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2012-08-01T05:58:14 < zippe> I can't even begin to understand how they screwed up the CCM so badly
2012-08-01T06:03:32 < dongs> why?
2012-08-01T06:03:34 < dongs> whats wrong with it
2012-08-01T06:09:35 < zippe> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Attachments/22412/2012_STM32%20Technical%20Updates%20-%20Issue%201.pdf
2012-08-01T06:10:01 < zippe> Apparently "arbitration" means you're slower running code in flash, data in CCM than data in SRAM1
2012-08-01T06:10:23 < zippe> Instead of being the fast RAM, the CCM is the slow RAM
2012-08-01T06:10:51 < dongs> right :(
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2012-08-01T06:43:22 < bcsllc-steve> unmmmm
2012-08-01T06:43:28 < bcsllc-steve> did ST change thier site
2012-08-01T06:43:34 < bcsllc-steve> for the better ?
2012-08-01T06:43:47 < bcsllc-steve> I found all the manuals for the F0 chip on one page
2012-08-01T06:43:51 < bcsllc-steve> seemed easy
2012-08-01T06:44:22 < bcsllc-steve> real easy
2012-08-01T06:48:08 < bcsllc-steve> Davison or Davidson ?
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2012-08-01T06:48:09 < Oldboy> its a trap
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2012-08-01T07:37:37 < dongs> zippe, instructions from flash via I bus, CCM via the D bus & SRAM via the SBUS. As long as you don't read data from flash, you should be ok.
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2012-08-01T07:50:46 < zippe> dongs: That's more or less impossible with literal pools
2012-08-01T07:51:20 < zippe> dongs: in reality it's not like you're pounding both, but still it sounds like their fabric sucks
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2012-08-01T08:37:48 < dongs> whats a literal pool?  constants ?
2012-08-01T08:39:04 < dongs> i wonder if ccm on f3 sucks less now that it can run code
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2012-08-01T08:56:59 < zippe> *blink(
2012-08-01T08:57:08 < zippe> A literal pool… is a pool of literals.
2012-08-01T08:57:28 < zippe> The ARM ISA doesn't support immediate values with many bits set.
2012-08-01T08:58:03 < zippe> So typically instead of using immediates, the compiler emits a pc-relative load and stuffs the actual constant into the space after the end of the function.
2012-08-01T08:58:28 < zyp> I still think that benchmark is a load of shit
2012-08-01T08:58:40 < zippe> It's less common with T2 due to movt being about as expensive, but still
2012-08-01T08:58:46 < zippe> zyp: it's totally synthetic
2012-08-01T08:59:06 < zippe> zyp: I'm just still amused that they could screw up their arbitration so much that they can actually measure a delay.
2012-08-01T08:59:36 < zyp> yeah, I was also confused about that part
2012-08-01T09:00:40 < zyp> I don't get why one master switching between several slaves need to cause a delay
2012-08-01T09:03:05 < zyp> and even then it should be dwarfed by the delay caused by several masters trying to access one slave
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2012-08-01T09:07:42 < dongs> zippe: thats what i meant.
2012-08-01T09:08:09 < dongs> zippe: so those are constants, and they're read from flash right.
2012-08-01T09:08:32 < zyp> yes
2012-08-01T09:50:27 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsGjWJAu2rI holy fucking TTS batman
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2012-08-01T10:07:37 < zippe> zyp: they may have done something retarded like a round-robin arbiter with limited empty queue skipping
2012-08-01T10:08:39 < zippe> zyp: but in all honesty, I'd have expected they'd just click the button that says PL301, edited the config and hit 'make'
2012-08-01T10:09:10 < zyp> there is not like CCM access have to be arbitrated anyway, it's single master only
2012-08-01T10:09:38 < zippe> zyp: well, the M3 doesn't have three ports on the bottom
2012-08-01T10:09:49 < zippe> So I, D and S are fabric concepts
2012-08-01T10:10:06 < zippe> Arbiter slots, effectively
2012-08-01T10:10:20 < zippe> But that's where it's a bit weird
2012-08-01T10:10:53 < zippe> Anyway, not like it matters beyond academia
2012-08-01T10:10:59 < zippe> I'll ask them if I ever get a chance
2012-08-01T10:11:22 < dongs> killing that performance
2012-08-01T10:11:30 < dongs> im gonna have to switch to atmel now
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2012-08-01T12:33:20 < dongs> zippe, so what do you know about tarnovsky other than he's a faggot
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2012-08-01T15:05:44 < Laurenceb> how do i read (ADC2+0x28+0x1C) in gdb?
2012-08-01T15:20:30 < dongs> christ, gdb can't do ADC2->somefail automatically?
2012-08-01T15:20:53 < Thorn> it can
2012-08-01T15:21:12 < Thorn> afair
2012-08-01T15:21:13 < dongs> then why isnt he using it
2012-08-01T15:24:08 < zyp> because Laurenceb is dumb
2012-08-01T15:25:53 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-01T15:25:59 < Laurenceb> fixed it now nvm
2012-08-01T15:28:57 < Laurenceb> got my thermistor working
2012-08-01T15:29:15 < Laurenceb> ~0.05C/lsb
2012-08-01T15:29:18 < Laurenceb> not bad
2012-08-01T15:45:07 < dongs> ur a lsb
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2012-08-01T15:58:16 < jpa-> i wonder why make & chibios makefile is terribly slow under windows & mingw32
2012-08-01T15:58:35 < jpa-> it's doing some fancy header dependency tracking with gcc, but it works much faster on linux
2012-08-01T16:04:20 < cjbaird> Try hitting the filesystem performance tuning blogs?
2012-08-01T16:06:58 <+dekar> jpa-, I often feel like there is something odd with GCC performance on windows
2012-08-01T16:07:19 <+dekar> though cygwin is worse than minGW
2012-08-01T16:07:22 < zyp> maybe related to cost of process spawning on windows
2012-08-01T16:07:52 < zyp> a lot of linux tools are written with cheap forks in mind
2012-08-01T16:08:46 <+dekar> zyp, I wonder how the performance is when you use native windows pthreads using the POSIX kernel extension microsoft offers
2012-08-01T16:09:09 < zyp> forks are not threads
2012-08-01T16:09:34 <+dekar> oh right, then fork peformance I guess
2012-08-01T16:09:37 < cjbaird> Is threading still the Windows/NT preference?
2012-08-01T16:10:44 <+dekar> "Microsoft POSIX subsystem, an optional Windows subsystem. Partial POSIX-1 — no threads, no sockets." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX#POSIX_for_Windows
2012-08-01T16:10:49 <+dekar> doesn't sound too great
2012-08-01T16:11:33 <+dekar> oh, that's different from "Windows services for UNIX"
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2012-08-01T16:11:44 <+dekar> I wonder how many people use those things anyway
2012-08-01T16:12:02 <+dekar> I just go for cygwin, it has a repository system and is pretty convenient
2012-08-01T16:12:38 < zyp> I just go for something non-windows
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2012-08-01T16:14:31 <+dekar> zyp, not an option for our customers
2012-08-01T16:14:33 < dongs> so, zyp
2012-08-01T16:14:39 < dongs> how did ST force those 6 different configs
2012-08-01T16:14:41 < dongs> during CCM testing
2012-08-01T16:14:46 < dongs> hand-written assembly?
2012-08-01T16:14:47 < dongs> or wat
2012-08-01T16:16:09 < zyp> mostly by defining where to put shit in the linker script
2012-08-01T16:16:50 < dongs> really?
2012-08-01T16:16:53 < zyp> and by choosing whether to map flash or sram to addr 0
2012-08-01T16:17:01 < zyp> well
2012-08-01T16:17:04 < zyp> as I understood it
2012-08-01T16:17:31 < zyp> I might be wrong, so don't take it as a definite fact
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2012-08-01T17:09:04 < dongs> so i got black & white sorta working http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b2e7kTVvDE
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2012-08-01T17:30:07 < Laurenceb> lol @ olympics
2012-08-01T17:30:18 < Laurenceb> why do they have a mens only hot tub with cameras
2012-08-01T17:30:25 < Laurenceb> its just slightly gay
2012-08-01T17:31:41 < dongs> whats more gay is you watching it
2012-08-01T17:31:46 < dongs> amiriete??
2012-08-01T17:32:33 < Laurenceb> http://chzbromania.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/guidos-bros-douchebags-fratboys-new-quiz-show-mens-olympic-diving-tournament-or-gay-prn1.jpg
2012-08-01T17:37:56 < karlp> huh, 470k resistors cost more than 270k resistors
2012-08-01T17:38:04 < karlp> theyðre charing per ohm now? good job farnell
2012-08-01T17:41:26 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-01T17:41:33 < Laurenceb> you expect the same price?!
2012-08-01T17:41:44 < Laurenceb> they will see different quantities
2012-08-01T17:44:02 < dongs> uh
2012-08-01T17:44:05 < dongs> farnell?
2012-08-01T17:44:06 < dongs> da fuq
2012-08-01T17:44:11 < dongs> a reel of 4k resistors @ digikey is $4
2012-08-01T17:44:13 < dongs> any value
2012-08-01T17:47:26 < Laurenceb> 1Tohm?
2012-08-01T17:48:43 < dongs> wAT
2012-08-01T17:48:56 < dongs> just leave 2 pads on pcb.
2012-08-01T17:49:01 < dongs> there's your 1tohm.
2012-08-01T17:50:22 < Laurenceb> untrue
2012-08-01T17:50:34 < Laurenceb> i have a 10Tohm resistor on my desk
2012-08-01T17:50:39 < dongs> really
2012-08-01T17:50:41 < dongs> what does it do
2012-08-01T17:50:44 < Laurenceb> its glass package
2012-08-01T17:50:46 < dongs> other than resisting
2012-08-01T17:51:00 < Laurenceb> sits collecting dust
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2012-08-01T18:01:09 < Laurenceb> wtf is vitae
2012-08-01T18:01:27 < Laurenceb> http://www.vitae.ac.uk/researchers/352951/Dr-Barrie-Hayes-Gill-Research-Director-Monica-Healthcare.html
2012-08-01T18:01:34 < Laurenceb> lolling - that guy is my boss
2012-08-01T18:01:43 < Laurenceb> learn 2 sentences
2012-08-01T18:01:58  * Laurenceb hands out ritalin
2012-08-01T18:02:12 < dongs> holy dicks
2012-08-01T18:02:19 < dongs> ... .... spews so much crap on low VHF
2012-08-01T18:02:29 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riPYrzXb2PA check that out
2012-08-01T18:03:37 < Laurenceb> dongs looking more tanned now
2012-08-01T18:04:22 < Laurenceb> maybe he went outside and spent less time in troll lair
2012-08-01T18:15:31 <+dekar> does it matter whether that emits some HF?
2012-08-01T18:17:40 < karlp> farnell has a local distributor
2012-08-01T18:18:10 < karlp> so when it turns out that work doesn't have the parts I wanted/expected to be able to "borrow" my choice were full real from digikey + shipping,
2012-08-01T18:18:17 < karlp> or just a few from the local guys
2012-08-01T18:22:50 < dongs> dekar: it kinda does if youre flying on 72MHz radio
2012-08-01T18:25:37 < karlp> cheapest I can find is $6.56 on digikey dongs, for 5000k 0603,
2012-08-01T18:25:42 < karlp> 0805 is a little more.
2012-08-01T18:25:47 < karlp> 5k, not 500k.
2012-08-01T18:26:28 < dongs> Ya, thats yageo
2012-08-01T18:26:33 < dongs> but right, something around that price.
2012-08-01T18:26:35 < dongs> they're cheapest.
2012-08-01T18:27:32 < karlp> for 10-50, in 0805, digikey and farnell are virtuall the same price anyway
2012-08-01T18:27:45 < karlp> paying the hobby sized order taxes :)
2012-08-01T18:28:19 < dongs> who the hell uses 0805 in 2012 :)
2012-08-01T18:28:22 < karlp> if I'd paid more for the boost regulator, I wouldn't have needed a stupid resistor divider anyway
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2012-08-01T18:28:35 < karlp> are you using 0603,or 0402?
2012-08-01T18:29:00 < karlp> I'm using 0805 because it's smallish, but reasonable for me to do by hand.
2012-08-01T18:29:10 < dongs> 0603 mostly, i've got a few projects with 0402 though
2012-08-01T18:29:32 < karlp> I reckon 0603 would have been nicer for some of these decoupling caps, to take up less of the space around the pads
2012-08-01T18:29:46 < karlp> but I'm no that pressed for space anyway
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2012-08-01T18:39:20 < emeb> 0603 for most caps unless they're large value mlcc and 0805 for all resistors.
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2012-08-01T18:44:02 < karlp> how large is large?
2012-08-01T18:44:12 < karlp> > 10uF? > 100uF?
2012-08-01T18:44:45 < dongs> 10uF is cheapest on 0805
2012-08-01T18:44:57 < dongs> 1206 for 22uF
2012-08-01T18:45:05 < dongs> anything above that might as well just use tantalums
2012-08-01T18:45:14 < karlp> fair enough
2012-08-01T18:45:14 < dongs> 10uF also exists in 0603
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2012-08-01T21:02:58 < bcsllc-steve> does anyone know what controller is on this LCD : http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/DATA_BRIEF/DM00053607.pdf
2012-08-01T21:03:27 < bcsllc-steve> or is controller-less
2012-08-01T21:03:35 < bcsllc-steve> and just has a driver
2012-08-01T21:03:41 < Rickta59> has anyone used ".struct" in gcc asm and have a good example of how you use it?
2012-08-01T21:04:30 < Rickta59> I want to use a C struct from asm and be able to conform to its defines properly
2012-08-01T21:05:15 < jpa-> bcsllc-steve: manual says  AM240320LGTNQW-01H
2012-08-01T21:05:45 < Rickta59> struct { uint8_t buff[RB_SIZ]; volatile unsigned head, tail };
2012-08-01T21:06:04 < Rickta59> so in asm i want to use struct so i can figure where head and tail are
2012-08-01T21:06:37 < jpa-> inline assembler or separate file?
2012-08-01T21:06:44 < Rickta59> .S file
2012-08-01T21:07:51 < Rickta59> just looking for examples but not finding any
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2012-08-01T21:13:33 < zippe> Rickta59: what's the problem you're trying to solve?
2012-08-01T21:13:53 < Rickta59> right now in my asm I have to add offsets to get to head and tail
2012-08-01T21:13:54 < zippe> Rickta59: There are a bunch of things the compiler could do that would make you very sad.
2012-08-01T21:14:04 < zippe> Why are you using the assembler in the first place?
2012-08-01T21:14:06 < Rickta59> the user can change the size of the RB_SIZ
2012-08-01T21:14:11 < Rickta59> it is an exercise
2012-08-01T21:14:16 < Rickta59> for me not class
2012-08-01T21:14:18 < Rickta59> not uni
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2012-08-01T21:14:30 < zippe> move the head/tail pointers to the beginning of the structure
2012-08-01T21:14:48 < zippe> That's also just good programming practice
2012-08-01T21:15:17 < zippe> If you have a collection, put all the traversal information together at the head of the collection entry
2012-08-01T21:15:19 < Rickta59> that is one solution but this is just a simple example of using structs
2012-08-01T21:15:28 < zippe> Yes
2012-08-01T21:15:37 < zippe> And as long as you don't plan on actually using the code, that's great
2012-08-01T21:15:49 < Rickta59> i'm using the code
2012-08-01T21:15:54 < zippe> in general though, you don't want to be making assumptions about structure layout in assembly code
2012-08-01T21:15:59 < zippe> Then don't use assembler
2012-08-01T21:16:14 < Rickta59> for the specific application I'm doing  it is a good thing
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2012-08-01T21:16:25 < zippe> Then don't use a structure
2012-08-01T21:16:28 < zippe> Use an array
2012-08-01T21:16:38 < zippe> Structure layout is something that the compiler owns
2012-08-01T21:16:51 < zippe> You should not assume that you can know anything about how a structure is laid out, in general.
2012-08-01T21:16:59 < Rickta59> that is silly
2012-08-01T21:17:01 < zippe> Because the compiler *will* fuck you
2012-08-01T21:17:05 < zippe> No, that's how the language works
2012-08-01T21:17:32 < Rickta59> if i bend the compiler to make it laid out in a specific way then it is going to look like i expect
2012-08-01T21:17:33 < zippe> Don't go pretending that your assumptions about the language actually control how the compiler will process it
2012-08-01T21:17:51 < zippe> Ok, and how do you plan to do that?
2012-08-01T21:18:03 < Rickta59> using a specific compiler
2012-08-01T21:18:14 < Rickta59> with specific known sizes and packing
2012-08-01T21:18:24 < zippe> Yes, that's nice.  Are you going to write that compiler?
2012-08-01T21:18:30 < Rickta59> i'm talking about gcc
2012-08-01T21:18:33 < zyp> you mean a specific version of a specific compiler with specific flags?
2012-08-01T21:18:39 < Rickta59> yeah
2012-08-01T21:18:45 < zippe> Still won't help.
2012-08-01T21:19:05 < Rickta59> so you really don't know how to use the .struct directive
2012-08-01T21:19:07 < zyp> cool, enjoy having to dig up an old compiler version when you want to compiler your code in two years
2012-08-01T21:19:15 < zippe> No, I know how it works.
2012-08-01T21:19:29 < Rickta59> that is all i asked .. was if someone knows some good examples of its use
2012-08-01T21:19:30 < zippe> I'm trying to save you a bunch of grief.
2012-08-01T21:19:37 < zippe> There aren't any good examples of its use.
2012-08-01T21:19:44 < zippe> It is not a good thing to use.
2012-08-01T21:19:48 < zippe> Don't use it.
2012-08-01T21:19:53 < Rickta59> thanks
2012-08-01T21:20:04 < Rickta59> either way i still have to deal with it
2012-08-01T21:20:07 < zippe> Do not assume that you can know how a structure is laid out by the compiler.
2012-08-01T21:20:14 < Rickta59> if i compile it
2012-08-01T21:20:19 < Rickta59> and look at the structure it creates
2012-08-01T21:20:23 < Rickta59> then i know what it looks like
2012-08-01T21:20:29 < zippe> Then you know how it looked when you compiled it.
2012-08-01T21:20:33 < zippe> That's nice, but it doesn't help you.
2012-08-01T21:20:38 < Rickta59> and it is going to change when?
2012-08-01T21:20:52 < zippe> If the compiler changes its mind about how it wants to pack the structure.
2012-08-01T21:20:58 < Rickta59> why would it do that?
2012-08-01T21:21:04 < zippe> Lots of reasons
2012-08-01T21:21:08 < Rickta59> give me one
2012-08-01T21:21:18 < zyp> new optimization rules
2012-08-01T21:21:22 < zippe> The optimiser might decide that changing field alignment would improve performance.
2012-08-01T21:21:43 < zippe> It might decide that it can eliminate one or more members of the structure.
2012-08-01T21:21:53 < Rickta59> all members are used
2012-08-01T21:22:05 < Rickta59> in all cases of the code
2012-08-01T21:22:09 < zippe> Your definition of "used" and the compilers' are not the same.
2012-08-01T21:22:27 < zippe> Especially when whole-program optimisation comes into play.
2012-08-01T21:22:30 < zyp> used members might still be optimized out to registers only
2012-08-01T21:22:34 < Rickta59> -data-sections -Wl,gc-sections does not eliminate any of my member structures
2012-08-01T21:22:53 < zippe> try -flto and then guess what happens there in another couple of years
2012-08-01T21:23:03 < zippe> Or look at what clang + lld does to your code.
2012-08-01T21:23:08 < zyp> Rickta59, so anyway, what are you really asking about?
2012-08-01T21:23:30 < Rickta59> has anyone used ".struct" in gcc asm and have a good example of how you use it?
2012-08-01T21:23:39 < zippe> Yes, and no, respectively.
2012-08-01T21:23:47 < zyp> as for me: no.
2012-08-01T21:23:55 < Rickta59> ok .. thanks
2012-08-01T21:24:08 < zippe> See above inre: there are no good examples.
2012-08-01T21:24:17 < zyp> if you insist on using it I suggest checking the documentation
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2012-08-01T21:26:00 < Rickta59> I guess I will take your advice and switch my struct around so the variable part is at the end however in my 'C' version it actually makes the code larger
2012-08-01T21:26:41 < Rickta59> its access to the buffer part is quicker if it is the first member of the struct
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2012-08-01T21:39:34 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-01T22:12:54 <+Steffanx> For windows you have this great tool TheDotFactory (LCD Font and Image Generator)
2012-08-01T22:13:05 <+Steffanx> Anyone knows about something similar for non-windows systems?
2012-08-01T22:13:40 <+Steffanx> That windows tool does work on linux/os x, but uses mono and is @#$%ˆ& slow
2012-08-01T22:14:41 < jpa-> for fonts, convert the X fonts to bdf and read with simple python script
2012-08-01T22:14:42 < zyp> get a real os
2012-08-01T22:14:47 < jpa-> for images, save as .xpm
2012-08-01T22:15:15 <+Steffanx> What's wrong with my real os x OS zyp ?
2012-08-01T22:15:24 < jpa-> it's for fags
2012-08-01T22:15:45 <+Steffanx> It has a real terminal for linux retards :P
2012-08-01T22:16:09 < jpa-> a real terminal without apt-get
2012-08-01T22:17:35 <+Steffanx> alias apt-get='port' ? :P
2012-08-01T22:17:48 <+Steffanx> or whatever package manager there is for os x'
2012-08-01T22:18:24 <+Steffanx> Anyway, that wasn't my question
2012-08-01T22:18:33 <+Steffanx> Why OS bashers always succeed? :(
2012-08-01T22:19:12 < zyp> :p
2012-08-01T22:19:24 < zyp> I'm using homebrew, it's quite nice
2012-08-01T22:19:35 < zyp> nicer than macports at least
2012-08-01T22:19:53 <+Steffanx> Yeah,  it's too easy to break macports
2012-08-01T22:20:09 <+Steffanx> And then you have to manually remove (config)files
2012-08-01T22:20:55 < zyp> macports like to install its own versions of packages that's included with OS X too, it's kind of pointless
2012-08-01T22:25:00 <+Steffanx> nah, i'll boot my windows vm, just because i like you so much jpa-
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2012-08-01T22:49:56 < zippe> This is why we use Homebrew instead
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2012-08-01T22:57:32 <+dekar> zyp, so you can use newer versions than supplied by apple
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2012-08-01T23:16:38 < zyp> that's usually not very interesting
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2012-08-01T23:23:51 <+Steffanx> this = "macports like to install its own versions of packages that's included with OS X too" zippe ?
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2012-08-01T23:43:17 < pileopython> brew is probably the least offensive of the osx tools for not having 50 copies ot latex
2012-08-01T23:43:40 < pileopython> fink and macports have always sucked in this regard
2012-08-01T23:44:30 < pileopython> why the macports people decided to decimate a perfectly good port system from bsd is beyond me.
2012-08-01T23:45:34 < zyp> this was a boring discussion, everybody is agreeing :p
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2012-08-02T00:41:03 < bcsllc-steve> did ST.com get a facelift ?
2012-08-02T00:42:15 <+Steffanx> No ?
2012-08-02T00:47:45 < cjbaird> hate the faux-desktop look..
2012-08-02T00:52:15 < cjbaird> I hope that all those Startup companies that tried to push 'realistic computer desktops in the browser!' crap when AJAX first took off are now all bankrupt, sold the house, and moved back to their parents..
2012-08-02T00:53:07 <+izua_> would you change your opinion if they made it look like kde?
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2012-08-02T00:56:45 <+Steffanx> No that new windows 8-ish look from that new outlook.com is great
2012-08-02T00:57:00 <+Steffanx> ( just to throw some microsoft into this conversation )
2012-08-02T00:57:03 < cjbaird> xsetroot -def 4 lyfe
2012-08-02T00:57:24 < zyp> *yawn*
2012-08-02T00:57:30 <+Steffanx> Morning
2012-08-02T00:57:40 < zyp> no, I'm about to go to bed
2012-08-02T00:57:51 <+Steffanx> A little early isn't it?
2012-08-02T00:57:56 <+Steffanx> Vacation here :)
2012-08-02T00:58:13 < zyp> I used up all my vacation when I went to japan :p
2012-08-02T00:58:36 < Laurenceb_> hehe windows8
2012-08-02T00:58:45 < Laurenceb_> the day that microsoft died
2012-08-02T00:58:52 <+Steffanx> Whoa, Laurenceb_ woke up
2012-08-02T00:59:05 < Laurenceb_> no ive been cooking
2012-08-02T01:00:07 <+Steffanx> And .. had some nice vegetarian meal?
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2012-08-02T03:14:47 < dongs> hello dongs
2012-08-02T03:15:26 < dongs> nope st site is still as shite as always
2012-08-02T03:15:48 < dongs> now with even more flash and java
2012-08-02T03:21:35 <+dekar> Laurenceb, windows 8 sounds great, I love the tablets they showed
2012-08-02T03:22:12 <+dekar> they look like you can actually work on them, unlike those android and iOS things
2012-08-02T03:23:00 < dongs> > tablets
2012-08-02T03:23:02 < dongs> found your problem
2012-08-02T03:25:04 <+dekar> well I haven't gotten any so far
2012-08-02T03:25:22 <+dekar> but if they reach the point where they can replace my laptop, why not?
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2012-08-02T03:32:27 < dongs> they wont
2012-08-02T03:32:59 < dongs> why hte fuck would I get a tablet with a gimped 500mhz processor, when I can just use my laptop with a real os, full set of peripherals, normal keyboard, proper processor, etc?
2012-08-02T03:34:00 <+dekar> dongs, microsoft actually showed some core i tablet with a real hardware keyboard
2012-08-02T03:37:30 <+dekar> dongs, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jozTK-MqEXQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=1654s
2012-08-02T03:38:18 < dongs> so how the fuck is this better than a laptop that wont fucking break in half when you open it
2012-08-02T03:38:38 < dongs> paying extra $ for detachable keyboard which I will never detach
2012-08-02T03:38:40 < dongs> makes so much sense.
2012-08-02T03:39:33 <+dekar> for things like watching movies and reading stuff you don't need the keyboard
2012-08-02T03:39:47 <+dekar> can be more convenient without
2012-08-02T03:40:19 <+dekar> why do people buy tablets these days?
2012-08-02T03:40:24 < dongs> no idea
2012-08-02T03:40:31 < dongs> its a retarded fad started by crapple
2012-08-02T03:40:40 < dongs> was hoping it would die with steve
2012-08-02T03:40:42 <+dekar> makes them billions
2012-08-02T03:40:43 < dongs> but apparnetly it didnt
2012-08-02T03:41:10 < dongs> I had a toshiba portege M400 tablet PC in like 2006
2012-08-02T03:41:27 < dongs> with wacom  tablet input surface and like 1400x1050 12" screen
2012-08-02T03:41:39 < dongs> that was infinitely more useful than any fucking garbage tablet from 2012
2012-08-02T03:41:43 <+dekar> they lacked the software back then
2012-08-02T03:41:51 < dongs> no, it runs windows 7 just fine
2012-08-02T03:41:58 < dongs> and is perfectly usable.
2012-08-02T03:42:01 <+dekar> win7 doesn't suffice
2012-08-02T03:42:16 < dongs> ????
2012-08-02T03:42:19 <+dekar> compare the android browser to IE on win7
2012-08-02T03:42:30 <+dekar> it's about the touch interface
2012-08-02T03:42:34 <+dekar> scrolling etc
2012-08-02T03:42:40 <+dekar> not having to use a pen
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2012-08-02T03:43:08 <+dekar> touch on the desktop just wasn't there yet
2012-08-02T03:43:09 < dongs> yeah having to fucking pinchzoom each time you want to click a link because hitting it wiht a finger will click liek 10 shits in one place
2012-08-02T03:43:18 < dongs> SO CONVENIENT
2012-08-02T03:43:28 <+dekar> dongs, try chrome on android, it fixed the issue
2012-08-02T03:43:29 < dongs> i think i';ll take Ie on desktop over any garbage phone/tablert browser
2012-08-02T03:43:42 < dongs> dekar, fixed it by what? its still exactly same garbage.
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2012-08-02T03:43:53 <+dekar> if it's unsure what you clicked it zooms up some bubble of the area allowing you to click the link you want
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2012-08-02T03:44:04 < dongs> loool.
2012-08-02T03:44:10 < dongs> yeah, except it doesnt work 90% of the time
2012-08-02T03:44:15 <+dekar> works fine for me
2012-08-02T03:44:17 < dongs> it only works for horizontal links
2012-08-02T03:44:21 < dongs> not for side by side links
2012-08-02T03:44:25 < dongs> and its fucking broken
2012-08-02T03:44:30 < dongs> must have been designed for fat american fingers
2012-08-02T03:44:42 <+dekar> works for fat german ones as well
2012-08-02T03:44:46 < dongs> it only comes up rarely for me, only on horizonal link lists, and almost never at the right time
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2012-08-02T03:45:13 <+dekar> get androidâ„¢ compatible fingers then
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2012-08-02T03:45:16 < zippe> dekar: try using the Surface on your lap
2012-08-02T03:45:28 < zippe> dekar: you will be less than impressed
2012-08-02T03:45:33 < dongs> < dongs> zippe, so what do you know about tarnovsky other than he's a faggot
2012-08-02T03:45:43 <+dekar> zippe, I guess you wouldn't use the keyboard on the lap
2012-08-02T03:45:58 < dongs> anyway tablets fail, plain and simple
2012-08-02T03:46:03 < zippe> dekar: then would you want a Surface at all, or what makes it any better than the alternative
2012-08-02T03:46:24 < zippe> dongs: They work fine; people buy them & like them enough to come back and buy more.
2012-08-02T03:46:29 <+dekar> anyway, I am open for it and I will try them once they're out. I feel like they are getting a lot more usable with those surface ones than they were before
2012-08-02T03:46:53 < zippe> dongs: I never tried to get into CT's pants, so I can't actually comment on his availability.  Send him some flowers and ask nicely; it works occasionally.
2012-08-02T03:47:17 <+dekar> zippe, I don't know, maybe I will stick with my laptop - yet I will have to support those things at work anyway
2012-08-02T03:47:26 < dongs> zippe, I have a problem with him not delivering things promised though.
2012-08-02T03:47:27 <+dekar> probably help design UIs using Qt Quick
2012-08-02T03:47:31 < dongs> I was wondering if thats a common occurence.
2012-08-02T03:47:45 < zippe> dekar: The Surface fails for me on two counts.  #1, they were so desperate to pre-announce it ahead of the Nexus 7 that they went to the press with demo units that crashed on stage, and hands-on units that just didn't work.
2012-08-02T03:47:56 < zippe> dekar: and #2, two words: "peripheral venting"
2012-08-02T03:48:11 < zippe> dongs: is there money involved?
2012-08-02T03:48:13 <+dekar> zippe, didn't all windows products crash on stage? so do they in RL :P
2012-08-02T03:48:17 < dongs> zippe: absolutely
2012-08-02T03:48:29 < zippe> dongs: real money, or hobbyist money?
2012-08-02T03:48:34 < dongs> real.
2012-08-02T03:49:05 < zippe> Hum.  I would rate him as more reliable than, say, Mitnick. But he still has to eat.
2012-08-02T03:49:09 <+dekar> zippe, what's wrong with the venting?
2012-08-02T03:49:23 <+dekar> laptops vent as well
2012-08-02T03:49:25 < zippe> dekar: Imagine holding a Dyson Airblade.
2012-08-02T03:49:30 < dongs> he did deliver like 3 jobs but he has been failing on the last one for a while.
2012-08-02T03:49:30 <+dekar> -.-
2012-08-02T03:49:57 < zippe> dekar: I'm not interested in a device that blows hot air on my hands while I'm holding it.
2012-08-02T03:50:00 <+dekar> zippe, I don't think it'll be that bad
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2012-08-02T03:50:08 < zippe> dekar: *points and laughs*
2012-08-02T03:50:15 < dongs> I wonder if the fucker is just not familiar enough with H8 to do his magic bus sniffing garbage.
2012-08-02T03:50:22 < zippe> dongs: And I'm assuming no good excuses?
2012-08-02T03:50:23 <+dekar> most of the time in idle the fan probably won't spin anyway
2012-08-02T03:50:26 < dongs> but he wont admit to it, and goes into ignore mode instead.
2012-08-02T03:50:33 < zippe> dekar: *points and laughs more*
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2012-08-02T03:50:43 < dongs> zippe: not even, more like completely stonewalling/ignoring.
2012-08-02T03:51:03 <+dekar> I mean I can't hear my MacBooks fan in idle as well
2012-08-02T03:51:14 <+dekar> it only revs up when compiling stuff
2012-08-02T03:51:18 < zippe> dekar: When you're holding it, it's not going to be idling.
2012-08-02T03:51:24 < zippe> dekar: because you're using it ...
2012-08-02T03:51:43 < zippe> No good advice, sorry, other than that's the point where I'd be wondering if I would have been better off with Chipworks.
2012-08-02T03:51:50 <+dekar> zippe, having 2% cpu load is effectively idle
2012-08-02T03:52:29 < zippe> dekar: Speculating about an unreleased product from a company infamous for vaporware is fun when I have nothing better to do, but let's table this 'till they ship something, eh?
2012-08-02T03:52:56 < dongs> yeah :(
2012-08-02T03:53:05 < zippe> Then if the touchscreen hovercraft actually works, you can bet I'll be buying one.
2012-08-02T03:53:19 <+dekar> zippe, isn't that what I said? I will try them once they're out
2012-08-02T03:54:45 < zippe> Yes, sorry.  Your optimistic tone was just too much to resist; my apologies.
2012-08-02T03:55:00 <+dekar> while chatting with you in xchat my macbook has <5% cpu load, I am sure that will work for the surface as well
2012-08-02T03:55:34 < dongs> i just cannot imagine a use case for a tablet
2012-08-02T03:55:51 <+dekar> dongs, it's convenient on the couch
2012-08-02T03:56:03 < dongs> phone-sized phone: quick access to shit to get stuff done when nothign else is available. laptop for everything else.
2012-08-02T03:56:06 < dongs> no its not
2012-08-02T03:56:41 < dongs> tablet: too big to be a phone, too big to fit in your pocket. too shitty set of features to beat a laptop.
2012-08-02T03:56:48 < dongs> where is the use?
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2012-08-02T03:57:18 <+dekar> if it has wifi, usb and a proper CPU I am fine with it
2012-08-02T03:57:50 <+dekar> why do people buy ebook readers?
2012-08-02T03:58:06 < dongs> no fucking idea
2012-08-02T03:58:13 < dongs> i was gonna get one to read PDFs
2012-08-02T03:58:17 < dongs> then I saw that it takes 20 seconds to refresh one page
2012-08-02T03:58:21 < dongs> zoom is nonexistent/slow
2012-08-02T03:58:25 < dongs> the UI is fucking retarded
2012-08-02T03:58:41 < dongs> ... so I just continued reading PDFs on one of my 3 monitors at my  desk.
2012-08-02T04:00:13 <+dekar> we actually have a guy using a tablet to read PDF/datasheets, his laptop is a huge quad core monster and he doesn't mind the tablet getting sprinkled with soldering flux
2012-08-02T04:00:33 <+dekar> is that a valid use? :)
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2012-08-02T04:03:54 <+dekar> zippe, also you might have understood me wrong, I don't plan on buying one for private use, but I am sure our company will get those to evaluate and likely add them to our supported platforms
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2012-08-02T04:04:07 <+dekar> so I will be involved in making them work with out stuff
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2012-08-02T04:05:07 <+dekar> I just think that from what I have seen they look much more usable than old tablets
2012-08-02T04:05:43 <+dekar> *our stuff
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2012-08-02T04:17:08 < dongs> holy shit win8 is like rtm
2012-08-02T04:17:14 < dongs> i thought that shit was nowhere near ready
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2012-08-02T04:22:53 < dongs> notable changes to windows 8: The Blue Screen of Death no longer shows as much technical information about the error that caused the computer to stop.
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2012-08-02T04:47:03 < zippe1> dongs: the two are not correlated
2012-08-02T04:47:12 < dongs> which two
2012-08-02T04:47:22 < zippe1> rtm, ready
2012-08-02T04:47:43 < zippe1> dongs: Also, re tablets.  The girl has two; one for watching TV on, one for reading IMDB about what she's watching.
2012-08-02T04:47:52 < dongs> how.. gay.
2012-08-02T04:47:54 < zippe1> Sometimes she'll use the projector as well.
2012-08-02T04:48:08 < zippe1> I have maybe 2-300 PDFs on mine.
2012-08-02T04:48:18 < zippe1> Beats the hell out of carrying a craptop to meetings.
2012-08-02T04:48:38 < zippe1> Less weight on my back on the bike riding to the train, too.
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2012-08-02T04:48:56 < dongs> my laptop is core i7 and like 900grams.
2012-08-02T04:49:06 < dongs> and its B5 sized (wahtever the fuck that is in yank units)
2012-08-02T04:49:07 < zippe1> Works pretty well for watching movies on the 'plane in catte class.
2012-08-02T04:49:29 < zippe1> We take a headphone splitter and a stack of stuff and we can kill most of the 13h flight home.
2012-08-02T04:49:47 < zippe1> ipad + movies + booze = easy crossing the pacific
2012-08-02T04:50:31 < zippe1> dongs: I'll guarantee that you won't want to watch a movie on it in bed on a hot night. 8 )
2012-08-02T04:50:51 < zippe1> dongs: and before you claim I know nothing, I was doing the megapixel laptop thing earlier than most
2012-08-02T04:51:08 < zippe1> I had the big IBM, then a series of the megapixel Dells.
2012-08-02T04:51:18 < zippe1> I still have several 17" Apple laptops.
2012-08-02T04:51:58 < zippe1> There are some things that the iPad's great for.  I've even written quite a lot of code using one.
2012-08-02T04:52:04 < zippe1> Though frankly, I'd rather not.
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2012-08-02T09:41:50 < Tectu> guys, if anyone is interested, there is now #chibios here on freenode
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2012-08-02T10:23:48 < dongs> Greetings Sir, We are American cat manufacturer who can export rat-killing cats at any quantity.
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2012-08-02T10:47:34 < Tectu> dongs, how's it blogging?
2012-08-02T10:50:40 < dongs> blogging
2012-08-02T11:46:53 < dongs> motherfucker. ST totally fucked latest flashloader demonstrator
2012-08-02T11:46:59 < dongs> it doesnt acutalyl work wiht any of my shit WTF
2012-08-02T11:49:57 < Tectu> flashloader DEMONSTRATOR?
2012-08-02T11:49:59 < Tectu> demonstrator?
2012-08-02T11:50:01 < Tectu> wtf?
2012-08-02T11:50:28 < dongs> yaeh their windows flashingutility
2012-08-02T11:50:37 < Tectu> why is it called demonstrator?
2012-08-02T11:50:45 < Tectu> is there a 15k$ commercial version?
2012-08-02T11:51:09 < dongs> no its demonstration of how to use the bootloader.
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2012-08-02T12:39:34  * Laurenceb is raging
2012-08-02T12:40:05 < Laurenceb> my card manages 32 transfers
2012-08-02T12:40:19 < Laurenceb> the 31st transfer sometimes breaks towards the end
2012-08-02T12:40:26 < Laurenceb> i get occasional 0x02
2012-08-02T12:40:28 < Laurenceb> wtf
2012-08-02T12:41:16 < Laurenceb> seems that 32 transfers == 32 consecutive transfers in ascending order with no time between them
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2012-08-02T14:16:49 < dongs> donging
2012-08-02T14:17:37 < zyp> what are you donging today?
2012-08-02T14:17:41 < dongs> not much
2012-08-02T14:17:46 < dongs> didnt code anything today
2012-08-02T14:17:59 < dongs> i got 10 mpu6000's from invensense. datecode 12/02
2012-08-02T14:18:29  * karlp has fixed two bugs this morning already
2012-08-02T14:18:35 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/7/1/6/1/5/a5054613-35-APNG2xEasy2.jpg super cool cap bro
2012-08-02T14:18:46 < karlp> though, really, I fixed them yesterday, and just committed them this morning
2012-08-02T14:19:16 < karlp> what's that cap for?
2012-08-02T14:19:22 < dongs> thats what im wondering
2012-08-02T14:21:38 < Laurenceb> haha
2012-08-02T14:21:46 < Laurenceb> jean louis naudin
2012-08-02T14:21:53 < Laurenceb> hes a lunatic
2012-08-02T14:22:05 < karlp> how come all of you know each other?
2012-08-02T14:22:10 < Laurenceb> http://jnaudin.free.fr/
2012-08-02T14:22:34 < Laurenceb> we are part of the lunatic fringe
2012-08-02T14:22:35 < dongs> who
2012-08-02T14:22:42 < dongs> haha
2012-08-02T14:22:44 < dongs> overunity
2012-08-02T14:22:53 < dongs> why the fuck
2012-08-02T14:23:00 < dongs> do all those websites look like they're hosted on geoshitties
2012-08-02T14:23:06 < dongs> just needs moar animated gifs
2012-08-02T14:23:34 < Laurenceb> http://jlnlabs.online.fr/plasma/html/fairytest.htm
2012-08-02T14:23:37 < Laurenceb> thats nuts
2012-08-02T14:24:09 < dongs> haha
2012-08-02T14:24:13 < dongs> does it work???
2012-08-02T14:24:14 < dongs> looks cool
2012-08-02T14:24:22 < Laurenceb> apparently not enough thrust to fly
2012-08-02T14:24:37 < Laurenceb> rc plasma thruster would be epic
2012-08-02T14:25:43 < Laurenceb> the cap is probably for the barden free energy generator/ sear effect disc
2012-08-02T14:25:53 < cjbaird_> Re: supercap .. one of the msp430 guys managed to power a msp430-powered LCD clock for 10 weeks off a single charge. No doubt it's been used for weight/price/charge
2012-08-02T14:26:43 < Laurenceb> *searl
2012-08-02T14:26:47 < Laurenceb> http://searleffect.com/
2012-08-02T14:31:17 <+izua> looks legit
2012-08-02T14:39:18 < Oldboy> cjbaird_: have you seen Ti's wolverine lineup ?
2012-08-02T14:40:07 < cjbaird_> Oldboy: I did read about them a little while ago. I haven't had much to do with the ultra-low power gear, although I've got one of the new FRAM Lanuchpads.
2012-08-02T14:42:32 < cjbaird_> At the moment I'm distracted by these.. http://i.imgur.com/ixYeM.jpg
2012-08-02T14:49:56 < dongs> lawl
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2012-08-02T14:50:15 < dongs> I think i better preorder shitberrypi from rsjapan
2012-08-02T14:50:50 < dongs> 2950 jpy
2012-08-02T14:52:14 < karlp> customs are playing with mine.
2012-08-02T14:52:20 < karlp> they always play with my toys first
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2012-08-02T14:58:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pDXmv.jpg sup dongs
2012-08-02T14:58:56 < Oldboy> what is that ?
2012-08-02T14:59:20 < cjbaird_> tsunami watch
2012-08-02T15:09:27 < zyp> https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.505242,130.305029&spn=0.003542,0.006968&t=h&z=18 sup
2012-08-02T15:10:54 < cjbaird_> The Japanese named a town after Kylie...? :P
2012-08-02T15:18:30 < zyp> Kylie?
2012-08-02T15:19:20 < cjbaird_> Minogue .. has-been Aussie idol. For some reason, the only fans of hers I've met since Uni have been all Asian guys.. -_-
2012-08-02T15:20:13 < zyp> oh, that Kylie
2012-08-02T15:24:10 < cjbaird_> Her bisexual sister was hotter.
2012-08-02T15:24:51 < dongs> zyp: ya
2012-08-02T15:25:34 < zyp> looks like a nice place
2012-08-02T15:26:48 < Oldboy> She was hot in 1980
2012-08-02T15:26:54 < Oldboy> in Neighbours
2012-08-02T15:28:03 < dongs> mannnnnnnnnnn... new flashloader is fucked
2012-08-02T15:30:24 < Laurenceb> https://maps.google.com/?ll=32.505545,130.304605&spn=0.001703,0.002411&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=32.505597,130.304712&panoid=6e_rNachQDN51H_81Os8mw&cbp=12,328.59,,1,7.16
2012-08-02T15:30:28 < Laurenceb> omfg wtf
2012-08-02T15:30:52 < dongs> wtf needs flash
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2012-08-02T15:36:19 < Laurenceb> literally 10meters down the coast and wtf japan
2012-08-02T15:36:48 < dongs> tentacle rape
2012-08-02T15:37:33 < dongs> W T F
2012-08-02T15:37:37 < dongs> char buf[] = "\\\\.\\COM1";
2012-08-02T15:37:41 < dongs> itoa(numPort, &buf[7], 10);
2012-08-02T15:38:04 < karlp> heh
2012-08-02T15:38:51 < zyp> I read about those names recently
2012-08-02T15:39:17 < zyp> apparently writing "COMx" breaks for some values of x, but can be worked around by writing \\.\COMx
2012-08-02T15:40:53 < karlp> moah escaping
2012-08-02T15:46:34 < dongs> zyp: > 8 I believe
2012-08-02T15:46:48 < dongs> point is,numPort isn't clipped at 1..9
2012-08-02T15:47:05 < dongs> before going to itoa.
2012-08-02T15:48:21 < zyp> ah, right
2012-08-02T15:48:59 < Laurenceb> yeah i have to do that on windowz
2012-08-02T15:49:36 < zyp> and using some printf variant would be too easy
2012-08-02T15:51:30 < zyp> the fun part is that it would probably work in practice anyway, because a 9 byte buffer would likely be padded to 12
2012-08-02T15:52:44 < dongs> heh
2012-08-02T16:21:53 < Tectu> did someone ever do SATA with STM32?
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2012-08-02T16:23:47 < dongs> yes.
2012-08-02T16:24:26 < dongs> https://forum.sparkfun.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=27392#p123372
2012-08-02T16:24:26 < dongs> christ.
2012-08-02T16:30:11 < zyp> just get one that does usb host and hook it to a usb-sata-adapter
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2012-08-02T16:58:04 < dongs> haha
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2012-08-02T18:06:33 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/02/smut_warning_missile_defense_agency/
2012-08-02T18:06:35 < Laurenceb> lolling
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2012-08-02T18:17:49 < emeb> Trying to get an F405 to talk to a WM8731 codec.
2012-08-02T18:18:15 < emeb> I2S works, I2C works, MCLK works, but codec isn't outputting audio.
2012-08-02T18:18:28 < emeb> Mysterious...
2012-08-02T18:18:40 < zyp> who's the clock master?
2012-08-02T18:18:48 < emeb> F405 is the master
2012-08-02T18:19:32 < zyp> so it's running the clock but only reading all zeros?
2012-08-02T18:20:16 < emeb> I can see MCLK, SCLK, SDO, WS going to the codec - all look OK.
2012-08-02T18:20:42 < emeb> I2C control channel works - I can see codec configuring itself as commanded.
2012-08-02T18:21:08 < emeb> The analog output ramps up to AVDD/2 as it should, but no audio is there.
2012-08-02T18:21:47 < zyp> oh, wait, I read you wrong, I thought you were reading data, not writing :p
2012-08-02T18:22:42 < zyp> have you checked the validity of the data you are writing?
2012-08-02T18:23:06 < emeb> Looks right on the oscilloscope. Bits in the right places...
2012-08-02T18:23:37 < emeb> Also, no ADC data coming out of the codec - should be some lsbs toggling at least to show input noise.
2012-08-02T18:23:56 < zyp> sounds like the codec is not configured correctly
2012-08-02T18:24:33 < emeb> Yeah, but I've used this codec in many other apps (different MCUs, FPGAs) with the exact same configuration and it worked fine.
2012-08-02T18:24:56 < zyp> schematic is correct?
2012-08-02T18:25:27 < zyp> well, either the hardware is defective, configuration is wrong or data you're outputting is invalid
2012-08-02T18:25:29 < emeb> Well - correction. Different wordsizes: I've used 32-bit and 24-bit data size. 16 on the F405...
2012-08-02T18:25:52 < emeb> Yep - that pretty much sums it up.
2012-08-02T18:26:05 < emeb> Hope it's not another dead chip.
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2012-08-02T18:26:22 < emeb> May be time to build up the 3rd board.
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2012-08-02T18:53:20 < Laurenceb> http://shitlondon.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Bill-Pearson-clapham-copy.jpg
2012-08-02T18:54:06 < dongs> who
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2012-08-02T19:57:13 < dongs> no u
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2012-08-02T20:14:46 < dongs> holy fuck AVR gcc sucks
2012-08-02T20:14:53 < dongs> uint32_t right shift 28bits
2012-08-02T20:15:05 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/kNFif764.html
2012-08-02T20:15:07 < dongs> dafuQ??
2012-08-02T20:16:26 < zyp> ha, cute
2012-08-02T20:19:11 < dongs> that is j ust so fucking terrible
2012-08-02T20:19:17 < dongs> this is with -O2
2012-08-02T20:19:46 < dongs> same wiht -Os
2012-08-02T20:20:01 < dongs> gonna chalk this up as opeansauce being a giant steaming shitheap of failure
2012-08-02T20:20:27 < zyp> nah, it's just not optimized for 8-bit shit :p
2012-08-02T20:22:24 < zyp> sensible way to do that shit would be to move the highest reg into the lowest, swap nibbles, mask out the top nibble and clear the other three registers
2012-08-02T20:22:32 < zyp> if they are even used
2012-08-02T20:23:10 < jpa-> and this is what it could be if it were smarter http://paste.dy.fi/Zb0/plain
2012-08-02T20:23:32 < zyp> that's what I said
2012-08-02T20:23:35 < jpa-> yep
2012-08-02T20:23:59 < zyp> except you can clear registers with something smaller than ldi, can't you?
2012-08-02T20:24:11 < jpa-> dunno
2012-08-02T20:24:24 < zyp> I believe there is even a clear instruction
2012-08-02T20:25:01 < dongs> jpa, are you saying it generated that code if you did >>24>>4?
2012-08-02T20:25:24 < jpa-> and cast to uint8_t
2012-08-02T20:25:27 < jpa-> but yeah
2012-08-02T20:25:54 < zyp> so it's capable of that
2012-08-02T20:26:11 < dongs> my type was already uint8_t
2012-08-02T20:26:15 < dongs> for the shift destination
2012-08-02T20:26:20 < dongs> I shouldn't need an explicit cast I guess
2012-08-02T20:26:30 < jpa-> you need it between the shifts
2012-08-02T20:26:30 < dongs> but mine was just blah >> 28 & 0xf
2012-08-02T20:26:57 < jpa-> otherwise it just thinks "24 + 4 is 28, round and round we go 28 times!"
2012-08-02T20:27:05 < dongs> haha
2012-08-02T20:27:33 < zyp> it could probably reported as a case of missed optimization
2012-08-02T20:28:43 < dongs> missed  blogization
2012-08-02T20:28:52 < dongs> i hate avr filth
2012-08-02T20:28:54 < zyp> but I can't be assed to do it :p
2012-08-02T20:29:02 < dongs> i sure as hell wont.
2012-08-02T20:34:06 < jpa-> "open sauce sucks so much that i will NEVER report anything to it!"
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2012-08-03T04:13:20 < dongs> attn Laurenceb
2012-08-03T04:13:23 < dongs> http://www.bosch-presse.de/presseforum/details.htm?txtID=5512&locale=en
2012-08-03T04:13:49 < dongs> whow, spi
2012-08-03T04:14:49 <+izua>  man, i'm screwing up
2012-08-03T04:15:08 <+izua> scanning keys on a 4x4 keyboard, columns 2-4 work right (2/5/8/0, 3/6/9/#, A,B,C,D)
2012-08-03T04:15:27 <+izua> if i add column 1 to the scan, (1/4/7/*), it gets shifted (4/7/*) and the actual * doesn't reply
2012-08-03T04:15:33 <+izua> but the others work. dafuq.
2012-08-03T04:19:27 < dongs> blame raspberrypi
2012-08-03T04:29:29 <+izua> they have too much io i guess
2012-08-03T04:29:37 <+izua> and they're too imaginary
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2012-08-03T04:56:39 < dongs> DONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGS
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2012-08-03T05:17:39 < dongs> bwahaha
2012-08-03T05:17:49 < dongs> RS just sent me 'shipment email'
2012-08-03T05:17:55 < dongs> estimated shipping date
2012-08-03T05:18:00 < dongs> 13/01/04
2012-08-03T05:18:02 < dongs> LOL.
2012-08-03T05:24:53 < Oldboy> guess the mail was delayed
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2012-08-03T06:30:47 < bcsllc-steve> hey guys
2012-08-03T06:30:49 < bcsllc-steve> who uses linux ?
2012-08-03T06:30:53 < bcsllc-steve> by a show of hands
2012-08-03T06:31:51 < bcsllc-steve> i need a linux user to do me a favor and im willing to pay a few bucks for it
2012-08-03T06:34:50 < Oldboy> bcsllc-steve: you can download a free vmware and install linux in it.
2012-08-03T06:35:10 < Oldboy> if vmware still gives out free ones
2012-08-03T06:35:28 < bcsllc-steve> i would just need it for 5 minu
2012-08-03T06:35:32 < bcsllc-steve> and dont want to do all that
2012-08-03T06:35:41 < bcsllc-steve> RTTY !
2012-08-03T06:36:07 < bcsllc-steve> i have an 8mb wav that has data in it encoded in FSK
2012-08-03T06:36:09 < bcsllc-steve> 1200bps
2012-08-03T06:36:13 < bcsllc-steve> Bell202
2012-08-03T06:36:18 < Oldboy> google RTTY.EXE you'll be surprised
2012-08-03T06:36:19 < bcsllc-steve> and I need that data
2012-08-03T06:37:12 < bcsllc-steve> ha my step fathers website is the first hit on google
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2012-08-03T06:41:25 < bcsllc-steve> the data in the wave isnt just ascii
2012-08-03T06:41:30 < bcsllc-steve> lot of non ascii chars
2012-08-03T06:41:37 < bcsllc-steve> i need to see hex values
2012-08-03T06:43:20 < bcsllc-steve> can someone just do it for me and I will pay them ?
2012-08-03T06:43:41 < bcsllc-steve> i have too much figuring out to do as it is now
2012-08-03T06:50:45 < dongs> i dont run lunix.
2012-08-03T06:51:42 < bcsllc-steve> well how about Linux ?
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2012-08-03T07:40:10 <+dekar> bcsllc-steve, link?
2012-08-03T07:40:20 < bcsllc-steve> dont have one
2012-08-03T07:40:32 < bcsllc-steve> please provide a means of sending the file
2012-08-03T07:40:42 < bcsllc-steve> or suggest a site to upload to
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2012-08-03T08:52:36 < zippe1> http://brooklynintegers.com
2012-08-03T08:53:35 < dongs> How do you know itÂ’s good? 18232586 & 0xF00000 == 0x100000.
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2012-08-03T09:05:19 < Tectu> how big is a float on stm32?
2012-08-03T09:08:23 < jpa-> 32 bits
2012-08-03T09:08:34 < jpa-> just like everywhere else
2012-08-03T09:08:44 < Tectu> okay, and double is 64, right?
2012-08-03T09:08:59 < jpa-> yes
2012-08-03T09:09:32 < Tectu> but afaik double is somehow more precisely in how it stores decimal values than float?
2012-08-03T09:12:53 < zippe1> Tectu: No
2012-08-03T09:13:11 < Tectu> zippe1, go on?
2012-08-03T09:13:36 < zippe1> Tectu: a floating point number is a combination of a fixed-point binary value and an exponent
2012-08-03T09:13:46 < zippe1> Do those words mean anything to you?
2012-08-03T09:14:17 < zippe1> (I want to make sure I can explain this clearly)
2012-08-03T09:15:08 < Tectu> yes
2012-08-03T09:15:11 < Tectu> i understand that
2012-08-03T09:15:40 < Tectu> and thanks for checking. i like that, sometimes people start to explain stuff which is interesting, but i don't understand at all :D
2012-08-03T09:16:09 < zippe1> Ok, so assuming ieee754, which is what everyone uses, a floating point number allocates bits for the sign bit, for the exponent and for the fixed-point value (also called the significand)
2012-08-03T09:16:59 < zippe1> In the binary32 format, which is what 'float' is on STM32, there is one bit for sign, eight bits for exponent and 23 bits for the coefficient.
2012-08-03T09:17:18 < Tectu> i understand
2012-08-03T09:18:09 < zippe1> Ok, great.  So for binary64 (double), the exponent is 11 bits and the coefficient is 52 bits.
2012-08-03T09:18:30 < Tectu> so this just gives a higher resolution then?
2012-08-03T09:18:50 < Tectu> so more digits after the decimal point
2012-08-03T09:18:55 < zippe1> Effectively.  "resolution" and "precision" are used interchangeably.
2012-08-03T09:19:05 < zippe1> And, no, not more digits after the decimal point.
2012-08-03T09:19:06 < Tectu> i see
2012-08-03T09:19:11 < Tectu> why not?
2012-08-03T09:19:16 < Tectu> just a higher resolution?
2012-08-03T09:19:23 < zippe1> There is no decimal point because this is a binary number
2012-08-03T09:19:28 < zippe1> You could call it the "binary point"
2012-08-03T09:19:36 < zippe1> But there is no guarantee that there are any digits after it
2012-08-03T09:19:40 < Tectu> correct
2012-08-03T09:19:51 < Tectu> okay, so let's say i do   float foo = 0.629320391;
2012-08-03T09:19:55 < zippe1> If the exponent is greater than the number of significant bits, for example
2012-08-03T09:19:57 < zippe1> Hang on.
2012-08-03T09:20:02 < Tectu> ok
2012-08-03T09:20:50 < zippe1> The "precision" (let's use that word) of a floating point value is the ratio of any given number N and the smallest distinct number larger than N that can be represented.
2012-08-03T09:21:28 < zippe1> Let's use decimal as an example, because it's easier to think about that.
2012-08-03T09:21:35 < Tectu> okay
2012-08-03T09:21:40 < zippe1> And let's assume we are writing decimal with three significant figures.
2012-08-03T09:22:02 < zippe1> So we have 1.23.  The next largest distinct value that you can write is 1.24.
2012-08-03T09:22:23 < Tectu> correct
2012-08-03T09:22:36 < zippe1> Or we have 0.456, and the next largest value you can write is 0.457
2012-08-03T09:22:52 < Tectu> i agree
2012-08-03T09:22:55 < zippe1> or 128000, and 129000
2012-08-03T09:23:31 < Tectu> so double is the same as float, just twice as big?
2012-08-03T09:23:34 < Tectu> from the footprint
2012-08-03T09:23:45 < zippe1> A double uses twice as much memory as a float.
2012-08-03T09:24:10 < zippe1> But you can express larger numbers with it, and you can express numbers that are closer to one another with it.
2012-08-03T09:24:16 < Tectu> okay
2012-08-03T09:24:19 < Tectu> so higher resolution
2012-08-03T09:24:21 < Tectu> :D
2012-08-03T09:24:28 < zippe1> More precision. 8)
2012-08-03T09:24:33 < Tectu> i understand what you mean. Thank you very much
2012-08-03T09:24:38 < Tectu> this was helpful indeed
2012-08-03T09:24:48 < zippe1> Ok, glad to have been useful. 8)
2012-08-03T09:25:10 < Tectu> but when i do    float foo = 0.629320391;   i will have 4 bytes in my memory, and the compiler does calculate the coefficient and exponent?
2012-08-03T09:25:17 < zyp> yes
2012-08-03T09:25:26 < Tectu> and on runtime the CPU does that job?
2012-08-03T09:25:43 < Tectu> isn't that a hard task to do? :D
2012-08-03T09:25:48 < zyp> no
2012-08-03T09:25:51 < zippe1> Yes.  But you should write float foo = 0.629320391f, because 0.629320391 is a double.
2012-08-03T09:26:02 < Tectu> zippe1, how comes?
2012-08-03T09:26:13 < zippe1> Tectu: because the language standard says so.
2012-08-03T09:26:24 < Tectu> what happens with    float foo = 0.629320391;   ?
2012-08-03T09:26:31 < Tectu> it does work somehow.
2012-08-03T09:26:41 < zyp> the compiler makes a double and then casts it into a float
2012-08-03T09:26:43 < zippe1> Tectu: If your compiler is smart, it will generate a float directly.
2012-08-03T09:26:54 < Tectu> is gcc smart?
2012-08-03T09:27:31 < zippe1> Tectu: but if you write foo = foo * 7.5, it will case foo to a double, multiply it by 7.5, then cast it back to a float because the language says it must (and the answer would be different compared to foo = foo * 7.5f);
2012-08-03T09:27:37 < zippe1> s/case/cast/
2012-08-03T09:27:42 < zippe1> Tectu: usually.
2012-08-03T09:28:10 < Tectu> i see
2012-08-03T09:28:42 < Tectu> a guy contributed lcdDrawEllipse() to my GLCD library. therefore he also sent two files, fastMath.h and fastMath.c which contain some functions to get a sine value without using sin(), because he used this on AVRs (8-bit). therefore there is   float sinetable[91];  <---- 364 bytes. is it the memory worth on an STM32 or might i just use sin() here?
2012-08-03T09:29:02 < Tectu> here:  https://github.com/Tectu/ChibiOS-LCD-Driver/blob/master/glcd/fastMath.c
2012-08-03T09:29:12 < dongs> use sinf().
2012-08-03T09:29:16 < dongs> dont be a fag.
2012-08-03T09:29:22 < dongs> use float versions of all math functions.
2012-08-03T09:29:34 < dongs> they;'lk still be insanely better than 8bit shits.
2012-08-03T09:30:15 < zippe1> Tectu: Your sin() implementation is probably still going to be performing linear interpolation over a table.
2012-08-03T09:30:25 < Tectu> zippe1, which means?
2012-08-03T09:30:27 < zippe1> It's funny that someone would use a table on the AVR though
2012-08-03T09:30:34 < Tectu> zippe1, how comes?
2012-08-03T09:30:48 < zippe1> Because the avrlibc sin is already a very good table-based interpolation
2012-08-03T09:31:15 < zippe1> I spent a considerable amount of time trying to optimise it, and to get better results, and you need a *lot* of memory to do better.
2012-08-03T09:31:16 < Tectu> so you recommend using sin() by including <math.h>  ?
2012-08-03T09:31:16 < nopcode> do people use a libc on avr?
2012-08-03T09:31:31 < Tectu> nopcode, yes, they do
2012-08-03T09:31:36 < dongs> zippe, did you see the awesome avr-gcc fail I uncovered
2012-08-03T09:31:40 < zippe1> nopcode: sometimes; Joerg and code did a fantastic job with avrlibc.
2012-08-03T09:31:51 < dongs> zippe1: uint32_t dongs >> 28 = http://bcas.tv/paste/results/kNFif764.html
2012-08-03T09:31:57 < zippe1> Tectu: You're probably using newlib; the math functions there are quite OK
2012-08-03T09:33:11 < Tectu> zippe1, well, the library should be usable for everyone using ChibiOS
2012-08-03T09:33:20 < Tectu> so what if someone dosen't use newlib?
2012-08-03T09:33:41 < zyp> Tectu, then you don't use newlibs math functions, so it doesn't apply
2012-08-03T09:34:00 < Tectu> zyp, not sure if I understand what you mean
2012-08-03T09:34:13 < zippe1> Tectu: almost everyone using gcc on stm32 has newlib.
2012-08-03T09:34:26 < zippe1> Tectu: since that's the default C library that comes with the compiler
2012-08-03T09:34:51 < zippe1> Tectu: It is possible to build with no library, in which case they would need their own sin() function.
2012-08-03T09:35:14 < Tectu> zippe1, well, in that case the entire library wouldn't become compilable since there are also things like abs() etc
2012-08-03T09:35:18 < zippe1> Tectu: I would expect that chibi depends on newlib, or some equivalent library
2012-08-03T09:35:22 < Tectu> so i think i just don't care at that poing
2012-08-03T09:35:26 < Tectu> correct
2012-08-03T09:35:30 < Tectu> that's what i thought too
2012-08-03T09:36:55 < Tectu> so i don't have higher math kowledges yet, but i want to know this: when a CPU has to use float, and there is something like 0.629320391f, how does it calculate it's binary form?
2012-08-03T09:37:07 < zippe1> The compiler does that for it.
2012-08-03T09:37:12 < Tectu> not on rumtime?
2012-08-03T09:37:13 < zippe1> The process is really annoying.
2012-08-03T09:37:16 < Tectu> when I do math for example
2012-08-03T09:37:38 < zippe1> Decimal to binary floating point conversion is a very involved topic.
2012-08-03T09:37:47 < zippe1> Give me a sec; I'll dig up some references for you
2012-08-03T09:37:53 < Tectu> can/want you to explain this to me in an easy way? :D
2012-08-03T09:37:56 < Tectu> would love to.
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2012-08-03T09:38:29 < Tectu> i also guess the compiler wouldn't do it different from the stm32 itself?
2012-08-03T09:39:00 < zippe1> The STM32 doesn't know anything about decimal.
2012-08-03T09:39:04 < zippe1> And, it might.
2012-08-03T09:39:13 < zippe1> Ok, here is the Steele and White paper: http://kurtstephens.com/files/p372-steele.pdf
2012-08-03T09:39:32 < zippe1> This is a good place to start.
2012-08-03T09:40:26 < Tectu> what's a "steele paper"?
2012-08-03T09:40:31 < zippe1> Then this is the Burger and Dybvig paper, which improved on Steele and White a bit: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=print%20floating%20point&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.72.4656%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ei=MXIbUL-wCobgiALSsIGwCw&usg=AFQjCNFXlGLB5tEduXmDTIHi1JYoQ5fEuA
2012-08-03T09:40:40 < dongs> awesome link b ro
2012-08-03T09:40:48 < dongs> zippe, you should install chrome extension that trashes that garbage
2012-08-03T09:40:57 < zippe1> Guy Steele and Jon White
2012-08-03T09:41:04 < dongs> 'Remove google redirects 1.0'
2012-08-03T09:41:10 < zippe1> Ya, sorry.
2012-08-03T09:41:10 < dongs> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ccenmflbeofaceccfhhggbagkblihpoh
2012-08-03T09:41:52 < Tectu> dongs, why you use no opensauce browser
2012-08-03T09:42:02 < dongs> cause its fuckign garbage
2012-08-03T09:42:13 < zippe1> And then this is Grisu, prettymuch the current state of the art (but it has weird issues)
2012-08-03T09:42:14 < zippe1> https://333341ac-a-698ebdfa-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/loitsch.com/florian/publications/dtoa-pldi2010.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7cpSTVSKz-S8JLLSocfxo1euPMpwGo7kEF7r35EAL9msTskXqhT5CgADOa4zpRcJaS2Xcb3SZcpEZ-yG9Wy-Duh6mwbHHJU--3IY3lsHimtw2EXymRFD4WdVW_0y4oXMfNtqIdPMM9I6_HjlSwTW94yYW243Sy8g7BNmmG4vT2xmxxEllvhObj_GifWlTOJrWYEAPPJJM6dVN4yjE4n0eM5sal93n0hxDm6gzCH25CKjg629kI4%3D&attredirects=0
2012-08-03T09:42:45 < Tectu> looks like a lot of math
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2012-08-03T09:43:25 < Tectu> zippe1, that's 2004, how comes that they "are still working on that"?
2012-08-03T09:43:40 < zippe1> Read the paper 8)
2012-08-03T09:43:44 < Tectu> didn't spent the guys at 1980 one thausand hours to make it right? :D
2012-08-03T09:43:52 < zippe1> Their code is very slow
2012-08-03T09:44:09 < Tectu> should that be fixable once?
2012-08-03T09:44:10 < zippe1> Grisu is usually faster, except when it gives up and then you have to use the slow code.
2012-08-03T09:44:21 < Tectu> it gives up?
2012-08-03T09:44:24 < zippe1> Tectu: read the papers.  tl;dr - no.
2012-08-03T09:44:34 < Tectu> i will, thank you
2012-08-03T09:44:39 < zippe1> Tectu: yes.  Read the papers.  Or just accept that it's really, really hard.
2012-08-03T09:44:49 < Tectu> i will do both, i guess :D
2012-08-03T09:44:54 < jpa-> Tectu: i, for one, consider newlib bloated and use chibios with baselibc; for my math needs i use libfixmath; but i have to admit that floats are nicer to work with
2012-08-03T09:45:29 < Tectu> what's libfixmath? sounds like some static table thingy?
2012-08-03T09:45:55 < Tectu> but when i call sin() using newlib for example, does it actually calculate the sine value with that forumula you learn at school or does it use lookup tables as well?
2012-08-03T09:45:59 < jpa-> nah, it uses some polynomial approximation for sine
2012-08-03T09:46:09 < Tectu> -.-
2012-08-03T09:46:11 < jpa-> dunno about newlib
2012-08-03T09:46:35 < Tectu> maybe zippe1 knows more
2012-08-03T09:46:41 < Tectu> ?
2012-08-03T09:46:52 < zippe1> Tectu: fixed-point math
2012-08-03T09:47:02 < zippe1> Tectu: look at the source
2012-08-03T09:47:22 < jpa-> http://code.google.com/p/libfixmath/source/browse/trunk/libfixmath/fix16_trig.c#80
2012-08-03T09:49:04 < zippe1> sin() here:
2012-08-03T09:49:05 < zippe1> http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/newlib/libm/mathfp/s_sine.c?rev=1.1.1.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=src
2012-08-03T09:50:27 < jpa-> looks like both of them use taylor series.. except something funny about the "fast" version in libfixmath
2012-08-03T09:50:45 < zippe1> The difference is just that fixmath works on fixed-point numbers
2012-08-03T09:51:08 < Tectu> #ifndef _DOUBLE_IS_32BITS
2012-08-03T09:51:12 < Tectu> ?!
2012-08-03T09:51:32 < zippe1> You can build the library configured for double = 32-bit
2012-08-03T09:51:48 < zippe1> That helps on e.g. 8bit systems
2012-08-03T09:51:49 < Tectu> makes sense where?
2012-08-03T09:51:52 < Tectu> ah
2012-08-03T09:52:06 < zippe1> I've done it for ARM, but it's annoying
2012-08-03T09:52:12 < zippe1> And it doesn't win you a whole lot
2012-08-03T09:52:17 < Tectu> what did you do it for on ARM?
2012-08-03T09:52:21 < Tectu> and what is the annoying result?
2012-08-03T09:52:31 < zippe1> It looks like the newlib libm is another derivative of the Sun libm
2012-08-03T09:53:14 < zippe1> It's annoying to maintain, and gcc doesn't deal well with more than one libc.  You have to hack it into the multilibs but then you have to key it off the gcc option and it all just gets to be a pain
2012-08-03T09:53:38 < Tectu> what was your use for that?
2012-08-03T09:53:42 < jpa-> it can help if some 3rd party library just calls sin() all the time while you only need float precision
2012-08-03T09:54:18 < Tectu> okay
2012-08-03T09:54:39 < Tectu> can i say that a lookup table is aaaalways faster than calculating it, for example using the taylor series?
2012-08-03T09:56:04 < jpa-> it depends :)
2012-08-03T09:56:13 < Tectu> of course... :D
2012-08-03T09:56:15 < Tectu> on what?
2012-08-03T09:56:18 < jpa-> if you want good precision with a lookup table, you need some quite fancy interpolation
2012-08-03T09:57:28 < Tectu> well, back to my use case: i can just take sin() here since it only works with chibiOS which uses newlib or similar too?
2012-08-03T09:57:32 < zyp> or a pretty huge lookup table
2012-08-03T09:57:40 < zippe1> Tectu: Should be fine
2012-08-03T09:57:50 < Tectu> thanks
2012-08-03T09:58:03 < jpa-> Tectu: not everyone has sin() with chibios
2012-08-03T09:58:20 < jpa-> but then again, you don't need to care about everyone (about me :(
2012-08-03T09:58:23 < Tectu> when designing things like that, how do people choose between lookuptable vs. calculating it?
2012-08-03T09:58:33 < zippe1> Tectu: most people just use what their tools vendor supplies
2012-08-03T09:58:38 < Tectu> jpa-, just write into the docs/depencies that it is needed?
2012-08-03T09:58:48 < zyp> a full 32-bit lookup table is just 16 GiB, and then no interpolation is needed
2012-08-03T09:58:50 < Tectu> well, compiler would throw error when calling lcdDrawEllipse() then, i guess
2012-08-03T09:59:06 < zippe1> It will fail at link
2012-08-03T09:59:14 < zyp> just get a microsd and store it!
2012-08-03T09:59:51 < Tectu> interpolation is some smoothing algorithm i guess?
2012-08-03T10:00:31 < zippe1> Say you have a table that says that for input 1, you get output 5, and for input 3, you get output 10
2012-08-03T10:00:53 < zippe1> And assume that you have 2 as your input
2012-08-03T10:01:40 < zippe1> You can draw the table values on a 2d graph, or visualise it, that might help
2012-08-03T10:01:53 < zippe1> The simplest interpolation is linear.
2012-08-03T10:02:32 < zippe1> You say the values inbetween 1 and 3 should be on or near the line between 1,5 and 3,10.  So for 2 as an input, you can say that 7.5 is a good approximation of the output
2012-08-03T10:03:01 < Tectu> i understand :)
2012-08-03T10:03:22 < Tectu> of course you can go into endless optimization algorithms there too
2012-08-03T10:03:26 < zippe1> Ok, so every other interpolation technique is about making the approximation better.
2012-08-03T10:03:51 < zippe1> You can say "the line should be more like a polynomial", and use more than 2 values from the table
2012-08-03T10:04:20 < Tectu> so you say it is more like a circle than a straight line and calculate the offset then?
2012-08-03T10:04:27 < Tectu> the line between the two given points, i mean
2012-08-03T10:04:30 < zippe1> Then you fit a polynomial to the part of the table you care about, and then calculate the polynomial for the given input
2012-08-03T10:04:38 < zippe1> That's another approach
2012-08-03T10:04:48 < zippe1> Circles are bad for trig fitting though
2012-08-03T10:04:59 < zippe1> Since they only work well near the minima/maxima
2012-08-03T10:05:19 < zippe1> A third-order polynomial fit is pretty common
2012-08-03T10:05:43 < Tectu> o0
2012-08-03T10:05:45 < Tectu> how comes?
2012-08-03T10:05:47 < Tectu> that with the circles
2012-08-03T10:05:52 < Tectu> knowing pi -> no problem?
2012-08-03T10:06:12 < zippe1> Imagine trying to fit a circle to the part of a sin() curve around zero
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2012-08-03T10:06:27 < zippe1> The radius of the circle would be very, very big.
2012-08-03T10:06:33 < zippe1> probably too big for you to represent
2012-08-03T10:07:37 < Tectu> ah, i see what you mean
2012-08-03T10:09:12 < zippe1> dongs: I asked some folks that know him better about CT. They seemed to think what you described was not terribly surprising.
2012-08-03T10:09:30 < zippe1> dongs: also note, DefCon
2012-08-03T10:09:46 < dongs> yeah. also: http://www.ioactive.com/news-events/IOAFlyLogic12PR.html
2012-08-03T10:10:09 < Tectu> anyone here know how to implement a spline drawing function? :D
2012-08-03T10:10:15 < zippe1> Wahahaha.  Heh.
2012-08-03T10:10:23 < Tectu> or got a good fancy link about it, describing code, not math
2012-08-03T10:10:31 < dongs> tectu, what the fuck are you doing. is your shit gonna be relevant to my OSD stuff
2012-08-03T10:11:01 < Tectu> dongs, i am writing on an GLCD library
2012-08-03T10:11:09 < Tectu> it has 14'000 lines now
2012-08-03T10:11:23 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b2e7kTVvDE will it be useful for this
2012-08-03T10:11:38 < dongs> do you have: font/bitmap rotation?
2012-08-03T10:12:09 < Tectu> dongs, not yet, my asian guy is working on that
2012-08-03T10:12:22 < Tectu> there is nothing fancy yet
2012-08-03T10:12:25 < Tectu> just complete HAL
2012-08-03T10:12:30 < Tectu> and drawing primitives
2012-08-03T10:12:41 < dongs> well i got primitives done
2012-08-03T10:12:47 < dongs> are you drawing to framebuffer?
2012-08-03T10:12:49 < dongs> or directly to lcd
2012-08-03T10:12:51 < dongs> 1bit I guess?
2012-08-03T10:13:04 < Tectu> dongs, the library is to interface LCD controllers
2012-08-03T10:13:09 < Tectu> where you mosty write into their RAM
2012-08-03T10:13:14 < Tectu> over FSMC or GPIO/SPI
2012-08-03T10:13:28 < Tectu> mostly RGB565
2012-08-03T10:13:41 < dongs> useless then
2012-08-03T10:13:49 < dongs> i want leet optimized 1bit stuff
2012-08-03T10:13:54 < dongs> and im too dumb to do it myself
2012-08-03T10:14:02 < dongs> matrix rotation???? WTF IS THAT
2012-08-03T10:14:14 < Tectu> dongs, what do you have for primitives?
2012-08-03T10:14:23 < Tectu> i only have very basic ones, not even triangles
2012-08-03T10:14:31 < Tectu> only circles, rectangles, lines, ellipses
2012-08-03T10:14:35 < dongs> Tectu: general line, optimized h/v line, circles/filled circles
2012-08-03T10:14:45 < Tectu> no ellipse, sir?
2012-08-03T10:14:48 < dongs> nope
2012-08-03T10:14:54 < dongs> circles are like... using no math
2012-08-03T10:14:54 < Tectu> why not?
2012-08-03T10:15:01 < Tectu> lol
2012-08-03T10:15:16 < dongs> ripepd the circle code from ATMEL SOFTWARE FRAMEWORK
2012-08-03T10:15:40 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/84yXUa30.html
2012-08-03T10:15:42 < Tectu> can you share your circle drawing algo?
2012-08-03T10:15:48 < Tectu> lol
2012-08-03T10:15:50 < dongs> ^  right there
2012-08-03T10:15:58 < Tectu> mine:  https://github.com/Tectu/ChibiOS-LCD-Driver/blob/master/glcd/glcd.c#L552
2012-08-03T10:16:04 < Tectu> using filled as option when calling
2012-08-03T10:16:29 < dongs> mmh
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2012-08-03T10:16:38 < Tectu> dunno which of ours is moar fancy
2012-08-03T10:16:43 < Tectu> faster
2012-08-03T10:17:11 < Tectu> maybe zippe1 knows more again :D
2012-08-03T10:17:21 < dongs> it seems both of our shits are identical
2012-08-03T10:17:27 < dongs> except i can configure which quadrants to draw or not
2012-08-03T10:17:41 < Tectu> "octan_mask"
2012-08-03T10:17:49 < dongs> or octants wahtever yeah
2012-08-03T10:17:55 < Tectu> dongs, i think about implementing some  uint16_t degrees
2012-08-03T10:18:05 < Tectu> but not smart enought yet
2012-08-03T10:18:40 < dongs> Hmm
2012-08-03T10:18:44 < dongs> your ellipse doesnt have math either?
2012-08-03T10:18:48 < Tectu> lol dude your impelemntation is funny
2012-08-03T10:18:49 < dongs> i think ill rip that
2012-08-03T10:18:55 < dongs> cause my osd is like 400x200
2012-08-03T10:19:02 < dongs> so I will acutgally need to squish most stuff
2012-08-03T10:19:05 < dongs> for square pixels
2012-08-03T10:19:16 < dongs> though I dont really expect to draw a lot of circles
2012-08-03T10:19:40 < Tectu> yes, i just think it's funny, the   if() stuff for each octal...
2012-08-03T10:19:47 < Tectu> never saw something funnier in my life...
2012-08-03T10:19:59 < dongs> tectu, it worsk if you dont wanna draw a full circle
2012-08-03T10:20:28 < Tectu> dongs, why don't you implement a 0 to 360° thing
2012-08-03T10:20:32 < Tectu> so you can draw circle segments
2012-08-03T10:20:43 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS4kVR5JN3o then you can do fun shit like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS4kVR5JN3o see hte bouncing ball
2012-08-03T10:20:47 < Tectu> dongs, you're a copy paste whore, arent you?
2012-08-03T10:20:50 < dongs> I think that needs math
2012-08-03T10:20:53 < dongs> tectu, of course
2012-08-03T10:21:03 < dongs> why reinvent teh wheel when someone else already invented it
2012-08-03T10:22:38 < Tectu> 83 uploads
2012-08-03T10:22:40 < Tectu> fancy blogger you are
2012-08-03T10:28:06 < Tectu> dongs, you got some fancy functions which animates 3D cube on display?
2012-08-03T10:28:08 < Tectu> want to have fancy stuff
2012-08-03T10:28:14 < Tectu> for F4 + 320x240
2012-08-03T10:28:50 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/wQlJOj48.html
2012-08-03T10:28:52 < dongs> thats the cube one
2012-08-03T10:28:55 < dongs> its right in teh video description
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2012-08-03T10:29:46 < Tectu> dongs, how the hell do i use this
2012-08-03T10:30:00 < dongs> dont be a lazycunt
2012-08-03T10:30:03 < dongs> renderSpan = implement this
2012-08-03T10:30:07 < dongs> swapbuffers- implement this
2012-08-03T10:30:08 < dongs> done
2012-08-03T10:30:19 < dongs> then run mainvector()
2012-08-03T10:30:57 < Tectu> i just have to implement renderSpan() and swapBuffers() ?
2012-08-03T10:31:01 < dongs> yes
2012-08-03T10:31:11 < Tectu> what thel hell is renderSpan()
2012-08-03T10:31:15 < Tectu> span?
2012-08-03T10:31:16 < dongs> .. horizonal line
2012-08-03T10:31:23 < dongs> of given width
2012-08-03T10:31:24 < dongs> thats all
2012-08-03T10:31:29 < Tectu> wtf?
2012-08-03T10:31:34 < Tectu> so just use lcdDrawLine() here?
2012-08-03T10:31:40 < dongs> yes
2012-08-03T10:31:45 < dongs> though you should optimize it probably
2012-08-03T10:31:45 < Tectu> wait, it uses horizontal lines to draw a rotating cube?
2012-08-03T10:31:48 < dongs> yes
2012-08-03T10:31:53 < dongs> its a proper 3d engine
2012-08-03T10:31:59 < Tectu> can you explain?
2012-08-03T10:32:03 < dongs> fuck no
2012-08-03T10:32:20 < zyp> straight lines, not horisontal
2012-08-03T10:32:30 < zyp> it's pretty easy
2012-08-03T10:32:32 < dongs> yes horizontal...
2012-08-03T10:32:44 < dongs> wtf is a "straight line"
2012-08-03T10:33:15 < zyp> you just have some kind of perspective matrix that translates 3d coordinates to 2d, I guess
2012-08-03T10:33:21 < zyp> similar to how opengl works
2012-08-03T10:33:46 < Tectu> does your ILI932 have a framebuffer?
2012-08-03T10:33:52 < Tectu> how am i supposed to implement this on my side?
2012-08-03T10:33:55 < dongs> in fsmc mode sure
2012-08-03T10:33:56 < Tectu> don't have such a thing
2012-08-03T10:34:01 < Tectu> how about GPIO here
2012-08-03T10:34:07 < dongs> i draw into framebuffer in my code
2012-08-03T10:34:10 < dongs> just draw directly to lcd
2012-08-03T10:34:12 < dongs> in render span
2012-08-03T10:34:16 < dongs> you'll have some tearing or whatever
2012-08-03T10:34:17 < dongs> but shrug
2012-08-03T10:34:25 < dongs> you really should just doublebuffer
2012-08-03T10:34:34 < Tectu> so i don't call swapBuffers and directly call lcdDrawLine() in renderSpan() ?
2012-08-03T10:34:35 < dongs> render to ram -> copy it off
2012-08-03T10:34:38 < dongs> yeah
2012-08-03T10:34:43 < dongs> it'll be ugly but you will see it working
2012-08-03T10:34:46 < Tectu> dongs, how much of RAM does it use?
2012-08-03T10:34:58 < dongs> the actual algo? almost nothing, your framebuffer is the problem
2012-08-03T10:35:17 < Tectu> is an F1 capable of rendering this cube with a fluid amount of FPS?
2012-08-03T10:35:25 < dongs> yes, one of my osd videos is doing it
2012-08-03T10:35:36 < dongs> and its drawing it during the vblank period
2012-08-03T10:35:50 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1yeJZDW_QA
2012-08-03T10:36:14 < Tectu> well, framebuffer would be  320*240*2 in my case?
2012-08-03T10:36:30 < dongs> i guess so
2012-08-03T10:36:45 < dongs> which is way too much even for F4.
2012-08-03T10:36:54 < Tectu> right
2012-08-03T10:37:00 < Tectu> so how to do it the right way in my case?
2012-08-03T10:37:14 < dongs> just drawline in renderspan.
2012-08-03T10:37:31 < Tectu> with getting 5FPS then?
2012-08-03T10:37:36 < dongs> nope
2012-08-03T10:37:43 < Tectu> but?
2012-08-03T10:37:47 < Tectu> 10?
2012-08-03T10:37:50 < dongs> it'll be as fast as your shit can go over wahtever interface youre using
2012-08-03T10:37:54 < dongs> could be over 9000.
2012-08-03T10:37:58 < Tectu> lol
2012-08-03T10:38:06 < dongs> in my demo the biggest problem is the SPI>LCD interface
2012-08-03T10:38:12 < dongs> actual math takes almost nothing
2012-08-03T10:38:21 < Tectu> i guess i will do beter with 16bit GPIO where it is on the same GPIO Port
2012-08-03T10:38:25 < dongs> if I remember correctly it was like 30ms to redraw 128x128 block
2012-08-03T10:38:27 < Tectu> GPIOE[0:15]
2012-08-03T10:38:27 < dongs> i wasnt using DMA
2012-08-03T10:38:42 < Tectu> i can clear the LCD with about 150 fps
2012-08-03T10:38:50 < Tectu> using lcdFillArea()
2012-08-03T10:39:03 < Tectu> no hardware accelerated clearing
2012-08-03T10:39:06 < zyp> «I can do nothing 150 times per second»
2012-08-03T10:40:11 < Tectu> dongs, what's copyright on your cube render thingy?
2012-08-03T10:42:21 < zyp> it's probably stolen
2012-08-03T10:42:34 < Tectu> Copyright (c) Scali @ EFNet
2012-08-03T10:46:08 < dongs> ^
2012-08-03T10:46:26 < dongs> he's a demoscene faggot
2012-08-03T10:48:50 < Tectu> what do you mean?
2012-08-03T10:49:37 < dongs> argh
2012-08-03T10:49:41 < dongs> you ask too many questions
2012-08-03T10:50:04 < Tectu> just tell me what you mean
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2012-08-03T10:53:57 < Tectu> dongs, !
2012-08-03T10:55:18 < dongs> hi
2012-08-03T10:55:19 < dongs> what?
2012-08-03T10:55:49 < Tectu> lol
2012-08-03T11:26:59 < Oldboy> rectum
2012-08-03T11:27:23 < Tectu> Oldboy, please?
2012-08-03T11:43:00 < dongs> bored
2012-08-03T11:43:02 < dongs> what2do
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2012-08-03T12:27:01 < Tectu> dongs, blog
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2012-08-03T12:54:50 < dongs> Laurenceb_: beep
2012-08-03T12:54:58 < dongs> 10:13 < dongs> http://www.bosch-presse.de/presseforum/details.htm?txtID=5512&locale=en
2012-08-03T12:55:02 < dongs> y/n/mare
2012-08-03T12:56:46 < Laurenceb_> no datasheet
2012-08-03T12:58:16 < zyp> inb4 «oh nice… but it sucks»
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2012-08-03T13:23:03 < cjbaird> distcc'ing a gcc build \o/~
2012-08-03T13:29:37 <+dekar> cjbaird, is that stuff hard to setup?
2012-08-03T13:29:47 <+dekar> I feel like I want more power all the time
2012-08-03T13:29:57 <+dekar> and we have some wicket 8 core servers at the company
2012-08-03T13:30:01 <+dekar> *wicked
2012-08-03T13:32:34 < cjbaird> ddistcc is probably easier than a lot of other things I've tried (Beowulf..) Install distccd on the servers, config /etc/distcc/hosts on the client, and a lot of the time it's just "CC=distcc make"
2012-08-03T13:33:24 < cjbaird> "CC=distcc make -jN", rather
2012-08-03T13:37:24 < Tectu> can someone tell me why there is undefined reference to cos, sin, sqrt  when i have  #include <math.h> ?
2012-08-03T13:37:27 < Tectu> using ChibiOS
2012-08-03T13:38:13 < Tectu> is there some makefile magic needed to use math.h?
2012-08-03T13:38:22 < Tectu> or has newlib some other headers for those functions?
2012-08-03T13:39:14 <+dekar> does anyone know capacitive touch controllers what work well with linux?
2012-08-03T13:40:20 < cjbaird> super-exciting gcc compile: http://i.imgur.com/eg6v0.png
2012-08-03T13:41:05 < Tectu> cjbaird, is that i3?
2012-08-03T13:41:41 < cjbaird> as in the window manager? No, just plain sawfish, without a DE.
2012-08-03T13:42:03 < Tectu> nice
2012-08-03T13:42:09 < Tectu> i3 is afaik without DE
2012-08-03T13:42:15 < jpa-> Tectu: you need -lm
2012-08-03T13:43:31 < Tectu> thank you jpa-
2012-08-03T13:45:56 < Tectu> dongs, can you provide sourcecode where you called/used 3D cube?
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2012-08-03T14:04:03 < dongs> Tectu: ??
2012-08-03T14:04:21 < dongs> you only implement renderspan then just call vectorcubemain() which will while(1)
2012-08-03T14:04:24 < dongs> thats all.
2012-08-03T14:04:29 < Tectu> yeah, dosen't work here
2012-08-03T14:04:32 < Tectu> LCD works
2012-08-03T14:04:35 < Tectu> but blank screen
2012-08-03T14:04:38 < Tectu> no crash
2012-08-03T14:05:55 < Tectu> dongs,   http://pastebin.com/CiwZ6ZFF
2012-08-03T14:05:55 < Tectu> line 58
2012-08-03T14:06:06 < Tectu> also adjusted line 15/16
2012-08-03T14:06:27 < Tectu> calling renderCube() (line 278) works, the LCD clears
2012-08-03T14:06:31 < Tectu> then nothgin gets displayd
2012-08-03T14:06:40 < Tectu> i linked with   -lm   to use sin, cos and sqrt
2012-08-03T14:06:45 < dongs> ...
2012-08-03T14:06:49 < dongs> lcdDrawLine(x, y, x+length, y, White);
2012-08-03T14:06:51 < dongs> White? really?
2012-08-03T14:07:00 < dongs> so why are you complaining your entire lcd is white?
2012-08-03T14:07:12 < Tectu> the entire LCD is black
2012-08-03T14:07:19 < Tectu> well, dosen't work with color as well
2012-08-03T14:07:44 < dongs> get rid of lcdclear
2012-08-03T14:08:03 < Tectu> when removing that, it dosen't work as well
2012-08-03T14:08:05 < Tectu> tried that before
2012-08-03T14:08:48 < dongs> totally works here
2012-08-03T14:08:50 < dongs> youre doing something wrong
2012-08-03T14:08:57 < Tectu> idea what?
2012-08-03T14:09:11 < Tectu> what about line 15,16,17
2012-08-03T14:09:21 < Tectu> shoudl work?
2012-08-03T14:09:43 < dongs> well bpp doesnt matter
2012-08-03T14:09:48 < dongs> only width/height does
2012-08-03T14:10:03 < Tectu> that's the width and height of the LCD in pixels, right
2012-08-03T14:10:24 < dongs> what made you think it was neccessary to remove min/max?
2012-08-03T14:10:44 < Tectu> that's some math library implementation?
2012-08-03T14:11:22 < Tectu> compilers means conflicting types for 'max' and 'min'
2012-08-03T14:11:40 < dongs> anyway, dont see why it wouldnt work
2012-08-03T14:12:35 < Tectu> dongs, arent min() and max() the same as math.h provideS?
2012-08-03T14:12:54 < Tectu> dongs, probably found the problem
2012-08-03T14:13:54 < Tectu> cool, works now
2012-08-03T14:13:56 < Tectu> just to fast speed
2012-08-03T14:14:13 < dongs> heh
2012-08-03T14:14:19 < dongs> waht was it
2012-08-03T14:16:37 < Tectu> min/max
2012-08-03T14:16:40 < Tectu> :D
2012-08-03T14:16:50 < Tectu> well, it work now, somehow
2012-08-03T14:17:04 < Tectu> there is the cube, but it has a few pixels arround it which aren't getting cleared
2012-08-03T14:17:12 < Tectu> like a cloud arround the cube
2012-08-03T14:18:09 < Tectu> but only at the bottom half of it
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2012-08-03T14:19:33 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-03T14:21:07 < Tectu> nu
2012-08-03T14:21:30 < Tectu> dongs, guess that's the problem with tbe buffering
2012-08-03T14:21:35 < Tectu> because the cube appears to be transparent :D
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2012-08-03T14:27:27 < Tectu> dongs, do the SSD1289 and similar display have framebuffers usable over GPIO? do you know that?
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2012-08-03T15:39:36 < dongs> unsure
2012-08-03T15:53:35 < Laurenceb> hell yeah
2012-08-03T15:53:44 < Laurenceb> my dow corning samples have arrived
2012-08-03T15:54:06 < Laurenceb> time to mix up some  chemical(s) listed by the State of California under the Safe Drinking Water
2012-08-03T15:54:06 < Laurenceb> and Toxic Enforcement Act of 1986 (Proposition 65) as being known to cause cancer, birth defects or other
2012-08-03T15:54:06 < Laurenceb> reproductive harm.
2012-08-03T15:54:35 < Laurenceb> better not dip my bits in
2012-08-03T15:55:35 < Tectu> what?
2012-08-03T15:55:50 < Laurenceb> lots of adhesives
2012-08-03T15:56:14 < Laurenceb> for assembling flexipcb/silicone layups
2012-08-03T15:56:34 < Tectu> Laurenceb, you're a strange guy
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2012-08-03T15:56:58 < Laurenceb> i make medical hardware
2012-08-03T15:59:27 < Tectu> ah
2012-08-03T15:59:33 < Tectu> so why are you on IRC
2012-08-03T16:08:43 < Laurenceb> cuz im bored
2012-08-03T16:09:03 < Laurenceb> and theres noone else in the building here
2012-08-03T16:09:22 < Laurenceb> and there never is
2012-08-03T16:09:31 < Laurenceb> at the golf course on the other hand...
2012-08-03T16:20:19 <+Steffanx> Tectu is a wise man :)
2012-08-03T16:21:30 < Tectu> how comes, Steffanx
2012-08-03T16:21:45 <+Steffanx> You found out laurenceb is a strange guy
2012-08-03T16:21:54 < Tectu> lol
2012-08-03T16:33:51 < dongs> tectu, im gonna murder you
2012-08-03T16:38:20 <+Steffanx> Go for it dongs
2012-08-03T16:38:47 < Laurenceb> fight fight fight fight
2012-08-03T16:43:44 < Tectu> dongs, for what?
2012-08-03T16:44:26 < dongs> tectu, you are well aware
2012-08-03T16:45:20 < Tectu> dongs, what the hell are you talking about
2012-08-03T16:46:27 < Tectu> dongs, do you mean what i think you mean?
2012-08-03T16:46:35 < Tectu> dongs, why should that matter? I just did the right thing
2012-08-03T16:46:45 < dongs> yes
2012-08-03T16:46:47 < dongs> no
2012-08-03T16:47:11 < Tectu> dongs, tell me what is wrong in your eyes
2012-08-03T16:47:34 < dongs> think about it
2012-08-03T16:48:27 < Tectu> i just asked a guy which had a copyright header in a sourcecode i saw on the interned about the licensing of it
2012-08-03T16:49:11 < Tectu> dongs, ^
2012-08-03T16:49:24 < dongs> tectu, that's still a murderable offense
2012-08-03T16:49:55 < Tectu> lol
2012-08-03T16:49:56 < Tectu> of course
2012-08-03T16:50:18 < Tectu> but nice to see that you can write sentenses without using shit, nigger, jew etc. inside them
2012-08-03T16:52:21 < zyp> dongs, what, did the original author of the code call you out on stealing it?
2012-08-03T16:52:23 < zyp> :p
2012-08-03T16:52:29 < dongs> shut up you shitty zionist faggot nigger.
2012-08-03T16:52:53 < dongs> zyp, no he bitched at me that this tectu guy was bugging him about shit
2012-08-03T16:56:44 < Tectu> dongs, lol if he writes    Scali @ EFNet, then he's an idiot himself, when he dosen't want to get contacted
2012-08-03T16:57:54 < dongs> i wrote that header.
2012-08-03T17:00:35 < Tectu> then he shall blame you, not e
2012-08-03T17:00:36 < Tectu> me*
2012-08-03T17:01:36 < dongs> <Scali> All ur fault!
2012-08-03T17:01:38 < dongs> thats what he said!
2012-08-03T17:02:07 < Tectu> not my problem
2012-08-03T17:02:13 < Tectu> I am out, later
2012-08-03T17:03:30 < dongs> ^ guy cant take a joke
2012-08-03T17:04:34 < Tectu> or maybe i just troll back.
2012-08-03T17:11:58 < Tectu> dongs, btw, it sucks without frame buffer
2012-08-03T17:12:04 < dongs> yes
2012-08-03T17:12:09 < dongs> ive told you taht
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2012-08-03T17:14:08 < Tectu> dongs, when i asked if your LCD module has framebuffer, you said over FSMC of course
2012-08-03T17:14:21 < Tectu> does that mean it dosen't have over other interfaces? o0
2012-08-03T17:14:36 < dongs> tectu, ili has lcd ram but not double buffered
2012-08-03T17:14:44 < dongs> noen of the cheap trash does.
2012-08-03T17:14:53 < Tectu> yeah
2012-08-03T17:14:56 < Tectu> so how did you do it?
2012-08-03T17:14:57 < dongs> what i mean is over fsmc it looks mostly like ram
2012-08-03T17:15:23 < Tectu> but do you stream the date to your LCD or do you store it inside your STM ram?
2012-08-03T17:15:29 < dongs> yes
2012-08-03T17:15:33 < dongs> the latter
2012-08-03T17:15:36 < Tectu> i guess you don't have enought RAM inside your µC to store a frame?!
2012-08-03T17:15:46 < Tectu> you need 128*128*2 in your case?!
2012-08-03T17:15:50 < Tectu> that's over 20kB
2012-08-03T17:15:54 < dongs> the cube is rendered into 128x128
2012-08-03T17:16:06 < dongs> which one, the OSD demo?
2012-08-03T17:16:11 < dongs> osd uses 1bit framebuffer
2012-08-03T17:16:18 < dongs> 400/8*200 bytes
2012-08-03T17:16:21 < Tectu> where is the sense of that?
2012-08-03T17:16:35 < dongs> the sense is it only takes 10k of ram
2012-08-03T17:16:48 < dongs> and i clock it out over spi
2012-08-03T17:16:50 < Tectu> well, but  128x128x2 bytes are still 32kB of RAM which I would need inside my STM32?
2012-08-03T17:16:51 < dongs> with minimal effort
2012-08-03T17:17:12 < Tectu> but 1bit buffer=è
2012-08-03T17:17:15 < Tectu> ?!*
2012-08-03T17:17:21 < Tectu> that's just like no buffer
2012-08-03T17:17:26 < dongs> 1bpp
2012-08-03T17:17:27 < dongs> christ
2012-08-03T17:17:30 < Tectu> aaah!
2012-08-03T17:17:31 < dongs> you are so sufcking slowp
2012-08-03T17:17:39 < dongs> < dongs> 400/8*200 bytes
2012-08-03T17:17:42 < Tectu> so you you drop the color stuff?
2012-08-03T17:17:55 < dongs> on teh fucking osd yes because i casn only do white or black anyway
2012-08-03T17:18:17 < dongs> on color cube demo i was rendering to 128x128*2 buffer
2012-08-03T17:18:21 < dongs> then displaying it in the lcd.
2012-08-03T17:18:55 < Tectu> extern uint16_t FrameBuffer[128 * 128];
2012-08-03T17:19:10 < Tectu> that's 16k?!
2012-08-03T17:19:18 < dongs> yea and?
2012-08-03T17:19:23 < dongs> it was on f4 with 192k.
2012-08-03T17:19:27 < Tectu> oh
2012-08-03T17:19:39 < Tectu> let me check how many my STM32F103VET has
2012-08-03T17:20:00 < Tectu> ILI932x_draw_framebuffer(FrameBuffer, 128, 128);
2012-08-03T17:20:04 < Tectu> can you provide?
2012-08-03T17:20:06 < dongs> 64k
2012-08-03T17:20:21 < dongs> mine is on SPI
2012-08-03T17:20:24 < dongs> you said  yours was on wide gpio
2012-08-03T17:20:27 < dongs> would bt totally irrelevant
2012-08-03T17:22:16 < Tectu> why did i always thought my F103VET does have 16k
2012-08-03T17:22:33 < dongs> 20k is minimum shit from medium density and up
2012-08-03T17:22:35 < dongs> anything higher has more.
2012-08-03T17:24:35 < Tectu> so I don't have any problems storing it
2012-08-03T17:25:22 < Tectu> <dongs> on color cube demo i was rendering to 128x128*2 buffer
2012-08-03T17:25:31 < dongs> yes
2012-08-03T17:25:32 < dongs> on F4
2012-08-03T17:25:34 < Tectu> wait
2012-08-03T17:25:40 < Tectu> <dongs> < dongs> 400/8*200 bytes
2012-08-03T17:25:45 < dongs> OSD on F103
2012-08-03T17:25:49 < dongs> 2 different projects
2012-08-03T17:25:49 < Tectu> not sure where the 400/8 comes from
2012-08-03T17:25:53 < dongs> the 1bpp part.
2012-08-03T17:26:11 < Tectu> but 16bbp (full color) would be 2 bytes
2012-08-03T17:26:13 < Tectu> so why not /2 ?
2012-08-03T17:26:14 < Tectu> o0
2012-08-03T17:26:26 < dongs> wtf dude
2012-08-03T17:26:29 < dongs> its 2 separate projects
2012-08-03T17:26:31 < Tectu> yes, i think the same
2012-08-03T17:26:32 < dongs> 1) color  cube on f4
2012-08-03T17:26:36 < dongs> 2) b&w cube on f103
2012-08-03T17:26:43 < dongs> f4 = 16bpp
2012-08-03T17:26:45 < dongs> f103 = 1bpp
2012-08-03T17:27:03 < Tectu> what does bpp stand for anyways
2012-08-03T17:27:08 < Tectu> it's the color depth, right?
2012-08-03T17:27:11 < dongs> BITS PER FUCKING PIXEL
2012-08-03T17:27:12 < dongs> yes
2012-08-03T17:27:22 < dongs> so 1bpp = I can fit 8 pixels in a bytre
2012-08-03T17:27:39 < Tectu> if you pack it the right way
2012-08-03T17:27:44 < dongs> and I do
2012-08-03T17:28:22 < Tectu> well, when i want to store the 128*128*2 area, so 16bpp, i'd still need 32k
2012-08-03T17:28:29 < dongs> yes.
2012-08-03T17:28:51 < dongs> you could do clever shit, since lcd has its own ram.
2012-08-03T17:28:56 < Tectu> can i read out ram usage over GDB? :D
2012-08-03T17:28:59 < dongs> you can keep track of whats rendered and only update whats needed.
2012-08-03T17:29:11 < Tectu> dongs, awesome when using the lightning
2012-08-03T17:30:13 < Tectu> there would be 99% changed
2012-08-03T17:30:23 < Tectu> <Tectu> can i read out ram usage over GDB? :D
2012-08-03T17:30:31 < dongs> ram usaeg of what
2012-08-03T17:30:47 < dongs> objsize or whatever tells you how much static ram you are using
2012-08-03T17:30:47 < Tectu> dunno, just break the program and check how many RAM is used
2012-08-03T17:30:59 < dongs> are you even d oing any dynamic allocation?
2012-08-03T17:31:27 < Tectu> would use malloc from ChibiOS
2012-08-03T17:31:40 < Tectu>    text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
2012-08-03T17:31:40 < Tectu>   20156	    320	   5156	  25632	   6420	build/gui.elf
2012-08-03T17:31:44 < Tectu> that you meant?
2012-08-03T17:31:58 < zyp> yes, static ram usage is data+bss
2012-08-03T17:32:31 < Tectu> what is dec/hex?  the total amount of the image?  so text + data + bss?
2012-08-03T17:32:42 < zyp> yes
2012-08-03T17:32:48 < Tectu> so 25k here?
2012-08-03T17:32:58 < zyp> it's not relevant
2012-08-03T17:33:03 < Tectu> well, that's the elf
2012-08-03T17:33:09 < Tectu> it will only flash about 8k, right?
2012-08-03T17:33:21 < Tectu> because elf containt the entire debug stuff
2012-08-03T17:33:23 < zyp> no, it will flash text+data
2012-08-03T17:33:26 < Tectu> symbollist or whatever
2012-08-03T17:33:40 < Tectu> but when i flash that image, it says something about +8k written
2012-08-03T17:35:40 < Tectu> ?
2012-08-03T17:36:03 < Tectu> text + data is about 20500 bytes here
2012-08-03T17:36:05 < Tectu> nothing with 8k
2012-08-03T17:37:49 < Tectu> well, another question.   where data contains the global and static variables which are initialized, bss contains the unitialized ones, right?
2012-08-03T17:37:50 < zyp> I have no idea what you are going on about
2012-08-03T17:38:01 < zyp> yes, bss is zero-initialized
2012-08-03T17:38:05 < Tectu> so   int i =10;  <--- data         int i;   <-- bss
2012-08-03T17:38:12 < Tectu> yeah, but where is the sense of splitting that?
2012-08-03T17:38:25 < Tectu> why not butting bss in data and give it some 0 value when "assembling" the image
2012-08-03T17:38:32 < zyp> so you don't have to store 5k of zeros in flash
2012-08-03T17:39:22 < Tectu> ah, the zero-inizialized only happens when "starting" the image?
2012-08-03T17:39:29 < Tectu> they don't store each zero?
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2012-08-03T17:41:06 < zyp> exactly
2012-08-03T17:41:29 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/suzumebachi/tree/entry.cpp <- see here for instance
2012-08-03T17:44:42 < Tectu> cool, thank you
2012-08-03T17:49:15 < Tectu> interesting article:  http://digitalvampire.org/blog/index.php/2006/07/31/why-you-shouldnt-use-__attribute__packed/
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2012-08-03T17:53:55 <+Steffanx> Someone skipped the 'how to use the correct encoding' class tectu ..
2012-08-03T17:54:15 < Tectu> i agree
2012-08-03T17:54:30 < Tectu> can anyone explain me why this happens on architectures like sparc etc?
2012-08-03T17:54:42 < dongs> sparc obsoletes itself
2012-08-03T17:54:46 < dongs> by doing shit like that
2012-08-03T17:54:51 < Tectu> let's say you have a 32-bit architecture, and you do 2x 32-bits packed
2012-08-03T17:54:53 < Tectu> where is the problem?
2012-08-03T17:55:03 < dongs> because its already packed
2012-08-03T17:55:14 < Tectu> why dosen't the compiler check and ignore?
2012-08-03T17:57:28 < Tectu> ys
2012-08-03T18:03:42 <+Steffanx> "because GCC is crap"
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2012-08-03T18:48:50 < zippe1> Tectu: The "packed" attribute doesn't work the way most people think it does
2012-08-03T18:49:15 < zippe1> When applied to a structure, it means the structure is or can be packed into a parent container.
2012-08-03T18:49:27 < zippe1> So the compiler can't assume that the structure is well-aligned.
2012-08-03T18:49:41 < zippe1> If what you want is a tightly-packed structure, use #pragma pack
2012-08-03T18:49:55 < zippe1> Or, order the fields in your structure from largest to smallest
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2012-08-03T19:19:53 < pileopython> Steffanx: you ever use any other open source toolchains like sdcc or jal?
2012-08-03T19:20:54 < jpa-> i use sdcc for pics
2012-08-03T19:21:37 < pileopython> I was using it for the 8051 and I pretty much vowed to never work with a processor that wasnt gcc supported
2012-08-03T19:23:36 < jpa-> yeah, it's pretty limited
2012-08-03T19:23:52 < jpa-> beats assembler any day, but don't expect to compile any serious C code
2012-08-03T19:31:07 <+Steffanx> I also used sdcc for pics once ..
2012-08-03T19:31:55 <+Steffanx> The good old times *not*
2012-08-03T19:32:23 <+Steffanx> Hey, jpa- still working on your ball robot?
2012-08-03T19:32:28 <+Steffanx> *-,
2012-08-03T19:32:35 < pileopython> I have used plenty of equally buggy commercial compilers as well
2012-08-03T19:33:13 < pileopython> gcc for the arm is painfull but I would have a hard time calling it crap
2012-08-03T19:33:20 < jpa-> Steffanx: i have been taking a break off it, but it's not done yet :)
2012-08-03T19:34:25 <+Steffanx> hm, too bad
2012-08-03T19:35:18 < jpa-> don't worry, i'll finish it some time
2012-08-03T19:35:46 < jpa-> maybe i'll have to beat into my mind that 100 Hz kalman filter is fast enough and just use quaternions..
2012-08-03T19:39:01 <+Steffanx> Hehe :)
2012-08-03T19:48:25 < zippe1> I've used SDCC on 8051 quite a bit.
2012-08-03T19:48:29 < zippe1> It's not so bad.
2012-08-03T19:48:46 < zippe1> The 3.x variants are definitely better though
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2012-08-03T20:17:43 < Laurenceb> http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/NHS-praise-chip-pan-horror/story-16584151-detail/story.html
2012-08-03T20:17:45 < Laurenceb> lolling
2012-08-03T20:18:00 < Laurenceb> they missed out the bit where he ignited petrol as well
2012-08-03T20:20:57 <+Steffanx> Not sure if i can 'LOL' about that
2012-08-03T20:22:45 < Laurenceb> hes sitting next to me atm
2012-08-03T20:22:56 < Laurenceb> and doesnt mind too much :P
2012-08-03T20:23:15 <+Steffanx> Ok, say Hi
2012-08-03T20:23:22 < Laurenceb> :P
2012-08-03T21:03:31 < Oldboy> this snottingham ?
2012-08-03T21:05:06 <+Steffanx> For you it is Oldboy
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2012-08-04T00:16:08 < sourcebox> Hi everybody. Has anyone of you already used the DFU protocol to upgrade STM32 devices?
2012-08-04T00:18:53 < sourcebox> The reason I ask is because I'm working on a tool that should enable end users to do the upgrade
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2012-08-04T00:52:56 < zyp> sourcebox, which family?
2012-08-04T00:55:46 < sourcebox> DFU should be possible with all USB enabled chips
2012-08-04T00:56:11 < sourcebox> I tested it only with the L1
2012-08-04T00:56:57 < zyp> yes, but F2/F4 supports DFU in the ROM bootloader
2012-08-04T00:57:09 < sourcebox> That's true
2012-08-04T00:57:15 < zyp> so I just wondered if you were using that or writing your own
2012-08-04T00:57:30 < sourcebox> But there is an demo application from ST
2012-08-04T00:57:43 < sourcebox> In the USB device lib
2012-08-04T01:02:03 < zyp> so, are you wondering about anything specific?
2012-08-04T01:02:28 < zyp> I've looked a bit at DFU, but haven't used it for my own projects yet
2012-08-04T01:03:31 < sourcebox> What I mainly did is the host part, and I'm wondering if someone is interested in such kind of tool
2012-08-04T01:05:05 < zyp> it's a generic DFU loader?
2012-08-04T01:05:10 < sourcebox> Yes
2012-08-04T01:05:17 < zyp> cli or gui? what about OS support?
2012-08-04T01:05:24 < sourcebox> But still work in progress
2012-08-04T01:05:31 < sourcebox> it has a gui
2012-08-04T01:05:48 < sourcebox> should be cross-platform lin/win/osx
2012-08-04T01:06:06 < sourcebox> Screenshot: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1538141/dfu_tool.png
2012-08-04T01:06:43 < sourcebox> You can select the device to upgrade, a file, then download it
2012-08-04T01:07:21 < zyp> libusb based?
2012-08-04T01:07:24 < sourcebox> Yes
2012-08-04T01:07:42 < zyp> I suspect you would have driver issues on windows
2012-08-04T01:07:53 < sourcebox> It made in Python with Qt, but can be packed as standalone
2012-08-04T01:08:39 < sourcebox> Yes, driver on windows is a problem, but I hope it can be solved
2012-08-04T01:09:13 < sourcebox> As I understand, the generic libusb driver can do it
2012-08-04T01:10:07 < zyp> yes, but you have to load that driver for a specific device before you can access it, so it's not that straight forward
2012-08-04T01:10:54 < sourcebox> That's a good point
2012-08-04T01:11:34 < zyp> anyway, looks like a nice tool
2012-08-04T01:12:04 < zyp> pyside/pyusb is how I make my own stuff too :p
2012-08-04T01:12:08 < sourcebox> I didn't find any gui tool, only command line based stuff
2012-08-04T01:12:53 < sourcebox> I intend to put it on GitHub at some point
2012-08-04T01:13:08 < zyp> I'm a cli guy myself, but I'm sure other people would be interested in your gui
2012-08-04T01:16:21 < sourcebox> I think firmware upgrade for end users is a common task and the DFU protocol is a standard for doing it. Do you think there is a better solution?
