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2024-06-01T15:09:39 < karlp> pouch lipos from mini drone shis and watches and shit are supersmall, you shouldn't need custom?
2024-06-01T15:10:23 < karlp> ventYl: yeah, mstime() returns time in milliseconds, msdifftime returns floating point seconds between two interger millisecond timestamps..
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2024-06-01T17:24:45 < ventYl> karlp: ok, then it is something else, in driver space they have something like 50ns unit
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2024-06-01T19:30:40 < machinehum> I'm shopping around for a 480x480 DSI display ~2 inches that isn't round
2024-06-01T19:30:50 < machinehum> Square or rect.
2024-06-01T19:30:54 < machinehum> If anyone knows of one
2024-06-01T20:15:19 < karlp> ventYl: hmm? this is just more gross old code in $dayjob
2024-06-01T20:24:21 < ventYl> karlp: I've seen that granularity of 50ns when dealing with windows kernel space sound driver
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2024-06-01T23:14:35 < qyx> machinehum: about 3" 720x720?
2024-06-01T23:14:40 < qyx> I have one on a rpi-zero
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2024-06-02T02:24:59 < Laurenceb_> silly idea: use LVDS serialiser for video applications to connect a traction controller to traction inverter
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2024-06-02T02:47:36 < Laurenceb_> https://nitter.poast.org/memcculloch
2024-06-02T02:47:44 < Laurenceb_> we're gunna prove it I swear....
2024-06-02T02:50:09 < Laurenceb_> Q predicted em drive
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2024-06-02T03:34:28 < karlp> fuckin, my wife got drunk last night and has gambled on today's election result.
2024-06-02T03:34:31 < karlp> this is new.
2024-06-02T03:34:40 < karlp> at least it looks like she might win ~150€
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2024-06-02T06:55:01 < mawk> 100% of family members that started gambling are not fine today, karlp
2024-06-02T06:55:08 < mawk> my family Is mean
2024-06-02T06:55:11 < mawk> I*
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2024-06-02T09:18:14 < ventYl> heh, I've been building multiarch GDB from sources and it turns that the default slackware gdb already is multiarch
2024-06-02T09:20:07 < mawk> even for arm cortex?
2024-06-02T09:22:49 < ventYl> yes
2024-06-02T09:24:05 < mawk> nice
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2024-06-02T09:39:46 < ventYl> it seems to be a rather standard practice
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2024-06-02T10:09:17 < BrainDamage> if only base gcc was multiarch
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2024-06-02T16:14:02 < Laurenceb_> top freaking keekkkkkkkk  https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGOujf4YW0AAiX94.jpg
2024-06-02T16:15:13 < Laurenceb_> lol first reply https://nitter.poast.org/jessphillips/status/1795744506664689920#m
2024-06-02T16:15:18 < Laurenceb_> >how do you even photos
2024-06-02T16:17:01 < Laurenceb_> >gas lighting services: do you need our help with the lighting
2024-06-02T16:40:38 < specing> Laurenceb_: I wonder if this is the first time Jess Phillips interacts with conservatives?
2024-06-02T17:00:13 < Laurenceb_> I remember when Sargons CV was leaked on 4chan
2024-06-02T17:00:22 < Laurenceb_> Sargon of no GCSEs
2024-06-02T17:01:51 < Laurenceb_> and he lived in a shitty terraced house that he rented
2024-06-02T17:02:41 < Laurenceb_> >Sargon is not even qualified to work as a cleaner
2024-06-02T17:03:02 < Steffanx> Im glad i have no clue what this is all about. Probably just the same old boring British politics..
2024-06-02T17:04:42 < Laurenceb_> Lizz Truss is now BFF with Sargon
2024-06-02T17:07:43 < Steffanx> Yes exactly
2024-06-02T17:08:53 < Laurenceb_> two people who are incapable of holding down any jerb, makes sense
2024-06-02T17:10:39 < Steffanx> You should teach them your lunix tricks. That will make them irreplaceable.
2024-06-02T17:23:23 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_ doesn't exacty uses linux, he uses eunuchs https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Eunux.net
2024-06-02T17:29:58 < machinehum> qyx: What's the part?
2024-06-02T17:38:37 < Laurenceb_> lulwyut
2024-06-02T17:39:23 < Laurenceb_> >when ppl call Sargon a Janny but he's not even qualified to work as a Janitor
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2024-06-02T19:38:36 < qyx> machinehum: vheck waveshare for 720x720, there are not many
2024-06-02T19:39:00 < qyx> I don't have it accessible now to check
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2024-06-02T19:53:06 < machinehum> https://www.waveshare.com/4inch-dpi-lcd-c.htm
2024-06-02T19:53:11 < machinehum> Those look decent
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2024-06-02T20:03:22 < machinehum> qyx: WAit your guy got shot 4 times and lived?
2024-06-02T20:04:32 < BrainDamage> we have a saying "bad weed never dies"
2024-06-02T20:05:01 < machinehum> BrainDamage: You are from Slovakia as well?
2024-06-02T20:05:18 < BrainDamage> no
2024-06-02T20:05:21 < machinehum> o
2024-06-02T20:05:30 < BrainDamage> just pointing out the irony
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2024-06-02T20:16:44 < qyx> machinehum: apparently yes
2024-06-02T20:17:05 < qyx> BrainDamage: yeah we have the same
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2024-06-02T20:32:56 < Steffanx> same same here
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2024-06-03T02:44:00 < Laurenceb_> https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0309132515623368
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2024-06-03T10:52:53 < Laurenceb_> orbital sides https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1796546324050878465/vid/avc1/1280x720/YNpG7blcUjrCKuvT.mp4?tag=14
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2024-06-03T13:31:39 < karlp> fuckin ell, I've got some bootloader code that is compiled with -O0, -fno-toplevel-reorder, and is doing this sort of insanity: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/Ba6SW
2024-06-03T13:31:49 < karlp> why do I suspect that it has a pile of latent bugs in it?
2024-06-03T13:46:39 < karlp> hrm, was thinking of a t1s multidrop experiment for power and comms, but you cant' do power with multidrop.
2024-06-03T13:46:46 < karlp> make ssense when I think about it, but still boring.
2024-06-03T13:48:13 < ventYl> -Os on debug build and -O0 on release are two things you definitely want to see
2024-06-03T13:49:28 < qyx> karlp: why not
2024-06-03T13:49:31 < karlp> where are the t1s switches too?! how are people meant to be using this?
2024-06-03T13:49:48 < ventYl> what does the code do with these variables?
2024-06-03T13:50:00 < karlp> qyx: well, I'm sure you could negotiate lowest common by talking toa llll devices, but that's probably wayyyy complicated, so it's just "nope"
2024-06-03T13:50:09 < karlp> the power negotiation is just point to point.
2024-06-03T13:50:15 < qyx> fuk negotiation
2024-06-03T13:50:54 < qyx> I concluded I yolo it, because actually podl is defined for t1l only afaik
2024-06-03T13:51:08 < karlp> it's defined for t1s in point to point mode, aiui.
2024-06-03T13:51:10 < qyx> and because t1l and t1s are pretty similar, I juse used the same crcuit
2024-06-03T13:51:15 < karlp> doesn't amtter anyway, 
2024-06-03T13:51:22 < qyx> anyway, no switches
2024-06-03T13:51:38 < qyx> I am gonna use tja1105 or whatever the thing is
2024-06-03T13:51:41 < karlp> I was dreaming baout garden wiring shit for halloween/christmas decorations, but no power with multipoint and no switches?!
2024-06-03T13:51:44 < qyx> with 4x t1s phy
2024-06-03T13:51:59 < karlp> sja1105
2024-06-03T13:52:05 < qyx> lolol garden wiring, yeah
2024-06-03T13:52:09 < qyx> yes sja, sorry
2024-06-03T13:52:10 < karlp> you have to build your own fucking switches?
2024-06-03T13:52:16 < karlp> the fuck is this prototype shit
2024-06-03T13:52:32 < karlp> i get the "use the cabling in the all" but what am I mean tot ocnnect it to?
2024-06-03T13:53:08 < qyx> you have to wait, there are exactly two or three t1s phys right now
2024-06-03T13:53:32 < qyx> nc26100 or what, lan something
2024-06-03T13:53:39 < qyx> and a dpxxx for mii/rmii
2024-06-03T13:53:49 < karlp> han gon, sja1105 is just a generic switch, 
2024-06-03T13:53:53 < qyx> yes
2024-06-03T13:54:01 < qyx> just glue a phy to it
2024-06-03T13:54:07 < karlp> but you picked that because it still has 10M support, 
2024-06-03T13:54:24 < karlp> this is fucking dumb.
2024-06-03T13:54:43 < qyx> yes it is a gigabit shit with 10M shit and you can abuse it with a t1s phy
2024-06-03T13:54:47 < qyx> and it should work
2024-06-03T13:55:11 < karlp> I wanted to go "ok, build a smart node with t1s, can be two wires, gets power over that too, awesome" but now I have to build my own fucking switches from scratch to connect them to anything even.
2024-06-03T13:55:30 < qyx> also, why do you want switches at all?
2024-06-03T13:55:42 < karlp> so I can have power over these point to point shits
2024-06-03T13:56:03 < qyx> just get your favourite imx6 som as a gateway and glue t1s to it
2024-06-03T13:56:06 < qyx> with some power
2024-06-03T13:56:16 < karlp> yeah, this has instantly become unappealing.
2024-06-03T13:56:17 < qyx> (sorry)
2024-06-03T13:56:28 < karlp> I don't want to build both ends of this.
2024-06-03T13:56:39 < qyx> also back to back should work too
2024-06-03T13:56:55 < qyx> don't be a quitter
2024-06-03T13:57:05 < karlp> it's sounding better to just run two wires of DC power around around the garden, and do everything on wifi/bluetooth.
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2024-06-03T14:05:11 < BrainDamage> until you mow it along the grass
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2024-06-03T14:56:42  * Laurenceb_ is trying to understand sigma-delta
2024-06-03T14:57:06 < Laurenceb_> if I have a x256 oversampling ratio I should be able to achieve ~16bits
2024-06-03T14:57:41 < Laurenceb_> yet if I read 256 1 bit values and low pass filter I should only be able to achieve 8bits with simple low pass
2024-06-03T14:58:14 < Laurenceb_> so surely it needs an actual nonlinear decoding stage for higher order sigma delta ?
2024-06-03T15:08:53 < BrainDamage> no, the conversion filter is linearly accounted for in the modulator with regular negative feedback
2024-06-03T15:09:08 < BrainDamage> you just need a lowpass filter with the same order
2024-06-03T15:09:56 < BrainDamage> and the reason you gain extra resolution is because the transfer function of the quantization error sees the 1/filter, so the quantization errror is highpassed out outside the interested bandwith
2024-06-03T15:10:39 < BrainDamage> and the higher the order, the more power you're shifting towards the non-interesting part of the spectrum
2024-06-03T15:11:04 < Laurenceb_> I get that part, but if its a clocked signal then there are only so many bits of data coming in
2024-06-03T15:11:22 < Laurenceb_> e.g. 256bits if its 2^8 oversampling
2024-06-03T15:12:57 < BrainDamage> oh, if the input is already digitized, then what you gain is from the resampling spreading out the PSD of the existing error
2024-06-03T15:13:18 < BrainDamage> which is less than if you tried to digitize it from scratch
2024-06-03T15:14:18 < BrainDamage> as in, you see your input signal as the correct perfect signal + the already existing quantization noise, but on the input
2024-06-03T15:15:43 < Laurenceb_> my problem is trying to understand how the number of bits can be gained from the oversampling ratio
2024-06-03T15:16:05 < Laurenceb_> without nonlinear filters surely you are limited to log2(oversampling ratio)  ?
2024-06-03T15:17:48 < BrainDamage> that's equivalent to saying that the filter is doing nothing, you're assuming a simple oversampling which uniformingly stretches the spectrum
2024-06-03T15:19:26 < jpa-> it depends on the modulator order - for 2nd or higher order sigma delta e.g. "0101" is different than "0110"
2024-06-03T15:19:43 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats my point
2024-06-03T15:20:15 < BrainDamage> the nonlinear effect is from the whole modulator, not the filter per se
2024-06-03T15:20:17 < Laurenceb_> I need to understand Sinc^n
2024-06-03T15:20:19 < BrainDamage> the filter is linear
2024-06-03T15:22:24 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascaded_integrator%E2%80%93comb_filter#Features
2024-06-03T15:22:31 < Laurenceb_> ok this makes more sensor now
2024-06-03T15:22:59 < Laurenceb_> >Bit growth of Nlob2(RM)
2024-06-03T15:23:04 < Laurenceb_> *log
2024-06-03T15:23:12 < jpa-> you can also consider it this way: if you can get 4x the amount of bits using x16 1st order oversampling, just put two of them in series and you get 16x the amount of bits using x256 2nd order oversampling
2024-06-03T15:25:46 < Laurenceb_> I'm playing in matlab - sincn filter has a smoothed out windowing function, so you can get much more bits than a window function with just 0 or 1
2024-06-03T15:26:00 < Laurenceb_> also its sensitive to bit order, this makes more sense now
2024-06-03T15:26:30 < BrainDamage> yes, the lowpass/integrator keeps history
2024-06-03T15:26:44 < Laurenceb_> pity there isnt an stm32 with a ton of sigma-delta inputs
2024-06-03T15:26:54 < Laurenceb_> looks like stm32u5 is the best with 6 channels?
2024-06-03T15:29:01 < qyx> there are definitely ones with more
2024-06-03T15:29:20 < qyx> h7 maybe?
2024-06-03T15:29:40 < Laurenceb_> iirc that has 8 "inputs", but only 4 filters
2024-06-03T15:30:49 < BrainDamage> oh, and since you mentioned the bit order
2024-06-03T15:30:53 < BrainDamage> look at pattern noise
2024-06-03T15:31:03 < Laurenceb_> ok
2024-06-03T15:31:16 < qyx> anyway at 100 sps do it in software
2024-06-03T15:31:30  * Laurenceb_ is thinking of using sigma-delta for current measurement on traction inverters
2024-06-03T15:31:50 < Laurenceb_> this would be using max 25Mhz bit clock
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2024-06-03T16:50:03 < Laurenceb_> holy shit I just read the lineup for EMFcamp 2024
2024-06-03T16:50:13 < Laurenceb_> >diy gender reassignment
2024-06-03T16:50:23 < Laurenceb_> >furry convention
2024-06-03T16:50:32 < Laurenceb_> >radical feminist sea shantys
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2024-06-03T17:59:51 < jpa-> https://images.cdn.yle.fi/image/upload/f_auto/fl_lossy/v1717421232/39-1296363665dc4164c9a1   meanwhile in finland
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2024-06-03T18:06:49 < Mangy_Dog> -149 degrees#?
2024-06-03T18:06:56 < Mangy_Dog> i think something might be broken there :p
2024-06-03T18:09:37 < qyx> no.
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2024-06-03T18:21:14 < Ecco> Hi there!
2024-06-03T18:21:19 < Ecco> I'm reading an MLCC datasheet
2024-06-03T18:21:32 < Ecco> Insulation resistance after 1 minute at Ur (DC) Rins ≥ 10 GΩ or Rins × Cr ≥ 500(100) seconds whichever is less
2024-06-03T18:22:15 < Ecco> What to they mean with "500(100)"?
2024-06-03T18:22:33 < Ecco> Also, this would yield a 0.5µA leakage current for a 100nF cap. Does that seem about right?
2024-06-03T18:22:37 < Ecco> sorry *nA*
2024-06-03T18:28:17 < qyx> nA sounds about right
2024-06-03T18:28:25 < qyx> uA definitely not
2024-06-03T18:31:01 < Ecco> :)
2024-06-03T18:31:52 < Ecco> I still have no idea what 500(100) means though
2024-06-03T18:32:06 < Ecco> Also, the same manufacturer gives the same resistance value for both X7R and CG0
2024-06-03T18:32:17 < Ecco> Aren't CG0 supposed to leak less?
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2024-06-03T18:41:44 < karlp> cg0 is just better temp stability, nothing to do with insulation resistance iirc?
2024-06-03T18:41:52 < karlp> c0g.
2024-06-03T18:48:14 < qyx> it is a different dielectric so I would say some parameters may be differe t
2024-06-03T18:48:28 < qyx> also nearly no microphonics for c0g
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2024-06-03T18:58:17 < Ecco> Yeah, I've read about this
2024-06-03T18:58:34 < Ecco> but then I wondered: "when can this be a problem?"
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2024-06-03T20:11:59 < jbo> moin
2024-06-03T20:13:10 < jbo> we're talking about c0g and laurence is not making a cock joke? I'm impressed.
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2024-06-03T21:13:56 < Steffanx> Luckily we have jbo :P
2024-06-03T21:28:57 < ventYl> am I missing something? is -ggdb3 enough for me to be able to dereference macros like SCB anywhere in the code while debugging?
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2024-06-03T22:01:35 < Laurenceb_> https://nitter.poast.org/pic/media%2FGPKfCjWWwAAZzD0.jpg%3Fname%3Dsmall%26format%3Dwebp
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2024-06-03T22:28:47 < ventYl> eel sauce?
2024-06-03T22:29:01 < ventYl> I have traced down and fixed the damn bug which haunted me for months!
2024-06-03T22:29:09 < ventYl> and it was such a stupid thing!
2024-06-03T22:31:23 < qyx> you shall not carry a F4 in your work bag
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2024-06-03T22:39:32 < Laurenceb_> >canucked
2024-06-03T22:39:39 < Laurenceb_> urban dictionary confirmed
2024-06-03T23:24:58 < Laurenceb_> >EMF camp has been 100% taken over by furries
2024-06-03T23:25:02 < Laurenceb_> the absolute state
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2024-06-03T23:39:28 < Mangy_Dog> furries for the win!
