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2025-05-01T19:56:14 < jbo> how are we vibing today?
2025-05-01T19:57:28 < Steffanx> we're not vibing
2025-05-01T19:57:44 < englishman> i asked an ai to vibe for me today
2025-05-01T19:58:03 < Steffanx> why didnt you ask r&d?
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2025-05-01T20:51:06 < fenugrec> I sense a disturbance in steffs posts these past few days, wonder if he's ok
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2025-05-01T20:58:21 < qyx> I am vibing a hexenschuss
2025-05-01T21:02:55 < Steffanx> lol fenugrec  :P
2025-05-01T21:03:16 < Steffanx> Don´t you like my optimism?
2025-05-01T21:03:25 < Steffanx> its the stm32 vibe.
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2025-05-02T10:35:46 < machinehum> Hello all
2025-05-02T10:51:22 < qyx> oahi
2025-05-02T11:06:14 < machinehum> qyx: How you going?
2025-05-02T11:06:50 < qyx> innovating my windows blinds controller
2025-05-02T11:07:18 < qyx> I mean fixing, it was immersed in condensed water and electrochemical corrosion ate all my pcb traces
2025-05-02T11:08:08 < qyx> I did conformally coat it but the corrosion found its way
2025-05-02T11:08:10 < machinehum> Water condensed on the window and soaked your PCB?
2025-05-02T11:09:05 < qyx> nope, there is a conduit with a cable running from the inside to the outside of the house
2025-05-02T11:09:35 < machinehum> Water got it
2025-05-02T11:09:37 < machinehum> in
2025-05-02T11:09:41 < machinehum> shit
2025-05-02T11:09:50 < qyx> it goes through the insulation, so no problem, but it ends in a water tight enclosure with lid on the surface of the facade
2025-05-02T11:10:15 < qyx> so the humid air from the house condenses inside the enclosure on the freezing lid during the winter
2025-05-02T11:10:29 < machinehum> I see
2025-05-02T11:10:43 < qyx> I need to stop the air or drill a hole in the enclosure
2025-05-02T11:10:59 < qyx> it is a fully reproducible issue, third winter in a row
2025-05-02T11:12:41 < machinehum> Gotcha
2025-05-02T11:13:00 < machinehum> opens/closes blinds with motor?
2025-05-02T11:13:14 < qyx> yeah esp32 and esphome and HA
2025-05-02T11:13:28 < machinehum> Noice
2025-05-02T11:13:36 < machinehum> Never tried it
2025-05-02T11:14:02 < qyx> I was reluctant too but it works
2025-05-02T11:14:17 < qyx> not super happy with the way it works but.. it works
2025-05-02T11:14:35 < machinehum> Do you just flash some firmware to the ESP32 and control everything with an app?
2025-05-02T11:15:28 < qyx> you have to do a yaml config for esphome, then you compile a specific firmware for your device
2025-05-02T11:15:40 < qyx> then you add it to your HA instance
2025-05-02T11:16:29 < qyx> compile-time config is the thing I hate because even the hostname is hardcoded in the yaml in compile-time
2025-05-02T11:16:37 < qyx> also network settings
2025-05-02T11:16:46 < qyx> although there is probably a way to configure that in runtime
2025-05-02T11:17:00 < qyx> I am not that pro
2025-05-02T11:20:24 < srk> yaml programming language
2025-05-02T11:20:49 < machinehum> That's annoying
2025-05-02T11:21:17 < machinehum> Someone once told me they like Tasmota... which I think is similar
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2025-05-02T13:46:43 < karlp> 7fucking awesome. container build absed on a then current ubuntu.  the LTS at th etime had an old cmake, for other reasons.
2025-05-02T13:47:03 < karlp> but now, you can't rebuild that container, because the repos for the non-lts builds are gone.
2025-05-02T13:47:15 < karlp> hooray for reproducibility
2025-05-02T14:01:15 < karlp> wow, it's fucked.... up.
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2025-05-02T14:17:22 < karlp> so, on godbolt: https://godbolt.org/z/jTdWbx17d works fine on ~every version of gcc 
2025-05-02T14:17:37 < karlp> and on fedora with the arm gcc toolchain it's fine.
2025-05-02T14:17:51 < karlp> but ubuntu's newlib+gcc packaging it totally explodes
2025-05-02T14:18:07 < karlp> unless you explicitly include <sys/types.h> _before_ <inttypes.h>
2025-05-02T14:18:50 < karlp> how is this not a packaing bug on ubuntu? and why hasn't that ever been reported and fixed?!
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2025-05-02T14:43:32 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/newlib-inttypes-wat
2025-05-02T14:43:51 < karlp> I don't know what to do, but for now I'm putting back in this weird arse hack fix includes shit in ou rtree that I deleted....
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2025-05-02T15:16:37 < zyp> I hate those PRI macros
2025-05-02T15:16:53 < zyp> I *get* them, but I still hate them
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2025-05-02T15:34:48 < karlp> completely agree.
2025-05-02T15:35:01 < karlp> unfortunatley, I can't compile hate :)
2025-05-02T15:42:11 < zyp> I solved it by making my own logging system so I don't have to touch printf :p
2025-05-02T15:44:06 < zyp> I wonder if std::format is available yet
2025-05-02T15:48:49 < zyp> looks like it is, but maybe not suitable for embedded
2025-05-02T15:49:05 < karlp> won't help me on this legacy shitpile anyway
2025-05-02T15:52:35 < zyp> luckily I'm not working on your legacy shitpile :)
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2025-05-02T15:59:56 < karlp> also correct :)
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2025-05-02T16:51:24 < bitmask> herro
2025-05-02T16:58:32 < Steffanx> Gooday lob235
2025-05-02T16:59:54 < bitmask> ;)
2025-05-02T17:01:16 < bitmask> so turns out you guys are stuck with me for a while. just got bloodwork done (last time was 14 months ago) and everything is good except for cholesterol but that dropped 10 points and is now only 10 points out of range
2025-05-02T17:04:22 < bitmask> also got a new couch, tv stand and 65" QN90D tv delivered yesterday, its a new world
2025-05-02T17:13:01 < Steffanx> Even the smallest peepees will be huuge now 
2025-05-02T17:17:43 < bitmask> my old tv was only 720p 32", quite an improvement in peepees
2025-05-02T17:19:10 < jbo> rob always bloggin'
2025-05-02T17:19:59 < bitmask> yup
2025-05-02T17:20:03 < Steffanx> So time for a new stm32 project bitmask 
2025-05-02T17:20:23 < bitmask> but I can't be on topic so no, not gonna happen
2025-05-02T17:22:07 < Steffanx> Yes you can or does jbo have something on you he threatens to use? 
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2025-05-02T19:58:51 < analoq> hi. Im trying to setup a basic freertos build environment for a nucleo board. I found some on github, but they all stripped the stock freertos repo down to what they need instead of handling exclusions via cmake. 
2025-05-02T20:00:10 < analoq> my first idea was to take this repo - which build fine - https://github.com/maherme/nucleo-f446re-freertos/ and simply replace the ThirdParty/FreeRTOS folder with the official FreeRTOS repo. and slightly modify the cmake file. But that's where it falls apart :(
2025-05-02T20:00:32 < qyx> that's because freertos is bloatware and nearly nobody is using cmake for embedded
2025-05-02T20:00:40 < qyx> with some exceptions
2025-05-02T20:01:27 < qyx> also there was no official freertos repo for years
2025-05-02T20:01:29 < jpa-> cmake seems to work pretty ok in pico-sdk
2025-05-02T20:02:53 < qyx> also this https://github.com/FreeRTOS/FreeRTOS is not freertos was
2025-05-02T20:02:54 < analoq> qyx: well the repos i found all used cmake so i went with it for now. for my use case make is probably sufficient. i just prefer to change one piece at a time :p
2025-05-02T20:03:13 < analoq> oh. i thought that's the official repo?!
2025-05-02T20:03:26 < qyx> it is now official
2025-05-02T20:03:32 < qyx> but historically freertos was https://github.com/FreeRTOS/FreeRTOS-Kernel
2025-05-02T20:03:58 < qyx> then it started to enlarge with various kernel-unrelated things and middleware, later named freertos-plus
2025-05-02T20:04:04 < analoq> ah that'
2025-05-02T20:04:09 < qyx> and now they say it is the "standard repo"
2025-05-02T20:04:35 < analoq> 's where the '-Kernel' filename difference comes from. i was a little surprised by that 
2025-05-02T20:05:37 < analoq> i was replacing the original files with the FreeRTOS-Kernel repo. maybe that's the first big issue?
2025-05-02T20:06:56 < analoq> ah nvm. the 'official' one seems to just add some fluff. using the kernel one should be fine :?
2025-05-02T20:07:16 < qyx> I don't really know what you are trying to achieve, but most probably yes
2025-05-02T20:08:20 < analoq> well right now im trying to build the repo linked above with the freertos-kernel git repo replacing its ThirdParty/FreeRTOS folder
2025-05-02T20:09:55 < qyx> that could work https://orlybooks.com/books/trying-stuff-until-it-works
2025-05-02T20:10:25 < analoq> yeah well i kinda tried a lot. that's why im asking lol
2025-05-02T20:10:44 < analoq> problem is it's kinda fluffy and difficult to pin down
2025-05-02T20:12:18 < qyx> if I meet a fluffy thing I first try to make it behave and try to shave it only if I succeed
2025-05-02T20:12:42 < qyx> if your base goal is to get it working, just compile the ready made thing from github
2025-05-02T20:12:52 < qyx> once you get it working, you can start replacing things you don't like
2025-05-02T20:15:40 < Steffanx> FreeRTOS bloatware qyx ? Also you probably have no idea how many people are using cmake.. or are you just in denial (?)
2025-05-02T20:16:00 < Steffanx> The github is just the kernel and the plus stuff you dont really need. 
2025-05-02T20:16:07 < Steffanx> *github repo
2025-05-02T20:27:10 < analoq> well i'll be damned it built :3
2025-05-02T20:29:41 < analoq> and yeah it's no surprise everyones using cmake considering that freertos itself uses it
2025-05-02T20:39:31 < fenugrec> 'orlybooks.com' nice, never knew someone was collecting them. There's some real gold in there
2025-05-02T20:42:16 < fenugrec> https://orlybooks.com/books/compression
2025-05-02T20:44:14 < fenugrec> well, back to this 'rework', every attempt is worse than the previous, and the changeset becomes bigger
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2025-05-02T20:58:05 < Steffanx> You can do it fenugrec 🎉
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2025-05-02T21:02:55 < fenugrec> well I can always 'rm * -rF' into oblivion
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2025-05-02T21:59:50 < qyx> Steffanx: yes it is bloatware because it is not just kernel anymore
2025-05-02T22:00:10 < qyx> as I said and as the gh page says
2025-05-02T22:00:38 < qyx> and yes, if you pick up just the kernel itself, it is bloatware too, because who on earth uses 68hc11 today?
2025-05-02T22:00:45 < qyx> it is full of obsolescence
2025-05-02T22:01:09 < qyx> there are maybe 5 architectures relevant today, or am I wrong?
2025-05-02T22:08:38 < fentyl> analoq: if you want to make your life miserable, ditch freeRTOS and come to the dark side of my creepy RTOS
2025-05-02T22:08:49 < fentyl> it is native CMake since day 0!!!1
2025-05-02T22:09:33 < fentyl> jpa-: we've built automotive stuff with flaky GreenHills compiler using CMake. if CMake can handle this, it can handle anything.
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2025-05-02T22:17:59 < qyx> Steffanx: also, yes, I am fully triggered today because instead of doing some net-positive-outcome work I am constantly dealing with crap
2025-05-02T22:18:17 < qyx> I was about to say shit but I don't do french
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2025-05-02T22:21:03 < qyx> at least I was grocery shopping and bough some high sugar content stuff to make my head work
2025-05-02T22:23:41 < qyx> fenugrec: oh theres a generator now too https://make.orlybooks.com/
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2025-05-02T22:28:29 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/H4uOk/scaring-off.png
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2025-05-02T22:48:05 < Steffanx> I figured you are fully triggered qyx . A worthy ircdongs replacement you will be soon. Just a little update of you vocabulary and you're ready :P
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2025-05-02T23:16:26 < analoq> fentyl: haha :D nah gotta be freertos. one of our devs struggles with it for like 3 years now and i want to know how useless that dude really is :P
2025-05-02T23:17:57 < Steffanx> oh dear...
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2025-05-02T23:55:59 < fentyl> analoq: considering the naming convention, I'd struggle with freertos too
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2025-05-03T00:22:19 < Steffanx> Wrap them in cmsis sauce and you don't have to deal with that fentyl 
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2025-05-03T18:25:30 < srk> 64 bytes from 192.168.192.2: icmp_seq=11372 ttl=64 time=0.666 ms
2025-05-03T18:25:34 < srk> can ping my nucleo \o/
2025-05-03T18:27:51 < qyx> I haven't even attempted ipv4
2025-05-03T18:28:29 < qyx> I did ipv6 only, icmp neighbor discovery, echo/reply, udp
2025-05-03T18:29:22 < srk> neat, not sure if I'm gonna do v6 as well
2025-05-03T18:29:55 < srk> I just need udp for now but I might try other shit as well till it gets boring
2025-05-03T18:29:59 < srk> dhcp would be nice
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2025-05-03T18:52:10 < srk> tcp idk. maybe so I can show off with some web shit xD
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2025-05-03T20:54:42 < karlp> qyx: freertos/freertos and freertos-kernel are separent hings
2025-05-03T20:54:53 < karlp> freertos _includes_ freertos-kernel as a submodule.
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2025-05-03T20:55:45 < karlp> It's pretty easy with modern freertos-kernel to just set port and heap impl and add_directory(freertos) shit.
2025-05-03T20:55:52 < karlp> it even prints out what you need to set to use it like that.
2025-05-03T20:56:51 < qyx> karlp: yes that's what I am saying but people tend to start with the *freertos* repo because it is marked as the official one now
2025-05-03T20:57:28 < karlp> well, it's official because the old one was under amazon for a while.
2025-05-03T20:57:45 < karlp> and shit like freertosplus tcp, plus fat, and so on are now free, not paid.
2025-05-03T20:57:48 < qyx> it changed around 7.x.x or 8.x.x when the kernel was submoduled and named -kernel
2025-05-03T20:58:23 < karlp> in fun news htough, 11.1.0 added a new mpu feature to the cm0 port, but the cmake was broken,_only_ for cm0
2025-05-03T20:58:36 < karlp> ask me what sort of "development" _I_ was doing last week ;)
2025-05-03T20:59:00 < qyx> once I looked at the mpu port, I was horrified
2025-05-03T20:59:01 < karlp> bright side, we now have a submodule instead of a splattered tree copy of "some" version now.
2025-05-03T20:59:06 < qyx> how can one use that shit?
2025-05-03T20:59:21 < karlp> yeah, you have to a _super_ defined need to wan tot go down that path.
2025-05-03T20:59:57 < qyx> I mean you have to do all by hand and it must become unmaintainable very soon
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2025-05-03T22:53:52 < Steffanx> So how was your day qyx?
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2025-05-03T23:10:50 < qyx> a bit sad steff
2025-05-03T23:12:05 < tomeaton17> thats a shame
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2025-05-04T06:50:24 < fenugrec> Thanks logitech, I enjoy downloading a 800MB anvil, to update the firmware in my wireslessmouse
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2025-05-04T11:51:20 < qyx> so I shouldn't be ashamed to distribude a 180 MB app with chrome packaged to setup devices and update their firmware?
2025-05-04T11:53:12 < jpa-> you should be proud, you can list it in your environmental responsibility statement as 12.4 kg CO2 saved per download
2025-05-04T11:59:53 < qyx> idk are there any practical ways to have a common codebase for a web app and a desktop app?
2025-05-04T12:00:30 < qyx> atm I plan to do a small serial/BLE/USB to websocket proxy app and run the rest of the UI in a browser
2025-05-04T12:01:17 < qyx> and in the case of a tcp/ip capable target, the web UI would be served directly from the target
2025-05-04T12:05:14 < specing> yes, with webassembly
2025-05-04T12:16:13 < qyx> no, webassembly is sandboxed and doesn't allow me to access neither of my required communication methods
2025-05-04T12:17:06 < specing> it's only sandboxed if you target regular browser. if you ship your own chrome then you can remove sandboxing
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2025-05-04T12:23:34 < qyx> I can't see how it solves my problem
2025-05-04T12:23:41 < qyx> it makes a new one
2025-05-04T12:25:49 < specing> qyx: web ui can connect using websockets?
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2025-05-04T13:14:07 < qyx> ok pyside6 now works on android too, no need for any web technology anymore
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2025-05-04T16:28:09 < Steffanx> But is your web tech also LGPL qyx?
2025-05-04T16:41:24 < qyx> no, gpl
2025-05-04T16:42:11 < qyx> also not applicable because python and not statically linking
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2025-05-04T17:54:31 < fenugrec> at that point why not just deploy a VM every time
2025-05-04T17:55:16 < fenugrec> VM->docker->custom chrome build
2025-05-04T18:04:50 < qyx> because I want to solve problems and not create new
2025-05-04T18:05:01 < qyx> I can see 4 problems in the previous sentence
2025-05-04T18:06:46 < Steffanx> I see 0
2025-05-04T18:11:22 < fenugrec> heh
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2025-05-04T20:17:56 < qyx> q: does Qt support ribbon menus?
2025-05-04T20:18:08 < qyx> "You can take any JavaScript/JQuery ribbon, insert it into QWebView and do whatever you want with it, using the Qt Webkit Bridge."
2025-05-04T20:18:26 < qyx> the state of modern development
2025-05-04T20:27:03 < fenugrec> revolting
2025-05-04T20:27:33 < fenugrec> makes me want to go back to 100% ncurses UIs, 100x more future proof
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2025-05-04T20:53:32 < fenugrec> who likes ribbons anyway
2025-05-04T21:03:53 < Steffanx> ^ 
2025-05-04T21:16:25 < qyx> me not
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2025-05-05T11:31:11 < specing>  irishka
2025-05-05T11:31:14 < specing> oops
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2025-05-05T11:35:34 < Steffanx> Ohno specing who did you summon?
2025-05-05T11:35:38 < Steffanx> Or what
2025-05-05T11:36:12 < fentyl> <random KGB agent>
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2025-05-05T13:49:25 < specing> fentyl: she's not belarussian, no :P
2025-05-05T13:50:11 < fentyl> specing: FSB is just another name for KGB
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2025-05-05T14:37:18 < karlp> the garden services divisoin of the city here is "GRU"
2025-05-05T14:37:53 < qyx> interesting masking
2025-05-05T14:38:47 < specing> special gardening operation forces
2025-05-05T14:39:12 < Steffanx> That's despicable.
2025-05-05T14:44:57 < karlp> heeeheeheeheee :)
2025-05-05T14:47:09 < specing> enjoy some footage of destroyed stuff: https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport
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2025-05-05T15:31:24 < jbo> good afternoon
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2025-05-05T15:38:49 < qyx> goob to ou too
2025-05-05T16:05:08 < Steffanx> Gooday Mr jbo
2025-05-05T16:15:41 < jbo> you're welcome
2025-05-05T16:33:38 < Steffanx> Ty
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2025-05-05T18:55:11 < infisc> specing: there are better videos here - https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/
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2025-05-05T21:35:23 < specing> infisc: heh, that's too pro-ukrainian for my taste. OTOH URR is very pro ru, hard to find a balanced one sub :(
2025-05-05T21:35:57 < specing> interesting, however, that they (ua) only reported stopping half of russian air wave, usually they claim a much higher %
2025-05-05T21:42:46 < fentyl> its a matter of saturation
2025-05-05T21:55:15 < specing> nah, I think ua has an antiair asset shortage
2025-05-05T21:55:37 < fentyl> that's the other aspect which determines when you saturate it
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2025-05-05T22:32:30 < \dev\ice> how to debug why systick interrupt does not "tick"? I have working blinky but when I loading from bootloader - uart works, gpio works, but not systick. linked correctly, seems vtor points to proper value. SysTick->VAL seems increasing
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2025-05-05T22:35:29 < qyx> your code?
2025-05-05T22:44:13 < \dev\ice> blincky - mine, bootloader - mcuboot
2025-05-05T22:48:23 < qyx> I mean, what's your code
2025-05-05T22:50:03 < \dev\ice> https://pastebin.com/fQfRxE48
2025-05-05T22:50:38 < \dev\ice> also changed .ld to FLASH    (rx)    : ORIGIN = (0x8000000 + 0x18000 + 0x200), LENGTH = (256K - 96K) 
2025-05-05T22:51:45 < \dev\ice> it stucks at HAL_Delay(500);
2025-05-05T23:21:52 < \dev\ice> seems found a problem (not a solution) - handlers are 0x0 and orig systick handler is invoked...
2025-05-05T23:37:59 < qyx> you said vtor is good
2025-05-05T23:38:13 < qyx> are your handler linked as 0x0?
2025-05-05T23:38:43 < qyx> how is it even possible to got that flashed and run by the bootloader?
2025-05-05T23:41:43 < srk> qyx: do you run a chain of rx/tx descriptors? 
2025-05-05T23:43:32 < srk> sometime my state machine flips and I get delayed rx packets (the app only gets first packet from the driver after I send a second one)
2025-05-05T23:44:20 < srk> I should probably check both owned bits in the chain (of two descs)
2025-05-05T23:44:59 < qyx> I am not really sure what are you talking about
2025-05-05T23:45:04 < srk> also osf (operate on second frame) for tx was acting kinda weird (similar delay but for tx)
2025-05-05T23:45:08 < srk> ethernet 
2025-05-05T23:46:42 < qyx> I am not dealing with ethernet in any way, I am IP and up
2025-05-05T23:46:53 < srk> HAL?
2025-05-05T23:47:59 < qyx> no hal, my MAC simply outputs the whole frame as it is, there is nothing similar to deal with?
2025-05-05T23:48:47 < srk> so you just fill a single descriptor and send it away
2025-05-05T23:49:00 < srk> I mean the ethernet peripheral driver
2025-05-05T23:50:14 < qyx> I am using 10base-t1s with open alliance's SPI MAC-PHY protocol to access the transceiver, I did my own driver
2025-05-05T23:50:29 < qyx> not using ST's ethernet MAC nor driver
2025-05-05T23:50:40 < qyx> so idk what rx/tx descriptor chain even mean
2025-05-05T23:50:52 < srk> ah I see
2025-05-05T23:51:17 < \dev\ice> qyx: I said... code prints VTOR: 0x0x8018200. for 0x0, i saw that VTOR value when I looked what's set when in bootloader. AFAIK 0x0 is mapped to 0x08000000, so it's actually BL flash region
2025-05-05T23:53:10 < \dev\ice> I see BL sets new VTOR too.. somehow does not work
2025-05-05T23:53:23 < qyx> which stm32?
2025-05-05T23:53:35 < \dev\ice> l432
2025-05-05T23:54:27 < qyx> l412 and l451 definitely work with a bootloader, vector remap and a systick in both bl and app
2025-05-05T23:54:48 < qyx> idk what's the issue
2025-05-05T23:54:56 < qyx> the code is very hard to read
2025-05-05T23:54:58 < \dev\ice> i mean, I know it works. I can boot zephyr app from this bootloader
2025-05-05T23:57:02 < srk> for ST ETH DMA you create rx/tx descriptors, that point to data buffers and sometimes next descriptors, creating a ring
2025-05-05T23:57:29 < srk> for fragmentation I think
2025-05-05T23:57:56 < \dev\ice> "the code is very hard to read" - there is just autogenerated stm32cubeide with added VectorBase_Config() and HAL_RCC_DeInit() before HAL_Init(); Rest it's just testing/debuging stuff
2025-05-05T23:58:08 < srk> how come no pros do ST ethernet
2025-05-05T23:58:33 < srk> yeah the autogenerated cube stuff is exactly the reason why it is hard to read :))
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2025-05-06T00:10:50 < \dev\ice> https://github.com/mcu-tools/mcuboot/blob/main/boot/zephyr/main.c#L216 set's. gdb confirs (p before 216 line and after): https://pastebin.com/j3uGkLbr  Application prints same value too...
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2025-05-06T00:25:24 < srk> I'm looking at another cube app and it has HAL_TIM_PeriodElapsedCallback that calls HAL_IncTick (triggered by TIM6)
2025-05-06T00:25:41 < srk> you might be missing some cube clicks
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2025-05-06T02:30:07 < jbo> omg blaxter still alive
2025-05-06T02:31:15 < jbo> how's baby shaking?
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2025-05-06T13:18:26 < karlp> bleh, I'm an adroid 14, and I don't have wifi easy connect / DPP to use to provision devices.
2025-05-06T13:18:29 < karlp> fuck samsung
2025-05-06T13:22:52 < specing> get a pixel or fairphone, those seem to have actual software support
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2025-05-06T13:25:06 < karlp> it doesn't matter
2025-05-06T13:25:23 < karlp> if samsung doesn't have DPP, can I actaully consider using DPP?
2025-05-06T13:48:15 < Steffanx> You can consider it and then say: nope
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2025-05-06T14:45:45 < karlp> that's kinda where I got too...
2025-05-06T14:46:21 < qyx> playing with pyocd and cmsis packs
2025-05-06T14:46:23 < karlp> leves esp's private "unified" which seems fairly well thought out, but requires using espressif phone apps, or writing your own, or TI's smartconfig, which is broadcasting shit.
2025-05-06T14:47:27 < qyx> $ time pyocd list -t --pack Keil.STM32G4xx_DFP.2.0.0.pack
2025-05-06T14:47:32 < qyx> real    0m18.614s
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2025-05-06T16:35:08 < jbo> hello Steffanx how are you doing today
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2025-05-06T17:12:57 < Steffanx> Wonderful. And yourself Mr jbo?
2025-05-06T17:20:40 < jbo> likewise
2025-05-06T17:20:44 < jbo> so nice to see you here today
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2025-05-06T17:36:15 < Steffanx> Likewise
2025-05-06T17:36:18 < Steffanx> :)
2025-05-06T17:36:26 < jbo> thank you!
2025-05-06T17:37:16 < Steffanx> 🎉
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2025-05-07T00:52:21 < karlp> hrm, I'm looking at a job that's windows app developlment....
2025-05-07T00:52:24 < karlp> with delphi...
2025-05-07T00:52:33 < karlp> I hope it's more of the embedded and only a bit of that :)
2025-05-07T00:53:12 < fenugrec> there was talk about delphi in another chan, is that even still a thing
2025-05-07T00:53:14 < qyx> don't
2025-05-07T00:53:41 < qyx> at least objectpascal and lazarus is
2025-05-07T00:53:55 < qyx> I am doing some boards for a $guy using lazarus to develop software for them
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2025-05-07T00:59:23 < karlp> I'm slightly more concerned that they want MORE icelandic than I've really got technically.
2025-05-07T00:59:31 < karlp> but can't do much about that.
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2025-05-07T02:28:01 < qyx> karlp: what does that mean
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2025-05-07T08:11:47 < jpa-> qyx: they want him to eat rotten shark
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2025-05-07T08:57:22 < BrainDamage> hákarlp
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2025-05-07T09:57:55 < qyx> is that a thing over there?
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2025-05-07T11:01:22 < Steffanx> Oh now BrainDamage's joke makes sense :D
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2025-05-07T12:45:34 < qyx> lol
2025-05-07T13:46:29 < fentyl> note to myself: __attribute__((naked)) won'
2025-05-07T13:46:49 < fentyl> t generate "BX LR" at the end of the function
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2025-05-07T14:38:05 < jbo> moin
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2025-05-07T18:01:00 < zyp> fentyl, the whole point of naked is that it won't generate anything for you
2025-05-07T18:35:15 < karlp> qyx: I'm not a native speaker, I'm "fine" but some people would definitely grumble about my grammar..
2025-05-07T18:35:36 < karlp> grumpy greybeards being one sort of person who might do so.
2025-05-07T18:35:58 < karlp> the note in the job ad might just be coded racism too...
2025-05-07T18:36:02 < karlp> no idea :)
2025-05-07T18:40:20 < jpa-> karlp: huh, what is your native language?
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2025-05-07T18:58:51 < Steffanx> Aussielandish
2025-05-07T18:58:58 < Steffanx> I think?
2025-05-07T18:59:07 < Steffanx> Gooday moite!
2025-05-07T19:05:51 < fentyl> zyp: yeah, that makes sense, just my understanding of terms prologue and epilogue was that they do stack frame init / deinit and return is implicit
2025-05-07T19:09:57 < qyx> karlp: that's news to me
2025-05-07T19:10:09 < qyx> you sounds very icelandic
2025-05-07T19:10:29 < qyx> -s
2025-05-07T19:50:49 < karlp> I'm sure my characters appear on screen in wonderfully icelandic styles...
2025-05-07T19:51:35 < karlp> anyway. I've cleaned up this disgusting word document as much as I can, given that the first authors were manually labelling figures and tables with tabs and manual font selections....
2025-05-07T19:59:14 < fenugrec> people still do that ? lol
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2025-05-07T20:18:57 < fentyl> that's the number one way of doing things with word
2025-05-07T20:24:38 < qyx> 99% of people
2025-05-07T20:48:11 < zyp> fentyl, on cortex-m, restore and return are often the same instruction
2025-05-07T20:49:13 < zyp> a typical prologue pushes a bunch of registers including lr, and then the epilogue pops the same register list, except lr is popped right into pc
2025-05-07T20:50:29 < zyp> but yeah
2025-05-07T20:51:00 < zyp> when you're using a naked function, you're often not returning anyway
2025-05-07T20:53:07 < zyp> IME on cortex-m, there's not really many places where you have a good reason to use a naked function
2025-05-07T21:09:04 < jpa-> capturing all registers of hardfault state is one use i've had (to save the ones isr entry doesn't push)
2025-05-07T21:23:52 < fentyl> zyp: good point
2025-05-07T21:24:30 < fentyl> and also fully agree. I am using naked function as a wrapper of PendSV_Handler
2025-05-07T21:24:42 < fentyl> so the thread switching behaves predictably
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2025-05-07T23:14:02 < zyp> fentyl, but do you really need that? doesn't the thread state get pushed on psp, whereas anything in the prologue would go on msp?