2012-08-04T01:22:19 < zyp> not really
2012-08-04T01:23:18 < zyp> though, if the device already have another application to use it over USB, the DFU stuff could be included in it
2012-08-04T01:25:23 < sourcebox> But DFU needs a different mode, so the descriptors have to be changed
2012-08-04T01:25:51 < zyp> yes, that's device side
2012-08-04T01:26:31 < sourcebox> I think the main problem is Windows not recognizing it
2012-08-04T01:26:47 < zyp> that's why I like to ignore windows :p
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2012-08-04T01:27:16 < pileopython> must be nice
2012-08-04T01:27:20 < sourcebox> Yes, but unfortunately some customers don't
2012-08-04T01:27:20 <+Steffann> zyp and his windows-phobia
2012-08-04T01:27:35 < zyp> I don't have customers to worry about :)
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2012-08-04T01:29:27 < sourcebox> Currently it works quite well on my OS X machine, on Linux I didn't do enough testing, but should't be that hard to make it work
2012-08-04T01:29:42 < pileopython> Those of us with customers must deal with the windblows.....
2012-08-04T01:29:43 < sourcebox> I think udev rules must be defined
2012-08-04T01:30:09 < zyp> sourcebox, either that or run the utility as root
2012-08-04T01:30:30 < zyp> or just set the permissions manually
2012-08-04T01:30:44 < sourcebox> At least the gui shows up on all 3 platforms yet
2012-08-04T01:30:56 < zyp> well, it's Qt :p
2012-08-04T01:31:50 < R2COM> today noticed recently that the errata for I2c for stm32 is big
2012-08-04T01:31:57 < R2COM> it seems i2c there is a little messy
2012-08-04T01:32:26 <+Steffann> :D
2012-08-04T01:32:30 < R2COM> what
2012-08-04T01:32:45 <+Steffann> It is know :)
2012-08-04T01:32:52 <+Steffann> known
2012-08-04T01:32:53 < R2COM> i remember long long time ago, for PIC, read datasheet, programmed registers, and got my shit working in no time
2012-08-04T01:33:03 < R2COM> here i had to fuck around and fuck around and fuck around
2012-08-04T01:33:18 < zyp> R2COM, just go back to PIC and stop whining then
2012-08-04T01:33:23 < R2COM> SPI was kinda same, but not as bad, it took few days to get that one working too
2012-08-04T01:33:25 <+Steffann> And still you forgot to fuck around?
2012-08-04T01:33:41 < R2COM> zyp: i havent asked you what to do.
2012-08-04T01:34:30 < zyp> you don't need to either, I've already answered you
2012-08-04T01:34:59 < R2COM> zyp: i havent asked you a question which needed answer.
2012-08-04T01:35:15 <+Steffann> Bitchfight!
2012-08-04T01:36:54 < sourcebox> It's good to know that some people with Python knowledge are around here
2012-08-04T01:37:07 < zyp> :)
2012-08-04T01:37:47 < sourcebox> I'm more or less a beginner with it
2012-08-04T01:39:26 <+Steffann> I still have the idea python is more used for hacky and fast written tests than it's used for 'real' things
2012-08-04T01:39:52 < zyp> Steffann, you're pretty wrong about that :p
2012-08-04T01:40:01 <+Steffann> I'm not
2012-08-04T01:40:12 < sourcebox> Google uses a lot of Python code
2012-08-04T01:40:15 < pileopython> I would like to agree with that except that there isnt anything as cross platform and rapid in terms of prottyping
2012-08-04T01:40:48 <+Steffann> Yeah, google is one vs 100000 others using it for hacky projects
2012-08-04T01:40:52 < sourcebox> Dropbox is based on python as well
2012-08-04T01:41:06 < pileopython> I spent a lot of time trying to perl, c and ruby but if you need to do gui or hardware interfacing nothing comes close
2012-08-04T01:41:28 <+Steffann> Qt and c++ is pretty easy as well
2012-08-04T01:41:32 < pileopython> as a language in general it kind of sucks ass
2012-08-04T01:42:00 <+Steffann> Anyway, gn
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2012-08-04T01:42:51 < sourcebox> I wanted to have it work on Windows without the need for Visual Studio or similar
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2012-08-04T03:23:44 < dongs> rofl watching olympics some chinks name is Dong Dong
2012-08-04T03:29:09 < zyp> so one can rightfully say that he is Dongs
2012-08-04T03:29:35 < dongs> what are you doing up and trolling at this time
2012-08-04T03:30:51 < zyp> just went to bed, so I was just checking if I missed anything interesting the last couple of hours
2012-08-04T03:33:32 < dongs> unlikely
2012-08-04T03:33:34 < zyp> ha, even the norwegian news is writing about Dong Dong
2012-08-04T03:33:39 < dongs> haha
2012-08-04T03:34:31 < zyp> «first winner ever to have the same first and last names»
2012-08-04T03:34:37 < dongs> haha.
2012-08-04T03:35:14 < zyp> though, I suspect two different names, that both just read as Dong
2012-08-04T03:35:25 < zyp> or are they actually written with the same characters?
2012-08-04T03:35:40 < dongs> i dont know, they dont w rite cn version o the name here either
2012-08-04T03:35:46 < dongs> maybe oin some chink news site
2012-08-04T03:36:00 < zyp> wikipedia says 董栋
2012-08-04T03:36:03 < zyp> so not same
2012-08-04T03:36:49 < dongs> whatever the different accents mean in pinyin
2012-08-04T03:36:51 < zyp> «This is a Chinese name; the family name is Dong.» well, no shit
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2012-08-04T03:42:27 < dongs> http://micrium.com/page/products/tools/probe why does this cost $99
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2012-08-04T04:06:18 < Oldboy> $100 is a psychological barrier. you get much more sales at $99 than you would at $100.
2012-08-04T04:09:54  * Oldboy likes to be helpful
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2012-08-04T05:24:45 < dongs> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22350210&postcount=2994 loool.
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2012-08-04T07:30:31 < dongs> can someone open this link for me and tell me if it looks fucking stupid http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1973759599/open-source-smd-parts-feeders
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2012-08-04T07:38:28 < R2COM> "This is a Kickstarter project to encourage me to ..."
2012-08-04T07:41:53 < dongs> some fucker is packeting me, my downstream is dead, and i cant make any new connections
2012-08-04T07:42:00 < dongs> existing connections are ok and upload is ok
2012-08-04T07:42:04 < dongs> so i cant view that : (
2012-08-04T07:42:18 < dongs> and I dont have any QR code makign shit on my dsktop and im not manually typing that url into my phone
2012-08-04T07:42:59 < dongs> im gonna try googling it.
2012-08-04T07:43:10 < dongs> by Richard?
2012-08-04T07:43:23 < R2COM> looks like that
2012-08-04T07:44:21 < dongs> haha. $1500 to motivate me to write docs.
2012-08-04T07:44:22 < dongs> nice.
2012-08-04T07:45:24 < R2COM> well, writing docs is boring
2012-08-04T07:45:55 < R2COM> wouldn't you rather give 1.5k$ to some chick to write those docs, and bring you coffee and stuff
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2012-08-04T07:54:23 < bcsllc-steve> is she a hot chick ?
2012-08-04T07:55:14 < bcsllc-steve> arghh
2012-08-04T07:55:21 < bcsllc-steve> I have a string
2012-08-04T07:55:36 < bcsllc-steve> "1A2B3Cetc"
2012-08-04T07:55:56 < bcsllc-steve> I want 1A to become a char/byte
2012-08-04T07:56:20 < bcsllc-steve> which then could be 0x1A , 26 dec, etc
2012-08-04T07:56:39 < bcsllc-steve> im guessing I would need sprintf
2012-08-04T07:57:45 < bcsllc-steve> ahhh put "1" in a char
2012-08-04T07:57:52 < bcsllc-steve> atoi
2012-08-04T07:58:00 < bcsllc-steve> then put "A" in a char
2012-08-04T07:58:17 < bcsllc-steve> atoi
2012-08-04T07:58:35 < zippe1> What are you trying to do?
2012-08-04T07:58:51 < zippe1> Is the string a constant?
2012-08-04T07:58:55 < bcsllc-steve> no
2012-08-04T07:59:08 < zippe1> Is it on the stack?
2012-08-04T07:59:23 < bcsllc-steve> umm yes
2012-08-04T07:59:34 < bcsllc-steve> dont know
2012-08-04T07:59:36 < zippe1> When you say "I have a string", then quote a string constant, I had to ask
2012-08-04T07:59:45 < bcsllc-steve> oh sorry
2012-08-04T07:59:52 < zippe1> How is it declared?  Show us the code.
2012-08-04T08:00:03 < bcsllc-steve> its an array of chars
2012-08-04T08:00:18 < zippe1> char foo[] = "this is a string"; ?
2012-08-04T08:00:26 < bcsllc-steve> yes
2012-08-04T08:00:47 < zippe1> const char foo[] = "this is a string
2012-08-04T08:00:51 < zippe1> ?
2012-08-04T08:00:55 < bcsllc-steve> no
2012-08-04T08:01:03 < zippe1> Ok, do you mind having to fix it up all the time?
2012-08-04T08:01:24 < zippe1> if not, the  foo[0] = 0x1a;
2012-08-04T08:01:24 < bcsllc-steve> unsigned char[] = "1A2B3Cblah
2012-08-04T08:01:48 < bcsllc-steve> it a buffer of chars decoded from uart
2012-08-04T08:02:01 < bcsllc-steve> so I pass that pointer into a function
2012-08-04T08:02:03 < zippe1> Ok, so actually it's
2012-08-04T08:02:11 < zippe1> unsigned char foo[32];
2012-08-04T08:02:15 < zippe1> Yes?
2012-08-04T08:02:18 < bcsllc-steve> exactly
2012-08-04T08:02:31 < zippe1> Ok, and you want to make the first character 0x1a?
2012-08-04T08:02:35 < bcsllc-steve> yeap !
2012-08-04T08:02:46 < zippe1> foo[0] = 0x1a;
2012-08-04T08:02:54 < bcsllc-steve> well I need to those first two chars
2012-08-04T08:02:59 < bcsllc-steve> to be a in new var
2012-08-04T08:03:11 < zippe1> Explain more
2012-08-04T08:03:18 < zippe1> What are they? A 16-bit number?
2012-08-04T08:03:29 < bcsllc-steve> 8 bit
2012-08-04T08:03:49 < zippe1> Oh, first two characters are hex digits?
2012-08-04T08:04:00 < bcsllc-steve> 1A in the string - isnt it really 0x31, 0x41 ?
2012-08-04T08:04:12 < bcsllc-steve> but it needs to be converted to 0x1A
2012-08-04T08:04:20 < zippe1> Sorry, your description of what you want completely sucks
2012-08-04T08:04:27 < zippe1> So I'm doing a lot of guessing here
2012-08-04T08:04:27 < bcsllc-steve> im sorry
2012-08-04T08:04:31 < bcsllc-steve> yeah I know
2012-08-04T08:04:48 < bcsllc-steve> they chars in the string as ascii
2012-08-04T08:04:59 < zippe1> I think what you are trying to do is parse the first two characters of your string as hex digits and obtain the 8-bit number they represent
2012-08-04T08:05:12 < bcsllc-steve> exactly my friend
2012-08-04T08:05:20 < zippe1> How fast?
2012-08-04T08:05:38 < bcsllc-steve> im not sure what you mean
2012-08-04T08:05:44 < zippe1> How fast do you need this to be?
2012-08-04T08:05:47 < bcsllc-steve> nothing special
2012-08-04T08:06:04 < zippe1> char tmp[3] = {foo[0], foo[1], 0};
2012-08-04T08:06:05 < bcsllc-steve> its part a big string parsing / importing deal
2012-08-04T08:06:16 < zippe1> int value = strtol(tmp, 0, 16);
2012-08-04T08:06:24 < bcsllc-steve> strol !
2012-08-04T08:07:22 < zippe1> Note that if you are doing *lots* of parsing, there are other, arguably better, options
2012-08-04T08:07:22 < bcsllc-steve> that got my going
2012-08-04T08:07:40 < zippe1> You can play some seriously interesting games with sscanf
2012-08-04T08:08:14 < bcsllc-steve> jthanks
2012-08-04T08:08:15 < bcsllc-steve> thanks
2012-08-04T08:08:33 < bcsllc-steve> is it common to recv data as strings
2012-08-04T08:08:37 < zippe1> Very
2012-08-04T08:08:43 < bcsllc-steve> but its really to be used as hex
2012-08-04T08:09:01 < zippe1> There are lots of ways to encode data
2012-08-04T08:09:17 < zippe1> jpa-:  here has a very nice implementation of the Google protobuf library, for example
2012-08-04T08:09:20 < bcsllc-steve> for example, this is a string I get decoded from an FSK modem: N3000300000005000402000300EE
2012-08-04T08:09:32 < bcsllc-steve> throw the N3 away
2012-08-04T08:09:45 < bcsllc-steve> so now thats all really ascii right ?
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2012-08-04T08:10:00 < zippe1> It's all just bytes; it just boils down to how you want to interpret it
2012-08-04T08:11:03 < bcsllc-steve> well for example char foo[] = "1A" is really .... foo[0] = 0x31 , foo[1] = 0x41 right ?
2012-08-04T08:11:17 < zippe1> It's both
2012-08-04T08:11:21 < bcsllc-steve> so its really not 1A
2012-08-04T08:11:31 < zippe1> though, actually, you are forgetting that foo[2] = 0
2012-08-04T08:11:44 < bcsllc-steve> beside thes point
2012-08-04T08:11:57 < zippe1> Not at all
2012-08-04T08:12:02 < zippe1> It's critical, in fact
2012-08-04T08:12:07 < zippe1> That's what "" means
2012-08-04T08:12:11 < bcsllc-steve> ok i know that
2012-08-04T08:12:19 < bcsllc-steve> i know it and i know you know it
2012-08-04T08:12:35 < zippe1> So why are you arguing semiotics. 8)
2012-08-04T08:13:14 < zippe1> Or more to the point; can I help you with something, or should I get back to my own code?
2012-08-04T08:13:33 < bcsllc-steve> sorry to bother  you, thanks for your help sir
2012-08-04T08:13:42 < zippe1> No, seriously…
2012-08-04T08:13:45 < bcsllc-steve> you undid my coders block
2012-08-04T08:13:49 < bcsllc-steve> no i am
2012-08-04T08:13:54 < bcsllc-steve> you answered the question
2012-08-04T08:13:54 < zippe1> Ok, cool.  Enjoy!
2012-08-04T08:33:37 < bcsllc-steve> oh geez
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2012-08-04T09:00:02 < bcsllc-steve> thank zippe1
2012-08-04T09:00:06 < bcsllc-steve> thanks
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2012-08-04T10:35:39 < dongs> man wtf my network is still fucked
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2012-08-04T14:58:57 <+dekar> izua, when did you get ipv6? :)
2012-08-04T14:59:55 <+izua> uh, it's been in beta for a year and a half
2012-08-04T15:00:25 <+izua> this ipv6 day, it became available for all subscribers
2012-08-04T15:00:45 <+izua> they also say something about .ro being the country with the most ipv6 users, etc
2012-08-04T15:00:46 <+dekar> we don't have ipv6 here :/
2012-08-04T15:01:05 <+izua> we also get a /64 block
2012-08-04T15:01:11 <+dekar> nice
2012-08-04T15:01:16 <+izua> that's quite a few internets
2012-08-04T15:01:20 <+dekar> yeah
2012-08-04T15:01:26 < zyp> it's only one subnet
2012-08-04T15:01:41 < zyp> since /64s not are to be subdivided
2012-08-04T15:02:18 <+izua> ah
2012-08-04T15:02:19 < zyp> my isp have started testing ipv6 for opt-in customers
2012-08-04T15:02:35 < zyp> I tried opting in, but it's not rolled out to my area yet
2012-08-04T15:02:37 <+izua> i have no idea about the ipv6 features
2012-08-04T15:02:50 <+dekar> well I guess ipv6 is slower anyway, who'd actually want that? :P
2012-08-04T15:02:56 < zyp> slower?
2012-08-04T15:02:57 <+izua> yeah, it was opt-in too, beta wasn't probably the best wording :P
2012-08-04T15:03:05 <+dekar> more data to transfer
2012-08-04T15:03:08 <+dekar> thus slower
2012-08-04T15:03:12 < zyp> nah
2012-08-04T15:03:17 <+izua> true
2012-08-04T15:03:18 < zyp> not that really matters
2012-08-04T15:03:31 <+dekar> chrome benchmarks ipv6 vs v4 every time you load a page
2012-08-04T15:03:33 <+izua> but not that much i think
2012-08-04T15:03:44 < zyp> IIRC the ipv6 header is smaller than the ipv4 header, due to making some fields optional
2012-08-04T15:03:44 <+dekar> ipv6 gets a 150ms bonus so it wins most of the time
2012-08-04T15:04:06 <+izua> i don't think that matters in small stuff, like web pages, you should probably try downloading big stuff :P
2012-08-04T15:04:18 < zyp> doesn't matter in downloads either
2012-08-04T15:04:22 <+izua> that's where I see the overhead of ipv6 adding
2012-08-04T15:04:32 <+izua> i don't know, i might care.
2012-08-04T15:04:36 <+izua> i like my download speed
2012-08-04T15:05:11 <+izua> on the local track^W linux user group tracker, i get ~9.8-10.2MBps with 3-4 seeders
2012-08-04T15:05:27 < zyp> large transfers operate with large packets
2012-08-04T15:05:28 <+izua> which is close to the line limit methinks
2012-08-04T15:05:47 <+izua> only if the ISP has jumbo frames enabled. and they don't
2012-08-04T15:06:06 <+dekar> yeah it only matters for small stuff
2012-08-04T15:06:30 <+dekar> if you download a few hundred bytes then it hurts most
2012-08-04T15:07:08 <+dekar> izua, well common frame sizes are >1400, that's quite low overhead already
2012-08-04T15:07:24 <+dekar> the ipv6 header is probably <50 bytes
2012-08-04T15:07:42 <+izua> dunno, but it's big
2012-08-04T15:07:54 <+izua> 16 bytes, twice, that's 32 just for addressing
2012-08-04T15:07:59 <+dekar> yeah
2012-08-04T15:09:29 <+izua> i wonder if there's any embedded ipv6 lib
2012-08-04T15:09:52 <+dekar> btw, lua performance is pretty good on the stm32 imo
2012-08-04T15:10:00 < zyp> ipv6 header is 40 bytes
2012-08-04T15:10:00 <+dekar> even though I have it use double
2012-08-04T15:10:04 <+izua> or i could make the router reply to the whole /64 block
2012-08-04T15:10:21 <+izua> for the moment, i have to learn how to read ipv6 addresses :)
2012-08-04T15:10:50 <+dekar> the ipv6 compression stuff is weird
2012-08-04T15:10:58 < zyp> the addr format?
2012-08-04T15:11:00 <+dekar> leaving out the zeroes
2012-08-04T15:11:02 <+dekar> yeah
2012-08-04T15:11:04 < zyp> it's pretty easy
2012-08-04T15:11:10 <+dekar> I don't like it
2012-08-04T15:11:36 <+dekar> I know it's easy, I don't like variable length
2012-08-04T15:11:44 < zyp> think about it like this: first part of the addr identifies the network, last part identifies the host
2012-08-04T15:12:01 < zyp> depending on the network or host, those parts may have different lengths
2012-08-04T15:12:18 < zyp> so you start in either end, extending towards the middle
2012-08-04T15:12:19 <+dekar> I meant something else, you can have two colons in the address
2012-08-04T15:12:25 < zyp> yes
2012-08-04T15:12:42 < zyp> so you leave the middle sections as zeros, and then strip that part out
2012-08-04T15:12:55 < zyp> so the part before the double colon is the network part, the part after is the host part
2012-08-04T15:12:59 <+dekar> it doesn't have to be in the middle afaik
2012-08-04T15:13:17 < zyp> no, but in practice it usually is
2012-08-04T15:13:24 < zyp> because of the host/network seperation
2012-08-04T15:13:27 <+dekar> you can have like ::1
2012-08-04T15:13:36 <+dekar> ::1 is a valid ipv6 address
2012-08-04T15:13:43 < zyp> yes, it's localhost
2012-08-04T15:13:49 <+dekar> looks pretty ugly to me
2012-08-04T15:13:59 < zyp> it's equivalent to 0::1, which reads as «network 0, host 1»
2012-08-04T15:14:13 <+dekar> which is equivalent to 00:00::1
2012-08-04T15:14:24 < zyp> and to me it looks much more sensible than 127.0.0.1
2012-08-04T15:14:37 < zyp> which is network 127, host 1, or something like that
2012-08-04T15:15:47 < zyp> one reason for the huge address space is that you can reserve the first 64 bits to identify network, and have the last 64 always identify the host on the network
2012-08-04T15:16:33 <+dekar> anyway concerning lua, I wrote some script toggling a pin 1000 times and running it on my PC doing the toggle via USB takes like 2 seconds, running it on the stm32 is a fraction of a second
2012-08-04T15:16:56 <+dekar> so I can recommend it for scripting, works well and is incredibly easy to port
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2012-08-04T15:18:56 <+dekar> zyp, I actually have used ipv6 before, my server has a bunch of those things
2012-08-04T15:19:21 <+dekar> and overall I am fine with it, I just don't like the "compression"
2012-08-04T15:19:42 <+dekar> oh and the net split it comes with
2012-08-04T15:22:35 <+dekar> http://pastebin.com/JEdfbwkd
2012-08-04T15:23:08 <+dekar> dlmalloc is pretty cool, you can get all those fancy stats from it
2012-08-04T15:24:07 <+dekar> that was transferring a 2kb lua application via usb and compiling plus executing it on the stm32
2012-08-04T15:25:08 <+Steffanx> 17.9521484375 kB .. lol?
2012-08-04T15:25:24 < zyp> :D
2012-08-04T15:26:06 <+dekar> Steffanx, as you might know lua usually uses float/double
2012-08-04T15:26:34 <+Steffanx> it's still ugly
2012-08-04T15:26:43 < zyp> so you have 0.1484375 bytes
2012-08-04T15:27:08 <+dekar> zyp, and I intend on keeping them
2012-08-04T15:27:14 <+dekar> :)
2012-08-04T15:27:47 <+Steffanx> Yeah, you can't throw away memory
2012-08-04T15:27:52 <+Steffanx> corruption etc.
2012-08-04T15:28:04 <+dekar> that's 1.1875 bits
2012-08-04T15:28:12 <+dekar> not too shabby
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2012-08-04T16:21:22 <+Steffanx> ipv and still a crappy connection izua_ ? :P
2012-08-04T16:21:26 <+Steffanx> *ipv6
2012-08-04T16:21:34 <+izua_> pretty much
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2012-08-04T21:49:15 < R2COM> so it looks like sam4s is a competitor for stm32f4...
2012-08-04T21:56:13 < cjbaird> They have an 'Xplaned' board with 8MB SRAM, too. Much like the AVR32-xplained board I bought recently. Hmm.
2012-08-04T21:57:07 < cjbaird> 8Mbit, rather. 1MB.
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2012-08-04T22:19:23 < cjbaird> dongs goes on. dongs goes off. dongs goes on. dongs goes off.
2012-08-04T22:23:20 < cjbaird> dongs goes on.
2012-08-04T22:25:15 < zippe1> R2COM: except that sam4s is kinda slow and boring
2012-08-04T22:25:38 < zippe1> R2COM: If you want a serious competitor to STM32F4 you are looking at LPC43xx
2012-08-04T22:26:10 < zippe1> R2COM: or maybe some of the Kinetis parts, though they are also slow.
2012-08-04T22:28:07 < zippe1> R2COM: sam4s also vaporware last time I looked
2012-08-04T22:29:01 < zippe1> The SAM4SA and SAM4SD parts will be more interesting when they finally arrive
2012-08-04T23:14:19 < R2COM> hmm
2012-08-04T23:14:41 < R2COM> lpc?
2012-08-04T23:14:49 <+Steffanx> nxp
2012-08-04T23:14:49 < R2COM> its NXP right
2012-08-04T23:14:51 < R2COM> ?\
2012-08-04T23:14:52 < R2COM> ok
2012-08-04T23:15:02 < R2COM> but i looked at their website, i didnt find tool support?
2012-08-04T23:15:18 < R2COM> one supposed to use Keil/MDK/Iar whatever? or what?
2012-08-04T23:16:09 < R2COM> and well yes, sam4s is 120MHz, and stm32f4 is 168MHz. well..
2012-08-04T23:17:10 < R2COM> but if sam4s has less bugs in it, and free good development support, then its not that bad, if you can make your stuff work
2012-08-04T23:17:43 < R2COM> I'm now playing with stm32f4 anyhow, will see maybe i do some test board for sam4s and play, see how that one is
2012-08-04T23:22:37 < zippe1> You can use anything that supports the M3
2012-08-04T23:22:40 < zippe1> Code Red, for example
2012-08-04T23:22:55 < zippe1> R2COM: Do you have a source for sam4s parts?
2012-08-04T23:23:20 < R2COM> what you mean source?
2012-08-04T23:23:25 < R2COM> no they are not available yet
2012-08-04T23:23:47 < R2COM> also, take in account that Atmel Studio 6 is free
2012-08-04T23:24:00 < R2COM> but
2012-08-04T23:24:02 < zippe1> Yet another dodgy wrapper around gcc
2012-08-04T23:24:29 < R2COM> sam3s, and sam4s are pin compatible, so its possible to do some board even for lower grade, and just see how it is, and later on put sam4s
2012-08-04T23:26:50 < cjbaird> At least it's a somewhat recent GCC... Microchip throw you a GCC-3.x compiler in their graciousness.
2012-08-04T23:29:20 < zippe1> cjbaird: uh, no
2012-08-04T23:29:21 < zippe1> gcc version 4.5.1 MPLAB XC32 v1.00 (Microchip Technology)
2012-08-04T23:29:44 < zippe1> I won't pretend 4.5.1 is cutting-edge anything, but at least check your rumours
2012-08-04T23:30:05 < zippe1> Many folks playing with pic32 are using the pinguino bits
2012-08-04T23:30:08 <+Steffanx> Cutting-edge never means better I case of GCC :P
2012-08-04T23:30:15 <+Steffanx> *in
2012-08-04T23:31:33 < cjbaird> It was ~3 months ago I was looking at the PIC32 stuff, and I thought that was GCC-3 being thrown at people (with the licence daemon crap & etc.)  GCC-4.x, being GPL3, denies them that.
2012-08-04T23:36:33 < zippe1> The Mplab-X betas have always been 4.x, and they've been running for over a year now
2012-08-04T23:36:59 < zippe1> I don't know what you were looking at, but it had nothing to do with anything current.  There is no license manager, it's all free.
2012-08-04T23:37:58 < R2COM> and the code red by the way, you mentioned costs 500$
2012-08-04T23:38:13 < R2COM> which is ok if one wants to go with that stuff for some time
2012-08-04T23:38:16 < zippe1> Yes.  You wanted a canned set of dev tools, someone has to pay for it
2012-08-04T23:38:29 < R2COM> as i said, atmel studio 6 is free
2012-08-04T23:38:31 < zippe1> You can build for lpc43xx with any of the open-source toolchains
2012-08-04T23:38:46 < zippe1> R2COM: you pay for AS6 with every chip you buy from Atmel
2012-08-04T23:39:01 < R2COM> i know i can, right now for example I'm using: Eclipse + Gnu ARm compiler + Atollic GDB server, on win7
2012-08-04T23:39:16 < zippe1> Ok, so I don't understand what you're complaining about
2012-08-04T23:39:34 < zippe1> Tools for lpc43xx ~= tools for STM32F4
2012-08-04T23:39:36 < R2COM> I'm not, I'm just trying to see what is there in a same class as f4
2012-08-04T23:39:57 < zippe1> And I'm telling you that Kinetis and lpc43xx are about it
2012-08-04T23:40:06 < zippe1> They both actually exist
2012-08-04T23:40:14 < zippe1> The lm4s exists, but they're even slower
2012-08-04T23:40:37 < zippe1> If you like the LMI parts (I do, mostly) then they're worth a look
2012-08-04T23:41:18 < zippe1> But I wouldn't put much stock in sam4s until you can actually buy one; my bunions say late 2q13 at the earliest.
2012-08-04T23:41:49 < R2COM> hm, so they not going to be out quite soon?
2012-08-04T23:42:07 < R2COM> well..
2012-08-04T23:42:37 < zippe1> I don't know.  Sign an NDA with Atmel and they might share their schedule with you
2012-08-04T23:42:59 < zippe1> Their track record is all I have to go on
2012-08-04T23:44:16 < zippe1> Looking at the sam4s page-o-rectangles, I find it seriously short on peripherals
2012-08-04T23:44:31 < R2COM> also they have those ARM9 now, with 400MHz, but thats not in f4 class range i guess, also that one doesnt have FPU
2012-08-04T23:45:07 < zippe1> Only 4 UARTs, only 1 SPI, only 5 timers, no DMA
2012-08-04T23:45:33 < zippe1> Hmm, I take that back
2012-08-04T23:45:38 < zippe1> They have distributed peripheral DMA
2012-08-04T23:52:39 < R2COM> and for hardware, SAM-ICE, 100$ can do most of those SAMs.  i see they have more expencive ones, but this one works
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2012-08-04T23:54:43 < cjbaird> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/MPLABC32_v2_00_README.html#FeatureLimited .. Needless to say, all their libraries and support code come with a licence forbidding use with anything else but their own binary-blob gcc.
2012-08-04T23:55:17 < zippe1> cjbaird: I think you are still confused.  You are looking at the documentation for the wrong toolchain.
2012-08-04T23:55:22 < zippe1> You want mplab-x
2012-08-04T23:57:22 < cjbaird> No, that's the toolchain I was investigating a few months ago. I didn't discover about the one you've mentioned.
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2012-08-04T23:59:00 < zippe1> http://www.microchip.com/forums/m630935-p2.aspx
2012-08-04T23:59:10 < zippe1> Looks like The Internet is well ahead of you
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2012-08-05T00:02:28 < cjbaird> lol Olimex (the unnamed company): http://geoffg.net/OpenSource.html
2012-08-05T00:03:58 < cjbaird> Even funnier is the example below Microchip's: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-ridiculous-eula-clauses-agreed/
2012-08-05T00:04:11 < zippe1> Someone is a bit confused about what free software is all about.  Oh well.
2012-08-05T00:05:53 < cjbaird> A bit. He's involved with my long-time arch nemesis Dontronics..
2012-08-05T00:06:24 < zippe1> Don'tronics?
2012-08-05T00:07:18 < zippe1> Amusingly, they are also resellers of the Unnamed Company's products
2012-08-05T00:07:19 < cjbaird> An Australian electronics garage business. Also the country's first 'Green Card Lawyer'-style Internet spammer.
2012-08-05T00:08:52 < cjbaird> He still hasn't paid up for the $14 in extra long-distance phone charges that his spam cost me... :P
2012-08-05T00:09:04 < qyx_> "As far as I can see it does not even require that the original author be acknowledged"
2012-08-05T00:09:07 < qyx_> what?
2012-08-05T00:10:12 < cjbaird> The BSD licences have that clause about acknowledgement.. not that anyone ever fulfills it.
2012-08-05T00:10:40 < zippe1> cjbaird: you'd be surprised.  My Mini came with a book full of nothing but opensource license text and attributions
2012-08-05T00:11:09 < zippe1> Borrow someone's iPhone and look in the About section, there's an enormous scrolling list of the same
2012-08-05T00:11:10 < cjbaird> Apple being a exception :)
2012-08-05T00:11:34 < zippe1> I wish Apple built the Mini.
2012-08-05T00:11:53 < zippe1> Getting into it would be hard, but it wouldn't squeak or rattle...
2012-08-05T00:12:52 < cjbaird> A friend's old Mini CooperS reminds me more of the grotty CP/M systems..
2012-08-05T00:14:58 < zippe1> I am having S-100 flashbacks
2012-08-05T00:15:02 < zippe1> Thankyou. I think
2012-08-05T00:16:33 < cjbaird> Dentist Office machines! .. I don't doubt that the practices back home are still running. Kickass UPS systems on them to die for, though. :)
2012-08-05T00:44:28  * Laurenceb_ is lolling
2012-08-05T00:44:37 < Laurenceb_> rpi have a mag called magpi
2012-08-05T00:44:54 < Laurenceb_> but its not the first magazine of that name... as a search of wikipedia shows
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2012-08-05T04:32:15 < R2COM> dongs so hows that Japan doin
2012-08-05T04:33:28 < dongs> squinty
2012-08-05T04:34:02 < R2COM> so did you already pick up some Japanese good looking girl?
2012-08-05T04:34:21 < cjbaird> What's up with the connection fagging out all morning?
2012-08-05T04:34:52 < dongs> mine?
2012-08-05T04:35:04 < dongs> some chinese friends were packeting me
2012-08-05T04:52:12 < dongs> japan: http://i.imgur.com/F0uau.gif
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2012-08-05T08:22:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1Kdhm.jpg
2012-08-05T08:28:07 < zippe1> Nice.
2012-08-05T08:28:23 < zippe1> Makes living in the city kinda depressing.
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2012-08-05T08:52:58 < bcsllc-steve> dongs, PPG ? Skydive ?
2012-08-05T08:53:08 < bcsllc-steve> PagaGiider
2012-08-05T08:53:25 < bcsllc-steve> or helicopter
2012-08-05T08:53:33 < bcsllc-steve> no thats ultalight
2012-08-05T08:54:17 < dongs> nah, rc toy.
2012-08-05T08:54:37 < bcsllc-steve> oh cool
2012-08-05T08:54:54 < bcsllc-steve> that looks really high for RC
2012-08-05T08:55:04 < bcsllc-steve> thats about 600 feet AGL
2012-08-05T08:55:19 < dongs> only 500. i think that was around 160meters.
2012-08-05T08:55:30 < dongs> i do have telemetry downlink so I can tell how high.
2012-08-05T08:55:32 < bcsllc-steve> could you even see it from the ground
2012-08-05T08:55:40 < dongs> a bit
2012-08-05T08:55:52 < bcsllc-steve> Rotorcraft ?
2012-08-05T08:55:56 < dongs> yeah.
2012-08-05T08:56:01 < bcsllc-steve> nicwe
2012-08-05T08:56:07 < bcsllc-steve> already put togehter ?
2012-08-05T08:56:14 < bcsllc-steve> or a kit ?
2012-08-05T08:56:28 < dongs> one of my dongcopters. its mostly shit pieced together from crap.
2012-08-05T08:56:36 < bcsllc-steve> got pics ?
2012-08-05T08:56:48 < bcsllc-steve> shit pieced together with crap
2012-08-05T08:56:50 < bcsllc-steve> nice
2012-08-05T08:57:08 < bcsllc-steve> i always thought shit was same as crap
2012-08-05T08:57:09 < bcsllc-steve> lol
2012-08-05T08:57:53 < dongs> more exciting when you combine the two
2012-08-05T08:58:05 < bcsllc-steve> got pics ?
2012-08-05T08:58:07 < bcsllc-steve> of the unit
2012-08-05T08:58:25 < dongs> seriously its just 4 motors on a wood frame
2012-08-05T08:58:44 < bcsllc-steve> got pics ?
2012-08-05T08:58:58 < dongs> nop
2012-08-05T08:59:15 < bcsllc-steve> go take some
2012-08-05T08:59:25 < bcsllc-steve> nop
2012-08-05T08:59:28 < dongs> too lazy to take too. doing some other shit
2012-08-05T08:59:28 < bcsllc-steve> no operation
2012-08-05T08:59:55  * bcsllc-steve notices that shit is #1 on dongs vocabulary list
2012-08-05T09:00:18 < bcsllc-steve> you wrote the firmware ?
2012-08-05T09:01:55 < dongs> yes.
2012-08-05T09:02:20 < bcsllc-steve> STM ?
2012-08-05T09:02:29 < dongs> right.
2012-08-05T09:03:17 < bcsllc-steve> have documentation of the project  ?
2012-08-05T09:03:18 < bcsllc-steve> circuit
2012-08-05T09:03:19 < bcsllc-steve> code
2012-08-05T09:03:46 < dongs> yes, lurk moar and you might be enlightened
2012-08-05T09:04:08 < bcsllc-steve> what does that mean ?
2012-08-05T09:04:47 < bcsllc-steve> moar ?
2012-08-05T09:05:09 < bcsllc-steve> no, dongs is cool
2012-08-05T09:05:23 < bcsllc-steve> as long as he isnt Zhivago
2012-08-05T09:07:28 < bcsllc-steve> come one homie, feed me some of the dope ass medicaine you got
2012-08-05T09:07:34 < bcsllc-steve> dongs,
2012-08-05T09:09:00 < bcsllc-steve> ding dong, dongs at the door, bow down to him on the floor and will code some more
2012-08-05T09:09:10 < bcsllc-steve> lol
2012-08-05T09:09:17  * bcsllc-steve puts the drugs away
2012-08-05T09:10:56 <+izua_> dongs: dongcopter?
2012-08-05T09:11:06 <+izua_> like the one that attacked kasparov?
2012-08-05T09:11:30 < dongs> yes
2012-08-05T09:11:32 < dongs> exactly
2012-08-05T09:11:41 < dongs> that was actually my work.
2012-08-05T09:12:05 < bcsllc-steve> lol
2012-08-05T09:15:44 < bcsllc-steve> come one dude
2012-08-05T09:15:49 < bcsllc-steve> show us your struff
2012-08-05T09:16:02 < bcsllc-steve> flaunt it
2012-08-05T09:25:33 <+izua_> shove it in steve's face
2012-08-05T09:25:41 <+izua_> let him see it up closely
2012-08-05T09:26:29 < bcsllc-steve> yeah let me see your dong
2012-08-05T09:26:45 < bcsllc-steve> i mean your dongcopter
2012-08-05T09:27:07 < bcsllc-steve> izua_, who is steve ?
2012-08-05T09:27:13 < bcsllc-steve> my name is Charles
2012-08-05T09:27:36 < dongs>  < PlastyGrove> rfrp: http://pastebin.com/LdvnpR38 < PlastyGrove> I haven't tested it, but it gives an idea of what I have in mind
2012-08-05T09:27:37 < bcsllc-steve> that wasnt funny
2012-08-05T09:27:40 < dongs> loooll.
2012-08-05T09:30:17 <+izua_> bcsllc-steve: you?
2012-08-05T09:30:25 < bcsllc-steve> huh ?
2012-08-05T09:30:41 <+izua_> nevermind :P
2012-08-05T09:30:51 < bcsllc-steve> yeha me
2012-08-05T09:30:55 < bcsllc-steve> that wasnt funny
2012-08-05T09:31:05 <+izua_> well, you said he should flaunt it :P
2012-08-05T09:31:10 < bcsllc-steve> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/news/msl20120803.html
2012-08-05T09:32:21 < zippe1> Man, I really need to remove the remap at zero
2012-08-05T09:32:44 < bcsllc-steve> is there video of its flight ?
2012-08-05T10:18:36 < dongs> man this chiense ublox GPS is garabge
2012-08-05T10:18:46 < dongs> my mtk shit has been getting a lock wiht liek 5 sats sitting on my window
2012-08-05T10:18:52 < dongs> this shit had liek 12 sats and never got any lock
2012-08-05T10:21:44 <+izua_> it needs to view the ones in the southern hemisphere too
2012-08-05T10:22:26 <+izua_> what if you're in australia and facing your gps down, seeing the northern sky through the earth core, and hiding the southern one?
2012-08-05T10:23:34 < dongs> you missed the part where the cheap trash gps gets a lock
2012-08-05T10:24:12 <+izua_> it will get one
2012-08-05T10:24:19 <+izua_> just wait for all 24 sattelites to become visible
2012-08-05T10:24:52 < bcsllc-steve> what is gps ?
2012-08-05T10:25:04  * bcsllc-steve googles
2012-08-05T10:25:09 < bcsllc-steve> im just kidding
2012-08-05T10:26:07 < dongs> gay positioning system. homo locator.
2012-08-05T10:27:01 < bcsllc-steve> thats the kind you use ?
2012-08-05T10:27:22 < bcsllc-steve> im sorry im joking
2012-08-05T10:27:32 < bcsllc-steve> im in a playful kiddish mood tongith
2012-08-05T10:30:55 < jpa-> dongs: did you wait 15 minutes for it to download the ephemeris etc?
2012-08-05T10:31:23 < jpa-> first start of gps always takes ages :)
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2012-08-05T10:33:28 < bcsllc-steve> why is a function prototype called a prototype ?
2012-08-05T10:33:43 < bcsllc-steve> in C ofc
2012-08-05T10:34:41 < jpa-> "prototype: An original object or form which is a basis for other objects, forms, or for its models and generalizations"   makes sense to me
2012-08-05T10:35:07 < jpa-> you have prototypes in stdio.h, for example, and don't care what specific implementation is behind it
2012-08-05T10:35:55 < bcsllc-steve> hmm ok
2012-08-05T10:36:00 < bcsllc-steve> thanks
2012-08-05T10:38:43 < bcsllc-steve> i always understood prototype as a "beta" version
2012-08-05T10:38:49 < bcsllc-steve> or a physical product
2012-08-05T10:39:13 < bcsllc-steve> "This is just a prototype, the final version will have feature xyz"
2012-08-05T10:39:44 < bcsllc-steve> actually that describes your quote
2012-08-05T10:39:58 < dongs> jpa, its been on my desk for like an hour
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2012-08-05T11:16:36 < bcsllc-steve> does freee work with pointer to a char array ?
2012-08-05T11:16:47 < bcsllc-steve> or do I have to create the ptr with malloc
2012-08-05T11:16:54 < bcsllc-steve> free()
2012-08-05T11:17:18 < bcsllc-steve> another words, if I create the ptr by doing: unsigned char[50];
2012-08-05T11:17:45 < bcsllc-steve> oops I mean unsigned char buffer[50];
2012-08-05T11:17:55 < bcsllc-steve> unsigned char * ptr = &buffer[0];
2012-08-05T11:17:59 < bcsllc-steve> free(ptr)
2012-08-05T11:30:58 < dongs> freeing statically allocated things usually leads to bad things.
2012-08-05T11:31:35 < bcsllc-steve> ok
2012-08-05T11:31:44 < bcsllc-steve> then calloc is my new friend
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2012-08-05T12:33:49 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-05T12:34:28 < dongs> these fencing helmets look prettycool
2012-08-05T12:36:21 < dongs> http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1344145797616.jpg
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2012-08-05T12:38:04 <+Steffanx> The domain says enough
2012-08-05T12:39:00 <+Steffanx> dongs merged with laurenceb?
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2012-08-05T12:43:16 <+izua_> dongs: ... fencing helmets?
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2012-08-05T13:07:13 <+Steffanx> i think dongs means an improved tin foil hat, izua__ :)
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2012-08-05T13:08:39 <+Steffanx> Hmpf
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2012-08-05T13:42:28 < dongs> izua: the foil helmets in lolympics
2012-08-05T13:44:47 < Laurenceb_> dongs: something you would like
2012-08-05T13:44:47 <+Steffanx> lolympics ? then i'm sure you are in London dongs
2012-08-05T13:45:01 < Laurenceb_> rpi have a mag called magpi
2012-08-05T13:45:10 <+Steffanx> ok
2012-08-05T13:45:36 < Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange#Early_history_and_activity
2012-08-05T13:45:52 < Laurenceb_> In 1977 PIE produced another regular publication called Childhood Rights. When the editor ('David') retired, this content was assimilated into Magpie
2012-08-05T13:46:01 <+Steffanx> uh?
2012-08-05T13:46:11 < Laurenceb_> pity it has an e on the end
2012-08-05T13:46:12 <+Steffanx> Blablabla
2012-08-05T13:46:16 <+Steffanx> :P
2012-08-05T13:50:31 <+Steffanx> I'm sure we can find something bad about someone with a similar name as you, Laurenceb_
2012-08-05T14:30:21 <+izua> pie is bad?
2012-08-05T14:30:45 <+izua> they should stop taking good nouns and making backronyms out of them
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2012-08-05T14:31:48 <+izua_> they should stop taking good nouns and making backronyms out of them
2012-08-05T14:31:54 <+izua_> for example, "child raping and paedophiles" would be a better description
2012-08-05T14:32:35 <+izua_> "can't ream adult p*ssy"
2012-08-05T14:32:40 <+izua_> description is everything
2012-08-05T14:32:45 <+izua_> why spoil pie? :(
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2012-08-05T15:06:23 <+Steffanx> izua_, a wise man has spoken :)
2012-08-05T15:40:32 < dongs> <+Steffanx> I'm sure we can find something bad about someone with a similar name as you, Laurenceb_
2012-08-05T15:40:35 < dongs> you dont need to
2012-08-05T15:40:51 < dongs> i mean  you dont need to look. its right in your face
2012-08-05T16:23:07 < dongs> http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chinas-dong-soars-mens-trampoline-151222881--oly.html
2012-08-05T16:31:40 <+Steffanx> :D
2012-08-05T16:32:13 <+Steffanx> see dongs IS in Loldon
2012-08-05T16:37:00 < Oldboy> flying dongs ?
2012-08-05T16:40:21 < dongs> Competition must not have been very stiff this year.
2012-08-05T16:48:23 <+Steffanx> I GUESS
2012-08-05T16:53:45 < Laurenceb_> http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/canadian-maclennan-wins-womens-trampoline-photo-151426733--oly.html;_ylt=AqGDkW3jZG_LUC91qQTazsVhNe1_;_ylu=X3oDMTRjcGJlN3NiBG1pdANBUlRJQ0xFIFJlbGF0ZWQgQ29udGVudDIEcGtnAzE3NWZhOTYzLWFmYWUtM2IxOC04NTdhLTY0NzYzM2VmMGY4ZARwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFBcnRpY2xlUmVsYXRlZAR2ZXIDYTRlOTkwMDAtZGU0Ny0xMWUxLWJjZmQtZjVhZDA5MjkxN2Mx;_ylg=X3oDMTNna2QxbDlsBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDOTUwZmEzMDUtMjhiYi0zN
2012-08-05T16:53:45 < Laurenceb_> 2U4LWI0NDAtOGFjZmNhZjMxNWI0BHBzdGNhdANtb3JlfGxvbmRvbjIwMTJzdW1tZXJvbHltcGljcwRwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2U-;_ylv=3
2012-08-05T16:54:48 < dongs> nice fucking link bro
2012-08-05T16:54:54 < dongs> its so fucked icant evne click it
2012-08-05T16:55:27 <+Steffanx> same here
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2012-08-05T22:44:14 < pileopython> not
2012-08-05T22:44:47 < pileopython> and you only need the part up to the html
2012-08-05T22:45:41 < pileopython> and if I remeber correctly the freenode people said that stuff belongs in #olympics
2012-08-05T22:46:03  * pileopython is a crochety old man.
2012-08-05T22:47:04 < pileopython> er rather  ##olympics
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2012-08-05T23:25:07 <+izua_> ##olympics
2012-08-05T23:25:14 <+izua_> like the queen is coming on freenode and say
2012-08-05T23:25:24 <+izua_> herp derp i claim the official olympic channel on freenode
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2012-08-06T01:09:33 <+Steffanx> The queen isn't allowed to claim it izua__
2012-08-06T01:10:01 <+Steffanx> The horrible IOC is
2012-08-06T01:10:58 <+Steffanx> MAGIC
2012-08-06T01:11:20 <+Steffanx> The ghost of avrphreaq
2012-08-06T01:12:23 <+Steffanx> You better hide flyback
2012-08-06T01:16:41 < izua__> avrphreaque died? o_O
2012-08-06T01:16:55 < izua__> he wasn't around for an awfully long time, and i haven't heard anything good either
2012-08-06T01:17:10 <+Steffanx> I hope it was a joke, but I don't know :P
2012-08-06T01:17:25 <+Steffanx> Dongs said he joins some channel on efnet once in a while
2012-08-06T01:17:56 <+Steffanx> Not sure if dongs is a good source for information like that
2012-08-06T01:18:20 < izua__> good point
2012-08-06T01:24:19 < izua__> well, last that i know of, he was building some railway model lights
2012-08-06T01:24:34 <+Steffanx> Tha'ts 5 years ago?
2012-08-06T01:24:41 < izua__> 4... 5.. i think so
2012-08-06T01:25:12 < izua__> i was designing my ethernet board
2012-08-06T01:25:37 < izua__> and he was like "look! model trains!" XD
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2012-08-06T01:30:56 <+Steffanx> The good old times izua_ :P
2012-08-06T01:31:11 <+izua_> lol
2012-08-06T01:31:19 <+izua_> back when the internet had no trolls
2012-08-06T01:31:21 <+izua_> and /b/ was good
2012-08-06T01:31:38 <+Steffanx> No trolls .. sure you are that old?
2012-08-06T01:32:16 <+izua_> well, you started with the goold old times
2012-08-06T01:32:32 <+izua_> good*
2012-08-06T01:32:56 <+Steffanx> I did
2012-08-06T01:33:17 <+Steffanx> Time to see if i can get to dreamland today
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2012-08-06T01:33:34 <+izua_> i wish you lucid dreams
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2012-08-06T01:39:11 <+dekar_> those are overrated
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2012-08-06T01:44:18 < zippe1> greatly… I had one this morning involving being swept away in a tsunami
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2012-08-06T01:52:59 < izua__> they're epic
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2012-08-06T03:49:32 < dongs> blog dream
2012-08-06T03:49:44 < dongs> lucid dream of getting blogged alive
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2012-08-06T10:00:09 < GargantuaSauce> it's NI
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2012-08-06T16:09:03 < Laurenceb> http://www.joshingtalk.com/aboutme
2012-08-06T16:09:07 < Laurenceb> not sure if troll
2012-08-06T16:14:22 <+Steffanx> Looks serious to me
2012-08-06T16:15:09 <+Steffanx> Haha @ challenga
2012-08-06T16:15:10 <+Steffanx> http://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/blog/challenge-for-a-young-entrepreneur :D :D
2012-08-06T16:15:19 <+Steffanx> *e
2012-08-06T16:17:21 <+Steffanx> That guy Sir Richard Branson is really into social media and stuff, so it's real.
2012-08-06T16:17:32 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb, challenge him too :D
2012-08-06T16:17:56 < Laurenceb> i challenge him...
2012-08-06T16:17:59 < Laurenceb> ... to get laid
2012-08-06T16:18:16 <+Steffanx> You are boring
2012-08-06T16:23:43 < dongs> well he could certainly beat you
2012-08-06T16:23:45 < dongs> at that challenge
2012-08-06T16:23:59 < dongs> because chances of YOU getting laid are negative infinity.
2012-08-06T16:24:13 < zyp> :)
2012-08-06T16:24:36 <+Steffanx> And dongs is back!
2012-08-06T16:25:18 < Thorn> what negative infinity. probabilities are [0...1]
2012-08-06T16:25:20 < dongs> ya sorry, was putting everyone to bed.
2012-08-06T16:26:00 <+Steffanx> Trollolol :)
2012-08-06T16:26:09 <+Steffanx> No way you have a wife and/or children :P
2012-08-06T16:26:44 < zyp> he had some kids running around in some of his quadrotor vids IIRC
2012-08-06T16:27:16 <+Steffanx> Everyone can do that
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2012-08-06T16:44:32 < Oldboy> you can hire kids by the hour ?
2012-08-06T16:48:38 < dongs> lols
2012-08-06T16:51:31 <+Steffanx> In certain countries, but that's not what i meant Oldboy
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2012-08-06T17:05:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/RN13w.jpg commence fap
2012-08-06T17:06:24 < zyp> what's that supposed to be?
2012-08-06T17:06:45 < dongs> a heavy dong frame
2012-08-06T17:07:17 <+Steffanx> I also want access to the machines you have access too dongs
2012-08-06T17:07:40 <+Steffanx> *some of them
2012-08-06T17:07:42 < zyp> Steffanx, I suspect he bought rather than made those arms
2012-08-06T17:08:19 <+Steffanx> but still..  i also saw fancy x-ray pictures he made etc.
2012-08-06T17:08:42 < dongs> zyp, i would nev er spend $ on that stuff. it was given to me
2012-08-06T17:08:51 <+Steffanx> lol
2012-08-06T17:09:34 < zyp> my point was you didn't make them :p
2012-08-06T17:09:46 < dongs> of course.
2012-08-06T17:15:13 <+Steffanx> And he disappoints me again
2012-08-06T17:16:33 < dongs> Steffanx: its ok, I have access to water cutter  that can slice that aluminum in a second
2012-08-06T17:17:02 < dongs> but i'd rather not bother when I can get shit for free.
2012-08-06T17:24:46 <+izua> isn't airborne stuff supposed to be light?
2012-08-06T17:24:54 <+izua> "dongs: that's why i'm not using a lead frame"
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2012-08-06T18:20:19 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/ftvwW.jpg
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2012-08-06T18:55:12 <+Steffanx> So .. what's special about it Laurenceb ?
2012-08-06T18:55:30 <+Steffanx> Something is not funny when one has to explain a joke :P
2012-08-06T19:14:30 < jpa-> i think it is quite funny to have aol hardware on a mars rover :)
2012-08-06T19:14:54 <+Steffanx> Yeah, sure
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2012-08-06T19:16:50 <+Steffanx> but our pett likes everything, isn't it?
2012-08-06T19:17:51 <+Steffanx> And show me the unphotoshop version first Laurenceb :P
2012-08-06T19:18:03 <+Steffanx> *non-photoshopped
2012-08-06T19:18:33 < Thorn> photoshop an apple logo instead
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2012-08-06T19:19:31 <+Steffanx> What about Arduino?
2012-08-06T19:19:50 < Thorn> ...
2012-08-06T19:19:50 <+Steffanx> "Arduino inside"
2012-08-06T19:20:03 < Thorn> that'd be just cruel
2012-08-06T19:20:17 < Thorn> esp. considering it did land
2012-08-06T19:20:38 <+Steffanx> Just as silly as your "photoshop an apple logo"-idea :P
2012-08-06T19:23:42 < Thorn> ...
2012-08-06T19:27:55 < Laurenceb> http://www.uahirise.org/images/2012/details/cut/ESP_028256_9022-2.jpg
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2012-08-06T20:11:18 <+Steffanx> All fake Laurenceb
2012-08-06T20:11:23 <+Steffanx> Same studio as the moon landing
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2012-08-06T20:35:09 < carp3> Hi, is there any reference design for minimal stm32 board?
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2012-08-06T20:45:34 <+dekar_> what's minimal? I think you only have to power it up and set the BOOT0 and BOOT1 pins
2012-08-06T20:47:27 < carp3> Debugger ...  recommended supply circuit. ... etc...
2012-08-06T20:47:59 < carp3> i found it. never mind. http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/APPLICATION_NOTE/CD00164185.pdf
2012-08-06T20:48:52 < pileopython> carp3: https://github.com/soycamo/maplebacon is pretty good for usb
2012-08-06T20:49:35 < pileopython> you could get rid of the seperate analog supply
2012-08-06T20:50:29 < pileopython> or if you went with no usb you can get rid uf the 3 parts which are usb
2012-08-06T20:52:27 < carp3> STF202 is necessary? pileopython
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2012-08-06T21:03:05 < zyp> carp3, minimal depends on which chip you choose
2012-08-06T21:04:10 < carp3> STM32F103CBT6   with ADC + USB    ,zyp
2012-08-06T21:05:23 < zyp> decoupling caps, external crystal, maybe seperate avcc rail if you care a lot about adc performance
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2012-08-06T21:06:21 < zyp> internal RC oscillator is not stable enough for USB, so external crystal is required
2012-08-06T21:06:32 < carp3> as i want to use it in a car.   i'm worried about noises.  that's why i'm looking for a reference design
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2012-08-06T21:19:00 < pileopython> carp3 its actually a lot simpler than the minimal 22-33 ohm resistors for usb and if you compare the circuit above to the maple mini you will get the idea
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2012-08-06T21:24:28 < zyp> wouldn't say a lot simpler
2012-08-06T21:24:50 < zyp> it's six pads, equivalent resistors would be six pads as well
2012-08-06T21:25:41 < zyp> of course, no ESD protection in the latter case
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2012-08-06T21:31:52 < pileopython> which is what we like about it.
2012-08-06T21:32:40 < pileopython> two parts vs the two parts i use for most of my other usb designs and we get ESD and the ability to disconect from the bus
2012-08-06T21:32:43 < pileopython> win win
2012-08-06T21:33:46 < pileopython> so zyp: i would.
2012-08-06T21:34:28 < pileopython> simple sometimes means peace of mind.
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2012-08-06T21:43:27 < zyp> ability to disconnect has nothing to do with the stf202, it's done by the external transistor
2012-08-06T21:57:07 < pileopython> yeah through the 202
2012-08-06T21:58:19 < pileopython> I was talking about the combination (hence 2 parts)
2012-08-06T21:59:44 < pileopython> sorry  I thought that was clear (the transistor and the 202 v the minimal resistors in line with D- and D+)
2012-08-06T22:00:02 < zyp> you would achieve the same with three resistors instead of the 202, that's why I said six pads
2012-08-06T22:00:27 < pileopython> this is silly
2012-08-06T22:01:08 < pileopython> I though the 202 was a lot of doing it right for not a lot of parts
2012-08-06T22:01:13 < pileopython> bleah
2012-08-06T22:02:06 < zyp> sure, I'd probably use it if I were doing usb on F1
2012-08-06T22:02:51 < zyp> but it wouldn't be much simpler :p
2012-08-06T22:03:04 < pileopython> carp3: anyways I thk thats a pretty good baseline for a minimal usb stm design.
2012-08-06T22:03:30 < zyp> agreed
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2012-08-06T22:29:20 < carp3>  i only have access to USBLC6-2P6. is it ok to use this instead of stf202 ?
2012-08-06T22:31:47 < Claude> used the USBLC6 in several commercial projects. so far non of these products failed the emc tests
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2012-08-06T22:33:06 < Claude> or better said non of them failed the emc test because of the usblc6 ;)
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2012-08-06T22:48:12 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2012-08-06T22:48:14 < Laurenceb_> http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/22150244/726176303/name/APAC
2012-08-06T22:49:01 < Laurenceb_> someone looking for a job just emailed that to me as an example of their experience
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2012-08-06T23:59:07 <+izua_> Laurenceb_:  you do hr?
--- Day changed Tue Aug 07 2012
2012-08-07T00:04:19 < Laurenceb_> luckly not
2012-08-07T00:04:31 < Laurenceb_> someone needs to be shot for that pdf
2012-08-07T00:04:47 < Laurenceb_> also thats not HR
2012-08-07T00:04:57 < Laurenceb_> its "H&S engineering"
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2012-08-07T01:43:29 < pileopython> sigh...
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2012-08-07T01:55:29 < Thorn> >operates at up to 200 megahertz speed, 10 times the speed in Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity's computers
2012-08-07T01:55:45 < Thorn> wat
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2012-08-07T01:56:33 < Thorn> only 20MHz in MER?
2012-08-07T01:56:37 < cjbaird> Yup.
2012-08-07T01:58:37 < cjbaird> The recent 'New Horizon' space probe has four 12MHz cpus..   Rad-hard to all fuck, of course.
2012-08-07T01:59:00 < cjbaird> The Voyagers are something like 150kHz
2012-08-07T02:01:01 < Thorn> new horizons was designed to be as cheap as possible iirc, and the datalink from pluto is going to be extremely slow
2012-08-07T02:01:34 < Thorn> but anyway if NASA wants public support they need to provide HD quality pictures
2012-08-07T02:01:43 < Thorn> or it didn't happen as the internet says
2012-08-07T02:02:02 < cjbaird> Meh. Going for the 15 minutes thing never worked.
2012-08-07T02:02:55 < cjbaird> 7 MINUTES OF TERRAH!!!!!
2012-08-07T02:04:13 < cjbaird> TTTTTTEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
2012-08-07T02:04:59 < cjbaird> All the hollerin' in the flight control was ridiculous.
2012-08-07T02:05:40 < Thorn> it was good television
2012-08-07T02:05:53 < cjbaird> (..but at least it wasn't constantly filled with interviewees praising God
2012-08-07T02:06:06 < cjbaird> Fucking Discovery Channel-level trash.
2012-08-07T02:07:25 < Thorn> the Administrator did say something about America ruling the world being a good thing for the world iirc
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2012-08-07T02:35:59 < cjbaird> It's actually been a long-delayed project of mine to make a computer-controlled RC rover with a 'slow scan' webcam.. aka an extremely ersatz space probe. :)
2012-08-07T02:37:32 < cjbaird> I'd wish the NASA site would would a lossless image format instead of the 92% JPEGs..
2012-08-07T02:39:57 < cjbaird> Gah, they're all "RGB" JPEGs shat out by Photoshop, too.
2012-08-07T02:40:39 < cjbaird> "To Boldly Chroma Artifact where no chroma artifact has been before!"
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2012-08-07T06:05:37 < bcsllc-steve> hey guys I need some help Im willing to pay for
2012-08-07T06:06:02 < bcsllc-steve>  i have an "action time" in hours:mins:sec:frames
2012-08-07T06:06:13 < bcsllc-steve> each in a seperate var
2012-08-07T06:06:21 < bcsllc-steve> there is 30 frames to  a second
2012-08-07T06:06:28 < bcsllc-steve> now I also have a var containg a "pre-fire"
2012-08-07T06:06:35 < bcsllc-steve> its in tenths of a second
2012-08-07T06:06:42 < bcsllc-steve> from 0 - 99
2012-08-07T06:06:54 < bcsllc-steve> so 99 is 9.9 seconds
2012-08-07T06:07:13 < bcsllc-steve> then I have a current time whic is the same as before hours:mins:sec:frames
2012-08-07T06:07:43 < bcsllc-steve> example event time is 01:01:01:01
2012-08-07T06:08:00 < bcsllc-steve> i need to subtract the 9.9 seconds from the event time
2012-08-07T06:08:09 < bcsllc-steve> and be able roll each variable back as needed
2012-08-07T06:08:15 < dongs> i did exactly this like 5 years ago
2012-08-07T06:08:23 < bcsllc-steve> cool
2012-08-07T06:08:36 < dongs> shifting subtitle timing or someshit
2012-08-07T06:08:51 < dongs> which was also hms:frame or something
2012-08-07T06:08:54 < bcsllc-steve> so where do I start ?
2012-08-07T06:09:09 < bcsllc-steve> 99  / 10 ? 99 * 1000
2012-08-07T06:09:24 < bcsllc-steve> i think i need convert hour to frames
2012-08-07T06:09:28 < bcsllc-steve> * 108000
2012-08-07T06:09:28 < bcsllc-steve> ?
2012-08-07T06:09:29 < dongs> is it actualyl 30 frames or
2012-08-07T06:09:33 < bcsllc-steve> yes
2012-08-07T06:09:36 < dongs> 29.97 or etc
2012-08-07T06:09:42 < bcsllc-steve> lets just say 30
2012-08-07T06:09:45 < dongs> or smpte drop or nondrop or blah
2012-08-07T06:10:01 < dongs> there's so much shit that can be variable for "frames" unless you know the exact info
2012-08-07T06:10:05 < bcsllc-steve> yeah skip that stuff
2012-08-07T06:10:29 < bcsllc-steve> frames = 0 thur 229
2012-08-07T06:10:29 < bcsllc-steve> 29
2012-08-07T06:10:42 < dongs> so 1 second = 29 frames
2012-08-07T06:10:48 < bcsllc-steve> 30 frames
2012-08-07T06:10:56 < bcsllc-steve> 0 - 29
2012-08-07T06:11:04 < dongs> (or whatever). so 9.9 = 30*9.9
2012-08-07T06:11:25 < dongs> convert .9 into frames
2012-08-07T06:11:27 < dongs> and subtract seconds separately
2012-08-07T06:12:06 < bcsllc-steve> ok so 9.9 seconds is 297 frames
2012-08-07T06:12:45 < dongs> so 0.9 = 27 frames
2012-08-07T06:12:48 < bcsllc-steve> right
2012-08-07T06:12:52 < dongs> subtract that from frames #
2012-08-07T06:12:58 < dongs> then do the rest of time math as normal time
2012-08-07T06:13:06 < dongs> i.e. just -9 seconds from the timestamp.
2012-08-07T06:13:14 < dongs> you can either convert h:m:s into seconds
2012-08-07T06:13:16 < dongs> subtract
2012-08-07T06:13:18 < dongs> adn go back to hms
2012-08-07T06:13:34 < dongs> or do some math directly on hms shit
2012-08-07T06:14:05 < bcsllc-steve> do I want 9 seconds * 30 first ?
2012-08-07T06:14:08 < bcsllc-steve> 270
2012-08-07T06:14:17 < dongs> no that was jsut example of how many frames y ou're shifting by
2012-08-07T06:16:21 < bcsllc-steve> ok so I need to start with subtracting 27 frames from 01:01:01:01 ?
2012-08-07T06:16:29 < dongs> yes
2012-08-07T06:16:36 < bcsllc-steve> 01 -27 = -26
2012-08-07T06:16:51 < dongs> yes, abs() that.
2012-08-07T06:16:58 < bcsllc-steve> 26
2012-08-07T06:17:31 < bcsllc-steve> now the seconds
2012-08-07T06:17:40 < bcsllc-steve> do 9.9 or 9 ?
2012-08-07T06:17:45 < dongs> 9.
2012-08-07T06:17:49 < bcsllc-steve> 9 * 30
2012-08-07T06:17:51 < dongs> just the integer part.
2012-08-07T06:17:56 < bcsllc-steve> 270
2012-08-07T06:18:21 < bcsllc-steve> oops, no I subtract 9 from the seconds
2012-08-07T06:18:23 < bcsllc-steve> 01 - 9
2012-08-07T06:18:39 < bcsllc-steve> ?
2012-08-07T06:18:40 < dongs> sigh
2012-08-07T06:18:45 < dongs> 60 seconds..
2012-08-07T06:19:33 < bcsllc-steve> come on go slow, spell it out
2012-08-07T06:19:36 < bcsllc-steve> im slow
2012-08-07T06:20:44 < dongs> http://www.aaamath.com/meatsbms.htm
2012-08-07T06:20:57 < dongs> should cover your questions for h:m:s math.
2012-08-07T06:22:47 < bcsllc-steve> lol i what it is supposed to be
2012-08-07T06:23:01 < bcsllc-steve> just trying to make it with vars
2012-08-07T06:23:30 < dongs> christ dude.
2012-08-07T06:23:48 < dongs> make "what" with vars. its all spelled out already.
2012-08-07T06:23:57 < bcsllc-steve> ok thanks
2012-08-07T06:40:58 < bcsllc-steve> dongs, whats your paypal email address
2012-08-07T06:50:33 < dongs> http://0x.ca/
2012-08-07T06:53:52 < bcsllc-steve>  simon kirby ?
2012-08-07T06:55:29 < bcsllc-steve> that aint you
2012-08-07T06:56:09 < bcsllc-steve> You are "DOngs, James Dongs !"
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2012-08-07T11:39:55 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-07T11:40:26 < zyp> no
2012-08-07T11:40:47 < zyp> but good morning
2012-08-07T11:41:58 <+Steffanx> Time to have a course latvian from ratatata, zyp
2012-08-07T11:42:31 < zyp> this is not a latvian channel, so I can do without it.
2012-08-07T11:43:06 <+Steffanx> If you say so :)
2012-08-07T11:45:53 <+Steffanx> Where it says it's not btw?
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2012-08-07T12:02:52 < dongs> http://420.thrashbarg.net/retarded_facebook_twitter_guy_from_the_future_50s_space_suit.jpg
2012-08-07T12:05:20 <+Steffanx> :D
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2012-08-07T12:06:37 < zyp> dongs, so, what did you have for breakfast today?
2012-08-07T12:06:48 <+Steffanx> You didn't see the photo?
2012-08-07T12:07:14 < zyp> why do you think I'm asking?
2012-08-07T12:07:32 <+Steffanx> Man, you aren't from this time are you?
2012-08-07T12:11:29 <+Steffanx> Too bad time traveling like that is never going to happen
2012-08-07T12:11:46 < dongs> if it does
2012-08-07T12:12:01 < dongs> im going back and murdering zukerdork.
2012-08-07T12:12:22 <+Steffanx> I'm going to kill the internet before it even exists
2012-08-07T12:13:05 < dongs> outlaw everything  except irc
2012-08-07T12:13:16 <+Steffanx> Noo
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2012-08-07T13:33:42 <+Steffanx> Ahr, you are doooomed Laurenceb
2012-08-07T13:33:46 <+Steffanx> me too btw
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2012-08-07T14:02:08 < Thorn> flexible battery http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qws9XeKW3ws
2012-08-07T14:03:47 < karlp> groovy
2012-08-07T14:03:54 < karlp> but what's the capacity?
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2012-08-07T14:32:24 < Laurenceb> im wondering how flexible lipo is
2012-08-07T14:32:36 < Laurenceb> contemplating trying with a G clamp
2012-08-07T14:33:31 < zyp> isn't a lipo cell rolled up film?
2012-08-07T14:33:54 < Laurenceb> yeah
2012-08-07T14:34:06 < Laurenceb> i need to bend one slightly for an enclosure
2012-08-07T14:34:14 < Oldboy> bad idea in my opinion
2012-08-07T14:34:17 < zyp> anyway, if you try bending the cell, you'll end up shorting the layers
2012-08-07T14:34:22 < zyp> and then you get to watch fireworks
2012-08-07T14:34:26 < Laurenceb> as in middle up by a few mm
2012-08-07T14:34:29 < Laurenceb> over 50mm
2012-08-07T14:34:59 < Thorn> btw, has anyone heard anything specific about that "faster FFT" algorithm?
2012-08-07T14:35:17 < zyp> which?
2012-08-07T14:35:32 < Laurenceb> fft faster than fft?
2012-08-07T14:36:07 < Thorn> it's been reported a few weeks ago. some variation on fft
2012-08-07T14:37:13 < zyp> http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/01/20/037236/faster-than-fast-fourier-transform <- this?
2012-08-07T14:37:44 < Thorn> probably
2012-08-07T14:37:52 < Laurenceb> oh
2012-08-07T14:37:58 < Laurenceb> isnt that an approximation?
2012-08-07T14:38:03 < Thorn> but I've read about it much later than January
2012-08-07T14:40:54 < Thorn> I wonder if it can be successfully hardware accelerated using existing MAC blocks etc.
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2012-08-07T15:43:32 < jpa-> it's just for sparse data, AFAIK
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2012-08-07T15:47:57 < Tectu> bss + data is the static RAM size, right?
2012-08-07T15:48:51 < zyp> yep
2012-08-07T15:49:10 < Laurenceb> http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7672964608/in/photostream
2012-08-07T15:49:14 < Laurenceb> lolling
2012-08-07T15:50:04 < Tectu> thanks zyp
2012-08-07T15:50:08 < Thorn> + stack
2012-08-07T15:50:41 < Thorn> and heap if any
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2012-08-07T15:51:32 < Tectu> ARMs don't segfault, right?
2012-08-07T15:51:37 < Tectu> since they are flat segmented
2012-08-07T15:51:40 < Tectu> wait
2012-08-07T15:51:45 < Tectu> that has nothing in common, never mind :D
2012-08-07T15:52:29 < Oldboy> put away the ganja
2012-08-07T15:54:25 <+Steffanx> fyi i didn't lol, Laurenceb
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2012-08-07T15:57:36 <+izua_> Tectu: just pass it around
2012-08-07T15:57:43 <+izua_> they can also divide by 0
2012-08-07T15:57:49 < zyp> Tectu, wrong
2012-08-07T15:57:54 < Tectu> izua_, seriously?
2012-08-07T15:58:35 < zyp> Tectu, a segfault nowadays is just a «trying to access unmapped page» fault
2012-08-07T15:58:57 < Tectu> zyp, do ARMs have vmm? o0
2012-08-07T15:59:00 < Tectu> virtual memory...
2012-08-07T15:59:15 < Thorn> CPUs do
2012-08-07T15:59:16 < zyp> no, cortex-m doesn't
2012-08-07T15:59:27 < Thorn> MCUs can have memory protection
2012-08-07T15:59:39 < zyp> but you'll still get a busfault if you try accessing memory areas that doesn't exist
2012-08-07T15:59:56 < Tectu> zyp, i see
2012-08-07T16:00:06 < zyp> and with the MPU capable ones, you'll also get a fault if you try accessing areas protected by the MPU
2012-08-07T16:00:12 < Tectu> and can they really divide by zero without crashing?
2012-08-07T16:00:16 < zyp> provided that you use the MPU of course
2012-08-07T16:00:49 < Thorn> do realtime systems ever use vitual memory btw? it looks like a huge source of nondetermisism
2012-08-07T16:00:55 < Tectu> zyp,  ^
2012-08-07T16:01:03 < zyp> how to handle a zero division is really up to you
2012-08-07T16:01:48 < zyp> I haven't checked the specifics on cortex-m, but I suspect you may get a fault for that too, and handle it as you want
2012-08-07T16:01:55 < zyp> fault != crash
2012-08-07T16:02:12 < Tectu> so i get a fault which can be handled like "turn divided by zero LED on" and continue? :D
2012-08-07T16:02:36 < zyp> yes
2012-08-07T16:02:55 < zyp> a fault is just an interrupt
2012-08-07T16:03:19 < zyp> though, directly returning from it will return to the faulting division
2012-08-07T16:04:11 < Thorn> >You can set up the DIVBYZERO bit in the NVIC Configuration Control Register so that when a
2012-08-07T16:04:11 < Thorn> divide by zero occurs, a fault exception (usage fault) takes place. Otherwise, <Rd> will become 0 if a
2012-08-07T16:04:11 < Thorn> divide by zero takes place.
2012-08-07T16:04:19 < zyp> but you can modify the return addr to skip it, do some unwinding stuff to handle it, or just kill off that thread and switch to another
2012-08-07T16:04:26 < Thorn> ^^ The Book page 73
2012-08-07T16:04:32 < zyp> right, that's what I suspected
2012-08-07T16:04:55 < zyp> so you can actually configure whether a zero-division will trigger a fault or silently be ignored
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2012-08-07T16:22:17 < Tectu> nice, thank you guys
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2012-08-07T16:23:30 <+Steffanx> And what happens when it's ignore?
2012-08-07T16:24:11 <+Steffanx> d
2012-08-07T16:24:19 < Thorn> >Otherwise, <Rd> will become 0 if a divide by zero takes place.
2012-08-07T16:24:37 <+Steffanx> :D
2012-08-07T16:27:18 < zyp> flyback, not all are synthesized with mpu
2012-08-07T16:27:34 < zyp> the cheap F1s doesn't have one
2012-08-07T16:28:01 < Thorn> some lpc17xx (cm3) have an mpu
2012-08-07T16:28:25 < Thorn> stm32 cm3 ones don't afaik, only cm4
2012-08-07T16:29:04 < zyp> Thorn, I believe the largest density F1 ones have one
2012-08-07T16:29:10 < zyp> and probably also F2
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2012-08-07T17:35:24 < Laurenceb> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3030561&cid=40902259
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2012-08-07T17:36:52 <+Steffanx> Not even worth reading Laurenceb
2012-08-07T17:37:07 <+Steffanx> *to read or whatever
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2012-08-07T18:20:54 < Laurenceb> hmm i might know what my Sd card issues is
2012-08-07T18:21:14 < Laurenceb> it could be ringing on the card select line
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2012-08-07T22:52:13 < Laurenceb_> arg
2012-08-07T22:52:17 < Laurenceb_> qt is complex
2012-08-07T22:52:30 < Laurenceb_> i just want a simple graph viewer
2012-08-07T22:52:58 < Laurenceb_> how the hell do i create a paintevent?
2012-08-07T22:53:53 <+Steffanx> Go for drag and drop VS 2010 something :P.net
2012-08-07T22:56:06 < Laurenceb_> haha
2012-08-07T22:56:18 < Laurenceb_> i guess i spawn something that runs in a loow
2012-08-07T22:56:21 < Laurenceb_> *loop
2012-08-07T22:56:25 < zyp> I used a QGLWidget and just passed the graph data to opengl to draw
2012-08-07T22:56:41 < Laurenceb_> i have data coming in from /dev/usbACM0 or something
2012-08-07T22:56:47 < Laurenceb_> and want to plot it
2012-08-07T22:56:56 < Laurenceb_> i guess i could haxor gnuplot
2012-08-07T22:56:58 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2012-08-07T22:57:27 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/aIkOH <- here is the code drawing this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/GHc37.png
2012-08-07T22:57:33 < Laurenceb_> but it tends to end badly when you try to replot at 10hz
2012-08-07T22:57:35 < Laurenceb_> thanks
2012-08-07T22:58:13 <+Steffanx> with python .. ofcourse :P
2012-08-07T22:58:20 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2012-08-07T22:58:24 <+Steffanx> You proved my point again zyp :P
2012-08-07T22:58:35 < zyp> which point? :p
2012-08-07T22:58:38 < Laurenceb_> opengl using qt using python
2012-08-07T22:58:41 <+Steffanx> python => hacky test language :P
2012-08-07T22:58:55 < zyp> nah, it's fine
2012-08-07T22:59:17 < zyp> I'm going to make the widget reusable and integrate it into the final application
2012-08-07T23:00:51 < Laurenceb_> hmm think ill make a qt gui
2012-08-07T23:01:03 < Laurenceb_> i want something professional that i can ship to windoze users
2012-08-07T23:01:56 < zyp> I used opengl because I wanted something fast, drawing graphs point by point is slow
2012-08-07T23:08:57 < Laurenceb_> so how do i do this?
2012-08-07T23:09:11 < Laurenceb_> is there a way to test for data from /dev/ttyACM0?
2012-08-07T23:09:21 < Laurenceb_> or do i have a thread thats polling it
2012-08-07T23:15:54 < zyp> since it's a tty, I'd use pyserial in python
2012-08-07T23:16:10 < Laurenceb_> heh
2012-08-07T23:16:24 < Laurenceb_> wait actually its usbACM0
2012-08-07T23:16:35 < zyp> still a tty
2012-08-07T23:17:48 < Laurenceb_> i see
2012-08-07T23:18:10 < Laurenceb_> can you compile python to an exe for windows?
2012-08-07T23:18:17 < Laurenceb_> that doesnt have dependancies?
2012-08-07T23:19:08 < zyp> http://www.py2exe.org/
2012-08-07T23:19:14 < zyp> never used it though
2012-08-07T23:19:48 < Laurenceb_> thanks
2012-08-07T23:20:13 < Laurenceb_> ive got some graph code already using pyserial and wxwindows
2012-08-07T23:23:25 < Laurenceb_> i used a separate thread then the queue thingy
2012-08-07T23:23:33 < Laurenceb_> to pass data to the window
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2012-08-08T00:23:06 < Laurenceb_> its actually possible using octave
2012-08-08T00:23:19 < Laurenceb_> but thats not entirely professional
2012-08-08T00:46:44 <+izua> you can just use bray's terminal
2012-08-08T00:46:53 <+izua> it can parse quite a bit of data formats and graph it
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2012-08-08T00:47:47 <+izua> or c#. it's less of a hacky-test-language than python because every windows box out there can do .NET 2.0 or so
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2012-08-08T01:08:01 < Laurenceb_> hmm whats mono like these days?
2012-08-08T01:08:28 < karlp> pretty decent,
2012-08-08T01:08:33 < karlp> most stuff works.
2012-08-08T01:08:41 < karlp> just a big dependency that's all
2012-08-08T01:09:20 <+Steffanx> And it's (much) slower
2012-08-08T01:09:24 < zyp> doesn't mono just support a pretty old API version or something like that?
2012-08-08T01:09:25 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2012-08-08T01:09:37 < Laurenceb_> maybe i should try c#
2012-08-08T01:09:46 < Laurenceb_> ive never really written any serious gui
2012-08-08T01:09:48 < zyp> I don't have any experience with it myself, but I overheard it in an discussion between some friends
2012-08-08T01:09:58 <+Steffanx> It's pretty up to date nowadays
2012-08-08T01:10:09 <+Steffanx> most of .net 4.0
2012-08-08T01:10:11 <+Steffanx> or even 4.5
2012-08-08T01:10:30 < cjbaird> Anything cool to buy today? I'm making another order with E14..
2012-08-08T01:10:41 < Laurenceb_> *cough* raspberry pi
2012-08-08T01:10:45 < zyp> really? because what I heard was the exact opposite
2012-08-08T01:10:53 <+Steffanx> http://www.mono-project.com/Compatibility
2012-08-08T01:11:00 < karlp> can someone buy some mrf24j40ma modules for me?
2012-08-08T01:11:00 <+Steffanx> Something are just completely missing
2012-08-08T01:11:05 < cjbaird> Laurenceb_: already got 5 of them..
2012-08-08T01:11:06 < karlp> mine keep getting stuck in customs.
2012-08-08T01:11:19 <+Steffanx> *some things
2012-08-08T01:11:51 < zyp> right
2012-08-08T01:12:23 < zyp> they were talking about porting some application to mono, maybe they were talking about missing support for a specific part then
2012-08-08T01:13:03 < Laurenceb_> C# supported fine then
2012-08-08T01:13:31 <+Steffanx> Just use monodevelop and you'll see (it use GTK though)
2012-08-08T01:13:46 <+Steffanx> So no winforms :)
2012-08-08T01:14:20 <+Steffanx> There are Qt bindings as well
2012-08-08T01:14:44 < cjbaird> Sacrilege: a Maple/Arduino MSP430 board.. https://www.olimex.com/dev/olimexino-5510.html
2012-08-08T01:15:00 < karlp> rumous are that TI is making them too
2012-08-08T01:15:05 < karlp> energia or something
2012-08-08T01:15:26 < karlp> stupid uext connectors again.
2012-08-08T01:15:39 < cjbaird> I'll wait for that-- at least the TI should have USB, unlike the jtag-only programming on this.
2012-08-08T01:16:00 < karlp> cjbaird: get some of the energy harvesting modules and let me know which ones really work
2012-08-08T01:16:01 < Laurenceb_> lolimexino
2012-08-08T01:16:06 < karlp> piezo and thermoelectric please
2012-08-08T01:16:17 <+Steffanx> lauduino !
2012-08-08T01:16:17 < Laurenceb_> pedobears favourite
2012-08-08T01:16:45 < Laurenceb_> lorduino
2012-08-08T01:16:58 <+Steffanx> laurduino
2012-08-08T01:17:10 <+Steffanx> *laurduino_
2012-08-08T01:22:05 < Laurenceb_> http://octave.1599824.n4.nabble.com/Serial-comm-td2234692.html
2012-08-08T01:22:12 < Laurenceb_> the really bad way to do it :P
2012-08-08T01:22:29 <+Steffanx> Go for it
2012-08-08T01:22:41 < Laurenceb_> ill do it like that to test the maths for data processing
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2012-08-08T01:42:21 < sourcebox> karlp: I have a question regarding the st-util. Is it possible that the GDB memory map is missing an entry for the EEPROM?
2012-08-08T01:42:57 < karlp> given that only the L series has eeprom, yeah,
2012-08-08T01:43:04 < karlp> I think there's even a comment in the source about it.
2012-08-08T01:43:11 < sourcebox> Ok
2012-08-08T01:43:20 < karlp> also, I don't know how gdb / linker scripts use the eeprom
2012-08-08T01:43:26 < karlp> so it wasn't a priority at the time.
2012-08-08T01:43:39 < sourcebox> I was a little bit confused cause the addresses can't be shown
2012-08-08T01:43:46 < karlp> hmm,
2012-08-08T01:44:00 < karlp> what, with just printing addresses?
2012-08-08T01:44:04 < karlp> I thought it would try and print anywhere.
2012-08-08T01:44:15 < karlp> but does the eeprom just let itself be read as if it was normal memory?
2012-08-08T01:44:19 < sourcebox> you can't access them
2012-08-08T01:44:51 < zyp> try: set mem inaccessible-by-default off
2012-08-08T01:45:40 < sourcebox> ok, that seems to do something
2012-08-08T01:46:13 < zyp> are you able to read eeprom now?
2012-08-08T01:46:30 < sourcebox> thank you, that looks good
2012-08-08T01:47:02 < sourcebox> I have to include it in the gdb scripts...
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2012-08-08T01:52:48 < sourcebox> Very nice, eclipse now shows me the struct with eeprom data
2012-08-08T01:56:19 < ntfreak> Laurenceb: i have used QwtPlot in the past - http://qwt.sourceforge.net/
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2012-08-08T03:10:09 < karlp> meh, had big plans for the evening, did almost zero of them.
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2012-08-08T03:58:35 < izua__> make a list
2012-08-08T03:58:37 < izua__> so you can become a better procrastinator
2012-08-08T03:58:55 < izua__> if you'd forget what you should be lazy about, that's not being very lazy, is it?
2012-08-08T04:08:10 < dongs> zippe is mega excited now http://in.docs.yahoo.com/messenger/download/unix.html
2012-08-08T04:36:13 < cjbaird> It uses the most awesome gtk-1.2 .. the only GTK series worth using
2012-08-08T04:38:39 < cjbaird> A mate of mine worth the ICQ client for Linux.. :/
2012-08-08T04:39:10 < cjbaird> "What the Hell for? There's already IRC.."
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2012-08-08T04:41:54 < dongs> haha icq
2012-08-08T04:41:59 < dongs> only terrorists use that
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2012-08-08T04:46:18 < cjbaird> Knowing Leon, he was seeking the AOL teen girl scene..
2012-08-08T04:48:57 < cjbaird> I've just bought the most potent fscking Wasabi dried peas on the planet.
2012-08-08T04:49:08 < dongs> you weaboo fgt
2012-08-08T04:51:52 < cjbaird> Double weeaboo fgt EXTREME: I'm making fresh Udon noodles for dinner tonight.
2012-08-08T04:52:36 < dongs> don't forget to eat them with your autographed hello kitty chopsticks while looking at a pinku bento box
2012-08-08T04:53:27 < cjbaird> Damn, the housemate's cat won't eat the peas.
2012-08-08T04:54:01 < dongs> even teh cat knows.
2012-08-08T04:54:14 < dongs> every jap I've met avoids the fuck out of wasabi
2012-08-08T04:54:21 < dongs> i think the only people that acutally eat that shit are weaboos
2012-08-08T04:54:50 < cjbaird> At least I won't pig them down in a single sitting, like most other snacks I get.
2012-08-08T05:08:44 < karlp> well fuck, that went well.
2012-08-08T05:08:58 < karlp> tried to update the kernel and firmwre on the rpi, now it doesn't boot
2012-08-08T05:13:49 < cjbaird> Probably fucked up the modules. Happened to me-- copied the Image into kernel.img, but forgot to module_install
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2012-08-08T05:16:56 < karlp> http://pastebin.com/JnqEL1CL
2012-08-08T05:17:08 < karlp> got blinkelights taht said it couldn't load start.elf,
2012-08-08T05:17:22 < karlp> stuck the card back in my machine, copied one of the start files over start.elf,
2012-08-08T05:17:28 < karlp> now it doesn't blink any lights.
2012-08-08T05:17:42 < karlp> can't see any way other than just reimaging the card from scratch
2012-08-08T05:17:46 < karlp> a little tedious
2012-08-08T05:17:51 < karlp> so bed instead.
2012-08-08T05:18:14 < cjbaird> Reimaging the FAT partition part, anyway.
2012-08-08T05:19:10 < karlp> yeah, but I don't reall feel like learning enough of the image generation and build steps to do that.
2012-08-08T05:19:19 < karlp> it's the least fun part of linux
2012-08-08T05:21:28 < cjbaird> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation ..was my guide
2012-08-08T05:32:03 < cjbaird> Something Japanese I can't stand: sake .. It's down there with lagers and bourbon.
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2012-08-08T06:02:06 < dongs> when are they gonna have win8 running on shitberry
2012-08-08T06:02:13 < dongs> then it might actually be useful..
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2012-08-08T07:07:18 < cjbaird> Windows 8?
2012-08-08T07:07:28 < cjbaird> LULZ
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2012-08-08T11:44:44 < dongs> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1706966
2012-08-08T11:44:48 < dongs> it just gets better and better
2012-08-08T11:46:54 < zyp> ha
2012-08-08T11:47:39 <+Steffanx> Nice spam
2012-08-08T11:50:52 <+Steffanx> Just another dx-ish chinese crap website
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2012-08-08T12:12:02 <+dekar__> dongs, I am pretty sure win8 needs ARMv7 or higher
2012-08-08T12:12:18 <+dekar__> you could probably run dosbox and boot win95 though
2012-08-08T12:12:30 <+Steffanx> And who wants to boot win95 ?!?!
2012-08-08T12:12:39 <+dekar__> dongs maybe?
2012-08-08T12:12:59 <+Steffanx> He is crazy/weird, but THAT crazy/weird?
2012-08-08T12:13:24 <+dekar__> it probably is more useful than win8 for arm anyway
2012-08-08T12:13:36 <+dekar__> I mean you can't run any native applications on win8-arm
2012-08-08T12:13:39 <+Steffanx> win8 isn't useful at all
2012-08-08T12:13:59 <+Steffanx> All those 'improvements'
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2012-08-08T12:26:29 < cjbaird> I actually downloaded the Win8 preview and tried it out ... My first thought was "I'm -really- Surfing the Gibson now!!"
2012-08-08T12:49:01 < cjbaird> Cool-- the udon noodles turned out like they should..
2012-08-08T12:58:03 < karlp> wasn't that last night?
2012-08-08T12:58:13 < karlp> I'm pretty sure I saw you talk about cooking them before I went to bed
2012-08-08T13:04:04 < cjbaird> last night for you.
2012-08-08T13:06:12 < karlp> still, 8 hours ago
2012-08-08T13:11:58 < dongs> haha
2012-08-08T13:14:49 < cjbaird> It's about 8:15 in the evening here..
2012-08-08T13:19:27 < zyp> I just ate lunch
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2012-08-08T13:40:20 < Laurenceb> dongs:    http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveake/7672964608/in/photostream
2012-08-08T13:40:31 < Laurenceb> i found your house?
2012-08-08T13:52:34 < dongs> lol
2012-08-08T14:12:32 < dongs> whaT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
2012-08-08T14:15:15 < Laurenceb> wtf i dont even...
2012-08-08T14:16:40 <+Steffanx> Oh, i just saw that video on TV
2012-08-08T14:16:49 < karlp> that's awesome!
2012-08-08T14:17:09 <+Steffanx> No it's terrible
2012-08-08T14:18:33 < Laurenceb> for once ill agree with Steffanx
2012-08-08T14:18:40 <+Steffanx> W
2012-08-08T14:18:41 <+Steffanx> W000t
2012-08-08T14:25:29 < dongs> haha
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2012-08-08T15:06:56 < cjbaird> nom: http://i.imgur.com/YX7R1.jpg
2012-08-08T15:07:28 <+Steffanx> Not really
2012-08-08T15:08:20 < Oldboy> yum
2012-08-08T15:09:23 < cjbaird> The soup didn't taste like ass like the last time I used chicken soup stock, fortunately.
2012-08-08T15:09:49 <+Steffanx> Oh, it IS a soup :D
2012-08-08T15:12:45 <+Steffanx> How do you call this masterpiece, cjbaird ?
2012-08-08T15:13:09 < zyp> cjbaird, what inspired you to make udon?
2012-08-08T15:13:24 < karlp> the tastiness?
2012-08-08T15:17:05 < cjbaird> Mostly from this: http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/chicken-udon-soup-50400000118586/ ... motivation: the latest episode of the chinese cartoon "Space Brothers"
2012-08-08T15:17:48 < cjbaird> Was very tasty, but then I cheat and use MSG. :)
2012-08-08T15:18:03 < zyp> ha, that's what I suspected
2012-08-08T15:18:11 < zyp> I've also watched that episode :p
2012-08-08T15:18:59 < Oldboy> does MSG help in a Chicken soup ?
2012-08-08T15:19:02 <+Steffanx> You guys and your 'MSG'
2012-08-08T15:19:57 < Oldboy> msg simulates the 'taste' of meat (protein) doesn't it ?
2012-08-08T15:20:38 < cjbaird> Yup, the fifth taste sense 'savory/umami'
2012-08-08T15:21:12 < cjbaird> Makes a good alternative to regular salt, at least.
2012-08-08T15:22:10 <+Steffanx> I want more than 'standard' MSG in my food i go to McDonalds :P
2012-08-08T15:22:19 <+Steffanx> *If I
2012-08-08T15:22:55 <+Steffanx> I mean, you won't see me add more of that crap in my food
2012-08-08T15:23:37 < cjbaird> It's pretty-much impossible to get MSG-laden food around here in AU .. A big xenophobic push against it in the early 1980s pretty-much had it removed from everything. :/
2012-08-08T15:24:30 < cjbaird> I have a stack of /nasty/ food additives in my kitchen :D .. MSG, Maltodextrin, Xanthian Gum, ... Lots of fun to play with.
2012-08-08T15:25:50 < cjbaird> Xanthian is great for making jellies out of anything (vodka..), as a general thickener, and preventing ice-crystals forming in homemade ice-cream and such.
2012-08-08T15:26:12 < Oldboy> MSG flavored Xantian gum trests.
2012-08-08T15:26:15 < Oldboy> *treats
2012-08-08T15:26:29 < cjbaird> Meat Jelly. For Men.
2012-08-08T15:27:25 <+Steffanx> Xanthian .. me doesn't know that
2012-08-08T15:27:38 <+Steffanx> Google only finds something about a stone
2012-08-08T15:28:12 < cjbaird> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthan_gum ... it helps if I spell it correction to beging with..
2012-08-08T15:28:26 <+Steffanx> oh :D
2012-08-08T15:30:16 < cjbaird> *correctly *begin
2012-08-08T15:30:20 < cjbaird> d'oh
2012-08-08T15:31:25 <+Steffanx> My correction spell works :P
2012-08-08T15:41:52 <+izua> cjbaird: there was some epic thing in 'modernist cuisine'
2012-08-08T15:42:12 <+izua> two teas, one warm, one cold, with some thickening agent in between
2012-08-08T15:42:28 <+izua> then again, that book is full of weird epic stuff
2012-08-08T15:42:37 <+Steffanx> Man, why the US and EU are such cry babies. China: Export of Rare Earth Elements is going to be cut down by 20%. US and EU: Meeeh, WTO help us!
2012-08-08T15:43:21 <+Steffanx> Oh, and jappyland too btw
2012-08-08T15:45:35 < cjbaird> They'll only use the rare earth elements in pointless consumer shit like smartphones, anyway.
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2012-08-08T15:51:10 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb ! I have something for you you can post on 4chan or whatever website you like
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2012-08-08T16:00:39 < Laurenceb> wut
2012-08-08T16:02:18 <+Steffanx> https://twitter.com/JanitavdLeeden/status/233131256869683201/photo/1 girl doesn't know how to open it
2012-08-08T16:02:25 <+Steffanx> https://twitter.com/JanitavdLeeden/status/233172782941347840 but she succeeded :P
2012-08-08T16:03:07 < zyp> haha
2012-08-08T16:03:19 < karlp> hehe
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2012-08-08T17:00:03 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/zgNZsb77.html
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2012-08-08T17:05:18 < zyp> cool story bro
2012-08-08T17:07:38 <+Steffanx> "Ps. Im a girl not bro..."
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2012-08-08T17:14:34 < dongs> lo
2012-08-08T17:14:40 <+Steffanx> thi
2012-08-08T17:15:04 < dongs> i did end up posting /a/s/l in there
2012-08-08T17:15:43 <+Steffanx> lol
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2012-08-08T20:04:20 < zippe> Hm.  Anyone have a favorite modtracker that might work on the STM32 using pwm audio out?
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2012-08-08T20:14:49 < feurig> zippe: modtracker?
2012-08-08T20:15:27 <+Steffanx> zippe wants to make fancy chiptune songs :P
2012-08-08T20:18:11 < feurig> so does my friend soycamo
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2012-08-08T20:44:24 < zippe> I want my quad to play "ride of the valkyries" as it heads off into the Agent Orange sunrise
2012-08-08T20:44:38 < karlp> hehe
2012-08-08T20:45:18 < karlp> I dunno, how many of the modplayer _playing_ things were written with portability in mind, and not trying to fit into demo scene code size limits?
2012-08-08T20:45:46 < karlp> actually, if you just ask in #demoscene or something, they'll probably know which mod players are portably small, rather than x86 asm full of tricks
2012-08-08T20:48:06 < zippe> Yeah, the only ones I've found so far are the mod-only player that Rockbox uses, and Dumb, which seems too big and evil
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2012-08-08T21:20:15 < Claude> zippe, http://www.serveurperso.com/temp/ ?
2012-08-08T21:24:52 < Claude> and : http://www.chipkit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=572
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2012-08-08T22:18:49 < Laurenceb_> http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8199/rapeducks.jpg
2012-08-08T22:19:47 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb_ you can say it out loud: Yes i fap on that
2012-08-08T22:20:15 < Laurenceb_> http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo294/electricpest/rape.jpg
2012-08-08T22:22:17 <+Steffanx> You can do it Laurenceb_
2012-08-08T22:22:33 < Laurenceb_> i know
2012-08-08T22:22:41 <+Steffanx> but ..
2012-08-08T22:22:46 < Laurenceb_> no need to molst children now i have a wall
2012-08-08T22:22:50 < Laurenceb_> *molest
2012-08-08T22:23:09 <+Steffanx> i meant that what i said after the duck image
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2012-08-09T00:51:35 < cjbaird> Naughty Corea is Best Corea: http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8512964
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2012-08-09T01:16:49 <+Steffanx> Why they even care about a random newspaper?!
2012-08-09T01:17:14 <+Steffanx> one that's know  for it's 'funny' news?
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2012-08-09T03:05:01  * feurig calls job security.
2012-08-09T03:05:05 < feurig> its all good.
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2012-08-09T03:41:09 < feurig> show me a seasoned admin and I will show you someone who drinks their martinis dry and in pairs or tripplets
2012-08-09T03:41:27 < feurig> there is a reason why I am doing embedded work.....
2012-08-09T03:41:46 < feurig> better for the liver...
2012-08-09T03:47:14 < dongs> when I started reading i first thought you were describing your farts
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2012-08-09T04:23:25 < cjbaird> Shittiest ending of any Disney movie I've watched..
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2012-08-09T05:07:31 < cjbaird> I feel strangely refreshed after spending the past hour watching videos on youtube of Americans having nuclear bombs dropped on them.. :D ("The Day After", et.al.)
2012-08-09T05:36:45 < cjbaird> flyback: btw, bad news if you haven't heard: Darrell Lee are going out of business. :/
2012-08-09T05:47:33 < zippe> claude: That's awesome, thanks
2012-08-09T06:05:02 < zippe> cjbaird: truly
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2012-08-09T07:18:48 < cjbaird> Stopped reading when I saw the nintendo 'joysticks'
2012-08-09T07:19:46 < cjbaird> 80s kids like me hate the shit games that the 90s kids swallowed-up..
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2012-08-09T07:36:40 < cjbaird> I'd be more interesting in something that was just a straight 'smart' video adapter-- serial/i2c/etc. input, full VGA/DVI output up to 1920x1080; text modes, graphics modes. The Gameudino board doesn't make it easy for stuff like that. (And something without the proprietary limits of the 4D System.)
2012-08-09T07:39:35 < cjbaird> http://www.4dsystems.com.au/prod.php?id=131 ...being the almost-but-not-quite-buyable 4DS module.
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2012-08-09T07:54:22 < zippe> You could start with the papilio perhaps
2012-08-09T07:54:34 < zippe> DVI out is hard, but VGA isn't so bad.
2012-08-09T07:58:21 < zippe> Here you go:
2012-08-09T07:58:21 < zippe> http://www.gadgetfactory.net/2012/04/spi-vga-controller-working-with-the-papilio-one/
2012-08-09T08:20:12 < cjbaird> Of course, there's always turning a Raspberry Pi into such a beast.. Have some kind of a smart-terminal emulator..
2012-08-09T08:20:37 < cjbaird> Certainly a lot cheaper than some other offerings.. (and it does the 1920x1080..)
2012-08-09T09:20:18 < zippe> You could turn it into a Xterminal
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2012-08-09T09:49:57 < cjbaird> Xlib would be a bit beyond the means of an MSP430..
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2012-08-09T10:28:14 < R0b0t1> What? naaah
2012-08-09T10:29:25 < zippe> I wasn't suggesting xlib
2012-08-09T10:29:31 < zippe> Just that you could use the drawing protocol 8)
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2012-08-09T11:28:18 < cjbaird> xterm has a funky Tektronix emulator mode that I've used a few times -- http://i.imgur.com/uXIi6.png (basically Tek's graphics mode is a base32 coordinate encoding)
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2012-08-09T12:52:36 <+Steffanx> Not much blogging from dongs lately.. what happened?
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2012-08-09T15:16:22 < karlp> how do you eliminate warnings from unused variables when you've #ifdefed out the guts of a function based on library support?
2012-08-09T15:16:35 < karlp> it feels ugly to have to wrap the caller with the #ifdef as well.
2012-08-09T16:05:46 < jpa-> you mean   (void)variable; ?
2012-08-09T16:07:29 <+Steffanx> Ignore them all: -Wno-unused-variable  :P
2012-08-09T16:07:34 <+Steffanx> *the warnings
2012-08-09T16:08:10 < karlp> no, like http://pastebin.com/mma3HJqf
2012-08-09T16:08:15  * karlp slaps Steffanx 
2012-08-09T16:10:37 <+Steffanx> So what jpa- said or the unused attribute ?
2012-08-09T16:12:00 < karlp> huh, yeah ok,
2012-08-09T16:12:08 < karlp> I've never seen that (void) before.
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2012-08-09T16:17:52 < karlp> thanks jpa-
2012-08-09T16:18:30 < jpa-> np :)
2012-08-09T16:19:57 <+Steffanx> I actually never knew there is another "unused" GCC attribute
2012-08-09T16:20:16 <+Steffanx> unused - This attribute, attached to a variable, means that the variable is meant to be possibly unused. GCC will not produce a warning for this variable.
2012-08-09T16:22:53 < jpa-> but only gcc supports that
2012-08-09T16:23:18 <+Steffanx> True
2012-08-09T16:23:30 < karlp> that would also have to be on the variable in the function def
2012-08-09T16:23:35 < karlp> which wouldn't do the same thing
2012-08-09T16:29:49 <+Steffanx> Not do the same karlp ?
2012-08-09T16:44:30 < karlp> I want it to give me warnings when the other section is #defined in.
2012-08-09T16:44:57 <+Steffanx> Aaah, ok :)
2012-08-09T16:45:12 < zyp> use an #else clause and «use» it with (void)foo;
2012-08-09T16:45:26 < karlp> yeah, that's what jpa did, and what I've just committed :)
2012-08-09T16:45:36 < zyp> :)
2012-08-09T16:45:36 < karlp> late! you're late zyp!
2012-08-09T16:45:43 < zyp> I'm working
2012-08-09T16:45:48 <+Steffanx> LOL
2012-08-09T16:46:07 < zyp> got a free moment waiting for a git fetch to complete, fetching from a slow server
2012-08-09T16:46:10 < zyp> :p
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2012-08-09T17:21:42 < Thorn> http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2012/08/09/why-the-un-is-trying-to-take-over-the-internet/
2012-08-09T17:53:34 <+Steffanx> Humans ....
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2012-08-09T19:01:01 < jpa-> does someone know how to get signal from io pin to COMP1 on stm32l151?
2012-08-09T19:01:12 < jpa-> the "routing interface" is quite complex
2012-08-09T19:04:47 < jpa-> ah, found it in the datasheet
2012-08-09T19:25:29 < jpa-> gah.. i bet the person who designed this said: "Let's have two comparators: one is retarted, and the other can only be connected to some of the pins. Also, let's make it possible to join them, but only in a way that retains the bad sides of both!"
2012-08-09T19:29:14 <+Steffanx> Yeah, sure
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2012-08-09T19:40:03 < dongs> jpa-: LOL.
2012-08-09T19:40:18 < dongs> jpa-: one of the reasons I gave up on L151 for motor control
2012-08-09T19:40:25 < dongs> it has comparators but you cant actualyl route them properly!
2012-08-09T19:40:38 < dongs> like you cant have one center tap and 3 compares or someshit
2012-08-09T19:40:43 < dongs> i remember looking it over and it looked retarded
2012-08-09T19:40:59 <+Steffanx> What about F3?
2012-08-09T19:41:13 < dongs> does f3 have comparator?
2012-08-09T19:41:17 < karlp> it's interesting look as they imrpove the periphs in each generation
2012-08-09T19:41:18 < dongs> how can it while being pin compatible?
2012-08-09T19:41:30 < dongs> just assign to analog pins?
2012-08-09T19:41:54 < zyp> pin compatible doesn't mean they can't add new functions
2012-08-09T19:41:59 < dongs> ok.
2012-08-09T19:42:34 <+dekar> are AVR fuses permanently gone once blown?
2012-08-09T19:42:39 <+Steffanx> no
2012-08-09T19:43:10 <+dekar> okay, I flashed some attiny45 using my buspirate today and was wondering
2012-08-09T19:43:24 <+dekar> I love the buspirate btw
2012-08-09T19:43:39 <+Steffanx> which version you have?
2012-08-09T19:43:40 <+Steffanx> 4?
2012-08-09T19:43:55 <+dekar> 3 I think
2012-08-09T19:44:35 < dongs> dekar: you can change them
2012-08-09T19:44:43 < dongs> unless you fuck up and set no SPI or no reset fuse etc.
2012-08-09T19:44:48 < dongs> or wrong crystal choice...
2012-08-09T19:44:56 < dongs> then you need to connect hvpp shit.
2012-08-09T19:45:01 < dongs> avr is so fucking retarded.
2012-08-09T19:45:54 <+dekar> I think I set the no-reset one
2012-08-09T19:46:02 < karlp> that's a bad one.
2012-08-09T19:46:20 < karlp> you've got to realllllly want that last io pin to set that fuse
2012-08-09T19:46:26 <+dekar> I needed the reset pin for i2c
2012-08-09T19:46:44 <+Steffanx> How you're screwed :P
2012-08-09T19:46:48 <+Steffanx> *now
2012-08-09T19:46:58 < dongs> you better hope your shit is bugfree.
2012-08-09T19:47:16 <+dekar> it was some precompiled firmware so I guess it it
2012-08-09T19:47:18 <+dekar> *it is
2012-08-09T19:47:22 < dongs> oh.
2012-08-09T19:47:54 <+dekar> building a few of those: http://www.harbaum.org/till/i2c_tiny_usb/index.shtml
2012-08-09T19:47:58 <+Steffanx> Why you need that pin for i2c?
2012-08-09T19:48:26 <+dekar> Steffanx, cause there were no others left, it only has like 4 GPIO pins
2012-08-09T19:48:31 <+dekar> 2 for usb, and 2 for i2c
2012-08-09T19:48:36 <+Steffanx> Yes i know, but sw i2c?
2012-08-09T19:48:52 < zyp> and sw usb :p
2012-08-09T19:49:01 <+dekar> yeah both sw :)
2012-08-09T19:49:25 <+Steffanx> I'm glad i never used that, v-usb/other sw usb implementation
2012-08-09T19:50:07 <+dekar> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28467113/IMAG0125.jpg
2012-08-09T19:50:14 <+dekar> any idea what corrupted the last bit?
2012-08-09T19:50:23 <+Steffanx> oldskool scope
2012-08-09T19:50:35 <+dekar> I wonder whether that's caused by the zener diodes
2012-08-09T19:50:59 <+dekar> Steffanx, it works
2012-08-09T19:51:12 <+dekar> also does 500mhz
2012-08-09T19:51:13 <+Steffanx> I didn't say anything about THAT
2012-08-09T19:52:07 <+dekar> somehow I get USB errors plugging the tiny in :/
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2012-08-09T19:52:41 <+dekar> and the differential signal looks wrong for the last bit
2012-08-09T19:53:08 < jpa-> dekar: what is the top signal?
2012-08-09T19:53:20 <+dekar> jpa-, the difference between D+ and D-
2012-08-09T19:53:24 < jpa-> it's normal that USB packet is terminated in non-differential 0
2012-08-09T19:53:37 < zyp> yes
2012-08-09T19:53:38 <+dekar> oh is it? I didn't know that
2012-08-09T19:53:47 < zyp> usb have four bus states
2012-08-09T19:54:21 < zyp> the differential ones are called J and K, and then you have SE0 and SE1
2012-08-09T19:54:38 < jpa-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Signaling
2012-08-09T19:54:40 < zyp> and packets are terminated by SE0
2012-08-09T19:55:14 <+dekar> thanks, so that doesn't seem to be the problem then
2012-08-09T20:03:58 < zyp> hmm, your trace shows a SOF packet :p
2012-08-09T20:04:09 < dongs> wth is that
2012-08-09T20:04:10 < dongs> usb?
2012-08-09T20:04:13 < zyp> yes
2012-08-09T20:04:19 < dongs> how the fuck can you tell just by looking
2012-08-09T20:04:50 < dongs> how the fuck does zyp walk upright with that big brain of his
2012-08-09T20:05:08 < zyp> the PID field reads 0101, and I looked it up - it's SOF
2012-08-09T20:05:52 < zyp> anyway, SOF is sent by the host, so that doesn't really indicate that the AVR is doing anything
2012-08-09T20:08:18 < zyp> the only thing the host needs to detect presence of a device is the pullup on one of the data lines, and as soon as it can see that it will start spewing a lot of activity on the bus
2012-08-09T20:08:52 <+Steffanx> Time to get an uc with proper usb peripheral dekar :P
2012-08-09T20:09:04 <+Steffanx> -n
2012-08-09T20:09:10 <+dekar> that's why windows tried to install drivers from screwdrivers plugged into the USB bus! :D
2012-08-09T20:09:43 < zyp> would it really?
2012-08-09T20:09:51 <+dekar> a co-worker told me it would
2012-08-09T20:10:01 <+Steffanx> Never believe co-workers
2012-08-09T20:10:04 <+dekar> hehe
2012-08-09T20:10:10 < Thorn> how can it do that without knowing vid/pid first?
2012-08-09T20:10:12 <+Steffanx> Especially with stories like that
2012-08-09T20:10:21 < zyp> Thorn, exactly
2012-08-09T20:10:22 < Thorn> it needs to pull the descriptor for that
2012-08-09T20:10:37 <+Steffanx> it IS windows .. :P
2012-08-09T20:10:59 <+Steffanx> An OS that surprises you over and over again
2012-08-09T20:11:11 < Thorn> ("the descriptor" isn't really correct, is it. "a shitload of descriptors" is better)
2012-08-09T20:12:49 < zyp> you don't need «a shitload of descriptors» to use usb
2012-08-09T20:13:17 < zyp> it will enumerate fine with only a device descriptor
2012-08-09T20:13:47 <+dekar> I get some "device not accepting address" in dmesg
2012-08-09T20:14:12 < zyp> yep
2012-08-09T20:14:19 <+dekar> would I get that as well if the attiny did nothing?
2012-08-09T20:14:27 < karlp> I used one of those tiny usb devices for a while, I regularly had problems with it,
2012-08-09T20:14:33 < zyp> dekar, I believe so
2012-08-09T20:15:02 < zyp> first the host will try reading the start of the device descriptor, and then it will assign the device an address
2012-08-09T20:15:50 < zyp> the host probably tries assigning an addr even if reading the descriptor fails, to cope with quirky devices
2012-08-09T20:16:12 < Thorn> why this address, it it used anywhere?
2012-08-09T20:16:47 < zyp> Thorn, every unit on an USB bus needs to have an address
2012-08-09T20:18:46 < Thorn> do usb hubs do routing or something based on this address?
2012-08-09T20:19:01 < zyp> no, hubs are just hubs
2012-08-09T20:20:47 < zyp> I'm not sure about the magic to handle different speeds, but other than that, they propagate the same traffic to all ports
2012-08-09T20:21:18 < karlp> they do?
2012-08-09T20:21:23 < zyp> yep
2012-08-09T20:21:51 < Thorn> so devices need to do packet filtering like ethernet interfaces do?
