--- Log opened pe heinä 01 00:00:34 2022
2022-07-01T00:02:18 < Laurence_b> unfortunately the fuses are very expensive, and it set off alarms at the grid company, so hyperboss didnt see the funny side
2022-07-01T00:02:57 < Steffanx> Shit happens. 
2022-07-01T00:03:01 < kaki> yes an event
2022-07-01T00:03:13 < Laurence_b> I got to use the long PVC pole to put new fuses in place
2022-07-01T00:03:38 < kaki> are you qualified to go there?
2022-07-01T00:03:50 < kaki> or how does that go?
2022-07-01T00:04:08 < Laurence_b> >qualified
2022-07-01T00:04:09 < Laurence_b> lol
2022-07-01T00:04:13 < kaki> :D
2022-07-01T00:04:40 < kaki> I would say you need some basic knowledge to change that fuse
2022-07-01T00:05:04 < Laurence_b> we have an ex power company guy who is supposed to do safety supervision, but he spends most of his time eating mcdonalds and talking about capecrap movies
2022-07-01T00:05:41 < Laurence_b> "yeah whatever... fix the fuse with the long plastic pole"
2022-07-01T00:06:17 < kaki> you have been instructed
2022-07-01T00:06:20 < kaki> very good
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2022-07-01T00:07:14 < kaki> I assume it was also unpowered and plastic thing was a precaution
2022-07-01T00:08:47 < Laurence_b> yeah the main breakers were disconnected
2022-07-01T00:10:37 < kaki> whaat cree has renamed itself as wolfspeed
2022-07-01T00:15:30 < qyx> old
2022-07-01T00:18:50 < kaki> Laurence_b: sensor to rail side possible?
2022-07-01T00:19:06 < kaki> ah wait
2022-07-01T00:19:19 < kaki> then you need 6 sensors
2022-07-01T00:19:23 < kaki> maybe
2022-07-01T00:19:44 < kaki> am I correct?
2022-07-01T00:21:42 < kaki> anyway the rails might be a mess too
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2022-07-01T00:28:24 < kaki> and its weird configuration
2022-07-01T00:29:50 < fenugrec> englishman, it could've mapped to a much more ... "breeding-oriented" translation
2022-07-01T00:29:56 < fenugrec> always send goog translate text verbatim
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2022-07-01T01:46:39 < Laurence_b> >all muh hyperloop github repos have a master branch
2022-07-01T01:46:46 < Laurence_b> *demonic evil laughter*
2022-07-01T01:56:47 < rajkosto> there was only one project that i used that switched and it broke git pull/git submodules...
2022-07-01T01:56:57 < rajkosto> what a stupid thing to do
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2022-07-01T20:14:39 < machinehum> What are the popular pin headers that are smaller than the 2.54mm, 1mm or 1.27mm?
2022-07-01T20:18:00 < jpa-> 1.27mm is more popular than 1mm
2022-07-01T20:25:53 < machinehum> Yeah I'll go for that
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2022-07-01T21:46:09 < qyx> 2 mm is also popular
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2022-07-01T22:04:45 < machinehum> Hot or Not: Header edition
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2022-07-01T23:03:27 < Laurence_b> til there is some epin edgelord graffiti along the canal
2022-07-01T23:03:46 < Laurence_b> >mural 1: how soap works to remove grease
2022-07-01T23:04:04 < Laurence_b> >mural 2: how Wuhan institute works to create GM coronavirus
2022-07-01T23:05:44 < Laurence_b> I was irl lolling hard
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2022-07-01T23:13:45 < Steffanx> Ok
2022-07-01T23:30:15 < PaulFertser> Laurence_b: don't they really work on Gain-Of-Function viruses?
2022-07-01T23:31:59 < Laurence_b> yeah
2022-07-01T23:34:47 < Laurence_b> keek irl batman https://nitter.net/stillgray/status/1542727579144138755#m
2022-07-01T23:40:54 < Steffanx> Batman?!?!
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--- Day changed la heinä 02 2022
2022-07-02T00:03:03 < Laurence_b> yeah
2022-07-02T00:03:14 < Laurence_b> looks like one of jokers sidekicks
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2022-07-02T00:14:08 < Steffanx> Chucky 
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2022-07-02T00:40:40 < Laurence_b> reeee why inverter now worky
2022-07-02T00:40:48 < Laurence_b> 5MW invertor was supposed to be easy
2022-07-02T00:40:50 < Laurence_b> oh wait
2022-07-02T00:41:27 < Laurence_b> that doesnt seem a very sane thing to say
2022-07-02T00:41:55 < Laurence_b> >current sensor data is crap even at 24V input
2022-07-02T00:42:18 < Laurence_b> maybe it needs moar copper foil tape
2022-07-02T00:50:24 < specing> why do you need 5 megawatts? tunnel boring machine?
2022-07-02T00:51:16 < Laurence_b> nah hyperloop (style) pods
2022-07-02T00:54:06 < karlp> it's definitely the aircon
2022-07-02T00:54:17 < Laurence_b> lol
2022-07-02T00:55:14 < karlp> been listening to an exeter man singing recently lolrence, should make you happy.
2022-07-02T00:55:33 < Laurence_b> maybe I could just run very high speed ADC and rolling median filter
2022-07-02T01:08:49 < qyx> rolling median?
2022-07-02T01:10:53 < Laurence_b> median of last x samples
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2022-07-02T03:02:23 < Mangy_Dog> https://twitter.com/MD_Builds/status/1543021920634937344
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2022-07-02T03:39:34 < mawk> zyp: what is the expected value of throwing two dice and taking the maximum between the two?
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2022-07-02T03:49:30 < catphish> 0<n<7
2022-07-02T03:52:31 < catphish> also, 4.4722
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2022-07-02T04:39:51 < mawk> yes catphish 
2022-07-02T04:39:53 < mawk> how did you find it?
2022-07-02T04:41:06 < mawk> 4.47222222222222222222222
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2022-07-02T05:33:03 < mawk> for a n-sided die the answer is n(n+1)(4n-1)/(6n²)
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2022-07-02T09:57:39 < Steffanx> You didnt say anything about what's on the die. Your question was incomplete mawk. Try again.
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2022-07-02T11:26:46 < zyp> mawk, my solution:
2022-07-02T11:26:46 < zyp> >>> sum(max(a + 1, b + 1) for a in range(6) for b in range(6)) / 6**2
2022-07-02T11:26:47 < zyp> 4.472222222222222
2022-07-02T11:45:15 < Steffanx> Wrong. The dice had the numbers 1, 3, 7, 11, 13 and 37 ;)
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2022-07-02T14:37:24 < Steffanx> What is this knob thing Mangy_Dog ?
2022-07-02T14:37:48 < Mangy_Dog> my version of the dynamic haptic feedback knob idea.... also going to be a smart thermostat
2022-07-02T14:37:52 < Mangy_Dog> nest clone
2022-07-02T14:38:09 < Mangy_Dog> but can be adapted to do other things
2022-07-02T14:40:27 < Steffanx> It looks..  complicated.
2022-07-02T14:40:56 < Mangy_Dog> its... umm
2022-07-02T14:41:01 < Mangy_Dog> maybe not quite as bad as it looks :D
2022-07-02T14:41:16 < Mangy_Dog> but im planning to have a custom stator inside it acting as the motor
2022-07-02T14:41:29 < Mangy_Dog> so its not using an off the shelf motor like the more famous version
2022-07-02T14:43:22 < Steffanx> Yeah the motor thats unobtanium now :D
2022-07-02T14:43:33 < Mangy_Dog> yep
2022-07-02T14:43:43 < Mangy_Dog> though there are other gimbal motors that would do the job
2022-07-02T14:43:52 < Mangy_Dog> just not match his cad files
2022-07-02T14:44:43 < Mangy_Dog> the biggest issue im facing with my knob! is im not sure if i can make enough torque with a custom stator. Even if I use iron filled PLA. its just not going to be the same as a true electric steel stator
2022-07-02T14:45:17 < Mangy_Dog> i think vitual end stops is not going to be possible but hopefully spring back and indents is
2022-07-02T14:53:53 < Steffanx> What's this thing with the bearings and the locking? What's the use? Can't rotate the knob when it's locked?
2022-07-02T14:54:15 < Mangy_Dog> no its to lock the knob to the 1 gang face plate
2022-07-02T14:54:26 < Steffanx> Ah, just that.
2022-07-02T14:54:27 < Mangy_Dog> when the knobs attached you cant access the screws
2022-07-02T14:55:24 < Mangy_Dog> so you first screw the face plate onto the electrical back box, then push the knob on with the button pressed in... when you releas the button it rotates to the stiff attached part of the flap, which holds the bearigs against the coupler locking the knob in place
2022-07-02T14:55:54 < Mangy_Dog> with force im sure it would be possible to pull the knob off the plate without pressing the button in... but likely break something
2022-07-02T14:56:38 < Mangy_Dog> so you just push the button in again... the ring rotates to the flexable part of the flap, which allows the bearings to retract when you pull the knob off the face plate
2022-07-02T14:57:19 < Mangy_Dog> the face plate is designed to fit a standard UK 1 gang backbox
2022-07-02T14:57:37 < Mangy_Dog> US has different standard designs for electrical outlets
2022-07-02T14:57:44 < Mangy_Dog> not sure about EU
2022-07-02T14:57:50 < Mangy_Dog> Aus uses the same as us
2022-07-02T15:06:10 < Steffanx> Aha like that. Now I get it 
2022-07-02T15:33:27 < Mangy_Dog> also by different designs i dont mean a plug socket. I mean the box that holds the socket, and the size and spacing of the face plate screws
2022-07-02T15:34:04 < Mangy_Dog> theres probebly  BS number standard for it but god knows if i could find it
2022-07-02T15:40:35 < mawk> Steffanx by default it's 6-sided, but I also said it's possible to compute when it's n-sided
2022-07-02T15:40:39 < mawk> yes zyp 
2022-07-02T15:40:50 < mawk> can you derive an analytical formula from it?
2022-07-02T15:42:03 < mawk> if you do: for x in range(1, 7): for y in range(1, 7): print(max(x, y), end=' '); print()
2022-07-02T15:42:14 < mawk> the second print is at the indentation level of the first for
2022-07-02T15:42:30 < mawk> that will print a neat table, and then it's obvious how to compute it
2022-07-02T15:42:35 < mawk> by going around corners
2022-07-02T15:43:09 < mawk> you will get 1×1 + 3×2 + 5×3 + 7×4 + 9×5 + 11×6
2022-07-02T15:43:21 < mawk> and divide that by 36 and you get the exact result 
2022-07-02T15:43:28 < mawk> but you also get an analytical formula for any n
2022-07-02T15:43:55 < mawk> 1/n² Σ(2n-1)n = n(n+1)(4n-1)/(6n²)
2022-07-02T15:44:10 < Steffanx> But n-side doesn't mean it has numbers 1 to n mawk ;)
2022-07-02T15:44:26 < Steffanx> n-sided*
2022-07-02T15:44:35 < mawk> yes Steffanx only madmen escaped from the looney asylum would do anything other than 1..n
2022-07-02T15:44:43 < mawk> and these people aren't allowed to do maths
2022-07-02T15:45:52 < mawk> the sum is more like Σ(2k-1)k, reusing indices is bad 
2022-07-02T15:49:10 < mawk> and if the dice are not 1..n it's the exact same method
2022-07-02T15:49:58 < mawk> you can relabel the dice 1..n, do the maths, and invert the labeling
2022-07-02T15:50:06 < mawk> so everything has been said without loss of generality 
2022-07-02T15:50:09 < Steffanx> I already know most math is about made up problems and already known solutions. :P
2022-07-02T15:50:15 < mawk> nooo
2022-07-02T15:50:20 < mawk> I didn't already know the solution 
2022-07-02T15:50:38 < mawk> I found ze problème on youtube and I paused the video to try it myself
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2022-07-02T23:06:17 < kaki> catphish: box now
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2022-07-02T23:26:20 < catphish> kaki: where you been? i had box news and you were not here
2022-07-02T23:26:39 < kaki> work
2022-07-02T23:26:45 < kaki> except last night
2022-07-02T23:26:50 < catphish> kaki: the good news is that box is now in car! and when i plug in box, everything work
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2022-07-02T23:27:10 < kaki> hmm
2022-07-02T23:27:12 < kaki> pics?
2022-07-02T23:27:28 < kaki> it's a milestone in the project
2022-07-02T23:27:38 < catphish> box in car: https://i.imgur.com/eZBoS2O.jpg
2022-07-02T23:28:05 < catphish> box plugged in: https://i.imgur.com/riqPYFK.jpg
2022-07-02T23:28:35 < catphish> inverter works, motor spins, heater works, DC-DC converter works and supplies 13.6V to battery
2022-07-02T23:28:52 < zyp> nice
2022-07-02T23:29:30 < kaki> and the logic that controls all that?
2022-07-02T23:29:43 < kaki> flawless victory?
2022-07-02T23:31:15 < kaki> it has been quite a project
2022-07-02T23:31:31 < catphish> kaki: yep, inverter controls contactors for itself, and my charge controller controls the contactor for the heater, as well we some other stuff like enablng the DC-DC converter, and turning on the coolant pump, all works flawlessly
2022-07-02T23:31:32 < kaki> have you counted hours or workdays on that?
2022-07-02T23:31:47 < kaki> did you try charging?
2022-07-02T23:31:53 < catphish> the only thing not yet tested is the AC charger
2022-07-02T23:31:57 < catphish> no :)
2022-07-02T23:31:59 < zyp> kaki, is my welding getting better? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826884015054127104/992541189796548780/IMG_20220701_221259.jpg
2022-07-02T23:32:14 < catphish> that looks like a nice welding
2022-07-02T23:32:20 < qyx> a bit better
2022-07-02T23:32:34 < kaki> mild steel?
2022-07-02T23:32:43 < qyx> but yeah, only a bit shaky
2022-07-02T23:32:45 < kaki> with contaminants?
2022-07-02T23:32:57 < zyp> still the same galvanized profiles
2022-07-02T23:33:21 < zyp> probably got a couple hundred meters of the shit
2022-07-02T23:33:31 < kaki> zinc doesnt really want to leave the surface
2022-07-02T23:33:50 < kaki> it starts acting like liquid when you grind it
2022-07-02T23:34:19 < zyp> yeah, I'm grinding before welding, but it still leaves a little bit, I read that the grinder tends to smear a thin layer of it when you're grinding
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2022-07-02T23:34:48 < kaki> you may have noticed that grinding wheel kinda tarnishes steel with zinc at trailing edge
2022-07-02T23:35:02 < zyp> still no metal fever though :p
2022-07-02T23:35:33 < zyp> I welded up some overkill brackets yesterday: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826884015054127104/992541522228678817/IMG_20220701_230227.jpg
2022-07-02T23:35:33 < kaki> well you would need zinc burning with pillows of smoke
2022-07-02T23:36:10 < kaki> zyp: just finnish with zinc spray
2022-07-02T23:36:16 < kaki> just as is
2022-07-02T23:36:26 < zyp> I kinda did
2022-07-02T23:37:12 < kaki> hide everything in layer of grey
2022-07-02T23:37:34 < zyp> I've got this in black: https://www.biltema.fi/rakentaminen/maalit/spraymaalit/metallinsuojamaali-500-ml-2000036645
2022-07-02T23:37:50 < zyp> so I sprayed the entire thing black afterwards
2022-07-02T23:40:21 < kaki> primer with zinc very useful spray
2022-07-02T23:42:28 < zyp> yeah
2022-07-02T23:45:46 < zyp> did I show you the trailer light connection bracket I did a week or two ago?
2022-07-02T23:47:15 < kaki> steel sheet that holds socket next to trailer hitch?
2022-07-02T23:47:24 < kaki> nope
2022-07-02T23:47:25 < zyp> yeah
2022-07-02T23:47:31 < zyp> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/797468335969271818/987822468699930634/IMG_20220618_225139.jpg
2022-07-02T23:48:03 < zyp> we bought a trailer recently, light connection had the old 7-pin plug requiring an adapter to plug into modern cars, and the cable was too short to properly reach anyway
2022-07-02T23:49:18 < zyp> didn't want to cut a large enough hole for the cables through the beam for the trailer itself, so I plasma cut that bracket instead
2022-07-02T23:49:45 < zyp> cut off the old plug and terminated lights in a socket instead
2022-07-02T23:51:04 < catphish> kaki: my hope is that on monday, i will be able to finish the driveshafts, once those are done i can re-assemble the brakes, so at some point next week the car might be driveable!
2022-07-02T23:53:31 < kaki> no more codings?
2022-07-02T23:55:14 < catphish> there are some more codes to do 1) OBD-II protocol so i can have a tablet to display data (temperatures, battery data, etc) 2) low voltage cutoff for the heater and DC-DC converter
2022-07-02T23:56:16 < catphish> i also need to physically wire up the OBD-II port, there's a loop of CAN cable going to it, but it needs crimping in
2022-07-02T23:59:12 < kaki> driveline completelly coded?
--- Day changed su heinä 03 2022
2022-07-03T00:00:15 < catphish> well, it has a config that works, i'm considering changing it to a more conservative config, but yes
2022-07-03T00:01:30 < kaki> you have step or ramp thresholds for currents and temperatures?
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2022-07-03T00:09:20 < catphish> yes
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2022-07-03T00:09:40 < kaki> PaulFertser: hello
2022-07-03T00:10:13 < kaki> how is summer?
2022-07-03T00:10:14 < catphish> kaki: though i've read that openinverter isn't particularly graceful about these limits, it tries its best but often they're quite hard cuts rather than nice ramps
2022-07-03T00:11:02 < kaki> have you tried motor full speed?
2022-07-03T00:11:16 < kaki> that your inverter code can produce nice full speed?
2022-07-03T00:12:36 < catphish> kaki: well, i currently have the limit set to 10,000 (the normal setting is 18,000) but it achieves 1,000 with no trouble / unsmoothness at all
2022-07-03T00:13:02 < kaki> 1000 and 10000 have magnitude of difference
2022-07-03T00:13:20 < catphish> sorry, i meant 10,000
2022-07-03T00:13:28 < kaki> sweet
2022-07-03T00:13:46 < catphish> i have the limit set to 10,000 and it gracefully limits itself to that and sounds smooth
2022-07-03T00:14:17 < kaki> ramp limit or step limit?
2022-07-03T00:14:42 < kaki> it might be ramp if it's smooth
2022-07-03T00:14:46 < catphish> it's just a limit :) i don't know how it's enforced
2022-07-03T00:14:58 < catphish> it seems quite smooth so i think it tries to ramp
2022-07-03T00:15:25 < catphish> though even if it wasn't, the control loop runs so fast i'm not sure you'd notice
2022-07-03T00:16:09 < kaki> ye
2022-07-03T00:16:18 < catphish> i suspect this won't be an issue on the road anyway
2022-07-03T00:16:23 < kaki> ''i think you might hear something
2022-07-03T00:16:29 < catphish> i wonder how fast 10,000 / 18,000 RPM is
2022-07-03T00:16:57 < kaki> what is the final gear?
2022-07-03T00:18:18 < catphish> 9.34
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2022-07-03T00:19:48 < catphish> i make that 125km/h at 10,000 RPM
2022-07-03T00:20:09 < kaki> 35m/s
2022-07-03T00:20:47 < catphish> * 125.9 km/h
2022-07-03T00:20:49 < kaki> hell.. you need really try to get a ticket for speeding
2022-07-03T00:21:17 < kaki> in highway at least
2022-07-03T00:21:17 < catphish> seems like that wouldn't be hard at that speed
2022-07-03T00:22:14 < kaki> why you have rev limiter?
2022-07-03T00:22:18 < kaki> at 10k?
2022-07-03T00:22:18 < catphish> i could leave the limit at 10,000 RPM, since i can't legally go that fast anywhere in the UK anyway
2022-07-03T00:22:42 < kaki> on track?
2022-07-03T00:22:46 < catphish> 10k just seemed like a sensible limit for my no-load testing
2022-07-03T00:23:07 < catphish> everyone else just leaves the limit at tesla's specified 18,000 RPM
2022-07-03T00:24:42 < kaki> on track you hit limiter comming out of corner
2022-07-03T00:25:09 < kaki> if you do such track things
2022-07-03T00:25:19 < catphish> yes very likely
2022-07-03T00:25:25 < kaki> you can always raise the limiter though when you go to track
2022-07-03T00:25:50 < catphish> maybe i'll push it up to 100mph, though i'll be driving a lot more cautiously than that for a while i imagine
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2022-07-03T03:12:03 < Steffanx> Have a some short musics today kaki : https://youtube.com/shorts/Bd-Dy-hntwQ?feature=share
2022-07-03T03:12:10 < Steffanx> Maybe its some inspiration 
2022-07-03T03:12:19 < Steffanx> -a
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2022-07-03T23:35:05 < kaki> Steffanx: music now
2022-07-03T23:35:09 < kaki> music
2022-07-03T23:35:24 < kaki> did you ban laurence?
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2022-07-03T23:55:04 < Steffanx> Try yesterday's  music kaki. It was short and maybe inspirational 
2022-07-03T23:55:11 < Steffanx> And nope wasn't me
2022-07-03T23:57:54 < catphish> morning
2022-07-03T23:58:03 < kaki> morgon
--- Day changed ma heinä 04 2022
2022-07-04T00:04:02 < kaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzkC7PdRP40 musics then
2022-07-04T00:05:09 < Steffanx> That's rather unkakimusic 
2022-07-04T00:06:16 < catphish> https://www.diyelectriccar.com/threads/for-sale-tesla-x-s-gps-driver-assist-autopilot-car-computer-ecu-module-1125800-00-b.207155/
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2022-07-04T00:07:15 < kaki> catphish: you gonna bite that hook?
2022-07-04T00:08:57 < catphish> i think i did...
2022-07-04T00:09:43 < kaki> you need to provide or emulate like dozen of devices
2022-07-04T00:10:35 < catphish> his account was registered 2 days ago from nigeria
2022-07-04T00:10:51 < catphish> and his item looks suspiciously like this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234267838185
2022-07-04T00:11:22 < kaki> ah
2022-07-04T00:12:54 < Steffanx> Lol
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2022-07-04T17:02:52 < Laurenceb> what the fuuu
2022-07-04T17:02:53 < Laurenceb> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Zoxcell-100000F-2-7V-graphene-super_62450474794.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.1.49fbb775OElNk3
2022-07-04T17:02:57 < Laurenceb> surely a scam
2022-07-04T17:03:29 < Laurenceb> I mean it is technically possible based on graphene research, but chances of some random company making shit at that price...
2022-07-04T17:03:42 < Laurenceb> >100kF O_o
2022-07-04T17:03:58 < Laurenceb> 78Wh/kg
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2022-07-04T17:05:13 < Laurenceb> supposedly a graphene hybrid supercap
2022-07-04T17:06:09 < Laurenceb> https://futureofenergy.home.blog/2020/05/08/zoxcell-supercaps-their-advantages/
2022-07-04T17:06:16 < Laurenceb> epin if true
2022-07-04T17:06:20 < Laurenceb> doubt.jpg
2022-07-04T17:09:02 < BrainDamage> ask them for a sample
2022-07-04T17:09:36 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/ZSupercapacitor/status/1452529918831644679?cxt=HHwWjsCy2f2QtqgoAAAA
2022-07-04T17:09:47 < Laurenceb> needs thunderfood to deboooonk
2022-07-04T17:09:52 < Laurenceb> yeah I'll email them
2022-07-04T17:10:00 < Laurenceb> easy to test if its a scam
2022-07-04T17:10:30 < Laurenceb> its ""only"" three times better than non graphene supercaps, so technically possible based on the research
2022-07-04T17:11:04 < BrainDamage> one thing, they don't list the self discharge current
2022-07-04T17:11:11 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-04T17:12:24 < BrainDamage> mmm even with a gigantic self discharge of 1A that'd give them ~3 day worth of storage
2022-07-04T17:12:42 < Laurenceb> https://5.imimg.com/data5/SELLER/Doc/2021/5/AQ/XN/FM/1745774/super-capacitors-2-7v-3000f.pdf
2022-07-04T17:14:21 < BrainDamage> that's 3kF, not 300kF
2022-07-04T17:14:49 < Laurenceb> yeah thats their mini cell, not the big metal cased on off alibaba
2022-07-04T17:14:55 < Laurenceb> *one
2022-07-04T17:17:11 < Laurenceb> https://forums.aeva.asn.au/viewtopic.php?t=5486&start=375
2022-07-04T17:17:14 < Laurenceb> supposedly fake
2022-07-04T17:17:41 < Laurenceb> pity
2022-07-04T17:20:16 < Laurenceb> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Supercapacitor-2-7V-3000F-Super-high_62010679665.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.2.49fbb775OElNk3
2022-07-04T17:20:40 < Laurenceb> maxwell caps are available at low price.. assuming they arent fake/stolen
2022-07-04T17:23:23 < Laurenceb> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Maxwell-2-85V-3400F-supercapacitor-ups_60122423143.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.1.1386b7756MMtsv
2022-07-04T17:23:27 < Laurenceb> not bad
2022-07-04T17:25:39 < BrainDamage> yeah, that's just 10x less energy dense
2022-07-04T17:25:42 < BrainDamage> a bit more beliveable
2022-07-04T17:26:16 < Laurenceb> lol
2022-07-04T17:26:39 < Laurenceb> still good enough for some EV purposes
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2022-07-04T17:27:50 < Laurenceb> they have capbusses in Belgrade now
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2022-07-04T17:35:13 < specing> Laurenceb: nice
2022-07-04T17:38:06 < Laurenceb> https://www.sustainable-bus.com/news/chariot-motors-electric-bus-ultracapacitors/
2022-07-04T17:46:07 < specing> very nice
2022-07-04T17:53:00 < aandrew> Laurenceb: interesting. are there any real world tests so far?
2022-07-04T17:54:54 < Laurenceb> of what? The voxcell stuff?
2022-07-04T17:55:06 < aandrew> yeah
2022-07-04T17:55:14 < Laurenceb> its been exposed as a scam, lithium cells hidden inside
2022-07-04T17:55:20 < aandrew> lolwut
2022-07-04T17:55:39 < Laurenceb> read the previous pages on that forum I linked
2022-07-04T17:55:41 < aandrew> oh see I haven't finished clicking links yet
2022-07-04T17:57:49 < Laurenceb> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6409
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2022-07-04T19:19:01 < karlp> borked link.
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2022-07-04T20:51:18 < mawk> the link doesn't look like a scam
2022-07-04T20:51:24 < mawk> 30 years of projected life doesn't mean it won't discharge over 30 years
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2022-07-04T21:08:12 < Laurenceb> muricans are shooting each other to celebrate murica day
2022-07-04T21:08:18 < Laurenceb> sounds about right
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2022-07-04T22:20:30 < kaki> morgon
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2022-07-04T23:03:24 < Steffanx> No
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2022-07-05T00:54:01 < kaki> Laurenceb: caps keep exploding?
2022-07-05T00:54:22 < Laurenceb> huh
2022-07-05T00:54:32 < Laurenceb> oh not anymore, we aimed a 38mm fan at each cap
2022-07-05T00:55:14 < Laurenceb> we need hybrid electrolytics, I'll replace them soon
2022-07-05T00:55:35 < Laurenceb> looks like part of our current sensor issue is rounding errors in Ti simulink libs
2022-07-05T01:00:10 < Laurenceb> we were hoping to oversample data that had been through their code, but it seems to have about 5lsb variable rounding errors
2022-07-05T01:01:29 < Laurenceb> it only takes a few hundred mA to drive the vehicle around the yard, versus hundreds of amps at full throttle, so we need to pull some signal out of the noise
2022-07-05T01:03:48 < Laurenceb> this invertor is so crazy it cooks its gate driver decoupling caps, let alone the main decoupling caps
2022-07-05T01:04:29 < Laurenceb> main caps are water cooled PP film
2022-07-05T01:08:50 < Laurenceb> then there is a ""PCB"" made from 8mm laser cut copper sheet
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2022-07-05T02:30:50 < Laurenceb> has anyone run openblas on stm32?
2022-07-05T02:41:07 < Laurenceb> ooh https://github-wiki-see.page/m/xianyi/OpenBLAS/wiki/How-to-use-OpenBLAS-on-Cortex-M
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2022-07-05T02:53:38 < Laurenceb> should actually be possible to run gnu-octave on stm32
2022-07-05T02:54:08 < Laurenceb> not the actual runtime but c code autogenerated copies of scripts
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2022-07-05T09:02:36 < rajkosto> for a power-only usb cable, are you supposed to tie D+ and D- together ?
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2022-07-05T09:05:33 < jpa-> rajkosto: on the device end with B connector, yes
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2022-07-05T09:31:29 < zyp> power-only usb cables aren't supposed to exist in the first place
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2022-07-05T12:27:35 < karlp> that ship has sailed my friend :)
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2022-07-05T12:29:14 < jpa-> maybe the ship will turn back if you yell loud enough?
2022-07-05T12:35:42 < karlp> https://tenor.com/uL6t.gif
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2022-07-05T14:07:14 < Laurenceb> noice
2022-07-05T14:07:16 < Laurenceb> https://www.amusingplanet.com/2019/02/gyrobus-flywheel-powered-public.html
2022-07-05T14:08:38 < josuah> if you make it horizontal, the bus can still turn, but not go up/down :)
2022-07-05T14:08:54 < josuah> so the city has to be flat to not hit the gyroscopic effect
2022-07-05T14:09:02 < josuah> captivating
2022-07-05T14:11:17 < josuah> it reminds me of the much less serious https://kolo.fr/day2315.webm
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2022-07-05T14:26:49 < BrainDamage> you can have counter-rotating flywheels
2022-07-05T14:27:02 < BrainDamage> that cancels the 1st order torque
2022-07-05T14:33:27 < Laurenceb> yeah
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2022-07-05T14:49:44 < Laurenceb> lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parry_People_Movers
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2022-07-05T18:55:17 < bitmask> poke poke poke poke
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2022-07-05T18:59:43 < karlp> ouch
2022-07-05T19:06:00 < bitmask> oh, hah, i meant the food
2022-07-05T19:06:05 < bitmask> poke bowls for lunch
2022-07-05T19:08:13 < bitmask> anyone ever create an entity component system?
2022-07-05T19:08:46 < Mangy_Dog> Anyone used LibreHardwareMonitor API? Im having a nightmare trying to get GPU Package data, IE the GPU watt draw data. The libHWMon app example shows it, but the example code listed in the github for grabbing data doesnt show it. I could really do with some help spotting what im doing wrong.
2022-07-05T19:12:21 < Mangy_Dog> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879434766296952875/993912134062841876/unknown.png
2022-07-05T19:17:45 < \dev\ice> I have task to simulate GPS PPS (GPS module died) using pin. it's stm32 h7. what kind of jitter i can expect?
2022-07-05T19:18:28 < \dev\ice> and it's on freertos. idea is loop, delay, gpio togle
2022-07-05T19:18:39 < \dev\ice> on separate thread
2022-07-05T19:19:36 < BrainDamage> don't, use a timer trigger gpio on interrupt
2022-07-05T19:20:07 < BrainDamage> if done properly the jitter will be in the same order of the xtal
2022-07-05T19:20:23 < BrainDamage> which will be 10^-5 or so for your run-out-the-mill xtal
2022-07-05T19:21:32 < \dev\ice> what you suggest to use?
2022-07-05T19:31:18 < BrainDamage> is pps generation the only task on the uC?
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2022-07-05T19:36:12 < \dev\ice> nope
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2022-07-05T19:36:39 < \dev\ice> some more task, just hack to make other subsystem work after lost pps
2022-07-05T19:36:52 < benishor> https://www.onshape.com/en/
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2022-07-05T19:43:41 < karlp> are you buying it for us?
2022-07-05T19:44:01 < benishor> nah, I just made a maker account, it's free
2022-07-05T19:44:13 < benishor> as long as you're ok with your designs being publicly available, it's ok
2022-07-05T19:44:51 < karlp> right, so useless then
2022-07-05T19:45:47 < karlp> let's get people to buy into a completely closed vendor tool suite with no exit path other than pay them for the pro version of the same lock in?
2022-07-05T19:45:58 < karlp> but it's cool that I can use an app?
2022-07-05T19:46:29 < \dev\ice> :-)
2022-07-05T19:52:34 < PaulFertser> \dev\ice: are you able to choose a pin that can be set as Timer Output Compare function?
2022-07-05T19:53:33 < \dev\ice> no, it's predefined but maybe its proper
2022-07-05T19:55:47 < \dev\ice> idea - device already ir serve and not possible to change anything execpt firmware upgrade
2022-07-05T20:16:27 < qyx> if the device is already working and the GPS module outputs 1PPS for the micro, it is probably connected to a timer IC/OC channel
2022-07-05T20:16:49 < qyx> if yes, use that timer
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2022-07-05T22:47:01 < kaki> early updates
2022-07-05T22:49:00 < karlp> fuck brexit
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2022-07-05T22:50:38 < BrainDamage> what's new?
2022-07-05T22:51:48 < qyx> doing CAN on esp32c3
2022-07-05T22:56:05 < kaki> karlp: but you from iceland?
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2022-07-05T23:01:41 < Laurenceb> >bobby el crimo 3
2022-07-05T23:01:49 < Laurenceb> murica is literally gotham city at this point
2022-07-05T23:07:03 < kaki> it's not in news
2022-07-05T23:07:27 < kaki> but apparently new york is going back to past
2022-07-05T23:07:46 < kaki> criminals control the underground again
2022-07-05T23:08:26 < Laurenceb> the shooter from yesterday
2022-07-05T23:10:05 < zyp> karlp, I'm just saying, what a power only cable is supposed to do is anyone's guess when it's not even supposed to exist
2022-07-05T23:19:25 < kaki> Laurenceb: given that everyone and their grandma can buy a gun it's not such a suprise
2022-07-05T23:19:41 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-05T23:20:06 < Laurenceb> muh latest traction control scheme could consume 1T FLOP at max performance...
2022-07-05T23:20:08 < Laurenceb> nasty
2022-07-05T23:20:40 < kaki> is that really necessary?
2022-07-05T23:21:16 < kaki> I mean 1TFLOPS to have traction control?
2022-07-05T23:21:27 < BrainDamage> are you calculating each atom in the wheels?
2022-07-05T23:21:32 < Laurenceb> probably not
2022-07-05T23:21:49 < kaki> how tight is loop frequency?
2022-07-05T23:21:52 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: it simulates itself going into the future, then uses a clustering method
2022-07-05T23:21:56 < BrainDamage> how are you monitoring slippage?
2022-07-05T23:21:58 < Laurenceb> kaki: 500Hz
2022-07-05T23:22:08 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: using sensorless invertors
2022-07-05T23:22:12 < BrainDamage> so armax model
2022-07-05T23:22:15 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-05T23:23:34 < BrainDamage> you likely can create a state estimation of most of the params to reduce the model
2022-07-05T23:23:44 < BrainDamage> split out the constant stuff
2022-07-05T23:23:47 < Laurenceb> I assumed we could throw cpu cycles at it, but there is a limit
2022-07-05T23:24:08 < Laurenceb> maybe it could be optimised to GFLOPS, but still more than a pi could provide
2022-07-05T23:24:20 < Laurenceb> also it needs real time, maybe real time lunix
2022-07-05T23:24:40 < kaki> I mean average laptop integrated graphics have 1teraflop or something
2022-07-05T23:24:56 < BrainDamage> a tegra board has 10Tflop gpu
2022-07-05T23:25:25 < BrainDamage> but spending 1TFlop in traction control seems a bit absurd to me
2022-07-05T23:25:41 < BrainDamage> I'd at least throw a pca and see if you can reduce your model ...
2022-07-05T23:25:41 < kaki> it's bonkers
2022-07-05T23:26:53 < Laurenceb> hmm yeah
2022-07-05T23:26:58 < Laurenceb> maybe just run it on nvblas
2022-07-05T23:27:34 < kaki> with teraflops you can render graphics for comfuser game at decent rate
2022-07-05T23:29:27 < Laurenceb> Tegra K1 would do it
2022-07-05T23:31:22 < kaki> I mean I could play counter strike(go) @full hd @100hz or something with gpu that has 1TFLOPS cuda performance
2022-07-05T23:32:03 < kaki> or maybe 2TFLOPS but same magnitude
2022-07-05T23:35:59 < Steffanx> How many does it take to run kaki?
2022-07-05T23:36:12 < kaki> maybe 0.1
2022-07-05T23:36:44 < Steffanx> Hm
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2022-07-06T00:02:10 < karlp> zyp: yar, I just wsn't being helpful :)
2022-07-06T00:02:57 < karlp> kaki: trying to be replacement vaccum cleaner parts.  vendor seems to be proud of brexit, "only uk shipping!" https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lm3kf40fnq/product_images/uploaded_images/beldray-widget-banner.jpg
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2022-07-06T00:08:55 < karlp> zyp: hwo does this "j 1b" thing work in riscv asm? https://github.com/openwch/ch583/blob/main/EVT/EXAM/SRC/Startup/startup_CH583.S#L93  it seems to somehow magically jump to where the _IRQHandler actually is?
2022-07-06T00:09:21 < kaki> karlp: they don't know how to ddp
2022-07-06T00:09:46 < karlp> ok, https://github.com/riscv-non-isa/riscv-asm-manual/blob/master/riscv-asm.md#labels was easier to find than I thought :)
2022-07-06T00:09:50 < karlp> but..
2022-07-06T00:10:00 < karlp> no, that still would seem to mean it just jumps ina  loop?
2022-07-06T00:10:29 < kaki> karlp: or they have uk only market set by vendor deal
2022-07-06T00:11:06 < zyp> karlp, huh, no idea really
2022-07-06T00:11:26 < kaki> third option is that they dont want your money and that is unlikelly
2022-07-06T00:11:41 < karlp> I suspect the magic wch attribute is doing something fucky in the compiler.
2022-07-06T00:11:49 < karlp> kaki: that's the actual vendor
2022-07-06T00:11:49 < zyp> ah
2022-07-06T00:12:02 < zyp> If you don't remember, the label 1f means to go to the numeric label 1 FORWARD of the given position. This is the opposite of 1b, which looks for a numeric label 1 BACKWARDS of the given position.
2022-07-06T00:12:10 < kaki> karlp: use laurence as proxy
2022-07-06T00:12:17 < zyp> so 1b is shorthand for «previous label»
2022-07-06T00:12:25 < karlp> kaki: they even have an ebay shop, proudly labelled as "actual vendor!" that _also_ only ships to the uk.
2022-07-06T00:12:35 < qyx> dear friends, ESP32 CAN working in 5 minutes
2022-07-06T00:12:45 < kaki> is the vacuum nice?
2022-07-06T00:12:48 < qyx> which is like 10x faster than on STM32
2022-07-06T00:12:49 < zyp> i.e. your «1: j 1b» is just «while(1);»
2022-07-06T00:12:50 < karlp> zyp: trying to see whether I can get vectored irqs working...
2022-07-06T00:13:22 < karlp> kaki: eh, it's cheap? I managed to open a bearing in the brushbar cleaning it, and now it doesn't spin well/at all.
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2022-07-06T00:14:00 < kaki> and is not standard size bearing?
2022-07-06T00:14:02 < karlp> aiui, mode 1 of rsicv expects a table of jumps, and I suspect that jump immediate won't have enough address range for people putting things in ram or somesuch?
2022-07-06T00:14:12 < karlp> kaki: lol, it's a custom plastic bushing 
2022-07-06T00:14:41 < kaki> you put oil on it and it doesn't spin anymore?
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2022-07-06T00:15:30 < karlp> I don't want to open it and make it worse again right now, and spare parts are _advertised_ as existing and having reasonable prices.... just ... not delivered :)
2022-07-06T00:15:37 < karlp> I have options, just a general fuck brexit :)
2022-07-06T00:18:08 < karlp> trying to test some mounriver shits and objdump to see what finally ends up in the vector tables :)
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2022-07-06T01:02:51 < karlp> aight, I think I'm not ever going to have sanity long enough to decode the extra wch modes.  
2022-07-06T01:03:13 < karlp> options a) work out standard riscv mode 1 on gd32v which is better documented, see if that gets anywhere, 
2022-07-06T01:03:36 < karlp> b) just stick with direct handled mode, and work on something useful?
2022-07-06T01:20:46 < karlp> I already regret reading gd32v cpu arch docs :)
2022-07-06T01:20:55 < zyp> haha
2022-07-06T01:21:12 < karlp> gives me more perspective, but not sure it was actually useful :)
2022-07-06T01:21:34 < karlp> pcbs for the wch ble project are at the post office, I shuld just work on the project itself I guess :)
2022-07-06T01:21:46 < zyp> I need to find time to play with the wch stuff one day, my collection recently grew
2022-07-06T01:22:07 < karlp> yup, think I'm just going to pretend vectored and custom vectored modes don't exist right now. I don't need interrupt latency....
2022-07-06T01:22:08 < zyp> just need to finish up integrating and merging the orbtrace swo support first :)
2022-07-06T01:22:33 < karlp> sounds like it's going well though?
2022-07-06T01:23:00 < zyp> yeah, I've used it for real projects at work recently
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2022-07-06T01:24:58 < zyp> autobauding manchester mode is awesome, needs no configuration, no working out «what speed am I actually dividing from and to», shit just works as long as it falls within the supported speed range and signal integrity isn't shit (because default drive on nrf52 is weak)
2022-07-06T01:28:07 < zyp> the remaining stuff to be done is mostly integration, putting in muxes between JTDO and SWO handling and between SWO and parallel trace in the trace pipeline
2022-07-06T01:28:22 < zyp> making sure everything plays nicely together
2022-07-06T01:38:36 < kaki>  did you know: domestication of the cat is the greatest innovation in human history
2022-07-06T01:46:02 < kaki> before cats food had to be consumed without delay
2022-07-06T01:49:49 < qyx> wat
2022-07-06T01:50:43 < kaki> food = crops
2022-07-06T01:57:30 < mawk> https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/04/geehy-apm32f103-clone-of-stm32f103-mcu-has-been-tested-to-work-without-pcb-or-code-modifications/
2022-07-06T01:58:01 < kaki> or in this case I mean anything that would attract mouse and rats when piled up
2022-07-06T01:58:57 < mawk> my cat would be afraid of rats
2022-07-06T01:59:50 < kaki> piling up food = civilization
2022-07-06T01:59:59 < catphish> electronics question of the day... i have this circuit: https://i.imgur.com/dW1zAOU.png it has a major flaw, D5 has enough capacitance that even when EVSE_CP is at -12V, noise on that line still turns on Q6, what is the best solution here, my current thinking is to combine replacement of D5 with a low-capacitance diode, replace Q6 with a mosfet, and add an additional 2k7 resistor between D5 and GND
2022-07-06T02:00:22 < kaki> or instead of = I mean results into
2022-07-06T02:02:18 < kaki> hello catphish
2022-07-06T02:02:26 < kaki> pulldown resistor
2022-07-06T02:04:42 < kaki> hmm
2022-07-06T02:04:48 < catphish> it *must* be pulles down by exactly 2.7k
2022-07-06T02:05:22 < kaki> ah
2022-07-06T02:05:24 < catphish> so my thinking is pull it down with 2.7k then place mosfet (instead of bjt) after
2022-07-06T02:06:23 < kaki> maybe the problem isn't in this circuit but whatever is pulling MCU_CP up is not enough
2022-07-06T02:07:22 < kaki> I mean the noise via capacitance of diode.. that's not much current
2022-07-06T02:07:49 < mawk> if there's noise why not add a capacitor somewhere 
2022-07-06T02:07:58 < catphish> i think i chose a particularly poor diode here
2022-07-06T02:08:24 < kaki> how bad is the noise?
2022-07-06T02:08:28 < catphish> actually a capacitor may actually be all that's needed here
2022-07-06T02:08:54 < kaki> do you have any characteristics of that noise?
2022-07-06T02:10:13 < catphish> nothing precise, but iirc from looking at the scope, it was a couple of hundred mV into that 2.7k load
2022-07-06T02:10:53 < catphish> enough to overpower the MCU's pull-up
2022-07-06T02:11:20 < catphish> but i've basically built a noise amplifier here
2022-07-06T02:11:51 < catphish> i do wonder if a simple external capacitor is all that's needed here though
2022-07-06T02:12:40 < catphish> so i'll try that first
2022-07-06T02:12:44 < mawk> hundred mV noise makes 30mA in Q6
2022-07-06T02:12:50 < mawk> if I computed correctly 
2022-07-06T02:13:38 < mawk> but that depends how many hundreds
2022-07-06T02:14:53 < mawk> I would think using a mosfet makes it worse
2022-07-06T02:15:11 < catphish> pullup is up to 80k, not much current at all at 3.3V
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2022-07-06T02:15:45 < kaki> it could
2022-07-06T02:16:29 < catphish> a strong pull-up, or a capacitor, or both, will probably fix this
2022-07-06T02:16:34 < kaki> yes
2022-07-06T02:16:47 < kaki> no mosfet
2022-07-06T02:17:23 < catphish> the idea of a mosfet is that i could then pull-down the gate
2022-07-06T02:18:06 < kaki> in that case that works
2022-07-06T02:18:12 < catphish> not sure why i didn't do that in the first place
2022-07-06T02:18:35 < catphish> in this case, i would put a 2.7k resistor from gate to GND
2022-07-06T02:19:07 < catphish> it would pull down the line by the required 2.7k but without that current going through the switch
2022-07-06T02:20:28 < kaki> you still might need harder pull up for mcu_cp given the noise
2022-07-06T02:20:49 < catphish> probably a good idea
2022-07-06T02:20:56 < catphish> and an easy hack
2022-07-06T02:23:20 < kaki> hmm but exposing gate to some external connector and device like that
2022-07-06T02:23:55 < kaki> how much that pin is speced to survive voltage and what are normal voltage ranges?
2022-07-06T02:25:05 < catphish> it expects to see -12V to +12V
2022-07-06T02:26:02 < kaki> you could use mosfet with gate absolute maximum of 20volts
2022-07-06T02:26:03 < catphish> a full redesign might look like this: https://i.imgur.com/IVzkKBr.png
2022-07-06T02:26:48 < kaki> ah nice
2022-07-06T02:26:57 < kaki> some series resistance there
2022-07-06T02:27:23 < kaki> but hey
2022-07-06T02:27:27 < kaki> try it out first
2022-07-06T02:27:33 < catphish> i didn't calculate the RC time constant there, so might need tuning
2022-07-06T02:27:40 < kaki> before ordering pcbs
2022-07-06T02:27:54 < catphish> but the truth is that this is last minute bug fixing so if i can just add a cap, i will
2022-07-06T02:28:15 < catphish> a respin is expsnsive
2022-07-06T02:28:41 < kaki> i dont see why bjt solution wouldn't work
2022-07-06T02:29:10 < kaki> add a cap, add a resistor, try stuff
2022-07-06T02:29:45 < catphish> my diode has a capacitance of 500pF, i believe this is quite high
2022-07-06T02:29:56 < catphish> yeah i think i will try stuff :)
2022-07-06T02:31:19 < kaki> 500pF wtf
2022-07-06T02:32:06 < kaki> generic 1000volt 1amp diode is like 12
2022-07-06T02:32:29 < catphish> china special diode
2022-07-06T02:32:54 < catphish> i really didn't think the properties of this diode mattered when i bought it
2022-07-06T02:33:47 < kaki> I mean.. how did you find such diode did you select "extra capacitance"
2022-07-06T02:34:27 < catphish> lol, i have no  idea, i guess someone else used it in a design, and i thought yep, that's a diode that works
2022-07-06T02:35:01 < kaki> what is it?
2022-07-06T02:35:20 < catphish> it's a SS54 Schottky
2022-07-06T02:35:26 < catphish> basically a power diode
2022-07-06T02:35:45 < kaki> ah it's schottky
2022-07-06T02:35:48 < catphish> yeah
2022-07-06T02:35:55 < kaki> that makes sense
2022-07-06T02:37:05 < catphish> this is a minor aside to my main noise problem :(
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2022-07-06T02:37:44 < catphish> my BMS which i thought i'd perfected is insanely sensitive to noise in the HV system :(
2022-07-06T02:38:16 < kaki> you have 5v amplitude now at transducer?
2022-07-06T02:38:25 < catphish> yes
2022-07-06T02:38:42 < kaki> that's great difference though
2022-07-06T02:38:49 < kaki> what else is new?
2022-07-06T02:39:32 < catphish> i have noise generated by both the charger and the inverter that completely obliterates the signal
2022-07-06T02:39:42 < catphish> my guess is that this must be common mode noise
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2022-07-06T02:40:10 < catphish> but just way too much to easily filter
2022-07-06T02:41:06 < kaki> how long is the pair now?
2022-07-06T02:41:25 < catphish> this is in my car, line is about 100mm
2022-07-06T02:41:36 < kaki> 10cm?
2022-07-06T02:41:39 < catphish> yes
2022-07-06T02:41:42 < catphish> but the noise isn't coming from the line
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2022-07-06T02:41:54 < catphish> (at least, i don't think it is)
2022-07-06T02:42:16 < catphish> it disappears 100% if i unplug line from battery
2022-07-06T02:42:41 < kaki> maybe it's DC-DC?
2022-07-06T02:43:00 < catphish> so my thinking is that the noise is actually common mode, with the HV batteries being coupled to GND somewhere
2022-07-06T02:43:39 < catphish> the noise is huge (10V+) of high frequency mess
2022-07-06T02:43:58 < kaki> you ordered those new chokes?
2022-07-06T02:44:12 < kaki> tried them on?
2022-07-06T02:44:15 < catphish> yes
2022-07-06T02:44:29 < catphish> in fact i did a whole board respin with the larger chokes
2022-07-06T02:44:50 < catphish> (and the 5v signal level)
2022-07-06T02:45:48 < catphish> but i think this design is designed to deal with pretty small differential between adjacent batteries
2022-07-06T02:46:26 < kaki> yes
2022-07-06T02:46:35 < catphish> where the potential difference between the HV system and my LV system is who knows what
2022-07-06T02:46:55 < catphish> they'e in theory isolated but in practice probably not totally isolated
2022-07-06T02:46:58 < kaki> but I dont think they isolate bms from LV
2022-07-06T02:47:26 < catphish> my BMS is running at LV, the battery slaves are at HV
2022-07-06T02:48:11 < catphish> those 2 systems are in theory isolated, but it wouldn't surprise me if there's some coupling somewhere in the charger
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2022-07-06T02:50:11 < kaki> at least the motor itself might capacitivelly couple switching to chassis
2022-07-06T02:50:38 < kaki> where as your bms is sitting at lowest cell
2022-07-06T02:50:52 < catphish> my BMS is actually at HV+ (highest cell)
2022-07-06T02:51:05 < kaki> interesting
2022-07-06T02:51:08 < kaki> :o
2022-07-06T02:51:36 < catphish> rather, my BMS is at chassis GND, but it *talks to* the highest cell
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2022-07-06T02:51:58 < catphish> the slave (ADC) is at HV+ potential
2022-07-06T02:52:14 < catphish> an odd design choice i thought
2022-07-06T02:52:21 < kaki50> idk if it matters
2022-07-06T02:52:26 < catphish> in theory no
2022-07-06T02:53:55 < catphish> anyway i have some ideas, #1 idea is to put a transformer in the data line
2022-07-06T02:54:50 < catphish> i've ordered some 10Mbps Ethernet transformers, i feel like they *should* work. but it's a bit of a gamble
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2022-07-06T02:55:30 < kaki50> hmm
2022-07-06T02:56:03 < catphish> option #2 is to give up and cry
2022-07-06T02:56:52 < catphish> option #3 is to isolate my BMS master, running the whole thing at B+ instead of chassis GND
2022-07-06T02:57:15 < catphish> this is a lot more complicated (isolated power supply and isolated CAN needed)
2022-07-06T02:57:21 < kaki50> yes
2022-07-06T02:58:13 < kaki50> are you running hv lines as tight pair symmetrically?
2022-07-06T02:58:50 < catphish> the data lines? yes. the actual power lines, not at all
2022-07-06T02:59:41 < catphish> the data lines between the HV ADC and the LV BMS master are a twisted pair
2022-07-06T02:59:47 < kaki50> yes
2022-07-06T02:59:57 < catphish> the high current power lines are all over the place
2022-07-06T03:03:00 < kaki50> even if those lines were symmetrical and would be coupled equally to chassis
2022-07-06T03:03:31 < kaki50> there would be still common mode noise
2022-07-06T03:03:52 < catphish> step 1 is to run the BMS from my laptop battery by USB and see if the problem goes away, if it does this will confirm the problem at least
2022-07-06T03:03:54 < kaki50> like half of maximum or something
2022-07-06T03:04:30 < catphish> ie disconnect BMS from chassis GND and test
2022-07-06T03:04:34 < kaki50> yes
2022-07-06T03:05:41 < kaki50> is the problem only when you get power out of inverter or have charger plugged in?
2022-07-06T03:05:45 < kaki50> and charging
2022-07-06T03:05:51 < catphish> yes
2022-07-06T03:06:07 < kaki50> if you have inverter powered and not switching - no problem?
2022-07-06T03:06:21 < catphish> correct
2022-07-06T03:06:38 < catphish> also, if i run HV heater (resistive load) no problem
2022-07-06T03:07:08 < kaki50> when do you get the transformer?
2022-07-06T03:07:10 < catphish> but any high speed switching on HV causes problem
2022-07-06T03:07:23 < catphish> tomorrow
2022-07-06T03:08:54 < catphish> i was quite excited about the possibility of having my car on the road next week, and i can still do that, so this is a very annoying distraction
2022-07-06T03:09:58 < kaki50> make a car - works as planned on first try
2022-07-06T03:10:50 < catphish> i was getting my hopes up before, everything worked on first try, charging was the final test
2022-07-06T03:11:22 < catphish> i was prepared not to care about BMS not working during driving (inverter has its own low voltage cutoff)
2022-07-06T03:11:33 < catphish> but it really does need to work during charging
2022-07-06T03:11:51 < kaki50> have you updated the forums?
2022-07-06T03:12:01 < catphish> yes, continuously
2022-07-06T03:24:08 < kaki50> I think you are not first to hit your toe on this
2022-07-06T03:24:15 < kaki50> *the first
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2022-07-06T03:33:11 < kaki50> it's exotic configuration though
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2022-07-06T08:03:47 < Jookia> I have a noob question: When connecting a FT232-based SWD adapter to a blue pill board with a LED also attached to that pin, why does it seem to be unable to pull low to GND? It stays between 2.6V and 3.3V. The clock signal is there, but it doesn't go to 0V
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2022-07-06T08:08:12 < Jookia> (Obviously connecting an LED to a data pin is a not smart move and I plan to rectify this later)
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2022-07-06T08:13:02 < Jookia> I've checked the SWD adapter schematics and the blue pill schematics and I don't see any pull-ups, so my only thought is that the FT232 is doing something weird and not pulling to GND but instead acting as a current source
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2022-07-06T09:13:21 < jpa-> Jookia: maybe it is just strongly driving that pin to VCC?
2022-07-06T09:23:47 < Jookia> the FT232? the stm32 shouldn't be, it's at reset time
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2022-07-06T11:22:34 < PaulFertser> Jookia: I suggest you put that bluepill switch into "boot UART bootloader" mode, then you can be sure it's not driving SWD.
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2022-07-06T13:29:17 < mawk> I have a buck converter going 115°C with a 600mA load
2022-07-06T13:29:25 < mawk> is that expected? it's melting my enclosure
2022-07-06T13:29:26 < mawk> https://datasheet.lcsc.com/lcsc/2001171834_Silergy-Corp-SY8089A1AAC_C479074.pdf
2022-07-06T13:29:28 < mawk> it's this 
2022-07-06T13:29:59 < qyx> sounds ez
2022-07-06T13:30:16 < mawk> wat
2022-07-06T13:33:08 < karlp> hrm, at 5V, it claims 90% effic at 600mA, so 3W consumed, 0.3333 wasted, 120°C/W, 40°C rise if you meet all their conditions...
2022-07-06T13:33:35 < karlp> and that would be things like 2oz copper and huge boards, so 60°C rise wouldn't be wildly unheard of?
