--- Log opened Wed Sep 01 00:00:41 2021 --- Day changed Wed Sep 01 2021 2021-09-01T00:00:41 -!- lemmi [~lemmi@user/lemmi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-09-01T00:08:10 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-01T00:35:45 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-01T00:37:00 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T00:37:30 < kakium69> taliban have Sikorsky UH-60 helicopters :D 2021-09-01T00:38:06 < kakium69> aka. Black Hawks 2021-09-01T00:39:09 < kakium69> and they can fly them 2021-09-01T00:39:18 < kakium69> hecking conserning 2021-09-01T00:39:20 < mawk> are you sure they can fly them kakium69 ? 2021-09-01T00:39:31 < mawk> you need some training 2021-09-01T00:39:34 < mawk> it's not like a moped 2021-09-01T00:39:36 < kakium69> RT showed video 2021-09-01T00:39:49 -!- c4017w__ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T00:39:53 < kakium69> comment suggested that pilot have been trained 2021-09-01T00:40:52 < kakium69> maybe it's the parting gift to make taliban a friend 2021-09-01T00:40:54 < kakium69> ? 2021-09-01T00:40:56 < mawk> lol 2021-09-01T00:41:11 < mawk> well I read that there were 5 helicopter pilots in the afghan army 2021-09-01T00:41:16 < mawk> presumably they all defected to taliban 2021-09-01T00:41:24 < mawk> and that's why there was this video 2021-09-01T00:41:26 < kakium69> ofc they could just make afgan military pilots to fly for them 2021-09-01T00:41:39 < mawk> yeah 2021-09-01T00:42:21 < kakium69> what else do they have? 2021-09-01T00:43:10 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-01T00:43:11 < mawk> planes I think 2021-09-01T00:43:18 < mawk> but they can't fly them 2021-09-01T00:43:20 < mawk> then humvees 2021-09-01T00:43:32 < mawk> a lot lot lot of assault rifles, military outfits 2021-09-01T00:43:43 < kakium69> any abrams tanks? 2021-09-01T00:43:52 < kakium69> what planes? 2021-09-01T00:44:02 < mawk> kakium69: https://i.redd.it/qljetrmbodk71.jpg 2021-09-01T00:44:07 < mawk> the list is here 2021-09-01T00:44:49 < mawk> so small cessnas, and a handful of big troup transport shit 2021-09-01T00:44:52 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T00:45:04 < kakium69> they can start pilot training with super tucanos 2021-09-01T00:45:11 < kakium69> then move to bigger planes 2021-09-01T00:45:14 < mawk> no way they're flying the c-130 2021-09-01T00:45:25 < mawk> unless they take pilot lessons in america under a disguise 2021-09-01T00:45:32 < kakium69> why not? 2021-09-01T00:45:42 < kakium69> it's just a multiengine jet 2021-09-01T00:45:59 < mawk> they're sand people that can barely read 2021-09-01T00:46:08 < mawk> flying a large plane is complex 2021-09-01T00:46:11 < mawk> lots of buttons and shit 2021-09-01T00:46:14 < kakium69> some of them 2021-09-01T00:46:33 < mawk> helicopter is even harder 2021-09-01T00:46:38 < kakium69> indeed 2021-09-01T00:47:22 < mawk> taliban sees this, insta-seizure: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/C-130_Hercules_cockpit_hg.jpg/1024px-C-130_Hercules_cockpit_hg.jpg 2021-09-01T00:50:37 < qyx> 23:41 < mawk> well I read that there were 5 helicopter pilots in the afghan army 2021-09-01T00:50:40 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyl9FMHRfOE finnish comedy from 90s mawk 2021-09-01T00:50:47 < qyx> I suppose the situation here is about the same 2021-09-01T00:52:18 < mawk> lol 2021-09-01T00:57:45 < qyx> lol our entire air fleet consists of 29 aircraft and 15 helicopters 2021-09-01T00:58:08 < mawk> lol 2021-09-01T00:58:08 < mawk> less than talibans 2021-09-01T00:58:41 < qyx> 3200 personnel though, so probably enough pilots 2021-09-01T00:59:07 < qyx> you know the joke about switzerland 2021-09-01T00:59:43 < mawk> they're neutral 2021-09-01T00:59:53 < mawk> and keep nazi gold? 2021-09-01T01:00:26 < qyx> us army comes to ask them to use their tanks for a military exercise 2021-09-01T01:00:57 < qyx> a Swiss ask, is one enough or do you need both? 2021-09-01T01:01:46 < mawk> lol 2021-09-01T01:03:56 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-01T01:06:07 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T01:06:37 < catphish> anyone worked out a way to become a millionaire using stm32 yet? 2021-09-01T01:07:14 < mawk> catphish: ask tct 2021-09-01T01:09:06 < mawk> he did 2021-09-01T01:09:24 < kakium69> afganistan has 4trillion dollars worth of minerals 2021-09-01T01:10:11 < kakium69> I wonder if the parting gift was enough to resist mineral hungry neighbours 2021-09-01T01:10:38 < catphish> mawk: did he sell arm to the chinese? 2021-09-01T01:11:28 < catphish> i feel like i need to do something profitable soon :) 2021-09-01T01:12:39 < mawk> no catphish , he did something about graphical interfaces 2021-09-01T01:12:41 < mawk> why 2021-09-01T01:12:44 < mawk> did you quit your jobbb? 2021-09-01T01:13:00 < catphish> yes, for the second time in 12 months 2021-09-01T01:13:07 < mawk> why 2021-09-01T01:15:51 < catphish> various reasons, but 1) working in a team that doesn't have enough technical expertise so i end up having nobody to colaborate with 2) trying to do too many things at once 3) exhaustion 4) company too large and corporate for my taste 2021-09-01T01:16:25 < mawk> I see, seems to suck yeah 2021-09-01T01:16:55 < mawk> so you want to freelance now? 2021-09-01T01:17:03 < mawk> ask jadew he has an independant elektroniks business 2021-09-01T01:17:46 < catphish> mostly, my mental health is garbage right now, tired a lot, drinking too much, working in a fast growing business means i'm pressured to take on more than i can cope with 2021-09-01T01:18:29 < catphish> i will take some time to chill and hopefully find a project where i can focus properly 2021-09-01T01:18:50 < mawk> you drink alone? 2021-09-01T01:19:20 < mawk> or with frens 2021-09-01T01:19:33 < catphish> alone-ish 2021-09-01T01:19:48 < catphish> i'm married, but i drink at home, a lot more than my wife does 2021-09-01T01:19:55 < mawk> take https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disulfiram 2021-09-01T01:20:00 < mawk> radical solution to stop drinking 2021-09-01T01:20:12 < mawk> anti-booze pill 2021-09-01T01:20:34 < catphish> i've heard of that, not a bad idea 2021-09-01T01:21:20 < mawk> is it alcohol + tiredness alone that explain the mental health? 2021-09-01T01:21:30 < kakium69> hardcore drinkers don't mind antabuse 2021-09-01T01:21:54 < kakium69> are you beer guy catphish? 2021-09-01T01:22:03 < mawk> are you sure of that kakium69 2021-09-01T01:22:07 < mawk> it wrecks everyone 2021-09-01T01:22:16 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-01T01:22:37 < catphish> mawk: hard to say, i improved dramatically when i left my previous job, work stress has made things worse again, but impossible to say which is the root cause 2021-09-01T01:22:54 < mawk> yeah burn-out is serious 2021-09-01T01:23:19 < kakium69> drinking daily affects your health a big way 2021-09-01T01:23:28 < kakium69> without you even noticing it 2021-09-01T01:23:44 < catphish> i ran my own software company for nearly 15 years, essentially being on-call 24/7 2021-09-01T01:23:54 < kakium69> :o 2021-09-01T01:24:15 < catphish> as the company grew, i took on more projects, ultimately i just got tired and didn't want to work any more 2021-09-01T01:24:58 < mawk> why be on-call 24/7 though 2021-09-01T01:25:07 < mawk> set straight hours at which you can be called 2021-09-01T01:25:12 < mawk> and mute your phone outsie 2021-09-01T01:25:14 < mawk> outside 2021-09-01T01:25:14 < kakium69> contractor life 2021-09-01T01:25:29 < catphish> mawk: and what happens if something breaks during those hours? :) 2021-09-01T01:25:33 < mawk> they wait 2021-09-01T01:25:41 < catphish> that's not really an option with a saas business 2021-09-01T01:25:44 < mawk> assert dominance over them 2021-09-01T01:25:47 < mawk> ah 2021-09-01T01:25:51 < mawk> you can hire a devops slave also 2021-09-01T01:26:42 < catphish> anyway, i now drink about 80ml of alcohol a night when i work, which probably explains the tiredness 2021-09-01T01:26:47 < mawk> yes 2021-09-01T01:26:56 < mawk> and probably a lot of the mental health 2021-09-01T01:27:49 < mawk> alcohol is toxic 2021-09-01T01:28:00 < catphish> it tastes nice though 2021-09-01T01:28:31 < catphish> but yeah, i need to take more time i think, and deal with one thing at a time 2021-09-01T01:29:06 < kakium69> 80ml? 2021-09-01T01:29:12 < kakium69> of pure alcohol? 2021-09-01T01:29:29 < catphish> yes 2021-09-01T01:29:37 < kakium69> per night? 2021-09-01T01:29:39 < catphish> yes 2021-09-01T01:31:41 < mawk> so 60g 2021-09-01T01:31:44 < mawk> ± 2021-09-01T01:32:13 < catphish> yeah, about that 2021-09-01T01:35:01 < kakium69> beer? 2021-09-01T01:35:09 < catphish> kakium69: mostly 2021-09-01T01:37:20 < catphish> but also whiskey 2021-09-01T01:37:46 < catphish> it's time i gave it a break anyway, but somehow feels essential after work now 2021-09-01T01:38:04 < catphish> so going to give work a break first, and try to find something i enjoy to kill time 2021-09-01T01:42:48 < kakium69> alcohol is one of worst things to relax after work with 2021-09-01T01:42:48 < catphish> hopefully new stm32 projects! 2021-09-01T01:43:11 < kakium69> I just eat candy 2021-09-01T01:43:19 < catphish> well it's great short-term, but after a while it's kinda self sustaining 2021-09-01T01:43:29 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-01T01:43:34 < kakium69> there is no more relaxation 2021-09-01T01:43:51 < catphish> i actually bought myself a big cup of candy yesterday for the first time since i was a kid, it felt great 2021-09-01T01:44:36 < catphish> might do more of that and save it for the evening when i feel the inevitable exhaustion at about 7pm 2021-09-01T01:46:01 < kakium69> when I didn't have much moneys I drank water for fun 2021-09-01T01:46:08 < kakium69> also coffee 2021-09-01T01:46:20 < kakium69> ate one meal a day 2021-09-01T01:46:40 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-01T01:46:46 < kakium69> it's suprising how you can adapt to new baseline 2021-09-01T01:47:25 < kakium69> I felt fine 2021-09-01T01:48:37 < catphish> i went through a phase in 2019, didn't drink alcohol, only tea and one good meal, lost 20kg, felt awesome physically, but still didn't want to go to work any more 2021-09-01T01:48:49 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-01T01:49:11 < catphish> so i suspect 2 things are wrong with me, and i need to tackle both 2021-09-01T01:49:24 < kakium69> maybe it's not you 2021-09-01T01:50:36 < kakium69> maybe it is 2021-09-01T01:50:55 < catphish> well i'm gonna fix it :) 2021-09-01T01:50:57 < kakium69> but sounds like you need a new direction 2021-09-01T01:51:33 < catphish> yeah, gonna stop the work, and then the alcohol, and then see where i end up 2021-09-01T01:52:06 < catphish> hopefully with some weird electronics projects 2021-09-01T01:52:12 < kakium69> excite! 2021-09-01T01:58:18 -!- Drek45 [~jrept371@c-67-187-120-30.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-01T02:09:45 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T02:50:49 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-01T03:19:27 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-01T03:36:42 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit 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2021-09-01T12:41:48 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2021-09-01T13:01:16 < jpa-> it's not even that well made image, considering it appears as if the module is behind the box 2021-09-01T13:11:36 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T13:13:09 < zyp> I didn't see it that way before you pointed it out 2021-09-01T13:16:43 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-01T13:28:18 < qyx> lol same here 2021-09-01T13:29:00 < qyx> but yeah the bottom back edge line is going in front of the module 2021-09-01T13:30:42 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T13:35:01 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2021-09-01T13:37:51 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T13:47:49 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bingo 2021-09-01T19:43:20 < Steffann> Yes, Dr. of only posting boring shit 2021-09-01T19:44:47 < Laurenceb> Dr of shitposting 2021-09-01T19:47:33 < qyx> wheres R2COM 2021-09-01T19:47:43 < qyx> I need advice on tantalums 2021-09-01T19:52:31 < Steffann> He got bullied by j p a. He left 2021-09-01T19:52:50 < jpa-> Steffann: nice try but i see you talking about me! 2021-09-01T19:53:23 < Steffann> 🤓 2021-09-01T19:56:31 < qyx> ok not going to use tantalums, only he uses them 2021-09-01T19:58:37 < karlp> for most things you owuld classically use them for, you can use polymer electrolytics now I'm told... 2021-09-01T20:00:28 < qyx> I think the same but he doesn't 2021-09-01T20:00:57 < qyx> Kemet A759 should do 2021-09-01T20:02:04 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-01T20:02:05 < Steffann> I just didnt want to mention you, mr jpa- 2021-09-01T20:04:29 < englishman> tants are gr8 2021-09-01T20:04:57 < englishman> poly electrolytics still have those dumb footprints that break off if you look at them wrong 2021-09-01T20:10:05 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-01T20:16:19 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-01T20:22:25 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T20:45:15 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-09-01T20:50:53 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T20:53:00 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T20:53:46 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-01T20:58:45 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937e:d600::b696] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T20:58:51 < machinehum> Their shit just doesn't build https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/f/nordic-q-a/79015/fatal-error-command-exited-with-status-1-usr-bin-cmake---build-home-machinehum-projects-bike_tracker-ncs-nrf-applications-asset_tracker-build 2021-09-01T21:06:04 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2021-09-01T21:10:16 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-01T21:17:04 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T21:42:00 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-01T22:11:17 < b-rex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fICxwb2ubZk 2021-09-01T22:18:52 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T22:20:31 < kakium69> catphish: did you stop? 2021-09-01T22:21:13 < catphish> what, drinking? 2021-09-01T22:21:21 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-01T22:21:24 < catphish> no 2021-09-01T22:22:10 < Steffann> Did you stop snus, kakium69? 2021-09-01T22:22:17 < kakium69> no 2021-09-01T22:22:24 < catphish> i have no interest in doing so until i leave my job next week :) 2021-09-01T22:23:11 < catphish> after that, we'll see, it certainly won't be overnight! 2021-09-01T22:24:29 < kakium69> Steffann: it would make me a hypocrite to tell him to stop or tell it's easy 2021-09-01T22:25:17 < catphish> i'll be fine, just need to find something better to do 2021-09-01T22:35:15 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T22:43:40 < Steffann> No, kakium69. it would mean you care more about catphish than about kakium69. 2021-09-01T22:43:52 < kakium69> no 2021-09-01T22:44:25 < Steffann> kyllä 2021-09-01T22:47:15 < PaulFertser> Hm, fake RMA-223 is supposed to be ok but in fact it's somehow rather weak compared to regular rosin+ethanol, so weak that desoldering wick didn't do the job. 2021-09-01T22:51:20 -!- Helmholtz [~leibnizma@2001:470:69fc:105::3124] has quit [Changing host] 2021-09-01T22:51:20 -!- Helmholtz [~leibnizma@user/helmholtz] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-01T22:51:44 < Steffann> What are the health risks when using snus kakium69? 2021-09-01T22:51:47 < Steffann> i know nothing about it 2021-09-01T22:54:15 < kakium69> basically nicotine effects 2021-09-01T22:54:58 < kakium69> plus carcinogens 2021-09-01T22:55:17 < kakium69> but at least I don't inhale carcinogens 2021-09-01T22:57:40 < kakium69> "Literature reviews have estimated that users of snus have at least 90–95% less smoking-related mortality, with minimal reduction in life expectancy, if any at all [26, 27]. The health benefits of smokers who completely transition to snus use are similar to those reported for smoking cessation [28]" 2021-09-01T22:59:41 < kakium69> "Since there are no research results that prove a connection between snus and cancer, the EU decided to remove the demand for the cancer warning on Swedish snus in 2001." 2021-09-01T23:00:46 < kakium69> lets see what this warning says on snus puck 2021-09-01T23:01:45 < kakium69> "Denna tobaksvara skadar hälsan och är beroendeframkallande" 2021-09-01T23:02:05 -!- Fleck [~fleck@user/fleck] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-01T23:02:36 < kakium69> this tobacco product is harmful for health and addictive! 2021-09-01T23:06:39 < Steffann> :) 2021-09-01T23:34:17 < catphish> i'm just glad alcohol isn't harmful and addictive! 2021-09-01T23:39:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Thu Sep 02 2021 2021-09-02T00:03:47 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T00:08:46 < Laurenceb> 12 irc shitposts, you wont believe number 11 2021-09-02T00:10:25 < catphish> i have chocolate and tea now, much better 2021-09-02T00:12:09 < catphish> i have a complaint about innovation. when working in a busy team "ugh, ideas are cheap, so many possible projects, but so little time", as soon as i relax and have time to build something "..." 2021-09-02T00:15:50 < catphish> i might do some EV electronics soon though, hopefully stm32 time, assuming it can talk to canbus things 2021-09-02T00:17:33 < kakium69> friend made codes for controlling nissan leaf ev drivetrain etc. 2021-09-02T00:17:48 < kakium69> arduino everything 2021-09-02T00:18:23 < catphish> i'm looking at doing something very similar, hopefully stm32 2021-09-02T00:18:53 < catphish> linking parts from diffrent cars together with EV powertrains 2021-09-02T00:18:59 < kakium69> he had the drivetrain and tesla battery in his livingroom 2021-09-02T00:19:15 < kakium69> when I visited once years back 2021-09-02T00:19:34 < kakium69> also ran it from rectified mains 2021-09-02T00:19:43 < kakium69> savage 2021-09-02T00:19:55 < catphish> i built my own inverter a couple of years ago, but will probably use off the shelf stuff for a real EV project 2021-09-02T00:19:56 < kakium69> but it effectivelly does the thing 2021-09-02T00:20:11 < catphish> but would be nice to have a custom central controller 2021-09-02T00:20:23 < kakium69> inverter? 2021-09-02T00:20:35 < kakium69> serious power? 2021-09-02T00:21:23 < catphish> iirc it was a 100A IGBT module i was playing with, i never ran it at more than 100V @ 2A 2021-09-02T00:21:34 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T00:22:09 < kakium69> it was for electriciteet bicycle? 2021-09-02T00:22:19 < kakium69> long board? 2021-09-02T00:22:50 < catphish> it wasn't specifically *for* anything, i just wanted to learn how to drive a 3 phase motor 2021-09-02T00:23:15 < kakium69> did you implement all the tricks? 2021-09-02T00:23:24 < catphish> part of my long term goal to build an EV 2021-09-02T00:23:30 < kakium69> but if you do EV project 2021-09-02T00:23:43 < kakium69> sodomize or use as is ready made inverter 2021-09-02T00:23:52 < kakium69> from EV car 2021-09-02T00:24:18 < kakium69> friend also did new brains for some motor-inverter from some car 2021-09-02T00:24:21 < catphish> most motors have matched inverters, so i'll likey use a pair from an existing EV, indeed 2021-09-02T00:25:17 < Steffann> So does it actually work now, kakium69 ? 2021-09-02T00:25:34 < Steffann> As in drive around. 2021-09-02T00:27:05 < catphish> this is the inverter i was playing with, entirely overkill for my experiments https://i.imgur.com/C7yKUw5.jpg 2021-09-02T00:27:50 < kakium69> nice 2021-09-02T00:27:58 < kakium69> it's a beauty 2021-09-02T00:28:24 < catphish> interestingly, this was before i actually learned to use STM32 properly, so the board has a connector to connect stm32 or arduino dev boards 2021-09-02T00:29:14 < kakium69> is that a mother of capacitors there? 2021-09-02T00:29:34 < catphish> kakium69: it sure is, 80uF 1000V film iirc 2021-09-02T00:29:55 < catphish> this thing would power a small car in theory 2021-09-02T00:30:01 < kakium69> what is the voltage rating? 2021-09-02T00:30:05 < kakium69> for the whole thing 2021-09-02T00:31:10 < kakium69> http://packages.8dromeda.net/evprevia/gallery/ 2021-09-02T00:31:51 < catphish> kakium69: i think... 1200V 2021-09-02T00:31:58 < kakium69> and 100amps? 2021-09-02T00:32:02 < catphish> kakium69: yes 2021-09-02T00:36:36 < catphish> this is the igbt: https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/power/igbt/igbt-modules/fs100r12pt4/ 2021-09-02T00:39:53 < kakium69> leaf inverter had also battery charger in it 2021-09-02T00:40:00 < kakium69> in the same box 2021-09-02T00:40:44 < catphish> yeah, that's ideal, as long as it can be controlled 2021-09-02T00:40:47 < qyx> catphish: did it work? 2021-09-02T00:42:49 < catphish> qyx: yes, i drove a 250W motor quite successfully 2021-09-02T00:43:25 < catphish> i later swapped that hardware out for a smaller device with integrated current sensing 2021-09-02T00:43:45 < specing> catphish: is a 3phase battery charger the same as running the motor in regenerative breaking? 2021-09-02T00:44:13 < specing> so you can reuse the inverter, just tap the power in and pretend to be breaking 2021-09-02T00:44:20 < qyx> I mean that car 2021-09-02T00:44:22 < qyx> int he gallery 2021-09-02T00:44:33 < catphish> specing: i never played with regen braking, but from what i could tell, it's no different than accelerating, the current just goes the other way 2021-09-02T00:45:19 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-02T00:45:47 < specing> kakium69: was the charger a separate thing? 2021-09-02T00:45:58 < specing> in the box 2021-09-02T00:46:06 < catphish> that project looks cool, i want to build a lightweight car so i can get some decent speed, not worried about range :) 2021-09-02T00:46:19 < specing> catphish: velomobile? 2021-09-02T00:46:41 < catphish> specing: not that light, more like a buggy or kit car 2021-09-02T00:46:58 < specing> e-rickshaw? 2021-09-02T00:47:06 < catphish> lol 2021-09-02T00:47:10 < kakium69> go fast or accelerate fast, both, neither? 2021-09-02T00:47:31 < kakium69> 1 seat, 2 seat or more? 2021-09-02T00:47:46 < catphish> i'm mostly interested in acceleration, this would be my ideal kind of chassis https://mevltd.co.uk/images/sized/news_mev_1-5be7cce8266251776c657787c05de86e.jpg 2021-09-02T00:47:58 < catphish> but i need to get some advice about whether it will work 2021-09-02T00:48:14 < catphish> 2 seater 2021-09-02T00:48:51 < kakium69> carterham 7 ev? 2021-09-02T00:49:05 < catphish> a kit replica, but yes 2021-09-02T00:49:17 < catphish> that one is called a mev exocat 2021-09-02T00:49:46 < catphish> this is the chassis https://www.mevltd.co.uk/assets/images/gallery/NEARLY_DONE.jpg 2021-09-02T00:50:17 < kakium69> 200 horses to that is neck snapping fun 2021-09-02T00:50:36 < catphish> thats what i'm aiming for, or at least the EV equivilent acceleration 2021-09-02T00:50:53 < catphish> it likely doesn't need 200hp of actual power output 2021-09-02T00:51:08 < kakium69> I mean 200horses will smoke the tyres to.. 100kmh? 2021-09-02T00:51:26 < catphish> indeed 2021-09-02T00:51:27 < kakium69> nah maybe not 2021-09-02T00:51:40 < catphish> well, depends totally on geating, torque curve, etc 2021-09-02T00:51:50 < kakium69> yea maybe yes 2021-09-02T00:51:59 < kakium69> I kinda think of my moped 2021-09-02T00:52:18 < kakium69> but it puts 100horses to rear wheel at 80kmh 2021-09-02T00:52:21 < catphish> i know someone locally who converts classic cars to EV 2021-09-02T00:52:27 < catphish> i understand he wants help with electronics 2021-09-02T00:52:50 < kakium69> bellow 80kmh it gives couple of ponies to rear wheel 2021-09-02T00:53:19 < catphish> so i'm gonna go help him, and hopefully he'll give me some advice on what parts i can bolt onto that chassis 2021-09-02T00:54:09 < kakium69> once there was gravel on tarmac just 10meters from where I launched 2021-09-02T00:54:44 < kakium69> engine went straight to limiter and stayed there even after gravel ended 2021-09-02T00:55:16 < kakium69> I was like man this is sick I'm smoking my rear tyre 2021-09-02T00:55:38 < kakium69> then it got grip suddenly 2021-09-02T00:56:12 < catphish> i have a bad habit of using my rev limiter for traction control in the wet 2021-09-02T00:56:45 < kakium69> it jumped straight up after that and I needed to lift like in 0.2seconds 2021-09-02T00:57:02 < kakium69> then I hit my ballz to fuel tank 2021-09-02T00:57:15 < kakium69> when it dropped the front 2021-09-02T00:57:29 < catphish> lol 2021-09-02T00:57:45 < catphish> i've never riden a moped 2021-09-02T00:58:18 < catphish> though i do have a 600cc ninja 2021-09-02T01:03:22 < catphish> kakium69: what is the engine in those photos? looks a lot smaller than i'd expect 2021-09-02T01:06:30 < catphish> i was using an industrial motor previously https://i.imgur.com/mV5Iwyc.jpg 2021-09-02T01:07:36 < kakium69> leaf 2021-09-02T01:07:42 < kakium69> engine-inverter 2021-09-02T01:07:50 < kakium69> it's like 80hp or so idk 2021-09-02T01:08:09 < catphish> that might be enough for me actually 2021-09-02T01:08:22 < kakium69> there is codez and stuff 2021-09-02T01:08:47 < kakium69> problem is to get 300volts to that car 2021-09-02T01:08:58 < kakium69> for leaf motor you need about that 2021-09-02T01:09:13 < kakium69> or for any EV car salvage motor 2021-09-02T01:09:29 < specing> just install an extension cord 2021-09-02T01:09:38 < srk> put a 10kW one on each wheel 2021-09-02T01:10:08 < kakium69> mains powered EV? 2021-09-02T01:10:17 < srk> nah, battery :D 2021-09-02T01:10:17 < catphish> yeah, that was one of my biggest worries when i was playing before, the motor i was using requires 240VAC, so 340VDC 2021-09-02T01:10:32 < kakium69> worries is not over 2021-09-02T01:10:36 < specing> kakium69: yeah why not, like those electric lawnmowers 2021-09-02T01:10:51 < kakium69> you still need hundreds of volts 2021-09-02T01:10:56 < specing> srk: that's how you get your first pothole to be your last pothole 2021-09-02T01:11:00 < catphish> i think my perfect config would be one of those (around 80hp) on each rear wheel 2021-09-02T01:11:39 < catphish> but i have no idea how to mount such a thing, so again, will require mechanical advice 2021-09-02T01:12:34 < catphish> 340V is probably best got from am OEM batter pack designed for the inverter/charger in question 2021-09-02T01:13:10 < srk> specing: why? ~10kW peak BLDC is not that big 2021-09-02T01:14:49 < catphish> 10kw bldc would be quite small i think 2021-09-02T01:14:56 < catphish> i was looking at motors like https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293935045274?hash=item446fe4da9a:g:zA4AAOSw2p1f7d7M 2021-09-02T01:15:04 < srk> hmm this one is 70kg .. :-D https://www.ato.com/10kw-brushless-dc-motor 2021-09-02T01:15:05 < catphish> but... 400V supply is scary 2021-09-02T01:15:13 < srk> but that's 26.2kW peak 2021-09-02T01:15:52 < srk> something like this https://www.ato.com/5-hp-3-8-kw-72v-brushless-dc-motor .. 18.6kg 2021-09-02T01:16:01 < kakium69> leaf motor inverter is less than 70kg 2021-09-02T01:16:11 < kakium69> and it has ponies 2021-09-02T01:16:28 < specing> srk: maybe look for an e-scooter motor? 2021-09-02T01:16:35 < catphish> leaf motor is a lot more power than you said https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294228286068?hash=item44815f5a74:g:kIMAAOSwQxpgyM0R 2021-09-02T01:16:38 < catphish> at least that one is 2021-09-02T01:16:43 < kakium69> srk: first one looks like a servo 2021-09-02T01:16:44 < kakium69> ? 2021-09-02T01:16:58 < catphish> 110kW peak! 2021-09-02T01:16:59 < srk> specing: yeah, I've just googled randomly. I would use something like that 2021-09-02T01:17:15 < srk> neat 2021-09-02T01:18:01 < kakium69> catphish: friend said a lot more can be pulled than nissan does 2021-09-02T01:18:18 < catphish> interesting 2021-09-02T01:18:23 < kakium69> basically anything he has thrown at it 2021-09-02T01:18:28 < kakium69> wait 2021-09-02T01:18:36 < kakium69> it's the inverter that limits it 2021-09-02T01:18:54 < kakium69> so thats why he was making new brains for the inverter 2021-09-02T01:19:23 < kakium69> but he doesn't need the power because it becomes battery limited anyway 2021-09-02T01:19:31 < kakium69> so project is stalled 2021-09-02T01:20:25 < kakium69> but based on coiling and cooling and shiet the motor can do a lot 2021-09-02T01:21:21 < catphish> anyway, there's a few choices, but i can work with just about anything electrically so i'll get advice about the mechanical stuff first 2021-09-02T01:21:40 < catphish> leaf motor seems good *if* can stomach 400v battery 2021-09-02T01:22:31 < kakium69> if you want that neck snapping fun instead of cart for kids you need real EV motor and you need to figure out how to get them volts 2021-09-02T01:22:44 < kakium69> *kart ? 2021-09-02T01:23:20 < catphish> the full leaf setup seems like an easy way to go, motor, inverter, charter batteries 2021-09-02T01:23:49 < catphish> *charger 2021-09-02T01:32:27 < kakium69> codez available 2021-09-02T01:32:43 < kakium69> just connect can and ask power 2021-09-02T01:32:50 < kakium69> canbus 2021-09-02T01:33:20 < catphish> yeah that's 100% the easy way, just write something that connects to canbus and throttle pedal 2021-09-02T01:33:26 < catphish> which may also be canbus :) 2021-09-02T01:33:31 < kakium69> yebs 2021-09-02T01:33:45 < catphish> and other toys i guess, speedometer, ete etc 2021-09-02T01:34:26 < kakium69> it communicates like currents, voltages, temperatures, rpm 2021-09-02T01:34:32 < catphish> ideal 2021-09-02T01:34:53 < catphish> i'd quite like to learn how to control the motor too, but using the original inverter will likely be super easier 2021-09-02T01:35:04 < kakium69> thing is 2021-09-02T01:35:16 < catphish> my previous experiments were on induction motors, but most cars use synchronous 2021-09-02T01:35:18 < kakium69> the inverter doesn't know anything about the battery 2021-09-02T01:35:22 < catphish> so i'll have to start over 2021-09-02T01:35:27 < kakium69> so you can ask more than battery can deliver 2021-09-02T01:35:37 < catphish> makes sense 2021-09-02T01:35:55 < catphish> but conversely you can add more batteries i guess 2021-09-02T01:36:15 < kakium69> within voltage range you can do what you want 2021-09-02T01:36:32 < catphish> charging seems like it'll be hard 2021-09-02T01:36:53 < catphish> unless i get a ful matching set of battery, charger, and inverter 2021-09-02T01:37:20 < catphish> again, leaf battery might be easer 2021-09-02T01:37:31 < catphish> certainly easier that trying to build my own battery 2021-09-02T01:38:08 < kakium69> idk if leaf battery has been "hacked" 2021-09-02T01:38:29 < kakium69> idk if anyone knows how to talk with it 2021-09-02T01:38:39 < kakium69> ask the dude when you contact him 2021-09-02T01:38:48 < catphish> ah ok 2021-09-02T01:41:01 < catphish> well, any 300-ish volt battery will do, as long as it has a charger :) i'll ask everyone 2021-09-02T01:41:13 < catphish> and some serious safety features! 2021-09-02T01:41:47 < kakium69> make hv cables orange 2021-09-02T01:41:53 < kakium69> it's the law! 2021-09-02T01:42:07 < kakium69> idk 2021-09-02T01:42:14 < kakium69> it seemed important 2021-09-02T01:47:36 < catphish> i like those orange cables 2021-09-02T01:49:15 < kakium69> I think he had also a 1000amp relay 2021-09-02T01:49:29 < kakium69> expensive thing 2021-09-02T01:49:59 < kakium69> and smaller resistor thing to charge up inverter slowly before relay contacts 2021-09-02T01:50:37 < kakium69> there are many things needed and more you get included when you buy stuff the better 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has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T16:19:41 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T16:20:26 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T16:24:05 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-02T16:24:16 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T16:27:08 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE 2021-09-02T16:28:45 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T16:32:25 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-02T16:47:17 < bitmask> https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3x7d3/man-tosses-his-penis-out-of-car-window-during-car-chase-with-police 2021-09-02T16:47:42 < Laurenceb> >vice 2021-09-02T16:47:44 < Laurenceb> >news 2021-09-02T16:48:22 < b-rex> reminds me of an article i read in a physical news paper about 15 years ago. the headline was "Severed Penis Found". it was in a gas station microwave. apparently someone was warming up their piss to go cheat a drug test and forgot it. 2021-09-02T16:49:28 < bitmask> :) 2021-09-02T16:50:41 < Laurenceb> https://www.theonion.com/motel-welcomes-guests-with-complimentary-bed-bugs-on-pi-1847599513 2021-09-02T16:51:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.theonion.com/elizabeth-holmes-arrives-to-trial-with-prototype-for-bl-1847584107 2021-09-02T16:51:10 < Laurenceb> wrong link 2021-09-02T16:51:37 < mawk> why was it severed b-rex 2021-09-02T16:51:41 < ventyl> do you realize, you are reading bullshit? 2021-09-02T16:52:03 < mawk> I think Laurenceb knows what the onion is 2021-09-02T16:52:14 < Laurenceb> more accurate than vice 2021-09-02T16:52:47 < ventyl> nah, whatever 2021-09-02T16:56:24 < b-rex> babylon bee has been killing it lately with real news instead of fake news 2021-09-02T16:56:28 < b-rex> normally they're a fake news site 2021-09-02T16:56:49 < mawk> like which 2021-09-02T16:58:12 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] 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2021-09-02T17:42:02 < specing> evidently not 2021-09-02T17:42:45 < ventyl> Laurenceb: you can open one file in whatever mode in whatever amount of processes / threads you want. that's a legitimate way of IPC in POSIX environment (roughly equivalent to shared memory). you only have to deal with synchronization on your own 2021-09-02T17:43:48 < Laurenceb> ok, but lunix device driver pseudofiles dont behave the same way right? 2021-09-02T17:44:11 < ventyl> hm, that depends on device 2021-09-02T17:44:15 < karlp> it's all files :) 2021-09-02T17:44:17 < ventyl> some will return E_BUSY 2021-09-02T17:44:18 < karlp> ie, you _can_ 2021-09-02T17:44:23 < karlp> but it might not always do what you want... 2021-09-02T17:44:48 < ventyl> some can be opened multiple times (such as serial lines) 2021-09-02T17:44:51 < karlp> classic lolrence though, "can I read/write files with two handles?" 2021-09-02T17:44:55 < ventyl> but the result is essentially undefined 2021-09-02T17:45:05 < karlp> "hurhur, I _actually_ wanted to know about talking to some special devices multiple times...." 2021-09-02T18:09:09 < Laurenceb> anyone know where lunix detailed rtc/ntp logs go? 2021-09-02T18:33:21 -!- Simon-- [~sim@staff-nat.netnation.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2021-09-02T18:33:58 -!- Simon-- [~sim@staff-nat.netnation.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T18:37:55 < karlp> https://github.com/rust-embedded/svd2rust/issues/452 is kinda boring. 2021-09-02T18:38:20 < karlp> cube project is p /x *PWR and it nicely pretty prints it all out 2021-09-02T18:56:11 < srk> karlp: https://github.com/distrap/hgdb#inspecting-registers :) 2021-09-02T18:59:09 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T19:04:05 < karlp> yeah, there's a few svd options, it's just tediously not "standard" 2021-09-02T19:04:29 < karlp> honestly even just getting access to the registers is harder and les obvious than I thin it should be. 2021-09-02T19:05:00 < karlp> this _may_ be a sideaffect of using a very new only partially "upstreamed" target hal and peripherals crates, but might also just be "that's how it is" 2021-09-02T19:06:11 < karlp> but as soon as someone describers their poject as "this is a monad for x" they're already out of actoin 2021-09-02T19:06:45 < srk> it's just a monoid.. :( 2021-09-02T19:15:51 < jadew> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/518610865520377856/882787706487332904/bigsex.png?width=997&height=642 2021-09-02T19:16:24 < Laurenceb> >bigsex 2021-09-02T19:16:27 < Laurenceb> >discord 2021-09-02T19:16:51 < jadew> two things you disapprove with? 2021-09-02T19:18:44 < Laurenceb> lol 2021-09-02T19:18:51 < Laurenceb> how the hell does rtc work on lunix 2021-09-02T19:19:07 < Laurenceb> I assumed it would be fully integrated with ntpd/system time 2021-09-02T19:19:10 < Laurenceb> apparently not 2021-09-02T20:03:16 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-02T20:12:30 -!- icee 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I'm not able to pull out a dev board and try right now, and I've not been able to find it documented. 2021-09-02T20:13:01 < icee> Does accessing an invalid portion of the memory map generate a hard fault? 2021-09-02T20:13:45 < icee> I am teaching middle schoolers a computer organization and design class, and I'm thinking about giving them stm32's (probably g0) and a crude monitor that lets them enter machine code. I'd like to implement some "virtual hardware" where when they write to an address, i change it into writes to a screen etc 2021-09-02T20:16:54 < sauce> i would say a pure software simulation seems more suited for this application, there will be far too many edges and unintuitive / uninspectable failure modes to a hardware implementation 2021-09-02T20:20:17 < PaulFertser> icee: it should generate an exception but probably not necessarily hard fault, https://interrupt.memfault.com/blog/cortex-m-fault-debug 2021-09-02T20:33:05 < karlp> closures can only be coerced to `fn` types if they do not capture any variables 2021-09-02T20:33:09 < karlp> who fucking thought up this shit 2021-09-02T20:47:54 < icee> @Paul 2021-09-02T20:48:24 < icee> ack. PaulFertser -- Thank you. Yah, I'd seen that, ... it al ldepends on how they've hooked up the buses inside whether there's a bus error or just nothing happens 2021-09-02T20:58:22 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-02T21:40:40 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-02T21:55:40 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T21:55:44 < Laurenceb> holy sheeet its working 2021-09-02T21:55:49 < Laurenceb> Lunix behaving for once 2021-09-02T21:56:13 < Laurenceb> ntpd has to enter "synchronised" state, then system time is used to set RTC every 11 minutes 2021-09-02T21:57:04 < Steffann> Congrats with this great achievement Laurenceb 2021-09-02T21:57:08 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@static.88-198-34-209.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T21:57:28 < Laurenceb> ikr, I had to enter two lines in a config file 2021-09-02T21:58:09 < Laurenceb> then spend two hours abusing the time/date/ntpd config to test it was actually working 2021-09-02T21:59:57 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: and hwclock 2021-09-02T22:00:28 < Laurenceb> looks like its slightly off, maybe due to I2C lag 2021-09-02T22:00:30 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: what configs did you have to change though? 2021-09-02T22:00:43 < Laurenceb> /boot/config.txt, standard rpi stuff 2021-09-02T22:00:44 < sauce> idk about you but i have four different ntp implementations that run on linux in arm's reach 2021-09-02T22:00:58 < Laurenceb> sauce: yeah only ntpd worked for me 2021-09-02T22:01:03 < sauce> (which ntpd) 2021-09-02T22:01:03 < PaulFertser> I mean when you install ntpsec or chrony or systemd's timedated they all work like that out of the box. 2021-09-02T22:01:09 < Laurenceb> weird systemd shit was a failure 2021-09-02T22:01:55 < Laurenceb> but I'm running a complex system where local GPS is sometimes available, and sometimes it has to swap to remove NTP server 2021-09-02T22:02:11 < Laurenceb> only ntpd handles it all smoothly out of the box 2021-09-02T22:07:34 < PaulFertser> So just config.txt editing, huh. I soldered a Li battery to bananapi's RTC power input but I had to add a custom kernel module to change LOSCCTRL register on first boot to make it work. 2021-09-02T22:15:13 -!- c4017w__ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-02T22:25:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T22:31:19 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@213.0.112.122] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T22:33:25 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T22:37:10 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T22:45:52 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-02T22:49:36 < kakium69> Steffann: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46f2Pay2Cs0 some finnish musics from 2000s 2021-09-02T22:49:57 < englishman> ty for darude - sandstorm link 2021-09-02T22:50:18 < kakium69> np 2021-09-02T22:50:59 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T22:55:18 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@static.88-198-34-209.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-02T23:20:39 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-02T23:32:20 < karlp> "Arnavion | Rust is C++ with saner defaults" 2021-09-02T23:36:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-02T23:56:10 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@213.0.112.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-02T23:59:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Fri Sep 03 2021 2021-09-03T00:05:37 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-03T00:23:39 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T00:23:39 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-03T00:25:20 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-03T02:26:41 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.146.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-03T02:28:42 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.210.202] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T02:52:57 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-03T03:11:49 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2021-09-03T03:50:50 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T03:58:54 < bitmask> a day later and I still don't have a triangle drawn :P 2021-09-03T04:01:38 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-03T04:34:48 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T04:59:52 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-03T06:09:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T07:08:20 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@c-73-214-106-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-03T07:09:20 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T07:13:31 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937e:d600::b696] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-03T07:15:17 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@45.131.194.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T08:16:08 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2021-09-03T08:38:38 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T09:20:31 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn159.95-103-127.t-com.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-03T09:21:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-03T09:23:40 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn159.95-103-127.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T10:07:34 < Steffann> Paint.exe bitmask ? 2021-09-03T10:07:42 < bitmask> vulkan 2021-09-03T10:08:14 < Steffann> I know, but .. start with paint to finish today goal 2021-09-03T10:08:24 < Steffann> Today's* 2021-09-03T10:09:16 < Steffann> Does macos come with paint.exe? I don't recall it has something similar by default 2021-09-03T10:10:47 < bitmask> dont think so 2021-09-03T10:11:02 < bitmask> i actually just got the the visible triangle a minute ago but i have an error im working on 2021-09-03T10:11:26 < bitmask> like i should have the triangle but im having trouble loading the shader file so it just stops before doing anything 2021-09-03T10:11:47 < bitmask> i would really like to get it working but i have no idea why file reading is broken 2021-09-03T10:13:03 < bitmask> gottta be path or permission shit 2021-09-03T10:13:20 < Steffann> Your file reader is already asleep 2021-09-03T10:13:57 < bitmask> haha this code is 1000 lines with the glsl shader codes just to display a triangle 2021-09-03T10:34:25 < ventyl> Steffann: it didn't use to. but built in image viewer has some limited abilities such as crop and hilight 2021-09-03T10:38:34 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/VCewkj4.png 2021-09-03T10:38:37 < bitmask> booya grandma 2021-09-03T10:38:47 < bitmask> first vulkan result :) 2021-09-03T10:53:02 < Steffann> Time to 3dify it now? 2021-09-03T10:54:49 < bitmask> time for bed 2021-09-03T10:55:04 < bitmask> later 2021-09-03T10:55:06 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Spin-locks are typically used for resources that are only held for a short period. So if a thread attempts to lock a spin-lock and finds it already taken, it will "spin" until it becomes available." ok, that makes sense for multiprocessor systems 2021-09-03T17:07:11 < ventyl> zyp: yeah, there's send event instruction 2021-09-03T17:07:13 < zyp> I did something like that in my coro scheduler code 2021-09-03T17:07:59 < jpa-> so you'd have lock() { while (!free) { wfe(); } } and release() { free = true; sev(); } 2021-09-03T17:08:16 < bitmask> now that I have a triangle in vulkan, what should I make? next gen FPS? 2021-09-03T17:08:27 < bitmask> MMO 2021-09-03T17:08:29 < ventyl> i managed to deal with such stuff in scheduler lock-free and wait-free 2021-09-03T17:08:29 < zyp> IIRC I've got a critical section around if(!ready_tasks) { wfi(); }, because otherwise a task can get set as ready between the check and the wfi 2021-09-03T17:08:42 * karlp blocks his ears again 2021-09-03T17:09:07 < zyp> so it does wfi(), then leaves the critical section to allow ISRs to run, and then rechecks if there's now ready tasks 2021-09-03T17:09:10 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, i do the same, also because otherwise an interrupt could get serviced that changes state of system to "shouldn't sleep anyway" 2021-09-03T17:09:15 < zyp> yes 2021-09-03T17:09:59 < ventyl> I use sacrifice variables 2021-09-03T17:10:24 < ventyl> or shadow, or how you'd call them 2021-09-03T17:10:27 < jpa-> which god do you sacrifice them to? 2021-09-03T17:10:53 < ventyl> jpa-: jupiter, mostly 2021-09-03T17:12:03 < ventyl> sched_yield() runs a loop through list of threads, finds the most suitable to be ran and at the end of loop unconditionally writes it into thread_next for current CPU 2021-09-03T17:12:21 < ventyl> but thread_next is an array having two fields, 0 is major, 1 is sacrifice/shadow 2021-09-03T17:12:26 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/R8cvK 2021-09-03T17:12:50 < ventyl> if ISR causing priority change is executed during this, then volatile variable thread_next_tgt is changed from 0 to 1 2021-09-03T17:13:16 < ventyl> thus thread_next[thread_next_tgt] = thread_id will cause thread_id to be written into shadow field nobody cares about 2021-09-03T17:13:23 < ventyl> wait free lock free 2021-09-03T17:13:43 < jpa-> ventyl: and then you execute wfi() and go sleep waiting for an interrupt that never comes? 2021-09-03T17:14:06 < ventyl> jpa-: kernel never calls wfi / wfe 2021-09-03T17:14:24 < zyp> how do you sleep then? 2021-09-03T17:14:30 < ventyl> worst case scenario is that the only runnable thread is os_idle_thread(), which calls it 2021-09-03T17:15:15 < zyp> ah, that doesn't work for me 2021-09-03T17:15:27 < ventyl> i tend to avoid hanging in kernel context 2021-09-03T17:16:18 < zyp> coroutines are cooperative multitasking, not preemptive, so if I had an idle task calling wfi, it'd never be preempted to stop it from going to sleep 2021-09-03T17:16:43 < ventyl> this kernel can be preemptive if you configure it be like that 2021-09-03T17:17:36 < zyp> I mean, I could run cooperative coroutines in a preemptive thread if desired, but that'd be another multitasking layer 2021-09-03T17:18:33 < zyp> or I could add preemptive coroutines that executes in ISR context 2021-09-03T17:18:45 < ventyl> I wonder how long will it take, so that this concept of my OS hits unbreakable wall of something, which definitely cannot be done there 2021-09-03T17:19:51 < zyp> I've actually considered doing that, because I could then do something like «co_await interrupt;», and it'd go to sleep and wake up in ISR context 2021-09-03T17:20:45 < zyp> it seems like it'd be a good pattern for an interrupt driven state machine like an I2C implementation 2021-09-03T17:24:50 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.82.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-03T17:25:20 < ventyl> but I assume, that you are not using syscalls 2021-09-03T17:26:20 < zyp> nah, it's too lightweight to have/need that 2021-09-03T17:26:23 < zyp> although I could 2021-09-03T17:26:46 < ventyl> I have to 2021-09-03T17:27:13 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.82.210] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T17:30:37 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-03T17:30:37 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-03T17:31:48 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T17:40:36 < karlp> hrm, libopencm3's exti_enable_request() turns on both IMR and EMR. 2021-09-03T17:40:40 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-03T17:40:57 < karlp> rust just turns on imr 2021-09-03T17:41:08 * karlp lala's and pretends that doesn't matter in the real world. 2021-09-03T17:43:46 < karlp> look at this delightful example code: https://github.com/stm32-rs/stm32l4xx-hal/blob/master/examples/irq_button.rs#L24 2021-09-03T17:44:06 < srk> lol 2021-09-03T17:45:00 < karlp> you can laugh, it would be 50 lines in 3 files in ada. 2021-09-03T17:50:43 < mawk> <<<<<>><<><>>> 2021-09-03T17:51:05 < mawk> "48.mhz()" what is this sorcery 2021-09-03T17:51:23 < mawk> is it equivalent to mhz(48) like in D? 2021-09-03T17:51:32 < karlp> trait adding operations to uints, does a * 1000000 behind the scenes, 2021-09-03T17:51:36 < mawk> a 2021-09-03T17:51:40 < Steffanx> Using Unsafe {} in Rust. :O 2021-09-03T17:51:41 < karlp> but apparently compile time 2021-09-03T17:52:10 < mawk> like 48_MHz in C++ where you can define an operator that does that 2021-09-03T17:52:25 < mawk> or 48 _MHz in C if you dare to do #define _MHz *1000000 2021-09-03T17:53:09 < Steffanx> Lol 2021-09-03T17:53:20 < Steffanx> Do it, mawk 2021-09-03T17:54:21 -!- The_Jag [~The_Jag@host-80-180-182-58.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T17:55:05 < mawk> :( 2021-09-03T17:56:00 < mawk> bitmask: make a square now 2021-09-03T17:56:08 < bitmask> heh 2021-09-03T17:56:23 < bitmask> im about to start organizing and cleaning up what i have so far 2021-09-03T17:57:39 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T17:57:43 < Steffanx> I think your triangle should move. Then morph intoca square. 2021-09-03T17:57:49 < Steffanx> Into a 2021-09-03T17:58:31 < bitmask> slow down nelly 2021-09-03T17:58:55 < Steffanx> Then a piramid into a cube 2021-09-03T17:58:57 -!- Laurenceb [~Laurenceb@135.141.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T17:59:02 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.com/maps/@15.1680481,120.5884522,3a,20.1y,226h,82.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjlM8-oaO2KJar14sj-__tQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 2021-09-03T17:59:02 < Steffanx> While rotating 2021-09-03T17:59:47 < Steffanx> Can you stop that shit, Laurenceb.. 2021-09-03T17:59:58 < bitmask> seriously man 2021-09-03T18:00:09 < bitmask> stop focusing your life on dumb shit 2021-09-03T18:00:13 < Laurenceb> sorry I'll stop posting ur photos 2021-09-03T18:00:40 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2021-09-03T18:00:53 < bitmask> oh boy 2021-09-03T18:00:59 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!~Laurenceb@*.plus.net] by Steffanx 2021-09-03T18:00:59 < bitmask> ban hammer is making an appearance 2021-09-03T18:01:06 -!- Laurenceb was kicked from ##stm32 by Steffanx [Whopwhop] 2021-09-03T18:01:15 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx 2021-09-03T18:01:29 < Steffanx> Easy to avoid ban, but.. lazy 2021-09-03T18:02:30 < bitmask> i dont understand the appeal of what he shitposts all day 2021-09-03T18:03:17 < karlp> no one does 2021-09-03T18:16:07 < specing> karlp: I'm sure I could tell you how many lines in Ada it would be, if only rust was readable and one could understand what that oneliner does 2021-09-03T18:16:37 -!- The_Jag [~The_Jag@host-80-180-182-58.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: The_Jag] 2021-09-03T18:17:14 < specing> what matters is not number of lines or number of characters per line, but that everything is readable 2021-09-03T18:17:43 < specing> as you read code more often than you write it 2021-09-03T18:17:47 < specing> rust isn't readable 2021-09-03T18:18:05 < specing> Ada is. That is why I develop in Ada 2021-09-03T18:18:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-03T18:20:19 < karlp> oh, I fucking _hate_ that rust one liner. 2021-09-03T18:20:30 < karlp> that sort of shit is making me consider aborting back to C. 2021-09-03T18:20:42 < karlp> msot of it has been readable, if unwriteable... 2021-09-03T18:21:29 < mawk> why not C++ like big boys 2021-09-03T18:22:03 < karlp> why, so I can have it be just as obtuse wording as that rust shit? 2021-09-03T18:23:52 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-03T18:24:25 < mawk> you can write your C++ as you write your C 2021-09-03T18:24:30 < mawk> and use only C++ features that are not wordy 2021-09-03T18:27:24 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T18:36:47 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.82.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-03T18:39:35 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.132] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T18:41:10 < qyx> sup Steffanx, whatcha doin 2021-09-03T18:42:03 < Steffanx> Getting out of my car, going to prepare dinner, relax and.. idk 2021-09-03T18:42:06 < Steffanx> Lol qyx 2021-09-03T18:42:06 < qyx> a dutch ship is blocking our canal lock 2021-09-03T18:42:16 < qyx> where are your whereabouts 2021-09-03T18:42:35 < qyx> police is on the way, news says 2021-09-03T18:43:07 < mawk> why do you have a car Steffanx 2021-09-03T18:43:10 < mawk> very useless 2021-09-03T18:43:21 < mawk> take the SPRINTER 2021-09-03T18:43:43 < qyx> pretty sure he calls his ship a car 2021-09-03T18:43:55 < qyx> a did a suez mode 2021-09-03T18:44:46 < Steffanx> Marinetraffic.com which one, qyx? 2021-09-03T18:45:01 < mawk> the boat with immatriculation STEFFAN-NL-1 2021-09-03T18:45:16 < Steffanx> Mawk, because going by car takes 30 minutes, using the train 1 hour 2021-09-03T18:45:25 < Steffanx> + walking 2021-09-03T18:45:36 < Steffanx> + covid people 2021-09-03T18:46:00 < Steffanx> Also no SPRINTER 2021-09-03T18:47:43 < qyx> Steffanx: interesting, there is no ship inside, are they lying? 2021-09-03T18:49:16 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-03T18:49:26 < qyx> https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:17.543/centery:47.883/zoom:16 2021-09-03T18:50:51 < Mangy_Dog> Odd..... having an error... Are you not allowed to do || or in case switch? 2021-09-03T18:51:28 < mawk> no 2021-09-03T18:51:29 < qyx> no 2021-09-03T18:51:34 < Mangy_Dog> :/ 2021-09-03T18:51:35 < Mangy_Dog> poop 2021-09-03T18:51:54 < mawk> qyx: sjef? 2021-09-03T18:51:54 < qyx> if you need to or two cases, write them one after another 2021-09-03T18:52:02 < qyx> case first: 2021-09-03T18:52:03 < mawk> case a: case b: lolol; break; 2021-09-03T18:52:04 < qyx> case second: 2021-09-03T18:52:10 < qyx> blah; break; 2021-09-03T18:52:17 < mawk> and then you have to add a thousand special comments to disable your CI from crying 2021-09-03T18:52:23 < mawk> and even [[fallthrough]] in C++ 2021-09-03T18:52:32 < mawk> or __attribute__((__fallthrough__)) in C, if you have -Wfallthrough enabled 2021-09-03T18:52:51 < Mangy_Dog> spent ages writing kernning values for the whole upper lower case alphabet and numericals :p thought it was inefficiant to have it itemised cases for each character. So bunched it to the ones that have matching values.... and yeah getting error 2021-09-03T18:53:24 < mawk> it says position received 8 hours ago qyx 2021-09-03T18:53:47 < mawk> maybe the ship turned off the transponder to prevent sneaky people tracking it on marinetraffic.com 2021-09-03T18:54:04 < mawk> yes so just do it like that Mangy_Dog 2021-09-03T18:54:09 < mawk> instead of case A || B: you do case A: case B: 2021-09-03T18:54:13 < mawk> just as easy 2021-09-03T18:54:19 < qyx> hm yeah the position is late indeed 2021-09-03T18:54:25 < Mangy_Dog> nods but felt it might take up uneeded code space 2021-09-03T18:54:30 < Mangy_Dog> https://pastebin.com/Tu5JZEcs 2021-09-03T18:54:32 < mawk> put it on the same line then 2021-09-03T18:54:38 < mawk> case a: case b: 2021-09-03T18:54:53 < Mangy_Dog> dont worry i kept a commented out case by case 2021-09-03T18:54:54 < Mangy_Dog> ohhh 2021-09-03T18:55:08 < Mangy_Dog> so line it up like case a case b instead of oring? 2021-09-03T18:55:15 < mawk> yes 2021-09-03T18:55:19 < mawk> case a: case b: 2021-09-03T18:55:56 < mawk> like this Mangy_Dog https://pastebin.com/WzvkKBkm 2021-09-03T18:56:15 < Mangy_Dog> okays 2021-09-03T18:56:50 < mawk> or you can do a look-up table if you want to feel like a super hacker 2021-09-03T18:56:55 < mawk> but a switch case has better performance 2021-09-03T18:57:02 < mawk> why are you doing manual kerning Mangy_Dog btw 2021-09-03T18:57:10 < mawk> why are you not using freetype or opentype or whatever 2021-09-03T18:57:30 < Mangy_Dog> as theres no baked kerning in the font system of this chip 2021-09-03T18:57:42 < Mangy_Dog> which is annoying tbh as it works in the simulator but not on the chip 2021-09-03T18:57:51 < Mangy_Dog> so its more like consol spacing 2021-09-03T18:58:04 < Mangy_Dog> so my previewing of text blocks sizes differently in the simulation than it does on my tricorder 2021-09-03T18:58:16 < Mangy_Dog> i also have to rewrite the text rendering system 2021-09-03T18:58:21 < mawk> which font system 2021-09-03T18:58:30 < mawk> https://www.freetype.org/ 2021-09-03T18:58:32 < Mangy_Dog> na 2021-09-03T18:58:36 < mawk> use a lib like this 2021-09-03T18:58:40 < mawk> and write directly to a framebuffer 2021-09-03T18:58:41 < Mangy_Dog> its rendered 2021-09-03T18:58:47 < mawk> yeah 2021-09-03T18:58:47 < Mangy_Dog> yeah cant do that 2021-09-03T18:58:48 < Mangy_Dog> :p 2021-09-03T18:58:49 < mawk> why 2021-09-03T18:58:57 < Mangy_Dog> the chip doesnt allow for it 2021-09-03T18:59:03 < mawk> why 2021-09-03T18:59:09 < Mangy_Dog> because its a graphics co processor 2021-09-03T18:59:13 < mawk> you don't have a framebuffer you can write to? 2021-09-03T18:59:24 < mawk> how do you write your current letters the 2021-09-03T18:59:24 < mawk> n 2021-09-03T18:59:26 < Mangy_Dog> not directly 2021-09-03T19:00:02 < Mangy_Dog> i either use the CMD_TEXT api thats built in... or I make my own api as i am right now where i take the asset file tile value 2021-09-03T19:00:22 < Mangy_Dog> and VERTEXT(x,y,bitmaphandle,char) 2021-09-03T19:00:28 < Mangy_Dog> and VERTEXTFii(x,y,bitmaphandle,char) 2021-09-03T19:00:36 < Mangy_Dog> sorry forgot the fii bit 2021-09-03T19:00:51 < Mangy_Dog> xy being the xy coords of the character 2021-09-03T19:01:05 < Mangy_Dog> and i create a function that draws a line or block of text 2021-09-03T19:01:30 < mawk> lame 2021-09-03T19:01:33 < mawk> why are you using a chip like this 2021-09-03T19:01:36 < mawk> and not a generic thing 2021-09-03T19:01:43 < mawk> what chip is that 2021-09-03T19:01:48 < Mangy_Dog> because its far more powerful than MCU graphics rendering 2021-09-03T19:01:49 < Steffanx> I see no dutch ship qyx 2021-09-03T19:02:07 < Mangy_Dog> i can hit 60fps in 99% of use cases 2021-09-03T19:02:14 < mawk> yes there is one Steffanx 2021-09-03T19:02:14 < mawk> it's called sjef 2021-09-03T19:02:16 < Steffanx> Its probably a polish captain or anything 2021-09-03T19:02:25 < Mangy_Dog> the one im currently using is the ft810 2021-09-03T19:02:29 < Mangy_Dog> ot bt810 2021-09-03T19:02:31 < Mangy_Dog> or 2021-09-03T19:03:10 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-03T19:03:18 < Mangy_Dog> all the text assets are baked fonts into a graphics asset 2021-09-03T19:03:18 < Steffanx> Cant find it then, mawk 2021-09-03T19:03:21 < Mangy_Dog> not font files 2021-09-03T19:03:33 < mawk> you haven't looked hard enough Steffanx 2021-09-03T19:04:17 < Steffanx> Ok 2021-09-03T19:04:32 < mawk> Steffanx: https://serveur.io/Screenshot_20210903180359945.png 2021-09-03T19:04:39 < mawk> here is sjef 2021-09-03T19:06:02 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.165] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T19:07:49 < Steffanx> Ah there. Phone is centered somewhere else 2021-09-03T19:18:03 < karlp> https://github.com/stm32-rs/stm32-rs/issues/616 this sort of shit is hilarious 2021-09-03T19:39:29 < jpa-> but the fix seems surprisingly sane 2021-09-03T20:09:34 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-03T20:17:11 < karlp> well, it now has to override an upstream svd... 2021-09-03T20:17:39 < karlp> still, absolutely no idea why, but I can't get any trace with rust at 32MHz, but works at 64. cube project happily works at either. 2021-09-03T20:21:26 < srk> clock config is hard 2021-09-03T20:26:56 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T20:36:10 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-03T20:37:18 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:5509:c25:12c0:2f9c] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T21:14:20 -!- sync [~sync@sync-hv.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-03T21:14:37 -!- sync [~sync@sync-hv.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T21:44:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T22:10:55 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T22:38:03 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T22:44:26 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Quit: Whop whop] 2021-09-03T22:48:05 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn159.95-103-127.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2021-09-03T22:54:18 < kakium69> innovation69 2021-09-03T22:59:13 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-03T23:50:21 * qyx rage time 2021-09-03T23:50:35 < qyx> only a single model of G4 available now, last 22 parts 2021-09-03T23:52:49 < qyx> ok, why the hell is LQFP48 pinout different than QFN48 for the same part 2021-09-03T23:53:00 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-03T23:53:19 < qyx> I nearly errored --- Day changed Sat Sep 04 2021 2021-09-04T00:00:41 < Steffanx> :) 2021-09-04T00:02:00 < qyx> actually it looks like ST decided to break the legacy pinout and come up with something more reasonable 2021-09-04T00:02:17 < qyx> there is no VSS pin on QFN, it finally makes sense 2021-09-04T00:02:31 < qyx> analog power is not in the overcrowded area around xtals 2021-09-04T00:03:29 < qyx> and the port numbering is saner, more groups with monotonically increasing numbers 2021-09-04T00:04:50 < karlp> yeah, g4 promo brochures was a big bulelt poitn of "fuck all those 100nF caps, we're goign to make ti smaller and cheaper for you" 2021-09-04T00:05:21 < karlp> same for g0 as well, and it carris into u5 iirc, 2021-09-04T00:06:56 < qyx> oh so i should check the power part of the datasheet too 2021-09-04T00:09:08 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T01:03:00 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-04T01:03:00 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T01:04:39 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-04T01:50:52 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-04T02:48:35 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-04T03:00:08 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: dima, flatmush, Mangy_Dog, BrainDamage, akaWolf, Steffanx, hackkitten, c4017w, bitmask 2021-09-04T03:00:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dima, akaWolf, flatmush 2021-09-04T03:00:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: BrainDamage 2021-09-04T03:00:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Steffanx 2021-09-04T03:02:06 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T03:02:23 -!- Netsplit over, joins: c4017w 2021-09-04T03:03:58 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-04T03:31:42 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T03:53:56 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-04T03:54:05 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T03:54:52 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-04T04:13:34 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:5509:c25:12c0:2f9c] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-04T04:14:45 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@111.48.76.16] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T04:37:48 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T05:02:07 -!- esden [sid32455@id-32455.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-04T05:02:19 -!- esden [sid32455@id-32455.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T05:06:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@47.180.47.55] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T05:07:23 < upgrdman> macOS pros: while someone is using their mac, is it possible for another person to remote in (vnc or whatever) as a second user, without interfering with the user physically at the mac? 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I go and look it up and it is not even in the top 400 business schools. Is this the type of student that business schools attract? That want to delude themselves? 2021-09-04T19:11:56 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-09-04T19:14:07 < Steffanx> Yes 2021-09-04T19:14:11 < Steffanx> Poor englishman 2021-09-04T19:14:22 < englishman> :/ 2021-09-04T19:15:10 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-04T19:15:24 < englishman> the course is organizational behaviour 2021-09-04T19:15:35 < Steffanx> Sounds boring 2021-09-04T19:15:43 < englishman> quite different from engineering skool yeah 2021-09-04T19:16:20 < qyx> https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/mba-rankings/global/2020 2021-09-04T19:16:26 < qyx> here? 2021-09-04T19:16:42 < englishman> yes that one 2021-09-04T19:17:01 < qyx> none from .sk :D 2021-09-04T19:17:39 < englishman> but I guess there are some that offer MBAs? 2021-09-04T19:18:03 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@111.48.76.16] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T19:18:41 < englishman> also none from Czechia or Hungary etc 2021-09-04T19:18:56 < qyx> yeah there are at least two 2021-09-04T19:19:22 < qyx> uni of economics and a school of management 2021-09-04T19:19:25 < englishman> Not even Austria 2021-09-04T19:19:44 < englishman> maybe English language programs only 2021-09-04T19:20:27 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/dJJLq/Screenshot_2021-09-04_18-20-14.png 2021-09-04T19:20:36 < qyx> uh oh maybe the level of our schools is not enough :P 2021-09-04T19:25:18 < Steffanx> How they even make these lists? 2021-09-04T19:25:46 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T19:25:53 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T19:30:25 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-04T19:31:11 < bitmask> man, i never woulda thought xcode would be buggy 2021-09-04T19:31:28 < bitmask> like stupid bugs 2021-09-04T19:32:14 < bitmask> if i have a few tabs open and im switching between them, i'll click one file and it wont switch to it, the tab graphics show the new one highlighted but it doesnt load it, i have to close the tab and reopen it 2021-09-04T19:34:58 < Steffanx> Try eclipse. 2021-09-04T19:38:45 < bitmask> noooooooo thx 2021-09-04T19:41:02 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-04T19:43:41 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T19:48:01 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-04T19:55:35 < mouseghost> hi gays 2021-09-04T19:55:42 < mouseghost> hows your saturday mrs?? 2021-09-04T20:00:40 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T20:05:32 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-04T20:17:36 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T20:22:40 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-04T20:25:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T20:39:20 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T20:41:17 < Steffanx> Wonderful mouseghost . Just back from short bicycle trip 2021-09-04T20:41:28 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T20:44:07 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-04T20:48:24 < mouseghost> Steffanx, how many kms did you make? 2021-09-04T20:49:07 < Steffanx> Only 15 2021-09-04T20:49:22 < mouseghost> ah cmon, its a good amount! 2021-09-04T20:49:27 < mouseghost> did you see anything nice? 2021-09-04T20:49:51 < Steffanx> Sure. Windmills and sun 2021-09-04T20:50:30 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/a/mcAracQ 2021-09-04T20:50:40 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-04T20:55:10 < mouseghost> i thought like normal windmills, these are fans, since they generate wind, mr Steffanx 2021-09-04T20:56:10 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T20:56:32 < mouseghost> ive got my film developed 2021-09-04T20:56:44 < mouseghost> and i must say, that analog photos are like... more living 2021-09-04T20:56:47 < mouseghost> at least in my opinion 2021-09-04T20:56:51 < mouseghost> more throughout 2021-09-04T21:00:40 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-04T21:09:44 < qyx> Steffanx: where are the moutains 2021-09-04T21:10:08 < Steffanx> None of those here... 2021-09-04T21:12:55 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T21:17:37 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-04T21:26:47 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/b0dBp/Screenshot_2021-09-04_20-26-20.png 2021-09-04T21:26:57 < qyx> a little easter egg for those who dared to open the thing 2021-09-04T21:28:45 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T21:30:40 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-04T21:33:02 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@111.48.76.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-04T21:33:40 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-04T21:42:27 < mouseghost> qyx, whats this? 2021-09-04T21:43:47 < qyx> a sun harvester 2021-09-04T21:44:03 < qyx> (pv charger) 2021-09-04T21:44:23 < englishman> looks like a pleasant ride stefs 2021-09-04T21:47:04 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T21:51:04 < mouseghost> qyx, reminds me of harvesting fuel from the sun in elite dnagerous 2021-09-04T21:52:12 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-04T21:53:31 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T22:05:00 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T22:09:17 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T22:32:37 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-04T22:35:11 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T22:44:34 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-04T22:54:21 < machinehum> _______ 2021-09-04T22:54:24 < machinehum> < Moooo > 2021-09-04T22:54:26 < machinehum> ------- 2021-09-04T22:54:28 < machinehum> \ ^__^ 2021-09-04T22:54:30 < machinehum> \ (oo)\_______ 2021-09-04T22:54:32 < machinehum> (__)\ )\/\ 2021-09-04T22:54:33 < Steffanx> 2021-09-04T22:54:34 < machinehum> ||----w | 2021-09-04T22:54:36 < machinehum> || || 2021-09-04T22:55:45 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-04T22:56:12 < mouseghost> mooo 2021-09-04T23:29:30 < mouseghost> guys 2021-09-04T23:29:34 < mouseghost> is it hard to sell your product? 2021-09-04T23:30:33 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2021-09-04T23:33:27 < Steffanx> I dont sell my product. 2021-09-04T23:38:44 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-04T23:40:04 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@user/coldkeyboard] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-04T23:42:19 < qyx> mosell Steffanx some mountains 2021-09-04T23:42:22 < qyx> oh he left 2021-09-04T23:44:21 < Steffanx> Lol 2021-09-04T23:55:38 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sun Sep 05 2021 2021-09-05T00:04:51 < Steffanx> For cycling flatland is perfect, qyx 2021-09-05T00:04:52 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-05T00:11:20 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T00:25:25 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2021-09-05T01:08:07 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-05T01:25:36 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Quit: Whop whop] 2021-09-05T01:32:28 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T01:42:01 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T01:56:10 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-05T01:56:58 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T02:08:30 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-05T02:10:03 < bitmask> alright, time to fill this 4 gallon water tank 2021-09-05T02:10:09 < bitmask> its gonna take like 3 hours 2021-09-05T02:45:04 < b-rex> to fill 4 gallons? 2021-09-05T02:48:02 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-05T02:48:10 < zyp> slow filter 2021-09-05T02:49:06 < bitmask> reverse osmosis 2021-09-05T02:49:09 < bitmask> small countertop unit 2021-09-05T02:49:11 < zyp> but then again that's still faster than the average rate you're gonna tap from it if you're only drinking :p 2021-09-05T03:05:12 < qyx> how much is 4 gallons in normal units 2021-09-05T03:05:27 < qyx> 15 L? quite much 2021-09-05T03:05:41 < qyx> so 120 L per day membrane 2021-09-05T03:07:00 < qyx> we have a 280 L per day max. membrane 2021-09-05T03:07:12 < qyx> it is super slow 2021-09-05T03:07:24 < qyx> but I am feeding it with ~ 3.2 bar only 2021-09-05T04:00:47 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T04:35:27 < Mangy_Dog> https://imgur.com/gallery/dEyTWM1/ 2021-09-05T04:36:48 < aandrew> Mangy_Dog: definitely got skills for making it look good, good job 2021-09-05T04:36:57 < Mangy_Dog> thankies 2021-09-05T04:37:18 < Mangy_Dog> less than a week of programming left i think till that parts done 2021-09-05T04:37:26 < Mangy_Dog> i think the whole prop should be finished in about 2 weeks 2021-09-05T04:48:52 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-05T04:50:54 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.40] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T05:25:31 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-05T05:28:06 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.171] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T06:45:10 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-05T06:47:20 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@111.48.76.16] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T07:04:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T07:05:07 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-05T08:56:25 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-05T09:30:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-05T09:51:42 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@2a01:cb10:171:3a00:d2e:8faf:a535:2629] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-05T10:28:48 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T10:28:51 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@lfbn-str-1-213-155.w86-243.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T10:51:35 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@lfbn-str-1-213-155.w86-243.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-05T10:57:22 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T12:05:16 < qyx> Steffanx: https://www.schuttevaer.nl/nieuws/actueel/2021/09/03/schipper-blokkeert-slowaakse-sluis-uit-protest-lig-hier-al-8-uur/ 2021-09-05T12:06:54 < Steffanx> Lololol qyx 2021-09-05T12:07:07 < Steffanx> Or more like: trololol 2021-09-05T12:11:20 < qyx> wtf the comments 2021-09-05T12:11:21 < qyx> Good luck and be careful in these kinds of countries, but there is now publicity and that makes a difference. Hope colleagues will help, together you are stronger. 2021-09-05T12:11:39 -!- emeryth [emeryth@boston-packets.hackerspace.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 2021-09-05T12:11:43 < qyx> I fear to ask what does people on .nl think about people a bit in the east 2021-09-05T12:12:10 < qyx> so it is right to "oh, I don't like something, let's break the whole thing then" 2021-09-05T12:12:25 < qyx> like all antivaxers and shit 2021-09-05T12:12:36 -!- emeryth [emeryth@boston-packets.hackerspace.pl] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T12:25:06 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-09-05T12:27:24 < Steffanx> No, the guy claims you slovaks are screwing him over, qyx :P 2021-09-05T12:27:59 < Steffanx> So he goes trololol 2021-09-05T12:28:43 < qyx> yeah I have read that 2021-09-05T12:30:12 < Steffanx> And I wouldnt be surprised if corruption is more common in "the east" 2021-09-05T12:30:51 < Steffanx> Hence the "be careful" 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you join my motorcycle gang Steffanx? 2021-09-05T21:07:29 < kakium69> mc kakisdos 2021-09-05T21:09:56 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-05T21:14:47 < Steffanx> Sure, but I only have a bicycle kakium69 2021-09-05T21:15:03 < kakium69> I will tow you to speed 2021-09-05T21:15:33 < Steffanx> Enjoy today's trip photo: http://imgur.com/a/y8C6kqc 2021-09-05T21:15:48 < kakium69> you have corn? 2021-09-05T21:16:17 < Steffanx> We have corn 2021-09-05T21:18:36 < Steffanx> We as in dutchlanders 2021-09-05T21:20:37 < kakium69> your corn 2021-09-05T21:20:41 < kakium69> very nice 2021-09-05T21:22:43 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T21:23:29 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T21:27:32 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-09-05T21:53:58 < Steffanx> idk.. its just corn right.. kakium69? 2021-09-05T21:54:22 < kakium69> I have never seen corn irl 2021-09-05T21:54:33 < Steffanx> What no corn in finland? 2021-09-05T21:55:08 < kakium69> there is some 2021-09-05T21:55:16 < kakium69> used as sileage 2021-09-05T21:55:32 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@111.48.76.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-05T21:55:40 < kakium69> just driven into cutter with everything 2021-09-05T21:56:01 < qyx> energy much? 2021-09-05T21:56:05 < qyx> or to feed cattle? 2021-09-05T21:56:11 < kakium69> cattle 2021-09-05T21:56:18 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-05T21:56:25 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-05T21:56:44 < kakium69> stem, leafs, corn - all 2021-09-05T21:58:23 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypuaJLHK_LQ what a strange instrument 2021-09-05T21:59:02 < Steffanx> Not actually pleasant to listen to, at least not what that guy plays 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2021-09-06T14:15:57 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-06T14:22:57 < karlp> openocd. 2021-09-06T14:23:20 < karlp> I was trying this probe-rs thing, and it does RTT really nicely and integrated, but they still onyl talk about itm as "yeah, that too!" 2021-09-06T14:23:37 < karlp> and I was having enough problems with it, so went back to somethign I knew should be working. 2021-09-06T14:23:54 < karlp> problem was the rust hal for wb wasn't actually turning on HSE when it tried to switch to it :) 2021-09-06T14:25:12 < karlp> https://github.com/etactica/stm32wb-hal/commit/1f4230757362003172dbacd6bc7acd303469133c 2021-09-06T14:35:09 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T14:39:40 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-06T14:52:46 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T14:54:32 < jpa-> karlp: i meant which hardware 2021-09-06T14:57:12 < karlp> oh, just stlink. this isnt captureing at that speed, this is a probelm I had where ITM worked when sysclock wsa 64mhz, but not at 32mhz. 2021-09-06T14:57:28 < karlp> sorry, re-reading it sounded like I had 32mhz trace output. 2021-09-06T14:57:34 < karlp> that was poorly worded on my behalf. 2021-09-06T14:57:46 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-06T14:58:20 < jpa-> karlp: oh :) 2021-09-06T14:59:17 < karlp> I'd originally been trying to work out why power consumption was so much higher on the rust demos, and thought, "hrm, 64mhz is more, but shouldn't be _that much_ more" and tried 32 to be "same" as my cube demos, and then ITM broke. 2021-09-06T14:59:23 < karlp> went down fucking rabbit holes. 2021-09-06T14:59:58 < karlp> power consumption differences are msotly just debugger enabled shits. Will need tweaking to get the last bits out, but can ignore that for now :) 2021-09-06T15:08:45 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T15:13:38 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-06T15:28:11 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T15:33:14 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-06T15:38:46 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T15:45:56 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T15:50:46 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-06T16:04:21 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T16:06:42 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-06T16:07:48 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T16:09:10 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-06T16:20:50 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T16:25:58 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-06T16:39:14 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T16:41:52 < tct> do SDRAM devices typically have a minimum clock frequency? 2021-09-06T16:43:44 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-06T16:55:29 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T17:00:07 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-06T17:11:50 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T17:16:34 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-06T17:28:14 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T17:33:02 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-06T17:48:56 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T17:50:23 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T17:53:58 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-06T17:55:01 < mawk> Citizens of our beautiful stationary flat Earth keep in mind that Nasholes, fakeX nor all space agencies can't get high enough to show homosapiens a non CGI Blue marble. Also virgin galactic still a virgin. Just rockets to nowhere 🚀 because of our dome firmament, that's right we are one beautiful family under the dome firmament on our beautiful stationary flat Earth 🙏 let's unite and defund all space agencies and make flat Earth great 2021-09-06T17:55:01 < mawk> again 🎶💖 let's end the chemtrails, fracking, GMOs, fluoridation of our waters, DEW direct energy weapons, 5G, and obviously the experimental mutant vaccinations 💉🚀 along with the double covidiots masks 😷💉 https://youtu.be/LtEy7bBTRNM 2021-09-06T18:01:11 < Steffanx> Hi Blaxter 2021-09-06T18:05:28 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T18:09:54 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-09-06T18:14:52 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-06T18:15:33 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T18:21:40 -!- kakium69 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[Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-06T22:14:34 < fenugrec> what's leadtime on stm32F parts... still "52 weeks lol" ? 2021-09-06T22:15:00 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T22:15:00 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-06T22:15:15 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T22:16:38 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-06T23:24:49 < Steffanx> Ofcourse, mr fenugrec 2021-09-06T23:31:38 < qyx> no, 72 2021-09-06T23:31:42 < qyx> for some 2021-09-06T23:32:22 < Steffanx> To me all those numbers sound like: we actually have no clue at all 2021-09-06T23:33:14 < qyx> what are they doing all year long? 2021-09-06T23:33:27 < qyx> they were not able to maintain availability 2021-09-06T23:33:33 < Steffanx> Nose picking. Laughing at us 2021-09-06T23:33:53 < qyx> and spamming with webinars and such 2021-09-06T23:34:01 < qyx> for products we are unable to buy 2021-09-06T23:40:33 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-06T23:41:34 < Steffanx> Welcome mr kakium69. Will you join us in our quest? 2021-09-06T23:42:10 < kakium69> sounds promising 2021-09-06T23:48:47 < fenugrec> Steffanx, thanks. Good thing I still have a few pic16f left 2021-09-06T23:55:23 < qyx> zyp: have you encountered IOLink? 2021-09-06T23:57:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Sep 07 2021 2021-09-07T00:06:34 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T00:07:12 < zyp> nope 2021-09-07T00:18:51 < qyx> sounds reasonable 2021-09-07T00:19:03 < qyx> I don't want to either 2021-09-07T00:21:43 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@45.131.194.