2024-06-03T23:39:43 < Mangy_Dog> i dont think the emf camp is taken over by furries... they were always there
2024-06-03T23:41:09 < nomorekaki> I have never sen furrie
2024-06-03T23:41:13 < nomorekaki> only in internets
2024-06-03T23:52:53 < machinehum> There were some furrie adjacents
2024-06-03T23:53:08 < machinehum> At fosdem
2024-06-03T23:53:14 < machinehum> I don't judge
2024-06-03T23:53:46 < machinehum> But I would have to be pretty fucking drunk you wear your cat ears
2024-06-03T23:55:04 < machinehum> (10 years from now machinehum is wearing cat ears installing arch on his framework laptop)
2024-06-03T23:57:11 < machinehum> If Framework made a laptop with the new snapdragon chip that would be major tits megabox
2024-06-03T23:57:35 < machinehum> Cat ears would be coming out
--- Day changed ti kesä 04 2024
2024-06-04T00:01:35 < ventYl> meow
2024-06-04T00:08:04 < machinehum> Rapidly smashed 2 10% beers in a pub in Vancouver
2024-06-04T00:08:49 < machinehum> Like a megadeath 10% black cherry sour, something you cannot find in Schweiz
2024-06-04T00:09:54 < qyx> is there a beer you cannot find in europe?
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2024-06-04T00:12:29 < machinehum> qyx: Beer culture is just a little different towards things like craft beer, which isn't a complaint
2024-06-04T00:12:53 < machinehum> Like in Canada a brewery will make a beer for 3 months, give it a name and never make the formula again
2024-06-04T00:13:01 < machinehum> poof
2024-06-04T00:13:03 < machinehum> gone
2024-06-04T00:13:55 < machinehum> qyx: But I really like all beers, so I'm happy
2024-06-04T00:14:30 < Laurenceb_> wait
2024-06-04T00:14:40 < Laurenceb_> til Mangy_Dog is a furry reference
2024-06-04T00:21:40 < machinehum> Is DSI cunty I've never worked with it before, top is clk and bottom two are lanes https://imgur.com/a/trYg1xs
2024-06-04T00:22:50 < machinehum> At my old job they spent forever doing bullshit with eye diagrams and shit but that might have been a makework project
2024-06-04T00:23:20 < machinehum> I guess it obviuosly depends on the speed which I didn't look up
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2024-06-04T00:29:14 < BrainDamage> machinehum: the same happens here
2024-06-04T00:29:18 < BrainDamage> wrt beer
2024-06-04T00:36:28 < qyx> I wan't to use a pointer as a reference to a "object" accessible using a network protocol
2024-06-04T00:36:40 < qyx> to avoid managing IDs and whatnot
2024-06-04T00:36:57 < qyx> but I want to prevent leaking memory addresses to the world
2024-06-04T00:37:11 < qyx> the question is, how to bidirectionally encrypt 32bit pointers?
2024-06-04T00:37:56 < qyx> it looks like I need a 1:1 keyed mapping function
2024-06-04T00:45:17 < qyx> https://cryptome.org/32bit-algo.htm
2024-06-04T00:45:58 < qyx> https://github.com/dverite/cryptint/blob/master/skip32.c
2024-06-04T00:46:15 < qyx> s/wan't/want
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2024-06-04T02:18:36 < Laurenceb_> nutty idea: traction inverter that doesnt use PWM and instead treats the  current control as a "bang-bang" problem
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2024-06-04T06:31:44 < ColdKeyboard> Is there an elegant way in C to "fade" two values without bazillion if-elseif-else
2024-06-04T06:32:08 < ColdKeyboard> For example if you have three values; led_current, led_target, led_max_step
2024-06-04T06:33:34 < ColdKeyboard> My initial thought is to figure out if current value is lesser or greater than target. Then check if adding/substracting max_step would over/under shoot and then finally assign the new value
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2024-06-04T08:18:33 < qyx> convert to float and avoid those checks :>
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2024-06-04T10:46:07 < BrainDamage> when automation takes over, the one reaping profit are the machine owners ... which aren't the employees
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2024-06-04T11:56:22 < karlp> ventYl: what was the stupid thing htat you fixed after months?
2024-06-04T12:03:18 < ventYl> karlp: CMSIS-default SysTick_Config changes priority of Systick handler to "very low". somehow I assumed that if ARMv7M docs specify that all handlers are of same priority then CMSIS will keep this setup.
2024-06-04T12:03:51 < ventYl> thus my PendSV wasn't really PendSV, rather PreemptSV, due to misconfigured priorities
2024-06-04T12:03:58 < ventYl> and that made thread switching code go brrrrr
2024-06-04T12:04:51 < ventYl> it was tricky to isolate, because it only happened sometimes, when thread switch was triggered by systick
2024-06-04T12:06:34 < karlp> oh yuck.
2024-06-04T12:07:57 < ventYl> so initially it looked like the thread switching code is broken and somehow trashes thread registers upon thread switch
2024-06-04T12:08:09 < ventYl> it almost looked like registers of different thread were loaded
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2024-06-04T13:37:03 < jpa-> i once had some third-party code secretly change irq prio grouping
2024-06-04T13:37:24 < jpa-> i don't even understand why anyone would use other than the grouping that gives most priority levels
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2024-06-04T14:54:11 < Laurenceb_> PSSI on U5 looks good
2024-06-04T14:54:26 < Laurenceb_> could be used for direct current control of a traction inverter
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2024-06-04T19:24:02 < Steffanx> I would recommend a rpi for that.
2024-06-04T19:24:12 < Steffanx> Oh the Blax is gone
2024-06-04T19:30:48 < BrainDamage> I've saved this for when they come back with bullshit next time https://0x0.st/Xqy1.png
2024-06-04T19:30:53 < vampi__> just keep the Blax out of my neighborhood nom sayin
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2024-06-05T12:42:07 < karlp> fuck yeah, corpo life.  "goal setting" has a section on "competentencies" I should have.  one of them is "5) Demonstrates appropriate physical co-ordination and endurance, manual skill, spatial awareness and dexterity"
2024-06-05T12:44:18 < qyx> I am not spatially aware when programming
2024-06-05T13:36:10 < karlp> more corpo life, getting protos done by jlc, cool, very modern, everyones happy with the prompt turnaround, but they're still sending this wild 10? year old parts that have been copied and pasted forward through designs for years, and then special ordering them to JLC.
2024-06-05T13:36:28 < karlp> including... plain generic 12Mhz crystals in oddball packages, they're paying $1 each for...
2024-06-05T13:36:36 < karlp> and no-one even thought of it.
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2024-06-05T13:37:25 < qyx> is it your fight?
2024-06-05T13:38:12 < karlp> nope, but the guy who asked for help decoding some chinglish from jlc support about being "out of stock" of their special crystals is like, "wow, thanks, I'm adding that to my list for the next board, I bet we've just been copying it year after year"
2024-06-05T13:39:18 < karlp> the culture of "just spend" here is wild.  margins are high, don't even think about it.  except he's spent hours back and forth special ordering stupid crystals.
2024-06-05T13:39:38 < karlp> margins could be _way_ better I believe...
2024-06-05T13:51:38 < BrainDamage> there seems to be a weird binarization between "never review our procedures" and "we must squeeze every bit of profit"
2024-06-05T13:53:37 < karlp> I'm not even really concerned about the money savings here, they can use the fancy german crystals on teh release models, but he's burnt a bunch of developer time following these orders to china for something that should hav e just been "use a bog standard 3225 crystal and move on with life"
2024-06-05T13:53:56 < karlp> but yeah, I will freely admit I've spent too much time trying to find cheap parts before.
2024-06-05T13:54:28 < BrainDamage> I meant from a company policy pov
2024-06-05T13:56:06 < karlp> I would love a company policy
2024-06-05T13:56:47 < karlp> I've asked a few times, "how is this done on the other products?" "umm, it's not handled" or "the same way as on xxxx (30yo product)"
2024-06-05T13:57:16  * karlp shrugs. corpo lyfe...
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2024-06-05T14:49:25 < ventYl>  karlp: that first one sounds like some kind of undercover drug test, like: "if you are disoriented and physically weak you are probably stoned or under influence"
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2024-06-05T14:52:40 < ventYl> karlp: also, did you already hear the phrase "we are doing it like that for 15 years and we don't see anything wrong on it" ?
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2024-06-05T14:59:49 < BrainDamage> or it could be their way to cover their asses for not implementing accessibility for disabled persons
2024-06-05T16:00:59 < karlp> ventYl: no, they're not actively trying to be conservative, I think it's just "we don't think"
2024-06-05T16:02:06 < ventYl> $automotive also didn't actively try to be conservative. they just were and once they were forced to think about it, they generated that statment 
2024-06-05T16:02:07 < karlp> and they then keep doing things until their CM says "hey, this is EOL" and then they go "life time buy!" 
2024-06-05T16:02:34 < ventYl> heh, exactly that^
2024-06-05T16:02:35 < karlp> we just had an almost identical conversation about an oddball usb TVS they were using,
2024-06-05T16:02:54 < karlp> "why not srv05?" "um, srv05 datasheet is from 2005, it will probably go EOL soon too!"
2024-06-05T16:02:56 < karlp> .... no.
2024-06-05T16:03:49 < karlp> "the dfn10 part is smaller!"  baords are six layers, not space constrained, and the dfn part is big anyway, it's only fractionally smaller than the sot23-6.
2024-06-05T16:03:51 < ventYl> $automove went even that far, they beg at $manufacturer to un-EOL the part just for their project
2024-06-05T16:04:52 < karlp> yeah, it was likely auto that got this done: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/Y1THf.png
2024-06-05T16:04:53  * karlp grins
2024-06-05T16:05:23 < ventYl> :D seems familiar
2024-06-05T16:05:35 < ventYl> their begging was actually successful
2024-06-05T16:05:41 < karlp> it's ok, I've written into the record the alternate, well sources, multi vendor parts I suggest as better future choices to avoid spending all this lifetime analysis, _and_ save money, 
2024-06-05T16:05:57 < karlp> so now I'm just back to my pit of spaghetti code.
2024-06-05T16:06:22 < ventYl> then the automotive did halt - not halt and completely disrupted their supply chain due to the COVID
2024-06-05T16:07:16 < ventYl> and $manufacturer came to us essentially saying: "nice part you have here. I have an offer: here, we have a pin-compatible alternative. it is higher specced, more expensive, but will work without redesigning PCBs. it will be available in 12 months...
2024-06-05T16:07:49 < ventYl> "...or you can insist on your original part # and this one... you'll maybe get shipped one day sometimes in the far future"
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2024-06-05T16:33:45 < karlp> meh, gdb basic funcitons are rough
2024-06-05T16:34:01 < karlp> you can't do "myfunction off" because "off" is interpreted as a symbol
2024-06-05T16:34:14 < karlp> you can do <myfunction "off"> though but that's nasty 
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2024-06-05T16:45:43 < zyp> karlp, you wanna do some shit like this? https://paste.jvnv.net/view/JCrRu
2024-06-05T17:06:38 < zyp> (also see how I do it in smolt if you'd like to do python commands in the same manner)
2024-06-05T17:06:55 < karlp> that... sort of thing, but I was doing this: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/zeGG6
2024-06-05T17:07:18 < karlp> yeah, I was goign to avoid python because there's stillstupid arm toolchains that rely on it being 3.8 and are busted.
2024-06-05T17:07:27 < karlp> I also didn't expect it to be so tedious.
2024-06-05T17:07:43 < karlp> I've finished enough for now.  "kcompact" and "kcompact 0" is fine.
2024-06-05T17:07:46 < zyp> just do the prefix/subcommand thing instead of building your own dispatcher
2024-06-05T17:07:53 < karlp> yeah, I didn't know about them
2024-06-05T17:08:11 < zyp> bonus is you get completion
2024-06-05T17:08:12 < karlp> and gdb's docs on this are _super_ thin and "I hope you can interpret how to put all this togethre yourself"
2024-06-05T17:08:43 < karlp> like, I was given shit like "p $_streq($x, "hello")"
2024-06-05T17:08:58 < karlp> and _streq explodes when it gets a 0 instead of "off" shit like, what the fuck is this shit for?!
2024-06-05T17:09:25 < karlp> and most blogs and help is just... rewordings fo teh same bare bullshit
2024-06-05T17:16:52 < karlp> right, that does work well: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/JEfCU
2024-06-05T17:17:02 < karlp> tab completion, help, less splatter.
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2024-06-05T19:09:31 < boddax> following github project use stm32f427vit6 lqpf100  they put pullup resistor to pin 68 , why? have also no value just n.b.
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2024-06-05T19:10:18 < boddax> for who whant check i can paste link to schematic
2024-06-05T19:10:20 < boddax> pdf
2024-06-05T19:13:53 < karlp> huh, TIL that not only is esp32 the only one with ethernet, it's the only one with bluetooth classic.  all the others are btle only.
2024-06-05T19:13:55 < qyx> it is enough to say wjat is pin 68
2024-06-05T19:14:21 < qyx> aren't there two with ethernet?
2024-06-05T19:14:37 < qyx> oneof s2/s3 had it?
2024-06-05T19:14:38 < karlp> only the p4 vapourware, doesn't count
2024-06-05T19:15:05 < karlp> i have a vague memory of it being in early datahseets for S, but not actually there maybe?
2024-06-05T19:15:33 < boddax> pin 68 pa9 TIM1_CH2,
2024-06-05T19:15:33 < boddax> I2C3_SMBA,
2024-06-05T19:15:33 < boddax> USART1_TX,
2024-06-05T19:15:34 < boddax> DCMI_D0, EVENTOUT
2024-06-05T19:16:02 < jpa-> boddax: possibly for some USB code that expects OTG_FS_VBUS to be high (though its value can also be overridden by software)
2024-06-05T19:27:15 < boddax>  hpcd_USB_OTG_FS.Init.Sof_enable = DISABLE; like this?
2024-06-05T19:28:06 < karlp> that would  be disabling SOF?
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2024-06-06T03:09:24 < nomorekaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrB-_nIer88 late musics
2024-06-06T03:15:12 < qyx> really late
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2024-06-06T14:04:02 < Laurenceb_> suppp
2024-06-06T14:04:18 < Laurenceb_> I'm failing at Lunix
2024-06-06T14:04:30 < Laurenceb_> is there a way to pass relative paths to system() in c?
2024-06-06T14:06:33 < jpa-> what's stopping you?
2024-06-06T14:06:47 < jpa-> it should inherit working dir from the parent process
2024-06-06T14:07:01 < Laurenceb_> hmm ok
2024-06-06T14:07:06 < jpa-> (and PATH)
2024-06-06T14:07:11 < Laurenceb_> well something is breaking, maybe thats not it
2024-06-06T14:08:25 < Laurenceb_> sed 's/dev_name/%s/;s/speaker_gain_l/%d/;s/speaker_gain_r/%d/;s/mic_gain/%d/g' ../audio/asound.state > asound_temp.state
2024-06-06T14:08:31 < Laurenceb_> yeah its nasty I know
2024-06-06T14:09:00 < Laurenceb_> it works without the ../audio part, just using asound.state in same directory as the executable
2024-06-06T14:09:35 < jpa-> so just strace -f it to see what happens
2024-06-06T14:09:45 < Laurenceb_> hmm good plan, thanks
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2024-06-06T14:22:32 < qyx> what the hell is this weather, the sun doesn't shine and yet I am overheated at 25°C
2024-06-06T14:22:48 < qyx> it is mostly cloudy and no wind
2024-06-06T14:23:23 < jpa-> high moisture?
2024-06-06T14:23:58 < qyx> idk all my iot died
2024-06-06T14:24:13 < jpa-> no weather service?
2024-06-06T14:26:12 < qyx> I haven't used such thing for so long that my wunderground cookies expired and it is talking to me in some alien units
2024-06-06T14:32:40 < qyx> 60%, it took me some time
2024-06-06T14:35:47 < Laurenceb_> [pid  2129] stat64("/usr/local/sbin/sed", 0xffddc2a8) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
2024-06-06T14:35:50 < Laurenceb_> ok weird..
2024-06-06T14:37:18 < BrainDamage> system() just calls the shell, so in principle it shoulld be able to do anything the shel does
2024-06-06T14:37:22 < Laurenceb_> also the system call returns 0
2024-06-06T14:37:24 < BrainDamage> the caveat might be argument passing
2024-06-06T14:38:07 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: it is just searching path
2024-06-06T14:38:22 < jpa-> it will do stat() for "sed" in all path directories until it finds where it is
2024-06-06T14:38:57 < Laurenceb_> oh
2024-06-06T14:39:45 < Laurenceb_> ok I'll improve my grep filter and rerun this
2024-06-06T14:40:07 < Laurenceb_> there is a bazillion lines of output so I have to filter it
2024-06-06T14:42:22 < jpa-> you could try   -e file
2024-06-06T14:42:34 < jpa-> as in "print only file operations"
2024-06-06T14:43:46 < Laurenceb_> how do I run a complex command from stat ?
2024-06-06T14:44:56 < Laurenceb_> wait no nvm
2024-06-06T14:50:08 < Laurenceb_> [pid  2185] write(1, "state.USBtemp {\n        control."..., 2912) = 2912
2024-06-06T14:50:12 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2024-06-06T14:50:17 < Laurenceb_> 1 = stdout?
2024-06-06T14:52:56 < Laurenceb_> [pid  2185] execve("/usr/bin/sed", ["sed", "s/dev_name/USBtemp/;s/speaker_ga"..., "../audio/asound.state"], 0x3f743c /* 15 vars */ <unfinished ...>
2024-06-06T14:52:59 < Laurenceb_> wtf is going on
2024-06-06T14:53:38 < Laurenceb_> looks like system isnt passing the output file path so sed is outputting to its stdout
2024-06-06T14:57:35 < lemmi> that's correct
2024-06-06T14:57:50 < lemmi> the shell is supposed to open the output file and connect it to sed's stdout
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2024-06-06T15:11:31 < jpa-> yeah, totally normal so far
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2024-06-06T15:41:28 < Laurenceb_> dah I fail
2024-06-06T15:41:34 < Laurenceb_> ok tiem for starlink
2024-06-06T15:41:42 < Laurenceb_> wow the voiceover is cringe
2024-06-06T15:42:01 < Laurenceb_> also >no official youtube as Musk is having a mard
2024-06-06T15:44:01 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FkQAU5sLck
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2024-06-06T16:48:35 < karlp> meh, can't use newlib-nano because I want 64bit integer printf, but now I have enormous __malloc_av_ and __impure_data chunks
2024-06-06T16:53:11 < karlp> fucking locales are all in as well.