2022-07-06T13:33:35 < mawk> hmm yes
2022-07-06T13:33:44 < karlp> sot23-x is a shitty package for thermal dissipation in general
2022-07-06T13:33:48 < qyx> but 115 is too much
2022-07-06T13:33:48 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-06T13:33:52 < mawk> thanks 
2022-07-06T13:34:00 < karlp> 115-what, 30? yeah, still seems very high.
2022-07-06T13:34:12 < qyx> 115 °C
2022-07-06T13:34:14 < karlp> my ap63357 wsa getting ~double what the datasheet said I should be getting though.
2022-07-06T13:34:59 < karlp> you're looking at a 90-95°C rise?
2022-07-06T13:35:18 < karlp> what's the ratings on the inductor? youcould be overheating significantly there too.
2022-07-06T13:39:22 < mawk> I'm on the street, I'll look again when I come back
2022-07-06T13:39:27 < mawk> thanks
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2022-07-06T13:48:04 < englishman> hey zyp , it’s been at least a year, how is the new car? I’m thinking of trading in the tesla as i can get a great price for it
2022-07-06T13:49:30 < zyp> not a full year, I got it in october
2022-07-06T13:49:37 < zyp> but yeah, I like it
2022-07-06T13:49:49 < zyp> would buy again
2022-07-06T13:51:44 < englishman> which trim level?
2022-07-06T13:56:30 < mawk> what's trim level
2022-07-06T13:57:46 < karlp> which one again? did you get an ioniq or something?
2022-07-06T13:58:08 < zyp> ioniq 5
2022-07-06T13:58:43 < zyp> englishman, idk, premium or something, they only sell one level in norway
2022-07-06T13:58:47 < englishman> I’ll go see if they have any stock
2022-07-06T13:58:51 < englishman> ah Ok
2022-07-06T13:59:14 < englishman> the top trim here has 20 inch wheels which is a big turn off but besides that the car looks great on paper
2022-07-06T13:59:55 < zyp> ah, that's a separate option here
2022-07-06T14:00:46 < zyp> I could pick rwd/awd, 19"/20" wheels and whether I wanted glass roof or not
2022-07-06T14:01:24 < englishman> well first thing is to go see if they have stock i guess
2022-07-06T14:01:36 < zyp> yeah, good luck with that
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2022-07-06T14:02:04 < englishman> the tesla has gone up in price a bunch, plus it is no longer eligible for the govt rebates, but the hyundai is, that’s another 13k
2022-07-06T14:02:25 < englishman> well even if its 6 months i could get in line and just keep the tesla
2022-07-06T14:02:37 < zyp> true
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2022-07-06T15:00:42 < josuah> while cleaning dust, I have found, within the dust, a 0603 SMD led
2022-07-06T15:01:01 < josuah> maybe if I do a heavy-duty spring cleanup I will find an SMT32
2022-07-06T15:01:09 < josuah> ^ modern era gold digger
2022-07-06T15:26:44 < Laurenceb> there are plenty of stm32 on ebay
2022-07-06T15:29:25 < specing> and on aliexpress
2022-07-06T15:32:18 < jpa-> and if you want genuine ones, lcsc has some models
2022-07-06T15:32:44 < specing> probably the same models as available on ali
2022-07-06T15:33:04 < specing> F401, F411, F103, ..
2022-07-06T15:37:10 < jpa-> it's easy to buy any chip, harder if it actually has to work beyond just having the correct text on top of it
2022-07-06T15:38:05 < jpa-> i wonder how many fake STM32F103's Mangy_Dog has bought already
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2022-07-06T15:38:17 < Mangy_Dog> lately?
2022-07-06T15:38:19 < Mangy_Dog> none
2022-07-06T15:38:20 < Mangy_Dog> :p
2022-07-06T15:38:23 < Mangy_Dog> over the years
2022-07-06T15:38:27 < Mangy_Dog> maybe 30
2022-07-06T15:38:32 < Mangy_Dog> mostly in one batch
2022-07-06T15:38:35 < Mangy_Dog> or two
2022-07-06T15:39:47 < Mangy_Dog> i saw that there might be a new silicon clone of the f103 doing the rounds
2022-07-06T15:39:53 < Mangy_Dog> even lcsc stock it
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2022-07-06T17:22:19 < bastian> anyone ever use i2c with dma as a slave device?
2022-07-06T17:22:51 < bastian> for some reason the slave transmit with dma doesnt somehow reset to a clean state with dma after initial successful transmission but it works fine without dma
2022-07-06T17:23:08 < bastian> wondering if somehow the EnableListen_IT should get moved to some DMA complete callback
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2022-07-06T20:46:23 < Jookia> PaulFertser: Ooh, that's an idea. The only problem is I soldered it out of that mode. Oh well I'll fix it
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2022-07-06T21:01:34 < PaulFertser> Jookia: if you pull /RESET to GND permanently you should also get stable SWD communication (but unable to run the core of course).
2022-07-06T21:01:52 < Jookia> interesting. I'll try all those today
2022-07-06T21:02:04 < PaulFertser> I wouldn't trust stlink's reset control especially if it's a clone stlink.
2022-07-06T21:02:10 < Jookia> my use case here is that I wired up a blue pill to a keyboard and said to myself 'I'll never need to replace the bootloader'
2022-07-06T21:02:36 < Jookia> I need to replace the bootloader
2022-07-06T21:03:20 < PaulFertser> I have a keyboard where its author decided SWD was never needed so it's not even routed to testpoints so debugging QMK is a real PITA.
2022-07-06T21:05:56 < Jookia> nice!
2022-07-06T21:06:56  * PaulFertser starts to imagine some obscure cases when PITA can be considered nice for real
2022-07-06T21:07:15 < Jookia> probably if you don't want people to fix or reverse engineer things you make
2022-07-06T21:09:06 < PaulFertser> Probably if you want to find a good excuse to not have anal sex and you have minor PITA that might be considered nice in a way.
2022-07-06T21:09:50 < BrainDamage> it's the name of a bread
2022-07-06T21:11:28 < catphish> morning
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2022-07-06T23:21:19 < kaki> catphish: box now
2022-07-06T23:24:13 < kaki> box
2022-07-06T23:24:40 < catphish> kaki: 1) simple capacitor fix works: https://i.imgur.com/QdoIlUa.jpg
2022-07-06T23:25:09 < catphish> 2) running BMS from laptop battery USB works, so problem is definitely common mode
2022-07-06T23:25:28 < kaki> 1) add adhesive
2022-07-06T23:25:37 < catphish> hot glue will be added :)
2022-07-06T23:26:29 < kaki> 2) did you get the transformer?
2022-07-06T23:26:38 < catphish> ethernet transformers have arrived, not tested yet
2022-07-06T23:27:42 < catphish> also today: re-installed brake lines and installed new cabin blower pipe
2022-07-06T23:27:48 < kaki> can ethernet transformer do 400VDC?
2022-07-06T23:27:49 < catphish> https://i.imgur.com/C0OeUZs.jpg
2022-07-06T23:27:58 < kaki> you will have caps in addition?
2022-07-06T23:28:41 < kaki> I think ethernet transformers go to some multiple of 1000V but I don't know if it's DC
2022-07-06T23:28:57 < catphish> kaki: caps are redundant if transformer works, transformer is 1000V+ rated
2022-07-06T23:29:03 < kaki> yes
2022-07-06T23:29:20 < catphish> if it helps, i will bypass them
2022-07-06T23:31:38 < qyx> catphone comms reestablished!
2022-07-06T23:39:52 < qyx> I am curious what the problem was
2022-07-06T23:40:00 < catphish> which problem?
2022-07-06T23:40:29 < catphish> my problem is noise between my HV and LV systems
2022-07-06T23:40:31 < qyx> capstone satellite comms died yesterday
2022-07-06T23:40:35 < catphish> oh
2022-07-06T23:40:42 < qyx> it was reestablished today
2022-07-06T23:40:52 < catphish> i assumed catphone was a reference to me :D
2022-07-06T23:41:22 < qyx> you are captish
2022-07-06T23:42:24 < qyx> at least my dyslexia though for a long time
2022-07-06T23:52:12 < Steffanx> Don't you know by now to not trust your dyslexia?
2022-07-06T23:56:47 < kaki> catphone
2022-07-06T23:57:13 < kaki> somebody feed that to that AI thing
--- Day changed to heinä 07 2022
2022-07-07T00:00:59 < catphish> so today i drove (and tuned a little) a range rover with a tesla large drive unit in it
2022-07-07T00:04:54 < Steffanx> I want to see that fiat 126p drive around 
2022-07-07T00:05:31 < catphish> the tesla LDU is insanely powerful, the 2-tonne car has quite scary amounts of acceleration
2022-07-07T00:06:30 < catphish> there's a video from today of them drifting an electric fiat 500 round the carpark
2022-07-07T00:08:23 < catphish> i look forward to seeing how fast my roadster can accelerate with the tesla motor
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2022-07-07T00:23:39 < Laurenceb> keeek based boris
2022-07-07T00:35:43 < Laurenceb> the absolute state of simulink
2022-07-07T00:35:51 < Laurenceb> >someone put codez inside an ISR
2022-07-07T00:36:00 < Laurenceb> >now its really hard to interface with
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2022-07-07T02:11:30 < karlp> lol, bought some music online.  the server I get to download from doesn't report file sizes, and it's only offering ~25kB/sec downloads....
2022-07-07T02:13:41 < karlp> zyp: you got a "better" hot air station right? you were keen on the ones that have an air tube insted of a fan in the handle? what's really different about that?
2022-07-07T02:14:54 < karlp> like something like https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004082597082.html vs a "normal" https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003342882202.html
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2022-07-07T02:15:09 < karlp> I mean, presets and a nicer wheel and a nicer lcd sure, but... in actual usability?
2022-07-07T02:20:18 < zyp> idk, I haven't tried those
2022-07-07T02:29:29 < karlp> ok. I've only used on of those 858D. and.... it's fine? but not sure what to compare it too :)
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2022-07-07T02:29:58 < karlp> looking at being a proper consumer for my birthdy and buying some stuff for home to have  my own instead of what I bought for the office.
2022-07-07T02:33:36 < karlp> so it's a mix of "I can pay more and get nicer" and "is it actyually nicer?"
2022-07-07T02:46:30 < zyp> I'm happy with the one I got, but the only thing I've got to compare to is a metcal or something at the office
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2022-07-07T02:51:51 < karlp> yeah, fair enough.
2022-07-07T02:52:04 < karlp> I think I might ignore a hot air right now, 
2022-07-07T02:52:55 < karlp> still trying to decide on a aixun t3X handle size.  got a 25yo genuine hakko 936, but it's a clunker to pull out for occasional home soldering so I put off shit until I can take it to the office
2022-07-07T03:19:16 < Mangy_Dog> https://twitter.com/MD_Builds/status/1544836546800541696
2022-07-07T03:21:49 < karlp> what are the exposed pad arrays for here: https://youtu.be/Ds2Xq3dwV30?t=731 and https://youtu.be/Ds2Xq3dwV30?t=439 ? is that trying to improve pcb manufacturing yield, or is that trying to increase heat dissipation without causing problems by having too much exposed?
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2022-07-07T03:49:14 < karlp> aight, fuck a hot air at home. that can  be later.
2022-07-07T03:49:43 < karlp> bought a t210 aixun setup, not nano shit, but not jumbotron shit either 
2022-07-07T04:41:48 < Jookia> do i need bootloader mode if i have SWD?
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2022-07-07T09:55:35 < PaulFertser> Jookia: not really
2022-07-07T09:55:58 < PaulFertser> Jookia: it's just that on vanilla bluepill it's easy to switch to bootloader mode to ensure working SWD
2022-07-07T09:56:08 < Jookia> ah
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2022-07-07T10:40:57 < srk> Jookia: o/
2022-07-07T10:41:14 < Jookia> o/
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2022-07-07T11:00:21 < jpa-> karlp: maybe they've prepared for reflowing a solid piece of copper on top if the trace would heat up too much otherwise
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2022-07-07T11:24:57 < Ecco> Hi guys :)
2022-07-07T11:25:09 < Ecco> I have an interesting bug on an STM32H7
2022-07-07T11:25:31 < Ecco> Depending on how I build my code, the power usage in standby mode will either be 11uA (expected and good) or 800uA
2022-07-07T11:25:53 < Ecco> Pretty much the exact same code. Just adding a few "nops" and rebuilding can switch from the "good" case to the bad one
2022-07-07T11:26:05 < Ecco> Would you guys have any idea what might be going on here?
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2022-07-07T11:27:42 < jpa-> Ecco: are you measuring after a power-on reset in both cases? otherwise the debug interface can stay active if you have used it to program the new code
2022-07-07T11:28:26 < Ecco> Yeah, there is no debugger attached whatsoever
2022-07-07T11:28:43 < Ecco> The code has been flashed, and the device powered down and then back up in each case
2022-07-07T11:29:21 < jpa-> floating inputs can do such things, but usually it will depend on whether your hands are in your pockets or not
2022-07-07T11:30:27 < Ecco> What do you mean? I think I set all the GPIOs as analog input
2022-07-07T11:30:29 < jpa-> adding nops will change a timing of all code in the firmware (because of cache & flash prefetch), but then there would have to be some timing-dependent bug in your standby code
2022-07-07T11:30:57 < Ecco> Indeed. But I really fail to see what would be timing-depending in the standby code
2022-07-07T11:31:08 < jpa-> do you disable interrupts?
2022-07-07T11:31:21 < jpa-> maybe you get some WFI vs. interrupt race condition
2022-07-07T11:33:04 < Ecco> what would happen in that scenario?
2022-07-07T11:34:20 < jpa-> depends on the code you use to enter standby
2022-07-07T11:35:09 < Ecco> Well, the code I use is very simple. It's 4 instructions.
2022-07-07T11:35:16 < jpa-> so, pastebin it?
2022-07-07T11:35:17 < Ecco> sev; wfe; nop; wfe;
2022-07-07T11:36:06 < Ecco> I'm not a 100% sure why I have a nop there to be honest
2022-07-07T11:36:14 < Ecco> But the technique is identical to the one described there : https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ka001269/latest
2022-07-07T11:37:54 < jpa-> what happens after that code, if the second wfe returns (due to some unexpected event)?
2022-07-07T11:40:36 < Ecco> Well, that's a good question
2022-07-07T11:40:52 < Ecco> And an interesting path to look at
2022-07-07T11:40:59 < Ecco> Let me look at this and report back :)
2022-07-07T11:41:01 < Ecco> thanks!
2022-07-07T11:41:03 < jpa-> :)
2022-07-07T11:43:06 < jpa-> if you have LPTIM configured, errata 2.10.1 may also be relevant - though LPTIM does not work in standby mode anyway
2022-07-07T11:51:58 < qyx> 800 uA sounds like debug interface active
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2022-07-07T12:00:40 < Ecco> qyx: yeah, but there's no debugger plugged in
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2022-07-07T12:30:57 < mawk> is the uart interrupt TXE level-triggered?
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2022-07-07T12:31:05 < mawk> like if it fires and I clear it, will it fire again
2022-07-07T12:35:14 < jpa-> mawk: only way to clear TXE bit is to write to the USART_DR, at which point the TX register is no longer empty
2022-07-07T12:35:28 < jpa-> but yes, it will fire again when the register gets empty again
2022-07-07T12:35:42 < mawk> ah right
2022-07-07T12:36:30 < mawk> thanks
2022-07-07T12:37:36 < jpa-> :)
2022-07-07T12:47:35 < catphish_> kaki: the BMS works on the bench (no noise) with a transformer inserted into the data line, so i will build a little transformer board to see if it solves the problem
2022-07-07T12:59:53 < Laurenceb> anyone here any good with iptables?
2022-07-07T12:59:55 < Laurenceb>  0     0 DROP       udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpt:1251 u32 "0x1c&0x1f000000=0x9000000"
2022-07-07T13:00:11 < Laurenceb> ^this rule isnt working, its meant to check first byte of payload
2022-07-07T13:01:16 < qyx> isn't there a u8 rule?
2022-07-07T13:02:30 < Laurenceb> dunno
2022-07-07T13:02:40 < Laurenceb> I've checked this with /dev/udp
2022-07-07T13:02:49 < Laurenceb> but something is wrong with my rule...
2022-07-07T13:03:26 < Laurenceb> sending data to /dev/udp and it seems to work, I'll test again
2022-07-07T13:04:02 < Laurenceb> how do I get hex on command line?
2022-07-07T13:04:39 < Laurenceb> nvm, xxd -r -p
2022-07-07T13:06:56 < Laurenceb> ok wut... now its not working
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2022-07-07T13:10:21 < Laurenceb> ok wtf
2022-07-07T13:10:30 < Laurenceb> I cant make iptables block now
2022-07-07T13:12:09 < Laurenceb> http://www.stearns.org/doc/iptables-u32.current.html
2022-07-07T13:12:17 < Laurenceb> I've had this working before...
2022-07-07T13:12:31 < catphish_> i am good with iptables :)
2022-07-07T13:13:06 < catphish_> Laurenceb: please post iptables-save version, i can't read that -L crap
2022-07-07T13:13:22 < Laurenceb> sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp --dport 1251 -m u32 --u32 "27 & 0x1F000000 = 0x33000000" -j DROP
2022-07-07T13:13:23 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-07T13:13:35 < Laurenceb> 1.8.7
2022-07-07T13:14:07 < Laurenceb> I tried with 27,28, and 29
2022-07-07T13:14:11 < catphish_> dumb test, does it drop the packets if you remove the u32 check?
2022-07-07T13:14:13 < Laurenceb> it should be 28 in theory
2022-07-07T13:14:42 < catphish_> humour me: sudo iptables -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp --dport 1251 -j DROP
2022-07-07T13:15:02 < catphish_> make sure you're not allowing it with a conntrack rule for example
2022-07-07T13:15:06 < Laurenceb> yeah that works
2022-07-07T13:15:44 < catphish_> make sure you put this before any conntrack rules, or you'll have a bad (seemingly unpredictable) time
2022-07-07T13:16:10 < catphish_> because it'll only be blocked if it's the first packet in the stream (sorry if you know this already)
2022-07-07T13:17:12 < Laurenceb> nope I'm no expert on this
2022-07-07T13:17:19 < Laurenceb> whats a conntrack rule?
2022-07-07T13:17:22 < catphish_> can you paste your whole ruleset?
2022-07-07T13:17:57 < catphish_> conntrack rules look like "-m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED"
2022-07-07T13:18:15 < catphish_> most people have this at the start of their ruleset, to allow any packet that belongs to an already allowed connection
2022-07-07T13:18:31 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/ypeFbT1a
2022-07-07T13:18:48 < catphish_> please iptables -D
2022-07-07T13:18:52 < catphish_> *iptables -D
2022-07-07T13:18:53 < Jookia> iptables-save
2022-07-07T13:18:55 < catphish_> arrrrrggh
2022-07-07T13:19:02 < catphish_> **********  iptables -S
2022-07-07T13:19:27 < catphish_> what Jookia said
2022-07-07T13:19:36 < Laurenceb> what does that do?
2022-07-07T13:19:44 < Jookia> outputs your iptables rules
2022-07-07T13:19:49 < catphish_> it prints a version of the rules that makes sense to nerds
2022-07-07T13:19:59 < specing> lol
2022-07-07T13:20:24 < Laurenceb> https://pastebin.com/jepLtVbU
2022-07-07T13:20:31 < catphish_> thanks, much better
2022-07-07T13:20:38 < catphish_> iptables -L is kinda messy and imprecise
2022-07-07T13:20:49 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-07T13:21:12 < catphish_> this will match your packets and allow them, no other rules will run. -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp -m udp --dport 1200:1299 -j ACCEPT
2022-07-07T13:21:29 < Laurenceb> wait wut
2022-07-07T13:21:31 < catphish_> iptables rules are processed in order, it will stop at the first match
2022-07-07T13:21:39 < Laurenceb> I thought last rule takes precidence
2022-07-07T13:21:44 < Laurenceb> ok now I'm confused
2022-07-07T13:21:44 < catphish_> nope, first
2022-07-07T13:21:50 < Laurenceb> argg so confusing
2022-07-07T13:22:00 < Laurenceb> yeah when I tested it I hadnt got that line in
2022-07-07T13:22:28 < catphish_> nope, very simple, it runs until it matches, and then stops, -J ACCEPT is like "return" in a program
2022-07-07T13:22:48 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-07T13:23:00 < Laurenceb> so lines 6 and 7 are in the correct order to block external stuff?
2022-07-07T13:23:02 < catphish_> so you need to put the specific DROP rules first, then it should work
2022-07-07T13:23:15 < catphish_> Laurenceb: yes
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2022-07-07T13:23:45 < catphish_> Laurenceb: the normal order is 1) specific denys 2) specific allows 3) general public deny
2022-07-07T13:24:15 < Laurenceb> ah cool
2022-07-07T13:24:29 < catphish_> by the way, when testing can insert rules at the top using -I instead of -A
2022-07-07T13:24:33 < Laurenceb> so I just need to move the last line (ignore my ramdom test lines) to the top?
2022-07-07T13:24:37 < Laurenceb> ah ok
2022-07-07T13:24:53 < Laurenceb> ok I think I can fix it easily
2022-07-07T13:25:01 < Laurenceb> time for some coffeee first
2022-07-07T13:25:15 < catphish_> well i don't know quite what you want to achieve
2022-07-07T13:25:25 < catphish_> but seems like you understand now and can probably make it work :)
2022-07-07T13:25:49 < catphish_> just treat it like a procedural program and you;ll be fine
2022-07-07T13:25:59 < Laurenceb> yeah I want to block external UDP and also block specific UDP packets
2022-07-07T13:26:22 < Laurenceb> block external is for security and block specific is for tweaking my software functionality
2022-07-07T13:26:48 < catphish_> makes sense
2022-07-07T13:29:58 < Laurenceb> ah this works now, thanks
2022-07-07T13:30:26 < catphish_> cool
2022-07-07T13:30:29  * Laurenceb is trying to control interprocess comms by filtering specific packets and/or swapping them to different ports
2022-07-07T13:31:07 < benishor> why would you want to do that?
2022-07-07T13:31:45 < karlp> to test how the program respondsd to missing packets?
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2022-07-07T13:50:53 < benishor> it's simple to test missing udp packets: don't send them all
2022-07-07T13:51:10 < karlp> then you need to edit the sending device/process.
2022-07-07T13:51:20 < karlp> easier to simulate unreliable links by making an unreliable link...
2022-07-07T13:51:49 < karlp> two days left of work before holidays, but pcbs, stencils and parts for a personal project arrived...
2022-07-07T13:51:55 < karlp> reallllly want to assemble that instead :)
2022-07-07T13:52:27 < Steffanx> So make it karlp's personal holidays.
2022-07-07T13:52:43 < benishor> I think netem would be a better choice
2022-07-07T13:52:58 < benishor> karlp: what's that personal project about? :)
2022-07-07T13:53:24 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/veittur-p1-ble
2022-07-07T13:54:04 < benishor> cute
2022-07-07T13:57:55 < Steffanx> Does it have a useful ble stack?
2022-07-07T13:59:47 < Steffanx> 1MB flash, 32KB of wham. Lol
2022-07-07T14:00:23 < Laurenceb> benishor: actually this is for identifying specific data that needs to be handled by another application
2022-07-07T14:01:39 < karlp> Steffanx: not yet? :) but I've got basic btle ads working with the WCH blob, so... "just some sw" (tm)
2022-07-07T14:05:45 < Steffanx> Blob. 😢
2022-07-07T14:06:19 < benishor> Laurenceb: then why don't make the other application listen for that data?
2022-07-07T14:06:44 < benishor> you can use multicast to share the packages to more subscribers
2022-07-07T14:06:49 < Laurenceb> sure but I dont want to have to reconfigure applications not to listen etc
2022-07-07T14:06:52 < benishor> and each takes out what he needs
2022-07-07T14:06:54 < Laurenceb> yeah I'm using multicast
2022-07-07T14:09:22 < Steffanx> Maybe this is more a case of: "I make this so damn complex, I quit soon and they'll have to hire me for big munny to keep the system running". Which is an excellent idea of Laurenceb  
2022-07-07T14:26:52 < Laurenceb> how can I identify an iptables rule to drop?
2022-07-07T14:31:48 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: either specify full rule or use --line-numbers when listing.
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2022-07-07T14:45:04 < Laurenceb> iptables v1.8.7 (nf_tables): Couldn't load match `udp':No such file or directory
2022-07-07T14:45:06 < Laurenceb> wtf
2022-07-07T14:45:58 < specing> Is hyperloop just musk the CEO and Laurenceb the bosnian who does all the work?
2022-07-07T14:46:15 < Laurenceb> lol
2022-07-07T14:55:47 < Laurenceb> wtf
2022-07-07T14:55:50 < Laurenceb> udp isnt a file
2022-07-07T14:56:57 < Laurenceb>  Couldn't load match `udp':No such file or directory
2022-07-07T14:58:08 < Laurenceb> sudo iptables -D INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp -m udp --dport 1351 -j DROP
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2022-07-07T15:03:05 < specing> it's because of sudo
2022-07-07T15:03:19 < specing> the kernel sees that you're a total noob and treats you as one! :)
2022-07-07T15:03:28 < Xogium> actually the udp match in iptables is... a file
2022-07-07T15:03:57 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-07T15:04:02 < Laurenceb> iptables v1.8.7 (nf_tables): u32: at char 0: not a number or out of range
2022-07-07T15:04:06 < Laurenceb> still breaking
2022-07-07T15:04:29 < Xogium> what os
2022-07-07T15:08:32 < Laurenceb> linux on raspberry pi
2022-07-07T15:08:57 < Xogium> yeah but armbian, raspbian, archlinux-arm ?
2022-07-07T15:09:07 < Xogium> manjaro ?
2022-07-07T15:09:09 < Laurenceb> raspbian
2022-07-07T15:09:27 < Xogium> do you have anything in dmesg ?
2022-07-07T15:09:43 < Laurenceb> no
2022-07-07T15:10:00 < Xogium> hmmm so it isn't a problem with loading the kernel modules
2022-07-07T15:11:55 < Xogium> iptables v1.8.8 (nf_tables)
2022-07-07T15:11:59 < Xogium> hmm
2022-07-07T15:12:01 < Xogium> works fine here
2022-07-07T15:12:13 < Xogium> I added that rule as a test then deleted it with the command you used
2022-07-07T15:12:24 < Xogium> it sounds like the raspbian package might be broken ?
2022-07-07T15:13:15 < Xogium> can you downgrade it ?
2022-07-07T15:13:42 < Xogium> or upgrade
2022-07-07T15:14:16 < Laurenceb> I'm trying to delete rules using a script
2022-07-07T15:14:26 < Laurenceb> maybe I could use line numbers
2022-07-07T15:14:47 < Xogium> right but I don't think scripts here would matter
2022-07-07T15:14:58 < Xogium> or do you mean you can run that command manually and it works ?
2022-07-07T15:15:30 < Laurenceb> hmm I'll try
2022-07-07T15:15:39 < Xogium> I'd suspect not
2022-07-07T15:15:59 < Laurenceb> yeah it runs manually
2022-07-07T15:16:25 < Xogium> also is the rule there ? It's a dumb question but maybe the error message given there is wrong and it is trying to tell you there is no such rule
2022-07-07T15:16:54 < Xogium> on my side the message is this one, but maybe in an older nftables/iptables it is
2022-07-07T15:17:00 < Xogium> iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?).
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2022-07-07T15:19:33 < Laurenceb>  sudo iptables -S | grep "0x33" | cut -c 3- | while read rule; do echo $rule  ; sudo iptables -D $rule ; done
2022-07-07T15:21:21 < Xogium> can you see what iptables tells you if you try to delete the rule when it isn't added in the first place ?
2022-07-07T15:21:32 < Laurenceb> same as your warning
2022-07-07T15:21:36 < Xogium> ah
2022-07-07T15:21:39 < Xogium> there goes my theory lol
2022-07-07T15:22:15 < Xogium> I wonder if something gets messed up by the shell script and all those grep commands maybe
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2022-07-07T15:25:04 < Xogium> what is that grep and cut command combo doing ?
2022-07-07T15:25:40 < Laurenceb> cutting off the -A
2022-07-07T15:26:05 < Xogium> ah
2022-07-07T15:26:46 < Xogium> but the 0x33, what is it ? Number of the rule ?
2022-07-07T15:26:58 < Xogium> asking because I tried it on my side here and it doesn't match anything
2022-07-07T15:27:18 < Laurenceb> yeah its inside the rule
2022-07-07T15:27:34 < Laurenceb>  sudo iptables -S | grep "0x33" | cut -c 3- | while read rule; do echo $rule  ; sudo iptables -D $rule ; done
2022-07-07T15:27:34 < Laurenceb> INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp -m udp --dport 1251 -m u32 --u32 "0x1c&0x1f000000=0x33000000" -j DROP
2022-07-07T15:27:59 < Xogium> does that work in your shell, without the script ?
2022-07-07T15:28:28 < Xogium> trying to identify why it breaks here
2022-07-07T15:30:14 < Xogium> it must be somewhere around the while loop that it breaks
2022-07-07T15:30:28 < Xogium> if the grep works, and obviously it does
2022-07-07T15:32:45 < Xogium> I wonder if the u32 thingy which I ran into here
2022-07-07T15:33:02 < Xogium> is due to shell not escaping or escaping things it shouldn't
2022-07-07T15:34:21 < Xogium> so I don't get the no such file or directory error, but I get the u32 one
2022-07-07T15:35:19 < Laurenceb> yeah it works without the shalle script, just entering into the terminal
2022-07-07T15:36:30 < Xogium> let me try something
2022-07-07T15:36:31 < Laurenceb> hmm I have " in a bash string
2022-07-07T15:37:41 < Xogium> how interesting
2022-07-07T15:38:03 < Xogium> sudo iptables -D INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp -m udp --dport 1251 -m u32 --u32 "0x1c&0x1f000000=0x33000000" -j DROP
2022-07-07T15:38:06 < Xogium> worked without a problem
2022-07-07T15:38:30 < Xogium> sudo iptables -S | grep "0x33" | cut -c 3- | while read rule; do echo $rule  ; sudo iptables -D $rule ; done
2022-07-07T15:38:55 < Xogium> it grepped fine, then
2022-07-07T15:39:11 < Xogium> iptables v1.8.8 (nf_tables): u32: at char 0: not a number or out of range
2022-07-07T15:41:43 < catphish_> Xogium: i suspect it's passing a literal "
2022-07-07T15:42:14 < catphish_> when you send "123" as a parameter, the actual parameter is 123 and the quotes are just a container
2022-07-07T15:42:46 < Xogium> catphish_: what I'm think too
2022-07-07T15:42:55 < catphish_> but in your script, the *whole* $rule becomes a single parameter
2022-07-07T15:42:56 < Xogium> *thinking
2022-07-07T15:43:05 < Xogium> yeah
2022-07-07T15:43:25 < Xogium> might be why Laurenceb is having so much trouble
2022-07-07T15:43:25 < catphish_> Xogium: i'd strongly recommend using iptables-restore when mangling like this
2022-07-07T15:44:01 < catphish_> iptables-save | change-stuff-here | iptables-restore
2022-07-07T15:44:09 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-07T15:44:30 < Laurenceb> how do I "expand" $rule  ?
2022-07-07T15:44:56 < catphish_> i wondered that, i have no idea
2022-07-07T15:46:28 < catphish_> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7454526/variable-containing-multiple-args-with-quotes-in-bash
2022-07-07T15:48:08 < catphish_> hacky solution: iptables -D $(echo $rule)
2022-07-07T15:48:37 < Laurenceb> aha yeah
2022-07-07T15:48:45 < catphish_> there's a better solution using set and $@ but i don't totally understand it
2022-07-07T15:49:02 < catphish_> but see also, my answer about iptables-restore
2022-07-07T15:49:47 < catphish_> iptables-save | grep -v "0x33" | iptables-restore
2022-07-07T15:50:08 < Laurenceb> hmm doesnt work
2022-07-07T15:50:22 < Laurenceb> even echo -e -n fails
2022-07-07T15:50:22 < catphish_> don't forget sudo
2022-07-07T15:50:54 < catphish_> the iptables-restore way should be simple, safe, and effective
2022-07-07T15:51:11 < catphish_> unless for some reason you don't have this tool
2022-07-07T15:51:20 < catphish_> (and it's atomic)
2022-07-07T15:52:26 < Laurenceb> what does iptables-restore do?
2022-07-07T15:53:28 < Laurenceb> oh I see now, cool
2022-07-07T15:53:35 < Laurenceb> it just sets the rules all at once
2022-07-07T15:54:33 < Laurenceb> cool thats works, thanks for the help
2022-07-07T15:54:36 < Laurenceb> *that
2022-07-07T15:56:36 < catphish_> correct, and great!
2022-07-07T16:01:10 < Xogium> catphish_: good one for iptables-restore. I use this, but I never tried to use with a script, and I wasn't sure how it would work. Kind of why I didn't mention it in this case
2022-07-07T16:01:23 < Xogium> couldn't provide a way to make it work
2022-07-07T16:25:57 < witx> Hi all. Using chibios + lwip is there a way to verify that checksums are indeed being offloaded to hardware?
2022-07-07T16:26:16 < witx> I believe I have the correct configuration but I'm not sure how to check
2022-07-07T16:26:59 < jpa-> grep to find the function that does the checksum calculation by software, set breakpoint there and see if it gets hit
2022-07-07T16:32:48 < witx> that's a good idea I'll try that. I believe there's also a register ETH_MACCR_IPCO. just found it now
2022-07-07T16:33:15 < witx> bit on the MAC register*
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2022-07-07T16:49:41 < catphish_> Xogium: the clever part is that it's atomic so you can safely read and write simultaneously as it won't commit each table until it's told to, which won't happen until it's done reading
2022-07-07T16:52:12 < Xogium> catphish_: yup I never used a shell script to do iptables rules. I had no idea how to interface shell scripts with iptables-restore though
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2022-07-07T16:56:33 < catphish_> Xogium: i used to use a central management system to generate rules then push them out to hosts and pass them through iptables-restore to apply them, very useful
2022-07-07T16:56:53 < catphish_> linux network admin was my dayjob :)
2022-07-07T16:56:53 < Xogium> catphish_: fancy stuff indeed
2022-07-07T16:57:18 < Xogium> catphish_: oh, nice. I learned network stuff cause I had to, but I ended up liking it
2022-07-07T16:58:24 < karlp> my only advice is to not try sudo piping iptables around if you're logged in via ssh :)
2022-07-07T16:58:50 < Xogium> karlp: indeed
2022-07-07T16:59:09 < Xogium> I used, err. What was that thing called again
2022-07-07T16:59:38 < karlp> Steffanx: blobs are all around us. learn to love the blob.... :)
2022-07-07T16:59:41 < catphish_> for automation, it makes sense to permit sudo iptables without a password
2022-07-07T17:00:29 < catphish_> myuser ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/iptables-restore
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2022-07-07T17:01:09 < Xogium> https://github.com/Thermi/netfilter-samples/tree/master/iptables-failsafe
2022-07-07T17:01:12 < catphish_> alternatively, if you're not automating, you can tell ssh to create a VT and then sudo will work, i forget how
2022-07-07T17:01:12 < Xogium> ahah, got it
2022-07-07T17:01:30 < catphish_> ssh -t
2022-07-07T17:02:05 < Xogium> catphish_: I believe he meant in the sense that if you do something dumb you could lock yourself out
2022-07-07T17:02:29 < catphish_> oh yeah, that! yes
2022-07-07T17:02:51 < catphish_> best to learn locally first :)
2022-07-07T17:03:09 < Xogium> or use a failsafe ;)
2022-07-07T17:03:59 < Xogium> that command will ask you something and if you don't answer it times out and rolls back your previous rules
2022-07-07T17:04:01 < catphish_> i have been known to run iptables-save > backup; iptables-restore < newrules; sleep 30; iptables-restore < backup
2022-07-07T17:05:01 < catphish_> ah i see, that too above does that (even though the readme doesn't mention it)
2022-07-07T17:05:13 < Xogium> yeah the readme is... Lacking to say the least
2022-07-07T17:05:34 < catphish_> useful
2022-07-07T17:05:51 < Xogium> there is also iptables-apply utility that more or less does the same
2022-07-07T17:05:59 < catphish_> ah ok
2022-07-07T17:06:06 < catphish_> it does mention that, but i didn't look it up
2022-07-07T17:06:28 < Xogium> I'm not sure which one came first
2022-07-07T17:06:37 < Xogium> :D
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2022-07-07T17:18:50 < Laurenceb> anyone here ever used simulink?
2022-07-07T17:19:13 < Laurenceb> I need to connect an isr to some timer based code using queues, but need to know how much data is in the queu
2022-07-07T17:46:09 < zyp> good luck
2022-07-07T17:57:17 < Steffanx> Thanks 
2022-07-07T18:17:22 < tct> Steffanx <3
2022-07-07T18:17:30 < tct> What's happening with your farmers?
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2022-07-07T18:53:05 < Steffanx> They are going mad over some new yet unspecified regulations, tct
2022-07-07T18:53:49 < Steffanx> So now they are blocking roads, distribution centers of supermarkets and what not
2022-07-07T18:53:52 < tct> Steffanx, "unspecified" ?
2022-07-07T18:54:17 < Steffanx> They even visited some politicians at home 
2022-07-07T18:54:44 < tct> is this the typical 21st century "EVERYTHING IS BAD!!!!111" or is it legit bad?
2022-07-07T18:55:13 < Steffanx> Yeah, the NOx "production" has to be lowered, farmer have a major part in that. There are plans to buy the farmers out etc. They're not happy 
2022-07-07T18:55:24 < Steffanx> Farmers* 
2022-07-07T18:55:48 < tct> to the point where police has to actively point a gun at a dude in a tractor?
2022-07-07T18:56:31 < tct> https://pr0gramm.com/top/Bauer%20sucht%20Streit/5224292
2022-07-07T18:57:41 < Steffanx> Yeah. But the policeman was crazy here. And lucky no one got injured 
2022-07-07T18:58:04 < tct> dutchland going ami-style
2022-07-07T18:58:18 < Steffanx> Oh that's not this video. There actually a video of one firing a few shots.
2022-07-07T18:58:45 < tct> lol
2022-07-07T18:58:55 < tct> someone's gonna have some explaining to do I guess
2022-07-07T19:00:47 < Steffanx> I still have to read into it all more before I can judge if the farmers are right or not. 
2022-07-07T19:01:23 < tct> me neither - hence I was asking you
2022-07-07T19:02:02 < Steffanx> But our politicians suck. "We need to buy out farmers, do we can build houses". 
2022-07-07T19:02:13 < Steffanx> That's what a few said a few time. 
2022-07-07T19:02:34 < tct> is that before or after you're going to continue fracking? :D
2022-07-07T19:03:28 < Steffanx> While this entire plan was "we need fewer farmers, because the NOx is bad for our nature". So what is it, houses or nature? 🤔
2022-07-07T19:04:09 < Steffanx> We dont really frack here. Its the good old way. 
2022-07-07T19:04:48 < Steffanx> OK we do, but that  probably not what you are referring to. Or maybe you are
2022-07-07T19:05:39 < Steffanx> Oh apparently we do it more than I thought :ap
2022-07-07T19:05:44 < tct> yes ;)
2022-07-07T19:08:02 < Mangy_Dog> is there a way to make a non destrictive object within a function, that stays when the function exits?
2022-07-07T19:09:37 < Mangy_Dog> i think the awnsers no but im trying to brainstorm out a problem
2022-07-07T19:17:28 < tct> context? language? what are you trying to do?
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2022-07-07T19:22:22 < jpa-> Mangy_Dog: "static" in front of the variable declaration
2022-07-07T19:23:05 < jpa-> it'll get created automatically on first function call, if you want to control when it is created, make it "static MyClass* myobjectptr = nullptr;"
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2022-07-07T19:23:27 < jpa-> (or std::option<> if you are fancy)
2022-07-07T19:26:18 < zyp> std::optional<>
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2022-07-07T19:30:24 < jpa-> ah, yeah, my c++ is a bit rusty ;)
2022-07-07T19:30:47 < Steffanx> One thing at a time, tct 
2022-07-07T19:31:35 < Mangy_Dog> ohh
2022-07-07T19:31:40 < Mangy_Dog> and yeah c++ sorry
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2022-07-07T19:32:04 < tct> Mangy_Dog, then what jpa- said. just static :)
2022-07-07T19:32:09 < Mangy_Dog> thankies
2022-07-07T19:32:17 < tct> welcomies
2022-07-07T19:32:42 < zyp> jpa-, created on first function call?
2022-07-07T19:33:00 < zyp> aren't function statics constructed at a startup, like globals?
2022-07-07T19:33:05 < zyp> -a
2022-07-07T19:33:34 < jpa-> i thought they are constructed on first function call
2022-07-07T19:34:12 < zyp> I've never looked too hard into it, but I believed they are like globals, just not with a globally available symbol
2022-07-07T19:35:04 < tct> > Variables declared at block scope with the specifier static have static storage duration but are initialized the first time control passes through their declaration (unless their initialization is zero- or constant-initialization, which can be performed before the block is first entered). On all further calls, the declaration is skipped.
2022-07-07T19:39:10 < zyp> indeed it does
2022-07-07T19:39:16 < zyp> test case on godbolt: https://godbolt.org/z/8r47jTohE
2022-07-07T19:42:16 < zyp> that means it can also take constructor arguments that depends on local variables at construction time: https://godbolt.org/z/8xMj9sYKv
2022-07-07T19:43:10 < tct> indeed
2022-07-07T19:43:59 < karlp> hoho, that would be a nice trap for someone to wtf over...
2022-07-07T19:44:48 < karlp> been implementing a wx ui for a bt time service, was getting garbage values, clocks going to fast, fractions not changing...
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2022-07-07T19:44:52 < karlp> thought I was decoding wrong...
2022-07-07T19:45:06 < karlp> no... device side was just not complete :)
2022-07-07T19:45:18 < karlp> time.fractions = 1234; // TODO let's get some of the basics up first...
2022-07-07T19:45:50 < jpa->  // modulus, how does it work even? let's wait for karl to tell us
2022-07-07T19:46:29 < karlp> / works just like magnets, with magic...
2022-07-07T19:46:47 < karlp> is that what you wanted?
2022-07-07T19:47:03 < jpa-> after all these years, i never remember how negative number division rounds in C
2022-07-07T19:47:59 < karlp> cast to uint, round, cast ... back? ;)
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2022-07-07T21:20:40 < zyp> jpa-, IIRC it rounds the wrong way, 
2022-07-07T21:20:57 < GenTooMan> karlp, I rarely use uint by itself not explicit enough.
2022-07-07T21:21:13 < zyp> but I'm not sure what the right way was
2022-07-07T21:22:01 < zyp> ah, no, disregard, I'm thinking of negative number modulo
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2022-07-07T21:22:56 < zyp> IIRC C does this silly thing where -x % n is equal to -(x % n) (for positive x)
2022-07-07T21:23:03 < GenTooMan> well it is in a way negative number division.
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2022-07-08T14:30:15 < benishor> ola
2022-07-08T14:30:25 < benishor> what tweezers are you guys using for 0402?
2022-07-08T14:31:21 < jpa-> some ebay cheapies
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2022-07-08T14:35:57 < Laurenceb> lol the state of simulink
2022-07-08T14:36:16 < Laurenceb> >used chart recorder to copy data out of isr to main code
2022-07-08T14:36:19 < Laurenceb> lolling hard
2022-07-08T14:36:35 < mawk> what did you do to boris Laurenceb 
2022-07-08T14:36:48 < jpa-> gave some hairstyle advice
2022-07-08T14:36:50 < Laurenceb> lol hes so lame
2022-07-08T14:37:01 < Laurenceb> problem is the alternatives are worse
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2022-07-08T14:37:50 < jpa-> https://imgur.com/gallery/nTqGGqq   i think they look smart in comparison
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2022-07-08T14:44:53 < Laurenceb> wait no simulink still fails
2022-07-08T14:45:05 < Laurenceb> doesnt support variable length CAN mailboxes
2022-07-08T14:45:07 < Laurenceb> epin fail
2022-07-08T14:48:23 < Laurenceb> the absolute state of simulink
2022-07-08T14:48:43 < Laurenceb> I could fill the buffer with a random value, but the data is in binary format
2022-07-08T14:49:35 < Laurenceb> maybe stick an avr on the can bus to manipulate the messages...
2022-07-08T15:00:25 < Laurenceb> I just heard Sam Hyde was arrested in Japan
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2022-07-08T16:02:41 < Laurenceb> >looks like toy for under 4 year olds
2022-07-08T16:02:45 < Laurenceb> >doesnt work
2022-07-08T16:02:56 < Laurenceb> >turns into spaghetti for any serious project
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2022-07-08T16:16:39 < Laurenceb> think I can make it work with inline matlab code based state machine logic to control the chart recorder, then filling the chart recorder with a special flag byte that doesnt occur as a variable delimiter within the binary data
2022-07-08T16:16:43 < Laurenceb> wtf simulink
2022-07-08T16:16:59 < Laurenceb> like playing with toys for 3 year olds
2022-07-08T16:17:16 < GenTooMan> hmm or watching teletubies?
2022-07-08T16:17:20 < Laurenceb> lmao
2022-07-08T16:17:59 < Laurenceb> >teletubby vacuum cleaner controller
2022-07-08T16:20:25 < GenTooMan> is that the controller with the giant buttons that have symbols no adult can understand?
2022-07-08T16:22:09 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-08T16:22:22 < Steffanx> Noo-noo 🤘
2022-07-08T16:31:33 < Laurenceb> lollll
2022-07-08T16:31:47 < Laurenceb> >need a loicense to use all the queue functionality
2022-07-08T16:31:57 < Laurenceb> the state of this
2022-07-08T16:32:24 < Laurenceb> wurk already paid about 10k for simulink loicenses
2022-07-08T16:32:34 < Laurenceb> just use gcc already
2022-07-08T16:32:43 < Laurenceb> oh wait.... simulink uses gcc internally lmao
2022-07-08T16:33:31 < Laurenceb> internally it literally generates a horrific 100k line single c file then passes it to gcc
2022-07-08T16:40:26 < Steffanx> Imagine the code still being more readable than yours Laurenceb 
2022-07-08T16:40:50 < specing> lol
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2022-07-08T23:33:40 < kaki> hello summer night crew
2022-07-08T23:42:08 < kaki> catphish: box box
2022-07-08T23:45:40 < catphish> kaki: good news, the transformer works in the car, communications are success when charging, just need to do proper installation
2022-07-08T23:46:03 < catphish> also front end of car now finished and bolted back together :)
2022-07-08T23:48:29 < kaki> scratch some edge of pcb and then put a big blob of thick eboxy there and then dump the transformer there
2022-07-08T23:53:06 < kaki> I think hot snot might chip off because of pcb copper layer sinks all the heat before it sticks well
2022-07-08T23:53:19 < kaki> at least for metal pieces this is the case
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2022-07-09T00:02:33 < kaki> hot glue bond strength seems to be in function of bond layer temperature and time of that temperature
2022-07-09T00:02:52 < kaki> generally: wetting
2022-07-09T00:03:12 < catphish> actually my plan is to buy SOIC16 breakout boards, mount transformers on there, solder on wires, then heatshrink inline with cable
2022-07-09T00:03:49 < kaki> not bad
2022-07-09T00:04:12 < kaki> catphish: as laurence is not here what do you feel about this boris thing?
2022-07-09T00:05:28 < catphish> well, i don't like boris, he seems insincere, and i don't like his political party anyway, so my opinion is that we need to vote for someone else
2022-07-09T00:06:37 < kaki> but where do you find a guy with such crazy hair?
2022-07-09T00:08:52 < kaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsYgJo_c-mc
2022-07-09T00:09:11 < catphish> hopefully, we don't
2022-07-09T00:12:55 < Steffanx> Yes because it's the hair that makes a politician good or bad.
2022-07-09T00:13:13 < Steffanx> I cannot become a good one then. 
2022-07-09T00:13:51 < Steffanx> How's your hair doing today, kaki 
2022-07-09T00:14:05 < kaki> today good
2022-07-09T00:14:17 < kaki> doesn't look like birbs nest
2022-07-09T00:14:50 < Steffanx> Should go army style. Its very efficient 
2022-07-09T00:15:14 < kaki> I use minimal enerhy aproach
2022-07-09T00:15:34 < kaki> and it's not bald.. that actually requires maintaining
2022-07-09T00:17:40 < Steffanx> Its very efficient. No need to dry it after sauna or showering. So it wont freeze.
2022-07-09T00:17:48 < Steffanx> Assuming you sauna or shower.
2022-07-09T00:19:01 < catphish> i with sauna was more common here, i like sauna
2022-07-09T00:19:45 < kaki> build sauna
2022-07-09T00:20:02 < kaki> I have tried to make steff to build barrel sauna
2022-07-09T00:20:40 < Steffanx> I dont remember 
2022-07-09T00:21:46 < kaki> also tried to make englishman build sauna in his house but he had other use for the floor area
2022-07-09T00:23:52 < kaki> anyways everything is expensives now especially building materials
2022-07-09T00:25:07 < kaki> https://www.wellnessandgarden.com/product/panorama-barrel-sauna-with-dome/ hey it's not that expensives in canadistan :o
2022-07-09T00:26:34 < kaki> look at that space ship
2022-07-09T00:27:15 < qyx> 3/4 of the price is that dome
2022-07-09T00:27:20 < kaki> I bet
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2022-07-09T00:39:16 < englishman> sauna will come one day
2022-07-09T00:39:22 < englishman> probably with a bathroom reno
2022-07-09T00:39:34 < kaki> how about qyx?
2022-07-09T00:39:44 < qyx> no sauna
2022-07-09T00:39:47 < kaki> you could build sauna
2022-07-09T00:40:07 < kaki> little sauna cabin
2022-07-09T00:41:27 < englishman> wow kaki that isn’t expensive at all
2022-07-09T00:41:45 < kaki> true
2022-07-09T00:41:53 < kaki> never tried such thing though
2022-07-09T00:42:08 < kaki> aspect ratio doens't look favorable for good löyly
2022-07-09T00:43:07 < kaki> usually there is at least 2 step bench
2022-07-09T00:44:10 < kaki> 2 step bench + stool
2022-07-09T00:44:34 < kaki> stool is like half of height of first bench step
2022-07-09T00:44:46 < kaki> and stove is at level of first bench step
2022-07-09T00:44:48 < englishman> they use canadian cedar but dont ship to canada
2022-07-09T00:45:33 < kaki> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ weird globalism stuff
2022-07-09T00:45:40 < englishman> oh this is some dropshipper
2022-07-09T00:45:42 < englishman> Yeah
2022-07-09T00:46:37 < englishman> https://www.backcountryrecreation.com/products/panoramic-barrel-sauna-kit
2022-07-09T00:47:37 < englishman> they are even on amazon
2022-07-09T00:47:52 < kaki> 10k :o
2022-07-09T00:48:22 < englishman> that’s with a bunch of options, you can get there on your site too
2022-07-09T00:48:55 < kaki> ah
2022-07-09T00:49:08 < englishman> still at that price and with the electrics i did last year that kind of outdoor project becomes much more attractive
2022-07-09T00:49:43 < kaki> it was expensives after all
2022-07-09T00:52:07 < catphish> build sauna sounds like a good idea
2022-07-09T00:52:10 < kaki> https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/32440059810505646 swedes are weird they have wood burning oven in their version of sauna (bastu)
2022-07-09T00:53:53 < kaki> it might have same function than sauna stove but hmm.. I think plaster will crack if you shock that with water
2022-07-09T00:54:40 < catphish> that looks pleasant
2022-07-09T00:54:53 < kaki> https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/23432860611858603
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2022-07-09T01:03:08 < kaki> englishman: https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/260223684710672983 this bench layout could work.. löyly happens at upper bench
2022-07-09T01:06:58 < kaki> generally floor level is room temperature or little bit higher in any sauna so 1 step bench you are not 100% in löyly
2022-07-09T01:10:32 < englishman> yeah you need a big barrel for that
2022-07-09T01:10:38 < englishman> with big canadians/finns
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2022-07-09T01:53:48 < catphish> i'm quite looking forward to see how fact box can do 0-60mph, assuming it actually works
2022-07-09T01:53:54 < catphish> *how fast
2022-07-09T01:54:57 < kaki> box
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2022-07-09T02:57:09 < upgrdman> anyone know of a PGA that can also apply an offset? so it can accept a input that is a negative voltage, and output something between GND and VDD
2022-07-09T03:01:37 < englishman> you can use a pga to make programmable offset but you’ll still need a pga for the gain part. Haven’t seen one that does both
2022-07-09T03:02:13 < englishman> you could just use something with good dynamic range and do the offset in software
2022-07-09T03:08:31 < upgrdman> k
2022-07-09T03:11:13 < zyp> hack up something with a SLG47004?
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2022-07-09T03:16:46 < upgrdman> hmm
2022-07-09T03:17:24 < upgrdman> kinda pricy, compared to an op amp + pga
2022-07-09T03:42:05 < Jookia> is there any public documentation about the cortex m4's branch predictor/prefetcher?
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2022-07-09T05:25:43 < englishman> cool chip
2022-07-09T05:25:54 < englishman> it says $2 on mouser?
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2022-07-09T08:19:18 < jpa-> Jookia: the cortex-m4 itself does not have branch prediction, but the STM32 flash prefetcher does; it is described in reference manual section Embedded Flash -> Read interface -> Adaptive real-time memory accelerator
2022-07-09T08:20:36 < Jookia> interesting
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2022-07-09T14:50:39 < mawk> I'm going to Drachten today Steffanx 
2022-07-09T14:50:47 < mawk> come see me
2022-07-09T14:50:49 < mawk> I'm going to visit step-oma who just unplugged her pacemaker
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2022-07-09T15:54:26 < Steffanx> I dont want to be seen in Drachten.
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2022-07-09T16:05:59 < mawk> why Steffanx 
2022-07-09T16:06:04 < mawk> what's wrong with Drachten
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2022-07-09T16:15:35 < Steffanx> It's friesland
2022-07-09T16:21:29 < mawk> there was a bombing in Delft last night
2022-07-09T16:21:34 < mawk> I heard the explosion, very loud
2022-07-09T16:21:49 < mawk> even though it was far away
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2022-07-09T16:42:23 < mawk> this Steffanx https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/09/child-among-two-hospitalized-delft-apartment-explosion
2022-07-09T16:42:27 < mawk> did you do this????
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2022-07-09T16:46:17 < specing> children hurt? Was it a drone strike?
2022-07-09T16:53:33 < mawk> maybe a bazooka
2022-07-09T16:53:45 < mawk> they say it was a projectile fired from the street
2022-07-09T16:53:52 < mawk> by two men who drove away after
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2022-07-09T16:58:29 < Steffanx> Do you think I want to be seen near Delft mawk?
2022-07-09T16:58:44 < mawk> what's wrong with delft
2022-07-09T16:58:46 < Steffanx> Oh maybe one of my drones 
2022-07-09T16:58:48 < mawk> it's in zuid-hollande
2022-07-09T16:58:55 < mawk> the best provincie
2022-07-09T16:59:10 < Steffanx> "Er gaat niets boven Groningen"
2022-07-09T16:59:41 < mawk> waarom niet
2022-07-09T17:00:18 < mawk> en onder ?
2022-07-09T17:02:51 < mawk> come see me in Delft Steffanx 
2022-07-09T17:03:02 < mawk> I'll give you delftenaartje ijs
2022-07-09T17:03:12 < mawk> tasty ice cream
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2022-07-09T18:28:42 < Steffanx> Maybe one day
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2022-07-09T18:34:44 < bastian> anyone deal with using dma for i2c transmit only working once and then never again?
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2022-07-09T21:07:58 < catphish> kaki: box inline transformers: https://i.imgur.com/nRoCqrv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uyFxPgx.jpg
2022-07-09T21:09:29 < kaki> wires look a bit too free
2022-07-09T21:11:36 < qyx> catphish: is that an ethernet transformer?
2022-07-09T21:11:47 < qyx> are you rinning your manchester encoded uart over it?
2022-07-09T21:12:04 < qyx> does it work?
2022-07-09T21:12:47 < kaki> it works
2022-07-09T21:12:49 < catphish> qyx: yes, yes, and yes
2022-07-09T21:13:30 < qyx> do you have any scope pictures?