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T00:46:28 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T01:00:00 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-07T01:38:37 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-07T01:41:54 < kakium69> china announces cultural revolution 2.0 2021-09-07T01:56:10 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-07T02:14:23 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T02:23:52 < karlp> nothing about iolink sounds good. 2021-09-07T02:30:58 < qyx> 2021-09-07T03:10:10 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-76-212.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T03:11:12 -!- srk_ [~sorki@user/srk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T03:11:36 -!- srk [~sorki@user/srk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-07T03:14:07 -!- srk_ is now known as srk 2021-09-07T03:27:41 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-76-212.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T03:28:02 -!- srk [~sorki@user/srk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-07T03:28:05 -!- srk_ [~sorki@user/srk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T03:31:02 -!- srk_ is now known as srk 2021-09-07T03:42:15 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-20-134.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T04:08:19 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-07T05:00:16 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-07T05:55:53 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-07T06:48:49 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T07:32:10 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-07T07:36:58 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T07:41:18 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Ecco, dobson 2021-09-07T07:41:33 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Ecco 2021-09-07T07:44:17 -!- flyback [~flyback@2601:540:8201:1e60:404a:1b0c:a28:6844] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-07T07:44:27 -!- dobson [~dobson@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T07:44:27 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T07:57:19 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: av500, tct 2021-09-07T07:57:40 -!- Netsplit over, joins: av500 2021-09-07T07:58:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tct 2021-09-07T08:25:59 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T08:44:58 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-07T08:53:23 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T08:56:43 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.8] 2021-09-07T08:57:01 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T08:58:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-07T09:10:58 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T09:30:46 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-07T10:15:07 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T10:15:07 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-07T10:16:46 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-07T11:31:46 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-07T11:45:18 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T11:50:23 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T11:51:15 < jadew> fucking stupid government 2021-09-07T11:51:24 < jadew> you know how aliexpress collects VAT now? 2021-09-07T11:51:39 < jadew> turns out you still can't get away from the extra tax the post has in place 2021-09-07T11:51:47 < jadew> you have to pay VAT AGAIN 2021-09-07T11:51:58 < jadew> and then recover the external one... 2021-09-07T11:52:03 < jadew> like WTF? 2021-09-07T11:53:02 < jadew> but this only applies to Business (implied by the lady who informed me about this) 2021-09-07T11:53:11 < jadew> really fucking annoying 2021-09-07T11:54:14 < emeryth> if you input your VAT ID in aliexpress, they won't charge you 2021-09-07T11:54:34 < emeryth> aliexpress won't that is 2021-09-07T11:54:47 < jadew> so they managed to 1) make it more difficult for businesses to buy the shit they need. 2) make it even easier for end customers to buy directly from china. 3) go a step closer from fucking up local economy. 2021-09-07T11:55:05 < jadew> emeryth, that's still a problem 2021-09-07T11:55:16 < jadew> why is it more difficult for businesses? 2021-09-07T11:55:25 < jadew> and easier for regular people? 2021-09-07T11:55:34 < jadew> that creates exactly the kind of situation you don't want 2021-09-07T11:55:48 < jadew> it makes chinese crap more competitive than local made shit 2021-09-07T11:56:01 < jadew> (like it wasn't already) 2021-09-07T11:56:24 < jadew> LMFAO 2021-09-07T11:56:32 < jadew> they're saying I have to go there to pay the taxes 2021-09-07T11:56:38 < jadew> I'm gonna tell them to send it back 2021-09-07T11:56:40 < qyx> as if your double taxed stuff wasn't an order of magnitude cheaper than local one 2021-09-07T11:56:44 < jadew> jeez... 2021-09-07T11:57:02 < jadew> qyx, chinese junk is chinese junk, it's priced fairly 2021-09-07T11:57:03 < qyx> personally? 2021-09-07T11:57:11 < jadew> double priced chinese junk is expensive chinese junk 2021-09-07T11:57:31 < jadew> qyx, as in, it cannot be done over the internet (just got the email on this) 2021-09-07T11:58:03 < qyx> I am not surprised 2021-09-07T11:58:28 < qyx> it wasn't that long ago our post office wasn't accepting card payments in their offices 2021-09-07T11:58:40 < qyx> they simply didn't have POS terminals 2021-09-07T11:59:20 < jadew> I told them I reject the package 2021-09-07T11:59:21 < Steffanx> Lolwhat? 2021-09-07T11:59:24 < jadew> they can shut it up their ass 2021-09-07T11:59:28 < jadew> *shove 2021-09-07T11:59:35 < jadew> fucking stupid assholes 2021-09-07T12:00:11 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T12:00:23 < Steffanx> Qyx: No POS terminal.. is .sk a 3rd world country? 2021-09-07T12:00:46 < qyx> no, the post office is 2021-09-07T12:01:05 < jadew> yeah, the post offices are garbage over here too 2021-09-07T12:01:19 < jadew> I wish the whole post would get dismantled 2021-09-07T12:01:28 < jadew> and everyone in it fired 2021-09-07T12:01:58 < jadew> man... this pisses me off so bad 2021-09-07T12:02:14 < jadew> I was expecting some other stuff too :/ 2021-09-07T12:02:22 < jadew> which wasn't junk 2021-09-07T12:03:06 < jadew> this wasn't really junk either, but then again, I'm not wasting my time (~1.5h) to pay taxes at the office for a $9 purchase 2021-09-07T12:19:26 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T12:23:45 < karlp> classic jade: wants the post fired and all closed down, also complains about how private shipping companies hate him and make arbitrary changes and claims 2021-09-07T12:24:29 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T12:24:32 < jadew> I like DHL 2021-09-07T12:24:39 < jadew> I only complained about FedEx recently 2021-09-07T12:24:43 < jadew> which are skunks 2021-09-07T12:24:57 < karlp> I'm sure eliminating competition would make them serve you better... 2021-09-07T12:25:13 < jadew> the post is not their competition 2021-09-07T12:25:41 < jadew> the post makes it impossible for other companies to emerge that could take care of this in a more efficient manner 2021-09-07T12:25:46 < jadew> the post is like opensource 2021-09-07T12:26:40 < jadew> full of incompetents, but it's there and displaces the real good stuff 2021-09-07T12:26:44 < jadew> like a fucking weed 2021-09-07T12:27:16 < mawk> the church is making weird music with the ding dong thing today Steffanx 2021-09-07T12:27:18 < mawk> is it a special day 2021-09-07T12:27:52 < karlp> they're cheering for the new serbian orthodox bishop? 2021-09-07T12:28:24 < mawk> they're all protestant here 2021-09-07T12:28:32 < mawk> they killed all catholics, or sent them to belgium 2021-09-07T12:30:33 < mawk> they're doing the whole gamme now 2021-09-07T12:30:39 < mawk> all notes in descending order 2021-09-07T12:30:43 < mawk> maybe they're testing the bell 2021-09-07T12:31:49 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T12:42:35 < Steffanx> Lol idk mawk. 2021-09-07T12:44:57 < jadew> many churches here have speakers now 2021-09-07T12:45:13 < jadew> they play the bell 2021-09-07T12:46:01 < jadew> I prefer the real deal, reminds me how early in history we are 2021-09-07T12:46:57 < jadew> and now that I think about this I feel like watching some adventure movie about exploring and backward cultures 2021-09-07T12:50:15 < mawk> it's a real bell here 2021-09-07T12:51:21 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T12:56:15 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-07T13:15:50 < karlp> man, usb-c will never be confusing will it, "and the evaluation kit includes two USB-C ports. One USB-C port is Dual Role Power, meaning that it can switch from sink to source on the fly. The other supports Dual Role Data, meaning that it can either act as host or device." 2021-09-07T13:21:45 < Mangy_Dog> hi guys i need a little help with the openOCD GDB debugging stuff in eclipse that i had help with before D: After we got it working again I was able to see the global and current vars in the variables table. But now theyre gone.... And I cant seem to find anyway to keep track of a var without having to hover over it in my code. 2021-09-07T13:22:02 < Mangy_Dog> Anyone know what i need to do to highlight and keep track of a global var? 2021-09-07T13:22:18 < Mangy_Dog> ideally id like to see it in the table, and updating as it changes while running 2021-09-07T13:25:36 < Mangy_Dog> oh in expressions 2021-09-07T13:25:45 < Mangy_Dog> it wasnt working last night when i tried it but it is now 2021-09-07T13:25:46 < Mangy_Dog> strange 2021-09-07T13:26:08 < Mangy_Dog> oh it only works when paused 2021-09-07T13:27:28 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T13:32:08 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T13:43:45 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T13:48:05 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T13:55:11 < jadew> https://media.tenor.co/videos/01681e4ede7338f6f3a05a1590890700/mp4 2021-09-07T14:33:55 < jadew> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/804210713982926894/884751629042216970/image0.jpg 2021-09-07T14:36:42 < mawk> why don't they all support everything at once karlp 2021-09-07T14:36:42 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T14:36:45 < mawk> that would be easier 2021-09-07T14:41:37 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-07T14:43:44 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-07T14:51:20 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-07T15:07:24 < karlp> why don't what what? 2021-09-07T15:07:36 < karlp> oh, on that board? ask st 2021-09-07T15:10:50 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T15:10:56 < tct> I´m looking for shielded FPC extension cables - any ideas where to get these? need like 20cm for a DSI interface (camera) 2021-09-07T15:15:50 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-07T15:21:35 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T15:27:34 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T15:32:04 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T15:52:14 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T15:52:19 < drzacek> Hello there 2021-09-07T15:54:03 < drzacek> I'm having problems with receiving data over UART. I got two MCUs, one is transmitting 2 bytes of data, the other one is supposed to read it. The HAL_UART_Receive() was returning HAL_TIMEOUT all the time, until I put HAL_UART_Init() before that (I re-init uart before each receive...) 2021-09-07T15:55:06 < drzacek> I'm not sure how this all works, but I think that uart_init() is setting some bits properly so the communication can work, and it needs to do that after each read. Maybe because I am not reading one byte, but that doesn't make much sense to me either 2021-09-07T15:58:51 < drzacek> I am sending those two bytes every milisecond, and I am using freertos. The way I have it now, a separate task that just calls hal_uart_receive() and puts the data into mailbox, it kinda works, but apparently 10 in 100 transmissions is garbage. 2021-09-07T15:59:10 < drzacek> any hint on what I might be doing wrong? And yes, I know that polling is not the right approach here 2021-09-07T15:59:48 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T16:04:50 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-07T16:05:01 < karlp> yeah, that sounds like the problem tright there. 2021-09-07T16:05:40 < karlp> rxne interrupt and stuff into a freertos queue or whatever would work. 2021-09-07T16:05:45 < karlp> no need to re-init stuff. 2021-09-07T16:16:26 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T16:18:10 < drzacek> so I should drop the separate task completely, and just do the read in interrupt callback function? 2021-09-07T16:18:29 < drzacek> rxne is the not empty, right? 2021-09-07T16:21:01 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T16:22:59 < qyx> you can check https://github.com/iqyx/plumcore/blob/feature/fs-access/services/stm32-uart/stm32-uart.c#L311 2021-09-07T16:23:28 < qyx> it is using libopencm3 to access the hardware, but that can be easily modified 2021-09-07T16:23:36 < qyx> it uses interrupts and freertos stream buffers 2021-09-07T16:23:49 < qyx> and provides an abstract Uart and Stream interface on top 2021-09-07T16:24:28 < drzacek> neat 2021-09-07T16:25:00 < qyx> there is a stream_write, stream_read and the same with timeouts 2021-09-07T16:26:16 < karlp> ahhh. C. a breath of fresh air. 2021-09-07T16:26:46 < karlp> I like your definition of "handling it properly" for ORE ;) 2021-09-07T16:26:54 < qyx> lol 2021-09-07T16:27:17 < zyp> clearing it is the only proper thing to do if you don't want to deadlock :) 2021-09-07T16:27:34 < drzacek> ore? 2021-09-07T16:27:40 < karlp> sure, I get that, it's still very much a "nope, didn't happen!" solution :) 2021-09-07T16:27:45 < zyp> overrun interrupt 2021-09-07T16:28:08 < drzacek> need some lookup table for all those 3-lettered abbreviations 2021-09-07T16:28:14 < karlp> I'd want to at least count it or ITM dump it to find out if it's coming up a lot. 2021-09-07T16:28:28 * karlp suspects he simply doesn't even catch it personally... 2021-09-07T16:29:26 < zyp> same 2021-09-07T16:29:32 < qyx> me? 2021-09-07T16:29:43 < zyp> gonna get burned the first time it happens and deadlocks :) 2021-09-07T16:29:50 < qyx> oh drzacek 2021-09-07T16:29:56 < zyp> no, me 2021-09-07T16:30:21 < qyx> fuk, he? 2021-09-07T16:31:30 * drzacek hides 2021-09-07T16:35:01 < fenugrec> assert(!ORE) 2021-09-07T16:36:06 < karlp> zyp: meh, watchdog will take care of it ;) 2021-09-07T16:36:25 < zyp> I don't have that enabled either :') 2021-09-07T16:36:42 < karlp> fenugrec: now compile with NDBUG or whatever for production and watch it hang again? 2021-09-07T16:37:30 < fenugrec> karlp, ok, assert(!NDBUG) in every file 2021-09-07T16:37:40 < fenugrec> wait 2021-09-07T16:39:09 * karlp grins 2021-09-07T16:40:03 < fenugrec> I tend to use my own err_assert() wrapper for that reason 2021-09-07T16:41:28 < karlp> yeah, std assert has surprises. 2021-09-07T16:42:09 < karlp> reallllly not convinced this is "better" than C. https://github.com/karlp/red-analol/blob/main/examples/button-rtic.rs 2021-09-07T16:43:46 < jpa-> you can use spaces and forgo intentional code obfuscation, yet achieve LaurenceB-grade IP security 2021-09-07T16:45:58 < karlp> yeah, that's kinda how I've been feeling with this. 2021-09-07T16:46:05 < zyp> haha 2021-09-07T16:46:23 < karlp> it may have taught me enough abotu the HCI layer and IPCC/mailbox shits to know how to do that with less cube though. 2021-09-07T16:46:50 < zyp> needing both > and into_push_pull_output() seems pointlessly redundant 2021-09-07T16:46:55 < karlp> oh tell me about it 2021-09-07T16:47:06 < karlp> fucking gross as shit the amount of things that hvae to be retold 2021-09-07T16:47:21 < karlp> and these per pin specific types 2021-09-07T16:48:37 < karlp> one of the rust embedded people says that rust on stm32 has reached a local maxima, and it's going to be hard to move past this current shit because too many people are involved 2021-09-07T16:48:49 < srk> :)) 2021-09-07T16:49:08 < karlp> it's ok, I know I can always fall back on doing it all by myself using my commercial ada compiler 2021-09-07T16:49:24 < zyp> I could see having input and output as different types since you could leave the inputs readonly and so on 2021-09-07T16:49:42 < zyp> but other than that it just seems dumb 2021-09-07T16:50:17 < karlp> yeah, and this "rtic" project which is "the way" is.... very loosely documented, and obviously mostly academic targetting qemu and proving deadlock free, rather than what's actually useful 2021-09-07T16:50:21 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T16:50:36 < zyp> hah 2021-09-07T16:50:57 < srk> former rtfm? 2021-09-07T16:51:21 < zyp> no, I think I'll stick to laks a bit longer 2021-09-07T16:53:39 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T16:53:41 < bitmask> I have the worst road rage 2021-09-07T16:55:07 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T16:55:13 < aandrew> bitmask: who'd you kill today? 2021-09-07T16:55:43 < bitmask> everyone doing under the speed limit and not doing at least 5 over in the fast lane 2021-09-07T16:55:48 < bitmask> so... everyone 2021-09-07T16:55:53 < bitmask> they're all dead 2021-09-07T16:56:45 < aandrew> ah, so this was you this morning: https://twitter.com/Hock680NEWS/status/1435198495720460291?s=20 2021-09-07T16:56:49 < qyx> better wait for mawk to return to paris 2021-09-07T16:57:14 < bitmask> oh shit, pictures up already? 2021-09-07T16:57:22 < bitmask> that was a fun one 2021-09-07T16:57:31 < mawk> what did I do 2021-09-07T16:57:37 < aandrew> can you imagine the smell of a million burning eggs? 2021-09-07T16:57:54 < qyx> ham and eggs? 2021-09-07T16:58:10 < bitmask> yea throw some hoomans on the fire to get some meat smell goin too 2021-09-07T16:58:12 < qyx> mawk: going 30 km/h in paris 2021-09-07T16:58:18 < aandrew> just eggs, the truck carrying a load of hogs was not involved 2021-09-07T16:58:37 < mawk> yes qyx the mayor is doing textbook unpopular measures but she still gets re-elected nobody understands why 2021-09-07T16:58:56 < mawk> she's the dominating momma of parisians that's why maybe 2021-09-07T16:59:04 < bitmask> i gotta stop slackin and get this vulkan set up finished, splitting everything into classes is a bitch because they all rely on each other 2021-09-07T16:59:13 < mawk> OOP is a trap bitmask 2021-09-07T16:59:14 < mawk> go back to C 2021-09-07T16:59:17 < mawk> don't do classes 2021-09-07T16:59:50 < bitmask> psh 2021-09-07T17:36:49 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T17:39:55 < mawk> I see a lot of unsafe directives in this code karlp 2021-09-07T17:39:58 < mawk> doesn't same that safe to me 2021-09-07T17:44:44 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T17:49:41 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T17:50:07 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-07T17:55:59 < qyx> shouldn't be rust inherently safe? 2021-09-07T18:01:33 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T18:06:04 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-07T18:15:07 < mawk> qyx: there's literally written "unsafe" in the code 2021-09-07T18:15:18 < mawk> which means it's not safe and will explode as soon as it runs 2021-09-07T18:23:03 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-07T18:29:21 < karlp> the unsafe on the ITM shits is just hatred, 2021-09-07T18:30:16 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T18:34:25 < mawk> ::steal() 2021-09-07T18:59:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-07T19:43:35 < karlp> fucking, just found a charging only usb cable on my desk 2021-09-07T19:43:41 < karlp> what a fucking disaster that shit is. 2021-09-07T20:01:11 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-07T20:01:30 < aandrew> karlp: I dispatch those fucking things with a pair of scissors 2021-09-07T20:02:28 < karlp> I did too. 2021-09-07T20:02:31 < karlp> was furious 2021-09-07T20:02:34 < karlp> no idea where it even came from 2021-09-07T20:02:45 < karlp> had been tryin got bisect this bootloader 2021-09-07T20:02:47 < karlp> made no fucking sense. 2021-09-07T20:10:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T20:14:09 < englishman> just leave it on a colleague's desk, one you hate 2021-09-07T20:18:30 < aandrew> oh man you're fucking evil 2021-09-07T20:23:22 < englishman> octopart down for anyone? 2021-09-07T20:24:40 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T20:24:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T20:25:56 < qyx> worksforme 2021-09-07T20:26:05 < qyx> bot still no G4 :( 2021-09-07T20:29:06 < qyx> whoa G431 415 Expected 10/5/2021 2021-09-07T20:29:15 < qyx> thats only a month 2021-09-07T20:29:48 < qyx> 1.030 Expected 9/9/2021 2021-09-07T20:29:49 < qyx> insane 2021-09-07T20:30:06 < qyx> is the world okay again 2021-09-07T20:31:55 < qyx> G474/484/483 are going to be available soon probably and G431 in a month or so 2021-09-07T20:37:07 < Steffanx> Lies 2021-09-07T20:39:29 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-07T20:40:02 < englishman> 415 pieces or 415 reels 2021-09-07T20:45:12 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T20:49:08 < qyx> pieces 2021-09-07T20:53:29 < aandrew> 10/5 isn't that bad 2021-09-07T21:16:12 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T21:19:24 < bitmask> it took like 4 days but i finally split up this vulkan init shit into classes, it shoudlnt have taken that long 2021-09-07T21:19:29 < bitmask> but anyway, time to debug 2021-09-07T21:25:26 < Steffanx> Im proud of you bitmask? 2021-09-07T21:25:29 < Steffanx> -? 2021-09-07T21:25:31 < bitmask> hah 2021-09-07T21:25:32 < Steffanx> +! 2021-09-07T21:47:56 < bitmask> wow, build succeeded, just gotta modify the drawFrame function and i might be back to where I was 4 days ago :P 2021-09-07T21:48:01 < bitmask> with a colorful triangle 2021-09-07T21:55:52 < Steffanx> Its still not rotting? 2021-09-07T21:55:57 < Steffanx> Lol. Rotating 2021-09-07T21:57:41 < bitmask> havent started yet 2021-09-07T22:05:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-07T22:08:11 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T22:12:17 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T22:12:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T22:14:30 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@193.19.109.22] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T22:14:46 < machinehum> I spent days trying to get the nordic thingy91 to connect to a cell network 2021-09-07T22:14:52 < machinehum> Talked to nordic 2021-09-07T22:14:55 < machinehum> The sim was just fucked 2021-09-07T22:15:42 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-07T22:15:42 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T22:16:15 < qyx> been there with NB-IoT, the network was the cause 2021-09-07T22:16:39 < qyx> after half a year after some infrastructure changes, it works without change 2021-09-07T22:17:21 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-07T22:19:17 < machinehum> There is 2021-09-07T22:19:26 < machinehum> is no NB-IOT coverage where I am 2021-09-07T22:19:29 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T22:19:42 < machinehum> All CATM1 or whatever 2021-09-07T22:19:56 < machinehum> Apparently ibasis is sending me a new sim 2021-09-07T22:20:02 < machinehum> See how long that takes 2021-09-07T22:21:01 < kakium69> 5g? 2021-09-07T22:21:29 < qyx> I would like to have cat M1 but only NB1 here 2021-09-07T22:21:47 < qyx> NB1 is stupidly constrained 2021-09-07T22:22:20 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@87.196.80.57] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T22:23:24 < kakium69> why not just gprs? 2021-09-07T22:23:46 < qyx> are you from the past 2021-09-07T22:24:01 < kakium69> indeed 2021-09-07T22:24:02 < zyp> you still got 2G networks there? 2021-09-07T22:24:06 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-07T22:24:18 < kakium69> 2G 3G 4G 5G 2021-09-07T22:24:39 < kakium69> isn't gprs like 1G? 2021-09-07T22:24:45 < kakium69> edge 2G 2021-09-07T22:24:52 < kakium69> idk 2021-09-07T22:24:54 < qyx> edge is considered 2.5G 2021-09-07T22:24:56 < zyp> no, GSM was 2G 2021-09-07T22:25:07 < Steffanx> Here they are stopping 3g first. Then 2g somewhere in 2025 2021-09-07T22:25:16 < qyx> same here probably 2021-09-07T22:25:50 < zyp> I think they already killed 3G here, and are in the progress of killing 2G 2021-09-07T22:25:50 < qyx> stopping 2G is problematic because of all those industrial boxes 2021-09-07T22:26:04 < kakium69> indeed 2021-09-07T22:26:14 < kakium69> 3g - kill it 2021-09-07T22:26:15 < zyp> that's why they're doing it gradually 2021-09-07T22:26:22 < kakium69> 2g - nah don't touch that 2021-09-07T22:26:49 < qyx> let's imagine you have a DAQ on top of a mountain you didn't touch for ages 2021-09-07T22:26:51 < qyx> and then one day.. 2021-09-07T22:31:47 < kakium69> apparently they keep 2g longer in europes 2021-09-07T22:31:54 < kakium69> and 3g longer in americas 2021-09-07T22:34:18 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-07T22:34:26 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-07T22:35:46 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@87.196.80.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-07T23:08:56 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-07T23:26:08 < bitmask> look how cute these steppers are : https://i.imgur.com/MQty1Jl.jpg 2021-09-07T23:26:10 < bitmask> nema8 to nema17 2021-09-07T23:28:35 < kakium69> flat ones cool 2021-09-07T23:28:38 < kakium69> long one cool 2021-09-07T23:29:34 < bitmask> yea the flat/round ones are really useful if they are strong enough, thats why i got 2 of em 2021-09-07T23:31:38 < bitmask> i need to buy some cheap drivers, i bought 4 or 5 tmc2130 silentstepsticks 2021-09-07T23:31:44 < bitmask> but those are $9 each 2021-09-07T23:45:57 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] --- Day changed Wed Sep 08 2021 2021-09-08T00:07:37 -!- qyx [~qyx@gw2.krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-08T00:07:49 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-101-83.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T00:08:44 < kakium69> why driving steppers is so expensives? 2021-09-08T00:09:54 < bitmask> OMG 2021-09-08T00:09:59 < bitmask> Steffanx i have triangle 2021-09-08T00:10:00 < bitmask> :P 2021-09-08T00:10:23 < bitmask> time to rotate the bitch 2021-09-08T00:10:31 < bitmask> (maybe) 2021-09-08T00:10:37 < bitmask> kakium69 yea why is it expensive 2021-09-08T00:10:55 < sauce> i spun up my printer with a4982 drivers for the first time in awhile and god damn those things are loud 2021-09-08T00:11:26 < bitmask> right? its crazy 2021-09-08T00:11:48 < bitmask> im about to order like 10 more tmc2130s and just pretend i had em all along 2021-09-08T00:12:01 < bitmask> not really... im going to look for cheaper ones 2021-09-08T00:12:10 < bitmask> they cant all be $9 2021-09-08T00:15:56 < zyp> some of them are $10 2021-09-08T00:18:37 < bitmask> yea im sure the tmc5xxx or whatever high current ones are higher, but the 2130 are the best lower power ones for me, they are the SPI version 2021-09-08T00:31:00 -!- qyx [~qyx@gw2.krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T00:51:20 < bitmask> oh yea, ordered the gf's bday present a month in advance, no chance of forgetting :P 2021-09-08T00:51:26 < karlp> englishman: sorry, don't work at a place where I hate my colleagues, quit those jobs in the past :) 2021-09-08T00:52:19 < karlp> i had a phsycial form fit issue today, went looking for parts, found them, and they're cheap, and they're in in stock! 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ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-08T09:14:21 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T09:15:14 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@user/coldkeyboard] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T09:18:43 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@user/coldkeyboard] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-08T09:19:18 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@user/coldkeyboard] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T09:28:01 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone managed to get UART to work on one of those CP2615 chips? I'm looking for drivers everywhere but can't find a thing 2021-09-08T10:12:11 < steve__> ColdKeyboard looks like a cool part but the description saying "plug and play interface solution" and "royalty-free drivers" and you can't finding anything is hilarious 2021-09-08T10:13:41 < steve__> "Simplicity Studio"... more like convoluted mess 2021-09-08T10:15:08 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-08T10:17:12 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T10:27:54 < mawk> "not recommended for new designs" ColdKeyboard 2021-09-08T10:28:46 < mawk> https://www.silabs.com/documents/public/software/USBXpressHostSDK-Win.zip 2021-09-08T10:28:50 < mawk> https://www.silabs.com/documents/public/software/USBXpressHostSDK-Linux.tar 2021-09-08T10:28:52 < mawk> this thing ColdKeyboard ? 2021-09-08T10:29:55 < mawk> I don't see any UART in the datasheet though 2021-09-08T10:30:47 < mawk> ah yes sorry it's a single paragraph 2021-09-08T10:31:26 < mawk> >The format and content of this communication stream is determined by the application and the CP2615 2021-09-08T10:31:26 < mawk> does not examine or interpret the data. 2021-09-08T10:31:41 < mawk> so, you do your own application using the sdk thing and it will output using UART ColdKeyboard 2021-09-08T10:31:43 < mawk> that's it 2021-09-08T10:38:10 < steve__> easy as 123 2021-09-08T10:59:33 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-08T11:00:35 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T11:20:04 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T12:12:47 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-08T12:21:30 < karlp> heh, "To ensure audio quality is not compromised, serial pass-through only supports low throughput communication" 2021-09-08T12:21:39 < karlp> you only get 9600@8n1 if you have audio enabled :) 2021-09-08T12:22:06 < karlp> and rts required if you are over 19200. 2021-09-08T12:22:17 < karlp> was thinking earlier it was an intersting part, but not so much 2021-09-08T12:23:08 < karlp> nrnd, no replacement. nice. 2021-09-08T12:23:33 < karlp> having all those hid buttons, and adc and the uart as well sounded like quite a combo 2021-09-08T12:27:38 < karlp> super integrated for external i2c controlled i2s codecs. 2021-09-08T12:37:49 < karlp> "newer" ones are even more integrated, but less docs: https://www.microchip.com/en-us/product/USB24915C 2021-09-08T12:38:43 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-08T12:40:42 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T12:46:06 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Excess Flood] 2021-09-08T12:46:33 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T12:50:10 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-133-129-158.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T12:51:22 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-08T12:52:05 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T12:53:35 < englishman> neato 2021-09-08T12:54:05 < englishman> probably designed especially for tesla 2021-09-08T12:56:05 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-133-129-158.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-08T12:56:15 < karlp> usb4715 too. 2021-09-08T12:56:35 < karlp> looks like lots of versions of similar shit, all targetteing car head unit shit by the look 2021-09-08T12:57:06 < karlp> enough distractions, time for coffee 2021-09-08T13:12:40 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@88.157.114.19] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T13:20:52 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@88.157.114.19] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2021-09-08T13:40:56 < steve__> RTS required over 19200? I'm relatively young but how tf is that even possible? over 9600 interferes with audio? I don't even... I'd enjoy an explanation 2021-09-08T13:43:26 < steve__> it sounds like "this product sucks and only works with these conditions". But I think, how could you even possibly design something that cannot perform outside that? 2021-09-08T13:45:49 < jpa-> by handling the audio samples in software on an underpowered 8051 2021-09-08T13:52:39 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-08T13:55:46 < steve__> lol that's a good explanation jpa-, how the hell. is it like zero cost or something? 2021-09-08T14:05:30 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-08T14:07:07 < jpa-> steve__: certainly for silabs, considering they've probably licensed the core that they use on so many of their chips 2021-09-08T14:07:54 < jpa-> but, honestly, 9600 bps is plenty for setting the volume on a mixer or similar stuff that the serial port there is probably meant for 2021-09-08T14:11:46 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T14:18:03 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T14:19:20 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@193.19.109.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-08T14:20:07 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@193.19.109.22] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T15:07:13 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T15:10:10 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-08T15:39:47 < c10ud> got any STM32F767IIT6 pros? 2021-09-08T15:54:53 < Steffanx> Got some money? 2021-09-08T15:55:10 < jpa-> like a real pro 2021-09-08T16:05:51 < zyp> c10ud, https://i.imgur.com/Kf4wYDY.jpg 2021-09-08T16:19:11 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T16:20:24 < c10ud> lol 2021-09-08T16:20:56 < c10ud> zyp, could be an idea 2021-09-08T16:21:38 < c10ud> Steffanx, sure, I think we need 10pcs 2021-09-08T16:30:42 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-08T16:46:47 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T16:50:35 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@193.19.109.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-08T16:51:45 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@193.19.109.22] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T17:07:26 -!- xnand [~ircbridge@dynamic-194-228-20-134.ipv4.broadband.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-08T17:09:17 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-08T17:09:26 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-08T17:16:06 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T17:55:58 < mawk> because of lead time = 375 years our latest board couldn't be properly prototyped before doing the test run 2021-09-08T17:56:12 < mawk> so the test run boards just received are obviously not working now 2021-09-08T17:56:32 < mawk> there's 1 week left or something before it gets shipped out 2021-09-08T17:58:01 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@user/cluelessperson] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 2021-09-08T17:58:27 -!- cluelessperson [~cluelessp@user/cluelessperson] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T18:20:04 < c10ud> nice 2021-09-08T18:23:55 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@193.19.109.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-08T18:24:34 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@193.19.109.22] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T18:27:56 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T18:32:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T18:40:29 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-08T18:45:14 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T19:09:07 < mawk> I tried using a thermal camera to find a short 2021-09-08T19:09:10 < mawk> it gives pretty images 2021-09-08T19:09:43 < mawk> https://serveur.io/IR000397.JPG 2021-09-08T19:19:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-08T19:41:14 < bitmask> when are thermal cameras gonna come down in price, they are neat but i dont need one at those prices 2021-09-08T19:46:35 < karlp> yeah, I bought one as a birthday present, but it's really too much money for how much I'm playing with it 2021-09-08T19:47:49 < bitmask> https://gpuopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Vulkan-API.png 2021-09-08T19:47:58 < Steffanx> Just buy one and forget about how much you paid, bitmask 2021-09-08T19:47:59 < bitmask> man i wish i found that graphic last week 2021-09-08T19:48:15 < bitmask> Steffanx i do that too frequently, even i cant justify a thermal cam 2021-09-08T19:48:47 < Steffanx> Just tell you gf it can show how hot she is. 2021-09-08T19:48:52 < bitmask> haha 2021-09-08T19:51:54 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-244-111.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T19:55:45 < jpa-> bitmask: wasn't there that $50 thermal cam :) 2021-09-08T19:56:02 < bitmask> probably not even worth it 2021-09-08T19:56:09 < jpa-> https://www.ebay.com/itm/274762835818 2021-09-08T19:56:12 < bitmask> what is it, 4x4 pixels? 2021-09-08T19:56:22 < jpa-> 8x8 2021-09-08T19:56:31 < bitmask> yea not worth it 2021-09-08T19:56:38 < jpa-> depends on what you do 2021-09-08T19:56:54 < bitmask> true but a cheap IR thermometer is probably just as useful 2021-09-08T19:57:13 < jpa-> doubtful 2021-09-08T19:57:19 < bitmask> i guess you can still find general hot spots 2021-09-08T19:57:21 < englishman> 8x8 neato 2021-09-08T19:57:41 < jpa-> https://www.ebay.com/itm/363374633856 there are also the 32x24 pixel ones 2021-09-08T19:57:42 < bitmask> but id rather wait for a higher quality than spend $50 now and more later 2021-09-08T19:57:59 < jpa-> sure, if you don't really have any need except "it is neat" 2021-09-08T19:58:43 < mawk> 8×8 pixels 2021-09-08T19:58:54 < mawk> just using your finger-integrated temperature sensor is more precise 2021-09-08T19:59:58 < jpa-> for what purpose? 2021-09-08T20:00:17 < jpa-> really, it depends a lot on what you would use a thermal imager for in the first place 2021-09-08T20:00:46 < mawk> finding short circuits 2021-09-08T20:00:46 < jpa-> 8x8 pixels is already pretty good for cases like "is there a heat leak in my wall" or "is a breaker overheating in my fuse box" 2021-09-08T20:02:34 < jpa-> my ex-workplace had a nice FLIR thermal camera.. but using it to find short circuits on PCBs wasn't that great, because a lot of places heat up 2021-09-08T20:02:49 < jpa-> using a microvolt meter and just walking between points is much more effective 2021-09-08T20:05:17 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-08T20:14:54 < kakium69> just use ice spray 2021-09-08T20:15:29 < kakium69> or butane etc. upside down 2021-09-08T20:15:59 < kakium69> I have one of those spray air bottles 2021-09-08T20:16:16 < kakium69> dust remove thing when you cannot use air compressor 2021-09-08T20:16:33 < kakium69> contains like butaine or propaine 2021-09-08T20:34:24 < mawk> so it nicely catches fire 2021-09-08T20:34:39 < mawk> jpa- then increase voltage until the short really stands out 2021-09-08T20:34:42 < mawk> that's what I did 2021-09-08T20:34:58 < mawk> I cranked it up until around 5A it started glowing on the thermal camera 2021-09-08T20:37:55 < jpa-> wouldn't that easily cause damage to other components also 2021-09-08T20:52:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T20:56:46 < mawk> I didn't design this board so I have no maternal instinct for it jpa- 2021-09-08T20:56:50 < mawk> I can break it without regret 2021-09-08T20:58:36 < mawk> also I didn't increase voltage above the max, so other components outside the path of short circuit should be untouched 2021-09-08T21:08:01 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T21:13:24 < zyp> the proper thermal cams are crazy sensitive 2021-09-08T21:14:22 < zyp> picks up handprints and shit just from touching a surface: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/C4BVA.png 2021-09-08T21:14:46 < mouseghost> inb4 sex joke 2021-09-08T21:14:49 < zyp> first noticed that effect when I had it pointed at the floor and kid walked past leaving footprints 2021-09-08T21:29:59 < englishman> same but with kitty pawprints 2021-09-08T21:30:09 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T21:40:04 < Steffanx> mouseghost: Special almost daily bicycle trip photos for you: http://imgur.com/a/yXGuXMj 2021-09-08T21:40:37 < mouseghost> Steffanx, nice. you live close to these fans? arent they upsetting? 2021-09-08T21:40:52 < Steffanx> Not so close. Few km 2021-09-08T21:41:19 < Steffanx> I cant see them nor hear them, so fine to me 2021-09-08T21:42:15 < Steffanx> Ok I can see them, but barely. 2021-09-08T21:51:26 < englishman> steffy has lots of fans 2021-09-08T21:52:42 < Steffanx> Yeah there was A LOT of protest, but.. nothing changed 2021-09-08T21:53:31 < Steffanx> Now people complain about low freq. noise, and according to some measurements its really there 2021-09-08T21:53:47 < Steffanx> So its not done yet. They might have to stop them and fix it 2021-09-08T21:54:39 < Steffanx> Audible noise that is. 2021-09-08T21:57:22 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-08T21:57:45 < mouseghost> id become crazy if i had some hum going again and again 2021-09-08T21:58:58 < Steffanx> Me too 2021-09-08T22:06:22 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-244-111.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-08T22:11:37 < bitmask> Scope of application: 2021-09-08T22:11:37 < bitmask> Express cabinets, cabinets, newspaper boxes, lockers, storage shelves, cabinets, cabinets, drawers, meter boxes, cabinets, cabinets and other intensive products, widely used in factories, mines, schools, banks, troops, prisons, courts, hotels , farm, bath center. 2021-09-08T22:11:53 < bitmask> its a <1W solenoid lock 2021-09-08T22:15:30 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-08T22:16:42 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T22:27:48 < Steffanx> Aliexpress? 2021-09-08T22:34:16 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-244-111.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T22:36:20 < englishman> i'm a fan 2021-09-08T22:36:22 < englishman> of steffy 2021-09-08T22:38:00 < Steffanx> Ohno 2021-09-08T22:41:04 < bitmask> of course ali 2021-09-08T22:45:36 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-08T22:46:06 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T23:04:37 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-08T23:05:27 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T23:38:43 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-244-111.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-08T23:50:32 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@193.19.109.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-08T23:52:16 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937e:d600::f6ac] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-08T23:57:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Day changed Thu Sep 09 2021 2021-09-09T00:03:13 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-09T00:17:36 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-09T00:23:15 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T00:26:13 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T00:30:39 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-09T01:40:54 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T02:03:51 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T02:32:55 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-09T02:34:48 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T03:36:15 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-09T03:41:04 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T03:58:52 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-09T04:23:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T04:52:38 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 2021-09-09T05:50:31 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-09T05:55:37 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T06:19:42 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-09T06:20:11 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T07:02:37 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T07:40:21 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-09T08:21:07 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T09:06:55 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-09T10:15:02 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-09T10:15:11 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T10:16:56 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-09T11:27:05 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T11:53:55 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T11:55:54 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T11:58:06 < mouseghost> yawn hello misters 2021-09-09T11:58:09 < mouseghost> hows you mr Steffanx? 2021-09-09T12:09:07 -!- ehsanecc [~Ehsan@195.181.8.76] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T12:09:51 < ehsanecc> Hi, I've designed a device for a customer 5 years ago with stm32 uc that reads images from microSD card and show them on LCD, and do this loop every 15s. And as i remember, i used maximum possible clock for microSD (SPI connection) to get faster image loading. No writing anything on microSD card and JUST READING! BUT yesterday he called me that he get a lot of microSD damages even after just two weeks of this device power on!! And about 2021-09-09T12:09:51 < ehsanecc> 300 microSD cards currently damaged from various manufactures and models!! I want to ask if anyone have the same problem? and if you know how to fix this problem or diagnose it, please tell me. Thanks in advance 2021-09-09T12:11:38 -!- ehsanecc [~Ehsan@195.181.8.76] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-09-09T12:12:10 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@195.181.8.76] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T12:14:51 < mouseghost> ehsanecc, clearly you must have fucked up something or idk 2021-09-09T12:16:19 < ehsanecc> mouseghost: i know, but what it could be? is fast clocking microSD card could the problem? 2021-09-09T12:16:29 < mouseghost> ehsanecc, you sure that you have the correct voltage? also, arent SDs sensitive to ESD by any chance? 2021-09-09T12:16:39 < mouseghost> i doubt. why would it be? 2021-09-09T12:16:44 < mouseghost> unless it overheats or something 2021-09-09T12:17:08 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-09T12:19:37 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T12:20:15 < ehsanecc> mouseghost: I need to check for voltages. About ESD thing, i think they are but it's somewhat strange that a product is destroying microSD's after every two weeks! :| 2021-09-09T12:20:48 < ehsanecc> mouseghost: PLUS, before any real data damage, loading of data is getting slow 2021-09-09T12:20:57 < mouseghost> weiiiird 2021-09-09T12:21:01 < mouseghost> did you implement it yourself? 2021-09-09T12:21:45 < ehsanecc> schematic and software 2021-09-09T12:22:02 < ehsanecc> PCB was designed by my friend, and he is really good at it i'm sure 2021-09-09T12:22:31 < mouseghost> yea but like, in software, did you use some kind of library or idk? 2021-09-09T12:22:58 < ehsanecc> yes, i used STM32CubeMX if i remember the name correctly 2021-09-09T12:23:08 < ehsanecc> you think it's about software? 2021-09-09T12:23:10 -!- emeryth [emeryth@boston-packets.hackerspace.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-09T12:23:15 < mouseghost> oh idk anything 2021-09-09T12:23:29 < mouseghost> id thought that maybe it did write to it after all 2021-09-09T12:23:44 < mouseghost> but that shouldnt wear it out that quickly.. at least i think.. 2021-09-09T12:24:03 < ehsanecc> Well it's a wizard, adding libraries (HAL and FatFs and ...) and you can start from some good point to save time! 2021-09-09T12:25:30 < mouseghost> yeah i know. ive used pubemx in the past 2021-09-09T12:25:36 < ehsanecc> mouseghost: I exactly think same, It's too quick even for a cheap microSD (which is not always used because my customer used mid-level to expensive microSD's too) to damage so quickly 2021-09-09T12:26:18 < mouseghost> yea, from my calculations itd be like 80k writes; and cards are supposed to last longer.. 2021-09-09T12:26:42 < ehsanecc> mouseghost: thanks for your time and response, i hope i found a solution for it! :| and if i do, i will share it here :) 2021-09-09T12:27:00 < mouseghost> np, i dont really know anything, and yes do share! 2021-09-09T12:31:27 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn159.95-103-127.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2021-09-09T12:47:01 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T12:48:05 < karlp> "provides a high-performance solution enabled by a 6-layer PCB with through-hole design for better EMC performance." 2021-09-09T12:50:44 < englishman> lol 2021-09-09T12:52:15 < karlp> from https://uk.farnell.com/nxp/mimxrt1160-evk/eval-kit-cross-over-mcu/dp/3770350 2021-09-09T12:52:25 < karlp> I wonder who wrotte that 2021-09-09T12:52:51 < srk> high performance through-hole arduino header 2021-09-09T12:55:03 < karlp> board user manual actually describes stackup in detail, which is odd. 2021-09-09T12:55:07 < karlp> or, new to me at least. 2021-09-09T12:55:20 < karlp> also, 1/2oz on the outer layers, 1oz on the inner? that also seems odd. 2021-09-09T12:55:37 < karlp> at least all the cheap fabs I look at specs for do 1/2 on the inners, 1 on the outer 2021-09-09T12:56:00 < karlp> heh, jlc does purple pcbs now 2021-09-09T12:56:55 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T12:57:18 < jpa-> maybe it is just a typo and they meant "through-out design" or something 2021-09-09T12:58:03 < englishman> all the cheap fabs are backwards compared to what white people fabs do ime 2021-09-09T12:58:45 < karlp> englishman: so how does that happen? and why? 2021-09-09T12:59:20 < englishman> i don’t quite remember but i do have some ipc document about it. 2021-09-09T12:59:36 < englishman> Something about proper plating of the vias 2021-09-09T13:25:34 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T13:29:35 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T13:30:26 < karlp> ok, eurocircuits does default to 1/2/oz outer, 1oz inner. 2021-09-09T13:30:50 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-09T13:32:17 < karlp> heh, they don't even allow 1/2 inner, 1oz outer 2021-09-09T13:32:56 < jpa-> and aisler starts with 0.5 outer, 1 inner, but then plates the outer to 1 2021-09-09T13:35:47 < karlp> ah, yes, eurocircuits defaults to 1/2 outer, but says it ends at 1oz final. ~18/35micron 2021-09-09T13:44:04 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T13:49:38 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T13:56:11 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.8] 2021-09-09T14:00:32 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T14:05:30 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T14:15:53 -!- ehsanecc1 [~ehsanecc@195.181.8.76] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T14:16:40 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@195.181.8.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-09T14:17:44 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T14:22:18 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T14:25:34 -!- emeryth1 [emeryth@boston-packets.hackerspace.pl] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T14:26:32 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-09T14:28:12 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T14:33:42 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T14:37:33 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-09T14:38:31 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-09T14:43:19 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T14:44:32 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T14:44:56 < drzacek> okay so I'm having a hard time understanding this, but I think I finally got it, after watching countless tutorials that don't really addressed this 2021-09-09T14:45:52 < drzacek> If I want to use interrupt, no matter what kind, I activate some stuff in cubemx as usual, and then I just define the interrupt routine/function in my code? 2021-09-09T14:46:30 < drzacek> how does it know that it needs to call it? why this isn't a redefinition of function? Why not some "register_interrupt(interrupt type, function pointer)" or something? 2021-09-09T14:46:35 < drzacek> confusing, confusing 2021-09-09T14:48:06 < karlp> drzacek: the handlers are often defined as "weak symbols" 2021-09-09T14:48:20 < kakium69> it is redefinition of function 2021-09-09T14:48:21 < karlp> so as soon as you define a matching one, that takes precendence, no concerns with redefinition of functions. 2021-09-09T14:48:36 < drzacek> got it 2021-09-09T14:48:56 < drzacek> kinda wished this was somehow mentioned, somewhere. Probly was, in the official documentation 2021-09-09T14:48:57 < kakium69> default definitions are in your startup file 2021-09-09T14:49:00 < karlp> you could make a system that forced you to register things, but it just adds a layer of indirection for no particular gain. 2021-09-09T14:49:02 < karlp> it' 2021-09-09T14:49:17 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@45.12.80.88] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T14:49:21 < karlp> s not really interesting to most people, but if you ctrl-click around enough, you can normally find both implementations... 2021-09-09T14:50:54 < drzacek> it also looks like it takes care of all interrupts for given type, aka timer interrupts functions (is this thing called ISR?) are for all timers, and need checks if the pointer passed is really for the one timer I care about 2021-09-09T14:51:09 < drzacek> so by not defining enough stuff inside, can I kill something? 2021-09-09T14:51:40 < kakium69> you mean brick? 2021-09-09T14:51:45 < drzacek> I kinda explain it badly, but what I mean is - by redefining my own function, do I need to make some global call, so the stuff that were happening in original functions got called? 2021-09-09T14:51:57 -!- ehsanecc1 [~ehsanecc@195.181.8.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-09T14:52:21 < kakium69> there usually is nothing in default interrupt routine 2021-09-09T14:52:23 < drzacek> I think about overriding events in qt now, and if I did that, I needed to call the base class event handler in my member function too, otherwise it was borked 2021-09-09T14:52:51 < karlp> drzacek: well, cube hal has it's own layers... 2021-09-09T14:53:21 < karlp> I can't speak much to how they do that, but iirc, yes, they do use layers that you need to be aware of. 2021-09-09T14:55:47 < drzacek> so when I make my own function, I should at least check up the original one too, to see if something interesting is there 2021-09-09T14:56:09 < karlp> if you're in hal land yeah 2021-09-09T14:56:22 < drzacek> yes #halislove 2021-09-09T14:56:43 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[~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T18:21:10 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T18:25:26 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T18:25:38 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-09T18:26:34 < bitmask> Steffanx look how far ive come, a SECOND triangle! https://i.imgur.com/zPdXvsM.png 2021-09-09T18:26:35 < bitmask> :P 2021-09-09T18:28:12 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-09T18:29:49 < jpa-> here in finland we call that a square 2021-09-09T18:29:58 < jpa-> or maybe rectangle ;) 2021-09-09T18:30:30 < bitmask> :) 2021-09-09T18:56:36 < karlp> here, this one's better, it "properly" uses documentation in teh comments ;) https://github.com/stm32-rs/stm32g4xx-hal/blob/master/src/adc.rs#L75-L152 2021-09-09T18:58:16 -!- 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< Steffanx> -n 2021-09-09T19:12:57 < Steffanx> Damn it 2021-09-09T19:12:59 < bitmask> :D 2021-09-09T19:13:13 < bitmask> i get rotation this chapter though! 2021-09-09T19:14:43 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T19:17:02 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T19:17:33 < kakium69> bitmask: what is wrong with opengl2.1? 2021-09-09T19:17:51 < bitmask> why learn something outdated 2021-09-09T19:19:06 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T19:19:19 < bitmask> vulkan be da future 2021-09-09T19:19:22 < bitmask> this is the way 2021-09-09T19:19:30 < kakium69> show me codez 2021-09-09T19:20:03 < kakium69> we open source your project by force 2021-09-09T19:20:15 < bitmask> its 1000 lines just to render a triangle! :P 2021-09-09T19:20:23 < kakium69> hmm 2021-09-09T19:20:32 < bitmask> its crazy but i mean its the way things are going 2021-09-09T19:20:37 < kakium69> I think with opengl it takes like 5lines 2021-09-09T19:20:40 < bitmask> and once you build helper functions it wont be an issue 2021-09-09T19:21:03 < kakium69> 5+SDL or similar to create viewport or whatever it's called 2021-09-09T19:21:54 < bitmask> yea its very verbose but you have more control and it doesnt really matter once you write the initial code. you write the helpers and then just use that from then on when starting new projects, no biggie 2021-09-09T19:22:59 < kakium69> show the codez 2021-09-09T19:24:28 < bitmask> https://vulkan-tutorial.com/code/20_index_buffer.cpp 2021-09-09T19:27:31 < kakium69> tldr 2021-09-09T19:29:10 < bitmask> bastard 2021-09-09T19:29:18 < bitmask> you made me get the link, now read it! 2021-09-09T19:31:03 < kakium69> cannot understand it 2021-09-09T19:31:48 < bitmask> good, you would be a freak if you could 2021-09-09T19:32:52 < kakium69> does it use shaders? 2021-09-09T19:33:07 < kakium69> like modern opengl 2021-09-09T19:33:24 < kakium69> oh yes I found it 2021-09-09T19:34:13 < bitmask> yea 2021-09-09T19:35:41 < bitmask> you can write them in a few diff langs (im using the std glsl) then compile them to some half compiled format 2021-09-09T19:35:59 < bitmask> SPIR-V 2021-09-09T19:37:02 < bitmask> its like java's bytecode or whatever its called 2021-09-09T19:46:59 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T19:47:19 < kakium69> why there is such massive boilerplate? 2021-09-09T19:47:32 < kakium69> it's more flexible? 2021-09-09T19:52:14 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T19:56:12 < bitmask> yea 2021-09-09T19:57:14 < bitmask> nothing is assumed, and it actually matches how graphics cards work today, opengl had to make assumptions on some things because of how it was setup 2021-09-09T20:02:16 < kakium69> what is the program size? 2021-09-09T20:03:12 < bitmask> probably not accurate since im on mac, vulkan is native on windows and linux but on mac it has to convert to apple's metal 2021-09-09T20:03:44 < bitmask> metal vulkan and directx12 are apparently all very similar 2021-09-09T20:06:12 < bitmask> eventually i'll install it on my windows partition and desktop but for dev im using os x 2021-09-09T20:07:44 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T20:12:18 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T20:25:59 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T20:30:46 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-09T20:31:56 < machinehum> I designed in TI buck regulator: 3$, digikey qtd. 1 2021-09-09T20:32:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T20:32:13 < machinehum> Currently it's 26$, sketchy chinese broker, qtd. 1 2021-09-09T20:32:18 < machinehum> What in the fuck 2021-09-09T20:33:08 < mawk> it's the shortage machinehum 2021-09-09T20:33:12 < mawk> haven't you heard! 2021-09-09T20:33:14 < mawk> ?* 2021-09-09T20:34:41 < kakium69> what regulator? 2021-09-09T20:37:15 < machinehum> TPS62095RGTR 2021-09-09T20:37:29 < machinehum> Hard time to be a ee 2021-09-09T20:37:47 < machinehum> Back to landing sketchy projects working on someone's blockchain project! 2021-09-09T20:38:14 < machinehum> I should have just bought up a bunch of shit and hustled it out of my place 2021-09-09T20:39:56 < machinehum> Looking at DDR3 ram on Amazon it's cheaper to buy old laptop sticks and just desolder them 2021-09-09T20:40:14 < machinehum> Do you have to do something special with BGA? some reballing bullshit? 2021-09-09T20:43:00 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T20:45:32 < machinehum> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVTxHx0z-wo 2021-09-09T20:45:35 < machinehum> Oh 2021-09-09T20:45:45 < machinehum> So if you paste the baord you don't need to reball 2021-09-09T20:46:00 < machinehum> shutup machinehum 2021-09-09T20:46:03 < machinehum> okay 2021-09-09T20:47:17 < qyx> ddr3 what for 2021-09-09T20:47:24 < qyx> stm32mp1? 2021-09-09T20:50:22 < machinehum> Allwinner A33 2021-09-09T20:50:31 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T20:50:43 < machinehum> It's starting to look like laptop DDR3 (small sticks) are all 1.35V(LP) and the desktop are 1.5V 2021-09-09T20:57:28 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T21:00:30 < qyx> machinehum: ping me when you are done and it works 2021-09-09T21:01:27 -!- emeryth1 is now known as emeryth 2021-09-09T21:02:23 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-09T21:05:44 < Steffanx> mouseghost: its time for your not-daily bicycle trip photos - http://imgur.com/a/fPlgQDz 2021-09-09T21:06:11 < mouseghost> cool cool 2021-09-09T21:06:12 < mouseghost> very flat 2021-09-09T21:08:32 < Steffanx> Lol yeah, dont think that will change any time soon 2021-09-09T21:12:11 < kakium69> is it cold? 2021-09-09T21:14:26 < Steffanx> No, its warm. 2021-09-09T21:14:46 < Steffanx> 21-23 °C 2021-09-09T21:14:57 < kakium69> ideal 2021-09-09T21:17:47 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-09T21:18:34 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T21:20:18 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T21:22:21 < machinehum> qyx: Works great 2021-09-09T21:22:36 < machinehum> https://github.com/Machine-Hum/wifiwart 2021-09-09T21:24:38 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T21:25:10 < Steffanx> DIY bga soldering, machinehum ? 2021-09-09T21:27:13 < machinehum> Yes 2021-09-09T21:27:30 < machinehum> It was actually super simple 2021-09-09T21:27:48 < machinehum> Just smash the paste down, smash all the chips down, oven 2021-09-09T21:28:28 < Steffanx> Proper oven or also DIY? 2021-09-09T21:36:19 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T21:38:10 < machinehum> DIY 2021-09-09T21:38:19 < machinehum> Toaster with Arduano reflow controller 2021-09-09T21:40:45 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T22:11:45 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T22:15:58 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T22:16:06 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T22:16:55 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T22:17:53 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-09T22:40:19 < kakium69> diy oven can be more proper than 20usd hack from the usual suspects 2021-09-09T22:43:58 < qyx> machinehum: how much current does it draw in idle? 2021-09-09T22:44:25 < machinehum> From the 5V line? 2021-09-09T22:44:40 < machinehum> 300mA 2021-09-09T22:44:54 < qyx> meh too much 2021-09-09T22:44:58 < machinehum> lol 2021-09-09T22:45:10 < qyx> soc+ddr only? 2021-09-09T22:45:21 < machinehum> There's an SD card and two wifi radios 2021-09-09T22:45:27 < machinehum> Let me unplug the radios 2021-09-09T22:45:51 < machinehum> Radio's are hungry 2021-09-09T22:45:58 < machinehum> 200mA w/o 2021-09-09T22:45:59 < qyx> trying to find anything with <0.4 W 2021-09-09T22:46:04 < qyx> hm 2021-09-09T22:46:31 < machinehum> Well hold on that was booting give me a sec 2021-09-09T22:47:02 < qyx> ddr3 is probably the most hungry part 2021-09-09T22:47:36 < machinehum> 97mA 2021-09-09T22:47:50 < machinehum> After it's done booting and whatnot 2021-09-09T22:48:18 < machinehum> However that goes up to about 0.5A when going full burn 2021-09-09T22:49:57 < machinehum> The sunxi community is real good 2021-09-09T22:50:16 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T22:51:49 < qyx> 97 mA is quite competitive 2021-09-09T22:52:40 < qyx> maybe if it supports lpddr it can be lower 2021-09-09T22:53:26 < machinehum> It does 2021-09-09T22:53:36 < machinehum> I'm using lpddr3 2021-09-09T22:53:55 < machinehum> I mean if you need super low idle currents why wouldn't you use a supervisor MCU or something? 2021-09-09T22:54:08 < qyx> oh 2021-09-09T22:54:31 < qyx> and could you try rtcwake -m mem -s 10 2021-09-09T22:54:43 < qyx> whats the suspend to ram idle current 2021-09-09T22:54:52 < qyx> and if it wakes up correctly after 10 seconds 2021-09-09T22:55:10 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-09T22:55:13 < qyx> sama5d27 can achieve 13 mA at 3V3 2021-09-09T22:55:46 < qyx> robably even lower currents are possible because that said sma5d27 SoM have ddr3l 2021-09-09T23:00:58 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-09T23:02:25 < machinehum> -sh: rtcwake: not found 2021-09-09T23:02:31 < machinehum> Not installed 2021-09-09T23:03:07 < machinehum> I suppose I could install it 2021-09-09T23:04:24 < machinehum> Is rtcwake part of a bigger package? Nothing when I search for it in buildroot 2021-09-09T23:04:42 < machinehum> rtc-tools perhaps? 2021-09-09T23:04:44 < qyx> if you don't have anything more sane to do 2021-09-09T23:04:52 < qyx> hm idk, probably 2021-09-09T23:05:32 < qyx> util-linux 2021-09-09T23:07:45 < machinehum> busybox 2021-09-09T23:12:34 < machinehum> qyx: Trying this just for you, in the hopes you one day might buy my product and provide me with my TPS62095RGTR 2021-09-09T23:15:10 < machinehum> # rtcwake -m mem -s 10 2021-09-09T23:15:13 < machinehum> rtcwake: /dev/rtc0 not enabled for wakeup events 2021-09-09T23:15:14 < machinehum> idk 2021-09-09T23:16:15 < qyx> :( 2021-09-09T23:16:26 < qyx> I'll give you a github star! 2021-09-09T23:16:41 < qyx> but thank you very much, now I know A33 + LPDDR3 setup is feasible 2021-09-09T23:18:01 < machinehum> Yeah the routing for the chip is nice as well, 4 layer baord no problem 2021-09-09T23:24:51 < qyx> maybe I'll finish my stm32mp1 soon 2021-09-09T23:25:10 < qyx> I don't even know whats the current state of the project 2021-09-09T23:25:19 < machinehum> Did ST make a PMIC to power the MP1? 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On freenode there are like 10 people and I bet 8 of them are bouncers that people forgot to disconnect :) 2021-09-10T07:17:10 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-10T08:45:06 < ventyl> bitmask: uh oh 2021-09-10T08:45:16 < ventyl> bitmask: opengl would be like 200 tops 2021-09-10T08:45:35 < bitmask> i know 2021-09-10T08:45:59 < bitmask> id rather learn the newer tech 2021-09-10T08:50:25 -!- qyx [~qyx@gw2.krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-10T09:47:11 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I know in "big scale" you can talk to the vendors directly, panasonic et al, but digikey/mouser straight up won't even ship them. encryption restrictions be damned. 2021-09-10T15:03:05 < karlp> I can get a limited selection of stuff locally, but say I want 100-1000? 2021-09-10T15:03:23 < tct> hmm, for small quantities usually mouser/rs-components/those 2021-09-10T15:03:31 < tct> they did ship them to switzerland :/ 2021-09-10T15:04:01 < tct> karlp, aliexpress but not sure if that fits your supply chain 2021-09-10T15:04:21 < tct> karlp, I had a project which needed 6k lipos and I got them from a "reputable chinese manufacturer" worked out well. 2021-09-10T15:04:35 < tct> they told me that they do >10 pieces 2021-09-10T15:05:13 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-10T15:05:32 < karlp> tct: yeah, they flat out say no shipping for us. 2021-09-10T15:05:42 < tct> ufff 2021-09-10T15:05:48 < tct> then I won be of any help, sry. 2021-09-10T15:05:56 < karlp> that's alright, I know I live on an island. 2021-09-10T15:06:18 < tct> that shouldn't be a factor - is this due to some import of "explosive" goods or smth? 2021-09-10T15:06:21 < karlp> nkon has said inthe past that they can do it, but the start costs are like $500 or so. 2021-09-10T15:06:29 < karlp> yeah, the whole "no lipos in the air freight" issue. 2021-09-10T15:06:44 < tct> but you guys get ships too, right? 2021-09-10T15:06:56 < karlp> apparently no-one can deal with that... 2021-09-10T15:07:02 < karlp> but yes, of course it _should_ work... 2021-09-10T15:07:11 < tct> what capacity per piece? I thought air shipping allows for 100Wh per package or something 2021-09-10T15:07:30 < karlp> but apparently that's "sea freight... 3 months, maybe you get your package, maybe not" not "ground, 3 day" 2021-09-10T15:07:36 < karlp> 10-40mAh. 2021-09-10T15:07:50 < karlp> tct: from experience, telling a vendor the rules doens't really make them change their mind much :) 2021-09-10T15:07:58 < tct> what do you/they mean with "maybe you get your package"? just because it's shipped by ship shouldn't affect the reliability of the delivery services? :D 2021-09-10T15:08:07 < karlp> have you shipped by sea much? :) 2021-09-10T15:08:10 < tct> karlp, alright :( 2021-09-10T15:08:19 < tct> karlp, I am surrounded by non-sea so nope :D 2021-09-10T15:08:41 < tct> karlp, I had the idea that ships are just a form of transportation. the logistics/organization shouldn't be different from trains, trucks & planes? 2021-09-10T15:08:51 < karlp> one would think. 2021-09-10T15:08:56 < karlp> and of course it should be. 2021-09-10T15:09:02 < karlp> they still seem to lose a lot more. 2021-09-10T15:09:11 < tct> ufff 2021-09-10T15:09:16 < tct> well I have nothing valuable to say then, sry :( 2021-09-10T15:10:29 < karlp> that's ok, thanks for the suggestions. 2021-09-10T15:11:49 < tct> just curious: Do they differentiate whether they ship to an individual or a business enitity? 2021-09-10T15:12:43 < karlp> oh, if we went down this path, we'd probably line up euro ground shipping to a port and have an icelandic freigth company pick it up, but, trying to avoid going that far really. 2021-09-10T15:12:51 < karlp> we don't want to manufacture here anyway. 2021-09-10T15:14:46 < tct> I see 2021-09-10T15:18:41 < englishman> karlp: the reason you can’t buy grey market batteries legitimately is the mfgs don’t want to sell cells. Too much risk. Talk to a battery pack manufacturer, they will sell you a safe pack and the UN cert to go with it 2021-09-10T15:18:58 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T15:19:41 < englishman> Yes like tectu said. A reputable, and probably Chinese manufacturer 2021-09-10T15:23:04 < karlp> digikey == grey market for you? 2021-09-10T15:23:34 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-10T15:23:37 < tct> karlp, if you like I can quickly hit one of the chinese sellers I used in the past and ask them whether they ship to weird places? 2021-09-10T15:24:22 < englishman> digikey doesn't even sell cell lithium-metal batteries to canucks 2021-09-10T15:24:27 < englishman> they dont even sell nimhs iirc 2021-09-10T15:24:48 < karlp> englishman: yeah, digikey sells tthem to us only according to them. 2021-09-10T15:25:00 < karlp> tct: sure, no committment though. 2021-09-10T15:25:06 < englishman> remember that as of jan 1 of this year you are required to furnish the un cert to all downstream supply chain people 2021-09-10T15:25:09 < karlp> s/us/USA/ 2021-09-10T15:25:12 < tct> karlp, sure, can you provide me with the details? 2021-09-10T15:26:48 < karlp> tct: something similar to https://industrial.panasonic.com/ww/products/pt/coin_rechargeable_lithium/models/VL2020 2021-09-10T15:27:17 < tct> oh, coin cells. not sure if they do those. I'll ask tho. 2021-09-10T15:27:42 < karlp> englishman: yeah, I'm still really hoping we can get by with supercaps, just to avoid all this shit 2021-09-10T15:28:02 < karlp> in other news, isn't this like what ... mitrax? was working on https://plumspace.com/products/smart-sfp/5g-4g-usb-router/ 2021-09-10T15:28:52 < tct> karlp, I take it that it has to be coin cell format? pouch won't work? 2021-09-10T15:29:58 < zyp> karlp, my DHL agreement has a $100 surcharge for shipments containing loose lithium cells 2021-09-10T15:30:24 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@fw-tnat-cam7.arm.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T15:31:09 < karlp> tct: nah, pouch would be fine too really. 2021-09-10T15:31:33 < tct> karlp, talking to them now - can you provide technical specs pls? If they go with it I can forward contact information if you like. 2021-09-10T15:31:34 < karlp> zyp: that's a lot lower than nkon reckons for us here, but soudns reasonable 2021-09-10T15:31:51 < karlp> nah, don't go any futher than "do you ship to iceland at all?" 2021-09-10T15:32:07 < karlp> like I said, i'm still trying to get power consumption to a point where supercaps alone are viable 2021-09-10T15:32:51 < zyp> karlp, it's 13200 ISK: https://mydhl.express.dhl/is/en/ship/surcharges.html 2021-09-10T15:33:29 < tct> karlp, > yeah,we have 401020 3.7V 40mah 2021-09-10T15:33:38 < karlp> yeah, that kinda falls into the "telling the vendor the rules" :) 2021-09-10T15:33:59 < karlp> if they won't ship it, it doesn't matter if dhl says they will for a fee.. 2021-09-10T15:34:02 < karlp> but good to know 2021-09-10T15:34:10 < karlp> we can probably jsut say "use our dhl account instead" 2021-09-10T15:34:16 < zyp> exactly 2021-09-10T15:34:39 < zyp> or order for pickup and schedule your own dhl pickup from them :) 2021-09-10T15:35:23 < zyp> so far I've used my dhl account more for receiving than sending, it's surprisingly convenient 2021-09-10T15:35:26 < tct> karlp, they don't do coin cells, but they have 4.2*10.5*23.5mm(T*W*L) pouch-style. They are currently checking whether they can ship to Iceland 2021-09-10T15:37:55 < englishman> it's not too much shit all in all 2021-09-10T15:38:00 < englishman> doesnt even compare to CE testing 2021-09-10T15:38:06 < englishman> just a couple extra documents 2021-09-10T15:38:57 < englishman> talking to a battery integrator also got us a better product at a great price, and a single item to order when it comes time to get a batch, shit is tested and comes with the correct custom cable etc 2021-09-10T15:49:11 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.98] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T15:51:02 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T15:53:44 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-10T15:56:02 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.124.116] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T15:56:14 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-10T16:04:04 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.124.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-10T16:06:25 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.113] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T16:07:18 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T16:11:46 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-10T16:19:39 < karlp> CE testing, where you just scribble on a piece of paper that you promise you comply right? ;) 2021-09-10T16:24:59 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T16:28:30 < Steffanx> Except that you do actual tests 2021-09-10T16:29:30 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-10T16:29:35 < karlp> yes, _we_ do, 2021-09-10T16:29:42 < karlp> butthere's not any requirement that you do so... 2021-09-10T16:29:51 < karlp> Shippers or freight forwarders should not try to split a consignment across multiple air 2021-09-10T16:29:53 < karlp> waybills to try to avoid the application of the lithium battery mark where there are more than 2021-09-10T16:29:55 < karlp> two packages with lithium batteries contained in equipment under Section II in a consignment. 2021-09-10T16:31:41 < karlp> I like how they specify a 100x100m marking.. 2021-09-10T16:37:55 < karlp> heh, I love these new energy ratings, 2021-09-10T16:38:03 < karlp> good to see not everything being a+++ again. 2021-09-10T16:38:23 < karlp> still, not awesome seeing every single fridge in the size I'm looking at be rated, "F" :) 2021-09-10T16:59:25 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T17:04:43 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-10T17:10:08 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T17:11:00 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-10T17:13:13 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.215] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T17:17:03 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.191.227.147] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T17:19:04 < ehsanecc> Hi, is this possible to use unused flash space to store files? I want to format unused space with FatFs and write some files there. I need to write a driver to accessing flash for FatFs library, but i don't know how to access flash content!! :| any document/link? thanks in advance 2021-09-10T17:20:00 < ehsanecc> I'm using EWIAR as compiler 2021-09-10T17:22:23 < karlp> no idea with iar, but this is just linker sections 2021-09-10T17:22:32 < karlp> scatter files I think keil calls them at least, not sure on iar? 2021-09-10T17:23:20 < c10ud> create a fatfs image with your desktop pc, link it to your executable with the external objects function of iar, get the address at runtime and point your fatfs library at it 2021-09-10T17:25:08 < c10ud> "raw binary image", that is 2021-09-10T17:26:10 < c10ud> btw, i hope you want a readonly fs 2021-09-10T17:26:27 < karlp> ssh, dont' spoil the fun :) 2021-09-10T17:28:10 < ehsanecc> thanks, but i don't want a readonly fs. i want this space to be writable, accessible so that i can copy some files from microSD card into it 2021-09-10T17:29:22 < ehsanecc> actually i didn't find anything useful for what i want, searched a lot! maybe i search wrong, i just need to write into that flash memory! 2021-09-10T17:30:03 < ehsanecc> I searched for IAP (In-Application Programming) but nothing useful found, sadly 2021-09-10T17:30:47 < karlp> you can write into flash too, butyou have to decide whether you want a fs or not. (you probably don't) 2021-09-10T17:30:59 < karlp> and you need to observe the page granularity wrt to erases 2021-09-10T17:33:17 < ehsanecc> karlp: my English is not good, if i understand correctly, you mean it's hard or nearly impossible to make a writable fs on flash? idk 2021-09-10T17:36:05 < ehsanecc> I have stm32f103re which has 512KB of flash and my code is about 64KB, so most of flash is there without use and i have some bmp files(which can be changed by user) on a microSD card, AND big problem is microsd's get damaged after about every two weeks!! :)) i really don't know what to do so i thought maybe copying some of most used images (like fonts) into flash could help! 2021-09-10T17:36:06 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T17:37:49 < ehsanecc> actually my employer asked me to do this as a solution, and i don't like to tell him i don't know how to do it hehe, so struggling to find a way, seems there is no! 2021-09-10T17:39:01 < ehsanecc> so, the problem is something else, and a possible solution here is another problem for me. :/ damn 2021-09-10T17:41:27 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-10T17:42:31 < ehsanecc> karlp: i didn't understand this part: "observe the page granularity wrt to erases" 2021-09-10T17:46:54 < Steffanx> Wouldnt your boss want to know why the sd card gets corrupted before you start to work on something that might not even fix it? 2021-09-10T17:59:16 < ehsanecc> we don't know, i designed it 6 years ago. i checked voltages, 3.3v. pull-up resistors are 47K. have no idea! 2021-09-10T17:59:45 < ehsanecc> but in some products that image refresh delay is more, we don't have much sd damages 2021-09-10T18:00:20 < ehsanecc> seems like, less we use sd card, less it get damaged 2021-09-10T18:01:39 < jpa-> ehsanecc: does the card power supply get turned off when operation is in progress? 2021-09-10T18:07:35 < ehsanecc> jpa-: no, not very much. actually it's an elevator board to show floors 2021-09-10T18:07:44 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.191.227.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-10T18:08:33 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.191.227.147] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T18:08:36 < ehsanecc> jpa-: no, not very much. actually it's an elevator board to show floors. maybe if any power failure in building happens. 2021-09-10T18:08:37 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T18:09:11 < ehsanecc> but it's not just for one customer, until now about 300 sd's damaged without any clear reason! 2021-09-10T18:09:21 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: so have you tried taking out a "corrupted" SD card and reading it all with a cardreader on a regular computer to check how exactly the corruption looks like? 2021-09-10T18:09:51 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: probably it's just a problem with your fatfs implementation or something like that. 2021-09-10T18:09:53 < ehsanecc> PaulFertser: yes i did and i have 11 of them, first of all reading get very very slow 2021-09-10T18:09:56 < ehsanecc> then damage occurs 2021-09-10T18:10:03 < ehsanecc> and read not possible 2021-09-10T18:10:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-10T18:10:57 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: if cardread can't read the card it means the card is not suitable at all. Probably just super shitty cards. Or probably your hardware damages them by inappropriate voltage pulses or something like that. 2021-09-10T18:11:01 < ehsanecc> PaulFertser: no i don't think it's a fatfs problem because a simple format should fix it but it not 2021-09-10T18:11:13 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: chances are you bought junk cards 2021-09-10T18:12:32 < jpa-> ehsanecc: so they are mostly just read out but not written very often? 2021-09-10T18:12:49 < ehsanecc> PaulFertser: I don't buy cards, my emplyer does and he says he buy good quality card for some of customers that have very problem because of his reputation in market! 2021-09-10T18:12:57 < jpa-> if cards break by just reading & using, yeah, seems you have bad quality cards or run them way too hot 2021-09-10T18:13:20 < jpa-> so you have yourself seen broken cards from multiple brands? 2021-09-10T18:13:49 < ehsanecc> just reads, but PaulFertser say a good point about spikes, could it be? because i directly connect stm32 to sd 2021-09-10T18:13:55 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-10T18:14:03 < ehsanecc> jpa-: yes, multiple chinese brands! :) 2021-09-10T18:14:24 < jpa-> reads slowing down, but still working does not sound like voltage spike damage 2021-09-10T18:14:59 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: by spikes I meant something exceeding the max allowed voltage momentarily due to bad power supplies or something like that. And you say powerful motors might be around 2021-09-10T18:15:28 < ehsanecc> i was thinking about control vdd of sd so i can shut it down when i don't need it so it could last longer! 2021-09-10T18:15:38 < PaulFertser> Yes, reads slowing down sounds like trash firmware on card or super bad quality nand in the first place. 2021-09-10T18:15:43 < ehsanecc> but changing hardware is not an option here, we have 400 devices 2021-09-10T18:15:56 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: 400 devices is nothing if the card is removable without soldering. 2021-09-10T18:16:11 < ehsanecc> PaulFertser: no not powerful motors, board is in cabin 2021-09-10T18:16:33 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: expecting any reliability from random SD cards from China is just a very wrong decision in the first place. 2021-09-10T18:17:27 < PaulFertser> And you can't do anything reasonable with black boxes full of shit. 2021-09-10T18:19:05 < ehsanecc> PaulFertser: well, It's Iran's market full of chinese low quality stuff. we could import high quality ones but i think the overall price will go higher than what customer expects! 2021-09-10T18:19:11 < jpa-> ehsanecc: do you know what ambient temperature the device operates in? have you measured it? 2021-09-10T18:19:29 < jpa-> flash degrades much faster in high temperatures 2021-09-10T18:19:58 < ehsanecc> jpa-: it's less than 40 celsius 2021-09-10T18:20:30 < ehsanecc> jpa-: i didn'e measure but i know most of customers are in tehran which in worst case 40 celsius 2021-09-10T18:20:51 < jpa-> you mean the outside temperature is 40 celsius, but is that the temperature where the device is? 2021-09-10T18:21:12 < jpa-> install it with a power supply in a sealed box and you easily get 80°C 2021-09-10T18:21:27 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: then you need to redisign it to not ever use SD cards at all. If integrated flash is big enough, use that, if not, add some external flash. How much do you really need? 16 MiB SPI NOR chip costs about two bucks. 2021-09-10T18:21:54 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: and yes, what jpa- says 2021-09-10T18:23:49 < ehsanecc> jpa-: have to check it, make a test version to see temperature changes. thanks 2021-09-10T18:24:06 < jpa-> one guess would be if the elevator causes vibrations that cause intermitten contact in the microsd socket (of course crappiest cheapest model?), that causes power fluctuations - but it would affect mostly during writes, not reads 2021-09-10T18:24:16 < karlp> it's inside an elevator with a screen, I bet it getsnice and warm. 2021-09-10T18:24:24 < ehsanecc> PaulFertser: yes, actually using sd cards was a bad idea in first place. did not expect these problems 2021-09-10T18:24:26 < jpa-> i do know that many cheap sd cards fail like that if power is cut while writing, but i haven't heard it happening if you only read from them 2021-09-10T18:25:31 < jpa-> if you can fit all stuff in internal flash, that is a simple solution; but if you can't, putting just part of it there seems pretty useless 2021-09-10T18:26:53 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-10T18:28:10 < ehsanecc> jpa-: no, not all files could fit into flash, pictures can't! just fonts. good point. 