2025-05-07T23:14:41 < zyp> oh, right, callee save also needs to be stored on psp
2025-05-07T23:15:51 < fentyl> zyp: yes you have to save some registers which get overwritten by prologue from previous thread
2025-05-07T23:16:26 < fentyl> in the end, there's no new code, just two pieces of code swapped position. without naked wrapper function prologue is called before saving callee registers to psp
2025-05-07T23:16:46 < fentyl> naked wrapper function can just save callee registers and jump into plain C function that does the rest
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2025-05-08T02:17:25 < qyx> after 2 hours I got
2025-05-08T02:17:27 < qyx> NameError: name 'QSize' is not defined
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2025-05-08T10:24:59 < Steffanx> That sounds like the perfect moment to call it a day, qyx :P
2025-05-08T10:32:22 < jbo> good morning Steffanx
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2025-05-08T19:17:31 < fenugrec> pro web design tip : make your "send us a message" function so utterly retarted that you need to filter Evil Characters like &'"/<>
2025-05-08T19:17:38 < fenugrec> what is this, 2003
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2025-05-08T21:18:10  * Steffanx gives fenugrec some js to have a cat follow the cursor.
2025-05-08T21:22:34 < fenugrec> I was tempted to try some sql "drop tables;" mischief but I need to get stuff done and this is a bank website
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2025-05-09T10:10:16 < jpa-> oops, found a 13 GB log file of openocd complaining that debugger is disconnected
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2025-05-09T10:10:45 < jpa-> .. and another 12 GB one
2025-05-09T10:24:51 < fentyl> you preserve the history for future generations
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2025-05-09T12:05:48 < Steffanx> Thank you for sharing your daily adventures with us jpa- 
2025-05-09T12:13:27 < karlp> ffs, I've got to stop looking at some of these boards too closely, it's  just upsetting.
2025-05-09T12:13:59 < karlp> a resistor network, 4x1k, single piece on the board, used in parallel to make ~500ohm series resistors for rs232.  
2025-05-09T12:14:05 < karlp> there's already 470ohm resistors on the board.
2025-05-09T12:14:36 < karlp> there's 1k5 resistors in two sizes.
2025-05-09T12:14:56 < karlp> there's a fucking 10M 1210 resistor for the crystal which is a "remove for great justice"
2025-05-09T12:15:28 < karlp> 0402, 0603, 0805 and 1210 resistors.
2025-05-09T12:15:32 < karlp> alllll the packages!
2025-05-09T12:15:52 < karlp> there's only 15 resistors on the board.
2025-05-09T12:17:51 < karlp> the jumbo hc49 crystal is my fave though. always makes me sigh...
2025-05-09T12:22:48 < tpbsd> karlp, are the boards made by students ?
2025-05-09T12:23:19 < tpbsd> karlp, they sound like prototypes ?
2025-05-09T13:10:19 < fentyl> vibrations and heat are bitch, I've just discovered a bunch of transistors and diodes in bulletproof connection be dead anyway
2025-05-09T13:25:11 < karlp> no, this is "professional" shit unfortunately. it's what annoys me about it :)
2025-05-09T13:25:36 < karlp> remember, "production tested" just means "we're running it in production" not, "it's actually good"
2025-05-09T13:34:41 < tpbsd> ahh
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2025-05-09T18:24:18 < karlp> fecking, production testing docs written by a predecessor (and the whole design) involve plugging in molex picoblade board2board cables.
2025-05-09T18:24:25 < karlp> which have _30_ cycle rating.
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2025-05-09T18:30:29 < jbo> haha
2025-05-09T18:30:45 < jbo> I used picoblades lately. they are pretty great (if you plug them in once and then forget about them)
2025-05-09T18:45:59 < karlp> yeah, no problem with the design using them as board to board, but... this system design is just b0rked.
2025-05-09T18:46:49 < karlp> (it even uses a 4pin picoblade _and_ a 6pin picoblade, two cables going between the same two boards.  I suggested making that one cable instead of two, but... no... design is perfect)
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2025-05-09T20:43:48 < Alexey1> Hello
2025-05-09T20:43:51 < Alexey1> Had somebody work with CAN on GD32?
2025-05-09T20:44:06 < jbo> only on stm32
2025-05-09T20:45:12 < Alexey1> sorry
2025-05-09T20:48:46 < tomeaton17> clone enjoyer
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2025-05-09T21:09:40 < Steffanx> Lol nomorekaki sent him here. You guys should be more friendly 
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2025-05-09T22:48:53 < tpbsd> besides, there must be billions of clones in the world now, besides Alexy1 didn't say wether it was a GD32F Cortex-M clone or a GD32VF RISC-V
2025-05-09T22:50:47 < tpbsd> I still get about 6 downloads a day of my Bluepill Diags-1.6 by people wanting to learn what the actual MCU fitted to their Bluepill is, and the total now is over 10k downloads (since 2022)
2025-05-09T22:51:26 < tpbsd> https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/bluepill-diagnostics-v1.6.html
2025-05-09T22:57:38 < tpbsd> oops make that since 2019, I was thinking of another project (svd2db)
2025-05-09T23:02:17 < tpbsd> I suppose I should mention my latest floss project, it's a Neovim project for 'down to the metal' STM32 programmers who dont have a headers type file for their mcu
2025-05-09T23:03:48 < tpbsd> it's the latest version of SVD2DB (V3) which Hackaday did a short article on in 2022 at https://hackaday.com/2022/11/21/making-svd-files-searchable-with-svd2db/
2025-05-09T23:04:13 < tpbsd> anyway here are some pics of the Neovim plugin
2025-05-09T23:04:50 < tpbsd> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc/files/svd2db-v3-neovim-1.png
2025-05-09T23:05:16 < tpbsd> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc/files/svd2db-v3-neovim-2.png/download
2025-05-09T23:15:17 < Steffanx> Random question. Is the bsd in your name related to the freebsd, tpbsd ?
2025-05-09T23:16:35 < tpbsd> Steffanx, it is, I switched from Linux (1994 - 2018) to FreeBSD (2018 - 2025) then back to Linux atm
2025-05-09T23:16:46 < Steffanx> I see.
2025-05-09T23:17:24 < tpbsd> but my fav OS is actually OpenIndiana the Floss fork of Solaris
2025-05-09T23:17:33 < jbo> Solaris <3
2025-05-09T23:18:00 < tpbsd> Ive used most OS's in the last 40 years
2025-05-09T23:18:27 < jbo> I never quite understood the incentives to mess with NetBSD.
2025-05-09T23:19:29 < tpbsd> jbo, it's mainly to get Unix on obscure hardware back when Linux wasnt available for every ISA
2025-05-09T23:19:55 < jbo> I might be too mainstream for that :(
2025-05-09T23:20:19 < tpbsd> and probably will be again, ie x286, x386 etc
2025-05-09T23:20:40 < jbo> don't tell me you're sad that FreeBSD will drop i386 support after 15
2025-05-09T23:20:43 < tpbsd> everyone is mainstream again but that probably wont last
2025-05-09T23:21:34 < tpbsd> no, not me, I'm glad they dropped it, it was a big developer load for not much reason imho
2025-05-09T23:21:57 < jbo> I straight up stopped testing ports on i386 once it became tier 2 :p
2025-05-09T23:22:04 < tpbsd> who wants a x386 thesedays in their workstation ?
2025-05-09T23:22:39 < tpbsd> I use a couple of Ryzens thesedays in my PC's
2025-05-09T23:22:53 < jbo> yeah, ryzen & threadripper here too.
2025-05-09T23:23:03 < tpbsd> all mu old Intel gear died over the years
2025-05-09T23:23:53 < jbo> luckily, the dev community is pretty lax on aarch64 testing for ports given how much of a PITA it is. I'm still hiding behind the curtains
2025-05-09T23:24:18 < tpbsd> Ryzen is fuss free I find, tho I only have a 3600 and a 5500, which are actually plenty for me
2025-05-09T23:24:47 < tpbsd> even Openindiana runs on my 3600 no problems
2025-05-09T23:24:49 < jbo> how long does a buildworld take on a 550? like 900s?
2025-05-09T23:25:38 < tpbsd> Ive no idea, I havent done one
2025-05-09T23:25:46 < jbo> awww
2025-05-09T23:26:30 < tpbsd> I did build all the ports once tho on a X86 sandybridge which took days ...
2025-05-09T23:26:43 < jbo> what do you mean by _all_ the ports? All 32k?
2025-05-09T23:27:02 < tpbsd> Im just a electronics hardware guy, just a pc user
2025-05-09T23:27:13 < tpbsd> everything yeah
2025-05-09T23:27:21 < jbo> why would you even do that?
2025-05-09T23:27:28 < jbo> my repo is ~2.2k ports
2025-05-09T23:27:29 < tpbsd> to see if I could
2025-05-09T23:27:32 < jbo> :D
2025-05-09T23:27:42 < tpbsd> I only did it once
2025-05-09T23:27:53 < tpbsd> worked out fine
2025-05-09T23:28:06 < jbo> it certainly does. just a question of patience and "why"
2025-05-09T23:28:23 < Steffanx> The question is: why not?
2025-05-09T23:28:36 < tpbsd> the usual answer "to learn stuff"
2025-05-09T23:29:08 < tpbsd> one doesnt learn anything by not doing things :)
2025-05-09T23:29:14 < jbo> indeed :)
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2025-05-09T23:30:00 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOpYLn6vQuY
2025-05-09T23:30:08 < jbo> omg blaxter alive
2025-05-09T23:30:26 < Steffanx> Welcome Mr blaxter
2025-05-09T23:30:36 < tpbsd> now Ive switched from VIM to Neovim for my work, I'm blown away, it's like a whole new toy
2025-05-09T23:30:38 < Steffanx> What brings your here at this late hour?
2025-05-09T23:30:54 < Laurenceb_> bored so shitposting
2025-05-09T23:31:01 < Steffanx> I see
2025-05-09T23:31:07 < Steffanx> No stm32 news?
2025-05-09T23:31:25 < Steffanx> Update on the Russian gfx in the basement?
2025-05-09T23:31:25 < Laurenceb_> no, busy with work stuff, today we cooked a steel beam
2025-05-09T23:31:28 < Laurenceb_> lmao
2025-05-09T23:32:46 < fentyl> tpbsd: aarch64 made me to switch to neovim years ago
2025-05-09T23:33:05 < fentyl> the gtk shell for vim was painfully slow on aarch64
2025-05-09T23:33:09 < Laurenceb_>  "fun" problem: we need to drive a resistor bank from an inverter, but the resistor bank has 200nF parasitic capacitance
2025-05-09T23:33:44 < Laurenceb_> it runs at 8kHz, 800V, so the leakage current through the parasitic capacitance burnt through steel beams when we turned it on
2025-05-09T23:33:53 < jbo> isn't neovim electron?
2025-05-09T23:34:51 < fentyl> maybe there's electron "GUI" too, but most prevalent graphical one is Qt and neovim itself is console-only
2025-05-09T23:34:53 < Steffanx> Electron is all you need in 2025
2025-05-09T23:35:17 < Laurenceb_> I thought you means electron as in javascript then..
2025-05-09T23:35:17 < fentyl> Steffanx: no, all you need is electron-124, electron-123, electron-128 and electron-119
2025-05-09T23:35:40 < Steffanx> Whatever electron fits your needs
2025-05-09T23:35:59 < Steffanx> Sometimes you just don't know your needs
2025-05-09T23:36:06 < Laurenceb_> javascript needs to die, MS teams is electron and its a cpu hog and buggy
2025-05-09T23:36:10 < specing> Laurenceb_: what are you even doing at work, wasn't hyperloop cancelled?
2025-05-09T23:36:24 < Laurenceb_> lolno we are working on a similar project
2025-05-09T23:36:42 < jbo> shaking babies in vacuum tubes
2025-05-09T23:37:00 < Laurenceb_> but right now I have to test shinkansen inverters and its not going well - new managers want safety to be improved, and with new grounding scheme things get pyrotechical
2025-05-09T23:37:11 < Steffanx> Don't forget to monitor craplliary
2025-05-09T23:37:41 < Laurenceb_> all I can think to fix this is a common mode choke, but current is up to 4kA
2025-05-09T23:38:06 < jbo> just do what Steffanx would do
2025-05-09T23:38:18 < tpbsd> I think neovim is mostly Lua, it's dead easy to build from a git pull
2025-05-09T23:38:20 < Steffanx> Don't you love it how we didn't for get about your Laurenceb_ ? Even the tie is still in our minds
2025-05-09T23:38:28 < Laurenceb_> heh thanks
2025-05-09T23:38:41 < Steffanx> You*
2025-05-09T23:40:45 < jbo> yeah, looks like I was wrong. no electron indeed
2025-05-09T23:41:42 < Laurenceb_> https://nitter.poast.org/ZoomerHistorian/status/1920393630579114433#m
2025-05-09T23:41:44 < Laurenceb_> lmao
2025-05-09T23:43:22 < tpbsd> neovim has opened up all kinds of new tools fo me and Ive been using VIM since about 1998
2025-05-09T23:44:09 < jbo> tpbsd, could you elaborate? vim boy here and I didn't hear any convincing anecdotes yet.
2025-05-09T23:44:14 < tpbsd> mainly for my Forth on STM32 stuff
2025-05-09T23:44:34 < jbo> what's missing in vim for that?
2025-05-09T23:45:08 < tpbsd> jbo, mainly about 100 IQ points from my end !
2025-05-09T23:45:50 < tpbsd> jbo, I always found VIM admin horrific, impossible to understand, frustrating
2025-05-09T23:46:12 < tpbsd> but after the first 12 months I couldnt live without it
2025-05-09T23:46:49 < jbo> apologies if I am being ignorant (or just undereducated): what is "VIM admin"?
2025-05-09T23:46:50 < tpbsd> then when I tried Neovim (with the Kickstarter plugin) suddenly everything was easy
2025-05-09T23:47:03 < jbo> aaah, just general vim setup schenanigans?
2025-05-09T23:47:11 < tpbsd> someone who can install a VIM plugin
2025-05-09T23:47:15 < tpbsd> yeah
2025-05-09T23:47:25 < jbo> hmm
2025-05-09T23:47:36 < tpbsd> someone who can install a VIM highlighter
2025-05-09T23:47:53 < jbo> :set syntax=on   :p
2025-05-09T23:48:33 < tpbsd> hhah, VIMs extensive language library is recent 
2025-05-09T23:49:00 < tpbsd> besides, jbo VIM uses GREP internally to do the highlighting
2025-05-09T23:49:32 < tpbsd> whereas Nvim uses 'tree-sitter' which is a serious parser for it's highlighting
2025-05-09T23:49:46 < jbo> lua shit tends to work well in my experience. I just want to know what I'm missing by not using nvim :p
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2025-05-09T23:50:43 < tpbsd> jbo, a LOT, just try Nvim with the Kickstarter plugin to get going :)
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2025-05-10T00:01:27 < Steffanx> Vscode with copilot is all you need 
2025-05-10T00:01:39 < Laurenceb_> lmao
2025-05-10T00:01:49  * Laurenceb_ uses notepad++ on wurk windozer
2025-05-10T00:01:57 < Laurenceb_> gedit on linux
2025-05-10T00:02:00 < tpbsd> jbo, ironically Ive learnt more about VIM by using nvim for a couple of weeks, than I have using VIM for 40 years !
2025-05-10T00:03:19 < tpbsd> Steffanx, I did try Vscode for a while, but it's a java heavy pig :) besides there is a neovim copilot plugin
2025-05-10T00:04:05 < tpbsd> Laurenceb_, I've used gedit also, nice and small, fast etc
2025-05-10T00:04:32 < Steffanx> It's not java... 
2025-05-10T00:05:30 < tpbsd> Steffanx, sorry, but it's still a fat bloated pig :)
2025-05-10T00:05:44 < jbo> BSD vibes
2025-05-10T00:06:05 < tpbsd> jbo, yeah probably
2025-05-10T00:06:12 < Laurenceb_> I have used visual studio for stm32 but it was a pita to set up
2025-05-10T00:06:16 < jbo> tpbsd, not judging :p
2025-05-10T00:06:23 < Laurenceb_> worked very well once set up correctly
2025-05-10T00:06:25 < Steffanx> Judgement.
2025-05-10T00:06:32 < jbo> no judgement.
2025-05-10T00:07:04 < tpbsd> back then I tried Sublime because VScode was so slow, and I liked Sublime, but it couldnt get me away from Vim
2025-05-10T00:07:32 < jbo> tpbsd, did you run sublime with centos7 linuxulator?
2025-05-10T00:07:51 < jbo> tpbsd, I'm currently pretending to test rl9 instead but... all the shit I truly care about doesn't need it.
2025-05-10T00:08:27 < tpbsd> jbo, no, I avoided the Linuxulator because of too many incompat issues
2025-05-10T00:09:06 < jbo> tpbsd, I'd like to know more! sublime via c7 linuxulator worked fine for me a few years ago (before I went back to just vim)
2025-05-10T00:09:27 < tpbsd> jbo, it worked for a few things tho, like a Linux only radio propagation analyser
2025-05-10T00:09:39 < Steffanx> I liked sublime until they want me to pay for a new license 
2025-05-10T00:09:46 < tpbsd> jbo, lol, and IE
2025-05-10T00:09:51 < jbo> :D
2025-05-10T00:09:56 < jbo> Steffanx, just tell your boss to pay
2025-05-10T00:09:59 < tpbsd> Steffanx, yeah, exactly
2025-05-10T00:10:23 < tomeaton17> hahah that is amazing
2025-05-10T00:10:44 < Steffanx> You are amazing tomeaton17 
2025-05-10T00:10:51 < tpbsd> the neovim community is staggering in size, it's like a tsunami, I didnt know until I started using it
2025-05-10T00:10:57 < Steffanx> Do people tell you this often enough?
2025-05-10T00:11:02 < tomeaton17> Thanks Steffanx
2025-05-10T00:11:10 < tomeaton17> It is a great return from Laurenceb_ 
2025-05-10T00:11:11 < jbo> you're welcome!
2025-05-10T00:11:21 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: it means a lot more from you
2025-05-10T00:11:25 < jbo> :(
2025-05-10T00:11:52 < tomeaton17> Unfortunately the song is quite catchy 
2025-05-10T00:12:00 < Steffanx> Awesome. tomeaton17 has been away for a while too. Is tomeaton17 a doctor yet? Like Dr Laurenceb_ ?
2025-05-10T00:12:06 < tpbsd> jbo, in general I avoid VM's and emulators thesedays and life is simpler
2025-05-10T00:12:31 < jbo> time to post my master work: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/family-photo.jpg?raw=true
2025-05-10T00:12:47 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: nope, I only did a masters. I am working in embedded now
2025-05-10T00:12:53 < jbo> actually.... why the fuck did I choose to be the kid next to Laurenceb_ ?
2025-05-10T00:12:53 < Laurenceb_> Hi tomeaton17, good to see you back too
2025-05-10T00:12:59 < Steffanx> Aha the real life
2025-05-10T00:13:05 < Laurenceb_> jbo: huh?
2025-05-10T00:13:07 < tomeaton17> Of course I owe my career to the early support you gave me
2025-05-10T00:13:17 < jbo> Laurenceb_, I made that picture back in the day.
2025-05-10T00:13:29 < jbo> as in... not the picture, but the "annotated work"
2025-05-10T00:13:41 < Steffanx> Is ReadError still alive though? 
2025-05-10T00:13:49 < Laurenceb_> or dongs
2025-05-10T00:14:03 < Laurenceb_> or .... flyback
2025-05-10T00:14:11 < jbo> fuck I'm getting old
2025-05-10T00:14:26 < Steffanx> Dongs is alive. He's in the telegram channel, Laurenceb_ 
2025-05-10T00:14:34 < Laurenceb_> ah telegram ok
2025-05-10T00:14:37 < tpbsd> jbo, *you* think youre getting old !
2025-05-10T00:14:38 < Steffanx> He's still doing his thing 
2025-05-10T00:14:43 < jbo> tpbsd, yes :)
2025-05-10T00:14:51 < tomeaton17> Oh dongs I think that rings a bell
2025-05-10T00:14:57 < Laurenceb_> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Flyback
2025-05-10T00:15:01 < jbo> ah fuck looks like we also lost dekar
2025-05-10T00:15:09 < Laurenceb_> >since 1997
2025-05-10T00:15:21 < jbo> dongs shouldn't just ring a bell. you should live dongs. dongs is a lifestyle.
2025-05-10T00:15:23 < tomeaton17> I think that was the chap who righfully hounded me for spamming the channel with trivial questions
2025-05-10T00:15:46 < jbo> tomeaton17, don't worry. when I joined ##stm32 back in 2007 or whatever he did the same to me (rightfully, too)
2025-05-10T00:16:04 < jbo> it was back when Steffanx still tried to keep the channel "nice"
2025-05-10T00:16:14 < tomeaton17> A rite of passage some might say
2025-05-10T00:16:14 < Steffanx> The good old times
2025-05-10T00:16:16 < Laurenceb_> tomeaton17: if you ever need a jerb in Derby we need more staff atm
2025-05-10T00:16:17 < jbo> hence he's the papa in the picture
2025-05-10T00:16:18 < tpbsd> jbo, I was a member of this channel when  it had ~300 users and was hosted by freenode back before 2019
2025-05-10T00:16:40 < jbo> tpbsd, you're doing it wrong then. you never told me you're a BSD guy
2025-05-10T00:16:47 < Steffanx> You must be in the logs then..
2025-05-10T00:16:48 < Laurenceb_> huh it never has >100 users most of the time I remember?
2025-05-10T00:17:01 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: you still in medical?
2025-05-10T00:17:14 < Laurenceb_> no I work on rail stuff
2025-05-10T00:17:17 < jbo> this evening feels nostalgic - Laurenceb_ present and everything. - mark your logs.
2025-05-10T00:17:21 < Steffanx> Maniacal you mean? 
2025-05-10T00:17:26 < tpbsd> my nick was 'tp' back then but after freenode got cancelled it wasnt available on liberia
2025-05-10T00:17:45 < jbo> oh shit, I remember 'tp' !
2025-05-10T00:17:54 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: I have been in defence for a bit, currently at a start up. Definitely interested in something else however
2025-05-10T00:17:55 < jbo> glad to see that you evolved the bsd way :)
2025-05-10T00:18:06 < tpbsd> yeah I was a prolific poster back then
2025-05-10T00:18:13 < Steffanx> He is a sinner, he moved away...
2025-05-10T00:18:19 < tomeaton17> From my early freenode stint I remember the great pedo spam wave thing
2025-05-10T00:18:22 < Steffanx> It's Lunix now
2025-05-10T00:18:27 < Laurenceb_> tomeaton17: we do loads of random projects, mixture of R&D and reconditoning
2025-05-10T00:18:47 < tpbsd> I started my own channel on hackint after freenode
2025-05-10T00:18:49 < Steffanx> That's all you remember tomeaton17 ?
2025-05-10T00:18:50 < jbo> the only thing that Laurenceb_ can recondition is pedos - into more pedo stuff while doing high-altitude shit.
2025-05-10T00:18:51 < Laurenceb_> I think it was kiwifarms doing the spam
2025-05-10T00:19:05 < Laurenceb_> jbo: lulwtf
2025-05-10T00:19:14 < jbo> you know it's true
2025-05-10T00:19:18 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: not just that, but it was one of the more enjoyable things
2025-05-10T00:19:26 < tpbsd> it's only small with about 8 users and only for small Forth embedded hardware projects
2025-05-10T00:19:26 < Laurenceb_> jbo: speak for urself
2025-05-10T00:19:34 < Laurenceb_> wait was it jbo doing the spam
2025-05-10T00:19:38 < jbo> Laurenceb_, you might not remember me (mostly because nick change and long period of AFK) but... you know it's true :p
2025-05-10T00:19:47 < jbo> jbo never spammed except for stupid questions
2025-05-10T00:19:50 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: R&D is good, my grad job was R&D consultancy
2025-05-10T00:19:55 < tomeaton17> is it semens?
2025-05-10T00:19:57 < Steffanx> What do you britbongs put in your tea tomeaton17 ? Why you guys enjoy this?
2025-05-10T00:20:09 < jbo> Laurenceb_, btw. I visited your country in the meantime.
2025-05-10T00:20:26 < tomeaton17> You managed to avoid getting stabbed clearly
2025-05-10T00:20:33 < Steffanx> Oooh that explains a few things jbo
2025-05-10T00:20:38 < Steffanx> It's the TEA
2025-05-10T00:20:41 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: I prefer whisky
2025-05-10T00:21:05 < Laurenceb_> tomeaton17: no a small operation, only ~30 staff
2025-05-10T00:21:30 < jbo> Laurenceb_, I need more shitposting content please
2025-05-10T00:21:34 < tomeaton17> alright, if you stay active lets follow up on that
2025-05-10T00:21:47 < specing> Laurenceb_: what's the plan with the shinkansen inverters
2025-05-10T00:21:53 < specing> and were the TGV ones no good?
2025-05-10T00:22:06 < Laurenceb_> to test them under realistic load, yeah TGV ones were tested ok
2025-05-10T00:22:14 < specing> and then what
2025-05-10T00:22:19 < Laurenceb_> send them back
2025-05-10T00:22:30 < Laurenceb_> they were reconditioned with new IGBTs and gate drivers
2025-05-10T00:22:34 < tpbsd> jbo, the other thing about neovim is it only took me 4 days to write a plugin for my svd2db as a pop up !
2025-05-10T00:22:35 < specing> ... so they're new inverters that need to be tested before installation?
2025-05-10T00:22:38 < tomeaton17> I was humming that song all day at work
2025-05-10T00:23:40 < Laurenceb_> specing: yeah
2025-05-10T00:24:00 < specing> Laurenceb_: ah
2025-05-10T00:24:04 < Laurenceb_> atm I have 120uH air cored inductor and 0.12Ohm resistor
2025-05-10T00:24:08 < tomeaton17> currently i am on BMS work, which is somewhat cyclical considering that was how I started here
2025-05-10T00:24:24 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: I remember you were a great r/cringeanarchy enjoye
2025-05-10T00:24:32 < jbo> so nice to witness real love
2025-05-10T00:24:33 < Laurenceb_> but the resistor bank has 200nF parasitic capacitance as old boss made it from immersion heater elements
2025-05-10T00:24:41 < Laurenceb_> heh r/cringeanarchy
2025-05-10T00:24:57 < jbo> Laurenceb_, WAIT WAIT WAIT, did you transition from 4chan to redditz?
2025-05-10T00:25:11 < Laurenceb_> jbo: I don't actually care about either tbh
2025-05-10T00:25:22 < jbo> Laurenceb_, I hope you still pretend to care about me tho :(
2025-05-10T00:25:24 < tomeaton17> wasnt 4chan infiltrated by the woke mob
2025-05-10T00:25:43 < Laurenceb_> sounds unlikely
2025-05-10T00:25:44 < jbo> fun fact: 4chan was running a version of FreeBSD that was EOL since 2016 :D  
2025-05-10T00:25:58 < jbo> (wasn't the attack vector tho, some unvetted upload with ghostscript shits was)
2025-05-10T00:26:23 < Laurenceb_> specing: so I connect R,L system between two phases of the inverter
2025-05-10T00:26:38 < Laurenceb_> then one side is 0 or 800V and the other side is PWM
2025-05-10T00:27:08 < Laurenceb_> I have some huge contactors and the whole process is automated as I have hundreds of inverters to test...
2025-05-10T00:27:27 < tomeaton17> https://x.com/KiwiFarmsDotNet/status/1912296346318500020
2025-05-10T00:27:47 < Laurenceb_> problem is when the R is at the PWM side the test stand structure gets cooked as there are huge currents through the parasitic capacitance of the load resistor each time the inverter switches
2025-05-10T00:28:52 < Laurenceb_> maybe I can split the air core inductor and put the R in the middle, need to get my head around it as it would be a coupled inductance if the two coils were on top of each other
2025-05-10T00:29:59 < Laurenceb_> I could... cut the steelwork and put the R frame on nylon standoffs, but it will generate horrific EMI
2025-05-10T00:30:08 < tomeaton17> Its way too late to be talking shop its shitpost hours
2025-05-10T00:30:14 < tpbsd> Steffanx, oops, I just checked my logs, I was barely on STM32 for some reason, but I was on ##embedded on freenode since 2014
2025-05-10T00:30:17 < BrainDamage> the guys are so paranoid about woke that they will find some up their asses too
2025-05-10T00:30:46 < jbo> BrainDamage welcome \o/
2025-05-10T00:30:47 < tomeaton17> BrainDamage: yeah I shitted some out yesterday
2025-05-10T00:30:54 < jbo> BrainDamage, did you find an outlet to charge your phone yet?
2025-05-10T00:31:19 < Steffanx> Jbo is back in 2021?
2025-05-10T00:31:30 < jbo> wasn't that more like 2018?
2025-05-10T00:31:31  * Laurenceb_ checked the logs and he posted 120000 lines from 2006 to 2018
2025-05-10T00:32:06 < specing> Laurenceb_: wrap whole test room with a wire mesh to kill EMI?
2025-05-10T00:32:12 < specing> (would this even work??)
2025-05-10T00:32:34 < tomeaton17> I really need to change my nick, I am glad the logs didnt come up during my security clearance
2025-05-10T00:32:38 < Laurenceb_> specing: probably lol, but boss wants inverters to start shipping monday lmao
2025-05-10T00:33:17 < specing> Laurenceb_: tell boss to start delivering you new steel beams to melt
2025-05-10T00:33:41 < Laurenceb_> I should probably just work this out on paper, I found enough huge ferrite toroids to made a 1mH, 4kA common mode choke
2025-05-10T00:34:17 < specing> you're going to build a coilgun?
2025-05-10T00:35:24 < Steffanx> He'll shoot them wookies back up there
2025-05-10T00:36:06 < Laurenceb_> lol I probably could build a coilgun, but its very hard to make one that actually does anything impressive
2025-05-10T00:36:58 < tomeaton17> lasers are more fun, boiling the blood vessels behind your retina so they explode through it and pepper it with holes
2025-05-10T00:38:38 < jbo> Laurenceb_ style would be to ensure that the bursting blood vessels leave a swastika shape on your retina
2025-05-10T00:39:48 < Laurenceb_> jbo == tectu  ?
