--- Log opened Thu Jul 01 00:00:06 2021 --- Day changed Thu Jul 01 2021 2021-07-01T00:00:06 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T00:08:03 < Laurenceb> wew 2021-07-01T00:08:08 < Laurenceb> its using MDNS 2021-07-01T00:08:13 < Laurenceb> no wonder I couldnt make it work 2021-07-01T00:10:41 < Laurenceb> wew IGMP too 2021-07-01T00:10:50 < Laurenceb> all the services become evident with wireshark 2021-07-01T00:20:55 < fenugrec> if sound measurements are from 2 different mfgs, all bets are off 2021-07-01T00:24:46 < karlp> samemanufacturer. 2021-07-01T00:24:50 < karlp> different product in their lineup 2021-07-01T00:24:58 < karlp> wouldn't even try comparing otehrwise :) 2021-07-01T00:25:14 < karlp> hrm, summerhouse apparently has 5g coverage... 2021-07-01T00:25:35 < qyx> are you in au now? 2021-07-01T00:30:29 < karlp> no. still i.s 2021-07-01T00:30:31 < karlp> .is 2021-07-01T00:31:58 < fenugrec> .is.au.co.uk 2021-07-01T01:23:01 < GenTooMan> if the sound pressure is for a safety standard they have less leeway in how they do the testing. 2021-07-01T01:25:23 < GenTooMan> also they may have to have an outside lab do it, otherwise regulators will ask for the test results and give verification they did the testing correctly. 2021-07-01T01:25:56 < BrainDamage> iso9001 certification for SPL on pressure washers 2021-07-01T01:29:57 < GenTooMan> it's not uncommon for companies to get into big trouble over sound levels. They can lead to serious but not obvious problems. 2021-07-01T01:33:38 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-01T01:35:18 < zyp> karlp, dunno, I bought some variant of kärcher k7 with nice flexible hose and decent reel a few months ago 2021-07-01T01:35:31 < zyp> shit's nice, would buy again 2021-07-01T01:38:39 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-01T01:40:35 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T01:42:43 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T01:50:30 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-01T02:10:43 < qyx> hm, is it a sandongs adapter on that kaercher? 2021-07-01T02:11:14 < qyx> it even has an extension https://images.obi.sk/product/CZ/1500x813/108764_6.jpg 2021-07-01T02:11:49 < qyx> this https://images.obi.sk/product/CZ/1500x813/108764_3.jpg 2021-07-01T02:15:22 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-01T02:30:56 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T02:31:13 < Laurenceb> is there any way to search a network for DNS servers? 2021-07-01T03:00:30 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-01T03:00:43 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-01T03:06:17 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-01T03:08:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-01T03:09:39 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T03:10:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T03:14:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-01T03:16:28 < karlp> metasploit maybe. 2021-07-01T03:16:42 < karlp> you can try just randomly spamming dns queries to port 53 on anything you can find, 2021-07-01T03:16:55 < karlp> but, really, yhou need to speak to the grownup that's running your network. 2021-07-01T03:18:11 < karlp> it's https://www.bosch-diy.com/gb/en/p/easyaquatak-110-06008a7f00-v44173 vs https://www.bosch-diy.com/gb/en/p/universalaquatak-130-06008a7b00-v43709 here. 2021-07-01T03:18:31 < karlp> karcher "the yellow one" seems to to be the standard. but doesn't appear to be for sale here. 2021-07-01T03:18:39 < karlp> bosch or nilfisk it seems 2021-07-01T03:24:20 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-01T03:45:53 < englishman> im sure all the pumps come from the same chinese company super fancy pumping co. ltd. 2021-07-01T04:04:34 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T04:05:43 < qyx> I don't buy those green bosch consumer thingies 2021-07-01T04:06:00 < qyx> they don't endure much 2021-07-01T04:14:38 -!- colorado [~fluiD@66.186.209.60] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T04:14:45 -!- fluiD [~fluiD@66.186.209.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-01T04:17:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-01T04:19:23 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-01T04:32:27 -!- Miyu [~hackkitte@105-140-100-005.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T04:32:28 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@105-140-100-005.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-01T04:35:50 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T05:45:45 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-01T06:12:41 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-01T06:31:59 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T06:35:40 -!- rkta_ [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T06:35:42 -!- spacecadet [~fluiD@66.186.209.60] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T06:37:28 -!- colorado [~fluiD@66.186.209.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-01T06:37:29 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-01T06:37:35 -!- rkta_ is now known as rkta 2021-07-01T06:37:48 -!- Xogium_ [~Xogium@LuminaSensum/founder/Xogium] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T06:38:18 -!- Xogium [~Xogium@LuminaSensum/founder/Xogium] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-01T06:38:27 -!- Xogium_ is now known as Xogium 2021-07-01T06:44:50 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T07:04:04 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-01T07:19:37 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T07:21:52 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T07:49:06 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-01T08:19:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T08:24:04 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-01T09:05:11 -!- Miyu is now known as hackkitten 2021-07-01T09:23:59 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T09:24:30 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-01T10:00:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-01T10:13:42 < mawk> why do you need a kärcher qyx 2021-07-01T10:18:14 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-01T10:29:38 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-01T10:40:38 < Steffanx> Because its great. Its awesome. Mr mawk. 2021-07-01T10:41:05 < mawk> a little moss makes your terrace feels like the forest 2021-07-01T11:07:33 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T11:15:53 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-01T11:18:25 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T11:37:59 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T11:55:39 < zyp> karlp, one of my friends recently bought this and is apparently happy with it: https://www.clasohlson.com/no/Nilfisk-CORE-140-6-PowerControl-PCA-høytrykkspyler/p/41-4003 2021-07-01T12:06:03 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T12:18:35 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-01T12:20:38 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T12:20:41 < Laurenceb> the cringe is real 2021-07-01T12:20:42 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Simpson 2021-07-01T12:25:18 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T12:32:21 < karlp> zyp: thanks, but that one is about double what I was goign to spend, I guess I just have to suck it and see. not sure my demands ar every high anyway :) 2021-07-01T12:41:55 < karlp> right, so "new" (less than 6months) mouse has got a shitty wheel action already. 2021-07-01T12:57:58 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-166-38.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-01T12:58:09 < rajkosto> at least its not double clicking 2021-07-01T12:58:12 < rajkosto> like mine did in first 6 months 2021-07-01T12:58:14 < rajkosto> had to warranty it 2021-07-01T13:04:04 < ventYl> apparently new houses can be shit everywhere 2021-07-01T13:04:05 < karlp> TIL about magneto optic current transformers. 2021-07-01T13:04:12 < karlp> crazy stuff. 2021-07-01T13:07:12 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-166-38.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T13:39:26 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-166-38.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-01T13:45:27 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-166-38.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T14:05:00 < sync> karlp: a friend of mine made some of those, it's pretty neat 2021-07-01T14:05:18 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T14:05:18 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-01T14:05:18 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T14:25:49 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-01T14:27:15 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T14:27:39 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-01T14:31:05 < karlp> seems pretty niche though, apparently accuracy isn't that great, but the fact that it's all optical makes insulation "easy" for big station shits. 2021-07-01T15:22:56 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-166-38.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-01T15:28:38 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-01T15:37:45 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T15:46:49 -!- funky [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T15:48:21 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-01T15:53:31 -!- funky is now known as Streaker 2021-07-01T16:14:49 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-01T18:00:46 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T18:00:57 < bitmask> heyooof 2021-07-01T18:01:21 < Steffanx> Gooday 2021-07-01T18:01:31 < bitmask> how do you do sir 2021-07-01T18:11:18 < Steffanx> Meh. 2021-07-01T18:11:29 < Steffanx> Lpc/nxp is annoying me 2021-07-01T18:47:59 < PaulFertser> It was Philips too back then. 2021-07-01T18:48:09 < PaulFertser> Blame everybody 2021-07-01T18:48:26 < PaulFertser> Seriously, please share the story. 2021-07-01T19:05:15 < mawk> the dutch are always wrong 2021-07-01T19:05:33 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-01T19:21:38 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::7512] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T19:22:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-01T19:36:34 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@2a00:1028:83a6:10aa:21f:11ff:fe02:1846] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-01T19:36:50 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@2a00:1028:83a6:10aa:21f:11ff:fe02:1846] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T19:37:51 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T19:38:01 < Laurenceb> n00b question: how do I automate some code that uses scanf? 2021-07-01T19:38:13 < Laurenceb> printf ("%d\r\n",number); 2021-07-01T19:38:16 < Laurenceb> isnt working 2021-07-01T19:39:09 < mawk> are you sure it's not working? 2021-07-01T19:39:14 < mawk> it should definitely work 2021-07-01T19:39:20 < mawk> if you didn't mess with buffering 2021-07-01T19:39:32 < mawk> but just in case add a fflush(stdout); to be sure Laurenceb 2021-07-01T19:39:34 < mawk> just after 2021-07-01T19:39:39 < Laurenceb> oh shit yeah 2021-07-01T19:39:43 < Laurenceb> its methlab 2021-07-01T19:39:49 < Laurenceb> you always need to flush 2021-07-01T19:39:58 < mawk> because it's steaming shit? 2021-07-01T19:41:23 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-01T19:41:26 < Laurenceb> hmm still no luck 2021-07-01T19:41:35 < Laurenceb> its got to be methlab thats at fault 2021-07-01T19:45:26 < mawk> are you sure the \r is required Laurenceb 2021-07-01T19:45:29 < machinehum> Anyone here use... Buildroot? 2021-07-01T19:45:30 < mawk> remove that to see 2021-07-01T19:45:36 < mawk> I did once machinehum 2021-07-01T19:46:06 < machinehum> I quite like it 2021-07-01T19:46:12 < machinehum> Much better than yuckto 2021-07-01T19:46:18 < machinehum> shitbake 2021-07-01T19:56:59 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: I have to check more. But it seems the EMC(external memory controller) is always doing some burst reads (32bit) on my 16bit static memory interface, which is not ideal(read annoying overhead) 2021-07-01T19:57:39 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: what kind of part is that, a Cortex-M based MCU? 2021-07-01T19:57:47 < Steffanx> 2021-07-01T19:57:54 < Steffanx> You dont want to know. Its ooold. 2021-07-01T19:57:55 < PaulFertser> Are you running something big on it so that you need external memory? 2021-07-01T19:58:26 < PaulFertser> We tried some ARM7 LPC many years ago. Probably even with Ethernet MAC. Was working ok iirc. 2021-07-01T19:58:28 < Steffanx> It's an fpga connected to the interface ;) 2021-07-01T19:59:42 < Steffanx> This is an arm7tdmi. It works fine, but the read cycles are too long. The fgpa simply ignores the additional address change 2021-07-01T20:00:03 < Steffanx> I still have to re-read the datasheet to check if I'm missing something 2021-07-01T20:00:28 < Steffanx> But there is talk some newer lpc has a similar issue. Wouldnt be surprised if older ones have it too 2021-07-01T20:01:46 < Steffanx> https://community.nxp.com/t5/LPC-Microcontrollers/EMC-generates-double-read-cycles-for-static-chip-selects/m-p/526828 this .. 2021-07-01T20:03:55 < Steffanx> But it so old. I would expect some similar complaints 2021-07-01T20:04:05 < Steffanx> So I'll go back to the datasheet 😋 2021-07-01T20:04:41 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: if it's a new product you're developing why is the LPC chip so old? Or are you trying to teach an old dog new tricks? 2021-07-01T20:06:19 < Steffanx> Partially blame the one that picked the mcu. It's somen old product with precompiled libraries in an ancient gcc. So the easiest seemed to be going for some arm7(tdmi) again 2021-07-01T20:07:04 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: that thread is not encouraging indeed. 2021-07-01T20:07:05 < Steffanx> Lpc2468 is actually still manufactured :) 2021-07-01T20:07:29 < Steffanx> But lpc24xx is old so if it did something similar I would expect threads about it 2021-07-01T20:08:06 < PaulFertser> But it says using 32-bit mode with a 16-bit bus helps with the performance. 2021-07-01T20:08:37 < Steffanx> Yeah have to try that. But its for tomorrow. 2021-07-01T20:09:01 < sauce> oof 2021-07-01T20:09:21 < PaulFertser> The LPC1778/88 and LPC4088 (which are a different chip architecture) have an additional bit in the SYSCON block which blocks these additional unwanted reads. 2021-07-01T20:09:56 < Steffanx> Yeah I read that too 2021-07-01T20:11:24 < PaulFertser> "Without going into detail, I can only say that we have seen problems in previous MCU generations and we have done a patch on the memory interface IP block (coming from ARM). But unfortunately we did not take this patch over to the new Cortex generation." 2021-07-01T20:11:28 < PaulFertser> Brilliant 2021-07-01T20:13:04 < Steffanx> Yeah, especially the "previous mcu generations" made me "worried" 2021-07-01T20:13:52 < Steffanx> But fun... how they probably forgot patch the newer one 2021-07-01T20:15:47 < Steffanx> Unless I should read it like: we fixed it in the past, but forgot the fix in the future 2021-07-01T20:27:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T20:36:58 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T20:47:34 < upgrdman> does windows have an easy way to check if two files are identical? like hashing or someshit? they're big files... normally i'd use WinMerge but it seems to require files small enough to be mapped into memory :/ 2021-07-01T20:48:08 < karlp> I would _guess_ there's a hash function in powershell somewhere at least? 2021-07-01T20:52:22 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T20:55:55 < upgrdman> oh, cool 2021-07-01T20:55:56 < upgrdman> https://superuser.com/questions/245775/is-there-a-built-in-checksum-utility-on-windows-7/898377#898377 2021-07-01T20:58:21 < PaulFertser> there's "fc" command since DOS to compare two files 2021-07-01T21:00:42 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-01T21:01:09 < PaulFertser> And "comp" 2021-07-01T21:09:35 -!- Iryon [~Iryon@2a02:a31a:a045:3500:90e2:686f:e863:4359] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T22:24:35 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T22:24:40 < Laurenceb> me is failing at windowzer 2021-07-01T22:24:50 < Laurenceb> I just want to read a csv file in c :( 2021-07-01T22:26:09 < Laurenceb> if(getline ((char**)&line, &length, fidin) == EOF) 2021-07-01T22:26:10 < Laurenceb> break; 2021-07-01T22:26:10 < Laurenceb> printf("%s,",line); 2021-07-01T22:27:23 < PaulFertser> And? 2021-07-01T22:27:28 < Laurenceb> no data 2021-07-01T22:27:36 < Laurenceb> unless its all one one line inside the file 2021-07-01T22:27:44 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: wtf do you have that (char**) cast? 2021-07-01T22:27:46 < Laurenceb> really weird, I cant see how that could work 2021-07-01T22:28:04 < Laurenceb> PaulFerster: to stop gcc giving warnings 2021-07-01T22:28:33 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: you should be reading the warnings rather than hiding them. 2021-07-01T22:28:57 < Laurenceb> c:\mingw\include\stdio.h:650:1: note: expected 'char ** restrict' but argument is of type 'char (*)[(sizetype)(length)]' 2021-07-01T22:28:57 < Laurenceb> getline (char ** __restrict__, size_t * __restrict__, FILE * __restrict__); 2021-07-01T22:29:42 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: and how do you declare line? 2021-07-01T22:30:04 < Laurenceb> char line[length]; 2021-07-01T22:30:21 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: why are you using getline at all? Have you read its man page? 2021-07-01T22:30:26 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: some GNU function... 2021-07-01T22:30:44 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: why not fgets? 2021-07-01T22:31:17 < Laurenceb> no neat line delimiting 2021-07-01T22:31:24 < Laurenceb> hmm it does malloc I see now 2021-07-01T22:31:38 < Laurenceb> its supposed to work on windows with mingw 2021-07-01T22:31:46 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: char *line and that would just work.. 2021-07-01T22:31:56 < Laurenceb> k I'll try 2021-07-01T22:32:43 < PaulFertser> *line = NULL! 2021-07-01T22:33:28 < Laurenceb> yeah still fails 2021-07-01T22:33:54 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: even if you use example from man page verbatim? 2021-07-01T22:33:56 < Laurenceb> so weird how it runs for a single line in the file 2021-07-01T22:34:48 < Laurenceb> ah now it works 2021-07-01T22:34:51 < Laurenceb> oh i see 2021-07-01T22:34:57 < Laurenceb> with a single line it needed to realloc 2021-07-01T22:35:07 < Laurenceb> so it ignored the fact line wasnt null 2021-07-01T22:35:13 < Laurenceb> thanks for pointing that out 2021-07-01T22:41:35 < bitmask> alright i got my parts, now someone design me a piece that puts em all together 2021-07-01T22:41:35 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/9TgR7oa.png 2021-07-01T23:02:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T23:26:26 < Steffanx> Done. bitmask 2021-07-01T23:26:34 < bitmask> thanks 2021-07-01T23:26:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T23:31:31 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-01T23:49:30 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] --- Day changed Fri Jul 02 2021 2021-07-02T00:19:26 -!- Iryon [~Iryon@2a02:a31a:a045:3500:90e2:686f:e863:4359] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-02T00:25:37 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T00:28:55 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-02T00:28:55 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-02T00:38:31 < upgrdman> "i'm so excited, my new stm32 board should be delivered soon" ... checks stock on the f7 i need ... "FUCK. 53 week lead time, no one has stock" :/ 2021-07-02T00:38:58 < upgrdman> why couldn't covid kill off more people so there'd be less demand for ICs 2021-07-02T00:39:04 < Steffanx> Heh welcome to the club upgrdman 2021-07-02T00:39:08 < upgrdman> inorite 2021-07-02T00:39:20 < Steffanx> Buy some discovery boards and desolder the f7 you need 2021-07-02T00:39:57 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T00:40:10 < upgrdman> does the f7disco use the lqfp144 package? 2021-07-02T00:40:16 < Steffanx> Idk 2021-07-02T00:40:17 < upgrdman> i think i saw one but it was BGA 2021-07-02T00:41:08 < upgrdman> unrelated... did dongs die? i dont see him here or on freenode 2021-07-02T00:43:19 < karlp> he's on telegram, but yeah, freenode fractured shit 2021-07-02T00:43:46 < upgrdman> k 2021-07-02T00:45:47 < Steffanx> He's quite active there 2021-07-02T00:46:42 < karlp> yeah, cats are more tolerated, so he's happy 2021-07-02T00:47:36 < upgrdman> ive never use telegram. does it have ~channels ? 2021-07-02T00:48:38 < karlp> yeah 2021-07-02T00:51:20 < sauce> do join us 2021-07-02T00:55:39 < upgrdman> i'll look into it. guessing i have to use their app, or is their an IRC compat. layer? 2021-07-02T00:57:40 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-02T00:59:26 < karlp> not tht I'm aware of. 2021-07-02T00:59:40 < karlp> I went from having just irc a few years ago, to having discord, irc, telegram, teams. 2021-07-02T00:59:49 < karlp> had slack briefly, but it's gone now thankfully. 2021-07-02T00:59:54 < karlp> so happy to be in the future... 2021-07-02T01:00:50 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-02T01:22:51 < emeb> you can never have enough chat apps 2021-07-02T01:28:18 < BrainDamage> I tunnel everything through matrix so i can have a single program again 2021-07-02T01:31:56 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T01:31:59 < mouseghost> karlp, it made me thinking: why is it so that people never want to go away from places such as facebook etc because everyone is already there, but people want to go to places such as facebook, discord w/e? 2021-07-02T01:33:39 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T01:35:49 < BrainDamage> i can't parse your sentence 2021-07-02T01:37:37 < sauce> every platform has different designs and dynamics and people and communities have different needs so of course there is migration in multiple directions 2021-07-02T01:55:21 < englishman> what do you do on discord karlp 2021-07-02T01:55:35 < englishman> every "server" i've joined has been insufferable 2021-07-02T02:07:06 < mouseghost> BrainDamage, eh usual with my talk :( 2021-07-02T02:08:25 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-02T02:22:22 -!- yukam [~yukam@109-252-105-144.nat.spd-mgts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-02T02:29:02 -!- yukam [~yukam@109.252.105.106] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T02:34:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2021-07-02T02:52:56 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-02T02:59:18 < sauce> discord does have nice webrtc stuff 2021-07-02T03:36:04 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-02T04:07:48 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T04:16:53 -!- richbridger [~richbridg@213-225-32-103.nat.highway.a1.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T04:18:01 -!- aquijoule_ [~richbridg@213-225-32-103.nat.highway.a1.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-02T04:26:49 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-02T04:28:53 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-02T04:40:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-02T04:47:00 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-02T04:58:41 < aandrew> Yeah dickscord is awful 2021-07-02T05:09:12 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-02T05:27:36 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T05:28:30 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-02T05:33:23 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T05:45:54 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@2a00:1028:83a6:10aa:21f:11ff:fe02:1846] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-02T06:03:54 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-20-134.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T06:25:02 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-02T07:27:37 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-02T08:14:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2021-07-02T09:29:34 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T09:30:03 < kakium69> hello friendium 2021-07-02T09:35:26 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T09:37:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T10:01:16 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-02T10:35:36 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T11:11:46 < Steffanx> So PaulFertser . There was a bit to disable the burst read. A bit not mentioned in the relevant chapter. Yay. 2021-07-02T11:12:13 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: where was it mentioned, in the register description? 2021-07-02T11:16:43 < Steffanx> System control... just like the M3s mentioned on the nxp forum 2021-07-02T11:28:08 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T11:28:21 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T12:03:00 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T12:03:05 < Laurenceb> Conductor we have a problem 2021-07-02T12:03:34 < Laurenceb> tfw my PhD supervisor is being investigated in connection with premature babby deaths 2021-07-02T12:04:09 < specing> LOL 2021-07-02T12:04:19 < specing> babby shaked too hard maybe 2021-07-02T12:04:22 < Laurenceb> when u are forever cursed by the name on ur thesis 2021-07-02T12:05:38 < Laurenceb> negligence not murder 2021-07-02T12:05:45 < Laurenceb> so that makes it fine r-right 2021-07-02T12:19:50 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-02T12:21:53 < karlp> I dunno about awful, it's just ~same as telegram or slack really. I don't really see any meaningful pros or cons if you're just using it for chat. 2021-07-02T12:25:55 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T12:29:12 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-02T12:29:12 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-02T12:37:12 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: cool, so forum helped in the end :) 2021-07-02T12:37:49 < PaulFertser> kakium69: hey kaki? You got a 600cc bike now? 2021-07-02T12:41:41 < karlp> ventYl: did you see new g0's with two can-fd periphs? 2021-07-02T12:54:51 < ventYl> karlp: not yet. two periphs means two ports, or two completely distinct canfd blocks? 2021-07-02T12:57:17 * karlp shrugs 2021-07-02T12:57:43 < karlp> last day of work today, menat to be writing up some memoirs for when I come back, not looking at can shit I don't use :) 2021-07-02T13:00:51 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-02T13:13:40 < qyx> we can check if they become available sooner than 2025 by any chance 2021-07-02T13:18:58 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T13:18:58 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-02T13:18:58 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T13:22:29 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T14:16:09 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-02T14:33:52 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T14:45:16 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-02T14:46:04 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T14:51:54 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T15:22:30 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-02T15:25:52 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T15:54:38 < mawk> what did eh do Laurenceb 2021-07-02T15:58:10 < Laurenceb> mawk: negligence causing babby deaths 2021-07-02T16:00:29 < mawk> yes but what kind 2021-07-02T16:00:32 < mawk> I want the details 2021-07-02T16:09:00 < englishman> personally shaking babbies to justify millions of gbp in babbyshake research 2021-07-02T16:09:19 < mawk> lol 2021-07-02T16:24:21 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-02T16:32:50 -!- fbrx [~fbrx@user/fbrx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T16:36:03 -!- yukam [~yukam@109.252.105.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-02T16:43:01 -!- yukam [~yukam@109-252-105-106.nat.spd-mgts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T17:01:18 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T17:11:37 < qyx> lol 2021-07-02T17:13:45 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-02T17:21:42 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-02T17:24:45 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T17:28:02 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T17:33:05 -!- av500 [~av500@dslb-090-186-173-222.090.186.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T17:45:44 -!- eszett [~John@dslb-084-058-070-251.084.058.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T17:46:10 -!- eszett [~John@dslb-084-058-070-251.084.058.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has left ##stm32 [Leaving] 2021-07-02T17:47:57 -!- lemmi [~lemmi@user/lemmi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T17:48:13 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-02T17:52:21 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T17:54:18 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-02T18:03:46 -!- bitrot [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T18:05:23 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T18:07:53 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-02T18:08:22 -!- bitrot [~rajkosto@cable-178-149-127-189.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-02T18:14:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T18:29:53 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-02T18:32:51 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-02T18:33:20 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T18:39:21 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-02T18:45:53 < Laurenceb> I have watched some of my friends and family fall to Extremism, it is a sad and powerless experience. They often may have a tenancy towards using GNU applications, and especially emacs. However over time, they get fixated on that topic, and they spend so much of their time thinking on proving that they are right, that you can no longer rationally 2021-07-02T18:45:54 < Laurenceb> explain to them that they have gone to an unhealthy level, and worse they will start to see you no longer as a friend or at least helpful member of your family, to the enemy, because in their point of view you are the one who has gone so far. 2021-07-02T18:45:54 < Laurenceb> Normally I will either de-friend of block them just because they have became so Toxic, which I really don't want to do, because I do want to help them, but I am unable to help, and blocking them is the easiest solution. 2021-07-02T18:45:55 < Laurenceb> Having a way to report that you are worried about that person to Facebook so that they can use that persons information to determine what are they statistically going to do where, and where their ideas are being influenced, it could allow better control of the extremist information from propagating up to be so common. It can only be a good thing, 2021-07-02T18:45:55 < Laurenceb> Facebook can protect us from more extremists like RMS. 2021-07-02T18:49:20 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-02T18:52:28 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: do you want to hear real news about what russian foreign affairs minister said recently? 2021-07-02T18:52:48 < Laurenceb> nope? 2021-07-02T18:52:53 < Laurenceb> go on then 2021-07-02T18:53:03 < PaulFertser> They're about as absurd as your fake news. 2021-07-02T18:53:58 < PaulFertser> He claimed that "the West" is trying to split up the "worldwide orthodox community" by teaching kids in schools that Jesus Christ was bisexual. 2021-07-02T18:57:47 < PaulFertser> https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4877702 2021-07-02T18:58:40 < aandrew> hahaha 2021-07-02T19:03:28 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-02T19:16:04 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-02T19:26:31 -!- fbrx [~fbrx@user/fbrx] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-02T19:30:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T19:38:43 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-02T19:39:07 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T20:51:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-02T20:55:36 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T21:04:03 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T21:36:31 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T21:44:44 -!- Helmholtz1 [~Helmholtz@user/helmholtz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T22:00:01 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T22:07:57 -!- Miyu [~hackkitte@227-138-165-046.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T22:08:35 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@105-140-100-005.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-02T22:10:37 -!- Miyu is now known as hackkitten 2021-07-02T22:30:32 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-02T22:49:57 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-02T23:03:27 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T23:10:16 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-02T23:10:22 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T23:14:23 -!- bitrot [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T23:17:42 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-02T23:20:07 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T23:21:13 -!- bitrot [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-02T23:23:22 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T23:23:35 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-02T23:26:46 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-188-243.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-02T23:31:41 < mawk> >The concept of "rules" is also manifested in an attack not only on international law, but also on human nature itself. In schools in a number of Western countries, children are convinced as part of their curriculum that Jesus Christ was bisexual. 2021-07-02T23:32:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T23:34:04 < PaulFertser> mawk: this story has a somewhat interesting addendum: after the public expressed their surprise and demanded some proofs from Lavrov the official FO spokeswomen gave a link to a modern play performed in one of schools where a topic of "Christ coming to Earth again; this time in a body of trans-woman" was explored. 2021-07-02T23:34:14 < bitmask> hmm, what radiation source should I buy? I'm thinking something tame like thoriated welding rods and uranium glass beads 2021-07-02T23:34:30 < PaulFertser> Foreign Affairs Ministry I meant 2021-07-02T23:34:41 < PaulFertser> bitmask: for what purpose? 2021-07-02T23:34:50 < bitmask> cloud chamber 2021-07-02T23:34:52 < BrainDamage> perhaps we should starting to do that 2021-07-02T23:35:09 < BrainDamage> I bet both christians and orthodox would be pissed off 2021-07-02T23:35:18 < BrainDamage> it's a win win in my book 2021-07-02T23:35:27 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T23:35:37 < BrainDamage> bitmask: chose a alpha or beta emitter 2021-07-02T23:36:10 < mawk> PaulFertser: "in school>s< in a >number< of western countries" 2021-07-02T23:36:13 < mawk> I want more examples 2021-07-02T23:36:13 < bitmask> tritium is mostly all beta so i may get a vial of that 2021-07-02T23:36:23 < PaulFertser> Don't you want to make your chamber sensitive enough for catching cosmic rays? 2021-07-02T23:37:44 < PaulFertser> mawk: there's also a humurous tik-tok video from AU telling a joke about a child telling mom that Christ loved everybody (hence was bisexual) and weared a dress (so also queer/transgender/whomever). 2021-07-02T23:37:46 < bitmask> i dont know how well its gonna work, if i made it bigger (using a condenser or something) I would be better off, but peltier limits me 2021-07-02T23:38:22 < bitmask> i still havent done a temp check to see if its gonna get cold enough for my 10cm sqare copper plate 2021-07-02T23:38:24 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: "christians and orthodox" :D 2021-07-02T23:38:25 < BrainDamage> you can use more than a single peltier, can't you? 2021-07-02T23:38:41 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: yep, that was intentional 2021-07-02T23:38:48 < BrainDamage> just another jab 2021-07-02T23:38:49 < bitmask> sure but 4 seems like a lot 2021-07-02T23:38:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-02T23:39:17 < mawk> stack 50 peltier device together bitmask 2021-07-02T23:39:25 < BrainDamage> you can also use a metal plate, but ofc you'll still need to pump more heat to make up for i 2021-07-02T23:39:28 < mawk> then each peltier only has to deal with the difference temperature between its neighbors 2021-07-02T23:39:34 < mawk> and you can get below absolute zero 2021-07-02T23:39:36 < mawk> 100% guaranteed 2021-07-02T23:39:36 < bitmask> I'm using a copper plate 2021-07-02T23:39:55 < BrainDamage> how are you insulating the chamber? 2021-07-02T23:40:05 < PaulFertser> If you need to cool something in lab conditions probably using a traditional fridge is easier and cheaper. 2021-07-02T23:40:46 < bitmask> I'm using packing foam where I can but its mostly open except for the glass bell jar 2021-07-02T23:41:28 < BrainDamage> yeah, that's not good, try to change shape, eg a square box with a double glass plate 2021-07-02T23:41:42 < BrainDamage> the box can be of a material that insulates well 2021-07-02T23:41:56 < BrainDamage> and this way you can isolate everything but the window 2021-07-02T23:41:58 < bitmask> i might be fine, i havent run any tests yet 2021-07-02T23:42:23 < BrainDamage> then why are you talking about more peltiers? :P 2021-07-02T23:42:32 < bitmask> just running it the peltier got to -35C which is plenty 2021-07-02T23:42:44 < bitmask> BrainDamage I wasnt the one to bring it up :P 2021-07-02T23:44:15 < bitmask> it was hot in the room at the time of that test too, im not sure how much the copper plate is going to affect it though --- Day changed Sat Jul 03 2021 2021-07-03T00:03:50 -!- Helmholtz2 [Helmholtz@user/helmholtz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T00:06:38 -!- Helmholtz1 [~Helmholtz@user/helmholtz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-03T00:21:57 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T00:26:43 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T00:29:26 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-03T00:29:26 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-03T00:29:52 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T00:41:48 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-03T00:42:36 -!- esden [sid32455@id-32455.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-03T00:44:07 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-03T00:46:45 -!- Helmholtz2 [Helmholtz@user/helmholtz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-03T00:53:35 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T00:53:54 -!- esden [sid32455@id-32455.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T01:01:46 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-03T01:09:09 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T01:11:39 -!- rektide_ [~rektide@eldergods.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-03T01:20:42 < kakium69> nightium 2021-07-03T01:24:20 -!- yukam [~yukam@109-252-105-106.nat.spd-mgts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-03T01:28:51 -!- yukam [~yukam@109-252-105-66.nat.spd-mgts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T01:52:48 -!- yukam [~yukam@109-252-105-66.nat.spd-mgts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-03T02:06:18 < qyx> https://www.analog.com/media/en/training-seminars/design-handbooks/Software-Defined-Radio-for-Engineers-2018/SDR4Engineers.pdf 2021-07-03T02:06:30 < qyx> looks usefuil 2021-07-03T02:20:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-03T03:01:04 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-03T03:01:40 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-03T03:06:18 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-03T03:16:30 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T03:28:59 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-03T03:44:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-03T03:45:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T04:01:08 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-03T04:19:36 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T04:35:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-03T05:12:36 < bitmask> wtf, i just found a cloud chamber build thats so close to mine its scary 2021-07-03T05:40:50 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T05:49:36 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T05:52:04 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-03T07:10:29 -!- yukam [~yukam@109.252.105.45] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T07:31:40 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-03T07:36:12 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T07:37:57 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-03T08:27:36 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-03T08:35:36 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T08:50:33 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-03T09:52:12 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Half the things you want aren't implemented for the F1 2021-07-03T15:21:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> Like, there is no interface to the timers 2021-07-03T15:39:10 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T15:39:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> I think I'll give up on zephyr 2021-07-03T15:40:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> Maybe I'll try NuttX, Azure/ThreadX, or Chibi 2021-07-03T15:42:11 < Laurenceb> >Azure wut 2021-07-03T15:42:29 < Laurenceb> >microsoft cloud on stm32 2021-07-03T15:42:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/rtos/#components 2021-07-03T15:42:34 < Laurenceb> lmao 2021-07-03T15:43:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah, like, they couldn't think of another name? 2021-07-03T15:44:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> But yeah, either have your HAL be complete, or give me an easy way to drop back down and do it myself 2021-07-03T15:52:19 < englishman> does microsoft let you rent compute time on a stm32f1 2021-07-03T15:58:32 -!- yukam [~yukam@109.252.105.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-03T16:01:32 < mouseghost> Jak_o_Shadows, just use github copilot and get the code for free duh 2021-07-03T16:03:18 < Jak_o_Shadows> I am 100% sure that is not going to work 2021-07-03T16:03:40 -!- yukam [~yukam@109.252.105.162] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T16:04:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm about 75% of the way to giving up and falling back to loc3 2021-07-03T16:05:04 < mouseghost> whats loc3? 2021-07-03T16:05:06 < mouseghost> ahh 2021-07-03T16:05:08 < mouseghost> libopencm3 2021-07-03T16:05:30 < fenugrec> locm3 != rtos... 2021-07-03T16:06:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> No, but the RTOS part was just as much for the learning process 2021-07-03T16:06:48 < Jak_o_Shadows> and well, RTOS' for the F1 that include a HAL? A little rare 2021-07-03T16:07:53 < fenugrec> wtf, freertos was bought by amazon ? when 2021-07-03T16:08:56 < Steffanx> Ages ago 2021-07-03T16:09:06 < fenugrec> news trickles slow under this rock 2021-07-03T16:09:49 < mawk> like 2 years 2021-07-03T16:10:13 < fenugrec> what else, has ST acquired the msp430 division 2021-07-03T16:10:29 < mawk> almost 2021-07-03T16:15:02 < Jak_o_Shadows> Hmm, Apache MyNewt seems to use STMCube 2021-07-03T16:24:44 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:f9c6:f78f:6dd2:580b] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-03T16:28:13 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:206d:ec8:e20c:9c7c] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T16:32:36 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T16:50:51 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T16:56:38 < Steffanx> msp420 is hot 2021-07-03T17:02:22 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T17:11:58 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak_o_Sha@61-245-149-204.3df595.adl.nbn.aussiebb.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-03T17:16:52 -!- Helmholtz1 [Helmholtz@user/helmholtz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T17:17:28 < Helmholtz1> Do you use structured formats like json,MessagePack in your embedded development? 2021-07-03T17:17:37 < Helmholtz1> Like json over UART or Protobuf over BLE? 2021-07-03T17:34:19 < Sadale> I've seen that 2021-07-03T17:34:33 < Sadale> I've seen json 2021-07-03T17:35:17 < Sadale> I think I've seen another message serialization as well. It's a binary one. I couldn't remember if it's messagepack tho 2021-07-03T17:42:13 < Helmholtz1> Sadale, CBOR? 2021-07-03T17:42:46 < Sadale> Helmholtz1, oh. that could be it. It's been a few years ago so I'm not entirely sure. 2021-07-03T17:43:09 < Sadale> Anyway I've seen json over UART. 2021-07-03T17:43:45 < Streaker> gross 2021-07-03T17:44:00 < Sadale> I think that json message parsing on lower end microcontroller could consume a lot of resources tho. And I wouldn't recommend that unless you absolutely have to. 2021-07-03T17:44:10 < Sadale> gross? Doesn't matter. I got paid to do that xD 2021-07-03T17:44:24 < Helmholtz1> Sadale, Yeah that's kinda the reason d'eter of MessagePack 2021-07-03T17:44:36 < Helmholtz1> It's between json and ProtocolBuffers 2021-07-03T17:44:48 < Helmholtz1> But I've only seen raw C struct passing or sprintf 2021-07-03T17:44:58 < Helmholtz1> I wonder why these stuff are not used commonly 2021-07-03T17:52:41 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T17:53:18 < R2COM> yo 2021-07-03T17:55:23 -!- Helmholtz1 [Helmholtz@user/helmholtz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-03T17:58:44 -!- funky [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T18:00:32 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-03T18:00:44 -!- funky is now known as Streaker 2021-07-03T18:43:27 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-03T19:21:30 < qyx> helI use protobuf 2021-07-03T19:57:44 < mouseghost> qyx, hmm? 2021-07-03T19:58:02 < mouseghost> oh, that was re helm 2021-07-03T20:08:40 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-03T20:43:01 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T21:01:19 < BrainDamage> englishman: got that spectrum analyzer, it's quite nice 2021-07-03T21:01:31 < BrainDamage> the fancy audio vfd 2021-07-03T21:01:39 < englishman> cool! 2021-07-03T21:11:46 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-03T21:25:42 < bitmask> I think I went a little crazy ordering radioactive sources 2021-07-03T21:26:16 < BrainDamage> radioactive bitscout 2021-07-03T21:26:59 < bitmask> americium from a smoke detector, fiestaware with uranium oxide, uranium glass beads, thoriated tig welding rods 2021-07-03T21:27:51 < BrainDamage> you can extract thorium from lantern mantles 2021-07-03T21:28:10 < bitmask> yea i know but they are big and not worth the hassle 2021-07-03T21:28:13 < BrainDamage> you need to heat them up in presence of lithium 2021-07-03T21:29:54 < bitmask> smoke detector is almost purely alpha particles, i forget what thorium and uranium emit but im sure some combination, not sure if I should get a purely beta emitter like tritium 2021-07-03T21:30:45 < BrainDamage> the element by itself will emit a single particle, thing is, once it decays into something else, that something else can also be in turn radioactive 2021-07-03T21:30:57 < BrainDamage> that's called a decay chain 2021-07-03T21:31:36 < Xogium> can I ask why you bought all of that ? Curiosity on my part hehe 2021-07-03T21:31:39 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-03T21:32:32 < bitmask> yea true, wasnt thinking about that, but some things like americium are very slow to decay and the next step in the decay chain is pretty stable having a half life of hundreds of years 2021-07-03T21:32:50 < bitmask> Xogium I'm building a cloud chamber 2021-07-03T21:33:03 < Xogium> what is that ? 2021-07-03T21:33:37 < BrainDamage> like a foggy day, but confined to a box 2021-07-03T21:33:52 < bitmask> you get a plate on the base to at least -25C and then get alcohol vapor super saturated on top of it, it makes alpha and beta particles visible 2021-07-03T21:33:54 < BrainDamage> radiation passing through it leaves visible trails 2021-07-03T21:33:55 < bitmask> you can see trails 2021-07-03T21:34:40 < bitmask> so you can see normal background radiation occasionally but if you put in a radioactive source you see a lot more activity 2021-07-03T21:37:10 < bitmask> i didnt realize radon could be a problem but I think my tiny collection is safe 2021-07-03T21:38:36 < BrainDamage> just don't leave it in your bedroom 2021-07-03T21:38:43 < bitmask> in the attic it goes 2021-07-03T21:39:20 < bitmask> i wish geiger counters were cheaper 2021-07-03T21:39:42 < bitmask> cant justify the cost for just my little collection 2021-07-03T21:40:07 < Xogium> hmm 2021-07-03T21:40:11 < BrainDamage> you can get a used one for 20-30 bucks 2021-07-03T21:40:14 < Xogium> that sounds like a nice project 2021-07-03T21:40:22 < BrainDamage> the question is if it's calibrated 2021-07-03T21:40:58 < bitmask> true but its probably fine if you test normal background radiation and go from there 2021-07-03T21:41:08 < bitmask> not like it needs to be accurate for this 2021-07-03T21:41:19 < bitmask> any increase will tell you what you need to know 2021-07-03T21:41:21 < BrainDamage> also, ion chambers are easy to diy 2021-07-03T21:41:56 < BrainDamage> you're assuming the geiger counter is sufficiently sensitive to read background, not all are 2021-07-03T21:42:13 < BrainDamage> on top of that, they aren't sensitive to all types of energies and radiations 2021-07-03T21:42:28 < BrainDamage> eg alpha will hardly pass through the glass bulb 2021-07-03T21:42:40 < BrainDamage> and for beta they need special windows 2021-07-03T21:43:02 < BrainDamage> and even there, not all energies are the same 2021-07-03T21:43:03 < bitmask> yea most cheaper ones dont read alpha, but beta and gamma are the only ones i care about 2021-07-03T21:43:28 < bitmask> though i dont know if beta can get through any thickness of lead 2021-07-03T21:43:47 < BrainDamage> no, it get stopped easily by any metal 2021-07-03T21:44:01 < BrainDamage> even al foil 2021-07-03T21:44:03 < bitmask> so its just gamma im worried about and i dont think my sources are really an issue 2021-07-03T21:44:17 < bitmask> i bought a sheet of lead foil to line a container 2021-07-03T21:44:54 < bitmask> i wanna print a container so i can hide the lead between layers so i dont have to worry about touching it, although id be washing my hands because of the radiation sources anyway and wearing gloves 2021-07-03T21:45:07 < Xogium> gama is down right nasty as you need a tery thick enclosure made of concret to even begin blocking 2021-07-03T21:45:22 < Xogium> *very 2021-07-03T21:46:12 < BrainDamage> if the uranium is embedded in glass you won't have particular problems 2021-07-03T21:46:20 < BrainDamage> it's pretty well locked there 2021-07-03T21:46:58 < bitmask> yea the uranium glass beads are the worst source, most alpha particles are blocked by the glass and theres low activity 2021-07-03T21:48:21 < bitmask> the only source i ordered that could cause problems with crumbling and creating dust is the broken shard of fiestaware, i wonder if coating it in a thin layer of epoxy would be a good idea 2021-07-03T21:48:36 < BrainDamage> if you shine uv you can get it to glow green 2021-07-03T21:48:41 < bitmask> yup 2021-07-03T21:48:47 < BrainDamage> that's where the movie stereotype comes from 2021-07-03T21:50:22 < bitmask> why are all soft iron rods so thick 2021-07-03T21:50:37 < bitmask> i want one thats like 1-2mm diameter and most are 3-5 2021-07-03T22:10:27 < Steffanx> Roll it to 1-2mm 2021-07-03T22:11:20 < Steffanx> What fancy vfd did BrainDamage get? 2021-07-03T22:11:42 < Steffanx> I recall something, but not if it were here or telegrams -_- 2021-07-03T22:13:54 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-03T22:16:23 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T22:17:50 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-03T23:04:44 < BrainDamage> https://www.nobsound.ltd/metal-vfd-clock-music-spectrum-display-dot-matrix-sound-level-indicator-vu-meter-p2890891.html 2021-07-03T23:09:42 < bitmask> hmm, my humira is arriving a day late, that shouldnt matter... i hope 2021-07-03T23:10:38 < bitmask> thats a neat display 2021-07-03T23:14:07 < kakium69> hello earlium 2021-07-03T23:15:52 < PaulFertser> kakium69: hi. Did you get a new bike? 2021-07-03T23:16:09 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-03T23:16:14 < kakium69> same moped again 2021-07-03T23:16:21 < kakium69> yzf-r6 2021-07-03T23:16:38 < kakium69> this one in good condition 2021-07-03T23:16:50 < englishman> thats not really a moped is it 2021-07-03T23:16:57 < englishman> theres no ped 2021-07-03T23:17:17 < PaulFertser> kakium69: congrats :) You really like plastic ;) 2021-07-03T23:17:45 < kakium69> I like what the bike gets me for my euro 2021-07-03T23:17:59 < kakium69> it gets many things 2021-07-03T23:18:00 < englishman> there is a company that imports urals here but they are crazy money 2021-07-03T23:18:56 < englishman> very nice bike there kaks 2021-07-03T23:19:46 < PaulFertser> kakium69: but in what cases is it better for you than a similar naked bike? 2021-07-03T23:19:55 < PaulFertser> kakium69: also, does it have ABS? 2021-07-03T23:20:00 < kakium69> I have concluded that all desirable motorcycle models have got 20% more expensive as used this summer 2021-07-03T23:21:02 < PaulFertser> kakium69: and what about fz8 or similar, why do you prefer r6, when does it excel? 2021-07-03T23:21:34 < kakium69> PaulFertser: 1) air interference driving over 80kmh 2) better handling on twisted roads 3) better braking distances 2021-07-03T23:21:37 < bitmask> hmm, buna-n rubber has a temp limit of -37C, hope its ok being at that limit 2021-07-03T23:21:59 < kakium69> 4) better factory look - no sodomy visible 2021-07-03T23:22:27 < kakium69> ofc naked can be nice but 90% it's just sodomized from dropped bike 2021-07-03T23:22:52 < kakium69> 90% of time 2021-07-03T23:23:45 < kakium69> fz8 seems to be triple the price of my moped PaulFertser.. there is no comparison 2021-07-03T23:23:58 < kakium69> I mean the cheapest used ones 2021-07-03T23:24:05 < PaulFertser> kakium69: what year did you get? With/without ABS? What options? 2021-07-03T23:24:25 < kakium69> "my finger is ABS kekekeke" 2021-07-03T23:24:35 < PaulFertser> I take it as no :( 2021-07-03T23:24:53 < kakium69> it's from 2000s what to expect? 2021-07-03T23:25:16 < PaulFertser> kakium69: btw, do I get it right that in normal conditions it's more likely to do stoppie rather than skid the front when braking? 2021-07-03T23:25:44 < kakium69> sure 2021-07-03T23:26:34 < kakium69> or you lose composure before stoppie as you were not propperly seated 2021-07-03T23:26:57 < kakium69> and lose control 2021-07-03T23:27:37 < PaulFertser> Please be careful kakium69 . I knew someone who had the same model... 2021-07-03T23:28:02 < kakium69> and he swore by the specific model? 2021-07-03T23:28:09 < kakium69> the bestest 2021-07-03T23:28:42 < PaulFertser> iirc he had it for many years 2021-07-03T23:29:17 < bitmask> hmm, can you drill through rubber? :P 2021-07-03T23:29:58 < kakium69> PaulFertser: it's that good.. he had it for years! 2021-07-03T23:30:26 < kakium69> it's the analog experience 2021-07-03T23:31:05 < kakium69> PaulFertser: so what happend? 2021-07-03T23:31:06 < PaulFertser> Guess it was good while it lasted, yes. 2021-07-03T23:32:34 < kakium69> city traffic or countryside road? 2021-07-03T23:33:28 < PaulFertser> kakium69: nighttime city riding, car doing a u-turn or something, speed too high or brakes working not exactly perfect, crash, death. Full stop. 2021-07-03T23:33:40 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-03T23:34:11 < kakium69> the case of vehicle violating right of way 2021-07-03T23:35:18 < kakium69> it's a bitch 2021-07-03T23:35:27 < PaulFertser> You have to take into account that car drivers can not imagine how you can do 0--100 in 3.5 seconds without switching from the 1st. 2021-07-03T23:36:05 < kakium69> and I always do 2021-07-03T23:36:07 < kakium69> every time 2021-07-03T23:37:40 < kakium69> I wonder if the dual headlight is dangerous 2021-07-03T23:38:09 < kakium69> you could imagine it being a car maybe.. 2021-07-03T23:42:03 < kakium69> I dont drive like crazy in dark though 2021-07-03T23:42:16 < kakium69> too much wildlife 2021-07-03T23:42:26 < kakium69> and some wont fit under front tyre 2021-07-03T23:47:50 < kakium69> I'm sorry for what happend to your friend PaulFertser 2021-07-03T23:48:15 < PaulFertser> kakium69: he was a friend of a friend, but it's still a loss. 2021-07-03T23:48:29 < kakium69> was it recently or years back? 2021-07-03T23:48:38 < PaulFertser> 3 years back 2021-07-03T23:51:48 < PaulFertser> kakium69: https://vk.com/motomsk_dtp?w=wall-88151910_71356 2021-07-03T23:54:27 < kakium69> translations are just cryptic 2021-07-03T23:54:37 < kakium69> do not pay, but pump out 2021-07-03T23:54:41 < kakium69> last line 2021-07-03T23:56:23 < kakium69> you bet PaulFertser there are these news for any type of motorcycle and any model 2021-07-03T23:56:35 < kakium69> but biased towards sportbikes ofc 2021-07-03T23:58:21 < PaulFertser> kakium69: yes, https://bikepost.ru/memory/ --- Day changed Sun Jul 04 2021 2021-07-04T00:04:03 < kakium69> heck.. some of them have youtubes videos 2021-07-04T00:04:16 < kakium69> because of 100% dashcam coverage 2021-07-04T00:11:52 < kakium69> PaulFertser: none of my friends have sport bike anymore 2021-07-04T00:13:29 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-04T00:14:02 < PaulFertser> kakium69: that's probably a good thing. 2021-07-04T00:14:35 < kakium69> one used to get to work hitting rev limiter 2021-07-04T00:14:54 < kakium69> I think he had couple close calls and called quits 2021-07-04T00:15:26 < kakium69> +250kmh between car lines 2021-07-04T00:17:21 < kakium69> another one drove +300kmh for casual fun 2021-07-04T00:19:28 < kakium69> 1000cc 2021-07-04T00:19:42 < kakium69> actually they road raced or something 2021-07-04T00:20:24 < kakium69> it just seems to follow the pattern that once you are hooked you cannot roll back throttle 2021-07-04T00:22:55 < kakium69> he escaped the hobby without dying too 2021-07-04T00:23:49 < PaulFertser> Fahrenheit 451 describes speeding behaviour with probably similar motivation. 2021-07-04T00:26:13 < kakium69> adrenaline is helluva drug 2021-07-04T00:28:58 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-04T00:29:27 < kakium69> when I was 18 I got big boi motorcycle licence upgrade automatically 2021-07-04T00:29:39 < kakium69> wait no.. 20 2021-07-04T00:29:58 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T00:30:08 < kakium69> 18 was A2 2021-07-04T00:30:19 < kakium69> 20 was A 2021-07-04T00:30:51 < kakium69> now you need to have like driving schools for every step 2021-07-04T00:41:01 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T00:41:51 < PaulFertser> When I was getting mine it was A right away, 16 y.o. No city traffic exam too (there still isn't). 2021-07-04T00:42:37 < kakium69> hmm 2021-07-04T00:42:46 < kakium69> 16yo can ride 1000cc? 2021-07-04T00:43:04 < PaulFertser> 20 years ago, yes. 2021-07-04T00:43:22 < kakium69> what could go wrong 2021-07-04T00:43:55 < PaulFertser> Now -- no, you're limited to 125 cc 25 hp or some such till you're 18 y.o. when you need to pass the same exam but on a bigger bike (150 cc is enough). 2021-07-04T00:44:11 < PaulFertser> If you're 18 y.o. you can get A right away no matter if you had A1 before or not. 2021-07-04T00:44:27 < kakium69> in here in 90s or so you could still get A by just asking to add it to your licence 2021-07-04T00:44:44 < kakium69> or it was even automatically added with automobile licence 2021-07-04T00:44:59 < PaulFertser> M is added here this way now. 2021-07-04T00:45:22 < kakium69> my granma could ride hayabusa all day long - legally 2021-07-04T00:45:43 < kakium69> she has never driven a motorcycle 2021-07-04T00:46:48 < kakium69> usually grandmas don't have urge to get 1300cc 2021-07-04T00:51:32 < kakium69> one problem is that people who have last experience from 2wheels from 50cc in 70s or 60s get big tourer bike 2021-07-04T00:52:20 < kakium69> I think most of people are sensible and take voluntary courses and intermediate steps 2021-07-04T02:24:18 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T03:41:30 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T03:58:28 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-04T04:01:23 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T04:21:46 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-04T05:13:59 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak_o_Sha@61-245-149-204.3df595.adl.nbn.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T05:18:28 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak_o_Sha@61-245-149-204.3df595.adl.nbn.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-04T05:19:08 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak_o_Sha@61-245-149-204.3df595.adl.nbn.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T05:21:06 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak_o_Sha@61-245-149-204.3df595.adl.nbn.aussiebb.net] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-04T05:21:06 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak_o_Sha@user/jak-o-shadows/x-5091859] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T05:31:45 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-04T06:49:54 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-04T06:57:53 < bitmask> this is annoying, most standoffs have a male thread of 6mm and i need 8mm, looks like im gonna have to get a double female standoff and a 12mm or so grub screw, screw that into the standoff to get a 8mm or so male thread 2021-07-04T07:01:57 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T07:02:35 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-04T07:11:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T07:12:25 < upgrdman> anyone have a favorite RELIABLE bluetooth uart? hc05/hc06 work for me, but cut out often and require disconnect/reconnect to regain communication :/ 2021-07-04T07:12:39 < upgrdman> bonus points if it supports high-ish baud rates 2021-07-04T07:21:55 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-04T08:33:56 < R2COM1> *reliable* 2021-07-04T08:33:59 < R2COM1> *bluetooth* 2021-07-04T08:34:11 < R2COM1> how reliable...trusting life? 2021-07-04T09:37:57 < upgrdman> R2COM1, no, just something that doesnt require reconnecting often 2021-07-04T09:41:32 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-04T09:55:39 < upgrdman> fuck. found part of my problem. voltage was browning out when some motors were turning on, and the hc05 was sensitive enough to reset when that happens (but mcu and imu were fine) 2021-07-04T09:56:05 < upgrdman> turns out my battery pack was worn the fuck out. 2021-07-04T10:08:27 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-04T10:19:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-04T12:00:55 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T12:04:11 < Sadale> congratz on figuring out what's wrong :) 2021-07-04T12:27:15 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T12:29:44 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-04T12:29:44 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-04T13:01:00 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@227-138-165-046.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-04T13:03:40 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@116-129-165-046.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T13:14:25 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@116-129-165-046.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-04T13:15:33 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@050-183-165-046.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T13:23:32 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Jak_o_Sha@user/jak-o-shadows/x-5091859] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-04T13:48:30 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T13:48:30 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-04T13:48:30 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T14:01:20 < kakium69> I learned in my first electronics project how motors cause mcu to brown out 2021-07-04T14:01:49 < kakium69> it went into loop after that 2021-07-04T14:02:09 < kakium69> when mcu booted it required 100% torque 2021-07-04T14:31:19 < ventYl> in the beginning, i somehow ignored the need for bypass caps, thus relays were browning out (if it can even be called like that) my MCU 2021-07-04T15:07:29 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T15:58:35 -!- flatmush [~benbrewer@host86-154-140-132.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-04T16:02:45 < GenTooMan> ventYl, I can only say "be thankful for MCU's that can handle that" I bet 30 years ago the MCU would have just stopped in latch up. 2021-07-04T16:03:22 < ventYl> it was 25+ years old MCU design 2021-07-04T16:04:18 < ventYl> but yeah, if MCU hard stopped, I would find it out faster. this way, software mostly ran and occasional brown outs were interpreted as "oh, this event got somehow missed by the software" 2021-07-04T16:04:43 < ventYl> so I ended up tracing non-existent error 2021-07-04T16:07:42 < GenTooMan> hmm so the MCU didn't have a BOR that explains why all those BOR reset chips exist. 2021-07-04T16:09:15 < ventYl> there is BOR, but the task SW was doing didn't have rich state, so resets were virtually undetectable 2021-07-04T16:09:50 < ventYl> or at least it wasn't very simple to realize that MCU reset until you specifically looked for time since reset 2021-07-04T16:35:50 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-04T16:36:51 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T16:59:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T16:59:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-04T17:01:32 < GenTooMan> ah I always had a weird series of flags I used for handling reset events. 2021-07-04T17:10:30 < mouseghost> do you set watchdog on your projects or something? 2021-07-04T17:10:35 < mouseghost> or is it set for me? or wah 2021-07-04T17:15:49 < mouseghost> or should i just assume that my program works and w/e who cares? 2021-07-04T17:22:40 < BrainDamage> depends, what happens if a pin gets stuck? 2021-07-04T17:27:15 < BrainDamage> if eg it's a psu controller a pin getting stuck means stuff blowing up 2021-07-04T17:27:39 < mouseghost> D: 2021-07-04T17:27:46 < mouseghost> no no no 2021-07-04T17:29:56 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-04T17:35:27 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T17:37:47 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T17:42:11 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-04T17:43:06 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T17:51:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T18:03:55 < englishman> zyp: https://motor.no/elbil/motor-test-av-ioniq-5--i-tet-blant-elektriske-familie-suv-er/202563 2021-07-04T18:04:40 < englishman> title is a bit much 2021-07-04T18:08:26 < englishman> no pricing yet... 2021-07-04T18:09:16 < englishman> £37k. ouch 2021-07-04T18:29:38 < mouseghost> is storing a word and storing a byte similar in terms of speed? 2021-07-04T18:30:27 < GenTooMan> mouseghost, depends on the processor 2021-07-04T18:30:36 < mouseghost> ;-; 2021-07-04T18:30:40 < mouseghost> 32-bit arch tho 2021-07-04T18:31:13 < GenTooMan> if ARM it depends on what part of the processor it's hung off 2021-07-04T18:33:05 -!- flatmush [~benbrewer@82-69-13-96.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T18:33:28 < GenTooMan> some paths are only 8 bits wide for example (external memory can be like that). 2021-07-04T18:34:00 < mouseghost> hm 2021-07-04T18:34:16 < mouseghost> internal memory 2021-07-04T18:34:22 < mouseghost> with 32-bit access 2021-07-04T18:41:47 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@050-183-165-046.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-04T18:43:10 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@246-140-100-005.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T19:19:37 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T19:38:29 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-04T19:43:53 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T19:44:25 < Laurenceb> sup 2021-07-04T19:44:35 * Laurenceb is trying to make sockets work under cygwin 2021-07-04T19:44:55 < Laurenceb> fatal error: sys/socket.h: No such file or directory 2021-07-04T19:45:03 < Laurenceb> wtf I thought that should be included? 2021-07-04T19:46:19 < mawk> what are you using to compile Laurenceb 2021-07-04T19:46:26 < mawk> gcc? 2021-07-04T19:46:42 < mawk> get the mingw toolchain, why are you using cygwin? 2021-07-04T19:47:20 < mawk> or use windows.h like a real pro 2021-07-04T19:47:25 < mawk> and msvc 2021-07-04T19:53:04 < Laurenceb> gcc yeah 2021-07-04T19:58:08 < Laurenceb> hmm I seem to be using mingw gcc 2021-07-04T19:58:16 < Laurenceb> maybe I need to swap to a cygwin gcc 2021-07-04T20:01:14 < ventYl> or switch to mingw-w64 and you can almost throw cygwin out of window 2021-07-04T20:15:55 < zyp> englishman, idk, it's about the same as id.4 here 2021-07-04T20:16:45 < zyp> I haven't really seen any cheaper cars that are interesting 2021-07-04T20:43:24 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T20:43:29 < Laurenceb> /usr/bin/gcc.exe -std=c11 foo.c -o foo 2021-07-04T20:43:31 < Laurenceb> simples 2021-07-04T20:45:37 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-04T20:45:38 -!- rkta_ [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T20:45:49 -!- rkta_ is now known as rkta 2021-07-04T20:52:04 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::75d6] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T20:58:07 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-04T21:02:56 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-04T21:08:15 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: do you need to compile *nix software without any modifications to run on Windows? 2021-07-04T21:09:27 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-04T21:16:48 < R2COM> uhh... how do i disable windows key not being used by win10 when using it as super key in linux vm 2021-07-04T21:19:33 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: in this case use Cygwin with its compiler and carry the additional dll along. Or use WSL2 and run GNU/Linux apps natively. 2021-07-04T21:19:45 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-04T21:20:00 < Laurenceb> problem is I was planning to use socketcan 2021-07-04T21:20:03 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: mingw32-w64 is meant to build native windows applications and when it comes to sockets some minimal changes are needed, as it's not exactly BSD API. 2021-07-04T21:20:04 < R2COM> what a fuckery... uh... ill just assign different super key in unix vm 2021-07-04T21:20:09 < Laurenceb> this looks undoable on windows 2021-07-04T21:20:13 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: socketcan on windows? Good plan :) 2021-07-04T21:20:52 < Laurenceb> irony I presume? 2021-07-04T21:21:51 < PaulFertser> Of course 2021-07-04T21:22:05 < Laurenceb> heh 2021-07-04T21:22:05 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: do you use some USB CAN adapter? 2021-07-04T21:22:13 < Laurenceb> no, raspberry pi 2021-07-04T21:22:19 < Laurenceb> just testing codez on windows 2021-07-04T21:22:37 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: wtf how can you test program that should run on rpi on windows and why? 2021-07-04T21:22:46 < Laurenceb> cuz lazy 2021-07-04T21:22:55 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: install a VM or use WSL2 (which is also kind of a VM) 2021-07-04T21:23:04 < Laurenceb> hmm I can test everything apart from can, I'll call it a day 2021-07-04T21:24:11 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/EUcDszfD does this look sane? 2021-07-04T21:26:41 < Laurenceb> its supposed to sniff can packets and send them over udp 2021-07-04T21:27:18 < R2COM> almost done with fpga xilinx tool vm.... fucking desperate measure, cuz command flow doesnt work in win10 for ISE 2021-07-04T21:27:43 < R2COM> so crafter a small build system in python to invoke fpga flow tools, and since shit only runs in linux had to vm it... 2021-07-04T21:27:53 < R2COM> what a pain 2021-07-04T21:28:37 < R2COM> and i didnt know that this fucking HyperV doesnt support 4k 2021-07-04T21:28:41 < R2COM> 1080p is its max 2021-07-04T21:28:41 < R2COM> lol 2021-07-04T21:33:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-04T21:38:09 < specing> install linux 2021-07-04T21:50:10 < Laurenceb> https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.fe449ed08358a5f8372414eedc5faeff?rik=IefIFaeNni%2fiXA&pid=ImgRaw 2021-07-04T21:53:49 < ventYl> Laurenceb: it should work 2021-07-04T21:54:21 < Laurenceb> cool, I havent used sockets in c before 2021-07-04T21:56:01 < ventYl> socketcan works quite different to other socket types 2021-07-04T21:58:20 < Laurenceb> yeah the ioctl is weird 2021-07-04T22:01:02 < ventYl> i think that ioctl for similar job for AF_INET is even weirder 2021-07-04T22:01:14 < ventYl> but I haven't used it for more than a decade 2021-07-04T22:34:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-04T22:54:16 < Laurenceb> if I have a closed system (shared secret), and one node wants to prove its identity to another, is there a really simple algorythm? 2021-07-04T22:54:32 < Laurenceb> node 1 gives node 2 a 128bit int 2021-07-04T22:55:11 < Laurenceb> node 2 multiplies the int by the 128bit int shared secret, then takes lower 128bits and returns that to node 1? 2021-07-04T22:59:29 < zyp> how is that proof? 2021-07-04T23:00:52 < zyp> I mean, the shared secret wouldn't be secret anymore if you did that 2021-07-04T23:03:15 < BrainDamage> node 2 encrypts the int using aes with the shared secret 2021-07-04T23:03:33 < BrainDamage> node 1 runs again aes, and see if it gets the original int 2021-07-04T23:03:34 < ventYl> Laurenceb: this kind of authentication algorithms are called challenge response 2021-07-04T23:03:48 < BrainDamage> also, are you reinventing a vpn? 2021-07-04T23:04:47 < zyp> I mean, in your exchange, node 1 would send A, node 2 does B = (A * S) % N and returns B 2021-07-04T23:05:16 < BrainDamage> if you replace multiply with a hash function, it'd work as weell 2021-07-04T23:05:23 < zyp> to find X, all you need to do then is (B * A^-1) % N 2021-07-04T23:05:28 < zyp> S* 2021-07-04T23:06:32 < zyp> like BrainDamage says, you need a one way function, modulo-multiplication is not 2021-07-04T23:06:44 < R2COM> wow xfce desktop environment supposed to be like lightweight, lunix under vm with that still lags.... with Gnome it lags as fuck... with xfce its fast, but still lags... however, after installing wm, its like really fast and snappy. this this xfce shit is not that light and doesnt work fast under virtualbox 2021-07-04T23:07:44 < ventYl> R2COM: that's because nowadays, it doesn't really matter if WM is lightweight or not. what really matters is if WM is using accelerated drawing or not 2021-07-04T23:08:11 < ventYl> xfce is an example of poorly accelerated WM, which is why it sucks in VM 2021-07-04T23:08:51 < R2COM> im using awesomewm and its super fast now 2021-07-04T23:08:55 < R2COM> under virtualbox 2021-07-04T23:09:38 < R2COM> by lightweight i also meant how fast it is actually... so yeah that would be more proper word, fast not lightweight 2021-07-04T23:10:29 < ventYl> that might be due to the fact, that awesomewm comes from '80s, it is using server side drawing which might actually end up being accelerated without awesome even knowing that 2021-07-04T23:10:59 < R2COM> i thought awesomewm is kinda fresh 2021-07-04T23:11:10 < R2COM> wrapped with that Lua thingy for config 2021-07-04T23:11:23 < ventYl> it is not, if X11 interfacing is considered 2021-07-04T23:11:33 < ventYl> it uses decades old drawing model 2021-07-04T23:11:35 < R2COM> Initial release: September 18, 2007; 13 years ago 2021-07-04T23:11:39 < R2COM> so its not 80s 2021-07-04T23:11:46 < R2COM> k 2021-07-04T23:12:38 < R2COM> yeah, like... i tried running Kicad on some laptop with FreeBSD, the laptop is like from 2012... and when I turned on acceleration it was worse than without it 2021-07-04T23:13:13 < ventYl> xfce is known to suck wherever GUI performance is critically dependant on 3D acceleration 2021-07-04T23:13:33 < R2COM> so drawing schematics in Kicad with acceleration off was faster... lol 2021-07-04T23:13:50 < ventYl> same happens here 2021-07-04T23:14:15 < R2COM> but afaik... Kicad is using OpenGL which is not like...direct access to hardware, its some surface API shit 2021-07-04T23:14:18 < ventYl> I run KDE plasma, but use unaccelerated toolkit in kicad 2021-07-04T23:14:19 < R2COM> not the best one 2021-07-04T23:14:25 < R2COM> i.e. its not using something like Vulkan 2021-07-04T23:14:53 < ventYl> opengl is fast enough for all purposes kicad might need 2021-07-04T23:15:03 < R2COM> apparently its not 2021-07-04T23:15:12 < R2COM> since its acceleration literally doesnt work well 2021-07-04T23:15:20 < R2COM> oh...on old laptop.. 2021-07-04T23:15:35 < R2COM> on my main PC with FreeBSD and properly installed Nvidia driver, it actually works fast with it 2021-07-04T23:15:40 < ventYl> acceleration performance will depend on how good/bad your 3D driver is 2021-07-04T23:15:49 < ventYl> if your driver sucks, then kicad will be slow as fuck 2021-07-04T23:16:31 < R2COM> so yeah maybe its "good enough" for things like schematics drawing.. just saying that OpenGL is not best stuff for critical performance in graphics 2021-07-04T23:16:36 < ventYl> in case of newer mesa, it is even possible, that you don't have native 3D support and your 3D "acceleration" is actually emulated using CPU 2021-07-04T23:16:40 < zyp> Laurenceb, https://paste.jvnv.net/view/z5jh5 2021-07-04T23:16:43 < R2COM> some AAA games already started using Vulkan 2021-07-04T23:17:38 < ventYl> R2COM: uh oh, the only reason why opengl is not as performant as vulkan is, that opengl is more abstract. and it is driver's job to bridge opengl abstraction with real hardware capabilities 2021-07-04T23:18:10 < ventYl> but this really only can be visible with extensive use of large shaders, which most probably is not the kicad use case 2021-07-04T23:18:12 < R2COM> yeah but if stuff coded with Vulkan its direct access to hardware as far as I know (havent touched it myself) 2021-07-04T23:18:22 < R2COM> i.e. coding in DX12 or coding in Vulkan should be alike 2021-07-04T23:18:44 < ventYl> in neither case the application is directly touching the HW 2021-07-04T23:19:16 < R2COM> its touching lowest level driver functions talking to HW 2021-07-04T23:19:37 < ventYl> in fact that doesn't really matter 2021-07-04T23:19:50 < zyp> R2COM, not necessarily 2021-07-04T23:19:53 < R2COM> i mean Vulkan has less overhead than opengl thats all im saying 2021-07-04T23:20:14 < ventYl> normally, regardless of API used, you tend to prepare all the data in advance and then simply just fire rendering 2021-07-04T23:20:22 < zyp> opengl and vulkan are both interface specs 2021-07-04T23:20:51 < ventYl> which means that vast majority of "overhead" is accounted before you even start rendering 2021-07-04T23:20:52 < zyp> what makes vulkan more performant is that the interface is better suited for modern hardware 2021-07-04T23:21:02 < ventYl> and less abstract 2021-07-04T23:21:16 < R2COM> that sounds as a very vague explanation 2021-07-04T23:21:33 < R2COM> https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/96014/what-is-vulkan-and-how-does-it-differ-from-opengl 2021-07-04T23:23:06 < R2COM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulkan_(API) 2021-07-04T23:23:27 < R2COM> "Other major differences from Direct3D 11 and OpenGL is Vulkan being a considerably lower-level API and offering parallel tasking." 2021-07-04T23:23:32 < zyp> you know how there are software renderers for opengl, right? like mesa 2021-07-04T23:23:56 < zyp> you can do the same for vulkan, so a vulkan implementation doesn't need to touch hardware at all 2021-07-04T23:24:01 < R2COM> the wiki is saying directly that its a lower level api, thats all i was pointing before 2021-07-04T23:24:22 < ventYl> which doesn't mean that it allows you to touch HW directly 2021-07-04T23:24:40 < ventYl> it means that certain stuff, which was performed by OpenGL is now up to application 2021-07-04T23:24:49 < R2COM> well yeah i mean its not *directly* but its done through the driver which controls hw 2021-07-04T23:25:01 < zyp> not necessarily 2021-07-04T23:25:06 < R2COM> like recently for example if im correct.. Nvidia made a driver supporting Vulkan for FreeBSD 2021-07-04T23:25:17 < zyp> e.g. here's vulkan implemented as a translation layer on top of metal: https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK 2021-07-04T23:25:22 < R2COM> so your vulkan stuff needs that driver to execute on those machines 2021-07-04T23:25:33 < R2COM> its that driver they did who controls HW 2021-07-04T23:26:18 < ventYl> that's the same with opengl ;) 2021-07-04T23:26:33 < zyp> and then there's zink that's implementing opengl on top of vulkan as well: https://docs.mesa3d.org/drivers/zink.html 2021-07-04T23:27:25 < R2COM> from what I hear in general, OpenGL is trash :) 2021-07-04T23:28:47 < ventYl> I can't compare as it is the only API I've ever used 2021-07-04T23:29:13 < ventYl> there's a disadvantage of many subvariants, which are not 100% compatible 2021-07-04T23:29:57 < ventYl> like mobile HW only supports GL ES subvariants, which don't support ancient stuff, like OpenGL 1 fixed pipeline 2021-07-04T23:30:33 < ventYl> but overally, OpenGL is just an API and feature-wise it is complement to DX, except of DX12, which looks like Vulkan 2021-07-04T23:31:06 < R2COM> many modern tripeA games now either DX12 or Vulkan 2021-07-04T23:31:09 < ventYl> nah, not complement, similar 2021-07-04T23:31:09 < R2COM> some support both 2021-07-04T23:31:36 < R2COM> err...its more like, all are DX12 and some DX12/Vulkan 2021-07-04T23:33:29 < ventYl> now you have to fit playstation into your equation somehow 2021-07-04T23:33:55 < R2COM> playstation is.,.. um.. its basically FreeBSD ;] 2021-07-04T23:33:55 < ventYl> because if what you say was true, then either playstation doesn't have any AAA games, or all of them use DX 2021-07-04T23:34:07 < R2COM> with some custom stuff for its custom graphics 2021-07-04T23:34:16 < ventYl> neither of them is true 2021-07-04T23:34:44 < R2COM> but honestly...consoles are shit so maybe I didnt care when saying it 2021-07-04T23:34:48 < R2COM> i meant PC 2021-07-04T23:35:06 < R2COM> real gaming is in PC, consoles are for nigglets 2021-07-04T23:35:40 < ventYl> probably vast majority of games now is using some of generic engines such as unity or unreal engine, or similar. thus the choice of backend is not made by game authors, rather by engine authors 2021-07-04T23:36:05 < ventYl> and for whatever reason, they chose to use DX on windows. maybe because it supports new HW features quicker than opengl 2021-07-04T23:36:11 < R2COM> yeah its mainly true, but real AAA games are typically with own engines 2021-07-04T23:36:33 < R2COM> UE4/5 is an engine for someone who would do their own game if that someone is like small team or single dev 2021-07-04T23:36:45 < R2COM> but serious big companies typically craft own engine 2021-07-04T23:37:36 < R2COM> well i think if someone targets win10 then yeah DX is more natural probably for that 2021-07-04T23:38:00 < R2COM> i just wish Nvidia made their drivers open source 2021-07-04T23:38:06 < ventYl> and quite often, openGL implementations 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2021-07-06T14:06:51 < bitmask> yea i have ph paper, i dont do enough chemical stuff to warrant a ph meter 2021-07-06T14:07:08 < mawk> I see 2021-07-06T14:08:14 < bitmask> what are you working on 2021-07-06T14:09:19 < bitmask> i did just order a geiger counter and magnetometer though 2021-07-06T14:19:04 < mawk> making drugs 2021-07-06T14:19:18 < bitmask> hah what drugs 2021-07-06T14:19:22 < mawk> so I need a pH-meter 2021-07-06T14:19:27 < mawk> I'm making GHB 2021-07-06T14:19:39 < mawk> to use as a facial soap 2021-07-06T14:19:49 < mawk> my skin is delicate 2021-07-06T14:20:03 < mawk> so you mix γ-BL with sodium hydroxyde and heat it until pH is 7 and that's i 2021-07-06T14:20:07 < mawk> it 2021-07-06T14:20:12 < mawk> it's almost like making soap 2021-07-06T14:22:59 < bitmask> γ-BL ? 2021-07-06T14:23:40 < bitmask> why the interesting in ghb anyway? trying to get raped? 2021-07-06T14:24:15 < mawk> lol 2021-07-06T14:24:24 < mawk> gammabutyrolactone 2021-07-06T14:24:28 < mawk> no I'm putting a blue dye in it 2021-07-06T14:24:31 < mawk> so it can't be used to rape 2021-07-06T14:24:39 < mawk> it's just an alcohol substitute 2021-07-06T14:24:45 < mawk> that doesn't punch a hole in your liver 2021-07-06T14:25:16 < bitmask> interesting 2021-07-06T14:25:56 < bitmask> never tried it but a few friends used to do it, they would obviously push themselves to the limit because to test they were ok if they passed out they do that reflex test of rubbing real hard on your chest 2021-07-06T14:26:16 < bitmask> i never saw em do it, never had any interest 2021-07-06T14:29:35 < mawk> yeah I don't like it either 2021-07-06T14:29:40 < mawk> I don't like anything anymore 2021-07-06T14:29:42 < mawk> I'm a pure man 2021-07-06T14:30:06 < mawk> what's the magnetometer for bitmask 2021-07-06T14:31:10 < bitmask> I wanna play with electromagnets and maybe make a flip-dot display of some sort, figured it would be useful in designing the coils 2021-07-06T14:32:09 < mawk> like in airports you mean? 2021-07-06T14:32:17 < mawk> the thing that flips to display numbers/letters 2021-07-06T14:32:27 < mawk> I thought it worked with a mere motor 2021-07-06T14:33:02 < bitmask> somewhat but its just two sides that flip back and forth, not like a rolodex of letters/numbers 2021-07-06T14:33:21 < mawk> so it displays only two things 2021-07-06T14:33:29 < mawk> or what 2021-07-06T14:33:37 < bitmask> yea, like a monochrome display 2021-07-06T14:33:51 < bitmask> i wanted to avoid motors since theres gonna be a bunch of em 2021-07-06T14:34:26 < mawk> I see 2021-07-06T14:34:28 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-06T14:34:42 < mawk> well if you have electromagnets somewhere you end up doing some kind of proto motor anyway 2021-07-06T14:34:43 < bitmask> have you seen those mirrors that use it in neat ways? it has a camera that detects you or whatever is in front of it and displays it 2021-07-06T14:34:51 < bitmask> yea true 2021-07-06T14:35:23 < mawk> no, you have a link to that? 2021-07-06T14:35:55 < bitmask> looking 2021-07-06T14:36:10 < bitmask> some guy even used troll dolls where one side of the head is white and one side is black 2021-07-06T14:36:39 < bitmask> heres an example while i look for the one im really looking for 2021-07-06T14:36:39 < bitmask> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s94PscZJ5EE 2021-07-06T14:37:27 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/P-RqdgkCM5M 2021-07-06T14:37:36 < bitmask> thats the video i was thinking of though its more than just flip dots 2021-07-06T14:41:12 < bitmask> i also wanted to use e-magnets to try and reduce the noise 2021-07-06T14:41:45 < bitmask> i cant find any good iron rods to use as cores that are less than 5mm diameter 2021-07-06T14:42:22 < bitmask> im gonna try some cast iron + 55% nickel welding rods that come in 1-3mm 2021-07-06T14:42:45 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T14:43:30 < bitmask> though i did get some 5mm rods of silicon steel and soft iron 2021-07-06T14:49:04 < mawk> ah I see 2021-07-06T14:49:15 < mawk> lol the troll dolls 2021-07-06T14:49:19 < bitmask> heh 2021-07-06T14:50:35 < bitmask> i do wanna get back into electroforming/plating copper, i just dont know what to use it for 2021-07-06T14:55:52 < BrainDamage> electroplated buttplugs for ems 2021-07-06T15:08:49 < bitmask> there ya go 2021-07-06T15:30:01 < Mangy_Dog> https://imgur.com/gallery/OI4q6RN 2021-07-06T15:41:20 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:bdbe:78c6:d54a:12d] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T16:13:16 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et_eKvzIu8A 2021-07-06T16:18:10 < bitmask> lets try this 5mm fcob led strip 2021-07-06T16:21:42 < Steffann> Cool animation Mangy_Dog 2021-07-06T16:21:57 < Mangy_Dog> thanks 2021-07-06T16:22:00 < Steffann> You DIY all those graphics? 2021-07-06T16:22:01 < Mangy_Dog> still a lot to do 2021-07-06T16:22:04 < Mangy_Dog> yeah 2021-07-06T16:22:08 < Steffann> Daamn 2021-07-06T16:22:18 < Mangy_Dog> i got to program the rest of the animated stuff 2021-07-06T16:22:45 < Steffann> Even made the body yourself? 2021-07-06T16:23:06 < Mangy_Dog> naaa i didnt want to put THAT much effort in... I used some stock images i edited. 2021-07-06T16:23:15 < Mangy_Dog> I did redraw the cardiovascular system though 2021-07-06T16:23:43 < Steffann> Aah 2021-07-06T16:23:47 < Steffann> Still nice though 2021-07-06T16:28:56 < Mangy_Dog> i mean dont get me wrong. i did spent a couple of days editing the stock footage to work with my stuff :D i just didnt want to spend several weeks making a copy of the 3d human body with all organs and vanes mapped out accurately for a small graphic like this :D 2021-07-06T16:31:44 < Mangy_Dog> https://emit.medschl.cam.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/human-body-model-against-black.jpg 2021-07-06T16:31:47 < Mangy_Dog> is what i used 2021-07-06T16:31:47 < Mangy_Dog> :D 2021-07-06T16:31:52 < Mangy_Dog> and edited 2021-07-06T16:34:09 < bitmask> damn this shit is bright 2021-07-06T16:35:41 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/fHvjCVN.png 2021-07-06T16:35:49 < bitmask> hard to capture on camera of course 2021-07-06T16:50:31 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-06T16:55:41 < bitmask> how do you fix a hakko fx-888d 2021-07-06T17:10:06 < bitmask> ahh i think i need a new chord 2021-07-06T17:10:13 < bitmask> cord* 2021-07-06T18:46:46 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T19:10:42 < jpa-> bitmask: nice tool storage 2021-07-06T19:10:51 < bitmask> haha 2021-07-06T19:20:33 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/AGz6wdC 2021-07-06T19:20:35 < bitmask> not too bad 2021-07-06T19:24:16 < Steffann> Show us your tool(s) jpa- 2021-07-06T19:24:47 < jpa-> Steffann: i thought you would never ask! 2021-07-06T19:28:17 < jpa-> Steffann: https://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/IMG_20210706_192528.jpg 2021-07-06T19:30:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-06T19:31:09 < Steffann> Soo much space wasted... 2021-07-06T19:33:40 < jpa-> Steffann: so do you have any new photos of Tectu's tool? 2021-07-06T19:36:15 < jadew> nice jpa- 2021-07-06T19:44:42 < jadew> I like that you have a place for the caliper 2021-07-06T19:45:01 < jadew> I still haven't found one for mine... it just sits in its original box and I put it wherever 2021-07-06T19:45:59 < jpa-> i have a bit similar vertical storage for various dev boards etc. also 2021-07-06T19:46:41 < BrainDamage> can you keep the drawers open while you work on stuff? 