2024-06-06T16:58:43 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2024-06-06T16:58:47 < Laurenceb_> that was insane
2024-06-06T17:10:22 < ColdKeyboard> Are there aliexpress clones of the tag-connect cable?
2024-06-06T17:10:53 < karlp> aliexpress people are too pro to use tag connect
2024-06-06T17:15:49 < ColdKeyboard> Maybe... still found a few
2024-06-06T17:15:58 < ColdKeyboard> I'll pick the least sketchy one to try as spare :)
2024-06-06T17:16:11 < Steffanx> link to such clone? 
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2024-06-06T17:21:17 < ColdKeyboard> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000926386894.html
2024-06-06T17:22:03 < Steffanx> Heh they even sell the "original"
2024-06-06T17:25:03 < ColdKeyboard> And some of them show Plug-of-Nails(TM)
2024-06-06T17:25:14 < ColdKeyboard> Trademarking a clone, that's cute
2024-06-06T17:26:42 < ColdKeyboard> While on the topic, any other recommendations that are comparable in footprint?
2024-06-06T17:28:11 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/cortex-debug-headers-cables.md
2024-06-06T17:29:05 < karlp> is my favourite, but most expensive: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/samtec-inc/FTSH-105-01-L-DV-K/1875039?s=N4IgTCBcDaIMoEECyAOA7ATgwWgHIBEQBdAXyA
2024-06-06T17:35:24 < ColdKeyboard> I guess tag-connect looks only good on paper
2024-06-06T17:39:17 < Laurenceb_> gah looks like I was on the wrong track
2024-06-06T17:39:32 < Laurenceb_> something is badly wrong with my audio, but only since I moved to Pi 4
2024-06-06T17:39:51 < Laurenceb_> signal looks incredibly corrupted
2024-06-06T17:44:33 < Laurenceb_> maybe I have buffering issue brought about by new kernel
2024-06-06T17:52:09 < Laurenceb_> shit I'm out of ideas
2024-06-06T17:52:19 < Laurenceb_> adding buffer fill doesnt fix it
2024-06-06T17:55:59 < Laurenceb_> anyone got any ideas for how to debug this?
2024-06-06T17:58:13 < Laurenceb_> hmm looks like about 2 or 3% of the time when device is connected it will work first time
2024-06-06T17:58:17 < BrainDamage> send a known pattern, like a frequency-swept sine
2024-06-06T17:58:19 < Laurenceb_> after that the data is corrupted
2024-06-06T17:58:25 < Laurenceb_> hmm good plan thanks
2024-06-06T17:58:52 < Laurenceb_> looking on scope it looks like data is being dropped, need to solder on some test points to the board
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2024-06-06T18:17:32 < qyx> hey, which material can I use to trigger capsense sensors?
2024-06-06T18:17:45 < qyx> I need to fill a gap of about 3 mm
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2024-06-06T18:31:42 < Laurenceb_> hmm now it sort of works
2024-06-06T18:31:43 < Laurenceb_> wtf
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2024-06-06T19:04:20 < Laurenceb_> sheeeettttt
2024-06-06T19:04:38 < Laurenceb_> looks like maybe ALSA fixed corruption bugs that were effecting my code ages ago
2024-06-06T19:04:53 < Laurenceb_> so my anticorruption bodge is corrupting that data
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2024-06-06T22:41:58 < antto> ALSA: Annoying Laurenceb_ Since Ages
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2024-06-06T23:30:12 < Steffanx> Lol antto 
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2024-06-07T00:08:27 < karlp> all lolrencing, spaces always
2024-06-07T00:17:39 < qyx> so what Cl should I head for today
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2024-06-07T00:17:56 < qyx> C1/C2 is Cl*2 minus something
2024-06-07T00:18:26 < qyx> I want to use 18/22p, so I want Cl = 10/12 pF
2024-06-07T00:18:44 < qyx> 18 pF is definitely out of my tolerance
2024-06-07T00:20:03 < qyx> abracon ABM8W looks good, 10 ppm, 8 pF, for 12 pF caps
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2024-06-07T14:26:49 < Laurenceb_> supp
2024-06-07T14:26:57  * Laurenceb_ is still trying to get audio to behave
2024-06-07T14:27:16 < Laurenceb_> I have a distant memory of some sort of screen reader service causing issues on rpi
2024-06-07T14:27:30 < Laurenceb_> it might be the case that some service is accessing my audio device
2024-06-07T14:32:32 < ventYl> unless you are using some fossil from 2014, this is unlikely
2024-06-07T14:43:05 < Laurenceb_> I had the problem on pi3 last year I think
2024-06-07T14:43:58 < ventYl> if something is accessing the device itself rather than dmix/sound server, then it is a matter of misconfiguration of software rather than hardware
2024-06-07T14:47:52 < Laurenceb_> sudo mv /usr/share/piwiz/srprompt.wav /usr/share/piwiz/srprompt.wav.bak
2024-06-07T14:47:55 < Laurenceb_> found it
2024-06-07T14:52:48 < karlp> what the fuck is piwiz?
2024-06-07T14:53:16 < karlp> why the fuck do you have a UI first boot helper running on your production setup?
2024-06-07T14:54:10 < ventYl> :D
2024-06-07T14:54:12 < Laurenceb_> I didnt set this shit up
2024-06-07T14:54:54 < ventYl> how many of your coworkers were vaporized by HV circuits of your device?
2024-06-07T15:25:39 < Laurenceb_> lol
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2024-06-07T17:08:10 < \dev\ice> not really stm32 related: how about using GPL/LGPL lib for firmware. because it's not "dynamic linked", it means I need to provide all source of firmware? 
2024-06-07T17:10:58 < karlp> for gpl, yes.
2024-06-07T17:11:15 < karlp> for lgpl, you need to provide a way for the lgpl portioins to be replaced with user modified versions of the lgpl portions.
2024-06-07T17:11:26 < karlp> (you have no requirement to keep APIs or anything)
2024-06-07T17:12:04 < karlp> the minimum here is generally regarded as providing .o's or a .a that the user supplied lgpl portion can be relinked with, and a stub "build script" that rejoins them together.
2024-06-07T17:12:31 < karlp> the actual in practice options are "lol, who would ever know" and "just publish it all"
2024-06-07T17:13:09 < karlp> you should also have the _notice_ "somewhere" that says how to get those files, or who to contact to ask for them...
2024-06-07T17:17:28 < \dev\ice> :/
2024-06-07T17:26:27 < specing> \dev\ice: one up the lib authors by releasing your code AGPLv3!
2024-06-07T17:42:41 < \dev\ice> specing: :-D
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2024-06-07T18:12:34 < MGF_Fabio> Hi all, Can anyone point me to some resources on how to implement the standby mode while also using the freertos?
2024-06-07T18:13:50 < MGF_Fabio> What I need is to be able to put the mcu into standby mode when he power is cut and the system is resorting to only a 3V battery 
2024-06-07T18:14:30 < MGF_Fabio> I need it to keep the rtc active for date and time update
2024-06-07T18:15:00 < MGF_Fabio> othe han that, the system should practically be Off
2024-06-07T18:16:20 < mouseghost> then you need to figure out how to wake it up
2024-06-07T18:16:59 < MGF_Fabio> My issue is that it seems that he freerts scheduler is still on and keeps trying to boot up continuously, thus depleting the battery
2024-06-07T18:17:19 < MGF_Fabio> the wake up i by a pin tied to the external power
2024-06-07T18:18:19 < MGF_Fabio> but using the intrrupt seems to be waking up the scheduler and all its functions
2024-06-07T18:21:39 < mouseghost> hm maybe void vTaskSuspendAll( void );
2024-06-07T18:22:02 < mouseghost> https://www.freertos.org/low-power-tickless-rtos.html
2024-06-07T18:22:03 < mouseghost> like literally
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2024-06-07T18:25:36 < MGF_Fabio> I read that but I need to not do anything at all during the stadby mode
2024-06-07T18:26:49 < MGF_Fabio> So I need to use vTaskSuspendAll when entering and resumeAll when waking up?
2024-06-07T18:27:25 < MGF_Fabio> I don't have any idle moment while powered up
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2024-06-07T18:42:42 < ventYl> MGF_Fabio: assuming your starting point is a default ticking FreeRTOS, you need to configure it to be tickless, that's exactly what that page deals with
2024-06-07T18:43:08 < ventYl> normally, FreeRTOS will generate timer IRQs which wake the CPU up even if there is nothing to do in the userspace
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2024-06-07T22:31:23 < qyx> lets try to use AI to do some actual work
2024-06-07T22:36:13 < qyx> I apologize, but I do not have specific information about the operating current of different MEMS microphone models. As an AI assistant without direct access to product datasheets or technical specifications, I cannot provide a definitive answer on which PDM MEMS microphone has the lowest operating current. My knowledge is limited to more general information about MEMS microphones. I would suggest checking 
2024-06-07T22:36:19 < qyx> the technical documentation or contacting the manufacturer directly for the most accurate and up-to-date details on the power consumption of specific MEMS microphone products.
2024-06-07T22:36:55 < qyx> this is the thing which should save the humanity?
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2024-06-07T22:51:39 < Steffanx> Who told you that?
2024-06-07T22:51:50 < Steffanx> The same AI I guess?
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2024-06-07T23:28:19 < karlp> speaking of fantastic tech, daughter's going to a camp next week, got one of these to take with her: https://www.celly.com/en/datasheet/accessories-kidscamera3lb
2024-06-07T23:29:11 < karlp> it writes broken jpgs to sdcard, I can open them in gimp, but that's it, allll will need to be fixed.  it has _stunningly_ bad image quality, even for bright light outdoors.  
2024-06-07T23:29:48 < karlp> the UI is wild as well. you can't play back pictures, but you can choose to "delete one" or "delete all" with no way of knowing what "delete one" is going to delete.
2024-06-07T23:30:16 < karlp> it has a format option in the menu, but that doesn't do anything. I eventually got it to work formatting a fat32 tf card externally.
2024-06-07T23:30:21 < karlp> just... wildly bad.
2024-06-07T23:30:29 < karlp> but they somehow included a fucking snake game?
2024-06-07T23:30:37 < karlp> and noisy button sounds that can't be turned off.
2024-06-07T23:31:15 < qyx> ov2640+esp32?
2024-06-07T23:31:18 < qyx> on a sd card?
2024-06-07T23:39:13 < karlp> no idea, she only just got it, I'm not opening it today,
2024-06-07T23:39:20 < karlp> but yeah, it has actaul screws, so I .... may
2024-06-07T23:39:50 < karlp> its "special" though, the black plastic viewfinder here: https://media.esprinet.com/files/schede_dett///CEL/0O/0O0/CEL_0O_0O0_929451_KIDSCAMERA3LB_122ef36f-5f4c-4bad-8386-1b9607e3cf05_BIG.jpg is just... black plastic.
2024-06-07T23:40:00 < karlp> a lot of thought to make it look serious
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2024-06-08T00:17:48 < karlp> in other quality news, I removed a sd/tf card adapter from my card reader, and it ripped the end off, and the sd contacts are all loose now.  no idea what it got caught on
2024-06-08T00:17:56 < karlp> card reader dentata funtimes.
2024-06-08T00:22:33 < karlp> lol, we beat england again.
2024-06-08T00:22:40 < karlp> who cares if it's a friendly.
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2024-06-08T00:44:58 < karlp> fuckin hell this recall shit is just phenomonal.  how did they ever think launching this was going to be clever?
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2024-06-08T01:00:12 < Steffanx> Is Iceland is in Germany the coming weeks karlp ?
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2024-06-08T02:15:47 < ventYl> karlp: I've heard this before, SD card connector pins coming of loose when card/adapter was removed
2024-06-08T02:22:19 < karlp> Steffanx: no :( we just missed out on that.
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2024-06-08T04:04:02 < zyp> karlp, socket ruining adapter or adapter ruining socket?
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2024-06-08T04:24:36 < karlp> socket ruining adapter/card thingy
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2024-06-08T15:00:20 < Laurenceb_> sup trawls
2024-06-08T15:00:34  * Laurenceb_ has spotted some weird shiet on usb audio mic input
2024-06-08T15:00:59 < Laurenceb_> looks like there is a DC offset and low frequency rumble noise that is input ESR dependent
2024-06-08T15:01:39 < Laurenceb_> it goes up as input impedance increases from ~200 ro 20k ohm, but its not current injection as my high spec multimeter cant detect any and DC blocking cap has close to no effect
2024-06-08T15:03:32 < Laurenceb_> I'm wondering if the delta-sigma ADC is injecting high frequency noise thats aliasing down
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2024-06-08T15:18:13 < Laurenceb_> https://ttu-ir.tdl.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/e825c587-0ccb-4a8b-b65e-4843d16b2ad7/content
2024-06-08T15:18:32 < Laurenceb_> "Charge injection and clock feedthrough in the switched
2024-06-08T15:18:32 < Laurenceb_> capacitor realization are also error sources "
2024-06-08T15:18:38 < Laurenceb_> maybe I'm onto something
2024-06-08T15:19:51 < Laurenceb_> I think my mic input EMI filter is blocking these currents, making the effect worse
2024-06-08T15:21:06 < Laurenceb_> noise floor at a few kHz is crazy low, <10nV/sqrt(Hz)
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2024-06-08T16:10:13 < qyx> just asking, are you using a few buck ebayed chinesium usb sound card and wondering it has shitty adc/dac?
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2024-06-08T16:36:30 < Laurenceb_> lol yes
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2024-06-08T17:00:19 < Laurenceb_> its interesting as in some respects the performance is very high
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2024-06-09T08:45:58 < Phantom> hi there, I'm trying to unbrick a chip... but it have readout protection enabled. So I try to unlock it, and it fail. anyone have some ideas?
2024-06-09T08:49:36 < jpa-> if you can hold BOOT0 pin high and get into bootloader (by serial port or USB), it's possible that way
2024-06-09T08:49:53 < jpa-> assuming you are fine with doing a full erase
2024-06-09T08:50:57 < Phantom> yeah full erase is fine. can BOOT1 be high?
2024-06-09T08:53:19 < Phantom> stm32f407
2024-06-09T08:54:23 < jpa-> i don't remember, manual will tell boot1 setting
2024-06-09T09:14:44 < Phantom> does  $ st-flash --serial /dev/ttyUSB0 write SKR-V2.0-bootloader-and-firmware.bin 0x08000000         sound sane?  because it ain't working
2024-06-09T09:14:50 < Phantom> 2024-06-09T02:13:42 WARN usb.c: Couldn't find any ST-Link devices
2024-06-09T09:15:01 < Phantom> it don't seems to look for the serial...
2024-06-09T09:17:18 < jpa-> for bootloader you want stm32flash
2024-06-09T09:18:25 < jpa-> you can use openocd to full erase too, if you have the SWD connection
2024-06-09T09:20:27 < Phantom> I do have SWD
2024-06-09T09:23:19 < jpa-> https://chmanie.com/stm32-erasing-the-flash-using-openocd/
2024-06-09T09:27:36 < Phantom> Error: stm32x device protected
2024-06-09T09:27:43 < Phantom> so   close but not :/
2024-06-09T09:27:48 < Phantom> stupid 1 bit...
2024-06-09T09:35:47 < jpa-> maybe try  stm32f2x unlock 0
2024-06-09T09:38:18 < Phantom> yeah  tried that. it said unlocked, but still locked
2024-06-09T09:39:24 < Phantom> I think the chip is dead
2024-06-09T09:40:26 < jpa-> nah, openocd is just annoying
2024-06-09T09:40:34 < jpa-> maybe you need mass erase after unlock or something
2024-06-09T09:40:40 < jpa-> i have had better luck with stm32flash
2024-06-09T09:41:47 < Phantom> yeah   but can'T seems to be able to enter the bootloader
2024-06-09T09:55:18 < Phantom> DOH    it would help if I connect boot0 to 3.3 and not gnd    lol
2024-06-09T09:58:03 < Phantom> but still not working...
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2024-06-09T11:04:24 < Phantom> yeah... I think the chip really failed
2024-06-09T11:04:48 < Phantom> the read protection field read FF instead of AA BB or CC
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2024-06-09T20:48:50 < Phantom> question: where does the bootloader that ST program reside? In rom or flash?
2024-06-09T20:49:23 < Phantom> I'm starting to think that the flash went kaput on the chip
2024-06-09T20:49:43 < Phantom> which would explain why I can't enter the bootloader and can't unlock the chip
2024-06-09T21:03:30 < jpa-> rom
2024-06-09T21:03:45 < jpa-> try with a working one first?
2024-06-09T21:16:15 < Phantom> I don't have another one to try
2024-06-09T21:16:22 < Phantom> which is my problem
2024-06-09T21:16:33 < Phantom> all I know is that it ID it fine
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2024-06-09T21:42:49 < Phantom> do you know if the uart serial bootloader is "mandatory" accessible via pa9/10 on the stm32f407 ?
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2024-06-09T22:14:01 < englishman> https://www.st.com/resource/en/application_note/cd00167594-stm32-microcontroller-system-memory-boot-mode-stmicroelectronics.pdf looks like it yeah
2024-06-09T22:20:23 < Phantom> so, boot0 = 3.3V, boot1 = 0V, serial on PA9/10 or PB10/11, or usb on PA12/13, none worked. unlocking also don't work, and is at 0xFF instead of AA BB or CC. Provided that I started to have some issues that might have been from the chip itself (corruption on serial and usb data), and the fact that the SD card fried (might not be related), I think it is definitive that the chip is dead.