2025-05-10T00:39:53 < tomeaton17> I am sure that could be arranged, considering the typical use case angular resolution is very good
2025-05-10T00:41:04 < tpbsd> I remember tectu
2025-05-10T00:42:10 < Steffanx> I don't remember tectu :o
2025-05-10T00:42:42 < tomeaton17> We need a loremaster to check the logs
2025-05-10T00:42:51 < Steffanx> tomeaton17: works in the laser business?
2025-05-10T00:43:13 < Steffanx> I know some more doing that
2025-05-10T00:43:23 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: I did some laser work during my defence times...
2025-05-10T00:44:11 < tomeaton17> I wish I could say more, very interesting. Although progress is glacially slow
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2025-05-10T00:45:12 < Steffanx> You can say more. This channel isn't logged 
2025-05-10T00:45:31 < Laurenceb_> I'm not sure thats true...
2025-05-10T00:45:49 < Steffanx> You haven't been around for a while Laurenceb_ 
2025-05-10T00:46:22 < Steffanx> Party pooper Laurenceb_ 
2025-05-10T00:46:31 < Laurenceb_> jpa stopped logging?
2025-05-10T00:46:37 < tomeaton17> glowie detected
2025-05-10T00:46:43 < Laurenceb_> lol
2025-05-10T00:46:51 < Steffanx> Obviously not Laurenceb_ :P
2025-05-10T00:48:20 < tomeaton17> I actually did really like defence work it was the most interesting stuff I have done so far, but the salary and pace were just rubbish unfortunately. There is a reason most prime defence companies in the uk are mostly grads. Although I was slightly abstracted from that being in a consultancy
2025-05-10T00:49:38 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, same here re DOD r&d work (australia)
2025-05-10T00:50:20 < Laurenceb_> tfw new Kayne West is actually quite catchy
2025-05-10T00:50:47 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: yeah i cannot disagree with that
2025-05-10T00:51:26 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, I used to make up hardware using the Rockwell 65F11 with Forth in rom for some defence projs back in the 80's
2025-05-10T00:51:29 < Steffanx> Inb4 Laurence tells us he's a swiftie
2025-05-10T00:52:57 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: there is still a lot of aukus/five eyes collaboration. I hope I am allowed to say that but the aussies have done some great work.
2025-05-10T01:01:00 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, I left that area around 1987, but still have fond memories of spooks clearing the development department with handheld scanners every week. We used to call them 'pepper shakers' because they made sure that no one saw what they were when they did it
2025-05-10T01:01:56 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: the old school glowies thats great
2025-05-10T01:02:24 < tomeaton17> I have no idea what it was like back then but I wouldn't hesitate to say it hasn't changed much
2025-05-10T01:02:51 < tpbsd> hahah, yeah govt 'intelligence' is a contradiction in terms
2025-05-10T01:03:48 < tpbsd> I was working for a company owned by a SAS dude, thats how I found myself doing the work
2025-05-10T01:04:02 < tomeaton17> its very true, with the civil service salary how can you expect anything good
2025-05-10T01:04:55 < tpbsd> yeah, hence their reliance on private industry
2025-05-10T01:06:16 < tomeaton17> its definitely a gravy train in the uk atleast
2025-05-10T01:08:15 < jbo> did somebody say "train"? I like trains.
2025-05-10T01:10:23 < tomeaton17> So does Laurenceb_ clearly
2025-05-10T01:12:17 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_ switched to trains only so that he could shake whole wagons instead of just babies
2025-05-10T01:12:23 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, in the 80's I had some very good friends who did their electronics apprenticeships at WRE (weapons research establishment) in Adelaide and they worked on the 'blue streak' missile
2025-05-10T01:13:17 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, they told me how the first few prototypes would launch and then go all wobbly and crash anywhere nearby
2025-05-10T01:14:01 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: haha I am not suprised, early field tests were a shitshow here as well
2025-05-10T01:14:28 < tomeaton17> I did have the chance to go out to australia for an aukus conference but it fell through unfortunately
2025-05-10T01:14:50 < tpbsd> it took the a while to discover the guy building the PSU's for the missile wasnt deburring the holes in the heatsink for the 2n3055 legs and the vibration would cause the rough edges to stick thru the mica insulators and the psu would short out !
2025-05-10T01:15:05 < jbo> Laurenceb_ is secretly transforming all railways into railguns
2025-05-10T01:17:05 < tomeaton17> sounds about right. Good stories
2025-05-10T01:18:20 < tpbsd> yeah, they were all great stories about the usual mistakes
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2025-05-10T01:21:33 < tomeaton17> seems like laurence needs to get a bouncer
2025-05-10T01:22:23 < specing> libera needs history/persistence/built-in bouncer support
2025-05-10T01:23:43 < tomeaton17> this is irc, you have to do everything by yourself
2025-05-10T01:26:28 < tpbsd> it used to be like that with Usenet until Google Groups came along
2025-05-10T01:27:00 < tpbsd> and it used to be that way with embedded before Arduino came out :(
2025-05-10T01:27:43 < tpbsd> once, long ago, if you couldnt write your own linker script, you couldnt get a micro up and running
2025-05-10T01:38:37 < tomeaton17> arduino is a blessing and a curse
2025-05-10T01:38:55 < tomeaton17> From my experience it got me into this engineering space
2025-05-10T01:39:08 < tomeaton17> but I realised it could only take me so far
2025-05-10T01:39:27 < tomeaton17> However I am not a huge fan of the micropython abominations
2025-05-10T01:40:08 < tpbsd> yeah, it introduce people to embedded who would never have been able to make the jump otherwise
2025-05-10T01:41:16 < tpbsd> micropython is 30x slower than Forth, and Forth is slower than C on the same hardware
2025-05-10T01:42:09 < tpbsd> not thats ok if youre making a cat door I guess, but it's not ok if youre counting pulses at 5khz with the cpu in a MCU
2025-05-10T01:42:17 < tpbsd> not = now
2025-05-10T01:48:20 < tomeaton17> intepreted languages have no place near embedded. I know micropython gets compiled but the principle is there
2025-05-10T01:50:58 < qyx> if you are counting 5 kHz pulses in software you are doing something wrong
2025-05-10T01:51:15 < jbo> qyx \o/
2025-05-10T01:51:34 < tpbsd> compiled into what ? one still has a terminal into micropython like Forth ?
2025-05-10T01:52:08 < tpbsd> qyx, sure, but what if youre using a z80 or a 6502 ?
2025-05-10T01:53:47 < tomeaton17> Honestly I have no idea about micropython, I assumed that it was compiled and then download onto the mcu. if it includes an interpreter that is somewhat more impressive actually. But my point still stands
2025-05-10T01:54:37 < tpbsd> qyx, we are all spoiled by 30+ inbuilt peripherals inc a minimum of 8 timer/counters on STM32, but I think it's instructive to at least try and count pulses by the cpu, just to get a feel for it ?
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2025-05-10T01:56:29 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, Ive evaluated micropython, elua, elisp all on STM32 and while upython and elua are very tidy, they're slow as molasses and need at least 300LB flash for the image
2025-05-10T01:56:40 < tpbsd> 300KB
2025-05-10T01:56:55 < tpbsd> Forth fits in 20KB 
2025-05-10T01:57:14 < tomeaton17> Not suprising, there is obviously an overhead for the interpreter shite
2025-05-10T01:57:20 < tpbsd> assembler or C fit in 80 bytes for a blinky !
2025-05-10T01:57:30 < tpbsd> yeah, a huge overhead
2025-05-10T01:59:13 < tomeaton17> I think Arduino does a better job of introducing people to embedded programming, of course its not perfect. But an interpreted solution will never be useful pedagogically
2025-05-10T02:01:23 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, I'm nearly 71 years old, I started with valves in the 1960's and have seen a lot of change over the years
2025-05-10T02:02:13 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, I can't say I was ever impressed with the lack of skills that Arduino engendered, but I guess vibe coding will do the same for programmers
2025-05-10T02:02:50 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: I am only 25. Good to see that IRC is still spreading experience
2025-05-10T02:03:13 < tpbsd> it's  a truism tat as survival gets easier, our brains shrink in size, not the opposite
2025-05-10T02:04:36 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, Ive only just rejoined a heap of irc channels to see if my impression that the world has shrunk since the 2019's is accurate
2025-05-10T02:05:48 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, Ive been on a journey of self education since 2019, when I was a heavy irc user and most irc embedded channels were overflowing
2025-05-10T02:06:04 < tomeaton17> the dead internet theory is real
2025-05-10T02:06:13 < tpbsd> it is!
2025-05-10T02:06:36 < tomeaton17> Unfortunately I missed he irc glory days but I am happy to enjoy the warming glow of the dying embers
2025-05-10T02:07:06 < tpbsd> it seems 'the snap' is real, not just a film device used in 'the avengers'
2025-05-10T02:08:12 < tpbsd> there has been a massive reduction in enthusiastic hardware people it seems, at least on irc
2025-05-10T02:08:38 < tomeaton17> it is just people on irc in general
2025-05-10T02:08:52 < tpbsd> Arduino for instance is really just a front end for ecommerce in embedded
2025-05-10T02:09:00 < tomeaton17> Anyway I must go to sleep. goodnight tpbsd 
2025-05-10T02:09:17 < tpbsd> night, tomeaton17 a pleasure chatting with you
2025-05-10T02:14:37 < qyx> tpbsd: I am not using z80 in 2025
2025-05-10T02:14:47 < qyx> jbo: o/
2025-05-10T02:15:41 < tpbsd> qyx, nor I, I last made thousands of devices using the Z80 around 1984
2025-05-10T02:33:15 < qyx> those were probably much better times wrt. computer science
2025-05-10T02:33:28 < qyx> I started in 200
2025-05-10T02:34:27 < qyx> 2000
2025-05-10T02:35:58 < tpbsd> the 1980's were packed with excitement, everything in embedded was new with new kinds of computers being available every few weeks it seemed
2025-05-10T02:36:35 < tpbsd> but right now is the most awesome embedded time in my opinion ie stm32
2025-05-10T02:37:42 < tpbsd> in the 1980's everything was incredibly expensive, it was all proprietary, there was no decent free software for embedded, no useful toolsets
2025-05-10T02:38:03 < tpbsd> it was exciting, but disjointed, all pioneering
2025-05-10T02:38:39 < tpbsd> qyx, lol, 2000 means a quarter of a century experience already !
2025-05-10T02:39:44 < tpbsd> if anyone is wondering ... this is my website: https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/index.html
2025-05-10T02:40:39 < tpbsd> and this one: https://mecrisp-across-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/index.html
2025-05-10T02:47:03 < nomorekaki> impressive
2025-05-10T02:56:43 < tpbsd> nomorekaki, Mecrisp-Across ?
2025-05-10T02:57:18 < nomorekaki> actually the website.. first one
2025-05-10T02:58:05 < tpbsd> oh, that grew from a collection of my notes in Sphinx.py when I started learning Forth from 2014
2025-05-10T02:58:52 < tpbsd> Mecrisp-Stellaris was designed by Matthias Koch and I'm just a electronics tech
2025-05-10T03:00:15 < tpbsd> (retired)
2025-05-10T03:03:23 < nomorekaki> oh I thought you made that thing too
2025-05-10T03:03:53 < tpbsd> no way!
2025-05-10T03:04:13 < nomorekaki> it's weird
2025-05-10T03:04:13 < tpbsd> that would be very impressive indeed!
2025-05-10T03:05:08 < tpbsd> but Im not a programmer, and a gifted programmer is needed to create a great embedded Forth
2025-05-10T03:05:50 < tpbsd> Matthias doesnt even use a SCM
2025-05-10T03:07:12 < tpbsd> his website is https://mecrisp.sourceforge.net/
2025-05-10T03:08:27 < tpbsd> sadly he has EOL'd Mecrisp-Stellaris as he mainly does FPGA in aerospace now
2025-05-10T03:08:47 < qyx> yeah half a centurh but I think the only relevant experience spans maybe 10-15y to the past
2025-05-10T03:09:14 < qyx> 68hc11 or 8051 experience isn't anything directly usable today
2025-05-10T03:09:40 < qyx> *quarter a century sorry
2025-05-10T03:09:44 < tpbsd> yeah, and it's all moving so fast now
2025-05-10T03:11:06 < tpbsd> and as Arduino made everyone a 'embedded designer', AI is making everyone a 'coder' ;-)
2025-05-10T03:13:02 < tpbsd> AI is the Arduino of this age
2025-05-10T03:24:45 < jbo> +1
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2025-05-10T08:22:10 < tpbsd> finally!  svd2db-v3.zip is OUT ! freely downloadable from https://sourceforge.net/projects/mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc/files/svd2db-v3.zip/download it's under 300KB
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2025-05-10T10:43:26 < srk> tpbsd: cool, I wrote a similar thingie https://github.com/DistRap/emhell/
2025-05-10T10:44:58 < tpbsd> srk, wow! i beat you by a year or so tho :)
2025-05-10T10:45:37 < tpbsd> srk, seriously, your tool is impressive, it's the only other one I've seen and didnt know about it until you just told me
2025-05-10T10:46:47 < srk> :))
2025-05-10T10:47:24 < tpbsd> I initially was inspired by ralph doering around 11 years ago https://github.com/ralfdoering/cmsis-svd-fth
2025-05-10T10:48:59 < tpbsd> and I set off to make a Forth source code parser that intercepts the source on the way to the mcu for compiling, it swaps labels for absolute addresses without changing the source, I called it "plang" for 'peripheral language'
2025-05-10T10:49:59 < tpbsd> in 2022, I decided to make svd2db for all the low level 'at the metal' coders who just wanted a headers type facility they could look up
2025-05-10T10:51:06 < srk> neat!
2025-05-10T10:54:07 < tpbsd> oh wait! you read the registers current value thru the DEBUG peripheral ?
2025-05-10T10:56:45 < srk> nn, either via openocd or gdb
2025-05-10T10:56:53 < tpbsd> srk, hey how do you derive the bitfield labels and print them! thats way more advanced than me
2025-05-10T10:57:09 < tpbsd> I mean I know theyre in the svd
2025-05-10T10:57:37 < tpbsd> but some are really long names, youd have to print then horizontally ?
2025-05-10T10:59:01 < tpbsd> srk, I was also fetching current register values via SWD but using SWDCOM and Forth 
2025-05-10T10:59:16 < tpbsd> and doing stuff like this
2025-05-10T10:59:21 < tpbsd> https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/_images/rcc_cr-svd2forth.jpg
2025-05-10T11:00:00 < tpbsd> but I was making the legends by hand with VIM, rather slow even with vertical editing
2025-05-10T11:04:48 < srk> looks cool. I use a library that draws the pretty boxes. decoding is using fields offset and width, shifting and masking the register value
2025-05-10T11:05:45 < tpbsd> what about long names ?
2025-05-10T11:07:13 < srk> it would wrap the table into two
2025-05-10T11:07:18 < srk> no vertical printing
2025-05-10T11:07:59 < tpbsd> yeah
2025-05-10T11:09:43 < srk> you can see an example in the asciicast at the bottom of the page, if there are too many fields to fit it will draw MSB and LSB tables
2025-05-10T11:10:26 < tpbsd> ah ok
2025-05-10T11:10:51 < tpbsd> working thru openocd etc is really clever
2025-05-10T11:11:42 < tpbsd> I have something similar in mind  but using Forth and SWD directly
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2025-05-10T11:15:03 < tpbsd> srk, take a look at https://mecrisp-across-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/index.html for a clever system that accesses jtag directly ?
2025-05-10T11:17:50 < srk> hmm :) pretty cool actually
2025-05-10T11:18:24 < srk> skimmed your pages a bit, will dig in more bit later. now I'm gonna plant some chillis :D
2025-05-10T11:18:37 < tpbsd> no problemo thanks for the link!
2025-05-10T11:18:38 < srk> I like the minimalism
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2025-05-10T15:13:46 < tpbsd> srk, wow again, hgdb is so great! Ive just had time to watch the video and you've done something Ive wanted to do for years !
2025-05-10T15:23:05 < tpbsd> srk, I'm just going to have to build hgdb for the fun of trying it out :)
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2025-05-10T21:15:54 < jbo> is anybody having fun today?
2025-05-10T21:17:03 < Steffanx> yes
2025-05-10T21:47:54 < fenugrec> not yet, still waiting, 9h left in the day
2025-05-10T22:21:46 < Steffanx> And now?
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2025-05-11T14:56:13 < Laurenceb_> https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGqqDWs6XAAArSK6.jpg
2025-05-11T15:03:30 < jbo> > Page not found
2025-05-11T15:06:45 < Laurenceb_> works 4 me
2025-05-11T15:15:51 < Laurenceb_> now I have Ye stuck in my head... :S
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2025-05-11T15:39:17 < Steffanx> Worksonmymachine.pro
2025-05-11T15:40:42 < Laurenceb_> >song of the summer
2025-05-11T15:40:44 < Laurenceb_> keeekkk
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2025-05-11T15:49:08 < Steffanx> Bye.
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2025-05-12T05:31:16 < tpbsd> oh, this is good, I now have a design to add row labels to incoming register data from a STM32 mcu running Forth, thanks to Claude-3.7-Sonnet
2025-05-12T05:32:25 < tpbsd> the row labels are supplied at the PC side in the SWDCOM swd terminal, no data has to me saved in the MCU flash, because there isnt any to spare for a start
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2025-05-12T08:32:25 < jpa-> tpbsd: yet another rblog / smolt ;)
2025-05-12T08:36:00 < tpbsd> jpa-, ?
2025-05-12T08:50:03 < jpa-> https://github.com/zyp/smolt
2025-05-12T09:00:13 < tpbsd> jpa-, ahh! I'm old and slow to catch on!
2025-05-12T09:00:49 < tpbsd> jpa-, with Mecrisp-Stellaris Forth we have a fairly unique way to do that
2025-05-12T09:02:20 < tpbsd> jpa-, we use SWD via the stlink API as a terminal from the pc host to the mcu running Mecrisp-Stellaris. the pc and the mcu share a 255 char buffer and we can print to the pc in just a couple of mcu clock cycles
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2025-05-12T09:02:58 < tpbsd> it was designed by Crest and in named SWDCOM
2025-05-12T09:03:50 < tpbsd> https://github.com/Crest/swdcom
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2025-05-12T09:41:38 < zyp> sounds like RTT
2025-05-12T09:43:47 < tpbsd> it's similar, Im not the designer and don't know much about it. I just use it every day
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2025-05-12T11:52:50 < qyx> I can't see any code in the repo
2025-05-12T11:57:34 < fentyl> ah, my new pendsv wrapper is bulletproof, but breaks GDB
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2025-05-12T12:26:29 < karlp> a broken clock is right twice a day....
2025-05-12T12:41:44 < fentyl> not these
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2025-05-12T14:33:33 < tpbsd> hahah, now I have made both a svd2db and a Fossil SCM plugin for Neovim ! Here is a pic where they are both relating to Forth source on a STM32F051 : https://sourceforge.net/projects/mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc/files/fossil-svd2db-nvim-plugins.png
2025-05-12T14:56:42 < karlp> niches for niches for niches.
2025-05-12T14:59:25 < tpbsd> it's a nitchy kind of world :)
2025-05-12T15:00:51 < jpa-> karlp: just hope you'll never end up maintaining it ;)
2025-05-12T15:01:40 < tpbsd> Ive been making niche stuff for decades
2025-05-12T15:01:56 < tpbsd> but very small user base, all floss
2025-05-12T15:02:45 < tpbsd> my most popular one is the 'Bluepill Diags' that has been downloaded over 10k times
2025-05-12T15:03:44 < tpbsd> https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/bluepill-diags-v1.640.html
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2025-05-12T15:42:26 < karlp> downloaded after a hackaday article, then saw it was forth and asked what they were doing with their lives ;)
2025-05-12T15:43:15 < karlp> I also found that whole discussion distateful, it was alway sso steeped in "illegal clones" and "luying" when they rarely were.
2025-05-12T15:43:35 < karlp> i saw cases of sanded chips, but I don't htink anyone ever actaully saw a stm32 logo on a fake part.
2025-05-12T15:44:04 < karlp> the whole "st is cheating you by keepin gthis extra flash away from you" is just a shit take as well.
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2025-05-12T15:45:29 < fentyl> "this extra flash" refers one disabled while binning?
2025-05-12T15:46:21 < karlp> presumably, but "it wrote once in my test 0program, so st is ripping me off"
2025-05-12T15:50:05 < fentyl> good luck with that extent of testing
2025-05-12T15:55:04 < zyp> might be binning, might be artificial market segmentation
2025-05-12T15:57:05 < zyp> FPGA vendors seems to have this habit of selling the same die as several models with different number of logic resources, and only having the toolchain enforce the artificial limits
2025-05-12T15:57:23 < zyp> AFAIK both lattice and xilinx does it
2025-05-12T15:59:11 < zyp> (and in the FPGA case it's definitely not binning, it's not fixed which resources it's keeping you from using)
2025-05-12T16:02:10 < fentyl> I'd assume that flash is a more troublesome part of the chip to manufacture due to properties of memory cells and thus defects can be present there
2025-05-12T16:02:32 < fentyl> SRAM is just a flip-flop, so there physical binning probably makes less sense and would make things more expensive
2025-05-12T16:02:37 < zyp> yeah, and flash is easy to remap
2025-05-12T16:02:54 < zyp> just a matter of flipping a couple of address bits
2025-05-12T16:04:34 < fentyl> ok, GDB is confused no matter what. it doesn't know how to deal with my naked function
2025-05-12T16:08:16 < invzim> anyone got experience moving labs, like scope, sig gen, various soldering equipment, dmms, psus etc etc?
2025-05-12T16:08:53 < invzim> the amount of 'stuff' I've accumulated is a little scary :)
2025-05-12T16:08:56 < zyp> invzim, what are you thinking?
2025-05-12T16:09:04 < invzim> relocation
2025-05-12T16:09:23 < zyp> pack it and bring it?
2025-05-12T16:09:32 < invzim> saying 'Morna, Jonas' - heading to Malaysia
2025-05-12T16:09:41 < zyp> oh, haha
2025-05-12T16:10:23 < zyp> that's more of a «pack it and send it» case, unless you just sell it
2025-05-12T16:13:20 < karlp> what does "morna, jonas" mean?
2025-05-12T16:13:30 < invzim> Have to check with a moving company, flight cases like musicians have would be nice but not really cost effective, cardboard boxes is probably meh - so something inbetween
2025-05-12T16:13:43 < karlp> invzim: aandrew moved a whole heap of shit not too long ago
2025-05-12T16:13:48 < karlp> aandrew: ^^
2025-05-12T16:14:02 < invzim> karlp: it's a norwegian thing :)
2025-05-12T16:14:10 < karlp> flight cases are great if you're doing it repeatedly,
2025-05-12T16:14:19 < karlp> otherwise just abuse bubble wrap/packing beads
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2025-05-12T16:20:21 < zyp> karlp, it's a reference to the 2013 election in norway, where the leader of one of the opposition parties went on stage and shouted «Morna, Jens!» (Bye, Jens!) after he (Jens Stoltenberg) failed to get reelected as prime minister
2025-05-12T16:20:50 < zyp> and our current prime minister is named Jonas… :)
2025-05-12T16:21:45 < zyp> invzim, most of the equipment is probably not very fragile
2025-05-12T16:23:07 < zyp> when I'm moving my scope, I'm mostly just trying to keep the screen from getting scratched
2025-05-12T16:34:03 < qyx> the hell $work guy is complaining he can't select infill percentage for SLS at jlc3dp
2025-05-12T16:35:59 < zyp> wat
2025-05-12T16:36:13 < zyp> infill percentage for SLS is always 100%
2025-05-12T16:37:01 < qyx> yeah that's inherent to the technology
2025-05-12T16:37:07 < zyp> even if you leave it unsintered, any cavities will be filled with powder
2025-05-12T16:38:31 < qyx> the same for MJF
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2025-05-12T16:45:27 < nohit> how can i compile openocd as deliverable package (for lack of a better term) like these https://github.com/espressif/openocd-esp32/releases 
2025-05-12T16:45:41 < nohit> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/D8H8hTD2/openocd.png
2025-05-12T16:47:09 < nohit> PaulFertser: can you share the script you use to build openocd github releases ?
2025-05-12T16:48:01 < qyx> I guess it is directly on github?
2025-05-12T16:48:46 < specing> CI?
2025-05-12T16:49:00 < qyx> https://github.com/openocd-org/openocd/blob/master/.github/workflows/snapshot.yml
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2025-05-12T16:51:04 < nohit> thanks
2025-05-12T16:56:06 < nohit> it seems it is cross-build.sh that does the job
2025-05-12T16:56:49 < nohit> i would like to do this on windows
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2025-05-12T17:49:38 < PaulFertser> nohit: hey, yes, it's just the github workflow and it's not really an "official release".
2025-05-12T17:50:14 < nohit> alright
2025-05-12T17:50:18 < PaulFertser> nohit: that shell script is doing the right thing for cross-building. You can use a standard OS to cross-build for windows.
2025-05-12T17:50:30 < PaulFertser> nohit: or you can install MSYS2 on windows and compile natively.
2025-05-12T17:51:25 < nohit> i just installed MSYS2, but i want a deliverable package like that
2025-05-12T17:51:40 < nohit> i do not want to install it with "make install"
2025-05-12T17:52:21 < nohit> but i guess i can use that shell script with MSYS2
2025-05-12T17:52:29 < jbo> making deliverable packages with msys2 is a pain unless you expect the receiving end to have msys2 up and running (in which case you still need to make sure they have all the packages installed they'll need to run it)
2025-05-12T17:54:54 < PaulFertser> nohit: are you sure you want to distribute your own GPL'd packages? I mean if you have something cool please try to send upstream so that everybody would get it via regular software distribution channels.
2025-05-12T17:54:59 < PaulFertser> Hey jbo !
2025-05-12T17:55:16 < jbo> hey! how are things going? :)
2025-05-12T17:56:05 < fentyl> msys2 ~= mingw-w64?
2025-05-12T17:56:12 < PaulFertser> cross-build.sh doesn't really package anything though, you can see in that yml file how the results are collected together and packed later.
2025-05-12T17:56:27 < PaulFertser> fentyl: not really, it's much more complicated.
2025-05-12T17:56:38 < jbo> fentyl, it's a nightmare.
2025-05-12T17:56:40 < PaulFertser> fentyl: it uses that mingw32-w64 toolchain though
2025-05-12T17:56:47 < jbo> well, it can.
2025-05-12T17:56:52 < jbo> things get tricky quickly tbh
2025-05-12T17:56:58 < jbo> at least in real-world-scenarios
2025-05-12T17:57:04 < fentyl> because mingw-w64 itself builds against msvcrt.dll, so that's pretty packageable
2025-05-12T17:57:11 < PaulFertser> fentyl: but it allows building both native software and software that depends on msys2 (like Cygwin).
2025-05-12T17:57:24 < fentyl> and it can be tweaked to link against visual C++ runtime libraries
2025-05-12T18:01:48 < PaulFertser> jbo: it's OK but I had my push bike stolen few days ago in the middle of the day even though it was secured with a cable :/
2025-05-12T18:02:02 < jbo> PaulFertser, that sucks, I'm sorry to hear that :/
2025-05-12T18:02:20 < PaulFertser> Well, now I know and I bought a relatively heavy kryptonite chain.
2025-05-12T18:02:20 < jbo> any help from the local authorities?
2025-05-12T18:02:38 < fentyl> PaulFertser: were you in Amsterdam?
2025-05-12T18:02:40 < jbo> ah, I think that's what my bike buddy uses too
2025-05-12T18:02:45 < PaulFertser> No, I didn't even try because everybody says tha's a waste of time.
2025-05-12T18:02:51 < PaulFertser> fentyl: South Tel Aviv.
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2025-05-12T19:32:24 < jpa-> http://up-cat.net/p/339bc6e4   AI has finally reached my level of programming skills
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2025-05-12T19:51:34 < fenugrec> jpa- almost triggering a segfault in the chatbot there, really close to infinite recursion
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2025-05-12T20:04:02 < qyx> jpa-: lol which one is that
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2025-05-12T20:04:54 < jpa-> qyx: qwen (the log is from someone on another channel)
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2025-05-12T21:13:16 < Steffanx> We have to share you with another channel jpa- ?!?!
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2025-05-12T23:29:25 < Laurenceb_> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1922007886076497920/vid/avc1/640x360/WrjPwIR-7FuMNHui.mp4
2025-05-12T23:30:22 < Laurenceb_> teh britbong
2025-05-12T23:31:25 < Laurenceb_> >Imagine having these low energy mandem as your padmates brudda, allow it, mans on dis typa ting u get me
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2025-05-12T23:33:25 < Laurenceb_> >grok, show me a typical britbong man
2025-05-12T23:53:22 < Laurenceb_> https://nitter.poast.org/pic/media%2FGqvEwThWQAATIjf.jpg%3Fname%3Dsmall%26format%3Dwebp
2025-05-12T23:54:51 < specing> lolrencer confirmed
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2025-05-13T00:04:12 < Laurenceb_> it is a kind of catchy beat but the lyrics are questionable
2025-05-13T00:04:30 < Laurenceb_> I think drug dealing is probably haram
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2025-05-13T00:39:18 < Laurenceb_> https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGmw5c6ibgAADeDV.jpg
2025-05-13T00:44:50 < Laurenceb_> feel old yet? https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGqxTigoXMAEn9CM.jpg
2025-05-13T00:44:55 < Laurenceb_> he has aged so much
2025-05-13T00:47:03 < Laurenceb_> >After the feds forced him to step down because of Charlottesville, he reincarnated into UK's PM to keep on his struggle
2025-05-13T00:54:26 < mawk> >Page not found
2025-05-13T00:54:32 < Steffanx> Good night Laurenceb_ 
2025-05-13T00:54:48 < Steffanx> Work fine mawk. 