2022-07-09T21:14:23 < kaki> carefully now
2022-07-09T21:14:55 < catphish> with the transformer in place, these are the 2 data lines as seen at the differential receiver when receiving data https://i.imgur.com/YFMMisT.jpg
2022-07-09T21:15:40 < catphish> the obvious problem is that the high line is being pulled up and the low line is being pulled down
2022-07-09T21:16:31 < catphish> this effect is particularly noticeable with the transformer in place, but there's still 2V differential by the end of the burst so it works
2022-07-09T21:16:53 < qyx> hm
2022-07-09T21:18:25 < catphish> the high line has a pull-up resistor to +5v so that it idles high, and the low line has a pull down to 0V so that it idles low, this is necessary, but causes the signals to drift during transmission
2022-07-09T21:19:00 < qyx> isn't the diff pair terminated?
2022-07-09T21:19:07 < qyx> with a resistor in between?
2022-07-09T21:19:11 < catphish> no
2022-07-09T21:19:18 < qyx> that's how profibus works
2022-07-09T21:19:36 < qyx> the termination is 390R pullup, 390R pulldown and 180 or so between
2022-07-09T21:19:45 < qyx> or similar numbers, I don't recall now
2022-07-09T21:19:57 < catphish> the line length just isn't enough here to worry about reflections
2022-07-09T21:20:45 < qyx> wouldn't it solve your issue?
2022-07-09T21:22:03 < catphish> without the transformer, i'd almost completely eliminated the drift: https://i.imgur.com/hZKggVK.jpg
2022-07-09T21:22:10 < catphish> it's there, but negligable
2022-07-09T21:22:22 < catphish> the load of the transformer annoyingly puts it back on the map
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2022-07-09T21:23:16 < catphish> and no, i'm pretty sure putting a resistor between the lines would only make it worse
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2022-07-09T23:15:04 < catphish> it's infuriating that there's still no good available information about simple torque control of induction motors
2022-07-09T23:23:39 < catphish> the question is, on the face of it, simple: i have an induction motor spinning at a rotational rate of w, i would like to apply a torque t, what frequency and voltage should i apply to the stator?
2022-07-09T23:24:10 < catphish> for a given motor there must be a formula to derive that, but i fond *nothing* written on the subject
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2022-07-09T23:45:24 < qyx> you can still characterise your motor empirically
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2022-07-10T09:43:54 < jpa-> catphish: there isn't a single answer to that
2022-07-10T09:44:47 < jpa-> catphish: you can run the motor at any operating point between breakdown torque and near zero slip, but efficiency will be higher the closer you are to breakdown torque   https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/docs/documents/651/electric_motor_current_torque.png
2022-07-10T09:45:41 < jpa-> if you increase the voltage, breakdown torque increases and consequently your operating point moves to the right, and then you can adjust frequency to keep the rotor speed the same
2022-07-10T09:46:20 < jpa-> so it is a continuum between "always apply large voltage, which will heat up your motor a lot" and "apply minimum needed voltage, which will cause the motor to stall suddenly when overloaded"
2022-07-10T09:47:28 < jpa-> the usual rule of thumb for simple VFDs is just to keep constant V/Hz ratio, and for more advanced controllers you have a control loop trying to keep the field angle at 90°
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2022-07-10T10:02:13 < mawk> cancan qn
2022-07-10T10:02:15 < mawk> https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/07/canbed-m4-sam-e51-development-board-features-mcp2542fd-can-transceiver/
2022-07-10T10:02:17 < mawk> -qn
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2022-07-10T11:40:39 < catphish> jpa-: so for maximum efficiency, if i want to increase torque i should increase both slip *and* voltage, increasing the voltage will increase torque but i should then also move further towards the new breakdown point to increase eficiency?
2022-07-10T11:42:20 < catphish> if changing the voltage increases torque but also moves the operating point of peak efficienfy, i could move frequency to match that new peak?
2022-07-10T11:45:37 < catphish> my assumption was that the simplest approach would be to maintain a constant V/Hz curve, and then to apply more torque, one increases slip, increasing voltage at the same time, as a consequence of the V.Hz curve
2022-07-10T11:50:07 < catphish> jpa-: since you're the only person in the entire universe i've found who actulally understands this, i shall hassle you about this :)
2022-07-10T11:55:32 < catphish> There are 2 simple approaches i'm aware of:
2022-07-10T11:55:32 < catphish> 1) The constant slip approach. Choose a constant slip, for example 2Hz. Always drive the stator at 2Hz greater than the rotor. Adjust torque by adjusting voltage.
2022-07-10T11:55:32 < catphish> 2) The linear V/Hz approach. Voltage is set according to stator frequency. Adjust torque by setting slip within a band such as +/- 3Hz.
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2022-07-10T12:16:03 < catphish> for now i'll get out simulink and play :)
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2022-07-10T12:21:00 < mawk> people talk to me in frisian on the street Steffanx lol
2022-07-10T12:21:11 < mawk> "gûd sondag" or whatever
2022-07-10T12:21:42 < mawk> or maybe it's a very bad dutch accent
2022-07-10T12:22:56 < jpa-> catphish: for maximum efficiency i think you want to control is like this:      measured velocity vs. target velocity -> PID -> voltage         measured slip vs. target slip -> PID -> frequency
2022-07-10T12:23:16 < jpa-> though if you can add current measurements, you could just go full FOC control
2022-07-10T12:24:12 < jpa-> catphish: it also depends a lot on if you really want to control velocity accurately, or if you want to control power output (like e.g. car gas pedal)
2022-07-10T12:24:20 < catphish> jpa-: that doesn't solve my problem, i don't have a target velocity or a target slip
2022-07-10T12:25:09 < catphish> jpa-: this is my problem, almost all written material assumes you're controlling a pump or a fan or something and have a target velocity, i don't, i have a car with a torque pedal
2022-07-10T12:25:23 < jpa-> yeah
2022-07-10T12:26:19 < jpa-> i guess your constant slip approach will work relatively well, though i'm not sure if the optimal slip should be scaled based on rotation speed
2022-07-10T12:27:54 < jpa-> https://electricalacademia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Characteristic-curves-of-an-induction-motor.jpg   in many sources the slip is in percents instead of Hz
2022-07-10T12:28:52 < jpa-> with constant slip, torque will be related to voltage^2, so you may want to control it by sqrt(throttle_pedal)
2022-07-10T12:30:02 < jpa-> induction motors are nice in that they have fairly wide range of good efficiency even with simple V/Hz control
2022-07-10T12:42:34 < catphish> i'm confused about a few things, like, if slip is positive but voltage is super low, which way will energy flow?
2022-07-10T12:44:23 < catphish> my hypothesis is that the variable slip approach is better, i think the only way to really answer this will be to simulate
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2022-07-10T12:51:39 < qyx> why I though datamatrix is patented
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2022-07-10T13:32:11 < mawk> datadominatrix
2022-07-10T13:32:19 < mawk> are you going to play with barcodes qyx?
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2022-07-10T14:52:18 < Laurenceb> https://t.me/millennialwoes/5358
2022-07-10T15:07:01 < Steffanx> Thanks Laurenceb
2022-07-10T15:07:23 < Laurenceb> AI researchers hard at wurk
2022-07-10T15:08:44 < josuah> he did not get the trick yet:
2022-07-10T15:09:26 < josuah> take someone from Africa, used to misery, an offer the american dream, let him settle
2022-07-10T15:10:27 < josuah> make him work for below the minimal wage its whole life, until he got enough to cover expenses for a family
2022-07-10T15:10:43 < josuah> its son would have been born in US, and want to claim he is a citizen, rights, yadda yadda
2022-07-10T15:11:36 < josuah> so do not wait that he gets not-so-poor enough to gets a son or a girl, send him back at that moment
2022-07-10T15:12:03 < josuah> he'd be sent back to Africa, and would have enough cash to send someone else to America
2022-07-10T15:12:18 < josuah> the story repeats again, and gives a good deal of below minimal wage workers
2022-07-10T15:12:25 < josuah> and america can be grest again
2022-07-10T15:12:31 < josuah> s/grest/great/
2022-07-10T15:12:58 < josuah> the above was of course irony
2022-07-10T15:15:35 -!- bitmask_ is now known as bitmask
2022-07-10T15:15:56 < josuah> sometimes it feels like you have to fix the entire planet's problems so you can enjoy your time at peace :P
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2022-07-10T15:18:53 < josuah> the supply chain troubles are a good example of that
2022-07-10T15:19:39 < josuah> a few factories at the other end of the globe cannot produce their usual chip, and you end-up stuck as well
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2022-07-10T16:47:44 < josuah> by the way, how do you usually deal with stm32 shortages? Do you use another, slightly bigger or smaller STM32 that happen to be available? or maybe the same in a different footprint
2022-07-10T16:48:27 < josuah> sometimes, the more cumbersome BGA packages are still having some stocks
2022-07-10T16:50:59 < jpa-> whatever takes the least effort
2022-07-10T16:54:04 < josuah> makes sense
2022-07-10T16:54:29 < josuah> many different contexts, finding the best option out of each is what we get pay for after all :)
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2022-07-10T17:44:20 < catphish> i'm nowhere near clever enough to make motor simulations useful :)
2022-07-10T17:54:19 < jpa-> if you can get a repeatable load on the motor somehow, you could just test in practice
2022-07-10T18:07:20 < catphish> i can at least test in my car and see what works for me
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2022-07-10T20:19:27 < catphish> jpa-: i did manage to run one simple test in simulink to confirm a suspicion - if you run at full V/Hz all the time, no power is transferred when the slip is zero
2022-07-10T20:19:49 < catphish> so it seems that it's totally okay to control *only* slip and leave V/Hz alone
2022-07-10T20:21:19 < catphish> to me this seems more *correct* then the fixed slip approach, but the reality may well be that the difference in performance is negligable
2022-07-10T20:22:37 < catphish> the way i imagine it is if you had a motor connected to the power grid, if it was spinning at the speed of the grid, full voltage would be applied, but slip would be zero, if the grid sped up, voltage and frequency would rise together and apply torque, and vice versa
2022-07-10T20:22:49 < catphish> so i think it's correct to simulate that
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2022-07-10T20:46:30 < catphish> on the other hand, this may be no different from the voltage control whatsoever
2022-07-10T20:46:48 < catphish> i think i'd have to put some more time in simulating to really know
2022-07-10T20:47:01 < catphish> thanks for the pointers anyway jpa- :)
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2022-07-10T21:27:19 < Laurenceb> https://nitter.pussthecat.org/pic/media%2FFTJtnAxUUAAwGDL.jpg%3Fname%3Dsmall
2022-07-10T21:44:17 < Laurenceb> lol my neighbours just glassed someone in the street
2022-07-10T21:44:23 < Laurenceb> typical britbong activities
2022-07-10T21:52:54 < catphish> lol
2022-07-10T21:53:29 < catphish> i shall continue to be glad i live in the world's quietest neighbourhood
2022-07-10T21:53:50 < catphish> my neighbour keeps pigs as pets
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2022-07-10T22:08:42 < Laurenceb> they are from Nottingham
2022-07-10T22:08:49 < Laurenceb> explaining everything
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2022-07-10T23:11:05 < Laurenceb> how do I avoid receiving my own messages if I broadcast on locahost and listen on the same port number with some code under Lunix?
2022-07-10T23:12:06 < catphish> iptables rule i guess
2022-07-10T23:12:47 < Laurenceb> ouch
2022-07-10T23:13:26 < Laurenceb> hmm actually no, I already have a rule to block
2022-07-10T23:13:35 < Laurenceb> maybe I can divert to another port
2022-07-10T23:13:49 < catphish> if you're sending a message to an address you're listening on, you kinda gotta expect to receive it
2022-07-10T23:13:55 < catphish> unless you go to some effort to block it
2022-07-10T23:14:07 < catphish> i'm not aware of a simple flag, but maybe i'm just uninformed
2022-07-10T23:15:28 < qyx> open the iptables diagram and check if there is a place where to put your rule
2022-07-10T23:16:46 < Laurenceb> catphish: atm I have a script to find and block the packets
2022-07-10T23:16:56 < Laurenceb> I just need to change their destination port
2022-07-10T23:17:57 < catphish> do you not control the software?
2022-07-10T23:18:22 < catphish> if you do, it's a simple if statement :)
2022-07-10T23:18:26 < BrainDamage> why do you even have such hare-brained scheme?
2022-07-10T23:18:48 < catphish> i was starting to wonder this
2022-07-10T23:18:55 < catphish> but i'm more polite
2022-07-10T23:21:04 < Laurenceb> hmm looks like I just need to swapout DROP for REDIRECT and add PREROUTING
2022-07-10T23:21:09 < Laurenceb> simple enough changes
2022-07-10T23:21:27 < Laurenceb> catphish: software is modular, I only control some modules
2022-07-10T23:21:43 < Laurenceb> also modules need to be inter-compatible without being recompiled
2022-07-10T23:22:10 < catphish> but is a hideous hack in the hosting kernel really the better solution?
2022-07-10T23:22:15 < Laurenceb> one of the deployed modules is faulty but it cant be removed as it other functionality is needed
2022-07-10T23:22:23 < Laurenceb> it should work....
2022-07-10T23:22:29 < catphish> well if it works :)
2022-07-10T23:23:05 < Laurenceb> I'm writing an emulator that replaces the broken part of its functionality
2022-07-10T23:23:38 < Laurenceb> so I need to find and redirect potentially faulty packets, then fix them and broadcast back on the original port
2022-07-10T23:24:16 < Laurenceb> the broken module is a literal module that sits on an ethernet network
2022-07-10T23:24:35 < Laurenceb> replacement is a software module
2022-07-10T23:25:43 < mawk> sounds very messy
2022-07-10T23:25:48 < qyx> anyone with odroid m1?
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2022-07-10T23:26:35 < mawk> Laurenceb you can tag your packets
2022-07-10T23:26:37 < mawk> with iptables
2022-07-10T23:26:49 < mawk> so you ignore them when you see them the second one around
2022-07-10T23:26:56 < mawk> grep for mark in the doc
2022-07-10T23:33:48 < Laurenceb> interesting thanks
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2022-07-11T00:06:54 < kaki> evenings
2022-07-11T00:07:46 < catphish> evening
2022-07-11T00:09:20 < kaki> car soon?
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2022-07-11T00:12:33 < catphish> car drive this week i hope
2022-07-11T00:12:45 < catphish> just waiting drive shafts now
2022-07-11T00:13:55 < BrainDamage> did you install ejectable seats, just in case?
2022-07-11T00:15:36 < catphish> no
2022-07-11T00:15:41 < kaki> killswitch+
2022-07-11T00:15:44 < kaki> ?
2022-07-11T00:16:01 < catphish> it has a couple of options for that
2022-07-11T00:16:37 < catphish> there's a software switch that *should* shut down the inverter, and a hardware switch that *will* shut down the inverter *and* open the HV contactors
2022-07-11T00:17:10 < catphish> activating the latter is distressignly likely to destroy the inverter :(
2022-07-11T00:18:38 < catphish> so fingers crossed there are no faults that can't be handled by just putting inverter into neutral, which disables all IGBT drivers
2022-07-11T00:18:44 < catphish> (in software though)
2022-07-11T00:19:10 < BrainDamage> add a giant knife switch for manual break
2022-07-11T00:19:49 < kaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JONCFjMaTx4 "FORD MOTOR COMPANY AUTOMOBILE DESIGN & SAFETY PROMOTIONAL FILM 47464"
2022-07-11T00:20:59 < catphish> BrainDamage: you *really* don't want that
2022-07-11T00:21:21 < BrainDamage> what's some copper spraying among friends
2022-07-11T00:21:47 < catphish> i watched someone open a 600V 10A circuit by pulling a fuse a couple of weeks ago
2022-07-11T00:22:13 < catphish> that was spectacular enough, i dread to think what would happen at fault current
2022-07-11T00:24:03 < BrainDamage> I've seen my railgun arcing over
2022-07-11T00:24:09 < BrainDamage> 20kA @ 450V
2022-07-11T00:24:30 < BrainDamage> it sprayed molten aluminium everywhere
2022-07-11T00:28:45 < catphish> thats quite some power
2022-07-11T00:33:26 < kaki> where do you get such amps at such voltage?
2022-07-11T00:34:16 < BrainDamage> giant capacitor bank
2022-07-11T00:34:42 < kaki> thats 9megawatts
2022-07-11T00:34:42 < BrainDamage> ~0.2F total
2022-07-11T00:35:46 < BrainDamage> we ( me and my friend ) started collecting used capacitors from industrial machines, they were used to re-phase
2022-07-11T00:35:56 < kaki> so you have those big domino blocks?
2022-07-11T00:36:18 < BrainDamage> I still have some pics somewhere
2022-07-11T00:36:44 < kaki> about the shape of domino block and has 2 bolt terminals on top?
2022-07-11T00:37:13 < BrainDamage> they were cylindrical
2022-07-11T00:37:19 < BrainDamage> and 2 bolt terminals on top, yes
2022-07-11T00:37:57 < kaki> when you trigger it the wires jump?
2022-07-11T00:38:11 < kaki> or do you have wires at all
2022-07-11T00:38:19 < kaki> just busbars?
2022-07-11T00:38:48 < kaki> are you photonicinduction?
2022-07-11T00:39:53 < kaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT5_-A0m8_U this guy
2022-07-11T00:40:30 < BrainDamage> busbars on the caps, wires to the railgun
2022-07-11T00:40:44 < BrainDamage> the wires are 3cm diameter, stranded
2022-07-11T00:40:49 < BrainDamage> and they still flip over
2022-07-11T00:45:23 < BrainDamage> I found an old pic while we were testing some banks https://0x0.st/o1oH.jpg
2022-07-11T00:46:37 < kaki> 9MW from that hmm doubt
2022-07-11T00:47:09 < kaki> how many you have?
2022-07-11T00:47:42 < BrainDamage> 50
2022-07-11T00:49:23 < BrainDamage> the ESR doesn't have to be too low, just 20mOhm is sufficient
2022-07-11T00:49:33 < kaki> 180kw per cell
2022-07-11T00:49:42 < BrainDamage> some did blow up
2022-07-11T00:50:16 < BrainDamage> we tested them at full discharge with them inside a hole in the ground
2022-07-11T00:50:27 < BrainDamage> because we were afraid they'd shrapnel on us
2022-07-11T00:50:52 < kaki> :)
2022-07-11T00:52:13 < catphish> yep, 20mOhm at 450V is 10MW
2022-07-11T00:52:36 < kaki> :o
2022-07-11T00:52:47 < catphish> 200mF is a lot of capacitor at that voltage though
2022-07-11T00:54:07 < BrainDamage> each one of them had more-than-lethal charge
2022-07-11T00:54:19 < BrainDamage> ~400J per cap
2022-07-11T00:54:53 < catphish> what capacitors are these?
2022-07-11T00:55:34 < BrainDamage> electrolythic double layer, they were a sort of crossroad between electrolythic and what came to be supercap
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2022-07-11T00:56:08 < catphish> are they in parallel? 450V each?
2022-07-11T00:56:15 < BrainDamage> yes
2022-07-11T00:56:38 < catphish> how much capacity per cap?
2022-07-11T00:56:49 < catphish> i've never seen supercaps at that kind of voltage
2022-07-11T00:56:57 < BrainDamage> it's not supercaps
2022-07-11T00:57:11 < BrainDamage> it's electrolythic with a double-layer effect
2022-07-11T00:57:18 < catphish> what capacity?
2022-07-11T00:57:24 < BrainDamage> 4mF iirc
2022-07-11T00:57:30 < catphish> impressive
2022-07-11T00:57:44 < BrainDamage> they are also 2kg each
2022-07-11T00:58:13 < kaki> how many kilowatthours is 0.2F \dev\ice 450V
2022-07-11T00:58:25 < kaki> hecking autofill of this client
2022-07-11T00:58:39 < BrainDamage> 5.5Wh
2022-07-11T00:58:46 < BrainDamage> not even 1kWh
2022-07-11T00:58:51 < BrainDamage> tiny energy go fast
2022-07-11T00:59:27 < BrainDamage> it discharged itself in 2ms or so
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2022-07-11T00:59:44 < BrainDamage> well, not with the railgun
2022-07-11T00:59:53 < BrainDamage> with the railgun, we intentionally slew down the discharge
2022-07-11T01:00:08 < kaki> it's 19800Ws
2022-07-11T01:00:10 < BrainDamage> otherwise it'd have blown up the projectile and that's it
2022-07-11T01:00:13 < catphish> i made it 0.22Wh
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2022-07-11T01:00:25 < catphish> maybe my math is wrong
2022-07-11T01:00:46 < kaki> it could just about push electric vehicle from stoplight to slight pace
2022-07-11T01:01:05 < BrainDamage> 0.5⋅50⋅4mF⋅(450V)^2
2022-07-11T01:01:26 < kaki> how do you slew down?
2022-07-11T01:01:29 < kaki> inductor?
2022-07-11T01:01:41 < catphish> 450V x 0.004F / 2 = 0.9 amp-seconds. right?
2022-07-11T01:02:15 < BrainDamage> yes, inductors
2022-07-11T01:02:17 < catphish> which is 405 watt-seconds, or 0.11WH
2022-07-11T01:02:27 < catphish> (i forgot to /2 the first time)
2022-07-11T01:02:40 < BrainDamage> you forgot the * 50
2022-07-11T01:02:44 < BrainDamage> that's a single cap
2022-07-11T01:02:56 < catphish> oh yeah, i was calculating single cap
2022-07-11T01:03:14 < kaki> in the photo is the cardboard some sort of shield?
2022-07-11T01:03:20 < catphish> so yea a bank of 50 is 5.6 Wh
2022-07-11T01:03:50 < BrainDamage> yes, for the metal spray
2022-07-11T01:04:07 < catphish> more importantly, this is 20kJ
2022-07-11T01:04:14 < BrainDamage> yup
2022-07-11T01:04:25 < BrainDamage> it's the energy of 1 AA battery, more or less
2022-07-11T01:04:33 < BrainDamage> discharged at an absurd speed
2022-07-11T01:05:00 < catphish> the limit for an air rifle in UK is 16.2J, so this thing (if reasonably efficient) is about equivilent to a good air rifle
2022-07-11T01:05:24 < catphish> wait...
2022-07-11T01:05:41 < BrainDamage> yeah, no, it's equivalent to a light antitank weapon
2022-07-11T01:05:49 < catphish> 1,000 times more powerful than an air rifle...
2022-07-11T01:06:01 < catphish> kJ != J
2022-07-11T01:06:23 < BrainDamage> it just takes 10 min to charge up >_>
2022-07-11T01:06:47 < catphish> it does make me wonder though, one could make something with the power of an air rifle much more reasonably
2022-07-11T01:07:02 < BrainDamage> indeed you can
2022-07-11T01:07:37 < BrainDamage> however, for low energies, coilgun designs are much more efficient
2022-07-11T01:08:02 < kaki> BrainDamage: why it takes 10minutes?
2022-07-11T01:08:04 < BrainDamage> our had 8% efficiency, and that's already stellar for the scrapyard approach
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2022-07-11T01:08:30 < BrainDamage> kaki: because the power supply is the one in the pic, literally 2 transformers back to back and a zvs driver
2022-07-11T01:08:40 < catphish> so for an airgun equivilent i need 200 joules
2022-07-11T01:08:42 < BrainDamage> 200W or so output
2022-07-11T01:09:33 < BrainDamage> err, 50W, not 200
2022-07-11T01:10:13 < BrainDamage> we didn't try to make something practical, we tried to see what we could do with junk and a limited budget
2022-07-11T01:10:27 < BrainDamage> tldr: you can make light antitank weapons with industrial scrap
2022-07-11T01:11:12 < BrainDamage> now for fun, calculate the projectile speed
2022-07-11T01:11:31 < BrainDamage> it was 2 aluminium slug
2022-07-11T01:11:34 < BrainDamage> 2g*
2022-07-11T01:11:55 < BrainDamage> a more serious design would've used something way more massive, so it'd have been slower
2022-07-11T01:12:05 < BrainDamage> instead we wanted to see it going fastah
2022-07-11T01:12:24 < BrainDamage> slower projectile with more mass will lose less KE in flight, our burned in flight
2022-07-11T01:12:37 < BrainDamage> still made to 1.something km/s
2022-07-11T01:12:44 < BrainDamage> notice the s, not the hour :p
2022-07-11T01:13:45 < catphish> wow supercaps are badass
2022-07-11T01:13:48 < catphish> https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/supercapacitors/1351098
2022-07-11T01:14:06 < catphish> 16V 65F 22mOhm
2022-07-11T01:14:45 < BrainDamage> 8kJ
2022-07-11T01:14:49 < BrainDamage> not bad
2022-07-11T01:15:16 < catphish> seems like that would be plenty for a gun
2022-07-11T01:16:10 < catphish> if only 1% of that was transferred into a projectile it would be 80J, 2x the UK airgun limit
2022-07-11T01:16:15 < catphish> *4x
2022-07-11T01:17:44 < BrainDamage> at those voltages you can even use solid state switches
2022-07-11T01:18:03 < BrainDamage> just some mos in parallel and you can finely control it
2022-07-11T01:18:13 < catphish> just trying to figure out how to calculate the discharge curve
2022-07-11T01:18:41 < catphish> oh, it's just 16V / 22.Ohm
2022-07-11T01:18:57 < BrainDamage> it's going to be a bit slow
2022-07-11T01:18:59 < catphish> *mOhm
2022-07-11T01:19:13 < BrainDamage> it'll take about 5s or so to fully discharge when shorted
2022-07-11T01:19:50 < catphish> 727 amps, that's much too slow for a gun :(
2022-07-11T01:19:51 < BrainDamage> normally you want higher voltage and lower capacitance for electric guns
2022-07-11T01:19:55 < catphish> yeah
2022-07-11T01:21:29 < catphish> i rather like film caps 
2022-07-11T01:22:47 < catphish> 4mF 900V 0.75mOhm :)
2022-07-11T01:23:35 < catphish> 1MW, mwahahahahaha
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2022-07-11T01:42:08 < kaki> Laurenceb: train now?
2022-07-11T01:42:12 < Laurenceb> hyperloop invertor has 1kJ stored energy
2022-07-11T01:42:33 < Laurenceb> kaki: I'm thinking of using this for hyperloop
2022-07-11T01:42:35 < Laurenceb> https://danijar.com/project/daydreamer/
2022-07-11T01:43:13 < kaki> for traction control?
2022-07-11T01:43:38 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-11T01:43:51 < Laurenceb> also working on AVRIL for spain
2022-07-11T01:56:33 < englishman> what about a hyperloop propelled by lasers
2022-07-11T01:57:16 < kaki> I thought traction control was rather trivial
2022-07-11T01:58:12 < kaki> measure slip and adjust torque
2022-07-11T02:06:30 < catphish> kaki: basically
2022-07-11T02:07:35 < kaki> why lurencer needs 1Teraflops for it?
2022-07-11T02:08:34 < kaki> :D
2022-07-11T02:08:57 < kaki> 500hz loop
2022-07-11T02:09:03 < BrainDamage> he's using a recursive predictive algo
2022-07-11T02:09:25 < kaki> it's predicting slip before it happens?
2022-07-11T02:10:00 < BrainDamage> not just that, he's predicting quite a few best-worst cases and then picking the most likely
2022-07-11T02:10:09 < kaki> by slip I mean breaking the traction
2022-07-11T02:10:24 < BrainDamage> of both load and control
2022-07-11T02:10:38 < BrainDamage> so it's trying  to be proactive rather than reactive
2022-07-11T02:10:50 < BrainDamage> but in practice, I'm not sure how good that'll work
2022-07-11T02:10:51 < kaki> means more traction?
2022-07-11T02:11:05 < BrainDamage> yes, more margin of control too
2022-07-11T02:11:20 < BrainDamage> because you'll get less slippage
2022-07-11T02:12:34 < BrainDamage> what I wonder is the relative improvement over a dead simple reactive algo
2022-07-11T02:12:52 < BrainDamage> which will run on a pic8f from the 80s
2022-07-11T02:13:15 < Laurenceb> its not just that
2022-07-11T02:13:21 < Laurenceb> it has active steering
2022-07-11T02:13:39 < Laurenceb> thats the really hard part - keeping wheels aligned to +-5mm at 500kph
2022-07-11T02:14:13 < Laurenceb> when there is suspension movement and the vehicle can start to slip sideways etc etc
2022-07-11T02:14:27 < BrainDamage> and I guess thermal expansion
2022-07-11T02:14:33 < BrainDamage> and uneven rail surface
2022-07-11T02:19:35 < BrainDamage> can't you measure linear distance on the rails?
2022-07-11T02:19:43 < BrainDamage> some laser interferometer
2022-07-11T02:19:59 < BrainDamage> as well as linear distance on the wheel
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2022-07-11T02:27:39 < Laurenceb> maybe...
2022-07-11T02:27:57 < Laurenceb> current plan is no sensors at all, use sensorless invertor data
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2022-07-11T12:29:15 < kaki> active steering :o
2022-07-11T12:52:04 < mawk> in what
2022-07-11T12:52:42 < BrainDamage> trains
2022-07-11T12:53:07 < BrainDamage> or his hypedloop
2022-07-11T12:53:14 < BrainDamage> which might use reg wheels
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2022-07-11T15:11:31 < Mangy_Dog> using openocd as the debugger out, is there a print("something") like command i can put into my code to get it to print out what i want?
2022-07-11T15:11:35 < Mangy_Dog> in the console?
2022-07-11T15:12:49 < mawk> I guess yeah
2022-07-11T15:12:53 < mawk> you can use semihosting
2022-07-11T15:13:00 < mawk> then printf("") inside the code will print in gdb
2022-07-11T15:13:15 < mawk> you can also use RTT
2022-07-11T15:13:23 < mawk> https://www.segger.com/products/debug-probes/j-link/technology/about-real-time-transfer/
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2022-07-11T15:16:28 < Steffanx> RTT's performance is much better. 
2022-07-11T15:16:35 < PaulFertser> semihosting affects timing a lot
2022-07-11T15:17:20 < Steffanx> Yeah
2022-07-11T15:18:02 < mawk> RTT is bestest yes
2022-07-11T15:18:17 < Steffanx> It's funny when you can just open a file on your pc and read/write it though.
2022-07-11T15:18:42 < mawk> what do you mean
2022-07-11T15:18:57 < Steffanx> With semihosting you can open a file and do file magic with it.
2022-07-11T15:18:59 < mawk> o
2022-07-11T15:19:01 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-11T15:19:05 < mawk> nice stuff
2022-07-11T15:22:56 < Mangy_Dog> is this something i can do with my stlink clone? :p or do i need a real jlink or jlink firmware on stlink?
2022-07-11T15:23:38 < Mangy_Dog> I just need to print out what im sending to my hardware monitor via serial... see its getting the strings correctly
2022-07-11T15:23:51 < Mangy_Dog> my display based debug out can only show so much
2022-07-11T15:24:48 < mawk> yeah you can do it with your klone
2022-07-11T15:25:03 < mawk> RTT isn't via serial
2022-07-11T15:25:11 < mawk> it's via debugging port itself
2022-07-11T15:25:56 < Mangy_Dog> okays
2022-07-11T15:28:40 < Mangy_Dog> ahhh ok
2022-07-11T15:28:48 < Mangy_Dog> So its liturally a library you attach to the program
2022-07-11T15:28:55 < Mangy_Dog> and have a app that sits listening to it?
2022-07-11T15:29:43 < mawk> kinda yeah
2022-07-11T15:29:54 < mawk> you have debugger active on the pc that retrieves the RTT data in realtime
2022-07-11T15:30:01 < mawk> if no debugger is active data is just lost
2022-07-11T15:30:06 < mawk> no time penalty either way
2022-07-11T15:30:21 < Mangy_Dog> oh what debugger should i use? or does the opebocd i have setup wtih eclipse just grab it?
2022-07-11T15:31:45 < mawk> openocd can do rtt
2022-07-11T15:31:53 < mawk> I don't know if eclipse is setup to grab it though
2022-07-11T15:32:00 < mawk> openocd opens a socket if I remember correctly
2022-07-11T15:32:06 < mawk> then you can read the socket contents with netcat or so
2022-07-11T15:32:35 < Mangy_Dog> okays im just sorting lunch... but then ill have a try with it see if any of the consol outs show anything by default
2022-07-11T15:32:52 < mawk> with a socat command you can maybe even redirect the socket to a tty
2022-07-11T15:33:02 < mawk> and then have eclipse show you the fake tty 
2022-07-11T15:33:08 < mawk> as if it were a real serial port
2022-07-11T15:33:45 < Mangy_Dog> hmm
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2022-07-11T15:35:36 < mawk> socat TCP4:127.0.0.1:8765 PTY,link=/home/mangydog/pty,cfmakeraw
2022-07-11T15:35:38 < mawk> something like this
2022-07-11T15:35:50 < mawk> if openocd gives you port 8765
2022-07-11T15:36:06 < mawk> then in /home/mangydog/pty you have a fake terminal that outputs the RTT data
2022-07-11T15:36:12 < mawk> and you can give that to your eklipß
2022-07-11T15:36:32 < mawk> let me try
2022-07-11T15:37:32 < mawk> yeah it works
2022-07-11T15:38:52 < mawk> then in openocd you can setup rtt, then do rtt server start 8765 0
2022-07-11T15:39:05 < mawk> then do the socat command
2022-07-11T15:39:17 < mawk> which will create the terminal
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2022-07-11T16:47:00 < Mangy_Dog> hmm mawk i downloaded the software pacj of seggers site, but i cant find the library for the prin tout
2022-07-11T16:47:05 < Mangy_Dog> is there another place to get it?
2022-07-11T16:47:22 < mawk> no, you need to get it from segger
2022-07-11T16:47:31 < mawk> you don't need the programs, just the lib
2022-07-11T16:47:42 < Mangy_Dog> got a link to the lib download?
2022-07-11T16:47:45 < Mangy_Dog> its not on that site
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2022-07-11T16:48:50 < mawk> it's just in the regular software pack
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2022-07-11T16:49:28 < Mangy_Dog> hmm
2022-07-11T16:49:38  * Mangy_Dog looks in there again
2022-07-11T16:50:19 < mawk> in Samples/RTT
2022-07-11T16:50:22 < Mangy_Dog> yeah just foudn it
2022-07-11T16:50:31 < Mangy_Dog> like a second before you posted :D
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2022-07-11T17:21:51 < Mangy_Dog> well i got the library inserted and compiling but struggling to find an output
2022-07-11T17:22:03 < Mangy_Dog> cant use seggers own viewer as im using a stlink
2022-07-11T17:23:01 < PaulFertser> OpenOCD can do RTT with any adapter, including stlink.
2022-07-11T17:23:13 < Mangy_Dog> but how do i see the output~?
2022-07-11T17:23:22 < Mangy_Dog> its not in the usual console
2022-07-11T17:24:21 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: it's available on port 8765/tcp after you run openocd command "rtt server start 8765 0"
2022-07-11T17:24:37 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: you can view it any way you prefer, a telnet client would do.
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2022-07-11T17:31:33 < mawk> you do rtt setup with the address of your RTT control block, then rtt start
2022-07-11T17:31:37 < mawk> then you can start the server
2022-07-11T17:31:59 < mawk> did you also use the .c in the code provided by segger Mangy_Dog ?
2022-07-11T17:32:07 < mawk> especially for the syscalls, and for declaring the control block
2022-07-11T17:32:56 < Mangy_Dog> umm no just added the rtt header
2022-07-11T17:33:10 < Mangy_Dog> fixed the drive location include
2022-07-11T17:33:12 < mawk> well that's not enough
2022-07-11T17:33:38 < Mangy_Dog> put in the print out test, it compiles but no other configs
2022-07-11T17:33:47 < Mangy_Dog> oh
2022-07-11T17:33:52 < mawk> you need to build with the .c and .S they providez
2022-07-11T17:34:14 < mawk> and if you want to be able to use regular printf or std::cout you also need to build with the syscalls they provide
2022-07-11T17:34:28 < mawk> include the configuration file also
2022-07-11T17:34:37 < mawk> and modify it
2022-07-11T17:34:51 < Mangy_Dog> SEGGER_RTT_WriteString(0,""); is the function the example uses?
2022-07-11T17:35:23 < Mangy_Dog> i dont mind using that function name
2022-07-11T17:35:29 < Mangy_Dog> as long as i get an output :D
2022-07-11T17:36:40 < mawk> you can use the printf 
2022-07-11T17:36:50 < mawk> but you still need to include all their .c and .S files
2022-07-11T17:37:04 < mawk> use SEGGER_RTT_printf(0, "lol\r\n");
2022-07-11T17:37:18 < mawk> and if you include the syscall file you can just do printf("lol\r\n");
2022-07-11T17:37:20 < Mangy_Dog> ok
2022-07-11T17:37:33 < Mangy_Dog> which c and S files though?
2022-07-11T17:37:44 < mawk> well in the directory where you found everything
2022-07-11T17:37:46 < Mangy_Dog> got #include "SEGGER_RTT_V766g/RTT/SEGGER_RTT.h"
2022-07-11T17:37:50 < mawk> ?
2022-07-11T17:37:52 < mawk> what's that
2022-07-11T17:37:55 < mawk> where did you find that
2022-07-11T17:38:11 < mawk> don't just copy the directory in your code and call it good, copy the files
2022-07-11T17:38:28 < mawk> copy the files that are in RTT in your own project
2022-07-11T17:38:33 < Mangy_Dog> that was the SEGGER_RTT_v766g rar file that had the library?
2022-07-11T17:38:39 < mawk> same for Config/SEGGER_RTT_Conf.h
2022-07-11T17:38:49 < mawk> and same for Syscalls/SEGGER_RTT_Syscalls_GCC.c
2022-07-11T17:38:49 < Mangy_Dog> configs there too
2022-07-11T17:38:58 < Mangy_Dog> but ok ill add them too
2022-07-11T17:38:59 < mawk> yeah, but copy the individual files into your project
2022-07-11T17:39:03 < mawk> don't just paste the directory like that
2022-07-11T17:39:03 < Mangy_Dog> i thought the main header included them
2022-07-11T17:39:10 < mawk> you don't include .c files
2022-07-11T17:39:16 < Mangy_Dog> i know
2022-07-11T17:39:17 < Mangy_Dog> i mean the h
2022-07-11T17:39:57 < Mangy_Dog> oh i was right the conf header is inside the  main rtt header
2022-07-11T17:40:01 < mawk> then make sure you are compiling and linking the .c files
2022-07-11T17:40:23 < Mangy_Dog> i think they are
2022-07-11T17:40:52 < mawk> so find your elf binary, and run arm-none-eabi-nm on it
2022-07-11T17:40:54 < Mangy_Dog> yes they are
2022-07-11T17:41:04 < mawk> and look for the _SEGGER_RTT symbol
2022-07-11T17:41:10 < mawk> the address is what you need to give to openocd
2022-07-11T17:41:39 < mawk> or just ignore that and let openocd look for it
2022-07-11T17:41:44 < mawk> as long as it's in the start of the program
2022-07-11T17:41:50 < mawk> what's the RAM at on your chip?
2022-07-11T17:41:56 < Mangy_Dog> umm
2022-07-11T17:42:04 < Mangy_Dog> honestly forgot
2022-07-11T17:42:05 < Mangy_Dog> f103
2022-07-11T17:42:06 < mawk> 0x20000000 I think
2022-07-11T17:42:20 < mawk> so you type: rtt setup 0x20000000 2048 "SEGGER RTT"
2022-07-11T17:42:28 < mawk> that should be enough, it looks in the first two kilobytes
2022-07-11T17:42:35 < mawk> if it doesn't find it then give the exact address you found with nm
2022-07-11T17:42:39 < mawk> then you do: rtt start
2022-07-11T17:42:46 < Mangy_Dog> where?
2022-07-11T17:42:47 < mawk> and finally: rtt server start 8765 0
2022-07-11T17:42:54 < mawk> these are openocd commands
2022-07-11T17:42:58 < Mangy_Dog> oh
2022-07-11T17:43:08 < mawk> you can maybe get eclipse to pass commands to openocd
2022-07-11T17:43:17 < Mangy_Dog> yeah
2022-07-11T17:43:21 < PaulFertser> Or just run them manually over another telnet connection.
2022-07-11T17:43:24 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-11T17:43:50 < mawk> you can modify your linker script to make _SEGGER_RTT be for sure at the start of the executable
2022-07-11T17:43:54 < mawk> if it doesn't find it
2022-07-11T17:44:39 < Mangy_Dog> am i missing soemthing that didnt work https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695271473308237985/996064448114602104/unknown.png
2022-07-11T17:44:53 < mawk> that's not how you pass commands
2022-07-11T17:45:01 < mawk> you should wrap each of them with -c ""
2022-07-11T17:45:17 < mawk> -c 'rtt setup 0x20000000 2048 "SEGGER RTT"' -c 'rtt start'
2022-07-11T17:45:19 < mawk> like this
2022-07-11T17:45:30 < mawk> then -c 'rtt server start 8765 0'
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2022-07-11T17:45:42 < mawk> maybe you have to do -c 'init' first
2022-07-11T17:46:06 < mawk> you can also write a custom script with these commands, then load the script with -f
2022-07-11T17:46:18 < Mangy_Dog> Unexpected command line argument: SEGGER
2022-07-11T17:46:27 < mawk> how did you do it?
2022-07-11T17:46:42 < mawk> put it in a custom script, you will have less escaping issues
2022-07-11T17:46:47 < Mangy_Dog> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695271473308237985/996065009195044984/unknown.png
2022-07-11T17:46:53 < mawk> then you do -f path\to\your\script.cfg
2022-07-11T17:47:01 < mawk> you used ""
2022-07-11T17:47:06 < mawk> I told you with ''
2022-07-11T17:47:14 < Mangy_Dog> sighs ok
2022-07-11T17:47:14 < mawk> because "" is already used inside the command, you can reuse it
2022-07-11T17:47:18 < mawk> or else you need to escape it inside the command
2022-07-11T17:47:32 < mawk> -c "rtt setup 0x20000000 2048 \"SEGGER\""
2022-07-11T17:47:33 < mawk> like this
2022-07-11T17:47:38 < mawk> I'm not sure if it's going to work
2022-07-11T17:47:48 < mawk> you can't reuse it*
2022-07-11T17:50:00 < Mangy_Dog> well it runs, but not seeing an output in the debugger console
2022-07-11T17:50:08 < mawk> which debugger console?
2022-07-11T17:50:13 < mawk> did you open a telnet to 127.0.0.1 8765 ?
2022-07-11T17:50:20 < mawk> that's where the output is, we told you
2022-07-11T17:50:35 < mawk> the output is on TCP port 8765
2022-07-11T17:51:06 < mawk> just a console and telnet to 127.0.0.1 8765
2022-07-11T17:51:10 < Mangy_Dog> i dont have a telnet app one min ill get pidgeon
2022-07-11T17:51:11 < mawk> install telnet if you don't have it
2022-07-11T17:51:16 < mawk> use putty, it supports telnet
2022-07-11T17:51:20 < Mangy_Dog> sorry putty
2022-07-11T17:51:31 < mawk> you can also install the native telnet command
2022-07-11T17:51:41 < mawk> if you go to programs in the windows settings, and "enable windows features"
2022-07-11T17:51:57 < mawk> in the old control panel
2022-07-11T17:51:58 < Mangy_Dog> yeah prefer putty :D
2022-07-11T17:52:33 < mawk> and you don't see any error in the openocd log?
2022-07-11T17:52:39 < mawk> it said it found the RTT block?
2022-07-11T17:58:14 < Mangy_Dog> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695271473308237985/996067877805371472/unknown.png
2022-07-11T17:58:22 < Mangy_Dog> not get anything
2022-07-11T17:58:32 < Mangy_Dog> appears to be connecting
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2022-07-11T19:29:10 < Laurenceb> >discord
2022-07-11T19:35:55 < Mangy_Dog> easiest way for me to quickly post images
2022-07-11T19:53:03 < specing> Mangy_Dog: matrix
2022-07-11T19:53:09 < Mangy_Dog> ?
2022-07-11T19:53:10 < specing> even posts the link automatically!
2022-07-11T19:53:33 < specing> https://matrix.to/#/##stm32:libera.chat?via=libera.chat
2022-07-11T19:55:37 < Mangy_Dog> so whats matrix exsactly
2022-07-11T19:59:35 < specing> decentralysed and federated chat
2022-07-11T19:59:50 < specing> with all the bells and whistles people expect
2022-07-11T20:04:40 < Steffanx> Written in Ada?
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2022-07-11T20:26:53 < specing> unfortunately not, the implementations are almost all webshit
2022-07-11T20:27:06 < specing> but it's what people love and expect
2022-07-11T20:27:42 < srk> no, core is python
2022-07-11T20:27:49 < srk> synapse
2022-07-11T20:28:03 < srk> which sucks hard because it needs like 2G of ram
2022-07-11T20:28:16 < srk> but there's another rust implementation in progress called dendrite
2022-07-11T20:38:55 < Mangy_Dog> mawk i got the thing connected to telnet but im not getting output from it
2022-07-11T20:39:16 < Mangy_Dog> also i foudn the telnet terminal window for eclipse
2022-07-11T20:45:49 < PaulFertser> Mangy_Dog: sorry, I never used RTT, I guess you have to wait for mawk for additional ideas.
2022-07-11T20:46:09 < Mangy_Dog> :/
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2022-07-11T22:44:03 < upgrdman> i want to "trigger" usb-pd to provide 12v. is there an easy way to do that with resistors, or does it actually negotiate over d+/d-?
2022-07-11T22:45:36 < emeryth> no way, usb-pd is hella complex
2022-07-11T22:45:46 < upgrdman> k
2022-07-11T22:46:08 < emeryth> you could do it with a Quick Charge charger with very simple logic, but not usb-pd
2022-07-11T22:47:13 < emeryth> I mean there are ready made chinese chips to trigger PD, but it's not just resistors
2022-07-11T22:47:33 < catphish> USB-PD is simple!
2022-07-11T22:47:39 < catphish> ...if you just buy a chip and plug it in
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2022-07-11T22:49:01 < PaulFertser> USB PD goes over CC pins, not regular data pins.
2022-07-11T22:49:34 < PaulFertser> QC logic is still logic though, not resistors.
2022-07-11T22:50:25 < upgrdman> k
2022-07-11T22:51:36 < PaulFertser> https://www.instructables.com/QC-30-Trigger/
2022-07-11T22:53:36 < kaki> hello early crews
2022-07-11T22:54:02 < kaki> interesting link PaulFertser
2022-07-11T22:54:51 < englishman> upgrdman: the easiest way is to use a standalond pd negotation chip
2022-07-11T22:55:06 < englishman> cypress has one, st has one
2022-07-11T22:55:10 < englishman> and some others
2022-07-11T22:55:46 < emeryth> can you actually buy either of those?
2022-07-11T22:55:50 < kaki> QC3.0 can do 200mV steps.. you can maybe skip one regulator by using that
2022-07-11T22:55:57 < englishman> yes, for $400 each
2022-07-11T22:56:08 < upgrdman> hmm ya i found some "pd trigger" moduels on amazon.
2022-07-11T22:57:24 < emeryth> yeah, they use IP2721
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2022-07-11T23:28:22 < upgrdman> e-stop buttons are too expensive   https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/vw0vik/shitty_day_at_work_in_china/
2022-07-11T23:28:37 < Jookia> QC over type-c isn't really allowed 👀
2022-07-11T23:30:59 < zyp> bullshit
2022-07-11T23:31:07 < rajkosto> absolutely allowed
2022-07-11T23:31:17 < Jookia> oh, did they update the spec?
2022-07-11T23:31:27 < rajkosto> whats it got to do with the spec ?
2022-07-11T23:31:42 < Jookia> the type-c spec says you can't have proprietary charging protocols on a type-c connector
2022-07-11T23:31:50 < rajkosto> you negotiate PD via the CC pin, you negotiate QC via the data pins
2022-07-11T23:32:11 < zyp> Jookia, quote please
2022-07-11T23:32:26 < Jookia> zyp: really? ok one sec
2022-07-11T23:32:36 < upgrdman> my dell laptop has a 130W usb-c charger... guessing they're not using normal usb-pd
2022-07-11T23:33:13 < upgrdman> or maybe dell is just like "let's negotiate 100W and try to draw 130W, lol, wcgw?"
2022-07-11T23:33:17 < Jookia> zyp: https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/USB%20Type-C%20Spec%20R2.0%20-%20August%202019.pdf section 4.6.2.3
2022-07-11T23:33:33 < zyp> upgrdman, unless it's new enough to have PD 3.1
2022-07-11T23:33:36 < Jookia> "Devices with USB Type-C connectors shall only employ signaling methods defined in USB specifications to negotiate power ."
2022-07-11T23:33:51 < upgrdman> zyp, 2021 xps 17, i think that's before pd3.1
2022-07-11T23:36:35 < zyp> Jookia, QC 4 is based on PD
2022-07-11T23:37:23 < Jookia> zyp: ok?
2022-07-11T23:49:04 < qyx> qc isn't banned yet?
2022-07-11T23:50:34 < zyp> you can't ban stupidity, people are gonna do what they want either way, all you can do is design stuff sanely so people got less of a reason to fuck it up
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2022-07-12T00:01:21 < englishman> huh, that's pretty clear
2022-07-12T00:01:29 < englishman> although it's not clear when that section was deprecated
2022-07-12T00:02:03 < englishman> what does Qc4 have to add over usbpd?
2022-07-12T00:02:50 < zyp> not sure, but given that it exists I assume it must have some purpose
2022-07-12T00:03:45 < zyp> unless it's all just marketing wank given that QC was an established name
2022-07-12T00:03:54 < zyp> repackage PD, call it QC 4, profit
2022-07-12T00:04:06 < rajkosto> maybe they adding 200mV steps to PD now
2022-07-12T00:05:06 < zyp> pretty sure that was already supported in PD
2022-07-12T00:05:28 < rajkosto> it is ? i thought it was 9V, 12V, 15V, 20V etc
2022-07-12T00:05:37 < rajkosto> and not all chargers support all the modes
2022-07-12T00:05:56 < zyp> PD supports variable voltage as well, not sure since when, but I've yet to see a charger actually implementing it
2022-07-12T00:07:13 < zyp> IIRC PD also supports unregulated voltages like e.g. solar panels, where the device side can do regulation
2022-07-12T00:07:40 < catphish> zyp: that's pretty cool
2022-07-12T00:08:02 < zyp> I think karlp was looking for variable voltage PD chargers once, not sure whether he found any
2022-07-12T00:26:49 < ds2> isn't variable PD a new standard?
2022-07-12T00:33:21 < zyp> hmm, not sure
2022-07-12T00:33:31 < Laurenceb> uh oh
2022-07-12T00:33:35 < zyp> it's in PD 2.0 1.3 at least, dated january 2017
2022-07-12T00:33:44 < Laurenceb> spacex startship had minor splosion
2022-07-12T00:35:54 < catphish> :(
2022-07-12T00:38:52 < Laurenceb> https://nitter.pussthecat.org/elonmusk/status/1546607458461880321#m
2022-07-12T00:38:57 < Laurenceb> cpp; story bro
2022-07-12T00:39:01 < Laurenceb> *cool
2022-07-12T00:44:28 < Laurenceb> maybe they screwed up the ignition so there was a methane cloud
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2022-07-12T01:15:46 < Laurenceb> hmm I'm getting confused by iptables
2022-07-12T01:16:00 < Laurenceb> to swap udp port number on localhost is it best to use the mangle table?
2022-07-12T01:23:03 < catphish> normally you'd use the nat table for such changes
2022-07-12T01:23:13 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-12T01:23:15 < Laurenceb> sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp --dport $can_port -m u32 --u32 "28 & 0x1F000000 = 0x07000000" -j REDIRECT --to-port $otmr_port
2022-07-12T01:23:43 < catphish> seems about right
2022-07-12T01:23:59 < Laurenceb> PREROUTING is ok to swap port of stuff on localhost?
2022-07-12T01:25:33 < catphish> yes, you normally use REDIRECT with -t nat -A PREROUTING
2022-07-12T01:25:46 < catphish> this should work
2022-07-12T01:26:51 < Laurenceb> ok thanks
2022-07-12T01:32:41 < ds2> how many common PD supplies support variable voltage?
2022-07-12T01:34:01 < upgrdman> Laurenceb, you might like this https://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/vw0vik/shitty_day_at_work_in_china/
2022-07-12T01:34:10 < mawk> why do you use --u32 Laurenceb 
2022-07-12T01:34:14 < mawk> what are you testing for
2022-07-12T01:35:08 < catphish> mawk: he's doing some weird hack where he redirects certain packets from an application to another part of the application, i think
2022-07-12T01:36:05 < catphish> i didn't check, i hope / assume this is an application layer match
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2022-07-12T01:41:08 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-12T01:41:31 < Laurenceb> first byte of udp packet is lowest 8bit of CAN id
2022-07-12T01:41:49 < Laurenceb> this is haxoring can data by converting to udp
2022-07-12T01:49:21 < catphish> seems like an unusually clear and valid case for a -u32 and a -j REDIRECT :)
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2022-07-12T01:51:59 < Laurenceb> wow the james webb space telescope conference is cringe
2022-07-12T01:52:29 < Laurenceb> https://stsci-opo.org/STScI-01G7JJADTH90FR98AKKJFKSS0B.png
2022-07-12T01:52:36 < Laurenceb> warning ,big
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2022-07-12T01:55:05 < Jookia> it's day XXXX of trying to figure out why optee won't work :(
2022-07-12T01:55:58 < Jookia> starting to suspect compiler bug
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2022-07-12T02:35:48 < Laurenceb> Pastebin’s SMART filters have detected potentially offensive or questionable content in your paste.
2022-07-12T02:35:52 < Laurenceb> what the fuuuu
2022-07-12T02:37:18 < Laurenceb> sheet
2022-07-12T02:43:07 < kaki> you will be banned from internets now?
2022-07-12T02:48:32 < Laurenceb> probably
2022-07-12T02:48:36 < Laurenceb> the absolute state
2022-07-12T02:48:49 < Laurenceb> pastie is still uncensored
2022-07-12T02:48:58 < Laurenceb> lolll
2022-07-12T02:49:04 < Laurenceb> >gaddamit is a banned word
2022-07-12T02:49:20 < Laurenceb> >"fuck off" is b&
2022-07-12T02:49:47 < Laurenceb> loll someone got b& for code containing a variable called booty
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2022-07-12T15:20:02 < mawk> Steffanx https://youtu.be/xIjWNsQhSAY
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2022-07-12T15:20:07 < mawk> it's a nice french song
2022-07-12T15:20:31 < mawk> about killing politicians, spitting on their tombs, burning churches
2022-07-12T15:21:53 < Jookia> flashing light alert for video
2022-07-12T15:35:04 < mawk> it's a love song
2022-07-12T15:35:28 < mawk> the title is a pun, "I want to do love/death with you"
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2022-07-12T16:20:17 < bitmask> anyone know how they colored the webb images?
2022-07-12T16:20:49 < bitmask> is it an accurate range just blue shifted?
2022-07-12T16:21:21 < bitmask> or an artists rendition
2022-07-12T16:21:36 < mawk> is it not visible spectrum?
2022-07-12T16:21:45 < mawk> then it'd be true colors
2022-07-12T16:21:47 < bitmask> thought webb was only infrared?
2022-07-12T16:21:50 < mawk> ah
2022-07-12T16:21:54 < mawk> I don't know 
2022-07-12T16:22:46 < mawk> maybe they would blue shift the range to visible, but I don't know if that would give best results
2022-07-12T16:23:02 < mawk> I would imagine a custom color scheme designed to look good and clear
2022-07-12T16:23:22 < bitmask> yea thats why im wondering
2022-07-12T16:24:42 < bitmask> and how do you determine how far/old the light is? i guess it cant purely be wavelength, i guess comparison with older data or something, i dunno
2022-07-12T16:25:20 < bitmask> the amount the light has redshifted in x amount of time based on the expansion of the universe
2022-07-12T16:25:35 < bitmask> although i dont think the expansion is uniform
2022-07-12T16:26:08 < mawk> using standard candles
2022-07-12T16:26:16 < mawk> nearby stars with known age
2022-07-12T16:26:19 < mawk> something like this
2022-07-12T16:26:37 < bitmask> hmm
2022-07-12T16:26:44 < mawk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_distance_ladder#Standard_candles
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2022-07-12T16:27:13 < mawk> then you know distance with these
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2022-07-12T16:27:43 < bitmask> they use a be on the lookout meter
2022-07-12T16:27:46 < bitmask> sorry bad joke
2022-07-12T16:28:44 < mawk> what's a lookout meter 
2022-07-12T16:28:54 < bitmask> it says they use a bolometer
2022-07-12T16:29:03 < bitmask> bolo means be on the lookout for cops
2022-07-12T16:29:03 < mawk> ah
2022-07-12T16:29:07 < mawk> ooo
2022-07-12T16:29:14 < mawk> lol
2022-07-12T16:29:20 < mawk> bolognese
2022-07-12T16:29:24 < bitmask> dont laugh, it doesnt deserve it
2022-07-12T16:29:29 < bitmask> :)
2022-07-12T16:30:48 < mawk> I think we had one of these in school lab
2022-07-12T16:31:17 < mawk> also some expensive pieces of kit, like a michelson-morlay interferometer
2022-07-12T16:31:25 < mawk> "if you drop it you pay it mawk!!"