2012-08-09T20:22:07 < zyp> surprised me as well when I was using a USB analyzer downstream of the same hub that the st-link was plugged into, picked up st-link traffic as well
2012-08-09T20:22:10 < zyp> Thorn, yes
2012-08-09T20:23:51 < karlp> huh, today's full of learning
2012-08-09T20:24:26 <+dekar> for me too, thanks a lot for the lesson :)
2012-08-09T20:26:42 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ruxN0.png <- found a screenshot from when I was working on enumeration
2012-08-09T20:26:50 < zyp> note the addr sent in the Dev column
2012-08-09T20:27:30 < zyp> device responds correctly to the first two commands, but I hadn't implemented address changing yet
2012-08-09T20:28:38 < Thorn> I need a usb analyzer
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2012-08-09T20:29:41 < zyp> I need to borrow one again, I'm thinking about working a bit on the usb code during the weekend
2012-08-09T20:31:18 < Thorn> why nobody sells cheap usb analyzers or adds usb support to cheap logic analyzers such as OLS or saleae?
2012-08-09T20:32:06 < Thorn> even if no HS support
2012-08-09T20:33:21 < zyp> isn't the LS/FS beagle rather affordable?
2012-08-09T20:34:44 < zyp> hmm, $475
2012-08-09T20:35:37 < Thorn> while that's not actually more than the price of my scope, it's quite close
2012-08-09T20:36:22 < zyp> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bushing/openvizsla-open-source-usb-protocol-analyzer <- reminds me that I actually pledged for this, wonder when it'll show up :p
2012-08-09T20:36:44 < dongs> haha
2012-08-09T20:36:49 < dongs> someone linked to that a few days ago
2012-08-09T20:36:54 < dongs> i thin kzippe
2012-08-09T20:38:05 < Thorn> >1.5 years with no update?
2012-08-09T20:38:29 < zyp> they had an update a month ago or something like that
2012-08-09T20:42:07 < dongs> wait waht the uck
2012-08-09T20:42:08 < dongs> 81k
2012-08-09T20:42:12 < dongs> did that fag deliver anything yet
2012-08-09T20:42:25 < zyp> I haven't received anything :p
2012-08-09T20:42:40 < Thorn> brb kickstarter
2012-08-09T20:43:02 < Thorn> it's legal not to deliver anything, is it?
2012-08-09T20:45:25 <+dekar> that one has USB 1.1, for 300usd http://www.amazon.com/Zeroplus-LAP-C-16128-Logic-Analyzer/dp/B002NBYRLM
2012-08-09T20:47:32 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewWhc2gw6rg
2012-08-09T20:47:34 < Laurenceb> pmsl
2012-08-09T20:47:41 < zyp> by the way, if you're using linux you can use wireshark to capture usb traffic on host ports without any special hardware
2012-08-09T20:48:48 <+dekar> nice, does that work for low level stuff as well? Like for the case where the slave doesn't respond?
2012-08-09T20:49:28 < zyp> I imagine you'll see the control requests going out but no response coming back
2012-08-09T20:50:56 <+Steffanx> openviszla .. 18 months ago
2012-08-09T20:50:57 <+Steffanx> LOLOL
2012-08-09T20:51:03 <+Steffanx> Look dongs .. that's what you should too
2012-08-09T20:52:19 <+dekar> how about making an USB RGB LED that blinks and then charge 30usd for that?
2012-08-09T20:52:28 <+dekar> oh wait it already exists: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thingm/blink1-the-usb-rgb-led
2012-08-09T20:54:08 <+Steffanx> wtf .. what a bullshit
2012-08-09T20:54:22 <+Steffanx> And it's way too large
2012-08-09T20:54:50 <+dekar> they got over $100k
2012-08-09T20:54:50 < zyp> which mcu is it based on?
2012-08-09T20:55:07 < Thorn> who cares
2012-08-09T20:55:14 <+dekar> attiny45 could do it
2012-08-09T20:55:16 < Thorn> they could do their own asic
2012-08-09T20:55:22 < Thorn> with this money
2012-08-09T20:55:27 <+dekar> yeah lol
2012-08-09T20:55:32 < zyp> dekar, that's why I'm asking
2012-08-09T20:55:59 <+dekar> their profit margin is insane
2012-08-09T20:56:15 < zyp> you could skip the casing and let the pcb be the plug itself, slap on the led, an attiny45 and some resistors for pretty much nothing
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2012-08-09T20:56:59 <+Steffanx> If you make something like that, make it as small as those tiny bluetooth dongles
2012-08-09T20:57:12 <+dekar> yeah I like their size
2012-08-09T20:57:13 < zyp> so small you don't even see the led? :p
2012-08-09T20:57:31 <+Steffanx> Nah, bright led and problem is sovled
2012-08-09T20:58:51 < zyp> oh wait, looks like it's actually using attiny45
2012-08-09T20:58:58 < zyp> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7266/7687928534_94f14b93fc.jpg
2012-08-09T20:59:48 <+dekar> isn't there a tiny in a smaller footprint?
2012-08-09T21:00:00 <+Steffanx> there is
2012-08-09T21:00:10 <+Steffanx> but .. noooooooo no attiny45
2012-08-09T21:00:18 < feurig> agreed
2012-08-09T21:00:31 <+Steffanx> "can be programmed with the Arduino IDE."
2012-08-09T21:00:32 < feurig> nooooooooo
2012-08-09T21:00:43 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb, get one.. get one!
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2012-08-09T21:01:58 < karlp> without the casing it's geek only though
2012-08-09T21:02:08 < karlp> the casing gives it the soft glow and is what makes it reasonably appealing
2012-08-09T21:03:01 < Thorn> >turn the blink(1) into a USB keyboard and mouse emulator
2012-08-09T21:03:04 < Thorn> wat
2012-08-09T21:03:40 <+Steffanx> And it's too large to have it permentately in your usb port
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2012-08-09T21:05:34 < karlp> says who?
2012-08-09T21:05:37 < karlp> some ports, sure :)
2012-08-09T21:05:47 < karlp> doesn't stop allthe usb flash drives from selling
2012-08-09T21:05:58 <+Steffanx> True, but still
2012-08-09T21:06:29 < Thorn> usb flash drive + laptop = *CRACK*
2012-08-09T21:06:34 <+Steffanx> but this is some kinds of gadget that should be connected 24/7
2012-08-09T21:06:42 <+Steffanx> and perhaps is easy to forget to remove
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2012-08-09T21:42:34 <+Steffanx> Your pc needs that short nap dekar ?
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2012-08-09T22:43:45 < feurig> is there a simple code sample for estimating how much free memory is avaliable
2012-08-09T22:44:16 < feurig> (on the stm32 using gcc)
2012-08-09T22:45:00 < jpa-> arm-none-eabi-size -t foo.elf   gives you the static memory usage
2012-08-09T22:45:03 < zyp> depends on what linker script and startup code and stuff you are using
2012-08-09T22:45:13 < jpa-> getting stats on dynamic memory usage depends on your malloc implementation
2012-08-09T22:46:19 < zyp> if you are using newlib, it depends on the sbrk implementation
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2012-08-09T23:27:14 < zyp> speaking of openvizsla, a new update just dumped into my mailbox
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2012-08-09T23:28:16 <+Steffanx> Whoa
2012-08-09T23:28:36 < zyp> with pictures of pcbs
2012-08-09T23:28:49 <+Steffanx> they updated their kickstarter page too
2012-08-09T23:28:58 <+Steffanx> the update tab
2012-08-09T23:29:20 < zyp> yes, that's the same
2012-08-09T23:29:54 <+Steffanx> Weird they talk about "We've been a bit behind as we've been very busy with our day jobs"
2012-08-09T23:30:04 <+Steffanx> day jobs .. where is the 80k used for?
2012-08-09T23:34:59 < zyp> consider that those 80k need to cover parts and assembly for all the ordered units
2012-08-09T23:37:08 <+Steffanx> That's not what the 80k only covers
2012-08-09T23:37:41 <+Steffanx> And if it does.. 18 month is way too long
2012-08-09T23:37:59 <+Steffanx> Don't start a ks project when you can do it in a reasonable time imho
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2012-08-09T23:58:30 < LeelooMinai> I have general question: what do people her use to develop on stm32 in terms of free IDE? (Windows 7 x64 as my main desktop)  Just trying to get a sense, before I go with something that will make me regret it in the future.
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2012-08-10T00:00:18 < karlp> I use netbeans.
2012-08-10T00:01:06 < LeelooMinai> Netbeans + some free toolchain?
2012-08-10T00:01:38 < karlp> arm gcc from launchpad
2012-08-10T00:01:52 < karlp> plus texane/stlink.
2012-08-10T00:10:44 < feurig> jpa-: run time
2012-08-10T00:16:38 < Tectu> karlp, last time i looked, there was no C/C++ plugin downloadable for netbeans, because their link was broken :D
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2012-08-10T00:17:53  * karlp shrugs
2012-08-10T00:18:02 < karlp> I'm not currently trying to install it. ;)
2012-08-10T00:18:33 < Tectu> karlp, that was the only reason which hold me back from using it
2012-08-10T00:18:48 < Tectu> karlp, anyways, not much people use it. are you happy with it? is it "better" than eclipse?
2012-08-10T00:18:59 < karlp> I find it simpler cleaner and faster.
2012-08-10T00:19:04 < zyp> IDE this, IDE that :)
2012-08-10T00:19:27 < karlp> I actually started using netbeans because it had python support as well as c/c++
2012-08-10T00:19:39 < Tectu> zyp, this is my "IDE" ;-)   http://i.imgur.com/uhjJJ.png
2012-08-10T00:19:44 < karlp> netbeans has now dropped python, and isn't doing a good job of looking after C (thanks for nothing oracle)
2012-08-10T00:20:01 < karlp> so I'm fairly open to alternatives, but eclipse isn't cutting it for me yet.
2012-08-10T00:20:09 < karlp> and I go back and try it out again every now and again
2012-08-10T00:21:07 < zyp> Tectu, yeah, isn't that integrated enough?
2012-08-10T00:21:30 < Tectu> zyp, a little bit too much for my taste ;-)
2012-08-10T00:21:37 < karlp> Tectu: what are those tests running on the right?
2012-08-10T00:21:59 < Tectu> karlp, that were a few of my first steps with ChibiOS and that is the benchmark output of chibiOS
2012-08-10T00:22:11 < Tectu> it does provide a benchmark with a nice output, as you can see ;-)
2012-08-10T00:22:29 < zyp> did you write them, or did they come with chibios?
2012-08-10T00:22:32 < karlp> can you write your own tests?
2012-08-10T00:22:47 < DLPeterson> Can anybody here give me a bit of guidance on implementing a timer interrupt handler which must process multiple input capture and update events?
2012-08-10T00:23:02 < Tectu> zyp, also i have VLC integrated in my IDE ...   http://i.imgur.com/wjvdq.jpg
2012-08-10T00:23:10 < Tectu> they come with chibiOS
2012-08-10T00:23:29 < zyp> DLPeterson, just check the status flags in the interrupt handler
2012-08-10T00:23:38 < Tectu> you just call one function    TestThread()  and then it does a lot of tests / benchmarkes and outputs them through serial console
2012-08-10T00:23:45 < Tectu> and since my ChibiOS-LCD-Driver also over LCD ;-)
2012-08-10T00:24:09 < zyp> Tectu, is that for ruby on rails development? :p
2012-08-10T00:24:10 < DLPeterson> zyp, should I clear and process all of the ones that are in the SR?  i.e., if there is more than one set.
2012-08-10T00:24:24 < Tectu> zyp, lol!
2012-08-10T00:24:31 < Tectu> zyp, that's the movie  "Unstoppable"
2012-08-10T00:24:59 < Tectu> which i bought.
2012-08-10T00:25:03 < zyp> DLPeterson, do you have the reference manual open? are the interrupt status flags of type r_w1?
2012-08-10T00:25:40 < zyp> in that case, you read SR to a temporary variable, then write it back to clear the read flags
2012-08-10T00:25:55 < zyp> then you execute actions based on the flags set in the temp variable
2012-08-10T00:26:06 < DLPeterson> zyp, I have RM0008 open.  No they are rc_w0.
2012-08-10T00:26:37 < zyp> oh, ok
2012-08-10T00:26:50 < feurig> is there a simple code sample for estimating how much free memory is avaliable during run time
2012-08-10T00:26:51 < DLPeterson> zyp, where are those terms defined?
2012-08-10T00:26:56 < zyp> then read it and write them to 0 immediately after writing
2012-08-10T00:27:04 < zyp> in the beginning of the document
2012-08-10T00:27:28 < zyp> r_w0 is «write 0 to clear», r_w1 is «write 1 to clear»
2012-08-10T00:28:02 < Tectu> zyp, what does rc_w0 mean?  write 1 to clear and the c?
2012-08-10T00:28:03 < DLPeterson> zyp, Should I handle all the interrupts that are set in one single call to the handler, or just one at a time.  I seem to remember something about interrupts being pended.
2012-08-10T00:28:03 < zyp> the latter is preferable, because then you can write back the ones you just captured
2012-08-10T00:28:45 < zyp> DLPeterson, both is possible, handling all at once would be more efficient
2012-08-10T00:29:15 < feurig> like you can in avr-gcc by checking the location of a recently allocated variable against __bss_end or __brkval?
2012-08-10T00:29:29 < zyp> DLPeterson, http://cgit.jvnv.net/suzumebachi/tree/drivers/ppmsum.cpp <- here is how I do it
2012-08-10T00:30:01 < DLPeterson> zyp, ok.  Suppose 2 of the interrupt flags are set in the SR.  If I clear both and take appropriate action, will the handler still get called again since there were two interrupts?
2012-08-10T00:30:03 < zyp> feurig, as I said, it depends on your sbrk implementation
2012-08-10T00:30:34 < zyp> DLPeterson, no
2012-08-10T00:30:53 < zyp> DLPeterson, the handler will get called again as long as there is any active interrupt flags set
2012-08-10T00:30:55 < feurig> can you put that in c? and explain?
2012-08-10T00:30:58 < feurig> zyp:
2012-08-10T00:31:32 < feurig> I am using libmaple
2012-08-10T00:31:38 < zyp> feurig, sbrk() is a function, newlib is using that function to get memory for malloc(), it should maintain a variable equal to __brkval
2012-08-10T00:31:48 < zyp> find the implementation of sbrk() and find out what it calls that variable
2012-08-10T00:32:06 < zyp> I have no idea how libmaple's sbrk() looks
2012-08-10T00:32:28 < zyp> the equivalent of __bss_end is defined in the linker script
2012-08-10T00:32:40 < zyp> find the linker script and check there
2012-08-10T00:32:45 < DLPeterson> zyp, so your PPSum::irq() handler uses if (...) {...} else if (...) {...} else if(...) { ...}.  Doesn't this mean that if TIM1.SR had more than one of the flags set that you would still only process one of them?  And effectively ignore the others, since you are doing TIM1.SR=0;?
2012-08-10T00:32:57 < feurig> zyp: thanks.
2012-08-10T00:33:05 < zyp> DLPeterson, yes, but in my case they can't happen at the same time
2012-08-10T00:33:17 < DLPeterson> zyp, ok.
2012-08-10T00:34:05 < DLPeterson> zyp, I don't know if they can happen at the same time in my case, so do you advise making my control logic similar to yours but without the else?
2012-08-10T00:34:15 < zyp> one trigger on a rising edge while the other trigger on a falling edge of the same signal
2012-08-10T00:36:43 < zyp> the only difference of using else or not in my case is that if the first flag is set, it will return directly after instead of checking if the other flags are set
2012-08-10T00:37:50 < zyp> the code would work exactly the same without the else part, but it would take a few more instructions in most cases
2012-08-10T00:38:51 < zyp> I don't think I put that much thought into efficiency when I wrote it though :p
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2012-08-10T00:53:43 < DLPeterson> zyp, Thanks for the help.
2012-08-10T00:54:57 < Tectu> zyp, who's the admin of this channel?
2012-08-10T00:56:50 <+Steffanx> izua is the owner
2012-08-10T00:57:01 <+Steffanx> me and dekar have some 'power' too
2012-08-10T00:57:15 <+Steffanx> oh, my name isn't zyp, sorry :)
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2012-08-10T00:58:57 < Tectu> Steffanx, cool
2012-08-10T00:59:16 < Tectu> not sure if people are interested in mentioning #chibios since the channel exists to move chibios questions to there
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2012-08-10T01:00:22 < Tectu> I moved a few people from there to here, so let's move a few people from here to there as well :D
2012-08-10T01:00:34 <+Steffanx> hehe
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2012-08-10T01:06:44 <+Steffanx> And what do you expect Tectu ?
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2012-08-10T01:07:44 < Tectu> Steffanx, dunno, mentioning #chibios somewhere in the topic and i'll mention ##stm32 in #chibios topic so i don't have to write that 10 times each day
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2012-08-10T01:12:08 <+Steffanx> Isn't the topic here already way too long? :)
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2012-08-10T01:12:53 < Tectu> yeah, that's why you shall add it at the beginning, xD
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2012-08-10T01:25:01 < zyp> Steffanx, most of it is old shit that should be removed though :p
2012-08-10T01:27:22 < zyp> just like flyback
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2012-08-10T03:23:46 < dongs> sup bloggers
2012-08-10T03:24:21 < dongs> Tectu: but since chibios sucks, theres no point
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2012-08-10T05:15:49 < DLPeterson> dongs, do you use an RTOS; if so which one?
2012-08-10T05:17:16 < zippe> DLPeterson: dongs is above, or beneath most RTOS'
2012-08-10T05:17:45 < DLPeterson> zippe: I sort of gathered that from his comment :)
2012-08-10T05:17:53 < zippe> DLPeterson: others here have opinions too though… if you want them 8)
2012-08-10T05:18:32 < DLPeterson> zippe: sure, what do you think of RTOS, which ones have you tried, and which do you like/dislike the most?
2012-08-10T05:19:25 < zippe> I use several for different purposes
2012-08-10T05:19:28 < zippe> Tools for the job
2012-08-10T05:19:45 < zippe> Currently I'm doing a lot with NuttX
2012-08-10T05:19:56 < zippe> For small jobs I like scmRTOS
2012-08-10T05:20:42 < zippe> They're two ends of the spectrum, really.  scmRTOS is very tight, not a whole lot beyond the scheduler and messaging.
2012-08-10T05:21:07 < zippe> With NuttX sometimes you can forget and think you're on a Posix system
2012-08-10T05:21:16 < karlp> have you ever used contiki?
2012-08-10T05:21:37 < zippe> A little.  I had a lot of trouble with tools so I didn't get as much done as I'd like.
2012-08-10T05:21:58 < zippe> It's less an RTOS and more an operating system.
2012-08-10T05:22:26 < zippe> But at the same time it forces you to think a little more carefully, since it's co-operatively scheduled.
2012-08-10T05:22:46 < DLPeterson> scmRTOS looks interesting, I didn't even know there were RTOS's implemented entirely in C++
2012-08-10T05:22:47 < karlp> yeah, I was more thinking OS than RTOS,
2012-08-10T05:22:54 < karlp> I don't do much that needs the RT part.
2012-08-10T05:23:05 < karlp> but I'm interested in the ipv6 "magically it all works" stuff
2012-08-10T05:23:08 < zippe> DLPeterson: I am basically sold on embedded C++
2012-08-10T05:23:27 < zippe> DLPeterson: There are lots of pieces of C++ the language that I can do without
2012-08-10T05:23:44 < DLPeterson> zippe: Me too.  I'm using C++ for all my embedded application development.
2012-08-10T05:23:58 < zippe> But you get compiler support for a bunch of things that you'd otherwise be forced to do by hand.
2012-08-10T05:24:21 < DLPeterson> zippe: not any of the fancy stuff of course.  But classes and such are quite handy, and if you are smart about how you use them they don't add bloat.
2012-08-10T05:24:39 < zippe> Right.  Constructors for stack objects are also quite useful
2012-08-10T05:25:01 < zippe> I can't go anywhere without an interrupt-disable class these days. 8)
2012-08-10T05:25:12 < karlp> interrupt disable class?
2012-08-10T05:25:18 < karlp> what's that help you with?
2012-08-10T05:25:30 < DLPeterson> zippe: I've been using a bunch of singleton's for a lot of my classes, I guess that is similar to a constructor for a stack object, right?
2012-08-10T05:25:50 < zippe> karlp: you create a class whose constructor disables interrupts, and whose destructor enables them (or really, use a global interrupt disable count)
2012-08-10T05:25:58 < DLPeterson> zippe: Do you have code example's of the interrupt-disable class?
2012-08-10T05:26:13 < zippe> karlp: Then anytime you want interrupts disabled, you just declare an instance of the class.
2012-08-10T05:26:31 < zippe> karlp: Interrupts are immediately disabled, and they stay disabled until the object goes out of scope
2012-08-10T05:26:37 < zippe> karlp: sec, I'll dig one out
2012-08-10T05:26:38 < DLPeterson> zippe: ah, cool.  and when it goes out of scope it re-enables interrupts... so you can use scope blocks.
2012-08-10T05:26:46 < zippe> DLPeterson: exactly
2012-08-10T05:27:01 < DLPeterson> zippe: I think I've seen a thread locker class similar to that.
2012-08-10T05:27:08 < karlp> I guess a scope block and a special var is easier to follow than C's set/clear at the beginning and end of the sections?
2012-08-10T05:27:15 < zippe> then you can do things like measure how long you spend with interrupts off
2012-08-10T05:27:30 < DLPeterson> zippe: neat.
2012-08-10T05:27:31 < zippe> karlp: The advantage is that you can return out of the middle of the block and the compiler takes care of re-enabling interrupts
2012-08-10T05:27:37 < karlp> ahhh
2012-08-10T05:27:48 < zippe> karlp: it becomes impossible to mis-match interrupt-disable calls
2012-08-10T05:27:51 < karlp> so you don't have to worry about all the linux kernel goto stuff to help with cleanup.
2012-08-10T05:28:00 < zippe> karlp:  *exactly*
2012-08-10T05:28:06 < karlp> clever :)
2012-08-10T05:28:13 < zippe> karlp: it helps
2012-08-10T05:28:44 < DLPeterson> zippe: what is your typical use case for this class? Inside interrupt handlers?
2012-08-10T05:30:05 < zippe> DLPeterson: anytime you want to lock against interrupts / pre-emption
2012-08-10T05:30:19 < zippe> e.g. when messing with data that you share with interrupt context
2012-08-10T05:30:34 < zippe> I use lockless constructs when I can, but you can't always
2012-08-10T05:30:41 < zippe> Here's the class from scmRTOS
2012-08-10T05:30:41 < zippe> class TCritSect
2012-08-10T05:30:42 < zippe> {
2012-08-10T05:30:42 < zippe> public:
2012-08-10T05:30:42 < zippe>     TCritSect () : StatusReg( SREG ) { cli(); }
2012-08-10T05:30:42 < zippe>     ~TCritSect() { SREG = StatusReg; }
2012-08-10T05:30:42 < zippe>     //~TCritSect() { if( StatusReg & (1 << SREG_I)) sei(); }
2012-08-10T05:30:43 < zippe> private:
2012-08-10T05:30:43 < zippe>     status_reg_t StatusReg;
2012-08-10T05:30:44 < zippe> };
2012-08-10T05:31:04 < zippe> (that's AVR code)
2012-08-10T05:31:34 < zippe> No nesting or instrumentation there, but you get the idea
2012-08-10T05:31:49 < DLPeterson> zippe: cool.
2012-08-10T05:33:19 < zippe> Are you looking for anything in particular in a system, or just browsing?
2012-08-10T05:34:42 < DLPeterson> Well, at the moment I'm somewhat committed to ChibiOS, but I'm definitely curious about other options.
2012-08-10T05:35:01 < DLPeterson> Have you used ChibiOS?
2012-08-10T05:36:06 < karlp> is scmRTOS the public output of some company?
2012-08-10T05:36:46 < DLPeterson> I'm using the ChibiOS shell and it's SD card functionality and integration with FatFS.. it was relatively painless to get that part up and running, which was really nice and a big part of why I chose it.
2012-08-10T05:37:48 < DLPeterson> Also, the ChibiOS forum support has been really, really good.  And the documentation is good.  So for a rookie like me, these are all convincing reasons for me to use it.
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2012-08-10T05:50:04 < upgrdman> stm32f4 disco board: anyone know why they didn't debounce the blue pushbutton? the series resistor is there, but the cap was left off... wtf?
2012-08-10T05:52:17 < zippe> karlp: Not AFAIK
2012-08-10T05:52:37 < zippe> DLPeterson: I looked at it a while back; at the time it was basically a thread scheduler and some drivers
2012-08-10T05:52:41 < karlp> just curious, the team's all russian
2012-08-10T05:52:53 < karlp> upgrdman: probably just copied it all the way from 32VL disco?
2012-08-10T05:53:15 < zippe> karlp: Could be.  Their english is OK and I see they finally translated the v4 manual.
2012-08-10T05:53:37 < zippe> upgrdman: disco board was designed by interns, I think
2012-08-10T05:53:50 < dongs> chibios is commie? yet more reasons to not like it.
2012-08-10T05:53:59 < karlp> scmRTOS, not chibios dongs
2012-08-10T05:54:03 < dongs> ah
2012-08-10T05:54:12 < dongs> i heard that one too i think.
2012-08-10T05:55:26 < upgrdman> zippe, :)
2012-08-10T05:55:49 < upgrdman> well considering the price, i put up with it. but the docs... so much room for improvement
2012-08-10T05:56:12 < DLPeterson> zippe: can ask you an interrupt question?
2012-08-10T05:56:50 < zippe> Can I stop you? 8)
2012-08-10T05:56:54 < DLPeterson> :)
2012-08-10T05:57:50 < DLPeterson> If you are processing an interrupt and you've cleared the bits in the peripherals interrupt that triggered it, and then that same peripheral gets another interrupt, what happens?
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2012-08-10T05:58:21 < karlp> upgrdman: the docs say, "not fitted"
2012-08-10T05:58:25 < karlp> what more could you ask for?
2012-08-10T05:59:11 < upgrdman> karlp, not the docs for that, but in general. especially rm0090.
2012-08-10T05:59:19 < DLPeterson> is the handler going to finish, and then get called again, or something else?
2012-08-10T05:59:22 < karlp> man, nuttx page is full of typos...
2012-08-10T06:00:12 < karlp> Decentralized Isotropic Telecommunications for Billion Node Networks, and Social Networks
2012-08-10T06:00:19 < zippe> DLPeterson: Interrupts don't get interrupts.
2012-08-10T06:00:22 < karlp> more of the who hell comes up with that shit
2012-08-10T06:00:26 < zippe> Agh, Devices don't get interrupts
2012-08-10T06:00:49 < zippe> DLPeterson: But in general, if the device recognises an interrupting condition, it will re-assert the interrupt output
2012-08-10T06:00:59 < zippe> DLPeterson: Normally when you're servicing an interrupt, it remains masked
2012-08-10T06:01:20 < zippe> DLPeterson: So when you return from the interrupt and it's unmasked, you will immediately re-enter the interrupt handler
2012-08-10T06:01:42 < DLPeterson> zippe: ok.  That makes sense.
2012-08-10T06:02:46 < DLPeterson> I mean to say that the peripheral triggers another interrupt, whilst the CPU is in the middle of processing an interrupt from same peripheral.
2012-08-10T06:02:49 < DLPeterson> meant.
2012-08-10T06:03:01 < zippe> karlp: let Greg know if you find typos, he's pretty good about fixing stuff
2012-08-10T06:03:16 < zippe> DLPeterson: yeah, I thought that's what you meant, just being pedantic 8)
2012-08-10T06:03:36 < DLPeterson> zippe: it's good to be precise, thanks for keeping me in check.
2012-08-10T06:03:50 < zippe> It's kind of you to confuse pedantry with precision 8)
2012-08-10T06:07:19 < karlp> eh, how do I find an email for this greg character?
2012-08-10T06:07:27 < karlp> you've shamed me into doing something about the typos
2012-08-10T06:08:43 < karlp> right, so my mrf24j40 code now works properly with function pointers instead of being avr specific.
2012-08-10T06:08:51 < karlp> now I can try and merge the stm32 and avr blobs
2012-08-10T06:09:12 < karlp> we're getting somewhere, even if using function poitners adds 15-20% code space to the sample project
2012-08-10T06:12:22 < zippe> karlp: gnutt@nx-engineering.com
2012-08-10T06:23:49 < karlp> alright. done.
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2012-08-10T08:19:46 < cjbaird>  
2012-08-10T08:50:57 < cjbaird> Tonight on Mythbusters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hvlG2JtMts
2012-08-10T08:51:27 < cjbaird> (gud buts at 2:00 and 6:16)
2012-08-10T08:51:30 < cjbaird> *bits
2012-08-10T09:34:17 < dongs> funny level: american tv
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2012-08-10T10:59:59 < dongs> tectu is trying to troll me in privmsg
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2012-08-10T11:48:40 < Tectu> dongs, how are you?
2012-08-10T11:53:36 < cjbaird> Something I learnt today: make -V '${VAR}' reveals what the current environment is assuming about any build-related variables (CFLAGS, etc.) .. It can be the case that you have intentional unset things in your env, but defaults are being pulled in from /usr/share ...
2012-08-10T11:55:22 < cjbaird> Here on NetBSD, CFLAGS gets defaulted to '-O2'..
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2012-08-10T12:06:05 < karlp> that's what you get for using netbsd? ;)
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2012-08-10T12:20:06 < Thorn> is netbsd still alive?
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2012-08-10T12:24:51 < karlp> greybeards are everwhere
2012-08-10T12:25:50 < cjbaird> The only people who use it are its developers...
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2012-08-10T12:26:16 < Laurenceb__> and the CIA
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2012-08-10T12:47:58 < cjbaird> Bil Herd on the design of the 'work of art' C116 .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPD5N43VIsk .. Lesson of the Day: adding a 555 reset circuit can get you fired.
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2012-08-10T12:57:16 < cjbaird> lol-- he tested that an RFI issue was solved by making a 20ft joystick cable and wrapping it around the yoke of a CRT. :)
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2012-08-10T13:05:33 <+Steffanx> No that guy is cursed cjbaird
2012-08-10T13:05:43 <+Steffanx> That Bil Herd guy
2012-08-10T13:06:01 <+Steffanx> He talks about ARDONGSO!
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2012-08-10T13:23:13 < cjbaird> He's doubly-cursed for having anything to do with Jeri 'make men take the fall for all my failed businesses!' Ellsw*rth...
2012-08-10T13:23:59 <+Steffanx> You don't like her?
2012-08-10T13:25:31 < cjbaird> Nah. Fanboys have grossly exaggerated her abilities for the past 10 years.. to the detriment of other people/projects. "DON'T DO YOUR C64 FPGA! JERI IS MAKIN THE C=1 !!!!"
2012-08-10T13:26:57 < cjbaird> Turns out, the C64 softcore she'd claimed was never actually written ("..but you showed of a working demo, Jeri?"), the c64dtv and c=1 had to hire people to complete the work.
2012-08-10T13:27:18 <+Steffanx> If she was from Aussieland i would've said you knew/know here in person :P
2012-08-10T13:27:57 < cjbaird> And when she got involved with the Maker[tm] scene, she was 'blogging' just other people's stuff as her own. (Fire-breather Furby, homebrew silicon fab, etc.)
2012-08-10T13:40:41 < dongs> lawl
2012-08-10T13:40:42 < dongs> really
2012-08-10T13:40:47 < dongs> i knew that bitch was just a fat poser
2012-08-10T13:43:20 <+Steffanx> And  you believe what a random guy on the web says, dongs ?
2012-08-10T13:43:38 < dongs> i'd rather believe something that makes sense
2012-08-10T13:44:11 <+Steffanx> It makes sense, but that doesn't mean it's the truth
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2012-08-10T13:54:13 < cjbaird> You can always hit up Google Groups' archive of comp.sys.cbm from 2000-2005, and see the 5 years of B.S from Jeri...
2012-08-10T13:54:50 <+Steffanx> Sounds like a waste of time
2012-08-10T13:58:46 < dongs> cjbaird: moar info on faking sillycoon fab
2012-08-10T13:59:11 < dongs> cause all the nerds i know had their dicks ready to enter her mouth after that one
2012-08-10T14:02:40 < cjbaird> (been trying to google the actual magazine issue) Scientific American had kitchen-oven transistor making as a Recreations article.
2012-08-10T14:03:33 < cjbaird> I read it around 1990, but I suspect the mag was already a few years old. But certainly still in the time of its high of popularity with the Computer Recreations column.
2012-08-10T14:05:07 < cjbaird> Huh, June 1970, so quite a bit older: http://www.1010.co.uk/materials.html
2012-08-10T14:05:38 < cjbaird> "Anyone" to checked up SciAm for the 'Conway's Life' articles would've seen it.
2012-08-10T14:05:51 < cjbaird> (..which was the case for me :)
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2012-08-10T14:20:09 < dongs> cjbaird: its not like baking your own transsitors is useful, or even practical, or even educational.
2012-08-10T14:20:16 < dongs> just pure attention whoring.
2012-08-10T14:20:21 < dongs> wanna be front page of makezine.
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2012-08-10T14:23:33 < Laurenceb> Bre Pettis from makezine was over in #highaltitude ages ago
2012-08-10T14:23:44 < Laurenceb> launching a balloon
2012-08-10T14:24:02 < Laurenceb> it died within a few feet of the ground and was never seen again
2012-08-10T14:24:32 < dongs> Laurenceb: http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/professional-iphone-photographer--take-pics-of-staff-members-website-events-food-photography/108371830 is this your ad
2012-08-10T14:25:33 < Laurenceb> cropping pictures at different sizes, add text on images
2012-08-10T14:25:34 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-10T14:25:40 < dongs> i kno rite
2012-08-10T14:25:45 < Laurenceb> PS. I dont do model photoshoots and lingerie shoots
2012-08-10T14:25:47 < Laurenceb> wuttt
2012-08-10T14:25:51 < dongs> must be a fag
2012-08-10T14:25:53 < Laurenceb> why the hell not
2012-08-10T14:25:56 < dongs> though fitting
2012-08-10T14:25:56 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-10T14:25:59 < dongs> considering he owns apple hardware
2012-08-10T14:31:28 < cjbaird> lol the SciAm magazine: http://backissues.com/issue/Scientific-American-June-1970  (I think this is one of the issues I stole from the library.. :P oops, public channel again)
2012-08-10T14:36:39 < dongs> so what do you get for $7
2012-08-10T14:36:41 < dongs> paper?
2012-08-10T14:36:42 < dongs> or scan
2012-08-10T14:38:23 < cjbaird> That site seems to deal with hardcopies. You can sell magazines to them as well.
2012-08-10T14:38:31 < zyp> scam
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2012-08-10T15:08:14 < dongs> troiling
2012-08-10T15:08:16 < dongs> so zyp
2012-08-10T15:08:23 < dongs> shit like mag etc has separate vcc/vccio shits
2012-08-10T15:08:39 < dongs> if the voltages are same, just coming f rom different reg does it still make sense to separate them?
2012-08-10T15:08:47 < dongs> cause there be noise and shit?
2012-08-10T15:09:16 < zyp> dunno, maybe
2012-08-10T15:09:25 < dongs> would you?
2012-08-10T15:10:07 < zyp> I haven't on the boards I've made so far
2012-08-10T15:10:21 < dongs> right, but you ran sensors and the rest of the shit off same vreg
2012-08-10T15:10:43 < zyp> yep, and I'm not sure that was a good choice
2012-08-10T15:14:25 < dongs> did oracle buy orcad or somethign
2012-08-10T15:14:38 < dongs> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/apps-tech/autovue/orcad-viewer-097059.html?gclid=CI2t-fqgxakCFUka6wodW3ztKw
2012-08-10T15:36:54 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-DyYiTTq4Y in soviet russia
2012-08-10T15:44:04 < barthess> russia is not soviet from 1986
2012-08-10T15:46:19 < Laurenceb> orgycad
2012-08-10T15:46:55 <+Steffanx> ok laurduino
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2012-08-10T15:52:41 < dongs> touchin dem dix
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2012-08-10T15:58:43 < cjbaird> I'd love to have one of those on Fraser Island.. (all-sand island off the coast of Queensland-- a 4WD Bogan Mecca.. Tards are always killing themselves by racing on the beach illegally)
2012-08-10T16:00:41 < dongs> is imgur upload functionality down for you
2012-08-10T16:01:16 <+Steffanx> You want me to test?
2012-08-10T16:01:33 < dongs> yeah
2012-08-10T16:01:37 < dongs> shit's just timing out at 100%
2012-08-10T16:01:38 < dongs> doing ntohing
2012-08-10T16:01:39 < dongs> FUck
2012-08-10T16:01:44 < dongs> useless fucking javascript shite
2012-08-10T16:02:24 < cjbaird> Working here: http://i.imgur.com/iLOqQ.jpg
2012-08-10T16:02:27 <+Steffanx> 100% and still loading
2012-08-10T16:02:43 <+Steffanx> *uploading
2012-08-10T16:02:50 <+Steffanx> So i guess it failed
2012-08-10T16:03:03 < cjbaird> I was always getting that with Firefox. The upload then was with seamonkey.
2012-08-10T16:04:27 < dongs> im using chrome and its failing.
2012-08-10T16:04:31 <+Steffanx> Yep
2012-08-10T16:04:38 < dongs> gonna do wiht ie6
2012-08-10T16:04:49 < dongs> my only other browser
2012-08-10T16:04:59 <+Steffanx> oh no
2012-08-10T16:05:00 <+Steffanx> http://imgur.com/1QpkZ
2012-08-10T16:05:01 < dongs> worked in ie
2012-08-10T16:05:03 <+Steffanx> it didn't fail
2012-08-10T16:05:04 < dongs> worhtless garbage
2012-08-10T16:05:08 < dongs> imgur = shitheap
2012-08-10T16:07:21 < cjbaird> javascript = shit
2012-08-10T16:07:40 <+Steffanx> Blablablabla
2012-08-10T16:07:57 <+Steffanx> Says the one who still uses perl for everything? :P
2012-08-10T16:09:57 < karlp> shush, javascript is easily deployable, available everwhere
2012-08-10T16:10:01 < karlp> it'ðs kinda like perl4.
2012-08-10T16:10:10 < karlp> awesome, but capable of doing atrociously bad things
2012-08-10T16:10:54 < cjbaird> Earth or Mars? :) .. http://i.imgur.com/U9snz.jpg
2012-08-10T16:10:57 <+Steffanx> We have this javascript clock/snow/whatever following your mouse-years far behind us. Some people are still afraid of JS :P
2012-08-10T16:12:07 <+Steffanx> Earth cjbaird
2012-08-10T16:12:26 <+Steffanx> Throw the image in google image search and you'll find many many similar images :P
2012-08-10T16:14:12 < cjbaird> It's a road to a camp I made at the Henbury Meteorite field in Central Australia..
2012-08-10T16:14:59 <+Steffanx> Go back and try to find that vehicle
2012-08-10T16:16:26 < Thorn> http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/08/smart-fingertips-pave-way-for-vi.html?ref=hp
2012-08-10T16:16:42 < dongs> vi?
2012-08-10T16:16:45 < dongs> emacs?
2012-08-10T16:17:17 < cjbaird> edlin
2012-08-10T16:17:32 < Thorn> I wonder how soon will smart dongtips follow
2012-08-10T16:18:14 <+Steffanx> For hopeless dongs ..?
2012-08-10T16:18:25 < Thorn> (any volunteers for alpha testing?)
2012-08-10T16:18:37 <+Steffanx> You came up with the idea
2012-08-10T16:19:08 < cjbaird> $39.99/yr subscription for dongsPro
2012-08-10T16:19:30 <+Steffanx> Hmm, internet connected dongtips .. no thanks
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2012-08-10T16:20:14 <+Steffanx> We have to redefine STD :P
2012-08-10T16:21:01 < Thorn> there's already a video chat site where models use equipment remotely operated by clients
2012-08-10T16:21:28 < dongs> how would you know this
2012-08-10T16:21:36 < dongs> looking through Laurenceb bookmarks again?
2012-08-10T16:21:42 < Thorn> we may be witnessing a beginning of a revolution
2012-08-10T16:21:54 <+Steffanx> It's powered by a laurduino
2012-08-10T16:22:27 <+Steffanx> Ethernet shield, relay/fet shield and you're done :P
2012-08-10T16:22:39 <+Steffanx> Or perhaps some motor control shield
2012-08-10T16:22:50 < Thorn> the project is unfortunately not opensource afaik
2012-08-10T16:22:57 <+Steffanx> kickstarter!
2012-08-10T16:23:19 < Thorn> Teledongs inc.
2012-08-10T16:23:29 <+Steffanx> The perfect kickstarter project for dongs
2012-08-10T16:24:40 < Thorn> "Too much into technology? Let technology help!"
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2012-08-10T16:31:40 < dongs> anyhow
2012-08-10T16:46:17 <+Steffanx> ...
2012-08-10T17:14:35 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/l46Gt.jpg
2012-08-10T17:14:52 < dongs> looks hardcore.
2012-08-10T17:15:04 < dongs> pres butan, release aids gas
2012-08-10T17:15:09 < Laurenceb> heh
2012-08-10T17:15:56 < Laurenceb> its a solenoid on an arm
2012-08-10T17:16:28 < Laurenceb> for teledildonics
2012-08-10T17:18:34 < Laurenceb> or actually for testing pressure cuffs without someones arm present
2012-08-10T17:18:50 < Laurenceb> - manufacturing test rig
2012-08-10T17:27:43 < dongs> Bond Wireless also holds patents for its SMS Print technology that allows for the sending of an SMS from any Microsoft Windows-based application by pressing the Print button.
2012-08-10T17:28:46 < Thorn> cat /dev/mouse > /dev/dsp
2012-08-10T17:31:37 < Laurenceb> lawl
2012-08-10T17:31:56 < Laurenceb> linux scratching
2012-08-10T17:32:38 < cjbaird> I wonder what year they got that patent..
2012-08-10T17:33:55 < Thorn> why is it /dev/dsp and not e.g. /dev/dac btw?
2012-08-10T17:36:07 < karlp> because that would imply that what you're catting is voltages ready to go.
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2012-08-10T18:32:39 < Autism> help help girl i share an office with is crying
2012-08-10T18:32:44 < Autism> what 2 do
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2012-08-10T18:41:46 < dongs> rape her
2012-08-10T18:41:52 < Laurenceb> i know that
2012-08-10T18:42:02 < dongs> rhetorical question is rhetorical.
2012-08-10T18:42:07 < Laurenceb> but do i go to her house or what
2012-08-10T18:42:11 < dongs> no
2012-08-10T18:42:15 < dongs> just rape her right in the office.
2012-08-10T18:42:29 < Laurenceb> k
2012-08-10T18:42:34 < Laurenceb> thanx4help
2012-08-10T18:43:24 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA-G67BSb9Y
2012-08-10T18:44:37 < dongs> typical scenario
2012-08-10T19:26:13 < GargantuaSauce> show her your teledildonics rig
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2012-08-10T19:28:46 < toobro> These two people have continue to cause life threatening damage to woman, children, and the vulnerable " Dr Brian Neil Talarico" and "Dr David Kenneth Cochrane" Google them the government pays them to kill people for profit... Feel free to participate in bringing them to justice as you see fit ...
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2012-08-10T19:29:07 < Laurenceb> wtf
2012-08-10T19:29:38 < Laurenceb> not sure if troll or elaborate scam scheme
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2012-08-10T20:39:57 <+Steffanx> WTF laurduino .. what have you done to the girl?
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2012-08-10T21:24:48 < DLPeterson> Does anybody know if the 'reserved' bits of a register are guaranteed to be high or low?  I'm reading one of the capture compare register in a timer and it has the upper half word reserved.
2012-08-10T21:25:19 < DLPeterson> I'm wondering if I need to mask them out just to be certain, or if I can rely on them being low.
2012-08-10T21:27:04 <+Steffanx> They datasheets gives the reset values AND states you shouldn't change them
2012-08-10T21:28:05 <+Steffanx> it seems, after a quick scan, they're all 0
2012-08-10T21:28:45 <+Steffanx> */They/The
2012-08-10T21:33:41 < DLPeterson> Steffanx: it doesn't seem to give reset states for reserved areas of registers, unless I'm just am looking in the wrong place.  My guess is that they would be all 0 but I just wanted to know if that was guaranteed by hardware
2012-08-10T21:35:06 < Thorn> it pays to be paranoid. doing foo & 0x0F or whatever isn't difficult
2012-08-10T21:35:40 < Thorn> as a general rule
2012-08-10T21:35:42 <+Steffanx> Aren't you sure you don't modify them anyway?
2012-08-10T21:36:07 < DLPeterson> Thorn: yeah, that is what I was thinking.
2012-08-10T21:36:20 < DLPeterson> Steffanx: I don't modify them in my code, I only read them
2012-08-10T21:37:29 <+Steffanx> https://skitch.com/steffann/em983/a when i read that .. 0x0000 i would that's 16 bits, which also says the reserved area is all 0
2012-08-10T21:37:36 <+Steffanx> *would say
2012-08-10T21:38:21 <+Steffanx> I COULD be wrong though
2012-08-10T21:41:57 < zyp> on a general basis, reserved bits are not guaranteed to be anything, that's why they are reserved
2012-08-10T21:43:32 <+Steffanx> unless the ds states otherwise :P
2012-08-10T21:46:50 < zyp> for registers holding a single integral value that's smaller than the full 32 bits, it's usually safe to assume that the topmost bits always reads as 0
2012-08-10T21:47:05 < zyp> for instance the counter registers of 16-bit counters
2012-08-10T21:47:29 < zyp> 32-bit counters have the same registers, except the topmost part is no longer reserved
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2012-08-10T21:48:16 <+Steffanx> Also when the datasheets says the reset value is 0x0000 0000 when only the first bit is used?
2012-08-10T21:48:50 <+Steffanx> Anyway, it's a non-issue .. don't change them as the datasheet states
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2012-08-11T01:49:14 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXkf62qGFII
2012-08-11T02:04:06 <+Steffanx> nice Thorn
2012-08-11T02:05:07 <+Steffanx> me wants that
2012-08-11T02:05:10 < Thorn> dongs must have already seen it, looking at the top comment
2012-08-11T02:05:21 <+Steffanx> Yeah
2012-08-11T02:05:31 <+Steffanx> but we don't need that anymore
2012-08-11T02:05:37 <+Steffanx> we have that what you posted before
2012-08-11T02:06:04 < Laurenceb__> MisterPikol is a kinky guy
2012-08-11T02:07:58 <+Steffanx> Uh what are you up to Laurenceb__ ?
2012-08-11T02:08:28 <+Steffanx> Oh, you read comments
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2012-08-11T03:04:24 < cjbaird> Loved the recent story about the Mac-using blogger who got throughly dissed-on by a 80 year old dude.
2012-08-11T03:12:53 < dongs> > mac using blogger
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2012-08-11T06:49:03 < cjbaird> Ha-- I just soldered all the leftover lengths of solder I'd had in the box, and made a single continuous length of about 22 metres. And I'd thought I'd just ran out...
2012-08-11T07:07:27 < LeelooMinai> I'm just starting with stm32 - is there some documentation for standard peripheral library that would contain examples and general description of usage patterns for it?
2012-08-11T07:14:27 < R2COM> which peripherals you need?
2012-08-11T07:15:36 < LeelooMinai> I need documentation on everything that that library provides - so I can actually start programming the uC:)
2012-08-11T07:15:53 < R2COM> you downloaded the one fromST already?
2012-08-11T07:16:02 < R2COM> it has most of the peripherals with coded examples
2012-08-11T07:16:16 < R2COM> however, its done using the STDperiph driver...
2012-08-11T07:16:37 < LeelooMinai> Well, I downloaded Attolic Studio IDE with STM32 support
2012-08-11T07:16:55 < LeelooMinai> But I don't see any info about the library there
2012-08-11T07:17:17 < R2COM> you mean you do not see any functions or drivers?
2012-08-11T07:17:27 < LeelooMinai> Also, I have F0 discovery board... and there's a download for the library on st site, but somehow it's for the F1 series not F0
2012-08-11T07:17:52 < LeelooMinai> Well, I can see headers and sources included into projects, but no documentation
2012-08-11T07:18:29 < LeelooMinai> Isn't there like a PDF dexcribing how to use those libraries?
2012-08-11T07:19:07 < R2COM> i tried finding it, i didnt, i found some Html shit, but that wasnt much helpful, i literally started from scratch debugging the peripheral and trying to make it work.
2012-08-11T07:19:43 < R2COM> and well, im not using standard driver, i use register definitions to talk to peripherals
2012-08-11T07:20:28 < LeelooMinai> Heh... wonderful:p
2012-08-11T07:20:44 < R2COM> it is. once it works.
2012-08-11T07:21:17 < LeelooMinai> Sure, I will figure it out... but this route will take time
2012-08-11T07:22:31 < R2COM> it might take a while if one needs USB etc, but for others i dont think its that bad
2012-08-11T07:23:05 < LeelooMinai> I guess I will see - ok, thx
2012-08-11T07:23:41 < R2COM> one of the nastiest peripheral i guess is I2c
2012-08-11T07:26:03 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... weird thing is I just downloaded this library for F0 from st site and it's version 1.0.0 ... while Atolic IDE has version 1.0.1 inside...
2012-08-11T07:27:17 < R2COM> if you want to use library just as a first time reference, to see which registers it sets to configure peripherals it doesnt matter much.
2012-08-11T07:29:09 < LeelooMinai> Right
2012-08-11T07:29:53 < LeelooMinai> BTW, Can I just use Discovery board as a programmer, or is there a point in buying this ST LINK v2 for #5 or so?
2012-08-11T07:29:59 < LeelooMinai> for $25 that is*
2012-08-11T07:30:21 < R2COM> i used discovery board to program stm32 on another custom board, it works. i used SWD
2012-08-11T07:30:44 < R2COM> just unplug two CN3 jumpers
2012-08-11T07:31:06 < R2COM> discovery manual shows pin connection for SWD
2012-08-11T07:31:08 < LeelooMinai> Yes, so this programmer would be basically same + maybe Jtag, nice case, and some cables included?
2012-08-11T07:31:19 < R2COM> I am not sure about Jtag
2012-08-11T07:31:32 < LeelooMinai> It has this 20 pin jtag cable in there
2012-08-11T07:31:49 < R2COM> you are talking about standalone one? maybe.
2012-08-11T07:32:23 < LeelooMinai> http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/technologies/development-tools/development-tool-hardware/Pages/3008294-ST-LINK-V2.aspx?IM=0
2012-08-11T07:32:26 < LeelooMinai> ^ Yes, this one
2012-08-11T07:32:44 < R2COM> well, if you really need jtag then maybe yes
2012-08-11T07:34:19 < R2COM> but those tools if you use them as is, are 32Kb limited, you need custom toolchain if you want bigger code
2012-08-11T07:34:37 < LeelooMinai> Which tools?
2012-08-11T07:34:43 < R2COM> the Atollic?
2012-08-11T07:34:50 < R2COM> its free but with 32Kb code limit
2012-08-11T07:34:59 < LeelooMinai> A, right, yes, I know
2012-08-11T07:35:15 < LeelooMinai> I think 32kB will be fine for my next few projects
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2012-08-11T09:16:33 < dongs> blog shower.
2012-08-11T09:19:47 < tech2077> lol
2012-08-11T10:22:15 -!- claude is now known as Claude
2012-08-11T10:27:14 < Thorn> standard peripherals libraries come with .chm files which contain documentation, examples and cross-referenced source code
2012-08-11T10:27:45 < Thorn> (the same examples are also in the source tree)
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2012-08-11T11:45:35 < dongs> bloggery
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2012-08-11T12:09:53 < cjbaird> beating it to the Honda Scooter animu
2012-08-11T12:10:22 < cjbaird> "A PCX125! fapfapfapfap"
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2012-08-11T13:23:21 < dongs> Laurenceb_: beep
2012-08-11T13:23:25 < dongs> what about L3GD20H
2012-08-11T13:23:44 < Laurenceb_> it looks good
2012-08-11T13:23:52 < dongs> as opposed to other ST shit?
2012-08-11T13:23:55 < dongs> whats so good about it?
2012-08-11T13:24:34 < Laurenceb_> low noise and temperature drift
2012-08-11T13:24:37 < Laurenceb_> spi and small
2012-08-11T13:24:51 < Laurenceb_> oh and fifo
2012-08-11T13:25:05 < dongs> price looks good
2012-08-11T13:25:09 < dongs> 2bucks @ qty
2012-08-11T13:25:30 < dongs> > By getting more from technology to get more from life, ST stands for life.augmented.
2012-08-11T13:25:33 < dongs> ???
2012-08-11T13:25:39 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-11T13:25:44 < dongs> da Fuq
2012-08-11T13:26:54 < dongs> only single adc
2012-08-11T13:27:01 < dongs> xyz values are muxed
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2012-08-11T13:28:10 < dongs> isnt its rate noise worse than itg3200
2012-08-11T13:28:29 < Laurenceb__> slightly
2012-08-11T13:29:02 < dongs> so its pretty shit
2012-08-11T13:29:15 < Laurenceb__> lol
2012-08-11T13:29:19 < dongs> the only hope is: SPI and that it (hopefully) doesn't have invensense retarded hysteresis on temp drift
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2012-08-11T13:30:43 < dongs> 10mhz max
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2012-08-11T13:32:21 < Laurenceb_> yeah but the temp drift is so low
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2012-08-11T13:53:13 < dongs> dongs
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2012-08-11T14:48:49 < Thorn> http://what-if.xkcd.com/6/
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2012-08-11T14:56:40 < dongs> http://goatkcd.com/881/sfw
2012-08-11T14:58:14 < dongs> http://goatkcd.com/665/sfw haahha.
2012-08-11T14:58:51 < dongs> http://goatkcd.com/300/sfw lool
2012-08-11T15:00:12 < dongs> http://goatkcd.com/465/sfw haha
2012-08-11T15:00:45 < Thorn> that must be your own project
2012-08-11T15:01:05 < dongs> http://goatkcd.com/366/sfw lulz
2012-08-11T15:01:40 < dongs> http://goatkcd.com/875/sfw
2012-08-11T15:02:03 < dongs> http://goatkcd.com/916/sfw bwhahahaha
2012-08-11T15:03:23 < dongs> http://goatkcd.com/879/sfw
2012-08-11T15:03:43 < Oldboy> goatse pix are safe for work ?
2012-08-11T15:03:52 < Oldboy> I'd like to work where you work.
2012-08-11T15:05:39 < Thorn> dongs is self-employed
2012-08-11T15:05:58 < Thorn> which explains things
2012-08-11T15:09:18 < cjbaird> And it's like Saturday night in Glorious Nippon.
2012-08-11T15:23:51 < dongs> http://goatkcd.com/869/sfw
2012-08-11T15:24:10 < Laurenceb__> holy goatkcd
2012-08-11T15:25:22 < Laurenceb__> its funny it works for every xkcd
2012-08-11T15:25:59 < Thorn> yea especially that cancer one
2012-08-11T15:26:17 < dongs> < Laurenceb__> its funny it works for every xkcd
2012-08-11T15:26:19 < dongs> duh thats the point
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2012-08-11T16:33:13 < dongs> ok start blogging
2012-08-11T17:00:33 < Tectu> dongs, why don't you start
2012-08-11T17:00:37 < Tectu> why do always we have to?
2012-08-11T17:04:12 < dongs> well start blogging some shit about chibios
2012-08-11T17:04:15 < dongs> so i have somethin to complain about
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2012-08-11T18:32:27 < dongs> hey everybody, I'm looking at gay porno!
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2012-08-11T23:31:22 < Laurenceb_> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
2012-08-11T23:31:31 < Laurenceb_> annihilated the record
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2012-08-11T23:58:20 <+Steffanx> yours Laurenceb_ ?
2012-08-11T23:58:50 < Laurenceb_> nope
2012-08-11T23:59:13 <+Steffanx> Not even involved in one of the projects?
2012-08-11T23:59:50 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bellomondo.co.uk/
2012-08-11T23:59:54 < Laurenceb_> I used to be
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2012-08-12T00:01:15 <+Steffanx> And what stopped you? Your busy life? :P
2012-08-12T00:02:18 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2012-08-12T00:03:16 <+Steffanx> I still wonder what that exactly means? a busy life
2012-08-12T00:03:33 < Laurenceb_> its kind of self explanatory
2012-08-12T00:03:40 < Laurenceb_> you have lots of things to do all the time
2012-08-12T00:04:25 <+Steffanx> A lof of things to do or do a lot of things? :)
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2012-08-12T00:05:19 <+Steffanx> lo
2012-08-12T00:10:13 < Thorn> autism related http://bash.org/?950832
2012-08-12T00:12:34 <+Steffanx> ok Thorn
2012-08-12T00:14:03 < Thorn> spacecraft design related http://bash.org/?951260
2012-08-12T00:14:59 <+Steffanx> Thorn discovered bash.org?
2012-08-12T00:15:26 < Thorn> more like discovered that it actually updates from time to time
2012-08-12T00:15:52 < Thorn> zlog?
2012-08-12T00:15:52 < zlog> Thorn: Log stored at http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23%23stm32/2012-08-11.html
2012-08-12T00:16:13 <+Steffanx> and most of it isn't funny
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2012-08-12T03:44:12 < upgrdman> externally clocked counters have two modes. is the only difference that mode 2 can have a prescaler? (and fewer pins support that mode) ... stm32f4
2012-08-12T03:46:37 < zyp> you mean TRGI vs ETRF?
2012-08-12T03:51:34 < zyp> looks like the second mode has some other magic too, the filter stuff
2012-08-12T03:53:15 < upgrdman> yes. trgi had the filter too
2012-08-12T03:53:52 < upgrdman> (both trgi and etrf have a 4bit filter)
2012-08-12T03:54:12 < zyp> I haven't used external clock sources myself yet, so I don't know more than what I can read from the reference manual
2012-08-12T03:54:23 < upgrdman> ok
2012-08-12T03:54:39 < upgrdman> its the ref man that im reading too. it just seems like the only diff is a prescaler
2012-08-12T03:55:10 < zyp> figure 133 doesn't show a flter for TRGI
2012-08-12T03:55:30 < zyp> like the one in figure 135 for ETRF
2012-08-12T03:55:37 < upgrdman> yes it does... its the first block in 133
2012-08-12T03:55:44 < zyp> oh, right
2012-08-12T03:56:17 < zyp> but it doesn't have the ck_int input
2012-08-12T03:56:32 < upgrdman> both modes work as expected for me... im just surprised they made two modes, and only a few pins support etrf
2012-08-12T03:56:53 < zyp> ah
2012-08-12T03:57:26 < zyp> well, as long as it works as expected, it's not really something to worry about :p
2012-08-12T03:57:30 < upgrdman> i know
2012-08-12T03:57:53 < upgrdman> i dont even need these modes. but im learning, and trying to so all of the exampled in the timer chapter in an effort to learn.
2012-08-12T04:01:16 < upgrdman> theres no defintions for bits 9-15 for SMCR... wtf stm
2012-08-12T04:01:28 < upgrdman> 8-15
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2012-08-12T06:51:27 < zippe> Bleh.  Lua testsuite is mildly incomprehensible
2012-08-12T06:51:45 < zippe> also. the weak tables test appears to be brutal
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2012-08-12T07:20:50 < dongs> > lua
2012-08-12T07:20:53 < dongs> foudn your problem
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2012-08-12T08:03:28 < zippe> dongs: show me a script interpreter that doesn't require me to opensource the rest of my project
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2012-08-12T12:31:42 < Thorn> http://www.thedrum.co.uk/news/2012/08/10/western-mail-regional-daily-apologises-caption-error-included-lol-airport-boss-s
2012-08-12T12:54:59 < dongs> that was Laurenceb's job
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2012-08-12T14:40:47 < ratatata> nu
2012-08-12T14:57:47 <+Steffanx> no u
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2012-08-12T15:21:08 < RuslanPopov> hi all
2012-08-12T15:21:52 < RuslanPopov> I am working on stm32f10x, can someone to explain me the BLX <reg> opcode?
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2012-08-12T16:01:00 < TitanMKD> hi
2012-08-12T16:02:34 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/11/topless_zuckerberg_pictures/
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2012-08-12T17:17:03 < RuslanPopov> I am working on stm32f10x, can someone to explain me the BLX <reg> opcode?
2012-08-12T17:21:20 < zyp> sure, it's a call to a function pointer
2012-08-12T17:21:50 < zyp> what in particular are you wondering about?
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2012-08-12T17:59:08 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaLvTZqXNmU
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2012-08-12T19:47:22 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-12T19:47:38 < zyp> no
2012-08-12T19:48:47 <+Steffanx> ok
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2012-08-12T21:03:26 < TitanMKD> does some guys are interested by autonomous board stm32f4 ?
2012-08-12T21:04:00 < TitanMKD> i'm designing it with a very cheap case based on BusPirate size 60mm*35mm
2012-08-12T21:04:05 < TitanMKD> 37mm
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2012-08-12T21:14:45 < Tectu> TitanMKD, wait, what?
2012-08-12T21:14:53 < Tectu> TitanMKD, you design an F4 board?
2012-08-12T21:14:56 < Tectu> or a case? o0
2012-08-12T21:43:37 < TitanMKD> Tectu it is a board with a case ;)
2012-08-12T21:44:36 < Tectu> TitanMKD, d you already have anything?
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2012-08-12T22:11:06 < Tectu> TitanMKD, ?
2012-08-12T22:11:38 < TitanMKD> i'm finalizing the pcb ;)
2012-08-12T22:11:46 < TitanMKD> but i have already the components
2012-08-12T22:23:25 < Tectu> TitanMKD, so how about some more informations?
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2012-08-12T22:54:35 < TitanMKD> Tectu i'm designing it and it's very hard to output all signal on just 60mm*37mm pcb with only 2 layers ;)
2012-08-12T22:55:26 < Tectu> TitanMKD, i know, but can you PLEASE give me now a bit of more informations so i can tell you if i am interested or not? :D
2012-08-12T22:56:40 < zyp> is it just some kind of a breakout board?
2012-08-12T22:59:10 < Tectu> zyp, wouldn't have a case then, i guess
2012-08-12T23:00:05 < zyp> so it's just supposed to sit inside the case and do nothing?
2012-08-12T23:01:20 < TitanMKD> Tectu it is planned to route all signal PA, PB and PC and also including Lipo manager for autonomous board
2012-08-12T23:01:32 < TitanMKD> Tectu including 1 USB
2012-08-12T23:01:55 < Tectu> TitanMKD, so you already have some screenshots / list of features and PRICING?
2012-08-12T23:02:41 < zyp> wtf is «autonomous board»?
2012-08-12T23:04:48 < TitanMKD> zyp for example to connect it to a NFC stuff with display ...;)
2012-08-12T23:05:19 < TitanMKD> in fact it was intended to be connected to my TRF7970A Breakout Board but now it is a bit more universal
2012-08-12T23:05:31 < zyp> I'm not sure I get the point?
2012-08-12T23:06:14 < Tectu> zyp, he means it runs on battery :(
2012-08-12T23:06:16 < TitanMKD> it's a board based on LQFP64 STM32F405RGT
2012-08-12T23:06:32 < TitanMKD> but anyway it will also support power over USB
2012-08-12T23:06:41 < TitanMKD> without Lipo
2012-08-12T23:07:03 < zyp> well, yeah
2012-08-12T23:07:11 < TitanMKD> i will check if the lipo stuff can be optional and left unsoldered for those which do not want that feature
2012-08-12T23:07:16 < zyp> but is that the whole point of the board?
2012-08-12T23:07:46 < Tectu> zyp, maybe it just belongs to the titans
2012-08-12T23:07:48 < TitanMKD> it is just exactly same size of Bus Pirate v3.6
2012-08-12T23:08:00 < TitanMKD> and can also replace a buspirate for fast signal
2012-08-12T23:08:02 < Tectu> TitanMKD, and what is it's purpose, we are still asking the same -.-
2012-08-12T23:08:37 < TitanMKD> Tectu it is multipurpose board with chibios embedded and a terminal you can do what you want with access on all peripherals
2012-08-12T23:09:07 < TitanMKD> like plug additional board in sandwich to add SDIO, SDCARD ...
2012-08-12T23:09:10 < zyp> so, it's a breakout board with a voltage regulator capable of being powered both by usb and lipo?
2012-08-12T23:09:19 < TitanMKD> zyp yes
2012-08-12T23:09:31 < Tectu> TitanMKD, and it costs how much and why should we get one
2012-08-12T23:10:08 < TitanMKD> the cost is very low because the most expensive is the STM32F4
2012-08-12T23:10:51 < TitanMKD> anyway with little production (less than 100 units) it will cost really more than STM32F4 Discovery
2012-08-12T23:11:01 < TitanMKD> and even for 100units it will cost more than 20USD
2012-08-12T23:12:12 < TitanMKD> I as planning to use a CPLD to have simplify routing but it will be even harder on such a little board
2012-08-12T23:12:19 < TitanMKD> I as => I was
2012-08-12T23:13:00 < zyp> to simplify routing?
2012-08-12T23:13:53 < TitanMKD> yes because routing of 48 GPIO in order PA0 to PA15 ... on only 2 layers is a challenge ;)
2012-08-12T23:14:44 < TitanMKD> I will probably rearrange the IO to be more straight to the STM32F4 ;)
2012-08-12T23:14:49 < zyp> using a cpld won't really give you any huge benefit
2012-08-12T23:15:09 < zyp> and add a lot of complexity that you probably don't want
2012-08-12T23:15:19 < zyp> and also remove some features that you might want
2012-08-12T23:15:25 < TitanMKD> zyp yes for such simple design it is not interesting
2012-08-12T23:15:47 < zyp> you can't route analog signals for the ADC through the CPLD
2012-08-12T23:16:11 < TitanMKD> zyp yes and also bidir signal are tricky on CPLD
2012-08-12T23:16:12 < zyp> and IO direction is defined by the CPLD, so it's not as easy to change
2012-08-12T23:16:44 < zyp> and then there is the hassle of actually making and loading the CPLD configuration :p
2012-08-12T23:16:59 < TitanMKD> yes CPLD stuff will be for an other design ;)
2012-08-12T23:17:37 < zyp> did you see the F4 board I made?
2012-08-12T23:17:41 < TitanMKD> I have not even added the LIPO stuff but IIRC it take less space than a regulator
2012-08-12T23:17:43 < zyp> with a CPLD on it :p
2012-08-12T23:17:52 < TitanMKD> ha ?
2012-08-12T23:17:57 < TitanMKD> have you a link ?
2012-08-12T23:18:06 < zyp> sure
2012-08-12T23:18:26 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/sTW8U.JPG
2012-08-12T23:18:50 < zyp> I thought everybody had seen it by now :p
2012-08-12T23:19:22 < TitanMKD> woo seems pretty cool
2012-08-12T23:19:35 < TitanMKD> where are the spec ?
2012-08-12T23:19:41 < zyp> which spec?
2012-08-12T23:19:46 < TitanMKD> of this board
2012-08-12T23:20:04 < zyp> I haven't written any spec, this is just a hobby project that I'm not intending to sell
2012-08-12T23:20:48 < TitanMKD> just to know what it does
2012-08-12T23:22:09 < zyp> it's intended as a quadrotor controller, got the F4, gyro, accelerometer, magnetometer, air pressure sensor and gps
2012-08-12T23:22:20 < TitanMKD> ha great
2012-08-12T23:22:41 < TitanMKD> stm32f4 seems perfect for that especially with the DSP ;)
2012-08-12T23:22:54 < zyp> connectivity is usb, xbee socket, can transceiver and a bunch of remappable pins capable of transceiverless can, spi, uart and pwm in/out
2012-08-12T23:23:13 < zyp> the CPLD is responsible for the remappable pins
2012-08-12T23:23:17 < TitanMKD> ha remappable pins are managed by the CPLD/FPGA ?
2012-08-12T23:23:24 < TitanMKD> yes very good
2012-08-12T23:23:34 < zyp> not only for routing, but also logic like simulating can transceivers for transceiverless can
2012-08-12T23:23:38 < zyp> or uart muxing
2012-08-12T23:23:51 < TitanMKD> and why not debugging ;)
2012-08-12T23:24:02 < zyp> oh, and there is a jtag/swd port of course
2012-08-12T23:24:23 < TitanMKD> I plan to only add SWD on mine
2012-08-12T23:25:06 < zyp> it's the same pins, and I have leftover GPIOs so I don't need them for other purposes
2012-08-12T23:25:24 < TitanMKD> IIRC JTAG use more pins
2012-08-12T23:26:11 < zyp> yes, one or two, depending on whether you count SWO or not
2012-08-12T23:26:44 < TitanMKD> i will check depending on space left ;) JTAG could be better
2012-08-12T23:26:46 < zyp> if I went with only SWD, I'd still want SWO, so in reality I'd only save JTDI if I eliminated JTAG
2012-08-12T23:28:02 < zyp> going by experience, SWD is faster than JTAG, so that's what I normally use
2012-08-12T23:28:26 < zyp> but I wouldn't know that if I designed this board with SWD only, because then I wouldn't be able to test that :p
2012-08-12T23:28:43 < Tectu> zyp, SWD would be a no-go for me
2012-08-12T23:28:44 < TitanMKD> anyway i have all pins available on connector
2012-08-12T23:28:58 < TitanMKD> Tectu why it is a no-go ?
2012-08-12T23:29:05 < zyp> Tectu, because you only have a shitty debugger probe that doesn't support SWD? :p
2012-08-12T23:29:34 < Tectu> zyp, correct, but please don't point that out :D
2012-08-12T23:29:47 < TitanMKD> Tectu if you already have a Stm32F4Discovery you can use the SWD debugger to debug other board
2012-08-12T23:30:11 < TitanMKD> and I have never found a JTAG debugger for less than 12USD ;)
2012-08-12T23:30:52 < zyp> except using a discovery board as a debugger for other stuff usually results in a mess of wires
2012-08-12T23:31:01 < Tectu> probably i should get some black magic
2012-08-12T23:31:02 < zyp> that's what I hated about it :p
2012-08-12T23:31:46 < Tectu> zyp, lol. I do have dedicated stlink v2 at the moment
2012-08-12T23:31:52 < Tectu> zyp, which one do you have/use
2012-08-12T23:32:45 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/MNigG.JPG <- using a discovery board towards a board with a standard 0.05" header usually turns out like this
2012-08-12T23:35:44 < zyp> I got tired of trying to remember and end up having to check which pins where which every time I wanted to hook it up to something
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2012-08-12T23:52:49 < zyp> Tectu, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/yQGUT.JPG <- here's what I'm currently using
2012-08-12T23:54:30 < zyp> it's the old kind of blackmagic, soldered to a 0.05" adapter board and shrink-wrapped so I don't have to worry about putting it on top of metal
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2012-08-12T23:58:04 < Tectu> zyp, what's that thingy on the right? It isn't a black magic then?
2012-08-12T23:58:08 < Tectu> or is it?
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2012-08-12T23:58:36 < zyp> it's the old kind
2012-08-12T23:58:45 < zyp> that comes with a 0.1" connector
2012-08-12T23:59:16 < Tectu> is it worth to get a black magic?
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2012-08-13T00:00:14 < zyp> that's up to you
2012-08-13T00:00:54 < Tectu> how much did you pay for it?
2012-08-13T00:01:06 < Tectu> has it some more features than stlink? (software)
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2012-08-13T00:02:19 < zyp> I don't remember what I paid
2012-08-13T00:03:02 < Tectu> i have something in mind that people said it is faster than the 10kB/s of stlink
2012-08-13T00:03:06 < Tectu> is that true ?
2012-08-13T00:03:58 < zyp> yes, I believe it reaches 45 kB/s or so
2012-08-13T00:04:15 < Tectu> dongs said he has some 2Mbps, is that true? o0
2012-08-13T00:04:20 < Tectu> not sure if he uses black magic
2012-08-13T00:04:53 < zyp> no, flash is not capable of writing 2 MB/s in any case
2012-08-13T00:05:06 < zyp> and no, I believe he's mainly using jlink
2012-08-13T00:05:29 < Tectu> maybe it was erasing he was talking of
2012-08-13T00:05:33 < Tectu> about*
2012-08-13T00:05:36 < zyp> irrelevant
2012-08-13T00:06:18 < Tectu> well then
2012-08-13T00:06:20 < zyp> you can probably say that the largest feature of the blackmagic is that it runs the entire gdbserver on the dongle itself
2012-08-13T00:06:33 < Tectu> huh
2012-08-13T00:06:39 < Tectu> what is the adventage of that?
2012-08-13T00:06:44 < zyp> it enumerates as a serial port, so you just attach gdb directly to that
2012-08-13T00:07:22 < Tectu> what is the adventage of that? o0
2012-08-13T00:07:51 < zyp> that you don't need to run some kind of middleware between gdb and the dongle
2012-08-13T00:09:42 < zyp> it's also less quirky and more robust than stlink and the texane middleware
2012-08-13T00:09:51 < Tectu> so i don't need texane anymore?
2012-08-13T00:09:56 < zyp> correct
2012-08-13T00:10:01 < Tectu> texane always drops connection :D
2012-08-13T00:10:44 <+Steffanx> You need a bmp and gdb
2012-08-13T00:10:46 <+Steffanx> and a pc ofcourse :P
2012-08-13T00:10:51 <+Steffanx> With 'random' OS
2012-08-13T00:11:05 < Tectu> so no driver hacking with linux since serial port
2012-08-13T00:11:13 < zyp> blackmagic handles disconnects nicely (like when the target MCU loses power), while stlink tends to lock up or just get confused and return random data
2012-08-13T00:11:57 < Tectu> and gsmcmullin is the guy behind black sphere technologies, right?
2012-08-13T00:12:00 < Tectu> so is it his "invention"?
2012-08-13T00:12:03 < zyp> yes
2012-08-13T00:12:23 < Tectu> the new version dosen't seem to have some jtag
2012-08-13T00:12:49 < zyp> doesn't it?
2012-08-13T00:12:52 <+Steffanx> it has
2012-08-13T00:13:01 <+Steffanx> "Standard 10-pin Cortex debug connector for connection to the target with JTAG or SWD."
2012-08-13T00:13:17 <+Steffanx> It just doesn't have this big ass connector anymore
2012-08-13T00:13:28 < Tectu> does it have an adaptor?
2012-08-13T00:13:37 < zyp> having the big connetor is kind of nice
2012-08-13T00:13:52 < zyp> since the waveshare board I bought uses that :p
2012-08-13T00:14:33 < Tectu> yeah
2012-08-13T00:14:35 < Tectu> same here
2012-08-13T00:14:41 < Tectu> zyp, how do you connect it up to the BMP??
2012-08-13T00:15:05 < zyp> look in my picture, see how I got both the small and the big connector? :p
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2012-08-13T00:15:16 < zyp> so I can use either
2012-08-13T00:15:35 < Tectu> c'mon
2012-08-13T00:15:36 < Tectu> that's not fair :D
2012-08-13T00:16:13 < Tectu> why do you need a USB hub with on/off switches per port? o0
2012-08-13T00:16:53 <+Steffanx> Where do you read that?
2012-08-13T00:17:05 < zyp> Steffanx, it's also visible in the picture :p
2012-08-13T00:17:14 < Tectu> Steffanx, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/yQGUT.JPG
2012-08-13T00:17:22 < Tectu> zyp, so?
2012-08-13T00:17:36 < zyp> saw it in a store in japan, thought it would be nice to have, so I picked it up
2012-08-13T00:17:37 <+Steffanx> Oh, that
2012-08-13T00:18:03 < zyp> it's nice to be able to turn off a port rather than have to unplug and replug it for any reason
2012-08-13T00:18:45 < zyp> having to replug stuff when doing usb related development is rather common
2012-08-13T00:19:00 <+Steffanx> Just a switch in the power lines? :P
2012-08-13T00:19:02 <+Steffanx> -s
2012-08-13T00:19:52 < zyp> yeah, likely
2012-08-13T00:20:16 < zyp> I imagine anything actually cutting the data lines would be unnecessary expensive
2012-08-13T00:20:42 < Tectu> and leak performance
2012-08-13T00:21:01 <+Steffanx> Maybe some fancy usb hub chip with extra functionality?
2012-08-13T00:21:08 < zyp> so if vbus for some reason remains powered on the device side, or device remains powered and ignores vbus state, it can probably still pass data
2012-08-13T00:21:09 < Tectu> Steffanx, to expensive
2012-08-13T00:21:23 <+Steffanx> Only when it says "Made in China"
2012-08-13T00:21:26 < zyp> but that doesn't really matter for me
2012-08-13T00:21:37 < zyp> hmm
2012-08-13T00:21:41 < zyp> it actually says that
2012-08-13T00:21:48 < zyp> like everything else :p
2012-08-13T00:23:25 < zyp> I also picked up another hub that has a micro connector on the host side
2012-08-13T00:24:18 < zyp> so it plugs directly into the OTG connector on the F4discovery board and allows other devices to be connected to it
2012-08-13T00:24:49 < zyp> also has external power input, so it's possible to use it with OTG hosts that's uncapable of supplying vbus
2012-08-13T00:25:20 <+Steffanx> Fancy
2012-08-13T00:25:52 < zyp> it's intended for smartphones and tablets
2012-08-13T00:26:19 < zyp> figured it'll be nice to have if/when I decide to play with host mode in my stack :p
2012-08-13T00:26:31 <+Steffanx> In Japan they use their smartphones for everything ofcourse
2012-08-13T00:26:54 < zyp> oh, I dunno
2012-08-13T00:28:47 < zyp> one of my friends remarked that a lot of the japanese people we saw on trains seemed to have both a smartphone and a normal japanese phone
2012-08-13T00:31:11 < zyp> looked like that for a lot of people the smartphone was just a toy to pass time with, and then they preferred their old phone for it's tasks
2012-08-13T00:31:17 < zyp> or something like that
2012-08-13T00:45:20 < zyp> dongs, did you know you've always wanted this? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digistump/digispark-the-tiny-arduino-enabled-usb-dev-board
2012-08-13T00:45:49 <+Steffanx> zyp, reads #sparkfun too
2012-08-13T00:46:15 <+Steffanx> So i'll quote myself: "Yet another 'useless' project on kickstarter"
2012-08-13T00:46:36 <+Steffanx> and make it useless without the quotes
2012-08-13T00:47:02 < Tectu> how comes that people get so much money with these projects :(
2012-08-13T00:48:27 < zyp> they come up with something that the masses want
2012-08-13T00:49:04 <+Steffanx> What masses what..
2012-08-13T00:49:06 <+Steffanx> want
2012-08-13T00:50:00 <+Steffanx> Too many buy crap as long as it has "arduino" on it :P
2012-08-13T00:54:12 <+Steffanx> it's also attiny45 based .. so crap usb included ..
2012-08-13T00:54:31 < zyp> attiny85 actually
2012-08-13T00:54:38 < zyp> but that's just a 45 with more flash
2012-08-13T00:54:57 <+Steffanx> oh, yes you are right
2012-08-13T00:55:25 < zyp> sloppy soldering in the pics too
2012-08-13T00:55:44 < zyp> not as bad as that tom guy, but still
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2012-08-13T00:59:13 <+Steffanx> could be worse ..
2012-08-13T01:03:15 < zippe> dongs: still waiting on your interpreter suggestions...
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2012-08-13T01:04:59 < zyp> I hear that stm32 is a pretty nice thumb opcode interpreter
2012-08-13T01:05:52 <+Steffanx> sure?
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2012-08-13T01:50:59 < dongs> haha
2012-08-13T01:51:03 < dongs> sup trolls
2012-08-13T01:51:06 < dongs> went to sleep at 8pm yesterday
2012-08-13T01:51:09 < dongs> best thing ever
2012-08-13T01:57:03 < Laurenceb_> I know who Blofeld is
2012-08-13T01:57:11 < Laurenceb_>  Jacques Rogge is Blofeld
2012-08-13T01:57:17 < Laurenceb_> it all makes sense now
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2012-08-13T02:36:46 <+dekar_> what I don't get about that tiny arduino board, as well as the arduino itself is that most hobbyists probably don't care whether the µC costs $1 or $5
2012-08-13T02:37:21 <+dekar_> so why get the small ones with heavy memory constrains?
2012-08-13T02:38:12 < zyp> because they don't know better
2012-08-13T02:43:38 <+dekar_> another huge downside is the lack of an USB-PHY, I don't think there are many CPU cycles left for actually using that as a prototyping device :/
2012-08-13T02:43:55 < zyp> huh?
2012-08-13T02:44:08 < zyp> it's really more about the MAC than the PHY :p
2012-08-13T02:44:13 <+dekar_> isn't that kickstarter thing bitbanging usb?
2012-08-13T02:44:45 <+dekar_> oh right, that's what I meant
2012-08-13T02:45:02 < zyp> the «PHY» is a couple of resistors or so :p
2012-08-13T02:45:32 <+dekar_> yeah USB phy isn't that hard :)
2012-08-13T02:45:41 < zyp> not for LS
2012-08-13T02:45:44 <+dekar_> is it called MAC for USB?
2012-08-13T02:46:34 < zyp> MAC is a term in the OSI model, which also applies to USB
2012-08-13T02:50:26 <+dekar_> that attiny usb to i2c thing I recently built only supports up to 50khz i2c speeds. the only thing it does is bitbang usb as well as i2c
2012-08-13T02:51:01 <+dekar_> so I imagine that tiny arduino will perform equally bad
2012-08-13T02:51:07 < zyp> yeah
2012-08-13T02:51:28 < zyp> but if all you want to do is blink some leds, it's good enough
2012-08-13T02:51:51 < zyp> I'd be more concerned about the number of available pins
2012-08-13T02:55:46 <+dekar_> they had to resort to an i2c display since that thing lacks the pins to drive a parallel hd44780
2012-08-13T02:56:34 < zyp> which is just hd44780 with another microcontroller to translate i2c to parallel, right? :p
2012-08-13T02:58:19 <+dekar_> yeah :/
2012-08-13T02:58:32 <+dekar_> http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/index.html
2012-08-13T02:58:45 <+dekar_> those things are dirt cheap as well, a much better choice imo
2012-08-13T02:59:31 < zyp> I got a box of atmega32u4s sitting around
2012-08-13T03:00:34 <+dekar_> I've actually never worked with any 8bit µC, but I imagine you'd often get problems porting C libraries
2012-08-13T03:01:05 < zyp> why?
2012-08-13T03:01:17 <+dekar_> I mean most applications just assume sizeof(int) to be at least 32bit
2012-08-13T03:01:45 < zyp> most applications won't fit on a MCU
2012-08-13T03:02:39 < zyp> and variable sizes is decided by the compiler, not the platform
2012-08-13T03:02:40 <+dekar_> I actually had no problem grabbing random libraries and using them on my stm32 so far
2012-08-13T03:02:57 < zyp> which libraries?
2012-08-13T03:03:23 <+dekar_> libtomcypt and lua
2012-08-13T03:06:01 < dongs> factory fucked up and rotated every pcb in my panel 90 degrees
2012-08-13T03:06:07 < dongs> and dicknplace software doesn't rotate data
2012-08-13T03:06:09 < dongs> wat2do
2012-08-13T03:06:22 < zippe> rotate the panel?
2012-08-13T03:06:26 < dongs> I can export shit as csv, is tehre any way to do a x/y rotation in excel or somethingf
2012-08-13T03:06:29 < zippe> Or did you use a rectangular panel?
2012-08-13T03:06:29 < dongs> cant
2012-08-13T03:06:30 < dongs> the guides are wrong way
2012-08-13T03:06:40 < zippe> *snrk*
2012-08-13T03:06:45 < dongs> *I* didnt , they fucked up.
2012-08-13T03:06:52 < zippe> Now, if the pnp software was opensource, you could just add the feature...
2012-08-13T03:06:57 < dongs> it is opensource.
2012-08-13T03:07:01 < dongs> but i am not touching VB6.
2012-08-13T03:07:05 <+dekar_> lol
2012-08-13T03:07:25 <+dekar_> open source pick and place software? link?
2012-08-13T03:07:32 <+dekar_> any free license?
2012-08-13T03:07:36 < dongs> the dude was here last time to fix shitty bugs and left the sores.
2012-08-13T03:07:44 <+dekar_> I see
2012-08-13T03:07:49 < dongs> trust me, you dont want it.
2012-08-13T03:07:58 < dongs> the only reason I haven't rewritten it is because its fucking filthy.
2012-08-13T03:08:35 < dongs> they do machine "vision" by putpixel/getpixel in VB.
2012-08-13T03:08:41 < dongs> and comparing brightness or something.
2012-08-13T03:09:30 < dongs> no proper algorithms, shit is buggy etc. typical japanese code.
2012-08-13T03:10:50 < zyp> what about complaining and demanding correct panels?
2012-08-13T03:10:58 < dongs> not worth the trouble
2012-08-13T03:11:29 <+dekar_> zyp, so you can tell the compiler to have 32bit int on a 8bit architecture? I guess the performance penalty would be quite high, but I see that being useful
2012-08-13T03:11:42 < zyp> dekar_, sure, why not?
2012-08-13T03:11:43 < dongs> dekar, just use uint32_t / int32_t?
2012-08-13T03:12:01 <+dekar_> dongs, well we were talking about porting existing libs
2012-08-13T03:12:02 < zyp> dekar_, avr-gcc has 16-bit ints by default
2012-08-13T03:12:44 < dongs> dekar, there are worthwhile tarduino libs to be ported?
2012-08-13T03:12:53 < zyp> and any sensible lib should have specific integer sizes for cases where it matters
2012-08-13T03:13:19 < dongs> so yeah uh...
2012-08-13T03:13:21 < dongs> how2rotate this shit
2012-08-13T03:13:50 < dongs> i could export all xy positions as dots to a bitmap, rotate bitmap in mspaint, get the x/y pixels back out.. but thats tedious and annoying.
2012-08-13T03:13:59 <+dekar_> zyp, in reality many aren't developed with less than 32bit architectures in mind (or big endian)
2012-08-13T03:14:32 < zyp> dongs, you swap x and y cols, then make one of them negative
2012-08-13T03:14:43 < zyp> and then add a constant to each row again to align it
2012-08-13T03:15:02 < dongs> wat
2012-08-13T03:15:03 < zyp> which col to make negative depends on whether you're rotating clockwise or counterclockwise
2012-08-13T03:15:14 < dongs> its a 90" rottaion not 180
2012-08-13T03:15:33 < zyp> well, duh, 180 means making both cols negative
2012-08-13T03:16:39 < dongs> ok so lets say i have a part at 11,16
2012-08-13T03:16:43 < dongs> i swap them 16,11
2012-08-13T03:16:50 < dongs> what does this offset do?
2012-08-13T03:16:56 < dongs> offset will have to be -5?
2012-08-13T03:17:10 < zyp> no
2012-08-13T03:17:18 < zyp> offset is the point you're rotating around
2012-08-13T03:17:27 < dongs> that would be the center of pcb i guesss
2012-08-13T03:17:51 < zyp> if you don't add any offset, you're rotating around the origin, i.e. point 0,0
2012-08-13T03:18:58 < zyp> that's why a point at 5, 5 would be at 5, -5 or -5, 5 when you rotate it
2012-08-13T03:19:28 < dongs> so if my pcb is 20,20mm can I do offset 10,10 then?
2012-08-13T03:19:36 <+dekar_> dongs, I wasn't actually planning to port any arduino libs or the like. I just meant so far I had no trouble using off the shelf C libraries on my stm32 and I'd imagine you'd have trouble doing that on a 8bit architecture.
2012-08-13T03:19:39 < dongs> to rotate around center?
2012-08-13T03:20:04 < zyp> dongs, you can do x = y and y = 20 - x
2012-08-13T03:20:05 < dongs> dekar_: actually you can ,  generally, as zyp said any worthwhile lib will have used correct sized types without assuming shit when it needs to
2012-08-13T03:20:06 <+dekar_> But I guess it actually makes no difference
2012-08-13T03:20:17 < zyp> or x = 20 - y, and y = x
2012-08-13T03:20:27 < dongs> zyp, is that to get offset? or to rotate
2012-08-13T03:20:33 < zyp> both
2012-08-13T03:20:49 < zyp> one is clockwise, other is counterclockwise, I'm too tired to figure out which is which
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2012-08-13T03:22:43 < zyp> for some reason I'm still not in bed, even though I'm planning on being at work in five and a half hour :/
2012-08-13T03:27:40 < dongs> funtimes
2012-08-13T03:27:44 < dongs> its not like you do anythign at work anyway
2012-08-13T03:29:06 < zyp> except I spent most of the weekend there because somebody has fucked up something and nobody knows what
2012-08-13T03:29:13 < dongs> nice
2012-08-13T03:45:42 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pennyarcade/penny-arcade-sells-out
2012-08-13T03:45:59 < dongs> "All previous rewards, Gabe will think about you during sex,... "
2012-08-13T03:46:06 < dongs> this assumes gabe has sex, ever
2012-08-13T04:05:34 < dongs> .. i thougth they're talkign about gabe newell
2012-08-13T04:05:41 < dongs> bugt I doubt anyone named gabe at pennyarcade has sex either.
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2012-08-13T04:50:34 < bcsllc-steve> anyone have a good source or manuf for comerical grade servos ?
2012-08-13T04:50:42 < bcsllc-steve> no hobby store crap
2012-08-13T04:50:46 < bcsllc-steve> one batch wonders
2012-08-13T04:52:33 < bcsllc-steve> or maybe an actuator
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2012-08-13T05:12:54 < zippe> bcsllc-steve: size?
2012-08-13T05:18:56 < bcsllc-steve> not really sure yet
2012-08-13T05:19:14 < bcsllc-steve> just putting sources together
2012-08-13T05:19:32 < bcsllc-steve> I want to be able to control throttle on a small nitro engine
2012-08-13T05:19:57 < bcsllc-steve> maybe hobby rc suppliers might work
2012-08-13T05:19:59 < bcsllc-steve> but I dont know
2012-08-13T05:20:32 < bcsllc-steve> s/want/need
2012-08-13T05:21:42 < bcsllc-steve> dongs, is your rc copter electric motor or gas ?
2012-08-13T05:31:35 < dongs> electric of course who the fuc uses gas in 2012
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2012-08-13T06:29:31 < R2COM> by the way
2012-08-13T06:29:32 < R2COM> http://www.moog.com/products/motors-servomotors/
2012-08-13T06:29:54 < dongs> lol
2012-08-13T06:30:00 < R2COM> what?
2012-08-13T06:30:15 < dongs> io dont think he asked for aerospace-grade servos
2012-08-13T06:30:26 < R2COM> oh..
2012-08-13T06:30:43 < R2COM> when he said no hobby crap, to me it sounded that project has to do something with that shit.
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2012-08-13T06:33:10 < dongs> http://www.xbow.com/images/ANC1000_SML.jpg wtf
2012-08-13T06:33:17 < dongs> LT  doesnt make gyros
2012-08-13T06:36:26 < R2COM> maybe gyros there are analog, and LT's amps used to amplify their signal
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2012-08-13T06:36:46 < dongs> i dont see any analog gyros on that board
2012-08-13T06:36:55 < dongs> and the arrangement of that shit is what a axis gyro would ousually look like
2012-08-13T06:37:11 < dongs> unless they're on the back
2012-08-13T06:41:50 < dongs> besides , all the analog gyros i've seen you dont amplify. the only reason to have an opamp there is to reduce output impedance maybe, not to amp it.
2012-08-13T06:42:26 < dongs> cause usually gyro shit is like > 30-50k ohm output impedance. so you have a opamp on the output without actually amplifying anything
2012-08-13T06:42:45 < dongs> > favors
2012-08-13T06:42:45 < dongs> im sure.
2012-08-13T06:43:43 < R2COM> nah that wont sell, build something more cool
2012-08-13T06:44:11 < R2COM> i can get shit which you listed in my local crapstore, 1$ a piece
2012-08-13T06:44:53 < dongs> flyback, does permanently leaving a channel considered a favor
2012-08-13T06:45:12 < dongs> allright time to dicknplace some more shit
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2012-08-13T07:26:24 < bcsllc-steve> R2COM, thanks
2012-08-13T07:26:54 < bcsllc-steve> dongs, how long does your shit run for ?
2012-08-13T07:27:33 < dongs> long enough for me not to crash it
2012-08-13T07:34:49 < bcsllc-steve> dongs, how long does your shit run for ?
2012-08-13T07:37:31 < dongs> long enough for me not to crash it
2012-08-13T07:40:16 < bcsllc-steve> pffft
2012-08-13T07:41:05 < bcsllc-steve> you must be related to Zhivago
2012-08-13T07:41:07 < bcsllc-steve> from ##C
2012-08-13T07:42:00 < dongs> i only troll channels on feenode
2012-08-13T07:52:28 < dongs> http://www.lucellled.com/image/below_tel.gif
2012-08-13T07:52:30 < dongs> COOYRIGHT.
2012-08-13T07:54:47 < bcsllc-steve> Troll ?
2012-08-13T07:54:55 < bcsllc-steve> Must be one of those youngsters
2012-08-13T07:55:06 < dongs> sorry, im only 13.
2012-08-13T08:13:57 < feurig> you know dongs you have said some things in this channel that should have gotten you kick banned.
2012-08-13T08:14:34 < feurig> the 13 makes more sense
2012-08-13T08:20:59 < dongs> not as bad as some of the shit laurenceb says.
2012-08-13T08:21:32 < feurig> would be nice if there were moderators
2012-08-13T08:22:19 < dongs> i dont really agree
2012-08-13T08:22:43 < dongs> people are entitled to an opinion.
2012-08-13T08:22:53 < dongs> i dont think banning someone for an opinion makes sense.
2012-08-13T08:23:02 < dongs> this is irc, if you dont liek something you have 2 options: 1) /ignore 2) /part
2012-08-13T08:23:10 < dongs> noone is forcing you to listen to me
2012-08-13T08:23:33 < feurig> this is a public forum where people are supposed to be helping eachother
2012-08-13T08:23:45 < dongs> I don't see you doing enough helping then.
2012-08-13T08:24:00 < feurig> so some things like blatant sexism really dont help
2012-08-13T08:24:08 < dongs> oh wtf now
2012-08-13T08:24:21 < feurig> thats exactly what I said.
2012-08-13T08:25:47 < dongs> i have no idea what youre tlaking about.
2012-08-13T08:26:02 < feurig> when someone says their cowworker is upset and your advice ist to rape her I dont see that as being helpful in any way
2012-08-13T08:26:22 < dongs> dude, knowing Laurenceb its probably his fantasy
2012-08-13T08:26:36 < dongs> also: getting offended at sexist shit on irc? seriously, wtf
2012-08-13T08:26:59 < feurig> promoting and participating it WTF.
2012-08-13T08:27:19 < feurig> anyways would be nice to see some channel ops here but oh well.
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2012-08-13T08:28:02 < dongs> talk about taking irc seriously holy shit.
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2012-08-13T08:43:22 <+dekar_> dongs, lol
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2012-08-13T08:43:37 < bcsllc-steve> oh thats what /part does
2012-08-13T08:43:39 < bcsllc-steve> lol
2012-08-13T08:45:45 < dongs> ya it seems he took that advice.
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2012-08-13T10:29:35 < ratatata> nu
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2012-08-13T10:37:41 < Tectu> nu
2012-08-13T10:41:15 < dongs> sup blogs
2012-08-13T10:41:19 < dongs> Laurenceb_: see chats above.
2012-08-13T10:41:48 < Laurenceb_> !zlog
2012-08-13T10:51:14 < Laurenceb_> zlog
2012-08-13T10:51:14 < zlog> Laurenceb_: Log stored at http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23%23stm32/2012-08-13.html
2012-08-13T10:52:28 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-13T10:52:33 < Laurenceb_> trolls trolling trolls
2012-08-13T10:53:42 < zyp> *yawn*
2012-08-13T10:58:05 < dongs> lol, entire todays log is just trolling
2012-08-13T10:58:26 < zyp> any interesting trolling while I was asleep?
2012-08-13T10:59:52 < dongs> just whats in the log
2012-08-13T11:00:16 < zyp> how did your rotating go? did you fail horribly and place all components upside down?
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2012-08-13T11:00:23 < dongs> basically
2012-08-13T11:01:28 < dongs> I'm still considering how to do it.
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2012-08-13T11:42:51 < dongs> k i might be able to negro the panel in without rotating it
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2012-08-13T12:29:49 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-19222190
2012-08-13T12:30:07 < Laurenceb> i think someone from here was responsible for that
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2012-08-13T12:30:42 < Laurenceb> not naming names
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2012-08-13T12:48:38 < dongs> wehre's goatse
2012-08-13T12:48:43 < dongs> cant take responsibility
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2012-08-13T13:35:12 < dongs> woohoo banned from rcg again
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2012-08-13T13:44:28 < Laurenceb> looool
2012-08-13T13:44:36 < Laurenceb> the forum or irc?
2012-08-13T13:48:07 < dongs> forum i guess
2012-08-13T13:48:12 < dongs> i wonder if irc is synced with bans
2012-08-13T13:48:14 < dongs> that'd be hilarious
2012-08-13T13:48:23 < dongs> oh i duno i never reconnected t here
2012-08-13T13:48:48 < dongs> looks like im still ok there.
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2012-08-13T14:38:58 < Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/assmann/v5970/fixing-kit-to-220/dp/858640?Ntt=assmann
2012-08-13T14:41:22 < dongs> Laurenceb likes assman
2012-08-13T14:43:19 < cjbaird> 'No Longer Stocked' ;_;
2012-08-13T14:46:56 < dongs> what the fuck was it>?
2012-08-13T14:47:32  * ABLomas slaps dongs 
2012-08-13T14:47:37 < ABLomas> wth with RCG?
2012-08-13T14:47:44 < dongs> lol
2012-08-13T14:47:58 < dongs> banned for this post : http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=22421032
2012-08-13T14:48:30 < ABLomas> ...
2012-08-13T14:48:40 < ABLomas> btw, you're famous in various countries...
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2012-08-13T14:48:51 < dongs> you mean besides israel?
2012-08-13T14:49:37 < ABLomas> http://forum.rcdesign.ru/f90/thread243418-56.html#post3539441
2012-08-13T14:49:40 < ABLomas> "А у Вас случано брата в Японии нет?"
2012-08-13T14:49:52 < dongs> aha, google translate is hilarious wiht that site
2012-08-13T14:49:52 < ABLomas> rough translation "you got brother in Japan?"
2012-08-13T14:50:17 < ABLomas> it's about another crazy russian who coded (IMO almost perfect) autopilot on stm32 (F4 IIRC)
2012-08-13T14:50:34 < dongs> "coded"
2012-08-13T14:50:41 < dongs> you mean, bunched together a bunch of others c ode.
2012-08-13T14:50:44 < ABLomas> do not use google translate, i'm speaking freely in that lang, but...
2012-08-13T14:50:48 < ABLomas> well
2012-08-13T14:50:55 < dongs> i've seen it, disassembled the code, and wasn't impressed.
2012-08-13T14:51:07 < ABLomas> some parts of code maybe, but bvhud and other parts - "home made"
2012-08-13T14:51:13 < dongs> that guy mostly pisses me off because he's in bed with that CSG_EU scammer
2012-08-13T14:53:35 < ABLomas> hm
2012-08-13T14:54:47 < dongs> but yeah, shrug
2012-08-13T14:55:30 < dongs> I think he's referring to me in that post
2012-08-13T14:55:38 < dongs> beacuse I refuse to support that piece of shit overpriced pressure seneor.
2012-08-13T14:58:43 < dongs> ABLomas: ever got anything shipped throuhg 4px express? (usually chink shit)
2012-08-13T15:04:43 < dongs> https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/digistump/digispark-the-tiny-arduino-enabled-usb-dev-board/
2012-08-13T15:04:49 < dongs> lol @ possibility of them getting 125k
2012-08-13T15:20:18 < cjbaird> TI also having something like it. but LOLARDUINOISSOCOOLMEMADCOMPUTERGEEK!
2012-08-13T15:21:41 < Laurenceb> its ok
2012-08-13T15:21:52 < Laurenceb> all the geeks are being sent to a camp
2012-08-13T15:22:04 < Laurenceb> http://emfcamp.org
2012-08-13T15:22:05 < Laurenceb> see
2012-08-13T15:22:49 < cjbaird> No-one under 30 or 300 lbs admitted.
2012-08-13T15:23:25 < cjbaird> The F4-disco 6502 simulator is working again on current toolchains \o/
2012-08-13T15:23:34 < BrainDamage> I see a distinctive lack of body disposal chimneys
2012-08-13T15:23:58 < Laurenceb> maybe they are going for mass grave option
2012-08-13T15:24:09 < dongs> lfao
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2012-08-13T15:27:37 < cjbaird> dekar: I've got my stm32/TNT setup happening again, and was poking at finding out why the TNT-compiled libopencm3 was carking it. I'm getting a hardfault in the reset_handler code: http://dpaste.org/FmK6q/
2012-08-13T15:30:47 < dongs> do opencm3 clowns ever expect to be compiled by anything besides gcc?
2012-08-13T15:31:16 < dongs> i mean fuck i think there's even a fucking intrinsic for MSR
2012-08-13T15:32:52 < dongs> __set_PSP()
2012-08-13T15:33:48 < dongs> o rite
2012-08-13T15:33:50 < dongs> tehy dont use cm3 headers either
2012-08-13T15:34:01 < dongs> "lets reinvent everyfuckingtingfromscratch and make it gcc-specific only"
2012-08-13T15:40:17 < Laurenceb> https://www.emfcamp.org/talks
2012-08-13T15:40:26 < Laurenceb> Freebase, god, and the semantic web - Spencer
2012-08-13T15:40:30 < Laurenceb> yeah maaannn
2012-08-13T15:41:08 < Laurenceb> Introduction to Esperanto - Gavan Fantom
2012-08-13T15:41:10 < Laurenceb> hahahhaa
2012-08-13T15:41:13 < dongs> lol
2012-08-13T15:42:34 < cjbaird> hexayurt? "We made a teepee that fits 6 people, dudes."
2012-08-13T15:43:02 < cjbaird> "...and its Open Source!!11"
2012-08-13T15:44:40 < dongs> <Zippy2> a 6 girl mass orgy, each licking anothers pussy in a hexagonal shape... head inbetween anothers legs..
2012-08-13T15:44:46 < dongs> is this what youre talking about cjbaird ?
2012-08-13T15:45:23 < dongs> beer, and brewing it.
2012-08-13T15:45:26 < cjbaird> I certainly hope so.
2012-08-13T15:45:27 < dongs> fucking niggers.
2012-08-13T15:45:52 < dongs> wait, wrong channel.
2012-08-13T15:46:32 < cjbaird> beer/lagers are too much bother. I have a mead recipe to get wasted on.
2012-08-13T15:46:55 < karlp> doesnt' that require a source of honey?
2012-08-13T15:48:58 < cjbaird> Yep. Not too long ago I found a supplier that's like 50% the price of usual retail, ~$5/kilo. 3 tubs of that for $15 can make about 15-18 litres of finished mead, and still manages to save me a fuckload on booze. :P
2012-08-13T15:51:07 < cjbaird> I had a distilling setup.. but living in a Repressive Regime that bans distillating ethanol, and a loudmouth housemate, wasn't going to work. :/
2012-08-13T15:51:36 < Laurenceb> http://www.tinyhousedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/800px-Hexayurt_sa.jpg
2012-08-13T15:51:50 < Laurenceb> leave australia then
2012-08-13T15:52:01 < Laurenceb> ^it seems to be made in insulation board
2012-08-13T15:52:19 < Laurenceb> and duck tape
2012-08-13T15:53:06 < cjbaird> wtf.. my brothers and I made the same thing when I was 10. Ours also went about a meter underground..
2012-08-13T15:53:31 < dongs> wtf is a hexayurt anyway.
2012-08-13T15:53:47 < cjbaird> yurt = hippie word for tent
2012-08-13T16:02:10 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/fVA1r.jpg
2012-08-13T16:11:01 <+izua_> cjbaird: you make mead?
2012-08-13T16:16:40 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEUrEPPABbY lol
2012-08-13T16:17:02 < cjbaird> izua_: http://i.imgur.com/jhPm7.jpg .. recipe and method: http://www.winemakingtalk.com/forum/f2/joe-mattiolis-ancient-orange-mead-3514/ .. works well-enough, when you've got the preparation right.. I used to do wines & etc., but I've gone with this for cheap/low effort/good enough homebrew.
2012-08-13T16:22:16 < cjbaird> dongs: flat panels on the bottom of the car?
2012-08-13T16:23:38 < dongs> ya no idea maybe some aerodynamic shit?
2012-08-13T16:24:32 < cjbaird> weeeeee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVdS8Qnvb8
2012-08-13T16:25:20 < dongs> > If I had a. sunfire I'd drive it off a cliff as well
2012-08-13T16:25:21 < dongs> lol
2012-08-13T16:25:24 < dongs> carfags.
2012-08-13T16:27:21 < ABLomas> dongs: no, no exp with that shipment type... Btw, that dude isn't affiliated with CSG_EU
2012-08-13T16:27:27 < dongs> yes he isn
2012-08-13T16:27:31 < dongs> er isn-is
2012-08-13T16:27:47 < ABLomas> and - if you disassembled that AP code... How hard is that protection?
2012-08-13T16:27:59 < dongs> um, i keygen'd it long tiem ago
2012-08-13T16:28:02 < dongs> its boring + lame
2012-08-13T16:28:06 < ABLomas> (in case you do not know - software sells for 90$)
2012-08-13T16:28:07 < ABLomas> ah
2012-08-13T16:28:09 < dongs> its not evne worth my time.
2012-08-13T16:28:17 < dongs> much liek the rest of the code, really.
2012-08-13T16:28:28 < dongs> i thought it was $100
2012-08-13T16:28:35 < ABLomas> hm
2012-08-13T16:28:51 < ABLomas> got any working key? I would like to try...
2012-08-13T16:28:54 < ABLomas> or hm...
2012-08-13T16:28:56 < dongs> its not a workign key
2012-08-13T16:28:59 < dongs> its a hash based on processor Id
2012-08-13T16:29:00 < dongs> (of course)
2012-08-13T16:29:08 < dongs> so its not transferable to another board.
2012-08-13T16:29:10 < dongs> blabla bla
2012-08-13T16:29:15 < dongs> but its a lame hash, etc.
2012-08-13T16:29:21 < dongs> plus keygen and check are both in the code
2012-08-13T16:29:28 < ABLomas> heh
2012-08-13T16:30:15 < ABLomas> too bad i do not have lots of time (to get exp with IDA, last used 7 years ago, damn, i do not have time to test baseflight GPS as promised) - would be nice to check what this AP does...
2012-08-13T16:30:17 < dongs> ill wait until he goes into full production wiht those lame green boards of his
2012-08-13T16:30:30 < dongs> then publish the info somewehre.
2012-08-13T16:30:40 < dongs> or maybe after he fixes some more bugs
2012-08-13T16:30:44 < dongs> there's nothing interesting in teh code..
2012-08-13T16:31:37 < ABLomas> then it will change protection and...
2012-08-13T16:31:48 < dongs> yes, but all old shit will work.
2012-08-13T16:31:50 < dongs> shrug
2012-08-13T16:32:05 < ABLomas> anyway, if i solder test board (doubt i will find time for that) - will you make one key for my processor hasr?
2012-08-13T16:32:08 < ABLomas> *hash
2012-08-13T16:32:35 < dongs> i could, just dont expect it immediately
2012-08-13T16:32:48 < zyp> I expect it yesterday!
2012-08-13T16:32:53 < ABLomas> sure
2012-08-13T16:32:59 < ABLomas> i'm slow builder anyway
2012-08-13T16:34:18 < dongs> youre not missing much
2012-08-13T16:34:26 < dongs> if you want OSD you gotta use that retarded hk_osd bits
2012-08-13T16:34:35 < dongs> cause he refuses to invert signal from lm1881
2012-08-13T16:34:46 < dongs> so basically its either "make shit the way I ghetto it up or fuck off"
2012-08-13T16:35:01 < ABLomas> ;-)
2012-08-13T16:35:09 < ABLomas> i'm not making money of my business
2012-08-13T16:35:13 < ABLomas> so just testing stuff
2012-08-13T16:35:21 < ABLomas> actually do not care ;-)
2012-08-13T16:35:32 < dongs> the demo mode lets you fuck around
2012-08-13T16:35:34 < dongs> without a key.
2012-08-13T16:35:56 < dongs> the check is just done once at boot or someshit.
2012-08-13T16:35:59 < dongs> and some byte is set.
2012-08-13T16:36:15 < dongs> he's got someshit like if (demomode) osd_print("LOLDEMO");
2012-08-13T16:36:24 < dongs> after that it took like 2 minutes to find the check code/keygen/etc.
2012-08-13T16:37:05 <+izua_> cjbaird: that's pretty ghetto
2012-08-13T16:39:31 < cjbaird> You /could/ pay $1000+ for the Rich White Man gear from online stores...
2012-08-13T16:39:56 <+izua_> haha
2012-08-13T16:40:05 <+izua_> no i mean, there are buckets for this, around $20
2012-08-13T16:40:39 <+izua_> ghetto winemaking being a tradition here, i've seen far worse though
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2012-08-13T16:43:06 < cjbaird> Used plastic office water cooler bottles make great brewing carboys
2012-08-13T16:44:35 < cjbaird> My grandfather got me started.. He was once a teenager making homebrew as well, although illegal in Australia at the time. :)
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2012-08-13T17:00:05 < Laurenceb> is the an xls of the f4 discovery pinout somewhere?
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2012-08-13T17:41:26 <+dekar> I am trying to load this driver: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=drivers/input/touchscreen/atmel_mxt_ts.c
2012-08-13T17:41:40 <+dekar> when I modprobe it nothing happens
2012-08-13T17:41:49 <+dekar> how do I make it attach to a i2c bus?
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2012-08-13T17:58:50 < dongs> dongs
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2012-08-13T18:15:47 < ratatata> nu
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2012-08-13T18:20:17 < karlp> f3 discovery is on mouser. no pics yet
2012-08-13T18:21:31 < dongs> fuuu
2012-08-13T18:21:48 < dongs> on digikey too
2012-08-13T18:22:46 < dongs> shipdate: 10/31/2012
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2012-08-13T18:38:15 < Laurenceb> no ref manual
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2012-08-13T19:27:51 < Laurenceb> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-w12AmjWU2rw/UCaz430HXRI/AAAAAAAAACc/vnbGWtdfMXY/s1600/406173_4088114155533_1992027443_n.jpg
2012-08-13T19:27:54 < Laurenceb> lolling
2012-08-13T19:30:16 < karlp> what am I looking at?
2012-08-13T19:31:19 < Laurenceb> morpheus lander
2012-08-13T19:31:24 < Laurenceb> or remains of it
2012-08-13T19:32:29 < Laurenceb> thats a lot of money up in smoke
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2012-08-13T19:52:46 < zippe> Actually not a whole lot
2012-08-13T19:54:28 < zippe> Consider that this:
2012-08-13T19:54:29 < zippe> http://www.primeportal.net/m1_damaged_iraq.htm
2012-08-13T19:54:39 < zippe> cost almost as much as the /entire/ Morpheus program
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2012-08-13T21:53:34 < emeb> STM32F405 + codec board starting to work - getting audio through it now: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/stm32f4_codec/index.html
2012-08-13T21:56:01 < Thorn> but it isn't  hi-fi enough! *trollface.jpg*
2012-08-13T21:56:36 < emeb> I got yer "hi-fi" right here buddy. :P
2012-08-13T21:56:47 <+Steffanx> trollfaces should be in gif!
2012-08-13T21:56:56 < emeb> or ascii
2012-08-13T21:57:19 < Thorn> no, they looks more annoynig with jpeg artifacts
2012-08-13T21:58:36 < zyp> emeb, is that four layers?
2012-08-13T21:58:43 < emeb> zyp: no - just two.
2012-08-13T21:58:52 < zyp> and no ground plane?
2012-08-13T21:58:55 < emeb> backside is mostly ground plane
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2012-08-13T22:00:05 < zyp> it's not «mostly ground plane» when it's sliced into separate sections by traces with just a little bit of connection
2012-08-13T22:00:41 <+izua> emeb: do you work with dsp?
2012-08-13T22:00:43 < Thorn> I'd definitely pour both sides and stitch the pieces together
2012-08-13T22:00:58 < zyp> Thorn, yes
2012-08-13T22:00:59 <+izua> any recommended reading for guitar effects and such, except zolzer's books?
2012-08-13T22:01:20 < emeb> izua: yes - a lot of dsp.
2012-08-13T22:01:23 <+izua> they are sparse at the very least.
2012-08-13T22:01:38 <+izua> i'm curious how people like those from amplitube or guitar rig get such epic software
2012-08-13T22:01:38 < emeb> zyp: it's not too badly sliced up.
2012-08-13T22:02:20 < zyp> the point of a ground plane is to provide a low impedance return path for signals by letting it run directly underneath
2012-08-13T22:02:44 < zyp> you kind of ruin that when you have a crossing trace underneath that the return path have to take a long detour around
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2012-08-13T22:03:03 < emeb> zyp: yep - I've been doing PCB design for a while. I know this.