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2024-06-09T23:28:03 < qyx> Phantom: do you have any HSE fit?
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2024-06-09T23:51:30 < Phantom> ?
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2024-06-10T00:08:03 < qyx> you need a hse crystal for usb
2024-06-10T00:08:22 < qyx> bootloader appnote lists all the requirements
2024-06-10T00:08:57 < qyx> and I hope you are connecting serial the right way
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2024-06-10T00:09:10 < Laurenceb_> >U5 MDF cannot deinterleave ADC data
2024-06-10T00:09:13 < Laurenceb_> epin fail
2024-06-10T00:09:20 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if DMA could be used to hack it
2024-06-10T00:11:40 < qyx> maybe the chromart or whatever thing is it too?
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2024-06-10T00:11:55 < qyx> dma2d cannot split pictures into components?
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2024-06-10T00:18:21 < Phantom> qyx: yeah  there is a 8MHz crystal
2024-06-10T00:30:23 < qyx> is vdda connected? what board isit?
2024-06-10T00:30:54 < qyx> have you scoped the serial?
2024-06-10T00:32:12 < Phantom> it's my old 3d printer board
2024-06-10T00:32:56 < Phantom> which I declared failed a while ago, but decided to check it back, and I got some responces from it, unlike last time
2024-06-10T00:34:10 < Phantom> short story: I flashed klipper on it, did 1 print, then decided to change some settings, it reflashed it and... it never came back online. Found out that the sd card was burning hot (unconfortable to hold even with the little thermal mass it had).
2024-06-10T00:35:30 < Phantom> since I couln't ID it, and nothing seemed to work, I replaced it. But now I had mayyybe a project for it, so I check it back. I did get an ID this time, but can't flash it, as the readout protection is set (which shouln't be)
2024-06-10T00:35:52 < Phantom> I can send the unlock command, it say success, but still stay locked
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2024-06-10T00:38:16 < Phantom> the byte should be AA BB or CC, but is FF... The ST bootloader also don't work, which I suspect is not in ROM but in flash (flash is cheaper than rom, so just add like 16k and done). ST clearly say that the bootloader is programmed at the factory. I do not see why they would use ROM and flash.... So, if the flash also failed at the same time as the SD card... that explain all
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2024-06-10T00:48:45 < qyx> first of all, why would internal flash faik together with sd card?
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2024-06-10T00:49:24 < qyx> I don't follow this reasoning
2024-06-10T00:49:48 < Phantom> don't worry, I don't understand it myself
2024-06-10T00:50:00 < Phantom> all I can think of is a powersupply instability that caused some damages
2024-06-10T00:50:18 < qyx> I did ton of different boards over years and I never managed to break a single one stm32
2024-06-10T00:50:37 < qyx> neither the internal bootloader
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2024-06-10T00:50:55 < qyx> or anything else which would make it nonresponsive
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2024-06-10T00:51:20 < qyx> so yeah maybe I don't jnow how to apply the right voltage
2024-06-10T00:53:43 < Phantom> that is why I suspect that somehow something happened to the powersupply and fried things
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2024-06-10T12:37:57 < Laurenceb_> arggg wtf
2024-06-10T12:38:05 < Laurenceb_> garbled audio data issue is back
2024-06-10T12:38:51 < Laurenceb_> wtf is going on
2024-06-10T12:39:16 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should ask on lunix channels
2024-06-10T12:40:48 < Steffanx> Maybe stop using oidio
2024-06-10T12:40:54 < Steffanx> On lunix
2024-06-10T12:41:08 < Laurenceb_> maybe its a hardware issue, last week it was working
2024-06-10T12:41:14 < Laurenceb_> I'll try playing a sine wave
2024-06-10T12:46:55 < ventYl> recent pulseaudio does that for me too, sometimes after sleep/wakeup cycle
2024-06-10T12:47:07 < ventYl> something similar windows occasionaly does too
2024-06-10T12:50:45 < BrainDamage> they are using direct alsa
2024-06-10T12:51:42 < BrainDamage> hopefully they also have a single audio consumer, which solves 90% of the audio woes in lunix
2024-06-10T12:52:14 < BrainDamage> which means there's a good chance that the problem is self inflicted
2024-06-10T12:52:43 < ventYl> with alsa, 90% of problems are caused by missing dmix config in .asoundrc or some software pushing audio directly to hw:0.0
2024-06-10T12:53:04 < ventYl> or by configuring dmix but not making it default
2024-06-10T12:53:06 < qyx> he has very different kind of issues
2024-06-10T12:53:11 < BrainDamage> they are using it as acquisition board
2024-06-10T12:53:27 < BrainDamage> you DON'T want dmix, or you'd up screwing the samples
2024-06-10T12:53:43 < qyx> his strain gauge stage is not wide enough
2024-06-10T12:54:08 < karlp> I think he  just needs crysal risers for his input cables, keep his sound stage wide.
2024-06-10T12:54:28 < ventYl> yeah, but without dmix, on most of modern hardware you get only one channel
2024-06-10T12:54:41 < ventYl> as HW mixing is thought to be obsolete
2024-06-10T12:55:00 < qyx> idk on my distro this thing always worked
2024-06-10T12:55:09 < qyx> I never messed with sound config
2024-06-10T12:55:19 < ventYl> because DMIX and/or pulseaudio provide SW mixing
2024-06-10T12:55:48 < Laurenceb_> problem is there with pure sine wave, maybe its hardware
2024-06-10T12:56:38 < BrainDamage> here's a wild idea, attach a radio and try to play the sound live using standard tools
2024-06-10T12:56:39 < ventYl> and how do you test it? did you isolate the problem to the shortest possible path, e.g. dumping input straight into binary?
2024-06-10T12:56:43 < BrainDamage> see if the audio is garbed
2024-06-10T12:57:18 < Laurenceb_> looks like output keeps cutting out
2024-06-10T12:57:25 < Laurenceb_> I'm testing with pure sine wave
2024-06-10T12:57:37 < Laurenceb_> I will try playing directly to the usb device
2024-06-10T12:58:22 < BrainDamage> you have 3 unknowns, the hw, the os' configuration and your code
2024-06-10T12:58:40 < BrainDamage> try to isolate the source of errors first by using standard tools
2024-06-10T12:58:56 < qyx> yeah it is 5 lines in gnuradio to get 1 kHz sine on the output
2024-06-10T12:59:09 < Laurenceb_> wtffffffff
2024-06-10T12:59:13 < Laurenceb_> its working after I rebooted
2024-06-10T12:59:27 < qyx> trash it, seriously
2024-06-10T12:59:34 < qyx> buy a NI cdaq and a proper daq
2024-06-10T12:59:43 < qyx> run windows
2024-06-10T12:59:55 < qyx> and move boxes in labview
2024-06-10T13:00:32 < karlp> you misspelled emerson qyx...
2024-06-10T13:00:34 < qyx> you should be well under 5000 eur for licenses and hardware
2024-06-10T13:00:37 < Laurenceb_> ok wtf
2024-06-10T13:00:46 < qyx> karlp: wut?
2024-06-10T13:00:49 < qyx> did I miss something?
2024-06-10T13:00:49 < Laurenceb_> usb locked up during boot, but that fixed the issue
2024-06-10T13:01:00 < karlp> only 8.2B acquisition, yeah...
2024-06-10T13:01:02 < karlp> no big news.
2024-06-10T13:01:07 < Laurenceb_> [   17.481276] usb 1-1-port1: cannot reset (err = -71)
2024-06-10T13:01:08 < Laurenceb_> [   17.481285] usb 1-1-port1: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
2024-06-10T13:01:20 < qyx> but but emerson?
2024-06-10T13:01:23 < karlp> yup.
2024-06-10T13:01:43 < karlp> somali pirate face: we're the controls people now!
2024-06-10T13:01:59 < Laurenceb_> ok so usb lockup and reset at boot fixes the issue
2024-06-10T13:02:20 < karlp> correlation doesn't imply causation.
2024-06-10T13:02:36 < BrainDamage> try resetting only the hw next time, not the whole os
2024-06-10T13:03:07 < BrainDamage> separately, unload/reload the alsa modules instead of resetting hw
2024-06-10T13:03:19 < qyx> I am genuinely surprised karlp, I must have been living under a rock
2024-06-10T13:03:34 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: there is "usbreset" for lunix
2024-06-10T13:03:41 < Laurenceb_> I'll look up error 71
2024-06-10T13:03:58 < Laurenceb_> doesnt looks like a hardware issue as its running reliably now
2024-06-10T13:04:01 < BrainDamage> I know, unplugging the cable also works :p
2024-06-10T13:04:10 < Laurenceb_> that didnt fix it before
2024-06-10T13:04:41 < BrainDamage> but the point is to determine if the hw is faulty or the kernel driver
2024-06-10T13:04:51 < BrainDamage> without your wild guesses
2024-06-10T13:06:52 < Laurenceb_> I'll try this https://github.com/jkulesza/usbreset
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2024-06-10T13:22:36 < Laurenceb_> usbreset doesnt fix it
2024-06-10T13:22:52 < Laurenceb_> usb hardware dis/re connect doesnt fix it
2024-06-10T13:23:36 < qyx> try reloading drivers next
2024-06-10T13:23:39 < qyx> kexec next
2024-06-10T13:24:07 < Laurenceb_> how do I do that?
2024-06-10T13:24:19 < qyx> reloading drivers? rmmod/modprobe/insmod?
2024-06-10T13:24:55 < qyx> one by one, alsa drivers first, usb drivers next, etc.
2024-06-10T13:34:11 < Laurenceb_> no its not the order of loading snd-usb-audio
2024-06-10T13:34:53 < Laurenceb_> I'm out of ideas
2024-06-10T13:35:46 < Laurenceb_> reloading alsa doesnt fix it
2024-06-10T13:35:53 < Laurenceb_> voltage is 4.87V
2024-06-10T13:37:12 < Laurenceb_> hmm time to give up
2024-06-10T13:48:30 < karlp> (it probably wasn't actually this usb reset, htat was just ocrrelated)
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2024-06-10T13:53:04 < karlp> fucking altium web browser shit still manages to crash firefox so badly that gnome desktop exits.
2024-06-10T13:53:07 < Laurenceb_> I'm going to dismantle the usb dongle, maybe thats at fault
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2024-06-10T13:55:00 < BrainDamage> too bad laurenceb doesn't dismantle himself, since he's the constant point in all his project failures
2024-06-10T13:57:19 < ventYl> :>
2024-06-10T14:38:42 < Steffanx> Lol
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2024-06-10T18:18:39 < karlp> protip: don't try and set a conditional breakpoitn with "b func_name if arg = x"
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2024-06-10T20:19:06 < jpa-> karlp: on the other hand, that sounds like a nice shorthand for modifying code behavior without bothering to set up breakpoint commands :)
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2024-06-10T21:29:55 < Laurenceb_> reeee
2024-06-10T21:30:13 < Laurenceb_> USB issue went away when I moved to usb2 port on pi4 rather than usb3 port
2024-06-10T21:30:21 < Laurenceb_> it doesnt appear on rpi3
2024-06-10T21:31:04 < Laurenceb_> the "Cannot enable . Maybe the usb cable is bad" seems related to the issue but doesnt 100% correlate
2024-06-10T21:44:37 < nomorekaki> hello early early
2024-06-10T21:44:44 < Steffanx> Good mr nomorekaki 
2024-06-10T21:45:03 < nomorekaki> we need a movie maybe
2024-06-10T21:45:15 < Steffanx> Pizza first
2024-06-10T21:45:22 < nomorekaki> :o
2024-06-10T21:48:45 < nomorekaki> I did forget pizza
2024-06-10T21:53:18 < nomorekaki> dune 2 was better than dune 1 Steffanx
2024-06-10T21:53:27 < nomorekaki> it's streaming now
2024-06-10T21:53:33 < Steffanx> Ready for Dune 3?
2024-06-10T21:53:46 < nomorekaki> yees
2024-06-10T21:54:26 < Steffanx> It felt like a typical Hollywood movie again though. First terribly slow, then the war is done in what felt 5 minutes. 
2024-06-10T21:55:04 < nomorekaki> yes
2024-06-10T21:59:30 < ventYl> well... its not dune 1 and dune 2
2024-06-10T21:59:40 < ventYl> its dune *part* 1 and dune *part* 2
2024-06-10T21:59:49 < Steffanx> That makes it even worse ;)
2024-06-10T22:00:09 < ventYl> it follows the book rather precisely
2024-06-10T22:00:46 < Steffanx> i bet
2024-06-10T22:00:58 < ventYl> and yeah, the book is similarly slow in building the world
2024-06-10T22:01:14 < ventYl> just, many layers that are in book, can't be captured in the movie. it would be 8+8 hours long
2024-06-10T22:01:53 < Steffanx> Perfect for a Netflix series
2024-06-10T22:02:32 < ventYl> nah, netflix would make Atreides black homosexual creeps
2024-06-10T22:09:10 < Steffanx> Anyway, i havent read the books so i can only judge the movie
2024-06-10T22:13:11 < nomorekaki> I have
2024-06-10T22:13:27 < nomorekaki> like over 15years ago
2024-06-10T22:13:30 < Steffanx> The Finnish translation?
2024-06-10T22:13:39 < nomorekaki> sure
2024-06-10T22:13:55 < ventYl> Paulikaki Atreidennen?
2024-06-10T22:14:08 < Steffanx> lol
2024-06-10T22:14:17 < nomorekaki> Pauli is actually finnish name
2024-06-10T22:14:44 < Steffanx> Not enough ä and ë's though
2024-06-10T22:15:01 < nomorekaki> but finns dont do that weird stuff where the names are translated somehow
2024-06-10T22:15:39 < Laurenceb_> hmm maybe muh Rpi4 is damaged
2024-06-10T22:15:49 < Laurenceb_> perhaps there is damage to a usb port
2024-06-10T22:15:56 < Steffanx> Oh that reminds me of lord of the rings. Did they finnishfy the names in there nomorekaki ?
2024-06-10T22:16:09 < nomorekaki> :O
2024-06-10T22:16:42 < nomorekaki> actually yes somewhat
2024-06-10T22:16:44 < Steffanx> is that a yes or no, nomorekaki ?
2024-06-10T22:17:03 < nomorekaki> frodo is frodo reppuli
2024-06-10T22:17:38 < Steffanx> hehe
2024-06-10T22:17:42 < Steffanx> Apparently dutch was an early translation of the books and the dutch names were tolkien approved.
2024-06-10T22:18:47 < nomorekaki> most of the names are orginal
2024-06-10T22:18:59 < nomorekaki> original*
2024-06-10T22:20:15 < nomorekaki> names of hobits have been translated
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2024-06-10T22:57:40 < Steffanx> y u no winning karlp ? -_-
2024-06-10T22:58:25 < Laurenceb_> does anyone know what causes the "cannot enable" dmesg output?
2024-06-10T22:58:44 < Laurenceb_> inability of hardware to go to idle state?
2024-06-10T23:11:29 < Laurenceb_> hmm looks like "protocol error", not very useful
2024-06-10T23:11:54 < Laurenceb_> looking at usb protocol, I suspect electrical connectivity issues could explain my problems
2024-06-10T23:12:16 < Laurenceb_> my pi is second hand and had been knocked about a bit perhaps...
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2024-06-10T23:28:46 < Steffanx> 2ns hand pis for hyperclone Laurenceb_ ?!
2024-06-10T23:31:19 < ventYl> save $4500 on hardware
2024-06-10T23:31:34 < ventYl> waste twice the amount on making it half-working
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2024-06-10T23:35:31 < Laurenceb_> someone stole the pi from the box to use to develop node red codez..
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2024-06-11T00:19:52 < karlp> Steffanx: used it up beating england last week
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2024-06-11T00:59:58 < qyx> You've unlocked a $10 3D printing coupon in your coupon center .
2024-06-11T01:00:00 < qyx> what will I make?
2024-06-11T01:00:24 < qyx> oh a v poslednom baliku mi dosiel este $10 na 6-20 layer
2024-06-11T01:02:47 < antto> 3D print another $10 coupon!
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2024-06-11T01:09:18 < Phantom> qyx: so, I tried to unlock at work, nope. but I can lock and unlock a 103. So yeah, the chip is dead...
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2024-06-11T10:46:52 < qyx> hey pros, LM62460
2024-06-11T10:47:06 < qyx> how on earth should I know whether I have adjustable or fixed version?
2024-06-11T10:47:24 < qyx> it is switching but not regulating
2024-06-11T10:48:40 < qyx> omg it is not in the datasheet but mouser tells
2024-06-11T10:48:46 < qyx> I have the 3V3 version apparentyl
2024-06-11T10:54:45 < jpa-> it seems like LM62460 only has adjustable version, while LM62460-Q1 has fixed versions also (and listed in datasheet)
2024-06-11T10:55:42 < jpa-> because LM62460Q3RPHRQ1 is so much more friendly than the LM62460-3.3 format that most regulators use ;)
2024-06-11T10:56:13 < qyx> i CAN'T SEE IT IN THE DATASHEET
2024-06-11T10:56:15 < qyx> sorry casp
2024-06-11T10:56:33 < jpa-> in the LM62460 datasheet or in the LM62460-Q1 datasheet?
2024-06-11T10:56:46 < qyx> oh!