2022-07-12T16:31:39 < mawk> I probably broke at least one expensive thing there
2022-07-12T16:31:56 < bitmask> heh
2022-07-12T16:34:26 < bitmask> The color results from assigning different hues (colors) to each monochromatic (grayscale) image associated with an individual filter. In this case, the assigned colors are:   Red: F444W Orange: F356W  Green: F200W + F277W Blue: F090W + F150W
2022-07-12T16:38:31 < bitmask> F444W is about 4-5 microns, F356W is about 3-4, F200W is about 1.5-2.2, F277W is about 2.4-3.3, F090W is about 0.8-1.0 and F150W is about 1.3-1.6
2022-07-12T16:39:54 < bitmask> so yea its in the right order just blueshifted
2022-07-12T16:40:12 < bitmask> https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/files/97978094/97978103/1/1596073152060/nircam_filters.png
2022-07-12T16:57:16 < mawk> right
2022-07-12T17:09:04 < bitmask> oh noes, i gotta stop this rabbit hole
2022-07-12T17:09:14  * bitmask closes chrome
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2022-07-12T17:56:30 < Sadale> I find it weird how color can be assigned this way. To the general public those people who see the photo may mistakenly believe that the color are the actual color.
2022-07-12T18:01:33 < PaulFertser> What harm will it do?
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2022-07-12T18:12:20 < Sadale> hmm. being misleading? Dunno.
2022-07-12T18:12:49 < Sadale> Whoever realize that would be like "ohhhh! So the color is fake! Damn. I was being lied to."
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2022-07-12T18:29:25 < bitmask> seems a bit extreme. i mean how else are you gonna look at it
2022-07-12T18:39:22 < Sadale> hmm. Indeed. I guess there isn't much harm, really.
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2022-07-12T19:01:01 < Laurenceb> https://www.conservationevidence.com/actions/1768
2022-07-12T19:02:26 < Laurenceb> memetic
2022-07-12T19:09:27 < Mangy_Dog> mawk are you still around to help? As mentioned it seems i got it running but im not getting any output. I did noticed something in the docs for RTT in openocd, 'rtt start' but im unable to add that to the command list, as it needs to be entered after the program has started
2022-07-12T19:09:53 < mawk> add -c init
2022-07-12T19:09:58 < mawk> before the RTT commands 
2022-07-12T19:10:11 < mawk> this will tell openocd it's a command for when program is running 
2022-07-12T19:10:23 < Mangy_Dog> ahh k
2022-07-12T19:11:30 < Laurenceb> hmf
2022-07-12T19:11:41 < Laurenceb> muh iptables redirect rule isnt redirecting
2022-07-12T19:12:29 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/p/1x6nNXOKTBL9Vpgfw5MY8a
2022-07-12T19:14:05 < Laurenceb> I used MSG_DONTROUTE on my transmit socket
2022-07-12T19:15:07 < Mangy_Dog> hmmm still no readout on telnet :/
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2022-07-12T19:21:09 < mawk> but what does openocd says
2022-07-12T19:21:16 < mawk> does the telnet even opens?
2022-07-12T19:21:29 < mawk> did you follow every command in the openocd doc for rtt?
2022-07-12T19:21:40 < mawk> you should see in the openocd logs if it found the control block 
2022-07-12T19:21:47 < Mangy_Dog> Info : accepting 'rtt' connection on tcp/9090  (i changed the port to 9090 simply because the docs were using it
2022-07-12T19:21:52 < mawk> before that
2022-07-12T19:22:00 < mawk> you don't see it found the control block?
2022-07-12T19:22:18 < mawk> does it do rtt start and so on?
2022-07-12T19:22:27 < mawk> and setting the address of control block
2022-07-12T19:22:56 < mawk> and do you do SEGGER_RTT_printf(0, "lol\r\n"); in your code
2022-07-12T19:23:12 < Mangy_Dog> just reading through the comman line console.... no control block found
2022-07-12T19:23:29 < mawk> did you include the rtt headers?
2022-07-12T19:23:34 < mawk> and the .c files of course
2022-07-12T19:23:51 < mawk> you said they were compiled in, so can you check the list of symbols to find it?
2022-07-12T19:23:56 < mawk> with nm
2022-07-12T19:24:06 < mawk> it's in your gcc toolchain
2022-07-12T19:24:15 < mawk> arm-none-eabi-nm
2022-07-12T19:24:27 < mawk> find the _SEGGER_RTT symbol
2022-07-12T19:24:32 < Mangy_Dog> SEGGER_RTT.h"  added to each module that i was plannign to read out from
2022-07-12T19:24:48 < mawk> and the .c files are they compiled and link with your code? check with nm
2022-07-12T19:25:01 < mawk> find the elf file, run nm on it
2022-07-12T19:25:22 < Mangy_Dog> nm?
2022-07-12T19:25:28 < mawk> yes, arm-none-eabi-nm
2022-07-12T19:25:40 < mawk> a command that is in your gnu compiler toolchain
2022-07-12T19:25:56 < mawk> probably hidden away in eclipse directories if you didn't download it yourself 
2022-07-12T19:26:01 < Mangy_Dog> the tool chain is kind of ... automated
2022-07-12T19:26:05 < Mangy_Dog> i didnt set it up myself
2022-07-12T19:26:07 < mawk> eclipse probably can show you symbols of your elf
2022-07-12T19:26:10 < Mangy_Dog> yeah
2022-07-12T19:26:24 < mawk> in anycase you can download the toolchain if you can't find it and get nm from there 
2022-07-12T19:26:29 < mawk> or use eclipse
2022-07-12T19:26:36 < mawk> and find that symbol
2022-07-12T19:27:55 < mawk> so what's the address of the symbol
2022-07-12T19:28:25 < mawk> if it's too far from the start of ram modify your linker script to place it first
2022-07-12T19:28:26 < Mangy_Dog> the elf itself wont load to anything readable in eclipse
2022-07-12T19:28:39 < mawk> yeah usually it's not like that
2022-07-12T19:28:45 < mawk> you'd have a tab with all symbols
2022-07-12T19:28:50 < mawk> maybe in the debugger view
2022-07-12T19:29:02 < mawk> anyway just download the toolchain and use nm from that
2022-07-12T19:29:10 < Mangy_Dog> the tree view shows all the included headers and c file sof the entire compile
2022-07-12T19:29:17 < Mangy_Dog> i have the tool chain somewhere one min
2022-07-12T19:29:33 < mawk> https://developer.arm.com/-/media/Files/downloads/gnu-rm/10.3-2021.10/gcc-arm-none-eabi-10.3-2021.10-win32.zip
2022-07-12T19:30:06 < mawk> good then run arm-none-eabi-nm.exe on the elf and look for _SEGGER_RTT
2022-07-12T19:31:14 < Laurenceb>   0     0 REDIRECT   udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpt:1251 u32 "0x1c&0x1f000000=0x2000000:0x4000000" redir ports 1252
2022-07-12T19:31:32 < Laurenceb> rules are there but no matching, but I can see matching data on the port
2022-07-12T19:31:34 < mawk> what do you use u32 for Laurenceb 
2022-07-12T19:31:43 < Laurenceb> matching packet contents
2022-07-12T19:31:46 < mawk> use the trace target to know what a rule does
2022-07-12T19:31:48 < Laurenceb> I'll try drop
2022-07-12T19:31:50 < mawk> yeah but what contents
2022-07-12T19:31:54 < mawk> which protocol is it
2022-07-12T19:31:59 < Laurenceb> raw binary
2022-07-12T19:32:02 < mawk> ah
2022-07-12T19:32:07 < mawk> are you sure about the matcher?
2022-07-12T19:32:15 < mawk> why is it for localhost?
2022-07-12T19:32:17 < Mangy_Dog> 200042e4 B _SEGGER_RTT
2022-07-12T19:32:18 < Laurenceb> can data shoved onto the port, first 4 bytes is the can uid
2022-07-12T19:32:33 < mawk> good Mangy_Dog so that's too far from the start of the ram
2022-07-12T19:32:37 < Laurenceb> I'll check with DROP, that worked yesterday
2022-07-12T19:32:46 < mawk> but to test it quickly you can give address 0x200042e4
2022-07-12T19:32:54 < mawk> in the openocd command
2022-07-12T19:33:01 < mawk> instead of 0x20000000
2022-07-12T19:33:08 < mawk> that won't change a thing Laurenceb 
2022-07-12T19:33:19 < mawk> if the rule doesn't match with redirect it won't match with drop
2022-07-12T19:33:26 < Laurenceb> nope DROP is working perfectly
2022-07-12T19:33:29 < mawk> you can also just not put a target, then it's a counting rule
2022-07-12T19:33:30 < Laurenceb> just tried it
2022-07-12T19:33:43 < mawk> then you're doing something wrong with the command
2022-07-12T19:33:52 < mawk> target doesn't influence the matching
2022-07-12T19:34:05 < Mangy_Dog> was getting excited, still no control block found
2022-07-12T19:34:27 < mawk> show the command Mangy_Dog 
2022-07-12T19:34:44 < Mangy_Dog> -c "set FLASH_SIZE 131072" -f "interface\stlink-v2.cfg" -f "target\stm32f1x.cfg"
2022-07-12T19:34:44 < Mangy_Dog> -c init
2022-07-12T19:34:44 < Mangy_Dog> -c 'rtt setup  0x200042e4 2048 "_SEGGER_RTT"' 
2022-07-12T19:34:44 < Mangy_Dog> -c 'rtt server start 9090 0'
2022-07-12T19:34:44 < Mangy_Dog> -c 'rtt start'
2022-07-12T19:34:51 < Laurenceb> mawk: this diagram suggests otherwise?  https://erlerobotics.gitbooks.io/erle-robotics-introduction-to-linux-networking/content/security/img9/iptables.gif
2022-07-12T19:34:53 < mawk> maybe put 0x20004200 as address
2022-07-12T19:35:09 < mawk> a bit before the block
2022-07-12T19:35:43 < mawk> this diagram doesn't say anything about matching Laurenceb 
2022-07-12T19:35:46 < Mangy_Dog> still not found :/
2022-07-12T19:35:52 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-12T19:36:01 < mawk> don't you have init commands to call Mangy_Dog ?
2022-07-12T19:36:06 < mawk> also put a delay maybe
2022-07-12T19:36:12 < Laurenceb>  sudo iptables -D INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp --dport $can_port -m u32 --u32 "28 & 0x1F000000 = 0x02000000:0x04000000" -j DROP
2022-07-12T19:36:15 < Laurenceb> ^that works
2022-07-12T19:36:17 < mawk> rtt isn't initialized as soon as the program starts
2022-07-12T19:36:30 < Laurenceb> sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp --dport $can_port -m u32 --u32 "28 & 0x1F000000 = 0x02000000:0x04000000" -j REDIRECT --to-port $otmr_port
2022-07-12T19:36:36 < Laurenceb> ^that fails to match anything
2022-07-12T19:36:39 < mawk> you can type the commands manually after openocd is started Mangy_Dog 
2022-07-12T19:36:43 < mawk> in another telnet session
2022-07-12T19:36:51 < Laurenceb> ignore the -D , s / -D / -A
2022-07-12T19:36:59 < mawk> it's not even the same table, Laurenceb 
2022-07-12T19:37:04 < mawk> you didn't just change the -j
2022-07-12T19:37:04 < Laurenceb> so?
2022-07-12T19:37:13 < mawk> well so the table has an influence on matching 
2022-07-12T19:37:14 < mawk> lol
2022-07-12T19:37:17 < Mangy_Dog> not sure i can do it through telnet as i get the error wrn : rtt down-channel 0  ios not available
2022-07-12T19:37:27 < Laurenceb> mawk: yeah in the diagram right?
2022-07-12T19:37:45 < mawk> I said changing the value of -j doesn't change matching, Laurenceb 
2022-07-12T19:37:49 < Mangy_Dog> how can i add a delay to the ocd command list?
2022-07-12T19:37:52 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-12T19:37:56 < mawk> you're changing other stuff besides that
2022-07-12T19:38:03 < mawk> so of course matching is different 
2022-07-12T19:38:04 < Laurenceb> hmf
2022-07-12T19:38:14 < mawk> Mangy_Dog sleep probably 
2022-07-12T19:38:18 < mawk> -c sleep 5
2022-07-12T19:38:19 < Laurenceb> mangle tble wouldnt accept that argument
2022-07-12T19:38:22 < mawk> or 5000 
2022-07-12T19:38:27 < mawk> Laurenceb put no argument
2022-07-12T19:38:31 < mawk> no -j
2022-07-12T19:38:35 < mawk> then it's a counting rule
2022-07-12T19:38:45 < Laurenceb> ah ok I'll have a go
2022-07-12T19:38:51 < mawk> or put -j TRACE, I think?
2022-07-12T19:39:07 < mawk> then you can trace how the rule is interpreted and all that
2022-07-12T19:39:15 < mawk> in the kernel log
2022-07-12T19:39:44 < Mangy_Dog> -c sleep 5000  gives unexpected command 5000
2022-07-12T19:39:46 < Mangy_Dog> error
2022-07-12T19:39:52 < mawk> use quotes
2022-07-12T19:39:58 < mawk> -c "sleep 5000"
2022-07-12T19:40:06 < mawk> I don't know if it expects seconds or ms
2022-07-12T19:40:13 < Laurenceb>   0     0 TRACE      udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpt:1251 u32 "0x1c&0x1f000000=0x2000000:0x4000000"
2022-07-12T19:40:15 < mawk> look in the rtt headers there is maybe an init function you can call early
2022-07-12T19:40:16 < Mangy_Dog> nods ill try
2022-07-12T19:40:34 < mawk> why do you match on localhost Laurenceb 
2022-07-12T19:40:48 < Laurenceb> mawk: I need to intercept data there
2022-07-12T19:40:56 < mawk> address is localhost when you sent the packet yourself
2022-07-12T19:41:00 < Laurenceb> sure
2022-07-12T19:41:12 < mawk> to yourself
2022-07-12T19:41:39 < mawk> I don't think you can match on src address localhost like this
2022-07-12T19:41:43 < Laurenceb> I have a ton of software modules, I don't have authority to rewrite a lot of them
2022-07-12T19:41:47 < Mangy_Dog> appears to be ms
2022-07-12T19:41:55 < Laurenceb> mawk: it works with DROP
2022-07-12T19:42:04 < mawk> yes, in a different table
2022-07-12T19:42:25 < Laurenceb> hmm ok I'll see if anything has done this before
2022-07-12T19:42:35 < mawk> remove the localhost thing
2022-07-12T19:42:38 < mawk> and see if it still matches
2022-07-12T19:43:04 < mawk> then look in iptables-extensions manual there is something to match locally generated packets probably 
2022-07-12T19:43:14 < mawk> else you can mark them in OUTPUT table in mangle
2022-07-12T19:43:22 < mawk> or something like this
2022-07-12T19:43:39 < mawk> also REDIRECT tend to go in the nat table, why mangle Laurenceb ?
2022-07-12T19:44:00 < Mangy_Dog> still not finding the control block no matter where i put the sleep
2022-07-12T19:44:00 < mawk> mangle is for setting packet marks and such
2022-07-12T19:44:09 < Mangy_Dog> though it seems sleep is also delaying the start of the mcu too
2022-07-12T19:44:16 < mawk> how are you printing in your code?
2022-07-12T19:44:26 < mawk> well type the commands yourself after the mcu started
2022-07-12T19:44:45 < mawk> remove the commands from there, start your code, then connect to openocd with telnet and type the commands 
2022-07-12T19:44:55 < Laurenceb> hmm OUTPUT with nat fails
2022-07-12T19:45:16 < Mangy_Dog> ok
2022-07-12T19:45:18 < mawk> maybe PaulFertser can help to tell us if there's a way to periodically scan for the control block
2022-07-12T19:45:33 < Laurenceb> aha its working
2022-07-12T19:45:39 < Laurenceb> mangle table and OUTPUT
2022-07-12T19:45:57 < mawk> OUTPUT is for locally generated packets
2022-07-12T19:46:10 < Laurenceb> Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
2022-07-12T19:46:10 < Laurenceb>  pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source               destination
2022-07-12T19:46:11 < Laurenceb>   886 32896 TRACE      udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpt:1251 u32 "0x1c&0x1f000000=0x2000000:0x4000000"
2022-07-12T19:46:12 < mawk> locally generated packets do not go through PREROUTING usually
2022-07-12T19:46:17 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-12T19:46:18 < mawk> you have to do some magic for that to happen
2022-07-12T19:48:09 < Mangy_Dog> still no control block found
2022-07-12T19:48:30 < mawk> if the mcu running? how do you know 
2022-07-12T19:48:42 < Mangy_Dog> openocd says so
2022-07-12T19:48:46 < mawk> and again, how are you printing in your code?
2022-07-12T19:48:51 < Mangy_Dog> telnet
2022-07-12T19:48:54 < mawk> how does it say so?
2022-07-12T19:49:06 < mawk> it could be in reset
2022-07-12T19:49:17 < Mangy_Dog> both in telnet and in the openocd console in eclipse
2022-07-12T19:49:26 < mawk> what did you do in your source code to print to rtt?
2022-07-12T19:49:44 < mawk> there is a rtt initialize function, you might want to try to call it early
2022-07-12T19:49:58 < Mangy_Dog>   SEGGER_RTT_ConfigUpBuffer(0, NULL, NULL, 0, SEGGER_RTT_MODE_BLOCK_IF_FIFO_FULL);
2022-07-12T19:49:58 < Mangy_Dog>   SEGGER_RTT_Init();
2022-07-12T19:49:58 < Mangy_Dog>   SEGGER_RTT_SetTerminal(0);
2022-07-12T19:49:58 < Mangy_Dog>   SEGGER_RTT_printf(0, "SEGGER Real-Time-Terminal Sample\r\n");
2022-07-12T19:50:09 < mawk> are you sure about these?
2022-07-12T19:50:29 < mawk> if you debug your code, does it get there!
2022-07-12T19:50:30 < mawk> ?*
2022-07-12T19:50:36 < Mangy_Dog> yeah
2022-07-12T19:50:43 < Mangy_Dog> goes past it and into the rest of my program
2022-07-12T19:50:55 < mawk> and does SEGGER_RTT_ contains anything?
2022-07-12T19:51:00 < mawk> when you look with the debugger
2022-07-12T19:51:12 < mawk> you know the address, you can look at the bytes inside 
2022-07-12T19:51:25 < mawk> it should contain "SEGGER_RTT" or something 
2022-07-12T19:54:19 < Mangy_Dog> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695271473308237985/996459482768998460/unknown.png
2022-07-12T19:54:28 < Mangy_Dog> upper right
2022-07-12T19:54:44 < Mangy_Dog> took a moment to find the right window
2022-07-12T19:55:29 < mawk> don't put it in instruction modes
2022-07-12T19:55:31 < mawk> just data
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2022-07-12T19:56:03 < mawk> well
2022-07-12T19:56:10 < mawk> you see bottom left it contains SEGGER 
2022-07-12T19:56:12 < mawk> so it's good
2022-07-12T19:56:25 < mawk> are you sure you opened a openocd telnet and typed the commands yourself?
2022-07-12T19:56:37 < mawk> because that's the control block
2022-07-12T19:56:53 < Mangy_Dog> yes
2022-07-12T19:57:10 < mawk> look in source code, maybe it doesn't contain _SEGGER_RTT
2022-07-12T19:57:17 < mawk> try with just SEGGER for instance 
2022-07-12T19:57:20 < mawk> see what happens
2022-07-12T19:57:33 < Mangy_Dog> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695271473308237985/996460302692524072/unknown.png
2022-07-12T19:57:53 < Mangy_Dog> FOUND
2022-07-12T19:58:20 < Mangy_Dog> and its printing out 
2022-07-12T19:58:22 < Mangy_Dog> WOOHOOO
2022-07-12T19:58:28  * Mangy_Dog hugs mawk tightly
2022-07-12T19:58:34 < Mangy_Dog> thank you for putting up with me
2022-07-12T19:59:10 < mawk> nice
2022-07-12T19:59:13 < mawk> what worked?
2022-07-12T19:59:43 < mawk> you might want to modify the linker script to have the control block in a better place so it's found easily 
2022-07-12T19:59:48 < mawk> like at the start of ram
2022-07-12T20:00:08 < mawk> else if you print "SEGGER" elsewhere in your application it might break
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2022-07-12T20:01:40 < mawk> I think the control block says "SEGGER RTT"
2022-07-12T20:01:44 < mawk> without the underscores
2022-07-12T20:01:53 < mawk> I tried with a hex to ascii converter
2022-07-12T20:02:03 < mawk> so if you search for that you should be good
2022-07-12T20:11:25 < Mangy_Dog> in the block it appears to be segger with understore
2022-07-12T20:11:27 < Mangy_Dog> score
2022-07-12T20:11:37 < Mangy_Dog> but yeah seems to work and i can see my test print outs showing up
2022-07-12T20:11:44 < Mangy_Dog> as for linker script
2022-07-12T20:11:58 < mawk> 0x20 is a space not underscore
2022-07-12T20:12:02 < Mangy_Dog> thats automaticly built in eclipse and i have no idea how to do it myself
2022-07-12T20:12:23 < Mangy_Dog> no i mean _SEGGER_RTT not SEGGER RTT
2022-07-12T20:12:30 < Mangy_Dog> at least thats how it appears to me
2022-07-12T20:12:40 < mawk> if it were that it would've been found first try
2022-07-12T20:13:00 < mawk> in the screen you gave with the hexadecimal data I see "SEGGER RTT", with spaces
2022-07-12T20:13:05 < mawk> two lines above the highlighted block
2022-07-12T20:13:54 < Mangy_Dog> its all in hex
2022-07-12T20:13:56 < mawk> it says 53454747455220525454
2022-07-12T20:13:58 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-12T20:14:01 < mawk> and I can read hex
2022-07-12T20:14:04 < Mangy_Dog> heh
2022-07-12T20:14:07 < mawk> this means "SEGGER RTT"
2022-07-12T20:14:12 < Mangy_Dog> ok
2022-07-12T20:14:13 < mawk> 20 in hex is a space
2022-07-12T20:14:31 < Mangy_Dog> maybe nm just puts in a _ where its a space
2022-07-12T20:14:50 < mawk> well with nm you see the symbol name
2022-07-12T20:15:03 < mawk> not the contents of memory
2022-07-12T20:15:11 < Mangy_Dog> nods
2022-07-12T20:15:28 < mawk> the symbol name is _SEGGER_RTT but apparently the value at that symbol's address is "SEGGER RTT"
2022-07-12T20:16:28 < mawk> if you put back address at 0x20000000 but change 2048 for 0x5000 I think it should find it in any case
2022-07-12T20:16:40 < mawk> it might take some time to find it but nothing too long
2022-07-12T20:17:04 < mawk> it will scan the first 20 KiB for the block
2022-07-12T20:17:10 < Mangy_Dog> ahh was 2048 the search space??
2022-07-12T20:17:14 < mawk> yes
2022-07-12T20:17:27 < Mangy_Dog> i guessed as much but wasnt sure
2022-07-12T21:26:11 < Mangy_Dog> again thanks mawk, i now finally know that my framed serial library is working exsactly as it should be and isnt the cause of the commands its sending not triggering reliably
2022-07-12T21:26:23 < Mangy_Dog> still no idea why theyre not triggering though
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2022-07-12T21:51:19 < mawk> nice
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2022-07-12T21:52:41 < Mangy_Dog> hmm well... my framed serial library might NOt bad working quite right... Its handling the data correctly and returning ACKs correctly... But it might not be signeling that a frame is ready correctly... Or the way the frame ready is checked might be wrong
2022-07-12T21:55:15 < Mangy_Dog> oh i think i found the problem
2022-07-12T21:59:09 < Mangy_Dog> omgomgomgomgogmogmgomgomgomgogmgomgomgom
2022-07-12T21:59:11 < Mangy_Dog> i think i fixed it
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2022-07-12T22:07:31 < Mangy_Dog> hmmmm
2022-07-12T22:07:33 < Mangy_Dog> still some issues
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2022-07-12T23:13:44 < Mangy_Dog> FIXED IT
2022-07-12T23:13:45 < Mangy_Dog> !
2022-07-12T23:19:45 < Steffanx> World peace? No more hunger? 
2022-07-12T23:20:01 < Mangy_Dog> na something far more important
2022-07-12T23:20:08 < Mangy_Dog> my framed serial library
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2022-07-12T23:20:22 < kaki> evenings
2022-07-12T23:26:04 < Steffanx> Gooday sir kaki  
2022-07-12T23:26:20 < kaki> morgon
2022-07-12T23:26:47 < Steffanx> Miten päiväsi sujui?
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2022-07-12T23:29:59 < Steffanx> Lol
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2022-07-12T23:35:37 < kaki> chilling
2022-07-12T23:38:09 < catphish> morning
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2022-07-12T23:40:18 < kaki> got new grass wagon thing from dealer
2022-07-12T23:41:16 < kaki> basically thats all¨for today then went to moped ride
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2022-07-12T23:55:48 < kaki> catphish: box now
--- Day changed ke heinä 13 2022
2022-07-13T00:04:22 < catphish> kaki: most of car is finish now, frontend is reassembled, i'm just waiting for driveshafts to be fabricated, first one was done today, second one supposedly being done tomorrow
2022-07-13T00:05:01 < catphish> so if all goes to plan thursday i will put car on lift, install driveshafts and brakes, and then it can be drive
2022-07-13T00:05:16 < zyp> nice
2022-07-13T00:05:25 < kaki> blew headgasket from old deere yesterday
2022-07-13T00:05:32 < kaki> it pee'd itself
2022-07-13T00:05:59 < kaki> anyways: 1month line to head resurface
2022-07-13T00:06:25 < BrainDamage> my 2nd degree cousin that works as helicopter mechanic says: the problem is not when they leak oil, that means you still have pressure, it's when they don't leak that you worry
2022-07-13T00:06:25 < qyx> continuing project review
2022-07-13T00:06:34 < qyx> zyp: hows your cnc plasma cutter
2022-07-13T00:06:35 < catphish> lol
2022-07-13T00:06:53 < catphish> one fear i have with my car is i don't know if i have oil pressure
2022-07-13T00:07:09 < catphish> no way to tell until it ceases :(
2022-07-13T00:07:37 < BrainDamage> for the transmission?
2022-07-13T00:08:01 < catphish> yes
2022-07-13T00:08:14 < zyp> qyx, I picked up a new 3d-printer last week so I can print parts for the plasma cutter
2022-07-13T00:08:17 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/by5sY.mp4
2022-07-13T00:08:29 < catphish> well, i think maybe the transmission will probably kick up its own oil
2022-07-13T00:08:44 < catphish> but there's an oil pump, i'm not sure what it does, maybe cool the motor
2022-07-13T00:08:56 < catphish> or maybe just ensure oil is distributed to all gears
2022-07-13T00:09:06 < kaki> and bearings
2022-07-13T00:09:12 < zyp> missed a part for the extruder, got a friend to print me one today, so it's almost ready to start printing now
2022-07-13T00:09:19 < kaki> it will have feed to bearings
2022-07-13T00:09:31 < kaki> gears are probs splash lubrication
2022-07-13T00:09:40 < kaki> as I didn't see nozzles
2022-07-13T00:09:41 < catphish> anyway, it makes a weirs squirting noise, so i think it's working
2022-07-13T00:09:44 < catphish> *weird
2022-07-13T00:09:45 < BrainDamage> you might get away with some temp sensors distributed along the oil path
2022-07-13T00:09:57 < BrainDamage> if the temp profile changes, then you know to inspect it
2022-07-13T00:09:59 < kaki> he has at least for motor
2022-07-13T00:10:07 < catphish> i have motor temperature sensor, so i'll know if there's a problem there at least
2022-07-13T00:10:08 < kaki> that is oil cooled
2022-07-13T00:10:30 < catphish> "inspect it" is nontrivial
2022-07-13T00:10:43 < BrainDamage> better than burning on the road
2022-07-13T00:11:34 < Steffanx> Not a bad idea to bring a fire extinguisher anyway 😉
2022-07-13T00:12:08 < catphish> if my car catches fire i'm running the fuck away
2022-07-13T00:12:18 < BrainDamage> if the thing catches fire ... exactly
2022-07-13T00:12:40 < BrainDamage> the best thing for you is a comfortable pair of running shoes
2022-07-13T00:12:41 < catphish> 20kwh of lithium batteries, i'm not firefighting that
2022-07-13T00:13:19 < BrainDamage> even the firefighters will have a field day with it
2022-07-13T00:14:35 < Steffanx> Come on catphish. I expect you to care more about your baby. 
2022-07-13T00:14:45 < catphish> if it's on fire, it's dead
2022-07-13T00:15:03 < catphish> i will turn off the contactors and run
2022-07-13T00:15:21 < BrainDamage> maybe an emergency box dump
2022-07-13T00:15:52 < Steffanx> This ejection seat wasn't such bad idea after all.
2022-07-13T00:15:56 < catphish> lol
2022-07-13T00:16:00 < Steffanx> For batteries.
2022-07-13T00:17:48 < zyp> not sure about your creation, but regular EVs can burn without it spreading to the battery
2022-07-13T00:17:51 < qyx> mount a large water tank above the battery box
2022-07-13T00:18:38 < kaki> ah water
2022-07-13T00:18:52 < kaki> I wonder what it does to litium
2022-07-13T00:19:04 < qyx> it works
2022-07-13T00:19:18 < BrainDamage> lithium strips the oxygen from the water, and leaves hydrogen
2022-07-13T00:19:19 < qyx> there is no lithium in li-ion, is there?
2022-07-13T00:19:39 < BrainDamage> while it does it, it heats up
2022-07-13T00:19:48 < zyp> https://risefr.no/media/publikasjoner/upload/2020/rise-report-2020-91-evaluation-of-fire-in-stavanger-airport-cark-park-7-january-2
2022-07-13T00:19:48 < BrainDamage> so it produces hydrogen, and lits it up
2022-07-13T00:19:53 < zyp> > Observations during the fire indicate that electric vehicles did not contribute to the fire development beyond what is expected from conventional vehicles.
2022-07-13T00:20:00 < kaki> barelly
2022-07-13T00:20:09 < qyx> the recommendation is to use water for Li chemistries except for primary, which actually contains lithium!
2022-07-13T00:20:23 < qyx> -!
2022-07-13T00:20:58 < BrainDamage> yes, but that's just because petrol car fires as a mess to deal with
2022-07-13T00:21:30 < zyp> > According to the RBR’s evaluation report, no mentionable differences in intensity or duration of fire in the car park had been observed, and as of March 2020 no information had emerged «suggesting that thermal runaway occurred in electric vehicles» in the fire at Sola.
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2022-07-13T00:30:02 < catphish> batteries are generally in fireproof boxes
2022-07-13T00:30:44 < catphish> if my car caught fire, hopefully just the fibreglass would burn and that would be it
2022-07-13T00:31:32 < BrainDamage> how about a mechanism that dumps styrofoam into the oil reservoir?
2022-07-13T00:36:45 < qyx> why the hell is another web saying "never use water for li-ion"
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2022-07-13T00:40:18 < qyx> aha I am not the one confused
2022-07-13T00:40:21 < qyx> https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/290443/water-on-li-ion-battery-fire-good-idea-bad-idea-or-neutral
2022-07-13T00:40:38 < qyx> I thing we can believe oregon state university
2022-07-13T00:45:17 < BrainDamage> AFAIK, if you use water, you douse with enough that it drives the temp low, but it never stops smoldering that way
2022-07-13T00:51:24 < mawk> what can you do to make it stop reacting anyway
2022-07-13T01:03:20 < catphish> BrainDamage: "styrofoam into the oil reservoir" are we trying to make the fire more dangerous?
2022-07-13T01:03:53 < catphish> why have regular oil fire when you can have napalm :)
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2022-07-13T01:15:15 < BrainDamage> if you're going to have your day ruined, might as well make sure other people will share the same fate
2022-07-13T01:16:48 < englishman> this is why instead of a motorcycle airbag i wear a suicide vest and wrote on the back IF YOU HIT ME YOU DIE TOO
2022-07-13T01:32:45 < catphish> makes sense
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2022-07-13T14:43:51 < englishman> https://dogbolt.org/
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2022-07-13T14:48:43 < Laurenceb> suppp
2022-07-13T14:48:44 < Laurenceb> suppp
2022-07-13T14:51:17 < Steffanx> Tha sky 
2022-07-13T15:04:37 < Laurenceb> soyboy central here
2022-07-13T15:04:46 < Laurenceb> soyperhero movie discussion
2022-07-13T15:04:54 < Laurenceb> consuming the product
2022-07-13T15:08:54 < Laurenceb> hyperboss wants his codez finished by this afternoon
2022-07-13T15:08:57 < Laurenceb> sheeettttt
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2022-07-13T15:34:53 < specing> Laurenceb: haha just submit your resignation haha
2022-07-13T15:34:59 < specing> imagine the look on their face
2022-07-13T15:35:25 < Laurenceb> sheeeeet iptables is still failing
2022-07-13T15:38:47 < Laurenceb> sudo iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp --dport $can_port -m u32 --u32 "28 & 0x1F000000 = 0x02000000:0x04000000" -j REDIRECT --to-port $otmr_port
2022-07-13T15:38:53 < Laurenceb> cant use redirect on output
2022-07-13T15:40:35 < mawk> what are you trying to do 
2022-07-13T15:40:38 < mawk> with that redirect 
2022-07-13T15:40:43 < mawk> and again, why are you using mangle?
2022-07-13T15:40:52 < mawk> these kind of rules belong in nat, not mangle
2022-07-13T15:41:24 < mawk> do you know which ip it's for, Laurenceb ?
2022-07-13T15:41:32 < mawk> you could set up a trap to get the packets back
2022-07-13T15:41:40 < mawk> then you can catch it in PREROUTING
2022-07-13T15:42:05 < mawk> in OUTPUT you can set a mark on the packet, then using policy routing you make the packet loop back to the machine
2022-07-13T15:42:12 < mawk> and then you can have it in PREROUTING
2022-07-13T15:42:15 < mawk> I did that before 
2022-07-13T15:42:40 < mawk> set a mark, then with ip rule/ip route you can make the packet loop back to you
2022-07-13T15:42:55 < mawk> only if the mark is matching
2022-07-13T15:43:18 < mawk> ok Laurenceb ?
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2022-07-13T15:54:52 < Laurenceb> hmm
2022-07-13T15:55:07 < Laurenceb> I have packets transmitted on localhost by local code
2022-07-13T15:55:19 < Laurenceb> I want to swap them to another port if the first byte matches a rule
2022-07-13T15:55:28 < catphish_> we know!
2022-07-13T15:55:43 < Laurenceb> I cant edit the code - I have the sores but cant recompile it because its safety critical
2022-07-13T15:55:57 < mawk> on localhost, for localhost Laurenceb??? 
2022-07-13T15:56:06 < mawk> you don't have to edit the code
2022-07-13T15:56:07 < catphish_> i thought your REDIRECT already worked
2022-07-13T15:56:24 < Laurenceb> I only tested it with TRAP
2022-07-13T15:56:25 < mawk> and that's pretty complex shit for swapping a port
2022-07-13T15:56:26 < Laurenceb> derp
2022-07-13T15:56:36 < mawk> you're in the wrong table
2022-07-13T15:56:41 < mawk> it's nat, not mangle
2022-07-13T15:56:46 < mawk> and anyway answer my questions 
2022-07-13T15:57:17 < Laurenceb> ip destination is 127.255.255.255
2022-07-13T15:57:25 < mawk> so it's for localhost
2022-07-13T15:57:28 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-13T15:57:31 < catphish_> Laurenceb: is it not working then? can you paste your rule?
2022-07-13T15:57:37 < catphish_> maybe i missed the context
2022-07-13T15:57:39 < Laurenceb> I pasted it earlier
2022-07-13T15:57:47 < mawk> you need to make the packets route in order to modify the port
2022-07-13T15:57:56 < mawk> and to make the packet route you can you policy routing
2022-07-13T15:58:04 < catphish> <Laurenceb> sudo iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp --dport $can_port -m u32 --u32 "28 & 0x1F000000 = 0x02000000:0x04000000" -j REDIRECT --to-port $otmr_port
2022-07-13T15:58:08 < mawk> I'm not on my computer right now, wait for tonight 
2022-07-13T15:58:12 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-13T15:58:15 < mawk> or figure it out with ip rule and ip route
2022-07-13T15:58:26 < mawk> basically you need to trick the kernel into routing the packet
2022-07-13T15:58:29 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-13T15:58:36 < catphish_> Laurenceb: that rule looks nothing like the one we previously agreed would work
2022-07-13T15:58:39 < mawk> because otherwise localhost goes into a special circuit and you can't modify it
2022-07-13T15:58:48 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-13T15:58:49 < mawk> or at least can't modify a lot of things
2022-07-13T15:59:17 < catphish_> why not: iptables -t nat -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.0/8 -d 127.255.255.255 -p udp --dport $can_port -m u32 --u32 "28 & 0x1F000000 = 0x02000000:0x04000000" -j REDIRECT --to-port $otmr_port
2022-07-13T15:59:46 < mawk> I'm not sure locally-generated packets go in INPUT
2022-07-13T15:59:52 < catphish_> they certainly do
2022-07-13T15:59:58 < Laurenceb> I can block them using INPUT
2022-07-13T16:00:04 < mawk> in table nat, Laurenceb 
2022-07-13T16:00:10 < catphish_> if you iptables -I INPUT -j DROP you will totally break your computer by blocking all localhost
2022-07-13T16:00:11 < mawk> you can't swap tables like you want 
2022-07-13T16:00:52 < catphish_> also, i think i mean PREROUTING, not INPUT
2022-07-13T16:01:07 < catphish_> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s 127.0.0.0/8 -d 127.255.255.255 -p udp --dport $can_port -m u32 --u32 "28 & 0x1F000000 = 0x02000000:0x04000000" -j REDIRECT --to-port $otmr_port
2022-07-13T16:01:12 < Laurenceb> iptables v1.8.7 (nf_tables):  RULE_APPEND failed (Invalid argument): rule in chain INPUT
2022-07-13T16:01:22 < catphish_> ^
2022-07-13T16:01:22 < mawk> I'm even less sure it comes in PREROUTING
2022-07-13T16:01:27 < mawk> look in dmesg Laurenceb 
2022-07-13T16:01:28 < catphish_> just try it :)
2022-07-13T16:01:29 < mawk> for full error
2022-07-13T16:01:44 < catphish_> error is because nat isn't valid in INPUT afaik
2022-07-13T16:01:50 < Laurenceb> [97117.555180] x_tables: ip_tables: REDIRECT target: used from hooks INPUT, but only usable from PREROUTING/OUTPUT
2022-07-13T16:01:55 < catphish_> ^
2022-07-13T16:02:09 < Laurenceb> I tried PREROUTING yesterday, localhost doesnt go through it
2022-07-13T16:02:17 < mawk> because it's not routing 
2022-07-13T16:02:24 < mawk> try OUTPUT
2022-07-13T16:02:26 < mawk> maybe
2022-07-13T16:02:32 < Jookia> check out https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Netfilter-packet-flow.svg
2022-07-13T16:02:43 < mawk> but anyway maybe force routing of localhost packets and then it's good
2022-07-13T16:02:43 < catphish_> https://serverfault.com/questions/211536/iptables-port-redirect-not-working-for-localhost
2022-07-13T16:02:56 < catphish_> someone recommends: iptables -t nat -I OUTPUT -p tcp -o lo --dport 443 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080
2022-07-13T16:03:03 < mawk> ah yeah OUTPUT works they say
2022-07-13T16:03:17 < mawk> that's what happens when you try stuff randomly instead of reading docs Laurenceb 
2022-07-13T16:03:31 < catphish_> so try: iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -d 127.255.255.255 -p udp --dport $can_port -m u32 --u32 "28 & 0x1F000000 = 0x02000000:0x04000000" -j REDIRECT --to-port $otmr_port
2022-07-13T16:03:31 < Laurenceb> it added it to OUTPUT but isnt matching any packets
2022-07-13T16:03:33 < mawk> even just "man iptables" describes very well the tables and chains
2022-07-13T16:03:54 < catphish_> you may need to flush your conntrack table
2022-07-13T16:03:56 < mawk> in table nat, Laurenceb ??
2022-07-13T16:04:04 < mawk> sudo conntrack -F
2022-07-13T16:04:06 < mawk> iirc
2022-07-13T16:04:07 < catphish_> if you have conntrack installed, run conntrack -F
2022-07-13T16:04:07 < Laurenceb> yes
2022-07-13T16:04:08 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-13T16:04:47 < catphish_> also, it might be necessary to NOTRACK all packets in this flow
2022-07-13T16:05:09 < catphish_> otherwise it'll conntrack the first packet and not inspect subsequent ones, which will get really messy
2022-07-13T16:05:20 < Laurenceb> tried conntrack but still not matching any packets
2022-07-13T16:05:25 < mawk> why not inspect the next ones?
2022-07-13T16:05:33 < Laurenceb> the source sents MSG_DONTROUTE on the socket
2022-07-13T16:05:34 < mawk> ah then don't got the header
2022-07-13T16:05:35 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-13T16:05:45 < Laurenceb> *sets
2022-07-13T16:05:51 < catphish_> NAT table only gets used once per flow i think
2022-07-13T16:05:52 < mawk> indeed so it would need to set a conntrack mark on the conntrack session
2022-07-13T16:05:58 < mawk> and redirect all next packets?
2022-07-13T16:06:02 < catphish_> yes
2022-07-13T16:06:21 < catphish_> or maybe redirect none (if the first one wan't)
2022-07-13T16:06:23 < catphish_> i'm not certain
2022-07-13T16:06:25 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-13T16:06:30 < mawk> depending on the mark
2022-07-13T16:06:34 < catphish_> it's rare to treat one packet in a flow with different NAT
2022-07-13T16:06:44 < catphish_> for this NOTRACK helps
2022-07-13T16:06:59 < mawk> but we want to be tracked, right?
2022-07-13T16:07:03 < Laurenceb> cant see any data on the second port
2022-07-13T16:07:07 < mawk> so that further packets go through the right port
2022-07-13T16:07:15 < mawk> but it's already kinda automatic if it's tcp
2022-07-13T16:07:18 < mawk> no?
2022-07-13T16:07:22 < catphish_> mawk: no, it's stateless, only the packet with the specific match should be redirected
2022-07-13T16:07:41 < mawk> ah
2022-07-13T16:08:02 < mawk> so set mark in mangle, and redirect all packets with the ctmark in nat
2022-07-13T16:08:07 < mawk> ctmark, and not nfmark
2022-07-13T16:08:10 < mawk> two different things 
2022-07-13T16:08:19 < catphish_> you're overcomplicating it i think
2022-07-13T16:08:21 < catphish_> Laurenceb: add this: iptables -I OUTPUT  -d 127.255.255.255 -p udp --dport $can_port -j NOTRACK
2022-07-13T16:08:32 < catphish_> this will prevent conntrack doing what conntrack does
2022-07-13T16:08:44 < mawk> but what happens to subsequent packets then
2022-07-13T16:08:44 < catphish_> then the redirect should work on a per-packet basis
2022-07-13T16:08:57 < mawk> but not all packets contain the header, only the first 
2022-07-13T16:09:00 < mawk> right?
2022-07-13T16:09:06 < catphish_> mawk: subsequent packets are inspected on their own merits
2022-07-13T16:09:15 < catphish_> all packets will contain the header
2022-07-13T16:09:19 < mawk> each packet has the header?
2022-07-13T16:09:21 < Laurenceb> ok added it but its not matching any packets
2022-07-13T16:09:23 < catphish_> it's CAN, max packet size id 8 bytes!
2022-07-13T16:09:28 < mawk> ah
2022-07-13T16:09:33 < mawk> then all good
2022-07-13T16:09:51 < catphish_> Laurenceb: can you paste your iptables -S so i can check it over?
2022-07-13T16:11:05 < Laurenceb> wait no it failed
2022-07-13T16:11:18 < Laurenceb>  sudo iptables -I OUTPUT -d 127.255.255.255 -p udp --dport $can_port -j NOTRACK
2022-07-13T16:11:19 < Laurenceb> iptables v1.8.7 (nf_tables):  RULE_INSERT failed (Invalid argument): rule in chain OUTPUT
2022-07-13T16:11:43 < mawk> it needs to be in nat no?
2022-07-13T16:11:59 < mawk> inserted before the other rule
2022-07-13T16:12:21 < Laurenceb> inserting it into nat also fails
2022-07-13T16:12:31 < Laurenceb> iptables v1.8.7 (nf_tables):  RULE_INSERT failed (Invalid argument): rule in chain OUTPUT
2022-07-13T16:12:33 < mawk> look in dmesg
2022-07-13T16:12:35 < mawk> what does it say
2022-07-13T16:12:43 < mawk> maybe it's in raw or mangle
2022-07-13T16:12:45 < mawk> but just look
2022-07-13T16:12:51 < Laurenceb> 97775.956297] x_tables: ip_tables: CT target: only valid in raw table, not nat
2022-07-13T16:13:03 < mawk> then you know
2022-07-13T16:13:05 < mawk> raw table
2022-07-13T16:13:12 < catphish_> yes, should have been in "raw"
2022-07-13T16:13:22 < catphish_> Laurenceb: add this: iptables -t raw -I OUTPUT  -d 127.255.255.255 -p udp --dport $can_port -j NOTRACK
2022-07-13T16:13:44 < Laurenceb> I see matching packets
2022-07-13T16:13:45 < catphish_> and always run conntrack -F after this to clear out any existing tracking states
2022-07-13T16:14:32 < Laurenceb> but no matching packets in nat
2022-07-13T16:14:34 < Laurenceb> ok
2022-07-13T16:14:38 < catphish_> so here's what *should* happen, each individual packet should hit the notrack rule which tell iptables not to store anything in the connection tracking table, and handle all subsequent packets on their own merits
2022-07-13T16:14:44 < catphish_> then it should hit the nat redirect rule
2022-07-13T16:14:51 < catphish_> Laurenceb: can you paste the full rules?
2022-07-13T16:15:37 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/p/5FlnHtB8X4ZMM7LWv43N15
2022-07-13T16:16:01 < catphish_> no
2022-07-13T16:16:06 < catphish_> not like that
2022-07-13T16:16:10 < catphish_> like -S
2022-07-13T16:16:40 < catphish_> actually, not even like -S
2022-07-13T16:16:47 < catphish_> iptables-save
2022-07-13T16:16:52 < catphish_> this outputs EVERYTHING
2022-07-13T16:17:31 < catphish_> iptables-save goes through each tables and runs iptables -S on it, so you get complete output of all rules
2022-07-13T16:17:36 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/p/3hm3UwroTsXECywvUv4hu0
2022-07-13T16:17:37 < catphish_> it's the only output i trust to actually show everything
2022-07-13T16:17:47 < catphish_> yeah that'll do
2022-07-13T16:18:23 < catphish_> so the notrack is working at least
2022-07-13T16:18:43 < mawk> needs to force routing of localhost 
2022-07-13T16:18:49 < mawk> with ip rule/ip route
2022-07-13T16:19:01 < catphish_> i'm not sure about that
2022-07-13T16:19:26 < mawk> I needed to do it before, otherwise localhost packets just don't go through the chains I wanted
2022-07-13T16:19:34 < catphish_> interesting
2022-07-13T16:19:58 < mawk> so using a special route I forced localhost packets to be evaluated again as if they're being routed
2022-07-13T16:20:11 < mawk> I need to check how it was done I forgot
2022-07-13T16:20:14 < catphish_> one thing i'd do just to sanity check is: -A OUTPUT -d 127.0.0.0/8 -p udp -m udp --dport 1251 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 1252
2022-07-13T16:20:22 < catphish_> just to be sure the u32 isn't wrong
2022-07-13T16:20:27 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-13T16:20:48 < Laurenceb> same u32 works with DROP
2022-07-13T16:21:03 < catphish_> ok, try this: sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.all.route_localnet=1
2022-07-13T16:21:07 < mawk> in filter table
2022-07-13T16:21:14 < mawk> so it's different 
2022-07-13T16:21:21 < mawk> so it doesn't "work with DROP"
2022-07-13T16:21:26 < catphish_> i suspect mawk is correct
2022-07-13T16:21:28 < mawk> again, you can't change the table like you want
2022-07-13T16:21:44 < mawk> ah I didn't know about that sysctl
2022-07-13T16:21:52 < mawk> maybe I hacked it together where I didn't need to
2022-07-13T16:22:03 < Laurenceb> ok sysctl didnt fix it
2022-07-13T16:22:07 < catphish_> :(
2022-07-13T16:22:26 < mawk> see if it goes through PREROUTING now
2022-07-13T16:22:33 < mawk> just add a dummy rule with no target
2022-07-13T16:22:36 < catphish_> everything i find says with sysctl -w net.ipv4.conf.all.route_localnet=1, this should work: -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.0.2 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:80
2022-07-13T16:22:42 < Laurenceb> first I'll try without the u32
2022-07-13T16:23:05 < mawk> -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 127.0.0.0/8 -m udp -p udp --dport 1251
2022-07-13T16:23:05 < catphish_> or maybe iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -d 192.168.0.2 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:80
2022-07-13T16:23:11 < catphish_> note people are using DNAT not REDIRECT
2022-07-13T16:23:15 < catphish_> not sure that matters
2022-07-13T16:23:21 < mawk> same thing
2022-07-13T16:23:33 < catphish_> well it's not the same thing at all, but both should work
2022-07-13T16:23:42 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-13T16:23:44 < catphish_> (same ultimate result)
2022-07-13T16:24:05 < mawk> I think it should go in PREROUTING
2022-07-13T16:24:05 < catphish_> one of those 4 combinations should work!
2022-07-13T16:24:08 < mawk> try it Laurenceb 
2022-07-13T16:24:14 < mawk> and don't change the table
2022-07-13T16:24:26 < catphish_> either PREROUTING or OUTPUT and either REDIRECT or DNAT
2022-07-13T16:24:32 < catphish_> try all 4 :)
2022-07-13T16:24:38 < Laurenceb> ok without u32 also failed to match anything
2022-07-13T16:24:46 < catphish_> if none of that works, give up and cry
2022-07-13T16:24:52 < mawk> REDIRECT is same as DNAT but using the local ip implicitly I think
2022-07-13T16:24:59 < catphish_> i'm going to try to buy some CV grease
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2022-07-13T17:18:40 < Laurenceb> hmm it works if I write to /dev/udp/127.0.0.1/$can_port
2022-07-13T17:18:52 < Laurenceb> maybe MSG_DONTROUTE is breaking it
2022-07-13T17:20:26 < catphish_> well if it's set
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2022-07-13T17:35:39 < qyx> wut can port
2022-07-13T17:37:02 < catphish_> i had no idea you could send udp packets by writing to a device file, my system sure doesn' thave that
2022-07-13T17:37:52 < qyx> is he sending udp packets or can frames
2022-07-13T17:38:04 < qyx> or is there a relay
2022-07-13T17:38:18 < qyx> knowing Laurenceb it is going to be some mess
2022-07-13T17:39:32 < catphish_> there's some kind of relay turning incoming CAN framed into UDP packets
2022-07-13T17:42:54 < Laurenceb> hmm I think I've fixed it
2022-07-13T17:43:01 < Laurenceb> MSG_DONTROUTE breaks it
2022-07-13T17:43:13 < Laurenceb> also I need to close and reopen the socket for the changes to take effect
2022-07-13T17:43:33 < Laurenceb> now hyperboss has stolen my hardware so I can fully test
2022-07-13T17:43:46 < Laurenceb> he wants to take it to france tomorrow lol
2022-07-13T17:43:54 < Laurenceb> shit isnt going to be ready
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2022-07-13T18:35:01 < Laurenceb> hmm looks like I can login remotely to the kit once its installed
2022-07-13T18:35:15 < Laurenceb> I might have to write a sever that processed the packets instead
2022-07-13T18:35:22 < Laurenceb> doesnt look like iptables can do this
2022-07-13T18:35:29 < Laurenceb> maybe a hardware server
2022-07-13T18:39:04 < mawk> of course iptables can
2022-07-13T18:39:17 < mawk> you're just trying things at random, that rarely works 
2022-07-13T18:39:30 < mawk> just go take a walk and when I have a computer I'll show you how I did it
2022-07-13T18:40:05 < Steffanx> Where is your computer mawk?
2022-07-13T18:40:38 < Steffanx> I don't think Laurenceb likes going on a walk. He might get stabbed 
2022-07-13T18:41:43 < qyx> hey rpi pros
2022-07-13T18:41:59 < qyx> I know you all use them secretly
2022-07-13T18:42:17 < Laurenceb> lol Steffanx
2022-07-13T18:42:40 < Laurenceb> ok so I got as far as redirecting all packets on one localhost port to another port
2022-07-13T18:42:46 < Laurenceb> but u32 is now broken
2022-07-13T18:49:08 < qyx> oh I forgot to ask, my rs485 master using mbpoll doesn't work
2022-07-13T18:49:35 < qyx> now, what's the usual catch?
2022-07-13T18:49:41 < qyx> it says crc error
2022-07-13T18:49:45 < qyx> the slave responds
2022-07-13T18:50:03 < qyx> selecting nonexistent address results in a timeout
2022-07-13T18:50:14 < qyx> I adjusted stopbits to 2
2022-07-13T18:50:23 < qyx> didn't scope the thing yet
2022-07-13T18:50:37 < PaulFertser> stopbits should always be 1, 2 was used only on ancient current loop systems afaik.
2022-07-13T18:51:03 < qyx> I read somewhere you should set stop to 2 if the parity is none
2022-07-13T18:51:28 < PaulFertser> Modbus over serial says Even parity must be supported, and everything else is optional.
2022-07-13T18:51:45 < PaulFertser> But many modbus devices just go with 8n1
2022-07-13T18:51:59 < qyx> yeah the slave wants 8n1 115200
2022-07-13T18:52:18 < PaulFertser> How do you switch your rs485 master into receiving?
2022-07-13T18:54:38 < PaulFertser> qyx: also, how exactly do the bytes you receive look, and how many you get asking for e.g. a single register?
2022-07-13T18:55:36 < PaulFertser> Give it -v and show us.
2022-07-13T19:01:01 < PaulFertser> You do not need to scope it to see.
2022-07-13T19:04:04 < Xogium> hmm.. There any way to avoid a hardware watchdog from resetting my cpu while I'm trying to debug ?
2022-07-13T19:04:09 < Xogium> its frankly annoying
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2022-07-13T19:04:15 < Xogium> stm32mp1, by the way
2022-07-13T19:05:01 < Laurenceb> shhheeeet
2022-07-13T19:05:05 < Laurenceb> I might know my issue
2022-07-13T19:05:15 < Laurenceb> iptable rule has to be created before socket is opened
2022-07-13T19:05:37 < qyx> PaulFertser: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/g2SEm
2022-07-13T19:06:02 < qyx> thats for 8n2, 8n1 is the same
2022-07-13T19:06:38 < qyx> it is also the same whatever register I ask for
2022-07-13T19:07:07 < Xogium> trying to debug a kernel hang with openocd and it just keeps being reset after 30 seconds ugh
2022-07-13T19:07:15 < PaulFertser> qyx: can you change slave's address?
2022-07-13T19:08:01 < PaulFertser> qyx: probably this modbus device is buggy and it just replies shit when asked for something it doesn't like.