2012-08-13T22:03:22 < zyp> and you still didn't add a fill on the top? :p
2012-08-13T22:04:39 < Thorn> I think ST appnotes recommend 4 layers for all stm32 designs, so one should at least try and provide a ground plane
2012-08-13T22:06:01 < emeb> If this were a production board going into volume application I'd definitely pop for 4 layers w/ internal GND/VDD. But it's a hobby board for proof of concept.
2012-08-13T22:06:55 <+Steffanx> Hobby bobby: +1 :)
2012-08-13T22:07:53 <+Steffanx> A little mistake near PA1 emeb ?
2012-08-13T22:08:14 < zyp> I noticed that as well :p
2012-08-13T22:08:34 < emeb> You mean the jumper by the reset switch?
2012-08-13T22:08:35 < zyp> but that's less important than a good ground :p
2012-08-13T22:08:45 < zyp> no, the loose end of a trace
2012-08-13T22:08:51 < zyp> near the PA0 header pad
2012-08-13T22:08:59 < zyp> sorry, PA1
2012-08-13T22:09:00 <+Steffanx> pa1
2012-08-13T22:09:30 < emeb> heh - yeah.
2012-08-13T22:09:59 < emeb> ohnoes - a stub in the line. we'll have horrible edge effects.
2012-08-13T22:10:10 < zyp> I see that you also opted to leave out the ID pin on the usb connector
2012-08-13T22:10:10 <+Steffanx> Yeah, you are dooomed
2012-08-13T22:10:34 < emeb> zyp: yep - no ID. Device only.
2012-08-13T22:10:44 < Thorn> and esd protection
2012-08-13T22:10:58 < emeb> Thorn: true enough.
2012-08-13T22:11:18 <+Steffanx> Who needs esd protection on a hobby bobby board?
2012-08-13T22:11:20  * Thorn is rubbing his synthetic shirt
2012-08-13T22:12:15 < emeb> and no ESD protection on any of the misc expansion connectors. Or EMC filters. Or... Or...
2012-08-13T22:13:58 < emeb> The next big fun thing will be trying to get the SD interface working.
2012-08-13T22:14:13 < zyp> SDIO?
2012-08-13T22:14:29 < emeb> I've hooked up both the SDIO and one of the SPI ports for that.
2012-08-13T22:14:43 < emeb> I figure that I can hi-z the one I don't use. Thoughts?
2012-08-13T22:15:41 < zyp> should be fine
2012-08-13T22:15:57 < Thorn> you just don't enable clock for the peripheral you don't use if I get you right
2012-08-13T22:16:14 < zyp> irrelevant
2012-08-13T22:16:20 <+izua> but he could use the SPI GPIO
2012-08-13T22:16:31 < zyp> you just leave the IO lines in input modes and it's fine
2012-08-13T22:17:05 < emeb> I assumed that since SD has only 4 bits that means hooking up D0-3 of the SDIO port.
2012-08-13T22:17:15 < emeb> D4-7 unused...
2012-08-13T22:22:34 < zyp> probably
2012-08-13T22:22:50 < zyp> IIRC 8-bit SDIO is equivalent to what is used for MMC
2012-08-13T22:23:11 < zyp> and then there is also 1-bit SDIO mode
2012-08-13T22:24:08 < emeb> zyp: have you used SDIO <-> SD or do you just go SPI?
2012-08-13T22:24:29 < zyp> neither, I don't have any experience on interfacing with SD cards
2012-08-13T22:24:30 < zyp> yet
2012-08-13T22:24:58 < zyp> but I would go with SDIO, I don't see any reason for using SPI when SDIO is available
2012-08-13T22:25:06 < emeb> I've done SPI->SD on a dsPIC and on an old LPC ARM. Works OK.
2012-08-13T22:25:29 < emeb> But I'd like to have things go as fast as possible in this app, so SDIO option is good to have.
2012-08-13T22:25:42 < zyp> I put a microsd socket on the last AVR board I made, hooked up to SPI, but I never wrote the software to use it
2012-08-13T22:26:14 < emeb> been there. Always nice to throw in extra goodies for possible use.
2012-08-13T22:26:44 < emeb> The USB on this board is like that - no real reason, but I had room and the sockets in the parts bin.
2012-08-13T22:27:36 < zyp> opposite for me, USB is pretty central on my board as a fast data pipe
2012-08-13T22:28:02 < zyp> so it was the first thing I got going
2012-08-13T22:30:25 < emeb> did you put on a USB ESD protection part? I've used them in production boards but not this time.
2012-08-13T22:30:30 < zyp> nah
2012-08-13T22:30:45 < zyp> like you said, why protect usb when nothing else is protected?
2012-08-13T22:31:21 < zyp> if the internal TVS diodes in the chip is good enough for the other pins, it's good enough for the USB pins too
2012-08-13T22:32:31 < emeb> ESD performance of most commercial parts these days is pretty good compared to 30 years ago when things would die if you looked at them funny.
2012-08-13T22:34:01 < zyp> yeah
2012-08-13T22:34:42 < zyp> I don't think I've killed anything of the stuff I'm playing with, and I'm not particularly careful
2012-08-13T22:34:52 < emeb> Same here.
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2012-08-13T22:35:51 < emeb> Here's the back side of that board: http://imagebin.org/224456
2012-08-13T22:36:20 < emeb> Major cuts are the SD routing on top-left, the I2S just below & center.
2012-08-13T22:36:37 < emeb> Things are mostly contiguous though.
2012-08-13T22:37:18 < emeb> The cuts across bottom right are undercutting the GPIO expansion - not critical stuff.
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2012-08-13T23:06:43 < zyp> hmm, weird
2012-08-13T23:07:19 < zyp> found the reason for some usb problem I'm having
2012-08-13T23:07:46 < karlp> no esd protection? ;)
2012-08-13T23:09:59 < zyp> looks like if I've got a pending transfer in TXFIFO 1 and then put another transfer in TXFIFO 0, while the host wants to transfer from endpoint 0, I get the data meant for endpoint 1 sent from endpoint 0
2012-08-13T23:12:04 < zyp> not really sure why that happens, but it explains why my script fails to find the device the second time I run it, it gets some messed up data from the last bulk transfer rather than the device descriptor
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2012-08-13T23:58:44 < emeb> always flush your buffers.
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2012-08-14T00:15:33 < zyp> but they are seperate
2012-08-14T00:15:50 < zyp> a pending transfer on one endpoint shouldn't affect other endpoints at all
2012-08-14T00:20:54 < emeb> That is odd.
2012-08-14T00:22:54 < emeb> I found something else odd while working on the I2S - I had to create two separate DMA_InitStructure instances when configuring the TX and RX I2S streams. When I tried to reuse just one then everything failed.
2012-08-14T00:30:00 < zyp> I'm accessing registers directly, so that doesn't apply to me
2012-08-14T00:31:25 < emeb> Yep - your peripheral access libs are a lot cleaner than the ST ones.
2012-08-14T00:32:14 < zyp> that's the point :p
2012-08-14T00:33:03 < emeb> I did an experiment a while back - coded an app w/ ST libs, then did it with raw access. Cut the code size down to about 25% of original.
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2012-08-14T04:07:39 < dongs> sup dongs
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2012-08-14T04:28:48 < bcsllc-steve> sup bcsllc-steve
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2012-08-14T05:34:09 < dongs> status, fuckers
2012-08-14T05:35:01 < Thorn> http://lars-lab.jpl.nasa.gov/JPL_Coding_Standard_C.pdf
2012-08-14T05:35:14 < dongs> that should be an interesting read
2012-08-14T05:35:29 < dongs> i fucking hope htey dont follow GNU indent style
2012-08-14T05:41:38 < zippe> Nope.  Pretty standard KNF, actually.
2012-08-14T05:42:30 < zippe> And MISRA-by-reference, only they removed all the MISRA text because MISRA are goatlovers.
2012-08-14T05:42:44 < dongs> ya heh
2012-08-14T05:42:49 < zippe> (also, they cannot spell asterisk)
2012-08-14T05:43:13 < dongs> Place no more than one statement or declaration per line of text.
2012-08-14T05:43:14 < dongs> fuck yuea
2012-08-14T05:43:18 < dongs> i fucing hate idiots doing shit like
2012-08-14T05:43:22 < dongs> if (fuckyou) { lol_jews(); }
2012-08-14T05:43:28 < zippe> And 3.17 is retarded.  stdint.h exists, idiots.
2012-08-14T05:43:30 < dongs> IT DOSNT RUN FASTER IF YOU PUT ALL THAT SHIT ON ONE LINE
2012-08-14T05:43:42 < dongs> zippe: tru, i use standard types there
2012-08-14T05:43:47 < dongs> uint32_t/uint16_t /int16_t etc
2012-08-14T05:43:59 < dongs> but maybe they have some custom JPL stdjplint.h
2012-08-14T05:44:13 < zippe> But really, if that's all there is to bitch about, it's a damn good doc
2012-08-14T05:44:36 < zippe> There are a bunch of other references at https://pixhawk.ethz.ch/px4/dev/code_style
2012-08-14T05:44:38 < Thorn> I think msvc didn't include stdint.h until recently lol
2012-08-14T05:45:06 < zippe> Microsoft hate C
2012-08-14T05:45:19 < zippe> They have flat-out said they're not doing C11
2012-08-14T05:45:25 < zippe> I can halfway understand, too
2012-08-14T05:45:28 < Thorn> LPRESULT DWORD HWND HANDLE
2012-08-14T05:45:32 < zippe> Who the hell thought _Bool was a good idea?
2012-08-14T05:45:38 < dongs> lolwut
2012-08-14T05:45:41 < dongs> _Bool?
2012-08-14T05:45:57 < zippe> Yes.  That's C11's answer to C++'s bool
2012-08-14T05:46:11 < dongs> surely its not named that retardedly?
2012-08-14T05:46:19 < zippe> Because underscore-capital is the reserved namespace
2012-08-14T05:46:22 < zippe> You had better believe it
2012-08-14T05:46:36 < dongs> is it _True and _False then too?
2012-08-14T05:47:00 < dongs> There shall be no use of dynamic memory allocation after task initialization.
2012-08-14T05:47:01 < dongs> i dig that.
2012-08-14T05:47:06 < zippe> http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n815.htm
2012-08-14T05:47:37 < cjbaird> Using automotive human safety programming standards on intergalactic space probes..
2012-08-14T05:47:44 < zippe> IFF you include <stdbool.h>, then you get bool/true/false
2012-08-14T05:47:55 < zippe> cjbaird: did you solve your reset handler problem?
2012-08-14T05:48:24 < Thorn> >intergalactic
2012-08-14T05:48:31 < dongs> interesting they don't cover indent style
2012-08-14T05:51:03 < cjbaird> zippe: not really-- I went back to using a SAT-compiled libopencm3 .. I might play with writing my own reset_handler(), and see if the suspected extra stack ops are the cause..
2012-08-14T05:53:23 < cjbaird> I've also discovered that the current SAT (I forgot to note if with linaro-4.6 or stock gcc) is producing bad code on my project with -O3 .. O2, Os are fine.
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2012-08-14T05:56:16 < Thorn> does this work for anyone? http://win-dms-ms1.caltech.edu/five/Viewer/?peid=476727664f1b4d8390d3ab37670ababd
2012-08-14T05:56:44 < dongs> install MICROSOFT SILVERLIGHT
2012-08-14T05:56:46 < dongs> so, no.
2012-08-14T05:57:33 < Thorn> well it doesn't work in IE8 either
2012-08-14T05:57:45 < dongs> thorn, did you actually install silverdong though.
2012-08-14T05:58:06 < dongs> I got called by an old boss few months ago
2012-08-14T05:58:10 < dongs> if I wanted a temp contract job
2012-08-14T05:58:14 < dongs> ... coding a silverlight website
2012-08-14T05:58:17 < Thorn> it didn't ask me to (in IE)
2012-08-14T05:58:17 < dongs> i was like wut. hell no.
2012-08-14T05:58:30 < dongs> told hte guy silverlight was deader than *BSD
2012-08-14T05:58:44 < dongs> Thorn: yea, but just goto windowsupdate or someshit and install it
2012-08-14T05:58:47 < dongs> it'll auto-work
2012-08-14T05:58:51 < dongs> i dont think it asks...
2012-08-14T05:59:01 < dongs> in chrome it just shows 'install silverlight' shite in the media player window
2012-08-14T05:59:09 < Thorn> I get this: Windows Media Player cannot play the file because there are no streaming protocols selected. Select one or more protocols, and then try again. (-1072885314)
2012-08-14T05:59:37 < dongs> printing HRESULT error codes as signed int = lol
2012-08-14T06:01:50 < Thorn> whoa works in chrome (but still not in IE lol)
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2012-08-14T09:17:40 < emeb_mac> *crickets*
2012-08-14T09:21:53 < dongs> this place is deader than *BSD
2012-08-14T09:30:18 < emeb_mac> a peaceful place.
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2012-08-14T09:31:25 < cjbaird> have a strawberry muffin: http://i.imgur.com/BLRNJ.jpg
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2012-08-14T09:41:10 < emeb_mac> looks tasty
2012-08-14T09:43:10 < cjbaird> 'a serious muffin' .. Unlike the past few day's experiments (with standard recipes from books) this one was properly muffiny-- I used self-raising flour and just the one egg; the book recipes wanted plain flour+baking powder and 2-3 eggs-- and they always turned out heavy and sticky.
2012-08-14T09:45:13 < cjbaird> Pity that strawberries are fuckexpensive. Might have to look around for cheaper suitable fruits.
2012-08-14T09:46:58 < dongs> mix some weed in there.
2012-08-14T09:49:49 <+izua> eh
2012-08-14T09:50:19 <+izua> good enough to make my mouth water
2012-08-14T09:52:11 <+izua> now i want muffins :/
2012-08-14T10:05:00 < zippe> cjbaird: re: your reset problem, it looked like your handler was missing the naked attribute.
2012-08-14T10:05:10 < dongs> why the fuck i cant find appnote that talks about hardware design cehcklist for F4
2012-08-14T10:05:13 < dongs> ive seen itb efore
2012-08-14T10:06:26 < dongs> any idea
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2012-08-14T10:14:25 < cjbaird> zippe: yep, that makes gcc-4.8.0 build reasonable-looking code..
2012-08-14T10:14:54 < zippe> Should be on all your vectors
2012-08-14T10:15:02 < zippe> It may or may not DTRT with the 'interrupt' attribute
2012-08-14T10:15:43 < zyp> huh? naked attribute on all handlers?
2012-08-14T10:15:46 < cjbaird> This is for the libopencm3 code, not 'my' vectors.
2012-08-14T10:16:30 < dongs> libopencm3 more like libFAILcm3
2012-08-14T10:16:39 < dongs> though open is generally synonymous with fail anyway.
2012-08-14T10:16:51 < dongs> amirite y/y/y/y/y/m
2012-08-14T10:16:55 < zyp> cortex-m interrupt handling is EABI compliant, so there should be no need to make any ABI changes for writing interrupt handlers
2012-08-14T10:17:27 < zippe> zyp: sorry, forget I said anything
2012-08-14T10:17:32 < zippe> I was multiplexing and failing to think
2012-08-14T10:18:04 < zippe> dongs: like "your mouth is open"
2012-08-14T10:18:09 < dongs> lo
2012-08-14T10:18:09 < cjbaird> so... just reset_handler?
2012-08-14T10:18:23 < dongs> MY reset handler is written in ASM.
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2012-08-14T10:18:30 < dongs> not some inline C bullshit that only builds with gcc.
2012-08-14T10:19:12 < cjbaird> I make muffins. Your opinion is invalid.
2012-08-14T10:19:14 < Thorn> and your asm is portable between all toolchains, rite
2012-08-14T10:19:24 < dongs> thorn, its only portable to the toolchain that matters
2012-08-14T10:19:25 < zyp> reset handler shouldn't require any special treatment either, as long as the cpu loads a valid stack pointer from the vector table at boot
2012-08-14T10:19:39 < dongs> Thorn: and libopencm3 is portable to all compilers, rite
2012-08-14T10:20:57 < Thorn> who just called it libFAILcm3?
2012-08-14T10:21:05 < dongs> <
2012-08-14T10:21:12 < cjbaird> Hmm, the "8000000: 00 00 02 20" is as it should be..
2012-08-14T10:22:38 < zyp> at the end of 128k ram
2012-08-14T10:26:08 < cjbaird> I think there's an errata about ldaim.w failing to operate on sp correctly if the lr reg is involved..
2012-08-14T10:27:01 < cjbaird> bing! .. yep, the new TNT-compiled with _atrib_ naked reset_handler() hacks makes it werk.
2012-08-14T10:28:59 < zippe> cjbaird: yes, just your reset handler
2012-08-14T10:29:19 < zippe> And dongs, you're a complete retard.  v7m is designed to work just fine with reset handlers written in C.
2012-08-14T10:29:51 < zippe> You don't even need the decorations on your reset handler if you've laid the stack out in your vector table correctly.
2012-08-14T10:30:15 < dongs> why the hell are tehre liek 200 different can transceivers
2012-08-14T10:30:19 < dongs> are they all same pinout?
2012-08-14T10:30:36 < zippe> Of course not
2012-08-14T10:30:43 < cjbaird> That's what made me suspicious with the code that TNT produced..
2012-08-14T10:31:00 < zippe> cjbaird: yes, but where is the stack?
2012-08-14T10:31:26 < zippe> And does the bss clear it?
2012-08-14T10:31:48 < zippe> if it spills something and then you zero it, that might get uglty
2012-08-14T10:32:07 < zippe> That was about all I could think of, when I was thinking
2012-08-14T10:32:09 < dongs> zyp, which one did you use
2012-08-14T10:32:38 < zyp> cheapest I could find that would run on 3.3V
2012-08-14T10:32:41 < dongs> lol
2012-08-14T10:32:52 < zyp> most require more
2012-08-14T10:32:57 < dongs> so  basically any 3.3V can transceiver works?
2012-08-14T10:33:16 < zyp> unless the specs says otherwise
2012-08-14T10:33:57 < Thorn> I think some lpc11xx have a builtin can transceiver
2012-08-14T10:34:07 < dongs> whats this D/R shit
2012-08-14T10:35:16 < dongs> i see, TX = D, RX = R
2012-08-14T10:35:38 < Thorn> wat
2012-08-14T10:36:02 < dongs> cantx = d, canrx = r
2012-08-14T10:36:05 < dongs> apparently
2012-08-14T10:36:10 < Thorn> wat
2012-08-14T10:36:10 < dongs> someone confirm/deny
2012-08-14T10:36:39 < zyp> huh?
2012-08-14T10:36:44 < dongs> lol
2012-08-14T10:36:54 < dongs> i dunno this dumb TI shit calls  those pins that.
2012-08-14T10:36:59 < dongs> zyp, which part did you use
2012-08-14T10:37:04 < dongs> and did you acutally confirm it worked
2012-08-14T10:37:06 < Thorn> link to datasheet
2012-08-14T10:37:11 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn65hvd232.pdf
2012-08-14T10:37:13 < zyp> I'll have to look it up
2012-08-14T10:37:37 < Thorn> driver & receiver
2012-08-14T10:37:49 < zyp> yeah
2012-08-14T10:38:07 < zyp> looks like same pinout as all the other ones I've looked at
2012-08-14T10:38:37 < zyp> pretty much every can transceiver in SO-8 has that pinout, except that pins 5 and 8 vary a bit
2012-08-14T10:39:00 < dongs> pin5 is some kinda half voltage shit
2012-08-14T10:39:03 < dongs> just dont use it i guess.
2012-08-14T10:40:09 < zyp> ah, right, I'm using the one you linked to
2012-08-14T10:40:10 < zyp> SN65HVD232QD
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2012-08-14T10:40:26 < zyp> I left pin5 open and wired pin8 to gnd
2012-08-14T10:40:33 < Thorn> 16KV HBM nice
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2012-08-14T10:42:18 < dongs> ok, cool
2012-08-14T10:42:21 < dongs> yeah thats waht i was gonna do
2012-08-14T10:42:38 < Thorn> looks like CAN implementations have way more builtin reliability features than rs-485 ones
2012-08-14T10:43:19 < zyp> I chose the transceiver after I ordered the board, that's why I connected pin8 even though it's NC for that particular transceiver
2012-08-14T10:43:38 < dongs> isnt it enable pin on others
2012-08-14T10:43:50 < dongs> active low or someshit
2012-08-14T10:43:54 < zyp> yes
2012-08-14T10:44:05 < zyp> where you can put a resistor to select strength
2012-08-14T10:44:21 < dongs> well wahtever that shit's goin to ground
2012-08-14T10:44:25 < zyp> :p
2012-08-14T10:45:04 < zyp> Thorn, I'm of the impression that CAN is newer, and it's intended for shit where reliability is required
2012-08-14T10:45:30 < zyp> so it makes sense
2012-08-14T10:45:42 < BrainDamage> it is newer and it is built for reliability
2012-08-14T10:45:51 < Thorn> spacewire is even more cool but no cheap or widely available chips exist
2012-08-14T10:46:06 < BrainDamage> can was invented esp for the ridicolously noisy system that are automotive networks
2012-08-14T10:46:56 < BrainDamage> I only wish the phy was as cheap as rs-485 ones :/
2012-08-14T10:48:46 < dongs> rs485 shit is usually bought in dip and put in sockets
2012-08-14T10:48:50 < dongs> as taht shit burns out often.
2012-08-14T10:48:54 < dongs> so teh cost issues are irrelevant
2012-08-14T10:49:04 < dongs> the problem is that some trash insists on talkign rs485
2012-08-14T10:49:07 < dongs> so you dont have a choice
2012-08-14T10:55:08 < BrainDamage> dongs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/B147-Hi-I-have-Autism-and-cant-always-control-Pin-/300339627443?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45eda305b3
2012-08-14T10:55:56 < dongs> BrainDamage: what am I looking at
2012-08-14T10:56:23 < BrainDamage> what's your home address so I can drop ship it there?
2012-08-14T10:56:48 < dongs> i think you want it at your home first
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2012-08-14T11:03:46 < dongs> so wtf? I dont need pullup on DP for F4?
2012-08-14T11:03:48 < dongs> for USB
2012-08-14T11:06:42 < zyp> no, it's built in
2012-08-14T11:06:43 < Thorn> it's otg, so it should have it built in
2012-08-14T11:06:48 < dongs> intersting
2012-08-14T11:06:55 < dongs> maybe ill hookup ID pin just for lulz.
2012-08-14T11:06:59 < Thorn> as it needs to connect/disconnect it based on mode
2012-08-14T11:07:00 < dongs> so i can dick aroudn with host stuff
2012-08-14T11:08:19 < zyp> I'd do it if I redid my board, since pin is free anyway and it routes along the other three usb signals
2012-08-14T11:08:41 < Thorn> you'd need an AB socket though
2012-08-14T11:08:43 < dongs> oh hm its a non-remappable pin
2012-08-14T11:08:49 < dongs> im using it for usart
2012-08-14T11:09:02 < zyp> Thorn, nah, no point if you can't provide vbus anyway
2012-08-14T11:09:43 < dongs> ok, not connectingf it then.
2012-08-14T11:10:01 < zyp> and adding shit to provide vbus starts getting unnecessary expensive if you're not going to use it anyway
2012-08-14T11:11:39 < Thorn> how do you design electronics to withstand ~10^5G? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krasnopol_%28Weapon%29
2012-08-14T11:13:38 < dongs> cute
2012-08-14T11:15:36 < Thorn> NASA also had failed mars impact probes which were supposed to hit mars with 60K G and then drill(!) the soil
2012-08-14T11:15:49 < zyp> Thorn, where did you get 10^5G from?
2012-08-14T11:16:29 < Thorn> ah wait. more like 10^4 I think
2012-08-14T11:16:42 < Thorn> not too sure though
2012-08-14T11:16:43 < zyp> still sounds high to me
2012-08-14T11:16:43 < dongs> fun fact: I had a gopro fall down flat on its lens into concrete from ~100meters up. the BGA main SoC tore itself off the pcb, even though it was sandwiched between 2 pieces of aluminum heatsink
2012-08-14T11:17:59 < Thorn> zyp: one source says 15,500G (not sure for what caliber)
2012-08-14T11:18:12 < Thorn> although it's all internet quality information
2012-08-14T11:18:17 < zyp> hmm
2012-08-14T11:18:43 < dongs> i think most mems devices are rated at liek 10k G non-operating shock
2012-08-14T11:18:43 < zyp> well, it kind of makes sense anyway
2012-08-14T11:18:54 < zyp> I was just too caught up in thinking about missiles instead
2012-08-14T11:19:48 < zyp> rocket engines with a few seconds of burn time obviously doesn
2012-08-14T11:19:59 < zyp> 't need the same acceleration as cannon launched shit
2012-08-14T11:21:27 < zyp> when I was in space tech school, we launched a sounding rocket, based on a CRV7 rocket engine
2012-08-14T11:22:13 < zyp> we did sensors for the payload, I did an accelerometer
2012-08-14T11:22:22 < zyp> measured around 70g peak
2012-08-14T11:24:12 < Thorn> more interesting uses of electronics: when underground nuclear tests were conducted, they apparently used a 1m long piece of steel, sensors at one end, control electronics on the other, with cables going up. this thing was lowered into the shaft onto the "device" until physical contact. and it did pass useful data during the explosion.
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2012-08-14T12:45:58 < Thorn> nasa seminar on flight software: explaining real time unsing the whack a kitty video from youtube.
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2012-08-14T14:37:01 < dongs> Laurenceb: roberto ravioli haz some topsecret ST shit, acc+gyro+mag in LGA28
2012-08-14T14:37:07 < dongs> SPI
2012-08-14T14:49:05 < Laurenceb> yeah the 333
2012-08-14T14:49:11 < dongs> 333?
2012-08-14T14:49:15 < dongs> LSM333?
2012-08-14T14:49:20 < Laurenceb> lsm333 i think yes
2012-08-14T14:49:31 < Laurenceb> who the hell is  roberto ravioli?
2012-08-14T14:49:40 < dongs> the virtualrobotox troll
2012-08-14T14:55:47 < dongs> so any info out on that shit?
2012-08-14T14:56:06 < zyp> yes
2012-08-14T14:56:16 < dongs> url?
2012-08-14T14:56:16 < zyp> http://www.st.com/internet/analog/product/253513.jsp
2012-08-14T14:56:27 < dongs> google couldnt even find that shit
2012-08-14T14:56:31 < dongs> fucking worthless ST site
2012-08-14T14:56:45 < zyp> well, I just googled it
2012-08-14T14:56:48 < dongs> really?
2012-08-14T14:56:49 < dongs> teh fuck
2012-08-14T14:59:34 < dongs> zyp, any better solution for wall/usb power splitting than dual schottky?
2012-08-14T14:59:47 < dongs> i.e. anode of each to usb_vcc / wall_vcc and then common to power rail?
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2012-08-14T15:02:42 < zyp> probably lots, but that's the cheapest/easiest
2012-08-14T15:09:21 < dongs> mkay
2012-08-14T15:09:55 < zyp> the obvious disadvantage is the voltage drop and associated power loss
2012-08-14T15:33:45 < dongs> right
2012-08-14T15:33:51 < dongs> but is not a big deal
2012-08-14T15:34:25 < zyp> nah, that's why I went that route on my F4 board
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2012-08-14T15:35:58 < dongs> but what shitty diode did you use?
2012-08-14T15:36:08 < dongs> doesnt M4 + sd + GPS + ?? draw a bit of current?
2012-08-14T15:37:30 < dongs> what the fucking fuck
2012-08-14T15:37:32 < dongs> that ST shit
2012-08-14T15:37:43 < dongs> why does it have SPI signals for each part inside
2012-08-14T15:39:03 < dongs> it looks like just ST's acc+mag chip + gyro chip inside same package
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2012-08-14T15:44:19 < dongs> why the hell does ST keep pumping out fail
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2012-08-14T15:58:42 < karlp> bleh, got moonlight/silverlight chrome extension, chrome refuses to instlal it, they've dropped support for third party extensions
2012-08-14T15:59:57 < karlp>  Previously, users could click on a link to a *.crx file, and Chrome would offer to install the file after a few warnings. After Chrome 21, such files must be downloaded an dragged onto the Chrome settings page.
2012-08-14T16:00:01 < karlp> awesome
2012-08-14T16:09:20 < dongs> yes
2012-08-14T16:09:28 < dongs> same for extensions other htan shit off store.chrome.or wahtever
2012-08-14T16:20:09 < karlp> well, I installed it, and it didn't work anyway
2012-08-14T16:20:20 < karlp> so I guess I'll just do some work instead of watching videos :)
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2012-08-14T18:09:46 < zyp> hi
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2012-08-14T18:29:32 < dongs> blog
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2012-08-14T18:58:53 < Laurenceb> boring shit
2012-08-14T18:59:24 < Laurenceb> trying to get shit organised... managers have been in a meeting for 5 hours now - talking about rugby
2012-08-14T18:59:40 < Laurenceb> you couldnt make this up
2012-08-14T19:06:29 < Laurenceb> guess i may as well watch pron then go home
2012-08-14T19:08:11 < dongs> good plan
2012-08-14T19:08:12 < dongs> slepetime
2012-08-14T19:11:42 < jpa-> hmm, i wonder if there is any nice small C++ iostream library
2012-08-14T19:15:30 < zippe> jpa-: not really, no
2012-08-14T19:15:47 < jpa-> i wonder if there should be one
2012-08-14T19:16:16 < enots> c++ cant be nice and small )
2012-08-14T19:16:22 < jpa-> normal gcc vector<> etc. seem perfectly usable on cortex-m3 scale
2012-08-14T19:17:34 < zippe> When you say "normal gcc vector", what you mean is the STL that comes with newlib?
2012-08-14T19:19:07 < jpa-> hmm is it really from newlib and not gcc's own STL?
2012-08-14T19:19:22 < jpa-> (i mean libstdc++)
2012-08-14T19:19:47 < zippe> glibc++ is what gets packaged with newlib, yes
2012-08-14T19:20:09 < zippe> It is not "nice" or "small"
2012-08-14T19:21:01 < zippe> I have built uSTL
2012-08-14T19:21:17 < zippe> However, it has alignment issues that I never managed to fix, and it has been abandoned by the maintainer.
2012-08-14T19:21:57 < Thorn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/921180/how-can-i-ensure-that-a-division-of-integers-is-always-rounded-up
2012-08-14T19:22:47 < zippe> Huh, I say that and now he's committing to it again
2012-08-14T19:24:48 < jpa-> ah, ustl may be just what i want
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2012-08-14T19:29:02 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDFmD4pjbkY
2012-08-14T19:29:05 < karlp> dongs: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143872
2012-08-14T19:29:50 < karlp> Thorn: why/how does that have 710k views?
2012-08-14T19:30:16 < karlp> oh, it is smaller than I thought...
2012-08-14T19:30:39 < karlp> never mind
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2012-08-14T20:02:06 < Thorn> calling usb experts concerning interrupt IN transfers
2012-08-14T20:02:35 < Thorn> do they happen "automagically" or does a device driver need to poll the device?
2012-08-14T20:09:03 < zippe> The hardware polls the device
2012-08-14T20:09:18 < zippe> USB is all master/slave, devices can never send anything; they are always pollewd
2012-08-14T20:09:33 < Thorn> right
2012-08-14T20:09:44 < zippe> interrupt endpoints are the same deal
2012-08-14T20:09:50 <+izua> Thorn: not sure if helping, i know that data sent from clients to the host isn't sent, but buffered untill the host polls for it, and it keeps polling in a pretty specific fashion
2012-08-14T20:09:51 < zippe> They're just dataless
2012-08-14T20:11:05 < Thorn> but if I'm not mistaken someone in this channel once said that polling for interrupt transfers is done by device drivers. so my question was if it's hardware / low level os drivers / whatever or the device driver
2012-08-14T20:12:22 < Thorn> (for reference, you can see here that interrupt transfers are host initiated http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb4.shtml#Interrupt )
2012-08-14T20:14:28 < Thorn> and the polling rate is spcified in the endpoint descriptor btw
2012-08-14T20:14:49 < zyp> how it's done obviously depends on the host implementation
2012-08-14T20:15:21 < zyp> but I would imagine most host controllers does the job of polling automatically
2012-08-14T20:19:04 < Thorn> linux drivers need to set polling interval http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg15759.html
2012-08-14T20:30:20 < Thorn> I wonder how stm32 OTG controllers do it btw
2012-08-14T20:47:30 < zyp> hmm
2012-08-14T20:48:13 < zyp> looks like it has two transfer queues, one for periodic transfers (interrupt, isochronous) and one for nonperiodic transfers (control, bulk)
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2012-08-15T01:19:36 < TitanMKD> bye
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2012-08-15T04:16:47 < dongs> hello dongs
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2012-08-15T05:02:17 < dongs> sup trolls/troleees
2012-08-15T05:02:18 < dongs> no chats eh
2012-08-15T05:03:57 < karlp> busy donging, sorry
2012-08-15T05:04:32 < karlp> flyback: "Sorry, this video is unavailable from your location"
2012-08-15T05:05:52 < dongs> also karlp how did you find me on eve online foruoms
2012-08-15T05:10:34 < karlp> I'm clevah... ?
2012-08-15T05:10:52 < karlp> more importantly, emma watson was out partying last weekend
2012-08-15T05:11:00 < karlp> and I was at home finishing kegs of beer with men.
2012-08-15T05:11:01 < karlp> failing!
2012-08-15T05:11:15 < karlp> well, not really, we succeeded quite well at finishing the kegs
2012-08-15T05:14:45 < dongs> who
2012-08-15T05:15:30 < karlp> not you?
2012-08-15T05:15:54 < karlp> but now, bed thyme!
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2012-08-15T07:32:54 < dongs> http://www.writelonger.com/ just waht I need
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2012-08-15T08:55:24 < zippe> kk
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2012-08-15T09:40:48 < cjbaird> negotiation tactic: wear motorcycle gear when arguing with a shop keeper about being ripped-off $100..
2012-08-15T09:44:56 < zippe> Your local shopkeepers sound like pushovers
2012-08-15T09:45:54 < cjbaird> this is a good thing
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2012-08-15T09:59:57 < zyp> my negotiation tactic is being nice towards customer service personell, I figure them not having to deal with a shitty customer increase the likelyhood of being nice back
2012-08-15T10:07:52 < cjbaird> An acceptible behavour when you haven't just been screwed over but a shopgrunt that's trying to use 'Store Policy' as a back-out. "So.. what happens if I leave this [$200 of spoiled produce] here where I left it?" "Er, the store would rather you take it with you.." "I've been ripped-off 200 bux; I don't give a shit."
2012-08-15T10:20:36 < dongs> lol, dongs
2012-08-15T10:20:44 < dongs> protip: don't buy $200 worth of produce at once
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2012-08-15T10:24:25 < zyp> cjbaird, I don't really understand the situation in your argument
2012-08-15T10:25:18 < zyp> who fucked up what to create the situation?
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2012-08-15T10:28:37 < dongs> time to try out my JST crimper
2012-08-15T10:29:13 < cjbaird> Stopped looking at "ted.com"
2012-08-15T10:30:24 < cjbaird> Elites regurgiating generic ideas.
2012-08-15T10:34:31 < cjbaird> ..another stupid idea-- the guy trying to push a seebak/thermoelectric effect device to use NaTuRaL fEuL to recharge your iphone-- only $299.99! Needs enough wood to burn for 12 hours to recharge one phone! It's iEcoGreen!
2012-08-15T10:35:23 < cjbaird> They even have moot on there, lying his fucking face off about how much he luuuuves Anonymous.
2012-08-15T10:35:43 < dongs> lol, moot.
2012-08-15T10:39:35 < dongs> ok fuck this
2012-08-15T10:39:37 < dongs> crimping is not for me
2012-08-15T10:40:06 < dongs> gonna pay china $0.001/crimp to do it
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2012-08-15T12:41:54 < dongs> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229190_406177729432041_2115354626_n.jpg
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2012-08-15T13:27:12 < Thorn> so f4 has two usb controllers, FS and HS
2012-08-15T13:27:33 < Thorn> the HS one has 5 pipes in device mode while the FS one has 3
2012-08-15T13:27:52 < Thorn> and it has a builtin FS PHY
2012-08-15T13:28:08 < Thorn> so why the FS controller?
2012-08-15T13:29:15 < zyp> because then you have two.
2012-08-15T13:30:20 < Thorn> you can use them at the same time?
2012-08-15T13:30:40 < dongs> i heard you like usb
2012-08-15T13:30:56 < dongs> so i connected ur fs controlelr to ur hs controller so you could usb while you usb.
2012-08-15T13:32:55 < Laurenceb_> is there CDC code for F4 usb that doesnt involve chibios?
2012-08-15T13:33:37 < Thorn> um1021 6.7.5
2012-08-15T13:33:38 < dongs> niggyos
2012-08-15T13:33:52 < dongs> what are you doign with USB+CDC+F4?
2012-08-15T13:35:37 < zyp> Thorn, of course you can, why wouldn't you?
2012-08-15T13:36:06 < zyp> Laurenceb_, I believe libopencm3 also have some
2012-08-15T13:36:17 < Laurenceb_> oh yeah
2012-08-15T13:36:21 < Laurenceb_> think i was that
2012-08-15T13:36:26 < Laurenceb_> *saw
2012-08-15T13:36:27 < Thorn> for 10e6 reasons, e.g. on f103 usb shares memory with CAN so you can't use them at the same time
2012-08-15T13:36:49 < zyp> f103 use a completely different controller
2012-08-15T13:36:51 < Laurenceb_> but i cant get libopencm3 to compile properly with codesourcery
2012-08-15T13:37:19 < Thorn> sure. it was an example
2012-08-15T13:37:45 < dongs> Laurenceb_: amazing, it fails to compile wiht gcc
2012-08-15T13:37:48 < dongs> and it w as made for gcc only
2012-08-15T13:37:56 < zyp> Thorn, but that's ok, then you can either use usb or can, makes sens
2012-08-15T13:38:00 < dongs> i need to do cdc on  f103 again (:
2012-08-15T13:38:14 < zyp> Thorn, but being able to use either usb or usb doesn't really make sense, does it?
2012-08-15T13:38:20 < dongs> haha
2012-08-15T13:39:10 < zyp> usb and can in f103 shares both the same pins, so you can only hook up one at a time anyway
2012-08-15T13:39:12 < Thorn> for a usb to can interface, as an example, the former does, the latter doesn't
2012-08-15T13:39:18 < dongs> zyp: uh what
2012-08-15T13:39:21 < zyp> OTG_FS and OTG_HS are on completely different pins
2012-08-15T13:39:34 < Thorn> CAN can be remapped to different pins
2012-08-15T13:40:41 < karlp> Laurenceb_: what wasn't compiling for you?
2012-08-15T13:40:51 < Laurenceb_> stack index stuff
2012-08-15T13:40:58 < dongs> Thorn: yea lol, to extosc pins
2012-08-15T13:41:03 < dongs> Thorn: thus preventing you from using USB
2012-08-15T13:41:08 < dongs> since you cant run that off intrc
2012-08-15T13:41:12 < Laurenceb_> i thought i managed to hack the linker script make it work
2012-08-15T13:41:27 < dongs> pretty clever
2012-08-15T13:41:28 < Laurenceb_> but the code was doing mad stuff in the reset handler
2012-08-15T13:41:43 < cjbaird> The Daily Muffin: http://i.imgur.com/0QNXy.jpg  (apple + rum sultana)
2012-08-15T13:41:46 < dongs> Laurenceb_: someone was having exactly same problem recently
2012-08-15T13:41:47 < Laurenceb_> i could ask fnobel/hallam for advice
2012-08-15T13:41:55 < Laurenceb_> know them from uni
2012-08-15T13:42:18 < Thorn> in f103v, there're 2 remaps for CAN that do not conflict with the oscillator
2012-08-15T13:42:25 < Laurenceb_> they seem to be doing most of the libopencm3 dev these days
2012-08-15T13:43:29 < dongs> libopencm3 will never be taken seriously until it supports more than gcc
2012-08-15T13:43:31 < dongs> and stops using gccisms
2012-08-15T13:43:40 < dongs> until then its just another opensores project with no future
2012-08-15T13:46:23 < Laurenceb_> theres got to be an ST example somewhere
2012-08-15T13:46:29 < dongs> nope
2012-08-15T13:46:37 < dongs> no fucking idea why
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2012-08-15T13:46:46 < dongs> ST examplesa re nearly worthless anyway
2012-08-15T13:47:40 < Thorn> Laurenceb: um1021 6.7.5
2012-08-15T13:48:04 < Thorn> ^^ official CDC example for OTG
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2012-08-15T13:49:24 < Laurenceb_> aha thanx
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2012-08-15T13:53:05 < Thorn> wth is tasking?
2012-08-15T13:53:19 < dongs> in what context?
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2012-08-15T13:53:40 < dongs> tasking is some lame IDE shit from altium dudes
2012-08-15T13:53:48 < Thorn> freertos c-m3 tasking port, usb otg examples support tasking
2012-08-15T13:53:53 < dongs> must be that then
2012-08-15T13:53:57 < Thorn> thought so
2012-08-15T13:54:09 < Thorn> thanks
2012-08-15T13:56:00 < Thorn> so basically if you want compatibility, do not use f103 usb because it's incompatible with anything else?
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2012-08-15T14:02:18 < dongs> yeah
2012-08-15T14:02:20 < dongs> pretty much
2012-08-15T14:02:25 < dongs> except F103 is the cheapest shit ever :)
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2012-08-15T14:06:26 < ratatata> nu
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2012-08-15T14:09:50 < Thorn> if ((0x80 & epnum) == 0x80) {  ep = &pdev->dev.in_ep[epnum & 0x7F]; } else { ep = &pdev->dev.out_ep[epnum]; }
2012-08-15T14:09:59 < Thorn> ^^ from the OTG driver
2012-08-15T14:10:17 < Thorn> can't you just do epnum & 0x7F without the if
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2012-08-15T14:15:07 < jpa-> Thorn: depends on if epnum is 8 bits or more
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2012-08-15T14:16:06 < Thorn> should be 8 bits, with bit 7 specifying IN or OUT afair
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2012-08-15T14:16:41 < BrainDamage> tasking in a os means pseudo threads implemented using context switch and a scheduler
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2012-08-15T14:17:52 < jpa-> BrainDamage: what is the difference from real threads?
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2012-08-15T14:18:33 < BrainDamage> that even in a multicore environment, they won't get dispatched on diff elaboration units
2012-08-15T14:19:50 < Thorn> #elif defined  (__TASKING__)  /* TASKING Compiler */
2012-08-15T14:20:08 < BrainDamage> ok that clears it up then
2012-08-15T14:20:20 < BrainDamage> that's a really bad choice for a name :/
2012-08-15T14:20:37 < BrainDamage> I should invent a compiler and call it linker
2012-08-15T14:20:40 < Thorn> CAN is the worst
2012-08-15T14:20:41 < BrainDamage> or process scheduler
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2012-08-15T14:21:50 < jpa-> just call it "the code"
2012-08-15T14:29:11 < Thorn> at least this library is separated into low and high level drivers
2012-08-15T14:29:27 < Thorn> but code quality is flawless as always
2012-08-15T14:29:41 < Thorn> dongs probably writes better code with his dong
2012-08-15T14:29:46 < karlp> Laurenceb: were you building libopencm3 with TNT?
2012-08-15T14:45:17 < cjbaird> I'm getting opencm3 joys with TNT now..
2012-08-15T14:48:05 < cjbaird> No-one's stopping the other compiler users from contributing support to the project... wait, well, being parasitic fuckers kinda nixes that..
2012-08-15T14:53:02 < karlp> I've just been using it with arm launchpad, and it'ðs been lovely
2012-08-15T15:31:13 < dongs> sup
2012-08-15T15:31:43 < dongs> cjbaird: its impossible if the entire prpoject depends on gcc hacks
2012-08-15T15:36:44 < karlp> so there's the asm inline bit that should be replaced, but nothing else is gcc ism
2012-08-15T15:36:50 < karlp> just one line in the reset handler
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2012-08-15T15:46:58 < dongs> karlp: uh... how about named struct initializers?
2012-08-15T15:47:33 < jpa-> isn't that standard C99?
2012-08-15T15:47:46 < dongs> no compiler besides gcc supportsa that
2012-08-15T15:48:12 < jpa-> their fault
2012-08-15T15:48:18 < jpa-> (and clang does :)
2012-08-15T15:48:47 < jpa-> "oh noes, 13 years is such a short time, no way we can have C99 support!"
2012-08-15T15:49:34 < dongs> righto.
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2012-08-15T16:46:20 < Laurenceb_> does F4 discovery support usb otg host?
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2012-08-15T16:52:38 < Laurenceb_> lol ST package fatfs in example code
2012-08-15T17:08:08 < Laurenceb_> how feasible is it to turn ST virtual com port code into acm code?
2012-08-15T17:19:04 < zyp> Laurenceb_, yes, it has circuits for vbus output and everything
2012-08-15T17:23:54 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2012-08-15T17:24:01 < Laurenceb_> https://www.das-labor.org/trac/browser/microcontroller/src-stm32f4xx/serialUSB/usbd_cdc_vcp.c
2012-08-15T17:24:21 < Laurenceb_> i can use the functions that have been added there to use VCP for debug output
2012-08-15T17:24:35 < Laurenceb_>  - they added VCP_send_str etc
2012-08-15T17:25:12 < Laurenceb_> but all the data will be echoes on USART
2012-08-15T17:25:20 < Laurenceb_> *echoed
2012-08-15T17:25:50 < Laurenceb_> unless I rewrite the usb code so its proper ACM
2012-08-15T17:26:26 < Laurenceb_> zyp: do you know how ACM differs? VCP doesnt look very complex - an 8 byte control struct gets sent to third endpoint to config the serial
2012-08-15T17:27:00 < zyp> I haven't looked very closely
2012-08-15T17:27:24 < Laurenceb_> maybe i should read the chibios code
2012-08-15T17:27:27 < zyp> (I haven't got started on classes yet in my stack)
2012-08-15T17:27:58 < Laurenceb_> i just want quick and dirty debug output on my discovery
2012-08-15T17:36:27 < karlp> you should fix up ITM/SWO stuff for us all then
2012-08-15T17:37:22 < Laurenceb_> i want 2 way comms to talk to a gui
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2012-08-15T17:38:38 < karlp> sounds like you're not after "quick and dirty debug output" then at all
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2012-08-15T17:50:13 < Laurenceb_> ewww
2012-08-15T17:50:17 < Laurenceb_> ACM is nasty
2012-08-15T17:50:31 < Laurenceb_> its designed for AT modems and as a result is excessively complex
2012-08-15T17:50:57 < Laurenceb_> think ill just use the haxored VCP code
2012-08-15T17:51:17 < Laurenceb_> rather than taking chibios descriptors, as the transport seems slightly different
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2012-08-15T17:52:12 < Laurenceb_> chibios ACM has USB_CDC_DATA_AVAILABLE_EP, USB_CDC_DATA_REQUEST_EP and USB_CDC_INTERRUPT_REQUEST_EP
2012-08-15T17:52:14 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2012-08-15T17:52:44 < Laurenceb_> the ST VCP code just has bulk in and out, and a control endpoint that gets 8 byte control structs for baud parity etc
2012-08-15T17:52:53 < dongs> yeah
2012-08-15T17:52:56 < dongs> thats all there is
2012-08-15T17:53:39 < dongs> waht does i2c do when tehre's 2 devices on same address?
2012-08-15T17:53:45 < Laurenceb_> i suspect applying the chibios descriptors to the st code will fail horribly
2012-08-15T17:53:46 < dongs> does it shit itself
2012-08-15T17:53:48 < Laurenceb_> select both
2012-08-15T17:54:08 < dongs> yeah? and
2012-08-15T17:54:12 < dongs> what happen when you had that ADC and baro
2012-08-15T17:54:14 < dongs> on 0xEE
2012-08-15T17:54:17 < Laurenceb_> then they both talk at once
2012-08-15T17:54:21 < dongs> heh
2012-08-15T17:54:35 < Laurenceb_> i solved the issue by forcing the adc to convert
2012-08-15T17:54:42 < Laurenceb_> then it wont respond until ready
2012-08-15T17:54:56 < dongs> heh
2012-08-15T17:55:05 < dongs> i dont think im gonna be able to do that
2012-08-15T17:55:13 < dongs> acutally maybe
2012-08-15T17:55:16 < dongs> cause I have xclr from baro
2012-08-15T17:55:18 < dongs> on a pin
2012-08-15T17:55:24 < dongs> so i can just reset that fucker and keep it in reset.
2012-08-15T17:55:52 < Laurenceb_> it may drift on wakeup
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2012-08-15T17:56:12 < dongs> it will not be used
2012-08-15T17:56:23 < dongs> this is to select between bmp085 and that shitty german one
2012-08-15T17:56:25 < Laurenceb_> Groundbreaking Application for InvenSense® Gyro in World's First Motion-Activated Screwdriver from Black & Decker
2012-08-15T17:56:25 < Laurenceb_>   
2012-08-15T17:56:31 < dongs> lawl
2012-08-15T17:56:32 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2012-08-15T17:59:17 < dongs> hmm so I put BMP in reset first, and query 0xEE, if something's there its the other shit
2012-08-15T17:59:33 < dongs> the other shit doesnt have any ID register
2012-08-15T17:59:34 < dongs> so fucking dumb
2012-08-15T17:59:59 < dongs> so what do you do wiht this motion screwdriver
2012-08-15T18:00:03 < dongs> activate it by making 'screwing' motion?
2012-08-15T18:02:59 < dongs> kinda lame raping BMP at first though but I guess if its connected theres no other way ot shut it up
2012-08-15T18:03:04 < Thorn> they should have made a screw activated screwdriver instead
2012-08-15T18:05:35 < cjbaird> Something that detects when it's camming the head of the screw.
2012-08-15T18:07:47 < zippe> cjbaird: you want something like ABS for screws
2012-08-15T18:08:06 < cjbaird> :D
2012-08-15T18:08:20 < zippe> cjbaird: preferably quick enough to detect the shift from elastic to inelastic deformation of the screw head
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2012-08-15T18:21:22 < dongs> Laurenceb_: haha http://www.procerus.com/productsKestrelAutopilot.php
2012-08-15T18:21:28 < dongs> guess what fucking CPU those retards are using
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2012-08-15T18:22:49 < dongs> asshole :(
2012-08-15T18:25:38 < zyp> isn't everybody and his cat using F4 for autopilots nowadays?
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2012-08-15T18:26:23 < zyp> or, since you are bashing them so, let me guess avr?
2012-08-15T18:26:24 < BrainDamage> wait when F5 will come out
2012-08-15T18:27:04 < karlp> lockheed using avr? seems unliekly
2012-08-15T18:27:21 < dongs> zyp, its rabbit 3000 or 4000.
2012-08-15T18:27:27 < dongs> 29mhz 8bit oddball garbage NOBODY fucking uses.
2012-08-15T18:27:54 < zyp> says rcm3400
2012-08-15T18:27:59 < dongs> ya.
2012-08-15T18:28:03 < zyp> never heard of it
2012-08-15T18:28:15 < dongs> http://www.digi.com/products/wireless-wired-embedded-solutions/solutions-on-module/rabbitcore/rcm3400#overview this shit.
2012-08-15T18:28:24 < zyp> yeah, I can also google
2012-08-15T18:28:45 < dongs> it is shit though.
2012-08-15T18:29:06 < karlp> however, if you're not rewriting software for it, and just building your system with it, who cares if it works?
2012-08-15T18:29:13 < karlp> this hardly looks like diy
2012-08-15T18:30:12 < Thorn> rabbit is that thing with lots of builtin libraries?
2012-08-15T18:35:22 < Thorn> I'm out of USB ports. using 6 now (not counting normal pc peripherals)
2012-08-15T18:35:39 < zippe> The Rabbit's not so bad if you ignore their compiler.
2012-08-15T18:36:04 < zippe> sdcc generates reasonable code for it
2012-08-15T18:36:13 < dongs> heh
2012-08-15T18:36:20 < cjbaird> CAn't make CP/M boxen out of them. :/
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2012-08-15T18:46:04 < cjbaird> I wouldn't be surprised if Rabbit's customers were all old farts in their 50-60s..
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2012-08-15T18:47:08 < BrainDamage> Thorn: get a pci-e usb port card
2012-08-15T18:47:23 < BrainDamage> hubs are for low traffic stuff
2012-08-15T18:48:46 < zyp> do you have so many high-bandwidth usb devices?
2012-08-15T18:50:33 < Thorn> so if usb hubs broadcast everything to all ports, you could do a keylogging mouse?
2012-08-15T18:51:36 < zyp> provided it's the same speed as the keyboard
2012-08-15T18:53:04 < BrainDamage> there's hubs and switches, switches intelligently reroute traffic to the target
2012-08-15T18:53:48 < zyp> and usb hubs are pretty much a mix of both
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2012-08-15T21:27:45 < zippe> Umm, no.
2012-08-15T21:28:36 < zippe> The hub/switch distinction only means something in the case of a multi-master fabric
2012-08-15T21:30:13 < zyp> how so?
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2012-08-15T21:45:33 < zippe> A hub is a virtual wire; everyone talks to everyone
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2012-08-15T21:46:01 < zippe> A switch is a (virtual or literal) crossbar, for each packet the source port is connected to the destination port
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2012-08-15T22:29:26 < Thorn> so in case of one master and multiple slaves (USB), slaves will receive data for other slaves in case of a hub and will not if there's a switch, no?
2012-08-15T22:31:02 < zyp> this discussion is pretty pointless
2012-08-15T22:31:40 <+izua> are there usb hubs that act like ethernet hubs? aren't usb hubs acting like ethernet switches?
2012-08-15T22:32:26 < zyp> no, both are wrong, usb hubs acts as usb hubs
2012-08-15T22:32:32 <+izua> i know there are usb 'splitter' cables which are small enough that they probably don't have electronics enough, sort of like a T junction, one father slot on one end, one mother slot at the other, and a long cable
2012-08-15T22:32:38 < zyp> which shares some properties with each
2012-08-15T22:32:38 <+izua> and you can chain 'em together
2012-08-15T22:33:22 <+izua> well. a switch would switch packets around. a hub wouldn't. that's the kind of behaviour i'm pointing to
2012-08-15T22:33:43 < Thorn> why the hell can frames are only 8 bytes. I need to send 12
2012-08-15T22:33:49 < zyp> and usb hubs does both depending on the occation
2012-08-15T22:33:56 <+izua> and as far as i know, a usb hub isolates data streams, since you can plug mixed speed devices, and not be limited to the lowest speed.
2012-08-15T22:34:21 <+izua> hmm
2012-08-15T22:34:42 <+izua> i have no idea
2012-08-15T22:35:01 <+izua> but i know my keyboard becomes very slow when i plug in my usbtiny avr programmer and run it
2012-08-15T22:35:54 <+izua> it might be the fact that it's a low speed device, or the fact that it bitbangs data bit by bit, or both..
2012-08-15T22:36:28 <+izua> i have yet to find a decent usb hub
2012-08-15T22:36:31 < Thorn> interrupt transfers have proprity over bulk (assuming the programmer uses bulk of course)
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2012-08-15T22:40:35 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/XBEiy.png
2012-08-15T22:41:26 < zyp> this is taken with the analyzer connected downstream of a hub, to my F4 board
2012-08-15T22:41:41 < zyp> it enumerates as device 14
2012-08-15T22:42:24 < zyp> device 15 is the blackmagic probe, plugged into the same hub, traffic is caused by me starting gdb and connecting to it
2012-08-15T22:42:34 < zyp> it was plugged into the hub before the trace started
2012-08-15T22:43:10 < zyp> also plugged into the hub is the usb analyzer itself, but HS traffic is not visible on FS ports
2012-08-15T22:44:17 < zyp> this demonstrates that one FS device can see traffic to other FS devices
2012-08-15T22:45:05 < zyp> hmm, but not _from_
2012-08-15T22:45:38 < zyp> I didn't capture any IN transfers from device 15
2012-08-15T22:46:27 < Thorn> that's a short enumeration. I've seen >10 requests for my attempt at HID
2012-08-15T22:47:23 < Thorn> including a lot of "get status" requests which it didn't implement
2012-08-15T22:47:57 < zyp> yes, my device is set as vendor specific class, so it doesn't do anything more than assign an address and read the device descriptor
2012-08-15T22:48:37 < zyp> it can't really do much more, it doesn't have any driver for it
2012-08-15T22:48:52 < zyp> it as in the operating system
2012-08-15T22:50:20 < Thorn> looks like a usb analyzer is pretty essential
2012-08-15T22:50:24 < zyp> it doesn't need to do more either, I'm using libusb in my application to select a configuration and communicate directly with bulk endpoints
2012-08-15T22:50:41 < zyp> depends on what you do
2012-08-15T22:51:51 < Thorn> I printf-debugged my usb device, wasn't particularly fun
2012-08-15T22:51:52 < zyp> if you only work with higher layers, using a soft analyzer like wireshark to just capture on the host might be enough
2012-08-15T22:52:44 < zyp> knowing exactly what goes on on the line is nice when writing everything from ground up though
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2012-08-15T22:53:35 < Thorn> I wonder if a ULPI PHY + MCU would make a workable analyzer
2012-08-15T22:55:29 < zippe> Thorn: Most sniffers are a phy and an FPGA
2012-08-15T22:55:47 < zippe> Since you want more detail than you get from a regular USB MAC, and most micros are too slow
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2012-08-15T22:56:42 < Thorn> a usb mac isn't going to have a listen only mode, is it
2012-08-15T22:57:30 < zippe> That'd depend a lot on how smart it was
2012-08-15T22:58:02 < zippe> The dumber, the better
2012-08-15T22:59:31 < zyp> the synopsys stuff used in F4 is kind of too smart
2012-08-15T22:59:35 < zyp> as in over-engineered
2012-08-15T23:03:01 < zippe> It's also buggy as hell
2012-08-15T23:03:30 < zyp> more complexity gives more potential for bugs
2012-08-15T23:04:39 < Thorn> are these bugs documented anywhere?
2012-08-15T23:07:32 < zyp> zippe, you don't happen to know why pending data in the TX fifo for IN endpoint 1 may be sent instead of the data sent as the IN response to a control transfer? :p
2012-08-15T23:09:28 < zyp> I've observed behavior that suggests that it's happening, but I haven't had time to isolate and test what is causing it
2012-08-15T23:11:02 < zyp> though, it's probably just my hackish code that is doing something not entirely as intended and hitting some weird quirk
2012-08-15T23:16:59 < zippe> zyp: have you overrun the FIFO?
2012-08-15T23:17:16 < zyp> how?
2012-08-15T23:17:26 < zippe> I know *of* many bugs in the Synopsys RTL, but I have studiously avoided any intimate involvement
2012-08-15T23:18:10 < zippe> zyp: bad FIFO layout configuration, perhaps?
2012-08-15T23:18:23 < zyp> I've double checked that
2012-08-15T23:18:35 < zippe> Ok.  FIFOs are all nice large round number-sized?
2012-08-15T23:18:43 < zyp> yes
2012-08-15T23:19:19 < zyp> 256B each, and I operate with packets way smaller than that
2012-08-15T23:20:23 < zippe> You may want to look at the Linux otg/dwc driver for ideas.
2012-08-15T23:20:55 < zyp> yeah
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2012-08-15T23:23:51 < Thorn> btw, is there any better documentation for these cores anywhere?
2012-08-15T23:25:24 < zippe> If you are willing to NDA with Synopsys, yes.
2012-08-15T23:27:04 < zyp> fun fact: there is a bunch of registers present in those which is not documented in the stm32 reference manual
2012-08-15T23:27:37 < zyp> bunch of ID registers containing number of endpoints and total fifo memory available and so on
2012-08-15T23:28:41 < zyp> found out once I was reading some other driver code that used those to detect it dynamically
2012-08-15T23:28:54 < zyp> they are present with valid values in stm32 too
2012-08-15T23:29:53 < Thorn> they're these, correct? http://www.synopsys.com/IP/InterfaceIP/USB/Pages/default.aspx
2012-08-15T23:30:10 < zyp> yep
2012-08-15T23:30:17 < Thorn> (USB 1.1 Controller IP & USB 2.0 Controller IP)
2012-08-15T23:34:31 < zippe> It's weird; I can find patches submitting the non-3.0 DWC code to Linux, but not the actual code on kernel.org
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2012-08-15T23:35:29 < zyp> sounds like they didn't get merged
2012-08-15T23:41:06 < Thorn> I found this http://svn.dd-wrt.com/browser/src/linux/universal/linux-3.2/drivers/usb/dwc
2012-08-15T23:41:59 < zippe> Somewhat newer version here:
2012-08-15T23:42:00 < zippe> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~atm26/ephemeral/rpi/dwc_otg/dwc_otg_attr.c
2012-08-15T23:42:08 < zippe> Note that these are for the HS block
2012-08-15T23:42:22 < zippe> er
2012-08-15T23:42:22 < zippe> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~atm26/ephemeral/rpi/dwc_otg/
2012-08-15T23:42:38 < zyp> FS and HS are pretty much compatible
2012-08-15T23:43:32 < Thorn> and no device support, only host?
2012-08-15T23:44:00 < zippe> hmm?  No, _hcd = host controller, _pcd = peripheral controller
2012-08-15T23:44:20 < Thorn> ah. st driver calls it DCD
2012-08-15T23:44:37 < Laurenceb_> whats symopsis?
2012-08-15T23:44:52 < zippe> Synopsys are the IP vendor that ST licensed their USB controllers from
2012-08-15T23:44:56 < Laurenceb_> oh
2012-08-15T23:45:33 < Thorn> now that you called it symopsis, it's not going to work for you
2012-08-15T23:45:57 < zyp> apparently also the ethernet controller, I hope it's not as horrible
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2012-08-15T23:54:14 < zippe> I know that the NuttX guys are having some mystery issues with it
2012-08-15T23:57:15 < Thorn> synopsys only allows customers to download documents. you need a "site id' to register.
2012-08-15T23:57:40 < zyp> yep
2012-08-15T23:58:33 < Thorn> and lpc17xx seem to have some non-synopsys usb controllers
2012-08-15T23:58:48 < zyp> so I've heard
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2012-08-16T00:02:09 < Thorn> I can't figure out how many controllers thy actuallyhave. the manual has 3 chapters, for device, host and otg
2012-08-16T00:03:06 < zyp> not different modes of the same?
2012-08-16T00:03:46 < Thorn> "On these devices, the USB controller can be configured for device, Host, or OTG operation."
2012-08-16T00:03:58 < Thorn> probably only one
2012-08-16T00:04:43 < Thorn> only one "power on" bit
2012-08-16T00:09:32 < zippe> OTG is "host or device with some goo in the port driver to help switch"
2012-08-16T00:09:46 < zippe> You can synthesise just host, just device, or both with OTG glue
2012-08-16T00:10:25 < Thorn> well nxp has device, host *and* otg modes for some reason
2012-08-16T00:19:25 < zippe> No, that's normal
2012-08-16T00:19:36 < zippe> OTG is just a bunch of arbitration
2012-08-16T00:19:51 < zippe> You can force a mode, or you can let the PHY negotiate and then respect what the PHY tells you to do
2012-08-16T00:20:37 < zippe> Sometimes OTG means that HNP is supported, other times it just means a host and a device block sharing a PHY
2012-08-16T00:21:05 < zippe> FWIW, almost nobody /uses/ HNP
2012-08-16T00:21:25 < Thorn> well those synopsys cores are OTG but can be switched to host-only or device-only, so it's basically the same functionality, but they don't require separate documentation for different modes
2012-08-16T00:24:03 < zyp> oh, it's seperate subchapters in the reference manual
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2012-08-16T00:26:03 < zippe> There's a disconnect here
2012-08-16T00:26:19 < zippe> When you say "cores are OTG", you are mis-understanding what OTG is.
2012-08-16T00:26:44 < zippe> At its heart, it's several techniques for deciding whether to turn on the host or the device controller.
2012-08-16T00:27:36 < zippe> You can either use the host select pin (why there are 5 pins in the mini/micro connectors), or you can implement HNP in the PHY
2012-08-16T00:27:56 < zippe> But this has nothing to do with the MACs.
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2012-08-16T00:39:55 < zyp> happen to know any controllers supporting both host and device but not otg? :p
2012-08-16T00:42:03 < zippe> Yes
2012-08-16T00:42:21 < zippe> If you mean "configurations where a host and device share a phy that does not support HNP"
2012-08-16T00:43:18 < zippe> Though with a GPIO you can make them "OTG"
2012-08-16T00:43:20 < zyp> I'm not sure what I mean
2012-08-16T00:43:28 < zyp> yes, that's just what I was thinking
2012-08-16T00:44:17 < zippe> When you say "controllers supporting both" … you don't build a single "controller" that supports host and device
2012-08-16T00:44:22 < zippe> They are totally different things
2012-08-16T00:44:31 < zippe> So you have an IP block that does USB Host
2012-08-16T00:44:37 < zippe> and a completely separate block that does USB Device
2012-08-16T00:46:18 < zyp> I haven't looked inside any hardware implementations, but I would imagine they have parts in common that don't need to be duplicated
2012-08-16T00:46:46 < zippe> You would be wrong
2012-08-16T00:47:13 < zyp> then what about the FIFO memory in the dwc controllers?
2012-08-16T00:47:20 < zippe> The bits that can be duplicated are called the phy
2012-08-16T00:47:48 < zippe> Feh, RAMs.  Ok, whatever.
2012-08-16T00:48:36 < zippe> Assuming they are actually the same RAM, that's optimising the topside for area's sake
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2012-08-16T00:54:31 < zyp> as far as I'm aware, the PHY doesn't have anything to do with bit stuffing/unstuffing either, and that's the same for both host and device
2012-08-16T00:55:12 < zyp> I don't see how serializing and deserializing frames differ either, as far as I'm aware all frames in both directions use the same format
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2012-08-16T01:17:15 < Laurenceb_> is the adc callback function called from the dma interrupt?
2012-08-16T01:17:21 < Laurenceb_> ^in chibios
2012-08-16T01:17:57 < zyp> IIRC yes
2012-08-16T01:18:11 < Laurenceb_> http://chibios.sourceforge.net/html/group___a_d_c.html
2012-08-16T01:18:24 < Laurenceb_> looks like it is
2012-08-16T01:18:41 < zyp> I believe you're supposed to use it to wake up a thread if you need to do a lot of work
2012-08-16T01:19:08 < Laurenceb_> im pondering using it to control pwm
2012-08-16T01:19:21 < Laurenceb_> but the jitter needs to be very low
2012-08-16T01:19:27 < Laurenceb_> looks like it will probably work
2012-08-16T01:19:34 < zyp> ha
2012-08-16T01:19:36 < zyp> good luck :p
2012-08-16T01:19:55 < Thorn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_embedded_computer_systems_on_board_the_Mars_rovers
2012-08-16T01:19:58 < Laurenceb_> trying to port my logger code to chibios
2012-08-16T01:20:25  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2012-08-16T01:20:28 < Laurenceb_> cya
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2012-08-16T03:14:53 < dongs> sup  trolls/trollees
2012-08-16T03:17:23 < emeb> trolleys?
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2012-08-16T03:31:55 <+izua> trollettes
2012-08-16T03:32:14 <+izua> not much, i see dongs ircing at pi time
2012-08-16T03:37:24 < LeelooMinai> Any tips on getting C++ on discovery F0 working in eclipse in Windows... I can get C working fine with Codesorcery Lite
2012-08-16T03:37:49 < dongs> why would you ever want to use C++
2012-08-16T03:38:07 < LeelooMinai> dongs, Not helping... :p
2012-08-16T03:38:34 < dongs> i am helping
2012-08-16T03:38:39 < LeelooMinai> Not really...
2012-08-16T03:38:46 < emeb> Because it's hot! It's the language that all the cool kids are using! The language of the future!
2012-08-16T03:39:01 < dongs> i'm allowing you to reconsider your decision to use a retarded language
2012-08-16T03:39:18 < LeelooMinai> You have no idea... I am 10 steps ahead of you
2012-08-16T03:39:27 < LeelooMinai> SO, don't bother
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2012-08-16T03:41:19 < dongs> right. so what are you doing that needs C++.
2012-08-16T03:42:34 < LeelooMinai> I'm not here to discuss that - just asked s simple question - you have no answer, fine... but don't derail it into some religious discussion on coding
2012-08-16T03:43:16 < dongs> I'm not derailing into anything. im asking a fucking question thats relevant to your question.
2012-08-16T03:44:23 < LeelooMinai> No it isn't
2012-08-16T03:44:42 < LeelooMinai> My question was about getting C++ working...
2012-08-16T03:44:45 < dongs> I suggest you pay mentor graphics for a support contract if you aren't ready to chat when chatted to
2012-08-16T03:45:08 < LeelooMinai> I suggest you focus on what people ask you, not go into tangent topics
2012-08-16T03:45:15 < dongs> or upgrade to realview/armcc.
2012-08-16T03:46:40 < LeelooMinai> My plan is getting it to work on Juno + some free toolchain like codesorcery - totally open source
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2012-08-16T03:49:40 < GargantuaSauce> make sure you use boost, i hear that makes c++ development much easier
2012-08-16T03:51:11 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I intend to use STL too, and maybe I will get Visual Studio working too
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2012-08-16T05:36:14 < zippe> LeelooMinai: "get it working" is kinda vague
2012-08-16T05:36:26 < zippe> LeelooMinai: maybe you could be more specific about what's not working?
2012-08-16T05:36:36 < zippe> LeelooMinai: and ignore dongs here, he's a corporate whore
2012-08-16T05:49:27 < dongs> haha
2012-08-16T05:49:35  * dongs busy downloading windows 8 and vs2012
2012-08-16T05:49:42 < dongs> (legitimately from technet/msdn)
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2012-08-16T06:37:18 < zippe> How can you be "busy" downloading?
2012-08-16T06:37:27 < zippe> That's like being "busy" watching paint dry
2012-08-16T06:38:35 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/2/3/3/4/3/1/a4801775-26-IMG_0273.jpg
2012-08-16T06:40:27 < cjbaird_> I guy I knew at UNE used to have a topsite on a MS server.. He had it for about 6 months before anyone in the company noticed it.
2012-08-16T06:52:25 < R0b0t1> dongs: soldering level: asian
2012-08-16T07:00:20 < dongs> or just dumb
2012-08-16T07:02:40 < dongs> twitterific
2012-08-16T07:11:38 < zippe> Ah, dead bug style lives
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2012-08-16T07:53:56 < Oldboy> dongs: but you need C++ to build a C compiler
2012-08-16T07:54:01 < Oldboy> obviously C++ >> C
2012-08-16T07:56:48 < cjbaird_> If Ian Taylor rewrites UUCP into C++, I will fly over to Seattle and kick him in the nuts enough times to make the 18 hours flight worthwhile.
2012-08-16T08:03:10 < dongs> unix to unix child porn?
2012-08-16T08:06:13 < cjbaird_> $ man cp
2012-08-16T08:10:04 < dongs> whats going on with assange
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2012-08-16T08:11:33 < dongs> LARGE CUSTODY VAN SITTING HERE
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2012-08-16T08:13:33 < Oldboy> Department of Homeland security is preparing the Anal Probe.
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2012-08-16T08:16:26 < cjbaird_> Hany many millions has Assange wasted of donated money over a max $1500 fine..
2012-08-16T08:16:39 < dongs> 1500 fine for rape?
2012-08-16T08:16:45 < dongs> i thought he was gonna be in jail fora while for that
2012-08-16T08:19:43 < cjbaird_> He's being hit with a 'sexual miscounduct' charge, not a full-blown sexual assault charge.
2012-08-16T08:19:51 < dongs> oh ok
2012-08-16T08:19:55 < dongs> so whats hte problemr then
2012-08-16T08:21:14 < cjbaird_> This is a nutcase who madly tweeted that he was about to be set to Gitmo when Customs had him wait for 15 minutes for a new passport the last time he was in Australia..
2012-08-16T08:22:28 < dongs> sounds like he's into trolling
2012-08-16T08:23:03 < Oldboy> You don't threaten to invade another nations embassy over a 'sexual misconduct' charge
2012-08-16T08:23:21 < Oldboy> this is about wikileaks and extraditing Assange to America
2012-08-16T08:23:25 < cjbaird_> I can vouch he's a schizophrenic.
2012-08-16T08:23:58 < cjbaird_> "threaten to invade another nations embassy" is a very spun description on the situation.
2012-08-16T08:25:38 < dongs> why ecuador anyway
2012-08-16T08:26:29 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFV5hI0vqPs
2012-08-16T08:26:46 < cjbaird_> Venezeula is too high-risk of American invasion already? :P :)
2012-08-16T08:28:30 < cjbaird_> I wonder if Assange will do the same thing with Ecuador like he did with Sweden-- start of by saying how great the place will be... and then go nutso when the cops go after him for breaking laws, and getting his followers to parrot along..
2012-08-16T08:30:17 < dongs> haha
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2012-08-16T08:30:39 < dongs> isnt he like 50
2012-08-16T08:30:46 < dongs> how hard is it to keep his dick inside his pants
2012-08-16T08:30:49 < dongs> while visiting another country
2012-08-16T08:32:23 < zippe> cjbaird_: to be fair, he has made some pretty hardcore unfriends
2012-08-16T08:32:37 < zippe> cjbaird_: actually, no
2012-08-16T08:33:00 < zippe> cjbaird_: this has nothing to do with the "questioning", it has to do with Sweden's extradition treaty with the USA
2012-08-16T08:33:30 < zippe> cjbaird_: and the Swedish government's general status as a US puppet regime
2012-08-16T08:34:01 < dongs>  http://www.businessinsider.com/it-is-now-possible-to-download-and-3d-print-a-working-ar-15-assault-rifle-2012-8
2012-08-16T08:34:19 < cjbaird_> zippe: what's Julian's cum taste like?
2012-08-16T08:34:35 < zippe> cjbaird_: You're sore because he won't pay you child support, I know.
2012-08-16T08:35:22 < zippe> cjbaird_: You don't have to like the guy to see how the game is being played though.
2012-08-16T08:35:53 < zippe> But you're probably frothing too hard to think straight.
2012-08-16T08:36:16 < cjbaird_> Show me where "Sweden is a puppet regime", outside of Assange's blatherings.
2012-08-16T08:36:21 < zippe> Tell me something here.  What do you know about Mark Newton?
2012-08-16T08:36:52 < dongs>  who
2012-08-16T08:37:23 < cjbaird_> The super-early APANA and Internode due?
2012-08-16T08:37:25 < zippe> cjbaird_: a good start would be the Rove connection http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-kreig/rove-suspected-in-swedish_b_798737.html
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2012-08-16T08:39:10 < zippe> If you prefer cryptome to HuffPo, http://cryptome.org/2012/05/wikileaks-under-threat.htm
2012-08-16T08:39:59 < zippe> In general, it's amusing watching diplomacy catch up with the interwebs
2012-08-16T08:40:53 < zippe> … and poking fun at sour old cunts like you that won't let go of their preconceptions.
2012-08-16T08:40:58 < cjbaird_> And yet, Al-Qaeda suspects like Munir Awad have been arrested in Sweden, and somehow stayed put in the country/
2012-08-16T08:41:30 < dongs> but alqueeda is less nutty than this guy
2012-08-16T08:41:39 < dongs> didnt he post some srs shit about america.
2012-08-16T08:41:40 < zippe> Yes, Assange is a jerk.  Yes, he's a fucking idiot for sticking his dick into the honeytrap.  But it's rarely that simple.
2012-08-16T08:41:50 < zippe> Who gives a shit about AQ?
2012-08-16T08:42:01 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/Ej3MD.png <- any idea why the address is offset by 1 somehow in the interrrupt table?
2012-08-16T08:42:12 < zippe> What have they done lately that would make extraditing any of them worth the effort to lift the phone.
2012-08-16T08:42:29 < dongs> LeelooMinai: by design
2012-08-16T08:42:29 < zippe> LeelooMinai: DDI0403C.
2012-08-16T08:42:36 < zippe> LeelooMinai: Read it.  Love it.
2012-08-16T08:43:26 < zippe> Actually, wait.  D has been out forever.  DDI0403D then.
2012-08-16T08:44:01 < LeelooMinai> Hmm...
2012-08-16T08:44:15 < zippe> Hint: the address is not offset.
2012-08-16T08:44:30 < zippe> Instructions are always 16-bit aligned.  The low bit is not part of the address.
2012-08-16T08:44:32 < LeelooMinai> Isn't F0 Armv6?
2012-08-16T08:44:46 < LeelooMinai> THis pdf is about ARMv&-M architecture
2012-08-16T08:44:50 < LeelooMinai> v&
2012-08-16T08:44:57 < LeelooMinai> v7
2012-08-16T08:45:10 < LeelooMinai> Or is it relavant too?
2012-08-16T08:45:33 < zippe> Oh, you're on v6m?  DD0419C or better.
2012-08-16T08:45:48 < zippe> Same deal though.
2012-08-16T08:45:50 < LeelooMinai> Yes, it's Discovery stm32F0
2012-08-16T08:46:07 < zippe> Sorry, I can't see over your shoulder from here.
2012-08-16T08:46:35 < LeelooMinai> Well, you could guess it from the screenshot:)
2012-08-16T08:46:43 < zippe> Why would I look at your screenshot?
2012-08-16T08:47:07 < LeelooMinai> I thought I gave link to screenshot with my question...
2012-08-16T08:47:16 < zippe> Yes, but it wasn't necessary.
2012-08-16T08:47:53 < LeelooMinai> True, still... I cannot see over your shoulder if you read my screenshot or not:)
2012-08-16T08:49:23 < zippe> Assuming you are looking at DDI0419C, you want §A2-36
2012-08-16T08:50:38 < zippe> It is opaque, but you will be better for understanding it.
2012-08-16T08:50:40 < zippe> Honest.
2012-08-16T08:52:16 < LeelooMinai> Well, I got there because my SysTick_Handler does not get executed (I think - the breakpoint does not trip)... and I noticed those weird addresses in the table - thought it was the reason... I guess not
2012-08-16T08:53:08 < Tectu> good morning
2012-08-16T08:54:35 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, don't see anything relevant on A2-36
2012-08-16T08:54:36 < Oldboy> good evening
2012-08-16T08:55:05 < Tectu> good morning, Oldboy
2012-08-16T09:04:12 < LeelooMinai> Heh, ok, I guess bit 1 is used to switch into thumb state - ok, now i will know:)
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2012-08-16T10:31:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/C9rmK.png sup
2012-08-16T10:35:20 < Tectu> dongs, that's a nice multicard reader
2012-08-16T10:36:30 < dongs> i wish
2012-08-16T10:36:35 < dongs> thats 24 readers in 3 hubs
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2012-08-16T10:38:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/n7WQg.jpg
2012-08-16T10:39:39 < Tectu> dongs, w00000t
2012-08-16T10:40:03 < dongs> now im ready to cook some usb bacon
2012-08-16T10:40:24 < dongs> http://xe.bz/aho/24/ idea stolen here
2012-08-16T10:45:40 < BrainDamage> since cost was obviously not an issue, he should've used peltiers for heating, free extra heating from heat pump mechanism
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2012-08-16T13:46:41 < barthess> hi Laurenceb, there is #chbios channel available
2012-08-16T14:00:37 < Tectu> barthess, thank you for promotion ;-)
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2012-08-16T14:03:12 < barthess> Tectu: that man just ask something about chibios
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2012-08-16T14:44:17 < cjbaird_> I've spent the evening at a Medical Centre, after splitting my head open at the local mall (/someone/ is gonna have a lot of OH&S paperwork to do tomorrow..) A Pedestrian diversion lead me walking into a head-height fire sprinkler. Bloooooood everywhere. Sticking plaster on (disinfected) head. Antibiotics. Can't have alcohol for 24 hours. :/
2012-08-16T14:44:29 < cjbaird_> I'd just bought a 1.125l bottle of Rum, too.
2012-08-16T14:45:05 < cjbaird_> If I get an MRSA infection, and they have to amputate my head, I can sue! :D
2012-08-16T14:45:43 < dongs> awesome blog dude
2012-08-16T14:45:50 < dongs> please tweet some pics
2012-08-16T14:46:44 < cjbaird_> All my friends here can send me alcohol as get-well presents.
2012-08-16T14:48:11 < cjbaird_> But none of that Sake shit, dongs.
2012-08-16T14:54:59 < zyp> didn't your head come with eyes? you should be able to see shit if it's in head height
2012-08-16T14:55:56 < dongs> zyp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvJg6dGMGJA this guy couldnt
2012-08-16T14:59:03 < Tectu> good job, cjbaird_
2012-08-16T14:59:09 < Tectu> hope you feel better soon
2012-08-16T14:59:12 < zyp> dongs, nice
2012-08-16T14:59:16 < dongs> he was raged at assange
2012-08-16T15:03:46 < cjbaird_> zyp: years in mspaint: http://i.imgur.com/jNnsq.png .. the fire sprinklers weren't visible from the side. There was a pedestrian diversion while the mall was repainting the car parking lanes.
2012-08-16T15:06:25 < cjbaird_> Someone will be in the shit for removing the plastic guards around the sprinklers (if they were ever installed..)
2012-08-16T15:10:00 < Tectu> cjbaird_, pretty good paint work!
2012-08-16T15:11:17 < cjbaird_> Learnings from my University Geometry coursework went into that.
2012-08-16T15:27:27 < Tectu> cjbaird_, looks like the money was spend in a good way then
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2012-08-16T16:52:04 < dongs> zippe: beep
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2012-08-16T17:20:30 < dongs> hmm wtf is diff between OCMODE_PWM1 and 2
2012-08-16T17:20:32 < dongs> tiem to read
2012-08-16T17:22:10 < dongs> looks like polarity
2012-08-16T17:26:56 < zyp> probably
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2012-08-16T17:43:15 < dongs> hmm
2012-08-16T17:44:17 < Tectu> zyp, do you think of buying the new black magic and selling your JTAG one to me? :D
2012-08-16T17:44:42 < zyp> ha :p
2012-08-16T17:45:36 < dongs> on F4 all GPIOs for timers are in GPIO_Mode_AF...
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2012-08-16T17:45:41 < dongs> but on F1 inputs are just _IPD
2012-08-16T17:45:48 < dongs> blah, gotta add more crap
2012-08-16T17:47:08 < ratatata> nu
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2012-08-16T17:51:17 < dongs> hmm but outputs are AF_PP
2012-08-16T17:52:02 < dongs> i guess i dont need to configure OType when GPIO_Mode is AF_PP already?
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2012-08-16T18:25:42 < karlp> heh, arduino wifi shield is a full avr32 board, that happens to ship with firmware making it a spi slave to the arduino
2012-08-16T18:33:50 < dongs> how amazingly utterly worthless.
2012-08-16T18:39:11 < karlp> an odd choice indeed.  "must keep everyone on arduino"
2012-08-16T18:39:16 < karlp> plus, 69€
2012-08-16T18:39:22 < karlp> arduino required
2012-08-16T18:48:35 < jpa-> works fine for those who can't
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2012-08-16T18:53:07 < cjbaird_> That Gertboard for the RPi has the same bloody thing.
2012-08-16T18:58:32 < karlp> gertboard looks pretty worthless.
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2012-08-16T18:58:48 < karlp> let's put a monstrous sea of socketed dip chips on this tiny credit card sbc
2012-08-16T18:59:00 < dongs> haha
2012-08-16T18:59:29 <+izua> sounds nice
2012-08-16T18:59:36 <+izua> is it one of those first calculators, with nixie tubes?
2012-08-16T18:59:40 < cjbaird_> woohoo, wirewrap
2012-08-16T19:01:49 < cjbaird_> I once had a Wang 'wordprocessor', that was a IBM-PC class machine made with all wirewrapped S100-esque boards.. Chucked it when it stopped working-- and I wasn't keen on searching for the problem. :)
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2012-08-16T19:11:00 < dongs> TIM_CtrlPWMOutputs() in what cases is this needed on F1?
2012-08-16T19:11:19 < dongs> oh its BDTR shit
2012-08-16T19:12:02 < zyp> aren't the functions documented?
2012-08-16T19:12:09 < dongs> tehy are, but worthlessly
2012-08-16T19:12:28 < dongs> so if I have 2 pins as IC and 2 pins as OC
2012-08-16T19:12:38 < dongs> but ctrlpwm shit doesnt take individual channels
2012-08-16T19:13:42 < dongs> hm ok it only matters for hcannels configured as output
2012-08-16T19:14:28 < dongs> ~looks liek that only matters for TIM1 anyway
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2012-08-16T19:15:22 < dongs> and on other TIMs that shit is a reserver register
2012-08-16T19:15:30 < dongs> ugh, much cleaner on F4
2012-08-16T19:15:41 < karlp> f1 was the learning chip remember :)
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2012-08-16T19:53:57 < DLPeterson> does anybody here know whether register stacking *always* happens when an interrupt handler is entered?  Or is possible to control?  From reading the Cortex-M3 book by Joseph Yiu, I get the impression that it always happens but can't be sure.
2012-08-16T19:55:55 < zyp> as far as I'm aware there is no way change that
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2012-08-16T19:56:27 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-16T19:56:33 < zyp> no
2012-08-16T19:57:08 <+Steffanx> That's what she said?
2012-08-16T19:57:48 < zyp> nah, your mom would never say that
2012-08-16T19:58:19 <+Steffanx> ok dad
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2012-08-16T20:03:02 < DLPeterson> zyp: ok.  I was just curious.  If I find something that seems to suggest otherwise, I'll let you know.
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2012-08-16T21:10:51 < Thorn> the only case when it's skipped is tail chaining
2012-08-16T21:11:10 < Thorn> afaik
2012-08-16T21:14:55 < zyp> it's only skipped because it's already stacked
2012-08-16T21:15:45 < Thorn> exactly
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2012-08-16T21:34:34 < DLPeterson> yeah, that makes sense.
2012-08-16T21:35:19 < DLPeterson> I was just wondering if the pushing is done by hardware or if compilers generate the assembly to push onto the stack.
2012-08-16T21:38:39 < zyp> hardware
2012-08-16T21:38:58 < zyp> compilers doesn't need to do any magic, so interrupt handlers can be normal functions
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2012-08-17T02:56:07 < LeelooMinai> I get intermittent "*** Access is denied." from gnu make on windows like this: http://i.imgur.com/3rDoU.png <- anyone encoutered it?
2012-08-17T03:06:22 <+izua> do they always happen?
2012-08-17T03:06:49 <+izua> maybe your programmer/debugger is blocking the hex. i had something like this with a weird avr programmer, before avrdude
2012-08-17T03:07:25 < LeelooMinai> Well, I just found out that fireing up process explorer that watches for file changes eliminates it - weird - I guess it introduces some delay and make works
2012-08-17T03:08:03 < LeelooMinai> I guess something there happens too fast during normal build
2012-08-17T03:09:19 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... I don't use parallelism option for make... so not sure what's going on here
2012-08-17T03:09:38 < LeelooMinai> googled, but found nothing
2012-08-17T03:10:29 < LeelooMinai> It does not happen only for .hex - it happens sporadically on  .c files too
2012-08-17T03:11:08 < LeelooMinai> It's almost like some temporary file is not removed fast enough (?) or something like that
2012-08-17T03:12:54 < dongs> Laurenceb: did they get hacked or something
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2012-08-17T07:02:28 < dongs> start chatting
2012-08-17T07:05:03 < Oldboy> LeelooMinai: turn off your antivirus
2012-08-17T07:05:24 < dongs> lol, antivirus on windows desktops
2012-08-17T07:05:26 < dongs> people still use that?
2012-08-17T07:05:34 < LeelooMinai> Yes, ;like I didn't do that as first thing...:p
2012-08-17T07:05:50 < dongs> i saw avr-gcc doing similar trash
2012-08-17T07:05:55 < dongs> running make quickly would f ail some files
2012-08-17T07:06:01 < dongs> but manually copypasting exactly same gcc build line =- ok
2012-08-17T07:06:09 < zippe> It has to do with the stupid async share mode behaviour
2012-08-17T07:06:11 < dongs> sounds like GNU/failure
2012-08-17T07:06:24 < zippe> When the compiler closes the file and releases the lock, it doesn't propagate instantly.
2012-08-17T07:06:26 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... that's why spying on file access made it work - introduced some delay I gueess
2012-08-17T07:06:31 < Oldboy> zippe: ? what is async share ?
2012-08-17T07:06:51 < zippe> Oldboy: when the compiler opens the output file, the open is unshared
2012-08-17T07:07:21 < zippe> i.e. the posix layer sees O_CREAT | O_EXCL and that translates into SHARE_NONE or whatever the NT sharing mode is (it's been 10+ years since I really cared)
2012-08-17T07:07:41 < zippe> When the file is closed, the lock doesn't go away instantly because windows is not smrt
2012-08-17T07:08:12 < zippe> so if the next tool in the workflow tries to open it, even though it's been closed, the SHARE_NONE is still in place.
2012-08-17T07:08:37 < Oldboy> why would you open exclusive ?
2012-08-17T07:08:39 < zippe> On a posix system, locking is tied closely to the descriptor lifecycle, so as soon as the descriptor is closed the file is free to open again
2012-08-17T07:08:53 < zippe> Oldboy: because it doesn't make sense any other way
2012-08-17T07:09:25 < zippe> On a real posix system, that's a safety technique that lets you detect e.g. a bad parallel build that has two compiler instances trying to generate the same object file.
2012-08-17T07:09:44 < Oldboy> ah
2012-08-17T07:09:51 < zippe> And it'd work that way on Windows too.
2012-08-17T07:10:15 < zippe> But because the tools are written for the posix universe, their expectations don't hold on Redmond's VMS clone.
2012-08-17T07:10:40 < Oldboy> isn't Windows posix compliant since NT ?
2012-08-17T07:10:47 < zippe> *bwahahaha*
2012-08-17T07:10:48 < zippe> No
2012-08-17T07:11:16 < dongs> vsutdio has been doing parallel builds on multiprocessor machines for >years<.
2012-08-17T07:11:27 < dongs> I'd gather probably longer htan gcc / makefile faggots figured out how to add -j to their shit.
2012-08-17T07:11:35 < dongs> and it doenst break.
2012-08-17T07:11:51 < zippe> dongs: I was doing parallel makes on a 6-core multimax back in the win 3.1 days
2012-08-17T07:11:54 < zippe> So sorry, but no.
2012-08-17T07:11:54 < dongs> i'd say 100% toolchain / environment problem
2012-08-17T07:12:03 < zippe> dongs: environment = windows, so yes
2012-08-17T07:12:05 < LeelooMinai> Damn, this channel is not opinionated at all:)
2012-08-17T07:12:17 < dongs> LeelooMinai: just all the lunix trolls
2012-08-17T07:12:34 < dongs> hmm my pwm driver output setup is fucked.
2012-08-17T07:12:35 < zippe> dongs here is really a Damn Small Linux maintainer…
2012-08-17T07:13:05 < dongs> zippe: TIM_CtrlPWMOutputs is only needed on TIM1/TIM8 right?
2012-08-17T07:13:11 < dongs> the BDTR shit on F1
2012-08-17T07:15:08 < zippe> dongs: on f103?
2012-08-17T07:15:19 < dongs> Ya
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2012-08-17T07:15:47 < zippe> I never got that far into the ST libraries (assuming that's the function you're talking about), I'd have to go dig
2012-08-17T07:15:51 < LeelooMinai> Right... so, let me get this straight: dongs is Linux distro maintainer that somehow defends Windows compiler ...
2012-08-17T07:15:57 < dongs> mkay nvm.
2012-08-17T07:16:00 < dongs> its probably something else I fucked up
2012-08-17T07:17:33 < LeelooMinai> Maybe that's why it's usually quiet here... everyone sits behind barb-wire entaglement and watches others through binoculars:p
2012-08-17T07:17:52 < dongs> i think its cause i dont have preload config stuff
2012-08-17T07:21:13 < dongs> cool, hardfault
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2012-08-17T07:31:08 < dongs> hm wtf. not getting timer outputs at all
2012-08-17T07:31:12 < dongs> this worked before
2012-08-17T07:33:53 < dongs> there it goes
2012-08-17T07:33:54 < dongs> wrong period
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2012-08-17T08:03:23 < jpa-> dongs: actually parallel make with visual studio does break if you mess up your dependencies, just like with make
2012-08-17T08:03:53 < jpa-> for example the ossbuild project doesn't work with parallel build
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2012-08-17T08:07:23 < dongs> what the hell is "ossbuild
2012-08-17T08:07:28 < dongs> it already sounds like "opensaucesoftwarE"
2012-08-17T08:07:31 < dongs> so yes, it breaks by default
2012-08-17T08:07:32 < dongs> :)
2012-08-17T08:15:14 < dongs> hmm
2012-08-17T08:21:06 < jpa-> if you'd see the propietary crap we make at work, you'd think open source is awesome :)
2012-08-17T08:23:30 < dongs> :)
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2012-08-17T09:10:38 < zippe> jpa-: where's your protobuf stuff gone>?
2012-08-17T09:11:16 < jpa-> nowhere? :)
2012-08-17T09:11:24 < Tectu> does anybody of you know anything about http://aftership.com?
2012-08-17T09:11:24 < jpa-> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/nanopb/
2012-08-17T09:13:06 < dongs> Tectu: ? whats wrong with just tracking at whatever shipping company s ite?
2012-08-17T09:13:53 < dongs> here's a question for t he pros
2012-08-17T09:13:58 < zippe> jpa-: it's not responding to me 8(
2012-08-17T09:14:00 < dongs> any way to run stuff at 72MHz off HSI?
2012-08-17T09:14:07 < dongs> F1
2012-08-17T09:14:25 < dongs> i think default SystemInit() shit falls back to some retarded shit when its on HSI
2012-08-17T09:14:30 < dongs> like 24mhz or somethign
2012-08-17T09:14:35 < Tectu> dongs, so it's no "fake"?
2012-08-17T09:14:38 < zippe> dongs: yes, you can drive the PLL from the HSI
2012-08-17T09:14:43 < dongs> Tectu: looks legit, but i dont see the point
2012-08-17T09:14:52 < zippe> dongs: as long as the jitter/drift isn't an issue
2012-08-17T09:14:58 < dongs> zippe: right.
2012-08-17T09:14:59 < zippe> jpa-: ah, there it is
2012-08-17T09:15:09 < dongs> zippe must be having ipv6 fun
2012-08-17T09:15:17 < jpa-> zippe: the google project or koti.kapsi.fi? both work for me
2012-08-17T09:15:20 < Tectu> dongs, the e-mail address is    shipping.gt@gmail.com ...
2012-08-17T09:15:31 < dongs> tectu, what exactly do you expect?
2012-08-17T09:15:32 < zippe> jpa-: koti was not talking to me… now it is
2012-08-17T09:15:39 < Tectu> dongs, and when you try to enter the tracking number you got from the page, then they don't find anything ;-)
2012-08-17T09:15:41 < dongs> Tectu: are you worried they will steal your packags?
2012-08-17T09:15:46 < zippe> was trying to pass the link on to some folks that are looking for serialisation ideas
2012-08-17T09:15:47 < jpa-> zippe: :)
2012-08-17T09:17:52 < Tectu> dongs, no, i just try to find out if anybody heard about it / it's a fake / whatever
2012-08-17T09:18:13 < zippe> jpa-: Any suggestions for a lightweight key/value store? 8)
2012-08-17T09:18:27 < dongs> Tectu:       CHAN, Teddy  teddy@aftership.com
2012-08-17T09:18:27 < dongs>       AfterShip Ltd.
2012-08-17T09:18:27 < dongs>       Hong Kong,  HK
2012-08-17T09:18:27 < dongs>       +852.28882888
2012-08-17T09:18:33 < dongs> feel free to call
2012-08-17T09:18:45 < dongs> nubmer looks bogusey though.
2012-08-17T09:20:43 < Tectu> dongs, call them for me!
2012-08-17T09:20:47 < jpa-> zippe: minini ,)
2012-08-17T09:27:54 < zippe> jpa-: that's a config file parser, and I think I'd rather use jsmin or cJSON
2012-08-17T09:28:03 < zippe> jpa-: I'm looking for a key-value store
2012-08-17T09:28:44 < jpa-> yeah, that's why ",)" :)
2012-08-17T09:28:59 < zippe> Oh hey, it's thiadmer again
2012-08-17T09:29:57 < zippe> He still hasn't taken my pawn fixes, the bugger
2012-08-17T09:30:17 < jpa-> thiadmer <3
2012-08-17T09:30:20 < jpa-> i like his sw
2012-08-17T09:31:45 < zippe> pawn looks nice on the outside, but the inside is scary
2012-08-17T09:34:31 < dongs> lol
2012-08-17T09:34:33 < dongs> pawn is fucking..
2012-08-17T09:34:36 < dongs> BLOATED.
2012-08-17T09:35:21 < jpa-> pawn is exceptional at the size range it fits
2012-08-17T09:35:27 < jpa-> if you have 4x more, lua wins
2012-08-17T09:38:29 < zippe> jpa-: 	So far, surprisingly, folks are more excited about squirrel
2012-08-17T09:38:56 < zippe> Hum.  uthash looks interesting, but the node overhead is large
2012-08-17T09:41:16 < jpa-> squirrel is also in the same range as lua
2012-08-17T09:43:38 < zippe> Blegh.  Do I really have to write my own arbitrary parameter store.  Again?
2012-08-17T09:47:59 < jpa-> write also nice dynamic array implementation
2012-08-17T09:48:13 < jpa-> uSTL could work if you like c++ :)
2012-08-17T09:48:24 < zippe> I have a mostly-done uSTL port
2012-08-17T09:48:30 < zippe> But it has alignment issues that I could never solve
2012-08-17T09:48:54 < zippe> Somewhere deep inside, it does not care about alignment. Stupid x86 people
2012-08-17T09:49:21 < zippe> uthash also has a dynamic array
2012-08-17T09:49:39 < zippe> But that has no indexing, unless you treat it as a single hash buket
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2012-08-17T12:32:55 < dongs> ok time to figure out how to run pll from hsi
2012-08-17T12:34:58 < zyp> just like from hse, except with pll source set to hsi
2012-08-17T12:38:16 < dongs> ...
2012-08-17T12:38:20 < dongs> dont see any way to do that
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2012-08-17T12:41:17 < dongs> when using HSI pll only gets 4mhz
2012-08-17T12:41:29 < zyp> PLLSRC in RCC.CFGR
2012-08-17T12:42:01 < zyp> yes, it says that you'll get HSI/2
2012-08-17T12:42:26 < zyp> so you just configure the PLL as you would if you were using HSE with a 4MHz crystal
2012-08-17T12:42:41 < dongs> shit, thats >hard<.
2012-08-17T12:42:56 < dongs> why the fuck isnt there a excel shit for f103 like there is for F2/f4
2012-08-17T12:43:10 < dongs> system_stm32f10x.c is fucking giant
2012-08-17T12:45:53 < dongs> so noramlly 8mhz is hse * 9 = 72,m so all i ened to do is hsi/2*18 = 72?
2012-08-17T12:46:07 < dongs> but pll multuiplier is only goes upt o16
2012-08-17T12:47:41 < zyp> ah, then you're out of luck
2012-08-17T12:47:45 < dongs> really?
2012-08-17T12:47:56 < dongs> but some poles claim its possible
2012-08-17T12:48:09 < dongs> http://www.mikroe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=189&t=48678
2012-08-17T12:49:12 < zyp> he writes HSE
2012-08-17T12:49:23 < zyp> so I wouldn't trust that :p
2012-08-17T12:49:50 < dongs> 'internal, 8mhz hse', sounds like just a typo no
2012-08-17T12:50:39 < dongs> Here is the setup code to use the internal 8MHz clock – but with the internal clock, we are only able to get a max frequency of 36MHz.
2012-08-17T12:50:42 < dongs> hmml
2012-08-17T12:51:06 < dongs> rage.
2012-08-17T12:51:12 < zyp> anyway, if it's not possible to run a multiplication factor of more than 16, you can't get more than 64 MHz on HSI
2012-08-17T12:51:27 < dongs> theres only that multiplier, right?
2012-08-17T12:51:45 < zyp> seems so
2012-08-17T12:52:04 < dongs> sucketh
2012-08-17T12:52:51 < zyp> F4 is a bit more complex, because it has both multipliers and dividers, so you always divide down the input to 1-2 MHz before entering the multiplier
2012-08-17T12:53:00 < dongs> right
2012-08-17T12:53:28 < zyp> I believe I'm using input / 8 * 336 / 2 to generate 168 MHz on my stuff
2012-08-17T12:54:27 < dongs> well thats pretty fail
2012-08-17T12:55:20 < zyp> well, that's the problem with using F1 :p
2012-08-17T12:55:24 < dongs> noez
2012-08-17T12:55:32 < dongs> the problem with using F1 is F3 is not coming out soon enough
2012-08-17T12:55:46 < dongs> M4 in 48lqfp = pure win
2012-08-17T12:56:29 < dongs> well blah
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2012-08-17T15:47:09 < dongs> sup blogs
2012-08-17T15:47:14 < dongs> Laurenceb_: what was so funny about linked in
2012-08-17T15:47:15 < Tectu> sup blogs
2012-08-17T15:47:25 < dongs> tectu, does chibios still suck
2012-08-17T15:47:44 < Tectu> dongs, not at all
2012-08-17T15:47:48 < Tectu> dongs, why do you think it sucks?
2012-08-17T15:49:40 < dongs> dont like the name, coding style, that it has hal etc.
2012-08-17T15:59:14 < karlp_> feature creep
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2012-08-17T16:06:51 < dongs> i'd say just creep.
2012-08-17T16:10:08 <+Steffanx> Isn't "creep" a synonym for "dongs" ? :P
2012-08-17T16:10:18 < dongs> you wish
2012-08-17T16:12:04 < dongs> ok, status
2012-08-17T16:12:22 < dongs> need daily Laurenceb_ fap story
2012-08-17T16:13:05 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb is on holiday i guess
2012-08-17T16:13:11 < dongs> nope
2012-08-17T16:13:14 < dongs> he is here
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2012-08-17T16:13:22 < dongs> from his trollnets
2012-08-17T16:13:29 < dongs> and not uni ignorenets
2012-08-17T16:14:27 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb is here 24/7
2012-08-17T16:14:52 < dongs> correct
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2012-08-17T17:50:04 < Laurenceb_> linkedin is funny as all my relatives are on there
2012-08-17T17:51:30 < Laurenceb_> http://uk.linkedin.com/in/gavintoddjames
2012-08-17T17:51:38 < Laurenceb_> the UK is screwed
2012-08-17T17:53:06 <+Steffanx> What's funny about that Laurenceb_ ?
2012-08-17T17:53:13 < Laurenceb_> Head of Climate Change Strategy
2012-08-17T17:53:18 < Laurenceb_> look at him
2012-08-17T17:53:52  * Steffanx wonders that Laurenceb_'s linked in page looks like
2012-08-17T17:54:06 < Laurenceb_> i dont have one
2012-08-17T17:55:18 <+Steffanx> It would've been something like "Other interests: 4chan and crap"
2012-08-17T17:56:38 < zyp> hmm, solved my «EP1 data going to EP0» problem
2012-08-17T17:56:55 <+Steffanx> ...
2012-08-17T17:57:10 < dongs> did you like, start sending data to ep1 instead of ep0?
2012-08-17T17:57:50 < zyp> no, I had a pending transfer on ep1, and then that data got sent on ep0 when trying to do a transfer there
2012-08-17T17:59:20 < zyp> turns out they used the same fifo, and it worked fine until I tried doing one transfer while another was pending
2012-08-17T18:00:05 < zyp> so, yeah, I were dumb and did not specify that ep1 should use txfifo1, so both used txfifo0
2012-08-17T18:00:17 <+Steffanx> Shit happens
2012-08-17T18:00:23 <+Steffanx> Even zyp makes mistakes
2012-08-17T18:00:53 < zyp> I'm just amused that it still worked
2012-08-17T18:01:25 < dongs> bedtime.
2012-08-17T18:01:36 <+Steffanx> Sleep well
2012-08-17T18:01:49 < zyp> writing to the second fifo addr apparently means write to the fifo associated with ep1, not necessarily fifo1
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2012-08-17T19:30:30 < emeb> It's quiet here. Too quiet...
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2012-08-17T19:40:28  * karlp_ starts singing off key
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2012-08-17T19:51:47 < karlp> bah, I actually went to the effort of some awk to randomly make up words to "sing"
2012-08-17T19:51:55 < karlp> but this computer doesn't have the words list on it.
2012-08-17T19:52:00 < karlp> no singing for you today emeb
2012-08-17T19:53:29 < karlp> annd... then I discovered "shuf"
2012-08-17T19:53:32 < karlp> who needs awk
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2012-08-17T19:58:23 < emeb> Still waiting for the singing...
2012-08-17T19:59:04  * emeb uses shuf to generate random music playlists...
2012-08-17T20:01:13 < BrainDamage> just shove everything in a text filter and it'll be uncrekgnizeable iiregardles of the source
2012-08-17T20:10:23 < zippe> Try this on a Mac:
2012-08-17T20:10:25 < zippe> cat /usr/share/dict/words| say
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2012-08-17T20:13:02 < WorkerBuzz> Does the low-speed internal oscillator continue to function in low power modes?  (ie sleep or even stop)
2012-08-17T20:14:35 < zippe> WorkerBuzz: assuming you have set things up correctly, I believe so
2012-08-17T20:15:41 < zippe> WorkerBuzz: since the ref manual explicitly says so
2012-08-17T20:15:56 < zippe> 	.	The devices have the two following secondary clock sources:
2012-08-17T20:15:56 < zippe> 		●  32 kHz low-speed internal RC (LSI RC) which drives the independent watchdog and, optionally, the RTC used for Auto-wakeup from the Stop/Standby mode.
2012-08-17T20:15:56 < zippe> 	.	The devices have the two following secondary clock sources:
2012-08-17T20:15:56 < zippe> 		●  32 kHz low-speed internal RC (LSI RC) which drives the independent watchdog and, optionally, the RTC used for Auto-wakeup from the Stop/Standby mode.
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2012-08-17T20:44:04 < Laurenceb_> i run the F1 with 32khz xtal running as rtc
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2012-08-17T20:44:09 < Laurenceb_> uses a few uA
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2012-08-17T21:24:24 < pthomas> I was looking at the f3, and didn't see a dead-time unit with the PWM is that right? do folks just do this manually?
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2012-08-17T21:29:26 < Laurenceb_> i dont even see a ref manual for that thing
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2012-08-17T21:39:07 < Laurenceb_> lol I keep getting spam for adult dating
2012-08-17T21:39:33 < Laurenceb_> "conditions: when you have sex with our members, we are not responsible for STD infection"
2012-08-17T21:42:21 < Thorn> >when
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2012-08-17T22:05:42 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKm8FolQ7jw
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2012-08-17T22:11:27 <+Steffanx> Hehe zippe @ wordt list
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2012-08-17T23:48:29 < Tectu> dongs, blog
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2012-08-18T00:17:15 <+Steffanx> Tectu, you have to go to dreamland for blogs from dongs
2012-08-18T00:17:39 < Tectu> Steffanx, so no blogs then :D
2012-08-18T00:17:47 <+Steffanx> Not today
2012-08-18T00:18:01 <+Steffanx> You have to wake up a little earlier to see him blog
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2012-08-18T00:19:36 < Tectu> Steffanx, is it fun?
2012-08-18T00:19:46 <+Steffanx> What is fun?
2012-08-18T00:21:24 < Tectu> Steffanx, to see him blogging
2012-08-18T00:21:37 <+Steffanx> Wake up a little earlier and find ou
2012-08-18T00:21:37 <+Steffanx> t
2012-08-18T00:24:07 < Tectu> can you guys recommend any good movie?
2012-08-18T00:24:16 < Tectu> sci-fi / horror
2012-08-18T00:26:31 <+Steffanx> Alien ofcourse :P
2012-08-18T00:27:17 <+izua_> Tectu: primer
2012-08-18T00:27:23 <+izua_> you need to see primer.
2012-08-18T00:27:46 < Tectu> izua_, never heard of it before
2012-08-18T00:27:49 < Tectu> Steffanx, seen of course ;)
2012-08-18T00:27:56 <+Steffanx> Watch it again
2012-08-18T00:27:57 <+izua_> it's a lower budget thing
2012-08-18T00:27:58 <+Steffanx> All of them
2012-08-18T00:28:12 <+Steffanx> And Alien vs predator and stuff :P
2012-08-18T00:28:13 <+izua_> it starts out with a bunch of engineers making extra cash on the side by making JTAG programmers
2012-08-18T00:28:24 <+Steffanx> Fancy!
2012-08-18T00:28:44 < Tectu> izua_, lower budget like iron sky? ;)
2012-08-18T00:28:51 < Tectu> Steffanx, AvP seen as wel!
2012-08-18T00:28:58 < Tectu> izua_, wtf?
2012-08-18T00:29:04 < Tectu> izua_, are you trolling or serious?
2012-08-18T00:29:15 <+izua_> i know i rarely not troll
2012-08-18T00:29:24 <+izua_> but yeah, this time i'm serious
2012-08-18T00:30:02 < Tectu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primer_%28film%29
2012-08-18T00:30:08 < Tectu> you were not trolling.
2012-08-18T00:30:28 < Tectu> accidental discovery of a means of time travel
2012-08-18T00:30:40 <+izua_> mhm
2012-08-18T00:30:43 <+izua_> that's the one
2012-08-18T00:31:35 < Tectu> lets see where i can "buy" it
2012-08-18T00:31:45 <+izua_> i can "rent" it to you via "napster"
2012-08-18T00:31:52 <+izua_> erm
2012-08-18T00:31:53 <+izua_> not napster
2012-08-18T00:31:55 <+izua_> the legal one
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2012-08-18T00:32:12 <+izua_> thepiratebay
2012-08-18T00:32:28 <+izua_> or was it netflix?
2012-08-18T00:32:39 < Tectu> izua_, no .nzb or something?
2012-08-18T00:32:44 < Tectu> i would like to "rent" it from you
2012-08-18T00:32:45 <+izua_> anyway, it's a good story, and it's pretty "scientific" so to say
2012-08-18T00:32:58 < Tectu> izua_, can you watch it with your girlfriend?
2012-08-18T00:33:17 < Tectu> ...garage at night, building and selling JTAG cards
2012-08-18T00:33:18 <+izua_> uh, i did
2012-08-18T00:33:22 < Tectu> lol dude that movie must be awesome
2012-08-18T00:33:24 <+izua_> but i guess it depends on the female in case
2012-08-18T00:33:26 <+Steffanx> Tectu has seen "The Thirteenth Floor".. also a movie i like :)
2012-08-18T00:33:42 <+Steffanx> Also an 'older' one
2012-08-18T00:33:48 <+Steffanx> ( 1999 )
2012-08-18T00:33:49 < Tectu> Steffanx, is it like "The 6th sense" and "The 9th gate"?
2012-08-18T00:33:56 < Tectu> Steffanx, how is 1999 older? :d
2012-08-18T00:34:02 <+Steffanx> It's like the floor after the 12th
2012-08-18T00:34:38 < Tectu> Steffanx, aah, like the floor before the 14th?
2012-08-18T00:34:42 < Tectu> do i understand this right, Steffanx ?
2012-08-18T00:34:43 <+Steffanx> Yep
2012-08-18T00:34:51 <+Steffanx> Just get it and watch it
2012-08-18T00:34:51 < Tectu> Steffanx, sounds pretty straight forward!
2012-08-18T00:35:00 < Tectu> Steffanx, let's see trail0r first
2012-08-18T00:35:10 <+izua_> heh, the 9th gate was decent back then
2012-08-18T00:35:10 <+Steffanx> No, trailers are useless
2012-08-18T00:35:40 < BrainDamage> if you like primer's convoluted story, make sure to watch "memento"
2012-08-18T00:36:06 <+izua_> ah, that one is awesome
2012-08-18T00:36:36 < Tectu> izua_, i never saw the 9th gate ;)
2012-08-18T00:36:51 < Tectu> BrainDamage, is it like primer?
2012-08-18T00:37:13 < BrainDamage> both have pretty convoluted storyplay
2012-08-18T00:37:14 <+izua_> well, it has a twisted story, but not really techie
2012-08-18T00:37:29 < BrainDamage> but that's the end of resemblance
2012-08-18T00:37:33 <+izua_> you can watch memento with female companionship
2012-08-18T00:38:53 <+Steffanx> Too bad .. tpb is blocked here in the netherlands
2012-08-18T00:39:08 < BrainDamage> here tpb blockage limits to dns blocking
2012-08-18T00:39:17 < BrainDamage> everyone uses direct ip or redirects
2012-08-18T00:39:25 <+Steffanx> Here ip's are blocked too
2012-08-18T00:39:31 <+Steffanx> -'
2012-08-18T00:39:35 <+izua_> thepiratebay.se?