2025-05-13T00:55:03 < Steffanx> Works*
2025-05-13T00:55:11 < mawk> liar
2025-05-13T00:55:46 < Steffanx> Get that peanut butter out of your eyes
2025-05-13T00:56:24 < Laurenceb_> press F5, nitter gitches often
2025-05-13T00:56:26 < Laurenceb_> blame elon
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2025-05-13T01:08:13 < Laurenceb_> https://nitter.poast.org/pic/orig/media%2FGqWr4GBWwAAV-Vs.jpg
2025-05-13T01:12:12 < Laurenceb_> hol up  https://genius.com/Flames-uk-first-day-out-lyrics
2025-05-13T01:12:22 < Laurenceb_> >So I didn't spud them
2025-05-13T01:12:25 < Laurenceb_> no homo
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2025-05-13T11:14:10 < jbo> good morning happy campers
2025-05-13T11:17:40 < tpbsd> morning jbo!
2025-05-13T11:17:52 < jbo> \o/
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2025-05-13T11:55:34 < Steffanx> Is it a good morning? Do you wish us a good morning? Do you want it to be a good morning? What is it jbo?
2025-05-13T11:57:09 < jbo> hopefully all of these options
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2025-05-13T12:07:52 < tomeaton17> UK immigration whitepaper is an interesting read...
2025-05-13T12:08:28 < fentyl> brexit 2.0?
2025-05-13T12:09:31 < tomeaton17> didnt go as far as to suggest leaving the echr
2025-05-13T12:09:50 < tomeaton17> but moving minimum time from 5 to 10 years for ilr is a big change
2025-05-13T12:10:36 < fentyl> more like, brexit shown that UK has a shortage of low qualified labor and this whitepaper makes getting it even harder
2025-05-13T12:14:57 < tomeaton17> There is a shortage of companies willing to pay the going rate for british low skilled workers
2025-05-13T12:16:49 < tpbsd> gahh just spent a hour chasing a missing "<" !
2025-05-13T12:22:05 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: are you running YCM on your neovim setup?
2025-05-13T12:23:35 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, no I dont think so, but I have a lua LSP
2025-05-13T12:23:46 < tpbsd> and I was doing Lua
2025-05-13T12:24:13 < tpbsd> it was trying to tell me what was wrong but I couldnt make the jump
2025-05-13T12:24:28 < fentyl> tomeaton17: more like end consumers are not very keen to pay it
2025-05-13T12:24:45 < tpbsd> eventually I realised it was staring me in the face all along <doh>
2025-05-13T12:25:15 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: ah okay. I spent a long time getting my neovim setup right for the stm32 toolchain years ago. I lost that machine and can't be bothered to go through the setup again.
2025-05-13T12:25:39 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, hahah, I understand
2025-05-13T12:26:48 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, i make my own tooling as I'm a Forth user and there are only 42 of us left in the world ... they burnt the rest ;-)
2025-05-13T12:27:34 < tpbsd> hence my just finished svd2db plugin for nvim
2025-05-13T12:28:25 < tomeaton17> fentyl: the same thing really, the board don't want to reduce profits and hire locally which is totally reasonable in a business sense.
2025-05-13T12:28:50 < tomeaton17> Ricing my old arch linux setup was fun at the time, too much hassle now I just need something that works
2025-05-13T12:29:54 < tpbsd> there is nothing that does what I need, so I design my own, Im old and retired, no rush
2025-05-13T12:31:41 < tpbsd> re low skilled workers ? is there really any excuse to not do self education these days ? I'd think that with free Ai everyone now has a unpaid tutor to help raise their skills ?
2025-05-13T12:32:08 < tpbsd> when I was a kid, there were only books, and they were rare and expensive
2025-05-13T12:33:41 < tpbsd> I was given a pristine 1954 edition of the "Amateur Radio Relay League" when I was 9 years old, and that set me on a lifelong career in electronics
2025-05-13T12:33:41 < tomeaton17> Well if everyone raises their skills who does the low skilled work haha
2025-05-13T12:34:12 < tomeaton17> Crimping without the proper crimp tool is such a pain. I need to lobby the boss for a technician
2025-05-13T12:34:17 < tpbsd> those too lazy to self educate ?
2025-05-13T12:35:26 < tpbsd> hmm, I should donate a old nvidia card and pc to my local library and set it up running Qwen-2.5 coder AI
2025-05-13T12:36:37 < tomeaton17> Interesting I might set that up and give it a try
2025-05-13T12:36:42 < tpbsd> that way they wont have to destroy their brains trying to learn thru Google
2025-05-13T12:37:04 < tpbsd> I have it here on this pc
2025-05-13T12:38:05 < tpbsd> but I have a RTX3060 and low end Ryzen cpu with 64GB ram and it works fine, the bigger the model the slower it is, but still 100% stable
2025-05-13T12:38:41 < tpbsd> Ive run 70b deepseek on it no problem, but it's slow
2025-05-13T12:39:16 < tpbsd> I just pretend Im compiling openoffice on a 386 again ;-)
2025-05-13T12:44:08 < nohit> to me books are still the way to go
2025-05-13T12:58:10 < tomeaton17> new jbc iron is on the way, very excited
2025-05-13T13:01:13 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, they do make some great gear, really fine handpieces etc
2025-05-13T13:01:55 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, got any high silver content solder ? Thats all I use now, resin cored and it's really fine
2025-05-13T13:02:16 < qyx> I prefer gallium
2025-05-13T13:02:29 < tpbsd> I do a lot of smt soldering and have a super fine tip for the bga pads
2025-05-13T13:03:16 < qyx> uh, for bga I use a 5 mm one
2025-05-13T13:03:57 < tpbsd> ie https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/_images/stm32l053-deadbug-bottom.jpg
2025-05-13T13:04:30 < karlp> if I use forth, will I be able to solder like that?
2025-05-13T13:04:42 < karlp> or is the willingness to do things like that the cause of using forth?
2025-05-13T13:05:09 < tomeaton17> lovely work
2025-05-13T13:05:24 < tpbsd> thats 0.2mm dia wire
2025-05-13T13:06:07 < tpbsd> and the limit of my handheld soldering under a microscope
2025-05-13T13:07:12 < tpbsd> I have a heap of MSp430 in the tiniest BGA about 1mmx2mm and Im working on a jig to solder leads to them
2025-05-13T13:08:20 < qyx> I am really confused now, I have read too many weird things on the last few lines 
2025-05-13T13:09:06 < qyx> I genuinely don't know anyone willingly using msp430 
2025-05-13T13:09:27 < tomeaton17> Ran out of 3% silver so currently on sn100e which is pretty rubbish. Need to order some more sac305. Have to use lead free at work unfortunately
2025-05-13T13:10:31 < karlp> yeah, the lead free really ruins the soundstage.
2025-05-13T13:11:28 < jpa-> i end up resorting back to leaded solder whenever i need to do anything idfficult
2025-05-13T13:11:29 < tpbsd> lead free so sucks to me
2025-05-13T13:15:33 < qyx> jpa-: why?
2025-05-13T13:15:49 < jpa-> because it feels so much easier to use
2025-05-13T13:16:08 < jpa-> less temperature needed and flux seems to work better
2025-05-13T13:16:15 < tpbsd> agreed
2025-05-13T13:16:29 < qyx> jpa-: for me bisn >> snpb
2025-05-13T13:16:35 < tpbsd> if you have extra silver it's even smoother and easier again
2025-05-13T13:16:35 < qyx> and is rohs3
2025-05-13T13:16:50 < qyx> but you need the right king of flux for that
2025-05-13T13:16:57 < qyx> *kind
2025-05-13T13:17:04 < jpa-> qyx: bisn works otherwise, but i haven't found nice thin solder of that (i guess it is too brittle?)
2025-05-13T13:17:08 < tomeaton17> it is the worst sadly
2025-05-13T13:17:13 < jbo> I like jpa-'s flux all over me
2025-05-13T13:17:52 < qyx> jpa-: true, 1 mm is probably the thinniest you can get
2025-05-13T13:18:14 < tomeaton17> it takes so long to solidify though 
2025-05-13T13:18:53 < jbo> not when I help him :>
2025-05-13T13:19:00 < qyx> but now I have a new hotplate
2025-05-13T13:19:05 < tpbsd> this is my favorite simple Forth MSP430 protyping method thesedays https://mecrisp-across-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/_images/pcb-round-pins-mcu2-315x.jpg
2025-05-13T13:19:11 < qyx> and ordered a sample of sac305 paste
2025-05-13T13:19:16 < qyx> let's see how it goes
2025-05-13T13:19:35 < tpbsd> I also use it for STM32 as I gave them in the same 32 in QFN's
2025-05-13T13:19:39 < jpa-> for something like soldering bodge wires to individual chip pins, i use 0.4 mm Sn62-Pb36-Ag2
2025-05-13T13:19:42 < tpbsd> gave = have
2025-05-13T13:20:43 < jpa-> using paste for rework is annoying to clean, because the tiny balls are so sticky and you can never be sure they've been washed well enough
2025-05-13T13:20:58 < jbo> alright, I'm not gonna touch that one.
2025-05-13T13:22:29 < tpbsd> jpa-, a decent cleaning machine is needed, we used to have a boiling freon dip tank for that use
2025-05-13T13:22:52 < jpa-> boiling freon.. i bet that's environmentally friendly :)
2025-05-13T13:23:25 < tomeaton17> you should see all of the tiktok videos of "professional" reworkers. They dump about a litre of solder paste onto the board and balls flying all over the place
2025-05-13T13:23:43 < tpbsd> it had heater coils in the base and refrigeration coils at the top which condensed the freon and it 'rained' back into the collector at the base
2025-05-13T13:23:58 < jbo> tpbsd, do you happen to have a picture of such a rig?
2025-05-13T13:24:04 < tpbsd> you couldnt smell the freon when it was in use
2025-05-13T13:24:26 < tpbsd> jbo, no, that was in 1990 at a commercial SMT assembly plant
2025-05-13T13:24:41 < jpa-> tomeaton17: probably ok if you then can dedicate the time to cleaning afterwards.. for quick protoing, it takes 5 seconds to solder a wire with leaded solder and then get back to what i was doing
2025-05-13T13:24:43 < jbo> ah, so it was "high volume", not "single boards for R&D"?
2025-05-13T13:24:54 < zyp> are there any diff tools that can compare the memory contents of e.g. elf or hex files?
2025-05-13T13:24:57 < tpbsd> but nothing cleaned pcbs like that machine, it was a pleasure to use
2025-05-13T13:25:03 < jbo> zyp, imhex
2025-05-13T13:25:07 < qyx> zyp: I wrote one
2025-05-13T13:25:10 < qyx> and forgot about it
2025-05-13T13:25:21 < jpa-> i have no problems using lead-free even for home reflow, it's rework that gets annoying
2025-05-13T13:25:32 < tomeaton17> jpa-: perhaps they clean it properly afterwards but often you can see the balls are still there
2025-05-13T13:25:37 < tpbsd> jbo, yeah, production gear, we had 3 PNP and one die bonder etc
2025-05-13T13:26:04 < tomeaton17> I think a lot of the content is supposed to be "satisfying" and not any meaningful rework
2025-05-13T13:26:58 < qyx> zyp: you can try and play with https://github.com/iqyx/plumcore/blob/develop/scripts/memdiff.py
2025-05-13T13:27:14 < qyx> it draws a colored grid of changed content
2025-05-13T13:27:26 < jbo> qyx, did imhex not work out for what you had to do?
2025-05-13T13:27:50 < jbo> https://docs.werwolv.net/imhex/views/diffing
2025-05-13T13:36:11 < zyp> hmm, imhex looks nice, but doesn't build cleanly
2025-05-13T13:36:39 < zyp> (no debian deb and the ubuntu deb had unmet deps)
2025-05-13T13:37:30 < qyx> jbo: my diff is a bit different, it draws the whole bin on a single screen
2025-05-13T13:37:41 < qyx> I was using it to compare what was changed in a flash/mem dump
2025-05-13T13:37:50 < jpa-> i would just objcopy to a binary and use binwalk -Wi
2025-05-13T13:37:59 < qyx> and not even that, it compares *if* anything changes
2025-05-13T13:38:15 < jbo> zyp, imhex is a bit of a pita to build tbh
2025-05-13T13:38:17 < qyx> jpa-: nah NIH
2025-05-13T13:38:27 < jbo> qyx, :D
2025-05-13T13:38:48 < jbo> zyp, aren't you a mac guy? can't you run the mac dmg?
2025-05-13T13:39:37 < zyp> I'm a debian guy at work
2025-05-13T13:39:44 < qyx> o/ \o
2025-05-13T13:40:16 < jbo> zyp, there's a flatpack (if debian can do that)
2025-05-13T13:41:13 < zyp> probably, but fuck that
2025-05-13T13:41:22 < zyp> okay, it built
2025-05-13T13:41:23 < qyx> I wouldn't touch that
2025-05-13T13:41:59 < machinehum> jbo: do you have a reballing kit
2025-05-13T13:42:10 < jpa-> appimage is the only sane one of the portable linux packages
2025-05-13T13:42:19 < jbo> machinehum, not yet
2025-05-13T13:42:21 < jpa-> flatpak and snap are terrible crap
2025-05-13T13:42:48 < machinehum> dern
2025-05-13T13:43:09 < tomeaton17> I am never letting mech eng spec connectors again. Actually they can if they do the crimping
2025-05-13T13:46:54 < qyx> what did they spec?
2025-05-13T13:56:09 < tomeaton17> Connectors where the hand crimp tool is obselete and can't bought, only the super expensive pneumatic one which we don't have
2025-05-13T13:56:59 < zyp> :)
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2025-05-13T13:59:46 < tomeaton17> Having to make do with a generic tool, only 500 more contacts to go 
2025-05-13T14:02:34 < jbo> glad to see that everybody is having an amazing day!
2025-05-13T14:06:17 < tomeaton17> You bet!
2025-05-13T14:10:31 < Steffanx> You too mr jbo 
2025-05-13T14:38:41 < qyx> ok the new hotplate has too high heat capacity
2025-05-13T14:39:15 < qyx> it is able to reach 175°C in about 4 minutes instead of 3
2025-05-13T14:39:31 < qyx> and 249°C in about 6-7 minutes instead of 210 seconds
2025-05-13T14:39:51 < qyx> but then it is unable to cool down, it stays at 249°C for the next 5 minutes which is too much
2025-05-13T14:40:02 < qyx> I need to use a fan to force air cooling
2025-05-13T14:40:36 < qyx> 15 minutes and the thing is still at 179°C
2025-05-13T14:40:51 < qyx> even with a fan
2025-05-13T14:41:07 < qyx> I guess I just need to remove the board after reflow and let the thing cool down for the next batch
2025-05-13T14:47:30 < machinehum> What hotplate did you get?
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2025-05-13T14:54:37 < qyx> https://eleshop.eu/atten-st-7800-hotplate.html
2025-05-13T14:57:10 < nohit> i wish eleshop would start selling a solder paste printer
2025-05-13T14:57:20 < nohit> its hard to get them in eu
2025-05-13T15:02:06 < Steffanx> ##stm32 is still waiting for dongs to finally share his wonderful great design
2025-05-13T15:03:00 < machinehum> noice
2025-05-13T15:03:39 < machinehum> Does anyone else use dold-mechatronik?
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2025-05-13T15:50:23 < tomeaton17> I am considering getting a reflow oven instead of a hotplate, seems you can pick one up for around £1k
2025-05-13T15:51:13 < Steffanx> If you have the 1k to spend, why not. 
2025-05-13T15:51:31 < Steffanx> Even if you only use it once. It's fine 😜
2025-05-13T15:51:38 < tomeaton17> Surely the boss won't mind
2025-05-13T15:51:48 < Steffanx> Oh for work
2025-05-13T15:56:19 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: I wish I had a spare personal 1k to chuck away
2025-05-13T15:58:03 < Steffanx> You don't? You're not a moneyed brit? (I'm sure about the costs of studying in the UK)
2025-05-13T15:59:10 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: very illiquid currently
2025-05-13T15:59:24 < tomeaton17> Steffanx: unlikely to pay off student loan for a while. 
2025-05-13T15:59:32 < tomeaton17> Especially masters cost
2025-05-13T16:01:31 < Steffanx> Imagine how bad it must be Dr. Blaxter :D
2025-05-13T16:02:19 < tomeaton17> His loan maybe on the cheaper rate depending on when he studied
2025-05-13T16:03:52 < Steffanx> Such "common wealth" 
2025-05-13T16:04:09 < Steffanx> Got to share the pain a bit more
2025-05-13T16:07:44 < tomeaton17> I am already sharing 40% I think that is enough
2025-05-13T16:10:13 < zyp> I have a reflow oven, it's not really worth it
2025-05-13T16:10:31 < zyp> mine is much cheaper than £1k though
2025-05-13T16:13:20 < tomeaton17> zyp: whats wrong with it?
2025-05-13T16:14:02 < zyp> it's not time/cost effective to assemble shit yourself
2025-05-13T16:15:56 < qyx> yes I am just discovering that hotair is equally effective as this shit I am doing now
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2025-05-13T16:17:07 < zyp> I can e.g. send out a set of production files today and have fully assembled boards on my desk in a week for pretty cheap
2025-05-13T16:17:27 < tomeaton17> zyp this is very true, jlc have got me covered in most cases. Or eurocircuits if it hits the fan and I need 3-4 day turnaround
2025-05-13T16:17:37 < zyp> exactly
2025-05-13T16:17:49 < qyx> for a one off it is no-go for me
2025-05-13T16:18:05 < qyx> because preparing bom and all manufacturing data is not worth the hassle for a 2 hour job to assemble a proto
2025-05-13T16:18:40 < qyx> for a proto I still have everything in my short-term memory and I am able to hand assemble it quickly
2025-05-13T16:18:40 < zyp> you're still gonna order the pcb, no?
2025-05-13T16:18:45 < qyx> yes
2025-05-13T16:18:53 < zyp> so what hassle?
2025-05-13T16:19:15 < qyx> the bom, mainly, and matching components with those the assembly house has
2025-05-13T16:19:27 < qyx> also, half of my components are specific
2025-05-13T16:19:46 < qyx> I would need to source/send them
2025-05-13T16:20:04 < qyx> I am not karlping components from jlc's basic parts, fuk that
2025-05-13T16:20:15 < zyp> are you making the components yourself?
2025-05-13T16:20:30 < zyp> (I mean, for greenpaks, that would kinda be the case)
2025-05-13T16:20:42 < qyx> no but for precise measurement shit I am selecting components by parameters and not by availability
2025-05-13T16:21:08 < tomeaton17> pcbway can source for you but charge a pretty big premium for the pleasure
2025-05-13T16:21:17 < qyx> eg. jlc has nothing except passives for the board I am just doing
2025-05-13T16:21:33 < qyx> not even the regulators because they are low noise
2025-05-13T16:21:39 < zyp> which regulators?
2025-05-13T16:21:54 < qyx> ldos and smps
2025-05-13T16:21:59 < qyx> you mean which exactly?
2025-05-13T16:22:01 < zyp> yes
2025-05-13T16:22:17 < qyx> lp5912, tps6282533, sn6505
2025-05-13T16:22:46 < zyp> looks stocked to me: https://jlcpcb.com/partdetail/TexasInstruments-LP5912_33DRVR/C524780
2025-05-13T16:22:57 < tomeaton17> https://jlcpcb.com/partdetail/TexasInstruments-TPS6282533DMQR/C3189971 looks stocked to me
2025-05-13T16:23:18 < qyx> definitely not in basic parts
2025-05-13T16:23:22 < zyp> also https://jlcpcb.com/partdetail/TexasInstruments-SN6505BDBVR/C74518
2025-05-13T16:23:27 < zyp> who cares about basic parts
2025-05-13T16:24:19 < qyx> if they are gonna reload every single component, it is not gonna be feasible?
2025-05-13T16:24:29 < zyp> huh?
2025-05-13T16:24:32 < tomeaton17> I think its only around $3 per extended part bom line
2025-05-13T16:24:42 < tomeaton17> the tooling fee
2025-05-13T16:24:49 < zyp> the only thing extended part means is that they add a $3 bom line fee
2025-05-13T16:25:46 < zyp> and yeah, that ends up being the major part of the NRE on one offs
2025-05-13T16:25:48 < tomeaton17> snap
2025-05-13T16:26:20 < zyp> but who cares, I'd rather just pay that than have to dick around with assembling myself
2025-05-13T16:27:41 < qyx> you are just not being adventurous
2025-05-13T16:29:39 < tomeaton17> kind of annoying you have to pay and wait an extra day for them to break off boards from fiducial edge panels, but it seems inconsistent for me because sometimes they do it for free
2025-05-13T16:32:38 < zyp> hmm, my last jlc order was around $260 total, probably around $60 in extended part fees
2025-05-13T16:32:55 < zyp> but the order included 7 different boards
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2025-05-13T16:34:44 < tomeaton17> mine was $500 for 30 2oz and 20 1oz, the 2oz fee was about $70
2025-05-13T16:43:56 < tomeaton17> zyp: do you use ddp when you get it shipped?
2025-05-13T16:45:05 < zyp> that was not an option last I checked, I usually use exw or whatever the «bill my DHL account» option becomes
2025-05-13T16:45:37 < tomeaton17> ah right
2025-05-13T16:45:59 < zyp> last I checked, my DHL rates were better than the ones they offered
2025-05-13T16:46:01 < tomeaton17> zyp: i have been doing the same but they haven't charged vat at all so far
2025-05-13T16:46:30 < zyp> I'm ordering as a vat registered entity, so it doesn't matter
2025-05-13T16:47:46 < tomeaton17> so am I, but we would still need to pay it and then claim it back
2025-05-13T16:48:48 < zyp> in norway, if you're vat registered, vat on imports is just filed for later settlement
2025-05-13T16:50:27 < zyp> so the way it works is I get shit for $1000, DHL reports that, and in my accounting I have to file that I got shit for $1000, owe $250 in VAT for it and claim a $250 VAT deduction for it
2025-05-13T16:51:21 < zyp> if I imported something that's not VAT deductible, I'd have to pay that during the regular VAT settlement
2025-05-13T16:51:51 < zyp> DHL doesn't touch the money, they just file the paperwork
2025-05-13T16:52:01 < zyp> (and still charge a fee for doing so)
2025-05-13T16:54:30 < jbo> qyx, do you still use ltspice or did you switch to $somethingElse?
2025-05-13T16:55:44 < tomeaton17> zyp: I think you have the choice for postponed vat accounting in the uk, don't think my company is using that for some reason
2025-05-13T16:57:11 < zyp> I think it became the default here a few years ago, but I'm uncertain of the details because that was the same time I got vat registered
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2025-05-13T17:00:09 < nohit> how can i pass the libusb path to openocd's ./configure ?
2025-05-13T17:00:26 < nohit> i'm trying to build in on MSYS2
2025-05-13T17:00:45 < nohit> this does not work https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-idf/en/stable/esp32/api-guides/jtag-debugging/building-openocd-windows.html
2025-05-13T17:01:05 < nohit> i get error on configure
2025-05-13T17:01:15 < nohit> configure: error: libusb-1.x is required for the ST-Link Programmer
2025-05-13T17:03:24 < jbo> what are you trying to innovate? are the official upstream bins not working out for you?
2025-05-13T17:04:01 < jbo> also, did you follow the step(s) in that manual specifically mentioning libusb?
2025-05-13T17:04:53 < nohit> i'm trying to build ST's fork of openocd on windows
2025-05-13T17:05:50 < jbo> out of personal interest: why does ST maintain a fork?
2025-05-13T17:05:57 < jbo> did they not upstream stuff?
2025-05-13T17:06:14 < nohit> probably because they use it with CubeIDE
2025-05-13T17:06:36 < nohit> and the release cycle of openocd does not work for them
2025-05-13T17:07:07 < jbo> i've been told that we should get 1.0.0 this year :D
2025-05-13T17:07:23 < nohit> great
2025-05-13T17:16:48 < nohit> it cannot find it
2025-05-13T17:16:57 < jbo> what can you not find?
2025-05-13T17:17:09 < nohit> libusb
2025-05-13T17:17:21 < nohit> i followed the instructions regarding libusb
2025-05-13T17:17:30 < jbo> https://github.com/libusb/libusb/releases/download/v1.0.22/libusb-1.0.22.7z
2025-05-13T17:18:52 < nohit> i have it in sources/ next to openocd, and i exported the CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS
2025-05-13T17:19:21 < nohit> but there must be some other mechanism to let configure know where it is
2025-05-13T17:20:09 < jbo> are you sure that sources/ is the place to be?
2025-05-13T17:21:02 < nohit> quite sure
2025-05-13T17:23:12 < jbo> did you check CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS after modifying them?
2025-05-13T17:23:36 < jbo> > Don't forget to copy libusb-1.0.dll and libwinpthread-1.dll into OOCD_INSTALLDIR/bin from ~/esp/openocd-esp32/src
2025-05-13T17:23:49 < nohit> i did 
2025-05-13T17:24:09 < nohit> that step is after the build
2025-05-13T17:24:26 < nohit> i cannot get to the building as configure fails
2025-05-13T17:26:12 < jbo> so it's saying something like...
2025-05-13T17:26:25 < jbo> checking for libusb-1.0 >= 1.0.16... no   ?
2025-05-13T17:27:21 < nohit> checking for libusb-1.0... no
2025-05-13T17:30:07 < jbo> okay, you made me check...
2025-05-13T17:30:10 < jbo> I think the LDFLAGS is wrong
2025-05-13T17:30:34 < jbo> try this instead:
2025-05-13T17:30:38 < jbo> export LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS -L${PWD}/libusb/MinGW32/dll"
2025-05-13T17:34:22 < jbo> nohit ^
2025-05-13T17:35:13 < nohit> did not work
2025-05-13T17:36:22 < jbo> show me LDFLAGS
2025-05-13T17:37:00 < nohit> $ echo "$LDFLAGS"
2025-05-13T17:37:00 < nohit>  -L/home/lmkla/sources/libusb/MinGW32/dll
2025-05-13T17:37:22 < jbo> and /home/lmkla/sources/libusb/MinGW32/dll has the two libusb libs in it?
2025-05-13T17:37:51 < nohit> yes
2025-05-13T17:37:59 < jbo> so at least that is correct now :)
2025-05-13T17:38:05 < jbo> did you ./boostrap again?
2025-05-13T17:38:10 < nohit> yes 
2025-05-13T17:38:41 < jbo> do I have to fire up a windows VM?
2025-05-13T17:41:52 < nohit> yes
2025-05-13T17:43:21 < jbo> ok
2025-05-13T17:49:49 < nohit> im gonna build this without libusb as a sanity check
2025-05-13T18:00:19 < nohit> it worked fine
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2025-05-13T18:11:28 < jbo> am I back?
2025-05-13T18:12:33 < qyx> I am not really sure
2025-05-13T18:17:29 < jbo> nohit
2025-05-13T18:18:05 < jbo> checking for libusb-1.0... yes
2025-05-13T18:18:15 < jbo> the problem is that autotools checks for pkg file which does not exist
2025-05-13T18:18:32 < jbo> so either generate it, write it by hand or tell autotools not to look for it.
2025-05-13T18:18:50 < jbo> then it worky worky :)
2025-05-13T18:19:51 < nohit> alright, thanks for the help
2025-05-13T18:20:08 < jbo> the last option is the easiest/quickest
2025-05-13T18:20:13 < jbo> before calling configure, just do this:
2025-05-13T18:20:41 < jbo> export LIBUSB1_CFLAGS="-I/home/jbo/esp/libusb/include"
2025-05-13T18:20:48 < jbo> export LIBUSB1_LIBS="-L/home/jbo/esp/libusb/MinGW32/dll"
2025-05-13T18:20:53 < jbo> adapt path as needed.
2025-05-13T18:21:20 < nohit> how do i tell autotools not to look for it
2025-05-13T18:21:28 < jbo> just what I showed.
2025-05-13T18:21:36 < nohit> ahg
2025-05-13T18:21:37 < nohit> ah
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2025-05-13T18:27:08 < jbo> did it do the thing?
2025-05-13T18:28:48 < nohit> yes
2025-05-13T18:28:52 < nohit> but i have another problem
2025-05-13T18:29:00 < jbo> \o/
2025-05-13T18:29:06 < jbo> better tell Steffanx that I'm being helpful
2025-05-13T18:31:28 < nohit> yes, now it works, thanks
2025-05-13T18:32:14 < nohit> can you test if static linking works?
2025-05-13T18:32:21 < nohit> :)
2025-05-13T18:32:28 < nohit> i need to close shop for today
2025-05-13T18:33:01 < nohit> hmm i guess that's for the cross-build.sh
2025-05-13T18:33:40 < nohit> okay, im off, thanks again
2025-05-13T18:33:55 < jbo> welcome
2025-05-13T19:02:25 < Steffanx> I'm not the one you should tell jbo 
2025-05-13T19:02:47 < Steffanx> God is the one. 
2025-05-13T19:03:03 < Steffanx> You'll be judged one day 
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2025-05-13T19:05:35 < qyx> I am not even expecting to end in the heaven
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2025-05-13T20:31:19 < Steffanx> Bitmask will. He's a saint
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2025-05-13T20:33:58 < Steffanx> Lol
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2025-05-13T21:38:06 < fentyl> stairway to heaven.mp3
2025-05-13T21:40:59 < qyx> he better gets an offline navigation
2025-05-13T21:41:45 < qyx> which reminds me
2025-05-13T21:42:19 < qyx> what was that bird song from Steffan's-land band
2025-05-13T21:44:09 < qyx> oh
2025-05-13T21:44:21  * qyx @ The Gathering - Nighttime Birds
2025-05-13T21:50:28 < Steffanx> Such old
2025-05-13T21:52:48 < qyx> I haven't listened it since 2009 or so
2025-05-13T21:52:57 < qyx> and it was already old at that time
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2025-05-14T01:24:19 < tomeaton17> evening
2025-05-14T01:24:35 < tomeaton17> the boss approved the jbc iron
2025-05-14T01:24:37 < tomeaton17> happy days
2025-05-14T01:24:50 < tpbsd> awesome!