2021-09-10T18:29:09 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.211] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T18:31:38 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.191.227.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-10T18:34:00 < PaulFertser> https://aliexpress.com/item/32639023490.html $1 per chip actually. 2021-09-10T18:36:04 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-10T18:38:34 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.124.116] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T18:43:37 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T18:48:40 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-10T19:01:14 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T19:05:15 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T19:06:02 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-10T19:14:18 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T19:16:06 < mawk> the intern I supervise saw my irc nick 2021-09-10T19:16:10 < mawk> I hope he's not in this channel 2021-09-10T19:16:13 < mawk> are you my intern mouseghost ??? 2021-09-10T19:16:37 < mouseghost> mawk, no no, i dont think so 2021-09-10T19:16:41 < mouseghost> how much do you pay him? 2021-09-10T19:16:46 < mawk> 400€/month I think 2021-09-10T19:17:00 < mouseghost> then im not 2021-09-10T19:17:45 < jpa-> mawk: lul, seriously? 2021-09-10T19:17:55 < jpa-> i didn't know dutchers were so cheap 2021-09-10T19:18:00 < mawk> karlp: we buy the batteries there: https://www.tadiranbat.com/ 2021-09-10T19:18:09 < mawk> I don't know jpa- , that's the rate in france but I assume it's the same here 2021-09-10T19:18:25 < mawk> karlp: in bulk 2021-09-10T19:18:37 < jpa-> here a typical pay for intern in technical work would be 1500€/month 2021-09-10T19:19:17 < mouseghost> here the typical pay for intern is either 0 or - 2021-09-10T19:19:27 < mouseghost> jpa-, where you from 2021-09-10T19:19:37 < jpa-> finland 2021-09-10T19:19:50 < mouseghost> OOO VODKA PERKELE 2021-09-10T19:19:50 < jpa-> do you then hire useless interns or just cheat them out on pay? 2021-09-10T19:19:58 < mouseghost> i dont know 2021-09-10T19:20:01 < mouseghost> probably the former 2021-09-10T19:20:14 < mouseghost> people do seem useless as fuck here 2021-09-10T19:20:42 < mouseghost> and still they tell me i need to go do junior job -.- 2021-09-10T19:20:51 < mouseghost> jpa-, hows junior pay 2021-09-10T19:21:05 < mouseghost> a question for mawk as well 2021-09-10T19:21:26 < mawk> just use this small battery karlp : https://www.tadiranbat.com/assets/tlp-94181-d-mo1.pdf 2021-09-10T19:21:33 < mawk> perfect for any portable application 2021-09-10T19:21:44 < mawk> 800Ah 2021-09-10T19:22:50 < mouseghost> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/782335653441830943/885794358543122442/8642a38caf85e6122e769cf68eac3f31.jpg 2021-09-10T19:24:14 < mawk> my junior pay is 2300€/month 2021-09-10T19:24:27 < mawk> net of revenue tax 2021-09-10T19:25:24 < jpa-> mouseghost: depends mostly on education background 2021-09-10T19:25:43 < mouseghost> just high school, jpa- 2021-09-10T19:26:56 < jpa-> then depends on if you have something else to show that you know what you are doing, and it is pretty random whether the hiring staff are able to evaluate such 2021-09-10T19:27:26 < mouseghost> i-i have my projects.. 2021-09-10T19:27:33 < jpa-> it can work 2021-09-10T19:27:35 < mouseghost> mawk, ngl 2300 eur sound nice 2021-09-10T19:27:50 < mouseghost> could pay rent with that 2021-09-10T19:27:52 < mouseghost> get some food 2021-09-10T19:27:52 < jpa-> but the work market in finland is very much education/graduation based 2021-09-10T19:27:56 < mouseghost> i see 2021-09-10T19:28:22 < mouseghost> well, i was just thinking about how i would live if i had gone to NL to study 2021-09-10T19:28:44 < jpa-> without a degree in some technical area, one can easily get stuck with intern-level wages for a few years before the amount of work experience starts to speak for itself 2021-09-10T19:28:58 < mouseghost> i see... though thats pretty dumb imo... 2021-09-10T19:29:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-10T19:29:13 < mouseghost> i want to study something thats not related to CS tho 2021-09-10T19:33:53 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T19:34:10 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.124.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-10T19:35:41 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.11] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T19:38:54 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-10T19:43:52 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T20:18:45 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-10T20:35:56 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-10T20:48:10 -!- Steffanx- [sid97872@id-97872.highgate.irccloud.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-10T20:48:15 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T20:50:30 -!- Steffanx- [sid97872@highgate.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T20:56:07 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has quit [Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number] 2021-09-10T21:01:21 -!- yukam [~yukam@user/yukam] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T21:05:58 < Steffanx> Art, mouseghost? 2021-09-10T21:06:09 < mouseghost> Steffanx, aerospace engineering 2021-09-10T21:06:14 < Steffanx> ah fancy 2021-09-10T21:06:39 < mouseghost> though im anxious about it a bit 2021-09-10T21:06:56 < Steffanx> Why 2021-09-10T21:07:04 < mouseghost> what if i dont get admitted? 2021-09-10T21:07:10 < mouseghost> what if i wont be able to pay for it? 2021-09-10T21:07:14 < mouseghost> what if ill fail? 2021-09-10T21:07:20 < Steffanx> 1. find sometihng else. 2021-09-10T21:07:28 < Steffanx> 2. idk 2021-09-10T21:07:33 < Steffanx> 3. then at least you tried 2021-09-10T21:07:50 < Steffanx> Where will you study? 2021-09-10T21:07:53 < Steffanx> or want to 2021-09-10T21:07:57 < mouseghost> i want to go to tu delft, Steffanx 2021-09-10T21:08:50 < Steffanx> sometimes you can get some studying abroad scholarship 2021-09-10T21:09:03 < mouseghost> ye sometimes 2021-09-10T21:09:09 < mouseghost> though tbh im not sure how this works etc 2021-09-10T21:09:26 < Steffanx> and you can live with mawk. He will finally kick out his ex-gf 2021-09-10T21:09:45 < mouseghost> mawk, what city are you in? 2021-09-10T21:09:56 < mouseghost> Steffanx, thatd have to be fun! :D 2021-09-10T21:10:03 < mouseghost> i wonder how mawk looks 2021-09-10T21:10:45 < Steffanx> French 2021-09-10T21:11:22 < mouseghost> french the city? 2021-09-10T21:11:23 < mouseghost> wheres that 2021-09-10T21:11:29 < Steffanx> no, he looks french 2021-09-10T21:11:52 < mouseghost> ah 2021-09-10T21:12:01 < mouseghost> french kiss? french love? 2021-09-10T21:12:05 < Steffanx> Real baguette croissant 2021-09-10T21:13:00 < mouseghost> penis descriptors lol 2021-09-10T21:13:08 < Steffanx> Just contact the TU Delft and ask when they can do for you. And there must be some people in poland to help you. 2021-09-10T21:13:30 < mouseghost> do you think theyd answer me? 2021-09-10T21:13:38 < mouseghost> i could ask for how the admit people... 2021-09-10T21:14:02 < Steffanx> Just be aware housing in dutchland isnt cheap. And finding one is hard as well. 2021-09-10T21:14:13 < Steffanx> But maybe the TU delft does help you with that 2021-09-10T21:14:59 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: btw, the German universities have plenty of English programs and they teach for free. 2021-09-10T21:15:27 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, yeah, but im not sure how much of them allow me to study without any kind of german language cert 2021-09-10T21:15:39 < Steffanx> if the course is in english, why not 2021-09-10T21:15:44 < Steffanx> courses are 2021-09-10T21:16:22 < Steffanx> And just ask mouseghost. 2021-09-10T21:18:18 < Steffanx> lol mouseghost. i was going to ask someone who i thought studied there, but all he says is: Dont go to TU Delft, they suck. Toxic enviornment, you really dont want to go there. 2021-09-10T21:18:45 < Steffanx> "They should nuke them out of orbit". 2021-09-10T21:21:04 < mouseghost> :_: 2021-09-10T21:21:36 < mouseghost> Steffanx, i think on TUM theres english course but they still require german c1 2021-09-10T21:21:49 < Steffanx> So go learn some german 2021-09-10T21:21:49 < mouseghost> on the basis that they can do some things in german 2021-09-10T21:21:55 < mouseghost> german is hard tho 2021-09-10T21:22:03 < mouseghost> no way im going to go to c1 in a few months 2021-09-10T21:22:34 < Steffanx> ich bin Mausgeist. ich bin 18 Jahre alt. 2021-09-10T21:22:39 < Steffanx> done. 2021-09-10T21:22:51 < mouseghost> :W: 2021-09-10T21:23:01 < mouseghost> fast 18 2021-09-10T21:25:34 < mouseghost> Steffanx, what does he mean "toxic" 2021-09-10T21:25:57 < PaulFertser> Gloomy people are trying hard to upset you by sharing pessimism. 2021-09-10T21:26:04 < PaulFertser> Imagine russia. That. 2021-09-10T21:26:09 < Steffanx> Anyway, ask mawk. He must know some people that studied there. 2021-09-10T21:27:17 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, maybe at least they wont ignore me like people at my current school, at least? 2021-09-10T21:27:20 < mouseghost> mawk, tell me about tu delft 2021-09-10T21:28:03 < Steffanx> Youre not calling me "gloomy" are you mr PaulFertser? 2021-09-10T21:28:42 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: being bright might be challenging at any institution; guess you need to grow some skin and to find a place with at least some amount of people who share your passion, even if they are few. 2021-09-10T21:28:48 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: are you russian? 2021-09-10T21:28:58 < mouseghost> yeah i thought so 2021-09-10T21:29:10 < mouseghost> also i bet the faculty is focused on doing rankings or something as well? 2021-09-10T21:29:14 < Steffanx> Da da, cyka blyat. pizda. Am i now? 2021-09-10T21:29:15 < mouseghost> or is this only a high school thing? 2021-09-10T21:29:25 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: ok, you confirmed gloomy 2021-09-10T21:30:02 < Steffanx> How often in your life have you used those words, PaulFertser? 2021-09-10T21:30:37 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: few times a week on average 2021-09-10T21:30:42 < Steffanx> lol 2021-09-10T21:30:43 < Steffanx> i knew it. 2021-09-10T21:31:04 < Steffanx> Youre a russian after all 2021-09-10T21:31:19 < mouseghost> paul fernster 2021-09-10T21:31:56 < mouseghost> maybe your friend is thin skinned homosexual 2021-09-10T21:33:14 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: want to see my friend? He's not homosexual though to the best of my knowledge, wife and two children. 2021-09-10T21:33:24 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, sure 2021-09-10T21:34:27 < PaulFertser> https://yewtu.be/channel/UC9-XgavTlcAfajtWZCbncNA 2021-09-10T21:34:43 < Steffanx> not even jewtu.be 2021-09-10T21:34:50 < PaulFertser> Tune your gay radars gentlemen 2021-09-10T21:35:09 < mouseghost> so he reviewing russian trucks? 2021-09-10T21:35:23 < Steffanx> oh jewtu.be is russian for sure. 2021-09-10T21:36:50 < Steffanx> serious yewtuber, PaulFertser 2021-09-10T21:37:05 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: it's just an invidious instance, same youtube content 2021-09-10T21:37:37 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: he's mostly blogging about his stupid uaz and some aftermarket parts he designs and sells for it. 2021-09-10T21:40:57 < mouseghost> ah 2021-09-10T21:43:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T21:44:47 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: btw, that sounded like you're kinda attacking me, why? 2021-09-10T21:45:02 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, where? 2021-09-10T21:45:11 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: asking about my friend 2021-09-10T21:45:27 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, ah i meant Steffanx's friend 2021-09-10T21:45:41 < mouseghost> jokingly 2021-09-10T21:45:50 < mouseghost> due to the mention of that toxic env. 2021-09-10T21:46:10 < mouseghost> i have autistic time recently 2021-09-10T21:46:15 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: ah, I get it now. Good thing I'm not easily offended especially on IRC. 2021-09-10T21:46:23 < mouseghost> good :P 2021-09-10T21:46:41 < mouseghost> https://youtu.be/xrYL07hPw4w 2021-09-10T21:47:22 < mouseghost> whereas, im easily intimidated 2021-09-10T21:47:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T21:51:16 < englishman> mouseghost: I didn’t go to university until I had worked a bit and travelled enough that I was serious enough to actually make an effort at it. Going to school at 18 just would not have worked for me. I’m glad I waited. It’s not like I wasted my time working at Burger King and doing drugs though. You can always consider taking a year sabbatical and coming back to school a year later lemon 2021-09-10T21:51:16 < englishman> fresh and newly motivated. 2021-09-10T21:51:55 < mouseghost> i knooow 2021-09-10T21:52:10 < mouseghost> but im kinda scared that i will lose that motivation totally 2021-09-10T21:52:26 < englishman> then maybe you never had it. 2021-09-10T21:52:26 < Steffanx> Just go work full time and you will want to go to uni :P 2021-09-10T21:52:31 < mouseghost> i mean, rn i dont really have any motivation... 2021-09-10T21:52:36 < mouseghost> pf :D 2021-09-10T21:53:05 < englishman> or start some dumb buttcoin and steal peoples money then buy a cruise ship. 2021-09-10T21:53:08 < Steffanx> Time to talk to some expert then mouseghost? 2021-09-10T21:53:09 < mouseghost> well, its not totally bad idea, considering that i can also make some money to pay for the shit 2021-09-10T21:53:16 < mouseghost> expert? Steffanx 2021-09-10T21:53:30 < mouseghost> i mean, i am taking meds and it really helps imo 2021-09-10T21:54:09 < Steffanx> ah you already do that 2021-09-10T21:54:16 < mouseghost> yep 2021-09-10T21:54:29 < mouseghost> ive had a really bad period a year ago or so 2021-09-10T21:54:41 < mouseghost> and that made me go there 2021-09-10T21:55:48 < Steffanx> I dont think IRC is a great antidepressant :P 2021-09-10T21:57:04 < mouseghost> it actually isnt that bad; but i didnt mean that 2021-09-10T21:57:10 < mouseghost> im on irc for quite some time now :V 2021-09-10T21:57:18 < mouseghost> a few years.. 2021-09-10T21:57:38 < mouseghost> Steffanx, i havent been banned on irc, people dont tell me to go fuck myself, people are nice etc 2021-09-10T21:57:47 < mouseghost> same goes for like 8ch or something 2021-09-10T21:58:01 < mouseghost> places obscure enough for people with friends not to bother with 2021-09-10T21:58:34 < mouseghost> because like, on furry telegram groups, there are groups of friends already (and that beats the point imo, but here its virtually inexistent) 2021-09-10T21:58:43 < mouseghost> im not sure if that makes sense 2021-09-10T21:59:12 < Steffanx> ##stm32 telegram is best. 2021-09-10T21:59:31 < mouseghost> yeah well im banned there actually i think 2021-09-10T21:59:32 < Steffanx> oh, its ##gd32 now 2021-09-10T21:59:35 < Steffanx> lol really 2021-09-10T21:59:44 < mouseghost> whats the handle to there? 2021-09-10T21:59:51 < mouseghost> or like, can u give me an invite? i bet im banned lol 2021-09-10T22:00:44 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: taking some SSRI? 2021-09-10T22:00:49 < mouseghost> yep 2021-09-10T22:00:57 < mouseghost> and actually antischizo too 2021-09-10T22:01:32 < PaulFertser> I wonder if I should start too, but that would mean no alcohol at all, so no beer even once a month. 2021-09-10T22:01:41 < mouseghost> oh really? 2021-09-10T22:01:44 < mouseghost> i drink without problems lol 2021-09-10T22:01:50 < mouseghost> maybe it depends on the type of ssri 2021-09-10T22:01:53 < PaulFertser> "without problems" 2021-09-10T22:01:55 < mouseghost> or maybe i shouldnt.. hm 2021-09-10T22:02:02 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, what kind of problems would there be? 2021-09-10T22:02:11 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: idk, but the manual clearly says not to 2021-09-10T22:02:14 < mouseghost> whos stm32 telegram admin? 2021-09-10T22:02:19 < mouseghost> i must check mine 2021-09-10T22:03:10 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@fw-tnat-cam7.arm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-10T22:03:43 < mawk> Steffanx 2021-09-10T22:03:52 < mawk> the government sent me free antigen tests 2021-09-10T22:03:54 < mawk> 2 of them 2021-09-10T22:04:11 < mawk> which ssri mouseghost 2021-09-10T22:04:28 < mawk> I'm not aware of any deadly interaction between ssris and alcohol anyway 2021-09-10T22:04:39 < mawk> ssri and ecstasy/amphetamine is much more dangerous 2021-09-10T22:04:39 < mouseghost> "You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with sertraline. Alcohol can increase the nervous system side effects of sertraline such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment." 2021-09-10T22:04:43 < mouseghost> eh idk normal alcohol for me 2021-09-10T22:04:45 < PaulFertser> Deadly no. 2021-09-10T22:04:47 < mouseghost> mawk, sertraline 2021-09-10T22:04:57 < mawk> yeah that's just regular bs they say 2021-09-10T22:05:00 < mawk> there's no real interaction 2021-09-10T22:05:09 < mouseghost> yeha i havent noticed anything 2021-09-10T22:05:22 < mawk> alcohol and anti-anxiety is deadly too 2021-09-10T22:05:29 < mawk> like xanax/valium/etc 2021-09-10T22:05:52 < mawk> ssri is still kinda shitty though 2021-09-10T22:05:57 < mouseghost> xanax is amphetamine, isnt it 2021-09-10T22:06:00 < mawk> like shift in personality, suicide ideation 2021-09-10T22:06:02 < mawk> no it's not 2021-09-10T22:06:05 < mouseghost> hm 2021-09-10T22:06:07 < mawk> xanax is like alcohol 2021-09-10T22:06:09 < mawk> it's a downer 2021-09-10T22:06:14 < mouseghost> i mean, it isnt a panaceum 2021-09-10T22:06:16 < mouseghost> but works for me 2021-09-10T22:06:17 < mawk> so downer + downer = death 2021-09-10T22:06:25 < mouseghost> though granted, i take it with another med 2021-09-10T22:06:35 < mawk> the issue about the ssri side effect is that they're permanent 2021-09-10T22:06:42 < mawk> people that are fucked up stay like that for life 2021-09-10T22:06:50 < mouseghost> hm 2021-09-10T22:07:17 < mouseghost> i mean, what else would there be... 2021-09-10T22:07:25 < mouseghost> also, beats suicide, doesnt it... 2021-09-10T22:07:31 < mawk> temporary side effect 2021-09-10T22:07:36 < mawk> that stops when you stop the med 2021-09-10T22:07:49 < mawk> that's what else it could be; but not the case here for the personality shift 2021-09-10T22:07:54 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-10T22:07:59 < mouseghost> what kind of personality shift tho 2021-09-10T22:08:15 < mawk> people become short-tempered, violent, reckless, hypomaniac, etc 2021-09-10T22:08:24 < mouseghost> ah 2021-09-10T22:08:26 < mawk> there are plenty articles about that online if you look, especially about prozac 2021-09-10T22:08:40 < mouseghost> ah prozac is that shitty one 2021-09-10T22:08:48 < mouseghost> i had fluoxetine for a moment 2021-09-10T22:08:50 < mouseghost> but it was shitty 2021-09-10T22:08:50 < mawk> also suicide ideation doesn't really beat suicide lol 2021-09-10T22:08:54 < mawk> it ends in suicide 2021-09-10T22:08:55 < mouseghost> huff 2021-09-10T22:09:02 < mouseghost> fuck depression mkay 2021-09-10T22:09:03 < mawk> and it's not like "I'm sad I want to die" 2021-09-10T22:09:26 < mouseghost> then like what is it mawk 2021-09-10T22:09:27 < mawk> it's like your brain is so fucked that you're having irresistible need to kill yourself and you don't know why, and you just do it 2021-09-10T22:09:34 < mouseghost> ah 2021-09-10T22:09:40 < mouseghost> fun 2021-09-10T22:09:44 < mouseghost> had thoughts like that i think 2021-09-10T22:09:46 < mawk> that's the kind of side effect of fluoxetine on some people 2021-09-10T22:10:03 < mouseghost> well thats why im on sertraline 2021-09-10T22:10:28 < mouseghost> and also have another pill 2021-09-10T22:10:32 < mouseghost> that makes me more happier 2021-09-10T22:10:34 < mawk> which one 2021-09-10T22:10:41 < mouseghost> amisulphride 2021-09-10T22:10:42 < mawk> why do you take sertraline at all then 2021-09-10T22:10:45 < mawk> if it doesn't make you happy 2021-09-10T22:10:49 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-10T22:10:51 < mouseghost> good question 2021-09-10T22:10:56 < mouseghost> i guess it does help a bit 2021-09-10T22:10:57 < mouseghost> but 2021-09-10T22:11:22 < mawk> I take methadone every day for a good reason; when I don't take it I'm horribly sick and I would do anything in my power to start taking it again 2021-09-10T22:11:33 < mouseghost> are you addicted 2021-09-10T22:11:43 < mawk> it's not like I can forget it one day, if I forget to take it I will start to become very sick and remember that I have to take ir 2021-09-10T22:12:14 < mawk> well not really, in a sense sure since I can't stop without heavy side effects 2021-09-10T22:12:22 < mawk> but also it doesn't do anything when you take it 2021-09-10T22:12:26 < mouseghost> why you taking it in the first place? 2021-09-10T22:12:28 < mawk> it's only when you don't take it that it does something 2021-09-10T22:12:34 < mawk> to stop taking heroin 2021-09-10T22:12:40 < mawk> 7 years ago 2021-09-10T22:12:57 < mouseghost> oh 2021-09-10T22:13:01 < mawk> it replaces heroin so you don't feel withdrawal, and at the same time it doesn't get you high 2021-09-10T22:13:09 < mawk> so you just keep taking it everyday and forget about it 2021-09-10T22:13:56 < mouseghost> yeah i see 2021-09-10T22:14:10 < mouseghost> though cant you try to withdraw the methadone as well? 2021-09-10T22:14:45 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:84db:99e8:1b2d:54e] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T22:14:53 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-10T22:15:01 < mouseghost> mawk, while u were gone. so what city u in; and any of ur friends went to tu delft? 2021-09-10T22:15:12 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T22:15:17 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-10T22:19:58 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T22:23:47 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@cpc92794-cmbg19-2-0-cust589.5-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T22:27:22 < Steffanx> Mawk, mouseghost wants to live with you. 2021-09-10T22:36:49 < mawk> the answer is in the question mouseghost 2021-09-10T22:36:51 < mawk> mouseghost: why would I try to withdraw the methadone? 2021-09-10T22:36:53 < mawk> much easier to continue like this 2021-09-10T22:38:57 < Steffanx> Until you forget again and have to buy heroin 2021-09-10T22:41:29 < mawk> :( 2021-09-10T22:51:19 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T22:56:47 < mouseghost> :_: 2021-09-10T22:56:57 < mawk> what 2021-09-10T22:57:00 < mouseghost> Steffanx, now im kinda scared of mawk 2021-09-10T22:57:03 < mawk> :( 2021-09-10T22:57:04 < mawk> why 2021-09-10T22:57:05 < mouseghost> mawk, where do you work 2021-09-10T22:57:08 < mawk> I'm harmless 2021-09-10T22:57:11 < mouseghost> in it? 2021-09-10T22:57:14 < mawk> in the same city I live in 2021-09-10T22:57:24 < mouseghost> yes but heroin mentions make me thing of druggies 2021-09-10T22:57:40 < kakium69> he is druggie 2021-09-10T22:57:50 < kakium69> ex- 2021-09-10T22:57:56 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-10T22:58:01 < kakium69> publicly 2021-09-10T22:58:38 < mawk> heroin is just candy for grown men mouseghost 2021-09-10T22:58:41 < mawk> nothing to be afraid about 2021-09-10T22:58:55 < mouseghost> mawk, are you handsome 2021-09-10T22:58:59 < mawk> yes 2021-09-10T22:59:03 < mouseghost> mawk, do you work in it? 2021-09-10T22:59:09 < mawk> in what 2021-09-10T22:59:20 < mawk> you mean IT? 2021-09-10T22:59:31 < mawk> why else would I be on ##stm32 stm32ing all day 2021-09-10T23:00:11 < kakium69> mouseghost: he works for uni or something 2021-09-10T23:00:15 < mawk> nooo 2021-09-10T23:00:22 < mawk> I work in a sensors company 2021-09-10T23:00:24 < PaulFertser> You were here when you were pretending to be a PHP developer at work. 2021-09-10T23:00:26 < mawk> doing sensors 2021-09-10T23:00:33 < mawk> PaulFertser :( 2021-09-10T23:00:43 < mouseghost> mawk, what kind of sensorsss 2021-09-10T23:00:44 < mawk> I was pretending to not know PHP, and then they found out anyway 2021-09-10T23:00:50 < mawk> so during a few months I had to do PHP until they hired someone to do it 2021-09-10T23:00:58 < mawk> like radar or ultrasonic or stuff like that mouseghost 2021-09-10T23:00:58 < PaulFertser> So probably one doesn't really need to work in IT to be here. 2021-09-10T23:01:02 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-10T23:01:04 < mawk> lol 2021-09-10T23:01:06 < mouseghost> so you program there? 2021-09-10T23:01:11 < mawk> yes 2021-09-10T23:01:17 < PaulFertser> mawk: I'm glad to hear they no longer torture you with that shit 2021-09-10T23:01:17 < mawk> and I tweak hardware sometimes 2021-09-10T23:01:20 < mouseghost> ok so do you make a lot of money? 2021-09-10T23:01:25 < mawk> lol PaulFertser 2021-09-10T23:01:30 < mawk> you already know how much I make mouseghost 2021-09-10T23:01:38 < mawk> also it's not a lot, my rent is 1050€ 2021-09-10T23:02:55 < kakium69> fukin rent 2021-09-10T23:03:44 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-10T23:03:47 < mouseghost> little money 2021-09-10T23:04:46 < kakium69> fukin salary 2021-09-10T23:05:09 < kakium69> indeed rent is not that much but neither is salary 2021-09-10T23:08:11 < kakium69> have you considered buying an appartment mawk? 2021-09-10T23:08:53 < kakium69> are those expensives / bubbling in your city? 2021-09-10T23:09:59 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.191.227.147] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T23:11:15 < Steffanx> houses are expensinve in entire dutchland kakium69 2021-09-10T23:12:38 < Steffanx> its crazy 2021-09-10T23:12:59 < kakium69> is it the land that is expensives? 2021-09-10T23:13:08 < Steffanx> the people with money buy them 2021-09-10T23:13:14 < kakium69> ah 2021-09-10T23:13:14 < Steffanx> to rent them out.. for BIG MONEY 2021-09-10T23:13:40 < kakium69> welcome to world of low rates 2021-09-10T23:13:55 < Steffanx> For 1k/month you can get a wonderful nice mortgage for a even more wonderful house. 2021-09-10T23:14:21 < kakium69> that's pretty basic? 2021-09-10T23:14:30 < Steffanx> more than bsic 2021-09-10T23:14:31 < Steffanx> basic 2021-09-10T23:15:51 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.191.227.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-10T23:20:21 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.191.227.147] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-10T23:21:08 < kakium69> I wonder if boomer is behind the bubbling markets 2021-09-10T23:21:14 < kakium69> the boomer* 2021-09-10T23:21:18 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: https://aliexpress.com/item/32639023490.html $1 per chip 2021-09-10T23:21:19 < Steffanx> Partially 2021-09-10T23:22:30 < kakium69> but hey 2021-09-10T23:22:41 < kakium69> it cannot be worse than in china 2021-09-10T23:23:23 < kakium69> average salary for people working in city is like 1400eur/usd or so 2021-09-10T23:23:48 < kakium69> average appartment is like 1million 2021-09-10T23:24:48 < kakium69> until it's demo'ed to build even more expensive appartment complex 2021-09-10T23:28:53 < mouseghost> 1400eur/month? kakium69 2021-09-10T23:30:39 < kakium69> something like that 2021-09-10T23:30:42 < kakium69> in the city 2021-09-10T23:30:47 < kakium69> big city 2021-09-10T23:33:16 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-10T23:35:50 < kakium69> it sounds rather good average 2021-09-10T23:36:13 < kakium69> until you need to buy an appartment 2021-09-10T23:46:35 < kakium69> and you absolutelly need to because your work permit, schools, medical care everything is tied to the fact you have an appartment 2021-09-10T23:46:50 < kakium69> that you own 2021-09-10T23:50:45 < kakium69> that is to control migration inside the country --- Day changed Sat Sep 11 2021 2021-09-11T00:13:55 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T00:17:50 < mouseghost> goodnight 2021-09-11T00:20:14 < kakium69> nite 2021-09-11T00:23:06 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-11T00:29:46 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Can I endorse your irc skills? 2021-09-11T12:02:54 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I can't remember if I mentioned that 2021-09-11T12:03:34 < Steffanx> Lol your photo.. sleeping 2021-09-11T12:06:46 < PaulFertser> Job attraction 2021-09-11T12:13:23 < ehsanecc> PaulFertser: yeay, accept it when you ready :D 2021-09-11T12:14:17 < ehsanecc> PaulFertser: no, not yet 2021-09-11T12:15:37 < PaulFertser> ehsanecc: that SPI chip is using a protocol sometimes called "m25p80", I think many stm32 libraries to handle it exist. 2021-09-11T12:17:10 < PaulFertser> Such as https://github.com/nimaltd/w25qxx etc 2021-09-11T12:18:00 < PaulFertser> Guess this is better https://github.com/PaulStoffregen/SerialFlash 2021-09-11T12:19:44 < ehsanecc> PaulFertser: You think is this possible to desolder microsd jack and make an exact size pcb to and a serial flash on it to replace? 2021-09-11T12:20:17 < jpa-> sure 2021-09-11T12:21:01 < ehsanecc> :)) i think i said it bad but you get what i'm saying :D 2021-09-11T12:23:34 < PaulFertser> You can make a PCB with castellated holes for easy soldering to the uSD holder footprint. 2021-09-11T12:27:59 < Steffanx> Or https://hackaday.io/project/168177-micro-sd-card-to-spi-flash-adapter 2021-09-11T12:28:49 < PaulFertser> "When playing with microSD, you want use SPI flash in your design and you have uSD connector" 2021-09-11T12:29:14 < jpa-> yeah, one could probably just get a bunch of those assembled and if needed, add some glue to really secure it to the holder 2021-09-11T12:29:39 < Steffanx> Wouldnt be surprised if china has em 2021-09-11T12:30:10 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-11T12:32:52 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.82.210] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T12:36:43 < ehsanecc> thanks guys, you are awesome! 2021-09-11T12:37:43 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-11T12:45:01 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.82.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T12:47:12 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.187] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T12:49:34 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T12:54:50 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-11T12:55:48 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T13:05:06 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-11T13:05:49 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T13:06:03 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.156] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T13:11:07 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T13:25:02 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T13:29:12 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-11T13:33:21 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T13:35:24 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.124.21] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T13:39:41 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T13:42:11 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T13:47:22 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T14:06:31 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T14:12:18 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-11T14:16:32 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T14:19:02 < mouseghost> hi 2021-09-11T14:21:25 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-11T14:29:27 < Steffanx> Lo 2021-09-11T14:47:26 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T14:57:34 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.124.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-11T15:09:17 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T15:12:08 < mawk> the next GD32V: https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/09/10/mikron-mik32-made-in-russia-32-bit-risc-v-mcu-stm32l0-mcu/ 2021-09-11T15:12:10 < mawk> made by the cousins of PaulFertser 2021-09-11T15:14:22 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T15:18:37 < ehsanecc> why rgb565 which takes 16bits and 2 bytes per pixel in a bmp file need 3 bytes ??!? 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2021-09-11T17:44:00 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T17:48:50 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-11T18:00:45 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T18:03:19 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.124.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-11T18:05:26 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.113] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T18:05:28 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T18:12:43 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T18:14:50 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.215] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T18:25:02 < Steffanx> nevermind 2021-09-11T18:31:17 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T18:34:42 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T18:39:37 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-11T18:47:02 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T18:48:00 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.122] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T18:49:51 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T18:55:21 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T18:59:58 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-11T19:05:24 < englishman> yes hello MBA student here 2021-09-11T19:05:34 < englishman> writing a paper on diversity in the workplace on saturday morning 2021-09-11T19:05:38 < englishman> A+ student here yes 2021-09-11T19:06:09 < englishman> is everyone having fun trying to find non-existant stm32 2021-09-11T19:06:22 < englishman> maybe you just need to be more diverse 2021-09-11T19:06:42 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-11T19:07:43 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.187] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T19:21:31 < mawk> so did you like my new gd32v? 2021-09-11T19:21:34 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-11T19:21:34 < mawk> who was playing with that 2021-09-11T19:21:43 < mawk> zyp: 2021-09-11T19:21:43 < mawk> maybe 2021-09-11T19:22:20 < mawk> https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/09/10/mikron-mik32-made-in-russia-32-bit-risc-v-mcu-stm32l0-mcu/ 2021-09-11T19:22:36 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T19:22:37 < Steffanx> I hope your joking about the subject englishman 2021-09-11T19:23:06 < bitmask> an englishman would never joke about such things 2021-09-11T19:24:33 < englishman> no stefs 2021-09-11T19:24:47 < englishman> diversity in the workplace is important 2021-09-11T19:25:00 < englishman> read this article and give me 7 reasons why you would be motivated to diversify your workforce 2021-09-11T19:29:01 < mawk> wikipedia article about a french city: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochefourchat 2021-09-11T19:29:05 < mawk> article has 483098430 sections and ton of info 2021-09-11T19:29:08 < mawk> population: 1 inhabitant 2021-09-11T19:29:15 < Steffanx> Ok englishman 2021-09-11T19:29:40 < Steffanx> In short: dont care :) 2021-09-11T19:30:57 < englishman> agree 2021-09-11T19:33:12 < jpa-> englishman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge and look how much text about this pile of rocks with 0 inhabitants! 2021-09-11T19:34:03 < englishman> i was going to link the page of Oradour-sur-Glane which is shorter and has 0 inhabitants but it turns out people did eventually move back there 2021-09-11T19:41:10 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.99.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T19:42:05 < mawk> yeah but nothing every happened in rochefourchat 2021-09-11T19:42:19 < mawk> except that Marine Le Pen got the majority of votes in 2018 election 2021-09-11T19:42:20 < karlp> Steffanx: https://github.com/karlp/hubbish 2021-09-11T19:42:32 < karlp> but haven't finished rev2 layout. 2021-09-11T19:48:07 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T19:48:53 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.11] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T19:53:15 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T20:22:03 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T20:22:26 < BrainDamage> karlp: missed a chance to call it hubris 2021-09-11T20:22:27 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T20:27:05 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T20:35:54 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-11T20:44:47 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T20:51:44 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.93.98.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T20:53:54 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.115] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T20:53:59 < Steffanx> Yeah, I found it already, also usb 2.0 2021-09-11T20:54:05 < Steffanx> @ mr karlp 2021-09-11T20:58:55 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@183.94.153.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-11T20:59:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T21:14:08 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T21:14:54 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@93-87-97-127.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T21:15:12 < catphish> if i want to play with canbus, do i want an off the shelf USB thingemy, or start building my own board and programming an stm32? 2021-09-11T21:16:18 < catphish> all i know so far is i want to make cars do stuff, and find out what they're doing 2021-09-11T21:17:14 < catphish> (EV inverters, dashboard clusters, etc) 2021-09-11T21:18:04 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T21:18:19 < catphish> even better, an stm32 dev board with canbus PHY? 2021-09-11T21:19:22 < PaulFertser> catphish: there're plenty of "elm32" usb thingies but they're all different clones unfortunately. 2021-09-11T21:19:28 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T21:20:46 < catphish> i actually have a genuine elm32 OBD2 interface 2021-09-11T21:21:31 < catphish> that might help, i guess i'll have to give some thought to how to wire things up, and look at how its USB protocol works 2021-09-11T21:21:43 < catphish> i forgot i owned that! 2021-09-11T21:24:16 < catphish> it's an ELM327 with a OBD2 plug, looks that can do all kinda of protocols! 2021-09-11T21:24:20 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-11T21:25:12 < PaulFertser> catphish: its protocol is similar to AT commands for dial-up modems. Quite a shitty protocol. 2021-09-11T21:25:38 < PaulFertser> Original elm32 supports not only CAN but also K-line which can be useful. 2021-09-11T21:26:07 < catphish> i *hope* i'll only need CAN, but will have to see what components i want to talk to 2021-09-11T21:30:21 < catphish> this thing doesn't power up from USB, that makes it harder to play with 2021-09-11T21:32:42 < catphish> i forgot i'll have wiring loom hell as soon as i start playing with car electronics 2021-09-11T21:33:53 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T21:36:00 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T21:40:37 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-11T21:48:20 < zyp> mawk, yes 2021-09-11T21:52:15 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T21:53:18 < catphish> looks like it's also fairly simple to conctruct my own PHY if i want to dev on stm32 2021-09-11T21:54:09 < mawk> is it necessary? 2021-09-11T21:54:16 < mawk> I thought some chips could do without 2021-09-11T21:54:29 < mawk> but I don't know much about CANister 2021-09-11T21:55:07 < zyp> can transceivers are off the shelf parts, typically so8 2021-09-11T21:55:22 < mawk> I mean some stm32 chips, like they have it builtin 2021-09-11T21:55:46 < zyp> the controller? yes 2021-09-11T21:55:59 < zyp> most of them do, except lowend parts 2021-09-11T21:56:00 < mawk> but not the transceiver? 2021-09-11T21:56:07 < zyp> no 2021-09-11T21:56:09 < mawk> a 2021-09-11T21:56:12 < mawk> so like ethernet 2021-09-11T21:56:24 < zyp> well, more like rs485 2021-09-11T21:56:35 < mawk> because it's funny voltages? 2021-09-11T21:56:38 < zyp> physically can is pretty similar to rs485 2021-09-11T21:56:58 < mawk> a 2021-09-11T21:56:59 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-11T21:57:34 < zyp> you could probably run rs485 on can transceivers if you wanted to 2021-09-11T21:57:51 < zyp> the other way around would be less successful 2021-09-11T21:58:15 < mawk> liek smbus and i2c 2021-09-11T22:00:58 < PaulFertser> mawk: can is interesting l1-wise, I suggest you read about it. Multi-master muilt-in arbitration with priorities. 2021-09-11T22:01:26 < PaulFertser> Way more fancy than rs485. 2021-09-11T22:01:28 < mawk> ah nice 2021-09-11T22:01:33 < mawk> and fancier than i2c also I guess 2021-09-11T22:01:39 < PaulFertser> Yes 2021-09-11T22:01:47 < catphish> i assumed an external PHY was necessary for the voltage, like rs232 etc 2021-09-11T22:01:53 < mawk> yes 2021-09-11T22:02:06 < PaulFertser> catphish: there's no reason not to use a ready-made CAN PHY 2021-09-11T22:02:29 < catphish> PaulFertser: i was thinking just a stm32 and a phy chip 2021-09-11T22:02:53 < PaulFertser> catphish: right, that's what I imply 2021-09-11T22:03:15 < catphish> cool, i found this, looks like all i need https://www.dailyduino.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/sche.png 2021-09-11T22:04:00 < catphish> probably easiest just to get a nucleo and hand build an addon with that chip 2021-09-11T22:14:42 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-11T22:14:42 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-11T22:16:22 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-11T22:19:46 -!- rajkosto [~rajkosto@93-87-97-127.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-11T22:24:43 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-11T22:26:35 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. 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I wanted to know if furries are more tolerant to inappropriate shit. 2021-09-12T14:48:13 < Steffanx> ah 2021-09-12T14:48:29 < Steffanx> stm32 is inappropriate? :O 2021-09-12T14:48:41 < PaulFertser> For a furry channel? I'd guess so. 2021-09-12T14:49:08 < mouseghost> yeah thats offtopic and nobody wants to listen to boring computer thing 2021-09-12T14:50:24 < Steffanx> does mouseghost consider himself "furry"? 2021-09-12T14:50:39 < mouseghost> yes mr Steffanx 2021-09-12T14:50:45 < Steffanx> oh dear 2021-09-12T14:50:48 < mouseghost> i, however, do not like hairy men 2021-09-12T14:52:11 < mouseghost> any of you know dijkstra algo.? 2021-09-12T14:52:17 < PaulFertser> Furries meet bears 2021-09-12T14:54:01 < PaulFertser> Both turn away in disgust 2021-09-12T14:55:21 < mouseghost> hm 2021-09-12T14:55:51 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: the one for finding shortest path in a graph? Wikipedia article looks sane, what are you missing there? 2021-09-12T14:55:58 < mouseghost> yeah 2021-09-12T14:56:14 < mouseghost> the thing is a bit confusing hm 2021-09-12T14:56:20 < mouseghost> but maybe ill form a better question 2021-09-12T14:56:28 < mouseghost> i actually refer to the original paper by him 2021-09-12T14:58:33 < mouseghost> ah, now i answered my own question 2021-09-12T14:58:58 < mouseghost> cause im trying to rephrase the algo a bit, so its easier to understand (im writing a popsci article), but i got kinda confused for a second. and im scared of making a mistake 2021-09-12T14:59:03 < PaulFertser> Steffanx, please unban mouseghost . Only a really cool fellow can be bothered to read original CS papers. 2021-09-12T14:59:13 < mouseghost> im there already meow PaulFertser 2021-09-12T14:59:33 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: ah, cool. I'm not as I do not use telegram shit. 2021-09-12T14:59:39 < mouseghost> i see 2021-09-12T15:00:13 < mouseghost> well, i must say that he certainly wasnt blessed with the ability to explain things clearly 2021-09-12T15:00:26 < mouseghost> (im not better) 2021-09-12T15:00:31 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: will you share the draft to the popsci article here for peer review? 2021-09-12T15:00:43 < mouseghost> its in polish, unfortunately :( 2021-09-12T15:01:00 < mouseghost> but sure, i can share 2021-09-12T15:01:25 < mouseghost> im just rewriting things rn 2021-09-12T15:03:10 < mouseghost> i can certainly tell you if it gets (if) published :D 2021-09-12T15:03:46 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-12T15:18:50 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-12T15:21:16 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T15:34:44 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, do you mean that normal people dont read original papers? 2021-09-12T15:43:40 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: afaict, yes 2021-09-12T15:43:48 < mouseghost> hm 2021-09-12T15:46:07 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: I was teaching in a local moscow university, not a top one, but it was ok. And many students weren't ever really reading anything at all. Imagine they open a text book and instead of understanding the material they're trying to find some example or ready-made formula or something like that, and try to apply that to their problem. 2021-09-12T15:46:27 < mouseghost> X_X 2021-09-12T15:46:35 < mouseghost> i mean, this is one approach, isnt it... 2021-09-12T15:46:55 < mouseghost> btw, PaulFertser, so are you still in moscow? 2021-09-12T15:47:42 < PaulFertser> What's even worse is that they do not even realise they're not understanding anything. So when reading they can't stop and go back to reread because they have no clue they stopped understanding and thus must go back. 2021-09-12T15:47:53 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: I still am 2021-09-12T15:48:33 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, i am very much into exchanging postcards. and i was wondering, would you be up for an exchange? 2021-09-12T15:48:42 < Steffanx> hehe 2021-09-12T15:49:09 < Steffanx> mouseghost is into this website much? Postcrossing or something? 2021-09-12T15:49:17 < mouseghost> though it would be beneficial to get a postcard outside of russia once lol 2021-09-12T15:49:29 < mouseghost> oh i didnt know there was a website for that lol 2021-09-12T15:49:45 < Steffanx> Yeah, my mom does it sometimes. She gets card from all over the world. 2021-09-12T15:50:05 < mouseghost> yeah its an awesome thing to exchange things like that with people from everywhere 2021-09-12T15:50:18 < mouseghost> i recently got iranian post stamps from 1992 o; 2021-09-12T15:51:11 < Steffanx> https://www.postcrossing.com/stats/topusers/alltime damn ... almost 33k postcard sent 2021-09-12T15:51:17 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, i wish i could say something re understanding, but i cant say much hm. certainly a depressing view on the world, since they are the ones who will go out into the world, arent they. 2021-09-12T15:51:28 < mouseghost> Steffanx, must be some richman 2021-09-12T15:51:42 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: sure, let's exchange some postcards, but without the silly websites. 2021-09-12T15:52:00 < mouseghost> sure! obviously without them 2021-09-12T15:52:11 < mouseghost> Steffanx, thats like 50k eur with current prices here 2021-09-12T15:52:11 < Steffanx> PaulFertser will send you some ascii art. \o/ 2021-09-12T15:52:15 < mouseghost> OOO: 2021-09-12T15:52:52 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: my personal impression is that most people even those considered professionals are quite shallow. I might be wrong. 2021-09-12T15:53:01 < PaulFertser> I'm not into art unfortunately 2021-09-12T15:53:28 < Steffanx> Just get some paint, spray it on a card, call it art. 2021-09-12T15:53:43 < Steffanx> "My chaotic brain" 2021-09-12T15:53:46 < mouseghost> yeah i would imagine that with so many bright people in the world, there would be more... of something, PaulFertser 2021-09-12T16:00:43 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.190.201.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-12T16:01:22 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: btw, have you considered getting a ham license and exchanging QSLs? 2021-09-12T16:01:43 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, i have considered getting a ham license, but never really gotten to do it.. are you a ham? 2021-09-12T16:02:15 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: no, but I wanted to become one when I was a learning in school. 2021-09-12T16:02:47 < mouseghost> well, right now i do have a rather busy time, as the examinations will be carried out in may '22, so.. 2021-09-12T16:02:51 < mouseghost> i need to get ready for that 2021-09-12T16:03:09 < mouseghost> currently ive been more interested in gliding (ie these planes that dont have a wroom) 2021-09-12T16:03:16 < mouseghost> vroom 2021-09-12T16:03:21 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-12T16:03:35 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: so you're getting some proper training for that? Or do you mean RC gliders? :) 2021-09-12T16:03:56 < mouseghost> i mean the proper big ones. and ive been just thinking :D 2021-09-12T16:04:04 < mouseghost> yes, id get a training if i will decide to do it 2021-09-12T16:04:07 < mouseghost> but i need time for that as well 2021-09-12T16:04:12 < mouseghost> probably next holidays 2021-09-12T16:05:47 < PaulFertser> Discus launched RC gliders look cool 2021-09-12T16:06:27 < mouseghost> oh wow 2021-09-12T16:06:31 < mouseghost> reminds me of discgolf 2021-09-12T16:07:49 < PaulFertser> I like how they catch and relaunch them without landing 2021-09-12T16:15:08 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@195.181.31.30] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T16:20:38 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T16:37:04 < englishman> PaulFertser: it’s a legitimate tactic to use a textbook as a reference only. Especially when you are pressured for time. In school as in real life sometimes you just have to get shit done. If you have the time to invest in reading a paper, then yes you can learn that way as well. I have the time to do that now. 2021-09-12T16:39:34 < PaulFertser> englishman: it's ok to use it as a reference. But often times I saw it used as a list of "recipies", "templates". 2021-09-12T16:42:27 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-12T16:43:10 < mouseghost> do you have places which offer to write a paper for some sum of money? 2021-09-12T16:50:08 < PaulFertser> Not sure 2021-09-12T17:13:10 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-12T17:24:43 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-12T17:27:01 < mouseghost> we certainly have these 2021-09-12T17:27:02 < mouseghost> like 2021-09-12T17:27:04 < mouseghost> for thesis etc 2021-09-12T17:27:31 < mouseghost> they call them "templates" lol 2021-09-12T17:27:58 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-12T17:30:25 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T17:31:16 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: ah, you mean those people faking their course work to trick teachers? Like some dumb arse pays someone to do the homework for him or her? 2021-09-12T17:31:36 < mouseghost> yeah something like that, but also for the end of the course ;v 2021-09-12T17:31:54 < mouseghost> this is a thing ill never understand, i think.. 2021-09-12T17:31:59 < PaulFertser> We have that, yes :( 2021-09-12T17:32:43 < mawk> send me "postcards" with special gifts inside mouseghost 2021-09-12T17:32:56 < mouseghost> mawk, im not sending you drugs 2021-09-12T17:32:58 < mawk> you go to the shady corner of your train station to buy me the gift 2021-09-12T17:33:03 < mawk> why 2021-09-12T17:33:03 < PaulFertser> Do you have draft army in Poland? Many men here need "university education" just to escape the draft. 2021-09-12T17:33:17 < mouseghost> we had this. now its only classification 2021-09-12T17:35:48 < mouseghost> gtg 2021-09-12T17:35:51 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-12T17:45:16 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T17:55:24 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T17:56:46 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T17:57:08 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-09-12T18:22:32 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T18:33:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T18:40:05 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-12T18:55:11 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T18:58:50 -!- guanche [~guanche@24.pool85-51-16.dynamic.orange.es] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T18:59:16 < guanche> Hey guys, what bootloader could I flash for trouble-free uploading of firmware in windows/msys? 2021-09-12T18:59:24 < guanche> I mean, to a bluepill 2021-09-12T19:00:35 < jpa-> use stlink 2021-09-12T19:00:45 < jpa-> developing without debugger is for arduino folks anyway 2021-09-12T19:01:19 < guanche> and you have both plugged constantly? 2021-09-12T19:01:28 < jpa-> sure 2021-09-12T19:01:37 < guanche> I'll try, thanks 2021-09-12T19:04:04 < guanche> and you have to make it like this jpa-?: https://microcontrollerelectronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/BluePill_as_Stlink.png 2021-09-12T19:04:38 < guanche> I already had one bluepill with the resistor soldered and with the stlink firmware on it 2021-09-12T19:04:58 < jpa-> i just use the one on a discovery board, but yeah, should work 2021-09-12T19:05:18 < guanche> but that wouldn't allow me to plug the usb on the target bluepill? 2021-09-12T19:05:29 < jpa-> why not? 2021-09-12T19:06:01 < guanche> short-circuit? I should not connect power from the stlink to the target then, no? 2021-09-12T19:06:27 < jpa-> yeah, you can leave 3.3V wire off if you want, though paralleling two 3.3V regulators is unlikely to cause any problems 2021-09-12T19:06:45 < guanche> I'll try, thanks 2021-09-12T19:08:37 < kakium69> PaulFertser: I had discus glider 2021-09-12T19:09:04 < kakium69> I threw it so hard I pulled like wingspar or something 2021-09-12T19:09:10 < kakium69> once I also flew it into lake 2021-09-12T19:09:19 < kakium69> then I just took it to sauna 2021-09-12T19:10:25 < kakium69> without löyly so it could dry up in +70c dry air 2021-09-12T19:11:09 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T19:11:16 < kakium69> long gone are days of cheap rc planes 2021-09-12T19:11:23 < kakium69> from hobby king 2021-09-12T19:11:59 < PaulFertser> kakium69: haha, too strong kaki 2021-09-12T19:12:01 < kakium69> I think I ordered ARF trash for like 60eur or 80eur 2021-09-12T19:13:25 < kakium69> styrofoam with some carbon fiber spars hastly glued into it isn't that expensive to manufacture 2021-09-12T19:21:25 < Steffanx> Time to make youe own, kakium69 2021-09-12T19:21:34 < kakium69> maybe 2021-09-12T19:23:30 < Steffanx> Maybe = no 2021-09-12T19:24:28 < kakium69> maybe 2021-09-12T19:24:51 < kakium69> I just proved you wrong steff 2021-09-12T19:25:26 < kakium69> paradox 2021-09-12T19:31:30 < bitmask> the gf and I flew a tiny $30 drone in the park yesterday, it was fun but too windy 2021-09-12T19:33:15 < bitmask> it was our first time flying it, i tried in the backyard first but the trimming was way off and the wind took it over the fence into the neighbors yard, i almost got it back but it hit the fence and landed where it couldnt take off again. got it with a chair and rake (they didnt answer the door) and we decided to go into a bigger area like a park 2021-09-12T19:34:22 < kakium69> what fun there is to fly fully trimmed and perfectly gyro'ed drone 2021-09-12T19:34:37 < kakium69> unless it's really powerful 2021-09-12T19:34:48 < kakium69> then it needs to be spot on 2021-09-12T19:35:05 < bitmask> i didnt get it perfect but having more room gave me the chance to get it pretty well trimmed 2021-09-12T19:36:07 < kakium69> my first RC plane was the fastest I have ever had since 2021-09-12T19:36:15 < bitmask> it was bad enough at first that holding the stick fully forward was what the center should have been 2021-09-12T19:36:31 < bitmask> yea my first drone i wont even fly cause its too scary :P 2021-09-12T19:36:44 < bitmask> its a 680mm hexacopter with 12 or 13" props 2021-09-12T19:36:46 < bitmask> CF props 2021-09-12T19:37:35 < bitmask> plus it had my own firmware controlling it, i wanna shrink it down a little, maybe just a quad and put a real board on it 2021-09-12T19:39:45 < bitmask> that was my first electronics project too 2021-09-12T19:39:57 < bitmask> first dive into arduino and then stm32 when i realized arduino sucked 2021-09-12T19:40:11 < bitmask> and how i met you fine people 2021-09-12T19:42:01 < kakium69> the finest* 2021-09-12T19:42:20 < bitmask> :) 2021-09-12T19:50:34 < Steffanx> Who wants quads nowadays? 2021-09-12T19:53:17 < qyx> I started building 700mm 12" hexa too 2021-09-12T19:53:40 < qyx> about 6y ago 2021-09-12T19:54:25 < qyx> never finished but I still have the components 2021-09-12T19:57:58 < kakium69> it's the typical drone project 2021-09-12T19:58:12 < kakium69> it has some parts in shelf 2021-09-12T19:58:18 < kakium69> for half a decade 2021-09-12T20:14:04 < bitmask> qyx, i only had one successful flight and then stored it away 2021-09-12T20:15:05 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/QI-EvEFcpMs 2021-09-12T20:15:07 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has left ##stm32 [] 2021-09-12T20:15:20 < bitmask> definitely needed some more tuning 2021-09-12T20:16:22 < qyx> I'll build a solar glider instead probabably 2021-09-12T20:17:36 < kakium69> there is youtubes of such thing 2021-09-12T20:19:14 < mouseghost> yeah! ive seen it some years ago 2021-09-12T20:19:18 < mouseghost> it reached high altitude 2021-09-12T20:30:16 < kakium69> there was one proper one that did some records 2021-09-12T20:31:35 < kakium69> then there was a thing with some solar cells wrapped into wrapping plastic type of project 2021-09-12T20:37:57 < guanche> is there any known usb bulk driver for windows/mingw64? 2021-09-12T20:38:13 < guanche> I mean, opensource that I can have a look at 2021-09-12T20:38:25 < kakium69> libusb? 2021-09-12T20:38:45 < guanche> or libusbK, or mingw64's winusb 2021-09-12T20:48:02 < PaulFertser> winusb is not opensource though 2021-09-12T20:48:19 < PaulFertser> If you mean the kernel driver 2021-09-12T20:50:57 < guanche> no, it seems all I have to do is to provide a WICD descriptor and use zadig to link my device with libusb, libusbK, winusb, etc, rather than to need a driver as such 2021-09-12T20:51:40 < PaulFertser> guanche: usually people just say "use zadig to install WinUSB for /that/ device manually" and link to libusb. 2021-09-12T20:51:52 < PaulFertser> No special descriptor or anything. 2021-09-12T20:52:30 < PaulFertser> guanche: libusb-win32 is old libusb-0.1 driver, not used for anything anymore 2021-09-12T20:52:48 < guanche> well, then I'm doing something wrong, cause zadig mentions my device as unknown. Anyways, I'm new to development in this area for windows so I don't yet have much of a clue 2021-09-12T20:53:10 < PaulFertser> guanche: it doesn't matter if it's known or not, it doesn't prevent installing winusb for it. 2021-09-12T20:53:43 < PaulFertser> guanche: you can check README.Windows for OpenOCD, I can tell you the end-users do not complain, and OpenOCD doesn't do anything special. 2021-09-12T20:53:55 < guanche> I guess I can go on and link it, but if device id or product id aren't shown, I don't think I'd be going anywhere 2021-09-12T20:54:13 < PaulFertser> guanche: zadig just forces the driver for any device you choose. 2021-09-12T20:54:16 < PaulFertser> And it works 2021-09-12T20:54:41 < guanche> it shows 000 and 0002 for my device 2021-09-12T20:54:53 < PaulFertser> VID/PID? 2021-09-12T20:54:54 < guanche> as USB ID, so I'd rather solve that first 2021-09-12T20:54:56 < guanche> yes 2021-09-12T20:55:36 < guanche> probably a firmware problem where the device is not enumerating properly though 2021-09-12T20:55:55 < PaulFertser> guanche: USB ID is shown no matter if it's known or not, whether there's a driver or not available etc. 2021-09-12T20:56:00 < PaulFertser> guanche: yes, that 2021-09-12T20:56:24 < PaulFertser> I think wireshark can show you USB traffic on windows with some addon. 2021-09-12T20:56:27 < guanche> yes, I can even see the button "add this pair to the known database", but I don't see much of a point on it at the moment 2021-09-12T20:56:45 < PaulFertser> You do not need any database or anything. 2021-09-12T20:56:58 < guanche> I'm looking through the code, and will probably resort to it, to wireshark 2021-09-12T20:57:09 < guanche> no, I mean the zadig application 2021-09-12T20:57:23 < guanche> has a button to make your vid/pid known to it 2021-09-12T20:57:57 < PaulFertser> I've never used that button 2021-09-12T21:10:00 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-12T21:22:31 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T21:25:13 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-12T21:29:17 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-12T21:34:54 -!- guanche [~guanche@24.pool85-51-16.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-12T21:38:25 < kakium69> helium-3 2021-09-12T21:38:40 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T22:15:34 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-12T22:15:34 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T22:17:13 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-12T22:19:32 -!- evandro [~evandro@187-15-171-91.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T22:21:01 -!- evandro [~evandro@187-15-171-91.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left ##stm32 [Leaving] 2021-09-12T22:49:47 < kakium69> channel is growing 2021-09-12T22:50:04 < kakium69> we are almost in our past strenght 2021-09-12T22:50:10 < kakium69> only dongs is missing 2021-09-12T22:51:39 < Steffanx> Dont think he will join, for whatever reason that is 2021-09-12T22:53:02 < kakium69> it's the open source spirit of the network 2021-09-12T22:53:12 < kakium69> it burns his skin 2021-09-12T22:54:00 < emeb> :P 2021-09-12T23:06:28 < qyx> oh molex pre-crimped cables on mouser 2021-09-12T23:07:24 < qyx> but isn't AWG20 too thick? 2021-09-12T23:07:34 < qyx> those american units.. 2021-09-12T23:12:31 < kakium69> for signals? 2021-09-12T23:20:22 < kakium69> are we talking about some MIL connector or industrial connector system? 2021-09-12T23:20:38 < kakium69> those use thick cables for signaling 2021-09-12T23:20:55 < mawk> PaulFertser: in how many different ways can you do 1€ with euro coins? 2021-09-12T23:21:02 < mawk> euro coins are 1¢, 2¢, 5¢, 10¢, 20¢, 50¢, 1€ 2021-09-12T23:21:27 < kakium69> is this a night puzzle? 2021-09-12T23:21:36 < mawk> yes kakium69 2021-09-12T23:22:38 < mawk> answer is 4563 different ways, but what's interesting is how you arrive at the answer 2021-09-12T23:22:56 < karlp> what are coins? 2021-09-12T23:23:00 < mawk> :( 2021-09-12T23:23:10 < mawk> little round metal pieces that serve as units of currency 2021-09-12T23:23:10 < kakium69> mawk: using the magic of maths? 2021-09-12T23:23:17 < mawk> kakium69: and computers 2021-09-12T23:23:26 < kakium69> ah 2021-09-12T23:23:27 < mawk> I tried to do it 100% by hand but I ran out of paper 2021-09-12T23:23:34 < mawk> so I let the computorz finish the work 2021-09-12T23:23:36 < kakium69> then it's no problem if computers are allowed 2021-09-12T23:23:43 < mawk> yeah 2021-09-12T23:23:53 < mawk> but my algorithm is O(n log n) 2021-09-12T23:23:57 < PaulFertser> mawk: you still think I'm not too dumb for puzzles like that?.. 2021-09-12T23:24:02 < mawk> so you could do it naively in O(n^7) but that's not very good 2021-09-12T23:24:17 < mawk> yes PaulFertser 2021-09-12T23:24:37 < mawk> you can use excel, or programming, or magic maths 2021-09-12T23:27:10 < mawk> here's what I told my computor to do kakium69 : https://serveur.io/Coins.html 2021-09-12T23:27:17 < mawk> it's O(n²) I lied, but if I used a FFT it could be O(n log n) 2021-09-12T23:29:19 < mawk> it's not a puzzle you can solve by hand PaulFertser ; I mean you can but you have to do many calculations since you need to compute a degree 100 polynomial 2021-09-12T23:29:38 < mawk> you could have some optimization to have less computation to do but it's still a lot of work 2021-09-12T23:29:51 < mawk> and using maths isn't the only way, you can do it normally 2021-09-12T23:35:49 < mawk> I tried to compute it for 10^100 € but I get an overflow 2021-09-12T23:35:54 < mawk> I need to be smarter about this 2021-09-12T23:38:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T23:46:09 < Steffanx> Mawk: Typical math shit. Just dumb some "random" formula and say you found the answer. 2021-09-12T23:46:27 < Steffanx> Dump. 2021-09-12T23:47:47 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-12T23:48:09 < mouseghost> mawk, what u doing 2021-09-12T23:48:40 < mawk> it's not random at all Steffanx 2021-09-12T23:48:48 < mawk> that's not how maths works 2021-09-12T23:49:22 < mawk> people can verify formulas 2021-09-12T23:49:27 < mawk> and anyway I explained it 2021-09-12T23:49:42 < mawk> you could understand it too if you tried on a smaller example 2021-09-12T23:53:16 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-12T23:53:28 < Steffanx> Explained it in math language. 2021-09-12T23:53:36 < Steffanx> => dump formula 2021-09-12T23:54:02 < mouseghost> isnt it connected to binomial theorem or something? --- Day changed Mon Sep 13 2021 2021-09-13T00:00:43 < mouseghost> mawk, maybe you could also try seeing if theres some kind of sequence? 2021-09-13T00:00:48 < mouseghost> https://oeis.org/ 2021-09-13T00:03:46 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-13T00:03:58 < Steffanx> Also mawk: why is "no coin" and option? 2021-09-13T00:04:03 < Steffanx> An* 2021-09-13T00:04:32 < Steffanx> Then 1 cent can be 1 coin + 1000 no coins? 2021-09-13T00:07:03 < Steffanx> Or maybe a 0c coin, but also not in the list with possible coins 2021-09-13T00:16:23 < Steffanx> Lol mawk, did you run after my negativity? 2021-09-13T00:38:45 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@195.181.31.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-13T00:52:39 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.190.192.84] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T00:59:52 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T01:00:39 < mawk> I explained it in english Steffanx 2021-09-13T01:00:50 < mawk> "no coin" is an option yes Steffanx 2021-09-13T01:01:02 < mawk> there is exactly 1 way to do 0€ 2021-09-13T01:01:08 < mawk> which is: doing nothing 2021-09-13T01:02:15 < mawk> but the "no coin" coin doesn't count 2021-09-13T01:02:31 < mawk> it's not counted in the total of other coins 2021-09-13T01:02:38 < Steffanx> But you can do nothing twice 2021-09-13T01:02:41 < mawk> because there is only 1 way to give no coin, not 1000 ways 2021-09-13T01:02:56 < mawk> no, "no coin" doesn't mean "coin of 0€" 2021-09-13T01:03:08 < mawk> it means "do nothing" 2021-09-13T01:03:15 < mawk> and there's only 1 way to do it, so it doesn't add anything 2021-09-13T01:03:18 < mawk> to other totals 2021-09-13T01:03:38 < qyx> I bet I know at least 100 ways of doing nothing 2021-09-13T01:03:43 < mawk> :( 2021-09-13T01:04:40 < Steffanx> Haha ty qyx 2021-09-13T01:05:21 < mawk> Steffanx: when you make up some value using coins, you've got the choice of using a certain amount of 1¢ coins, then a certain amount of 2¢ coins, a certain amount of 5¢, and so on 2021-09-13T01:05:39 < mawk> and "do nothing" just means taking 0 of each coin 2021-09-13T01:05:41 < mawk> and there's only 1 way to do it 2021-09-13T01:05:54 < mawk> in the same manner, there is only one way to take only one 1¢ coin and 0 of all others 2021-09-13T01:06:07 < mawk> you wouldn't say "there is 5000 ways to give a unique 1¢ coin", there is only one such way 2021-09-13T01:07:18 < zyp> mawk, you're effectively asking how many different solutions there are to 100*A + 50*B + 20*C + 10*D + 5*E + 2*F + 1*G == 100 where A..G are positive integers 2021-09-13T01:07:47 < zyp> it's equivalent to 100*A + 50*B + 20*C + 10*D + 5*E + 2*F <= 100 2021-09-13T01:08:44 < mawk> yes I suppose 2021-09-13T01:09:07 < zyp> I don't see a convenient way to solve it further without resorting to for-loops 2021-09-13T01:10:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-13T01:11:02 < qyx> you can probably solve it like it is common 2021-09-13T01:11:13 < qyx> for a given amount of €, start with the biggest banknotes you have 2021-09-13T01:11:36 < zyp> I mean, the for loops would be truncated 2021-09-13T01:11:57 < qyx> or coins 2021-09-13T01:12:01 < zyp> for A=0 and B=1, C=0..2 2021-09-13T01:12:57 < zyp> trivial complexity for a computer, just a hassle to do by hand 2021-09-13T01:13:12 < qyx> or just while (value > 0) { if (value > 0.5) give_50c(); else if (value > 0.2) give_20c()... 2021-09-13T01:13:37 < zyp> huh? 2021-09-13T01:13:37 < qyx> and subtract after giving of course 2021-09-13T01:13:55 < Steffanx> give_nothing(); 2021-09-13T01:13:55 < zyp> you're not trying to use the least number of coins, question is how many possible combinations 2021-09-13T01:14:20 < zyp> problem is that you can't start with small groups and just add up either 2021-09-13T01:14:31 < qyx> I missed the queston, sry 2021-09-13T01:14:54 < qyx> oh in how many different ways.. 2021-09-13T01:15:05 < zyp> hmm, unless there's a pattern to it 2021-09-13T01:15:20 < mawk> 1, 2, 5; 10, 20, 50 2021-09-13T01:15:22 < Steffanx> Just come up with the polynomial. Magically use algebra to make it managable and done ;) 2021-09-13T01:15:24 < mawk> seems like a patternz to me 2021-09-13T01:15:33 < mawk> it's not hard to come up with Steffanx 2021-09-13T01:16:06 < mawk> it's a polynomial only for practical purposes, because of how the exponents add up when you multiply the X together 2021-09-13T01:16:06 < qyx> I would start with 10c, 20c and 50c 2021-09-13T01:16:45 < Steffanx> I bet its not hard when you already know what you're doing... as usual with math. 2021-09-13T01:16:59 < qyx> ok but not today 2021-09-13T01:18:04 < mawk> no I didn't already know what I was doing, it was my first try using this method 2021-09-13T01:18:05 < mawk> Steffanx: you know how to expand polynomials right? if you expand (1+X)(1+X^2)(1+X^4) like you learnt in school, you know the coefficient of X^2 will be the number of ways you could get X^2 2021-09-13T01:18:13 < mawk> if you expand it you get 1 + X + X^2 + X^3 + X^4 + X^5 + X^6 + X^7 2021-09-13T01:18:38 < mawk> that means, using 1 2 and 4 you can make each number from 0 to 7 in a unique way; because all coefficients are 1 2021-09-13T01:19:15 < mawk> if you expand it by hand you will see why this is the case 2021-09-13T01:19:46 < mawk> X is nothing special here, it's just a way to stuff our numbers in powers 2021-09-13T01:19:50 < mawk> you can replace X by zglurb 2021-09-13T01:19:52 < zyp> hmm, f(n) goes 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11 2021-09-13T01:20:14 < zyp> your solution is f(100) 2021-09-13T01:20:41 < mawk> zyp: array([ 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 15, 16, 19]) 2021-09-13T01:20:41 < mawk> that'sthe first 15 of them 2021-09-13T01:21:00 < zyp> :) 2021-09-13T01:21:59 < mawk> well done 2021-09-13T01:21:59 < zyp> but you haven't found a pattern to it? 2021-09-13T01:22:08 < mawk> not yet 2021-09-13T01:22:12 < mawk> I get a overflow when I try too big numbers 2021-09-13T01:22:28 < mawk> so I'm trying to find a way to do it for bigger numbers 2021-09-13T01:22:45 < mawk> I mean, I'm trying to find a pattern for f(10^n) 2021-09-13T01:23:16 < mawk> I don't think there is a pattern to f(n) alone; there is a formula which I gave in my paste, but it's using a sum 2021-09-13T01:23:21 < mawk> zyp: https://serveur.io/Coins.html 2021-09-13T01:23:39 < mawk> f(n) is the coefficients of the polynomial 2021-09-13T01:23:59 < mawk> that's called a generating function, the polynomial is the generating function of the sequence {f(n)}, it's a pretty typical way to do things 2021-09-13T01:24:40 < zyp> okay, that's too mathy for me 2021-09-13T01:24:52 < mawk> and it's a very powerful trick: you have a sequence {a_n}, and define a function f(x) such that f(x) = a_0 + a_1x + a_2x^2 + ...; and then you can do a lot of manipulation on the sequences by manipulating the functions instead 2021-09-13T01:24:52 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-13T01:25:05 < mawk> well it looks mathy but it's quite an easy concept 2021-09-13T01:25:16 < mawk> the X is fake, it's just a way to stuff our numbers in powers 2021-09-13T01:25:22 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-13T01:26:06 < mawk> X^20 represents a total of 20¢, so when we multiply that with X^15 which is a total of 15¢, the result is X^35 which is indeed a total of 35¢ 2021-09-13T01:26:14 < zyp> what's f(25)? 2021-09-13T01:26:15 < mawk> we use powers of X because they add up nicely when you multiply 2021-09-13T01:26:31 < mawk> 68 2021-09-13T01:27:36 < mawk> the numbers look a lot like a gaussian curve, but I don't know if there is an easy pattern to it 2021-09-13T01:27:54 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T01:30:29 < mawk> do you get 68 too zyp ? 2021-09-13T01:30:46 < zyp> not calculating it, I assumed you were correct 2021-09-13T01:30:52 < mawk> a 2021-09-13T01:35:10 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-13T01:35:19 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T01:41:41 < Steffanx> Google agrees 2021-09-13T01:44:03 < mawk> woohoo 2021-09-13T01:44:08 < Steffanx> https://oeis.org/A001313/list ;) 2021-09-13T01:44:47 < Steffanx> Same question minus your 100c coin 🥳 2021-09-13T01:45:06 < mawk> same question but without the 1€ coin? 2021-09-13T01:45:11 < mawk> well then it's same answer - 1 2021-09-13T01:46:33 < Steffanx> https://oeis.org/A001313 yes. 2021-09-13T01:48:11 < mawk> ah right 2021-09-13T01:48:20 < mawk> so my formula was working perfektly 2021-09-13T01:53:22 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-13T02:01:19 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T02:04:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-13T02:14:50 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-13T02:15:33 -!- fluiD [~fluiD@161.97.231.145] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T02:29:27 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@37.45.180.117] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Spirit5324!~Spirit532@178.127.138.67))] 2021-09-13T02:29:32 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.138.67] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T03:36:59 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@c-73-214-106-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T03:48:38 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-13T04:00:18 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T04:03:41 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-13T04:04:46 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T04:41:19 < englishman> cool mawk 2021-09-13T05:34:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T06:07:34 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-13T06:13:02 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T06:22:24 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@c-73-214-106-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-13T06:26:04 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T06:57:13 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.190.192.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-13T07:03:10 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T07:06:09 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: c4017, Simon-- 2021-09-13T07:06:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Simon-- 2021-09-13T07:06:26 -!- c4017 [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:a59b:e803:fdef:313a] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T07:11:03 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.190.254.5] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T07:19:22 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: jadew, CygniX, Sadale, octorian, Kamilion 2021-09-13T07:19:31 -!- jadew [~rcc@2a02:2f0a:b204:d800:ca2a:14ff:fe58:c8c0] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T07:19:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: octorian 2021-09-13T07:19:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CygniX 2021-09-13T07:20:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Sadale 2021-09-13T07:20:12 -!- Kamilion [kamilion@copper.sllabs.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T08:38:44 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Maybe you can hire such guy 2021-09-13T10:51:32 < jpa-> AVX and KEMET catalogs list 0805 as the smallest size that is available with markings 2021-09-13T10:51:40 < jadew> yeah 2021-09-13T10:51:44 < jadew> that's what I was about to say 2021-09-13T10:52:32 < Steffanx> I feel sorry for you, jpa- 2021-09-13T10:52:56 < Steffanx> (Assuming you already know there is no solution, so all I can do is share your pain) 2021-09-13T10:53:53 < qyx> jpa-: I have a readme.rst in the project folder where I track all protos and their differences 2021-09-13T10:54:08 < qyx> such as values differing fro the schematic 2021-09-13T10:54:12 < jpa-> i wonder if there are permanent markers available in resistor colors.. then i could e.g. put brown and green dot on the capacitor 2021-09-13T10:55:11 < jpa-> qyx: yeah, but when running a test series like https://raw.githubusercontent.com/devEmbedded/differential_probe/main/design_notes/response_comparison.png i just never remember to log what i left there :) 2021-09-13T10:55:19 < jpa-> fortunately for now i got it from file timestamps 2021-09-13T11:06:35 -!- Steffann [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T11:07:05 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@user/steffanx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-13T11:28:21 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-13T12:22:43 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:957:dcff:8c8c:a264] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-13T12:34:48 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:2481:8f84:1823:50a5] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T12:56:46 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-13T12:57:30 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T13:11:04 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T13:15:28 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-13T13:29:22 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T13:33:47 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T13:34:06 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-13T13:37:59 -!- Steffanx- [sid97872@highgate.irccloud.com] has quit [] 2021-09-13T13:38:13 -!- Steffanx- [sid97872@id-97872.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T14:01:31 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T14:07:11 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-13T14:14:54 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.138.67] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-13T14:16:33 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@cpc92794-cmbg19-2-0-cust589.5-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-13T14:16:41 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.219.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T14:34:42 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T14:40:05 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-13T14:50:26 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@fw-tnat-cam4.arm.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T14:53:36 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T14:58:22 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-13T15:23:30 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-09-13T15:25:26 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T15:28:47 < karlp> fucking gdb python is still python2?! 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For more information please contact 2021-09-13T19:08:44 < englishman> job for mouseghost 2021-09-13T19:12:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T19:14:57 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T19:15:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-09-13T19:20:05 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-13T19:22:29 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T19:31:04 < BrainDamage> gotta specify open vs closed standards, where one needs obscurity in order to bill consulting to decypher it 2021-09-13T19:38:20 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-13T19:40:11 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-13T19:43:46 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@45.131.194.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-13T19:45:46 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937e:d600::cb4c] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T20:00:41 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T20:00:56 < catphish> morning libtards 2021-09-13T20:08:51 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-13T20:21:25 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:9d59:2956:b5e1:3cdf] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T20:33:45 < catphish> is stm32 stock still horribly unavailable? 2021-09-13T20:39:24 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T20:40:23 < catphish> looks like it is :( 2021-09-13T20:44:39 < catphish> jlc are charging $13 for an F103! 2021-09-13T20:46:42 < Steffann> Who wants a f103 anyway? 2021-09-13T20:47:01 < Steffann> but yes, stm32 is horribly unavailable, libtard. 2021-09-13T20:47:24 < kakium69> I have suspisious f103 boards! 2021-09-13T20:55:25 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-13T20:56:00 < catphish> Steffann: i assume there are a LOT of designs with F103, and people are still willing to pay for them 2021-09-13T20:56:37 < kakium69> still making monys 2021-09-13T20:56:47 < catphish> it seems like i can't actually start a project at this point, since there's almost nothing available 2021-09-13T20:57:00 < kakium69> you can 2021-09-13T20:57:13 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has quit [] 2021-09-13T20:57:28 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T20:57:46 < kakium69> btw. semiconductor prices will not get back to level they used to be 2021-09-13T20:57:59 < catphish> why not? 2021-09-13T20:58:25 < catphish> but it's not really prices that trouble me, just sane availability for IC selection 2021-09-13T20:58:32 < kakium69> they ran stuff with slim margins when everything were going smoothly 2021-09-13T20:59:24 < Steffann> nucleos etc are still available catphish ;) 2021-09-13T21:00:12 < catphish> Steffann: yeah, i do have nucleos, i could build a shield and start developing, means i can play with software at least, but not ideal 2021-09-13T21:01:12 < Steffann> But you've got to row with the oars you have 2021-09-13T21:01:18 < catphish> indeed! 2021-09-13T21:07:15 < fenugrec> just buy a fpga and synthesize a gd103 2021-09-13T21:07:27 < catphish> gd103 is open source? 2021-09-13T21:07:45 < fenugrec> no 2021-09-13T21:12:16 < catphish> i've found a chip that's available, hand solderable, and meets my needs, might as well buy a handful and design with what i can get :) 2021-09-13T21:13:51 < qyx> atmega8 you mean? 2021-09-13T21:15:33 < bitmask> damn EXEC_BAD_ACCESS ERRORS 2021-09-13T21:15:45 < Steffann> Better buy the fast before qyx buys them all catphish 2021-09-13T21:16:00 < kakium69> EXEC_BAD_ASS error 2021-09-13T21:16:18 < kakium69> let's see what mcus are available 2021-09-13T21:16:31 < bitmask> break time! 2021-09-13T21:16:33 < bitmask> what to do 2021-09-13T21:16:38 < bitmask> tv it is 2021-09-13T21:18:09 < fenugrec> msp430 2021-09-13T21:18:30 < fenugrec> digikey search, sort by "qt in stock". Interesting 2021-09-13T21:18:53 < kakium69> what is NXP K32 series 2021-09-13T21:22:59 < kakium69> it's probs from the merger with another company i don't remember what 2021-09-13T21:23:06 < kakium69> kinesis series chip or so 2021-09-13T21:23:18 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T21:25:19 < catphish> impulse purchased: https://i.imgur.com/qti988K.png - hopefully will see me though the next couple of projects, as long as i don't need anything too fancy like usb :) 2021-09-13T21:25:45 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@fw-tnat-cam4.arm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-13T21:25:46 < fenugrec> hoarder 2021-09-13T21:25:59 < catphish> lol indeed 2021-09-13T21:27:02 < catphish> annoyingly i usually just throw excess ICs in the trash, including many STM32s i'm sure, that's probably a habit our society could do without 2021-09-13T21:27:54 < catphish> in any case, those ICs will be enough if i want to play with some EV CANBUS soon 2021-09-13T21:28:33 < qyx> https://jnavila.github.io/plotkicadsch/ 2021-09-13T21:28:35 < qyx> very interesting 2021-09-13T21:32:05 < kakium69> will read 2021-09-13T21:32:26 < kakium69> catphish: is there shortage of canbus tranceivers? 2021-09-13T21:32:37 < kakium69> voltage regulators? 