2012-08-18T00:39:41 <+izua_> piraatbarn.nl
2012-08-18T00:39:43 <+izua_> or whatever that was
2012-08-18T00:40:01 < Tectu> BrainDamage, don't see the relation between primer and memento
2012-08-18T00:40:03 <+Steffanx> And some crappy organization also has the power to add new ips/domains
2012-08-18T00:40:21 <+izua_> Tectu: really convoluted story
2012-08-18T00:40:41 < cjbaird> I've been told that 'Back to the Future' is a often-studied script by film students because its an example of a fairly sophisticated plot, yet isn't contraditictory, and totally complete, with no loose ends or such..
2012-08-18T00:41:36 <+Steffanx> And one of the best movies ever
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2012-08-18T00:42:04 < Tectu> izua_, so anything to "rent"?
2012-08-18T00:42:14 < cjbaird> (blog: ...just came back from a 14 hours train journey that was to spend 20 minutes fixing a computer 200 kms away.. Like 8 hours of that was spent at stations waiting for late-night trains. :/)
2012-08-18T00:42:29 <+Steffanx> At least you solved the problem
2012-08-18T00:42:48 < Tectu> cjbaird, got paied?
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2012-08-18T00:43:32 < cjbaird> This was for the non-profit ISP that I sysadmin for, so "no". :/
2012-08-18T00:43:55 < cjbaird> The payment was my hobby servers staying online..
2012-08-18T00:43:56 <+Steffanx> You are tooo good for this world cjbaird
2012-08-18T00:44:29 <+Steffanx> btw Tectu, start here: http://www.imdb.com/list/tNwWwtkvwDQ/
2012-08-18T00:44:59 < cjbaird> I would've rode up on the motorbike... except massive Hay Fever. :/
2012-08-18T00:45:21 <+Steffanx> motorbike .. hay fever? What's the problem?
2012-08-18T00:45:32 < Tectu> Steffanx, only 1000?
2012-08-18T00:45:45 < Tectu> i don't see why people love these godfather movies that much
2012-08-18T00:46:00 <+Steffanx> me neither
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2012-08-18T00:46:25 <+Steffanx> or this one Tectu ? http://www.imdb.com/list/3EoOOoPr9VE/
2012-08-18T00:46:29 < Tectu> i saw them and i didn't likethem that much
2012-08-18T00:46:34 < cjbaird> motorbike -> motorbike helmet. hay fever -> sneezing.
2012-08-18T00:46:51 <+Steffanx> helmet? sneeze
2012-08-18T00:47:08 < BrainDamage> sneeze to helmet = blind
2012-08-18T00:47:11 <+Steffanx> Just be sure you clean it once in a while
2012-08-18T00:47:19 < cjbaird> ...at 110km/h
2012-08-18T00:47:35 < BrainDamage> I have a sneeze reflext with strong light, when driving even a car can be particularry annoying
2012-08-18T00:47:35 <+Steffanx> So that's how you got your BrainDamage, BrainDamage
2012-08-18T00:47:42 < Tectu> cjbaird, then don't sneeze
2012-08-18T00:48:09 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: how did you get your steffane? sex change surgery?
2012-08-18T00:48:26 <+Steffanx> steffane ?
2012-08-18T00:49:08 <+Steffanx> BrainDamage doesn't like 'jokes' about his nick
2012-08-18T00:49:32 < BrainDamage> I'd tollerate them more if they were more varied or less frequent
2012-08-18T00:49:34 < BrainDamage> :/
2012-08-18T00:49:51 <+Steffanx> once a month..
2012-08-18T00:50:13 < BrainDamage> I mean, they are not repetitive from the same user, but the sum of various users randomly arriving to the same idea makes a contigous stream
2012-08-18T00:50:36 < BrainDamage> much like a sum of random uncorrelated events make a gaussian distribution for white noise
2012-08-18T00:51:09 <+Steffanx> We should find you a new nick name
2012-08-18T00:51:20 < cjbaird> When I was a teen/early adult, I had a sneeze reflex whenever I got suddenly aroused (Y HELO PUBLICALLY LOGGED CHANNEL) .. Which was a weird thing to have.
2012-08-18T00:52:05 < BrainDamage> considering the amount of shit that Laurenceb and dongs dump here, a boner sneeze is the least of your concerns
2012-08-18T00:52:35 < cjbaird> Not every girlfriend was told about this, of course. :P
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2012-08-18T00:54:41 < cjbaird> (CHARL YOU CAN STOP GOOGLING MY NAME NOW.)
2012-08-18T00:54:58 <+Steffanx>  /kick zlog
2012-08-18T00:55:43 < Thorn> ok wtf
2012-08-18T00:56:22 <+Steffanx> wtf what? They released favourite band pussy riot?
2012-08-18T00:56:47 <+izua_> rockbitch is better bro
2012-08-18T00:57:01 < Thorn> my atx psu doesn't want to power my boards with 12V anymore. it turns off when I connect them. it doesn't when I connect a 10R resistor. it does when I connect them with 10R already connected
2012-08-18T00:57:32 < BrainDamage> odd, sounds like the CCM/DCM protection switch
2012-08-18T00:57:32 < Thorn> and they run normally from an unregulated supply
2012-08-18T00:57:48 < BrainDamage> but I don't see why it would do that only from a certain time on
2012-08-18T00:57:58 < BrainDamage> maybe the min load resistor on the psu burned off
2012-08-18T00:57:58 < Thorn> they have dc/dc converters at the input
2012-08-18T00:58:36 < Thorn> if I first attach 10R and then the boards, it shuts down when I connect the boards
2012-08-18T00:59:03 < Thorn> and it doesn't shut doen when I power those same boards from 5V
2012-08-18T00:59:28 < cjbaird> Thorn: I was having a similar problem yesterday (in ##electronics) .. However I was getting shitty load response -- the 5vdc was dropping below 4.0 with only a few watts usage.
2012-08-18T00:59:54 < cjbaird> Tried connecting a spare HHD as a dummy load, didn't improve things.
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2012-08-18T01:00:24 < cjbaird> ..and got the same thing with 3 PSUs.
2012-08-18T01:00:30 < zyp> probably the old kind that regulates on 5V, so it doesn't like too much load on 12V when 5V is unloaded
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2012-08-18T01:01:02 < Thorn> that's pretty easy to check (and it is quite old)
2012-08-18T01:01:09 < zyp> I had the same problem and ended up buying a new psu dedicated to testing purposes
2012-08-18T01:01:20 < BrainDamage> Thorn: do you know the ccm/dcm limit too for loading?
2012-08-18T01:02:31 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/a8bMt.JPG <- I wanted a power supply capable of actually powering a hovering quadrotor
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2012-08-18T01:02:36 < Thorn> my onboard dc/dc's probably operate in DCM, absolutely no idea about the PSU though
2012-08-18T01:02:49 < BrainDamage> pc psu operate in ccm
2012-08-18T01:02:58 < BrainDamage> simply because pc draw a fuckload of power
2012-08-18T01:03:11 < Thorn> not this one, it has no pc attached
2012-08-18T01:03:38 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/acJ5t.JPG <- quadrotors also draw a fuckload of power
2012-08-18T01:03:42 < BrainDamage> yes, and old models did shut down when you put them to dcm
2012-08-18T01:03:47 < cjbaird> The raspberry pi cluster here draws about 13-14 watts at full load, and the 20W 5VDC switchmode supply wasn't up to it.
2012-08-18T01:03:49 < zyp> (and the guy who took that picture sucks at using cameras)
2012-08-18T01:04:33 < BrainDamage> some old models avoided dcm mode by adding a resistor at output to ensure min load current
2012-08-18T01:05:10 < BrainDamage> maybe yours had such and it burned out since you said that the problem started happening only recently?
2012-08-18T01:05:15 < cjbaird> Are there any solar-powered UAVs? :) ... I was thinking if it would be possible for one on Mars-- thinking if it were possible on Earth, then Billion-dollar-Science could probably manage it on Mars..
2012-08-18T01:05:29 < cjbaird> ...Venus?
2012-08-18T01:06:05 < BrainDamage> there's some solar powered manned vehicles
2012-08-18T01:06:10 < BrainDamage> but they are super shitty
2012-08-18T01:06:13 < BrainDamage> huuuge wingspan
2012-08-18T01:06:55 < BrainDamage> maybe a zeppelin-like vehicle could work, but the autonomy would be limited by gas leak
2012-08-18T01:07:44 < BrainDamage> fully solar airplane uav should be possible, but they'll need large scale and high costs
2012-08-18T01:08:07 <+izua_> i think nasa built a huge wing 5-10 years ago
2012-08-18T01:08:08 <+izua_> helios?
2012-08-18T01:08:23 <+izua_> it arched like hell and then broke
2012-08-18T01:08:55 <+izua_> or you could build a hot air solar baloon
2012-08-18T01:09:15 < cjbaird> too hippie
2012-08-18T01:09:21 <+izua_> and use some piping to heat water somewhere and move it around?
2012-08-18T01:09:48 < BrainDamage> mmm, maybe double foil to insulate well the balloon
2012-08-18T01:10:00 < BrainDamage> since you'll be very tight on power budget
2012-08-18T01:11:08 < Thorn> no, it still shuts down with 500mA load @ 5V
2012-08-18T01:12:05 < cjbaird> Thorn: I think I'll try downconverting from 12 to 5, and see how much load I can pull then..
2012-08-18T01:19:19 < Thorn> looks like this psu specifically doesn't like my boards. it runs ok with a resistor load
2012-08-18T01:19:34 < Thorn> how's that possible?
2012-08-18T01:19:58 < BrainDamage> inconstant load and too small output capacitance?
2012-08-18T01:19:59 < Thorn> provided they aren't shorted or anything
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2012-08-18T03:28:45 < dongs> lol @ boner sneeze
2012-08-18T03:42:44 < feurig> 13.....
2012-08-18T03:43:04 < dongs> ah feurig is in thet wrong place at wrong time again
2012-08-18T03:48:19 <+izua_> i think it's a thing in those japanese cartoons
2012-08-18T03:49:24 <+izua_> where you get a complimentary nosebleed with every boner
2012-08-18T03:52:37 < dongs> feurig, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2012-08-18T03:56:46 < feurig> eww
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2012-08-18T04:21:09 < feurig> izua_: yeah 13.
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2012-08-18T07:14:01 < emeb_mac> Anyone ever use SWO or SWV?
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2012-08-18T09:06:00 < dongs> http://www.imgur.com/S2bHC.jpeg
2012-08-18T09:06:32 < R2COM> is that a view out of your window?
2012-08-18T09:07:19 < R2COM> so, if theres a hughe earthquake then you are screwed i guess
2012-08-18T09:07:26 < R2COM> huge*
2012-08-18T09:13:25 < dongs> lo
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2012-08-18T10:25:09 < TitanMKD> hi
2012-08-18T10:28:17 < TitanMKD> for those interested in SM32F4 tiny board (60mm*37mm) with LiPo charging+USB and all pins output ... i just finished the design
2012-08-18T10:29:36 < TitanMKD> it will be just like a bus pirate but with STM32F4 LQFP64 and with 2 DAC and 3 ADC and all peripherals(SPI/SDIO) at high speed (up to 84MHz)
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2012-08-18T12:52:47 < ratatata> nu
2012-08-18T12:53:14 <+Steffanx> no u
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2012-08-18T14:05:02 < dongs> sup dongs
2012-08-18T14:05:16 < dongs> TitanMKD: url
2012-08-18T14:05:47 < TitanMKD> dongs see here http://bvernoux.free.fr/stm32f4/
2012-08-18T14:06:17 < TitanMKD> it contains also Google Sketchup for board and board + case(SoB)
2012-08-18T14:06:53 <+Steffanx> Too bad that project lacks so many standard components
2012-08-18T14:07:05 < TitanMKD> ?
2012-08-18T14:07:18 <+Steffanx> That eagle skp project
2012-08-18T14:07:46 < dongs> frown, eagle
2012-08-18T14:07:53 < dongs> frown, smd usb
2012-08-18T14:07:57 < TitanMKD> dongs in fact i will finish documentation about it, you have choice of standard Regulator or TI LiPo Charging+Regulator
2012-08-18T14:08:31 < TitanMKD> Steffanx what's not standard ?
2012-08-18T14:08:48 < TitanMKD> i added also png for those which have not Sketchup
2012-08-18T14:08:53 <+Steffanx> Nothing, so it's weird it doesn't have the 3d models of those components
2012-08-18T14:08:58 < dongs> or those on cellphone internet like me
2012-08-18T14:09:00 < TitanMKD> ha yes ;)
2012-08-18T14:09:25 < TitanMKD> Steffanx anyway i use components very new like TI LiPo stuff and they does not exist at all
2012-08-18T14:11:41 < dongs> sureny a 116qfn exists
2012-08-18T14:17:16 < TitanMKD> dongs do you like the board ?
2012-08-18T14:17:39 < TitanMKD> dongs if you think about feature missing it is not too late until i order the PCB tomorrow
2012-08-18T14:28:24 < dongs> does it really break out all the pins
2012-08-18T14:30:51 < TitanMKD> yes
2012-08-18T14:31:01 < TitanMKD> except used pins like USB
2012-08-18T14:32:07 < TitanMKD> dongs exactly 43pins ;)
2012-08-18T14:32:13 < TitanMKD> +SWD Debug
2012-08-18T14:32:38 < TitanMKD> and of course some pins for Power 3V3/GND and VUSB 5V/GND
2012-08-18T14:34:15 < dongs> did you connect OTG_FS_ID or wahtever
2012-08-18T14:34:19 < dongs> so you cna do usb host?
2012-08-18T14:34:29 < TitanMKD> yes ;)
2012-08-18T14:34:45 < TitanMKD> it can act as Device or Host
2012-08-18T14:34:47 < dongs> what about providing vusb
2012-08-18T14:34:55 < dongs> power in host mode
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2012-08-18T14:35:15 < TitanMKD> will be more problematic in fact ;)
2012-08-18T14:35:40 < TitanMKD> because i have not planned to add a regulator for 3.3V to 5V
2012-08-18T14:35:47 < TitanMKD> for battery
2012-08-18T14:36:15 < TitanMKD> need to check how to add that because there's really no lot of space on the PCB
2012-08-18T14:36:39 < dongs> whvih lipo does it vchage? 1cell?
2012-08-18T14:36:43 < dongs> chare
2012-08-18T14:36:46 < dongs> charge
2012-08-18T14:37:06 < TitanMKD> yes 1cell
2012-08-18T14:37:20 < TitanMKD> you can also disable charging ;)
2012-08-18T14:37:32 < TitanMKD> on COFF pos
2012-08-18T14:37:39 < TitanMKD> (near USB connector)
2012-08-18T14:37:55 < dongs> I am looking for one or two physically long GPUs, the longer the better. I didn't buy a big case so I could shove low
2012-08-18T14:37:58 < dongs>          profile video cards into it. The tech doesn't matter as long as it or they work. Preference on length is 10.5 inches all
2012-08-18T14:38:01 < dongs>          the way to 13 inches as that the longest card my case can fit.
2012-08-18T14:38:03 < dongs> Its all about how it looks through the case window.
2012-08-18T14:38:04 < dongs> PCB must be black to match my motherboard.
2012-08-18T14:38:14 < TitanMKD> to add 5V boost regulator i need to remove the LD117AS33 optional regulator
2012-08-18T14:39:59 <+Steffanx> wtf dongs ?
2012-08-18T14:40:02 <+Steffanx> Blogging?
2012-08-18T14:46:07 < dongs> yep
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2012-08-18T15:34:26 < zyp> is that three regulators? I see 5V -> 3.3V, 5V -> lipo and lipo -> 3.3V
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2012-08-18T15:39:25 <+Steffanx> You'll never know zyp
2012-08-18T15:40:05 < zyp> it's ok, it's not my problem :p
2012-08-18T15:40:11 < zyp> it just looked dumb
2012-08-18T15:48:22 < cjbaird> Thorn: any magic with the PSU yet?
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2012-08-18T19:46:19 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/4CNxQ.png
2012-08-18T19:46:22 < Laurenceb__> LED tiem
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2012-08-18T20:05:29 <+izua> what does it do?
2012-08-18T20:06:04 <+izua> is it one of those led reflection touch buttons?
2012-08-18T20:08:38 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb_, ?!
2012-08-18T20:09:07 < Laurenceb_> led spectrometer sensor
2012-08-18T20:09:18 < Laurenceb_> 20 different LEDs - each at different wavelength
2012-08-18T20:09:46 <+Steffanx> You have fancy equipment to measure the wavelengths?
2012-08-18T20:10:15 < Laurenceb_> yes
2012-08-18T20:11:44 <+izua> is it fancier than a datasheet with the pdf?
2012-08-18T20:12:18 <+izua> why the odd shape though? why not plant the leds in a circular fashion?
2012-08-18T20:12:24 <+Steffanx> datasheet with pdf?
2012-08-18T20:12:32 <+izua> the other way round :P
2012-08-18T20:12:42 <+izua> or datasheet.pdf
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2012-08-18T20:17:08 <+Steffanx> Resistor smoke smells sooo bad
2012-08-18T20:20:12 <+Steffanx> And it's funny when you can read 7805 in your thumb ( mirrored of course ) :P
2012-08-18T20:21:12 < zyp> Steffanx, your thumb? :p
2012-08-18T20:21:24 <+Steffanx> or other finger
2012-08-18T20:21:35 < zyp> what did you do?
2012-08-18T20:21:38 <+Steffanx> You never measure the temperature with your fingers?
2012-08-18T20:22:19 < zyp> oh, yeah, I remember doing that once when I worked as an electrician
2012-08-18T20:22:29 <+Steffanx> 230v?
2012-08-18T20:22:57 < zyp> no, I screwed out the main fuse for the supply to a house
2012-08-18T20:23:04 < zyp> the old kind
2012-08-18T20:23:48 < zyp> I suspected a bad connection in the fuse box, so I touched the tip to feel the temperature
2012-08-18T20:24:06 < zyp> *fzzzt*
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2012-08-18T20:26:03 < zyp> turned out the connection was so bad that it got really hot when the entire supply current for the house was pulled through it
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2012-08-18T20:28:56 < zippe> You can usually smell hot things
2012-08-18T20:29:43 < zippe> Which occasionally leads to burning your nose instead
2012-08-18T20:36:11 <+izua> Steffanx: i like it better when i customize all my 7805 with my fingerprints
2012-08-18T20:36:32 <+izua> (not sure how you'd get the ink on your hands though, always touch the radiator)
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2012-08-18T20:43:56 < Laurenceb_> izua: i have a spectrometer from ocean optics
2012-08-18T20:44:04 < Laurenceb_> so i may as well use it to check the leds
2012-08-18T20:44:44 < Laurenceb_> going to hook that thing up to an F4 discovery
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2012-08-18T20:56:42 <+izua> awesome
2012-08-18T20:57:08 <+izua> why the odd shape of the pcb though?
2012-08-18T20:58:02 < Laurenceb_> it connects into a holder
2012-08-18T20:58:03 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/OSW3Z.png
2012-08-18T20:58:13 < Laurenceb_> push in and rotate
2012-08-18T20:58:38 < emeb> purty!
2012-08-18T20:59:55 < Laurenceb_> uFL for the photodiode and FFC for the LEDs
2012-08-18T21:00:35 <+izua> i had a hunch
2012-08-18T21:00:45 <+izua> my bet was because of some special optics you had there though :p
2012-08-18T21:00:58 <+izua> also, h407 launched from olimex, at €30
2012-08-18T21:01:18  * izua checks for some spare €30
2012-08-18T21:02:53 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/oyqJ2.jpg
2012-08-18T21:02:59 < Laurenceb_> it fits on the end of that
2012-08-18T21:03:41  * Laurenceb_ checks olimex
2012-08-18T21:05:00 <+izua> is this for biochemestry/serum analysis?
2012-08-18T21:05:05 < emeb> Wish Olimex would design their supply to run off +5V instead of +6V...
2012-08-18T21:06:17 <+izua> spam: https://www.olimex.com/dev/stm32-h407.html
2012-08-18T21:07:12 < Laurenceb_> izua: tissue probing
2012-08-18T21:07:22 < Laurenceb_> i.e peoples arms go in there
2012-08-18T21:09:01 < Laurenceb_> h407 looks good
2012-08-18T21:09:12 < Laurenceb_> wish there were some nice libraries for usb host tho
2012-08-18T21:09:32 < emeb> wonder why they picked 12MHz xtal.
2012-08-18T21:10:27 < Laurenceb_> i often use 12 as its easier to get in tiny smd packages
2012-08-18T21:10:32 < Laurenceb_> but they used a huge one
2012-08-18T21:11:12 < Laurenceb_> see they have rtc
2012-08-18T21:11:25 < Laurenceb_> but you can get 32KHz in 1.1x1.5mm smd now
2012-08-18T21:11:43 < emeb> those little cans a so retro.
2012-08-18T21:11:54 < emeb> s/a/are/
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2012-08-18T21:13:59 <+izua> hmph
2012-08-18T21:14:18 < emeb> izua is not impressed?
2012-08-18T21:14:27 <+izua> the arduino headers add a lot of extra height
2012-08-18T21:14:51 <+izua> (board height, that is)
2012-08-18T21:15:08 < emeb> but it looks like they come uninstalled.
2012-08-18T21:15:17 <+izua> indeed
2012-08-18T21:16:03 < Laurenceb_> the huge electrolytic cap is annoying too
2012-08-18T21:16:18 < emeb> thru-hole FTL
2012-08-18T21:16:21 <+izua> also i mean this https://www.olimex.com/dev/stm32-e407.html
2012-08-18T21:16:23 <+izua> instead of h407
2012-08-18T21:16:26 <+izua> the one with ethernet
2012-08-18T21:16:33 <+izua> derped the links
2012-08-18T21:18:57 < emeb> looks like they just added the ethernet & changed the host port to mini
2012-08-18T21:19:57 <+izua> yeah
2012-08-18T21:20:07 <+izua> and the phy chip i guess
2012-08-18T21:20:42 < emeb> board is maybe a bit wider, +€10
2012-08-18T21:21:04 <+izua> i was watching it for a while
2012-08-18T21:21:10 <+izua> not sure if €39.95 is still worth it though
2012-08-18T21:21:40 <+izua> it's still probably the cheapest ethernet + f4 board
2012-08-18T21:21:51 < emeb> yep
2012-08-18T21:22:02 <+Steffanx> Gogo gadget get it
2012-08-18T21:22:22 < emeb> <extend telescoping arms>
2012-08-18T21:22:34 <+izua> first i need my
2012-08-18T21:22:39 <+izua> gogo gadget money printer
2012-08-18T21:22:51 <+Steffanx> bitcoins
2012-08-18T21:22:53 <+Steffanx> or whatever
2012-08-18T21:22:56 < Laurenceb_> wonder if you could make a network storage device
2012-08-18T21:23:05 < Laurenceb_> using usb otg
2012-08-18T21:23:19 <+izua> heck
2012-08-18T21:23:30 <+izua> if you want even slower and cooler stuff, you can encrypt it at sector level
2012-08-18T21:23:32 <+Steffanx> slow as hell.. yes Laurenceb
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2012-08-18T21:26:35 < emeb> hook up the DCMI, make a ethernet camera.
2012-08-18T21:28:15 <+izua> you can probably hack the linux camera drivers, and connect a cheap webcam on the usb host
2012-08-18T21:28:28 < emeb> add some servos, make it PTZ. Give it a little web server to control.
2012-08-18T21:29:57 <+izua> add an automatic softball gun, make it a turret
2012-08-18T21:30:44 < emeb> set it up to chase cats & squirrels out of the yard.
2012-08-18T21:33:28 <+izua> i think there was a contraption on hackaday or something, where a guy set up a motion detector and water spray to deter cats
2012-08-18T21:33:39 <+izua> the fun thing is, it provided live action pictures too
2012-08-18T21:34:34 <+izua> found it. fun starts at 5:05 or so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbkLjjlMV8
2012-08-18T21:41:20 < emeb> hilarious.
2012-08-18T21:41:33 < Thorn> is he actually pisses on his car in that video?
2012-08-18T21:45:57 < qyx_> lol
2012-08-18T22:01:58 < Thorn> what cameras are compatible with DCMI anyway?
2012-08-18T22:02:10 < zyp> DCMI cameras
2012-08-18T22:02:31 < zyp> (just joking)
2012-08-18T22:02:48 < zyp> DCMI is pretty flexible, so it's compatible with a lot of camera sensors
2012-08-18T22:02:57 < Thorn> googling for DCMI only finds stm32 parts
2012-08-18T22:03:16 < Thorn> apparently that's not a standard interface name then
2012-08-18T22:05:42 < zyp> DCMI consists of up to 14 data lines, pixel clock and optional vsync and hsync
2012-08-18T22:06:18 < zyp> it can pretty much be used with any kind of camera spitting out data of that kind
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2012-08-18T22:28:20 < emeb> Pretty much any of these would work: https://www.leopardimaging.com/Products.html
2012-08-18T22:29:29 < emeb> If you could get specs for it, this would probably work too: http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G17609
2012-08-18T22:40:05 <+Steffanx> "however we have no information on hookups, resolution, operating voltage, or any other data for these cameras so we are blowing them out "AS IS" at an extremely low price" ..
2012-08-18T22:40:07 <+Steffanx> aka useless
2012-08-18T22:40:42 <+Steffanx> oh, people already found the specs
2012-08-18T22:41:16 < emeb> linky?
2012-08-18T22:42:16 <+Steffanx> I don't have the specs, i only have some forum post about someone claiming it's easy to find :)
2012-08-18T22:42:25 < emeb> talk is cheap
2012-08-18T22:42:41 < emeb> URLs count more
2012-08-18T22:42:55 <+Steffanx> I know
2012-08-18T22:43:53 <+Steffanx> They even sell it for 1$ ..
2012-08-18T22:44:43 < BrainDamage> check this seller instead: http://stores.ebay.com/electronics-lee/_i.html?_fsub=1858785013
2012-08-18T22:45:02 < BrainDamage> the prices are slightly higher, but every cam has a datasheet link
2012-08-18T22:45:08 < emeb> better - pay $8 for more pixels and good data.
2012-08-18T22:45:16 <+Steffanx> ofcourse
2012-08-18T22:45:43 < emeb> the 0.3Mpx one for $6 looks good.
2012-08-18T22:48:12 < emeb> hmm - funky supply voltages.
2012-08-18T22:49:55 <+izua> neat, and there's no common range for all 5 of them
2012-08-18T22:50:44 < emeb> plus the digital I/O isn't 3V3, so crazy level shifters needed for interfacing.
2012-08-18T22:53:19 <+Steffanx> The one for 7 something is better
2012-08-18T22:53:25 <+Steffanx> 7.99
2012-08-18T22:53:39 <+Steffanx> 1.5 + 3.3V
2012-08-18T22:53:51 < emeb> yep.
2012-08-18T22:54:07 <+Steffanx> *and that 1.5V = internal regulator stuff
2012-08-18T22:54:19 < emeb> 60fps VGA
2012-08-18T22:54:56 < qyx_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Mega-CMOS-camera-module-MT9D112-PLCC24-/280910874256?pt=BI_Electrical_Equipment_Tools&hash=item416797c690
2012-08-18T22:54:59 < qyx_> this one looks great
2012-08-18T22:55:35 <+Steffanx> Why modules that can output jpeg are so expensive? :(
2012-08-18T22:56:41 < zyp> because they contain a jpeg encoder
2012-08-18T22:57:05 <+Steffanx> Ofcourse, but still ? mass production
2012-08-18T22:58:26 < emeb> qyx_: except for the funky supplies & I/O standards.
2012-08-18T22:59:10 < BrainDamage> the IO might not be too bad if it falls within tollerances
2012-08-18T22:59:34 <+Steffanx> IF ....
2012-08-18T23:00:25 < BrainDamage> checking is an exercise left to the reader :p
2012-08-18T23:00:55 < qyx_> hm, everything except io can be 2.8V
2012-08-18T23:01:04 < qyx_> *except core
2012-08-18T23:01:43 < qyx_> and in plcc24 jpeg drawing there are only avdd, dvdd and vdd_io
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2012-08-19T00:26:33 < Tectu> have you guys seen this?   http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/08.%20uM0
2012-08-19T00:29:40 < emeb> Right up there with the guy who emulated a full linux system on an AVR
2012-08-19T00:29:45 < zyp> same guy
2012-08-19T00:29:58 < emeb> figures
2012-08-19T00:30:04 < Tectu> emeb, that's the same guy
2012-08-19T00:30:55 < emeb> interesting hobby he's got there - doing difficult but ultimately useless things.
2012-08-19T00:31:17 < Thorn> precisely
2012-08-19T00:31:26 < emeb> kinda like a lot of hobbies in that regard I suppose.
2012-08-19T00:31:34 < Thorn> a free cortex core would be so much better
2012-08-19T00:31:51 < emeb> what do you mean?
2012-08-19T00:32:32 < Thorn> something that can be synthesized
2012-08-19T00:32:49 < Tectu> Thorn, not sure if i understad you correctly
2012-08-19T00:32:58 < emeb> I guess ARM lawyers would be all over your ass if you did that.
2012-08-19T00:33:27 < emeb> whereas a software emulator is not on their radar.
2012-08-19T00:34:07 < Tectu> izua, ping
2012-08-19T00:34:12 < Thorn> can an ISA be patented?
2012-08-19T00:34:36 < Tectu> is wired worth to read / get an abo?
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2012-08-19T00:35:57 < emeb> Thorn: pretty sure others have tried to release open source VHDL designs for ARM-like processors and have had to retract them after getting cease & desist letters.
2012-08-19T00:36:41 < Thorn> what were they threatened with and on what basis?
2012-08-19T00:36:50 <+izua> a softcore arm emulator would be nice
2012-08-19T00:37:03 <+izua> like, crappy vhdl cpu, now with thumb mode support
2012-08-19T00:37:13 <+izua> tectu, hello
2012-08-19T00:37:17 < emeb> A couple of University-based projects a few years ago. Don't remember the grim details.
2012-08-19T00:37:22 < Thorn> crappy ones do exist
2012-08-19T00:37:25 < Tectu> izua, did watch the rented movie
2012-08-19T00:37:41 <+izua> you could have all the arm IS and extra stuff?
2012-08-19T00:37:49 <+izua> would that be against it? or having an ARM-like machine
2012-08-19T00:37:52 <+izua> Tectu: and?
2012-08-19T00:38:08 < emeb> Yeah - looks like a long-dead one on Opencores.
2012-08-19T00:38:12 < Tectu> izua, have to watch it again
2012-08-19T00:38:14 < Tectu> izua, :D
2012-08-19T00:38:49 <+izua> aah, yes. that's the fun of it, if you don't read spoilers first :P
2012-08-19T00:39:00 < Tectu> izua, indeed
2012-08-19T00:39:07 < Tectu> izua, as i said, i just linked the spoiler, i didn't read it ;)
2012-08-19T00:39:30 < emeb> See here: http://www.design-reuse.com/news/980/swedish-students-weigh-step-arm7-clone.html
2012-08-19T00:40:33 < Tectu> izua, also hard to understand for me. I mean hard what they speak, not the content. The speaking is not that "clear"
2012-08-19T00:40:43 < Tectu> when english is not your first language
2012-08-19T00:41:09 <+izua> uh, you can get captions i guess
2012-08-19T00:41:47 < Tectu> izua, just one question: the box, the time flows within the same speed, but backwards, right? that's all, no instant jump?
2012-08-19T00:42:01 < zyp> Tectu, are you from some part of the world that dubs everything?
2012-08-19T00:42:04 <+izua> "In the past, ARM is has discouraged open-source enthusiasts seeking to clone ARM cores"
2012-08-19T00:42:13 < Tectu> zyp, no, but switzerland.
2012-08-19T00:42:26 <+izua> linux people should be more like "herp derp let us make us hardware to run our linux"
2012-08-19T00:42:38 < zyp> Tectu, and you still have problems with english?
2012-08-19T00:42:41 < Thorn> so, it's not optimized, even no pipeline, and ARM still takes interest?
2012-08-19T00:42:42 <+izua> if there was no linux and foss, there would be no android, and no arm ><
2012-08-19T00:43:08 < Tectu> zyp, i don't all holywood movies are easy to understand. I understand it like my first language. but that movie does have strange acents. ask izua
2012-08-19T00:43:28 <+izua> Tectu: i'm not exactly sure. i don't think time flows around the box, it just creates a clone of sorts during the time one of you is "out" and the other comes "in"
2012-08-19T00:43:34 < zyp> izua, I hear both iphones and winphones are also based on arm
2012-08-19T00:43:49 <+izua> no foss, no iWare
2012-08-19T00:44:06 <+izua> well, it's not like they're 100% linux code, but still..
2012-08-19T00:44:28 < Tectu> izua, so I am not the only one who dosen't understand it correctly the first time?
2012-08-19T00:44:32 < zyp> also, your arguments doesn't make sense any way
2012-08-19T00:44:55 <+izua> m-hm, i guess
2012-08-19T00:45:14 < Tectu> izua, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Time_Travel_Method-2.svg  makes it clear
2012-08-19T00:45:15 <+izua> i guess part of the growing trend on arm's sales is due to free software/linux
2012-08-19T00:45:38 < Tectu> izua, but over all: I like the movie. thank you very much for the recommendation!
2012-08-19T00:45:58 < zyp> no, it's due to people putting computers in their pockets
2012-08-19T00:46:52 < zyp> stating there would be no smartphones if linux weren't around since most smartphones are based on linux is a fallacy
2012-08-19T00:47:09 < zyp> linux being the most suitable choice doesn't imply there are no alternatives
2012-08-19T00:49:40 <+izua> nope, i'm saying if there was no linux, there would be less sales in arm
2012-08-19T00:49:46 < zyp> consider this: how exactly would android have been less successful if it were built on closed source components, but still licenced to phone manufacturers?
2012-08-19T00:49:59 <+izua> arm would be just some random alternative, i guess.
2012-08-19T00:50:11 < zyp> why?
2012-08-19T00:50:58 <+izua> well, as far as i'm aware, arm is the second targeted arch for linux software, which made it easy to make android
2012-08-19T00:51:05 <+izua> that's just my opinion though
2012-08-19T00:51:16 <+izua> i think the next one is mips
2012-08-19T00:51:24 < zyp> I was about to mention mips
2012-08-19T00:51:25 <+izua> second most targeted*
2012-08-19T00:52:00 < zyp> though, I still don't get the connection between linux and arm?
2012-08-19T00:52:03 <+izua> mh, this is in no way anything else than a belief
2012-08-19T00:52:41 < zyp> arm is chosen because it's the most power efficient architecture, therefore suited to battery powered units
2012-08-19T00:53:05 <+izua> ah?
2012-08-19T00:53:24 <+izua> my belief was that arm gained a large(r) market share due to the explosion of android devices
2012-08-19T00:53:43 <+izua> not that older phones weren't running arm7s and such
2012-08-19T00:53:48 < zyp> who did they steal that market share from?
2012-08-19T00:53:51 < zyp> exactly
2012-08-19T00:55:10 < BrainDamage> actually nearly every phone runs an arm chip, and I don't mean the one that interfaces with the user
2012-08-19T00:55:38 < BrainDamage> the last IF modem is implemented in an arm chip
2012-08-19T00:55:57 < BrainDamage> since 10 years or so
2012-08-19T00:56:23 <+izua> ouch
2012-08-19T00:56:33 < zyp> IF?
2012-08-19T00:57:14 < BrainDamage> intermediate frequency
2012-08-19T00:57:16 <+izua> why wouldn't intel be so iffy about people making x86 descriptions?
2012-08-19T00:57:35 <+izua> just because they also are in the business of manufacturing the chips, while arm only sells the IP?
2012-08-19T00:58:40 < BrainDamage> RF demodulators implement superhereterodine downconversion in 90% of the cases, in multiple steps, each step is called IF
2012-08-19T00:59:02 < BrainDamage> the last downconversion stage and demodulation is done in software
2012-08-19T00:59:19 < zyp> where do you have this information from?
2012-08-19T00:59:21 < BrainDamage> downconversion = frequency shifting, aka multiplying by a sine and bandpassing
2012-08-19T00:59:31 < BrainDamage> about the arm chips?
2012-08-19T00:59:40 < BrainDamage> look at the openbts speech
2012-08-19T00:59:56 <+izua> BrainDamage: the superhet action is awesome
2012-08-19T01:00:02 < zyp> :)
2012-08-19T01:00:03 <+izua> it also happens in the brain, say, with binaural beats
2012-08-19T01:00:30 < BrainDamage> how the gsm RF system works, I also had to study for univ
2012-08-19T01:00:48 < BrainDamage> my specialization is actually RF
2012-08-19T01:00:56 < BrainDamage> & integrated circtuis
2012-08-19T01:01:15 < Laurenceb_> i thought most stuff was single conversion now?
2012-08-19T01:01:33 < BrainDamage> you mean zero-if?
2012-08-19T01:01:50 < BrainDamage> I'm not up to date to the last 2 years or so
2012-08-19T01:02:05 < BrainDamage> but cellphone radio requirements are ridicolously strict
2012-08-19T01:02:21 < BrainDamage> and I'm rather skeptical they can meet them with zero if archs
2012-08-19T01:02:37 <+izua> hm.
2012-08-19T01:03:23 <+izua> so that dmitry grinberg with emulators worked on the android multitasking code
2012-08-19T01:04:21 < zyp> I actually work with modems, but I can't really say anything due to NDA
2012-08-19T01:04:40 <+Steffanx>  /kick zlog
2012-08-19T01:04:44 <+izua> ^
2012-08-19T01:04:45 < zyp> besides, I don't work on the RF end of it, so I doesn't know any of the specifics there anyway :p
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2012-08-19T01:06:32 < BrainDamage> what's your company?
2012-08-19T01:07:32 < zyp> ST-Ericsson
2012-08-19T01:17:16 <+izua> http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/04.%20RC%20mood%20light
2012-08-19T01:17:29 <+izua> this guy is hardcore. moodlight is a jar, apparently he was born in russia too
2012-08-19T01:17:42 <+izua> i keep scanning his site, but no mentions of vodka though
2012-08-19T01:18:29 < Thorn> yeah apparently he doesn't even keep a pet bear
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2012-08-19T02:33:31 < dongs> From what I understand, the PIC is designed to have a one cycle pause between words on the SPI when you use DMA.
2012-08-19T02:33:35 < dongs> loll
2012-08-19T02:33:36 < emeb> having _so_ much fun trying to figure out why ADC1 on  my F405 isn't generating any data...
2012-08-19T02:34:02 < emeb> dongs: which PIC?
2012-08-19T02:34:04 < dongs> ??? wtf is wrong with pic
2012-08-19T02:34:15 < dongs> dunno. any i guess
2012-08-19T02:34:31 < dongs> that has spi dma
2012-08-19T02:35:48 < emeb> hard to imagine a situation where SPI data is arriving so fast you can't stand a 1 cycle pause. SPI is at least 8 cycles per word.
2012-08-19T02:36:03 < dongs> output
2012-08-19T02:36:33 < emeb> oh - you mean output bits have a 1 bit period pause?
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2012-08-19T02:37:10 < emeb> hopefully they disable the SPI clock for that cycle. :P
2012-08-19T02:37:38 < dongs> if you have a pause and you are abusing spi to do video overlay, that 1 cycle fucks you
2012-08-19T02:37:48 < emeb> no kidding
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2012-08-19T09:01:12 < dongs> what happens when you feed adderall to a dog
2012-08-19T09:07:59 < dongs> how much of it do you have
2012-08-19T09:08:25 < dongs> lo
2012-08-19T09:09:03 < dongs> apparently its classified right there together with coke and meth
2012-08-19T09:09:08 < dongs> excepet it slegal
2012-08-19T09:19:12 < dongs> apparently there's generic adderall. do youstill need prescription for it?
2012-08-19T09:28:05 < R2COM> are you something like crazy or what
2012-08-19T09:28:16 < R2COM> why do you need those
2012-08-19T09:28:27 < R2COM> what?
2012-08-19T09:28:56 < R2COM> i opened some google links
2012-08-19T09:29:07 < R2COM> see many long psycho terms
2012-08-19T09:29:12 < R2COM> too boring to read it all
2012-08-19T09:29:20 < dongs> lo
2012-08-19T09:30:01 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRN-IrejBTw oh gawd
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2012-08-19T09:56:12 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvMw6e9T85M fucking larpers
2012-08-19T09:56:56 < dongs> and looks liek some furries too
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2012-08-19T10:37:55 < cjbaird> you're not making a convicing motive for us to watch that.
2012-08-19T10:41:02 < cjbaird> I wonder if there's an LD50 for eating fresh ginger, like there is for nutmeg. Just bought a fuckton of the former.
2012-08-19T10:43:06 < dongs> haha
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2012-08-19T13:25:55 < Thorn> "Use of our client's trademark to identify enema equipment in erotic fiction is likely to cause confusion."
2012-08-19T13:46:27 < dongs> this sounds like laurenceb material
2012-08-19T13:46:31 < dongs> http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/807
2012-08-19T13:50:23 < dongs> Accordingly, we request you revise the stories to refer to a balloon nozzle, enema bulb or some other generic phrase, without referring to our client’s trademark.” While I have been involved in some interesting side projects along the lifetime of textfiles.com, the careful re-editing of years-old enema stories to not involve the BARDEX trademark is certainly not in the top of my to-do-list.
2012-08-19T13:50:28 < cjbaird> C.R. Bard or C.J. Baird? :P
2012-08-19T13:50:29 < dongs> haha.
2012-08-19T13:52:04 < dongs> probably the latter.
2012-08-19T13:57:57 < cjbaird> Was called away to cure a hardware issue on the APANA servers yesterday. Besides the adventure of being stranded on a train platform for 4 hours overnight, I've wound up with a 4-port serial card w/ 16550 DIPs all over it.. Conflicted with throwing it out-- it's hardware of Historical Importance[tm] ('this serial card gave Australia its first public internet access..'), and I'm old enough to remember how awesome 16550s were.. (
2012-08-19T13:57:58 < cjbaird> compared to the 8250/16450)
2012-08-19T14:02:31 < cjbaird> Back in 1986, I knew a guy who designed and sold his own make of PC UART card and was selling them for AU$50 each.. (when others were ~$150)
2012-08-19T14:03:25 < cjbaird> This AST fourport was probably about $400 new.
2012-08-19T14:05:37 < Thorn> donate it to http://www.computerhistory.org/ or something
2012-08-19T14:06:33 < dongs> cjbaird: is that the buffered uart
2012-08-19T14:07:12 < dongs> i think i had that shit on a card so i could take full advantage of my u.s. robotics courier modme
2012-08-19T14:07:58 < cjbaird> d: yep, 16 byte FIFO (16550a, so it actually works)
2012-08-19T14:09:14 < cjbaird> The 4port originally came with 8250s, soldered on. I snipped the chips off, cleaned it up and added sockets, and then bought 2 16550a for ?$60 each. When I could afford it, I filled the remaining 2 sockets.
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2012-08-19T15:38:04 < dongs> Laurenceb_ must be at the ecuador embassy
2012-08-19T15:38:28 < dongs> my pal is there
2012-08-19T15:38:30 < dongs> liveblogging it
2012-08-19T15:38:33 < dongs> speech in 20min
2012-08-19T15:38:38 < dongs> http://www.imgur.com/678EM.jpeg
2012-08-19T15:40:16 < cjbaird> No Guy Fawkes masks? Boo.
2012-08-19T15:40:59 < cjbaird> Hoefully that electric generator is wired up to the metal fencing. :P
2012-08-19T15:41:20 < dongs> haha
2012-08-19T15:43:11 < dongs> http://reuters.livestation.com/demo
2012-08-19T15:43:15 < dongs> reuters liveblog
2012-08-19T15:43:17 < dongs> lagging as shit though
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2012-08-19T16:15:49 < Laurenceb_> you gunna get raped
2012-08-19T16:20:15 < cjbaird> By "Breanna" Manning? :)
2012-08-19T16:20:47 < cjbaird> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning#Demotion_and_recommended_discharge
2012-08-19T16:21:22 < cjbaird> "No, I got the idea from watching episodes of M.A.S.H ..."
2012-08-19T16:21:26 < dongs> and he sup
2012-08-19T16:21:36 < dongs> cjbaird: your lover is live
2012-08-19T16:21:59 < dongs> some rioter just needs to blast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPsMR7HvuZM right now
2012-08-19T16:23:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/xL3pS.jpg attn cjbaird
2012-08-19T16:26:30 < cjbaird> cut that shit out
2012-08-19T16:26:38 < dongs> wat
2012-08-19T16:26:48 < dongs> hes talking about reuniting children or soemthing.
2012-08-19T16:28:45 < cjbaird> and attacking ex-wives with screwdrivers...
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2012-08-19T17:54:09 < cjbaird> Something I just remembered from my Melbourne'
2012-08-19T17:56:28 < cjbaird> Something I just remembered from my Melbourne'95 tour.. Someone of the Hack3r Cr3w scene loitering around APANA at the time was getting into heroin, but I don't think that was Assange. There were junkiehackers in the Newcastle area I had to deal with.. (using wire-fraud and such to get the $)
2012-08-19T17:57:42 < cjbaird> Known associates of a certain Stan White had to have their access promptly revoked..
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2012-08-19T18:46:16 < Laurenceb_> assange is such a tard
2012-08-19T18:46:31 < Laurenceb_> he should have left the embassy about 5 minutes after arriving
2012-08-19T18:46:48 < Laurenceb_> then use a powerboat to get to Ecuador
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2012-08-19T19:41:14 <+Steffanx> nu
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2012-08-19T20:27:27 < emeb_mac> Getting tired of whacky errors with stlink. Ordered a BMPM - maybe that will be more reliable.
2012-08-19T20:28:47 <+Steffanx> :D :D
2012-08-19T20:28:53 <+Steffanx> maybe? :P
2012-08-19T20:29:07 < emeb_mac> definitely?
2012-08-19T20:29:49 <+Steffanx> For sure
2012-08-19T20:30:13 < emeb_mac> Good to know. Hopefully BMPM disables DMA when it's flashing.
2012-08-19T20:30:32 < emeb_mac> I think that's 90% of the problem with stlink.
2012-08-19T20:30:49 <+Steffanx> Don't know about that
2012-08-19T20:32:58 <+Steffanx> Perhaps zyp knows
2012-08-19T20:33:48 < emeb_mac> Maybe. I mentioned it to karlp a few months back when I tracked it down. No interest in addressing it tho.
2012-08-19T20:34:25 < emeb_mac> But I don't think zyp uses stlink.
2012-08-19T20:34:55 <+Steffanx> I mean perhaps he knows that the bmp
2012-08-19T20:34:59 <+Steffanx> does
2012-08-19T20:35:11 < emeb_mac> ah - yeah. AFAIK he uses bmp
2012-08-19T20:35:12 < zyp> haven't checked
2012-08-19T20:35:33 < emeb_mac> zyp: you use DMA in your apps though, right?
2012-08-19T20:35:51 < Laurenceb_> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Silicon-Labs/Si4463-B0B-FM/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt1yNccDxrZ0k5ERyWYoyXA
2012-08-19T20:35:55 < Laurenceb_> looks very good
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2012-08-19T20:36:21 < zyp> emeb_mac, not in a way that would interfere with flashing
2012-08-19T20:36:55 < emeb_mac> so far I've found most use of DMA interferes w/ flashing via stlink
2012-08-19T20:36:57 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb and only 433/4mhz and 868 are useful ( legal to use )?
2012-08-19T20:37:30 < emeb_mac> stlink doesn't turn off DMA, so it's still writing to SRAM while you upload data via SWD.
2012-08-19T20:38:25 < emeb_mac> since data to be flashed is buffered in SRAM, it is often corrupted by the DMA that's still active and you get a bad flash.
2012-08-19T20:39:10 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: yes
2012-08-19T20:39:29 < zyp> I haven't used DMA in a way such that it would continue running long after the cpu is halted
2012-08-19T20:39:29 < emeb_mac> I tried modifying the stlink source to do resets, disable DMA, etc, but w/o success.
2012-08-19T20:39:47 < emeb_mac> zyp:  ah - that might be an issue.
2012-08-19T20:40:05 < emeb_mac> I tend to let ADC DMA free-run into a buffer.
2012-08-19T20:42:56 < emeb_mac> I could probably work around that - interrupt at the end of a scan cycle and retrigger by soft command.
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2012-08-19T21:04:28 < emeb> Hmmm. No joy. Continuous ADC conversions appears to be required for DMA to work w/o intervention.
2012-08-19T21:05:01 < emeb> ie - you can't scan channels in single conversion mode.
2012-08-19T21:06:36 < zyp> huh?
2012-08-19T21:07:25 < zyp> the way I've been using ADC with DMA is to start a set of conversions sweeping all channels once then terminating
2012-08-19T21:08:00 < emeb> Yeah - that's what I tried.
2012-08-19T21:08:43 < emeb> I set scan mode, disabled continuous conversion, set up DMA and enabled an ISR on the DMA TC.
2012-08-19T21:09:07 < emeb> In the ISR I clear the IRQ and do a software restart of the ADC.
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2012-08-19T21:41:01 < emeb> zyp: got a link to some source for the way you set up the ADC for a single set of conversions?
2012-08-19T21:43:07 < zyp> hmm, no
2012-08-19T21:43:45 < emeb> didn't see any ADC stuff in suzumebachi...
2012-08-19T21:43:55 < zyp> I looked through it now, I'm actually using continous conversion
2012-08-19T21:44:19 < zyp> it's old, it only exists in the old F1 branch, haven't used ADC on F4 yet
2012-08-19T21:44:28 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/suzumebachi/tree/telemetry.cpp
2012-08-19T21:44:49 < emeb> Looking at the F4 docs it seems CC is needed for scanning. w/o CC you just get a one conversion, no scanning.
2012-08-19T21:45:32 < zyp> let me check the reference manual
2012-08-19T21:46:10 < emeb> RM0090 section 10.3.4, 10.3.5
2012-08-19T21:46:40 < zyp> see 10.3.8
2012-08-19T21:47:20 < emeb> seems to contradict my experience.
2012-08-19T21:49:05 < zyp> do you set the SCAN bit?
2012-08-19T21:49:33 < emeb> Yep.
2012-08-19T21:49:43 < emeb> Just tried again - appears to work as desired.
2012-08-19T21:50:01 < emeb> more flakiness from the programmer :P
2012-08-19T21:50:16 < emeb> (not specifying if that's me or the stlink :) )
2012-08-19T21:51:35 < emeb> Now need to see if a similar mode of operation is possible with the I2S input DMA.
2012-08-19T21:55:21 < emeb> Nope - I2S is an unstoppable stream, so DMA will run continuously even when the ARM halts unless you explicitly disable it.
2012-08-19T21:55:58 < zyp> won't it stop when it runs out of memory?
2012-08-19T21:56:19 < zyp> or would it just overwrite it's own buffer?
2012-08-19T21:56:42 < emeb> I've got DMA in circular mode, so it overwrites it's own buffer.
2012-08-19T21:57:08 < emeb> Don't know what happens if DMA gets to the end and data keeps coming if it's not in circular mode.
2012-08-19T21:57:44 < zyp> if it's not in circular mode, it will stop when the transfer count is exhausted
2012-08-19T21:58:45 < emeb> OK - so the trick there would be to take it out of circular mode and restart DMA at TC.
2012-08-19T21:59:14 < TitanMKD> emeb or just check your code managing the buffer is fast enough in all case and it's hard realtime
2012-08-19T21:59:54 < emeb> TitanMKD: My code is fast enough. The problem is DMA continuing to run when the ARM is retasked for flashing code.
2012-08-19T22:00:12 < TitanMKD> emeb I use circular buffer with slave SPI for sampling at 3.39Mhz and that work fine
2012-08-19T22:00:35 < emeb> TitanMKD: yeah - circular buffer for I2S data works great for my app in normal situations.
2012-08-19T22:00:48 < TitanMKD> emeb you can do this code through interrupt and call interrupt when buffer flip
2012-08-19T22:00:55 < TitanMKD> to ensure you do not miss anything
2012-08-19T22:01:05 < emeb> But when I use stlink to flash code, the I2S DMA keeps running and corrupts the code as it's being written.
2012-08-19T22:02:45 < TitanMKD> emeb just stop the DMA during that step
2012-08-19T22:02:57 < emeb> ideally the stlink flash stub would disable all pending hardware operations, including DMA, but it doesn't bother to do so.
2012-08-19T22:03:24 < zyp> no, the stlink host software should do it before uploading the flasher stub
2012-08-19T22:03:37 < TitanMKD> ha ok
2012-08-19T22:04:03 < emeb> zyp: I've tried adding reset commands to the stlink host software but that hasn't helped.
2012-08-19T22:04:35 < emeb> probably doin' it rong, but it's hard to tell.
2012-08-19T22:09:26 < emeb> Anyway - will be interesting to see if BMP has this same issue. Should have one shortly...
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2012-08-19T22:28:06 < zyp> the disadvantage of having a CPLD on my board is having to deal with shitty CPLD toolchains
2012-08-19T22:32:26 < Thorn> what cpld are you using?
2012-08-19T22:33:21 < zyp> xc9536xl
2012-08-19T22:33:31 < Thorn> altera and lattice toolchains should be ok
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2012-08-19T22:41:08 < zyp> that's pretty irrelevant to me right now :p
2012-08-19T22:41:32 < zyp> but it's ok, looks like I got it configured correctly
2012-08-19T22:43:37 < TitanMKD> zyp the xc9536xl is compatible with 5V IIRC ?
2012-08-19T22:43:59 < zyp> yes, it runs on 3.3V and tolerates 5V
2012-08-19T22:44:34 < TitanMKD> ok
2012-08-19T22:45:43 < zyp> which is nice for my application
2012-08-19T22:46:51 < TitanMKD> me too i plan to use it ;)
2012-08-19T22:47:02 < TitanMKD> it's the only one CPLD supporting up to 5.5V
2012-08-19T22:47:04 < emeb> Been thinking about doing a board w/ F4 + Spartan6
2012-08-19T22:47:24 < zyp> TitanMKD, what's the CPLD for?
2012-08-19T22:48:11 < emeb> zyp: what's bugging you about the Xilinx tools?
2012-08-19T22:48:29 < TitanMKD> zyp mainly adapt output voltage and also to do like PIC PPS
2012-08-19T22:48:41 < TitanMKD> but for very specific project
2012-08-19T22:48:56 < Thorn> just /join ##fpga and ask why xilinx tools are bad. :p
2012-08-19T22:49:17 < zyp> emeb, mainly impact misbehaving
2012-08-19T22:49:27 < TitanMKD> and why not to test the auto bidir stuff too ;)
2012-08-19T22:49:28 < emeb> zyp: yeah - impact is horrible.
2012-08-19T22:49:44 < emeb> it's got geological layers of cruft.
2012-08-19T22:49:51 < TitanMKD> zyp have you already tested the famous VHDL to do bidir automatic ?
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2012-08-19T22:50:00 < zyp> TitanMKD, huh?
2012-08-19T22:50:22 < TitanMKD> yes because by default in CPLD/FPGA we can do only in or out at 1 time
2012-08-19T22:51:31 < TitanMKD> just to do like a switch ;)
2012-08-19T22:51:52 < TitanMKD> but i imagine performance are maybe not very good less than 100MHz
2012-08-19T22:52:04 < Vutral> for spi, can mosi idle high ?
2012-08-19T22:52:11 < emeb> TitanMKD: I've been designing ASICs & FPGAs for > 20 years now. I learned to avoid bidir long ago...
2012-08-19T22:52:33 < Vutral> i mean on a cortex stm32f103rbt or so idling mosi high on spi
2012-08-19T22:52:36 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/TovBF <- my current configuration looks like this
2012-08-19T22:52:39 < TitanMKD> emeb yes of course we can avoid to use it but it can be great ;)
2012-08-19T22:53:19 < TitanMKD> emeb especially for simple logic to simplify routing and multiplex X signal as input and only few at output
2012-08-19T22:54:04 < TitanMKD> and because those signal can be I2C bidir it's cool to do that
2012-08-19T22:54:04 < emeb> TitanMKD: so which part families support bidir in hardware?
2012-08-19T22:54:44 < emeb> I assume this is internal to the part - outside is no biggie of course.
2012-08-19T22:54:51 < TitanMKD> emeb i speak about VHDL code for pass-through switch it work on all CPLD/FPGA it's not specific
2012-08-19T22:54:53 < zyp> pretty much every family supports bidirectional IOs, no point in using it for internal signals
2012-08-19T22:55:06 < TitanMKD> emeb but i have never tested it i hope that work
2012-08-19T22:55:59 < TitanMKD> zyp yes but i speak about bidirectional autosense or if your prefer passthrough switch
2012-08-19T22:56:12 < zyp> TitanMKD, internally?
2012-08-19T22:56:54 < TitanMKD> what you means by internally ?
2012-08-19T22:57:43 < Tectu> can i use the JTAG pins as GPIO after programming without removing the programmer?
2012-08-19T23:02:14 < TitanMKD> hehe on EEVBlog there's a video
2012-08-19T23:02:14 < TitanMKD> $140K Agilent 90000 13GHz Oscilloscope Unboxing!
2012-08-19T23:02:14 < TitanMKD> Sagan Walking at 14 Months
2012-08-19T23:02:14 < TitanMKD> Empress Canyoning Jade Crystal
2012-08-19T23:02:14 < TitanMKD> Sagan Bonds Video Shoot
2012-08-19T23:02:15 < TitanMKD> $140K Agilent 90000 13GHz Oscilloscope Unboxing!
2012-08-19T23:02:19 < TitanMKD> oups ;)
2012-08-19T23:02:27 < TitanMKD> 13GHz Scope ;)
2012-08-19T23:02:50 < TitanMKD> I do not imagine the price of 1 probe ;)
2012-08-19T23:03:36 <+izua> he probably ran out of money for the probe
2012-08-19T23:03:40 <+izua> and just shoved some wire in the plugs
2012-08-19T23:03:59 <+izua> closeenough.jpg
2012-08-19T23:04:29 < TitanMKD> hehe yes ;)
2012-08-19T23:07:50 < BrainDamage> they actually give him for free
2012-08-19T23:07:58 < BrainDamage> because of the pubblicity
2012-08-19T23:08:16 < BrainDamage> makes me want to start my own video blog
2012-08-19T23:11:26 < emeb> Any ideas how to take advantage of the M4 saturating opcodes from C?
2012-08-19T23:13:54 < TitanMKD> BrainDamage are you sure they give him for free i will say they just give him as Try it for Free
2012-08-19T23:15:06 < BrainDamage> considering that even _renting_ an high end scope like that costs 1k$/month
2012-08-19T23:15:14 < BrainDamage> I'd be fine even with limited period trial
2012-08-19T23:15:55 < TitanMKD> BrainDamage yes even for try it's very good but i will not have any usage of that until i have a working HackRF hardware ;)
2012-08-19T23:16:10 < TitanMKD> to check the 6GHz signal ;)
2012-08-19T23:17:58 < BrainDamage> what's a hackrf?
2012-08-19T23:18:17 < BrainDamage> yet another sdr project?
2012-08-19T23:18:25 < TitanMKD> yes ;
2012-08-19T23:18:30 < TitanMKD> but it's ADC+DAC ;)
2012-08-19T23:18:40 < TitanMKD> more advanced than lot of low cost SDR
2012-08-19T23:18:56 < TitanMKD> max 20MSPS ADC/DAC
2012-08-19T23:19:12 < BrainDamage> cute, but what's the cost?
2012-08-19T23:19:20 < TitanMKD> it will be about 300US$
2012-08-19T23:19:31 < TitanMKD> but now we have only some board to assemble
2012-08-19T23:19:47 < BrainDamage> does it include the RF frontend, or is that just the baseband stage?
2012-08-19T23:19:47 < TitanMKD> boards are 4 layers
2012-08-19T23:19:56 < TitanMKD> it's different boards in fact
2012-08-19T23:20:01 < TitanMKD> there's 3 boards ;)
2012-08-19T23:20:15 < BrainDamage> that much I got
2012-08-19T23:20:15 < TitanMKD> 1st is MCU LPC4330 + CPLD Power
2012-08-19T23:20:19 < Laurenceb_> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N9x-IfXgHj4/TvHo2-eLiAI/AAAAAAAAA1A/wLpj-ciIkak/s1600/deliverance.jpg
2012-08-19T23:20:25 < TitanMKD> 2nd is ADC/DAC
2012-08-19T23:20:32 < TitanMKD> 3rd is high freq stuff ;)
2012-08-19T23:20:48 < BrainDamage> but I'm asking, for 300$, what do you get?
2012-08-19T23:20:58 < TitanMKD> BrainDamage see here https://github.com/mossmann/hackrf
2012-08-19T23:21:14 < BrainDamage> I can google and already found
2012-08-19T23:21:21 < BrainDamage> still, you didn't answer me
2012-08-19T23:21:27 < TitanMKD> also here
2012-08-19T23:21:27 < TitanMKD> http://ossmann.blogspot.fr/2012/06/introducing-hackrf.html
2012-08-19T23:21:30 < TitanMKD> a good intro ;)
2012-08-19T23:21:41 < BrainDamage> ok, you don't want to answer my question
2012-08-19T23:21:47 < TitanMKD> BrainDamage for 300US$ it will be 1 board full
2012-08-19T23:22:14 < BrainDamage> which means? all 3?
2012-08-19T23:22:54 < TitanMKD> there's tons of alternative board it's work in progress and Michael Ossmann is validating the hi/lo freq board licorice/lollipop
2012-08-19T23:23:09 < TitanMKD> BrainDamage final board will be all in one
2012-08-19T23:23:19 < TitanMKD> it's for prototypes/validation all those boards
2012-08-19T23:23:41 < TitanMKD> i have only jellybean & lemondrop
2012-08-19T23:23:44 < BrainDamage> ok, so half of the price of an USRP
2012-08-19T23:23:45 < TitanMKD> like on the photo
2012-08-19T23:24:01 < TitanMKD> BrainDamage yes but it will be maybe 8 layers ;)
2012-08-19T23:24:25 < TitanMKD> so 300US$ for such board will be a really competitive price especially we can Transceive data ;)
2012-08-19T23:24:34 < BrainDamage> so can usrp
2012-08-19T23:24:45 < TitanMKD> yes but USRP is not opensource ;)
2012-08-19T23:24:47 < BrainDamage> btw, fiy, end users don't care about amount of layers, they care about system specs
2012-08-19T23:24:52 < BrainDamage> it is opensource
2012-08-19T23:24:59 < BrainDamage> firmware, schematic, etc
2012-08-19T23:25:08 < TitanMKD> yes all is available on github look hardware & software
2012-08-19T23:25:15 < emeb> Looks pretty good. If they can do a fully usable system for ~$300 then they'll have Ettus USRP whipped
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2012-08-19T23:25:28 < TitanMKD> I only participated on sw side ;)
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2012-08-19T23:26:15 < TitanMKD> the question is does it will work fine from 3GHZ to 6 GHZ
2012-08-19T23:26:54 < Laurenceb_> whats the frontend?
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2012-08-19T23:28:05 < TitanMKD> it's lollipo
2012-08-19T23:28:08 < TitanMKD> lollipop
2012-08-19T23:28:38 < emeb> MAX2873 - looks like a WiFi/BT/Zigbee frontend chip
2012-08-19T23:28:38 < TitanMKD> or bubblegum or licorice ;)
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2012-08-19T23:28:43 < TitanMKD> there's 3 different for test
2012-08-19T23:29:28 < Laurenceb_> i cant find that ic
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2012-08-19T23:30:22 < emeb> http://www.maxim-ic.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/5452/t/al
2012-08-19T23:31:22 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2012-08-19T23:31:30 < Laurenceb_> so how the hell do they do the huge range?
2012-08-19T23:31:39 < Laurenceb_> IF at 2.4GHz or something?
2012-08-19T23:31:52 < emeb> must be other boards for other ranges. Not all with one set of hardware.
2012-08-19T23:32:07 < BrainDamage> lol @ "Korea WiBroâ„¢"
2012-08-19T23:32:20 < emeb> don't wi me bro!
2012-08-19T23:32:30 < BrainDamage> you could chain down/upconverters
2012-08-19T23:32:34 < BrainDamage> ala spectrum analyzers
2012-08-19T23:32:36 < TitanMKD> Laurenceb 2.4GHz is a part of the signal
2012-08-19T23:32:48 < BrainDamage> it'll be rather painful to work tough
2012-08-19T23:33:03 < TitanMKD> but it can really do 100MHz to 6Ghz or at least 100MHz to 2.4GHz ;)
2012-08-19T23:33:24 < Laurenceb_> oh
2012-08-19T23:33:26 < Laurenceb_> epic
2012-08-19T23:34:03 < Laurenceb_> but most stuff ive seen with that much range has issues with LO harmonics
2012-08-19T23:34:19 < Laurenceb_> e4000 solves the problem using a CMOS RF filter
2012-08-19T23:35:45 < TitanMKD> anyway i'm not the designer ;)
2012-08-19T23:36:12 < TitanMKD> all the hw is done by michael ossmann
2012-08-19T23:36:21 < Laurenceb_> my e4000 dvbt dongle works well
2012-08-19T23:38:06 < TitanMKD> but you can only receive ;)
2012-08-19T23:38:25 < TitanMKD> I want to transmit will be fun to debug some stuff
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2012-08-20T08:49:17 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
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2012-08-20T08:59:09 <+izua> dongs: yes
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2012-08-20T14:53:18 < Laurenceb> when the hell is the F3 ref manual going to be published?
2012-08-20T14:53:41 < zyp> later, just to spite you
2012-08-20T14:53:50 < Laurenceb> lol
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2012-08-20T14:59:46 < cjbaird> F3-Discovery boards when?
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2012-08-20T15:03:53 < Laurenceb> supposedly september
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2012-08-20T15:04:31 < Laurenceb> im interested in the built in opamps
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2012-08-20T15:08:25 < karlp> Laurenceb: hah, 32W ref man still hasn't been released
2012-08-20T15:08:45 < Laurenceb> yeah but thats due to the radio stuff
2012-08-20T15:08:59 < karlp> still, hasn't been released.
2012-08-20T15:11:12 < Laurenceb> the performance is piss poor too
2012-08-20T15:21:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.olimex.com/dev/stm32-p407.html
2012-08-20T15:21:17 < Laurenceb> nice
2012-08-20T15:44:03 < dekar> internal opamps? how cool is that? :D
2012-08-20T15:45:47 < cjbaird> foodblog: eating a meat pie in a bowl of creamed corn :P
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2012-08-20T15:50:21 < Laurenceb> dekar: yeah i want to make my spectrometer hardware with a single IC
2012-08-20T15:50:30 < Laurenceb> even better if it has a direct usb interface
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2012-08-20T16:06:45 < dongs> opamps, who cares
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2012-08-20T16:21:27 < cjbaird> A mate of mine bought a new apartment recently, and the street address is 741. "Ahaha nerd op-amp joke time!"
2012-08-20T16:23:32 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OpAmpTransistorLevel_Colored_Labeled.svg wat is this
2012-08-20T16:25:20 < zyp> opamp internals
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2012-08-20T16:34:32 < cjbaird> The pre-USB Macintoshes actually had an RS422 serial port, rather than the usual RS232.. and it was implimented with a dual op-amp as a buffer. I realised by myself that it made TTL-serial cables very easy ('just switch the wires around on the the tx+/tx- and rx+/rx- pins'), without the 1489/max232 and their crap needed.
2012-08-20T16:35:17 < dongs> that piece of info is about as useful as NetBSD on a core i7
2012-08-20T16:36:35 < cjbaird> You will one day add uncessary line converters to a rs422 interface, and people will laugh at you..
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2012-08-20T16:54:51 < dongs> http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2349257
2012-08-20T16:54:59 < dongs> That is the sorry reality of the bazaar Raymond praised in his book: a pile of old festering hacks, endlessly copied and pasted by a clueless generation of IT "professionals" who wouldn't recognize sound IT architecture if you hit them over the head with it.
2012-08-20T16:55:03 < dongs> It is hard to believe today, but under this embarrassing mess lies the ruins of the beautiful cathedral of Unix, deservedly famous for its simplicity of design, its economy of features, and its elegance of execution.
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2012-08-20T16:57:46 < cjbaird> ESR was always a midget freak that no-one wanted to listen too, even back in the 1980s.
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2012-08-20T17:01:38 < dongs> haha the guy who wrote it is @ freebsd.org
2012-08-20T17:01:40 < dongs> must be zippe's pal
2012-08-20T17:04:44 < zyp> PHK is pretty known for his freebsd involvement
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2012-08-20T17:13:22 < Laurenceb> something to put in your garden dongs
2012-08-20T17:13:24 < Laurenceb> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N9x-IfXgHj4/TvHo2-eLiAI/AAAAAAAAA1A/wLpj-ciIkak/s1600/deliverance.jpg
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2012-08-20T17:15:14 < zyp> some people have garden gnomes, Laurenceb got garden dongs
2012-08-20T17:15:36 < Laurenceb> i was thinking for photographing visitors
2012-08-20T17:16:32 < zyp> I'm still at work, I never open any links coming from you when I am
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2012-08-20T18:45:38 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXGEl3a-i10#t=37s
2012-08-20T18:45:43 < dongs> LOLL
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2012-08-20T19:04:53 < DaleLukasPeterso> has anybody hear used the eigen library on stm32?
2012-08-20T19:05:23 < dongs> what is that
2012-08-20T19:05:25 < dongs> libopencm3?
2012-08-20T19:05:40 < dongs> o never mind im tihnking esden
2012-08-20T19:06:12 < dongs> Eigen is a C++ template library for linear algebra: matrices, vectors, numerical solvers, and related algorithms
2012-08-20T19:06:14 < DaleLukasPeterso> hear --> here
2012-08-20T19:06:21 < dongs> Eigen is a C++ template library for linear algebra: matrices, vectors, numerical solvers, and related algorithms
2012-08-20T19:06:25 < dongs> i see several problems here.
2012-08-20T19:06:26 < DaleLukasPeterso> yep
2012-08-20T19:06:33 < DaleLukasPeterso> what problems?
2012-08-20T19:06:38 < dongs> the highlighted ones
2012-08-20T19:08:14 < DaleLukasPeterso> dongs: I'm not sure which highlighted ones you are referring to.
2012-08-20T19:08:30 < dongs> the "C++" and "template" ones.
2012-08-20T19:08:42 < DaleLukasPeterso> what is the problem, specifically?
2012-08-20T19:08:43 < dongs> you must be using some NetBSD-based irc programwhich doesnt support bold and underline in chats
2012-08-20T19:08:54 < DaleLukasPeterso> I'm using XChat.
2012-08-20T19:09:03 < dongs> not surprised.
2012-08-20T19:09:23 < DaleLukasPeterso> great, i'm an idiot because I use XChat.  Get over it.
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2012-08-20T19:11:09 < DaleLukasPeterso> dongs: am I safe in assuming you *haven't* used eigen on Cortex-M3?
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2012-08-20T19:11:19 < dongs> You are very correct.
2012-08-20T19:11:39 < DaleLukasPeterso> dongs: Thanks.
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2012-08-20T19:13:29 < karlp> hmm, dongs, I get some highlighted stuff and bold from some people, but I didn't get any from you then.
2012-08-20T19:13:35 < karlp> *blah*
2012-08-20T19:13:43 < dongs> really?
2012-08-20T19:13:44 < karlp> that's bold for me?
2012-08-20T19:13:46 <+izua> karlp: i can send you some bell characters in my messages
2012-08-20T19:13:55 < DaleLukasPeterso> karlp: I see the astericks, but it isn't bold/italic
2012-08-20T19:14:02 < karlp> _wop_
2012-08-20T19:14:04 < dongs> bloggingforbold
2012-08-20T19:14:13 <+izua> that's way better than _bold_
2012-08-20T19:14:37 < karlp> meh, at least I'm not using 8859-x charsets.
2012-08-20T19:15:09 < emeb> Hmmm - all the font options are greyed out in Pidgin...
2012-08-20T19:15:25 < dongs> > pidgin
2012-08-20T19:15:26 < dongs> found your problem
2012-08-20T19:15:46 <+izua> <span style='font-family: "Comic-Sans MS";'>really?</span>
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2012-08-20T19:15:52 < dongs> haha.
2012-08-20T19:16:06 < dongs> # Appears as dongs
2012-08-20T19:16:16 <+izua> dongs: but do yoiu know what's even better?
2012-08-20T19:16:18 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-20T19:16:28 <+izua> (EMOTE: #071C32N) this
2012-08-20T19:16:36 < dongs> teehee
2012-08-20T19:16:39 <+izua> i still ahve a working copy of it!
2012-08-20T19:16:57 < karlp> that just came as emote: #xxxxx in brackets,
2012-08-20T19:17:01 < karlp> was it meant to do something better?
2012-08-20T19:17:04 < dongs> ...
2012-08-20T19:17:10 < dongs> karlp is obviosuly a newfag
2012-08-20T19:17:35 < dongs> who isn't aware of the awesomeness of ms comic chat
2012-08-20T19:17:48 < karlp> I guess so :)
2012-08-20T19:18:00 < dongs> they should really opensores it
2012-08-20T19:18:13 < dongs> someone should suggest it. not like they have anything to lose.
2012-08-20T19:18:31 <+izua> # joined in as spigot
2012-08-20T19:18:36 < dongs> Stable release2.5 / March 1999; 13 years ago
2012-08-20T19:18:54 <+izua> karlp: ms comic chat is the wonderful chat program that gave us the beloved comic sans font
2012-08-20T19:19:05 < karlp> yeah, I've found the wiki article now :)
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2012-08-20T23:15:07 < Tectu> what's exactly the licensing stuff of the stdperiph lib?
2012-08-20T23:15:21 < Tectu> can it be used in commercial closed sources?
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2012-08-20T23:20:04 < Laurenceb_> aiui yes
2012-08-20T23:20:37 < karlp> different versions have different licenses however.
2012-08-20T23:21:20 < Tectu> karlp, what?
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2012-08-21T00:50:29 < DLPeterson> In case anybody is interested, I just successfully compiled and ran some code that uses the C++ Eigen matrix/vector library.  It works nicely on a cortex-m3, I haven't compared efficiency to what I could code by hand, I will probably hand code it and see how big a difference it is.
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2012-08-21T02:54:56 <+dekar__> izua, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28467113/Ubuntu%20PornView.png
2012-08-21T02:55:17 <+dekar__> ubuntu is NSFW
2012-08-21T02:56:36 <+izua> nice
2012-08-21T02:56:54 <+izua> would it categorise this as porn? http://i.imgur.com/3QKeB.gif (mildly nsfw, no nudity)
2012-08-21T03:18:53 <+dekar__> izua, the funny thing is that I just installed that ubuntu
2012-08-21T03:19:09 <+dekar__> it came up like that the first time I opened the menu
2012-08-21T03:25:20 < dongs> sup dongs
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2012-08-21T03:48:06 < bcsllc-steve> has anyone obtained prices for Micrium ?
2012-08-21T04:17:13 < zippe> bcsllc-steve: for what?
2012-08-21T04:18:00 < zippe> If you mean uC/OS-II, google is your friend
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2012-08-21T05:02:51 < bcsllc-steve> oh yeah i found it
2012-08-21T05:03:19 < bcsllc-steve> How does one determine is an OS is required ?
2012-08-21T05:03:41 < bcsllc-steve> *if
2012-08-21T05:03:57 < bcsllc-steve> is there certain complexity level ?
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2012-08-21T06:13:11 < ossifrage> Has anyone used the ADC on the STM32F1?
2012-08-21T06:13:37 < ossifrage> Is there a way to tell which channel is in DR?
2012-08-21T06:13:57 < ossifrage> or where you are in the sequence?
2012-08-21T06:15:16 < dongs> um
2012-08-21T06:15:20 < dongs> ive used it with DMA
2012-08-21T06:15:25 < dongs> wehre it puts all cahnnels in order in memory
2012-08-21T06:15:34 < dongs> no idea how it works without dma mode
2012-08-21T06:16:11 < ossifrage> Yeah I guess that is what I'm going to have to do.
2012-08-21T06:16:19 < dongs> i dont see why you wouldnt want to.
2012-08-21T06:16:28 < dongs> its the easiest way and makes most sense.
2012-08-21T06:16:56 < ossifrage> do you get the result as it is read or not until the entire group is done?
2012-08-21T06:17:13 < dongs> You get end of conversion interrupt if you want, whihc is when all the stuff is done
2012-08-21T06:17:35 < ossifrage> do you have code someplace that does this?
2012-08-21T06:18:18 < dongs> No but ADC1_DMA example will do what you want
2012-08-21T06:18:29 < dongs> just add more channels w/ADC_RegularChannelConfig bla bla
2012-08-21T06:18:45 < ossifrage> ah, I'm using libopencm3,
2012-08-21T06:18:48 < dongs> o rite.
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2012-08-21T06:18:58 < dongs> perhaps look at open-bldc sores then?
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2012-08-21T06:19:05 < dongs> they should be sampling adc w/dma
2012-08-21T06:40:19 < dongs> hmm what the fuck. Laurenceb i make XCLR low on BMP085 but it still responds to I2C??
2012-08-21T06:46:48 < dongs> shit, time for a scope
2012-08-21T06:50:04 < emeb_mac> that's embedded-speak for "shit just got real"
2012-08-21T06:50:39 < dongs> oh noez, its laurenceB code failz
2012-08-21T06:50:42 < dongs> shit actually naks
2012-08-21T06:53:53 < dongs> hmm
2012-08-21T06:59:00 < dongs> ok f ixed.
2012-08-21T06:59:00 < dongs> nice.
2012-08-21T07:18:14 < emeb_mac> how
2012-08-21T07:18:38 < dongs> the nak was causing _er interrupt (of course) but Iwasn't passing that fact to the code
2012-08-21T07:18:50 < dongs> so Iw as returning true (ack successful) from code when it wasnt
2012-08-21T07:19:49 < emeb_mac> so just proper error handling
2012-08-21T07:21:29 < dongs> Ya
2012-08-21T07:22:33 < ossifrage> Yes, you really want to use ADC DMAs, otherwise you can spend way too much time in the interrupt handler.
2012-08-21T07:22:54 < emeb_mac> dma is ur frend
2012-08-21T07:25:23 < ossifrage> I managed to completely swamp the chip with ADC interrupts, I guess I need to use a timer to trigger the next read cycle
2012-08-21T07:57:11 < LeelooMinai> I have a weird question
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2012-08-21T07:59:49 < LeelooMinai> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2012-08-21T08:00:18 < LeelooMinai> ^ I use this toolchain... but I realized I have no idea where does it come from... I mean who develops it... any ideas?
2012-08-21T08:01:55 < LeelooMinai> Are those people ARM employees?
2012-08-21T08:04:30 < LeelooMinai> Ok, nm, found some info - seems like, yes, they are.
2012-08-21T08:10:00 < zippe> It's "developed" by a variety of people
2012-08-21T08:10:10 < zippe> The branch and the release package is maintained by ARM employees
2012-08-21T08:10:26 < zippe> They also seem to be testing a lot.
2012-08-21T08:11:39 < LeelooMinai> Right... so far it works for me.  I initially used Codesorcery Lite, but I think it's a bit less frequently updated than this one
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2012-08-21T08:44:54 < dongs> wouldnt trust anything at launchpad
2012-08-21T08:49:41 < zippe> dongs: of course not; I mean it's only the IP vendor maintaining the toolchain
2012-08-21T08:51:28 < emeb_mac> hmmmm - gcc v4.7 - wonder if that's got the s/usat support in it?
2012-08-21T08:52:16 < emeb_mac> would be nice not to have to do asm().
2012-08-21T08:53:20 < emeb_mac> one way to find out...
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2012-08-21T10:26:30 < dongs> cool observation with ms5611 sensor today. i had gui rolling showing the fluctuating pressure graph on screen. then i left office. came back a bit later, and saw waht looked like a low pressure glitch on gui. wasn't much, but it was a definite dip. sat around staring at the graph to see if it was something software/hardware related. nothing. then I remembered I opened the door to get to hte office.tried it agian, opening door would generate a dip :)
2012-08-21T10:28:40 < zyp> :)
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2012-08-21T10:29:42 < zyp> consider using it for altitude hold indoors, and then somebody comes through the door :p
2012-08-21T10:29:49 < Oldboy> now try measuring your farts
2012-08-21T10:30:03 < dongs> that is pretty cool though.
2012-08-21T10:30:25 < dongs> even turning on my fume exaust hood above my work desk also creates pressure difference
2012-08-21T10:33:49 < cjbaird> Apparently it's got an altitude resolution of about 10cm...
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2012-08-21T10:38:13 < cjbaird> I wonder about the pressure difference when it's in a quadcopter with variable-speed spinning things around it..
2012-08-21T10:41:36 < dongs> thats why you cover  / tape it up with foam / put it inside a box w/small opening
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2012-08-21T10:47:28 < dongs> here comes the real troll
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2012-08-21T11:05:21 < Laurenceb_> dekar?
2012-08-21T11:05:28 < dongs> nope, you
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2012-08-21T12:41:59 < dongs> hey, BMC050 is available
2012-08-21T12:42:46 < dongs> what the fuck
2012-08-21T12:42:51 < dongs> separate chipselects for mag/acc
2012-08-21T12:44:35 < dongs> heh 30Hz ODR on mag
2012-08-21T12:44:52 < Laurenceb> ±1 mg/K
2012-08-21T12:44:54 < Laurenceb> ouch
2012-08-21T12:44:56 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-21T12:45:07 < Laurenceb> my lsm303dlh gets 150hz magno output
2012-08-21T12:45:27 < dongs> for some weird reason you can get "> 300Hz" in "low power mode"
2012-08-21T12:45:39 < dongs> but anything that says regular/high accuracy is <= 30hz
2012-08-21T12:47:27 < dongs> i dont understand why these fuckers put 2 sensors doteghe and cant be arsed to actually properly integrate their registers/etc
2012-08-21T12:47:27 < Laurenceb> stripboard layout tiem for me
2012-08-21T12:47:46 < dongs> i mean  that ST's mag/acc/gyro shit
2012-08-21T12:47:53 < dongs> that one is a total joke
2012-08-21T12:47:58 < dongs> not only does it hav separate chip select for acc/mag...
2012-08-21T12:48:02 < dongs> it has SEPARATE SPI BUSES FOR BOTH
2012-08-21T12:48:49 < Laurenceb> why the hell is there a diode coming off the 3.3v reg on f4discovery
2012-08-21T12:48:52 < Laurenceb> i mean wtf
2012-08-21T12:49:05 < dongs> maybe they like dropping voltage
2012-08-21T12:50:09 < Laurenceb> yeah but voltage is going to vary with current
2012-08-21T12:50:13 < Laurenceb> seriousl;y lame
2012-08-21T12:51:06 < dongs> haha
2012-08-21T12:51:15 < dongs> lets hope youre not using adc for anything useful
2012-08-21T12:51:46 < Laurenceb> i am :(
2012-08-21T12:51:56 < Laurenceb> going to short out the diode D3
2012-08-21T12:52:04 < Laurenceb> anyways - stripboard time
2012-08-21T12:53:09 < dongs> stripblog
2012-08-21T12:54:02 < karlp> heh, I tried using the 3v3 output on the 32VL discovery board for a sensor that is 3v3 _minimum_ input
2012-08-21T12:54:14 < karlp> turns out it's not very happy when 3v3 is actually only 3v0
2012-08-21T12:54:34 < karlp> stupid power, who needs it
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2012-08-21T13:15:44 < zyp> dongs, I'm guessing they are just stacking dies in a common package
2012-08-21T13:16:43 < dongs> zyp: yes, of course but that is silly shit.
2012-08-21T13:41:48 < cjbaird> VGA ports in 2012, haha: http://www.wired.com/reviews/2012/08/sony-vaio-z-2012/
2012-08-21T13:46:09 < dongs> anus zenbook is better
2012-08-21T13:46:18 < dongs> 11.3" 1920x panel
2012-08-21T13:46:28 < dongs> and cheaper too.
2012-08-21T13:47:05 < dongs> at least it still has a lan port
2012-08-21T13:51:47 < cjbaird> With any luck, a friend will be able to indulge my hatred of computers by picking up the new Loongson3a netbook while he's in Maoland.
2012-08-21T13:52:16 < dongs> lol, if you really want it that bad i can get my chink vendor to get it for you. but is it really worth it
2012-08-21T13:53:50 < cjbaird> "Can you browse Facebook on it??" "No."
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2012-08-21T13:54:07 < BrainDamage> loongson? did you steal RMS' laptop?
2012-08-21T13:54:28 < BrainDamage> because I tought he'd be the only user in the world of that chipset
2012-08-21T13:54:39 < cjbaird> He owes me for the chocolate milk I gave him in 1999.
2012-08-21T13:54:50 < dongs> ya cjbeard is right there with RMS
2012-08-21T13:54:53 < dongs> in terms of insanity
2012-08-21T13:55:38 < cjbaird> MIPS <3
2012-08-21T13:55:57 < dongs> dont let him start hating you.. you'll never hear teh end of it
2012-08-21T13:57:40 < BrainDamage> mmm, the x86 virtualization instructions is not a bad idea
2012-08-21T13:57:41 < cjbaird> If I were buying a car instead, I'd be only of those fags who's get a Citroen.
2012-08-21T13:57:49 < cjbaird> s/only/one/
2012-08-21T13:58:52 < dongs> what would assange drive
2012-08-21T13:59:57 < zyp> I've heard he drives people mad
2012-08-21T14:00:07 < cjbaird> I scoped out a citroen dealership this evening while out for a walk-- unfortunately, all the bigger&wankier Audis and such which the dealer also stocked where towards the front of the building, leaving the Cits right up the back.
2012-08-21T14:00:45 < cjbaird> Someone would give Assange the time of day to teach him to drive? :P
2012-08-21T14:01:39 < dongs> whats he gonna drive in equador
2012-08-21T14:01:46 < karlp> "Carbon fiber elements give it a cheap, plasticky vibe"
2012-08-21T14:02:55 < cjbaird> Where's the laptops/netbooks with a full-travel keyboard.. :/
2012-08-21T14:03:08 < karlp> in their masonite cases, made by remington.
2012-08-21T14:03:14 < karlp> full travel? what's that?
2012-08-21T14:03:18 < karlp> who would  need that?
2012-08-21T14:03:28 < karlp> why would you want to press the keys further than you need to today?
2012-08-21T14:03:30 < dongs> the fags who still type on Model M's probably
2012-08-21T14:09:32 < cjbaird> dongie: actually, it would be a help if you could find out the retail price of the Loongson3 netbook. The stupid lowai price for the Lemote I've already got was AU$500.
2012-08-21T14:10:14 < dongs> sure ill ask my dude tomrowo
2012-08-21T14:10:22 -!- claude is now known as claude_work
2012-08-21T14:11:15 < claude_work> quite handy when someone need to setup a linux ip link over rs485 : https://raw.github.com/ethersex/ethersex/master/contrib/zbus-serial-host/zbus-serial-host.c
2012-08-21T14:11:34 < dongs> yea, i just had to do this yesterday
2012-08-21T14:11:52 < claude_work> oh wrong channel btw :) but yeah works great here
2012-08-21T14:12:12 < dongs> was this meant to be pasted in to #netbsd or somethign
2012-08-21T14:12:32 < claude_work> nope #df3120
2012-08-21T14:14:29 < claude_work> even over 800 meters of unshielded telephone wires at 115.2k
2012-08-21T14:17:31 < cjbaird> I remember someone giving my shit yesterday for mentioning RS-422..
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2012-08-21T14:19:04 < Laurenceb> ethersex
2012-08-21T14:19:08 < Laurenceb> fap fap fap
2012-08-21T14:19:24 < claude_work> geeeee :)
2012-08-21T14:19:50 < cjbaird> And that PHK guy yesterday: http://romanrm.ru/en/beerware
2012-08-21T14:20:14 < claude_work> raw(.github,com) ethersex even!
2012-08-21T14:20:14 < Laurenceb> hahaha
2012-08-21T14:20:31 < Laurenceb> that guy is clearly autistic
2012-08-21T14:22:20 < Laurenceb> http://provideyourown.com/2012/secret-arduino-voltmeter-measure-battery-voltage/
2012-08-21T14:22:26 < Laurenceb> omg secret
2012-08-21T14:27:43 < claude_work> pssst! there is even a secret datasheet from ardu erhmm atmel , you can goodle it and download it from piratebay
2012-08-21T14:28:36 < Laurenceb> i cant
2012-08-21T14:28:40 < Laurenceb> its bloked
2012-08-21T14:28:43 < Laurenceb> *blocked
2012-08-21T14:28:52 < claude_work> pm me , i can upload it to megaupload
2012-08-21T14:29:01 < Laurenceb> oh wait
2012-08-21T14:29:04 < Laurenceb> lolzors
2012-08-21T14:29:26 < Laurenceb> i can tunnel through uni internets and it resolves
2012-08-21T14:29:39 < claude_work> hackz0r!
2012-08-21T14:30:07 < cjbaird> The msp430's have their internal rails available to the ADC
2012-08-21T14:30:10 < Laurenceb> i haz bypassed cleanfeed?
2012-08-21T14:30:35 < Laurenceb> cp inbound
2012-08-21T14:31:04  * Laurenceb takes a seat over there
2012-08-21T14:31:59 < claude_work> better use tor to download , *they* don't want us to see this datasheets
2012-08-21T14:32:17 < Laurenceb> rofl
2012-08-21T14:32:31 < cjbaird> I suppose it's the "Arduino Internals" doc?
2012-08-21T14:32:40 < Laurenceb> eww
2012-08-21T14:32:43 < Laurenceb> pervert
2012-08-21T14:33:25 < karlp> claude_work: why does that df3120 have so much flash vs ram?
2012-08-21T14:33:42 < karlp> all the router platforms I'm using are the other way round, 4meg/8meg flash, and 16/32/more mebg ram
2012-08-21T14:33:43 < cjbaird> No hits for 'atmega' or 'atmel'..
2012-08-21T14:35:21 < claude_work> karlp, in the end it's just a digital picture frame .. some flash for picture storage and only 8mb for the os and framebuffer (btw the stock os is ucos iirc)
2012-08-21T14:35:40 < karlp> it uses some of the flash for picture storage?
2012-08-21T14:35:49 < karlp> I thought youwere meant to stick an sd card in it or something?
2012-08-21T14:36:10 < claude_work> yes almost all of the flash , the original firmware are just some 100k or so
2012-08-21T14:36:22 < claude_work> is just
2012-08-21T14:36:22 < karlp> right ok.
2012-08-21T14:36:45 < karlp> what's this usb gadget mode the repurpose linux links talk about?
2012-08-21T14:37:51 < claude_work> the df3120 acts as usb serial or usb ethernet then
2012-08-21T14:38:14 < karlp> it has an ethernet port?
2012-08-21T14:38:29 < karlp> so, the entire frame becomes a usb-serial adapter?
2012-08-21T14:41:07 < claude_work> yes or a usb-ethernet adapter . but just exposed to the linux running on the df3120. that way you can use the linux console or a networking connection from you host pc to debug the df3120
2012-08-21T14:43:11 < cjbaird> Mistyped "df3210" into Google Image search and got a whole lot of fattie 'burlesque' pics. :/
2012-08-21T14:43:23 < claude_work> lol :)
2012-08-21T14:44:54 < karlp> I just get other models of pciture frames
2012-08-21T14:45:01 < karlp> google must know what you like ;)
2012-08-21T14:46:13 < karlp> so, with this usb-gadget ethernet, you don't actually have ethernet anywhere, you have a usb cable between the frame (device) and some other machine (host) and they see it as an ethernet link between the two?
2012-08-21T14:47:21 < cjbaird> yep. the openmoko neo phone is somewhere I've used it. "ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.200 ..."
2012-08-21T14:50:50 < zyp> I've been using it for android units
2012-08-21T14:51:04 < zyp> they use RNDIS
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2012-08-21T16:31:48 < Laurenceb> http://www.joshingtalk.com/2012/06/jtsub-a-meeting-with-trident-sensors.html
2012-08-21T16:31:50 < Laurenceb> lolling
2012-08-21T16:32:01 < Laurenceb> he best be trolling
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2012-08-21T17:01:33 < cjbaird> sextractor - best unix utility name ever
2012-08-21T17:10:09 < Laurenceb> http://shannonmatthews.co.uk/
2012-08-21T17:13:52 < Laurenceb> http://shannonmatthewsthemusical.webs.com/buyit.htm  <- lol @ track listing
2012-08-21T17:16:32 < dongs> http://www.livescience.com/22518-hover-bike-flies-on-pilots-intuition-video.html
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2012-08-21T17:43:09 < dongs> im putting anew connector on lipo, should I cut both wires at once with a huge cutter
2012-08-21T17:43:48 < zyp> good idea
2012-08-21T17:44:02 < dongs> its got 12AWG wire
2012-08-21T17:44:06 < dongs> pretty huaeg
2012-08-21T17:45:58 < BrainDamage> make sure the blade is rather blunt
2012-08-21T17:51:23 < dongs> this shit is dangerous. im soldering the conector like 5mm apart wiht a battery  that can deliver 300A if shorted
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2012-08-21T18:00:19 < zyp> that's why I usually solder one wire and heatshrink it before starting on the other
2012-08-21T18:03:43 < dongs> http://www.fastecimaging.com/products/high-speed-cameras/handheld-cameras/ts3-100-s
2012-08-21T18:03:46 < dongs> Laurenceb: steal me one of these
2012-08-21T18:07:13 <+izua> dongs: is that like a bicopter?
2012-08-21T18:07:38 < Laurenceb> lezcopter
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2012-08-21T18:08:36 < dongs> gaycatcopter
2012-08-21T18:11:35 <+izua> December, 2008. Plenty of stability, no control. Flight ended on top of a tumble-weed, which promptly caught fire.  As the pilot’s wave for help received only a thumbs up in return, he pulled the burning plant out  with his hands.
2012-08-21T18:11:38 <+izua> Test Result: burned hand   Corrective Action: gloves
2012-08-21T18:11:51 < dongs> izua: wheres this from
2012-08-21T18:11:59 <+izua> their test stuff
2012-08-21T18:12:00 <+izua> http://flightlog.aerofex.com/
2012-08-21T18:12:04 < Laurenceb> http://www.ebay.de/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=251101600322&nma=true&rt=nc&si=2A3HapWIHwwXlUwgnNufPNNhZqY%253D&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
2012-08-21T18:12:08 < dongs> from that hoverbike shit?
2012-08-21T18:12:15 <+izua> it's like "pilot: something sounds like a midget with a hammer"
2012-08-21T18:12:22 <+izua> flight repair guy: hammer removed from midget
2012-08-21T18:12:27 < dongs> Laurenceb: too expensive
2012-08-21T18:12:49 < dongs> http://rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=763&productname=
2012-08-21T18:12:58 < dongs> 24.99, same shit
2012-08-21T18:13:23 < dongs> Here Offer 100% Satifiation Service,Inlucde re-send item&refund payment;
2012-08-21T18:14:33 < Laurenceb> nice
2012-08-21T18:14:48 < dongs> are you looking for a cehapass gps or something?
2012-08-21T18:14:50 <+izua> "autopilot in hold altitude mode produced 200m/min descent"
2012-08-21T18:14:55 <+izua> "cannot reproduce problem on ground"
2012-08-21T18:15:00 <+izua> that one cracks me up every time
2012-08-21T18:15:49 < Laurenceb> yes
2012-08-21T18:15:51 < Laurenceb> http://rctimer.com/syssite/home/shop/1/pictures/newsimg/1340294589.jpg
2012-08-21T18:15:58 < Laurenceb> wtf is the atmel board ofr?
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2012-08-21T18:16:12 < dongs> lol
2012-08-21T18:16:20 < dongs> atmel board = idiot shit to convert that gps to I2C
2012-08-21T18:16:27 < Laurenceb> haha
2012-08-21T18:16:33 < dongs> so y ou can... get coordinates from it.. via i2c
2012-08-21T18:16:36 < Laurenceb> or you could hack the board
2012-08-21T18:16:36 < dongs> fucking RETARDED TO TEH MAX
2012-08-21T18:16:56 < dongs> to do wehat
2012-08-21T18:17:04 < Laurenceb> id just stick some wires on there
2012-08-21T18:17:08 < Laurenceb> ublox has i2c
2012-08-21T18:17:16 < dongs> ublox has i2c for external eeprom, bro
2012-08-21T18:17:19 < dongs> dont you ever read datasheets
2012-08-21T18:17:26 < Laurenceb> nope
2012-08-21T18:17:28 < dongs> yep
2012-08-21T18:17:35 < Laurenceb> i have one working on i2c atm
2012-08-21T18:17:43 < dongs> no you dont
2012-08-21T18:17:51 < Laurenceb> theres an address to access the usart fifo directly
2012-08-21T18:19:06 < dongs> .. right.
2012-08-21T18:19:16 < Laurenceb> works for me
2012-08-21T18:19:20 < dongs> tahts why all teh datasheets ive seen say ublox is i2c master and uses the i2c shit for external eeprom t o store settings
2012-08-21T18:19:31 < Laurenceb> only on bootup
2012-08-21T18:19:35 < dongs> maybe on lea/other shit it has i2c slave but not on neo
2012-08-21T18:20:39 < Laurenceb> hmm
2012-08-21T18:20:42 < Laurenceb> possibly
2012-08-21T18:20:54 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: I linked a similar module from dx.com few h ago on #highaltitude
2012-08-21T18:21:02 < BrainDamage> 25$ or so
2012-08-21T18:21:20 < dongs> yeah I just linked to one for $24.99 and i know that one works cause its on my desk right now
2012-08-21T18:21:33 < dongs> and rctimer shipping doesnt take 10 years
2012-08-21T18:21:45 < dongs> I once ordered a wireless camera+monitor shit from delayextreme
2012-08-21T18:21:48 < dongs> it arrived 10 months later
2012-08-21T18:22:10 < BrainDamage> 10 is impressive even for dx standards
2012-08-21T18:22:19 < BrainDamage> generally takes ~1 month for me
2012-08-21T18:22:39 < dongs> Order Date: 1/20/2010
2012-08-21T18:22:42 < dongs> Ship Date: 11/8/2010
2012-08-21T18:23:25 < Laurenceb> stripboard completed XD
2012-08-21T18:23:27 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/86UFl,E6nHv
2012-08-21T18:23:53 < dongs> looks safe
2012-08-21T18:23:55 < BrainDamage> disappointed, I espected strippers
2012-08-21T18:24:12 < BrainDamage> also, why the hell is the table focused, but the board not?
2012-08-21T18:24:22 < Laurenceb> camera fail
2012-08-21T18:27:26 < Laurenceb> my mail order GR is on second shot
2012-08-21T18:27:28 < Laurenceb> *GF
2012-08-21T18:29:08 < dongs> http://strawberry-linux.com/catalog/items?code=32105
2012-08-21T18:31:10 < BrainDamage> why does the board shake when the leds blink? :p
2012-08-21T18:33:05 < dongs> haha oh wow
2012-08-21T18:33:13 < dongs> some customer submited a pcb
2012-08-21T18:33:17 < dongs> can>usb shit right
2012-08-21T18:33:39 < dongs> there's a stm32 on it, ftdi2332, AND MCP2515
2012-08-21T18:33:47 < dongs> which appears to be a standalone CAN controller w/spi
2012-08-21T18:33:50 < cjbaird> Y1974 each ~= AUD$24
2012-08-21T18:34:03 < dongs> .. why didnt the retard just use can /usb controller on stm32?!
2012-08-21T18:34:17 < dongs> o rite
2012-08-21T18:34:20 < dongs> you cant use CAN + USB on F103
2012-08-21T18:34:32 < zyp> still cheaper to go with F2, no?
2012-08-21T18:34:36 < dongs> probably
2012-08-21T18:34:42 < dongs> the entire board is like epic fail
2012-08-21T18:34:46 < dongs> its mix of dip parts and smd shit
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2012-08-21T18:35:20 < dongs> and like TO220 7805 for power...
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2012-08-21T18:36:28 < zyp> hmm, capturing HS USB generates a lot of data, fast
2012-08-21T18:37:02 < dongs> $2 for that can controller
2012-08-21T18:37:04 < dongs> cheaper than I expected.
2012-08-21T18:37:06 < zyp> hub or something is acting strange, so I just plugged a thumbdrive in the analyzer
2012-08-21T18:37:22 < dongs> zyp, i found out the other day windows cant stack more than 5  hubs
2012-08-21T18:37:27 < dongs> (or maybe usb cant)
2012-08-21T18:37:32 < dongs> i had 3 10port hubs
2012-08-21T18:37:37 < dongs> which are made out of 7+4port ICs
2012-08-21T18:37:43 < dongs> stack 2, 3rd one fails
2012-08-21T18:37:46 < zyp> I believe the spec says 7 levels
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2012-08-21T18:39:09 < zyp> and you probably have one or two on the motherboard itself
2012-08-21T18:40:20 < dongs> i thought root hub doesnt count
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2012-08-21T18:54:18 < zippe> dongs: 7 is best possible case with timing
2012-08-21T18:54:29 < zippe> And you arent using opensource hubs, so you can't check how well they meet timing
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2012-08-21T19:02:56 < dongs> heh
2012-08-21T19:04:28 < Laurenceb> lol #highaltitude cant ban me
2012-08-21T19:04:37 < Laurenceb> they forgot how
2012-08-21T19:05:05 < Laurenceb> when i point out they are virgin losers they rage
2012-08-21T19:05:48 <+Steffanx> poor you Laurenceb
2012-08-21T19:05:57 <+Steffanx> i can ban you if you want that Laurenceb ?
2012-08-21T19:06:11 <+Steffanx> Just say "Ban me please"
2012-08-21T19:06:17 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-21T19:31:02 < cjbaird> Swapping the Lemote over to Debian from gNewsense (/etc/apt/sources.list edit) ... dist-upgrade pulls in 3.7GB of debs :E
2012-08-21T19:33:01 < BrainDamage> df | grep root
2012-08-21T19:33:01 < BrainDamage> rootfs           51G   33G     17G  67% /
2012-08-21T19:33:16 < BrainDamage> 51GB partition, 33 used, 17 free
2012-08-21T19:33:26 < BrainDamage> no, home is a sep partition
2012-08-21T19:34:16 < cjbaird>  /dev/sda1 59G 28G 31G 47% /  (60GB SSD)
2012-08-21T19:35:15 < cjbaird> Whatever the point of that was..
2012-08-21T19:36:10 < BrainDamage> that 3 GB packages not a lot
2012-08-21T19:37:53 < cjbaird> It took about 2 hours to download here..
2012-08-21T19:39:28 < BrainDamage> stop using IPoAC
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2012-08-21T19:42:18 < cjbaird> It'll be another ~2 years before my area gets wired up to the NBN ;_;
2012-08-21T19:47:24 < cjbaird> Sucks to have been in a country that had a neocon government that insisted the Internets be only use for business and praising God-- and of course, Broadband Internet is used only for pornography! Every web page viewed in the country must be classified first...
2012-08-21T19:48:02 < BrainDamage> and your country is?
2012-08-21T19:48:06 < dongs> sounds like israel
2012-08-21T19:48:15 <+Steffanx> Aussieland!
2012-08-21T19:52:45 < cjbaird> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/08/30/broadband_porno_worlds_biggest_luddite/ ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/10/19/worlds_biggest_luddite_strikes_again/
2012-08-21T19:56:23 <+Steffanx> He's right :P
2012-08-21T20:01:14 < BrainDamage> 2002 ?
2012-08-21T20:01:18 < BrainDamage> isn't that a bit dated?
2012-08-21T20:01:30 < BrainDamage> or are you living the conseguences still now?
2012-08-21T20:02:22 < cjbaird> At around the same time, the Howard/Alston government did a 'review' of the Films Classification scheme, as there were calls for a 'non-violent erotica' rating. The Aussie Taliban (aka Liberal Conservative Party) did a successful campagain against it, saying "BUT THEN HORSE DONG VIDEOS WILL BE SOLD TO SCHOOLCHILDREN!!!!"
2012-08-21T20:02:52 < zyp> you guys are just weird
2012-08-21T20:03:04 <+Steffanx> Welcome to the club zyp
2012-08-21T20:03:07 <+Steffanx> *gang
2012-08-21T20:03:37 < zyp> I mean australians
2012-08-21T20:03:42 < cjbaird> 2002 was still after the Koreans got their shit together. Ironically, Australia was one of the first country to go Internets in a big way... but the Howard government, who were in from 1995-2006, did their uptmost to prevent it catching on.
2012-08-21T20:03:50 <+Steffanx> oh, yes.. i agree
2012-08-21T20:04:31 < cjbaird> It wasn't until 2007, with the Rudd Labor government, that any serious thought or money was put into Internets here.
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2012-08-21T20:05:36 < cjbaird> We went from #3 in the world in net usage, to currently something like #58
2012-08-21T20:05:45 < zyp> cjbaird, what kind of connections do you get for a decent price there now?
2012-08-21T20:06:51 < cjbaird> I've got a 8mbps ADSL2 150GB for $60/month... but 99% of Australians are on shit like $50/4GB/month.
2012-08-21T20:07:07 < zyp> oh, quotas?
2012-08-21T20:07:20 < cjbaird> Terabyte plans are up around $100/120 per month.
2012-08-21T20:07:21 <+Steffanx> 4GB .. how people survive that?
2012-08-21T20:07:40 <+dekar> yeah aus sucks, they get like 100mbit/s FTTH with 100gb limit
2012-08-21T20:07:51 <+Steffanx> 100gb is ok-ish..
2012-08-21T20:08:03 < cjbaird> Yep. It was poorly implimented at first, while the Telco cartels held the keys to everything.
2012-08-21T20:08:05 <+dekar> for 100mbit/s?
2012-08-21T20:08:23 <+dekar> my server has 100mbit/s it comes with 5tb per month
2012-08-21T20:08:26 <+Steffanx> For a 'normal' user .. sure
2012-08-21T20:08:32 <+Steffanx> Here it's FUP, no idea how much FUP is
2012-08-21T20:08:37 < zyp> is that 100 up/down each or combined?
2012-08-21T20:08:49 < cjbaird> There's The Big Lie that it costs ~dollars to send each gigabyte overseas.. in spite of peering arrangements & etc.
2012-08-21T20:08:50 <+dekar> idk, not living in aus
2012-08-21T20:09:49 <+dekar> here in germany I pay 22€ per month for unmetered 16mbit/s
2012-08-21T20:10:04 < cjbaird> 4GB = facebook machine owners. They have another 4GB account for their iPhones...
2012-08-21T20:10:05 <+dekar> also I can cancel my contract monthly
2012-08-21T20:11:02 < cjbaird> Anyone from Norway/Sweden? ...well stfu about you having better connection deals on your mobile phones.. -_-
2012-08-21T20:11:16 < BrainDamage> I pay 16€ for  10 unmetered in italy
2012-08-21T20:11:21 < cjbaird> Phone plans here are worst than those even in the States.
2012-08-21T20:11:31 < emeb> that's saying something...
2012-08-21T20:11:34 < BrainDamage> phones here unfortunately are all capped
2012-08-21T20:11:44 < BrainDamage> 1GB for 6€ :/
2012-08-21T20:11:58 <+Steffanx> 6 what?
2012-08-21T20:12:03 < BrainDamage> euro
2012-08-21T20:12:08 < zyp> I'm in Norway, but I don't have an expensive phone plan
2012-08-21T20:12:11 < BrainDamage> no utf-8 support?
2012-08-21T20:12:11 <+Steffanx> Lucky you BrainDamage
2012-08-21T20:12:15 <+dekar> I pay 3.50€ for 100mb/month on 3g
2012-08-21T20:12:21 <+Steffanx> ^^
2012-08-21T20:12:23 < cjbaird> ...I think that answers the earlier question about 'still living the consequences'? :P :)
2012-08-21T20:13:05 < zyp> my plan includes half a gig per month, I'm probably using aroundt 100 or so at most
2012-08-21T20:14:02 < zyp> 100 MB*
2012-08-21T20:14:16 < zyp> so far I'm at 87 MB this month
2012-08-21T20:14:47 < BrainDamage> oh and I forgot, the 6€ data plan, includes 1k SMS vs national numbers, of any operator
2012-08-21T20:14:52 < cjbaird> ..make that 4.8GB of debs...
2012-08-21T20:15:12 < BrainDamage> if I exceed, it's 1MB/€ tough :/
2012-08-21T20:15:28 < zyp> hmm, my plan is 800 minutes, 800 messages, 400 MB
2012-08-21T20:15:36 < karlp> cjbaird: they're not that bad, I was back in aus for 2 months in feb/march, and 30$/month got me plenty of data on the phone
2012-08-21T20:15:47 < zyp> for 250 NOK or so
2012-08-21T20:15:48 < karlp> we both used our phones for whatever we wanted around aus
2012-08-21T20:15:52 <+dekar> for me it just is throttled to like 10kbyte/s once I am over 100mb - takes them a day or two to enable though :D
2012-08-21T20:16:50 < cjbaird> $30/month is acceptible for vistors, but that's $500/year too much for those of us stuck here. :/
2012-08-21T20:18:22 < zyp> cjbaird, that doesn't sound expensive to me
2012-08-21T20:19:00 < zyp> here in norway, everything is expensive
2012-08-21T20:19:36 < zyp> until you start comparing it to what people earn
2012-08-21T20:19:44 < karlp> cjbaird: beers in aus were $10 in bars,
2012-08-21T20:19:55 < karlp> I can't complain about $30 a month for a full phone service
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2012-08-21T20:20:36 < zyp> karlp, that's also more expensive in norway :p
2012-08-21T20:20:58 < karlp> but what's your phone bill in terms of beers :)
2012-08-21T20:21:06 <+dekar> zyp, isn't a pizza like 20usd in norway?
2012-08-21T20:21:23 < zyp> if you order one?
2012-08-21T20:21:29 <+dekar> yeah
2012-08-21T20:21:29 < BrainDamage> they should normalize the average life cost by the average wage, I'd be interesting to have a country independent quality of life cost index
2012-08-21T20:21:46 < zyp> I ordered a large pizza the other day, I paid >$30
2012-08-21T20:21:52 <+Steffanx> lol
2012-08-21T20:21:55 < cjbaird> Beers in regular bars are usually $4.5-$6; although that's crap like Tooheys New.
2012-08-21T20:21:58 < karlp> yeah, too many things are "that's expensive!" without any relation to what pays are, and what costs are.
2012-08-21T20:22:08 < karlp> cjbaird: bullshit. a schooner in a local maybe
2012-08-21T20:22:14 < karlp> try getting a pint in town
2012-08-21T20:22:16 <+Steffanx> That's why the hamburger ( or was it big-mac) index exists :P
2012-08-21T20:22:34 < karlp> Steffanx: but that doens't relate to the fact that bigmacs are not always an equal portion of wage
2012-08-21T20:22:48 < cjbaird> Only tourists buy beers in George St. :P
2012-08-21T20:23:13 < karlp> I'm not talking about tourist traps, I grew up in brisbane, I was out with friends in brisbane perth and melbourne
2012-08-21T20:23:15 < BrainDamage> for instance, take that pizza index
2012-08-21T20:23:23 < karlp> and we were consistently above $9 for beers in bars
2012-08-21T20:23:24 < BrainDamage> pizza here costs 4-5€ on average
2012-08-21T20:23:26 < zyp> the nice part about living in norway is that other countries are so cheap :p
2012-08-21T20:23:35 < BrainDamage> but I live in italy, there's a pizzeria ever 300m
2012-08-21T20:23:38 <+Steffanx> You are in pizzaland, that d oesn't count
2012-08-21T20:23:42 < BrainDamage> exactly
2012-08-21T20:23:51 < BrainDamage> and hamburger index doesn't count in usa
2012-08-21T20:23:53 <+Steffanx> :P
2012-08-21T20:24:03 <+Steffanx> It was bigmac btw
2012-08-21T20:26:08 < cjbaird> I've settled on the 'Mars Bar Index' being more representative..
2012-08-21T20:28:13 <+Steffanx> Sure?
2012-08-21T20:28:52 <+Steffanx> You should select a non-us product
2012-08-21T20:29:10 < karlp> nestle counts as US?
2012-08-21T20:29:57 <+Steffanx> no
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2012-08-21T20:30:24 < cjbaird> Milky Way ~= Mars Bars
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2012-08-21T20:30:47 < karlp> if you think caramel ~= 0
2012-08-21T20:31:17 < zyp> «my sweets are better than your sweets»
2012-08-21T20:31:44 < karlp> not taht, I was saying that a milky way is not a mars bar
2012-08-21T20:31:52 < karlp> it's like saying a snickers is a mars bar, if you ignore the peanuts
2012-08-21T20:32:08 < karlp> gah, I'm arguing on the internet
2012-08-21T20:32:15 < karlp> this is what happens when I'm working in the hot room.
2012-08-21T20:32:25 < karlp> need to go back to the ariconditioned part of the office
2012-08-21T20:32:29 < BrainDamage> here there's not even milky way bars around
2012-08-21T20:32:41 < cjbaird> Comparible when making trade and commodity price comparisons, obviously.