2021-07-06T19:47:11 < jpa-> not very well, the area is a bit cramped 2021-07-06T19:47:20 < jpa-> also the right side drawer is a bit too deep under the table 2021-07-06T19:48:15 < bitmask> heres my caliper holder :P https://i.imgur.com/ZiC1Q8j.jpg 2021-07-06T19:52:54 < jadew> http://188.25.73.249/stuff/20210706_194015.jpg 2021-07-06T19:55:35 < jadew> for the main tool drawer I use a cutlery separator: http://188.25.73.249/stuff/20210706_194332.jpg 2021-07-06T19:58:47 < jadew> second tweezers from the right is for my eyebrows 2021-07-06T19:59:32 < bitmask> hmm, what ready made solution would you use to pwm a small led strip, 12V/~300mA 2021-07-06T20:01:56 < jpa-> i would use a DC-DC converter with constant current mode 2021-07-06T20:02:43 < bitmask> oh true, i guess I was thinking running at full voltage was more efficient but it doesnt matter 2021-07-06T20:03:50 < jpa-> i think that because of the integrated series resistors, running with constant current source is more efficient 2021-07-06T20:04:09 < bitmask> oh ok 2021-07-06T20:04:26 < bitmask> let me try running it off my psu with current limiting and see how it behaves 2021-07-06T20:07:15 < jpa-> with duty D, max current I and integrated series resistors of R, PWM mode would waste D * I^2 * R as heat, while CC mode would waste (D * I)^2 * R 2021-07-06T20:08:10 < bitmask> 60mA seems like a good brightness, at the rated 12V its 195mA 2021-07-06T20:10:24 < bitmask> i gotta run a temperature test later, i still dont know if its gonna get cold enough 2021-07-06T20:12:16 < Steffann> It looks like pretty cool white to me, bitmask 2021-07-06T20:12:51 < bitmask> temp of the peltier+copper plate 2021-07-06T20:12:59 < Steffann> :P 2021-07-06T20:13:05 < bitmask> haha ok i wasnt sure if you were joking or not 2021-07-06T20:15:18 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T20:18:15 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Tell me a sad story. 2021-07-06T20:35:05 < Steffann> Touchgfx > ugfx 2021-07-06T20:35:36 < BrainDamage> once in switzerland there was a tectu that met his steffan, but then steffan went away and they never met again ever since 2021-07-06T20:36:25 < jpa-> once there was jpa, who got some good ideas and spent time on them; then motivation disappeared and stuff was never finished 2021-07-06T20:37:41 < Steffann> Did the Italian guy even go back, BrainDamage ? 2021-07-06T20:37:51 < BrainDamage> nope 2021-07-06T20:37:56 < BrainDamage> all alone :( 2021-07-06T20:38:06 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T20:38:42 < Steffann> Awh 2021-07-06T20:39:24 < Steffann> I think a tectu should pick better weather when some people visit him 2021-07-06T20:39:52 < tct> haha ^^ 2021-07-06T20:41:06 < jpa-> once there was successful businessman tectu, but he didn't make babies, so there was no-one he could feel sad about when they didn't continue his life's work, and he had to turn to irc stories to find sadness 2021-07-06T20:42:41 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-06T20:42:52 < Steffann> I bet he can find a cry baby on IRC. 2021-07-06T20:44:26 < Steffann> Or maybe twitter is better for that 2021-07-06T20:45:07 < Steffann> Did you get covidded yet, tct? 2021-07-06T20:45:31 < tct> nah, I don't do that. 2021-07-06T20:47:58 < Steffann> Got your 5G shot then? 2021-07-06T20:50:58 < tct> nah, I am a simple member of society 2021-07-06T20:52:10 < Steffann> Not getting it or not your turn yet? No way .ch is this slow... 2021-07-06T21:06:16 < ventYl> today, I have used capacitor capacity meter feature on my DMM for the first time in my life 2021-07-06T21:06:26 < ventYl> it is as useless as I expected 2021-07-06T21:19:46 < BrainDamage> is it a large or small cap? 2021-07-06T21:20:03 < BrainDamage> for small caps, you can only measure them with a special attachmentt 2021-07-06T21:20:28 < ventYl> small one, it had color coding and I was lazy to decode it 2021-07-06T21:28:48 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Excess Flood] 2021-07-06T21:29:16 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T21:30:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T21:32:37 < bitmask> man i fucked up the drilling of these holes in my copper plate, do i fix it or spend $15 and get a new one 2021-07-06T21:33:54 < Steffann> Do you have a spare $15? 2021-07-06T21:34:00 < bitmask> sure 2021-07-06T21:34:17 < ventYl> fix it, then spare another $15 2021-07-06T21:34:21 * ventYl approves 2021-07-06T21:34:44 < bitmask> oh it might not be as off as I thought 2021-07-06T21:34:59 < bitmask> i think i'll just drill out the holes a tiny bit and use washers 2021-07-06T21:37:39 < bitmask> ahh shit, i need a hole for the high voltage wire too 2021-07-06T21:37:50 < bitmask> i hate waiting for parts in the mail 2021-07-06T21:38:49 < bitmask> getting close to being finished, just wanna get there 2021-07-06T21:38:58 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-06T21:40:05 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T21:45:06 < Steffann> mawk: why did you shoot a guy in Amsterdam? 2021-07-06T21:50:28 < BrainDamage> ventYl: the cable capacitance is significant for small caps 2021-07-06T21:52:18 < BrainDamage> you need a special fork thing that goes directly into the banana leads and comes out with a breadboard-like socket 2021-07-06T22:03:37 < ventYl> BrainDamage: it had special terminals for this purpose, you could stick cap pretty much "balls deep" there 2021-07-06T22:04:26 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-06T22:15:26 < BrainDamage> https://video.corriere.it/mclaren-divorata-fiamme-tornanti-passo-pordoi/3e8cbb9a-dd5a-11eb-8676-1285755d8d46 2021-07-06T22:15:39 < BrainDamage> mclaren self combusted on an alpine pass 2021-07-06T22:19:28 < ventYl> lamborghinis and audis can do that too 2021-07-06T22:20:13 < ventYl> corvette will break down before it even reaches pass 2021-07-06T22:21:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T22:22:27 < upgrdman> anyone know how long until stm32 mcus are restocked? is the shortage expected to really be >1 year? 2021-07-06T22:23:44 < Steffann> no one really knows... 2021-07-06T22:25:03 < BrainDamage> the car industry thought sales would go down, and cancelled a crapton of orders, so the fabs allotted the time schedule to others, but covid threw people off public transportation, so sales went up 2021-07-06T22:25:25 < BrainDamage> they are still catching up with urgent backorders 2021-07-06T22:25:40 < BrainDamage> and it'll take a while to settle on the older schedule 2021-07-06T22:25:41 < ventYl> but stm32 is not used in automotive afaik 2021-07-06T22:26:02 < BrainDamage> doesn't matter, the fab time is the shared resource 2021-07-06T22:26:54 < BrainDamage> if they use the same fab as automotive parts, then they are affected 2021-07-06T22:27:10 < bitmask> can you split a thermocouple's output to go to two readers 2021-07-06T22:28:02 < BrainDamage> yes, you'll need to do cold junction compensation where you do the split tho 2021-07-06T22:28:29 < bitmask> hmm 2021-07-06T22:29:14 < BrainDamage> the point where the thermocouple touches another metal is the cold junction, and it measures temp relative to that 2021-07-06T22:29:27 < bitmask> gotcha 2021-07-06T22:29:48 < BrainDamage> after it's just a voltage signal you can treat like any other 2021-07-06T22:30:13 < BrainDamage> why do you need two readers? 2021-07-06T22:30:23 < ventYl> i made controller for one K thermocouple, which in reality was just an amplifier. it was for hillclimb car 2021-07-06T22:30:33 < ventYl> it gave readings of 1200+ deg. C 2021-07-06T22:30:59 < ventYl> engine builders told us that it is not possible to reach such combustion temperature even under full boost 2021-07-06T22:31:18 < ventYl> thermocouple died, propeller on turbo had signs of excess heat 2021-07-06T22:31:36 < bitmask> i dont really, i originally was gonna just have a led meter showing the temp made up of like 6 leds, then i got one of those cheap modules that actually displays the temp, i made the cutouts for both in the panel so im not sure what i wanna do 2021-07-06T22:31:45 < ventYl> later we found that exhaust was partially clogged by flexible connecting part, which caused excessive temperatures at / after turbo 2021-07-06T22:34:53 < bitmask> oh fuck, i cant do that anyway.... one uses a k type the other a j type 2021-07-06T22:37:10 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T22:37:22 < kakium69> ##gd32 meet in autumn? 2021-07-06T22:37:22 < xnand> Commands: cache decide nar 2021-07-06T22:40:02 < Steffann> #nar 2021-07-06T22:40:02 < xnand> Use `#narUrl /nix/store/` to query URL of the respective NAR 2021-07-06T22:40:15 < Steffann> #decide 2021-07-06T22:40:15 < xnand> `#decide a | b | c` to use the best AI out there to decide for you 2021-07-06T22:40:32 < Steffann> #decide fuck this bot? 2021-07-06T22:40:32 < xnand> fuck this bot? 2021-07-06T22:40:39 < Steffann> oh, it needs the | 2021-07-06T22:40:41 < Steffann> nevermind 2021-07-06T22:41:17 < Steffann> will you be allowed to travel without your 5g shot, kakium69? 2021-07-06T22:41:30 < kakium69> oh yeas 2021-07-06T22:41:41 < fenugrec> #decide stm32 | msp430 2021-07-06T22:41:41 < xnand> stm32 2021-07-06T22:41:46 < kakium69> I need to make an appointent 2021-07-06T22:54:02 < kakium69> norway accepts finns now! 2021-07-06T22:54:08 < kakium69> not all finns 2021-07-06T22:54:14 < kakium69> just from certain areas 2021-07-06T23:01:29 < zyp> cool, when are you coming? 2021-07-06T23:04:28 < Steffann> Time for an europe moped tour kakium69 2021-07-06T23:04:45 < kakium69> zyp: do I need vaccination? 2021-07-06T23:05:04 < zyp> hmm, idk 2021-07-06T23:05:27 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-06T23:05:33 < kakium69> I live in "green zone" 2021-07-06T23:05:39 < zyp> checking 2021-07-06T23:05:43 < kakium69> nothing required 2021-07-06T23:05:53 < kakium69> just let them test you at the border 2021-07-06T23:06:14 < zyp> yep 2021-07-06T23:07:56 < kakium69> also I can go to sweden 2021-07-06T23:08:05 < kakium69> which is the quickest route 2021-07-06T23:08:28 < kakium69> get in the boat 2021-07-06T23:08:33 < kakium69> go to sweden 2021-07-06T23:08:38 < kakium69> go to norway 2021-07-06T23:08:55 < zyp> do you have a viking club card? 2021-07-06T23:10:20 -!- tkoskine_ is now known as tkoskine 2021-07-06T23:11:39 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@user/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-06T23:14:46 < kakium69> no 2021-07-06T23:15:16 < tkoskine> looks like pretty much all finns are going to norway, yesterday there was 5h waiting time on the border ( https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12009423 ). 2021-07-06T23:19:13 < Steffann> heh, is that you kakium69 (that selfie on that website) 2021-07-06T23:19:53 < kakium69> no 2021-07-06T23:19:55 < kakium69> almost 2021-07-06T23:21:27 < kakium69> zyp: I think I need to wait to late summer or fall 2021-07-06T23:27:53 < Steffann> 2022? 2021-07-06T23:32:39 < kakium69> hmm 2021-07-06T23:32:54 < kakium69> well I got works 2021-07-06T23:40:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-06T23:41:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-06T23:47:10 < bitmask> damn, i was worried about cutting this out but it came out perfect 2021-07-06T23:47:10 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/P2h73Fs.png 2021-07-06T23:55:38 < aandrew> interesting, what's that cut out of 2021-07-06T23:56:42 < bitmask> buna-n 2021-07-06T23:56:48 < bitmask> nitrile --- Day changed Wed Jul 07 2021 2021-07-07T00:17:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-07T00:26:25 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T00:30:14 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-07T00:30:14 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-07T00:43:49 < zyp> karlp, is there any convenient cheap ways to translate modbus tcp to rtu? 2021-07-07T00:44:10 < zyp> bonus points if it has PoE 2021-07-07T00:45:31 < zyp> I suspect my best bet might be an rpi with a PoE module and a usb-rs485 cable, which is stuff I already got 2021-07-07T00:47:35 < karlp> sw or hw? 2021-07-07T00:47:54 < karlp> you're not going to find particularly cheap hw off the shelf, but depends what sw config is worth it to you. 2021-07-07T00:48:07 < zyp> well, either dedicated hardware, or software that'd run on the mentioned rpi solution 2021-07-07T00:48:11 < karlp> I think anybus and moxa both have hw options, and you can of course buy one of our gateways, which does the same thing. 2021-07-07T00:48:25 < karlp> for sw, we've never open sourced ours, but there's another one that came out recently. 2021-07-07T00:48:27 < karlp> let me dig it up 2021-07-07T00:49:26 < zyp> I seem to recall pymodbus can let me hook together a server and a client to act as a proxy? 2021-07-07T00:50:26 < karlp> yeah, you can do it with pymodbus, and I think umodbus too, but nor sure it's an out of the box solution 2021-07-07T00:50:43 < karlp> tehre's a C imple bnased on on libmodbus that just has a config file for mapping, 2021-07-07T00:50:57 < karlp> and we butil our own on libmodbus too, one sec, can't seem to find it yet. 2021-07-07T00:52:20 < zyp> I think this is what I were thinking of: https://pymodbus.readthedocs.io/en/latest/source/library/pymodbus.datastore.html#module-pymodbus.datastore.remote 2021-07-07T00:52:43 < karlp> yeah, I've never tried that personalyl though. 2021-07-07T00:52:47 < zyp> if I'm reading that right, just create a serial client, pass it to the remote context, pass the context to the server 2021-07-07T00:52:56 < karlp> mbusd! foudn it 2021-07-07T00:53:08 < karlp> https://github.com/3cky/mbusd 2021-07-07T00:53:11 < zyp> ah, nice 2021-07-07T00:53:20 < karlp> (haven't tried, but it looks ~equivalent to what we built and use internalyl) 2021-07-07T00:54:11 < zyp> perfect, complete with systemd support as well 2021-07-07T00:54:22 < karlp> that one bypasses libmodbus, as libmodbus is missing a few things to make this "easy" for some of the less common function codes. 2021-07-07T00:56:23 < zyp> this is for my HVAC thing that I've been messing around with before, was planning to write a translator to mqtt, but I'm evidently too lazy to do that and since home-assistant got modbus support anyway I might as well just map up the registers there instead 2021-07-07T00:56:48 < zyp> but I don't want to run rs485 over to the box that's running home-assistant 2021-07-07T00:56:53 < karlp> yeah, fuck that. 2021-07-07T00:57:01 < karlp> modbus tcp is way more convenient. 2021-07-07T00:57:18 < karlp> and modbus tcp allows you to buy all sorts of snake oils to go on top.... 2021-07-07T00:58:03 < karlp> only reason to go to mqtt first is if you really want/need more data consumers, and the modbus device doesn't like/allow multiple/higher rates of requests. 2021-07-07T00:58:40 < karlp> though we just do it all the time anyway, as providing a "standard" json blob of converted values in si units is easier to work with than having the registers and formats into every consumer... 2021-07-07T00:59:07 < zyp> nah, the main reason mqtt would be better is that everything don't have to be centrally polled 2021-07-07T00:59:38 < karlp> well, someone still has to, 2021-07-07T00:59:39 < zyp> that's the main disadvantage with a dumber translator to modbus/tcp, it doesn't let the translator offload the polling work 2021-07-07T00:59:40 < karlp> but yeah, 2021-07-07T01:00:10 < karlp> collectd can also read out modbus devices directly, hass can use that too iirc? 2021-07-07T01:00:20 < karlp> and collectd will automatically give you the "other" shit that it does. 2021-07-07T01:00:30 < karlp> lots of overlapping stacks :) 2021-07-07T01:00:35 < zyp> perhaps, haven't looked into collectd 2021-07-07T01:01:07 < karlp> I've been meaning to try subbing out our stuff for mbusd, see how well it works, but not really much of a priority for me :) let me know if it works well for you :) 2021-07-07T01:03:39 < zyp> yeah, if I get around to set up the rpi :) 2021-07-07T01:04:29 < karlp> heh, I have an opi here I'm about to setup hass on, for some summer house monitoring 2021-07-07T01:08:23 -!- ventYl [~ventyl@bband-dyn245.95-103-101.t-com.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-07T01:12:19 < karlp> go amazon: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/R81jJ.png 2021-07-07T01:48:56 -!- rektide [~rektide@eldergods.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T02:38:10 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-07T02:41:58 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-07T02:42:05 -!- splud [~noneya.bi@user/splud] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-07T02:43:30 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T03:00:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-07T03:08:03 < bitmask> hmm what do i work on now 2021-07-07T03:40:09 -!- splud [~noneya.bi@user/splud] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T03:44:49 -!- splud [~noneya.bi@user/splud] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-07T03:45:16 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-07T03:46:51 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T03:48:18 -!- splud [~noneya.bi@user/splud] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T04:10:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-07T05:53:33 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T06:19:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T06:54:38 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-07T07:01:11 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T07:23:28 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-07T07:29:13 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-07T07:56:29 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-07T09:19:51 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T09:20:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-07T09:20:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T09:35:09 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-07T10:28:37 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@adsl-dyn106.78-98-106.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T12:18:35 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-07T12:23:25 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-07T12:25:54 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T12:27:08 < PaulFertser> Hm, AT32F403 is a new clone of F103? 2021-07-07T12:29:35 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-07T12:29:35 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-07T12:36:17 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T12:36:17 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-07T12:36:17 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T12:45:41 < qyx> sounds exactly like STM32D11 2021-07-07T13:22:38 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T13:22:39 < Laurenceb> supp 2021-07-07T13:22:45 < Laurenceb> anyone here used CAN bus? 2021-07-07T13:23:09 < Laurenceb> I'm wondering about RTR bit, can RTR be set on a packet with data payload or will that break everything? 2021-07-07T13:23:51 < Laurenceb> traction controllers are making me reeeeee 2021-07-07T13:24:15 < Laurenceb> they have CAN hardware that always ACKs, so I need software ACK to get reliable data exchange 2021-07-07T13:24:44 < Laurenceb> problem is if I ACK each received packet with a CAN frame, what it if is lost in transit? 2021-07-07T13:24:54 < Laurenceb> I think I need a sequence bit as well as soft ACK 2021-07-07T13:25:09 < Laurenceb> but 7 7/8 bits of payload is just lame 2021-07-07T13:25:20 < Laurenceb> *bytes 2021-07-07T13:26:18 < emeryth> how can a CAN frame be lost in transit? 2021-07-07T13:26:48 < Laurenceb> random glitches, CRC failure 2021-07-07T13:27:00 < Laurenceb> atm this bus has a ~0.1% loss rate 2021-07-07T13:27:31 < jpa-> maybe you should fix that 2021-07-07T13:27:38 < Laurenceb> shrug 2021-07-07T13:28:18 < Laurenceb> software should be robust enough to cope with a data link thats very slightly unreliable 2021-07-07T13:28:37 < Laurenceb> but I need to write the software 2021-07-07T13:30:02 < jpa-> if you get 0.1% loss in your test environment, you'll end up being unlucky and get 10% loss when shipped to customer 2021-07-07T13:30:22 < Laurenceb> also shrug 2021-07-07T13:30:33 < ventyl> Laurenceb: as I understand it, RTR is "pull request" 2021-07-07T13:30:37 < Laurenceb> but I seriously doubt it will be that much worse 2021-07-07T13:30:55 < ventyl> and IIRC, at least FDCAN has hard limitation, that RTR frame cannot have payload 2021-07-07T13:31:00 < Laurenceb> ah ok 2021-07-07T13:31:09 < Laurenceb> yeah I want to make this cross compatible 2021-07-07T13:31:13 < ventyl> you set RTR and DLC to indicate, how much data you expect to receive 2021-07-07T13:31:22 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-07T13:31:37 < Laurenceb> hmm I could set the LSB of the ID 2021-07-07T13:31:51 < Laurenceb> alternating 010101 2021-07-07T13:31:56 < Laurenceb> USB uses this method 2021-07-07T13:32:06 < ventyl> if you are using plain CAN and you are sure there won't be any FDCAN HW, you can use DLC values >8 to carry additional information 2021-07-07T13:32:15 < Laurenceb> (alternating sequence id, not LSB of ID) 2021-07-07T13:32:27 < Laurenceb> oooohhhh nice plan 2021-07-07T13:32:29 < Laurenceb> I like it 2021-07-07T13:32:40 < Laurenceb> yeah there are 4 bits of DLC 2021-07-07T13:32:45 < ventyl> what exact problem are you trying to solve? 2021-07-07T13:32:47 < Laurenceb> why did they even do that? 2021-07-07T13:33:02 < Laurenceb> ventyl: JSON over CAN (dont laugh) 2021-07-07T13:33:21 < ventyl> DLC is probably 4 bits long, so the whole message pads to length divisible by 8 2021-07-07T13:33:24 < Laurenceb> web20pointzero guy likes his JSON 2021-07-07T13:33:38 < ventyl> and there was no other useful place to stuff one exceeding bit 2021-07-07T13:33:50 < ventyl> did you hear about CanTp? 2021-07-07T13:33:57 < Laurenceb> no? 2021-07-07T13:34:09 < ventyl> CanTp does what you need, and socketcan has native support for it 2021-07-07T13:34:18 < Laurenceb> ok I'll see 2021-07-07T13:34:22 < ventyl> downside is, that CanTp is only defined for CAN, not FDCAN 2021-07-07T13:34:26 < Laurenceb> but Traction controller doesnt run lunix 2021-07-07T13:34:49 < ventyl> chevy corvette retractable rooftop neither ;) 2021-07-07T13:34:56 < ventyl> cantp is quite simple protocol 2021-07-07T13:35:19 < Laurenceb> oh yeah 2021-07-07T13:35:27 < Laurenceb> and traction controller is programmed in labview 2021-07-07T13:35:29 < Laurenceb> lolling 2021-07-07T13:35:36 < ventyl> busted. 2021-07-07T13:35:54 < qyx> json over cantp? 2021-07-07T13:36:06 < Laurenceb> I dunno 2021-07-07T13:36:12 < ventyl> how is that worse than protobuf over cantp? 2021-07-07T13:36:22 < qyx> sounds more adventurous than protobuf over cantp 2021-07-07T13:36:45 < Laurenceb> especially with labview insanity, but thats not my jerb 2021-07-07T13:36:50 < ventyl> Laurenceb: there's hard limitation of payload size inside cantp datagram to +- 4kB 2021-07-07T13:36:53 < ventyl> IIRC 2021-07-07T13:36:56 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-07T13:37:18 < Laurenceb> yeah my plan was to turn can into a tcp/ip style point to point byte stream 2021-07-07T13:37:18 < ventyl> otherwise it is quite flexible. you can configure transmit rate and ACK rate 2021-07-07T13:37:45 < Laurenceb> I've got ack working really well in lunix, like 300us turnaround time 2021-07-07T13:38:09 < Laurenceb> but if the ack packet is lost there could be repeated packets, so I need to identify and discard them 2021-07-07T13:38:21 < ventyl> cantp doesn't ack every frame, that's overkill if you have fragmented data 2021-07-07T13:39:24 < ventyl> in automotive, ack is usually not even used. if something is lost during transmission, then you'll miss reply from application layer sooner or later 2021-07-07T13:41:44 < ventyl> Laurenceb: what kind of payload is inside that json? 2021-07-07T13:41:55 < ventyl> is it some kind of telemetry, or commands? 2021-07-07T13:42:02 < Laurenceb> telemetry 2021-07-07T13:42:28 < ventyl> I wouldn't ack that 2021-07-07T13:42:44 < ventyl> at least not very extensively 2021-07-07T13:44:21 < Laurenceb> looks like cantp is designed to use hardware ack 2021-07-07T13:44:31 < ventyl> not really 2021-07-07T13:45:00 < Laurenceb> well it has no resend capability 2021-07-07T13:45:10 < Laurenceb> hardware ack has auto resend 2021-07-07T13:45:11 < ventyl> you have initial frame, this always has to be "Ack"ed by control frame, where recipient may configure after how many consecutive frames, another control frame shall be expected by sender 2021-07-07T13:45:32 < Laurenceb> yeah but if there is a failure it discards everything 2021-07-07T13:45:54 < Laurenceb> cantp on top of can with hardware ack would work really well even if there were a few lost frames 2021-07-07T13:46:05 < Laurenceb> but without hardware ack it would fail 2021-07-07T13:46:37 < Laurenceb> also it looks more complex to code in labview than basic ack resend with sequence bit 2021-07-07T13:46:43 < Laurenceb> but thanks for the idea 2021-07-07T13:47:15 < Laurenceb> I'm going to try abusing DLC in Linux 2021-07-07T13:47:22 < ventyl> you can take different approach, little less real-time, but easier 2021-07-07T13:48:36 < ventyl> stack telemetry records on sender side in ring buffer and transmit them with serial ID. telemetry receiver will then periodically report last ID it successfully received 2021-07-07T13:48:55 < ventyl> in case of failure, there will be bigger wire overhead, but in case of normal traffic, the situation will be less complicated 2021-07-07T13:51:13 < ventyl> I'd expect that if you will have so high drop rate, that ring buffer will overflow, you will have much bigger problem caused by dropped control frames 2021-07-07T13:52:53 < Laurenceb> yeah I thought of that one 2021-07-07T13:53:05 < Laurenceb> but itd be a lot of work for labview monkey 2021-07-07T13:53:37 < ventyl> can't you shrink playground for labview monkey, so devices and CAN are out of scope and shim it with some bare metal C? 2021-07-07T13:53:46 < Laurenceb> heh maybe 2021-07-07T13:53:57 < Laurenceb> you can build c functions into labview aiui 2021-07-07T13:53:58 < ventyl> matlab/simulink can be combined this way with bare metal C 2021-07-07T13:54:12 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-07T13:54:58 < Laurenceb> it could be 16 length ring buffer, then receiver sends a request packet if it doesnt have a packet with an "age" >8 2021-07-07T13:55:31 < ventyl> um no, receiver would send "delivery notices" periodically 2021-07-07T13:55:53 < ventyl> then you can use missing delivery notice as a sign of communication problem 2021-07-07T13:56:12 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-07T13:56:31 < ventyl> sender will then trim tail of ring buffer based on ID present in delivery notice 2021-07-07T13:57:16 < Laurenceb> if theres a single missing packet from ~4 ago then it gets complex in that case 2021-07-07T13:57:22 < ventyl> and if ID just received is older than current - X, will rewind transmission cursor 2021-07-07T13:57:28 < ventyl> no, it doesn't ^^ 2021-07-07T13:57:57 < ventyl> you will simply resend everything since the point of one missing frame and design your physical layer so it is as robust as possible 2021-07-07T13:58:00 < Laurenceb> ok I guess 2021-07-07T13:58:27 < ventyl> this way you get a lot of overhead in case of failure, but you expect that there are almost no failures under normal conditions 2021-07-07T13:58:38 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-07T13:58:48 < Laurenceb> but transmitter doesnt need to know if its broken 2021-07-07T13:59:18 < ventyl> well, if you ask for reliable telemetry, then it needs to know that 2021-07-07T13:59:44 < ventyl> normally, transmitter would just scream into CAN and don't care if anyone is listening 2021-07-07T14:02:00 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T14:02:15 < ventyl> and one obvious, but often omitted detail: never ever let two different nodes to transmit using same CAN ID. you'll fuck up arbitration 2021-07-07T14:02:43 < Laurenceb> I know 2021-07-07T14:03:09 < Laurenceb> also a problem we have seen with soft ack: the ack id needs to have lower priority id than the transmitters 2021-07-07T14:03:22 < Laurenceb> or the transmitter with the highest priority will hug the bus 2021-07-07T14:03:27 < Laurenceb> *hog 2021-07-07T14:04:53 < Laurenceb> you need everything to be able to talk before ack is sent 2021-07-07T14:04:55 < ventyl> it pays off to schedule your communication on CAN 2021-07-07T14:06:37 < Laurenceb> actually this bus hogging issue might be a reason to go with an ack scheme 2021-07-07T14:06:39 < ventyl> so let's say you have 1kB of payload you need to send every second, which accounts for 33 CAN frames, so you'll set transmission interval to 30ms, 30*33 = 990ms for full transmission and you have a lot of idle bus time in between these frames for other communication taking place 2021-07-07T14:06:45 < Laurenceb> it resolves bus hogging issues 2021-07-07T14:08:17 < englishman> if he has 1kB of data and 0.1% BER, he'll probably never get good data 2021-07-07T14:09:33 < ventyl> well, if he has 0.1% BER, then the highest priority should be resolve that high dropout rate IMO 2021-07-07T14:09:42 < englishman> yeah, might as well go with LoRa 2021-07-07T14:09:44 < ventyl> as it also affects commands, which may be time cricital 2021-07-07T14:11:46 < ventyl> next, I would shrink amount of data as transmitting stringly typed telemetry over something as bandwidth contrained as CAN is plain lunacy 2021-07-07T14:15:52 < Laurenceb> 0.1% PER, not BEr 2021-07-07T14:15:56 < Laurenceb> >Data-length code. The number in these bits determines how many data bytes are sent or received. 2021-07-07T14:15:57 < Laurenceb> Valid value range is from 0 to 8. Values from 9 to 15 are not allowed. 2021-07-07T14:15:58 < Laurenceb> reeeee 2021-07-07T14:16:17 < Laurenceb> well thats not going to work 2021-07-07T14:16:50 < Laurenceb> will have to be the least significant bit of the address 2021-07-07T14:17:52 < ventyl> or, you can use one fact 2021-07-07T14:18:52 < ventyl> you can use ID, which is 29 bits long, but 12th and higher bits are set to 0, which means, that numerically ID will fit within 11 bit ID 2021-07-07T14:19:16 < ventyl> you can then check if ID was extended or not 2021-07-07T14:19:28 < ventyl> at least in controller, not sure about socketcan 2021-07-07T14:19:49 < Laurenceb> socketcan has a flag bit for extended 2021-07-07T14:20:17 < ventyl> I considered this as a way of formation of side channels 2021-07-07T14:20:26 < ventyl> but then abandonned idea of side channels completely 2021-07-07T14:20:27 < Laurenceb> interesting 2021-07-07T14:20:46 < Laurenceb> well 11bit with sequence bit would allow 1023 devices, probably ok 2021-07-07T14:21:04 < Laurenceb> there will only be a few devices on each network, but they are intended to be swappable 2021-07-07T14:22:05 < ventyl> hm, such side channels fuck arbitration up a lot as there is a lot of zeroes, which effectively pushes out any high priority communication 2021-07-07T15:10:18 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T15:14:21 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-07T15:19:47 < englishman> is SRAM always initialized at 0? or are there some devices that initialize to 1? not talking about stm32 specifically, but SRAM devices in general 2021-07-07T15:19:59 < englishman> i guess this would depend on the compiler/linker as well? 2021-07-07T15:20:22 < fenugrec> on reset I don't think you can make any assumption about contents of ram 2021-07-07T15:20:24 < ventyl> bss is usually guarranteed to be zero initialized 2021-07-07T15:20:27 < fenugrec> but anything in .bss will be zeord 2021-07-07T15:20:29 < ventyl> by startup code 2021-07-07T15:20:40 < englishman> hmm, good point 2021-07-07T15:20:52 < ventyl> rest is random garbage 2021-07-07T15:20:58 < englishman> i wonder if generally it's random data or mostly 0s or 1s 2021-07-07T15:21:42 < fenugrec> probably low-quality randomness with some bias depending on silicon 2021-07-07T15:21:48 < ventyl> random data, given by what landed in silicone, in what state multivibration will end up after being powered on 2021-07-07T15:21:55 < englishman> the larger question being, if i see a field of 0xFF, can i definitively say that it did not come from uninitialized RAM 2021-07-07T15:22:01 < englishman> i guess the answer is, yes 2021-07-07T15:22:17 < ventyl> i wouldn't bet on it 2021-07-07T15:22:21 < englishman> right. 2021-07-07T15:22:30 < fenugrec> eeh, wouldn't make important decisions based on that. Also I'll just let ventyl answer, we're saying the same things P ) 2021-07-07T15:22:53 < BrainDamage> use a longer sequence a specific piece of data 2021-07-07T15:22:54 < ventyl> statistically, distribution will most probably be normal, so you have 1:256 chance that random garbage will become 0xFF 2021-07-07T15:23:29 < BrainDamage> eg a hardcoded 128 bit sequence will be extremely unlikely to be generated by a process 2021-07-07T15:25:03 < BrainDamage> bonus points if the sequence is the hash of a meme 2021-07-07T15:28:04 < englishman> problem comes from a flash page being verified incorrectly 2021-07-07T15:28:11 < englishman> no checksum, values are simply compared 2021-07-07T15:28:26 < englishman> comparing float with NaN returns true, and 0xff repeated is NaN 2021-07-07T15:28:34 < englishman> software developed by an analolgue engineer. 2021-07-07T15:28:37 < fenugrec> haahah nice 2021-07-07T15:28:42 < fenugrec> but ram != flash 2021-07-07T15:29:34 < englishman> right, there are for example 3 chars of data stored in a 4-char array, so sometimes we see 0x00 as the last byte (init'd in ram) or 0xff (init'd likely in flash, but maybe also sram) 2021-07-07T15:29:40 < englishman> trying to debug when, exactly 2021-07-07T15:29:58 < fenugrec> o nice 2021-07-07T15:30:23 < fenugrec> you could tweak your .ld file and taint the whole ram with 0x55 or something more recognizable than ff 2021-07-07T15:30:37 < englishman> battery powered device as well, so i'm not sure if sram is ever depowered, not familiar with msp420 sleep modes 2021-07-07T15:30:46 < englishman> haha :) 2021-07-07T15:31:11 < englishman> i like it 2021-07-07T15:31:37 < BrainDamage> doesn't msp420 have fram? 2021-07-07T15:31:49 < BrainDamage> that one holds data in power off too 2021-07-07T15:32:01 < englishman> not all of them afaik 2021-07-07T15:32:03 < BrainDamage> on brownout it backups to permanent storage 2021-07-07T15:32:05 < englishman> but good point 2021-07-07T15:32:08 < englishman> maybe it is all of them 2021-07-07T15:33:15 < BrainDamage> worth checking for that specific device anyway 2021-07-07T15:34:15 < MrMobius> the ones with FR in the name have fram 2021-07-07T15:34:25 < englishman> it's SRAM 2021-07-07T15:34:36 < englishman> looks like FRAM replaces the flash, not the SRAM 2021-07-07T15:35:25 < MrMobius> i think it's limited to 8mhz or so 2021-07-07T15:46:50 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-07T15:48:15 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T16:06:47 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-07T16:16:58 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-07T16:28:06 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T16:53:22 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-07T17:23:00 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T17:23:00 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-07T17:23:00 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T17:29:27 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T17:40:14 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-07T17:56:24 < qyx> limited to 8 MHz and no multiplication 2021-07-07T17:59:00 < tct> The take on ada is interesting: http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/humor/shoot-self-in-foot.html 2021-07-07T18:16:10 < qyx> Linux You shoot yourself in the foot with a Gnu 2021-07-07T18:16:12 < qyx> hah 2021-07-07T18:16:26 < tct> the UNIX one is pretty good too 2021-07-07T18:18:20 < qyx> I was about to say that too 2021-07-07T18:22:10 < BrainDamage> i have rm aliased to trash-put for that very reason 2021-07-07T18:22:31 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T18:26:23 < mawk> Steffann 2021-07-07T18:26:34 < mawk> how do you say "chemistry supplies" or whatever in dutch 2021-07-07T18:26:37 < mawk> what do I put into google 2021-07-07T18:26:50 < mawk> I need glassware 2021-07-07T18:51:04 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T19:08:03 < tct> are you going to manufacture gun powder to shoot journalists in the head? 2021-07-07T19:10:05 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-07T19:12:42 < tct> mawk, gf says: Chemische benodigdheden 2021-07-07T19:13:16 < mawk> thanks 2021-07-07T19:13:20 < mawk> no tct just drugs 2021-07-07T19:13:53 < mawk> I need a few béchers, stirring stuff, heating stuff, vials 2021-07-07T19:14:02 < tct> mawk, gf also says: *scheikundige benodigdheden 2021-07-07T19:14:05 < tct> "is better" 2021-07-07T19:14:23 < BrainDamage> if you could make your own methadone you could probably simplify your life a bit 2021-07-07T19:17:02 < mawk> I'm sure it's a prank now tct 2021-07-07T19:17:12 < mawk> that probably means "future inmate glassware" 2021-07-07T19:17:49 < mawk> yes BrainDamage 2021-07-07T19:17:55 < mawk> but it's a quite complex synthesis 2021-07-07T19:18:02 < mawk> it's fully synthetic even I think 2021-07-07T19:18:09 < karlp> englishman: yeah, I've seen startup codez that zeroed bss, and also painted all the rest of sram with various patterns. I think it's even a configurable standard option in freertos... 2021-07-07T19:18:13 < mawk> not poppy derived 2021-07-07T19:19:28 < Steffann> I would have said "chemische" toe mawk 2021-07-07T19:20:08 < Steffann> To. 2021-07-07T19:20:31 < Steffann> Since "scheikunde" == "chemie" 2021-07-07T19:24:28 < Steffann> I would probably look for something like "laboratorium materiaal" > lab equipment 2021-07-07T19:25:15 < Steffann> Go buy, mawk: https://www.eurofysica.nl/webshop/laboratorium-materiaal 2021-07-07T19:26:37 < BrainDamage> i like how there's beermaking stuff in the mid of all that chemistry equipment 2021-07-07T19:30:05 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T19:32:01 < bitmask> good afternoon peeps 2021-07-07T19:32:38 < tct> hi 2021-07-07T19:32:42 < tct> thanks for joining in. 2021-07-07T19:34:43 -!- Steffann [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-07T19:35:29 < mawk> lol 2021-07-07T19:35:31 < mawk> thabks 2021-07-07T19:35:37 < mawk> thanks steff a n n 2021-07-07T19:35:41 < mawk> and tct 2021-07-07T19:35:54 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T19:37:15 < tct> happy to help. 2021-07-07T19:37:41 < mawk> thanks Steffanx 2021-07-07T19:41:08 < mawk> uncalibrated ph meter is rubbish 2021-07-07T19:41:16 < mawk> why does it need cal BrainDamage 2021-07-07T19:41:24 < mawk> it's a glass electrode inside apparently 2021-07-07T19:42:07 < mawk> there's some water inside, and a dangling wire 2021-07-07T19:42:15 < englishman> they need cal rather often 2021-07-07T19:42:25 < mawk> if it's calibrated once and nothing moves why should they need recalibration 2021-07-07T19:42:43 < englishman> changing charge on the glass part 2021-07-07T19:42:46 < englishman> or something 2021-07-07T19:42:48 < mawk> ah 2021-07-07T19:42:51 < englishman> chemical shit 2021-07-07T19:42:55 < mawk> weird 2021-07-07T19:42:58 < englishman> yes 2021-07-07T19:42:59 < fenugrec> measuring ph is a bitch 2021-07-07T19:43:02 < englishman> ^^ 2021-07-07T19:43:04 < mawk> charges on the glass should vanish quickly 2021-07-07T19:43:34 < englishman> the ph strips i have for the hot tub diverge from my electronic ph meter readings after about 3 months 2021-07-07T19:43:45 < tct> depending on the industry you're in they also just really love to send a calibration team to you every couple of months followed by an invoice :p 2021-07-07T19:43:47 < fenugrec> also, if you got a ~ cheap 0-14 electronic ph meter (with the glass vial), don't try it in concentrated HCl. They don't like negative pH (because that's a thing) 2021-07-07T19:44:09 < tct> $company is doing PH sensor calibrations every 8 weeks 2021-07-07T19:44:15 < bitmask> if you make a solenoid and attach the rod to a spring and slowly increase the current can you get a smooth motion? 2021-07-07T19:44:39 < mawk> my company is designing a soil ph meter 2021-07-07T19:44:45 < mawk> without recalibration apparently 2021-07-07T19:44:51 < mawk> stays in the ground 5 years 2021-07-07T19:44:58 < mawk> I wonder if it's even possible 2021-07-07T19:45:41 < tct> bitmask, solenoids and slow/smooth motion are usually not things that go together that well 2021-07-07T19:45:59 < mawk> maybe with gears tct 2021-07-07T19:46:09 < mawk> slow movement with big reduction or whatever 2021-07-07T19:46:12 < bitmask> i dont have a lot/any experience with them, but i thought my idea would help 2021-07-07T19:46:27 < tct> mawk, if you go through the efforts of introducing gears into a solenoid based mechanism you'll likely be able to do it without a solenoid to begin with :p 2021-07-07T19:46:38 < mawk> lol 2021-07-07T19:46:39 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-07T19:46:53 < mawk> if you don't write pH you go to hell tct and englishman 2021-07-07T19:46:58 < mawk> not ph nor PH 2021-07-07T19:47:04 < bitmask> i guess i'll make one later and play with it and see how it behaves 2021-07-07T19:47:07 < mawk> → h e l l 2021-07-07T19:47:13 < bitmask> maybe i'll get some better ideas 2021-07-07T19:47:43 < mawk> maybe using a spring to load the "motor" 2021-07-07T19:47:53 < mawk> so the movement is impended and smoother 2021-07-07T19:47:53 < bitmask> thats what i said 2021-07-07T19:47:55 < mawk> but takes more power 2021-07-07T19:47:58 < mawk> ah 2021-07-07T19:48:07 < mawk> then I guess it will work 2021-07-07T19:48:16 < mawk> if we both had the same idea it must be a good one 2021-07-07T19:48:21 < bitmask> heh 2021-07-07T19:48:34 < bitmask> maybe you read it and just stole the idea without realizing :P 2021-07-07T19:48:46 < mawk> lol 2021-07-07T19:48:57 < mawk> no I didn't read it, my screen is small 2021-07-07T19:49:00 < mawk> I was scrolled up 2021-07-07T19:49:04 < mawk> or down rather 2021-07-07T19:49:11 < bitmask> :) 2021-07-07T19:49:36 < bitmask> man i wanna finish my cloud chamber but i gotta wait for these standoffs 2021-07-07T19:50:12 < mawk> mexican standoffs? 2021-07-07T19:50:22 < bitmask> of course 2021-07-07T19:50:57 < bitmask> and im waiting for 18650 battery holders to power the high voltage 2021-07-07T19:51:44 < mawk> just solder thel 2021-07-07T19:51:45 < mawk> them 2021-07-07T19:51:52 < mawk> safest way 2021-07-07T19:52:05 < bitmask> safest way is spot welding 2021-07-07T19:52:13 < bitmask> soldering can damage them 2021-07-07T19:52:18 < machinehum> Is there such thing as a contact that will go from a 0.1mm normal pin to something the diameter as a needle? 2021-07-07T19:52:18 < mawk> yes I was joking 2021-07-07T19:52:28 < bitmask> but you may be right 2021-07-07T19:52:30 < ventyl> fucking idiotic moronic bosch siemens hausgerate software developers 2021-07-07T19:52:31 < bitmask> maybe i should spot weld it 2021-07-07T19:52:34 < mawk> an actual needle machinehum ? 2021-07-07T19:52:35 < ventyl> fuck fuck fuck 2021-07-07T19:52:48 < tct> machinehum, sounds like you're in business for regular needles 2021-07-07T19:52:52 < tct> damit mawk 2021-07-07T19:52:52 < machinehum> I have this PCEe connector with very small little contacts on the top 2021-07-07T19:53:02 < mawk> lol 2021-07-07T19:53:02 < machinehum> lol no just something really small diameter 2021-07-07T19:53:07 < tct> machinehum, permanent or for development/debugging? 2021-07-07T19:53:16 < machinehum> I already have lots of needles guys 2021-07-07T19:53:20 < tct> machinehum, 2021-07-07T19:53:28 < machinehum> tct: Debugging 2021-07-07T19:53:41 < machinehum> Need to get a logic analyser in there 2021-07-07T19:53:43 < tct> machinehum, https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3615910 2021-07-07T19:55:49 < machinehum> "0.30x30mm Acupuncture Needles" 2021-07-07T19:55:56 < machinehum> I need to bill it to my company lol 2021-07-07T19:56:14 < tct> works great 2021-07-07T19:56:27 < tct> nice nick btw 2021-07-07T19:56:38 < machinehum> But yeah that's pretty much exactly what I need... but just from digikey and ideally with the 0.1mm headers already on 2021-07-07T19:57:09 < tct> I doubt that you'll find something like that off-the-shelf 2021-07-07T19:57:31 < machinehum> :/ 2021-07-07T20:01:15 < machinehum> https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/phoenix-contact/1607577/4472756 2021-07-07T20:01:16 < BrainDamage> ic probes are a thing 2021-07-07T20:01:23 < BrainDamage> prepare to shell out 1k$ 2021-07-07T20:01:43 < tct> machinehum, those are like regular pogo pins 2021-07-07T20:01:47 < BrainDamage> try to search for probing stations 2021-07-07T20:02:03 < tct> BrainDamage, "probing station" is like 5k$ :p 2021-07-07T20:02:21 < tct> machinehum, if the ones you linked get the job done you might wanna look for "pogo pins" 2021-07-07T20:03:23 < machinehum> Basically I need to jam a contact in the little holes in the top here https://imgur.com/uY2Ww4s 2021-07-07T20:03:40 < machinehum> While a card is plugged in 2021-07-07T20:04:03 < tct> machinehum, that looks like you can just solder a wire on the contact of the connector (eg. the pad on the PCB)?? 2021-07-07T20:04:12 < machinehum> nah 2021-07-07T20:04:17 < machinehum> Well I could 2021-07-07T20:04:23 < machinehum> But it's all mounted and shit 2021-07-07T20:04:43 < ventyl> or get riser, put riser in between card and base and hijack signals on riser 2021-07-07T20:05:01 < tct> does it really take more time to take it out, solder wire(s) on it, put it back than to fiddle with tiny (spring loaded) needles where you're not sure whether the connection is reliable at any moment? 2021-07-07T20:06:12 < tct> also waiting for digikey delivery ;p 2021-07-07T20:06:55 < ventyl> well at least, waiting is a no-op 2021-07-07T20:07:22 < BrainDamage> is that a pci-e connector? 2021-07-07T20:07:30 < BrainDamage> because if so, there's pci-e taps 2021-07-07T20:07:37 < tct> BrainDamage thinking in terms of interception cable? 2021-07-07T20:07:42 < tct> "cable" 2021-07-07T20:07:53 < BrainDamage> yes 2021-07-07T20:08:13 < ventyl> let's see how USB charger will like 80V fed back into 5V rail 2021-07-07T20:08:23 < jpa-> yeah, if you really plan to be able to probe a lot of signals at once, the connections have to be reliable 2021-07-07T20:08:43 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-07T20:08:44 < tct> that ^ 2021-07-07T20:09:57 < machinehum> Yeah I should be able to clip my little saleae probe things to those gold contacts 2021-07-07T20:09:57 < machinehum> Any other cool shit I should buy from digikey and bill to my company? 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2021-07-07T23:28:56 < sauce> yes 2021-07-07T23:29:33 < zyp> I've looked at the syzygy standard before, I think it looks reasonable enough 2021-07-07T23:29:50 < sauce> yeah other than the connector it seems fine 2021-07-07T23:30:25 < zyp> as I see it, it fits a niche between pmod and FMC that nothing else covers 2021-07-07T23:31:12 < zyp> compared to FMC it's cheap 2021-07-07T23:31:18 < zyp> so, what's bad about it? 2021-07-07T23:36:00 < sauce> it seems pretty fragile to me but i guess the rating is 500 cycles? 2021-07-07T23:39:03 < sauce> ah it's a different series from the ones I am used to nevermind --- Day changed Thu Jul 08 2021 2021-07-08T00:27:24 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T00:29:05 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-08T00:29:09 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-08T00:31:10 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-08T00:34:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T00:38:43 < machinehum> What would anyone use that for? 2021-07-08T00:38:48 < machinehum> I didn't understand the use case 2021-07-08T00:39:27 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T00:44:33 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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It's purely because apparently, master is bad 2021-07-08T09:01:44 < Xogium> like slave and master 2021-07-08T09:02:03 < Xogium> but if it is then you might as well rename everything back to how IDE drives worked 2021-07-08T09:02:13 < R2COM> lol wat 2021-07-08T09:02:34 < R2COM> ohh 2021-07-08T09:02:54 < R2COM> fuuck... how didnt i figure that out 2021-07-08T09:02:56 < R2COM> lmao 2021-07-08T09:03:05 < Xogium> ;) 2021-07-08T09:03:11 < R2COM> i forgot that opensores is driven by libfags....of course 2021-07-08T09:03:18 < Xogium> it's just, ethical I think the word is ? 2021-07-08T09:03:23 < R2COM> alsto before every comit you must get out of your desk and sit on a knee 2021-07-08T09:03:40 < R2COM> what is ethical? 2021-07-08T09:03:57 < Xogium> the whole thing, it's only for that purpose 2021-07-08T09:04:30 < Xogium> might be the wrong wording though hehe 2021-07-08T09:04:40 < R2COM> but its not ethical at all 2021-07-08T09:04:44 < R2COM> its idiotism 2021-07-08T09:04:56 < steve__> it's more of a USA initiative seems like, also it's not the opensource people it's faang si valley people 2021-07-08T09:04:57 < R2COM> serves no purpose other than populism 2021-07-08T09:05:31 < R2COM> im not supporting that initiative 2021-07-08T09:06:12 < R2COM> if some thug with 9 criminal records, one of which is robbing pregnant woman by holding gun to her belly died under knee of cop, that doesnt mean I must re-write my source code, for fucks sake 2021-07-08T09:06:27 < R2COM> i swear biggest enemies of usa are inside usa... 2021-07-08T09:06:39 < steve__> you should name your master branch to slave in protest :p 2021-07-08T09:07:11 < steve__> another thing they do is "leader/follower" for situations where there actually is a master/slave relationship 2021-07-08T09:07:21 < R2COM> git branch -m MAGA 2021-07-08T09:07:39 < R2COM> yeah but fucking why 2021-07-08T09:07:52 < R2COM> wait 2021-07-08T09:07:55 < R2COM> protest to what 2021-07-08T09:07:59 < R2COM> what i need to protest against? 2021-07-08T09:09:49 < Xogium> I litterally just left mine to master and did not bother 2021-07-08T09:10:04 < steve__> writing the word master is one thing but writing the word slave in code is getting close to being awkward. perhaps analgaous to abreviating "int count;" to a shorter, 4 letter word. you woulnd't do that. 2021-07-08T09:10:56 < R2COM> i wouldnt do that cuz cunt is not count 2021-07-08T09:10:58 < Xogium> I mean it's just code ffs 2021-07-08T09:11:07 < R2COM> but why wouldnt I write slave? 2021-07-08T09:11:09 < R2COM> why? 2021-07-08T09:11:17 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T09:11:31 < R2COM> i hope you trolling 2021-07-08T09:12:26 < steve__> because you're ashamed of your country's past and you have multiple coworkers of african or native descent 2021-07-08T09:12:32 < Xogium> it's like what I said with IDE earlier, or midi keyboards, there's master and slave there as well so, they might as well go all the way or not do it at all. It is just ridiculous 2021-07-08T09:13:04 < R2COM> 1) I'm not ashamed cuz I'm not originally from murica 2021-07-08T09:14:13 < steve__> ok then you're good to go, litter it up. you must not have any american coworkers under the age of 30 lol 2021-07-08T09:14:23 < R2COM> 2) Lemme educate you... did you actually know that during those times when slavery was practicing, it was the african leaders who been selling their people to europeans? know why? cuz they been doing it to themselves as well during short wars and conflicts. and it was the main type of interaction with europeans 2021-07-08T09:14:53 < R2COM> i.e. vast majority of cases of slavery were initiated by blacks selling blacks to someone else, sometimes blacks too or arabs 2021-07-08T09:15:28 < jpa-> getting rid of "master" in technical literature is great for me, because there never was a good translation of master to finish 2021-07-08T09:15:31 < jpa-> *finnish 2021-07-08T09:15:57 < steve__> yikes we got a facist :\ 2021-07-08T09:16:00 < Xogium> to me honestly, master and slave in that context are meaningless… It's just words. I don't associate master branch with anything in relation with slavery or whatever 2021-07-08T09:16:23 < jpa-> steve__: you only now noticed it? try discussing gun policy next :) 2021-07-08T09:16:30 < R2COM> you are troll of lvl 999 2021-07-08T09:17:00 < steve__> lol i did, i am so bored. usually only interested in on-topic 2021-07-08T09:17:06 < R2COM> but you are uneducated...really... its pathetic. you need to know terminology of a word before applying it. please see what means fascism 2021-07-08T09:18:24 < R2COM> i stated historical reality, which cant be denied... 2021-07-08T09:18:29 < steve__> well there's known trolls here but maybe i'm not hip to the meta. 2021-07-08T09:18:30 < R2COM> so stating obvious means racist? 2021-07-08T09:19:31 < R2COM> people nowadays are really..... not smart 2021-07-08T09:20:18 < jpa-> people have never been fully "smart" 2021-07-08T09:20:32 < R2COM> indeed... in fact most people are really dumb 2021-07-08T09:20:55 < R2COM> which is why I think that absolute democracy is really a bad thing 2021-07-08T09:21:03 < jpa-> and communication has always been like that, if you present a mostly irrelevant fact that is commonly used by some group of people, you get associated with them 2021-07-08T09:21:24 < R2COM> you talking about my fact? 2021-07-08T09:21:35 < jpa-> R2COM: you have to realize though, you yourself are not really as smart as you think either 2021-07-08T09:21:57 < R2COM> im definitely not Maxwell, of course. 2021-07-08T09:22:52 < R2COM> but I have enough brains to bring historical argument highlighing the fact that slavery was initiated and kept active by black population of africa, when confronted with the arguments like "we have to be ashamed of past" 2021-07-08T09:23:01 < R2COM> so..that was very relevant fact 2021-07-08T09:23:06 < jpa-> and yes, i think history of slavery is mostly irrelevant to the use of master/slave nowadays; it is all a matter of whether it offends someone, and whether offending them should be avoided or not 2021-07-08T09:23:26 < R2COM> well... if someone is offended, it is his problem 2021-07-08T09:23:54 < steve__> branch 0 sounds good, less characters to type 2021-07-08T09:24:02 < jpa-> yeah, that is a common viewpoint of those who don't support getting rid of the terminology; usually they quote that "those who are easily offended ..." 2021-07-08T09:24:17 < R2COM> and they are right 2021-07-08T09:24:29 < R2COM> you know why? - cuz theres infinite number of things which can get many people offended 2021-07-08T09:24:43 < R2COM> this is just one, theres sooo...many more...nationalities, ethnic, conflicts etc etc etc 2021-07-08T09:24:46 < steve__> you seem offended 2021-07-08T09:24:48 < jpa-> and yet, there is a lot of people who consider that there is no point intentionally offending others, and that the quote is stupid; and they are right according to other people with that opinion 2021-07-08T09:24:49 < R2COM> 10001 ways to offend 2021-07-08T09:25:27 < R2COM> intentionally offending? of course... but noone does that 2021-07-08T09:25:59 < R2COM> do you see intentional offending of blakcs by whites in mass quantities nowadays? i dont think so 2021-07-08T09:25:59 < jpa-> when you know that a specific term offends a group of people, and keep using it, it becomes intentional 2021-07-08T09:26:17 < R2COM> of course there are some small amount of rogue people like that...but thats the case with any issue 2021-07-08T09:27:13 < jpa-> but the stupid quote even promotes intentionally offending people, just because "they are easily offended" - and some interpret it exactly like that, as if that would somehow make things better 2021-07-08T09:27:18 < R2COM> i used it before, and suddenly in 2020 i cannot because now that group of stupid people decided I need to change my format? 2021-07-08T09:27:25 < R2COM> that sounds imbecilistic 2021-07-08T09:28:19 < steve__> lol he's so pissed, this was like atleast a year or 2 ago 2021-07-08T09:28:21 < R2COM> well...excuse me my lefty "friend", it doesn't mean that we going to address every sudden demand of your easily offendable requests 2021-07-08T09:28:29 < R2COM> tomorrow youll think or remember something new 2021-07-08T09:28:44 < R2COM> and next day what? we have maybe to give all we have to you so you dont get offended or what? 2021-07-08T09:28:53 < R2COM> or maybe we should even pay you some contribution? 2021-07-08T09:29:59 < R2COM> nah im not pissed im just pointing out facts 2021-07-08T09:30:19 < R2COM> straight and simple... without any clown masks 2021-07-08T09:30:32 < jpa-> yeah, USA would probably be improved by some kind of income redistribution scheme, but that seems a long time away 2021-07-08T09:30:48 < R2COM> so my children will have to pay contribution? 2021-07-08T09:31:04 < jpa-> maybe, if your society develops in that direction 2021-07-08T09:31:12 < R2COM> lol 2021-07-08T09:31:18 < R2COM> and to whom i need to pay ? 2021-07-08T09:31:21 < jpa-> as a benefit you'll get a place where you don't have to carry a gun to be safe 2021-07-08T09:31:22 < R2COM> can you tell ? 2021-07-08T09:31:40 < R2COM> thanks i dont need that benefit. lol leave it to yourself 2021-07-08T09:31:52 < R2COM> wow so thats like a mafia talk! 2021-07-08T09:31:59 < R2COM> pay us...and youll be safe 2021-07-08T09:32:08 < R2COM> funny 2021-07-08T09:32:18 < Xogium> I'm glad I don't live in the US ;) blind guy using a gun, now that would not end well 2021-07-08T09:32:21 < Xogium> :D 2021-07-08T09:32:24 < steve__> note, I would venture a guess that about ~0.01% of repos in public or private github actually name their initial branch "main" or renamed master to main. nobody's forcing you to do anything. perhaps try some hemmorhoid cream 2021-07-08T09:32:26 < jpa-> i'm not sure how average USA citizen is like, but it seems that many are not satisfied with the current situation in your country 2021-07-08T09:33:01 < R2COM> well yes, this country is getting into a shithole, not going to argue on that 2021-07-08T09:33:08 < R2COM> and reason for that is liberalism 2021-07-08T09:33:18 < steve__> lol 2021-07-08T09:34:31 < R2COM> your last sentence ending just showed your iq, and indicated that you actually are hurt 2021-07-08T09:34:33 < sauce> you seem pretty mad for someone calling others easily offended 2021-07-08T09:35:06 < sauce> oh we're already working that angle, carry on 2021-07-08T09:36:02 < R2COM> sorry guys...maybe its cuz i now installed linux in vm and somehow picked up Torvald's attitude 2021-07-08T09:36:14 < R2COM> or is Torvalds getting softer nowadays 2021-07-08T09:36:43 < Xogium> he's softer, yes. Maybe not by much, but he is. He actually went to anger management, afaik 2021-07-08T09:37:07 < jpa-> R2COM: USA being so divided is actually scary for the rest of the world; it wouldn't be that bad if it just went the ultra-liberal-woke-direction or ultra-capitalistic-direction, but the most effective way to solve internal conflicts in USA seems to be to start a war somewhere else in the world ;) 2021-07-08T09:37:35 < steve__> i wonder if this issue could be used to get the trumpies interested in tech 2021-07-08T09:37:44 < R2COM> jpa- maybe we should invade your motherland Finland? 2021-07-08T09:37:46 < R2COM> during winter 2021-07-08T09:38:06 < Xogium> now look who's trolling 2021-07-08T09:38:19 < jpa-> R2COM: yeah, that would be shitty; it would end up being a warzone between russia and USA for decades 2021-07-08T09:38:52 < R2COM> my grandpa tried attacking you long ago... he said it sucked 2021-07-08T09:39:16 < R2COM> grandpas' brother, great grandfather 2021-07-08T09:39:47 < jpa-> really? i thought the official position in russia was that finland attacked and they just defended ;) 2021-07-08T09:39:58 < R2COM> ahh 2021-07-08T09:40:56 < R2COM> rite 2021-07-08T09:41:15 < R2COM> it was soviet union, not russia tho 2021-07-08T09:41:32 < R2COM> i dont think russia is able to attack anyone nowadays 2021-07-08T09:41:47 < R2COM> perhaps some small shithole country only 2021-07-08T09:42:06 < jpa-> like ukraine 2021-07-08T09:42:16 < R2COM> even there they broke teeth 2021-07-08T09:42:38 < R2COM> massive attack on mariupol was stopped and unification on land with crimea didnt happen 2021-07-08T09:42:46 < jpa-> average russian is just pissed that they have to smuggle cheese from finland to get anything decent 2021-07-08T09:43:37 < jpa-> https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/1920/c6a1152bcfae410c8b4c6799c13704ca.jpg 2021-07-08T09:44:13 < jpa-> https://is.mediadelivery.fi/img/978/2056375f3e614c5c930a01102c65ba02.jpg 2021-07-08T09:45:15 < R2COM> but european leaders so corrupt that they all got bribed by russia 2021-07-08T09:46:03 < R2COM> given this, sometimes i wonder why to even protect them with nato 2021-07-08T09:46:41 < R2COM> see jpa-... my taxes go to make sure that you wake up in a free country 2021-07-08T09:46:48 < R2COM> so you should thank me every time i join this chat 2021-07-08T09:47:14 < jpa-> do you think nato would do more for Finland than it did for Ukraine? after all we are not a member either 2021-07-08T09:49:29 < R2COM> for nato to do it, there must be unity. but you got faggot macron and old whore merkel, leaders of most important EU countries siding with russia and resisting or sabotaging every attempt to contain it...so given that... unfortunately, nato most likely will abandon you 2021-07-08T09:49:31 < R2COM> yeah... 2021-07-08T09:49:38 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-08T09:50:05 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-08T09:50:57 < jpa-> nato will be a great excuse for USA to join the fun parts of a war, without risking their own civilians and without having to worry about the long-term consequences 2021-07-08T09:51:08 < R2COM> plus strange thing happened... liberal degenerates here been moaning about trump being soft with russia etc... and waited for biden to come out and "punish" russia... biden even gave that scanadil interview which looked strong where he called putin killer....BUT....later he *invited* him and ... guess that, all good and done... 2021-07-08T09:51:47 < R2COM> so its like...if you call him killer...what you discuss with killer 2021-07-08T09:51:56 < R2COM> total fiasco 2021-07-08T09:52:02 < jpa-> "hey, could you stop killing?" 2021-07-08T09:52:11 < R2COM> yeah right... 2021-07-08T09:52:35 < R2COM> btw russian internal propaganda already managed to successfully push the idea of diplomatic victory to own people 2021-07-08T09:52:36 < jpa-> or, "hey look, we have our own killing and other operations also, but we are more sneaky about it, could you be also?" 2021-07-08T09:52:53 < R2COM> nah 2021-07-08T09:53:42 < R2COM> and that recent Defender ships trip? ... its now 50/50 arguments...where russians say that they did warning shots and it went away... and EU/UK says that it didnt care 2021-07-08T09:54:05 < R2COM> so...whats the point? if you see warning shots (as they themselves admitted) then you must do your own warning shot 2021-07-08T09:54:12 < R2COM> and suppress them 2021-07-08T09:54:31 < R2COM> or fucking...just hit that Su24 flying not far from it 2021-07-08T09:54:44 < R2COM> but...that requires testoterones... 2021-07-08T09:54:59 < Steffanx> I'm offended by the words R2COM and jpa- 2021-07-08T09:55:57 < R2COM> oh are you 2021-07-08T09:56:37 < R2COM> Steffanx you are from nato country, you should thank me every time i join here 2021-07-08T09:58:12 < jpa-> but, R2COM is from a nato country also, and each member state does pay taxes; so will this become a thank-you fest? and do we need a notation for the amount of thank yous relative to the contributions and individual tax amounts? 2021-07-08T09:58:28 < R2COM> no way 2021-07-08T09:58:35 < R2COM> US kicks in much more do$h 2021-07-08T09:59:21 < R2COM> remove US from Nato and it looses its actuality 2021-07-08T10:00:57 < R2COM> oh ...aside from Turkey maybe which doesnt give shit and actually fights russia directly without even asking for help 2021-07-08T10:01:02 < jpa-> USA spends 2000 USD/person on nato, netherlands spends 6600 USD/person 2021-07-08T10:01:08 < R2COM> and btw...shooting its planes 2021-07-08T10:02:02 < R2COM> nah 2021-07-08T10:02:14 < ventyl> indian scammer is calling me 2021-07-08T10:02:59 < R2COM> that was so racist 2021-07-08T10:03:10 < R2COM> and it offended me so badly 2021-07-08T10:03:45 < R2COM> jpa- whats going on... 2021-07-08T10:04:31 < R2COM> arent we now in that "stop asian hate" cancel culture thingy? 2021-07-08T10:05:02 < R2COM> or wait ...that only is for chinese right? darn... ok... sorry indians, not your time today 2021-07-08T10:34:17 < ventyl> 36 minutes and running 2021-07-08T10:34:19 < ventyl> kitboga style 2021-07-08T10:43:59 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-08T10:48:14 -!- rob_w_ [~bob@ppp-93-104-38-126.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T10:50:43 < ventyl> they gave up :> 2021-07-08T10:57:08 < Steffanx> Awh 2021-07-08T11:02:52 < ventyl> compared to what I've seen on kitboga videos, these were pretty harsh and didn't hesitate to ask for internet banking login information 2021-07-08T11:08:31 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-08T11:08:54 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T11:27:05 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-08T11:51:03 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T11:53:12 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-08T11:53:12 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@user/unmanbearpig] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T11:55:53 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T12:01:06 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-08T12:04:19 < Steffanx> Damn I should really look into this watchdog redets my NAS/server one in a while at around the same time at random days.... 2021-07-08T12:04:27 < Steffanx> Resets. 2021-07-08T12:15:41 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T12:22:32 < kakium69> your nas is rekt'd? 2021-07-08T12:27:26 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T12:29:32 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-08T12:29:40 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-08T12:45:25 < Steffanx> Nah, Google says it's more common with supermicro boards and freenas 2021-07-08T12:45:32 < Steffanx> Or truenas as its called nowadays 2021-07-08T12:52:30 < Steffanx> Is it time to get the potatoes out of the ground yet, kakium69 ? 2021-07-08T12:53:18 < ventyl> it is, ground is not frozen 2021-07-08T12:53:49 < zyp> Steffanx, it's common with supermicro boards because other boards don't have watchdogs? :p 2021-07-08T12:56:43 < Steffanx> Maybe. 2021-07-08T12:57:51 < Steffanx> Not true btw, asrock has them too. But perhaps it's more an OS issue 2021-07-08T12:58:24 < Steffanx> In combination with (specific) supermicro boards 2021-07-08T13:09:31 < Steffanx> I also should look into my bad typos. Damn it's bad 😋 2021-07-08T13:46:53 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-222-121-123.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-08T13:50:58 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-08T13:54:34 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T14:00:23 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-08T14:14:40 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T14:15:09 < mawk> you need psychotherapy for the typos Steffanx 2021-07-08T14:21:50 < zyp> typotherapy 2021-07-08T14:22:11 < BrainDamage> type theory 2021-07-08T14:39:27 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T14:39:27 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-08T14:39:27 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T14:49:35 < Steffanx> Maybe you can prescribe some drugs mawk. Maybe even home made? 2021-07-08T14:50:05 < ventyl> 9 out of 10 happiness managers would recommend cocaine 2021-07-08T14:51:53 < englishman> i recommend getting high https://i.imgur.com/DS4gKtn.jpg 2021-07-08T14:54:21 < BrainDamage> is that a passive glider or do you have a giant fan strapped to your back? 2021-07-08T14:54:26 < englishman> giant fan 2021-07-08T14:54:47 -!- rob_w_ [~bob@ppp-93-104-38-126.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-08T14:55:06 -!- rob_w_ [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T14:55:12 < BrainDamage> great to dispose annoying guests too I'd wager 2021-07-08T15:07:38 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T15:27:25 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-33-155.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-08T15:49:11 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T16:01:23 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T16:01:25 < Laurenceb> http is so slowwww 2021-07-08T16:01:35 < Laurenceb> fuck Tim Bernerds-Lee 2021-07-08T16:01:46 < Laurenceb> not that he actually ever did any real work 2021-07-08T16:02:00 < Laurenceb> >query local status page with wget = 60ms 2021-07-08T16:02:09 < Laurenceb> >query local status page with custom c code = 20ms 2021-07-08T16:02:12 < Laurenceb> still too slow 2021-07-08T16:03:19 < Streaker> how much of that is the http daemon? 2021-07-08T16:03:51 < specing> Laurenceb probably uses slowpatche 2021-07-08T16:04:45 < specing> wget reports 0s for retrieving index from local nginx 2021-07-08T16:04:57 < specing> no idea how to make it display nanoseconds 2021-07-08T16:04:58 < Laurenceb> this is onboard hyperloop 2021-07-08T16:05:15 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/07/video-of-berners-lees-5-4m-nft-hints-another-exists-with-an-error/ 2021-07-08T16:05:17 < Laurenceb> so Raspberry pi computer module -> switch -> WAN backhaul unit 2021-07-08T16:05:38 < Laurenceb> also passenger wifi now goes over same ethernet as traction controller backhaul 2021-07-08T16:05:41 < Laurenceb> what could go wrong... 2021-07-08T16:06:14 < BrainDamage> i can hit shit on my ethernet, through a wifi AND a vpn tunnel in less a millisecond 2021-07-08T16:06:16 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: wtf the state of him 2021-07-08T16:06:20 < BrainDamage> you're doing it rong 2021-07-08T16:20:42 < bitmask> hmm, how ductile is lead sheet, if I line a cylinder with it can i bend the edge out to be perpendicular to the cylinder lining section to cover the top 2021-07-08T16:20:43 < bitmask> or would i have to snip the edge and fold over piece by piece, not creating full coverage 2021-07-08T16:24:52 < BrainDamage> the answer is ofc, it depends 2021-07-08T16:25:00 < bitmask> heh ok 2021-07-08T16:25:15 < bitmask> it will be delivered soon, i'll just have to play with it 2021-07-08T16:25:15 < BrainDamage> thickness vs bending radius 2021-07-08T16:25:30 < bitmask> 1/32" 2021-07-08T16:25:37 < bitmask> not sure the bending radius, not really important 2021-07-08T16:27:06 < BrainDamage> 1mm? that's plenty malleable 2021-07-08T16:27:24 < BrainDamage> will just be a bit stiffer than solder wire 2021-07-08T16:27:29 < bitmask> oh ok 2021-07-08T16:27:47 < bitmask> I figured thinner was easier and id just do two layers if I have enough sheeting 2021-07-08T16:27:50 < bitmask> though i may not 2021-07-08T16:28:45 < karlp> jpa-: what's the back story on that cheese smuggling? seems a risky business, for what can't be a huge margin? 2021-07-08T16:29:24 < bitmask> sounds like the canadian maple syrup heist 2021-07-08T16:30:16 < jpa-> karlp: it sells for 5 EUR/kg in Finland and 20 EUR/kg in Russia 2021-07-08T16:31:33 < jpa-> but i guess the sanctions for smuggling are in relation to the price of the goods also, so maybe it is not that big of a risk to smuggle some 100kg of cheese 2021-07-08T16:33:26 < Streaker> you can melt lead over your cooking range, so there's that too. You can cut a strip, wind it around the outside and fuse the inner and outer layers in the kitchen. 2021-07-08T16:33:47 < bitmask> can you solder to lead with regular flux? 2021-07-08T16:34:15 < Streaker> I've never done it, but I'm sure you can solder lead without flux even. 2021-07-08T16:34:38 < ventyl> yeah, lead melts and bonds to other lead happily 2021-07-08T16:34:41 < jpa-> you can probably weld lead, but with what would you solder it? 2021-07-08T16:35:00 < bitmask> cant you use regular leaded solder? 2021-07-08T16:35:07 < Streaker> with a hot air gun? 2021-07-08T16:35:15 < bitmask> with a soldering iron? 2021-07-08T16:35:22 < bitmask> oh 2021-07-08T16:35:28 < bitmask> it would suck up heat too rapidly wouldnt it 2021-07-08T16:35:36 < Streaker> or in your kitchen 2021-07-08T16:35:39 < jpa-> hmm, maybe yeah; somehow i remembered that lead melting point would be lower than that 2021-07-08T16:35:53 < bitmask> its 327C 2021-07-08T16:35:55 < jpa-> yep 2021-07-08T16:36:53 < bitmask> i think i'll try hammering it flat first 2021-07-08T16:37:08 < jpa-> what are you making? 2021-07-08T16:37:26 < bitmask> a container to hold some slightly radioactive samples for my cloud chamber 2021-07-08T16:37:40 < bitmask> probably dont even need lead for what im using but id rather be safe 2021-07-08T16:37:54 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-08T16:38:14 < jpa-> maybe just have two jars and fill the space in between with lead shots? 2021-07-08T16:38:59 < bitmask> the sheet is already arriving today, maybe im overthinking this anyway and it will be easy to do what i want. i'll just have to wait and see 2021-07-08T16:39:21 < BrainDamage> 1mm sheet will be pretty easy to work with 2021-07-08T16:39:32 < BrainDamage> you can bend it, solder it, weld it 2021-07-08T16:39:42 < BrainDamage> or even use it to sweeten your wine 2021-07-08T16:40:05 < Streaker> or wrap a dead body 2021-07-08T16:40:59 < bitmask> i was thinking a double walled cylinder with the lead innbetween so i dont have to worry about touching it, then have screw on caps for the top/bottom and just have the lead bent at 90º at the ends of both the caps and the cylinder so it gets pushed together when closed 2021-07-08T16:42:09 < bitmask> maybe print a press die to form the cap shpae 2021-07-08T16:42:42 < BrainDamage> I'd just take two food tin cans of different size and wrap it inbetween 2021-07-08T16:42:49 < BrainDamage> it doesn't have to be snug 2021-07-08T16:47:15 < karlp> just wrap in a plastic bag. good enough for the queen and plutonium.... https://www.neimagazine.com/opinion/opinionthe-drama-of-plutonium 2021-07-08T16:53:42 < BrainDamage> plutonium is an alpha emitter, even your skin stops it 2021-07-08T16:57:01 < qyx> do you know of any linux app to realtime plot mqtt data? 2021-07-08T16:57:34 < BrainDamage> do you need a serious plot or just plotting stuff to debug? 2021-07-08T16:57:44 < BrainDamage> because mqtt explorer fits the latter 2021-07-08T16:58:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T16:59:30 < qyx> debug only 2021-07-08T17:00:35 < qyx> qtf is AppImage 2021-07-08T17:01:53 < qyx> also snap, what drugs do cause this form of misbehaving 2021-07-08T17:02:17 < qyx> is it that hard to say, hey ubuntu man, here's your deb package 2021-07-08T17:02:21 < qyx> or ppa or whatever 2021-07-08T17:02:33 < qyx> no, install using appimage! 2021-07-08T17:02:37 < jpa-> appimage is quite fine IMO 2021-07-08T17:02:39 < jpa-> just run it 2021-07-08T17:03:02 < jpa-> snap has been crappy for me, and random out-of-distribution debs usually end up with unsatisfied dependencies 2021-07-08T17:03:04 < ventyl> unmaintained bugs welcome!!! \o/ 2021-07-08T17:03:48 < qyx> npm, yarn 2021-07-08T17:03:55 < qyx> is this how 2021 looks like 2021-07-08T17:04:06 * qyx grumpy 2021-07-08T17:04:58 < BrainDamage> i'd be ok with the 300 package managers if only they'd have learned from existing ones 2021-07-08T17:05:17 < BrainDamage> instead they reinvent the wheel from 0, having to re-learn all the mistakes 2021-07-08T17:05:40 < ventyl> there are some principal limitations, you have to live with 2021-07-08T17:06:07 < BrainDamage> pip can't even upgrade all packages at oncee 2021-07-08T17:06:14 < ventyl> whose net result is that if your packages are built wrong, you may end up installing the whole gnome as a dependency for 400kB tool, just because it depends on gvfs 2021-07-08T17:06:47 < BrainDamage> I'm talking about language specific package managers 2021-07-08T17:07:33 < ventyl> i try to avoid using them 2021-07-08T17:07:45 < ventyl> not that big problem though 2021-07-08T17:07:53 < ventyl> many packages are in distro repos 2021-07-08T17:08:06 < ventyl> and if tool is written in JS, then it is as if it didn't exist at all 2021-07-08T17:12:02 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-08T17:16:23 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T17:17:41 < bitmask> woot, humira finally here 2021-07-08T17:27:59 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-08T17:57:00 < Sadale> You couldn't build those program without using their package managers tho. :( 2021-07-08T17:57:23 < Sadale> Yes, it's reproducible. Yes, it ensures that you're using the exact version of the library that the author is using. But at what cost? 2021-07-08T17:59:07 < ventyl> well, libraries should have sane versioning and stable API 2021-07-08T17:59:30 < ventyl> and fuck you if you learned how to versinon your lib at openssl 2021-07-08T17:59:43 < BrainDamage> some languages don't even have stable abi 2021-07-08T18:00:03 < ventyl> like? 2021-07-08T18:00:13 < BrainDamage> haskell/ghc 2021-07-08T18:00:25 < ventyl> that's one widely used language 2021-07-08T18:00:40 < BrainDamage> c++ also 2021-07-08T18:00:57 < BrainDamage> c++ gets stable abi only if exporting as c 2021-07-08T18:01:02 < ventyl> C++ / gcc ABI is stable for 5 major releases 2021-07-08T18:01:11 < ventyl> and it is mostly compatible with older ABI 2021-07-08T18:01:34 < ventyl> MSVC++ is binary compatible 2015 -> 2021-07-08T18:36:50 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@user/unmanbearpig] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-08T18:45:09 < karlp> huh, mqtt explorer is pretty cute. 2021-07-08T18:47:13 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T18:52:11 < karlp> turned the dishwasher on :https://bin.jvnv.net/file/sFTeY.png 2021-07-08T19:06:41 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-08T19:07:11 < mawk> classical french music https://youtu.be/TvhNtRtp1To 2021-07-08T19:07:21 < mawk> it's really the pinnacle of human creation 2021-07-08T19:07:26 < mawk> such beauty brings tears to my eyes 2021-07-08T19:07:52 < mawk> you should listen Steffanx in order to relax a bit after the day 2021-07-08T19:08:49 < Steffanx> 2 seconds and im not do relaxed anymore 2021-07-08T19:15:19 < t4nk_fn> 'do', as in doremifasollasi doooooo? 2021-07-08T19:17:30 * t4nk_fn starts a canon by himself: doremi_doremi__faaaaaa miiiii reeeeeee; doremi_doremi__faaaaaa miiiii reeeeeee; Dooooooooooooo... 2021-07-08T19:18:52 < t4nk_fn> sollll (boem boem), sooollll (boem boem), laaaasooolfaaaaa miiiiiii 2021-07-08T19:19:51 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T19:20:51 < BrainDamage> t4nk_fn: https://i.imgur.com/wWhS1n7.jpg 2021-07-08T19:21:18 < BrainDamage> do the 17th 2021-07-08T19:21:30 < Steffanx> I have to keep my typo-fu high, t4nk_fn 2021-07-08T19:31:20 < karlp> 2/2? 2021-07-08T19:32:35 < BrainDamage> it's a perfectly valid beat time, but it fell out of use 2021-07-08T19:32:58 < BrainDamage> that book tho is one that gets historically used in our music schools and retained it 2021-07-08T19:33:12 < BrainDamage> 'pozzoli' solfeges 2021-07-08T19:38:00 < t4nk_fn> though this is a piano score I'd say 2021-07-08T19:38:31 < BrainDamage> nope, it's a solfege book, it's using piano clefs tho 2021-07-08T19:38:34 < t4nk_fn> shoved under the nose of an unwilling toddler ;) 2021-07-08T19:38:57 < BrainDamage> in this case the piano clef is appropriate since the notes span both keys 2021-07-08T19:39:23 < t4nk_fn> yeah, I never like it though 2021-07-08T19:39:25 < BrainDamage> and yes, it's an ancient italian torture instrument for kids ... 2021-07-08T19:39:52 < t4nk_fn> but you get used to reading the bottom part and then adding a 3rd 2021-07-08T19:40:12 < t4nk_fn> if you're an idiot that is ;) 2021-07-08T19:40:27 < BrainDamage> i prefer it to have to count 5 - 2021-07-08T19:40:39 < mawk> clef 2021-07-08T19:51:10 < t4nk_fn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWDZGfEx3f0&t=94s ( I was singing you this btw.) 2021-07-08T19:52:33 < t4nk_fn> their pronunciation makes me auto-spot-weld my buttocks though 2021-07-08T19:57:46 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-08T20:07:44 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-08T20:20:06 < Steffanx> Lies t4nk_fn it was the sound of music 2021-07-08T20:31:54 < t4nk_fn> I took a female to see that once 2021-07-08T20:32:14 < t4nk_fn> ... I got all emotional fcol, and couldn't hide it ;) 2021-07-08T20:52:22 < bitmask> damn, i dont think my cold plate is gonna get cold enough :( 2021-07-08T20:52:32 < mawk> stack more peltier bitmask 2021-07-08T20:52:48 < mawk> each peltier only has to deal with the difference between its neighbors 2021-07-08T20:52:51 < mawk> I'm sure it can work 2021-07-08T20:53:01 < bitmask> i have another i can add, it just means redesigning a lot of shit 2021-07-08T20:53:13 < bitmask> they are dual stage peltiers 2021-07-08T20:53:42 < bitmask> I'm at -12C and its still going but i need at least -20 2021-07-08T20:54:50 < bitmask> -25 is the actual minimum temp but -20 with ice forming usually means it will get another 5C colder when dealing with alcohol 2021-07-08T20:55:38 < bitmask> oh then again its also hot as hell in my room right now 2021-07-08T20:55:51 < bitmask> 27C 2021-07-08T20:56:27 < BrainDamage> mawk: and each peltier has to pump the waste heat of the previous 2021-07-08T20:56:49 < mawk> ah 2021-07-08T20:56:59 < mawk> so it evens out BrainDamage ? 2021-07-08T20:57:07 < mawk> what if you stack bigger and bigger peltiers 2021-07-08T20:57:07 < BrainDamage> no, so it gets worse 2021-07-08T20:57:14 < mawk> in a pyramid shape 2021-07-08T20:57:32 < BrainDamage> that's the only way 2021-07-08T20:57:48 < BrainDamage> and you end up wasting hundreds of w to pump few thermal 2021-07-08T20:57:53 < bitmask> yea you have to power them with less and less power 2021-07-08T20:58:52 < mawk> that's not a problem bitmask is a rich man with unlimited power 2021-07-08T20:59:00 < bitmask> right... 2021-07-08T20:59:13 < bitmask> adding that second dual stage peltier would def be enough though 2021-07-08T20:59:29 < bitmask> not stacked but next to it 2021-07-08T21:01:12 < mawk> why don't we use iodine povidone for disinfecting that much BrainDamage 2021-07-08T21:01:15 < mawk> it seems pretty cool 2021-07-08T21:01:15 < bitmask> oh shit, maybe its my thermocouple placement, my infrared therm is saying -28C 2021-07-08T21:01:33 < mawk> it sticks to the skin and doesn't evaporate, unlike alcohol or chlorhexidine 2021-07-08T21:01:51 < mawk> I bought thermocouples from amazon yesterday 2021-07-08T21:01:56 < mawk> type K something 2021-07-08T21:02:12 < mawk> to continue on my journey to make drugs 2021-07-08T21:02:32 < mawk> I bought some beakers and erlenmeyers as well, I also have stirring apparatus now 2021-07-08T21:02:43 < t4nk_fn> gotta keep that meth pot at 700degrees at all times 2021-07-08T21:02:50 < mawk> and a wide collection of syringes and needles but I had that already 2021-07-08T21:08:50 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T21:08:53 < Laurenceb> codez https://pastebin.com/d84XAQb0 2021-07-08T21:10:04 < Laurenceb> 25ms runtime compared to 50ms for wget 2021-07-08T21:10:32 < Laurenceb> Lunix DNS cache takes 3ms, the code takes ~1ms, rest is the WAN server itself 2021-07-08T21:11:36 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/MWMopVN.png?1 2021-07-08T21:13:04 < mawk> with ssl Laurenceb ? 2021-07-08T21:13:04 < mawk> you only do HTTP/1.0 probably 2021-07-08T21:13:04 < mawk> tell wget to do http 1.0 2021-07-08T21:13:04 < mawk> for a fair comparison 2021-07-08T21:13:04 < Laurenceb> no ssl here, its all on private lan 2021-07-08T21:13:25 < Laurenceb> also I think the server is broken 2021-07-08T21:13:41 < mawk> probably not 2021-07-08T21:13:42 < Laurenceb> chunked transfer mode was making my head hurt, but wget has missing characters 2021-07-08T21:14:17 < Laurenceb> where the chunks join up 2021-07-08T21:14:17 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-43-177.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T21:14:21 * mawk doubts 2021-07-08T21:14:38 < Laurenceb> the "server" is some embedded WAN board running rtos 2021-07-08T21:14:48 < mawk> ah 2021-07-08T21:14:52 < mawk> then maybe 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < Laurenceb> I think its not following spec for chunked mode 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < Laurenceb> sometimes it doesnt give full \r\n or something, my code seems to cope after a lot of swearing 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < mawk> well try your code on a known good server 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < Laurenceb> yeah I will 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < mawk> apt install nginx 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < mawk> done 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < Laurenceb> ah maybe I see it 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < Laurenceb> sometimes there is a leading \r\n before the hex chunk size 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < Laurenceb> aiui thats not part of the spec 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < Laurenceb> I added code to strip it 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < mawk> I'll check in a bit 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < Laurenceb> heh wget def has missing characters 2021-07-08T21:18:43 < Laurenceb> func{( is supposed to be function 2021-07-08T21:20:02 < kakium69> interesting 2021-07-08T21:20:33 < kakium69> I have always wondered why corporation could be a legal "person" 2021-07-08T21:21:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T21:22:19 < kakium69> supreme court across the pond agreed some time in 19th century or so that actually corporation should have the rights of an person 2021-07-08T21:22:34 < kakium69> *a person 2021-07-08T21:24:01 < kakium69> using a law made for freed slaves 2021-07-08T21:25:40 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-08T21:34:38 < BrainDamage> mawk: it's toxic in high doses 2021-07-08T21:34:47 < BrainDamage> and it stains like hell 2021-07-08T21:35:02 < BrainDamage> it's great for ambulances, less so for casual use 2021-07-08T21:35:48 < mawk> but it stays on the wound BrainDamage 2021-07-08T21:35:56 < mawk> by opposition to alcohol/chlorhexidine 2021-07-08T21:35:59 < mawk> so it's like a huge advantage 2021-07-08T21:36:16 < mawk> it keeps acting for a very long time 2021-07-08T21:36:30 < mawk> unlike alcohol which needs to be present for a minute but evaporates under 30s 2021-07-08T21:36:58 < BrainDamage> again, great for medical use 2021-07-08T21:37:04 < BrainDamage> less for personal 2021-07-08T21:37:17 < mawk> yes 2021-07-08T21:37:23 < mawk> but I have a feeling it's not used that much in hospital setting either 2021-07-08T21:37:30 < mawk> maybe it's the toxicity 2021-07-08T21:37:45 < mawk> I got prescribed betadine when I had a urinary infection when I was 10 2021-07-08T21:37:46 < BrainDamage> here's the only thing allowed on an ambulance 2021-07-08T21:37:50 < mawk> I got told to dip my manhood in it 2021-07-08T21:38:01 < mawk> ah I see, weird 2021-07-08T21:38:08 < mawk> so not even alcohol 2021-07-08T21:38:38 < mawk> I read that some opportunistic bacteria can live in iodine povidone, so it needs to be sterile when you use it in medical setting 2021-07-08T21:38:40 < mawk> lol 2021-07-08T21:38:46 < mawk> bacteria living in disinfectant 2021-07-08T21:39:38 < mawk> the US law is crazy kakium69 don't listen to it 2021-07-08T21:39:48 < mawk> look at french law for instance, corporations are "legal persons" too 2021-07-08T21:40:30 < mawk> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personne_morale_en_droit_fran%C3%A7ais 2021-07-08T21:40:34 < mawk> use google translate 2021-07-08T21:42:15 < mawk> kakium69: « Observation of this reality shows that the will of a group of people, for example, is something other than the sum of the individual wills of its members. A human group, if it attains a certain degree of organization which enables it to express a will and act accordingly, possesses by itself a legal personality. » 2021-07-08T21:42:17 < mawk> that's the relevant bit 2021-07-08T21:43:24 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-08T21:48:12 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-08T21:50:13 < kakium69> it makes sense 2021-07-08T21:50:38 < kakium69> funny part is how it came to be through new law made for freed slaves 2021-07-08T22:10:18 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpQYsk-8dWg mawk: the documentary 2021-07-08T22:10:34 < kakium69> maybe 15years old or so 2021-07-08T22:15:34 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T22:16:31 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T22:45:58 < mawk> thanks 2021-07-08T22:46:36 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-08T23:22:58 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T23:50:52 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-08T23:50:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-08T23:51:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Fri Jul 09 2021 2021-07-09T00:05:43 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-43-177.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-09T00:11:40 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-43-177.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T00:26:44 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T00:28:58 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-09T00:29:03 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-09T00:46:15 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-09T00:54:57 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T00:56:54 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-09T00:59:16 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T01:00:49 < jadew> the benefit of having corporations that are seen as persons is that the people behind it are protected from absolute failure 2021-07-09T01:01:15 < jadew> for example, if the company goes bankrupt, your creditors don't come after you, to take your house, car and clothes on your back 2021-07-09T01:02:36 < kakium69> some countries have a personal bankrupcy 2021-07-09T01:03:06 < jadew> yeah, they wanted to introduce that in here too, but the IMF was against it 2021-07-09T01:04:36 < jadew> they want slaves 2021-07-09T01:05:33 < kakium69> in 1991 or so a lot of business went under after USSR fell 2021-07-09T01:06:41 < kakium69> significant part of people who happen to have debt or liability in businesses are still in debt and - even more than at the begining 2021-07-09T01:06:53 < aandrew> jadew: wait, you don't have the corporate "veil" in .ro? 2021-07-09T01:07:15 < aandrew> if your corporation does something bad the corp is liquidated and then they come after the board as well? 2021-07-09T01:07:17 < jadew> aandrew, we do, I was talking about personal bankruptcy - we don't have that 2021-07-09T01:07:24 < aandrew> ahh 2021-07-09T01:07:47 < jadew> so if you get a bad loan, you're stuck with it even if you have $0 on your name 2021-07-09T01:08:04 < jadew> which tbh, it makes sense 2021-07-09T01:08:07 < aandrew> right 2021-07-09T01:08:19 < aandrew> what about inheritance - can you inherit your parent's/sibling's debt? 2021-07-09T01:08:26 < jadew> nope 2021-07-09T01:08:48 < aandrew> nice 2021-07-09T01:09:01 < aandrew> did I blog about my adventures with Hakko T12 handpieces? 