2025-05-14T01:25:07 < tpbsd> outstanding soldering equipment
2025-05-14T01:26:15 < tpbsd> of course the quality of soldering gear is to a certain extent determined by the size of the soldering iron tips they have
2025-05-14T01:26:32 < tomeaton17> its true. We currently have a metcal gt120. The tips are shit and oxide in seconds. I have tried higher end metcal in the past and they are actually pretty good. But I think that I prefer the JBC ecosystem
2025-05-14T01:27:40 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: and the way the tips are heated. JBC cartridges directly heat the tip, as opposed to the cheaper ones which have a separate heating element to the tip
2025-05-14T01:28:06 < tpbsd> for instance, I have a 0.4mm fine, low temperature tip for my TMT-9000 iron and I only use it on jobs like that BGA pic
2025-05-14T01:29:25 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, my thermaltronics uses RF to heat the tip, but I'm not mad about it's magnet curie temp regulation, or maybe it's just the initial tips I purchased
2025-05-14T01:29:49 < tomeaton17> I tend to only use chisel or 
2025-05-14T01:30:03 < tomeaton17> https://www.vtech-smt.co.uk/jbc-c245-748-tip-cartridge-0-6-mm-bevel-bent-bevel-diam-0-6-s1 mainly this type of tip for smt work
2025-05-14T01:30:17 < tpbsd> theyre all far too hot, probably from the early days of the 'lead free' craze
2025-05-14T01:30:28 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: metcal is also RF approach but the one we have is the crap entry version
2025-05-14T01:32:01 < tpbsd> looks like a good tip, I love the JBC handpieces, so beautiful !
2025-05-14T01:33:03 < tpbsd> I find when soldering BGA solder blobs directly the tip shape doesnt matter as long as it melts the solder easily
2025-05-14T01:33:24 < tomeaton17> Shame they are so expensive, but I don't have to pay I suppose. We have a lot of contractors at the current place and it is a challenge to make sure they use the equipment properly
2025-05-14T01:34:07 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: well with BGA the thermal mass will be so low you can reflow it with what ever. I work alot with 2-4oz boards which requires a decent amount of power to reflow
2025-05-14T01:34:08 < tpbsd> and to that end, high silver content solder and low tip temperature was a must for me. It's the synergy of all the components that result in a doable job
2025-05-14T01:34:42 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, ahh, heat sucking pcbs demand lots of heat, good point
2025-05-14T01:35:26 < tpbsd> hahaah, brings back memories of de laminated pcbs
2025-05-14T01:36:15 < tomeaton17> We could do with an IR preheater really, but the trouble is a lot of the components are very offset from the board, so it will end up cooking those instead of the copper
2025-05-14T01:36:52 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: delaminated as in intentionally??
2025-05-14T01:36:58 < tpbsd> I had a new client bring a prototype completed EMU in once to reflow solder. It had a massive heatsink that all the power components were screwed onto, then the pcb was fitted with placed but not soldered components
2025-05-14T01:37:35 < tpbsd> the first run thru our 'pizza oven' IR reflower at the usual settings had no effect at all
2025-05-14T01:37:55 < tpbsd> the massive heatsink was draining the heat away
2025-05-14T01:38:51 < tomeaton17> such is typically the case. The only reason we are soldering these things in house is because the AC/DC modules are £20 each and the assembly house were charging £40 each
2025-05-14T01:39:01 < tpbsd> I kept upping the temps on all 8 reflow sections until ultimately their prototype was destroyed with the multilayer pcb coming apart like wet corrugated cardboard
2025-05-14T01:39:42 < tomeaton17> I would have loved to have seen that.
2025-05-14T01:40:30 < tpbsd> the look on the faces of their young inexperienced engineers was one of great disappointment
2025-05-14T01:41:02 < tpbsd> but what can ya do ? they had no real experience in these things
2025-05-14T01:41:14 < tomeaton17> As a fellow young inexperienced engineer I very much enjoy catastrophic failures
2025-05-14T01:41:40 < tpbsd> I ran the technical dept and my life consisted of sorting out all the assembly issues as they arose
2025-05-14T01:42:16 < tpbsd> experience takes time, years and years, it cant be rushed
2025-05-14T01:42:45 < tpbsd> thats why the greyhairs leaving a company is a utter catastrophe
2025-05-14T01:42:49 < tomeaton17> I have been trying to move away from assembly/fabrication problems if I can. I prefer the actual engineering
2025-05-14T01:43:31 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: you should see the average demographic of UK defence companies, 80% graduates and the rest are 1 year away from retirement...
2025-05-14T01:43:43 < tpbsd> everyone has their own favorite area and should spend their life specializing in that area I think
2025-05-14T01:44:05 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, a disaster in the making by the sound
2025-05-14T01:45:11 < tpbsd> a company should be like a production line with beginners at the start, retirees at the end and all stages inbetween on the line
2025-05-14T01:45:35 < tpbsd> any break in that process is a disaster imho
2025-05-14T01:46:21 < tomeaton17> defence is the main graduate employer for engineers in the uk. The salary is awful so they realise they can do a lot better moving onto something
2025-05-14T01:46:35 < tomeaton17> Anyway I must go to sleep. Catch you later tpbsd 
2025-05-14T01:46:45 < tpbsd> and of course, new graduates are useless for a few years, we always gave them 'technicians' jobs so they received practical experience
2025-05-14T01:46:55 < tpbsd> catch ya tomeaton17 !
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2025-05-14T11:52:39 < tomeaton17> morning
2025-05-14T11:55:40 < Steffanx> Gooday sir
2025-05-14T12:22:44 < qyx> more like midday and I just ate a stroopwaffel
2025-05-14T12:36:10 < karlp> because it didn't qualify and awe're never going ot see it again, lets see belgiums throwback raver nation track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScupiVTosHU
2025-05-14T12:42:29 < tomeaton17> I forgot it was eurovision
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2025-05-14T13:12:46 < Steffanx> I hope you enjoyed the quality entry of Dutchland this year karlp 
2025-05-14T13:14:21 < fentyl> does anyone watch it?
2025-05-14T13:14:46 < Steffanx> Karl does.
2025-05-14T13:15:08 < qyx> every single year
2025-05-14T13:17:32 < Steffanx> You qyx?
2025-05-14T13:42:56 < tomeaton17> My partner is obsessed with it, ironic because she is Hungarian and they don't even enter
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2025-05-14T13:56:18 < qyx> hungarians are now our bestest friends, Fico <3 Orban
2025-05-14T13:57:15 < qyx> despite the extreme political (and general) rivality a few years ago
2025-05-14T13:57:42 < qyx> world is weird
2025-05-14T13:59:48 < tomeaton17> qyx I thought you always were with visegrad
2025-05-14T14:01:59 < fentyl> cool feature of politics is that you can be in the same union while bitching at each other
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2025-05-14T14:47:10 < karlp> Steffanx: it was ok, didn't suck as much as others, but not really my thing.
2025-05-14T14:47:23 < karlp> I sat on the couch between the kids so they wouldnt' fight and played sudoku...
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2025-05-14T17:55:37 < nohit> jbo: it still does not work
2025-05-14T17:55:44 < nohit> it fails at linking
2025-05-14T17:56:00 < nohit> ld.exe: src/.libs/libopenocd.a(libocdjtagdrivers_la-arm-jtag-ew.o):arm-jtag-ew.c:(.text+0x1998): undefined reference to `libusb_claim_interface'
2025-05-14T18:03:08 < karlp> windows sounds awesome.
2025-05-14T18:11:43 < nohit> i think the problem is more with the legacy non cross platform build tools that openocd uses
2025-05-14T18:13:25 < karlp> I'm sure replacing it with cmake and meson and ninja will make the libusb and zadig hell go away
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2025-05-14T19:06:38 < qyx> hows lava today karlp
2025-05-14T19:06:43 < qyx> grumpy much?
2025-05-14T19:08:43 < fentyl> putting cmake where makefiles were before would certainly piss off old farts
2025-05-14T19:08:46 < fentyl> plenty of them
2025-05-14T19:09:47 < Steffanx> Aren't you a semi-old fart fentyl ?
2025-05-14T19:10:43 < fentyl> oh, not really. i developed grumpiness at quite young age.
2025-05-14T19:12:29 < Steffanx> But most certainly 40+. Maybe 45+
2025-05-14T19:15:24 < fentyl> nope
2025-05-14T19:15:51 < Steffanx> Whoa. 
2025-05-14T19:15:52 < fentyl> i'm in late 30s
2025-05-14T19:16:08 < Steffanx> I'm surprised :o
2025-05-14T19:16:17 < fentyl> i told you. quite young age
2025-05-14T19:16:31 < Steffanx> Yeah..
2025-05-14T19:23:11 < qyx> late 30 can be 39 too
2025-05-14T19:27:08 < Steffanx> Yes sure
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2025-05-14T21:55:39 < tomeaton17> I am encouraged to here that late 30s is a young age
2025-05-14T21:55:49 < tomeaton17> I feel like the youngest irc user
2025-05-14T22:09:24 < tomeaton17> JBC sell the most specialised stuff
2025-05-14T22:10:08 < tomeaton17> Their automatic tip cleaner, is it really necessary even in a line environment? It takes 2 seconds to shove the tip into the brass/inox wool
2025-05-14T22:11:09 < qyx> idk, are 12 upholders in a premium class car really necessary?
2025-05-14T22:11:13 < qyx> *cup holders
2025-05-14T22:11:32 < qyx> because you usually drink one thing at a time
2025-05-14T22:12:04 < tomeaton17> why would a manager spend more on tools though I don't really understand that
2025-05-14T22:12:32 < tomeaton17> qyx: As long as there is a champagne fridge I am not complaining
2025-05-14T22:14:09 < qyx> so, if you pay additional money you want to see it
2025-05-14T22:14:23 < qyx> the thing has to weigh more, it must have more features, etc.
2025-05-14T22:14:33 < tomeaton17> I do kind of miss the consultancy environment, we had 6 GHz scopes out the wazoo expensed to the client and they never want them back
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2025-05-15T00:15:56 < Laurenceb_> https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1922533952020971520/vid/avc1/960x540/kXvEbN2Wg22_vPMB.mp4
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2025-05-15T00:19:03 < tomeaton17> A fleeting but impactful vist from Laurence
2025-05-15T00:19:38 < tomeaton17> His X, formally known as twitter, algorithm must be very similar to mine, except he is more brave to post it lol
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2025-05-15T01:23:47 < tomeaton17> Laurenceb_: do you have a bouncer
2025-05-15T01:23:49 < Laurenceb_> anyone have any ideas for how to control phase angle for a SCR based three phase rectifier?
2025-05-15T01:23:50 < Laurenceb_> no
2025-05-15T01:24:46  * Laurenceb_ is trying to move some old hardware to stm32 - three phase phase angle controlled SCR using pulse trains at a few kHz and rectifiing 50Hz
2025-05-15T01:25:05 < Laurenceb_> cant see an easy way to do this with stm32 timers but I may have missed something
2025-05-15T01:25:19 < tomeaton17> shame, I was saying that your X algorithm must be very similar to mine based on what you posted
2025-05-15T01:26:19 < Laurenceb_> lol
2025-05-15T01:30:33 < tomeaton17> do you have anything external for the zero crossing detection
2025-05-15T01:31:01 < Laurenceb_> I know when the zero crossing is as I control the generation (static convertor)
2025-05-15T01:32:49 < Laurenceb_> guess I could just throw timers at the problem - five timers, one for each phase, one to generate the trigger pulses (external and gates), and one to control when the three phase timers run
2025-05-15T01:33:05 < Laurenceb_> doh that wont work - cant slave three timers off a single master
2025-05-15T01:36:03 < Laurenceb_> ok I have a plan, it uses three DMA channels but should be ok...
2025-05-15T01:36:27 < tomeaton17> DMA always goes well
2025-05-15T01:36:31 < tomeaton17> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gq7QmCHXUAAjI-b?format=jpg&name=large
2025-05-15T01:36:39 < Laurenceb_> one timer overflowing at 50Hz has three compare units used to control phase
2025-05-15T01:38:08 < Laurenceb_> each compare unit is connected to trigger a DMA channel, this writes a series of two register values (buffer length is 2) to output control of a timer overlfowing at a few khz that generated the SCR trigger pulse train
2025-05-15T01:38:59 < Laurenceb_> by controlling the high freuquency timer using its registers, there should be no timing glitches from DMA timing errors
2025-05-15T01:39:57 < Laurenceb_> uses 3 capture compares on one timer, 3 dma channels, and three capture compares on a second timer, but most stm32 have way more hardware than that
2025-05-15T01:41:00 < Laurenceb_> and 3phase phase angle control is trivial - just write to the 3 compare registers of the first timer
2025-05-15T01:43:07 < Laurenceb_> right time to chill out and stop doing work, cya
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2025-05-15T12:28:03 < karlp> maybe it helps, who knows? https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf/blob/master/components/esp_eth/Kconfig#L107
2025-05-15T12:47:16 < srk> helps with what? :D
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2025-05-15T17:49:03 < jbo> hello
2025-05-15T17:52:30 < Steffanx> Welcome.
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2025-05-15T17:59:18 < tomeaton17> https://www.scotsman.com/community/scotlands-constitutional-future-under-scrutiny-as-legal-case-for-de-colonisation-set-to-be-unveiled-5130398
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2025-05-15T23:24:04 < tomeaton17> evening
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2025-05-15T23:43:02 < Steffanx> Gooday sir
2025-05-15T23:47:11 < jbo> HELLO tomeaton17 WELCOME TO THE PARTY
2025-05-15T23:47:32 < qyx> HELLO JOB
2025-05-15T23:47:49 < jbo> o/
2025-05-15T23:49:34 < Steffanx> Who's job?
2025-05-15T23:50:06 < jbo> jobbin' along
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2025-05-16T00:22:29 < qyx> hows innovation today
2025-05-16T00:23:30 < jbo> medium
2025-05-16T00:25:42 < specing> https://giphy.com/gifs/art-design-illustration-l3q2JnuGqWEEkOiVW
2025-05-16T00:27:51 < tomeaton17> its a school night can't party too hard
2025-05-16T00:31:38 < jbo> since when is school at night?
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2025-05-16T00:46:12 < Steffanx> Thanks for the pizza specing . As we all know it's always time for pizza 
2025-05-16T01:32:15 < qyx> so let's try to order some PCBA as zyp suggested
2025-05-16T01:32:20 < qyx> *from jlc
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2025-05-16T02:17:27 < qyx> this is a mess
2025-05-16T02:17:35 < qyx> half of the parts are rotated
2025-05-16T02:18:15 < qyx> how is that even possible
2025-05-16T02:19:03 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/yYC1f/Screenshot_2025-05-16_01-18-45.png
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2025-05-16T02:22:14 < qyx> nah 268 eur for 5 incomplete boards
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2025-05-16T02:32:59 < qyx> ok I guess I can live with that, the tool is moderately usable and I am able to adjust them
2025-05-16T02:49:31 < qyx> also 30 eur shipping, 2.5 kg
2025-05-16T02:50:08 < qyx> I wonder what weighs so much
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2025-05-16T09:14:48 < zyp> qyx, that happens when your footprint lib has a different default rotation than their component lib
2025-05-16T09:15:26 < zyp> common issue, not a big deal, IME they remember the corrections you do, so next time you order a board with similar parts, they get more of it initially correct
2025-05-16T09:19:16 < jpa-> also i think they do the usual PCBA stuff that if you don't correct orientations yourself, they'll try to do it themselves if they notice.. but it's not that rare to get chips wrong way around from other PCBAs either :D
2025-05-16T09:20:01 < fentyl> github for my creepy RTOS has this in list of referrers:  statics.teams.cdn.office.net 
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2025-05-16T10:20:24 < qyx> zyp: it doesn't remember even if I go step back to change a BOM line and then forward again
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2025-05-16T11:37:00 < karlp> where do you see github referral data?
2025-05-16T11:41:47 < mawk> https://docs.github.com/en/repositories/viewing-activity-and-data-for-your-repository/viewing-traffic-to-a-repository
2025-05-16T11:41:58 < mawk> in the "Insights" button apparently
2025-05-16T11:50:24 < tomeaton17> going to give XMSM0C1104S8YCJR a try when its in stock
2025-05-16T11:51:45 < zyp> hmm, fun
2025-05-16T11:52:48 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, nice, but small! I have some similar size in MSP430
2025-05-16T11:53:09 < tpbsd> mine are bga-16 I think
2025-05-16T11:53:54 < mawk> RUN: 87µA/MHz
2025-05-16T11:53:54 < mawk> STOP: 609µA at 4MHz, 311µA at 32kHz
2025-05-16T11:54:02 < mawk> what is STOP and why does it consume more than run mode
2025-05-16T11:54:46 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: 1.38 mm^2 apparently world's smallest mcu
2025-05-16T11:56:56 < zyp> mawk, sounds like different conditions, like STOP mode consumption with HSI enabled, and RUN mode consumption from MSI
2025-05-16T11:57:02 < tpbsd> yeah, mine are about that size iirc
2025-05-16T11:57:48 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, I have a plan to solder long legs to mine, I just have to machine the soldering jig
2025-05-16T11:58:18 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, then I'll encapsulate it like a old style transistor
2025-05-16T11:58:54 < tpbsd> mine have a decent amount of fram in them iirc
2025-05-16T11:59:20 < mawk> ah
2025-05-16T11:59:58 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: sounds like a fun project
2025-05-16T12:00:04 < tomeaton17> I wouldn't want to be doing that soldering
2025-05-16T12:00:26 < tpbsd> I wont be doing it manually, it will be a precision jig
2025-05-16T12:01:05 < tpbsd> Id *never* be able to solder those BGA by habd , theyre far too small
2025-05-16T12:01:12 < tomeaton17> ah yes I just saw that
2025-05-16T12:02:04 < tpbsd> but no problemo with a jig machined on my mill where I can keep to 0.001" accuracy
2025-05-16T12:02:27 < tomeaton17> is it cnc or manual with a dro?
2025-05-16T12:03:01 < tpbsd> Im going to machine a aluminium block to hold 16 silver plated very thin soft copper wires in a matrix thats the same as the chip BGA
2025-05-16T12:03:19 < tpbsd> it's manual with a dro only on the height
2025-05-16T12:03:30 < tpbsd> the rest are verniers
2025-05-16T12:04:33 < tpbsd> my idea is that the block is a guide for the wires and has a heater fitted for soldering temperature
2025-05-16T12:05:18 < tpbsd> it also clamps the wires and the weight of the assembly should lower the ends of the wires into the BGA soldder blobs 
2025-05-16T12:05:58 < tpbsd> plenty of liquid flux, and 200C ish should do it
2025-05-16T12:06:59 < tpbsd> my unsolved issue so far is how to clamp the wires in position once theyre at the right height out of the block
2025-05-16T12:08:57 < tpbsd> Im thinking of perhaps a block divided into halves after it's drilled, then the wires are inserted and heights are set, then the top of the block is shifted to one side by a few thou, thereby clamping the wires
2025-05-16T12:08:57 < zyp> mawk, it's a typo, STOP is 609µA at 24MHz, not 4MHz
2025-05-16T12:09:39 < zyp> and RUN is 2.08mA under the same conditions, and 2080/24 = 87µA/MHz
2025-05-16T12:09:42 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: I have never been good at mechanical stuff, sounds very interesting
2025-05-16T12:10:08 < zyp> mawk, ref. page 15: https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/mspm0c1104.pdf
2025-05-16T12:12:49 < zyp> I'm not sure how well that µA/MHz figure will actually scale with MHz, so it might not be overly useful
2025-05-16T12:13:11 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, it only needs practice usually
2025-05-16T12:21:09 < tpbsd> tomeaton17,  these are the ones I have https://www.arrow.com/en/products/msp430fr2633iyqwr/texas-instruments
2025-05-16T12:21:51 < tpbsd> I bought about 200 of them back at the start of covid when arrow were dumping them for $0.20 ea
2025-05-16T12:25:08 < tpbsd> I think theyre 2.25mm x 2.25mm in size
2025-05-16T12:25:20 < tpbsd> which is just stupidly small
2025-05-16T12:27:56 < qyx> so, ordering new DMM, Rigol DM3068 or DM858?
2025-05-16T12:28:42 < qyx> 699€ vs 439€
2025-05-16T12:28:48 < qyx> 6.5 digit vs 5.5 digit
2025-05-16T12:30:05 < qyx> 0.03% +-0.003% vs 0.015% +-0.004%
2025-05-16T12:30:37 < qyx> sorry 0.015% +-0.003% vs 0.03% +-0.004%
2025-05-16T12:32:50 < qyx> wait what the 3068 is 0.004% +-0.0025% after 1 year, so much more accurate
2025-05-16T12:40:14 < zyp> so it's a question of whether you want accuracy or a fancy display :p
2025-05-16T12:42:57 < qyx> and doom
2025-05-16T12:46:10 < qyx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECc2BdJzZfs
2025-05-16T12:54:59 < zyp> ah, rockchip based, fun
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2025-05-16T13:13:08 < tomeaton17> lol the jbc iron came but all of tips apart from the knife tip are on 2 week backorder
2025-05-16T13:17:27 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, ! thats just cruel!!
2025-05-16T13:18:09 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: hah it is quite a tease! I can see what I can do with just the knife
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2025-05-16T13:32:37 < zyp> which jbc model is it?
2025-05-16T13:33:50 < tomeaton17> zyp:  cd 2bqf
2025-05-16T13:34:26 < tomeaton17> I didn't bother with the newer soldering assistant version
2025-05-16T13:34:48 < zyp> ah, with a 245 handle
2025-05-16T13:36:11 < zyp> I don't think I've tried that, but I like the 210 and 115 handles
2025-05-16T13:36:56 < zyp> I'm too cheap to get a genuine one though, so I just have a clone :p
2025-05-16T13:40:20 < karlp> qyx: rotation is the next big thing to get sorted for pcb shits.
2025-05-16T13:46:50 < tomeaton17> I have heard a clone base and a real tip works quite well
2025-05-16T13:47:11 < tomeaton17> I am quite annoyed I didn't get a jbc hot air station, I got a weller one and its crap
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2025-05-16T14:04:27 < srk> new android based rigols are interesting
2025-05-16T14:05:24 < srk> took em a ~year to fix trigger on dho scope
2025-05-16T14:06:57 < srk> you can connect external screen and mouse which is neat
2025-05-16T14:07:59 < tpbsd> I'm still happy with my 1994 HP DSO that cost $4500 aud back then, sadly it has  inbuilt death sentence when the battry backed ram dies 
2025-05-16T14:08:22 < tpbsd> when it does i'll just get one of the new rigols
2025-05-16T14:11:49 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, I found a pic of my finest metcal tip: https://mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc.sourceforge.io/_images/STTC-545-800x.jpg
2025-05-16T14:14:56 < tpbsd> If you are young and know you’ll be doing electronics all your life, buy that awesome $10,000 scope now, (get a loan over 5 years like I did) and 40 years later it will have cost you only $250 a year.
2025-05-16T14:15:41 < tpbsd> and it will still be working and fantastic to use everytime for the next 40 years
2025-05-16T14:21:43 < srk> hehe, 4ch dso costs like $500 and it's pretty decent if you don't need more than 100MHz
2025-05-16T14:21:58 < qyx> I would not pay more than 500e as srk says
2025-05-16T14:22:16 < qyx> for 40 MHz bw I don't need a 10000 scope
2025-05-16T14:23:06 < zyp> I'm still happy with my rigol mso5k
2025-05-16T14:23:15 < zyp> well spent 800€
2025-05-16T14:23:37 < qyx> I still have a 17y old riglol I bought on uni
2025-05-16T14:23:44 < qyx> *lolwon, sorry
2025-05-16T14:23:58 < zyp> I still have my 17y old rigol as well
2025-05-16T14:24:34 < tomeaton17> tpbsd: looks in great shape. I am more of a chisel or bent bevel enjoyer
2025-05-16T14:24:58 < tpbsd> three things I didnt like about the rigol I bought for $1200 aud (then sold) were the slow boot up time, the LOUD fan and the horrible menu system
2025-05-16T14:25:06 < zyp> my old rigol is currently sitting at a desk at my office, for when I need a scope for a quick check that doesn't justify getting a better scope
2025-05-16T14:25:36 < tpbsd> tomeaton17, yeah me too, but I wanted the smallest I could get for the BGA's
2025-05-16T14:26:02 < tpbsd> zyp, but the Rigol color display was awesome
2025-05-16T14:26:24 < tomeaton17> keysight UXR1104A is pretty good features for the price
2025-05-16T14:26:49 < tpbsd> zyp, tho not as good as the old Tektronix color lcd shuttered CRT models, they were so crisp theyd fry your eyeballs !
2025-05-16T14:27:31 < tpbsd> you guys know 'boru' by any chance ?
2025-05-16T14:27:48 < qyx> may I ask what kind of work load are you doing tomeaton17 when eyebaling 110 GHz scopes?
2025-05-16T14:28:01 < tpbsd> he had a $10k keysight that looked pretty nice, but he ended up selling it
2025-05-16T14:28:33 < qyx> because I am not hoarding tools with features I don't need
2025-05-16T14:28:58 < tpbsd> my old HP has a 68020 CPU which is way faster than the Rigol I had, the HP boot is almost instant
2025-05-16T14:42:00 < srk> but how often per day do you boot your scope? we boot ours once when we come to lab and it keeps running till we leave
2025-05-16T14:43:13 < qyx> I do that 0 or 1 times per day
2025-05-16T14:43:19 < tpbsd> in my case only when I need it
2025-05-16T14:43:39 < tpbsd> your scope at the lab must be quiet ?
2025-05-16T14:45:35 < srk> silent compared to power supplies :D
2025-05-16T14:45:42 < qyx> definitely, it is passively cooled
2025-05-16T14:47:44 < tpbsd> I hate noisy test gear
2025-05-16T14:47:53 < karlp> yeah, my riglol ds1100 shits have to be turned off if not in use, far too loud
2025-05-16T14:48:06 < karlp> and if it booted as slow as the tek shit at work I'd lose my mind.
2025-05-16T14:48:12 < tpbsd> the older DSO's were terrible, like jet engines
2025-05-16T14:49:39 < karlp> tell you what though, working at home today and I'm sort of feeling cramped on this 1080p 24" after the 4k 35" at work
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2025-05-16T14:54:46 < srk> I'm now mostly using pi4 + pi monitor, pretty nice 1080p 15.7" IPS
2025-05-16T14:55:06 < srk> distraction free coding env :) barely runs webshit
2025-05-16T15:24:25 < tomeaton17> qyx hah I think dave did a video on it ages ago
2025-05-16T15:25:15 < tomeaton17> Highest bandwidth scope I used was 10 GHz for laser stuff
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2025-05-16T21:34:51 < tomeaton17> evening
2025-05-16T21:39:15 < tomeaton17> The grip handle for the new jlc is really scuffed up, I think I will ask for a replacement considering the price
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2025-05-16T22:31:08 < qyx> ok I just found out I can't use PCB right angle connectors protruding *two* sides of an enclosure
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2025-05-16T23:26:01 < qyx> I think I should probably just get really drunk for the first time ever
2025-05-16T23:27:51 < Steffanx> Nah
2025-05-16T23:30:19 < Steffanx> Get a stroopwafel, get that sugar rush and go to bed after
2025-05-16T23:52:08 < tomeaton17> idk I feel like the sounds quite fun qyz
2025-05-16T23:52:17 < tomeaton17> s/qyz/qyx
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2025-05-18T00:50:36 < qyx> Unrouted: 27
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2025-05-18T03:51:25 < qyx> kakisongs
2025-05-18T03:51:29 < qyx> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3IL3qJUsc
2025-05-18T03:51:52 < qyx> huh she has changed a lot
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2025-05-18T12:07:23 < Steffanx> You want a true kakisong qyx? 
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2025-05-18T17:25:05 < karlp> ich komme!
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2025-05-18T18:21:25 < Steffanx> Nah not that one some other "quality" song
2025-05-18T18:22:02 < karlp> cmon, riding that microphone with the fireworks out the end? that was fucking awesome
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2025-05-18T18:45:25 < Steffanx> Heh I didn't watch it and I had to look up what you meant :P
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2025-05-18T21:31:30 < qyx> no pls no eurovision song
2025-05-18T21:36:56 < qyx> so cellular pros, I am yet again reconsidering NB1 vs cat1bis
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2025-05-18T22:57:08 < Steffanx> It's worse, qyx :P
2025-05-18T22:58:07 < qyx> what, worse than an eurovision song?
2025-05-18T22:59:20 < qyx> so the 3d guy at $work did an update to his 3d things
2025-05-18T23:00:08 < qyx> and now my things got some holes across traces https://bin.jvnv.net/file/3RtzC/Screenshot_2025-05-18_21-59-39.png
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2025-05-18T23:20:27 < qyx> today i had to tell the guy at Bauhaus that despite doing electronics for the past 15 years I am not able to use their kiosk for printing labels for bolts&nuts
2025-05-18T23:21:32 < BrainDamage> that's reasonable, printers are incredibly cursed devices
2025-05-18T23:23:47 < qyx> it has a shitty resistive touchscreen which required enormous force
2025-05-18T23:24:13 < qyx> the process was like "enter code", "enter number of pcs"
2025-05-18T23:24:46 < qyx> and the "backspace" button was not erasing the last digit, it wasn't even erasing the last line, it returned to the beginning
2025-05-18T23:28:48 < qyx> also, I had to tell another guy that sand 0.4 mm is not the same as 0-4 mm gravel
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2025-05-19T11:45:43 < qyx> oh somebody bothered https://pypi.org/project/heatshrinkpy/
2025-05-19T11:46:01 < qyx> so I don't have to make an openwrt package for heathsirhnk
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2025-05-19T13:32:27 < machinehum> hello all
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2025-05-19T13:41:19 < tomeaton17> hello
2025-05-19T13:54:39 < karlp> https://github.com/HewlettPackard/dpp/blob/master/README#L34-L41
2025-05-19T13:56:33 < jpa-> funny having empty readme.md and then actual readme
2025-05-19T14:00:49 < karlp> yeah, really makes me feel good about the quality
2025-05-19T14:00:57 < karlp> no issues, no pulls, just a weird dump
2025-05-19T14:01:13 < karlp> and android recommends this, but samsung just prenteds it doesn't exist :)
2025-05-19T14:03:13 < karlp> doesn't sound like iOS does it either.