2012-08-21T20:33:20 < karlp> milky ways are subtantially cheaper than mars bars though...
2012-08-21T20:33:55 < BrainDamage> also, commodity cost is largely dependent on local preferences and availability
2012-08-21T20:34:15 < BrainDamage> if a country is big on mars bars, might have them cheap
2012-08-21T20:34:33 < BrainDamage> chance is if you buy say, haribo liquorice, it won't be as cheap
2012-08-21T20:34:43 < BrainDamage> hence why you want an average of most commonly consumed goods
2012-08-21T20:35:53 < cjbaird> robot daily dose: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/images/?ImageID=4510
2012-08-21T20:40:25 < emeb> wiggly wheels
2012-08-21T20:41:52 < cjbaird> I'd been totally stoked, knowing that something I'd made/assembled was on Mars, with the pics to prove it..
2012-08-21T20:42:43 < emeb> working in aerospace is ...interesting. Years of design, build. Then wait & hope the launch guys don't screw it up. Then wait some more.
2012-08-21T20:43:01 < emeb> Finally find out if the stuff you did works.
2012-08-21T20:43:09 < emeb> Talk about delayed gratification...
2012-08-21T20:45:09 <+Steffanx> proof ? cjbaird ? :P
2012-08-21T20:45:52 < emeb> It's all being faked in a warehouse somewhere...
2012-08-21T20:46:31 < cjbaird> Steffanx: would've been clearer if I'd said "I'd be totally stoked, if something I'd made was..."
2012-08-21T20:47:48 < cjbaird> The closest my Space Sciences career got to anything was a month of training at a Satellite Tracking station... :/
2012-08-21T20:51:20 < cjbaird> Heaps of cool pix on Wikipedia's pages from the Spirit and Opportunity rovers.
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2012-08-21T22:52:22 < Laurenceb_> if i want to get some data from an isr to a thread is chibios whats the best way?
2012-08-21T22:52:26 < Laurenceb_> IO queues?
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2012-08-21T23:08:27 < Laurenceb_> is it ok to use a voltaile global to pass data between to interrupt service routines in chibios?
2012-08-21T23:09:04 < zyp> as a data buffer, sure
2012-08-21T23:09:15 < zyp> keep in mind syncing accesses to it though
2012-08-21T23:13:26 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2012-08-21T23:13:39 < Laurenceb_> i want data to pass between adc1 and adc2 callbacks
2012-08-21T23:14:01 < Laurenceb_> i think they should have same preemption priority, so cannot interrupt one another
2012-08-21T23:14:06 < Laurenceb_> so global should work?
2012-08-21T23:22:02 < zyp> sure, if it's ever only accessed from an ISR
2012-08-21T23:22:51 < zyp> you can probably even get by with not declaring it volatile then, since it can't change during the execution of an ISR, except by that ISR
2012-08-21T23:28:08 < Laurenceb_> ok
2012-08-21T23:28:40 < Laurenceb_> have you ever used the chibios usb ACM driver ?
2012-08-21T23:31:47 < zyp> yes
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2012-08-21T23:37:40 < Laurenceb_> im wanting to read characters
2012-08-21T23:37:41 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/mabl/ChibiOS/blob/master/os/various/shell.c#L255
2012-08-21T23:37:46 < Laurenceb_> looks like what i want?
2012-08-21T23:37:57 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/mabl/ChibiOS/blob/master/os/various/shell.c#L261
2012-08-21T23:38:08 < Laurenceb_> ^ i dont quite follow, what if there is no data?
2012-08-21T23:39:57 < Laurenceb_> do streams block?
2012-08-21T23:40:15 < zyp> no idea
2012-08-21T23:41:31 < zyp> yeah, likely
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2012-08-21T23:42:07 < zyp> comment says it will only return TRUE om stream reset or EOF
2012-08-21T23:42:12 < Laurenceb_> that would make sense
2012-08-21T23:42:25 < zyp> so I'm assuming that only a reset will make a read return 0 bytes
2012-08-21T23:42:37 < Laurenceb_> so the getline function blocks or loops until it gets \r\n
2012-08-21T23:43:18 < Laurenceb_> guess i need a separate thread for it then
2012-08-21T23:43:32 < Laurenceb_> i can still chprintf to the USB from the main thread?
2012-08-21T23:43:41 < zyp> no idea
2012-08-21T23:45:11 < Laurenceb_> its part of the same stream
2012-08-21T23:45:36 < Laurenceb_> or BaseChannel rather
2012-08-21T23:46:45 < Laurenceb_> well ill try chprintf from the main thread first then try experimenting with control commands
2012-08-21T23:48:56 < Laurenceb_> ideally id have a blocking thread that reads the usb and interprets, then send commands the the main thread via a mailbox
2012-08-21T23:49:00 < Laurenceb_> sounds sane?
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2012-08-22T00:22:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.amazon.co.uk/KEEP-CALM-TROLL-Troll-T-Shirt/dp/B005T6YYDE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_ap_4
2012-08-22T00:23:16 <+Steffanx> Get it and resell it .. as 2nd hand T-shirt :P
2012-08-22T00:23:46 <+Steffanx> dongs should wear it first though
2012-08-22T00:37:19 < BrainDamage> I wonder what he'd do to it knowing laurenced would touch it
2012-08-22T00:38:01 < BrainDamage> I also saw some stores IRL that sold tshirts with rage faces
2012-08-22T00:38:13 < BrainDamage> somehow internet fads leaking to RL disturbs me
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2012-08-22T15:36:34 < cjbaird> wut: http://cacm.acm.org/news/100414-chinese-chip-closes-in-on-intel-amd/
2012-08-22T15:39:42 < zyp> two year old news?
2012-08-22T15:40:46 < karlp> exactly what I was about to say
2012-08-22T15:42:43 < cjbaird> My lemote's photo... on the ACM.org site. ffuuuu.
2012-08-22T15:43:41 < cjbaird> I spent ~5 years trying to get the ACM to stop spamming me.. So much for a supposed professional computing industry organization..
2012-08-22T15:46:18 < BrainDamage> are loongson chipset considerably cheaper than x86 counterparts?
2012-08-22T15:47:50 < karlp> doesn't matter, they are made in the gloriously correct country
2012-08-22T15:48:43 < cjbaird> by Best STMicroelectronics
2012-08-22T15:49:23 < cjbaird> (stm do the actual chip production, under contract)
2012-08-22T15:53:07  * cjbaird wants a Godson3C-Discovery board now
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2012-08-22T16:03:54 < Laurenceb> looks like im never going to be a father now
2012-08-22T16:04:24 < zyp> did anyone ever assume you would be one?
2012-08-22T16:04:32 < Laurenceb> well according to Todd Akin
2012-08-22T16:05:09 < jpa-> you tried to have children with him?
2012-08-22T16:05:32 < Laurenceb> lmao
2012-08-22T16:10:44 < BrainDamage> did you troll the wrong person and you got kicked in the balls so hard they become permanently damaged?
2012-08-22T16:11:01 < BrainDamage> ( not that the'd have a chance to be used anyway )
2012-08-22T16:16:20 < Laurenceb> erm
2012-08-22T16:16:32 < Laurenceb> BrainDamage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M09iWwKiDsA
2012-08-22T16:17:48 < dongs> Laurenceb / zyp placing sensors on separate vcc was pretty useful. I dont have any exact numbers but shit like acc noise reduced by a few lsb
2012-08-22T16:18:12 < Laurenceb> yeah - depends on the sensors
2012-08-22T16:18:31 < Laurenceb> AD stuff tends to be ok with noise, other kit not so much
2012-08-22T16:18:56 < Laurenceb> i use smps -> 3.6v then chokes and 3.3v ldo for each rail
2012-08-22T16:19:09 < dongs> right.
2012-08-22T16:19:14 < zyp> I might do something like that for my next board
2012-08-22T16:19:31 < Laurenceb> 0603 "ferrite bead" things
2012-08-22T16:19:37 < BrainDamage> I feel I become dumber after watching that video
2012-08-22T16:20:34 < Laurenceb> infected with mental
2012-08-22T16:21:19 < dongs> yeah feerit bead.
2012-08-22T16:21:26 < dongs> but thats just regular LC filtering shit orw ahtever
2012-08-22T16:21:28 < dongs> analol'g shit
2012-08-22T16:21:37 < dongs> i just take a random 60R bead I got and rock out.
2012-08-22T16:21:44 < dongs> DCR? who cares
2012-08-22T16:21:50 < dongs> Q? who cares.
2012-08-22T16:21:51 < dongs> etc.
2012-08-22T16:22:09 < BrainDamage> the LDO helps quite a bit
2012-08-22T16:22:48 < Laurenceb> trolls trolling trolls
2012-08-22T16:26:03 < dongs> flyback is hardly clasifyable as a troll.
2012-08-22T16:26:12 < dongs> more like a flameout
2012-08-22T16:42:23 < Laurenceb> hmm chibios seems to be jammed up on f4 discovery
2012-08-22T16:42:38 < Laurenceb> 0x080004e2 in port_halt () at ../ChibiOS/os/ports/GCC/ARMCMx/chcore.c:41
2012-08-22T16:42:38 < Laurenceb> 41	  port_disable();
2012-08-22T16:43:06 < Laurenceb> wait wtf it works fine
2012-08-22T16:43:10 < Laurenceb> had to hit reset
2012-08-22T16:44:50 < dongs> porn_halt()
2012-08-22T16:44:53 < dongs> more like
2012-08-22T16:45:23 < Laurenceb> Board:        ST STM32F4-Discovery
2012-08-22T16:45:23 < Laurenceb> Build time:   Aug 22 2012 - 14:39:32
2012-08-22T16:45:24 < Laurenceb> nice
2012-08-22T16:45:36 < Laurenceb> its alive as /dev/ttyACM0
2012-08-22T16:46:05 < Laurenceb> i like the usb connection led
2012-08-22T16:47:01 < jpa-> yay, so chibios usb on F4 finally works?
2012-08-22T16:48:48 < BrainDamage> will you send the patch back to the mainstream?
2012-08-22T16:50:02 < Laurenceb> huh
2012-08-22T16:50:11 < Laurenceb> worked straight away
2012-08-22T16:50:22 < Laurenceb> i copied F4 example code and used latest stlink
2012-08-22T16:50:43 < jpa-> latest svn of chibios?
2012-08-22T16:51:01 < jpa-> i have heard rumors that the F4 usb code is in chibios svn now, but nothing definitive :)
2012-08-22T16:53:40 < Laurenceb> yes
2012-08-22T16:53:45 < Laurenceb> its working fine for me
2012-08-22T16:53:47 < Laurenceb> - the usb
2012-08-22T16:54:42 < jpa-> good to know
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2012-08-22T17:05:44 < Laurenceb> wtf ST
2012-08-22T17:05:57 < Laurenceb> discoverys cant be powered off the micro usb
2012-08-22T17:06:05 < Laurenceb> going to have to hack U6
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2012-08-22T17:06:11 < Laurenceb> - the power switch
2012-08-22T17:07:43 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/internet/analog/product/174625.jsp
2012-08-22T17:07:46 < Laurenceb> nice device
2012-08-22T17:10:38 < Laurenceb> "Note: In the case where the switch is ON, and a voltage higher than VIN is applied to the OUT pin,
2012-08-22T17:10:39 < Laurenceb>      a reverse current occurs. This operating condition is not allowed.
2012-08-22T17:10:39 < Laurenceb> "
2012-08-22T17:10:40 < Laurenceb> rage
2012-08-22T17:11:01 < Thorn__> https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/8/17/g_6--0upr0OFa7AdiowZpw2.jpg
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2012-08-22T17:11:34 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-22T17:11:48 < Laurenceb> looks like wire jumper time?
2012-08-22T17:12:01 < Laurenceb> yeah but i want to power from the micro usb side
2012-08-22T17:13:11 < zyp> it's wired to be able to provide power to the micro side, that's why you can't draw power from it
2012-08-22T17:14:14 < Laurenceb> i know
2012-08-22T17:14:34 < Laurenceb> actually they broke the spec as they should have a fet to tie usb cable sheild at the host side
2012-08-22T17:15:08 < Laurenceb> a 0.1" header fits nicely onto the top of a sot23, so ill do that
2012-08-22T17:15:25 < Laurenceb> then use a jumper to allow powering off micro usb
2012-08-22T17:16:45 < zyp> Laurenceb, ref. on that spec
2012-08-22T17:17:25 < zyp> looking at OTG spec, can't find anything about the shield
2012-08-22T17:18:07 < Laurenceb> hmm maybe not
2012-08-22T17:18:09 < Laurenceb> In OTG applications the shield may be DC grounded at both ends of the cable.
2012-08-22T17:18:34 < zyp> Laurenceb, where are you reading this?
2012-08-22T17:18:53 < Laurenceb> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=usb%20otg%20shield%20ground&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CEoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sparkfun.com%2Fdatasheets%2FComponents%2FSMD%2FUSB3318-an169.pdf&ei=5Ok0UMTgFeX80QX0-YDoBQ&usg=AFQjCNF9K8De3VhNCnUMCrwzYQoPyFkn9g&cad=rja
2012-08-22T17:19:42 < zyp> «industry convention»
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2012-08-22T17:24:20 < upgrdman_> in many consumer electronics if you hold down a pushbutton it will do something (like increment a value) once per second for the first few seconds, then it will speed up if you keep holding down the button. what would be the best way to implement that with the stm32f4? i'm guessing a timer that is triggered on a rising edge, with an ISR that reconfigures the ARR after x ISR calls?
2012-08-22T17:28:12 < Laurenceb> score - it works
2012-08-22T17:29:23 < Laurenceb> U8 is pretty small
2012-08-22T17:36:53 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=e55f3f5f75b5a7bb&id=E55F3F5F75B5A7BB!1160
2012-08-22T17:37:01 < BrainDamage> E4000 tuner datasheet and app notes
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2012-08-22T17:37:12 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2012-08-22T17:37:14 < Laurenceb> nice find
2012-08-22T17:37:47 < Laurenceb> haha the ref design
2012-08-22T17:37:52 < Laurenceb> identical the my dongle
2012-08-22T17:40:56 < zyp> Laurenceb, yeah, U8 is a flip-chip
2012-08-22T17:43:47 < Laurenceb> oh
2012-08-22T17:44:02 < Laurenceb> e4000 uses a very high frequency vco
2012-08-22T17:44:07 < Laurenceb> up to 4GHz
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2012-08-22T17:44:58 < Laurenceb> 1.7 Three phase mixing
2012-08-22T17:44:58 < Laurenceb> Three phase mixing combines high speed clocks to create a local oscillator clock with slower edge speeds.
2012-08-22T17:44:58 < Laurenceb> This is used to reduce the high frequency harmonics, which when operating at low frequencies would be
2012-08-22T17:44:58 < Laurenceb> within the tuner bandwidth. This feature prevents interferer signals mixing with harmonics of the local
2012-08-22T17:44:58 < Laurenceb> oscillator frequency, increasing the dynamic range of the tuner..
2012-08-22T17:44:59 < Laurenceb> It is recommended that three phase mixing should be used for VHF operation
2012-08-22T17:45:07 < Laurenceb> genius
2012-08-22T17:50:04 < BrainDamage> I think I'm going to buy 2 more sticks before they completely run out of E4000 tuners
2012-08-22T17:50:12 < BrainDamage> bleh, more wasted money
2012-08-22T17:52:57 < Laurenceb> heh
2012-08-22T17:53:02 < Laurenceb> where from?
2012-08-22T17:54:27 < BrainDamage> ebay unfortunately, there's no local reseller, the closest is in germany
2012-08-22T17:54:39 < Laurenceb> ah
2012-08-22T18:05:25 < cjbaird> Just got a serial-interface jpeg camera happening.. http://i.imgur.com/O8NhI.jpg (default power-up settings)
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2012-08-22T18:10:12 < cjbaird> Irritatingly, it only speaks JPEG, so the stm32f4 will need a decoder onboard if it's to do any processing.
2012-08-22T18:10:26 < zyp> heh
2012-08-22T18:12:20 < zyp> I started playing with code to make usb descriptors
2012-08-22T18:12:45 < jpa-> cjbaird: you could take just the average values for each 16x16 block, depending on what kind of processing you want :)
2012-08-22T18:14:22 < zyp> I want to be able to format the descriptor into a nice buffer at compile time, without having to explicitly declare structs to wrap other structs
2012-08-22T18:14:44 < cjbaird> Yep. Somewhere I've got a minimalist jpeg decoder that includes that trick.
2012-08-22T18:15:29 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/lBvmJ <- so I'm using some C++11 template trickery to do that
2012-08-22T18:15:44 < zyp> seems to work fairly nice
2012-08-22T18:16:21 < zyp> next step is to fill in sizes and other constant stuff automatically
2012-08-22T18:16:50  * Laurenceb is trying to find a way to put black silicone rubber around bare die leds without blocking the light
2012-08-22T18:17:14 < zyp> and infer stuff like number of configurations/interfaces/endpoints automatically by the number of descriptors I define
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2012-08-22T18:32:52 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19346468
2012-08-22T18:37:27 < Laurenceb> wtf
2012-08-22T18:37:37 < Laurenceb> i cant squirt silicone rubber out a syringe
2012-08-22T18:38:21 < Laurenceb> just get an air pocket down the middle of the tube
2012-08-22T18:38:30 < cjbaird> coat the LEDs in wax, and crape it off afterwards?
2012-08-22T18:40:29 < Laurenceb> hmm
2012-08-22T18:40:43 < Laurenceb> im bonding them to a silicone rubber sheet
2012-08-22T18:41:12 < Laurenceb> sheet is 0.2mm thick,  LEDs are wire bonded to a flexi pcb then flexi pcb in bonded to sheet
2012-08-22T18:41:21 < Laurenceb> led facing down
2012-08-22T18:41:43 < Laurenceb> i want to block stray light from coming out of the back - it all has to go through the sheet
2012-08-22T18:49:57 < upgrdman_> if the silicone won't come out it's probably too thick for the nozzle
2012-08-22T18:50:15 < upgrdman_> might need to thin it, but i dont know what safely thins silicone adhesives
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2012-08-22T18:53:05 < Laurenceb> i think propanol works
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2012-08-22T19:12:22 < Laurenceb> think ive managed it with magnet wire
2012-08-22T19:12:53 < Laurenceb> transparent silicone over the leds then black silicone around them, then sponge over the top and in a vice to set
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2012-08-22T19:27:12 < Laurenceb> anyone know how chprintf knows to usb usb cdc?
2012-08-22T19:27:20 < TitanMKD> hi
2012-08-22T19:27:27 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-22T19:27:31 < Laurenceb> i setup usb cdc and chprintf seems to work automatically
2012-08-22T19:27:40 < TitanMKD> Laurenceb it's in config file IIRC
2012-08-22T19:27:48 < Laurenceb> as BaseChannel is set to CDc in the CDC inti?
2012-08-22T19:27:59 < Laurenceb> which config?
2012-08-22T19:28:13 < TitanMKD> I do not remember but it's configurable
2012-08-22T19:41:36 < Laurenceb> static const ShellConfig shell_cfg1 = {
2012-08-22T19:41:37 < Laurenceb>   (BaseSequentialStream *)&SDU1,
2012-08-22T19:41:37 < Laurenceb>   commands
2012-08-22T19:41:37 < Laurenceb> };
2012-08-22T19:41:43 < Laurenceb> in main.c, I see now
2012-08-22T19:41:51 < Laurenceb> SDU is usb CDC
2012-08-22T19:42:31 < Laurenceb> bbl
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2012-08-22T20:10:33 < zyp> I wrote ACM descriptors for my stuff, now it enumerates as ACM
2012-08-22T20:15:09 < karlp> what's the difference between acm and cdc again? whether AT commands are supported or something?
2012-08-22T20:15:45 < zyp> ACM is a subclass of CDC
2012-08-22T20:16:10 < zippe> CDC is "things that are streams of bytes talking to something else"
2012-08-22T20:16:18 < zippe> ACM is "things like modems"
2012-08-22T20:18:05 < zyp> the reason ACM is used is that it's the simplest class that are commonly supported by class drivers
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2012-08-22T20:21:40 < zippe> It's the easiest way to get an asynchronous stream of bytes moved between a userland app and a single endpoint
2012-08-22T20:21:46 < zippe> Except on Windows
2012-08-22T20:22:23 < dongs> which class is 'things like dongs'
2012-08-22T20:22:50 < zippe> You are looking for the "Medical Waste" bin
2012-08-22T20:23:28 < dongs> haha
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2012-08-22T22:41:37 < cjbaird> Hmm.. I've just bricked the cmos camera by fucking around with screen dimension settings..
2012-08-22T22:41:52 <+Steffanx> 'the' cms comera
2012-08-22T22:41:53 <+Steffanx> ?
2012-08-22T22:43:02 < cjbaird> <cjbaird>     Just got a serial-interface jpeg camera happening.. http://i.imgur.com/O8NhI.jpg (default power-up settings)
2012-08-22T22:44:08 < cjbaird> It's a Vimicro VC0706/0703, and I was checking out what output sizes it handled by poking random values into the eeprom data register responsible.
2012-08-22T22:44:40 < cjbaird> It uses a 24LC16B soic8, so I might be able to unpoke the damage..
2012-08-22T22:49:47 < melonstorm> Hey. I compiled a GCC toolchain with summon-arm-toolchain for a Cortex-M3 CPU (LPC1768). gcc refuses to compile, though, because it can't find cc1.
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2012-08-22T22:50:57 < melonstorm> I didn't set DEFAULT_TO_CORTEX_M3 to 1 when I compiled.
2012-08-22T22:51:16 < melonstorm> I mean, ran the script.
2012-08-22T22:51:35 < melonstorm> How can I fix this issue?
2012-08-22T22:55:01 < cjbaird> Have you already got something like arm-none-eabi-* in ~/sat or /usr/local ?
2012-08-22T22:56:05 < melonstorm> cjbaird, I set PREFIX=/usr, which made it create a directory called arm-none-eabi there.
2012-08-22T22:56:46 < melonstorm> The files in arm-none-eabi/bin/ do not have a prefix themselves.
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2012-08-22T22:58:09 < melonstorm> I'm trying to compile a test file using Eclipse as an IDE, which detected the toolchain. I moved the folder to /opt beforehand.
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2012-08-22T23:01:48 < zyp> melonstorm, what's the output from arm-none-eabi-gcc -v ?
2012-08-22T23:02:53 < melonstorm> zyp, http://hastebin.com/hedufagona.mel
2012-08-22T23:04:13 < zyp> what about -print-search-dirs ?
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2012-08-22T23:05:13 < melonstorm> zyp, http://hastebin.com/raw/tisuganuco
2012-08-22T23:06:39 < melonstorm> Note that there's no libexec directory in arm-none-eabi/.
2012-08-22T23:07:16 < zyp> oh, wait, you moved /usr/arm-none-eabi/ to /opt/ ?
2012-08-22T23:08:27 < melonstorm> I did move /usr/arm-none-eabi/ to /opt/arm-none-eabi/. Hm.
2012-08-22T23:08:53 < zyp> that's not the entire gcc installation, that's just the internals
2012-08-22T23:09:23 < zyp> the gcc you are supposed to compile with should be present as /usr/bin/arm-none-eabi-gcc
2012-08-22T23:09:37 < melonstorm> zyp, it isn't.
2012-08-22T23:12:05 < zyp> why did you move it to /opt?
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2012-08-22T23:13:16 < melonstorm> Heh, I assumed it kind of messed up...
2012-08-22T23:14:07 < melonstorm> Placing a folder into /usr instead of installing. I guess I missed something in the readme.
2012-08-22T23:15:06 < zyp> you could try starting over, choosing an empty directory for PREFIX instead of /usr
2012-08-22T23:15:33 < melonstorm> I have to delete the stamps/ directory, no?
2012-08-22T23:15:45 < zyp> no idea
2012-08-22T23:16:12 < melonstorm> Yup, I had to, zyp.
2012-08-22T23:16:38 < melonstorm> I already tried recompiling, but that didn't work. The script did nothing. Deleting the stamps fixed it.
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2012-08-22T23:18:20 < melonstorm> summon-arm-toolchain makes stamps to mark progress. So if something goes wrong, it doesn't try to build things again that're already dealt with.
2012-08-22T23:18:33 < melonstorm> Even if gcc would probably skip them, anyway.
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2012-08-22T23:24:40 < Laurenceb_> nice
2012-08-22T23:25:01 < Laurenceb_> Roithner laser have a 113 page pricelist with about size 10 font
2012-08-22T23:25:27 < melonstorm> Laurenceb_, you should look at actual electronic component catalogs.
2012-08-22T23:25:47 < Laurenceb_> heh true
2012-08-22T23:26:00 < Laurenceb_> yeah they just have a scanned pdf of their paper catalogue
2012-08-22T23:26:31 < melonstorm> Those for hobbyists with pretty much anything in them. From soldering irons to ICs to all kinds of power sources.
2012-08-22T23:28:34 < Laurenceb_> lol they have 1W 360nm UV LED dies
2012-08-22T23:28:44 < Laurenceb_> 76euros each
2012-08-22T23:29:18 < Laurenceb_> UVLED-385-1200-SMD, 385 nm, typ. 1200 mW at 500 mA, Uf: typ. 14.8 V, 120° 330,60
2012-08-22T23:29:21 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2012-08-22T23:31:00 < melonstorm> Ouch.
2012-08-22T23:31:40 < Laurenceb_> they have thermal IR camera dies for 10K euros a shot
2012-08-22T23:31:59 < Laurenceb_> VGA res
2012-08-22T23:32:18 < melonstorm> Sounds a little overpriced, to be honest. :v
2012-08-22T23:33:28 < Laurenceb_> aiui a lot of stuff is made to order on their 6" fab
2012-08-22T23:35:02 < Laurenceb_> ooh THCM-7801B, thermal imaging module, 384x288 pixel, 8-14 μm, 280g
2012-08-22T23:35:14 < melonstorm> Price?
2012-08-22T23:35:17 < Laurenceb_> "only" 8K euros
2012-08-22T23:35:31 < Laurenceb_> and it has a spartan3 board on the back and optics
2012-08-22T23:36:09 < Laurenceb_> looks like it uses an "off the shelf" sensor not their custom thingy
2012-08-22T23:36:50 < Laurenceb_> spectral range 8 - 14 μm, 50 Hz
2012-08-22T23:36:50 < Laurenceb_> measurement, 14 bit A/D resolution
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2012-08-22T23:37:36 < Laurenceb_> rofl a 405 nm, 300 mW  laser pen
2012-08-22T23:38:26 < melonstorm> For how much?
2012-08-22T23:38:31 < Laurenceb_> 1K euros
2012-08-22T23:38:36 < melonstorm> wtf
2012-08-22T23:38:38 < Laurenceb_> more like light sabre
2012-08-22T23:38:52 < Laurenceb_> im only ordering loads of bare die stuff
2012-08-22T23:38:57 < Laurenceb_> photodiodes and leds
2012-08-22T23:39:02 < melonstorm> Eh, my 10€ Cree flashlight can be a lightsaber in the night.
2012-08-22T23:39:16 < melonstorm> Or my equally expensive green laser.
2012-08-22T23:39:34 < Laurenceb_> 300mw will cut your hand off
2012-08-22T23:39:54 < Erlkoenig> *bruzzel*
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2012-08-22T23:41:35 < melonstorm> Laurenceb, hmm.
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2012-08-22T23:43:17 < Laurenceb_> why is ChanServ in here
2012-08-22T23:43:34 < Erlkoenig> thats very suspicious
2012-08-22T23:43:38 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-22T23:46:07 < Laurenceb_> AS081Q15000W, 780..830 nm, 15000 W cw, 30 x 14 x 10 mm3 29.700,00
2012-08-22T23:46:13 < Laurenceb_> star warz laser right there
2012-08-22T23:46:55 < Erlkoenig> $ or €? :D
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2012-08-22T23:47:20 < Laurenceb_> euros
2012-08-22T23:47:37 < Laurenceb_> its water cooled
2012-08-22T23:47:44 < Erlkoenig> do you need a weapon license for that? :D
2012-08-22T23:47:53 < melonstorm> 15000W.
2012-08-22T23:47:58 < melonstorm> Oh fuck.
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2012-08-23T00:03:55 < BjoernC> is here anybody who has successfully compiled the f*cking lwip library? I become serveral compile-errors and i don't know what i'm doing wrong - and the lwip-wiki couldn't give any answer
2012-08-23T00:04:15 < Erlkoenig> metaquestion! :o
2012-08-23T00:04:38 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: nee ich habe nachgefragt obs jemand hinbekommen hat ^^
2012-08-23T00:04:54 < Erlkoenig> wenigstens die fehlermeldungen hätteste posten können :D
2012-08-23T00:04:54 < BjoernC> und davon ausgehend kann man ja nachfragen was man beachten muss ^^
2012-08-23T00:05:02 < Erlkoenig> kommt davon wenn man fremden code verwenden will :P
2012-08-23T00:05:11 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: welche denn von den 350 hättest denn gern?
2012-08-23T00:05:18 < Erlkoenig> die 1.
2012-08-23T00:05:32 < BjoernC> mom
2012-08-23T00:05:46 < Erlkoenig> paste seiten kennste ne? :D
2012-08-23T00:07:18 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: bekommste später ^^
2012-08-23T00:07:28 < BjoernC> ich habe die sources wieder gelöscht xD
2012-08-23T00:07:33 < Erlkoenig> voll...pfosten
2012-08-23T00:07:45 < BjoernC> leck mich ^^
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2012-08-23T00:10:59 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: es geht auch eher um die grundsätzlichen dinge wie zB. muss cih das als executable compilieren oder als library usw.
2012-08-23T00:12:26 < Erlkoenig> musste das nicht mit deinem code zusammen linken? daher als static library?
2012-08-23T00:12:49 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: genau das ist ja die Frage
2012-08-23T00:12:58 < Erlkoenig> hastu ein OS?
2012-08-23T00:13:05 < BjoernC> MUSS ich das oder nich?
2012-08-23T00:13:23 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: erstmal solls halt auf meinem PC laufen via TUN/TAP
2012-08-23T00:14:28 < Erlkoenig> das geht? ich schätze mal da es vermutlich keine main() hat, müsste es wohl ne lib sein... die anbindung ans TUN/TAP musste ja auch noch dazucoden
2012-08-23T00:14:58 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: ich habe eine beispiel applikation
2012-08-23T00:15:25 < BjoernC> mit derer das ja alles funktioniert
2012-08-23T00:15:45 < BjoernC> aber halt mit deren makefile und das bringt mir erstmal gar nix
2012-08-23T00:16:00 < Erlkoenig> machste ein eigenes makefile? hat lwip keins mit dabei?
2012-08-23T00:16:15 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: nur in den Beispielen
2012-08-23T00:16:25 < Erlkoenig> ist ja bekloppst
2012-08-23T00:16:29 < Erlkoenig> hat das ding keine doku=
2012-08-23T00:16:33 < BjoernC> aber ich muss ja iwie lwip in mein system rein bekommen
2012-08-23T00:16:36 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: nöö
2012-08-23T00:16:41 <+Steffanx> Germany takes over?
2012-08-23T00:17:03 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: sieh hier: http://lwip.wikia.com/wiki/Compiling_lwIP#
2012-08-23T00:17:09 < BjoernC> Steffanx: hm?
2012-08-23T00:17:16 < Erlkoenig> Steffanx: yep, we're trying it again :D
2012-08-23T00:17:31 <+Steffanx> :P
2012-08-23T00:17:42 < Erlkoenig> "lwIP doesn't have a makefile because it is not a standalone application  and cannot be used directly in the form it is distributed." ... klingt nach library, oder direkt mit deinem code zusammenlinken
2012-08-23T00:18:00 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: jop
2012-08-23T00:18:08 < Laurenceb_> achtung spitfire
2012-08-23T00:18:17 < BjoernC> ?
2012-08-23T00:18:35 <+Steffanx> You still have those old airplanes, Laurenceb_ ?
2012-08-23T00:18:51 < Laurenceb_> im ready to defend my irc from german invasion
2012-08-23T00:19:58 < Erlkoenig> beware, we have R/C Bombers with cameras!
2012-08-23T00:20:46 < karlp> meh, we already had them here
2012-08-23T00:21:24 < Erlkoenig> but they have accelerometers!
2012-08-23T00:22:03 < karlp> this channel loves their accelerometers
2012-08-23T00:22:55 < Erlkoenig> only if you manage to filter the output..
2012-08-23T00:24:35 < BjoernC> Butterworth or chebyshev? ^^ @ Erlkoenig
2012-08-23T00:25:15 < Erlkoenig> hmm i read that you need a "kalman filter"
2012-08-23T00:27:42 < zyp> I've heard Laurenceb_ loves kalman filters
2012-08-23T00:27:58 < Laurenceb_> eroomde hates them
2012-08-23T00:27:58 <+Steffanx> DON'T LINK HIS CODE!
2012-08-23T00:28:23 < Laurenceb_> i dont have any kalman code
2012-08-23T00:28:27 < Laurenceb_> i used openpilot code
2012-08-23T00:28:39 <+Steffanx> You copied it, so it's yours
2012-08-23T00:28:45 < zyp> I'm less than impressed by them
2012-08-23T00:28:56 < Laurenceb_> heh
2012-08-23T00:29:03 < Laurenceb_> theres an art to making them work
2012-08-23T00:29:11 < Laurenceb_> peabody124 is convinced
2012-08-23T00:29:14 < zyp> when I started to understand it, I realized it wasn't all that magic anyway :p
2012-08-23T00:30:05 < zyp> the openpilot filter seems to be more about position than attitude, and that's not interesting without any position reference
2012-08-23T00:30:37 < Laurenceb_> yes
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2012-08-23T00:31:11 < zyp> so I'm going to go back to the complementary quaternion stuff that I actually understand and use that instead :p
2012-08-23T00:38:15 < Laurenceb_> did you get the ekf working?
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2012-08-23T00:39:26 < zyp> haven't done anything since that one time I were playing with it
2012-08-23T00:39:30 < Laurenceb_> ah
2012-08-23T00:39:41 < Laurenceb_> it should work with some persuasion
2012-08-23T00:39:44 < zyp> where it was sort of working, but didn't get enough information to do anything useful
2012-08-23T00:39:47 < Laurenceb_> talk to peabody124
2012-08-23T00:40:00 < Laurenceb_> you need gps
2012-08-23T00:40:00 < zyp> maybe some other time
2012-08-23T00:40:20 < zyp> then maybe some time when I get everything going
2012-08-23T00:40:38 < zyp> can run it in parallel with the complementary filter
2012-08-23T00:40:52 < zyp> or even analyze stored logs from the sensors
2012-08-23T00:46:29 < Laurenceb_> http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/08/21/0821-prince-harry-nude-naked-article-tmz-bottom-8.jpg
2012-08-23T00:46:32 < Laurenceb_> cant fap to this
2012-08-23T00:47:06 < Erlkoenig> royal fap?
2012-08-23T00:47:29 < Laurenceb_> looks like royal rear assanging
2012-08-23T00:51:57 < Laurenceb_> "It's Sensors, Stupid"
2012-08-23T00:52:04 < Laurenceb_> thanks invensense
2012-08-23T00:52:34 < melonstorm> The prince of sex.
2012-08-23T00:52:51 < melonstorm> But, really. I bet princes did stuff like that -before- the invention of cameraphones.
2012-08-23T00:53:16 < Laurenceb_> his "girlfriend" doesnt look hot
2012-08-23T00:53:28 < Laurenceb_> also he seems to be using the wrong hole
2012-08-23T00:54:01 < Laurenceb_> that picture is crying otu for some demotivational troll captions
2012-08-23T00:54:18 < melonstorm> "Prince Harry put the crown jewels on display in Vegas this weekend ... getting BARE ASS NAKED during a game of strip billiards with a room full of friends in his VIP suite."
2012-08-23T00:54:24 < melonstorm> Aah, tabloid writers.
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2012-08-23T01:13:16 < karlp> meh, sat down to work on my 802.15.4 project again, can't seem to get the clocks set up.... _again_
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2012-08-23T01:13:27 < karlp> enough of this fun for tonight
2012-08-23T01:17:16 < Laurenceb_> thats the zigbee stuff?
2012-08-23T01:18:46 < melonstorm> Hmm. Setting up Eclipse to compile for my LPC1768 devboard is hard.
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2012-08-23T01:20:19 < Erlkoenig> as long as only eclipse raises problems :D
2012-08-23T01:20:35 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, hast du 'ne Ahnung, wie's geht?
2012-08-23T01:20:50 < Erlkoenig> eclipse einrichten? öh da gibts ja son arm-plugin
2012-08-23T01:20:59 < melonstorm> Auf Linux?
2012-08-23T01:21:18 < Erlkoenig> hmm ich hatte das mal eingerichtet, aber ich glaub das war unter windwos
2012-08-23T01:21:21 < melonstorm> Die ARM-Toolchain hab ich schon.
2012-08-23T01:21:25 < Erlkoenig> immerhin :D
2012-08-23T01:21:36 < Erlkoenig> wart ne minute, ich schau nach...
2012-08-23T01:22:52 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnuarmeclipse/ ?
2012-08-23T01:23:14 < Erlkoenig> ja genau ich glaub das wars
2012-08-23T01:23:39 < Erlkoenig> dem muss man nur verklickern dass es die toolchain nehmen soll
2012-08-23T01:24:20 < melonstorm> Wird ja nicht so schwer sein.
2012-08-23T01:24:53 < melonstorm> Das Debuggen einzurichten, naja. Vielleicht schon. :v
2012-08-23T01:25:15 < Erlkoenig> du hattest ne selbstgebaute toolchain ne?
2012-08-23T01:25:57 < melonstorm> Mit summon-arm-toolchain gebaut.
2012-08-23T01:26:10 < Erlkoenig> wähl in den plugin-settings die toolchain aus, die das gleiche prefix hat wie deine toolchain :D
2012-08-23T01:26:38 < Erlkoenig> wenn dein gcc zB "arm-none-eabi-gcc" heißt, wählst du yagarto aus, das klappt ^^
2012-08-23T01:26:50 < Erlkoenig> debuggen müsste auch gehen, sofern du nen GDB-Server hast
2012-08-23T01:26:53 < melonstorm> > Yagarto
2012-08-23T01:26:55 < melonstorm> > Linux
2012-08-23T01:26:55 < melonstorm> :v
2012-08-23T01:27:04 < Erlkoenig> gibts das nich auch unter linux?
2012-08-23T01:27:08 < melonstorm> Nö.
2012-08-23T01:27:10 < Erlkoenig> ist ja wurst, geht nur um den namen der tools *g*
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2012-08-23T01:27:15 < melonstorm> Jup.
2012-08-23T01:27:31 < Erlkoenig> naja probiers aus ob du die ausgewählt kriegst ^^
2012-08-23T01:27:56 < karlp> Laurenceb_: yeah, I've had it all working in pieces, just finally got some time to try and put it all back together again
2012-08-23T01:30:44 < karlp> so, stellaris launchpads hey
2012-08-23T01:30:51 < karlp> that's a bit more fun than c2000 and msp430
2012-08-23T01:34:06 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, scheint zu gehen.
2012-08-23T01:35:05 < melonstorm> Musste aber das Sourcery-template nehmen.
2012-08-23T01:35:20 < Erlkoenig> traumhaft :D rein spasseshalber, was für nen befehl brauchst du zum linken für diesen controller?
2012-08-23T01:35:48 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, weiss nich. o3o
2012-08-23T01:36:10 < Erlkoenig> ha... dann wirds noch spaßig :D
2012-08-23T01:36:12 < melonstorm> Mal sehen.
2012-08-23T01:36:23 < melonstorm> Ich muss eh noch irgendwas einbinden.
2012-08-23T01:36:24 < Erlkoenig> haste linkerscript und startupcode?
2012-08-23T01:36:37 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, den Kleber muss ich noch suchen.
2012-08-23T01:36:58 < Erlkoenig> hihi... viel spaß noch :D
2012-08-23T01:37:42 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, müsste alles eigendlich über CMSIS gehen.
2012-08-23T01:38:16 < melonstorm> Einige Demos greifen einfach auf CMSIS zurück, weil's ja auch header für die einzelnen Geräte hat.
2012-08-23T01:38:22 < Erlkoenig> hab keine ahnung von deinem controller, aber beim STM32 muss man startupcode und linkerscript schreiben... oder irgendwo guttenbergen
2012-08-23T01:38:35 < melonstorm> Das ist bei CMSIS ja schon dabei.
2012-08-23T01:39:15 < Erlkoenig> bei ST schon... aber nicht so richtig intuitiv zu verwenden :D
2012-08-23T01:39:37 < Erlkoenig> @all: why is nobody using the https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded toolchain? does it have disadvantages?
2012-08-23T01:40:22 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, bei CooCox reicht's, CMSIS in's Projekt einzubinden. Die IDE hat ja sogar so ein Modulsystem.
2012-08-23T01:41:41 < Erlkoenig> die library von ST ist leicht chaotisch... da muss man erstma rumfrickeln :D
2012-08-23T01:41:53 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, ich hab keinen ST, ich hab einen LPC.
2012-08-23T01:41:58 < melonstorm> Von NXP.
2012-08-23T01:42:07 < Erlkoenig> ja ich sehs ;) daher wusst ich ja nicht ob das schwierig wird oder nicht ;)
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2012-08-23T01:45:06 < melonstorm> Eclipse scheint aber, im Gegensatz zu gcc, nicht zu wissen, wo LPC1768.h ist. :v
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2012-08-23T01:45:32 < Erlkoenig> musste dem sagen, irgendwo kann man include pfade angeben
2012-08-23T01:45:45 < melonstorm> Hmm. Hab ich ja schon. Aber in den build settings.
2012-08-23T01:47:16 < Erlkoenig> wo ist die LPC1768.h überhaupt? haste die CMSIS vom hersteller irgendwohin entpackt, und als include-pfad angegeben?
2012-08-23T01:47:30 < melonstorm> Yup, hab ich.
2012-08-23T01:47:40 < melonstorm> Aber, wie gesagt, in den build settings.
2012-08-23T01:48:06 < Erlkoenig> okay... es scheint nicht wirklich einen sauberen standard-weg zu geben, includes und libraries für controller zu installieren und zu verwenden...
2012-08-23T01:48:29 < Erlkoenig> für den editor und so kann man glaubich die zu parsenden header noch woanders angeben... weiß aber grad auch nich wo :D
2012-08-23T01:49:49 < BjoernC> JUUUUUUHHHHHHUUUUUUUU ^^
2012-08-23T01:49:52 < BjoernC> es kompiliert
2012-08-23T01:50:02 < BjoernC> es funktioniert zwar nicht aber es kompiliert
2012-08-23T01:50:11 < BjoernC> und pingen kann ich auch schon - zumindest etwas ;)
2012-08-23T01:50:25 < Erlkoenig> tada :D
2012-08-23T01:50:39 < Erlkoenig> pingen? das devboard?
2012-08-23T01:50:42 < BjoernC> jo der proxy ist bugy von daher
2012-08-23T01:50:50 < BjoernC> Erlkoenig: nöö TUN/TAP
2012-08-23T01:51:02 < Erlkoenig> aha achso :D
2012-08-23T01:51:09 < BjoernC> ist alles halt auf Linux basis
2012-08-23T01:51:13 < melonstorm> Aah, das ist irgendwo anderst, Erlkoenig. Ich glaub ich hab's gefunden.
2012-08-23T01:51:15 < BjoernC> irgendwo muss man ja anfangen ;)
2012-08-23T01:52:25 < BjoernC> ist halt lwip auf Linux ;)
2012-08-23T01:52:57 < BjoernC> so ich muss ins Bett muss ja in 5 std. wieder aufstehen - oha, das kann ja was werden ;)
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2012-08-23T01:54:34 < melonstorm> Ui, Erlkoenig. Es funktioniert. :3
2012-08-23T01:54:52 < Erlkoenig> doll .D
2012-08-23T01:56:28 < melonstorm> So, jetzt muss ich noch irgendwie den Startup-Code ranbringen.
2012-08-23T01:56:52 < Erlkoenig> den musste einfach nur assemblen und einlinken... wenn du ihn hast :D
2012-08-23T01:57:17 < melonstorm> Ich hab ihn ja!
2012-08-23T01:58:03 < Erlkoenig> jo, dann gib ihn an gcc als wärs ne C-Datei, gcc weiß was zu tun ist
2012-08-23T02:00:47 < melonstorm> Ui. Erlkoenig, gcc freut sich nich drüber. :v
2012-08-23T02:01:00 < melonstorm> Wegen CodeSourcery-Funktionen.
2012-08-23T02:01:10 < melonstorm> Ich muss mal die .c-version des Startup-Code's finden...
2012-08-23T02:01:16 < Erlkoenig> die wirds nicht geben :D
2012-08-23T02:01:20 < melonstorm> Die gibt's!
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2012-08-23T02:01:39 < Erlkoenig> ulkig... weil normalerweise ist direkt nach dem Reset der controller noch nicht bereit C-Code zu starten
2012-08-23T02:01:47 < Erlkoenig> zumindest beim STM32 ist das so
2012-08-23T02:02:12 < Erlkoenig> da muss noch der Stack, die FPU und die globalen variablen initialisiert werden
2012-08-23T02:02:18 < melonstorm> Oder auch nich.
2012-08-23T02:02:19 < melonstorm> :v
2012-08-23T02:02:19 < Erlkoenig> daher assömbler-code
2012-08-23T02:03:43 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, http://hastebin.com/raw/sokolexavo
2012-08-23T02:03:50 < melonstorm> Sonderkommision Lexavo?
2012-08-23T02:04:10 < Erlkoenig> du hast "-c" vergessen. :D
2012-08-23T02:04:20 < Erlkoenig> außerdem, warum gibst du eine .c datei UND eine .s datei an?!
2012-08-23T02:04:40 < melonstorm> Ich bin blöd. :o
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2012-08-23T02:07:51 < Erlkoenig> und brauchst du nich so etwas wie   -mthumb -mcpu=cortex-m4   oder was für deinen controller passt?
2012-08-23T02:08:05 < melonstorm> Das wird in der IDE eingestellt, Erlkoenig.
2012-08-23T02:08:11 < melonstorm> Das Plugin macht das also.
2012-08-23T02:08:18 < Erlkoenig> ja, aber im endeffekt muss das auf der kommandozeile erscheinen :D
2012-08-23T02:08:26 < melonstorm> Ich hab's schon auf cortex-m3 umgestellt, weil der LPC1768 ja ein M3er ist.
2012-08-23T02:08:39 < Erlkoenig> achso ja wenn das plugin das kann ist ja jut
2012-08-23T02:08:51 < Erlkoenig> ggf. noch optionen für die FPU, falls vorhanden
2012-08-23T02:08:59 < melonstorm> /usr/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.6.2/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 0000000000008000
2012-08-23T02:09:02 < melonstorm> Hmm. Ging da was schief?
2012-08-23T02:09:05 < melonstorm> Ich glaub ja.
2012-08-23T02:09:09 < Erlkoenig> ja :D
2012-08-23T02:10:08 < melonstorm> Ach ja.
2012-08-23T02:10:16 < melonstorm> __cs3_stack und __cs3_reset fehlen ja auch.
2012-08-23T02:10:16 < melonstorm> :v
2012-08-23T02:10:22 < melonstorm> Und das ist alles CodeSourcery-Zeugs.
2012-08-23T02:11:18 < melonstorm> _start fehlt natürlich auch... hm. Ach ja.
2012-08-23T02:11:21 < melonstorm> Da war ja die andere Datei.
2012-08-23T02:11:24 < Erlkoenig> wo kommt _start her?
2012-08-23T02:11:32 < Erlkoenig> wird das vom startupcode angesprungen?
2012-08-23T02:11:39 < melonstorm> Yup.
2012-08-23T02:11:57 < melonstorm> Nich wirklich, aber... eigendlich doch.
2012-08-23T02:11:58 < Erlkoenig> okay... dann musste deine main() in _start() umbenennen, oder so :D
2012-08-23T02:12:14 < melonstorm> Was macht opcode BLX?
2012-08-23T02:12:22 < Erlkoenig> funktionsaufruf
2012-08-23T02:12:27 < Erlkoenig> auf die ulkige arm-art :D
2012-08-23T02:12:32 < melonstorm> Branch if...?
2012-08-23T02:12:33 < melonstorm> Oder?
2012-08-23T02:12:51 < melonstorm> Danach folgt noch ein BX auf _start. Hm.
2012-08-23T02:13:03 < Erlkoenig> Branch with Link register, change arm mode ... oder so
2012-08-23T02:13:10 < Erlkoenig> BX ist ein sprung
2012-08-23T02:13:17 < Erlkoenig> ohne rückkehr
2012-08-23T02:14:45 < melonstorm> Ui. :o
2012-08-23T02:14:49 < melonstorm> Ohne Rückkehr!?
2012-08-23T02:15:02 < melonstorm> Schrecklich. D:
2012-08-23T02:15:06 < melonstorm> Das ist ja wie mit den Lemmingen.
2012-08-23T02:15:16 < Erlkoenig> ja das was "jmp" auf x86 oder avr ist :D
2012-08-23T02:15:24 < melonstorm> Ich weiss. :3
2012-08-23T02:15:27 < Erlkoenig> top :D
2012-08-23T02:15:29 < zyp> you're missing a lot of input when you are talking in a language we other doesn't speak
2012-08-23T02:15:48 < zyp> at this rate you might as well just converse in private
2012-08-23T02:16:29 < Erlkoenig> this way, i can happily explain a lot bullshit to him :>
2012-08-23T02:16:41 < zyp> blx is a call to a function pointer
2012-08-23T02:17:06 < zyp> unless the operand is a label, then it means «please crash»
2012-08-23T02:18:09 < zyp> same for bx except it's a jump and not a call
2012-08-23T02:18:23 < zyp> and bx lr is a return
2012-08-23T02:19:56 < melonstorm> zyp, right now, I'm getting this warning:
2012-08-23T02:20:13 < melonstorm> /usr/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.6.2/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 0000000000008000
2012-08-23T02:20:48 < Erlkoenig> zyp: but "blx foobar" effectively calls the C-Function foobar, and doesn't crash... or am i getting everything wrong?!
2012-08-23T02:21:23 < zyp> Erlkoenig, it's «bl foobar»
2012-08-23T02:21:30 < karlp> yeah, but one of the ways of using blx is arm only,
2012-08-23T02:21:38 < zyp> exactly
2012-08-23T02:21:39 < karlp> and arm instruction on cm3 goes bang bang boom
2012-08-23T02:22:01 < Erlkoenig> ah... on arm cores that have both arm and thumb "blx foobar" should work?
2012-08-23T02:22:08 < zyp> yes
2012-08-23T02:22:32 < zyp> the x means «change to arm mode»
2012-08-23T02:22:48 < Erlkoenig> no, "change to arm mode IF the 'foobar' label depicts an ARM function"
2012-08-23T02:23:01 < zyp> when you use blx on registers it means «change to arm mode if lower bit in register is not set»
2012-08-23T02:23:06 < zyp> no.
2012-08-23T02:23:06 < Erlkoenig> blx should also work on thumb-only cores - if the 'foobar' label is a thumb function
2012-08-23T02:23:34 < Erlkoenig> "'foobar' is a thumb function" == "lower bits of foobar address is 1"
2012-08-23T02:23:37 < Erlkoenig> ;)
2012-08-23T02:23:53 < zyp> that's wrong, in machine code they are stored without the lower bit
2012-08-23T02:23:55 < zyp> IIRC
2012-08-23T02:24:17 < Erlkoenig> im quite sure that the lower bit is stored, which confused me somewhat ;)
2012-08-23T02:24:37 < Erlkoenig> that lowest bits tells blx about how to switch
2012-08-23T02:24:54 < zyp> however, it's probably legal to write either blx or bl, because the linker will rewrite the instruction depending on what you link to
2012-08-23T02:25:54 < Erlkoenig> at least "my" linker generates both "blx" and "bl" instructions, for a thumb2-only-controller
2012-08-23T02:26:32 < karlp> if anyone had any clue how this conversation started, it might be relevant.
2012-08-23T02:26:36 < zyp> blx on registers is valid, blx on labels _will_ change to arm mode if left that way
2012-08-23T02:27:09 < karlp> (grepping objdump for blx is a pretty good way of finding out that you've fucked up the linker flags, and it's helpfully linked in some arm code)
2012-08-23T02:27:25 < Erlkoenig> oh, it generates only "blx <register>"
2012-08-23T02:27:28 < zyp> the address encoded into a bl/blx label opcode is a 16-bit word address, so there is no low-bit in it
2012-08-23T02:27:39 < zyp> Erlkoenig, that's what I said :p
2012-08-23T02:28:09 < Erlkoenig> karlp: my code works so i think it's not fucked up ;)
2012-08-23T02:28:44 < Erlkoenig> zyp: and when the core is in ARM mode, does BLX switch to Thumb mode?
2012-08-23T02:29:04 < karlp> if your code works, what on earth are we talking about this for?
2012-08-23T02:29:19 < Erlkoenig> to explain melonstorm what it does. :D
2012-08-23T02:29:20 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, things still don't work. :v
2012-08-23T02:29:43 < melonstorm> Because there's no _start.
2012-08-23T02:29:43 < Erlkoenig> i'm not surprised. :D
2012-08-23T02:29:45 < melonstorm> For some reason.
2012-08-23T02:29:46 < zyp> melonstorm, you are missing either a linker script or the startup code or both
2012-08-23T02:29:54 < melonstorm> zyp, I bet I'm missing the fomrer!
2012-08-23T02:29:57 < Erlkoenig> it took me days to get my stm32 running :D
2012-08-23T02:29:58 < zyp> either that or they are wrong
2012-08-23T02:31:15 < melonstorm> Holy shit.
2012-08-23T02:31:30 < melonstorm> There's a picture of an oscilloscope in the examples folder that I got with this devboard...
2012-08-23T02:31:37 < melonstorm> That thing's, like... looking awfully battered.
2012-08-23T02:31:50 < melonstorm> Four of the six buttons beneath the screen are missing.
2012-08-23T02:31:56 < Erlkoenig> http://2g2s.de/elektronik/scope.jpg   look, my scope <3
2012-08-23T02:32:12 < melonstorm> Looks neat!
2012-08-23T02:32:16 < Erlkoenig> totally :D
2012-08-23T02:32:24 < zyp> is it «show your scope day?»
2012-08-23T02:32:33 < melonstorm> This is the picture in the directory of the DAC example:
2012-08-23T02:32:38 < melonstorm> http://i.imgur.com/z6QuH.jpg
2012-08-23T02:32:39 < Erlkoenig> showing off scopes is always legit :D
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2012-08-23T02:32:52 < Erlkoenig> melonstorm: probably made in a public school *G*
2012-08-23T02:33:06 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Ftmrn.JPG <- it's not much to show off, but here is mine :p
2012-08-23T02:33:07 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, nah, it was supplied by the manufacturer of the board, I presume.
2012-08-23T02:33:46 < Erlkoenig> oooh another discovery <3
2012-08-23T02:34:05 < Erlkoenig> whats that board connected to the white usb cable?
2012-08-23T02:34:12 < zyp> mbed
2012-08-23T02:35:11 < melonstorm> zyp, how would I write a linker script? I don't think I can find one.
2012-08-23T02:35:22 < zyp> you should find one
2012-08-23T02:35:30 < zyp> linker script goes hand in hand with startup code
2012-08-23T02:35:32 < melonstorm> The example files are all parts of Keil uVision projects.
2012-08-23T02:36:13 < Erlkoenig> the example linker script by ST has a bug... it has cost me a few gray hairs to figur it out...
2012-08-23T02:36:33 < melonstorm> The .uvproj file is an XML file, and it actually has a "StartupFile" entry.
2012-08-23T02:36:54 < zyp> if you are just starting out and looking to get to know stm32, I suggest going with libopencm3 or something and looking at the included examples
2012-08-23T02:37:04 < Erlkoenig> he is using an LPC controller
2012-08-23T02:37:07 < melonstorm> ^
2012-08-23T02:39:40 < melonstorm> Hmm.
2012-08-23T02:43:12 < melonstorm> http://code.google.com/p/lpc17xx-ld/source/browse/lpc1768.ld
2012-08-23T02:43:21 < melonstorm> Well, I guess that's what I'm looking for.
2012-08-23T02:43:58 < Erlkoenig> looks evil enough.
2012-08-23T02:44:34 < melonstorm> So how do I tell Eclipse to tell ld to use this?
2012-08-23T02:44:52 < Erlkoenig> gcc ... -T lpc1768.ld
2012-08-23T02:45:41 < melonstorm> /usr/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.6.2/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lcs3
2012-08-23T02:45:41 < melonstorm> /usr/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.6.2/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lcs3unhosted
2012-08-23T02:45:41 < melonstorm> /usr/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.6.2/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lcs3arm
2012-08-23T02:45:42 < melonstorm> Woo.
2012-08-23T02:46:10 < melonstorm> Lessee.
2012-08-23T02:46:50 < melonstorm> Of course, that stuff's CodeSourcery stuff. Hmm.
2012-08-23T02:47:19 < Erlkoenig> i suggest you to do the whole thing only using make and gcc, without eclipse
2012-08-23T02:47:37 < melonstorm> Yeah, but I'll still need a linker script or whatever.
2012-08-23T02:48:00 < Erlkoenig> http://code.google.com/p/lpc17xx-ld/source/browse/lpc1768.ld <-- i thought that was your linkerscript
2012-08-23T02:48:09 < melonstorm> Well, it is.
2012-08-23T02:48:11 < melonstorm> But that's for CS3.
2012-08-23T02:48:42 < melonstorm> And if I remove the three entries from GROUP(), I get...
2012-08-23T02:48:45 < Erlkoenig> whats CS3? CodeSourcery3?
2012-08-23T02:48:47 < melonstorm>  /media/Volume/Code/linux_eclipsews/test3/lpc1768.ld:206: undefined symbol `__cs3_interrupt_vector_cortex_m' referenced in expression
2012-08-23T02:48:49 < melonstorm> Yep.
2012-08-23T02:49:41 < melonstorm> The __cs3_interrupt_vector_cortex_m is defined in startup_LPC17xx.s, so I'm a little confused...
2012-08-23T02:49:42 < Erlkoenig> than you probably have to find a linker script for gcc...
2012-08-23T02:49:50 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, CS3 is GCC.
2012-08-23T02:49:55 < Erlkoenig> oh hm
2012-08-23T02:49:58 < melonstorm> They just had to add their own Senf to it.
2012-08-23T02:51:39 < melonstorm> The joke's even that it -does- find __cs3_reset_cortex_m. Apparently.
2012-08-23T02:55:21 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, what now?
2012-08-23T02:57:18 < Erlkoenig> did you link the startupcode correctly?
2012-08-23T02:57:51 < melonstorm> I'm not sure.
2012-08-23T02:58:48 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, http://hastebin.com/raw/jorigoxagu
2012-08-23T02:59:48 < melonstorm> Hmm, wait. Huh.
2012-08-23T03:01:24 < melonstorm> Ah. I didn't.
2012-08-23T03:01:31 < melonstorm> How it worked. Woohoo.
2012-08-23T03:03:27 < melonstorm> Woot! It works!
2012-08-23T03:03:36 < melonstorm> The code's running!
2012-08-23T03:03:43  * melonstorm dances!
2012-08-23T03:03:57 < Erlkoenig> how do you flash your controller? openocd?
2012-08-23T03:04:07 < melonstorm> J-Link. OpenOCD doesn't want to work.
2012-08-23T03:04:27 < melonstorm> The board also got a J-Link emulator, so that's pretty much why.
2012-08-23T03:04:47 < melonstorm> I can also flash it via the ISP, but I want to be able to debug.
2012-08-23T03:05:39 < melonstorm> The odd thing, still, is that startup_LPC17xx.s isn't being included in the compilation, though...
2012-08-23T03:05:51 < melonstorm> I have to manually bind in the .o file I built myself.
2012-08-23T03:05:54 < Erlkoenig> what, you're doing something wrong
2012-08-23T03:06:07 < melonstorm> Well, it -is- working.
2012-08-23T03:11:24 < melonstorm> I can compile code, translate it to a .bin file with a utility called hex2bin, then transfer it onto the board with the J-Link command line utility.
2012-08-23T03:12:32 < Erlkoenig> hex2bin? shouldn't objcopy be able to do that as well?
2012-08-23T03:12:46 < melonstorm> I don't know, Erlkoenig...
2012-08-23T03:12:54 < melonstorm> I'm not sure if it can read those .hex files.
2012-08-23T03:13:04 < Erlkoenig> it can surely read what the linker generates :D
2012-08-23T03:13:49 < melonstorm> Can you figure out how it needs to be called?
2012-08-23T03:14:00 < Erlkoenig> objcopy --help
2012-08-23T03:15:21 < Erlkoenig> and why hex2bin... doesn't your gcc generate an elf file?
2012-08-23T03:16:41 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, it does, it does.
2012-08-23T03:17:05 < melonstorm> arm-none-eabi-objcopy -v test3.elf  -O binary test3.bin
2012-08-23T03:17:09 < melonstorm> This seems to work.
2012-08-23T03:17:45 < melonstorm> Yup, it does. MD5 sums match.
2012-08-23T03:18:52 < melonstorm> Hah. And I could change that in the IDE, too. I mean.
2012-08-23T03:19:00 < melonstorm> To make it output a binary image instead of ihex.
2012-08-23T03:19:17 < Erlkoenig> hmm, funnily "-Wl,--format=binary" doesnt work on the linker command :S
2012-08-23T03:20:23 < melonstorm> Time to set up debugging and uploading.
2012-08-23T03:21:24 < melonstorm> I got another plugin for that.
2012-08-23T03:21:28 < melonstorm> Zylin Embedded debug.
2012-08-23T03:22:32 < zippe> Erlkoenig: that's because that's an argument to the compiler driver, not the linker
2012-08-23T03:23:27 < Erlkoenig> that's why i prepended it with "-Wl"
2012-08-23T03:27:45 < karlp> lpc13x and 17x have linker scripts and startup files, and examples in libopencm3
2012-08-23T03:27:56 < melonstorm> karlp, it's working.
2012-08-23T03:37:44 < dongs> sup blogs
2012-08-23T03:39:42 < melonstorm> Erlkoenig, the problem with OpenOCD is that it... doesn't do something right .
2012-08-23T03:39:45 < melonstorm> Look for yourself.
2012-08-23T03:40:22 < melonstorm> http://hastebin.com/raw/nadegijefi
2012-08-23T03:42:15 < Erlkoenig> i never used openocd, was just asking... i'm using stlink
2012-08-23T03:44:54 < dongs> if youre using stlink why is your config loading jlink.cfg (no idea, i dont use openocd)
2012-08-23T03:45:30 < Erlkoenig> *I* am using stlink, and that is NOT MY config :D
2012-08-23T03:45:34 < dongs> hoo ok.
2012-08-23T03:45:59 < melonstorm> dongs, J-Link's what my devboard using.
2012-08-23T03:46:10 < melonstorm> There's actually a STM32 on it that emulates a J-Link.
2012-08-23T03:46:38 < melonstorm> I can flash the LPC1768 with the official J-Link software, but not with OpenOCD.
2012-08-23T03:47:01 < dongs> right
2012-08-23T03:48:31 < dongs> http://www.segger.com/jlink-ob.html probably this right?
2012-08-23T03:48:57 < melonstorm> dongs, it's a clone, I presume. Not an official Segger chip.
2012-08-23T03:49:03 < melonstorm> Hence why it's a STM32.
2012-08-23T03:49:06 < dongs> no
2012-08-23T03:49:11 < dongs> that is official
2012-08-23T03:49:16 < dongs> that OB thing supports STM32.
2012-08-23T03:49:25 < melonstorm> There's no sticker, at least.
2012-08-23T03:49:25 < dongs> tehre's nothing to "clone", firmware for those is inside jlinkarm.dll.
2012-08-23T03:49:35 < melonstorm> I'm on Linux, dongs.
2012-08-23T03:49:45 < dongs> righto. thats probably your biggest problem right thre :)
2012-08-23T03:50:45 < melonstorm> dongs, why so?
2012-08-23T03:51:16 < dongs> i'd rather not get into that discussion
2012-08-23T03:52:28 < dongs> if you dont already know the answer, nothing I say will make a difference.
2012-08-23T03:52:38 < melonstorm> Alright.
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2012-08-23T05:03:26 < melonstorm> Hmm.
2012-08-23T05:03:34 < melonstorm> I still have no clue how to make this work.
2012-08-23T05:03:35 < melonstorm> Woohoo.
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2012-08-23T05:25:45 < zippe> I hate the STM32 I2C block so very, very much,.
2012-08-23T05:26:49 < dongs> where the fuck is cjbaird.
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2012-08-23T05:27:31 < melonstorm> dongs, Eclipse's fun. Guh...
2012-08-23T05:27:45 < melonstorm> It doesn't seem to parse LPC17xx.h right.
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2012-08-23T05:28:03 < melonstorm> Or core_cm3.h.
2012-08-23T05:28:12 < dongs> haha.
2012-08-23T05:29:41 < melonstorm> Yeah.
2012-08-23T05:29:48 < melonstorm> It thinks uint32_t is never defined.
2012-08-23T05:30:15 < melonstorm> Or any of the CMSIS variables.
2012-08-23T05:30:22 < melonstorm> Even though GCC compiles things just fine.
2012-08-23T05:30:32 < dongs> maybe you need to setup some include paths or something.
2012-08-23T05:30:43 < dongs> uint32_t shit is in stdint.h... it should have that included by default.. I 'd imagine.
2012-08-23T05:31:23 < melonstorm> Even including that doesn't help, dongs, and Eclipse does find that file and parse it.
2012-08-23T05:39:16 < zippe> melonstorm: Your build parser settings are busted
2012-08-23T05:39:48 < zippe> melonstorm: are you using the built-in builder parser, or the build output parser?
2012-08-23T05:40:11 < zippe> if the latter, and you're using make, then you need to arrange for the compiler invocations printed by make to have useful pathnames in them
2012-08-23T05:40:23 < zippe> If the former, good luck.  I've never made it work.
2012-08-23T05:43:02 < melonstorm> zippe, builder parser?
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2012-08-23T05:45:28 < zippe> I am *not* doing Eclipse support.
2012-08-23T05:45:37 < zippe> Unless you want to fix my I2C issues.
2012-08-23T05:45:41  * melonstorm can't.
2012-08-23T05:51:21 < dongs> haha :)
2012-08-23T05:56:34 < melonstorm> Oddly enough, typedeffing uint32_t works, dongs, but including stdint.h doesn't.
2012-08-23T05:56:35 < melonstorm> wtf?
2012-08-23T06:00:30 < melonstorm> It doesn't really help, either, that stdint.h is definitely in the include paths.
2012-08-23T06:09:02 < melonstorm> Looks like the CMSIS files supplied with the examples were pretty outdated, though.
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2012-08-23T06:36:02 < upgrdman> anyone here use hot glue guns?
2012-08-23T06:42:34 < melonstorm> upgrdman, me, I guess.
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2012-08-23T06:47:56 < upgrdman> does it need to be the low-temp stuff when using it with electronics?
2012-08-23T06:48:42 < dongs> like what, potting shit?
2012-08-23T06:48:43 < dongs> or waht
2012-08-23T06:48:55 < dongs> i dont think hot glue reaches anywhere near solder melting point so youre safe
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2012-08-23T07:06:15 < dongs> http://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/Pages/mcu-die-sales.aspx sweet
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2012-08-23T07:24:24 < LeelooMinai> E...
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2012-08-23T07:24:36 < LeelooMinai> Actually hot glue has similar melting temp as led-free solder
2012-08-23T07:31:46 < dongs> um where are you getting that?
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2012-08-23T07:32:01 < dongs> hotglue is liquid at < 200C
2012-08-23T07:35:29 < LeelooMinai> Yes, so is lead-free solder
2012-08-23T07:35:44 < LeelooMinai> Or rather leaded
2012-08-23T07:44:32 < dongs> who the fuck uses leaded solder in 2012
2012-08-23T07:47:34 < LeelooMinai> Most hobbyists afaik
2012-08-23T07:48:02 < LeelooMinai> Go to ##electronics and as if anyone uses it:)
2012-08-23T07:48:13 < LeelooMinai> ask*
2012-08-23T07:49:40 < dongs> by the same analogy, if I g oto #electronics and ask how many use arduino
2012-08-23T07:49:49 < dongs> means I should just drop everything and switch to atmel
2012-08-23T07:50:42 < LeelooMinai> Not many people there use it actually
2012-08-23T07:51:04 < BjoernC> I'll gonna hate lwip - i don't know WHY this lib compiles the first time - after that eclipse finds errors and that wihtout changes at the code the only "change" was a make clean
2012-08-23T07:52:07 < LeelooMinai> dongs, Besides, I didn't tell you to use leaded solder, did I?  I just pointed out that it will melt below 200 deg C
2012-08-23T07:52:17 < LeelooMinai> So your analogy sucks
2012-08-23T07:52:48 < dongs> no, i was referring to hobbyists using leaded solder
2012-08-23T07:53:11 < LeelooMinai> Many do for the simple reason it's cheaper - you can get it cheap from China
2012-08-23T07:53:25 < LeelooMinai> It's also easier to work with
2012-08-23T07:54:29 < LeelooMinai> When you are a hobbyist you usually don't have to worry about ROHS and such
2012-08-23T07:54:48 < dongs> i find leadfree much easier to work with even handsoldering shit
2012-08-23T07:55:10 < LeelooMinai> I don't see why - it has higher melting temp
2012-08-23T08:05:28 < zippe> LeelooMinai: that also means that it cools to crystalisation faster
2012-08-23T08:06:57 < LeelooMinai> Yes, which is a problem when soldering
2012-08-23T08:09:47 < zippe> You probably haven't seen the crap that dongs builds
2012-08-23T08:09:56 < zippe> Or you'd understand why he doesn't feel that way
2012-08-23T08:10:11 < zippe> Personally, I use silver when soldering.
2012-08-23T08:10:32 < zippe> And titanium for everything else.
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2012-08-23T10:14:36 < Tectu> so when i do    char foo[1024];  then don't use it so compiler throws     main.c:26:13: warning: 'fbuff' defined but not used [-Wunused-variable]
2012-08-23T10:14:44 < Tectu> does it still need space or will it be optimized out?
2012-08-23T10:16:09 < zyp> should be optimized out
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2012-08-23T10:16:38 < zyp> and if you don't use it, mark it as unused: (void)foo;
2012-08-23T10:16:42 < dongs> wat
2012-08-23T10:16:58 < dongs> wouldnt unused: just be a label.
2012-08-23T10:18:05 < zyp> no, «unused:» is part of what I said
2012-08-23T10:18:24 < zyp> «(void)foo;» is what he's supposed to write
2012-08-23T10:19:14 < zyp> you're allowed to feel dumb now
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2012-08-23T10:22:42 < dongs> lo
2012-08-23T10:23:43 < claude_work> morning
2012-08-23T10:24:49 < claude_work> gee what a great morning btw , a wasp bite me in the hand when i closed my front door :(
2012-08-23T10:25:25 < Tectu> zyp, is it just to fix the compiler warning or does it have other positive effects?
2012-08-23T10:25:30 < Tectu> i mean the (void)foo; stuff
2012-08-23T10:25:40 < Tectu> claude_work, bite back!
2012-08-23T10:26:04 < claude_work> i did :)
2012-08-23T10:26:19 < Tectu> now i am scared.
2012-08-23T10:26:55 < claude_work> just sucked out the wasp poison from my finger
2012-08-23T10:27:25 < Tectu> poison? where the hell do you life that wasps do have poison
2012-08-23T10:27:58 < claude_work> hmm poison / venom ?
2012-08-23T10:28:13 < jpa-_> Tectu: it just removes the warning
2012-08-23T10:28:35 < Tectu> thanks jpa-_
2012-08-23T10:31:17 < zyp> Tectu, it's just telling the compiler «I know this variable is unused, it's supposed to be so you don't need to warn me about it»
2012-08-23T10:31:58 < zyp> and that's a good thing, because you should really treat all warnings like something is wrong
2012-08-23T10:38:16 < dongs> zyp, lol @ teh url i pasted in closedpilot
2012-08-23T10:40:29 < Tectu> something C related: I do have a very simple linked list, only single linked. How do i delete every node in it? is it the best to reinizialize the FIRST pointer or delete them one by one?
2012-08-23T10:41:05 < dongs> you can free teh shit it points to then nuke the list..
2012-08-23T10:41:32 < Tectu> by just NULL-ing the first pointer the memory stays used, correct... hmm
2012-08-23T10:41:44 < dongs> yes, ob viosuly, well depending how you allocated it.
2012-08-23T10:43:21 < Tectu> dongs, what do you mean with "how you allocated it"?
2012-08-23T10:43:32 < dongs> Tectu: i dunno, it depends what your nodes point to.
2012-08-23T10:43:34 < Tectu> i allocated the size for one node whenever i add one
2012-08-23T10:43:43 < dongs> you mean like mallolc or something?
2012-08-23T10:43:45 < Tectu> dongs, to the next node or NULL ?!
2012-08-23T10:43:48 < dongs> cjbaird: which lemote shit exactly are you looking for
2012-08-23T10:44:00 < Tectu> dongs, more like chHeapAlloc()   (chibios malloc)
2012-08-23T10:44:07 < dongs> my pal is waiting with throbbing dong to service me
2012-08-23T10:44:15 < dongs> o riet, well
2012-08-23T10:44:23 < dongs> whatever you alloc y ou gotta free
2012-08-23T10:44:31 < dongs> wehre did you steal thelinkedlist shit from?
2012-08-23T10:44:40 < zyp> what dongs says is true
2012-08-23T10:44:49 < dongs> look at old glib sores (gtk dudeS). they have pretty clean slist/dlist implementations
2012-08-23T10:44:55 < zyp> don't you have a chHeapFree() to go with that chHeapAlloc()?
2012-08-23T10:45:31 < dongs> on embedded and known size lists it might not evne be useful to malloc/free all the fucking time
2012-08-23T10:45:38 < dongs> just make t he nodes pointers into some preallocated area
2012-08-23T10:45:43 < dongs> of course it all depends waht youre doing
2012-08-23T10:45:51 < zyp> yeah
2012-08-23T10:46:55 < dongs> chiBiDoNgS
2012-08-23T10:50:12 < cjbaird> dong: the "Lemote Yeeloong 8133" -- it looks like a Macbook.
2012-08-23T10:50:36 < zyp> dongs, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/6fm5x <- I got a bunch of random numbers for you
2012-08-23T10:50:58 < zyp> I know how you loves random numbers
2012-08-23T10:54:13 < cjbaird> Hmm, one of the 'official' shops isn't offering the 8133 yet.. http://loogson.taobao.com/
2012-08-23T10:56:35 < dongs> cjbaird: this shit right http://www.lemote.com/products/computer/yilong/312.html
2012-08-23T10:58:03 < cjbaird> dongs: yep
2012-08-23T10:58:21 < dongs> apparently not avialble yet, my pal is callin them up to check.
2012-08-23T10:59:06 < cjbaird> The last word I heard was for production to start happening in May, after a supply issue was settled.
2012-08-23T10:59:47 < cjbaird> The 8133 is almost twice as heavy at the 8101B I've got-- hopefully in batteries. :P
2012-08-23T11:00:23 < cjbaird> AMD GPU-- maybe from this: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyNTE .. "VIDIA Loses Huge GPU Order Due To Linux Blob"
2012-08-23T11:01:16 < dongs> haha
2012-08-23T11:01:38 < dongs> fuck quality, its all about freedom
2012-08-23T11:02:09 < cjbaird> 'Peformance' on a netbook? wut.
2012-08-23T11:02:44 < dongs> zyp: amazing python there.
2012-08-23T11:03:10 < dongs> by amazing i of course mean shitty.
2012-08-23T11:03:45 < cjbaird> gigabit networking this time, thankfully.
2012-08-23T11:04:01 < dongs> mnaybe t he VIA southbridge could actually keep up
2012-08-23T11:04:05 < dongs> or ALI or whatever hte fuck trash they're using
2012-08-23T11:04:30 < zyp> dongs, except it's C++
2012-08-23T11:04:39 < dongs> uh wat
2012-08-23T11:05:23 < zyp> I'm working on a way to define USB descriptors
2012-08-23T11:05:25 < dongs> alright. cjbaird word from teh boss is "will be available in about a month"
2012-08-23T11:05:37 < cjbaird> dongs: cool, thanks.
2012-08-23T11:05:41 < zyp> without having to write a book (or copy paste it) every time I want to use USB
2012-08-23T11:05:51 < dongs> price is around 800$
2012-08-23T11:06:02 < dongs> pretty spendy for a shitbook.
2012-08-23T11:09:04 < zyp> if I get this working like I want, I could wrap this into simple functions like «make all the interface/cdc/endpoint descriptors I need for an ACM interface»
2012-08-23T11:09:22 < zyp> and then just call that twice if I need two ACM interfaces
2012-08-23T11:11:35 < dongs> neat
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2012-08-23T11:32:29 < Tectu> I'm an electronic engineer and i do answer the guy here which does our website and stuff how he can fix his php shit
2012-08-23T11:32:31 < Tectu> dafuq
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2012-08-23T11:43:08 < claude_work> Tectu, i know how you feel ;)
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2012-08-23T11:43:44 < Tectu> claude_work, how do you handle that
2012-08-23T11:45:44 < claude_work> depends , sometimes i tell them that i'm 'just' the hardware guy and that it is very sad that i have to tell them how to do software or web shit
2012-08-23T11:50:58 < claude_work> sometimes i really get angry when a (claimed to be) software dev shows that he really doesn't have a clue what he is doing and needs to ask the guy with the soldering iron and o-scope how to do it
2012-08-23T11:51:45 < Tectu> yeah
2012-08-23T11:51:49 < Tectu> exactly
2012-08-23T11:52:09 < Tectu> and the worst of all, when they talk to other people, they behave like they know everything and are god
2012-08-23T11:52:18 < claude_work> ;)
2012-08-23T11:53:45 < claude_work> i'm really bad at coding and don't pretend that i'm good at it , but what some 'copy&paste' monkeys deliver here is just a shame
2012-08-23T11:54:00 < Tectu> right
2012-08-23T11:54:04 < Tectu> and i mean it's PHP
2012-08-23T11:54:06 < Tectu> i am a lowlevel C guy
2012-08-23T11:54:07 < Tectu> dafu
2012-08-23T11:54:10 < claude_work> here  , as here in my company
2012-08-23T11:54:24 < Tectu> you learn PHP in two days, when it comes to the shit he asked me
2012-08-23T11:56:08 < claude_work> and these are also the guys which spend more time on facebook at work than staring at code
2012-08-23T11:56:31 < Tectu> even better is when they ask me how to modify content types in a CMS i've never heard of before _and_ i fix it in 30seconds because the CMS is well done
2012-08-23T11:56:39 < Tectu> right
2012-08-23T11:56:43 <+Steffanx> left
2012-08-23T11:56:48 < claude_work> up
2012-08-23T11:56:53 < Tectu> right
2012-08-23T11:56:56 <+Steffanx> left
2012-08-23T11:56:57 < Tectu> also the guy who has a firewire 2.5" HDD
2012-08-23T11:57:00 < Tectu> up
2012-08-23T11:57:45  * claude_work switches rant mode off
2012-08-23T11:57:55  * Steffanx turns it back on
2012-08-23T11:58:18 < Tectu> lol.
2012-08-23T11:58:39  * Tectu breaks off the on/off button
2012-08-23T11:58:53 < claude_work> need coffee erhm rant fuel
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2012-08-23T12:21:50 <+izua> facebook is php
2012-08-23T12:21:54 <+izua> they are learning how other apps work
2012-08-23T12:21:59 <+izua> your point is irrelevant
2012-08-23T12:22:43 < Tectu> izua is definitley web developer in his company
2012-08-23T12:29:37 <+Steffanx> Tectu go do your job :P
2012-08-23T12:31:02 <+izua> and help the poor php guys too
2012-08-23T12:31:11 <+izua> you know php, they don't - it seems only fair you do their job
2012-08-23T12:33:20 < Tectu> doing web development is like asking dongs for stop trolling
2012-08-23T12:35:09 < Tectu> it will never work out
2012-08-23T12:35:14 <+Steffanx> Sure
2012-08-23T12:35:43 <+Steffanx> That's why it's so popular :P
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2012-08-23T14:08:58 < Laurenceb> heard about the Harryer jump jet?
2012-08-23T14:09:12 < Laurenceb> it Julian Assanges you from the rear
2012-08-23T14:17:36 <+Steffanx> Uh?
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2012-08-23T14:35:24 < claude_work> http://www.militarypictures.info/airplanes/UK_Harrier-6.jpg.html , can you spot the advanced stealth technology in this picture?
2012-08-23T14:36:20 < jpa-_> doesn't look water-proof
2012-08-23T14:52:52 < Vutral> lol
2012-08-23T14:52:57 < Vutral> submarine harrier
2012-08-23T14:53:10 < Vutral> they can start from a submarine lol
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2012-08-23T15:54:08 < cjbaird> I was wondering when NASA was going to make a Ray Bradbury reference. :)
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2012-08-23T16:14:44 < Tectu> how can I make this working? the 3th element must be a  char* which will be written to the display     http://pastebin.com/r2zveKer
2012-08-23T16:15:01 < Tectu> while argument number to, the i in DRAW_PEN() must be an int
2012-08-23T16:15:12 < Tectu> i tried   (char*) i   but that didn't work
2012-08-23T16:15:46 < jpa-_> so you want to convert an integer to string?
2012-08-23T16:15:48 < Tectu> i guess atoi() should work?
2012-08-23T16:15:50 < Tectu> yeah
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2012-08-23T16:15:58 < Tectu> itoa() *
2012-08-23T16:16:07 < jpa-_> itoa, yeah, if your libc has that
2012-08-23T16:16:08 < Tectu> it shall enumerate on the display ;)
2012-08-23T16:16:13 < jpa-_> otherwise snprintf
2012-08-23T16:16:17 < Tectu> cool
2012-08-23T16:16:22 < Tectu> thanks for the idea with sprintf
2012-08-23T16:16:53 < jpa-_> always use snprintf, sprintf (without buffer size limit) is playing with the devil
2012-08-23T16:17:14 <+Steffann> Who cares? :P
2012-08-23T16:17:30 <+Steffann> And why? In this case it shouldn't matter
2012-08-23T16:17:32 < Erlkoenig> if PENS < 10, just write:  char x [2] = "0\0"; for (i = 0.... ) {  x[0] = '0' + i; gdispDrawString (..., &x, ...); }
2012-08-23T16:17:35 < Erlkoenig> that would be faster
2012-08-23T16:17:58 < jpa-_> Steffann: if you never use sprintf, you can just remove it and be sure that you never use it :)
2012-08-23T16:18:25 < jpa-_> if you use sprintf where it is ok, you have to check and re-check every point where it is used
2012-08-23T16:18:41 < jpa-_> true, what Erlkoenig suggests is a fine hack also
2012-08-23T16:18:52 < Tectu> of course i don't have itoa
2012-08-23T16:19:00 < Tectu> let's see, Erlkoenig
2012-08-23T16:19:16 < Tectu> wait... Erlkoenig ??
2012-08-23T16:19:25 < Tectu> are you the Erlkoenig i think you are? ;)
2012-08-23T16:19:32 < Erlkoenig> jpa-_: would be easier if gdisp... didn't need a null-terminated-string ;)
2012-08-23T16:19:35 < Erlkoenig> Tectu: yep :D
2012-08-23T16:19:36 <+Steffann> I know jpa-_ I just like to argue your point
2012-08-23T16:19:53 < Tectu> hi Erlkoenig :>
2012-08-23T16:19:58 < Erlkoenig> tachchen ^^
2012-08-23T16:20:05 < Tectu> where did you get that swiss ip from?
2012-08-23T16:20:24 < Tectu> Steffann, never argue with jpa
2012-08-23T16:20:30 < Erlkoenig> bin im urlaub...
2012-08-23T16:20:59 <+Steffann> aka being lazy Erlkoenig ?
2012-08-23T16:21:19 < Erlkoenig> exact, doing nothing for two weeks <3
2012-08-23T16:21:35 < Erlkoenig> except knitting and a BIT programming :D
2012-08-23T16:21:58 < Tectu> knitting?
2012-08-23T16:21:59 <+Steffann> knitting...
2012-08-23T16:22:19 < Erlkoenig> it's very recreational.
2012-08-23T16:23:23 <+Steffann> Will you make us something too?
2012-08-23T16:23:35 < Tectu> why don't you do something useful?
2012-08-23T16:23:40 < Tectu> like... embroid
2012-08-23T16:23:54 < Erlkoenig> Steffann: a keyboard-warmer? :D
2012-08-23T16:24:00 < Tectu> wtf?
2012-08-23T16:24:25 < Laurenceb> a girlfriend
2012-08-23T16:24:28 < Erlkoenig> Tectu: hmm don't know how. :D
2012-08-23T16:24:57 < Erlkoenig> Laurenceb: i think my boyfriend wouldn't like that
2012-08-23T16:25:07 <+Steffann> At least she would be easy to wash
2012-08-23T16:25:17 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-23T16:25:34 < Tectu> lol
2012-08-23T16:26:08 < cjbaird> Neato-- the buttpirate can probe the i2c eeprom on the camera I bricked last night.
2012-08-23T16:26:42 <+Steffann> Seriously .. dongs had bad, very bad, influence on some here
2012-08-23T16:26:47 < Laurenceb> hehe
2012-08-23T16:27:12 < Tectu> Steffann, indeed
2012-08-23T16:36:24 < zyp> only Laurenceb
2012-08-23T16:36:42 <+Steffann> and cjbaird
2012-08-23T16:38:58 < Laurenceb> teehee
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2012-08-23T16:44:26 < Laurenceb> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3066087&cid=41090865
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2012-08-23T16:59:30 < cjbaird> UART camera unbricked. Who's Awesome? I'm Awesome.
2012-08-23T16:59:43 <+Steffann> Just cleared the eeprom? :)
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2012-08-23T17:00:15 < Erlkoenig> UART camera? 2 FPS?
2012-08-23T17:00:38 <+Steffann> 2.1
2012-08-23T17:00:46 < cjbaird> The resetting seems to be different to what I intended (I was only trying to write 0x00 to location 0x0019), but the camera inits and my software can talk to it again.
2012-08-23T17:04:12 <+Steffann> The camera said "Hello World"?
2012-08-23T17:06:45 < cjbaird> "Init end\r\n"
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2012-08-23T17:20:52 <+izua> dekar_: http://freecode.com/projects/zfec
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2012-08-23T17:30:14 < Tectu> http://www.abload.de/img/notepad_linestmu9y.jpg
2012-08-23T17:30:41 <+Steffann> Nice drawing skiilz
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2012-08-23T17:31:19 < Tectu> Steffann, thanks
2012-08-23T17:31:34 < Tectu> Steffann, this is lvl 4 drawing:  http://www.abload.de/img/notepad_chibiosluusx.jpg
2012-08-23T17:31:53 <+Steffann> I see some errors ..
2012-08-23T17:32:28 < Tectu> i see some showed-how-to-erase
2012-08-23T17:32:36 <+Steffann> Aah
2012-08-23T17:32:48 <+Steffann> Random pixels erased?
2012-08-23T17:33:17 < BrainDamage> what's the screen res?
2012-08-23T17:34:17 < Tectu> BrainDamage, 240x320
2012-08-23T17:34:46 < Tectu> Steffann, don't be dickisch, sir
2012-08-23T17:34:50 < Tectu> dickish*
2012-08-23T17:35:12 <+Steffann> Tectu?
2012-08-23T17:35:12 < Tectu> Steffann, it only got 4.8 rater than 5.0 V on the voltage regulator input
2012-08-23T17:35:17 < BrainDamage> there's some pixel holes in the C and H letters
2012-08-23T17:35:22 < Tectu> FUUUU!!!!!
2012-08-23T17:35:24 <+Steffann> Nooo you are not allowed to say that BrainDamage
2012-08-23T17:35:27 < jpa-_> yeah, the holes look strange
2012-08-23T17:35:35 < Tectu> indeed
2012-08-23T17:35:39 < Tectu> it's drawing failure of my display
2012-08-23T17:35:56 < jpa-_> especially first i of Chibios
2012-08-23T17:36:04 < Tectu> my chinese board doeas have a 16-bit GPIO lane which goes like 10cm over the entire board which contains I²C, uart and SPI stuff
2012-08-23T17:36:25 < Tectu> jpa-_, the i stuff was seriously drawing arround with white pen
2012-08-23T17:36:31 < jpa-_> ok
2012-08-23T17:36:50 < Tectu> also, creappy cheap touchpad ;)
2012-08-23T17:37:27 < BrainDamage> I think my 3 year old newphew would love your artistic skills btw
2012-08-23T17:37:53 < BrainDamage> capacitive or resistive?
2012-08-23T17:38:01 < Tectu> BrainDamage, resistive
2012-08-23T17:38:14 < Tectu> BrainDamage, less than 18$ including shipping
2012-08-23T17:38:59 < BrainDamage> all those cheap modules are resistive :/
2012-08-23T17:39:06 < karlp> nothing wrong with resistive :)
2012-08-23T17:39:11 < BrainDamage> I cannot seal it
2012-08-23T17:42:27 < Tectu> resistive are good for controlling, but not for professional drawings ;)
2012-08-23T17:43:00 < BrainDamage> I just want to be able to embed in a glass frame and make it waterproof
2012-08-23T17:43:11 < BrainDamage> or even plastic
2012-08-23T17:43:24 < Tectu> BrainDamage, yeah, that sucks
2012-08-23T17:43:43 < Tectu> BrainDamage, i've never seen capacitive for under 8⁰$
2012-08-23T17:43:45 < Tectu> 80$
2012-08-23T17:44:05 < BrainDamage> kinda odd considering there should be cellphone replacement parts
2012-08-23T17:44:34 < Tectu> BrainDamage, they are not that easy to handle
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2012-08-23T17:51:27 < cjbaird> The camera's pics were way too dark.. and then I realised I was taking them only a few milliseconds after it was powered-up..
2012-08-23T17:58:50 < cjbaird> camera: http://i.imgur.com/sQjRy.jpg
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2012-08-23T18:00:43 < zyp> 00:50:48 < BenFenner-Home> ALMOST_ONE = 0.999F is going to be fun to explain. =]
2012-08-23T18:00:59 < zyp> wat
2012-08-23T18:01:03 < upgrdman_> lol
2012-08-23T18:01:25 < zyp> didn't mean to paste that
2012-08-23T18:01:34 < zyp> random shit that was on my clipboard since yesterday
2012-08-23T18:01:39 < upgrdman_> but it was a good paste
2012-08-23T18:01:42 < BrainDamage> we all need an almost 1 constant in our code
2012-08-23T18:01:51 < zyp> sure, that's how it ended up on my clipboard :p
2012-08-23T18:02:35 < Thorn> "almost zero" is useful (if(fabs(a-b) < ALMOST_ZERO) { /* a == b */ }), but why "almost one"?
2012-08-23T18:03:24 < zyp> no idea, I just overheard it in another channel yesterday
2012-08-23T18:04:05 < upgrdman_> maybe he's treating it like a bool, with 1 being true ... i dunno
2012-08-23T18:05:28 < cjbaird> There's some excuse to do a > 0.999F instead of a >= 1F? (digital floating-point..)
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2012-08-23T18:06:08 < upgrdman_> what if it's 0.9995 ...
2012-08-23T18:13:20 < Erlkoenig> then the universe will disintegrate.
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2012-08-23T19:15:06 < Laurenceb> http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=FXOS8700CQ&nodeId=011269B37A
2012-08-23T19:16:27 <+Steffann> price++ Laurenceb ?
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2012-08-23T19:30:57 < zyp> hmm, accel/mag chip with SPI
2012-08-23T19:31:13 < zyp> might be interesting
2012-08-23T19:31:36 <+Steffann> Where's the gyro?
2012-08-23T19:31:37 < Laurenceb> the mag looks a bit bad
2012-08-23T19:31:47 < Laurenceb> temperature offset is horrible
2012-08-23T19:32:05 < Laurenceb> honeywell doesnt have that
2012-08-23T19:32:05 < zyp> that's what you always say
2012-08-23T19:32:37 < Laurenceb> honeywell make the best magnos, freescale the best accels, invensense the best gyros and measurement spec the best baros
2012-08-23T19:43:59 < karlp> by your powers combined.... I AM CAPTAIN SENSE!
2012-08-23T19:44:09 < BrainDamage> ...
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2012-08-23T20:39:34 < TitanMKD> hi
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2012-08-23T20:42:09 <+Steffann> lo
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2012-08-23T20:49:29 < karlp> asdf
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2012-08-23T21:07:16 < emeb> jkl;
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2012-08-23T21:40:55 < karlp> emeb: indeed.
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2012-08-23T22:49:55 <+Steffann> Whoa, ebay is scary: http://www.naffets.nl/share/a-20120823-214922.png
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2012-08-23T22:50:49 < zyp> scary how?
2012-08-23T22:51:42 <+Steffann> "friendly communication" .. wasn't friendly. "like a friend" "may god bless you and your family" .. seriously
2012-08-23T22:52:07 <+Steffann> And don't forget the "wish you a happy life"
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2012-08-23T22:53:24 < emeb> seems kinda stalkery
2012-08-23T22:53:55 < zyp> I had a similar experience with a seller once: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/aVP44.png
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2012-08-23T22:55:21 < zyp> I were friendly though, maybe that's the difference
2012-08-23T22:55:40 < zyp> they probably thank you for the «friendly communication» to make you feel bad about how you came across :p
2012-08-23T22:56:08 <+Steffann> I wasn't friendly, but also not unfriendly :)
2012-08-23T22:56:13 < zyp> «oh, here's a mad customer, let's shower him with friendly words»
2012-08-23T22:56:14 < Laurenceb_> ""
2012-08-23T22:56:50 < Laurenceb_> ««
2012-08-23T22:57:01 <+Steffann> I'll reply with a similar message zyp :P
2012-08-23T22:58:07 < BrainDamage> Steffann: I get similar messages from chinese sellers
2012-08-23T22:58:20 < Erlkoenig> also funny "3 Yahre Garantie". It's "Jahre", for "Years", in german, and "garantie" is "warranty"
2012-08-23T22:58:21 < BrainDamage> "hi friend!" , and I'm like "what?"
2012-08-23T22:58:29 < zyp> yeah, it's probably just some stock english they have
2012-08-23T22:58:49 <+Steffann> Yeah, this probably is some standard message from the (chinese) seller
2012-08-23T22:59:02 < Erlkoenig> one should learn chinese and mail them in chinese directly ;)
2012-08-23T22:59:11 < BrainDamage> also, the culture is so different that I wouldn't even exclude it being common courtesy addressing strangers as friend
2012-08-23T22:59:40 < BrainDamage> altought it does feel awkward
2012-08-23T22:59:45 <+Steffann> True, in Asia the 'all' seems to do that
2012-08-23T22:59:49 <+Steffann> Except in jappieland
2012-08-23T23:00:00 < zyp> «special price for you my friend» comes to mind
2012-08-23T23:00:11 <+Steffann> Or isn't dongs a standard jappylander?
2012-08-23T23:00:28 < zyp> everybody wants to be your friend when you are giving them money :p
2012-08-23T23:00:44 <+Steffann> It was only 19 euro
2012-08-23T23:00:59 <+Steffann> even less, 15
2012-08-23T23:01:20 < Erlkoenig> would be interesting to know what you can buy for 15eur in china...
2012-08-23T23:01:27 < zyp> Steffann, it still adds up
2012-08-23T23:01:30 < BrainDamage> a lot of things
2012-08-23T23:01:49 <+Steffann> You can buy CRAP :)
2012-08-23T23:01:50 < BrainDamage> go to dx.com and do a search with price limit of 20$
2012-08-23T23:01:59 < BrainDamage> and you'll get a very rough idea
2012-08-23T23:02:03 < Erlkoenig> well not only technology stuff ;)
2012-08-23T23:02:03 <+Steffann> Not everything from dx is crap though
2012-08-23T23:02:08 < zyp> dx isn't even cheap
2012-08-23T23:02:25 < BrainDamage> yeah, I often find better deals on ebay than dx
2012-08-23T23:02:58 < zyp> dx is well known, so they can afford to charge more due to the reputation
2012-08-23T23:03:04 <+Steffann> I don't care about 1 euro more or less :P
2012-08-23T23:03:21 < emeb> if you're not careful searching on dx you'll end up looking at their "adult toys" - eeewwww!
2012-08-23T23:03:35 < Erlkoenig> waaat
2012-08-23T23:03:36 <+Steffann> You don't like that?
2012-08-23T23:03:58 < BrainDamage> I find the adult section of dx hilarious
2012-08-23T23:04:08 < emeb> yep
2012-08-23T23:04:10 < Erlkoenig> of course everyone would love sticking china quality ... things into their body openings
2012-08-23T23:04:15 < BrainDamage> like that penis electroshock machine
2012-08-23T23:04:20 <+Steffann> :D
2012-08-23T23:04:30 < emeb> once again - eeewwwww!
2012-08-23T23:04:42 < Erlkoenig> BrainDamage: estim stuff is usually much overpriced, one could easily build that yourself :D
2012-08-23T23:04:53 < Erlkoenig> only need a coil...
2012-08-23T23:04:59 < BrainDamage> I find hilarious to see, not to use
2012-08-23T23:04:59 <+Steffann> No one can beat the chinese ...
2012-08-23T23:05:31 <+Steffann> You'll probably pay more for your copper wire, than the coil it sell when bought in china :P
2012-08-23T23:06:25 < Erlkoenig> hmokay, i dont know about the chinese ones, the stuff you usually get in european stores is definitively more expensive than a coil... :D
2012-08-23T23:07:41 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage:  http://www.reghardware.com/2012/08/23/review_samsung_galaxy_beam_android_smartphone/page3.html
2012-08-23T23:07:48 <+Steffann> I don't know either, but i wouldn't be surprised if i'm right
2012-08-23T23:07:53 < Laurenceb_> looks relevant to your interests
2012-08-23T23:08:37 <+Steffann> I think BrainDamage already has a real beamer for that
2012-08-23T23:08:53 < BrainDamage> I bought a phone less than a month ago, not planning to buy a new one unti it breaks
2012-08-23T23:09:22 <+Steffann> Too bad
2012-08-23T23:10:50 < Erlkoenig> are there any real stable smartphones - unbreakable like the old nokias, but with (simple/basic) www and probably mail access?
2012-08-23T23:11:18 < Laurenceb_> no
2012-08-23T23:11:22 < BrainDamage> wouldn't that be a giant waste?
2012-08-23T23:11:24 < Laurenceb_> who would want suck a thing
2012-08-23T23:11:27 < Laurenceb_>  /sarcasm
2012-08-23T23:11:33 < Laurenceb_> *such
2012-08-23T23:11:37 < BrainDamage> using a modern processor to run a minimal feature set?
2012-08-23T23:11:40 < Erlkoenig> i would like a phone that doesn't break after one year of usage...
2012-08-23T23:11:47 < zyp> Laurenceb_, who would want to make such a thing, rather
2012-08-23T23:11:49 < BrainDamage> sure, but there's still old style phones
2012-08-23T23:12:11 < Erlkoenig> yes, but they don't have internet access...
2012-08-23T23:12:11 < BrainDamage> even old phones had email and limited web browsing
2012-08-23T23:12:18 < Erlkoenig> very limited ;)
2012-08-23T23:13:10 < zyp> there are some rugged smartphones
2012-08-23T23:13:17 < Erlkoenig> yes? show me!!1 :D
2012-08-23T23:13:31 < zyp> I don't remember which
2012-08-23T23:14:09 < zyp> a simple google search reminds me that samsung galaxy xcover is one
2012-08-23T23:15:13 < Erlkoenig> aah great.. there are cheaper phones but okay
2012-08-23T23:15:29 < zyp> I believe sony also had a rugged model
2012-08-23T23:16:07 < zyp> sony xperia go
2012-08-23T23:16:19 < Erlkoenig> unfortunately i wasnt able to resolder the loose SMD USB plug on my current smartphone...
2012-08-23T23:16:37 < zyp> which do you have?
2012-08-23T23:16:42 < BrainDamage> hot air or soldering iron?
2012-08-23T23:17:19 < Erlkoenig> a Palm Treo 500, only a basic soldering station...
2012-08-23T23:19:51 < zyp> http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/8/2854047/caterpillar-cat-b10-rugged-smartphone-pictures-hands-on <- this looks a bit over the top rugged :p
2012-08-23T23:21:12 < Erlkoenig> oh thanks... nice to hear that there are ruggedized smartphones ;)
2012-08-23T23:21:29 < Erlkoenig> although the palm treo survived some crashes on concrete floor...
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2012-08-23T23:22:52 < zyp> oh, and the reputation of the old nokias is a bit overstated
2012-08-23T23:23:35 < zyp> I once broke one by dropping it on a tiled bathroom floor
2012-08-23T23:25:04 < zyp> and I had another two that suddenly refused to boot
2012-08-23T23:25:18 < Erlkoenig> obviously faked ones. :D
2012-08-23T23:25:39 < zyp> it was the 3310/3330 ones
2012-08-23T23:25:47 < BrainDamage> or maybe you shouldn't rely on internet fads for accurate infos :p
2012-08-23T23:26:33 < zyp> I didn't care much about having the latest phone, so I just got the old phones from some friends when they bought new ones
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2012-08-23T23:29:01 < Thorn> I still use a siemens ax75
2012-08-23T23:29:27 < zyp> after I were done with nokias, I bought a SE K610i
2012-08-23T23:29:45 < Erlkoenig> having a phone which can look up public transit connections is very handy ;)
2012-08-23T23:30:11 < zyp> I used to keep that in my breast pocket when I worked as an electrician, it happened to fall out when I was leaning forwards several times
2012-08-23T23:30:22 < zyp> once it survived falling down some stairs
2012-08-23T23:32:02 < zyp> it lived for three years, until it started turning off at random
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2012-08-23T23:42:06 < Laurenceb_> nice - leiton do 2 layer FFC for approx the same price as 1
2012-08-23T23:42:14 < Laurenceb_> 250euro MOQ
2012-08-23T23:43:10 < Laurenceb_> still way more than FR4 board from seeedstudio of course :(
2012-08-23T23:44:16 < zyp> ok
2012-08-23T23:44:22 < upgrdman_> ffc?
2012-08-23T23:44:36 < Laurenceb_> erm flat flex pcb even
2012-08-23T23:44:46 < upgrdman_> o
2012-08-23T23:44:48 < Laurenceb_> ffc is avaliable off the shelf
2012-08-23T23:45:06 < BrainDamage> MOQ?
2012-08-23T23:45:14 < Laurenceb_> minimum order
2012-08-23T23:45:20 < Laurenceb_> thats pre tax
2012-08-23T23:45:43 < Laurenceb_> gets me about 12 square inches
2012-08-23T23:46:04 < Laurenceb_> but it scales very little with area
2012-08-23T23:46:54 < BrainDamage> mmm? that's odd, usually pcb costs are pretty linear with area, what's there for inital barrier?
2012-08-23T23:47:15 < Laurenceb_> processing tooling etc
2012-08-23T23:47:38 < zyp> NRC
2012-08-23T23:48:18 < Laurenceb_> ?
2012-08-23T23:49:36 < Laurenceb_> non repeated costs?
2012-08-23T23:50:15 < zyp> something like that
2012-08-23T23:50:28 < BrainDamage> yes, but I was wondering exactly which are those
2012-08-23T23:50:50 < BrainDamage> even tooling usage is still somehow proportional to area due to wear and time slots
2012-08-23T23:51:18 < BrainDamage> an in his case, it seems even dominant
2012-08-23T23:51:45 < BrainDamage> maybe the initial production setup that still has to pay off
2012-08-23T23:51:53 < BrainDamage> and they mortage on the users
2012-08-23T23:52:05 < zyp> by the way, are you talking about area per board or area of all boards together?
2012-08-23T23:52:12 < Laurenceb_> all boards
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2012-08-23T23:52:18 < Laurenceb_> my board is about 2x3cm
2012-08-23T23:52:26 < Laurenceb_> pcbtrain has a similar pricing model
2012-08-23T23:52:40 < Laurenceb_> only batchpcb and seeed/itead use the area model
2012-08-23T23:53:09 < zyp> NRC includes preparing shit to handle a new design
2012-08-23T23:54:41 < Laurenceb_> tbh i dont care about costs as itrs work stuff
2012-08-23T23:54:54 < Laurenceb_> but its almost cheap enough for some of my own designs
2012-08-23T23:55:29 < TitanMKD> for those interested by my work in progress STM32F4 debug board see my blog http://titanmkd.blogspot.com/
2012-08-23T23:55:35 < TitanMKD> all comments are welcome
2012-08-23T23:56:34 < zyp> no schematic?
2012-08-23T23:57:03 < TitanMKD> it's a WIP ;)
2012-08-23T23:57:18 < TitanMKD> later i will publish schematics
2012-08-23T23:57:19 < Laurenceb_> you from uk?
2012-08-23T23:57:26 < TitanMKD> no i'm from France
2012-08-23T23:57:31 < Laurenceb_> ah
2012-08-23T23:57:43 < BrainDamage> why "debug" ?
2012-08-23T23:57:44 < Erlkoenig> oh, is there any small handy board with a STM32F4, an ethernet jack and a few GPIO's for around 20Euros?
2012-08-23T23:57:47 < Laurenceb_> it just redirects to blogspot.co.uk
2012-08-23T23:57:49 < zyp> TitanMKD, how can I comment on your power regulators if I can't see how they are connected?
2012-08-23T23:57:57 < TitanMKD> Debug because I will do full software like bus pirate with terminal ;)
2012-08-23T23:58:09 < zyp> TitanMKD, I've looked on the board pics before, and something about it doesn't look very sensible
2012-08-23T23:58:26 < BrainDamage> Erlkoenig: add an ethernet module to a f4 discovery
2012-08-23T23:58:48 < TitanMKD> zyp what doesn't look very sensible ?
2012-08-23T23:59:28 < Erlkoenig> BrainDamage: the problem is i fear soldering such delicate parts myself ;)
2012-08-23T23:59:41 < BrainDamage> Erlkoenig: no soldering necessary
2012-08-23T23:59:48 < Erlkoenig> there is a ready module?
2012-08-23T23:59:59 < zyp> TitanMKD, the way you have seperate regulators for lipo-powered and usb-powered usage
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2012-08-24T00:00:01 < BrainDamage> try ebay "ethernet module"
2012-08-24T00:00:07 < BrainDamage> you'll be swamped with results
2012-08-24T00:00:20 < TitanMKD> zyp in fact i changed that
2012-08-24T00:00:54 < BrainDamage> TitanMKD: why is it the board called "debug" ?
2012-08-24T00:00:55 < zyp> TitanMKD, well, I can't comment on how it looks now if I can't see the schematic for it
2012-08-24T00:01:32 < TitanMKD> zyp if you do not want the LipO stuff you should not populate components under microUSB connector and populate the big 3.3V regulator on the bottom of the board
2012-08-24T00:01:40 < zyp> Erlkoenig, the F4 already contains an ethernet MAC, so you only need a PHY
2012-08-24T00:01:50 < TitanMKD> zyp give me your Email and i will send you the schematic
2012-08-24T00:02:07 < Erlkoenig> zyp: i know, i'd like a ready module that fits exactly to this mac
2012-08-24T00:02:41 < TitanMKD> zyp the good stuf is with more than 40GPIO this little board can also read NandFlash ;)
2012-08-24T00:03:14 < zyp> Erlkoenig, http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=dp83848
2012-08-24T00:04:09 < Erlkoenig> with this one i can take advantage of the MAC in the STM32F4? nice. ;)
2012-08-24T00:05:45 < TitanMKD> Erlkoenig on my board there's no Ethernet
2012-08-24T00:05:58 < TitanMKD> Erlkoenig as the LQFP64 STM32F4 does not include ethernet
2012-08-24T00:06:15 < Erlkoenig> a pity...
2012-08-24T00:06:55 < zyp> the LQFP100 on the discovery board does
2012-08-24T00:07:16 < TitanMKD> and anyway my board will be really more expensive than STM32F4 discovery
2012-08-24T00:07:35 < TitanMKD> the discovery price is just impossible to reach
2012-08-24T00:07:52 < TitanMKD> it's the price of the MCU when bought by 10 or 100 :(
2012-08-24T00:08:09 < karlp> Erlkoenig: the vodafone branded entrylevel huawei phones are pretty solid physically.
2012-08-24T00:08:20 < qyx_> TitanMKD: according to datasheet f4 in lqfp64 has full mii interface available
2012-08-24T00:08:38 < TitanMKD> qyx_ ha i was thinking it was not present
2012-08-24T00:08:40 < BrainDamage> TitanMKD: how is your board any better than a discovery?
2012-08-24T00:09:00 < TitanMKD> BrainDamage it's 60mm*37mm with a cool case ;)
2012-08-24T00:09:09 < zyp> qyx_, the problem is that MAC is only present in F407, and only F405 is available in LQFP64
2012-08-24T00:09:24 < Erlkoenig> karlp: oh thanks... :)
2012-08-24T00:09:25 < TitanMKD> BrainDamage and with lipo you can plug it to a phone ...
2012-08-24T00:09:51 < qyx_> zyp: why there is such option then?
2012-08-24T00:09:53 < qyx_> hm
2012-08-24T00:10:05 < zyp> qyx_, there aren't
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2012-08-24T00:10:10 < zyp> check page 13 of datasheet
2012-08-24T00:10:17 < TitanMKD> like the USB HighSpeed the ULPI stuff was too big and expensive :(
2012-08-24T00:10:34 < TitanMKD> but anyway USB FS OTG is very good
2012-08-24T00:10:43 < zyp> TitanMKD, OTG_HS is available in F405
2012-08-24T00:10:57 < TitanMKD> zyp yes but it requires lot of components and use too much IO
2012-08-24T00:11:19 < karlp> Erlkoenig: for stm32 with ethernet, the hitex comsticks maybe? http://www.hitex.com/index.php?id=stm32-comstick
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2012-08-24T00:11:31 < karlp> not the nicest connectors though
2012-08-24T00:11:44 < zyp> TitanMKD, how is a single HS PHY chip «a lot of components»?
2012-08-24T00:12:09 < qyx_> zyp: i see now, that's very good point as i was planning to reroute one my board from lqfp100 to 64
2012-08-24T00:12:15 < qyx_> but never noticed that detail :S
2012-08-24T00:12:28 < TitanMKD> zyp but it requires in addition 8io and that remove SPI and other very important peripherals
2012-08-24T00:13:05 < TitanMKD> zyp it's why i cancelled this option to have a multi-purpose debug board/hack board with maximum peripherals and IO to do pratically all possible stuff/protocol ;)
2012-08-24T00:13:10 < zyp> TitanMKD, «important» really depends on your application, it's not important if you don't need it for that particular application
2012-08-24T00:13:57 < TitanMKD> zyp i plan to use an extension board for USB HS ;)
2012-08-24T00:14:07 < Erlkoenig> karlp: nice, but a bit more expensive than hoped for... regarding that there are 20 Eur. kits available with an AVR, and some sort of SPI->Ethernet adapter...
2012-08-24T00:14:11 < TitanMKD> zyp like an FT2232H ;)
2012-08-24T00:14:43 < karlp> Erlkoenig: stellaris launchpad is in the works, it should have the ethernet port on it?
2012-08-24T00:14:44 < TitanMKD> which could be also a JTAG/SWD debugger ;)
2012-08-24T00:15:08 < karlp> zyp: why the DP83848? personal success with it? what's the difference vs any other phy?
2012-08-24T00:15:39 < zyp> TitanMKD, and a quick glance at the AF map tells me that SPI1 can be mapped to pins that's not used for ULPI, so your argument about SPI is invalid.
2012-08-24T00:16:12 < zyp> karlp, I just grabbed the one that came with my waveshare kit and read the number off it
2012-08-24T00:16:20 < karlp> ahh :)
2012-08-24T00:16:22 < TitanMKD> zyp i want 2 SPI ;)
2012-08-24T00:16:26 < Erlkoenig> karlp: waaaat no stm32... but okay ;)
2012-08-24T00:16:31 < TitanMKD> zyp and also I2C and 2 USART
2012-08-24T00:16:40 < karlp> Erlkoenig: a cortex is a cortex?
2012-08-24T00:16:42 < TitanMKD> zyp you cannot have all if you add ULPI
2012-08-24T00:16:44 < zyp> SPI3 is also available on non-ULPI pins
2012-08-24T00:16:48 < karlp> yeh, easier to not switch of course :)
2012-08-24T00:17:07 < TitanMKD> zyp i checked with MicroXplorer during hours
2012-08-24T00:17:07 < karlp> olimex has an f4 board with ethernet, but I havne't seen it for $20
2012-08-24T00:17:19 < karlp> Erlkoenig: what avr+ethernet boards for $20 have you seen?