2022-07-13T19:09:15 < PaulFertser> Xogium: probably just compile the kernel with watchdog driver disabled in .config?
2022-07-13T19:09:44 < Xogium> hmm
2022-07-13T19:09:49 < Xogium> I believe ATF enables it
2022-07-13T19:10:39 < Xogium> but.. yeah I guess openocd can't exactly prevent a watchdog from triggering, even when the hardware is halted
2022-07-13T19:11:49 < Xogium> what fun... I get earlycon console enabled, then... nothing, them bang reset
2022-07-13T19:12:03 < Xogium> why is migrating kernel such a pain all the time :S
2022-07-13T19:12:07 < qyx> PaulFertser: when I change the address, I get timeout
2022-07-13T19:12:15 < qyx> or when I disconnect the connector
2022-07-13T19:13:39 < Xogium> I sort of managed to go fast enough to see its somehow idling in start_kernel but I don't know why
2022-07-13T19:13:48 < PaulFertser> qyx: I mean can you actually reconfigure the slave to use another address
2022-07-13T19:15:27 < qyx> that's the question, I did walk the whole menu and I cannot see anything
2022-07-13T19:15:37 < qyx> oh maybe I am asking with a wrong function
2022-07-13T19:16:40 < PaulFertser> qyx: yes, probably you're asking for a register that doesn't exist. Wrong type of read or wrong address or wrong number of arguments. But the reply is silly either way, this device looks not compliant.
2022-07-13T19:17:23 < qyx> now it returns 0x01 repeated
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2022-07-13T19:22:39 < PaulFertser> qyx: what's your rs485 interface?
2022-07-13T19:23:51 < qyx> rpi joyit rs485 shield
2022-07-13T19:25:40 < qyx> no schematics
2022-07-13T19:25:44 < qyx> apparently
2022-07-13T19:26:27 < PaulFertser> qyx: the first byte of the reply is correct. The others are just weird.
2022-07-13T19:27:24 < PaulFertser> Probably it's indeed time to scope the signals.
2022-07-13T19:49:09 < qyx> checking with a ft232rl now
2022-07-13T20:00:43 < qyx> ft232rl looks dead, not even enumerating
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2022-07-13T20:44:08 < Laurenceb> sup
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2022-07-13T20:49:37 < PaulFertser> qyx: you got an RS485 based on FT232RL?
2022-07-13T20:53:26 < Laurenceb> iptables still broekn :(
2022-07-13T20:53:28 < Laurenceb>    1    40 REDIRECT   udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpt:1251 u32 "0x1c&0x1f000000=0x2000000:0x4000000" redir ports 1252
2022-07-13T20:53:37 < Laurenceb> matches exactly one packet per reboot
2022-07-13T20:54:23 < \dev\ice> Laurenceb: what are you trying to do?
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2022-07-13T21:10:09 < Laurenceb> I'll draw a diagram
2022-07-13T21:22:35 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/s1oCvdd.png
2022-07-13T21:22:56 < Laurenceb> translator converts it to UDP
2022-07-13T21:23:16  * PaulFertser expected dickbutt at https://i.imgur.com/s1oCvdd.png
2022-07-13T21:23:36 < Laurenceb> also the raw can data is encrypted and signed for
2022-07-13T21:23:45 < Laurenceb> so I cant open another socket
2022-07-13T21:24:13 < Laurenceb> and its safety critical so the can translator cant be modified / recompiled
2022-07-13T21:31:41 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: what's "CAN translator", is it a h/w or s/w component?
2022-07-13T21:31:49 < Laurenceb> software
2022-07-13T21:32:02 < Laurenceb> everything inside "embedded lunix" is software
2022-07-13T21:32:15 < PaulFertser> Does it use regular Linux CAN sockets to receive the data? What does it use to send the data?
2022-07-13T21:32:36 < Laurenceb> yeah it uses CAN sockets to talk to the can bus
2022-07-13T21:32:51 < Laurenceb> but opening a second can socket is tricky due to the data protocol
2022-07-13T21:33:08 < Laurenceb> the translator converts to raw packets and sends them out over udp
2022-07-13T21:34:09 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: and you want to have those UDP packets sent to two different destinations instead of one?
2022-07-13T21:34:16 < Laurenceb> no
2022-07-13T21:34:30 < Laurenceb> I just want to send those matching a rule to a different destination
2022-07-13T21:34:52 < Laurenceb> the problem is there is critical data on the main path, so anything in the middle has to be well proven
2022-07-13T21:35:12 < Laurenceb> they are happy to use iptables if it can be made to do this
2022-07-13T21:36:10 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: what if you just duplicate the whole stream and filter in "new CAN translator"?
2022-07-13T21:36:12 < Laurenceb> lol they are installing hardware tomorrow so they are out of luck if it doesnt work lmao
2022-07-13T21:36:34 < Laurenceb> hmm yeah that would probably work, but add some cpu overhead
2022-07-13T21:37:11 < Laurenceb> its being installed on an LGV in France
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2022-07-13T21:41:12 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: so if you remove the u32 match altogether does the rule match all the packets or still just one?
2022-07-13T21:41:16 < Laurenceb> was supposed to be installed next week, but they are "running ahead of schedule"
2022-07-13T21:41:40 < Laurenceb> >ahead of schedule >hardware is installed but its dead
2022-07-13T21:41:51 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: "iptables-save -c" with that " 1    40 REDIRECT " please
2022-07-13T21:41:52 < Laurenceb> hmm I'll try that
2022-07-13T21:44:22 < Laurenceb>  0     0 REDIRECT   udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpt:1251 redir ports 1252
2022-07-13T21:44:29 < Laurenceb> not matching anything
2022-07-13T21:44:44 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: then it means you're testing it differently.
2022-07-13T21:44:49 < Laurenceb> tried killing and restarting the translator process and conntrack -F
2022-07-13T21:45:04 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: what counters _do_ increase?
2022-07-13T21:45:32 < Laurenceb>  164K 5884K CT         udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpt:1251 NOTRACK
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2022-07-13T21:46:09 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: and just that?
2022-07-13T21:46:12 < Laurenceb>  164K 5884K CT         udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpt:1251 NOTRACK
2022-07-13T21:46:14 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-13T21:46:28 < Laurenceb> hmm there is something in the defualt table
2022-07-13T21:46:51 < Laurenceb>  527K   19M ACCEPT     udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpts:1200:1299
2022-07-13T21:47:04 < Laurenceb> could that be overuling other stuff?
2022-07-13T21:47:14 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: ACCEPT is terminating rule, so yes, if it comes before.
2022-07-13T21:47:21 < Laurenceb> ah ok
2022-07-13T21:47:27 < Laurenceb> this makes more sense, thanks
2022-07-13T21:47:47 < Laurenceb> but that was requested for security...
2022-07-13T21:48:07 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: place your rule before that
2022-07-13T21:48:23 < Laurenceb> ok, but my rules are in the raw and nat tables
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2022-07-13T21:49:26 < Laurenceb> oh thats the INPUT chain, my rules are in the OUTPUT chain
2022-07-13T21:50:28 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: does the packet counter in the output chain increase?
2022-07-13T21:50:36 < Laurenceb> no
2022-07-13T21:50:45 < Laurenceb> but my test OUTPUT rule does
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2022-07-13T21:50:57 < Laurenceb>     5   161 REDIRECT   udp  --  any    any     127.0.0.0/8          anywhere             udp dpt:1253 u32 "0x1c&0xff000000=0x30000000:0x39000000" redir ports 1254
2022-07-13T21:51:18 < Laurenceb> ^that works correctly if I write to /dev/udp/127.0.0.1/1253
2022-07-13T21:51:34 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: btw, are you looking at https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Netfilter-packet-flow.svg ?
2022-07-13T21:52:36 < Laurenceb> hmm useful link, thanks
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2022-07-13T21:53:36 < PaulFertser> So probably your "CAN translator" doesn't actually send to 127.0.0.1/1253
2022-07-13T21:54:14 < Laurenceb> no it sends to 127.255.255.255/1251
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2022-07-13T21:54:37 < Laurenceb> but I think /dev/udp/127.0.0.1/1253 opens and closes a socket
2022-07-13T21:54:46 < Laurenceb> the translator keeps its socket open
2022-07-13T21:54:53 < PaulFertser> Didn't you restart it for this test?
2022-07-13T21:55:05 < Laurenceb> yeah
2022-07-13T21:55:16 < Laurenceb> thats weird
2022-07-13T21:56:10 < PaulFertser> The diagram says "nat table is only consulted for NEW connections"
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2022-07-13T21:57:48 < Laurenceb> hmm
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2022-07-13T21:58:58 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: you still didn't paste iptables-save
2022-07-13T21:59:09 < PaulFertser> -c
2022-07-13T22:00:01 < Laurenceb>  cat /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_udp_timeout
2022-07-13T22:00:03 < Laurenceb> 30
2022-07-13T22:00:55 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/p/2V3ee6hjPRM89kijBgOS7D
2022-07-13T22:02:05 < PaulFertser> https://serverfault.com/questions/741104/iptables-redirect-works-only-for-first-packet
2022-07-13T22:02:51 < qyx> PaulFertser: yeah some old pcb, etched when I was a student
2022-07-13T22:03:15 < Laurenceb> yeah i saw that
2022-07-13T22:03:23 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: you missed -c
2022-07-13T22:03:59 < PaulFertser> qyx: does the device have a way to change baud rate?
2022-07-13T22:04:31 < qyx> I will check in a couple of minutes I hope
2022-07-13T22:04:54 < qyx> I did run a cable to my workbench
2022-07-13T22:05:00 < qyx> I'll scope it
2022-07-13T22:05:01 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/p/5zF6lNo856qLxZf0zgYu04
2022-07-13T22:06:09 < PaulFertser> The "iptables with conntrack zones" answer from that link looks applicabel
2022-07-13T22:07:38 < Laurenceb> looks complex but ok I'll give it a go
2022-07-13T22:14:22 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/1ZpmV
2022-07-13T22:14:30 < qyx> ok lol, 300 V of common mode
2022-07-13T22:14:45 < qyx> 260 V, sorry
2022-07-13T22:29:42 < Laurenceb> ok I added the four rules
2022-07-13T22:29:50 < Laurenceb> the two raw table rules match nicely
2022-07-13T22:30:00 < Laurenceb> but the nat table rules dont match anything
2022-07-13T22:31:03 < qyx> are you sure that packets going to the local interface go through the nat?
2022-07-13T22:31:20 < Laurenceb> nope I dont know what I'm doing lol
2022-07-13T22:32:23 < Laurenceb> wait wtf is working
2022-07-13T22:32:37 < qyx> idk I don't remember
2022-07-13T22:34:36 < Laurenceb> but only the new data is passing through
2022-07-13T22:35:56 < Laurenceb> what happens to stuff that doesnt match any rule when there is a rules table?
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2022-07-13T22:40:50 < Laurenceb> looks like the raw table rules alone "fixed" it
2022-07-13T22:41:00 < Laurenceb> but only the new data goes through
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2022-07-13T23:31:50 < catphish> kaki: box! https://i.imgur.com/QGJ2qR3.jpg
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2022-07-13T23:32:00 < catphish> terrible photo, i'll take a better one myself tomorrow
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2022-07-13T23:32:31 < kaki> did they powder weld it?
2022-07-13T23:32:39 < catphish> it's not welded yet
2022-07-13T23:32:57 < catphish> just press fitted, at the end pointed away from the camera so you can't see the join
2022-07-13T23:33:38 < kaki> as it has CV joints it doesn't matter that much how you weld it
2022-07-13T23:34:04 < kaki> but for things that cannot be warped they use powder welding
2022-07-13T23:34:11 < kaki> very interesting thing
2022-07-13T23:34:26 < kaki> it shoots flame and molten powder
2022-07-13T23:34:26 < catphish> well it wants to be as straight as possible, the press fit will help i hope
2022-07-13T23:34:30 < catphish> nice
2022-07-13T23:34:40 < catphish> press fit: https://i.imgur.com/gDncwdQ.jpg
2022-07-13T23:35:04 < catphish> i'll get some better photos when i weld it tomorrow
2022-07-13T23:41:53 < catphish> i ordered a GoPro today, gonna try to make some car videos
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2022-07-13T23:53:33 < kaki> definitelly
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2022-07-14T00:25:41 < kaki> Steffanx:
2022-07-14T00:31:20 < Steffanx> Unlikely 
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2022-07-14T00:59:59 < qyx> hm my scope developed an offset
2022-07-14T01:01:26 < Laurenceb> maybe there is an issue as I'm trying to do "split routing"
2022-07-14T01:01:51 < Laurenceb> I can select traffic to route to the secondary port, but now all traffic on my original port is blocked
2022-07-14T01:05:04 < Laurenceb> oh sheet fixed it
2022-07-14T01:05:22 < Laurenceb> --zone-orig needs to be set for both types of traffic, and zone 0 is invalid
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2022-07-14T01:24:01 < machinehum> How does one feed the build/zephyr/.config back into app/prj.conf?
2022-07-14T01:24:55 < machinehum> Typically in Linux this is done with a savedefconfig, creating a something_defconfig
2022-07-14T01:29:37 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/p/4IddG55wsVjJdB4qroQMG6
2022-07-14T01:30:54 < machinehum> There's a "D" option on menuconfig that works pretty well
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2022-07-14T01:42:07 < Laurenceb> hmm seems to be working
2022-07-14T01:42:19 < Laurenceb> why isnt this documented anywhere...
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2022-07-14T02:18:57 < Laurenceb> sheeeet I knew that was too easy
2022-07-14T02:19:21 < Laurenceb> now I restart the can->udp process and its partly broken
2022-07-14T02:28:08 < Laurenceb> maybe I need an inverse match
2022-07-14T03:04:15 < Laurenceb> aha found the issue
2022-07-14T03:04:24 < Laurenceb> iptables doesnt set socket mode to broadcast
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2022-07-14T09:48:59 < qyx> PaulFertser: the result is - rpi rs485 shield has DE/RE connected to something unknown, no schematic is available and it is not RTS. mbpoll nor that python minimal modbus lib dont't support toggling arbitrary GPIO to enable TX so I didn't even bother finding out where it is connected
2022-07-14T09:49:14 < qyx> another usb-rs485, ftdi based, as I said it doesn't enumerate anymore
2022-07-14T09:50:12 < qyx> another usb-rs485, exar based, cannot toggle DE without custom exar kernel module (it works as CDC-ACM but without DE)
2022-07-14T09:50:42 < qyx> and the random numbers I was getting were caused by DE toggling semirandomly on the rpi shield
2022-07-14T09:51:04 < qyx> so it was a very productive evening
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2022-07-14T09:51:19 < qyx> I remember I had one more usb-rs485 converter but I could't find it
2022-07-14T09:53:01 < srk> I have some chinese ones, ch341 inside
2022-07-14T09:55:07 < srk> you could roll your own usb-rs485 with stm quickly if you have transciever. have some chinese ones as well
2022-07-14T09:55:25 < srk> can even mail you these two, I have like 10 of each
2022-07-14T09:55:52 < qyx> I even have some boards I can use but I was lazy
2022-07-14T09:55:56 < qyx> somehow I expected it should work
2022-07-14T09:57:12 < srk> more like 5 but I only need 1 for power meter
2022-07-14T09:58:13 < srk> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32548472327.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32705625990.html
2022-07-14T10:06:42 < PaulFertser> qyx: so my first question "How do you switch your rs485 master into receiving" was spot on
2022-07-14T10:07:13 < srk> I expected HC-06 bluetooth module to just work with iOS, turns out I need ble4 module instead
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2022-07-14T10:07:41 < PaulFertser> qyx: it's not like the shield is so complex you can't just use continuity meter to find which pin it's connected to.
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2022-07-14T10:10:57 < qyx> I know but that wouldn't help me
2022-07-14T10:11:20 < qyx> I configured RTS correctly but that was not the right one
2022-07-14T10:13:58 < PaulFertser> qyx: it's probably easy enough to change libmodbus to use an arbitrary GPIO instead.
2022-07-14T10:15:18 < PaulFertser> I see https://wiki.seeedstudio.com/RS-485_Shield_for_Raspberry_Pi/ uses GPIO18
2022-07-14T10:18:59 < PaulFertser> btw, probably you can just solder a jumper from that GPIO18 to RTS?
2022-07-14T10:22:24 < PaulFertser> Yeah, I can't see why it shouldn't work and it should be trivial to short them.
2022-07-14T10:23:18 < PaulFertser> qyx: since libmodbus supports using RTS for that purpose without any tweaks
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2022-07-14T11:55:33 < PaulFertser> I can't see how shorting GPIO18 to RTS can harm unless you are trying to actively drive GPIO18 which you shouldn't.
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2022-07-14T13:57:02 < qyx> PaulFertser: works, the rs485 shield has DE connected to TX using some transistor-resistor logic
2022-07-14T13:57:12 < qyx> I desoldered it and connected directly to RTS
2022-07-14T13:57:20 < qyx> inverted RTS (in software)
2022-07-14T13:57:36 < qyx> and rebooted the slave (charging controller)
2022-07-14T13:57:38 < qyx> now it works
2022-07-14T13:58:26 < qyx> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/MIXZ6
2022-07-14T14:05:53 < PaulFertser> qyx: cool, congrats
2022-07-14T14:10:46 < qyx> thanks for your hints
2022-07-14T14:11:11 < qyx> changed the address to 2 and connected another charger, it works too
2022-07-14T14:11:17 < qyx> on first try this time
2022-07-14T14:23:31 < PaulFertser> :)
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2022-07-14T15:21:34 < Steffanx> Early kaki.
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2022-07-14T15:43:56 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/p/7mNzee7lElEg29DtPjuNu0
2022-07-14T15:46:19 < Jookia> Laurenceb: protip: use iptables-save and iptables-restore to save and restore your rulesets
2022-07-14T15:46:44 < Laurenceb> pk
2022-07-14T15:46:47 < Laurenceb> *ok
2022-07-14T15:52:23 < kaki> Steffanx: very early
2022-07-14T15:52:48 < kaki> I have not waken up even yet
2022-07-14T15:53:23 < kaki> I have some free time but I don't feel like doing anything
2022-07-14T15:54:33 < Laurenceb> lol isnt it afternoon in Finland?
2022-07-14T15:55:54 < BrainDamage> it's a bit hard to say about afternoon when the sun rises at 1 am
2022-07-14T15:59:45 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: do you mean big boss is happy with your iptables magic now?
2022-07-14T15:59:56 < Laurenceb> yes
2022-07-14T16:00:27 < Laurenceb> that seems ot work
2022-07-14T16:01:00 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: why did you change 0x1c to 28?
2022-07-14T16:01:07 < Laurenceb> easier to read
2022-07-14T16:01:41 < PaulFertser> I wonder if you can just match on fw mark in your nat OUTPUT.
2022-07-14T16:02:02 < PaulFertser> Instead of re-scanning the packet.
2022-07-14T16:03:36 < mawk> I proposed that
2022-07-14T16:03:56 < mawk> you can set a nfmark on the packet and match again on it later
2022-07-14T16:04:02 < mawk> or match on it for routing with policy routing
2022-07-14T16:06:10 < Laurenceb> I had to use socat to convert the socket into broadcast mode
2022-07-14T16:06:43 < Laurenceb> iptables cant transmit in broadcast mode, so first listener gets all the data, others can connect but they never ready anything
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2022-07-14T17:59:57 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/p/6SFp9rJBjBgs96mKbp9BU5
2022-07-14T18:00:03 < Laurenceb> alternative
2022-07-14T18:10:58 < Laurenceb> oh sheet https://nitter.net/pic/media%2FFXemrrVXwAISyvV.jpg%3Fname%3Dsmall
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2022-07-14T18:22:17 < Laurenceb> hmm I broke it again
2022-07-14T18:22:19 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/p/5VylwKv2m0nXxZduntV1Ta
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2022-07-14T18:53:56 < Steffanx> Where are you fireworks mawk?
2022-07-14T18:57:11 < Steffanx> Your*
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2022-07-14T19:43:45 < mawk> in the closet 
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2022-07-14T20:51:09 < Steffanx> No 14th of July for you mawk?
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2022-07-14T21:26:21 < Laurenceb> whats wrong with this c code?
2022-07-14T21:26:22 < Laurenceb> if(otmr[r].this_mailbox==(*(uint32_t*)udp_buffer)&(~((uint32_t)descriptor.mailbox_mask)))
2022-07-14T21:26:49 < Laurenceb> I know condition is true - gdb'd the variables, but it doesnt evaluate as true
2022-07-14T21:27:33 < jpa-> Laurenceb: operator precedence of &
2022-07-14T21:27:46 < Laurenceb> aha ok
2022-07-14T21:27:52 < jpa-> that evaluates as    otmr[r].this_mailbox==(*(uint32_t*)udp_buffer)    &    (~((uint32_t)descriptor.mailbox_mask))
2022-07-14T21:30:24 < Laurenceb> ah I see now, thanks
2022-07-14T21:31:09 < Jookia> always good to use safety parens
2022-07-14T21:31:35 < jpa-> or enable compiler warnings
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2022-07-14T21:57:45 < specing> Laurenceb: that code is eye cancer
2022-07-14T22:06:56 < qyx> re modbus, found https://github.com/owagner/modbus2mqtt
2022-07-14T22:07:08 < qyx> assuming karlp is using?
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2022-07-14T22:54:55 < Steffanx> What is karlp not using? ;)
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2022-07-14T23:06:17 < Mangy_Dog> https://twitter.com/MD_Builds/status/1547673559266238464
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2022-07-15T00:00:15 < kaki> morgon
2022-07-15T00:00:55 < qyx> saw the modbus2mqtt sources, not convinced to use it
2022-07-15T00:01:17 < qyx> apart from the detail it doesn't work because it doesn't support RTS
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2022-07-15T01:52:50  * karlp uses "mlifter" :)
2022-07-15T01:53:08 < karlp> which is proprietary, "core business" sort of thing...
2022-07-15T01:53:26 < karlp> libmodbus+libmosquitto+libevent2+liblua
2022-07-15T01:53:58 < karlp> youcan use collectd to do modbus2mqtt as well, but it's convoluted and very inefficient.
2022-07-15T01:54:40 < karlp> if you want app level control of RTS you'r egoing to have a "good time" :)
2022-07-15T01:55:24 < karlp> if you can control both ends, so you can make sure your devices don't try and respond quickly,  you might be able to get away with it, but you'll run into problems with third party gear pretty quickly...
2022-07-15T01:55:43 < karlp> (presuming you are using RTS as DE/_RE)
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2022-07-15T01:56:03 < karlp> you reallllly want to get the kernel to handle that for you.  
2022-07-15T01:56:10 < karlp> also, hello again everyone :) 
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2022-07-15T01:56:14 < aandrew> well you want the *hardware* to handle that
2022-07-15T01:56:19 < karlp> Im back from my holiday holiday.
2022-07-15T01:56:21 < aandrew> TSRE kind of thing
2022-07-15T01:56:47 < karlp> meh, at 19200 modbus, even 115200, if the kernelis handling it,i it's fast enough in our experience.
2022-07-15T01:57:09 < karlp> but on our current hardware, yes, we use a ft230x and have it take care of it automatically.
2022-07-15T01:57:16 < karlp> much less hassle :)
2022-07-15T01:57:27 < catphish_> kaki: box - https://youtu.be/Y7mD8UQ_Jqs
2022-07-15T01:57:46 < aandrew> sure, but that just rubs me the wrong way
2022-07-15T01:57:59 < karlp> why?
2022-07-15T01:58:39 < kaki> catphish: you need a seat
2022-07-15T01:58:48 < aandrew> I'm not saying it's logical. I just don't like the idea of doing it in software unless there's no other reason, but you're already in an interrupt handler you can check+delay a char time to turn transmitter off
2022-07-15T01:59:03 < catphish_> kaki: yes i believe a seat is required for annual inspection :)
2022-07-15T01:59:31 < kaki> that tesco bag asa seat ofc could save some weight
2022-07-15T01:59:44 < catphish_> tomorrow i need to bleed the brakes and bolt in the seat, and then it can be drive!
2022-07-15T02:00:10 < kaki> why it's whining in neutral?
2022-07-15T02:00:18 < karlp> I mean, if the kernel gets the same "transmit complete" flags, as on an MCU and handles it like that, I don't see any problem with it in "software"
2022-07-15T02:00:48 < karlp> but I had read it as the ft230x solution rubbed you the wrong way :)
2022-07-15T02:00:57 < catphish_> kaki: i suspect that's the sound of the coolant pump, sounds strangely loud on the video
2022-07-15T02:01:13 < kaki> ah I thought it's inverter
2022-07-15T02:01:34 < catphish_> the bigger question is why is bangs while accelerating
2022-07-15T02:01:41 < karlp> I mean, this was pretty bodgetastic, but worked well on that hardware :) https://github.com/etactica/openwrt-aa/commit/7bf7a59f104591fdadf53f1b2ef3c5e06d799a85
2022-07-15T02:01:42 < catphish_> i hope that stops then there's proper load on it
2022-07-15T02:02:27 < karlp> anyway, anything worth scrolling for in the last week?
2022-07-15T02:03:42 < catphish_> kaki: driveshafts: https://imgur.com/a/7KaD3Bq
2022-07-15T02:05:03 < kaki> driveshafts right length?
2022-07-15T02:05:49 < kaki> but it might be brakes
2022-07-15T02:06:06 < kaki> rust has formed on parts not covered by pads
2022-07-15T02:06:27 < kaki> making periodic sound
2022-07-15T02:07:29 < catphish_> i think shafts are right length, but should double check now all is fully assembled
2022-07-15T02:07:48 < catphish_> and no, brake discs and pads are brand new today
2022-07-15T02:08:47 < catphish_> i suspect problem is related to shafts, will check length, if they too long that's big annoying!
2022-07-15T02:09:24 < catphish_> hopefully they're not :)
2022-07-15T02:12:32 < karlp> qyx: there's like 30+ PRs for libmodbus doing various hacks on custom gpio toggling too...
2022-07-15T02:13:47 < karlp> zyp: yeah, I was looking for a a USB-PD "PPS" because I thought it should be a super easy thing for hobby electornics power supply shit, but yeah, seems pretty unobtanium.
2022-07-15T02:15:45 < kaki> catphish: cv joints having not full cover of lube yet
2022-07-15T02:15:57 < kaki> could make them make a sound
2022-07-15T02:16:13 < kaki> did you rub the balls completelly with the lube?
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2022-07-15T02:17:19 < kaki> also wear patterns cv joints or if assembled wrong or something
2022-07-15T02:18:55 < kaki> idk if you can assemble cv joint wrong but vag stuff I have done is symmetrical..
2022-07-15T02:19:25 < catphish_> kaki: it could definitely be lubrication problem, i put grease it, but i wasn't sure if was enough, i didn't rub anything with grease, jut put it in the joint, it seemed to cover everything
2022-07-15T02:19:51 < catphish_> i don't thing there's a wrong way to asssmble it
2022-07-15T02:19:59 < kaki> no premeasured bags of goo?
2022-07-15T02:20:25 < catphish_> no, i just bought pot of goo and distributed it between the joints
2022-07-15T02:20:33 < catphish_> perhaps i can look how much i should have used
2022-07-15T02:20:59 < kaki> 50g
2022-07-15T02:21:14 < catphish_> i used way more than that
2022-07-15T02:21:22 < kaki> okay it's fine
2022-07-15T02:22:11 < catphish_> i got 500g tub, put about 200g in each tesla tripod joint and about 50g in each of the original vauxhall outer joints
2022-07-15T02:22:18 < catphish_> maybe outer joints need more
2022-07-15T02:24:48 < kaki> tripods ofc need more
2022-07-15T02:25:07 < kaki> stuff has travel distance and volume
2022-07-15T02:26:09 < catphish_> yeah, those seemed well coated, the outer cv joints were alrady well greased, i added a little more to replace what what was lost from the boot, but it's hard to imagine any are dry enough to be causing the banging
2022-07-15T02:26:31 < catphish_> also i'm puzzled by why it only happens under acceleration
2022-07-15T02:27:10 < catphish_> i think maybe tomorrow i can try to work out what component is banging and go from there
2022-07-15T02:45:29 < catphish_> internet says not enough grease maybe
2022-07-15T02:47:36 < catphish_> it also says it could be the interface with the differential
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2022-07-15T03:26:33 < englishman> what did you end up doing for the axles
2022-07-15T03:26:41 < englishman> weld the halves?
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2022-07-15T04:03:21 < catphish_> englishman: yes
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2022-07-15T14:54:58 < qyx> https://paste.jvnv.net/view/kP71X
2022-07-15T15:00:46 < qyx> is there a better pythonic approach to write such thing on a single line?
2022-07-15T15:01:08 < qyx> something like for v in values if v.something == True:
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2022-07-15T15:21:20 < jpa-> qyx: not really; https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6981717/pythonic-way-to-combine-for-loop-and-if-statement
2022-07-15T15:29:08 < zyp> you can iterate over a genexp but that's just making a mess without simplifying anything
2022-07-15T15:29:17 < zyp> or you could pass it through filter()
2022-07-15T15:30:02 < zyp> but personally I prefer simply doing if blah != what_i_want: continue
2022-07-15T15:30:30 < zyp> simple and readable, and avoids having to double-indent the whole loop body
2022-07-15T15:30:50 < zyp> also makes it tidy to check multiple conditions
2022-07-15T15:33:13 < fenugrec> while there's a few .py pros here : I also suffer from nonidiomatic pyness : in C I would have a pointer to a struct here instead of a dumb string "7050" and then having to lookup that same string in the devlis[] array : https://github.com/fenugrec/nissutils/blob/eb25122ab6c7ff9c5036d26b5b9bc6ebba16bffa/ghidra_helpers/nissan_load.py#L41 any suggestions ?
2022-07-15T15:33:59 < fenugrec> I was proud for figuring out how to use namedtuple, but that feeling quickly dissipated
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2022-07-15T15:37:45 < jpa-> fenugrec: maybe https://docs.python.org/3/library/enum.html ?
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2022-07-15T15:38:12 < Laurenceb> supppp
2022-07-15T15:38:14 < Laurenceb> supppp
2022-07-15T15:39:41 < jpa-> fenugrec: or you could just have the devtype instance instead of the string
2022-07-15T15:40:02 < jpa-> dictionaries can also be useful for such lookup stuff
2022-07-15T15:45:21 < fenugrec> jpa-, thanks. This thing needs to run on py 2.7 though, not sure if enums work there
2022-07-15T15:46:08 < fenugrec> not sure what you mean by "have the devtype instance instead of string" ... like fidtype("SH705101", devlist[0]...) ?
2022-07-15T15:46:28 < fenugrec> other than by array index I'm not sure how to access each individual devtype instance
2022-07-15T15:49:21 < jpa-> what you have looks pretty ok to me though
2022-07-15T15:52:07 < zyp> what are you doing that still needs to run on 2.7?
2022-07-15T15:52:36 < zyp> 2.7 has been EOL/unsupported for *years*
2022-07-15T15:52:37 < fenugrec> it's a plugin for some jything abomination that is doomed to stay on 2.7 for the foreseeable future
2022-07-15T15:52:46 < fenugrec> the alternative is java. This seemed like the lesser evil
2022-07-15T15:52:52 < fenugrec> *jython
2022-07-15T15:53:05 < zyp> oh
2022-07-15T15:54:37 < jpa-> i might have structured the whole thing as    class BaseDevice: ...    class Device7050(BaseDevice): RAMstart = 0xffffe800 ...     fidmap = { 'SH705101': Device7050(0x1234), ... }    
2022-07-15T15:55:37 < fenugrec> oh, classes... never used 'em, but I see how it could work yes
2022-07-15T15:55:59 < fenugrec> I could also give them a toString() override which would help with other unrelated stuff in there too
2022-07-15T15:56:10 < jpa-> __str__()   in python :)
2022-07-15T15:56:48 < zyp> jython github repo has a surprising amount of activity for a project stuck on 2.7 with the last release over two years ago
2022-07-15T15:57:24 < fenugrec> well, jython, so... toString is necessary I think
2022-07-15T15:57:57 < zyp> and yeah, I agree, I'd probably also rather deal with python 2.7 than java
2022-07-15T15:58:04 < fenugrec> heh
2022-07-15T16:00:12 < fenugrec> well, thanks for the comments zyp&jpa
2022-07-15T16:26:21 < qyx> jpa- zyp thanks
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2022-07-15T21:47:12 < catphish_> summon kaki, i have box
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2022-07-15T21:49:51 < Steffanx> Stay out!
2022-07-15T21:51:25 < catphish_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScXQqPfMkmM
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2022-07-15T21:51:59 < Laurenceb> suppp
2022-07-15T21:52:27 < Laurenceb> fun day of hitting things with hammers
2022-07-15T21:52:31 < Laurenceb> victorian style
2022-07-15T21:53:25 < Laurenceb> hyperloop traction motor was supposed to be assembled using ln2 cooled and 150C oven heated parts... until someone did it all wrong
2022-07-15T21:53:55 < catphish_> hammers are fun
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2022-07-15T22:06:32 < Steffanx> Where does what come from me catphish_  ?
2022-07-15T22:06:53 < catphish_> where does what come from?
2022-07-15T22:07:06 < catphish_> what?
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2022-07-15T22:11:08 < Steffanx> Oh isn't that what you or someone else says in the video?
2022-07-15T22:11:56 < Steffanx> Maybe its the British accent 😜 
2022-07-15T22:12:09 < catphish_> at the end of the video, someone says "suits you actually"
2022-07-15T22:12:54 < Steffanx> The thing said before it.
2022-07-15T22:13:30 < catphish_> i can't make out anything said before that
2022-07-15T22:13:45 < catphish_> at 0:00 he says "oooooo"
2022-07-15T22:14:11 < catphish_> at 0:16 "niiiiiice"
2022-07-15T22:14:33 < catphish_> can't make out anything else
2022-07-15T22:19:24 < Laurenceb> traction motor is assembled... its a bit dented
2022-07-15T22:24:27 < Steffanx> Alright, whatever 😋
2022-07-15T22:25:11 < Steffanx> But nice nice catphish_  :)
2022-07-15T22:25:57 < catphish_> thanks, it drives, that's the important thing!
2022-07-15T22:26:15 < catphish_> the brakes need bleeding better, and there's a problem with the tuning of the inverter at full throttle
2022-07-15T22:26:19 < catphish_> but getting there
2022-07-15T22:28:59 < Steffanx> And the noise is gone?
2022-07-15T22:38:30 < srk> noice!
2022-07-15T22:41:08 < srk> do some proper acceleration test video :D
2022-07-15T23:12:46 < fenugrec> musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWOtFcpY2Q
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2022-07-15T23:20:21 < catphish_> Steffanx: i think noise is gone, but there are lots of noises now so i need to listen carefully to see if any of them are concerning
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2022-07-15T23:39:56 < catphish_> morning kaki, once again you arrived too late for box updates
2022-07-15T23:40:07 < kaki> you know me
2022-07-15T23:41:07 < catphish_> well, big box news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScXQqPfMkmM
2022-07-15T23:42:13 < kaki> :o
2022-07-15T23:43:00 < kaki> you have dedicated test driver
2022-07-15T23:44:16 < catphish_> he was driving it sideways, but i didn't catch that on camera
2022-07-15T23:44:50 < kaki> I think I can see rubber marks there
2022-07-15T23:45:31 < catphish_> indeed
2022-07-15T23:46:07 < catphish_> there's a bit of work still to do before final reassembly, but hopefully be finished in a week or so
2022-07-15T23:46:54 < kaki> your test driver is excited?
2022-07-15T23:47:16 < catphish_> he enjoyed it :)
2022-07-15T23:47:42 < catphish_> i'd like to get an actual mechanic adjust the wheel alignment etc before abusing it too much
2022-07-15T23:48:35 < catphish_> and i still want to pack the sides of the battery box to prevent the sideways battery stress
2022-07-15T23:48:57 < catphish_> the car really does make you *want* to drive it sideways
2022-07-15T23:49:26 < catphish_> and i need to fix the inverter tuning a bit, it stalls if you try to give it full throttle
2022-07-15T23:56:09 < kaki> interesting
2022-07-15T23:56:18 < kaki> fully?
2022-07-15T23:56:29 < kaki> 0% torque?
--- Day changed la heinä 16 2022
2022-07-16T00:02:56 < catphish_> no, it feels like about 20% torque
2022-07-16T00:03:28 < catphish_> i have my voltage set very low and my slip set very high, my suspicion is that i'm pushing it into "stall" region
2022-07-16T00:03:55 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/uHWyKtF.jpg
2022-07-16T00:05:51 < catphish_> lol
2022-07-16T00:06:03 < catphish_> it's funny because it's photoshopped
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2022-07-16T00:34:42 < karlp> [v["blah"] = msg.arbitid for v in config.get.items()]  
2022-07-16T00:34:53 < karlp> the list comprehension never has to be kept...
2022-07-16T00:35:43 < karlp> fenugrec: lol, writing py27 code in $YEAR :) 
2022-07-16T00:36:58 < karlp> jython was rad hotness in.... the job before my last one, and I've been in my current one for 11 or 12 years now :|
2022-07-16T00:40:50 < karlp> also [blah if v.wop = msg.arbit for v in config.get.items()] sorry, to ge the conditional ther eproperly...)
2022-07-16T00:42:14 < fenugrec> karlp, like I said... a choice of lesser evils
2022-07-16T00:45:07 < srk> poor :(
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2022-07-16T01:29:46 < kaki> https://www.metallux.ch/divisions/pressure-sensors
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2022-07-16T02:32:50 < kaki> so cool
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2022-07-16T10:27:53 < srk> fortune!
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2022-07-16T21:26:37 < Laurenceb>  rcode=$(echo -e -n "000" | cut -c 1-$(((4-${#rst}))) ; echo -e -n "$rst" )
2022-07-16T21:26:50 < Laurenceb> this adds a whitespace between the two echos
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2022-07-16T22:19:07 < Jookia> Laurenceb: cut will add a new line yes
2022-07-16T22:19:56 < Laurenceb> fixed it by just concatenating string without the second echo
2022-07-16T22:20:55 < Jookia> ah
2022-07-16T22:20:57 < Jookia> you could also do
2022-07-16T22:20:59 < Jookia> echo -e -n "hello" | awk '{ ORS=""; print $1; }' | xxd
2022-07-16T22:21:08 < Jookia> awk lets you print without newline
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2022-07-17T15:13:42 < kaki> catphish: you have warm there?
2022-07-17T15:13:54 < kaki> send some here
2022-07-17T15:14:13 < kaki> news say you have +40 warm
2022-07-17T15:15:23 < kaki> we have +15 warm
2022-07-17T15:23:11 < jpa-> but we have more biting insects
2022-07-17T15:23:19 < jpa-> no reason to complain
2022-07-17T15:24:12 < kaki> I dont even notice anymore
2022-07-17T15:58:30 < catphish> kaki: i think i'm in more chill part of UK, only +25 warm here today, +32 predicted tomorrow
2022-07-17T15:58:44 < catphish> that will be nice warm!
2022-07-17T15:58:46 < kaki> london 38 tommorow
2022-07-17T15:59:00 < catphish> yeah nobody wants to be there though
2022-07-17T15:59:14 < catphish> i'll take my countryside +32 :)
2022-07-17T15:59:18 < milkylainen> Stockholm 23 tomorrow.
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2022-07-17T16:26:38 < kaki> https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/orthographic=-321.32,32.74,850/loc=48.399,31.366 how about 48.7C
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2022-07-17T16:43:40 < mawk> catphish https://www.reddit.com/r/rance/comments/w11v4l/retour_vers_le_meilleur_du_passé_2021_à_loccasion/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
2022-07-17T17:17:29 < Steffanx> Mawk will die Tuesday too
2022-07-17T17:28:27 < mawk> why
2022-07-17T17:28:30 < mawk> what happens tuesday
2022-07-17T17:28:43 < mawk> I'll go to the office we have AC
2022-07-17T17:29:00 < Steffanx> Ah lucky you
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2022-07-17T19:22:27 < kaki> my A/Cs are running in heating mode now
2022-07-17T19:26:53 < Steffanx> But thats because you're ice-cold kaki
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2022-07-17T19:41:19 < Mangy_Dog> https://twitter.com/MD_Builds/status/1548707466690584580
2022-07-17T19:44:33 < specing> why die
2022-07-17T19:44:38 < specing> it'll only be 35'C or so
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2022-07-17T19:55:37 < Mangy_Dog> parts of the uk are reaching 40c tomorrow
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2022-07-17T20:45:24 < kaki> gib that 98% moisture too
2022-07-17T20:45:39 < kaki> moist.. humidity
2022-07-17T20:48:49 < kaki> moite
2022-07-17T20:49:09 < kaki> maybe I should try to code now
2022-07-17T20:49:40 < kaki> it's been so long I dont remember how to bring up IDE with my project
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2022-07-17T21:09:47 < kaki> okay so passing a callback function pointer via template is where I got stuck last time
2022-07-17T21:15:18 < kaki> error: ‘callback_test’ is not a valid template argument of type ... ... because ‘callback_test’ is not a variable
2022-07-17T21:15:18 < kaki>    18 | MTT::pwm_t (*const pcallback_test)(MTT::controller_interval_t, MTT::state_t, MTT::ramp_t, MTT::pwm_t, MTT::feedback_t) = &callback_test;
2022-07-17T21:18:04 < kaki> I try to pass pcallback_test in template
2022-07-17T21:18:45 < kaki> I think we talked about using reference or "function" wrapper
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2022-07-17T21:32:29 < kaki> how do I variablize callback_test?
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2022-07-17T21:37:14 < kaki> in this case I though = or & would result into variable
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2022-07-17T22:00:11 < kaki> with std::function how do I make a check that function has right return type and parameters?
2022-07-17T22:03:18 < kaki> ah I just detemplate it inside my class
2022-07-17T22:03:28 < kaki> should work
2022-07-17T22:04:46 < kaki> but arguments are deprecated since ++17 and removed since ++20
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2022-07-17T22:11:14 < kaki> zyp: I cannot force arguments with std::function?
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2022-07-17T22:25:24 < zyp> std::bind or something?
2022-07-17T22:25:34 < zyp> oh
2022-07-17T22:25:40 < zyp> idk
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2022-07-18T00:15:22 < englishman> catphish: does your car have A/C
2022-07-18T00:24:08 < kaki> it does not
2022-07-18T00:36:52 < catphish_> englishman: no :)
2022-07-18T00:37:10 < catphish_> it has a heater for wintertime!
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2022-07-18T16:18:33 < Laurenceb> sheet
2022-07-18T16:18:34 < Laurenceb> https://www.chelmervillage-weather.co.uk/
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2022-07-18T16:52:53 < Mangy_Dog> tis warm
2022-07-18T16:53:08 < Mangy_Dog> here in norfolk... if youre in essex... *waves 50 miles north of you*
2022-07-18T16:56:56 < Laurenceb> nope I'm in Derby
2022-07-18T16:58:28 < Mangy_Dog> aahhh
2022-07-18T16:58:38  * Mangy_Dog waves 100 miles from the east :p
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2022-07-18T17:13:18 < englishman> when brits arent complaining about they rain they are complaining the concrete jungle they created is hot
2022-07-18T17:15:24 < kaki> urban areas are heat traps
2022-07-18T17:16:12 < kaki> if I drive to city in sunny day I can feel that +2Celsius difference right away
2022-07-18T17:18:39 < Laurenceb> sheet my windows are hot
2022-07-18T17:18:49 < Laurenceb> crazy
2022-07-18T17:18:59 < Laurenceb> 15C hotter outside than inside
2022-07-18T17:19:45 < kaki> better stay inside
2022-07-18T17:21:44 < kaki> you have A/C?
2022-07-18T17:22:25 < Laurenceb> nope
2022-07-18T17:28:29 < kaki> I think the highest temperature I have experienced is +38C
2022-07-18T17:28:32 < kaki> in sicily
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2022-07-18T17:29:39 < Laurenceb> heading towards 40C
2022-07-18T17:29:52 < Steffanx> Farewell Laurenceb  
2022-07-18T17:30:13 < kaki> damn we were sleeping in air conditioned car in middle of day.. and locals were carrying on like it was nothing
2022-07-18T17:31:08 < kaki> so exhausting we had to just chill in a car after any time outdoors
2022-07-18T17:34:07 < Mangy_Dog> even out here in the coutry its about 36 or so C
2022-07-18T17:34:14 < Mangy_Dog> i couldnt stay out in the sun 
2022-07-18T17:34:22 < Mangy_Dog> one of the reasons im not at the beach
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2022-07-18T17:52:55 < mawk> I made a duhkker container with stm32cubeide
2022-07-18T17:52:59 < mawk> to build in headless mode in the CI
2022-07-18T17:53:08 < mawk> it weighs a nice 3GiB
2022-07-18T17:55:39 < Steffanx> Are you OK mawk?
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2022-07-18T17:57:45 < kaki> heat melted head
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2022-07-18T18:02:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.chatteris.biz/
2022-07-18T18:02:17 < Laurenceb> sheeet
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2022-07-18T18:07:38 < mawk> Steffanx :(
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2022-07-18T20:06:51 < mawk> I used my docker container in a jenkins pipeline
2022-07-18T20:06:54 < mawk> it works perfectly
2022-07-18T20:07:31 < mawk> https://serveur.io/ksnip-tmp-20220718190720463.png
2022-07-18T20:17:46 < Steffanx> Why is it in French?
2022-07-18T20:18:05 < Steffanx> And only partially 
2022-07-18T20:27:00 < mawk> my chrome is in french
2022-07-18T20:27:05 < mawk> and jenkins thought it could speak french to me
2022-07-18T20:27:10 < mawk> but the translation is lacunar
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2022-07-18T21:06:43 < machinehum> Does anyone have a decent way to interface with 1.27mm headers?
2022-07-18T21:06:48 < machinehum> Male
2022-07-18T21:06:49 < machinehum> https://www.mouser.ca/ProductDetail/855-M50-3300842
2022-07-18T21:06:56 < machinehum> They don't make 8pin versions of those
2022-07-18T21:08:37 < machinehum> It looks like they start at 10pin
2022-07-18T21:12:58 < karlp> what do you have that hsa 2x4?
2022-07-18T21:13:26 < machinehum> https://www.mouser.ca/ProductDetail/710-62130821021
2022-07-18T21:13:42 < machinehum> Something like this could work I guess https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/samtec-inc/SFSD-04-28-G-03-25-D-NDX/8413986
2022-07-18T21:14:16 < machinehum> Basically I used that 1.27mm header on the board... need to fly it out to an FTDI/powr pints
2022-07-18T21:14:18 < machinehum> pins
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2022-07-18T21:19:42 < machinehum> Yeah those are flyed to 28AWG then I can crimp normal dupont wires on
2022-07-18T21:22:38 < milkylainen> machinehum: 1.27 pin headers are normal inclusions on some boards. Just order a header and correctly spaced cable and build your own whatever.
2022-07-18T21:23:17 < machinehum> Soldering? nah
2022-07-18T21:23:23 < milkylainen> I had a smbus/i2c header on a 1.8" x86 board.
2022-07-18T21:24:16 < milkylainen> the 2x4 header or whatever is pressed. The other end.. well I guess that depends on what you are doing. So probably soldering.
2022-07-18T21:24:35 < milkylainen> I think adafruit had some headers + cables that could be modified.
2022-07-18T21:24:59 < milkylainen> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1675
2022-07-18T21:25:03 < milkylainen> 2x5
2022-07-18T21:25:21 < karlp> yes, they already said they had 10 pin :)
2022-07-18T21:25:23 < karlp> they want 8.
2022-07-18T21:25:26 < milkylainen> dunno about 2x4
2022-07-18T21:25:31 < machinehum> My issue is I need a 2x4
2022-07-18T21:25:35 < machinehum> Doesn't seem to exist
2022-07-18T21:25:36 < milkylainen> I had mine specially made.
2022-07-18T21:25:38 < milkylainen> :)
2022-07-18T21:25:39 < milkylainen> They do.
2022-07-18T21:26:13 < machinehum> That pigtail connector is the solution
2022-07-18T21:27:23 < milkylainen> pigtail?
2022-07-18T21:27:29 < milkylainen> antennas?
2022-07-18T21:27:34 < machinehum> https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/samtec-inc/SFSD-04-28-G-03-25-D-NDX/8413986
2022-07-18T21:28:03 < machinehum> Pigtail is just slang for loose wires
2022-07-18T21:29:03 < machinehum> I can snip that guy in half, and then crimp normal 2.54mm dupont wires, plug it into the FTDI
2022-07-18T21:29:31 < milkylainen> Ack. I've never used it that way. I always use pigtail for terminated sma or similar.
2022-07-18T21:30:42 < milkylainen> As long as the spacing is correct you're all good.
2022-07-18T21:30:47 < milkylainen> Go for it. :)
2022-07-18T21:34:56 < machinehum> ye
2022-07-18T21:35:27 < machinehum> I'll probably avoid those pitch connectors in the future if possible
2022-07-18T21:41:54 < karlp> just use two more pins...
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2022-07-18T21:48:45 < machinehum> karlp: Waste of pins dude
2022-07-18T21:49:05 < karlp> well, you're the one who laid out a board with no design for what to connect it to :)
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2022-07-18T22:01:46 < mawk> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1675 is what we use
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2022-07-18T22:55:01 < catphish_> morning
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2022-07-18T23:03:29 < Steffanx> Gooday sirs 
2022-07-18T23:05:19 < catphish_> good day
2022-07-18T23:05:35 < kaki> multichats
2022-07-18T23:06:11 < kaki> bomb steff in tg and ircs at same time
2022-07-18T23:06:35 < kaki> never dm
2022-07-18T23:07:03 < Steffanx> Want to slide into my dm?
2022-07-18T23:07:11 < kaki> nope
2022-07-18T23:09:21 < catphish_> tg?
2022-07-18T23:10:30 < kaki> *nod*
2022-07-18T23:10:52 < catphish_> telegram?
2022-07-18T23:11:24 < kaki> yes
2022-07-18T23:12:59 < catphish_> what does that do?
2022-07-18T23:13:58 < Steffanx> It does ##gd32 
2022-07-18T23:14:04 < kaki> idk it mainly has 300million pakis
2022-07-18T23:14:19 < Steffanx> Sometimes it's more active than irc. And it has dongs
2022-07-18T23:14:23 < catphish_> is it like discord/slack/etc?
2022-07-18T23:14:26 < kaki> and our secret place
2022-07-18T23:14:52 < Steffanx> More like signal, WhatsApp and what not
2022-07-18T23:14:54 < catphish_> everywhere has dongs if you post them
2022-07-18T23:15:06 < kaki> Steffanx: does catphish even know dongs?
2022-07-18T23:15:15 < Steffanx> I'm not sure.
2022-07-18T23:15:20 < Steffanx> I think so
2022-07-18T23:15:28 < catphish_> he used to be here, right?
2022-07-18T23:15:32 < Steffanx> Yeah
2022-07-18T23:15:35 < catphish_> then he was not here any more
2022-07-18T23:15:37 < kaki> I think he might be late- to post-dongs
2022-07-18T23:15:53 < catphish_> people who aren't here suck
2022-07-18T23:16:00 < catphish_> so i don't like him
2022-07-18T23:16:42 < catphish_> here's a todo list i made for this week, monday was success! https://i.imgur.com/tbrnqOg.jpg
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2022-07-18T23:31:44 < zyp> I fucking hate telegram
2022-07-18T23:32:29 < qyx> why
2022-07-18T23:32:39 < kaki> interestings
2022-07-18T23:32:45 < kaki> but arent you in telegrams?
2022-07-18T23:32:49 < mawk> why zyp 
2022-07-18T23:33:09 < mawk> telegroms
2022-07-18T23:35:20 < zyp> kaki, well, yeah, that's just because I love you assholes more than I hate telegram
2022-07-18T23:35:42 < zyp> but the UI is shit
2022-07-18T23:36:42 < Steffanx> Agreed. It sucks
2022-07-18T23:37:16 < zyp> and I especially hate the way it syncs half-written messages across clients and doesn't manage to sync that they were completed and sent or whatever
2022-07-18T23:38:09 < zyp> so like if I type something on one computer and send it, next day I go open another computer, half of the message is sitting in the input box
2022-07-18T23:38:36 < zyp> so I erase it, and next time I switch computers again it's back again
2022-07-18T23:38:39 < kaki> I wouldnt know I only use it in phone
2022-07-18T23:38:45 < Steffanx> Never had that
2022-07-18T23:42:20 < machinehum> karlp: This is true
2022-07-18T23:42:25 < qyx> here neither
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2022-07-19T00:14:45 < karlp> it's better than teams...
2022-07-19T00:18:30 < Steffanx> I'm not convinced 
2022-07-19T00:18:51 < karlp> eh, different things.
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2022-07-19T10:02:47 < jadew> zyp, what's wrong with Norway? https://cne.news/artikel/1242-norwegian-public-prosecution-service-investigates-hate-inciting-tweets-about-gender
2022-07-19T10:03:13 < jadew> is it going full dystopian?
2022-07-19T10:04:41 < jadew> TL;DR: Woman tweets males cannot be lesbians or get pregnant. Now she faces 3 years in prison.
2022-07-19T10:06:25 < jadew> sounds like freedom of speech and fundamental biological facts just got thrown out the window in one move
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2022-07-19T10:30:48 < mawk> lol
2022-07-19T10:31:36 < mawk> 3 years is the maximum jadew 
2022-07-19T10:31:40 < mawk> she probably won't get that
2022-07-19T10:32:59 < jadew> it's absurd that it's even on the table
2022-07-19T10:37:52 < catphish_> why absurd? it's clearly hate speech, which most countries except the US law laws against
2022-07-19T10:38:10 < catphish_> now it may not be right, but it's certainly not "absurd"
2022-07-19T10:38:44 < jadew> are you trolling?
2022-07-19T10:38:45 < catphish_> also, afaik it's definitely a fact that men can't be lesbians, and i don't think any would claim to be, except in jest
2022-07-19T10:39:23 < catphish_> plenty of what might seem like innocuous factual statements are in fact poorly veiled hate speech
2022-07-19T10:40:03 < jadew> stating facts in response to nonsensical gibberish is not hate speech
2022-07-19T10:40:16 < catphish_> the idea that "i can say anything because free speech" is not universally understood
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2022-07-19T10:41:35 < catphish_> the idea that men cannot get pregnant is clearly no longer true due to the presence of trans people, and unless you were teaching very young children about biology, stating it would seem to obviously be trying to upset those people, not serving any factual purpose
2022-07-19T10:42:26 < catphish_> there are plenty of other things that might be true, but to say them in a particular context would be hate speech
2022-07-19T10:42:29 < jadew> classifying the challenge of ideas (let alone demonstrably wrong ideas) as hate speech is authoritarian garbage
2022-07-19T10:42:42 < jadew> also trans men are not men
2022-07-19T10:43:42 < catphish_> challenging ideas should indeed not be hate speech, but one should be careful not to be hateful while doing it
2022-07-19T10:44:03 < jadew> offense is taken, not given
2022-07-19T10:44:20 < catphish_> at this point, the classification of trans people is clearly nothing but a matter of opinion and semantics, not fact
2022-07-19T10:44:37 < jadew> not true
2022-07-19T10:45:07 < catphish_> you're talking about the definition of a word, definitions of words are not unchangable facts
2022-07-19T10:45:26 < jadew> it's an unsuccessful attempt of hijacking words
2022-07-19T10:45:39 < catphish_> "offense is taken, not given" is clearly nonsense, while people can stupidly take offense to anything, it's also possible to overtly "give" offense
2022-07-19T10:45:58 < catphish_> words mean whatever people want them to mean
2022-07-19T10:46:00 < jadew> and if you don't take, it how could that be offensive to you?