2025-05-19T14:08:59 < fentyl> cool standard bro
2025-05-19T14:11:59 < karlp> yup
2025-05-19T14:19:43 < qyx> I am not sure about the rant
2025-05-19T14:20:10 < qyx> from the security pov, whitelisting is the proper way, but idk what's all that about
2025-05-19T14:23:27 < karlp> there's no way to even -develop_ new versions of anything if the devices lock out anything that wasn't available a tthe time.
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2025-05-19T17:23:22 < karlp> meh, espressif's "unified wifi provisioning" with ios and android apps and source, with provisioning over btle or soft ap... doesn't support wpa2-enterprise at all.
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2025-05-19T18:30:50 < qyx> lol
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2025-05-19T18:37:28 < qyx> my inductive keyboard randomly press some numbers
2025-05-19T18:37:32 < qyx> 666666 to be more precise
2025-05-19T18:37:48 < qyx> is the thing cursed
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2025-05-20T13:29:49 < qyx> recompiling my application for the 5th time, the veersion on boot still says it is the old one
2025-05-20T13:29:57 < qyx> cleaning the build dir, recompiling again
2025-05-20T13:30:02 < qyx> checking version.h, everything ok
2025-05-20T13:30:27 < qyx> 30 minutes later, the version on *boot* is displayed by the *bootloader* and it is the *bootloader* version
2025-05-20T13:32:26 < jpa-> had similar thing today.. FPGA changes didn't apply, i had been pressing "Run place & route" instead of "Run all" (which includes synthesis)
2025-05-20T13:35:27 < Steffanx> I'm packing my work stuff. It's going well.
2025-05-20T13:37:16 < qyx> were you fired Steffanx 
2025-05-20T13:42:59 < Steffanx> Nah we're moving 
2025-05-20T13:43:10 < Steffanx> An upgrade.
2025-05-20T13:54:58 < qyx> hm kicad step export is super slow in the 8.x
2025-05-20T14:06:43 < jpa-> for me it depends on the 3d models.. sometimes manufacturers have some multi-megabyte models for components
2025-05-20T14:12:22 < qyx> for me the step is 2 MB in this case, when I check "include traces", it is 32 MB, when I check "include filled zones", it never finishes (I killed it after 10 minutes)
2025-05-20T14:13:54 < jbo> hello
2025-05-20T14:27:19 < qyx> ehlo
2025-05-20T14:37:16 < karlp> yeah, don't include traces, that's not fucking part of the model, it was done to make the blender nerds happy. "omg, it doesn't look real!" "it's a mech model, not a promo render?!"
2025-05-20T14:37:26 < karlp> yes yes, traces have thickness....
2025-05-20T14:45:58 < fentyl> qyx: I've seen flash upload sometimes going to nowhere
2025-05-20T14:57:39 < qyx> I want traces in my model
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2025-05-20T16:36:02 < karlp> re fpga features vs binning vs "it's all the same" https://www.eenewseurope.com/en/microchip-slashes-polarfire-fpa-pricing-by-30
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2025-05-20T16:39:09 < qyx> a crypto processor with user memory that was used in military
2025-05-20T16:39:13 < qyx> what do they say?
2025-05-20T16:39:22 < zyp> «same die but some parts of it untested and disabled» is a bit different from «same die, but you're only allowed to utilize half the logic resources» though :)
2025-05-20T16:39:23 < qyx> *everybody* is using crypto now
2025-05-20T16:39:51 < qyx> and if not now, in 2026 they will be
2025-05-20T16:43:09 < qyx> also, cutting testing costs requires increasing production capacity
2025-05-20T16:43:37 < qyx> the are not going to decomission existing setups
2025-05-20T16:47:25 < karlp> zyp: just thought it was relevant, not any sort of argument for anythign in particular...
2025-05-20T17:06:14 < qyx> what the hell I just got an offer for AD 4590€ yearly?
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2025-05-20T17:41:54 < bitmask> hi
2025-05-20T17:54:24 < nohit> hi
2025-05-20T18:01:15 < bitmask> good talk, gym time :)
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2025-05-20T19:33:20 < Steffanx> Gooday sir!
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2025-05-20T19:46:05 < bitmask> I hate my internet! top o' the mornin' ta you good sir
2025-05-20T19:46:22 < bitmask> or something like that
2025-05-20T19:50:01 < bitmask> anyone know a good strength training app or website for beginners?
2025-05-20T19:51:41 < Steffanx> chatgpt can make you a plan
2025-05-20T19:52:26 < bitmask> you are the second person to suggest that
2025-05-20T19:53:02 < bitmask> chatgpt it is
2025-05-20T19:53:18 < Steffanx> That first person must be very smart too then
2025-05-20T19:53:40 < bitmask> haha uhh sure
2025-05-20T19:53:41 < Steffanx> Lol I wouldn't use it, but.. then I'm not into strength training at all.
2025-05-20T19:54:00 < bitmask> i would still want some kinda app to keep track of stuff though
2025-05-20T19:54:45 < bitmask> im not into it either, I just don't want to die in the next year
2025-05-20T19:55:09 < Steffanx> I don't plan on doing so either.
2025-05-20T19:55:37 < bitmask> no but im sure you are more active than I am, I gotta make up for like 15 years of laying in bed
2025-05-20T19:55:59 < bitmask> it took me a month and a half, but today I finally got 30 minutes straight on the elliptical :P
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2025-05-20T19:58:10 < bitmask> and I'm in the middle of a crohn's flare up
2025-05-20T19:58:14 < bitmask> fun
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2025-05-20T21:13:53 < Steffanx> How did you manage to destroy your macbook screen while in bed bitmask ? 
2025-05-20T21:16:35 < fentyl> bitmask: going for walk can actually do miracles. and then biking.
2025-05-20T21:18:52 < Steffanx> bitmask: oh the projectile dysfunction finally makes sense. 
2025-05-20T21:22:56 < bitmask> diy magnetic stirrer testing
2025-05-20T21:24:07 < bitmask> projectile dysfunction?
2025-05-20T21:37:17 < Steffanx> yes the projectile wasnt supposed to go that way.
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2025-05-20T22:24:37 < qyx> I nearly killed a fly with a flying pen
2025-05-20T22:24:40 < qyx> it is super annoying
2025-05-20T22:25:18 < qyx> I waited for it to calm down for half an hour with a sock in my hand
2025-05-20T22:25:39 < qyx> then I used the sock in the originally intended way so I had to use the pen
2025-05-20T22:30:53 < qyx> oh there is a bug in the interactive BOM exporter in kicad
2025-05-20T22:31:17 < qyx> it rotated some silkscreen graphics 90°
2025-05-20T22:40:38 < Steffanx> i like my electronic fly swatter qyx  
2025-05-20T22:41:08 < Steffanx> The smell of burnt organic material is less fun, but it works.
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2025-05-21T15:48:03 < tomeaton17> hello
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2025-05-21T16:22:25 < nohit> hello
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2025-05-21T17:16:21 < karlp> allo allo allo, what have we ere then?
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2025-05-21T17:17:37 < machinehum> hello
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2025-05-21T17:30:01 < tomeaton17> time for the lab clean up. Only been at this place for 6 months. Amazing some of the stuff previous engineers accumulated. 5 solder pots, all 110V (i'm in the uk). An electric shoe polisher and many more useless items
2025-05-21T17:32:52 < qyx> don't you have those yellow construction site 110V isolation transformers easily available over there?
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2025-05-21T17:52:49 < tomeaton17> qyx I could order some, but I don't have any need for 5 solder pots. I don't really use solder pots in general
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2025-05-21T18:34:44 < qyx> may be actually usable for wire pre-tinning
2025-05-21T18:35:00 < qyx> but I don't do connectors and stuff either
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2025-05-21T18:55:18 < tomeaton17> qyx: yes I did use it briefly for that. But all the connectors I make up are crimped
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2025-05-22T04:17:46 < qyx> I really really want to use COSE for signing CBOR, but the thing is so weird and unbelievably obscurable and simply wrong
2025-05-22T04:19:02 < qyx> the concept of having to encode the payload into a bstr is weird on its own
2025-05-22T04:19:16 < qyx> I mean I know the purpose but hey
2025-05-22T04:20:18 < qyx> also the top level structure being an array with hardcoded positions for protected, unprotected, etc.
2025-05-22T04:20:54 < qyx> the whole CBOR/JSON idea with named keys in a map is totally missed there
2025-05-22T04:21:37 < aandrew> I have not heard of COSE until now
2025-05-22T04:22:34 < qyx> now even DER/BER (asn.1) looks like something awesome
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2025-05-22T04:24:56 < aandrew> oh jesus, COSE must be pretty fucking bad if asn.1 looks good
2025-05-22T04:25:40 < qyx> it is more like asn.1 ~= CBOR, x509 ~= COSE
2025-05-22T04:26:32 < qyx> CBOR itself is okish
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2025-05-22T10:52:58 < qyx> zyp: got DM3068 in the end, LXI works, pretty fast, much ok
2025-05-22T10:53:10 < qyx> fuk androidz on DM858
2025-05-22T10:58:28 < srk> I think the android based ones are pretty neat reverse engineering target
2025-05-22T10:58:44 < srk> hardware is decent but the OS+app not so
2025-05-22T10:59:37 < srk> then make a fpga backend/hw for it as well and have open scope / dmm
2025-05-22T11:03:15 < qyx> got the android scope too after 17 years
2025-05-22T11:05:29 < srk> there's adb running on it by default and bunch of ssh keys of rigol devs :)
2025-05-22T11:07:39 < qyx> lol
2025-05-22T11:18:11 < qyx> unbelievable, it is saving screenshots as jpg
2025-05-22T11:18:24 < fentyl> universe is so fucked up if android ends up on scope
2025-05-22T11:18:38 < fentyl> yet I guess better than if Windows CE 4 was there
2025-05-22T11:19:12 < qyx> also the user experience is breathtaking https://bin.jvnv.net/file/WjALu/Screenshot_2025-05-22_10-18-51.png
2025-05-22T11:24:40 < qyx> yes it is totally chined
2025-05-22T11:24:45 < qyx> meh
2025-05-22T11:26:38 < tomeaton17> that is chinesium art
2025-05-22T11:31:59 < qyx> srk is right, it needs a proper firmware
2025-05-22T11:32:11 < qyx> scpi service has 2014 in the version string
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2025-05-22T11:45:58 < srk> :D web at least uses websocket comms 
2025-05-22T11:47:15 < srk> https://github.com/sigrokproject/libsigrok/pull/246
2025-05-22T11:47:46 < srk> "Yeah I can confirm that Rigol's firmware can get in an unstable state regarding SCPI communication, to the point that you have to reboot the scope to get it back on track..." 
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2025-05-22T12:49:56 < karlp> fecking, back to HID report construction and debug again.
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2025-05-22T13:17:54 < fentyl> I still can't wrap my head around the fact that "every probe will work out of the box with every target" is not a valid statement
2025-05-22T13:34:55 < karlp> what are you talking about?
2025-05-22T13:38:12 < fentyl> ah, old firmware
2025-05-22T13:38:37 < fentyl> karlp: fuck knows why, older probes don't support new (but not fundamentally different) HW
2025-05-22T13:40:03 < karlp> johntravoltalookingaround.gif
2025-05-22T13:50:18 < jpa-> fentyl: i assume "probe" is stlink or some other "high level adapter" and "new HW" is some new stm32?
2025-05-22T13:50:23 < jpa-> have you tried updating the firmware?
2025-05-22T13:51:14 < jpa-> if you use cmsis-dap or similar you shouldn't need to update firmware, just openocd
2025-05-22T13:51:46 < fentyl> jpa-: actu-fucking-ly I am using cmsis-dap against rp2350 and that makes me sad
2025-05-22T13:58:16 < jpa-> ah, i think rp2350 requires that special openocd fork anyway, at least it didn't work well for me otherwise
2025-05-22T13:58:54 < fentyl> that makes me sad too
2025-05-22T14:17:12 < qyx> my 10M resistor is 8M as soon as I solder it down on a pcb
2025-05-22T14:17:17 < qyx> it is connected nowhere
2025-05-22T14:17:52 < qyx> no, the pads are not connected
2025-05-22T14:18:04 < qyx> no, there is no measurable resistance acorss the pads without the resistor
2025-05-22T14:18:11 < qyx> yes, the resistor is 10M when not soldered
2025-05-22T14:26:24 < BrainDamage> is it deterministic? as in, it always becomes 8M? otherwise I can think of conductive flux residues in paralle
2025-05-22T14:27:16 < jpa-> qyx: is it 8M after you unsolder it?
2025-05-22T14:27:57 < jpa-> if you resolder it then, does it become 6M? ;)
2025-05-22T14:35:38 < qyx> it is temperature dependent and varies between 4M when hot to about 8M when it cools down
2025-05-22T14:35:46 < qyx> I resoldered it and cleaned maybe 5 times
2025-05-22T14:36:14 < qyx> I am starting suspecting something in the internal layer
2025-05-22T14:36:35 < qyx> which "activates" when bent slightly, eg. by a resistor on the top layer cooling down
2025-05-22T14:40:23 < jpa-> so in unsoldered state, does it return to 10M?
2025-05-22T14:41:07 < jpa-> does it read the same resistance if you measure the other way around (positive & negative multimeter lead)
2025-05-22T14:42:31 < jpa-> also make sure to manually select the range on the DMM, autoranging meters can do funny stuff when you measure things in-circuit (e.g. it can show infinite in one range but some silly resistance in another range)
2025-05-22T14:42:56 < qyx> I desoldered everything around so it is not connected to anything anymore
2025-05-22T14:43:08 < qyx> yes the resistor itself returns to 10M
2025-05-22T14:43:16 < qyx> I also replaced it with a new one, the same happens
2025-05-22T14:44:36 < jpa-> so if it is not connected to anything, is it connected to something in the inner layers that you suspect?
2025-05-22T14:45:11 < jpa-> 10 Mohm is not that high, you need to be very unlucky with flux to get that much conduction
2025-05-22T14:50:08 < qyx> yes one end is connected to a local ground on the inner layer and the other end to a THT connector pad
2025-05-22T14:51:01 < qyx> oh no
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2025-05-22T15:57:17 < karlp> what is it?
2025-05-22T15:59:21 < qyx> idk there is one another via into the inner layer
2025-05-22T16:00:38 < qyx> but I have some sort of cognitive malfunction atm
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2025-05-22T23:44:17 < qyx> in 2025 when i finally though USB-B is dead I got 4 new cables packaged with the new stuff
2025-05-22T23:47:51 < specing> undead
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2025-05-23T19:07:12 < jerrycash> Do these 8 passwords have to be the same or can they be different? https://wiki.stmicroelectronics.cn/stm32mpu/wiki/How_to_perform_Secure_Boot_from_Distribution_Package#Creating_signature_key_for_STM32MP13
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2025-05-23T20:04:55 < karlp> probably not, but without looking at whatever that wrapper script actually does, you won't know which one is used where...
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2025-05-23T22:10:52 < jbo> Steffanx
2025-05-23T22:11:34 < Steffanx> Steffanx is not here right know. Leave a message after the beep
2025-05-23T22:12:10 < jbo> outrages. you'll hear from my shoe polisher
2025-05-23T22:24:28 < Steffanx> *beep*
2025-05-23T22:38:15 < qyx> hjalp steff, pls call us back when you return
2025-05-23T22:38:50 < qyx> me: hey kids, pee, poo, drink before sleep?
2025-05-23T22:38:50 < qyx> no
2025-05-23T22:39:02 < qyx> k then, you can go to bed, gn
2025-05-23T22:39:32 < qyx> 10 minutes later, both want all of the mentioned
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2025-05-23T22:49:38 < Steffanx> Thats your fault qyx. You were the bad example 
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2025-05-23T22:49:58 < Steffanx> You went to bed and did naughty things... Instead of going to sleep
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2025-05-23T23:07:52 < jerrycash> karlp, was that directed at my question?
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2025-05-23T23:15:41 < fentyl> jerrycash: you've been the first one to write something today, so it is safe to assume yes
2025-05-23T23:17:10 < jerrycash> fentyl, fair enough :)
2025-05-23T23:17:30 < zyp> qyx, why is that even a question and not routine? :p
2025-05-23T23:19:14 < jerrycash> i already flashed publicKeysHashHashes.bin to otp with 8 different passwords, guess i'll try with another chip
2025-05-23T23:20:25 < zyp> what's the passwords for? I'd suspect they're just for unlocking the private key files
2025-05-23T23:21:37 < jerrycash> zyp, secure boot, i'm getting ERROR:   BL2: Failed to load image id 1 (-80)
2025-05-23T23:22:02 < zyp> that's what the keys are for, my question is how the passwords enter the picture
2025-05-23T23:24:18 < jerrycash> zyp, i'm not sure what you mean exactly sorry
2025-05-23T23:25:35 < zyp> I mean that this is obviously a PKI scheme, and PKI usually doesn't involve passwords
2025-05-23T23:26:07 < zyp> so the password is presumably only a means to help safeguard the private key
2025-05-23T23:26:56 < zyp> in which case a password issue should manifest when you attempt to sign an image, not when you attempt to load the signed image
2025-05-23T23:27:26 < zyp> so the passwords are probably not related to whatever issue you're having
2025-05-23T23:28:42 < zyp> I've never worked with stm32mp1, so I don't know how their secure boot infrastructure works in detail though
2025-05-23T23:28:56 < zyp> so I can't tell you what your problem is, just that it's probably not password related :)
2025-05-23T23:29:20 < jerrycash> i see what you're saying. yeah i think you're correct. thanks
2025-05-23T23:30:41 < jerrycash> the consultant that did the secure boot used the same password 8 times in their example. and that's the only thing that i did differently, so i thought maybe that was the issue.
2025-05-23T23:31:18 < jerrycash> it works for them, so something is wrong in my build i guess
2025-05-23T23:43:33 < karlp> yeah, I'd image those are all just passphrases to unlock the various keys.
2025-05-23T23:43:47 < karlp> but using great big wrappers like that is always nasty for making changes :)
2025-05-23T23:44:08 < karlp> I mean, I get why people do those big "just make me a pki" but... it always ends up being wrong anyway IME.
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2025-05-24T00:57:00 < qyx> liebe makers, https://optics-focus.com/motorized-goniometer-stage-p-535.html
2025-05-24T00:57:16 < qyx> how would i control this, linuxcnc?
2025-05-24T00:57:22 < qyx> zyp specifically played with it
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2025-05-24T02:19:03 < zyp> control it for what?
2025-05-24T02:28:05 < qyx> um, just a basic smooth motion control to avoid jerky motion
2025-05-24T02:28:14 < qyx> like, go to +4000 steps
2025-05-24T02:28:44 < qyx> go back -2000, etc. with ramp/up, ramp/down, maybe something a bit more advanced
2025-05-24T02:29:02 < qyx> and I would like to control it from python for a calibration procedure
2025-05-24T02:29:49 < zyp> just that thing alone, no coordinated motion between multiple axes?
2025-05-24T02:29:59 < qyx> nope
2025-05-24T02:30:18 < zyp> is it just a plain stepper that you need a stepper driver for?
2025-05-24T02:30:38 < qyx> yeh, hardware wise I need a stepper driver, but software-wise idk
2025-05-24T02:31:36 < zyp> you could consider getting a stepper driver that does all the shit for you so you just have to ask for a position, I believe trinamic got a bunch
2025-05-24T02:32:33 < qyx> I just spent half an hour searching for anything standalone trinamic-like with ethernet or usb
2025-05-24T02:32:57 < qyx> not even usable rpi hats with them
2025-05-24T02:33:13 < zyp> idk about ethernet or usb, but they at least have this sort of shit: https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/tmc5240.pdf
2025-05-24T02:33:31 < zyp> that's just the first «integrated stepper driver and controller» I spotted in the list
2025-05-24T02:33:59 < qyx> I have some devboard, wait
2025-05-24T02:34:21 < qyx> TMC5160
2025-05-24T02:35:20 < qyx> I'll probably need to play with it and just see how it goes
2025-05-24T02:35:20 < zyp> that's a driver for external fets?
2025-05-24T02:35:27 < zyp> but yeah, it has the same shit
2025-05-24T02:35:34 < qyx> apparently yes it has some SOIC8 fets
2025-05-24T02:37:08 < zyp> anyway, single axis shit is pretty easy
2025-05-24T02:42:07 < zyp> start with the distance you wanna move, plan a fixed speed segment with constant max speed, chop off each end of that to make acceleration and deceleration segments, chop of each end of those to make jerk limiting segments
2025-05-24T02:44:40 < zyp> you'll end up with a max of 7 segments total; ramp up acceleration, constant acceleration, ramp down acceleration, zero acceleration, ramp up deceleration, constant deceleration, ramp down deceleration
2025-05-24T02:45:23 < qyx> but that means I have to do it in realtime
2025-05-24T02:45:30 < qyx> so I need a mcu in between
2025-05-24T02:46:01 < qyx> hm I'll read about the trinamic controller once more time, it has some CAN/serial interface i can directly use from linux
2025-05-24T02:46:04 < zyp> this is if you're not using a smart driver, then naturally you need something to generate step/dir signals
2025-05-24T02:46:41 < qyx> I remember seeing something about those ramps and planning in the trinamic manual
2025-05-24T02:46:59 < zyp> yeah
2025-05-24T02:47:29 < zyp> I haven't read up on it, but ideally you should just be able to configure speed, acceleration and jerk limits, and it should be able to figure out the rest
2025-05-24T02:49:01 < zyp> I wouldn't bother with linuxcnc in any case
2025-05-24T02:50:37 < zyp> you can have linuxcnc bitbang step/dir signals for you, but that requires a bunch of care to have a realtime thread running at 10kHz+ to work well, and AIUI that tends to be hard to acheive
2025-05-24T02:51:05 < qyx> what was the linuxcnc thing you did in the past?
2025-05-24T02:51:08 < qyx> ir it wasn't you?
2025-05-24T02:51:40 < zyp> I had it interface with custom FPGA shit
2025-05-24T02:52:01 < zyp> but I'm driving servos, and the FOC loops are in the FPGA, not linuxcnc
2025-05-24T03:00:03 < zyp> speaking of linuxcnc, I've been working on making my own teach pendant thing for the robot arm: https://photos.app.goo.gl/nvkHeEdbB2zwk9qQA
2025-05-24T03:03:50 < qyx> can't you just buy one https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61nJFnl6kzL.jpg
2025-05-24T03:04:00 < zyp> :D
2025-05-24T03:05:06 < zyp> more like https://www.kuka.com/-/media/kuka-corporate/images/press/news/2018/03/designaward-smartpad-2/kuka-smartpad-2.jpg
2025-05-24T03:06:27 < BrainDamage> every time I use a mobile os, I feel like I am using a device like qyx's link, to the point that I expect one of the buttons go "mooo" when I press it
2025-05-24T03:07:24 < qyx> speaking of such devices, I want a ruggedized one, linux capable
2025-05-24T03:07:34 < qyx> so probably some rockchip or a behaving allwhinner
2025-05-24T03:07:51 < qyx> something like the toughpad
2025-05-24T03:08:25 < qyx> even more rugged with rubber edges and external connectors for ethernet and power
2025-05-24T03:08:58 < zyp> I'm currently prototyping with a rpi5 in this thing, considering doing a board with a cm5 if it behaves
2025-05-24T03:09:16 < zyp> but I'm also thinking about evaluating rk3588 or something
2025-05-24T03:09:30 < zyp> see which is more pleasant to work with
2025-05-24T03:09:57 < qyx> on rpi5 cm? when did that happen
2025-05-24T03:10:52 < zyp> so far I'm actually fairly impressed with rpi5, the bootloader stuff they've got seems pretty solid
2025-05-24T03:11:14 < qyx> can it chainload u-boot?
2025-05-24T03:11:19 < zyp> except it's closed source
2025-05-24T03:11:20 < zyp> I think so
2025-05-24T03:11:32 < zyp> but I'm not sure it's worth it
2025-05-24T03:12:25 < qyx> hm a pity it got only 1 pcie 2.0 lane
2025-05-24T03:12:59 < zyp> the display I'm using is a third party DSI panel, so it doesn't turn on until linux halfway during its boot loads the kernel module for it
2025-05-24T03:13:08 < qyx> yesterday I asked for a quote for those super small imx8 modules from Ka-Ro
2025-05-24T03:13:14 < qyx> I bet they are gonna be 200e
2025-05-24T03:13:20 < zyp> it'd be nice if the bootloader would set it up, AIUI it does for the first party DSI panels
2025-05-24T03:13:34 < qyx> u-boot cold set it up too
2025-05-24T03:13:38 < zyp> and I guess I could chainload u-boot just to have u-boot do it
2025-05-24T03:13:57 < zyp> but adding that complexity just to get a picture a few seconds earlier does not really seem worthwhile :p
2025-05-24T03:14:06 < qyx> https://www.karo-electronics.com/qsxm/
2025-05-24T03:14:17 < qyx> that's not complex at all if it works
2025-05-24T03:14:36 < qyx> and from the user PoV it may make things a bit easier
2025-05-24T03:14:42 < zyp> what do you mean?
2025-05-24T03:14:54 < qyx> adb, dfu, mass storage
2025-05-24T03:14:59 < qyx> ethernet and stuff like this
2025-05-24T03:15:10 < qyx> more ways to unbrick the thing when in field
2025-05-24T03:15:21 < qyx> scripting
2025-05-24T03:15:31 < qyx> fallback mechanisms and such
2025-05-24T03:15:41 < zyp> the rpi bootloader already can do configurable boot orders and tryboot/fallback stuff
2025-05-24T03:15:55 < qyx> why are they NIH-ing that?
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2025-05-24T03:16:38 < qyx> if they just replicated what SPL does and loaded u-boots second stage, it would be enough
2025-05-24T03:16:49 < qyx> or just run tf-a
2025-05-24T03:17:11 < zyp> idk, but it works well
2025-05-24T03:17:27 < zyp> nvme support is also great
2025-05-24T03:17:29 < qyx> and do you like it performance-wise?
2025-05-24T03:17:47 < zyp> boots like four times faster from nvme than from sdcard
2025-05-24T03:18:28 < zyp> I haven't benchmarked it, and I don't really have anything to benchmark it against either
2025-05-24T03:18:47 < qyx> what board do you have specifically?
2025-05-24T03:18:50 < qyx> the development one?
2025-05-24T03:19:01 < qyx> https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/compute-module-5-io-board/
2025-05-24T03:19:50 < zyp> like I said, I'm prototyping with a regular rpi5: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/8BATu.jpg
2025-05-24T03:20:12 < qyx> oh yeah
2025-05-24T03:20:16 < zyp> I also have a poe+nvme hat on top of that
2025-05-24T03:20:54 < zyp> but yeah, I also bought the cm5 devkit which includes that io board and a fancy box for it
2025-05-24T03:20:55 < qyx> did you measure power consumption by any chance?
2025-05-24T03:21:11 < zyp> no, but shit runs hot all the time, so I don't imagine it's low :p
2025-05-24T03:21:32 < zyp> that's the one thing I don't get yet, why the fuck is it so hot even when not doing anything
2025-05-24T03:22:21 < qyx> pi4 was hot too
2025-05-24T03:22:32 < qyx> and 3b+ a bit too
2025-05-24T03:23:39 < qyx> starting from $45? :D
2025-05-24T03:23:44 < qyx> https://rpishop.cz/c/compute-module-5/
2025-05-24T03:24:49 < qyx> ok the cheapest one is 53e, 2GB ram and no emmc, shameful
2025-05-24T03:25:40 < zyp> fuck emmc, run it with nvme instead :p
2025-05-24T03:27:15 < zyp> but yeah, I wanna have a go at rk3588 as well
2025-05-24T03:27:50 < qyx> I am optimizing consumption, I don't need to access nvm during runtime at all except logging and optionally a fifo
2025-05-24T03:28:04 < qyx> so emmc is a better choice
2025-05-24T03:28:40 < zyp> you probably don't want this sort of stuff for a low power product
2025-05-24T03:29:53 < qyx> https://www.tomshardware.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-compute-module-4s-review
2025-05-24T03:29:56 < qyx> I want 4S
2025-05-24T03:30:11 < qyx> it is 1W compared for 0.4W I get from imx6 which is probably 50x slower
2025-05-24T03:30:16 < qyx> *to
2025-05-24T03:30:43 < zyp> any reason you want the sodimm form factor?
2025-05-24T03:31:29 < qyx> long term avail + for some reason much lower consumption
2025-05-24T03:31:38 < qyx> https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/nzUSGazCvYCouxAvfiBCJG-970-80.png
2025-05-24T03:31:54 < zyp> than cm4?
2025-05-24T03:31:58 < qyx> yes :>
2025-05-24T03:32:40 < zyp> are there actual hardware differences? I wouldn't trust those numbers without understanding what accounts for that difference
2025-05-24T03:32:52 < zyp> because AIUI cm4s is just a cm4 in a different form factor
2025-05-24T03:33:19 < qyx> also there is my personal preference
2025-05-24T03:33:30 < qyx> I hate those new CMs
2025-05-24T03:36:09 < qyx> anyweay, imx8 firs before other options are prototyped
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2025-05-26T15:52:36 < qyx> but how is it possible there is no monday innovation
2025-05-26T16:01:58 < Steffanx> Can you eat that?
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2025-05-26T19:15:59 < qyx> don't you get food for your innovative thoughs?
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2025-05-26T22:48:09 < qyx> that's great
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2025-05-27T11:55:32 < machinehum> Incredibly finished with Apple
2025-05-27T11:56:02 < machinehum> Cracked my M2 screen from just, normal backpack holding, 750.- to repair
2025-05-27T11:56:24 < machinehum> Clapped out thinkpads it is for the rest of my life
2025-05-27T12:04:14 < Steffanx> Is that chf machinehum ?
2025-05-27T12:04:35 < karlp> unless it's kronur or yen, on zim dollars, it hardly matters.
2025-05-27T12:04:49 < Steffanx> Should have gotten that applecare (or doesn't that cover screens?)