2012-08-24T00:17:20 < TitanMKD> zyp and it was a no way to have all peripherals i have :(
2012-08-24T00:17:40 < zyp> TitanMKD, then it's time to choose a larger package, problem solved.
2012-08-24T00:17:42 < Erlkoenig> karlp: http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/MTQ5OTgxOTk-/Bausaetze_Module/Bausaetze/Bausatz_AVR_NET_IO.html   this one
2012-08-24T00:18:01 < qyx_> tfuj
2012-08-24T00:18:04 < qyx_> enc28j60
2012-08-24T00:18:21 < karlp> Erlkoenig: well, you could drop an enc28j60 module on any of the discovery boards for under $20,
2012-08-24T00:18:22 < qyx_> it has longer errata than datasheet
2012-08-24T00:18:27 < TitanMKD> zyp it's will be not a tiny debugger like the BusPirate and the size 60mm*37mm is just the best i think
2012-08-24T00:18:32 < karlp> but the enc28j60 isn't super popular I thougth
2012-08-24T00:18:43 < qyx_> it is popular, but buggy
2012-08-24T00:18:43 < BrainDamage> it is between hobbysts
2012-08-24T00:18:46 < TitanMKD> zyp anyway wait for the next design with an other MCU it will have all anyone dream ;)
2012-08-24T00:18:48 < Erlkoenig> karlp: well the idea was to not use the enc*, but rahter the mac of the f4
2012-08-24T00:18:50 < BrainDamage> because it's cheap
2012-08-24T00:19:07 < zyp> karlp, the dp83848 is just as cheap
2012-08-24T00:19:41 < zyp> and to me it seems more sensible to go with the internal MAC than adding another
2012-08-24T00:19:51 < BrainDamage> module wise, no
2012-08-24T00:20:07 < BrainDamage> the enc modules are 4.5$ inc shipping
2012-08-24T00:20:11 < karlp> zyp: yeah, agreed, but the modules aren't quite as common
2012-08-24T00:20:23 < BrainDamage> the dp is 17$ between shipping and module cost
2012-08-24T00:20:55 < BrainDamage> but yes, I'd still use the internal mac
2012-08-24T00:21:16 < zyp> 10 vs 100 Mb/s may also be an argument
2012-08-24T00:21:20 < Erlkoenig> yes, then you can take advantage of the DMA
2012-08-24T00:21:39 < karlp> TitanMKD: youe blog page is miles too wide
2012-08-24T00:21:54 < qyx_> you certainly want to avoid enc* and use internal mac :X
2012-08-24T00:22:06 < qyx_> it is worth 12$ more
2012-08-24T00:22:35 < TitanMKD> karlp ha  why you look it on screen 800*600 ?
2012-08-24T00:22:53 < karlp> no, but I prefer browsers not to be as wide as my screen
2012-08-24T00:23:01 < karlp> on 800x600 your blog would be unusably wide
2012-08-24T00:23:20 < zyp> I used to prefer having my browser as wide as my screen
2012-08-24T00:23:47 < karlp> until you got widescreen screens, so did I
2012-08-24T00:23:52 < zyp> until I got this new display, 2560px is really too wide
2012-08-24T00:23:58 < TitanMKD> anyway if some of you are interested in some protoboard i will have 10 boards
2012-08-24T00:24:17 < TitanMKD> but before to sell anything i will check all is ok
2012-08-24T00:24:59 < TitanMKD> the sw behind will use chibios and all drivers will use DMA ;)
2012-08-24T00:25:35 < TitanMKD> with possibility to launch in // all independant peripherals ;)
2012-08-24T00:25:35 < zyp> so you are selling it as a complete product and not a development board?
2012-08-24T00:25:57 < TitanMKD> zyp yes it's intended to be a complete product with pcb soldered+case+sw like bus pirate
2012-08-24T00:26:41 < TitanMKD> but all is possible just give some PCB with schematic/pcb to solder it yourself ...
2012-08-24T00:26:44 < zyp> I'm not familiar with the bus pirate, where does the lipo come into play?
2012-08-24T00:26:49 < TitanMKD> and the sw will be opensource under github
2012-08-24T00:27:04 < BrainDamage> so it'll come with firmware preprogrammed?
2012-08-24T00:27:26 < TitanMKD> zyp the lipo is intended to be here to connect the board to an android phone and use android with terminal to do stuff
2012-08-24T00:27:36 < TitanMKD> like send data on SPI1 ...
2012-08-24T00:27:36 < karlp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G-OVrI9x8Zs#!
2012-08-24T00:28:47 < TitanMKD> zyp it's why any idea is welcome ;) I can modify stuff
2012-08-24T00:29:37 < zyp> TitanMKD, did any work on the software yet? I'm imagining you should be able to prototype it all on a discovery board
2012-08-24T00:29:55 < BrainDamage> the bus pirate is basically a mcu with firmware to speak some of the classic protocols and redirect to pc
2012-08-24T00:30:09 < TitanMKD> zyp i have already done a full sw with terminal with my other board TRF7970A v1.0 & v1.1
2012-08-24T00:30:57 < TitanMKD> zyp of course all was done using my STM32F4 Discovery (I have even 2 boards ;)
2012-08-24T00:31:33 < zyp> sounds like you're all set then :)
2012-08-24T00:31:54 < TitanMKD> but anyway it's a huge work
2012-08-24T00:32:40 < TitanMKD> but planned to be reusable and C Ansi with abstraction layer to be not linked too much to the HW
2012-08-24T00:32:56 < TitanMKD> it's why chibios is a must ;)
2012-08-24T00:38:11 < Laurenceb_> lol US immigration is insane
2012-08-24T00:38:21 < TitanMKD> have good night bye
2012-08-24T00:38:27 < Laurenceb_> my friend just got questioned for 6 hours trying to go on holiday
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2012-08-24T00:39:24 < cjbaird> Going /to/ America for a holiday..?
2012-08-24T00:39:30 < Laurenceb_> heh
2012-08-24T00:39:36 < Laurenceb_> better than australia
2012-08-24T00:39:41 < Thorn> wat
2012-08-24T00:39:44 < Thorn> in the UK?
2012-08-24T00:39:53 < Laurenceb_> no when he arrived
2012-08-24T00:40:25 < zyp> Laurenceb_, not surprising, considering it's your friend
2012-08-24T00:40:34 < Laurenceb_> they wanted to ask about an incident where a bunch of kids got run over by a horse drawn carriage he used to own
2012-08-24T00:41:54 < Laurenceb_> which is kind of crazy as it was 10 years ago and he was never even alleged to be responsible
2012-08-24T00:42:32 < Laurenceb_> dunno how they find this stuff out.. presumably old newspaper searches
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2012-08-24T00:43:32 < cjbaird> The 'Total Information Awareness' thing the DoD of theres kept running illegally after the US Congress told them to stop..
2012-08-24T00:44:12 < Laurenceb_> crawling around on google for ages would probably have given them a newspaper article where some idiot blamed him for it
2012-08-24T00:44:19 < Laurenceb_> i guess...
2012-08-24T00:45:37 < cjbaird> I suppose the FBI keeps a record of every offence.
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2012-08-24T00:46:17 < Laurenceb_> ever... anywhere
2012-08-24T00:52:08 < Laurenceb_> shit theres no way im ever getting into the US
2012-08-24T00:52:47 < cjbaird> Same here.
2012-08-24T00:52:53 < Thorn> isn't there visa free entry into the US for UK citizens?
2012-08-24T00:53:13 < Erlkoenig> Laurenceb_: isn't everyone supposed to at least once see NY? :D
2012-08-24T00:54:17 < BrainDamage> considering my personal projects and irc logs
2012-08-24T00:54:36 < Laurenceb_> Thorn: not if you have a criminal record
2012-08-24T00:54:38 < BrainDamage> there's no way I could make it to the usa, I bet they'd arrest me for being a terrorist
2012-08-24T00:54:46 < BrainDamage> despite having 0 criminal record
2012-08-24T00:55:14 < Erlkoenig> wat? do you build R/C bombers in your free time or what? :D
2012-08-24T00:55:27 < Laurenceb_> i guess by the standards of my family im ok
2012-08-24T00:55:41 < Laurenceb_> my mum smashed a police officers face in with an iron bar
2012-08-24T00:55:58 < Laurenceb_> and my dad was caught running a cannabis farm
2012-08-24T00:56:08 < Laurenceb_> he entered us illegally from Canada
2012-08-24T00:56:26 < Laurenceb_> thats one way around it
2012-08-24T00:57:08 < BrainDamage> no but I built a 10kJ railgun
2012-08-24T00:57:35 < BrainDamage> later expanded to 15
2012-08-24T00:57:38 < BrainDamage> 2.1 km/s
2012-08-24T00:57:41 < Laurenceb_> go to Canada and walk over the border
2012-08-24T00:57:46 < Laurenceb_> seriously?
2012-08-24T00:57:47 < Erlkoenig> could a railgun be of any practical use in a fight? :D
2012-08-24T00:57:58 < Laurenceb_> i hadnt heard of anyone getting decent velocities
2012-08-24T00:58:39 < cjbaird> I slept with the daughters of 3 past American Presidents...
2012-08-24T00:58:39 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: any photos?
2012-08-24T00:58:42 < BrainDamage> I cheated, I simply designed everything at edge of self destructition for projectile and repeated testing until one worked
2012-08-24T00:58:42 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-24T00:58:54 < cjbaird> (*cough screw up the TIA trawlers, I shall :) *
2012-08-24T00:59:02 < Laurenceb_> heh
2012-08-24T00:59:05 < BrainDamage> no, and frankly nothing electronic will go near it when it operates
2012-08-24T00:59:10 < Laurenceb_> this irc may contain works of fiction
2012-08-24T00:59:42 < BrainDamage> I can give you pics of the storage caps, the rails, etc
2012-08-24T00:59:52 < cjbaird> I had a fun night with potato cannons around a Satellite tracking station once..
2012-08-24T00:59:55 < BrainDamage> but you'll have to wait Sunday, since it's at my classmate
2012-08-24T01:00:04 < Laurenceb_> cool
2012-08-24T01:00:13 < Laurenceb_> did you use a pre stage?
2012-08-24T01:00:25 < BrainDamage> yes, a lousy spring injection stay
2012-08-24T01:00:27 < BrainDamage> stage*
2012-08-24T01:00:32 < Erlkoenig> you aren't allowed to build something like that at home, but you may carry big guns around in the us? funny
2012-08-24T01:01:07 < BrainDamage> frankly, it's super shitty as weapon, but it's still classified as such
2012-08-24T01:02:05 < cjbaird> Heh. You're talking about weapons, but even free speech gets you the glove from TSA these days..
2012-08-24T01:02:09 < Laurenceb_> thats quite impressive velocity
2012-08-24T01:02:27 < Laurenceb_> but ive seems 6Km/s from tabletop ligh gas guns
2012-08-24T01:03:00 < Tectu> what?
2012-08-24T01:03:02 < Tectu> wtf
2012-08-24T01:03:05 < Tectu> 6km/s?
2012-08-24T01:03:11 < Laurenceb_> university of kent iirc
2012-08-24T01:03:30 < Laurenceb_> http://astro.kent.ac.uk/facilities/lgg.htm
2012-08-24T01:03:39 < Laurenceb_> http://astro.kent.ac.uk/images/lgg_large.PNG
2012-08-24T01:03:56 < Laurenceb_> gun is in the foreground
2012-08-24T01:04:08 < cjbaird> "upper rate of 2 shots per day" :)
2012-08-24T01:04:19 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-24T01:07:36 < BrainDamage> best are voitenko compressors
2012-08-24T01:07:52 < BrainDamage> shaped charge that propels the light gas gun
2012-08-24T01:08:49 < BrainDamage> according to this: http://www.islandone.org/LEOBiblio/SPBI134.HTM 40km/s :p
2012-08-24T01:09:14 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2012-08-24T01:10:03 < Laurenceb_> didnt know you could get that fast with explosives
2012-08-24T01:11:51 < Laurenceb_> one way to do n-prize :P
2012-08-24T01:13:32 < BrainDamage> does it have to bundle telemetry or can it be a smashed piece of metal? :p
2012-08-24T01:14:18 < Laurenceb_> it just has to be detected
2012-08-24T01:14:37 < Laurenceb_> ive been kind of working of a balloon launched spin stabilised Estes motor
2012-08-24T01:14:40 < Laurenceb_> dont laugh
2012-08-24T01:15:12 < Laurenceb_> i was thinking of taking the casing off on a lathe an adding a nozzle and putting it in a carbon fibre tube
2012-08-24T01:15:23 < Laurenceb_> might reach 100km
2012-08-24T01:15:35 < BrainDamage> nah, keep having all sort of insane ideas daily, and sometimes I even try to realize them ..
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2012-08-24T01:25:11 < Laurenceb_> heh i know the feeling
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2012-08-24T01:32:01 < Laurenceb_> aiui the kent university light gas gun uses shotgun shells
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2012-08-24T01:40:00 < Laurenceb_> lolwhat
2012-08-24T01:40:03 < Laurenceb_> http://www.islandone.org/
2012-08-24T01:40:10 < Laurenceb_> notice is funny
2012-08-24T01:41:03 < BrainDamage> wtf
2012-08-24T01:44:28 < Laurenceb_> presumably you use a shredder
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2012-08-24T02:40:53 < emeb> 0402 LEDs - who'da thunk it?
2012-08-24T02:43:37 < emeb> Need to make a cable to convert from the little 4-pin connector to the giant 0.1" SWD header that I put on my boards.
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2012-08-24T09:09:23 < Tectu> when using mathlib   -lm   and then call stuff like sinf() etc. does it automaticly use the FPU in Cortex-M4?
2012-08-24T09:09:48 < jpa-> if your libm was compiled for hardware floating point
2012-08-24T09:10:04 < Tectu> how can i find out?
2012-08-24T09:10:21 < jpa-> i would check the disassembly for FPU instructions
2012-08-24T09:10:24 < Tectu> and when it is, then it does automaticly use FPU where possible, and don't use where none?
2012-08-24T09:10:38 < Tectu> then not, i guess
2012-08-24T09:11:16 < jpa-> nope, if it is compiled for hardware floating point, it won't work if the FPU is missing
2012-08-24T09:11:42 < jpa-> but some GCC versions also have support for multilib, so that it selects between the precompiled libraries based on the selected processor
2012-08-24T09:11:44 < Tectu> good
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2012-08-24T09:21:01 < zyp> also, if your libm is compiled for another float ABI than what you are using, you may find that your application doesn't work correctly
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2012-08-24T09:24:49 < zyp> (when you have an FPU, it's faster to be able to pass float function arguments in FPU registers so you don't have to pass them back and forth between FPU and CPU unnecessary)
2012-08-24T09:25:25 < zyp> but that obviously doesn't work when you don't have an FPU
2012-08-24T09:26:05 < zyp> and doesn't work if a function expects arguments in CPU and caller puts them in the FPU
2012-08-24T09:26:27 < Tectu> that makes sense, yeah
2012-08-24T09:26:27 < Tectu> thanks
2012-08-24T09:26:55 < dongs> blogs
2012-08-24T09:27:47 < dongs> and this is why kids use real compilers.
2012-08-24T09:31:05 < jpa-> yeah, when you can't configure it, even dongs can manage!
2012-08-24T09:32:11 < dongs> i like configurable dongs!
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2012-08-24T12:02:27  * Laurenceb_ is lolling
2012-08-24T12:02:48 < Laurenceb_> just found a project called PeADoCeWs
2012-08-24T12:03:07 < zyp> ok
2012-08-24T12:06:08 < Laurenceb_> someone needs to come up with better acronyms
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2012-08-24T12:13:26 < Tectu> Laurenceb, wtf?
2012-08-24T12:14:18 < dongs> almost as wtf as "chibios"
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2012-08-24T12:24:10 < dongs> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1718148
2012-08-24T12:24:13 < dongs> Laurenceb-class trollin
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2012-08-24T14:55:58 < cjbaird> Australian Public Television at its finest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtRyUZYIvPM
2012-08-24T14:57:38 < cjbaird> (Australian Childrens Television at its finest, too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG4janHITY8)
2012-08-24T15:02:08 < karlp> gotta love tism
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2012-08-24T17:54:47 < dongs> hmm
2012-08-24T17:54:51 < dongs> to use libopencm3 or not to use...
2012-08-24T17:55:24 < zyp> for what?
2012-08-24T17:55:33 < Erlkoenig> what exactly does it do? the website is rather... empty
2012-08-24T17:56:05 < dongs> zyp, not really sure... i gue ss their USB driver is a bit less aids
2012-08-24T17:56:14 < dongs> but mine is working almost good on f103,, just messy
2012-08-24T17:56:22 < BrainDamage> Erlkoenig: it's a lib that abstracts periferials access for cortex m3
2012-08-24T17:56:31 < dongs> cuz its ugly fsusb lib shit from st
2012-08-24T17:56:58 < dongs> butt it works..
2012-08-24T17:57:10 < karlp> stdperipfh lib for people who don't like CAPS_EVERYWHERE_ALL_THE_TIME
2012-08-24T17:57:20 < Erlkoenig> BrainDamage: just like the CMSIS or the Std pheriphals library?
2012-08-24T17:57:43 < karlp> Erlkoenig: exactly, but licensed lgpl, not the various mix of things in cmsis and std periph lib
2012-08-24T17:58:11 < Erlkoenig> does the license of the cmsis hinder you from doing anything?
2012-08-24T17:59:20 < dongs> how the fuck can you license a bunch of headers
2012-08-24T18:00:15 < Erlkoenig> apparantly you can license round corners...
2012-08-24T18:00:50 < Erlkoenig> i need a "license text" -> "english text" converter
2012-08-24T18:01:48 < BrainDamage> we all do
2012-08-24T18:01:50 < karlp> some people allege that the licenses in some parts of std periph lib don't allow writing a gpl
2012-08-24T18:02:14 < karlp> writing a gpl app sorry
2012-08-24T18:03:02 < Erlkoenig> the cmsis license seems to allow pretty much anything as long as you state that you used it...
2012-08-24T18:03:18 < zyp> I'll probably go with the bsd license or something when I bother putting a license on my stuff
2012-08-24T18:03:26 < Erlkoenig> gpl is evil after all :>
2012-08-24T18:03:40 < Laurenceb> gpl is ironic
2012-08-24T18:04:38 <+Steffann> So is Laurenceb
2012-08-24T18:04:50 < Laurenceb> im no hipster
2012-08-24T18:05:16 < Erlkoenig> couldn't one just publish programs and/or source code with no license at all?
2012-08-24T18:05:41 < Laurenceb> i prefer the beerware license
2012-08-24T18:05:45 < zyp> copyright laws says you have copyright by default
2012-08-24T18:06:13 < Erlkoenig> that means nobody can claim "i made it"... which doesnt bother me too much :D
2012-08-24T18:06:18 < Erlkoenig> right?
2012-08-24T18:06:37 < zyp> and that it can't be reproduced without your consent
2012-08-24T18:06:46 < Erlkoenig> oh meh
2012-08-24T18:07:31 < zyp> and then there is different laws in different jurisdictions
2012-08-24T18:08:23 < zyp> licenses were made to handle stuff like that in a standardized manner
2012-08-24T18:08:51 < Erlkoenig> hum+
2012-08-24T18:08:53 < Erlkoenig> -+
2012-08-24T18:09:18 < Erlkoenig> what open source license allows for commercial use of my app/lib, as long as nobody claims he made it?
2012-08-24T18:09:31 < karlp> BSD/MIT/X11/Apache
2012-08-24T18:09:34 < Erlkoenig> and doesn't force anybody to opensource something that uses my thingy
2012-08-24T18:09:37 < zyp> yeah
2012-08-24T18:09:52 < zyp> that's pretty much what BSD says
2012-08-24T18:09:53 < Erlkoenig> oh thanks
2012-08-24T18:10:11 < zyp> «I made this, do whatever the fuck you want as long as you retain this note»
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2012-08-24T18:12:07 <+Steffann> I prefer http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
2012-08-24T18:12:57 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-24T18:13:37 < dongs> ya
2012-08-24T18:13:42 < dongs> sam is ex-gnaa
2012-08-24T18:13:52 <+Steffann> Who's sam?
2012-08-24T18:13:53 < Erlkoenig> why are parts of such licenses in capslocks? does that make them stronger?
2012-08-24T18:13:59 < dongs> <+Steffann> I prefer http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
2012-08-24T18:14:02 < dongs> ^ sam hocevar
2012-08-24T18:14:07 <+Steffann> oh, that sam
2012-08-24T18:14:28 < Laurenceb> gnaa?
2012-08-24T18:14:32 <+Steffann> More ex-gnaws we have to know about dongs ?
2012-08-24T18:14:36 <+Steffann> *gnaas
2012-08-24T18:14:45 < Laurenceb> wtf
2012-08-24T18:14:51 < Laurenceb> what is that?
2012-08-24T18:14:56 <+Steffann> google it
2012-08-24T18:15:13 < Laurenceb> Great North Air Ambulance Service is a charity serving Cumbria, the North-East and North Yorkshire 365 days a year
2012-08-24T18:15:20 <+Steffann> No not that one
2012-08-24T18:15:24 < Laurenceb> i knew it
2012-08-24T18:15:24 <+Steffann> it's the nigger related one
2012-08-24T18:15:52 <+Steffann> You do know 'that' page, don't you?
2012-08-24T18:16:11 < Laurenceb> University of Ghana Branch of the Ghana National Association of Adventist Students.
2012-08-24T18:16:20 < Laurenceb> 403 error
2012-08-24T18:16:29 <+Steffann> That page that makes your pc do all kind of funky stuff.. dongs probably watches that page every day
2012-08-24T18:17:14 < Laurenceb> oh wiat
2012-08-24T18:17:27 < Laurenceb> i think i might know what you mean
2012-08-24T18:17:40 < Laurenceb> does it involve bumseks?
2012-08-24T18:17:47 < dongs> your favorite pastime
2012-08-24T18:17:59 <+Steffann> Google doesn't know about it, so i can't link you
2012-08-24T18:18:09 <+Steffann> And i do find it it's probably not allowed on free node :P
2012-08-24T18:18:14 <+Steffann> *if i
2012-08-24T18:18:32 < Laurenceb> i think even linux and firefox falls victim to it
2012-08-24T18:18:35 < Laurenceb> iirc
2012-08-24T18:18:38 <+Steffann> mansfeld, Yes
2012-08-24T18:18:40 <+Steffann> ARhh
2012-08-24T18:18:58 <+Steffann> autocorrection ..
2012-08-24T18:20:31 < Laurenceb> ...
2012-08-24T18:20:36 < Laurenceb> woosh
2012-08-24T18:20:52 < Laurenceb> im not getting this at all
2012-08-24T18:20:55 <+Steffann> What?
2012-08-24T18:21:25 < zyp> Laurenceb grew up in a sheltered environment without computers
2012-08-24T18:21:37 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-24T18:21:43 < Laurenceb> how did you work that one out
2012-08-24T18:21:47 < zyp> only possible explanation
2012-08-24T18:21:50 <+Steffann> One of the better places to grow up? for sure zyp
2012-08-24T18:21:54 < Laurenceb> but yes ive only been online since about 2000
2012-08-24T18:21:57 <+Steffann> The internet generation is no good
2012-08-24T18:22:56 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America
2012-08-24T18:22:59 <+Steffann> According to wikipedia gnaa is from 2002
2012-08-24T18:23:33 < Laurenceb> oh
2012-08-24T18:24:26 < grummund> Hi, saw this posted elsewhere, might be of interest to ppl here...
2012-08-24T18:24:29 < grummund> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cortex-m3-stm32f103zet6-stm32-development-boards-open103z-package-b-149379
2012-08-24T18:24:38 < Laurenceb> haha
2012-08-24T18:24:44 < Laurenceb> it is what i thought it was
2012-08-24T18:24:45 < BrainDamage> what's really interesting is if you ctrl-f for timecop on the wikipedia page, you get this:
2012-08-24T18:24:49 < BrainDamage> Translation:  weev, one of the members of the group, has been quoted by Gawker Media,  which broke the news as exclusive. He, like other members, is part of  the GNAA, the Gay Nigger Association of America. These are people who  spend much of their time online trolling and carrying out practical  jokes. One of the principal members of the GNAA is a developer of Linux  Debian. The ex-president of the GNAA, timecop, is known on the internet  for being par
2012-08-24T18:24:51 < Laurenceb> ive been hit be Last Measure before
2012-08-24T18:25:10 < Laurenceb> oh my god
2012-08-24T18:25:16 < Laurenceb> OH MY GOD
2012-08-24T18:25:20 < Laurenceb> OH MY GOD
2012-08-24T18:25:38 < dongs> grummund: thats waveshare stuff. you can buy direct from them for less.
2012-08-24T18:25:41 < zyp> http://www.wvshare.com/product/Open103Z-Package-B.htm
2012-08-24T18:25:44 < dongs> and it arrives quickly, instead of 3 months later
2012-08-24T18:25:44 < dongs> yeah
2012-08-24T18:25:52 < Laurenceb> suddenly it all makes sense
2012-08-24T18:25:55 < BrainDamage> yes, waveshare also has an ebay store
2012-08-24T18:26:12 < dongs> duno i just chat them up , plus  ytou can order directly from their webshite
2012-08-24T18:26:29 < grummund> zyp: oh, thanks... looks nice, was just passing the link on though.
2012-08-24T18:26:38 <+Steffann> Laurenceb woke up?
2012-08-24T18:26:44 < Laurenceb> dongs: you were responsible for Last Measure?
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2012-08-24T18:26:56 < dongs> .. yeah
2012-08-24T18:27:09 < dongs> I even hosted it at some point
2012-08-24T18:27:18 < dongs> w/ a script that stole peoples clipboard when they hit it
2012-08-24T18:27:24 < dongs> and logged it somewehre publically
2012-08-24T18:27:26 < dongs> for us to lol at
2012-08-24T18:27:45 < Laurenceb> oh dear
2012-08-24T18:27:48 < Laurenceb> "These are people who spend much of their time online trolling and carrying out practical jokes"
2012-08-24T18:27:54 < Laurenceb> it all makes sense
2012-08-24T18:28:47 < dongs> Laurenceb: youre acting like you were just born yesterday
2012-08-24T18:29:45 <+Steffann> I still wonder if you are really proud of your history, dongs
2012-08-24T18:29:57 <+Steffann> Especially your GNAA-history
2012-08-24T18:30:16 < dongs> GNAA was awesome when I was running it.
2012-08-24T18:30:24 < BrainDamage> grummund: check the board that acts as expansion for the discovery
2012-08-24T18:30:25 < dongs> then weev showed up.
2012-08-24T18:30:32 < BrainDamage> I think it's the one that makes the most sense
2012-08-24T18:30:52 < dongs> when i talk shit about jews, im joking.
2012-08-24T18:30:54 < dongs> that guy was serious.
2012-08-24T18:35:50 < Laurenceb> cuz you are a jew
2012-08-24T18:36:18 < Laurenceb> but anywayz, everyone on here is probably on CIA watchlist now
2012-08-24T18:36:57  * Laurenceb wonders what happens when tsa meet dongs
2012-08-24T18:37:09 < dongs> haha
2012-08-24T18:37:52 < Laurenceb> well actually im thinking of going to us
2012-08-24T18:37:55 < zyp> likely nothing, you should stop exaggregating everything.
2012-08-24T18:38:14 < Laurenceb> wondering if they search police database in uk
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2012-08-24T18:42:12 < Laurenceb> wonder if i should troll rcgroups with real identity
2012-08-24T18:42:23 < dongs> like what
2012-08-24T18:45:00 < Laurenceb> linx to wikipedia
2012-08-24T18:45:23 < dongs> dude everyone but you knows im gnaa
2012-08-24T18:45:28 < dongs> stop pretending you didnt
2012-08-24T18:47:52 < zyp> and really, how does it matter?
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2012-08-24T18:50:32 < dongs> http://www.st.com/internet/analog/product/251601.jsp
2012-08-24T18:54:23 < Laurenceb> http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2012/08/23/akihabara_decline_and_fall/
2012-08-24T18:54:34 < dongs> fall?
2012-08-24T18:54:38 < dongs> its been DEAD for at least a decade
2012-08-24T18:54:52 < Laurenceb> from comments "Various maid cafe/bars/etc are of different styles and qualities, from MaiDreaming (very much made for the tourist) with their hyper genki maids, 1000yen chiki, and sweet drinks and deserts. To LittlePSX with the more stern maids and a slightly dingy feeling reminiscent of an old school dive, play darts, eat pizza, drink a few beers (until 5am), LittleBSD with its tsundere maids force feeding you. Both these locations you ge
2012-08-24T18:54:52 < Laurenceb> t a chiki if you fill up a point card. The Imouto Cafe where the girls pretend to be your little siste"
2012-08-24T18:55:06 < Laurenceb> that guy knows __way__ too much
2012-08-24T18:56:11 < zyp> heh, I remember visiting a bunch of those maid cafes the first time I were in japan :p
2012-08-24T18:56:35 < Laurenceb> "The places there with mirror floors and no underware for example "
2012-08-24T18:56:37 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-24T18:56:54 < zyp> didn't find any of those
2012-08-24T18:57:33 < dongs> Laurenceb is buying a ticket to japan right this moment it seems
2012-08-24T18:57:42 < Laurenceb> teehee
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2012-08-24T19:06:59 < zyp> I'm probably going to japan next summer too
2012-08-24T19:07:11 < zyp> unless I get other plans
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2012-08-24T19:10:56 < dongs> ya that place has been dead for years
2012-08-24T19:11:06 < dongs> i mean who the fuck wants through hole 1/4W resistors in 2012?
2012-08-24T19:11:25 < zyp> hmm
2012-08-24T19:11:27 < dongs> i cant believe i couldnt even buy 0805 resistors there
2012-08-24T19:11:33 < dongs> not a single place selling SMD shit
2012-08-24T19:11:44 < dongs> never mind 0603  or whatever
2012-08-24T19:11:47 < zyp> reminds me that I forgot to go back and snap pics of the smt reels I saw
2012-08-24T19:13:35 < dongs> sure sure
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2012-08-24T19:33:41 < cjbaird> NARUTO AND BLEACH
2012-08-24T19:34:22 < Laurenceb> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3070111&cid=41109805
2012-08-24T19:34:41 <+Steffann> Yes cjbaird, we know you like it
2012-08-24T19:35:37 <+Steffann> And Laurenceb likes wasting time on slashdot
2012-08-24T19:35:58 < cjbaird> I've spent the evening trying to pump the uart camera for as much throughput as possible with its packet protocol; things are currently at about 82% of full wire speed..
2012-08-24T19:36:00 <+Steffann> IRC .. social business, you learn so much about people :P
2012-08-24T19:39:04 < cjbaird> Going with larger packets (up to at least 2kB) means less overhead of course, but with random-sized files to download you can end up with a lot of wasted space/time on the last packet.. 512 seems to be the optimal. What a nice little CompSci undergrad prac lab this would make..
2012-08-24T19:43:03 < Erlkoenig> cjbaird: can't you plug the camera to the STM32's camera interface?
2012-08-24T19:43:44 < zyp> DCMI is a parallel interface, doesn't help much for serial cameras
2012-08-24T19:43:50 < cjbaird> that
2012-08-24T19:44:08 < cjbaird> one of these: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10061
2012-08-24T19:44:12 < Erlkoenig> well then remove the parallel->serial converter ;)
2012-08-24T19:45:06  * Laurenceb reads grant proposals
2012-08-24T19:45:28 < Laurenceb> paediatric continuous early warning (PaedCEW) monitoring system
2012-08-24T19:45:35 < Laurenceb> lolling
2012-08-24T19:46:29 < cjbaird> L: a MEMS implanted in their heads. Detect when they fall over dead.
2012-08-24T19:46:35 <+Steffann> What framerate you get cjbaird ?
2012-08-24T19:46:45 < Thorn> btw, someone in ukraine was arrested for buying a keychain camera from dealextreme
2012-08-24T19:46:50 < Erlkoenig> http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/NTA4OTE0OTk-/Haustechnik/Sicherheitstechnik/Kameras/Farbkamera_Modul_SAMSUNG_AU_85B.html   i'm planning to connect this to the DCMI...
2012-08-24T19:47:04 < Laurenceb> Thorn: wtf
2012-08-24T19:47:07 < Erlkoenig> look at the price ;)
2012-08-24T19:47:08 < Laurenceb> "Two important recent reports, 'Why Children DieÂ’ (Confidential Enquiry into Maternal and
2012-08-24T19:47:08 < Laurenceb> Child Health)(1) and ‘Are we there yet?’
2012-08-24T19:47:08 < Laurenceb> "
2012-08-24T19:47:11 < Laurenceb> loll
2012-08-24T19:47:17 < cjbaird> Steffann: with this serial camera, with its 1980s-era packet protocol? 1/20Hz
2012-08-24T19:47:25 < Thorn> surveillance equipment is illegal you see
2012-08-24T19:47:34 <+Steffann> 1/20Hz .. lol
2012-08-24T19:47:47 < BrainDamage> Thorn: only if you use it concealed
2012-08-24T19:47:58 < BrainDamage> those keychain cameras are actually great for hobby projects
2012-08-24T19:48:11 < BrainDamage> if I'd do an high altitude balloon I'd stick one in the payload
2012-08-24T19:48:26 < BrainDamage> cheap, reasonably autonomous, and who cares if it gets lost
2012-08-24T19:48:35 < Thorn> not only use, but possession and acquisition too
2012-08-24T19:48:46 < cjbaird> I had a waterproof one that I used to take snorkling..
2012-08-24T19:48:56 < BrainDamage> snorting?
2012-08-24T19:50:17 <+Steffann> Braindamge
2012-08-24T19:50:20 <+Steffann> *damage
2012-08-24T19:52:47 < emeb> Erlkoenig: "no other technical data available" - how you going to hook it up?
2012-08-24T19:53:53 < Erlkoenig> emeb: there *is* data, you just have to know where :D ... http://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/234687 ... see the attached files, also apparantly someone in that thread managed to get the data from the camera via DCMI
2012-08-24T19:53:59 < cjbaird> D'uh. 'Why don't I just make the last packet smaller?'
2012-08-24T19:54:45 < emeb> Erlkoenig: nice!
2012-08-24T19:55:14 < Erlkoenig> indeed ;) ... i'm just wondering how i will solder it *g*
2012-08-24T19:55:27 < emeb> hotplate reflow!
2012-08-24T19:55:36 < emeb> Just don't melt the plastic.
2012-08-24T19:55:47 < Erlkoenig> yeay... i can barely handle a soldering iron... :D :D
2012-08-24T19:56:00 < BrainDamage> hot plate is easier than manual soldering
2012-08-24T19:56:04 < emeb> Learn. It's not hard.
2012-08-24T19:56:23 < BrainDamage> only requires you to align parts, but that's done when it's cold
2012-08-24T19:56:28 < BrainDamage> and you got all the time you want
2012-08-24T19:56:51 < Erlkoenig> well i will see... have to get a few other things done before i'll start that ;)
2012-08-24T19:57:34 <+Steffann> "Artikel leider ausverkauft." .. too bad Erlkoenig
2012-08-24T19:57:52 < Erlkoenig> oh noes :o
2012-08-24T19:57:56 < Erlkoenig> luckily i bought 3 pieces :D
2012-08-24T19:58:00 <+Steffann> Ah
2012-08-24T19:59:37 < Erlkoenig> maybe they get new shipments later... that shop must have the weirdest sources...
2012-08-24T20:02:56 <+Steffann> Nice .. it does jpeg compression
2012-08-24T20:05:16 < Erlkoenig> yup... maybe one could fit very low-res uncompressed images into the stm32f4 - SRAM and try to recognize structures
2012-08-24T20:05:56 <+Steffann> Or hook up some sram ( too bad it doesn't do sdram )
2012-08-24T20:06:33 < dongs> Auflösung 1608x1208 more like afroslung
2012-08-24T20:06:45 < Erlkoenig> auflösung = resolution ;)
2012-08-24T20:07:18 < Erlkoenig> Steffann: mooore solder-fun ;) ... are there any mikrocontrollers with SDRAM interfaces?
2012-08-24T20:07:36 <+Steffann> lpc4[something] if they're available yet
2012-08-24T20:07:47 <+Steffann> And the big ass ARMs ofcourse
2012-08-24T20:07:48 < Erlkoenig> except from those huge PC-Grade Monsters
2012-08-24T20:08:01 <+Steffann> That lpc is m4 too
2012-08-24T20:08:23  * Laurenceb is reading patents
2012-08-24T20:08:27 < Laurenceb> ". The microprocessor may comprise a microcontroller module, e.g., part number BS2E-IC available from Parallax, Inc. of Rocklin, California"
2012-08-24T20:08:47 < zyp> ok
2012-08-24T20:08:57 <+Steffann> Thanks for the info Laurenceb
2012-08-24T20:09:20 < Laurenceb> you know what that is>
2012-08-24T20:09:27 < Laurenceb> basic stamp :P
2012-08-24T20:12:37 < Erlkoenig> Basic :o
2012-08-24T20:13:12 < karlp> anyone here used m-bus/meter-bus before?
2012-08-24T20:13:23 < karlp> particularly as far as being a slave goes?
2012-08-24T20:13:23 < Erlkoenig> what's patent-worthy about "basic on mikrocontroller" Oo
2012-08-24T20:13:35 < dongs> parallax is trolling
2012-08-24T20:13:44 < dongs> cuz every product they have made to date has been a failure
2012-08-24T20:14:09 < karlp> Seems TI makes the slave transceiver, but not much in the way of slave libraries, can't find any master transceiver, but libmbus looks decent for the software.
2012-08-24T20:14:16 < karlp> seems a little inside out
2012-08-24T20:14:42 < Erlkoenig> also, a simple arduino seems much more powerful - and less expensive
2012-08-24T20:15:21 < zyp> basic stamp existed long before arduino came along
2012-08-24T20:15:21 < dongs> and just as retarded
2012-08-24T20:26:25 < Erlkoenig> also funny is the siemens logo...
2012-08-24T20:27:23 < Laurenceb> score
2012-08-24T20:27:24 < Erlkoenig> the only argument for them are the integrated relays...
2012-08-24T20:27:33  * Laurenceb has full time job making crappy sensors
2012-08-24T20:27:39 < Laurenceb>  £180K/year
2012-08-24T20:27:49 < Erlkoenig> sounds nice? :D
2012-08-24T20:27:55 < Laurenceb> pwned
2012-08-24T20:27:55 < dongs> Laurenceb: beep
2012-08-24T20:28:02 < dongs> 00:50 < dongs> http://www.st.com/internet/analog/product/251601.jsp
2012-08-24T20:28:03 < dongs> Laurenceb: ^
2012-08-24T20:28:31 < Laurenceb> 24bit nice
2012-08-24T20:28:43 <+Steffann> Laurenceb, and his bit-fetish
2012-08-24T20:28:48 < dongs> the price is like 4bucks
2012-08-24T20:28:55 < dongs> which is also neat
2012-08-24T20:29:03 <+Steffann> Not 4kbucks?
2012-08-24T20:29:10 < dongs> 4 dongs
2012-08-24T20:29:12 < Laurenceb> these guys are idiots
2012-08-24T20:29:19 < Laurenceb> paying me to make crappy shit
2012-08-24T20:29:30 < Laurenceb> ah well i dont care
2012-08-24T20:29:34 < Laurenceb> more time to troll irc
2012-08-24T20:29:40 < dongs> indeed
2012-08-24T20:29:57 <+Steffann> Crap because you can't do it, or is the idea crap Laurenceb ?
2012-08-24T20:30:14 < dongs> clearly the former
2012-08-24T20:30:22 < dongs> show one complete project by Laurenceb
2012-08-24T20:30:27 < dongs> that isnt a hot air baloon sinking in the ocean
2012-08-24T20:30:41 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/sruvi.jpg
2012-08-24T20:30:43 <+Steffann> Find one complete project by me .. :P
2012-08-24T20:30:45 < Laurenceb> this afternoons work
2012-08-24T20:30:58 < dongs> looks like a dong
2012-08-24T20:31:04 < dongs> anal probe
2012-08-24T20:31:11 <+Steffann> dong-o-meter
2012-08-24T20:31:27 < Laurenceb> its a stick on probe
2012-08-24T20:32:06 <+Steffann> You mean strap-on probe ?
2012-08-24T20:32:22 < Laurenceb> oh shit
2012-08-24T20:32:32 < Laurenceb> i have to work part time in guildford
2012-08-24T20:32:36 < Laurenceb> that place sucks
2012-08-24T20:32:40 <+Steffann> Hmm, dongs has a bad influence on me, I'll try to behave
2012-08-24T20:32:47 < jpa-> Laurenceb: sucks your probe?
2012-08-24T20:32:49 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-24T20:32:58 < Laurenceb> its boring as shit
2012-08-24T20:33:14 < Laurenceb> and full of souveners
2012-08-24T20:33:15 < dongs> you should go to basingstoke to visit the tom66 failure
2012-08-24T20:33:20 < Laurenceb> indeed
2012-08-24T20:33:30 < BrainDamage> relevant to the discussion:
2012-08-24T20:33:37 <+Steffann>  
2012-08-24T20:33:47 < Laurenceb>  
2012-08-24T20:33:50 < dongs>  
2012-08-24T20:33:55 < BrainDamage> 17:00:37) Laurenceb: liveblogging (17:00:53) Laurenceb: sensor is now glued to my hand (17:00:57) Laurenceb: seems to be working (17:01:58) Laurenceb: - pressure applied and released (17:02:17) Laurenceb: from 15 to 19 seconds (17:05:30) Laurenceb: problem: how to remove sensor
2012-08-24T20:33:55 < BrainDamage> (17:06:02) Randomskk: possibly maybe this problem could have been anticipated moments before you glued the sensor to your hand
2012-08-24T20:33:55 < BrainDamage> (17:06:11) Laurenceb: indeed (17:08:51) Laurenceb: it peels off but takes top layer of skin with it (17:09:05) Laurenceb: shhhh heath and safety never heard that
2012-08-24T20:34:08 < Laurenceb> lmao
2012-08-24T20:34:12 < dongs> hahaha
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2012-08-24T20:35:14 <+Steffann> Only Laurenceb can do something like that
2012-08-24T20:35:46 <+Steffann> And perhaps my 5-years old brother
2012-08-24T20:35:53 <+Steffann> ( which i don't have, so ? )
2012-08-24T20:37:06 < dongs> Full HD 1080p zero delay video transmission (optional) is offered to companies willing to have sports events live broadcasted with a video-feed in excellent quality.
2012-08-24T20:37:10 < dongs> haha
2012-08-24T20:37:11 < dongs> what a re these guys smoking
2012-08-24T20:37:27 < dongs> 1 barometric pressure sensor, 13 IC current sensors, 3 accelerometers roll- pitch- yaw(X,Y,Z), 3 gyros, 3 MAG (magnetometors), 8 thermometers, 1 gps module, optical out sensor for video, flight controller, AHPS (altitude hold and positioning system)
2012-08-24T20:37:33 < dongs> o shieeet
2012-08-24T20:37:38 < Laurenceb> huh
2012-08-24T20:37:59 < BrainDamage> I can understand the current sensors
2012-08-24T20:38:05 < BrainDamage> but 8 thermometers?
2012-08-24T20:38:14 < BrainDamage> 1 for each motor?
2012-08-24T20:43:21 < Thorn> http://handazukecafe.com/
2012-08-24T20:43:55 < dongs> ..  yeah?
2012-08-24T20:44:02 < dongs> its almost 3am in japscat.
2012-08-24T20:44:07 < dongs> what the fuck do you expect to see?
2012-08-24T20:48:37 < Laurenceb> well im going to get a life
2012-08-24T20:48:40 < Laurenceb> cya laters
2012-08-24T20:48:45 < dongs> i think im gonna leep
2012-08-24T20:48:46 < dongs> sleep
2012-08-24T20:48:47 < dongs> 3am
2012-08-24T20:48:48 <+Steffann> Have fun
2012-08-24T20:48:50 <+Steffann> both
2012-08-24T20:48:51 < dongs> gota drive like 200km tmrorow
2012-08-24T20:48:54 < dongs> funtimes.
2012-08-24T20:49:09 < Laurenceb> too much internet gives me a headache
2012-08-24T20:49:10 <+Steffann> Don't that have fancy trains in jappyland?
2012-08-24T20:49:18 <+Steffann> Too much screen you mean Laurenceb ?
2012-08-24T20:49:25 < dongs> well, the fags ARE taking a train
2012-08-24T20:49:35 < dongs> but I gotta drive the car to where they're getting off to continue
2012-08-24T20:49:43 < dongs> laem
2012-08-24T20:49:44 < dongs> k bbl
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2012-08-24T21:43:06 < Thorn> >Using the Agilent 90000 series 13GHz oscilloscope and 12GHz differential probe
2012-08-24T21:43:10 < Thorn> http://www.hotlikesauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/10.13.09-They-See-Me-Rollin-They-Hatin.jpg
2012-08-24T21:43:52 < Erlkoenig> :o :o :o
2012-08-24T21:44:11 < Erlkoenig> you surely have no life.
2012-08-24T21:44:21 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8DPlqWVmzk
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2012-08-24T21:48:18 <+Steffanx> EEV .. i'll pass Thorn
2012-08-24T21:50:03 < Erlkoenig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOurdJomEoc   hmm what kind of sports car could one buy for that :D
2012-08-24T21:51:28 <+Steffanx> What a box for a scope
2012-08-24T21:52:04 < Erlkoenig> would be a pity if the delivery guy drove across a little stone and the vibrations killed the scope...
2012-08-24T21:52:14 <+Steffanx> No HDMI?!
2012-08-24T21:52:54 < Erlkoenig> who cares. 13GHz. :D
2012-08-24T21:53:18 < Thorn> who needs a sports car?
2012-08-24T21:53:43 <+Steffanx> Who needs 13GHz scope?
2012-08-24T21:53:57 < Erlkoenig> get sports car - get b*tches
2012-08-24T21:54:03 < Erlkoenig> get scope - be forever alone
2012-08-24T21:54:10 <+Steffanx> It even runs windows ...
2012-08-24T21:54:17 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: 10Gbit ethernet developers
2012-08-24T21:54:38 < BrainDamage> all the high end scopes actually run win or an "high level" os
2012-08-24T21:54:51 < BrainDamage> with all the benefits and downsides
2012-08-24T21:55:02 < BrainDamage> you can have your fancy scope to bluescreen ...
2012-08-24T21:55:17 < BrainDamage> I think one of my classmates has a pic of a lab one bluescreened
2012-08-24T21:55:36 < Erlkoenig> ha great :D
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2012-08-24T22:01:39 < Thorn> wat, only 40Gsamples?
2012-08-24T22:02:17 < emeb> dime a dozen - who doesn't have a couple of those out in the garage?
2012-08-24T22:04:45 < Erlkoenig> i want to build my own, how do i do that? where can i find the appropriate ADC and hook it up to my STM32F4? hopefully it wouldn't cost more that $50.
2012-08-24T22:05:34 < jpa-> your own 13GHz scope or just a scope? :)
2012-08-24T22:06:22 < Erlkoenig> 13GHz of course.
2012-08-24T22:07:22 < emeb> I heard you could buy them cheap on eBay.
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2012-08-24T22:09:42 < Thorn> you'll need a 40GHz scope to debug it
2012-08-24T22:09:49 < jpa-> interlace some 20 of these: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADC083000CIYB%2FNOPB/ADC083000CIYB-ND/1628673
2012-08-24T22:12:37 < Erlkoenig> are these also available in DIP to put on by breadboard?
2012-08-24T22:13:08 < Thorn> ARDOEENO SHILED
2012-08-24T22:13:40 <+Steffanx> You need a laurduino
2012-08-24T22:14:25 < Erlkoenig> oh great, i find their IDE more easy to use.
2012-08-24T22:14:47 <+Steffanx> but nothing beats visual studio
2012-08-24T22:15:01 < karlp> yech
2012-08-24T22:15:33 < Erlkoenig> thats too expensive, and doesn't support AVR's.
2012-08-24T22:15:46 < emeb> anyone else smell trolls?
2012-08-24T22:15:57 < karlp> Erlkoenig: actually, it does support avrs :)
2012-08-24T22:16:08 < karlp> avr studio 5+ is visual studio :)
2012-08-24T22:16:13 < Thorn> it does, with that arm emulator for avr
2012-08-24T22:16:26 < Erlkoenig> karlp: ah, but not without the help of atmel ;-)
2012-08-24T22:16:51 < Erlkoenig> well some people claim that avr studio got less usable when they started using visual studio...
2012-08-24T22:18:45 <+Steffanx> emeb, i was almost serious ? i like VS
2012-08-24T22:19:09 < jpa-> pic mplab became unusable when they started using netbeans
2012-08-24T22:19:33 <+Steffanx> The most recent version?
2012-08-24T22:19:35 < jpa-> for example, it doesn't automatically indent new lines in assembler code
2012-08-24T22:19:37 < emeb> Steffanx: nothing wrong with that.
2012-08-24T22:20:22 <+Steffanx> Ballbot finished yet jpa- ? ):
2012-08-24T22:20:25 <+Steffanx> *:)
2012-08-24T22:20:37 < karlp> jpa-: that's sad, I quite like netbeans,
2012-08-24T22:20:51 < karlp> but I've never written assembly in it..
2012-08-24T22:21:07  * emeb still hasn't gotten used to Eclipse.
2012-08-24T22:21:13 < jpa-> Steffanx: no.. i added a speed sensor last week but then i started refactoring..
2012-08-24T22:21:30 <+Steffanx> Refactoring .. a source of delays :)
2012-08-24T22:30:41 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USUPnUWXT4U 63GHz
2012-08-24T22:31:42 <+Steffanx> 250k $?
2012-08-24T22:31:56 <+Steffanx> or 500k?
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2012-08-24T22:32:16 < Thorn> $430,000
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2012-08-24T22:40:22 < Laurenceb_> sup
2012-08-24T22:41:25 < karlp> just blogging
2012-08-24T22:41:44 <+Steffanx> Where are you Laurenceb_ ?
2012-08-24T22:41:58 < Laurenceb_> hell
2012-08-24T22:42:15 <+Steffanx> Then i can't answer your question
2012-08-24T22:42:38 < feurig_> :)
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2012-08-24T22:55:30 <+izua> is the wifi any good down there?
2012-08-24T22:57:02 < BrainDamage> from ##electronics, now you can grep in real life too http://www.cmarket.cz/fotky7897/fotos/gen320/gen__vyr_188Grep-out-tob.20.jpg
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2012-08-25T00:18:40 < Laurenceb_> DMA can be set to any peripheral register, and the signal can come from any peripheral?
2012-08-25T00:18:58 < Laurenceb_> so i could have a timer control dma to another timers overflow register?
2012-08-25T00:20:09 < zyp> there is some restrictions on which DMA controllers can access which buses, but yeah, in theory what you are describing is possible
2012-08-25T00:20:24 < Laurenceb_> ok
2012-08-25T00:20:36 < Laurenceb_> im trying to work out a way to do OFDM usinf DMA alone
2012-08-25T00:20:41 < zyp> also, you never stop impressing me by how outrageously silly your ideas are
2012-08-25T00:20:48 < zyp> :p
2012-08-25T00:20:51 < Laurenceb_> heh
2012-08-25T00:21:09 < Laurenceb_> ofdm with pure pwm is impossible
2012-08-25T00:21:19 < Laurenceb_> for n>2 frequencies
2012-08-25T00:21:48 < Laurenceb_> you have to correct the phase slightly as you have orthogonal periods not orthogonal frequencies
2012-08-25T00:22:07 < zyp> your style of working seems like some kind of spaghetti science; just throw every silly idea at the wall and see if anything sticks
2012-08-25T00:22:19 < Laurenceb_> yes
2012-08-25T00:22:39 < zyp> no wonder you're raging so much about stuff that don't work
2012-08-25T00:22:45 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-25T00:23:01 < Laurenceb_> im currentl;y working on a side project to diffuse hydrogen gas through peoples fingers
2012-08-25T00:23:08 < Laurenceb_> to measure blood flow
2012-08-25T00:23:46 < zyp> just don't blow up any fingers :p
2012-08-25T00:25:19 < emeb> literally - like balloons...
2012-08-25T00:25:53 < zyp> I was thinking more about how hydrogen reacts when ignited :p
2012-08-25T00:25:56 < Laurenceb_> using electrodes
2012-08-25T00:26:08 < Laurenceb_> its dissolved in a contact gel
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2012-08-25T00:34:25 < qyx_> hm
2012-08-25T00:34:33 < qyx_> any suitable stm32 for bldc motor control?
2012-08-25T00:34:58 < qyx_> with can & analog compatator
2012-08-25T00:35:45 < qyx_> f0 has ac, but no can, others have can but no ac :S
2012-08-25T00:37:52 < karlp> hmm, in spi master, how can it ever fail to transmit?
2012-08-25T00:37:59 < karlp> shouldn't it just shift in zeros?
2012-08-25T00:38:27 < Laurenceb_> what does timer break input do?
2012-08-25T00:38:35 < karlp> I'm blocking in the spi_xfer waiting for the rx to come in, in libopencm3
2012-08-25T00:39:37 <+Steffanx> F3 qyx_ ?
2012-08-25T00:39:55 <+Steffanx> if its available
2012-08-25T00:40:08 < qyx_> yes, bud it is not :)
2012-08-25T00:40:13 < qyx_> but
2012-08-25T00:40:52 < BrainDamage> qyx_: http://open-bldc.org/
2012-08-25T00:47:06 < qyx_> hm, they use discrete opamps
2012-08-25T00:47:13 < qyx_> comparators
2012-08-25T00:48:19 < qyx_> or not
2012-08-25T00:53:48 < Laurenceb_> what does timer break input do?
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2012-08-25T01:08:41 < qyx_> i do not understand their zero crossing detection design
2012-08-25T01:09:19 < qyx_> i think it violates maximum absolute ratings on mcp6004, vin+ goes below vss-1V
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2012-08-25T01:33:00 < karlp> god I hate the NSS shit with spi
2012-08-25T01:33:04 < karlp> who thought up that mess
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2012-08-25T01:34:41 < Laurenceb_> aha ive worked it out
2012-08-25T01:34:54 < Laurenceb_> i gang a timer off my "central" pwm timer
2012-08-25T01:35:03 < Laurenceb_> ie the one with the "DC" frequency
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2012-08-25T01:35:24 < Laurenceb_> then use the internal trigger output off that ganged timer to reset the other timers
2012-08-25T01:36:18 < Laurenceb_> so in my case i set the ganged timer to overflow on 192, then on overflow it resets the other timers
2012-08-25T01:36:50 < Laurenceb_> as there are 192 periods of the central frequency per integration bin
2012-08-25T01:37:55 < Laurenceb_> no cpu resources involved
2012-08-25T01:40:36 < Laurenceb_> with DMA and some output filtering you could actually generate RF OFDM with this
2012-08-25T01:42:28 < zyp> ok, tell me when you have it working
2012-08-25T01:42:54 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-25T01:43:07 < Laurenceb_> it works atm with interrupt to reset the timers
2012-08-25T01:43:26 < Laurenceb_> *to adjust the reload buffer registers
2012-08-25T01:43:39 < zyp> I mean, tell me when you are actually generating valid RF data that way
2012-08-25T01:43:58 < Laurenceb_> oh
2012-08-25T01:44:48 < Laurenceb_> wonder if you could directly output HF on an F4
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2012-08-25T01:47:20 < Laurenceb_> stm32 timers have a crazy number of features
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2012-08-25T02:17:41 < emeb> Laurenceb_: you mean from the DACs?
2012-08-25T02:18:17 < emeb> I doubt that - the buffer amps in the DACs are slew-rate limited to somewhat less than 500kHz.
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2012-08-25T02:30:49 < Laurenceb_> no the pwm
2012-08-25T02:31:26 < emeb> Hmm - so how fast do you have to run PWM to get good SNR at 30MHz (HF top of range)?
2012-08-25T02:33:21 < Laurenceb_> i dont know
2012-08-25T02:33:26 < Laurenceb_> probably not practical
2012-08-25T02:33:40 < Laurenceb_> also i only have 4 timers on stm32f103cbt6
2012-08-25T02:33:46 < Laurenceb_> so this wont work :(
2012-08-25T02:38:01 < karlp> where are my interrupts :|
2012-08-25T02:39:01 < emeb> gone, swallowed up by trolls.
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2012-08-25T02:39:34 < Laurenceb_> i need my fill of interruptsd
2012-08-25T02:40:11 < emeb> tasty, tasty interruptses...
2012-08-25T02:40:58 < Laurenceb_> smeagol wantssss
2012-08-25T02:42:36 < karlp> if I manually trigger the pin, it gets the edge, it then reads in some expected packet data,
2012-08-25T02:42:49 < karlp> but it should be getting them all the time
2012-08-25T02:42:53 < karlp> I'll find them somewhere
2012-08-25T02:42:56 < karlp> hiding in the dark
2012-08-25T02:44:02 < emeb> anyone here ever use the SWO pin on the SWD interface - useful for reading the debug port & trace info.
2012-08-25T02:44:35 < emeb> Apparently supported by ST-LINK under Windows via the newer Discovery boards.
2012-08-25T02:46:04 < zyp> it's also supported by the blackmagic probe, but I haven't had time to test it yet
2012-08-25T02:46:07 < zyp> but I have plans to
2012-08-25T02:46:43 < karlp> I've made sure the pin is wired on my boards, but never actually used it :)
2012-08-25T02:46:56 < karlp> haven't even worked out the right code to use that would send data there :)
2012-08-25T02:47:25 < emeb> zyp: Really? I haven't seen that anywhere in the bmp docs.
2012-08-25T02:47:43 < zyp> it's exposed on a seperate endpoint
2012-08-25T02:47:56 < zyp> https://github.com/gsmcmullin/magictpa
2012-08-25T02:48:22 < emeb> zyp: ah. cool.
2012-08-25T02:49:07 < Laurenceb_> F100 has lots of lovely timers but crappy clk speed
2012-08-25T02:49:08 < Laurenceb_> fails
2012-08-25T02:49:22 < emeb> got my bmpm yesterday - now trying to figure out how to interface the tiny 10-pin JTAG/SWD cable to the 4-pin 0.1" header...
2012-08-25T02:49:26 < karlp> overc10ck 1T man!
2012-08-25T02:49:53 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-25T02:49:58 < Laurenceb_> 24MHz wtf
2012-08-25T02:50:03 < Laurenceb_> almost as bad as atmega
2012-08-25T02:50:10 < zyp> emeb, that's what you get for not going with the standard connector :p
2012-08-25T02:50:23 < karlp> Laurenceb_: plenty of speed for atmega replacements :)
2012-08-25T02:50:24 < zyp> Laurenceb_, except it gets more done per cycle
2012-08-25T02:50:31 < karlp> and way way more periphs
2012-08-25T02:50:38 < BrainDamage> and costs same as atmega
2012-08-25T02:50:39 < emeb> zyp: heh - I thought that was standard - it's what they used on the Discovery boards. :P
2012-08-25T02:51:16 < zyp> I like how my bmp turned out after I «modified» it :p
2012-08-25T02:51:22 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/yQGUT.JPG
2012-08-25T02:51:24 < Laurenceb_> what did you do?
2012-08-25T02:52:01 < zyp> remove the 20-pin connector (I have the old one) and solder a 20-pin to mini-10-pin adapter there instead
2012-08-25T02:52:04 < zyp> so now I have both
2012-08-25T02:52:19 < Laurenceb_> ah
2012-08-25T02:53:06 < emeb> what pin does SWO come out on?
2012-08-25T02:53:19 < zyp> JTDO
2012-08-25T02:53:24 < emeb> Nice.
2012-08-25T02:53:59 < emeb> I suppose I could do a custom board with 20-pin 0.1" JTAG + 10-pin mini JTAG + 6-pin SWD.
2012-08-25T02:54:23 < emeb> need to source the mini-10 connectors though - DK says no stock.
2012-08-25T02:54:24 < zyp> if you already have the 20-pin, you could just use that
2012-08-25T02:54:37 < emeb> I've got a bmpm - no 20-pin on it.
2012-08-25T02:54:47 < Laurenceb_> i tried to make one with a maple
2012-08-25T02:54:55 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/9kGPA.JPG <- like I used to do before
2012-08-25T02:55:00 < zyp> just in the opposite direction
2012-08-25T02:55:14 < Laurenceb_> but it failed as i cant get libopencm3 code to start
2012-08-25T02:55:27 < karlp> (I just stuck the same 6 pin header as the discovery boards on mine)
2012-08-25T02:55:58 < emeb> crude but effective. I've done that too on my first STM32 board w/ 20-pin JTAG.
2012-08-25T02:56:08 < karlp> mini10 was sexy, but not cheap, and not floating around the lab already
2012-08-25T02:56:20 < Laurenceb_> oh _thats_ what the unused pins on the F4disvoery are
2012-08-25T02:56:22 < Laurenceb_> gnd
2012-08-25T02:56:32 < emeb> karlp: same here.
2012-08-25T02:57:07 < dongs> sup trolls
2012-08-25T02:57:10 < zyp> Laurenceb_, yeah, it's nice for stuff like that
2012-08-25T02:57:18 < Laurenceb_>  <- slow
2012-08-25T02:57:24 < Laurenceb_> i thought they were to rest it on
2012-08-25T02:57:41 < Laurenceb_> like legs
2012-08-25T02:58:01 < zyp> dual purpose!
2012-08-25T02:58:02 < emeb> so they can short out on other stuff you've got laying on the bench.
2012-08-25T02:58:35 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-25T02:58:38 < emeb> zyp: where'd the little 20->10 JTAG adapter come from?
2012-08-25T02:58:45 < zyp> uh
2012-08-25T02:58:53 < dongs> zyp, nice armjtag to cortex debug board.
2012-08-25T02:58:58 < karlp> zyp: what's that baseboard under your mbed?
2012-08-25T02:59:02 < zyp> dongs, you've said so before
2012-08-25T02:59:05 < dongs> almost as nice as mine
2012-08-25T02:59:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/psOHD.jpg
2012-08-25T02:59:29 < dongs> except i fucked up the cortex header direction :)
2012-08-25T02:59:49 < Laurenceb_> i just stick a 10pin header on there
2012-08-25T02:59:54 < emeb> Just pop the IDC cable out & reroute it.
2012-08-25T02:59:57 < Laurenceb_> s.10/20
2012-08-25T03:00:04 < dongs> i mean, just orientation
2012-08-25T03:00:07 < dongs> electrically its fine
2012-08-25T03:00:17 < dongs> i'd preferred the 10pin idc cable facing out
2012-08-25T03:00:26 < dongs> but its not mission critical or even annoying since i can just bend it like in the pic.
2012-08-25T03:00:36 < zyp> dongs, got any leftovers of those? emeb seems to want one :p
2012-08-25T03:00:53 < dongs> zyp, i cant order one pcb of anything so i always have bags of prototype ones
2012-08-25T03:00:59 < emeb> would be handy.
2012-08-25T03:01:30 < zyp> that's what I figured
2012-08-25T03:02:02 < karlp> zyp: the one with the ethernet, usb A and usb B?
2012-08-25T03:02:24 < emeb> But really all I need is to source the mini-10 connector. Anyone got a vendor? DK seems to be out.
2012-08-25T03:02:42 < emeb> (of the samtec ones)
2012-08-25T03:03:07 < zyp> karlp, http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/mbed-lpc1768-workshop-development-board-p-608.html <- old version of this
2012-08-25T03:04:53 < zyp> emeb, http://www.digikey.no/product-detail/en/20021521-00010T1LF/609-4054-ND/2414951 <- I'm using these
2012-08-25T03:05:00 < zyp> I prefer them shrouded
2012-08-25T03:05:08 < emeb> zyp: ty
2012-08-25T03:05:25 < emeb> was just narrowing the search...
2012-08-25T03:05:30 < dongs> emeb: you mean the header? or idc
2012-08-25T03:05:38 < dongs> S9012E-05-ND is that out?
2012-08-25T03:05:47 < dongs> i see 11k in stock
2012-08-25T03:06:04 < zyp> not a huge price difference
2012-08-25T03:06:10 < emeb> dongs: that's there
2012-08-25T03:06:27 < dongs> shrouded, nice.
2012-08-25T03:06:34 < zyp> and unless you're short on space, get a shrouded one
2012-08-25T03:06:35 < emeb> funny - the unshrouded is more expensive in small qty
2012-08-25T03:06:39 < dongs> yeah
2012-08-25T03:06:40 < dongs> what the fuck
2012-08-25T03:06:50 < dongs> i thought i had the cheapest connectors urls
2012-08-25T03:06:53 < dongs> beaten by zyp, again
2012-08-25T03:07:21 < emeb> Time to place an order and start an adapter design.
2012-08-25T03:07:44 < emeb> add that to my next STM32 board (along with the 6-pin 0.1" header)
2012-08-25T03:08:09 < zyp> dongs, when I got those ESCs from you I put all the antistatic bags into my luggage when I went for christmas vacation, when I arrived I had lots of bent pins
2012-08-25T03:08:41 < zyp> not worse than I got them back into place, but still
2012-08-25T03:08:42 < dongs> heh
2012-08-25T03:08:57 < dongs> right
2012-08-25T03:08:58 < zyp> takes nothing to bend them
2012-08-25T03:09:06 < dongs> btw did you see on newest revision of esc32, theres a spot for can driver
2012-08-25T03:09:12 < dongs> so no more haxing extdra trash
2012-08-25T03:09:16 < zyp> yeah, you mentioned that
2012-08-25T03:09:19 < zyp> sounds nice
2012-08-25T03:10:45 < zyp> I started hooking up an ESC to my F4 board here last weekend, but then I got derailed and continued working on the USB driver instead
2012-08-25T03:11:16 < zyp> removed the transceiver I had deadbugged on, going to try transceiverless instead
2012-08-25T03:12:00 < Laurenceb_> grumble
2012-08-25T03:12:05 < Laurenceb_> not enough timers
2012-08-25T03:12:48 < zyp> dongs, are the newest revision still using the same pins?
2012-08-25T03:13:15 < Laurenceb_> wish they could hook up to system timer
2012-08-25T03:13:30 < dongs> zyp, yes
2012-08-25T03:13:34 < dongs> pinout didnt change
2012-08-25T03:13:42 < zyp> good
2012-08-25T03:13:50 < dongs> except eurofags got a hold of the design files
2012-08-25T03:13:54 < dongs> and now it costs 4x of what it should ahve been
2012-08-25T03:14:10 < zyp> heh
2012-08-25T03:15:05 < emeb> looks like the mating IDC connector: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/20021444-00010T1LF/609-4055-ND/2414952
2012-08-25T03:15:11 < dongs> oh, dont get that
2012-08-25T03:15:13 < zyp> well, worst case I do my own hardware once I have a working firmware
2012-08-25T03:15:18 < dongs> http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=4517
2012-08-25T03:15:32 < dongs> just get assembled cable for mess :)
2012-08-25T03:15:34 < dongs> er, less
2012-08-25T03:15:42 < zyp> agreed, that's what I also did
2012-08-25T03:15:48 < dongs> digikey wants like $10 for that same cable!
2012-08-25T03:15:49 < emeb> Nice - Get a couple and hack 'em in half
2012-08-25T03:15:51 < dongs> i couldnt fucking believe it
2012-08-25T03:16:06 < dongs> no, just put the same 10pin header on both target and jtag adapter
2012-08-25T03:16:09 < dongs> and just use the cable as intended
2012-08-25T03:16:41 < emeb> ideally, yes.
2012-08-25T03:16:57 < emeb> in reality I've got boards with Discovery-style SWD headers.
2012-08-25T03:17:18 < emeb> So hacking up cheap cables is an attractive alternative.
2012-08-25T03:18:06 < emeb> Haven't been on the uCshop for a while - need to browse around and see what other fun stuff they've got.
2012-08-25T03:18:23 < dongs> i picked up a nice vacuum pen there
2012-08-25T03:18:33 < zyp> using the end of a ribbon cable directly rather than through an IDC connector isn't really very attractive
2012-08-25T03:18:35 < dongs> havent had a bridge on hand-placed qfp48's for a while now
2012-08-25T03:18:38 < Laurenceb_> is system timer 24 bit?
2012-08-25T03:18:43 < dongs> sytick? yes
2012-08-25T03:18:54 < dongs> 24niggabits
2012-08-25T03:19:26 < zyp> Laurenceb_, systick timer is internal in the cortex core, that's why it's completely unrelated to the peripheral timers
2012-08-25T03:19:28 < emeb> zyp: yeah - those are pretty fine-gauge wires. But, it gets me going fast, and with proper strain relief it should be OK.
2012-08-25T03:19:55 < zyp> the only proper strain relief is IDC connectors.
2012-08-25T03:20:36 < emeb> Oh, I'd imagine a couple layers of heatshrink would do the trick.
2012-08-25T03:21:26 < dongs> before i made hte pcb I did exactly that
2012-08-25T03:21:40 < dongs> cut apart the idc and soldered directly into arm-jtag shrouded header.
2012-08-25T03:21:43 < dongs> was fucking ghetto.
2012-08-25T03:21:50 < dongs> relpaced it before it broke off.
2012-08-25T03:22:04 < emeb> ghetto is just what I was thinking...
2012-08-25T03:22:31 < zyp> I soldered the end of an IDC cable directly to a maple board
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2012-08-25T03:22:41 < emeb> Oh look - $850 J-link adapters. Where do I sign up?
2012-08-25T03:23:26 < dongs> emeb, http://www.wayengineer.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=106
2012-08-25T03:23:33 < dongs> or j-linkedu for $65 from dkey
2012-08-25T03:23:42 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/PT6Z4.jpg <- IDC cable soldered to the underside of the maple
2012-08-25T03:23:44 < dongs> there are jlink clones but fucking segger now raped them
2012-08-25T03:23:46 < zyp> ugly as hell
2012-08-25T03:23:56 < Laurenceb_> ah yes
2012-08-25T03:24:04 < Laurenceb_> i can use systick
2012-08-25T03:24:09 < dongs> nice dongcopter there
2012-08-25T03:24:10 < dongs> Laurenceb_: for what.
2012-08-25T03:24:20 < Laurenceb_> for orthogonalising my pwm
2012-08-25T03:24:28 < zyp> dongs, it was my first :)
2012-08-25T03:24:32 < dongs> lost me at "orthogonalising"
2012-08-25T03:24:33 < emeb> looks like one of the props is busted
2012-08-25T03:24:45 < dongs> emeb: no its new advanced single bladeprops
2012-08-25T03:24:52 < zyp> emeb, yes, I had just been out crashing, was on my way in
2012-08-25T03:24:57 < emeb> no balance problems there...
2012-08-25T03:25:26 < dongs> emeb: single blade prop is more efficient than 2,3blade
2012-08-25T03:25:38 < Laurenceb_> ...
2012-08-25T03:25:41 < emeb> just a littler harder on the motor bearings.
2012-08-25T03:25:44 < Laurenceb_> seriously single blade?
2012-08-25T03:25:49 < dongs> emeb, thy  can be balanced
2012-08-25T03:25:50 < dongs> Laurenceb_: yea
2012-08-25T03:25:52 < Laurenceb_> with counterweight?
2012-08-25T03:25:54 < Laurenceb_> photos?
2012-08-25T03:25:56 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/s7d0k.jpg <- this is from before it broke
2012-08-25T03:25:57 < dongs> yes
2012-08-25T03:26:00 < dongs> how about videos?
2012-08-25T03:26:08 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD9juUWL5iU
2012-08-25T03:26:27 < emeb> who knew Ericsson made quadcopters?
2012-08-25T03:26:40 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2012-08-25T03:26:42 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buMlFzMhcKc etc
2012-08-25T03:26:44 < zyp> :)
2012-08-25T03:27:13 < zyp> emeb, oh, that was before I started working there
2012-08-25T03:27:34 < emeb> They were so impressed with what they saw out the window...
2012-08-25T03:27:36 < zyp> I used to live next to it
2012-08-25T03:27:47 < zyp> the uni is also right next to it
2012-08-25T03:28:03 < emeb> so they can get lots of cheap intern labor?
2012-08-25T03:28:11 < zyp> ha :p
2012-08-25T03:28:33 < BrainDamage> dongs: I think delayextreme sells a jlink clone
2012-08-25T03:28:44 < zyp> it was nice the first month I was working, just had to cross the road
2012-08-25T03:28:47 < dongs> so does wayengineer, but they're useless with latest jlink software
2012-08-25T03:29:08 < dongs> ive got 2 and they're collecting dust
2012-08-25T03:29:11 < dongs> luckily my jlinkedu still works
2012-08-25T03:29:22 < emeb> zyp: and now you moved further away. That's how it always works.
2012-08-25T03:29:26 < zyp> yep
2012-08-25T03:29:33 < zyp> half an hour by foot now
2012-08-25T03:29:46 < zyp> so I always drive
2012-08-25T03:29:51 < emeb> need to build a man-rated copter...
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2012-08-25T03:31:10 < emeb> dongs: what IDE you use that clone with?
2012-08-25T03:31:28 < dongs> ulink2? I think only uvision/keil supports it?
2012-08-25T03:31:45 < zyp> I didn't even have time to use my jlink clone with anything before I bricked it
2012-08-25T03:31:47 < dongs> which is nice since thats what I use, and jlink integration with keil was kinda annoying
2012-08-25T03:36:46 < zyp> if I'm hoping to get anything done tomorrow I should get some sleep now
2012-08-25T03:37:14 < Laurenceb_> hmm i can syncronise systik to my timers
2012-08-25T03:37:26 < Laurenceb_> then put my pwm fudge code at the start
2012-08-25T03:37:41 < Laurenceb_> and its only one interrupt that needs to be max priority
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2012-08-25T06:08:57 < emeb_mac> don't do it
2012-08-25T06:14:13 < R2COM> do it
2012-08-25T06:17:41 < cjbaird> i want the car
2012-08-25T06:22:49 < cjbaird> I tried to ...charm myself a free meal upgrade at Hungry Jacks for lunch. Didn't work. :/
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2012-08-25T14:19:34 < cjbaird> Found a jpeg decoder that -Os down to under 7kB.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/jpegdecoder/ ... It doesn't have a "no matter how much work you put on this code, you have to give all ownership of all your work to me!" licence like nanojpeg has, either.
2012-08-25T14:23:04 < cjbaird> WEll, the text <7kB anyway. Haven't seen what the final BSS or heap will be like. Another reason nanojpeg was unsutiable was its sucking up 512kB of ram.
2012-08-25T14:30:05 < jpa-> it's not "you have to give all ownership to me" license, just that they want to get a copy
2012-08-25T14:30:53 < jpa-> but yeah, the RAM usage is probably more of a trouble..
2012-08-25T14:36:24 < cjbaird> he gets a copy.. that he can do anything with. "But what if I don't feel like sharing that arithmetic encoder addition..?"
2012-08-25T14:37:43 < jpa-> so it's back to the usual copyleft vs. public domain war
2012-08-25T14:39:13 < jpa-> just be happy that someone shared, why wouldn't you share also?
2012-08-25T14:41:39 < cjbaird> Like 'beerware', it's another braggadocio licence that has the potential to be more fucked-up than the GPL when it comes to the conditions placed on derivative works..
2012-08-25T14:41:41 < dongs> lol.
2012-08-25T14:42:03 < jpa-> true, it's a bit dull license
2012-08-25T14:42:18 < jpa-> though i don't think it has any restrictions on derivative works
2012-08-25T14:42:19 < dongs> 3 other japs are here to watch total recall
2012-08-25T14:42:50 < cjbaird> I'll be a jpegdecoderboy.. I can bung all the code into a single file which is a big help, too.
2012-08-25T14:42:51 < jpa-> and you could probably even write "This was the original license, my new license is:" at the top; a bit like how BSD license works
2012-08-25T14:42:55 < dongs> so I centered myself in the cinema
2012-08-25T14:46:20 < cjbaird> ..you travelled 200kms to watch Total Recall?
2012-08-25T14:46:55 < dongs> among other things, yes
2012-08-25T14:47:34 < BrainDamage> cjbaird: was it you that wanted to turn the rpi into a general pourpose micro dev env?
2012-08-25T14:47:51 < BrainDamage> if so, this might be of interest for you: http://holdenc.altervista.org/rpp/index.html
2012-08-25T14:47:55 < cjbaird> BrainDamage: yep.
2012-08-25T14:47:58 < dongs> http://www.japantrends.com/japanese-startup-offers-free-underwear/
2012-08-25T14:48:30 < cjbaird> 200kms needs to involve girls.
2012-08-25T14:48:43 < cjbaird> BD: cool.
2012-08-25T14:48:52 < jpa-> gah; reinventing the pic programmer yet again? :D
2012-08-25T14:50:16 < cjbaird> Something simpler would be a lot better, though..
2012-08-25T14:50:27 < dongs> totally signing up.
2012-08-25T14:50:40 <+Steffanx> Also buy the mpeg-2 license!
2012-08-25T14:50:44 <+Steffanx> and VC1
2012-08-25T14:50:46 < cjbaird> However, it's good that it only needs generic old parts.
2012-08-25T14:51:03 <+Steffanx> And after that the license for the h264 encoder
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2012-08-25T14:55:28 < cjbaird> I'm downloading an A2 OS system iso from www.a2.ethz.ch ...at 0.5-2.0kB/s, and it's been like that all day. wtf.
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2012-08-25T15:01:53 <+Steffanx> The website is slow as well
2012-08-25T15:02:56 < cjbaird> A Swedish University Computer Science department.. with a dial-up internet connecton?
2012-08-25T15:03:10 <+Steffanx> 3 kB/s here :P
2012-08-25T15:03:34 <+Steffanx> *2
2012-08-25T15:06:26 < cjbaird> 20% [======>                                ] 16,626,513   545B/s  eta 36h 51m
2012-08-25T15:07:52 <+Steffanx> Not bad :)
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2012-08-25T15:15:12 <+Steffanx> That server is running on that OS you're downloading cjbaird ?
2012-08-25T15:15:40 <+Steffanx> it looks like that
2012-08-25T15:16:27 <+Steffanx> The load is pretty high ( for a webserver only)
2012-08-25T15:16:34 <+Steffanx> System Load :	 1.30 1.27 1.24
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2012-08-25T15:17:18 <+Steffanx> With only 5 requests/minute
2012-08-25T15:23:21 <+izua> maybe it's a 250KHz z80
2012-08-25T15:33:26 <+izua> cjbaird: downloaded it three times so far
2012-08-25T15:33:56 <+Steffanx> You did izua ?!
2012-08-25T15:34:49 < BrainDamage> izua has a priority channel
2012-08-25T15:35:01 < BrainDamage> and keeps keeping the link busy so that cjbaird gets frustrated
2012-08-25T15:35:11 <+izua> ^
2012-08-25T15:35:19 <+Steffanx> It's here slow as well
2012-08-25T15:36:31 < cjbaird> torrent plz
2012-08-25T15:36:49 <+Steffanx> Torrents are illegal in aussieland
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2012-08-25T15:45:19 < cjbaird> There was an Anime produced a few years ago called "Real Drive". Done by the same group who did the Ghost In The Shell TV series, and has nearly the same type of society where everyone has cyberbrain implants, augmentations (and all the japanese schoolgirls are fatties..) One of the main characters is a girl who was raised by her grandmother in Australia... and she doesn't have a cyberbrain, because the whole place isn't on the '
2012-08-25T15:45:21 < cjbaird> Metal'/superduperinternet.
2012-08-25T15:47:49 < Erlkoenig> sounds like Neuromancer. :D
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2012-08-25T15:49:53 < zyp> cjbaird, I remember I saw that a few years ago
2012-08-25T15:50:23 < cjbaird> pic related http://i.imgur.com/cOoUS.jpg
2012-08-25T15:50:50 < cjbaird> "Health Drive"...
2012-08-25T15:50:50 < zyp> :p
2012-08-25T15:50:56 < cjbaird> "Healthy Drive"...
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2012-08-25T16:09:23 < cjbaird> Hmm, it seems that ethz.ch site is sending ~25% duplicate packets.
2012-08-25T16:13:33 <+izua> that webserver must be awesome
2012-08-25T16:14:06 <+izua> it's one of those rarely implemented tcp features i guess
2012-08-25T16:14:13 <+izua> like the evil bit, or avian carriers
2012-08-25T16:19:10 < cjbaird> I tried twiddling things like rfc1323 and mtu..
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2012-08-25T20:30:45 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb / Laurenceb_ , your daily raspberrypi fail: http://www.raspberrypi.com/
2012-08-25T20:30:50 <+Steffanx> Euro prices are negative :P
2012-08-25T20:31:09 <+Steffanx> flyback, ?
2012-08-25T20:41:18 < emeb> flyback: Apple //c FTW
2012-08-25T20:43:48 < emeb> owche
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2012-08-26T00:36:07 < Laurenceb_> muhaha
2012-08-26T00:36:21  * Laurenceb_ has a deranged way of doing orthogonal pwm
2012-08-26T00:36:42 < Laurenceb_> using gating of some of the timers with spare output compare channels on the others
2012-08-26T00:36:55 < Laurenceb_> it is possible to get orthogonal pwm frequencies
2012-08-26T00:37:05 < Laurenceb_> but its impossible to work out and the maths is nutty
2012-08-26T00:37:26 < Laurenceb_> ive got an script running to search for the possible setups that work
2012-08-26T00:37:39 < Laurenceb_> but it gets exponentially more complex as i add more timers
2012-08-26T00:37:53 < Laurenceb_> 6 timers has been running for 5 hours now
2012-08-26T00:39:27 < Laurenceb_> im sure there is a way to do this properly... using set theory or ... something
2012-08-26T00:40:05 < Erlkoenig> discrete mathematics. it solves everything. :P
2012-08-26T00:41:01 < Laurenceb_> ive just written a few line octave script
2012-08-26T00:41:15 < Laurenceb_> its solved up to 6 timers on an F4 now without issue
2012-08-26T00:41:39 < Laurenceb_> spaghetti gating to get just the right periods on each timer
2012-08-26T00:42:12 < Laurenceb_> so that the frequencies are othogonal and at constant phase to the adc samples
2012-08-26T00:42:25 < Erlkoenig> what exactly are you going to use that modulation stuff for?
2012-08-26T00:42:30 < Laurenceb_> that was i can run the adc at full speed and have some simple integer maths to downconvert
2012-08-26T00:42:38 < Laurenceb_> a cheap spectrometer
2012-08-26T00:42:52 < Laurenceb_> using frequency division modulation of an led array
2012-08-26T00:43:35 < Erlkoenig> weird.
2012-08-26T00:43:43 < Laurenceb_> i am
2012-08-26T00:44:19 < Laurenceb_> i discovered the hard way that if the frequencies arent both orthogonal to one another and at constant phase to the adc there is wripple
2012-08-26T00:44:24 < Laurenceb_> -w
2012-08-26T00:44:59 < Laurenceb_> due to interference and harmonics in the signal
2012-08-26T00:45:05 < Erlkoenig> what does "two frequencies are orthogonal" mean?
2012-08-26T00:45:16 < Laurenceb_> it doesnt for two frequencies
2012-08-26T00:45:20 < Erlkoenig> i.e. what's your scalar product here :D
2012-08-26T00:45:31 < Laurenceb_> only has meaning for n>=3 frequencies
2012-08-26T00:45:45 < Laurenceb_> where their delta frequency is constant
2012-08-26T00:45:58 < Laurenceb_> and 1/delta_f is the integration period
2012-08-26T00:46:10 < Laurenceb_> so you can resolve each frequency component with no crosstalk
2012-08-26T00:48:33 < Laurenceb_> look up OFDM
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2012-08-26T00:50:09 < Laurenceb_> barthess?
2012-08-26T00:51:36 < Erlkoenig> i dont get anything on the wiki page "OFDM".
2012-08-26T00:51:56 < Laurenceb_> or barthezz?
2012-08-26T00:53:12  * Laurenceb_ listens to Barthezz: infected
2012-08-26T01:05:49 < Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_frequency-division_multiplexing
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2012-08-26T01:59:22 < cjbaird> woohoo-- I bunged that jpegdecoder code into mine, and it worked first-go.
2012-08-26T02:09:19 < cjbaird> pix for bored people to look at: http://i.imgur.com/ta4bC.jpg
2012-08-26T02:12:16 < BrainDamage> damn, your wm screams nerd like few I've seen before
2012-08-26T02:12:35 < BrainDamage> what's with the rpi stack btw?
2012-08-26T02:12:40 < qyx_> wat
2012-08-26T02:12:43 < qyx_> messy wm
2012-08-26T02:12:48 < cjbaird> The next trick will be for it to take several photos, decode each into greyscale, and do noise removal type stuff to it.
2012-08-26T02:12:48 < Laurenceb_> thats epic
2012-08-26T02:13:13 < cjbaird> I have no animu desktop wallpaper? Aww.
2012-08-26T02:13:37 < Laurenceb_> what is the wm?
2012-08-26T02:14:18 < BrainDamage> wm = window manager, the thing that handle window positioning, and not always the decoration ( borders and buttons on windows )
2012-08-26T02:14:25 < Laurenceb_> durrr
2012-08-26T02:14:28 < Laurenceb_> i know that
2012-08-26T02:14:34 < BrainDamage> k sorry :p
2012-08-26T02:14:41 < zyp> «which wm?»
2012-08-26T02:14:45 < Laurenceb_> i mean what is it? enlightenment or something?
2012-08-26T02:14:57 < Laurenceb_> ok ok
2012-08-26T02:15:04 < cjbaird> BrainDamage: http://i.imgur.com/EcCAD.jpg .. PERSONAL SUPERCOMPUTER
2012-08-26T02:15:06 < Laurenceb_> i get corrected on my english and im the english guy
2012-08-26T02:15:21 < Laurenceb_> OH MY GOD
2012-08-26T02:15:24 < Laurenceb_> nerd alert
2012-08-26T02:15:39 < cjbaird> wm = sawfish, customized .sawfishrc, no other DE
2012-08-26T02:16:12 < BrainDamage> I guess cjbaird is one of the major responsibles for the rpi shrotage
2012-08-26T02:16:32 < BrainDamage> seriously, wtf do you use them for?
2012-08-26T02:17:08 < BrainDamage> shortage*
2012-08-26T02:17:11 < cjbaird> I can do an entire Linux kernel build in under 90 minutes, whereas a single rpi takes about 6+ hours.
2012-08-26T02:17:28 < cjbaird> Must get motivated to do the MPI-based mandelbrot generator. :)
2012-08-26T02:17:41 < qyx_> uhm, average ~5y old computer does it under 10m
2012-08-26T02:17:56 < BrainDamage> for compiling, I'd instead suggest running qemu in a modern machine
2012-08-26T02:18:05 < qyx_> with even less power required
2012-08-26T02:18:09 < BrainDamage> or simply cross compile
2012-08-26T02:18:13 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2012-08-26T02:18:15 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2012-08-26T02:18:18 < cjbaird> qyx_: average 5yo computer that you BUY OFF THE SHELF FROM WAL*MART
2012-08-26T02:18:47 < cjbaird> It uses about 13 watts at full tilt.
2012-08-26T02:18:51 < Laurenceb_> have you posted that on #raspberrypi
2012-08-26T02:19:08 < qyx_> cjbaird: you should make coll hotpluggable rack for them
2012-08-26T02:19:18 < qyx_> with live process migration!
2012-08-26T02:19:22 < qyx_> *cool
2012-08-26T02:19:38 < cjbaird> HAY GUISE I BOUGHT A COMPUTER FROM WAL*MART WHERE IS MY COMPUTER SCIENCE DEGREE?
2012-08-26T02:19:42 < BrainDamage> it might be a cheap way to test parallelization software
2012-08-26T02:19:50 < BrainDamage> accounting latencies, etc
2012-08-26T02:19:51 < cjbaird> qyx_: a pity that the OpenMOSIX project is dead.
2012-08-26T02:20:01 < cjbaird> Yep, all that kind of fun stuff.
2012-08-26T02:20:17 < qyx_> some time ago i tried it
2012-08-26T02:20:23 < qyx_> i think it had some successor
2012-08-26T02:20:29 < qyx_> openmpi or something like that
2012-08-26T02:20:59 < qyx_> no, openlpi
2012-08-26T02:20:59 < cjbaird> It was probably the most available process-migration project on Linux. Unfortunately it was too tied to x86.
2012-08-26T02:21:04 < qyx_> hm, no
2012-08-26T02:21:05 < zyp> I remember testing kerrighed once
2012-08-26T02:22:01 < qyx_> that mpi reminds me some of the quadrics/qsnet network cards lying around
2012-08-26T02:22:12 < qyx_> i can't find any reasonable usage for them
2012-08-26T02:22:17 < zyp> turned into me and my housemate netbooting every free computer we had into the cluster because it was cool to have a lot of cpus and memory show up in top
2012-08-26T02:22:36 < cjbaird> zyp: done that :)
2012-08-26T02:26:13 < zyp> though, that was only a couple of dual cores and a couple of single cores, and not really a whole lot of memory, so my current workstation with a quadcore+HT and 32G ram would probably look «way cooler» anyway
2012-08-26T02:26:25 < zyp> not to mention dwarf the cluster when it comes to performance
2012-08-26T02:29:40 < cjbaird> I used to know Martin Pool when I was living in Brisbane, and at the first HUMBUG (Linux LAN) meet after he first released distcc, half a dozen of the Linux boxen did a group kernel compile. :)
2012-08-26T02:31:06 < BrainDamage> I guess that's the linux equivalent of circling across a bonfire
2012-08-26T02:31:19 < BrainDamage> sorry, I'm in a trolling mood tonight
2012-08-26T02:31:22 < zyp> I've never had much interest for distcc, my fastest computer has traditionally been much faster than all the other I have available
2012-08-26T02:31:42 < zyp> add in network overhead, and then there is not really much gain from using it
2012-08-26T02:31:45 < cjbaird> http://i.imgur.com/ukmQb.jpg .. My machine's the one with the black monitor (using a Sony NeWS3400 as a stand..) Not me standing next to it, though.
2012-08-26T02:31:59 < BrainDamage> same for me zyp
2012-08-26T02:32:24 < BrainDamage> and leaving the older machines running would've been such a waste in power that wouldn't been worth it
2012-08-26T02:33:49 < cjbaird> Most of those machines are 486.. taken in 1995, I think. http://i.imgur.com/x75CR.jpg .. "Oh, a LAN, huh? What gaems did you play??" "Games..?"
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2012-08-26T02:33:59 < zyp> nethack :p
2012-08-26T02:35:29 < cjbaird> The HUMBUG meets were awesome until the [Open]Solaris cocksuckers showed up. "HUUR LINUX TOY SHIT! WE DO REAL COMPUTA" "HERE IS MY SSBBW GIRLFRIEND IM GONNA MARRY"
2012-08-26T02:37:15 < BrainDamage> ssbby?
2012-08-26T02:37:46 < cjbaird> GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH! :D
2012-08-26T02:38:21 < BrainDamage> I know I will regret this, but I am sufficiently bored to walk into the trap
2012-08-26T02:38:23 < cjbaird> dooo eeettt!
2012-08-26T02:40:59 < cjbaird> advice: clear your browser caches and history afterwards.
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2012-08-26T02:42:40 < BrainDamage> there's incognito mode for similar tests
2012-08-26T02:43:01 < BrainDamage> and apparently default safe search setting hide the nasty
2012-08-26T02:44:13 < BrainDamage> weird, even with it off I see no porn stuff, that's rather impressive
2012-08-26T02:44:19 < BrainDamage> still nothing noteworthy
2012-08-26T02:45:12 < zyp> are you going by the «it's not porn if you can't fap to it» definition?
2012-08-26T02:45:30 < zyp> in that case it wouldn't be strange :p
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2012-08-26T02:46:14 < BrainDamage> no, I mean a serious lack of naked body
2012-08-26T02:46:19 < BrainDamage> be that human or animal
2012-08-26T02:46:33 < cjbaird> ssbbw, not ssbby like you typed before.
2012-08-26T02:46:57 < BrainDamage> ooook, now I see the nasty
2012-08-26T02:47:16 < BrainDamage> what the hell
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2012-08-26T02:47:46 < BrainDamage> I guess ss= super size?
2012-08-26T02:48:12 < zyp> superspeed, you know, usb3
2012-08-26T02:48:57 < BrainDamage> I'm pretty sure a whole drive could fit anywhere and disappear
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2012-08-26T02:49:49 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2012-08-26T02:50:16 < Laurenceb__> super size BBW?
2012-08-26T02:52:11 < Laurenceb__> brb fapping
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2012-08-26T03:56:53 < emeb_mac> you know, some IRC conversations are really difficult to catch up with if you weren't there at the start.
2012-08-26T03:58:57 < zyp> some aren't worth catching up with
2012-08-26T04:01:15 < zyp> short story goes like this: cjbaird used the term SSBBW in a story, causing people to start wondering what SSBBW meant, derailing the whole conversation into one about googling pictures of fat ladies
2012-08-26T04:01:34 < emeb_mac> urban dictionary gives a sufficiently detailed definition that I know I don't want to go there.
2012-08-26T04:01:46 < zyp> :)
2012-08-26T04:12:11 < cjbaird> A good old-fashioned IRC shock image trick...
2012-08-26T04:16:56 < zyp> ha, shock image
2012-08-26T04:25:23 < emeb_mac> zzzzap!
2012-08-26T04:26:10  * emeb_mac reads the /. article on RaspPi USB problems...
2012-08-26T04:26:47 < zyp> which problems?
2012-08-26T04:27:08 < emeb_mac> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/08/24/2228251/serious-problems-with-usb-and-ethernet-on-the-raspberry-pi
2012-08-26T04:27:40 < emeb_mac> Bad USB IP on the SoC, no documentation, driver code is a binary blob. etc. etc.
2012-08-26T04:28:15 < cjbaird> slowking.jpg
2012-08-26T04:29:10 < cjbaird> The USB, SD card, etc. issues were pretty-much realised the moment they first shipped..
2012-08-26T04:29:39 < emeb_mac> old news eh?
2012-08-26T04:29:47 < cjbaird> The power issue affected me-- the power supply for the cluster didn't go quite to plan..
2012-08-26T04:30:31 < zyp> ah, the ethernet chip is a combined usb hub and ethernet mac/phy, interesting
2012-08-26T04:31:56 < zyp> that expains why the usb ports are hooked to the ethernet chip, I was a bit curious about that when I looked at the board I got
2012-08-26T04:40:26 < zippe1> zyp: The pi is a very sad thing
2012-08-26T04:40:34 < zippe1> The chip … is not good.
2012-08-26T04:40:54 < zippe1> Basically, a bunch of bcm guys got Beagle Envy
2012-08-26T04:41:11 < zyp> can't say I'm surprised
2012-08-26T04:44:52 < cjbaird> It doesn't have anywhere near to the number of problems the Openmoko Neo had. :) (gps noise, gsm noise, microsd issues, ...)
2012-08-26T04:45:41 < cjbaird> The Neo's phone-side hardware pretty-much didn't work at all.
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2012-08-26T04:57:23 < zippe1> Which is weird given that it was an off-the-shelf module
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2012-08-26T05:02:06 < ossifrage> emeb_mac, I used a similar USB core when I worked for a chip company. It was designed to have a coprocessor to run the USB state machine, but the chip guys said the main processor could do it
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2012-08-26T05:12:33 < zyp> oh, it's the same synopsys core as in F4?
2012-08-26T05:14:20 < zyp> no wonder people are having problems :p
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2012-08-26T08:51:52 <+izua> lol
2012-08-26T08:51:57 <+izua> you should really mirror that once you get it
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2012-08-26T10:08:38 < jpa-> cjbaird: maybe you should ask it by snailmail
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2012-08-26T13:17:10 < dongs> haha, rapeberrypi sucks, how shocking
2012-08-26T13:17:15 < dongs> and drivers are still binary blobs
2012-08-26T13:17:31 < dongs> in other news, i turned off my dekstop for 2 days
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2012-08-26T13:17:36 < dongs> just came back from vacation
2012-08-26T13:17:38 < dongs> turned it back on
2012-08-26T13:18:10 < dongs> its in 800x600 vga mode. reinstalling ALL drivers. then it announced me its not longer activated. network is disabled, none of netwrok related services want to start up.
2012-08-26T13:18:19 < dongs> trash+reinstall time.
2012-08-26T13:43:19 < zyp> I'm sure that's not windows' fault!
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2012-08-26T16:29:29 < dongs> ya.
2012-08-26T16:31:32 < zyp> dongs, found some high quality pcb design for you
2012-08-26T16:31:34 < zyp> http://www.flickr.com/photos/oskay/4727511688/
2012-08-26T16:32:00 < dongs> thats just topor
2012-08-26T16:32:03 < dongs> i actually hav a license for that
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2012-08-26T17:47:13 < Thorn> dongs on vacation http://oglaf.com/branding/1/
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2012-08-26T20:32:03 < zyp> ugh
2012-08-26T20:32:41 < zyp> when the usb controller in the F4 locks up and starts spewing shit, it's pretty impossible to get it working again
2012-08-26T20:33:01 < Erlkoenig> hu, what causes it to lock up?
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2012-08-26T20:34:17 < zyp> I was dicking around in the debugger, trying to set a breakpoint on the function that reads from the RX-FIFO
2012-08-26T20:34:30 < zyp> and somehow screwed up some internal state of the peripheral
2012-08-26T20:35:16 < zyp> neither resetting the peripheral in every possible nor powercycling the board got it working again
2012-08-26T20:35:24 < Erlkoenig> wat oO
2012-08-26T20:35:33 < zyp> yeah
2012-08-26T20:35:38 < Erlkoenig> well, at least not a "usual condition" occuring during normal operation
2012-08-26T20:35:51 < Erlkoenig> do you happen to use windows and does windows happen to not recognize it?
2012-08-26T20:36:19 < zyp> so I pulled out another board and flashed it with the same build, and that's working fine
2012-08-26T20:36:38 < zyp> and no, I'm not using windows, and that has nothing to do with anything
2012-08-26T20:37:00 < Erlkoenig> okay... my windows sometimes refuses any connection on one USB port, i thought this might be the case for you too
2012-08-26T20:37:03 < zyp> I'm talking spewing shit as in not being able to participate in the enumeration at all
2012-08-26T20:37:47 <+Steffanx> You broke it
2012-08-26T20:37:51 < Erlkoenig> did you try to disconnect the board from power and anything, and then short the power rails, to discharge any capacitors?
2012-08-26T20:38:33 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/qdrrJ.png <- this is how the bus trace looks
2012-08-26T20:38:53 < Erlkoenig> what kind of program produces this log?
2012-08-26T20:39:12 < zyp> the software for the usb analyzer
2012-08-26T20:39:23 < zyp> «total phase data center»
2012-08-26T20:39:37 <+Steffanx> Expensive equipment ..
2012-08-26T20:40:01 < BrainDamage> aren't usb debuggers 500$ up?
2012-08-26T20:40:11 < Erlkoenig> oh wow...
2012-08-26T20:40:27 < zyp> BrainDamage, yes, that's why I'm only borrowing one
2012-08-26T20:40:33 < Erlkoenig> try to discharge the capacitors, that helped me with some other IC
2012-08-26T20:40:36 <+Steffanx> zyp has friends/collegues with benefits :P
2012-08-26T20:41:01 < BrainDamage> so he exchanges sex for instrumentation?
2012-08-26T20:41:13 <+Steffanx> I didn't talk about those kind of benefits
2012-08-26T20:41:31 < Erlkoenig> BrainDamage: who would do that?! :D
2012-08-26T20:44:11 < zyp> hmm, shorting vcc might have done the trick, either that or it magically started working by itself when I was testing with another identical board
2012-08-26T20:44:59 < Erlkoenig> ha :D
2012-08-26T20:45:50 < zyp> I thought I'd have enough load on vcc to discharge the caps instantly anyway
2012-08-26T20:46:52 < zyp> will keep it in mind next time I encounter the same problem, then I can see if it instantly solves it :p
2012-08-26T20:47:13 < Erlkoenig> i experimented with the RFM12 433 MHz RF module, and experienced obscure problems often about the module not willing to "boot", so i disconnected the module from Vcc and any capacitors upon starting the circuit, so it would see exactly 0V and then instantly 5V, which fixed all the problems...
2012-08-26T20:47:14 < Erlkoenig> i also thought i'd have enough load to discharge the caps, but measurements showed there were some 0.1V left for hours, keeping the module in some invalid state...
2012-08-26T20:48:24 < BrainDamage> if it has some reset pin
2012-08-26T20:48:39 < BrainDamage> hold down the reset with a rc circuit and a transistor
2012-08-26T20:49:06 < BrainDamage> so that it won't go to a weird state when the supply is unstable
2012-08-26T20:49:07 < Erlkoenig> that module has a Power-On-Reset and even a reset-output for mikrocontrollers, but this doesn't seem to reset anything... even though it probably has < 100 Flipflops S:
2012-08-26T20:49:13 < Erlkoenig> it doesnt have a reset input...
2012-08-26T20:49:28 <+Steffanx> rfm* modules ARE weird :)
2012-08-26T20:49:35 < Erlkoenig> -reset anything   +not reset something
2012-08-26T20:49:38 < Erlkoenig> Steffanx: yep. :D
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2012-08-26T20:49:59 <+Steffanx> I had a rfm22b with a irq pin which didn't get low, until i shorted it to ground
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2012-08-26T20:50:15 <+Steffanx> That worked for a while, until it for some reason needed that 'short to ground' again
2012-08-26T20:51:24 < BrainDamage> maybe the nrf modules are sane(r)
2012-08-26T20:51:36 < BrainDamage> I used nrf24l01 and they are pretty decent
2012-08-26T20:51:40 < Erlkoenig> in some condition, the irq pin *should* go low (as documented), but just doesn't
2012-08-26T20:51:44 < BrainDamage> didn't try the 433MHz version
2012-08-26T20:52:02 <+Steffanx> Nordic has 433mhz stuff?
2012-08-26T20:52:50 <+Steffanx> but indeed those nrf24l01(+) modules are nice and cheap
2012-08-26T20:53:06 < BrainDamage> http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/Sub-1-GHz-RF/nRF9E5
2012-08-26T20:53:37 <+Steffanx> oh, i actually knew about that :P
2012-08-26T20:53:46 < BrainDamage> they are more expensive than the 2.4GHz conterparts
2012-08-26T20:54:03 < zyp> now I broke it again
2012-08-26T20:54:04 < BrainDamage> the problem with th 2.4GHz modules, is that stupid folded antenna for the sake of space
2012-08-26T20:54:22 < BrainDamage> so I end up physically cutting the module, and solder a sma connector on it
2012-08-26T20:54:31 < Erlkoenig> hm, are there any "low frequency" digital transmitters, for, like, 27 MHz?
2012-08-26T20:54:32 <+Steffanx> On ebay there are 'long range' versions ...
2012-08-26T20:54:34 <+Steffanx> same pinout
2012-08-26T20:54:40 < BrainDamage> I did check, and they added the impedance matching circuit for 50Ohm
2012-08-26T20:54:44 < BrainDamage> so the sma is perfect
2012-08-26T20:54:55 < BrainDamage> yes, and cost 10$ for the nonamplified version
2012-08-26T20:54:59 < BrainDamage> and 20$ for the amplified
2012-08-26T20:55:11 <+Steffanx> 10$? < 5$
2012-08-26T20:55:15 < BrainDamage> link?
2012-08-26T20:55:42 <+Steffanx> Or do you mean one with SMA connector and no amplification?
2012-08-26T20:56:01 < BrainDamage> sma and no amplification
2012-08-26T20:56:10 <+Steffanx> Oh, ok
2012-08-26T20:56:34 < BrainDamage> adding a 2$ chinese wifi antenna is not a problem
2012-08-26T20:56:53 < BrainDamage> so the "mod" costs 2.3$ + 10 mins work
2012-08-26T20:57:03 < zyp> hmm, shorting vcc doesn't help at all now
2012-08-26T20:57:25 < BrainDamage> where 8 of the minutes is actually taking out the dremel and replacing the cutting disk and sanding disk ( to remove the solder mask )
2012-08-26T20:57:30 < BrainDamage> remaining 2 mins to solder
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2012-08-26T21:05:42 < zyp> doesn't look like any amount of shorting out caps helps
2012-08-26T21:06:59 <+Steffanx> So your board has some other secret memory?
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2012-08-26T22:14:55 < emeb> I had some odd stuff happen w/ the USB on my F105 board.
2012-08-26T22:15:19 < emeb> It works for a while, then stops. Power cycling, resetting, unplugging from USB doesn't help.
2012-08-26T22:15:45 < emeb> Letting it sit for a while (disconnected, unpowered) seems to get it going again. Sometimes...
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2012-08-26T22:25:40 < Erlkoenig> emeb: ha :D
2012-08-26T22:25:48 < Erlkoenig> zyp had a similar problem just now
2012-08-26T22:26:03 < Erlkoenig> (19:37:51) Erlkoenig: did you try to disconnect the board from power and anything, and then short the power rails, to discharge any capacitors?
2012-08-26T22:26:20 < Erlkoenig> (19:47:13) Erlkoenig: i experimented with the RFM12 433 MHz RF module, and experienced obscure problems often about the module not willing to "boot", so i disconnected the module from Vcc and any capacitors upon starting the circuit, so it would see exactly 0V and then instantly 5V, which fixed all the problems...
2012-08-26T22:26:20 < Erlkoenig> (19:47:13) Erlkoenig: i also thought i'd have enough load to discharge the caps, but measurements showed there were some 0.1V left for hours, keeping the module in some invalid state...
2012-08-26T22:30:34 < emeb> Erlkoenig: I saw the thread - that's why I chimed in w/ my anecdote.
2012-08-26T22:31:03 < Erlkoenig> aaah okay ;)
2012-08-26T22:35:43 < Steffanx_> Have more anecdotes emeb ?
2012-08-26T22:38:39 < emeb> I've got tons. :P
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2012-08-26T22:40:07 < emeb> like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe...
2012-08-26T22:44:55 < Erlkoenig> i wanted to measure a circuit powered by USB using a DSO, so i connected the DSO's GND (which is connected to PE) to the USB's GND, which caused the isolation of the cable to melt. fortunately it was a bad cable with high resistance, so the scope wasn't harmed. anyway, easily touchable parts (USB-GND) shouldn't have a voltage != PE ...
2012-08-26T22:45:32 < emeb> That's some kind of ground loop you've got going there.
2012-08-26T22:46:51 < Erlkoenig> probably need a battery for the scope...
2012-08-26T22:47:21 < emeb> Or an isolation transformer
2012-08-26T22:47:58 < Steffanx_> or a power cable without PE? Which you can use for purposes like this?
2012-08-26T22:48:04 < Erlkoenig> don't these cause additional security risks because the scope isn't earthe'd correctly then?
2012-08-26T22:48:42 < emeb> Yeah - security risks. Without a grounded power cable, haxors can pwn your server.
2012-08-26T22:48:55 < Erlkoenig> no, my server can pwn *me* :D
2012-08-26T22:49:50 < Erlkoenig> disconnecting a device from PE which is supposed to be grounded doesn't sound like too much of a good idea
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2012-08-26T23:02:09 < BrainDamage> or instead always connect the scope's + to the ground without connecting the ground
2012-08-26T23:02:16 < BrainDamage> and measure if there's potential
2012-08-26T23:02:52 < Erlkoenig> probably there will
2012-08-26T23:03:02 < Erlkoenig> but this way i can't measure anything :D
2012-08-26T23:03:28 < BrainDamage> if the usb voltages are referred to that gnd
2012-08-26T23:03:36 < BrainDamage> you'll only have to add / subtract that value
2012-08-26T23:03:40 < emeb> Best thing is to make sure the PE of the scope is connected to the same PE as the DUT.
2012-08-26T23:04:22 < emeb> If there's a Vdiff then you've got bigger problems to solve before dealing with the scope measurements.
2012-08-26T23:04:26 < Erlkoenig> ah you mean substract the USB-GND's potential from the values measured relative to PE?
2012-08-26T23:04:37 < Erlkoenig> "DUT"?
2012-08-26T23:04:42 < emeb> device under test
2012-08-26T23:04:55 < Erlkoenig> yeah, they are surely connected to the same PE
2012-08-26T23:05:02 < Erlkoenig> but the USB-GND seems to be different from PE
2012-08-26T23:05:17 < emeb> Then there's a power supply problem in your USB device.
2012-08-26T23:06:08 < Erlkoenig> also i fear that Vdiff = PE - "USB-GND"   is not constant but some sort of ripple because of the switching power supply
2012-08-26T23:06:50 < emeb> Yeah - and if it's got sufficient current to melt cables, that's a big problem.
2012-08-26T23:07:33 < Erlkoenig> it didn't melt the copper, only the rubber isolation ;)
2012-08-26T23:07:46 < emeb> regardless...
2012-08-26T23:08:09 < Erlkoenig> the computer is a notebook... that means the problem is probably in the notebook-PSU?
2012-08-26T23:09:51 < emeb> Hard to say - external AC brick/wall-wart perhaps, or possibly even in the internal switchers.
2012-08-26T23:10:59 < Erlkoenig> uhhm.. ungood
2012-08-26T23:11:49 < emeb> But, you can try running the laptop off battery - that should eliminate the ground loop through PE.
2012-08-26T23:12:14 < Erlkoenig> Ethernet cables don't carry any GND/Ground, because of differential signaling and tranformators, right?
2012-08-26T23:12:29 < emeb> Yeah - Ethernet should be isolated.
2012-08-26T23:12:42 < emeb> Unless you have POE. :)
2012-08-26T23:13:30 < Erlkoenig> no i don't ;)
2012-08-26T23:15:30 < Erlkoenig> hmm i remember having a ground loop with disturbed speakers connected to a notebook, which was "fixed" by disconnecting the ethernet cable...
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2012-08-26T23:37:30 < zyp> emeb, F105 use the same OTG core, doesn't it?
2012-08-26T23:38:11 < zyp> emeb, which usb stack do you use?
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2012-08-26T23:52:56 < Laurenceb__> can you clk timers at 72MHz on F1?
2012-08-26T23:56:41 < zyp> only the timers on APB2
2012-08-26T23:56:58 < emeb> zyp: I'm using the ones from the STM32 periph lib
2012-08-26T23:57:09 < emeb> (the HID example code)
2012-08-26T23:57:26 < zyp> ah
2012-08-26T23:58:00 < zyp> on medium density F1 devices, only TIM1 can be clocked at 72 MHz
2012-08-26T23:58:18 < Laurenceb__> is that in the datasheet?
2012-08-26T23:59:01 < zyp> hmm?
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2012-08-27T00:01:04 < Laurenceb__> oh i see its the bus layout
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2012-08-27T00:01:13 < zyp> yes
2012-08-27T00:01:37 < zyp> you also have a table in the datasheet
2012-08-27T00:01:58 < zyp> it's 5.3.14 in my old revision of the F1 datasheet
2012-08-27T00:02:46 < zyp> it says the minimum time resolution is equal to the period of the bus clock
2012-08-27T00:03:11 < zyp> so you can run the timers up to the frequency of the bus they are attached to
2012-08-27T00:05:04 < Laurenceb__> ok
2012-08-27T00:05:12 < Laurenceb__> so 36 or 72 mhz
2012-08-27T00:06:36 < Laurenceb__> hmm that screws everything up :(
2012-08-27T00:06:44 < Laurenceb__> doh
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2012-08-27T00:07:06 < Laurenceb_> grrr
2012-08-27T00:07:17 < Laurenceb_> i cant find a way to make orthogonal pwm
2012-08-27T00:07:52 < zyp> that's probably why people aren't already doing it
2012-08-27T00:11:15 < Laurenceb_> wait wtf
2012-08-27T00:11:29 < Laurenceb_> im setting prescaler to 16 and getting 4.5mhz clk
2012-08-27T00:13:28 < Laurenceb_> the std lib code just does   TIMx->PSC = TIM_TimeBaseInitStruct->TIM_Prescaler;
2012-08-27T00:13:32 < Laurenceb_> so wtf
2012-08-27T00:16:22 < Laurenceb_> i havent set the prescaler?
2012-08-27T00:18:06 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2012-08-27T00:18:16 < Laurenceb_> this may explain my issues with uSD cards
2012-08-27T00:22:26 < Laurenceb_> how do i set prescaler - is there a perif function?
2012-08-27T00:25:17 < Steffanx_> probably, yes
2012-08-27T00:29:09 < Laurenceb_> wtf ST
2012-08-27T00:29:11 < Laurenceb_>  const uint32_t SystemFrequency_APB1Clk = (SYSCLK_FREQ_72MHz/2);  /*!< APB Peripheral bus 1 (low)  speed   */
2012-08-27T00:29:23 < Laurenceb_> in CMSIS_CM3
2012-08-27T00:29:31 < Laurenceb_> but nowhere does it actually set it
2012-08-27T00:29:36 < Laurenceb_> mental
2012-08-27T00:30:37 < Steffanx_> "= (SYSCLK_FREQ_72MHz/2)" isn't enough for you?