2022-07-19T10:46:08 < catphish_> there's no fixed definition of words
2022-07-19T10:46:28 < jadew> sure, but that doesn't mean that a tiny minority can dictate what they mean for everyone else
2022-07-19T10:46:38 < jadew> since the beginning of time, gender had a sexual component to it
2022-07-19T10:46:50 < catphish_> jadew: you're right, it takes time and cnsensus
2022-07-19T10:46:55 < jadew> a transvestite was always a person of one sex, pretending to be of a different sex
2022-07-19T10:47:27 < jadew> that has never changed, only in the minds of people who can't think clearly
2022-07-19T10:47:27 < catphish_> jadew: basically yes, a transvestite is a person of one sex dressing up as someone of the opposite sex, that's still the case
2022-07-19T10:47:39 < jadew> that's exactly what trans people are
2022-07-19T10:47:47 < catphish_> those people don't claim to *be* the oposite sex
2022-07-19T10:47:57 < jadew> that's the correct word for "trans" - transvestite, not "transexual" - you can't be transexual
2022-07-19T10:48:13 < catphish_> well in my culture, people would disagree with you, so clearly there are cultural differences here
2022-07-19T10:48:34 < jadew> I believe that in any culture people would disagree with that
2022-07-19T10:48:43 < catphish_> some people, probably
2022-07-19T10:48:47 < jadew> but the disconnection between reality and what people believe is called psychosis not fact
2022-07-19T10:48:52 < catphish_> but some people still think the world is flat
2022-07-19T10:49:05 < catphish_> so we can't assume the minority are correct
2022-07-19T10:49:16 < jadew> exactly my point
2022-07-19T10:49:33 < catphish_> this is a case where facts aren't important
2022-07-19T10:49:42 < jadew> ...
2022-07-19T10:49:45 < catphish_> what matters is making sure everyone can enjoy their lives
2022-07-19T10:49:59 < catphish_> like i said, word definitions aren't facts
2022-07-19T10:50:07 < catphish_> and realy they're not important here anyway
2022-07-19T10:50:12 < jadew> yeah, and the moment you force the psychosis on others on the rest of the population, the rest of the population enjoys their lives a little less
2022-07-19T10:50:20 < catphish_> what's important is making sure people are happy
2022-07-19T10:50:32 < jadew> instead if we called it what it was, they could get proper and correct treatment for their affliction
2022-07-19T10:50:43 < catphish_> if i'm happy, and trans people are happy, everyone wins
2022-07-19T10:50:45 < jadew> which yeah, would make them happy I would guess
2022-07-19T10:51:08 < jadew> if trans people are only happy if I lie to myself
2022-07-19T10:51:12 < catphish_> it's odd that you'd worry about the definitions of words to someone's detriment
2022-07-19T10:51:34 < jadew> then they can go fuck themselves, otherwise I don't care about what they do with their lives and I'd love to hear that they're happy
2022-07-19T10:51:39 < catphish_> you don't have to lie, you just have to understand that language evolves
2022-07-19T10:51:49 < jadew> no, it's a lie
2022-07-19T10:51:50 < catphish_> that doesn't sound true
2022-07-19T10:51:57 < jadew> it is
2022-07-19T10:52:03 < catphish_> it's like people who insist electrocution means dying
2022-07-19T10:52:08 < jadew> I want them to be happy, without getting me involved
2022-07-19T10:52:25 < catphish_> you don't have to be involved, that's precisely the point
2022-07-19T10:52:47 < catphish_> there's no reason to go around saying things like "trans people don't exist"
2022-07-19T10:53:11 < catphish_> you can just... not
2022-07-19T10:53:35 < jadew> I don't want to engage in twisted, unfactual trains of thoughts, in order to support an idea I fundamentally disagree with, because it's unscientific
2022-07-19T10:54:35 < jadew> I didn't say they don't, I said transexuals don't exist
2022-07-19T10:54:54 < jadew> and yes, the moment they insist that they do, they have involved me, because that has implications into my life
2022-07-19T10:54:57 < catphish_> i have to dash now, sorry
2022-07-19T10:54:58 < jadew> and my children's life
2022-07-19T10:55:06 < jadew> np, we can continue another time 
2022-07-19T10:55:09 < jadew> ttyl
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2022-07-19T11:29:36 < Steffanx> And now you made ##stm32 part of it. Screw you, jadew.
2022-07-19T11:29:58 < jadew> did you enjoy the ride?
2022-07-19T11:30:37 < jadew> I'm still on it (the ride). Apparently on the other side of the spectrum we have anti-lgbt prayers lol
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2022-07-19T11:32:54 < jadew> I'm out. ttyl.
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2022-07-19T12:06:51 < zyp> jadew, IIRC from when it was in norwegian media, what makes it illegal isn't that it's anti-trans opinions, but that it's harrasment against a specific individual
2022-07-19T12:09:55 < zyp> https://www-faktisk-no.translate.goog/artikler/z9684/du-kan-fortsatt-si-biologiske-sannheter-om-kjonn-uten-a-havne-i-fengsel?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=wapp
2022-07-19T12:14:44 < zyp> jadew, also, why do you care so much about what other people have in their pants?
2022-07-19T12:49:08 < drzacek> hello there
2022-07-19T12:49:55 < drzacek> I have a dumb question - what is the difference between https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/nucleo-l452re.html and https://www.st.com/en/evaluation-tools/nucleo-l452re-p.html
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2022-07-19T12:50:15 < drzacek> I get that the -p has some kind of clever external SMPS thingy going on there, which I'm not really interested in
2022-07-19T12:50:34 < Laurenceb> kaki 21:12:51
2022-07-19T12:50:35 < Laurenceb> I think he might be late- to post-dongs
2022-07-19T12:50:44 < Laurenceb> yeah but who remembers flyback
2022-07-19T12:51:25 < jpa-> drzacek: well, that's the difference?
2022-07-19T12:51:26 < drzacek> just trying to find out if the MCUs used on those nucleo boards are compatible? the docs mention STM32L452RET6U and STM32L452RET6P, having trouble finding those products on stm site to compare
2022-07-19T12:53:01 < jpa-> datasheet says that P = "Dedicated pinout supporting external SMPS"
2022-07-19T12:53:12 < drzacek> from my perspective, that smps thingy only steals my precious gpio. but if they used different chip, then maybe it does require it, and I can't just take it and skip those pins in my own PCB designs
2022-07-19T12:53:45 < jpa-> yes, in the P variant the GPIOs are replaced by SMPS VDD pins
2022-07-19T12:54:03 < drzacek> I don't quite understood the idea behind it. Sure, use smps instead of ldo, but why does it need so many pins for that?
2022-07-19T12:54:16 < drzacek> just configure it in hardware to provide 3.3V and done
2022-07-19T12:55:18 < jpa-> the core operates at 1.2V, and that is what gets provided through SMPS
2022-07-19T12:55:28 < drzacek> ah
2022-07-19T12:55:40 < drzacek> and the non-p does it internally on it's own, and apparently not as efficient?
2022-07-19T12:55:59 < jpa-> in the non-SMPS variant there are no external supply pins for 1.2V, it just gets regulated internally 
2022-07-19T12:56:24 < jpa-> yeah, LDO 3.3V -> 1.2V is at most 36% efficient, SMPS can easily be over 80%
2022-07-19T12:56:46 < drzacek> I see
2022-07-19T12:56:47 < jpa-> but with the low power usage anyway, it doesn't always matter that much
2022-07-19T12:57:12 < drzacek> it makes the design somewhat more complicate
2022-07-19T12:57:13 < drzacek> d
2022-07-19T12:57:24 < drzacek> and bigger, which is even worse. need something smol
2022-07-19T12:57:39 < jpa-> yeah, i have never bothered
2022-07-19T12:57:42  * drzacek thinks how to source the l452re non-p mcus
2022-07-19T12:57:47 < jpa-> even in low power applications i just sleep the MCU instead
2022-07-19T12:58:07 < jpa-> how to source any STM32 these days ;)
2022-07-19T12:58:09 < drzacek> jpa-, I ordered those nucleos last year, and went for the -P variant due to microUSB. the other one had miniUSB...
2022-07-19T12:58:27 < drzacek> jpa-, not even buying nucleo to desolder is easy these days
2022-07-19T13:03:12 < jpa-> soon we may have to resort to starting a war to steal washing machines to get chips from
2022-07-19T13:23:43 < drzacek> wait a minute
2022-07-19T13:23:56 < drzacek> is this what's this was about?
2022-07-19T13:24:01 < drzacek> *mind blown*
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2022-07-19T14:23:31 < drzacek> so I opened both nucleos in new stm32cubeide projects and compared the pinout. it looks mostly similar, with few small changes - it automatically means that they are not pin compatible, but the layout is not done yet so I guess it don't matter. I just need to check if all my pins are there and have same function and I guess I should be good
2022-07-19T14:23:52 < drzacek> now the other question is - is there a way to port cubeide project to other MCU? 
2022-07-19T14:24:13 < drzacek> there should be no conflicts, PB1 is PB1, PC9 is PC9, so in theory it could work
2022-07-19T14:24:29 < drzacek> instead of creating a new one and setting everything up by hand accordingly?
2022-07-19T14:29:24 < Steffanx> AFAIK there is no official way 
2022-07-19T14:29:31 < Steffanx> Not last time I asked google.
2022-07-19T14:44:39 < mawk> I should make my stm32cubeide docker image public
2022-07-19T14:44:44 < mawk> then ST will come at me with a nice lawsuit
2022-07-19T14:45:34 < mawk> drzacek: copy the old source files to a freshly generated source from cubemx
2022-07-19T14:45:42 < mawk> if everything is similar it should work
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2022-07-19T14:47:51 < drzacek> by first code generation it will be gone
2022-07-19T14:51:35 < mawk> ?
2022-07-19T14:51:38 < mawk> why drzacek 
2022-07-19T14:51:41 < mawk> I mean copy your own code
2022-07-19T14:51:51 < mawk> and regenerate the setup code from cubemx for the new chip
2022-07-19T14:51:58 < mawk> like configure the new chip like the old chip was
2022-07-19T14:52:01 < mawk> then generate the code
2022-07-19T14:52:05 < mawk> then copy the user code
2022-07-19T14:52:13 < mawk> between BEGIN USER CODE and END USER CODE
2022-07-19T14:59:19 < drzacek> well I have my code, my functions etc in separate files, I can copy those, not a problem
2022-07-19T14:59:32 < drzacek> but still need to configure all pins, timers, uarts etc in cubemx
2022-07-19T14:59:38 < drzacek> I think it's not THAT bad
2022-07-19T15:00:15 < drzacek> just thought that it would be nice if there was some one-click solution for migration
2022-07-19T15:16:56 < Laurenceb> nsfl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW_ooS1-VfA
2022-07-19T15:21:19 < Laurenceb> probably fake
2022-07-19T15:21:42 < mawk> why are you sharing nsfl likes here?¿
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2022-07-19T15:33:51 < drzacek> what;s an 'l'?
2022-07-19T15:34:28 < PaulFertser> life ?
2022-07-19T15:47:06 < zyp> jpa-, released orbtrace 1.1 with the swo support last night: https://github.com/orbcode/orbtrace/releases/tag/v1.1.0
2022-07-19T16:16:25 < mawk> not safe for life
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2022-07-19T17:18:25 < Steffanx> Cool zyp. Now I must try it soon.
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2022-07-19T19:27:16 < jadew> zyp, communication is important and our societal norms are built around that (both on communication and what you have in your pants)
2022-07-19T19:28:35 < jadew> also, people don't like being lied to
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2022-07-19T19:29:33 < jadew> and there's also a lot to say about people who lie to others, even if it's because of a mental illness - you would be less likely to let your kids in their care for example
2022-07-19T19:29:37 < jadew> if you knew that is
2022-07-19T19:30:44 < jadew> so, while I don't care what they do in private, with what they have in their pants, I do care when I'm lied or when I'm forced to accept and confirm a distorted reality
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2022-07-19T19:33:16 < jadew> and I'm not even going to get into the indoctrination aspect of it, which actually changes society based on ideas that are demonstrably wrong
2022-07-19T19:34:03 < jadew> might not be clear, from what I'm saying, but I'm all for gay marriage and all of that
2022-07-19T19:34:40 < jadew> s/clear, from/clear from/
2022-07-19T19:37:06 < jadew> https://www.opindia.com/2022/07/woke-concepts-gender-activists-stop-anthropologists-from-marking-human-remains-as-male-or-female/
2022-07-19T19:38:45 < jadew> zyp, btw, thanks for clearing that up regarding the article
2022-07-19T19:44:40 < jpa-> heh, that article that is based on some twitter thread by a student seems to even misrepresent what the twitter thread says
2022-07-19T19:44:56 < jpa-> if that is the kind of stuff jadew reads, i'm not surprised by the opinions they hold
2022-07-19T19:45:25 < jadew> it's not... I just came across that, but I didn't find it surprising
2022-07-19T19:46:10 < jadew> do you have a screenshot of the actual tweets?
2022-07-19T19:46:15 < jpa-> the twitter thread even begins by   "you might know the argument that.... Let me tell you why that's bullshit."   and then elaborates how the problems in current archeology are quite minimal in this regard and are being improved
2022-07-19T19:46:25 < jpa-> there is a link there, https://web.archive.org/web/20220705105837/https://twitter.com/EmmaPalladino/status/1543800316352667648
2022-07-19T19:47:15 < jpa-> and somehow that student's "here is how archeology works and that is ok" gets twisted to "woke activists want to stop this!!!"
2022-07-19T19:48:43 < jadew> who is she arguing this for?
2022-07-19T19:49:37 < jpa-> it appears to be directed for their "trans+non-binary friends"
2022-07-19T19:49:50 < jadew> who seem to be upset by that
2022-07-19T19:49:58 < jpa-> where?
2022-07-19T19:50:20 < jadew> hold on, I'm still unpacking
2022-07-19T19:50:28 < jadew> I think she's going against that particular argument
2022-07-19T19:50:32 < jadew> and trying to debunk it
2022-07-19T19:51:13 < jadew> the implication being that that argument is being made in debates: "Archeologists will still label you male/female when they find your bones."
2022-07-19T19:51:29 < jadew> and what follows is her attack on that argument, let me read it again
2022-07-19T19:51:48 < jpa-> yeah, that's some of the regular stupid shit that trans-deniers blab
2022-07-19T19:52:18 < jadew> she starts with this: "Firstly: gender + queer archaeologists and scholars have been working for decades to unpack assumptions that archaeologists make about gender and identity, both today and in the past."
2022-07-19T19:52:36 < jadew> meaning that trans activists are indeed trying to change the way remains are identified
2022-07-19T19:53:10 < jadew> there's also this guy at the bottom, proving the point: "One of the first things we learned in 2nd Yr Archaeology was how gender is a social construct....and that was in the mid 2000s"
2022-07-19T19:53:30 < jpa-> why do you think they are activists, if they are just archaeologists working to advance their field of study?
2022-07-19T19:53:30 < jadew> the "social construct" nonsense is just that, nonsense, because everything is a social construct
2022-07-19T19:54:07 < jadew> jpa-, because they're promoting a false ideology
2022-07-19T19:54:08 < jpa-> it just means "don't make assumptions, things can and have changed"
2022-07-19T19:54:27 < jadew> but ok, let's assume they're not, and they just got fooled by it and can't see it
2022-07-19T19:54:35 < jpa-> jadew: so people who are wrong are activists?
2022-07-19T19:54:37 < jadew> that still means that there's change enacted in the world based on that ideology
2022-07-19T19:54:46 < jadew> jpa-, no, I granted you that point
2022-07-19T19:55:35 < jpa-> so what negative change do you think is being enacted?
2022-07-19T19:55:58 < jadew> if they manage to actually change how things are labeled, then that
2022-07-19T19:56:17 < jpa-> and that tweet chain is certainly not trying to change the field of archeology, it is just debunking this "disproving" argument   https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2022/03/26/can-archaeologists-really-disprove-a-transgender-persons-gender-using-their-skeleton/
2022-07-19T19:56:50 < jadew> yeah, the article is indeed twisting it, and kind of reading between the lines
2022-07-19T19:57:01 < jpa-> jadew: do you think that every possible change in skeleton labeling is necessarily negative? or are you just assuming that blindly?
2022-07-19T19:57:36 < jadew> you can come to correct conclusions based on wrong premises, but that's more unlikely and less productive than just working with correct premises
2022-07-19T19:57:53 < jadew> there's no need for garbage in the scientific world
2022-07-19T19:58:41 < jpa-> are you claiming that feelings of "wrong gender" are not an actual human phenomenon that affects the lives of people and has done so in the past also?
2022-07-19T19:58:59 < jadew> I'm not, I believe that is 100% real
2022-07-19T19:59:07 < jadew> but that's called psychosis
2022-07-19T19:59:34 < jpa-> so, do you think that archeologists should for some reason disregard that very real phenomenon in their studies, just because you disagree with some people who have those feelings in modern age?
2022-07-19T19:59:41 < jadew> if I feel like I'm the king of france, it's also called psychosis, it doesn't mean I'm actually the king of france and everyone has to treat me like that
2022-07-19T20:00:21 < jpa-> and if you feel like people of france should be free and decide for themselves instead of being under the rule of a hereditary aristocrasy, are you also crazy?
2022-07-19T20:00:29 < jadew> jpa-, I'm saying it bares no weight when identifying the sex of remains
2022-07-19T20:00:52 < jadew> jpa-, that's a different kind of belief
2022-07-19T20:00:59 < jadew> it's a political one
2022-07-19T20:01:26 < jpa-> yes, exactly like trans-views are
2022-07-19T20:01:35 < jpa-> political, requesting change in laws and behavior of society
2022-07-19T20:01:36 < jadew> no, trans views are about who you believe you are
2022-07-19T20:01:40 < jadew> and that's not for you to say
2022-07-19T20:02:19 < jpa-> uh, you are now trying to deny the right to believe your own self-view?
2022-07-19T20:02:39 < jadew> you have your right to believe your own self-view, but you don't have the right I believe your own self-view
2022-07-19T20:02:48 < jadew> *the right to make me believe
2022-07-19T20:03:37 < jpa-> and have any actual changes required you to do so? or is this just some bad news based on twitter thread that has crumbled your chips again?
2022-07-19T20:04:20 < jpa-> so far the changes are mostly on "you have to threat others like human beings even if you don't agree with their self-view" level
2022-07-19T20:04:26 < jadew> Romania is in the spotlights for it's less than progressive views these days
2022-07-19T20:05:07 < jadew> the changes will be that they will teach this crap to kids in schools
2022-07-19T20:05:48 < jadew> confusing kids, rather than offering them clarity
2022-07-19T20:06:05 < jpa-> is that just your prediction?
2022-07-19T20:06:13 < jadew> I'm already seeing this
2022-07-19T20:06:32 < jpa-> here when i was child, they still taught religion in schools.. confusing as heck, but no permanent harm
2022-07-19T20:07:00 < jpa-> (as in taught "this is how things are", not "this is how some people believe")
2022-07-19T20:07:59 < jadew> that's because religion is tightly tied to our morality as a society, so while not relevant anymore, religion doesn't destroy the social fabric
2022-07-19T20:07:59 < jpa-> if you are worried about the ways things are taught, you might want to argue that point and try to improve the teaching methods in your local area, instead of trying to fight against a worldwide human rights movement
2022-07-19T20:08:36 < jpa-> social fabric has to adapt all the time, stuff like religion forbidding contraception is certainly harmful
2022-07-19T20:08:46 < jadew> I totally agree
2022-07-19T20:09:17 < jadew> and you might be right about pissing against the wind too
2022-07-19T20:09:23 < jadew> but tbh, I'm not trying to fight it
2022-07-19T20:09:47 < jadew> I'm just having a conversation and if things change too much, I don't care
2022-07-19T20:10:03 < jadew> I'll still see things the way they are
2022-07-19T20:10:48 < jpa-> i agree that there are certainly too-extreme sides of the trans rights movement, but typically they don't get that far in the actual legislation.. and after all, in almost any political movement, there are disagreeable parts
2022-07-19T20:11:56 < jpa-> even with binary sex, it is worthwhile not to focus on the gender of people - compare with the way some men see all women as "things to look at" etc.
2022-07-19T20:13:56 < jadew> we're wired to do that tho
2022-07-19T20:14:25 < jadew> time for dinner, ttyl
2022-07-19T20:14:39 < jpa-> that's pretty degrading to men :)
2022-07-19T20:15:16 < jpa-> i believe that most people are able to think non-sex thoughts for most of their daily lives, even without gender segregation
2022-07-19T20:17:00 < jpa-> but i can see how the changes in world can be problematic for some - clothing and nudity are much more relaxed than in 1950s, while sexual harassment is no longer tolerated
2022-07-19T20:17:38 < jpa-> apparently it used to be "ok" to slap a secretary's butt when you got turned out by her knee-length skirt
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2022-07-19T20:30:27 < zyp> Steffanx, indeed, let me know how it works for you
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2022-07-19T20:38:19 < kaki> what did lurencer share this time?
2022-07-19T20:41:08 < BrainDamage> cannibalism, judging from the title, not opening it tho
2022-07-19T20:44:52 < kaki> was it part of indigenous culture?
2022-07-19T20:46:05 < jpa-> it was from lb's home video collection
2022-07-19T20:46:58 < kaki> yes that was another option
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2022-07-19T21:42:45 < kaki> catphish: are there any hybrid builders in EV community?
2022-07-19T21:44:12 < BrainDamage> I'd imagine that'd be rarer since you'd need skillsets for both types of engines
2022-07-19T21:45:18 < kaki> EVs nowdays are pretty much "mix the ingredients and done"
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2022-07-19T21:51:41 < kaki> gs450h transmission in smaller lighter car would allow interesting performance options
2022-07-19T21:52:01 < kaki> first is to keep engine running at peak power
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2022-07-19T21:53:25 < kaki> as transmission ratios are electrical those can be changed virtually instantly
2022-07-19T21:54:00 < kaki> engine can be spooled up to maximum power rpm instantly using momemtum from wheels or electrical power
2022-07-19T22:04:45 < BrainDamage> transmission ratios being electrical? the few hybrid I saw still had the engine bolted to the driveshaft
2022-07-19T22:04:53 < BrainDamage> and electrical being parallel
2022-07-19T22:05:13 < BrainDamage> or do you mean that storage/release effect of the motor gives equivalent to a transmission?
2022-07-19T22:07:58 < kaki> gs450h transmission is "eCVT"
2022-07-19T22:09:44 < kaki> it has multiplate clutch for 2 speed ranges and neutral
2022-07-19T22:10:05 < BrainDamage> oh, cvt
2022-07-19T22:10:37 < kaki> otherwise it's planetary gears and 2 electric motors to vary the ratio
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2022-07-19T22:54:35 < catphish_> car almost finished! just need to re-attach bodyshell!
2022-07-19T22:55:11 < BrainDamage> did body shell detach by itself?
2022-07-19T22:55:16 < catphish_> no
2022-07-19T23:06:28 < qyx> so, time to reconnect my modbuzz
2022-07-19T23:12:11 < Steffanx> Managed to do the write multiple yet?
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2022-07-19T23:18:33 < upgrdman> anyone know of a usb-c/tb dock with 2.5G ethernet?
2022-07-19T23:18:51 < upgrdman> or, well, anything >1G ethernet. 5G or 10G is fine :)
2022-07-19T23:27:27 < qyx> Steffanx: yes it works, great
2022-07-19T23:27:34 < qyx> mbpoll -a 1 -b 115200 -P none -t 4 -0 -r 36867 -s 1 -o 0.2 -1 -R /dev/ttyUSB0 6400 5800 5800 5520 5520 5520 5280 5040 4880 4800 4400 4240
2022-07-19T23:27:37 < qyx> also karlp ^
2022-07-19T23:27:48 < qyx> the charger is accepting the values
2022-07-19T23:34:20 < karlp> great, glad it's working for you :)
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2022-07-20T02:10:33 < machinehum> PaulFertser: I need your help
2022-07-20T02:10:39 < machinehum> wtf is this? https://www.usbdev.ru/files/smi/smimptool/
2022-07-20T02:15:39 < zyp> looks like some shit to fuck around with 16 usb memory sticks at one
2022-07-20T02:15:41 < zyp> once*
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2022-07-20T02:37:15 < machinehum> Yeah I found the English equivalent, it's a vendor specific tool for factory provisioning
2022-07-20T02:40:03 < machinehum> How do you guys think this is powered... In section 1.2 it mentions a 5V/3.3 and 3.3V/1.2V regulators but where is the 3.3V output https://drive.google.com/file/d/193J7YzQjjUc21fYkW3HPsxuHFZjPfM14/view?usp=sharing
2022-07-20T02:40:37 < machinehum> It marks pins 33/34 and power intput/output which doesn't make any sense
2022-07-20T02:41:35 < machinehum> V12_PAD is clearly the 1.2V output which you can use to power Vdd, while VCCAH5 is clearly the 5V input
2022-07-20T02:42:27 < machinehum> Oh I suppose you could bypass the 5V to 3.3 LDO and power straight into the V33_PAD
2022-07-20T02:42:41 < machinehum> Making it somewhat of an input and output
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2022-07-20T09:55:18 < PaulFertser> machinehum: indeed that's a vendor tool to deal with USB flash mass storage devices based on some SMI controllers.
2022-07-20T10:00:14 < PaulFertser> Sometimes those devices need reflashing or NAND reinitialisation to get it out of read-only mode etc.
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2022-07-20T11:53:39 < drzacek> hello 
2022-07-20T11:53:46 < drzacek> I'm back with more dumb questions
2022-07-20T11:54:24 < drzacek> how does the stm32 (L452 in my case) generates it's clock base?
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2022-07-20T11:55:04 < drzacek> I thought, that mcus in generally either need external crystal, and along with internal circuitry they make oscilator, or they can go without and do some slower clock on their own internally
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2022-07-20T11:56:05 < drzacek> am looking at the STM32Cube config, and there is this BYPASS option - how I understand it, it can take the clock signal from extern. Like, not trying to generate it on its own, just take what's already been done. not sure how, either from other mcu? or some special circuitry that does that?
2022-07-20T11:56:27 < jpa-> drzacek: all STM32's have internal oscillator option that can be used without external crystal
2022-07-20T11:56:48 < jpa-> it is not that accurate though, +-1% typically vs. +-0.01% for crystal
2022-07-20T11:57:39 < drzacek> right
2022-07-20T11:57:44 < jpa-> and yes, the bypass is for external oscillator (for example, TCXO chip for very accurate clock)
2022-07-20T11:58:03 < drzacek> I am looking at my nucleo board here, and I think this is crystal, along with load capacitors https://imgur.com/a/gBglfnf
2022-07-20T11:58:14 < jpa-> yeah
2022-07-20T11:58:21 < drzacek> so why is the nucleo project by default configured into BYPASS, instead of external crystal?
2022-07-20T11:58:46 < jpa-> is that crystal near the stlink MCU or for the main MCU?
2022-07-20T11:59:08 < jpa-> some nucleos only have crystal for the stlink and then take output from that and feed it to the main MCU, allows them to save $0.10
2022-07-20T11:59:31 < drzacek> jpa-, yeah, I remember from few months ago when I did some other kicad project - the calculation for the *right* load capacitor values is super complex, and I understood jackshit, then I was told "nah just do it this n this and it will be okayish", so that external calibrated crystal has advantage of being accurate and not having to calculate caps
2022-07-20T11:59:37 < drzacek> but I don't think this is the case here?
2022-07-20T11:59:44 < drzacek> jpa-, main mcu
2022-07-20T12:00:47 < drzacek> but the nucleos are design to crap the board in half and throw st-link away
2022-07-20T12:00:49 < jpa-> in this photo i don't see it https://fi.farnell.com/productimages/large/en_GB/2677824-40.jpg
2022-07-20T12:00:59 < drzacek> not sure why would anyone do that, but they are prepared for that
2022-07-20T12:01:26 < drzacek> https://imgur.com/a/Je33zVG
2022-07-20T12:01:35 < drzacek> hmmm
2022-07-20T12:01:51 < drzacek> I guess yet another diff between l452re and l452re-p
2022-07-20T12:01:58 < jpa-> perhaps cube project is for different version then
2022-07-20T12:02:22 < drzacek> wait, the project I have open is for the -P variant
2022-07-20T12:03:30 < drzacek> wait, this could be 32k crystal, then it's fine
2022-07-20T12:03:37 < jpa-> ah, yeah, it's probably that
2022-07-20T12:03:38 < drzacek> so where does it take it's clock? stlink?
2022-07-20T12:03:42 < jpa-> yes
2022-07-20T12:03:49 < drzacek> what will happen when I break the stlink part away?
2022-07-20T12:03:51 < jpa-> the schematics on ST site show that the 8MHz crystal is not assembled by default
2022-07-20T12:03:57 < jpa-> it won't get external clock
2022-07-20T12:04:04 < drzacek> then it's a dumb design
2022-07-20T12:04:19 < jpa-> meh, if you want that, you can use internal clock or solder on the crystal
2022-07-20T12:04:21 < drzacek> I mean, I don't know why would anyone break it away, but they explicitly say it in docs that it is an option
2022-07-20T12:04:50 < drzacek> well I want to make own pcb and steal that stm32 from the board
2022-07-20T12:05:08 < jpa-> so what do you care?
2022-07-20T12:05:34 < drzacek> just trying to clear some things I stumbled upon
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2022-07-20T12:13:30 < drzacek> I got a comment on my old schematic that says "16:14 < zyp> rule of thumb, C1 and C2 should be 2*Cl minus some for the stray capacitance", I assume it's still valid?
2022-07-20T12:17:36 < jpa-> sure
2022-07-20T12:22:44 < mawk> people would break it away to get a standalone stlink
2022-07-20T12:56:21 < drzacek> mawk, it provides the signals on that 2.54 header too? 
2022-07-20T12:56:32 < drzacek> okay, that's an explanation, ok
2022-07-20T12:56:53 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-20T12:57:04 < mawk> you can also use it as a standalone stlink without breaking away
2022-07-20T12:57:08 < mawk> just remove the two jumpers near the USB port
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2022-07-20T12:57:24 < mawk> it doubles as a usb to serial adapter too
2022-07-20T12:57:29 < mawk> but for that you need to keep the MCU in reset
2022-07-20T12:57:44 < mawk> or make sure nothing is running on the MCU and it doesn't hold the uart pins
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2022-07-20T13:23:39 < benishor> https://neal.fun/absurd-trolley-problems/
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2022-07-20T13:39:27 < drzacek> benishor, nice, kill count 70
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2022-07-20T13:40:29 < drzacek> I dislike the trolley problems. I don't think it reviews the decisions properly - whenever there was unclear situation, morally doubtfull etc, I just decided to do nothing - doint nothing is better than actively trying to do something that might end up being worse
2022-07-20T13:41:09 < drzacek> but it doesn't see "I chose to do nothing", it sees "I decided to kill person X vs Y" which was not the case
2022-07-20T13:41:20 < drzacek> anyways, what do you do with GPIO that are not used?
2022-07-20T13:41:33 < drzacek> do I need to connect them to ground on pcb?
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2022-07-20T13:45:38 < mawk> no
2022-07-20T13:45:51 < mawk> you can leave them disconnected
2022-07-20T13:45:57 < mawk> and put them in analog mode in the code 
2022-07-20T13:46:00 < mawk> to disconnect input buffer
2022-07-20T13:46:32 < drzacek> wont it read some random floating value tho?
2022-07-20T13:46:40 < mawk> why?
2022-07-20T13:46:45 < mawk> are you planning on reading from them?
2022-07-20T13:47:00 < mawk> if you leave them alone in analog mode nothing will happen 
2022-07-20T13:47:44 < mawk> or ground them if you prefer, it doesn't really make a difference 
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2022-07-20T13:49:01 < drzacek> well grounding would make the pcb layout more complex
2022-07-20T13:49:06 < drzacek> a bit
2022-07-20T13:49:30 < drzacek> well I dont intend to read them, but still - wont there be noise?
2022-07-20T13:55:22 < Steffanx> You care about power consumption? If yes, analog input is the best I recall. Otherwise just use Internal pullup/down or set it output something. 
2022-07-20T13:55:57 < Steffanx> Mawk, random question of the day: my pupils are huuuge atm. What drug did I use?
2022-07-20T14:01:24 < jadew> funny trolley problems
2022-07-20T14:01:50 < jadew> 12% of people would rather let someone die than get their amazon package late - I think 12% were trolling
2022-07-20T14:04:51 < mawk> Steffanx maybe mushrooms
2022-07-20T14:04:53 < mawk> if it's analog input the input buffer is disconnected drzacek 
2022-07-20T14:04:55 < mawk> so nothing is reading anything 
2022-07-20T14:04:57 < mawk> so it can be floating no problem
2022-07-20T14:05:20 < mawk> my pupils get so dilated that you can only see black in my eyes when I'm in opiate withdrawal Steffanx 
2022-07-20T14:07:34 < drzacek> ok thx
2022-07-20T14:07:58 < mawk> there is the COWS scale to measure withdrawal 
2022-07-20T14:09:12 < mawk> https://nida.nih.gov/sites/default/files/ClinicalOpiateWithdrawalScale.pdf
2022-07-20T14:09:28 < mawk> I think my highest record is around 40
2022-07-20T14:10:16 < jadew> kill count: 65
2022-07-20T14:10:33 < mawk> the maximum is 49
2022-07-20T14:11:05 < mawk> which is the "please kill me now" state
2022-07-20T14:17:34 < mawk> it's the only time in my life I considered calling the ER
2022-07-20T14:18:01 < mawk> not because it was life threatening, I would've been fine without care, but because it was so painful 
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2022-07-20T14:31:40 < Laurence_b> suppp
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2022-07-20T17:37:13 < Steffanx> Hah no mushrooms mawk. Eye drops from the eye specialist to relax the muscles of the iris. ;)
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2022-07-20T17:39:38 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropine ?
2022-07-20T17:41:25 < drzacek> Steffanx, ouch
2022-07-20T17:41:34 < Steffanx> Something like that yes
2022-07-20T17:42:39 < Steffanx> Not sure if it was exactly that PaulFertser. Was just for some tests.
2022-07-20T17:53:39 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: it's often used to get better view of the retina.
2022-07-20T17:54:28 < Steffanx> Yes
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2022-07-20T23:31:31 < Steffanx> Kaki.
2022-07-20T23:32:00 < kaki> Papa Steff
2022-07-20T23:32:39 < specing> loool
2022-07-20T23:34:52 < Steffanx> No those times are over.
2022-07-20T23:35:39 < Steffanx> Kaki must stand on his own feet now.
2022-07-20T23:35:50 < Steffanx> Two feet*
2022-07-20T23:36:03 < kaki> yes
2022-07-20T23:42:18 < ds2> does anyone know any legitimate users of digital cesspol?
2022-07-20T23:44:01 < Steffanx> The what?
2022-07-20T23:44:25 < ds2> it is an ISP that seems to do nothing but source script kiddies
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2022-07-20T23:58:47 < BrainDamage> digital oceaon
2022-07-20T23:58:50 < BrainDamage> ocean*
2022-07-20T23:59:13 < BrainDamage> it scrapes the bottom of the barrel because it's cheap
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2022-07-21T00:02:27 < karlp> but still plenty of people using it.
2022-07-21T00:09:27 < mouseghost> BrainDamage, its expensive
2022-07-21T00:12:50 < karlp> compard to what?
2022-07-21T00:15:48 < mouseghost> vultr
2022-07-21T00:15:57 < mouseghost> hetzner
2022-07-21T00:27:02 < karlp> not by any meaningful amount...
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2022-07-21T00:49:43 < Mangy_Dog> https://twitter.com/MD_Builds/status/1549873373169205251
2022-07-21T01:04:53 < sauce> think DO is the best cheap IaaS vendor for some regions specifically
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2022-07-21T01:26:13 < ds2> are there any legitimate users of the cesspool? seems like they have scriptkiddies coming out of every single block assigned to them
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2022-07-21T02:27:08 < karlp> of course there are.  every IAAS has abusers out their ears.
2022-07-21T02:33:07 < catphish_> pretty hard to run IAAS without doing battle with spammers :(
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2022-07-21T21:30:00 < kaki> https://youtube.com/shorts/77WhhaY08CQ?feature=share
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2022-07-21T21:53:02 < Laurence_b> sup trolls
2022-07-21T21:58:09 < Laurence_b> https://i.imgur.com/NUCoZHC.jpeg
2022-07-21T21:58:42 < Laurence_b> hyperloop traction motor
2022-07-21T21:58:55 < jadew> is that project still going on?
2022-07-21T21:59:07 < jadew> how far are you from a working product?
2022-07-21T21:59:52 < Laurence_b> many years at this rate lol
2022-07-21T22:00:01 < Laurence_b> have one wheel partially assembled
2022-07-21T22:00:20 < jadew> oh, I thought that came off of a working prototype
2022-07-21T22:00:43 < Laurence_b> there is a working prototype but it doesnt use close to realistic hardware
2022-07-21T22:00:49 < Laurence_b> that wheel is the real deal
2022-07-21T22:02:51 < Laurence_b> four of those per vehicle, thats over 5tonnes O_o
2022-07-21T22:04:21 < kaki> yeah
2022-07-21T22:04:49 < kaki> train wheels even without motors are like 1ton per axle or something
2022-07-21T22:05:12 < kaki> including the axle I guess
2022-07-21T22:07:14 < BrainDamage> are your non motor axles welded?
2022-07-21T22:14:07 < englishman> why does hyperloop need any traction at all, i thought it was to be pushed along by a pressure differential accelerating it perpetually into a frictionless vacuum at the speed of light
2022-07-21T22:14:26 < englishman> until you go back in time and arrive at your destination before you departed
2022-07-21T22:16:32 < Laurence_b> BrainDamage: LN2 cooled then pushed into the middle of the wheel
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2022-07-21T22:33:29 < kaki> Laurence_b: is that bespoke drive unit?
2022-07-21T22:33:52 < kaki> or is it some high speed rail standard unit?
2022-07-21T22:34:29 < BrainDamage> literal spoke
2022-07-21T22:46:15 < Laurence_b> kaki: custom drive unit
2022-07-21T22:46:44 < Laurence_b> conventional railway has pairs of wheels on a single solid axel
2022-07-21T22:46:49 < kaki> yes
2022-07-21T22:46:56 < kaki> even in high speed rail?
2022-07-21T22:46:59 < Laurence_b> yeah
2022-07-21T22:47:16 < Laurence_b> this is more like a car but uses differential torque for steering
2022-07-21T22:49:00 < kaki> that is unique right?
2022-07-21T22:49:25 < kaki> all the trains before this have had passive steering?
2022-07-21T22:52:45 < BrainDamage> actually here conventional rail has distributed traction on the wheels
2022-07-21T22:53:17 < BrainDamage> while high speed instead is on two locomotors
2022-07-21T22:53:32 < kaki> interesting
2022-07-21T22:54:25 < kaki> Laurence_b: how is car structure? 2 bogies per car and 2 axles per bogie?
2022-07-21T22:54:32 < Laurence_b> no
2022-07-21T22:54:38 < Laurence_b> just two axels
2022-07-21T22:54:44 < Laurence_b> no bogies
2022-07-21T22:55:02 < kaki> articulating in which directions?
2022-07-21T22:55:37 < Laurence_b> they are two axis hinged with various suspension springs/dampers
2022-07-21T22:56:22 < kaki> what if motor on other side fails?
2022-07-21T22:56:36 < kaki> highest speed train derailment in history?
2022-07-21T22:57:25 < kaki> any limiting mechanisms for steering?
2022-07-21T22:57:37 < kaki> hard stops, dampeners?
2022-07-21T22:58:34 < kaki> adjustable stops?
2022-07-21T23:00:11 < kaki> I imagine at low speed part of tracks there can be tighter turns while on high speed parts there is only very gradual turns
2022-07-21T23:00:21 < kaki> unless the track is 100% high speed
2022-07-21T23:08:09 < Laurence_b> lol
2022-07-21T23:08:16 < Laurence_b> yeah bad news if one motor fails
2022-07-21T23:08:45 < Laurence_b> flanges should keep it on the track, also the motor is triple redundant, other two invertors could ramp up
2022-07-21T23:11:11 < BrainDamage> if it fails locked,is the friction coefficient sufficiently low to allow the rest to compensate?
2022-07-21T23:11:37 < BrainDamage> even just to spun down to a safe stop
2022-07-21T23:12:45 < Laurence_b> yeah there are lots of safe modes
2022-07-21T23:13:07 < Laurence_b> you mean if a wheel locks up completely?
2022-07-21T23:13:25 < Laurence_b> yeah that would be bad, its supposed to avoid that in software/hardware
2022-07-21T23:14:49 < BrainDamage> yes, complete wheel lock
2022-07-21T23:14:58 < BrainDamage> like it melts in place on the hub
2022-07-21T23:15:20 < BrainDamage> which, given the power levels, it's not unrealistic
2022-07-21T23:15:27 < kaki> are there bearing monitors on drive units?
2022-07-21T23:15:30 < Laurence_b> should be impossible at speed
2022-07-21T23:15:34 < Laurence_b> kaki: yeah
2022-07-21T23:15:55 < kaki> temperature, vibration?
2022-07-21T23:22:53 < Laurence_b> probably, yeah
2022-07-21T23:23:11 < Laurence_b> also commutator on the end of the stub axel to take off the DC power
2022-07-21T23:23:33 < kaki> ah ofc
2022-07-21T23:23:48 < kaki> heck that needs to work fine too
2022-07-21T23:24:07 < kaki> you don't want that current in the bearings
2022-07-21T23:24:26 < kaki> causing electric pitting
2022-07-21T23:25:34 < kaki> dc circuit isolated though?
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2022-07-21T23:26:27 < kaki> drive unit isolated?
2022-07-21T23:26:42 < Laurence_b> no - vehicle "ground" is tied to midpoint of the +-DC off the rails through some large resistors
2022-07-21T23:27:51 < Laurence_b> it has some similarities with london underground, but 2 rails not 4
2022-07-21T23:28:15 < Laurence_b> I'm using a scrap london underground substation for a prototype
2022-07-21T23:29:15 < kaki> it has airwire?
2022-07-21T23:29:33 < kaki> your train
2022-07-21T23:30:25 < Laurence_b> no, power down the rails
2022-07-21T23:30:35 < Laurence_b> as it has stub axels its possible to do that
2022-07-21T23:35:49 < kaki> one rail is like 0 and another one is like 25kV?
2022-07-21T23:38:05 < kaki> 4kV?
2022-07-21T23:38:56 < kaki> better not have any accesories hanging under the train
2022-07-21T23:39:35 < Laurence_b> +-4kV or so
2022-07-21T23:42:00 < kaki> how is rail electric safety?
2022-07-21T23:42:10 < kaki> sections are switched ofc
2022-07-21T23:43:09 < kaki> generally harder to transpass to rail area?
2022-07-21T23:43:21 < Laurence_b> its in a hypertunnel / trespass protected zone
2022-07-21T23:43:21 < kaki> no road intersections?
2022-07-21T23:43:39 < Laurence_b> no chance, cant have level crossings with 500kph vacuum tunnel lol
2022-07-21T23:43:46 < kaki> :o
2022-07-21T23:43:52 < kaki> :O
2022-07-21T23:44:09 < kaki> it's really going into the tunnel
2022-07-21T23:44:10 < qyx> isn't one musk enough?
2022-07-21T23:44:54 < qyx> I am still waiting for the vienna-bratislava hyperloop he promised
2022-07-21T23:45:24 < kaki> has musk build anything but a 500meter gas pipe?
2022-07-21T23:45:24 < Laurence_b> this is the low tech mine cart in sewer tunnel implimentation
2022-07-21T23:47:01 < kaki> is that reference to some musk memeing?
2022-07-21T23:47:15 < zyp> heh, I'm dicking around with putting protonium on embedded and it was overflowing flash by 40k just by being included, not calling anything
2022-07-21T23:47:41 < zyp> turns out I forgot an «#include <iostream>» somewhere in there after doing some printf-style debugging
2022-07-21T23:47:44 < kaki> zyp: but it wasn't inteded for embedded!
2022-07-21T23:47:45 < Laurence_b> kaki: I redesigned the original hyperloop to be actually practical
2022-07-21T23:47:58 < zyp> kaki, it was
2022-07-21T23:49:21 < kaki> Laurence_b: are you like undercover boss?
2022-07-21T23:49:24 < Laurence_b> kaki: it basically looked like this thing I'm now building
2022-07-21T23:49:48 < Laurence_b> lol no I was hired to help build this thing as I had some similar ideas independently
2022-07-21T23:51:16 < kaki> ah
2022-07-21T23:52:48 < Laurence_b> turns out that just the traction motors and traction control is very hard
2022-07-21T23:53:35 < kaki> if you ever run it on open air
2022-07-21T23:53:47 < kaki> leafs are wicked slippery
2022-07-21T23:54:43 < kaki> it sounds like meme every time when there is announcement that we are running 2hours late because there is leafs on the track
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2022-07-22T00:01:04 < specing> Laurence_b: why does it need traction? Doesen't it float on Musk's words?
2022-07-22T00:01:48 < Laurence_b> lol specing
2022-07-22T00:02:15 < kaki> Laurence_b is actually competitor of musks hyperpoop.. or is he?
2022-07-22T00:03:13 < BrainDamage> at least until musk buys the company he works in
2022-07-22T00:03:40 < specing> Musk buying a company? please..
2022-07-22T00:03:48 < kaki> Laurence_b = Musk
2022-07-22T00:04:58 < mawk> Elon Blaxter
2022-07-22T00:05:04 < kaki> :D
2022-07-22T00:08:41 < jadew> comment on an opensource bug report: "would be nice to know how is life of the bug report opener. Is he still alive? Is he actually still using MySQL?"
2022-07-22T00:08:51 < jadew> that's because the bug was 14 years old at that point
2022-07-22T00:09:05 < jadew> it's 17 now
2022-07-22T00:09:43 < jadew> guy answered, he's well
2022-07-22T00:09:59 < jadew> lmfao: "This bug is older than me"
2022-07-22T00:10:38 < jadew> "I was in kindergarten when this bug was reported. Now I'm in 2nd year of my bachelor's degree in computer science."
2022-07-22T00:15:24 < Laurence_b> http://pastie.org/p/05AdmeBwNqcSLrkbiQeoMU
2022-07-22T00:15:34 < Laurence_b> this code should restack an array right
2022-07-22T00:15:43 < Laurence_b> hmm maybe I could just use memmove
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2022-07-22T00:22:03 < mawk> restack?
2022-07-22T00:22:19 < mawk> why do you write code like this Laurence_b ...
2022-07-22T00:22:33 < mawk> at least use auto formatting if you can't write good looking code by yourself 
2022-07-22T00:23:22 < Laurence_b> http://pastie.org/p/50DPhbTFdRffaazFDYKIpY
2022-07-22T00:23:27 < mawk> use memmove yes 
2022-07-22T00:23:28 < Laurence_b> I think thats equivalent
2022-07-22T00:23:54 < jadew> why is it saying not found
2022-07-22T00:24:16 < mawk> yeah Laurence_b 
2022-07-22T00:25:01 < Laurence_b> weirdly sometimes it fails, I think maybe a buffer overflow is corrupting memory
2022-07-22T00:25:30 < mawk> use valgrind Laurence_b 
2022-07-22T00:25:36 < Laurence_b> hmm nice plan
2022-07-22T00:25:37 < mawk> it will immediately tell you what's wrong
2022-07-22T00:25:45 < mawk> valgrind ./yourprogram
2022-07-22T00:25:48 < mawk> very easy to run
2022-07-22T00:25:49 < Laurence_b> it would fail if n was overwritten
2022-07-22T00:26:00 < Laurence_b> yeah problem is this happens about once every 2 days
2022-07-22T00:26:10 < mawk> even if it doesn't crash it will tell you
2022-07-22T00:26:34 < mawk> compilers insert "buffer" memory between variables to guard against off by one errors and not crash
2022-07-22T00:26:40 < mawk> but valgrind will still pick it up
2022-07-22T00:26:46 < Laurence_b> interesting, thanks
2022-07-22T00:27:02 < Laurence_b> I should probably check code between where n is set and this code
2022-07-22T00:27:14 < Laurence_b> maybe its calling something that overflows
2022-07-22T00:28:33 < Laurence_b> no sign that the vars array is ever corrupted, but thats on heap not stack
2022-07-22T00:29:13 < Laurence_b> sometimes the insertion happens in the wrong place, suggesting n is corrupted
2022-07-22T00:31:02  * Laurence_b was given task of writing embedded lunix code that would turn off every evening, but it turns out expected uptime is >2years
2022-07-22T00:32:37 < Laurence_b> looks like reliability needs to be improved a bit
2022-07-22T00:33:15 < BrainDamage> make it be able to run in parallel and launch a new instance every 12h
2022-07-22T00:33:32 < karlp> 21:26 <mawk> compilers insert "buffer" memory between variables to guard against off by one errors and not crash [CITATION NEEDED]
2022-07-22T00:51:29 < Laurence_b> >someone tried to seal an o-ring against the laser cut edge of a steel part
2022-07-22T00:51:37 < Laurence_b> lol no wonder motor is leaking coolant
2022-07-22T00:53:02 < Laurence_b> maybe I could use a slot cutter bit in a handheld drill if I have very steady hands
2022-07-22T00:53:14 < Laurence_b> to get a smooth sealing surface
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2022-07-22T01:34:15 < Laurence_b> can realloc allocate new memory with a fresh base address?
2022-07-22T01:37:00 < Laurence_b> oh sheeet of course it does
2022-07-22T01:37:12 < Laurence_b> memory corruption probably arises there
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2022-07-22T02:27:55 < Mangy_Dog> https://imgur.com/gallery/DORTubQ
2022-07-22T02:30:16 < Laurence_b> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontier_(supercomputer)#/media/File:Frontier_Supercomputer_(2).jpg
2022-07-22T02:30:24 < Laurence_b> power cables look hyperloop invertor tier
2022-07-22T02:31:07 < Laurence_b> woah nice work
2022-07-22T02:31:13 < Laurence_b> whats the gui written in?
2022-07-22T02:31:38 < Mangy_Dog> c++/stripped opengl that the eve ft810 chip uses
2022-07-22T02:32:00 < Mangy_Dog> host mcu is stm32f103
2022-07-22T02:32:04 < Mangy_Dog> umm
2022-07-22T02:32:08 < Mangy_Dog> hardware mcu that is
2022-07-22T02:32:10 < Mangy_Dog> host is pc :D
2022-07-22T02:32:28 < Laurence_b> oh its standalone?
2022-07-22T02:32:39 < Laurence_b> looked like a desktop gui
2022-07-22T02:32:45 < Mangy_Dog> yeah standalone ahrdware
2022-07-22T02:32:52 < Mangy_Dog> not just an external display
2022-07-22T02:32:53 < Laurence_b> eve ft810 - seen that before
2022-07-22T02:33:05 < Mangy_Dog> i use it on my tricorder
2022-07-22T02:34:39 < Laurence_b> https://ugfx.io/index
2022-07-22T02:34:47 < Laurence_b> Tectu developed this ^
2022-07-22T02:35:27 < Mangy_Dog> ohh ive seen that
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2022-07-22T12:10:57 < mawk> karlp: the compiler inserts a redzone around the stack so that you can use memory without changing the stack pointer, preventing crashes
2022-07-22T12:11:02 < mawk> but you're right it's not really what I meant
2022-07-22T12:11:20 < mawk> I meant that valgrind and other tools modify malloc so that each allocation has some space around it so that off-by-one errors don't crash, but can be detected
2022-07-22T12:11:30 < mawk> still called a redzone
2022-07-22T12:11:51 < mawk> google's addresssanitizer does the same, it allocates extra memory left and right of every malloc() invocation, painting it with a specific pattern
2022-07-22T12:12:01 < mawk> to detect overflow
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2022-07-22T13:11:23 < karlp> "when I use special tooling, special things happen" isn't really wha tyou said though :)
2022-07-22T13:11:57 < karlp> those tools are _amaze_ but imaginging that you have those protections "from the compiler" out of thebox is wild :)
2022-07-22T13:12:00 < mawk> well the redzone is in all compilers
2022-07-22T13:12:05 < mawk> it's just around the whole stack
2022-07-22T13:12:11 < mawk> not around each var like I said
2022-07-22T13:12:45 < mawk> give -mno-redzone to gcc to disable it
2022-07-22T13:13:19 < karlp> yeah, the "around every var" was what I was complaining about
2022-07-22T13:14:01 < karlp> also, stack redlining is a libc feature, not a copiler feature.
2022-07-22T13:14:20 < karlp> look at hte channel you're in... you sure as shit don't get any sort of stack protection with arm-none-eabi-gcc....
2022-07-22T13:19:00 < jpa-> karlp: -fstack-protector does work with arm-none-eabi-gcc, i think: https://godbolt.org/z/dWKbYsK3h
2022-07-22T13:19:35 < karlp> neat, still not standard :)
2022-07-22T13:19:42 < jpa-> but it is pretty limited in what it protects against
2022-07-22T13:19:54 < karlp> redzones are still libc stuff I thought though?
2022-07-22T13:20:04 < jpa-> i thought redzone is just a term
2022-07-22T13:20:43 < jpa-> the stack protector is not redzone, though
2022-07-22T13:21:05 < jpa-> but on platforms where ABI mandates redzone, i think it is usually implemented by compiler
2022-07-22T13:21:58 < karlp> ok, point to mawk, 
2022-07-22T13:22:19 < karlp> still no space between variables inserted by the compiler to keep you safe, that was wild.
2022-07-22T13:22:58 < zyp> you could use -fdata-sections and have the linker pad out every data section
2022-07-22T13:23:24 < mawk> gcc calls it redzone jpa- 
2022-07-22T13:23:31 < mawk> see -mno-redzone
2022-07-22T13:23:41 < mawk> asan call their own stuff redzone as well
2022-07-22T13:23:49 < mawk> they co-opted the term I guess 
2022-07-22T13:24:19 < mawk> it's in the x86_64 abi yeah
2022-07-22T13:25:39 < karlp> zyp: that doens't pad anything though, beyond any alignment issues?
2022-07-22T13:26:00 < karlp> you don't get "+1" to your arrays too allow for off by ones... which was the original claim
2022-07-22T13:26:54 < zyp> by the way, I'd like to define some c++ concepts (i.e. interfaces) like AsyncByteSource, AsyncByteSink, AsyncPacketSource and AsyncPacketSink to be able to make building blocks with consistent interfaces
2022-07-22T13:27:38 < zyp> the byte ones are easy, it's just async<> put(uint8_t) and async<uint8_t> get();
2022-07-22T13:27:52 < jpa-> mawk: -mno-red-zone is about the ABI redzone that does nothing to protect stack, it is just temp storage space
2022-07-22T13:28:21 < mawk> yeah it's not a protector jpa- 
2022-07-22T13:28:27 < mawk> it's just unallocated storage 
2022-07-22T13:28:33 < zyp> and packet sink is easy too, it's async<> write(std::span<uint8_t>) (i.e. caller retains buffer ownership and is responsible for keeping it alive until function returns)
2022-07-22T13:28:55 < zyp> but I'm a bit unsure how to handle packet source
2022-07-22T13:30:28 < zyp> the most reasonable option seems to be something like async<std::span<uint8_t>> read(std::span<uint8_t>), i.e. pass in an empty buffer, get back a span to the filled part of the buffer
2022-07-22T13:31:32 < zyp> which is fairly similar to how fread() takes ptr and size and returns number of read bytes
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2022-07-22T14:26:52 < drzacek> hello again
2022-07-22T14:27:02 < drzacek> I am back with more noob questions
2022-07-22T14:27:33 < drzacek> am trying to read analog values and having trouble finding answers how to do that
2022-07-22T14:28:37 < drzacek> I AM using hal and stm32cubeide. I can't find a way to read only one PIN/ADC Channel. in fact, none of the adc functions from hal have channel as parameter
2022-07-22T14:29:36 < drzacek> so it seems to me it reads all the analog channels, always. but then I would expect some array, struct, register with all the values
2022-07-22T14:29:39 < drzacek> or am I missing something?
2022-07-22T14:31:03 < jpa-> you first configure the channel, before starting the conversion
2022-07-22T14:31:10 < jpa-> i don't speak hal/cube so can't provide details
2022-07-22T14:49:02 < Steffann> No one dares to admit they speak stm32 hal/cube
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2022-07-22T18:02:36 < catphish> so my car is now road legal and it's been for a drive, but i have a significant battery problem :( one of the cell voltages is way out https://i.imgur.com/r0a7Qa6.png
2022-07-22T18:02:55 < catphish> don't know if it's a bad sensor or a bad cell
2022-07-22T18:09:54 < srk> wow that was fast, nice
2022-07-22T18:12:06 < srk> was it on dyno as well?