2021-07-09T01:09:13 < kakium69> we all live in civilized countries aandrew 2021-07-09T01:09:28 < aandrew> I have one of those ~$50 ksger soldering stations, and it's a nice system, but I couldn't figure out why I hated soldering with it 2021-07-09T01:09:41 < aandrew> it's becuase the handle that comes with it has you hold the iron 75mm from the tip 2021-07-09T01:09:45 < aandrew> so it's like trying to solder with chopsticks 2021-07-09T01:09:55 < jadew> yeah, I hate that about it too 2021-07-09T01:10:09 < aandrew> I found compatible handles that bring that down to a way more reasonable 42mm, which is pretty close to the metcal iron I have which is 35mm 2021-07-09T01:10:25 < jadew> link? 2021-07-09T01:10:37 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-09T01:10:41 < fenugrec> hakko 936 ftw 2021-07-09T01:10:48 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000116326529.html 2021-07-09T01:10:49 < fenugrec> + oldschool street cred 2021-07-09T01:11:00 < jadew> ah, that's the one I have 2021-07-09T01:11:13 < aandrew> there are a few differnet handles with grips between 42 and 75mm 2021-07-09T01:11:22 < aandrew> I looked at the 936 2021-07-09T01:11:26 < jadew> maybe it's not the lengh of the tip that bothers me, let me compare it with my hakko 2021-07-09T01:11:52 < aandrew> the 936 is too long 2021-07-09T01:11:56 < aandrew> grip-to-tip I mean 2021-07-09T01:12:25 < jadew> yep, the hakko is much longer in that regard 2021-07-09T01:12:27 < fenugrec> dunno, I've had my 936 since ~ 2004. Always preferred it over others I tried 2021-07-09T01:12:34 < jadew> but this one has a longer back 2021-07-09T01:12:42 < fenugrec> I have the black version, not sure if it's the same handle on newer models 2021-07-09T01:12:53 < aandrew> I was also thinking I could take a cylinder of stainless steel maybe 15cm long, put a 5mm hole in it and turn it down to 10-15mm dia. then take wood or something with 15mm hole and turn that to the outer diameter I want to hold to bring it even closer to 35mm 2021-07-09T01:12:55 < jadew> I have an fx 888 2021-07-09T01:13:15 < jadew> on the ksger I like the low profile and the easily replaceable tips 2021-07-09T01:13:20 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/i/32965564853.html 2021-07-09T01:13:35 < aandrew> I have the top one right now; that's like 75mm tip-to-grip. The one below it is 42 2021-07-09T01:14:07 < jadew> the top one looks like classic hakko handle 2021-07-09T01:14:20 < aandrew> jadew: yes, it is awful 2021-07-09T01:14:22 < aandrew> that's what I have now 2021-07-09T01:16:11 < fenugrec> I'll admit I sometimes hold the 907 handle a bit past the rubberized 'grip' part 2021-07-09T01:18:01 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T01:18:07 < aandrew> https://www.newark.com/metcal/mx-rm6e/long-reach-solder-handle-for-mx/dp/41B5524 is the handle on my ancient metcal PS2 2021-07-09T01:18:23 < aandrew> I love it, tip is literally 35mm from where I grip at the end of the handle 2021-07-09T01:18:51 < jadew> tips looks expensive 2021-07-09T01:19:02 < jadew> you get 10 KSGER tips for that money 2021-07-09T01:19:17 < aandrew> jadew: sure, but you don't change them more than once every 5 years 2021-07-09T01:19:37 < aandrew> I have yet to use the ksger enough to see how fast those tips wear 2021-07-09T01:19:45 < aandrew> but that metcal is second to none in my opinion 2021-07-09T01:20:08 < aandrew> pace, weller, hakko (real hakko)... none match the metcal 2021-07-09T01:20:40 < jadew> haven't had the pleasure of using one 2021-07-09T01:20:56 < aandrew> like most of my equipment, the metcal was used when I bought it 2021-07-09T01:21:10 < aandrew> there are some DIY power units too which are interesting 2021-07-09T01:21:13 < aandrew> haven't ever tried one 2021-07-09T01:21:22 < aandrew> https://hackaday.com/2019/06/16/homemade-magic-makes-the-metcal-go/ 2021-07-09T01:24:50 < jadew> eh, for now I don't need another station 2021-07-09T01:25:01 < jadew> I think I'll go JBC next 2021-07-09T01:25:30 < jadew> I think I'd prefer being able to use the same tip at multiple temperatures 2021-07-09T01:26:10 < kakium69> JBC is for soldering irons what Mercedes is for cars 2021-07-09T01:26:31 < fenugrec> expensive ugly shit for older rich people ? 2021-07-09T01:26:39 < kakium69> hmm 2021-07-09T01:27:00 < jadew> fenugrec, lol 2021-07-09T01:27:01 < kakium69> sure 2021-07-09T01:27:13 < jadew> comfy, high quality, reliable too 2021-07-09T01:27:16 < fenugrec> heh 2021-07-09T01:27:51 < jadew> any ideas on how not to scorch a board with a hot plate? 2021-07-09T01:28:15 < jadew> can you actually melt lead free solder on one without destroying the FR4? 2021-07-09T01:28:25 < aandrew> heh I didn't particularly like the JBC either 2021-07-09T01:28:27 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-09T01:28:40 < jadew> aandrew, why? 2021-07-09T01:28:44 < jadew> kakium69, how? 2021-07-09T01:28:45 < aandrew> multiple temps hasn't ever been an issue for me. I use leaded but lead free temps 2021-07-09T01:29:02 < aandrew> jadew: JBC had some neat stuff but it didn't "feel" right for me 2021-07-09T01:29:10 < aandrew> was strictly personal preference, not a technical failing 2021-07-09T01:29:28 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-09T01:29:37 < jadew> tbh, I like the interface on the hakko fx-888 - one knob 2021-07-09T01:29:49 < jadew> if they can make them like that, but really powerful and fast 2021-07-09T01:29:52 < jadew> I'd but that 2021-07-09T01:30:34 -!- rob_w_ [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-09T01:30:45 < jadew> kakium69, what temperature should I set the hot plate to? 2021-07-09T01:31:14 < jadew> at 240 °C it still seems like I have to add additional heat for bigger parts, like shielding cans 2021-07-09T01:31:23 < kakium69> ah 2021-07-09T01:31:27 < kakium69> go to 300 2021-07-09T01:31:35 < kakium69> try it 2021-07-09T01:31:41 < jadew> at 300 it destroys the FR4 2021-07-09T01:31:47 < jadew> it starts to bubble 2021-07-09T01:31:51 < kakium69> then it's not possible 2021-07-09T01:31:54 < fenugrec> maybe insulate the top of the board ? it can only transfer heat through conduction, and you gets lots of convective losses on the top 2021-07-09T01:32:15 < jadew> how would I work on it afterwards? 2021-07-09T01:32:23 < kakium69> radiated heat 2021-07-09T01:33:20 < jadew> I'm wondering if 300 °C but while keeping the board above the hotplate, without touching it 2021-07-09T01:33:26 < jadew> maybe something like that would work 2021-07-09T01:35:26 < BrainDamage> jadew: use the plate only as preheater, then spot heat using hot air 2021-07-09T01:36:00 < BrainDamage> the plate will ensure a uniform nvironment with low lossess, and the thermal jump for hot air will not be high 2021-07-09T01:36:12 < kakium69> a little comparison: fx-888 is 70w input 2021-07-09T01:36:30 < kakium69> jbc can output 130w to cardridge 2021-07-09T01:36:45 < BrainDamage> and spot heating will let you control the heat over the board, because large components have larger heat capacities etc 2021-07-09T01:36:49 < BrainDamage> so you can adjust by eye 2021-07-09T01:38:28 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, that works, but I'm still having issues with things like shielding cans 2021-07-09T01:38:53 < BrainDamage> you can always use different alloys 2021-07-09T01:38:58 < jadew> I wonder what would happen if I placed the shielding can on the hot plate 2021-07-09T01:39:10 < BrainDamage> with a lower temp one for larger stuff 2021-07-09T01:39:12 < jadew> that's not a bad idea 2021-07-09T01:39:21 < jadew> I'll look into that 2021-07-09T01:39:36 < BrainDamage> it's a handy trick for two sided pcb 2021-07-09T01:39:58 < BrainDamage> you can flip the board and bake the other side with low temp without needing glue 2021-07-09T01:40:49 < jadew> I'll try to remove the shielding can by placing it on the hot plate directly 2021-07-09T01:44:17 -!- rob_w_ [~bob@ppp-93-104-38-126.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T01:49:03 < aandrew> yeah I know Rossman loves JBC because it can really push heat into those heavy copper planes 2021-07-09T02:30:46 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T02:50:07 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T03:06:58 < karlp> jadew: like BD said, just use it as a pre-heater, like it's advertised. walking around the top surface with hot air when it's all on teh hot plate is super chil. way easier than trying to hot air a whole board frrom scratch 2021-07-09T03:11:17 < aandrew> yeah I have a little quartz hotplate I use to preheat boards 2021-07-09T03:15:05 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-09T03:15:57 -!- rob_w__ [~bob@ppp-93-104-61-39.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T03:19:41 -!- rob_w_ [~bob@ppp-93-104-38-126.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-09T03:25:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-09T03:41:16 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-09T04:17:23 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-09T06:18:49 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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2021-07-09T16:23:08 -!- aquijoule__ [~richbridg@213-225-7-126.nat.highway.a1.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-09T16:23:33 -!- aquijoule__ [~richbridg@213-225-7-126.nat.highway.a1.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T16:25:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-09T16:25:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T16:35:42 < Steffanx> Bye bye t4nk_fn 2021-07-09T16:45:54 < t4nk_fn> that was totally unexpected ;) 2021-07-09T16:46:15 < t4nk_fn> I'll call you 'snappy' in the future 2021-07-09T16:46:25 < t4nk_fn> Snappyx 2021-07-09T16:54:24 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T16:56:30 < benishor> t4nk_fn: if you go byebye ali, where're you gonna go to? 2021-07-09T16:58:51 < t4nk_fn> yeah, well... I was on amazon just now, and it (seems as if) that some stuff is getting cheaper on there 2021-07-09T16:59:12 < t4nk_fn> when I was looking for an all metal hotend for a 3d printer for example 2021-07-09T17:00:14 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T17:00:43 < t4nk_fn> I think it may be a bit cheaper to buy it off there now, plus it gets delivered on time 2021-07-09T17:02:29 < t4nk_fn> on ali: stm32f407vet6 board I bought before for 9euro's, alistandard shipping included... now costs you 20euros 2021-07-09T17:22:37 < Steffanx> Oh but that's stm32unobtanium 2021-07-09T17:22:58 < Steffanx> Can't blame them for raising the prices 2021-07-09T17:27:18 < englishman> >using stm32 in 2021 2021-07-09T17:28:40 < GenTooMan> hmm I understand there are parts available now. though it does amaze me how the automotive industry started this disastrous cascade affect by going on assumption. 2021-07-09T17:29:10 < t4nk_fn> lol 2021-07-09T17:29:13 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:bdbe:78c6:d54a:12d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-09T17:29:22 < t4nk_fn> yeah, disasters all around 2021-07-09T17:30:22 < t4nk_fn> as long as the masses fall for it... ca-ching. 2021-07-09T17:32:56 < GenTooMan> hmm as per usual it was avoidable, they assumed x and didn't actually recognize that over reacting (like over steering a car) is dangerous. 2021-07-09T17:43:12 < GenTooMan> it however is easy to say that now but I wasn't their so I've no idea what information they based their choices on. 2021-07-09T17:49:55 < BrainDamage> the shared resource is the fab time, they cancelled orders so fabs allocated time slots to other things 2021-07-09T17:50:41 < BrainDamage> I'd guess they ( car manifacturers ) just noticed that the whole economy was winding down and espected to be affected the same 2021-07-09T18:04:13 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T18:14:25 < fenugrec> so what was the fab time allocated to 2021-07-09T18:21:10 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-09T18:25:00 < GenTooMan> likely GPU's 2021-07-09T18:27:02 < bitmask> its starting to take shape! I wonder if I should have the high voltage grid closer to the cold plate though 2021-07-09T18:27:03 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/H5sCkYF.jpg?2 2021-07-09T18:34:12 < benishor> bitmask: what are you building there? clearly a tube but what's the target? 2021-07-09T18:39:14 < aandrew> bitmask: are you making a tube? 2021-07-09T18:39:31 < jpa-> t4nk_fn: there are also very interesting interpretations of import rules: https://bbs.io-tech.fi/attachments/1625665527864-png.639425/ 2021-07-09T18:39:50 < bitmask> cloud chamber 2021-07-09T18:40:32 < bitmask> guess it does look like a tube, never thought about that 2021-07-09T18:41:49 < bitmask> on a side note, playing with lead is fun 2021-07-09T18:42:02 < bitmask> i feel like a metal worker even though its real easy to form 2021-07-09T18:45:17 < GenTooMan> so you have a particle accelerator you are also building for the cloud chamber? 2021-07-09T18:46:25 < mawk> I just got vaxxinated Steffanx 2021-07-09T18:46:28 < mawk> are you proud of me? 2021-07-09T18:46:55 < bitmask> GenTooMan nah i just bought some radioactive sources 2021-07-09T18:47:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T18:49:25 < mawk> are you making a dirty bomb bitmask 2021-07-09T18:50:14 < bitmask> riiight 2021-07-09T18:53:20 < Steffanx> What 5G shot did you get, mawk? 2021-07-09T18:53:41 < Steffanx> Arent you wappie mawk? 2021-07-09T18:53:46 < fenugrec> 5G.EXE 2021-07-09T18:54:23 < mawk> pfizerre Steffanx 2021-07-09T18:54:35 < fenugrec> reminds me of a car somewhere in the area, with license plate "W32 EXE"... 2021-07-09T18:54:53 < Steffanx> I expected you to be wappie, like baudet mawk 2021-07-09T18:56:06 < mawk> what's wappie Steffanx 2021-07-09T18:57:01 < Steffanx> https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wappie#:~:text=Wappie%20is%20een%20pejoratief%20begrip,een%20dwaalgeest%20of%20'gekkie'. 2021-07-09T18:58:53 < Steffanx> That's what we call the antivaxxers with bad arguments and covid is a myth sayers, mawk. 2021-07-09T19:07:37 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-09T19:08:35 < mawk> why would I be wappie Steffanx 2021-07-09T19:09:16 < mawk> I'm a man of science 2021-07-09T19:32:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-09T19:54:50 < Steffanx> Lol. So serious today, mawk 2021-07-09T20:03:49 < t4nk_fn> yeah, jpa-, I suspect those are the same stores flooding amazon atm... nice to keep an eye on, but I'm not gonna risk it yet ;) 2021-07-09T20:12:35 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T20:12:45 < Laurenceb> do I have to use {0} to init as zero or does {} work ok? 2021-07-09T20:12:55 < Laurenceb> (on lunix not stm32) 2021-07-09T20:18:57 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:fc7b:1b80:7be1:fa75] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T20:29:55 < Laurenceb> wt flunix 2021-07-09T20:29:58 < Laurenceb> https://linux.die.net/man/7/socket 2021-07-09T20:30:13 < Laurenceb> > If the timeout is set to zero (the default) then the operation will never timeout. 2021-07-09T20:30:15 < Laurenceb> wuttttt 2021-07-09T20:30:50 < Laurenceb> surely that should be the case with a negative argument, with zero argument giving instant timeout (i.e. error if no data cached) 2021-07-09T20:51:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T20:57:13 < jadew> do you guys remember Erika? https://images.7news.com.au/publication/C-1386777/626f092208e1f233db81a99638b5293afe17afea-16x9-x0y0w1304h734.jpg 2021-07-09T20:57:16 < jadew> time is a bitch 2021-07-09T20:58:01 < jadew> if you don't remember her from baywatch, look up the playboy issue, you'll surely recognize her in there 2021-07-09T21:00:40 < jadew> Steffanx, I'm starting to doubt covid was a huge threat too 2021-07-09T21:00:57 < specing> boobwatch 2021-07-09T21:00:59 < jadew> mainly because things I was expecting to happen, didn't happen 2021-07-09T21:01:43 < Laurenceb> she looks ugly in both photos 2021-07-09T21:04:06 < jadew> you wouldn't say no to either tho 2021-07-09T21:04:32 < specing> I would 2021-07-09T21:08:07 < jadew> specing, you want your first time to be special? 2021-07-09T21:17:54 < Steffanx> but you were maybe a bit over the top jadew. i remember this. 2021-07-09T21:17:59 < jadew> Steffanx, I was just the right amount of scared I think, considering we were looking at 1 in 20 people to drop dead in a year or two 2021-07-09T21:17:59 < Steffanx> we were? 2021-07-09T21:17:59 < jadew> the whole thing was greatly exaggerated tho, and we've remained with that mindset 2021-07-09T21:17:59 < jadew> yeah... 5% mortality rate - remember? 2021-07-09T21:17:59 < Steffanx> no 2021-07-09T21:17:59 < jadew> that's what it started with 2021-07-09T21:18:00 < jadew> then it became murky, then the figures never really seemed to show up 2021-07-09T21:18:01 < jadew> and now we know it's slightly worse than the regular flu, maybe some flu strains were even worse than this 2021-07-09T21:18:01 < jadew> but we've remained with the measures and the paranoia 2021-07-09T21:18:10 < jadew> and to make matters worse, more people than I expected are anti-vaxxers, so instead of ending this shit, we'll have to live with it forever, because it was allowed to mutate 2021-07-09T21:18:11 < jadew> the whole thing was a complete waste of time and resources 2021-07-09T21:18:11 < jadew> and of lives, because many people died as a result 2021-07-09T21:20:16 < Steffanx> did you just go from all paranoid to "oh it was nothing" -_- 2021-07-09T21:20:22 < bitmask> damn its hot, im soaking wet 2021-07-09T21:20:33 < Steffanx> yes its hot 2021-07-09T21:20:35 < jpa-> jadew: you just calculated that 5% mortality rate in a stupid way, disregarding the inaccuracies in the numbers you were using 2021-07-09T21:20:35 < Steffanx> you are hot 2021-07-09T21:20:45 < bitmask> you aren't too bad yourself 2021-07-09T21:21:05 < jadew> jpa-, that's what was reported at first and what started the hysteria 2021-07-09T21:21:12 < jadew> my numbers were always lower, but still worrying 2021-07-09T21:21:15 < Steffanx> 23.4 C, humidity 62%. bitmask 2021-07-09T21:21:35 < jadew> 29.1, 62% 2021-07-09T21:21:44 < bitmask> 29C humidity 60% 2021-07-09T21:22:02 < Steffanx> everything above 20C is hot enough 2021-07-09T21:22:19 < jadew> we haven't had hot water in a week 2021-07-09T21:22:29 < bitmask> just leave it outside 2021-07-09T21:22:41 < jadew> we just have cold showers 2021-07-09T21:22:47 < jadew> they grow on you after a while 2021-07-09T21:23:06 < bitmask> luke warm maybe, i cant take a cold shower 2021-07-09T21:23:18 < Steffanx> no airconditioning? 2021-07-09T21:23:37 < bitmask> who me? I was just in the attic trying to organize my shit, no AC up there 2021-07-09T21:23:39 < jadew> we have AC, I just didn't turn it on 2021-07-09T21:23:47 < bitmask> oh 2021-07-09T21:23:51 < bitmask> no one cares about bitmask 2021-07-09T21:24:02 < jadew> I can tolerate up to 33 C or so 2021-07-09T21:24:26 < Steffanx> No AC here. so i die when its 25+ when i have to sleep 2021-07-09T21:24:29 < jadew> bitmask, we care, we just don't show it 2021-07-09T21:24:32 < bitmask> heh 2021-07-09T21:24:55 < jadew> Steffanx, sleep during the night :) 2021-07-09T21:25:05 < Steffanx> but the heat doesnt go out easily 2021-07-09T21:25:46 < jadew> also, stay naked 2021-07-09T21:25:56 < Steffanx> doesnt help 2021-07-09T21:26:48 < bitmask> check out the start of my lid for the lead lined container 2021-07-09T21:26:49 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/CkagH8B.jpg 2021-07-09T21:28:18 < jadew> lead lined container? what are you storing radioactive stuff? 2021-07-09T21:28:24 < bitmask> yea 2021-07-09T21:28:30 < bitmask> samples for my cloud chamber 2021-07-09T21:28:33 < bitmask> nothing really hot 2021-07-09T21:28:39 < bitmask> very mild stuffs 2021-07-09T21:28:51 < jadew> what's a cloud chamber? 2021-07-09T21:29:05 < bitmask> we havent talked about it? 2021-07-09T21:29:14 < jadew> not with me 2021-07-09T21:29:24 < bitmask> its a way to visualize radiation 2021-07-09T21:29:42 < jadew> sounds cool, it lights up or something? 2021-07-09T21:30:01 < bitmask> you use a peltier to get to -25C or lower and super saturated alcohol vapor over it, alpha and beta particles show up as trails in the vapor 2021-07-09T21:30:18 < jadew> neat 2021-07-09T21:30:27 < jadew> got pictures of that working? 2021-07-09T21:30:41 < bitmask> not there yet, close though 2021-07-09T21:30:47 < bitmask> heres some pics of my setup so far though 2021-07-09T21:30:48 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/MWMopVN.png?1 2021-07-09T21:30:56 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/H5sCkYF.jpg?2 2021-07-09T21:31:10 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/76V7ppj.png 2021-07-09T21:31:15 < jpa-> -25C with peltier sounds difficult to get 2021-07-09T21:31:40 < jadew> maybe with very good heatsinking? 2021-07-09T21:31:45 < jadew> water cooled? 2021-07-09T21:31:58 < bitmask> i tested it yesterday and got to -28C even in my hot ass room 2021-07-09T21:32:02 < bitmask> yea water cooled 2021-07-09T21:32:19 < bitmask> and its a stacked peltier with two layers 2021-07-09T21:32:38 < bitmask> rated for 70ºC differential 2021-07-09T21:33:25 < bitmask> and it should get colder when using alcohol vapor because apparently forming ice crystals lowers efficiency 2021-07-09T21:33:38 < bitmask> so i think i'll be good 2021-07-09T21:34:15 < bitmask> i do have a second peltier if need be, i just hope i dont need it, redesigning everything would be a bitch 2021-07-09T21:50:25 < Steffanx> Keeps you of the streets, bitmask 2021-07-09T21:59:15 < bitmask> i am the streets yo 2021-07-09T21:59:56 < BrainDamage> bitmask: do you have an ir thermometer? 2021-07-09T22:00:03 < bitmask> i do 2021-07-09T22:00:25 < BrainDamage> spray some oil on the grids 2021-07-09T22:00:33 < BrainDamage> that'll make them ir opaque 2021-07-09T22:00:39 < BrainDamage> then measure the temps 2021-07-09T22:01:43 < bitmask> not sure i follow? the trails form right on the cold plate, not the grids 2021-07-09T22:02:56 < bitmask> the top grid is just to hold the alcohol soaked sponge, the lower one creates an electrical field between it and the cold plate but nothing happens at the grid 2021-07-09T22:05:17 < BrainDamage> ah, i thought you had the e-field between the grids 2021-07-09T22:05:18 < BrainDamage> nvm then 2021-07-09T22:14:43 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-09T22:50:56 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T23:15:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-09T23:34:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Day changed Sat Jul 10 2021 2021-07-10T00:26:45 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T00:29:35 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-10T00:29:35 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-10T01:00:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T01:01:51 < upgrdman> anyone know of a mouse with a smooth scroll wheel (no notches) that is ALSO high-resolution (not line-by-line scrolling) AND low latency (500-1000 reports/sec) ? 2021-07-10T01:02:19 < upgrdman> logitech m720 etc is great but only 125 reports per second. i guess logitech only does >125 for their gamer stuff :/ 2021-07-10T01:17:14 < englishman> upgrdman: idk about all the specs but the Logitech MX anywhere 3 has this awesome customizable mouse wheel. and there's a desktop version of it 2021-07-10T01:17:47 < upgrdman> englishman, i was looking at it, but iirc its only 125hz 2021-07-10T01:17:58 < englishman> MX master 3 2021-07-10T01:18:12 < englishman> idk works on my machine 2021-07-10T01:18:19 < englishman> my monitor is 60 hz 2021-07-10T01:18:51 < upgrdman> what do you mean by "desktop version" ? aren't all mice for desktops 2021-07-10T01:19:04 < englishman> MX anywhere 3 is made to be portable 2021-07-10T01:19:21 < upgrdman> o 2021-07-10T01:19:38 < englishman> does the report rate make that much of a difference 2021-07-10T01:19:59 < englishman> maybe you should make your own ps/2 mouse 2021-07-10T01:20:03 < upgrdman> lol 2021-07-10T01:20:23 < upgrdman> its not critical, but i'd lile at least 2x monitor refresh rate, and i'll soon by upgrd'ing to 144hz 2021-07-10T02:14:51 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T02:33:45 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-43-177.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T02:40:03 < fenugrec> daaamn. Wasted many many hours troubleshooting, to find that the contactor I'm using has a built-in snubber/suppressor with probably a TVS or something. Cool, but the thing driving it was doing some PWM straight from a 70V rail (to feed the 24V coil), and failing in overcurrent every time. Thought they had a proper buck regulator in there, but no. 2021-07-10T02:48:38 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T02:51:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-10T02:52:49 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T02:52:55 < Laurenceb> supppp 2021-07-10T02:53:17 < Laurenceb> anyone know if there is a way to query Lunix socket queue length? 2021-07-10T02:53:29 < Laurenceb> as in current stack bytes or transactions or whatever 2021-07-10T03:12:29 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-159-221.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-10T03:14:25 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-10T03:35:43 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-10T03:38:59 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-10T03:41:00 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::6090] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T03:41:08 < machinehum> Does anyone know what this is called? https://old.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/nwfqet/what_are_these_guys_called_the_th_metal_guys_that/ 2021-07-10T04:09:59 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-10T04:25:07 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-10T04:27:03 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T04:42:44 < jadew> https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/325418 2021-07-10T04:42:54 < jadew> Masturbation does not seem to have any long-lasting effects on testosterone levels. 2021-07-10T04:43:21 < jadew> so... if you do it often enough, then you get the short term effects in the long term? 2021-07-10T04:44:03 < jadew> "One reason for this is that it is difficult for scientists in a laboratory to recreate an environment in which people would typically masturbate." 2021-07-10T04:44:36 < jadew> since and its challenges 2021-07-10T04:45:31 < jadew> LMFAO, this article is full of gems: "The researchers compared the salivary testosterone levels in men who participated in sexual activity with those in men who only observed." 2021-07-10T04:47:51 < aandrew> jadew: lol to all that 2021-07-10T04:47:56 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-10T04:50:16 < jadew> the data is unclear tho 2021-07-10T04:50:49 < jadew> it seems to suggest that testosterone levels increase both after sex and during abstinence 2021-07-10T04:51:08 < jadew> they're like stocks, they only go up 2021-07-10T05:13:04 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T05:31:43 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T05:32:58 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T06:17:12 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T06:23:44 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-10T06:30:45 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-10T06:40:23 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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2021-07-10T15:13:59 * Laurenceb has a weird c bug on lunix 2021-07-10T15:14:18 < Laurenceb> #0 0x00011348 in can_get (sock=0, can_id=1, 2021-07-10T15:14:18 < xnand> Commands: cache decide nar 2021-07-10T15:14:19 < Laurenceb> queue=0x1 , frame=0x5, 2021-07-10T15:14:19 < Laurenceb> last_tv=0xbefff468) at can_soft_ack.c:255 2021-07-10T15:14:31 < Laurenceb> I have a function being passed trash 2021-07-10T15:15:40 < Laurenceb> dunno wtf could cause this 2021-07-10T15:15:44 < Laurenceb> stack overwritten? 2021-07-10T15:16:21 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/z8vULvVN 2021-07-10T15:16:55 < Laurenceb> line 247 called at 144 with junk arguments 2021-07-10T15:27:00 < Laurenceb> argg gdb isnt even working 2021-07-10T15:29:28 -!- flatmush [~benbrewer@82-69-13-96.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T15:42:36 < Steffanx> Sometimes running it using valgrind helps with memory issues 2021-07-10T15:50:27 < Laurenceb> found it, was passing pointer to a pointer 2021-07-10T15:50:34 < Laurenceb> gcc should have given a warning for that 2021-07-10T15:52:39 < Steffanx> You have warnings disabled 2021-07-10T16:11:34 < BrainDamage> https://www.eejournal.com/article/wait-what-mips-becomes-risc-v/ 2021-07-10T16:19:24 < fenugrec> RISC is gonna change everything 2021-07-10T16:20:11 < Laurenceb> non nonnnnnoononono 2021-07-10T16:20:16 < Laurenceb> Transputer is the future 2021-07-10T16:20:42 < Laurenceb> in current year that sounds like a computer made completely by trannies 2021-07-10T16:21:47 < Laurenceb> xmos made by the same idiots aiui 2021-07-10T16:22:03 < Laurenceb> they dont understand the power of dedicated hardware peripherals and dma 2021-07-10T17:03:16 < GenTooMan> that's a blast from the past 2021-07-10T17:39:12 < GenTooMan> Interesting switching to R5 may be the only way the company can survive. The problem with the MIPS arch was that due to some individuals it became irrelevant, 2021-07-10T17:39:14 < fenugrec> anyone heard of "artery mcu AT32F415" ? apparently some F105 clone / pin-compat... ds certainly looks similar 2021-07-10T17:39:35 * GenTooMan looks it up. 2021-07-10T17:40:06 < fenugrec> apparently some stm32 projects are trying to port to that while the shortage lasts 2021-07-10T17:40:40 < PaulFertser> fenugrec: people report using OpenOCD with a similar part: https://github.com/cloidnerux/hoverboard-firmware-hack 2021-07-10T17:41:25 < fenugrec> PaulFertser, thanks for the info. Not sure where one would even buy an at32 part 2021-07-10T17:42:11 < fenugrec> seems to have some flavor of bxcan, but usb-otg 2021-07-10T17:44:25 < PaulFertser> The product page doesn't look bad https://www.arterytek.com/en/product/AT32F403A.jsp 2021-07-10T17:44:51 < englishman> probably better availability than ST too 2021-07-10T17:45:31 < GenTooMan> It may be a in China only part. As I have only found a data sheet in Simplified CN https://easyeda.com/component/fd4b03ff6e4b447a92e99ed1340ee221 2021-07-10T17:45:54 < PaulFertser> Looks like they sell directly. 2021-07-10T17:46:07 < PaulFertser> https://www.arterytek.com/about/en/contactUs why would they have it in English if it was internal? 2021-07-10T17:50:37 < GenTooMan> You would be amazed let me put it this way. In any case maybe? The SRAM is a lot smaller but I would guess that cuts the die size down to what they needed. SRAM eats a lot of space on an IC. 2021-07-10T17:50:55 < PaulFertser> What a lovely forum they have there ... https://bbs.21ic.com/iclist-1004-1.html 2021-07-10T17:52:12 < Laurenceb> anyone used this in Lunix? 2021-07-10T17:52:13 < Laurenceb> https://linux.die.net/man/2/recvmsg 2021-07-10T17:52:18 < Laurenceb> its always giving me -1 2021-07-10T17:54:44 < fenugrec> looks like USB + CAN is possible, "docs are outdated", https://github.com/candle-usb/candleLight_fw/issues/74#issuecomment-877649252 2021-07-10T17:54:46 < Laurenceb> hmm perror says Socket timestamp retreival error: Invalid argument 2021-07-10T17:55:57 < fenugrec> GenTooMan, the USB/CAN shared SRAM was probably copied over from the F103 which has this limitation. I think the F105/107 were OK though, which this seems to be trying to match 2021-07-10T17:58:01 < Laurenceb> candump uses same code wtf 2021-07-10T18:01:03 < Laurenceb> maybe I need to enable messages or something 2021-07-10T18:04:46 < Laurenceb> oh shit msg needs to be populated with _tons_ of config 2021-07-10T18:04:52 < Laurenceb> why u so complex Lunix 2021-07-10T18:08:53 < tct> just use FreeBSD man 2021-07-10T18:09:02 < tct> even r2com is using it nowdays 2021-07-10T18:10:02 < GenTooMan> https://github.com/keirf/FlashFloppy/issues/453 <-- seems in april people were wondering about it 2021-07-10T18:10:09 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T18:11:15 < mawk> Laurenceb: recvmsg is specially for the complex needs 2021-07-10T18:11:29 < mawk> for simply receiving network shit you have recv() 2021-07-10T18:11:39 < Laurenceb> I just need CAN to work properly 2021-07-10T18:11:54 < Laurenceb> tho tbf I'm trying to make it behave like usb bulk 2021-07-10T18:12:05 < mawk> are the docs telling you to use recvmsg? 2021-07-10T18:12:08 < Laurenceb> this is pretty complex 2021-07-10T18:12:11 < mawk> usually it's used to communicate magic with the kernel 2021-07-10T18:12:16 < mawk> or for special socket options 2021-07-10T18:12:21 < Laurenceb> I'm trying to copy candump sores 2021-07-10T18:12:38 < Laurenceb> bbl 2021-07-10T18:12:40 < mawk> then copy how they set up the msghdr struct 2021-07-10T18:13:25 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-10T18:13:34 < Laurenceb> I'm not sure this plan will owrk anyway 2021-07-10T18:13:53 < Laurenceb> setting socketcan real to timeout after 50us gives me 20ms delay 2021-07-10T18:14:08 < mawk> it feels like you're doing random changes to the code from here honestly lol 2021-07-10T18:14:09 < Laurenceb> think there is som esort of thread latency issue here that may be unresolvable 2021-07-10T18:14:14 < mawk> just read recvmsg docs, it's not that hard what you have to do 2021-07-10T18:14:24 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-10T18:14:53 < mawk> the manpage has example code 2021-07-10T18:15:15 < Laurenceb> is there any reason read with a timeout cant timeout after ~50us or does it have to wait for threads running off timer? 2021-07-10T18:15:38 < Laurenceb> surely I dont need real timer kernel for this? 2021-07-10T18:15:43 < mawk> how do you do read with a timeout? 2021-07-10T18:15:44 < Laurenceb> *real time 2021-07-10T18:15:47 < mawk> it's not a kernel thing anyway 2021-07-10T18:15:52 < mawk> so it's done in userspace by your lib 2021-07-10T18:15:58 < Laurenceb> tv.tv_usec = 0;//no timeout on the first frame 2021-07-10T18:15:58 < Laurenceb> setsockopt(cansock, SOL_SOCKET, SO_RCVTIMEO, &tv, sizeof(tv)); 2021-07-10T18:16:01 < mawk> 50µs is a very narrow time 2021-07-10T18:16:03 < Laurenceb> or 50 for 50us 2021-07-10T18:16:12 < mawk> your proc is 1GHz or so but it's very far from realtime kernel 2021-07-10T18:16:14 < Laurenceb> yeah but 350us also gives 15 to 25ms 2021-07-10T18:16:20 < mawk> so it's entirely possible 50µs gets delayed to 20ms 2021-07-10T18:16:34 < Laurenceb> soft echo test code gives 250us response time 2021-07-10T18:16:35 < mawk> you can set your process scheduling priority to realtime and see if it changes 2021-07-10T18:16:39 < Laurenceb> so it should be fast 2021-07-10T18:16:39 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-10T18:16:44 < mawk> use chrt 2021-07-10T18:16:47 < Laurenceb> be back later 2021-07-10T18:17:59 < mawk> sudo chrt --fifo 95 ./yourcommand 2021-07-10T18:18:07 < mawk> it will give almost highest priority to your command 2021-07-10T18:18:15 < mawk> don't put priority = 99 because some kernel threads still need to run 2021-07-10T18:18:22 < mawk> 98 is maybe acceptable 2021-07-10T18:21:46 < Steffanx> Got reception yet mawk? 2021-07-10T18:22:03 < mawk> lol 2021-07-10T18:22:08 < mawk> not yet 2021-07-10T18:22:13 < mawk> it didn't even hurt I was disappointed 2021-07-10T18:22:25 < mawk> do you think I can harrass GGD on the phone so I get the 2nd dose earlier? 2021-07-10T18:22:37 < Steffanx> no 2021-07-10T18:22:58 < mawk> why 2021-07-10T18:23:32 < Steffanx> they asked people NOT to do that after mr the young said something shortening the time between the doses. 2021-07-10T18:24:12 < Steffanx> You know Mr. the Young right? The guy with his fancy shoes 2021-07-10T18:24:32 < mawk> no 2021-07-10T18:24:35 < mawk> is he a clown? 2021-07-10T18:24:58 < Steffanx> https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/regering/bewindspersonen/hugo-de-jonge 2021-07-10T18:26:46 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-10T18:44:31 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T19:13:24 < Laurenceb> back 2021-07-10T19:13:31 < Laurenceb> msg stuff works 2021-07-10T19:13:40 < Laurenceb> but there are some really weird bugs elsewhere 2021-07-10T19:14:18 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/i3JC5Y0Z 2021-07-10T19:14:54 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/zkRbkJA0 2021-07-10T19:14:57 < Laurenceb> what the fuuuuu 2021-07-10T19:15:22 < Laurenceb> call 2021-07-10T19:15:23 < Laurenceb> here1 2021-07-10T19:15:23 < Laurenceb> here2,125,125 16,5,7FF,125 2021-07-10T19:15:28 < Laurenceb> ^should be impossible 2021-07-10T19:15:50 < Laurenceb> 125 becomes 5 2021-07-10T19:23:54 < Laurenceb> oh I mixe dnames up nvm 2021-07-10T19:24:06 < Laurenceb> it works prefect... at times of high conjestion 2021-07-10T19:24:12 < Laurenceb> which is kind of nice 2021-07-10T19:24:18 < Laurenceb> this is seriously odd 2021-07-10T19:24:28 < Laurenceb> lag decreases with increasing conjestion 2021-07-10T19:24:52 < Laurenceb> 3.5ms at 97% bus capacity, ~18ms and bouncing about at 1% capacity 2021-07-10T19:25:30 < Laurenceb> like there is some fancy adaptive clocking shizzle inside lunix kernel 2021-07-10T19:27:15 < Laurenceb> only problem is that hyperloop traction controllers go into safe mode if latency goes >10ms 2021-07-10T19:28:17 < ventyl> that code looks awful 2021-07-10T19:30:56 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T19:44:45 < Laurenceb> ok wtf 2021-07-10T19:44:47 < Laurenceb> 125,125 2021-07-10T19:44:48 < Laurenceb> bottom of loop, 125,5 2021-07-10T19:45:01 < Laurenceb> do I need to use volatile in lunix??! 2021-07-10T19:45:23 < Laurenceb> cuz I've got numbers "updating" outside of update codez 2021-07-10T19:47:57 < Steffanx> Are you guys still in some sort of lock down jadew? 2021-07-10T19:48:15 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-10T19:50:37 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/yctjvPGS 2021-07-10T19:50:46 < Laurenceb> frame changes outside of read 2021-07-10T19:51:11 < Laurenceb> alters between the two printfs 2021-07-10T19:51:19 < Laurenceb> volatile needed?! 2021-07-10T19:54:00 < Steffanx> who's changing it? 2021-07-10T19:55:44 < Laurenceb> SocketCAN 2021-07-10T19:55:56 < Laurenceb> ret = read(sock, frame, sizeof(struct can_frame)); 2021-07-10T20:04:42 < Steffanx> or your get_timestamp is messing it up for some unknown reason 2021-07-10T20:05:18 < Laurenceb> hmm 2021-07-10T20:05:27 < Laurenceb> yet the last value is the correct one 2021-07-10T20:05:38 < Laurenceb> first value is from an earlier packet 2021-07-10T20:05:49 < Steffanx> or you have serious memory issues and maybe run it using some tool valgrind and see if it complains about something. 2021-07-10T20:07:59 < Laurenceb> hmm from candump source maybe that reads _everything_ 2021-07-10T20:09:07 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:fc7b:1b80:7be1:fa75] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-10T20:09:15 < Laurenceb> yeah maybe if( (retval=recvmsg(sock, &msg, 0) )<0) gets _everything_ 2021-07-10T20:09:22 < Laurenceb> in which case my code needs rewriting 2021-07-10T20:09:44 < Laurenceb> bbl 2021-07-10T20:21:45 -!- aandrew [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-10T20:33:02 -!- aandrew [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T20:41:25 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-10T21:21:39 < englishman> The American engineer and supercomputer architect Seymour Cray is known to have been a hobby tunneller.[15] Cray built an 8 by 4 feet (2.4 by 1.2 m) cedar-floored tunnel under his house,[16] explaining that the digging helped him to think about computer designs. "While I'm digging in the tunnel, the elves will often come to me with solutions to my problem," he said. 2021-07-10T21:21:44 < englishman> Found a hobby for you Laurenceb 2021-07-10T21:21:51 < englishman> oh he left ;-( 2021-07-10T21:34:21 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-10T21:38:43 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T21:44:57 < BrainDamage> I thought that was already his plan for his hyperloop? 2021-07-10T21:45:38 < ventyl> diggerloop 2021-07-10T22:14:20 -!- ahmster [~hamster@reverse-80.fdn.fr] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T22:44:22 < Steffanx> Laurence can ask that furze guy to help dig a tunnel 2021-07-10T22:49:59 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T23:31:46 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-10T23:41:43 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T23:51:04 < bitmask> damnit 2021-07-10T23:54:29 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-10T23:55:50 < bitmask> i get the great idea to clean out my closet of unorganized crap, get it all out on the bed and now i feel like shit and dont want to move 2021-07-10T23:56:58 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-10T23:57:28 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] --- Day changed Sun Jul 11 2021 2021-07-11T00:01:05 < Steffanx> I believe in you bitmask 2021-07-11T00:03:32 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T00:26:26 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-43-177.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T00:26:39 < kakium69> summer69 2021-07-11T00:27:36 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T00:30:24 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-11T00:30:24 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-11T00:31:55 < BrainDamage> bitmask: get a box and throw everything in it 2021-07-11T00:32:46 < BrainDamage> and possibly go to a doctor if that repeats, it's a symptom of depression 2021-07-11T00:37:11 < kakium69> I did that too 2021-07-11T00:37:44 < kakium69> but I went into the box myself too 2021-07-11T00:40:02 < kakium69> don't get that big box 2021-07-11T00:41:06 < kakium69> assuming you are talking about putting a project in a box? 2021-07-11T00:42:46 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-11T00:47:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T00:48:54 < upgrdman> an pic24 pros in here? the mcu is clocked by an external crystal. when i clock the adc with the internal rc oscillator, i see spikes of noise on one of my ADC channels, sometimes massive 1-sample-long spikes. if i clock the ADC by crystal/2, it's nice and clean. wtf... why?! 2021-07-11T00:49:13 < upgrdman> almost makes me feel like they fucked up some sort of clock domain metastability thing? 2021-07-11T00:49:32 < kakium69> errata? 2021-07-11T00:49:44 < upgrdman> good idea. googling now 2021-07-11T00:53:44 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T00:56:43 < upgrdman> hmm. lots of ADC errata, but none look like the issue i had 2021-07-11T00:56:54 < upgrdman> oh well. "problem's fixed" i hope. 2021-07-11T00:58:18 < kakium69> do you have more chips to try on? 2021-07-11T01:01:18 < upgrdman> not right now, but probably in a few days i will 2021-07-11T01:03:00 < bitmask> BrainDamage not depression, crohns 2021-07-11T01:03:11 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T01:03:14 < specing> pic24?! 2021-07-11T01:03:28 < specing> upgrdman: go to ##pic,it hasn't had a PIC discussion in like a decade LOL 2021-07-11T01:04:51 < upgrdman> lol 2021-07-11T01:05:33 < kakium69> bitmask: sup? 2021-07-11T01:05:43 < bitmask> nothin, hows it going 2021-07-11T01:06:59 < kakium69> it's like hottest day of the year now 2021-07-11T01:07:05 < kakium69> but nights are getting dark 2021-07-11T01:07:26 < bitmask> cooler here today 2021-07-11T01:07:58 < kakium69> I feel a bit down because it means summer is kinda.. behind 2021-07-11T01:08:09 < bitmask> nooo, dont say that 2021-07-11T01:08:43 < kakium69> it's not true but 2021-07-11T01:09:14 < kakium69> dark nights are kind of nature's clock 2021-07-11T01:09:19 < bitmask> but.. kinda is, its gonna go fast, but nothing wrong with that i guess, fall is nice 2021-07-11T01:09:51 < kakium69> true 2021-07-11T01:10:46 < kakium69> day temps are getting just higher and higher though 2021-07-11T01:12:10 < BrainDamage> here temps keep going up until mid-august 2021-07-11T01:13:06 < kakium69> here usually to mid-late july 2021-07-11T01:14:42 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:c071:52ac:d948:d7b9] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T01:14:46 < bitmask> maybe id like it more closer to the equator with less of a temp swing 2021-07-11T01:18:45 < BrainDamage> funningly enough I'm nortthern than most us 2021-07-11T01:19:15 < bitmask> where are you 2021-07-11T01:19:25 < kakium69> it 2021-07-11T01:19:26 < bitmask> and kaki, i forget, where are you 2021-07-11T01:19:31 < kakium69> fi 2021-07-11T01:19:35 < bitmask> ahh 2021-07-11T01:20:42 < BrainDamage> 45.8N 2021-07-11T02:10:05 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/9B0pEiN.png 2021-07-11T02:10:09 < bitmask> i think i should reprint the gold insert, flow is def too low 2021-07-11T02:10:13 < bitmask> just wondering if i should choose bronze instead of gold 2021-07-11T02:11:10 < upgrdman> radiation huh? 2021-07-11T02:11:38 < bitmask> printing a lead lined container to hold mild samples 2021-07-11T02:12:44 < upgrdman> i wish the radiation meters at work had a data out port 2021-07-11T02:12:58 < upgrdman> would make calibrating our other shit so much easier 2021-07-11T02:13:14 < bitmask> i ordered a very cheap meter, i just want to compare to natural background radiation so thats all i need 2021-07-11T02:15:08 < jadew> https://imageproxy.ifunny.co/crop:x-20,resize:640x,quality:90x75/images/75c043f4b6102935153ebc31de2391b19c3c7e9a8a42e4cfd60b690df6544863_1.jpg 2021-07-11T02:15:30 < bitmask> no, my dad did 2021-07-11T02:16:35 < upgrdman> anyone walk a lot (or hike, etc.) ? are "merino wool" socks worth the ridiculous prices? 2021-07-11T02:17:20 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T02:17:20 < Laurenceb> damn lunix you crazy 2021-07-11T02:17:27 < Laurenceb> ree lunix 2021-07-11T02:17:37 < Laurenceb> socketcan is "working" 2021-07-11T02:17:47 < upgrdman> what like anus torvalds do to your now 2021-07-11T02:17:50 < Laurenceb> timeout works correctly with a busy socket 2021-07-11T02:17:57 < upgrdman> s/your/you 2021-07-11T02:18:23 < Laurenceb> with one packet per second it gives up to 20ms delay when I ask it to timeout after 50us 2021-07-11T02:18:35 < Laurenceb> Lunix kernel has some sort of adaptive timer 2021-07-11T02:18:46 < upgrdman> i thought normal lunix was NOT real time 2021-07-11T02:18:55 < Laurenceb> heh 2021-07-11T02:19:33 < Laurenceb> with timeout=0 (never), it works with <300us delay at all times 2021-07-11T02:20:00 < Laurenceb> but I need timeout 2021-07-11T02:21:32 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-11T02:21:39 -!- funky [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T02:21:55 -!- funky is now known as Streaker 2021-07-11T02:37:23 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-11T02:37:51 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T02:47:25 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-11T02:55:16 < Laurenceb> sheet wtf 2021-07-11T02:55:31 < Laurenceb> maybe Lunix is using the wrong units for timeput 2021-07-11T02:55:34 < Laurenceb> *timeout 2021-07-11T02:55:46 < Laurenceb> 5us is much more well behaved 2021-07-11T03:02:01 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-11T03:29:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T03:36:01 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 2021-07-11T04:35:11 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-11T04:46:54 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-11T05:03:09 < bitmask> haha i bought two boxes of scotch brite pads, one grey one red, i knew there were 26 pads in each, what i didnt know is that each pad is 6x9" 2021-07-11T05:03:34 < upgrdman> heh 2021-07-11T05:08:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-11T05:14:32 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T05:14:32 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@82-69-39-176.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-11T05:14:32 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T06:27:56 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T06:42:57 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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What brings you here on this Sunday? 2021-07-11T14:23:30 < tct> not much 2021-07-11T14:23:36 < tct> how about you? anything special going on? 2021-07-11T14:24:38 < Steffanx> Nope 2021-07-11T14:39:44 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T14:40:27 < Laurenceb> fucking lunix 2021-07-11T14:40:36 < Laurenceb> entire lunix kernel uses weird adaptive clocking 2021-07-11T14:40:47 < specing> advanced lunix 2021-07-11T14:40:58 < Laurenceb> udp is laggy until I use it 2021-07-11T14:41:06 < Laurenceb> why so complex reee 2021-07-11T14:41:06 < BrainDamage> you can disable tickless kernel 2021-07-11T14:41:12 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-11T14:41:12 < BrainDamage> and use a static tick 2021-07-11T14:41:16 < BrainDamage> power save 2021-07-11T14:41:48 < Laurenceb> ideally I want it to limit to ~1ms not >=10ms 2021-07-11T14:42:16 < Laurenceb> atm single udp packet = up to 20ms delay 2021-07-11T14:42:24 < BrainDamage> unrelated https://github.com/mvp/uhubctl 2021-07-11T14:42:26 < Laurenceb> a load of udp packets = <100us delay 2021-07-11T14:43:41 < Laurenceb> changing priority has no effect on behaviour 2021-07-11T14:45:10 < Laurenceb> looks like I need to consult a lunix internals guru 2021-07-11T14:45:28 < Laurenceb> ideally there would be a way to limit delay in tickless operation 2021-07-11T14:46:27 < BrainDamage> you can set the scheduler frequency even in tickless mode 2021-07-11T14:46:36 < BrainDamage> config_hz 2021-07-11T14:47:07 < BrainDamage> then the kernel will fire up an interrupt at that frequency 2021-07-11T14:49:03 < Laurenceb> at runtime from userspace? 2021-07-11T14:50:25 < BrainDamage> it's a compile time, and it's in kernelspace 2021-07-11T14:50:31 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-11T14:50:42 < Laurenceb> I want to avoid recompiling the kernel if poss 2021-07-11T14:50:54 < BrainDamage> good luck with that 2021-07-11T14:50:59 < Laurenceb> maybe there is some nasty haxor I can do 2021-07-11T14:51:04 < BrainDamage> you're on a shittberry pi, right? 2021-07-11T14:51:08 < Laurenceb> I dont care if the processing is slow 2021-07-11T14:51:09 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-11T14:51:10 < BrainDamage> those have 50 or 100Hz 2021-07-11T14:51:22 < Laurenceb> its the io responsiveness as it needs to handshake and stuff 2021-07-11T14:58:17 < Laurenceb> I could use pthreads 2021-07-11T14:58:28 < Laurenceb> but would that give similar delay? 2021-07-11T14:59:08 < BrainDamage> 🤷 2021-07-11T15:00:37 < Laurenceb> https://probablydance.com/2019/12/30/measuring-mutexes-spinlocks-and-how-bad-the-linux-scheduler-really-is/ 2021-07-11T15:00:42 < Laurenceb> holy shit wut 2021-07-11T15:00:50 < Laurenceb> at least my delays arent that bad 2021-07-11T15:01:55 < Laurenceb> /proc/sys/kernel/sched_min_granularity_n 2021-07-11T15:01:59 < Laurenceb> interdasting 2021-07-11T15:02:00 < ventyl> that's an old article 2021-07-11T15:02:38 < ventyl> and I am not quite sure I can agree with it 2021-07-11T15:02:58 < Laurenceb> oh wow theres a bazillion settings 2021-07-11T15:03:58 < Laurenceb> ideally I'd need a way to "kick" it in the same way getting ~20 UDP packets does 2021-07-11T15:04:22 < Laurenceb> so it actually becomes responsive for a while 2021-07-11T15:05:05 < Laurenceb> time to look at all this shit 2021-07-11T15:05:59 < Laurenceb> /proc/sys/kernel/sched_wakeup_granularity_ns is 3ms, not idea to start with 2021-07-11T15:06:29 < ventyl> umm, what is the exact problem you are trying to resolve? 2021-07-11T15:06:42 < ventyl> long delay before sending a burst of frames? 2021-07-11T15:10:54 < Laurenceb> ventyl: I need to handshake with a raspberry pi over can bus 2021-07-11T15:11:15 < Laurenceb> lots of devices handshaking at once is really fast, like <500us to handshake for most of them 2021-07-11T15:11:34 < Laurenceb> 1 device handshaking per second has huge delay of close to 20ms 2021-07-11T15:11:53 < Laurenceb> I need <10ms ot handshake or the device will go into safe mode 2021-07-11T15:18:56 < ventyl> and what is raspberry pi doing in terms of waiting for handshake? sitting in read() from socketcan socket? 2021-07-11T15:19:02 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-11T15:19:32 < ventyl> and. how is your cpufreq set up? 2021-07-11T15:20:44 < Steffanx> Using lunix for real-time shit without real-time shit. Yay. 2021-07-11T15:21:03 < ventyl> i don't think that this is clear case of lack of realtime capabilities 2021-07-11T15:21:35 < ventyl> i would expect that due to inactivity there is some power saving mode applied and a lot of delay is accounted to activating high performance mode 2021-07-11T15:21:44 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-11T15:21:50 < Steffanx> But the 10 ms demand is there. And can you guarantee this on lunix? With other applications running as well 2021-07-11T15:22:06 < Laurenceb> ventyl: I'm not sure how frequency is set up, I'm guessing its >600MHz at all time 2021-07-11T15:22:31 < Laurenceb> /proc/sys/kernel/sched_latency_ns can be changed, but it has no effect on the measured latency 2021-07-11T15:22:42 < ventyl> Laurenceb: to guess means knowing shit 2021-07-11T15:24:02 < BrainDamage> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/scaling_governor 2021-07-11T15:24:17 < Laurenceb> 600MHz atm 2021-07-11T15:24:38 < Laurenceb> ondemand 2021-07-11T15:24:39 < BrainDamage> give the answer for that 2021-07-11T15:24:49 < BrainDamage> ok, set to schedutil or performance 2021-07-11T15:24:57 < ventyl> Laurenceb: that means, that freq goes down and latencies go up if there is no load 2021-07-11T15:25:01 < BrainDamage> performance would be better for your case 2021-07-11T15:25:30 < Laurenceb> hmm 2021-07-11T15:25:39 < Laurenceb> doesnt that just set the core speed? 2021-07-11T15:25:58 < ventyl> nope 2021-07-11T15:25:59 < BrainDamage> the core goes to sleep if there's no load 2021-07-11T15:26:08 < ventyl> also some peripherals 2021-07-11T15:26:29 < Laurenceb> hmm ok 2021-07-11T15:26:43 < Laurenceb> I'll try it 2021-07-11T15:28:03 < Laurenceb> no effect 2021-07-11T15:28:19 < kakium69> he trying to make raspi usable? 2021-07-11T15:29:04 < Laurenceb> heh 2021-07-11T15:29:25 < Laurenceb> unironically hope Musk doesnt get blown up in Bransons death trap in a few hours time 2021-07-11T15:31:02 < ventyl> musk? 2021-07-11T15:31:38 < tct> you don't want Sir. Scamalot to blow up? 2021-07-11T15:33:01 < kakium69> what is muskie doing? 2021-07-11T15:33:03 < kakium69> today? 2021-07-11T15:33:20 < tct> pumpin' with stvn 2021-07-11T15:33:25 < tct> Steffanx confirmed 2021-07-11T15:33:32 < Laurenceb> flying with Branson in spaceship9001 or whatever its called 2021-07-11T15:33:34 < kakium69> docking with stvn 2021-07-11T15:33:55 < kakium69> Laurenceb: cool 2021-07-11T15:34:36 < ventyl> Laurenceb: where did you get the info that Musk has to be on that flight? 2021-07-11T15:34:49 < kakium69> lurencer is insider 2021-07-11T15:34:57 < kakium69> musk has him on speeddial 2021-07-11T15:35:13 < Laurenceb> nasaspaceflight forumz 2021-07-11T15:35:28 < Laurenceb> >zero g docking with Bransons anal port 2021-07-11T15:35:30 < tct> blaxter is the ground op 2021-07-11T15:35:42 < tct> blaxter coordinates the lubing process 2021-07-11T15:36:00 < Laurenceb> lollll 2021-07-11T15:36:08 < tct> :D 2021-07-11T15:36:17 < Steffanx> i always wonder how Laurenceb who i consider a smart guy can say such dumb things. 2021-07-11T15:36:29 < tct> same here 2021-07-11T15:36:44 < Steffanx> schizophrenia is real? 2021-07-11T15:36:45 < tct> but hey... it has been worse, right? 2021-07-11T15:36:54 < tct> I'm literally okay with anybody here. 2021-07-11T15:37:06 < tct> except for zyp ofc. as we all know zyp just sucks :p 2021-07-11T15:37:07 < Steffanx> Tell cracki that, he doesnt want to come to ##stm32 here :P 2021-07-11T15:37:14 < tct> Steffanx, how come? 2021-07-11T15:37:39 < Steffanx> He hates us. because he got banned and he doesnt like karlp 2021-07-11T15:37:57 < tct> why did he get banned? 2021-07-11T15:38:35 < Steffanx> i dont even remember 2021-07-11T15:38:42 < tct> cracki was the german dude, right? 2021-07-11T15:38:48 < Steffanx> oui 2021-07-11T15:39:13 < tct> Steffanx, what is the preferred/recommended way to break up with a dutch person? 2021-07-11T15:40:05 < Steffanx> lol, what kind if weird question is this. Totally depends on the situation 2021-07-11T15:42:00 < tct> mawk, any input? 2021-07-11T15:42:08 < mawk> what 2021-07-11T15:42:45 < mawk> who do you want to break up with 2021-07-11T15:42:52 < Steffanx> You 2021-07-11T15:42:54 < Steffanx> And me 2021-07-11T15:42:55 < mawk> :( 2021-07-11T15:43:03 < tct> potentially a dutch gf 2021-07-11T15:43:10 < Steffanx> Yours? 2021-07-11T15:43:13 < mawk> what did she do 2021-07-11T15:43:19 < mawk> has she been a bad gf? 2021-07-11T15:43:20 < Steffanx> Or asking for a friend? 2021-07-11T15:43:55 < tct> Steffanx, shouldn't matter 2021-07-11T15:44:13 < tct> mawk, the situation is past that point 2021-07-11T15:44:21 < mawk> tell them "sorry I'm depressed I can't see you anymore" and they will have to depart in blissful ignorance that the situation is not salvageable 2021-07-11T15:44:25 < mawk> and they won't try to fight it back 2021-07-11T15:44:57 < mawk> if you don't give a reason for breakup they will want one, and when you give a reason that is even remotely actionable by them they will try to fix it 2021-07-11T15:44:57 < Steffanx> Lol. And then live with your gf who you don't want to send back to Paris for a year ? ;) 2021-07-11T15:45:03 < mawk> lol 2021-07-11T15:45:05 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-11T15:45:17 < mawk> the cat is hers so if I kick her out I lose my precious cat 2021-07-11T15:45:25 < mawk> that's the main reason she's still here 2021-07-11T15:45:29 < mawk> but she doesn't know it 2021-07-11T15:45:29 < Steffanx> She's still there? 2021-07-11T15:45:30 < Steffanx> Ahh 2021-07-11T15:45:32 < Steffanx> Lol 2021-07-11T15:45:37 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-11T15:45:57 < tct> mawk, damit man - it is very scary how spot on your explanation was LOL 2021-07-11T15:46:14 < mawk> lol 2021-07-11T15:46:46 < Xogium> can't help but think a relation isn't worth it lol everyone keeps breaking up all the time 2021-07-11T15:46:49 < mawk> well if I get left with a reason that is even a bit modifiable by me, I would totally try to fix it; so better to say it's because of something nobody can change 2021-07-11T15:47:14 < mawk> well the time before breaking up is arguably worth it Xogium 2021-07-11T15:47:20 < Steffanx> Like a mawk can be changed.. 2021-07-11T15:47:24 < tct> mawk, the trying to fix part already happened 2021-07-11T15:47:39 < mawk> during breakup you feel bad for like 2 months until you find a new smash buddy on tinder 2021-07-11T15:47:44 < mawk> but your relationship can last for years 2021-07-11T15:47:59 < Steffanx> A Russian one with an abusive husband? 2021-07-11T15:48:06 < Steffanx> Good luck 2021-07-11T15:48:14 < Steffanx> Is that still a thing mawk? 2021-07-11T15:48:25 < mawk> then if you're confident she won't try to fix it again tct you just say that time is up now, and there's no fixing possible anymore 2021-07-11T15:48:28 < mawk> yes Steffanx 2021-07-11T15:48:42 < mawk> of course 2021-07-11T15:48:46 < mawk> it's been like a year now 2021-07-11T15:48:48 < mawk> I didn't count 2021-07-11T15:49:06 < tct> mawk, because dutch girlfriends are known to be good at accepting failure? LOL 2021-07-11T15:49:23 < mawk> lol 2021-07-11T15:49:45 < mawk> well I'm speaking for what I would want someone to do if they break up with me, and I'm officially dutch 2021-07-11T15:49:50 < mawk> I'm not a girlfriend though 2021-07-11T15:50:27 < tct> when & how did you become officially dutch? Did you have to walk across a tulips field with wooden shoes? 2021-07-11T15:50:36 < mawk> when I was born 2021-07-11T15:50:45 < tct> wtf I thought you were a frenchman 2021-07-11T15:50:48 < mawk> but then the law got a bit fuzzy and I wasn't dutch for some years 2021-07-11T15:50:50 < mawk> yes 2021-07-11T15:50:52 < mawk> I'm both 2021-07-11T15:50:58 < mawk> dutch and french and luxembourgisch 2021-07-11T15:51:12 < tct> are you pulling a scam of some sorts? 2021-07-11T15:51:17 < mawk> lol 2021-07-11T15:51:18 < mawk> no 2021-07-11T15:51:23 < tct> you probably should 2021-07-11T15:51:56 < mawk> my mother is french, my father is dutch, and my great-great--great-grandfather was luxembourgisch 2021-07-11T15:52:10 < BrainDamage> if you want weird, I have a friend that has pompeii on his birth certificate 2021-07-11T15:52:21 < BrainDamage> his mother went into labor there while visiting 2021-07-11T15:52:27 < mawk> so I asked the "ministry of indigenes" of Luxembourg to recover my luxembourg citizenship and it worked 2021-07-11T15:52:46 < mawk> nice BrainDamage 2021-07-11T15:52:46 < tct> BrainDamage, how did he turn out? 2021-07-11T15:52:52 < ventyl> ministry of liver 2021-07-11T15:53:06 < tct> not sure why that made me giggle. 2021-07-11T15:53:12 < tct> but it did. 2021-07-11T15:53:14 < BrainDamage> tct: alive, since i met him 2021-07-11T15:54:20 < mawk> I have to make a dutch passport to be able to vote though 2021-07-11T15:54:29 < mawk> and most important to be able to buy cigarettes from vending machines 2021-07-11T15:54:29 < mawk> you have to swipe your passport in iy 2021-07-11T15:54:35 < mawk> it* 2021-07-11T15:54:54 < BrainDamage> you passport?! 2021-07-11T15:54:57 < BrainDamage> * your passport?! 2021-07-11T15:54:58 < ventyl> so, no foreigners can buy cigarettes in dutchland? 2021-07-11T15:55:02 < BrainDamage> why not your id card 2021-07-11T15:55:03 < mawk> yes BrainDamage 2021-07-11T15:55:07 < mawk> to prove your age 2021-07-11T15:55:14 < mawk> maybe ID card works too 2021-07-11T15:55:32 < mawk> ventyl they can, in tobacco shops 2021-07-11T15:55:40 < mawk> but I don't like people so I prefer machines 2021-07-11T15:55:44 < ventyl> ah, not that I would be affected anyway 2021-07-11T15:55:48 < mawk> and the machine didn't like my french passport 2021-07-11T15:56:14 < Steffanx> Smoking... 2021-07-11T15:56:24 < mawk> it's just for rolling joints 2021-07-11T15:56:29 < mawk> not for smoking 2021-07-11T15:56:45 < Steffanx> Are Swiss girls that much different from dutch girls mr tct? 2021-07-11T15:56:53 < mawk> they talk louder 2021-07-11T15:57:19 < mawk> and they have blonde pigtails 2021-07-11T15:57:29 < mawk> also they yodel in the bed 2021-07-11T15:58:02 < englishman> Steffanx: I believe he got banned because he was a depressed hateful incel 2021-07-11T15:58:07 < tct> Steffanx, answering that would require a longer dialog, I wouldn't want to say anything that might sound wrong. Different yes, but that doesn't mean bad/worse. 2021-07-11T15:58:14 < mawk> he didn't talk about women englishman 2021-07-11T15:58:17 < mawk> you remember it wrong 2021-07-11T15:58:23 < tct> englishman, is that regarding cracki? 2021-07-11T15:58:24 < mawk> he was just depressed and slightly racist 2021-07-11T15:58:34 < tct> sounds like a normal german to me 2021-07-11T15:58:36 < mawk> he's gay, he's not an incel 2021-07-11T15:58:40 < mawk> he doesn't care about women 2021-07-11T15:58:59 < englishman> I didn't car enough to notice 2021-07-11T15:59:27 < mawk> he's a very nice guy 2021-07-11T15:59:47 < mawk> just having depression 2021-07-11T16:00:05 < mawk> and slightly radical opinions on certain topics 2021-07-11T16:00:08 < englishman> there's other channels for that 2021-07-11T16:00:35 < mawk> yes well that's what he ended up doing 2021-07-11T16:00:38 < englishman> this one is for fawning over how great msp430 is 2021-07-11T16:00:42 < mawk> he never came back 2021-07-11T16:01:04 < englishman> being banned and unable to join is a good reason to not come back 2021-07-11T16:01:18 < mawk> he was unbanned on freenode but still didn't came back 2021-07-11T16:01:26 < mawk> even when I told him he could join again 2021-07-11T16:02:21 < mawk> send her buy comcombers and change the locks tct 2021-07-11T16:02:25 < mawk> best way to breakup 2021-07-11T16:02:40 < ventyl> fucking washing machine. i wasn't able to activate one function about a week ago. now it is activated even without activating it 2021-07-11T16:02:43 < ventyl> that software is a crap 2021-07-11T16:02:46 < mawk> that's how I got rid of a sticky uncle squatting at my mother in law place 2021-07-11T16:02:56 < mawk> have you read the manual ventyl ? 2021-07-11T16:03:21 < Steffanx> Cucumber mawk? 2021-07-11T16:03:24 < Steffanx> Or komkommer? 2021-07-11T16:03:31 < mawk> komkombre 2021-07-11T16:03:39 < englishman> if he was unbanned it was in error 2021-07-11T16:03:41 < mawk> concombre à la sauce blanche 2021-07-11T16:04:06 < ventyl> mawk: well, i had. but I know that it has shitty software since the day 0 2021-07-11T16:04:29 < ventyl> as almost always I have to press any key before next keypress is interpreted in a way described in the manual 2021-07-11T16:04:46 < ventyl> so I expect that memory isn't zeroed after MCU boots up 2021-07-11T16:04:47 < mawk> it's the THERAC-20 of washing machines 2021-07-11T16:05:07 < mawk> killing your laundry after operator error 2021-07-11T16:06:26 < ventyl> oh poor pillow :( 2021-07-11T16:07:05 < mawk> Steffanx you stole all the greens from french 2021-07-11T16:07:57 < mawk> aubergine aux radijs 2021-07-11T16:10:03 < mawk> sur mon fauteuil 2021-07-11T16:10:30 < Steffanx> je ne parle pas français 2021-07-11T16:10:54 < Steffanx> was me i think, englishman, no error 2021-07-11T16:11:11 < englishman> are you implying you never make errors 2021-07-11T16:11:34 < Steffanx> nope, but it was an error 2021-07-11T16:12:24 < ventyl> was or was not? 2021-07-11T16:12:27 < Steffanx> wanst 2021-07-11T16:12:31 < Steffanx> wasnt. lol 2021-07-11T16:12:42 < Steffanx> that WAS an error :P 2021-07-11T16:12:47 < Steffanx> or a mistake. 2021-07-11T16:13:08 < ventyl> now I got completely lost and also lost any remaining interest into this topic 2021-07-11T16:13:32 < Steffanx> yeah, same 2021-07-11T16:13:45 < Steffanx> it too warm for this today. 2021-07-11T16:14:10 < englishman> yes good thermals 2021-07-11T16:14:32 < Steffanx> need break up advice instead, ventyl? 2021-07-11T16:14:53 < tct> :D 2021-07-11T16:15:28 < ventyl> any breakup advice would have to be prepended by dating advice. otherwise my girlfriend count could underflow unsigned char I guess 2021-07-11T16:15:40 < ventyl> and I don't want to have 256 girlfriends 2021-07-11T16:16:15 < BrainDamage> or just be aware of your boundaries 2021-07-11T16:16:25 < BrainDamage> or don't use two's complement 2021-07-11T16:17:03 < ventyl> that would still make like 128 too many of them 2021-07-11T16:19:24 < Steffanx> you dont need a gf or bf to get break up advice 2021-07-11T16:25:35 < specing> ventyl: 127* 2021-07-11T16:29:34 < mawk> so tct what are you going to do 2021-07-11T16:29:57 < tct> letting her cool down - like the last N times. 2021-07-11T16:30:09 < mawk> is she having anger issues? 2021-07-11T16:30:30 < mawk> or does she suffer from malignant hyperthermia and she's literally cooling down in an ice bath in your bathtub 2021-07-11T16:30:33 < tct> probably doesn't quality as "issues" 2021-07-11T16:30:40 < mawk> anger personality 2021-07-11T16:30:42 < tct> certainly not the latter 2021-07-11T16:36:18 < mawk> does she have a therapist? 2021-07-11T16:37:56 < tct> sorry mate, I'm not going to share any information on irc 2021-07-11T16:37:58 < Steffanx> Time for a beer and relax, tct 2021-07-11T16:38:06 < tct> Steffanx, I am pretty chill. just sad. 2021-07-11T16:38:31 < Steffanx> Alright 2021-07-11T16:38:39 < mawk> you can share in private message if you like 2021-07-11T16:38:55 < mawk> people shared enough incriminating information to me for me to send them to jail, and they're still free 2021-07-11T16:39:03 < mawk> which testifies to my secret-keeping abilities 2021-07-11T16:39:09 < tct> I appreciate the offer, thanks. but she deserves better than me talking about that level of personal stuff on irc 2021-07-11T16:39:19 < tct> I don't doubt that 2021-07-11T16:39:29 < Steffanx> Lol mawk. I'm not convinced 2021-07-11T16:39:40 < mawk> lol 2021-07-11T16:39:41 < mawk> why not 2021-07-11T16:40:02 < mawk> if you tell me "I have this rash on my penis can you take a look?" you can be sure I won't leak your picture 2021-07-11T16:40:02 < tct> but you're also not convicted ;-) 2021-07-11T16:40:06 < mawk> lol 2021-07-11T16:40:36 < tct> so your one compelling argument involves people sending you dick pics 2021-07-11T16:40:42 < tct> stvn alerted 2021-07-11T16:41:04 < Steffanx> Sexy times 😍 2021-07-11T16:41:08 < tct> didn't know we had utf8 support 2021-07-11T16:41:27 < tct> was freenode non-utf8? I certainly didn't update my client. 2021-07-11T16:42:46 < mawk> lol it was a hypothetical tct 2021-07-11T16:43:02 < mawk> more like people admitting to doing illegal stuff 2021-07-11T16:43:05 < tct> well too late. dick pics are on their way to you. 2021-07-11T16:43:06 < mawk> and they're still free 2021-07-11T16:43:16 < mawk> some are in jail but not because of me, just their own stupidity 2021-07-11T16:43:26 < tct> french people? 2021-07-11T16:43:28 < mawk> I even sent a postcard to the one in jail, I'm a good friend 2021-07-11T16:43:30 < mawk> yes 2021-07-11T16:43:41 < mawk> I await the dick pic 2021-07-11T16:44:05 < tct> time to pull the bathroom surveillance footage from when Steffanx visited. 2021-07-11T16:44:13 < mawk> lol 2021-07-11T16:44:54 < mawk> irc is encoding agnostic tct 2021-07-11T16:44:59 < mawk> freenode was utf8 if you wanted it to be 2021-07-11T16:45:05 < englishman> sorry to hear about your romantic problems tct 2021-07-11T16:45:29 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-11T16:45:57 < tct> englishman no worries, it hasn't been romantic for a while 2021-07-11T16:45:58 < englishman> interesting that you chose to come to irc for advice but i can see that 2021-07-11T16:46:10 < englishman> that sucks you seemed to be having a good time 2021-07-11T16:46:22 < tct> "seemed" ;p 2021-07-11T16:47:59 < Steffanx> Poor dog 2021-07-11T16:50:01 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T16:51:02 < mawk> what's wrong with coming to irc for advice englishman 2021-07-11T16:57:45 < BrainDamage> is it just me or has the rate of aliexpress spam climbed considerably? 2021-07-11T17:04:36 < mawk> I think your IRC client has a problem tct 2021-07-11T17:04:40 < mawk> I didn't receive any picture yet 2021-07-11T17:05:36 < BrainDamage> check your ctcp settings 2021-07-11T17:05:41 < mawk> the last time I sent a dick pic on irc to a gay guy he kept it in his files for years 2021-07-11T17:05:49 < Steffanx> Not for me BrainDamage .. no aliexpress span 2021-07-11T17:05:49 < mawk> and when he heard I had a girlfriend he sent it to her 2021-07-11T17:05:51 < Steffanx> Spam. 2021-07-11T17:05:52 < englishman> they have always spammed a lot, but a lot of it went to google spam filters 2021-07-11T17:06:46 < Steffanx> That's also way of introducing it to her, mawk 2021-07-11T17:06:51 < mawk> lol 2021-07-11T17:07:48 < BrainDamage> was he envious? 2021-07-11T17:07:55 < mawk> probably 2021-07-11T17:08:06 < mawk> of all the gay guys I talked to they all wanted to have sex with pe 2021-07-11T17:08:08 < mawk> me 2021-07-11T17:08:11 < mawk> except Cracki 2021-07-11T17:08:26 < mawk> not counting the closeted ones I don't know about 2021-07-11T17:08:30 < Steffanx> Cracki is to shy to say it 2021-07-11T17:08:37 < mawk> lol 2021-07-11T17:08:58 < BrainDamage> probably the dating pool for them is so small they have to take all the chances 2021-07-11T17:09:53 < BrainDamage> also, mawk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cSANFkUz3A 2021-07-11T17:12:14 < mawk> who is this mister brownstone 2021-07-11T17:12:30 < BrainDamage> heroin 2021-07-11T17:12:55 < mawk> ah yes 2021-07-11T17:13:01 < mawk> mister brown sugar 2021-07-11T17:13:24 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 2021-07-11T17:14:02 < BrainDamage> and the band got a loong history with that 2021-07-11T17:14:50 < mawk> I don't think I've ever did real mr. brownstone, the purity is horrendous this day 2021-07-11T17:14:57 < mawk> I'd like to get some real one before I die though 2021-07-11T17:15:10 < mawk> and access the pantheon of guitarists 2021-07-11T17:17:56 < BrainDamage> jimi hendrix got by with lsd 2021-07-11T17:19:17 < Laurenceb> now ur sounding like my dad 2021-07-11T17:21:59 < BrainDamage> your dad took lsd to follow jimi hendrix's career aspirations? 2021-07-11T17:38:44 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T17:51:35 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T17:56:29 < Laurenceb> yes 2021-07-11T17:56:36 < Laurenceb> >Colbert 2021-07-11T17:56:39 < Laurenceb> the state of this 2021-07-11T17:57:33 < Laurenceb> tbf he is more McAfee than Hendrix 2021-07-11T18:01:59 < Laurenceb> cringey presenters 2021-07-11T18:02:05 < Laurenceb> I'm cringing hard 2021-07-11T18:02:35 < Laurenceb> inb4 it blows up 2021-07-11T18:04:00 < Laurenceb> keeek the livechat spammers, its like scrolling 4chan 2021-07-11T18:04:19 < Laurenceb> only think that makes up for the cringe 2021-07-11T18:05:12 < Laurenceb> >more cringe 2021-07-11T18:05:21 < Laurenceb> wtf I want it to blow up now 2021-07-11T18:06:20 < Laurenceb> >they disabled comments but left livechat open 2021-07-11T18:06:21 < Laurenceb> fail 2021-07-11T18:06:51 < Laurenceb> lolll 4chan are spamming with India = poo memes 2021-07-11T18:07:22 < Laurenceb> >millions of turd emojis 2021-07-11T18:07:51 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T18:08:00 < Laurenceb> now the trump supporters have found the livechat lol 2021-07-11T18:08:23 < Laurenceb> tfw the livechat is more amusing than the launch 2021-07-11T18:09:41 < Laurenceb> >buy dogecoin >vaccines = illuminati death plot 2021-07-11T18:11:28 < R2COM> trump is a leftie, just like biden, and trump supporters are stupid muricans. two camps, democrats and "republicans" - supporters of both are people with down syndrome 2021-07-11T18:19:30 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-11T18:20:43 < mawk> I thought hendrix died of barbiturate and alcohol BrainDamage 2021-07-11T18:21:59 < mawk> like a lot of stars 2021-07-11T18:22:18 < mawk> amy wienerhouse, michael jackson 2021-07-11T18:22:54 < mawk> it's like they have this one cool drug and the only indication is "don't mix with alcohol", but they still do it and die 2021-07-11T18:23:04 < mawk> too bad for them 2021-07-11T18:23:12 < mawk> in the meantime I'm the one still alive 2021-07-11T18:23:42 < BrainDamage> you almost can't overdose on lsd 2021-07-11T18:23:49 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-11T18:24:01 < mawk> I heard a story of a guy that iv'd 300mg of lsd thinking it was cocaine 2021-07-11T18:24:07 < mawk> his only physical symptom was nosebleed 2021-07-11T18:24:11 < BrainDamage> also, I said nothing about hhis death 2021-07-11T18:24:15 < mawk> ah 2021-07-11T18:24:21 < mawk> I didn't know what "get by" meant 2021-07-11T18:24:33 < BrainDamage> use lsd as inspiration 2021-07-11T18:25:15 < BrainDamage> jackson didn't die by his own hand 2021-07-11T18:25:26 < BrainDamage> he was killed by his personal doctor 2021-07-11T18:29:07 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T18:31:14 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-11T18:31:19 < mawk> but same reason for dying 2021-07-11T18:31:22 < mawk> barbiturates 2021-07-11T18:40:18 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-11T19:02:19 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T19:02:21 < Laurenceb> well that was boring 2021-07-11T19:02:26 < Laurenceb> was Musk even onboard? 2021-07-11T19:06:27 < Steffanx> No... 2021-07-11T19:06:34 < Steffanx> Was he supposed to be? 2021-07-11T19:12:02 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-11T19:19:14 < Laurenceb> Nasaspaceflight forum lied to me 2021-07-11T19:19:17 < Laurenceb> reee 2021-07-11T19:19:21 < Laurenceb> Branson, Bezos, and everyone like them are all reptilian aliens who were stranded on Earth in the Roswell crash of the 1950's and have been waiting all this time for human technology to advance enough to get them back into space so they can go home. That's why these people don't even act like humans: they're not humans at all, they're just in 2021-07-11T19:19:22 < Laurenceb> disguise as humans. 2021-07-11T19:19:22 < Laurenceb> Elon Musk, too. That's why he's really building a 'Starship'; he'll secretly include his alien FTL drive system in it, insist on going on the maiden flight into 'orbit', and then mysteriously disappear when he actives the FTL drive and heads back to his home planet. 2021-07-11T19:20:21 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T19:22:13 < ventyl> Laurenceb: then the alienest of them is that one Facebook guy 2021-07-11T19:22:20 < ventyl> it looks either as an alien, or evil android 2021-07-11T19:22:22 < Laurenceb> lol 2021-07-11T19:36:58 < mawk> markie zuckie 2021-07-11T19:51:03 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/igKqjUQS 2021-07-11T19:51:08 < Laurenceb> codez is working.. for now 2021-07-11T19:51:33 < Laurenceb> I worry there are som eedge cases where it might stall for ~20ms as the Kernel switches between clocking modes 2021-07-11T19:51:43 < Laurenceb> it passes all my test cases.... 2021-07-11T19:52:05 < Laurenceb> rare 20ms stall probably wont be fatal, will need to test it in service 2021-07-11T19:52:47 < Laurenceb> getting 23kB/s throughput with <500us latency atm 2021-07-11T19:55:54 < Laurenceb> this system is basically emulating USB bulk over CAN 2021-07-11T19:58:26 < Laurenceb> keekkkkk https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49270.500 2021-07-11T19:58:40 < Laurenceb> https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2021/04/response-to-tajmars-new-cavity-results.htmlhttps://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2021/04/response-to-tajmars-new-cavity-results.html 2021-07-11T20:01:13 < Laurenceb> he has really lost his marbles this time 2021-07-11T20:02:38 < Laurenceb> >At IAC 2021 Roger Shawyer will present a paper on his cryo superconducting CubeSat EmDrive with a 12.3N/kWe specific thrust. 2021-07-11T20:02:43 < Laurenceb> cool story bro 2021-07-11T20:03:39 < Laurenceb> like dude like what if ermm *smokes bong* what if we erm.. what if we took a magnet and put in space bro?! 2021-07-11T20:13:46 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::6090] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-11T20:18:13 < BrainDamage> 12N/W you should be able to take an AA battery and it'd have enough power to push it against your hand 2021-07-11T20:18:36 < BrainDamage> 12N/kW* 2021-07-11T20:19:23 < BrainDamage> that's the same force of 1g of mass with 1W 2021-07-11T20:19:48 < BrainDamage> don't even need a vacuum chamber 2021-07-11T20:32:38 < englishman> wait 2021-07-11T20:32:51 < englishman> are you saying you can experience 1g of force in earth gravity 2021-07-11T20:33:04 < BrainDamage> that's a pinch of salt 2021-07-11T20:33:50 < BrainDamage> so, yes 2021-07-11T20:33:58 < englishman> this magical 1g of force sounds like free energy 2021-07-11T20:34:16 < englishman> maybe we can use this force in reverse to generate electricity 2021-07-11T20:34:32 < englishman> such as this 1g of force of water acting on a turbine of some kind 2021-07-11T20:34:46 < BrainDamage> if the effiency was as they claimed, you could indeed make an overunity device 2021-07-11T20:35:19 < BrainDamage> too bad it's all bollocks 2021-07-11T20:35:31 < ventyl> the only drive, which was based on exotic physics, while still was sound in its foundation was MEGA 2021-07-11T20:35:38 < ventyl> sega megadrive 2021-07-11T20:36:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-11T20:36:08 < englishman> and it certainly wasn't very efficient 2021-07-11T20:36:13 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::2930] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T20:36:51 < ventyl> it wasn't but it claimed, it doesn't need any propellant 2021-07-11T20:37:12 < ventyl> which puts it into league, where efficienty is of lesser interest 2021-07-11T20:37:20 < ventyl> s/ty/cy/ 2021-07-11T20:38:25 < jpa-> in theory, any propellant-free electricity-only rocket engine would violate conservation of energy; just make a large wheel that spins fast enough so that velocity * force >= input power 2021-07-11T20:39:42 < BrainDamage> except that if you use radiation pressure that relation becomes equal, not major 2021-07-11T20:40:43 < BrainDamage> and you need to use the relativistic velocity 2021-07-11T20:40:51 < BrainDamage> using gamma as correction factor 2021-07-11T20:41:40 < BrainDamage> the problem of that device is that it claims overunity efficiency for speeds less than 100km/h 2021-07-11T20:41:50 < BrainDamage> it's well within testable 2021-07-11T20:43:38 < ventyl> that's probably why they dragged new physics in 2021-07-11T20:46:32 < englishman> speaking of 2021-07-11T20:46:44 < englishman> is there a subatomic particle physics for dummies book 2021-07-11T20:46:57 < englishman> I tried going through the wiki pages but it's too much at one time 2021-07-11T20:47:16 < englishman> with many very similar, new words 2021-07-11T20:47:24 < BrainDamage> wiki for scientific subjects is good only if you know the material and need a refresher 2021-07-11T20:48:17 < BrainDamage> I don't know any decent book, but I remember a decent video on some key concepts that many get wrong 2021-07-11T20:48:39 < BrainDamage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7bzE1E5PMY 2021-07-11T20:49:29 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [] 2021-07-11T20:49:29 < englishman> thank you 2021-07-11T20:49:38 < ventyl> i really hope we have all of this wrong 2021-07-11T20:50:58 < ventyl> englishman: one really good book, which is not explicitly about subatomic particles, but I liked, is QED from Feynmann 2021-07-11T20:57:19 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-11T21:06:44 < englishman> BrainDamage: that was a pretty good recap of 1st year physics, surprised I remembered most of that 2021-07-11T21:06:54 < englishman> thanks ventyl I'll look it up 2021-07-11T21:15:43 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T21:34:32 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T21:49:37 -!- Miyu [~hackkitte@028-053-210-188.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T21:51:50 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@246-140-100-005.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-11T21:52:26 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have a ASCII to HID Keyboard Page conversion snippet handy? 2021-07-11T21:52:39 < ColdKeyboard> Just checkin before I go ahead and start butchering my own. :) 2021-07-11T21:54:30 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T22:07:09 < Laurenceb> lol Enlgand going to lose 2021-07-11T22:07:27 < Laurenceb> the team that is in the lead stupidly early on always loses in football 2021-07-11T22:09:58 < mawk> Laurenceb soccer expert 2021-07-11T22:11:17 < BrainDamage> fwiw everyone's dead silent here 2021-07-11T22:11:35 < BrainDamage> normally during a big soccer match you hear everyone shouting 2021-07-11T22:11:46 < mawk> here too 2021-07-11T22:14:57 < R2COM> smart people dont care about soccer 2021-07-11T22:17:47 < benishor> it's football, not soccer 2021-07-11T22:18:46 < ventyl> it is soccer, historically 2021-07-11T22:27:36 -!- Miyu is now known as hackkitten 2021-07-11T22:36:28 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-11T22:37:54 < Steffanx> https://twitter.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1414251043005816842?s=19 lol Laurenceb .. why you do this? 2021-07-11T22:38:20 < Steffanx> I've seen another one, but.. 😬😬 2021-07-11T22:48:19 < Laurenceb> lol Italy pwning England at this point 2021-07-11T22:48:25 < Laurenceb> they will equalise soon surely 2021-07-11T22:48:38 < Laurenceb> also 2021-07-11T22:48:45 < Laurenceb> >caring about shitball 2021-07-11T22:49:22 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T22:49:37 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T23:17:25 < Steffanx> Watching part of it does not mean you care, Laurenceb 2021-07-11T23:17:48 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-11T23:19:08 < Steffanx> Those hooligans care way tooo much 2021-07-11T23:21:36 < R2COM> why no fucking markdown pdf exporter draw vertical lines in table by default 2021-07-11T23:22:09 < mouseghost> R2COM, its prettier that way 2021-07-11T23:29:13 < Steffanx> It's open sores. Fix it. 2021-07-11T23:35:30 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-11T23:51:56 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] --- Day changed Mon Jul 12 2021 2021-07-12T00:45:36 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T00:47:13 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-12T01:02:54 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-12T01:06:51 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T01:06:53 < Laurenceb> what did I say? 2021-07-12T01:08:30 < BrainDamage> you had 50% chance to get it right 2021-07-12T01:10:53 < BrainDamage> there's better ways to do it 2021-07-12T01:10:55 < BrainDamage> take another event with finite possibilities and make some social media post from an unknown account listing all of them, months ahead 2021-07-12T01:10:56 < BrainDamage> then after the event happened, delete them 2021-07-12T01:10:57 < BrainDamage> I mean, delete the wrong ones 2021-07-12T01:10:58 < BrainDamage> and the right one with months ahead forecast will magically remain 2021-07-12T01:11:47 < Laurenceb> kek @ them trying to outwit the goalie 2021-07-12T01:11:58 < Laurenceb> >wait now I have ot kick towards the goal?! 2021-07-12T01:16:20 < BrainDamage> ok, the people switched from fireworks to high ordnance stuff 2021-07-12T01:17:00 < BrainDamage> my windows shaked 2021-07-12T01:21:08 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T01:22:29 < Laurenceb> my dvbt tv has a delay of ~150ms 2021-07-12T01:22:33 < Laurenceb> interesting 2021-07-12T01:22:58 < Laurenceb> neighbours must be using ... something else 2021-07-12T01:23:02 < Laurenceb> but its faster somehow 2021-07-12T01:25:21 < Laurenceb> oh wait 2021-07-12T01:25:29 < Laurenceb> its clearly running embedded lunix 2021-07-12T01:26:06 < karlp> congrats BrainDamage 2021-07-12T01:32:36 < Steffanx> I'm not sure he cares 2021-07-12T01:33:33 < karlp> well, maybe a little :) 2021-07-12T01:33:54 < karlp> kinda funny that the interview area is in the rain... 2021-07-12T01:34:38 < BrainDamage> at least with world cup we get the roads in a giant party 2021-07-12T01:34:48 < BrainDamage> this feels a bit halfassed 2021-07-12T01:35:50 < karlp> I mean, it sonly euro cup... 2021-07-12T01:36:04 < karlp> maybe italy forgot it existed, haven't won it sinec 68? 2021-07-12T01:36:21 < BrainDamage> oh no, they are partying 2021-07-12T01:36:31 < BrainDamage> just not as hard as when we won world cup 2021-07-12T01:37:53 < BrainDamage> during that one I somehow ended up fucking in a street, and i've been told there was a literal orgy in a square not so far away ... 2021-07-12T01:38:09 < BrainDamage> but the details were a bit fuzzy 2021-07-12T01:38:23 < BrainDamage> didn't care for the win,but the parties were awesome 2021-07-12T01:38:51 < karlp> lol 2021-07-12T01:40:36 < BrainDamage> I was in univ too, so kind of perfect time to enjoy it 2021-07-12T01:45:03 < BrainDamage> i guess covid is to blame too 2021-07-12T01:56:57 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-12T03:02:04 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T03:02:36 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-12T03:22:08 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-12T03:24:02 < mawk> I burnt my fingers with sodium hydroxide 2021-07-12T03:25:47 < mawk> they turned yellow 2021-07-12T03:25:53 < mawk> it's a nice color 2021-07-12T03:25:56 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-12T04:05:02 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-12T04:19:56 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T05:28:10 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-12T05:35:12 < R2COM1> so i bought some app which shows as 2021-07-12T05:35:21 < R2COM1> $9.99 in app store on apple 2021-07-12T05:35:46 < R2COM1> and it charges $17.46, and app is like shit and not as good... and you cant even refund on appstore on apple 2021-07-12T05:38:08 < R2COM1> err wait no... 2021-07-12T05:38:21 < R2COM1> its other shit, but, yeah if you bought some app and its shit you cant refund 2021-07-12T05:38:47 < R2COM1> I don't think its fair there should be something like 1hr window for refunds 2021-07-12T05:38:56 < R2COM1> Steam provides that for example for its games 2021-07-12T05:39:16 -!- R2COM1 is now known as R2COM 2021-07-12T05:40:50 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T06:00:03 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T06:02:28 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-12T06:02:28 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-12T06:14:49 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T07:01:48 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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2021-07-12T08:55:31 -!- ahmster [~hamster@reverse-80.fdn.fr] has left ##stm32 [] 2021-07-12T09:11:35 < R2COM> yeah it works for some subscription purchases, but not for one-time purchases 2021-07-12T09:11:49 < R2COM> um its 23:11 maybe time to go to bed 2021-07-12T09:13:23 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T09:14:08 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T09:16:05 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-12T09:27:09 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-12T09:28:07 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T09:49:32 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T10:19:44 < mawk> with android you can refund 2021-07-12T10:19:51 < mawk> you should've get an android 2021-07-12T10:30:09 -!- emeryth [emeryth@boston-packets.hackerspace.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 2021-07-12T10:30:19 -!- emeryth [emeryth@boston-packets.hackerspace.pl] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T10:34:12 -!- zyp_ is now known as zyp 2021-07-12T11:07:47 -!- Steffann [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T11:07:51 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-12T11:41:09 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T12:15:45 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-12T12:17:47 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T12:22:01 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-12T12:24:00 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-12T12:26:05 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T12:33:34 -!- aquijoule__ [~richbridg@213-225-7-126.nat.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-12T12:37:47 -!- richbridger [~richbridg@mobiledyn-185-69-244-156.mrsn.at] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T12:45:12 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T12:46:03 -!- dima_ is now known as dima 2021-07-12T13:22:53 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T13:42:34 -!- aquijoule_ [~richbridg@089144202018.atnat0011.highway.a1.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T13:43:32 -!- richbridger [~richbridg@mobiledyn-185-69-244-156.mrsn.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-12T13:47:10 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-43-177.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-12T14:02:33 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T14:22:48 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-12T14:34:57 < mawk> I ordered a blood test kit to know my blood group 2021-07-12T14:35:02 < mawk> I wonder if it's reliable 2021-07-12T14:35:07 < mawk> so I ordered 2 to see if they give the same result or not 2021-07-12T14:41:22 < tct> is the football thing over now>? 2021-07-12T14:42:07 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-12T14:42:48 < specing> mawk: your doctor doesen't know? 2021-07-12T14:42:57 < mawk> yes tct 2021-07-12T14:43:00 < mawk> no specing 2021-07-12T14:43:03 < mawk> I don't have "my" doctor 2021-07-12T14:43:14 < mawk> it's semi-obligatory in France, but I never did it 2021-07-12T14:43:23 < mawk> like they make it more difficult for you to get the free healthcare without a designated doctor 2021-07-12T14:43:33 < mawk> but in paris it's only like big doctor mills and not real family doctors so I never took o,e 2021-07-12T14:43:35 < mawk> one* 2021-07-12T14:44:02 < mawk> and I'm not in paris anymore 2021-07-12T14:44:09 < mawk> I have a treating doctor in netherlands but he never saw me 2021-07-12T14:44:17 < Steffann> Swisserland did well too, tct. Congrats 2021-07-12T14:44:30 < mawk> no 2021-07-12T14:44:32 < mawk> not congrats 2021-07-12T14:44:53 < tct> Steffann, I have no idea what that means 2021-07-12T14:44:59 < mawk> in football 2021-07-12T14:45:06 < mawk> they beat frankreich 2021-07-12T14:45:25 < tct> I have zero frame of reference to know whether that is a hard thing to accomplish 2021-07-12T14:45:31 < mawk> yes it's hard 2021-07-12T14:46:07 < tct> alright 2021-07-12T14:46:15 < tct> so does the winner get like money or...? 2021-07-12T14:46:19 < tct> how does it work? 2021-07-12T14:46:31 < tct> or is it just one giant dick size comparison and nobody really wins 2021-07-12T14:48:11 < mawk> the winner gets fame 2021-07-12T14:48:20 < mawk> and if you win the world cup you get a star on your football jacket 2021-07-12T14:48:52 < tct> ok, so it's literally pointless 2021-07-12T14:49:23 < tct> what are those "it's coming home" memes that I see all over the place? are those related? 