2021-09-13T21:34:23 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T21:37:41 < catphish> kakium69: doesn't seem to be, for now 2021-09-13T21:39:11 < catphish> jlc have thousands of MCP2551, i didn't check voltage regulators, but there's bound to be something that'll work 2021-09-13T21:40:13 < kakium69> so problem is mainly to have stuff in exact flavour for now 2021-09-13T21:40:22 < qyx> yes there is 2021-09-13T21:40:32 < qyx> every single less retarted switching vreg is unavailable 2021-09-13T21:40:43 < kakium69> how about MLCC apocalypse? 2021-09-13T21:40:44 < qyx> the same applies to most CAN transceivers 2021-09-13T21:40:47 < kakium69> still ongoing? 2021-09-13T21:41:20 < qyx> catphish: mcp2551 is one of the more retarded 2021-09-13T21:41:52 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-13T21:42:05 < kakium69> but gets shit done if needed 2021-09-13T21:42:09 < catphish> qyx: i hadn't looked into the specifics of what i need, is there anything important other than speed? 2021-09-13T21:42:34 < fenugrec> separate Vcio and +5 supplies is nice 2021-09-13T21:42:36 < qyx> low power modes, voltage shifting/trabnslation, etc. 2021-09-13T21:42:37 < kakium69> power consumption 2021-09-13T21:42:57 < fenugrec> Split pin for filtering is another difference between otherwise nearly identical pinouts 2021-09-13T21:43:32 < catphish> one with a 3v3 supply would be nice 2021-09-13T21:43:41 < kakium69> use 5v micro 2021-09-13T21:44:33 < catphish> i do enjoy me some AVR8 2021-09-13T21:45:35 < kakium69> https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/microcontroller/32-bit-industrial-microcontroller-based-on-arm-cortex-m/32-bit-xmc1000-industrial-microcontroller-arm-cortex-m0/xmc1300/ 2021-09-13T21:45:39 < kakium69> 5volt arm 2021-09-13T21:46:09 < catphish> that's fun 2021-09-13T21:46:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T21:48:54 < catphish> MCP2551 will probably work fine with stm32 anyway, just an extra regulator needed 2021-09-13T21:49:15 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T21:52:15 < catphish> s/probably // 2021-09-13T21:57:39 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-13T22:09:58 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-13T22:14:48 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T22:14:48 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-13T22:16:24 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-13T22:29:44 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-13T22:30:01 < kakium69> it will do 2021-09-13T23:04:34 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-13T23:29:37 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-13T23:35:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Sep 14 2021 2021-09-14T00:06:13 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-14T00:45:26 -!- kiki_lamb [~kiki_lamb@198-91-209-245.cpe.distributel.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2021-09-14T01:09:42 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@86.105.129.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-14T01:22:35 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.190.243.207] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T02:03:58 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-14T02:38:37 -!- lemmi [~lemmi@user/lemmi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-14T02:38:56 -!- lemmi [~lemmi@user/lemmi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T02:40:38 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T02:52:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-14T02:56:28 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:9d59:2956:b5e1:3cdf] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I'm using a third hand tool but it's rather wobbly 2021-09-14T17:13:52 < englishman> cnc'd plexi? 2021-09-14T17:16:30 < jpa-> a pcb? 2021-09-14T17:20:25 < BrainDamage> i use a pcb to hold the pins together 2021-09-14T17:20:40 < BrainDamage> I mean to hold the pcb holding the pins 2021-09-14T17:21:14 < englishman> i sometimes use a hammond box 2021-09-14T17:22:56 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T17:27:34 < jadew> BrainDamage, cloth wire clamp 2021-09-14T17:29:39 < jadew> does anyone know a good online resource for learning Chinese? 2021-09-14T17:35:53 < Steffann> Good.. duolingo and co arent so bad. But no idea if its any good for chinese. 2021-09-14T17:36:30 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-14T17:36:58 < jadew> I guess I'll try duolingo and see where that takes me 2021-09-14T17:38:01 < jpa-> why do you want to learn chinese? 2021-09-14T17:38:34 < jadew> preparing for the time when I need to say "ok boss." in chinese 2021-09-14T17:39:42 < jadew> it's a good idea to know chinese, given they're #1 in the world now 2021-09-14T17:39:52 < aandrew> I was playing with some learn chinese iphone app, mostly on the shitter. worked pretty good actually but I never went past the free trial 2021-09-14T17:40:08 < aandrew> I also want to learn chinese, if only to get better access to the chinese datasheets and resources 2021-09-14T17:40:26 < jadew> for datasheets you need to also learn the doodling 2021-09-14T17:40:49 < BrainDamage> you can use flashcards to learn the moonrunes 2021-09-14T17:40:58 < aandrew> "learn the doodling" ? 2021-09-14T17:41:06 < BrainDamage> anki is a popular choice 2021-09-14T17:41:08 < aandrew> I was focusing on the written 2021-09-14T17:41:26 < jadew> aandrew, ah, and is it not difficult? 2021-09-14T17:41:41 < aandrew> of course it is. it's a complex language with no alphabet 2021-09-14T17:42:11 < jadew> I'd be happy with just being able to have a phone conversation 2021-09-14T17:42:23 < aandrew> ah, yeah I'm less concerned about that 2021-09-14T17:42:25 < jadew> "when deliver chip?" type of thing 2021-09-14T17:42:35 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T17:43:01 < aandrew> I have that pictograph book from bunny huang I think 2021-09-14T17:43:25 < karlp> reading and talking chines are two very different things to learn... 2021-09-14T17:43:42 < jadew> BrainDamage, this? https://apps.ankiweb.net/ 2021-09-14T17:44:23 < BrainDamage> jadew: yes 2021-09-14T17:44:38 < BrainDamage> for one, there's no standard spoken chinese 2021-09-14T17:45:05 < BrainDamage> there's 5, with share like 40, 20, 10, 5, 5 2021-09-14T17:45:40 < jadew> then I'd want to learn the chinese spoken in Schenzeng... I have no use for peasant chinese 2021-09-14T17:46:13 < jadew> Shenzhen - according to google 2021-09-14T17:47:18 < Steffann> Dont forget to learn spanish too 2021-09-14T17:47:27 < jadew> Why? 2021-09-14T17:47:36 < Steffann> Another big language ;) 2021-09-14T17:47:55 < jadew> All I need in spanish I already know: La quenta por favor! 2021-09-14T17:47:57 < Steffann> And you can trade/talk with latinas. I know you like yhis 2021-09-14T17:48:10 < jadew> I'm married, I only look :P 2021-09-14T17:53:38 < jadew> Looks like duolingo shows you the characters too 2021-09-14T17:54:29 < Steffann> And you can talk to it too, but its usually very bad. 2021-09-14T17:54:37 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T17:54:38 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 2021-09-14T17:54:38 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T17:54:41 < Steffann> Or maybe its just because beginners level 2021-09-14T17:55:02 < BrainDamage> jadew: mandarin is the "standard", but in hong kong they speak cantonese 2021-09-14T17:55:22 < jadew> BrainDamage, any idea on how different they are? 2021-09-14T17:55:39 < jadew> which one do I learn? Duolingo only seems to have one: Chinese 2021-09-14T17:56:05 < karlp> written is ~same, spoken is different 2021-09-14T17:56:30 < karlp> but they'll understand you, just recognise you as differnt 2021-09-14T17:56:34 < karlp> you're going to be foreign anyway 2021-09-14T17:56:42 < karlp> using the wrong idioms isn't really going to be an issue.... 2021-09-14T17:57:12 < jadew> I got 100% on my first lesson 2021-09-14T17:57:14 < jadew> hi hao! 2021-09-14T17:57:25 < jadew> ni hao 2021-09-14T17:57:27 < jadew> damn it 2021-09-14T17:57:32 < karlp> háo ba 2021-09-14T17:57:39 < karlp> wo xing palsson 2021-09-14T17:57:44 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-14T17:58:05 < jadew> that's too advanced for me 2021-09-14T17:58:38 < Steffann> People say "hellochinese" is better for a a beginner it seems, but non freeish? 2021-09-14T17:58:59 < Steffann> -a 2021-09-14T17:59:42 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-14T17:59:54 < jadew> I'll see how much I like duolingo 2021-09-14T17:59:57 < jadew> so far so good 2021-09-14T18:04:27 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T18:08:58 < bitmask> damn pointers 2021-09-14T18:11:43 < karlp> man cube hal layers run deep 2021-09-14T18:16:51 < karlp> zyp: your cgit is ~busted, it reports https://git.jvnv.net/git/laks as a valid ref to clone, but it doesn't exist there... 2021-09-14T18:19:06 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-14T18:21:10 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-14T18:22:25 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-14T18:23:12 < karlp> zyp: you dev-v2 branch, is that ~complete? what's it waiting on or you still hating on? 2021-09-14T18:37:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T18:37:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 2021-09-14T18:37:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T18:43:36 < Steffann> Dont you like being pointed at, bitmask? 2021-09-14T18:43:55 < bitmask> look at that sexy dude 2021-09-14T18:46:57 < karlp> zyp: how's the "bus" identifiers meant to handle split apb1 registers, like L4 has, with APB1ENR1 and APB1ENR2 ? 2021-09-14T18:49:58 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-14T18:56:49 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@c-73-214-106-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T19:03:30 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@c-73-214-106-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-14T19:22:11 < mawk> it's time for my dutch class Steffann 2021-09-14T19:22:26 < mawk> het is tijd 2021-09-14T19:27:00 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@c-73-214-106-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T19:28:00 < Steffann> De hoogste tijd 2021-09-14T19:29:30 < mawk> kleinste tijd 2021-09-14T19:31:48 < karlp> zyp: do you have any examples using the v2 stuff? 2021-09-14T19:37:32 < Steffann> No mawk:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOUgOKi5UPo 2021-09-14T19:38:43 < zyp> karlp, gonna check the git, probably broke it when we recently upgraded some stuff 2021-09-14T19:39:40 < zyp> dev-v2 is wip, wanted to instrument the coro task switch stuff which is what got me into the orbtrace stuff 2021-09-14T19:41:09 < zyp> L4 would probably get APB1_1 and APB1_2 or some shit, haven't looked at that yet 2021-09-14T19:41:20 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@c-73-15-225-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T19:41:40 < zyp> I've got a coro_sandbox project using the v2 stuff 2021-09-14T19:42:03 < karlp> not on your cgit instance that I can see anywhere? 2021-09-14T19:42:20 < zyp> nope 2021-09-14T19:42:27 < zyp> just a local pile of mess 2021-09-14T19:42:38 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T19:42:44 < karlp> I just got one thing figured out, env = SConscript('laks/build/env.py') 2021-09-14T19:42:51 < karlp> instead of the older style 2021-09-14T19:42:51 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/eaeph 2021-09-14T19:42:59 < karlp> at least, that gets it to complain a bit further along 2021-09-14T19:43:08 < zyp> yes 2021-09-14T19:43:37 < karlp> your webserver gets pretty upset at something on https://cgit.jvnv.net/cardio/tree/main.cpp too 2021-09-14T19:43:41 < karlp> most of the file is just blank 2021-09-14T19:44:45 < zyp> huh 2021-09-14T19:45:33 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@c-73-214-106-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-14T19:45:39 < karlp> laks/i2c/i2c.h:5:10: fatal error: interrupt/interrupt.h: No such file or directory 2021-09-14T19:46:54 < zyp> you're wading into WIP that I haven't touched much in half a year :) 2021-09-14T19:47:14 < karlp> yeah, it sounded like a good idea :) 2021-09-14T19:48:38 < karlp> it's not runnign teh selectmcu stuff first.. 2021-09-14T19:48:47 < karlp> it just jumps straight into trying to build 2021-09-14T19:48:59 < karlp> what's teh base Sconstuct foryour coro demo look like? 2021-09-14T19:49:26 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/u3QsL 2021-09-14T19:50:02 < zyp> it's a sandbox, so it's full of mess :) 2021-09-14T19:50:17 < karlp> that's ok 2021-09-14T19:50:47 < karlp> yeah, ok, it's just not generating interrupts first. 2021-09-14T19:53:19 < karlp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/GSL28 builds the rcc first ok, after a clean, but no irqs. 2021-09-14T19:54:15 < zyp> have you defined interrupts for WB? 2021-09-14T19:54:18 < karlp> eyah 2021-09-14T19:54:52 < zyp> how does the platform definition look? 2021-09-14T19:55:31 < karlp> just copied the f4 and modified a few fields, in theory... 2021-09-14T19:55:52 < karlp> laks/rcc/rcc_enums.h is generated, 2021-09-14T19:56:06 < karlp> and looks correct. 2021-09-14T19:57:21 < zyp> can you paste the platform definition? 2021-09-14T19:58:04 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/laks/tree/v2-wb 2021-09-14T19:58:26 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T19:58:51 < karlp> I've got to dash, can poke this later tonight 2021-09-14T19:59:42 < zyp> oh, wait, my bad 2021-09-14T20:02:14 < zyp> karlp, that should fix it: https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/commit/?h=dev_v2&id=cb48652 2021-09-14T20:02:28 < zyp> it was forgotten along with uncommitted riscv changes 2021-09-14T20:03:29 < karlp> whee, built 2021-09-14T20:04:01 < karlp> text data bss dec hex filename 2021-09-14T20:04:03 < karlp> 196 316 0 512 200 main.elf 2021-09-14T20:04:09 < karlp> laks is so lightweight ;) 2021-09-14T20:04:21 < zyp> if you're gonna play with this, I should probably add a few more fun pieces 2021-09-14T20:06:37 < zyp> … later 2021-09-14T20:06:47 < zyp> need to get the kid in bed first :) 2021-09-14T20:13:58 < srk> 24 2021-09-14T20:14:00 < srk> oop 2021-09-14T20:18:18 < bitmask> vulkan class version is finally working, time to finally learn more 2021-09-14T20:19:07 < bitmask> only 73 warnings :) 2021-09-14T20:26:07 < kakium69> "I'm going to do everything by the book" 2021-09-14T20:26:41 < kakium69> *mehs at endless warnings* 2021-09-14T20:31:20 < bitmask> :) 2021-09-14T20:31:57 < BrainDamage> ignoring warning is a well estabilished industry practice 2021-09-14T20:32:29 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/Up5LYsM.png 2021-09-14T20:33:29 < bitmask> thats all just for initialization 2021-09-14T20:34:10 < kakium69> *code compiles without warnings* 2021-09-14T20:34:29 < kakium69> *starts checking if code actually compiled at all* 2021-09-14T20:35:12 < bitmask> error, line 1 of main() 2021-09-14T20:35:28 < kakium69> *enables all warnings - problem solved* 2021-09-14T20:36:36 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T20:37:07 < bitmask> oh shit, i do have validation layer warnings/errors though, guess i should fix those first 2021-09-14T20:38:16 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937e:d600::cb4c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-14T20:38:34 < bitmask> hmm mem leak 2021-09-14T20:38:41 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937e:d600::b696] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T20:47:23 < karlp> zyp: I'm probably insane but I'm getting realylshitty behaviour from some cube code, that I suspect is related to the amoutn of layers involved in one of the IRQs, and I _should_ just figure out that properly and fix it, but "just doing it by hand" has appeal... 2021-09-14T20:55:03 < emeb> Just do it by hand - eliminate all that useless HAL IRQ code. 2021-09-14T20:55:56 < emeb> probably make your code a helluva lot more efficient too... 2021-09-14T20:56:11 < kakium69> why would you use HAL IRQ code? 2021-09-14T20:57:18 < kakium69> vulkan on stm32 when? 2021-09-14T20:58:42 < bitmask> hah what? no on my laptop 2021-09-14T21:08:51 < karlp> emeb: only downside is having to re-implement the btle hci layer :| 2021-09-14T21:10:04 < emeb> karlp: so yeah - context is important here. all the times I've bypassed HAL crap it's been pretty minimal effort. This sounds like a different domain. 2021-09-14T21:13:45 < kakium69> brb> 2021-09-14T21:17:34 < Steffann> Now? 2021-09-14T21:18:18 < kakium69> no 2021-09-14T21:18:27 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-14T21:19:03 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T21:19:04 < kakium69> now 2021-09-14T21:34:28 < kakium69> it's cold steff 2021-09-14T21:35:03 < Steffann> No, its perfect. 18 C 2021-09-14T21:37:06 < catphish> this chip shortage can really do one :( 2021-09-14T21:43:48 < Steffann> What you need today? 2021-09-14T21:45:29 < kakium69> 5C rain 2021-09-14T21:50:24 < catphish> Steffann: i'm just trying to come up with a combination of parta to communicate with canbus, and also drive 5v 20mA stepper motors, bonus points for a rotary encoder counter, stock is short in every aspect though, stm32 seems the most promising, shame it can't natively drive the motor 2021-09-14T21:51:00 < kakium69> in one project? 2021-09-14T21:51:04 < catphish> yes 2021-09-14T21:51:10 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-14T21:51:48 < kakium69> EV? 2021-09-14T21:51:58 < catphish> yes 2021-09-14T21:52:12 < kakium69> why you need rotary encoder counter? 2021-09-14T21:52:23 < kakium69> standalone counter instead of mcu 2021-09-14T21:52:57 < karlp> emeb: well, one of the things I found after experimenting with rust, is that the HCI layer is actually pretty contained, and I've seen two references of how to do it now, so it might not be such a pain after all :) 2021-09-14T21:54:19 < emeb> karlp: nice 2021-09-14T21:55:27 < karlp> we'll see... 2021-09-14T21:55:30 < catphish> there are a few different things i'm trying to do here, but project #1 is to build a speedometer for classic vehicles (and EV converted ones, ideally with the same BOM), it should ideally accept input from GPS, pulse counter, or CAN to work out vehicle speed 2021-09-14T21:55:50 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T21:55:52 < karlp> but the amout of layers in the hal dma/adc stuff was....gross and not tasty kool aid. 2021-09-14T21:56:24 < catphish> but the frustration here is that for every single part, i can't use the standard IC i'd want to, i have to see what id remotely available 2021-09-14T21:56:31 < catphish> *is 2021-09-14T21:58:25 * qyx ordered protos for 2 new devices 2021-09-14T21:59:02 < qyx> catphish: stspin no good? 2021-09-14T21:59:29 < qyx> or stm32 + SPI motor driver, there are some 2021-09-14T22:00:05 < qyx> or a simple ULN2803A 2021-09-14T22:00:30 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T22:03:39 -!- kakium6960 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T22:03:44 -!- kakium6960 is now known as kakium9000 2021-09-14T22:04:28 < catphish> ULN2803A == no stock :) 2021-09-14T22:04:35 * karlp spews at scons using system python not python from path and not picking up jinja from venv :| 2021-09-14T22:04:40 < catphish> like all sane parts 2021-09-14T22:05:03 < catphish> i'm seriously considering designing for through-hole, no shortages there 2021-09-14T22:05:26 < catphish> but just such a mess overall :'( 2021-09-14T22:07:35 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-14T22:07:46 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-14T22:09:07 < kakium9000> darlingon transistor array 2021-09-14T22:09:36 < kakium9000> 1997 2021-09-14T22:10:10 < kakium9000> soic-18 2021-09-14T22:15:14 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-14T22:15:14 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T22:15:23 < qyx> not a single one uln2803a in stock? 2021-09-14T22:16:49 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-14T22:20:07 < bitmask> looks like i switched to software at a good time 2021-09-14T22:44:40 < Steffann> No 2021-09-14T22:46:40 < catphish> uln2803a only seems to be available in through hole :) 2021-09-14T22:47:04 < kakium9000> is that really the only option for driving steppers? 2021-09-14T22:47:15 < kakium9000> or even sensible one 2021-09-14T22:48:09 < catphish> no 2021-09-14T22:48:44 < catphish> i was just replying to qyx's question, there are some others, and some are available, just requires going off the beaten track 2021-09-14T22:49:25 < catphish> this will do the job i think https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/13080.pdf 2021-09-14T22:49:31 < kakium9000> is the stepper unipolar? 2021-09-14T22:50:22 < catphish> bipolar 2021-09-14T22:50:35 < kakium9000> then uln2803a is not even suitable? 2021-09-14T22:50:55 < catphish> why not? every pin can be 0v or +v 2021-09-14T22:51:12 < catphish> that means any pair can be driven in either polarity 2021-09-14T22:51:32 < catphish> *it's push-pull, right? 2021-09-14T22:51:34 < qyx> uln2803a is not totem pole 2021-09-14T22:51:37 < qyx> no 2021-09-14T22:51:41 < catphish> oh, then no :) 2021-09-14T22:52:23 < catphish> oh yeah, darlington collector, no good 2021-09-14T22:52:45 < catphish> this thing, with a datasheet from 1995 will probably do https://uk.farnell.com/rohm/ba6845fs-e2/ic-stepping-motor-driver-smd/dp/1511714?st=stepper 2021-09-14T22:53:25 < catphish> all it needs is 4 totem poles 2021-09-14T22:53:38 < kakium9000> or 4 half bridges 2021-09-14T22:53:46 < catphish> right 2021-09-14T22:55:00 < catphish> 4 half bridges is exactly what i need 2021-09-14T22:55:26 < Steffann> I'd just go with some trinamic thing. Especially since they are easy to get in the (china) 3d printer world. 2021-09-14T22:56:13 < Steffann> or whatever easy to get stepper drive in the 3d printer world. 2021-09-14T22:56:43 < catphish> in fact even a hex inverter would probably do the job here 2021-09-14T22:56:54 < Steffann> for prototyping there might even be some premade things for the nucleos. 2021-09-14T22:57:00 < Steffann> tarduino compatible. 2021-09-14T22:57:38 < catphish> is it legal to use logic gates as motor drivers? 2021-09-14T22:58:53 < kakium9000> yes but you cannot get 20mA 2021-09-14T22:59:21 < kakium9000> who was that guy on youtubes that does those flappy pcbs 2021-09-14T22:59:35 < kakium9000> that jump around and spin and stuff 2021-09-14T22:59:38 < Steffann> not just yt. also twatter 2021-09-14T23:00:20 < kakium9000> just to see his driver ics 2021-09-14T23:00:35 < Steffann> https://www.youtube.com/c/CarlBugeja/videos that one? 2021-09-14T23:01:46 < kakium9000> y 2021-09-14T23:02:25 < Steffann> Dont tell the guy uses msp430 2021-09-14T23:04:27 < kakium9000> so he found out that "haptic driver" ic is good for small currents 2021-09-14T23:04:43 < kakium9000> and cheap 2021-09-14T23:05:52 < kakium9000> package size may vary* 2021-09-14T23:06:14 < kakium9000> also work at very low voltages 2021-09-14T23:08:17 < kakium9000> https://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Diodes-Incorporated/PAM8016AKR?qs=%252BEew9%252B0nqrCPtpXluBi24A%3D%3D no stock 2021-09-14T23:08:58 < kakium9000> it's categorized as "audio driver" 2021-09-14T23:10:00 < kakium9000> also package is not nicest to work with 2021-09-14T23:10:14 < kakium9000> but very inexpensive solution 2021-09-14T23:11:18 < catphish> is there a really simple IC that just does push-pull output at moderate current levels that matches its input? 2021-09-14T23:11:39 < catphish> literally just a digital amplifier, capable of 20ma 2021-09-14T23:12:32 < catphish> i guess it's called a buffer 2021-09-14T23:15:15 < kakium9000> it's called a buffer yes 2021-09-14T23:16:05 < kakium9000> digital buffers might have pretty fast output edges 2021-09-14T23:16:29 < catphish> 20mA is quite a lot it seems got digital stuff 2021-09-14T23:16:51 < catphish> i'll keep digging 2021-09-14T23:17:24 < kakium9000> consider it an adventure to engineering options 2021-09-14T23:18:45 < catphish> with that said, i think i already found the correct solution - https://uk.farnell.com/rohm/ba6845fs-e2/ic-stepping-motor-driver-smd/dp/1511714?st=stepper - so i'm good for now 2021-09-14T23:20:26 < kakium9000> it's a solid option 2021-09-14T23:20:33 < kakium9000> and available 2021-09-14T23:25:41 < Steffann> https://uk.farnell.com/trinamic/tmc2660c-pa/motor-driver-40-to-125deg-c/dp/3529991 2021-09-14T23:26:21 < Steffann> but yeah, you can also do it all yourself 2021-09-14T23:26:31 < kakium9000> price? 2021-09-14T23:26:45 < catphish> thats a lot of pins for one motor 2021-09-14T23:26:48 < Steffann> twice that of the "simple" thing 2021-09-14T23:27:26 < Steffann> "mucho" current.. so quite a few pins are in parallel. 2021-09-14T23:27:30 < catphish> ah that one's for the table built in, in my case i actually prefer to write the drive table myself 2021-09-14T23:27:50 < catphish> because weird motors 2021-09-14T23:28:12 < catphish> ah most of the pins are doubled up 2021-09-14T23:28:29 < catphish> and it's got SPI, fancy! 2021-09-14T23:28:47 < catphish> probably overkill, but cool 2021-09-14T23:29:11 < catphish> oh, and current control too, that's for proper stepper motors :) 2021-09-14T23:29:36 < catphish> mine are just high impedance voltage driven things 2021-09-14T23:29:40 < kakium9000> it has all bells and whisles 2021-09-14T23:29:48 < catphish> it does indeed 2021-09-14T23:29:48 < kakium9000> 256step microstepping 2021-09-14T23:29:53 < kakium9000> load detection 2021-09-14T23:30:43 < Steffann> its just the first random trinamic driver in found on farnell 2021-09-14T23:30:46 < Steffann> they have MANY 2021-09-14T23:31:44 < Steffann> they = trinamic, maybe not farnell 2021-09-14T23:32:01 < kakium9000> it's the go to when you want to update your 3d printer for more precision and speed and less sound 2021-09-14T23:37:47 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@c-73-214-106-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T23:43:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-14T23:45:58 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937e:d600::b696] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-09-14T23:49:34 < Steffann> Yeah --- Day changed Wed Sep 15 2021 2021-09-15T00:05:28 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-15T00:30:26 < bitmask> oh boy 2021-09-15T00:30:32 < bitmask> rotating textured square 2021-09-15T00:30:33 < bitmask> https://i.imgur.com/JyqZs9c.png 2021-09-15T00:38:21 < bitmask> SUM: Files: 34 Blank: 718 Comments: 257 Code: 1989 2021-09-15T00:38:25 < bitmask> 2k lines for that 2021-09-15T00:45:33 < karlp> scons --enable-virtualenv explicitly is meant to support this, but doesn't 2021-09-15T00:49:33 < karlp> ahha, need to put scons in the venv too, or at least, that way works... 2021-09-15T00:53:30 < karlp> ah, that doesn't work for netbeans though. should just install jinja2 systemwide, forget about it... 2021-09-15T01:06:57 < bitmask> https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/13/stranger-semen-injection/ 2021-09-15T01:15:52 < Steffann> Thanks 2021-09-15T01:16:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T01:18:55 < jadew> "bizarre and disturbing" - that's a good description 2021-09-15T01:20:53 < jadew> glad I read the comments otherwise I would have missed this fact 2021-09-15T01:20:58 < jadew> his name is Stemen 2021-09-15T01:27:03 -!- kakium9000 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-15T01:31:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [] 2021-09-15T01:43:13 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05IgfflAlIk 2021-09-15T01:45:36 < jadew> same "its own charge station network" bs 2021-09-15T01:45:54 < jadew> with charging stations in the fucking woods 2021-09-15T01:46:47 < karlp> zyp: what's the "right" way of putting in longer reserved sections in register structs? just an array? 2021-09-15T01:51:34 < karlp> and is "rcc_init()" expected to be "max" ? 2021-09-15T01:57:59 < mawk> what other than an array would you use karlp 2021-09-15T01:58:18 < karlp> no ideas, c++ is magical :) 2021-09-15T02:00:06 < jadew> did you guys know there are industry legends on the eevblog forum? 2021-09-15T02:05:43 < karlp> zyp: you need a second rcc.h to have the prototypes in? rcc.h is generated right now, but doesn't incldue the proto for rcc_init() ? 2021-09-15T02:07:55 < karlp> I have a solution for it though... 2021-09-15T02:15:59 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/laks/commit/4374f0b6bd01e2810aae0a259c560a85adc8f135 should do right? 2021-09-15T02:30:30 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@c-73-15-225-136.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-15T08:28:26 < jpa-> https://github.com/vkoskiv/ruoste finally rust is made readable 2021-09-15T09:28:25 < zyp> nice 2021-09-15T09:29:00 < zyp> karlp, probably workable enough, ideally I'd like to kill off rcc_init 2021-09-15T10:00:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-15T10:09:16 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T10:15:08 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-15T10:15:08 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T10:16:45 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-15T10:48:36 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T10:49:08 < drzacek> Hello 2021-09-15T10:50:58 < drzacek> I want to transfer data via uart from one mcu to another. I am transmitting periodically at high baud, and data has variable length. Receiving with the HAL_UART_Receive_IT on the receiving end has failed me, I can't process interrupt for each single byte I receive. 2021-09-15T10:51:36 < drzacek> not sure how to proceed. Surely this isn't something exotic and there are some standard approaches to this problem? Can someone point me to the right direction? 2021-09-15T10:53:28 < jpa-> use DMA 2021-09-15T10:57:16 * drzacek reads about DMA 2021-09-15T10:57:18 < drzacek> okay then 2021-09-15T10:58:15 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-15T12:09:27 < Luminax> wouldn't something like SPI/I2C be faster? just my 20cents 2021-09-15T12:19:43 < zyp> SPI would, I2C wouldn't 2021-09-15T12:23:11 < jpa-> it's not definite that SPI would be faster either 2021-09-15T12:24:19 < jpa-> especially if you need bidirectional communication, capacitive cross-talk and SCK->MISO latency can severely limit SPI speed over longer cables 2021-09-15T12:25:57 < drzacek> maybe it would, but I think at those rates it doesn't really matter? 2021-09-15T12:26:17 < jpa-> what rates? 2021-09-15T12:27:24 < drzacek> I don't even want to use uart/spi/i2c at all, it just a test to check if the components are working, and get a comparison of how it works/how the thansfer times look like etc. Once I got the sensors etc working and see that other side can work with the data, I want to use different technology for transmission 2021-09-15T12:27:33 < drzacek> most likely lan/wifi 2021-09-15T12:27:58 < drzacek> jpa-, I'm at 500k baudrate right now, and sending <10 bytes right now 2021-09-15T12:28:31 < jpa-> ok 2021-09-15T12:32:57 < zyp> oh, 500kbaud isn't really that fast 2021-09-15T12:34:54 < zyp> jpa-, no reason you couldn't run SPI bidirectionally 2021-09-15T12:35:11 < zyp> I mean, duplex 2021-09-15T12:38:26 < jpa-> true 2021-09-15T13:03:14 < Luminax> o.O well... yeah I sure didn't mention those two for long cable comms 2021-09-15T13:33:15 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T13:36:56 < tct> so I´m looking at a 6-layer PCB layout with the stack being like this: signal, power, signal, signal, GND, signal 2021-09-15T13:37:01 < tct> that is rather unusual, right? 2021-09-15T13:37:21 * karlp shrugs 2021-09-15T13:37:23 < tct> and we talk things like 166 MHz memory bus 2021-09-15T13:38:26 < jpa-> why do you consider it unusual? 2021-09-15T13:38:58 < jpa-> it is not significantly different from SGSSGS 2021-09-15T13:39:04 < zyp> that sounds like a perfectly normal 6L stackup 2021-09-15T13:39:24 < zyp> two reference planes with signals on both sides 2021-09-15T13:39:40 < tct> hmm, true 2021-09-15T13:39:49 < tct> this is why I came asking ;-) 2021-09-15T13:40:18 < jpa-> http://www.hottconsultants.com/techtips/pcb-stack-up-3.html 2021-09-15T13:41:40 < tct> hotconsultants.com :D 2021-09-15T13:41:53 < jpa-> hottest emc tips on the web 2021-09-15T13:47:28 < tct> thanks! 2021-09-15T13:48:05 < karlp> bleh, my pc sampling isnt doing anything anymore... 2021-09-15T13:48:12 < karlp> what am I likely to have left off... 2021-09-15T14:11:24 < mawk> henry ott 2021-09-15T14:14:57 < karlp> (enabling cycle counter is the answer) 2021-09-15T14:23:28 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@61.183.207.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-15T14:29:47 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-15T14:35:52 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T14:43:31 < benishor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSZgoFyuHC8&ab_channel=thejuicemedia 2021-09-15T14:45:20 < karlp> oops, zyp needs me to update: arm-none-eabi-g++: error: unrecognized command line option '-std=c++20' :) 2021-09-15T14:51:04 < zyp> :) 2021-09-15T15:16:54 < karlp> hrm, crashes on first function call inside main. 2021-09-15T15:17:00 < karlp> did I get the stack and memory wrong? 2021-09-15T15:26:45 < karlp> how are you meant to print the magic RCC objects now zyp? flash is easy... RCC... not? 2021-09-15T15:27:06 < karlp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/ih6ZK 2021-09-15T15:45:21 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/hobHz 2021-09-15T15:45:43 < zyp> it's a bit dumb, the nicer way didn't work 2021-09-15T15:48:59 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@86.105.136.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-15T15:49:29 < zyp> the nicer way is an xmethod handler for the mmio_ptr object itself that'd make the object work as well as the traditional pointers, but it doesn't work when the mmio_ptr object itself is optimized out, and the whole point of it is to aid optimization 2021-09-15T16:04:44 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.190.205.242] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T16:05:39 -!- MrMobius [~MrMobius@208.58.206.154] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T16:17:09 < karlp> the idea is that all th eperipherals convert to this typed mmioptr thing right, not the #ifdefd structs? 2021-09-15T16:18:26 < karlp> bleh, my system gdb that has python3 doesn't like the import 2021-09-15T16:18:48 < karlp> needs to have a .py ending apparently. 2021-09-15T16:19:24 < karlp> now what though, sourced that, "p RCC" ? 2021-09-15T16:21:08 < zyp> p $mmio_ptr(RCC) 2021-09-15T16:22:52 < karlp> p *$mmio_ptr(RCC) works better 2021-09-15T16:22:54 < karlp> ok, thanks. 2021-09-15T16:22:57 < karlp> that's gross, but ok. 2021-09-15T16:23:15 < karlp> this is the price for not having ifdefd structs right? 2021-09-15T16:23:55 < zyp> no, the jinja templating is the price for not having ifdefed structs, this is an optimization thing 2021-09-15T16:24:29 < BrainDamage> replacing one template engine for anotherrr 2021-09-15T16:25:21 < karlp> what wasn't optimizing wit hthe raw structs before? 2021-09-15T16:25:25 < zyp> old style stored a pointer and casted addr to pointer in the constructor, this style stores uintptr_t and casts at deref 2021-09-15T16:26:06 < zyp> the pointer actually got emitted instead of folded 2021-09-15T16:26:30 < zyp> ah, no, wait, now I remember 2021-09-15T16:26:40 < zyp> reinterpret_cast is not constexpr 2021-09-15T16:26:56 < zyp> moving it out of the constructor allows constructor to be constexpr 2021-09-15T16:29:24 < karlp> ok.. so is it only usb that has got this new style? you have usart_stm32 in the f4 yaml file, but no gneeration based on that that I can see, no SConscript in the usart directory, nothing generated for it? 2021-09-15T16:30:20 < karlp> and looks like only dwc_otg at that. 2021-09-15T16:30:46 < zyp> interrupt controllers too 2021-09-15T16:30:56 < zyp> and rcc 2021-09-15T16:32:25 < zyp> but yeah, it's a WIP 2021-09-15T16:32:42 < karlp> right, but uart/adc/timers/flash/gpio are all still structs, and would need to be converted or just used as is... 2021-09-15T16:32:59 < zyp> a bunch of the changes are abstractions added to aid porting to risc-v, but the risc-v half isn't committed yet 2021-09-15T16:33:02 < zyp> yes 2021-09-15T16:34:35 < zyp> hmm, I have done the uart stuff as well, that's among the uncommitted stuff 2021-09-15T16:35:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T16:36:15 < karlp> I thought you might have, as they're in the yaml files :) 2021-09-15T16:56:51 * karlp grumbles at the pll not being selected even though it says it's ready 2021-09-15T16:58:04 < catphish> someone just bought up the rest of the F334 that i was using in my design :D 2021-09-15T17:00:05 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T17:00:44 < aandrew> yeah I grabbed 75 F411s in 49-ball 0.4mm pitch BGA when I saw them. not ideal package but shoudl work for me 2021-09-15T17:02:23 < catphish> i bought 5 F334 and 5 L451 which will do me for prototyping, but for once i'm designing something with an actual commercial customer in mind, so this is grossly imppractical :( 2021-09-15T17:02:30 < jpa-> the STM32 models that are still in stock must feel so dejected.. "Why doesn't anyone want me? Even STM32F103 is out of stock!" 2021-09-15T17:02:39 < catphish> lol 2021-09-15T17:02:42 < aandrew> hahaha 2021-09-15T17:02:46 < catphish> G0 seems to be well stocked 2021-09-15T17:02:48 < aandrew> I was surprised the F411 was there 2021-09-15T17:04:38 < catphish> perhaps i should rethink my CAN requirement and consider an external transceiver 2021-09-15T17:06:37 < drzacek> where you guys looking? last time I checked there was abundance of everything 2021-09-15T17:06:46 < Steffann> Desolder from some nucleos 2021-09-15T17:06:49 < catphish> everywhere 2021-09-15T17:06:54 < Steffann> Or use a nucleo 2021-09-15T17:07:04 < catphish> drzacek: if you have secret supplier, please spill the beans 2021-09-15T17:08:36 < drzacek> which one do you need? 2021-09-15T17:09:50 < catphish> well i've started designing with STM32F334K6 because it's what was somewhat available a few days ago and met my needs 2021-09-15T17:09:53 < drzacek> okay, so the f334 I see here are not available 2021-09-15T17:10:15 < catphish> but actually, almost ANY STM32 with CAN would be fine, ideally not ridiculously large 2021-09-15T17:10:30 < catphish> i mean, i prefer small legged ones that i can solder for prototyping 2021-09-15T17:11:14 * karlp turns on pllr _output_ bit so it can actually leave the pll and get to the sysclk mux... 2021-09-15T17:11:39 < catphish> but i'm now considering using an external CAN controller, to widen the choice of MCU 2021-09-15T17:11:44 < drzacek> okay so it got worse since I last checked 2021-09-15T17:11:56 < drzacek> checked the reichelt.de or mouser.de? 2021-09-15T17:12:12 < catphish> i'm primarily using mouser, cross checking with farnell (UK) 2021-09-15T17:12:24 < karlp> zyp: blinkenlaks: https://nc.beeroclock.net/s/Wgx5tjBboAFaCTo 2021-09-15T17:12:56 < catphish> mouser have 118 varieties of ST MCU in stock right now 2021-09-15T17:12:57 < drzacek> aw yiss, "expected delivery 13.07.2023" 2021-09-15T17:13:30 < drzacek> there are some available right away, but those seem a bit more exotic to me, but what do I know, I only know f103 and f411 2021-09-15T17:14:08 < catphish> there are *some* that stand out as great choices - STM32L031G6U6 they have 5k+ in stock, and only around £2 each 2021-09-15T17:14:32 < catphish> but since that chip is QFN and has no CAN, it's not what i was looking for 2021-09-15T17:16:06 < catphish> well, i'll get on and build my prototype with what i have on my desk, and worry about production later 2021-09-15T17:17:06 < catphish> plenty of through-hole parts if you're into that kind of thing :D not STM32 though 2021-09-15T17:22:47 < karlp> you clearly didn't learn much catphish :) 2021-09-15T17:22:54 < karlp> they're not available until they're in your hot little hands 2021-09-15T17:23:36 < catphish> which side generated the SWD clock? 2021-09-15T17:23:40 < catphish> *generates 2021-09-15T17:24:08 < zyp> karlp, nice :) 2021-09-15T17:25:05 < karlp> so.... to bolt freertos on to laks as a "nice" thin hal, 2021-09-15T17:25:15 < karlp> or to go all in on zyp's coro world.... 2021-09-15T17:25:48 < karlp> think I'm going to spin up a main loop first and try out my adc woes 2021-09-15T17:26:24 < aandrew> drzacek: what's STM32F411CE look like there 2021-09-15T17:26:25 < zyp> the coro stuff is cute but it's not that mature yet 2021-09-15T17:27:02 < zyp> as in, I've never used it in anything real yet, and the sandbox project got a bunch of uncommitted code still 2021-09-15T17:27:18 < drzacek> aandrew, gone 2021-09-15T17:28:40 < zyp> that said, there should be no issue doing both, you can schedule coros in a normal freertos thread 2021-09-15T17:28:57 < karlp> yeah, I'm inclinced to try and just drop freertos in. 2021-09-15T17:29:20 < karlp> probably need a little poking to hook up the irqs properly, 2021-09-15T17:29:30 < drzacek> what's with alibaba/aliexpress? 2021-09-15T17:29:31 < karlp> but just goignt o hack something up now by hand to test out this adc a bit more. 2021-09-15T17:31:32 < karlp> this APB1ENR1 and APB1ENR2 is already giving me pain though actually 2021-09-15T17:35:37 < karlp> hrm, naming the buses APB1_1 and APB1_2 in yaml and then making the rcc_reg structs have APB1_1ENR and APB1_2ENR instead of the "classic" APB1ENR1 and APB1ENR2 from the refman works... 2021-09-15T17:38:41 < aandrew> drzacek: so no special secret source then :-) 2021-09-15T17:38:58 < drzacek> nope 2021-09-15T17:39:26 < aandrew> zyp: what are "coros" in this context? 2021-09-15T17:39:57 < jpa-> coroutines 2021-09-15T17:41:38 < aandrew> ah advanced CS shits 2021-09-15T17:44:00 < aandrew> it seems like freertos would easily handle that with two tasks. if they're the only two then you've essentially got a coroutine setup, and if there's more then adjusting priorities and/or adjusting the others to sleep on a semaphore that the coroutines don't release until they want something else to run 2021-09-15T17:47:36 < karlp> yeah, but the CS nerds like zyp and thorn like the c++ closure tasitcal optimzations that are nominally achievable with them. 2021-09-15T17:48:50 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-15T17:59:36 < karlp> feature request for more naming: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/UOq5m :) 2021-09-15T17:59:47 < karlp> pretty cool that it complets just the one that is availabel though... 2021-09-15T18:03:15 < zyp> the advantages of coroutines over threads is that you don't need to worry about task stack allocation 2021-09-15T18:03:27 < karlp> zyp: ify ou show me what you did with the uart, I can maybe try converting shit like that, instead of expanding all the "legacy" stuff? 2021-09-15T18:03:32 < zyp> the disadvantage is that they are cooperative, not preemptive 2021-09-15T18:03:37 < zyp> sure 2021-09-15T18:05:59 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/commit/?h=dev_v2&id=9801227 2021-09-15T18:22:17 < karlp> that uart/uart.h has hard addresses in it, is that a generated file for the f4 then? 2021-09-15T18:22:30 < karlp> (I've added "this is generated" to all the generated files so I can keep track of them better ) 2021-09-15T18:24:13 < zyp> oh, fuck, did I commit a generated file 2021-09-15T18:24:19 < zyp> yup, my bad 2021-09-15T18:24:47 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/laks/commit/26895ef9a05ce8544faf8ae9b0559369af7caf4d 2021-09-15T18:24:52 < karlp> for instance :) 2021-09-15T18:25:06 < zyp> I've been meaning to move to a separate build dir so it's easier to gitignore temporaries like that 2021-09-15T18:25:18 < karlp> just more -I mangling though. 2021-09-15T18:25:44 < karlp> you could generate them all in a laks/ dir though, so the includes become easier to follow what they come from... 2021-09-15T18:26:45 < zyp> then again I'm planning to move to modules as soon as gcc-arm-embedded releases a version supporting that 2021-09-15T18:26:57 < zyp> gcc10 left out that part of c++20 :) 2021-09-15T18:27:10 * karlp doesn't even know what "modules" are. 2021-09-15T18:27:14 < karlp> sounds unncessary :) 2021-09-15T18:27:31 < zyp> .cpp/.h unification 2021-09-15T18:28:11 < zyp> it'll solve a lot of bullshit and any ambiguity of whether something goes in .cpp or .h 2021-09-15T18:28:49 < zyp> everything goes into .cppm, which results in what's effectively both an object file and a precompiled header 2021-09-15T18:37:16 < karlp> sounds like it will be alot harder to integrate with boring old C stuff :) 2021-09-15T18:48:20 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-15T18:49:40 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T18:50:02 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-15T19:05:42 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T19:05:42 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 2021-09-15T19:05:42 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T19:10:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-15T19:11:04 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T19:11:15 < karlp> zyp: scons help? https://paste.jvnv.net/view/6i9PP results in dmamux.h having just dmamux stuff, but dma.h has both dma1,dma2 and _also_ dmamux again, ? 2021-09-15T19:11:50 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-15T19:12:15 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T19:13:54 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@213.26.199.10] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T19:14:26 < karlp> hrm, better stash that real quick if I want to work on dma myself :) 2021-09-15T19:14:46 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-15T19:15:29 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-15T19:28:52 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T20:10:10 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-15T20:23:37 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T20:24:13 < kakium69> hello dear 2021-09-15T20:37:16 < bitmask> hello babe 2021-09-15T20:48:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T20:55:46 < Steffann> Yo brothers 2021-09-15T21:10:38 < zyp> karlp, you're appending to the list, rendering the template, appending more stuff and rendering again to a different file 2021-09-15T21:11:07 < zyp> I suggest just skipping line 18 and letting everything render into dma.h 2021-09-15T21:16:02 -!- guanche [~guanche@224.pool85-51-16.dynamic.orange.es] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T21:16:48 < guanche> Hi, how can I make openocd to open the ports to listen to GDB? I'm trying to debug a bluepill 2021-09-15T21:17:52 < PaulFertser> guanche: openocd does that by default 2021-09-15T21:18:10 < guanche> but I don't see any "listening on port XXX" message? 2021-09-15T21:18:17 < guanche> when openocd starts up I mean 2021-09-15T21:22:01 < guanche> I got it, thanks 2021-09-15T21:23:00 < bitmask> why is it so hard to make a dr appt 2021-09-15T21:25:03 < PaulFertser> guanche: what was the problem? 2021-09-15T21:27:25 < guanche> that I wasn't using gdb because I thougth the ports weren't open PaulFertser, haha 2021-09-15T21:27:58 < PaulFertser> guanche: but why OpenOCD didn't print that it opened the ports? Probably you're using an older version? 2021-09-15T21:28:55 < guanche> probably I don't know, it doesn't show any message of it opening, but if I launch telnet and gdb it works PaulFertser 2021-09-15T21:29:07 < PaulFertser> guanche: and what version is that? 2021-09-15T21:29:14 < guanche> I'm not used to openocd, so I can't really tell other than my version number 2021-09-15T21:29:17 < guanche> let me check 2021-09-15T21:29:37 < guanche> 0.10.0 PaulFertser 2021-09-15T21:29:51 < PaulFertser> guanche: ah, that's rather old by now. 0.11.0 was released a year ago. 2021-09-15T21:30:03 < PaulFertser> guanche: so probably 0.10.0 didn't print that message about gdb port back then. 2021-09-15T21:30:15 < guanche> ah, I think I installed it through pacman (msys on windows), probably 2021-09-15T21:33:28 < PaulFertser> Hm, I thought I've sent an updated to msys2 when 0.11.0 was released. 2021-09-15T21:34:37 < guanche> I can see PaulFertser, thanks, I'll update it now 2021-09-15T21:36:43 < PaulFertser> Yes, I have: https://github.com/msys2/MINGW-packages/commit/76a7a9911b101504cbe77320e64b9888d755a969 2021-09-15T21:36:44 < guanche> well, now it doesn't run 2021-09-15T21:37:50 < PaulFertser> guanche: use some pastebin show the log along with the invocation line etc 2021-09-15T21:38:14 < guanche> the thing is not even help works, it just returns. echo $? shows 127 2021-09-15T21:40:33 < guanche> https://pastebin.com/raw/HygZT4Mt 2021-09-15T21:41:33 < PaulFertser> guanche: probably you need other libraries updated too. 2021-09-15T21:42:02 < guanche> I'll have a look a openocd's dependencies 2021-09-15T21:42:04 < PaulFertser> libusb, libftdi, hidapi 2021-09-15T21:44:30 < guanche> that worked, thanks PaulFertser 2021-09-15T21:46:02 < PaulFertser> guanche: does it print gdb port now too? 2021-09-15T21:46:38 < guanche> yes PaulFertser, like outputs I can see out there 2021-09-15T21:47:03 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T21:47:40 < PaulFertser> guanche: ok, cool. I'm glad people are using msys2, I wasn't sure if I'm not wasting the time on that (as I'm not using windows myself at all) 2021-09-15T21:49:04 < guanche> sure PaulFertser, thanks. I'm not a windows user myself, but my laptop died, bought a new one with EFI, which I haven't had time to master so I got stuck on windows so far, haha 2021-09-15T21:49:20 < guanche> the first thing I looked for was for msys 2021-09-15T21:49:26 < PaulFertser> guanche: EFI is still better than BIOS ... 2021-09-15T21:49:48 < guanche> I know, but hand't had time to see how it works, to install and manage linux with it, etc 2021-09-15T21:49:53 < PaulFertser> guanche: and "bug.n"? ;) 2021-09-15T21:50:02 < guanche> what's that? haha 2021-09-15T21:50:15 < PaulFertser> Tiling window manager for windows 2021-09-15T21:50:42 < guanche> how nice, I'm looking at it on github, didn't know about it, thanks! 2021-09-15T21:51:01 < PaulFertser> guanche: you just boot a GNU/Linux installer _in EFI mode_, then install as usual, it copies the bootloader to EFI system partition, and the bootloaders for the other OSes are still kept and available there. 2021-09-15T21:52:05 < guanche> yes, but when I bougth it EFI support wasn't that spread, and apparently there were people not being able to install linux on some, so I just installed msys on windows 2021-09-15T21:52:40 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, whats the name of tiling wm for windows? 2021-09-15T21:52:46 < PaulFertser> guanche: when you bought it 10 years ago? 2021-09-15T21:52:48 < guanche> then I got into writing a type-library processor, and all the little free time I had, I've been spending it on that 2021-09-15T21:52:49 < mouseghost> oh, that bug.n? 2021-09-15T21:52:51 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: bug.n 2021-09-15T21:53:05 < mouseghost> looks so weird 2021-09-15T21:53:14 < guanche> no, like three years ago, but I said, I know nothing about EFI because I just haven't got into it 2021-09-15T21:54:00 < guanche> probably by February next year I'm gonna have some spare time, then I plan to get rid of windows here 2021-09-15T21:55:06 < guanche> besides, that I don't use to run distros, but to compile the whole thing since linux from scratch was born 2021-09-15T21:55:12 < guanche> haha, a little die hard 2021-09-15T21:55:50 < guanche> well, all minus inkscape and firefox, which I've compiled just once 2021-09-15T21:56:26 < PaulFertser> guanche: Gentoo should be inspiring enough for you 2021-09-15T21:57:31 < guanche> haha, or arch linux, which seems similar for what I've read 2021-09-15T21:58:54 < guanche> I'm so used to it, and to have the system and directories' hierarchy to my taste, without any package management, than it would be more time-consuming learning a distro than the way I do it 2021-09-15T21:59:05 < PaulFertser> guanche: nope, not at all. And arch linux forces you to update all the system in sync as its versioned dependencies are rather weak. 2021-09-15T21:59:22 < guanche> ah, well, haven't read much about it either to be honest 2021-09-15T22:02:43 < guanche> what's the best method to debug a device which is not enumerating properly? I've downloaded USBView, but doesn't give me too much info on the subject 2021-09-15T22:03:27 < zyp> it's hard to do with software only, generally the interesting information doesn't make it through the host controller 2021-09-15T22:03:32 < zyp> you want a bus analyzer 2021-09-15T22:03:41 < guanche> I can see `usbd_poll' being called, oh, I guess this question is more for libopenocm3, which is what I'm using 2021-09-15T22:04:11 < guanche> I can't see anything wrong in my code, which I copied from a github 2021-09-15T22:05:50 < bitmask> hehe https://youtu.be/KyCXdf1332U 2021-09-15T22:08:35 < PaulFertser> guanche: I suggest to use fully known code first, verbatim. 2021-09-15T22:09:46 < PaulFertser> guanche: using libopencm3 on blue pill, but old version: https://github.com/paulfertser/stm32-tx-hid 2021-09-15T22:13:00 < guanche> hey thanks PaulFertser, I'll try it now 2021-09-15T22:13:09 < kakium69> bitmask: something is wrong 2021-09-15T22:13:15 < bitmask> yup 2021-09-15T22:13:21 < bitmask> or is it? 2021-09-15T22:13:34 < kakium69> ye 2021-09-15T22:14:05 < srk> looks like art 2021-09-15T22:15:43 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-15T22:16:29 < kakium69> some translation went wrong 2021-09-15T22:17:16 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T22:18:11 < bitmask> my indices are fukd, easy fix one sec 2021-09-15T22:20:28 < Steffann> too late. 2021-09-15T22:21:14 < PaulFertser> guanche: btw, don't be lazy and solder the usb connector on blue pill properly before you break it off mechanically. 2021-09-15T22:28:57 < englishman> good advice 2021-09-15T22:29:21 < Steffann> Hows your latest esp32 project englishman? 2021-09-15T22:29:24 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2021-09-15T22:29:37 < englishman> i havent touched it in a while :( 2021-09-15T22:29:56 < englishman> i was drawing some lissajous then burned something i think 2021-09-15T22:33:23 < guanche> thanks PaulFertser, I didn't happen to think that could be a problem 2021-09-15T22:33:58 < PaulFertser> guanche: all bluepills I saw had mounting holes without solder, so really easy to rip off the connector. 2021-09-15T22:35:02 < guanche> I know usb works because I've been tracing up to certain functions, but yes, just to make sure I'm going to solder it properly to ensure good connection 2021-09-15T22:38:17 < PaulFertser> guanche: so does my binary enumerate? 2021-09-15T22:38:51 < guanche> haha, haven't yet got there PaulFertser, but it probably does 2021-09-15T23:10:54 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-09-15T23:12:00 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-15T23:13:48 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T23:13:50 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@213.26.199.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-15T23:28:16 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-15T23:41:05 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-15T23:47:06 < bitmask> holy fuck this shit is hard to debug --- Day changed Thu Sep 16 2021 2021-09-16T00:07:54 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/eGFyexNYYiw 2021-09-16T00:14:44 < aandrew> bitmask: no idea what I'm looking at there 2021-09-16T00:15:16 < bitmask> learning vulkan so im following some tutorials, just finished loading of obj models and displaying them 2021-09-16T00:15:28 < aandrew> what did the bug look like 2021-09-16T00:15:34 < bitmask> oh, one sec 2021-09-16T00:15:40 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-16T00:15:52 < bitmask> https://youtu.be/KyCXdf1332U 2021-09-16T00:17:33 < aandrew> oh wow 2021-09-16T00:17:37 < aandrew> how did you fix it 2021-09-16T00:17:40 < bitmask> heh 2021-09-16T00:18:05 < bitmask> one thing was using 16 bit floats and another was using 32 bit, just changed a 16 to 32 and all is well 2021-09-16T00:18:40 < bitmask> i got lucky, the tutorial has a comments section and someone had the same issue :) 2021-09-16T00:19:19 < zyp> karlp, I committed and pushed all the uncommitted stuff I had sitting around 2021-09-16T00:21:14 < karlp> cheers. I got timers and some adc stuff done, but that dma/dmamux double thing got me stuck there. 2021-09-16T00:21:29 < karlp> and adc is curently stuck waiting on calibration :| 2021-09-16T00:21:35 < karlp> missing something simple I'm sure :9 2021-09-16T00:21:54 < karlp> there's no platform yamls for l0 and f3 and shit though, so currently kinda left that off :) 2021-09-16T00:22:07 < zyp> check that you don't have to turn on power in syscfg or something :) 2021-09-16T00:22:14 < zyp> yeah, nbd 2021-09-16T00:22:26 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T00:22:52 < zyp> I'll cherry pick your stuff later and can fill in missing pieces as I go 2021-09-16T00:23:41 < karlp> no sweat, I'm force-pushing to that v2-wb branch as I go with some stuff at the moment, but most of its pretty little. 2021-09-16T00:24:12 < karlp> I could probably have just put dma and dmamux in different directories, but it seemed like it should also work in one. 2021-09-16T00:24:36 < zyp> put it all together, no need to keep that separate 2021-09-16T00:25:00 < zyp> ideally organization should become less stm32-centric 2021-09-16T00:25:29 < karlp> well, only reason to have it in a separate dir would be to fix whatever's wrong with jinja/scons 2021-09-16T00:25:59 < zyp> I commented on that further up, you're appending to a list, generating, appending more and generating again 2021-09-16T00:26:08 < karlp> ah sorry, only just sat down at the computer 2021-09-16T00:26:19 < zyp> and IMO the right solution is to just drop dmamux.h and have it instance DMAMUX in dma.h 2021-09-16T00:26:28 < zyp> no need to keep those in separate files 2021-09-16T00:27:21 < karlp> that sounds reasonable enough to me, 2021-09-16T00:27:30 < karlp> I have that code in a branch I didn't push, can try that tomorrow. 2021-09-16T00:28:00 < zyp> that effectively means you just drop line 18 and leave the rest 2021-09-16T00:28:33 -!- guanche [~guanche@224.pool85-51-16.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-16T00:29:39 < zyp> if you wanted to actually generate those as separate files, you'd copy lines 3-6 to around line 19 or so to empty the lists after the first file was generated 2021-09-16T00:30:23 < karlp> those ar eline numbers in the sconscript right? 2021-09-16T00:30:33 < zyp> line numbers from your paste 2021-09-16T00:30:34 < karlp> I definitely suspected appending, just couldn't figure out which bits were doing it. 2021-09-16T00:31:46 < zyp> also, 17:37:16 < karlp> sounds like it will be alot harder to integrate with boring old C stuff :) 2021-09-16T00:31:52 < zyp> that's not really true 2021-09-16T00:32:39 < zyp> you can still mix and match .cppm and .cpp/.h, and it's not like you can just include a C++ header in C directly 2021-09-16T00:33:41 < zyp> including C headers shouldn't be an issue, and making the good old extern "C" headers to let C code call C++ shouldn't be an issue either 2021-09-16T00:34:28 * karlp has no idea! 2021-09-16T00:34:40 < zyp> idk either 2021-09-16T00:35:15 < zyp> I messed around with the experimental support in clang a few years ago, and that was pretty experimental, I think the mechanisms around everything changed a bunch since then :) 2021-09-16T00:37:35 < karlp> how do your gdb plugins work compared to what you gave me this afternoon? 2021-09-16T00:38:16 < zyp> the stuff I gave you earlier is the same code I just committed 2021-09-16T00:39:04 < zyp> and then I already had committed the xmethods stuff that doesn't work because gdb is dumb 2021-09-16T00:40:15 < karlp> so none of that xmethods stuff works? is that meant to do it automatically? 2021-09-16T00:41:31 < karlp> whew, /me is reading gdb docs and it's going a bit over my head :) 2021-09-16T00:41:34 < zyp> yeah, the xmethods stuff lets you use operator* and operator-> directly from gdb, and it works if you make the instances non-constexpr so the compiler actually emits them to memory 2021-09-16T00:42:19 < zyp> but the whole point of mmio_ptr is to optimize that out, since the p-member is a compile time constant that can be folded 2021-09-16T00:43:18 < zyp> gdb still knows the value of the p-member, which is why the $mmio_ptr() function works, but since the instance itself is optimized out it refuses to invoke xmethods on it 2021-09-16T00:43:44 < zyp> I assume it's because the optimized instance doesn't have a this-value 2021-09-16T00:45:13 < zyp> I tried digging in the gdb source to see if I could work out how the lookup worked and patch it to invoke the xmethods anyway, but I didn't get anywhere with that before I got distracted by something else :) 2021-09-16T00:46:21 < zyp> IMO it should be possible to have gdb handle that sanely, because the xmethods themselves are happy as long as they can get the value of the p-member, they don't need the this-value 2021-09-16T00:47:33 < zyp> I'll revisit that later, but even if I managed to work that out and get a fix upstreamed, the workaround would have to stick around until the fixed version is mainstream :) 2021-09-16T00:49:59 < zyp> with that said, it might be possible to make a prettyprinter that at least allows printing it nicely 2021-09-16T00:54:19 < karlp> this afternoon I was motivated to work on it a bit tonight, but struggling with the girls to get them to bed has killed that good and proper 2021-09-16T00:54:58 < zyp> that happens :) 2021-09-16T01:00:07 < mawk> automate that away 2021-09-16T01:00:15 < mawk> make a robot-karlp to put them to sleep 2021-09-16T01:00:38 < mawk> that screams "GO TO SLEEP" in icelandish and makes a 19kHz mosquito noise until they are detected in their beds 2021-09-16T01:08:37 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-16T01:26:38 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn159.95-103-127.t-com.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-16T01:28:13 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn17.178-40-83.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T01:44:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-16T01:55:31 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-16T02:01:53 < karlp> lol 2021-09-16T02:27:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-16T02:48:05 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T03:03:04 < karlp> schweet, freertos running with laks. 2021-09-16T03:03:07 < karlp> that wasn't so bad... 2021-09-16T03:42:21 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/l2-simple/commit/107346e1db4cdbd20b53f42aac5b680786ffc069 for anyone playing at home... 2021-09-16T03:45:17 < karlp> zyp: is there any trick to get https://github.com/karlp/l2-simple/blob/main/main.cpp#L251 to inline? objdump seems to imply it has an explict branch there. 2021-09-16T03:45:28 < karlp> not a big deal in the scheme of things though... 2021-09-16T04:09:01 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-16T05:06:02 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-16T05:11:15 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T05:19:19 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T05:42:28 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-16T05:55:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-16T05:56:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T05:59:59 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@c-73-214-106-63.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-16T06:12:06 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T06:13:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-16T06:14:06 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T06:59:11 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.190.205.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-16T07:02:48 < steve__> karlp what hal are you using there? 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ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-16T08:48:09 < zyp> karlp, compiler would need to have access to the code for inlining 2021-09-16T08:49:00 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T08:52:30 < zyp> or I guess you could have freertos give the functions the correct symbol names, i.e. the mangled ones 2021-09-16T08:53:09 < zyp> bit ugly to have to do the translation manually, but should work the same as giving it any other C symbol name 2021-09-16T09:11:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-16T09:42:38 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T10:14:49 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T10:14:49 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-16T10:16:25 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-16T11:33:31 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T11:51:22 < zyp> karlp, I'm looking through your changes now 2021-09-16T11:52:06 < zyp> the linker script has a .bootinfo section that gets placed at the start of ram, so if you want to share memory with the bootloader you can just stick it in that section rather than tweaking the offset 2021-09-16T12:00:48 < karlp> zyp: yeah, I don'ðt mind you not pulling that bit, if anything it's a reminder to revisit it when I re-add the ST OTA bootloader support. 2021-09-16T12:01:19 < karlp> but for laks-app, yeah, putting it in .bootinfo shoujld be perfectly sufficient. 2021-09-16T12:01:47 < zyp> also, here's some stuff I did a couple of years ago: https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/commit/?h=stm32wb 2021-09-16T12:02:03 < zyp> I think you already did most of it except the ipcc 2021-09-16T12:03:43 < karlp> heh, I'd completely forgotten you did that too. 2021-09-16T12:04:02 < karlp> I found another bt stack last night that supprots ~shit heaps, and amongst others is stm32wb via the st LL drivers 2021-09-16T12:04:23 < karlp> so now I've got three reference implementations of how to run the HCI layer, I reckon it's ok to toss cube now :) 2021-09-16T12:04:33 < zyp> : 2021-09-16T12:04:35 < zyp> :) 2021-09-16T12:04:47 < karlp> (I would have remembered if you'd pushed your branches earlier ;) 2021-09-16T12:05:19 < zyp> yeah, I should get better at committing and pushing early 2021-09-16T12:06:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T12:06:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 2021-09-16T12:06:44 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T12:10:14 < zyp> here's another from the same pile: https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/commit/?h=nrf52 2021-09-16T12:35:57 < karlp> bleh, dma1/dma2: ~2uA/MHz. ok. but dmamux (required to be used with it): 4uA/MHz. that's quite a step up :) 2021-09-16T12:44:26 < zyp> hah 2021-09-16T12:44:51 < zyp> which MHz though? 2021-09-16T12:46:55 < karlp> no idea. presumably AHB1, as DMA1, DMA2 and DMAMUX are all there together 2021-09-16T13:32:00 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@195.181.24.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-16T13:44:21 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T13:45:45 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@86.105.143.133] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T15:09:24 < karlp> now... repeat after me, if your peripheral doesn't work on stm32, and you're new to this, what are you most likely to have forgotten to do? 2021-09-16T15:10:52 < PaulFertser> RCC? 2021-09-16T15:11:02 < karlp> "turn on the clocks" but yes, 2021-09-16T15:11:17 < karlp> in this case, newer parts with the second clock sel regs. 2021-09-16T15:11:23 < karlp> RCC peripherals independent clock configuration register 2021-09-16T15:11:36 < karlp> for some things, those default to something useful 2021-09-16T15:11:46 < karlp> for my adc it defaulted to: 00: No clock selected 2021-09-16T15:12:01 < karlp> so the registers all work and respond, it just didn't do anything :) 2021-09-16T15:38:28 < englishman> that’s what you get for not using STM32CubeMX Code Generation Tool 2021-09-16T15:48:40 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@86.105.143.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-16T15:49:15 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.190.217.130] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T16:31:55 < karlp> shush you. 2021-09-16T16:53:46 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2021-09-16T16:55:52 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T17:12:51 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T17:23:32 < kakium69> covid69 2021-09-16T17:27:43 < karlp> zyp: I'm not goign to try and convert gpio, there's f1 and nrf and shit there, and I'm not sure what you want to do with the methods in the .h file, so I've jsut gone "old style" for adding wb. 2021-09-16T17:36:22 < zyp> yeah, don't worry about that 2021-09-16T17:37:18 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T17:52:40 < karlp> I've rebased a lot and cleaned up again in that tree though :) 2021-09-16T17:53:11 < karlp> I've tried to put things that are less volatile at the beginning though. 2021-09-16T17:53:58 < karlp> dma and timers are working, in that the data is getting dma'd, but my dma interrupts aren't firing now. 2021-09-16T17:54:11 < karlp> timer interrupts did though so I've probably got a typo or something :) 2021-09-16T17:57:18 < karlp> or, you know, just completely left out enabling the interrupt... 2021-09-16T17:59:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T18:06:22 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-16T18:12:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T18:15:33 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-16T18:24:21 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T18:25:23 < zyp> :) 2021-09-16T18:29:51 < emeb> haha - went to the logs and clicked down the recursive libera/libera/libera/... rabbit hole. 2021-09-16T18:33:40 * karlp peers at jpa. 2021-09-16T18:34:54 < karlp> zyp: speaking of weird web things, that cgit instance of yours is still not really previewing long files? https://cgit.jvnv.net/cardio/tree/main.cpp for instance? 2021-09-16T18:35:23 < karlp> zyp: remind me again, volatile in c++20 will do ~nothign like what I expect it to be doing? 2021-09-16T18:36:21 < upgrdman> is an SSR the simple/reliable way to drive a load that may be AC or DC? 2021-09-16T18:42:33 < zyp> volatile in c++20 is like before, but you get warnings when you use operators like |= 2021-09-16T18:42:47 < zyp> i.e. everything but plain assignments are obsoleted 2021-09-16T18:43:39 < zyp> to emphasize the fact that the read and write are non atomic, so you've got no guarantee that the variable doesn't change between the read and write halves of the operation 2021-09-16T18:45:53 < karlp> hrm, shouldn't be the isssue then. I've got "simple" code like https://paste.jvnv.net/view/4WDm8 2021-09-16T18:46:11 < emeryth> upgrdman: not all SSRs can switch DC 2021-09-16T18:46:25 < karlp> and i've used that sort of thing before on L1 w/ libopencm3, and I can use gdb to set the variable and select which sample of the adc buffer to grab each time. 2021-09-16T18:46:41 < zyp> that should work fine 2021-09-16T18:47:10 < karlp> but for some reason if I select channel 3 or 4, I get this sort of shit: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/2uVDQ.png 2021-09-16T18:47:18 < karlp> and it's like kindex never goes back to zero. 2021-09-16T18:47:36 < karlp> at 5khz sampling, a 1k buffer should be wrapping 5 times a second 2021-09-16T18:47:47 < karlp> but it still leaves old data from another channel 2021-09-16T18:50:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-16T18:52:16 < karlp> like, wat: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/O2pr7 it goes back to 923?! 2021-09-16T18:53:00 < zyp> wat 2021-09-16T18:54:26 < zyp> you shouldn't even see it be 1024, since you're breaking at the ISR entry 2021-09-16T18:58:18 < karlp> yeah, wat indeed... 2021-09-16T19:00:58 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-16T19:02:25 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T19:02:25 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 2021-09-16T19:02:25 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T19:02:44 < karlp> any sneaky tips on writing out less than 32bits via ITM stimulus ports? 2021-09-16T19:02:51 < karlp> is just a union the accepted c++ way? 2021-09-16T19:02:58 < zyp> probably same trick as for the uart 2021-09-16T19:03:29 < zyp> also, > 1024 is wrong 2021-09-16T19:03:38 < zyp> should be >= 1024 or > 1023 2021-09-16T19:04:15 < zyp> and I guess the weird behavior might be the compiler seeing you're accessing past the end of the buffer and going «fuck that, I can do what I want then» 2021-09-16T19:04:48 < karlp> this is what I get for not bothering to copy the array_len macro from somewhere else... 2021-09-16T19:05:38 < zyp> ah, no, I'm dumb 2021-09-16T19:05:47 < zyp> kdata[1024] is kindex :p 2021-09-16T19:06:27 < zyp> not even the compiler fucking you, just writing past the end of the buffer 2021-09-16T19:06:39 < karlp> gah 2021-09-16T19:06:42 < karlp> thatmakes so much more sense 2021-09-16T19:06:59 < karlp> yeah, beautiful now. 2021-09-16T19:07:13 < karlp> added union stubs to your ITM shit I stole out of your sandbox works great. 2021-09-16T19:07:19 < karlp> much better bandwidth now :) 2021-09-16T19:07:33 < karlp> and fiddled the oocd config to actually speed up again after some flash op dropped down 2021-09-16T19:07:41 < karlp> and new fw seems to do 4MHz now too. 2021-09-16T19:13:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-16T19:19:46 < catphish> does atmega have a sexy pin planning tool like stm32 cube? 2021-09-16T19:20:02 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-16T19:22:24 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T19:49:07 < karlp> fuck I love being able to overload functions with different params in c++ 2021-09-16T19:56:28 < jpa-> done with rust already? 2021-09-16T19:57:16 < karlp> yeah, last week. 2021-09-16T19:57:25 < karlp> too much pain to do simple things, even if some neat things were neat. 2021-09-16T19:57:57 < karlp> curently peering at WB's ADC and wondering why I'm not getting better data. 2021-09-16T20:01:01 < karlp> like, internal temp sensor is doing this: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/gfXbQ.png 2021-09-16T20:01:20 < karlp> and that's after disabling tickless idle, turning off all leds, shouldn't be any variable power consumption. 2021-09-16T20:03:45 < karlp> vrefint is pretty shit too, which probably explains it. https://bin.jvnv.net/file/DUvKa.png 2021-09-16T20:04:05 < karlp> I expect that sort of variation from experience on L1, but only if current draw is actually changing meaningfully. 2021-09-16T20:04:23 < karlp> not really expecting that on a nucleo with no leds on, no radio, no power saving modes turned on. 2021-09-16T20:05:39 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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2021-09-16T20:51:35 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:c514:5161:1b15:f815] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T21:03:54 < mawk> zyp: my colleagues removed my force push rights 2021-09-16T21:03:58 < mawk> because I did it too much 2021-09-16T21:04:00 < zyp> aww 2021-09-16T21:04:29 < mawk> why are you using lighttpd 2021-09-16T21:04:36 < mawk> btw cgit is a project done by zx2c4 2021-09-16T21:04:39 < mawk> the same guy as wireguard 2021-09-16T21:04:47 < mawk> it's pretty cool 2021-09-16T21:04:53 < mawk> but it's minimalist; have you looked at gitlab??? 2021-09-16T21:06:50 < mawk> zyp: 2021-09-16T21:07:19 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-16T21:07:24 < zyp> yeah, but I'm not sure there's a benefit from self hosting really 2021-09-16T21:07:48 < mawk> benefit = not being the little sex slave of Microsoft Corporation 2021-09-16T21:08:02 < zyp> meh 2021-09-16T21:08:06 < mawk> also at a time when github wasn't free, the benefit was private repos 2021-09-16T21:08:21 < mawk> and if you have a team, then you still have benefits with self-hosting 2021-09-16T21:08:26 < zyp> only reason I'm self hosting is because I've been doing that since before github were around 2021-09-16T21:08:31 < mawk> you can have your own org with all the features that github pro offers, for free 2021-09-16T21:08:44 < Steffanx> FREE 2021-09-16T21:08:46 < mawk> yes 2021-09-16T21:08:47 < mouseghost> theres also atlassian 2021-09-16T21:08:49 < Steffanx> Gratis. 2021-09-16T21:08:54 < mawk> mouseghost: that's far from free 2021-09-16T21:09:00 < mouseghost> i thought they had 5 free repos? 2021-09-16T21:09:01 < mawk> yes Steffanx 100% gratis 2021-09-16T21:09:03 < mawk> kostlos 2021-09-16T21:09:05 < mouseghost> private 2021-09-16T21:09:07 < mawk> ah maybe mouseghost 2021-09-16T21:09:15 < mawk> but everyone here has PTSD from bitbucket 2021-09-16T21:09:20 < mawk> so nobody uses it for their own usage 2021-09-16T21:09:24 < mouseghost> ah 2021-09-16T21:09:27 < zyp> but whatever, not gonna mess around with that now 2021-09-16T21:09:40 < mouseghost> tbh you dont really need anything to host a copy of the repo in git/hg so.. 2021-09-16T21:09:52 < mouseghost> theres also srht 2021-09-16T21:09:55 < mouseghost> but i prefer cgit front 2021-09-16T21:10:01 < mawk> nobody uses mercurial 2021-09-16T21:10:03 < mawk> yes use cgit 2021-09-16T21:10:08 < mawk> do not use srht or whatevr that is 2021-09-16T21:10:11 < mawk> support my friend jaso 2021-09-16T21:10:11 < mawk> n 2021-09-16T21:10:15 < mouseghost> json? 2021-09-16T21:10:30 < mouseghost> mawk, the wg guy is your friend? 2021-09-16T21:10:37 < mouseghost> i kinda use mercurial, its pretty cozy 2021-09-16T21:10:49 < mawk> not like real friend, but I talked to him before 2021-09-16T21:11:01 < mouseghost> irl? 2021-09-16T21:11:02 < mawk> I know his address 2021-09-16T21:11:05 < mawk> no 2021-09-16T21:11:12 < mawk> but I've been in front of his house once 2021-09-16T21:11:15 < mawk> by accident, I'm not a stalker 2021-09-16T21:11:26 < mouseghost> right...... 2021-09-16T21:11:38 < mawk> I was walking in paris, and I saw the street sign when looking up 2021-09-16T21:11:41 < mawk> and it was his street 2021-09-16T21:11:52 < mouseghost> street of jason? 2021-09-16T21:11:53 < mouseghost> hm 2021-09-16T21:11:55 < mawk> yes 2021-09-16T21:12:10 < mawk> it's because I contributed a bit to wireguard, his main project 2021-09-16T21:12:17 < mouseghost> oh 2021-09-16T21:12:33 < mouseghost> i wanted to get some stickers or a postcard from jason, but he never replied 2021-09-16T21:12:39 < Steffanx> Awh 2021-09-16T21:13:02 < mouseghost> but i dont blame him 2021-09-16T21:13:11 < Steffanx> I know the address of the guy that knows Jason's address. You can send him a postcard 2021-09-16T21:13:18 < mouseghost> wireguard is very, very, very, very awesome 2021-09-16T21:13:31 < mouseghost> will he send me one back? 2021-09-16T21:13:41 < Steffanx> Idk. Will you mawk? 2021-09-16T21:13:50 < mawk> send the email again mouseghost 2021-09-16T21:13:55 < mawk> he sends them all the time 2021-09-16T21:13:55 < mouseghost> oh!!! 2021-09-16T21:14:04 < mouseghost> do you think hed send a postcard? 2021-09-16T21:14:10 < mawk> I don't know 2021-09-16T21:14:11 < mawk> but a sticker yes 2021-09-16T21:14:16 < mawk> maybe a postcard yes 2021-09-16T21:14:23 < mawk> if you say "I know mawk" maybe 2021-09-16T21:14:26 < mouseghost> he sends them for free, right? 2021-09-16T21:14:53 < mawk> yes 2021-09-16T21:15:07 < mouseghost> owo!!! 2021-09-16T21:15:20 < mouseghost> wireguard is awesome indeeeed 2021-09-16T21:15:25 < mouseghost> ive used it multiple times 2021-09-16T21:15:31 < mawk> I ported it to android 10 when it came out 2021-09-16T21:15:33 < mouseghost> maybe i should also write a guide on how to use it 2021-09-16T21:16:48 < Steffanx> Ohno. Should I remove the app now, mawk? 2021-09-16T21:17:13 < mouseghost> Steffanx, too late 2021-09-16T21:17:54 < Steffanx> :( 2021-09-16T21:19:37 < mawk> :( 2021-09-16T21:20:01 < mawk> I did only adaptations to make the kernel driver work on android 10 Steffanx 2021-09-16T21:20:04 < mawk> not the userspace driver 2021-09-16T21:20:16 < Steffanx> Ah 2021-09-16T21:21:23 < mouseghost> mawk, in adnroid or wg tree? 2021-09-16T21:28:23 < mawk> wg tree mouseghost 2021-09-16T21:28:26 < mawk> are you trying to stalk me? 2021-09-16T21:28:34 < mouseghost> nah 2021-09-16T21:28:40 < mouseghost> just asking out of curiosity 2021-09-16T21:28:44 < mawk> it was at the time the wg kernel driver wasn't in mainline linux 2021-09-16T21:28:54 < mawk> so it was a .ko object we compiled and loaded at runtime 2021-09-16T21:29:14 < mawk> hmm no actually 2021-09-16T21:29:22 < mawk> you needed to modify your ROM to add the kernel driver 2021-09-16T21:29:27 < mawk> so, recompile the kernel of your android phone 2021-09-16T21:29:38 < mawk> perfect for showing to your friends how great a hacker you are 2021-09-16T21:30:04 < mawk> but then someone added support for the runtime loading thing 2021-09-16T21:32:51 < mouseghost> hm 2021-09-16T21:32:52 < mouseghost> complicated 2021-09-16T21:32:57 < zyp> karlp, merged all your stuff with a few changes: https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/log/?h=dev_v2 2021-09-16T21:33:03 < mouseghost> i do have lineage os and thats about it 2021-09-16T21:33:04 < mouseghost> had* 2021-09-16T21:33:06 < mouseghost> now i have iphone 2021-09-16T21:34:03 < zyp> I fixed the APB1_1 stuff properly, removed that four byte memory offset, renamed the union members to u32/u16/u8 and did some other minor fixups 2021-09-16T21:36:41 < mawk> you don't like std::uint8_t and stuff zyp ?? 2021-09-16T21:40:03 < zyp> I like u32/u16/u8 over w/h/b 2021-09-16T21:41:59 < Fleck> ok so, my old problem, vecstate says it's busfault... 2021-09-16T21:44:44 < Fleck> https://p.rullz.lv/epeduruqok.shell 2021-09-16T21:47:10 < zyp> which chip is this? 2021-09-16T21:48:02 < Fleck> h743VIT6 2021-09-16T21:50:22 < zyp> I'm not sure what to trust in your paste, but it looks like it crashes during a malloc() call 2021-09-16T21:50:32 < zyp> have you configured the heap correctly? 2021-09-16T21:52:08 < Fleck> well, before I tried malloc endlessly, never crashed, just started to return NULL when mem was full, but still working, if that answers your q. 2021-09-16T21:54:23 < zyp> before what? what did you change to make it crash? :) 2021-09-16T21:54:44 < Fleck> before... another day 2021-09-16T21:56:08 < qyx> wait what 2021-09-16T21:56:18 < qyx> are you mallocing in isr? 2021-09-16T21:56:37 < Fleck> not me as you can see... HAL functions ;) 2021-09-16T21:57:07 < qyx> is it in an rtos env? 2021-09-16T21:57:22 < qyx> is their malloc even tjread safe? 2021-09-16T21:57:44 < zyp> no, it's not 2021-09-16T21:58:20 < zyp> at least the stacked PSR has IPSR=0, but I'm not 100% sure IPSR is stacked 2021-09-16T21:59:08 < Fleck> no rtos 2021-09-16T21:59:26 < mawk> are you calling hal functions yourself in the isr Fleck? 2021-09-16T21:59:38 < mawk> or is it an hal isr that does it 2021-09-16T21:59:50 < zyp> but when gdb is talking about corrupt stack, I'd be careful not to read too much into unreliable information 2021-09-16T22:00:33 < zyp> Fleck, is this crashing randomly or deterministic every time? 2021-09-16T22:01:53 < zyp> if you actually are mallocing from an ISR, you might hit an ISR while other code is also mallocing or freeing with the heap metadata in an inconsistent state 2021-09-16T22:02:52 < Fleck> randomly, seems like, before this crash was working for ~2 weeks, this time ~5 days 2021-09-16T22:13:06 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-16T22:13:06 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T22:14:41 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-16T22:19:10 < mawk> answer the questions Fleck 2021-09-16T22:19:14 < mawk> we have the means to make you talk 2021-09-16T22:19:32 < zyp> okay, that might actually be the issue then 2021-09-16T22:20:47 < zyp> crashing once every few days is a plausible symptom for a malloc race 2021-09-16T22:23:25 < qyx> what did misra teach you 2021-09-16T22:23:42 < mawk> how to ignore warnings with inline comments 2021-09-16T22:23:46 < Fleck> mawk: I am not, I am however using 3rd party libs, but, txtsearching for malloc, I don't get leads... 2021-09-16T22:24:04 < mawk> so you left the default HAL ISRs 2021-09-16T22:24:08 < mawk> that in turn call your callbacks 2021-09-16T22:24:19 < mawk> the callbacks for peripheral events run in ISR you have to remember it 2021-09-16T22:24:32 < Fleck> yees 2021-09-16T22:24:34 < mawk> also some things will call malloc under the hood, for instance printf 2021-09-16T22:24:47 < mawk> for %f 2021-09-16T22:24:52 < mawk> and other stuff 2021-09-16T22:25:23 < Fleck> meh 2021-09-16T22:26:52 < Fleck> and String var; ... var = String(...); ? 2021-09-16T22:28:01 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T23:11:52 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T23:19:08 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T23:25:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T23:27:03 < Fleck> https://p.rullz.lv/udilazewix.md << I understand this correctly, RAM_D2 is used for heap and stack? 2021-09-16T23:27:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-16T23:27:17 < Fleck> if so, RAM_D2 seems to be full of stuff --- Day changed Fri Sep 17 2021 2021-09-17T00:17:56 < bitmask> wellll i just bought a few c++ books, i gotta up my game 2021-09-17T00:21:12 < specing> a few?! 2021-09-17T00:22:36 < bitmask> yup 2021-09-17T00:23:10 < bitmask> Effective C++ 3rd Ed by Scott Meyers 2021-09-17T00:23:10 < bitmask> Effective Modern C++ by Scott Meyers 2021-09-17T00:23:10 < bitmask> C++ Coding Standards by Sutter 2021-09-17T00:28:00 < mouseghost> sutek in polish is a nipple 2021-09-17T00:30:17 < bitmask> just bought another :P 2021-09-17T00:30:18 < bitmask> Exceptional C++ by Sutter 2021-09-17T00:30:25 < bitmask> $7 shipped 2021-09-17T00:30:35 < bitmask> theres one more im considering then im done 2021-09-17T00:50:58 < zyp> karlp, fixed gpio as well 2021-09-17T00:56:36 < specing> oh, $7 books 2021-09-17T01:04:03 < aandrew> https://ibb.co/tQS72H9 put some shelving up. 