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2022-07-22T18:37:00 < kaki> I have never used cube
2022-07-22T18:41:43 < catphish> srk: no dyno, no
2022-07-22T18:42:03 < catphish> kaki: missed box news again by moments
2022-07-22T18:42:47 < kaki> box now
2022-07-22T18:42:50 < kaki> now
2022-07-22T18:43:04 < catphish> car is now road legal and it's been for a  proper drive, but i have a significant battery problem :( one of the cell voltages is way out https://i.imgur.com/r0a7Qa6.png
2022-07-22T18:43:44 < catphish> don't know if this is bad cell or bad measurement, but to find out i have to remove rear bodyshell and open up battery box, which is annoying
2022-07-22T18:46:49 < kaki> is that after driving or after charging?
2022-07-22T18:46:52 < kaki> or during?
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2022-07-22T18:49:18 < catphish> the rest of the pack is about 60% charged
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2022-07-22T18:50:50 < kaki> when did that happen?
2022-07-22T18:51:00 < kaki> was it okay before?
2022-07-22T18:51:17 < catphish> the rest of the pack was (when i measure it) at around 3.88V, but this one cell is at 3.62V, that's a substantial mismatch, and no, it's always been like that, i just missed it before
2022-07-22T18:51:40 < catphish> this is how the batteries came to me
2022-07-22T18:52:04 < catphish> i find it hard to believe it's simply "unbalanced", such a huge error in just a single cell has to be a failure
2022-07-22T18:52:25 < catphish> either a failure of the cell itself, or a failure in measuring it
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2022-07-22T19:49:38 < jpa-> depending on how long it has been sitting, could be just slightly higher self-discharge
2022-07-22T19:58:45 < catphish> well that's essentially my concern, the problem is that it's not "slight", 3.88V is around 70% charge, where 3.62V is around 40%, for a single cell to be that self-dischanged would imply a fault with it
2022-07-22T19:59:13 < catphish> all the others are within about 20mV
2022-07-22T20:01:34 < jpa-> that depends totally on how long it has been sitting since the last charge
2022-07-22T20:02:00 < jpa-> it's worse than other cells certainly, but not necessarily to "fault" degree
2022-07-22T20:04:29 < kaki> catphish: maybe it's the cell you did balancing test to?
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2022-07-23T13:11:35 < catphish> kaki: i definitely think that one cell being mysteriously discharged 25% constitutes a fault
2022-07-23T13:13:04 < catphish> either it's being mis-read by the BMS, or it's dramatically chemically different from all the others
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2022-07-23T13:13:54 < catphish> brb
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2022-07-23T13:21:41 < Steffann> Maybe it wants to be different. Don't tell jade w 
2022-07-23T13:45:24 < catphish> lol
2022-07-23T13:52:03 < kaki> can you access individual cells?
2022-07-23T13:55:02 < catphish> yes
2022-07-23T13:55:35 < catphish> well, i think so, perhaps not easily
2022-07-23T13:57:38 < kaki> you could just do full charge
2022-07-23T13:57:51 < kaki> then discharge
2022-07-23T13:57:53 < catphish> i can definitely measure modules of 16 cells though, a difference of 260mV should show up fairly clearly even if i only measure a block of 16 cells
2022-07-23T13:58:24 < catphish> i'm not sure how doing a full charge then discharge helps
2022-07-23T13:58:54 < catphish> no matter what state of charge i'm at, this one cell is going to be lower
2022-07-23T14:01:45 < catphish> i can do a few checks quite easily: 1) compare the voltage of the problematic module to all the other modules, if it's clearly 250mV lower, then i know it's a cell problem 2) replace the BMS, if the difference goes away, i know it's a BMS problem
2022-07-23T14:02:15 < catphish> of course it would be even better if i can just measure the individual cells with a multimeter, so will do that if i can
2022-07-23T14:02:53 < catphish> regardless of anything else, i always have the nuclear option of just replacing the battery module
2022-07-23T14:03:52 < kaki> you could "borrow" one from that one friend
2022-07-23T14:08:11 < catphish> nah, i have a spare one from the same original group
2022-07-23T14:08:47 < catphish> so if i have any doubts about the cell itself i can just swap it out
2022-07-23T14:09:26 < catphish> the only problem is that getting them out is a huge hassle!
2022-07-23T14:09:56 < catphish> though i know the process so hopefully i can do it within a day
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2022-07-23T19:31:09 < Laurence_b> suppp
2022-07-23T19:31:19 < Laurence_b> the absolute state of simulink
2022-07-23T19:31:40 < Laurence_b> >invertor not working >nobody can fix it >current sensor data is junk
2022-07-23T19:32:00 < Laurence_b> it was rounding errors in the proprietary Ti blocks the whole time
2022-07-23T19:32:13 < Laurence_b> hypercrew were stuck with this for weeks
2022-07-23T19:48:15 < catphish> i tried simulink, never really found it to be very useful for anything, but clearly it is and i just don't know how to use it very well :)
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2022-07-23T20:04:56 < BrainDamage> it's mostly if you have an hardon for mathematical modeling
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2022-07-23T21:21:39 < zyp> catphish, my take on it is that it's programming for non-programmers
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2022-07-24T00:28:44 < qyx> isn't that labview
2022-07-24T00:36:16 < zyp> indeed
2022-07-24T00:36:37 < zyp> simulink and labview belongs in the same category
2022-07-24T00:46:11 < qyx> my last serious employer said labview is totally different
2022-07-24T00:46:34 < qyx> he also said other things.
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2022-07-24T00:57:13 < catphish_> someone wants me to learn labview and do work on it
2022-07-24T00:57:18 < catphish_> this seems unwise
2022-07-24T01:06:14 < Steffann> Maybe you'll love it
2022-07-24T01:07:34 < Steffann> Unlikely but...
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2022-07-24T20:41:43 < Laurence_b> sheeet
2022-07-24T20:41:45 < Laurence_b> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/COPPER-AMORPHOUS-BRAZING-FOIL-WELDING-STRIP_841617308.html
2022-07-24T20:41:53 < Laurence_b> china delivers the goods yet again
2022-07-24T20:58:55 < catphish_> nice strip
2022-07-24T21:36:46 < kaki> morgon
2022-07-24T21:37:26 < kaki> catphish: box now
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2022-07-24T21:41:17 < kaki> box
2022-07-24T22:24:50 < catphish_> kaki: haven't done anything over weekend, back on it tomorrow
2022-07-24T22:25:06 < catphish_> tomorrow's job is to disassemble rear of car, pull open box, and debug bad cell
2022-07-24T22:25:47 < catphish_> best case scenario, i get that fixed, and get the car finished tomorrow, more likely it takes tomorrow and wednesday
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2022-07-25T09:36:06 < jpa-> https://thenewstack.io/google-launches-carbon-an-experimental-replacement-for-c/    looks like they just invent new syntax for fun
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2022-07-25T09:37:38 < jpa-> seems they could have just made a fork of C++, removing outdated stuff and adding new but keeping same syntax for most part
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2022-07-25T11:48:07 < jpa-> zyp: hmm, am i reading correctly that no UART mode SWO support yet?
2022-07-25T11:48:50 < jpa-> ah, yes, i am
2022-07-25T11:53:15 < jpa-> such a typical monday
2022-07-25T11:53:28 < jpa-> return from vacation, stlink no longer works
2022-07-25T11:54:59 < jpa-> other devs on the project don't have orbtrace so can't switch to manchester.. i guess i'll have to wire up to usb-usart-adapter
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2022-07-25T12:03:57 < zyp> jpa-, can't switch? can't you just poke the mode bit in the debugger?
2022-07-25T12:04:21 < jpa-> hmm.. true
2022-07-25T12:04:36 < jpa-> i forgot that i can write to registers, seems like it was a good vacation
2022-07-25T12:08:58 < zyp> it's prepared for adding UART mode as well, just need to implement the decoder itself
2022-07-25T12:09:57 < zyp> but we didn't prioritize that since autobauding manchester mode seems more convenient
2022-07-25T12:22:45 < jpa-> true, though autobauding UART should be quite possible also
2022-07-25T12:23:03 < jpa-> but yeah, flipping the mode through debugger should work fine
2022-07-25T12:44:01 < zyp> in other news, I ported my protobuf rpc shit to embedded the other day, just had to add an appropriate transport: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/SVAI7
2022-07-25T12:45:15 < zyp> still needs a bit of optimization, it's still using std::vector a couple of places, but it's working fine
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2022-07-25T13:33:33 < jpa-> zyp: i'm trying to follow https://orbcode.org/orbtrace/using-single-wire-output-when-parallel-trace-isnt-available/ but i'm having trouble finding "orbtrace" binary with -T m switch supported; the one from https://github.com/orbcode/orbuculum doesn't seem to have it
2022-07-25T14:04:57 < karlp> oh, they "unified" all the command options, I'm guessing some docs didn't get updated :|
2022-07-25T14:06:16 < jpa-> karlp: is it that way around? the blog post appears more recent than latest orbuculum commit
2022-07-25T14:06:51 < jpa-> ah, Devel branch
2022-07-25T14:09:02 < qyx> you got gitflowed
2022-07-25T14:09:33 < jpa-> i think my brain has rotten in past month, maybe it is time to retire
2022-07-25T14:09:54 < qyx> isn't it too soon?
2022-07-25T14:11:09 < qyx> unrealted, does any of stm32 pros use onsen.io?
2022-07-25T14:17:22 < jpa-> zyp: ok, i can confirm that SWO in manchester mode works & autobauds nicely
2022-07-25T15:06:10 < zyp> nice, what speed?
2022-07-25T15:07:57 < jpa-> just basic 2MHz so far
2022-07-25T15:08:21 < zyp> 2Mbaud or 2Mb/s?
2022-07-25T15:08:40 < jpa-> i don't know! it was 2Mbps UART before i flipped the bit
2022-07-25T15:08:48 < zyp> then 2Mbaud
2022-07-25T15:09:15 < zyp> when orbtrace advertises 48 Mb/s, that's 96 Mbaud :)
2022-07-25T15:09:30 < jpa-> hmm, so manchester divides? so UART could potentially have double the speed
2022-07-25T15:09:38 < zyp> indeed
2022-07-25T15:10:05 < zyp> well, not double, uart has 20% overhead, manchester has 50%
2022-07-25T15:10:10 < jpa-> hmm, true
2022-07-25T15:11:31 < zyp> how fast we can decode in practice depends how little oversampling we can get away with
2022-07-25T15:12:17 < zyp> we're sampling at 500 MHz and the autobauding manchester decoder works from >5x
2022-07-25T15:15:10 < zyp> at 8x oversampling, actual UART throughput would be comparable to manchester at 5x, so we'd need to beat that for UART mode to have a speed benefit
2022-07-25T15:17:47 < jpa-> true
2022-07-25T15:31:55 < GenTooMan> and people wonder why they invented synchronise communication protocols with parity bits. :D
2022-07-25T15:32:48 < GenTooMan> 4/5 encoding might be a bit denser than a UART however.
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2022-07-25T16:11:22 < Laurence_b> sup
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2022-07-25T16:11:53  * Laurence_b is getting confused by bash
2022-07-25T16:11:57 < Laurence_b>  -49 - -49dBm
2022-07-25T16:12:14 < Laurence_b> is output by this line:  sig=$(echo -e "$icom" | tr : \\n | tr ';' \\n | grep "Channel 0" -A 2 | grep " int8_t" -A 1 | grep -v " int8_t" | cut -b 2- | cut -d " " -f 1 )
2022-07-25T16:12:32 < Laurence_b> final cut should delimit at spaces right?
2022-07-25T16:14:52 < jpa-> dump it to file to check that it is not some special space character
2022-07-25T16:15:50 < Laurence_b> maybe there is newline? How does echo -n handle newline in string?
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2022-07-25T16:18:26 < Laurence_b> ah yeah thats the problem
2022-07-25T16:25:06 < PaulFertser> Laurence_b: why do you have to participate in the shell faggotry?
2022-07-25T16:31:49 < PaulFertser> btw, echo -n isn't portable, POSIX suggests to use printf at all times where echo is used.
2022-07-25T16:33:16 < Laurence_b> ok
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2022-07-25T20:38:06 < machinehum> hi
2022-07-25T20:39:44 < Steffann> Lo
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2022-07-25T21:41:20 < zyp> GenTooMan, well, if you think swo is too slow, you can go with parallel trace
2022-07-25T21:41:51 < zyp> in which case the bottleneck is the USB interface
2022-07-25T22:00:39 < mawk> ublox documentation is so annoying
2022-07-25T22:01:10 < mawk> lots of values with the wrong range defined in the doc
2022-07-25T22:01:22 < mawk> how am I supposed to know how to parse the values if I don't know in which range they are
2022-07-25T22:01:40 < mawk> I'm supposed to write some piece of code to send back to the mother ship all signal quality info
2022-07-25T22:08:53 < Steffann> Contact the blox. They are swiss they deliver QUALITY support. Ask tct he knows
2022-07-25T22:12:32 < mawk> we can't contact directly 
2022-07-25T22:12:37 < mawk> we need to go through the supplier
2022-07-25T22:12:44 < mawk> which always quotes back the doc
2022-07-25T22:12:45 < mawk> so useless 
2022-07-25T22:12:55 < mawk> then we have to insist and he transfers to ublox
2022-07-25T22:13:01 < mawk> and then we wait a month
2022-07-25T22:13:11 < mawk> or more, depending if they have to transfer to R&D
2022-07-25T22:14:35 < Steffann> Who's your supplier? Batenburg blabla?
2022-07-25T22:14:55 < Steffann> Adelco whatever their name is
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2022-07-25T22:21:48 < kaki> hello early
2022-07-25T22:22:10 < kaki> box news now
2022-07-25T22:24:01 < Steffanx> no, today its ublox. not box.
2022-07-25T22:27:06 < kaki> okay
2022-07-25T22:27:16 < kaki> laurence: train now
2022-07-25T22:28:05 < kaki> Steffanx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_8yRH2KPVo musics
2022-07-25T22:29:23 < Steffanx> lol i like the "what people watched" in the timeline thingy. 
2022-07-25T22:30:57 < kaki> what you have there?
2022-07-25T22:31:53 < kaki> went to sauna party in saturday but didn't sauna because poker game lasted to sunrise
2022-07-25T22:34:28 < kaki> we had 4eurs at table so it was extra intense
2022-07-25T22:38:31 < kaki> Steffanx: what you have there?
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2022-07-25T22:58:24 < Steffanx> what i have where kaki?
2022-07-25T22:59:24 < kaki> Steffanx: lol i like the "what people watched" in the timeline thingy.
2022-07-25T23:01:37 < Steffanx> The pornhub style popularity graph youtube has nowadays. It shows the end the video is not very popular.
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2022-07-25T23:05:53 < Laurence_b> sup
2022-07-25T23:07:18 < kaki> Steffanx: ah
2022-07-25T23:07:34 < kaki> it's been there like a month or something
2022-07-25T23:09:09 < Laurence_b> video from onboard hyperloop
2022-07-25T23:09:09 < Steffanx> I know.. 
2022-07-25T23:09:13 < Laurence_b> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZAlKsWj_U
2022-07-25T23:09:45 < Steffanx> It's just shows the music gets more boring the longer you listen, kaki 😉
2022-07-25T23:11:30 < kaki> video of Laurence_b testriding hyperloop
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2022-07-25T23:13:47 < kaki> Steffanx: should I buy some HEL: FORTUM ?
2022-07-25T23:14:11 < kaki> damn I was about to buy some at 27 or something last winter
2022-07-25T23:16:36 < Steffanx> whats going on with HEL: FORTUM kaki?
2022-07-25T23:17:54 < kaki> it bought problematic energy company from germany
2022-07-25T23:19:25 < Steffanx> problematic as in.. natural gas?
2022-07-25T23:19:30 < kaki> yes
2022-07-25T23:19:36 < kaki> and coal
2022-07-25T23:21:36 < kaki> and financier of nord stream 2
2022-07-25T23:21:40 < kaki> one of*
2022-07-25T23:24:40 < milkylainen> Retarded energy companies in both Sweden and Finland got swindled by German scam artists with neckties.
2022-07-25T23:25:17 < kaki> no worries
2022-07-25T23:25:35 < kaki> fortum is owned mainly by finnish goverment
2022-07-25T23:26:06 < milkylainen> Vattenfall is owned mainly by Swedish goverment too. But fail to see how it has anything to do with being retarded?
2022-07-25T23:26:21 < milkylainen> Or you mean that goverment is per implication always full of retarded people?
2022-07-25T23:26:26 < kaki> no
2022-07-25T23:26:26 < milkylainen> In that case i concur. :)
2022-07-25T23:27:20 < milkylainen> Sweden and Norway should cut the energy supply ties to all of the Nordics.
2022-07-25T23:27:48 < kaki> I mean if there is serious problem you can always hand the bill to taxpayer
2022-07-25T23:29:06 < milkylainen> Vattenfall blew in excess of 10 billion euros in Germanys broken energy sector. Poof. Gone.
2022-07-25T23:29:23 < kaki> thats more than fortum did
2022-07-25T23:29:55 < kaki> and less than german goverment did
2022-07-25T23:30:05 < milkylainen> The Nuon failure is the single largest accqusition failure of Sweden to date.
2022-07-25T23:30:05 < kaki> bailing out 15B
2022-07-25T23:30:18 < mawk> yeah Steffanx 
2022-07-25T23:30:21 < kaki> and just getting started I predict
2022-07-25T23:32:14 < milkylainen> UK, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Poland, Latvia and Finland is relying on Swedish and Norwegian base power generation, not just exchange stability and enlargement of intermittent production grids.
2022-07-25T23:32:30 < milkylainen> They're all baseloading.
2022-07-25T23:33:29 < mawk> not off France too?
2022-07-25T23:37:54 < milkylainen> Of course they are. France is the biggest energy exporter in Europe.
2022-07-25T23:38:36 < milkylainen> In total energy. Per capita, I believe they're after Norway and Sweden.
2022-07-25T23:39:18 < milkylainen> Finland is a huge offender. 10-20% of the country need is baseloaded from Sweden.
2022-07-25T23:40:06 < milkylainen> Russia cut them off, which means increased load on Sweden.
2022-07-25T23:43:32 < kaki> milkylainen: does it come from sweden or from norway via sweden?
2022-07-25T23:43:39 < kaki> in north
2022-07-25T23:46:34 < kaki> or both
2022-07-25T23:46:53 < milkylainen> kaki: Sweden produces more than Norway for export. But since Norway only export lines in the South (UK, Belgium, Denmark) it pushes electricy through the Swedish midwaist.
2022-07-25T23:46:56 < milkylainen> So both.
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2022-07-25T23:47:35 < milkylainen> So the Swedish waist has to cope with own current going to densly populated areas south, own export and Norwegian export.
2022-07-25T23:48:18 < kaki> some is transfered via finland from north to stockholm
2022-07-25T23:48:28 < kaki> not much 700MW or something
2022-07-25T23:49:00 < zyp> yeah, there's crazy differences between electricity prices between north and south of norway
2022-07-25T23:49:01 < milkylainen> kaki: Depends. Finland relies on 1-2GW typically from Sweden.
2022-07-25T23:49:14 < milkylainen> Which is between 10-20% of the country need.
2022-07-25T23:49:16 < kaki> it's true
2022-07-25T23:49:37 < milkylainen> But sometimes it rushes up to 30%. We had 25% of Finlands needs this afternoon.
2022-07-25T23:49:50 < milkylainen> But more typical is 10-20%.
2022-07-25T23:49:54 < qyx> nice graph https://www.statista.com/statistics/1265894/european-union-electricity-net-imports-country/
2022-07-25T23:50:13 < milkylainen> https://www.svk.se/om-kraftsystemet/kontrollrummet/
2022-07-25T23:50:13 < zyp> in the south of norway, supply can't keep up with demand, in the north supply is saturating both local demand and export capacity
2022-07-25T23:50:18 < milkylainen> better graph
2022-07-25T23:51:01 < milkylainen> Norway and Sweden has 0 power issues. If Norway would stop pushing power south through their own waist it would be 0 problems too.
2022-07-25T23:51:08 < milkylainen> qyx: realtime too.
2022-07-25T23:51:16 < qyx> yes but not all countries
2022-07-25T23:51:22 < milkylainen> Nordics.
2022-07-25T23:51:25 < milkylainen> Indeed.
2022-07-25T23:52:39 < kaki> milkylainen: is there sea cable projects in norway north-south happening currently?
2022-07-25T23:52:59 < zyp> why sea cables?
2022-07-25T23:53:06 < kaki> idk
2022-07-25T23:53:09 < kaki> mountains
2022-07-25T23:53:16 < milkylainen> kaki: I have a friend working in UK and will go to Shetland ilands for HVDC projects.
2022-07-25T23:53:29 < milkylainen> I think Norway wants to beef up the links to sell more power.
2022-07-25T23:53:45 < milkylainen> Which means more problems for the people and more money for the power companies.
2022-07-25T23:54:16 < kaki> milkylainen: and from there to UK?
2022-07-25T23:54:17 < milkylainen> I'm thinking of the southbound links from NO3-4?
2022-07-25T23:54:34 < milkylainen> I don't remember the Norwegian region names.
2022-07-25T23:54:42 < milkylainen> Or 1-2. :)
2022-07-25T23:54:49 < zyp> I'm in NO2
2022-07-25T23:54:57 < milkylainen> It's the opposite, right?
2022-07-25T23:55:12 < milkylainen> SE4 is south in sweden, but NO4 is north in norway?
2022-07-25T23:55:17 < milkylainen> map?
2022-07-25T23:55:18 < zyp> no, NO2 is south
2022-07-25T23:55:37 < zyp> i.e. I'm in the most expensive region :)
2022-07-25T23:56:07 < milkylainen> so yes. SE4 is south in sweden but NO4 is north in norway. Found a map.
2022-07-25T23:56:14 < milkylainen> NO1-2 is south in norway.
2022-07-25T23:56:27 < milkylainen> So opposite to Sweden. Sort of.
2022-07-25T23:57:00 < milkylainen> zyp: Norway should have stupid cheap power.
2022-07-25T23:57:10 < zyp> yeah, it usually is
2022-07-25T23:58:50 < milkylainen> you have 0.36 euro/kwh currently. Sweden has 0.05 for all regions.
2022-07-25T23:59:04 < milkylainen> But again. Blame power export.
2022-07-25T23:59:45 < zyp> norway is running a compensation scheme though, covers 80% of the cost past .7 NOK
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2022-07-26T00:02:04 < milkylainen> Does that happen automatically in billing or do you have to do anything?
2022-07-26T00:07:12 < zyp> it's automatic, but simplified
2022-07-26T00:08:51 < zyp> for each region, a (probably weighted) monthly average is calculated, compensation rate is calculcated from that, and then compensation is simply total consumption for the month multiplied by the rate
2022-07-26T00:10:17 < zyp> so it could be effectively more or less depending on which hours I'm using electricity, i.e. whether my average electricity price is higher or lower than the standard average
2022-07-26T00:10:46 < zyp> I haven't been paying attention recently, but for the first months I were beating the standard average
2022-07-26T00:11:28 < zyp> which is pretty much expected since I've got a fair amount of consumption outside peak hours
2022-07-26T00:11:33 < zyp> (e.g. EV charging at night)
2022-07-26T00:12:28 < milkylainen> I see. Tnx for the explanation.
2022-07-26T00:14:39 < zyp> last weekend we had half a day with almost free electricity in NO2, and since I'm still getting compensation for them, I was effectively getting paid to use electricity
2022-07-26T00:15:55 < milkylainen> Nice. :)
2022-07-26T00:16:21 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/MiN3E.jpg
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2022-07-26T00:27:09 < milkylainen> Bedtime. Have a nice evening. :)
2022-07-26T00:40:21 < zyp> jpa-, now I've achieved what I had in mind when writing protonium: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/o9yLX.png :)
2022-07-26T00:44:04 < zyp> code behind it: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/INlat
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2022-07-26T01:06:06 < Mangy_Dog> tech question.... How difficult would it be to compile programs for arm? Im just wondering why were not making the move to arm, is it simply as difficult as changing some compile flags and having the compiler target the different system?  IE why arent we genurally moving away from x86 already?
2022-07-26T01:06:30 < kaki> it's no biggie
2022-07-26T01:06:56 < Mangy_Dog> i dont mean as an embedded thing... Just PC in general
2022-07-26T01:07:15 < specing> it's no biggie
2022-07-26T01:07:44 < specing> I'm not moving to arm because the arm computers are potatos
2022-07-26T01:07:54 < kaki> windows 10 and 11 have arm versions
2022-07-26T01:07:56 < Mangy_Dog> they are at the moment
2022-07-26T01:08:07 < Mangy_Dog> but theres no reason for them to be
2022-07-26T01:08:08 < kaki> linux has been for arm for like 20years?
2022-07-26T01:08:28 < specing> Mangy_Dog: rockchip finaly has a chip out there that significantly outperforms my core2duos
2022-07-26T01:08:43 < Mangy_Dog> ohh what chip?
2022-07-26T01:08:45  * specing considers getting such a computer
2022-07-26T01:08:51 < specing> rk3588 afaik
2022-07-26T01:08:56 < Mangy_Dog> ah
2022-07-26T01:09:34 < kaki> apple silicon is ARM64
2022-07-26T01:09:38 < kaki> so osx too
2022-07-26T01:09:41 < specing> https://liliputing.com/2021/12/rk3588-is-rockchips-highest-performance-processor-to-date-likely-coming-in-2022.html
2022-07-26T01:09:54 < specing> yeah, new macbooks are ARM, aren't they?
2022-07-26T01:09:58 < Mangy_Dog> yeah
2022-07-26T01:10:00 < kaki> yes
2022-07-26T01:10:56 < specing> maybe a few more years before they start accepting normal SODIMMS
2022-07-26T01:11:43 < Mangy_Dog> nodnods
2022-07-26T01:12:39 < specing> and ECC
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2022-07-26T01:22:47 < specing> oooh yeah, 32 GB RAM
2022-07-26T01:23:01 < specing> https://en.t-firefly.com/product/industry/itx3588j
2022-07-26T01:24:12 < specing> though you can get a similar x86 for much less money, I believe
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2022-07-26T01:36:07 < kaki> indeed
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2022-07-26T01:50:04 < Laurence_b> keeek youtube censors don't know what this is for lmao
2022-07-26T01:56:54 < kaki> what is it for?
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2022-07-26T03:06:14 < Laurence_b> making heroin
2022-07-26T03:06:26 < Laurence_b> woah digikey updated their site for first time since 1995
2022-07-26T03:06:43 < Laurence_b> still looks a bit basic but i guess it works
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2022-07-26T11:26:43 < zyp> yeah, now I can get back to the motor control algorithms
2022-07-26T11:33:33 < srk> oh yeah, I'm back in the game as well. toying with vesc ebike
2022-07-26T11:33:33 < zyp> I set it up to run at 100% modulation and tuned angle offset between encoder and pwm until I saw the lowest current draw from the power supply, runs fairly smooth now
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2022-07-26T11:33:34 < zyp> I assume that means I've got voltage angle leading sufficiently to keep current angle at 90°
2022-07-26T11:33:34 < zyp> for this specific load/speed :)
2022-07-26T11:35:32 < catphish> kaki: box is home :) https://i.imgur.com/r0PQ1Vr.jpg
2022-07-26T11:36:42 < jpa-> zyp: that method probably tunes so that voltage is in phase with back-emf; but for a motor running at constant speed, that is also 90° so should be fine
2022-07-26T11:38:09 < zyp> I haven't set up the ADC yet to actually measure the phase currents
2022-07-26T11:39:15 < zyp> then again I haven't set up zeroing of the encoder or anything yet either
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2022-07-26T12:52:08 < Laurence_b> sup
2022-07-26T12:52:16 < Laurence_b> anyone ever run dhcp server on windows10?
2022-07-26T12:52:22 < Laurence_b> I'm struggling to enable it
2022-07-26T12:54:31 < Laurence_b> I'm sure win10 has its own server built in
2022-07-26T12:54:44 < Laurence_b> I've done this before... once
2022-07-26T12:59:55 < Laurence_b> wow windozer documentation is bad
2022-07-26T13:00:00 < Laurence_b> make lunix look good
2022-07-26T13:01:43 < Laurence_b> I dont know wtf is going on lmao
2022-07-26T13:06:43 < Laurence_b> wtf zero documentation wtf
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2022-07-26T13:18:10 < Mangy_Dog> wow just looked up the new rockchip
2022-07-26T13:18:11 < Mangy_Dog> looks nice
2022-07-26T13:18:15 < Mangy_Dog> but
2022-07-26T13:18:21 < Mangy_Dog> why are the dev boards 200+ quid
2022-07-26T13:18:36 < Mangy_Dog> but the ic is no more than 20 quid each
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2022-07-26T13:32:20 < Laurence_b> looks like windozer expects external dhcp
2022-07-26T13:32:23 < Laurence_b> epin fail
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2022-07-26T15:13:05 < Mangy_Dog> Sorry im back now, had to turnt he power off... 
2022-07-26T15:13:40 < Mangy_Dog> So the new RK3588 appears to be about $20 per IC. Why are the dev boards for this thing upward of $200?
2022-07-26T15:14:02 < Mangy_Dog> even wtih ram and emmc that seems like a steeeeeeep price jump
2022-07-26T15:26:16 < Steffanx> It take a bit of man hours to make such board, documentation, to give support etc.
2022-07-26T15:28:44 < Steffanx> Or maybe just corporate tax. If youre serious you dont mind spending $200
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2022-07-26T15:44:45 < Mangy_Dog> dont get me wrong i get that there are other costs... but seems like a big jump considering
2022-07-26T15:45:02 < Mangy_Dog> the other prices of other soc dev boards
2022-07-26T15:45:17 < Mangy_Dog> at 20 quid a chip... kinda making me tempted to make my own board
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2022-07-26T16:19:17 < Mangy_Dog> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879434766296952875/1001478779731988530/unknown.png
2022-07-26T16:19:19 < Mangy_Dog> ooppphhh
2022-07-26T16:19:21 < Mangy_Dog> or maybe not
2022-07-26T16:19:25 < Mangy_Dog> that bga is DENCE
2022-07-26T16:19:52 < Mangy_Dog> ill almost certainly not be able to solder that without an accurate pick and place 
2022-07-26T16:20:26 < mawk> aeaeaeaeaeaeaeaeae
2022-07-26T16:20:39 < mawk> you should see the aQFN of nordic Mangy_Dog 
2022-07-26T16:20:54 < Mangy_Dog> ??
2022-07-26T16:21:14 < Mangy_Dog> but qfn is external
2022-07-26T16:21:28 < Mangy_Dog> alignment and spotting shorts wouldbe...
2022-07-26T16:21:33 < Mangy_Dog> well doable at least
2022-07-26T16:21:57 < mawk> aQFN
2022-07-26T16:21:58 < mawk> not QFN
2022-07-26T16:22:05 < mawk> https://www.nordicsemi.com/-/media/Images/Products/SoC/SoCs-dobble-top/nRF52-Series/nRF52840-QIAA.png?h=350&la=en&mw=350&w=350&hash=B883E5A775839D798942847F944B4C0BF941E364
2022-07-26T16:23:43 < Mangy_Dog> oh o.O
2022-07-26T16:24:06 < Mangy_Dog> i need a banana for scale
2022-07-26T16:24:09 < Mangy_Dog> is that 5mm?
2022-07-26T16:25:37 < Steffanx> That one is doable,  and I recall you dont need the inner pads. But that might he a different one.
2022-07-26T17:00:34 < aandrew> what the fuck is up with Nordic
2022-07-26T17:00:43 < aandrew> they are on a mission to create the fucking dumbest footprints on the planet
2022-07-26T17:00:51 < aandrew> have they patented it or something so it can't be cloned?
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2022-07-26T17:44:00 < mawk> you also have wlcsp if you prefer aandrew 
2022-07-26T17:44:42 < mawk> I have a touchscreen altium setup
2022-07-26T17:44:47 < jpa-> Mangy_Dog: placing that bga by hand is doable, but pcb with high enough density to bring out signals would be expensive
2022-07-26T17:44:49 < mawk> to look at skematiks
2022-07-26T17:46:03 < Mangy_Dog> bring out signels? You mean to break out all the IP from the bga array?
2022-07-26T17:46:06 < Mangy_Dog> IO
2022-07-26T17:46:19 < Mangy_Dog> im assuming a 4 layer at the very least
2022-07-26T17:46:31 < Mangy_Dog> maybe 6
2022-07-26T17:48:25 < jpa-> layers don't help because normal vias don't fit
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2022-07-26T18:10:40 < englishman> mawk do you have the Pro Subscription
2022-07-26T18:12:29 < mawk> no idea
2022-07-26T18:12:35 < mawk> I use a viewer license
2022-07-26T18:12:43 < mawk> but there's a real license seat available
2022-07-26T18:13:09 < mawk> it doesn't say if I'm mega pro or lame pro
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2022-07-26T18:33:09 < Mangy_Dog> ahhh sooo jpa itrs trace size thats the issue? most fab hoses dont go small enough?
2022-07-26T18:33:41 < Mangy_Dog> well. most common service ones like pcbway or jlc
2022-07-26T18:50:21 < karlp> pretty sure jlc only goes to 0.3mm drills,
2022-07-26T18:50:43 < karlp> I think youre underestimating ram+emmc costs as well,
2022-07-26T18:54:05 < Mangy_Dog> its ddr3 ram right?
2022-07-26T18:57:53 < Mangy_Dog> DDR3 RAM ics arent stupidly expensive
2022-07-26T18:58:15 < Mangy_Dog> 10 dollars for 2 or 4 gb?
2022-07-26T18:58:22 < Mangy_Dog> and emmc
2022-07-26T18:58:30 < Mangy_Dog> is still fairly comparable to sd cards
2022-07-26T18:58:39 < Mangy_Dog> supply is a bit iffy though
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2022-07-26T19:10:57 < Steffanx> Routing ddr3 might be something else though..
2022-07-26T19:11:54 < Steffanx> I would rather buy a SOM
2022-07-26T19:32:15 < jpa-> orbtrace on hackaday, comments burst with "wohoo it costs money"
2022-07-26T19:39:24 < mawk> hackers deserve free stuff 
2022-07-26T19:42:54 < Steffanx> Lol.
2022-07-26T19:47:16 < Steffanx> Did mawk spend his hacker money on one yet? :P
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2022-07-26T19:55:31 < qyx> karlp: jlc does 0.2
2022-07-26T19:57:04 < qyx> I was about to rexcommend mangy-dog to not even bother
2022-07-26T19:58:47 < jpa-> with 0.4mm pitch BGA, 0.4mm pad diameter vias do not get you very far :)
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2022-07-26T20:02:05 < jpa-> Mangy_Dog: pcbway gives $554 price for PCB that might barely accommodate that BGA :)
2022-07-26T20:02:13 < jpa-> (5pcs, the minimum)
2022-07-26T20:02:31 < Mangy_Dog> ooohph
2022-07-26T20:02:39 < Mangy_Dog> sorry i had to take a nap
2022-07-26T20:02:46 < Mangy_Dog> so what is it too small a trace width?
2022-07-26T20:02:57 < Mangy_Dog> for the cheaper services?
2022-07-26T20:03:06 < jpa-> microvias in bga pad is a special process and pretty much mandatory for that
2022-07-26T20:03:16 < Mangy_Dog> ahh
2022-07-26T20:03:46 < jpa-> otherwise you can only get the outermost two rows of balls connected
2022-07-26T20:03:58 < Mangy_Dog> yeah
2022-07-26T20:05:00 < mawk> no Steffanx I haz no money
2022-07-26T20:14:00 < qyx> 0.65 mm pitch is the minimum doable
2022-07-26T20:14:09 < qyx> using "common" services
2022-07-26T20:15:50 < jpa-> hmm, i wonder if i read that diagram wrong and it is actually 0.65mm pitch? 34x34 balls may still be too much to ask
2022-07-26T20:17:13 < Mangy_Dog> ball pitch is 0.65
2022-07-26T20:17:19 < Mangy_Dog> just looked at the datasheet again
2022-07-26T20:17:46 < Mangy_Dog> https://www.cnx-software.com/pdf/Rockchip%C2%A0RK3588%C2%A0Datasheet%C2%A0V0.1-20210727.pdf
2022-07-26T20:18:09 < jpa-> so get going, 1 minute per trace, shouldn't take more than 20 hours :)
2022-07-26T20:18:13 < Mangy_Dog> 4 video ports built in
2022-07-26T20:18:14 < Mangy_Dog> impressive
2022-07-26T20:18:31 < Mangy_Dog> well
2022-07-26T20:18:40 < Mangy_Dog> i was thinking this could be used for a multi screen car dash
2022-07-26T20:19:26 < Mangy_Dog> dont get me wrong though id rather have a plug in module
2022-07-26T20:19:41 < Mangy_Dog> but at those kind of prices it might be cheaper to do it myself...............
2022-07-26T20:19:51 < Mangy_Dog> i know ive said famous last workds before
2022-07-26T20:19:52 < Mangy_Dog> but... esh
2022-07-26T20:20:07 < Mangy_Dog> a full sbc from scratch is a big first
2022-07-26T20:20:59 < Mangy_Dog> jlc dont do blind vias though
2022-07-26T20:21:10 < Mangy_Dog> and 0.3 minimum drill
2022-07-26T20:21:35 < Mangy_Dog> but 0.25 on 4 or 6 layer boards
2022-07-26T20:21:51 < Mangy_Dog> what size is microvia?
2022-07-26T20:21:53 < Mangy_Dog> in mm
2022-07-26T20:23:35 < jpa-> usually 0.15mm or smaller
2022-07-26T20:23:47 < jpa-> but it's not like the name matters, what matters is if you can get it to fit
2022-07-26T20:24:22 < Mangy_Dog> nods
2022-07-26T20:35:44 < Steffanx> Where did your money go mr mawk?
2022-07-26T20:36:06 < mawk> patching the hole in my bank account 
2022-07-26T20:36:16 < mawk> carried from the last two years 
2022-07-26T21:08:15 < Steffanx> Time to tell your ex gf to get a job, mawk?
2022-07-26T21:08:27 < Steffanx> Assuming she's still the refugee living there.
2022-07-26T21:25:48 < zyp> jpa-, well, a microvia typically means a laser drilled single layer blind via, so the name implies more than just a small diameter
2022-07-26T21:29:18 < jpa-> true
2022-07-26T21:36:33 < zyp> for dense BGA, I'd say 0.8mm is the smallest that's realistically doable for cheap
2022-07-26T21:37:10 < zyp> for a sparse BGA, smaller is possible if there's enough gaps to fit all the vias you need
2022-07-26T21:38:57 < jpa-> and 2 layers of balls from each side is usually possible in any case; so 4xN BGA works well
2022-07-26T21:41:35 < zyp> not necessarily, if you start looking at wlcsp parts
2022-07-26T21:42:22 < zyp> jlcpcb capabilities says minimum pad 0.25 and minimum track/space 0.09, which gives a minimum 0.52mm pitch
2022-07-26T21:42:58 < zyp> but I'm not sure how strict they are about the first, maybe you can reduce it to 0.23
2022-07-26T21:44:06 < zyp> I never got around to fab this thing: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/ut1HQ.png
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2022-07-26T21:44:46 < zyp> maybe I should throw that in next time I'm getting something from jlcpcb, just to see how well it turns out :)
2022-07-26T21:44:50 < jpa-> they manufactured 0.19mm pads for me, i guess they don't check
2022-07-26T21:45:21 < jpa-> http://jpa.kapsi.fi/stuff/pix/jlcpcb_bga.jpg   0.19 mm pad, 0.1 mm traces, 0.5 mm pitch
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2022-07-26T21:45:34 < zyp> nice
2022-07-26T21:45:47 < zyp> that looks familiar, what was that again?
2022-07-26T21:46:28 < zyp> was that rdram or something?
2022-07-26T21:48:43 < zyp> I'm thinking of rpc dram, looks about same size, but doesn't have a staggered footprint
2022-07-26T21:50:32 < jpa-> nah, it was DA7212 audio codec
2022-07-26T21:51:34 < jpa-> it got some youtube comments saying i shouldn't be placing BGAs with such shaky hands ;)
2022-07-26T21:54:46 < Steffanx> Did you make it work in the end jpa-?
2022-07-26T21:55:32 < jpa-> not really
2022-07-26T21:55:50 < jpa-> the BGA chip worked fine, but the BLE module kept losing connection
2022-07-26T21:58:08 < Steffanx> ah
2022-07-26T22:02:59 < jpa-> i probably should have just used NRF24L01 or something like that
2022-07-26T22:10:50 < invzim_> thank you world for giving i2s signals so many names \o/
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2022-07-26T22:49:53 < Steffanx> Farmer farmer kaki 
2022-07-26T22:50:06 < kaki> welding and shit
2022-07-26T23:00:30 < Steffanx> And sauna poker?
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2022-07-26T23:03:39 < kaki> hmm sauna poker
2022-07-26T23:03:43 < kaki> should try that
2022-07-26T23:03:48 < kaki> first I need to invent sauna table
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2022-07-26T23:14:49 < qyx> what
2022-07-26T23:15:02 < qyx> I am sure I did 0.2 mm vias at jlcpcb
2022-07-26T23:15:29 < qyx> I don't understand Mangy_Dog, did they change their capabilities?
2022-07-26T23:15:43 < Mangy_Dog> maybe
2022-07-26T23:15:56 < Mangy_Dog> but ive been told off for using bellow 0.3 before
2022-07-26T23:15:57 < qyx> I also did 0.1/0.1 at aisler despite they are not supporting it
2022-07-26T23:17:20 < qyx> also, been there done that, doing linux sbc is a 40+ hour work
2022-07-26T23:17:45 < qyx> I did lpddr3 routing 3 times on that bnoard and still wrong
2022-07-26T23:18:06 < qyx> because I yolo'd it as jay carlsson says
2022-07-26T23:18:35 < Mangy_Dog> wrong maching lengths?
2022-07-26T23:18:41 < qyx> but that's not entirely viable, basic requirements still matter
2022-07-26T23:18:53 < qyx> yeah I got timing errors
2022-07-26T23:19:38 < qyx> I mean, not wrong
2022-07-26T23:20:26 < qyx> 14 mm max was one of the requirements, I did 13.5 but didn't count vias, WRONG
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2022-07-26T23:54:39 < Mangy_Dog> is there a version of this setup that i can get.... cheaper? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000052074925.html
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2022-07-27T00:08:07 < englishman> you can get it without the camera
2022-07-27T00:08:31 < Mangy_Dog> the cameras probebly the cheapest component ther e:p
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2022-07-27T00:33:08 < zyp> qyx, Mangy_Dog, jlcpcb does 0.2mm vias on 4L, 0.3mm on 2L
2022-07-27T00:33:17 < Mangy_Dog> ahh
2022-07-27T00:36:13 < Mangy_Dog> and i just spent 100 quid on an andostar magnifying display thing
2022-07-27T00:36:14 < Mangy_Dog> ad208
2022-07-27T00:36:36 < Mangy_Dog> i feel its hidiously over priced for what it is
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2022-07-27T00:59:33 < karlp> you regualrly massively underestimate your own work on projects, yet everyone elses projects should be ~free?
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2022-07-27T12:28:54 < Steffanx> Early kaki. 
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2022-07-27T14:04:51 < kaki> nope
2022-07-27T14:04:55 < kaki> kaki not here
2022-07-27T14:13:46 < Steffanx> E
2022-07-27T14:13:49 < Steffanx> Who's kaki?
2022-07-27T14:45:12 < kaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JH1_ZKV7t4
2022-07-27T14:45:52 < kaki> tricopter hover power reduced by 3x by adding wings
2022-07-27T14:53:30 < srk> wild
2022-07-27T15:43:16 < englishman> could also be reduced by 3x by simply having larger and more efficient blades and spinning those?
2022-07-27T15:48:40 < specing> could spin the wings themselves
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2022-07-27T16:07:04 < sauce> wonder if it has any pitch/roll authority at all when its spinning like that
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2022-07-27T16:35:00 < kaki> englishman: yes
2022-07-27T16:37:08 < kaki> basically this adjustable angle thing has one benefit that is manouveribilitu
2022-07-27T16:37:14 < kaki> manouverability*
2022-07-27T16:37:37 < kaki> stop rotating = no rotational inertia
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2022-07-27T17:26:29 < BrainDamage> this is neat https://gpsjam.org airplanes have a GPS onboard and send their coordinates publicly with ADS-B which plenty of user receivers listen to, by monitoring those broadcasts you can infer about GPS jamming activity
2022-07-27T17:27:52 < mawk> around moscow it's quite red
2022-07-27T17:27:59 < mawk> they excluded ukraine
2022-07-27T17:28:22 < mawk> in the USA there are maybe military bases around it
2022-07-27T17:29:33 < BrainDamage> I'm sure the ukraine exclusion is to avoid to be seen as a politically involved party
2022-07-27T17:29:37 < BrainDamage> otherwise either side could be claiming you're giving away SIGINT
2022-07-27T17:29:40 < BrainDamage> even if it's public domain infos
2022-07-27T17:31:09 < mawk> yeah
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2022-07-27T20:45:20 < machinehum> Does this look like a successful ACK? https://imgur.com/a/YkzTXEe
2022-07-27T20:46:59 < machinehum> It looks like the slave is pulling low on that last clock cycle...
2022-07-27T21:41:39 < englishman> there is no commercial travel over ukraine
2022-07-27T21:41:50 < englishman> and thus no ads-b
2022-07-27T21:42:29 < englishman> everyone stopped a little while after mh-17 (iirc)
2022-07-27T21:42:51 < karlp> went later than that...
2022-07-27T21:43:13 < karlp> indian air was doing yolo flights straight over ukraine _after_ feb 24..  for a few days at least... iirc
2022-07-27T21:43:32 < karlp> mh17 was, "um, we're all just going to pretend nothing happened right?"
2022-07-27T21:47:09 < milkylainen> india be like "Russia is our pals. Putin is a nice guy. He sells us oil for bargin price. Must be a good thing to have no spine."
2022-07-27T22:01:53 < jpa-> machinehum: i don't see slave pulling low, the last low pulse of SDA is due to master sending stop condition
2022-07-27T22:04:45 < machinehum> jpa-: You're right
2022-07-27T22:04:56 < machinehum> I tried disconnecting the chip
2022-07-27T22:05:01 < machinehum> Same waveform
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2022-07-27T23:23:54 < kaki> box
2022-07-27T23:37:44 < Steffanx> Battery
2022-07-27T23:44:47 < zyp> karlp, about to bring up ADC on g4, noticed it was still old style, so I went to check if you fixed in your fork, and there it is as the sole stm32-related change in the middle of a pile of wch stuff :)
2022-07-27T23:45:27 < zyp> ah, because the next change was adding ch5xx_adc
2022-07-27T23:46:10 < zyp> anyway, I'm gonna cherry-pick, test and merge it
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2022-07-28T00:04:55 < zyp> tested, fixed, merged and pushed
2022-07-28T00:13:30 < zyp> ah, right, I need the opamps as well
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2022-07-28T00:39:36 < zyp> so this shit hooks up the three shunts to OPAMP1, OPAMP2 and OPAMP3 -- OPAMP1 can only be routed to ADC1, OPAMP2 can only be routed to ADC2, OPAMP3 can be routed to ADC1, ADC2 or ADC3
2022-07-28T00:40:31 < zyp> so I figure «okay, I can't get away with a single ADC then, but I can set them up to sample all three channels simultaneously»
2022-07-28T00:41:10 < zyp> except g431 is so lowend it only has two of the five ADCs
2022-07-28T00:42:06 < zyp> so no matter what I do I end up with one ADC sampling two channels and one sampling the third
2022-07-28T00:44:44 < zyp> unless I try being very clever sampling only one channel with each ADC, switching them around so that the one I don't sample is the one that might be 100% on at the current pwm angle
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2022-07-28T01:26:07 < karlp> needed the adc shit at some poitn for some comparisons...
2022-07-28T01:26:18 < karlp> glad it helped, just keep taking bits as you need :)
2022-07-28T01:29:01 < karlp> fucking, just built up my first ch582 board, debugger says, "um, is debu open? use isp tool...."
2022-07-28T01:29:14 < karlp> and I didn't put boot pin or a usb connector on it.
2022-07-28T01:29:19 < karlp> thought I could just use the debugger..
2022-07-28T01:29:28  * karlp pokes a bit...
2022-07-28T01:34:23 < zyp> heh, fuck that
2022-07-28T01:41:38 < karlp> well, I'm currentyly assuming it's soldered correctly :)
2022-07-28T01:41:53 < karlp> but yeah, I expected to just connect the debugger to it, and go...
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2022-07-28T02:12:59 < karlp> ok, no, had a short on TCK/TIO.  
2022-07-28T02:13:12 < karlp> swanky new precise soldering iron to the rescue...
2022-07-28T02:14:04 < zyp> how do you like it so far?
2022-07-28T02:14:13 < zyp> you got the one with the non-nano handle, right?
2022-07-28T02:14:34 < karlp> well, it's still pretty fucky small to me.
2022-07-28T02:14:45 < karlp> I got the t210, so not as small as the 115, not as big as the c240 or something?
2022-07-28T02:14:54 < karlp> yeah, really nice so far.
2022-07-28T02:15:42 < karlp> menu has a few wonky things like, IMO, the wheel scroll direction is backwards in the menu, but whatever.
2022-07-28T02:16:01 < karlp> and a couple of things seem a bit inconsistent with middle press wheel vs press "set" button, but no big deal, not much to configure.
2022-07-28T02:16:08 < karlp> nice UI, super fast.
2022-07-28T02:16:14 < karlp> I think I want some bigger tips :)
2022-07-28T02:16:30 < karlp> very nice silicon leads, really nice setup really.
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2022-07-28T02:21:53 < zyp> kinda tempting to get a T420D, but it looks like it's cheaper to just get two T3B
2022-07-28T02:22:36 < zyp> and they still haven't cloned the tweezers, what I really want is one with the 115 handle and tweezers
2022-07-28T02:23:07 < karlp> yeah, tweezers are nice, though our weller ones are still kinda janky.
2022-07-28T02:23:15 < karlp> the t420d has teh nice swing arm shit 
2022-07-28T02:23:25 < karlp> I intend of having this mostly compact mode though.
2022-07-28T02:23:34 < karlp> looks like full colour dispay too.
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2022-07-28T02:24:24 < zyp> t3b is not?
2022-07-28T02:24:33 < karlp> considering how polished all the packaging was, I was a _little_ surprised to get a china/au IEC cable and an adaptor, not a euro IEC cable.
2022-07-28T02:24:49 < karlp> um. yes. yes it is. nvm.
2022-07-28T02:25:00 < karlp> had to turn around. it's mostly "blue" in the default ui at least?
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2022-07-28T02:31:14 < karlp> damnit. downloaded a new xpack rsciv toolchain, and getting shit like  extern/laks/interrupt/dispatch_pfic_direct.cpp:8: Error: unrecognized opcode `csrr a4,mcause'
2022-07-28T02:31:24 < karlp> need to pack it up and take this home and compare to the other computer now.
2022-07-28T02:31:29 < karlp> at least the hardware seems to be ok...
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2022-07-28T03:04:42 < karlp> oh dear, seems to be some weird csr read write moving from I to Zicsr and Zifencei extensions... thanks riscv ISA spec...
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2022-07-28T03:26:05 < mawk> https://youtu.be/6Xp8BzJkCz8
2022-07-28T03:26:12 < mawk> hardcore love song about a sextoy
2022-07-28T03:26:14 < mawk> very original
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2022-07-28T11:47:26 < srk> vesc foc with magnetic encoder https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hTpKFilI4Hk
2022-07-28T11:49:55 < jpa-> your velocity PID overshoots a bit :)
2022-07-28T11:50:11 < srk> I think it's in current control mode
2022-07-28T11:50:55 < jpa-> that response seems weird for current control / constant torque mode
2022-07-28T11:51:44 < srk> it does indeed but that's because of the "load"
2022-07-28T11:52:22 < jpa-> i can't see why constant torque mode would speed up beyond the steady state speed
2022-07-28T11:52:24 < srk> it should behave when used on bike.. or maybe that's another mode that goes full rpm with no load
2022-07-28T11:53:14 < srk> no, it's not current control. it's just set to like 500RPM iirc in vesc tool
2022-07-28T11:53:27 < jpa-> ah, so it is in velocity PID mode
2022-07-28T11:53:43 < jpa-> so indeed just velocity PID overshoot, to be expected if you haven't tuned it yet :)
2022-07-28T11:54:04 < srk> yep, I might not even need to as I don't intend to use it
2022-07-28T11:54:16 < jpa-> yeah
2022-07-28T11:54:27 < srk> I need a sort of electronic freewheel which should work with current control
2022-07-28T11:54:28 < jpa-> i use current control on my ebike
2022-07-28T11:54:47 < srk> oh yes, I remember now. current control is scary when bench testing because it goes max rpm with no load :D
2022-07-28T11:54:59 < jpa-> yes
2022-07-28T11:55:29 < srk> was showing that to a friend and he made a step back from the table when I launched it
2022-07-28T11:55:44 < srk> I'm like .. that's why it's clamped to the table xD
2022-07-28T11:55:54 < jpa-> even scarier when you have a whole bike wheel mounted on it like i did :)
2022-07-28T11:56:03 < srk> and hooked up to lab PSU (for now)
2022-07-28T11:56:12 < srk> hah, in the air?
2022-07-28T11:56:21 < jpa-> yeah
2022-07-28T11:56:21 < srk> with batteries?!
2022-07-28T11:56:50 < jpa-> with magic lithium fairies providing endless free power
2022-07-28T11:57:08 < srk> I'm planning to use empty tire and friction for initial tests
2022-07-28T11:57:09 < srk> :)))
2022-07-28T11:57:19 < srk> vbrake later
2022-07-28T11:57:28 < srk> dyno some day
2022-07-28T11:58:45 < srk> what's your setup?
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2022-07-28T12:10:46 < jpa-> srk: front hub motor + 12S lifepo4 + custom VESC-based thing + me going up and down the hill to test it
2022-07-28T12:11:51 < srk> jpa-: cool, smooth? :)
2022-07-28T12:13:11 < srk> I'm gonna build 6S LiPo for this thingie and hope the motor can handle that :D hooked up NTC 10k to attach to it
2022-07-28T12:13:23 < jpa-> not really, but that's because for some reason i have fully custom firmware
2022-07-28T12:14:21 < srk> hah, that's the next thing I'm gonna try but didn't want to go down that rabbit hole just yet and working reference FOC is nice to have at hand
2022-07-28T12:15:04 < srk> I hope this will handle hills smoothly thanks to 14bit encoder
2022-07-28T12:15:43 < jpa-> yeah, i have just the normal HALL sensors (6 steps per rotation)
2022-07-28T12:16:22 < srk> I've had to remove hall sensor filtering circuitry from this vesc 4.12 for it to start talking SPI
2022-07-28T12:16:45 < srk> fun times, 6 0402 resistors and 3 caps
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2022-07-28T16:35:32 < mawk> karlp https://youtu.be/K6PKaWytiM8
2022-07-28T16:35:36 < mawk> with original vocals
2022-07-28T16:35:45 < mawk> it's about consumerism I think
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2022-07-28T20:00:49 < karlp> the fuck is this shorts shit? short == no scroll bar? what trash is this?
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2022-07-28T20:05:50 < mawk> what shorts
2022-07-28T20:10:13 < qyx> youtube shorts?
2022-07-28T20:10:49 < jpa-> for me the scroll bar comes better visible when the pants are shorter
2022-07-28T20:16:44 < Steffanx> I dont like shorts.
2022-07-28T20:16:51 < karlp> mawk: well, that gargantua is kinda ok i guess... well done?
2022-07-28T20:19:10 < englishman> no video scrubbing either
2022-07-28T20:19:20 < englishman> it's like youtube, but with no features and shittier videos
2022-07-28T20:20:00 < englishman> the MBA that came up with that is currently retired living on a boat in monaco
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2022-07-28T21:19:55 < kaki> camera module and dozens of microphones into one usb device how?
2022-07-28T21:20:33 < kaki> microphones pdm modulation at 4.2Mhz clock
2022-07-28T21:30:07 < kaki> basically SOC right?
2022-07-28T21:30:54 < kaki> and something like rp2040 to serialize microphones?