2021-07-12T14:49:36 < mawk> yes 2021-07-12T14:49:39 < mawk> england thought they would win 2021-07-12T14:49:47 < mawk> so some of them even did tattoos with the cup "it's coming home" 2021-07-12T14:49:49 < mawk> but they lost 2021-07-12T14:49:59 < mawk> also england fans have been horrible to other fans apparently 2021-07-12T14:50:10 < mawk> like harrassing little girls or something 2021-07-12T14:50:10 < tct> so what would be coming home? the star on the jacket? 2021-07-12T14:50:14 < tct> lol wut 2021-07-12T14:50:16 < mawk> the cup 2021-07-12T14:50:18 < tct> laurencb detected 2021-07-12T14:50:18 < mawk> no the star is for world cup 2021-07-12T14:50:23 < mawk> this was the euro 2021-07-12T14:50:32 < tct> ah 2021-07-12T14:50:41 < tct> but wait - didn't leave england the euro? 2021-07-12T14:50:54 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-12T14:50:58 < mawk> but they're still in europe 2021-07-12T14:51:01 < mawk> so they play the euro competition 2021-07-12T14:51:08 < mawk> we also have israël in the eurovision song contest 2021-07-12T14:51:11 < mawk> so why not england in the euro 2021-07-12T14:51:16 < tct> ah, I see 2021-07-12T14:51:34 < tct> but again - you literally get nothing out of this? 2021-07-12T14:51:38 < Steffann> Fame. 2021-07-12T14:51:40 < tct> it's just pointless wasting of money? 2021-07-12T14:51:43 < Steffann> And probably some munny 2021-07-12T14:51:52 < mawk> it brings people together to drink and beat their wives 2021-07-12T14:51:53 < tct> more than you put in? 2021-07-12T14:51:58 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-12T14:51:59 < mawk> with sponsoring 2021-07-12T14:52:04 < mawk> it brings money to the organizers 2021-07-12T14:52:05 < mawk> and the players 2021-07-12T14:52:16 < tct> > beating wifes 2021-07-12T14:53:02 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T14:53:04 < Laurenceb> lollll 2021-07-12T14:53:09 < mawk> here's the wolf 2021-07-12T14:53:11 < mawk> when you mention him 2021-07-12T14:53:15 < Laurenceb> hyperwan guys charge extra for private dns 2021-07-12T14:53:18 < Laurenceb> epin fail 2021-07-12T14:53:28 < Steffann> Mawk = Laurenceb confirmed. 2021-07-12T14:53:33 < mawk> :( 2021-07-12T14:53:48 < Steffann> Congratulations on the loss Laurenceb 2021-07-12T14:53:51 < Laurenceb> lol 2021-07-12T14:53:59 < Laurenceb> who cares about sportsball 2021-07-12T14:54:07 < Steffann> You. You watched it 2021-07-12T14:54:40 < tct> how does it work - does the queen also watch it? 2021-07-12T14:54:43 < tct> or boris? 2021-07-12T14:54:45 < tct> did boris watch it? 2021-07-12T14:54:53 < tct> did boris watch it with the queen? 2021-07-12T14:55:00 < tct> did they penis exchange? 2021-07-12T14:58:26 < Laurenceb> lulwut 2021-07-12T15:00:37 < Steffann> The did something else tct 2021-07-12T15:00:47 < Steffann> Let me find you the dumpert.nl link 2021-07-12T15:01:49 < Steffann> Soon. Meeting time 2021-07-12T15:11:29 < mawk> BrainDamage: https://www.chemie.tu-darmstadt.de/media/ak_fessner/damocles_pdf/2014_1/Methadon.pdf 2021-07-12T15:11:32 < mawk> the synthesis is page 3 2021-07-12T15:11:38 < mawk> there aren't many steps 2021-07-12T15:11:44 < mawk> maybe when I'm rich I'll try 2021-07-12T15:13:22 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-12T15:14:10 < mawk> if I don't end up like the "frozen addicts" 2021-07-12T15:14:45 < mawk> https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/395849 2021-07-12T15:15:33 < BrainDamage> tct: there's a craplo of money involved about transmission rights and advertising slots adjacent to the show 2021-07-12T15:16:09 < mawk> I wonder what the cops would say 2021-07-12T15:16:21 < mawk> "uh yeah so I'm a big fan of DIY so I decided to make my own treatment, that's not illegal right?" 2021-07-12T15:31:39 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-12T15:39:16 < Steffann> Tct are you ready? 2021-07-12T15:39:56 < Steffann> https://www.dumpert.nl/item/100004252_ef7c1ea2 crazy britbong soccerball fan NSFW ish 2021-07-12T15:40:44 < tct> Steffann, are these dutch people? 2021-07-12T15:40:52 < Mangy_Dog> nsfw ... ish? 2021-07-12T15:40:58 < Mangy_Dog> id say this is pretty very NSFW 2021-07-12T15:41:09 < Mangy_Dog> tct sadly no 2021-07-12T15:41:10 < tct> not at my work 2021-07-12T15:41:22 < Mangy_Dog> this are thick as shit brits 2021-07-12T15:41:27 < Mangy_Dog> im very sorry 2021-07-12T15:42:06 < mawk> is it the fireworks butt thing Steffann ? 2021-07-12T15:42:23 < tct> mawk, yes 2021-07-12T15:42:26 < tct> with balls 2021-07-12T15:42:28 < tct> no penis tho 2021-07-12T15:42:34 < tct> so you might not be interested 2021-07-12T15:44:31 < mawk> :( 2021-07-12T15:44:43 < tct> :'D 2021-07-12T15:44:54 < tct> I'm starting to like you 2021-07-12T15:46:22 < mawk> of course 2021-07-12T15:46:24 < mawk> everyone does 2021-07-12T15:46:33 < mawk> even karlp 2021-07-12T15:47:42 < tct> I'm impressed 2021-07-12T15:50:52 < mawk> also it's reciprocal, I like everyone 2021-07-12T15:54:49 < tct> I don't like cats 2021-07-12T15:55:13 < tct> their behavior is indistinguishable from English football fans 2021-07-12T15:56:46 < mawk> lol 2021-07-12T15:56:51 < mawk> I like cats 2021-07-12T16:09:27 < tct> that's okay. I respect that. 2021-07-12T16:12:30 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T16:14:29 < mawk> my cat weighs 5.5kg 2021-07-12T16:19:24 < tct> does blaxter have a cat? 2021-07-12T16:24:22 < englishman> blaxter also hates cats 2021-07-12T16:24:41 < BrainDamage> he hates many things 2021-07-12T16:24:59 < BrainDamage> not as many as r2commie or cracki tho 2021-07-12T16:28:21 < englishman> lil'dongs got scared of a chair yesterday 2021-07-12T16:29:01 < englishman> also, when forced to choose between grass or delicious wet food from a can, he chooses grass 2021-07-12T17:07:06 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-12T17:07:41 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T17:07:46 -!- fenugrec [~f@97.107.220.18] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T17:10:43 < tct> did r2com not migrate to libera yet? 2021-07-12T17:13:15 < Steffann> He did 2021-07-12T17:15:41 < sauce> yes we all got to enjoy his rants a couple days ago 2021-07-12T17:16:00 < tct> what happened? 2021-07-12T17:16:08 < sauce> oh just the usual 2021-07-12T17:16:43 < mawk> he's a nice guy 2021-07-12T17:16:45 < mawk> just a bit racist 2021-07-12T17:16:59 < mawk> and a bit too strong opinions on "communism" and "open sores" 2021-07-12T17:17:05 < mawk> although I got him to install debian 2021-07-12T17:18:17 < tct> I got him to switch to FreeBSD :p 2021-07-12T17:18:22 < tct> #achievement 2021-07-12T17:18:22 < xnand> Commands: cache decide nar 2021-07-12T17:18:55 < mawk> tct :( 2021-07-12T17:19:09 < mawk> did you name your cat dongs englishman ? 2021-07-12T17:20:07 < tct> is there any channel on libera that relates to web development, but the actual HTTP stuff and everything, not simple javascript fuckery? I have an HTTP server which returns a cookie. I see it showing up in the browser but it doesn't show up when navigating to other pages on the same domain. Path is not present. 2021-07-12T17:20:37 < mawk> yes ##stm32 is suitable for this 2021-07-12T17:20:38 < englishman> mawk: lil'dongs 2021-07-12T17:20:39 < mawk> just ask me 2021-07-12T17:20:46 < tct> alright, please help then :p 2021-07-12T17:20:46 < mawk> what if he becomes huge englishman 2021-07-12T17:20:50 < englishman> he is 2021-07-12T17:20:53 < mawk> lol 2021-07-12T17:20:55 < mawk> how much does he weigh? 2021-07-12T17:21:02 < mawk> my cat was 7kg but I got her down to 5.5kg 2021-07-12T17:21:05 < mawk> she still looks big 2021-07-12T17:21:16 < englishman> 5.5kg but it's the flouf that takes up space 2021-07-12T17:21:25 < mawk> show the set-cookie line you're using tct 2021-07-12T17:22:12 < mawk> lol englishman 2021-07-12T17:22:51 < mawk> also how do you look if it's sent or not on other pages tct ? 2021-07-12T17:23:09 < tct> mawk, just sec on cookie line 2021-07-12T17:23:13 < mawk> also path is required tct I think 2021-07-12T17:23:23 < mawk> just put path=/ to catch everything 2021-07-12T17:23:23 < tct> mawk, I use the developer tools in the browser. I see the cookie shortly flashing up in there, then it loads the next page and it's gone 2021-07-12T17:23:32 < tct> mawk, I tried path=/ before, same result 2021-07-12T17:23:39 < mawk> is it http website? 2021-07-12T17:23:55 < tct> mawk, yes. this is a login page with a username+password form. On submit the server returns a session cookie. 2021-07-12T17:23:57 < mawk> modern browser won't send cookies if not https I think 2021-07-12T17:24:04 < tct> they do on localhost 2021-07-12T17:24:06 < tct> I checked that :p 2021-07-12T17:24:35 < mawk> yeah on localhost 2021-07-12T17:24:42 < mawk> do you have samesite=lax ? 2021-07-12T17:25:03 < mawk> do put "secure" anyway 2021-07-12T17:25:08 < mawk> it will work with localhost 2021-07-12T17:25:15 < tct> sessionId=hmsfxpvmwolmyeexfexdgccucfzfvmez; Secure; HttpOnly; SameSite=Strict; Domain=127.0.0.1 2021-07-12T17:25:34 < tct> Secure also works on localhost on plain text connections according to MDN 2021-07-12T17:25:39 < mawk> do you use javascript fuckery to load the cookie? 2021-07-12T17:25:59 < tct> no 2021-07-12T17:26:02 < mawk> what's wrong with samesite=lax ? 2021-07-12T17:26:06 < tct> C++ on server end, just regular chrome on client side 2021-07-12T17:27:20 < mawk> mdn says it works for localhost in firefox tct but you say you're using chrome 2021-07-12T17:27:46 < tct> true 2021-07-12T17:28:06 < mawk> but I don't think you can remove secure anymore 2021-07-12T17:28:22 < mawk> it would surprize me if chrome localhost couldn't set cookies though 2021-07-12T17:28:24 < mawk> let me check 2021-07-12T17:29:00 < mawk> yeah it works with chrome too 2021-07-12T17:29:03 < mawk> try samesite=lax 2021-07-12T17:30:38 < fenugrec> xlax 2021-07-12T17:32:36 -!- aquijoule_ [~richbridg@089144202018.atnat0011.highway.a1.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-12T17:33:07 < tct> mawk, will try later, have to disappear into something quickly - thanks for the help so far! 2021-07-12T17:34:57 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-12T17:48:50 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T17:49:32 < spacebyte> Hi all. Not sure if the best to place ask but: On a u-blox gps device I'm seeing a 1s difference between the time reported by NMEA ZDA and UBX NAV-TIMEUTC message 2021-07-12T17:49:39 < spacebyte> is this a misconfiguration? 2021-07-12T17:56:27 < PaulFertser> spacebyte: does the device have a 3D fix? 2021-07-12T18:00:50 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T18:02:34 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-12T18:02:34 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-12T18:11:41 < spacebyte> yes. I have around 9 satelites 2021-07-12T18:11:49 < spacebyte> hdop and accuracy and not the best though 2021-07-12T18:11:54 < spacebyte> are not* 2021-07-12T18:12:39 < PaulFertser> spacebyte: I would probably try running "gpsd" on a regular computer in both NMEA and TIMEUTC modes to see if gpsd sees the time difference too. 2021-07-12T18:12:55 < PaulFertser> s/TIMEUTC/UBX/ 2021-07-12T18:13:22 < PaulFertser> As gpsd is tested a lot as a time source with UBX devices. 2021-07-12T18:16:44 < spacebyte> where can I check gpsd's output? 2021-07-12T18:17:02 < spacebyte> I'm running "gpsd /dev/blabla" 2021-07-12T18:17:49 < BrainDamage> gpsmon 2021-07-12T18:17:54 < BrainDamage> as sep program 2021-07-12T18:21:48 < spacebyte> I see nothing on gpsmon. 2021-07-12T18:22:02 < spacebyte> Hm but after starting gpsd I can't find its PID so not sure it is really running 2021-07-12T18:22:32 < PaulFertser> spacebyte: start it in debug mode then 2021-07-12T18:22:35 < BrainDamage> use -N so it doesn't fork into background 2021-07-12T18:22:36 < PaulFertser> In fg 2021-07-12T18:23:10 < spacebyte> -N did it 2021-07-12T18:23:29 < spacebyte> hm it's trying to use a tcp port instead. Let me check the arguments again 2021-07-12T18:29:11 < spacebyte> hm can't get it working 2021-07-12T18:29:15 < spacebyte> gpsd /dev/ttyACM0 -N 2021-07-12T18:29:31 < spacebyte> gpsd:ERROR: can't bind to IPv4 port gpsd, Address already in use 2021-07-12T18:29:31 < spacebyte> gpsd:ERROR: maybe gpsd is already running! 2021-07-12T18:29:31 < spacebyte> gpsd:ERROR: can't bind to IPv6 port gpsd, Address already in use 2021-07-12T18:29:31 < spacebyte> gpsd:ERROR: maybe gpsd is already running! 2021-07-12T18:29:31 < spacebyte> gpsd:ERROR: command sockets creation failed, netlib errors -1, - 2021-07-12T18:29:42 < spacebyte> I check and there's no gpsd running prior to the command 2021-07-12T18:29:56 < spacebyte> checked* 2021-07-12T18:30:35 < BrainDamage> change port then 2021-07-12T18:30:36 < PaulFertser> spacebyte: probably you have socket activation by systemd? 2021-07-12T18:30:59 < PaulFertser> spacebyte: systemctl disable gpsd.socket 2021-07-12T18:31:51 < BrainDamage> you might have to mask it instead 2021-07-12T18:33:11 < spacebyte> that was it, thanks 2021-07-12T18:34:26 < spacebyte> when trying s/TIMEUTC/UBX/ I get a "only allowd in low level mode" 2021-07-12T18:34:35 < spacebyte> sorry guys, really newb in gps stuff 2021-07-12T18:40:42 < PaulFertser> spacebyte: if you just start gpsd it's likely autodetecting the device is capable and switches to UBX. 2021-07-12T18:41:18 < spacebyte> Yes I see both nmea and ubx on gpsmon. Still the fields Time and Time GPS are empty 2021-07-12T18:41:45 < spacebyte> hm probably not sending the right messages to usb, let me check u-center 2021-07-12T18:52:53 < tct> mawk, ping 2021-07-12T18:52:58 < mawk> yes 2021-07-12T18:53:24 < mawk> I'm always here tct 2021-07-12T18:55:55 < tct> how are you? 2021-07-12T18:56:20 < mawk> feeling like shit 2021-07-12T18:56:23 < mawk> like every day 2021-07-12T18:56:33 < mawk> since a month or so 2021-07-12T18:56:40 < mawk> when my cunt doctor decreased my candy dosage 2021-07-12T18:56:41 < mawk> and you? 2021-07-12T18:57:58 < tct> similar, probably different reasons tho 2021-07-12T18:58:00 < tct> thanks for asking. 2021-07-12T18:58:05 < tct> I hope that you will feel better soon 2021-07-12T18:59:07 < mawk> maybe in a few more months 2021-07-12T18:59:22 < mawk> is it because of the gf? 2021-07-12T18:59:44 < mawk> I learnt that "spontaneous orgasm" is one effect of candy withdrawal 2021-07-12T18:59:47 < mawk> that sounds like fun 2021-07-12T18:59:59 < tct> what do you mean by candy? 2021-07-12T19:00:11 < mawk> pain killers 2021-07-12T19:10:44 < Steffann> Lolwut? 2021-07-12T19:11:40 < Steffann> What else are you on mawk? 2021-07-12T19:11:50 < mawk> nothing 2021-07-12T19:11:55 < mawk> just the methadone 2021-07-12T19:12:00 < BrainDamage> https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.364133423.5746/flat,800x800,070,f.u6.jpg 2021-07-12T19:12:04 < mawk> which is a pain killer 2021-07-12T19:12:20 < mawk> lol BrainDamage 2021-07-12T19:12:41 < mawk> I snorted vicodin before but it's not that good and it hurts 2021-07-12T19:13:38 < Steffann> I only know vicodin because House MD 2021-07-12T19:14:51 < Steffann> Wasn't the doctor supposed to lower the dose mr mawk? 2021-07-12T19:15:03 < mawk> yes Steffann 2021-07-12T19:15:06 < mawk> but I don't want 2021-07-12T19:15:34 < BrainDamage> the doctor's not the one feeling shit because of withdrawal 2021-07-12T19:15:44 < Steffann> They should lower the dose without telling you 2021-07-12T19:15:45 < BrainDamage> at the same time mawk is not the one paying for it 2021-07-12T19:15:54 < BrainDamage> so 🤷 2021-07-12T19:16:02 < mawk> yes I pay for it 2021-07-12T19:16:08 < Steffann> Me too 2021-07-12T19:16:18 < mawk> I pay insurance, and then I pay the eigen risico shit on the med so I end up double paying 2021-07-12T19:16:29 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2021-07-12T19:17:01 < Steffanx> Heh, you're probably over the own risk limit already 2021-07-12T19:17:06 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-12T19:20:59 < mawk> no I computed it Steffanx 2021-07-12T19:21:03 < mawk> I'm like 10€ below 2021-07-12T19:21:05 < mawk> worthless insurance 2021-07-12T19:21:39 < Steffanx> You should be able to see it on some online portal of your insurance company 2021-07-12T19:21:56 < Steffanx> Isnt it 385. Then methadone is cheaper than I expected 2021-07-12T19:22:23 < mawk> methadone is 360€/year 2021-07-12T19:22:35 < mawk> it was 1440€/year in france 2021-07-12T19:22:47 < mawk> 66% paid by the state, 34% paid by my private insurance 2021-07-12T19:23:07 < mawk> the state makes the methadone in France 2021-07-12T19:23:13 < mawk> maybe that's why it's more expensive 2021-07-12T19:25:21 < tct> fucking github actions CI shittery - out of memory all the time. 2021-07-12T19:28:26 < BrainDamage> it's a pipeline to continously emit an infinitely long turd 2021-07-12T19:30:24 < Steffanx> I always thought mr tct was into bitbucket. 2021-07-12T19:30:31 < Steffanx> What happened 2021-07-12T19:30:38 < Steffanx> Microsoft? 2021-07-12T19:31:23 < tct> public project 2021-07-12T19:31:30 < tct> I haven't used bitbucket in years 2021-07-12T19:31:39 < tct> either github for public stuff or self hosted 2021-07-12T19:37:28 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::2930] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-07-12T19:56:44 < Steffanx> Alright 2021-07-12T20:15:57 < englishman> interesting insight into the cost of addiction 2021-07-12T20:17:43 < englishman> apparently vancouver consumes a quarter million naloxone kits every year 2021-07-12T20:18:16 < englishman> so 12 million dollars a year to keep junkies alive 2021-07-12T20:19:20 < englishman> 250k doses per year seems high for a city of 4 million. maybe that is the number of kits sold not necessarily used 2021-07-12T20:21:58 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@mm-202-18-127-178.mogilev.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Spirit5325!~Spirit532@37.45.203.199))] 2021-07-12T20:22:03 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@37.45.203.199] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T20:45:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-12T21:02:36 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::9eec] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T21:02:41 < machinehum> Hello 2021-07-12T21:09:46 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/ReSaFah.jpg 2021-07-12T21:10:33 < machinehum> Nice, you make it? 2021-07-12T21:10:45 < BrainDamage> nope 2021-07-12T21:14:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T21:14:52 < englishman> love it 2021-07-12T21:26:18 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-12T21:27:02 < Steffanx> heh 2021-07-12T21:32:49 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T22:14:02 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T22:21:09 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-12T22:27:40 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T22:53:08 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::9eec] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-12T22:54:56 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::9eec] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T22:55:28 < ventyl> another chinesium broken in a completely unexpected way 2021-07-12T22:59:34 < Steffanx> uuh what mr ventyl? 2021-07-12T23:04:03 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T23:06:23 < ventyl> well, floor wipe 2021-07-12T23:06:33 < ventyl> that kind, which has built in squeezer 2021-07-12T23:07:06 < ventyl> first, sponge fell off frame which is supposed to hold it, then subframe holding squeezer assembly broke 2021-07-12T23:07:10 < ventyl> at fifth use 2021-07-12T23:11:26 < kakium69> hello nightium 2021-07-12T23:29:57 < Steffanx> lol ventyl, did it hurt in your wallet? 2021-07-12T23:30:07 < Steffanx> and welcome kakium69, early nighter. 2021-07-12T23:30:23 < kakium69> hello steff69 2021-07-12T23:30:54 < kakium69> not mopeding tonight 2021-07-12T23:31:07 < kakium69> kinda getting bored 2021-07-12T23:31:51 < kakium69> how is .nl? 2021-07-12T23:32:10 < kakium69> +50C apocalyptic hellscape? 2021-07-12T23:33:20 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T23:33:20 < Laurenceb> arggg wtf socketcan 2021-07-12T23:33:31 < Laurenceb> >setting 0 socketcan filters turns off the socketcan 2021-07-12T23:33:33 < Laurenceb> wtd lunix 2021-07-12T23:36:42 < Laurenceb> I'm going to have to create a new filter called "not_a_filter" with mask of 0x00 2021-07-12T23:36:45 < Laurenceb> the state of this 2021-07-12T23:37:24 < Laurenceb> fail level: Rashford 2021-07-12T23:47:33 < Steffanx> More like 22C, kakium69 . 25 inside 2021-07-12T23:54:30 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::9eec] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-12T23:57:06 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-12T23:57:28 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-12T23:58:32 < kakium69> https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic --- Day changed Tue Jul 13 2021 2021-07-13T00:02:00 < kakium69> the heck it's cold in spain, france and uk 2021-07-13T00:06:34 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::9eec] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T00:07:04 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2021-07-13T00:08:01 < kakium69> englishman seems to have 29C 2021-07-13T00:08:26 < kakium69> same as day temperature here today 2021-07-13T00:12:47 < englishman> yes v nice 2021-07-13T00:12:51 < englishman> moto weather 2021-07-13T00:13:08 < englishman> not too windy either, or humid 2021-07-13T00:13:14 < kakium69> same 2021-07-13T00:13:28 < kakium69> very dry and all 2021-07-13T00:14:58 < kakium69> you bought moto? 2021-07-13T00:15:39 < kakium69> or repaired something that was covered in dust in hay barn? 2021-07-13T00:17:23 < Steffanx> What is not too humid in kakiterms? 2021-07-13T00:21:42 < kakium69> clear skies 2021-07-13T00:23:19 < kakium69> when it's +30c and sky is clear it's absolutelly dry 2021-07-13T00:25:19 < kakium69> couple of cumulus clouds in late afternoon and thats all 2021-07-13T00:25:30 < mawk> dicks 2021-07-13T00:28:18 < PaulFertser> kakium69: 30 here and I'd say fucking too hot for riding 2021-07-13T00:29:33 < kakium69> it's the perfect weather for riding wearing just boxers 2021-07-13T00:29:46 < kakium69> and helmet that is legally required 2021-07-13T00:30:17 < kakium69> not that I have done that I would not dare 2021-07-13T00:30:57 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T00:31:22 < PaulFertser> I ride in my full gear :/ 2021-07-13T00:36:15 < mawk> yeah I prefer to keep on some clothes during sex as well 2021-07-13T00:38:32 < kakium69> full gear is too hot in any weather above +10c 2021-07-13T00:38:38 < englishman> kakium69: i have the same moto that i've had for 18 years 2021-07-13T00:38:51 < kakium69> suzuki dr? 2021-07-13T00:39:05 < englishman> others have come and gone but i kept this one, probably because it's not worth it to sell 2021-07-13T00:39:10 < englishman> 1977 suzuki gs400 2021-07-13T00:39:47 < kakium69> have you cafe'ed it? 2021-07-13T00:39:53 < englishman> no it is completely original 2021-07-13T00:40:12 < englishman> i had to submit photos to the licensing agency to prove it was original enough to get antique plates 2021-07-13T00:40:38 < kakium69> :o 2021-07-13T00:41:01 < kakium69> do you get tax benefit with antique plates in canadistan? 2021-07-13T00:41:10 < englishman> it just costs less 2021-07-13T00:41:21 < kakium69> km limit? 2021-07-13T00:41:29 < englishman> depends on the province 2021-07-13T00:41:51 < englishman> you are less likely to become a meat crayon on an antique moto so insurance is cheaper 2021-07-13T00:42:24 < kakium69> mmmm.. meat 2021-07-13T00:46:06 < Steffanx> 25.6C, 73.9% ... I love it 2021-07-13T00:46:30 < kakium69> 74% still in ok range 2021-07-13T00:46:37 < Steffanx> Fuck no 2021-07-13T00:46:54 < kakium69> ;) 2021-07-13T00:47:14 < kakium69> maybe 50% is the limit? 2021-07-13T00:47:26 < Steffanx> Pretty much 2021-07-13T00:48:37 < Steffanx> Did you ever fall with your bike, mr kakium69 ? 2021-07-13T00:48:45 < kakium69> apparently during nights that are getting now gradually chiller humidity goes to 99 2021-07-13T00:49:09 < kakium69> there is still no clear signs of such moisture outside 2021-07-13T00:49:15 < kakium69> moite 2021-07-13T00:49:41 < kakium69> Steffanx: I leave it for others 2021-07-13T00:49:57 < kakium69> I only fall on other people's bikes 2021-07-13T00:50:35 < kakium69> prefferably in 10seconds after they let me test the bike 2021-07-13T00:50:43 < kakium69> true story 2021-07-13T00:52:07 < kakium69> in thin jeans and t-shirt yes 2021-07-13T00:54:11 < kakium69> he took the bike and I went bleed all around my car 2021-07-13T00:54:48 < kakium69> next time I saw him I gave him money for what repairs had cost him 2021-07-13T00:54:49 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-13T00:58:00 < kakium69> I didn't expect the acceleration so the corner was actually just couple of seconds away and I went in with full throttle to realize I was running out of road 2021-07-13T01:05:19 < kakium69> that is stuff what happens when somebody who wants to try your bike says "I can totally handle it" 2021-07-13T01:07:09 < kakium69> it mean they have no idea 2021-07-13T01:18:17 < machinehum> I asked here before but I'm going to ask again 2021-07-13T01:18:30 < machinehum> Does anyone know what these connectors are called on the PCB 2021-07-13T01:18:33 < machinehum> https://preview.redd.it/9xljz7abhd471.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=e064e6ee179f69745425b5be46ad9b260434633a 2021-07-13T01:18:52 < machinehum> I want to design something similar, but have no clue where to start 2021-07-13T01:19:04 < aandrew> didn't you already post that to reddit and get a bunch of responses? 2021-07-13T01:19:16 < machinehum> Yeah nobody provided an answer 2021-07-13T01:19:27 < machinehum> They just talked about how sketchy it was 2021-07-13T01:19:58 < aandrew> I remember a few answers 2021-07-13T01:20:01 < aandrew> can't find the damn post now 2021-07-13T01:20:02 < machinehum> https://old.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/nwfqet/what_are_these_guys_called_the_th_metal_guys_that/ 2021-07-13T01:20:22 < machinehum> "Terminals" 2021-07-13T01:20:27 < machinehum> MY MAN 2021-07-13T01:20:44 < aandrew> yeah that's not helpful 2021-07-13T01:20:46 < machinehum> And then one reference to a Sweedish band 2021-07-13T01:21:20 < machinehum> I mean the answer is it's a custom chinese part that came out of a mould, but TE or someone has to build something similar 2021-07-13T01:22:21 < kakium69> it came out of press 2021-07-13T01:22:40 < machinehum> Yeah makes sense 2021-07-13T01:23:14 < machinehum> I woudn't be apposed to "Direct connection from the mains blade to the PCB." option, but where do I buy those connectors? 2021-07-13T01:23:15 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001519536848.html or https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002067204875.html is getting close, but not there yet 2021-07-13T01:23:43 < aandrew> I love spade terminals for this kind of thing personally. "faston" is the magic keyword for that, but they're not what you're showing in that pic 2021-07-13T01:24:44 < machinehum> Wire from the board crimped to the faston, faston plugged into the mains blade? 2021-07-13T01:25:17 < aandrew> no, the other way. the mains plug has wire soldered to it internally, wire crimped to female spade/faston, faston on PCB 2021-07-13T01:26:01 < machinehum> https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/keystone-electronics/1287/124268?utm_adgroup=Terminals%20-%20Quick%20Connects%2C%20Quick%20Disconnect%20Connectors&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping_Product_Connectors%2C%20Interconnects&utm_term=&productid=124268&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0K-HBhDDARIsAFJ6UGgow7IEpNJFlxIKXfBLgw0czzG-DFkqaFOWZ0b8YTL76T8UJF9qoRAaAoSxEALw_wcB 2021-07-13T01:26:07 < machinehum> Plugs into that guy? 2021-07-13T01:26:10 < machinehum> I like that 2021-07-13T01:26:16 < aandrew> yes 2021-07-13T01:26:20 < aandrew> I love those 2021-07-13T01:26:35 < machinehum> Yeah sure I mean that seems way less janky 2021-07-13T01:26:43 < aandrew> you can get the insulated female part, any monkey can crimp them and they can take a LOT of abuse 2021-07-13T01:26:55 < aandrew> I have those in literally thousands of commercial dishwashers 2021-07-13T01:27:13 < machinehum> swag 2021-07-13T01:28:01 < machinehum> The only problem is those mains blade contacts are insert moulded over, so you would have to do some soldering after near plastic 2021-07-13T01:28:10 < machinehum> Not a huge deal, but another step 2021-07-13T01:28:20 < aandrew> they're cheap as hell too. I really like the minifit-jr and microfit-iii from molex if you need more pins and idiot-proofness 2021-07-13T01:28:42 < aandrew> yeah, and finding a decent mains plug is actually quite difficult IME 2021-07-13T01:29:12 < aandrew> ooh 2021-07-13T01:29:30 < aandrew> aliexpress was a bust, but "metal contact mains" gave me some immediately better results 2021-07-13T01:29:39 < aandrew> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Metal-Contacts-Precision-Socket-Copper-Parts_1600240834400.html 2021-07-13T01:29:42 < machinehum> I wonder if this... tinyurl.com/88fvbt8z w/ the female connector somehow build into the mains blade 2021-07-13T01:29:43 < aandrew> not exactly what you want but getting warmer 2021-07-13T01:30:15 < aandrew> yeah I hear ya -- they ahve the US style plug on one end and internally just have that at the right thickness/size/shape 2021-07-13T01:30:38 < aandrew> then you can get some kid to crimp 2" wires with shielded female ends on each end and you're off to the races 2021-07-13T01:30:41 < aandrew> what're you building anyway? 2021-07-13T01:31:42 < aandrew> "american metal contact stamping" on alibaba seems to get you in the right direction too 2021-07-13T01:31:53 < aandrew> best is to find a half dozen and open conversations and they'll build it exactly to your spec 2021-07-13T01:32:05 < machinehum> https://machinehum.medium.com/im-putting-a-wifi-router-into-a-wall-charger-part-0-2c1e1a80ccde 2021-07-13T01:32:51 < aandrew> isn't this something that exists from tplink and dlink and a half dozen other sources already, or is this more as a personal project? 2021-07-13T01:33:12 < aandrew> ahh 2021-07-13T01:33:17 < aandrew> you want to make it a trojan horse 2021-07-13T01:33:18 < aandrew> gotcha 2021-07-13T01:33:26 < machinehum> Security yeah 2021-07-13T01:33:31 < machinehum> Can't look like a router 2021-07-13T01:33:57 < aandrew> if you want to fit it into soemthing small forget fastons and crimps 2021-07-13T01:34:04 < machinehum> Surprisingly well recived by the security community 2021-07-13T01:34:09 < aandrew> you need a US-style plug that connects directly to the PCB 2021-07-13T01:34:39 < machinehum> Yeah I'm not apposed to that 2021-07-13T01:37:56 < machinehum> Oh shit 2021-07-13T01:37:58 < machinehum> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/stamping-copper-contact-sheet-custom-adapter_60560706120.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.3aed6ea10VdkAo 2021-07-13T01:38:00 < machinehum> Kicad 2021-07-13T01:38:02 < machinehum> Kinda* lol 2021-07-13T01:38:29 < machinehum> I could just screw some shit down, blade slides in 2021-07-13T01:39:12 < machinehum> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Custom-Made-Metal-Stamping-Nickel-Plated_1600249923926.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.3aed6ea10VdkAo 2021-07-13T01:39:14 < machinehum> see 2021-07-13T01:39:36 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-13T01:40:06 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T01:42:30 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T01:44:33 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-13T01:44:35 < aandrew> machinehum: https://www.heyco.com/Power_Components/pdf/PCB-Contacts.pdf 2021-07-13T01:45:17 < machinehum> I don't have right angle entry 2021-07-13T01:45:24 < aandrew> so what 2021-07-13T01:45:40 < aandrew> now you have two PCBs; one for the contacts with a more traditional board-to-board right-angle connector to the main PCB 2021-07-13T01:46:11 < aandrew> or even better, make your super tiny galvanically-isolated power supply on the board that plugs in, then just gives 1.8/3.3/whatever to the logic board through a traditional connector 2021-07-13T01:47:37 < machinehum> https://imgur.com/a/groBctg 2021-07-13T01:47:49 < machinehum> Ideally those contacts just have a little right angle bend 2021-07-13T01:48:03 < aandrew> yep but I'm not finding them. I know exactly what you mean 2021-07-13T01:48:16 < machinehum> Thanks for the link BTW 2021-07-13T01:48:20 < machinehum> That's super close 2021-07-13T01:49:53 < machinehum> I could do some jank fucking cutout of the edge of the board 2021-07-13T01:50:02 < machinehum> That would be exciting 2021-07-13T01:53:31 < aandrew> heh no problem 2021-07-13T01:53:39 < aandrew> I'm done though... gotta get back to my own work :-) 2021-07-13T01:55:36 < machinehum> Yeah np 2021-07-13T01:55:36 < machinehum> I might email these Heyco people 2021-07-13T02:14:34 -!- bitrot [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T02:17:51 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-13T02:19:24 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-13T02:30:37 -!- CygniX [~CygniX@2605:6400:30:fdc6:68:f4:4e:78] has left ##stm32 [Konversation terminated!] 2021-07-13T02:31:44 -!- CygniX [~CygniX@2605:6400:30:fdc6:68:f4:4e:78] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T02:40:15 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-13T02:44:09 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T04:05:51 -!- bitrot [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-13T04:05:56 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T04:24:15 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-13T04:30:05 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T04:33:18 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-13T04:56:14 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@79-101-133-21.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T04:59:51 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@109-93-41-98.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-13T05:07:51 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T05:07:53 < Laurenceb> sup 2021-07-13T05:07:54 < Laurenceb> printf("%X,%X,%d\n",can_array[n].can_id&(~CAN_INV_FILTER),id,can_array[n].can_id&(~CAN_INV_FILTER)==id); 2021-07-13T05:08:09 < Laurenceb> 7,7,0 2021-07-13T05:08:12 < Laurenceb> ^how? 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2021-07-13T13:24:10 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/wyZ0PGuQ 2021-07-13T13:24:21 < Laurenceb> I tried to copy candump, but no messages coming through 2021-07-13T13:24:27 < mouseghost> Laurenceb, huh? 2021-07-13T13:24:50 < Laurenceb> I get can frames using that method, works nicely 2021-07-13T13:25:10 < Laurenceb> but the timestamps arent populated, unlike candump where i copied the sores from 2021-07-13T13:25:16 < Laurenceb> obviously something missing... 2021-07-13T13:25:28 < Laurenceb> I applied SO_TIMESTAMP to the socket before binding 2021-07-13T13:25:29 * mouseghost doesnt follow 2021-07-13T13:26:08 < Laurenceb> mouseghost: you can "attach" auxiliary data to Linux socket data as it passes through the Kernel 2021-07-13T13:26:26 < mouseghost> oh 2021-07-13T13:26:47 < mouseghost> why is it called can tho 2021-07-13T13:30:06 < mouseghost> i can be your rubber ducky 2021-07-13T13:38:57 -!- tkoskine [tkoskine@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-13T13:40:21 < Steffanx> CAN, mouseghost ;) 2021-07-13T13:40:36 < mouseghost> yeah but like 2021-07-13T13:40:41 < mouseghost> im confused what we are even talking about 2021-07-13T13:40:51 < mouseghost> is this canbus or is this some internal linux kernel shit 2021-07-13T13:41:03 < qyx> linux socketcan 2021-07-13T13:41:08 -!- tkoskine [tkoskine@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T13:41:15 < qyx> it is regular canbus linux kernel sjit 2021-07-13T13:41:24 < mouseghost> why canbus 2021-07-13T13:41:28 < mouseghost> i dont understand 2021-07-13T13:42:03 < qyx> I would say he wants to use can 2021-07-13T13:43:06 < mouseghost> i feel that he spent like a lot on trying to unfuck it already lmao 2021-07-13T13:44:44 < qyx> he just tend to use a different approach to problem solving 2021-07-13T13:44:53 < mouseghost> qyx, what do you mean? 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2021-07-13T15:32:46 < englishman> for reals 2021-07-13T15:33:08 < englishman> cases are so low here they stopped daily reporting 2021-07-13T15:34:53 < englishman> netherlands chart goes like / 2021-07-13T15:48:11 < BrainDamage> if your covid graph goes erect more than 30days, please consult a physician 2021-07-13T15:51:07 < Steffanx> Tct, we went from lockdown to virtually nothing. 2021-07-13T15:51:31 < Steffanx> No masks, the kids could go to the club with 800+ people etc. 2021-07-13T15:52:26 < Steffanx> Just with entrance covid tests and vaccinated people. Read falsified results/qr codes. 2021-07-13T15:53:16 < Steffanx> Also people vaccinated with janssen didnt have to wait two weeks. It was even called "dansen met janssen" (dance with janssen) 2021-07-13T15:54:22 < Steffanx> Its mainly the 20-29 group. The people that went to clubs etc. And than the people they infected. 2021-07-13T15:56:03 < Steffanx> One club had 600-800 visitors. Last report was 160+ infected. 2021-07-13T15:56:34 < Steffanx> The prime minister already said "sorry" for this 2021-07-13T16:01:59 < Laurenceb> hmf 2021-07-13T16:02:05 < Laurenceb> how do I use gdb on lunix? 2021-07-13T16:02:06 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: you have fake qr codes? 2021-07-13T16:02:21 < Laurenceb> (gdb) break 374 2021-07-13T16:02:21 < Laurenceb> No line 374 in the current file. 2021-07-13T16:02:24 < Laurenceb> I'm failing 2021-07-13T16:02:39 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: b : 2021-07-13T16:03:04 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: good slides, many gdb tricks: https://www.slideshare.net/linaroorg/connect12-q2-gdb 2021-07-13T16:04:14 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: no, not really falsified, more like copies. 2021-07-13T16:04:31 < Steffanx> And they have to check manually with your ID. And ... yeah 2021-07-13T16:04:46 < Steffanx> Its an clusterfuck. 2021-07-13T16:05:05 < Steffanx> a* 2021-07-13T16:05:21 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I got checked my real ID today. 2021-07-13T16:05:52 < Steffanx> Like it is supposed to be, but I get it gets annoying or something when you have to check 800 people. 2021-07-13T16:06:33 < PaulFertser> Heh 2021-07-13T16:07:10 < Steffanx> And when something is "cumbersome" people tend to be less strict then they are supposed to be 2021-07-13T16:07:14 < PaulFertser> The morons here didn't want to get the vaccine, now all cafes are almost empty if at all working. Many opened additional outside tents (where space allowed). 2021-07-13T16:07:26 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-13T16:08:05 < Steffanx> So yeah, clusterfuck. Government fucked up, the clubs fucked up, and the younger people fucked up (and the people that already fucked up like they did before) 2021-07-13T16:08:58 < Steffanx> And the result is what you see. Chart: _/ 2021-07-13T16:09:36 < Steffanx> Today the two week old r factor was like 2.17. Highest since februari 2020 2021-07-13T16:09:46 < BrainDamage> PaulFertser: weird, I thought russia was ahead in vaccinations? 2021-07-13T16:09:58 < tct> Steffanx, good call 2021-07-13T16:10:11 < BrainDamage> it seems that countries that got early success then didn't follow up 2021-07-13T16:10:23 < tct> CN did 2021-07-13T16:10:24 < BrainDamage> maybe because people got lax 2021-07-13T16:10:45 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: the people here are fucked up and full of bullshit 2021-07-13T16:10:49 < BrainDamage> CN stats are as real as angelina jolie's face 2021-07-13T16:11:11 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: everybody in moscow could get sputnik v since Jan! 2021-07-13T16:12:06 < PaulFertser> Today we talked to a UEFI developer who wants "to wait till all the long-term effects of the vaccination are known and understood". 2021-07-13T16:12:21 < PaulFertser> And other than that he seemed to be sane. 2021-07-13T16:12:23 < Steffanx> Dutchland is pretty high in the europe charts I recall. 2021-07-13T16:12:24 < PaulFertser> Go figure :/ 2021-07-13T16:12:37 < tct> dutch people are also proud af for like no reason 2021-07-13T16:12:46 < Steffanx> I hear the same here a lot too. 2021-07-13T16:12:51 < jpa-> it's a valid concern, but considering the information that we already know about the short- and long term effects of covid, the decision is quite easy 2021-07-13T16:12:52 < ventyl> well, there was so much shit spread about vaccines, that I am not even surprised by reaction of some people 2021-07-13T16:13:01 < PaulFertser> jpa-: that's what I told him 2021-07-13T16:13:14 < Steffanx> tct: the group that got sick is partially the non vaccinated group 😉 2021-07-13T16:13:19 < specing> PaulFertser: I mean, if it was unpoliticised, then you could get non-russian vaccines in russia and you could get non-western vaccines in the west 2021-07-13T16:13:25 < specing> PaulFertser: but we are where we are 2021-07-13T16:13:49 < Steffanx> And im not sure why you think we are proud. We're not 2021-07-13T16:13:58 < Steffanx> @mr tct 2021-07-13T16:14:04 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-13T16:14:05 < PaulFertser> specing: I'm not sure if it's really the politics or some stupidity by sputnik promoters, probably they are indeed missing some required documents. 2021-07-13T16:14:21 < Steffanx> I dont think you have ever heard me being proud of something but stroopwafels 2021-07-13T16:14:46 < Steffanx> Tct: your gf got swissified. 2021-07-13T16:14:54 < specing> PaulFertser: can't be just that. Chinese vaccines are also unavailable in the west 2021-07-13T16:15:04 < jpa-> considering how much of a trouble getting even just a radio transmitter approved in a bunch of countries is, it is no surprise that getting vaccines approved in all countries takes time 2021-07-13T16:15:24 < Steffanx> 5G is much more harmful, jpa- 2021-07-13T16:15:31 < jpa-> not just documents, but probably they don't directly accept clinical trials performed in other countries etc. 2021-07-13T16:15:48 < specing> jpa-: somewhat true. But with widespread use in other countries, regulators could see that it is OK and fast-track it 2021-07-13T16:16:05 < BrainDamage> it's quite funny you used a radio transmitter as example vs vaccine 2021-07-13T16:16:12 < BrainDamage> was that intentional? 2021-07-13T16:16:18 < jpa-> specing: the standards for medicine are quite strict, it would be easy to hide even 1 in 1000 adverse effects 2021-07-13T16:16:18 < Steffanx> Ofcourse... 2021-07-13T16:16:19 < specing> jpa-: yeah, so the regulators are politicized 2021-07-13T16:16:57 < BrainDamage> sputnik v needs fcc approval 2021-07-13T16:17:36 < jpa-> in other news, i got chipped yesterday, been very tired.. must be the 5G radiation 2021-07-13T16:17:58 < PaulFertser> jpa-: mRNA? 2021-07-13T16:18:01 < BrainDamage> your body will adapt in a couple of days 2021-07-13T16:18:05 < ventyl> jpa-: poor power rail design for sure 2021-07-13T16:18:13 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, pfizer 2021-07-13T16:18:17 < BrainDamage> just relax and give in 2021-07-13T16:18:43 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-13T16:18:47 < Steffanx> Im glad I only had a sore arm. 2021-07-13T16:18:49 < PaulFertser> Interesting how suddenly mRNA became mainstream. And adenovirus vectors weren't really common either. 2021-07-13T16:19:31 < Steffanx> Its because all non-mRNA vaccines have unfortunate side effects 2021-07-13T16:19:35 < BrainDamage> yeah, it's fairly new as teccnique 2021-07-13T16:19:42 < BrainDamage> but it works 2021-07-13T16:19:56 < BrainDamage> especially after it went such trial by fire 2021-07-13T16:19:59 < Steffanx> If you can call it that. Im not sure how the statistics are nowadays. On for example AZ 2021-07-13T16:23:50 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventors_killed_by_their_own_inventions 2021-07-13T16:24:11 < BrainDamage> i feel like blaxster will belong there sooner or later 2021-07-13T16:24:55 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T16:24:57 < Laurenceb> looks like CMSG_FIRSTHDR(&msg) returns nothing 2021-07-13T16:25:15 < Laurenceb> or NULL rather 2021-07-13T16:25:36 < Laurenceb> It 2021-07-13T16:25:36 < Laurenceb> returns NULL if there isn't enough space for a cmsghdr in the 2021-07-13T16:25:37 < Laurenceb> buffer. 2021-07-13T16:25:44 < Laurenceb> intriguing 2021-07-13T16:28:44 < BrainDamage> Thomas Midgley, Jr. (1889–1944) was an American engineer and chemist who contracted polio at age 51, leaving him severely disabled. He devised an elaborate system of ropes and pulleys to help others lift him from bed. He became accidentally entangled in the ropes and died of strangulation at the age of 55. However, he is better known for two of his other inventions: the tetraethyl lead (TEL) additive to gasoline, and 2021-07-13T16:28:44 < BrainDamage> chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs). 2021-07-13T16:29:12 < BrainDamage> when your legacy is extremely unfortunate 2021-07-13T16:34:54 < ventyl> :> 2021-07-13T16:36:56 < Steffanx> Lol BrainDamage . 2021-07-13T16:39:14 < Steffanx> The curve there goes upwards too it seems, tct 2021-07-13T16:39:27 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-13T16:39:37 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T16:39:39 < Laurenceb> wtf lunix 2021-07-13T16:40:14 < BrainDamage> looks like this afternoon I'm doing fuck all 2021-07-13T16:40:23 < BrainDamage> 0 concentration 2021-07-13T16:40:27 < Laurenceb> found the issue: ret = recvmsg(sock, &msg, flags); sets msg.msg_controllen to zero 2021-07-13T16:40:48 < Laurenceb> so I get NULL later as it could never contain any data 2021-07-13T16:41:49 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T16:43:28 < Laurenceb> upon return from a successful call it will contain the length of the control message sequence 2021-07-13T16:43:36 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-13T16:43:41 < Laurenceb> so Lunix isnt giving me any control message info 2021-07-13T16:43:42 < Laurenceb> fail 2021-07-13T16:47:48 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-13T16:47:51 < mouseghost> Steffanx, whats a "club" in that context 2021-07-13T16:47:56 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T16:53:48 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/linux-can/can-utils/blob/master/candump.c#L690 2021-07-13T16:53:58 < Laurenceb> they passed a pointer to a pointer? 2021-07-13T16:55:34 < ventyl> I think, that it will end up being the same as if & was not there 2021-07-13T16:55:48 < ventyl> as &ctrlmsg is not an lvalue 2021-07-13T16:56:06 < Laurenceb> ah ok I sort of understand 2021-07-13T16:56:27 < Laurenceb> well it gives 0 bytes with and without & 2021-07-13T16:56:35 < ventyl> but I also expect a warning there 2021-07-13T16:56:35 < Laurenceb> wtf is wrong with my code 2021-07-13T16:57:12 < mouseghost> license check forbids your code from running 2021-07-13T16:57:25 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/mBJjZwye 2021-07-13T16:57:25 < Laurenceb> lol 2021-07-13T16:58:05 < Laurenceb> line 350 to 380 or so 2021-07-13T16:58:41 < Laurenceb> everything works perfectly apart from there being zero control data 2021-07-13T17:00:44 < Laurenceb> maybe the fact that everything else works rules out a lot 2021-07-13T17:01:07 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T17:02:46 < Steffanx> mouseghost: disco? 2021-07-13T17:02:56 < mouseghost> ah 2021-07-13T17:03:12 < Steffanx> And similar 2021-07-13T17:08:17 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T17:09:12 < Laurenceb> maybe setting timeout could stock SO_TIMESTAMPING from working? 2021-07-13T17:09:18 < Laurenceb> *stop 2021-07-13T17:09:41 < Laurenceb> I'm struggling to see where my code is different from candump 2021-07-13T17:09:49 < Laurenceb> other than how I'm using the socket 2021-07-13T17:22:04 < bitmask> good something people 2021-07-13T17:28:14 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: alan_o, mid-kid 2021-07-13T17:28:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mid-kid 2021-07-13T17:28:29 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:fcc0:b8af:5c58:24f9] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T17:29:09 < bitmask> hmm, whats the natural background radiation level in uSv/hr 2021-07-13T17:35:17 < Laurenceb> shit 2021-07-13T17:35:25 < Laurenceb> ioctrl gives last traffic on the bus 2021-07-13T17:35:32 < Laurenceb> not a specific timestamp of a packet 2021-07-13T17:35:36 < Laurenceb> I'm screwed 2021-07-13T17:44:48 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-13T17:48:31 < Steffanx> Depends on where you are bitmask ... 2021-07-13T17:48:59 < bitmask> k k k 2021-07-13T17:49:01 < bitmask> oops 2021-07-13T17:51:23 < ventyl> anywhere from 3uSv to I think 100uSv 2021-07-13T17:51:38 < bitmask> not an hour 2021-07-13T17:52:45 < ventyl> up to 30uSv/h 2021-07-13T17:53:06 < bitmask> that cant be right 2021-07-13T17:53:16 < ventyl> 260mSv/year 2021-07-13T17:53:16 < bitmask> i think its 3 per year 2021-07-13T17:53:36 < BrainDamage> bitmask: it highly depends on your surroundings 2021-07-13T17:53:46 < bitmask> true but thats a big difference 2021-07-13T17:53:48 < ventyl> 3mSv/year is among lowest natural backgrounds you can experience 2021-07-13T17:54:07 < BrainDamage> tuff and other volcano based rocks have high radioactivity 2021-07-13T17:54:13 < bitmask> i guess im only going by two sources but 2021-07-13T17:54:19 < ventyl> in high-elevated areas and some areas with specific minerals, it may be much, much, much higher 2021-07-13T17:54:22 < BrainDamage> and can even accumulate radon in your basement 2021-07-13T17:54:43 < bitmask> my meter reads 0.09 uSv/hour, i know its not accurate and doesnt measure alpha but shouldnt be too far off 2021-07-13T17:54:43 < ventyl> 260mSv/year can be measured in some areas of city Ramsar in Iran 2021-07-13T17:54:58 < bitmask> well yea but thats an extreme example 2021-07-13T17:55:14 < ventyl> but not the only and not *that* extreme 2021-07-13T17:55:16 < BrainDamage> 260mS/year sounds a bit dangerous in long term 2021-07-13T17:55:24 < ventyl> suprisingly, it is not 2021-07-13T17:56:30 < ventyl> well, actually, unsuprisingly, as 260mSv/year is dose comparable to one of commercial airline pilots 2021-07-13T17:56:48 < bitmask> i gotta finish lining this can in lead, i screwed up one endcap and wont have enough if I screw up again 2021-07-13T17:59:54 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T18:02:51 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-13T18:02:51 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-13T18:09:28 < bitmask> ahh shit, i dont have enough lead, i gotta order more, I thought I had enough for one screw up but apparently not 2021-07-13T18:10:46 < bitmask> 20 bucks down the drain 2021-07-13T18:18:48 < Laurenceb> bitmask15:48:32 2021-07-13T18:18:49 < Laurenceb> k k k 2021-07-13T18:19:02 * Laurenceb passes a white hood 2021-07-13T18:19:38 < bitmask> thats why i oopsed 2021-07-13T18:24:06 < Laurenceb> msg.msg_controllen is alwasy zero :( 2021-07-13T18:25:49 < Laurenceb> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57186620/in-which-cases-can-msg-controllen-be-0-when-accessing-ancillary-data-after-send 2021-07-13T18:25:53 < Laurenceb> >no answers 2021-07-13T18:25:55 < Laurenceb> reeee 2021-07-13T18:26:48 < bitmask> im such a bafoon 2021-07-13T18:26:59 < bitmask> i did have enough lead 2021-07-13T18:27:04 < bitmask> didnt need to order another sheet 2021-07-13T18:40:38 < Laurenceb> interesting 2021-07-13T18:40:47 < Laurenceb> I wrote simple demo code, it fails in the same way 2021-07-13T18:43:31 < Laurenceb> anyone have can hardware unde rlunix? 2021-07-13T18:43:32 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/Pj4jFakc 2021-07-13T19:03:03 < englishman> no covid deaths here in the last 7 days 2021-07-13T19:03:45 < englishman> 81% of 12+ single dose, 46% two doses 2021-07-13T19:06:18 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-13T19:06:29 < englishman> interesting that since the end of Feb, the Alpha (UK) variant has almost completely taken over as the cause of positive cases, so it's basically a second pandemic 2021-07-13T19:07:07 -!- Laurenceb48 [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T19:08:06 < Laurenceb48> clearly I need to consult a lunix pro 2021-07-13T19:08:07 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-13T19:08:16 < Laurenceb48> wasting my time here, I'm sod out of luck 2021-07-13T19:08:22 < Steffanx> Here we have Delta. Want some , englishman ? 2021-07-13T19:12:45 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T19:24:02 < BrainDamage> it's just a lame attempt of uk to try colonialism again 2021-07-13T19:24:17 < BrainDamage> they are trying to outdo china 2021-07-13T19:24:54 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::a482] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T19:27:08 < mawk> lol 2021-07-13T19:27:28 < mawk> how to do filter paper at home BrainDamage 2021-07-13T19:27:40 < BrainDamage> buy coffee filters 2021-07-13T19:27:42 < mawk> coffee filter? cotton ball in a funnel? cleaning towel? 2021-07-13T19:27:50 < mawk> hmm 2021-07-13T19:28:01 < mawk> I found some unbleached one, I will try 2021-07-13T19:28:02 < BrainDamage> cotton ball leaves too much lint 2021-07-13T19:28:13 < mawk> but I have a feeling the solution will eat away at the paper maybe 2021-07-13T19:28:15 < mawk> ah right 2021-07-13T19:28:37 < BrainDamage> cleaning towel may work 2021-07-13T19:31:28 < Laurenceb48> wtf now it works 2021-07-13T19:31:29 < Laurenceb48> ok wut 2021-07-13T19:32:01 < Laurenceb48> https://pastebin.com/jjHhMmFg <-fails 2021-07-13T19:32:27 < Laurenceb48> https://pastebin.com/vQnh7kG2 <- works 2021-07-13T19:32:29 < Laurenceb48> wtf 2021-07-13T19:32:43 < Steffanx> Every considered a job as magician, Laurenceb48 ? 2021-07-13T19:32:49 < Laurenceb48> lol 2021-07-13T19:34:06 < Steffanx> And a tool which shows diffs on your pastes, because im not going to look for it 2021-07-13T19:34:11 < BrainDamage> mawk: I recommend getting an aspirator pump too and a t fitting for your filtration funnel 2021-07-13T19:34:25 < BrainDamage> vacuum filtration is much much less frustrating 2021-07-13T19:34:55 < mawk> I see 2021-07-13T19:35:07 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-13T19:35:09 < mawk> well what I have to filter can be described as colloidal I think BrainDamage 2021-07-13T19:35:33 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-13T19:35:34 < mawk> cellulose polymer shit carried over from a gel 2021-07-13T19:39:48 < mawk> HPMC polymer 2021-07-13T19:40:12 < mawk> hydroxypropylmethylcelluloshit 2021-07-13T19:40:54 < mawk> a tap filtration doesn't work as good BrainDamage ? 2021-07-13T19:40:58 < mawk> instead of pump 2021-07-13T19:43:10 < BrainDamage> not sur what that is 2021-07-13T19:53:45 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::a482] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-13T19:59:19 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T20:04:22 < Laurenceb48> arggg wtf 2021-07-13T20:04:29 < Laurenceb48> the absolute state of Lunix 2021-07-13T20:04:33 < Laurenceb48> >setsockopt(s, SOL_SOCKET, SO_TIMESTAMP, &n, sizeof(n 2021-07-13T20:04:46 < Laurenceb48> SO_TIMESTAMP/SO_TIMESTAMPING 2021-07-13T20:05:06 < Laurenceb48> >they changed the enum but kept the old one defined yet made it brake the new kernel 2021-07-13T20:05:10 < Laurenceb48> what the fuuuuuu 2021-07-13T20:05:21 < Laurenceb48> *break 2021-07-13T20:05:47 < Laurenceb48> how could anyone think this was a good idea 2021-07-13T20:06:09 < ventyl> well, the old one works with old kernels, new one works with new kernels 2021-07-13T20:06:27 < Laurenceb48> >wasted my whole afternoon because they changed the name of a #define 2021-07-13T20:06:48 < ventyl> weren't you receiving something like non-zero return status from setsockopt? 2021-07-13T20:07:02 < Laurenceb48> nope it accepted it 2021-07-13T20:07:15 < Laurenceb48> and then did nothing... 2021-07-13T20:10:05 -!- Laurenceb48 [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-13T20:10:45 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RiYXI1Tfu4 2021-07-13T20:12:25 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T20:12:28 < Laurenceb> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/65363515/difference-between-so-timestamp-and-so-timestamping-software-timestamps 2021-07-13T20:12:37 < Laurenceb> there may be "method" in the madness 2021-07-13T20:12:53 < Laurenceb> SocketCAN kernel driver was rewritten and the timestamp generation point changed 2021-07-13T20:13:06 < Laurenceb> so the timestmap terminology has to change... I guess 2021-07-13T20:14:11 < Laurenceb> maybe I could logic or the two flags for cross compatibility, time to try 2021-07-13T20:16:28 < Laurenceb> or fails but one after the other works 2021-07-13T20:17:41 < Laurenceb> the horror https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57823716 2021-07-13T20:17:52 < Laurenceb> poor """influencers""" 2021-07-13T20:19:05 < Steffanx> You consider yourself a influencer too right? 2021-07-13T20:19:19 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-13T20:19:32 < BrainDamage> in the sense he spreads influenza 2021-07-13T20:25:42 < jpa-> BrainDamage: why are you so mean behind lb's back? 2021-07-13T20:25:48 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300:154d:ef73:9131:cd9] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T20:26:04 < BrainDamage> I wrote it before he quit 2021-07-13T20:26:59 < BrainDamage> otherwise, I have no problems being mean on his face 2021-07-13T20:27:46 < Steffanx> You have no clue what we said about you, jpa- 2021-07-13T20:28:34 < BrainDamage> nah, that's why he placed a logger bot 2021-07-13T20:29:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T20:29:16 < jpa-> there is no logger bot 2021-07-13T20:29:18 < Steffanx> Hes the logger bot.. 2021-07-13T20:29:25 < jpa-> or that :) 2021-07-13T20:31:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T20:40:34 < upgrdman> anyone know if the FTDI drivers can report when a buffer overflows? when i use a device with an old FT232BM (128 byte tx buffer) I get occasional data corruption. when i use a device with a FT232RQ (256 byte tx buffer) it seems to work perfect. hoping for a way to confirm that the problem is buffer overflow. 2021-07-13T20:41:34 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-13T20:43:06 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T21:09:12 < ventyl> upgrdman: do you check return value of write() call? 2021-07-13T21:10:22 < upgrdman> its being used as a uart 2021-07-13T21:10:52 < ventyl> on windows? 2021-07-13T21:12:05 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T21:13:11 < upgrdman> yes 2021-07-13T21:13:25 < upgrdman> oh, oops, i meant RX buffer, not TX buffer 2021-07-13T21:13:38 < upgrdman> data is coming from a mcu 2021-07-13T21:13:52 < upgrdman> pc is not sending any data 2021-07-13T21:14:15 < ventyl> poor litle PC not keeping up with MCU sending data over UART 2021-07-13T21:14:58 < upgrdman> i dont think the pc is to blame 2021-07-13T21:16:00 < upgrdman> at first i thought it was a firmware problem, but SerialPortMonitor confirms that the PC see's occasional corrupted data 2021-07-13T21:16:05 < upgrdman> s/but/and 2021-07-13T21:16:18 < upgrdman> but when i scope the tx pin of my mcu, it looks good. 2021-07-13T21:16:37 < upgrdman> so i suspect the ftdi rx buffer is overflowing sometimes. 2021-07-13T21:17:46 < upgrdman> hmm. i wonder if the ftdi drives the RTS/DTR/etc pins or if they are just controlled through the driver 2021-07-13T21:27:50 < mouseghost> upgrdman, check your clock 2021-07-13T21:28:27 < mouseghost> oh 2021-07-13T21:28:28 < mouseghost> nvm 2021-07-13T21:28:33 < mouseghost> youve checked with scope... 2021-07-13T21:39:13 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/keRNIdp 2021-07-13T21:39:32 < bitmask> lid of my lead lined container with minimal lead visible 2021-07-13T21:41:43 < ventyl> bitmask: how is the plastic bounded to the lead? 2021-07-13T21:42:18 < bitmask> cant see it in the pics but theres 4 screws that go between the top and bottom plastic piece 2021-07-13T21:42:36 < ventyl> ah ok 2021-07-13T21:50:04 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-13T21:54:44 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T22:15:57 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-13T22:25:41 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T22:40:55 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-13T22:52:51 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] --- Day changed Wed Jul 14 2021 2021-07-14T00:08:19 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178.220.209.103] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T00:27:39 < karlp> re rad exposure, a friend of mine is a stewardess, she got grounded one month as she'd exceededher monthly rad allowance based on her flights... 2021-07-14T00:42:29 < sauce> seems to me the occupational safety limits are well below what you'd get from living at a high altitude also 2021-07-14T00:48:12 < sauce> ah that's incorrect, it's the limit for members of the public 2021-07-14T00:49:59 < sauce> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stevens 2021-07-14T00:50:02 < sauce> this shit is crazy 2021-07-14T00:50:37 < karlp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/nKBqb.png 2021-07-14T00:52:37 < sauce> he had the largest dose known to be absorbed by a human over the course of his life....from less than a microgram of material 2021-07-14T00:53:31 < karlp> well, duh, work limits will be low, because _no_ corporate lawyer ever wants to be on the wrong end of a case of "I cant have babies because you didn't take me off the roster..." 2021-07-14T01:07:17 < mouseghost> "On May 14, 1945, he was injected with 131 kBq (3.55 µCi) of plutonium without his knowledge or informed consent." wtf tho 2021-07-14T01:07:26 < englishman> lol irl karl 2021-07-14T01:10:53 < kakium69> sauce: in us they radiated all kinds of things intentionally 2021-07-14T01:11:10 < kakium69> in ussr accidentally 2021-07-14T01:11:53 < kakium69> or by neglectance 2021-07-14T01:13:03 < sauce> my favourite one is the windscale fire 2021-07-14T01:15:45 < englishman> idk why but this diagram makes me smile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire#/media/File:Windscale-reactor.svg 2021-07-14T01:16:10 < englishman> having highly radioactive weaponized plutonium just pooping out the back of the reactor into a little kiddie pool 2021-07-14T01:17:06 < specing> Ah yeah, union of capitalistic states methods 2021-07-14T01:19:07 < karlp> bt 5.3 is out, but I dont' remember what was in 5.2? 2021-07-14T01:19:37 < karlp> englishman: lol at "aim at eyes" ? 2021-07-14T01:19:46 < englishman> yes 2021-07-14T01:20:00 < karlp> yeah, multi core too, xmos inside? :) 2021-07-14T01:20:16 < karlp> or just dual 8051..... 2021-07-14T01:28:57 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T01:35:54 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-14T01:39:31 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T01:42:04 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T01:47:34 < englishman> sauce: that is indeed a fantastic reactor and fire, thank you for mentioning it, i had not heard of it before 2021-07-14T01:50:43 < machinehum> https://old.reddit.com/r/AskElectronics/comments/oj2tsf/looking_for_a_rightangle_version_of_this/ 2021-07-14T01:50:47 < machinehum> My quest continues 2021-07-14T01:51:28 < machinehum> Nothing like wasting 1Davide's time 2021-07-14T01:52:26 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-14T01:52:31 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@user/unmanbearpig] has quit [Quit: unmanbearpig] 2021-07-14T02:09:16 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-14T02:17:07 < bitmask> lead container finished minus the outer shell, came out pretty goo 2021-07-14T02:17:08 < bitmask> d 2021-07-14T02:25:56 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T02:26:38 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@178-221-117-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T02:26:46 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by c4017w_))] 2021-07-14T02:27:09 -!- c4017w_ is now known as c4017w 2021-07-14T02:27:18 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178.220.209.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-14T02:45:37 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@178-221-117-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-14T02:45:53 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-117-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T02:51:32 < bitmask> put my samples in and im just reading normal background radiation, it works :) 2021-07-14T03:02:25 < BrainDamage> do you have a screwdriver and a neutron reflector to play around now? 2021-07-14T03:03:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-14T03:03:30 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-14T03:04:50 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-14T03:06:03 < bitmask> umm i do not 2021-07-14T03:11:19 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T03:13:06 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T03:21:12 < BrainDamage> I'm calling bullshit on the previous claim that 250mSv/year is harmless, it's within the treshold of chronic radiation syndrome, which results in multi-organ damage https://web.archive.org/web/20141103182422/http://www.icrp.org/docs/Tissue%20Reactions%20Report%20Draft%20for%20Consultation.pdf 2021-07-14T03:22:21 < BrainDamage> you need ~1Gy and dose rates above 0.1Gy/year, which 250mSv/year would reach in 5 years 2021-07-14T03:22:39 < BrainDamage> so that city would have a sickly population if that was true 2021-07-14T03:32:16 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-117-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-14T03:45:23 < bitmask> yea seems like a lot to me 2021-07-14T03:49:08 < englishman> https://archive.org/details/0391_SL-1_Accident_Briefing_Film_Report_The_23_36_08_00 2021-07-14T03:49:50 < englishman> withdrawing this control rod 20 inches instead of 4 inches resulted in the reactor going critical, an explosion, and 3 deaths 2021-07-14T03:50:04 < englishman> science is amazing 2021-07-14T03:50:54 < englishman> one of the 3 dead had a control rod going all the way through him. he was embedded in the ceiling 2021-07-14T04:00:06 < BrainDamage> https://sci-hub.st/10.1177/0033294120978162 2021-07-14T04:01:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-14T04:01:52 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-14T04:18:44 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T04:35:42 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-14T04:53:38 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-14T05:57:12 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300:154d:ef73:9131:cd9] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-14T05:59:45 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T06:02:19 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-14T06:02:19 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-14T06:19:48 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::217b] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T06:29:19 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-14T06:37:58 < jadew> finally ready: https://cojotech.com/media/datasheets/FLAMP-030-29%20-%20Datasheet.pdf 2021-07-14T06:38:06 < jadew> it lost a GHz in the process :/ 2021-07-14T06:39:17 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T06:39:36 < jadew> still pretty good to 4 GHz, and useful to 7, but I couldn't claim the ±1 dB flatness if I specified it higher 2021-07-14T06:47:05 < jadew> time for bed o/ 2021-07-14T07:07:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T07:22:10 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-14T07:40:31 < R2COM> goddamnit fuck this chip shortage 2021-07-14T07:40:48 < R2COM> fuck those who created this virus 2021-07-14T07:41:41 < R2COM> and also fuck those who overorder ICs 2021-07-14T07:41:57 < R2COM> its same as those stupid walmart fucks who overbuy toilet papers 2021-07-14T08:25:13 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T08:43:44 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-117-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T09:21:24 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T09:50:07 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-14T10:03:44 < jpa-> jadew: nice :) 2021-07-14T10:20:57 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-14T10:21:07 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T10:21:38 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T11:07:07 < kakium69> there has even been shortage of garden gnomes :D 2021-07-14T11:08:18 < Steffanx> Oh dear. What now kakium69 2021-07-14T11:11:35 < kakium69> panic ofc 2021-07-14T11:13:07 < kakium69> it would have been funny if garden gnome shortage was because of panic bying but actually it was because of suez thing 2021-07-14T11:14:09 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-14T11:20:17 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T11:21:09 < ventyl> that's fairly understandable 2021-07-14T11:21:38 < ventyl> chip shortage caused lack of advanced machine learning engines suitable for garden gnome installation, therefore the lack of garden gnomes 2021-07-14T11:53:26 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-117-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-14T13:09:28 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T13:20:41 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T13:34:03 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-14T13:36:54 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-14T13:43:26 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T14:03:13 -!- mouseghost_ [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T14:06:47 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-14T14:06:50 -!- mouseghost_ is now known as mouseghost 2021-07-14T14:14:34 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-14T14:15:18 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T14:20:57 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-14T15:09:56 < englishman> can I switch from a C temp grade to an I temp grade, same speed, without any problems 2021-07-14T15:10:08 < englishman> my assumption is yes, but with FPGAs i don't want to make any assumptions 2021-07-14T15:10:11 < englishman> aandrew: ? 2021-07-14T15:10:18 < englishman> https://forums.xilinx.com/t5/General-Technical-Discussion/Xilinx-FPGA-Commercial-vs-Industrial-Reliability/td-p/186038 2021-07-14T15:10:25 < englishman> this kind of wafts around the answer 2021-07-14T15:10:34 < englishman> even contradicts itself 2021-07-14T15:10:50 < englishman> oh i didnt mention: yes xilinx fpga spartan6 2021-07-14T15:11:28 < englishman> hoping to use identical bitstream 2021-07-14T15:11:40 < zyp> have you tried just building for C vs I and comparing the timing report? 2021-07-14T15:11:41 < ventyl> hm, cortex m0+ can be made dual core 2021-07-14T15:11:50 < englishman> bitstream cannot be rebuilt 2021-07-14T15:11:51 < jpa-> reading the answer it sounds like I and C parts are the same, but I parts go through extra high-temp testing in manufacturing 2021-07-14T15:12:06 < zyp> yeah, I'd expect I and C to just be binning 2021-07-14T15:12:11 < zyp> but so are speed grades 2021-07-14T15:12:43 < englishman> yeah, i also assume that you'd always be able to use a chip with superior rating 2021-07-14T15:12:53 < englishman> but with fpgas, i don't know enough to ensure that assumption is safe 2021-07-14T15:13:15 < zyp> also, doesn't xilinx do a thing where the same part is marked both as one speed grade for industrial temp range and another speed grade for commercial temp range? 2021-07-14T15:13:40 < englishman> hmm 2021-07-14T15:14:00 < englishman> the chip in question is XC6SLX75-2CSG484C 2021-07-14T15:14:03 < englishman> https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/data_sheets/ds160.pdf 2021-07-14T15:14:30 < zyp> I wouldn't be surprised if that was also -1 I 2021-07-14T15:14:38 < zyp> from what I remember 2021-07-14T15:15:08 < englishman> https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/data_sheets/ds162.pdf 2021-07-14T15:15:14 < englishman> seems to be temp grade agnostic 2021-07-14T15:15:22 < englishman> ok 2021-07-14T15:15:32 < englishman> so if i order -2 I i should be safe 2021-07-14T15:15:48 < zyp> probably 2021-07-14T15:15:52 < englishman> :) 2021-07-14T15:22:12 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-14T15:25:11 < englishman> https://forums.xilinx.com/t5/FPGA-Configuration/Spartan-6-Commercial-vs-Industrial/td-p/1254092 2021-07-14T15:25:31 < englishman> probably in the same boat as me, C grade not available, I grade loads of stock 2021-07-14T15:26:33 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 2021-07-14T15:31:10 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T15:31:26 < jadew> news from last month: John McAfee killed himself over taxes 2021-07-14T15:34:07 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T15:35:05 < BrainDamage> deadly taxess 2021-07-14T15:36:29 < specing> guy knew he was gonna get Capone'd 2021-07-14T15:39:37 < englishman> i wonder if all ICs act the same 2021-07-14T15:39:47 < englishman> in that internally, the high temp grade parts are slightly faster 2021-07-14T15:40:02 < englishman> but we don't see the difference as everything has been designed for all temp grades 2021-07-14T15:40:50 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-14T15:58:48 < jpa-> englishman: in all ICs, there is a critical path that limits the speed of the device; and the transistors in that path get worse the further away they go from the optimal operating condition; but it is not necessarily /\ shaped slope where the top would rise when the bottom gets wider, instead it could be ,----. where it just gets wider but room temperature speed does not significantly change 2021-07-14T16:15:31 < englishman> yes. and we generally never see this effect because we clock them so low 2021-07-14T16:16:12 < jpa-> yeah, we do not want to see the critical path fail 2021-07-14T16:17:20 < jpa-> is a chip fast if it runs at slow clock speed? :) 2021-07-14T16:18:40 < BrainDamage> yes 2021-07-14T16:18:49 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T16:18:53 < BrainDamage> the critical path is delimited on propagation speed 2021-07-14T16:22:14 < jpa-> the question boils down to: "How well does ability to run at X MHz at Y °C predict the ability to run at >X MHz at increased temp reduces conducibility in cmos logic 2021-07-14T16:24:41 < BrainDamage> so fastah at lower temps, slower at higher 2021-07-14T16:38:00 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-14T17:21:23 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T17:39:01 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-14T17:44:44 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T17:44:46 < Laurenceb> sheeeeettttt 2021-07-14T17:44:55 < Laurenceb> I just got b& from all football matches 2021-07-14T17:45:11 < Laurenceb> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57837003 2021-07-14T17:48:55 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-14T17:49:25 < tct> some off-topic: Given a server application which accepts HTTP requests and serves rendered HTTP to the client; there is a form on one of the pages to add a new item. The user clicks on "submit" and the server receives the request with the form data. The server can't add the item eg. because of a "duplicate name" issue. How does one report this back to the user properly? Should the HTML template which contains the form also 2021-07-14T17:49:25 < tct> contain a message popup which is default hidden but on error the server sends the same template back but with the error message filled in and the popup marked as visible? 2021-07-14T17:50:29 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T17:53:14 < MrMobius> your professor has a weird way of phrasing homework questions 2021-07-14T17:55:34 < tct> lol 2021-07-14T17:59:10 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T18:02:16 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-14T18:02:16 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-14T18:06:22 < Steffanx> One posts single item using XHR and gets a response back and one shows a message. Or whatever is hot today 😋 2021-07-14T18:07:18 < tct> yeah that is the "modern" way of doing it. 2021-07-14T18:41:10 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-14T18:49:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-14T18:50:23 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-14T18:53:48 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T18:57:47 < Steffanx> Tct: I guess the more static template way is some conditional in the template I think. "{% if error %} error message html {% endif %} 2021-07-14T18:58:06 < Steffanx> Assuming your templating language supports conditionals 2021-07-14T18:58:49 < tct> yep 2021-07-14T18:58:51 < tct> thanks Steffanx 2021-07-14T19:05:26 < Steffanx> Mangy_Dog: like freenode more? 2021-07-14T19:06:19 < Mangy_Dog> o/ 2021-07-14T19:06:25 < Mangy_Dog> no 2021-07-14T19:06:29 < Mangy_Dog> just hovering in both tilol most people move 2021-07-14T19:23:11 < zyp> there's still people left on freenode? 2021-07-14T19:24:09 < zyp> I thought most of the remaining left once the old services db disappeared 2021-07-14T19:36:59 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T19:42:08 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T19:44:03 < Steffanx> Using this one will be more helpful I think, Mangy_Dog ;) 2021-07-14T19:49:40 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-14T19:55:18 < Mangy_Dog> indeed 2021-07-14T19:55:31 < Mangy_Dog> ohhhh 2021-07-14T19:55:33 < Mangy_Dog> i see 2021-07-14T19:55:35 < Mangy_Dog> sorry :D 2021-07-14T19:55:41 < Mangy_Dog> yeah i thought i was typing in here 2021-07-14T19:55:52 < BrainDamage> freenode banks on the fact that many web links still point on the old freenode 2021-07-14T19:55:58 < BrainDamage> + people's memory 2021-07-14T19:56:00 < Mangy_Dog> got about 17 odd windows open :D 2021-07-14T20:06:08 < Steffanx> Im helpful today, right tct? :P 2021-07-14T20:32:18 < bitmask> hmm, didnt know stick welding rods came with a layer of flux on them... just spent like 30 minutes removing it 2021-07-14T20:33:04 < sync> stick welding doesn't work without it 2021-07-14T20:33:21 < bitmask> i just wanted the rods 2021-07-14T20:33:53 < bitmask> i was looking for thin rods that might be good for electromagnets, these are iron and nickel (55%) 2021-07-14T20:34:30 < bitmask> smallest diameter silicon iron rods i found are 5mm 2021-07-14T20:37:19 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T20:37:28 < qyx> is silicon iron magnetically "the best"? 2021-07-14T20:37:54 < BrainDamage> only at extremely low freq 2021-07-14T20:37:58 < bitmask> probably not the best but i think its good 2021-07-14T20:38:15 < BrainDamage> iirc cobalt steel is the best one 2021-07-14T20:38:18 < bitmask> i was just looking for that or soft iron 2021-07-14T20:38:20 < BrainDamage> but it's not cheap 2021-07-14T20:38:30 < bitmask> oh well yea im not looking to spend a lot, hence the welding rods 2021-07-14T20:38:48 < BrainDamage> as freq increases iron in general goes downhill fast 2021-07-14T20:38:48 < bitmask> im not even sure how 55% nickel content is gonna do 2021-07-14T20:39:05 < bitmask> yea im not planning on high frequency 2021-07-14T20:42:08 < qyx> I wanted to do the 8 Hz magnetic field voodoo 2021-07-14T20:42:16 < qyx> which may be considered DC 2021-07-14T20:44:05 < BrainDamage> get laminated iron 2021-07-14T20:44:15 < BrainDamage> it's not as dc as you wish 2021-07-14T20:44:46 < qyx> I wanted to do a "laminated" welding rod setup 2021-07-14T20:45:07 < qyx> epoxy coat the individual rods and make a core about 50 mm in diameter 2021-07-14T20:45:16 < BrainDamage> that works 2021-07-14T20:45:53 < bitmask> what is this 8 hz voodoo? 2021-07-14T20:46:24 < ds2> what are you trying to maximize? 2021-07-14T20:46:29 < ds2> (or minimize) 2021-07-14T20:46:31 < qyx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances 2021-07-14T20:47:23 < BrainDamage> listening to earth's tweets 2021-07-14T20:47:57 < ds2> so low current with a large, mu? 2021-07-14T20:48:26 < qyx> the other application is to detect earthquages 2021-07-14T20:48:37 < qyx> as the coils move in Earth's magnetic field 2021-07-14T20:48:46 < ds2> think some of the material differences have to do to hysteriese (sp) losses 2021-07-14T20:48:59 < ds2> which may not matter much for lower power 2021-07-14T20:49:31 < BrainDamage> it does matter when you build an antenna 2021-07-14T20:49:37 < BrainDamage> a lossy antenna is a deaf one 2021-07-14T20:49:44 < bitmask> i see 2021-07-14T20:50:32 < ds2> wonder if mu metal would be a better core for you 2021-07-14T20:50:43 < ds2> $$ though 2021-07-14T20:52:01 < BrainDamage> the 'standard' is ferrites for antennas 2021-07-14T20:52:35 < BrainDamage> in terms of mu it's only a factor of 2-3 smaller than iron 2021-07-14T20:52:59 < BrainDamage> and it outweights iron in losses by orders of magnitude 2021-07-14T20:53:14 < BrainDamage> so there's net gain 2021-07-14T20:53:36 < BrainDamage> then again, welding rods are cheap 2021-07-14T20:54:50 < qyx> I read some blogpost of a guy who used rectangular cross section steel rods 2021-07-14T20:54:58 < qyx> it worked grea 2021-07-14T20:55:23 < ds2> is there a easy way to measure the losses? 2021-07-14T20:57:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [] 2021-07-14T20:57:47 < BrainDamage> yes 2021-07-14T20:57:55 < BrainDamage> you make a transformer with the core 2021-07-14T20:58:07 < BrainDamage> then do pout/pin 2021-07-14T20:58:34 < ds2> that doesn't sound that easy 2021-07-14T20:59:04 < BrainDamage> compared to physical analysis, it's trivial :p 2021-07-14T20:59:17 < BrainDamage> the losses core come from many components 2021-07-14T20:59:38 < BrainDamage> eddy currents which are subject of skin effect, magnetization hysteresis, etc 2021-07-14T20:59:39 < ds2> easy is connecting 2 wire and reading things off a meter...like those LCR meters :D 2021-07-14T20:59:57 < BrainDamage> that'd work 2021-07-14T21:00:33 < BrainDamage> if you make a coil with it, and first measure dc rating, and then you measure the resistive component at certain freq 2021-07-14T21:00:54 < BrainDamage> the difference is the core's loss 2021-07-14T21:01:56 < ds2> oh cool, that's a nifty trick 2021-07-14T21:04:35 < qyx> wait what 2021-07-14T21:04:55 < qyx> so feed it with an AC voltage and mesaure the current 2021-07-14T21:05:04 < qyx> or feed with constant current AC and measure the voltage 2021-07-14T21:05:10 < qyx> and calculate reactance? 2021-07-14T21:05:47 < ds2> I read that as - measure the AC parasitic resistance 2021-07-14T21:07:17 < BrainDamage> you want the real component, not the imaginary, yes 2021-07-14T21:07:38 < BrainDamage> the imaginary comes from inductance, the real come from losses 2021-07-14T21:08:18 < BrainDamage> funningly enough, the complex part of the magnetic permeability will appear as lossses 2021-07-14T21:09:03 < ds2> this is a nice use for the cheap VNAs 2021-07-14T21:10:59 < bitmask> these cheap PE lunch lady gloves were a good buy, tired of wasting good nitrile when i only need gloves real quick or just trying to keep my hands clean 2021-07-14T21:16:20 < qyx> I shlold refill my knowledge first 2021-07-14T21:16:25 < qyx> *should 2021-07-14T21:17:38 < sauce> bitmask: yeah same, my typical use case for gloves is "I don't want to coat everything i touch in sebum" 2021-07-14T21:17:43 < sauce> might try cotton gloves for that also 2021-07-14T21:19:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T21:19:43 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-14T21:20:28 < bitmask> heh 2021-07-14T21:23:01 < bitmask> i wanna do some airbrushing but the setup and clean up is such a bitch 2021-07-14T21:25:34 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-14T21:32:36 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-14T21:33:03 < upgrdman> bitmask, i used to airbrush a lot of RC car bodies and heli canopies. only takes a couple minutes to start/stop 2021-07-14T21:33:20 < upgrdman> what is taking so long? maybe there's a better way to do it 2021-07-14T21:34:22 < bitmask> well its the setup mostly, i dont have a workshop or anything so I have to bring everything down from the attic to do in my room, i made a spray booth so I gotta set that all up and connect it to the window, its just annoying :P 2021-07-14T21:34:33 < upgrdman> ah ok 2021-07-14T21:34:51 < upgrdman> so the problem is that you're poor 2021-07-14T21:34:52 < upgrdman> ;) 2021-07-14T21:34:55 < bitmask> haha exactly 2021-07-14T21:35:28 < upgrdman> i fell your pain. 2021-07-14T21:35:31 < upgrdman> feel* 2021-07-14T21:38:16 < bitmask> guess i'll finish my cloud chamber 2021-07-14T21:55:57 < sauce> pfff imagine finishing projects 2021-07-14T21:59:15 < qyx> finished projects are no fun 2021-07-14T21:59:33 < bitmask> yea once they are finished they never get turned on again 2021-07-14T22:10:52 < upgrdman> if the f7 i need is ever stocked again, i'll finally be able to make way on my current project 2021-07-14T22:11:58 < ventyl> my finished projects usually run some stuff 2021-07-14T23:04:33 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] --- Day changed Thu Jul 15 2021 2021-07-15T00:09:27 -!- qyx [~qyx@gw2.krtko.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-15T00:09:53 -!- qyx [~qyx@gw2.krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T00:25:31 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T00:55:45 < mawk> I tested my blood group with a testing kit 2021-07-15T00:55:49 < mawk> I'm A+ normally 2021-07-15T01:03:06 < Steffanx> What test kit did you get for this mr mawk? 2021-07-15T01:04:36 < mawk> Steffanx: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013F5PAV0/ 2021-07-15T01:04:59 < mawk> you have to make a hole in your finger with a special blade they give you 2021-07-15T01:05:38 < Steffanx> No local sores? 2021-07-15T01:05:42 < mawk> then you bleed onto the paper that has antibodies on it that will coagulate or not your blood to tell you which group you have 2021-07-15T01:05:44 < mawk> no 2021-07-15T01:05:47 < mawk> it comes from the USA 2021-07-15T01:05:51 < mawk> but it came in 2 days for me 2021-07-15T01:06:01 < mawk> I have a second one I didn't use, I can send it to you if you want 2021-07-15T01:06:05 < mawk> it's still sealed in the sterile envelope 2021-07-15T01:06:18 < mawk> if you give me your address 2021-07-15T01:07:47 < Steffanx> Nah you will come and steal my fentanyl 2021-07-15T01:08:01 < mawk> lol 2021-07-15T01:08:03 < mawk> no 2021-07-15T01:08:08 < mawk> it's probably expired anyway 2021-07-15T01:08:12 < mawk> give me a PO box address if you're afraid 2021-07-15T01:08:16 < mawk> anyway you have my address 2021-07-15T01:08:20 < mawk> if i steal your fentanyl you can come take it back 2021-07-15T01:08:55 < mawk> I'll send you a bit of distilled water with it if you don't have it also, they say to use tap water but people in the reviews say they've been having bad results 2021-07-15T01:10:38 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-117-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T01:11:14 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T01:13:04 < Steffanx> You probably already have it. It was probably on the package 2021-07-15T01:27:10 < BrainDamage> wait, you have fentanyl? 2021-07-15T01:32:28 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-15T01:48:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-15T02:03:18 < mawk> BrainDamage: it's common when you have cancer 2021-07-15T02:03:28 < mawk> ah yes Steffanx 2021-07-15T02:03:33 < mawk> but I'm not a stalker so I didn't save it 2021-07-15T02:04:11 < BrainDamage> I was wondering if he had an elephant to anestethize 2021-07-15T02:04:19 < BrainDamage> but I guess that's not far off 2021-07-15T02:09:28 < mawk> I tried fentanyl before 2021-07-15T02:09:30 < mawk> it's not that good 2021-07-15T02:09:36 < mawk> just makes you sleepy, but unable to really sleep 2021-07-15T02:09:45 < karlp> mawk: so... are you _normally_ a+, but weren't with this kit? 2021-07-15T02:09:46 < mawk> you're there lying having semi-dreams and frustrated to not be able to really sleep 2021-07-15T02:09:56 < mawk> no karlp , I never knew my blood group 2021-07-15T02:10:03 < mawk> not even my mother knew 2021-07-15T02:10:07 < mawk> so I bought this kit, and the kit said A+ 2021-07-15T02:10:10 * karlp is a+ too, iirc. 2021-07-15T02:10:18 < mawk> and the result is pretty unambiguous so I think I'll trust it 2021-07-15T02:10:19 < karlp> mum was ab+, prety rare 2021-07-15T02:10:23 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-15T02:10:30 < mawk> A+ is the second most common apparently 2021-07-15T02:10:30 < karlp> havnet given blood for years though 2021-07-15T02:10:41 < mawk> I don't think they would let me give blood 2021-07-15T02:10:45 < karlp> anothe rthing I need to get back too... 2021-07-15T02:10:50 < mawk> things like drugs or gay sex are forbidden 2021-07-15T02:11:05 < karlp> depending on country, either permaban, or very long term band 2021-07-15T02:11:21 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-15T02:11:25 < karlp> while, eastern european prostitutes unprotected is like, "nah, 3 months is fine" 2021-07-15T02:11:27 < mawk> in france up until recently homosexuals were banned for life 2021-07-15T02:11:28 < karlp> fascists... 2021-07-15T02:11:33 < mawk> lol 2021-07-15T02:11:44 < karlp> yeah, we only recently opened up a window for gay men, 2021-07-15T02:11:49 < karlp> was such bullshit 2021-07-15T02:12:06 < mawk> it made sense in 1990 when AIDS was new and we didn't have proper procedures to remove HIV from blood 2021-07-15T02:12:10 < mawk> but now we can 2021-07-15T02:12:21 < mawk> we could even get blood from HIV+ individuals and cook it the right way 2021-07-15T02:12:52 < karlp> pretty sure they don't bother, it's just screened and yea/nei 2021-07-15T02:13:08 < mawk> well at the time of AIDS that's when they did this cooking thing 2021-07-15T02:13:18 < mawk> I think they couldn't screen yet for AIDS, and they had massively contaminated stashes of blood 2021-07-15T02:13:20 < karlp> I seem to recall it actually being even thinner, thye _didn't_ scan it all, just initial donations, and then trusted interviews... 2021-07-15T02:13:22 < mawk> so they had to make it safe 2021-07-15T02:13:35 < mawk> that sounds dangerous 2021-07-15T02:13:42 < karlp> seems implausible nowadays yes. 2021-07-15T02:13:59 < karlp> still, gay life bans persisted for farrrrr longer than made any real sense. 