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The single rail/slot edition? 2021-09-17T13:06:57 < karlp> this shits: aandrew | https://ibb.co/tQS72H9 put some shelving up 2021-09-17T13:07:17 < karlp> because later: https://twitter.com/akohlsmith/status/1438674738658828288 2021-09-17T13:10:27 < Steffanx> Aha 2021-09-17T13:11:48 < Steffanx> I never managed to do that, had shelves like that for years. Decades. And the only thing that bends is the shelve itself. 2021-09-17T13:12:37 < Steffanx> But then the rails are almost from floor to roof. And I don't use the bottom of the rail/slots like that 2021-09-17T13:12:49 < Steffanx> Top. Roof. Whatever 2021-09-17T13:14:34 < karlp> eh, I've never installed them myself, but I've removed multiple bent/broken ones like that 2021-09-17T13:20:57 < Steffanx> But yeah, what the guy on twatter says 2021-09-17T13:21:15 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-17T13:22:19 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-17T13:23:45 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-17T13:39:47 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-17T13:39:50 < karlp> I decded that there was no real chance I would ever _really_ reconfigure heights of shelves, so I just used proper steel brackets and put them in place. 2021-09-17T14:05:24 < karlp> zyp: is there a magic $mmio_ptr thing to allow _setting_ in gdb? 2021-09-17T14:05:31 < karlp> >>> set ITM->TER[0] = 3 2021-09-17T14:05:33 < karlp> Attempt to take address of value not located in memory. 2021-09-17T14:06:07 < karlp> >>> set *$mmio_ptr(ITM)->TER[0] = 3 doesn't complain, but also doesn't do anything... 2021-09-17T14:06:24 < karlp> ooh set $mmio_ptr(ITM)->TER[0] = 3 worked. 2021-09-17T14:11:53 < karlp> wtf, my trace is gone again 2021-09-17T14:12:04 * karlp reads scrollback. what did I miss now?! 2021-09-17T14:12:35 < karlp> ahh right, no, it's openocd master being busted 2021-09-17T14:38:10 < jpa-> luls, UK is moving from kg back to lbs and ounces :D 2021-09-17T14:38:50 < jpa-> and their government considers that as one of the *benefits* they get from brexit 2021-09-17T14:56:20 < zyp> wat 2021-09-17T15:02:08 < BrainDamage> I feel like at this point the uk gov is brainstorming ideas about what could bring back the "good old times" and randomly picking one 2021-09-17T15:02:31 < BrainDamage> how soon until they try to attempt colonialism back? 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Even when there is electricity involved? 2021-09-19T19:57:28 < Steffanx> "i'm sure a boring childhood will make him more creative" .. lol. poor kid. 2021-09-19T19:58:01 < Steffanx> Time to kick him out and see how creative he gets? 2021-09-19T19:58:08 < jpa-> probably would be fine with current limited power supply, but so far haven't done anything on that front 2021-09-19T19:59:16 < Steffanx> He'll figure out how to disable the current limit faster than you think.. if he's a smart as his dad. :P 2021-09-19T19:59:25 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-19T19:59:28 < Steffanx> or smarter 2021-09-19T19:59:56 < jpa-> probably 2021-09-19T20:00:10 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-19T20:00:11 < jpa-> in all electronics games the favourite part is making components catch fire 2021-09-19T20:00:14 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-19T20:00:25 < Steffanx> Yes, is bitmask's work on fire yet? 2021-09-19T20:00:33 < jpa-> it is 2021-09-19T20:00:39 < bitmask> ? 2021-09-19T20:04:09 < Steffanx> Jpa-: You're much cheerful today. Is one of those boring Sundays again? 2021-09-19T20:04:22 < jpa-> yes 2021-09-19T20:04:57 < Steffanx> Aw 2021-09-19T20:30:06 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn17.178-40-83.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-19T20:30:11 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-19T20:30:27 < catphish> well, i finished my design, and it doesn't use an stm32 :o 2021-09-19T20:34:12 < Steffanx> esp32? 2021-09-19T20:36:43 < mawk> 100% analog 2021-09-19T20:36:45 < mawk> like in 1990 2021-09-19T20:36:59 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiBX-ESFDF0 sunday mosics 2021-09-19T20:37:32 < Steffanx> pass 2021-09-19T20:38:13 < kakium69> don't like voice of Gwen? 2021-09-19T20:38:37 < catphish> Steffanx: AVR8, it's always there, like a warm blanket when you get stuck 2021-09-19T20:39:40 < Steffanx> Isnt the SAMwhatever family available as well? 2021-09-19T20:39:49 < Steffanx> id rather use than than AVR. 2021-09-19T20:40:27 < catphish> i'm actually using a new AVR, seems a little more competent, but only 8 bit 2021-09-19T20:41:07 < kakium69> new AVR 8bits are the shit 2021-09-19T20:41:14 < kakium69> so much more torque 2021-09-19T20:41:18 < kakium69> so very modern 2021-09-19T20:41:23 < kakium69> peripherals 2021-09-19T20:41:42 < kakium69> atmel studio so cozy 2021-09-19T20:42:09 < catphish> i haven't tried them yet, the one wire debug / programming looks cool 2021-09-19T20:43:10 < catphish> otherwise, nothing special, but available, which suits me nicely, had to use an SPI CAN interface though 2021-09-19T20:43:29 < kakium69> AVR / SAM debugger is must 2021-09-19T20:43:41 < kakium69> it's like 60 or 80eur 2021-09-19T20:44:06 < catphish> software? hardware? both together? 2021-09-19T20:44:12 < kakium69> hardware 2021-09-19T20:44:15 < kakium69> software is free 2021-09-19T20:45:03 < catphish> i was a little confused by the new UPDI, it appears to just be a UART, and people program them with USB UART cables, but i'm guessing that won't work with atlel's software? 2021-09-19T20:45:54 < catphish> i assume you're talking about ATMEL-ICE? looks like it's probably worth getting 2021-09-19T20:46:05 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-19T20:46:30 < kakium69> and ofc usb-uart wont work with atmel studio 2021-09-19T20:46:33 < catphish> £116 british dollars though :( 2021-09-19T20:46:51 < kakium69> there is board only version 2021-09-19T20:46:57 < Steffanx> hmm, i recall it used to be much cheaper 2021-09-19T20:47:02 < kakium69> me too 2021-09-19T20:47:13 < kakium69> under huntrett dolards 2021-09-19T20:47:22 < Steffanx> yeah 2021-09-19T20:47:36 < kakium69> board only version was under fiftti 2021-09-19T20:47:38 < catphish> maybe this https://uk.farnell.com/microchip/atatmel-ice-basic/debugger-atmel-arm-avr-basic-kit/dp/2407172 2021-09-19T20:48:01 < Steffanx> i my mind it was more like 50ish 2021-09-19T20:48:03 < Steffanx> but.. idk 2021-09-19T20:48:18 < catphish> that's not a board, that's the full thing just without accessories 2021-09-19T20:48:35 < kakium69> the wire harness is worth the extra moneys 2021-09-19T20:49:03 < kakium69> oh wow 2021-09-19T20:49:05 < kakium69> price is up 2021-09-19T20:49:13 < catphish> sure looks like it 2021-09-19T20:49:15 < kakium69> definitelly 2021-09-19T20:49:17 < catphish> inflation innit 2021-09-19T20:49:24 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-19T20:49:37 < kakium69> it will be 2000dollards in 1year 2021-09-19T20:49:40 < kakium69> better buy now 2021-09-19T20:49:41 < catphish> £118 + VAT, gay 2021-09-19T20:50:00 < mawk> register a shell company, skip the VAT 2021-09-19T20:50:28 < catphish> actually, the person paying for this project is already VAT registered, he can buy it for me :) 2021-09-19T20:50:56 < catphish> why no chinese clones yet :( 2021-09-19T20:51:08 < Steffanx> oh lol, the only SAM with CAN (SAMC21) isnt available either. 2021-09-19T20:51:14 < Steffanx> the other SAMs are 2021-09-19T20:51:22 < catphish> yeah, i gave up on MCU with CAN 2021-09-19T20:52:07 < kakium69> infineon XMC1300 2021-09-19T20:52:33 < kakium69> it will be fun. try it 2021-09-19T20:52:37 < catphish> ooo 5V ARM 2021-09-19T20:52:42 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-19T20:52:53 < kakium69> 1100 / 1300 is 5V arm yes 2021-09-19T20:53:00 < kakium69> 4000 series is not 2021-09-19T20:53:08 < mawk> for when you need that extra power consumption 2021-09-19T20:53:28 < kakium69> as if you are going to step down from 5v 2021-09-19T20:53:33 < kakium69> anyways 2021-09-19T20:53:57 < mawk> my battery is 3.4V 2021-09-19T20:54:09 < catphish> lol, in my case i'd be using a linear regulator to throw away the other 1.7V anyway 2021-09-19T20:54:50 < kakium69> low Iq linear regulator right? 2021-09-19T20:55:15 < catphish> the only thing that's low Iq is mw 2021-09-19T20:55:17 < catphish> *me 2021-09-19T20:55:48 < catphish> but no, i'm powering this from a car, i don't care how much power i burn :) 2021-09-19T20:56:16 < kakium69> EV car right 2021-09-19T20:56:21 < catphish> yes 2021-09-19T20:56:37 < catphish> but i don't think my MCU will have much impact on battery life 2021-09-19T20:56:52 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-19T20:56:59 < catphish> i will put a buck regulator in the final version though 2021-09-19T20:57:01 < kakium69> it's more likelly that LDO burns more 2021-09-19T20:57:05 < kakium69> by itself 2021-09-19T20:57:23 < catphish> right now i'm burning 7v by running my 5v logic off the 12v car supply 2021-09-19T20:57:38 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-19T20:57:41 < kakium69> but how much current 2021-09-19T20:58:14 < kakium69> MAX16910 is nice automotive LDO 2021-09-19T20:58:28 < catphish> prototype #1 https://i.imgur.com/LiYVNAM.png - totally overkill - digital and analog inputs, CAN, rotary encoder, 3 dials 2021-09-19T20:58:48 < catphish> it's messy but i can find out if the thing will work or not 2021-09-19T20:59:11 < kakium69> I knew that you were doin gauge cluster 2021-09-19T20:59:28 < catphish> it's not just for EV, the person i'm developing it with wants to do replacement gauges for classic cars 2021-09-19T20:59:43 < catphish> so this prototype has a crazy amount of options to demo for different use cases 2021-09-19T20:59:54 < mawk> power down the thing when the car isn't rolling 2021-09-19T21:00:13 < catphish> also has a UART connector for a GPS module 2021-09-19T21:00:50 < kakium69> catphish: then you cannot piss amps away if it's constantly powered 2021-09-19T21:01:20 < kakium69> from lead acid 2021-09-19T21:01:21 < catphish> it'll definitely need a way to shut down, i haven't cared about that yet, in classic cars it'll run off the ignition, in EVs i'll probably want to be smarter 2021-09-19T21:01:52 < kakium69> or just low Iq it and make it sleep and shut down all tranceivers and actuators 2021-09-19T21:01:58 < mawk> put a battery on it to power it when the car isn't rolling 2021-09-19T21:02:11 < mawk> and when it's rolling the lead acid recharges anyway 2021-09-19T21:02:24 < catphish> it really doesn't need to be on when the car isn't armed 2021-09-19T21:02:29 < mawk> why 2021-09-19T21:02:32 < catphish> so probably just a switch 2021-09-19T21:02:33 < mawk> what about fuel gauge 2021-09-19T21:02:39 < kakium69> clock display 2021-09-19T21:02:48 < mawk> yeah 2021-09-19T21:02:52 < catphish> i've never owned a car where those things work when the car is off 2021-09-19T21:03:23 < mawk> maybe you're stuck in 1970 2021-09-19T21:03:34 < kakium69> all cars I have seen have some sort of power on gauge cluster all the time 2021-09-19T21:03:43 < catphish> but no, it's not that "digital", when it's off, the fuel gauge doesn't need to move, and neither does the speedometer 2021-09-19T21:03:58 < mawk> you said you were replacing the gauges catphish 2021-09-19T21:04:06 < catphish> if there's a need for permanent power, then i'll need to be smarter 2021-09-19T21:04:08 < mawk> so old fuel gauge is gone 2021-09-19T21:04:26 < catphish> fuel gauge doesn't need to move when car isn't running / armed 2021-09-19T21:04:35 < kakium69> I have not seen car to have fuel gauge work without ignition 2021-09-19T21:04:45 < catphish> but i get it, if there's a need for something to run all the time, i'll add a sleep mod 2021-09-19T21:04:46 < kakium69> but clock and mileage 2021-09-19T21:05:55 < catphish> mileage will probably be mechanical, fuck knows about a clock, i'll ask :) this device won't have an LCD, that's kind of a design goal, plenty of people sell gauges with LCDs, this thing is supposed to be old school 2021-09-19T21:06:11 < kakium69> then it's good 2021-09-19T21:06:43 < catphish> old cars had a purely mechanical speedometer and techometer, that's what i'm supposed to be replicating 2021-09-19T21:06:43 < kakium69> are those leds limiter lights? 2021-09-19T21:06:49 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-19T21:06:59 < catphish> LEDs are for things like headlights and turn signals 2021-09-19T21:07:35 < kakium69> suspisious lack of passives around U3 I assume is can tranceiver 2021-09-19T21:07:58 < kakium69> is it? 2021-09-19T21:07:58 < catphish> yes U3 is can transceiver 2021-09-19T21:08:14 < catphish> it basically just has a single decoupling capacitor 2021-09-19T21:08:16 < kakium69> usually there is like a christmas tree of passives in can lines 2021-09-19T21:08:29 < catphish> U2 is the CAN line driver 2021-09-19T21:08:39 < catphish> R3 is terminating resistor 2021-09-19T21:08:56 < kakium69> ah still sus 2021-09-19T21:09:18 < kakium69> no biasing circuit? 2021-09-19T21:09:23 < catphish> ATA6560 2021-09-19T21:10:20 < catphish> the example application has some biasing resistors that i don't have 2021-09-19T21:10:26 < catphish> interesting! 2021-09-19T21:10:32 < catphish> https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/20005991B.pdf 2021-09-19T21:11:15 < catphish> kakium69: thanks for looking, i'll check on that 2021-09-19T21:11:57 < kakium69> nice it has robust transient resilience 2021-09-19T21:12:07 < kakium69> apparently no need for external components 2021-09-19T21:12:54 < catphish> yeah, it looked super simple to use, but i do appear to have missed some biasing resistors 2021-09-19T21:13:12 < kakium69> external TVS 2021-09-19T21:14:06 < kakium69> is there any values there? 2021-09-19T21:15:37 < Steffanx> circular displays are cool though 2021-09-19T21:16:30 < Steffanx> 3.4 inch. 800x800 pixels or something. 2021-09-19T21:16:44 < kakium69> only oled ones 2021-09-19T21:18:00 < Steffanx> sure 2021-09-19T21:18:00 < catphish> do they come that big now? that would be pretty cool 2021-09-19T21:18:13 < catphish> when i last looked they were only 2" for watches 2021-09-19T21:19:11 < kakium69> last time I looked there were only ~1.3" oleds for watches 2021-09-19T21:19:17 < Steffanx> nah no oled. 2021-09-19T21:19:39 < catphish> kakium69: i think that's what i mean actually 2021-09-19T21:19:48 < catphish> far too small for my application 2021-09-19T21:20:19 < catphish> my finished product will hopefully look more like https://thegaugeshop.com/WebRoot/Store15/Shops/77fe249f-a52b-4600-9f9c-6a9562f88a93/543B/BA3D/F725/EC44/397A/0A48/3538/7363/804832654161_m.png 2021-09-19T21:20:32 < catphish> but for now i want to experiment with the tech :) 2021-09-19T21:20:35 < Steffanx> 3.4 inch isnt so bad, but no oled. 2021-09-19T21:20:48 < mawk> use square display and cardboard mask in front of it 2021-09-19T21:20:55 < Steffanx> ugly. 2021-09-19T21:21:05 < catphish> that's tempting, but useless in a round enclosure :( 2021-09-19T21:21:47 < kakium69> mawk: if you can physically use rectangle display then it's likelly superior 2021-09-19T21:21:59 < kakium69> for price for quality 2021-09-19T21:24:11 < kakium69> yes 1.39" oled is still the biggest one in ali 2021-09-19T21:24:45 < qyx> what are ve reviewing? 2021-09-19T21:25:03 < kakium69> we chats 2021-09-19T21:25:07 < qyx> och such a sparse board 2021-09-19T21:30:42 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-19T22:19:10 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-19T22:25:56 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-19T22:25:56 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-19T22:27:35 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-19T22:34:13 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-19T23:02:09 < kakium69> gauge clusters are mainly empty pcb 2021-09-19T23:06:37 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-19T23:06:48 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-19T23:28:44 < kakium69> hello night 2021-09-19T23:31:03 < catphish> night welcomes you 2021-09-19T23:33:53 < kakium69> night - my old friend 2021-09-19T23:34:40 < kakium69> what is your LDO cost catphish? 2021-09-19T23:36:25 < catphish> kakium69: i really just chose a linear regulator at random - this one https://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/l7805cdt-tr/linear-volt-reg-5v-1-5a-to-252/dp/2849717 2021-09-19T23:36:40 < catphish> no thought was given to this, i just wanted 5v for a prototype :) 2021-09-19T23:38:05 < kakium69> did you calculate power dissipation? 2021-09-19T23:38:17 < kakium69> or rough number 2021-09-19T23:38:58 < kakium69> there is a trick when using only LDO in automotive application 2021-09-19T23:39:09 < kakium69> series resistors to input 2021-09-19T23:39:40 < kakium69> dissipation is the same but it can be spread across the board 2021-09-19T23:39:45 < qyx> we are in an energetic crisis and using LDOs and resistors 2021-09-19T23:40:11 < kakium69> we are using 7805! 2021-09-19T23:40:58 < mawk> resistor instead of the ldo? 2021-09-19T23:41:01 < kakium69> no 2021-09-19T23:41:02 < mawk> where do you put it 2021-09-19T23:41:03 < kakium69> in series 2021-09-19T23:41:05 < mawk> ah 2021-09-19T23:41:34 < kakium69> so you can spread the warmth instead of having one hot spot 2021-09-19T23:41:35 < mawk> why is it the same result in the end? 2021-09-19T23:41:38 < mawk> yeah 2021-09-19T23:41:47 < mawk> but you also drop the voltage unpredictably 2021-09-19T23:41:51 < mawk> unless you have constant i no? 2021-09-19T23:42:16 < mawk> or you put it before the ld 2021-09-19T23:42:17 < mawk> o 2021-09-19T23:42:22 < mawk> I see 2021-09-19T23:42:23 < kakium69> before 2021-09-19T23:44:43 < kakium69> you can also sink some transients into those resistors 2021-09-19T23:45:09 < kakium69> or even constant overvoltages 2021-09-19T23:52:11 < catphish> kakium69: that makes sense, i didn't actually look into it, but for a mcu and a couple of logic chips i'm not worried yet 2021-09-19T23:52:56 < kakium69> I think you need to protect your LDO input and passives somehow 2021-09-19T23:53:12 < catphish> against what? 2021-09-19T23:55:56 < kakium69> https://www.diodes.com/assets/Figure-1.-A-representation-of-the-test-pulses-used-in-the-automotive-industry.jpg 2021-09-19T23:56:29 < kakium69> to some exceed these --- Day changed Mon Sep 20 2021 2021-09-20T00:00:32 < kakium69> load dump means disconnected battery while engine is running 2021-09-20T00:01:36 < kakium69> negative ones you catch with series diode but you might want to have some extra capacity to not brown out 2021-09-20T00:02:46 < kakium69> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_dump 2021-09-20T00:03:31 < kakium69> you don't even need to disconnect it yourself.. the shoe might just be loose and jump off 2021-09-20T00:05:00 < kakium69> never seen it to come off all the way but I have seen some just rattling around the terminal 2021-09-20T00:05:09 < qyx> speaking of load dumps 2021-09-20T00:05:45 < kakium69> you need to dump right 2021-09-20T00:05:46 < qyx> kakium69 and englishman pros, why are torbo propeller airplanes started using a generator? 2021-09-20T00:06:18 < kakium69> to have electricity? 2021-09-20T00:06:43 < englishman> you mean turboprops? 2021-09-20T00:06:56 < kakium69> aa 2021-09-20T00:07:01 < kakium69> now I understand 2021-09-20T00:07:33 < kakium69> why start engine with a ground unit or something? 2021-09-20T00:07:57 < qyx> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUcw4OjJFy8 2021-09-20T00:08:01 < qyx> first 45 secs 2021-09-20T00:09:02 < englishman> caravan 2021-09-20T00:09:04 < englishman> turboprop 2021-09-20T00:09:27 < kakium69> definitelly has capatibility to start itself too 2021-09-20T00:09:29 < qyx> it is kodiaq 2021-09-20T00:09:47 < qyx> *kodiak 2021-09-20T00:10:21 < kakium69> probs it's colds and stuff and battery might not be sufficient and they don't want to put strain and cycles to it 2021-09-20T00:10:56 < englishman> turboprops need quite a bit of power to spin up 2021-09-20T00:10:58 < kakium69> also he needs to do preflights, day checks and stuff with electricity on so a lot of power is used before start 2021-09-20T00:11:26 < englishman> when he says he's on generator power instead of town power he probably just means battery power 2021-09-20T00:11:46 < kakium69> or mains 2021-09-20T00:11:50 < kakium69> ? 2021-09-20T00:11:59 < qyx> englishman: you can see a guy with a generator outside 2021-09-20T00:12:06 < qyx> then he disconnects cable from the plane 2021-09-20T00:12:12 < englishman> oh, well then he powers the plane to run the starter 2021-09-20T00:12:23 < qyx> b-but why 2021-09-20T00:12:52 < englishman> easier on the batteries? id have to guess here 2021-09-20T00:13:11 < qyx> btw he has many great videos 2021-09-20T00:13:33 < kakium69> to not start the day with empty battery 2021-09-20T00:14:05 < kakium69> he is doing jump flights he might need to start the engine multiple times during the day 2021-09-20T00:15:24 < kakium69> also some of the instruments might not be powered from the battery 2021-09-20T00:15:39 < kakium69> only from engine or externally 2021-09-20T00:15:48 < englishman> idk there is a caravan at the skydive place and ive never seen them start with external power 2021-09-20T00:16:43 < kakium69> do they stop the engine between flights? 2021-09-20T00:16:47 < englishman> yes 2021-09-20T00:17:13 < englishman> tho, maybe not all the time, you might have a point there 2021-09-20T00:17:52 < kakium69> in turbines every shutdown has price 2021-09-20T00:18:07 < kakium69> it's called cycle 2021-09-20T00:18:33 < kakium69> when turbine is running it's basically in static condition 2021-09-20T00:19:29 < kakium69> temperatures, strain etc. stays in certain range 2021-09-20T00:20:15 < kakium69> I think in passenger flights you need to shut down engine 2021-09-20T00:21:03 < kakium69> for loading 2021-09-20T00:21:20 < kakium69> not during 2021-09-20T00:21:32 < jadew> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/804210713982926894/889206515276316762/i_work_247.jpg 2021-09-20T00:21:57 < kakium69> :D 2021-09-20T00:24:24 < kakium69> man who couldn't be chained by 9to5 invents 24th hour of the day to hide from his work 2021-09-20T00:24:59 < kakium69> jadew: how is biz? 2021-09-20T00:25:36 < jadew> kakium69, looking for other opportunities :P 2021-09-20T00:25:42 < jadew> it sucks 2021-09-20T00:26:23 < jadew> if it was 10 times better, it would be decent 2021-09-20T00:27:05 < kakium69> your products are a niche 2021-09-20T00:27:19 < kakium69> is there enough sales? 2021-09-20T00:27:25 < jadew> no, that's the problem 2021-09-20T00:27:49 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-20T00:28:09 < catphish> i just read a facebook post that compared progressive/liberal politics to nazism because both support gun control 2021-09-20T00:28:31 < catphish> i fear serious political debate is dead 2021-09-20T00:28:54 < kakium69> but is that so far off? 2021-09-20T00:28:57 < jadew> I ran the numbers these day, and I'm working for much less than I'm making from programming 2021-09-20T00:29:30 < jadew> sometimes for less than $20/h 2021-09-20T00:29:34 < kakium69> can you run your current products at side? 2021-09-20T00:29:39 < kakium69> and does it make sense? 2021-09-20T00:29:39 < catphish> jadew: don't worry, if i work i make less than i do in interest 2021-09-20T00:30:08 < jadew> I could be more efficient if I had more sales tho, so like I said earlier, it's a sales problem 2021-09-20T00:30:46 < jadew> kakium69, that's the plan, it'll have to become a side business, so I'll have to focus on something else 2021-09-20T00:30:48 < catphish> jadew: more seriously though, programming is very well paid, if you have work embedded programming, you will make a ton 2021-09-20T00:31:03 < kakium69> do you have approximations how many possible clients you could have in your country, in eu or in the world? 2021-09-20T00:31:14 < catphish> jadew: the hard part is finding your niche and getting the work 2021-09-20T00:31:46 < jadew> kakium69, I don't know, each product has its own market size 2021-09-20T00:32:02 < jadew> and they vary from very small to inexistent 2021-09-20T00:32:12 < kakium69> if you know the setup it usually goes to 2021-09-20T00:32:21 < catphish> jadew: you have product sales? 2021-09-20T00:32:21 < kakium69> specific instruments etc. 2021-09-20T00:32:33 < kakium69> you could ask sales how many they have sold 2021-09-20T00:32:37 < jadew> catphish, yeah 2021-09-20T00:32:39 < kakium69> and WHERE 2021-09-20T00:33:02 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2021-09-20T00:33:03 < catphish> jadew: i'm a big fan of product sales (as opposed to service work) 2021-09-20T00:33:08 < jadew> kakium69, don't know if I want to bother with this anymore 2021-09-20T00:33:21 < kakium69> indeed 2021-09-20T00:33:24 < kakium69> that is needed 2021-09-20T00:33:37 < kakium69> bother f-ing everyone 2021-09-20T00:34:01 < kakium69> grind that info 2021-09-20T00:34:30 < jadew> so... from electronics, in 3 years, I had revenue of ~12k 2021-09-20T00:34:34 < catphish> well i'd generally prefer the product option, programming is more $ per hour, but i'd argue much less rewarding hours 2021-09-20T00:34:44 < jadew> 12k EUR 2021-09-20T00:34:50 < kakium69> nice 2021-09-20T00:34:57 < jadew> and I've spent ~30k 2021-09-20T00:35:06 < catphish> but yeah, can't live on 12k (per 3 years) 2021-09-20T00:35:14 < jadew> that's revenue, not profit 2021-09-20T00:35:16 < kakium69> nice 2021-09-20T00:35:47 < jadew> 12k revenue = ~4-5k profit, without my time 2021-09-20T00:35:48 < catphish> jadew: what do you make / sell? 2021-09-20T00:36:03 < jadew> if you factor in my time, it's something with a minus 2021-09-20T00:36:16 < jadew> catphish, https://cojotech.com/' 2021-09-20T00:36:19 < catphish> jadew: well that's not "living on" money, but then, developing a product company takes time, you have to keep pushing 2021-09-20T00:36:22 < jadew> sorry for the ' 2021-09-20T00:36:37 < jadew> catphish, don't know if it's worth it 2021-09-20T00:36:56 < catphish> jadew: that looks very niche, so hard to say 2021-09-20T00:36:58 < jadew> development cycles are too long 2021-09-20T00:37:28 < jadew> you screw up a board => 3 weeks until you get a new one (maybe) 2021-09-20T00:37:41 < jadew> then you might have to wait for some exotic part 2021-09-20T00:37:47 < jadew> all the customs fuckery 2021-09-20T00:37:59 < qyx> jadew: lol you are using the same style of pn/sn box 2021-09-20T00:38:16 < catphish> this is why i'm glad my dayjob was SaaS, it's the perfect balance of easily re-worked software, and product-revenue 2021-09-20T00:38:17 < jadew> qyx, you're using that box for a project? 2021-09-20T00:38:41 < jadew> catphish, I intend to go the SaaS route too 2021-09-20T00:38:54 < qyx> jadew: I mean on the pacb 2021-09-20T00:38:56 < qyx> pcb 2021-09-20T00:39:03 < jadew> ah 2021-09-20T00:39:10 < catphish> i love electronics, but i think it's even harder to find a profitable niche, my money would be on the retro computing market 2021-09-20T00:39:16 < jadew> qyx, well, it works :) 2021-09-20T00:39:26 < jadew> I write the SN with a sharpie 2021-09-20T00:39:44 < catphish> jadew: if you want to know anything about SaaS, shout :) 2021-09-20T00:40:00 < qyx> you can make a webinar! 2021-09-20T00:40:27 < jadew> I love electronics too, but like you're saying, it's difficult to find a good niche 2021-09-20T00:40:34 < jadew> all the good ones are flooded by china junk 2021-09-20T00:40:39 < catphish> i have been thinking there'd be a good market in the SaaS+electronics combination, but that's IoT and it's pretty saturated 2021-09-20T00:40:52 < qyx> it is not that much 2021-09-20T00:41:04 < jadew> qyx, then I can become one of those obnoxious webinar promoters 2021-09-20T00:41:25 < jadew> catphish, yes, I had the same train of thought 2021-09-20T00:41:26 < qyx> I mean, I have found a niche IoT market where there is still not much products available 2021-09-20T00:41:55 < qyx> but making electronics is only a small part of the problem itself 2021-09-20T00:42:14 < qyx> people flooded with data are helplessly trying to understand them 2021-09-20T00:42:22 < qyx> but there is nobody with the right knowledge 2021-09-20T00:42:31 < kakium69> understand what? 2021-09-20T00:42:45 < kakium69> endless data? 2021-09-20T00:43:09 < qyx> IoT nowadays is about measuring anything without much though gone into analysing the data 2021-09-20T00:43:20 < qyx> like fucking number of toiled flushes a day 2021-09-20T00:43:57 < qyx> the AI is emerging slowly but idk if it is the right tool to solve this particular problem 2021-09-20T00:44:06 < catphish> jadew: what i have wanted to develop is a generic IoT platform, with a really easy to use SaaS dashboard for recording and reporting on data, and controlling things, ideally getting other people to build the actual hardware products on top 2021-09-20T00:44:22 < qyx> haha been there done that 2021-09-20T00:44:24 < jadew> catphish, I wanted to do that too hehe 2021-09-20T00:44:34 < jadew> there are already lots of platforms like that available 2021-09-20T00:44:47 < catphish> i haven't looked into the existing market 2021-09-20T00:44:59 < kakium69> qyx: when someone figures out how to turn information of toilet flush count to profit I need to know 2021-09-20T00:45:02 < catphish> i know some major players have IoT APIs though 2021-09-20T00:45:25 < qyx> https://qyx.krtko.org/projects/nwr/index.html 2021-09-20T00:45:30 < qyx> my PCI-e obsession ^ 2021-09-20T00:45:40 < catphish> one possible opening in this market is NB-IOT 2021-09-20T00:45:42 < qyx> I have many tested and the platform itself is quite generic 2021-09-20T00:46:00 < qyx> the docs is sparse though 2021-09-20T00:46:09 < qyx> not much time to properly document all of them 2021-09-20T00:46:37 < kakium69> that's crazy amount of stuff 2021-09-20T00:46:55 < catphish> highly portable, low power IOT devices are enabled by NB-IOT, maybe new applications, maybe an opportunity to develop a SaaS platform for it, but dunno where to really break into the market 2021-09-20T00:47:35 < qyx> nb-iot is prohibitively constrained 2021-09-20T00:47:37 < catphish> obviously great for infrastructure companies (electricity meters etc) 2021-09-20T00:47:50 < catphish> qyx: it's amazing for collecting data 2021-09-20T00:47:59 < catphish> less so for real time applications 2021-09-20T00:48:11 < qyx> yeah for number of toilet flushes 2021-09-20T00:48:17 < qyx> but for eg. spectrograms it is unusable 2021-09-20T00:48:33 < catphish> perfect for toilet flushes, weather stations, llama farms, etc 2021-09-20T00:48:41 < qyx> with the data plans they are available here 2021-09-20T00:48:49 < qyx> *that are 2021-09-20T00:49:01 < qyx> like 250K/mo 2021-09-20T00:49:08 < qyx> 1M if you ask nicely 2021-09-20T00:49:09 < kakium69> toilet flushes are perfect stuff to feed to AI 2021-09-20T00:49:23 < kakium69> to figure out stuff 2021-09-20T00:49:33 < catphish> yeah 1M/month, but for data collection, that ought to be adequate 2021-09-20T00:49:45 < qyx> lorawan is starting to be a viable alternative 2021-09-20T00:50:06 < qyx> because 1. cheaper modems, 2. not regulated by telecom operators 2021-09-20T00:50:12 < qyx> and 3. many networks available 2021-09-20T00:50:26 < catphish> i don't know what the minimum packet size is, but if you send for example 8 bytes, that's 173 readings per hour 2021-09-20T00:50:29 < qyx> helium is growing, TTN is available since long ago 2021-09-20T00:50:51 < qyx> you have to count overhead in nb-iot too 2021-09-20T00:51:02 < qyx> so add another 40 bytes to your 8 B 2021-09-20T00:51:16 < qyx> or so 2021-09-20T00:51:25 < qyx> and thats when no encryption is involved 2021-09-20T00:51:27 < catphish> qyx: i've bene looking a lot at lora too, my employer was looking at it for the agricultural market, i love it, but hardware is procey 2021-09-20T00:51:30 < catphish> *pricey 2021-09-20T00:51:38 < qyx> huh? 2021-09-20T00:52:00 < jadew> oh, right, and I want to get into agriculture 2021-09-20T00:52:09 < qyx> all in one RN2483 is like 10 € 2021-09-20T00:52:22 < qyx> thats not much compared to nb-iot modems 2021-09-20T00:52:26 < qyx> starting at about 20 € 2021-09-20T00:52:30 < qyx> maybe less 2021-09-20T00:52:38 < mouseghost> yaaaaaawn 2021-09-20T00:53:19 < catphish> qyx: overhead may be 40 bytes, but one would usually bundle multiple reading together into a larger packet 2021-09-20T00:55:01 < mouseghost> do they pay gateway owners something in like TTN or so? 2021-09-20T00:58:56 < qyx> in helium yes, ttn no 2021-09-20T00:59:16 < qyx> but I would not consider helium a mature network 2021-09-20T01:00:21 < jadew> https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/ethnic-preferences2.png 2021-09-20T01:01:59 < Steffanx> Is jadew going Blaxter? 2021-09-20T01:03:11 < jadew> ¯_(ツ)_/¯ 2021-09-20T01:03:21 < kakium69> if you look at the numbers men responded to like 80% and women responded to like 30% 2021-09-20T01:03:49 < jadew> you're right, yeah 2021-09-20T01:06:10 < mouseghost> still the coverage in ttn is eh 2021-09-20T01:06:21 < mouseghost> i would need to figure out something with gsm 2021-09-20T01:07:10 < mawk> use nb-iot 2021-09-20T01:07:13 < mawk> great coverage 2021-09-20T01:07:22 < mawk> if you're in europe, you maybe have sigfox coverage, for very low data sizes 2021-09-20T01:07:25 < mawk> like a few bytes 2021-09-20T01:07:53 < mawk> we have our own vodafone contract but you can also use this for just a few sims I think: https://www.miotiq.com/ 2021-09-20T01:08:12 < mawk> for nb-iot 2021-09-20T01:08:22 < mouseghost> ah i need encryption so 2021-09-20T01:08:28 < mouseghost> or at least hmac 2021-09-20T01:08:31 < catphish> i found some people selling international nb-iot SIMs 2021-09-20T01:08:42 < catphish> vodafone is the only option in the UK, dunno how much they charge 2021-09-20T01:08:48 < mawk> the network probably has encryption in itself mouseghost 2021-09-20T01:08:50 < mawk> but that doesn't matter 2021-09-20T01:08:55 < mawk> you do your own encryption, what's the problem? 2021-09-20T01:09:03 < mouseghost> byte overhead increases? 2021-09-20T01:09:10 < mouseghost> though right, maybe with encryption it isnt a problem... 2021-09-20T01:09:25 < mawk> catphish: look at miotiq rates, they use vodafone SIMs + provide their own platform on top to receive messages and stuff 2021-09-20T01:09:29 < mouseghost> catphish, fuck if i need a simcard ill just use a regular gsm modem 2021-09-20T01:09:34 < mawk> then use nb-iot mouseghost 2021-09-20T01:09:39 < mawk> you have 512 bytes per message 2021-09-20T01:09:44 < mawk> that's plenty enough 2021-09-20T01:09:49 < mawk> gsm is lousy 2021-09-20T01:09:55 < mawk> it needs really a lot of current to send and receive 2021-09-20T01:09:57 < mawk> like a few amps 2021-09-20T01:10:08 < mouseghost> 10usd hm 2021-09-20T01:10:13 < mouseghost> a few amps? 2021-09-20T01:10:13 < mawk> so you will need a [super]capacitor on the board to be able to send and receive, or use a li-ion battery 2021-09-20T01:10:14 < mouseghost> the hell 2021-09-20T01:10:24 < mawk> yes that's gsm 2021-09-20T01:10:30 < mouseghost> nu-uh 2021-09-20T01:10:39 < mouseghost> maybe you mean a few milliamps? 2021-09-20T01:10:42 < mawk> no 2021-09-20T01:10:44 < mawk> a few amps 2021-09-20T01:10:48 < mawk> just try nb-iot, or maybe lorawan if you want 2021-09-20T01:10:55 < mawk> nb-iot has mtu 512, lorawan is like 40 2021-09-20T01:11:01 < mawk> at least with our provider lorawan is 40 2021-09-20T01:11:17 < mawk> mtu = maximum transmission unit, max data size 2021-09-20T01:11:51 < mouseghost> where can i buy it 2021-09-20T01:11:56 < mouseghost> ooooh so thats what i means 2021-09-20T01:11:58 < mouseghost> it 2021-09-20T01:11:59 < mawk> https://www.miotiq.com/ 2021-09-20T01:12:05 < mawk> you can have sims there 2021-09-20T01:12:10 < mawk> and for the nb-iot module you have the choice 2021-09-20T01:12:13 < mawk> we use sara n310 2021-09-20T01:12:16 < mawk> from ublox 2021-09-20T01:12:24 < mawk> but you have many choices 2021-09-20T01:12:24 < catphish> mawk: i don't want someone else to receive the messages, that would defeat the object ;) 2021-09-20T01:12:35 < mawk> they're just a gateway forwarding the messages catphish 2021-09-20T01:12:40 < mawk> you can enkrypt them 2021-09-20T01:12:52 < mawk> anyway at the very least vodafone or your other carrier will receive the message, that's at least one third party 2021-09-20T01:12:56 < mawk> so what's another in the mix 2021-09-20T01:13:13 < qyx> there is also 1nce.net 2021-09-20T01:13:19 < mawk> working directly with vodafone you need to buy a lot of SIMs, it's not just for a few ones 2021-09-20T01:13:29 < karlp> lte-cat1 modem specifies peak currents of 2A, but runnign speed test we peaked at around 900 or so. 2021-09-20T01:13:31 < mawk> because they set up something just for you internally with its own network and all that 2021-09-20T01:13:34 < karlp> reception of course drives that. 2021-09-20T01:13:36 < mouseghost> meh complicated shit 2021-09-20T01:13:42 < mouseghost> i need to get it to the internet ideally anyways 2021-09-20T01:13:42 < mawk> miotiq isn't complicated 2021-09-20T01:13:45 < mawk> you give money, they give SIM 2021-09-20T01:13:53 < mawk> nb-iot get it to the internet 2021-09-20T01:13:55 < mawk> that's the whole point 2021-09-20T01:14:01 < mawk> you send a message, it arrives on your internet server 2021-09-20T01:14:04 < qyx> mouseghost: with nb-iot you get the same as with gsm 2021-09-20T01:14:06 < catphish> mawk: i don't fully understand it, i assume vodafone have to send the packets somewhere, never thought about how that's configured 2021-09-20T01:14:07 < mawk> and you can give replies, that get forwarded back to the device 2021-09-20T01:14:08 < mouseghost> oh 2021-09-20T01:14:17 < karlp> nb-iot is like shittier gsm though. 2021-09-20T01:14:22 < mawk> catphish: if you buy directly from vodafone (with qty 1000 or so) they send directly to your gateway 2021-09-20T01:14:22 < mouseghost> so how much does it cost 2021-09-20T01:14:27 < qyx> much 2021-09-20T01:14:28 < karlp> it mioght have lower power consumption, but you need to check local coverage. 2021-09-20T01:14:36 < catphish> mawk: that makes sense 2021-09-20T01:14:39 < mawk> that's because you live in a weird country karlp 2021-09-20T01:14:40 < karlp> and you need a "special" sim, not consumer data plan sim. 2021-09-20T01:14:41 < qyx> few € for 1M/mo 2021-09-20T01:14:44 < mawk> me and catphish have excellent coverage 2021-09-20T01:14:51 < karlp> fuck that, just use LTE. 2021-09-20T01:14:54 < mawk> catphish: if you buy through miotiq or whatever, it goes through their gateway then miotiq forwards to yours 2021-09-20T01:15:07 < mawk> lte has worse coverage no? 2021-09-20T01:15:12 < mouseghost> karlp, ye my thoughts exactly 2021-09-20T01:15:14 < karlp> hardly. 2021-09-20T01:15:17 < qyx> nbiot is lte.. 2021-09-20T01:15:17 < mawk> it doesn't penetrate as far as nb-iot 2021-09-20T01:15:18 < karlp> you think consumers tolerate shitty service 2021-09-20T01:15:22 < catphish> NB-IOT is just a low power extension to LTE, it's easy to add to LTE sits AFAIK 2021-09-20T01:15:23 < mawk> yeah but not same frequency and stuff qyx 2021-09-20T01:15:25 < mouseghost> few eur a month is too much already 2021-09-20T01:15:29 < karlp> nb-iot is ~lte, but you need new mast equipment for the telco 2021-09-20T01:15:31 < karlp> so... not really. 2021-09-20T01:15:41 < qyx> wat 2021-09-20T01:15:48 < qyx> the whole point of nbiot is you don'tneed anything 2021-09-20T01:15:53 < qyx> at the telco side 2021-09-20T01:16:00 < mawk> at least new software 2021-09-20T01:16:02 < qyx> except the sw config of course 2021-09-20T01:16:15 < catphish> karlp: do you need new equipment? that kinda sucks? vodafone seem to have done a good job here, probably off the back of a national contract 2021-09-20T01:16:23 < mawk> you won't get internet access for free mouseghost 2021-09-20T01:16:35 < catphish> i think it can work within the existing LTE band 2021-09-20T01:16:46 < mouseghost> mawk, ye but isnt it cheaper in the end? 2021-09-20T01:16:48 < mawk> catphish: in netherlands my company was the ~first to subscribe to their nb-iot offer, they took months and months to set it up, late on the contract 2021-09-20T01:16:54 < qyx> yes they use parts of B8/B20 here for nbiot 2021-09-20T01:17:05 < mawk> yeah but different modulation or something qyx 2021-09-20T01:17:05 < mouseghost> maybe i should mail le douthsce telekom 2021-09-20T01:17:13 < qyx> of course 2021-09-20T01:17:26 < qyx> mouseghost: DT has rates and plans on their site 2021-09-20T01:17:36 < mouseghost> ye but its called tmobile here 2021-09-20T01:17:37 < mawk> don't give in to the german invader mouseghost 2021-09-20T01:17:42 < mawk> resist 2021-09-20T01:17:44 < qyx> which applies to many DT owned operators 2021-09-20T01:17:47 < mouseghost> mawk, its the only nbiot provider tho 2021-09-20T01:17:48 < qyx> mouseghost: same situation here 2021-09-20T01:18:00 < mawk> if you buy directly from them they might require a minimum quantity mouseghost , like vodafone 2021-09-20T01:18:18 < mawk> hence → https://www.miotiq.com/ 2021-09-20T01:18:20 < mawk> or another similar service 2021-09-20T01:18:24 < qyx> fuck miotiq 2021-09-20T01:18:26 < catphish> mawk: irritating :( it's all ready to use here in the UK, i've seem it work, even here in the arse end of the middle of nowhere 2021-09-20T01:18:28 < qyx> they didn't want anything 2021-09-20T01:18:40 < catphish> which means it may be ideal for our agriculture use case 2021-09-20T01:18:48 < mawk> they refused your money qyx ? 2021-09-20T01:18:56 < mawk> yes catphish 2021-09-20T01:19:04 < qyx> and they even sent me a price list 2021-09-20T01:19:08 < qyx> if I asked nicely 2021-09-20T01:19:12 < mouseghost> mawk, ye so that shitt thing 2021-09-20T01:19:14 < qyx> testing SIMs too 2021-09-20T01:19:22 < mouseghost> ideally i would do direct link, but its like hmm 2021-09-20T01:19:26 < mouseghost> 15-20km? 2021-09-20T01:19:43 < karlp> catphish: yeah, it's new radios, lte-m too. it's not just a sw upgrade. 2021-09-20T01:20:42 < catphish> karlp: that may depend on the band they want to use, and the existing radios, some MB-IOT uses the guard band, some is in-band 2021-09-20T01:20:47 < qyx> karlp: even DT itself says it has veen done with software upgrade 2021-09-20T01:21:02 < catphish> i don't know how substantial the changes would need to be for the in-band usage at least 2021-09-20T01:21:41 < qyx> maybe if someone is using radios from 20th century 2021-09-20T01:21:48 < qyx> but all new is SDR stuff 2021-09-20T01:23:42 < Steffanx> As frenchy you should be in to sigfox mawk 2021-09-20T01:24:43 < mawk> yes Steffanx but mtu is too low 2021-09-20T01:25:03 < mawk> it's for throwaway small sensors that do only one thing 2021-09-20T01:25:08 < mawk> and only report a few bytes everyday 2021-09-20T01:25:18 < mawk> which doesn't work for a radar sensor 2021-09-20T01:25:28 < qyx> mouseghost: https://iot.telekom.com/en/networks-tariffs/iot-tariffs/business-smart-connect 2021-09-20T01:25:38 < qyx> I would try to ask for the start plan 2021-09-20T01:25:41 < mouseghost> yeah ive seen it 2021-09-20T01:25:47 < mouseghost> expensive as shit 2021-09-20T01:26:08 < mawk> m i o t i q 2021-09-20T01:26:19 < mawk> they sell vodafone sims but it can roam on tmobile network 2021-09-20T01:26:20 < mawk> no problem 2021-09-20T01:26:21 < mouseghost> just gonna use some 3g or so modem and ye probably. this is just a simple on-off thing with no requirements so lol 2021-09-20T01:26:44 < mawk> they sign new roaming agreements everyday 2021-09-20T01:26:54 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-20T01:26:57 < mouseghost> perhaps i should develop my own solution instead of relying on someone else's lol 2021-09-20T01:27:05 < mouseghost> some point to point link 2021-09-20T01:27:11 < mawk> at 20km? 2021-09-20T01:29:06 < mouseghost> ye 2021-09-20T01:29:09 < mouseghost> is that much in your opinion? 2021-09-20T01:29:46 < catphish> SDR remote radios are cool stuff 2021-09-20T01:32:47 < mouseghost> eh i should just go with regular lte and stop all that thinking lol 2021-09-20T01:32:53 < mouseghost> though goodnight for now 2021-09-20T01:33:05 < mouseghost> ive welded today -- my first time 2021-09-20T01:33:35 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-20T01:37:20 < qyx> did he weld out his cable 2021-09-20T01:39:26 < catphish> there are substantial advantages of NB-IOT over LTE, they invented it for a reason 2021-09-20T01:40:00 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-20T02:07:28 -!- ehsanecc [~ehsanecc@2.190.150.112] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-20T02:32:55 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-20T02:34:41 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T02:41:02 -!- fluiD [~fluiD@161.97.231.145] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-20T02:53:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-20T02:54:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T03:15:00 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-20T03:49:16 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-20T04:26:45 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-246-19.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-20T07:30:03 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: icee, fury, englishman, Alexer 2021-09-20T07:30:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Alexer 2021-09-20T07:30:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: fury 2021-09-20T07:30:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: englishman 2021-09-20T07:35:14 -!- icee [~icee@2001:470:69fc:105::2b16] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T07:41:44 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: krjst 2021-09-20T07:44:12 -!- krjst [~krjst@2604:a880:800:c1::16b:8001] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T07:56:34 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@cpe-69-23-148-218.elp.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T09:00:01 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T09:08:52 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@cpe-69-23-148-218.elp.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-20T09:17:10 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-20T09:33:39 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T09:39:36 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T09:56:51 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-20T10:27:24 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T10:27:24 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-20T10:29:01 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-20T10:47:21 -!- splud [~noneya.bi@user/splud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-20T10:51:51 -!- splud [~noneya.bi@user/splud] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T11:17:49 < mawk> what will the queen say tomorrow Steffanx ? 2021-09-20T11:30:29 < Steffanx> Zhe Queen? 2021-09-20T11:30:34 < Steffanx> The king maybe 2021-09-20T11:36:58 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:2481:8f84:1823:50a5] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-20T11:38:29 < karlp> qyx: might have been now, it absolutely wasn't done with sw upgrades only at the time. 2021-09-20T11:38:53 < karlp> but if they've figured outa sw upgrade one some of the common hardware platforms, that woudl certainly explain it's expanded uptake. 2021-09-20T11:40:01 < karlp> and catphish isn't here... 2021-09-20T11:49:28 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:505d:ef6c:5375:d04f] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T11:57:07 < mawk> Steffanx google agenda calls it "day of the queen speech" 2021-09-20T11:59:31 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T12:00:42 -!- rkta [~kt@62.113.246.111] has left ##stm32 [] 2021-09-20T12:12:35 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T12:31:37 < karlp> zyp: yaml sux: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/5qar5 I wanted to have ADC1 and ADC2 be aliases, so that I could have comaptible code like, RCC.enable(rcc:ADC1) but nooooo. yaml merged it all, only one key. 2021-09-20T12:38:59 < zyp> that's not yaml's fault, that's how I've organized it 2021-09-20T12:40:10 < zyp> you could argue I've got key and value backwards :) 2021-09-20T12:41:30 < karlp> well, some online yaml validator thing I tried did the same thing, 2021-09-20T12:41:38 < karlp> but yeah, because of how it's organized... 2021-09-20T12:43:25 < zyp> swapping it is just a matter of swapping num and name on rcc_enums.h.j2:8 2021-09-20T12:46:59 < zyp> but in that case we should do the same for interrupts to stay consistent, i.e. interrupt_enums.h.j2:8, as well as changing default_handler.cpp.j2:10 from entries.values() to entries 2021-09-20T12:47:49 < zyp> it'd make it emit duplicate symbols for interrupt aliases, but I'm not sure that's a problem since they'd all be weak aliases for the default handler anyway 2021-09-20T12:52:47 < karlp> I'm not hard on this, just something I ran into, and thought that added aliases would be the "nice" way of doing it. 2021-09-20T12:53:21 < zyp> yeah, and I'm saying I'm not opposed to making the change to allow that 2021-09-20T12:53:33 < karlp> goodo, I'lls ee how my day goes... 2021-09-20T12:53:46 < karlp> goal is still _using_ other people's sw, not writing to much of it :) 2021-09-20T12:53:54 < karlp> also, good to have a weekend off. https://bin.jvnv.net/file/u7Atx.png 2021-09-20T12:54:04 < karlp> a) question why the vrefint voltages were so low. 2021-09-20T12:54:05 < karlp> b) 2021-09-20T12:54:14 < karlp> b) recheck the channel configuration 2021-09-20T12:54:42 < karlp> c) actually _measure_ vrefint, not the channel number that is vrefint on f3, but not on wb.... 2021-09-20T12:54:56 < karlp> so it's flat now. joy 2021-09-20T12:56:23 < zyp> I find I also end up writing code for a bunch of stuff I'm planning to just use :) 2021-09-20T12:58:19 < zyp> currently doing the factory test for orbtrace using exclave and I ended up making my own webui for it: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/DTy6a.png 2021-09-20T13:05:26 < karlp> yeah, I'm not a big enough web dude. it's why I used openhtf 2021-09-20T13:05:35 < karlp> I looked at exclave, but it ws missing exactly that sort of shit 2021-09-20T13:07:16 < zyp> well, it got one, I just didn't like it, and just finished up some other webshit at work, so I figured I'll just throw together something more preferable while I'm at it 2021-09-20T13:23:37 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T13:23:42 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has left ##stm32 [] 2021-09-20T13:30:08 < karlp> hrm, I can't figure out the jinja on the vectors after switching orders. 2021-09-20T13:30:18 < karlp> there's some numeric / string range shit that's gone now. 2021-09-20T13:30:29 * karlp hsn't debugged jinja shit in years 2021-09-20T13:30:48 * karlp tries something 2021-09-20T13:30:58 < zyp> just the two changes I mentioned should do it 2021-09-20T13:31:05 < zyp> got a diff? 2021-09-20T13:31:41 < karlp> yeah, one sec, 2021-09-20T13:31:50 < karlp> it's the enumerating of the handlers into the section. 2021-09-20T13:33:11 < karlp> https://paste.centos.org/view/b19a53a4 2021-09-20T13:33:26 < karlp> without the values/keys switch in the first one, it does other problems, but it's related to that. 2021-09-20T13:33:56 < zyp> ah 2021-09-20T13:34:22 < zyp> s/interrupts.irq/interrupts.irq.values()/ 2021-09-20T13:34:43 < zyp> hmm 2021-09-20T13:34:48 < zyp> more than that 2021-09-20T13:34:50 < zyp> fuck :) 2021-09-20T13:34:57 < karlp> it needs to do it in numerical order too. 2021-09-20T13:35:02 < karlp> to get them inserted correctly 2021-09-20T13:35:17 < zyp> yeah, just leave that, I can look at it later 2021-09-20T13:35:49 < zyp> but yeah, okay, that's why I used number as key, not the other way around 2021-09-20T13:35:58 < zyp> and RCC just to keep consistent 2021-09-20T13:38:41 < PaulFertser> Fuck muziks https://youtube.com/watch?v=jB2dyxANqKg 2021-09-20T13:47:25 < karlp> ok, figured it out, just cleaning it up now. 2021-09-20T13:50:39 < karlp> actually, not sure that's a good idea for irqs, you just _can't_ have aliases that are zero cost, so you might as well leave it in num: name order to force that. 2021-09-20T13:51:24 < zyp> yeah 2021-09-20T13:51:48 < zyp> well 2021-09-20T13:52:17 < zyp> you can have aliases, but you can only use one at a time, otherwise you'll get symbol conflicts 2021-09-20T13:53:39 < karlp> how so? how do you put the one that is declared into one of them into the vector table 2021-09-20T13:54:05 < karlp> the problem is in vector_nvic.cpp, where the real handlers are inserted. 2021-09-20T13:54:27 < karlp> I'm just goig to put that away right now :) 2021-09-20T13:55:15 < zyp> the templated symbol name is created from the numeric value of the interrupt enum, so multiple names referring to the same number will result in the same symbol 2021-09-20T13:55:51 < zyp> that's why can't turn it back to a name when you're looking at an ISR 2021-09-20T13:55:55 < zyp> gdb* 2021-09-20T13:56:21 < karlp> ah, well, some of what i'd changed trying to flip this made a symbol out of the name instead, so that probably wasn't 2021-09-20T13:56:23 < karlp> helping :) 2021-09-20T14:10:15 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T14:17:29 < Steffanx> It's called "prinsjesdag" mawk 2021-09-20T14:42:23 < mawk> no Google tells me it's Jour du discours de la Reine Steffanx 2021-09-20T14:42:28 < mawk> day of the speech of the queen 2021-09-20T14:47:29 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T14:54:55 < Steffanx> Lies. 2021-09-20T14:55:00 < Steffanx> Google is wrong 2021-09-20T15:05:22 -!- mawk [~mawk@wireguard/contributor/mawk] has left ##stm32 [Leaving] 2021-09-20T15:05:49 -!- mawk [~mawk@wireguard/contributor/mawk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T15:05:55 < mawk> oops 2021-09-20T15:06:00 < mawk> I closed a bunch of channels by accident 2021-09-20T15:06:04 < mawk> I forgot the other ones I was on 2021-09-20T15:06:11 < mawk> if they were important I will remember them later 2021-09-20T15:10:02 < bitmask> switch to discord 2021-09-20T15:10:17 < mawk> :( 2021-09-20T15:10:19 < mawk> never 2021-09-20T15:10:33 < bitmask> unfortunately i downloaded it 2021-09-20T15:10:44 < bitmask> the vulkan channel here is useless 2021-09-20T15:26:22 < Fleck> anyone can explain those: --specs=nano.specs -u _printf_float -u _scanf_float ? 2021-09-20T15:32:14 < karlp> see the readme.txt that came with your toolchain... 2021-09-20T15:33:01 < karlp> (https://github.com/ARM-software/toolchain-gnu-bare-metal/blob/master/readme.txt is ~equivalent in all likelihood) 2021-09-20T15:42:19 < mawk> Fleck: it's options for ld 2021-09-20T15:42:23 < mawk> so look at man ld 2021-09-20T15:42:33 < mawk> what they mean in this particular case, it's in karlp 's link 2021-09-20T15:42:41 < mawk> read nano.specs also 2021-09-20T15:42:46 < mawk> you'll find it in the gcc arm toolchain thing 2021-09-20T15:42:48 < mawk> look around 2021-09-20T15:42:52 < mawk> it's easy to understand what it does 2021-09-20T15:43:00 < mawk> it's just more options for ld enabled all at once 2021-09-20T15:43:20 < Fleck> yeah well, w/o those args I get hardfault 2021-09-20T15:43:24 < Fleck> with them I don't 2021-09-20T15:43:39 < Fleck> at least, in ONE case, so I am trying to understand, whats going on 2021-09-20T15:43:41 < mawk> well you definitely need nano.specs 2021-09-20T15:43:46 < mawk> the other two, not necessarily needed 2021-09-20T15:43:52 < mawk> unless you use printf and scanf with float/double 2021-09-20T15:44:12 < karlp> you don't _need_ nano specs... 2021-09-20T15:44:15 < mawk> nano.specs sets up the libc in a "nano" way for you, you need it; if you remove it at least read the nano.specs file to see what it was doing 2021-09-20T15:44:30 < mawk> yeah you don't need it, but if you randomly remove it then something is probably not done right 2021-09-20T15:45:30 < mawk> https://i.pinimg.com/564x/03/54/ce/0354ce58a7a4308edcc46dd9238e12d7.jpg 2021-09-20T16:01:23 < Fleck> mawk: I am not removing --specs=nano.specs, but w/o -u _printf_float -u _scanf_float (I am not sure it's printf or scanf, I can try that also...) I get hardfault 2021-09-20T16:02:25 < mawk> are you using printf on float/double Fleck ? 2021-09-20T16:03:14 < Fleck> not me, maybe 3rd party libs are :( 2021-09-20T16:03:24 < Fleck> newlib std also seems to be working 2021-09-20T16:03:32 < mawk> newlib is libc 2021-09-20T16:03:38 < mawk> it's the implementation of the libc 2021-09-20T16:03:46 < mawk> they also provide a libstdc++ and a few other things like libm(aths) 2021-09-20T16:04:51 < Fleck> but anyway, OK, lets assume it does use printf with floats, does it make sens to hardfault then? 2021-09-20T16:05:02 < mawk> yeah I guess 2021-09-20T16:05:07 < mawk> if it's trying to call a symbol that isn't there 2021-09-20T16:05:11 < mawk> and aborts or does whatever 2021-09-20T16:06:08 < karlp> fecking, dma interrupt sometimes takes _ages_ to complete. 2021-09-20T16:06:47 < Fleck> Formatted input/output of floating-point number are implemented as weak symbol. If you want to use %f, you have to pull in the symbol by explicitly specifying "-u" command option. << from this I understand, there is a symbol, just weak, maybe empty, IDK how this works 2021-09-20T16:06:50 < karlp> there's no loops?! 2021-09-20T16:23:41 < jpa-> "Floating-point format specifiers are recognized by default, but if the floating-point functions are not explicitly linked in" sounds like it shouldn't hardfault anyway 2021-09-20T16:36:07 < Fleck> as I have a lot of flash and ram, I will try to use newlib std and see if I still get hardfaults, thanks karlp, mawk, jpa- for your time! :) 2021-09-20T16:49:55 -!- xmage [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T16:59:38 -!- xmage [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has left ##stm32 [leaving] 2021-09-20T17:12:47 < Fleck> Put an explicit reference to the support function into one of the object files in your program. One way to do this is to add a statement such as asm (".global _printf_float"); to one or more of the source files in your program. << yep, adding this and no hardfault :/ 2021-09-20T17:33:40 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-20T17:56:05 < karlp> that soundsd likea busted LTO setup maybe? 2021-09-20T17:56:38 < karlp> at least when I've done it, if you don't do that -u _printf blah it just prints '' for %f. 2021-09-20T17:56:42 < karlp> hardfault sounds reallllly busted 2021-09-20T18:00:18 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T18:00:23 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has left ##stm32 [] 2021-09-20T18:08:32 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T18:21:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T18:36:28 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-20T18:51:05 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2021-09-20T18:54:15 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T18:55:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T18:59:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-20T18:59:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T19:07:46 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-20T19:18:45 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T19:32:34 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-20T19:37:52 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937e:d600::b696] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T20:01:28 < Fleck> whats LTO karlp? :D 2021-09-20T20:02:00 < PaulFertser> Fleck: link time optimisation 2021-09-20T20:02:31 < Fleck> ohh 2021-09-20T20:07:33 < ventyl> it essentially behaves as if all of your source code was in single .c file 2021-09-20T20:31:17 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-20T20:34:16 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T20:35:05 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-20T20:54:45 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T21:17:01 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T21:17:07 < catphish> morning humans 2021-09-20T21:51:45 < Steffanx> Hello cat or phish 2021-09-20T21:59:56 < catphish> i am both 2021-09-20T22:22:57 < Steffanx> Like catdog? 2021-09-20T22:23:48 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-09-20T22:25:55 -!- steve_ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T22:27:32 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T22:27:32 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-20T22:29:12 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-20T22:32:34 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T22:32:52 < kakium69> night32 2021-09-20T22:36:48 < kakium69> catphish!! updates? 2021-09-20T22:38:01 < catphish> am i that interesting? 2021-09-20T22:38:22 < catphish> i ordered my prototype board and a atmel ice, nothing will happen for a while 2021-09-20T22:39:02 < catphish> though i need to learn how to program the thing, there's no atmel ide for linux, so might go back to my usual vscode / gcc :) 2021-09-20T22:42:05 < kakium69> just wine it? 2021-09-20T22:42:36 < kakium69> ah no 2021-09-20T22:42:41 < kakium69> rating: garbage 2021-09-20T22:49:41 < catphish> annoying 2021-09-20T22:50:32 < kakium69> windows is so terrible you cannot possibly use it for work? 2021-09-20T22:52:51 < catphish> windows is ok 2021-09-20T22:53:25 < catphish> i can't realistically change OS for one project though 2021-09-20T22:53:42 < kakium69> change? 2021-09-20T22:54:16 < kakium69> https://www.virtualbox.org/ please 2021-09-20T22:54:31 < catphish> i use virtualbox, i don't find it practical for working in though 2021-09-20T22:54:57 < catphish> but i certainly would if necessary 2021-09-20T22:55:18 < kakium69> is it that ircs is running on host? 2021-09-20T22:56:43 < catphish> ircs? 2021-09-20T22:57:14 < kakium69> internet relay chats 2021-09-20T22:57:28 < kakium69> so you need to switch between host and guest to ircs 2021-09-20T22:57:37 < catphish> i use hexchat, works fine on linux and windows 2021-09-20T22:57:52 < kakium69> the most painfull thing about vm is switching between host and guest 2021-09-20T22:57:59 < catphish> in fact most of what i use works on both, kicad, hexchat, firefox 2021-09-20T22:58:05 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T22:58:15 < catphish> but switching between host and guest is tedious 2021-09-20T22:58:35 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-09-20T22:58:39 < catphish> i *can* use proprietary apps in a VM, i just don't enjoy it 2021-09-20T22:59:27 < kakium69> I don't enjoy it even when running only windows 2021-09-20T22:59:43 < kakium69> to not have that option 2021-09-20T23:00:28 < catphish> i much prefer native linux, or native windows, i don't really know why 2021-09-20T23:01:13 < kakium69> did you know 2021-09-20T23:01:21 < kakium69> if you have virtualization enabled 2021-09-20T23:01:37 < kakium69> windows may virtualize stuff you run 2021-09-20T23:01:56 < kakium69> or stuff 2021-09-20T23:02:04 < kakium69> it does virtualization 2021-09-20T23:02:04 < catphish> everything is virtualized, that's what an OS does anyway 2021-09-20T23:02:37 < catphish> i mean, virtualization CPU ring isn't so different from any other CPU ring afaik 2021-09-20T23:03:01 < Steffanx> kakium69!! updates? 2021-09-20T23:03:04 < catphish> but still, running multiple desktop environments at once sucks 2021-09-20T23:03:20 < kakium69> Steffanx: it's night now 2021-09-20T23:03:28 < catphish> it's always night 2021-09-20T23:03:35 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-20T23:03:47 < kakium69> sometimes there is illusion of the day 2021-09-20T23:03:50 < Steffanx> its only 23.03 2021-09-20T23:03:57 < kakium69> but it's actually night also 2021-09-20T23:04:14 < catphish> illusion of day happens on some parts of the sphere at certain times 2021-09-20T23:04:26 < Steffanx> The day just began 2021-09-20T23:04:56 < catphish> it's only niiiiiiiiiiine o clock here in great britain 2021-09-20T23:05:09 < catphish> still at least 3 hours of monday 2021-09-20T23:11:59 < kakium69> steff: movi plz 2021-09-20T23:15:06 < kakium69> catphish: are you planning to build other stuff for cars too? 2021-09-20T23:15:21 < Steffanx> Try Sex Education on Netflix. 2021-09-20T23:16:36 < kakium69> tried it 2021-09-20T23:16:55 < kakium69> didn't feel like watching the latest season yet 2021-09-20T23:17:34 < kakium69> let's see "Kate" 2021-09-20T23:18:35 < kakium69> maybe it's that I turned over 30 my personality changed Steff 2021-09-20T23:19:32 < kakium69> update steff: I didn't have covid19 2021-09-20T23:19:48 < kakium69> I'm dissapointed somehow 2021-09-20T23:20:11 < Steffanx> did you get your 5g shot yet? 2021-09-20T23:20:12 < kakium69> I need to try harder to find the covid19 and get infected 2021-09-20T23:20:41 < kakium69> yes it was activated the night I turned 31yo 2021-09-20T23:26:16 -!- MrBIOS [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:7d9c:8ca2:10e6:9878] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-20T23:28:34 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-20T23:35:46 < catphish> kakium69: i don't know yet, i'm a little unclear about the scope of the project 2021-09-20T23:36:13 < catphish> kakium69: but there might be some EV projects 2021-09-20T23:37:00 < kakium69> I went to my drive to see nice photos of automotive board I made 2021-09-20T23:37:12 < kakium69> ended up browsing my projects generally 2021-09-20T23:37:48 < kakium69> I have to come to conclusion I have been on crack 2021-09-20T23:38:03 < qyx> thats common 2021-09-20T23:38:33 * qyx stealing a random declaration of conformit 2021-09-20T23:38:34 < qyx> y 2021-09-20T23:38:52 < catphish> lol 2021-09-20T23:39:44 < catphish> i'm working with 2 different people, one wants to develop replacement speedometers for classic cars, the other wants to develop EV conversion kits for classic cars 2021-09-20T23:40:37 < catphish> i'm starting to look at electronics for both projects, EV electronics is complicated so not sure what i'll be able to do yet, but monitoring CAN should be a good starting point 2021-09-20T23:41:35 < kakium69> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTTktbkw3elFNZ00/view?usp=sharing&resourcekey=0-bXoMWlnvbTabQv90R-OV2Q I made that shit 2021-09-20T23:41:44 < mouseghost> please dont share poop photos thank you 2021-09-20T23:41:53 < mouseghost> ohhh 2021-09-20T23:42:00 < catphish> what is that 2021-09-20T23:42:07 < mouseghost> what is that 2021-09-20T23:42:14 < kakium69> ice sail thing 2021-09-20T23:42:21 < jadew> man... amazon tablets fucking suck 2021-09-20T23:42:27 < jadew> it wakes up to show me adss 2021-09-20T23:42:29 < jadew> *ads 2021-09-20T23:42:39 < qyx> :D 2021-09-20T23:42:42 < catphish> that sounds shit 2021-09-20T23:43:36 < jadew> the lockscreen is a full page ad too :) 2021-09-20T23:43:57 < jadew> that's on fire 7, which sucks in more ways that that 2021-09-20T23:44:00 < jadew> 8 is nicer 2021-09-20T23:56:25 < kakium69> about ads and jadew is here too 2021-09-20T23:56:29 < kakium69> I had a dream 2021-09-20T23:57:45 < jadew> what happened in the dream? 2021-09-20T23:57:53 < kakium69> had sex with a girl 2021-09-20T23:58:26 < jadew> ah, I had that dream as well 2021-09-20T23:58:30 < kakium69> but oof.. she had aids 2021-09-20T23:58:42 < catphish> still worthwhile 2021-09-20T23:58:43 < jadew> damn... 2021-09-20T23:59:13 < kakium69> guess who just watched movie Bohemian Rhapsody 2021-09-20T23:59:56 < catphish> some old sad lonely person? --- Day changed Tue Sep 21 2021 2021-09-21T00:00:16 < kakium69> ye sure 2021-09-21T00:01:47 < Fleck> in objectdumo -S, can anyone explain this line: 800214c: 24000594 .word 0x24000594 ? 2021-09-21T00:01:49 < catphish> tidied up my board, will make a lovely prototype https://i.imgur.com/Ur6UEUK.png 2021-09-21T00:02:23 < karlp> Fleck: constants 2021-09-21T00:03:01 < Fleck> karlp: thanks, can I somehow know what constants? What type etc? 2021-09-21T00:03:36 < kakium69> catphish: you still might need to protect upstream from LDO 2021-09-21T00:03:43 < karlp> eh, you can normally infer it, especiall if you have function sections and data sections you should normally be able to figure it out? 2021-09-21T00:03:46 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-21T00:04:42 < catphish> kakium69: what do you mean? 2021-09-21T00:05:40 < karlp> Fleck: I'd have to see more, but you're looking at a "small" number of them at the end of each function's dissasmbly right? 2021-09-21T00:05:51 < catphish> next iteration will have TVS but is there something else? 2021-09-21T00:06:09 < Fleck> karlp: looks like it, yes 2021-09-21T00:07:15 < karlp> yeah, it's constants, offsets to functions it might call, addresses even, anything that might be easier/smaller/faster than using immediate loads for instance. 2021-09-21T00:07:53 < karlp> you cna play with some of this sort of thing on godbolt, it can highliight things for you nicely sometimes 2021-09-21T00:07:55 < kakium69> catphish: series resistor before TVS 2021-09-21T00:08:01 < kakium69> *series diode 2021-09-21T00:08:56 < jadew> https://media.tenor.com/videos/b8fd2a9f54e358757146abcf85d42b65/mp4 2021-09-21T00:09:24 < kakium69> jadew: typical chinese thrill park 2021-09-21T00:09:55 < kakium69> or maybe south-american? 2021-09-21T00:10:07 < Fleck> karlp: looking up, what is godbolt... 2021-09-21T00:14:28 < karlp> zyp: I take it you can't just extern"C" provide _write and have printf work then hey? https://paste.jvnv.net/view/20XcJ 2021-09-21T00:15:46 < zyp> hang on 2021-09-21T00:16:08 < karlp> Fleck: for instance https://godbolt.org/z/nG6PP5cqe 2021-09-21T00:16:18 < karlp> the .word at the end: if you kmouse over it, 2021-09-21T00:16:27 < karlp> it shows you that it's 0x123456, which is the constant in the comparison 2021-09-21T00:16:46 < karlp> but the * 0xaabb got done a different way... 2021-09-21T00:16:47 < Fleck> neat! 2021-09-21T00:17:03 < zyp> karlp, here's another pile of mess but it should have what you need :) 2021-09-21T00:17:05 < zyp> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/KCh40 2021-09-21T00:17:15 < catphish> kakium69: diode before what, why? sorry if i'm being dim here 2021-09-21T00:17:38 < Fleck> wondering, how I can "add" my dump there ;DF 2021-09-21T00:17:40 < Fleck> wondering, how I can "add" my dump there ;D 2021-09-21T00:17:50 < kakium69> it may not be necessary catphish 2021-09-21T00:18:12 < karlp> just.... paste it itn fleck :) 2021-09-21T00:18:36 < karlp> zyp: why don't I need them in my c projects? 2021-09-21T00:18:49 < kakium69> but you might want to keep positive voltage for your LDO upstream if there is negative spike 2021-09-21T00:18:56 < zyp> karlp, libnosys perhaps? 2021-09-21T00:18:58 < karlp> or is this something from nostartfiles vs me using something subtley different 2021-09-21T00:19:03 < zyp> could be 2021-09-21T00:19:47 < zyp> I'm planning to sort it out some way or another, either by grabbing them from libnosys or putting them in laks 2021-09-21T00:19:48 < karlp> -lnosys and -lgcc yeah. 2021-09-21T00:20:00 < karlp> ok. that's easy 2021-09-21T00:20:10 < karlp> any thing that just stops us from using lnosys? 2021-09-21T00:20:14 < kakium69> also catphish by using series diode a little reversing accident doesn't kill your LDO 2021-09-21T00:20:20 < karlp> or is there a cout c++ thing I should be doing instead? 2021-09-21T00:20:23 < catphish> kakium69: you mean if +12v input falls below 0v? if so, that makes perfect sense 2021-09-21T00:20:29 < zyp> no 2021-09-21T00:20:30 < karlp> I know I know, I normally use trace, but sometimes it's just nice and easy and clear 2021-09-21T00:20:49 < zyp> c++20 has a std::format but gcc10 doesn't include it 2021-09-21T00:20:52 < catphish> kakium69: a diode would work and would dissipate some unwanted volts too 2021-09-21T00:21:20 < kakium69> catphish yes and TVS blows right out if you reverse even for a second 2021-09-21T00:21:37 < catphish> i'll put it on the list of useful additions for a final product 2021-09-21T00:21:47 < kakium69> ye 2021-09-21T00:21:49 < zyp> std::format is apparently based on fmtlib, so I tried using fmtlib but that didn't work out very well 2021-09-21T00:21:59 < karlp> well, just stickingin -lnosys didn't do much :) 2021-09-21T00:22:04 < karlp> maybe I should drink beer and play video games instead. 2021-09-21T00:22:12 < karlp> the L1 board isn't eevn on the table anyway. 2021-09-21T00:23:26 < zyp> I figure either std::format becomes usable or I'll eventually write my own lightweight formatter, and until then I'd just stick with printf and friends 2021-09-21T00:28:08 < karlp> aight, works. 2021-09-21T00:28:16 < karlp> syszyp.cpp, with a few changes :) 2021-09-21T00:28:18 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-21T00:33:36 < karlp> tada https://github.com/karlp/l2-simple/blob/main/syszyp.cpp 2021-09-21T00:37:28 < kakium69> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WbrTlKH8n-30NJExFRk3U__wdfwBfTCY/view?usp=sharing fixed TIG / GTAW welding machine once 2021-09-21T00:38:05 < kakium69> bought like 100eurs worth of connectors 2021-09-21T00:42:05 < catphish> connectors are the hidden cost of all projects 2021-09-21T00:42:20 < catphish> i wish my money was in "big-connector" 2021-09-21T00:42:29 < karlp> andthe biggest impact on case design as well 2021-09-21T00:42:36 < kakium69> make one connector design catphish 2021-09-21T00:42:43 < kakium69> and provide pigtail 2021-09-21T00:42:58 < kakium69> it's how shit is done 2021-09-21T00:43:50 < catphish> it's ridiculous that there's so many connector standards, we should invent one unified connector 2021-09-21T00:43:51 < catphish> https://xkcd.com/927/ 2021-09-21T00:44:34 < catphish> alas i am not a mechanical engineer 2021-09-21T00:46:31 < kakium69> I'm little sus about use of screw terminals in vibrating environment catphish 2021-09-21T00:46:45 < kakium69> they need to be quality 2021-09-21T00:48:30 < kakium69> in automotive everything seems to be press fit connections and crimping 2021-09-21T00:48:43 < qyx> fuk screw terminals 2021-09-21T00:48:47 < qyx> I hate them 2021-09-21T00:52:13 < kakium69> catphish: ventyl has done actual stuff for actual production vehicles 2021-09-21T00:54:49 < kakium69> you might want to ask him tips before finalizing design 2021-09-21T00:57:07 < qyx> use rosenberger/fakra and you are good 2021-09-21T01:00:50 < kakium69> such weird connector 2021-09-21T01:09:10 < kakium69> I remember megasquirt used some DB connector 2021-09-21T01:09:33 < kakium69> maybe DB-25 or so 2021-09-21T01:10:27 < kakium69> D37 2021-09-21T01:11:47 < kakium69> *DB37 2021-09-21T01:18:54 < Steffanx> Don't let PaulFertser read what you just said, kakium69 2021-09-21T01:19:17 < Steffanx> It's DC-37 2021-09-21T01:19:41 < kakium69> is there such thing? 2021-09-21T01:19:54 < Steffanx> Just like it's not DB-9, but DE-9 2021-09-21T01:20:14 < kakium69> :o 2021-09-21T01:20:40 < kakium69> what is the difference? 2021-09-21T01:21:38 < Steffanx> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature 2021-09-21T01:22:57 < kakium69> ah 2021-09-21T01:23:05 < kakium69> it's where the nuts are 2021-09-21T01:24:34 < kakium69> no 2021-09-21T01:24:43 < kakium69> it's the size of the outline or something 2021-09-21T01:25:21 < Steffanx> Yeah the shell size 2021-09-21T01:25:28 < kakium69> what a mess 2021-09-21T01:27:17 < Steffanx> I'm happy I could teach you this. Thanks Paul. 2021-09-21T01:30:52 < kakium69> I feel like I have been pressed the importance of the difference in the suffix alphabet 2021-09-21T01:34:35 < kakium69> now I cannot defend myself with ignorance 2021-09-21T01:37:09 < Steffanx> Unless its was real DB-37 but that's unlikely 2021-09-21T01:37:24 < kakium69> unlikely 2021-09-21T02:34:56 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T02:57:17 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-21T03:27:41 -!- MrBIOS [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:7d9c:8ca2:10e6:9878] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-21T03:31:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-21T04:00:29 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T04:02:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-21T04:03:27 -!- steve_ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-21T05:03:54 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-21T05:08:40 -!- Ad0 [~Ad0@93.124.245.194] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T05:47:37 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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IIRC they're pretty much API compatible 2021-09-21T10:16:17 < ventyl> yeah pyside 2021-09-21T10:16:27 < zyp> I've used both, but I'm not sure I used pyside2 2021-09-21T10:17:16 < ventyl> nvm, the matter is that in certain scenarios, you had to call disconnect() or something similar before you emptied reference to pyqt object, otherwise it started acting weird eventually crashing 2021-09-21T10:27:26 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T10:27:26 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-21T10:29:06 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-21T10:52:14 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T10:56:30 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@217.140.106.13] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T10:58:12 < Fleck> ldr r0, [r5, #0] << can somebody interpret this? r0 target, r5 needs to contain memory address, r0 will have value from r5 address? 2021-09-21T10:58:32 < zyp> r0 = r5[0]; 2021-09-21T11:00:05 < Fleck> after this I get usagefault, r0 is 0 and r5 is also 0. UsageFault due to unaligned memory access 2021-09-21T11:00:26 < zyp> that doesn't make sense 2021-09-21T11:01:01 < Fleck> that I get usagefault or that r0 and r5 both are 0? :D 2021-09-21T11:02:36 < zyp> 0 isn't unaligned in any sense, so the alignment fault doesn't make sense 2021-09-21T11:02:58 < zyp> either you've not got an alignment fault or the address you're trying to access is not 0 2021-09-21T11:04:57 < Fleck> no you are right, that's not the instruction, I was doing step, not stepi, sorry, lets see witch one is it 2021-09-21T11:05:00 < zyp> when the information you have is inconsistent, it's pointless to deduce further from it, you have to go back and double check what you're trying to access and how it's faulting 2021-09-21T11:08:23 < jpa-> maybe the fault is delayed and is from some instruction a few items before 2021-09-21T11:08:37 < Fleck> next instruction is: r3 = r0[0]; ( ldr r3, [r0, #0] ), r0 is 0xf65afb95, stepi and hardfault 2021-09-21T11:09:01 < jpa-> have you explicitly enabled fault-on-unaligned-access? 2021-09-21T11:09:02 < zyp> can you post the whole CFSR value? 2021-09-21T11:09:32 < jpa-> usually only ldrd would fault on unaligned access 2021-09-21T11:10:06 < zyp> 0xf65afb95 is invalid anyway 2021-09-21T11:10:16 < zyp> sounds more like a busfault than an alignment fault 2021-09-21T11:10:28 < Fleck> https://p.rullz.lv/ipecarixec.coffeescript 2021-09-21T11:11:50 < zyp> Fleck, what does «x/wx 0xe000ed28» say? 2021-09-21T11:12:16 < Fleck> zyp: 0xe000ed28: 0x01000000 2021-09-21T11:13:00 < zyp> Fleck, what about «x/wx 0xe000ed14»? 2021-09-21T11:13:15 < jpa-> how about x /1i 0x08001580 2021-09-21T11:13:15 < Fleck> 0xe000ed14: 0x00070200 2021-09-21T11:13:49 < Fleck> 0x8001580 ldr r3, [r0, #0] 2021-09-21T11:13:59 < zyp> hmm, UNALIGN_TRP is disabled 2021-09-21T11:14:23 * Fleck looks up UNALIGN_TRP... 2021-09-21T11:14:32 < jpa-> do you see ldrd anywhere in x /16i 0x08001570 2021-09-21T11:14:40 < zyp> but CFSR does indeed say UNALIGNED 2021-09-21T11:15:47 < jpa-> (or strd, for that matter) 2021-09-21T11:16:52 < zyp> > Unaligned accesses are not supported to PPB space, and so there are no boundary crossing cases for PPB accesses. 2021-09-21T11:16:57 < Fleck> jpa-: https://p.rullz.lv/ipiyomajum.bash 2021-09-21T11:17:32 < zyp> I think you're just trying to access a garbage addr that happens to be in PPB space so it traps on alignment before it traps on bus error 2021-09-21T11:17:44 < Fleck> whats PPB? 2021-09-21T11:18:10 < Fleck> Private peripheral bus 2021-09-21T11:18:13 < zyp> addrs >= 0xe0000000 I believe 2021-09-21T11:18:32 < jpa-> yeah, that makes sense 2021-09-21T11:18:44 < jpa-> now just trace where your r0 is coming from 2021-09-21T11:18:57 < Fleck> thank you guys! 2021-09-21T11:19:06 < jpa-> i.e. from r5[0], and then where r5 is coming from 2021-09-21T11:25:43 < Fleck> hmm how did you come up with this address: 0xe000ed28 zyp? 2021-09-21T11:28:10 < ventyl> address of some register known from Cortex programming manual 2021-09-21T11:28:18 < jpa-> yeah, CFSR address 2021-09-21T11:28:51 < ventyl> not a bad thing to read in a situation you are in 2021-09-21T11:28:52 < jpa-> https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ddi0439/b/System-Control/Register-summary 2021-09-21T11:32:46 < Fleck> ok so 0xf65afb95 is in PPB? 2021-09-21T11:41:19 < zyp> it's a garbage addr, there's nothing there 2021-09-21T11:41:26 < zyp> but yeah, it should be in PPB region 2021-09-21T11:43:20 < Fleck> according to programming manual, it's vendor-specific-memory... PPB end at 0xE000EFA8 if I understand this correctly, I got confused there :D 2021-09-21T11:43:42 < Fleck> thanks, will look up, where 0xf65afb95 comes from 2021-09-21T11:59:38 < ventyl> what is code, which causes this doing? 2021-09-21T11:59:51 < ventyl> isn't some pointer arithmetic, or register manipulation involved? 2021-09-21T12:00:02 < ventyl> you may be missing barrier, or have off-by-one bug, or something similar 2021-09-21T12:10:02 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T12:15:38 < Fleck> looks like variable was just uninitialized... 2021-09-21T12:21:09 < ventyl> add -Wall to your compiler flags 2021-09-21T12:21:17 < ventyl> defaults are just insanely ignorant 2021-09-21T12:40:59 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T12:47:11 < catphish> kakium69: yeah i assume i'll want to use the kind of connectors that everything else in cars uses these days, waterproof, locking push-fit 2021-09-21T12:50:53 < ventyl> waterproof connectors in cars? haha 2021-09-21T12:51:04 < ventyl> maybe in engine comparment 2021-09-21T12:51:07 < zyp> catphish, what are you making? 2021-09-21T12:52:40 < catphish> zyp: automotive gauges 2021-09-21T12:52:50 < catphish> likely for classic cars 2021-09-21T12:53:07 < catphish> but with some modern tech thrown in for EV conversions 2021-09-21T12:54:38 < catphish> prototype #1 looks like this https://i.imgur.com/0d5TzqE.png but ultimately it should look more like https://d2culxnxbccemt.cloudfront.net/car/content/uploads/2015/06/30172328/NewProd-Image-11.jpg 2021-09-21T12:55:28 < catphish> i have to go dentist now :) 2021-09-21T13:00:27 < ventyl> interesting stuff. I'd want one if it was modular, so I could put it behind cluster panels of my car 2021-09-21T13:01:31 < zyp> fun 2021-09-21T13:02:17 < zyp> and yeah, wouldn't it make sense to make it more modular? 2021-09-21T13:03:31 < zyp> i.e. with each gauge being a module with a microcontroller hooked to a common bus, and then maybe a controller box that goes between the gauge bus and the rest of the IO 2021-09-21T13:05:23 < catphish> zyp: i han't actually considered that, but you're absolutely right and i will probably go that way! 2021-09-21T13:06:01 < zyp> :) 2021-09-21T13:06:28 < catphish> zyp: this would allow me to expand it to any number of gauges, and keep the MCU and CAN etc in a separate unit (which could be available with and without CAN) 2021-09-21T13:06:40 < catphish> you are a genius :) 2021-09-21T13:09:49 < ventyl> give submodules some "universal" mount points so they can be hacked into original cluster 2021-09-21T13:10:32 < ventyl> it won't work for really ancient clusters which use "sparrow nest" arrangement of freely laid wires, but it will work for newer clusters with large PCBs 2021-09-21T13:15:31 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T13:44:29 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@193.19.109.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-21T14:00:11 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T14:02:43 < mawk> why is the current curve of a charging supercap so weird 2021-09-21T14:02:53 < mawk> there's a lot of discontinuous steps 2021-09-21T14:03:04 < mawk> instead of a nice decreasing exponential 2021-09-21T14:03:16 < mawk> it looks like a ball bouncing down stairs 2021-09-21T14:08:21 < mawk> BrainDamage you must know 2021-09-21T14:08:32 < mawk> you know the capacitor model by heart 2021-09-21T14:08:53 < mawk> you dream about charged infinite parallel plates 2021-09-21T14:09:56 < jpa-> mawk: have a image? 