2025-05-27T12:05:13 < Steffanx> I know karlp :P
2025-05-27T12:06:21 < machinehum> Yeah Steffanx 
2025-05-27T12:07:05 < machinehum> I was pretty shocked, I assumed maybe 300-400
2025-05-27T12:09:24 < machinehum> Can get a used M2 for 1.2.-
2025-05-27T12:09:59 < tpbsd> damn, machinehum thats just cruel!
2025-05-27T12:10:12 < karlp> used m2 with a cracked screen perhaps? :)
2025-05-27T12:10:54 < tpbsd> makes me remember when I cracked the screen of my much loved pocketboot ereader just by having it in my jeans pocket
2025-05-27T12:11:42 < machinehum> I'll sell it with the cracked screen for whatever people want to pay for it
2025-05-27T12:12:08 < machinehum> Wipe my hands and be finished with this nonsense
2025-05-27T12:12:17 < tpbsd> and when I gouged the middle front of my pc monitor with a huge screwdriver as it flew acrodd the workshop as I was using it for a lever :( 
2025-05-27T12:12:26 < zyp> you don't have insurance that covers that sort of shit?
2025-05-27T12:13:08 < tpbsd> machinehum, sadly "light and thin" also mean fragile
2025-05-27T12:13:46 < machinehum> Walked into the Apple "genius" bar was greeted. "What's your apple ID?" "Please scan this with your iPhone" "what do you mean you don't have iCare+???"
2025-05-27T12:13:59 < machinehum> zyp: What insurace? It's a laptop
2025-05-27T12:13:59 < tpbsd> my old worn out Thinkpad X60s is still going, but the 1024*768 lcd is horrible res
2025-05-27T12:14:13 < karlp> surely, that's all you need for bsd though?
2025-05-27T12:14:20 < zyp> machinehum, home insurance? yours don't have any accident coverage?
2025-05-27T12:15:11 < machinehum> zyp: uhh no, unless that's mandatory here?
2025-05-27T12:15:56 < machinehum> I don't have anything worth insuring, other than health insurance I don't really "believe" in that
2025-05-27T12:16:48 < zyp> ah, you believe in 750 whatever repair bills instead :)
2025-05-27T12:17:20 < machinehum> No, I'm not paying that
2025-05-27T12:17:50 < machinehum> I didn't know Apple was THAT bad, it's honestly my first and last product
2025-05-27T12:18:16 < zyp> what sort of M2 is it anyway?
2025-05-27T12:19:13 < machinehum> 2023, 16GB, 1TB disk
2025-05-27T12:20:00 < zyp> pro? max? ultra?
2025-05-27T12:20:11 < machinehum> tpbsd: Actually just upgraded my T14 AMD Gen1 to a 1080p screen, 80.- and took 30 seconds to do the replacement
2025-05-27T12:20:18 < machinehum> zyp: Ah, sorry, yeah pro
2025-05-27T12:20:44 < tpbsd> machinehum, cool. I'll look into similar opts
2025-05-27T12:21:20 < machinehum> for the X60s, probably not possible, 4:3 screen hell yes
2025-05-27T12:22:04 < tpbsd> it's a awesome laptop, I'll never buy another
2025-05-27T12:22:23 < machinehum> RJ11 port
2025-05-27T12:22:44 < machinehum> What do you run on that?
2025-05-27T12:22:52 < tpbsd> Linux 
2025-05-27T12:23:01 < tpbsd> MX-Linux
2025-05-27T12:23:13 < machinehum> I figured linux
2025-05-27T12:23:17 < tpbsd> it's perfect, 100% compatible
2025-05-27T12:23:28 < tpbsd> everything works perfectly
2025-05-27T12:23:36 < machinehum> I find most old to kinda-old thinkpads are
2025-05-27T12:23:58 < tpbsd> I went thru all kinds of junk before I realised the X60s is perfect for Linux
2025-05-27T12:24:07 < machinehum> mxlinux
2025-05-27T12:24:23 < tpbsd> yeah, fan and SD slots are a bit worn
2025-05-27T12:24:53 < tpbsd> I have a docking station for it as well, thats perfect also
2025-05-27T12:25:52 < tpbsd> iirc those X60s were very expensive back in the 2000's I bought mine for $100 each on ebay about 2015
2025-05-27T12:26:33 < tpbsd> theyre not super fact, just dial core celerons, but battery life is still excellent
2025-05-27T12:26:43 < tpbsd> fact =-fast
2025-05-27T12:27:17 < machinehum> Have you upgraded the battery?
2025-05-27T12:27:25 < srk> hehe, I run x200 and x230 :)
2025-05-27T12:27:26 < machinehum> One of those chonkers that stick out the back?
2025-05-27T12:28:35 < tpbsd> no, it still has the original battery !
2025-05-27T12:28:44 < srk> is it possible to flash the battery chip somehow? iff I replace bad bat. cells 
2025-05-27T12:29:04 < tpbsd> it's the most amazing battery Ive ever owned
2025-05-27T12:29:16 < srk> lol. my orig. ones died long ago
2025-05-27T12:29:41 < tpbsd> I have other laptops and notebooks and their batteries are long dead as a doornail
2025-05-27T12:29:55 < tpbsd> only this X61s battery survives!
2025-05-27T12:30:16 < tpbsd> it must have a really decent BMS inside
2025-05-27T12:30:58 < machinehum> Makes me happy all these old af thinkpads are still being used. The state of modern phones is pitiful
2025-05-27T12:31:01 < tpbsd> srk, probably not is my guess, too complex and proprietary, but still worth having a look
2025-05-27T12:31:32 < tpbsd> machinehum, I agree, the quality of the old thinkpads may never be seen again
2025-05-27T12:31:59 < tpbsd> IBM engineering was incredible in it's heyday
2025-05-27T12:32:14 < machinehum> Has anyone tried a Framework machines?
2025-05-27T12:32:30 < tpbsd> not me
2025-05-27T12:32:43 < machinehum> They seem to have their heads somewhat screwed on right
2025-05-27T12:41:47 < karlp> outlook saving me: https://imgur.com/a/HHjzs5e
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2025-05-27T13:58:25 < qyx> so u-blox has maybe 40 different short range wireless modules and NONE of them can receive sub-GHz telemetry
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2025-05-27T14:39:25 < karlp> this is plain silabs territory isn't it? what are you looking at ublox for? trying to burn money?
2025-05-27T14:40:33 < qyx> no? TI, silabs, ST to name a few
2025-05-27T14:40:40 < qyx> ADI even
2025-05-27T14:40:52 < qyx> I want a certified module to avoid doing RED
2025-05-27T14:40:56 < karlp> lol.
2025-05-27T14:42:01 < qyx> I mean yes, silabs si actually usable
2025-05-27T14:42:09 < qyx> so you are not being wronglol
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2025-05-27T16:35:23 < specing> machinehum: framework seemed to have way less I/O than a typical older thinkpad
2025-05-27T16:36:10 < specing> no trackpoint, either
2025-05-27T16:41:56 < BrainDamage> modularity comes with the price of extra wasted space
2025-05-27T16:46:20 < machinehum> Enough IO for me, USBC, USBA, HDMI
2025-05-27T16:58:25 < specing> BrainDamage: they seemed to have overmodularised it - could've saved a bit of space by having fixed common I/O
2025-05-27T16:58:41 < specing> and it's all usb-to-X modules, right?
2025-05-27T17:05:16 < qyx> I remember we were already there, it was called pcmcia/express card
2025-05-27T17:05:24 < qyx> it worked pretty well
2025-05-27T17:06:30 < qyx> also, it is the same with all interfaces and inventions
2025-05-27T17:06:41 < BrainDamage> yes, but there was only 1 card per laptop, max 2
2025-05-27T17:08:54 < qyx> we have a 8 bit bus (uh oh ISA), we need more (let's call it PCI), even more (xPCI), BUT NOW FUK ALL THE PINS, let's reset back, we now have 1 bit (SPI), oh oh we need more (dual SPI), even more (quad SPI), even MORE (octo-spi), EVEN MORE (dodeka-hexa SPI)
2025-05-27T17:09:23 < qyx> but wait, we were already there
2025-05-27T17:09:36 < qyx> not now it is called serial bus! it was parallel in the past
2025-05-27T17:11:20 < qyx> likewise with ethernet, started with coax, then 2 lanes, then 4 lanes, now we are reverting back to xBase-T1
2025-05-27T17:11:35 < qyx> I bet the next automotive standard will be xBase-T2 having two lanes
2025-05-27T17:11:38 < qyx> but wait, ..
2025-05-27T17:12:32 < BrainDamage> parallel is an "easy" augmentation, but it comes with the price of synchronization and mutual interference
2025-05-27T17:13:47 < BrainDamage> you can reduce the problem a bit using differential signaling and vectoring
2025-05-27T17:15:03 < BrainDamage> the old parallel implementations also sent a single clock that sampled all the lines, that's the main differentiation mechanism from the new "serial" ones
2025-05-27T18:02:09 < zyp> xspi stuff is still synchronous to a single clock
2025-05-27T18:05:54 < qyx> yeah SD/MMC too
2025-05-27T18:06:06 < qyx> PCI-e is an exception
2025-05-27T18:06:20 < zyp> not an exception, just a faster class of stuff
2025-05-27T18:06:47 < zyp> there's a ton of stuff that has very similar physical layers to PCIe
2025-05-27T18:07:09 < zyp> USB3, SATA, displayport, etc…
2025-05-27T18:07:46 < qyx> I mean exception to the "looks like parallel but actually serial according to b-d rules"
2025-05-27T18:07:56 < qyx> usb3, sta are "true" serial buses
2025-05-27T18:08:34 < qyx> but hey, does PCI-e actually use clock recovery? it has a dedicated clock lane
2025-05-27T18:08:58 < zyp> it has to in any case
2025-05-27T18:09:20 < zyp> the pcie refclk is just that, a reference clock
2025-05-27T18:09:53 < zyp> lets the sender and receiver run at identical data rates
2025-05-27T18:10:07 < zyp> but the protocol still has elasticity tokens built in
2025-05-27T18:10:29 < zyp> AIUI the refclk is optional, you don't have to use it
2025-05-27T18:11:21 < qyx> nah, anyway, what was the deal with CRSDV and RX_DV/RX_ER?
2025-05-27T18:13:25 < qyx> nevermind
2025-05-27T18:21:19 < qyx> jbo: hierarchical bus hjalp
2025-05-27T18:27:08  * jbo reports for duty
2025-05-27T18:27:59 < jbo> what is up?
2025-05-27T18:28:05 < qyx> this is my switch port, RMII is an alias, https://bin.jvnv.net/file/alG3A/Screenshot_2025-05-27_17-27-35.png
2025-05-27T18:28:10 < zyp> the wheels on the bus go round and round
2025-05-27T18:28:39 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/IYwtX/Screenshot_2025-05-27_17-28-22.png
2025-05-27T18:28:46 < zyp> the fuck do you need TX/RX_ER for?
2025-05-27T18:28:54 < qyx> vipers on the bus go swish swish
2025-05-27T18:29:07 < qyx> this is the root ^
2025-05-27T18:29:30 < jbo> qyx, root looks good
2025-05-27T18:29:35 < jbo> except for directions but whatever
2025-05-27T18:29:39 < jbo> just mark them as bidir
2025-05-27T18:29:45 < jbo> what's your question?
2025-05-27T18:29:45 < qyx> and phy https://bin.jvnv.net/file/HxfVg/Screenshot_2025-05-27_17-29-29.png
2025-05-27T18:30:05 < qyx> my question is why kicad connects all my RXD0, RXD1... together?
2025-05-27T18:30:25 < qyx> all 4 ports
2025-05-27T18:30:38 < jbo> remove the {RMII} label on the bus itself
2025-05-27T18:30:47 < jbo> only have it on the hierarchical connector
2025-05-27T18:31:29 < jbo> and in the ethernet switch sheet, you need to prefix each signal with P0.
2025-05-27T18:31:52 < jbo> well, Px.  
2025-05-27T18:32:21 < jbo> so on U1B it would be   P0.REF_CLK   P0.TX_EN  etc.
2025-05-27T18:32:30 < qyx> zyp: PHY and swith both have it
2025-05-27T18:34:19 < zyp> I don't see TX_ER on the phy
2025-05-27T18:34:20 < qyx> jbo: works <3
2025-05-27T18:34:45 < jbo> qyx, happy to help.
2025-05-27T18:34:47 < zyp> and RX_ER doesn't seem particularly useful either
2025-05-27T18:38:39 < qyx> nah removed TX_ER but keeping RX_ER
2025-05-27T18:38:58 < zyp> yeah, you can keep your rx errors
2025-05-27T18:42:15 < qyx> I am generally too error prone si I like it
2025-05-27T18:44:28 < karlp> fecking bashism in my scripts.
2025-05-27T18:44:44 < karlp> I want to take the last two chars of a variable, haven't figured it out in dash yet :
2025-05-27T18:45:27 < qyx> tail -c no worky in dash?
2025-05-27T18:45:34 < karlp> man tail -c
2025-05-27T18:45:47 < karlp> fuckin, was trying to avoid subshells honestly
2025-05-27T18:45:51 < karlp> tail's not a built in is it?
2025-05-27T18:46:12 < zyp> cut?
2025-05-27T18:46:15 < qyx> hm yeah man tail -c says bytes, not chars
2025-05-27T18:46:28 < karlp> lol, fuck your unicode anyway :)
2025-05-27T18:46:29 < qyx> it even includes eodn of line
2025-05-27T18:48:43 < karlp> meh, echo | tail owrks. just feels gross.
2025-05-27T18:49:07 < zyp> you're doing shell scripting, it's supposed to
2025-05-27T18:49:36 < karlp> fair :)
2025-05-27T18:49:56 < qyx> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/eT364/Screenshot_2025-05-27_17-49-27.png
2025-05-27T18:50:00 < qyx> Unrouted: 435
2025-05-27T18:50:27 < Steffanx> Thank you for your support jbo
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2025-05-27T19:39:28 < bitmask> who b ready for da starfish lunch
2025-05-27T19:47:13 < Steffanx> idk are you ready?
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2025-05-27T19:59:03 < bitmask> well I'll be watching it so I guess I'm ready ?
2025-05-27T20:02:41 < Steffanx> let us know if you enjoyed it
2025-05-27T20:07:15 < bitmask> heh ok
2025-05-27T20:16:42 < Steffanx> So is bitmask behaving himself a little lately?
2025-05-27T20:18:31 < bitmask> very much so
2025-05-27T20:19:34 < bitmask> I's a good boy
2025-05-27T20:19:59 < bitmask> are you behaving yourself Steffanx?
2025-05-27T20:20:13 < Steffanx> Im trying
2025-05-27T20:22:16 < bitmask> just say no to drugs
2025-05-27T20:23:41 < Steffanx> lol. is paracetamol/acetaminophen considered "drugs"? That's the worst i've taken recently. 
2025-05-27T20:23:56 < Steffanx> caffeine maybe?
2025-05-27T20:24:28 < bitmask> I ran out of blood pressure meds and was hoping my 2 months so far at at he gym was enough to keep it down. If I stand for like 15 minutes walking around doing stuff then it jumps up but I'm hoping its only getting as high as it is because I'm also on steroids right now
2025-05-27T20:25:00 < bitmask> heh, I think you'll be okay, but be careful! I'm actually thinking about stopping caffeine, at least daily
2025-05-27T20:26:58 < bitmask> I take 200mg caffeine every morning, it doesn't really seem to do anything anymore but I keep taking it because I'm assuming it will really suck if I don't
2025-05-27T20:27:46 < bitmask> im gonna order some 100mg pills and then after a week or two start skipping days
2025-05-27T20:27:59 < bitmask> or maybe just switch to coffee
2025-05-27T20:32:53 < Steffanx> Mine just comes in liquid form. Aka coffee
2025-05-27T20:35:29 < bitmask> I might have to raise my bp a bit more and have some coffee, didn't get much sleep and I gotta work and i'm falling asleep
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2025-05-27T22:56:31 < karlp> fair :)
2025-05-27T22:56:33 < karlp> fair :)
2025-05-27T22:56:37 < karlp> better.
2025-05-27T23:21:57 < qyx> I don't get you guys, if I am falling asleep I just sleep
2025-05-27T23:22:09 < qyx> which is usually around 4 am
2025-05-27T23:22:48 < qyx> and two kids are enough for raising blood pressure above safe levels
2025-05-27T23:32:13 < jbo> must be nice
2025-05-27T23:32:41 < karlp> wooe, made my nicec alpine devcontainer, and it's "toomodern"  all our dangling copypasta "cmake min version" are now too old for the fancy new cmake in the latest alpine stuff :)
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2025-05-27T23:43:42 < Steffanx> You sleep qyx????
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2025-05-27T23:51:26 < qyx> System_Error: ofcourse
2025-05-27T23:51:30 < qyx> sorry
2025-05-27T23:51:32 < qyx> Steffanx: ^
2025-05-27T23:52:19 < Steffanx> 4 to 7 am?
2025-05-27T23:52:27 < qyx> and then usually 11-13
2025-05-27T23:53:28 < Steffanx> Unless the kids wake up at 5.30 because they feel like it?
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2025-05-27T23:57:40 < Steffanx> At least you're keeping yourself busy karlp 
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2025-05-28T00:22:33 < upgrdman> how i imagine dongs in college: https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1klcrqn/ohh_what/
2025-05-28T00:22:45 < BrainDamage> karlp: you can define it at command line time as temp workaround
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2025-05-28T00:36:50 < qyx> mouser part history search fails?
2025-05-28T00:37:17 < qyx> but it can list them, it can list orders too, no search though
2025-05-28T00:37:24 < qyx> No order information is associated with this account.
2025-05-28T00:37:24 < qyx> If you feel this is an error, please contact Customer Support or click the link to have this login linked to an existing customer account. 
2025-05-28T00:55:28 < karlp> BrainDamage: yeah, the cmake min version stuff is the least of my worries in this little diversion :)
2025-05-28T00:55:59 < karlp> getting all the right packges in a sanely sized and buildable container, with usb devices  for devcontainer to be "plug and debug" for other people was the goal.
2025-05-28T00:59:22 < karlp> my "alpine" container is still 1.4GB somehow, but that's a shit heap better than the 3.7GB ubu based was...
2025-05-28T01:16:35 < karlp> check out this awesome "find the download link for arm toolchain" though: https://hub.docker.com/r/targence/arm-none-eabi-gcc
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2025-05-28T16:44:35 < tomeaton17> hello
2025-05-28T16:53:12 < jbo> hello tomeaton17
2025-05-28T16:53:14 < jbo> how are you doing today?
2025-05-28T16:57:29 < tomeaton17> jbo I am back to work, I had a nice holiday in copenhagen
2025-05-28T16:57:43 < jbo> I am happy to hear that!
2025-05-28T16:57:50 < jbo> are you feeling all relaxed and full of energy?
2025-05-28T16:58:18 < tomeaton17> jbo I am feeling very tired in fact my flight got delayed and I didn't get home till 3am
2025-05-28T16:58:33 < jbo> ah, that sucks :(
2025-05-28T16:58:43 < jbo> that is usually why I don't consider travelling somewhere to be a relaxing experience.
2025-05-28T16:59:04 < jbo> even if you managed to be completely zen while you're there (after the initial getting-there-trauma), you just know you'll get the same treatment on your way back
2025-05-28T17:04:24 < tomeaton17> its not the worst I had luckily, my record is 4 cancelled flights in one day
2025-05-28T17:09:23 < tomeaton17> Anyway we have been interviewing interns today. It is interesting to see the standard of the current crop
2025-05-28T17:13:41 < jbo> I assume it's the same as the olders were thinking of us back in the day :)
2025-05-28T17:15:34 < tomeaton17> most probably. Most from Cambridge. They study general engineering until 3rd year which I think is a great idea
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2025-05-28T18:41:40 < Steffanx> I don't see the problem. Getting home at 3AM isn't that bad. 
2025-05-28T18:41:52 < Steffanx> Just make sure you have a few days after it to "recover"
2025-05-28T18:42:06 < Steffanx> All relaxed.
2025-05-28T18:43:03 < Steffanx> Imagine traveling to some sunny mountainy country by train for 11 hours. Just to find out there's no sun there. ;)
2025-05-28T18:43:23 < zyp> and no mountains either?
2025-05-28T18:43:25 < Steffanx> Just mist and rain
2025-05-28T18:43:32 < Steffanx> The mountains where there.
2025-05-28T18:43:38 < Steffanx> Were
2025-05-28T18:44:25 < tomeaton17> The weather was terrible when I was there
2025-05-28T18:44:42 < tomeaton17> I have ran out of holiday to have the recovery days sadly
2025-05-28T18:49:13 < qyx> so today the $customer wrote "can you deliver the pcb today or tomorrow?""
2025-05-28T18:49:40 < qyx> tomorrow I am gonna ask "have you ordered any?"
2025-05-28T18:53:27 < specing> LOl
2025-05-28T18:54:16 < qyx> I remember they were asking maybe half a year ago, how many PCBs do you have left? I said 3, unpopulated.
2025-05-28T19:15:07 < jerrycash> is there a way to force yes on this prompt from STM32_Programmer_CLI for -otp write lock so it's non interactive https://pastebin.com/raw/Mf8B9hAZ
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2025-05-28T20:45:31 < qyx> jerrycash: man yes
2025-05-28T20:47:34 < jerrycash> qyx, i don't see anything in the manual
2025-05-28T20:47:59 < jerrycash> https://www.st.com/resource/en/user_manual/um2237-stm32cubeprogrammer-software-description-stmicroelectronics.pdf
2025-05-28T20:59:38 < qyx> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/yes.1.html
2025-05-28T20:59:53 < qyx> idk what os/env are you using though
2025-05-28T21:02:49 < jerrycash> qyx, oh haha. never heard of that utility. cool, thanks!
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2025-05-29T00:28:13 < qyx> rip jbo https://apnews.com/article/switzerland-alps-blatten-evacuation-landslide-28e15e240eacb40bcbdb6a8f15d49398
2025-05-29T00:29:49 < jbo> jup
2025-05-29T00:29:56 < jbo> literally here
2025-05-29T00:30:44 < qyx> is ti nearby?
2025-05-29T00:30:55 < tpbsd> hey jbo !
2025-05-29T00:31:21 < jbo> https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2025/05/28/f3a1498feface73b.mp4
2025-05-29T00:31:22 < jbo> https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2025/05/28/966fd46ea35b528e.mp4
2025-05-29T00:31:29 < jbo> qyx, yeah
2025-05-29T00:31:34 < jbo> hey tpbsd! how are you doing today?
2025-05-29T00:31:49 < tpbsd> jbo, I fired up Openocd and developed some code to access a Cortex-M register, OpenOCD is very slick!
2025-05-29T00:32:09 < jbo> cool - glad to hear that! I'm not an OpenOCD dev tho - I never contribued anything.
2025-05-29T00:32:11 < tpbsd> jbo, it's a worthy project indeed
2025-05-29T00:32:36 < tpbsd> jbo, oh! for some reason I thought you were
2025-05-29T00:32:50 < jbo> tpbsd, no, I'm just the FreeBSD port maintainer
2025-05-29T00:33:02 < jbo> so if you used the FreeBSD port/pkg: You're welcome :p
2025-05-29T00:33:12 < jbo> otherwise, I was not invovled in any capacity
2025-05-29T00:33:55 < tpbsd> no, Im on shitty ubuntu atm
2025-05-29T00:34:31 < tpbsd> mainly as the FreeBSD version of Ollama is borked
2025-05-29T00:34:49 < tpbsd> and Im deep into AI thesedays
2025-05-29T00:35:19 < tpbsd> (local AI not paid online subbed AI)
2025-05-29T00:35:59 < tpbsd> jbo, I'll thank you when I get back to FreeBSD then :)
2025-05-29T00:36:33 < tpbsd> jbo, which wont be long as Im rebuilding my FreeBSD pc into a file server
2025-05-29T00:37:17 < jbo> you don't have to thank me at all :p
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2025-05-29T10:27:02 < qyx> mhm 10base-t1s should work over wire coat hangers, shouldn't it?
2025-05-29T10:31:42 < qyx> is there anything which could be done better? https://bin.jvnv.net/file/WSBxM/Screenshot_2025-05-29_09-31-13.png
2025-05-29T10:31:58 < qyx> L5 is a big PoE injecting differential-mode inductor
2025-05-29T10:32:45 < qyx> and I am not sure if those DC blocking caps (on the right) shouldn't be close to the inductor
2025-05-29T10:32:58 < qyx> otherwise the diff pair carries 28 V DC
2025-05-29T10:38:54 < qyx> AI frient thinks caps should be at the phy, L at the power injection point, diff routing between them
2025-05-29T10:41:25 < machinehum> I know 
2025-05-29T10:41:30 < machinehum> Excuse me
2025-05-29T10:42:08 < machinehum> I knew a guy that was traveling through Cuba, ended up in a hospital and they use coathangers as light switches
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2025-05-29T10:42:51 < machinehum> qyx: Your link isn't working for me
2025-05-29T10:42:59 < qyx> just click "okay"
2025-05-29T10:43:02 < qyx> it is zyp approved
2025-05-29T10:43:34 < qyx> lol cuba
2025-05-29T10:43:50 < machinehum> Perhaps you blocked requests from .ch to keep jbo out
2025-05-29T10:49:36 < qyx> https://www.we-online.com/files/pdf1/rd041b_design-of-a-single-pair-ethernet-system-with-power-over-data-lines-spoe-v1.pdf
2025-05-29T10:49:39 < qyx> gross, page 9
2025-05-29T10:51:23 < qyx> also, again, GDT over powered input/output
2025-05-29T10:51:35 < c10ud_> why change layer? (honest q)
2025-05-29T10:52:47 < qyx> where?
2025-05-29T10:53:05 < qyx> my picture?
2025-05-29T10:55:27 < c10ud_> y
2025-05-29T10:56:05 < qyx> hm I needed to mirror/swap P/N
2025-05-29T10:58:15 < c10ud_> ha right, didn't catch that 
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2025-05-29T12:15:54 < tpbsd> wow, this VScode with copilot is pretty slick, I see why people like it
2025-05-29T12:16:49 < tpbsd> copilot had no clue about my bug, but suggested I run strace and doing it led me to the issue
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2025-05-29T17:37:17 < bitmask> halo
2025-05-29T17:40:06 < fentyl> this is a long distance call service of british telecom
2025-05-29T17:44:32 < Steffanx> Gooday sir. Have your report ready?
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2025-05-29T18:59:41 < bitmask> oh my report! 
2025-05-29T18:59:43 < bitmask> it gone boom
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2025-05-29T20:11:50 < fentyl> so, the folks from embedded recipes launched a contest to bet who will be the first company to get fined by CRA
2025-05-29T20:22:02 < Steffanx> lol
2025-05-29T20:26:39 < Steffanx> will it be something running that creepy os?
2025-05-29T20:30:17 < fentyl> probably not. nobody would run it voluntarily
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2025-05-29T22:07:43 < Posterdati> hi
2025-05-29T22:08:17 < Posterdati> is it possible to generate code for OpenSTLinux with stm32cubeide?
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2025-05-29T22:44:00 < Posterdati> I'm trying to use iio for adc watchdog
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2025-05-29T22:56:56 < jpa-> why generate, why not just write?
2025-05-29T22:57:38 < jpa-> you need to maintain and debug the code anyway, if you generate a huge stinking pile of crap, how are you going to do that?
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2025-05-29T23:15:38 < Steffanx> Such late our for jpa- to write such message
2025-05-29T23:20:49 < fentyl> remember this moment: I am going to boot windows. voluntarily. and nobody pays me to do so.
2025-05-29T23:26:26 < qyx> liebe pros, I am trying to store some calibration data
2025-05-29T23:27:24 < qyx> yesterday night I came to a conclusion that formally it is a n-dimensional sparse matrix of cells, each cell containing calibration data
2025-05-29T23:28:18 < qyx> with axes being eg. device/adc, channel, gain, AFE configuration, excitation voltage, etc.
2025-05-29T23:28:42 < qyx> every possible configuration value of the sampling/conversion with the ability to affect the result
2025-05-29T23:29:36 < qyx> the mcu then selects "is there any calibration data for gain settings? if yes, is there any for this gain?"
2025-05-29T23:30:00 < qyx> "was it calibrated for different exc voltages? if yes, was it calibrated for 2.5 V?"
2025-05-29T23:30:04 < qyx> etc.
2025-05-29T23:30:12 < qyx> tie actual question is, how to store this sparse matrix
2025-05-29T23:34:48 < qyx> oh and if the answer is "store it as coordinates: value", the next question is how to search the table
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2025-05-30T00:03:48 < zyp> what do you mean by search?
2025-05-30T00:05:37 < qyx> how to lookup the specific cell having the coordinates
2025-05-30T00:06:17 < zyp> why do you need to do that? as in what sort of access pattern are you optimizing for?
2025-05-30T00:07:05 < qyx> I plan to have that data structure in flash as an immutable blob, signed
2025-05-30T00:07:18 < qyx> on firmware boot, I create a "view" of the data
2025-05-30T00:07:29 < qyx> select the axis for eg. "adc1"
2025-05-30T00:07:41 < qyx> then setup excitation, select axis for "2.5V excitation"
2025-05-30T00:07:44 < qyx> then run the sampling
2025-05-30T00:08:02 < qyx> the sampling process selects axis for "channel 0", read calib data, applies to the current value
2025-05-30T00:08:13 < qyx> then reselect axis for "channel 1", etc
2025-05-30T00:08:22 < qyx> then after 8 channels, select back channel 0
2025-05-30T00:08:36 < qyx> if a configuration request arrives to select another gain
2025-05-30T00:08:44 < qyx> it selects the axis for "gain 32x"
2025-05-30T00:08:56 < qyx> and otherwise continues normally, select channel 0, 1, 2... 0
2025-05-30T00:10:10 < qyx> so I would say only the last axis needs to be accessible with O(1) and that could be done optimized when the blob is created
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2025-05-30T00:36:17 < zyp> oh, right, so effectively you'll be looking up a scalar, not multiplying the matrix with a vector? I think I had the wrong mental model
2025-05-30T00:37:41 < zyp> and if I'm reading you right, it's not necessarily sparse, just that uncalibrated coordinates will be 1 (or 0 if it's additive compensation)
2025-05-30T00:38:11 < qyx> not strictly the same, but yes
2025-05-30T00:38:29 < zyp> have you considered just making it dense?