2021-07-15T02:14:17 < mawk> yeah 2021-07-15T02:16:34 < mawk> for the test it was quite hard to draw enough blood from a single prick, maybe that's why they give two lancets 2021-07-15T02:17:03 < mawk> but by constantly massaging away from the heart to the tip of the finger I was able to make 4 nicely sized drops of blood, as well as a huge mess everywhere 2021-07-15T02:17:51 < mawk> the test looks like this: https://serveur.io/Screenshot_20210715011730692.png 2021-07-15T02:19:35 < mawk> anti-A and anti-rhesus D match, so A+ 2021-07-15T02:21:16 < kakium69> china had little oopsie with blood donations and hiv in 90s 2021-07-15T02:21:31 < mawk> france too 2021-07-15T02:21:47 < mawk> it was a major scandal as health authorities knew and did nothing because blood makes good money 2021-07-15T02:21:53 < mawk> they willingly let hemophiliac get AIDS 2021-07-15T02:22:10 < mawk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infected_blood_scandal_(France) 2021-07-15T02:22:58 < mawk> >France's infected blood scandal began in April 1991 when doctor and journalist Anne-Marie Casteret published an article in the weekly magazine the L'Événement du jeudi proving that the Centre National de Transfusion Sanguine knowingly distributed blood products contaminated with HIV to haemophiliacs in 1984 and 1985, causing a multi-national outbreak of HIV and hepatitis C. In France 4700 people were contaminated, over 300 died. 2021-07-15T02:23:17 < mawk> they knew about the heating process that destroys HIV and did nothing because they wanted to develop their own national french patriotic process instead or something 2021-07-15T02:23:20 < mawk> and that killed people 2021-07-15T02:23:39 < kakium69> knowingly wtf 2021-07-15T02:25:01 < kakium69> in china they separated plasma and returned the blood without plasma to donor 2021-07-15T02:25:41 < mawk> why 2021-07-15T02:25:49 < mawk> for removing hiv? 2021-07-15T02:25:58 < kakium69> idk 2021-07-15T02:26:07 < mawk> it's common to separate blood products 2021-07-15T02:26:16 < mawk> hemophiliacs need only one specific blood factor 2021-07-15T02:26:45 < mawk> injured people need only red blood cells that you rehydrate with serum 2021-07-15T02:26:46 < mawk> and so on 2021-07-15T02:27:12 < mawk> or lance armstrong when he needs to climb the Mont Ventoûx at the speed of a moped 2021-07-15T02:27:14 < kakium69> is it normal to get plasma out and return the rest to donor? 2021-07-15T02:27:25 < mawk> I don't think it's normal to return anything to the donor 2021-07-15T02:27:37 < mawk> but maybe china has a culinary tradition of making human blood sausage, I don't know 2021-07-15T02:28:15 < kakium69> aha 2021-07-15T02:28:34 < kakium69> if you put stuff back to donor.. he/she can donate more often 2021-07-15T02:28:41 < kakium69> = more 2021-07-15T02:28:44 < mawk> ah yeah maybe 2021-07-15T02:29:13 < sauce> isnt that a totally standard process for plasma donation? 2021-07-15T02:29:41 < kakium69> there was one problem though.. donors got their blood back from a collective blood container 2021-07-15T02:29:48 < sauce> lol 2021-07-15T02:29:57 < mawk> lol 2021-07-15T02:30:16 < mawk> maybe in countries that have high stock on other blood products sauce 2021-07-15T02:30:25 < mawk> but I suppose if your stock is chronically low you'd just take everything 2021-07-15T02:32:27 < kakium69> maybe in 90s western style of medicine was still a new thing there 2021-07-15T02:32:43 < mawk> well even today 2021-07-15T02:32:54 < mawk> the CCP propaganda is still big on "traditional chinese medicine works" 2021-07-15T02:33:09 < mawk> and "tradition chinese martial art is borderline magic" 2021-07-15T02:33:12 < kakium69> but is it though? 2021-07-15T02:33:18 < kakium69> after 2019 2021-07-15T02:33:19 < mawk> does it work? no 2021-07-15T02:33:26 < mawk> after 2019? yes 2021-07-15T02:33:49 < mawk> the CCP propaganda office known as chinese ambassy in france spent days tweeting about how chinese traditional medicine can cure the virus 2021-07-15T02:35:27 < kakium69> I remember they had that phase 2021-07-15T02:37:54 < kakium69> but I have hard time beliving it's about anything more than profits and to control dialect 2021-07-15T02:38:37 < GenTooMan> mawk, reality is they are propaganda think of them as the idiot US news reporters. 2021-07-15T02:38:48 < kakium69> hey I should donate blood 2021-07-15T02:39:05 < GenTooMan> you play rugby then? 2021-07-15T02:39:13 < kakium69> when I crash my moped my own blood is already waiting at the hospital 2021-07-15T02:39:37 < mawk> how long can you keep it at the hospital? 2021-07-15T02:39:45 < mawk> I heard doped athletes do that 2021-07-15T02:39:57 < mawk> they go up high in the mountain, they bike a lot to make more red blood cells, then draw their blood 2021-07-15T02:40:06 < mawk> and reinject it when back at sea level altitude 2021-07-15T02:40:25 < kakium69> blood doping 2021-07-15T02:40:26 < mawk> you have to not be afraid of needles to do the tour de france 2021-07-15T02:41:14 < mawk> I see GenTooMan 2021-07-15T02:41:48 < kakium69> mawk: yeah and they load litres of blood at once 2021-07-15T02:42:07 < kakium69> with big needle 2021-07-15T02:42:11 < mawk> that must hurt 2021-07-15T02:42:14 < mawk> overpressure 2021-07-15T02:42:52 < mawk> why don't they just inject red blood cells instead? 2021-07-15T02:43:01 < mawk> they don't need the other useless stuff 2021-07-15T02:43:03 < mawk> just the nice O2 2021-07-15T02:43:11 < GenTooMan> mawk sad but true, the US journalists were "shocked" when they found out that 80% of the people in the US said they were lying. 2021-07-15T02:43:23 < kakium69> maybe they do mawk 2021-07-15T02:43:52 < GenTooMan> more red blood cells might help deliver more oxygen? 2021-07-15T02:43:57 < mawk> yes 2021-07-15T02:44:06 < mawk> red blood cell is your O2 carrier 2021-07-15T02:44:57 < mawk> in the middle of hemoglobine you have a molecule called heme that can carry O2 molecules in his suitcase 2021-07-15T02:45:34 < GenTooMan> so they are basically doing that to give themselves an edge in racing .. kind of questionable. 2021-07-15T02:45:41 < mawk> it's actually quite interesting how many function of the human body are centered around the fact O2 is so reactive so must be handled with care when carrying it to the organs 2021-07-15T02:46:00 < mawk> the whole fact we shit is because of have to get rid of the toxic components of red blood cells that help to carry O2 2021-07-15T02:46:10 < mawk> shit is brown because it's a mush of expired red blood cells 2021-07-15T02:46:13 < mawk> it's like dark red 2021-07-15T02:47:23 < kakium69> interesting new information 2021-07-15T02:47:36 < GenTooMan> that and excess matter that couldn't be digested like plant fibre. 2021-07-15T02:47:49 < mawk> the excess matter could be vomited or something 2021-07-15T02:47:59 < mawk> if we didn't have to excrete red blood cells our bodies would be quite different I think 2021-07-15T02:54:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-15T02:54:28 < GenTooMan> well red blood cells are uncharacteristic of typical cells in ones body so exception. That would also explain the odour of flatus because of protein break down adding probably mercaptans to make things pleasant. 2021-07-15T02:55:13 < kakium69> why doesnt body recycle blood cells? 2021-07-15T02:55:30 < kakium69> it's not "profitable" but why 2021-07-15T02:55:36 < mawk> it's toxic kakium69 2021-07-15T02:55:41 < mawk> the body wants to get rid of it asap 2021-07-15T02:55:48 < kakium69> blood cells? 2021-07-15T02:56:28 < kakium69> you mean oxygen becomes uncontained when cell fails? 2021-07-15T02:56:53 < GenTooMan> it's what's used to transport the oxygen that needs contained I suspect. 2021-07-15T02:57:00 < mawk> yes 2021-07-15T02:57:16 < mawk> in red blood cells you have a molecule called heme that contains a kind of oxydized iron 2021-07-15T02:57:19 < mawk> and that's the toxic thing 2021-07-15T02:57:42 < mawk> I think when the hemoglobin dies you want to get rid of the iron quick 2021-07-15T02:58:28 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-15T02:58:37 < GenTooMan> I believe the body has a tendency to get cancer with too much iron in it. I can't remember which it is. 2021-07-15T02:59:23 < mawk> ah and I didn't know but the yellow of pee is also because of a degradation product of heme 2021-07-15T02:59:25 < mawk> cool 2021-07-15T02:59:42 < mawk> GenTooMan: >There is an association between high intake of heme iron sourced from meat and increased risk of colon cancer.[46] The heme content of red meat is 10 times higher than that of white meat such as chicken.[47] A 2019 review found that heme iron intake is associated with increased breast cancer risk.[48] 2021-07-15T02:59:44 < mawk> this? 2021-07-15T03:01:13 < mawk> GenTooMan: https://serveur.io/Screenshot_20210715011730692.png 2021-07-15T03:01:48 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T03:02:22 < kakium69> ah but if you eat it then you get the iron recycled? 2021-07-15T03:02:36 < mawk> eat what kakium69 ? 2021-07-15T03:02:38 < mawk> the shit? 2021-07-15T03:02:44 < mawk> there are different forms of iron 2021-07-15T03:02:53 < mawk> the iron in 2+ oxydation state specifically is toxic 2021-07-15T03:02:58 < mawk> the one from food is probably in a different oxydation state 2021-07-15T03:03:06 < kakium69> even as eaten? 2021-07-15T03:03:17 < mawk> I guess 2021-07-15T03:03:21 < GenTooMan> They found truck drivers (who eat a lot of red meat because of take out) tend to have such issues. Also apricots have a lot of iron the article said. 2021-07-15T03:03:24 < mawk> I'm not sure what stomach acid would do to iron 2021-07-15T03:03:44 < GenTooMan> iron chloride? 2021-07-15T03:04:26 < kakium69> mawk: make it into rust 2021-07-15T03:04:39 < GenTooMan> or Ferric Chloride is another term, it's toxic. 2021-07-15T03:04:54 < BrainDamage> you can etch pcb with it 2021-07-15T03:05:00 < mawk> ferrous GenTooMan 2021-07-15T03:05:01 < mawk> not ferric 2021-07-15T03:05:02 < mawk> iirc 2021-07-15T03:05:13 < kakium69> i'm just thinking 2021-07-15T03:05:14 < mawk> yes ferrous 2021-07-15T03:05:15 < GenTooMan> mawk probably. :D at least i didn't say furry LOL 2021-07-15T03:05:19 < mawk> lol 2021-07-15T03:05:21 < kakium69> at tough spot 2021-07-15T03:05:28 < kakium69> do I eat my own shit or not 2021-07-15T03:05:28 < BrainDamage> also, fwiw, oxygen is toxic in high concentrations 2021-07-15T03:05:45 < BrainDamage> you can breathe pur oxygen at atmospheric pressure 2021-07-15T03:06:01 < GenTooMan> so is water be cautious of your DMHMO intake. 2021-07-15T03:06:03 < BrainDamage> but if you dive even just 5m, it'll start corroding your body 2021-07-15T03:06:23 < BrainDamage> the ld50 dose of water is quite high 2021-07-15T03:09:01 < GenTooMan> yes but it does happen every year someone dies of too much water. 2021-07-15T03:09:43 < BrainDamage> you can die of water poisoning too btw 2021-07-15T03:10:04 < BrainDamage> you don't have to breathe it to die, you can die swallowing it 2021-07-15T03:11:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T03:12:04 < englishman> it seems strange to me that someone wouldn't know their blood type. it just seems like something that you'd know. i don't know at which exact age i learned my blood type. i feel it's just something you always know, that you go home from the hospital with. 2021-07-15T03:12:32 < englishman> also told to you every time you donate blood. 2021-07-15T03:14:42 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T03:14:45 < mawk> I never donated blood englishman 2021-07-15T03:14:52 < mawk> and the only times I've been in the hospital was for drug overdoses 2021-07-15T03:14:55 < mawk> or as a baby 2021-07-15T03:15:05 < mawk> the doctors never wrote down the blood type on my health carnet 2021-07-15T03:15:18 < mawk> but now I know it, A+ 2021-07-15T03:16:57 < BrainDamage> I don't know my blood type 2021-07-15T03:17:27 < mawk> do you want my kit BrainDamage ? 2021-07-15T03:17:31 < mawk> if Steffanx doesn't want it 2021-07-15T03:17:46 < BrainDamage> no, it's written on my birth certificate 2021-07-15T03:17:52 < BrainDamage> I just never had too look 2021-07-15T03:17:57 < mawk> lol 2021-07-15T03:18:09 < mawk> I don't know where is my birth certificate 2021-07-15T03:18:13 < mawk> I can always ask the city hall I guess 2021-07-15T03:18:40 < BrainDamage> I know it's not the same as my mother's tho 2021-07-15T03:18:56 < BrainDamage> I was born with severe jaundice because her antibodies attacked my blood 2021-07-15T03:19:27 < BrainDamage> my sister before me already had a milder form, and by my time, my mother's immune system got training 2021-07-15T03:19:51 < GenTooMan> o- here though to be honest I've never heard of anyone having o+ 2021-07-15T03:20:23 < BrainDamage> rejoyce, you can get plasma by anyone 2021-07-15T03:20:43 < BrainDamage> AB instead can only get plasma by AB 2021-07-15T03:21:06 < BrainDamage> for plasma it goes the opposite of red blood cells 2021-07-15T03:21:20 < mawk> now they immunize the mother I think BrainDamage 2021-07-15T03:21:22 < mawk> for this condition 2021-07-15T03:23:17 < zyp> GenTooMan, I've got o+ 2021-07-15T03:24:19 < zyp> initially found out when we ran tests on ourselves in a science lab in high school, then confirmed when I later became a blood donor 2021-07-15T03:24:56 < mawk> you mixed your blood with that of your mates? 2021-07-15T03:25:04 < mawk> and tries when it coagulates or not 2021-07-15T03:25:16 < zyp> mixed with antibody serums 2021-07-15T03:25:24 < mawk> a 2021-07-15T03:26:07 < zyp> but yeah, only tested ABO there, not RhD 2021-07-15T03:27:06 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-15T03:27:16 < zyp> I'm also not sure what type my kid is, I don't think that's been tested and I don't expect it will any time soon either 2021-07-15T03:28:24 < zyp> but my wife also knows her type, so that narrows it down to one out of two 2021-07-15T03:29:16 < mawk> use my kit 2021-07-15T03:29:45 < zyp> *your* kit? 2021-07-15T03:29:53 < mawk> the kit in my possession 2021-07-15T03:30:03 < BrainDamage> just slightly used 2021-07-15T03:30:05 < mawk> lol 2021-07-15T03:30:12 < mawk> no it's still in the sterile envelope 2021-07-15T03:30:13 < mawk> I had two 2021-07-15T03:33:40 < BrainDamage> maybe he could send you his blood instead, and device a chilled transportation mechanism 2021-07-15T03:33:48 < BrainDamage> i feel like laurenceb would approve this 2021-07-15T03:33:59 < BrainDamage> maybe custom delivered with a catapult 2021-07-15T03:34:34 < englishman> how old and coagulated can the blood be 2021-07-15T03:34:35 < zyp> haha 2021-07-15T03:38:06 < zyp> mawk, not sure it'd be worth the shipping cost vs just buying one locally 2021-07-15T03:38:22 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-15T03:38:28 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T03:38:41 < zyp> but if you feel like getting rid of it, feel free to send it :p 2021-07-15T03:38:56 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-15T03:39:27 < mawk> zyp: the only place I could buy it was USA 2021-07-15T03:39:38 < mawk> I don't think you'd find it locally 2021-07-15T03:40:28 < zyp> they're available from norwegian online pharmacies at least 2021-07-15T03:40:31 < zyp> e.g. https://www.med24.no/hjemmetest/blodtypetest/blodtype-test-eldoncard 2021-07-15T03:40:32 < mawk> would the child support being stinged in the finger to get a few drops of blood? 2021-07-15T03:40:39 < mawk> ah right 2021-07-15T03:40:42 < mawk> .no is more advanced than .nl 2021-07-15T03:41:01 < mawk> also is the child older than 1 years 2021-07-15T03:41:05 < mawk> otherwise it doesn't work 2021-07-15T03:46:57 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-117-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-15T04:04:17 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::217b] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-15T04:09:05 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T04:47:55 < jadew> who can guess what I have here and can tell why it is so cool? http://188.25.73.249/stuff/20210715_043157_.jpg 2021-07-15T04:49:59 < jadew> damn it, it's super late again 2021-07-15T05:02:22 < octorian> Obviously some RF thing in a machined metal box, but beyond that I haven't a clue. 2021-07-15T05:04:06 < jadew> it's a start :) 2021-07-15T05:14:23 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T05:19:22 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@219.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-15T05:59:30 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-15T05:59:30 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T06:01:08 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-15T06:34:29 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T08:24:09 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-15T08:40:58 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T09:18:39 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-15T09:27:49 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T09:30:22 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-15T09:55:43 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-15T10:02:07 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-15T11:22:58 -!- ahmster [~hamster@reverse-80.fdn.fr] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T11:44:20 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T11:44:25 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T13:18:40 -!- funky [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T13:20:57 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by funky))] 2021-07-15T13:21:03 -!- funky is now known as Streaker 2021-07-15T13:28:35 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T13:49:39 < jadew> https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-13-china-suicide-military-helmets-self-destruct-button.html 2021-07-15T13:51:05 < jadew> you find the encryption key, you win the war 2021-07-15T13:52:40 < jadew> on the other hand, they could sell them to their enemies, so not only would they be low quality, but they would also be explosive 2021-07-15T13:54:11 < jadew> when wearing chinese tactical gear, you have to turn off your phone to avoid interference, otherwise your helmet could go off 2021-07-15T13:57:36 < jadew> core rules for when in combat: "don't fall with your helmet on!" 2021-07-15T14:00:31 < jadew> the label probably reads: "Protect from sunlight. Do not pierce or burn." 2021-07-15T14:04:06 < jadew> when they hand you the helmet, they ask you if you have a hat for the helmet, or if you would prefer the standard issue sombrero 2021-07-15T14:05:56 < jadew> ok, I think I'm out of explosive hat jokes 2021-07-15T14:15:34 < ventyl> how's that new helmet? bombastic! 2021-07-15T14:17:06 < jadew> sounds like fake news tho, I don't think anyone would do that 2021-07-15T14:17:36 < jadew> for one, there are easier ways to achieve that - except the remote thing 2021-07-15T14:23:42 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-15T14:35:41 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-15T15:00:12 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T15:04:35 -!- con3 [~con3@41.71.18.105] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T15:06:08 < con3> Anyone willing to lend a helping hand with fdcan? I cant seem to get this thing to not drop messages. I have a G4 connected to an F446, The F4 seems to be working flawlessly, however the G4 seems to overrun and then the message lost bit is set 2021-07-15T15:06:29 < con3> F4 is using can 2.0B, the G4 is also setup in classic mode 2021-07-15T15:06:46 < jpa-> is your code reading out the messages fast enough? 2021-07-15T15:08:22 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T15:08:31 < ventyl> and which HAL? 2021-07-15T15:09:46 < con3> jpa-: I assume so, at this point, I've removed everything from the interrupt. All it's doing is grabbing a message out of the fifp 2021-07-15T15:09:50 < con3> *fifo 2021-07-15T15:12:08 < jpa-> con3: put a GPIO toggle at start and end of the interrupt, and use a logic analyzer to see when the message arrives, how long the reading takes and when the next message arrives 2021-07-15T15:12:38 < ventyl> con3: if by any chance you try to use libopencm3, then there was a nasty bug which caused exactly what you observe. it was fixed recently 2021-07-15T15:12:42 < con3> will do jpa- , thank you 2021-07-15T15:12:56 < con3> ventyl: using good 'ol stm32 hal 2021-07-15T15:13:16 < ventyl> oh, I know almost nothing about it 2021-07-15T15:13:41 < ventyl> are there any other interrupts, which could potentially be blocking FDCAN? 2021-07-15T15:15:40 < con3> Not that I can see, the can interrupt has the highest priority after systick and then there's a uart running in DMA mode 2021-07-15T15:26:42 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-15T15:31:17 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-15T15:31:26 -!- rkta_ [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T15:31:35 -!- rkta_ is now known as rkta 2021-07-15T15:33:33 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T15:42:38 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-15T15:50:22 < mawk> jadew: your site is suspicious 2021-07-15T15:50:23 < mawk> ALERT: Doctor says mRNA vaccines “will kill most people” through heart failure, 62% of vaccinated people already show microscopic blood clots - NaturalNews.com 2021-07-15T15:50:29 < mawk> SURVEY: People vaccinated for covid become more “magnetic” over time… the vaccine appears to be assembling magnetic nanoparticles in the blood - NaturalNews.com 2021-07-15T15:50:43 < mawk> also there's combination of american flag and christian cross in the header, that gives it away 2021-07-15T15:51:27 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T15:52:33 < englishman> is he saying that of the people that die of the vaccine, most of them will be due to heart failure 2021-07-15T15:52:35 < englishman> because that makes sense 2021-07-15T15:54:47 < jpa-> nah, it is all just nonsense 2021-07-15T15:55:21 < jpa-> you could rearrange the words to make it less nonsense, but that is just because the headline happens to be a local minimum in the sensespace 2021-07-15T16:03:50 < BrainDamage> i predict that in 100 years all people in this channel's heart will have stopped 2021-07-15T16:04:00 < BrainDamage> stm32 is toxic like that 2021-07-15T16:14:05 < englishman> well now if you're right, it'll be your fault 2021-07-15T16:21:50 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-15T16:47:45 < Steffanx> Hah, you made it con3 ;) 2021-07-15T16:51:18 < Steffanx> Peter died, mawk. Are you sad now? 2021-07-15T16:51:25 < mawk> yes Steffanx 2021-07-15T16:51:30 < mawk> I just heard it 2021-07-15T17:22:05 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-15T17:28:40 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T17:31:11 < PaulFertser> Peter Mamonov? :( 2021-07-15T17:36:48 < PaulFertser> He was explicit about refusing to vaccinate and convinced his wife not to vaccinate too. 2021-07-15T17:45:04 < ventyl> did he die of accidental poisoning then? 2021-07-15T17:46:34 < PaulFertser> ventyl: no, COVID-19, pneumonia, coma. 2021-07-15T17:49:17 < PaulFertser> I hope he didn't regret the decision. 2021-07-15T17:50:09 < Streaker> I saw a news article that quoted an American nurse saying that Covid-19 deniers were refusing to believe that they had Covid right up to the moment they died. 2021-07-15T17:51:37 < ventyl> i've seen several reports by doctors saying that 2021-07-15T17:52:31 < ventyl> often people assume, that it is just a flu and it will be ok, because covid doesn't exist. and if it isn't they accuse hospital of poisoning them or giving them covid... which doesn't exist 2021-07-15T17:57:47 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-15T18:00:18 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T18:00:18 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-15T18:01:56 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-15T18:48:28 < Steffanx> PaulFertser: No, some Dutch reported/investigator/tv guy, got shot in the middle of amsterdam 2021-07-15T18:48:37 < Steffanx> Reporter* 2021-07-15T18:49:01 < Steffanx> But this guy refused protection as well 😅 2021-07-15T18:49:16 < tct> he just died, right? 2021-07-15T18:49:19 < Steffanx> Yeah 2021-07-15T18:49:32 < tct> I've been told that he was shot in the head 2021-07-15T18:49:39 < tct> how did he stay alive for so long? 2021-07-15T18:51:08 < Steffanx> "Alive" 2021-07-15T18:53:46 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T18:54:11 < jadew> my grandmother refused to believe she had covid while she was sick with it 2021-07-15T18:54:34 < jpa-> tct: it is not *that* rare to survive a shot in the head 2021-07-15T18:54:39 < jadew> it was awful for me, because she was under the impression that I keep her isolated for no reason 2021-07-15T18:54:42 < jpa-> some 5-10% 2021-07-15T18:55:41 < Xogium> I'm guessing if the bullet avoids hitting any vital part of the brain, or if it somehow avoids the whole brain entirely, then you could survive a shot 2021-07-15T18:56:17 < jadew> which part of the brain is not vital? :) 2021-07-15T18:56:21 < specing> you can easily survive if it goes through your mouth, you'll just have to eat by straw till the rest of your life 2021-07-15T18:56:44 < Xogium> visual cortex ? 2021-07-15T18:56:54 < Xogium> I mean, sure you can get blind but 2021-07-15T18:56:57 < jpa-> depends on type of bullet also, the shock wave and bleeding are apparently a bigger problem than the damage to the parts of brain directly in line with the bullet 2021-07-15T18:57:23 < jpa-> after all, people can have big parts of brain removed surgically with quite good survival 2021-07-15T18:57:50 < jadew> I feel icky thinking about this 2021-07-15T18:58:20 < jadew> can you make two people from one brain? 2021-07-15T18:58:29 < jpa-> yes 2021-07-15T18:58:36 < jadew> I've heard that too 2021-07-15T18:58:37 < Xogium> sure, why not 2021-07-15T18:58:46 < jpa-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-brain 2021-07-15T18:59:58 < Xogium> heh this isn't some of the craziest stuff around ;) there's one disease, I can't remember the name, where people basically think they are dead. Like, decaying dead 2021-07-15T19:00:17 < Xogium> and so they don't eat, don't drink, etc, because they think they don't need to, and end up actual dead 2021-07-15T19:01:22 < Xogium> the brain can be such a weird thing 2021-07-15T19:02:36 < jadew> maybe we can make it so brain transplants are mandatory for people without one 2021-07-15T19:03:55 < jadew> I think there was a successful head transplant done on monkeys, no? 2021-07-15T19:05:56 < jadew> would make an even bigger mess of the gender issue 2021-07-15T19:06:28 < jpa-> IIRC it was "successful" only in that the monkey didn't immediately die 2021-07-15T19:08:36 < jadew> looks successful to me: https://images.newscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/fig.1b.jpg?width=800 2021-07-15T19:09:16 < jpa-> i would consider it successful only if the monkey was able to control the body afterwards :) 2021-07-15T19:09:20 < jpa-> (and sense) 2021-07-15T19:21:18 < bitmask> anyone play any electric string instruments? 2021-07-15T19:21:37 < bitmask> are there filters you can make or buy that soften the harshness? 2021-07-15T19:22:58 < BrainDamage> compressor with a fast attack 2021-07-15T19:23:19 < sauce> https://www.amazon.ca/ammoon-Guitar-Equalizer-Effect-7-Band/dp/B075FS7PH4/ 2021-07-15T19:24:14 < bitmask> interesting 2021-07-15T19:26:17 < bitmask> gonna try 3d printing a cello for the gf 2021-07-15T19:26:21 -!- con3 [~con3@41.71.18.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-15T19:26:38 < t4nk_freenode> yeah, that'll work 2021-07-15T19:26:44 < bitmask> heh 2021-07-15T19:26:49 < sauce> sounds like a 10k hour project to me 2021-07-15T19:27:05 < sauce> at least making one that doesn't suck 2021-07-15T19:27:17 < bitmask> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1703629 2021-07-15T19:28:35 < t4nk_freenode> just buy the real thing 2021-07-15T19:29:01 < bitmask> do you know how much cellos cost 2021-07-15T19:29:19 < bitmask> this is a good idea for a starter cello imo 2021-07-15T19:29:29 < bitmask> see if she even likes it 2021-07-15T19:29:34 < t4nk_freenode> not really, but I guess it's the reason 2021-07-15T19:30:01 < t4nk_freenode> she can't decide if she likes a cello, based upon that.. because it's a pile of rubbish ;) 2021-07-15T19:30:57 < t4nk_freenode> I played cello once btw... wasn't a great success. 2021-07-15T19:31:53 < bitmask> whatever man, i think its a good step rather than spending thousands of dollars at first 2021-07-15T19:32:02 < sauce> (rent one) 2021-07-15T19:32:04 < bitmask> although shit, looking on ebay it looks like theres cheaper used ones 2021-07-15T19:32:10 < lemmi> thousands of dollars? 2021-07-15T19:32:21 < bitmask> didnt realize, i thought a thousand was gonna be the minimum 2021-07-15T19:32:25 < lemmi> an entry cello shouldn't be more than 200-300 2021-07-15T19:32:26 < bitmask> that changes things 2021-07-15T19:32:32 < Steffanx> 😆 2021-07-15T19:34:17 < bitmask> well i guess that saves me some time :P 2021-07-15T19:34:28 < t4nk_freenode> 'whatever man' 2021-07-15T19:35:21 < Steffanx> Such optimism today, t4nk_freenode 2021-07-15T19:35:26 < bitmask> well you didnt tell me the price, its your fault, my thoughts were valid when i misknew the price :P 2021-07-15T19:35:26 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::801c] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T19:35:34 < t4nk_freenode> yes, I've been out in the rain, Steffanx ;) 2021-07-15T19:35:48 < t4nk_freenode> bought myself a bigger umbrella underway 2021-07-15T19:35:50 < t4nk_freenode> *sigh* 2021-07-15T19:36:09 < Steffanx> 1k+? 2021-07-15T19:36:42 < t4nk_freenode> I'm contemplating 3d printing one 2021-07-15T19:36:49 < bitmask> haha asshole 2021-07-15T19:36:52 < t4nk_freenode> lol 2021-07-15T19:37:20 < sauce> a cello rental at L&M is $40 a month 2021-07-15T19:37:51 < bitmask> didnt know you could rent em like that 2021-07-15T19:41:08 < t4nk_freenode> Bach's cello suites are nice 2021-07-15T19:44:25 < t4nk_freenode> too bad that in his time... there were probably only 3 cello's in the world that had strings on them 2021-07-15T20:05:59 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T20:09:31 < bitmask> fuck, i thought my airbrush had a trigger limiter but it doesnt, lame 2021-07-15T20:12:41 < jpa-> now it is fully triggered and posting woke stuff on twitter? 2021-07-15T20:13:20 < bitmask> you got it 2021-07-15T20:15:51 < PaulFertser> That 3d-printed cello has one advantage over renting one if you live in a multi-apartment house. Real violin or cello is really loud. 2021-07-15T20:19:41 < bitmask> that and space, i mentioned the price of a real cello and she said the main thing she liked was that it takes up less space 2021-07-15T20:20:52 < bitmask> we live in a single family home with her family, so im not sure if her family would mind the noise or not, but we are limited to our room and the attic for storage/playing area 2021-07-15T20:26:56 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-15T20:32:36 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T20:33:09 < kakium69> "After years of studying it, I believe that cryptocurrency is an inherently right-wing, hyper-capitalistic technology built primarily to amplify the wealth of its proponents through a combination of tax avoidance, diminished regulatory oversight and artificially enforced scarcity." 2021-07-15T20:34:38 < kakium69> hyper-capitalistic! 2021-07-15T21:00:20 < PaulFertser> The features mentioned seem to be all true for bitcoin and similar currencies. 2021-07-15T21:10:23 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-15T21:22:07 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T21:26:31 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@028-053-210-188.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-15T21:31:45 < jadew> Steffanx, PaulFertser, who was Peter Mamonov? 2021-07-15T21:31:48 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::801c] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-07-15T21:32:24 < PaulFertser> jadew: famous soviet/russian rock musician and actor. 2021-07-15T21:32:43 < jadew> why was he important to you guys? 2021-07-15T21:32:54 < Steffanx> Idk who peter mamonov is. 2021-07-15T21:33:07 < jadew> then which Peter died? 2021-07-15T21:33:43 < Steffanx> Some Dutch peter you never heard of either 2021-07-15T21:33:53 < jadew> ah, k 2021-07-15T21:33:57 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@026-151-165-046.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T22:01:13 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-15T22:08:41 -!- Steffann [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T22:09:08 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-15T22:17:11 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T22:29:37 < kakium69> dutch most inequal -world bank 2021-07-15T22:29:48 < kakium69> I would have never thought 2021-07-15T22:30:42 < kakium69> I thought everybody very equal and wealthy and ride bicycles everywhere 2021-07-15T22:31:08 < kakium69> and high salaries for everyone 2021-07-15T22:34:10 < kakium69> Steffann 2021-07-15T22:34:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T22:35:23 < kakium69> it could be explained by having so many megacorporations 2021-07-15T22:36:28 < kakium69> and families that have collected billions through generations 2021-07-15T22:40:08 < Steffann> im not convinced about dutchland with the most inequality. 2021-07-15T22:40:25 < Steffann> yankeeland.. south-american countries... 2021-07-15T22:40:25 < kakium69> nobody is 2021-07-15T22:41:40 < kakium69> south-africa 2021-07-15T22:41:45 < kakium69> highest 2021-07-15T22:41:53 < kakium69> anyway.. fake news 2021-07-15T22:43:46 < kakium69> south-africa is the highest by far 2021-07-15T22:44:40 < kakium69> netherlands seems to be similar to nordics 2021-07-15T22:47:00 < PaulFertser> kakium69: what about Sweden specifically? 2021-07-15T22:47:34 < kakium69> it's basically same with norway, finland, denmark 2021-07-15T22:47:49 < kakium69> 27-29 in gini index 2021-07-15T22:48:03 < PaulFertser> Hm, I thought they have some very special very progressive taxation that makes for more equality. 2021-07-15T22:48:17 < kakium69> sure 2021-07-15T22:48:43 < kakium69> but they are rich too 2021-07-15T22:50:02 < kakium69> but one interesting statistic about sweden: most single resident households percentage 2021-07-15T22:50:38 < kakium69> or was it people percentage living in single household 2021-07-15T22:52:22 < jadew> "The English manual has 14 pages and is too little detailed for me. The Chinese manual has 44 pages, but I don't understand Chinese. 2021-07-15T22:52:24 < jadew> " 2021-07-15T22:52:28 < kakium69> 47% of households are single person households 2021-07-15T22:52:40 < kakium69> that is way more than in any other country 2021-07-15T22:52:42 -!- englishman [~englishma@chatting.party] has quit [Quit: englishman] 2021-07-15T22:52:43 < qyx> jadew: :D 2021-07-15T23:07:13 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::801c] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T23:16:14 -!- Steffann [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Quit: Whop whop] 2021-07-15T23:21:51 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T23:26:58 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::801c] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-07-15T23:31:28 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-15T23:33:25 -!- englishman [~englishma@chatting.party] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T23:36:20 -!- jadew [~rcc@188.25.73.249] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-15T23:36:20 -!- jadew [~rcc@user/rcc] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T23:36:31 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-15T23:39:15 < kakium69> anyone know what is happening in afganistan after US coalition left? 2021-07-15T23:42:47 < PaulFertser> Taliban is taking over apparently. And some of their members have already visited russia and promised they won't cross Tajikistan border (but their promises worth nothing). They're officially banned and considered terrorists in russia and yet foreign affairs minister met them :) 2021-07-15T23:43:46 < kakium69> well aren't they friends nevertheless? 2021-07-15T23:43:56 < PaulFertser> Friends to whom? 2021-07-15T23:44:34 < kakium69> taliban and russian goverment? 2021-07-15T23:45:15 < PaulFertser> I do not think they were ever friends, no. They are really dangerous as fuck and the government wants to continue ripping off russian people without any danger. 2021-07-15T23:45:46 < kakium69> I don't know but I assume in every conflict there is only 2 or maybe 3 places you can get weapons and supplies to keep fighting 2021-07-15T23:46:03 < kakium69> you get weapons from USA, Russia or China 2021-07-15T23:46:13 < specing> or all three 2021-07-15T23:46:24 < kakium69> hmm :) 2021-07-15T23:47:01 < kakium69> also japan making the bestest war machine 2021-07-15T23:47:12 < kakium69> Toyota Hilux 2021-07-15T23:47:28 < PaulFertser> Where was Al-Qaeda getting arms from? The States? What about the IS these days? 2021-07-15T23:47:39 < kakium69> true true 2021-07-15T23:47:59 < kakium69> AL-Qaeda got weapons from US 2021-07-15T23:48:10 < kakium69> when they were friends 2021-07-15T23:50:42 < PaulFertser> Looks like partisan wars in the mountains can be fought succesfully with few simple weapons. Remember when the USSR invaded Afganistan it was plenty of helis, tanks, other heavy equipment against machine guns, grenades and RPGs. 2021-07-15T23:53:26 < kakium69> afganistan bankrupted ussr 2021-07-15T23:53:53 < kakium69> why ussr went to afganistan btw? 2021-07-15T23:54:09 < kakium69> geopolitics somehow I don't remember --- Day changed Fri Jul 16 2021 2021-07-16T00:00:14 < PaulFertser> Was the last cold era proxy war I guess. 2021-07-16T00:11:54 < kakium69> what are us troops doing now? 2021-07-16T00:12:58 < PaulFertser> Fleeing? 2021-07-16T00:13:09 < kakium69> ye 2021-07-16T00:13:11 < kakium69> but 2021-07-16T00:13:38 < kakium69> after that 2021-07-16T00:13:55 < kakium69> chill a bit? 2021-07-16T00:16:18 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/x19OwuL 2021-07-16T00:20:31 < kakium69> a magic box 2021-07-16T00:20:43 < bitmask> yessir 2021-07-16T00:20:45 < kakium69> provides electricity, water and light 2021-07-16T00:20:50 < kakium69> and cold 2021-07-16T00:21:56 < bitmask> :) 2021-07-16T00:23:47 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71fLFOjruFc 2021-07-16T00:24:09 < kakium69> a finnish folk lore about a magic box 2021-07-16T00:29:37 < bitmask> is it a vagina 2021-07-16T00:31:26 < kakium69> nope 2021-07-16T01:53:44 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-16T01:58:55 < bitmask> ohhh yea 2021-07-16T01:59:08 < bitmask> cold plate gets to -27C in a 31C room 2021-07-16T01:59:38 < bitmask> i should be able to get like -38C under better conditions 2021-07-16T02:02:42 < bitmask> oh shit, its actually still slowly getting colder, -29C 2021-07-16T02:20:38 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T03:13:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T03:15:29 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-16T03:16:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-16T03:16:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T03:17:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-16T03:18:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T03:22:03 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T03:22:46 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-16T03:22:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-16T03:23:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T03:24:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-16T03:24:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T03:26:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-16T04:11:42 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-16T04:20:53 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-16T04:21:33 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T04:23:50 -!- b-rex [~b@v.dropswitch.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T04:30:20 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-16T04:35:33 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-16T04:36:02 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T04:45:14 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T04:46:49 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-16T04:47:43 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T05:00:34 -!- flatmush [~benbrewer@82-69-13-96.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-16T05:37:20 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T05:54:51 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T06:02:00 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-16T06:02:00 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T06:03:43 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-16T06:59:17 -!- flatmush [~benbrewer@82-69-13-96.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T07:56:26 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-16T08:22:57 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-16T08:55:23 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T10:08:28 < tct> human breasts 2021-07-16T10:16:10 -!- splud [~noneya.bi@user/splud] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-16T10:24:18 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-16T10:34:32 -!- splud [~noneya.bi@user/splud] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T10:53:13 -!- b-rex_ [~b@v.dropswitch.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T10:54:10 -!- b-rex [~b@v.dropswitch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-16T10:54:10 -!- b-rex_ is now known as b-rex 2021-07-16T10:54:43 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@static.127.92.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-16T10:54:54 -!- zapb__ [~zapb@static.127.92.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T11:45:10 < Steffanx> Im getting more and more scared by you guys. One collects radio active materials, another knows all about the survival rates of getting shot in the head and the other has human breasts for dinner. 2021-07-16T11:48:17 < Steffanx> Or maybe breakfast 2021-07-16T11:53:15 -!- ahmster [~hamster@reverse-80.fdn.fr] has left ##stm32 [] 2021-07-16T11:54:55 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T12:36:48 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T12:40:38 < zyp> Steffanx, and then there's you 2021-07-16T12:42:03 < Steffanx> Yeah, but thats just me 2021-07-16T12:44:49 < zyp> bad enough, if you ask me :) 2021-07-16T12:46:14 < Steffanx> I know right 2021-07-16T12:49:44 < Steffanx> Zyp is alright too? 2021-07-16T12:52:11 < zyp> sure 2021-07-16T12:52:42 < tct> Steffanx, I thought you'd knew me well enough to know that that is one of the least bizzare "things" 2021-07-16T13:05:18 < sauce> i am glad my own nefarious plans have not been revealed 2021-07-16T13:25:03 < mawk> what are they sauce ? 2021-07-16T13:26:07 < mawk> you don't eat titties on a regular basis Steffanx ??? 2021-07-16T13:27:49 < mawk> that makes you like super gay 2021-07-16T13:35:36 < mawk> classical french music https://youtu.be/DWNKOzq6dZ0 2021-07-16T14:02:14 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-16T14:04:00 -!- veverak [~veverak@ip-89-102-98-161.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T14:09:41 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-16T14:40:04 < Streaker> mawk: you're only supposed to chew on them, not swallow 2021-07-16T15:08:25 < jpa-> Steffanx: we should all travel together to a island for a vacation, with no contact to the outside world and see what happens 2021-07-16T15:10:17 < Steffanx> Awesomw 2021-07-16T15:10:19 < Steffanx> E 2021-07-16T15:10:23 < zyp> island, iceland, same difference 2021-07-16T15:12:55 < jpa-> yeah 2021-07-16T16:13:19 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@gw2.krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T16:13:26 -!- Steffann [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T16:13:27 -!- fest_ [~fest@static.170.38.201.195.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T16:13:59 -!- tct_ [~tct@8.200.173.83.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T16:13:59 -!- tct_ is now known as tectu 2021-07-16T16:14:50 -!- tectu is now known as tct_ 2021-07-16T16:18:51 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: qyx, yukam, fest, Steffanx, tct 2021-07-16T16:19:57 < jpa-> it's kind of funny how ebay lets me buy without reauth, but to see my purchase history i always have to re-enter my password 2021-07-16T16:20:25 < jpa-> i guess purchases can always be disputed, but if someone sees my shameful purchase history, there is no taking it back :) 2021-07-16T16:21:49 -!- yukam [~yukam@2a00:1370:8125:9a78:fc31:d69a:8343:a186] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T16:23:51 < zyp> makes sense :) 2021-07-16T16:24:45 < jpa-> hmm.. but actually it seems that i can see purchase history, but not clicking "View order details" triggers the login prompt 2021-07-16T16:29:10 -!- qyx_ is now known as qyx 2021-07-16T16:32:20 < englishman> with the double 5g upgrade can i go to europe? 2021-07-16T16:33:16 < englishman> looks like a negative test and 14 day quarantine is still required 2021-07-16T16:33:38 < mawk> englishman: I doubt that but maybe 2021-07-16T16:33:51 < mawk> 15 days after 2nd dose you can ask for a "vaccine passport" and go wherever in europe 2021-07-16T16:34:04 < englishman> can't you already go wherever in europe? 2021-07-16T16:34:09 < qyx> no 2021-07-16T16:34:18 < englishman> shenghen was suspended? 2021-07-16T16:34:28 < englishman> schengen 2021-07-16T16:34:50 < qyx> they are checking covid passes on borders 2021-07-16T16:34:55 < qyx> idk if all countries 2021-07-16T16:35:09 < englishman> wow eu has borders again? that's honestly news to me 2021-07-16T16:35:29 < jpa-> AFAIK you can go mostly everywhere, but there will be requirements and delays 2021-07-16T16:35:40 < jpa-> like, 14 days quarantines or mandatory tests etc. 2021-07-16T16:35:59 < qyx> yes, here you need either 2 doses of 5G or quarantine + test 2021-07-16T16:37:33 < englishman> looks like germoney is the same 2021-07-16T16:37:58 < englishman> so the borders are pretty open 2021-07-16T16:38:00 < englishman> (to canucks) 2021-07-16T16:38:04 < englishman> nice! 2021-07-16T16:38:49 < qyx> I would rather prepare for delays 2021-07-16T16:39:08 < englishman> sure, there are always long border delays in every country except switzerland 2021-07-16T16:39:52 < mawk> there's no delay going from france to netherlands 2021-07-16T16:39:57 < mawk> the cops just vaguely check your PCR test 2021-07-16T16:40:02 < mawk> they don't scan it, they don't check the date 2021-07-16T16:40:11 < mawk> just "there's a QR code on this thing? ok you can pass" 2021-07-16T16:41:11 < mawk> except if you're black then there's a delay 2021-07-16T16:41:17 < mawk> because they will search your baggage because of terrorist attacks 2021-07-16T16:41:22 < mawk> but if you're white they never check so it's fine 2021-07-16T16:44:14 < englishman> well I didn't even know there was a border between France and NL again, but now I know to expect delays 2021-07-16T16:50:47 < Steffann> I have to get one of those mandatory tests Monday for a trip to Denmark. Joy 2021-07-16T16:51:23 < qyx> I got about 15 in the past 2021-07-16T16:51:34 < Steffann> 15 tests? Joy 2021-07-16T16:53:15 < mawk> Steffann: 100€ 2021-07-16T16:53:20 < mawk> they're ripping us off 2021-07-16T16:53:22 < mawk> it's 0€ in france 2021-07-16T16:53:44 < Steffann> 0€ 2021-07-16T16:53:50 < mawk> nonsense 2021-07-16T16:53:55 < Steffann> Its free 2021-07-16T16:53:58 < mawk> the pcr test for travel cannot be the free GGD one 2021-07-16T16:54:02 < mawk> it doesn't give you travel certificate 2021-07-16T16:54:15 < mawk> you need to pay the money for a test + travel certificate 2021-07-16T16:54:18 < mawk> and it's around 100€ 2021-07-16T16:54:24 < Steffann> I went to testenvoorjereis.nl and it told me it's free in july/august 2021-07-16T16:54:32 < mawk> why 2021-07-16T16:54:34 < mawk> who's paying 2021-07-16T16:54:45 < mawk> whyyyyyyyyy 2021-07-16T16:54:49 < Steffann> You and me I guess 2021-07-16T16:54:50 < mawk> I want a refund of all my previous tests 2021-07-16T16:54:52 < mawk> right now 2021-07-16T16:55:04 < Steffann> July/august = free it says 2021-07-16T16:55:10 < Steffann> And its a non GGD test 2021-07-16T16:55:44 < mawk> they say you can also upload your GGD test result to get a reiscertificaat 2021-07-16T16:55:53 < mawk> apparently 2021-07-16T16:56:23 < Steffann> Sí 2021-07-16T16:58:19 < mawk> sí señor 2021-07-16T16:59:25 < Steffann> Yo no hablo español 2021-07-16T16:59:40 < mawk> no 2021-07-16T16:59:43 < mawk> I took german in highschool 2021-07-16T16:59:49 < mawk> while all the cool kids took spanish 2021-07-16T17:00:04 < mawk> and the weird kids took chinese or italian 2021-07-16T17:00:40 < Steffann> Here german is mandatory, french too 2021-07-16T17:00:45 < mawk> what 2021-07-16T17:00:49 < mawk> why are you not speaking french then 2021-07-16T17:00:55 < Steffann> I forgot 2021-07-16T17:01:00 < mawk> haven't you been paying attention in school??¿ 2021-07-16T17:01:05 < Steffann> Je ne parle pas français. 2021-07-16T17:01:09 < mawk> :( 2021-07-16T17:01:11 < mawk> mais si 2021-07-16T17:01:18 < mawk> avec un peu de bonne volonté 2021-07-16T17:01:35 < Steffann> Je voudrais une kilo de peche 2021-07-16T17:02:17 < Steffann> Lol no, I didnt care about french at all. Passed with minimum score 2021-07-16T17:02:48 < mawk> I passed my german final exam cheating with the complicity of my german teacher 2021-07-16T17:02:59 < mawk> she liked me so much she couldn't refrain herself from telling me the good answers during the oral exam 2021-07-16T17:03:09 < mawk> so I had a 12/20 overall 2021-07-16T17:03:16 < Steffann> It's ... 18 (or something) years ago. 2021-07-16T17:03:18 < mawk> while german was usually my nap class 2021-07-16T17:03:29 < mawk> are you 50? 2021-07-16T17:03:35 < mawk> or 40 rather 2021-07-16T17:03:36 < Steffann> Only had 3 years. 2021-07-16T17:03:42 * mawk trained mathematician 2021-07-16T17:03:43 < mawk> ah 2021-07-16T17:03:46 < Steffann> It for 3 years. 2021-07-16T17:04:10 < mawk> I had 5 years of german 2021-07-16T17:04:21 < mawk> and a bit more of englich 2021-07-16T17:04:37 < Steffann> And 1 year of dutch 2021-07-16T17:04:47 < mawk> lol 2021-07-16T17:05:50 < Steffann> Can you swim, mawk? 2021-07-16T17:05:55 < Steffann> Water is coming 2021-07-16T17:06:00 < mawk> of course 2021-07-16T17:06:04 < mawk> in zuid holland? 2021-07-16T17:06:14 < mawk> I even do scuba diving 2021-07-16T17:06:17 < Steffann> I think we lost t4nk_freenode 2021-07-16T17:06:52 < mawk> tonight I make hamburgers 2021-07-16T17:06:54 < mawk> cool 2021-07-16T17:06:59 < mawk> I think he forgot who I am 2021-07-16T17:07:05 < mawk> now he's nice to me 2021-07-16T17:07:16 < mawk> but one time he said I was racist so I wasn't happy 2021-07-16T17:07:30 < Steffann> Youre Salcedo right. 2021-07-16T17:07:35 < mawk> you can say I am racist but you need good arguments 2021-07-16T17:07:49 < mawk> like you need to catch me when I don't pretend to be a leftist, among the right people 2021-07-16T17:07:53 < Steffann> No you dont, racist. 2021-07-16T17:07:57 < mawk> :( 2021-07-16T17:08:35 < mawk> I had a half black friend I can't be racist anyway 2021-07-16T17:08:37 < mawk> it's ultimate proof 2021-07-16T17:08:50 < mawk> he's doing actuarial science now 2021-07-16T17:08:58 < mawk> you need a special kind of mental illness to do that 2021-07-16T17:26:43 -!- tct_ is now known as tct 2021-07-16T17:28:56 < t4nk_freenode> lol 2021-07-16T17:29:02 < t4nk_freenode> still here 2021-07-16T17:29:48 < t4nk_freenode> ah well... just a matter of weeks now I guess.. 2021-07-16T17:29:53 < t4nk_freenode> then we'll all be swimming 2021-07-16T17:30:00 < t4nk_freenode> nehow, 2021-07-16T17:30:13 < t4nk_freenode> yeah mawk, I'm a great man.. I never forget ;) 2021-07-16T17:30:27 < englishman> all the actuaries i know make $400k+ 2021-07-16T17:30:46 < englishman> wasn't salcedo always complaining about being poor 2021-07-16T17:30:59 < englishman> despite constantly trying to scam and thieve people and ending up in federal prison 2021-07-16T17:32:22 < mawk> that's not why he got into prison englishman 2021-07-16T17:32:26 < mawk> he didn't scam anyone 2021-07-16T17:32:34 < mawk> he tried to hack the credit card terminal of a hardware store 2021-07-16T17:32:40 < mawk> with help of a guy that was actually a FBI informant 2021-07-16T17:32:56 < mawk> and he got busted on the parking of the hardware store 2021-07-16T17:59:18 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-16T17:59:18 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T18:00:54 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-16T18:11:46 < qyx> zyp: which ecp5 did you use exactlY? 2021-07-16T18:12:32 < qyx> mouser has nothing suitable in stock 2021-07-16T18:30:22 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-16T19:02:31 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-16T19:23:59 < jpa-> mouser still has *some* ICs in stock? 2021-07-16T19:24:11 * jpa- goes buy them all 2021-07-16T19:27:01 < englishman> all the burr brown msc1210 2021-07-16T19:27:32 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-20-134.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-16T19:27:48 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-20-134.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T19:31:03 < karlp> englishman: you can come here with just a vax cert, no border test and no quarantine. 2021-07-16T19:31:31 < karlp> though as of... _today_ I think they'r eabout to start doing testing as well, and isolate while waiting for the results, which is 4-8 hours. 2021-07-16T19:32:55 < karlp> also, pretty sure there's a border around germany holland belgium now. about 10 feet of water that no-one can cross amirite? 2021-07-16T19:33:31 < qyx> :D 2021-07-16T19:34:01 < englishman> single or double dose cert? 2021-07-16T19:34:10 < qyx> double here 2021-07-16T19:34:13 < englishman> doesn't matter now I guess, everyone is eligible 2021-07-16T19:34:18 < englishman> I get my 2nd on Monday 2021-07-16T19:34:27 < qyx> wut is stm32u5 2021-07-16T19:34:52 < qyx> Down to 19 µA/MHz in active mode 2021-07-16T19:34:53 < englishman> did Holland run out of little boys with wooden shoes 2021-07-16T19:35:30 < Steffann> Uh? 2021-07-16T19:35:39 < karlp> englishman: we accept just about anything, including janssen. 2021-07-16T19:36:01 < karlp> Steffann: (keeping their dicsk in the dykes to keep the flooding at bay) 2021-07-16T19:36:08 < karlp> englishman: andno, this wasn't dyke failure... 2021-07-16T19:36:18 < karlp> u5 is months old now qyx, where you been? ;) 2021-07-16T19:37:38 < qyx> available in Q3-2021 HAHA 2021-07-16T19:37:39 < qyx> 2022 they meant 2021-07-16T19:37:58 < karlp> no, they really od mean now, they sounded in the training for it ike they were saying fuck off to other shit, and this was on a higher yield process or something 2021-07-16T19:38:02 < karlp> but who knows what reality is :) 2021-07-16T19:38:14 < jpa-> qyx: pretty low power usage for such huge RAM 2021-07-16T19:39:25 < qyx> yeah, so we can build our IoT with more pythons and javascripts 2021-07-16T19:39:42 < karlp> no, mor espace for edge ai models ;) 2021-07-16T19:40:10 < qyx> what for, detecting the amount of free butter in the fridge? 2021-07-16T19:40:18 < qyx> meh ai 2021-07-16T19:47:25 < qyx> so the max ADC I can get on stm32 is probably on H750 with 3x 16bit ADC, 3.6 MSPS each 2021-07-16T19:47:32 < qyx> but the specs are quite sad 2021-07-16T19:47:49 < karlp> one of the l4s or f3s does 5MSPS doesn't it? 2021-07-16T19:48:06 < qyx> F303 iirc 2021-07-16T19:48:13 < qyx> yeah but only 12 bit 2021-07-16T19:48:13 < jpa-> are you aiming for max speed or max bits? 2021-07-16T19:48:35 < qyx> I want to direct sample medium wave RF 2021-07-16T19:48:43 < qyx> so at least 6 MSPS 2021-07-16T19:49:01 < qyx> and ideally avoid PGA 2021-07-16T19:49:10 < jpa-> the H7 ADC is quite nice IMO, though actually achieving 16 bit at >3 MSps sampling is a bit difficult, needs fast opamp close to chip 2021-07-16T19:49:47 < qyx> but I am RF-dumb so probably didn't do the math properly 2021-07-16T19:51:03 < jpa-> what actual frequency range? 0.5 MHz to 1.6 MHz? 2021-07-16T19:52:43 < qyx> I was aiming for the full range, 0.3 - 3 MHz 2021-07-16T19:53:25 < jpa-> interlacing ADC1 & 2 would give you 7.2 MSps, or if you can make it IQ-sampling, that would work also 2021-07-16T19:53:28 < qyx> 3*3.6 MSPS in interleaved mode is sufficient 2021-07-16T19:53:43 < jpa-> can you actually interleave ADC3, though? 2021-07-16T19:53:50 < qyx> good point, idk 2021-07-16T19:55:59 < jpa-> i would probably treat it as IQ sampling anyway for the signal processing simplicity, but i guess that is pretty much equivalent to interleaving when you are using direct sampling 2021-07-16T19:56:20 < qyx> Dual ADC mode for ADC1 and 2 2021-07-16T19:56:36 < qyx> so you are right 2021-07-16T19:57:01 < qyx> isn't it the same if the samples are interleaved? 2021-07-16T19:57:29 < jpa-> yeah, i guess so 2021-07-16T19:58:02 < jpa-> my intuition says that there will be an annoying minus sign somewhere, but at least almost same :) 2021-07-16T19:58:59 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T20:02:45 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-16T20:03:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T20:10:46 -!- Kamilion [~kvirc@user/kamilion] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-16T20:11:56 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-16T20:12:28 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T20:13:22 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T20:14:41 < mawk> do you like salmiak Steffann ? 2021-07-16T20:19:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-16T20:19:50 < zyp> qyx, LFE5U-25F-6BG256C 2021-07-16T20:21:37 < qyx> jpa-: instead of direct sampling I may follow this http://ea4nz.cloudns.cc/sdr/sdr.html 2021-07-16T20:21:58 < zyp> qyx, also, suitable for what? 2021-07-16T20:22:49 < qyx> digital demod for 65 MSPS ADC 2021-07-16T20:22:54 * qyx @ play mode today 2021-07-16T20:24:08 < qyx> I am finding possibilities of polluting the RF with my first SDR attempt 2021-07-16T20:26:42 < Steffann> Sometimes mawk 2021-07-16T20:26:51 < mawk> ?????????? 2021-07-16T20:26:51 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-16T20:26:56 < mawk> it's disgusting 2021-07-16T20:27:02 < mawk> shut up xnand 2021-07-16T20:28:13 < Steffann> Lol its nkt 2021-07-16T20:28:15 < Steffann> Not 2021-07-16T20:28:36 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-16T20:28:43 -!- rkta_ [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T20:28:55 -!- rkta_ is now known as rkta 2021-07-16T20:29:10 < Steffann> You eat escargot 2021-07-16T20:29:47 < jpa-> Steffann: when you come to finland, we can go to the salmiak aisle in the supermarket 2021-07-16T20:31:07 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T20:31:09 * Laurenceb is da boss 2021-07-16T20:32:14 < mawk> snail is tasty 2021-07-16T20:32:15 < jpa-> we always knew that you were PHB material 2021-07-16T20:32:24 < mawk> salmiak is just salt 2021-07-16T20:32:28 < mawk> worse than salt 2021-07-16T20:32:51 < mawk> saltier-salt wrapped in liquorice so they can still pretend it's candy 2021-07-16T20:34:30 < zyp> better go eat some snails instead then 2021-07-16T20:34:44 < mawk> you haven't tasted it zyp 2021-07-16T20:34:50 < mawk> it's delicious 2021-07-16T20:34:53 < mawk> snail is basically tasteless 2021-07-16T20:34:58 < mawk> the taste comes from the sauce 2021-07-16T20:35:04 < sauce> ;) 2021-07-16T20:35:10 < mawk> butter and parsley 2021-07-16T20:35:26 < mawk> I eat horse too 2021-07-16T20:35:31 < mawk> it's like beef but less fat 2021-07-16T20:35:35 < mawk> horse heart is very good 2021-07-16T20:35:38 < bitmask> oh boy oh boy, i get to test my cloud chamber today! 2021-07-16T20:40:13 < Steffann> Snail with salmiak hmm 2021-07-16T20:40:13 < Steffann> Yay, jpa- 😁 2021-07-16T20:41:11 * Laurenceb is soon to be lead firmware developer 2021-07-16T20:41:20 < mawk> oh no 2021-07-16T20:41:20 < Laurenceb> this is good but also bad 2021-07-16T20:41:26 < mawk> hyperloop will crash 2021-07-16T20:41:31 < Laurenceb> because I'm responsible for failures 2021-07-16T20:41:43 < mawk> better introduce formal methods 2021-07-16T20:41:58 < Laurenceb> heh 2021-07-16T20:50:00 < bitmask> can you measure an electric field with a gauss meter? 2021-07-16T20:50:03 < bitmask> somehow 2021-07-16T20:50:14 < mawk> if it's changing maybe 2021-07-16T20:50:18 < mawk> but why would you do that 2021-07-16T20:51:05 < mawk> measure electric fields the normal way 2021-07-16T20:51:05 < bitmask> heh, just trying to find a way to make sure my field generator is working, i guess just viewing the effect should be enough 2021-07-16T20:51:05 < bitmask> mawk how 2021-07-16T20:51:45 < mawk> https://www.faulhaber.com/en/markets/precision-monitoring-measuring/electric-field-meters/ 2021-07-16T20:51:53 < mawk> that's just the first link 2021-07-16T20:51:58 < mawk> this is for high voltage 2021-07-16T20:51:59 < bitmask> oh, i didnt wanna buy anything 2021-07-16T20:52:03 < mawk> ah 2021-07-16T20:52:11 < bitmask> i'll just view the effect 2021-07-16T20:52:13 < bitmask> should be enough 2021-07-16T20:52:15 < mawk> well two wires a cm apart should have some voltage between them 2021-07-16T20:52:21 < mawk> related to the electric field in the air 2021-07-16T20:52:30 < mawk> right? 2021-07-16T20:52:43 < bitmask> i wasnt sure, like just using the probes of a multimeter? 2021-07-16T20:53:00 < mawk> if the field isn't changing the gauss meter won't show anything 2021-07-16T20:54:06 < bitmask> right 2021-07-16T20:58:42 -!- Kamilion [~kvirc@user/kamilion] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T21:08:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T21:17:26 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T21:21:04 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-16T21:23:38 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-16T21:43:13 -!- pro [~pro@user/pro] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T21:44:51 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-16T21:57:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-16T21:58:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T22:31:02 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T22:31:08 < Laurenceb> lol control code in node red javashit 2021-07-16T22:31:19 < Laurenceb> >why does it take 20ms to wake up 2021-07-16T22:31:29 < Laurenceb> surprisingly fast tbh 2021-07-16T22:32:33 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-16T22:38:44 < kakium69> hyperloop controlled by javashit? 2021-07-16T22:39:13 < kakium69> running on raspberry pi? 2021-07-16T22:39:15 < Steffann> for some reason i trust it more than laurencode :P 2021-07-16T22:41:37 < kakium69> you doubt laurenter can not produce any coherent code? 2021-07-16T22:42:09 < kakium69> laurenter made the boss coder - hyperloop running on mathlab 2021-07-16T22:46:47 < Steffann> Have you paid attention to the stuff he posted here the last week? 2021-07-16T22:46:47 < Steffann> and the complaints 2021-07-16T22:46:47 < Steffann> and the "wtf is going on" 2021-07-16T22:46:47 < kakium69> he is having a meltdown? 2021-07-16T22:50:06 < Steffann> Was close call 2021-07-16T22:50:41 < kakium69> when? 2021-07-16T22:50:47 < Steffann> Watched the movie Spy Game yet, kakium69? 2021-07-16T22:50:54 < kakium69> idk 2021-07-16T22:51:02 < kakium69> I have watched every movie there is 2021-07-16T22:51:22 < Steffann> There are more porn movies than you can ever watch in your entire life. 2021-07-16T22:51:33 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2021-07-16T22:52:02 < kakium69> but I'm trying hard to get there 2021-07-16T22:54:34 < kakium69> Steffanx: definitelly have watched spy game 2021-07-16T22:56:07 < Steffanx> ok 2021-07-16T23:07:54 < bitmask> woot, printed a box to hold the high voltage module and bought felt to hold the alcohol, my cloud chamber is finished 2021-07-16T23:09:08 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-16T23:16:06 < mawk> Steffanx: 2021-07-16T23:16:16 < mawk> I have a colleague that stopped working at my company some months ago 2021-07-16T23:16:22 < mawk> I thought he left, but actually he was fired 2021-07-16T23:16:34 < mawk> so I asked what did he do to get fired, so my boss showed my his email junk folder 2021-07-16T23:16:57 < mawk> there was literally around a thousand emails from the guy, each and every one of them about a different QAnon conspiracy, or calling my boss "sheeple" and "slave" 2021-07-16T23:16:58 < mawk> lol 2021-07-16T23:17:09 < mawk> sometimes there were like 10 emails sent under 5 minutes 2021-07-16T23:17:50 < mawk> then a colleague told me he had to block him on every single messenger he's on because the guy kept sending him memes and images about qanon conspiracies 2021-07-16T23:18:06 < bitmask> should a gauss meter detect something in an electric field when you first turn it on? 2021-07-16T23:18:20 < mawk> very very briefly bitmask the magnetic field will vary 2021-07-16T23:18:25 < mawk> and I don't think a gauss meter can pick it up 2021-07-16T23:18:28 < mawk> but you can tr 2021-07-16T23:18:29 < mawk> y 2021-07-16T23:18:32 < kakium69> mawk: he actually did it? no possibility of hijacked account or anything? 2021-07-16T23:18:33 < bitmask> didnt detect anything 2021-07-16T23:18:40 < mawk> yes he actually did it kakium69 2021-07-16T23:18:55 < mawk> he supposedly started talking about it at work too, I didn't ask for details 2021-07-16T23:19:02 < mawk> but if he was fired it wasn't without evidence, it's a small company 2021-07-16T23:19:09 < bitmask> if I connect a wire to the positive grid and move it close to a metal contact on the gnd i should get a spark right? 2021-07-16T23:19:27 < mawk> if it's high enough voltage yes bitmask 2021-07-16T23:19:31 < bitmask> k i'll try that 2021-07-16T23:20:15 < kakium69> mawk: I could imagine laurencer being fired for sending dozens of greenline text to work emails every day 2021-07-16T23:20:27 < kakium69> and memes ofc 2021-07-16T23:20:55 < kakium69> Laurenceb_: take note what mawk said 2021-07-16T23:21:45 < mawk> bitmask: why not make a resistor divider with big resistors and measure voltage with a regular multimeter? 2021-07-16T23:21:59 < mawk> if you use like MΩ or GΩ values you should be fine 2021-07-16T23:22:16 < bitmask> yea i guess, i dont think its working though 2021-07-16T23:22:54 < mawk> no spark doesn't mean it's not working, you might have to get very close 2021-07-16T23:23:38 < mawk> to get a spark at 1mm you need 3kV 2021-07-16T23:23:38 < bitmask> i figured it would be loud when it made contact so even touching doesnt do anything 2021-07-16T23:23:38 < mawk> in regular air 2021-07-16T23:23:38 < mawk> but if it's especially dry it might need more 2021-07-16T23:23:38 < bitmask> and im trying closer than 1mm 2021-07-16T23:23:38 < mawk> try resistor divider, you should be fine 2021-07-16T23:24:23 < mawk> if you do it with a 1MΩ and 1kΩ resistor you can divide the voltage by ~1000 to get it read by a multimeter 2021-07-16T23:24:24 < bitmask> theres a small chance the standoff im testing on isnt touching the copper plate but i doubt it 2021-07-16T23:24:29 < bitmask> i'll have to take the module out and test it 2021-07-16T23:24:46 < bitmask> i dont have any high voltage resistors though 2021-07-16T23:24:55 < bitmask> arent they limited? 2021-07-16T23:25:43 < mawk> with 1MΩ bridge you can dump 500V safely for an indefinite period of time 2021-07-16T23:25:51 < mawk> but you can dump much larger if you don't let it connected for very long 2021-07-16T23:26:05 < mawk> resistors aren't limited by voltage I think bitmask , unless we're talking very big voltage 2021-07-16T23:26:12 < mawk> you just want to make sure the power isn't too high it's melting 2021-07-16T23:26:13 < bitmask> oh ok 2021-07-16T23:26:20 < mawk> I'm talking THT resistor 2021-07-16T23:26:21 < bitmask> alright i'll try it 2021-07-16T23:26:25 < bitmask> yea i know 2021-07-16T23:27:44 < bitmask> hmm thats still like 1W isnt it? 2021-07-16T23:27:58 < bitmask> i'll have to use multiple resistors 2021-07-16T23:28:05 < bitmask> i only have 1/4 i believe 2021-07-16T23:28:08 < mawk> the distance between the leads is like 1cm, and that needs a field of 30kV to make a spark 2021-07-16T23:28:18 < mawk> 500V at 1MΩ makes 0.25W 2021-07-16T23:28:30 < mawk> you can stack multiple resistors if you want 2021-07-16T23:28:39 < bitmask> 1000V 2021-07-16T23:28:45 < bitmask> about 2021-07-16T23:28:46 < bitmask> im really not sure 2021-07-16T23:28:53 < Steffanx> Lol @ the guy mawk 2021-07-16T23:29:22 < mawk> so you need 4MΩ bitmask 2021-07-16T23:29:27 < bitmask> k 2021-07-16T23:29:27 < mawk> to make it 0.25W 2021-07-16T23:29:37 < Steffanx> I dont think your boss is allowed to show you the junk folder, but yeah 😋 2021-07-16T23:30:08 < mawk> I couldn't stop laughing when he showed that to me Steffanx 2021-07-16T23:31:12 < mawk> bitmask: if you have U volts, then you need U²/0.25 ohms of resistance to keep the power dissipation down to 0.25W 2021-07-16T23:31:21 < mawk> so if U = 1000, that gave me 4MΩ 2021-07-16T23:31:23 < bitmask> yea i know 2021-07-16T23:32:36 < mawk> if you're worried about sparking between the leads you can put the resistor in mineral oil to increase the maximum voltage; but you don't need that for just 1kV 2021-07-16T23:33:00 < mawk> also I'm pretty sure a decent multimeter can take 1kV directly without a divider 2021-07-16T23:33:15 < mawk> but if you're worried it's more and might break your multimeter it's a good idea to make a divider 2021-07-16T23:33:32 < bitmask> yea im really not sure what its gonna be 2021-07-16T23:35:07 < Steffanx> The guy should sue your boss for showing you his private emails, mawk 2021-07-16T23:35:22 < mawk> the boss just showed me the subjects Steffanx , not the individual emails 2021-07-16T23:35:35 < mawk> also I don't think there's a law against showing private email is there? 2021-07-16T23:35:40 < mawk> the guy was already fired when he sent them 2021-07-16T23:36:44 < Steffanx> Im pretty sure there is, mawk 2021-07-16T23:36:50 < mawk> why 2021-07-16T23:37:03 < mawk> the guy had no reasonable expectation of privacy when he sent crazy emails like this 2021-07-16T23:37:11 < mawk> I'm not sure a judge would agree with you 2021-07-16T23:37:32 < mawk> it's like sending "I WILL KILL MYSELF" to someone, you can't sue them if they call psychiatric services on you 2021-07-16T23:37:43 < mawk> you have no reasonable expectation of privacy 2021-07-16T23:38:07 < Steffanx> https://www.sprengersadvocaten.nl/publicaties/wanneer-mag-een-werkgever-zich-toegang-verschaffen-tot-de-mailbox-van-een-medewerker/ enjoy 2021-07-16T23:38:09 < mawk> if you send an email titled "[VERY CONFIDENTIAL] Top secret information on the upcoming tenders" then yes you have an expectation of privacy 2021-07-16T23:38:40 < sauce> think theres a miscommunication about whose mailbox was revealed here 2021-07-16T23:38:50 < mawk> he didn't show me his mailbox Steffanx 2021-07-16T23:38:56 < mawk> the boss showed me his own mailbox 2021-07-16T23:39:01 < mawk> boss showed me boss' mailbox 2021-07-16T23:39:03 < Steffanx> Aaah 2021-07-16T23:39:15 < Steffanx> I missed that part, lol 2021-07-16T23:39:28 < mawk> which was full of qanon emails from fired guy 2021-07-16T23:39:46 < mawk> yeah if the crazy guy just sent crazy emails from his work email I wouldn't agree with him getting fired 2021-07-16T23:39:56 < mawk> otherwise I'd have to get fired 10 times for everything I did in my office 2021-07-16T23:40:19 < sauce> on a related note the G suite admin panel doesn't let you access users' inboxes directly but the APIs do, which weirds me out 2021-07-16T23:40:32 < mawk> only tech-savvy bosses can spy 2021-07-16T23:41:11 < mawk> in the office I did drugs, sex and rock&roll; but without rock&roll 2021-07-16T23:41:25 < Steffanx> He can simply change your password and check, but.. thats not really spying 2021-07-16T23:42:18 < Steffanx> So someone wrote a tool using this api, sauce? 2021-07-16T23:42:35 < sauce> oh yeah theres quite an ecosystem 2021-07-16T23:42:46 < sauce> lots of resellers and tools 2021-07-16T23:45:49 < mawk> I looked a bit how much it would cost to make my own blood group auto-test card 2021-07-16T23:45:56 < mawk> more or less $0.01 of raw materials per card 2021-07-16T23:46:04 < mawk> and it's sold $5 by the only company that sells them 2021-07-16T23:46:09 < mawk> I could get rich if I made them 2021-07-16T23:46:32 < mawk> but then you need to have some kind of medical equipment certification, being able to make sterile packings, etc, driving the cost a bit up 2021-07-16T23:46:39 < mawk> but still just $0.01 of raw materials, + the paper 2021-07-16T23:47:09 < mawk> $0.01 is the retail price of the antibodies needed to make a card, but the bulk price should be even lower 2021-07-16T23:47:09 < sauce> maybe they are available for cheap but not on the open market? 2021-07-16T23:47:16 < mawk> maybe 2021-07-16T23:47:24 < mawk> but I looked for some time and only "eldoncard" makes such cards 2021-07-16T23:47:40 < mawk> maybe no-one wants to buy them because everyone knows their blood type already 2021-07-16T23:47:47 < mawk> although I could market it as a fun home science experiment 2021-07-16T23:48:01 < mawk> because isn't poking holes in your fingers to draw blood extra fun? 2021-07-16T23:48:58 < sauce> arent they vital in emergency medicine? 2021-07-16T23:49:00 < mawk> it doesn't hurt, but it's a bit scary to push the button of the lancet yourself 2021-07-16T23:49:14 < mawk> well in emergency medicine they don't use such cards I think, but proper lab test 2021-07-16T23:49:27 < mawk> the card isn't reliable enough for transfusion 2021-07-16T23:49:37 < sauce> huh interesting 2021-07-16T23:49:40 < mawk> at least a few dummies on amazon managed to get wrong results 2021-07-16T23:49:45 < bitmask> mawk got it! it was the button 2021-07-16T23:49:49 < bitmask> :/ 2021-07-16T23:49:56 < mawk> you forgot to turn it on you mean bitmask ? 2021-07-16T23:50:05 < bitmask> no, the socket was loose :P 2021-07-16T23:50:10 < mawk> ah lol 2021-07-16T23:50:50 < mawk> sauce: for emergency transfusion I'd imagine they just have little petri dish of antibodies and add blood to it; not dried up antibodies on a piece of paper that you need to rehydrate yourself and so on 2021-07-16T23:51:06 < mawk> because the latter is too imprecise, if you don't work quick enough it doesn't work, if you put too much or too litle blood/water it doesn't work, etc 2021-07-16T23:51:09 < sauce> so whats the market you have in mind 2021-07-16T23:51:26 < mawk> stupid people that think that their diet must be in accordance with their blood type 2021-07-16T23:51:32 < mawk> it's a popular pseudo-science diet apparently 2021-07-16T23:51:48 < mawk> but I don't think I have such bad morals that I would willingly sell pseudo-science; so the remaining market is "fun science experiment" 2021-07-16T23:52:02 < mawk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_diet 2021-07-16T23:52:13 < sauce> if you want to sell snake oil just do audiophile or gamer shit, better ethics 2021-07-16T23:52:23 < mawk> lol 2021-07-16T23:53:00 < bitmask> so its 1100V 2021-07-16T23:53:06 < mawk> ah nice 2021-07-16T23:53:14 < mawk> and does it spark? 2021-07-16T23:53:17 < bitmask> yes 2021-07-16T23:53:24 < bitmask> and wines 2021-07-16T23:53:29 < bitmask> whines? how do you spell it 2021-07-16T23:53:33 < mawk> it should spark at...33cm? 2021-07-16T23:53:37 < mawk> I think I messed up the calculation 2021-07-16T23:53:42 < mawk> it seems really a lot 2021-07-16T23:53:43 < bitmask> heh its like 1mm 2021-07-16T23:53:47 < bitmask> mayben less 2021-07-16T23:54:06 < mawk> ah yes I messed up 2021-07-16T23:54:17 < mawk> 3kV/cm, so 1kV/(0.3333cm) 2021-07-16T23:54:28 < mawk> so 3.33mm in ideal conditions 2021-07-16T23:55:01 < bitmask> yea let me try it again to see the distance 2021-07-16T23:55:17 < mawk> is it DC? 2021-07-16T23:55:44 < bitmask> im not sure, it might be pulsed? 2021-07-16T23:55:53 < bitmask> actually i have the mmeter set to dc 2021-07-16T23:55:58 < bitmask> im not sure 2021-07-16T23:56:08 < mawk> if you set the meter to DC and it's pulsed then you see some average on the meter 2021-07-16T23:56:14 < mawk> and it might be higher in reality 2021-07-16T23:56:19 < mawk> at the pea 2021-07-16T23:56:19 < mawk> k 2021-07-16T23:56:21 < bitmask> its just a transistor a transformer and a cap 2021-07-16T23:56:30 < bitmask> and a diode 2021-07-16T23:56:44 < bitmask> yea maybe i'll try ac 2021-07-16T23:56:53 < mawk> yeah it's probably some kind of AC with a nonzero average value 2021-07-16T23:57:10 < mawk> well add a cap to filter the average value and put multimeter in AC mode 2021-07-16T23:57:44 < mawk> I don't know how big a cap though 2021-07-16T23:57:45 < mawk> you know the frequency? 2021-07-16T23:58:14 < mawk> it's probably related to the inductance of the transform 2021-07-16T23:58:14 < mawk> and the capacitance of your cap 2021-07-16T23:58:15 < mawk> like 1/sqrt(LC) 2021-07-16T23:58:15 < bitmask> i dunno the frequency jumps around when i set it to AC 2021-07-16T23:58:15 < bitmask> its fine 2021-07-16T23:58:17 < bitmask> 1100V is close enough 2021-07-16T23:58:18 -!- pro [~pro@user/pro] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-07-16T23:58:45 < bitmask> to get it to spark it has to be extremely close, just barely touching it 2021-07-16T23:59:07 < mawk> if you measure 1100V and it's pulsed DC, then let's say 1100V is the average value 2021-07-16T23:59:10 < mawk> so the peak is 2200V 2021-07-16T23:59:45 < mawk> if it's proper sinusoidal stuff --- Day changed Sat Jul 17 2021 2021-07-17T00:00:12 < mawk> but it's probably like /\__/\__/\__/\ though if there's a diode in the way, so the average isn't exactly half the peak 2021-07-17T00:07:00 < bitmask> hmm, i think the button is broken 2021-07-17T00:07:13 < bitmask> wasnt just not plugged in, when it worked i was testing with another button 2021-07-17T00:07:35 < bitmask> that sucks, i only have one of those custom buttons 2021-07-17T00:07:40 < bitmask> gotta try and fix it 2021-07-17T00:09:48 < bitmask> haha ugh, pin was just bent 2021-07-17T00:14:57 < mawk> yes with a waveform like I said the average value should be U/2 2021-07-17T00:15:00 < mawk> with U the peak value 2021-07-17T00:15:55 < mawk> and it would be U/sqrt(2) with a diode bridge 2021-07-17T00:18:40 < bitmask> wow, after taking the voltage divider out its a shitton more powerful 2021-07-17T00:19:04 < bitmask> crazy loud spark 2021-07-17T00:21:20 < bitmask> ok sweet, everything plays well together 2021-07-17T00:21:27 < bitmask> nowww its done, lets try it 2021-07-17T00:21:52 < bitmask> i should probably go downstairs since the AC doesnt cool my room well 2021-07-17T00:22:00 < bitmask> or not 2021-07-17T01:02:35 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T01:41:18 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-17T02:12:09 < mawk> without a voltage divider it forces the current to stay low I think bitmask 2021-07-17T02:12:17 < mawk> allowing the voltage to stay maximal 2021-07-17T02:12:29 < mawk> I predict a simple resistor will do that too 2021-07-17T02:15:33 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-17T02:31:52 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T03:08:22 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-17T03:13:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T04:00:21 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T04:00:34 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-17T04:15:18 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-17T04:16:03 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T04:32:08 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [] 2021-07-17T05:22:48 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T05:23:41 < R2COM> so wheres real channel here or fuckin freenode 2021-07-17T05:38:55 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 2021-07-17T05:39:10 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T06:00:11 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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And also isn't that true that many blacks call each other niggers? 2021-07-17T11:33:14 < jpa-> USA is weird with words lately, i can agree with that 2021-07-17T11:33:42 < jpa-> but just because something is an organization name does not make it less offensive, especially when the name has been chosen intentionally to be offensive 2021-07-17T11:35:50 < PaulFertser> Is nigger more offensive when you view it with black font on white background or white font on black background? I do not get it, how can one get offended by just mentioning certain words. That's outright insane or hypocritic. Same as the Pussy Riot case. 2021-07-17T11:36:32 < jpa-> words are proxies to concepts, concepts can be offensive 2021-07-17T11:37:35 < jpa-> some people like to think that they themselves cannot be offended by words, and maybe that is even true for some, but it doesn't change that many people are offended by certain words and it is within the interest of writers to avoid that 2021-07-17T11:39:02 < PaulFertser> Should we also write H----- for Hitler, g------- for genocide, r--- for rape, h-------- for holocaust etc? 2021-07-17T11:39:20 < jpa-> based on current consensus, no 2021-07-17T11:40:01 < PaulFertser> Aren't those concepts more offensive? 2021-07-17T11:40:24 < PaulFertser> Also, what concept is behind "nigger"? Isn't slavery more general, affecting more people and hence more offensive? 2021-07-17T11:40:27 < PaulFertser> Or racism 2021-07-17T11:41:03 < jpa-> you'll need to find someone else to answer those questions, as i'm myself not that interested in the topic 2021-07-17T11:41:21 < jpa-> for me it is enough to know that some people are offended by the word and that there is nothing to gain by using it 2021-07-17T11:43:06 < jpa-> it just seems silly to think that being part of organization name would make a difference 2021-07-17T11:47:20 < PaulFertser> Some people would probably prefer to not use combination of three digit 6 in a row but omitting or censoring them in a SSN would be plain silly. Because it's an ID and thus should be reproduced in full. 2021-07-17T11:48:21 < jpa-> and in that case there is a clear advantage in not corrupting it, though in general i wouldn't suggest publishing a SSN in news 2021-07-17T11:49:01 < jadew> I think it's normal to be offended by words, but when people are afraid to speak those words, I don't think you can get offended anymore 2021-07-17T11:50:06 < PaulFertser> In general I would suggest to not develop systems where something that must be kept secret is not stored inside crypto chips and never leave them.... 2021-07-17T11:51:50 < jpa-> most SSN schemes are full of legacy insecure stuff, but a crypto chip does not magically solve such problems 2021-07-17T11:52:55 < jpa-> it's always a balance between usability and security, and in most cases a central authentication server is a much more reasonable solution than a personal crypto chip 2021-07-17T11:53:13 < PaulFertser> If you require the secret to never leave the crypto chip, this sole requirement already forces certain desicions that should improve security. 2021-07-17T11:54:27 < jpa-> also it forces decisions that make many real-world things impossible 2021-07-17T11:54:44 < PaulFertser> Electronic signatures work. 2021-07-17T11:54:47 < PaulFertser> In real world. 2021-07-17T11:56:31 < jpa-> so you suggest replacing SSN as an ID number with another ID number that is an electronic signature, and then it would somehow be better to publish that? 2021-07-17T11:56:35 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T11:57:16 < jpa-> for example home addresses are usually not published, even though they are also not the kind of information i would keep on a crypto chip 2021-07-17T11:58:10 < jpa-> but this discussion has gotten way too far already :) 2021-07-17T12:06:29 < PaulFertser> jpa-: electronic signatures I've heard of are based on public key crypto, so yes, it's safe to publish the public part of it while keeping your secret key inside the chip forever. 2021-07-17T12:07:15 < jpa-> PaulFertser: typically you also need an ID to even know what public key to compare against 2021-07-17T12:07:38 < jpa-> which is exactly what SSN should be used for, not for authentication 2021-07-17T12:07:55 < PaulFertser> In that case publishing SSN should be safe 2021-07-17T12:08:32 < jpa-> safe, in a similar way as publishing a phone number or a home address is safe? 2021-07-17T12:09:27 < PaulFertser> Home address is not that safe as it is related to physical security. 2021-07-17T12:10:47 < PaulFertser> Phone number can be unsafe if we are assuming a cell phone number and for-whatever-fucking-reason-popular 2FA using SMS. 2021-07-17T12:11:03 < jpa-> any of them can be used for bullying and annoyance 2021-07-17T12:18:08 < Streaker> jpa-: if you update the link in the /topic to http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/libera/ it will save one extra hit on your webserver. 2021-07-17T12:19:07 < jpa-> Streaker: at this point i might as well rotate them around a bit.. 2021-07-17T12:19:21 < Streaker> that might be better 2021-07-17T12:20:21 < jpa-> like this 2021-07-17T12:20:52 < Streaker> you've got an infinite loop 2021-07-17T12:20:59 < jpa-> i know, and i like it :) 2021-07-17T12:21:13 < Streaker> I'm going to DOS your logs 2021-07-17T12:21:52 < jpa-> also fixed it so that it shows in browser directly instead of trying to download 2021-07-17T13:11:52 < Steffanx> Can you change your nick to j----, jpa- ? Im offended by "jpa-" ;) 2021-07-17T13:12:29 < Steffanx> Oops, one - too many 2021-07-17T13:12:39 < jadew> I'm offended that you are offended. jpa- should keep his nickname and everyone should be able to type it 2021-07-17T13:13:22 < jadew> why is it ok for jpa- to say jpa-? 2021-07-17T13:17:37 < Steffanx> Because he's a jpa 2021-07-17T13:18:14 < jadew> why are you assuming his jpaness? 2021-07-17T13:18:32 < jadew> no wait, I'll do that one again 2021-07-17T13:18:44 < jadew> did you just assume his jpaness? 2021-07-17T13:19:17 < jpa-> Steffanx: i'll consider it once you reach consensus with jadew 2021-07-17T13:19:54 < Steffanx> It doesnt work that way jpa- . Its irrelevant what he thinks. Im offended. 2021-07-17T13:20:32 < Steffanx> Anyway, time to do something more useful. Maybe tell tct sad stories 2021-07-17T13:20:40 < jadew> that's a pretty compelling argument. 2021-07-17T13:20:50 < jadew> j---, he convinced me 2021-07-17T13:20:52 < jpa-> Steffanx: i did not intend to dispute your feelings, you are entitled to them; but they do not bind my actions 2021-07-17T13:21:03 < jpa-> uh oh 2021-07-17T13:21:18 < jpa-> i'll be the rebel then 2021-07-17T13:21:48 < jpa-> besides, what can i do when i have only a - and not --- 2021-07-17T13:21:53 < jpa-> not everyone is that well endowed 2021-07-17T13:22:18 < zyp> jpa===D~~ 2021-07-17T13:22:25 < jadew> lol zyp 2021-07-17T13:22:37 < zyp> sup? 2021-07-17T13:28:11 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T13:28:36 * jadew is measuring noise 2021-07-17T14:10:13 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-17T14:18:37 < qyx> is jadew a nouse pro? 2021-07-17T14:19:26 < qyx> is my effective resoluton log2(fullscale / std(x))? 2021-07-17T14:20:11 < qyx> and RMS noise == std(x)? 2021-07-17T14:21:50 < tct> tell me a fun story 2021-07-17T14:26:00 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T14:50:07 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-17T14:56:36 -!- MrMobius_ [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T14:59:44 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-17T15:09:08 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-17T15:15:26 < jpa-> qyx: yes, that seems correct to me 2021-07-17T15:19:02 < qyx> thank you mr jpa- 2021-07-17T15:19:05 < Spirit532> I have a slightly peculiar task that I need a bit of help with 2021-07-17T15:20:33 < jpa-> Spirit532: you are in luck, ##stm32 are experts on tasks ranging from slightly peculiar to disturbingly peculiar 2021-07-17T15:22:00 < Spirit532> I'm building a two(!)-phase 1100Hz VFD, and I need to figure out how to DMA both the waveform(two 90 degree offset sines) and variable current with a single 4-channel timer without crushing the CPU performance, as it'll also be crunching other stuff(comms, display, etc) 2021-07-17T15:23:14 < jpa-> so basically DMA stuff into TIM->CCR1, CCR2 and CCR3? 2021-07-17T15:23:21 < Spirit532> yeah, the issue is with the data 2021-07-17T15:23:38 < Spirit532> since I can't have phase balance, I can't use TIMx/TIMx_N, they must be individual timers 2021-07-17T15:23:42 < Spirit532> CCR1, 2, 3, 4 2021-07-17T15:23:50 < Spirit532> individual registers* 2021-07-17T15:24:07 < Spirit532> it's essentially two full bridges, two separate coils, driven at 90 degrees 2021-07-17T15:24:45 < jpa-> sounds pretty standard so far 2021-07-17T15:24:59 < Spirit532> My thought so far is to set up a timer that runs at the desired output frequency, and then in that timer re-compute the LUTs(if needed) and fires off circular DMA for the next cycle 2021-07-17T15:25:34 < Spirit532> but that's 512 values to multiply/divide based on desired current 2021-07-17T15:25:38 < Spirit532> that's a lotta cycles 2021-07-17T15:26:14 < jpa-> how high will the PWM frequency be? 2021-07-17T15:26:23 < Spirit532> out of hearing range, 20kHz-ish 2021-07-17T15:27:40 < jpa-> you could just run interrupt at 20kHz and compute new values for the next PWM cycle on the fly 2021-07-17T15:28:15 < jpa-> four multiplications in a 20 kHz interrupt sound like less than 5% of CPU time 2021-07-17T15:28:51 < Spirit532> so essentially full software? 2021-07-17T15:28:57 < jpa-> (well, more multiplications than that to get the sine lut index etc, but still) 2021-07-17T15:29:18 < Spirit532> divisions are suckier, right? 2021-07-17T15:29:26 < jpa-> a bit slower yeah 2021-07-17T15:29:40 < jpa-> but unless this is M0, it's a quite fast CPU 2021-07-17T15:29:52 < Spirit532> use a precomputed LUT, val[lut]/100*desiredcurrent 2021-07-17T15:29:53 < Spirit532> that kind of thing 2021-07-17T15:30:17 < Spirit532> I'm choosing based on stock, so it's looking like an F411 right now 2021-07-17T15:30:23 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T15:30:55 < jpa-> sinetable[angle_in_brad & 255] * current / 256 or similar would be a typical fixed point implementation 2021-07-17T15:31:15 < Spirit532> poor brad 2021-07-17T15:34:01 < jpa-> it is an overkill for this application, but if there was a real need to offload to hardware, one could have one timer running at variable frequency, feeding the clock to the PWM timer; then the PWM period register could be adjusted to adjust the duty cycle for current, while keeping the actual PWM frequency constant by adjusting the frequency of the feeding timer; then all LUTs could be constant 2021-07-17T15:35:48 < Spirit532> oh, hm, I didn't think of clocking the timer from another timer 2021-07-17T15:36:01 < Spirit532> is that even possible? 2021-07-17T15:36:20 < jpa-> sure 2021-07-17T15:36:31 < Spirit532> pin bridge or internal? 2021-07-17T15:36:35 < jpa-> internal 2021-07-17T15:36:56 < jpa-> there are some combinations of timers that can act as a m----- or s---- 2021-07-17T15:38:35 < Spirit532> are we not allowed those words anymore 2021-07-17T15:39:46 < qyx> :D 2021-07-17T15:59:28 < Spirit532> so, on that note, another odd issue due to the fuckiness of my implementation 2021-07-17T16:00:41 < Spirit532> since I need independent control of each channel(phase1+, phase1-, phase2+, phase2-), I'm driving it using four separate timers 2021-07-17T16:00:57 < Spirit532> is there a way to ensure dead time, or do I just have to be VERY CAREFUL when writing code? :P 2021-07-17T16:01:38 < Spirit532> my current setup is as follows: https://i.spirit.re/KqFf5.png 2021-07-17T16:03:09 < Spirit532> abusing an IGBT IPM by turning it into a half bridge with extra dangly bits 2021-07-17T16:03:54 < Spirit532> er, full bridge 2021-07-17T16:31:03 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-17T16:37:43 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T16:39:14 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T17:18:56 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-17T17:22:44 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T17:31:18 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T17:48:47 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T17:59:23 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-17T17:59:23 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T18:01:03 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-17T18:07:57 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T18:14:08 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-17T18:14:23 < jadew> qyx, I'm far from being a pro 2021-07-17T18:15:59 -!- aandrew [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-17T18:16:30 < jadew> but I do seem to have managed to get decent measurements out of my gear, which is very surprising 2021-07-17T18:17:10 < jadew> and I only know they're decent because they plot nice, so I can only conclude that the data is fairly accurate 2021-07-17T18:17:23 -!