2024-06-11T10:56:52 < jpa-> i wonder when will manufacturers realize that engineers choose parts based on how scary the part number is
2024-06-11T10:57:26 < qyx> of course I automatically selected without Q1 because those are usually aec-Q1
2024-06-11T10:57:41 < qyx> then when optimizing bom, Q1 was actually cheaper
2024-06-11T10:57:53 < qyx> so I bought Q1 without thinking much
2024-06-11T10:58:01 < qyx> or Q3 even
2024-06-11T10:58:20 < qyx> yeah LM62460Q3RPHRQ1
2024-06-11T10:58:26 < qyx> so it is both Q1 and Q3, the hell is that
2024-06-11T10:58:44 < qyx> *aec-q100/200
2024-06-11T10:58:50 < ventYl> jpa-: only after consumer electronic manufacturers will realize the same for their model numbers
2024-06-11T10:59:20 < qyx> fixed the divider, works now
2024-06-11T10:59:30 < jpa-> ventYl: well there i understand it, they have to have different model number for each store to avoid price matching and price comparisons
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2024-06-11T11:16:21 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/MgUt1/Screenshot_2024-06-11_10-16-01.png
2024-06-11T11:16:25 < qyx> this circuit doesn'ŧ work either
2024-06-11T11:16:51 < qyx> it backfeeds about 1.45 V from VBAT (powered at 7 V) to VBUS_LP (unpowered)
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2024-06-11T11:17:41 < qyx> when I short VBUS_LP to GND, it correctly turns BSS84 on and 7 V appears on the vreg
2024-06-11T11:17:58 < qyx> "short" current is 1.2 mA
2024-06-11T11:22:26 < qyx> but my head hurts looking at a depletion mode mosfet
2024-06-11T11:24:34 < jpa-> what's the goal?
2024-06-11T11:24:48 < jpa-> but BAT54 has relatively high leakage current
2024-06-11T11:26:13 < qyx> the goal is to disconnect battery when VBUS_LP is present
2024-06-11T11:26:26 < qyx> VBAT > VBUS_LP
2024-06-11T11:26:35 < jpa-> and presumably you don't want a pulldown resistor draining current from VBUS_LP?
2024-06-11T11:26:59 < qyx> yes, I have a 1 meg there to check if VBUS_LP is present by the MCU
2024-06-11T11:27:10 < qyx> but replacing with 100k doesn't help either
2024-06-11T11:27:38 < qyx> I mean there is a 1M/1M divider from VBUS_LP to GND
2024-06-11T11:27:50 < qyx> or 100k/100k
2024-06-11T11:28:43 < jpa-> bat54 would be expected to leak about 0.5µA, but yeah, 200kohm should get that pretty low if that is the only problem
2024-06-11T11:29:52 < jpa-> but when Q4 is turning on, R27 will pull VBUS_LP up
2024-06-11T11:29:53 < qyx> I can desolder it
2024-06-11T11:30:21 < qyx> hmm
2024-06-11T11:31:10 < qyx> yes that's suspicious
2024-06-11T11:31:20 < qyx> I'll try replacing that 10k with a 1M
2024-06-11T11:35:13 < qyx> now Q3 gate is 5.7 V, source/VBAT is 7 V
2024-06-11T11:35:20 < qyx> VBUS_LP is 1.7 V
2024-06-11T11:35:39 < jpa-> with 100k/100k pulldown on VBUS_LP?
2024-06-11T11:35:45 < qyx> yes
2024-06-11T11:35:55 < qyx> I need additional 0.36 mA to pull it down to 0
2024-06-11T11:36:20 < jpa-> interesting
2024-06-11T11:36:46 < jpa-> (as an aside, less fancy circuit would be to just have 2x TPS709 and drive the EN pin, considering it blocks reverse current when disabled)
2024-06-11T11:37:11 < qyx> I didn't even though about that
2024-06-11T11:37:51 < jpa-> i don't think 0.36 mA on VBUS_LP can come through any of the components shown
2024-06-11T11:38:17 < jpa-> R27 of 1M should not provide more than 7µA and BAT54 max 2µA
2024-06-11T11:38:19 < qyx> increasing VBAT to 9 V keeps 0.36 mA pulldown required
2024-06-11T11:38:40 < jpa-> so there has to be something else that pulls up VBUS_LP
2024-06-11T11:38:43 < qyx> but decreases 1.7 V on bat54 to 1.63 V
2024-06-11T11:39:05 < qyx> gate is on 8.0 V
2024-06-11T11:39:13 < qyx> hrmpfh
2024-06-11T11:39:32 < qyx> isn't bss139 upside down
2024-06-11T11:39:49 < jpa-> even if you replace BSS139 with a short it wouldn't explain it :)
2024-06-11T11:41:29 < qyx> ah another fail, when powering using VBUS_LP it backfeeds 5 V to VBAT
2024-06-11T11:41:53 < qyx> thoruh BSS139 and R27 but that should not be a problem
2024-06-11T11:42:54 < jpa-> only if VBAT is below 5.5-0.7V
2024-06-11T11:43:15 < qyx> it keeps VBAT at 4.5 even if there is no battery
2024-06-11T11:43:20 < jpa-> true
2024-06-11T11:45:50 < qyx> replacing BSS139 with a 10k resistor between drain and source
2024-06-11T11:50:57 < qyx> *gnd
2024-06-11T12:00:20 < qyx> ok so don't even ask what was the problem
2024-06-11T12:02:23 < jpa-> i demand to know
2024-06-11T12:03:00 < qyx> I lied, because instead of bat54c I used two discrete diodes laying around
2024-06-11T12:03:04 < qyx> apparently pmeg2010
2024-06-11T12:04:12 < qyx> with much higher reverse current (5 uA) but still not enough to cause that sort of problems
2024-06-11T12:04:23 < qyx> anyway, replacing with a proper bat54c solvet this particular issue
2024-06-11T12:05:35 < jpa-> but why
2024-06-11T12:05:36 < qyx> another one emerged, when I disconnect VBUS_LP, there are caps holding the voltage for a while and there is a window between 5.0 V and 1.3 V when the output is following VBAT
2024-06-11T12:05:45 < qyx> obviously the MCU resets
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2024-06-11T12:06:07 < jpa-> heh
2024-06-11T12:06:35 < qyx> I hate EE
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2024-06-11T12:07:55 < qyx> I guess Q4 gate should not be at GND but at about 3V3
2024-06-11T12:08:14 < qyx> to switchover at 3V3 + Vgs threshold
2024-06-11T12:08:31 < qyx> I can do that
2024-06-11T12:11:33 < jpa-> wouldn't that be 4.7V which sounds rather high if expected VBUS_LP is 4.5..5.5V?
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2024-06-11T12:21:40 < qyx> yes, doesn't work
2024-06-11T12:31:15 < jpa-> replace Q3 with a 3-pin 4V fixed voltage low-iq regulator and be happy
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2024-06-11T12:36:01 < qyx> that would work too
2024-06-11T12:36:44 < qyx> ok works, I am feeding Q4 gate with a 10k/4k7 divider (2.25 V), works great
2024-06-11T12:36:46 < qyx> no glitches at all
2024-06-11T12:36:56 < qyx> I'll fix in the next revision
2024-06-11T12:37:53 < jpa-> 0.5mA, such low iq
2024-06-11T12:38:15 < qyx> that's because 4k7 was the only 0204 THT resistor I have
2024-06-11T12:38:48 < jpa-> TIL: 0204 is a THT size
2024-06-11T12:39:36 < qyx> now that the risky part is over, let's solder the MCU
2024-06-11T12:39:41 < qyx> and battery holders
2024-06-11T12:40:09 < jpa-> i always go all-in on prototypes
2024-06-11T12:40:19 < jpa-> first solder the expensive parts, then check if Vdd is correct
2024-06-11T12:40:36 < ventYl> jpa-: same here :>
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2024-06-11T13:09:04 < BrainDamage> I always solder the big stuff first ... which is usually also the most expensive
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2024-06-11T14:41:58 < qyx> a paradajky su zelene
2024-06-11T14:42:00 < qyx> sry
2024-06-11T15:02:11 < Steffanx> Yes
2024-06-11T15:22:55 < qyx> so my low power design draws 105 mW
2024-06-11T15:23:22 < BrainDamage> is it installed in a nuclear submarine?
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2024-06-11T15:49:20 < karlp> little m...
2024-06-11T15:49:47 < karlp> looking at renode, lottttt of gaps for the platform of itnerest....
2024-06-11T15:55:31 < qyx> my opamp is not opamping, fail after fail
2024-06-11T16:05:24 < qyx> 87%, 12V in, 5V out, 2A out
2024-06-11T16:05:49 < qyx> thing is starting to get a bit warm
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2024-06-11T19:02:59 < Guest25> Hello, I'm communicating over UART between my STM32 Nucleo board and my computer. I want to receive and transmit data in a non-blocking manner, using interrupts. In my code, before the main while loop (which is empty), I call the function HAL_UART_Receive_IT and it seems that unless I start by sending data from my computer to the Nucleo board, the
2024-06-11T19:02:59 < Guest25> Nucleo board can't be the one to transmit first to my computer. I wonder if I can change this behavior. I wish I didn't have to call HAL_UART_Receive_IT first, but the the receive interrupt handler HAL_UART_RxCpltCallback doesn't trigger if I don't call HAL_UART_Receive_IT in main()
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2024-06-11T19:32:28 < Guest25> My bad, I was forgetting to initiate the data to be sent
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2024-06-12T00:05:13 < qyx> so I decided my software is bug-free
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2024-06-12T13:23:23 < Laurenceb_> arggg I hate lunix audio
2024-06-12T13:23:50 < Laurenceb_> looks like rpi4 is incapable of talking to two usb audio devices at once under certain conditions
2024-06-12T13:24:06 < Laurenceb_> this is really weird
2024-06-12T13:24:41 < Laurenceb_> I can set one device to be set up and boot and it works, then plug another device in and it works, but have two devices plugged in at boot and it fails
2024-06-12T13:26:58 < Laurenceb_> hmm I made it work - added a delay
2024-06-12T13:27:47 < Laurenceb_> I dont get it
2024-06-12T13:27:51 < Laurenceb_> this works on pi3
2024-06-12T13:29:40 < Laurenceb_> woah found the bug https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/3962
2024-06-12T13:30:35 < jpa-> "There is a limit of a maximum of 1023 bytes of periodic full-speed data per frame on Pi 4's VL805 USB controller." lol
2024-06-12T13:35:51 < karlp> hah, yeah, sounds like you got via'd
2024-06-12T13:35:56 < karlp> pretty suck
2024-06-12T13:36:37 < karlp> solution: external usb2-mtt hubs or pi3?
2024-06-12T13:36:42 < karlp> sucktastic.
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2024-06-12T14:18:50 < karlp> vl805 isn't even listed on their products anymore
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2024-06-12T14:48:06 < qyx> isn't that RF's business model?
2024-06-12T14:48:16 < qyx> buy factory leftovers and make a half working sbc?
2024-06-12T14:48:34 < qyx> and let the community handle it
2024-06-12T14:48:42 < qyx> "it is for learning only! not serious bsns!"
2024-06-12T15:13:43 < machinehum> RF?
2024-06-12T15:13:53 < qyx> raspi foundation
2024-06-12T15:13:57 < machinehum> oh
2024-06-12T15:14:05 < BrainDamage> yes, and then people use it for serious business, and cry
2024-06-12T15:15:40 < machinehum> What SBCs are marketed towards serious business? Other than crusty PC104 stuff
2024-06-12T15:16:20 < qyx> idk toradex from top of my head
2024-06-12T15:16:28 < qyx> they make some
2024-06-12T15:16:50 < qyx> mxm3 stuff
2024-06-12T15:17:52 < qyx> that is elma, kontron
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2024-06-12T17:14:38 < karlp> hwo did laurence rage about emfcamp and not be the one to tell us about the orphan sources taht turned up there? lame lolrence.
2024-06-12T17:16:28 < BrainDamage> do you have a link? that sounds like a spicy story
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2024-06-12T18:30:49 < karlp> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40557289 is probably a good start
2024-06-12T18:31:05 < karlp> I've not dug into deeply
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2024-06-12T18:40:35 < BrainDamage> thanks
2024-06-12T18:52:27 < karlp> fucking, realise nfs without doing ldap accoutns is going to be amess user perms wise, look at doign cifs.
2024-06-12T18:52:30 < karlp> symlinks what lol?
2024-06-12T18:54:12 < BrainDamage> do not deplloy nfs
2024-06-12T18:54:46 < BrainDamage> even with nfs 4 the list of caveats is stupidly long
2024-06-12T18:55:13 < BrainDamage> the most turnkey solution for nfs woes is ... use kerberos, which is a giant corporate-like software
2024-06-12T18:55:37 < karlp> eyah, I've used nfs for years between myself and one machine, 
2024-06-12T18:55:38 < mawk> you don't have to use ldap
2024-06-12T18:55:51 < mawk> but if you don't, probably don't use accounts at all
2024-06-12T18:55:58 < karlp> but it seems like a deadend for tryign to make this more generally available as backup/nas for the family.
2024-06-12T18:56:02 < mawk> depends on what you want to do
2024-06-12T18:56:06 < mawk> ah
2024-06-12T18:56:10 < karlp> but cifs is giving me new headaches
2024-06-12T18:56:11 < mawk> if it's family a single account is fine
2024-06-12T18:56:16 < karlp> no, fuck that.
2024-06-12T18:56:21 < mawk> I use cifs with a single fixed account 
2024-06-12T18:56:28 < mawk> and anyone in the lan can use it
2024-06-12T18:56:32 < karlp> I absolutely do not want myt children being able to just have read/write access to my own backups
2024-06-12T18:56:37 < mawk> lol
2024-06-12T18:56:43 < mawk> well you can still have several shares
2024-06-12T18:56:59 < mawk> they will have access to them if they discover the name and try to connect to it
2024-06-12T18:57:11 < mawk> and if they do you succeeded as a parent and should be proud
2024-06-12T18:57:16 < karlp> my problem right now is that I have users on the qnap, and I can mount, and only I can see it, cool, but it doesn't support symlinks.
2024-06-12T18:57:17 < mawk> even if they destroy the backups 
2024-06-12T18:57:35 < karlp> despite trying the "unix" "sfu" options to mount, and the "allow symbolic links within shared folders" option in the qnap side.
2024-06-12T19:23:31 < karlp> mfsymlinks seems to work.
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2024-06-12T20:27:47 < qyx> karlp: sshfs no gud?
2024-06-12T20:27:53 < qyx> I am using it exclusively
2024-06-12T20:28:20 < qyx> everything works, no server setup besides accounys/keys
2024-06-12T20:28:52 < qyx> gvfs/sshfs from linux, cx file explorer or total co  ander or andftp from android,idk wi dows
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2024-06-12T22:04:53 < Laurenceb_> usb is "working" with multi-tt usb2 hub, but now I dont have enough volts
2024-06-12T22:05:03 < Laurenceb_> prob a polyfuse in this hub
2024-06-12T22:11:57 < Laurenceb_> the absolute state of hyperberry
2024-06-12T22:12:18 < Laurenceb_> >cheap as chips chinese hub works 10 times better than pi usb ""3""
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2024-06-12T23:01:28 < karlp> I gave up on sshfs ages ago, shitty perf.  and if I was aftera s olution that was good enough for just me, nfs would have been ok.
2024-06-12T23:01:46 < karlp> but I'm trying to have a better more applicable nas solution for the whole family's growing needs.
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2024-06-12T23:17:29 < specing> karlp: maybe samba & webdav access for mobiles (DavX app in fdroid)?
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2024-06-12T23:50:42 < qyx> karlp: nah getting 20 MB/s on my kitchen server
2024-06-12T23:54:21 < BrainDamage> I get about ~90MB/s with ssh over lan
2024-06-12T23:54:40 < BrainDamage> but I use hpn ssh, and I chose a cypher supported by hw ( AES GCM )
2024-06-12T23:55:22 < BrainDamage> the TLDR of hpn ssh is that ssh has hardcoded tcp window, which is far from optimal in high bandwith lans
2024-06-12T23:55:45 < BrainDamage> and it also allows you to use cyphers that have hw acceleration and can benefit from multithreading
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2024-06-13T00:02:25 < qyx> I would say chacha20+poly1306 can easily reach full interface potential on mid-level hardware
2024-06-13T00:02:54 < BrainDamage> proabably, but I didn't want to dick around more than necessary
2024-06-13T00:03:11 < BrainDamage> all my devices support AES in hw, so i've just set that
2024-06-13T00:03:56 < BrainDamage> because your throughtput will be limited by the shittiest device on the link
2024-06-13T00:05:11 < qyx> lol I can't do openssl speed because old
2024-06-13T00:05:52 < qyx> https://bash-prompt.net/guides/bash-ssh-ciphers/
2024-06-13T00:05:54 < qyx> I don't have to
2024-06-13T00:26:03 < karlp> fucking now I've got the whole "lol, cifs is case insensitve" fuckups
2024-06-13T00:26:44 < karlp> specing: yeah, I got a qnap, and it's looking like moving to cifs and/or webdav.  I've at least got a backup in progress again.
2024-06-13T00:27:01 < specing> karlp: DavX also needed for seedvault backups on modern lineageos
2024-06-13T00:27:16 < specing> though I personally hate it, but whatever
2024-06-13T00:27:20 < karlp> hrm, I was probably limited on sshfs by the openwrt cpu I always used it for.
2024-06-13T00:31:37 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone have a link for purchasing those display buttons like Streamdeck has?
2024-06-13T00:32:03 < ColdKeyboard> Like this one https://www.eliostruyf.com/uploads/2020/05/elgato1.jpg
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2024-06-13T03:34:34 < qyx> catphish: just found your stm32_vfd, do you have your current code available somewhere?
2024-06-13T03:35:35 < qyx> we were talking about the vfd in the past
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2024-06-13T05:10:36 < NoSpark> hi all, can anyone tell me which STM32 series has the 4 channel PWM on timer one? the one with PWM CH4 and CH4N  (the dead time hardware)
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2024-06-13T08:56:52 < qyx> NoSpark: I would use st.com, it has filters for that
2024-06-13T08:57:13 < NoSpark> there is no filter for that feature :(
2024-06-13T08:57:27 < NoSpark> you can only search by PWMs
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2024-06-13T09:25:51 < qyx> really? hm
2024-06-13T09:25:57 < jpa-> at least STM32G4 has
2024-06-13T09:26:10 < NoSpark> are you sure?