2021-09-21T14:10:33 < mawk> in 10 minutes, I'm on the street having lunch currently 2021-09-21T14:11:38 < mawk> I tried a mentholed strawberry for my new ecigarette mix 2021-09-21T14:11:51 < mawk> but the menthol is anesthesiating the throat a bit 2021-09-21T14:12:10 < mawk> so I don't feel the nicotine scraping my throat like a razorblade, which is like the best part of smoking 2021-09-21T14:12:21 < mawk> I'm disappointed 2021-09-21T14:13:42 < mawk> I should put more propylene glycol in the mix 2021-09-21T14:13:48 < mawk> that's the scrapy ingredient 2021-09-21T14:14:04 < mawk> glycerine is the one producing the thing looking like smoke 2021-09-21T14:18:29 < ventyl> PPG also smokes a bit 2021-09-21T14:18:39 < ventyl> maybe PPG not, but ETG definitely does 2021-09-21T14:19:09 < mawk> I don't trust anything else than PG or VG 2021-09-21T14:19:25 < mawk> like 1-MCP burning holes through lungs of cannabinoid vapers in the USA 2021-09-21T14:19:28 < ventyl> well you don't want to ingest ETG, it is extremely toxic 2021-09-21T14:20:17 < mawk> unless it's a long enough polymer chain 2021-09-21T14:20:21 < mawk> then it just makes you shit a lot 2021-09-21T14:20:56 < ventyl> IIRC it causes decay of something in blood 2021-09-21T14:21:10 < ventyl> or maybe some organs decay 2021-09-21T14:21:16 < mawk> I hope not 2021-09-21T14:21:19 < mawk> I eat it everyday 2021-09-21T14:21:27 < mawk> macrogol 3000, I guess 3000 is the molecular weight 2021-09-21T14:21:34 < mawk> or the average polymer chain length 2021-09-21T14:21:35 < ventyl> anyway, ETC induced death is slow and painful 2021-09-21T14:21:43 < ventyl> *ETG 2021-09-21T14:22:07 < mawk> just drink beer with it 2021-09-21T14:22:13 < mawk> then you're fine 2021-09-21T14:23:02 < mawk> ethanol competes with ethylene glycol in the body so ethylene glycol doesn't bind 2021-09-21T14:23:25 < mawk> someone should serve antifreeze cocktails 2021-09-21T14:24:40 < mawk> it works with methanol too 2021-09-21T14:24:54 < mawk> if your moonshine has enough ethanol you won't go blind 2021-09-21T14:24:55 < ventyl> yeah I know 2021-09-21T14:25:14 < mawk> are you sure that my organs are decaying? 2021-09-21T14:25:23 < mawk> maybe I need another medication instead of PEG 2021-09-21T14:25:26 < ventyl> there was a case in czechia, that someone added methanol to base used for commercial beverages and a lot of people had problems 2021-09-21T14:26:07 < mawk> that sounds like something someone in China would do 2021-09-21T14:26:20 < ventyl> for people who didn't drank extensive amount of stuff the treatment was to keep them drank by infusing methanol 2021-09-21T14:27:01 < ventyl> well, guys who did that told media, that their plan would go unnoticed if original manufacturers didn't add some methanol themselves, so resulting mixture was "too hot" 2021-09-21T14:27:13 < mawk> lol 2021-09-21T14:27:23 < mawk> in what year was it? 2021-09-21T14:27:34 < ventyl> less than 10 years ago I guess 2021-09-21T14:27:40 < mawk> lol 2021-09-21T14:29:17 < ventyl> 2012 2021-09-21T14:29:48 < BrainDamage> mawk a supercap is sort of hybrid between a cap and a battery, it has an electrolyte in the mid an ions need to migrate 2021-09-21T14:32:08 < ventyl> apparently the ethanol : methanol mixture was almost 1 : 1, it seems as if some distillation step was completely skipped 2021-09-21T14:32:34 < BrainDamage> there's 3 effects in play, classic capacitance, pseudocapacitance from ion drift and charge transfer 2021-09-21T14:32:47 < BrainDamage> a supercap can imply normally two, or even 3 2021-09-21T14:32:52 * karlp furiously takes notes 2021-09-21T14:33:38 < jpa-> karlp: about vape liquids? 2021-09-21T14:33:42 < BrainDamage> pseudocapacitance from ion drift is also called electric double-layer 2021-09-21T14:34:28 < BrainDamage> and it's the layer of ions at the interface between a solid and a liquid 2021-09-21T14:35:32 < mawk> https://serveur.io/Screenshot_20210921133049598.png 2021-09-21T14:35:36 < mawk> https://serveur.io/Screenshot_20210921133049598.png 2021-09-21T14:35:38 < mawk> that's the graph 2021-09-21T14:36:35 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voltagram-Engl.png 2021-09-21T14:36:42 < mawk> so these discontinuous jumps and the fact that i(t) isn't monotonous come from this ion drift? 2021-09-21T14:37:16 < BrainDamage> that + resistance 2021-09-21T14:37:47 < BrainDamage> and if it uses charge transfer, there's even redox reactions happening 2021-09-21T14:37:49 < mawk> this is the discharging curve, the charging curve should look similar right? 2021-09-21T14:38:07 < mawk> but my curve looks even weirder 2021-09-21T14:38:09 < BrainDamage> unfortunately, no :p 2021-09-21T14:38:14 < mawk> I have 4 supercaps in parallel though 2021-09-21T14:38:17 < mawk> ah 2021-09-21T14:38:26 < mawk> each 1.25F 2021-09-21T14:38:36 < mawk> I think 2021-09-21T14:38:50 < mawk> they go by 2, in a single package; I assume they are in parallel inside 2021-09-21T14:38:51 < jpa-> in my opinion, your curve looks like problem in your setup 2021-09-21T14:39:11 < mawk> I'm not testing the caps alone, some other electronics is alive 2021-09-21T14:39:19 < mawk> but the other electronis draws 7.5µA max 2021-09-21T14:39:25 < BrainDamage> the steps are the results of something else 2021-09-21T14:39:27 < jpa-> maybe your supply voltage is changing for some reason? 2021-09-21T14:39:27 < mawk> I'm using the "otii arc" thing to measure current 2021-09-21T14:39:36 < mawk> it's expensive so the supply voltage should be pretty constant 2021-09-21T14:40:01 < BrainDamage> the upwards curve instead is the reactions in the supercap 2021-09-21T14:40:02 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@217.140.106.13] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-21T14:40:07 < jpa-> does the datasheet specify "Supply voltage ripple vs. price of device"? 2021-09-21T14:40:13 < mawk> but I know the board is defective in one way or another, so maybe some component on the board is doing that; but when I tested the board alone without the caps it looked fine 2021-09-21T14:40:20 < mawk> so that's why I thought maybe the caps are dying 2021-09-21T14:40:54 < mawk> it's this: https://www.mouser.fr/datasheet/2/40/AVX_SCM-1018838.pdf 2021-09-21T14:41:02 < mawk> 5.0V 2.5F 2021-09-21T14:41:26 < mawk> there's no nice curve in it though 2021-09-21T14:41:35 < mawk> ah you meant the otii arc thing lol 2021-09-21T14:42:05 < BrainDamage> the large steps in voltage usually mean that current is being draw as a step 2021-09-21T14:42:17 < BrainDamage> and the ESR gives you a jump in voltage 2021-09-21T14:42:34 < mawk> I also have long shitty wires between the supply and the board 2021-09-21T14:43:08 < BrainDamage> attach a simple resistor to the caps 2021-09-21T14:43:34 < BrainDamage> you should see the inital step, then the bulge, then the discharge 2021-09-21T14:43:39 < mawk> I set the supply voltage to 3.6, and a multimeter gives 3.5946 without much change around that 2021-09-21T14:43:44 < mawk> maybe a 0.0001V ripple 2021-09-21T14:44:15 < mawk> ah good idea 2021-09-21T14:45:55 < mawk> but I need a real scope for that instead of that current meter thing 2021-09-21T14:49:34 < mawk> jpa-: it's this thing https://www.qoitech.com/ 2021-09-21T14:49:44 < mawk> 100% of people around me that heard about it say it's good 2021-09-21T14:50:15 < mawk> it can emulate a battery profile also if you pay extra 2021-09-21T14:55:18 < karlp> jpa-: no, supercap behaviours 2021-09-21T14:58:01 < mawk> do not lie karlp I know you are jealous of my big clouds; I can help you get started with this model: https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.18169-9/12140635_901103439970095_1663814191743018474_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=85a577&_nc_ohc=k6mlW9R7JXoAX9XoWt7&_nc_ht=scontent-cdg2-1.xx&oh=16b1c78116dbafe7c9e495fb66587f4f&oe=616DB914&dl=0 2021-09-21T14:58:05 < jpa-> mawk: with the 1 ohm ESR, a 0.1 mV change in supply voltage would give 100 µA change in current 2021-09-21T14:58:12 < jpa-> .. which is pretty much what you are seeing 2021-09-21T14:58:24 < mawk> jpa-: discontinuous changes like this? 2021-09-21T14:58:30 < mawk> all the mcu stuff is asleep, in the graph 2021-09-21T14:58:33 < jpa-> if the power supply is digitally controlled, yes 2021-09-21T14:58:37 < mawk> nothing should start drawing more or less like this 2021-09-21T14:58:39 < mawk> ah, I see 2021-09-21T14:59:11 < jpa-> (to be more exact: if the power supply feedback loop is partly or fully digital) 2021-09-21T14:59:43 < mawk> maybe I should recalibrate the power supply so it stops changing 2021-09-21T14:59:50 < mawk> when it's warmed up you need to recalibrate it 2021-09-21T15:02:18 < karlp> man, otii toolboxes are far tooe xpensive. 2021-09-21T15:02:34 < karlp> buying a controllable device and then wanting $100 a month for the control options is fucked up 2021-09-21T15:03:03 < mawk> you mean the battery profile? 2021-09-21T15:03:16 < mawk> using it as a power supply and drawing graphs is free, that's enough 2021-09-21T15:03:27 < karlp> the automation toolbox as well. 2021-09-21T15:03:36 < mawk> ah yeah 2021-09-21T15:03:47 < mawk> but it's free compared to altium 2021-09-21T15:03:52 < mawk> so they can propose this price 2021-09-21T15:07:45 < mawk> also something with the otii, there is a ground loop or whatever else thing I don't understand, but if I connect my PC's ground the board, then current jumps all over the place 2021-09-21T15:07:56 < mawk> for instance, to look at the UART 2021-09-21T15:08:07 < mawk> the otii has a uart thing in itself that I could use instead, but that's still annoying 2021-09-21T15:12:11 < BrainDamage> usb 1.1 isolators are cheap 2021-09-21T15:14:01 < mawk> well I expected they had one inside 2021-09-21T15:14:08 < mawk> why would connecting just the ground of another thing do that? 2021-09-21T15:14:31 < mawk> electrons don't flow in my ground cable, they're in a traffic jam 2021-09-21T15:16:10 < jpa-> maybe your laptop ground is at 120 VAC and messes things up 2021-09-21T15:16:21 < mawk> ah maybe 2021-09-21T15:17:25 < tct> somebody fix the router in London pls. 2021-09-21T15:17:27 < tct> and stop brexitting. 2021-09-21T15:17:31 < tct> thanks 2021-09-21T15:31:42 < jadew> I just saw "Yesterday" - enjoyable 2021-09-21T15:56:29 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-21T16:32:45 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T16:42:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T16:50:38 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-21T16:51:18 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T17:00:30 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@fw-tnat-cam2.arm.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T17:05:33 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T17:11:10 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@static.127.92.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-21T17:12:29 -!- Flecks [~fleck@user/fleck] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T17:12:49 -!- Fleck [~fleck@user/fleck] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-21T17:13:21 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@static.127.92.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-21T18:00:39 < Steffanx> Fixed, tct 2021-09-21T18:08:10 < tct> thanks Steffanx 2021-09-21T18:08:16 < tct> your services are greatly appreciated 2021-09-21T18:17:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-21T18:33:22 < bitmask> what services might those be? is Steffanx offering blowjobs for money again? 2021-09-21T18:45:00 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-21T19:02:41 < Steffanx> I fixed his London router, bitmask 2021-09-21T19:03:18 < bitmask> is that a router in London, or something else entirely :P 2021-09-21T19:03:53 < Steffanx> It's whatever you want it to be 2021-09-21T19:04:06 < Steffanx> Use your imagination 2021-09-21T19:04:15 < bitmask> cool, well in that case I'm going to take a shower, just imagine me naked with warm water caressing my body 2021-09-21T19:04:47 * bitmask wonders if he took it too far... nope 2021-09-21T19:07:07 < BrainDamage> new stm32 official apparel https://whatever.co/work/wfh-jammies/ 2021-09-21T19:07:57 < mawk> on the company server (that contains all the company data and other critical stuff) I saw two drives blinking 2021-09-21T19:08:02 < mawk> so I took them out and in again 2021-09-21T19:08:13 < mawk> and very unexpectedly, that destroyed the RAID5 array 2021-09-21T19:08:17 < mawk> I don't get why 2021-09-21T19:08:23 < mawk> and now my colleagues are mad at me 2021-09-21T19:08:57 < mawk> but after forcing rebuilding the array the data on it is fine 2021-09-21T19:09:00 < mawk> so I'm lucky 2021-09-21T19:10:04 < BrainDamage> unspectedly, really? 2021-09-21T19:10:25 < mawk> more or less 2021-09-21T19:10:39 < mawk> I didn't take them out at the same time 2021-09-21T19:10:53 < mawk> one, then put back, then the other, then put back 2021-09-21T19:11:13 < BrainDamage> except zfs and btrfs all raids can only work with whole disk rebuild, not portion 2021-09-21T19:11:40 < mawk> the raid controller stopped writing data as soon as a disk was pulled, so the raid wasn't busted 2021-09-21T19:11:40 < BrainDamage> so after pulling one out, the whole state was crippled until you rebuild the data for the whole disk 2021-09-21T19:11:47 < BrainDamage> which is megastupid 2021-09-21T19:12:04 < mawk> I didn't rebuild the array, I used the wrong word I guess 2021-09-21T19:12:09 < mawk> I just clicked "force enable" 2021-09-21T19:12:21 < mawk> and it used the data that was left on the disks at the time of pulling out 2021-09-21T19:12:31 < mawk> and I don't know why but it still works 2021-09-21T19:12:48 < mawk> probably the hw raid controller is smart enough to stop writing when one disk errors 2021-09-21T19:16:36 < BrainDamage> there's likely few kB of data broken somewhere 2021-09-21T19:16:48 < BrainDamage> butt you might just ignore it 2021-09-21T19:21:05 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-21T19:30:02 < Flecks> help :( https://p.rullz.lv/baxepihiru.shell 2021-09-21T19:32:57 < Flecks> how is timer callback working, if prev. callback is not finished, is new one ignored or stacked? 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She was placed on administrative leave. 2021-09-21T23:06:59 < bitmask> oh man 2021-09-21T23:28:53 < mawk> lol 2021-09-21T23:51:17 < kakium69> project recommendations? --- Day changed Wed Sep 22 2021 2021-09-22T00:04:01 < machinehum> https://imgur.com/HFYVXhU 2021-09-22T00:04:13 < machinehum> Accurate? 2021-09-22T00:09:49 < jadew> never used lcsc, but yeah, it sounds accurate 2021-09-22T00:19:08 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T00:20:05 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has quit [Changing host] 2021-09-22T00:20:05 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@user/unmanbearpig] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T00:22:05 < kakium69> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OuLsPDpK4fbt-mS-S55N1-VhmdzkQ8Ay/view?usp=sharing Shenzhen 2021-09-22T00:24:57 < kakium69> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JTrt5h8xr0oe0Ku_5ztHgWgg36JP4pB6/view?usp=sharing SEG Plaza 2021-09-22T00:25:57 < kakium69> we went to that "small" building in front of seg plaza and visited just the first floor. it was full of phone parts and accessories 2021-09-22T00:27:13 < kakium69> when you order electronics stuff from ebay it just might come from one of those buildings or the general area of city 2021-09-22T00:31:30 < kakium69> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LZZnyWR2ChOen3X-6Hb4udJq7USpFlvJ/view?usp=sharing yammy drink 2021-09-22T00:32:57 < kakium69> it didn't have pop so it was basically juice version of red bull 2021-09-22T00:35:30 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtFLKmb2w7A 2021-09-22T00:36:11 < kakium69> yaiks jadew 2021-09-22T00:39:56 < kakium69> is that chimney like a.. those things communism build like big concrete sculptures and shit 2021-09-22T00:40:22 < jadew> I don't know why they built it 2021-09-22T00:40:34 < jadew> but I know I wouldn't climb it 2021-09-22T00:42:42 < kakium69> they should put a ticket booth at bottom 2021-09-22T00:43:06 < kakium69> there is more videos of people climbing there 2021-09-22T00:44:30 < kakium69> it's that high because of the terrain 2021-09-22T00:44:54 < jadew> did they start at 0? 2021-09-22T00:45:07 < jadew> ah, you mean it's because otherwise the smoke wouldn't disperse right 2021-09-22T00:45:22 < jadew> yeah, I think that's how they calculate the height of the thing 2021-09-22T00:45:33 < jadew> but it also probably depends on what they're burning 2021-09-22T00:45:53 < jadew> if they're so bent on keeping it away from the people, maybe it's not a good idea to go there 2021-09-22T00:46:08 < kakium69> or the volume 2021-09-22T00:46:49 < kakium69> you wouldn't want to fill the valley with COx 2021-09-22T00:48:11 < kakium69> it's a coal power plant 2021-09-22T00:55:11 < Steffann> I get nervous by just watching this video.. 2021-09-22T00:56:33 < jadew> yeah, what if it's not maintained, what if the wind blows a little too hard 2021-09-22T00:56:43 < Steffann> Apparently it's now used to free climb too 2021-09-22T00:56:45 < jadew> what if you slip 2021-09-22T00:57:20 < Steffann> https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/sport/slovenia-chimney-climbing-europe-spt-intl/index.html 2021-09-22T01:01:26 < kakium69> I see ropes 2021-09-22T01:01:33 < kakium69> but man 2021-09-22T01:01:49 < kakium69> that is crazy 2021-09-22T01:13:56 -!- sauce [~sauce@omae.wa.mou.shindei.ru] has quit [Quit: sauce] 2021-09-22T01:15:37 -!- sauce [~sauce@omae.wa.mou.shindei.ru] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T01:21:46 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-22T01:55:26 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T01:59:03 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-22T02:10:54 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:c400:c1d2:be8f:bc49] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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2021-09-22T14:45:24 < mawk> "de telegraaf" or something 2021-09-22T14:55:48 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-22T15:10:24 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T15:31:05 < Steffann> You wouldn't find my father in Delft, mawk 2021-09-22T15:43:11 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-22T15:48:12 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T16:04:50 -!- Alexer [~alexer@alexer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-22T16:05:03 -!- Alexer [~alexer@alexer.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T16:21:51 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has left ##stm32 [leaving] 2021-09-22T16:42:33 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T16:59:38 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-22T17:50:48 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T17:55:38 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-22T18:02:55 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T18:04:53 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@user/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-22T18:19:04 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:d05c:2da5:e99c:7ac6] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T18:33:01 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-22T18:54:02 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-22T18:56:59 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-22T19:41:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T19:46:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-22T19:47:04 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T19:48:02 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-22T19:50:27 < karlp> zyp: is this sort of thing "good" or "bad" ? https://paste.centos.org/view/68c69070 2021-09-22T19:52:45 < karlp> nvm, doesn' 2021-09-22T19:53:08 < karlp> t work after I've put it in the right files anyway, works if I have it as my own shit, but can't attach it as a "dma" method anywhere.. 2021-09-22T20:23:18 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@188.126.175.129] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T20:23:22 < drzacek> hello there 2021-09-22T20:25:07 < drzacek> will the timer generate interrupt on counter value change when in encoder mode? 2021-09-22T20:26:08 < jpa-> no, not on every change 2021-09-22T20:26:26 < jpa-> overflow interrupts work as normal, and if you want interrupt on every edge you can combine it with e.g. EXTI 2021-09-22T20:27:37 < drzacek> okay 2021-09-22T20:28:08 < drzacek> I can still check the GPIO status (low or high) on those pins, right? 2021-09-22T20:28:30 < Steffann> Yes 2021-09-22T20:28:31 < drzacek> if I would get interrupt on A signal, then I could check the B signal to get the direction? 2021-09-22T20:29:49 < jpa-> yes, if for some reason you want to do the encoder processing manually in an interrupt 2021-09-22T20:30:07 < jpa-> but do note that if you have fast pulses, the state could have already changed when you get to the interrupt handler 2021-09-22T20:30:49 < drzacek> well I'm struggling how to implement it in code rn, it is possible that I am trying to overcomplicate stuff that has easy and obvious solution 2021-09-22T20:31:28 < drzacek> I know the TIMx->CNT has the right value. Maybe I should just work with that 2021-09-22T20:31:51 < jpa-> yes, that would be normal way 2021-09-22T20:32:22 < drzacek> guess it's not that bad as I initially thought. 2021-09-22T20:32:41 < drzacek> just need to calculate the increments on overflow 2021-09-22T20:34:49 < jpa-> int64_t big_counter = 0; (int16_t)delta = TIM->CNT - prev_tim_cnt; big_counter += delta; 2021-09-22T20:35:19 < jpa-> prev_tim_cnt += delta; 2021-09-22T20:35:21 < zyp> karlp, I'm not sure what you're attempting to do, what are you passing as T1? 2021-09-22T20:35:48 < jpa-> drzacek: here is also a simple encoder counter in software: http://paste.dy.fi/2Lt/plain 2021-09-22T20:35:58 < Steffann> Btw if you have like mechanical vibration or other glitches and just use a interrupt you might count wrong. 2021-09-22T20:36:09 < jpa-> Steffann: why? 2021-09-22T20:36:12 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 2021-09-22T20:36:15 < Steffann> http://makeatronics.blogspot.com/2013/02/efficiently-reading-quadrature-with.html?m=1 sometimes like this adds some extra state checks. 2021-09-22T20:37:08 < Steffann> If your A bounches and B does not, will you dec/inc? 2021-09-22T20:37:22 < Steffann> But you do serve the interrupt on A twice 2021-09-22T20:37:32 < drzacek> true 2021-09-22T20:37:48 < jpa-> you need to read the GPIO state synchronously and not actually care about what interrupt was triggered 2021-09-22T20:37:55 < drzacek> doubt in this case, it's the one with really low resolution everyone use for arduinos 2021-09-22T20:38:07 < drzacek> guess the ones with 4000 increments / rev would be more affected 2021-09-22T20:38:23 < jpa-> drzacek: the cheapest ones are most prone to bounce when they wear out 2021-09-22T20:38:24 < zyp> if I were doing quadrature in software, I'd just store previous state and compare to current 2021-09-22T20:38:35 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T20:39:51 < zyp> bounce is only an issue if you're moving faster than the settling time, otherwise it'll just bounce between the previous and current value until it settles on the current 2021-09-22T20:41:42 < Steffann> The LUT solution is pretty much doing that. Compare the previous/current state. 2021-09-22T20:46:46 < Steffann> Anyway, I just mentioned this because drzacek talked about the "naive" way to do it. 2021-09-22T21:03:15 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2021-09-22T21:05:10 -!- con3 [~con3@2604:a880:4:1d0::be:d000] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T21:07:49 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T21:09:32 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-22T21:11:21 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T21:12:51 -!- c4017w__ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T21:14:14 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-22T21:16:53 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-22T21:17:30 -!- c4017w__ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-22T21:20:26 < karlp> zyp: just so it doesn't get upset about uint8_t, char, int, blah for the channel number 2021-09-22T21:20:36 < karlp> don't worry about it much. 2021-09-22T21:21:33 < karlp> was just trying to do the whole if (DMA1.ISR & dma_flag_HTIF(channel)) { DMA1.ICFR = dma_flag_HTFI(channel)); /* pocess shit */ } sort of thing 2021-09-22T21:21:55 < zyp> ah, that shouldn't be an issue 2021-09-22T21:22:18 < karlp> and trying to attach it somewhere namespaced, rather than a global with long preipheral prefixes c-style... 2021-09-22T21:22:49 < karlp> tomorrow's project is scons for cmsis-dsp I guess. 2021-09-22T21:24:24 < zyp> if you're sticking it in the class anyway, couldn't you just do something like bool teif(uint32_t channel) { return ptr->TEIF & (8 << (channel * 4)) ? true : false; }? 2021-09-22T21:24:47 < zyp> possibly with an even more descriptive name than teif 2021-09-22T21:25:44 < zyp> part of the point of making it object oriented is that you can add methods acting on the instance itself, not just namespacing 2021-09-22T21:29:47 < drzacek> Steffanx, aww. I preffer the term "less good" 2021-09-22T21:30:54 < Steffanx> hah, drzacek. ;) 2021-09-22T21:31:14 < karlp> zyp: probably, but it starts to be something that's on the registers, and shared across different ones. 2021-09-22T21:31:19 < karlp> I'll experiment a little. 2021-09-22T21:31:36 < karlp> the "just the registers maam" approach is nice for a lot of things, but sometimes stillhard to read. 2021-09-22T21:40:21 < Flecks> so guys, looks like this... main() is doing _free_r() when inerrupt callback is being called, that also does _free_r()... and I get UsageFault/HardFault 2021-09-22T21:42:07 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T21:42:37 < qyx> karlp: I used cmsis-dsp with scons 2021-09-22T21:42:45 < qyx> scons isn't the problem 2021-09-22T21:43:25 < qyx> or maybe it was 2021-09-22T21:43:47 < qyx> I wasn't able to persuade it to compile only sources which are actually needed 2021-09-22T21:46:02 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-22T21:46:51 < sauce> Flecks: doing anything with the heap in an interrupt handler strikes me as a real bad idea in general 2021-09-22T21:48:24 < sauce> looks like newlib/freertos does have specific provisions for this though, with caveats https://github.com/eblot/newlib/blob/master/newlib/libc/stdlib/malloc.c#L158 2021-09-22T21:50:48 < Flecks> OK so I need to use __malloc_lock/__malloc_unlock 2021-09-22T21:51:22 < sauce> it looks like they are called internally so you just need to provide a sensible implementation 2021-09-22T21:51:33 < sauce> (but an external lock would also do the trick) 2021-09-22T21:52:11 < Flecks> thanks, will take a look into this! :) 2021-09-22T22:06:25 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T22:18:54 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T22:20:34 < karlp> qyx: nah, it shouldn't be too hard, just have to do it... 2021-09-22T22:20:43 < karlp> brushing the udst off all my old dsp modelling shits again 2021-09-22T22:20:57 < karlp> pretttttty sure I'm gonna need an opamp though 2021-09-22T22:30:50 < kakium69> is new Dune out? 2021-09-22T22:31:30 < kakium69> ah it's in heckin movies now 2021-09-22T22:33:34 < karlp> zyp: I poked a little more, but it's too much lost in c++ land for me :) I'll just ignore it for now, until I learn more, 2021-09-22T22:57:18 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T23:03:27 < drzacek> another noob question. I connected 2 buttons to two GPIO pins, configured it as exti inputs. Defined the HAL_GPIO_EXTI_Callback(pin) function. It seem to work, I get the interrupts when I press the buttons, and can filter the pins out 2021-09-22T23:03:47 < drzacek> but on one of the buttons I receive 2 interrupts, instead of one. Am I missing here something? 2021-09-22T23:15:12 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-22T23:23:55 < kakium69> did you debounce the button? 2021-09-22T23:41:08 < kakium69> drzacek: did you? 2021-09-22T23:41:32 < drzacek> as in - unpress it? 2021-09-22T23:44:38 < drzacek> kakium69, what does debounce mean? 2021-09-22T23:44:56 < kakium69> welcome to basics of basics 2021-09-22T23:45:07 < kakium69> you need to add debouncing circuit to button 2021-09-22T23:45:44 < kakium69> button contacts mechanically bounce when you press the button 2021-09-22T23:47:15 < drzacek> okay, so I think I have general idea what bounce is, thanks to google 2021-09-22T23:47:19 < drzacek> how do I debounce? 2021-09-22T23:47:30 < drzacek> add fat capacitor? 2021-09-22T23:48:12 < kakium69> 100n 2021-09-22T23:48:21 < kakium69> and a resistor 2021-09-22T23:48:26 < kakium69> or two resistors 2021-09-22T23:48:49 < kakium69> there is multiple ways of implementing debounce circuit 2021-09-22T23:49:05 < sauce> id skip the electronics part and just do software debounce....ie ignore edges for a period after the first 2021-09-22T23:50:33 < kakium69> actually if you use internal pullup you can do debounce with one cap 2021-09-22T23:51:10 < kakium69> that you need to calculate to have sufficient ramp time with internal weak pull-up 2021-09-22T23:51:20 < sauce> that only gives you a ramp in one direction though 2021-09-22T23:51:30 < sauce> there is still a case where multiple edges can be generated 2021-09-22T23:51:34 < kakium69> do you need the other direction? 2021-09-22T23:53:25 < kakium69> you push the button and it grounds the cap 2021-09-22T23:53:31 < kakium69> instantly 2021-09-22T23:54:03 < kakium69> then there is slow ramp up. slow in terms of bouncing time 2021-09-22T23:54:08 < sauce> it doesnt go from infinite resistance to 0 immediately 2021-09-22T23:54:53 < kakium69> but it goes to 0 before bouncing 2021-09-22T23:54:56 < drzacek> interesting 2021-09-22T23:55:07 < sauce> no guarantee of that at all 2021-09-22T23:55:13 < drzacek> gonna play with it tomorrow, need to get osciloscope to see it 2021-09-22T23:56:42 < kakium69> https://hackaday.com/2015/12/09/embed-with-elliot-debounce-your-noisy-buttons-part-i/ here drzacek --- Day changed Thu Sep 23 2021 2021-09-23T00:00:08 < kakium69> https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/proper_debouncing-sch.png personally I use this 2021-09-23T00:05:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T00:09:10 < Steffanx> software debounce.. 2021-09-23T00:10:16 < kakium69> if you are dying to save 2cents or idk.. 5mm2 2021-09-23T00:13:41 < Steffanx> Yes 2021-09-23T00:14:55 < sauce> or not interested in baking assumptions into your electrical design about the mechanical state and parameters of the system 2021-09-23T00:15:37 < kakium69> a compromise: use both 2021-09-23T00:16:33 < Steffanx> Ill ask what your manager prefers 2021-09-23T00:16:52 < kakium69> I have dreamt of using both 2021-09-23T00:17:02 < kakium69> the ultimate debounce 2021-09-23T00:24:12 < Steffanx> kakium69: This showed up in my youtube list because you talked about queen's bohemian rhapsody: https://youtu.be/wYwAXFl26t0 2021-09-23T00:24:36 < kakium69> did I broken your tubes just by talking in ircs? 2021-09-23T00:24:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-23T00:24:48 < Steffanx> perhaps.. 2021-09-23T00:26:36 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@188.126.175.129] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-23T00:26:37 < kakium69> nice nice but that song is too much for her 2021-09-23T00:27:29 < Steffanx> ok and next was this apparently: https://youtu.be/YKyBGuFHEXY 2021-09-23T00:29:28 < kakium69> what a world we can watch the exact same television entertainment but with different people and language 2021-09-23T00:29:48 < Steffanx> and it was invented by the dutch 2021-09-23T00:31:14 < kakium69> not that I watch that 2021-09-23T00:32:04 < Steffanx> i wont judge you kakium69 2021-09-23T00:33:11 < kakium69> it's television karaoke basically 2021-09-23T00:33:22 -!- emeryth [emeryth@boston-packets.hackerspace.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 2021-09-23T00:37:51 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2021-09-23T00:38:24 < Steffanx> nah 2021-09-23T00:39:05 < kakium69> it is 2021-09-23T00:39:09 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T00:39:32 < kakium69> with dramatization 2021-09-23T00:45:12 < Steffanx> Too much talk, that for sure. 2021-09-23T01:24:36 < octorian> I keep wondering whether to "upgrade" from my ST-Link v3 to a Segger J-Link. (yes, I know there's an enormous cost difference) At the most basic level, simply being able to have more than 2 breakpoints is very tempting. 2021-09-23T01:24:47 < octorian> Also, at some point I might want to play with the fancier JTAG features. 2021-09-23T01:25:55 < PaulFertser> You can get J-Link EDU 2021-09-23T01:26:36 < PaulFertser> What stm32 has just 2 hw breakpoints btw? 2021-09-23T01:27:03 < octorian> AFAIK, it does. I know with my ST-Link it won't let me set more than that. 2021-09-23T01:27:49 < octorian> One thing I did notice is that the J-Link doesn't support ETM unless you get the absolutely-highest-end one of their products. (Haven't used ETM myself yet, but I sometimes see people pushing it as a useful feature) 2021-09-23T01:28:10 < PaulFertser> octorian: what's your target MCU? 2021-09-23T01:28:28 < octorian> I've got two projects going right now. One is on an L0, and the other is on an F4. 2021-09-23T01:30:17 < PaulFertser> octorian: I'm sure F4 has more than 2 breakpoits. 2021-09-23T01:31:04 < PaulFertser> L0 is Cortex-M0 based it doesn't even have ITM, why do you mention ETM? 2021-09-23T01:32:45 < PaulFertser> octorian: https://github.com/orbcode/orbuculum offers solutions to do parallel trace with ice40. 2021-09-23T01:34:06 < octorian> I know the L0 doesn't have any of those fancy capabilities, but the F4 does. 2021-09-23T01:34:32 < kakium69> if you run into problems 2021-09-23T01:34:41 < kakium69> then buy JLINK EDU 2021-09-23T01:41:06 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVuZDtz-Aes scifi miniseries 2021-09-23T01:42:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-23T02:16:25 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@arcanum.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-23T02:57:25 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-23T03:07:28 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T03:31:36 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-23T03:37:38 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-23T03:49:40 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T03:53:02 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-23T03:56:00 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:d05c:2da5:e99c:7ac6] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Apparently ST never got to documenting this properly. 2021-09-23T11:49:38 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T12:25:16 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T13:40:44 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T14:09:28 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-23T14:14:38 < karlp> qyx: zyp: why is the StaticLibrary() ignoring the CPPPATH and TOOLCHAIN variables?! https://paste.centos.org/view/31010cae 2021-09-23T14:14:39 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.210.151] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-23T14:16:39 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.190.165] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T14:17:25 < karlp> nvm, it's because I did StaticLibrary() instead of env.StaticLibrary() 2021-09-23T14:19:58 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T14:45:46 < Helmholtz> Are busybox or toybox dependent on a Linux kernel? 2021-09-23T14:46:05 < Helmholtz> Can we run them in a ESP32 or STM32 board (and use UART TTY for interaction) 2021-09-23T14:47:48 < karlp> they depend on syscalls existing, as long as youy're providing them... 2021-09-23T14:47:56 < karlp> they don't care if it's linux or somethign else. 2021-09-23T14:49:45 < Helmholtz> Do usual embedded ROTSes like freeRTOS or Zephyr or NuttX have a shell like POSIX sh? 2021-09-23T14:50:40 < karlp> they can do. 2021-09-23T14:51:12 < karlp> freertos it's very much not in core kernel, but it might be in the extra stuff, zephyr and nuttx often have a console application you can enable. 2021-09-23T14:57:44 < Helmholtz> karlp, 👍 2021-09-23T15:32:05 -!- drzacek_ [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T15:33:05 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@b941c009.business.dg-w.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-23T15:39:57 < mawk> it's my birthday Steffanx 2021-09-23T15:40:08 < mawk> send me a nude picture of you as a present 2021-09-23T15:40:37 < ventyl> jesus SConstruct 2021-09-23T15:40:51 < mawk> the messiah returned? 2021-09-23T15:41:32 < ventyl> nope, a simple typo :) 2021-09-23T15:42:52 < ventyl> TIL that Sodoma and Jericho events as depicted by the bible were most probably caused by the explosion of meteorite similar to Tunguska one 2021-09-23T15:47:32 < mouseghost> => meteorites are due to the fact that men have butt-sex 2021-09-23T15:47:41 < mouseghost> among other natural distasters 2021-09-23T15:47:49 < mouseghost> so gays are to blame for every humanity problem 2021-09-23T15:48:07 < mouseghost> (ofc /s) 2021-09-23T15:48:22 < mouseghost> gosh thatd be funnier if i still had my wikipedia cloak 2021-09-23T15:56:17 < ventyl> how can you have such thoughts coming from such a country? 2021-09-23T15:58:52 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T16:00:53 < karlp> for anyone playing at home, (hah) cmsis-dsp in scons with laks, autoselecting arch: https://github.com/karlp/l2-simple/blob/main/SConstruct#L44-L86 2021-09-23T16:03:32 < Helmholtz> ventyl, How does that explain Lut's wife turning to salt? 2021-09-23T16:04:11 < ventyl> Helmholtz: sorry, I ever only got to Noah with bible reading. no guts to continue reading further 2021-09-23T16:05:10 < zyp> karlp, fun 2021-09-23T16:05:31 < karlp> tweaked the freertos stuff to autoselect port too after poking the environment a little bit to understand better. 2021-09-23T16:06:07 < zyp> those defines in dsp_opts could be added to the cortex-m platform defs if they're reasonably standard 2021-09-23T16:09:25 < karlp> yeah, wanted to get it working first :) 2021-09-23T16:09:30 < karlp> not sure how standard they are honestly. 2021-09-23T16:09:45 < karlp> note the freertos ones higher up are ~similar, but different. 2021-09-23T16:10:37 < karlp> it doesn't need a dict either, but I thought I would need more options when i started :) 2021-09-23T16:11:52 -!- drzacek_ is now known as drzacek 2021-09-23T16:12:14 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-23T16:12:30 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T17:04:34 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-23T17:19:44 < englishman> happy birthday mawk 2021-09-23T17:27:49 < Steffanx> Happy birthday mawk 2021-09-23T17:29:34 < Steffanx> No nudes for you.. 2021-09-23T17:32:41 < mouseghost> happy birthdaty makw 2021-09-23T18:12:05 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T18:19:10 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-23T19:02:10 -!- icee [~icee@2001:470:69fc:105::2b16] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-23T19:02:10 -!- Helmholtz [~leibnizma@user/helmholtz] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-23T19:04:23 -!- icee [~icee@2001:470:69fc:105::2b16] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T19:24:43 -!- Helmholtz [~leibnizma@2001:470:69fc:105::3124] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T20:11:23 < karlp> heh, how do I C again? "ts->filter[i].init(filter_coeffs, 1, 2^15);" 2021-09-23T20:13:07 < jpa-> you C very well 2021-09-23T20:13:12 < jpa-> i C your bug also 2021-09-23T20:28:10 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-23T20:53:17 < mawk> thanks 2021-09-23T20:53:27 < mawk> not with 2^15 karlp 2021-09-23T20:53:30 < mawk> that means xor 2021-09-23T20:54:27 < mawk> unless that's what you meant 2021-09-23T20:56:59 < karlp> that's.... the joke, that's why I pasted it. it was absolutely not what I intended :) 2021-09-23T20:57:01 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-23T20:57:07 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T20:58:50 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-23T21:01:14 < mawk> :( 2021-09-23T21:02:00 < PaulFertser> tfw mawk is the most naive channel participant 2021-09-23T21:05:09 < PaulFertser> btw, stm32 pros, have you seen my morning link about how one timer can be used to gate another PWMing timer? Seems to be rather poorly documented. 2021-09-23T21:06:59 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-23T21:08:26 < srk> yes :( 2021-09-23T21:10:25 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:5c19:a768:6275:c298] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T21:19:27 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T21:23:46 < kakium69> evenings 2021-09-23T21:23:52 < mawk> to check nb-iot coverage in other countries I ship devices by mail with a sd card logger thing 2021-09-23T21:24:01 < mawk> then someone ships it back and I look at the logs 2021-09-23T21:24:21 < mawk> it's a very efficient process, which is why it's been a year and I've only covered 4 or 5 European countries that way 2021-09-23T21:25:17 < mawk> maybe my boss could authorize a road trip where I go around europe to "test connectivity" 2021-09-23T21:25:24 < mawk> but I don't have a driver's license 2021-09-23T21:28:13 < mawk> the sd card thing I use is called "openlog" 2021-09-23T21:28:20 < mawk> and it's a bit shitty 2021-09-23T21:28:46 < mawk> it logs just a single channel, doesn't support hotplug of the sd 2021-09-23T21:34:46 < specing> mawk: nb-iot? 2021-09-23T21:35:56 < PaulFertser> mawk: I wonder how you discriminate lack of coverage vs. shielding by train cabin or something like that? 2021-09-23T21:37:31 < mawk> yes specing why? 2021-09-23T21:37:46 < mawk> PaulFertser I tell the guy I ship it to to leave out in a nice clear area with view of the sky 2021-09-23T21:37:57 < mawk> but nb-iot is quite penetrating 2021-09-23T21:38:06 < mawk> so it's not that required 2021-09-23T21:38:47 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T21:39:01 < PaulFertser> mawk: ah, you mean you basically probe it only on the final destination, I thought you're tracking it along the way too. 2021-09-23T21:39:06 < PaulFertser> Like shipping it powered. 2021-09-23T21:39:14 < mawk> yes it has to be ship powered 2021-09-23T21:39:20 < catphish> morning 2021-09-23T21:39:29 < mawk> so I get additional info on the way there 2021-09-23T21:39:38 < mawk> which is nice but not stricly required 2021-09-23T21:40:00 < mawk> the devices can't be turned off or on by a layperson, so they're constantly powered 2021-09-23T21:40:16 < mawk> I think the expected lifetime is 5 years with this kind of battery 2021-09-23T21:40:50 < mawk> and probably 10 days with the openlog plugged in, I don't trust them to have made it low power 2021-09-23T21:44:03 < mawk> also there's is coverage everywhere PaulFertser , that's not the question 2021-09-23T21:44:17 < mawk> the question is whether nb-iot is specifically supported, and whether Vodafone have roaming agreements with them 2021-09-23T21:44:33 < mawk> both things that are not publicly available, or if they are the info can't really be trusted 2021-09-23T21:44:59 < mawk> vodafone built in a list of compatible operators in the sim card, but the list is wrong 2021-09-23T21:45:07 < PaulFertser> Weird stuff 2021-09-23T21:45:43 < mawk> they put operators that don't do nb-iot in them; so when we connect to one by accident we have to disable automatic registration and try to connect manually to every single operator in existence we've determined is compatible until we can connect 2021-09-23T21:46:26 < mawk> all of this because vodafone never fixes this builtin list 2021-09-23T21:54:08 < mawk> I made my own precision probe with pogo pins I soldered to a piece of prototype board, then secured with scotch tape on the board 2021-09-23T21:54:12 < mawk> it looks very pro 2021-09-23T21:55:26 < mawk> and hot glue of course 2021-09-23T21:55:27 < mawk> https://i.imgur.com/hLrn0jm.jpg 2021-09-23T21:59:52 < Steffanx> professional 2021-09-23T22:00:52 < PaulFertser> Is that a one-time operation? 2021-09-23T22:01:21 < mawk> not really PaulFertser I have 10 more devices to analyze like that 2021-09-23T22:01:39 < mawk> analyze means tape the probe, wait 1h for logs, then go to the next one 2021-09-23T22:01:41 < PaulFertser> Hm, why do not you solder to testpoints then? 2021-09-23T22:01:47 < mawk> the board is live 2021-09-23T22:01:52 < PaulFertser> d-oh 2021-09-23T22:02:04 < mawk> if I reboot it I lose whatever broken state I want to debug 2021-09-23T22:02:16 < mawk> so yeah I could solder to it but then be very careful to not make it reboot 2021-09-23T22:03:27 < PaulFertser> While waiting for the first logs you can 3d-print some shit to have more reliable rig for the others ;) 2021-09-23T22:05:41 < mawk> what I rather want to do is make a proper thing I can connect reliably 2021-09-23T22:05:46 < mawk> like 3D printed yes 2021-09-23T22:05:52 < mawk> but I know nothing about that 2021-09-23T22:05:58 < Steffanx> what are you waiting for? 2021-09-23T22:05:58 < mawk> so I asked someone else to design it 2021-09-23T22:06:17 < PaulFertser> Hm, so it's a one-wire bi-directional interface? 2021-09-23T22:06:26 < mawk> no it's just uart output 2021-09-23T22:06:31 < mawk> so uni-directional 2021-09-23T22:06:41 < Steffanx> Its not like you're not slacking all day long already, mawk :P 2021-09-23T22:06:49 < PaulFertser> How do you trigger sending the logs then? 2021-09-23T22:07:00 < mawk> I can't slack off anymore Steffanx my boss wants me at the office so he can watch me 2021-09-23T22:07:07 < Steffanx> haha 2021-09-23T22:07:19 < mawk> I don't PaulFertser , I just wait 2021-09-23T22:07:25 < mawk> the device logs stuff to uart every hour 2021-09-23T22:07:36 < PaulFertser> Interesting idea 2021-09-23T22:08:07 < mawk> it would be nice to have a pin to force wakeup yes 2021-09-23T22:08:18 < mawk> that would make me save 30 minutes in average per device 2021-09-23T22:09:53 < mawk> well it's just uart output PaulFertser , it's normal to have that no? 2021-09-23T22:09:54 < PaulFertser> stm32 has one, called "tamper" 2021-09-23T22:10:07 < mawk> ah yes, and that makes a RTC wake event? 2021-09-23T22:10:22 < mawk> it's called like that because it's used to detect opening of the case? 2021-09-23T22:10:23 < PaulFertser> I think it's another event but same effect. 2021-09-23T22:10:24 < mawk> like tampering with device 2021-09-23T22:10:25 < PaulFertser> Yes 2021-09-23T22:10:28 < mawk> ah right 2021-09-23T22:10:39 < mawk> good idea, I could ask my boss to put a testpad for it on the pcb 2021-09-23T22:11:15 < PaulFertser> mawk: UART is normal, but if the device was designed with this hour-long procedure with pogo pins in mind that's just rather odd. If it wasn't, why is it sending anything to uart at all ever? If it is, why is it so ghetto? 2021-09-23T22:11:27 < PaulFertser> s/pins/pin/ 2021-09-23T22:11:30 < mawk> it wasn't designed for that in mind PaulFertser 2021-09-23T22:11:38 < mawk> it wasn't designed at all for logging during normal operation 2021-09-23T22:12:00 < mawk> it wasn't designed to have bugs that require debugging lol 2021-09-23T22:12:10 < mawk> which is why I have to do this ghetto thing 2021-09-23T22:12:29 < mawk> it's sending to uart every hour, even when nothing is connected 2021-09-23T22:12:34 < mawk> which is not ideal for the battery life yeah 2021-09-23T22:14:12 < PaulFertser> So is this sending log once an hour logic was an after-thought added to firmware later? 2021-09-23T22:14:36 < mawk> no, it's been in the firmware since forever 2021-09-23T22:14:47 < mawk> it's not really sending log every hour, it's just doing its regular business of acquiring radar data every hour 2021-09-23T22:14:56 < mawk> and during the acquiring of data it logs stuff to console 2021-09-23T22:15:12 < mawk> we never disabled logging to uart even in the production devices, i don't know why, but today that is helping me 2021-09-23T22:17:03 < PaulFertser> I guess I see now, reading about the log I assumed some historical data, not just current operational info. 2021-09-23T22:20:40 < mawk> to find the right pads I used altium, it's hard to use and eats all my cpu 2021-09-23T22:42:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T22:42:25 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T22:45:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-09-23T22:49:33 < qyx> mawk is in radar business? 2021-09-23T22:52:00 < mawk> yes qyx I am radaring things 2021-09-23T22:52:44 < PaulFertser> So mawk, did you see anything interesting in the logs? 2021-09-23T22:53:08 < PaulFertser> (guess you captured some by now) 2021-09-23T22:53:23 < mawk> it's been 3 days I'm capturing PaulFertser 2021-09-23T22:53:24 < mawk> yeah 2021-09-23T22:53:38 < mawk> interesting I don't know, but I captured stuff yes 2021-09-23T22:53:49 < mawk> the logs say something is wrong with the nb-iot 2021-09-23T22:54:20 < PaulFertser> I wonder how debug from processing current data can help with seeing what wrong happened to firmware (I assume that's only firmware since it works after you reset just the MCU) in the past. 2021-09-23T22:55:13 < mawk> it's assuming the code got stuck at some point in the state machine, and by looking at logs know I can know what happened 2021-09-23T22:55:30 < mawk> it may be that the devices start working again when they're on my desk, then I can't do much 2021-09-23T22:55:44 < mawk> but if they're still broken on my desk then by looking at them I can know what's wrong, hopefully 2021-09-23T23:01:52 < PaulFertser> Do you mean so far the logs you captured are all "normal"? 2021-09-23T23:02:36 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-23T23:02:43 < Steffanx> Don't you have a blinky led to know it still works? And a watchdog running? 2021-09-23T23:02:55 < mawk> no led, yes watchdog 2021-09-23T23:03:09 < mawk> well so far the logs mostly point to a bug in the nb-iot code PaulFertser 2021-09-23T23:04:00 < mawk> the code isn't stuck Steffanx , it's just doing something unexpected 2021-09-23T23:04:53 < catphish> i just learned that in USA it's not recommended to leave eggs out of a regrigerator for more than 2 hours, what the hell is wrong with their eggs? 2021-09-23T23:05:15 < catphish> mine last a month at room temperature 2021-09-23T23:05:22 < mawk> catphish: they clean their eggs 2021-09-23T23:05:30 < mawk> so the protective shell on the egg surface is gone, and bacterias rush in 2021-09-23T23:05:35 < mawk> if they are left off the fridge 2021-09-23T23:05:43 < qyx> wut 2021-09-23T23:05:48 < catphish> i think i've heard of that 2021-09-23T23:06:37 < qyx> do they clean them in H2SO4 or what 2021-09-23T23:06:46 < mawk> yes qyx because americans are puritans in every aspect of their lives, and they clean their food with chemicals 2021-09-23T23:06:57 < mawk> because a chicken egg is gross, it comes right out of the sex hole of the chicken 2021-09-23T23:07:02 < mawk> so it needs extra cleansing 2021-09-23T23:07:17 < catphish> scrubbed with hot water to make them look cleaner i guess 2021-09-23T23:07:30 < mawk> they also cleans their chickens with chlorine 2021-09-23T23:07:38 < mawk> no catphish not just that 2021-09-23T23:07:40 < mawk> soap or something else 2021-09-23T23:07:49 < mawk> that makes the shell porous 2021-09-23T23:08:09 < catphish> i've heard cleaning is bad, never sure whether to wipe poop off them or not 2021-09-23T23:08:40 < catphish> mawk: is there a genuine reason for this? 2021-09-23T23:08:40 < mawk> well you can clean them, just before eating 2021-09-23T23:08:47 < mawk> but not long before 2021-09-23T23:08:56 < mawk> genuine reason for cleaning them? 2021-09-23T23:09:00 < catphish> mawk: yeah 2021-09-23T23:09:10 < catphish> (the american way) (TM) 2021-09-23T23:09:17 < mawk> it's because of how they handle chickens, they have lots of disease or something 2021-09-23T23:09:22 < mawk> so they have to clean everything 2021-09-23T23:09:26 < mawk> I think 2021-09-23T23:09:43 < mawk> like they have super industrial style of raising the chickens, that can barely move and are full of disease 2021-09-23T23:10:07 < catphish> i'm amazed actually that caged chicken eggs in uk are as clean as they are, they must have a way to remove the egg from the nest immediately 2021-09-23T23:12:07 < qyx> in uk they raise their chicken with love 2021-09-23T23:12:33 < catphish> qyx: not all of them :( 2021-09-23T23:13:17 < catphish> qyx: i have chickens, i get them from farms when they're 18 months old, some look okay, but the ones they keep in cages look terrible :( 2021-09-23T23:14:06 < catphish> they look much happier after 3 months in my orchard :) 2021-09-23T23:18:04 < englishman> yes factory egg farms the eggs fall through a grate and are removed immediately 2021-09-23T23:18:47 < englishman> once refrigerated eggs should generally not be removed from the fridge and allowed to warm unless they are used. but this is true of many perishable goods 2021-09-23T23:19:05 < englishman> and factory eggs are refrigerated immediately so they last longer 2021-09-23T23:24:51 < catphish> englishman: not in UK 2021-09-23T23:25:03 < catphish> (they're never refrigerated here) 2021-09-23T23:25:10 < englishman> neato 2021-09-23T23:25:48 < catphish> but makes sense that they'd have a way to remove them from the chicken cage asap so they don't get pooped on 2021-09-23T23:26:40 < englishman> they do stay a bit cleaner but it's just how they are harvested, automatically 2021-09-23T23:28:31 < Steffanx> Your eggs never come with a feather still attached catphish? 2021-09-23T23:29:01 < steve__> eggs of a feather? 2021-09-23T23:30:36 < catphish> Steffanx: well my own eggs often have small amount of poop and feather attached 2021-09-23T23:30:59 < Steffanx> i mean the ones from the supermarket 2021-09-23T23:31:23 < catphish> Steffanx: nope, they're perfectly clean, that's why i was wondering how they're harvested 2021-09-23T23:32:04 < catphish> i understand they're not allowed to be washed, so they must immediately roll away from the birds 2021-09-23T23:32:23 < catphish> (they come out clean, the poop and feathers get attaches later) 2021-09-23T23:33:47 < englishman> they are not allowed to be washed? 2021-09-23T23:37:28 < catphish> nope: "In the UK, Grade A hen eggs may not be washed because the process is thought to aid the transfer of harmful bacteria like salmonella from the outside to the inside of the egg," 2021-09-23T23:38:07 < catphish> (those are the kind of eggs sold to the public, rather than used in factories to make other stuff) 2021-09-23T23:39:56 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-23T23:40:00 < catphish> just looked it up, apparantly it's illegal to sell washed eggs in the uk, and illegal to sell unwashed eggs in USA, weird :) 2021-09-23T23:42:33 < catphish> i also learned that UK is now declared free of salmonella, yay, so we can eat eggs raw, if you're into that kinda thing :| 2021-09-23T23:44:08 < specing> I eat raw eggs in tiramisu 2021-09-23T23:44:12 < specing> it's real good, too 2021-09-23T23:46:07 < catphish> i had Steak tartare last time i went to france, only time in my life i've got food poisoning :( 2021-09-23T23:48:43 < sauce> the best meal i had in france was at an indian restaurant 2021-09-23T23:53:41 < mawk> stop your culinary terrorism sauce 2021-09-23T23:58:22 < mouseghost> and ive eaten at vietnam restaurant in berlin 2021-09-23T23:59:51 < catphish> i rarely leave my home town --- Day changed Fri Sep 24 2021 2021-09-24T00:00:03 < catphish> my wife isn't much into adventure 2021-09-24T00:01:23 < englishman> plenty of restaurants serve carbonara and other dishes with raw egg 2021-09-24T00:01:32 < englishman> i had a tartare last night 2021-09-24T00:01:33 < englishman> delish 2021-09-24T00:02:08 < englishman> sauce: same here except lebanese 2021-09-24T00:05:52 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-24T00:08:50 < mawk> you can get a second wife just for adventures catphish 2021-09-24T00:08:59 < mawk> I did something like that it's great 2021-09-24T00:27:13 < catphish> mawk: not a terrible idea i suppose 2021-09-24T00:27:38 < Steffanx> Or just take your current wife on some adventure 2021-09-24T00:28:01 < Steffanx> Make her into it 😋 2021-09-24T00:29:31 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:59fb:6d2e:e320:e738] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T00:30:03 < catphish> i think she'll get there 2021-09-24T00:30:35 < catphish> but having a second one for adventures while the first one stays home and looks after chickens sounds good too 2021-09-24T00:32:26 -!- c4017 [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:59fb:6d2e:e320:e738] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-24T00:38:31 < Steffanx> And then the 1st because ex and you are even more sad? 2021-09-24T00:39:25 < catphish> well hopefully not 2021-09-24T00:40:44 < Steffanx> Are you still in this living together apart situation with your ex-gf mawk? 2021-09-24T02:16:11 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-24T02:18:05 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-24T02:54:03 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T02:55:07 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T03:00:43 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-24T03:02:46 < emeb> anyone have any experience with STM32G0x1 parts? I've got a brand new G071 Nucleo here and I'm trying to bring up my usual LED blinky + USART test on it and having trouble. 2021-09-24T03:03:47 < emeb> HAL_UART_Init() is failing and the failure mode changes depending on what optimization levels I use. 2021-09-24T03:04:21 < emeb> First time I've ever seen the init routine bomb out. 2021-09-24T03:26:11 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2021-09-24T03:40:46 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:5c19:a768:6275:c298] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-24T04:29:54 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. 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I have a linux program connecting to several ports on a stm32f7 and 2 of the ports keep failling to connect. With wireshark I saw that the board, on these 2 specific ports, is not answering to the SYN (with SYN,ACK) 2021-09-24T12:06:41 < spacebyte> Nonetheless I can connect to those ports with netcat and send data 2021-09-24T12:07:41 < spacebyte> All other tcp ports are working. It seems to have happened when the program was already connected to the ports and someone tried to make another connection 2021-09-24T12:10:12 < karlp> do the "working" ports accept backed up connections? or is that thegeneral problem? 2021-09-24T12:10:48 < spacebyte> what do you mean "backed up"? All other ports accept connections from the program or netcat (not at the same time) 2021-09-24T12:11:16 < karlp> so like, listen(2) has a parameter that is how many connections to allow to be backed up. 2021-09-24T12:11:25 < karlp> does lwip have 0 for that? 2021-09-24T12:11:32 < karlp> or is it configurable? or pooled? 2021-09-24T12:11:46 < spacebyte> hm I have to check that 2021-09-24T12:11:47 < karlp> (I'm not an lwip guy, there are few others here who have used it a lot though if you wait) 2021-09-24T12:12:06 < karlp> what I mean is, is it reallyjust this problem port, or is it generally related to backed up connections? 2021-09-24T12:12:15 < spacebyte> thank you anyway! Let me check lwip's configuration 2021-09-24T12:12:22 < spacebyte> it seems to only be on these 2 ports 2021-09-24T12:12:38 < karlp> right, but are you _really- using the same multi connection behaviour as on other ports? 2021-09-24T12:12:48 < karlp> because it seems _reallllly_ unlikely that it woudl behave differently on just two ports... 2021-09-24T12:13:34 < spacebyte> ah. as far as I know I'm not supposed to accept multi connection on the ports. On linux all connections share the same configuration, but I have to check lwip 2021-09-24T12:14:25 < karlp> it's not a port like dns or something that you're being "clever" with and that lwip is already trying to handle internally or something either right? 2021-09-24T12:14:55 < spacebyte> no just several tcp ports where I can read data from the board 2021-09-24T12:15:52 < spacebyte> I've rebooted the linux cpu but nothing changed. I haven't rebooted the board because I suspect the problem will go away and it might be hard to replicate 2021-09-24T12:16:42 < karlp> mawk is doing mmwave shits? 2021-09-24T12:17:41 < karlp> nice shipping products with TI dev kits bolted in :) 2021-09-24T12:23:25 < karlp> attach debugger. default openocd confings at least won't reset, but will attach as is :) 2021-09-24T12:29:15 < spacebyte> the board is enclosed and hard to acess physically but easy to power-cycle :/ I'm going to try and replicate it on the bench otherwise I won't be able to test any solution decently 2021-09-24T12:52:36 < jpa-> spacebyte: when the connection fails, does that happen right after some other connection attempt? i.e. could it be that the board is busy processing previous packets? 2021-09-24T12:53:29 < jpa-> and with netcat, does the connection actually work? does netcat -v say it gets connected? 2021-09-24T12:54:47 < spacebyte> jpa: we noticed the problem when someone tried to create connections when they existed already. We stopped everything and then could not connect to 2 of the ports. 2021-09-24T12:55:04 < spacebyte> with netcat I can get communication with the ports. ie I can send and receive data 2021-09-24T12:55:45 < spacebyte> I believe it might have something to do with SO_REUSEDADDR and TIME_WAIT, but not sure as it is not enabled on lwip 2021-09-24T12:56:36 < jpa-> to me it sounds more like your code is not calling accept() and then lwip stops responding to new connections until it does 2021-09-24T12:57:57 < spacebyte> but why it works on the other ports? I have 8 tcp ports (all created the same) on this board and only 2 have this behavious 2021-09-24T12:58:09 < spacebyte> would accept() be called after receiving the SYN,ACK? 2021-09-24T12:58:35 < jpa-> are all 8 ports handled on same thread? 2021-09-24T12:58:49 < spacebyte> no, 1 thread per port + lwip thread 2021-09-24T12:59:01 < jpa-> so maybe the threads handling the 2 ports have crashed 2021-09-24T12:59:20 < spacebyte> but I can get a connection with netcat :) and see data coming in 2021-09-24T12:59:40 < spacebyte> I'll have to check netcat's source to see what they are doing when opening tcp sockets 2021-09-24T12:59:59 < jpa-> do you get connection with netcat at the same time when you cannot get connection with some other method? 2021-09-24T13:00:02 < jpa-> or at different time? 2021-09-24T13:01:06 < spacebyte> in sequence, so: I try with netcat, get a connection then after a while I close. Then I try the linux program and get no connection. and repeat 2021-09-24T13:01:32 < jpa-> and the repeat attempt (without reboot of server) with netcat works? 2021-09-24T13:01:46 < spacebyte> when it first happened we were trying for some time with the program, and out of desperation someone suggested netcat and that's why I noticed we could get a netcat connection 2021-09-24T13:01:54 < spacebyte> yes no reboots on the server or client pc 2021-09-24T13:02:09 < jpa-> so compare the packets it sends with wireshark 2021-09-24T13:02:14 < spacebyte> but nonetheless I've reboot the client 2021-09-24T13:02:25 < spacebyte> I did they seem to be all the same (window, mss, etc) 2021-09-24T13:02:29 < spacebyte> but I have to check further 2021-09-24T13:03:16 < spacebyte> the only thing different is that with netcat there's the 3 way packets, and w/ our program there's just a bunch of SYN and retransmissions 2021-09-24T13:03:29 < jpa-> does your program do anything else than try to open connection to the one port? 2021-09-24T13:04:19 < spacebyte> related to tcp connections no. It tries to open several to this board 2021-09-24T13:04:40 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T13:04:45 < spacebyte> you make think I should try multiple netcat connections and replicate the program behaviour :) 2021-09-24T13:05:00 < jpa-> i think you should edit your program to only try the one port first 2021-09-24T13:05:09 < spacebyte> yes that's a good idea 2021-09-24T13:05:25 < jpa-> because it is entirely possible that handling the other connections is somehow blocking the thread that should handle the failing connection 2021-09-24T13:06:49 < spacebyte> that would be a whole mess of trouble for me. But yeah I have several things to test thank you! 2021-09-24T13:07:04 < spacebyte> could it be that having several connections at the same time it messing with the tcp window? 2021-09-24T13:07:12 < jpa-> unlikely 2021-09-24T13:07:20 < jpa-> tcp window does not affect handling SYN packets 2021-09-24T13:07:27 < spacebyte> alright 2021-09-24T13:08:42 < jpa-> also check if you get any error return codes from lwip functions 2021-09-24T13:08:54 < jpa-> for example if you run out of buffer space, the functions will return error 2021-09-24T13:10:46 < spacebyte> I'll have to double check, as I'm checking return errors but might be missing some 2021-09-24T13:11:25 < jpa-> i would specifically check the accept() call, because it is central to the SYN/SYNACK sequence 2021-09-24T13:12:14 < spacebyte> you mean on linux side? 2021-09-24T13:13:30 < jpa-> no, lwip side 2021-09-24T13:13:46 < jpa-> why would you call accept() on linux side? 2021-09-24T13:14:21 < spacebyte> ah yeah, I was not thinking. on the server side 2021-09-24T13:15:10 < karlp> "accept can'-t fail right?!" 2021-09-24T13:15:27 < karlp> C's always so nice and compact until you actualyl check all the errors and return codes you actually need to :) 2021-09-24T13:16:01 < jpa-> and when you think about all C return codes and errors, every other language looks cool until you actually try handling the exceptions reasonably :) 2021-09-24T13:16:33 < karlp> well, some of them do make it a little easier :) 2021-09-24T13:16:42 < jpa-> but rust gets best of both worlds: you can't stop thinking about error returns, but because you just learn to .unwrap() everywhere, you still don't get proper handling 2021-09-24T13:16:52 < karlp> yeah, that bothered me. 2021-09-24T13:17:20 < karlp> I like hte idea of "let it bubble up and catch at the top" but it seemed to be done badly and inconsistently in rust 2021-09-24T13:17:24 < karlp> it felt like java 1. 2021-09-24T13:17:32 < karlp> 5 when people were _jsut_ learning this shit 2021-09-24T13:21:26 < zyp> IMO it's better to just let an exception escalate until it kills your app with a traceback than force you to add some halfassed handling that ends up just silencing it without solving the problem, leading to subtle issues 2021-09-24T13:23:10 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-24T13:26:05 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T13:32:51 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-24T13:38:09 < karlp> yep. 2021-09-24T13:39:14 < karlp> found so many bugs in some old java code when I removed ~all(most) of the lower level catches. lots of them were just straight up swallowing exceptions. 2021-09-24T13:39:49 < karlp> "how is this a null pointer?! this should have been impossible to run?!" "Oh, the earlier code threw an exception, but we just ignored it and pretended it was still valid.... right..." 2021-09-24T13:40:48 < ventyl> code I am dealing with right now is that kind of code 2021-09-24T13:41:14 < ventyl> I haven't dug deep enough to find out juicy catches but there is no glimpse of smart pointers at all 2021-09-24T13:41:38 < ventyl> nor any modern (less than 10 years old) coding style 2021-09-24T13:41:56 < karlp> zyp: you should really hav ea bit of a README in your laks project so people have a little bit of a clue of what it is... 2021-09-24T13:44:16 < zyp> karlp, I even started a documentation effort: https://dump.jvnv.net/laks_doc/ :) 2021-09-24T13:47:35 < karlp> is that from another unpushed branch? ;) 2021-09-24T13:48:01 < zyp> no, it's uncommitted changes to the v2 branch :) 2021-09-24T13:48:15 < karlp> oh, even better :) 2021-09-24T13:48:35 < zyp> just like all the other v2 stuff I pushed last week 2021-09-24T13:49:37 < zyp> I'm bad at following «push early and push often» and tend to wait until things are done 2021-09-24T13:54:31 < ventyl> where does the code live in? 2021-09-24T13:55:24 < zyp> https://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/ 2021-09-24T13:59:53 < jadew> man vs woman MMA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8XEtqNS3XE 2021-09-24T14:08:33 < Steffanx> Boring. Didn't open. 2021-09-24T14:09:01 < jadew> I'm watching it now for the first time 2021-09-24T14:09:27 < jadew> I think the guy is holding off, but he's also pretty bad 2021-09-24T14:11:09 < jadew> the guy won 2021-09-24T14:11:13 < jadew> via submission 2021-09-24T14:13:14 < jadew> the chicks was far superior technically, but the guy was able to just absorb it all and still overpower her 2021-09-24T14:13:17 < jadew> not surprised 2021-09-24T14:31:03 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T14:31:27 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-24T14:52:45 -!- CatCow [~wtf_over@c-73-96-109-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-09-24T14:57:46 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-24T15:06:52 < Steffanx> Still boring. Didn't watch 💩 2021-09-24T15:20:36 < mawk> I did the thing to be printed in resin or whatever PaulFertser 2021-09-24T15:20:58 < PaulFertser> mawk: fancy :) 2021-09-24T15:21:11 < PaulFertser> SLA printers give high precision 2021-09-24T15:21:33 < mawk> yeah it needs quite high precision 2021-09-24T15:21:37 < mawk> the test points are very small 2021-09-24T15:21:49 < mawk> so any deviation from the vertical and the pogo pins won't make contacr 2021-09-24T15:21:51 < mawk> contact 2021-09-24T15:23:29 < PaulFertser> Your rig didn't look very precise and still worked 2021-09-24T15:23:47 < PaulFertser> So I guess one-time hand adjustment can compensate lack of precision. 2021-09-24T15:24:10 < PaulFertser> But of course it's much nicer and reliable whan a proper tool is designed and used. Please do not forget to share the pic when it's ready. 2021-09-24T15:24:23 < mawk> well what I did was painfully adjusted by hands over a minute until I got clear contact 2021-09-24T15:24:30 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-24T15:24:32 < mawk> and the pin point kept slipping 2021-09-24T15:24:45 < mawk> so I had to dent the copper pad first with a punch 2021-09-24T15:24:57 < jpa-> :D 2021-09-24T15:24:57 < mawk> which is not very pro 2021-09-24T15:27:09 < PaulFertser> On a live board! 2021-09-24T15:27:24 < mawk> yes 2021-09-24T15:27:50 < PaulFertser> At this point it seems like soldering to that TP would have been a safer way :) 2021-09-24T15:31:39 < mawk> yes maybe 2021-09-24T15:32:44 < jpa-> using untented vias as testpads works quite well for small sizes, easy to keep alignment 2021-09-24T15:43:03 < zyp> are we doing testjigs? 2021-09-24T15:43:09 < zyp> here's mine: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/imd1f.jpg 2021-09-24T15:46:15 < zyp> mawk, you should probably get a sensepeek kit 2021-09-24T15:46:29 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T15:46:44 < zyp> I've got one of these, they're awesome: https://sensepeek.com/pcbite-kit-with-2x-200mhz-and-4x-sp10-handsfree-probes 2021-09-24T16:37:26 < mawk> nice zyp 2021-09-24T16:37:28 < mawk> so you have this metal thing to push down on the pogo pin? 2021-09-24T16:37:32 < mawk> I planned to use an elastic band but it's not very pro 2021-09-24T16:37:38 < mawk> ah nice this pcbite thing 2021-09-24T16:37:40 < mawk> even though the name means pcdick 2021-09-24T16:37:42 < mawk> in french 2021-09-24T16:39:21 < jpa-> who wouldn't want to dick around their pcb a bit 2021-09-24T16:39:42 < karlp> hrm, I kinda want to make scons -c _not_ remove the static library it builds from cmsis-dsp. 2021-09-24T16:39:49 < karlp> I'm not actually touching it at any point. 2021-09-24T16:39:54 < karlp> problem for another day though. 2021-09-24T16:40:33 < jpa-> if not env.GetOption('clean'): ... whatever needed to build it ... 2021-09-24T16:50:46 < karlp> that works surprisingly well. 2021-09-24T16:50:59 < karlp> you can't explicitly clean it anymore though, but, really, that's probably fine. 2021-09-24T16:51:26 < karlp> though it's scons, I shouldn't ever even bother with clean-build right, just trust that incremental is always correct :) 2021-09-24T16:54:28 < jpa-> https://scons.org/doc/2.0.1/HTML/scons-user/x3129.html hmm, apparently there is an official way also 2021-09-24T16:55:18 < jpa-> ff you have all build files under a build directory, it seems fine not to clean absolutely everything - one can after all do rm -rf build to make sure 2021-09-24T16:56:29 < karlp> that "official" way doens't actualyl do what I want though 2021-09-24T16:56:45 < karlp> it leaves the lib in place, but scons -c; scons happily rebuilds all the .o's int he library 2021-09-24T16:57:05 < karlp> you're way worked nicely :) 2021-09-24T16:57:05 < jpa-> heh :) 2021-09-24T17:01:23 < karlp> now, wwhat happened to my rtos detection in openocd?! 2021-09-24T17:03:13 < jpa-> the friday spirit broke it 2021-09-24T17:05:04 < karlp> fucking tell me about it. 2021-09-24T17:05:10 < karlp> I just wanted to get some fucking dsp filters working 2021-09-24T17:05:16 < karlp> but i'm still getting just 0.0 out of it 2021-09-24T17:05:25 < karlp> want to leave early out to the usmmer house for the weekend 2021-09-24T17:06:05 < jpa-> you have summer houses in iceland too? even though you have no summer? 2021-09-24T17:06:26 < karlp> same summer you have 2021-09-24T17:06:31 < jpa-> :| 2021-09-24T17:10:57 < karlp> rebuild, reflash, detected again :| 2021-09-24T17:11:03 < karlp> fucking flky shit 2021-09-24T17:11:27 < karlp> I'm pretty sure it realllly doesnt like trying to determine OS at connect time, when it's likely to have different code on it. 2021-09-24T17:14:20 < mawk> good idea jpa- 2021-09-24T17:14:22 < mawk> untented via thing 2021-09-24T17:15:23 < jpa-> karlp: is there a particular reason for using autodetection instead of just specifying the type? 2021-09-24T17:15:45 < karlp> doesn't really matter, if you specify FreeRTOS instead of auto it just says "not found" sometimes. 2021-09-24T17:16:12 < jpa-> hmh 2021-09-24T17:16:13 < karlp> there's not any common symbol names I can see that would make it ever fail, at least with the rtos's currently supported 2021-09-24T17:16:32 < jpa-> would be nice if it would retry automatically on reset then 2021-09-24T17:16:35 < jpa-> but apparently no 2021-09-24T17:16:48 < jpa-> i guess one could bind the command to the reset event somehow 2021-09-24T17:17:01 < karlp> yeah, I'm sure things could be done there differently, but I'm not always trying to spend time on openocd guts. 2021-09-24T17:17:20 < karlp> one day, use pyocd, instead, so I might feel happier hacking on it.... 2021-09-24T17:17:26 < karlp> it's all host side anyway.... 2021-09-24T17:17:51 < karlp> (though today, in this particualr case, I am most definitely only using it because it could be cross compiled to this shitty mips board on the other side of the room) 2021-09-24T17:23:21 < karlp> PaulFertser: that's for you too: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/PJbcN.jpg 2021-09-24T17:24:32 < jpa-> looks pro 2021-09-24T17:24:41 < karlp> pro++ 2021-09-24T17:24:51 < karlp> that's the name of the channel right? 2021-09-24T17:25:39 < karlp> the current source ships with windows software for talking to it's "serial port" but it documents ~most of the API at least. 2021-09-24T17:25:50 < karlp> so ser2net lets me run that from my desktop 2021-09-24T17:26:05 < karlp> and openocd lets me stream trace over the network so I don't have to have my laptop over there on the workbench 2021-09-24T17:27:54 < karlp> bleh, now netbeans has decided to forget how to parse my file. 2021-09-24T17:27:57 < karlp> fucking numbunts 2021-09-24T17:28:12 < PaulFertser> karlp: thank you. What's the green board? 2021-09-24T17:30:06 < karlp> at the bottom? just unrelated stuff on the bench... 2021-09-24T17:31:45 < Ecco> Hi there :) 2021-09-24T17:32:26 -!- Alexer [~alexer@alexer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-24T17:34:38 < karlp> bleh, my highpass is still giving me a wave with a dc component. 2021-09-24T17:34:44 < karlp> fuck ing maths, how does this work 2021-09-24T17:35:11 < jpa-> are you using an IIR filter with fixed point math or something? 2021-09-24T17:35:16 < jpa-> if you are, rounding matters 2021-09-24T17:35:56 < karlp> no, I've got an m4f now, using iir with floats. 2021-09-24T17:37:01 < karlp> there's a rounding flag on the cmsis dsp build but it's only description is "enables rounding" 2021-09-24T17:37:26 < jpa-> what are your coefficients? 2021-09-24T17:39:59 < PaulFertser> karlp: I mean what's the board running OpenOCD? 2021-09-24T17:40:41 < PaulFertser> (sorry about the sloppy way to ask that) 2021-09-24T17:40:49 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T17:42:23 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@user/coldkeyboard] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 2021-09-24T17:42:39 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:59fb:6d2e:e320:e738] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-24T17:42:42 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@user/coldkeyboard] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T17:43:23 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:59fb:6d2e:e320:e738] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T17:48:08 < karlp> PaulFertser: some leftover dragino2 ms14's, nothing very interesting, but not big enough to be running a python project for instance :) 2021-09-24T17:48:38 < karlp> jpa-: I've probably got somethign wrong, and i'ðm tyring to take shortcuts for friday afternoon so I'llsit back down with my maths on monday I think :) 2021-09-24T17:48:47 < karlp> done a lot of cleanup today, will just leave it I think 2021-09-24T17:53:14 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T17:54:52 -!- Alexer [~alexer@alexer.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T18:04:00 < mawk> I think I found a silicon bug in the nb-iot module 2021-09-24T18:04:14 < mawk> if you type certain commands too fast the module locks up with an error that's barely documented 2021-09-24T18:04:18 -!- fury [uid193779@id-193779.helmsley.irccloud.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-24T18:04:19 < mawk> and you have to reboot it to make it work again 2021-09-24T18:04:33 -!- Steffanx-_ [sid97872@uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T18:04:58 < mawk> but the module is "NRND" so nobody will fix its firmware 2021-09-24T18:05:32 -!- Steffanx- [sid97872@id-97872.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-24T18:05:32 -!- Steffanx-_ is now known as Steffanx- 2021-09-24T18:05:55 -!- fury [uid193779@id-193779.helmsley.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T18:36:56 -!- c10ud_ [~c10ud@host-213-26-199-10.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-24T18:41:10 < mawk> at least it responds to software reboot, they were smart enough to handle the software reboot command independently of the AT command processing code 2021-09-24T18:47:24 -!- Sadale [~Sadale@user/sadale] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-24T18:47:56 -!- Sadale [~Sadale@user/sadale] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T18:49:55 -!- BrainDamage [~braindama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-151-164.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-24T18:57:42 < bitmask> hey 2021-09-24T18:58:23 < bitmask> what was the innovation that caused incandescent lightbulbs to lower wattage with same output (IE: 60W equivalent that actually runs at <60W) 2021-09-24T19:05:32 < PaulFertser> Halogen probably? 2021-09-24T19:08:26 < bitmask> could be? 2021-09-24T19:10:56 < mawk> a new filament tech? 2021-09-24T19:11:12 < mawk> but halogen is incandescent PaulFertser ? 2021-09-24T19:11:17 < mawk> I thought not 2021-09-24T19:11:56 < mawk> the point of incandescent is to use the right blackbody temperature to emit the right color of light; and when you do that you don't have much latitude in the power you give I think 2021-09-24T19:12:39 < mawk> you have to sustain the temperature, fighting against radiative cooling which should always be the same for a given lightbulb size 2021-09-24T19:12:43 < mawk> but that's just a guess 2021-09-24T19:13:04 < Ecco> I'm reading the refman of an STM32H7. It has an SMPS as well as an LDO. There are several possible power schemes: LDO supply (makes sense), SMPS supply (makes sense), and then SMPS supplies LDO. What's the point? 2021-09-24T19:14:03 < Ecco> There's a 4th option, where the internal SMPS is used to power external components, and then the internal LDO is used to power Vcore. This one makes sense. But why chain the internal SMPS and internal LDO just to power vcore? 2021-09-24T19:19:53 < PaulFertser> mawk: "This s allows the filament to operate at a higher temperature than a standard incandescent lamp of similar power and operating life; this also produces light with higher luminous efficacy and color temperature" 2021-09-24T19:20:45 < bitmask> i dont think halogen is the right answer 2021-09-24T19:20:58 < mawk> weird PaulFertser 2021-09-24T19:21:11 < mawk> I guess it's about emitting more visible light vs useless light maybe 2021-09-24T19:21:26 < mawk> higher temp = shifted more to visible and less to IR 2021-09-24T19:21:45 < mawk> so more light magic fluid per W spent 2021-09-24T19:23:58 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-24T19:26:30 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T19:27:23 < bitmask> ok it is halogen 2021-09-24T19:27:33 < bitmask> i thought halogen always has an inner envelope but it doesnt 2021-09-24T19:32:49 -!- HelloShitty [~psysc0rpi@bl20-171-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T19:40:06 -!- HelloShitty [~psysc0rpi@bl20-171-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2021-09-24T19:40:09 -!- BrainDamage [~braindama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-151-164.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T19:40:35 -!- HelloShitty [~psysc0rpi@bl20-171-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T20:08:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T20:13:53 < spacebyte> jpa-: I haven't checked lwip side but you were right on one thing: it's not netcat that works, but the fact that it's only one connection being made. I've tried my program with just one connection (on the failing port) and it works 2021-09-24T20:16:13 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-24T20:36:59 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [] 2021-09-24T20:39:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T20:43:50 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-24T21:00:17 < emeb> follow up report on the usart issues I was having on a G071 nucleo yesterday. Spent some time playing around and discovered that it was the clocking. I'd used cubemx to generate the clock setup assuming an 8MHz clock input to the HSE from the STLink, however when it tried to switch over to HSE for the PLL source it was failing and falling back to the 16MHz HSI. 2021-09-24T21:00:49 < zyp> and that's just failing silently? 2021-09-24T21:00:57 < zyp> very useful :) 2021-09-24T21:01:02 < emeb> Trouble is that the HAL_RCC_OscConfig() function wasn't returning an error, so everything just marched on... 2021-09-24T21:01:43 < emeb> Then the USART setup failed because the BRG didn't have enough resolution to make 115200 from 16MHz w/ 16x oversampling. 2021-09-24T21:02:07 < zyp> haha 2021-09-24T21:04:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T21:07:22 < emeb> So it seems that this nucleo doesn't have an 8MHz input to the HSE. Don't know if that's a hardware fault or someone forgot to solder one of the links on the board. Gotta get the schematic and look closer. 2021-09-24T21:08:38 < zyp> could be it's disconnected by default 2021-09-24T21:09:16 < emeb> since this is a G part the pinout is completely different from the F parts and the nucleo schematic is revised. Haven't found the UM for this version yet... 2021-09-24T21:12:25 < zyp> which nucleo? 2021-09-24T21:12:42 < emeb> Found it, and yes it defaults to not connecting the clock. 2021-09-24T21:12:53 < zyp> simple explanation then :) 2021-09-24T21:12:53 < emeb> file:///home/ericb/Downloads/um2324-stm32-nucleo64-boards-mb1360-stmicroelectronics.pdf 2021-09-24T21:13:29 < emeb> So nice when they change the defaults. 2021-09-24T21:33:23 < Ecco> https://i.imgur.com/zOnk6je.png 2021-09-24T21:34:03 < Ecco> Does this mean that, when using only the internal SMPS (and not using the internal LDO) then I can use only a 100uF cap on each VCAP pin? 2021-09-24T21:34:34 < Ecco> This would match what the reference manual says "The embedded voltage regulator (LDO) requires external capacitors to be connected to VCAP pins." 2021-09-24T21:34:37 < zyp> 100nF 2021-09-24T21:34:47 < zyp> and yes, that's how I read it 2021-09-24T21:34:49 < Ecco> Yeah, you're right, I'm soryr. Thanks :) 2021-09-24T21:35:36 < zyp> first time I see one that wants the pins connected together 2021-09-24T21:35:42 < zyp> which one is this? 2021-09-24T21:35:46 < Ecco> H725 2021-09-24T21:35:59 < Ecco> But then the datasheet says this: https://i.imgur.com/k0l3dDk.png 2021-09-24T21:36:23 < Ecco> And it got me confused: what is the "voltage regulator" they're talking about? The LDO? The SMPS? 2021-09-24T21:36:37 < Ecco> an explanation could be that they just copy and pasted the datasheet from another part that only had an LDO 2021-09-24T21:36:51 < zyp> could be 2021-09-24T21:37:08 < Ecco> So I looked at the schematics of their disco board 2021-09-24T21:37:10 < zyp> hmm, I misread your question 2021-09-24T21:37:25 < Ecco> oh? 2021-09-24T21:37:57 < zyp> I'm not sure what the requirements are with LDO off and SMPS on 2021-09-24T21:38:25 < Ecco> Well, technically the first image says "LDO enabled and SMPS enabled or disabled" 2021-09-24T21:38:32 < zyp> yes 2021-09-24T21:38:44 < Ecco> from a boolean standpoint, does it mean LDO & (SMPS | !SMPS) 2021-09-24T21:38:51 < Ecco> In other words, just "LDO" :-D 2021-09-24T21:38:54 < zyp> that's how it reads, but I'm not sure it makes sense 2021-09-24T21:39:19 < Ecco> Yeah, it's very not clear 2021-09-24T21:39:28 < Ecco> So I looked at their discovery board schematics 2021-09-24T21:40:02 < Ecco> https://i.imgur.com/IphZTlL.png 2021-09-24T21:40:18 < Ecco> Conveniently, the default configuration is meant for SMPS-only (which is what I want to do as well) 2021-09-24T21:40:58 < Ecco> So, they have solder bridges for two 2.2uF caps, but they don't solder them. Which would match our understanding of the application note I linked earlier. 