- aandrew [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T18:19:16 < jadew> I'm not familiar with that formula btw, what is it used for? 2021-07-17T18:36:35 < qyx> the ADC specifies noise RMS and effective/peak-to-peak resolution figures for different sampling rates and configurations 2021-07-17T18:36:50 < qyx> I wanted to check if I didn't introduce more noise into inputs 2021-07-17T18:37:32 < qyx> there's a possiblity to do ADC offset calib + noise check shorting AIN+ and AIN- internally 2021-07-17T18:37:45 < jadew> ah, I see 2021-07-17T18:37:56 < qyx> or externally at system level (I did it at the end of the measurement cable) 2021-07-17T18:38:41 < qyx> I got only about ~1 bit less resolution with the cable shorted 2021-07-17T18:38:47 < qyx> so I assumed it is good 2021-07-17T18:39:34 < qyx> considering there is a LTE modem nearby and linux running and lot of SMPS stuff 2021-07-17T18:39:42 < jadew> I'm more interested in the actual quantities vs frequency 2021-07-17T18:40:27 < qyx> this was DC-40 Hz, sigma delta, so not much MHz 2021-07-17T18:41:22 < jadew> the log2 kinda hinted me that it must be something to do with binary systems 2021-07-17T18:44:09 -!- brdb [~alarm@c-73-218-240-52.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T18:44:42 < brdb> anyone use lvgl with the stm32s? trying to make sure i'm compiling the sources correctly 2021-07-17T18:50:10 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T18:53:31 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-17T18:58:20 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2021-07-17T19:12:10 < mawk> ln(2) is ubiquitous 2021-07-17T19:18:33 < jpa-> Spirit532: usually dead time means time between activation of the top & bottom mosfets, but in your case you have tied those controls together and IGCM06F60GA inserts the dead-time 2021-07-17T19:20:00 < jpa-> Spirit532: if you mean overcurrent protection to avoid burning out the coils, i would suggest using the ITRIP feature of that module 2021-07-17T19:21:12 < jpa-> brdb: i use it on STM32H7 2021-07-17T19:22:05 < brdb> jpa-: are you just using it simply with HAL/st's libs and CubeIDE or CMake/Make 2021-07-17T19:22:34 < jpa-> just makefile 2021-07-17T19:23:26 < brdb> i see, same here, but somehow my version using libopencm3 + lvgl on the stm32f429i disco board is just not working and i'm wondering if maybe i'm messing up something with the way i'm compiling lvgl 2021-07-17T19:23:36 < brdb> LCD stuff has been extremely frustrating so far 2021-07-17T19:24:18 < jpa-> more likely your display interface doesn't work; you can try using it directly 2021-07-17T19:26:07 < Mangy_Dog> https://imgur.com/a/YzOetBF my current lcd work :p (plugging) though im hitting the limit of the hardware, getting graphics glitches if i have a less corse fade effect. The multiple rendering and layering is causing issues.... not been able to find the root cause 2021-07-17T19:28:06 < brdb> ive successfully just hard coded image data (rgb) and written it to the address that the LTDC periph is looking at and writing, it does apprea on the LCD as expected with some color glitching but otherwise OK 2021-07-17T19:28:28 < jpa-> ok, that is promising 2021-07-17T19:28:42 < jpa-> so lvgl is not writing to that RAM for you? 2021-07-17T19:29:16 < brdb> i think maybe my DMA setup as part of the flush_cb func isn't working quite right, though i've gone over it several times and see nothing wrong with it 2021-07-17T19:29:30 < jpa-> replace it with simple memcpy() for a test 2021-07-17T19:29:55 < jpa-> also make sure that you call lv_disp_flush_ready() at the end of it 2021-07-17T19:29:55 < brdb> hmm i can try that, not sure if that's valid on the stm32? 2021-07-17T19:30:14 < jpa-> whether memcpy() is valid? sure it is, if you have at least some libc 2021-07-17T19:30:24 < jpa-> but if not, do a for loop to copy the data 2021-07-17T19:34:46 < brdb> my main confusion with doing that originally was the size of lv_color_t as part of the actual flush_cb and copying that directly into the memory address sequentially (correctly) 2021-07-17T19:35:34 < brdb> im confused about how the STM32 stores information in memory (RGB888?) vs what the ultimate format is (RGB565 in this case) and then comparing that to what lvgl is giving me for information 2021-07-17T19:36:00 < jpa-> they are all configurable 2021-07-17T19:36:21 < jpa-> you can configure LTDC memory format and display format separately, and then you should configure lvgl to match the memory format 2021-07-17T19:37:04 < jpa-> and the configuration of lvgl will determine the sizeof(lv_color_t) though i just cast that to uint16_t* myself 2021-07-17T19:38:00 < brdb> so then copying pixels from lv_color_t* to sdram memory (where LTDC layer 1 frame buffer starts) would match formats, right? 2021-07-17T19:38:07 < brdb> i see 2021-07-17T19:38:16 < brdb> yeah i see the casting to 16-bit a lot here 2021-07-17T19:39:20 < brdb> maybe trying to use libopencm3 instead of STs firmware libs is shooting myself in the foot here 2021-07-17T19:39:35 < jpa-> i don't see how libopencm3 is related to this at all 2021-07-17T19:40:00 < brdb> periph APIs maybe incorrect in setting registers correctly 2021-07-17T19:40:09 < jpa-> you have place in memory, if you put that to that place in memory you have confirmed that it appears on display; you have lvgl that is not putting data there for some reason - libopencm3 is not involved at all 2021-07-17T19:40:59 < brdb> hmm i'll try memcpy and see if i get different results than DMA 2021-07-17T19:58:42 < jadew> mawk, it was log2 tho, the implication being that it's useful somewhere where you have 2^x 2021-07-17T20:03:36 < brdb> memcpy works (well for loop but yeah) 2021-07-17T20:03:46 < brdb> thanks jpa- gotta figure out where i'm going wrong with the dma mem2mem copy then 2021-07-17T20:04:20 < jpa-> pastebin your code and ##stm32 will think for you 2021-07-17T20:04:32 < jpa-> solving your own problems is such lame approach 2021-07-17T20:05:11 < brdb> have to head to Lowes since lumber is affordable, but will do after -- thanks again jpa- for showing me how much of an idiot i am 2021-07-17T20:06:04 < jpa-> my pleasure 2021-07-17T20:07:29 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T20:10:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T20:22:01 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@37.45.203.199] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Spirit5324!~Spirit532@37.45.146.1))] 2021-07-17T20:22:06 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@37.45.146.1] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T20:32:31 < R2COM> this is ridiculous...$25k Allegro Design Entry CIS software for PCB has freezings for ~1.5s every time you apply net name to wire 2021-07-17T20:32:55 < R2COM> say you have memory chip and wired out lines, and you hit N to type and then automatically apply increasing pin names 2021-07-17T20:33:08 < jpa-> doesn't it come with support service that should fix such issues? 2021-07-17T20:33:11 < R2COM> so after every click on wire, theres 1-2s freezing before you can even move mouse 2021-07-17T20:33:19 < R2COM> it is shocking 2021-07-17T20:34:10 < R2COM> yes i dealt with their support: make ticket on their website, wait 1-2 business days until they get back with email, then you request zoom with them, and there will be couple dudes overseas with broken english reading out troubleshooting steps for you 2021-07-17T20:34:21 < sauce> its almost like software quality is not proportional to cost 2021-07-17T20:34:29 < R2COM> like... reboot PC, reinstall cadence... then...they elevate it to higher team...and that is another 4-5 days 2021-07-17T20:34:38 < R2COM> i gone through that few times 2021-07-17T20:35:05 < R2COM> and the thing is, 1) not always they sort it out, most of time they say something like "wait for hotfix" 2021-07-17T20:35:22 < R2COM> 2) by the time it goes on, i usually find issue out myself 2021-07-17T20:35:33 < R2COM> but in this case its just shitty software... i dont they gonna be able to sort it out 2021-07-17T20:35:59 < R2COM> so designing a MB-like PCB with tons of memory chips, FPGA and other things is literally nightmware now in this suite 2021-07-17T20:36:19 < R2COM> and that is on very new Lenovo 6 core PC with decent GPU as well for work 2021-07-17T20:36:40 < R2COM> softwre cost: >$25k with all features enabled 2021-07-17T20:37:52 < R2COM> it is just idiotic 2021-07-17T20:38:37 < R2COM> and overall all is now so slow... like you double click component for properties tab to open and that is another 3 seconds 2021-07-17T20:38:39 < jpa-> yeah, and difficult to even vote with your wallet when so much time has been invested in learning the software & rolling it out across a company 2021-07-17T20:38:46 < R2COM> then redrawing to main screen after you close that properties tab 2021-07-17T20:39:45 < R2COM> the reason why its used is, also cuz of the integration for SI and PI sims with other soft (>$50k stuff) 2021-07-17T20:39:49 < R2COM> for high speed links 2021-07-17T20:40:03 < R2COM> not sure that soft supports Kicad stuff 2021-07-17T20:40:22 < R2COM> and also, layout people (some old grumpy farts) trained to use Allegro format layout 2021-07-17T20:40:28 < R2COM> its been defacto standard for decades 2021-07-17T20:40:35 < R2COM> thats why noone moves anywhere else 2021-07-17T20:40:59 < R2COM> in universities, Cadence hooks everyone up by providing to University free license, as result all classes taught for that soft 2021-07-17T20:41:05 < R2COM> and its only thing people know 2021-07-17T20:41:09 < R2COM> they continue using shitsoft 2021-07-17T20:41:46 < R2COM> once i get time i wanna research doability of SI sim with Kicad flow after exporting its layout 2021-07-17T20:42:07 < R2COM> but now, to get PCBs fast you have to use whatever is "standard" 2021-07-17T20:42:21 < R2COM> and its not "fast" anyway cuz of all those lags and poor UI 2021-07-17T20:42:50 < R2COM> i honestly think GUI intensive soft must be persistent UI like... like that ImGUI platform 2021-07-17T20:43:10 < R2COM> Kicad is also not fastest, its using some shitty OpenGL if im correct 2021-07-17T20:43:35 < R2COM> but funny thing is, its still faster than $25k Cadence Allegro suite 2021-07-17T20:44:53 < R2COM> unfortunately theres no alternative really 2021-07-17T20:45:04 < R2COM> all same shit: Altium, Cadence, 2021-07-17T20:45:21 < R2COM> lower priced stuff is a little better like Eagle, but then again Kicad is just as good as Eagle but free 2021-07-17T20:46:34 < qyx> uhm, for me eagle was much slower than kikecad 2021-07-17T20:47:05 < R2COM> the stuff which i described with Cadence is real 2021-07-17T20:47:21 < R2COM> its worse than any other soft 2021-07-17T20:47:31 < R2COM> but then again in most companies its old stupid farts who use that soft 2021-07-17T20:47:37 < R2COM> and those are slow fucking people anyway 2021-07-17T20:48:04 < R2COM> they will never complain cuz they themselves are ineffective stupid fucks 2021-07-17T20:48:21 < R2COM> you wont believe how stupid people here in companies are 2021-07-17T20:53:21 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-17T21:03:44 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T21:04:37 -!- MrMobius_ [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-17T21:05:03 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T21:24:51 -!- ds2 [~ds2@162-194-129-85.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2021-07-17T21:35:57 -!- ds2 [~ds2@162-194-129-85.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-17T21:36:32 < tct> R2COM, \o/ 2021-07-17T21:36:38 < tct> R2COM, how is FreeBSDing going? 2021-07-17T21:37:14 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-17T21:41:10 < Steffanx> You wanted to hear a fun story I recall 2021-07-17T21:45:32 < tct> too late. 2021-07-17T21:46:07 < R2COM> tct its going OK 2021-07-17T21:46:24 < R2COM> im about to setup Kicad flow, my MCU programming flow working 2021-07-17T21:46:33 < tct> glad to hear that! 2021-07-17T21:46:52 < R2COM> i did one package build with poudriere 2021-07-17T21:46:59 < tct> neat, did my guide help? 2021-07-17T21:47:03 < R2COM> so i kinda know that flow, not 100% but yes 2021-07-17T21:47:07 < R2COM> yes i used your guide 2021-07-17T21:47:48 < tct> great 2021-07-17T21:48:01 < tct> still need to finish the webserver section but I take it that you don't need that on a local machine anyway 2021-07-17T21:48:44 < R2COM> yes i did it on local machine 2021-07-17T21:49:07 < R2COM> id like to have some nice guide on how to build NAS from FreeBSd 2021-07-17T21:49:16 < R2COM> dont think i saw anything detailed 2021-07-17T21:49:19 < R2COM> with full steps 2021-07-17T21:49:41 < R2COM> btw, recently I setup git server on my Synology 2021-07-17T21:50:01 < R2COM> also I found out that I can even install and buy IP camera and Synology can support some 2021-07-17T21:50:15 < R2COM> its funny that this $200 box i purchased years ago still is somewhat useful 2021-07-17T21:50:32 < R2COM> but ideally for future I'd like to have it all under open BSD system 2021-07-17T21:50:39 < R2COM> starting with just NAS of course 2021-07-17T21:50:50 < tct> just setup NFS 2021-07-17T21:50:59 < R2COM> since im not a huge data center thing... I guess even NAS with 2 2TB drives is OK for me 2021-07-17T21:51:00 < tct> Even Windows 10 comes with NFS clients these days 2021-07-17T21:51:00 < R2COM> for speed 2021-07-17T21:51:13 < tct> or SMB alternatively 2021-07-17T21:51:22 < tct> although that lost it's appeal a bit since NFSv4 for at least some cases 2021-07-17T21:51:30 < R2COM> here is what would be cool: 10Gbps FreeBSD NAS server 2021-07-17T21:51:45 < R2COM> and have 10Gbps PCIe card on PC toa ccess it fast 2021-07-17T21:52:16 < R2COM> i couldnt get nfs work 2021-07-17T21:52:18 < tct> I have several of those 2021-07-17T21:52:21 < tct> works great. 2021-07-17T21:52:26 < R2COM> i access to synology nas from freebsd through smb 2021-07-17T21:52:48 < tct> you might want to do some performance tuning to get proper 10Gbps speed (sustained). In my cases that usually didn't take more than 30minutes. 2021-07-17T21:53:10 < R2COM> yeah ill get there 2021-07-17T21:53:16 < R2COM> but would be nice to have ready made manuals for it 2021-07-17T21:53:18 < R2COM> guides 2021-07-17T21:53:23 < tct> I gotta run, take care o/ 2021-07-17T21:53:27 < tct> glad to hear that FreeBSD is working out for you. 2021-07-17T21:53:29 < R2COM> like, "building NAS from SSD on freebsd" 2021-07-17T21:53:42 < R2COM> btw, i also kinda have to use linux too....unfortunately 2021-07-17T21:54:02 < R2COM> im using fedora as guest OS in virtualbox on win10, to run my Xilinx FPGA synthesiz tools 2021-07-17T21:54:18 < R2COM> i decided not to pollute my FreeBSD with "linuxulator" shit 2021-07-17T21:54:35 < R2COM> less things which can break stuff 2021-07-17T22:01:08 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-17T22:19:29 < Steffanx> Just install truenas and have your freebsd based NAS running in no time :P 2021-07-17T22:27:30 < Spirit532> Another silly question 2021-07-17T22:27:49 < Spirit532> The chip I'm using doesn't have RS485 hardware flow control - can I use USART's CTS pin for this or some other trick? 2021-07-17T22:28:13 < Spirit532> It's going to be a single device pair, the device is a slave, the other whatever is connected is the master 2021-07-17T22:29:17 < qyx> is it stm32? 2021-07-17T22:29:33 < qyx> I would say RTS is used for that purpose, not CTS 2021-07-17T22:30:07 < qyx> there is that drive enable thingy on stm32 2021-07-17T22:30:21 < Spirit532> yeah there's not on this one 2021-07-17T22:30:46 < qyx> and if not, you can manipulate whatever GPIO before transmit start and in the transmit completed interrupt 2021-07-17T22:31:00 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/cLt9a.png 2021-07-17T22:31:03 < Spirit532> these are my only options 2021-07-17T22:47:51 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K8UpMNYIPo how barcodes were invented 2021-07-17T22:55:50 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-17T23:15:58 < englishman> cool 2021-07-17T23:15:59 < englishman> ty 2021-07-17T23:37:10 < Steffanx> semi-sad story for tct ^ --- Day changed Sun Jul 18 2021 2021-07-18T00:15:44 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T00:16:59 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-18T00:24:07 < brdb> jpa-: so this is what my DMA setup looks like that seems to be failing (the gpio toggling is just me lazily debugging with an led): https://pastebin.com/BEhbqGG8 2021-07-18T00:24:56 < brdb> i'm having issues getting DMA memory-to-memory transfer working (perhaps dma2d is needed/preferred?) to transfer pixel data from lvgl buffers to the LTDC frame buffer 2021-07-18T00:26:55 < brdb> fwiw this is using libopencm3 2021-07-18T00:28:24 < brdb> i did note that only the dma2 controller is able to do memory to memory, which is why i'm using it 2021-07-18T00:30:20 < brdb> also worth noting this is for the stm32f4, maybe karlp might know what stupid thing im probably forgetting to do for mem2mem dma to work here, or my logic in the isr is flawed 2021-07-18T00:38:19 < karlp> try enabling the error interrupts as well? 2021-07-18T00:40:44 < brdb> will do 2021-07-18T00:42:51 < karlp> "using some shitty opengl or somethign...." 2021-07-18T00:44:22 < brdb> hmm nope, doesn't seem to error either 2021-07-18T01:16:11 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T01:16:13 < Laurenceb> sup 2021-07-18T01:16:30 < Laurenceb> is it possible to do one to many broadcasting by bouncing UDP packets off localhost? 2021-07-18T01:18:08 < Laurenceb> I've found some examples that send to INADDR_BROADCAST 2021-07-18T01:18:21 < Laurenceb> but what would happen if I just sent to 127.0.0.1 ? 2021-07-18T01:19:04 < Laurenceb> would that work as long as I set the broadcast socket option on the tx side and SO_REUSEPORT on the rx sides? 2021-07-18T01:23:39 < karlp> Spirit532: I've never tried actualyl using it in raw RTS mode. "modern" usart peripherals, (ie, not f1-2-3-4, l1) have direct rs485 drive enable support, but before that, the ST recommended way was via GPIO toggling in the TC interrupt. (_not_ the TXE interrupt) 2021-07-18T01:23:47 < karlp> ala https://github.com/karlp/fmb-demo/blob/master/opencm3-raw/mb_port/portserial.c#L147 and https://github.com/karlp/fmb-demo/blob/master/opencm3-raw/mb_port/portserial.c#L106 2021-07-18T01:24:04 < karlp> it might work tying it to rts directly, but... shrugsssss 2021-07-18T01:24:33 < karlp> there's an app note from ST on it, if you're really keen. (it doesn't say much honestly, but... might be useful) 2021-07-18T01:28:13 < karlp> WHY AM I ONLY GETTING 3MB/s!?! 2021-07-18T01:42:37 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T01:43:54 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-18T01:45:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-18T01:45:48 < karlp> hrm... should I corrupt this clean system and install python2? 2021-07-18T01:54:50 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T02:25:53 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-18T02:34:50 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T02:36:31 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-18T03:08:24 < jadew> so I think I was successful in creating another product without a market 2021-07-18T03:09:17 < jadew> looking now for topics on eevblog on the subject, and there are like... 1 2021-07-18T03:10:34 < jadew> that thing I linked the other day, the two devices 2021-07-18T03:11:23 < jadew> one was a noise source, the other one was that flat gain amplifier, they would go hand in hand to create a noise figure measurement kit 2021-07-18T03:11:39 < jadew> problem is, I don't think many people are measuring noise figure hehe 2021-07-18T03:12:27 < jadew> don't know if I should invest in getting the enclosures for the noise source machined (I only have one prototype), and also order the custom connectors 2021-07-18T03:14:57 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T03:16:24 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T03:21:58 < R2COM> "Generally it’s better to simply use the fetch and merge commands explicitly as the magic of git pull 2021-07-18T03:21:58 < R2COM> can often be confusing." 2021-07-18T03:22:08 < R2COM> >*reference manual of GIT* 2021-07-18T03:22:22 < R2COM> *magic* <-->*reference manual* 2021-07-18T03:29:12 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-18T03:34:11 < brdb> so trying to do dma mem2mem copy seems to be getting stuck at checking the transfer complete flag which is troublesome: https://pastebin.com/Kf3gNAjP 2021-07-18T03:34:45 < brdb> line 36 if the comment isn't clear enough, i've tried to verify using the actual register address of what I believe to be the correct one for DMA2 stream 0 2021-07-18T03:36:15 < brdb> this snip from the ref manual has me believing that the copy is from periph to memory for mem-to-mem: https://i.stack.imgur.com/DKHpp.png 2021-07-18T03:39:21 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T03:39:37 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T03:54:15 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-18T04:16:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T04:26:56 < brdb> i figured it out, i think i had the dma_stream_reset later when i set things and NVIC wasnt set correctly 2021-07-18T04:27:16 < brdb> also setting initial memory target to 0 seems (M0) seems to have helped, too 2021-07-18T05:08:56 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-18T05:09:04 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-18T06:00:10 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T06:00:10 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-18T06:01:49 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-18T06:44:48 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T07:55:48 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-18T08:09:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T10:19:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-18T10:20:48 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T11:12:52 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T11:13:44 < karlp> who's rpaciorek? 2021-07-18T11:15:07 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@176-93-100-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-18T11:21:30 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T11:24:57 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T12:02:23 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T12:06:13 -!- c4017 [~c4017@S010664777dab66f3.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-18T13:09:52 < Steffanx> Must be the polish Rumpelstiltskin 2021-07-18T13:15:08 < tct> happyness arrived 2021-07-18T13:25:00 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T13:27:18 < Steffanx> Hello sunshine 2021-07-18T13:27:22 < Steffanx> Mr tct 2021-07-18T13:28:27 < tct> Hello. 2021-07-18T13:28:58 < tct> somebody tell me a sad story please 2021-07-18T13:29:05 < tct> some people use vlc 2021-07-18T13:45:51 * qyx too 2021-07-18T13:51:04 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T13:57:33 -!- funky [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T13:58:45 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T14:05:03 < tct> somebody wake up mawk 2021-07-18T14:14:13 < Steffanx> No, let mawk sleep 2021-07-18T14:14:32 -!- funky is now known as Streaker 2021-07-18T14:29:18 < Streaker> How do you know mawk is asleep? 2021-07-18T14:32:34 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T15:01:29 -!- brdb [~alarm@c-73-218-240-52.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-18T15:02:04 -!- brdb [~alarm@c-73-218-240-52.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T15:21:24 -!- MrMobius_ [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T15:21:24 -!- Steffann [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T15:23:40 < tct> :> 2021-07-18T15:23:51 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T15:23:51 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T15:29:44 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2021-07-18T15:31:32 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-18T15:36:40 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-18T16:43:49 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T16:43:49 < Laurenceb> sup 2021-07-18T16:43:54 < Laurenceb> suppp 2021-07-18T16:44:21 < Laurenceb> database question: if I have a RECNO database, and create records 1,2,3, then 5000 2021-07-18T16:44:30 < Laurenceb> is space reserved for 5k records? 2021-07-18T16:51:17 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T16:57:43 < Laurenceb> nmv got the answer 2021-07-18T16:58:03 < Laurenceb> BDB "RECNO" is actually BTREE with integer records rather than string 2021-07-18T16:58:26 < Laurenceb> but if you set mutable mode it will compress gaps and renumber records 2021-07-18T17:05:29 < Laurenceb> ok wtf 2021-07-18T17:05:39 < Laurenceb> supposedly even the c version of BDB is thread safe 2021-07-18T17:05:53 < Laurenceb> I'm confused as to how they manage that 2021-07-18T17:09:55 < Laurenceb> actually it could just wait on a mutex, derp 2021-07-18T17:10:40 * Laurenceb is answering his own questions, chat is dead 2021-07-18T17:11:57 -!- MrMobius_ is now known as MrMobius 2021-07-18T17:36:30 < Steffanx> Or no one cares ;) 2021-07-18T17:40:50 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-18T17:44:30 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T18:00:27 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T18:00:27 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-18T18:02:07 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-18T18:03:29 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-18T18:15:11 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T18:25:01 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-18T18:35:15 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-18T18:52:59 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T19:19:33 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T20:09:35 < mawk> yes tct ? 2021-07-18T20:09:41 < mawk> look Steffanx https://serveur.io/Marcel-j.jpg 2021-07-18T20:09:58 < mawk> that's my great-great-great-uncle 2021-07-18T20:10:09 < mawk> he was a missionary priest 2021-07-18T20:10:10 < mawk> l'oncle Marcel 2021-07-18T20:10:25 < mawk> he catholicized the third world with his car and his funny hat 2021-07-18T20:10:26 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-18T20:15:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T20:16:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T20:47:56 < Steffanx> Youre not proud of him for sure mawk.. 2021-07-18T20:48:09 < mawk> no 2021-07-18T20:48:12 < mawk> bad Marcel 2021-07-18T20:48:23 < mawk> but he did it only because his mother told him two 2021-07-18T20:48:32 < mawk> his sisters were forced to become nuns as well 2021-07-18T20:48:37 < mawk> one of them escaped the covent 2021-07-18T20:48:48 < Steffanx> Lol. Joy 2021-07-18T20:49:33 < mawk> the degree of religiosity went decreasing down the family tree 2021-07-18T20:49:55 < mawk> the mother went to church every day and made her children priests and nuns 2021-07-18T20:50:05 < mawk> my grandparents go to church every week, my mother every year 2021-07-18T20:50:09 < mawk> and me well 2021-07-18T21:02:29 < Steffanx> You read the Bible daily. I know it 2021-07-18T21:09:48 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T21:20:05 < mawk> lol 2021-07-18T21:24:05 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T21:52:34 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T21:54:03 -!- con3 [~con3@143.198.53.32] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T21:54:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T22:06:45 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-18T22:08:32 < upgrdman> heh. found out why my esp32cam has such shit framerates... the pcb antenna is crap. turns out i'm not the only one: https://www.reddit.com/r/esp32/comments/c4iy1j/aithinker_esp32_cam_slow_video_stream_try/ ... i wonder if soldering a 1/4 wavelength wire to the end of the pcb antenna would be helpful 2021-07-18T22:09:36 < qyx> my esp32cam has okish framerates 2021-07-18T22:13:48 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-18T22:19:05 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T22:21:48 < Steffanx> So use the external antenna option upgrdman 2021-07-18T22:30:35 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-18T22:32:45 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T22:53:28 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T23:02:16 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-18T23:03:16 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-18T23:34:19 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-18T23:54:36 < Steffanx> What kind of fancy thing you use the camera for mr qyx? --- Day changed Mon Jul 19 2021 2021-07-19T00:12:19 < mouseghost> spying on someone i bet 2021-07-19T00:35:56 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-19T00:36:08 -!- rkta_ [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T00:36:17 -!- rkta_ is now known as rkta 2021-07-19T00:58:47 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T01:02:14 < qyx> I'll smash those $%#^ TI battery gauges with a hammer 2021-07-19T01:02:22 < qyx> such a sad piece of IC 2021-07-19T01:03:20 < qyx> the I2C protocol is either a super legacy thing from the previous century 2021-07-19T01:03:58 < qyx> or it was designed by someone who never did a two concise lines of code 2021-07-19T01:04:35 < qyx> so lets enable a charging control 2021-07-19T01:04:59 < qyx> lookup the command format, yeah, look ez, send address and two bytes 2021-07-19T01:05:07 < qyx> oh wait, there is no command for FET control 2021-07-19T01:05:15 < qyx> oh, there are advanced commands! 2021-07-19T01:05:24 < qyx> they may have some parameters 2021-07-19T01:05:44 < qyx> so you have to use a "normal" command to write a parameter for the advanced command 2021-07-19T01:06:00 < qyx> then use the same command to write the actual advanced command to another register 2021-07-19T01:06:07 < qyx> and then it should work 2021-07-19T01:06:24 < qyx> oh wait, no, there is no fucking command to turn the FET on, only to toggle it 2021-07-19T01:06:39 < qyx> so you have to issue another command, from the table of advanced commands 2021-07-19T01:06:47 < qyx> to read the current state 2021-07-19T01:07:11 < qyx> but wait! wheres the return value?! 2021-07-19T01:07:44 < qyx> unbelievable, you have to issue another command to read the response 2021-07-19T01:09:16 < qyx> and now, those charging and discharging FETs are controlled by 3 different commands, ale of them are of toggle type 2021-07-19T01:57:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-19T02:17:02 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T02:24:20 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-19T02:26:51 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-19T02:30:06 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-19T02:31:01 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T02:31:09 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T02:31:59 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T02:34:21 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T02:35:11 < R2COM> oh boy this vscode is not working quite well in few scenarios: 1) remote connection from linux server 2) on FreeBSD (and on linux) i see that Outline not working, i.e. not showing code browsing tags on a side 2021-07-19T02:35:24 < R2COM> it works beautifully on win10 tho.. but thats it 2021-07-19T02:35:53 < R2COM> vim is great, but I do not think vim alone is a serious tool for editing huge code project anywhere 2021-07-19T02:36:28 < R2COM> im afraid id have to move my MCU dev back on win10 2021-07-19T02:36:33 < R2COM> just cuz of that 2021-07-19T02:36:43 < R2COM> i.e. no serious editor on unix environment 2021-07-19T02:37:09 < R2COM> that c++ intellisense is a big deal, as well as ability to distinguish templated classes on preview 2021-07-19T02:37:14 < R2COM> but shit isnt working on unix 2021-07-19T02:37:26 < R2COM> and vim alone cant get it done on such high level 2021-07-19T03:01:17 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-19T03:24:44 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T03:42:59 < Mangy_Dog> https://imgur.com/gallery/ea8wL20 2021-07-19T03:43:17 < Mangy_Dog> Half way done on this UI page 2021-07-19T04:07:31 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T04:07:36 < R2COM> does anyone use vscode? 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2021-07-19T18:35:42 < Steffanx> specing: wtf? 2021-07-19T18:39:52 < englishman> good ban --- Log closed Mon Jul 19 18:53:58 2021 --- Log opened Mon Jul 19 18:54:06 2021 2021-07-19T18:54:06 -!- jpa- [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T18:54:06 -!- Irssi: ##stm32: Total of 69 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 69 normal] 2021-07-19T18:54:07 -!- Irssi: Join to ##stm32 was synced in 7 secs 2021-07-19T18:54:11 < Steffanx> Im not sure what other sauces he was in the past 2021-07-19T18:54:14 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: thx 2021-07-19T18:54:18 < Steffanx> Jpsauce. 2021-07-19T18:58:00 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T19:22:52 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T19:27:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-19T19:35:13 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-19T20:08:58 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T20:18:58 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-19T20:37:49 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-19T20:38:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-19T20:45:13 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::801c] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T20:52:26 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T21:05:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T21:07:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T21:19:17 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T21:22:20 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T21:22:26 < kakium69> summer is over 2021-07-19T21:22:37 < kakium69> it's official 2021-07-19T21:24:42 < kakium69> 16celsius 2021-07-19T21:25:51 < srk> 23here.. gonna climb back to 30 next week 2021-07-19T21:26:30 < srk> I sorta wish summer was over, neighbors kids screaming in pool drives me nuts 2021-07-19T21:27:52 < kakium69> undress 2021-07-19T21:28:01 < srk> xD 2021-07-19T21:28:02 < kakium69> run towards them screming like madman 2021-07-19T21:28:08 < kakium69> screaming 2021-07-19T21:28:22 < kakium69> do belly dive in the pool 2021-07-19T21:28:34 < srk> expected undress -> pull your dick out xD 2021-07-19T21:29:08 < kakium69> effectivelly cops are going to arrive for you but kids are now afraid 2021-07-19T21:32:54 < srk> :D 2021-07-19T21:37:14 < kakium69> also parents are afraid 2021-07-19T21:50:04 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-19T21:55:31 < Steffanx> srk: Just become kakium69's neighbour in the middle of nowhere 2021-07-19T21:56:10 < srk> sorta my plan :) 2021-07-19T22:02:56 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-19T22:24:46 < tct> what's your opinion on bees? 2021-07-19T22:25:36 < kakium69> bees are great 2021-07-19T22:25:44 < kakium69> are there any other opinion? 2021-07-19T22:33:46 < englishman> yeah bees are the best 2021-07-19T22:36:28 < Steffanx> I dont see bees so often 2021-07-19T22:36:48 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-19T22:36:55 < kakium69> that is good thing too 2021-07-19T22:37:04 < kakium69> they mind their business 2021-07-19T22:37:13 < Steffanx> Yeah, unlike wasps 2021-07-19T22:38:20 < fury> is there a way to add the "price" column to the microcontroller product selector, or like, some kind of spreadsheet that includes the price? 2021-07-19T22:39:40 < Steffanx> the product selector tool has it.. 2021-07-19T22:39:52 < englishman> my ankle is still all swollen from a wasp sting a week ago 2021-07-19T22:40:03 < Steffanx> but im not sure if there is really a point in using those 10k prices, fury. 2021-07-19T22:40:49 < Steffanx> First because stm32 is pretty much unavailable. And second because most prices are way above that and semi-random/demand based. 2021-07-19T22:41:59 < tct> a customer is currently developing some gadget with an STM32H750 and an STM32F455 - they are almost crying due to supply chain issues 2021-07-19T22:42:00 < Mangy_Dog> are stm32s still in short over priced supply? 2021-07-19T22:42:02 < fury> yeah, chip shortage notwithstanding, just trying to plan ahead for a few years from now, looking for the lowest priced stm32 micro that has USB (device or otg), spi, and an i2s (separate from the spi). F042C6 is what i've come up with so far 2021-07-19T22:42:06 < tct> although being a big ass corporation like them seems to help. 2021-07-19T22:42:50 < fury> i'm not seeing the price column tho :( 2021-07-19T22:42:52 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-19T22:42:58 < fury> i have to click into each one individually adn go to the "Sample & Buy" 2021-07-19T22:43:16 < fury> not finding it in the "Customize columns" button 2021-07-19T22:43:23 < Steffanx> are you using this java based tool or some web based tool? 2021-07-19T22:43:27 < Steffanx> stm32cubemx has it for sure 2021-07-19T22:43:29 < englishman> yeah isnt that in stm32cube? 2021-07-19T22:43:32 < fury> on the web 2021-07-19T22:43:38 < englishman> time to install JAVA 2021-07-19T22:43:41 < Steffanx> and they have a product selector java tool too 2021-07-19T22:43:42 < fury> oh, cool, i have cube open in another window, just didn't know it had that info 2021-07-19T22:43:45 < fury> sweet 2021-07-19T22:43:54 < fury> thanks! 2021-07-19T22:44:03 < englishman> might be better off cruising the GD32 catalogue 2021-07-19T22:44:18 < englishman> or even ESP32 2021-07-19T22:44:19 < Steffanx> not suggesting msp4x0? 2021-07-19T22:44:35 < englishman> not since they're all out of stock. 2021-07-19T22:45:11 < fury> i do have a couple projects spinning up using an esp32, but since they don't have enough I/O or a USB controller, i have to give it a little bit of help 2021-07-19T22:47:45 < kakium69> is mlcc shortage still happening? 2021-07-19T22:54:19 < zyp> fury, I'd also expect f042 to be the cheapest usb-capable stm32 2021-07-19T22:54:37 < zyp> so you're unlikely to find anything cheaper 2021-07-19T22:54:54 < fury> makes sense. i see it and the f072 used in some CAN dongles 2021-07-19T22:55:04 < fury> there's probably a reason 2021-07-19T22:55:43 < zyp> well, the f0 is cost optimized, and the f042 is the lowest part with usb at all 2021-07-19T22:56:09 < zyp> personally I avoid it though 2021-07-19T22:56:43 < zyp> you can't easily run a custom usb bootloader on those, which tends to be a requirement in my projects 2021-07-19T22:57:57 < zyp> so I've been using l052 instead, but going forward I'm probably more likely to use g0b1 2021-07-19T22:58:13 < zyp> assuming they get reasonable availability by then 2021-07-19T22:59:25 < fury> hmm. good to know. i don't think i need anything more fancy than the built in usb dfu for this one... but i do sometimes have to run a custom bootloader of some kind (flash updates via a USB flash drive, CAN bus, etc.) 2021-07-19T22:59:54 < fury> this time i'm doing something completely different than anything i've done before, a USB device rather than a host, and with just enough firmware to enable the SPI/GPIO/I2S access from a Linux host 2021-07-19T23:00:44 < zyp> the issue is that cortex-m0 doesn't have the SCB_VTOR register that allows you to relocate the vector table, which you generally want to point it at the application image 2021-07-19T23:01:29 < zyp> there's alternative ways of solving it, but I don't like those 2021-07-19T23:01:54 < zyp> cortex-m0+ added it back in, so I simply just avoid cortex-m0 2021-07-19T23:02:00 < fury> ah. yep, have had to do those (double function jumps from the bootloader's vector table and whatnot) 2021-07-19T23:02:03 < zyp> f0 is m0, l0 and g0 is m0+ 2021-07-19T23:02:11 < fury> ah 2021-07-19T23:02:13 < fury> nice 2021-07-19T23:02:28 < fury> thanks! 2021-07-19T23:58:21 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-20-134.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-19T23:58:33 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-20-134.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Jul 20 2021 2021-07-20T00:03:08 < kakium69> tesla makes driving assist monthly subscription 2021-07-20T00:03:51 < kakium69> it makes sense as it's really more of a service that needs constant development 2021-07-20T00:03:59 < kakium69> but 2021-07-20T00:05:41 < kakium69> are they asking people who have paid for it to bend over 2021-07-20T00:05:45 < kakium69> at some point 2021-07-20T00:05:46 < kakium69> will see 2021-07-20T00:19:41 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-20T00:21:12 < zyp> only when they replace the car 2021-07-20T00:21:46 < zyp> cars bought when they had free supercharging got to keep that when they started charging 2021-07-20T00:22:11 < kakium69> what if car is sold to new owner? 2021-07-20T00:22:34 < zyp> unsure, IIRC there's been some controversy over that before (wrt. supercharging) 2021-07-20T00:24:49 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T00:38:45 < englishman> what bending over would there to be done 2021-07-20T00:38:52 < englishman> you can buy it and pay the fixed fee 2021-07-20T00:38:57 < englishman> or pay monthly 2021-07-20T00:39:33 < englishman> idk if it's a smart move, they are not likely to get many sales until they actually ship selfdriving 2021-07-20T00:39:42 < englishman> which may never happen 2021-07-20T01:04:03 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:fcc0:b8af:5c58:24f9] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-20T01:16:07 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:3473:61b2:2f3d:4c16] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T01:21:24 < kakium69> tesla guys are marketing geniuses 2021-07-20T01:25:05 < kakium69> implied self driving that couldn't drive itself yet, but "any day now" for years! 2021-07-20T01:25:30 < machinehum> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dguBEoU6OQ8 2021-07-20T01:25:52 < machinehum> This guys accent is awesome 2021-07-20T01:26:12 < machinehum> Watch Dracula disassemble flyback power supplies 2021-07-20T01:26:26 < kakium69> ah those ebay wrappers and labels 2021-07-20T01:27:03 < machinehum> English label says made in Vetnam Russian says made in China "Booooddddyyyy Hellll" 2021-07-20T01:27:31 < brdb> does the stm32f0 not actually have CAN Bus capability? i see the F1 referenced a lot given it's common usage in automotive type environments 2021-07-20T01:28:07 < brdb> it keeps failing to set the CAN_MSR_INAK bit 2021-07-20T01:30:04 < kakium69> machinehum: indeed it's very personal accent 2021-07-20T01:30:31 < kakium69> and never buy phone charger delivered from china 2021-07-20T01:31:09 < machinehum> I would immagine they're all made in China? 2021-07-20T01:31:13 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-20T01:31:26 < machinehum> Vetnam 2021-07-20T01:31:35 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-20T01:32:38 < kakium69> there is a thing called supply chain 2021-07-20T01:33:48 < kakium69> when you order psu from ebay for 1.5usd the supply chain goes out of window and you get the direct access to most horrible things you can connect to mains 2021-07-20T01:36:29 < machinehum> Sounds about right 2021-07-20T01:39:57 < machinehum> Is UL worth getting 2021-07-20T01:40:12 < machinehum> If design a mains device safely and just sell it 2021-07-20T01:40:19 < machinehum> What would happen 2021-07-20T01:42:37 < kakium69> sell it on ebay via china 2021-07-20T01:43:31 < mouseghost> wahts UL? 2021-07-20T01:43:41 < kakium69> cert 2021-07-20T01:43:44 < machinehum> idk some American BS 2021-07-20T01:43:55 < mouseghost> mm imagine doing mains without no stinky certs 2021-07-20T01:44:31 < machinehum> I should just send my build to Diodes gone wild 2021-07-20T01:44:38 < machinehum> He can take a look 2021-07-20T01:44:40 < kakium69> welcome back to early 20th century 2021-07-20T01:45:46 < kakium69> houses had open wiring 2021-07-20T01:46:10 < kakium69> there was no standards for voltage or plug 2021-07-20T01:46:17 < mouseghost> buttplug? 2021-07-20T01:46:25 < machinehum> open wiring what? 2021-07-20T01:46:27 < machinehum> Like... 2021-07-20T01:46:37 < kakium69> copper running on open 2021-07-20T01:46:38 < machinehum> No insulation 2021-07-20T01:46:40 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-20T01:46:48 < mouseghost> open ckt ofc 2021-07-20T01:46:51 < machinehum> Oh fuck I didn't know that was a thing 2021-07-20T01:49:42 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T01:50:01 < mouseghost> people had like bladders in windows back in the day 2021-07-20T01:50:11 < mouseghost> and used intestines as condoms 2021-07-20T01:51:45 < kakium69> they used bladders as window panel yes 2021-07-20T02:01:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-20T02:06:24 < kakium69> but that was before open mains wiring 2021-07-20T02:06:55 < kakium69> glass panels are way older invention than electricity 2021-07-20T02:08:49 < specing> I think the term here is 'discovery', at least for electricity 2021-07-20T02:12:23 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-20T02:14:58 < machinehum> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cyan-a-crypto-token-providing-residual-income#/ 2021-07-20T02:15:01 < machinehum> Yikes 2021-07-20T02:15:04 < machinehum> What a fucking scan 2021-07-20T02:15:06 < machinehum> scam 2021-07-20T02:20:02 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpivB8z0gU0 Traxx - Discovery 2021-07-20T02:27:31 < machinehum> I just downloaded the entire album 2021-07-20T02:53:42 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T03:09:34 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-20T03:14:57 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-20T03:16:38 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@22.177.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-20T03:27:15 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T03:43:12 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-07-20T03:57:45 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-20T03:58:16 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T04:07:08 < MrMobius> just got an f0 board. is SW4STM32 what i should be using? 2021-07-20T04:07:29 < MrMobius> last stm32 project was 2015 and i was just cusing gcc on command line 2021-07-20T04:15:28 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T04:22:20 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T04:23:40 < MrMobius> lol that wont download 2021-07-20T04:23:58 < MrMobius> and STM32CubeIDE keeps giving me an incomplete zip 2021-07-20T04:24:04 < MrMobius> i forgot what a clown show this is 2021-07-20T04:58:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-20T05:52:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T06:00:11 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T06:00:11 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-20T06:00:11 < R2COM> maybe its time to drive some effort on this channel to write up own library 2021-07-20T06:01:49 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-20T06:04:08 < sauce> a number of people here have contributed to libopencm3 2021-07-20T06:05:11 < R2COM> im talking about proper library like "hal" but from scratch and only in c++ with latest features 2021-07-20T06:08:31 < MrMobius> why would you do that? 2021-07-20T06:10:20 < R2COM> why would we drive cars to work now? we used horses long time ago and can even do today rite 2021-07-20T06:22:51 < machinehum> R2COM: I can help 2021-07-20T06:22:57 < machinehum> I already wrote a turnip CLI 2021-07-20T06:23:19 < machinehum> https://github.com/Machine-Hum/turnip_cli 2021-07-20T06:27:40 < R2COM> im not going to use libopencm3 2021-07-20T06:33:47 < machinehum> Fair 2021-07-20T06:33:53 < machinehum> C++ would be nice for sure 2021-07-20T06:34:13 < machinehum> What's going on with the STM32 zepher hal? 2021-07-20T06:34:20 < machinehum> I think they're writing their own hals 2021-07-20T06:56:53 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Is that possible? 2021-07-20T13:56:53 < ventyl> well, i ended up with 60 EUR phone, which now runs for third year and still receives updates. so apparently yes 2021-07-20T13:57:00 < ventyl> it just isn't android 2021-07-20T13:57:44 < zyp> ah, you mean it receives security updates, not OS upgrades? 2021-07-20T13:58:22 < ventyl> yes, but if I opted for twice-as-pricey iphone SE, it would still receive OS updates 2021-07-20T13:58:23 < Steffanx> Oh I meant cheap and up to date in the android world. 2021-07-20T13:59:17 < ventyl> and while it is still supported by apps I need, I don't even care about lack of new OS 2021-07-20T13:59:33 < ventyl> i assume that HW will be worn out well before apps stop supporting me 2021-07-20T15:22:42 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T15:40:39 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-20T15:58:40 < jadew> this guy has a nice gig (link will pollute your feed with hot stuff): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQGNAdNhxCM 2021-07-20T16:09:08 -!- funky [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T16:09:57 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by funky))] 2021-07-20T16:10:02 -!- funky is now known as Streaker 2021-07-20T16:13:01 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T16:34:37 < Steffanx> You like plastic, jadew. I know this might be common in romania, but.. meh ;) 2021-07-20T16:35:21 < jadew> T+20, jeff bezos in his rocket: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERLTF1xV-dY 2021-07-20T16:37:48 < jadew> Steffanx, I'm not a fan of plastic, but I would drink from it 2021-07-20T16:38:26 < jadew> I wish I found that feed before it started 2021-07-20T16:38:49 < jadew> Musk was probably watching it hoping it would blow up 2021-07-20T16:39:33 < jadew> oh, and they landed the rocket too 2021-07-20T16:39:37 < jadew> just like spacex 2021-07-20T16:41:45 < jadew> has Musk been to space? 2021-07-20T16:42:18 < jadew> maybe he can launch himself in that tesla he was planning to put into space 2021-07-20T16:49:13 < jadew> Commies are upset about Bezzos' trip. According to their logic, he spent their money lol: https://newrepublic.com/article/162928/richard-branson-jeff-bezos-space-blue-origin 2021-07-20T16:49:38 < jadew> "Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, and Elon Musk are spending billions to go to space, using money and resources that belong to the people." 2021-07-20T16:52:24 < jadew> the USA is so fucked. I see a communism driven famine in their future. 2021-07-20T16:59:11 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T17:10:13 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T17:11:46 < Steffanx> Sending people to space for 15 seconds is boring already 2021-07-20T17:12:34 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/gallery/Q99KRKk 2021-07-20T17:12:48 < bitmask> for anyone interested, i combined most of my images from my cloud chamber build into one album 2021-07-20T17:14:06 < Steffanx> Need to order them the other way around :P 2021-07-20T17:14:21 < Steffanx> Or tell people to start at the bottom 2021-07-20T17:15:45 < bitmask> meh 2021-07-20T17:22:37 < benishor> bitmask: pics from functioning? 2021-07-20T17:23:19 < bitmask> not yet, i only tried it once and it didnt get cold enough, close but not quite there. My room was also 31C at the time so i think i'll be ok on a cooler day or in a room that the AC actually gets to 2021-07-20T17:28:58 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-20T17:29:16 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T17:30:25 < jadew> bitmask, I thought you're going to show us some radiation 2021-07-20T17:30:52 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-20T17:31:02 < bitmask> working out a few kinks 2021-07-20T18:00:26 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T18:00:26 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-20T18:02:04 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-20T18:11:25 < brdb> for those who have used the CAN periph, i'm getting stuck on waiting for the STM32 to set the INAK bit in CAN_MSR after requesting init mode via setting INRQ in CAN_MCR. i've made sure the GPIOs are setup right with the right AF and even tried pulling the RX pin high externally to make sure this works but nada. triple checked the rcc periph clocks for CAN, required GPIO, etc. are set 2021-07-20T18:11:53 < brdb> this is wildly infuriating with how simple it is and it still failing. somehow, somewhere they're forgetting to mention something about what else CAN needs to init 2021-07-20T18:12:23 < brdb> on the f0 it shares the interrupt with CEC and some SRAM with USBFS 2021-07-20T18:14:44 < srk> there's a bit in some CAN reg that can be used to put it into loopback internally so you can completely rule out pins/af 2021-07-20T18:15:56 < srk> there's like one or two version of bxcan accross whole device range so it should work everywhere if you have good driver, not sure about interrupts 2021-07-20T18:15:58 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-20T18:16:54 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T18:26:03 < brdb> no dice on setting that prior to INRQ :/ 2021-07-20T18:27:56 < brdb> oh my god im so stupid 2021-07-20T18:28:26 < brdb> trying to debug things at 1-2 am resulted in me calling the lower level init function prior to initalizing the actual rcc periph clocks 2021-07-20T18:28:28 < brdb> it's working now 2021-07-20T18:28:54 < srk> yay \o/ 2021-07-20T18:47:58 < PaulFertser> Fucking "Do's" are so lengthy and complex compared to "Don't's" https://testing.googleblog.com/2019/11/code-health-respectful-reviews-useful.html The price you pay for respect eh? 2021-07-20T18:53:21 < jadew> first one is "DO: Assume competence." - pretty big assumption to make 2021-07-20T18:53:27 < jadew> what happened to never make assumptions? 2021-07-20T18:58:41 < jadew> "don't criticize the person" aka "don't tell them their code is shit, tell them the code is shit." 2021-07-20T19:00:15 < jadew> I think google is either hiring lots of snowflakes or a snowflake is writing those guidelines 2021-07-20T19:00:22 < jadew> DON’T: Use harsh language. Code review comments with a negative tone are less likely to be useful. For example, prior research found very negative comments were considered useful by authors 57% of the time, while more-neutral comments were useful 79% of the time. 2021-07-20T19:00:56 < jadew> who gives a shit weather they considered it useful or not. what they should have measured is weather it got the point across and if it made a difference 2021-07-20T19:01:32 < jadew> making it cozy for idiots seems like the wrong approach here 2021-07-20T19:02:08 < jadew> you're so dumb that code reviews make you feel bad? fucking quit and let someone competent fill your position 2021-07-20T19:04:38 < PaulFertser> jadew: are you talking from a personal experience? Were you involved in routine code reviews in your job or hobby before? 2021-07-20T19:04:50 < jadew> if I received that list, I would puke on my keyboard and quit right after 2021-07-20T19:04:53 < jadew> PaulFertser, I was, yes 2021-07-20T19:05:27 < jadew> it make the assumption that the programmers are socially inept 2021-07-20T19:05:39 < jadew> (that list) 2021-07-20T19:07:21 < Steffanx> More-neutral != cosy 2021-07-20T19:07:38 < jadew> why would you want it to be neutral tho? 2021-07-20T19:07:45 < Steffanx> Its not that hard to make some more neutral. 2021-07-20T19:07:47 < jadew> if someone constantly pisses you off, you have to show it 2021-07-20T19:08:00 < Steffanx> Ok. Fuck you jadew. 2021-07-20T19:08:04 < PaulFertser> jadew: from my experience reviewing patches from OpenOCD I got an impression it's usually better for the project to kinda follow guidelines like that. It doesn't cost anything (you can mechanically transform your thoughts to this "snowflake"-speak) but it does help to get more contributions. And I do _not_ have a feeling people that can be easily offended never provide anything useful. 2021-07-20T19:08:13 < jadew> if you don't, then you're going to pay the price for someone else's mistakes 2021-07-20T19:08:24 < jadew> Steffanx, see? it wasn't so hard. 2021-07-20T19:08:46 < Steffanx> This was more neutral. It was going to be even worse 😋 2021-07-20T19:09:05 < jadew> PaulFertser, well, being offensive just for the sake of it, isn't ok either 2021-07-20T19:09:20 < jadew> and that person will get naturally punished anyway 2021-07-20T19:09:47 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-20T19:09:49 < jadew> the point is that we already know how to communicate extremely well 2021-07-20T19:10:21 < jadew> nobody needs this kindergarten approach to regulating what it basically is... speech 2021-07-20T19:10:44 < PaulFertser> jadew: the problem is that different people have different sets of "offensive things". So why not play it safe and try to not offend as many as reasonably possible? 2021-07-20T19:10:47 < Steffanx> You always talk bitchy so you write bitchy too? 2021-07-20T19:10:52 < jadew> if you want to make a useful list, suggest what resource to be linked in the comments 2021-07-20T19:11:02 < Steffanx> I wouldnt want to work with you jadew ;) 2021-07-20T19:11:41 < PaulFertser> See jadew , you already pissed off a very talented potential contributor to your business ;) 2021-07-20T19:11:52 < jadew> Steffanx, I'm going over my head to be understanding when it comes to team work 2021-07-20T19:12:00 < Steffanx> And im not sure if we really know how to communicate well, jadew 2021-07-20T19:12:01 < PaulFertser> Imagine how awesome it would be to spend all your time on cool RF magic and let Steffanx do the dirty stm32 work. 2021-07-20T19:12:44 < Steffanx> Especially in the autistic engineering world. 2021-07-20T19:13:29 < jadew> PaulFertser, I would rather be honest and upfront, and deal only with people that are able to resonate with that, rather than have to deal with lies and misdirection, and have the hassle of keeping appearances up 2021-07-20T19:14:22 < jadew> people who can't take or give criticism don't make for good team mates 2021-07-20T19:14:38 < PaulFertser> jadew: that's one approach, quite possibly it works nicely in certain niches; I think Linus used to be like that. 2021-07-20T19:16:13 < jadew> thing is, you would only use this kind of persuasive language with people who can't admit when they are wrong or stupid 2021-07-20T19:16:21 < jadew> those are the worst kind of people to work with 2021-07-20T19:16:45 < PaulFertser> It can work well for a small high-profile command too, but you'd be somewhat limited with personell choices. It seems like many high-performance autists can be quite touchy or hard to deal with but still worth time spent on "pacifying" them. 2021-07-20T19:18:11 < jadew> don't know... I feel like I can work with any kind of personality. I just don't have a good tolerance for BS 2021-07-20T19:26:59 < jadew> Steffanx, why do you think you wouldn't like to work with me? 2021-07-20T19:27:46 < jadew> because I wouldn't accept the kind of nonsense in that list? 2021-07-20T19:29:27 < Steffanx> If you only expect other to change, then I probably wouldnt enjoy it. No ;) 2021-07-20T19:29:32 < Steffanx> Others* 2021-07-20T19:29:45 < jadew> who said I expect only others? 2021-07-20T19:29:59 < jadew> I think I cued in the fact that I expect equally honest reviews 2021-07-20T19:30:10 < jadew> why would I want anything other than the straight truth? 2021-07-20T19:30:29 < Steffanx> You said you prefer to keep up your bitchy (you never used this word I know) game. 2021-07-20T19:30:58 < Steffanx> You can tell the truth without being agressieve, bitchy or whatever. 2021-07-20T19:31:20 < Steffanx> And sure you can be, but.. only when its neccessary. Not ALWAYS. 2021-07-20T19:31:23 < jadew> I didn't claim otherwise, but if I want to be bitchy, I want to be able to be bitchy. This is what I'm defending. 2021-07-20T19:32:04 < jadew> and my claim is not only that it's healthy to be able to do that, but also required and desirable in many instances. 2021-07-20T19:33:01 < jadew> because sometimes the accumulation of sourness against someone has the perfectly fine effect of pushing that person off the team/out of the company 2021-07-20T19:33:11 < jadew> it works out for everyone 2021-07-20T19:34:41 < jadew> forcing people to be nice to each other is the most absurd thing ever 2021-07-20T19:35:27 < jadew> this is the worst side effect of the PC culture 2021-07-20T19:35:43 < jadew> well, maybe not the worst, but it's up there 2021-07-20T19:39:33 < jadew> Steffanx, you disagree? 2021-07-20T19:56:38 < Steffanx> No, as long as bitchy is not your default mode 2021-07-20T19:57:02 < jadew> what made you think that it is? 2021-07-20T19:57:57 < Steffanx> Idk. My interpretation skills 2021-07-20T19:58:09 < jpa-> to me that list seems good 2021-07-20T19:58:41 < jpa-> it doesn't forbid criticism, it gives good advice on how to format it to achieve results 2021-07-20T19:59:21 < jpa-> saying things in a bitchy way often doesn't achieve anything 2021-07-20T19:59:22 < jadew> it pampers people's feelings 2021-07-20T19:59:54 < jadew> why is bitchy the go to? 2021-07-20T20:00:02 < jpa-> sure, and that is good, because people have different sensitivies independent of their ability to code 2021-07-20T20:00:07 < jadew> or is normal speak bitchy? 2021-07-20T20:00:34 < jadew> jpa-, people deal with each other's sensitivities all the time 2021-07-20T20:00:48 < jpa-> and sometimes they deal with them badly 2021-07-20T20:01:04 < jadew> and when that happens, someone grows 2021-07-20T20:01:09 < jpa-> not really 2021-07-20T20:01:12 < jadew> there's no downside to it 2021-07-20T20:01:25 < jpa-> often what happens that people feel bad and company loses a programmer 2021-07-20T20:01:42 < jadew> I see that as a negative feedback loop 2021-07-20T20:02:17 < jpa-> i can see your point about a selection process, and that would be fine if there was an plentiful supply of competent programmers 2021-07-20T20:02:42 < jadew> you're making it sound like people are not tolerant at all 2021-07-20T20:02:52 < jpa-> there is not, so it makes sense not to drive out the sensitive ones just because they are sensitive - often they can be pretty good exactly because they take their own defiencies hard 2021-07-20T20:03:00 < jadew> people leaving or getting upset over this stuff would only happen in extreme situations 2021-07-20T20:03:21 < jadew> where either people are emotionally sick, and the rest of the group don't have to carry the burden 2021-07-20T20:03:27 < jpa-> the examples on that page are not extreme, i can agree with that - real code reviews can be much worse 2021-07-20T20:03:36 < jadew> or someone is excessively mean, in which case that person is most likely to get the boot 2021-07-20T20:04:20 < jpa-> why not write a list of examples that helps the excessively mean person be less mean? 2021-07-20T20:04:32 < jadew> because fuck them 2021-07-20T20:04:42 < jadew> why teach an asshole how to be a covert asshole? 2021-07-20T20:04:45 < jpa-> and simultaneously helps the other party communicate better so that they are not left alone with their anxiety 2021-07-20T20:04:57 < jpa-> because then they can be a functional part of the workplace 2021-07-20T20:05:23 < jadew> I have serious doubts that a few rules on how to write something, will hold someone back from being disruptive 2021-07-20T20:05:26 < jpa-> companies are full of covert assholes, and that is fine as long as they do their job and don't ruin the workplace for others 2021-07-20T20:06:12 < jadew> assholes that don't bother others are not assholes tho 2021-07-20T20:06:19 < jpa-> not if they really want to be mean, but a lot of people are not expert on being nice.. and many programmers struggle with social situations, and that kind of lists are exactly what programmers can follow 2021-07-20T20:07:01 < jadew> I really think it's disrespectful 2021-07-20T20:07:13 < jpa-> you are offended by the list of how to avoid offending people? :) 2021-07-20T20:07:15 < jadew> like I said earlier, it make the assumption that they're socially inept 2021-07-20T20:07:38 < jadew> jpa-, I would be offended if it was given to me, yeah hehe 2021-07-20T20:07:53 < jpa-> how would you write such a list so that it could help those that *are* socially inept, but wouldn't hurt jadew 2021-07-20T20:07:56 < jpa-> 's feelings? 2021-07-20T20:09:05 < jadew> I would only focus on the technical aspects and let the social part play out normally 2021-07-20T20:09:38 < jadew> it wouldn't be my place to police how my teammates or employees are interacting with each other 2021-07-20T20:09:56 < jpa-> i guess i wouldn't want to work at your company :) 2021-07-20T20:10:19 < jadew> you don't like freedom of expression? 2021-07-20T20:10:45 < jpa-> no, i don't think it belongs to workplace 2021-07-20T20:11:03 < jadew> some forms do, others don't 2021-07-20T20:11:05 < jpa-> similarly with political views, i think it is important that people can express them, but i don't think it belongs at workplace 2021-07-20T20:11:18 < jadew> but that's dictated by the social group 2021-07-20T20:11:47 < jpa-> small teams and small companies often work without such written rules, because everyone knows everybody 2021-07-20T20:11:57 < jadew> jpa-, why not? if people feel like talking about politics, why limit their freedom on that? 2021-07-20T20:12:01 < jpa-> it gets very different at the scale of google and similar 2021-07-20T20:12:16 < jadew> so in a bigger company you behave like on the street 2021-07-20T20:12:25 < jpa-> jadew: because it does not make the company perform better, and can make it perform worse 2021-07-20T20:13:06 < jadew> I doubt everyone behaving normal would have any downsides 2021-07-20T20:13:22 < jadew> in fact, you can look at google and that programmer who was fired for wrong speak 2021-07-20T20:13:25 < jadew> then the media backlash 2021-07-20T20:13:42 < jadew> I would say that's pretty bad, and it wouldn't have happened if people weren't thought policed 2021-07-20T20:13:50 < jadew> what was the benefit of that? 2021-07-20T20:14:09 < jpa-> probably every company over 100 people has several good employees that do not fit your idea of "normal" 2021-07-20T20:14:34 < jadew> that's fine, and the social group sets their own boundaries 2021-07-20T20:15:05 < jadew> it's really silly to think that someone with a pen and a piece of paper can come up with a list that replaces millions of years of evolution 2021-07-20T20:15:37 < jpa-> it's really silly to think that millions of years of evolution make things work well in a very specific context that has only existed for less than 50 years 2021-07-20T20:16:02 < jadew> people have worked together since the beginning of time - we are social animals 2021-07-20T20:16:27 < jadew> and we're are perfectly capable of setting limits, knowing what they are and punishing those that cross them accordingly 2021-07-20T20:16:32 < Steffanx> And people have killed each other for just as long for not bring able to work together 2021-07-20T20:16:41 < jadew> exactly 2021-07-20T20:16:41 < Steffanx> Or just because. 2021-07-20T20:16:50 < Steffanx> Lets work with jadew and kill him 2021-07-20T20:17:08 < jadew> well that would be illegal, but you could get me fired if I pissed everyone off 2021-07-20T20:17:23 < jadew> if I only pissed you off and everyone else likes me, then tough luck 2021-07-20T20:17:26 < jpa-> you seem to also think that the list is some kind of golden rule that is forced upon employees; to me it just appears like a list of tips by a small group - i don't get why you are so offended by some google employee giving their view on how code reviews work well 2021-07-20T20:17:53 < jadew> jpa-, I'm not offended - it wasn't made for me 2021-07-20T20:18:35 < jadew> but I think it's a stupid list that is disrespectful and counter productive 2021-07-20T20:19:13 < jadew> people who get a little power they tend to abuse it, and I think that list is the result of that 2021-07-20T20:19:38 < jadew> the same thing can be seen in some coding guidelines 2021-07-20T20:24:07 < Steffanx> I have a more important question: did you finish the picologger clone + desktop software yet? 2021-07-20T20:24:13 < Steffanx> ;) 2021-07-20T20:24:51 < jadew> :) 2021-07-20T20:25:10 < jpa-> Steffanx: now you are being mean and we will have to fire you 2021-07-20T20:25:59 < jadew> you know, I would have probably done that if I felt the slightest need for something like that, but it turns out I don't need it 2021-07-20T20:26:45 < jadew> when I needed to log temperature, I just used my DMM 2021-07-20T20:29:29 < bitmask> i just saw alpha particles! 2021-07-20T20:29:58 < jadew> pics or it didn't happen 2021-07-20T20:30:09 < jadew> did it knock on the glass too? :P 2021-07-20T20:31:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T20:31:14 < jadew> what did it look like? had a straight trajectroy? 2021-07-20T20:31:21 < jadew> *trajectory 2021-07-20T20:31:48 < jadew> also, how did you know it was alpha - is that all it can detect? 2021-07-20T20:31:58 < bitmask> im not quite there yet, i need to get the vapor denser, it doesnt happen often enough, alpha particles are short and straight and thick 2021-07-20T20:32:12 < bitmask> it can detect protons and beta particles too 2021-07-20T20:32:25 < jadew> neat 2021-07-20T20:32:35 < bitmask> im not sure how to tell the difference between alpha and proton though, guess proton is just smaller 2021-07-20T20:32:53 < bitmask> its not sensitive enough at the moment to detect beta 2021-07-20T20:33:11 < jadew> what do you have that emits protons by themselves? 2021-07-20T20:33:31 < bitmask> i dont have anything, just saw it in a video 2021-07-20T20:34:05 < bitmask> I wish my americium was here, it may have gotten lost in the mail 2021-07-20T20:34:56 < jadew> buy a smoke detector 2021-07-20T20:35:44 < jadew> I didn't know protons can be emitted by themselves - got a link for that? 2021-07-20T20:36:29 < bitmask> why buy a whole smoke detector when i just want the am241 from it? thats where it came from originally 2021-07-20T20:36:45 < bitmask> but the guy is just selling the am241 from them 2021-07-20T20:37:36 < jadew> is what your building similar to what Pierre Curie made? 2021-07-20T20:38:26 < jadew> probably not, I think that one was mainly detecting electricity of some sort 2021-07-20T20:38:40 < bitmask> no idea 2021-07-20T20:48:36 < bitmask> shit, i think i realized whats going on 2021-07-20T20:49:10 < bitmask> i need to seal the compartment because it looks like the air current from the radiator fans are sucking the vapor into the box 2021-07-20T20:49:27 < bitmask> so the vapor is moving around a lot 2021-07-20T20:56:12 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-20T21:01:51 < bitmask> no idea how to caulk but lets give it a go 2021-07-20T21:08:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-72-115-21.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T21:39:28 < bitmask> so much for having a nice looking cloud chamber :P 2021-07-20T21:40:32 < machinehum> My ex LL decided that it costed my entire damage deposit (1.2k CAD) + extra to fix some bent blinds, little sliding shit closet things and 2" of wood trim 2021-07-20T21:40:40 < machinehum> Just tore him a new asshole 2021-07-20T21:41:08 < bitmask> getting it back? 2021-07-20T21:41:22 < machinehum> Nah he's going to talk to the owner or some shit 2021-07-20T21:41:26 < bitmask> ahh 2021-07-20T21:41:33 < machinehum> He's like "you have to pay extra" 2021-07-20T21:41:39 < machinehum> Like fuck off dude that's not a thing 2021-07-20T21:43:00 < bitmask> hmm, i forgot that i meant to print a small piece of this outer shell first before printing the whole thing to make sure it fits, lets hope it fits... 2021-07-20T21:43:29 < bitmask> guess i'll know in 2.5 hours 2021-07-20T22:01:28 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-20T22:21:34 < bitmask> damn 2021-07-20T22:21:45 < bitmask> fog is definitely denser although still moving, but i think its just not cold enough 2021-07-20T22:28:45 < kakium69> -27C you need 2021-07-20T22:30:39 < kakium69> your chamber aspect ratio is quite different from what I have seen 2021-07-20T22:32:11 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/uQC0PFZPhv0 2021-07-20T22:32:49 < bitmask> I think once i hit the temperature i'll be good 2021-07-20T22:33:07 < bitmask> might have to seal the chamber a little better but thats not a problem 2021-07-20T23:03:16 < bitmask> do be doobie doo 2021-07-20T23:03:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-72-115-21.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-20T23:08:53 < kakium69> maybe a movie 2021-07-20T23:21:12 < bitmask> wtf, my calipers are breaking 2021-07-20T23:21:49 < bitmask> when i go over like 100mm the numbers start going crazy 2021-07-20T23:22:12 < bitmask> even going negative 2021-07-20T23:22:16 < kakium69> change battery 2021-07-20T23:22:24 < kakium69> it will fix it 2021-07-20T23:22:44 < kakium69> rake my word for it 2021-07-20T23:22:54 < kakium69> take? 2021-07-20T23:23:17 < bitmask> i just did change battery like a week ago 2021-07-20T23:23:23 < bitmask> nice try though 2021-07-20T23:23:26 < bitmask> your word means nothing! 2021-07-20T23:23:30 < kakium69> ! 2021-07-20T23:23:47 < kakium69> then it's truly failing 2021-07-20T23:23:52 < kakium69> maybe clean it 2021-07-20T23:31:16 < bitmask> hmm, popped battery out and put back in, seems to be ok now 2021-07-20T23:33:10 < kakium69> look for any signs of corrosion 2021-07-20T23:33:23 < bitmask> dont see anything 2021-07-20T23:33:32 < bitmask> maybe the battery was just seated weird 2021-07-20T23:39:12 < bitmask> damnit, i gotta suck it up and just add a second peltier, this is gonna be a bitch 2021-07-20T23:41:09 < kakium69> stack? 2021-07-20T23:41:16 < bitmask> im just not sure my water cooler can handle two 2021-07-20T23:41:31 < bitmask> the peltier im using is stacked internally, im not sure i can stack more 2021-07-20T23:43:01 < bitmask> i guess testing the two peltiers side by side will be easy enough, i have a spare copper plate 2021-07-20T23:43:24 < kakium69> have you tested it in open air? 2021-07-20T23:43:31 < bitmask> tested what 2021-07-20T23:43:32 < kakium69> what surface temperature can be reached? 2021-07-20T23:43:41 < bitmask> the one peltier? 2021-07-20T23:43:44 < kakium69> with some sensor placed right at the surface 2021-07-20T23:43:44 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-20T23:43:57 < bitmask> i forget, i wanna say like -35 2021-07-20T23:55:29 < aandrew> ooh nice to know 2021-07-20T23:55:37 < aandrew> dig TXT +short o-o.myaddr.l.google.com @ns1.google.com 2021-07-20T23:55:43 < aandrew> get your public IP from the CLI 2021-07-20T23:57:00 < bitmask> cloud chamber break, gonna do some hydro dipping --- Day changed Wed Jul 21 2021 2021-07-21T00:19:32 < bitmask> grrr, i cant find my elastic 2021-07-21T00:25:45 < Steffanx> Whats your favourite dip, bitmask ? 2021-07-21T00:27:01 < bitmask> 7 layer and shrimp 2021-07-21T00:52:49 < karlp> aandrew: curl whatsmyip.com too iirc 2021-07-21T00:53:08 < karlp> hrm, not quite... 2021-07-21T00:53:10 * karlp retries 2021-07-21T00:56:11 < karlp> dig myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com is robably a little easier 2021-07-21T00:56:57 < karlp> wget -qO - icanhazip.com 2021-07-21T00:57:10 < aandrew> icanhazip hahaha 2021-07-21T00:57:14 < kakium69> 8celsius yaiks 2021-07-21T00:57:16 < karlp> curl icanhazip.com is even simpler 2021-07-21T00:57:37 < karlp> curl ipecho.net/plain too. 2021-07-21T01:01:21 < englishman> there was a blogpost by the icanhazip guy a short while ago 2021-07-21T01:01:47 < englishman> he had to hand over control because he couldn't handle the traffic. even with mostly donated services 2021-07-21T01:02:18 < englishman> https://major.io/2021/06/06/a-new-future-for-icanhazip/ 2021-07-21T01:02:43 < englishman> I found it interesting. 2021-07-21T01:05:54 < kakium69> 35billion requests :o 2021-07-21T01:07:50 < kakium69> 2petabytes monthly 2021-07-21T01:08:19 < kakium69> of basically malware traffic 2021-07-21T01:08:42 < kakium69> just malware figuring out the public ip 2021-07-21T01:12:12 < aandrew> that's incredible 2021-07-21T01:13:36 < karlp> wow, thanks for that 2021-07-21T01:30:20 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-21T01:34:25 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-21T01:34:41 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T01:49:57 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/VD2BE4p.jpg 2021-07-21T01:50:05 < bitmask> not bad but the other side is a bit worse 2021-07-21T01:52:05 < kakium69> what a weird piece 2021-07-21T01:52:11 < kakium69> looks like a moped gas tank 2021-07-21T01:52:16 < kakium69> but no 2021-07-21T01:52:28 < bitmask> its called a speed shape, its just a good shape to test designs on 2021-07-21T01:52:58 < kakium69> not sure if moped tank or some sort of ergonomic seat 2021-07-21T01:53:33 < kakium69> (un)ergonomic 2021-07-21T01:54:16 < kakium69> usually ergonomic means it's unergonomic 2021-07-21T01:54:29 < kakium69> applies to all things ergonomic 2021-07-21T01:57:20 < bitmask> trying to decide between that pattern and this one: https://i.imgur.com/Hd9mdhE.png?1 2021-07-21T01:57:42 < karlp> fucking. seek thermal app no longer saves pictures. saves videos, but not pics. worked at first, then I _think_ it got upset at nextcloud autouploading the pictures, and now it's just _not_ saving pics anymore. 2021-07-21T02:15:46 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-21T02:24:03 < bitmask> grrr, gf's mom doesnt want me using chemicals in the house, didnt realize she was home 2021-07-21T02:24:14 < bitmask> why does this hydro film activator gotta be so smelly 2021-07-21T02:34:12 < karlp> ok, uninstall, delete dirs, restart phone, reinstall, all works again 2021-07-21T02:35:59 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T02:39:05 < karlp> looks like this radiator is a bit busted, doesn't use the whole thing: https://nc.beeroclock.net/s/BM4CBCBaTKc6y4c 2021-07-21T02:40:30 < kakium69> so slow 2021-07-21T02:41:11 < kakium69> me not wait for link to open 2021-07-21T02:43:15 < karlp> hrm, shouldn't be slow... 2021-07-21T02:43:19 * karlp checks... 2021-07-21T02:44:06 < kakium69> karlp: your radiator has air 2021-07-21T02:44:21 < kakium69> likelly 2021-07-21T02:44:52 < karlp> an orangepi in a plastic case, looking in the slot. learning what's IR refelctive and what's not... https://nc.beeroclock.net/s/KQFYSMS9qQKb6Qn 2021-07-21T02:45:25 < kakium69> I have hard time believing anything else could block big radiator like that 2021-07-21T02:45:31 < kakium69> than air 2021-07-21T02:45:41 < karlp> like, standing in front of a glass door, and getting my reflection, rather than what's outside.... https://nc.beeroclock.net/s/ewDDorfYwGMjnSX 2021-07-21T02:53:53 < sauce> worth noting that glass is quite opaque to wavelengths past a couple um also 2021-07-21T02:54:02 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-21T02:55:24 < karlp> that case on the oranepi is also transparent "plastic" but completely impervious. 2021-07-21T02:55:57 < karlp> I have another odroid running 24/7, so the case has warmed up to steady state, it's different, but that one was a fresh turn on of a cold device. 2021-07-21T03:00:31 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T03:08:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-21T03:13:25 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-21T04:04:18 < machinehum> How would I bill an American client 2021-07-21T04:04:39 < machinehum> Just wire from their account into my Canadian account? 2021-07-21T04:04:49 < machinehum> And then somehow report that to the CRA? 2021-07-21T04:04:57 < machinehum> taxes... 2021-07-21T04:11:44 < englishman> yes 2021-07-21T04:11:59 < englishman> I suggest having a USD account 2021-07-21T04:12:20 < englishman> there are a couple accounting practices concerning how to deal with multiple currencies 2021-07-21T04:13:04 < englishman> depending on whether or not you want to hold those currencies 2021-07-21T04:13:14 < englishman> and how much data you want to process 2021-07-21T04:13:39 < englishman> I also suggest talking to a bean counter 2021-07-21T04:13:47 < englishman> they will make you a lot of money 2021-07-21T04:32:22 < jadew> machinehum, you issue an invoice and tell them where you want the money 2021-07-21T04:32:25 < jadew> that's it 2021-07-21T04:34:46 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T04:35:58 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-21T04:44:46 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T05:07:09 -!- R2COM1 [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T05:07:38 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-21T05:22:29 < machinehum> coo 2021-07-21T05:22:42 < machinehum> I have an American account, but's it's a personal account 2021-07-21T05:22:57 < machinehum> I have a personal Canadian account, and Canadian buisness account 2021-07-21T05:23:25 < machinehum> Idk I just said zeele or whatever the fucking yankee etransfer is to personal or wire to my Canadian buisness 2021-07-21T05:23:30 < machinehum> First invoice out 2021-07-21T05:23:33 < machinehum> Might get paid 2021-07-21T05:23:36 < machinehum> Maybe 2021-07-21T05:45:24 -!- 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ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-21T09:40:42 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-21T10:10:17 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T10:22:21 < zyp> I have multiple currency accounts in my business accounting, shit's easy 2021-07-21T10:29:44 < zyp> every transaction in a foreign currency also get an associated NOK amount and any discrepancies between NOK and foreign balances can later be settled as capital gains or losses 2021-07-21T10:32:23 < zyp> e.g. if I sell something for 100 EUR = 990 NOK and later buy something for 100 EUR = 1010 NOK, the account will be sitting at 0 EUR / -20 NOK, and this is corrected by filing capital gains of 20 NOK 2021-07-21T10:37:19 < zyp> then again, it works the same way even when not having currency accounts 2021-07-21T10:39:38 < zyp> e.g. if I file an invoice for X USD, paid with my credit card at Y NOK, accounting system goes «X USD at ideal exchange rate for this date is Z NOK, difference between Y and Z are capital gains/losses» 2021-07-21T10:43:17 < zyp> accounting system handles most of the magic as long as I give it the right numbers to work with 2021-07-21T11:10:14 < tct> so $customer pays money to implement hardware JPEG decoder support 2021-07-21T11:10:24 < tct> then $customer pays money to implement their stuff 2021-07-21T11:10:33 < tct> then it turns out that they don't need JPEGs anywhere. 2021-07-21T11:10:47 < tct> :( 2021-07-21T11:11:48 < zyp> well, as long as they paid 2021-07-21T11:12:30 < tct> I don't care about money 2021-07-21T11:18:44 < ventyl> integrity is futile, we will waste your time 2021-07-21T11:25:57 -!- yukam [~yukam@2a00:1370:8125:f3e8:3951:b244:8857:30b5] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-21T11:31:37 -!- yukam [~yukam@109.252.105.62] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T11:47:39 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@8.40.111.71] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T11:50:14 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T11:50:42 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-21T11:50:54 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-21T11:55:13 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T12:10:13 -!- bitrot [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T12:13:54 -!- rajkohaxor [~rajkosto@8.40.111.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-21T12:15:31 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-21T12:16:14 < jpa-> machinehum: transferwise has worked fine for me 2021-07-21T12:21:01 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T12:30:10 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T14:12:45 < zyp> yeah, that's what I also use for foreign currency accounts 2021-07-21T14:19:20 < jpa-> i also have USD valued account at my local bank, but it sucks; for some reason they don't support doing anything with it on the web, and i have to do all transfers by contacting their customer service 2021-07-21T14:21:05 < ventyl> probably because the cobol shit, the bank runs does not support it 2021-07-21T14:33:30 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-21T14:36:10 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T15:01:30 -!- brdb [~alarm@c-73-218-240-52.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-21T15:02:42 -!- brdb [~alarm@c-73-218-240-52.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T16:22:49 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T17:25:11 -!- gsz [~gsz@static-87-101-68-196.leon.com.pl] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T17:28:56 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-21T17:30:53 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T17:34:12 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T17:41:10 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T17:49:50 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-21T18:00:03 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T18:00:03 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-21T18:01:41 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-21T18:38:06 < bitmask> https://imgur.com/a/vH7ml7s 2021-07-21T18:39:35 < bitmask> its like twice as tall as it needs to be but oh well :P 2021-07-21T18:39:45 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-21T18:43:35 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T18:49:27 -!- gsz [~gsz@static-87-101-68-196.leon.com.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2021-07-21T19:11:03 < tct> am I looking at a herbs grinder? 2021-07-21T19:11:16 < tct> oh, there is a picture below the first one. 2021-07-21T19:11:34 -!- bitrot [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-21T19:11:35 < tct> neat container 2021-07-21T19:14:18 < bitmask> thx, i need more radioactive stuff to fill it with 2021-07-21T19:14:21 < machinehum> TBH this invoice is only for 500$ so I'm not super concerned, but if it's ever over 1G I'll do it all proper 2021-07-21T19:14:49 < machinehum> jpa-: Thanks I'll look into transferwise 2021-07-21T19:16:20 -!- yukam [~yukam@109.252.105.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-21T19:17:08 < tct> bitmask, would there be any reason to worry about storing multiple different types of radioactive materials in the same container? 2021-07-21T19:17:23 < tct> bitmask, also, I take it that this container is utterly useless to contain gamma radiation? 2021-07-21T19:17:35 < tct> I'm just asking because I have little to no experience handling radioactive substances 2021-07-21T19:22:30 -!- yukam [~yukam@109.252.105.32] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T19:22:44 < bitmask> i dont think mixing sources matters as long as you dont have a a lot of stuff that has radon in its decay chain. I think lead can stop gamma rays depending on how thick the lead is and how much energy the rays have. my sources are pretty mild and i dont think the gamma ray production is very high or energetic. im not 100% sure on all this but i bought a cheap geiger counter which can detect beta particles and gamma rays and i 2021-07-21T19:22:44 < bitmask> just read background radiation levels when the container is closed 2021-07-21T19:25:04 < tct> alright 2021-07-21T19:51:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-21T19:56:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T20:12:15 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-21T20:33:56 < bitmask> anyone know of a program that you can draw like cad with real dimensions and print from there to make templates true to size? its annoying having to export a sketch in fusion360 as dxf and then loading that in something like inkscape 2021-07-21T20:52:50 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/PxlNL99.png The selected (blue) part is the edge of a 80x40x2mm copper plate and under that is the water block for a closed loop cpu water cooler and on top are two 40x40mm peltiers. Think the 2mm thick copper plate is an okay size to pass on the heat from the peltiers to the water block? 2021-07-21T20:54:42 < tct> bitmask, freecad 2021-07-21T20:54:56 < bitmask> i'll try it, thanks 2021-07-21T21:01:13 < tct> bitmask, the learning curve is somewhat steep compared to premium/proprietary CAD solutions 2021-07-21T21:02:31 < bitmask> i just wanna be able to draw rectangles and circles mainly, just to create drill templates 2021-07-21T21:05:18 < ventyl> it seems that water block of CPU cooler covers almost all the surface of peltiers 2021-07-21T21:06:32 < ventyl> i would make the copper plate an union of peltier footprint and water block footprint, so it touches both of them at maximum possible surface. this way the transfer resistance will be minimal 2021-07-21T21:08:26 < bitmask> i see, i guess i was thinking that not all of the water block is actually useful since the part in contact with water is probably about the same size as 1 peltier, but i guess heat transfer of copper is good enough that its worth making the union as you say 2021-07-21T21:08:37 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-21T21:08:59 < kakium69> hello 69'ers 2021-07-21T21:16:34 < jadew> kakium69, why not do that in inkscape directly? 2021-07-21T21:17:06 < kakium69> yes 2021-07-21T21:17:17 < jadew> you don't have constraints tho 2021-07-21T21:17:23 < kakium69> all you need is inkscape 2021-07-21T21:17:37 < jadew> oh, bitmask was asking 2021-07-21T21:17:39 < jadew> sorry 2021-07-21T21:17:41 < jadew> hehe 2021-07-21T21:18:36 < bitmask> inkscape is a pain, maybe its better in windows, i'll try on vm 2021-07-21T21:18:57 < kakium69> no difference 2021-07-21T21:19:07 < jadew> I'm quite happy with it 2021-07-21T21:19:16 < jadew> but then again, I never used AI or any of the pro tools 2021-07-21T21:31:25 < qyx> bitmask: draftsight, qcad no good? 2021-07-21T21:31:56 < qyx> those are 2D though 2021-07-21T21:32:01 < bitmask> havent heard of em, i'll take a look thx 2021-07-21T21:32:06 < bitmask> 2d is perfect 2021-07-21T21:35:05 < kakium69> I have qcad pro 2021-07-21T21:35:10 < kakium69> it's the bestest 2021-07-21T21:35:44 < qyx> qcad trial is okish, like pro, annoying countdown tho 2021-07-21T21:35:55 < qyx> qcad free is like pro without dwg and some other stuff 2021-07-21T21:44:28 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-21T22:00:07 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-21T22:01:40 < kakium69> qcad pro is little money 2021-07-21T22:02:00 < kakium69> for cad that is the most useful and easy to use 2021-07-21T22:02:42 < bitmask> i need my plate to get 5C colder, should I add a second TEC side by side of the same one, or should I get a lower power one and stack it? 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Miley Cyrus has a special voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn2wkAZDWs8 2021-07-22T02:58:41 < jadew> I think she's here to stay 2021-07-22T03:03:06 < jadew> reminds me of Marianne Faithfull 2021-07-22T03:03:35 < jadew> maybe Miley will come out with a jazz album too 2021-07-22T03:07:02 < jadew> lol man.. the titles these magazines come up with: "Marianne Faithfull preferred reading to having sex with Sir Mick Jagger" 2021-07-22T03:45:04 < Mangy_Dog> nearly finished this ui https://imgur.com/a/qhoWVEz 2021-07-22T03:45:24 -!- flatmush [~benbrewer@82-69-13-96.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-22T03:48:08 < bitmask> i need my plate to get 5C colder, should I add a second TEC side by side of the same one, or should I get a lower power one and stack it? 2021-07-22T03:51:04 -!- flatmush [~benbrewer@82-69-13-96.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T03:52:14 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-22T04:13:36 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-07-22T04:22:43 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T04:24:01 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T05:26:35 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-22T05:32:56 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I wasn't able figure out, where it expects to find compile_commands.json 2021-07-22T09:37:23 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-22T09:42:36 < jadew> stupid cable prices... I have to buy the absolute minimum and not screw up when I make the cables 2021-07-22T09:47:46 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T09:57:18 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-22T09:57:48 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T10:01:42 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-22T10:11:03 < jadew> ffs... cheapest cable I found is $1/cm 2021-07-22T10:11:20 < jadew> $1.1 to be more precise and that's before tax 2021-07-22T10:11:30 < jadew> so... $1.3 2021-07-22T10:11:38 < ventyl> what kind of cable? 