2024-06-13T09:26:16 < jpa-> refman says so
2024-06-13T09:26:23 < jpa-> you can also use HRTIM for 4x PWM on chips that have it
2024-06-13T09:27:02 < jpa-> block diagram in reference manual is quick to check to compare families
2024-06-13T09:27:28 < NoSpark> I actually need to drive 8 half bridges at synchronously
2024-06-13T09:27:43 < jpa-> sounds like a job for HRTIM
2024-06-13T09:28:25 < jpa-> the TIM1/TIM8 PWM is not very versatile in alignment of pulses etc.
2024-06-13T09:28:28 < NoSpark> stm32G431 doesn't have them
2024-06-13T09:28:50 < qyx> 431 is the lowest one in the family
2024-06-13T09:28:55 < NoSpark> there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to which chips have them
2024-06-13T09:29:36 < qyx> I am trying to use te web but all I have is a background video
2024-06-13T09:30:16 < NoSpark> STM32G473 has it
2024-06-13T09:30:17 < jpa-> STMCUFinder can at least search for HRTIM, e.g. STM32G474 has it
2024-06-13T09:31:05 < qyx> you are right the web is unusable now
2024-06-13T09:31:09 < qyx> where is the search
2024-06-13T09:31:22 < jpa-> "now"
2024-06-13T09:32:18 < qyx> oh I have to click "mainstream" at least
2024-06-13T09:33:35 < qyx> I am sure I have seen filters for "timer channels", "adc channels", "16 bit adc cannels", "comparators", etc
2024-06-13T09:33:41 < qyx> was it in the cube?
2024-06-13T09:34:44 < jpa-> stmcufinder has adc channels but for timers just the total number of timers, not channels per timer
2024-06-13T09:35:14 < jpa-> and especially not that "does it have CH4N or not" that is the main difference, every TIM1 has CH4 but only some have the complementary output
2024-06-13T09:35:40 < jpa-> the datasheet does have a table of "complementary outputs" which has the info
2024-06-13T09:36:12 < qyx> I challenged the same issue in te past and I solved it somehow
2024-06-13T09:36:23 < qyx> by using *tools* instead of manual labour
2024-06-13T09:38:37 < qyx> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/tinygo-org/stm32-svd/main/svd/stm32g474.svd doesn't contain anything useful either
2024-06-13T09:39:42 < jpa-> it does, by grepping for CC4NE
2024-06-13T09:40:06 < qyx> really
2024-06-13T09:41:26 < jpa-> so that gives as the answer: stm32g431 stm32g431 stm32g431 stm32g441 stm32g441 stm32g441 stm32g471 stm32g471 stm32g471 stm32g473 stm32g473 stm32g473 stm32g474 stm32g474 stm32g474 stm32g483 stm32g483 stm32g483 stm32g484 stm32g484 stm32g484 stm32g491 stm32g491 stm32g491 stm32g4a1 stm32g4a1 stm32g4a1
2024-06-13T09:41:43 < jpa-> yet e.g. g431 doesn't really have it
2024-06-13T09:42:50 < qyx> then there is the limitation of pin count, lower pin count doesn't have it or is in some obvious conflict
2024-06-13T09:42:53 < jpa-> no, wait, G431 does have it
2024-06-13T09:43:05 < jpa-> so yeah, that SVD method seems to be accurate
2024-06-13T09:43:53 < qyx> I tried to use github's search but that didn't yield any results
2024-06-13T09:43:59 < qyx> but I can't github
2024-06-13T10:03:19 < BrainDamage> I've reached the conclusion that github search is a piece of garbage and if I want to search a project source it's best if I clone and search locally
2024-06-13T10:05:31 < qyx> stm32 search tool when
2024-06-13T10:06:17 < qyx> NoSpark: what are you doing, some fancy full bridges?
2024-06-13T10:06:28 < NoSpark> I wish :)
2024-06-13T10:06:47 < NoSpark> no, I'm driving a stepper lol
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2024-06-13T10:54:30 < rob_w> i am really having a hard time with unaligned accesses and mpu and stuff ... is there anyone to help me please 
2024-06-13T11:00:52 < NoSpark> qyx: I'm trying to drive a bipolar stepper in both unipolar and bipolar modes, switching between the two as needed.  I'm also using a "Quad Bipolar" mode, where each individual coil on a 8 wire stepper can be driven bipolar independently. It works okay with 4 half bridges on GPIO and 4 on PWM Timer, but the GPIO is hard to sync. I was thinking I could use TIM 1 for the first 2 coils and timer 8 for the second 2. 
2024-06-13T11:08:59 < NoSpark> in theory, this should allow me to have both higher speed at low torque and higher torque at low speed, compared to a standard 4 h-bridge driver
2024-06-13T11:14:26 < NoSpark> I wonder how hard wit would be to make a new stm32 finder tool that searched the library for pin definitions to create it's library, and also allowed you to detect pin conflicts (like how the CAN and USB can't be used on STM32F103, for example)
2024-06-13T11:14:58 < NoSpark> *library = STM32 software library headers
2024-06-13T12:30:47 < qyx> problem of CAN/USB on F103 is not conflicting pins but a shared memory iirc
2024-06-13T13:20:56 < mawk> why are people still buying F103s
2024-06-13T13:20:59 < mawk> it's 2024
2024-06-13T13:21:22 < mawk> what are you doing with the mpu rob_w 
2024-06-13T13:21:29 < mawk> and why is your memory not aligned properly 
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2024-06-13T13:54:45 < rob_w> mawk: ... ask me , i dont know, to sum up , i use freertos, lwip + freemodbus, i took over the projects form a former collegue, soo this happens
2024-06-13T13:56:41 < rob_w> if i enable "exception on unaligned access" in the debugger session then it throws that very early, this seems to be gone by using gcc -mno-unaligned-access, but still when multiple clients connect then after some time the watchdog fires 
2024-06-13T13:57:30 < rob_w> i will disable the wdg now and see if the ide catches the conditions to get a idea whats going on ... 
2024-06-13T13:58:18 < rob_w> this is on H7 
2024-06-13T14:02:29 < rob_w> so either my mpu stuff is not correct or i got a stupid bug somewhere in the tcp or modbus parts
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2024-06-13T14:59:16 < mawk> unaligned access is just slower rob_w 
2024-06-13T14:59:26 < mawk> but it's not triggering your watchdog
2024-06-13T14:59:55 < rob_w> ok , dont care about slow now .. i think i got to something 
2024-06-13T15:00:01 < mawk> if it's the WWDG watchdog you can put an exception handler to see in which task you were stuck
2024-06-13T15:00:28 < rob_w> i disabled the wdg and let go stuck and saw something in my portcp.c from freemodbus ... 
2024-06-13T15:01:04 < rob_w> it basicly got into a endless loop with disabled irqs 
2024-06-13T15:01:13 < rob_w> ... i think ... 
2024-06-13T15:02:15 < rob_w> i looped in vListInsert() from freertos ... and the calls before where a netconn_delete() from the modbus which was wrapped in taskENTER_CRITICAL() calls
2024-06-13T15:03:41 < rob_w> i remove the CRITICAL calls and it feels more stable now with 10 clients , before that it took only minutes to stuck, now i am happliy beyond 10minutes 
2024-06-13T15:04:25 < rob_w> i saw in the git that my collegue added those long ago without comments , maybe those are not right in this  situatuion
2024-06-13T15:16:43 < mawk> well it could certainly lead to a deadllck
2024-06-13T15:16:57 < mawk> if you're in a critical section and waiting for a variable to change
2024-06-13T15:25:34 < rob_w> yeah , well who knows, i certaintly dont, as i am kinda new to stm32
2024-06-13T15:28:00 < rob_w> i also guess that the freemodbus stuff is far to old now ... what is a recent and active modbus library for a stm32h7 for lwip or such ? do you know ? 
2024-06-13T15:28:54 < mawk> no never used CAN
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2024-06-13T21:34:47 < Steffanx> Why not?
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2024-06-13T22:52:55 < catphish> qyx: that was a very old project, what's there is there, the general functionality works, but the current control algorithm probably sucks
2024-06-13T22:53:16 < catphish> qyx: i switched to working on openinverter https://github.com/jsphuebner/stm32-sine
2024-06-13T22:55:21 < qyx> is it hard to port to a new hardware?
2024-06-13T22:59:35 < Steffanx> > gpl. i thought qyx hates gpl
2024-06-13T22:59:46 < qyx> no I like it
2024-06-13T23:05:15 < Steffanx> Hm
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2024-06-13T23:46:28 < catphish> qyx: yes probably, to be honest i'd just start again
2024-06-13T23:47:29 < qyx> noooo
2024-06-13T23:47:38 < catphish> actually outputting a 3 phase sine wave to 3 PWM channels isn't that hard, everything else is just your own choice of algorithm
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2024-06-14T16:19:12 < qyx> does mouser search work?
2024-06-14T16:38:26 < Steffanx> Nope
2024-06-14T16:40:01 < qyx> at least google works
2024-06-14T16:40:12 < qyx> We are currently working to fix an issue affecting the performance of our website. We apologise for any inconvenience and expect to have the problem resolved very soon.
2024-06-14T16:41:17 < qyx> ok mouser doesn't work at all
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2024-06-14T16:53:18 < Mangy_Dog> i oftern wonder if mouser runs there website on the very limits of allowable performance... so the moment more than 10 people start searching, it falls over
2024-06-14T16:53:24 < Mangy_Dog> 9 perfectly fine... 10,,, crap out
2024-06-14T16:58:50 < machinehum> lol
2024-06-14T16:59:17 < machinehum> Is that digi or mouser when you select a bunch of stuff in the filter and it takes like years to compute
2024-06-14T17:04:16 < Mangy_Dog> with mouser in its parametric search, if you lighlight a large list of values, IE a range............... it craps out
2024-06-14T17:04:19 < Mangy_Dog> comes back with an error
2024-06-14T17:04:34 < machinehum> 10/10 web design
2024-06-14T17:04:43 < Mangy_Dog> so if youre looking for a bunch of resistors within the values 1k-10k... and you select between them itll crap out
2024-06-14T17:04:52 < Mangy_Dog> (actually 1-10k is probebly ok but you get the idea)
2024-06-14T17:05:07 < machinehum> One would think they would have that fixed
2024-06-14T17:05:23 < machinehum> Doesn't seem like much of a challenge
2024-06-14T17:05:36 < machinehum> How are your startrek units?
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2024-06-14T19:41:04 < boddax> FatFs stil available for F7 ?
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2024-06-14T19:47:33 < jpa-> how wouldn't it be?
2024-06-14T19:53:21 < boddax> yes still just imported but still ff,h not found oh jesus
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2024-06-14T19:58:33 < boddax> ff.h:32:2: error: #error Wrong configuration file (ffconf.h).
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2024-06-14T21:22:46 < qyx> Mangy_Dog: mouser works so far the best for me, of course it errs when you select 1000 filters
2024-06-14T21:22:57 < qyx> I usually select the most specific filters first
2024-06-14T21:23:24 < qyx> eg. "in stock", which reduces the amount of items n-times
2024-06-14T21:24:04 < qyx> then for resistors I know I want 1% only, 0603 only, 25/50/100 ppm for example
2024-06-14T21:24:36 < qyx> when you apply, there is not many options left for the values
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2024-06-14T21:38:41 < Laurenceb_> >go to park
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2024-06-14T21:39:01 < Laurenceb_> >alcoholic losers mashing bottles on childrens play park
2024-06-14T21:39:06 < Laurenceb_> its Ukie tiem
2024-06-14T21:39:30 < Laurenceb_> time to send them back home
2024-06-14T21:42:02 < antto> Laurenceb_, are you witnessing vandalism?
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2024-06-14T21:44:15 < Laurenceb_> I'm witnessing ukie culture
2024-06-14T21:46:28 < antto> two badmouthed teenagers in the bus blew a cloud of vape smoke right before they get off
2024-06-14T21:46:59 < antto> >:/
2024-06-14T21:50:29 < boddax> they call climatic migration 
2024-06-14T21:51:49 < boddax> brain vaporized before to left
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2024-06-14T22:17:56 < Laurenceb_> https://x.com/hackerfantastic/status/1800570095619784865
2024-06-14T22:18:00 < Laurenceb_> cool story bro
2024-06-14T22:18:06 < Laurenceb_> >Sailsbury
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2024-06-14T23:06:55 < catphish> Salisbury is my corner of the world!
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2024-06-14T23:24:56 < Steffanx> Is catphish a secret russian agent? Explains your nick!
2024-06-14T23:25:16 < catphish> no, i'm a british secret agent
2024-06-14T23:25:25 < catphish> *normal bitish person
2024-06-14T23:26:10 < Steffanx> I see
2024-06-14T23:29:14 < qyx> captish
2024-06-14T23:41:31 < qyx> also, which hv connectors did catphish use?
2024-06-14T23:44:54 < catphish> ELR4A03 / ELP4A03 - 4 pin connector, 70A, 6mm^2
2024-06-14T23:44:54 < catphish> SLPRBBPSO / SLPPB35BSO - 1 pin 150A 35mm^2 connector
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2024-06-14T23:47:17 < qyx> I like the first one, 70 A is enough for me
2024-06-14T23:47:43 < qyx> I am also eyeballing this https://www.te.com/en/products/connectors/automotive-connectors/intersection/hva1200.html?tab=pgp-story
2024-06-14T23:49:01 < catphish> qyx: that first one comes in various pole counts too, there's 2 pole as well as the 4 that i used
2024-06-14T23:49:36 < catphish> ie ELR2A03
2024-06-14T23:50:04 < qyx> yeah I need 40A for the battery connection and 3x about 20A for the motor
2024-06-14T23:50:14 < qyx> 15 kW at 400 V
2024-06-14T23:50:21 < catphish> and ELR3A03
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2024-06-14T23:51:27 < qyx> oh that hva1200 is expensive
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2024-06-15T00:25:11 < qyx> catphish: did you order terminals separately? I am getting mad at their docs, they are not being helpful in any way
2024-06-15T00:25:36 < qyx> their catalog is virtually nonexistent, datasheets the same, no drawings so far that I found
2024-06-15T00:27:23 < catphish> qyx: looks like i ordered only ELR4A03 and ELP4A03, pretty sure it comes with all parts / terminals included
2024-06-15T00:27:49 < catphish> but... it's really easy to assemble in the wrong order, and you get no spares! so be really careful
2024-06-15T00:29:32 < qyx> k thanks, I like them and they are pretty cheap, definitely cheaper than hartings
2024-06-15T00:29:49 < qyx> did you use shielded wires?
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2024-06-15T18:46:37 < Laurenceb_> damn flipsky 75200 looks hawt
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2024-06-15T20:45:04 < bitmask> heyo
2024-06-15T20:45:57 < bitmask> anyone if caffeine withdrawals will disappear when taking paraxanthine instead?
2024-06-15T20:46:11 < bitmask> know*
2024-06-15T20:47:58 < Steffanx> Time for a coffee, bitmask  :P
2024-06-15T20:48:13 < bitmask> i take caffeine pills every morning
2024-06-15T20:48:27 < bitmask> wanted to try this parxanthine stuff
2024-06-15T20:48:29 < Steffanx> mucho mg that is i assume?
2024-06-15T20:48:38 < bitmask> its pretty high, 200mg
2024-06-15T20:53:37 < bitmask> paraxanthine is expensive though, caffeine is 4.4 cents a pill and para is 87 cents
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2024-06-15T23:51:57 < qyx> ##drugs32?
2024-06-15T23:56:15 < Steffanx> Where is mawk?
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2024-06-16T01:43:21 < qyx> speaking of drugs and e-ink, have you ever seen e-ink mechanical buttons?
2024-06-16T01:46:42 < qyx> hm 1.54" is the smallest e-ink on buydisplay
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2024-06-17T20:59:03 < Steffanx> Party time for qyx i see.
2024-06-17T21:15:13 < qyx> broken interwebs
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2024-06-17T21:39:29 < Steffanx> Must be because of the sportsball results, qyx 
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2024-06-19T22:54:46 < Laurenceb_> kek wtf
2024-06-19T22:55:02 < Laurenceb_> >Farrage wants to put all drug dealers in prison for life without parole
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2024-06-20T02:51:37 < aandrew> benishor: vorbesti romaneste?
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2024-06-20T08:45:07 < qyx> now I know where does "ogg vorbis" come from
2024-06-20T09:20:01 < mawk> egg
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2024-06-20T13:03:44 < benishor> aandrew: desigur ca da
2024-06-20T13:03:49 < benishor> sunt roman
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2024-06-20T14:12:56 < vampirefrog> atenție la portofel
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2024-06-20T15:58:46 < aandrew> benishor: no, but I'm married to one. I am trying to find a technical translation for the phrase "Etanș cu configurație militară rezistenta la colturi din cauciuc" -- google translate is saying "Sealed with military configuration resistant to rubber corners" which doesn't really work. I'm guessing that it's a sealed (IP66 or IP67) enclosure with rubberized edges/corners but I'm not sure. I'm guessing 
2024-06-20T15:58:50 < aandrew> there's a military spec that describes the enclosure better?