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2022-07-28T21:47:47 < kaki> https://ftdichip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/DS_FT602Q-IC-Datasheet.pdf
2022-07-28T21:53:26 < zyp> what usb interface do you want? standard video and audio classes or proprietary?
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2022-07-28T21:57:09 < kaki> I don't want it to appear as 32 separate microphones for sure
2022-07-28T21:57:34 < qyx> kaki inventing acoustic cameras?
2022-07-28T21:58:03 < kaki> making my own fluke visual leak detector
2022-07-28T21:58:25 < qyx> are you sure it works with pdm micros?
2022-07-28T21:58:39 < kaki> pdm micros?
2022-07-28T21:58:43 < qyx> doesn't it need zero latency?
2022-07-28T21:58:54 < qyx> pdm microphones
2022-07-28T21:59:02 < kaki> just have same clock for all of them
2022-07-28T21:59:25 < kaki> pdm micro with a clock in*
2022-07-28T21:59:25 < zyp> sounds like a job for a small fpga
2022-07-28T21:59:29 < qyx> also keep in mind they are L/R multiplexed with 180 derg phase shift
2022-07-28T21:59:49 < zyp> just skip the multiplex and run them all as left or right
2022-07-28T21:59:55 < kaki> yes
2022-07-28T22:00:04 < kaki> anyways
2022-07-28T22:00:16 < qyx> stm32 with TDM converters will do
2022-07-28T22:00:19 < kaki> the device needs to just stream the shit to comfuser
2022-07-28T22:00:27 < qyx> for wideo too
2022-07-28T22:00:30 < qyx> v
2022-07-28T22:00:34 < kaki> fx2 would do unless
2022-07-28T22:00:39 < qyx> even esp32 is able to stream realtime video
2022-07-28T22:00:46 < kaki> I wanted a camera module
2022-07-28T22:01:00 < kaki> esp32 :o
2022-07-28T22:01:13 < kaki> the bestest micro
2022-07-28T22:06:46 < kaki> could it be so simple.. just use esp32 for everything
2022-07-28T22:12:07 < aandrew> kaki: why wouldn't you want 32 microphones on the PC? that sounds like the easiest way to get the data into any audio software with zero fucking around
2022-07-28T22:13:11 < aandrew> esp32 isn't USB2HS, you probably want to go small FPGA pulling everything into a parallel pipe and then either FX2LP or FTwhatever in the same mode to suck it all into the PC
2022-07-28T22:13:34 < qyx> whats the actual physical arrangement of the micros?
2022-07-28T22:13:42 < zyp> or just hook a HS PHY directly to the FPGA and use LUNA
2022-07-28T22:13:43 < qyx> do you need phase-correct input?
2022-07-28T22:13:56 < kaki> yes
2022-07-28T22:14:10 < qyx> are you sure
2022-07-28T22:14:44 < qyx> single sample is 7 mm
2022-07-28T22:14:47 < qyx> at 28 kHz
2022-07-28T22:14:50 < qyx> 48 sorry
2022-07-28T22:15:00 < kaki> I know
2022-07-28T22:15:30 < qyx> if your device is half a meter big, you can yolo those millimeters
2022-07-28T22:15:31 < kaki> and sampling is done at hundreds of kilohertz
2022-07-28T22:15:42 < kaki> not 48
2022-07-28T22:16:13 < qyx> the actual performance of a PDM mic is not comparable to a SAR-sampled mic
2022-07-28T22:16:23 < qyx> 4.2 MHz is not the number you should compute with
2022-07-28T22:16:42 < kaki> thats the clock required for something like 192khz sampling
2022-07-28T22:16:51 < Steffanx> Not even 64 microphones like the fluke.
2022-07-28T22:17:02 < kaki> Steffanx: more like 75
2022-07-28T22:17:04 < qyx> I am not a filter pro, but the sinc3 or whatever filter is used to conver PDM to PCM will mess with the phase and delay
2022-07-28T22:17:09 < Steffanx> Google said 64
2022-07-28T22:17:18 < kaki> ah
2022-07-28T22:17:24 < Steffanx> 2-52 kHz
2022-07-28T22:17:59 < kaki> I eyeballed around 75mics on that bad boy
2022-07-28T22:18:19 < kaki> between50 and 100 at least
2022-07-28T22:18:28 < qyx> I would sample with 96 or 192 or whatever is natural for the microphones, don't worry with the phase and try to do it in software
2022-07-28T22:18:47 < Steffanx> "64 digital MEMS microphones" on some fluke product page
2022-07-28T22:18:58 < zyp> 64 is between 50 and 100
2022-07-28T22:19:04 < qyx> but 64 mics at 192k/16 bit is nearly 25 MB/s without overhead
2022-07-28T22:19:09 < Steffanx> Pretty much yes
2022-07-28T22:19:49 < kaki> how do they handle PDM PCM conversion?
2022-07-28T22:20:07 < kaki> interestings
2022-07-28T22:20:15 < kaki> or do they
2022-07-28T22:20:32 < kaki> there is analol versions of basically same micros
2022-07-28T22:22:32 < zyp> hmm, this G4 is the first part I'm using with DMAMUX
2022-07-28T22:22:40 < zyp> seems neat
2022-07-28T22:23:48 < qyx> but but hey kaki keep me posted
2022-07-28T22:24:08 < kaki> k
2022-07-28T22:24:54 < qyx> I am interested too, I have two projects in my to-do list somewhere around 2032 for bird tracking/counting and avalanche mapping
2022-07-28T22:25:48  * qyx cleans his desk
2022-07-28T22:30:44 < zyp> > A same non-null DMAREQ_ID must not be programmed to different x and y DMAMUX request multiplexer channels (via DMAMUX_CxCR and DMAMUX_CyCR), except if application guarantees that the two connected DMA channels are not simultaneously active.
2022-07-28T22:31:24 < zyp> that seems silly, would be convenient to trigger multiple transfers from a single event
2022-07-28T22:31:49 < zyp> I assume the issue is that it'd lead to the same DMA request getting ACKed twice
2022-07-28T22:38:04 < kaki> qyx: interesting
2022-07-28T22:38:28 < kaki> any specs you would like to add?
2022-07-28T22:38:59 < qyx> no I just want to know if it works
2022-07-28T22:39:15 < qyx> I planned a 50-100 cm "antenna" with ~8 microphones
2022-07-28T22:39:49 < qyx> but a ball with 64 would be more cool obviously
2022-07-28T22:40:11 < kaki> this is just flat plate
2022-07-28T22:40:31 < kaki> beam forming mic mesh
2022-07-28T22:40:57 < kaki> and it's for tracking bats
2022-07-28T22:41:27 < qyx> oh I though you said leak detector?
2022-07-28T22:41:46 < kaki> could be
2022-07-28T22:42:09 < BrainDamage> qyx: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambisonics might interest you
2022-07-28T22:42:38 < BrainDamage> especially the part about the spatial frequency resolution vs number of microphones
2022-07-28T22:43:04 < BrainDamage> and you can encode arbitrary amount of channels
2022-07-28T22:43:46 < srk> https://www.latticesemi.com/products/developmentboardsandkits/8to1microphoneaggregatorboard
2022-07-28T22:44:14 < qyx> BrainDamage: much wow, very advanced
2022-07-28T22:44:57 < kaki> srk: for tracking bats it needs more mics and/or denser placement of mics
2022-07-28T22:45:27 < srk> kaki: fpga is the important bit :D
2022-07-28T22:45:43 < kaki> maybe
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2022-07-28T23:07:44 < machinehum> You guys wanna see some sic kbank robbing apparel https://www.d3vur.com/product/templeos-ski-mask/
2022-07-28T23:09:15 < kaki> rad
2022-07-28T23:09:26 < machinehum> https://www.redbubble.com/i/poster/Terry-Davis-Stylin-by-mistyhyde/27364648.E40HW
2022-07-28T23:09:39 < machinehum> You think my GF will let me put it up?
2022-07-28T23:09:48 < kaki> no
2022-07-28T23:25:29 < Steffanx> If not, you better find another gf machinehum  
2022-07-28T23:33:01 < kaki> machinehum: you know Steffanx is a big fan of Terry
2022-07-28T23:34:09 < Steffanx> Lolno
2022-07-28T23:38:32 < machinehum> PaulFertser: We should port openocd to TempleOS
2022-07-28T23:54:14 < machinehum> Zephyr is quite nice
2022-07-28T23:54:27 < machinehum> Very steep learning curve
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2022-07-29T00:02:06 < zyp> karlp, for the ADC common blocks, what do you think about renaming them from ADC_COMMON1 and ADC_COMMON3 to ADC12 and ADC345 respectively?
2022-07-29T00:03:14 < zyp> RM refers to the registers as e.g. ADC12_CCR and ADC345_CCR
2022-07-29T00:03:26 < zyp> «ADCx common control register (ADCx_CCR) (x = 12 or 345)»
2022-07-29T00:10:11 < zyp> hmm, maybe it's a bit silly for stm32wb to have an ADC12 when there's no ADC2
2022-07-29T00:10:18 < zyp> whatever :)
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2022-07-29T02:33:55 < bitmask> buttercup
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2022-07-29T08:56:42 < Xogium> huh, possibly dumb question, but are qspi and sqi the same thing ?
2022-07-29T08:56:56 < Xogium> I keep seeing them used but never figured out
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2022-07-29T09:46:30 < PaulFertser> Xogium: qspi means 4 data lines can be used for data transfer. While regular SPI is just one line each direction.
2022-07-29T09:47:39 < Xogium> right
2022-07-29T09:47:45 < Xogium> so what about sqi ?
2022-07-29T09:48:09 < Xogium> jeez almost typoed that and typed sql instead hahaha
2022-07-29T09:49:48 < PaulFertser> Xogium: sqi doesn't sound familiar.
2022-07-29T09:49:58 < Xogium> I know right ?
2022-07-29T09:50:20 < Xogium> but I just saw that on mouser while checkout for getting my hands on a nor flash
2022-07-29T09:51:57 < PaulFertser> Xogium: probably it's just how "microchip" calls Quad-SPI.
2022-07-29T09:52:58 < Xogium> apparently stands for serial quad i/o
2022-07-29T09:53:24 < Xogium> confusing stuff
2022-07-29T09:54:46 < Xogium> hmm
2022-07-29T09:55:06 < Xogium> though this particular piece of info makes it sound like it is in fact different
2022-07-29T09:55:10 < Xogium> The Serial Quad I/O™ (SQI™) family of flash-memory devices features a six-wire, 4-bit I/O interface that allows for low-power, high-performance operation in a low pin-count package. SST26VF016B also supports full command-set compatibility to traditional Serial Peripheral Interface (SPI) protocol.
2022-07-29T09:56:15 < PaulFertser> It's probably just another (tm) name for the quad-spi as supported by other vendors.
2022-07-29T09:56:59 < Xogium> I suppose. Well, if its not, no big deal, won't waste much on it :p
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2022-07-29T12:08:00 < mawk> I'm brewing juice https://i.imgur.com/qOBq65C.jpeg
2022-07-29T12:14:07 < Steffanx> Shouldn't you be working mr mawk?
2022-07-29T12:14:40 < Steffanx> Still in the working from home business?
2022-07-29T12:18:27 < mawk> I'm in paris
2022-07-29T12:18:33 < mawk> to fix one of our installations
2022-07-29T12:18:53 < mawk> but my boss and the boss of client company are fighting a duel on who's going to pay for my trip so I'm waiting and doing nothing instead
2022-07-29T12:30:30 < Steffanx> Lol
2022-07-29T12:31:10 < zyp> ah, you're the ransom
2022-07-29T12:31:38 < mawk> lol
2022-07-29T12:32:17 < mawk> if I could find a big ladder and some nice tools I could do it alone and not need the client
2022-07-29T12:32:24 < mawk> but I'm probably not allowed to climb on a ladder
2022-07-29T12:32:29 < mawk> insurance won't pay if I break a bone
2022-07-29T12:32:57 < Xogium> mawk: get a climbing harness
2022-07-29T12:32:58 < Xogium> :p
2022-07-29T12:33:15 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-29T12:33:19 < mawk> but my bank account is empty
2022-07-29T12:33:28 < Xogium> dang
2022-07-29T12:34:16 < Xogium> speaking of climbing, I'm never doing that one again... I once got challenged to climb a climbing wall upside down
2022-07-29T12:34:34 < Xogium> if I failed I was forced to drink raw lemon juice
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2022-07-29T12:34:44 < mawk> I like raw lemon juice
2022-07-29T12:34:51 < mawk> I eat raw lemon too
2022-07-29T12:34:59 < mawk> sourness is the best taste
2022-07-29T12:35:10 < Xogium> that felt like a grenade of acid exploding in my mouth haha
2022-07-29T12:35:14 < Xogium> my jaw locked up
2022-07-29T12:36:32 < Xogium> but yeah climbing upside down is hard
2022-07-29T12:37:01 < mawk> Xogium: https://youtu.be/b2f36dM-vzw
2022-07-29T12:37:04 < mawk> Steffanx: https://youtu.be/b2f36dM-vzw
2022-07-29T12:37:08 < mawk> it's not hardcore I promise
2022-07-29T12:37:13 < mawk> it's french sung song
2022-07-29T12:38:20 < Xogium> lolz
2022-07-29T12:38:53 < Xogium> the first lyrics I heard because I accidentally pressed up arrow to jump a minute forward in mpv were 'I'm in love with you'
2022-07-29T12:39:06 < mawk> lol
2022-07-29T12:39:08 < Xogium> I don't know how I should take this :D
2022-07-29T12:39:11 < mawk> yeah it speaks about a girl named Chloé
2022-07-29T12:39:17 < mawk> unless you're named Chloé you have nothing to fear
2022-07-29T12:39:24 < Xogium> hahaha
2022-07-29T12:41:05 < Xogium> sometimes things like that happen though. Like that time where I was talking with my father and I said something like, damn this falls just at the wrong time doesn't it ? Half a second later we heard a big boom. The bottle of soap my mother was using in the shower fell on its own
2022-07-29T12:41:42 < mawk> can you talk about money in my bank account? it might appear the same way
2022-07-29T12:41:52 < mawk> I'm at -1500€ currently
2022-07-29T12:42:10 < Xogium> or like when someone watches tv and you ask them a question and instead of them replying, the guys on tv choose that exact moment to say yes or no
2022-07-29T12:42:31 < Xogium> ahahah dang I wish
2022-07-29T12:42:56 < Xogium> I remember all too well how it is being tight on money :/
2022-07-29T12:43:00 < mawk> yesterday I was chilling on a bench in paris 20
2022-07-29T12:43:08 < mawk> and someone wheeled in a handicapped motherfucker in front of me
2022-07-29T12:43:16 < mawk> someone fed up with him probably
2022-07-29T12:43:28 < mawk> then he started talking to me, asking me to write stuff for him, asking me to find a nurse for him
2022-07-29T12:43:35 < mawk> so I had pity for him so I did it
2022-07-29T12:43:39 < mawk> but then he kept wanting stuff
2022-07-29T12:43:46 < mawk> so I wheeled him into a pharmacy and left him there
2022-07-29T12:45:10 < Xogium> yeah its hard to deal with handicapped folks sometimes. I know how that is, friend of mine at school was blind and, what's the word ? Trisomic, I think
2022-07-29T12:45:57 < mawk> yeah
2022-07-29T12:46:01 < mawk> down syndrome
2022-07-29T12:46:06 < mawk> in the language of shakespeare
2022-07-29T12:46:40 < Xogium> even for me its difficult to deal with folks like that. I guess having one disability doesn't mean you understand fully how it is for others
2022-07-29T12:49:01 < Xogium> but I think society shouldn't try and keep disabled people separate from everyone else, specially not for education. The moment they are left to roam free in the world, it can turn into a complete disaster because they aren't used to the normal world and just the same for the normal world being not used to them
2022-07-29T12:50:05 < Xogium> seen lots of people actually freezing and not being able to reply when I say hello to them
2022-07-29T12:50:40 < Xogium> sometimes I make myself the reflection that they should have a jtag debugger attached
2022-07-29T12:50:43 < Xogium> :D
2022-07-29T12:52:08 < mawk> lol
2022-07-29T13:02:17 < jpa-> sadly most people come only with this terribly slow acoustic debug interface
2022-07-29T13:03:07 < Xogium> jpa-: yeah it sucks
2022-07-29T13:03:10 < Xogium> ^^
2022-07-29T13:10:51 < mawk> well french bureaucracy struck
2022-07-29T13:10:55 < mawk> I can't intervene on site
2022-07-29T13:10:58 < mawk> because it's vacation time
2022-07-29T13:11:07 < mawk> I guess I'll take vacation next week then
2022-07-29T13:11:21 < mawk> no climbing up ladders for me
2022-07-29T13:15:16 < mawk> the client is angry because the project isn't finished, but the client prevents us from intervening on site because we didn't sign up form RF5341-B-12 2 weeks in advance
2022-07-29T13:15:24 < mawk> vive la france
2022-07-29T13:15:35 < mawk> client is the paris regional transport authority, RATP
2022-07-29T13:16:04 < mawk> "autonomous authority of parisian transports"
2022-07-29T13:16:49 < zyp> jpa-, how clever do I have to be about sampling the motor currents? I've got the opamp and adc and dma and all the shit configured to sample the right inputs, just missing triggering to sample in the middle of the pwm low period, currently just running continously, do I need to filter it afterwards?
2022-07-29T13:17:08 < zyp> and how much resolution do I reasonably need?
2022-07-29T13:19:00 < zyp> zero current is biased to 129mV or so, so I've set the opamp to 16x gain, which will give me a resolution of 34 LSB/A
2022-07-29T13:19:15 < zyp> or 29 mA/LSB
2022-07-29T13:20:21 < zyp> when idle, I'm seeing noise of around ±3LSB
2022-07-29T13:20:22 < jpa-> you can calculate the smallest torque you want to run, and the current that it would need; you probably want at least 10 LSB worth of ADC reading at the lowest torque for FOC to make sense, though sometimes it makes sense to not try to keep 90° phase angle at lowest torques
2022-07-29T13:21:39 < jpa-> in one project i did it so that in the FOC target current calculation, I always added a small amount of current in the direction of the rotor - that keeps it running in synchronous speed if the load is very small and there is not much torque current needed
2022-07-29T13:22:51 < zyp> also, you said something that instead of doing the transforms back and forth, I could just regulate the current directly
2022-07-29T13:23:01 < jpa-> i haven't had need to filter the ADC readings for current control loop (the I term in PI-controller is a low pass filter anyway), but i often take a long average for purposes like estimating heating or power usage or average torque
2022-07-29T13:23:22 < zyp> i.e. just run the desired current through the transform and then run a direct controller on each phase?
2022-07-29T13:23:32 < jpa-> yeah, that is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_torque_control
2022-07-29T13:24:10 < jpa-> at simplest it can be on-off control executed fast enough, but using timer PWM reduces the CPU load because you can get away with a bit slower control loop
2022-07-29T13:25:25 < jpa-> nice thing about DTC is that the motor sound becomes white noise instead of a harmonic whine (though i guess with properly tuned everything, the noise generated by control should be minimal.. i haven't seen such a system :)
2022-07-29T13:36:55 < zyp> hmm, any examples? anything I find on DTC are still doing transforms so I'm not sure I understand it correctly
2022-07-29T13:46:05 < jpa-> you do still typically need a transform to get the target current direction from the rotor orientation
2022-07-29T13:47:22 < jpa-> in sensorless system you would have the BEMF voltage for each phase and could just normalize that vector to get the target current for each phase, but i don't think the difference in computation is very large vs. just doing the vector -> three phases transform
2022-07-29T13:47:45 < jpa-> you don't need to update the target current every time you run current loop
2022-07-29T13:48:53 < zyp> yeah, that's fine, but everybody still appears to be transforming the sensed current back to a complex number
2022-07-29T13:49:13 < jpa-> hmm, that shouldn't be necessary
2022-07-29T13:49:50 < zyp> why am I not finding examples of people not doing that then?
2022-07-29T13:54:31 < mawk> because we love complex numbers
2022-07-29T13:55:22 < jpa-> zyp: http://paste.dy.fi/yGg/plain  this is the basic scheme like i have understood and implemented it
2022-07-29T13:55:31 < jpa-> zyp: what kind of examples have you found?
2022-07-29T13:57:02 < jpa-> i had a bit of trouble finding any good examples of DTC control, beyond the basic explanations
2022-07-29T13:57:29 < zyp> I'm mostly looking at block diagrams on google image search :)
2022-07-29T13:58:30 < jpa-> ah, many of those seem to be doing the transforms for the sensorless rotor direction estimation (which would then also go in the slow loop)
2022-07-29T13:59:26 < jpa-> my feeling is that having two different speed control loops is necessary for DTC to make any sense, but it seems most block diagrams don't show any separation between slow/fast
2022-07-29T14:01:48 < zyp> how about instead of having a fast loop, just feed the target currents through DACs into comparators and control the transistors directly from that? :)
2022-07-29T14:02:25 < jpa-> possible, though you'd need to add some kind of deadtime & glitch filtering
2022-07-29T14:02:32 < zyp> yeah
2022-07-29T14:03:44 < jpa-> if the comparators are very fast, it could end up switching the MOSFETs all the time, but that is easy to solve by lowpassing the feedback
2022-07-29T14:03:56 < jpa-> and/or adding hysteresis
2022-07-29T14:04:21 < jpa-> i haven't used hysteresis in software implementation but i guess it would make sense in hardware
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2022-07-29T14:08:20 < jpa-> mechaduino uses A4954 motor driver to implement the current control for stepper motor in hardware, it is quite nice solution in that the slow arduino-based code only needs to output the target current X and Y components
2022-07-29T14:09:15 < jpa-> the internal block diagram of A4954 shows exactly that, comparator between current sense and reference input; and then a box that magically does MOSFET control logic :)
2022-07-29T14:12:54 < mawk> happy hardcore: https://youtu.be/1LOrRGmaDwA
2022-07-29T14:13:02 < mawk> delicacy for your eardrums
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2022-07-29T16:49:12 < jpa-> https://i.imgur.com/wXNQP8G.jpeg    <-- how nkon.nl ships batteries
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2022-07-29T16:53:50 < BrainDamage> they didn't mix gasoline in the styrofoam
2022-07-29T16:56:57 < qyx> jpa-: yours?
2022-07-29T16:57:35 < jpa-> qyx: nah, friend is rebuilding some scooter battery pack
2022-07-29T16:58:09 < qyx> I assume li-ion unprotected
2022-07-29T16:58:32 < qyx> they could ship directly to .ua to use as amunition
2022-07-29T16:58:57 < BrainDamage> you just have to shake it enough to activate it, no need for a gun
2022-07-29T16:59:16 < jpa-> apparently there is plastic wrap on each cell, so no immediate shorts but still seems dodgy
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2022-07-29T17:24:40 < jpa-> https://www.digikey.fi/en/products/detail/littelfuse-inc/0215010-MXF60P/4285806    eh, misled by image yet again; these fuses have legs :D
2022-07-29T17:25:46 < jpa-> hopefully they'll still fit a normal fuse holder if i cut the legs off
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2022-07-29T17:33:24 < unrznbl[m]> anyone know offhand if stm32f103(c6?) aka blue pill boards are capable of USB OTG? Maybe in NuttX or otherwise? I was interested in hooking up a USB keyboard to one.
2022-07-29T17:33:52 < jpa-> AFAIK no, i think STM32F103 only has USB device side
2022-07-29T17:34:27 < unrznbl[m]> ok, yeah I saw in datasheet USB 2.0 full-speed, not too familiar with USB specifics and such, thanks!
2022-07-29T17:34:55 < jpa-> they can probably do USB low-speed bitbang host in software, if you have usb low-speed keyboard
2022-07-29T17:35:24 < unrznbl[m]> right... makes sense...
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2022-07-29T18:13:40 < zyp> yeah, you can probably bitbank LS if you really want to, but it's probably easier to just grab a part with the OTG core
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2022-07-29T19:04:49 < mawk> Laurence_b ??????
2022-07-29T19:04:52 < mawk> why do you have an underscore
2022-07-29T19:04:57 < mawk> are you an usurper?
2022-07-29T19:05:33 < mawk> jpa-: mine were shipped wrapped in cellophane
2022-07-29T19:05:45 < mawk> it was 30 18650s
2022-07-29T19:05:53 < mawk> wrapped by packs of 10
2022-07-29T19:14:32 < Laurence_b> mawk: original id got b&
2022-07-29T19:14:52 < mawk> lol
2022-07-29T19:14:53 < mawk> why
2022-07-29T19:15:17 < mawk> I don't think you're supposed to come back if it's banned
2022-07-29T19:15:32 < mawk> you should at least hide
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2022-07-29T19:27:55 < Laurence_b> sheeet
2022-07-29T19:28:10 < Laurence_b> I just turned 1L of milk into yogurt
2022-07-29T19:28:18 < Laurence_b> noice
2022-07-29T19:28:20 < mawk> by adding lime?
2022-07-29T19:28:33 < Laurence_b> by adding a few drops of live yogurt
2022-07-29T19:28:47 < Laurence_b> tastes nice too
2022-07-29T19:34:31 < BrainDamage> Laurence_b's diy'ing biological weapons based off botulin
2022-07-29T19:40:58 < mawk> lol
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2022-07-29T20:13:31 < Laurence_b> is yogurt meant to be made at high or low temperatures?
2022-07-29T20:15:16 < englishman> you heat it up to denature it (82C/180F or so) then cool it down to a good temp for the bacteria, i use 43C/110F
2022-07-29T20:15:59 < englishman> then let it sit at that temp for 12 hours with a spoon of yogurt, then it goes in a yogurt strainer in the fridge
2022-07-29T20:18:56 < Laurence_b> interesting, thanks
2022-07-29T20:19:15 < Laurence_b> this was an accident due to contamination
2022-07-29T20:19:23 < Laurence_b> it was at 5C for 36hours
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2022-07-29T21:30:43 < Laurence_b> https://energyhouse2.salford.ac.uk/energy-house-labs/barratt-z-house/
2022-07-29T21:30:47 < Laurence_b> kekking hard
2022-07-29T21:31:23 < Laurence_b> Putin house
2022-07-29T22:09:43 < mawk> 1·2·3·4 + 2·3·4·5 + 3·4·5·6 + 4·5·6·7 + 5·6·7·8 = 6·7·8·9
2022-07-29T22:09:47 < mawk> isn't that beautiful?
2022-07-29T22:09:56 < mawk> also 1·2·3 + 2·3·4 + 3·4·5 + 4·5·6 = 5·6·7
2022-07-29T22:11:24 < mawk> and 1·2 + 2·3 + 3·4 = 4·5
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2022-07-29T22:11:57 < mawk> the pattern continues to ∞
2022-07-29T22:13:08 < mawk> prove the pattern zyp it's a nice exercise to start the weekend
2022-07-29T22:17:40 < mawk> the generic pattern hiding behind this one is actually 1[N] + 2[N] + ... + n[N] = (n+1)[N+1]/(N+1)
2022-07-29T22:17:52 < mawk> where we define x[N] := x(x-1)...(x-N+1)
2022-07-29T22:17:57 < mawk> it's the "falling exponent"
2022-07-29T22:18:21 < zyp> ok
2022-07-29T22:18:52 < mawk> it's easy using your telescope
2022-07-29T22:21:50 < zyp> jpa-, when I ordered batteries from nkon, they came in a similar looking box with the same foam filling, but the cells were also separated by a cardboard grid
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2022-07-29T23:22:27 < machinehum> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3rXdeOvhNE&ab_channel=RoadrunnerRecords
2022-07-29T23:24:42 < machinehum> https://imgur.com/a/c7ODaaT
2022-07-29T23:26:30 < machinehum> Nothing?
2022-07-29T23:26:34 < machinehum> Common that's gold
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2022-07-29T23:39:01 < Laurence_B> kek machinehum
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2022-07-29T23:49:36 < karlp> zyp: yea those common blocks are a bit hard to do well.  I think in locm3 I finalised on ADC_COMMON1 and aliased as ADC_COMMON12
2022-07-29T23:54:01 < zyp> that's a bit annoyingly long, so I settled on ADC12 and ADC345 for now, but it's also possible to do more clever stuff
2022-07-29T23:54:38 < zyp> could e.g. not have them as separate blocks at all and do ADC1->COMMON->BLAH
2022-07-29T23:55:14 < zyp> or the opposite way around, having ADC12 as the top level and the individual blocks nested
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2022-07-30T00:02:12 < karlp> ADCn and ADCCn perhaps?
2022-07-30T00:02:44 < karlp> I'm easy. I have no production shit using this, so rename at will :)
2022-07-30T00:03:58 < zyp> already renamed to ADC12 and ADC345, so I figure they can remain like that until somebody comes up with something more clever
2022-07-30T00:04:01 < zyp> it's bikeshedding anyway
2022-07-30T00:04:48 < zyp> what I'd rather want is a good abstraction around this, but there's so much interaction between different peripherals that I don't see how that'll ever make anything easier
2022-07-30T00:06:52 < karlp> yeah, I decided I wanted it to be same style as the rest of new shit first, and then write code, see what user APIs might shake out.
2022-07-30T00:07:05 < karlp> instead of "write shitty little poitnless helpers, see if theyre useful"
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2022-07-30T00:14:45 < zyp> indeed
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2022-07-30T10:37:04 < phryk> I want to do some fancy high-power LED stuff, so I'm trying to find out which STM32 lines have how many hardware PWM channels, but that info doesn't seem to be in any overview. Do I have to manually check the datasheet for every single STM32 controller?
2022-07-30T10:59:59 < jpa-> probably, though that is made easier now that there aren't many STM32 models you can buy anyway
2022-07-30T11:02:41 < phryk> oof^^
2022-07-30T11:03:06 < phryk> well, i just ordered a bunch of 50W RGB leds.^^
2022-07-30T11:03:48 < jpa-> at such power levels, it might make sense to use a proper SMPS LED driver chip to control them
2022-07-30T11:04:14 < jpa-> instead of having huge current spikes
2022-07-30T11:05:38 < phryk> huh? i was thinking of just using some big mosfets…
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2022-07-30T11:11:01 < phryk> jpa-: can you elaborate on whatever the thing you talked about is?
2022-07-30T11:12:55 < jpa-> if you just use big mosfets to switch the power on and off to the LEDs, you get big current spikes every time the LEDs switch on
2022-07-30T11:13:28 < jpa-> if you use a switch mode power supply design, the LED current is more stable and typically also efficiency is improved
2022-07-30T11:13:57 < jpa-> are those LEDs designed for constant voltage (internal resistor) or for constant current drive?
2022-07-30T11:14:51 < Xogium> huh, speaking of lead time ans availability it looks like I'm somehow lucky.. The mcu I'm interested in has a lead time of 17 weeks. Some in that serie have ones of 53 weeks or more
2022-07-30T11:15:28 < Xogium> it... could have been a lot worse, I suppose
2022-07-30T11:16:47 < jpa-> yeah, it could be they won't meet even the 53 week lead time either :)
2022-07-30T11:16:55 < Xogium> yeah, what I'm thinking
2022-07-30T11:17:41 < Xogium> especially that I think this serie is one of the most wanted
2022-07-30T11:17:45 < Xogium> the l4 one
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2022-07-30T12:08:14 < phryk> jpa-: no idea (re: led design), ordered them here https://www.ebay.at/itm/182372454562?hash=item2a763ed0a2:g:PgAAAOSwEzxYQfs4
2022-07-30T12:09:13 < phryk> told the seller to send me the datasheet via e-mail, if there is one.^^
2022-07-30T12:09:23 < jpa-> so, constant current
2022-07-30T12:10:05 < jpa-> you'll need some way to do current regulation in any case, just sticking a voltage on them would burn the LED
2022-07-30T12:13:56 < zyp> phryk, how many PWM channels do you need?
2022-07-30T12:14:42 < zyp> I think pretty much everything will have at least 16
2022-07-30T12:14:54 < phryk> zyp: at least 12, and i want to do at least 100 updates of the brightness value  per second
2022-07-30T12:15:36 < zyp> yeah, pretty much everything except the low-lowend ones will do 12 easily
2022-07-30T12:16:30 < phryk>  does that include the stm32f0 or is that that low-lowend you're talking about?
2022-07-30T12:17:06 < zyp> f0 and g0 are lowend, but there's variation between those as well
2022-07-30T12:17:45 < zyp> e.g. f0 might have enough timer channels, but the tssop20 package might not have enough brought out to physical pins
2022-07-30T12:28:41 < zyp> if I'm counting right, f042 in tssop20 can output 11 timer channels at once
2022-07-30T12:30:08 < zyp> internally it got 17 channels, so that's what the qfp48 could do
2022-07-30T12:30:40 < zyp> or 15 maybe, not sure
2022-07-30T12:30:58 < zyp> and that's before you start looking for conflicts with other stuff you need that uses the same pins
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2022-07-30T12:39:16 < phryk> zyp: so… if i use at least an f1, i should probably be good?^^
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2022-07-30T12:53:16 < zyp> probably, although f1 is more restrictive on what combinations of peripherals you're using
2022-07-30T12:53:51 < zyp> and it still depends on what other IO you're gonna be using
2022-07-30T12:54:01 < phryk> this will only need usb to get the color data in and the pwm outputs to drive mosfets.
2022-07-30T12:55:06 < zyp> I'd consider stmg0b1 in qfp48, LCSC had 6k in stock last I checked
2022-07-30T12:55:10 < phryk> afaik all stm32 have some kinda UART and all of them should be good enough to handle 9600 baud, which would exactly fit 100 updates per second for 12 channels. :P
2022-07-30T12:55:22 < zyp> I thought you said USB
2022-07-30T12:56:05 < phryk> am i mixing things up again? UART is the thing on the chip that allows me to establish a serial connection via USB, no?
2022-07-30T12:56:35 < zyp> no
2022-07-30T12:57:53 < zyp> UARTs are plain serial ports, nothing to do with USB
2022-07-30T12:59:34 < phryk> ah, alright. then no idea how i wanna do input^^
2022-07-30T12:59:51 < zyp> you want USB
2022-07-30T13:00:03 < zyp> https://lcsc.com/product-detail/ST-Microelectronics_STMicroelectronics-STM32G0B1CBT6_C2847904.html
2022-07-30T13:00:18 < zyp> this is available and probably a good fit for what you want to do
2022-07-30T13:01:10 < phryk> *bookmark*
2022-07-30T13:01:35 < phryk> will have to see about getting a roughly compatible devboard to do prototyping with…
2022-07-30T13:10:31 < phryk> https://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-mpu-eval-tools/stm32-mcu-mpu-eval-tools/stm32-nucleo-boards/nucleo-g0b1re.html seems to be the only devboard with g0b1 on it…
2022-07-30T13:33:24 < Xogium> booooored
2022-07-30T13:49:47 < Steffanx> Time for a bicycle trip Xogium 
2022-07-30T13:49:58 < Xogium> ahahah
2022-07-30T13:51:02 < Xogium> I can sort of do that, but I have to get on a tendem bike with someone, or be in a relatively safe area where I can bike on my own but I still have to keep the small training wheels lol. Otherwise it goes, ground 1, xogium 0 in about 5 seconds
2022-07-30T13:51:03 < Steffanx> I'm sure it would be boring 😉
2022-07-30T13:51:08 < Steffanx> Wont*
2022-07-30T13:51:09 < Steffanx> Lol
2022-07-30T13:51:52 < jpa-> you need a train track bike.. and preferrably abandoned track, or fast legs
2022-07-30T13:52:00 < Xogium> hehehehe
2022-07-30T13:52:42 < Xogium> but yeah I could never quite get the balance required to keep from falling down from a bike
2022-07-30T13:54:21 < Xogium> probably has something to do with the way I walk in general. I heard sighted people tend to lean forward when walking, to watch their step or something like that
2022-07-30T13:54:27 < Steffanx> Get a tricycle 
2022-07-30T13:54:29 < Xogium> I do the exact oposite, I lean backwards
2022-07-30T13:55:43 < Xogium> which translates to, its super easy to make me take a tumble, because I'm out of balance all the time
2022-07-30T13:59:04 < Xogium> heh that also reminds me the first time I tried a treadmill. Holding the 2 handles on the side was fine. But the guy who made me try it went like, try to not hold this. I fell down, got way too dizzy lol
2022-07-30T13:59:54 < Xogium> life is fun
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2022-07-30T19:20:48 < catphish> motor tuning by guesswork is surprisingly boring!
2022-07-30T19:23:08 < catphish> i'm trying to work out the correct balance of voltage vs current in my motor to give optimal torque with minimal current
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2022-07-30T19:23:49 < catphish> obviously more power with less current means more voltage (simples), but there comes a point where the motor just turns the extra voltage into heat
2022-07-30T19:24:26 < catphish> so i'm going through this rather boring exercise of guesswork and charting: https://openinverter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43306#p43306
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2022-07-30T19:27:04 < jpa-> catphish: maybe you can run a set of acceleration curves with different parameters automatically
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2022-07-30T19:27:48 < catphish> jpa-: i would, were it not for the fact that the motor is in my car
2022-07-30T19:28:13 < catphish> i could potentially do it with the car raised off the ground
2022-07-30T19:28:42 < catphish> but i fear with no load it will accelerate too fact for the results to be meaningful
2022-07-30T19:28:47 < catphish> *too fast
2022-07-30T19:29:30 < jpa-> it can run in reverse too? so just make it go back and forth down your home street :)
2022-07-30T19:31:04 < catphish> that's near enough what i'm doing, but manually
2022-07-30T19:31:29 < catphish> not sure it would go down well if i did it unattended :D
2022-07-30T19:31:33 < BrainDamage> you could automatically switch between different parameters during drive
2022-07-30T19:31:44 < BrainDamage> and monitor performance for each
2022-07-30T19:32:05 < BrainDamage> as long as you don't pick something catastrophic, it'll be just a drive with worse efficiency
2022-07-30T19:32:32 < BrainDamage> plus it's going to be fun having the car behaving differently from 10 min before
2022-07-30T19:32:43 < catphish> well, now that i've discounted the ridiculous / dangerous extremes, that might work well
2022-07-30T19:33:06 < catphish> ideally i need a consistent test though.
2022-07-30T19:33:35 < catphish> 0-60 at full throttle is a good test because 1) if it's going to draw too much current, that's when it'll happen 2) it's easy to be consistent
2022-07-30T19:34:22 < jpa-> i wonder if you could adjust it on the fly, like MPPT controllers do
2022-07-30T19:35:01 < catphish> for what purpose?
2022-07-30T19:35:05 < BrainDamage> yes, you call it "machine learning", aka multivariate convex vector descent
2022-07-30T19:35:17 < BrainDamage> to find the optimum
2022-07-30T19:35:21 < BrainDamage> in one go
2022-07-30T19:35:24 < jpa-> catphish: automatically, to adapt to changing situation
2022-07-30T19:35:44 < catphish> there should be one answer that's good for all situations
2022-07-30T19:35:59 < catphish> it' s just a matter of finding it
2022-07-30T19:36:07 < BrainDamage> did you save the past data values?
2022-07-30T19:36:15 < catphish> sure
2022-07-30T19:36:22 < jpa-> i bet at least load torque, motor temperature and motor RPM affect it
2022-07-30T19:36:47 < BrainDamage> control electronics' temp will affect it more than the motor
2022-07-30T19:36:50 < catphish> jpa-: torque and rpm are the inputs, yes (i ignore temperature)
2022-07-30T19:37:17 < catphish> jpa-: the algorithm is torque + rpm => voltage + frequency
2022-07-30T19:37:28 < jpa-> true, control electronics temperature and battery temperature + charge status will also affect it, if you want to optimize whole system efficiency and not just motor efficiency
2022-07-30T19:37:29 < BrainDamage> catphish: have you tried plotting the various values to see if there's a convexity?
2022-07-30T19:37:35 < catphish> for every value of torque and RPM there is an optimal voltage and frequency
2022-07-30T19:38:58 < catphish> BrainDamage: i've not got enough data points for that yet,, but now that i know the ballpack it would be nice to do a more consistent set of tests
2022-07-30T19:39:59 < jpa-> does your motor controller have the capability to measure rotor field angle vs. stator field angle (e.g. backemf measurement)?
2022-07-30T19:41:16 < catphish> jpa-: it has current sensors, which mean that in theory yes, but in practice the maths is too complicated for me, and for the person who wrote this implementation
2022-07-30T19:41:39 < catphish> if i knew the rotor field angle, this would be a trivial exercise
2022-07-30T19:41:48 < jpa-> yes :)
2022-07-30T19:42:15 < jpa-> but i agree the measurement is not easy to arrange in high power stuff
2022-07-30T19:42:16 < catphish> but calculating that angle from EMF and current is something i've tried and failed to do in the past :)
2022-07-30T19:44:01 < catphish> so what i'm trying to do instead is just find the correct balance of current (controlled by slip) and voltage
2022-07-30T19:44:07 < jpa-> if you have a long hill with flat slope nearby, you could drive up it at a constant speed while commanding the controller to sweep the voltage - then you would directly see the optimal ratio for the RPM you were going at
2022-07-30T19:45:42 < jpa-> though i guess with some processing, you'll get the same info from the acceleration curves
2022-07-30T19:48:05 < catphish> right now the plan is basically just to move the slip in increments, each time adjusting the voltage so that the current ends up the same as before, and compare acceletation
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2022-07-30T19:48:27 < catphish> if the same current gives faster acceleration then i can conclude that i've found a superior value of slip
2022-07-30T19:48:40 < jpa-> are you comparing just average acceleration or the instantaneous acceleration vs. RPM?
2022-07-30T19:49:49 < catphish> right now i'm just comparing 0-60mph time, i realise this isn't perfect but since the software doesn't allow slip to vary with speed, it's going to produce the most useful overall result
2022-07-30T19:50:32 < catphish> with that said, i can easily differentiate the speed values and plot acceleration across the whole range afterwards to see if there's any bad points
2022-07-30T19:51:43 < catphish> basically the data points i have are: speed (which can be differentiated to get acceleration), AC current, and DC current (both of which i want to keep within a specific limit to avoid damage)
2022-07-30T19:52:24 < catphish> i also have the temperatures of the motor and IGBT heatsink, but those are bascally just a function of AC current and time
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2022-07-30T21:11:40 < machinehum> Does ST make any baby little bga packages with 8 pins
2022-07-30T21:14:02 < catphish> that project seems like a good idea poorly implemented
2022-07-30T21:16:30 < catphish> much better to make the activation mechanism select one half of the flash or the other so that the stick can present innocent contents when not activated
2022-07-30T21:22:54 < benishor> https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/07/stop-saying-hypersonic-missiles-cant-be-killed-because-they-are-mach-5-fast/
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2022-07-31T02:59:39 < Laurence_b> >actually get to watch POW castration livestream
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2022-07-31T21:13:19 < bulletsquid> trying to use stm32cubeide on linux and it crashes on startup after creating a workspace. I don't seem to be getting any logs in the console either :/
2022-07-31T21:46:11 < jpa-> you're better off that way
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2022-07-31T22:11:11 < zyp> :)
2022-07-31T22:14:59 < zyp> karlp, ended up ordering a t3b with both the t210 and t115 handles, curious to see how they compares
2022-07-31T22:15:35 < zyp> also ordered a rd6024
2022-07-31T22:16:19 < srk> cool. we're gonna build couple of these https://github.com/Jana-Marie/Otter-Iron-PRO
2022-07-31T22:16:41 < zyp> nice
2022-07-31T22:17:54 < srk> I've tried hooking up t210 to lab psu to test it and like wow
2022-07-31T22:18:01 < srk> time for a controller
2022-07-31T22:18:19 < zyp> I've already got a TS80P to cover my USB-PD soldering needs
2022-07-31T22:18:39 < zyp> (and I've yet to find a good reason to use it for anything)
2022-07-31T22:18:40 < srk> ts100 is my daily driver but some stuff needs watts
2022-07-31T22:18:53 < srk> like rc connectors / rc lipos
2022-07-31T22:19:33 < zyp> my daily driver is still the old weller ws80 I've got sitting on my desk
2022-07-31T22:20:47 < srk> what I like about ts100 is that I can carry it around with just 4s lipo hooked up
2022-07-31T22:20:59 < srk> rarely connect it to PSUs
2022-07-31T22:22:01 < srk> I'm gonna need some USB-PD power bank for the otter iron heh
2022-07-31T22:22:08 < zyp> what I like about the ts80p is that it's great to keep in the travel bag, can just plug the laptop supply into it
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2022-07-31T22:23:02 < srk> yep. I always carry the ts100 with me when I go flying, I can just plug a lipo from quad into it and fix the quad :D
2022-07-31T22:23:03 < zyp> I don't have a PD power bank yet, but I can just grab one as soon as I need a battery powered solder iron
2022-07-31T22:23:56 < zyp> I bring my laptop (with PSU) way more often than I bring lipo packs ;)
2022-07-31T22:24:36 < srk> hehe. I don't carry laptops around much nowadays. only for the initial betaflight tuning session
2022-07-31T22:25:09 < srk> my x230 is hooked up to a 3d printer atm, booted from usb key. older x200 is like a youtube/twich terminal
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2022-07-31T22:33:10 < bulletsquid> jpa-: how so? i dont see any guides for stm32 dev that says to use anything else
2022-07-31T22:33:41 < zyp> moses didn't need a guide either
2022-07-31T22:35:41 < bulletsquid> that doesnt really help me get on the right path
2022-07-31T22:36:05 < karlp> zyp: nice, youve used real jbc stuff too right? good comparison then
2022-07-31T22:36:19 < srk> bulletsquid: hey :) what are you trying to do?
2022-07-31T22:36:32 < zyp> karlp, well, yeah, but that was >8 years ago
2022-07-31T22:36:33 < karlp> I've only got the weller cartridge system at work, that I don't like much, and my ~25yo hakko 936
2022-07-31T22:37:43 < bulletsquid> srk: Hi! I have an stm32h750 devkit that i want to play with. But not sure where to even start... docs from st say to use stm32cubeide but that isnt even working on my machine
2022-07-31T22:38:49 < srk> bulletsquid: try libopencm3, cube stuff is terrible except for pin mapping and clock tree configurators (cubemx)
2022-07-31T22:39:40 < srk> or even baremetal, or something in the midle like LL drivers
2022-07-31T22:39:47 < srk> or rust! :D
2022-07-31T22:40:15 < karlp> fucking, can't push my own branch to my own repo because of oocd gerrit hook shits.
2022-07-31T22:40:22 < zyp> hah
2022-07-31T22:40:43 < srk> you need more --force switches
2022-07-31T22:40:46 < bulletsquid> srk: awesome, thats a good start. i have another question though. what would be the difference of using something like libopencm3 vs installing nuttx on it?
2022-07-31T22:40:47 < karlp> ther's a commit-msg hook, but i've disabled that, 
2022-07-31T22:40:55 < karlp> and I can't see what's doing a push hook anyway
2022-07-31T22:41:25 < karlp> nope, -f doesn't help
2022-07-31T22:41:27 < srk> bulletsquid: it's like framework vs RTOS (nuttx is also sort of a framework with RTOS..)
2022-07-31T22:42:11 < srk> I was just kidding
2022-07-31T22:42:12  * srk runs
2022-07-31T22:45:08 < srk> bulletsquid: it all depends on what kind of fw you're going to build. rtos might be overkill at first if you don't need scheduling/tasks
2022-07-31T22:45:29 < bulletsquid> it has an lcd screen so i might do some gui stuff with it
2022-07-31T22:45:35 < bulletsquid> so i think scheduling will be needed eventually
2022-07-31T22:46:21 < bulletsquid> but im all new to this so getting a blinking led would be a great start :)
2022-07-31T22:47:14 < srk> :)) try it with libopencm3, baremetal and with rtos to get a feel for all these
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2022-07-31T22:49:34 < jpa-> chibios is worth trying also
2022-07-31T22:50:01 < srk> very posixy!
2022-07-31T22:50:08 < jpa-> and if you like python, no reason not to throw micropython in the mix too
2022-07-31T22:50:16 < srk> eww
2022-07-31T22:50:50 < srk> very jittery
2022-07-31T22:51:11 < jpa-> why jittery?
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2022-07-31T23:01:05 < Steffanx> Why isnt Haksell in the mix yet?
2022-07-31T23:01:16 < Steffanx> with its towery things
2022-07-31T23:03:08 < srk> no h7 sup :(
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2022-07-31T23:04:47 < Steffanx> ah too bad
2022-07-31T23:05:33 < srk> more cores break many assumptions in my "hal" generator
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2022-07-31T23:06:10 < srk> and I'm a bit skeptical about investing significant time into supporting new ST chips atm
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2022-07-31T23:24:06 < catphish> turns out our women are good at football!
2022-07-31T23:28:16 < Steffanx> No, they are better than the other women
2022-07-31T23:29:02 < Steffanx> Also: Soccer
2022-07-31T23:35:31 < karlp> srk: but ivory towers.... perfections? what do you mean it doesn't support more htan one core...
2022-07-31T23:39:32 < srk> karlp: it's complicated. the tooling I wrote for generating all the hardware related boilerplate doesn't cope well with some h7 nowelties. not that it's not impossible or something, freertos and generated C would work just fine but there's not enough motivation
2022-07-31T23:39:51 < begriffs> I'm using the default reset_handler from libopencm3, and it's causing a bus error (STKERR in particular) in the second instruction of the handler: push    {r3, r4, r5, lr}
2022-07-31T23:39:52 < srk> and I only have one h7 and it controls a quad xD
2022-07-31T23:40:17 < karlp> I'm just stirring shit, don't worry :) 
2022-07-31T23:40:22 < begriffs> Can't even make it to main() on my blue pill demo app, and running out of ideas
2022-07-31T23:40:28 < zyp> begriffs, sounds like your stack pointer is fucked up, check what value sp register has
2022-07-31T23:41:04 < karlp> begriffs: or, alternatively, check that your linker script or deviceid selection matches reality...
2022-07-31T23:41:24 < karlp> stack will default to end of ram, and if that's past the actual end of ram, you get that sort of behaviour.
2022-07-31T23:41:57 < zyp> that's the next step
2022-07-31T23:42:00 < qyx> 64/128k wizardry?
2022-07-31T23:42:10 < qyx> sorry thats flash
2022-07-31T23:42:13 < begriffs> Right after a reset halt, I'm sitting in reset_handler, and sp = 0x20004fd0
2022-07-31T23:42:13 < zyp> I like to see how it's fucked up before I go on to reason why it's fucked up
2022-07-31T23:42:31 < zyp> what part is this?
2022-07-31T23:43:31 < zyp> anyway, what I want to know is what sp is at the time of hardfault :)
2022-07-31T23:43:49 < zyp> 0x20004fd0 is just under 20k, i.e. sane for a device with 20k ram
2022-07-31T23:44:00 < karlp> Steffanx: awww, that's mean... just because your women suck.
2022-07-31T23:45:09 < begriffs> linker script looks like this: https://bpa.st/H63Q
2022-07-31T23:45:33 < zyp> yeah, that's consistent with the initial sp value
2022-07-31T23:45:47 < zyp> so again, what part is this? does it actually have 20k ram?
2022-07-31T23:47:29  * karlp is betting on no...
2022-07-31T23:47:30 < srk> karlp: I've gave it a shot tho! but the motivation.. I have no use for h7s myself
2022-07-31T23:47:57 < srk> who needs a 400mhz mcu?!
2022-07-31T23:48:17 < rajkosto> anyone driving a GUI
2022-07-31T23:48:25 < qyx> also, who needs more than 640k of ram
2022-07-31T23:48:27 < begriffs> I run next in gdb, and it still shows me as being on the open brace of the function, and sp becomes 0x20005000. I run next again, and I land in blocking_handler (the default assigned to bus fault). Then sp is back down at 4fd0
2022-07-31T23:48:50 < karlp> begriffs: so... again.... what part do you -actually- have :)
2022-07-31T23:49:45 < Steffanx> karlp: that too, but its still meh. 
2022-07-31T23:50:11 < Steffanx> The English must thank the dutch though, for the coach 
2022-07-31T23:50:45 < begriffs> I got this blue pill clone https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256802982930102.html
2022-07-31T23:50:52 < srk> rajkosto: at 200fps?
2022-07-31T23:51:02 < srk> that would be nice actually
2022-07-31T23:51:29 < karlp> begriffs: which one?
2022-07-31T23:51:34 < srk> this xeon seems to lag at like 10fps with much stuff open
2022-07-31T23:51:35 < karlp> c6 or c8?
2022-07-31T23:51:40 < qyx> begriffs: he is asking you to look at the chip and type the part number here
2022-07-31T23:51:42 < zyp> c6, presumably
2022-07-31T23:51:54  * karlp bets on that, yes :)
2022-07-31T23:52:05 < begriffs> c6t6
2022-07-31T23:52:17 < zyp> change to 10k in the linker script and try again
2022-07-31T23:52:21 < karlp> right so from that linke you sent, how much ram does the c6 have :) 
2022-07-31T23:52:29 < begriffs> Oh my god, it says 10k right on there
2022-07-31T23:52:34 < zyp> also 32k flash :)
2022-07-31T23:52:46 < begriffs> I didn't know they compromised these boards so much, thought a clone is a clone
2022-07-31T23:52:55 < begriffs> lol
2022-07-31T23:52:55 < karlp> a clone of what?
2022-07-31T23:53:01 < srk> of a clone
2022-07-31T23:53:14 < zyp> different parts have different specs, that's the whole thing about being different
2022-07-31T23:53:44 < karlp> oh, the table is for stm32, and the part description is cs32? even more fun :)
2022-07-31T23:53:52 < begriffs> A clone of some kind of STM32 official dev board called colloquially the "blue pill." But you're saying even the original things called blue pills are kind of unofficial
2022-07-31T23:54:00  * karlp lols
2022-07-31T23:54:03 < qyx> official?
2022-07-31T23:54:07 < karlp> there is no "officiaal" st blue pill
2022-07-31T23:54:26 < karlp> it's a fucking stupid name roger invented years ago for god knows what reason, it sure as shit isn't official in any way shape or form.
2022-07-31T23:54:30 < qyx> blue pill should have been dead in 2015
2022-07-31T23:54:43 < begriffs> Official in the sense that it would be listed somewhere on in ST's product lineup, with standard specs (ram, rom, etc)
2022-07-31T23:55:03 < karlp> people like begriffs keep going hurhhur where's my f103?!!!though, so CS and FMC and AP and all the others keep on churning them out... :)
2022-07-31T23:55:04 < qyx> no it is not official in any sense
2022-07-31T23:55:37 < rajkosto> what about the "new" bluepill with the 403f in QFN form
2022-07-31T23:55:42 < rajkosto> its almost as cheap
2022-07-31T23:55:59 < zyp> st doesn't even have a f403
2022-07-31T23:56:02 < rajkosto> but you get much more space and power and even a CDC usb bootloader
2022-07-31T23:56:24 < srk> isn't that blackpill?
2022-07-31T23:56:33 < begriffs> Ah, I guess the book I'm following specifies STM32F103C8T6, which as we've seen is different from what I got. derp
2022-07-31T23:56:42 < rajkosto> STM32F401 Development Board STM32F401CCU6 STM32F411CEU6 STM32F4 Learning Board
2022-07-31T23:56:50 < rajkosto> yeah its the blackest pill of all
2022-07-31T23:57:03 < karlp> and they have the standard ST DFU bootloader, not CDC...
2022-07-31T23:57:44 < srk> why no red pill..
2022-07-31T23:58:05 < karlp> iirc, there was at the time roger made that naming up...
2022-07-31T23:58:23 < karlp> but that vendor cleverly decided to stop building shitty f1 boards :)
2022-07-31T23:58:48 < karlp> https://stm32duinoforum.com/forum/wiki_subdomain/index_title_Red_Pill.html
2022-07-31T23:58:58 < srk> hah
2022-07-31T23:59:00 < qyx> also learning a 2009 or so micro in 2022..
2022-07-31T23:59:10  * qyx pulls out 68hc11
2022-07-31T23:59:23 < PaulFertser> beats learning avr in 2022 eh?
2022-07-31T23:59:25 < begriffs> What's a more powerful board with the same small form factor as the one I have?
2022-07-31T23:59:50 < karlp> begriffs: the f4 boards rajkosto mentioned, for starters.
2022-07-31T23:59:56 < srk> was flashing atmega2560 all day today
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