2021-07-22T10:11:51 < jadew> some not very common coaxial shit 2021-07-22T10:12:15 < jadew> I need about two meters :/ 2021-07-22T10:25:45 < Streaker> the very expensive coax is typically for GHz frequencies and thus for very short runs 2021-07-22T10:26:11 < Streaker> so I wonder - what are you doing that requires two meters. 2021-07-22T10:26:35 < jadew> I'm rewiring a piece of test gear 2021-07-22T10:26:49 < jadew> and I hope it's just two meters 2021-07-22T10:26:57 < Streaker> oh so many short pieces totalling two meters 2021-07-22T10:27:02 < jadew> yeah 2021-07-22T10:30:11 < jadew> oh well, at least it's available 2021-07-22T11:34:16 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-22T11:55:19 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T12:27:06 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-22T12:36:47 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-22T12:39:42 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T12:50:23 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T13:10:10 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T13:36:11 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-22T13:36:16 -!- PaulFertser_ [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T13:37:10 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T13:40:12 < jadew> https://youtu.be/_fEVHx-m_YA?t=143 2021-07-22T13:41:02 < jadew> pharmacy chain lost 160 shops in 48 hours... 2021-07-22T13:41:40 < jadew> I see food shortages ahead 2021-07-22T13:41:52 < jadew> nobody in their right mind is going to restock anytime soon 2021-07-22T13:43:05 < jadew> if they get police protection, then whoever is back in business first is bound to make a lot of money 2021-07-22T13:55:10 < ventyl> well, people are broke, but stuff I see they are looting are mostly large electric appliances... and these are not refrigerators 2021-07-22T13:56:06 < jadew> everyone knows that flat screen TVs have lots of calories 2021-07-22T13:57:31 < jadew> also, being broke is not an excuse to behave like that, that's how you stay broke 2021-07-22T13:57:35 < ventyl> first food I can see is... sugar water 2021-07-22T14:01:09 < ventyl> well, if you are broke your whole life, you don't have a clue about value of things. you have most probably never calculated value of supplies in terms of how long you have to work to be able to buy them 2021-07-22T14:01:25 < ventyl> which is part of their problem 2021-07-22T14:03:43 < jadew> it's also possible that they don't need those stores 2021-07-22T14:04:16 < jadew> perhaps they are self sufficient and the stores are just something extra they can do without, in which case it makes sense to loot them if there are no consequences 2021-07-22T14:04:27 < ventyl> that's definitely statement which will get tested in follwing days 2021-07-22T14:05:13 < ventyl> related to this, I am curious, how much is armed robbery prevalent in UK 2021-07-22T14:05:18 < ventyl> lolrence could know this 2021-07-22T14:05:51 < jadew> there are probably stats on that 2021-07-22T14:08:39 < ventyl> well, given the absolute intolerance of firearms in UK, the number shall be 0 2021-07-22T14:08:50 < ventyl> surprisingly, it isn't 2021-07-22T14:08:57 < ventyl> but numbers are blurred 2021-07-22T14:10:07 < ventyl> ok, there it is 2021-07-22T14:10:31 < ventyl> Possesion of weapons offense: 43831 2021-07-22T14:10:43 < ventyl> now, the question is, what is being considered a weapon in UK 2021-07-22T14:10:47 < ventyl> is screwdriver a weapon? 2021-07-22T15:10:26 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-22T15:31:39 < englishman> aren't butter knives considered weapons in uk 2021-07-22T15:32:13 < englishman> pretty much anything can be, depending on the intent 2021-07-22T15:46:04 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-22T16:04:47 < mawk> in france it's a different offense englishman 2021-07-22T16:04:50 < mawk> weapon and weapon-by-intent 2021-07-22T16:04:57 < mawk> run over someone with your car = weapon by intent 2021-07-22T16:05:00 < mawk> shoot with a pistol = weapon --- Log closed Thu Jul 22 16:18:09 2021 --- Log opened Thu Jul 22 16:18:17 2021 2021-07-22T16:18:17 -!- jpa-_ [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T16:18:17 -!- Irssi: ##stm32: Total of 72 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 72 normal] 2021-07-22T16:18:18 -!- Irssi: Join to ##stm32 was synced in 7 secs 2021-07-22T16:18:44 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-22T16:18:45 -!- tkoskine [tkoskine@kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-22T16:18:45 -!- ds2 [~ds2@162-194-129-85.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-22T16:18:46 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-20-134.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-22T16:18:46 -!- jpa- [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-22T16:18:46 -!- con3 [~con3@143.198.53.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-22T16:18:47 -!- tkoskine [tkoskine@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T16:19:07 < jadew> "With the money Bezos spent on 11 minutes into space, he could have stayed a whole weekend at the Romanian sea side resorts." 2021-07-22T16:19:25 < MangyDog> mini map scan zoom in and our pretty much done now. Just a couple of bigs to figure out and smooth off some transisions between stages https://imgur.com/gallery/DNingqC 2021-07-22T16:19:25 -!- con3 [~con3@2604:a880:4:1d0::be:d000] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T16:19:45 -!- ds2 [~ds2@162-194-129-85.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T16:20:23 < jadew> MangyDog, is this part of your comic con costume? 2021-07-22T16:20:28 < MangyDog> lol 2021-07-22T16:20:32 < MangyDog> i dont go to comic con 2021-07-22T16:20:38 < MangyDog> but it is a prop toy thing 2021-07-22T16:21:02 < jadew> I would go as Data with that thing 2021-07-22T16:21:11 < MangyDog> :p 2021-07-22T16:21:25 -!- MangyDog is now known as Mangy_Dog 2021-07-22T16:21:43 < jadew> when you see a hot chick you can go like "complex life found, further investigation required!" 2021-07-22T16:21:50 < jadew> "Area of interest detected." 2021-07-22T16:21:58 < Mangy_Dog> lol 2021-07-22T16:35:32 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-20-134.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T16:38:34 < ventyl> i have this -> https://imgur.com/OVl65Zx 2021-07-22T16:38:53 < ventyl> minimap certainly not implemented yet 2021-07-22T16:47:45 < jadew> I have this -> http://188.25.73.249/stuff/20210722_164421_.jpg 2021-07-22T16:47:49 < jadew> maybe we can join forces 2021-07-22T16:50:02 < ventyl> sure thing 2021-07-22T16:50:22 < jadew> you can toggle it with "M" 2021-07-22T16:56:07 < tct> lol 2021-07-22T16:56:11 < jadew> did you press M? 2021-07-22T16:57:16 < jadew> ventyl, press M 2021-07-22T16:59:14 < ventyl> M 2021-07-22T16:59:19 < jadew> http://188.25.73.249/stuff/20210722_165424_.jpg 2021-07-22T17:00:40 < ventyl> :D 2021-07-22T17:08:42 -!- PaulFertser_ is now known as PaulFertser 2021-07-22T17:10:10 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-22T17:15:16 -!- You're now known as jpa- 2021-07-22T17:15:54 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-22T17:17:26 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T18:01:07 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-22T18:01:07 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T18:02:45 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-22T18:34:28 < englishman> how do i get a java applet to work in 2021? 2021-07-22T18:34:39 < englishman> looks like even firefox has deprecated npapi plugins? 2021-07-22T18:34:57 < englishman> it's a Keysight function generator webinterface :) 2021-07-22T18:42:50 < englishman> oh nice, html5 version with a firmware update. how nice of them 2021-07-22T18:55:20 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T19:02:23 < Steffanx> Wrong channel Mangy_Dog 2021-07-22T19:02:41 < Mangy_Dog> ? 2021-07-22T19:02:41 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-22T19:11:42 < mawk> ?? 2021-07-22T19:11:42 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-22T19:11:46 < mawk> whose bot is that 2021-07-22T19:12:00 < mawk> who's czech here 2021-07-22T19:13:06 < PaulFertser> ?freedom 2021-07-22T19:13:07 < xnand> freedom is slavery 2021-07-22T19:29:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-22T19:33:56 < Steffanx> You used old ##stm32 Mangy_Dog 2021-07-22T19:35:07 < MrMobius> ##stm8? 2021-07-22T19:35:07 < xnand> Commands: cache decide nar 2021-07-22T19:35:45 < specing> > 2021-07-22T19:35:47 < specing> Highly active question. 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The reputation requirement helps protect this question from spam and non-answer activity. 2021-07-22T19:36:00 < specing> Last poster posted in december of 2017 2021-07-22T19:36:02 < specing> lmao 2021-07-22T19:38:56 < Mangy_Dog> loll heh yeah 2021-07-22T19:39:02 < Mangy_Dog> i realised then posted here 2021-07-22T19:39:36 < specing> Where is laurencer? 2021-07-22T19:52:10 -!- ldisc [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-22T19:59:51 < Steffanx> B& 2021-07-22T20:01:29 < specing> this channel will never be the same without laurencer 2021-07-22T20:01:34 < specing> what will we do 2021-07-22T20:02:32 < englishman> improve 2021-07-22T20:08:15 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-22T20:23:42 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@37.45.146.1] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Spirit5321!~Spirit532@178.127.94.110))] 2021-07-22T20:23:47 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.94.110] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T20:56:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T21:03:43 < Steffanx> You can be his replacement specing 2021-07-22T21:28:48 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T21:42:34 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T22:35:07 < PaulFertser> Found Steffanx's $job https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/microsoft-autonomous-beach-cleaning-robot/ . Who the hell leaves cigarette butts on the beach?! I thought only poorly educated russians do that. 2021-07-22T22:36:12 < zyp> if you're dumb enough to smoke, you're probably not far off from dumb enough to litter 2021-07-22T22:36:47 < aandrew> PaulFertser: there are boorish people everywhere in the world 2021-07-22T22:37:41 * karlp actually _wishes_ people still threw out butts. so much more pleasant to pick up than the janky nicotine pouches that are all the rage here now. 2021-07-22T22:38:00 < zyp> haha 2021-07-22T22:38:29 < PaulFertser> wtf are nicotine pouches? 2021-07-22T22:38:34 < zyp> snus 2021-07-22T22:38:48 < zyp> or whatever it's called in other languages 2021-07-22T22:39:24 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus 2021-07-22T22:39:43 < PaulFertser> Some people here consume naswar 2021-07-22T22:39:52 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-22T22:40:18 < aandrew> wtf is that like dip but fancier? 2021-07-22T22:40:39 < zyp> not sure what dip is 2021-07-22T22:40:42 < karlp> zyp: it's actually these here now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine_pouch 2021-07-22T22:40:46 < karlp> ie, nicotine, but no tobacco 2021-07-22T22:40:50 < aandrew> zyp: basically snus but without the fucking tea bags 2021-07-22T22:41:05 < zyp> snus comes without bags too 2021-07-22T22:41:06 < karlp> (this actually gets around EU wide bans apparently, and nice white "clean" instead of "brown dirty" 2021-07-22T22:41:24 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T22:41:32 < zyp> heh 2021-07-22T22:41:48 < zyp> does it stink like snus? 2021-07-22T22:42:24 < karlp> no idea, 2021-07-22T22:42:35 < karlp> probably depends which flavour of "alpine mint" or equally trash you picked 2021-07-22T22:42:54 < karlp> but they stay wet and janky on playgounds way more than a igarette butt does. 2021-07-22T22:43:20 < karlp> we have a chain opened up wiht ~5 dedicated shops to this shit now, all openeed in the lsat 18months 2021-07-22T22:43:20 < aandrew> yeah I can see that being more gross than cigarette butts 2021-07-22T22:43:33 < zyp> haha 2021-07-22T22:43:59 < karlp> we're having problems with them skirting advertising laws too. 2021-07-22T22:44:07 < karlp> skanky janky cuntish bullshit products. 2021-07-22T22:44:31 < karlp> vaping seems to be on the way out agian though, in general. 2021-07-22T22:45:25 < PaulFertser> Do you really have enough morons to not only use those pouches but also to spit them out at random places rather than a trash can? :( 2021-07-22T22:46:21 < karlp> of course, like aandrew said, morons are a global species, not restricted to russia :) 2021-07-22T22:48:05 < PaulFertser> I think they mostly follow what's customary in a certain area, so if you somehow made it common to not litter then even morons would mostly refrain. 2021-07-22T22:48:49 < qyx> I though icelanders are one of the bestest beople 2021-07-22T22:49:25 < aandrew> PaulFertser: no that is not what I see at all 2021-07-22T22:50:00 < aandrew> MOST people are actually decent and will hold on to trash to throw out in a proper place, but there is some base level of fuckwit 2021-07-22T22:50:12 < PaulFertser> btw, of all civilised places I had an opportunity to visit, the Israel was the dirtiest :( 2021-07-22T22:50:42 < aandrew> I didn't notice that israel was particularly dirty, but it is kind of desolate in general 2021-07-22T22:50:53 < aandrew> lots of concrete and sand and very little vegetation 2021-07-22T22:51:06 < PaulFertser> There's plenty of litter on city and town streets. Unlike what I saw in e.g. Germany. 2021-07-22T22:51:23 < qyx> offtopic, to gain another 10 bits of range I need a 1000x amp, that is 60 dB, does I? 2021-07-22T22:52:11 < aandrew> *another* ten bits? 2021-07-22T22:52:31 < qyx> log2(max(x) - min(x)) is 14 bits now 2021-07-22T22:52:34 < aandrew> that must be some insanely small signal already if you've lost over ten bits 2021-07-22T22:52:51 < qyx> FSR is 24 bits 2021-07-22T22:52:55 < qyx> so yeah 2021-07-22T22:59:52 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-22T23:08:10 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Just saw "MDMA Introduction" in the ToC of the RM when starting to prepare for some worky-work 2021-07-23T13:20:39 < jpa-> which limits the use of scatter-gather DMA to peripherals that are either slow or have internal FIFO 2021-07-23T13:21:46 < jpa-> (one can workaround that by using DMA1 or DMA2 as a FIFO for the other peripherals, but that is so crazy stuff that they must have been on MDMA when coming up with that) 2021-07-23T13:28:42 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T13:44:22 < tct> it's gonna be interesting 2021-07-23T13:44:28 < tct> lots of multi-channel audio streaming going on here 2021-07-23T14:04:26 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-23T14:10:50 < zyp> the bad parts of getting FPGA experience is that such restrictions seems silly when going back to microcontrollers 2021-07-23T14:12:11 < zyp> I hope we'll see more efpga stuff eventually 2021-07-23T14:15:11 < ventyl> in retrospective, automotive renesas parts used to be according to spec 2021-07-23T14:15:22 < ventyl> and those, who usually fucked up were HAL providers 2021-07-23T16:07:59 < jpa-> ST parts conform pretty well to spec, it's just that specs are silly sometimes 2021-07-23T16:31:46 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T17:12:38 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-23T17:21:47 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2021-07-23T17:22:06 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T17:33:29 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T17:44:38 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-23T17:54:29 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T17:59:40 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T17:59:40 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-23T18:01:16 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-23T18:34:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T19:10:54 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-23T19:11:46 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-23T19:13:04 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T19:13:45 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-23T19:13:49 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T19:15:51 -!- atorgue [~atorgue@165.225.77.129] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T19:17:57 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-23T19:18:44 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@user/coldkeyboard] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-23T19:58:54 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T20:20:04 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T20:24:30 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::801c] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-07-23T20:33:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T20:47:08 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-23T20:58:10 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::1f64] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T21:23:36 -!- grindhold [~quassel@mail.skarphed.org] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2021-07-23T21:38:50 < qyx> industrial pros, have you even seen *shielded* M8 sensor cables? 2021-07-23T21:41:56 < zyp> like this? https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us/?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=1521630&library=usen&pcck=P-18-01-01&tab=1&selectedCategory=ALL 2021-07-23T21:44:05 -!- grindhold [~quassel@mail.skarphed.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T21:49:54 < qyx> exactly 2021-07-23T21:50:37 < zyp> yw 2021-07-23T21:52:53 < qyx> but meh, because they don't have version with connectors on both ends 2021-07-23T21:53:52 < zyp> which connectors do you need? 2021-07-23T21:54:38 < zyp> male/female? https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us/?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=1455285&library=usen&pcck=P-18-01-01&tab=1&selectedCategory=ALL 2021-07-23T21:56:03 < qyx> found it https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us/?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=1455722&library=usen&pcck=P-18-01-01&tab=1&selectedCategory=ALL 2021-07-23T21:56:12 < qyx> wtf their search doesn't work 2021-07-23T21:56:22 < zyp> works for me 2021-07-23T21:56:34 < qyx> I used it and didn§t find anything 2021-07-23T22:01:43 < qyx> https://www.phoenixcontact.com/online/portal/us/?uri=pxc-oc-itemdetail:pid=1543359&library=usen&pcck=P-10-01-01&tab=1&selectedCategory=ALL 2021-07-23T22:01:49 < qyx> oh INTERBUS is the key 2021-07-23T22:02:29 < qyx> %$^&% 60 € for a 2 m cable 2021-07-23T22:04:08 < zyp> haha, yeah, they're not cheap 2021-07-23T22:04:24 < t4nk_freenode> gotta support honest local business though 2021-07-23T22:20:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T22:36:00 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@108.207.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-23T22:51:39 < qyx> but not 60 2021-07-23T22:52:10 < qyx> degson m12 cables are about 10e --- Day changed Sat Jul 24 2021 2021-07-24T00:15:00 -!- sync [~sync@sync-hv.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-24T00:15:16 -!- sync [~sync@sync-hv.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T00:15:37 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::1f64] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-07-24T00:20:54 < GenTooMan> finding any honest business these days is miraculous to be fair. 2021-07-24T00:30:04 < kakium69> sounds like an oxymoron anyhow 2021-07-24T01:09:46 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T01:42:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T01:52:38 < GenTooMan> not really it's just rare because people have bought into money is more important than anything. 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And that's also why Linus told them 'fuck you nvidia' 2021-07-24T09:55:05 < R2COM> firstly, none of problems mentioned above i observed in win10 2021-07-24T09:55:22 < ventyl> like, it works, but no official support for it 2021-07-24T09:55:24 < R2COM> secondly, Linus is a retard who failed to make usable OS 2021-07-24T09:55:35 < Xogium> well of course not ! What do you think ? Nvidia cares about windows 2021-07-24T09:55:54 < Xogium> as for Linus, he doesn't make OS 2021-07-24T09:56:18 < R2COM> yes, he made kernel i kno rite? 2021-07-24T09:56:36 < R2COM> the os made by some other dudes who cant communicate properly with each other 2021-07-24T09:56:50 < R2COM> and made diarhea of 100000 of linux os distros 2021-07-24T09:56:52 < R2COM> anyway 2021-07-24T09:56:57 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T09:57:03 < Xogium> well, whatever 2021-07-24T09:57:08 < R2COM> what im saying is... its problematic, not even in unix 2021-07-24T09:57:15 < Xogium> nvidia doesn't care about linux or unix, end of story 2021-07-24T09:57:17 < R2COM> but in linux threads i see same problems here and there 2021-07-24T09:57:20 < Xogium> there's nothing to be done 2021-07-24T09:59:23 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T10:00:28 < R2COM> if radeon gets better in future ill buy it 2021-07-24T10:00:33 < ventyl> as if there wasn't a diarrhea of bsd distributions, each having it's own kernel and development model 2021-07-24T10:00:45 < R2COM> how many bsd distros can you name? 2021-07-24T10:00:47 < R2COM> quantity? 2021-07-24T10:00:57 < ventyl> i could probably find about 20 2021-07-24T10:01:06 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T10:01:13 < R2COM> could...probably... probably not 2021-07-24T10:01:15 < R2COM> <10 2021-07-24T10:01:20 < R2COM> is more real 2021-07-24T10:01:28 < R2COM> and now.... ----> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution#/media/File:Linux_Distribution_Timeline_Dec._2020.svg 2021-07-24T10:01:34 < R2COM> how is that? 2021-07-24T10:01:43 < ventyl> how does that even matter? 2021-07-24T10:01:56 < R2COM> that is what idiotic linux community with a degenerate linus was busy with 2021-07-24T10:02:03 < R2COM> building shit distro one looking to another 2021-07-24T10:02:32 < ventyl> after all it boild down to debian and derivates, redhat and derivates, arch and derivates and slackware and derivates 2021-07-24T10:02:51 < Xogium> can you even stop trolling for 5 minutes ? 2021-07-24T10:03:08 < R2COM> im not trolling 2021-07-24T10:03:12 < Xogium> yes you are 2021-07-24T10:03:20 < ventyl> maybe he is just regular prick 2021-07-24T10:03:23 < Steffanx> Hes not trolling. Hes serious. Xogium 2021-07-24T10:03:43 < R2COM> see, Steffanx knows 2021-07-24T10:03:51 * Xogium shrugs 2021-07-24T10:03:53 -!- Xogium [~Xogium@LuminaSensum/founder/Xogium] has left ##stm32 [leaving channel] 2021-07-24T10:03:54 < Steffanx> Yeah, and best is just to move on :P 2021-07-24T10:04:08 < Steffanx> Not like THAT, lol 2021-07-24T10:04:11 < ventyl> the thing is: it is here, it lives and your bitching can do nothing about it. most probably nobody cares about it 2021-07-24T10:04:50 < R2COM> i just wanted to run some experiments with some graphics lib 2021-07-24T10:04:59 < ventyl> and you failed lol :) 2021-07-24T10:05:21 < R2COM> so i downloaded the lib, and compiled it, then mated it with dx12 under MSVC in win10 and ran the graph window 2021-07-24T10:05:26 < R2COM> which means, i can now move on 2021-07-24T10:05:27 < R2COM> then 2021-07-24T10:05:37 < R2COM> i decided to kinda replicate this, but on unix, with vulkan 2021-07-24T10:05:41 < R2COM> on same PC with nvidia 2021-07-24T10:05:50 < R2COM> and I failed there, yes 2021-07-24T10:06:09 < ventyl> and you never heard of fishy nvidia approach to unix before, right? 2021-07-24T10:06:28 < R2COM> so even though nvidia driver installed OK and works, vulkan is still not functioning, even its diagnostic app gives errors 2021-07-24T10:06:35 < R2COM> and not much sources to get help from 2021-07-24T10:06:37 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T10:07:29 < ventyl> and now, please tell me how Unix can be responsible for non-working Vulkan, if Vulkan is as close to the metal as possible while retaining some abstraction? 2021-07-24T10:07:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-24T10:07:38 < R2COM> so what im trying to point out is, from the technical point of view Nvidia card performs very well 2021-07-24T10:07:42 < ventyl> so probably all of the code related to your use case is provided by nvidia? 2021-07-24T10:07:45 < R2COM> and i see no issues on win10 2021-07-24T10:07:58 < R2COM> im not saying its responsible 2021-07-24T10:08:23 < R2COM> i just said: "no matter what you do, doing some graphics related programming on unix system is still not well supported at all nowadays" 2021-07-24T10:08:26 < R2COM> makes sense? 2021-07-24T10:08:56 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T10:09:10 < R2COM> so nvidia made driver for Vulkan 2021-07-24T10:09:15 < R2COM> its latest driver supports vulkan 2021-07-24T10:09:23 < R2COM> and I managed to get it installed on system in unix 2021-07-24T10:09:26 < ventyl> well, drawing conclusions from single case... 2021-07-24T10:09:37 < R2COM> but still cant run basic vulkan app (or even diagnostics) 2021-07-24T10:09:42 < ventyl> does it support Vulkan *officially* ? 2021-07-24T10:09:49 < R2COM> yes 2021-07-24T10:09:55 < ventyl> because, it does support UEFI, just not *officially* 2021-07-24T10:10:32 < R2COM> https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/171982/en-us 2021-07-24T10:11:07 < ventyl> so, i have a laptop, where nvidia graphics works in UEFI mode on mac and windows, it works in legacy mode in linux, but fails to find any display output on linux in UEFI mode 2021-07-24T10:11:23 < ventyl> even is other people with same graphics and same nvidia drivers are able to use it in UEFI on linux 2021-07-24T10:12:23 < ventyl> nvidia responded that UEFI was never officially suppported, so this can't be a bug 2021-07-24T10:13:18 < R2COM> anyway 2021-07-24T10:14:03 < R2COM> so i setup some stuff to work on unix, but... I am not sure how practical it would really be 2021-07-24T10:14:25 < R2COM> but that might be fine, however... high end graphics stuff etc 2021-07-24T10:14:34 < R2COM> definitely not working smooth there 2021-07-24T10:14:55 < R2COM> not sure how it would be with radeon and its open source drivers 2021-07-24T10:14:56 < R2COM> havent tried 2021-07-24T10:14:58 < R2COM> maybe better 2021-07-24T10:15:29 < R2COM> i didnt buy radeon yet cuz i still think they are a bit inferior to nvidia 2021-07-24T10:15:36 < R2COM> at least in 4k performance for sure 2021-07-24T10:15:47 < ventyl> i think that this is not true with latest generation or two 2021-07-24T10:15:55 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T10:16:00 < ventyl> and they are on par or maybe radeon being a bit better 2021-07-24T10:16:21 < ventyl> unless you fall for nvidia marketing in that you **need** raytracing 2021-07-24T10:16:22 < R2COM> im saying that latest gen still lags from nvidia in 4k performance, 2021-07-24T10:16:34 < R2COM> by small margin though 2021-07-24T10:16:50 < ventyl> like, you have 85 vs. 80 fps? :) 2021-07-24T10:16:57 < ventyl> anything above 60 is unimportant 2021-07-24T10:17:14 < R2COM> depends for what 2021-07-24T10:17:29 < R2COM> for competetive shooting games or space flying sims it IS important 2021-07-24T10:17:40 < R2COM> i can feel difference between 60 and 85 2021-07-24T10:18:07 < ventyl> well, good luck then 2021-07-24T10:18:08 < R2COM> you can feel it especially in VR experience 2021-07-24T10:18:28 < ventyl> well VR is different, there it is known that you need high framerate at or above 60 2021-07-24T10:18:36 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T10:18:49 < R2COM> i have valve index vr 2021-07-24T10:19:14 < ventyl> i would say, that latency and it's consistency is more important than actual framerate 2021-07-24T10:20:07 < R2COM> https://github.com/ocornut/imgui 2021-07-24T10:20:12 < R2COM> and this is what i was trying 2021-07-24T10:20:23 < R2COM> and works perfectly in win10 with dx12 2021-07-24T10:21:23 < R2COM> so fuckit ill setup stuff i need in win10 2021-07-24T10:21:53 < R2COM> win10 rocks basically 2021-07-24T10:22:04 < R2COM> just wish it gave freedom to install own window manager 2021-07-24T10:22:10 < ventyl> so it fails with freebsd / vulkan combo only? 2021-07-24T10:22:11 < R2COM> tiling 2021-07-24T10:22:16 < R2COM> yes 2021-07-24T10:22:27 < ventyl> and works with opengl/es ? 2021-07-24T10:22:36 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T10:22:39 < R2COM> i didnt try opengl backend 2021-07-24T10:22:41 < R2COM> and dont want to 2021-07-24T10:22:46 < R2COM> the whole purpose was vulkan 2021-07-24T10:22:56 < R2COM> i dont want to deal with opengl 2021-07-24T10:23:13 < ventyl> well, the matter is, that given the close to the metal nature of vulkan, maybe you stumbled upon a bug in the library 2021-07-24T10:23:26 < ventyl> try win10 / vulkan combo then 2021-07-24T10:24:08 < R2COM> its not going to give me any info in terms of troubleshooting issue on freebsd+vulkan 2021-07-24T10:24:17 < R2COM> and using vulkan on win10 makes no sense 2021-07-24T10:24:39 < R2COM> what i was saying that "vulkaninfo" failed even 2021-07-24T10:24:51 < R2COM> its basically program you run to "check helalth" of your vulkan tools 2021-07-24T10:25:03 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T10:25:03 < R2COM> so vulkan is not working on freebsd+nvidia 2021-07-24T10:25:06 < R2COM> is a base problem 2021-07-24T10:26:10 < ventyl> ok then 2021-07-24T10:27:06 < R2COM> theres not much community motivation for this bugs to be investigated and pushed through 2021-07-24T10:28:13 < ventyl> that's a closed circle powered by comfort. people won't investigate it, because they want to be comfortable, companies don't want to invest money into support, because there is not enough users for the investment to pay off 2021-07-24T10:28:22 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T10:29:30 < ventyl> two decades ago people were like: I put this heavilly unsupported setup together and made running on it. I can't get my video on, but oh man, I can telnet google on it 2021-07-24T10:30:13 < ventyl> nowaday people are like: OMG Gimp is so shit, I can't do with it so I won't use it at all 2021-07-24T10:31:23 < R2COM> two decades ago: linux is unsupported pain in the ass 2021-07-24T10:31:30 < R2COM> 2021: linux is unsupported pain in the ass 2021-07-24T10:33:14 < R2COM> in terms of desktop 2021-07-24T10:34:20 < R2COM> the only thing linus got right is GIT i guess 2021-07-24T10:34:20 < ventyl> hm, actually, last week I installed linux on random newly bought machine 2021-07-24T10:34:48 < ventyl> I haven't checked HW compatibility specifically with linux except of graphics card, where the only rule was that it must not be nvidia 2021-07-24T10:35:25 < R2COM> there snothing else other than GPU and sound 2021-07-24T10:35:30 < ventyl> i installed linux on it like partition disk, next, next, next, type in hostname, next, next, all, next, next, type in root password, next, next, yes, next, next, reboot 2021-07-24T10:35:56 < R2COM> yeah , some shitty PC with standard peripherals 2021-07-24T10:36:10 < R2COM> Linux does not support ANY of my peripherals 2021-07-24T10:36:24 < R2COM> like my sound card (theres driver but it works like shit... it chirps etc... lol) 2021-07-24T10:36:27 < ventyl> IDK how standard peripheral is determined 2021-07-24T10:36:50 < R2COM> my logitech keyboard, moouse, gamepad, joystick, valve index, AE-7 soundcard 2021-07-24T10:37:03 < R2COM> its all cool and expencive hardware 2021-07-24T10:37:43 < ventyl> hm, the mobo is gamerz stuff 2021-07-24T10:38:04 < ventyl> keyboard ditto, rest is mostly picked up out of trashcan 2021-07-24T10:38:16 < ventyl> especially GPU, I am not willing to pay today prices even for 2nd hand cards 2021-07-24T10:38:22 < R2COM> trash OS for trashcan PCs, agree 2021-07-24T10:39:27 < R2COM> i have nothing against unix (or proper successor, freebsd) but just saying that its not that desktopish 2021-07-24T10:39:52 < R2COM> and linux is just a unix ripoff made by some dick 2021-07-24T10:39:56 < ventyl> well, I can't find any substantial difference between Win10 and Linux in desktop experience 2021-07-24T10:40:05 < ventyl> all the comfort stuff just works the same for me 2021-07-24T10:40:27 < ventyl> sometimes linux is even more consistent than windows 2021-07-24T10:40:31 < R2COM> it doesnt work for some expecnive peripherals 2021-07-24T10:40:53 < R2COM> im not talking about your shitty $20 kb/mouse setup 2021-07-24T10:41:01 < R2COM> or builtin garbage sound card 2021-07-24T10:41:30 < ventyl> oh, well 2021-07-24T10:41:47 < ventyl> i'll donate you my audiophile, good luck making it work with windows :) 2021-07-24T10:42:11 < R2COM> what audiophile? 2021-07-24T10:42:20 < ventyl> original audiophile usb 2021-07-24T10:42:26 < R2COM> what is that 2021-07-24T10:42:28 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T10:42:29 < srk> lol R2COM 2021-07-24T10:42:51 < srk> better start buying some quality hardware 2021-07-24T10:42:53 < ventyl> it can be made working, just the situation will be the opposite 2021-07-24T10:43:02 < R2COM> btw where is dongs? that nigger is gone or what 2021-07-24T10:43:05 < ventyl> in linux it just works, in windows you have to frankenstein the driver 2021-07-24T10:43:32 < R2COM> wtf hardware you talking about 2021-07-24T10:43:36 < R2COM> what is that shit? 2021-07-24T10:44:17 < R2COM> I have SoundBlaster AE-7 + Audio Technica headphones, is it not pro enough? 2021-07-24T10:44:17 < ventyl> m-audio audiophile 2021-07-24T10:44:27 < srk> sb surely is pro :D 2021-07-24T10:44:38 < ventyl> it used to be used for music recording 2021-07-24T10:44:57 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T10:45:32 < srk> focusrite hw works out of box, except you can't configure some features that need their special app (like direct audio routing) 2021-07-24T10:46:03 < R2COM> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224486316531?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=224486316531&targetid=1263433205014&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9030101&poi=&campaignid=13917593254&mkgroupid=128459921161&rlsatarget=pla-1263433205014&abcId=9300613&merchantid=112164645&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9O6HBhCrARIsADx5qCRQmAHEYbNbOQTFu3KS_ADMq4lIkXMqX2FUbquPOdNszD4A8zJ8-5QaAhjLEALw_wcB 2021-07-24T10:46:08 < R2COM> is that the shit yo utalking about?> 2021-07-24T10:46:44 < ventyl> usb version of it 2021-07-24T10:47:23 < R2COM> that looks like some old ass stupid shit 2021-07-24T10:47:44 < ventyl> well, it is old, but well built with quality and wide ADC/DAC 2021-07-24T10:47:47 < srk> how do you get pci when you only have usb or pcie? 2021-07-24T10:48:08 < ventyl> thus can still outperform many "pro" cards of newer builds 2021-07-24T10:48:30 < R2COM> what exactly DAC 2021-07-24T10:48:49 < srk> I would gladly buy pro PCI iface instead of new expensive usb ones :P 2021-07-24T10:49:01 < R2COM> Creative Sound Blaster AE-7 2021-07-24T10:49:03 < R2COM> $218 2021-07-24T10:49:20 < R2COM> 27 dB DNR hi-res 32-bit / 384 kHz playback via ESS SABRE-class 9018 DAC 2021-07-24T10:49:39 < R2COM> audio-technical headphones are like >$250 2021-07-24T10:49:51 < ventyl> R2COM: dunno, if you are interested, find the spec yourself 2021-07-24T10:49:52 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T10:50:14 < R2COM> so wait wait... you just been bragging about quality of the shit you listed and dont know specs? 2021-07-24T10:50:34 < R2COM> but you mentioned it as some cool ass HW which runs on your lunix and not working OK on windows 2021-07-24T10:50:45 < ventyl> i forgot which specific DAC is used. I know that upper limit is like 24 bit at 192 kHz stereo 2021-07-24T10:51:00 < R2COM> AE-7 is 32bit 384khz 2021-07-24T10:51:03 < ventyl> actual limitation is USB, so if you want to use multiple inputs / outputs at the same time, you have to downrate it 2021-07-24T10:51:13 < R2COM> lol 2021-07-24T10:51:20 < R2COM> you just described shitty designed piece of HW 2021-07-24T10:51:34 < R2COM> no wonder its not working on windows cuz its shit on its own 2021-07-24T10:51:38 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T10:51:39 < ventyl> it is from USB 1 era, USB 2 didn't exist back when this was designed 2021-07-24T10:52:12 < R2COM> yeah so win10 not going to support that shit 2021-07-24T10:52:22 < R2COM> i mean, manufacturers didnt write drivers either 2021-07-24T10:52:38 < R2COM> so what im saying is, all latest HW comes with proper win10 support 2021-07-24T10:53:09 < R2COM> uh 2021-07-24T10:53:13 < R2COM> its late im going to sleep 2021-07-24T10:54:43 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T10:57:09 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T11:00:12 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-24T11:01:11 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T11:04:16 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T11:06:45 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T11:08:58 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T11:11:30 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T11:13:58 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T11:20:50 < Steffanx> I finally know what you have been up to tct 2021-07-24T11:20:57 < Steffanx> Music time https://youtu.be/NMZLKwa4_aI 2021-07-24T11:27:35 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T11:30:18 < zyp> jpa-, do you happen to know of any cortex-m that supports data trace via ETM, not just program trace? 2021-07-24T11:30:36 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T11:37:36 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T11:40:13 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T11:43:04 < jpa-> zyp: no, i don't 2021-07-24T11:50:04 < qyx> oh r2com, must have been juicy chats 2021-07-24T12:16:43 < tct> Steffanx, ok 2021-07-24T12:17:02 < Steffanx> Lol. So cheerful 2021-07-24T12:19:43 < Steffanx> Sup mr tct 2021-07-24T12:19:52 < tct> meh 2021-07-24T12:19:53 < tct> there? 2021-07-24T12:20:45 < Steffanx> Same 2021-07-24T12:55:58 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T14:41:53 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-24T15:07:59 < MrMobius> how many flash banks do the f0 parts have? 2021-07-24T15:34:01 < kakium69> I have had no problems 2021-07-24T15:34:23 < kakium69> ah I was in backlogs about nvidia+lunix 2021-07-24T15:34:39 < kakium69> nvm 2021-07-24T15:37:16 < Steffanx> But commie uses freebsd. 2021-07-24T15:38:04 < ventyl> salted by fair amount of selfishism 2021-07-24T15:40:01 < Steffanx> MrMobius: I would say 1. But I'm not sure if there happens to be some dual bank one (i recall there isn't one) 2021-07-24T15:40:39 < Steffanx> I would almost say Narcissism, ventyl 2021-07-24T15:42:35 < ventyl> well, whatever 2021-07-24T15:55:50 < Steffanx> Hah 2021-07-24T16:49:38 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T16:52:18 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T17:13:57 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T17:15:03 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T17:15:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-24T17:34:12 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T17:54:42 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-24T17:59:44 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T17:59:44 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-24T18:01:21 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-24T18:07:18 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T18:15:52 < bitmask> oh copper, how i hate you 2021-07-24T18:31:06 < jpa-> coppy, copper, coppest 2021-07-24T18:31:24 < R2COM> anyone used jetbrains clion 2021-07-24T18:35:07 < R2COM> i wonder if that "scoop" thingy for win10 is good 2021-07-24T18:45:37 < bitmask> ugh, my hand hurts 2021-07-24T18:45:38 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/YNGt0R3.png 2021-07-24T18:46:47 < pjb> bitmask: copper, it's one of the most likeable metal. Only Silver and Gold may surpass it. 2021-07-24T18:47:32 < bitmask> yes i actually love copper, cutting any metal with hand tools just sucks 2021-07-24T18:47:41 < pjb> Look how beautiful it is: https://static3.bigstockphoto.com/5/5/3/large2/355648115.jpg 2021-07-24T18:48:08 < pjb> bitmask: just heat it, so it's easier. 2021-07-24T18:48:32 < bitmask> i like copper so much i set up a copper electroplating station 2021-07-24T18:48:36 < bitmask> :) 2021-07-24T18:49:38 < kakium69> invest in copper 2021-07-24T18:49:57 < bitmask> now to clean up this copper dust 2021-07-24T18:50:02 < bitmask> actually i should file and sand first 2021-07-24T18:50:26 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-24T18:50:29 < kakium69> by invest I mean acquiring truckloads of copper 2021-07-24T18:50:53 < pjb> and peak copper is probably already behind us. 2021-07-24T18:51:09 < pjb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_copper#/media/File:Top_5_Copper_Producers.png 2021-07-24T18:52:17 < bitmask> saw a guy on youtube trying to get 1 metric tonne of metal, he buys motors and stuff from the scrapyard and melts it down 2021-07-24T18:54:52 < pjb> It would be more impressive to have the goal of gathering 1 cubic meter of the metal :-) 2021-07-24T18:55:17 < pjb> 8960 kg Cu. 2021-07-24T19:00:15 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-24T19:03:05 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T19:03:32 < bitmask> it would be more impressive to have 2 cubic meters 2021-07-24T19:21:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T19:23:15 < R2COM> is there a way to switch to specific virtual desktop # in win10 2021-07-24T19:23:34 < R2COM> other than go through all with ctrl+win+arrow 2021-07-24T19:34:46 < ventyl> no 2021-07-24T19:34:48 < ventyl> it is fucked up 2021-07-24T20:02:34 < karlp> a tonne isn't really all that much when you start... 2021-07-24T20:18:03 < ventyl> baaah 2021-07-24T20:55:58 < pjb> bitmask: nope. the next level is 10 m x 10 m x 10 m = 1000 m³. 2021-07-24T20:57:12 < pjb> On the other hand, it looks peak copper is 105 years away: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-all-the-known-copper-in-the-world/ 2021-07-24T20:58:53 < pjb> Actually, if you made a 10m x 10m x 10m copper cube with a 2m x 2m x 2m hole in its center, to imprison the devil, we'd still have a problem: he could get away thru the 4th dimension in the past, before the cube was made. 2021-07-24T21:07:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T21:44:33 < englishman> the cube would have to be travelling backwards through time as wll 2021-07-24T21:47:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-24T21:48:11 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-24T21:52:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T21:53:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T21:54:48 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T22:03:31 < pjb> englishman: yes, it would have to be made both of matter and antimatter… 2021-07-24T22:03:42 < kakium69> did you know 110volt system was made to sell more copper 2021-07-24T22:04:17 < pjb> :-) 2021-07-24T22:06:13 < kakium69> *made to be standard 2021-07-24T22:17:16 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-24T22:48:51 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zokhyLQloBI 1991 musics 2021-07-24T22:55:41 < pjb> kakium69: 110 V is not the standard. The standard is 220 V. 2021-07-24T22:55:46 < pjb> Everybody knows that. 2021-07-24T22:56:05 < kakium69> sorry 220v splitted phase 2021-07-24T22:56:53 < pjb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity_by_country#/media/File:World_Map_of_Mains_Voltages_and_Frequencies,_Detailed.svg 2021-07-24T22:57:29 -!- fluiD [~fluiD@161.97.231.145] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T23:02:47 < kakium69> 240V 60hz 2021-07-24T23:04:42 < kakium69> when you want power but have grid with neighbour 2021-07-24T23:05:28 < kakium69> meanwhile jp does 50hz and 60hz 2021-07-24T23:05:39 < kakium69> @100V 2021-07-24T23:06:31 < kakium69> they have probs some island or so powered with electricity from russia 2021-07-24T23:10:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T23:11:02 < upgrdman> anyone have a favorite usb microphone? 2021-07-24T23:11:34 < upgrdman> i tried a $25 walmart one and it works ok. not sure if i'd notice the difference between it and something more expensive 2021-07-24T23:12:50 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@185.65.135.252] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T23:14:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-24T23:22:38 < kakium69> I use 3eur 3.5mm mono microphone 2021-07-24T23:25:43 < Steffanx> 25 euro trust gxt 210 here 2021-07-24T23:42:29 < PaulFertser> What do you use it for? Is it really showing anything you can't see with bare eyes? 2021-07-24T23:43:17 < PaulFertser> Also, would be interesting to hear success stories of using an IR camera. I have "seekthermal pro" at work (connected to a computer, not smartphone) but so far it wasn't particularly useful. 2021-07-24T23:43:38 < PaulFertser> pjb: 230 V for EU 2021-07-24T23:44:21 < PaulFertser> pjb: were you here before under other nick? 2021-07-24T23:45:12 < ventyl> US is even more complicated AFAIK 2021-07-24T23:45:20 < ventyl> 110V is present only in residential areas 2021-07-24T23:45:28 < ventyl> commercial areas (maybe sometimes) have like 170V 2021-07-24T23:47:00 < PaulFertser> ventyl: for real? How come? 2021-07-24T23:48:04 < ventyl> because they are americans 2021-07-24T23:50:01 < PaulFertser> ventyl: put it another way, how can that be implemented in any cheap way? 2021-07-24T23:53:06 < ventyl> hm, I can't find any record of it happening 2021-07-24T23:53:42 < ventyl> on the other hand, most pages describing mains power in US start with "residential zones" 2021-07-24T23:54:56 < ventyl> PaulFertser: on the price question: i'd expect that one zone has it's own transformer and you use either 2x220/110 or some other shit, which gives you any other voltage 2021-07-24T23:55:09 < ventyl> and then you have two different classes of devices based on voltage system 2021-07-24T23:55:14 < kakium69> ventyl: just having 220V would be to european 2021-07-24T23:55:33 < ventyl> kakium69: they use 2x220V in place of 3x400V 2021-07-24T23:56:05 < kakium69> and 170V 2021-07-24T23:56:46 < kakium69> ? 2021-07-24T23:56:46 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-24T23:57:03 < ventyl> hah 2021-07-24T23:57:05 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-24T23:57:06 < ventyl> not 170V 2021-07-24T23:57:10 < ventyl> but... 2021-07-24T23:57:13 < ventyl> ...277V 2021-07-24T23:57:15 < ventyl> :) 2021-07-24T23:57:28 < englishman> yeah 2021-07-24T23:57:32 < ventyl> Most common in the USA is 480Y/277 , 3phase, 4 wire grounded system for equipment in commercial and industrial sytems. Commercial lighting normally is 277V. 2021-07-24T23:57:33 < PaulFertser> ventyl: I do not get it yet. If generation is three-phase then power lines would be three phase too, and then you'd have the corresponding transformers. Where's the two-phase voltage coming from? 2021-07-24T23:57:39 < englishman> large buildings still have 3phase 2021-07-24T23:57:48 < englishman> but not a split phase transformer 2021-07-24T23:57:54 < englishman> so they have like 208V 2021-07-24T23:58:49 < ventyl> PaulFertser: as I understand it, two phase is generated as split-phase 2021-07-24T23:59:25 < ventyl> so in fact, connection to distribution network is performed as 1x220V, which is then split to 180 degree inverted 110V "phases" 2021-07-24T23:59:26 < englishman> The most common commercial building electric service in North America is 120/208 volt wye, which is used to power 120 volt plug loads, lighting, and smaller HVAC systems. In larger facilities the voltage is 277/480 volt and used to power single phase 277 volt lighting and larger HVAC loads. 2021-07-24T23:59:36 < englishman> copypaste ^ --- Day changed Sun Jul 25 2021 2021-07-25T00:00:02 < ventyl> pretty much everything has to be fucked up there 2021-07-25T00:01:48 < PaulFertser> ventyl: so basically two phases are generated somewhere close to the residential buildings from one of the three phases that come via the big power lines? 2021-07-25T00:01:55 < englishman> here there is 735kV distribution that they also pump DC through to melt ice 2021-07-25T00:02:42 < englishman> in a typical residential service there is a split phase transformer every dozen houses or so 2021-07-25T00:03:26 < PaulFertser> Does it really make much sense? What's the point, just lowering the voltage to make it a bit safer? 2021-07-25T00:04:08 < englishman> the reason probably was safety 100 years ago. or maybe compatibility with the loads they had at the time, lightbulbs 2021-07-25T00:04:16 < englishman> speculating here 2021-07-25T00:04:43 < PaulFertser> But if you can today just install an RCD and skip the split-phase transformer, why bother? 2021-07-25T00:05:10 < ventyl> they are used to it 2021-07-25T00:05:12 < englishman> the infrat is there 2021-07-25T00:05:21 < englishman> infra 2021-07-25T00:05:44 < englishman> it's at a local minima of effort and expense 2021-07-25T00:05:57 < englishman> changing anything requires changing everything 2021-07-25T00:06:44 < englishman> the copper cost is not really significant compared to panels, transformers, etc. and labour 2021-07-25T00:07:02 < PaulFertser> Hm, and 277 V is not too suitable to be fed directly, indeed. 2021-07-25T00:10:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T00:10:52 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-25T00:10:54 < ventyl> today, you could probably keep all the infrastructure in place, you'd only have to change transformers and maybe shittier plugs and certain direct draws, such as kettles 2021-07-25T00:12:51 < PaulFertser> And probably fridges. And many electric cooktops. 2021-07-25T00:14:35 < ventyl> hm, right 2021-07-25T00:15:00 < ventyl> luckilly, with 110V system, they are not as alone as with customary units 2021-07-25T00:16:22 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@185.65.135.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-25T00:18:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-25T00:43:27 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T01:45:18 < zyp> PaulFertser, having both 110V and 220V outlets necessitates incompatible plugs to avoid fuckups 2021-07-25T01:45:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T01:46:07 < zyp> and since regular outlets are 110V, all the gadgets you can buy have 110V plugs 2021-07-25T01:46:46 < zyp> and when everything comes with 110V plugs, nobody installs 220V outlets except where there's a special need 2021-07-25T01:47:13 < zyp> so you've got a chicken and egg problem if you want to transition everything over to 220V 2021-07-25T01:49:45 < zyp> the most feasible transition path would probably be to start installing european style outlets for 220V and buying stuff with EU plugs 2021-07-25T01:50:02 < upgrdman> anyone have a favorite video editor for windows? 2021-07-25T01:50:33 < upgrdman> i've been use premiere elements, but they dont seem to support my new gpu (rtx3060) so time to fuck off and find something else :/ 2021-07-25T01:50:47 < englishman> i recently used avidemux for simple chopping and liked it 2021-07-25T01:50:50 < zyp> windows movie maker 2021-07-25T01:51:31 < englishman> with the new subscription scheme, premiere pro is quite affordable 2021-07-25T01:54:47 < zyp> IIRC last I fucked around with video on windows, I used avisynth and virtualdub 2021-07-25T02:22:25 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-25T02:25:24 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T02:41:45 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-25T03:36:39 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T03:46:04 < R2COM> oh boy 2021-07-25T03:46:46 < R2COM> so even if i pimp the hell out of neovim, get autocomplete working, tags, indent plugins etc. it is still not as *cool* as it is editing code in Vscode 2021-07-25T03:47:08 < R2COM> you still feel like its kinda... crippled or something... its working fast etc, but its not as cool looking 2021-07-25T03:47:33 < R2COM> zyp what do you use to edit code 2021-07-25T04:09:52 < zyp> vscode 2021-07-25T04:47:37 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-25T04:57:31 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-25T05:27:26 < upgrdman> heh. so premiere elements seems to hate my rtx3060. its FASTER, much faster, if i tell it not use the gpu. well, at least i found a work around. my cpu is good enough to do the job. 2021-07-25T05:33:11 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T05:54:40 < R2COM> ok done all the vscode ricing now 2021-07-25T05:54:57 < R2COM> im back using mcu flow from win10 and vscode 2021-07-25T05:55:05 < R2COM> man its just so much better 2021-07-25T06:00:02 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T06:00:02 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-25T06:01:40 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-25T06:20:23 -!- Sadale [~Sadale@user/sadale] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-25T06:21:33 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-25T06:24:04 -!- Sadale [~Sadale@user/sadale] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T06:28:07 < upgrdman> lol https://pinkpen.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/pewdiepie-thumbnail.jpg that girl looks like something from a pixar movie, but wtf pixar movie would show that 2021-07-25T06:30:15 < jadew> a movie I'd watch 2021-07-25T06:30:56 < jadew> unfortunately it's from deviant art 2021-07-25T06:47:55 -!- fluiD [~fluiD@161.97.231.145] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-25T06:50:25 -!- fluiD [~fluiD@161.97.231.145] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T06:54:52 -!- funky [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T06:57:26 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-25T07:00:31 < R2COM> jadew hello gypsie 2021-07-25T07:01:32 < jadew> sup? 2021-07-25T07:04:37 < R2COM> just messing with editors again 2021-07-25T07:04:43 < R2COM> jadew what is your preferred code editor 2021-07-25T07:05:02 < jadew> vscode 2021-07-25T07:05:08 < R2COM> heh 2021-07-25T07:05:25 < jadew> but for actual programs, I use Visual Studio 2021-07-25T07:05:26 < R2COM> btw, any idea why vscode would be kinda slow on remote access? 2021-07-25T07:05:35 < jadew> I still like vscode's text editing better 2021-07-25T07:05:40 < R2COM> you mean actual programs for win environment 2021-07-25T07:05:48 < jadew> win and linux, yeah 2021-07-25T07:05:59 < R2COM> but what you mean actual code 2021-07-25T07:06:15 < jadew> like C++ 2021-07-25T07:06:24 < jadew> the debugging capabilities are better in VS 2021-07-25T07:07:00 < R2COM> hm 2021-07-25T07:07:09 < jadew> don't know why it would be slow on remote, it's basically a browser window, maybe the drawing mechanism makes it slow 2021-07-25T07:07:18 < R2COM> yes 2021-07-25T07:07:25 < R2COM> most likely 2021-07-25T07:07:26 < jadew> a regular program would draw itself directly into the remote buffers 2021-07-25T07:07:52 < jadew> I guess vscode draws itself the usual way and then the resulting picture gets drawn into the buffer 2021-07-25T07:08:05 < R2COM> if i am going to work on some code library for GUI, (its isolated from MS stuff) 2021-07-25T07:08:11 < R2COM> will i benefit from visual studio? 2021-07-25T07:08:26 < jadew> maybe with RDP the drawing commands get sent over the network, rather than the resulting image 2021-07-25T07:08:26 < R2COM> or you saying..well for debugging code for sure rite? 2021-07-25T07:08:57 < jadew> yeah, there's no contest 2021-07-25T07:09:09 < R2COM> hm 2021-07-25T07:09:28 < jadew> maybe you can find some amazingly good debugging plugin for vscode, but the stuff it comes with is not that great 2021-07-25T07:10:03 < R2COM> so i'll just keep using for MCU (since debug is command line GDB) and for Python 2021-07-25T07:10:10 < R2COM> but for anything c++ you say MSVC then 2021-07-25T07:10:40 < jadew> yeah, maybe the next VS will use the vscode editor 2021-07-25T07:10:43 < R2COM> you seen 2022 preview? 2021-07-25T07:10:50 < jadew> then you'll have the best of both worlds 2021-07-25T07:10:55 < R2COM> ya 2021-07-25T07:10:57 < jadew> I haven't, I'm still on 2019 2021-07-25T07:12:14 < R2COM> in what way MSVC editor is better than vscode? 2021-07-25T07:12:48 < jadew> the editor is not better, it used to be nice, but by today's standards, not anymore 2021-07-25T07:13:30 < jadew> also, it has bugs that have been present for years and haven't been fixed 2021-07-25T07:13:40 < jadew> vscode is much more actively supported 2021-07-25T07:14:37 < R2COM> ok 2021-07-25T07:14:46 < R2COM> hm noty all plugins exist either 2021-07-25T07:14:52 < R2COM> there its called "extensions" i guess 2021-07-25T07:15:49 < jadew> I recommend getting the Project Manager plugin 2021-07-25T07:16:09 < R2COM> hm 2021-07-25T07:16:32 < jadew> it makes working with vscode a lot nicer 2021-07-25T07:16:39 < R2COM> in what ways 2021-07-25T07:16:53 < jadew> you would normally open a folder to work on 2021-07-25T07:16:55 < R2COM> oh man i cant find tokyonight colorscheme there, transparency mod etc 2021-07-25T07:17:00 < R2COM> i cannot rice MSVC :) 2021-07-25T07:17:01 < jadew> with that extension you can save it as a project 2021-07-25T07:17:08 < jadew> and then switch between them as you need 2021-07-25T07:17:36 < R2COM> well 2021-07-25T07:17:43 < R2COM> but isnt everything a "project" in MSVC anyway? 2021-07-25T07:17:46 < R2COM> .sln ? 2021-07-25T07:17:46 < jadew> you should be able to edit the theme 2021-07-25T07:17:58 < jadew> ah, I was talking about vscode 2021-07-25T07:18:28 < jadew> the Project Manager is for vscode, not VS 2021-07-25T07:18:50 < R2COM> ahh 2021-07-25T07:18:51 < R2COM> hmm 2021-07-25T07:18:58 < R2COM> but what is benefit in it? 2021-07-25T07:19:08 < R2COM> i mean i'd do "open folder" and be done with it, no? 2021-07-25T07:19:22 < jadew> you have to use vscode first to understand 2021-07-25T07:19:27 < jadew> it scratches an itch 2021-07-25T07:20:34 < R2COM> what you mean? 2021-07-25T07:20:38 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-25T07:20:40 < R2COM> cuz i used it i dont get what you mean 2021-07-25T07:20:55 < jadew> well, in order to switch from one project to another, you have to open that folder 2021-07-25T07:21:16 < jadew> with the project manager plugin you can just hit shift+alt+p and select it from the list 2021-07-25T07:21:20 < jadew> that's pretty much it 2021-07-25T07:21:54 < jadew> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=alefragnani.project-manager 2021-07-25T07:21:56 < R2COM> ahh 2021-07-25T07:21:59 < R2COM> right...hmm 2021-07-25T07:22:12 < R2COM> yeah sounds as useful if switching is often needed 2021-07-25T07:22:44 < jadew> you don't have to locate the folders anymore 2021-07-25T07:23:05 < jadew> you first start vscode and then you can do reaveal file if you need to open the folder 2021-07-25T07:23:37 < R2COM> oh 2021-07-25T07:23:38 < jadew> changes the workflow a little 2021-07-25T07:24:11 < jadew> *if you need to open the folder in explorer 2021-07-25T07:24:27 < R2COM> here is how my vscode looks now: 2021-07-25T07:24:29 < R2COM> https://i.imgur.com/0vR1N4o.jpg 2021-07-25T07:24:39 < R2COM> i wonder if i can make MSVC be like that? 2021-07-25T07:25:26 < jadew> IIRC it has split screens 2021-07-25T07:25:50 < jadew> I don't use that much, because I don't have enough screen estate 2021-07-25T07:25:52 < R2COM> its really dumb that during development of vscode they didnt "merge" it with MSVC 2021-07-25T07:26:07 < R2COM> you dont work on 4k monitor? 2021-07-25T07:26:28 < jadew> nope, 24" 1080 2021-07-25T07:26:47 < R2COM> that sucks buy nice monitor 2021-07-25T07:26:58 < jadew> bigger ones won't fit on my desk 2021-07-25T07:27:11 < jadew> I want to have 3 2021-07-25T07:28:00 < R2COM> lol but 1x 4k is better than 3x 1080p 2021-07-25T07:28:02 < R2COM> isnt it? 2021-07-25T07:28:13 < R2COM> 27-28" 4k 2021-07-25T07:28:37 < jadew> not necessarily, because I organize things a certain way 2021-07-25T07:28:56 < jadew> (how I got used to do it) 2021-07-25T07:29:42 < R2COM> well yeah, it depends on each person i guess 2021-07-25T07:30:04 < R2COM> i used to have 3x monitors, then changed my flow for all stuff 2021-07-25T07:30:18 < jadew> how many do you have now? 2021-07-25T07:30:48 < jadew> just the one big screen? 2021-07-25T07:31:41 < R2COM> 1 2021-07-25T07:31:42 < R2COM> yes 2021-07-25T07:32:23 < jadew> don't you miss the ability to quickly have access something else on a different monitor? 2021-07-25T07:33:05 < R2COM> "ctrl+win+LEFT/RIGHT" and switch to virtual desktop immediately 2021-07-25T07:33:16 < R2COM> its not effective to sit and rotate head 2021-07-25T07:33:41 < jadew> I guess that's a good argument too 2021-07-25T07:33:42 < R2COM> i dont look at everything at same time, and if i need look at something else, its switched there 2021-07-25T07:34:00 < R2COM> cuz your brain cant process data from looking at 3 monitors at same time 2021-07-25T07:34:06 < R2COM> you concentrate attention on one anyway 2021-07-25T07:34:09 < jadew> if the monitors are not too big, you don't need to rotate between two of them - you need between nr1 and nr3 tho 2021-07-25T07:34:42 < jadew> yeah, that's true 2021-07-25T07:34:48 < R2COM> i still think window managers in unix are kinda better at that 2021-07-25T07:34:54 < R2COM> but win10 is OK actually 2021-07-25T07:35:19 < jadew> what do you like better in unix? 2021-07-25T07:35:33 < R2COM> i got my monitor wall mounted, so my keyboard is also under it and i have more real estate around me for ipad etc 2021-07-25T07:35:50 < R2COM> i kinda like that package management philosophy of FreeBSD 2021-07-25T07:35:57 < R2COM> when i say unix btw i mean FreeBSD 2021-07-25T07:36:03 < R2COM> (not some linux garbage) 2021-07-25T07:36:50 < R2COM> but my problem is... even with FreeBSD, not sure if its as comfortable for everyday heavylifting CAD/EDA work as Win10 really 2021-07-25T07:37:16 < R2COM> i simplest reason is this vscode example 2021-07-25T07:37:22 < R2COM> i can run it there, but it has some bugs there 2021-07-25T07:37:27 < R2COM> doesnt work fine 2021-07-25T07:37:35 < R2COM> and neovim with plugins is not as cool as vscode 2021-07-25T07:37:45 < R2COM> so i got inferior editing there basically 2021-07-25T07:38:20 < R2COM> not end of the world of course, but...nowadays in 2021 i wanna work in cool environment on my main machine 2021-07-25T07:38:37 < R2COM> (i assume unix itself was created using way more shitty code editors back in 80s) 2021-07-25T07:39:23 < R2COM> but in my work its harder... cuz i need to edit codes on secure servers far away and i cant run fucking vscode there 2021-07-25T07:39:27 < R2COM> just vim with plugins 2021-07-25T07:40:03 < jadew> yeah, you can do the same job with shittier ones, but once you get used to a particular feature that makes your life easier, working without it feels like you're losing a lot 2021-07-25T07:40:17 < R2COM> rite 2021-07-25T07:40:23 < jadew> well, vim is fine too 2021-07-25T07:40:31 < jadew> you just have to accessorize it 2021-07-25T07:40:46 < jadew> and keep a cheat sheet around :) 2021-07-25T07:41:23 < R2COM> i dont need cheatsheet, but then again im not 100% pro in it at all 2021-07-25T07:41:31 < R2COM> i keep learning new stuff 2021-07-25T07:41:35 < jadew> I always need a refresher before going back to vim 2021-07-25T07:41:42 < R2COM> but neovim i recently tried is definitely better 2021-07-25T07:41:57 < R2COM> by the way 2021-07-25T07:41:59 < R2COM> strange thing... 2021-07-25T07:42:14 < R2COM> i kinda noticed that neovim with LSP works faster than intellisense in vscode 2021-07-25T07:42:15 < R2COM> lol 2021-07-25T07:42:18 < R2COM> like wtf 2021-07-25T07:42:32 < R2COM> like, if you introduce error, neovim prints info about it right away on side faster 2021-07-25T07:43:00 < R2COM> not super faster, but...have slight feeling that its faster 2021-07-25T07:43:01 < jadew> depends on the plugins used, if you don't like the vscode autocomplete, you'll hate the VS one 2021-07-25T07:43:15 < jadew> it's another one of those things that used to be great, now it isn't 2021-07-25T07:43:33 < jadew> in VS you need Visual Assist X if you want nice autocomplete in C++ 2021-07-25T07:45:36 < R2COM> btw, do you know how to change the "next autocomplete suggestion" in msvc to Tab key? 2021-07-25T07:45:43 < R2COM> I did it in vscode, not sure if its same in MSVC 2021-07-25T07:46:05 < R2COM> say xxx-> "and now i wanna hit Tab until right one is selected, then Enter" 2021-07-25T07:46:23 < jadew> no, I just scroll through the list 2021-07-25T07:46:49 < jadew> (or keep typing) 2021-07-25T07:46:52 < R2COM> i see Visual Assist in extensions 2021-07-25T07:47:01 < jadew> yeah, kind of expensive tho 2021-07-25T07:47:03 < R2COM> not Visual Assist X in extension browser 2021-07-25T07:47:03 < R2COM> ? 2021-07-25T07:47:04 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-25T07:47:23 < jadew> ?help 2021-07-25T07:47:23 < xnand> I don't know about help 2021-07-25T07:47:43 < jadew> ?bitch=Someone who doesn't know about help. 2021-07-25T07:47:44 < xnand> Done 2021-07-25T07:47:46 < jadew> ?bitch 2021-07-25T07:47:46 < xnand> bitch is Someone who doesn't know about help. 2021-07-25T07:47:52 < jadew> ?bitch=someone who doesn't know about help. 2021-07-25T07:47:53 < xnand> Done 2021-07-25T07:47:59 < R2COM> wtf is that 2021-07-25T07:48:03 < jadew> I don't know 2021-07-25T07:48:09 < jadew> a bot it seems 2021-07-25T07:48:19 < jadew> ?stm32 2021-07-25T07:48:19 < xnand> I don't know about stm32 2021-07-25T07:48:28 < jadew> ?xnand 2021-07-25T07:48:29 < xnand> xnand is annoying bot 2021-07-25T07:49:32 < jadew> I guess it's for canned answers for people asking for help 2021-07-25T07:50:02 < R2COM> wait 2021-07-25T07:50:10 < R2COM> wtf 2021-07-25T07:50:21 < R2COM> visual assist is not free 2021-07-25T07:50:24 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-35-210-78.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T07:50:28 < jadew> heh, it's not, yeah 2021-07-25T07:50:35 < jadew> it's quite expensive really 2021-07-25T07:50:48 < R2COM> is it better than intellisense in vscode? 2021-07-25T07:51:04 < jadew> I haven't used vscode for C++ so I can't tell 2021-07-25T07:51:20 < jadew> it's better tan intellisense in VS 2021-07-25T07:51:55 < jadew> *than 2021-07-25T07:52:01 < R2COM> $279 year? 2021-07-25T07:52:02 < R2COM> hm 2021-07-25T07:52:12 < R2COM> or month 2021-07-25T07:52:13 < jadew> or $130 for personal use 2021-07-25T07:52:14 < R2COM> dont get it 2021-07-25T07:52:16 < jadew> a year 2021-07-25T07:52:22 < R2COM> ah 2021-07-25T07:52:28 < R2COM> but thats not expencive yo 2021-07-25T07:52:42 < jadew> it's something the IDE should already be doing 2021-07-25T07:52:49 < jadew> so... in that sense, it kinda is 2021-07-25T07:52:55 < R2COM> agree 2021-07-25T07:53:03 < R2COM> you ever used or touched jetbrains clion 2021-07-25T07:53:12 < jadew> no 2021-07-25T07:53:20 < jadew> I avoid Java based stuff 2021-07-25T07:57:58 < R2COM> jadew do you think that if PCB cad software is written as Immediate mode GUI its a right way of doing such soft 2021-07-25T07:58:03 < R2COM> both schematics and layout 2021-07-25T07:59:11 < jadew> I don't know, is it the right way of doing anything? 2021-07-25T07:59:25 < R2COM> yes 2021-07-25T07:59:31 < jadew> I guess it makes sense in graphical environments 2021-07-25T07:59:44 < jadew> maybe... don't really know 2021-07-25T07:59:50 < R2COM> and constant work in graphics during schematics is always graphics 2021-07-25T07:59:52 < R2COM> ok 2021-07-25T08:03:05 < R2COM> i see various guides on c++ debugging with vscode 2021-07-25T08:03:18 < R2COM> are you saying that, its all not worth spending time on, just use MSVC for anycing c++ ? 2021-07-25T08:03:20 < R2COM> anything 2021-07-25T08:03:31 < R2COM> (except MCU stuff which debugged differently) 2021-07-25T08:11:13 < R2COM> https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/cpp/config-msvc 2021-07-25T08:11:15 < R2COM> so 2021-07-25T08:11:31 < R2COM> this guide basically tells how to use msvc tools for building and debugging in vscode 2021-07-25T08:11:42 < R2COM> not sure how good it is, in your opinion jadew? 2021-07-25T08:11:48 < R2COM> still inferior to MSVC? 2021-07-25T08:12:11 < R2COM> lots of fuckery to configure it btw 2021-07-25T08:14:14 < jadew> R2COM, you could give it a try, the drawbacks could be smaller than the positives 2021-07-25T08:41:21 < R2COM> time to drink glass of wine and go to sleep 2021-07-25T08:47:33 < R2COM> i dont get it why vscode using json all over 2021-07-25T08:47:38 < R2COM> why not, dunno... 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like real reviews based on science/engineering, not just idiots talking about the pretty design 2021-07-25T20:19:40 < englishman> havent seen one yet. just vbloggers / audiophools 2021-07-25T20:20:00 < englishman> i got a blue snowball. works fine. cheap. sounds better than cheap mics. that's my review 2021-07-25T20:20:26 < englishman> don't forget to smash that like button and subscribe 2021-07-25T20:28:35 < sauce> upgrdman: what are you looking for 2021-07-25T20:32:23 < upgrdman> sauce, a usb mic that is a good balance of quality and price. i bought a $25 walmart one and it works fine but i figure i should buy something "decent" 2021-07-25T20:32:52 < upgrdman> guessing 24bit would be nice, assuming it can actually use those bits and its not some upscaling joke 2021-07-25T20:38:57 < sauce> for desktop/vox use? dont think that sample depth is worth the bump in price. snowball's fine 2021-07-25T20:39:39 < sauce> get an articulated stand so you can get it away from the desk surface 2021-07-25T20:42:58 < lemmi> unless you are recording music and need to add long filter chains to the sound, 24bit is useless 2021-07-25T20:44:04 < upgrdman> hmmm k 2021-07-25T20:45:14 < lemmi> the problem with ultra cheapo usb mics is that they sometimes don't support different sampling rates. that can be very annoying with some software, when the microphone is capped at 16khz, while your output is running the usual 48khz 2021-07-25T20:48:06 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T20:57:43 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-07-25T21:20:21 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T21:31:30 < ds2> 24bit mics? Are most mic elements capable of 24bits dynamic range? 2021-07-25T21:35:33 < lemmi> getting microphone with >110 db dynamic range isn't too hard. 16bit would be 96 db dynamic range. 2021-07-25T21:36:20 < lemmi> but for voice without a lot of processing this isn't necessary 2021-07-25T21:39:29 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-25T21:39:39 < kakium69> where is laurence? 2021-07-25T21:47:54 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-25T21:50:43 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T22:11:09 < Steffanx> he was banned a while back 2021-07-25T22:13:31 < kakium69> what did he do 2021-07-25T22:15:06 < Steffanx> Being an asshole or something 2021-07-25T22:15:27 < kakium69> oh that bad 2021-07-25T22:15:44 < kakium69> usually just too annoying for too long 2021-07-25T22:17:04 < qyx> lemmi: are you a mic pro? 2021-07-25T22:17:43 < lemmi> i wouldn't think so. i just have some experience recording/mixing 2021-07-25T22:18:02 < qyx> that's not the answer I expected :( 2021-07-25T22:19:58 < qyx> recently I was trying to figure out if it is better to use external pro electret mic + external 24 bit ADC OR external pro electret mic + internal 16 bit ADC OR PDM mic 2021-07-25T22:20:18 < qyx> with the requirement of high dynamic range and low power <= 200 uA 2021-07-25T22:20:52 < qyx> then I stopped thinking about it for a while when I was not able to find an electret capsule with less than 0.5 mA consumption 2021-07-25T22:56:26 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-25T23:13:41 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-25T23:31:12 < R2COM> lol 2021-07-25T23:57:06 < upgrdman> jeez https://imgur.com/a/LD2PVwi --- Day changed Mon Jul 26 2021 2021-07-26T00:09:51 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-26T00:13:15 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-26T00:15:30 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Excess Flood] 2021-07-26T00:15:57 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-26T00:29:01 < Steffanx> Haha, got yourself a real fan. Soon you'll have a fan club for sure. 2021-07-26T00:34:59 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2021-07-26T00:44:16 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-26T00:55:44 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-26T01:49:40 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-26T01:53:03 -!- c4017w__ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-26T02:41:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-26T03:03:46 < MrMobius> how long is lolrenceb's ban? 2021-07-26T03:25:14 < R2COM> MrMobius I don't think he is loosing much not being here 2021-07-26T03:49:31 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@108.207.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-26T05:03:11 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@108.207.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-26T05:10:18 -!- rajkosto 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ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-27T05:18:59 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T05:24:35 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T05:27:51 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T06:12:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T06:21:11 < upgrdman> if anyone wants to see inside a $25 usb mic: http://farrellf.com/temp/cheap_usb_microphone_teardown/ 2021-07-27T06:45:43 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-27T06:56:58 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-27T06:58:31 -!- Streaker is now known as _______GOD______ 2021-07-27T07:02:50 -!- _______GOD______ is now known as Streaker 2021-07-27T07:06:24 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T07:07:34 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has left ##stm32 [brb] 2021-07-27T07:21:31 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@user/cluelessperson] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T07:21:35 < cluelessperson> Hi there. 2021-07-27T07:21:51 < cluelessperson> I have a stm32 dev board 2021-07-27T07:21:58 < cluelessperson> how do I quickly start using it? 2021-07-27T07:25:32 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-27T07:26:34 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T07:38:08 < R2COM> lo 2021-07-27T08:09:52 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I hardly ever reinstall windows, except when new PC 2021-07-27T15:16:46 < Steffanx> Thats a thing of the past 2021-07-27T15:17:56 < Steffanx> I just copy my old installation to a new disk when I buy a new disk. 2021-07-27T15:18:20 < Steffanx> And i would just format it using the windows installer if I would do a new install 2021-07-27T15:18:42 < kakium69> I reinstall windows like every 3years 2021-07-27T15:19:41 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T15:19:41 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-27T15:21:19 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-27T15:41:08 < ventyl> i haven't reinstalled windows in a decade, maybe even longer. not counting new installations on new machines 2021-07-27T15:42:49 < kakium69> so do you replace your machine every 3years? 2021-07-27T15:46:20 < ventyl> last windows install started as 7 and was subsequently updated to 10. it shown no persistent problems reinstall could solve in 4 years i've been using it and maybe it still runs unaltered... who knows 2021-07-27T15:46:38 < ventyl> then I got corporate laptop with win 10 2021-07-27T15:47:09 < ventyl> if it would break, I would simply call support and they would deal with it. or not. but no such thing happened and I left that corporate too 2021-07-27T15:48:50 < bitmask> yea maybe i'll just clean up my folders 2021-07-27T15:48:50 < kakium69> btw. windows makes quite substancial backups with major version updates 2021-07-27T15:49:10 < bitmask> anyone try musou black? 2021-07-27T15:49:28 < bitmask> ordered 100ml bottle of it 2021-07-27T15:51:55 < ventyl> never ran out of disk space due to windows update backups 2021-07-27T15:52:57 < kakium69> it can has like 50gigs of shit there 2021-07-27T15:53:03 < kakium69> I have once 2021-07-27T15:53:31 < kakium69> in my workshop computer used for vehicle diagnostics and reading pdfs 2021-07-27T15:53:40 < kakium69> it has 120GB ssd 2021-07-27T15:54:32 < kakium69> I'm like why does this win10 stay in update loop 2021-07-27T15:54:45 < kakium69> just restart - fail - restart 2021-07-27T15:55:28 < ventyl> heh, my workshop computer doesn't have any diagnostic capabilities. as none of my vehicles has any :) 2021-07-27T15:55:34 < kakium69> I had like 20GB of files there so it didn't make sense 2021-07-27T15:56:08 < kakium69> so I launched windows cleaner thing in win10 and it said 50GB of backups of older windows versions 2021-07-27T15:56:39 < kakium69> *free disc space function or something 2021-07-27T16:02:54 < bitmask> can you solder to a copper plate if you heat it with a heat gun first? 2021-07-27T16:03:44 < bitmask> and can you electrically isolate a thermocouple? 2021-07-27T16:04:11 < bitmask> i wanna measure the temp of a copper plate but the plate is connected to the negative terminal of a separate battery powered circuit producing 1kV 2021-07-27T16:09:02 < bitmask> maybe i should just glue it on 2021-07-27T16:09:16 < bitmask> the high voltage supply that is 2021-07-27T16:09:34 < bitmask> its only creating an electric field so very little current 2021-07-27T16:10:21 < kakium69> is it DC? 2021-07-27T16:11:15 < BrainDamage> bitmask: re:plate, use a hotplate, heat gun might be a bit wimpy in terms of output power, but you're free to try 2021-07-27T16:11:28 < bitmask> k 2021-07-27T16:11:38 < bitmask> kakium69 i think pulsed dc but im not sure 2021-07-27T16:11:52 < BrainDamage> re: thermocouple, mica sheets are decent thermal conductors and good insulators 2021-07-27T16:12:20 < BrainDamage> clamp with a plastic screw or a metallic screw and a plastic washer set 2021-07-27T16:12:35 < BrainDamage> it's kind of standard procedure to insulate large transistors tabs 2021-07-27T16:12:47 < bitmask> ok i'll look into that thanks 2021-07-27T16:13:11 < kakium69> when you have high rates of voltage change capacitive coupling can be a problem 2021-07-27T16:13:12 < bitmask> i kinda wanted to drill a hole (not all the way through) and glue it in but i guess thats not gonna happen 2021-07-27T16:13:57 < kakium69> you might want IC that can handle a lot of common mode 2021-07-27T16:14:09 < BrainDamage> add ferrite chokes 2021-07-27T16:14:17 < BrainDamage> those block common mode 2021-07-27T16:14:23 < kakium69> hmm 2021-07-27T16:14:25 < kakium69> indeed 2021-07-27T16:14:36 < bitmask> wtf is common mode 2021-07-27T16:14:46 < BrainDamage> say you have 2 wires 2021-07-27T16:14:58 < BrainDamage> common mode is (a+b)/2, the average 2021-07-27T16:15:02 < BrainDamage> differential is a-b 2021-07-27T16:15:14 < BrainDamage> it's just another way to see it 2021-07-27T16:15:21 < bitmask> i see 2021-07-27T16:15:30 < BrainDamage> but it's useful to analyse circuits because you see the symmetries 2021-07-27T16:15:38 < BrainDamage> a thermocouple gives you a differential signal 2021-07-27T16:15:49 < BrainDamage> while interferences are often through common mode 2021-07-27T16:15:55 < bitmask> i think i'll hold off on the thermocouple for now, i can just use my IR therm 2021-07-27T16:16:24 < kakium69> common mode is the part that doesn't affect the diff voltage bitmask 2021-07-27T16:16:57 < BrainDamage> ideally a differential amp should only amplify a-b 2021-07-27T16:17:09 < BrainDamage> in reality it amplifies a little a+b too 2021-07-27T16:17:27 < BrainDamage> the ratios between the gain is the CMRR 2021-07-27T16:17:43 < BrainDamage> moreover, the common mode can saturate or even destroy the amp 2021-07-27T16:17:44 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T16:18:44 < kakium69> clearly there is some common modes in thermocouple applications as some thermocouple ICs go to like 60V common mode survival 2021-07-27T16:19:00 < kakium69> or even 60V operational 2021-07-27T16:19:10 < BrainDamage> yep, it's pretty common for industrial processes 2021-07-27T16:19:25 < BrainDamage> those thermocouples get often shoved inside chemical tanks, etc 2021-07-27T16:19:35 < BrainDamage> floating charge, etc can generate significant potential 2021-07-27T16:20:03 < BrainDamage> however, 1kV common mode insulation is a bit past most specs 2021-07-27T16:20:20 < BrainDamage> so it'll be easier to insulate the probe first, and then deal with the residual 2021-07-27T16:50:26 -!- mawk [mawk@wireguard/contributor/mawk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T16:50:33 < mawk> why wasn't I on the channel anymore 2021-07-27T16:50:34 < mawk> what happened 2021-07-27T16:50:47 < mawk> maybe I left by accident 2021-07-27T16:51:32 < ventyl> you got bored by us 2021-07-27T16:51:37 < mawk> :( 2021-07-27T16:52:00 < ventyl> ok, finally the MPU stuff doesn't look like a total garbage 2021-07-27T17:11:37 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-27T17:51:15 < Steffanx> Lol mawk, you havent been here for 4 days 2021-07-27T17:51:35 < Steffanx> We thought you left with the crack 2021-07-27T17:54:36 -!- fluiD [~fluiD@161.97.231.145] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-27T17:54:43 -!- colorado [~fluiD@161.97.231.145] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T18:11:08 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-27T18:11:30 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T18:11:32 -!- PaulFertser [~paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T18:16:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-27T18:19:48 < tct> fucking english people. who the fuck writes ´center´ as ´centre´ - c´mon. 2021-07-27T18:22:09 < jpa-> who writes "c´mon" with such weird dot 2021-07-27T18:22:17 < Streaker> those are two different words 2021-07-27T18:22:25 < Streaker> with different meanings 2021-07-27T18:22:36 < Streaker> trust Americans to not know there is a difference 2021-07-27T18:22:37 < tct> Streaker, please elaborate 2021-07-27T18:22:37 < Streaker> :p 2021-07-27T18:22:48 < tct> I´d like to know more. 2021-07-27T18:24:49 < Streaker> hm... I don't seem to be backed up very strongly by Google but I was taught centre is the middle of a circle and center is an institution etc 2021-07-27T18:24:56 < BrainDamage> middle of a structure, vs place that unifies multiple buildings 2021-07-27T18:25:42 < Streaker> err the other way around. 2021-07-27T18:54:06 < pjb> tct: everybody write centre. It's the americans who can't listen, read or speak who make it center. 2021-07-27T18:55:38 < pjb> Latin: centrum, Dutch: centrum, Spanish: centro, Italian: centro, French: centre, English: centre, etc. 2021-07-27T18:56:48 < englishman> did you chat on freenode under a different nick pjb? 2021-07-27T18:57:52 < pjb> Nope. 2021-07-27T18:57:57 < pjb> I'm the same. 2021-07-27T19:01:35 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T19:05:32 < Streaker> a new guy! 2021-07-27T19:06:26 < pjb> Catalan: centre, Lithuanian: centre, Sebuano: sentro, Romanian: centru, Corsican: centru, Maltese: ċentru, Swedish: centrum, Slovak: centrum, Czech: centrum, Danish: centrum, Galician: centro, Portuguese: centro, Esperanto: centro, Frisian: sintrum, German: Zentrum, Luxembourgish: Zentrum, Afrikan: sentrum, Albanian: qendra, Basque: zentroa, Latvian: centrā, Belarus: цэнтр, Bulgarian: 2021-07-27T19:06:26 < pjb> център, Russian: центр, Ukranian: центр, Greek: κέντρο 2021-07-27T19:06:59 < pjb> So, the big majority of languages, even amongst those not using the latin alphabet, but the 'r' before a final vowel. 2021-07-27T19:07:34 < pjb> Only the Americans and a few other countries insert the vowel between the 't' and the 'r'. 2021-07-27T19:07:40 < pjb> Speech impediment anybody? 2021-07-27T19:11:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T19:16:19 < mawk> pjb: not in british english 2021-07-27T19:16:22 < mawk> it's just a spelling inversion 2021-07-27T19:16:48 < mawk> well actually no 2021-07-27T19:16:52 < mawk> they say it the wrong way 2021-07-27T19:17:03 < mawk> the english should disappear from the earth anyway 2021-07-27T19:25:20 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-27T19:30:05 < mawk> DHL delivered a 106kg package to the wrong office 2021-07-27T19:30:11 < mawk> and left it on the sidewalk under the rain 2021-07-27T19:30:25 < mawk> I had to carry it by myself inside, and then move it again because it is smelling like cancer 2021-07-27T19:30:29 < mawk> it's some sort of rubber flaps 2021-07-27T19:32:56 < ventyl> english allows indian guys to scam the rest of the world, keep it 2021-07-27T19:38:43 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T19:42:20 < Steffanx> So does tct write colour or color? 2021-07-27T19:47:06 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-27T19:48:56 < mawk> coluor 2021-07-27T19:49:01 < mawk> obviously 2021-07-27T19:59:51 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-27T20:06:44 < Steffanx> Coureur 2021-07-27T20:06:52 < Steffanx> Couleur 2021-07-27T20:07:11 < Steffanx> Where have you been mawk 2021-07-27T20:07:29 < mawk> home, why? 2021-07-27T20:12:02 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T20:16:16 < Steffanx> ##stm32 missed you 2021-07-27T20:16:17 < xnand> Commands: cache decide nar 2021-07-27T20:17:52 < Steffanx> ??=bla 2021-07-27T20:17:53 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-27T20:18:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T20:22:15 < bitmask> well my cloud chamber is just about rebuilt with the second peltier in place 2021-07-27T20:22:20 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.94.110] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Spirit5326!~Spirit532@mm-161-11-84-93.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by))] 2021-07-27T20:22:25 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@mm-161-11-84-93.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T20:22:39 < bitmask> if it makes zero difference or makes it worse im gonna be pissed :P 2021-07-27T20:28:12 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-27T20:31:00 < mawk> so you finally stacked them bitmask ? 2021-07-27T20:31:08 < mawk> ?cache 2021-07-27T20:31:09 < xnand> I don't know about cache 2021-07-27T20:31:11 < mawk> ?decide 2021-07-27T20:31:12 < xnand> I don't know about decide 2021-07-27T20:31:15 < mawk> shut up 2021-07-27T20:31:17 < bitmask> mawk nah, side by side 2021-07-27T20:31:22 < mawk> go die in a hole xnand 2021-07-27T20:31:23 < mawk> ah bitmask 2021-07-27T20:31:49 < mawk> I have a secret fear that my boss is looking me do illegal shit when I'm alone at the office 2021-07-27T20:31:55 < mawk> so I went into the CCTV room to make sure everything is off 2021-07-27T20:32:21 < Steffanx> Cctv at work? 2021-07-27T20:32:36 < mawk> yes 2021-07-27T20:32:42 < mawk> you don't have that? 2021-07-27T20:32:46 < mawk> but I checked and it's turned off 2021-07-27T20:32:51 < mawk> only the CCTV of the front door is on 2021-07-27T20:33:33 < Steffanx> Nope. 2021-07-27T20:33:42 < Steffanx> I wouldnt even want such thing. 2021-07-27T20:34:30 < mawk> me neither 2021-07-27T20:34:39 < mawk> that's why I would've broken it if I found any 2021-07-27T20:44:21 -!- steve [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T21:21:20 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-27T22:17:11 < BrainDamage> mawk: compressed and layered medical gauze makes for excellent filters 2021-07-27T22:18:23 < mawk> to filter what BrainDamage , the air when breathing the rubber cancer? 2021-07-27T22:18:27 < mawk> or to filter the CCTV 2021-07-27T22:18:44 < BrainDamage> to filter whatever you were filtering 2 weeks ago 2021-07-27T22:18:48 < mawk> ah yes right 2021-07-27T22:18:49 < BrainDamage> when you asked me about it 2021-07-27T22:18:55 < mawk> I stil only filtered 50mL of that and it took 2 weeks 2021-07-27T22:19:03 < mawk> I have 450mL to go 2021-07-27T22:19:06 < mawk> good idea, I will try gauze 2021-07-27T22:19:06 < BrainDamage> told you to get a vacuum setup 2021-07-27T22:19:13 < mawk> yes when I get my salary 2021-07-27T22:19:17 < mawk> currently I'm -500€ on my bank account 2021-07-27T22:19:20 < mawk> they blocked my credit card 2021-07-27T22:27:22 < kakium69> good life 2021-07-27T22:28:25 < mawk> lol 2021-07-27T22:29:38 < kakium69> never had that happen to me 2021-07-27T22:29:47 < kakium69> I increased my limit to 3kilos 2021-07-27T22:30:59 < Steffanx> I dont even have a credit card just a debit card 2021-07-27T22:31:22 < kakium69> there basically is no need for credit card 2021-07-27T22:31:27 < qyx> I stopped using my credit card 2021-07-27T22:31:32 < qyx> and asked the bank to terminate it 2021-07-27T22:31:43 < BrainDamage> if you live in the us, you 'have to' 2021-07-27T22:31:44 < kakium69> I got credit debit card because I'm big boy now 2021-07-27T22:32:08 < BrainDamage> they have a thing called credit score that gets higher the more debt you pay off 2021-07-27T22:32:09 < qyx> the only purpose of the card was to replace a "virtual card" which wasn't available here 2021-07-27T22:32:15 < kakium69> they called from bank that Imma big boy now get a credit debit card 2021-07-27T22:32:36 < BrainDamage> so you have to constantly get in small debt and pay it off to show you're such a great consumer 2021-07-27T22:32:42 < Steffanx> Lol 2021-07-27T22:32:45 < mawk> Steffanx: I have a credit debit card 2021-07-27T22:32:46 < BrainDamage> so you can eg get a loan for a car, or a house 2021-07-27T22:32:49 < qyx> yeah but fuk us 2021-07-27T22:32:50 < mawk> it's a credit card with written "debit" on it 2021-07-27T22:32:54 < kakium69> BrainDamage: more you use it the better 2021-07-27T22:33:00 < mawk> they gave it to me when I was abusing my real credit card and gone -3000€ 2021-07-27T22:33:45 < mawk> BrainDamage: it's the exact inverse with me lol 2021-07-27T22:33:52 < mawk> the more debt I pay back, the less my banker trusts me 2021-07-27T22:34:03 < mawk> I had to plea for 10 minutes to get a mere 3000€ loan 2021-07-27T22:34:22 < mawk> "I have a job now, I have stable income, we are 2 in the household, please run the checks again" 2021-07-27T22:34:22 < BrainDamage> you would've never gotten it in the us 2021-07-27T22:34:28 < mawk> yeah I guess 2021-07-27T22:34:40 < kakium69> I heard that if you are loan free for 2years bank considers you not OK 2021-07-27T22:34:43 < ventyl> I would be terrible US citizen too 2021-07-27T22:35:36 < kakium69> I have been loan free for like.. 5-7years idk 2021-07-27T22:36:20 < BrainDamage> I never needed a loan because I got in an accident when I was a kid and got paid quite a decent sum as reparation 2021-07-27T22:36:26 < BrainDamage> and compound interests 2021-07-27T22:36:37 < mawk> do you have lasting damage BrainDamage ? 2021-07-27T22:36:41 < kakium69> BrainDamage: luckily not in americas 2021-07-27T22:36:45 < kakium69> rite 2021-07-27T22:37:23 < BrainDamage> mawk: me a minor scar, some stitches and slight nose cartilage deformation 2021-07-27T22:37:29 < mawk> I see 2021-07-27T22:37:42 < BrainDamage> my mother got a major scar and many stitches along her leg 2021-07-27T22:37:49 < BrainDamage> she shielded me with her body 2021-07-27T22:38:04 < BrainDamage> but the motorbike's clutch lever got in my nose 2021-07-27T22:38:17 < kakium69> yaiks 2021-07-27T22:38:20 < mawk> you were as pedestrians? 2021-07-27T22:38:23 < mawk> or motorbikers 2021-07-27T22:38:41 < kakium69> BrainDamage: in your nostril? 