2021-09-24T21:41:13 < Ecco> But then, what the hell are those two 4.7uF caps? namely, C23 and C54?? 2021-09-24T21:41:14 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T21:41:38 < zyp> let me have a look at how the power stuff fits together 2021-09-24T21:41:50 < Ecco> Awesome, thanks! 2021-09-24T21:42:00 < Ecco> I've been looking at this for a while now, and I just can't get it 2021-09-24T21:46:05 < zyp> https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32h725ag.pdf pages 121-122 2021-09-24T21:48:38 < zyp> so you've presumably got four options; VDD -> SMPS -> LDO -> VCORE, VDD -> LDO -> VCORE, VDD -> SMPS -> VCORE and external reg straight into VCORE 2021-09-24T21:49:32 < Ecco> Yeah 2021-09-24T21:49:45 < Ecco> I want to go for VDD -> SMPS -> VCORE. 2021-09-24T21:49:54 < zyp> VCAP pins are both LDO output and VCORE input, so with the LDO enabled you need a large cap there for LDO stability 2021-09-24T21:50:07 < Ecco> ok, that makes sense 2021-09-24T21:50:56 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-24T21:50:57 < Ecco> Oh, ok, wait. Is that couple of 4.7uF meant to be Cout? 2021-09-24T21:51:08 < Ecco> So Cout is supposed to be 10uF, but they split that in two halves? 2021-09-24T21:51:28 < zyp> when you go SMPS -> VCORE, you hook VFBSMPS to VCAP, and so the output cap for the SMPS is by the VFBSMPS pins 2021-09-24T21:51:54 < Ecco> (side question: what do FB and LX stand for?) 2021-09-24T21:52:06 < Ecco> (in VFBSMPS and VLXSMPS) 2021-09-24T21:52:27 < zyp> feedback and switching node 2021-09-24T21:52:34 < Ecco> oh, ok! 2021-09-24T21:52:38 < Ecco> I understood most of what you said 2021-09-24T21:52:42 < Ecco> except the very last part 2021-09-24T21:52:47 < zyp> actually, Cout1 isn't by VFBSMPS, it's by L 2021-09-24T21:53:04 < Ecco> "output cap for the SMPS is by the VFBSMPS pins" 2021-09-24T21:53:15 < Ecco> what do you mean "by the VFBSMPS pin"? 2021-09-24T21:53:43 < zyp> strike that, it's by the inductor 2021-09-24T21:53:59 < Ecco> Actually, I don't even get why there's a Cout1 and Cout2 2021-09-24T21:54:11 < zyp> the switching loop is internal transistor between GND and VLXSMPS, then L, then COUT1 2021-09-24T21:54:12 < Ecco> And why the table below only mentions just one Cout 2021-09-24T21:54:23 < zyp> because they're all parallel 2021-09-24T21:54:33 < zyp> in the SMPS only case 2021-09-24T21:54:34 < Ecco> They are indeed 2021-09-24T21:54:50 < Ecco> But then why bother with two caps? 2021-09-24T21:54:57 < Ecco> And how am I suppoed to pick (and route) them? 2021-09-24T21:56:08 < zyp> as with any buck regulator, you want to reduce the switching loop 2021-09-24T21:56:44 < zyp> 1x10u or 2x4.7u are equivalent, more or less, they go as close to L as possible 2021-09-24T21:56:58 < zyp> and L go as close to VLX as possible 2021-09-24T21:57:27 < Ecco> Oooh 2021-09-24T21:57:29 < zyp> and the ground return path to VSSSMPS also need to be as short as possible 2021-09-24T21:57:34 < Ecco> ok then the AN makes sense 2021-09-24T21:57:55 < Ecco> because afterwards they say 2021-09-24T21:57:59 < Ecco> https://i.imgur.com/Kj8hX1W.png 2021-09-24T21:58:30 < Ecco> Well, except it doesn't really matches the recommended 10uF all the time 2021-09-24T21:59:01 < Ecco> Actually, it mostly never matches the 10uF of the datasheet 2021-09-24T21:59:11 < Ecco> sometimes it's 20uF, sometimes 15uF, sometimes 10 2021-09-24T21:59:15 < Ecco> That's… confusing 2021-09-24T21:59:22 < zyp> doesn't matter 2021-09-24T21:59:22 < Ecco> Does it just not matter at all? 2021-09-24T21:59:28 < zyp> the important part is having enough 2021-09-24T21:59:33 < Ecco> Ok! 2021-09-24T21:59:38 < zyp> more capacitance = less ripple 2021-09-24T21:59:43 < Ecco> Hmm, ok 2021-09-24T21:59:50 < Ecco> I guess I just don't really understand how an SMPS works 2021-09-24T21:59:57 < Ecco> My understanding is that you charge and discharge a cap 2021-09-24T22:00:05 < Ecco> to make it "wobble" around a desired voltage 2021-09-24T22:01:16 < Ecco> (the charge/discharge duty cycle being controlled by a feedback loop) 2021-09-24T22:02:29 < zyp> no, you charge and discharge the inductor, the cap is «just» for stability :) 2021-09-24T22:02:43 < Ecco> Ooh 2021-09-24T22:02:52 < Ecco> (emergency, I'll be right back) 2021-09-24T22:03:39 < zyp> inductors store current in a similar way to how capacitors store voltage 2021-09-24T22:08:43 < zyp> when the load is trying to draw more current than you've got stored in the inductor, it starts drawing from the capacitor as well, dropping the voltage until the regulator switches on 2021-09-24T22:11:10 < zyp> then the inductor gets charged until it's passing more current than the load is drawing, and the surplus will charge the capacitor back up until the regulator switches off again 2021-09-24T22:11:45 < PaulFertser> You know what's strange? The british call Coccinellidae "ladybird" even though it's not a bird and not really related to ladies. You know what's more strange? The russians call it "God's cow". 2021-09-24T22:13:17 < zyp> the more capacitance you have, the less the voltage will vary between each time the regulator switches 2021-09-24T22:13:45 < PaulFertser> That said, learning Coccinelle to do some semantic C code transformations seem to be worth it when you need to refactor something in a big enough codebase. 2021-09-24T22:31:23 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T22:35:57 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T23:01:54 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-24T23:02:07 < kakium69> hello69 2021-09-24T23:02:26 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-24T23:03:35 < Steffanx> Yo mr kakium69. Tell us all about your wonderful day. 2021-09-24T23:04:41 < kakium69> I drove a tractor whole day with a tank trailer containing cow poops 2021-09-24T23:06:23 < kakium69> It's rather warm night +5c so then I did 130-140km moped ride 2021-09-24T23:08:11 < PaulFertser> Are you a farmer? 2021-09-24T23:09:00 < kakium69> nah 2021-09-24T23:11:16 < Ecco> zyp: thank you so much for your explanations! 2021-09-24T23:11:23 < kakium69> it's like family thing 2021-09-24T23:11:40 < kakium69> I hang around and do works 2021-09-24T23:11:57 < kakium69> I'm not the farmer 2021-09-24T23:17:11 < PaulFertser> kakium69: that's cool. I once drove a Belarus tractor. It was funny to be lifted up the seat when depressing the clutch as it was quite stiff for my humble weight. 2021-09-24T23:18:55 < mawk> PaulFertser: cock see kneel 2021-09-24T23:20:14 < kakium69> we had tractor with real clutch last time hmm in 2007 2021-09-24T23:21:12 < zyp> kakium69 sounds like the protagonist of my summer car 2021-09-24T23:21:46 < kakium69> all tractors have clutch pedal but it's just software clutch 2021-09-24T23:21:53 < kakium69> never used 2021-09-24T23:23:34 < englishman> when is the first frost kaks? 2021-09-24T23:23:43 < englishman> it has not arrived here yet, very unusual 2021-09-24T23:23:48 < Steffanx> We already had first frost 2021-09-24T23:23:51 < kakium69> like 2 weeks ago 2021-09-24T23:23:56 < englishman> soy won't be harvested for another 1-2 weeks 2021-09-24T23:23:58 < PaulFertser> mawk: I think you will like it if you ever have to refactor C code 2021-09-24T23:24:01 < Steffanx> like -0.1 C 2021-09-24T23:24:51 < Steffanx> did you get your ice kite out already kakium69? 2021-09-24T23:25:02 < kakium69> na 2021-09-24T23:25:58 < Steffanx> isnt a finnisher ready 24/7 for snow and ice? 2021-09-24T23:26:07 < Steffanx> prepared. 2021-09-24T23:27:00 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-24T23:28:16 < mawk> sounds nice PaulFertser --- Day changed Sat Sep 25 2021 2021-09-25T00:04:51 < qyx> PaulFertser: haha panbozkova kravicka here too 2021-09-25T00:09:31 < PaulFertser> qyx: bogia korovka 2021-09-25T00:10:55 < qyx> I would probably understand that too 2021-09-25T00:11:42 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T00:32:04 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:a4d9:8c32:5a9d:aa1a] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T00:35:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-25T00:42:18 < catphish> dumb layout question, i have a usb socket, and a USB device chip, the data pins don't line up, is there an obvious way to resolve this? https://i.imgur.com/vPgAluF.png 2021-09-25T00:43:12 < MrBIOS_> vias 2021-09-25T00:43:37 < MrBIOS_> or zero ohm SMT parts, to bridge the gap 2021-09-25T00:43:48 < MrBIOS_> but that's probably not a great practice 2021-09-25T00:44:01 < catphish> i can rotate the IC 180 degrees and take the lines underneath with 4 vias, or just cross them with 2 vias, but i'm trying to keep them as an equal pair 2021-09-25T00:44:47 < catphish> so i guess the former option is the nicer one 2021-09-25T00:45:37 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T00:54:58 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-25T00:55:25 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T01:08:13 -!- freeworld [~vit@chello085216193138.chello.sk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2021-09-25T01:36:51 < catphish> this is a cool trick https://i.stack.imgur.com/jTBYC.png 2021-09-25T02:00:10 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-25T02:49:05 < zyp> catphish, first of all, switch to a better usb socket 2021-09-25T02:50:22 < zyp> catphish, is that a HS PHY? 2021-09-25T03:01:37 < zyp> the usb2 usb-c sockets have four pads going PNPN, and it's using either the outer two or the inner two depending on plug orientation, so I like doing something like this: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/5VCDW.png 2021-09-25T03:02:09 < zyp> and then you can connect to the outer if your signal comes as PN or the inner if your signal comes as NP, and the length will be equal in either case 2021-09-25T03:04:55 < zyp> top side: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/LMbbo.png 2021-09-25T03:05:36 < zyp> if it's not HS, I wouldn't worry too much about length matching 2021-09-25T03:18:28 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-25T03:25:58 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:a4d9:8c32:5a9d:aa1a] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-25T03:38:08 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T04:27:34 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@216.116.10.5] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T06:32:18 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-25T09:25:29 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-25T09:37:01 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T09:42:23 -!- dobson [~dobson@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-25T09:46:54 -!- dobson [~dobson@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T10:04:07 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T10:48:20 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I'm using OpenOCD with GDB, I'm not using a watchdog and nor an RTOS. How would you address a problem like this? 2021-09-25T17:48:42 < dodo__> I'm using stm32duino. Can I, somehow, put a breakpoint at the begging of the reset code, to see what was in the registers, to see what was the problem? 2021-09-25T17:51:29 -!- rgr_DUP [~user@p200300e417134f10431c101670f8cfe4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 28.0.50)] 2021-09-25T17:59:44 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-25T18:01:45 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@cpc92794-cmbg19-2-0-cust589.5-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T18:07:08 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T18:12:18 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T18:12:35 < bitmask> sleeping on new pillows is amazing 2021-09-25T18:33:43 < jpa-> dodo__: do you have a hardfault handler function? 2021-09-25T18:37:21 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-25T18:44:59 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-25T18:47:18 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T18:51:08 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T19:21:57 < dodo__> jpa-: no, I didn't have one. I don't know if stm32duino had a default one, but I have inserted a custom hardfault_handler() now. I did a test with a buggy code and the execution went to the handler. Now I'm waiting that the random error in my real code arise. 2021-09-25T19:23:31 < dodo__> I'm also looking in the datasheet for a reset register, to know if the reset was triggered by brown out, software reset, debugger, watchdog... 2021-09-25T19:24:15 < dodo__> But I can't find the right document. I'm using a STM32L152. Its datasheet doesn't seems to show the registers 2021-09-25T19:27:12 < Flecks> why do you think it got reset dodo__? 2021-09-25T19:31:41 < dodo__> Flecks: My code is printing debug messages over serial like fw version, modem initialization, lcd initialization... I see those messages a lot of times a day 2021-09-25T19:32:41 < dodo__> it could also be a current peak due to the modem. 2021-09-25T19:35:28 < Flecks> ohh I see 2021-09-25T19:46:11 < Flecks> what modem do you use dodo__? 2021-09-25T19:46:39 < dodo__> Its a Quectel UG95 2021-09-25T19:47:17 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-25T19:51:28 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T19:56:19 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@216.116.10.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-25T20:29:43 < jpa-> dodo__: registers are in reference manual 2021-09-25T20:32:16 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T20:41:20 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T20:43:15 < kakium69> hello cool69 2021-09-25T20:44:47 < kakium69> could you backlog for me "iron ore" 2021-09-25T20:44:48 < kakium69> ? 2021-09-25T20:50:23 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZChSbpBbrt4 flapping pcb guy is innovatin 2021-09-25T20:50:40 < kakium69> non-flappin pcb 2021-09-25T21:03:02 < kakium69> who killed chats? 2021-09-25T21:07:03 < kakium69> import laurenceb 2021-09-25T21:08:16 < PaulFertser> That guy surely has money to burn 2021-09-25T21:08:50 < kakium69> yees 2021-09-25T21:08:52 < kakium69> but no 2021-09-25T21:08:59 < kakium69> he is working with pcbway 2021-09-25T21:09:04 < kakium69> in this case 2021-09-25T21:09:09 < PaulFertser> kakium69: iron ore not found in the logs 2021-09-25T21:09:36 < kakium69> "iron" last 2 months nick kakium69 2021-09-25T21:10:39 < kakium69> I was pondering of changes in iron ore price but not in other metals 2021-09-25T21:12:38 < PaulFertser> 01:08 < kakium69> oh wow gold doubled from 2018 to 2020 2021-09-25T21:12:44 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-25T21:13:07 -!- t4nk_freenode [~Go@user/t4nk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-25T21:13:25 < PaulFertser> kakium69: https://termbin.com/512j 2021-09-25T21:14:06 < kakium69> thanks 2021-09-25T21:15:55 -!- t4nk_freenode [~Go@user/t4nk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T21:15:55 < kakium69> only 2 weeks ago 2021-09-25T21:19:48 < kakium69> well now we know what happend to iron ore price 2021-09-25T21:23:09 < PaulFertser> So what happened? 2021-09-25T21:27:21 < kakium69> chinese real estate is coughin 2021-09-25T21:45:41 < kakium69> UK is funny 2021-09-25T21:47:12 < kakium69> shortage on everything because foreign lorry drivers left 2021-09-25T21:53:02 < PaulFertser> kakium69: got a proof link for the latest statement? 2021-09-25T21:53:25 < kakium69> no 2021-09-25T21:53:37 < kakium69> only shortage of petrol 2021-09-25T21:54:46 < kakium69> news articles imply that there have been all sorts of shortages 2021-09-25T22:05:16 < kakium69> https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/25/panic-buying-rather-than-shortages-causing-queues-at-uk-petrol-stations-aa-head-says 2021-09-25T22:05:41 < kakium69> or maybe just same thing than with toilet paper 2021-09-25T22:37:11 < Steffanx> Better start hoarding petrol kakium69 2021-09-25T22:37:30 < Steffanx> The craziness might spread to finland 2021-09-25T22:42:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@216.116.10.5] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-25T22:53:26 < karlp> PaulFertser: ladybirds are called "maria beetles" in icelandic. 2021-09-25T22:53:50 < PaulFertser> karlp: interesting, and saner. 2021-09-25T22:54:50 < mawk> we call them coccinelles 2021-09-25T22:54:54 < mawk> but PaulFertser already knows 2021-09-25T22:55:00 < karlp> englishman: first snow on the mountain on the bay was thursday. 2021-09-25T22:56:53 < karlp> catphisf's usb socket looks gross 2021-09-25T22:58:44 < karlp> they're also called lady beetles and lady bugs in australian at least. 2021-09-25T23:00:03 < zyp> we call them «maria chickens» 2021-09-25T23:00:17 < zyp> or I guess «maria hens» are more precise 2021-09-25T23:00:38 < mawk> that makes no sense zyp 2021-09-25T23:00:44 < PaulFertser> So much wierdness with those bugs 2021-09-25T23:00:45 < mawk> they are not chickens 2021-09-25T23:01:26 < mawk> shield bugs (the ones that stink when you crush them) we call them thumbtacks 2021-09-25T23:01:28 < mawk> punaises 2021-09-25T23:01:35 < mawk> because of how annoying it is when you crush it probably 2021-09-25T23:01:54 < zyp> according to norwegian wikipedia, they're also called «maria-fly-fly», but I haven't heard anybody say that 2021-09-25T23:02:10 < karlp> well, TIL that the maria is for mary, "our lady" so it's the same as in english 2021-09-25T23:02:28 < karlp> marjaflugflug?! 2021-09-25T23:02:46 < englishman> really enjoying these etymology chats 2021-09-25T23:03:20 < zyp> no, like I wrote it, the verb fly is spelled the same in norwegian as in english 2021-09-25T23:03:41 < zyp> marjaflugflug sounds like a swedish equivalent 2021-09-25T23:03:45 < mawk> maria vlieg vlieg 2021-09-25T23:04:01 < karlp> "I'm not possessed! I was just speaking danish!" 2021-09-25T23:15:42 < karlp> you used to be able to buy live ladybirds cheaply online, but they seem to be kinda pricey and harder to find now. 2021-09-25T23:16:22 < kakium69> leppäkerttu 2021-09-25T23:16:33 < mawk> what for kakium69 2021-09-25T23:16:34 < mawk> karlp: * 2021-09-25T23:16:58 < kakium69> ladybirds eat mites and shit 2021-09-25T23:17:04 < karlp> why would you buy them? poest control 2021-09-25T23:17:11 < karlp> they'll eat aphids and a few other pests 2021-09-25T23:17:28 < mawk> ah 2021-09-25T23:17:48 < kakium69> it's a predator 2021-09-25T23:19:34 < mawk> I don't like when they fly 2021-09-25T23:19:38 < mawk> they are very ugly with their wings out 2021-09-25T23:20:31 < karlp> as in, they look as clumsy and weird as all shelled beetles like that? 2021-09-25T23:21:46 < mawk> I mean like the shell is opening like the side doors of a fancy sports car, and the wings come out 2021-09-25T23:21:50 < mawk> it looks weird 2021-09-25T23:22:02 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-25T23:22:54 < mawk> https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/ladybug-wings-open-600w-77310646.jpg 2021-09-25T23:23:11 < kakium69> very nice 2021-09-25T23:29:49 < Steffanx> now the dutchlander name 2021-09-25T23:30:06 < Steffanx> @ mawk 2021-09-25T23:30:43 < mawk> probably something horrible Steffanx 2021-09-25T23:31:00 < Steffanx> lieveheersbeestje 2021-09-25T23:31:07 < Steffanx> sweet lord bug or something 2021-09-25T23:31:10 < mawk> lieveheer beestje 2021-09-25T23:31:16 < mawk> google says lieveheer is daem 2021-09-25T23:31:17 < mawk> dame 2021-09-25T23:31:24 < mawk> so like ladybug 2021-09-25T23:34:40 < kakium69> leppäkerttu - alder gertie 2021-09-25T23:36:55 < kakium69> Kerttu was the first christian woman name in finland 2021-09-25T23:37:08 < kakium69> around 1200 2021-09-25T23:37:57 < kakium69> from german name Gertrud 2021-09-25T23:49:52 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sun Sep 26 2021 2021-09-26T00:06:49 < mawk> alder = elder kakium69 ? 2021-09-26T00:07:03 < kakium69> alder 2021-09-26T00:07:06 < kakium69> the tree 2021-09-26T00:07:40 < mawk> ah 2021-09-26T00:07:46 < mawk> aulne 2021-09-26T00:09:35 < Steffanx> unlikely its "dame" mawk. since "heer" is like "lord". 2021-09-26T00:09:59 < mawk> that's what google translate says Steffanx 2021-09-26T00:10:05 < Steffanx> Yes, thats true 2021-09-26T00:10:06 < mawk> and it makes sense since it's exactly "lady" in english 2021-09-26T00:10:12 < mawk> so I trust things that make sense 2021-09-26T00:10:38 < mawk> aaah 2021-09-26T00:10:43 < mawk> no I know 2021-09-26T00:10:44 < mawk> you're right 2021-09-26T00:10:46 < Steffanx> wikipedia says its male. like bête à bon Dieu 2021-09-26T00:10:49 < mawk> it's "our lord" 2021-09-26T00:10:49 < mawk> yes 2021-09-26T00:10:52 < mawk> from the french bête à bon dieu 2021-09-26T00:10:57 < mawk> "little beast from our lord" 2021-09-26T00:11:12 < mawk> lieveheerbeestje 2021-09-26T00:11:14 < mawk> it's the literal translatiob 2021-09-26T00:11:15 < mawk> n 2021-09-26T00:11:39 < mawk> google translate got confused by ladybird, and inferred that lieveheer = lady 2021-09-26T00:11:44 < mawk> I wonder how their algorithm works 2021-09-26T00:11:44 < Steffanx> except that "lieve" doesnt mean "little" 2021-09-26T00:11:55 < mawk> the tje means that Steffanx I mean 2021-09-26T00:12:07 < mawk> -tje = little 2021-09-26T00:12:08 < mawk> right? 2021-09-26T00:12:10 < Steffanx> yeah 2021-09-26T00:12:14 < Steffanx> that part is right. 2021-09-26T00:12:31 < Steffanx> but its "sweet lord" 2021-09-26T00:12:42 < mawk> yeah 2021-09-26T00:12:48 < mawk> sweet lord, our lord, same thing 2021-09-26T00:12:59 < mawk> "bon dieu" is not so translatable 2021-09-26T00:13:06 < mawk> it means "our lord" but in a colloquial way 2021-09-26T00:13:21 < mawk> maybe like sweet lord, but "bon dieu" is a bit like making fun of god 2021-09-26T00:13:26 < mawk> frenchies didn't fear roasting in hell 2021-09-26T00:13:59 < mawk> "good lord" literally 2021-09-26T00:14:52 < Steffanx> The bastard that brought us the religion in the first place? 2021-09-26T00:14:55 < Steffanx> *bastads 2021-09-26T00:14:56 < mawk> lol 2021-09-26T00:14:57 < Steffanx> bastards. damnit 2021-09-26T00:15:39 < Steffanx> At least the Frankish Empire had a part in it 2021-09-26T00:16:08 < mawk> the frankish empire died the baptism of Clovis in the year 500 2021-09-26T00:16:12 < mawk> after that it's the french empire 2021-09-26T00:16:31 < mawk> it's our first christian emporor 2021-09-26T00:16:38 < mawk> or king or whatever 2021-09-26T00:17:44 < Steffanx> i dont know Clovis, but ido remember the Charlemagne stories 2021-09-26T00:18:56 < mawk> yeah clovis is like the greatfather or something 2021-09-26T00:19:01 < mawk> I forgot all that 2021-09-26T00:19:20 < mawk> carlus magnus 2021-09-26T00:19:27 < mawk> then at some points all kings started being called louis 2021-09-26T00:19:41 < mawk> we still have their descendants alive in france today, the Count of Paris is Louis 20 or something 2021-09-26T00:19:58 < mawk> but he's fighting for the throne of france with another guy that pretends to be the descendant of the kings 2021-09-26T00:20:00 < Steffanx> And then we got this guy that "invented" last names 2021-09-26T00:20:04 < mawk> but that second guy doesn't even speak french 2021-09-26T00:20:34 < mawk> well our king doesn't have a last-name right? it's just king wilhelm-something 2021-09-26T00:20:53 < Steffanx> he does 2021-09-26T00:21:12 < Steffanx> or maybe not :P 2021-09-26T00:21:34 < mawk> or maybe "king wilhelm-something of netherlands" 2021-09-26T00:23:06 < Steffanx> apparently its van Amsberg van Oranje-Nassau 2021-09-26T00:23:17 < mawk> ah yeah I knew about the orange-nassau part 2021-09-26T00:23:22 < mawk> orange is from the city of Orange in france 2021-09-26T00:23:29 < mawk> but dumb dutch people think it refers to the color or something 2021-09-26T00:23:34 < mawk> hence the national color being orange 2021-09-26T00:24:10 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-26T00:24:27 < Steffanx> its a nice national colour 2021-09-26T00:24:46 < mawk> it comes from the occitan dialect which means "high" or "elevated", and not from the color 2021-09-26T00:24:48 < mawk> yeah 2021-09-26T00:25:05 < mawk> also quite ironic for netherlands where the highest mountain is like 20m 2021-09-26T00:26:29 < Steffanx> 322.4 meters above NAP 2021-09-26T00:27:02 < mawk> what's nap 2021-09-26T00:27:26 < Steffanx> dutchlands 0 point 2021-09-26T00:28:08 < mawk> o 2021-09-26T00:30:09 < Steffanx> oui 2021-09-26T00:30:37 < mawk> oh oui oh oui oh oui oui oui 2021-09-26T00:30:49 < mawk> mon ami néerlandais 2021-09-26T00:31:10 < mawk> sujet de sa majesté guillaume-alexandre de amsberg d'orange 2021-09-26T00:31:19 < mawk> -nassau 2021-09-26T00:32:36 < mouseghost> frogeater 2021-09-26T00:32:56 < mawk> :( 2021-09-26T00:33:16 < mawk> vous n'étiez pas au courant de ma francité mouseghost ? 2021-09-26T00:33:27 < mawk> vivez-vous dans une grotte ? 2021-09-26T00:33:50 < oz4ga> grottoghost :P 2021-09-26T00:34:10 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T00:34:30 < kakium69> did you get petrol catphish? 2021-09-26T00:34:36 < mawk> who says petrol 2021-09-26T00:34:40 < Steffanx> he's still in line 2021-09-26T00:34:40 < mawk> you say gasoline 2021-09-26T00:34:43 < kakium69> brits 2021-09-26T00:34:51 < kakium69> I talk his language 2021-09-26T00:35:34 < catphish> kakium69: i don't need petrol, apparently unlike 99% of brits, i haven't felt the need to buy some anyway 2021-09-26T00:35:58 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T00:36:27 < Steffanx> dont you want to hoard just for the fun? 2021-09-26T00:36:33 < Steffanx> mabye Mangy_Dog? 2021-09-26T00:36:35 < catphish> in a few days when i do need some, hopefully the petrol stations will be well stocked and devoid of idiots :) 2021-09-26T00:36:42 < mouseghost> mawk, i think i was aware of your frenchens 2021-09-26T00:36:54 < catphish> i did joke to my wife this evening that we should pick up some toilet paper too 2021-09-26T00:37:04 < Steffanx> Yeah, hes toooo french mouseghost 2021-09-26T00:37:25 < mouseghost> catphish, whats happening in britain? 2021-09-26T00:37:26 < mawk> :( 2021-09-26T00:37:29 < mawk> I'm only half french 2021-09-26T00:37:30 < Steffanx> He lives in the netherlands.. but rotated the dutch flag 90 degrees 2021-09-26T00:37:33 < mawk> lol 2021-09-26T00:37:34 < mouseghost> and, you have a wife? woa 2021-09-26T00:37:47 < mawk> me? 2021-09-26T00:37:50 < mawk> no 2021-09-26T00:37:53 < mouseghost> catphish, 2021-09-26T00:37:55 < mawk> why would I ever want that 2021-09-26T00:37:56 < mawk> tah 2021-09-26T00:38:01 < mawk> ah* 2021-09-26T00:38:02 < Steffanx> i dont think mawk would ever marry 2021-09-26T00:38:06 < Steffanx> lol 2021-09-26T00:38:09 < Steffanx> slow typer 2021-09-26T00:38:15 < Mangy_Dog> you want to hoard me? :o 2021-09-26T00:38:21 < mouseghost> ah, i thought mawk was more of a, shots for the same-team type of guy 2021-09-26T00:38:23 < Steffanx> no, petrol, Mangy_Dog 2021-09-26T00:38:26 < catphish> mouseghost: basically nothing, there was news of HGV driver shortages causing potential fuel shortages, so everyone went out to buy fuel, now fuel stations have no fuel 2021-09-26T00:38:34 < mawk> yes Mangy_Dog I want to hoard you 2021-09-26T00:38:35 < mouseghost> Mangy_Dog, whats up with those lewd thoughts? 2021-09-26T00:38:39 < Mangy_Dog> yeah im a little worried about petrol 2021-09-26T00:38:41 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-26T00:38:54 < mawk> you want to come to our orgy mouseghost ? 2021-09-26T00:38:57 < Mangy_Dog> i have a 500 mile round trip next friday coming back following monday 2021-09-26T00:39:02 < mawk> ah no you're underage nevermind 2021-09-26T00:39:03 < catphish> i'm building an electric car soon, i'll be fine :) 2021-09-26T00:39:12 < Mangy_Dog> and im a little worried there wont be any petrol stations stocked :; 2021-09-26T00:39:14 < Mangy_Dog> :/ 2021-09-26T00:40:03 < mouseghost> mawk, sorry, i dont really like orgies 2021-09-26T00:40:06 < catphish> my petrol station in town got restocked this evening ans re-opened as i was driving past it, i still didn't feel compelled to refill my car 2021-09-26T00:40:09 < Mangy_Dog> all thanks to our elustrious god king leader boris 2021-09-26T00:40:12 < mouseghost> i was already at such setting and it wasnt nice 2021-09-26T00:40:53 < catphish> get electric vehicles, then you only need to worry about blackouts :) 2021-09-26T00:40:57 < mouseghost> perhaps due to the fact that one guy was kind of crazy childish acting and was a feet fetishist, but.. still the point stands... 2021-09-26T00:41:01 < Steffanx> You guys wanted this brexit, Mangy_Dog 2021-09-26T00:41:08 < Mangy_Dog> i didnt want brexit at all 2021-09-26T00:41:13 < kakium69> you have grown out of such silliness mouseghost 2021-09-26T00:41:14 < Mangy_Dog> im pro european 2021-09-26T00:41:22 < catphish> i most definitely didn't want brexit 2021-09-26T00:41:27 < catphish> i'm european 2021-09-26T00:41:30 < Mangy_Dog> ^^ 2021-09-26T00:41:37 < Steffanx> but you forgot to vote? 2021-09-26T00:41:39 < mouseghost> kakium69, which one? 2021-09-26T00:41:41 < Mangy_Dog> no i voted 2021-09-26T00:41:47 < kakium69> mouseghost: orgies 2021-09-26T00:41:48 < Mangy_Dog> remain 2021-09-26T00:41:57 < mouseghost> ah 2021-09-26T00:41:59 < catphish> i voted too, but idiot old people outovted me 2021-09-26T00:42:07 < Mangy_Dog> but what do you know... the racist nationalist cunts won 2021-09-26T00:42:34 < catphish> unfortunately nationalism is easier to sell than real economics 2021-09-26T00:42:45 < Mangy_Dog> indeed 2021-09-26T00:42:48 < Mangy_Dog> worked for hitlet 2021-09-26T00:42:50 < Steffanx> Didnt only like 40% of you guys vote? 2021-09-26T00:42:51 < Mangy_Dog> hitler 2021-09-26T00:42:53 < Mangy_Dog> THERE I SAID IT 2021-09-26T00:42:54 < Steffanx> or evne less? 2021-09-26T00:42:58 < Mangy_Dog> yeah 2021-09-26T00:43:01 < mawk> but you're 15 mouseghost what were you doing there 2021-09-26T00:43:04 < Mangy_Dog> was a really stupid lobsided vote 2021-09-26T00:43:06 < kakium69> democrazy in any western country effectivelly means that boomers decide 2021-09-26T00:43:10 < mouseghost> mawk, hey im almost 18 2021-09-26T00:43:23 < catphish> i thought turnout was pretty high, in the brexit referendum, but still not high enough 2021-09-26T00:43:36 < Mangy_Dog> na 2021-09-26T00:43:41 < Mangy_Dog> turnout was high for the leavers 2021-09-26T00:43:46 < Mangy_Dog> not so high for the remainers 2021-09-26T00:43:48 < catphish> weird 2021-09-26T00:43:58 < Mangy_Dog> most remainers thought... it wont happen 2021-09-26T00:44:00 < Mangy_Dog> so didnt bother 2021-09-26T00:44:05 < catphish> i think a lot of remainers were complacent 2021-09-26T00:44:09 < Mangy_Dog> typical UK voting apahty 2021-09-26T00:44:11 < Mangy_Dog> apathy 2021-09-26T00:44:13 < Steffanx> telegram links because relevant: https://t.me/stm32pro/54224 & https://t.me/stm32pro/54222 2021-09-26T00:44:13 < mouseghost> makes me think that all those voting things are faked 2021-09-26T00:44:15 < catphish> because it was assumed leave would never win 2021-09-26T00:44:20 < Mangy_Dog> catphish indeed 2021-09-26T00:44:24 < mouseghost> here its also a situation where nobody votes for them, yet they win.. 2021-09-26T00:45:00 < Mangy_Dog> im in all honesty really scared where this country is going 2021-09-26T00:45:04 < catphish> i'm just glad our new single party system is at least somewhat centrist 2021-09-26T00:45:20 < Mangy_Dog> esp as we in effect dont have a oposision party 2021-09-26T00:45:26 < Mangy_Dog> oposition 2021-09-26T00:45:28 < Mangy_Dog> gah 2021-09-26T00:46:04 < catphish> uk is now a single party system, there's more interest in conservative leadership contest than general election 2021-09-26T00:46:16 < Steffanx> Your parlement is a joke anyway. All those boomers in a too small room 2021-09-26T00:46:31 < catphish> which sucks colossal balls, but at least they're at least somewhat sane 2021-09-26T00:46:31 < Steffanx> parliament 2021-09-26T00:46:49 < mouseghost> single party system?? 2021-09-26T00:46:58 < Steffanx> Worked for hitler, right? 2021-09-26T00:47:42 < catphish> mouseghost: a single party system is when one political party consistently wins the general vote, and politics becomes about the policies and leadership of that party 2021-09-26T00:47:54 < mouseghost> zahh 2021-09-26T00:47:55 < catphish> mouseghost: like CCP in china 2021-09-26T00:48:19 < mouseghost> isnt ccp the company from eve online 2021-09-26T00:48:48 < catphish> this is hyperbole to some extent, uk conservative party has less than 50% of vote, but no other party has a chance of beating them 2021-09-26T00:48:58 < catphish> mouseghost: yes, i think so 2021-09-26T00:49:17 < Mangy_Dog> the trouble is labour has a tory for its leader 2021-09-26T00:49:57 < mawk> why are you politicing Mangy_Dog 2021-09-26T00:50:00 < catphish> there are various problems, including idealists like me who vote for the green party and essentially waste their vote in a FPTP system 2021-09-26T00:50:01 < mawk> ircers do not do politics 2021-09-26T00:50:14 < mawk> except me and cracki and laurenceb, everyone hates talking about it 2021-09-26T00:50:20 < Mangy_Dog> because i live in a utterly recessive country 2021-09-26T00:50:59 < catphish> on the plus side, the UK conservative party is saner than either choice in the USA ;) 2021-09-26T00:51:12 < Mangy_Dog> honestly 2021-09-26T00:51:13 < Mangy_Dog> right now 2021-09-26T00:51:17 < Mangy_Dog> im not so sure 2021-09-26T00:51:18 < zyp> I'm rather happy with the outcome of the recent norwegian election 2021-09-26T00:51:24 < Mangy_Dog> i mean sure even us democrats arent the best 2021-09-26T00:51:27 < Mangy_Dog> but 2021-09-26T00:51:29 < Mangy_Dog> shit 2021-09-26T00:51:38 < catphish> zyp: don't you also have an electric car? living the dream? 2021-09-26T00:51:54 < Mangy_Dog> we have a little miss hitler for a home sec 2021-09-26T00:52:04 < Mangy_Dog> and clueless fucking idiot as leader 2021-09-26T00:52:06 < zyp> catphish, recently ordered another 2021-09-26T00:52:16 < Mangy_Dog> and a front bench of corrupt cunts 2021-09-26T00:52:55 < catphish> zyp: i have a plan. it involves a VX220 and a nissan leaf ;) 2021-09-26T00:53:53 < zyp> if you want, we'll have a peugeot ion for sale when we get the new one, don't need three cars :) 2021-09-26T00:54:26 < mawk> zyp = rich 2021-09-26T00:54:28 < catphish> unless you're selling it for scrap, i doubt i'll give you worthwhile monies for it 2021-09-26T00:55:04 < mawk> how much does a monie weigh? 2021-09-26T00:55:15 < zyp> nah, it's old, but not scrap yet 2021-09-26T00:55:24 < catphish> my plan is to buy a scrap nissan leaf, and a VX220, and transplant the 110kW drivetrain from the former into the latter 2021-09-26T00:55:54 < zyp> nissan leaf is 110kW? 2021-09-26T00:56:11 < zyp> my egolf is only 85 2021-09-26T00:56:21 < catphish> zyp: upgraded from 80kW to 110kW in 2018 i think 2021-09-26T00:56:29 < zyp> ah, that makes sense 2021-09-26T00:56:51 < catphish> i can get a 110kW motor and inverter on ebay for about £1,500 2021-09-26T00:57:03 < catphish> the expensive part will be the battery pack 2021-09-26T00:57:15 < mouseghost> install a generator 2021-09-26T00:57:20 < mouseghost> and power it with diesel 2021-09-26T00:57:24 < catphish> no 2021-09-26T00:57:30 < zyp> I think that's about what I expect to get for the peugeot 2021-09-26T00:58:10 < zyp> but that's 47kW or something 2021-09-26T00:58:31 < catphish> zyp: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254708823137 and https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324786608012 2021-09-26T00:58:56 < catphish> i think those parts combined might give me a fun EV 2021-09-26T00:59:27 < zyp> :) 2021-09-26T01:00:20 < catphish> i'm no mechanic, but i found a guy locally who fabricates parts and converts classic cars to EV, so i've asked his advice 2021-09-26T01:00:23 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-26T01:02:24 < zyp> hmm, new car is 160kW 2021-09-26T01:04:19 < catphish> nice, what's that? 2021-09-26T01:04:24 < zyp> ioniq 5 2021-09-26T01:05:21 < catphish> EVs are so boring 2021-09-26T01:05:34 < catphish> we need more roadsters 2021-09-26T01:05:57 < catphish> that ioniq 5 looks expensive but... boring 2021-09-26T01:06:09 < zyp> haha, suits my needs well 2021-09-26T01:06:18 < catphish> though i thought that about the golf until i bought one 2021-09-26T01:06:39 < zyp> a roadster doesn't sound like a family car :) 2021-09-26T01:07:11 < catphish> yeah, i don't want a family car, i want something to get myself to the gym with maximum fun 2021-09-26T01:07:38 < catphish> they shoud sell this on its own https://hyundai-website-assets.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/production/assets.images/site_assets/ioniq5/platform_modular.jpg 2021-09-26T01:10:25 < zyp> I'm pretty happy with my egolf, but I don't really like the interiors of the new VW EVs 2021-09-26T01:10:50 < zyp> was considering the ID.4 as well 2021-09-26T01:11:21 < zyp> but the ioniq 5 both got better specs and were more comfortable to drive 2021-09-26T01:11:36 < zyp> at the same price point 2021-09-26T01:12:35 < catphish> i've heard good things about the id4 2021-09-26T01:12:58 < catphish> but i've never actually driven an EV 2021-09-26T01:13:19 < catphish> my first experience with one will probably be my DIY roadster" 2021-09-26T01:13:22 < catphish> *! 2021-09-26T01:13:29 < zyp> haha 2021-09-26T01:14:13 < zyp> I tried most of the cars that were on the market in 2016 2021-09-26T01:14:25 < zyp> except tesla, because they were anal about test driving 2021-09-26T01:15:40 < catphish> they don't really have dealships do they, you have to just order one 2021-09-26T01:16:02 < catphish> i guess if you want to test drive one you have to go to london or find a friend's 2021-09-26T01:16:04 < zyp> we do here, I think 2021-09-26T01:16:47 < zyp> we've got a big tesla dealership nearby, but I've never been inside 2021-09-26T01:19:18 < catphish> i think my car will cost as much as yours by the time i've finished building it" 2021-09-26T01:19:20 < catphish> *! 2021-09-26T01:20:29 < zyp> the TMY looks kinda interesting, but it'd end up at like 100k NOK more than the other options I were considering 2021-09-26T01:21:14 < zyp> and I don't think it's that much better to justify paying more for it 2021-09-26T01:28:52 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-26T01:29:09 < englishman> the model Y is indeed quite expensive 2021-09-26T01:29:36 < mawk> S 3 X Y 2021-09-26T01:32:56 < catphish> my ex business partner bought a model 3, it's awesome apart from the dash styling 2021-09-26T01:33:26 < zyp> one of my friends recently got one too, it's so far the only tesla I've driven 2021-09-26T01:34:57 < catphish> i've not driven one, but it left my golf gti in its dust 2021-09-26T01:35:26 < catphish> so i looked it up and it has the same 0-60 as my 718 cayman s (4.2s) which is insane for a family car 2021-09-26T01:36:12 < zyp> not a fan of having to look at the center screen for the speedometer, and the cruise control/lane assist whatever was dumb, but otherwise it had some good stuff 2021-09-26T01:36:31 < zyp> not a family car though 2021-09-26T01:36:46 < catphish> zyp: yeah, the interior is really shit (the wooden dash, touchscreen) 2021-09-26T01:37:20 < catphish> how is it not a family car? isn't it a regular 5 sear hatchback? 2021-09-26T01:37:37 < zyp> the steering wheel controls seemed like a good idea if I understood it correct 2021-09-26T01:37:54 < catphish> i'ven not looked at it that closely 2021-09-26T01:38:09 < zyp> I got the impression they are fairly generic and can be configured to some degree what they do 2021-09-26T01:38:34 < zyp> kinda non-intuitive at first look though, since they got no functions labelled 2021-09-26T01:39:14 < catphish> there's only 2 people in my family, in general boot space matters to me more than seating 2021-09-26T01:39:56 < catphish> the golf is perfect for me, but sometimes i yearn for something more fun on the side 2021-09-26T02:00:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@216.116.10.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-26T02:15:30 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-26T05:24:49 < karlp> "ircers don't do politics" wat?! 2021-09-26T05:25:06 * karlp has been watching live election results for hours.... 2021-09-26T05:29:33 < karlp> catphish: hang on, what?a tesla s3 is a family car? 2021-09-26T05:45:53 -!- c4017__ [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:6970:bd0b:559e:756f] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T05:49:49 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:59fb:6d2e:e320:e738] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-26T09:18:35 -!- CygniX [~CygniX@2605:6400:30:fdc6:68:f4:4e:78] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-26T10:45:35 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T11:02:04 < catphish> karlp: well yeah, it's got back seats and back doors, it's just a regular practical car 2021-09-26T11:04:21 < catphish> it's actually a four-door sedan, not a hatchback, so probably not as much boot space 2021-09-26T11:58:53 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-26T12:29:06 -!- steve_ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T12:30:59 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T12:33:28 -!- steve_ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-26T14:11:59 -!- Guest388 [~Guest3@103.47.147.147.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T14:12:10 -!- Guest388 is now known as Laurenceb 2021-09-26T14:19:11 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-26T14:21:48 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T14:30:23 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T14:33:17 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T14:50:46 < Laurenceb> suppp 2021-09-26T14:50:53 < Laurenceb> ban evasion ftw 2021-09-26T14:54:04 < Steffanx> i think people forgpt you were banned 2021-09-26T14:55:56 < sauce> will see how long it takes to be reminded 2021-09-26T14:56:10 < Mangy_Dog> who was banned and why? 2021-09-26T15:04:32 -!- Guest39 [~Guest3@47.200.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T15:04:40 -!- Guest39 is now known as Laurenceb_ 2021-09-26T15:04:46 < Laurenceb_> freaking javashit 2021-09-26T15:05:04 < Laurenceb_> libera webchat wont work with hidemyass or tor2web 2021-09-26T15:06:25 -!- Laurenceb [~Guest3@103.47.147.147.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-26T15:07:06 < Laurenceb_> but there is a way to ban evade... 2021-09-26T15:11:47 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T15:18:45 < catphish> this usb socket continues to annoy me - https://i.imgur.com/0FF23Rw.png that's some seriously tight clearance between the power surface mount pads and the shielding pins 2021-09-26T15:19:50 < catphish> 0.125mm 2021-09-26T15:31:47 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 2021-09-26T15:37:20 < catphish> ah it's just a shit footprint design :) 2021-09-26T15:37:59 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Guest3@47.200.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 2021-09-26T15:45:15 -!- Guest393 [~Guest3@47.200.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T15:45:15 < Guest393> >protonmail re-enabled tor registration 2021-09-26T15:45:18 < Guest393> trollin 2021-09-26T15:45:23 -!- Guest393 is now known as Laurenceb 2021-09-26T15:45:44 < Laurenceb> >protonmail tor registration just requires sms 2021-09-26T15:49:45 < Laurenceb> lol this will surely keep out teh haxors 2021-09-26T15:51:15 < Laurenceb> https://receivefreesms.co.uk/receive-sms/447520635797-united-kingdom 2021-09-26T15:51:47 < catphish> handy 2021-09-26T15:52:05 < Laurenceb> yeah everyone at wurk uses it for microshart teams 2021-09-26T15:52:36 < Laurenceb> chinese haxors keep trying to infiltrate the systems and everyone else has to re register about twice a day 2021-09-26T15:52:48 < Laurenceb> I'm not giving them my number 2021-09-26T15:53:31 < Laurenceb> kek at all the facebook trolls using it 2021-09-26T15:54:25 < Laurenceb> sms over gsm/gprs is sent plaintext anyway, so its not even secure in its intended use 2021-09-26T15:54:41 < catphish> Laurenceb: are you sure about that? 2021-09-26T15:54:57 < catphish> that seems insane / implausible :| 2021-09-26T15:55:04 < catphish> but i kinda believe you 2021-09-26T15:57:27 < Laurenceb> catphish: it was never intended to be secure, sms was an added feature, its use case was unclear at the time of design 2021-09-26T15:57:43 < Laurenceb> aiui it was thought that sms broadcast would be more commonly used 2021-09-26T16:01:49 < Laurenceb> anyone know how to profile windozer xp? 2021-09-26T16:02:09 < Laurenceb> I've got an old laptop that keeps locking up for tens of seconds at a time 2021-09-26T16:04:32 < Steffanx> Reinstall OD 2021-09-26T16:04:34 < Steffanx> S 2021-09-26T16:04:52 < Steffanx> Fuck wasting time on it otherwise 2021-09-26T16:10:52 < catphish> Laurenceb: that makes sense 2021-09-26T16:13:28 < Laurenceb> I cant work this shit out 2021-09-26T16:13:47 < Laurenceb> cpu fan doesnt rev up, but task manager shows 100% cpu 2021-09-26T16:15:07 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T16:20:09 < Laurenceb> like something is timing out 2021-09-26T16:22:50 -!- Laurenceb [~Guest3@47.200.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 2021-09-26T17:02:57 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-26T17:22:12 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T17:38:07 < bitmask> I'm only 25 pages in but im liking sutter's c++ coding standards 2021-09-26T17:38:44 < jpa-> 25 pages to read?! why not just go and code instead 2021-09-26T17:39:56 < bitmask> heh 2021-09-26T17:45:49 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@user/unmanbearpig] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-26T17:47:07 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T17:49:36 < bitmask> still got 4 more books to go after this one 2021-09-26T18:02:35 < Steffanx> Hello ##stm32 . How's the day? 2021-09-26T18:27:23 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-26T18:29:44 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T18:33:27 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@58.48.87.4] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T18:45:56 -!- fengdaolong [~fengdaolo@58.48.87.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-26T19:05:56 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T19:06:01 < kakium69> jpa-: it's a different experience 2021-09-26T19:09:03 < kakium69> it's like reading your industry monthly magazine 2021-09-26T19:09:24 < kakium69> cool stuff 2021-09-26T19:09:47 < kakium69> but not really relevant 2021-09-26T19:16:46 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5an4e1_x3c cat video of the day 2021-09-26T19:19:16 < Steffanx> Enjoy this totally irrelevant video kakium69: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uynI0gLxA7w 2021-09-26T19:19:27 < Steffanx> *unrelated 2021-09-26T19:19:55 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-26T19:23:30 < kakium69> interesting random 2021-09-26T19:23:54 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T19:29:08 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has quit [Quit: unmanbearpig] 2021-09-26T19:29:47 < Steffanx> Never seen it before kakium69 ? 2021-09-26T19:29:57 < kakium69> never 2021-09-26T19:30:49 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-09-26T19:35:04 < Steffanx> Did it at least give you a little smile mr kakium69 2021-09-26T19:35:14 < kakium69> I was amused 2021-09-26T19:35:22 < Steffanx> Or are you one of this ice cold finnishers 2021-09-26T19:37:14 < emeb> g071 audio processing working w/ internal ADC and internal DAC or I2S. 2021-09-26T19:37:40 < kakium69> I smiled a little to "Scheiße" 2021-09-26T19:38:07 < emeb> lederhosen and giant beer. 2021-09-26T19:38:14 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T19:41:18 < kakium69> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JurplDfPi3U fusion energy basic numbers 2021-09-26T19:42:44 < kakium69> sanity check for all the startup hype 2021-09-26T19:43:05 < kakium69> how do you feel about monday that is tommorow? 2021-09-26T19:50:07 < emeb> time is a meaningless construct 2021-09-26T19:52:29 < kakium69> is that your way to deal with monday anxiety? 2021-09-26T19:52:52 < srk> just skip mondays 2021-09-26T19:53:15 < kakium69> mine is to work every day so monday is just another day 2021-09-26T19:54:35 < srk> similiar but I usually reserver mondays for house chores 2021-09-26T19:55:23 < srk> everyone is hyped for the upcoming week so no deep work can be done anyway :-D 2021-09-26T19:56:06 < kakium69> pump the coffee 2021-09-26T19:56:20 < kakium69> when I had office jubb I didn't have coffee at home 2021-09-26T19:56:35 < kakium69> so monday was very pump 2021-09-26T19:59:35 < Steffanx> Hmpf 2021-09-26T19:59:58 < Steffanx> I stopped drinking coffee 2021-09-26T20:00:04 < oz4ga> You are not German. You're an idiot *rofl* 2021-09-26T20:00:46 < kakium69> best thing about jubbs is coffee 2021-09-26T20:01:01 < kakium69> like 1 litre of coffee 2021-09-26T20:01:02 < Steffanx> I'm fine with water or just some tea 2021-09-26T20:01:22 < Steffanx> Coffee gives those dips and weekend headache 2021-09-26T20:02:00 < kakium69> just die for weekend and revive yourself with company coffee on monday 2021-09-26T20:02:23 < Steffanx> Weekends are the best days of the week.. 2021-09-26T20:05:34 < kakium69> so I have heard 2021-09-26T20:06:10 < kakium69> night rider bbl> 2021-09-26T20:06:25 < PaulFertser> Take care kakium69 2021-09-26T20:06:35 < kakium69> ride fast kakium69 2021-09-26T20:06:54 < PaulFertser> No, ride slow and enjoy the ride rather than risk needlessly. 2021-09-26T20:07:28 < kakium69> enjoy the edge kakium69 2021-09-26T20:07:36 < kakium69> bbl> 2021-09-26T20:08:57 < Steffanx> Farewell kakium69 2021-09-26T20:09:09 < Steffanx> Better die doing what you like 😬😬 2021-09-26T20:09:22 < Steffanx> while doing* 2021-09-26T20:10:17 < Steffanx> But dont hit someone else. 2021-09-26T20:14:39 < srk> `Getting Started with PlatformIO - Better than the Arduino IDE` 2021-09-26T20:14:43 < srk> aww 2021-09-26T20:31:47 < catphish> i love how autorouters are simultaneously so much cleverer and so much more retarded than me 2021-09-26T20:33:35 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T21:08:23 -!- kraiskil [~kraiskil@cable-static-218-226.rsnweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-26T21:14:24 < kakium69> no but steff 2021-09-26T21:14:59 < kakium69> no buts 2021-09-26T21:16:47 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T21:16:59 < mouseghost> no butts 2021-09-26T21:20:41 < kakium69> yes butts butt no buts 2021-09-26T21:21:08 < Steffanx> the "but" part was my most important message to you kakium69 2021-09-26T21:21:29 < kakium69> can I kill a moose with my moped if I want? 2021-09-26T21:22:08 < Steffanx> Can sure, should no 2021-09-26T21:22:17 < qyx> be careful not to observe the effect of relativity 2021-09-26T21:30:35 < mawk> don't get impaled on the moose kakium69 2021-09-26T21:30:42 < mawk> his friends won't call 911 to save you 2021-09-26T21:31:26 < mawk> coffee doesn't give me headache Steffanx 2021-09-26T21:31:40 < mawk> because I make sure to always drink at least 1.5L of energy drink per day 2021-09-26T21:31:41 < Steffanx> its lack of coffee 2021-09-26T21:31:44 < mawk> no time for headache 2021-09-26T21:31:50 < mawk> even on weekend 2021-09-26T21:31:53 < mawk> yeah I know 2021-09-26T21:33:33 < mawk> I'm going to france Steffanx 2021-09-26T21:33:42 < mawk> do you want some cassoulet de castelnaudary? 2021-09-26T21:36:10 < Steffanx> White beans? Nah ty 2021-09-26T21:36:27 < kakium69> white beans in tomato sauce 2021-09-26T21:36:30 < kakium69> yamm 2021-09-26T21:37:46 < mawk> it's not just beans Steffanx 2021-09-26T21:38:00 < mawk> it's the perfect sauce, the juicy sausage, the good meat 2021-09-26T21:38:07 < mawk> it's the traditional dish of southwest france 2021-09-26T21:38:14 < mawk> from around toulouse 2021-09-26T21:38:38 < mawk> you can buy it in french shops here 2021-09-26T21:38:40 < mawk> canned one 2021-09-26T21:38:43 < mawk> but still it should be good 2021-09-26T21:38:46 < mawk> try it 2021-09-26T21:39:59 < kakium69> yes put sausage into beans it works 2021-09-26T21:41:30 < mawk> yes 2021-09-26T21:41:33 < mawk> but not any sausage 2021-09-26T21:41:40 < mawk> it's a very soft sausage 2021-09-26T21:41:45 < mawk> no chunky bits outside 2021-09-26T21:41:56 < mawk> a bit like knack but much tastier 2021-09-26T21:42:01 < mawk> knack is industrial gunk 2021-09-26T21:42:10 < mawk> chunky bits inside* 2021-09-26T21:42:24 < mawk> it's like a meat foam sausage 2021-09-26T21:42:37 < mawk> the most perfect sausage there is 2021-09-26T21:42:48 < mawk> are you ircing from your moped kakium69 ???? 2021-09-26T21:42:51 < mawk> stop that right now 2021-09-26T21:43:29 < kakium69> yes my moped has shell ofcourse 2021-09-26T21:43:31 < Steffanx> What's happening in France mawk? 2021-09-26T21:43:41 < mawk> my grandpa is dying 2021-09-26T21:43:45 < mawk> so I'm going to see him 2021-09-26T21:43:45 < Steffanx> Having a party with your old neighbours? 2021-09-26T21:43:56 < kakium69> wait 2021-09-26T21:43:56 < mawk> lol no 2021-09-26T21:44:08 < kakium69> aren't you french living in frenchland mawk? 2021-09-26T21:44:18 < mawk> no I'm french living in Steffanland 2021-09-26T21:44:25 < mawk> I'm just half french in reality 2021-09-26T21:44:28 < kakium69> tf 2021-09-26T21:44:30 < mawk> I'm also dutch citizen 2021-09-26T21:44:45 < mawk> I'm in steffanland since 2 years 2021-09-26T21:44:46 < kakium69> have you been at steffs? 2021-09-26T21:44:49 < mawk> before I was in france 2021-09-26T21:44:51 < mawk> not yet 2021-09-26T21:44:57 < mawk> he's too far 2021-09-26T21:45:01 < mawk> in the countryside 2021-09-26T21:45:08 < kakium69> maybe 2021-09-26T21:54:18 -!- HelloShitty [~psysc0rpi@bl20-171-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-26T21:56:40 -!- HelloShitty [~psysc0rpi@bl20-171-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T22:09:12 < Steffanx> And I dont want to go to the busy city side, kakium69 :P 2021-09-26T22:09:42 < kakium69> ye 2021-09-26T22:09:52 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-26T23:31:54 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-26T23:39:03 -!- Guest36 [~Guest3@47.200.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-26T23:39:07 -!- Guest36 is now known as Laurenceb_ 2021-09-26T23:51:19 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Day changed Mon Sep 27 2021 2021-09-27T00:05:15 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T00:07:34 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Guest3@47.200.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-27T00:44:42 -!- Guest379 [~Guest3@14.207.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T00:51:52 < jadew> jlc has free assembly now? 2021-09-27T00:52:07 < jadew> so $2 for the PCB with free assembly... ffs 2021-09-27T00:52:29 < jadew> they want to kill the competition thoroughly 2021-09-27T00:52:49 < jadew> ah, it says the free assembly is a coupon, so I guess it's a temporary thing 2021-09-27T00:53:25 < jadew> can you merge jlc orders with lcsc? 2021-09-27T00:53:33 < jadew> that would be neat 2021-09-27T01:03:03 < mawk> probably yes 2021-09-27T01:03:33 < mawk> they have a common order basket thing I think 2021-09-27T01:03:57 < jadew> let me check 2021-09-27T01:04:32 < jadew> doesn't looks like it 2021-09-27T01:04:43 < jadew> but it did log me in automatically to lcsc 2021-09-27T01:04:46 < zyp> jlc assembly sources from lcsc 2021-09-27T01:04:51 < jadew> I'm surprised by how good jlc's website got 2021-09-27T01:04:52 < zyp> and only there 2021-09-27T01:05:09 < zyp> yeah, jlc is pretty cool 2021-09-27T01:05:24 < jadew> they're going to be huge 2021-09-27T01:05:27 < zyp> I did the orbtrace testjig boards there 2021-09-27T01:05:42 < zyp> cost me like $15 shipped and arrived in a week or so 2021-09-27T01:05:57 < jadew> shipped via what? 2021-09-27T01:06:00 < zyp> DHL 2021-09-27T01:06:03 < jadew> wow 2021-09-27T01:06:13 < zyp> the $15 was $2 for boards and $13 for shipping 2021-09-27T01:06:23 < Steffanx> DHL rant coming in 3..2.1.. jadew? :P 2021-09-27T01:06:33 < jadew> they're quoting me $92 for shipping, but my order has 5 framed stencils, which are fairly heavy 2021-09-27T01:06:47 < jadew> Steffanx, no, I'd rather have DHL than anything else these days 2021-09-27T01:06:56 < zyp> agreed 2021-09-27T01:07:11 < zyp> DHL is the only thing that's consistently fast 2021-09-27T01:07:41 < jadew> and they don't have additional taxes if you have an EORI number 2021-09-27T01:08:04 < zyp> UPS' fast service is pretty great, but the naming is retarded and it's not very obvious whether you'll get the slow or fast one 2021-09-27T01:08:27 < zyp> digikey and mouser always uses the fast one, but from other places it's more random 2021-09-27T01:09:09 < jadew> there's a slow one? 2021-09-27T01:09:20 < zyp> jlcpcb quality is also surprisingly good: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/yRYjM.JPG 2021-09-27T01:09:27 < zyp> yeah 2021-09-27T01:10:25 < zyp> fast one means stuff leaves the US one day, gets sorted in europe the next day, gets sorted in oslo next morning and arrives here around 14 same day 2021-09-27T01:11:11 < zyp> slow one is slower and once stuff gets to oslo it gets handed off to national mail and takes another day or two to get here 2021-09-27T01:11:45 < zyp> and sometimes they demand prepayment of import taxes instead of invoicing you afterwards 2021-09-27T01:12:51 < jadew> they always ask for prepayment here, but it's usually handled very fast 2021-09-27T01:15:07 < zyp> they rarely do here and I'm not sure exactly when 2021-09-27T01:15:13 < zyp> only happened two-three times 2021-09-27T01:32:06 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbj_iu_8Lso 2021-09-27T01:33:16 -!- dodo__ [~dodo@186.11.118.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-27T01:33:28 < jadew> night 2021-09-27T01:36:11 < mouseghost> night 2021-09-27T01:36:27 < Steffanx> Youre early jadew 2021-09-27T01:37:11 < mouseghost> zyp, im also pretty impressed with their quality 2021-09-27T01:38:04 < Steffanx> is that a 2 or 4 layer board zyp? 2021-09-27T01:41:28 -!- steve_ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T01:41:46 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-27T01:42:13 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-27T01:51:37 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-27T01:57:47 < mawk> us pros only do 14 layers ste 2021-09-27T01:57:50 < mawk> Steffanx 2021-09-27T02:03:30 < Steffanx> 14. Makes sense 2021-09-27T02:29:38 < karlp> what size caps are those zyp? 0402? 2021-09-27T02:42:21 -!- Guest379 [~Guest3@14.207.208.46.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 2021-09-27T02:42:55 < karlp> man, aliexpress is so strange. shipping on things frrom the same vendor are all over the place 2021-09-27T04:09:08 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-27T04:32:51 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@178-55-5-28.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-27T04:35:07 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-27T04:36:14 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T04:40:55 -!- steve_ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-27T05:54:52 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T06:32:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@216.116.10.5] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T07:47:50 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-27T08:02:34 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I'm shocked.... 2021-09-27T12:47:57 < karlp> cube just crashed three times in a row, differently, just trying to start it up. 2021-09-27T12:48:00 < karlp> Attempt to unlock mutex that was not locked 2021-09-27T12:48:02 < karlp> nice one. 2021-09-27T12:48:35 < jadew> maybe it's a named one? 2021-09-27T12:48:59 < jadew> reboot 2021-09-27T13:18:17 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T13:47:40 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@cpc92794-cmbg19-2-0-cust589.5-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-27T15:03:10 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T15:03:18 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-09-27T15:03:38 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T15:04:11 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has quit [Changing host] 2021-09-27T15:04:11 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@user/unmanbearpig] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T15:36:25 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@fw-tnat-cam4.arm.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T15:37:29 -!- wwilly_ [~wwilly@fw-tnat-cam4.arm.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T15:38:13 -!- Flecks is now known as Fleck 2021-09-27T15:40:55 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@fw-tnat-cam4.arm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-27T15:43:19 < Ecco> Hi there :) 2021-09-27T15:43:39 < Ecco> The STM32's datasheet that I'm reading says that the internal SMPS should be connected to VDD throught a ferrite bead 2021-09-27T15:43:47 < Ecco> What's the point of the ferrite bead? 2021-09-27T15:47:08 < jpa-> to block high frequency noise 2021-09-27T15:48:14 -!- wwilly_ is now known as wwilly 2021-09-27T15:48:41 < Ecco> What undesirable side effect could happen without one? 2021-09-27T15:50:11 < jpa-> weird spikes in ADC results, noise emitted to all GPIO lines, your product failing CE testing and your boss yelling at you 2021-09-27T16:08:31 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T16:21:48 < BrainDamage> also, stress due to changing design after deployment due to random failures 2021-09-27T16:27:41 < jpa-> that sounds like bad testing 2021-09-27T16:30:07 < englishman> you can always replace a bead with a 0r jumper if you don't need it. it's harder to greenwire in a bead 2021-09-27T16:35:36 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-27T16:35:39 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T16:35:43 < karlp> but think of the ruthenium waste with that 0r! 2021-09-27T16:37:23 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-27T16:38:30 < mawk> nobody likes ruthenium anyway 2021-09-27T16:38:33 < mawk> let's waste it 2021-09-27T16:39:28 < englishman> you could put a metal jumper then 2021-09-27T16:43:24 < karlp> something like 40 tonnes a year produced, mos of it going into thick film resistors 2021-09-27T16:43:32 < karlp> interesting production sequence too. 2021-09-27T16:44:47 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-27T16:58:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T17:05:59 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T17:36:04 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T18:04:16 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-27T18:05:01 < Ecco> I'm still struggling with an SMPS datasheet 2021-09-27T18:05:11 < Ecco> Datasheet says : https://i.imgur.com/CVt28Ky.png 2021-09-27T18:05:26 < Ecco> 4.7 uF cap on SMPS input 2021-09-27T18:05:35 < Ecco> Then "Getting started" application note says 2021-09-27T18:06:04 < Ecco> https://i.imgur.com/asZ9sLD.png 2021-09-27T18:06:19 < Ecco> So, 4 options. None of which is just one 4.7 uF cap 2021-09-27T18:07:36 < Ecco> What am I supposed to do?? 2021-09-27T18:07:48 < zyp> isn't the quote from the AN about Cout1? 2021-09-27T18:08:13 < Ecco> Nope 2021-09-27T18:08:18 < Ecco> let me upload a larger image 2021-09-27T18:08:33 < zyp> how about just link me the AN? 2021-09-27T18:08:37 < zyp> or give me the AN number 2021-09-27T18:08:38 < Fleck> ;p 2021-09-27T18:08:39 < Ecco> https://i.imgur.com/XG7GcRn.png 2021-09-27T18:08:45 < Ecco> AN5419 2021-09-27T18:09:01 < Ecco> So for Cout1/Cout2, the AN recommends 2x10uF 2021-09-27T18:09:23 < Ecco> which is also what the datasheet says (they just say Cout = 10uF, I think it can be understood as Cout1=Cout2=10uF) 2021-09-27T18:11:02 < zyp> have you looked at page 9? 2021-09-27T18:11:08 < Ecco> Yeah :) 2021-09-27T18:11:17 < Ecco> Well, the AN is consistent with itself, right? 2021-09-27T18:11:25 < Ecco> On page 9 they also recommend 10uF+4.7uF 2021-09-27T18:11:38 < zyp> then why not just do that? 2021-09-27T18:11:50 < Ecco> Because it doesn't match what the datasheet says (4.7 uF) 2021-09-27T18:11:58 < zyp> for capacitance, generally more is better as long as you don't run into inrush issues 2021-09-27T18:11:59 < Ecco> and it doesn't match what they did on the Disco board either 2021-09-27T18:12:07 < Ecco> (just one 10uF) 2021-09-27T18:12:24 < zyp> yeah, sure, one might be enough, but why not just put two? 2021-09-27T18:12:56 < Ecco> Well, I don't mind, really 2021-09-27T18:12:57 < zyp> two might not be much better than one, but it won't be worse 2021-09-27T18:13:09 < Ecco> I'm just wondering why their documents don't "agree" with each other so much 2021-09-27T18:13:17 < zyp> it's a matter of performance vs area cost 2021-09-27T18:13:18 < Ecco> so I don't know which option to pick 2021-09-27T18:13:37 < zyp> pick whatever you can fit in your area and monetary budgets 2021-09-27T18:13:58 < Ecco> Yeah, ok, makes sense :) 2021-09-27T18:14:48 < Ecco> Thanks! 2021-09-27T18:15:00 < Ecco> Another quesiton: 2021-09-27T18:15:06 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-27T18:15:07 < Ecco> I know VDD pairs should have 100nF each 2021-09-27T18:15:13 < Ecco> + one 4.7uF overall 2021-09-27T18:15:24 < Ecco> question: is this written anywhere in the RefMan / Datasheet? 2021-09-27T18:15:44 < Ecco> The only place I see this mentionned is either in the getting started AN or in the disco board schematics 2021-09-27T18:17:59 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T18:18:01 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T18:27:15 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2021-09-27T18:29:04 < karlp> heh, one of my problems last week was c++ not telling me anything was wrong with doing blah.u32 = some_float.... 2021-09-27T18:29:10 < karlp> just happily truncated it to zero. 2021-09-27T18:32:07 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-27T18:35:03 < PaulFertser> Ecco: I opened STM32F051x datasheet, it has the note in "Power supply scheme". 2021-09-27T18:44:44 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-27T18:46:43 < Ecco> I'm reading STM32H725 datasheet. It has a section "Power supply scheme", but that doesn't mention any cap at all :( 2021-09-27T18:47:02 < Ecco> Oh well, there's a note "Refer to application note AN5419 “Getting started with STM32H723/733, STM32H725/735 and STM32H730 Value Line hardware development“ for the possible power scheme and connected capacitors. 2021-09-27T18:47:08 < Ecco> So I guess it's really all in the AN :) 2021-09-27T18:48:32 < Ecco> Another weird inconsistency: 2021-09-27T18:48:47 < Ecco> In the dico board schematics, they use 10uF+100nF to filter VREF+ 2021-09-27T18:48:56 < Ecco> In the AN, they say it should be 1uF + 100nF 2021-09-27T18:49:01 < Ecco> who should I believe/copy? :-D 2021-09-27T18:49:09 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T18:49:35 < catphish> such decoupling, very smooth https://i.imgur.com/YNrj9iL.png wow 2021-09-27T18:50:04 < Steffanx> Love the silk screen 2021-09-27T18:50:16 < catphish> lol it's a work of art isn't it 2021-09-27T18:50:24 < catphish> what, you want to read it??! 2021-09-27T18:51:49 < Steffanx> Maybe make it a bit more random. Rotate it randomly, swap around a bit 2021-09-27T18:51:57 < catphish> lol 2021-09-27T18:53:03 < catphish> time to look up board houses minimum font size :) 2021-09-27T18:54:54 < catphish> there doesn't appear to be enough space for a silk screen :'( 2021-09-27T19:01:31 < Ecco> yet another discrepancy 2021-09-27T19:01:43 < Ecco> AN5419 does not mention any ferrite bead for SMPS input 2021-09-27T19:01:50 < Ecco> neither do the RefMan or datasheet 2021-09-27T19:01:57 < Ecco> yet the disco board has one 2021-09-27T19:02:45 -!- steve_ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T19:26:55 < catphish> Steffanx: https://i.imgur.com/YnmrDUi.png i hope you're happy, your perfectionism just cost my client money! 2021-09-27T19:29:33 < Steffanx> Haha catphish 2021-09-27T19:30:26 < Steffanx> But van your perfectionism really deal with every thing next to the part except for c24, r22 and r30? ;) 2021-09-27T19:30:27 < catphish> in all seriousness, i tend to do this at the end, but this board is a little tighter than i'm experienced with, and i think i will need to think about silk screen as i go along 2021-09-27T19:36:32 < catphish> ^ it'll have to :) 2021-09-27T19:47:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@216.116.10.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-27T19:48:21 < jpa-> catphish: how much did it cost them? 2021-09-27T20:05:41 < englishman> unless you have tented vias those inner silks won't come out well 2021-09-27T20:05:55 < englishman> if you move the resistors further away you can move those refdes outside 2021-09-27T20:14:00 < catphish> i assumed tented vias would print fine, but never really thought about it, might look at moving them 2021-09-27T20:14:16 < catphish> jpa-: idk, like 15 minutes, whatever i charge for that, idk 2021-09-27T20:17:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-27T20:33:41 < Fleck> ldr r3, [pc, #4] << can anyone interpret please? 2021-09-27T20:33:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T20:43:26 < steve_> Fleck was that compiled by a C compiler? 2021-09-27T20:46:51 < Fleck> C++ 2021-09-27T20:51:39 < Steffanx> https://www.instagram.com/julius.colorization/ I know instagram, but pretty damn cool (imho) 2021-09-27T20:52:58 < Steffanx> Also: old 2021-09-27T21:02:56 < zyp> Fleck, r3 = pc[4]; 2021-09-27T21:03:25 < zyp> pc-relative loads are typically from a constant pool at the end of the function 2021-09-27T21:04:36 < qyx> catphish: I tend to to remove refs and place a "15x100n" text there instead 2021-09-27T21:15:38 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T21:16:02 < kakium69> hello dear 2021-09-27T21:29:35 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T21:30:25 < mouseghost> a pretty chinese woman sent her picture to me in reply to business inquiry 2021-09-27T21:32:19 < kakium69> hmm 2021-09-27T21:33:07 < kakium69> normal 2021-09-27T21:33:42 < kakium69> what business? 2021-09-27T21:34:06 < mouseghost> kakium69, chemistry 2021-09-27T21:34:22 < kakium69> a bit sus 2021-09-27T21:34:27 < mouseghost> why? 2021-09-27T21:34:33 < kakium69> what you cookin? 2021-09-27T21:34:39 < mouseghost> i just needed to check for metol prices 2021-09-27T21:34:43 < kakium69> 8) 2021-09-27T21:34:50 < mouseghost> cus they are high as fuck here and i was wondering if they were lower in the my friend spectrum 2021-09-27T21:34:57 < kakium69> what is metol 2021-09-27T21:35:01 < kakium69> never heard 2021-09-27T21:35:04 < mouseghost> developing agent i think 2021-09-27T21:35:07 < mouseghost> for photography 2021-09-27T21:35:09 < kakium69> ah 2021-09-27T21:35:12 < mouseghost> thats what i want it for, at least 2021-09-27T21:35:20 < mouseghost> on alibaba it said 8-35 dorra for a kilo of metol 2021-09-27T21:35:42 < mouseghost> and i was like, wow, low price, let me ask (cause here its like hmm, a lot more a kg) 2021-09-27T21:35:47 < mouseghost> but she replied and said 400 usd, and this is the price i see here 2021-09-27T21:35:51 < mouseghost> so 2021-09-27T21:35:52 < mouseghost> hm 2021-09-27T21:36:21 < kakium69> just say you are from mouseghost imports limited 2021-09-27T21:37:07 < mouseghost> kakium69, nah i dont import shit for the living 2021-09-27T21:39:09 < kakium69> do you need a kilo 2021-09-27T21:43:27 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@fw-tnat-cam4.arm.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2021-09-27T21:49:35 < mouseghost> nah 2021-09-27T21:49:39 < mouseghost> more like 10g kakium69 2021-09-27T21:49:44 < mouseghost> i was just wondering about the price 2021-09-27T21:51:17 < Steffanx> Any nice analog pictures you can digitalize to show us, mouseghost ? 2021-09-27T21:51:38 < mouseghost> Steffanx, would showing them on the telegram be good? 2021-09-27T21:51:49 < Steffanx> Sure. 2021-09-27T21:52:40 < Steffanx> Doesn't have to be in the public ##stm32 group though 2021-09-27T21:57:14 < mouseghost> Steffanx, too late 2021-09-27T22:01:27 < Steffanx> What kind of vintage camera do you have? 2021-09-27T22:02:49 < mouseghost> Steffanx, vivitar xv-1 2021-09-27T22:09:03 < Steffanx> Ah, vintage it is. older than me :) 2021-09-27T22:12:56 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@cpc92794-cmbg19-2-0-cust589.5-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T22:20:38 < catphish> qyx: not a bad idea :) 2021-09-27T22:21:50 < catphish> this is the first time i've done electronic design for someone else, it's going quite well i think :) the customer likes big through hole test points, which adds fun to a dense board 2021-09-27T22:22:26 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-27T22:24:50 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T22:26:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T22:27:30 < upgrdman> trying to run java17 on the original pi. the "arm32" adoptium build just crashes with a seg fault. any idea why? 2021-09-27T22:28:16 < PaulFertser> Original raspberrypi 1 is armv6 . 2021-09-27T22:28:33 < upgrdman> armv6 != arm32? 2021-09-27T22:29:03 < PaulFertser> You can't tell unless you know what gcc options (march/mtune/mcpu) exactly were used for that "arm32". 2021-09-27T22:29:27 < upgrdman> shit. the s390 and ppc are still officially supported, but a 5 year old pi is not. :/ 2021-09-27T22:30:14 < PaulFertser> That first rpi board was rather unfortunate to have an uncommon architecture. None of the mainstream distros could run on it. 2021-09-27T22:30:19 < upgrdman> well i guess its >5 years, but still 2021-09-27T22:30:26 < upgrdman> true 2021-09-27T22:31:05 < upgrdman> i wonder if the pi1 processor supports any SIMD instructions 2021-09-27T22:31:44 < upgrdman> i was hoping to test the new java vector api on my laptop/pi1/pi4/vps droplet and see how they compare 2021-09-27T22:32:44 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: rpi1 has vfp but not neon. 2021-09-27T22:32:50 < upgrdman> fwiw, my $5 digitalocean droplet is ~4x slower than my surface pro 7 in a quick test i did :) 2021-09-27T22:32:55 < upgrdman> k 2021-09-27T22:33:56 < upgrdman> vfp means only basic SIMD float stuff, but nothing for integers/bools/etc, right? 2021-09-27T22:36:49 < PaulFertser> I do not think VFP means any SIMD at all, but I'm not sure. 2021-09-27T22:39:00 < PaulFertser> "VFP can perform vector operations across "banks" of registers" 2021-09-27T22:39:20 < englishman> original pi is about 9 years old is it not? 2021-09-27T22:39:59 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: damned mouse] 2021-09-27T22:41:34 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-27T22:42:30 < Ecco> Is there any ST sample board that works an USB Type-C device? I could use some reference schematics for that :) 2021-09-27T22:43:15 < Ecco> Afaik, VFP is just not a vector processor 2021-09-27T22:43:38 < Ecco> I don't know where the name comes from. But it's just a FPU really (as in, hardware implementation of IEEE754 operations) 2021-09-27T22:44:59 < PaulFertser> Ecco: see quote above ^^ 2021-09-27T22:46:38 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, i dont quite understand. so VFP is a half-assed SIMD thing, where it doesnt have dedicated registers, it just reuses scalar registers? 2021-09-27T22:46:57 < upgrdman> so is it any faster than scalar op codes? like does it have >1 FPU? 2021-09-27T22:47:13 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: no, VFP is an FPU which can also like multiply vectors size 3 when all arguments are in FPU registers. 2021-09-27T22:47:29 < upgrdman> o 2021-09-27T22:48:00 < upgrdman> heh, well i guess its almost time to retire my pi1's and the pi-zero that i still haven't opened yet 2021-09-27T22:48:38 < upgrdman> some china company emailed me offered a free 11" 1080p pi lcd/case thinggy if i do a youtube video 2021-09-27T22:48:53 < mouseghost> you up to compare online iq/aq test results? 2021-09-27T22:48:56 < upgrdman> kinda tempted. i could use a small lcd for random stuff 2021-09-27T22:49:03 < mouseghost> upgrdman, are you a youtuber 2021-09-27T22:49:12 < upgrdman> guilty 2021-09-27T22:59:44 < kakium69> also software developer 2021-09-27T23:00:08 < kakium69> telemetryviewer is nice 2021-09-27T23:02:08 < zyp> Ecco, stm32g072-disco 2021-09-27T23:02:28 < zyp> I bought one to play with, but haven't really had time yet :) 2021-09-27T23:03:58 < kakium69> upgrdman: I see you have been active with TMV again 2021-09-27T23:04:44 < upgrdman> ya 2021-09-27T23:05:10 < upgrdman> its a pet project that keeps being useful and sucking up my time to improve it more and more 2021-09-27T23:05:44 < upgrdman> spent a lot of time optimizing the data processing code recently. my tablet pc can now process just over 10Gbps of telemetry now :) 2021-09-27T23:05:59 < kakium69> :p 2021-09-27T23:06:57 < upgrdman> playing with SIMD code now, and if i put in enough effort, i can probably get close to 20Gbps, but not sure it would be worth my time or worth the complexity. i dont really need to process >5Gbps 2021-09-27T23:08:55 < kakium69> are there any relevant data rates outside couple of hundred hz 2021-09-27T23:10:14 < kakium69> sent you a cup of coffee 2021-09-27T23:10:22 < mouseghost> upgrdman, what kind of telemetry? 2021-09-27T23:10:48 < upgrdman> well if stm ever restocks their microcontrollers, i designed a 7.2MSps oscope/datalogger. and if it prooves useful i may design a >= 100MSps oscope (fpga, etc.) mainly for fun but with the intent of making something useful 2021-09-27T23:11:17 < kakium69> http://farrellf.com/TelemetryViewer/ mouseghost 2021-09-27T23:11:42 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-27T23:12:17 < mouseghost> looks nice 2021-09-27T23:12:24 < upgrdman> mouseghost, uart/tcp/udp/camera as sources of telemetry 2021-09-27T23:12:28 < mouseghost> nice 2021-09-27T23:12:34 < mouseghost> upgrdman, well, you could just order them and wait 2021-09-27T23:13:42 < upgrdman> mouseghost, "expected lead time: 53 weeks" ... indeed 2021-09-27T23:13:49 < mouseghost> yes 2021-09-27T23:13:55 < mouseghost> so a year 2021-09-27T23:14:11 < upgrdman> if anyone wants to scalp me for a few stm32f730z8t6 chips, let me know :) 2021-09-27T23:50:53 < Fleck> zyp: OK, when PC is 0x80002e0, r3 is 0x80002e8, I however guessed it would be 0x80002e4, why is that? 2021-09-27T23:51:57 < zyp> that doesn't make sense 2021-09-27T23:52:12 < zyp> you're loading the value stored at pc+4 into r3 2021-09-27T23:52:19 < Fleck> 0x80002e0 : ldr r3, [pc, #4] ; (0x80002e8 ) 2021-09-27T23:56:16 < Fleck> Ill better paste the whole testfunctionA, I guess I am missing something 2021-09-27T23:57:19 < Fleck> https://p.rullz.lv/kixonivono.cpp --- Day changed Tue Sep 28 2021 2021-09-28T00:03:18 < mawk> technology is against me today 2021-09-28T00:03:28 < mawk> I walked 2h under the rain to buy a paysafeCASH ticket to put moneys on my bank account 2021-09-28T00:03:53 < mawk> the cashier didn't understand properly and sold me a paysafeCARD ticket, which despite being issued by the same company and having an almost identical name isn't compatible and almost worthless 2021-09-28T00:04:03 < mawk> like I'm going to use it to buy video game money or something 2021-09-28T00:04:38 < mawk> then I finally found a pigeon willing to send me a bank wire for cash, and as I receive it the website I wanted to pay on absolutely today before it's too late has a maintenance 2021-09-28T00:07:05 < upgrdman> mawk, why dont you have a real bank account 2021-09-28T00:07:41 < mawk> I have a real bank account upgrdman 2021-09-28T00:07:42 < mawk> I have even 2 2021-09-28T00:07:52 < Steffanx> Mawk wants to buy drugs 2021-09-28T00:08:00 < Steffanx> Semi-anonymously 2021-09-28T00:08:09 < upgrdman> so why are you wasting time with some paysafe stuff 2021-09-28T00:08:16 < mawk> bcz I have cash upgrdman 2021-09-28T00:08:21 < upgrdman> why 2021-09-28T00:08:23 < mawk> and I want to put back the cash on the bank account 2021-09-28T00:08:26 < mawk> why not 2021-09-28T00:08:31 < upgrdman> cash is for drug addicts and prostitutes 2021-09-28T00:08:36 < mawk> everyone has huge amounts of cash in their wallets 2021-09-28T00:08:36 < mawk> :( 2021-09-28T00:08:52 < Steffanx> I still prefer cash as well 2021-09-28T00:08:57 < upgrdman> your bank doesn't let you despoit cash? 2021-09-28T00:09:00 < mawk> not from netherlands upgrdman 2021-09-28T00:09:02 < Steffanx> Fucking credit wankers you Yankees 😋 2021-09-28T00:09:07 < upgrdman> indeed 2021-09-28T00:09:35 < upgrdman> if i have to use cash for >2 transactions per year, i feel abused 2021-09-28T00:09:37 < Steffanx> I think you actually have to pay money to deposit money 2021-09-28T00:09:51 < upgrdman> lol euro banks 2021-09-28T00:10:06 < Steffanx> Fucking banks want money for everything 2021-09-28T00:10:36 < Steffanx> My bank doesn't even have a physical location, that doesn't help 2021-09-28T00:10:50 < upgrdman> wut 2021-09-28T00:10:58 < Steffanx> Online banking. 2021-09-28T00:11:00 < Steffanx> Digital. 2021-09-28T00:11:06 < upgrdman> i thought europe was ~developed 2021-09-28T00:11:16 < upgrdman> even china has physical banks... lots of em 2021-09-28T00:11:35 < Steffanx> Online only = progress 2021-09-28T00:11:42 < Steffanx> At least they think it is 2021-09-28T00:11:50 < upgrdman> in fact, when im in china, 99.9% of the time there is >1 bank within line of sight 2021-09-28T00:12:24 < Steffanx> ATMs all around. No banks 2021-09-28T00:12:31 < upgrdman> theres >20 bank locations within 1km of my china apartment 2021-09-28T00:12:43 < upgrdman> they f'ing love banks 2021-09-28T00:12:58 < upgrdman> more banks than convenience stores 2021-09-28T00:13:47 < zyp> Steffanx, it is 2021-09-28T00:14:00 < zyp> my main bank is also online only, it's great 2021-09-28T00:15:07 < zyp> they've got customer support chat open 18 hours a day, why would I want to have to drop by during a limited window in the middle of the day when I can chat them up whenever? 2021-09-28T00:16:04 < zyp> hmm, they've reduced opening hours, now it's only 15 hours a day 2021-09-28T00:16:31 < zyp> point still stands though 2021-09-28T00:19:17 < jadew> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/804210713982926894/892146796233642054/brexit-leaving-european-union-memes-fb8-png__700.png 2021-09-28T00:20:30 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-28T00:21:48 < Steffanx> Yeah, for me it works fine... but then I never ever had to contact them 2021-09-28T00:23:18 < zyp> I've been with this bank for 13 years or so, they've always been online only and they're rated #1 on customer satisfaction 2021-09-28T00:23:23 < zyp> so they're doing a lot of stuff right 2021-09-28T00:32:24 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-28T00:34:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-28T00:46:21 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-28T01:01:40 < machinehum> UK running out of gas? 2021-09-28T01:05:38 -!- sauce [~sauce@omae.wa.mou.shindei.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-28T01:06:47 -!- sauce [~sauce@omae.wa.mou.shindei.ru] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T01:08:44 < catphish> machinehum: idividual sellers are running out because there's problems with deliveries coupled with people buying extra 2021-09-28T01:09:07 < catphish> its kind of annoying when you have a motorbike with a small tank :( 2021-09-28T01:10:10 < zyp> better build that EV now 2021-09-28T01:12:11 < catphish> yep! 2021-09-28T01:12:33 < catphish> i emailed the local EV guy asking if he thinks my vx200/leaf mashup will work 2021-09-28T01:12:42 < catphish> he hasn't got back to me yet 2021-09-28T01:12:59 < mawk> zyp Steffanx : at my physical bank I have the direct line of my counselor that I can call outside office hours 2021-09-28T01:13:15 < mawk> she knows me, and she does little arrangements with the security procedures to speed things up for me 2021-09-28T01:13:21 < mawk> you don't get that at online bank 2021-09-28T01:13:44 < zyp> doesn't sound like something I need 2021-09-28T01:13:51 < zyp> what security procedures? 2021-09-28T01:15:17 < mawk> like requiring my signature to open a credit 2021-09-28T01:15:27 < mawk> or requiring my physical presence to change my phone number or address 2021-09-28T01:15:32 < zyp> wat 2021-09-28T01:15:34 < mawk> she just waves it away "I'll sign for you" 2021-09-28T01:15:37 < mawk> lol 2021-09-28T01:15:42 < mawk> I feel very safe in this ban 2021-09-28T01:15:42 < zyp> you don't have instant digital signatures for that sort of shit? 2021-09-28T01:15:43 < mawk> k 2021-09-28T01:15:52 < mawk> for a loan? 2021-09-28T01:15:57 < mawk> not really 2021-09-28T01:16:06 < mawk> and changing phone number is a sensitive thing 2021-09-28T01:16:23 < mawk> you don't have an instant procedure for that, the phone number is the token you use to authorize debits and payments and all that 2021-09-28T01:16:32 < mawk> if anyone with your password could change it it's an issue 2021-09-28T01:18:02 < zyp> for loans, sure 2021-09-28T01:18:48 < zyp> I moved my house loan to a new bank a few weeks ago, yet another online only bank 2021-09-28T01:19:14 < zyp> signed all the paperwork online too 2021-09-28T01:20:59 < zyp> same thing when I got the car loan for my previous car 2021-09-28T01:21:55 < zyp> for the new cars I actually signed some papers and dropped it in the mail this morning though 2021-09-28T01:23:05 < zyp> apparently the paperwork can only be signed digitally if the car already has a license plate number, so I could either wait or sign it on paper 2021-09-28T01:23:22 < zyp> last time I just waited, this time I figured I'll just do the paperwork ahead of time 2021-09-28T01:23:57 < zyp> I think they cheat a bit and add the license plate number later on the paper I signed, and that can't be done with a digitally signed document :p 2021-09-28T01:24:06 < catphish> wow the ray tracing in kicad looks sexy https://i.imgur.com/QdrMzIt.png 2021-09-28T01:27:04 < zyp> I like having boards over having renders :p 2021-09-28T01:27:55 < catphish> nah, i like renders, your mistakes don't matter ;) 2021-09-28T01:28:49 < zyp> a board with fuckups is still more useful than a render 2021-09-28T01:28:57 < catphish> not always ;) 2021-09-28T01:29:06 < zyp> never less :) 2021-09-28T01:29:07 < catphish> but at least you can play with it 2021-09-28T01:30:06 < catphish> i actually ordered and assembled a board where i'd accidentally sent a track sideways right across a bus, shorted it, totally useless 2021-09-28T01:30:22 < catphish> in fact an autorouter did and i was too dumb to even check it 2021-09-28T01:32:33 < zyp> have you heard about DRC? 2021-09-28T01:33:29 < mawk> democratic republic of corea? 