2024-06-20T15:59:20 < aandrew> my wife can translate but the terminology is lost on her as she's non technical
2024-06-20T15:59:42 < aandrew> vampirefrog: lol
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2024-06-20T16:01:08 < aandrew> vampirefrog: when I visited Bran Castle our tour guide was telling jokes to pass the time and one of them involved flying over europe and someone sticking their hand out the window to tell where they were. The punch line was when he stuck his hand out and said "ah, we're over Romania" "how do you know?" "my watch is missing"
2024-06-20T16:05:16 < vampirefrog> "Military configuration seal resistent to rubber corners"
2024-06-20T16:05:33 < vampirefrog> I think it just means mil spec
2024-06-20T16:05:53 < vampirefrog> you'd have to show a pic
2024-06-20T16:06:27 < vampirefrog> resistant*
2024-06-20T16:08:40 < vampirefrog> bruh it's so hot out
2024-06-20T16:10:31 < aandrew> there isn't a picture, they're asking for an inverter design and this was part of the (brief) specification
2024-06-20T16:11:23 < aandrew> yeah I am usually near Toronto in Canada but I've been in southern california for the last 10 months or so. It's actually been (considerably) cooler here
2024-06-20T16:12:40 < qyx> I need such inverter now
2024-06-20T16:12:48 < vampirefrog> bro this AC is not doing its job
2024-06-20T16:12:55 < vampirefrog> I'm gonna set it to 15C
2024-06-20T16:12:59 < qyx> tomorrow actually
2024-06-20T16:14:22 < vampirefrog> aandrew: it could also mean "mil spec seal, resistant to corners, made of rubber" it's probably google translated to begin with
2024-06-20T16:14:31 < vampirefrog> or translated by someone who doesn't give a hoot
2024-06-20T16:15:12 < vampirefrog> it should be rezistentă, not rezistenta
2024-06-20T16:15:58 < vampirefrog> btw I've heard all the romanian jokes and there's basically 2 or 3 of them total
2024-06-20T16:16:15 < vampirefrog> romanians steal, romanians are gypsies, romanians are vampires from Transylvania
2024-06-20T16:16:17 < vampirefrog> that's about it
2024-06-20T16:18:21 < aandrew> what does "resistant to corners" mean? reinforced corners, rubberized corners, rounded edges?
2024-06-20T16:19:58 < vampirefrog> well I'm thinking it means resistant to sharp edges
2024-06-20T16:20:29 < vampirefrog> well actually now that I read it, it could also mean that the corners are reinforced with rubber
2024-06-20T16:20:45 < aandrew> vampirefrog: true... the other one the tour guide told that I remember is about dracula being challenged by someone to fly all over the neighbourhood, then the sector, then the entire city to show how fast and powerful he is. the last one he comes back with his face covered in blood and when asked what happened, dracula points out into the distance and says "see that bell tower?" "yes" "Well I didn't."
2024-06-20T16:20:46 < vampirefrog> it strikes me as a poor translation to begin with
2024-06-20T16:21:26 < vampirefrog> aandrew: I vaguely remember that joke lol
2024-06-20T16:22:26 < qyx> vampirefrog: that applies to slovaks too, except the dracula thing
2024-06-20T16:23:00 < aandrew> my wife of all people very early in the relationship (before we were married) told me a romanian joke: "you should beat your wife every day. And if you don't know why, she will."
2024-06-20T16:24:35 < qyx> are you still married
2024-06-20T16:24:41 < qyx> or does she beat you
2024-06-20T16:25:40 < aandrew> there used to be a site called mintrubbing.org - it was the romanian mintrubbing association and it was pretty awesome. it was basically a site devoted to wasting time (freca menta) and one of the "sections" were a series of meditations which were literal english translations of romanian colloquialisms. the people I hung out with here loved them because of course the literal translation was ridiculous
2024-06-20T16:25:52 < aandrew> qyx: little of column a, little of column b
2024-06-20T16:27:07 < aandrew> I bet it's still mostly up on archive.org
2024-06-20T16:29:46 < aandrew> yep it's there... e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20070815182127/http://mintrubbing.org/j4/easter.html
2024-06-20T16:37:22 < aandrew> dammit I can't find the romanian phrase, in latin it's "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" (had you shut up you'd have remained a philosopher"
2024-06-20T16:38:42 < aandrew> ahh there it is: Dacă tăceai, filozof rămâneai
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2024-06-20T17:00:07 < vampirefrog> yes
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2024-06-20T17:54:25 < benishor> aandrew: sorry for the delay. the description means what you think it does
2024-06-20T17:54:31 < benishor> at least that's what I think
2024-06-20T17:54:41 < benishor> I have no idea about military specs
2024-06-20T17:55:22 < benishor> vampirefrog: atentie la portofel :D
2024-06-20T17:55:26 < benishor> where'd you get that?
2024-06-20T17:55:41 < benishor> [16:38] <aandrew> ahh there it is: Dacă tăceai, filozof rămâneai
2024-06-20T17:55:47 < benishor> yeah, that's it
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2024-06-20T22:10:40 < qyx> an EE intern wants to use multiple parallel wires on a low current rated connector to get higher current carrying capacity
2024-06-20T22:10:43 < qyx> (that is me)
2024-06-20T22:10:50 < qyx> what would an EE pro say?
2024-06-20T22:12:19 < qyx> I have a 8 pin connector, 17 A per contact, I would like to use it to connect a battery at 30 A + CAN, so 2 wires for can, 3+3 for the battery
2024-06-20T22:13:04 < qyx> and the reason is I already have it in the BOM and I want to avoid multiple types of connectors
2024-06-20T22:15:25 < qyx> aandrew: re literal translations, there is a known czech one "parek milencu" -> a sausage of lovers
2024-06-20T22:15:43 < BrainDamage> just bear in mind that the system won't be perfectly symmetric, so you have to derate slightly
2024-06-20T22:16:37 < qyx> yeah that would be 51 A "derated" to 30 A
2024-06-20T22:17:22 < BrainDamage> will be fine
2024-06-20T22:23:38 < qyx> hm I should probably fuse the thing with 3x20 A fuses then
2024-06-20T22:23:59 < qyx> to avoid too much on a single wire when something happens with the other two
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2024-06-21T01:29:07 < aandrew> qyx: you can do that yes, but you still have to be mindful of heating
2024-06-21T01:30:12 < aandrew> multifuse - yes, but that too needs to be derated, if they're not soldered uniformly or there are other effects, the fuses won't share and you'll end up with a customer service issue
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2024-06-21T01:32:07 < aandrew> depending on the application it might be better to stick a thermistor in there and force the system off if the area gets too hot
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2024-06-21T08:32:12 < jpa-> qyx: i have done that, except 2x 6A contacts for 15A total current - worked ok enough until i started to have contact troubles, after that some pins melted
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2024-06-21T09:04:31 < qyx> 2x6A for 15A?
2024-06-21T09:28:16 < jpa-> yeah, derating is for wussies
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2024-06-21T12:36:36 < karlp> BrainDamage: github search is still better than google search.  but yeah, it gives... oddd results.
2024-06-21T13:07:02 < karlp> we sold a system at old job that had CT's around 1 strand in a four strand power feed, and just had a "x4" applied to the current figures....
2024-06-21T13:07:13 < karlp> customer was happy enough with the "accuracy"
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2024-06-21T13:30:26 < jpa-> did you know: finland has 10 million mosquitoes per each resident; it only takes 200 000 to suck you dry
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2024-06-21T16:34:21 < karlp> fucking azure only supports rsa ssh keys.
2024-06-21T16:34:30 < karlp> what even is this shit.
2024-06-21T16:34:37 < karlp> I hate it devops bullshit
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2024-06-21T17:34:17 < aandrew> vampirefrog / benishor : what would hte CORRECT technical term be in Romanian for "surge rating" or "peak rating"? e.g. if a device is rated for 5kW continuous duty but is required to be able to provide 10kW for brief periods of time, what is the correct term for "continuous rating" and "peak/surge rating" ? I am getting mixed answers and none of them seem to sound right.
2024-06-21T17:35:33 < vampirefrog> beyond my competence sorry
2024-06-21T17:38:52 < benishor> aandrew: hmmz
2024-06-21T17:39:28 < benishor> what are the answers you got?
2024-06-21T17:41:15 < benishor> aandrew: I would think "regim continuu" for continuous duty
2024-06-21T17:41:47 < benishor> peak/surge rating would be "putere de varf"
2024-06-21T17:42:37 < benishor> as in "poate furniza o putere de vârf de 10 kW pentru perioade scurte (It can deliver a peak power of 10 kW for short periods)."
2024-06-21T17:43:30 < benishor> are you trying to enter the romanian market? :)
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2024-06-21T17:44:45 < aandrew> benishor: putere nominală continuă, also "peutere minimă"
2024-06-21T17:44:51 < aandrew> (continuous power rating)
2024-06-21T17:45:50 < benishor> putere nominala works great, I wouldn't call it putere minima though
2024-06-21T17:46:05 < benishor> "putere nominala" is the proper term for the designed value
2024-06-21T17:48:42 < aandrew> ok, I will use that then. in EU, the normal 220V household power is considered single phase right? We have 120V here but that is line-to-neutral and it is delivered in "split phase" which is 220V line-to-line
2024-06-21T17:50:10 < aandrew> is "singură fază" or "Alimentare electrică monofazată" a "more correct" way to refer to single phase power? I imagine trifazic or trifaza for three phase?
2024-06-21T17:51:12 < vampirefrog> I think trifazat is the correct one for three phase
2024-06-21T17:52:27 < karlp> fuck me, I'm trying a zephyr build, for some comparison examples. the getting started steps for all the deps is _wild_
2024-06-21T17:53:51 < aandrew> oh I fucking *hate* zephyr
2024-06-21T17:53:59 < karlp> yeah, I've never been happy in the past
2024-06-21T17:54:15 < karlp> but I'm trying out stuff with renode again, and freertos isn't behaving well,
2024-06-21T17:54:18 < aandrew> it's like the engineer's command-line idea of Scratch or something
2024-06-21T17:54:36 < karlp> and there's a few zephyr examples I want to compare against "just try it out to check quickly" (lol-cries)
2024-06-21T17:54:51 < aandrew> abstract away absolutely everything and write code for the abstraction layer, but don't you dare try to peek behind the curtain
2024-06-21T17:54:56 < karlp> it's like some corpo with wayyyy too many spare engineers built abstractions to keep people employed
2024-06-21T17:56:58 < karlp> I mean, make venv, install west to venv. run west init, cd into project, run west update.  run west zephyr-export, now, run pip install -r with the shit that exported.   where is it going to end?!
2024-06-21T17:57:18 < karlp> still cloning repos for every fucking arch under the sun anyway.
2024-06-21T18:02:14 < benishor> monofazat and trifazat 
2024-06-21T18:02:41 < benishor> vampirefrog: where part of .ro are you from?
2024-06-21T18:02:45 < benishor> what part, sorry
2024-06-21T18:03:01 < vampirefrog> București
2024-06-21T18:03:11 < vampirefrog> u?
2024-06-21T18:11:12 < karlp> lol. zephyr toolchain doesn't install on my fresh fedora40... because...... wget is now wget2 and the --show-progress option is gone :)
2024-06-21T18:14:43 < vampirefrog> karlp: you can probably write a wget <karlp> lol. zephyr toolchain doesn't install on my fresh fedora40... because...... wget is now wget2 and the --show-progress option is gone :) shell script and put it in PATH with priority over the system wget
2024-06-21T18:14:51 < vampirefrog> wow
2024-06-21T18:15:05 < karlp> "This change should be largely transparent to users. Some of the more esoteric options and behaviors may have changed, but the commonly used ones mostly work as they did in 1.x. "
2024-06-21T18:15:17 < vampirefrog> I meant to say that you can write a shell script named wget and put it in PATH when calling the zephyr installer
2024-06-21T18:15:38 < vampirefrog> and it would remove the --show-progress option
2024-06-21T18:19:03 < qyx> aandrew: in eu we have 230 V phase-neutral in TN, that's called single phase here
2024-06-21T18:19:15 < qyx> although in zypland they have IT and 230 V phase-phase
2024-06-21T18:27:31 < aandrew> yeah I seem to remember .ro is also phase-neutral 230V
2024-06-21T18:33:53 < karlp> .no is pretty unusual in europe for that though.
2024-06-21T18:38:12 < benishor> vampirefrog: brasov
2024-06-21T18:43:44 < vampirefrog> nice
2024-06-21T18:45:02 < aandrew> my wife was from severin, and I have inlaws in jimbolia, bucharest and somewhere else I can't remember now
2024-06-21T18:45:09 < aandrew> she spent high school years in brasov
2024-06-21T18:45:36 < aandrew> I really liked jimbolia - my sister in law had a nice little house and yard and it was just... peaceful for me
2024-06-21T18:46:11 < aandrew> of course it didn't hurt that her husband would pour a healthy amount of palinca into my coffee in the morning. I don't speak a word of romanian, he speaks no english but man we had some good talks
2024-06-21T18:47:04 < aandrew> all of my sisters in law didn't really like me because I apparently "made" their husbands drink. I think my wife told them I'm an alcoholic or something because everyone was feeding me booze and seemingly a little pissed off about it
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2024-06-21T19:08:12 < benishor> aandrew: wonders of palinca :)))
2024-06-21T19:08:36 < benishor> it untwists tongues
2024-06-21T19:08:59 < benishor> aandrew: it's ok, we all are alcoholics
2024-06-21T19:10:23 < benishor> either that or casual drinkers. with a different casuality :D
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2024-06-21T19:18:07 < Laurenceb_> typical english scene
2024-06-21T19:18:08 < Laurenceb_> https://nitter.poast.org/pic/media%2FGQgN7DoWgAAk3bx.jpg%3Fname%3Dsmall%26format%3Dwebp
2024-06-21T19:18:52 < Laurenceb_> >MC Doctor Who on da scene
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2024-06-21T19:27:41 < karlp> well, I faffed about with shit all day, and no, zephyr in renode doesn't have thread aware gdb support either.
2024-06-21T19:27:48 < karlp> so it' snot _entirely_ a freertos issue.
2024-06-21T19:28:52 < karlp> monodevelop crashes opening the renode.sln file though, so that's promising for working on patches...
2024-06-21T19:31:31 < aandrew> heh
2024-06-21T19:31:47 < karlp> appears to be another fallotu from my update to fedora40 this morning.
2024-06-21T19:31:49 < karlp> this has been excellent.
2024-06-21T19:31:57 < aandrew> yeah I haven't touched renode since I discovered it last fall. it's got potential but I hate C#
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2024-06-21T19:32:28 < karlp> i've never written any CS for it so far, but I think I would have to for some of what I want to do.
2024-06-21T19:32:34 < karlp> so far I've gotten away with jsut pythonperipherals.
2024-06-21T19:32:46 < karlp> they have rust bindings now too if you like going _allllll_ the way experimental.
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2024-06-21T19:39:39 < karlp> lol. what a great day of IT.
2024-06-21T19:40:45 < karlp> so https://github.com/mono/mono/issues/21760 has been "fixed" in fedora's version of mono, but renode targets a different version of dotnet runtime that the fedora packagers haven't enabled. so they recommend the mono built packages, which have unfortuantely not got that patch merged yet...
2024-06-21T19:42:09 < karlp> https://github.com/zlib-ng/zlib-ng/issues/1708
2024-06-21T19:42:15 < karlp> lol, we're just going get more breakage.
2024-06-21T19:53:35 < aandrew> man it sounds like beer o'clock for you. what a shit show
2024-06-21T19:56:24 < qyx> you should really be using a pro os
2024-06-21T19:59:06 < aandrew> but zephyr is web scale
2024-06-21T19:59:32 < karlp> if I'd gone from f38 to f39 I would have been "fine" and other people would have bled on these first...
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2024-06-21T20:09:09 < benishor> what's zephyr?
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2024-06-21T20:15:02 < karlp> if you don't know, keep it that way.
2024-06-21T20:24:03 < benishor> that bad, eh?
2024-06-21T20:26:14 < karlp> heh, someone has written a 7 segment display thing for renode, but it expects all the segments to be on common gpios, then a gpio per unit.
2024-06-21T20:27:19 < karlp> but work went and did this: https://imgur.com/a/bDhSWKV
2024-06-21T20:28:21 < karlp> hrm, is zyp offline? not here, and bin.jvnv.net is not answering either.
2024-06-21T20:34:00 < aandrew> that works fine as long as the digits are always xxyyzz :-)
2024-06-21T20:34:33 < aandrew> oh wait I see what you did
2024-06-21T20:34:41 < aandrew> 16 bit bus
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2024-06-21T21:31:24 < qyx> karlp: damn
2024-06-21T21:31:47 < qyx> I know he is not at home, I hope the house is safe
2024-06-21T21:34:27 < BrainDamage> he's meeting up dongs
2024-06-21T21:39:19 < mawk> I had to show up at a work party
2024-06-21T21:39:22 < mawk> dreadful stuff
2024-06-21T21:40:08 < mawk> why the house qyx
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2024-06-21T22:57:54 < qyx> jbo: you pinged me, did I miss something?
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2024-06-21T23:58:38 < Laurenceb_> >Raw egg nationalist exposed as irl autistic cretin as well as online
2024-06-21T23:58:42 < Laurenceb_> imagine my shock
2024-06-21T23:58:50 < qyx> your sides
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2024-06-22T00:07:08 < BrainDamage> I'm sorry you got doxxed laurenceb
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2024-06-22T01:01:18 < Laurenceb_> they see me riding, they hating
2024-06-22T01:01:20 < Laurenceb_> https://files.catbox.moe/lluykv.jpg
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2024-06-22T01:14:14 < nomorekaki> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBRBB6D8SdY entropy
2024-06-22T01:18:10 < nomorekaki> did you know that entropy is not disorder?
2024-06-22T01:19:17 < nomorekaki> it's tendency to assume a state with most possible configurations
2024-06-22T01:20:07 < qyx> speaking of youtube
2024-06-22T01:20:11 < qyx> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2A4bBIeDis
2024-06-22T01:20:25 < qyx> wheres the original metal lyriel
2024-06-22T01:20:32 < qyx> this is boring
2024-06-22T01:21:51 < nomorekaki> agreed
2024-06-22T01:31:02 < qyx> kakibetter https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5KZ7SBjZ2mk
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2024-06-22T02:41:21 < karlp> speaking of, should I buy wardruna tickets now?
2024-06-22T02:42:11 < karlp> man, I cannnnot figure out why my freertos tasks don't seem to schedule in renode. I tried a quick trick but looks like I need to make a vastly simpler example app 
2024-06-22T02:48:23 < qyx> idk, is wardruna good?
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2024-06-22T02:50:20 < qyx> sounds like an exceptionally dark nordic folk
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2024-06-22T23:08:04 < qyx> who did stspin32g4?