2021-07-27T22:38:41 < BrainDamage> pedestrians, and the guy was on a motorbike at estimated 100km/h 2021-07-27T22:39:16 < BrainDamage> kakium69: don't remember, i was 4, I just remember the pain and the blood 2021-07-27T22:39:38 < BrainDamage> and the bar where we waited for the ambulance 2021-07-27T22:39:48 < mawk> sipping a cocktail 2021-07-27T22:40:01 < BrainDamage> the scar and the stitches are on the upper part of my nose tho 2021-07-27T22:40:08 < BrainDamage> so if it got in, it got out too 2021-07-27T22:40:19 < kakium69> "take this. it will take the pain away" said bartender 2021-07-27T22:40:28 < mawk> lol 2021-07-27T22:40:41 < mawk> my father was doing above 200km/h on motorbike at night when drunk, a police car thought he was a fleeing thug so they bumped him 2021-07-27T22:40:50 < mawk> he flew for 15 meters, and broke 2 cervical bones 2021-07-27T22:40:56 < kakium69> lucky 2021-07-27T22:40:58 < mawk> but he wasn't paralyzed, miraculously 2021-07-27T22:41:02 < mawk> he still drinks though 2021-07-27T22:41:15 < kakium69> hopefully he doesn't drink and ride 2021-07-27T22:41:17 < mawk> he sued the cops and lost, because he was drunk 2021-07-27T22:41:21 < mawk> yeah I guess he stopped that 2021-07-27T22:42:52 < ventyl> 200km/h and just 15m long flight? 2021-07-27T22:42:57 < kakium69> someone I know overran end of runway on speedday on bike 2021-07-27T22:42:57 < ventyl> that must have been sudden stop 2021-07-27T22:43:24 < mawk> I think there was a wall or a crash barrier or something like that ventyl 2021-07-27T22:43:27 < mawk> it was on the parisian ring 2021-07-27T22:43:34 < mawk> it's not an open road 2021-07-27T22:43:45 < mawk> what's speedday kakium69 2021-07-27T22:44:05 < mawk> he broke more than the cervical bones, but they were the most concerning fractures 2021-07-27T22:44:24 < kakium69> he said he only remember suddenly losing the bike under him and crawling at speeds over 200kmh 2021-07-27T22:44:37 < ventyl> I guess he wanted to write speedway 2021-07-27T22:44:41 < mawk> ah 2021-07-27T22:45:00 < kakium69> so they patched him up for months in hospital 2021-07-27T22:45:06 < kakium69> he had full gear on 2021-07-27T22:45:35 < ventyl> at those speeds, the gear only purpose is to keep the resulting ketchup together 2021-07-27T22:45:50 < mawk> lol 2021-07-27T22:46:00 < mawk> minimize friction when gliding on the asphalt at 200km/h also 2021-07-27T22:46:18 < kakium69> but he was crawling on grass and gravel 2021-07-27T22:46:25 < ventyl> local nickname for supersport motorbikes is "yoghurt", because that's all will remain of you once you crash 2021-07-27T22:46:49 < mawk> blood yoghurt 2021-07-27T22:46:58 < ventyl> flavoured one 2021-07-27T22:47:05 < BrainDamage> yog-hurts 2021-07-27T22:47:09 < kakium69> you mean nickname for the rider? 2021-07-27T22:47:16 < qyx> they will fix you with cable ties 2021-07-27T22:47:17 < ventyl> for bike itself 2021-07-27T22:47:25 < Ceafin> (sorry to jump in here, but) anybody use 'platformio.org' with vscode to make their stm32 things with success? 2021-07-27T22:47:34 < qyx> Ceafin: Jan- 2021-07-27T22:47:49 < qyx> oh you asked for success 2021-07-27T22:47:52 < mawk> lol 2021-07-27T22:47:53 < ventyl> :> 2021-07-27T22:47:56 < BrainDamage> given the history here, the succeess was very little 2021-07-27T22:48:09 < qyx> at least she tried 2021-07-27T22:48:17 < BrainDamage> then again, it was likely 50% due to the platform and 50% due to the attitude 2021-07-27T22:48:28 < mawk> lol 2021-07-27T22:48:43 < BrainDamage> you might try your luck, but pay in mind you're hammering a square peg in a round hole 2021-07-27T22:49:49 < Ceafin> hmm... okay, well had a buddy suggest it, and i was thinking about it, but i guess if it's going the same about of head-desk'ing involved than what i'm already doing with the stm32cubeide, then i guess i'll pass 2021-07-27T22:50:05 < bitmask> FUCK 2021-07-27T22:50:21 < bitmask> this water cooler cant handle two peltiers 2021-07-27T22:50:38 < bitmask> still only getting to -22C but the exhaust fan is warmer 2021-07-27T22:50:43 < ds2> square pegs do fit round holes with a sufficently large hammer 2021-07-27T22:51:17 < BrainDamage> ds2: yes, I chose the analogy intentionally, you might get it to work - with pain 2021-07-27T22:52:06 < ventyl> Ceafin: that platformio looks like some abstraction library built on top of stm32cube and other HALs. you'll get additional butthurt, not exchange one for another 2021-07-27T22:53:38 < ventyl> ok, I have to admit, that I don't have slightest clue WTF it is 2021-07-27T22:53:47 < ventyl> everything and nothing I guess 2021-07-27T22:53:55 < mawk> and some build system shit also I think ventyl 2021-07-27T22:53:58 < mawk> and libs and all that 2021-07-27T22:54:34 < ventyl> fuck it. CMake FTW 2021-07-27T22:54:56 < Ceafin> lulz 2021-07-27T22:55:09 < Steffanx> time for some music mawk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo3CKnCdb6o 2021-07-27T22:57:14 < qyx> any signal pro here? my signal has extremely high amplitude of < 2 Hz components, which I consider okay (a strain gauge), but how to cope with that? 2021-07-27T22:57:26 < qyx> is it common to use log scale for y? 2021-07-27T22:58:04 < qyx> a buddy (consumer of the data) told me they never use log scale 2021-07-27T22:58:15 < mawk> y ? 2021-07-27T22:58:31 < qyx> yes for y 2021-07-27T22:58:43 < ventyl> dependent axis 2021-07-27T22:59:08 < BrainDamage> dB is a log scale ... 2021-07-27T22:59:12 < mawk> if it makes sense to use a log scale then use it 2021-07-27T22:59:14 < mawk> I guess 2021-07-27T22:59:17 < BrainDamage> the log is just implicit 2021-07-27T22:59:45 < mawk> if your data is "multiplicative", meaning that the halfway between y = 100 and y = 1 would be y = 10 for instance 2021-07-27T23:00:32 < mawk> or between 10^20 and 1 be 10^10 2021-07-27T23:00:35 < qyx> I know what log/dB mean, but if I plot the thing in a log scale, the important parts are hidden 2021-07-27T23:00:41 < BrainDamage> the only annoying thing of log scales is that you won't see as well patterns, but you can learn intuition just the same 2021-07-27T23:00:51 < mawk> which important part qyx ? you mean low values? 2021-07-27T23:01:15 < BrainDamage> do you care about the 2Hz components? 2021-07-27T23:01:21 < mawk> you can change the log base so that low values are not hidden 2021-07-27T23:01:22 < BrainDamage> because you can just zero the fft 2021-07-27T23:01:24 * qyx uploads some pictures 2021-07-27T23:02:32 < qyx> this is the spectrum https://bin.jvnv.net/file/yn5MR/Screenshot_2021-07-27_22-02-08.png 2021-07-27T23:03:18 < qyx> zoom im a bit.. https://bin.jvnv.net/file/4a6nu/Screenshot_2021-07-27_22-02-53.png 2021-07-27T23:03:53 < qyx> and https://bin.jvnv.net/file/F9cAo/Screenshot_2021-07-27_22-03-39.png 2021-07-27T23:04:07 < qyx> this spectrum is okish 2021-07-27T23:05:24 < qyx> but lets consider https://bin.jvnv.net/file/peKEP/Screenshot_2021-07-27_22-04-43.png 2021-07-27T23:05:37 < qyx> it is very hard to determine any meaningful peaks in this one 2021-07-27T23:06:05 < BrainDamage> you want the peaks on the slope? 2021-07-27T23:06:17 < qyx> and theres a peak hidden somewhere at 0.55 H 2021-07-27T23:06:18 < qyx> Hz 2021-07-27T23:07:00 < BrainDamage> take the moving median of the fft and subtract it 2021-07-27T23:07:29 < BrainDamage> that'll give you only the spikes over the moving floor 2021-07-27T23:07:36 < BrainDamage> adjust the window size as necessary 2021-07-27T23:07:59 < qyx> hm yeah you are right 2021-07-27T23:08:06 < qyx> I did it in the past 2021-07-27T23:08:08 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T23:09:51 < qyx> but still, SAFU 2021-07-27T23:10:19 < BrainDamage> can you change the measurement setup? 2021-07-27T23:10:57 < BrainDamage> because that looks like 1/f noise 2021-07-27T23:11:21 < BrainDamage> you can mechanically modulate the signal, then lock-in at a shifted frequency 2021-07-27T23:11:52 < BrainDamage> you can easily get 10+Hz switching freq with a rotary contactor 2021-07-27T23:12:05 < BrainDamage> and unlike transistors, it won't add significant noise 2021-07-27T23:12:40 < BrainDamage> as third option, there's the 'autocommutating auto zeroing', as my prof used to say 2021-07-27T23:12:54 < BrainDamage> which is a fancy word for taking the baseline, and subtract it 2021-07-27T23:13:11 < qyx> the only noise source I think of right now is the input mux 2021-07-27T23:13:22 < qyx> together with sinc3+sinc1 fast settling filter 2021-07-27T23:13:33 < qyx> which may not be that fast as the mux switches channels 2021-07-27T23:13:36 < BrainDamage> the operation is equivalent to convolve two dirac deltas in time, which is a sin in freq 2021-07-27T23:14:17 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T23:14:23 < BrainDamage> and the 1st lobe of the sin will act as highpass 2021-07-27T23:14:53 < BrainDamage> and when you do the subtraction in hw, eg by switching a cap, you can do it before the noise's getting injected 2021-07-27T23:16:32 < qyx> I am using a reference circuit for AD7124-8 2021-07-27T23:17:17 < qyx> so I am not quite sure where does the noise comes from 2021-07-27T23:20:14 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-27T23:20:21 < qyx> so this is spectrum of the offset calibration data set with inputs shorted together https://bin.jvnv.net/file/4JZjL/Screenshot_2021-07-27_22-19-48.png 2021-07-27T23:20:36 < qyx> so I suppose the 1/f noise is inherent to the PGA 2021-07-27T23:21:05 < qyx> or Vref, but ref is a low noise LDO 2021-07-27T23:29:39 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T23:32:37 < qyx> it looks like AC excitation is the key 2021-07-27T23:33:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-27T23:35:22 < qyx> now I understand your recommendation 2021-07-27T23:40:08 < Steffanx> Wasnt blaxter blaxtering about that a while back? 2021-07-27T23:41:03 < qyx> was he? 2021-07-27T23:43:10 < Steffanx> I recall he was. Together with his microphone IC setup audioing it into lunix 2021-07-27T23:51:30 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Day changed Wed Jul 28 2021 2021-07-28T00:22:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-28T00:22:42 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-28T00:23:03 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T00:23:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T00:23:54 < Steffanx> Did you enjoy the music, mawk? 2021-07-28T00:35:37 < cluelessperson> ventyl, I'm kinda overloaded 2021-07-28T00:36:58 < ventyl> cluelessperson: ? 2021-07-28T00:38:13 < cluelessperson> ventyl, Looking at STM32Cube and I don't know where to starte 2021-07-28T00:38:22 < ventyl> ah, that's normal I guess 2021-07-28T00:38:33 < cluelessperson> I don't know why an entire IDE is required to just configure some options and convert C++ code to the firmware to flash 2021-07-28T00:38:49 < ventyl> it mostly is not 2021-07-28T00:39:08 < cluelessperson> hm, clock configuration, no idea what to set or how, leaving alone 2021-07-28T00:39:14 < ventyl> I've been able to rip HAL out of IDE and use it standalone, but then it all becomes cumbersome 2021-07-28T00:39:18 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-28T00:41:43 < cluelessperson> I basically expect "write some C++" "compile to binary, maybe using a library to support the chip" "flash" 2021-07-28T00:41:55 < cluelessperson> everything else is pure bloat 2021-07-28T00:42:16 < ventyl> well, this is MCU world, you have to create so called BSP, or some barebone replacement for it 2021-07-28T00:42:47 < ventyl> as even the simplest MCU can be wired in hundreds of ways, each requiring completely different initial configuration 2021-07-28T00:43:22 < cluelessperson> fair, I suppose I'd expect just to have a library/standardized api so you can just use it as intended from your code 2021-07-28T00:43:49 < cluelessperson> ventyl, thanks for hearing me out. :) 2021-07-28T00:43:58 < ventyl> the matter here is, that for example, almost every MCU has two to three different ways of providing clock 2021-07-28T00:44:00 < cluelessperson> So I have Cube open and a STM32 connected and the part number identified 2021-07-28T00:44:08 < cluelessperson> it gives me the option to "generate code", where do I write the code? 2021-07-28T00:44:12 < ventyl> and range of clock speeds it can operate 2021-07-28T00:44:17 < ventyl> it is up to you to configure all this 2021-07-28T00:45:03 < ventyl> TBH I don't know. I've never seen Cube running :) 2021-07-28T00:49:25 < cluelessperson> ventyl, would you be willing to help me jump in more? 2021-07-28T00:50:12 < zyp> cluelessperson, feel free to throw cube in the trash and grab libopencm3 or something else 2021-07-28T00:51:11 < ventyl> cluelessperson: I did as zyp suggests. but from era I was trying to live with Cube, there should be a repository, which integrates Cube with CMake 2021-07-28T00:52:35 < cluelessperson> okay, so Cube code generation output some stuff to the project directory 2021-07-28T00:52:59 < cluelessperson> main.c, stm32wlxx_hal_msp.c, stm32wlxx_it.c, system_stm32wlxx.c 2021-07-28T00:56:20 < ventyl> cluelessperson: well, all I can give you is the repository. but as I am looking around it, it will probably only confuse you more than you are right now 2021-07-28T00:56:40 < ventyl> check example projects, start with something simple as blinky 2021-07-28T00:57:13 < ventyl> it should contain everything ranging from Cube configuration to build system, so you can just run make and there should be a binary produced 2021-07-28T00:57:28 < cluelessperson> ventyl, seems to me the generated code sets a handful of registers. 2021-07-28T00:57:53 * cluelessperson whistles "for hes a jolly good fellow, but replaces all the words with "I don't know what I'm doing, for I don't know what I'm doing"" 2021-07-28T00:58:05 < ventyl> it probably sets up GPIO, interrupts and stuff 2021-07-28T01:05:00 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T01:16:03 -!- brdb [~alarm@c-73-218-240-52.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-28T01:23:21 -!- rapha [~jrs@user/rapha] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T01:23:24 < rapha> hi all 2021-07-28T01:24:25 < rapha> on a 32-pin STM32F303K8 (where Vref+ and VDDA share one physical pin), is it possible to disable the reference voltage generator programmatically, so that the pin may be used to power the analog circuitry externally from a clean power source? 2021-07-28T01:58:40 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T02:00:50 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-28T02:25:02 < machinehum> What the fuck 2021-07-28T02:25:12 < machinehum> Blue pills have gone up like 10x price 2021-07-28T02:25:32 < machinehum> 30$ CAD what the fuck 2021-07-28T02:25:43 < machinehum> Were those not like 3$ before or some shit? 2021-07-28T02:26:39 < specing> yep 2021-07-28T02:38:55 < machinehum> Well fuck 2021-07-28T02:41:00 -!- colorado is now known as fluiD 2021-07-28T02:51:38 -!- steve [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-28T03:08:37 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/I5q3yll.jpeg 2021-07-28T03:10:41 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/PDWkFb9.jpeg 2021-07-28T03:19:58 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T03:19:58 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-28T03:21:40 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-28T03:27:06 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T03:29:53 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I put that down in my notes. Thanks for sharing! 2021-07-28T14:19:31 < tct> didn´t know this existed. 2021-07-28T14:20:11 < englishman> i learned about it because Teledyne LeCroy rebrands it and resells it 2021-07-28T14:20:19 < tct> for 3x the price? :D 2021-07-28T14:20:22 < englishman> 2x 2021-07-28T14:20:28 < tct> damit, wanted to go with 2x first :< 2021-07-28T14:31:57 < zyp> englishman, does the usb port do anything useful, or is it fixed 5V? 2021-07-28T14:32:24 < englishman> can store logs on it or something 2021-07-28T14:32:30 < zyp> ah 2021-07-28T14:34:07 < jpa-> tct: when did you become insane? 2021-07-28T14:34:30 < Steffanx> Since meeting you (virtually).. obviously 2021-07-28T14:37:21 < tct> jpa-, that´s a question hard to answer. There is a chance that this was the state throughout and realization only came later. 2021-07-28T14:43:43 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T14:57:25 < rapha> hi again 2021-07-28T14:57:56 < rapha> does anybody know if a STM32F303K8 can be programmed to not output Vref on the Vref/VDDA pin, so that it can be used for powering the analog circuitry externally? 2021-07-28T15:00:22 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn159.95-103-127.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T15:00:24 < zyp> that's a part without dedicated vref, just vdda, right? 2021-07-28T15:00:38 < rapha> zyp: at least the 32pin package that's on the nucleo board, yes 2021-07-28T15:00:56 < rapha> (only the bga package has them physically separated) 2021-07-28T15:01:09 < zyp> vdda is a power input and must always be powered regardless of whether you're using the ADC or not 2021-07-28T15:01:12 < rapha> datasheet calls the pin "Vref+/Vdda" 2021-07-28T15:01:31 < rapha> zyp: sure, but i'd like to use a different power source for it than for vdd. 2021-07-28T15:01:37 < rapha> noise reasons... 2021-07-28T15:01:41 < zyp> yeah, that means vref is internally connected to vdda 2021-07-28T15:01:50 < zyp> different how? 2021-07-28T15:02:03 < rapha> a battery instead of the 5V from the laptop's USB 2021-07-28T15:02:14 < rapha> and the nucleo board does have a solder bridge for that purpose 2021-07-28T15:02:26 < rapha> after removing said solder bridge, you can measure 2.5V on the pin 2021-07-28T15:02:49 < rapha> as you may understand i'm reluctant to just feed an external voltage into it if there's something coming out of it 2021-07-28T15:03:04 < zyp> uh, I don't think that's how it's supposed to work, at all :) 2021-07-28T15:03:13 < rapha> humm, okay 2021-07-28T15:03:17 < zyp> the 2.5V you're measuring is probably leakage from ESD diodes 2021-07-28T15:03:21 < rapha> oh! 2021-07-28T15:03:37 < zyp> but anyway, let me look up something for you 2021-07-28T15:03:40 < rapha> okay, so nothing to be reprogrammed ... i can just hook up my battery and be fine? 2021-07-28T15:03:56 * rapha waits 2021-07-28T15:03:59 < zyp> not necessarily, no 2021-07-28T15:04:21 < zyp> but let me find a reference rather than giving you something I half remember 2021-07-28T15:04:24 < rapha> okay 2021-07-28T15:04:46 < rapha> Ctrl-F'd the heck out of the datasheet but couldn't find anything definitive so far :/ 2021-07-28T15:06:32 < zyp> https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32f303k8.pdf page 15, 3.4.1 2021-07-28T15:06:37 < jpa-> rapha: you can connect another voltage as long as it is within the specs of VDDA 2021-07-28T15:06:57 < zyp> requirements are VDDA >= VDD and VDDA must be provided first 2021-07-28T15:07:04 < rapha> oh sweet 2021-07-28T15:07:06 < rapha> thank you both!!! 2021-07-28T15:07:11 < jpa-> and <= 3.6V IIRC 2021-07-28T15:07:16 < rapha> oh, wait ... "be provided first"? 2021-07-28T15:07:20 < zyp> yes 2021-07-28T15:07:23 < rapha> how does one assure that other than manually? 2021-07-28T15:07:32 < zyp> supply sequencing 2021-07-28T15:07:38 * rapha googles 2021-07-28T15:08:35 < rapha> ah, seems to require dedicated hardware 2021-07-28T15:08:52 < jpa-> easy way is to connect the enable pin of the VDD regulator to the VDDA voltage 2021-07-28T15:08:56 < zyp> 3.4.2 also states that the power on circuit only monitors VDD 2021-07-28T15:09:09 < zyp> which explains why :) 2021-07-28T15:09:41 < zyp> all power supplies needs to be stable when reset is deasserted, and POR only checks when VDD is stable 2021-07-28T15:10:54 < zyp> IIRC some other stm32 datasheets actually states explicitly that VDDA and VDD needs to come from the same supply rail, but F3 seems to be less strict in that regard 2021-07-28T15:11:16 * rapha mumbles something about stable monovibrator something something 2021-07-28T15:11:46 < zyp> I'm also not convinced VDDA from battery and VDD from USB is all that useful 2021-07-28T15:12:29 < zyp> you need both for anything to work, which means your device won't work only on battery power, meaning the battery is pointless 2021-07-28T15:12:33 < rapha> what would be your preferred way of ensuring a clean analog supply in a lab setting? 2021-07-28T15:12:38 < jpa-> some other STM32s also monitor both VDD and VDDA for POR 2021-07-28T15:12:46 < zyp> filtering 2021-07-28T15:12:48 < jpa-> i remember having NRST being externally low when VDDA was missing 2021-07-28T15:13:09 < rapha> isn't trying to filter USB properly kind of like fighting windmills? 2021-07-28T15:13:21 < zyp> no? 2021-07-28T15:13:24 < jpa-> you won't be feeding 5V to a STM32 directly anyway 2021-07-28T15:13:30 < jpa-> just use a regulator with good PSRR 2021-07-28T15:13:34 < rapha> i mean, it _is_ a nucleo board 2021-07-28T15:14:13 < jpa-> besides, for a 12-bit ADC, you don't really need that clean supply 2021-07-28T15:15:11 < jpa-> if you are aiming for DC accuracy, go with a low noise regulator; if you are aiming for minimizing AC noise, a simple RLC filter is fine 2021-07-28T15:16:27 < jpa-> if you want to get fancy, pick low-microphonic capacitor for the filter - otherwise you'll get a spike every time you drop the board 2021-07-28T15:22:23 < rapha> hmm 2021-07-28T15:22:47 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-28T15:22:47 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T15:23:18 < rapha> okay let's say i take the 3V3 that comes out of the nucleo's built-in regulator and want to filter that and feed it into vdda (hoping it'll be on-line early enough, but let's disregard that for now) ... how do i know _how_ to filter it? 2021-07-28T15:24:27 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-28T15:25:25 < jpa-> rapha: one way is to first do it unfiltered, measure what you get and see what kind & level of noise you have 2021-07-28T15:26:01 < jpa-> another way is to consider what kind of noise would be most annoying to have in your data, and filter that out, whether it exists or not 2021-07-28T15:27:05 < jpa-> typically you would consider the frequency and amplitude of the noise, sometimes also the distribution (for example, switching on a fluorescent lamp nearby often creates a large spike, but it occurs very rarely) 2021-07-28T15:41:37 < rapha> hmm, found some websites that help with designing filters ... will have to play with that for a while, both virtually and then breadboardually 2021-07-28T15:43:12 < rapha> wondering how well-designed something like this little nucleo board can be considered. like, for example, have they paid proper attention to their ground planes and how/where analog and digital ground are connected, etc? 2021-07-28T15:46:32 < ventyl> rapha: I just can tell you that I have had my nucleo died suddenly after about two months of use 2021-07-28T15:47:31 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T15:48:27 < rapha> ventyl: well, that could be anything. touching it while not properly grounded when you first got it, for example. 2021-07-28T15:49:01 < ventyl> MCU works, it seems as if there is some short circuit somewhere 2021-07-28T15:49:12 < ventyl> it drains excessive amount of current from USB 2021-07-28T15:51:53 < jpa-> rapha: nucleos in general are not designed to maximize analog performance, but on the other hand STM32F303 does not have any particularly sensitive analog peripherals anyway 2021-07-28T15:52:19 < jpa-> i wouldn't bother with separate analog / digital grounds for a 12-bit ADC 2021-07-28T15:53:44 < rapha> there's just this noise which is (a) around half the magnitude of the signal and (b) definitely within the range of what can be represented with 12 bits without trouble. so it makes sense to try and get rid of it. 2021-07-28T15:55:09 < jpa-> rapha: what is the actual magnitude, in ADC units or in millivolts? 2021-07-28T15:55:33 < jpa-> and what does the 3.3V power rail look on a scope, and what does the input signal look on scope 2021-07-28T15:56:13 < rapha> problem is, i'm trying to help a buddy here, and he has his very own ideas of how to do this. for example, he uses this small 12V lead-acid battery to power everything that's not powered by USB and then he has an LM317 behind that battery followed up by an LD1117. neither of these evoke particular levels of trust in me when it comes to noise performance. and also, with that bridge there (between VDD and VDDA) 2021-07-28T15:56:15 < rapha> i'm wondering why the two supplies (3V3 out of the 1117 and 3V3 out of the nucleo's on-board regulator) are not frying one another. but it's so difficult to convince him of any changes. 2021-07-28T15:57:48 < jpa-> making random changes is just going to get random results, measure first 2021-07-28T15:57:56 < rapha> also he doesn't have a scope, he has this desktop PC based (PCI??) A/D converter thingy ... supposedly 24 bit or so, but i've just never worked with something like that, so i don't have much trust in it either. rn i'm at work; i'll post you the screenshots he showed me once i get home. 2021-07-28T15:59:55 < jpa-> why do you even bother? 2021-07-28T16:00:52 < rapha> hmm, good question. my gf keeps asking me that, too. 2021-07-28T16:01:19 < rapha> i think i'm feeling bad for him because this thing has been going on for more than a year now. 2021-07-28T16:01:52 < rapha> and he's trying to measure microvibrations using the pickup assembly of a DVD player. it *is* an interesting project, so i do have some curiosity, as well. 2021-07-28T16:02:03 < ventyl> well either he learns something on his own, or no amount of external aid will help 2021-07-28T16:02:58 < qyx> never try to measure vibrations, it is voodoo 2021-07-28T16:03:09 < rapha> also i was the one who mentioned that he might want to try an stm32 instead of an atmega328, whose ADC resolution is just not good enough for this. but then i use microcontrollers to do fun things with SPI sensors and LEDs, which is completely different from _this_. 2021-07-28T16:26:01 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T16:31:15 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-28T16:34:23 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T16:56:15 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@2601:84:c702:6650:b43d:83d:1be7:4c8d] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T17:01:05 < bitmask> good mornin 2021-07-28T17:01:30 < bitmask> and incase i dont see you, good afternoon, good evening, and goodnight 2021-07-28T17:02:43 < mawk> or other timezones 2021-07-28T17:15:24 < tct> damit, octave seems SO MUCH slower than matlab 2021-07-28T17:15:27 < tct> any opinions on that? 2021-07-28T17:15:46 < mawk> I use sage because I'm a rebellious guy 2021-07-28T17:16:01 < mawk> sage uses octave though I think, for some stuff 2021-07-28T17:16:29 < tct> tell me more 2021-07-28T17:16:42 < mawk> https://www.sagemath.org/fr/ 2021-07-28T17:16:56 < tct> gotta have that /fr/ in there :p 2021-07-28T17:17:08 < mawk> lol 2021-07-28T17:17:11 < mawk> of course 2021-07-28T17:17:29 < mawk> ah no it doesn't use octave 2021-07-28T17:18:02 < tct> oh, so this is a geogebra/jupyter type of deal? 2021-07-28T17:20:47 < mawk> it includes jupyter support yes 2021-07-28T17:20:50 < mawk> but it's not only that 2021-07-28T17:21:03 < mawk> it's a full matlab alternative 2021-07-28T17:21:18 < mawk> it's a modified python interpreter 2021-07-28T17:21:23 < mawk> you can do shit like f(x) = 42*x 2021-07-28T17:27:25 < tct> > python 2021-07-28T17:27:40 < tct> so only needs like 93 MB of binaries. 2021-07-28T17:31:58 < mawk> lol tct 2021-07-28T17:32:01 < mawk> sage is like 1GiB 2021-07-28T17:32:29 < tct> I will certainly have a look at it. I like the self-hosted approach. 2021-07-28T17:32:39 < tct> let´s see whether they have some demos. 2021-07-28T17:32:52 < mawk> the fact it's in a jupyter thing makes it pretty usable 2021-07-28T17:54:39 < qyx> wtf is jupyter, I have heard that word in the past 2021-07-28T17:55:00 < mawk> it's a thing to run python as if you were in mathematica qyx 2021-07-28T17:55:08 < mawk> using cells of code you can reorder and execute independantly 2021-07-28T17:55:12 < mawk> and all variables are shared between all cells 2021-07-28T17:55:26 < mawk> you can also add markdown cells to write text and add maths as latex 2021-07-28T17:55:34 < mawk> and you can see graph outputs from matplotlib or other graphing stuff 2021-07-28T17:55:50 < mawk> you also have magic commands from jupyter to browse directories or execute scripts or whatever, that start with % 2021-07-28T17:57:48 < englishman> in my experience it is an exercise in tedium and restarting stuff over and over 2021-07-28T17:58:00 < mawk> it looks like this qyx https://serveur.io/Synthetic_logs.html 2021-07-28T17:58:04 < mawk> that's the html output from a notebook 2021-07-28T17:58:09 < mawk> that's because technology hates you englishman 2021-07-28T17:58:13 < mawk> it never happens to anyone else 2021-07-28T17:58:20 < mawk> not at least since it's named Jupyter and not IPython anymore 2021-07-28T17:58:26 < mawk> and got a ton of new attention 2021-07-28T17:58:29 < mawk> especially from google 2021-07-28T17:58:33 < englishman> xilinx too 2021-07-28T17:58:50 < englishman> http://www.pynq.io/ 2021-07-28T17:58:59 < englishman> this actually worked quite well 2021-07-28T18:00:17 < mawk> ah nice 2021-07-28T18:03:33 < sauce> jupyter is really cool and makes me want to build more general purpose interactive CI systems 2021-07-28T18:17:34 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T18:43:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-28T18:59:17 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-28T19:03:23 < bitmask> oh boy oh boy oh boy 2021-07-28T19:03:30 -!- krjst [~krjst@2604:a880:800:c1::16b:8001] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-28T19:03:48 < bitmask> stm'ing for the first time in year(s)? 2021-07-28T19:04:35 < bitmask> what do i do :P 2021-07-28T19:04:50 < Steffanx> Enjoy this wonderful renewed adventure 2021-07-28T19:05:38 < bitmask> ty sir 2021-07-28T19:06:19 < Steffanx> Will you use the cube? 2021-07-28T19:06:42 < tct> I just used the cube the first time since it´s original release 2021-07-28T19:06:50 < tct> lots of stuff going on in there 2021-07-28T19:07:07 -!- krjst [~krjst@2604:a880:800:c1::16b:8001] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T19:09:44 < Steffanx> Not even truestudio? 2021-07-28T19:14:34 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T19:16:14 < bitmask> yea im gonna try the cube 2021-07-28T19:22:07 < srk> #decide mawk | notmawk 2021-07-28T19:22:08 < xnand> notmawk 2021-07-28T19:22:19 < mawk> :( 2021-07-28T19:22:23 < mawk> what did I do 2021-07-28T19:22:36 < mawk> #decide a | a 2021-07-28T19:22:37 < xnand> a 2021-07-28T19:22:38 < srk> you failed miserably 2021-07-28T19:22:39 < mawk> #decide a | 2021-07-28T19:22:39 < xnand> a 2021-07-28T19:22:42 < mawk> #decide a | 2021-07-28T19:22:42 < xnand> a 2021-07-28T19:22:43 < srk> #decide 2021-07-28T19:22:43 < xnand> `#decide a | b | c` to use the best AI out there to decide for you 2021-07-28T19:23:18 < mawk> #decide #decide | #decidz 2021-07-28T19:23:19 < xnand> #decide 2021-07-28T19:24:18 < Mangy_Dog> steffanx no need to worry about me accidently posting in the other channel any more :D 2021-07-28T19:34:14 < Steffanx> I wouldnt know. I left freenode too 2021-07-28T19:39:30 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-28T19:55:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T20:04:59 < sauce> my favourite part of the cube is creating a project and being greeted with multiple modals complaining about http errors 2021-07-28T20:08:41 < Steffanx> Not in my cube. 2021-07-28T20:13:33 < ventyl> hah, I am an idiot 2021-07-28T20:13:41 < ventyl> once again I didn't bother about ground connection 2021-07-28T20:19:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T20:19:22 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-28T20:37:46 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-28T21:11:02 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-28T21:46:45 < karlp> baseus making werid funky shit again: https://www.banggood.com/Baseus-CRDDSQ-01-5V-0_7MPa-Car-Washer-High-Pressure-Cleaner-Waterproof-Auto-Spray-Electric-Washing-Machine-p-1793944.html 2021-07-28T21:49:38 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T22:00:09 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-28T22:03:14 < Steffanx> Reviews are surprisingly good 2021-07-28T22:16:07 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T22:27:10 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-28T22:35:52 -!- Steffann [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T22:36:30 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-28T22:54:56 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T22:58:47 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T23:03:38 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T23:07:41 < kakium69> hello 69ers 2021-07-28T23:08:02 < ventyl> ehlo 2021-07-28T23:08:33 < mawk> who are you 69ing kakium69 ? 2021-07-28T23:08:52 < mawk> Steffann: reviews are surprisingly BANGgood 2021-07-28T23:08:55 < mawk> right??? 2021-07-28T23:09:06 < kakium69> mawk: myself 2021-07-28T23:15:14 < Steffann> Sexy times? 2021-07-28T23:15:27 < kakium69> hmm 2021-07-28T23:15:59 < kakium69> maybe netflix and no chill though 2021-07-28T23:17:17 < mawk> why no chill 2021-07-28T23:17:21 < mawk> what happened to poor kakium69 2021-07-28T23:18:43 < kakium69> netflix and chill = code for sexy times 2021-07-28T23:19:50 < ventyl> net, flux and solder = PCBs for nerd times 2021-07-28T23:20:02 < mawk> ah kakium69 2021-07-28T23:21:29 < kakium69> and very old code from 2015 or so 2021-07-28T23:22:53 < Steffann> more old please. Find your oldes codes 2021-07-28T23:23:09 < kakium69> :o 2021-07-28T23:23:42 < Steffann> *oldest 2021-07-28T23:25:57 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2021-07-28T23:26:42 < kakium69> "care to join me for a night tea and chill in my accomodations?" *in posh brittish accent 2021-07-28T23:27:06 < Steffanx> tea? 2021-07-28T23:27:30 < kakium69> idk 2021-07-28T23:28:11 < kakium69> I went back to times when tea was the newest craze 2021-07-28T23:31:03 < kakium69> interestings 2021-07-28T23:31:28 < kakium69> Dutch East India Company brought tea to europe 2021-07-28T23:33:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T23:37:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T23:48:58 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-28T23:49:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-28T23:49:58 < steve__> and the US is a sovereign state partly because tea was taxed too high 2021-07-28T23:50:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T23:50:35 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T23:51:57 -!- fluiD [~fluiD@161.97.231.145] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-28T23:52:42 -!- fluiD [~fluiD@161.97.231.145] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-28T23:54:18 < kakium69> they were like f these tea prices we independent now! 2021-07-28T23:54:20 < kakium69> ? 2021-07-28T23:54:21 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-28T23:57:34 < steve__> imagine how pissed they'd be if there was income tax 2021-07-28T23:58:45 < aandrew> https://dolosgroup.io/blog/2021/7/9/from-stolen-laptop-to-inside-the-company-network --- Day changed Thu Jul 29 2021 2021-07-29T00:01:22 < kakium69> bitlocker :D 2021-07-29T00:03:52 < PaulFertser> aandrew: cool thanks! 2021-07-29T00:04:26 < karlp> the "cmos" chip is kinda cute though... 2021-07-29T00:31:24 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@2601:84:c702:6650:b43d:83d:1be7:4c8d] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-29T00:46:47 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-07-29T00:47:14 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-29T00:47:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T00:48:00 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T00:52:03 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T00:54:21 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-29T00:55:43 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T00:55:46 < Steffanx> Interesting indeed aandrew 2021-07-29T00:55:53 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-07-29T00:56:54 < karlp> and a public salea c++ extension! 2021-07-29T01:03:55 < kakium69> https://i.redd.it/yh7mqqlyfrn11.jpg 2021-07-29T01:03:58 < englishman> so are Intel chipsets with built in TPM so far impermeable? 2021-07-29T01:04:36 < englishman> great link aandrew 2021-07-29T01:58:49 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-29T01:59:05 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-29T02:22:02 < aandrew> kakium69: wow I'm tagged in that picture 2021-07-29T02:22:07 < aandrew> universe brain 2021-07-29T02:22:40 < aandrew> I think it's FUCKING LOL that the goddamned TPM chip transmits sensitive info over an unencrypted SPI bus 2021-07-29T02:24:14 < ventyl> well, if you think of TPM as crypto-oracle, then there will always be some weak channel 2021-07-29T02:24:23 < ventyl> unless you encrypt all your digital communication 2021-07-29T02:25:03 < ventyl> that encryption key will most probably end up somewhere in RAM, you can go and hunt for it on DDR bus 2021-07-29T02:27:54 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T02:28:37 < PaulFertser> ventyl: or with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_boot_attack 2021-07-29T02:30:27 < PaulFertser> Which is much more practical than sniffing the DDR bus. 2021-07-29T02:32:18 < ventyl> PaulFertser: in this case I assume that it is not possible to boot anything else due to properly implemented secureboot 2021-07-29T02:32:32 < ventyl> so an attacker has to sniff some glue 2021-07-29T02:32:36 < PaulFertser> ventyl: physically moving DRAM sticks is possible though 2021-07-29T02:32:58 < ventyl> well, if they are not soldered (as this is a modern laptop) 2021-07-29T02:33:10 < PaulFertser> aandrew: the right way to use TPM: https://trmm.net/Heads_threat_model/ 2021-07-29T02:33:29 < PaulFertser> ventyl: in some modern laptops even SSDs are soldered :/ 2021-07-29T02:34:21 < ventyl> hm, soldered RAM actually *is* quasi-safe as it might be BGA with many pins inaccessible 2021-07-29T02:34:39 < ventyl> so it would be almost impossible to sniff it in the field 2021-07-29T02:35:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-29T02:38:41 < PaulFertser> Talking about secure boot, how does one sign UEFI itself? What makes it impossible to boot another UEFI image? 2021-07-29T02:38:58 < steve__> article says the TPM is "tamper resistant". If hooking up 6 probes is not considered tampering I don't know what is. 2021-07-29T02:39:33 < PaulFertser> The TPM hasn't revealed the secrets that it's not supposed to reveal. 2021-07-29T02:40:39 < steve__> o nvm it would system level tamper detection to protect the SPI 2021-07-29T02:40:59 < PaulFertser> You can do crypto operations inside TPM with the keys that can't be extracted from it. 2021-07-29T02:52:47 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-29T03:16:45 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T03:20:37 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T03:20:37 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-29T03:22:18 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-29T03:25:06 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-29T03:42:49 < Streaker> the TPM chip has a list of allowed keys and will only boot an image that's signed with an allowed key 2021-07-29T03:42:53 < Streaker> that's how I understood it 2021-07-29T03:45:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-29T03:45:26 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-29T03:57:39 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-29T04:11:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-29T04:19:29 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T04:33:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T04:35:55 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T05:22:34 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-29T06:12:35 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T06:19:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T06:29:26 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-29T06:30:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@047-034-183-147.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-29T06:46:21 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T09:15:04 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-07-29T09:26:31 < ventyl> TPM won't boot anything, early boot code, usually baked into chipset will try to check cryptohash with TPM in some way. most probably the early boot has to stuff some part of UEFI BIOS through TPM, which will calculate cryptohash and then compare it with stored value 2021-07-29T09:26:51 < ventyl> then early boot decides what to do 2021-07-29T09:27:13 < ventyl> this is then done later with every following stage building up the trust chain 2021-07-29T09:33:13 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-29T09:53:33 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T10:46:34 < PaulFertser> ventyl: so you got a new Intel x86 machine. How do you make sure UEFI will only ever boot in secure mode even if we assume the attacker can change flash IC that stores UEFI+ME shit? 2021-07-29T11:00:41 < ventyl> PaulFertser: there is early boot baked and immutable in whatever-bridge part of chipset 2021-07-29T11:01:01 < ventyl> as CPU can't access SPI flash content directly 2021-07-29T11:01:06 < PaulFertser> ventyl: ok, but how do you make it check the signature? 2021-07-29T11:01:52 < ventyl> bootROM reads early stage of flash bootloader and as it reads binary, it passes it through TPM to calculate cryptohash I guess 2021-07-29T11:02:19 < ventyl> if TPM says, it fits, then it jumps into flash bootloader. if not, then while(1) 2021-07-29T11:14:00 < PaulFertser> ventyl: but we know for a fact that UEFI can be replaced, e.g. with coreboot which is not signed. 2021-07-29T11:40:33 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-29T11:44:49 < ventyl> PaulFertser: bootROM is not part of UEFI. it sits in chipset and cannot be altered 2021-07-29T11:45:10 < PaulFertser> ventyl: ok, so how do you make it check UEFI? 2021-07-29T11:45:25 < PaulFertser> (or anything else stored on the flash connected to Intel PCH) 2021-07-29T11:45:47 < ventyl> well, CPU executes bootROM, which is immutable (therefore you trust that it wasn't altered) 2021-07-29T11:46:00 < ventyl> bootROM checks early stage of UEFI (or maybe all of it, dunno) 2021-07-29T11:46:29 < PaulFertser> ventyl: but in fact it doesn't. I can write anything to UEFI and CPU executes it. 2021-07-29T11:46:33 < ventyl> therefore you trust that UEFI was not altered, because bootROM which you trust has checked, that it matches 2021-07-29T11:47:03 < ventyl> that would make whole TPM completely useless 2021-07-29T11:48:14 < PaulFertser> ventyl: so you got a new Intel machine. How do you make it check UEFI? Or are you sure it does check it by default? This doesn't match my experience. 2021-07-29T11:49:18 < ventyl> well, first, I didn't have new Intel machine since like... 2004 and second, I am not sure if this is turned on by default. 2021-07-29T11:53:36 < ventyl> it is also possible, that UEFI simply is not checked on load. instead access to SPI interface allowing flashing it is protected by some means 2021-07-29T11:53:51 < ventyl> then you assume that nobody has hooked up SPI and flashed it from outside 2021-07-29T11:53:56 < ventyl> which is... meh 2021-07-29T12:08:08 < PaulFertser> Our server boards have sockets for SOIC16 flash, changing it doesn't even require any tools :) 2021-07-29T12:10:31 < PaulFertser> So I'm kinda interested in the topic. 2021-07-29T12:32:46 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@188-67-214-29.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-29T13:26:37 -!- Guest83 [~Guest83@147.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T13:26:44 -!- Guest83 is now known as Laurenceb 2021-07-29T13:27:32 < Steffanx> Wb Laurenceb 2021-07-29T13:28:19 < Laurenceb> sup 2021-07-29T13:29:14 < Laurenceb> I didnt realise there is support for stm32 lunix from st now 2021-07-29T13:29:39 < Laurenceb> official lunix on f4 discovery with support for all the peripherals 2021-07-29T13:30:33 < Laurenceb> I was looking at uboot, it looks feasible to abuse nvic to have real time code running on the same processor 2021-07-29T13:30:53 < Laurenceb> but lunix low level stuff uses a lot of interrupts 2021-07-29T13:31:12 < ventyl> f4 and linux? 2021-07-29T13:35:16 < ventyl> shit, mmu-less linux still lives 2021-07-29T13:44:35 < qyx> yeah I've tried that 2021-07-29T13:44:43 < qyx> F7 + sdram + spi flash 2021-07-29T13:45:02 < qyx> it mostly worked except it wasn't able to run any shell script 2021-07-29T13:45:28 < qyx> including init 2021-07-29T13:48:38 < Laurenceb> that sucks 2021-07-29T13:49:01 < Laurenceb> I was wondering if uboot could be modified to load code into CCM and run it independently using NVIC 2021-07-29T13:49:10 < Laurenceb> looks possible I think 2021-07-29T13:52:05 < ventyl> it seems, that uClinux is nowhere near the mainstream 2021-07-29T13:52:11 < ventyl> more like technical curiosity 2021-07-29T13:55:22 < Laurenceb> uClinux is literally dead 2021-07-29T13:55:34 < Laurenceb> but mmuless lunix is now part of mail kernel 2021-07-29T13:55:50 < Laurenceb> st-micro github has the sores for stm32f4 and f7 2021-07-29T13:57:30 < Laurenceb> I wonder how long you can take to service lunix ethernet interrupt 2021-07-29T14:01:34 < englishman> https://alexskra.com/blog/the-mermaid-is-taking-over-google-search-in-norway/ 2021-07-29T14:05:14 < Laurenceb> >using google search 2021-07-29T14:06:30 < Laurenceb> not quite as cancerous as google maps but its getting close at this point 2021-07-29T14:08:31 < englishman> who unbanned you 2021-07-29T14:08:55 < ventyl> lol :) 2021-07-29T14:09:30 < ventyl> Laurenceb: interesting, I recall that decades or two ago Linus rejected attempts to mainline mmuless operation 2021-07-29T14:09:54 < ventyl> with statement such as "if you want to do crazy stuff, do it. but not in mainline linux" 2021-07-29T14:10:56 < qyx> buildroot has f4 and f7 support 2021-07-29T14:11:00 < qyx> iirc 2021-07-29T14:15:45 < Laurenceb> heh looks like Linus got cucked 2021-07-29T14:16:20 < Laurenceb> google maps: all spam, no contours or footpaths 2021-07-29T14:17:09 < ventyl> fuck google 2021-07-29T14:17:10 < ventyl> use OSM 2021-07-29T14:18:35 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-29T14:18:46 < Laurenceb> or just victorian maps for 1870 2021-07-29T14:18:50 < Laurenceb> *from 2021-07-29T14:19:02 < Laurenceb> >contours >footpaths >in 1870 2021-07-29T14:21:12 < Laurenceb> google maps at this point is basically >buy shit >burgers >crap shop >road in the wrong place 2021-07-29T14:42:41 < Steffanx> I never had issues with that 2021-07-29T14:42:49 < Steffanx> Must be some britbong issue 2021-07-29T14:45:25 < ventyl> here, commercial maps have one problem. we are small country, therefore there is only one supplier of vector map data 2021-07-29T14:46:09 < ventyl> back, when iGo meant something, it split into mother-daughter pair of companies, because other player on the market (Tom Tom?) didn't want to buy data from company which supplies data to competition 2021-07-29T14:46:53 < ventyl> so now, mostly all online map services contain same geographical data. the only difference is in which service includes which release of map data and therefore what errors are in there 2021-07-29T14:47:44 < ventyl> once, around 10 years ago, there was some problem around ronding, thus vectors were not touching each other (similar to how apple maps looked like). each and every online service presented that bug sooner or later 2021-07-29T14:48:10 < ventyl> you wouldn't be able to get to nearest grocery store using those maps 2021-07-29T15:21:23 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-29T15:21:24 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T15:23:05 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-29T15:30:30 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T15:52:47 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T15:55:54 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-07-29T16:02:07 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T16:11:27 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [] 2021-07-29T16:13:25 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T16:30:21 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-29T16:33:06 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:dd4:effb:8124:8a0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-29T16:46:00 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:30a6:2c06:e4bb:7037] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T17:48:52 < Laurenceb> til pppd can take a script as the "device" 2021-07-29T17:48:54 < Laurenceb> too cool 2021-07-29T17:49:02 < Laurenceb> ip over literally anything 2021-07-29T17:49:32 < ventyl> ip over beer? 2021-07-29T17:49:41 < ventyl> that would be transverse version of beer over ip 2021-07-29T17:49:57 < Laurenceb> well I was looking for a way to do ip over rs485 2021-07-29T17:50:36 < Laurenceb> looks like a script to swap the ppp address field for proper hdlc addresses would work, along with ethernet style "carrier sense" and random backoff 2021-07-29T17:52:24 < Laurenceb> although for full ethernet replacement it would need a broadcast address 2021-07-29T17:52:45 < Laurenceb> but that would be impossible with pppd :( 2021-07-29T17:53:30 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T17:54:04 < ventyl> in p2p, there is no broadcast 2021-07-29T17:54:12 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-29T17:54:15 < Laurenceb> no way to do dhcp 2021-07-29T17:55:15 < Laurenceb> actually maybe you could have some sort of haxored system with two ppp emulated devices mapped to single rs485 port via the low level script(s) 2021-07-29T17:56:03 < Laurenceb> wait this is all stupid 2021-07-29T17:56:20 < Laurenceb> each rs485 device would only ever want to talk to the default gateway anyway 2021-07-29T17:56:53 < Laurenceb> so that could have a fixed hdlc address and run a dhcp server to assign ip addresses 2021-07-29T17:57:10 < ventyl> once you have ethernet link running, it should be possible to bridge it with regular ethernet network somehow 2021-07-29T17:57:14 < ventyl> and get broadcasts 2021-07-29T17:57:41 < Laurenceb> you can run vlan over ppp 2021-07-29T17:58:08 < Laurenceb> but that doesnt give you hardware broadcast over rs485 2021-07-29T17:59:41 < Laurenceb> but anyway I dont think its needed, as you only get ~250addresses anyway with hdlc, so they would have to be set with dip switches/whatever, so the gateway could be hardcoded to 0x01 or whatever 2021-07-29T18:01:07 < Laurenceb> aiui the gateway could have a dhcp server and assign addresses, but handling that might get a bit complex 2021-07-29T18:01:41 < Laurenceb> I think the gateway could just spawn a new ppp link for each connecting device 2021-07-29T18:03:12 < ventyl> do you need edge to edge communication? like device-behind-rs485 to device-behind-rs485 ? 2021-07-29T18:03:55 < Laurenceb> we have an rs485 network, and I was trying to come up with a way to run ip over it 2021-07-29T18:04:22 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T18:04:24 < bitmask> hi hi hi 2021-07-29T18:04:33 < Laurenceb> keeek I'm just trying to design the gateway side... 2021-07-29T18:04:46 < Laurenceb> it could use ppp over udp via localhost 2021-07-29T18:08:45 < Laurenceb> multiple instances of pppd, one per connected device, connecting via a script that relays data over localhost using udp, to a single interface script that talks to the rs485 device 2021-07-29T18:08:48 < Laurenceb> that might work 2021-07-29T18:09:04 < bitmask> hmm, where is my stlink, ive never used it 2021-07-29T18:11:00 < Laurenceb> actually as the rs485 interface script would spawn the pppd instances, it could just talk to them directly, simples 2021-07-29T18:11:24 < Laurenceb> keeek wut https://nakkaya.com/2012/08/20/poor-man-s-vpn-using-ppp-over-ssh/#:~:text=Poor%20man%27s%20VPN%20using%20PPP%20over%20SSH%20PPP,a%20modem%2C%20but%20any%20SSH%20creates%20secure%20ttys. 2021-07-29T18:11:29 < Laurenceb> even moar crazy 2021-07-29T18:12:54 < ventyl> wtf 2021-07-29T18:13:55 < bitmask> poor mans vpn is vpn 2021-07-29T18:15:48 < bitmask> wtf, how am i out of female barrel jacks 2021-07-29T18:17:08 < Laurenceb> ventyl: how to get internets in china 2021-07-29T18:17:18 < ventyl> how am I supposed to know that? 2021-07-29T18:23:55 < Laurenceb> https://linux-ppp.vger.kernel.narkive.com/Xcw4wgUF/ppp-over-rs-485 2021-07-29T18:24:05 < Laurenceb> wtf lunix emailerz 2021-07-29T18:24:26 < Laurenceb> this shit is easily possible with wrapper code around the rs485 hardware 2021-07-29T18:34:31 < Laurenceb> https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/interface/transceivers/MAX22500E.html 2021-07-29T18:34:33 < Laurenceb> damn 2021-07-29T18:34:52 < Laurenceb> ethernet btfo'd 2021-07-29T18:36:48 < Laurenceb> <50mW mean power consumption 2021-07-29T18:38:52 < Laurenceb> wait they lied lol, graph shown up to 540mW @100Mbps 2021-07-29T18:39:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T18:48:29 < englishman> is ppp over rs485 your solution for how to get internet in China? 2021-07-29T18:49:29 < englishman> fyi upgrdman is the one you want to ask for that 2021-07-29T18:54:07 < Laurenceb> lolno 2021-07-29T18:54:10 < Laurenceb> ppp over ssh 2021-07-29T18:56:56 < Steffanx> Dekar is good with china internet 2021-07-29T19:02:36 < Steffanx> https://github.com/EliasOenal/verzweiflung 2021-07-29T19:06:04 < octorian> Beyond the usual chip shortage situation right now, its amazing just how much STM loves to jack up the price (if you're ordering in quantities of less than 10000) the moment you start adding any half-reasonable amount of flash to one of their parts. 2021-07-29T19:06:32 < octorian> Meanwhile, all the up-and-coming competitors seem to basically start with an order of magnitude more flash, like its no big deal, and charge a cheaper price to begin with. 2021-07-29T19:11:40 < octorian> Also wish the L0 wasn't the only series that actually includes on-board EEPROM. 2021-07-29T19:12:27 < specing> octorian: sounds exactly like the AVR - stm32 situation years ago 2021-07-29T19:12:44 < specing> except this time stm32 is mainstream and they dont have to lift a finger? 2021-07-29T19:12:55 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T19:16:27 < octorian> Currently working on something that uses the STM32L052K8, and my code just barely fits within the 64KB of flash. But a lot of that is the sort of baseline overhead that's a price you pay once. So the rate of code growth is really small. 2021-07-29T19:17:12 < octorian> I can make it work, but I'd really like to move up to a 128KB part for a few reasons... Built-in DFU bootloader and/or enough flash to install my own bootloader (for end-user firmware updates), and maybe also enough headroom to add FreeRTOS to the mix. 2021-07-29T19:18:02 < specing> your code is phat 2021-07-29T19:18:10 < octorian> Though at non-10k prices, the STM32L072 is a big price jump for what it is. Though I doubt I can get one before December anyways. 2021-07-29T19:35:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-29T19:37:23 < Laurenceb> crapillary refill was ~62k iirc 2021-07-29T19:40:16 -!- rektide [~rektide@eldergods.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-29T19:40:31 * Laurenceb is confused how that ppp over ssh code works 2021-07-29T19:40:47 < Laurenceb> is it possible to have a blocking file stream between two processes? 2021-07-29T19:41:14 < jpa-> Laurenceb: named pipe 2021-07-29T19:41:30 < Laurenceb> I dont see how come pppd cant transmit faster than ssh can cope with 2021-07-29T19:41:40 < Laurenceb> jpa-: thats a fifo isnt it? 2021-07-29T19:41:47 < Laurenceb> so it can store data? 2021-07-29T19:41:55 < jpa-> yeah, some 4kB 2021-07-29T19:42:14 < Laurenceb> ooh wai there is an option in pppd 2021-07-29T19:42:31 < Laurenceb> to turn on blocking io to daughter io process 2021-07-29T19:42:33 < Laurenceb> wtf 2021-07-29T19:42:58 < Laurenceb> how do they do that in lunix? 2021-07-29T19:43:21 < Laurenceb> set FIFO size to 0? 2021-07-29T19:45:10 < jpa-> your ramblings are right within spec, common sense rejection ratio >= 80dB 2021-07-29T19:45:22 < Laurenceb> lulwut 2021-07-29T19:46:09 < specing> Hey laurencer 2021-07-29T19:46:57 < Laurenceb> I think F_SETPIPE_SZ is the answer to my question 2021-07-29T19:47:38 < Laurenceb> or if I was exceptionally bored I could read pppd sores 2021-07-29T19:54:12 < bitmask> musou black arrives on saturday, what to paint 2021-07-29T19:56:55 < bitmask> shit, i didnt label all my programming pins 2021-07-29T19:57:01 < bitmask> and altium wont open :P 2021-07-29T19:57:19 < bitmask> gotta do it the hard way 2021-07-29T20:01:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-29T20:06:10 < bitmask> dude, wtf 2021-07-29T20:06:21 < bitmask> this board is gonna blow up as soon as i apply power 2021-07-29T20:08:04 < aandrew> heh 2021-07-29T20:15:14 < bitmask> i dont see any bridges but continuity tester beeps with like all pins to each other, is that normal? 2021-07-29T20:20:22 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-07-29T20:20:35 < bitmask> 0.14 ohms between power in + and - 2021-07-29T20:22:19 < PaulFertser> We had a board where some vias were shorted to internal layers. 2021-07-29T20:47:24 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T20:50:21 < bitmask> im gonna apply power and watch it blow 2021-07-29T21:01:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T21:04:17 < bitmask> yea it aint workin :P 2021-07-29T21:04:44 < bitmask> grrr 2021-07-29T21:04:56 < bitmask> oh maybe i have another board populated 2021-07-29T21:12:05 < bitmask> oh nice i have 4 more, watch em all be fux0red 2021-07-29T21:13:33 < bitmask> wow i really fucked up the design on this one, they are all the same 2021-07-29T21:13:59 < bitmask> guess i shouldnt have soldered 5 full boards at once :P 2021-07-29T21:17:28 < bitmask> wtf, every pad is connected 2021-07-29T21:17:42 < bitmask> theres no copper removed around the pads 2021-07-29T21:30:32 < bitmask> fuck it was my file 2021-07-29T21:30:32 < bitmask> how did that happen 2021-07-29T21:41:53 < Steffanx> Lol 2021-07-29T21:48:00 < bitmask> its just the bottom layer, i might be able to xacto it 2021-07-29T21:48:20 < bitmask> this is why: https://i.imgur.com/EFTX7JT.png 2021-07-29T21:48:50 < bitmask> not sure what happened with that spacing, must have fucked up a rule or something 2021-07-29T21:53:02 < aandrew> I had a board like that -- there was no pullback on the inner layers on the vias so when the vias were plated, they shorted. it was actaully a decent short too, I couldn't clear it with some high current 2021-07-29T21:53:43 < aandrew> my solution was a 3/8" drill bit to drill out the vias and a LOT of the surrounding baord. :-) Thankfully there wasn't anything else useful in that area 2021-07-29T21:55:14 -!- Laurenceb [~Guest83@147.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-29T22:00:12 < bitmask> damn, i fixed most of it but the trim pots are in the way of two that i need to cut, i only soldered the trim pots on the one board at least, just gotta switch to another board 2021-07-29T22:34:11 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::801c] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-07-29T22:35:33 < bitmask> well it aint pretty but its sliced up 2021-07-29T22:35:40 < bitmask> lets try power again 2021-07-29T22:39:14 < bitmask> there we go 2021-07-29T22:46:02 < bitmask> to program you just need 3.3V/GND/SWCLK/SWDIO right? 2021-07-29T22:50:11 < PaulFertser> bitmask: right 2021-07-29T22:50:56 < bitmask> good, one thing i didnt screw up :/ 2021-07-29T22:54:18 -!- Helmholtz [~leibnizma@user/helmholtz] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T23:01:31 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::801c] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T23:07:02 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-29T23:25:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-29T23:47:32 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937d:9300::801c] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] --- Day changed Fri Jul 30 2021 2021-07-30T00:01:03 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-07-30T00:01:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-30T00:02:04 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T00:02:10 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T00:30:59 < karlp> heh, here's the generic one, after the baseus fancy one the other day: https://www.banggood.com/24V-5000mAh-Cordless-High-Pressure-Washer-Portable-Car-Cleaner-Water-Guns-Car-Washing-Maching-W-or-None-or-1-or-2-Battery-p-1860682.html 2021-07-30T00:36:36 < zyp> kärcher also makes something similar 2021-07-30T00:44:17 < mawk> zyp: \int_0^+oo x/(1+e^x) dx 2021-07-30T00:44:20 < mawk> I think 2021-07-30T00:44:24 < mawk> maybe swap x and e^x 2021-07-30T00:44:47 < zyp> huh? 2021-07-30T00:45:17 < zyp> use syntax that makes sense to me :) 2021-07-30T02:12:36 < mawk> zyp: \int_0^+oo x/(1+e^x) dx 2021-07-30T02:13:38 < mawk> https://serveur.io/Screenshot_20210730011319009.png 2021-07-30T02:13:39 < mawk> this 2021-07-30T02:19:06 < MrMobius> lol STM32CubeIDE deletes all of my code if i change a pin configuration in the tool 2021-07-30T02:19:09 < MrMobius> what in the actual fuck 2021-07-30T02:19:36 < mawk> you use it wrong MrMobius 2021-07-30T02:19:40 < mawk> probably 2021-07-30T02:19:43 < MrMobius> i hope so 2021-07-30T02:19:48 < mawk> have you need seen the USER CODE BEGIN and USER CODE END tags? 2021-07-30T02:19:53 < mawk> you need to put your code between them 2021-07-30T02:19:57 < mawk> otherwise, bye bye code 2021-07-30T02:20:03 < mawk> have you not seen* 2021-07-30T02:21:58 < MrMobius> how retarded 2021-07-30T02:22:10 < MrMobius> i deleted all of those since im not in kindergarten 2021-07-30T02:22:21 < mawk> ?? 2021-07-30T02:22:21 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-30T02:22:26 < mawk> put them back 2021-07-30T02:22:32 < mawk> or just configure cube otherwise 2021-07-30T02:22:43 < mawk> tell cube to make separate .c .h stuff and one .c per peripheral and so on 2021-07-30T02:23:04 < MrMobius> i cant believe what an awful idea this is 2021-07-30T02:23:08 < mawk> then put just calls to your own code in OTHER .c files in the cube-generated .c file 2021-07-30T02:23:15 < mawk> if you really can't bother to repsect the cube tags 2021-07-30T02:23:22 < mawk> why is it an awful idea? 2021-07-30T02:23:25 < mawk> it's actually a great idea 2021-07-30T02:23:34 < MrMobius> i stopped using their shitware in 2015 and thought they might have unstupided themselves 2021-07-30T02:23:38 < mawk> having as many .c as possible means you can not link with functions you don't need 2021-07-30T02:24:01 < MrMobius> ya multiple c files is ifne. its dumb that they put tags like that 2021-07-30T02:31:49 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-30T02:35:23 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T02:51:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-30T03:05:49 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@87-93-246-114.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T03:06:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-30T03:09:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T03:09:52 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [] 2021-07-30T03:19:42 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T03:19:42 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-30T03:21:24 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-30T04:21:05 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T04:23:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2021-07-30T04:29:25 -!- Alexer [~alexer@alexer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-30T04:36:17 -!- Alexer [~alexer@alexer.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T05:17:36 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-30T06:17:08 < bitmask> what are these msp versions of the initialization functions, i wrote all my stuff and it turns out all of it is pre-done in the msp versions 2021-07-30T06:18:47 < bitmask> son of a bitch, what a waste of time 2021-07-30T06:18:51 < bitmask> why is it all hidden away 2021-07-30T06:20:52 < bitmask> i miss stdperiph 2021-07-30T06:26:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T06:30:55 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-07-30T06:42:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2021-07-30T06:49:31 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T06:50:06 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-30T07:28:55 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T08:35:28 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-30T09:03:04 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T09:14:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T09:19:36 < zyp> mawk, pi^2 / 12 2021-07-30T09:22:48 -!- c4017w__ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T09:26:06 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-07-30T09:48:42 -!- R2COM [~R2COM@ip174-74-227-3.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-30T09:55:44 < mawk> yes zyp 2021-07-30T09:55:51 < mawk> I hope you didn't cheat and go to wolframalpha 2021-07-30T09:56:03 < zyp> of course I did 2021-07-30T10:00:37 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-30T10:03:35 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-30T10:19:23 < mawk> :( 2021-07-30T10:19:51 < zyp> :) 2021-07-30T10:19:57 < Steffanx> You know whats most awful about the cube, mawk.. its shit. 2021-07-30T10:20:46 < Steffanx> This code deletion is just fucked up. Have a bug in one of the libs fixed and they will happily undo your fix 2021-07-30T10:21:24 < Steffanx> How hard for them would it be to merge it (on request) 2021-07-30T10:21:37 < Steffanx> Even mplab has this feature 2021-07-30T10:22:43 < jpa-> or just have the code in git and design it as a reasonable library without needing a ton of code generation 2021-07-30T10:23:45 < Steffanx> It even regenerates the middleware files, which is fucked up 2021-07-30T10:25:24 < Steffanx> Thats just working around how shitty the cube's code generation is, jpa- :P 2021-07-30T10:30:21 < Steffanx> I recall there is an option to have it make backups before purging your changes, but im not sure 2021-07-30T10:32:46 < ventyl> if cube is done by same people who did STAPI, no wonder 2021-07-30T10:32:50 < jpa-> i assume one would have the results in version control anyway, so git add --patch and disgard what you don't want to change? 2021-07-30T10:33:23 < zyp> that's what I did when I worked on the stuff using ti halcogen 2021-07-30T10:33:51 < zyp> anytime I needed to make a change and regenerate, I just looked through the git diff and discarded the changes I didn't want 2021-07-30T10:35:33 < ventyl> long term, that's unbearable 2021-07-30T10:35:46 < zyp> depends how often you need to make changes 2021-07-30T10:35:58 < zyp> and how many patches you've got 2021-07-30T10:36:01 < ventyl> IME it always will be more often, than you thought it will be 2021-07-30T10:36:11 < zyp> idk 2021-07-30T10:36:31 < zyp> for me it was the easiest way to solve it 2021-07-30T10:37:35 < jpa-> for one work project, i had the original, vendor provided stuff in one branch (no code generation in that project though), and my modifications in main branch; then i just went to the original branch to extract an updated vendor package and merged stuff as normal 2021-07-30T10:38:20 < zyp> yeah, that's also a way to solve it 2021-07-30T10:38:43 < zyp> one branch to track original code that gets merged into a modified branch 2021-07-30T10:39:23 < Steffanx> But you are a overly experienced wonderful engineer jpa- . Not a beginner like many people that use the cube and get trapped 2021-07-30T10:39:36 < Steffanx> an* 2021-07-30T10:40:41 < jpa-> the road to becoming an accomplished cynical lazy engineer goes through many traps 2021-07-30T10:41:10 < Steffanx> Are you close? 2021-07-30T10:42:02 < jpa-> yes, only need to work on the "accomplished" part 2021-07-30T10:42:40 < zyp> I got lazy down for sure, not sure about the others 2021-07-30T10:53:41 -!- mawk [mawk@wireguard/contributor/mawk] has left ##stm32 [Leaving] 2021-07-30T10:53:46 -!- mawk [mawk@wireguard/contributor/mawk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T11:20:32 < Steffanx> I better stop using wireguard.. mawk is a contributor 2021-07-30T11:38:10 < mawk> :( 2021-07-30T11:44:47 < Steffanx> 😋 2021-07-30T11:45:35 < Steffanx> Is it vacation time for mawk soon? 2021-07-30T12:24:04 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T13:43:37 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T13:48:47 < mawk> not yet 2021-07-30T13:51:22 -!- PaulFertser [~paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-30T13:51:31 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T14:09:22 -!- jly [uid355225@id-355225.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T14:09:51 < jly> any of you bastids got a match? 2021-07-30T14:19:34 < mawk> a match for what jly 2021-07-30T14:19:53 < jly> idk 2021-07-30T14:20:01 < ventyl> for making a fire 2021-07-30T14:20:01 < jly> is there still an offtopic channel 2021-07-30T14:20:49 < jly> or did dr blaxter die from covid 2021-07-30T14:27:20 < Steffanx> Blaxter was banned 2021-07-30T14:27:27 < Steffanx> But he's allowed back in 2021-07-30T14:27:36 < Steffanx> Welcome jly. How are the days? 2021-07-30T14:27:46 < jly> good mate 2021-07-30T14:27:51 < Steffanx> You like the new duds? 2021-07-30T14:27:56 < jly> very good 2021-07-30T14:28:00 < jly> jolly does too 2021-07-30T14:29:54 < Steffanx> Yeah, she approved 2021-07-30T14:34:19 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T14:36:53 < englishman> thinking of mawk https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4207222/why-does-turn-turn-turn-equal-241217-524881 2021-07-30T14:39:12 < zyp> if I google «10 mil in mm» I get 0.254 2021-07-30T14:39:20 < zyp> if I google «10 mil to mm» I get 100 000 000 2021-07-30T14:39:50 < mawk> lol englishman 2021-07-30T14:41:15 < jly> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vUwt7fFr/10mil_to_mm.png 2021-07-30T14:41:21 < tct> any solar people in here? 2021-07-30T14:41:56 < tct> I´m being asked by some random dude who has two solar panels, apparently different ones, same nominal voltage but different nominal current whether he can directly connect them in parallel or series and I am honestly not sure what to tell him 2021-07-30T14:42:46 < zyp> sure, why not 2021-07-30T14:42:59 < tct> I feel like there could be problems in directly having solar panels in parallel - they are basically like diodes, no? 2021-07-30T14:43:06 < tct> and you wouldn´t just hook up diodes in parallel either 2021-07-30T14:43:23 < zyp> same nominal voltage sounds like same number of cells in series, so you'd put them in parallel 2021-07-30T14:43:50 < zyp> why not? 2021-07-30T14:44:13 < tct> run-away effect of one diode getting a bit more load, then getting hotter, therefore getting more load, then getting hotter, ... 2021-07-30T14:45:01 < zyp> yeah, but you're not putting power into PV, you're drawing it out 2021-07-30T14:46:17 < zyp> I believe panels are rated to withstand a shorted output, so you shouldn't even be able to overload it :p 2021-07-30T14:47:15 < tct> yeah, that makes sense 2021-07-30T14:47:23 < tct> well, I am asking because I don´t know and I wanted to understand so... ;-) 2021-07-30T14:48:13 < zyp> the issue with hooking two dissimilar panels together is that they might have different maximum power points, which means that the power you can get out will be less than the sum of what each individual panel could do with an independent MPPT 2021-07-30T14:51:10 < zyp> maybe the easiest way is to just test each individually first, then test both series and parallel and see which yields the most power 2021-07-30T14:53:59 < tct> yeah, before I posted here I already asked the guy whether those are ´bare panels´ or panels with electronics on them. he told me that they have some electronics on each panel and that they are sold as solar panels for charging power banks (some goal-zero yeti style stuff). I figured those would be MPPT trackers 2021-07-30T14:54:20 < tct> there is no harm in having those individual MPPT´s hooked together, eh? 2021-07-30T14:55:52 < zyp> ohh, like small shit with USB outputs? 2021-07-30T14:56:16 < zyp> well idk then 2021-07-30T14:56:33 < zyp> depends how well the two regulators behave when you connect the outputs together 2021-07-30T15:01:50 < Streaker> if one panel has a higher voltage than the other, then the lower voltage one is reverse-biased and no current will flow through it 2021-07-30T15:01:57 < Streaker> so that should be safe, no? 2021-07-30T15:07:21 < tct> thanks for the info, zyp 2021-07-30T15:20:00 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T15:20:00 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-07-30T15:21:41 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-07-30T15:23:19 -!- e3ef13f4ff44 [e3ef13f4ff@user/e3ef13f4ff44] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T15:23:21 < e3ef13f4ff44> hello 2021-07-30T15:23:39 < e3ef13f4ff44> i can't start timer in one pulse mode from uart dma tx cplt interrupt 2021-07-30T15:23:53 < e3ef13f4ff44> it looks like it started properly, but it doesn't work 2021-07-30T15:24:08 < mawk> does it work when you start it from regular code? 2021-07-30T15:24:11 < mawk> before trying in an irq 2021-07-30T15:25:34 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@87-93-246-114.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-30T15:26:54 < e3ef13f4ff44> yes, it works normally 2021-07-30T15:27:51 < e3ef13f4ff44> i fire the dma from the same timer 2021-07-30T15:28:04 < e3ef13f4ff44> then wait for dma complete and start the timer again 2021-07-30T15:31:11 < e3ef13f4ff44> but it doesn't start :c 2021-07-30T15:36:03 < e3ef13f4ff44> any ideas? 2021-07-30T15:37:44 < Steffanx> Youre using HAL I guess? 2021-07-30T15:38:11 < e3ef13f4ff44> cubemx hal 2021-07-30T15:38:19 < e3ef13f4ff44> it worked 3-4 years ago :D 2021-07-30T15:38:51 < Steffanx> Yeah, in that case I would step through the time start code to see if it does the right thing. 2021-07-30T15:39:03 < Steffanx> It returns no error. 2021-07-30T15:39:05 < Steffanx> ? 2021-07-30T15:39:05 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-30T15:39:15 < Steffanx> ?thanks xnand 2021-07-30T15:39:15 < xnand> I don't know about thanks 2021-07-30T15:40:17 < e3ef13f4ff44> Steffanx: no error, but i'll try again 2021-07-30T15:40:20 < e3ef13f4ff44> wait 2021-07-30T15:43:29 < e3ef13f4ff44> HAL_TIM_STATE_BUSY 2021-07-30T15:44:12 < e3ef13f4ff44> that's why it isn't starting 2021-07-30T15:44:17 < e3ef13f4ff44> but why it's busy? 2021-07-30T15:44:47 < e3ef13f4ff44> i fire dma at period elapsed interrupt 2021-07-30T15:45:18 < e3ef13f4ff44> how can i wait until timer isn't busy? 2021-07-30T15:45:35 < e3ef13f4ff44> just while loop? 2021-07-30T15:49:52 < e3ef13f4ff44> nope, still not working 2021-07-30T15:50:04 < e3ef13f4ff44> it hangs on while (htim1.State != HAL_TIM_STATE_READY); 2021-07-30T15:51:09 < ventyl> I'd expect that this needs to either have interrupt serviced or some handler to be ran 2021-07-30T15:51:42 < ventyl> or is hrtim1 mapped directly to timer register? 2021-07-30T16:25:54 -!- dobson` [~dobson@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T16:26:02 -!- mawk` [mawk@serveur.io] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T16:27:05 -!- mawk` [mawk@serveur.io] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-30T16:27:05 -!- mawk` [mawk@wireguard/contributor/mawk] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T16:32:39 < Steffanx> I bet it works when you stop it before you start it, e3ef13f4ff44 2021-07-30T16:33:11 < Steffanx> But not sure what you're doing so.. if thats really ago idea... 2021-07-30T16:34:09 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: mawk, dobson 2021-07-30T16:34:11 -!- mawk` is now known as mawk 2021-07-30T16:40:15 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-30T17:16:16 -!- jly [uid355225@id-355225.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-30T17:26:54 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T17:54:19 < bitmask> theres no need for a spi nvic if you are using dma right? 2021-07-30T17:58:57 < jpa-> usually no, but depends on your use case 2021-07-30T17:59:05 < jpa-> if you want some SPI interrupt, you'll have to enable it 2021-07-30T17:59:52 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T18:03:14 < bitmask> k, i dont think i'll need it but i'll see how it plays out 2021-07-30T18:04:39 < bitmask> and i ranted last night about these msp init functions autogenerated by cube. I wrote all that stuff myself before I found that. I'm guessing the msp functions get called automatically? 2021-07-30T18:06:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-30T18:12:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T18:12:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 2021-07-30T18:12:33 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T18:25:27 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-30T18:26:27 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-07-30T18:31:17 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-30T18:36:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T18:38:21 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T18:44:45 < Steffanx> It generated the calls bitmask ;) 2021-07-30T18:56:41 < bitmask> trueeeee :) 2021-07-30T18:58:47 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-30T19:00:32 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-30T19:00:34 -!- e3ef13f4ff44 [e3ef13f4ff@user/e3ef13f4ff44] has left ##stm32 [WeeChat 2.8] 2021-07-30T19:02:12 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T19:31:58 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T19:33:06 < bitmask> all fixed, 0 errors 2021-07-30T19:33:11 < bitmask> im sure it will work right away too 2021-07-30T19:35:02 < Steffanx> Ofcourse 2021-07-30T19:35:09 < Steffanx> I believe in you bitmask 2021-07-30T19:35:17 < bitmask> awww, arent you delusional 2021-07-30T19:35:50 < Steffanx> 👯🏻‍♀️👯🏽‍♀️👯‍♀️ 2021-07-30T19:36:24 < bitmask> haha 2021-07-30T19:36:35 < bitmask> that answers that 2021-07-30T19:43:56 < mawk> Steffanx https://youtu.be/JzHeX_0DNS0 2021-07-30T19:44:01 < mawk> it's a dutch guy 2021-07-30T19:44:05 < mawk> daniel dekker 2021-07-30T19:49:04 < ventyl> nah 2021-07-30T19:49:10 < ventyl> interwebs are cruel 2021-07-30T19:50:54 < Steffanx> Thats not your usual boom-boom mawk 2021-07-30T19:51:57 < mawk> no Steffanx are you disappointed? 2021-07-30T19:52:16 < mawk> my autocorrect was left on french, it corrected Steffanx to stérile 2021-07-30T19:52:22 < Steffanx> No its better than your usual boom boom 2021-07-30T20:17:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2021-07-30T20:22:50 -!- Guest83 [~Guest83@147.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T20:23:01 -!- Guest83 is now known as Laurenceb 2021-07-30T20:23:07 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/maps/@12.9259349,100.8731548,3a,26.3y,346.09h,87.76t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMeI1w5tcHfLihJxQpDzuxtfAH84CqIGAbWlSo8!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMeI1w5tcHfLihJxQpDzuxtfAH84CqIGAbWlSo8%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya136.43198-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352 2021-07-30T20:23:11 < Laurenceb> found ur dad 2021-07-30T20:23:49 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/maps/@12.9259349,100.8731548,3a,15y,327.19h,92.04t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipMeI1w5tcHfLihJxQpDzuxtfAH84CqIGAbWlSo8!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipMeI1w5tcHfLihJxQpDzuxtfAH84CqIGAbWlSo8%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya136.43198-ro0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352 2021-07-30T20:23:54 < Laurenceb> kekking hard 2021-07-30T20:26:15 < Laurenceb> le sex offender face 2021-07-30T20:27:15 < Steffanx> Not even funny. 2021-07-30T20:29:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T20:29:03 < Laurenceb> ^its Steffanx in the streetview confirmed 2021-07-30T20:29:11 < Steffanx> Whokay 2021-07-30T20:33:37 < Steffanx> British humor can be good, but yours is truly bad Laurenceb. Sure you're british. 2021-07-30T20:33:39 < Steffanx> ? 2021-07-30T20:33:39 < xnand> ? to query, ?=value to set, ?-forget to unset 2021-07-30T20:34:32 < BrainDamage> it's not like just because it's british it makes it british humour 2021-07-30T20:38:30 -!- pjb` [~pjb@2a01cb040b1ae100445395ee53681b27.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T20:39:31 < Steffanx> Sure. 2021-07-30T20:40:10 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-30T20:40:18 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-30T20:42:47 < Steffanx> Nevermind. Its better to ignore this 2021-07-30T20:47:55 < sauce> what a waste of a -b 2021-07-30T20:50:52 < PaulFertser> Better tell us about your recent $job developments please Laurenceb 2021-07-30T20:51:04 < Laurenceb> working on hyperloop 2021-07-30T20:51:35 < PaulFertser> Oh well, what about the interesting design decisions, prototyping results etc? 2021-07-30T20:52:41 < Laurenceb> heh 2021-07-30T20:52:58 < Laurenceb> somehow we are going to make a traction controller or something 2021-07-30T20:53:05 < Laurenceb> serious lack of management input atm 2021-07-30T20:55:10 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T21:28:19 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T21:36:02 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-07-30T21:37:17 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-07-30T21:41:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-07-30T21:51:10 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T22:31:35 < Laurenceb> http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2012/02/worlds-pyramids-globally-beaming-energy.html 2021-07-30T22:36:18 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-18b99d28.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T22:43:31 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T22:58:10 -!- pjb` [~pjb@2a01cb040b1ae100445395ee53681b27.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: renaming] 2021-07-30T22:59:07 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@87-93-246-114.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T23:00:29 -!- pjb [~pjb@user/pjb] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T23:10:49 < bitmask> ugh alright, two new st links ordered 2021-07-30T23:11:09 < qyx> sad story for those poor souls ever configuring their timer prescalers to 32 2021-07-30T23:11:17 < qyx> I can feel your pain 2021-07-30T23:11:55 * qyx resampling his data 2021-07-30T23:12:44 < Steffanx> lol what are you referring to qyx? What did i miss? 2021-07-30T23:13:33 < qyx> you have to set the prescaler to 31 in order to divide by 32 2021-07-30T23:17:02 < Steffanx> ah lol 2021-07-30T23:17:10 < Steffanx> poor soul indeed 2021-07-30T23:25:22 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-07-30T23:26:53 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T23:28:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-30T23:39:03 < kakium69> hello 69ers 2021-07-30T23:55:16 < zyp> bitmask, should have ordered some orbtraces instead --- Day changed Sat Jul 31 2021 2021-07-31T00:16:18 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T00:17:48 < Steffanx> Where to order? 2021-07-31T00:22:46 < zyp> not ready yet 2021-07-31T00:23:13 -!- Laurenceb [~Guest83@147.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-31T00:29:08 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T00:37:22 < Steffanx> Hah, too bad 2021-07-31T01:06:06 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. 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Unless you're pinging it with "V" which is a magic character that says next close should stop watchdog. 2021-07-31T17:18:00 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: of course it does 2021-07-31T17:18:07 < Laurenceb> ok I get it now 2021-07-31T17:18:17 < Laurenceb> I thought it configured the actual watchdog lol 2021-07-31T17:18:58 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: it can do that with ioctl. But you can only configure the timeout in seconds (within hardware limits) and set "nowayout" flag. 2021-07-31T17:19:11 < Laurenceb> yeah 2021-07-31T17:19:13 < Laurenceb> >The nowayout parameter determines what happens when the /dev/watchdog device is closed: is a heartbeat still expected or not? A value of 0 says that no further heart beats are expected 2021-07-31T17:19:30 < PaulFertser> There's also "pretimeout" etc. You shouldn't bother with that. 2021-07-31T17:19:44 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: once you enable nowayout you can't stop pinging watchdog. 2021-07-31T17:19:48 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-31T17:19:51 < Laurenceb> >Normally we would put the module name into /etc/modules, but what if starting the system takes longer than the fourteen seconds available 2021-07-31T17:20:07 < Laurenceb> I'm confused, does that apply even if nowayout isnt enabled? 2021-07-31T17:20:23 < Laurenceb> because /dev/watchdog wont be opened at boot time 2021-07-31T17:23:46 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@87-93-246-114.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-07-31T17:26:33 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: does bootloader enable the watchdog and doesn't disable it before starting Linux? 2021-07-31T17:26:50 < Laurenceb> I dont know 2021-07-31T17:27:01 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T17:27:08 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: where is that quote from? 2021-07-31T17:27:16 < Laurenceb> looks like my RPi4 has /dev/watchdog without any config being added 2021-07-31T17:27:18 < Laurenceb> that link 2021-07-31T17:27:24 < Laurenceb> https://vk5tu.livejournal.com/35721.html 2021-07-31T17:27:37 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: don't trust random articles, especially by those using arduino or raspberrypi. 2021-07-31T17:27:44 < Laurenceb> yeah lol 2021-07-31T17:27:50 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: of course any normal system has /dev/watchdog without any additional config. 2021-07-31T17:27:59 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-31T17:29:31 < Laurenceb> I'm confused, it looks like watchdog is enabled on the RPi 2021-07-31T17:29:44 < Laurenceb> but I dont see where the hardware timeout is configured/enabled 2021-07-31T17:30:41 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: sudo lsof | grep /dev/watchdog 2021-07-31T17:31:58 < Laurenceb> dont have lsof installed 2021-07-31T17:33:13 < Laurenceb> ah there is wdctl 2021-07-31T17:33:43 < Laurenceb> ok its enabled by default on RPi4 it seems 2021-07-31T17:33:51 < Laurenceb> with 15s timeout 2021-07-31T17:33:58 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: and what's feeding it? 2021-07-31T17:34:19 < Laurenceb> dunno... something is pinging it at 1Hz 2021-07-31T17:34:59 < Steffanx> isnt there something in the /boot/config.txt about the watchdog? 2021-07-31T17:35:14 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: apparently not on RPi >=3 2021-07-31T17:35:18 < Steffanx> ah 2021-07-31T17:35:29 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: when you have no lsof you can do for i in /proc/*/fd/; do ls -l $i | grep watchdog && echo $i; don 2021-07-31T17:35:46 < PaulFertser> e 2021-07-31T17:37:07 < Laurenceb> it didnt pick anything up 2021-07-31T17:37:11 < Laurenceb> weird 2021-07-31T17:37:39 < Laurenceb> I just tried a loop to look at watchdog counter using wdctl, its def being pinged at 1Hz 2021-07-31T17:37:51 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: then something opens and closes it. 2021-07-31T17:38:02 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: if watchdog daemon is not running probably it's systemd. 2021-07-31T17:38:04 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-31T17:38:23 < Laurenceb> is there a way to view systemd services? 2021-07-31T17:38:33 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: systemctl 2021-07-31T17:38:40 < PaulFertser> Shows them all 2021-07-31T17:38:47 < Laurenceb> wew, complex interface 2021-07-31T17:38:59 < PaulFertser> systemctl | grep -i watchdog 2021-07-31T17:41:44 < Laurenceb> nothing 2021-07-31T17:42:35 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: checked RuntimeWatchdogSec systemd config option? 2021-07-31T17:43:10 < Laurenceb> its commented out with a # 2021-07-31T17:46:04 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: that's weird, so no PID has the file descriptor opened are you sure? 2021-07-31T17:46:12 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/wVhnVb9w 2021-07-31T17:46:19 < Laurenceb> I cant see one with it open, no 2021-07-31T17:47:13 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: you can use auditctl to add a rule to get a log entry to see when something opens watchdog 2021-07-31T17:47:26 < Laurenceb> ok 2021-07-31T18:05:57 < Laurenceb> root 59 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Jul21 0:00 [watchdogd] 2021-07-31T18:05:59 < Laurenceb> found it 2021-07-31T18:07:46 < Laurenceb> clever16:05:56 2021-07-31T18:07:46 < Laurenceb> > its internal to the kernel, and isnt launched by anything 2021-07-31T18:08:02 < Laurenceb> no wonder I could find the config 2021-07-31T18:10:11 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: it's not something that feeds it. 2021-07-31T18:10:37 < PaulFertser> It's just a kernel thread that handles the hardware. 2021-07-31T18:10:49 < Laurenceb> hmm 2021-07-31T18:12:08 < Laurenceb> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/watchdog/watchdog_dev.c 2021-07-31T18:12:12 < Laurenceb> I'm not so sure 2021-07-31T18:12:23 < Laurenceb> Alternatively, if userspace has not opened the watchdog 2021-07-31T18:12:24 < Laurenceb> * device, we take care of feeding the watchdog if it is 2021-07-31T18:12:24 < Laurenceb> * running. 2021-07-31T18:14:29 < PaulFertser> If it's started in the first place. 2021-07-31T18:18:09 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T18:43:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T18:45:22 < Laurenceb> I think raspberry are using https://github.com/troglobit/watchdogd 2021-07-31T18:46:30 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: but if it's not running then it's not really used. 2021-07-31T19:01:18 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T19:02:29 < qyx> fellow octavers 2021-07-31T19:02:33 < Laurenceb> [875412.572269] watchdog: watchdog0: watchdog did not stop! 2021-07-31T19:02:34 < qyx> I have a 400 MB dataset 2021-07-31T19:02:38 < Laurenceb> looks like something broken 2021-07-31T19:02:58 < qyx> how to load the thing faster into octave? is there any faster loading format than csv? 2021-07-31T19:04:11 < qyx> aha save -binary 2021-07-31T19:27:29 < Laurenceb> wew it works 2021-07-31T19:27:51 < Laurenceb> just open /dev/watchdog with some c code and write 1 every <15s 2021-07-31T19:28:03 < Laurenceb> bash was being weird, but who cares about bash 2021-07-31T19:42:58 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@user/streaker] has quit [Quit: The sky is falling.] 2021-07-31T19:52:05 < BrainDamage> I told you it's literally just writing to a device file with a timer 2021-07-31T19:54:13 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-07-31T19:58:18 -!- Laurenceb [~Guest83@147.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-07-31T20:00:42 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T20:10:09 -!- Guest83 [~Guest83@147.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T20:11:21 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-07-31T20:59:26 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-31T21:20:47 < Guest83> incelephant rogers 2021-07-31T21:22:11 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T21:38:02 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T22:38:30 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T23:09:53 -!- rapha [~jrs@user/rapha] has left ##stm32 [WeeChat 2.3] 2021-07-31T23:22:35 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@178-221-125-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-07-31T23:22:42 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2021-07-31T23:29:26 -!- Ceafin [uid374335@id-374335.tooting.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-07-31T23:38:11 -!- Guest83 [~Guest83@147.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] --- Log closed Sun Aug 01 00:00:08 2021