2025-05-30T00:38:43 < qyx> no
2025-05-30T00:39:03 < qyx> ok, not that bad idea tbh
2025-05-30T00:39:41 < zyp> if the size isn't prohibitive, just do it
2025-05-30T00:39:49 < qyx> but not all axes are enums
2025-05-30T00:39:57 < qyx> excitation voltage is not, for example
2025-05-30T00:40:53 < zyp> how do you figure the lookup will work if it's not?
2025-05-30T00:41:21 < qyx> good point, I would need to select some effectively making it enum
2025-05-30T00:41:45 < zyp> is this something like «well, it's effectively an enum, but with options for every millivolt in the range A..B»
2025-05-30T00:42:08 < qyx> yes
2025-05-30T00:42:36 < qyx> ok so it boils down into a ndarray type shit
2025-05-30T00:43:09 < zyp> nah, you're still overthinking it
2025-05-30T00:43:24 < zyp> it's still just nested structs/arrays
2025-05-30T00:45:02 < zyp> if you need sparse, like that mV thing, just make it an array of pairs, where the first member of the pair is the key and the second is the value, store it sorted and do a binary search
2025-05-30T00:45:12 < qyx> yes but no nested
2025-05-30T00:45:51 < qyx> if it was strictly nested structs/arrays, i could easily just stuff that thing into a cbor, name every descendant with a specific key, eg. "axis": "gain" and consider it done
2025-05-30T00:46:04 < qyx> but the thing is I want to select axes arbitrarily
2025-05-30T00:46:14 < qyx> not stricly in the hierarchy the structure was initially defined
2025-05-30T00:47:00 < qyx> I want to do cal[gain=4][exc=2.5][channel=0]
2025-05-30T00:47:16 < qyx> but also cal[exc=2.5][gain=4][channel=0]
2025-05-30T00:47:20 < zyp> yeah?
2025-05-30T00:47:25 < qyx> and that's the problem I am trying to solve
2025-05-30T00:47:26 < zyp> why?
2025-05-30T00:47:34 < zyp> what's the difference?
2025-05-30T00:48:17 < qyx> there should be no difference but API-wise it poses a problem
2025-05-30T00:48:40 < qyx> if I select gain in the first step and the next nested struct is something else, it fails
2025-05-30T00:48:57 < zyp> why does steps matter?
2025-05-30T00:49:26 < qyx> how would you access the hierarchy if they don't?
2025-05-30T00:50:22 < qyx> I would need to remember indexes for every axis, until the actual read is made
2025-05-30T00:50:36 < qyx> and order them before the read
2025-05-30T00:50:45 < qyx> to be in the same order as the structs/arrays are nested
2025-05-30T00:51:00 < zyp> maybe you should rethink the whole approach of having a single calibration value for each combination of conditions, and instead do composite corrections based on each condition individually
2025-05-30T00:51:36 < zyp> qyx, I don't understand why that's a problem
2025-05-30T00:56:13 < zyp> have you thought about how you'd solve this in e.g. python on a regular computer? what approach would you take there?
2025-05-30T00:57:10 < zyp> I often use a dict with a tuple key when I need to do sparse multidimensional stuff
2025-05-30T00:57:32 < zyp> which is effectively a hashmap with a tuple key
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2025-05-30T00:58:15 < zyp> but you don't need a hashmap if it's a readonly blob, you can just sort it by key and do a binary search
2025-05-30T00:58:30 < qyx> wait what
2025-05-30T00:58:47 < qyx> I can transform the thing into a one dimensional table
2025-05-30T00:59:01 < qyx> with the keys combined together as you say and a single value?
2025-05-30T00:59:51 < zyp> well, duh, a multidimensional array in C is just a one dimensional array with some index translation
2025-05-30T01:00:13 < qyx> I am not thinking in C structs now
2025-05-30T01:00:40 < qyx> but with this approach it can be sparse
2025-05-30T01:00:45 < zyp> yes
2025-05-30T01:01:07 < qyx> I can also hash the keys during creation
2025-05-30T01:01:16 < qyx> check for conflicts
2025-05-30T01:01:23 < zyp> I often use that trick for advent of code shit where you have to build maps of stuff
2025-05-30T01:01:28 < qyx> and use the hasl value only, do not even save the literal key
2025-05-30T01:02:03 < qyx> if a conflict occurs during creation, just increase the hash size
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2025-05-30T01:08:11 < qyx> ok thank you zyp 
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2025-05-30T07:48:00 < tpbsd> my new Forth IDE, it's all in the one app, SWD terminal with history and tab completion, source editor, searchable CMSIS-SVD popup (all for STM32 dev) https://sourceforge.net/projects/mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc/files/forth-ide.png/download
2025-05-30T07:48:50 < tpbsd> basically it's Neovim
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2025-05-30T08:11:14 < jpa-> qyx: if you'd have a filesystem or key-value store, the answer would be trivial (just store in a file per specific config, like "CAL25_32"), load that once and reload if the gain or excitation voltage setting changes
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2025-05-30T10:31:37 < Posterdati> hi
2025-05-30T10:32:10 < Posterdati> please help, is it possible to protgram adc watchdog on stm32mp157d using iio? Thanks!
2025-05-30T10:52:51 < qyx> jpa-: ok I actually have both but I was somehow fixed in the process
2025-05-30T10:53:23 < qyx> like, having the calibration written after EOL when the firmware is not yet flashed
2025-05-30T10:53:29 < qyx> *production firmware
2025-05-30T10:55:23 < jpa-> you could also consider fitting some functions, like with hash you can calculate how close the fit is before you save the calibration
2025-05-30T10:57:00 < qyx> ug I don't follow
2025-05-30T11:01:52 < jpa-> fit a multi-dimensional polynomial to the calibration points you have, and check that it is close enough to the values you have actually measured
2025-05-30T11:07:23 < qyx> yeah "calibration data" is usually a, b, c of a second-order poly
2025-05-30T11:07:32 < qyx> calibration script makes the fit
2025-05-30T11:09:31 < jpa-> but you can make it multi-dimensional poly over excitation voltages (maybe doesn't make sense to do it over gains because they are discrete)
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2025-05-30T13:23:01 < qyx> oh
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2025-05-30T16:04:42 < karlp> wheee.... "bool success = EXIT_SUCCESS" :)
2025-05-30T16:05:13 < karlp> it's a wonder anything ever works around here sometimes...
2025-05-30T16:05:42 < tpbsd> I know exactly how you feel!
2025-05-30T16:08:50 < karlp> https://godbolt.org/z/a6d3Y84eo
2025-05-30T16:10:35  * karlp screams
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2025-05-31T00:14:45 < bitmask> test
2025-05-31T00:15:08 < tpbsd> reading you bitmask 
2025-05-31T00:15:09 < bitmask> (I'm determined to fix my (dis)connection issues)
2025-05-31T00:16:22 < bitmask> switched to ipv4 and a couple other settings, if not i'll try a different server, if all else fails i might set up a znc bouncer
2025-05-31T00:16:55 < bitmask> because I always have stm related stuff to say :P
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2025-05-31T00:18:01 < tpbsd> bitmask, when I ve had similar network issues in the past I found it helpful to set up a MRTG graph from pinging my upstream hosts
2025-05-31T00:18:26 < tpbsd> it's useful to determine long term changes as well
2025-05-31T00:19:00 < bitmask> interesting
2025-05-31T00:19:19 < bitmask> I also have a shitty isp that I went with specifically because the price was so much better so there is that
2025-05-31T00:19:32 < tpbsd> you can do it on a rpi if needed
2025-05-31T00:20:06 < tpbsd> and less cost is always less reliability as I have found also
2025-05-31T00:20:19 < bitmask> yup
2025-05-31T00:20:52 < tpbsd> I have a tight budget atm so Im on cellphone Internet in australia
2025-05-31T00:22:03 < tpbsd> but I also have a Starlink set up (they were selling broken units cheap so I bought one for $200 and repaired it) and it's a million times better, but $100 a month more than the cheaper cellphone Internet
2025-05-31T00:22:35 < tpbsd> I dream of getting back to the starlink terminal
2025-05-31T00:23:17 < bitmask> I was about to sign up for verizon fios 300Mb symmetrical which would have been fine and good quality and I have verizon cell phone but this cable company was offering cellphone and 1 gig internet for like 50 a month with two cell lines. with verizon it all would have been over 200
2025-05-31T00:24:48 < bitmask> what kind of speeds do you get with starlink?
2025-05-31T00:25:38 < tpbsd> the max my inhouse wifi can do which is about 100mb/s down
2025-05-31T00:26:11 < tpbsd> a starlink - starlink speed test used to say around 350mbps
2025-05-31T00:26:12 < bitmask> not bad
2025-05-31T00:26:55 < bitmask> they haven't even started launching the V3s
2025-05-31T00:27:20 < bitmask> not sure if that will help user speeds or just capacity but thats pretty impressive
2025-05-31T00:27:38 < tpbsd> so If I could be bothered to set up a gb network cable to it I could probably get that, but what use is it ? many hosts wont do those speeds to online clients ?
2025-05-31T00:28:49 < tpbsd> I struggle to get much speed when updating Linux packages etc, their servers are probably overloaded and on a budget being floss
2025-05-31T00:29:44 < tpbsd> I have been using VSCode and Copilot on Linux a lot lately, and the copilot response is pretty good, even via cellphone
2025-05-31T00:30:34 < tpbsd> I guess if I had a 350mbs link to a Claude Sonnet AI and a $1000 a month usage account it would be pretty good
2025-05-31T00:31:15 < tpbsd> on top of the starlink costs which are low for the performance I get
2025-05-31T00:39:15 < bitmask> yea, really depends on your use case. I may or may not download a lot of episodic and feature length videos ;) so the speed definitely helps there
2025-05-31T00:39:37 < bitmask> though not nearly as much as I used to
2025-05-31T00:40:27 < tpbsd> same here
2025-05-31T00:40:56 < tpbsd> there are a lot of big and awesome free documentaries online :)
2025-05-31T00:41:07 < bitmask> :)
2025-05-31T00:41:45 < tpbsd> the series of older Tektronix repair/calibration videos etc
2025-05-31T00:42:02 < tpbsd> spacex missions
2025-05-31T00:42:58 < bitmask> I've been downloading to my new macbook pro ssd which is killing me everytime I hit download and wasting a write cycle. I gotta set up my media server, I actually want to get a nas
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2025-05-31T00:43:30 < bitmask> I don't know how bad it really is for current gen ssds though
2025-05-31T00:43:47 < tpbsd> I havent had one fail yet, but theyre slow
2025-05-31T00:45:11 < bitmask> I want to get an external 2 or 4 TB for LLMs and stuff, AI models take up so much space
2025-05-31T00:45:28 < tpbsd> I bought a 1TB 'slow' NVME recently (its full already) and that thing is blazing fast in comparison
2025-05-31T00:46:44 < bitmask> I saw a test and mbp with thunderbolt 5 nvme external has same speed as the internal. I don't need that but it is pretty awesome
2025-05-31T00:46:44 < tpbsd> they do, I run qwen2.5-coder:32 localy on this Ryzen 3600 with a single RTX3060 card and 64GB ram
2025-05-31T00:47:05 < tpbsd> and I use it *all* the time
2025-05-31T00:47:23 < bitmask> yea I have the 64GB unified ram. Ive mostly messed with local image models but I want to get into more
2025-05-31T00:48:03 < tpbsd> my image is 19GB and slow about 1.5 words a secomd
2025-05-31T00:49:02 < tpbsd> but I have purchased a new mobo with two PCIE slots and a second RTX3060. They have 12GB Vram each so that should speed it up
2025-05-31T00:49:26 < jbo> what are we complaining about today?
2025-05-31T00:50:24 < tpbsd> we arent complaining, it's a wonderful day, I found my sqlite3 loss of index problem yesterday. all is good :)
2025-05-31T00:50:37 < jbo> glad to hear that :)
2025-05-31T00:51:12 < tpbsd> Ive redone the layout of my 'svd2db' popup content in neovim, I'm happy
2025-05-31T00:52:32 < bitmask> ahh 32b just wont fit into my ram
2025-05-31T00:52:38 < bitmask> have to use quantized
2025-05-31T00:52:52 < tpbsd> mow it's much easier to paste bitfield bits to be left shifted or register absolute addresses with easy access to the names and descriptions straight from the SVD
2025-05-31T00:53:10 < tpbsd> bitmask, damn
2025-05-31T00:53:13 < bitmask> wait
2025-05-31T00:53:19 < bitmask> did I read it wrong
2025-05-31T00:53:26 < bitmask> how much ram does it use
2025-05-31T00:53:42 < bitmask> oh is that the 19gb you were referring to?
2025-05-31T00:54:21 < tpbsd> Im not sure, but I can even run 70:b models of deepseek R1 here (glacially slow) and it works
2025-05-31T00:54:22 < bitmask> the safetensors files are 65gb
2025-05-31T00:55:03 < tpbsd> yeah qwen2.5-coder:32b is a 19GB image
2025-05-31T00:55:08 < tpbsd> wow
2025-05-31T00:55:42 < tpbsd> one definitely needs high bandwidth and quota when dl AI images
2025-05-31T00:56:03 < bitmask> ok nvm it will fit easily then
2025-05-31T00:56:07 < tpbsd> I cant even get anything bigger than about 4GB via the cellphone Internet
2025-05-31T00:56:09 < bitmask> let me try downloading it
2025-05-31T00:56:44 < tpbsd> but starlink easily 40GB files no problem
2025-05-31T00:58:23 < bitmask> so 8 bit I should get almost 14 tokens per second
2025-05-31T00:58:48 < tpbsd> thats bearable
2025-05-31T00:58:52 < bitmask> definitely
2025-05-31T00:59:06 < tpbsd> but what about loss of knowledge ?
2025-05-31T00:59:37 < tpbsd> qwen2.5-coder:32b is the bare minumum I'll use for thesedays
2025-05-31T00:59:57 < tpbsd> anything less is like asking my ex wife ... totally clueless
2025-05-31T01:00:07 < bitmask> 72B at 4 bit is 10 tps
2025-05-31T01:00:13 < bitmask> or 11
2025-05-31T01:00:20 < tpbsd> even thats ok
2025-05-31T01:00:43 < bitmask> yea definitely worth the speed decrease
2025-05-31T01:00:59 < tpbsd> Ive actually become quite used to 1.5 words a minute. I just do something else and check bacl later
2025-05-31T01:01:33 < tpbsd> it's no worse than compiling Openoffice was 1 decade ago ;-)
2025-05-31T01:02:31 < tpbsd> mine is thinking hard coming up with how to convert upper to lowercase using XLST 1.0
2025-05-31T01:02:56 < tpbsd> the cpu fan is currently taking off while it's doing that
2025-05-31T01:04:22 < tpbsd> if it doesnt have a food solution I'll ask chatcpt via VScode
2025-05-31T01:04:30 < tpbsd> fppd = good
2025-05-31T01:06:13 < bitmask> why does qwen3 go from 30B to 308B
2025-05-31T01:06:20 < bitmask> sorry 235B
2025-05-31T01:06:54 < lemmi> qwen3 is a whole family of models
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2025-05-31T01:08:15 < lemmi> the 30b-moe model is quite useful. very fast, even on cpu and still gets most basic text tasks done. 
2025-05-31T01:11:06 < lemmi> and surprisingly it still works fine on 4-bit quantisation. at least the unsloth version is still good
2025-05-31T01:17:29 < tpbsd> Ive only found Claude-Sonnet-3.7 better at coding so far but thats expensive and online
2025-05-31T01:18:22 < tpbsd> for eveything else inc smaller coding assist qwen2.5-coder:32b is my chosen AI
2025-05-31T01:18:34 < tpbsd> or Copilot as it's cheap now
2025-05-31T01:21:51 < lemmi> i tried the vibe coding thing recently. i was not impressed. even the easiest task i could think of were impossible for even the largest models. i have yet to try what happens for when i only use them for completion. 
2025-05-31T01:22:48 < lemmi> otherwise they are pretty useful, the occational stupid question you can't find the answer to in the internet, because you don't know the right words yet, or "proofread this, make this into markdown" works well
2025-05-31T01:24:22 < tpbsd> lemmi, Im a retired electronics technician, not a programmer tho I program ok in assembly,perl,XSLT,html,laTex,Tex, and a few others but I always need lots of help/books when doing so
2025-05-31T01:25:02 < lemmi> yeah, they work well with those tasks
2025-05-31T01:25:06 < tpbsd> lemmi, Ive gone from the most skeptical AI person to a devoted user as a result
2025-05-31T01:26:01 < tpbsd> for instance Ive just finished a neovim plugin popup that uses my 'svd2db' sqlite3 database and it's working perfectly
2025-05-31T01:26:26 < tpbsd> lemmi, the choice was 'vibe code' or dont do it ... ever
2025-05-31T01:27:04 < lemmi> for my usecases, vibe coding was "not doing it". just a waste of compute in my case
2025-05-31T01:27:48 < tpbsd> apologies for the crappy interface to see this pic but I'm between PC's atm and cant access the easy picture access on my site : https://sourceforge.net/projects/mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc/files/nvim-ide2.png
2025-05-31T01:28:15 < tpbsd> thats what Ive built, I use it for Forth coding on embedded
2025-05-31T01:28:48 < tpbsd> it's a IDE of sorts containing the terminal, the svd pop up and the code editor
2025-05-31T01:29:21 < lemmi> i guess a lot of success stories are just because people wanted something that was done already thousand times over and over and enough examples existed already in the wild. my problems tend to be a little more specific it seems
2025-05-31T01:31:03 < tpbsd> yeah, probably, but when it comes to programming there are million of people cranking out code every day, so lots of source to use as training data ?
2025-05-31T01:32:24 < tpbsd> hardware and mechanical is another story entirely, tho I asked my AI to describe a 'self oscillating inverter using a transformer and NPN BJT's' and it was a perfect description
2025-05-31T01:32:47 < lemmi> and if you happen to have a "problem" which was already solved over and over, your chances are pretty high to have success with current models
2025-05-31T01:32:49 < bitmask> yea I agree, AI coding doesn't help me all that much. It can handle basic things but when you need a specific structure with multiple classes and arranging things well, it just doesn't work
2025-05-31T01:33:10 < tpbsd> way better than one will get from hobbyists thesedays
2025-05-31T01:33:15 < qyx> I stoppedusing any ai for that
2025-05-31T01:33:20 < qyx> it makes me code slower
2025-05-31T01:33:50 < tpbsd> real programmers dont need AI for coding, only retired electronics techs like me !
2025-05-31T01:33:51 < qyx> it makes up too much shit to make me happy
2025-05-31T01:33:52 < bitmask> I might use it to see an example of how something works, but I wouldn't use its code in my app
2025-05-31T01:34:00 < qyx> and I am losing my time correcting that
2025-05-31T01:34:29 < lemmi> i think it might work well on repetetive tasks, when i already prepared a working blueprint and i just need to convert some specification into more tests for example
2025-05-31T01:34:43 < tpbsd> in my case I just want a software solution for my embedded electronics toolset
2025-05-31T01:35:06 < tpbsd> Ai is awesome for doc, thats for sure
2025-05-31T01:35:53 < tpbsd> Ive already started including 'how this works' doc at the end of my Forth source files because the AI is so good at it
2025-05-31T01:35:56 < lemmi> yes. they arae awesome for actual language stuff
2025-05-31T01:36:54 < tpbsd> one could retroactively get a AI to do that thru all their designs going back decades, actually adding very useful user doc
2025-05-31T01:37:17 < tpbsd> all in the background, quietly
2025-05-31T01:37:53 < tpbsd> and as we all know, programmers mostly HATE doing doc and theyre bad at it
2025-05-31T01:38:11 < tpbsd> so a AI is a godsend to them there
2025-05-31T01:38:39 < tpbsd> I actually love doing doc, but a AI is simply *better* than  me, much better
2025-05-31T01:39:46 < tpbsd> I have had lots of programmers beg me over the years to do their project doc, but it's too time consuming, however now that problem is solved forever
2025-05-31T01:40:41 < tpbsd> lol, in a way AI and I proves the old truism 'two heads are better than one'
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2025-05-31T07:54:39 < tpbsd> I think I finished this round of my neovim ide for STM32 with Forth: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mecrisp-stellaris-folkdoc/files/ide-forth-3.png
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2025-05-31T09:02:01 < aandrew> too bad it's up on sourceforge, it's a true shame how awful that site has become
2025-05-31T09:04:26 < tpbsd> SF has freely hosted my Forth doc site for many years. I have no complaints
2025-05-31T09:05:08 < tpbsd> I could still be wasting my money on a paid site, theyve saved me plenty
2025-05-31T09:06:04 < aandrew> I can appreciate that, I'm not making any demands or criticisms of your choices, but as someone on "the other side" I pretty must just close the browser tab if I accidentally open a sourceforge link
2025-05-31T09:06:25 < aandrew> even that pic link is nothing but ads and garbage and then doesn't *display* the pic, it wants me to download it
2025-05-31T09:06:37 < aandrew> that's not something you did wrong, it's just how absolute dogshit sourceforge is
2025-05-31T09:07:20 < tpbsd> it's ok, I dont take your criticism personally
2025-05-31T09:07:23 < aandrew> on the subject of forth, there are some really neat forth projects I bump into from time to time
2025-05-31T09:07:45 < qyx> I am not even trying to open sf links anymore
2025-05-31T09:07:48 < aandrew> I know nothing about the language but it sure does have a very loyal following
2025-05-31T09:08:01 < tpbsd> I still get about 6 downloads of my old "bluepill diags' every day, it's well over ten thousand now
2025-05-31T09:08:36 < aandrew> I've seen HDL implementations of native forth executing processors and even massively parallel versions of the same
2025-05-31T09:08:54 < tpbsd> it was very popular back in the day to find out which cpu was actually in a Bluepill
2025-05-31T09:09:01 < Posterdati> hi
2025-05-31T09:09:26 < tpbsd> I only run Forth on small stm32 cortex-m myself
2025-05-31T09:09:49 < aandrew> I've been looking more and more at emulated systems on microcontrollers
2025-05-31T09:09:58 < tpbsd> I have no need for speed, only reliability and a useful mcu
2025-05-31T09:10:08 < Posterdati> please help I'm trying to compile a simple hello world c++23 program for stm32mp157d-dk1, this is what I've got executing the program on the borad: 0xb6f36b08 in std::ostream::sentry::sentry(std::ostream&) () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6
2025-05-31T09:10:11 < Posterdati> thanks
2025-05-31T09:10:45 < aandrew> makeblocks.fun is the current one I've been looking at recently. meant to be for stem type stuff but it has some interesting applications as a virtualized microcontroller environment that is both hardware agnostic but offering hardware acceleration for virtualized peripherals
2025-05-31T09:11:05 < aandrew> Posterdati: I don't know C++, I couldn't even begin to help with that, sorry
2025-05-31T09:12:41 < tpbsd> Posterdati, youd get better help from a AI I suspect, or at least a dozen suggestion to investigate
2025-05-31T09:14:13 < tpbsd> Ive been using Copilot lately to try and solve some stuff, it's built into VSCode now and one can get a free account on Github for it, it's very impressive
2025-05-31T09:14:49 < tpbsd> Posterdati, that would be the best help source for you  I suspect
2025-05-31T09:15:12 < aandrew> I haven't done anything like that, but I have used perplexity a few times and it's done some pretty great work at boilerplate generation and even more complex things but still boilerplate-y
2025-05-31T09:15:50 < aandrew> e.g. I had it write a python script which analyzed a .wav file and detected DTMF tones, outputting timestamp of start/end of each tone
2025-05-31T09:15:57 < tpbsd> aandrew, yes, theyre all similar, the expensive ones like Claude-Sonnet are pretty good in my experience
2025-05-31T09:16:19 < aandrew> it chose fft to do it which was what I expected for a naive approach, but then I said "use a goertzel filter instead" and it did that flawlessly too
2025-05-31T09:16:41 < tpbsd> I had claude design the nvim plugin in my picture above, works incredibly well
2025-05-31T09:16:44 < aandrew> asking it to implement some basic thresholding and enforcing twist to increase reliability was very straightforward as well
2025-05-31T09:17:27 < aandrew> but then when i asked it to write a new wav file with cue points for the detected tones it completely failed. had it port ot c so I could actually work on it too and it still failed, outright lying about plenty of things
2025-05-31T09:17:37 < tpbsd> then i had copilot tell me how to alter a popup window to use a split database query and that worked first time as well
2025-05-31T09:17:57 < aandrew> I got it working on my own using the goertzel detection method but there are definitely hard limits it runs against and they're hard to detect until you're into it
2025-05-31T09:18:24 < tpbsd> Ive found that they 'hallucinate' badly when they dont actually know the answer unless I instruct "no guessing'
2025-05-31T09:18:31 < aandrew> I did similar things with a power transformer design -- the best thing to do there is to have it show its work because it lies through its goddamned teeth about quite a few things, but with the work shown it's easy to check/fix
2025-05-31T09:18:58 < tpbsd> agreed, AI is not a replacement for anyone, but it makes a darn good assistant in my case
2025-05-31T09:20:45 < aandrew> I liken it to a smart but inexperienced intern who does not know when it's making shit up. it's very much untrustworthy 
2025-05-31T09:20:58 < tpbsd> aandrew, I had qwen2.5-coder:32b 'describe a self oscillating inverter that uses NPN transistors' once and the description was perfect, I was very impressed
2025-05-31T09:21:20 < tpbsd> aandrew, thats a good desription I think
2025-05-31T09:21:36 < tpbsd> but "dont guess" stops that Ive found
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2025-05-31T09:21:44 < aandrew> yeah it's a valuable asset for doing research tasks but you have to always verify what it says. I would be very uncomfortable using it for anything that I don't have experience with
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2025-05-31T09:22:02 < tpbsd> for sure
2025-05-31T09:22:23 < aandrew> I have to try some of these things with a "don't guess" prompt. I've been using "check your work" and "show your work" but it's frustrating when it says "yep I've checked and it's good" and it's very obviously not
2025-05-31T09:22:43 < aandrew> anyway, time for bed here, nice chat tonight, thanks
2025-05-31T09:22:59 < tpbsd> but it's a very handy assistant Ive found in so many ways. one of my best resources here now
2025-05-31T09:23:15 < tpbsd> same. thanks for the chat aandrew 
2025-05-31T09:35:57 < Posterdati> seems that std::cout is null! :(
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2025-05-31T09:53:50 < Posterdati> that's why I hate cross compiling
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2025-05-31T18:04:53 < qyx> hey weekend innovates
2025-05-31T18:05:35 < Steffanx> What's brewing?
2025-05-31T18:06:47 < qyx> *Innovationalists
2025-05-31T18:07:16 < qyx> thinking about a FSBL with root of trust
2025-05-31T18:07:45 < qyx> how would you authenticate the bootloader without using async crypto?
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2025-05-31T20:14:01 < qyx> wait what I can write-lock the bootloader before jumping to the app code
2025-05-31T20:14:50 < qyx> or better the sooner the better, before any of the comms protocols are started
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2025-05-31T23:07:12 < zyp> the first stage bootloader might very well be the root of trust
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2025-05-31T23:10:09 < zyp> and I say first stage, because if you have to have an immutable bootloader it may be a good idea to split the bootloader into an immutable first stage that only verifies the second stage, and an upgradable second stage
2025-05-31T23:10:16 < jbo> zyp
2025-05-31T23:10:27 < zyp> sup
2025-05-31T23:10:32 < jbo> not much, there?
2025-05-31T23:11:29 < qyx> zyp: how would you auth the ssbl?
2025-05-31T23:12:09 < zyp> preferably with async crypto
2025-05-31T23:12:12 < zyp> :D
2025-05-31T23:12:16 < qyx> (apart from the obvious method using async crypto)
2025-05-31T23:13:06 < zyp> how does your threat model look?
2025-05-31T23:15:08 < qyx> considering a non-local attacker (that is, without a physical access)
2025-05-31T23:15:41 < qyx> also considering full device leaks including keys
2025-05-31T23:16:07 < qyx> from a (possibly) local device
2025-05-31T23:17:58 < qyx> the only viable attack is a remote one tamperig the device to induce computed measurement errors
2025-05-31T23:18:49 < zyp> well, if you need to guard against full device leaks, asymmetric crypto is the only way, by keeping private keys entirely off the devices
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2025-05-31T23:19:40 < zyp> otherwise you can mitigate the scope of a leak by using unique keys per device, but that sounds pretty annoying to deal with
2025-05-31T23:20:16 < zyp> so I advise thinking hard about whether asym crypto is really off the table or not
2025-05-31T23:21:10 < qyx> the only other possibility I can think of is to store hash of the ssbl in the fsbl and allow uodating it in a secure manner when the ssbl is uodated/flashed
2025-05-31T23:21:23 < jbo> per-device key sucks hard
2025-05-31T23:21:25 < jbo> had to do that once
2025-05-31T23:21:27 < jbo> major PITA
2025-05-31T23:21:48 < jbo> why would async crypto be off the table, if I may ask?
2025-05-31T23:22:48 < qyx> it is not off the table but it still doesn't solve the primary problem of updating the ssbl keys, unless doing full PKI
2025-05-31T23:23:36 < qyx> also, the smallest practical implementation of a async verify algo is >2K and exceptionally slow
2025-05-31T23:27:27 < qyx> a practical solution would be an external TPM-like chip offering two baseic services: authenticating arbitrary blob using its internal key store, and an API to uodate the key store securely from the application
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2025-05-31T23:43:44 < qyx> keep in mind the fsbl doesn't need to authenticate the firmware, it merely performs an integrity check
2025-05-31T23:43:59 < qyx> in a cryptographically secure way
2025-05-31T23:53:10 < Posterdati> is anyone able to create images for OpenSTLinux scarthgap with bitbake?
2025-05-31T23:53:33 < Posterdati> compilation failed at the end due to a problem with alsa :(
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