2021-09-28T01:37:24 < catphish> i did now 2021-09-28T01:37:46 < catphish> it says my design is flawless, so it must be 2021-09-28T01:38:00 < zyp> very good 2021-09-28T01:38:10 < catphish> though this current design probably has too much power flowing through single 0.2mm vias 2021-09-28T01:47:04 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@2604:3d08:937e:d600::84c7] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2.1] 2021-09-28T02:31:53 -!- Helmholtz [~leibnizma@2001:470:69fc:105::3124] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-09-28T02:42:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T03:05:12 -!- Helmholtz [~leibnizma@2001:470:69fc:105::3124] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T03:41:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T03:48:21 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-28T04:03:22 < fenugrec> wow haha USR still makes 56k modems with probably the same injection mold since the 90s, www.usr.com/usr-root/products/56k-dialup-modem/usr5686g/ 2021-09-28T04:07:15 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-28T04:35:30 < englishman> beautiful 2021-09-28T04:35:48 < englishman> i took apart a competitor's product from ~2000 today that they are still selling 2021-09-28T04:35:56 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-28T04:36:38 < englishman> analogue board is entirely through-hole and very beautiful. mcu is a PLCC freescale-marked 68k. socketed PLCC flash/eeprom as well 2021-09-28T04:36:52 < englishman> also power/display board is entirely through-hole 2021-09-28T04:37:18 < englishman> but there are many of the same design cues present in their current imx6/assdroid product 2021-09-28T04:37:36 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T04:46:58 < englishman> that usr modem even has win10 drivers! 2021-09-28T04:47:57 < englishman> conformity updated this year! https://support.usr.com/support/5686g/5686g-files/CE_USR5686G.pdf 2021-09-28T05:07:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-28T05:08:13 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T05:51:59 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn17.178-40-83.t-com.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-28T05:53:40 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T06:07:23 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2021-09-28T06:12:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-28T06:23:00 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T08:00:56 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T08:47:13 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-28T08:56:54 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-28T09:59:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-28T10:04:30 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T10:13:50 < mawk> >Capable of receiving at up to 56 Kbps and sending at up to 48 Kbps (or 31.2 Kbps with V.90 server). Due to FCC regulations, receiving speeds are limited to 53 Kbps. 2021-09-28T10:18:20 < jpa-> upgrading your internet connection? 2021-09-28T10:18:53 < jpa-> https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/06/circuits/qa/11ask.html 2021-09-28T10:55:39 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T11:13:41 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T11:46:43 -!- Luminax [~Luminax@118.100.90.121] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T11:57:46 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 2021-09-28T12:02:41 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T12:23:14 < karlp> englishman: yeah, I've taken apart a variety of power meters, and you normally go, huh, wat? and then, "oh, I bet this is the same as the one from 15 years ago.... with minor ugprades here and there" 2021-09-28T12:23:50 < karlp> and I mean, we've got one ourselves that was two boards, and both have been upgraded separately, but retaining some of the original design decisions, because it was a smaller lower risk change at the time. 2021-09-28T12:24:09 < karlp> but right now, I've been like, "why didnt' we redo that from scrath like we wanted, it would have been better/faster/cheaper" 2021-09-28T12:28:15 < zyp> because a series of small steps is easier than one big leap 2021-09-28T12:28:27 < zyp> and easier to justify 2021-09-28T12:28:39 < karlp> oh totally, I said to do it that way :) 2021-09-28T12:28:47 < karlp> hindsight and all that. 2021-09-28T12:31:36 < ventyl> until pace of small steps is not enough and you have to overhaul everything. usually at the least suitable time 2021-09-28T12:38:00 -!- dobson [~dobson@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-28T12:38:50 -!- dobson [~dobson@static.38.6.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T12:56:46 -!- wwilly [~wwilly@cpc92794-cmbg19-2-0-cust589.5-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-28T13:53:51 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-28T14:15:32 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@178.127.190.165] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-28T14:17:33 -!- Spirit532 [~Spirit532@37.45.242.142] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T14:27:51 < karlp> so, if you configure the oversampler, it just handles that internally, no sample rates are adjusted or anything, you just get new samples every N* configured sampling time, where N is y9ur oversampling ratio 2021-09-28T14:27:55 < karlp> so far, so good. 2021-09-28T14:28:33 < karlp> but ifyou're triggering the adc at a certain rate, and your oversampling+channel sampling time results in it being longer than the trigger time, you get.... nothing. 2021-09-28T14:28:46 < karlp> no overrun, no error flags, just... not the data rate you expect. 2021-09-28T14:33:22 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T14:49:43 -!- gnom [~alex@178.150.7.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-28T15:00:17 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T15:50:30 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-09-28T15:52:48 < Ecco> zyp: Thanks for pointing stm32g072-disco :) 2021-09-28T15:53:14 < Ecco> I assume it's F072 though? 2021-09-28T15:54:35 < Ecco> wait no 2021-09-28T15:54:51 < Ecco> I can't find the G072 version though 2021-09-28T15:56:31 < Ecco> Found stm32g071b-disco 2021-09-28T15:58:56 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T17:02:18 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T17:02:33 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-28T17:25:03 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I'm suffering from an I2C busy problem, but I'm not really sure. The problem arise randomly after a few hours. 2021-09-28T18:42:59 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-28T18:44:05 < catphish> those are the worst to debug :( 2021-09-28T18:44:40 < dodo_> I have tried to reset all I2C slaves devices by power cycling them one by one, but that doesn't help. If I do a Wire.begin() (a Wire.end() is executed before, but don't know if it is really needed) it fixes the problem, and it continues for another few hours. 2021-09-28T18:45:07 < dodo_> catphish: those kind of problems related to i2c? or those microcontrollers? 2021-09-28T18:45:13 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T18:45:47 < catphish> i just mean problems that occur randomly after several hours 2021-09-28T18:47:04 < srk> isn 2021-09-28T18:47:30 < srk> isn't that a similar bug to F1 series where you need to disable i2c and wiggle pins to recover? 2021-09-28T18:49:51 < dodo_> its probably similar... At first I implemented that stuff to bitbang the SCL line, which also worked. 2021-09-28T18:51:19 < dodo_> srk: do you know if there was a way to fix (to avoid the problem), or it was just a workaround after the problem was detected? 2021-09-28T18:52:13 < srk> dodo_: just a workaround, to avoid it you need to use a more recent MCU 2021-09-28T18:52:45 < srk> but quite common workaround included in some drivers, not sure about stm32duino tho 2021-09-28T18:53:11 < Ecco> I'm looking for a reference schematics to update a Micro-B device to USB Type-C 2021-09-28T18:53:26 < Ecco> On ST's website, they always talk about Power Delivery, and I'm pretty sure I don't need it 2021-09-28T18:53:36 < Ecco> (the device will sink less than 500mA) 2021-09-28T18:56:26 < srk> dodo_: check the L1 errata if it's the same thingie 2021-09-28T18:59:18 < srk> hmm. doesn't seem to be the case 2021-09-28T19:25:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T19:25:35 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-28T19:35:36 < englishman> Ecco: not much to do. put a 5.1k resistor on each of the CC lines and tie the two DP and two DN together. done 2021-09-28T19:35:48 < englishman> you can read the FREE usb-c spec if you want but that's pretty much it 2021-09-28T19:35:59 < englishman> PD is a completely different spec that builds on top of usb-c 2021-09-28T19:40:21 -!- dodo_ [~dodo@pc-66-242-73-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-28T19:41:06 < bitmask> haha I wanted to try making my own laser galvo but the magnet I got is huge, its the only tube magnet thats diametric that I could find, at least on ebay. 2021-09-28T19:41:08 < qyx> Ecco: if you find it I am interested too 2021-09-28T19:41:15 -!- dodo_ [~dodo@pc-66-242-73-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T19:41:20 < bitmask> its 1/2" outer diameter and 1" long 2021-09-28T19:41:40 < bitmask> its strong as FUCK though 2021-09-28T19:41:47 < bitmask> n48 supposedly and i believe it 2021-09-28T19:41:52 < qyx> englishman: last time zyp wrote something about that not being enougn 2021-09-28T19:42:04 < qyx> because you may still get 100 mA legacy 2021-09-28T19:42:16 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-28T19:42:35 < qyx> 5 V at 500 mA would be ok for me too 2021-09-28T19:48:38 < englishman> qyx: I’d like to read that. I don’t think that switching to usbC will be any worse if you decide to connect your thing to 30 year old ancient shit. 2021-09-28T20:05:10 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T20:29:31 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T20:31:22 < bitmask> fuck what am i doing 2021-09-28T20:33:03 < kakium69> indeed 2021-09-28T20:33:13 < bitmask> how is it 1:30pm already 2021-09-28T20:33:44 < kakium69> time transport 2021-09-28T20:34:08 < bitmask> should I read or do some coding 2021-09-28T20:34:29 < kakium69> what was your plan for the day? 2021-09-28T20:36:42 < bitmask> nothing crazy, running some errands, designing/printing a reading lamp, reading c++ book, reading vulkan spec/tuts, coding... 2021-09-28T20:36:52 < kakium69> personally I read only the photos in books 2021-09-28T20:36:57 < bitmask> heh 2021-09-28T20:37:05 < bitmask> im halfway through book 1 of 5 that I ordered 2021-09-28T20:37:15 < kakium69> anything useful? 2021-09-28T20:37:20 < bitmask> definitely 2021-09-28T20:37:54 < bitmask> i only ever read beginner/basic c++ language books. so it shows everything you can do, but not what you should do 2021-09-28T20:38:13 < bitmask> finally reading more advanced books that tell you what you should do and i regret not doing it decades ago 2021-09-28T20:39:28 < bitmask> plus my dumb ass never took the time to learn modern c++ stuffs so a couple of the books are on modern shizz 2021-09-28T20:42:01 < Steffanx> Like c++20 modern? 2021-09-28T20:42:29 < bitmask> unfortunately no, but after i read these i'll look for 20/23 stuff even 2021-09-28T20:43:06 < bitmask> i think one book goes into '17 2021-09-28T20:49:27 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-28T21:18:06 < Ecco> ST keeps on pushing USB-PD 2021-09-28T21:18:17 < Ecco> But I just want to do a dumb USB2 sink 2021-09-28T21:18:28 < Ecco> It's annoying that they wouldn't have an AN that covers this very basic use case 2021-09-28T21:19:18 < kakium69> wym? 2021-09-28T21:21:01 < Ecco> I mean that all of their AN are about USB-PowerDelivery. Which, AFAIK, is not required if you just want to do USB2+5V sink over a TypeC connector 2021-09-28T21:25:24 < Ecco> qyx: STM32L562E-DK 2021-09-28T21:25:40 < Ecco> Sheet 9 of the schematics 2021-09-28T21:26:16 < Ecco> https://i.imgur.com/Ev51J7l.png 2021-09-28T21:26:28 < Ecco> Here's what ST has to say about device-only USB-C 2021-09-28T21:26:47 < Ecco> Question: why would you want to monitor the CC pins with the STM32 in that scenario? 2021-09-28T21:28:25 < qyx> the whole TCCP01 is probbaly redundant 2021-09-28T21:28:36 < upgrdman> anyone know of something like a relay driver, for 24vdc, but push-pull, not just open-collector? 2021-09-28T21:29:05 < qyx> upgrdman: search for motor drivers, they are push pull 2021-09-28T21:29:09 < qyx> for inductive loads 2021-09-28T21:29:27 < qyx> Ecco: thats what zyp said, to check how much current you are allowed to sink 2021-09-28T21:29:47 < kakium69> Ecco: is that chip like TVS plus some simple logics? 2021-09-28T21:30:05 < kakium69> some voltage comparator for vbus 2021-09-28T21:31:55 < Ecco> kakium69: well, maybe :) 2021-09-28T21:32:26 < Ecco> It also protects CC pins against ESD 2021-09-28T21:32:37 < kakium69> people here use usb-c all the time 2021-09-28T21:32:37 < Ecco> qyx: I missed this comment 2021-09-28T21:32:52 < kakium69> and I don't see them using that chip 2021-09-28T21:32:52 < Ecco> I assume you can always sink 500mA, right? 2021-09-28T21:33:03 < kakium69> after enumeration 2021-09-28T21:33:12 < kakium69> but basically yes 2021-09-28T21:33:14 < Ecco> Right 2021-09-28T21:33:40 < kakium69> if you go by the book it's 100mA until enumeration 2021-09-28T21:33:44 < kakium69> then 500mA 2021-09-28T21:33:49 < Ecco> Well, here's what I assume you need: ESD on all pins, TVS on Vbus, and then a couple resistors for CC1/2 2021-09-28T21:34:08 < Ecco> kakium69: Indeed :) I have yet to see a host that will not let you sink 500mA right off the bat though :) 2021-09-28T21:34:21 < Ecco> How would USB fans work otherwise? :-D 2021-09-28T21:35:05 < kakium69> or usb coffee cup heaters 2021-09-28T21:36:57 < kakium69> I have never done usb-c 2021-09-28T21:37:12 < kakium69> but are CC pins even required to be connected to anything? 2021-09-28T21:38:04 < kakium69> or to mcu 2021-09-28T21:40:28 < Ecco> Well, you need to connect them to gnd through a resistor if you want to be a device 2021-09-28T21:40:53 < kakium69> then you do that 2021-09-28T21:41:19 < kakium69> just connect the other pins like it was some usb2.0 connector 2021-09-28T21:42:33 < kakium69> what was the problem I forgot 2021-09-28T21:43:23 < englishman> did you read my 3 lines of chat ecco ? 2021-09-28T21:43:53 < englishman> why are you reading ST docs and not USB-C docs ? 2021-09-28T21:51:16 < Ecco> I did :) I'm also reading the USB-C docs 2021-09-28T21:51:23 < Ecco> but usually they don't cover stuff like ESD 2021-09-28T21:51:46 < englishman> i just put the classic USBLC6 2021-09-28T21:51:57 < englishman> no need to protect CC pins, there's nothing there except a resistor 2021-09-28T21:52:13 < englishman> you can worry about 20v OVP if you want, and short-to-vbus if you want but meh 2021-09-28T21:53:09 < kakium69> leave vbus unconnected from USBLC6? 2021-09-28T21:53:19 < qyx> ok, usb spec says if you are usb 2.0 only and you detect vbus, you enter SNK attached state 2021-09-28T21:53:30 < qyx> in which you can draw no more than 500 mA 2021-09-28T21:53:40 < Ecco> works for me :) 2021-09-28T21:53:56 < Ecco> kakium69: Apparently Vbus should not be connected to USBLC6 2021-09-28T21:53:58 < qyx> so yes, if you are sink only and connected to usb-c source, two resistors are enough if < 500 mA 2021-09-28T21:54:00 < Ecco> I'm not sure I remember why 2021-09-28T21:55:51 < englishman> kaks no, vbus to usblc6 2021-09-28T21:57:36 < qyx> continuing, usb-c sink should 1. follow usb2/usb3.2 specs to negotiate power, if not 2. try usb-pd, if not 3. try usb BC 1.2, if not 4. draw up to 500 mA 2021-09-28T21:57:45 < kakium69> so initially it's always guaranteed to have 5v? 2021-09-28T21:58:02 < qyx> so it seems to be safe to fallback to 500 mA and ignore everything else 2021-09-28T21:58:28 < englishman> yes 2021-09-28T21:58:40 < englishman> kaks if the resistors are present yes 2021-09-28T21:58:43 < qyx> they also say minimum for usb2.0 is 500 mA 2021-09-28T21:58:47 < englishman> yes 2021-09-28T21:59:03 < qyx> so fuckup happens only if you connect usb A-C cable to a usb1.1 port 2021-09-28T21:59:07 < qyx> allowing 100 mA max 2021-09-28T21:59:16 < englishman> i think its not even that. more like usb 1.0 2021-09-28T21:59:18 < qyx> and yo want more 2021-09-28T22:00:16 < englishman> but thats yakshaving now 2021-09-28T22:00:21 < englishman> 500mA = yes 2021-09-28T22:06:15 < qyx> USB4 devices shall draw only up to 250 mA on V BUS when the Source advertises 2021-09-28T22:06:15 < qyx> Default USB power 2021-09-28T22:06:23 < qyx> uhm, there is a regression in usb4? 2021-09-28T22:07:34 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T22:07:36 < qyx> I don't get it, usb4 source must provide at least 1.5 A 2021-09-28T22:07:50 < qyx> but it can advertise default, 1.5 A or 3.0 A 2021-09-28T22:08:03 < qyx> with default, only 250 mA is allowed to sink 2021-09-28T22:08:08 < qyx> you have to use usb-pd 2021-09-28T22:08:19 < qyx> but but! you don't have to, they say right in the next statement 2021-09-28T22:08:30 < qyx> you can use CC negotiation and sink 1.5 A or 3.0 A 2021-09-28T22:08:33 < qyx> wtf am I reading 2021-09-28T22:10:49 < englishman> haha 2021-09-28T22:11:01 < englishman> cc "negotiation" being measuring voltages right 2021-09-28T22:11:28 < qyx> yes 2021-09-28T22:13:13 < englishman> does the usb spec even have anything about power? 2021-09-28T22:13:16 < englishman> isnt it in the connector spec 2021-09-28T22:13:48 < englishman> 2.1.3 USB4 Power 2021-09-28T22:13:49 < englishman> Power for USB4 operation is established and managed as defined in the USB Type-C Specification and the USB PD Specification. Unlike USB 2.0 and USB 3.2, USB4 does not define its own VBUS-based power model. 2021-09-28T22:13:57 < kakium69> just follow the mile long flow chart to get your power negotiated 2021-09-28T22:14:02 < qyx> I am reading usb-c connector/cable specs 2021-09-28T22:14:08 < qyx> Universal Serial Bus 2021-09-28T22:14:08 < qyx> Type-C Cable and Connector 2021-09-28T22:14:09 < qyx> Specification 2021-09-28T22:14:54 < qyx> so it looks like you can even implement usb-c source with resistors only 2021-09-28T22:15:27 < englishman> yes 2021-09-28T22:17:30 < englishman> ha so if your device is usb4 yeah you are limited to 250mA without PD 2021-09-28T22:17:57 < upgrdman> anyone know why the datasheet shows that the load must be connected to "VM" when it looks like a bunch of half-bridges, so it should be able to drive the OUT pins to VM anyway? https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/drv8955.pdf?ts=1632813505759&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Fproduct%252FDRV8955 2021-09-28T22:18:22 < englishman> but remember qyx that PD and an active cable is already required for USB3 over C 2021-09-28T22:19:01 < englishman> not a bad spec imo 2021-09-28T22:19:26 < qyx> USB4 devices may draw higher levels of power prior to a USB PD power 2021-09-28T22:19:26 < qyx> contract being made if the Source advertises USB Type-C Current at either 2021-09-28T22:19:27 < qyx> 1.5 A or 3.0 A. 2021-09-28T22:19:30 < qyx> and whats that 2021-09-28T22:19:45 < englishman> that way when you plug a usb4 device into an old-usb upstream usbc, shit will be able to error out 2021-09-28T22:19:54 < qyx> so if the source advertises legacy, you can draw only 250 mA 2021-09-28T22:20:02 < englishman> right, before PD negot 2021-09-28T22:20:18 < qyx> but if it advertises 1.5 A and you dtect it, you may draw it 2021-09-28T22:20:21 < englishman> yes 2021-09-28T22:20:25 < qyx> even without pd 2021-09-28T22:20:31 < qyx> k then, makes sense 2021-09-28T22:20:31 < qyx> partial 2021-09-28T22:20:33 < englishman> yes, though usb3+ requires PD 2021-09-28T22:21:20 < englishman> it's to ensure devices still work or can at least display errors when plugged into a non-usb4 port 2021-09-28T22:21:23 < kakium69> upgrdman: do higher and lower fets have the same parameters? 2021-09-28T22:22:16 < qyx> so Ecco ^ 2021-09-28T22:24:12 < kakium69> upgrdman: does higher side have current sense? 2021-09-28T22:24:24 < kakium69> or is it just ground side 2021-09-28T22:24:44 < upgrdman> not sure 2021-09-28T22:24:45 < kakium69> I think that's why 2021-09-28T22:24:54 < kakium69> it has low side current sense 2021-09-28T22:26:20 < upgrdman> if i dont care about current sense, i shouldnt need to connect my load to VM? 2021-09-28T22:26:41 < upgrdman> (i can connect my load between that driver ic and gnd?) 2021-09-28T22:27:18 < upgrdman> i really just need a bunch of half-bridges good for 24VDC and hopefully robust with inductive loads 2021-09-28T22:30:31 < kakium69> OCP section says every fet has current sense 2021-09-28T22:30:57 < kakium69> there is equal number of VM's and PGND's 2021-09-28T22:31:20 < kakium69> I assume having low side switching in just the way stuff is done in automotive world 2021-09-28T22:31:39 < kakium69> so they illustrate it so in the example circuit 2021-09-28T22:32:13 < kakium69> you can have like individual fuses etc. 2021-09-28T22:32:34 < kakium69> idk 2021-09-28T22:36:26 < kakium69> usually easier to have big ground wire to vehicle chassis from your brain box 2021-09-28T22:36:58 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-28T22:37:15 < kakium69> ventyl: why automotive world uses low-side switching of the loads? 2021-09-28T22:37:38 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, still want to read the article :p? 2021-09-28T22:38:16 < ventyl> kakium69: I guess it is easier and historically, loads were dumb, so it didn't matter much 2021-09-28T22:38:16 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: I guess yes 2021-09-28T22:38:38 < ventyl> you had high side connected to some kind of master-off and switched low side via electronics 2021-09-28T22:38:53 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-28T22:39:07 < kakium69> high side connects to power regions 2021-09-28T22:39:31 < ventyl> as long as your load is not sensitive to ground offset, low-side switching doesn't matter 2021-09-28T22:39:50 < kakium69> motors, solenoids whatnot 2021-09-28T22:40:02 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, im not sure if you use dcc? 2021-09-28T22:40:16 < ventyl> high-side switching with mosfets in automotive would probably be plain PITA 2021-09-28T22:40:33 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: via IPv6 it can work, not sure, most probably firewalled. 2021-09-28T22:40:38 < mouseghost> ah 2021-09-28T22:41:09 < ventyl> kakium69: but as EC motors are coming into majority, even there the situation will change 2021-09-28T22:41:22 < kakium69> EC? 2021-09-28T22:41:27 < ventyl> brushless 2021-09-28T22:41:43 < kakium69> electronic control 2021-09-28T22:42:06 < dodo_> Can I return from a timer interrupt service routine to different point in the code? Let's say that I want to monitor the time it takes to execute a function in my code using a timer. if it is longer than a certain period of time the timer will trigger, and from the interrupt service routine I want to jump (goto?) to the beginning of main() 2021-09-28T22:42:30 < ventyl> not without nasty side-effects 2021-09-28T22:43:09 < ventyl> you could do that by issuing software reset, but that would cause loss of all data 2021-09-28T22:44:26 < kakium69> sounds like a job for watchdog 2021-09-28T22:44:30 < ventyl> you could implement very tiny thread switcher (essentially about 4 functions) and in case that function takes too long to finish, suspend it's thread and resume another (monitor of some kind) 2021-09-28T22:45:00 < ventyl> depends on what is your desired effect, if you simply want to reset runout SW, then use watchdog, it is implemented in HW 2021-09-28T22:45:24 < kakium69> why to return to begin of main()? 2021-09-28T22:47:08 < dodo_> the problem is with the I2C getting locked. if the function take too much time it is probably a lock. I was thinking of having the routine to unlock the i2c there 2021-09-28T22:47:39 < dodo_> I learned to just set flags in the ISR. is there any limit to what is being run there? can i have the unlocking routine there in the ISR? 2021-09-28T22:47:40 < ventyl> well, then perform I2C operations in non-blocking fashion 2021-09-28T22:48:01 < kakium69> * 2021-09-28T22:48:18 < kakium69> what ventyl said 2021-09-28T22:48:31 < ventyl> every HAL will have some way to query I2C if data is available for reading and/or writing will block or not 2021-09-28T22:49:07 < ventyl> you can then check some asynchronous timer for how long have you been waiting for I2C to become ready and if it takes too long to do so, you can reseti t 2021-09-28T22:49:36 < ventyl> but, I'd expect, that this would only mask the symptom of bug elsewhere in the code. the true root cause of why i2c runs into the weeds. 2021-09-28T22:51:37 < qyx> dodo_: check some existing code with a proper workaround 2021-09-28T22:56:57 < karlp> dongs-unstick-i2c is in zypsnips 2021-09-28T22:57:40 < kakium69> zypsnips in topic 2021-09-28T22:58:01 < dodo_> I'm using stm32duino in a STM32L152RE with a third-party library to drive OneWire devices. I don't feel comfortable changing the HAL :cry: 2021-09-28T22:58:12 < karlp> then you get to keep having bugs dude. 2021-09-28T22:58:21 < karlp> were you hoping someone was goign to wave a magic wand from afar? 2021-09-28T22:58:38 < dodo_> no, ofcourse not 2021-09-28T23:01:40 < kakium69> karlp: what condition causes this sticking thing? 2021-09-28T23:02:07 < ventyl> dodo_: do something good for yourself and throw *duino into trashcan 2021-09-28T23:15:25 < mouseghost> ^ 2021-09-28T23:16:46 < mouseghost> kakium69, hitachi magicwand 2021-09-28T23:29:29 < bitmask> i havent shaved my ball (yes ball) in a long time so decided why not and went for it, now I remember why I stopped... 2021-09-28T23:30:32 < sauce> you got the itch 2021-09-28T23:30:49 < bitmask> short hairs are sharp and pokey 2021-09-28T23:31:22 < bitmask> nonstop discomfort 2021-09-28T23:31:25 < kakium69> you got one ball removed? 2021-09-28T23:31:36 < mouseghost> bitmask, weird, i dont get such things on balls 2021-09-28T23:31:36 < bitmask> yea cancer 2021-09-28T23:31:44 < mouseghost> what did you shave it with? 2021-09-28T23:31:51 < mouseghost> electric shaver or a razor? 2021-09-28T23:32:01 < bitmask> electric, i needed the guard 2021-09-28T23:32:09 < mouseghost> guard? 2021-09-28T23:32:34 < bitmask> the plastic piece that keeps the sharp bits a certain distance from your sensitive bits 2021-09-28T23:33:04 < bitmask> i mean a razor is easier but i didnt want it THAT short 2021-09-28T23:33:05 < ventyl> he'd like to retain the remaining ball for some time 2021-09-28T23:33:21 < bitmask> then you get razor bumps and all that nasty shit 2021-09-28T23:33:34 < bitmask> or at least i do 2021-09-28T23:33:43 < mouseghost> same 2021-09-28T23:33:48 < mouseghost> though it helps if i disinfect it 2021-09-28T23:34:00 < Steffanx> Since we're at it. What size dildo you prefer bitmask? 2021-09-28T23:34:10 < ventyl> /o 2021-09-28T23:34:12 < mouseghost> ive been putting some spirit on my face as an after-shave. though maybe it doesnt work 2021-09-28T23:34:36 < mouseghost> ventyl, whats that emote 2021-09-28T23:34:40 < bitmask> a nice thick 7" is good for me 2021-09-28T23:34:45 < bitmask> hits the right spots 2021-09-28T23:34:53 < mouseghost> Steffanx, you ask for the silicone... uh, you know 2021-09-28T23:34:58 < mouseghost> firmness 2021-09-28T23:35:02 < mouseghost> thats the word 2021-09-28T23:35:23 < bitmask> but really, I do have a whatchamacallit 2021-09-28T23:35:27 < bitmask> let me find it 2021-09-28T23:36:52 < ventyl> mouseghost: 2/3 of /o 2021-09-28T23:36:56 < ventyl> mouseghost: 2/3 of /o\ 2021-09-28T23:36:58 < mouseghost> hmm 2021-09-28T23:37:06 < mouseghost> ventyl, is that an anus? 2021-09-28T23:37:14 < ventyl> now I got used to ANSI, so I am fucking up on ISO keyboard 2021-09-28T23:37:31 < ventyl> mouseghost: that's a double palmface guy 2021-09-28T23:37:52 < mouseghost> oh! 2021-09-28T23:38:07 < mouseghost> silly me 2021-09-28T23:38:08 < bitmask> i dont think they make the one i have anymore but these dudes are great when you're having sex 2021-09-28T23:38:08 < bitmask> https://www.aneros.com/best-sellers/ 2021-09-28T23:39:41 < Steffanx> lol 2021-09-28T23:39:42 < mouseghost> bitmask, plug friend's butt and yours as well? do i get that correctly in the setup? 2021-09-28T23:41:00 < bitmask> you plug yourself then when you are having sex the thrusting motion you're doing causes it to rub your prostate, no batteries needed 2021-09-28T23:41:25 < mouseghost> sounds awesome 2021-09-28T23:41:48 < bitmask> i recommend it, though i havent used it in a while, i always forget about it 2021-09-28T23:45:47 < bitmask> well thats my tip of the day, back to reading! :) 2021-09-28T23:45:53 < mouseghost> reading what? bitmask 2021-09-28T23:46:03 < mouseghost> alas, im far from having sex, so.. 2021-09-28T23:46:27 < bitmask> either gonna read more of c++ coding standards by sutter or the vulkan api spec 2021-09-28T23:47:10 < mouseghost> hm 2021-09-28T23:47:19 < mouseghost> im going to continue reading doll's house by ibsen 2021-09-28T23:47:24 < mouseghost> because i need it for english lessons 2021-09-28T23:48:04 < bitmask> i never read real books hah, i always feel like if im gonna read i might as well learn something 2021-09-28T23:48:35 < bitmask> i dont enjoy reading enough to do it for fun 2021-09-28T23:49:14 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: by the way, do you read fiction books? 2021-09-28T23:50:36 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, i do sometimes 2021-09-28T23:50:54 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: sci fi or traditional literature? 2021-09-28T23:51:00 < mouseghost> but to be honest, ive come to a conclusion that i prefer books that pose an artistic value or are non-fiction 2021-09-28T23:51:01 < mouseghost> both 2021-09-28T23:51:16 < mouseghost> bitmask, yeah i rarely read... 2021-09-28T23:51:51 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, the problem with scifi i have, is that its sometimes devoid of any value imo. its just a story and thats all -- i dont like such things 2021-09-28T23:52:44 < sauce> you just gotta find the stuff that embeds good social or philosophical commentary 2021-09-28T23:52:53 < mouseghost> i v much prefer, although its tiring and shit, when theres some, ugh, depth to the book 2021-09-28T23:53:02 < mouseghost> sauce, ye. i mean, theres plenty of books like tha 2021-09-28T23:53:05 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: you echo my thoughts 2021-09-28T23:53:08 < mouseghost> all the classics 2021-09-28T23:53:32 < mouseghost> :) 2021-09-28T23:54:26 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: I like Ray Bradbury though even he's often considered a sci-fi author. 2021-09-28T23:54:54 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: and I do not like Dostoevsky somehow :) 2021-09-28T23:55:16 < mouseghost> i only read crime and punishment of his hm 2021-09-28T23:55:22 < mouseghost> but got a bit into karamazov 2021-09-28T23:55:38 < mouseghost> ah f451 is a classic as well i guess 2021-09-28T23:55:55 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: yes, but he wrote much more than that 2021-09-28T23:56:21 < mouseghost> are those books as interesting, PaulFertser ? 2021-09-28T23:56:45 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: I think I liked everything I read from him 2021-09-28T23:56:58 < mouseghost> oh 2021-09-28T23:59:36 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: I wonder if you like Milorad Pavic, I highly recommend reading at least something by him unless you're allergic to magic realism or similar. And Paulo Coelho is not a good example of anything (in my book), so do not judge by that. --- Day changed Wed Sep 29 2021 2021-09-29T00:00:09 < mouseghost> oh i love magical realism, if thats the same thing 2021-09-29T00:00:23 < mouseghost> ive read kafka on the shore and it was awesome in terms of that magic thing 2021-09-29T00:00:29 < mouseghost> and the cats were there too 2021-09-29T00:00:58 < mouseghost> PaulFertser, any particular title youd like to recommend of his? 2021-09-29T00:06:40 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: "The Inner Side of the Wind, or A Novel of Hero and Leander" and if you get it in paper it's comfortable to read as you read it from either side alternating as you please. 2021-09-29T00:06:55 < mouseghost> either side...? hmmm 2021-09-29T00:07:24 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: it's like two books in one, you rotate it and read from the back :) 2021-09-29T00:07:33 < mouseghost> owo 2021-09-29T00:07:36 < mouseghost> sounds... fun 2021-09-29T00:07:43 < mouseghost> ill check it out then 2021-09-29T00:07:48 < mouseghost> and for now, see you, good night 2021-09-29T00:08:00 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: see you, sleep well 2021-09-29T00:08:09 < mouseghost> goodnight 2021-09-29T00:08:31 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-29T00:08:33 < mouseghost> and goodnight to you as well, PaulFertser 2021-09-29T00:09:24 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-29T00:15:14 -!- dima [~dima@kappa.ac93.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T00:17:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-29T00:35:55 < catphish> zyp: i bought a VX220 :) apparently i should be using a tesla motor because it has more torque and an integrated diff for mid engine setup 2021-09-29T01:10:38 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-29T01:21:44 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-29T02:22:52 -!- dodo_ [~dodo@pc-66-242-73-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-29T02:37:03 -!- Mangy_Dog [~Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [] 2021-09-29T02:54:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-29T03:04:43 -!- catphish [~charlie@user/catphish] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-29T03:05:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-29T04:17:01 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2021-09-29T04:17:25 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@static.88-198-34-209.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T04:32:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T04:36:41 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2021-09-29T04:36:42 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T04:38:25 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-29T05:24:40 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T08:12:19 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T08:54:16 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Especially this this sync hronized guy(hint hint) happens to have copies laying around 2021-09-29T10:15:20 < Steffanx> -this 2021-09-29T10:22:37 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@static.88-198-34-209.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2021-09-29T11:22:18 -!- icee [~icee@2001:470:69fc:105::2b16] has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] 2021-09-29T11:22:33 -!- Helmholtz [~leibnizma@2001:470:69fc:105::3124] has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] 2021-09-29T11:26:22 -!- icee [~icee@2001:470:69fc:105::2b16] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T11:46:57 -!- Helmholtz [~leibnizma@2001:470:69fc:105::3124] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T12:33:22 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2021-09-29T12:35:17 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T13:04:43 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@static.88-198-34-209.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T13:17:22 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.hampstead.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2021-09-29T13:27:05 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T13:27:41 < jadew> I just saw an interesting interview on the energy crisis, and some very good points were made, that I tend to believe. 2021-09-29T13:28:12 < qyx> in GB? 2021-09-29T13:28:31 < jadew> Their theory is that the reason we're heading towards a global energy crisis is because we've overinvested in green stuff. 2021-09-29T13:28:55 < jadew> So the flow of capital towards dirty energy, has basically stopped. 2021-09-29T13:29:59 < jadew> qyx, globally, but it was in relation to the EU crisis. 2021-09-29T13:30:43 < drzacek> "overinvestment in green"..."closing nuclear pplants"... 2021-09-29T13:30:49 < drzacek> yeah we played ourselves just right 2021-09-29T13:30:55 < jadew> yep 2021-09-29T13:31:28 < qyx> I just found this https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt6wq56p 2021-09-29T13:31:30 < qyx> from 2014 2021-09-29T13:31:46 < jadew> And they're saying the problem is that prices are too low, so "dirty" energy has very low margin, which is why people won't invest in it anytime soon. 2021-09-29T13:32:10 < jadew> So the solution is to increase prices a lot, so they compete with other sectors and high growth companies. 2021-09-29T13:32:45 < drzacek> killing billions in the process 2021-09-29T13:32:48 < drzacek> sounds like a plan 2021-09-29T13:33:08 < jadew> drzacek, you mean by increasing prices? 2021-09-29T13:33:12 < drzacek> yes 2021-09-29T13:33:34 < jadew> well, if they don't increase prices, then the economy will have to stagnate and we'll get a huge depression 2021-09-29T13:33:51 < drzacek> eastern europe already lives in poverty, increase the power price significantly, and they gonna start eating each other 2021-09-29T13:33:55 < jadew> someone will have to put those numbers against each other 2021-09-29T13:34:02 < drzacek> maybe they'll start burning politicians for heat? 2021-09-29T13:34:17 < qyx> sounds reasonable 2021-09-29T13:34:19 < qyx> no big loss 2021-09-29T13:34:44 < qyx> we are expecting 15% electricity price increase next year in .sk 2021-09-29T13:35:11 < jadew> Sounds like a good time to invest in electricity companies, eh? 2021-09-29T13:36:32 < jadew> I think China is going to solve the problem first, they're already struggling, because their power usage has grown with the economy. 2021-09-29T13:36:55 < jadew> It basically reached a point where they have to allocate it strategically. 2021-09-29T13:39:16 < jadew> Not sure why the media is bashing china so much lately... 2021-09-29T13:39:44 < jadew> They seem to make a fuss about everything and spread a lot of FUD. 2021-09-29T13:41:46 < jadew> I think they're preparing to blame them for whatever happens next. 2021-09-29T13:42:55 < jadew> I'm guessing a new market crash and depression. 2021-09-29T13:53:19 < englishman> I sure do appreciate this area’s over investment in green energy 2021-09-29T13:53:40 < englishman> imagine powering a country with water running down a hill 2021-09-29T13:53:50 < englishman> how is anyone going to profit off of that? 2021-09-29T13:57:44 < jadew> That only works in small areas I think, or in not very industrialized ones. 2021-09-29T14:05:35 < englishman> I guess that’s some kind of diminutive insult? 2021-09-29T14:06:28 < jadew> Heh, no, I mean the generation capacity must be limited. 2021-09-29T14:09:58 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-29T14:10:05 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-29T14:10:57 < englishman> are there any forms of unlimited generation? 2021-09-29T14:11:20 < englishman> I guess nuclear 2021-09-29T14:16:14 < jadew> Yeah, nuclear works well, but it's not about being unlimited, but about ability to scale. 2021-09-29T14:17:49 < jadew> You could make nuclear plants or coal plants on demand. 2021-09-29T14:18:12 < mouseghost> tell that to people here smh 2021-09-29T14:24:43 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-29T14:33:25 < srk> fusion :) 2021-09-29T14:33:43 < srk> jadew: trouble is it takes long and costs a lot 2021-09-29T14:46:05 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T15:02:03 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T15:10:28 < veverak> Hi folks, friend of mine has weird problem with stm32 that is puzzling, he is using `HAL_FLASH_Program(0x0,0x8010000,data)` to load data into memory (I inserted the real values propagated in the code). It fails and reports "bad memory alignment" error in the registers, any tips how to approach? 2021-09-29T15:10:36 < veverak> the addr is aligned 2021-09-29T15:11:01 < veverak> and in this instance the HAL is not really doing much to screw it 2021-09-29T15:12:08 < jpa-> when you say "in the registers", which register and which bit do you mean, on which STM32 model? 2021-09-29T15:12:25 < veverak> will ask him, it's stm32g431 2021-09-29T15:12:40 < jpa-> shouldn't the first argument be number of bytes to write or something? 2021-09-29T15:12:54 < jpa-> ah, it is FLASH_TYPEPROGRAM_BYTE 2021-09-29T15:14:21 < jpa-> also, i assume it is the 128 kB flash model because the address is at 64kB? 2021-09-29T15:14:37 < veverak> yup 2021-09-29T15:15:05 < veverak> FLASH->SR points to the error register, value is 0xa0 - 10100000 which should be generic & memory alignm. error 2021-09-29T15:15:32 < veverak> "Flash status register" 2021-09-29T15:17:58 < jpa-> i wonder if STM32G431 can program bytes 2021-09-29T15:18:15 < qyx> me too 2021-09-29T15:18:41 < jpa-> from the reference manual i get the impression that only FLASH_TYPEPROGRAM_DOUBLEWORD would be supported 2021-09-29T15:19:42 < qyx> it has ECC too, 8 bits per 64 bits 2021-09-29T15:19:57 < qyx> which would imply the smallest programmable chunk is a double word 2021-09-29T15:20:48 < qyx> The Flash memory is programmed 72 bits at a time (64 bits + 8 bits ECC). 2021-09-29T15:21:02 < qyx> yeah 3.3.7 of RM 0440 2021-09-29T15:21:13 < veverak> jpa-: yup, DOUBLEWORD is used 2021-09-29T15:23:19 < qyx> veverak: no 2021-09-29T15:23:21 < qyx> #define TYPEPROGRAM_BYTE ((uint32_t)0x00) /*!< Program byte (8-bit) at a specified address */ 2021-09-29T15:23:25 < qyx> as jpa- says 2021-09-29T15:23:58 < qyx> he probably wanted #define TYPEPROGRAM_DOUBLEWORD ((uint32_t)0x03) 2021-09-29T15:26:23 < veverak> wait 2021-09-29T15:27:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T15:27:18 < veverak> qyx: where did you find that def? 2021-09-29T15:27:27 < veverak> #define FLASH_TYPEPROGRAM_DOUBLEWORD 0x00U /*!< Program a double-word (64-bit) at a specified address.*/ 2021-09-29T15:27:37 < veverak> he is using this from stm32g4xx_hal_flash.h 2021-09-29T15:28:10 < qyx> interesting, I grabbed the first I found, assuming it is HAL, it should properly abstract something across families 2021-09-29T15:28:46 < qyx> #define FLASH_TYPEPROGRAM_DOUBLEWORD 0x00U /*!< Program a double-word (64-bit) at a specified address.*/ 2021-09-29T15:28:49 < qyx> fuck the hal 2021-09-29T15:28:53 < qyx> jpa-: where did you find it? 2021-09-29T15:29:41 < veverak> anyway, he stepped throu it with gdp and can confirm that the internal FLASH_Program_DoubleWord is called :) 2021-09-29T15:29:50 < veverak> s/gdp/gdb 2021-09-29T16:35:56 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-29T16:36:45 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T16:42:01 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T16:51:53 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-29T16:56:44 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@user/unmanbearpig] has quit [Quit: unmanbearpig] 2021-09-29T16:57:12 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T17:02:31 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T17:25:02 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T17:29:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-29T17:29:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T17:52:41 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T18:15:00 < Helmholtz> So what do people use for IoT server side API? RESTful? Is openAPI popular? 2021-09-29T18:15:12 < Helmholtz> (in embedded space) 2021-09-29T18:16:58 < qyx> I am using mosquitto presonally 2021-09-29T18:17:55 < Helmholtz> oh, wasn't aware of that 2021-09-29T18:18:23 < Helmholtz> but webdevs (openAPI) have much better tooling 2021-09-29T18:18:34 < mawk> a plain udp-to-http converter, and then a plain http endpoint that stores requests in a database 2021-09-29T18:18:43 < mawk> and answers right away with the first thing in the send queue 2021-09-29T18:24:35 < tct> anybody in here used ST HAL for 9-bit SPI mode recently? Data on shows up correctly on the logic analyzer in 8-bit mode but I fail to get expected results in 9-bit mode. 2021-09-29T18:25:33 < mawk> I tried, yes 2021-09-29T18:25:37 < mawk> but I didn't succeed 2021-09-29T18:25:41 < tct> how cum? 2021-09-29T18:25:46 < tct> what problems did you encounter? 2021-09-29T18:25:56 < mawk> my device also supported 8-bit + 1 GPIO, so I tried for 10 minutes to make 9-bit spi work and then I gave up 2021-09-29T18:26:14 < tct> lol 2021-09-29T18:26:15 < tct> alright 2021-09-29T18:26:46 < mawk> what do you see in the LA for the 9-bit mode 2021-09-29T18:26:54 < mawk> how did you configure the spi for 9-bit also, with cube?* 2021-09-29T18:27:13 < tct> m_cfg.spi_handle.Init.DataSize = SPI_DATASIZE_9BIT; 2021-09-29T18:27:35 < tct> then passing an uint16_t to HAL_SPI_Transmit() and using ´1´ for the Size parameter 2021-09-29T18:27:40 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-29T18:28:17 < mawk> maybe you have to left-align the data? 2021-09-29T18:28:42 < mawk> like data << 7 instead of data 2021-09-29T18:28:52 < mawk> are you extra-sure about that size parameter also? 2021-09-29T18:29:10 < tct> the size parameter is the thing I am least sure about but the source code and various community.st.com posts would suggest so 2021-09-29T18:29:23 < tct> oh, I should probably set the LA back to 9-bit mode q__q 2021-09-29T18:29:43 < mawk> don't read community.st.com 2021-09-29T18:29:46 < mawk> just read the source code 2021-09-29T18:29:52 < mawk> people always lie on forums 2021-09-29T18:29:58 < tct> I really like the long loading times of community.st.com 2021-09-29T18:30:05 < tct> it makes my day so much better 2021-09-29T18:30:11 < mawk> lol 2021-09-29T18:30:15 < qyx> 53 weeks? 2021-09-29T18:30:19 < tct> LOL 2021-09-29T18:30:28 < tct> asked ST for some MEMS microphones... 88 weeks.... 2021-09-29T18:30:29 < qyx> oh load time 2021-09-29T18:30:31 < mawk> so have you tried left alignment tct ?? also are you sure your data is big endian???? 2021-09-29T18:30:40 < tct> mawk, I am checking things 2021-09-29T18:30:48 < mawk> o 2021-09-29T18:32:27 < tct> found the problem 2021-09-29T18:32:50 < tct> forgot to set LA back to 9-bit mode after confirming that 8-bit mode works and a memory copy issue 2021-09-29T18:32:57 < tct> thanks for the help :) 2021-09-29T18:33:02 < mawk> o 2021-09-29T18:54:07 < tct> mawk, why would be people be lying on (the) forum tho/ 2021-09-29T18:59:40 < Ecco> Hi :) 2021-09-29T19:08:04 < Ecco> I have a few (probably dumb) questions regarding USB Type-C 2021-09-29T19:08:34 < Ecco> I want to update a "slave" device that's really just a USB1.1 sink to USB Type-C 2021-09-29T19:08:58 < Ecco> -> I think all I need to do is tie both CC1 and CC2 to ground, each with their own 5.1k resistor 2021-09-29T19:09:22 < Ecco> Questions: 1/ Do i need to add an ESD protection on CC pins? I mean, there's just a resistor… 2021-09-29T19:09:45 < Ecco> 2/ Could I use the extra SBU1/2 pins to add an UART connexion? That could be useful! 2021-09-29T19:21:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T19:24:49 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T19:28:32 -!- c4017w [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-29T19:49:25 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 2021-09-29T19:51:47 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T19:55:51 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has quit [Client Quit] 2021-09-29T19:56:44 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-29T19:57:58 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T20:07:38 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 2021-09-29T20:10:00 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T20:40:22 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@S0106c0943583f893.vf.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T20:43:54 -!- c4017__ [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:6970:bd0b:559e:756f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-29T20:59:01 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T21:41:31 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 2021-09-29T21:43:33 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T22:14:38 -!- BrainDamage [~braindama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-151-164.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-29T22:28:45 -!- BrainDamage [~braindama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-150-138.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T22:42:11 -!- BrainDamage [~braindama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-150-138.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-29T22:48:01 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T22:49:10 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 2021-09-29T22:51:14 -!- oz4ga [~tim@93.90.4.233] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T22:51:49 -!- C-Man [~C-Man@static.88-198-34-209.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-29T22:56:55 -!- BrainDamage [~braindama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-148-105.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T22:57:15 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 2021-09-29T22:58:28 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T23:17:42 < kakium69> hello innovators 2021-09-29T23:21:08 < kakium69> Ecco: don't bother with CC pin protection 2021-09-29T23:50:14 < Steffanx> Hello kakium69 what's brewing? 2021-09-29T23:50:39 < kakium69> not much steff 2021-09-29T23:50:46 < kakium69> friend is in lapland 2021-09-29T23:50:55 < kakium69> I asked him to bring a reindeer 2021-09-29T23:52:33 < Steffanx> Aha, will you butcher it? 2021-09-29T23:53:35 -!- kakium6986 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-29T23:56:36 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-29T23:58:42 -!- kakium6986 is now known as kakium69 --- Day changed Thu Sep 30 2021 2021-09-30T00:07:39 < Steffanx> Isnt it time for a new nick, kakium69 ? 2021-09-30T00:07:53 < Steffanx> I already forgot what nick you used to have 2021-09-30T00:07:56 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-30T00:08:43 < kakium69> I need to innovate new nick 2021-09-30T00:09:19 < Steffanx> What was your previous nick again? 2021-09-30T00:45:04 < steve_> "new name, same crappy product" - ACME, Inc. XD 2021-09-30T00:53:47 < bitmask> ello 2021-09-30T00:55:58 < mouseghost> le xd 2021-09-30T01:04:44 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T01:07:15 < Steffanx> Old kakium69 was difficult 2021-09-30T01:07:20 < Steffanx> Different I mean. Lol 2021-09-30T01:08:08 < kakium69> a little freudian slip there 2021-09-30T01:09:33 < Steffanx> One day when I'm bored enough I'll try to find what it was before kakimir 2021-09-30T01:09:47 < kakium69> kakimir 2021-09-30T01:11:56 < Steffanx> No.. 2021-09-30T01:12:16 < Steffanx> *47 2021-09-30T01:12:21 < bitmask> kakidoodledoo 2021-09-30T01:12:51 < Steffanx> 47 2021-09-30T01:12:56 < bitmask> 47 2021-09-30T01:13:04 < kakium69> agent 47? 2021-09-30T01:14:10 < zyp> Ecco, yes, 5.1k to ground is enough, and no, they don't need ESD protection as they are just resistors 2021-09-30T01:15:21 < kakium69> if we really think about it zyp 2021-09-30T01:15:24 < zyp> as for SBU, yes, you can use them for custom stuff, but you're supposed to negotiate it before outputting anything, so that you don't risk damaging anything if you plug into another device also using SBU for custom stuff 2021-09-30T01:15:34 < kakium69> ESD can damage resistors 2021-09-30T01:15:50 < zyp> and remember that SBU1 and SBU2 are swapped if you flip the connector 2021-09-30T01:16:07 < kakium69> especially if it's continuous discharges 2021-09-30T01:16:25 < kakium69> but in this case it's not any importance 2021-09-30T01:16:45 < zyp> kakium69, what sort of ESD protection are you planning to add that will withstand whatever can damage a 5.1k resistor? 2021-09-30T01:17:30 < kakium69> just bigger resistor dimensions 2021-09-30T01:17:58 < kakium69> if it will be zapped then not use 0402 2021-09-30T01:19:26 < kakium69> if it will be seriously zapped constantly then see for high power rated resistors 2021-09-30T01:19:54 < kakium69> http://www.vishaypg.com/docs/63129/esd_tn.pdf 2021-09-30T01:23:46 < kakium69> and by power I don't mean the dissipation but the peak power it can take 2021-09-30T01:24:08 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2021-09-30T01:26:16 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has quit [Changing host] 2021-09-30T01:26:16 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@user/unmanbearpig] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T01:26:43 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has quit [Quit: mew wew] 2021-09-30T01:30:19 < kakium69> if it was seriously zapped constantly it would need also some sort of voltage clamping device 2021-09-30T01:33:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T02:49:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-30T03:08:28 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@user/unmanbearpig] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T03:13:01 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 2021-09-30T03:24:44 < bitmask> nice, xcode supports c++20 now 2021-09-30T03:41:30 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T03:50:34 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-30T03:52:18 < octorian> Is there any off-the-shelf way to connect a Segger J-Link to the STDC14 debug port that ST is now kinda/sorta pushing with the ST-Link v3? 2021-09-30T03:53:32 < octorian> (if I can't find some sort of off-the-shelf adapter, I might be tempted to just design/make one myself. I'm just always worried about getting pinouts wrong, and there's always lead time on any such project. 2021-09-30T04:35:51 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-30T04:35:51 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T04:37:29 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-30T06:59:17 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2021-09-30T07:06:47 < octorian> Well, its not pretty, but it actually works! https://photos.app.goo.gl/iPsj3JtfiTtkXQLF9 2021-09-30T07:21:47 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T07:22:45 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2021-09-30T07:23:59 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T07:56:19 -!- ferdna [~ferdna@user/ferdna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-30T08:41:09 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T08:41:26 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T09:02:38 < steve_> octorian I can't quite explain why but that was hilarious 2021-09-30T09:22:12 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T09:22:22 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T09:39:17 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T09:59:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2021-09-30T10:44:29 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T11:02:08 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T12:43:15 < Steffanx> Hi kakeman. 2021-09-30T12:52:08 < oz4ga> octorian: How about a converter like this one? https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/ 2021-09-30T12:56:06 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2021-09-30T12:56:08 < zyp> wat, are they doing STDC14 to TC2070 now= 2021-09-30T12:56:16 -!- Coldberg [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T13:07:46 < karlp> octorian: did you not really want just jlink to tag connect?! 2021-09-30T13:09:48 < zyp> haha 2021-09-30T13:34:50 -!- Guest25 [~Guest25@cust226-dsl93-89-135.idnet.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T13:34:56 -!- Guest25 is now known as Laurenceb 2021-09-30T13:34:59 < Laurenceb> sup 2021-09-30T13:35:09 < Laurenceb> anyone here used TMS320? 2021-09-30T13:35:21 < Laurenceb> this CCS shit is making me reeeeee 2021-09-30T13:35:40 < Laurenceb> code works when I flash, but reset or power up causes failure 2021-09-30T13:36:30 < Laurenceb> super weird 2021-09-30T13:38:43 * Laurenceb is trying to make I2C work on TMS320 2021-09-30T13:47:06 < englishman> Is the chip shortage really that bad 2021-09-30T14:05:23 < Steffanx> I used tms320c6678 Laurenceb 2021-09-30T14:05:26 < Steffanx> In ccs 5 2021-09-30T14:05:33 < Steffanx> Wanna cry with me? 2021-09-30T14:07:41 < Laurenceb> lol 2021-09-30T14:07:59 < Laurenceb> ok this is just stupid 2021-09-30T14:08:01 < Steffanx> Oh it was 6672. Dual core 1 GHz 2021-09-30T14:08:12 < Laurenceb> chaos crew insist on using simulink 2021-09-30T14:08:25 < Steffanx> 66xx has a wonderful errata regarding i2c though 2021-09-30T14:08:37 < Laurenceb> I thought maybe it was an issue with jtag or bootloaders 2021-09-30T14:08:42 < Steffanx> It can get stuck. And requires a complete cpu reset 2021-09-30T14:08:43 < Laurenceb> but cant see anything 2021-09-30T14:08:47 < Laurenceb> lol wow 2021-09-30T14:08:52 < Laurenceb> this is c2000 2021-09-30T14:13:29 < Laurenceb> gunna try on a production pcb rather than the dev board 2021-09-30T14:15:51 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T14:16:08 -!- unmanbearpig [~unmanbear@45.76.95.141] has quit [Quit: unmanbearpig] 2021-09-30T14:20:01 -!- rob_w [~bob@host-82-135-31-73.customer.m-online.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-30T14:25:30 < Laurenceb> looks like XRDY is never set 2021-09-30T14:31:58 < Laurenceb> and NACK flag is forced high at reset when power is maintained 2021-09-30T14:32:23 < Laurenceb> looks like simufail code never clears it, maybe thats the issue 2021-09-30T15:13:39 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T15:45:31 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-30T16:04:03 < Ecco> Regarding my question about (ab)using SBU pins 2021-09-30T16:04:16 < Ecco> I wonder if I can simply connect them to an STM32 GPIO 2021-09-30T16:05:40 < Ecco> If I read the spec correctly, you're supposed to negotiate before anyone does anything with those pins 2021-09-30T16:06:17 < Ecco> So, as long as the STM32 doesn't negotiate anything, is it safe to assume that the other side of the cable will just let the SBU pins floating? 2021-09-30T16:06:33 < Ecco> Or could someone randomly drop 5V in there, frying the GPIOs? 2021-09-30T16:07:01 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T16:30:40 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-30T16:33:37 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T16:34:55 -!- mouseghost [~draco@user/mouseghost] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T16:35:16 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by specing_))] 2021-09-30T16:35:16 -!- specing_ [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T16:36:53 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2021-09-30T16:39:06 < GenTooMan> Ecco, you mean USB? 2021-09-30T16:41:42 < mawk> usb goes pretty fast 2021-09-30T16:41:47 < mawk> unless you use the lowest mode 2021-09-30T16:42:02 < mawk> also it's a differential pair with specific resistances needed, I'm not sure you can use gpio for it but why not 2021-09-30T16:46:51 < qyx> GenTooMan: SBU 2021-09-30T16:47:22 < qyx> Ecco: I would protect them in either case 2021-09-30T17:01:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@c-73-254-117-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-30T17:02:25 -!- drzacek [~drzacek@130-062-074-080.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-30T17:11:13 < octorian> oz4ga, karlp, zyp, The problem with that adapter is that it misses the extra pins used for serial on the STDC14 connector. And yes, that's basically an STDC14<->TC2070 you see plugged into it. 2021-09-30T17:26:22 < Ecco> qyx: yeah, well, as soon as you connect GPIOs to the outer world yeah, you probably need some form of ESD protection 2021-09-30T17:26:32 < Ecco> but my question was more about sustained overvoltage 2021-09-30T17:26:46 < Ecco> Like, could a someone legitimately put 5V on an SBU pin? 2021-09-30T17:28:26 -!- alan_o [~alan@2600:1700:b420:54b8:515d:12db:bec4:2f16] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2021-09-30T17:45:18 -!- alan_o [~alan@99-117-187-177.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T17:53:44 < jpa-> Ecco: if your product is fried after someone plugs it to some random chinese charger, what does it matter whether it was legitimate or not? 2021-09-30T17:54:18 < jpa-> if you can put some series resistors there, it offers at least some protection 2021-09-30T18:00:06 < octorian> Okay, is Ecco talking about USB or SBU? And if the intended acronym is really SBU, then what does SBU stand for? 2021-09-30T18:00:28 < zyp> sideband use 2021-09-30T18:01:30 < zyp> Ecco, number one purpose of SBU is analog audio, simple TRS to usb-c adapters hooks the signals to SBU 2021-09-30T18:02:03 < zyp> number two use is displayport aux channel 2021-09-30T18:02:28 < karlp> octorian: but where is the stdc14 connecotr? your target board had tag connect? 2021-09-30T18:02:57 < zyp> Ecco, also, usb-c spec defines how devices needs to treat all the pins before negotiating anything 2021-09-30T18:03:30 < zyp> karlp, presumably on the other end of the tag-connect cable 2021-09-30T18:03:49 < zyp> and the board got a TC2070 footprint with a STDC14 pinout 2021-09-30T18:03:55 < zyp> which is eww 2021-09-30T18:03:56 < octorian> karlp, the target board has a Tag-Connect connector with the same pinout as STDC14, so I can use a TC cable that connects directly to an STLink3. A different project of mine (that doesn't use TC) directly has an STDC14 connector on its board. I like my debug hardware to be interchangeable. 2021-09-30T18:04:20 < octorian> Why is that eww? 2021-09-30T18:04:20 < karlp> yeah, eww. 2021-09-30T18:05:15 < octorian> None of the other "standard" pinouts seem to bother including those serial/uart pins, and I find that quite useful to have. 2021-09-30T18:05:19 < zyp> octorian, because it's stupid to have not only two but three different tag-connect footprints for swd 2021-09-30T18:07:03 < karlp> uart on a debug connector was st shotting into their feet. 2021-09-30T18:08:13 < mawk> why 2021-09-30T18:08:15 < octorian> So to make you people happy, I should just have a second cable coming off the board for that? 2021-09-30T18:08:27 < zyp> yes 2021-09-30T18:09:16 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T18:10:07 < karlp> or just use swo or rtt if it's for debug anyway 2021-09-30T18:10:15 < karlp> if it's for end user, it shouldn't be in the debug port. 2021-09-30T18:10:23 < zyp> exactly 2021-09-30T18:11:00 < karlp> throwing uarts away because people can't be arsed to learn about the debug features available to them.... 2021-09-30T18:11:13 < karlp> just as well st normally has plenty of uarts :) 2021-09-30T18:12:56 < zyp> if it's just printing, just use an ITM channel over SWO, and if it's a full shell I'd rather put it on USB or something 2021-09-30T18:16:39 < octorian> Not every MCU has SWO. And (maybe its a different problem) most SWO output utilities seem significantly shittier than your average serial terminal app. 2021-09-30T18:17:02 < karlp> ok, keep fucking around with cabling then :) 2021-09-30T18:17:26 < karlp> you're also in tag connect hell, so there's that too :) (this channel is a divided camp on tag connect itself) 2021-09-30T18:17:46 < zyp> I'm all for TC2030-CTX, but fuck using anything else for swd 2021-09-30T18:17:49 < jpa-> i usually put UART on debug pin header if i have a free one and i'm not short on space 2021-09-30T18:17:59 < karlp> but mixnig tag connect _and_ st's totally new and incompatible with everyone footprint is always going to be fun 2021-09-30T18:18:06 < englishman> tag-connect is great, for msp430 2021-09-30T18:18:37 < zyp> I also like TC2030-CTX-ETM on paper, haven't tested them in practice yet 2021-09-30T18:18:45 < octorian> If I use an ST-Link v3, and stick to 14-pin cables that plug directly into it without pin rearrangement or adapters, I'm really not in cabling hell. 2021-09-30T18:19:49 < zyp> splitting the 20-pin trace cable in a TC2030 for debug and TC2050 for trace has the advantage that it's modular 2021-09-30T18:20:16 < zyp> cable will still work with debug only targets and debug only cables will still work with trace capable targets 2021-09-30T18:21:27 < octorian> Okay, if I only use Segger J-Link, then I can use Segger RTT instead of UART for debug print output. But if I want to be compatible with an STLink, I still need the UART output. 2021-09-30T18:22:41 < jpa-> on devices without SWO, you can always just connect USART TX pin in its place 2021-09-30T18:22:44 < karlp> you can use rtt with opencd and stlink too... 2021-09-30T18:24:28 < octorian> But will the 3rd party utilities to view it end up conflicting with any debuggers I may also want to attach to the target at the same time? 2021-09-30T18:25:13 < karlp> you're already conflicting when you're trying to put your uart on the same cable as your swd... 2021-09-30T18:25:15 < jpa-> no, but they'll just fail to work half the time :) 2021-09-30T18:25:26 < karlp> you can't just keep chaning the goals :) 2021-09-30T18:25:56 < octorian> No, I'm not conflicting. Its the same pinout as ST's latest stock debug probe, and it all works just fine. Its not really an issue unless I suddenly need to use those pins for something else. 2021-09-30T18:26:45 < jpa-> i don't really get this uart hate - if one doesn't want it, who forces to connect it to the header 2021-09-30T18:26:51 < jpa-> can still keep the same pinout 2021-09-30T18:27:08 < karlp> exxcept now you have a 14 pin connector... 2021-09-30T18:27:39 < jpa-> yes, if 14 pin connector is too large, then obviously don't use 14 pin connector.. 2021-09-30T18:28:18 < jpa-> (not that the addition of an uart would really need 14 pin connector to start with) 2021-09-30T18:28:56 < jpa-> the inclusion of JTAG is more stupid IMO 2021-09-30T18:28:57 < octorian> The only reason for the 14-pin connector is to be able to use SWD or JTAG without changing pinout. Which lets ST standardize. 2021-09-30T18:29:27 < octorian> If there was a "standard" SWD+UART pinout that didn't include extra pins for JTAG, I might consider that too. 2021-09-30T18:30:05 < jpa-> there are many standard SWD+UART_TX pinouts, they just call UART_TX SWO :) 2021-09-30T18:30:54 < karlp> stlink 6 pin for instance 2021-09-30T18:31:24 < karlp> pretty sure cortex-10 lets you use jtag and trace and swd, but st decided to go and be special and add a uart on the end and break compat with everything else 2021-09-30T18:32:14 < jpa-> how does it break compatibility? connectors that don't fit narrower connector or something? 2021-09-30T18:32:29 < karlp> yeah, the old 10 pins ones don't fit on the 14 pin headers. 2021-09-30T18:32:51 < karlp> the edges of the plastic don't fit in the gaps. 2021-09-30T18:32:54 < karlp> it was just a dumb decision 2021-09-30T18:33:34 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip174-73-151-51.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T18:37:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T18:55:47 -!- bitmask [~bitmask@c-73-215-237-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:01:03 -!- nerozero [~nerozero@87.253.63.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:08:17 -!- steve__ [~steve@ool-182c2aa4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:10:20 -!- ventyl_ [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:12:02 -!- akaWolf1 [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:16:41 < karlp> fucking was tearing my hair out with some spice, finally plotted "3v3" and it was "1.0" 2021-09-30T20:16:57 < karlp> no fucking wonder no opamp was doing no good with a 1v supply.... 2021-09-30T20:17:39 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: dreamcat4, akaWolf, ventyl, sauce, Coldberg, boB_K7IQ, GenTooMan, steve_ 2021-09-30T20:17:43 -!- akaWolf1 is now known as akaWolf 2021-09-30T20:18:08 < Steffanx> Lol 2021-09-30T20:20:16 -!- c4017w__ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:20:32 -!- c4017__ [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:6970:bd0b:559e:756f] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:22:05 -!- Laurenceb [~Guest25@cust226-dsl93-89-135.idnet.net] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 2021-09-30T20:22:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [~boB_K7IQ@152.44.147.180] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:22:08 -!- Ikkepop [~C-Man@78.31.190.82] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:22:08 -!- dreamcat4 [uid157427@id-157427.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:22:08 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:22:08 -!- sauce [~sauce@omae.wa.mou.shindei.ru] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:22:57 -!- IanW_ [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:23:17 -!- IanW [~IceChat9@jindivik.force9.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:23:46 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@S0106c0943583f893.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:23:46 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:43:03 -!- fenugrec_ [~f@97.107.220.18] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:43:22 -!- Alexer- [~alexer@alexer.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:44:29 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:44:29 -!- Alexer [~alexer@alexer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:44:30 -!- fenugrec [~f@97.107.220.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:44:30 -!- ventyl_ [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:44:30 -!- englishman [~englishma@chatting.party] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:44:30 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2021-09-30T20:44:43 -!- ventyl [~ventyl@bband-dyn225.95-103-1.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:44:56 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@akawolf.org] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:45:24 -!- englishman [~englishma@chatting.party] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T20:45:36 -!- specing [~specing@user/specing] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T21:09:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@12.69.225.50] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T21:10:31 < upgrdman> anyone know of a chip like a io expander, but for high voltages? i need a lot of digital outputs, at 24V, push-pull (not open-drain) 2021-09-30T21:10:50 < mouseghost> 24V isnt that high voltage 2021-09-30T21:11:06 < upgrdman> well ya, but i mean, most io expanders are like 3.3v or 5v 2021-09-30T21:11:43 < englishman> shift register? 2021-09-30T21:11:53 < zyp> upgrdman, yes, let me dig them up 2021-09-30T21:12:02 < mouseghost> idk just use a relay?? 2021-09-30T21:12:09 < mouseghost> upgrdman, how many is a lot 2021-09-30T21:12:16 < upgrdman> englishman, cool. what shift register can push-pull 24v outputs? 2021-09-30T21:12:32 < upgrdman> mouseghost, 32. relays/ssr's are not practical 2021-09-30T21:12:54 -!- MrBIOS_ [~textual@2603:3024:145c:4000:a83a:3b7a:e129:c0a0] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T21:13:01 < mouseghost> is there maybe some transistor which works on 24V? 2021-09-30T21:14:30 < englishman> upgrdman: i used HV509 on my dixie tube clocks 2021-09-30T21:14:33 < mouseghost> Drain−to−Source Voltage VDSS 60 V 2021-09-30T21:14:36 < mouseghost> the hell you talking about 2021-09-30T21:14:42 < mouseghost> cant you just use a mosfet? 2021-09-30T21:14:44 < zyp> upgrdman, e.g. VNI8200XP 2021-09-30T21:14:47 < mouseghost> or am i dumb 2021-09-30T21:15:49 < zyp> or ISO8200AQ 2021-09-30T21:15:58 < upgrdman> thx 2021-09-30T21:16:14 < englishman> lol minimum voltage for HV509 is 50 V. by high voltage i thought you meant high voltage not plc voltage 2021-09-30T21:16:15 < mouseghost> idk idk 2021-09-30T21:16:38 < mouseghost> again, why cant upgrdman use a transistor? 2021-09-30T21:16:41 < mouseghost> pls someone explain that to me 2021-09-30T21:16:59 < englishman> he asked for an io expander 2021-09-30T21:17:09 < upgrdman> zyp, looks like that's high-side only, can't sink current? 2021-09-30T21:17:11 < zyp> mouseghost, he asked for push-pull 2021-09-30T21:17:17 < mouseghost> yeah so? 2021-09-30T21:17:24 < mouseghost> regular io expander and a bunch of mosfets? 2021-09-30T21:17:59 < mouseghost> idk maybe its not-nice-to-use or something 2021-09-30T21:18:07 < mouseghost> i am just now wondering if thats a viable approach 2021-09-30T21:18:11 < mouseghost> in general 2021-09-30T21:18:12 < zyp> upgrdman, hmm, might have missed that 2021-09-30T21:18:21 < mouseghost> because this doesnt feel so wrong 2021-09-30T21:18:42 < upgrdman> mouseghost, then i need 64 nmos + a charge pump for the high-side nmos (or 16 nmos, 16 pmos) 2021-09-30T21:18:42 < zyp> upgrdman, maybe you'll just have to dick around with a bunch of halfbridges? 2021-09-30T21:18:48 < upgrdman> ya 2021-09-30T21:19:03 < mouseghost> whats a charge pump? upgrdman 2021-09-30T21:19:06 < upgrdman> know of a nice quad or octal half-bridge? i've been looking at the DRV8955 2021-09-30T21:19:10 < zyp> there's a quad halfbridge greenpak, but I only think it does 12V, not 24 2021-09-30T21:19:45 < zyp> the advantage of the greenpak would be that you could design in shift register logic (or just drive it with i2c) 2021-09-30T21:20:15 < zyp> but yeah, max 13.2V 2021-09-30T21:20:50 < upgrdman> k 2021-09-30T21:21:27 < upgrdman> ya, i guess i will need to go with those nmos+pmos dual-transistor-so8-thinggys, and a normal io exapnder/shift reg 2021-09-30T21:21:39 < mouseghost> ha! :3 2021-09-30T21:22:51 < qyx> upgrdman: there are chips for industrial source/sinking IO 2021-09-30T21:22:55 < upgrdman> hmm. DRV8955 might be cheaper than manually uses shit loads of fets 2021-09-30T21:23:04 < qyx> upgrdman: with SPI or classic GPIO inputs 2021-09-30T21:23:07 < upgrdman> qyx, ya im hoping to find some :) 2021-09-30T21:23:16 < upgrdman> what category on digikey are they :) 2021-09-30T21:23:22 < qyx> hm, we were using some 8 uput ones 2021-09-30T21:23:24 < qyx> don't remember now 2021-09-30T21:23:29 < qyx> wait a bit 2021-09-30T21:23:49 < zyp> qyx, that's the ones I linked 2021-09-30T21:25:32 < qyx> https://www.st.com/en/power-management/l6374.html may be good too 2021-09-30T21:25:35 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@193.137.28.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2021-09-30T21:26:13 < qyx> zyp: yeah probably 2021-09-30T21:27:00 < qyx> it is much pro 2021-09-30T21:27:01 < mouseghost> you dont really need to install a shitton of fets manually, do you? there are packages of bunch of them in one 2021-09-30T21:27:04 < qyx> out of stock though 2021-09-30T21:27:07 < mouseghost> though granted the power dissipation might be worse 2021-09-30T21:27:09 < zyp> TIOS101 looks cute but expensive 2021-09-30T21:30:34 < mouseghost> DMHC10H170SFJ 2021-09-30T21:30:35 < zyp> MX877 looks perfect if you can even find it 2021-09-30T21:30:51 < zyp> 8 channels, push pull, with built in shift reg 2021-09-30T21:31:08 < zyp> https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/205/MX877-1392060.pdf 2021-09-30T21:31:35 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: unrelated to magic realism but did you read Milan Kundera? I highly recommend if you're interested in European leterature. 2021-09-30T21:31:45 < mouseghost> i havent 2021-09-30T21:32:03 < mouseghost> ill check him out then, thanks 2021-09-30T21:36:01 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: and related to magic realism, Marquez would be the essential name, and his works are like 10x less depressing than Kafka's. 2021-09-30T21:36:34 < mouseghost> gabriel garcia? 2021-09-30T21:36:36 < mouseghost> heard the name 2021-09-30T21:40:31 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:6970:bd0b:559e:756f] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T21:40:40 -!- Miyu [~hackkitte@249-138-165-046.ip-addr.inexio.net] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T21:40:58 < PaulFertser> mouseghost: yep 2021-09-30T21:43:40 -!- c4017__ [~c4017@2604:3d08:747f:7c90:6970:bd0b:559e:756f] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-30T21:44:13 -!- hackkitten [~hackkitte@249-138-165-046.ip-addr.inexio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-30T21:53:51 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2021-09-30T22:12:43 < kakium69> how long until win10 upgrades to win11 automatically? 2021-09-30T22:13:19 < kakium69> you just go to your pc one day and it's changed 2021-09-30T22:13:32 < kakium69> win11 is already in winupdate option 2021-09-30T22:14:06 -!- GenTooMan [~cyberman@2601:547:437f:e5c6:21f:5bff:fefe:a883] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T22:16:47 < specing> what 2021-09-30T22:16:54 < specing> didn't they say that win10 will be the last version? 2021-09-30T22:20:44 < oz4ga> they decided otherwise later on 2021-09-30T22:24:37 < Steffanx> i dont see windows 11 kakium69.. 2021-09-30T22:25:01 < kakium69> maybe you need to enable beta channel 2021-09-30T22:25:07 < Steffanx> oh beta 2021-09-30T22:25:13 < Steffanx> not interested 2021-09-30T22:26:07 < kakium69> lemme see 2021-09-30T22:26:25 < kakium69> friend just send photo of winupdate downloading win11 2021-09-30T22:27:10 < kakium69> hmm 2021-09-30T22:27:20 < kakium69> it also can be that he has win10 pro 2021-09-30T22:27:24 < Steffanx> i tried win11 in a vm, wasnt not impressed 2021-09-30T22:27:32 < Steffanx> was not* 2021-09-30T22:28:34 < englishman> there are still AMDs for sale that are not eligibile for win11 2021-09-30T22:28:39 < Steffanx> Pro there too 2021-09-30T22:28:52 < kakium69> he has microsoft surface 2021-09-30T22:29:28 < Steffanx> I recall i somewhere read windows will not enforce the cpu. It will just tell you its not supported and you agree that you wont give them shit if it fails. 2021-09-30T22:29:42 < kakium69> https://www.microsoft.com/en-ie/windows/windows-11 2021-09-30T22:30:16 < englishman> sounds safe. 2021-09-30T22:30:59 < englishman> when the new macbook pro comes out next month i'm going to get one for wifeishman. so i'll get to borrow it from time to time. not sure my next laptop will be a windows one 2021-09-30T22:31:04 < kakium69> " The upgrade rollout plan is still being finalised, but for most devices already in use today, we expect it to be ready sometime in early 2022." 2021-09-30T22:31:51 < Steffanx> englishman goes full apple. .. :O 2021-09-30T22:32:12 < kakium69> englishman: "get one for wifeishman" "I'll get to borrow it" 2021-09-30T22:32:14 < englishman> still have chromecast 2021-09-30T22:32:52 < englishman> apparently they are getting rid of the touchbar 2021-09-30T22:33:04 < englishman> and bringing back magsafe, sd card reader and moar USB ports 2021-09-30T22:33:26 < kakium69> and they dumped the shitty keyboard too 2021-09-30T22:33:48 < englishman> i heard the keyboards were crappy for a while, must have missed that 2021-09-30T22:33:57 < Steffanx> i didnt hate my macbook pro though. Just not worth it anymore when you hardly use laptops 2021-09-30T22:34:35 < kakium69> I was about to massivelly fuk up when I was buying laptop 2021-09-30T22:34:49 < kakium69> I had my eye on macbook 2021-09-30T22:35:14 < kakium69> but then got dell xps customer return unit for 600eur 2021-09-30T22:37:07 < kakium69> first I got one for 900eur and returned it next day in sealed box to pick up the same model for 600eur 2021-09-30T22:37:34 < kakium69> "anything wrong with it.. wait you have not even opened it?" 2021-09-30T22:37:54 < englishman> maybe my next laptop will be an ipad. 2021-09-30T22:38:13 < kakium69> ipad pro right? 2021-09-30T22:38:24 < englishman> idk the mini is pretty nice. 2021-09-30T22:38:30 < englishman> i'd have to go try them out 2021-09-30T22:40:45 < Steffanx> my laptop is a dell latitude with touch screen. love the touchscreen part. 2021-09-30T22:41:07 < kakium69> I hate the touchscreen part 2021-09-30T22:41:15 < Steffanx> only downside, when use another laptop you still try to move your finger to the screen 2021-09-30T22:41:29 < Steffanx> You have no idea kakium69 2021-09-30T22:41:37 < kakium69> it mess up the optic appereance of the display 2021-09-30T22:41:58 < kakium69> it's like glossy but with 2 layers of glossy 2021-09-30T22:42:03 < Steffanx> its fine, its not the best screen anyway 2021-09-30T22:42:06 < Steffanx> and its not glossy 2021-09-30T22:42:14 < kakium69> non glossy touch screen what? 2021-09-30T22:42:22 < kakium69> explain 2021-09-30T22:42:29 < Steffanx> its not glossy 2021-09-30T22:42:44 < kakium69> I have never heard of such thing 2021-09-30T22:43:48 < kakium69> it's actually readable display with touch screen? 2021-09-30T22:44:40 < qyx> are you from the past 2021-09-30T22:45:04 < kakium69> yes 2021-09-30T22:45:57 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/a/G9baqaY 2021-09-30T22:45:59 < Steffanx> Not glossy 2021-09-30T22:46:22 < kakium69> how much? 2021-09-30T22:46:49 < Steffanx> it was new like 1300 euro bucks, i paid 600 euro bucks. 2021-09-30T22:47:17 < Steffanx> New, in the original package, incl. plastic wrapping shipping from dell 1 month earlier. 2021-09-30T22:47:22 < Steffanx> No clue where it came from :P 2021-09-30T22:47:29 < kakium69> lattitude is like corporate line? 2021-09-30T22:47:36 < Steffanx> Yeahj 2021-09-30T22:48:25 < kakium69> it looks like matte display w/o touch 2021-09-30T22:48:27 < Steffanx> probably fell of a truck somewhere 2021-09-30T22:48:37 < kakium69> like it should look like 2021-09-30T22:48:44 < englishman> i was surprised the macbooks are not touchscreen 2021-09-30T22:49:15 < Steffanx> steve probably didnt approve 2021-09-30T22:50:18 < kakium69> consumer models with touch under 1000eur all have this multi layer reflection glossy shit combined with 250nits 2021-09-30T22:50:57 < Steffanx> Yeah, the nits is lowish on this one, no clue how low, but lowish 2021-09-30T22:51:00 < Steffanx> but i dont care 2021-09-30T22:51:32 < Steffanx> Mainly use it in my CNC men cave. 2021-09-30T22:51:40 < kakium69> if you don't have reflections that overpower the display then it's not that much of issue 2021-09-30T22:51:45 < Steffanx> and overly bright is annoying anyway 2021-09-30T22:52:22 < Steffanx> Brightness on 100% and then use dark themes in editors. 2021-09-30T22:52:22 < kakium69> I only use laptop in total darkness 2021-09-30T22:52:35 < kakium69> with minimum brightness 2021-09-30T22:53:24 < kakium69> and I use f.lux to bring it down even further by dimming the image 2021-09-30T22:54:06 < Steffanx> i found out windows does ~f.lux too nowadays 2021-09-30T22:54:21 < Steffanx> but not as advanced as f.lux 2021-09-30T22:54:22 < kakium69> doesn't replace f.lux 2021-09-30T22:55:01 < kakium69> press alt-pgdn and you get software dimmer 2021-09-30T22:55:10 < englishman> i could probably get by just fine with an ipad mini and a desktop 2021-09-30T22:55:16 < englishman> 5G ipad would be nice too 2021-09-30T22:55:51 < kakium69> friend bought like 10 laptops to figure out he doesn't need any 2021-09-30T22:56:21 < Steffanx> Yeah, me too. Except that it doesnt run what i need it to run.. the ipad 2021-09-30T22:56:44 < kakium69> then you need laptop 2021-09-30T22:57:11 < qyx> doesn't it run ads? 2021-09-30T22:57:15 < englishman> just vm into a desktop 2021-09-30T22:57:28 < englishman> then you can get your MS Dynamics GP no problem 2021-09-30T22:57:49 < englishman> or write an excel frontend in PowerQuery then load the excel over icloud 2021-09-30T22:57:50 < englishman> easy 2021-09-30T22:58:13 < kakium69> :o 2021-09-30T23:04:12 -!- sync [~sync@sync-hv.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2021-09-30T23:08:25 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2021-09-30T23:08:25 -!- kakium69 [~kakium69@37-136-160-77.rev.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T23:10:20 < kakium69> Steffanx: cnc men cave? 2021-09-30T23:11:28 < kakium69> all these years 2021-09-30T23:12:14 < kakium69> and I have not heard about it 2021-09-30T23:17:21 -!- sync [~sync@sync-hv.de] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T23:20:25 -!- c4017w_ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T23:23:50 -!- c4017w__ [~c4017@209.52.68.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-30T23:44:32 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has quit [] 2021-09-30T23:49:03 -!- Mangy_Dog [Mange@user/mangy-dog/x-7397214] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T23:49:50 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2021-09-30T23:55:11 -!- spacebyte [~spacebyte@a94-132-168-30.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2021-09-30T23:56:46 < Steffanx> Yeah, the place where my cnc is located, kakeman --- Log closed Fri Oct 01 00:00:23 2021