2024-06-22T23:08:10 < qyx> there was someone iirc
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2024-06-22T23:13:01 < catphish> pretty sure it was ST
2024-06-22T23:13:44 < catphish> also, the concept of that chip gives me a huge boner, but i suspect it's overpriced
2024-06-22T23:14:50 < qyx> I mean whodid something with it
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2024-06-22T23:15:24 < qyx> it is not that expensive and integrates 3 gate drivers
2024-06-22T23:15:36 < qyx> but that means driver-mosfet distance is more than suitable
2024-06-22T23:15:52 < qyx> I'll probably give it a go
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2024-06-24T17:58:21  * qyx running cube
2024-06-24T18:06:58 < qyx> I can't see a mode in the cube to connect all comparator neg inputs to the same pin
2024-06-24T18:07:02 < qyx> to sense 3 phase zero crossing
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2024-06-24T23:19:14 < karlp> fucking great day: https://paste.jvnv.net/view/Fbbki
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2024-06-24T23:56:28 < zyp> qyx, that stuff is running on a VPS, not hosted at home
2024-06-24T23:56:43 < zyp> just been too busy vacationing to notice the VPS went down
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2024-06-25T00:00:48 < qyx> oh thanks
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2024-06-25T00:45:09 < karlp> welcome back.
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2024-06-25T00:51:27 < karlp> well this is fucking great https://github.com/containers/podman/issues/4900
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2024-06-25T17:25:30 < qyx> how feasible is displaying a QR code on a STN LCD display (positive black on white bg)?
2024-06-25T17:25:35 < qyx> anyone tried that?
2024-06-25T17:28:25 < jpa-> those classic gray on green dot matrix screens? :)
2024-06-25T17:30:30 < qyx> gray on white, but yes
2024-06-25T17:31:09 < qyx> https://www.buydisplay.com/3-4-inch-graphic-touchscreen-lcd-cog-module-240x160-single-sided-fpc
2024-06-25T17:31:12 < qyx> this one specifically
2024-06-25T17:31:41 < jpa-> i can't see any reason why that wouldn't work, if it actually displays as good as that image claims
2024-06-25T17:32:09 < jpa-> seems quite good in the video too
2024-06-25T17:32:09 < qyx> that's photoshop
2024-06-25T17:32:15 < qyx> yeah video is real
2024-06-25T17:33:39 < qyx> I need something very low power and sunlight readable but at the same time responsive to keyboard presses
2024-06-25T17:34:01 < qyx> so idk it e-ink with partial refresh suits but it indeed is an alternative too
2024-06-25T17:34:22 < jpa-> eink with partial refresh is relatively fast, memory lcd would be a good option also
2024-06-25T17:34:44 < qyx> the only memory lcd I know about is only the sharp 128x128 one
2024-06-25T17:34:57 < qyx> s/only only//
2024-06-25T17:35:55 < jpa-> the video is probably with the backlight enabled, so it wouldn't have as good contrast without it
2024-06-25T17:40:18 < qyx> I have it here but not displaying anythng
2024-06-25T17:40:21 < qyx> I have to check the firmware
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2024-06-25T23:14:20 < qyx> jpa-pro: bldc regen charging, do I need to measure phase currents for any purpose?
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2024-06-26T00:38:47 < Laurenceb_> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1805330341168640000/vid/avc1/1280x720/Zl1iyJ9sTvmm6B97.mp4?tag=14
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2024-06-26T09:07:22 < jpa-> qyx: if you are doing FOC, yes, phase currents are the primary thing you are interested in
2024-06-26T09:08:31 < jpa-> if you have rotor position and phase currents, FOC is trivial for both running and regen; in comparison, the open-loop approaches are quite fiddly
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2024-06-26T09:38:41 < zyp> qyx, use dq0 transform to convert between rotor position/phase currents and dq vector, then q component is effectively torque
2024-06-26T09:39:05 < zyp> when torque and velocity have opposite signs, you're doing regen, simple as that
2024-06-26T09:40:10 < zyp> (which is why it's so fucking easy to regen into a supply that can't absorb power and start blowing up stuff instead)
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2024-06-26T10:25:49 < machinehum> Can you buy drivers for separately excited DC motors anymore?
2024-06-26T10:26:38 < machinehum> Google turns up nothing
2024-06-26T10:31:24 < machinehum> https://imgur.com/a/MHsn7Iv
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2024-06-26T10:55:05 < qyx> hm, now I am using halk sensors to commutate and pwm i to the desired speed, then when the motor starts turning faster and I keep the pwm, jt just backfeeds i to the source
2024-06-26T10:55:17 < qyx> s/halk/hall
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2024-06-26T11:36:03 < qyx> https://community.simplefoc.com/t/bemf-sensored-simplefoc-board-a-k-a-sensorless/4668
2024-06-26T11:36:08 < qyx> they have stolen my mosfets
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2024-06-26T12:37:27 < karlp> I kinda like this idea of eval boards designed to get nucleo32's plugged in
2024-06-26T12:37:42 < qyx> for the phase currents I am measuring directly at the pwm output (not at the ground of low side mosfets)
2024-06-26T12:37:50 < qyx> I selected this https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/ina296b-q1
2024-06-26T12:38:06 < qyx> according to fig. 6-33 it should be good
2024-06-26T12:40:20 < karlp> how did they "steal"  your fets? I don't get it
2024-06-26T12:41:30 < qyx> karlp: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/RwYy6/Screenshot_2024-06-26_11-41-09.png
2024-06-26T12:43:01 < qyx> also my ideas https://bin.jvnv.net/file/WrspL
2024-06-26T12:47:28 < karlp> I mean, neither of you are novel in that, I just like seeing it :)
2024-06-26T12:58:16 < qyx> oh not saying that
2024-06-26T13:02:10 < karlp> 1/ans
2024-06-26T13:03:21 < BrainDamage> Error: Division by Zero.
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2024-06-26T17:19:03 < karlp> man restructured text is weird.
2024-06-26T17:19:08 < karlp> tryin to use Robot framework shit
2024-06-26T17:19:17 < karlp> and it fails unless I have a blank line in the right place.
2024-06-26T17:21:31 < jpa-> also those double spaces
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2024-06-26T17:27:16 < karlp> lol documentation on https://pypi.org/project/robotframework-pyserial/ says tings like "Connect to Serial" but documentation linked there uses "Serial.Connect"
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2024-06-26T18:15:19 < karlp> also fun, it says you can use tabs, but it has to be two of them too, ... most of the time?
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2024-06-26T19:22:23 < boddax> porting project from f4 to f4 i get error: 'I2C_InitTypeDef' has no member named 'ClockSpeed'
2024-06-26T19:22:43 < boddax> i2c api different 
2024-06-26T19:24:19 < boddax> *f7
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2024-06-26T19:51:34 < mawk> probably slightly different
2024-06-26T19:51:40 < mawk> just look in the .c file boddax 
2024-06-26T19:51:46 < mawk> the documentation is there
2024-06-26T19:51:51 < mawk> and the structure is defined in the .h file
2024-06-26T19:52:37 < mawk> [10:36:03] <qyx> https://community.simplefoc.com/t/bemf-sensored-simplefoc-board-a-k-a-sensorless/4668
2024-06-26T19:52:38 < mawk> simplefuck
2024-06-26T20:02:02 < qyx> be nice mawk
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2024-06-27T00:55:27 < karlp> meh, I was kindafeeling excited to do some work work tonight, but now that thekids are in bed and it's free time, I'm realllly less excited by that.
2024-06-27T01:00:11 < qyx_> haha same here
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2024-06-27T02:17:32 < karlp> well, I got some stuff done! progress!
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2024-06-27T10:25:12 < mawk> why should we be nice to program vendors qyx
2024-06-27T10:25:15 < mawk> they're not in the channel
2024-06-27T10:30:31 < Steffanx> Or are they?
2024-06-27T10:33:00 < jpa-> the logs are googleable
2024-06-27T10:33:17 < jpa-> it's always fun to google your open-source projects and find people who want to stab you in the face :)
2024-06-27T10:39:18 < zyp> haha
2024-06-27T10:52:25 < qyx> karlp: negativ eon my side
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2024-06-27T12:12:23 < mawk> I have no idea what the project is
2024-06-27T12:12:33 < mawk> but the name lent itself to modification 
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2024-06-27T14:03:17 < karlp> meh, asked for an ex vat invoice as I'm not uk/EU, and they resent the same invoice for the same amount, just with the vat column zero now.
2024-06-27T14:03:41 < karlp> not sure whether they're just not very good at their job, or willfully trying to make extra money off me.
2024-06-27T15:03:33 < qyx> let's play the game again, unrouted: 189
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2024-06-27T15:54:12 < qyx> 136!
2024-06-27T16:00:19 < mawk> who's unrouted
2024-06-27T16:46:47 < BrainDamage> 189 unrouted pins on the board, we pass one around, 189 rats' nest on the board ...
2024-06-27T16:54:53 < qyx> 75 left
2024-06-27T16:54:59 < qyx> it is becoming more frustrating
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2024-06-27T19:34:49 < karlp> well, this is fun.  same external voltage on two differen boards, adc counts are almost double 
2024-06-27T19:34:58 < karlp> 5415 vs 9181..
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2024-06-27T21:05:47 < BrainDamage> wrong ref? or maybe you have a bit stuck
2024-06-27T21:06:50 < BrainDamage> see if you short it if the high bit remains 1
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2024-06-28T01:04:30 < karlp> yeah, that's tomorrow's fun.
2024-06-28T01:04:54 < karlp> there's other "unrelated" differences in board too, but I can't think ofanything that woudl do this.  fw is identical.
2024-06-28T01:05:08 < karlp> same silicon rev, no adc errata of any sort _documented_
2024-06-28T01:05:48 < ventYl> ok, unit testing if embedded code behaves atomically is weird
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2024-06-28T13:39:16 < karlp> fuckin kinetis 8bit periph registers
2024-06-28T13:39:23 < karlp> fucking absolute garbge.
2024-06-28T13:40:06 < karlp> p *(VREF_Type*)(0x40072000) ==> Cannot access memory at address 0x40072000
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2024-06-28T14:15:23 < karlp> figured it out.
2024-06-28T14:15:45 < karlp> board design has a 0 ohm between vrefh/vrefout pin, and 3v3.
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2024-06-28T14:15:58 < karlp> board fw tries to configure that as 2.1V,
2024-06-28T14:16:19 < karlp> "bad" board has the 0 ohm resistor installed, so it's forcing 3.3V on top of that.
2024-06-28T14:16:46 < karlp> explains why I get values that would match if the vref was 3.3, not 2.1, and also why, when you use 3.3, the cpu temp is hotter than the other board.
2024-06-28T14:34:06 < karlp> altium it's not marked as DNP, someone had just removed it form the bom by hand on old revs, new rev it went out "as designed"
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2024-06-28T15:40:35 < qyx> so my inverter is feature and part-complete, 107 unrouted though
2024-06-28T15:40:37 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/theXY/Screenshot_2024-06-28_14-39-59.png
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2024-06-28T16:16:46 < karlp> lol, unsurpisingly, antmicro saw my work email and has decided to "reach out" about our needs.
2024-06-28T16:57:54 < karlp> https://github.com/madworx/robotframework-kicadlibrary#readme
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2024-06-28T20:20:32 < ventYl> how much work is it to create dummy USB device with some descriptors, that pretends it works, but does nothing?
2024-06-28T20:21:50 < jpa-> not much to write the code, a few hours to figure out why it doesn't work
2024-06-28T20:22:57 < ventYl> I need a victim device for WinUSB experiments, so basically I just need some descriptors legit enough windows will believe there's real functioanlity behind it
2024-06-28T20:24:35 < jpa-> why not just use a random usb device?
2024-06-28T20:25:18 < jpa-> but you'll probably find code for some STM32 discovery easy enough
2024-06-28T20:25:25 < ventYl> you can attach WinUSB only to devices that are not claimed by any other device (pretty much like libusb), so I need something non-standard. And I probably don't have anything like that around.
2024-06-28T20:25:53 < jpa-> you could do gadget on rpi
2024-06-28T20:26:12 < ventYl> actually pico-examples contains composite device example
2024-06-28T20:26:16 < ventYl> which is probably exactly what I want
2024-06-28T20:27:15 < ventYl> how does operating system determine that the device is USB serial? based on DeviceClass in device descriptor?
2024-06-28T20:28:28 < jpa-> for windows, it just looks up usb vendor & product id on windows update and checks for driver
2024-06-28T20:28:36 < jpa-> for linux etc. CDC-ACM will work directly
2024-06-28T20:28:52 < jpa-> (or does windows 10 now finally support that?)
2024-06-28T20:28:52 < ventYl> it works directly on windows too
2024-06-28T20:29:41 < ventYl> that's why I am searching for custom device. I have something that presents itself as CDC-ACM, but it gets claimed by USB serial driver so I can't attach WinUSB to it
2024-06-28T20:29:57 < jpa-> you could zadig it
2024-06-28T20:30:16 < jpa-> but yeah, CDC-ACM is DeviceClass 2, SubClass 2
2024-06-28T20:30:42 < qyx> rmmod the driver?
2024-06-28T20:30:46 < qyx> (uh oh)
2024-06-28T20:31:10 < ventYl> I guess that even zagid will face the issue that usbser.sys claims the device
2024-06-28T20:31:46 < jpa-> is usbser.sys somehow special? because zadig can override other drivers
2024-06-28T20:32:06 < ventYl> nope, didn't expect it to be able to kick default driver out
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2024-06-28T20:49:04 < ventYl> it was raped, now I only need to find out how to attach to it
2024-06-28T20:49:15 < ventYl> winusb examples all expect winusb was attached the normal way
2024-06-28T20:50:17 < ventYl> heh, this motherfucker is broken actually. if I command it to sleep, it shuts itself down
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2024-06-28T21:45:47 < ventYl> jpa-: thanks, it is all awful but it runs
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2024-06-28T22:59:25 < Laurenceb_> You did GREAT Joe! Great. You answered all the questions and now you've done a big poo IN YOUR POTTY! Such a good President!
2024-06-28T23:00:18 < qyx> I heard he was a bit nervous?
2024-06-28T23:00:28 < qyx> and kinda old?
2024-06-28T23:02:12 < Laurenceb_> just a bit
2024-06-28T23:02:58 < Laurenceb_> https://nitter.poast.org/TPostMillennial/status/1806530807026122972
2024-06-28T23:07:45 < specing> I'm looking forward to 2040 debates between 100 year old candidates
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2024-06-29T23:17:51 < qyx_> anyone familiar with azure iot and teltonika iot hubs?
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2024-06-29T23:18:10 < qyx> should I buy TRB255?
2024-06-29T23:19:27 < qyx> I want to do zero-programming remote monitoring and water tank filling from a borehole well with a pump powered by solar
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2024-06-29T23:32:32 < Steffanx> I have more experience with Azure IoT hub and co than I want to admit, but it's not even close to non-programming.
2024-06-29T23:34:17 < qyx> nothing like homeassistant automations, etc?
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2024-06-29T23:41:11 < Steffanx> Oh you can maybe connect it to home assistant. Not sure
2024-06-29T23:42:02 < qyx> I wanted to avoid anything capable of making me trouble and go full cloud
2024-06-29T23:42:45 < Steffanx> You can probably use some other azure service, but don't know about that 
2024-06-29T23:42:59 < Steffanx> We wrote our own "function app" in the C#
2024-06-29T23:44:26 < Steffanx> And some front-end ofcourse. In the vue.js . Such hipsters at work.
2024-06-29T23:44:27 < qyx> apage
2024-06-29T23:44:46 < qyx> somehow I expected it to be clicky clicky
2024-06-29T23:45:08 < qyx> I am indeed not making any custom front-end
2024-06-29T23:45:20 < qyx> that's worse than linux
2024-06-29T23:46:01 < Steffanx> I think you can, but Im not sure how. You can probably hook some azure services together, but I don't know. If you even want azure... 😋
2024-06-29T23:47:55 < qyx> https://thingspeak.com/prices/thingspeak_home
2024-06-29T23:47:59 < qyx> this could do too
2024-06-29T23:48:02 < qyx> it can do matlab
2024-06-29T23:48:43 < qyx> and mqtt, so should work with that router thing
2024-06-29T23:49:07 < Steffanx> Maybe azure iot central is the thing.
2024-06-29T23:49:19 < Steffanx> (if you want to go the azure road)
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2024-06-30T00:00:58 < qyx> I'll try that thingspeak first, I have been using it in the past until mathworks acquired them and made it payware
2024-06-30T00:04:40 < qyx> k, back to work, unrouted: 58
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2024-06-30T00:44:36 < Steffanx> Have fun
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2024-06-30T19:41:14 < Steffanx> Heh qyx vs the Blax: 0 - 1
2024-06-30T19:42:21 < qyx> wat
2024-06-30T19:42:53 < qyx> oh
2024-06-30T19:43:01 < qyx> of course we are going to lose
2024-06-30T19:43:22 < Steffanx> I mean 1 - 0
2024-06-30T19:43:23 < qyx> wait what, we are winning according to our newspaper
2024-06-30T19:43:24 < Steffanx> Lol
2024-06-30T19:43:32 < qyx> what the hell did happen
2024-06-30T19:43:42 < Steffanx> I was going to write the Blax vs q yx
2024-06-30T19:44:38 < Steffanx> The English are too busy dealing with laurenceb's shitposts I guess
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2024-06-30T20:36:41 < qyx> that's unbelievable
2024-06-30T20:36:54 < qyx> I should have bet
2024-06-30T20:37:24 < karlp> go qyxland!
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2024-06-30T21:20:06 < Steffanx> Try harder, karlp :P
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2024-06-30T21:37:44 < qyx> I told you
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2024-06-30T21:40:09 < karlp> pretty fucking close thogh
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2024-06-30T23:22:22 < qyx> Unrouted: 15
2024-06-30T23:22:40 < qyx> I hope the rain outside is not the same as the one causing floods in Italy
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