2012-08-27T00:30:58 < Laurenceb_> erm it has to set it in systeminit
2012-08-27T00:31:09 < Laurenceb_> everything else is setup
2012-08-27T00:31:32 < Laurenceb_> no wonder spi2 is breaking
2012-08-27T00:33:41 < zyp> huh?
2012-08-27T00:34:12 < Laurenceb_> the cmsis_cm3 systeminit code doesnt set the prescaler
2012-08-27T00:34:33 < Laurenceb_> even tho it sets SystemFrequency_APB1Clk
2012-08-27T00:34:58 < zyp> you're just misreading/misunderstanding something
2012-08-27T00:35:46 < Laurenceb_> do i have to set the prescaler myself then?
2012-08-27T00:35:56 < zyp> what prescaler where?
2012-08-27T00:36:25 < Laurenceb_> between AHB and APB1
2012-08-27T00:36:56 < zyp> that should be done by the startup code, at the same time it's enabling PLL and stuff like that
2012-08-27T00:37:22 < Laurenceb_> thats my point
2012-08-27T00:37:23 < Laurenceb_> its not
2012-08-27T00:38:09 < Steffanx_> Sure?
2012-08-27T00:38:16 < zyp> are you sure? it goes into RCC_CFGR along with the other sysclock options
2012-08-27T00:39:04 < zyp> if you want to verify you could just dump that in the debugger and see
2012-08-27T00:39:52 < Laurenceb_> oh wait
2012-08-27T00:40:14 < Laurenceb_> i think i rewrote that function so you could #define the xternal xtal frequency
2012-08-27T00:40:22 < Laurenceb_> i probably broke something
2012-08-27T00:40:27 < Steffanx_> :D :D
2012-08-27T00:40:29 < zyp> oh
2012-08-27T00:40:40 < Laurenceb_> :P
2012-08-27T00:40:49 < zyp> well, if you are running APB1 at 72 MHz, you could get lots of problems
2012-08-27T00:41:02 < Laurenceb_> suprisingly the timers all work fine
2012-08-27T00:41:14 < Laurenceb_> but this would explain why my uSD card breaks
2012-08-27T00:41:21 < zyp> yes, it could
2012-08-27T00:41:52 < Laurenceb_> - i got confused about the spi prescaler and didnt realise what the APB1 clk was at the time
2012-08-27T00:42:04 < Laurenceb_> but i scoped the spi and the spi clk was correct
2012-08-27T00:42:24 < Laurenceb_> but the peripheral was still overclocked, which could explain why it somethings has glitches
2012-08-27T00:42:45 < Laurenceb_> like returning intermittent 0x02
2012-08-27T00:46:53 < Laurenceb_> *sometimes
2012-08-27T00:47:46 < Steffanx_> TheAdventuresOfLaurenceb.com :P
2012-08-27T00:50:16 < Laurenceb_>    RCC->CFGR |= (uint32_t)RCC_CFGR_PPRE1_DIV2;
2012-08-27T00:50:20 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2012-08-27T00:56:50 < Laurenceb_> something is very screwed
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2012-08-27T01:06:15 < Laurenceb_> definitely 4.5MHz clk with prescale of 16
2012-08-27T01:06:48 < zyp> which timer?
2012-08-27T01:08:36 < Laurenceb_> timers 2,3 and 4
2012-08-27T01:08:41 < Laurenceb_> all of the,
2012-08-27T01:08:48 < Laurenceb_> *them
2012-08-27T01:09:02 < Laurenceb_> i dont have swd to hand to check the RCC register
2012-08-27T01:09:09 < Laurenceb_> will have to take a look
2012-08-27T01:10:00 < zyp> oh, wait
2012-08-27T01:10:16 < zyp> the timers are still running at 72 MHz even if the bus are 36 MHz
2012-08-27T01:10:50 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2012-08-27T01:11:15 < Laurenceb_> oh
2012-08-27T01:11:15 < zyp> have a look at the clock tree again
2012-08-27T01:11:26 < zyp> there is a multiplier in front of the timer input clock
2012-08-27T01:11:35 < Erlkoenig> the clock tree documentation is... unhelpful
2012-08-27T01:11:43 < Laurenceb_> oh "else x2"
2012-08-27T01:12:10 < Erlkoenig> clocks in the tree figure have different names than in the rest of the docs...
2012-08-27T01:12:12 < zyp> yes, so if the APB prescaler is enabled, timer clock will be doubled
2012-08-27T01:12:28 < Laurenceb_> well... on the +ive side that explains why it works and means OFDMworks
2012-08-27T01:12:40 < Laurenceb_> on the -ive side it doesnt explain my spi2 issues
2012-08-27T01:15:19 < Laurenceb_> thanx for the help
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2012-08-27T01:30:47 < Laurenceb_> infected
2012-08-27T01:31:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhOn9vpr2TU
2012-08-27T01:32:38 < Laurenceb_> didnt know he was into stm
2012-08-27T01:35:19 < Steffanx_> Yeah, great music Laurenceb_ :)
2012-08-27T01:35:47 < Laurenceb_> and hes on #stm32  ^
2012-08-27T01:36:22 < Steffanx_> ##stm32
2012-08-27T01:38:30 < emeb> Hmm. Cheezy trance.
2012-08-27T01:38:42 < emeb> 'scuze me - tarnce. :P
2012-08-27T01:39:10 < Steffanx_> Don't tell me you're into heavy metal and crap...
2012-08-27T01:39:20 < emeb> Not that.
2012-08-27T01:39:27 < Steffanx_> ok ok :P
2012-08-27T01:39:55 < emeb> I've got plenty of cheezy tarnce in my collection. Just honest about it being cheezy. :)
2012-08-27T01:40:35 < Steffanx_> And why this 'typo'?
2012-08-27T01:41:12 < emeb> Just what one of musician buddies calls it.
2012-08-27T01:43:38 < cjbaird> Sounds like PS2 game music..
2012-08-27T01:44:16 < cjbaird> An improvement over Gen-Yers trying to do 'chiptunes', but...
2012-08-27T01:44:52 < Steffanx_> Mr. oldguy is complaining (again)?
2012-08-27T01:46:29 < cjbaird> yep
2012-08-27T01:47:34 < emeb> funny how "8-bit" has become synonymous with pixelated/aliased sound and images.
2012-08-27T01:47:38 < cjbaird> Stop plagiarizing our shit and claiming it as 'creativity'...
2012-08-27T01:48:16 < emeb> you don't have to do original art - just mashup someone else's art.
2012-08-27T01:49:22 < cjbaird> peeve: "8 bit" pixel art that's any combination of 24-bit truecolour values through together. "But i didn't use more than 16...64 colours!"
2012-08-27T01:50:36 < emeb> also, too - make it really blocky and lo-res.
2012-08-27T01:51:53 < cjbaird> and something that was Old even in the 1980s: wannabe street-art pics
2012-08-27T01:53:13 < Steffanx_> bladie bla :P
2012-08-27T01:54:41 < emeb> don't like all the cane-shaking?
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2012-08-27T01:55:24 < Steffanx_> Old guy talk
2012-08-27T01:55:53 < emeb> Just wait. One day you'll find yourself doing it too. :)
2012-08-27T01:56:08 < Steffanx_> Yeah, who knows
2012-08-27T01:56:46 < Steffanx_> Maybe i'll be forever young, who knows
2012-08-27T01:56:48 < cjbaird> He'll get upset when they remake the Scott Pilgrim movie in 15 years..
2012-08-27T01:57:33 < Steffanx_> Ha, never heard of that ? until now
2012-08-27T01:58:10 < emeb> lol
2012-08-27T01:58:38 < Vutral> mhm
2012-08-27T02:00:24 < cjbaird> Ha-- I expect a 2027 movie remake would probably be big on showing off iPhones & etc. as retro :D
2012-08-27T02:01:40 < cjbaird> 78% [=============================>         ] 65,404,065   270B/s  eta 11h 54m .. woohoo! it's picked up the pace!
2012-08-27T02:02:16 < Steffanx_> Still busy?!
2012-08-27T02:03:24 < Erlkoenig> whatcha downloading - something from MSDNAA? :D
2012-08-27T02:04:43 < Steffanx_> Tomorrow someone from ethz.ch sees the slow connection
2012-08-27T02:04:57 < cjbaird> ..and resets the machine :/
2012-08-27T02:05:05 < Steffanx_> and resets it .. cjbaird can start over again :D
2012-08-27T02:05:23 < Steffanx_> @ 5KB/s
2012-08-27T02:05:25 < cjbaird> And the webserver doesn't handle resume-- I've checked.
2012-08-27T02:05:25 < Erlkoenig> tja die schweizer, die sind komisch
2012-08-27T02:05:55 < Steffanx_> You are an expert uh Erlkoenig ?
2012-08-27T02:06:28 < Erlkoenig> expert? on swiss people? nah, seeing a few suffices xD
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2012-08-27T02:09:19 < cjbaird> Erlkoenig: I'd show you the link to the site, but then everyone would try to download it as well, and slow me up even more :P ... It's an install iso image for the A2 System-- the latest and greatest operating system research platform from the Pascal/Modula/Oberon people.
2012-08-27T02:10:01 < Erlkoenig> uh
2012-08-27T02:10:10 < Erlkoenig> i'm currently in switzerland, with a DSL connection
2012-08-27T02:11:05 < Erlkoenig> i could donwload it - if its fast from here - and let you download it from me on thursday, using my 100mbit DFN connection from home ;-)
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2012-08-27T02:11:27 < cjbaird> Someone through it was a Good Idea to let the main A2 site hosted on an A2 system..
2012-08-27T02:11:57 < emeb> drinking their own kool-aide?
2012-08-27T02:12:07 < cjbaird> "dogfooding", as Microsoft calls it..
2012-08-27T02:12:51 < cjbaird> you could try it, but other Yoorope people have seen the same speeds.. http://www.a2.ethz.ch/downloads/A2CD.zip
2012-08-27T02:13:04 < Erlkoenig> don't be sad, the MSDNAA download servers are worse... around 70% or something, the downloads crash, you can resume, but the files are *always* corrupt. also, you can't use a real downlaod manger, because the files are encrypted, and mircrosoft's download manager & decrypter wants to download them themselves
2012-08-27T02:13:44 < cjbaird> I started with 2400bps network connections, so this is nostalgia-goggles for me. :)
2012-08-27T02:14:06 < Erlkoenig> server doesn't even respond...
2012-08-27T02:16:31 < emeb> cjbaird: you had 2400bps - why in my day we had 300bps and were glad!
2012-08-27T02:17:06 < Laurenceb_> wtf is MSDNAA?
2012-08-27T02:17:15 < Laurenceb_> some kind of trolling syndicate again?
2012-08-27T02:17:19 < cjbaird> poorfags gonna poor. I saved up the extra $400 dollars for faster modem. :)
2012-08-27T02:17:46 < Erlkoenig> MSDNAA is microsoft's university program... studies of cooperating(=paying) universities get most MS products for free
2012-08-27T02:17:53 < Erlkoenig> if they manage to download them, tough
2012-08-27T02:17:56 < Laurenceb_> hahaha
2012-08-27T02:17:58 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2012-08-27T02:18:06 < Laurenceb_> why would you want that trash?
2012-08-27T02:18:20 < Erlkoenig> sometimes one unfortunately needs windows
2012-08-27T02:18:41 < Erlkoenig> and having visual studio might come handy sometimes too
2012-08-27T02:18:54 < Erlkoenig> and if you get it for free... ;)
2012-08-27T02:20:04 < cjbaird> The time used to keep those pos system running isn't, though :P
2012-08-27T02:20:46 < Erlkoenig> hmm until now my windows didn't have any major problems...
2012-08-27T02:21:27 < qyx_> "for free" actually means for (and only for
2012-08-27T02:21:35 < qyx_> running their development environments
2012-08-27T02:21:45 < Erlkoenig> when i started with stm32, it was very nice i could just use the free version of atollic studio and get the "hello worlds" running without the hassle of setting up a free linux-based toolchain...
2012-08-27T02:22:24 < Erlkoenig> qyx_: nobody forbids to run games on that? :D
2012-08-27T02:22:45 < emeb> Erlkoenig: Atollic still has a free version. Size limited though...
2012-08-27T02:23:03 < Erlkoenig> yeah i know, but it's windows-only ;)
2012-08-27T02:23:25 < emeb> Ah - there was a linux version of Atollic?
2012-08-27T02:23:27 < Erlkoenig> so in that case having windows had some advantage :)
2012-08-27T02:23:33 < Erlkoenig> emeb: not that i knew
2012-08-27T02:23:54 < emeb> sorry - misunderstood.
2012-08-27T02:24:14 < Erlkoenig> i was arguing why it makes sense to (also) have windows ;)
2012-08-27T02:24:53 < emeb> yep. Got a Win7 machine just for those cases.
2012-08-27T02:25:48 < emeb> not that setting up a linux ARM toolchain is all that hard. That's what I'm using now.
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2012-08-27T02:27:13 < Erlkoenig> yeah i have a free toolchain now too, but it's nice to at least get a LED blinking without hours of fiddling *g*
2012-08-27T02:28:16 < Erlkoenig> btw, what startup code and linker script do you use for the STM32F4? self-written? i copied the one from atollic (which originally seems to come from ST) and it works with "normal" arm-gcc
2012-08-27T02:29:10 < emeb> Yeah - grabbed the startup files & linker script out of the ST examples.
2012-08-27T02:29:33 < emeb> Needed some tweaking for my clock hardware, but otherwise works fine.
2012-08-27T02:31:41 < Erlkoenig> uhm, the examples contain code for various proprietary toolchains... which one did you choose?
2012-08-27T02:32:55 < emeb> my startup_stm32f4xx.s says "STM32F4xx Devices vector table for RIDE7 toolchain."
2012-08-27T02:33:35 < emeb> system_stm32f4xx.c looks like it's generic
2012-08-27T02:34:16 < emeb> linker script has 'no distinguishing features'
2012-08-27T02:35:04 < Erlkoenig> ah, the ride7 one looks similar to the true studio one, but e.g. the IAR one is completely different
2012-08-27T02:35:23 < emeb> Oh yeah - Ride and Atollic are both GCC based.
2012-08-27T02:35:35 < emeb> IAR, Keil, etc are proprietary.
2012-08-27T02:35:54 < Erlkoenig> aah that's why
2012-08-27T02:36:24 < Erlkoenig> is your linker script the "stm32_flash.ld" one?
2012-08-27T02:36:50 < Erlkoenig> and happens to be suitable for the F4 Discovery?
2012-08-27T02:37:09 < emeb> Yep
2012-08-27T02:37:50 < Erlkoenig> there's a bug in that one, which occurs sometimes when using C++... described it here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.binutils/57524
2012-08-27T02:39:37 < emeb> wonder if it's in the script or in ld?
2012-08-27T02:40:14 < Erlkoenig> i think it's a 'feature' of LD, and the script doesn't "know" about it...
2012-08-27T02:40:39 < emeb> could be version dependent - I'm not on Windows w/ the launchpad.net toolchain.
2012-08-27T02:41:08 < Erlkoenig> i think it appeared on linux, and with the true studio version as well
2012-08-27T02:41:45 < emeb> Guess I'd have to look at the map & dumps to know if it's a problem for me.
2012-08-27T02:41:46 < Erlkoenig> if you click "(Continue reading)" you see a link to a testcase ;)
2012-08-27T02:42:01 < emeb> yeah - already there.
2012-08-27T02:43:23 < emeb> Any follow-up on that?
2012-08-27T02:43:46 < Erlkoenig> well i found out myself what the problem was, and wrote an answer
2012-08-27T02:44:11 < Erlkoenig> just a tiny modification to the .ld script fixes it
2012-08-27T02:44:56 < emeb> _sidata = ADDR (.data);
2012-08-27T02:45:15 < Erlkoenig> no - LOADADDR
2012-08-27T02:45:23 < Erlkoenig>  _sidata = LOADADDR (.data);
2012-08-27T02:45:48 < Erlkoenig> else you get the adress in the SRAM...
2012-08-27T02:46:09 < Laurenceb_> lLOLADDR
2012-08-27T02:47:04 < emeb> OK - so I see a line in the original file : "_sidata = .;"
2012-08-27T02:47:17 < Erlkoenig> yes, that's the problem
2012-08-27T02:47:20 < Erlkoenig> you got to remove that
2012-08-27T02:47:21 < emeb> replace w/ "_sidata = LOADADDR (.data);" ?
2012-08-27T02:48:23 < emeb> ld spews this: stm32f407.ld:86: nonconstant expression for load base
2012-08-27T02:49:05 < Erlkoenig> uhm
2012-08-27T02:50:24 < Erlkoenig> the new line has to go after that ".data" section
2012-08-27T02:50:33 < Erlkoenig> http://pastebin.com/p5BHhG1B    this is my current working ld script
2012-08-27T02:51:07 < Erlkoenig> i just wonder why noone found this problem before...
2012-08-27T02:52:00 < emeb> Hmm - doesn't look the same as mine.
2012-08-27T02:52:28 < emeb> your data section has no "arguments"
2012-08-27T02:52:52 < emeb> mine says :     .data : AT ( _sidata )
2012-08-27T02:52:52 < emeb> with _sidata defined prior as .
2012-08-27T02:53:55 < Erlkoenig> uuuh
2012-08-27T02:53:56 < Erlkoenig> waaat
2012-08-27T02:54:27 < Erlkoenig> oh
2012-08-27T02:54:33 < emeb> Here's mine: http://pastebin.com/5nG2L2my
2012-08-27T02:54:48 < Erlkoenig> that's an alternative fix, which i also tried and works, but i thought it would be less clean
2012-08-27T02:55:13 < emeb> Ah - well, it's been a while since I set this up. No idea where that came from...
2012-08-27T02:55:36 < Erlkoenig> nooooooo
2012-08-27T02:55:48 < Erlkoenig> you got your code from the newer ST Library
2012-08-27T02:56:04 < Erlkoenig> my code comes from the True Studio Template
2012-08-27T02:56:15 < Erlkoenig> which seems to use the older example code from ST, including that bug
2012-08-27T02:56:40 < Erlkoenig> that explains why noone else fell for that
2012-08-27T02:56:55 < emeb> I got my code from "STM32F4-Discovery_FW_V1.1.0" back in October '11
2012-08-27T02:57:01 < Erlkoenig> well at least now i know something about linker scripts -.-
2012-08-27T02:57:43 < emeb> Yay! Lets hear it for good revision control on the ST website.
2012-08-27T02:58:27 < Erlkoenig> grrr...
2012-08-27T02:58:41 < Erlkoenig> well uhm i'm going to bed now i think...
2012-08-27T02:58:52 < Erlkoenig> good night or whatever time of the day you have ;-)
2012-08-27T02:59:02 < emeb> 16:58 here
2012-08-27T02:59:14 < Erlkoenig> 02:00 ;-)
2012-08-27T02:59:25 < Erlkoenig> gnite...
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2012-08-27T03:05:53 < Laurenceb_> maybe i should sleep
2012-08-27T03:06:33 < Laurenceb_> but its only 1am
2012-08-27T03:07:49 < Laurenceb_> in other news i worked out OFDM
2012-08-27T03:08:07 < Laurenceb_> timer3 gates timer2 which gates timer4
2012-08-27T03:08:17 < Laurenceb_> using master/slave gating off OC channels
2012-08-27T03:09:23 < Laurenceb_> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32F3DISCOVERY/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduikpRt0bOqlauLkLZe4ffg5z66J2ezyhj0%3d
2012-08-27T03:09:25 < Laurenceb_> nice
2012-08-27T03:12:32 < cjbaird> The STM8SVL-Discovery is new?
2012-08-27T03:13:10 < Laurenceb_> dunno
2012-08-27T03:13:14 < Laurenceb_> stm32f3 is :P
2012-08-27T03:13:33 < Laurenceb_> interesting - the stm32L is avaliable in lqfp32
2012-08-27T03:13:39 < Laurenceb_> small and easy to solder XD
2012-08-27T03:13:44 < cjbaird> the stm8slv just appeared on E14's catalogue
2012-08-27T03:20:05 < Laurenceb_> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Olimex-Ltd/BATTERY-LIPO-1400mA/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtE4ePzUE8d2JwjvPtc1tM%252b
2012-08-27T03:20:14 < Laurenceb_> a lipo from mouser - amazing
2012-08-27T03:22:51 < dongs> sup blogs
2012-08-27T03:24:09 < Laurenceb_> trolling
2012-08-27T03:28:29 < dongs> jre7u5 for windows = 21megs.. 7u6 = 31megs...
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2012-08-27T03:34:43 < dongs> Status: installing  Java
2012-08-27T03:34:50 < dongs> 3 billion devices run java.
2012-08-27T03:37:26 < Laurenceb_> 3billion fails
2012-08-27T03:38:32 < dongs> tru
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2012-08-27T09:16:44 <+izua> he taught us to count
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2012-08-27T13:07:06 < cjbaird> \o/ .. http://kildall.apana.org.au/~cjb/A2/
2012-08-27T13:09:51 <+Steffanx> Time to mirror the whole site cjbaird :P
2012-08-27T13:14:31 <+izua> o_O he really took my advice
2012-08-27T13:14:40 <+Steffanx> Who? What? Where?
2012-08-27T13:15:49 <+izua> The Internet is Full. Go away.
2012-08-27T13:16:22 <+izua> nice welcome message.
2012-08-27T13:16:41 <+Steffanx> cjbaird, has some fancy "stop bots" extension ?
2012-08-27T13:16:46 <+Steffanx> http://kildall.apana.org.au/~cjb/A2/A2CD.zip__I_LIKE_DOWNLOADING_LARGE_FILES__ :S
2012-08-27T13:17:34 < cjbaird> patent-pending
2012-08-27T13:19:49 <+Steffanx> What do you want with this OS btw, cjbaird ?
2012-08-27T13:19:50 <+Steffanx> ?
2012-08-27T13:20:38 <+izua> transfer files to other people at painstakingly new low speeds
2012-08-27T13:21:41 < cjbaird> Mostly just to see what they've done with language design. Active Oberon has concurrency ideas that do away with semaphores and signals.
2012-08-27T13:22:50 < cjbaird> The bare-iron Oberon system they released was quite nice-- certainly a lot more usable than Plan9. :P
2012-08-27T13:25:05 < dongs> sup cjbeard
2012-08-27T13:25:33 < dongs> .xz? what bullshit opensores format is that
2012-08-27T13:26:47 < dongs> Of course this page is hosted on a server running A2.
2012-08-27T13:26:50 < dongs> ^ found the problem
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2012-08-27T13:31:50 <+Steffanx> http://www.naffets.nl/share/Downloads-20120827-123117.jpg 0.5MB/s .. my ass
2012-08-27T13:32:58 < dongs> wat
2012-08-27T13:33:00 < zyp> dongs will be proud of me now
2012-08-27T13:33:05 < zyp> I just got a windows computer
2012-08-27T13:33:15 <+Steffanx> Congratz
2012-08-27T13:33:23 < dongs> now you can get some work done finally!
2012-08-27T13:33:27 <+Steffanx> And how does it feel dongs ?
2012-08-27T13:33:31 <+Steffanx> * zyp
2012-08-27T13:33:57 < zyp> I haven't gotten that far yet, still waiting for it to log on
2012-08-27T13:34:10 < dongs> so funny!
2012-08-27T13:34:19 <+izua> i think it's like the first time you run kde
2012-08-27T13:34:34 <+izua> well, at least the old kde3 (damn i miss that)
2012-08-27T13:34:40 <+izua> and you had to run that widget setup wizard
2012-08-27T13:34:45 < dongs> first time you run KDE you open it up to a huge german turd in the center of your screen
2012-08-27T13:34:49 < dongs> steaming
2012-08-27T13:35:22 < dongs> (most users proceed with leaving that on, since thats along the interests of most KDE/Lunix users)
2012-08-27T13:35:59 <+izua> lol
2012-08-27T13:41:52 < BrainDamage> how do you know it's german?
2012-08-27T13:43:25 <+Steffanx> dongs knows a lot
2012-08-27T13:44:04 <+Steffanx> He has a lot of useless knowledge :P
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2012-08-27T16:17:06 < dongs> attn Laurenceb_ http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/
2012-08-27T16:21:52 <+Steffanx> Yeah, they failed dongs
2012-08-27T16:21:59 <+Steffanx> They sent out wrong keys
2012-08-27T16:22:25 < jpa-> they sent out the keys to Steffanx's appartment
2012-08-27T16:23:41 <+Steffanx> too bad i don't live in an appartment
2012-08-27T16:24:10 < jpa-> ah, under the bridge
2012-08-27T16:24:53 <+Steffanx> Yes, in the box next to yours
2012-08-27T16:25:17 < jpa-> but mine has 1Gbps fiber
2012-08-27T16:27:46 <+Steffanx> I have space.. no wife to share my box with
2012-08-27T16:28:10 < jpa-> but the giant box of kleenex does take a lion's share
2012-08-27T16:28:34 <+Steffanx> Hows the ballbot going?
2012-08-27T16:28:53 < jpa-> i'm very lazy
2012-08-27T16:28:57 < jpa-> nothings happening about it
2012-08-27T16:29:07 < jpa-> it's staring me angrily from the far end of my desk
2012-08-27T16:31:50 <+Steffanx> dongs don't wants to watch mpeg2 videos on his rpi?
2012-08-27T16:31:55 <+Steffanx> *with his rpi
2012-08-27T16:32:14 <+Steffanx> Soon it'll do h.264 encoding too
2012-08-27T16:32:55 < cjbaird> mpeg2 -- enemy of your freedom!
2012-08-27T16:33:01 <+Steffanx> blabalbla
2012-08-27T16:33:20 <+Steffanx> I don't care about 3 euro
2012-08-27T16:35:22 < cjbaird> paying to watch pirated movies.. :p
2012-08-27T16:37:50 <+Steffanx> Sure, if that's what you want to believe
2012-08-27T16:38:52 <+Steffanx> What's the difference anyway? pirated movies - 3 euro = better?
2012-08-27T16:44:00 < dongs> still no sign of F3 reference manual
2012-08-27T16:44:12 <+Steffanx> Pirated videos with 'open source' videocodec. .. yay!
2012-08-27T16:44:12 < dongs> shoulda whored that stuff from the guy who claimed he had it
2012-08-27T16:44:12 < dongs> ntfreak: ^ beep
2012-08-27T16:46:34 < dongs> http://www.raspberrypi.com/compare/9/8
2012-08-27T16:46:49 <+Steffanx> yes dongs ?
2012-08-27T16:46:50 < dongs> wowo i just cant decide which to choose
2012-08-27T16:47:00 <+Steffanx> get both :P
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2012-08-27T16:48:54 <+Steffanx> or VC1 from your fav. company, dongs
2012-08-27T16:51:38 <+Steffanx> BTW .. for someone who doesn't care about the rpi, you care way too much
2012-08-27T16:51:49 < dongs> just rewteeting from another channel
2012-08-27T16:51:52 < dongs> mine is on order
2012-08-27T16:52:03 < dongs> to be delivered in like october 2013
2012-08-27T16:52:12 <+Steffanx> Ha, i have mine for at least 3 months now
2012-08-27T16:52:18 <+Steffanx> *almost
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2012-08-27T16:55:53 <+Steffanx> Give me your address and i'll sent a copy
2012-08-27T16:56:39 < dongs> not sure i want photocopy of your butt, Steffanx
2012-08-27T16:57:17 <+Steffanx> You as ex-GNAA don't like white asses now?
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2012-08-27T17:00:30 <+Steffanx> Hmm, dongs and his bad influence
2012-08-27T17:00:45 < dongs> watch feurig /ragequit again
2012-08-27T17:01:47 <+Steffanx> uh?
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2012-08-27T17:18:15 < Laurenceb_> rpi is almost useful now
2012-08-27T17:18:31 < Laurenceb_> they need graphics acceleration before its no longer a joke
2012-08-27T17:18:50 < Laurenceb_> the CEC demo vid is quite impressive
2012-08-27T17:19:04 < karlp> well, that's just what CEC is meant to do.
2012-08-27T17:19:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/v9SQf.gif typical japanese activity
2012-08-27T17:19:15 < dongs> uh, cec demo vid?
2012-08-27T17:19:22 < dongs> my $0.80 STM8 can do CEC sorry
2012-08-27T17:20:29 <+Steffanx> See you like white butts
2012-08-27T17:22:55 < zyp> just not your
2012-08-27T17:24:16 < dongs> rejected.
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2012-08-27T17:26:19 <+Steffanx> Can your stm32 decode h264 video too.. with a 1080p res and a reasonable frame rate?
2012-08-27T17:26:23 <+Steffanx> *stm8
2012-08-27T17:26:49 < dongs> no but i dont want it to either
2012-08-27T17:31:46 < claude_work> oh nice , CEC with Python binding ;) : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=15593&p=158409&hilit=cec_client#p158409
2012-08-27T17:34:01 < karlp> that's a python binding?
2012-08-27T17:34:06 < karlp> os.system?
2012-08-27T17:35:43 < claude_work> nah
2012-08-27T17:36:24 < claude_work> i was just amused of using python to execute a shell script
2012-08-27T17:36:41 < dongs> python is already dumb. using it to do even dumber shit, is, well, natura.
2012-08-27T17:36:42 < dongs> l
2012-08-27T17:37:09 <+Steffanx> Tha master has spoken!
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2012-08-27T18:22:13 < cjbaird> unicode wut: ⚢ ⚣
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2012-08-27T18:23:21 < karlp> vero shouldn't be arcing unless you had some dodgy arse soldering.
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2012-08-27T18:28:17 <+Steffanx> unicode doesn't "discriminate" cjbaird
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2012-08-27T18:41:24 < claude_work> ♨ ?
2012-08-27T18:41:56 < zippe> 💩
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2012-08-27T19:00:46 <+Steffanx> ?
2012-08-27T19:03:00 < emeb> xi
2012-08-27T19:06:21 < Laurenceb_> ox01F4A9 eh?
2012-08-27T19:06:25 < Laurenceb_> *0x
2012-08-27T19:07:22 < Laurenceb_> dongs is ⚢ ⚣
2012-08-27T19:07:28 <+Steffanx> Both?
2012-08-27T19:07:45 < cjbaird> 'If you whine long enough, you can get your very own unicode symbol!' ⚧
2012-08-27T19:08:05 < claude_work> mushrooms on top?
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2012-08-27T19:13:55 < BrainDamage> I guess unicode has so much space they could throw in whatever idiocy crossed their mind
2012-08-27T19:14:47 < Erlkoenig> so why do so many people still refuse utf8 :D
2012-08-27T19:18:06 < BrainDamage> more than refuse
2012-08-27T19:18:20 < BrainDamage> why do so many systems still default to latin-1
2012-08-27T19:18:23 < BrainDamage> is the actual question
2012-08-27T19:18:47 < BrainDamage> most people don't even know wtf an encoding is, and arguably, they shouldn't care
2012-08-27T19:20:00 < Erlkoenig> expecially the java webchat applets... it shouldn't be so difficult to use utf in java...
2012-08-27T19:21:42 < cjbaird> If you're not smart enough to learn English, you should stay the hell away from computers.. Monolingual people are only useful to the Advertnet.
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2012-08-27T19:22:58 <+Steffanx> bb
2012-08-27T19:26:46 < Erlkoenig> wat. what has learning english to do with unicode?!
2012-08-27T19:27:15 <+Steffanx> unicode is fucked up, so is english
2012-08-27T19:28:37 < karlp> I like fruit, therefore bears are made of cheese?
2012-08-27T19:28:57 <+Steffanx> :)
2012-08-27T19:34:29 < emeb> must be a philosophy major.
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2012-08-27T19:41:09 < Laurenceb_> ⚧ = 2 dicks and one pussy?
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2012-08-27T19:56:02 < emeb> No - it's a lady with umbrellas
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2012-08-27T19:59:54 < Erlkoenig> (18:27:14) Steffanx: unicode is fucked up, so is english <- whats bad about unicode?
2012-08-27T20:00:37 < karlp> pay no attention to the mad dutchmen
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2012-08-27T20:07:34 <+Steffanx> What karlp said Erlkoenig
2012-08-27T20:07:58 < Erlkoenig> okay Oo
2012-08-27T20:21:44 < BrainDamage> http://hackaday.com/2012/08/27/theres-trouble-brewin-on-the-ol-kickstarter-site/ this gave me a good laugh
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2012-08-27T20:38:43 <+Steffanx> isn't that a description of the avarage ks project BrainDamage ?
2012-08-27T20:40:08 < BrainDamage> no, the average ks project is either: a) impossible, b) overpriced c) reinventing the wheel with reinvented tools
2012-08-27T20:40:56 < Laurenceb_> or d) self glorifying bullshit
2012-08-27T20:41:30 < Laurenceb_> or e) idiotic faddish nonsense
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2012-08-27T20:43:50 < Thorn> we need to write a phrase generator along that pattern
2012-08-27T20:44:05 < Laurenceb_> haha
2012-08-27T20:44:17 < Laurenceb_> random kickstarter project generator
2012-08-27T20:45:01 < Laurenceb_> a node.js python extension to allow the occupy movement to discuss Julian Assange
2012-08-27T20:49:24 < Laurenceb_> yo dawg, we heard you like kickstarter, so im going to use kickstarter to fund development of a spoof kickstarter
2012-08-27T20:54:32 <+Steffanx> It needs to involve something with laurduino Laurenceb_
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2012-08-27T21:20:41 <+izua> Laurenceb_: https://xkcd.com/1055/
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2012-08-27T22:00:50 < Laurenceb_> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/ukhas/963388iQqMQ
2012-08-27T22:00:54 < Laurenceb_> ill leave this here
2012-08-27T22:02:25 <+Steffanx> As in .. look nice project/price or .. look spam!
2012-08-27T22:02:43 < Laurenceb_> price is good
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2012-08-27T23:23:52 < Laurenceb_> can you slave more than one timer off one master?
2012-08-27T23:24:09 < Laurenceb_> datasheet is unclear but periph library suggests so...
2012-08-27T23:25:09 < Erlkoenig> at least my master has multiple slaves, yes
2012-08-27T23:26:48 < Laurenceb_> ok
2012-08-27T23:26:57 < Laurenceb_> that sounds a little wrong :P
2012-08-27T23:27:32 < Erlkoenig> do i sense catholic puristic prejudices?!!?
2012-08-27T23:27:38 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-27T23:31:41  * emeb once read a memo from a large tech corp. suggesting the term master/slave was insensitive and alternatives be found.
2012-08-27T23:31:50 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-27T23:32:10 < Laurenceb_> anyway, being serious, has anyone used multiple slave timers off the same master timer?
2012-08-27T23:32:38 < Erlkoenig> emeb: what, it's more fun this way :P
2012-08-27T23:44:28 < Erlkoenig> i'd suggest the terms "top/sub".
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2012-08-28T00:50:26 < emeb> ew
2012-08-28T00:52:18 < emeb> at least it wasn't Steve Buscemi's face they shooped...
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2012-08-28T02:33:01 < dongs> sup trolls
2012-08-28T02:37:31 < emeb> jus trolllin'
2012-08-28T03:16:18 < dongs> http://www.toshiba-components.com/microcontroller/TMPM370.html
2012-08-28T03:16:22 < dongs> ooOOOoooOooo
2012-08-28T03:16:33 < dongs> > Programmable motor drive (PMD) and vector engine (VE) by hardware
2012-08-28T03:16:46 < dongs> > Integrated analogue features like comparator, amplifier and encoder are saving additional external components.
2012-08-28T03:17:27 < dongs> > 12 bit AD converter: 2 units (22ch) ( conversion time 2.0 us)
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2012-08-28T05:30:15 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bc26/ambiolight-a-one-touch-room-makeover
2012-08-28T05:30:16 < dongs> lol
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2012-08-28T06:57:10 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcXNPI-IPPM is this typical norway activity
2012-08-28T07:10:15 < qyx_> lol that ambiolight
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2012-08-28T08:27:25 < emeb_mac> I thought die antwoord was south african.
2012-08-28T08:32:24 < dongs> how'd they find so many white niggers in south africa
2012-08-28T08:33:54 < emeb_mac> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaaner
2012-08-28T08:34:43 < dongs> that explains everything.
2012-08-28T09:04:41 < ABLomas> z.
2012-08-28T09:13:08 < dongs> status
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2012-08-28T09:21:48 < Tectu> out of memory
2012-08-28T09:22:03 < ABLomas> Abort, Retry, Ignore?
2012-08-28T09:22:13 < Tectu> i
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2012-08-28T09:43:17 < cjbaird> The year is 2012, and I just bought a calculator! :D
2012-08-28T09:54:33 < jpa-> why not just use a computer
2012-08-28T09:55:29 < cjbaird> Because.
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2012-08-28T09:56:15 < cjbaird> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_35s
2012-08-28T09:56:45 < R2COM> they are like 30$ if I'm correct
2012-08-28T09:56:55 < R2COM> I just have Casio
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2012-08-28T09:58:31 < emeb_mac> cjbaird: how you liking the 35?
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2012-08-28T09:58:48  * emeb_mac has been using a 33 for the past 10 years or so.
2012-08-28T10:02:17 < cjbaird> I have to get up to speed with using RPN again.. I was playing with HP calcs (loaners from the Physics dept..) 20 years ago.
2012-08-28T10:03:16 < emeb_mac> ah - I've been using RPN since, oh, 1981? Sheesh... Got a 41CV
2012-08-28T10:07:13 < cjbaird> In high-school I found a hidden cache of old Canon Nixie-tube programmable desktop calculators, and for a while I was sneaking in to write games on them :) (..I was banned from the Apple][s for a while :P)
2012-08-28T10:08:14 < cjbaird> aha, these: http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/canon164p.html .. They were -very- cool.
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2012-08-28T10:10:03 < emeb_mac> heh - Canola.
2012-08-28T10:11:09 < cjbaird> Someone's written a Canon simulator: http://canola.sourceforge.net/ .. I scanned some of my programming cards (with games, prime searching, quadratic solvers, etc.) and sent them to him, and he wrote a OCR utility.
2012-08-28T10:11:36 < emeb_mac> We had one of these in HS: http://oldcalculatormuseum.com/monroe1665.html
2012-08-28T10:16:03 < dongs> the correct answer is mare.
2012-08-28T10:16:18 < dongs> as in y/n/mare
2012-08-28T10:19:53 < cjbaird> The HP33s looks like complete ass... http://www.samsoncables.com/catalog/prodDetail.cfm?Prod_ID=363
2012-08-28T10:23:30 < emeb_mac> the "chevron" keyboard takes some getting used to.
2012-08-28T10:31:24 < emeb_mac> Bizarre - didn't realize they'd gone EOL.
2012-08-28T10:31:46 < emeb_mac> Funny how the price shoots up when HP discontinues them.
2012-08-28T10:33:52 < dongs> why would they allow one type vs another type of calculator during exams
2012-08-28T10:37:21 < cjbaird> Do they even still use calculators as a foundation of high-school maths courses these days.. "Now, everyone! Put down your iPads, and I'll hand out these 10-digit digital calculators for the class..."
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2012-08-28T11:33:30 < dongs> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/08/27/japanese-charity-breast-squeeze/ zyp was here
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2012-08-28T11:40:15 < zyp> ha
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2012-08-28T12:20:35 < karlp> hmm, mulder, still pretty good looking. scully without the hair, not so great. :(
2012-08-28T12:25:47 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/BM03B-GVHS-TB(LF)(SN)/455-2625-6-ND/2745205
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2012-08-28T12:25:52 < dongs> just how the fuck is this UNSHROUDED
2012-08-28T12:31:29 < dongs> hm, ill use 1.27mm instead
2012-08-28T12:31:33 < dongs> and bend some pinz
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2012-08-28T13:24:00 < dongs> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-i8-super-slim-gsm-card-phone-w-1-0-screen-quad-band-and-single-sim-light-green-138222?item=2
2012-08-28T13:32:32 < karlp> what exactly am I meant to do with that?
2012-08-28T13:33:27 < elektrinis> throw far away
2012-08-28T13:33:52 <+izua_> it's ugly even as a coaster or a brick
2012-08-28T13:35:15 <+izua_> heck
2012-08-28T13:35:22 <+izua_> even a fiat multipla looks pretty by comparison
2012-08-28T13:38:30 < elektrinis> ;]]
2012-08-28T13:40:46 < dongs> its a phone that can standby for weeks
2012-08-28T13:40:54 < dongs> and works great as a phone
2012-08-28T13:41:59 <+izua_> it can standby for 4 days
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2012-08-28T14:03:17 < dongs> start blogging
2012-08-28T14:03:50 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-28T14:06:41 < dongs> fucking skype is telling me to "discover skype on your iPad".
2012-08-28T14:06:48 < dongs> only one problem: I dont own that shit.
2012-08-28T14:07:03 < dongs> fail advertising is fail
2012-08-28T14:07:10 < karlp> isn't that the problem?
2012-08-28T14:07:24 < karlp> it's reminding you that you need an ipad before youcan truly be cool
2012-08-28T14:07:31 < dongs> riight
2012-08-28T14:07:37 <+Steffanx> or left
2012-08-28T14:09:53 <+Steffanx> A real internet guy is immune for ads, dongs
2012-08-28T14:16:42 < Tectu> dongs
2012-08-28T14:18:58 < nopcode_> well ipad is super nice
2012-08-28T14:19:02 <+Steffanx> jpa- you use an STM32L[something] didn't you? How 'low power' it really is?
2012-08-28T14:19:03 < nopcode_> and many people have one for that reason
2012-08-28T14:19:28 <+Steffanx> *used
2012-08-28T14:19:53 <+Steffanx> nopcode_ don't feed him :P
2012-08-28T14:21:13 < karlp> Steffanx: how low are you hoping for an answer?
2012-08-28T14:21:22 < karlp> (get the 32L discovery, it's awesome)
2012-08-28T14:21:33 < jpa-> Steffanx: 5-10mA when running (moderate set of peripherals), very low when sleeping
2012-08-28T14:21:41 <+Steffanx> HJmmpf :P
2012-08-28T14:21:57 < jpa-> ah, and that figure is at 24MHz
2012-08-28T14:22:04 < jpa-> so not very low power in operation
2012-08-28T14:22:23 < karlp> the latest datasheet has lots of figures on power consumption at different speeds and modes.
2012-08-28T14:22:25 <+Steffanx> karlp, just wonder how low it really gets.. datasheet vs jpa/user tests
2012-08-28T14:22:59 < jpa-> seems to agree quite well with the datasheet, actually
2012-08-28T14:23:26 < jpa-> at first i was a bit confused because of high power usage, but it turned out I had a few bugs elsewhere in the schematic
2012-08-28T14:23:53 < jpa-> USB takes a lot of power.. haven't bothered to figure out the sleep mode for it yet
2012-08-28T14:24:04 < jpa-> (a lot = 5mA or so)
2012-08-28T14:24:15 <+Steffanx> Yes, that's a lot for a low power device
2012-08-28T14:25:24 < jpa-> yeah, nothing like some of the low-power pics that take 0.1mA when running
2012-08-28T14:26:08 < zyp> does L1 have usb?
2012-08-28T14:26:11 < karlp> yep
2012-08-28T14:26:11 <+Steffanx> I'm not into PIC anyway
2012-08-28T14:26:14 < jpa-> zyp: it does, same as F1
2012-08-28T14:26:16 <+izua_> i think msp430 rule this area
2012-08-28T14:26:20 < zyp> ah
2012-08-28T14:26:32 < karlp> if you leave out the usb though, l1 is pretty low.
2012-08-28T14:26:35 < zyp> I was assuming it didn't, since L1discovery doesn't have a socket for it
2012-08-28T14:26:39 < jpa-> apparently stm32l151 goes down to 300µA if you clock it at 1MHz
2012-08-28T14:26:45 <+izua_> i recall some msp430 contraption with an lcd and two caps, which ran for quite some weeks
2012-08-28T14:26:47 < karlp> l1 discovery uses all the pins for the lcd
2012-08-28T14:27:03 <+Steffanx> What character is in between the 300 and A, jpa- ?
2012-08-28T14:27:08 < karlp> u
2012-08-28T14:27:09 < jpa-> micro
2012-08-28T14:27:16 < karlp> get a real terminal with a real charset man!
2012-08-28T14:27:43 <+izua_> karlp: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
2012-08-28T14:27:58 < jpa-> 50uA at 65kHz :P
2012-08-28T14:28:05 < zyp> power usage really have to be viewed in relation to actions performed
2012-08-28T14:28:29 < karlp> izua_: fine, two chars missing, but that's because my font just doesn't have them all. (ff09 and fe35)
2012-08-28T14:29:16 < zyp> how much power it uses at a given clock rate is not very interesting, what matters is average power when you wake up, do stuff, then go back to sleep
2012-08-28T14:30:07 < jpa-> zyp: yeah.. though in some tasks, it's difficult to sleep very deep
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2012-08-28T14:30:10 <+Steffanx> I see them all, so i don't know why i don't see that ? character
2012-08-28T14:30:35 < zyp> doing stuff slower means you are doing stuff for a longer duration of time
2012-08-28T14:30:35 <+Steffanx> anyway, not important :P
2012-08-28T14:30:37 < jpa-> and changing clock rate on the fly is quite a pain if you need to reconfigure the peripherals
2012-08-28T14:32:12 < zyp> jpa-, but that's very application specific
2012-08-28T14:32:25 < karlp> low power is fun
2012-08-28T14:32:32 < jpa-> hmm.. quite surprising, STM32F0 @ 24MHz without peripherals uses more power (7mA) than STM32L151 (5mA)
2012-08-28T14:32:54 < karlp> my current project is "low power" or will be,
2012-08-28T14:32:59 < karlp> battery operated at least.
2012-08-28T14:33:07 < karlp> but I'm just using an f100 at the moment.
2012-08-28T14:33:07 < zyp> jpa-, that's expected
2012-08-28T14:33:09 <+Steffanx> And it has to run for at least a year?
2012-08-28T14:33:20 < karlp> Steffanx: targetting 2 years on 2xaa
2012-08-28T14:33:26 <+Steffanx> Nice
2012-08-28T14:33:33 < karlp> but mostly just seeing how long I can go
2012-08-28T14:33:42 < karlp> using f100 because it's free from the box at work :)
2012-08-28T14:33:42 < zyp> jpa-, IIRC L1 uses some low power optimized process technology
2012-08-28T14:33:48 < karlp> but l1 is a pin compatible upgrade
2012-08-28T14:34:22 < karlp> will see how low I can get with just general ordinary power saving software first.
2012-08-28T14:34:28 < jpa-> yeah, and L1 has also adjustable core voltage.. F0 doesn't seem to, or atleast it is not exposed to user
2012-08-28T14:35:19 < karlp> L1 is nice, even if you don't need the power stuff. it's like a fixed f1.
2012-08-28T14:35:19 < jpa-> so i guess the only selling point of stm32f0 is that it is cheap
2012-08-28T14:35:29 < zyp> F0 uses less power than F1 because it's a simpler core, L1 uses less power than F1 because of process technology and stuff
2012-08-28T14:35:31 < karlp> all the newer periphs from teh f2/f4
2012-08-28T14:35:40 < zyp> that's why people are looking forward to the L0
2012-08-28T14:35:41 < zyp> :p
2012-08-28T14:35:41 < jpa-> karlp: indeed
2012-08-28T14:35:43 < karlp> l0 is coming out soon
2012-08-28T14:35:50 < jpa-> karlp: except F1-style USB
2012-08-28T14:36:08 < zyp> F1-style USB doesn't sound so bad
2012-08-28T14:36:15 < karlp> yeah, haven't used the usb on any of the devices, can't really speak about it
2012-08-28T14:36:51 < jpa-> yeah.. i'm not looking to develop my own USB drivers either, so it doesn't matter as long as chibios or something has support :P
2012-08-28T14:36:52 < zyp> I can't speak about the F1 USB, but it can't be worse than the OTG stuff :p
2012-08-28T14:37:38 < jpa-> apparently F4 full-speed usb is very complex
2012-08-28T14:37:56 < zyp> I'm currently in the process of cleaning up my USB code and splitting into generic and device specific stuff
2012-08-28T14:38:37 < zyp> I'm considering porting it to F1 when I'm done, as a proof of concept
2012-08-28T14:40:33 < zyp> the complexity of the USB controllers on F4 is not that bad, it's the quirks that are annoying
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2012-08-28T15:01:51 < dongs> lots of chats finally
2012-08-28T15:01:53 < dongs> lets see wahts new
2012-08-28T15:02:02 < dongs> Tectu: qsup
2012-08-28T15:02:42 < Tectu> dongs, zap
2012-08-28T15:02:56 <+Steffanx> Laser gun fight, Tectu ?
2012-08-28T15:03:36 < karlp> pew pew pew
2012-08-28T15:03:38 < Tectu> Steffanx, no
2012-08-28T15:03:41 < Tectu> Steffanx,
2012-08-28T15:03:47  * Tectu throws a lazergun at Steffanx 
2012-08-28T15:04:59 < Laurenceb> dongs: your video is blocked
2012-08-28T15:07:04 < Laurenceb> no pronz for me
2012-08-28T15:07:22 <+Steffanx> You have your own collection
2012-08-28T15:07:39 < Tectu> otherwise i am sure that Steffanx will share his
2012-08-28T15:07:50 <+Steffanx> internetz
2012-08-28T15:07:57 < karlp> !pornofortune redheads
2012-08-28T15:08:14 <+Steffanx> No one needs a local library anymore
2012-08-28T15:08:25 < karlp> I can haz internetz
2012-08-28T15:09:40 < Laurenceb> in onther news me timers are orthogonal
2012-08-28T15:09:46 < Laurenceb> using master/slave mode
2012-08-28T15:10:14 < Laurenceb> no interrupts or register hacks needed
2012-08-28T15:10:31 <+Steffanx> register hacks?
2012-08-28T15:10:50 < Laurenceb> stuffing fudged values into reload buffer
2012-08-28T15:10:51 < dongs> Laurenceb: haha
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2012-08-28T15:12:02 < Laurenceb> http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/129127109502236211.jpg
2012-08-28T15:12:47 < jpa-> i still don't quite understand how semen is supposed to block pipes :)
2012-08-28T15:12:58 < dongs> old
2012-08-28T15:13:06 < dongs> jpa-: try generating tons of it and check
2012-08-28T15:13:19 <+Steffanx> Some man shave you know :P
2012-08-28T15:13:28 < jpa-> dongs: wanna help?
2012-08-28T15:14:00 <+Steffanx> This channel is publicly logged , not good .. not good ..
2012-08-28T15:14:22 < jpa-> Steffanx: ah, yeah, i would have asked you first unless i already knew the answer
2012-08-28T15:14:25 < Laurenceb> ⚣
2012-08-28T15:15:14 < Erlkoenig> Laurenceb: thats whats happening in the showers, not f*pping
2012-08-28T15:19:46 < zyp> when you guys don't have anything interesting to say, you should just shut up
2012-08-28T15:20:07 < Erlkoenig> why is this not interesting? and btw, you don't have to read it
2012-08-28T15:20:30 < Thorn> http://oglaf.com/intermission2/1/
2012-08-28T15:21:28 < karlp> zyp: hah
2012-08-28T15:21:35 < karlp> that would be _sensible_
2012-08-28T15:21:42 < karlp> and clearly, that's not goign to happen :)
2012-08-28T15:22:14 <+Steffanx> zyp .. don't try to change the way IRC works
2012-08-28T15:22:43 < karlp> ah, oglaf, I had forgotten oglaf.
2012-08-28T15:22:49 < Erlkoenig> IRC is a rule of ancient time
2012-08-28T15:26:24 < Tectu> find the problem
2012-08-28T15:26:25 < Tectu> http://pastebin.com/NayZrU1W
2012-08-28T15:26:27 < Tectu> Erlkoenig, !!!!111
2012-08-28T15:26:42 < Erlkoenig> line 42.
2012-08-28T15:26:49 <+Steffanx> Number 42 :P
2012-08-28T15:27:09 < Laurenceb> ok back on topic
2012-08-28T15:27:26 < jpa-> numbers 69 to 75
2012-08-28T15:27:28 < Tectu> i'd go more to 369
2012-08-28T15:27:32 < Laurenceb> if i use an OC channel on a timer, how do i stop it taking control of a pin?
2012-08-28T15:27:38 < jpa-> (what kind of sex position is 75 anyway?)
2012-08-28T15:27:58 < Erlkoenig> Laurenceb: disable the Alternate Function using the GPIO functions?
2012-08-28T15:28:07 < Tectu> jpa-, really wanna know?
2012-08-28T15:28:11 <+Steffanx> Time to read the Indian book jpa-
2012-08-28T15:28:14 < Laurenceb> but what if i want alt function on that pin?
2012-08-28T15:28:40 < jpa-> Laurenceb: dump your F1 and switch to a controller where you can select the AFIO :)
2012-08-28T15:29:03 < Erlkoenig> Laurenceb: i thought you want to *stop* it from using the pinß
2012-08-28T15:29:14 < Laurenceb> i do
2012-08-28T15:29:20 < Laurenceb> but i have other stuff on the pins
2012-08-28T15:29:24 < jpa-> it's a common problem in F1 that if you enable some peripheral, it hooks up the pin and you may not be able to use another alt function on the same pin
2012-08-28T15:29:27 < Laurenceb> using them as afio
2012-08-28T15:29:37 < Laurenceb> hmm
2012-08-28T15:29:41 < Erlkoenig> oh hm i only know about the F4
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2012-08-28T15:30:02 < jpa-> yeah, it's fixed in F4, L1, F0, F2
2012-08-28T15:30:27 < jpa-> (they have an AFIO register where you put an index of the peripheral whose alternate function you want to hook into the pin)
2012-08-28T15:31:04 < Erlkoenig> i wanted to suggest exactly that ;)
2012-08-28T15:31:15 < Laurenceb> i see
2012-08-28T15:31:35 < jpa-> Laurenceb: could you use a different timer, one where the pins don't conflict?
2012-08-28T15:31:42 < Laurenceb> yes
2012-08-28T15:31:49 < Laurenceb> ill need to work this out...
2012-08-28T15:41:44 < dongs> sup dongs
2012-08-28T15:45:29 < Laurenceb> what does TIM2_CH1_ETR mean?
2012-08-28T15:46:39 < karlp> Tracing Illegible Masterpieces II: Chrono Histrionics - part 1 - Escape To Romania
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2012-08-28T15:47:47 < Erlkoenig> Edge TRiggering?
2012-08-28T15:50:00 < Laurenceb> oh
2012-08-28T15:50:12 < Laurenceb> eeek
2012-08-28T15:50:22 < Laurenceb> this code has to target 3 different boards
2012-08-28T15:50:26 < Laurenceb> funtimes
2012-08-28T16:04:33 < Laurenceb> http://costumepop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/dog-lion-costume.jpg
2012-08-28T16:06:30 < Laurenceb> bet thats what was in essex
2012-08-28T16:06:36 < Laurenceb> or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=2qU_MtNdHBg
2012-08-28T16:06:48 <+Steffanx> Trollville, for sure
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2012-08-28T16:19:00 < Laurenceb> meanwhile... http://blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef0167678f4aaf970b-800wi
2012-08-28T16:21:56 < Erlkoenig> ooooooooooooold
2012-08-28T16:23:57 <+Steffanx> This is Laurenceb's first day on the internet :P
2012-08-28T16:26:21 < Erlkoenig> uhoh, poor one
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2012-08-28T16:51:27 < Laurenceb> oh i can use TIMx->CCER
2012-08-28T16:51:38 < Laurenceb> to disable unused OC channels
2012-08-28T16:55:24 < Laurenceb> fig 127 in the F1 ref manual
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2012-08-28T17:25:35 < dongs> um
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2012-08-28T17:25:40 < dongs> why did you enable them in the first place?
2012-08-28T17:25:58 < dongs> shits only enabled if you do TIMOCxConfig or whatever shti
2012-08-28T17:33:05 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/timer.c
2012-08-28T17:33:07 < Laurenceb> funtimes
2012-08-28T17:34:11 < karlp> Laurenceb: one for you: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jywarren/public-lab-diy-spectrometry-kit?ref=card
2012-08-28T17:34:46 < dongs> http://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/124/277/cf6515db332f0f530c881a9d0cb8f580_large.jpg?1345580071 lool
2012-08-28T17:34:57 < zyp> Laurenceb, it's still easy to see what parts you wrote and what parts you copied
2012-08-28T17:34:59 < Laurenceb> nice
2012-08-28T17:35:10 < zyp> the lines without spaces are the ones you wrote :p
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2012-08-28T17:35:47 < dongs> laughin out loud @ zyp
2012-08-28T17:36:53 < Laurenceb> OFDM using timer gating
2012-08-28T17:37:07 <+Steffanx> Ha zyp D:
2012-08-28T17:38:14 <+Steffanx> We should donate Laurenceb a keyboard
2012-08-28T17:38:25 <+Steffanx> cltr+alt+delete and space
2012-08-28T17:38:27 < dongs> waaaaaat
2012-08-28T17:38:36 <+Steffanx> *ctrl
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2012-08-28T17:51:25 < Laurenceb> does a pwm value of zero give one clk period high?
2012-08-28T17:51:30 < Laurenceb> or sero periods?
2012-08-28T17:51:33 < Laurenceb> *zero
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2012-08-28T17:52:23 <+Steffanx> trial and error Laurenceb ?
2012-08-28T17:53:12 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-28T17:53:17 < Laurenceb> im lazy
2012-08-28T17:53:28 < dongs> <+Steffanx> troll and error Laurenceb ?
2012-08-28T17:53:29 < dongs> ^ FTFUY
2012-08-28T17:53:40 < dongs> Laurenceb: zero i think
2012-08-28T17:53:52 <+Steffanx> Thanks dongs
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2012-08-28T18:00:56 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T515pU2Crcs
2012-08-28T18:01:00 < Laurenceb> arduino tiem
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2012-08-28T18:02:18 < dongs> haha tarduino shjield on top of tarduino shield
2012-08-28T18:02:54 <+Steffanx> Where's the "laurduino inside" sticker?
2012-08-28T18:03:37 <+Steffanx> Arh, d. and his bad influence
2012-08-28T18:06:09 < dongs> Laurenceb: did they transmit photos over radio link or did they dig the camera out later?
2012-08-28T18:06:25 < Laurenceb> it was stored on the cam
2012-08-28T18:08:49 < dongs> 3k eur is a lot of shit
2012-08-28T18:08:57 < dongs> probably spent all that on tarduino breakout boards from sparkfun
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2012-08-28T18:09:43 < Laurenceb> i did this back in 2005
2012-08-28T18:09:45 < Laurenceb> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:mihab:mihab_1
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2012-08-28T18:11:05 <+Steffanx> Too bad the 'best pictures' are still pretty bad
2012-08-28T18:11:32 < dongs> bascom-avr
2012-08-28T18:11:34 < dongs> loll
2012-08-28T18:11:45 < zyp> woah, ISP sockets and DIL headers!
2012-08-28T18:11:58 <+Steffanx> Anyone here experience with some (ultra) low power PIR sensors? < 1mA
2012-08-28T18:12:08 < Laurenceb> *shrug*
2012-08-28T18:12:11 < Laurenceb> bascom works
2012-08-28T18:12:26 <+Steffanx> All the ebay sensors are ~60?A .. but that doesn't seems to be true
2012-08-28T18:13:55 < Laurenceb> http://ukhas.org.uk/projects:mihab:mihab_2
2012-08-28T18:14:42 < karlp> Steffanx: the guy on jeelabs did some research to find the lowest power one,
2012-08-28T18:14:49 < karlp> his "room board"
2012-08-28T18:15:23 <+Steffanx> Yeah, i found one post about it on his website
2012-08-28T18:15:28 <+Steffanx> Didn't know he did more research
2012-08-28T18:15:30 <+Steffanx> me checks out
2012-08-28T18:19:33 < karlp> I think it was mostly, "this was the lowest I could find, they all seemed pretty shit"
2012-08-28T18:20:55 < Laurenceb> you could make one
2012-08-28T18:21:03 <+Steffanx> Yes, that one is 50uA
2012-08-28T18:21:06 < Laurenceb> using bare sensors
2012-08-28T18:21:53 <+Steffanx> 50uA is ok-ish
2012-08-28T18:22:11 < Erlkoenig> "ok-ish"... what a nice phrase :D
2012-08-28T18:23:07 < Laurenceb> id suspect <1uA is possible
2012-08-28T18:23:23 <+Steffanx> It also has to work :P
2012-08-28T18:24:42 < Laurenceb> you can get thermopiles quite easily
2012-08-28T18:25:12 < Laurenceb> i havent seen bare die thermopeizo sensor thingies avaliable
2012-08-28T18:25:16 <+Steffanx> Just desolder it from an existing sensor
2012-08-28T18:25:20 < Laurenceb> whatever they are called i forget
2012-08-28T18:25:22 < Laurenceb> yeah
2012-08-28T18:25:40 < Laurenceb> its a different substrate from thermopiles
2012-08-28T18:26:01 < Laurenceb> then just an opamp
2012-08-28T18:27:28 <+Steffanx> It's just for some basic hobby bobby wireless/battery powered alarm system
2012-08-28T18:30:01 < Laurenceb> hmm
2012-08-28T18:31:22 < Laurenceb> ive never dismantled one
2012-08-28T18:31:23 < Laurenceb> http://www.reuk.co.uk/OtherImages/PIR-Sensor-internals.jpg
2012-08-28T18:31:33 < Laurenceb> looks like theres a bare die sensor in the middle
2012-08-28T18:31:48 <+Steffanx> Yeah, i think i'll get myself something like that
2012-08-28T18:31:52 <+Steffanx> Also gives me a nice case
2012-08-28T18:34:00 < Laurenceb> dongs: you been painting vans again?
2012-08-28T18:34:02 < Laurenceb> http://latinaish.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/blaxicanfood.jpg%3Fw%3D604%26h%3D453
2012-08-28T18:34:27 <+Steffanx> Too bad the L1-family is relatively expensive
2012-08-28T18:35:13 <+Steffanx> Not dongs's job. No "lol jews"-text
2012-08-28T18:35:24 <+Steffanx> *no
2012-08-28T18:40:33 < karlp> meh, it's much the same price as bigger avrs
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2012-08-28T18:42:47 < Laurenceb> just hook that sensor up to the comparator
2012-08-28T18:50:41 < dongs> <fALSO> i think i will use female-male jumper wires
2012-08-28T18:50:42 < dongs> <laburd> fALSO: I always considered you a male-male connector type
2012-08-28T18:52:54 < Erlkoenig> not sure if channels is full of "lol he said penis" kiddes or just programmers
2012-08-28T18:53:04 < Laurenceb> ⚣
2012-08-28T18:53:25 < dongs> i dont think theres anyone over 13 here
2012-08-28T18:54:23 < Erlkoenig> that would explain some things
2012-08-28T18:56:06 < Erlkoenig> Laurenceb: do you live in Bologna, Italia?
2012-08-28T18:56:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.somethingrotten.dk/wp-content/hitlerz.jpg
2012-08-28T18:56:38 < Laurenceb> is all i have to say
2012-08-28T18:56:43 < Erlkoenig> or "Alphen aan den Rijn" ?
2012-08-28T18:58:32 < Erlkoenig> talk to me!
2012-08-28T19:01:13 < dongs> Laurenceb: lrn 2 link via imgur http://i.imgur.com/313Cc.jpg
2012-08-28T19:01:53 < Laurenceb> im guessing dongs is now trolling about 20 channels with that
2012-08-28T19:02:00 < dongs> how did you know
2012-08-28T19:02:06 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-28T19:02:07 < dongs> retweeting it fucking everywhere
2012-08-28T19:02:35 < Laurenceb> "chilling with his hoes"
2012-08-28T19:07:09 <+Steffanx> karlp true, but still a little expensive for what it has to do
2012-08-28T19:07:31 <+Steffanx> Sleep, sleep, send, measure, sleep
2012-08-28T19:07:53 < Laurenceb> can you wake on comparator with everything sleeping?
2012-08-28T19:08:04 <+Steffanx> Yes
2012-08-28T19:08:08 <+Steffanx> * in stop mode
2012-08-28T19:08:09 < karlp> like I was saying this morning, I reckon you can get most of the mileage with f1 anyway.
2012-08-28T19:08:37 < karlp> or jsut suck it up. it's what, 4-5$?
2012-08-28T19:08:49 <+Steffanx> 4 euro at least
2012-08-28T19:08:58 < dongs> comparators on L1 kinda suck
2012-08-28T19:09:02 < dongs> also: its not pin compatible to F1
2012-08-28T19:09:12 <+Steffanx> What's wrong with them dongs ?
2012-08-28T19:09:13 < karlp> it's almost pin compatible
2012-08-28T19:09:24 < dongs> i thought it w as totally differfent pinout
2012-08-28T19:09:30 < dongs> I mgiht be thinking stm8s vs stm8l
2012-08-28T19:09:39 < karlp> there's a hardware migration guide that says it's only a couple of things
2012-08-28T19:09:40 < karlp> iirc
2012-08-28T19:09:46 < karlp> I might be remembering wrong too :)
2012-08-28T19:11:06 <+Steffanx> I only remember jpa- said something about the comparators, but don't remember what is complaint was
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2012-08-28T19:15:52 <+Steffanx> Isn't F0 a better choice, lower price + less power usage
2012-08-28T19:15:59 <+Steffanx> When price matters :P
2012-08-28T19:18:26 < dongs> Steffanx: they're kinda fucked up
2012-08-28T19:18:32 < dongs> the source/compare shit
2012-08-28T19:18:35 < dongs> you can only route to some of htem
2012-08-28T19:18:40 < dongs> and some can only compare against avcc
2012-08-28T19:18:43 < dongs> or someshit like that
2012-08-28T19:19:03 <+Steffanx> Isn't that just something i should figure out before i do the design? :)
2012-08-28T19:19:19 < dongs> well, for example that stopped me from using stm32l for motor control
2012-08-28T19:19:31 < dongs> you couldnt get 3 phases into a comparator
2012-08-28T19:20:14 < dongs> <+Steffanx> Isn't that just something i should figure out before i do the design? :)
2012-08-28T19:20:17 < dongs> not if youre Laurenceb
2012-08-28T19:20:21 <+Steffanx> :P
2012-08-28T19:20:22 < dongs> you'll make it first, then wonder why shit doesnt work
2012-08-28T19:22:38 < jpa-> Steffanx: well they kind of totally suck :D
2012-08-28T19:22:56 <+Steffanx> ...
2012-08-28T19:23:20 < jpa-> two comparators that behave totally differently, and then they can be used together, but only in some very specific configurations..  aaaaand one of them cannot be used when ADC is in use
2012-08-28T19:23:39 < dongs> yeah, see ^
2012-08-28T19:25:39 <+Steffanx> It just has to look at the signal of a pir sensor ( amplified ) and wake up. Nothing special
2012-08-28T19:26:27 <+Steffanx> Say "hey something happened" ? zzzz/stop
2012-08-28T19:26:42 < jpa-> yeah, should work
2012-08-28T19:26:47 < dongs> http://rev0proto.com/wiki/images/7/73/Rev0SD_Post-Rework.jpg
2012-08-28T19:26:51 < dongs> why cant tom66 make shit like this
2012-08-28T19:27:00 < jpa-> but please use the correct one of the comparators.. not the wrong one :)
2012-08-28T19:27:17 <+Steffanx> I will jpa-
2012-08-28T19:27:26 < jpa-> use COMP2, the retarded little brother has quirks that you'll never figure out beforehand
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2012-08-28T19:27:40 <+Steffanx> No errata work? :P
2012-08-28T19:27:46 < Laurenceb> talking of fail
2012-08-28T19:27:53 < Laurenceb> my timers arent slaving
2012-08-28T19:28:29 <+Steffanx> dongs, http://www.naffets.nl/share/a-20120828-182819.jpg
2012-08-28T19:28:40 < Laurenceb> first timer works
2012-08-28T19:28:44 < jpa-> Steffanx: rework is for losers
2012-08-28T19:29:05 <+Steffanx> And the usb connector .. doesn't look right
2012-08-28T19:29:08 < dongs> Steffanx: yea? what am i looking at
2012-08-28T19:29:20 <+Steffanx> The mess the arrow points at
2012-08-28T19:29:26 < Laurenceb> mess?!
2012-08-28T19:29:27 < dongs> looks like flux after cleaning
2012-08-28T19:29:32 < dongs> or rather
2012-08-28T19:29:37 < dongs> flux after soldering, but not washed
2012-08-28T19:29:41 <+Steffanx> :P
2012-08-28T19:30:14 <+Steffanx> And some resistors aren't aligned very well
2012-08-28T19:30:20 < dongs> i think if you compare with the shit this guy was pumping out
2012-08-28T19:30:21 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a3941754-210-DSCN5438.JPG
2012-08-28T19:30:25 <+Steffanx> </TWOCENTS>
2012-08-28T19:30:43 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4193617-227-DSCN6107.jpg
2012-08-28T19:30:48 < dongs> http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4193644-190-DSCN6111.jpg
2012-08-28T19:30:57 <+Steffanx> Hehe
2012-08-28T19:31:22 < dongs> sadly no updates since http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/2/4/0/5/7/a4918699-78-DSCN7695.jpg
2012-08-28T19:31:26 < dongs> last i heard it didnt work still
2012-08-28T19:32:12 <+Steffanx> "the retarded little brother has quirks that you'll never figure out beforehand" no blog about that jpa- ?
2012-08-28T19:34:51 < jpa-> i don't whine on my blog
2012-08-28T19:35:10 < jpa-> (even though it could sometimes be useful)
2012-08-28T19:35:12 <+Steffanx> Nor provide information for others
2012-08-28T19:35:42 < jpa-> yeah.. at one point i planned starting a section for that, but never bothered to write about trouble
2012-08-28T19:36:55 < emeb> those are some nasty looking soldering jobs.
2012-08-28T19:37:57 < jpa-> i never understood SMD could be so hard for someone :D
2012-08-28T19:38:32 <+Steffanx> t/lqfp is ok .. i'll stay away from qfn and stuff
2012-08-28T19:38:41 < emeb> if you get it stuck in your mind that you must use paste + stencil, and you can't do that well...
2012-08-28T19:39:08 < jpa-> though, a nice scrub with isopropyl alcohol and it could even look presentable
2012-08-28T19:39:32 < emeb> but not functional
2012-08-28T19:39:36 < jpa-> yeah
2012-08-28T19:39:43 < emeb> "the bigger the blob, the better the job"
2012-08-28T19:39:53 < zyp> ha
2012-08-28T19:39:58 < dongs> the bigger the blog
2012-08-28T19:40:06 < jpa-> that's even worse than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Half-completed_manual_soldering_of_surface_mount_MQFP_integrated_circuit.jpg
2012-08-28T19:40:26 <+Steffanx> That's ok
2012-08-28T19:40:27 < emeb> heh - no inductance issues there.
2012-08-28T19:40:31 < zyp> cute
2012-08-28T19:41:03 < zyp> looks similar to my cpld-jtag-prototype
2012-08-28T19:41:12 <+Steffanx> photo!
2012-08-28T19:41:22 < zyp> you haven't seen it?
2012-08-28T19:41:32 <+Steffanx> dont remember
2012-08-28T19:41:37 < dongs> hah
2012-08-28T19:41:46 < dongs> this guy who  bought my shit did some HAB crap
2012-08-28T19:41:49 < dongs> must be a Laurenceb groupie
2012-08-28T19:41:53 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/qHoay.JPG
2012-08-28T19:42:27 < emeb> it's a breadboard / no, it's an antenna / no, it's both!
2012-08-28T19:42:57 < zyp> I'm not running any signals on the traces, I'm just using the holes to keep shit in place
2012-08-28T19:43:12 < dongs> http://elm-chan.org/works/sd8p/pcb.jpeg
2012-08-28T19:43:15 < dongs> almost as cool as this guy
2012-08-28T19:43:23 < zyp> that guy is insane
2012-08-28T19:44:05 < dongs> http://elm-chan.org/works/sp78k/uispusb.jpeg
2012-08-28T19:44:16 < dongs> no usb signal issues there.
2012-08-28T19:44:32 < zyp> the best I've seen is his line camera
2012-08-28T19:44:32 < dongs> k bed
2012-08-28T19:44:39 < dongs> yea
2012-08-28T19:46:31 < Erlkoenig> my friend licks all over my face instead of kissing me :o
2012-08-28T19:46:50 < emeb> probably not a good idea to drunk IRC
2012-08-28T19:47:12 <+Steffanx> Thanks for the info Erlkoenig
2012-08-28T19:47:29 < Erlkoenig> you're welcome
2012-08-28T19:47:39 < Erlkoenig> what to do against that?
2012-08-28T19:47:57 < emeb> Erlkoenig: put sunscreen on your face
2012-08-28T19:48:23 < Erlkoenig> he says that won't stop him
2012-08-28T19:48:31 < zyp> Erlkoenig, dogs are supposed to do that
2012-08-28T19:48:47 < zyp> get the leash and take him out for a walk
2012-08-28T19:48:56 < Erlkoenig> hmm i'm not so much into dogplay
2012-08-28T19:49:37 < zyp> so your friend is not a dog, and he still licks your face?
2012-08-28T19:49:46 < Erlkoenig> yes, somehow
2012-08-28T20:02:22 <+Steffanx> Maybe he can join, so we can have a talk, Erlkoenig
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2012-08-28T20:44:38 <+dekar> izua_, memory fragmentation is a major problem when using lua on the stm32
2012-08-28T20:44:56 <+izua_> how did that go?
2012-08-28T20:45:09 <+izua_> i messed with lua embedded in C some time ago, when you started telling me about stm32lua
2012-08-28T20:45:36 <+dekar> well you can't allocate an array of predefined size in lua
2012-08-28T20:45:47 <+dekar> you allocate an array and then grow it to your needs
2012-08-28T20:46:02 <+dekar> that causes a ton of fragmentation just growing it to 1kb
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2012-08-28T20:46:26 < TitanMKD> hello
2012-08-28T20:46:28 <+izua_> how did you figure this out ?
2012-08-28T20:46:38 <+izua_> slow memory access later during execution?
2012-08-28T20:46:52 <+dekar> izua_, malloc(1500) fails
2012-08-28T20:46:59 <+dekar> speed is not a problem
2012-08-28T20:47:15 <+dekar> I have like 30kb of memory left, but can't allocate 1500bytes
2012-08-28T20:47:46 <+dekar> actually in some script a co-worker wrote you can't even allocate 500bytes anymore
2012-08-28T20:48:10 < emeb> yay - needs garbage collection.
2012-08-28T20:48:26 <+dekar> emeb, it has garbage collection, that's not the problem
2012-08-28T20:48:39 < emeb> defrag?
2012-08-28T20:48:50 <+dekar> yeah sram defray, called MMU :)
2012-08-28T20:48:55 <+dekar> *defrag
2012-08-28T20:49:00 < emeb> bleh.
2012-08-28T20:49:29 < TitanMKD> dekar garbage collector on embedded sw is a really really bad idea ;)
2012-08-28T20:49:36 < TitanMKD> fragmentation will kill at end
2012-08-28T20:49:47 <+izua_> dynamic allocation is, imo
2012-08-28T20:50:02 <+izua_> but then again, actual computers were less powerful than current mcus at some point :P
2012-08-28T20:50:04 < TitanMKD> yes dynamic allocation shall be forbidden ;)
2012-08-28T20:50:29 <+dekar> well it can only fragment so much, I can live with the restrictions I have
2012-08-28T20:50:34 < TitanMKD> especially for realtime stuff it shall be totally avoided
2012-08-28T20:50:40 <+dekar> but I realized it could be a problem for some use cases
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2012-08-28T20:54:54 <+dekar> it's quite funny actually, my firmware is far more complex than those lua scripts it runs, yet they use up a magnitude more memory
2012-08-28T20:55:11 <+dekar> reminds me of java
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2012-08-28T21:10:34 < jpa-> dekar: good to know
2012-08-28T21:11:04 < jpa-> dekar: i wonder if a different memory allocator could do better job about this
2012-08-28T21:11:22 < jpa-> e.g. preallocating more memory to have it ready for realloc() later (does lua use realloc?)
2012-08-28T21:13:09 < jpa-> i wonder if lua could move around objects in order to defrag memory
2012-08-28T21:15:25 < TitanMKD> Anyone know where is described the official Arduino Pinout ?
2012-08-28T21:40:02 < Erlkoenig> dekar: why do you use Lua on a mikrocontroller?
2012-08-28T21:40:57 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: because it is more high-level than C or C++
2012-08-28T21:41:14 < jpa-> i'm looking to use Lua in my next project also
2012-08-28T21:41:47 < zyp> for a lot of people, being highlevel is a good reason to not use it on a microcontroller
2012-08-28T21:41:51 < zyp> :p
2012-08-28T21:42:09 < Erlkoenig> uhm... it seems to not even have classes?
2012-08-28T21:42:18 < BrainDamage> it has no oop
2012-08-28T21:42:42 < Erlkoenig> so C++ is more highlevel? :D
2012-08-28T21:42:50 < BrainDamage> no
2012-08-28T21:42:50 < jpa-> in a different way
2012-08-28T21:43:06 < BrainDamage> lua is great wrt managing memory
2012-08-28T21:43:11 < BrainDamage> as in, it's very painless
2012-08-28T21:43:21 < jpa-> ask dekar just how painless it is :)
2012-08-28T21:43:27 < Erlkoenig> "wrt"?
2012-08-28T21:43:33 < zyp> with regards to
2012-08-28T21:43:39 < BrainDamage> I mean as user, not as fitting a target :p
2012-08-28T21:43:57 < BrainDamage> you can create and access multi dimensional arrays/matrices with 1 line of code
2012-08-28T21:44:03 < Erlkoenig> you mean, more easy than like C/C++?
2012-08-28T21:44:09 < BrainDamage> much more
2012-08-28T21:44:10 < zyp> BrainDamage, you mean «lua is great because you don't have to manage your memory»
2012-08-28T21:44:24 < BrainDamage> yeah that
2012-08-28T21:44:37 < zyp> do you find memory management in C/C++ hard?
2012-08-28T21:44:44 < BrainDamage> it's very popular with game engines as scripting engines
2012-08-28T21:44:47 < Erlkoenig> ruby and lots of other script languages have an equally easy mem management?
2012-08-28T21:44:52 < BrainDamage> not particularry
2012-08-28T21:45:04 < BrainDamage> but many don't want to bother
2012-08-28T21:45:11 < BrainDamage> so lua is a good choice
2012-08-28T21:45:26 < zyp> when you are counting your memory in kilobytes, you should bother.
2012-08-28T21:45:29 < jpa-> for me, an important point would be to cleanly separate "user modifiable" code from the low-level code
2012-08-28T21:45:42 < BrainDamage> zyp: talking about general pourpose computing
2012-08-28T21:45:48 < BrainDamage> not micro specific
2012-08-28T21:46:11 < zyp> jpa-, nothing stops you from doing that with machine code
2012-08-28T21:46:46 < zyp> even on cortex-m you can have a seperate os from user processes with the MPU and do dynamic linking
2012-08-28T21:47:02 < jpa-> zyp: yep, though getting nice stack traces from native code etc.. a lot of pain
2012-08-28T21:47:50 < Erlkoenig> more pain then dynamic memory management for dynamic scripting languages?
2012-08-28T21:47:58 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: yes
2012-08-28T21:48:10 < zyp> BrainDamage, agreed
2012-08-28T21:48:21 < zyp> that's why I'm doing all my host side stuff in python
2012-08-28T21:48:22 < Erlkoenig> and when using a debugger you get meaningful stack traces ;)
2012-08-28T21:48:52 < jpa-> yeah; works for me, not if i want to allow arbitrary users to easily modify the code
2012-08-28T21:49:16 < zyp> nothing stops you from writing a stack trace routine and invoke it after trapping a bug in a user thread
2012-08-28T21:49:56 < jpa-> and read symbols from elf to print stuff and basically implement an embedded version of gdb to find out symbol values etc?
2012-08-28T21:50:11 < zyp> I've considered writing a gdb server that I can put into my code, and use to debug threads without having a hardware debugger
2012-08-28T21:50:34 < Erlkoenig> you mean like, examining the stack and finding the called functions from the return adresses?
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2012-08-28T21:50:51 < jpa-> compared to this 200 lines that prints a nice usable stack trace without needing to hook up a debugger or even to be near a computer when the error occurs https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/master/Runtime/amx_debug.c
2012-08-28T21:50:58 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: yes, and parameters
2012-08-28T21:51:40 < zyp> jpa-, you are aware of core dumps?
2012-08-28T21:51:46 < Erlkoenig> sounds interesting... and complicated ;)
2012-08-28T21:52:08 < jpa-> zyp: i am, i have used them, they are always a bit of pain
2012-08-28T21:52:35 < jpa-> it's a bit of a case "works for me, but if i can make it just a bit easier, i don't have to do everything myself"
2012-08-28T21:53:38 < Erlkoenig> so i am happy the discovery has debug hardware ;)
2012-08-28T21:56:07 < jpa-> in fact.. i'd probably put a processor strong enough to run full python, if only there were good choices that wouldn't take weeks to learn
2012-08-28T21:56:23 < jpa-> i'm already going with the largest STM32F4 (1MB flash, 192kB ram)
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2012-08-28T21:57:29 < Erlkoenig> but don't you loose much of the nice execution speed of such a nice fast controller?
2012-08-28T21:58:21 < jpa-> i will make all the performance-critical parts in C, of course
2012-08-28T21:59:02 < jpa-> the thing is that i want the user interface and high-level stuff to be easily modifiable by other people at the company.. who are not embedded software engineers
2012-08-28T21:59:24 < jpa-> (and i don't want to bundle a rasberry pi inside there :D
2012-08-28T21:59:41 < Erlkoenig> would that be so difficult in "high level C/C++", when having a few nice library functions?
2012-08-28T21:59:59 < BrainDamage> isn't there a "microcontroller" python already?
2012-08-28T22:00:03 < Erlkoenig> at least i think more people know coding in C/C++ than in Lua ;)
2012-08-28T22:00:24 < jpa-> BrainDamage: there is, that's my other alternative
2012-08-28T22:00:27 < jpa-> (pymite)
2012-08-28T22:00:55 < BrainDamage> I was thinking of https://code.google.com/p/python-on-a-chip/
2012-08-28T22:01:00 < jpa-> yeah, that
2012-08-28T22:01:50 < jpa-> it's GPL, though
2012-08-28T22:02:16 < zyp> I've considered trying it
2012-08-28T22:03:06 <+Steffanx> but
2012-08-28T22:03:07 < zyp> but then I would mostly be interested in rapid prototyping in interactive mode, not really doing permanent implementations in python
2012-08-28T22:03:48 < Erlkoenig> uhoh... thats exactly the stuff that will remain forever and be an endless nightmare *g*
2012-08-28T22:04:05 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: actually python is the most popular in our company.. but not having to dig down to a debugger is probably the most important part
2012-08-28T22:04:18 < zyp> Erlkoenig, not in interactive mode
2012-08-28T22:05:06 < Erlkoenig> and i laughed at some programmer-n00b who asked my whether i'd program my mikrocontrollers in Java...
2012-08-28T22:05:32 < zyp> Steffanx, the reason I haven't tried it yet is probably because my usb code aren't fully capable of creating a bidirectional data pipe yet :p
2012-08-28T22:05:44 <+Steffanx> He
2012-08-28T22:06:40 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: TINI has been around for years
2012-08-28T22:06:56 < BrainDamage> jpa-: actually winpdb is pretty awesome
2012-08-28T22:07:27 < Erlkoenig> Tini? http://www.tini-ev.de/
2012-08-28T22:07:46 < jpa-> BrainDamage: sure, but i mean *always* having to dig into a debugger
2012-08-28T22:08:03 < BrainDamage> ok ok :p
2012-08-28T22:08:06 < jpa-> e.g. you have one little exception and only way to see any relevant info is to launch a debugger
2012-08-28T22:08:54 < jpa-> as it is with C and usually even with embedded C++, because the best you can get is just a bunch of function addresses you still need to decode anyway
2012-08-28T22:09:17 < Erlkoenig> jpa-: yeah well i laughed because that noob was someone "i can do anything with my java and don't know anything else"
2012-08-28T22:09:29 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: http://www.apms.com.au/tini/
2012-08-28T22:09:40 < BrainDamage> you can link to certain libs that auto resolve stacktraces
2012-08-28T22:09:48 < BrainDamage> but means having debug symbols available
2012-08-28T22:09:56 < BrainDamage> and extra efforts to include in your program
2012-08-28T22:09:59 < jpa-> yeah.. a viable alternative perhaps
2012-08-28T22:10:14 < BrainDamage> they are useful to collect error data from users tough
2012-08-28T22:10:26 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: well, he can do a lot of things with his java
2012-08-28T22:10:46 < jpa-> (heck.. the people at my company program FPGA's using labview and i'm very much disgusted)
2012-08-28T22:11:04 < Erlkoenig> yeah... but not looking at anything else than Java is maybe somewhat ignorant or something
2012-08-28T22:11:06 <+Steffanx> labview ....
2012-08-28T22:11:17 < BrainDamage> how does that even work?
2012-08-28T22:11:27 < BrainDamage> labwview generates some vhdl?
2012-08-28T22:11:36 <+Steffanx> using a 10k$ piece of hw dongle
2012-08-28T22:11:42 < jpa-> yes, it turns out there is a special FPGA mode available for labview
2012-08-28T22:11:44 <+Steffanx> like everything else with labview
2012-08-28T22:11:55 < jpa-> yes, veryy expensive and veryy slow
2012-08-28T22:12:08 < BrainDamage> it's true that anything "labview compatible" get it's price bumped 3x
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2012-08-28T22:17:07 < jpa-> nice thing about lua is that the compiler should fit on the microcontroller also; therefore i can simply put the files on a flash memory and they can be directly modified using text editor; let alone the possibilities of an interactive prompt
2012-08-28T22:17:48 < Erlkoenig> like the old BASIC computers? :D
2012-08-28T22:18:52 < jpa-> yes, and like python prompt etc.
2012-08-28T22:18:56 < jpa-> a great learning tool
2012-08-28T22:20:37 < Erlkoenig> i could come across the idea that programming beginners might want to start with the PC that's already standing around their room
2012-08-28T22:21:21 < jpa-> not just for programming noobs, works also for learning whatever special device there is to learn
2012-08-28T22:22:07 < jpa-> "hmm, i wonder how this sensor is supposed to work.. let's see, i type one line.. ah, it did X.. maybe i'll get it to do Y.. yeah, now i know how it works"
2012-08-28T22:22:28 < Laurenceb_> "i wonder how this i2c works"
2012-08-28T22:22:35 < Laurenceb_> "wait why did the micro just die"
2012-08-28T22:23:24 < Erlkoenig> jpa-: you mean like... arduino?
2012-08-28T22:23:27 < emeb> why not use uBASIC?
2012-08-28T22:23:46 < jpa-> emeb: because basic as a language is not so great
2012-08-28T22:24:38 <+Steffanx> Wha, it is!
2012-08-28T22:24:39 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: arduino has no interactive prompt.. but yeah, arduino also manages to make embedded programming simple
2012-08-28T22:24:46 <+Steffanx> Bascom, picbasic .. nothing beats that
2012-08-28T22:25:04 < emeb> heh. Guess I should have put <irony> on that one...
2012-08-28T22:25:16 < jpa-> emeb: i don't know you enough yet :)
2012-08-28T22:25:25 < jpa-> i know that Steffanx was not ironic :P
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2012-08-28T22:25:41 < Erlkoenig> everyone has a PC... which serves well as a terminal ;)
2012-08-28T22:25:47 < emeb> that said, it's tiny, treats memory right and works in constrained environments: http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/UBASIC
2012-08-28T22:25:48 < jpa-> (because he was sarcastic!)
2012-08-28T22:26:07 <+Steffanx> You're welcome jpa-
2012-08-28T22:26:26 < BrainDamage> Erlkoenig: the main problem with pc is lack of decent GPIO
2012-08-28T22:26:30 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: but can you type arduino code and have it execute immediately?
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2012-08-28T22:26:41 < Erlkoenig> jpa-: yes, just need to hit Ctrl-U
2012-08-28T22:26:47 < Erlkoenig> BrainDamage: it has USB, thats enough for arduino
2012-08-28T22:26:58 < BrainDamage> I mean direct access
2012-08-28T22:27:09 < BrainDamage> write word to /dev/portA
2012-08-28T22:27:24 < BrainDamage> automagically written to whatever hw is doing the bridge
2012-08-28T22:27:33 < Erlkoenig> jpa-: also... how expensive is the display needed for the interactive prompt?
2012-08-28T22:27:38 < BrainDamage> for rapid prototyping
2012-08-28T22:27:39 < Laurenceb_> also timing accuracy is poor
2012-08-28T22:27:40 < Laurenceb_> on pc
2012-08-28T22:27:50 < BrainDamage> that's solved with rtos
2012-08-28T22:27:58 < BrainDamage> and by solved, I mean they are a pain in the ass to use
2012-08-28T22:28:07 < Laurenceb_> exactly
2012-08-28T22:28:39 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: i mean to use computer as a terminal
2012-08-28T22:28:41 < Erlkoenig> thats why you use an arduino or someting
2012-08-28T22:28:53 < Erlkoenig> jpa-: then you can use the computer as C/C++ compiler as well :D
2012-08-28T22:28:57 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: true
2012-08-28T22:29:20 < jpa-> not the same level of interactivity as a python/lua prompt, but not too important
2012-08-28T22:30:19 < Erlkoenig> but faster execution because lack of compiler
2012-08-28T22:30:26 < Erlkoenig> argh
2012-08-28T22:30:30 < Erlkoenig> -compiler +interpreter
2012-08-28T22:30:48 < jpa-> doesn't matter where speed is not an issue
2012-08-28T22:32:49 < jpa-> there is really a lot of things that make lua/python/etc. a lot easier to program in than C/C++.. bounds checking, automatic memory management, syntactic sugar, introspection
2012-08-28T22:33:06 < BrainDamage> "high level" languages are basically to be used where programmer time matters more than execution time
2012-08-28T22:33:12 < jpa-> indeed
2012-08-28T22:33:35 < Erlkoenig> i use high level languages too ;) but not on mikrocontrollers, at least until now
2012-08-28T22:33:47 < jpa-> microcontroller is just another computer
2012-08-28T22:33:56 < jpa-> if a high-level language fits on it, why not use it?
2012-08-28T22:34:34 < Erlkoenig> because it hurts my brain :D
2012-08-28T22:34:54 < jpa-> your brain is not very tolerant :)
2012-08-28T22:36:48 < jpa-> i find the gap between embedded software and desktop software surprisingly large
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2012-08-28T22:37:26 < jpa-> while the different devices available form a continuum without any real gap
2012-08-28T22:38:37 < jpa-> also for some reason a lot of embedded code is horrible kludge and downright ugly :D
2012-08-28T22:38:39 < Erlkoenig> depens... devices like the A10 are closing the gap
2012-08-28T22:41:43 < jpa-> i said there is no device gap; there is software gap
2012-08-28T22:42:10 < Erlkoenig> yeah - "with OS" and "without OS"
2012-08-28T22:42:15 < jpa-> nope
2012-08-28T22:42:35 < jpa-> freertos, chibios etc. are very small
2012-08-28T22:43:30 < Erlkoenig> but somewhat posix/win32 -notcompliant *g*
2012-08-28T22:43:52 < jpa-> yeah, posix compliance is part of the gap
2012-08-28T22:44:54 < jpa-> also dynamic linking.. though just getting posix compliance and dynamic linking is not going to close the gap, they are just somehow artefacts of not having to care about every byte, and about needing to write complex systems
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2012-08-28T22:46:04 < Erlkoenig> well that's what mikrocontrollers are *not* for ;-)
2012-08-28T22:46:18 < jpa-> openwrt-running boxes are a strange middleground, for they run a full OS yet are too small for most of the desktop software libraries
2012-08-28T22:47:10 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: but if you want to do something complex, should you always need to 1) spend a lot of time or 2) put a real computer instead of microcontroller
2012-08-28T22:48:07 < jpa-> i think it is just a matter of there being a lack of good small libraries, with clearly specified goal and little external dependencies
2012-08-28T22:48:36 < Erlkoenig> aren't there plenty of libraries? for talking with specific hardware, like SD Cards, RFM12 chips etc. ?
2012-08-28T22:49:06 < Erlkoenig> or 3) use a big mikrocontroller with a RTOS
2012-08-28T22:49:06 < jpa-> those are the traditional microcontroller taks
2012-08-28T22:49:09 < jpa-> *tasks
2012-08-28T22:49:34 < jpa-> there are libraries for them; but is there an embedded HTML viewer? or a good open-source embedded GUI library?
2012-08-28T22:49:51 < Erlkoenig> because they need lots of computing power? :D
2012-08-28T22:49:57 < Erlkoenig> thats not found on, e.g. an ATmega8? :D
2012-08-28T22:50:13 < jpa-> yeah, atmega8 is too small, but stm32 is not
2012-08-28T22:50:26 < Erlkoenig> for an html viewer? humm
2012-08-28T22:50:35 < Erlkoenig> sometimes i think my i7 is too slow oO
2012-08-28T22:50:45 < jpa-> i wouldn't expect full CSS & javascript
2012-08-28T22:50:59 < Erlkoenig> if you want embedded Html, use an A10 with linux and firefox
2012-08-28T22:51:05 < jpa-> just basic layout & stuff, like what has existed on cheap phones for years
2012-08-28T22:51:38 < jpa-> why? why couldn't i do such things with stm32, if i have the time?
2012-08-28T22:51:51 < Erlkoenig> maybe you can
2012-08-28T22:51:57 < BrainDamage> check contiki os
2012-08-28T22:52:05 < Erlkoenig> aren't there a few html libs out there? compile them for the stm32?
2012-08-28T22:52:06 < BrainDamage> iirc it has a tiny web browser
2012-08-28T22:52:22 < jpa-> BrainDamage: contiki has a lot of stuff, but it doesn't seem that reusable
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2012-08-28T22:53:18 < jpa-> besides, html was just an example
2012-08-28T22:56:18 < jpa-> i just think that in future, one of two things will happen: 1) everything will become a full linux computer  or 2) we start doing complex things on smaller processors than we used to
2012-08-28T22:56:31 < Erlkoenig> the problem might be the lot of different devices... writing libraries for all of them might be somewhat delicate
2012-08-28T22:57:06 < Erlkoenig> linux everywhere? that would be bad for realtime stuff
2012-08-28T22:57:07 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: it is not; most libraries don't need to interact with the hardware, and all relevant platforms have good C compilers
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2012-08-28T22:57:31 < Erlkoenig> only for libraries that don't interact with hardware...
2012-08-28T22:57:49 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: yeah, it could be; it would probably mean there being a small microcontroller in addition to the linux computer
2012-08-28T22:58:08 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: we already have a good set of libraries for interacting with the hardware
2012-08-28T22:58:44 < Erlkoenig> but two mikrocontrollers are more expensive than one :D
2012-08-28T22:58:58 < zyp> depends on the microcontrollers.
2012-08-28T22:59:16 < jpa-> also programmer time is very expensive
2012-08-28T23:00:16 < zyp> Erlkoenig, consider OMAP4
2012-08-28T23:00:17 < jpa-> basic (not "smart") phone manufacturers would surely have a lot of very useful stuff, if it just was packaged as libraries and released to the public
2012-08-28T23:00:34 < zyp> pretty much everyone have heard that OMAP4 is a dual core cortex-A9 SoC
2012-08-28T23:00:52 < zyp> but it also has two M3 cores
2012-08-28T23:02:31 < Erlkoenig> why then are there so many projects on the net with AVR's and no OS at all?
2012-08-28T23:02:47 < jpa-> because those projects are simple
2012-08-28T23:02:50 < Erlkoenig> maybe because it's simpler? and its somewhat fun to be near the hardware?
2012-08-28T23:03:29 < jpa-> sometimes you need to do complex things :)
2012-08-28T23:03:43 < zyp> Erlkoenig, because you don't know about them
2012-08-28T23:03:56 < zyp> to take an example: chibios supports avr
2012-08-28T23:03:58 < jpa-> (and not pay $100 for an arduino wifi shield :)
2012-08-28T23:04:30 < Erlkoenig> maybe people say "i dont want no OS i want to learn it myself" :D
2012-08-28T23:04:59 < BrainDamage> an os is useful for generally few pourposes: hardware abstraction, task management, memory management
2012-08-28T23:05:04 < zyp> Erlkoenig, and then there is the question; what do you consider an OS?
2012-08-28T23:05:27 < BrainDamage> the latter 2 are basically useless for single pourpose hardware / simple tasks
2012-08-28T23:05:32 < Erlkoenig> zyp: certainly not windows. :D
2012-08-28T23:05:48 < BrainDamage> hardware abstraction can be done using libs, or simply by ignoring it or relying on compatible hw
2012-08-28T23:07:26 < zyp> Erlkoenig, would you for instance consider my stm32 support code an OS? it does hardware abstraction and some basic multithreading
2012-08-28T23:07:45 < bgamari> zyp, The OMAP4 has two M3s?
2012-08-28T23:07:50 < zyp> bgamari, yes
2012-08-28T23:07:56 < bgamari> zyp, Are they accessible for user code
2012-08-28T23:08:12  * bgamari assumed the PRUSS filled this space on OMAP
2012-08-28T23:08:16 < Erlkoenig> how do you abstract access to hardware like the timers? they vary greatly among controllers, with very different capabilities... especially when multiple timers on one µC are different
2012-08-28T23:08:41 < bgamari> zyp, TRM reference?
2012-08-28T23:08:44 < zyp> bgamari, iirc the M3s replaced PRUSS on OMAP4
2012-08-28T23:10:01 < zyp> I was kind of disappointed when I got a beaglebone and discovered the PRUSS stuff instead of some M3 cores :p
2012-08-28T23:10:15 < bgamari> excellent
2012-08-28T23:10:45 < zyp> oh, and OMAP5 got M4 cores instead
2012-08-28T23:10:46 < zyp> :p
2012-08-28T23:11:30  * bgamari was once considering using the PRUSS to run an analog feedback loop
2012-08-28T23:11:51 < bgamari> but the proprietary instruction set was quite demoralizing
2012-08-28T23:16:19 < zyp> yeah
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2012-08-28T23:26:39 < Laurenceb_> muhahaha
2012-08-28T23:26:56  * Laurenceb_ has free CE EMI testing sorted out
2012-08-28T23:27:26 < Laurenceb_> cuz im evil
2012-08-28T23:27:42 <+Steffanx> Tomorrow you'll find some quirck
2012-08-28T23:27:44 <+Steffanx> -c
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2012-08-28T23:45:34 < Laurenceb_> St periph lib timer functions are insane
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2012-08-28T23:51:14 < zyp> Erlkoenig, I'm solving it by having different abstraction levels
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2012-08-28T23:51:31 < Erlkoenig> that explains everything.
2012-08-28T23:52:07 < zyp> i.e. the lowest one is strictly not abstraction, but direct register access
2012-08-28T23:52:26 < zyp> and then I can put a generic pwm layer on top of that
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2012-08-28T23:52:57 < Erlkoenig> that works because PWM is a simple thing every timer can do...
2012-08-28T23:53:03 < zyp> exactly
2012-08-28T23:53:17 < Erlkoenig> but you know the stm32f4 timers they can do a crazy lot of stuff
2012-08-28T23:53:46 < zyp> if you only need pwm, you use the generic layer that's portable to any timer
2012-08-28T23:54:04 < Erlkoenig> that, e.g. the AVR's can't do... so you have fun querying what the timer can do and what not
2012-08-28T23:54:17 < zyp> if you need crazy stuff, your code won't be portable to timers not supporting crazy stuff, so there is no point in abstracting that
2012-08-28T23:54:38 < zyp> querying how?
2012-08-28T23:54:38 < BrainDamage> that's why you have hw specific code for the specific problem
2012-08-28T23:54:40 < Erlkoenig> that's what i wanted to say :D if you bug a µC which can do crazy stuff, you probably will ned it :D
2012-08-28T23:55:03 < BrainDamage> you don't *want* to have a generic lib that handles all the cases
2012-08-28T23:55:09 < Erlkoenig> zyp: well the user code queries the library "can my timer decode pwm's?" or something
2012-08-28T23:55:09 < BrainDamage> nobody would ever want to use it
2012-08-28T23:55:17 < Erlkoenig> exactl
2012-08-28T23:55:18 < Erlkoenig> y
2012-08-28T23:55:33 < zyp> Erlkoenig, why would it? what would the user code do if the timer can't decode pwm?
2012-08-28T23:56:13 < Erlkoenig> crashing? :D
2012-08-28T23:56:36 < zyp> the point of abstraction is not to make user applications fully portable between different MCUs, the point is to make modules portable
2012-08-28T23:56:57 < Erlkoenig> and what if a module depends on timers?
2012-08-28T23:57:12 < zyp> if I have a generic pwm abstraction layer, I can make a generic motor control module to interface with ESCs using pwm
2012-08-28T23:57:22 < zyp> and that module will be portable to any mcu
2012-08-28T23:57:45 < Erlkoenig> but what if you need a crazy combination of mulitple timers and dma in you module`
2012-08-28T23:58:09 < zyp> then you write a module that will only work on a specific microcontroller
2012-08-28T23:58:37 < zyp> at that point you make the api of that module another abstraction layer, so you just exchange the whole module on another microcontroller
2012-08-28T23:59:13 < upgrdman_> anyone know of an effective way to remove the pin headers on the discovery boards? for small headers i normally do a solder bridge and pull them out... but that won't work too well with those huge arrays on the disco boards
2012-08-28T23:59:40 < BrainDamage> can you waste 10$?
2012-08-28T23:59:55 < BrainDamage> you can buy a cheap soldering iron with integrated solder sucker
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2012-08-29T00:00:11 < BrainDamage> since the pins are plated trough hole, it's the only way
2012-08-29T00:00:11 < Laurenceb_> i pull them out pin by pin with pliers
2012-08-29T00:00:21 < zyp> I was about to suggest what Laurenceb_ said
2012-08-29T00:00:30 < BrainDamage> ok, the painful way :p
2012-08-29T00:01:01 < BrainDamage> I wish they just left the holes open and gave you the pin header stripes :/
2012-08-29T00:02:14 < zyp> time to invent solder pliers
2012-08-29T00:02:31 < zyp> so you can apply heat and pull them out with the same tool in one operation :p
2012-08-29T00:02:49 < upgrdman_> hum, i can get a solder sucker... will that work as well with a regulat iron (hakko 888 if that matters)
2012-08-29T00:03:07 < BrainDamage> the probem is heating and sucking at the same time
2012-08-29T00:03:08 < upgrdman_> i never really liked solder suckers, but i should give them another try. wick isn't cheap :)
2012-08-29T00:03:10 < zyp> forget about that, the holes are plated
2012-08-29T00:03:25 < zyp> upgrdman_, I've never liked wick
2012-08-29T00:03:40 < zyp> I've always had much better experiences with solder suckers
2012-08-29T00:03:45 < upgrdman_> really? ok. i love wick
2012-08-29T00:04:39 < zyp> that's probably because I learned solder suckers when I first started soldering
2012-08-29T00:04:45 < upgrdman_> regarding the stm32f4, in the disco board manual they list pins that can do, for example, "TIM1_CH1" and "TIM_CH1N" ... wtf is "N"?
2012-08-29T00:04:52 < BrainDamage> for smd suckers are useless tough
2012-08-29T00:04:54 < zyp> negative
2012-08-29T00:04:59 < zyp> i.e. inverted
2012-08-29T00:05:05 < zyp> BrainDamage, not at all
2012-08-29T00:05:10 < upgrdman_> zyp: thats the only diff?
2012-08-29T00:05:45 < zyp> upgrdman_, yes, TIM1_CH1N is the inverted variant of TIM1_CH1
2012-08-29T00:05:52 < upgrdman_> ok. thanks!
2012-08-29T00:05:58 < zyp> it's documented in the TIM1 chapter of the reference manual
2012-08-29T00:06:29 < upgrdman_> ya, about that... havn't ready that chapter yet. still playing with the basic timers. :)
2012-08-29T00:06:36 < upgrdman_> read*
2012-08-29T00:07:15 < zyp> it's intended for purposes where you need both
2012-08-29T00:07:38 < zyp> toggling one line on and one line off at the same time
2012-08-29T00:07:45 < Laurenceb_> its not quite as simple aiui
2012-08-29T00:07:52 < Laurenceb_> you can introduce "dead time"
2012-08-29T00:38:51 < Laurenceb_> which is useful for stopping brushless controller blowing up
2012-08-29T00:42:19 < zyp> how, exactly, are you going to use them for brushless controllers?
2012-08-29T00:42:31 < zyp> in a way that makes deadtime matter
2012-08-29T00:43:16 < BrainDamage> if you have an H bridge
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2012-08-29T00:44:02 < BrainDamage> for instance if you control the upper mos and lower separately
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2012-08-29T00:44:17 < zyp> yes, you do that in brushless controllers
2012-08-29T00:44:33 < Laurenceb_> thats what i meant
2012-08-29T00:44:44 < Laurenceb_> use the N channel for the other side
2012-08-29T00:44:54 < zyp> Laurenceb_, are you talking three phase brushless or what?
2012-08-29T00:44:58 < Laurenceb_> oh wait
2012-08-29T00:45:01  * Laurenceb_ fails
2012-08-29T00:45:07 < Laurenceb_> i forgot the third phase
2012-08-29T00:45:50 < BrainDamage> meh, bipolar steppers, 1 H bridge per coil
2012-08-29T00:45:51 < zyp> anyway, three phase brushless have no need for deadtime, there is no risk of shoot through
2012-08-29T00:46:07 < BrainDamage> and brushless are 3x H bridge "halves"
2012-08-29T00:46:52 < zyp> there are six steps in the commutation cycle, and for a given pole the cycle goes like this: H H Z L L Z
2012-08-29T00:47:11 < upgrdman_> if using a n-fet and p-fet, couldnt you just run them from the same trace?
2012-08-29T00:47:31 < BrainDamage> with correct tresholds, etc, yes
2012-08-29T00:47:32 < zyp> so there is never any pole going directly from positive to negative
2012-08-29T00:48:25 < zyp> see http://bin.jvnv.net/f/BdzB6.png for a practical example of this
2012-08-29T00:48:27 < BrainDamage> AB' B'C CA' A'B BC' C'A
2012-08-29T00:48:49 < BrainDamage> just remember that you keep the last side of the half bridge stuck and move to the next
2012-08-29T00:50:25 < zyp> I don't understand your notation
2012-08-29T00:52:06 < BrainDamage> call A, B, C the motor poles
2012-08-29T00:52:25 < BrainDamage> letter normal = connected to Vcc, with apex, connected to gnd
2012-08-29T00:52:27 < zyp> yes, that's what I did in my logic analyzer trace
2012-08-29T00:52:34 < zyp> ah
2012-08-29T00:52:52 < zyp> yes, you are right
2012-08-29T00:54:07 < BrainDamage> ofc if you have one side to Vcc to keep current flow you want the other to gnd, so it's very easy to reconstruct the signaling
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2012-08-29T00:54:55 < zyp> I do pwm on high side
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2012-08-29T00:55:31 < zyp> while low side are simply on/off
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2012-08-29T01:52:52 < Laurenceb_> zyp: why do you use pwm, rather than change the duration of the commutation?
2012-08-29T01:56:48 < BrainDamage> so you get current modulation
2012-08-29T01:56:58 < BrainDamage> see trapezoidal drive vs sinusoidal
2012-08-29T01:57:07 < BrainDamage> you get better torque, less torque ripple
2012-08-29T01:59:51 < Laurenceb_> interesting
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2012-08-29T03:17:07 < dongs> sup blogs
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2012-08-29T03:29:48 < cjbaird> dongs: your video efforts are small-time: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17652211
2012-08-29T03:38:33 < cjbaird> Should probably be changed to squeezing pimples for the Western market..
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2012-08-29T03:50:22 < dongs> cjbaird: unlike you, i don't have a nicovideo account.
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2012-08-29T03:54:19 < cjbaird> Youtube was too mainstream.
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2012-08-29T04:02:20 < dongs> well, shit
2012-08-29T04:02:25 < dongs> i installed win8 in vmware and I think its great
2012-08-29T04:02:39 < dongs> shoulda just installed it on my desktop few days ago when win7 shitted itself after powerdown.
2012-08-29T04:02:54 < dongs> once youre past the dumb pastel sliding login screen, the normal desktop is just like win7
2012-08-29T04:03:59 < dongs> pressing start+typing program name still works like in 7
2012-08-29T04:06:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2t8hd.png lol
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2012-08-29T04:20:00 < qyx_> that font looks horrible
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2012-08-29T04:28:54 < lyra2> dongs start menu is working?! i have read multiple times that MS decided to get rid of it
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2012-08-29T05:03:08 < cjbaird> Cool result from the uart camera-- it's now taking several captures and doing a simple averaging mean, and the result doesn't have the jpeg blocking artifacts.
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2012-08-29T05:20:52 < cjbaird> http://i.imgur.com/lfdqp.png
2012-08-29T05:23:44 < DLPeterson> cjbaird: what model camera was that taken with?
2012-08-29T05:28:05 < cjbaird> "something very cheap"; vimicro SoC controller. A generic 640x480 security camera.
2012-08-29T05:30:35 < cjbaird> I'm thinking that an improved pixel averaging, which discards outliers (and what're most likely encoding artifacts) will be the next thing to do.
2012-08-29T05:41:47 < cjbaird> imggirl is jpeg-encoding my Science; here's a 32-frame result comparison: http://kildall.apana.org.au/~cjb/out-32simpleaverage.png
2012-08-29T05:42:50 < cjbaird> The 32 frames took ~10 minutes to download from the camera, though. :/
2012-08-29T05:44:32 < cjbaird> Oh well, the eventual plan is to transmit the pics over a slow radio interface, so no big deal..
2012-08-29T05:44:43 < cjbaird> Now attempting a 3-channel colour pic..
2012-08-29T05:59:15 < LeelooMinai> Somehow I have USART2_IRQ firing continuously... I was under the impression that the pending flag will be cleared automatically on entry.  Any tips/ideas?
2012-08-29T06:05:55 < dongs> lyra2: it works as far as I need it to use
2012-08-29T06:06:04 < dongs> lyra2: which is pressing start, and typing first few letters of the program i want to run
2012-08-29T06:08:45 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: I don't think the interrupt flags in the status register are cleared automatically.  You should read the SR into a variable, then write to the status regsiter to clear all the various interrupt bits (CTS, LBD, TC, RXNE), and then handle the each of the interrupts that occured.
2012-08-29T06:10:56 < LeelooMinai> I mean global interrupt for USART2
2012-08-29T06:11:19 < LeelooMinai> Shouldn't it go from pending state to active to not pending?
2012-08-29T06:11:52 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: yes, I think that should happen automatically
2012-08-29T06:12:09 < DLPeterson> but if you don't clear the bits in the SR, it will get pended again.
2012-08-29T06:13:24 < DLPeterson> *I think*
2012-08-29T06:13:34 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, thx, will focus on those then
2012-08-29T06:15:06 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: here is an example of how I do this in a Timer interrupt: https://github.com/hazelnusse/robot.bicycle/blob/master/Interrupts.cpp#L25
2012-08-29T06:19:05 < LeelooMinai> Well, I don't see where... unless you mean inside those CH_IQR...() calls
2012-08-29T06:19:57 < LeelooMinai> A, I see line 27
2012-08-29T06:20:08 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: yeah, line 27
2012-08-29T06:21:57 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: the CTS, LBD, TC, and RXNE bits in the SR are also all rc_w0, and the rest of the bits in the SR are read only, so you should be able to do:  uint32_t sr = USART2->SR; USART2->SR = ~sr;
2012-08-29T06:22:31 < dongs> wut
2012-08-29T06:23:32 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: and then create an if/else or switch block to check which bits in sr were set and handle them appropriately.
2012-08-29T06:27:21 < LeelooMinai> Yes, sure... well, to be honest I more pondering this general idea of interrupts just reoccuring - seems weird to me.
2012-08-29T06:27:29 < dongs> you dont need to clear anything in SR dude.
2012-08-29T06:27:35 < dongs> step1: read it into temp var
2012-08-29T06:27:48 < dongs> if (tempvar & whatever_flag)
2012-08-29T06:27:54 < dongs> then disable txe interrupt if youre done sending
2012-08-29T06:27:59 < dongs> thats all you need to do in global handler
2012-08-29T06:28:18 < dongs> but better off just use DMA
2012-08-29T06:28:20 < dongs> thats what its for
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2012-08-29T06:29:24 < LeelooMinai> Ok, I think this sidetracked a bit
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2012-08-29T06:31:16 < LeelooMinai> My original impression was that when a data is moved from the TC register, the TXE even flag is set and then if TXEIE is enabled, an interrupt is generated...
2012-08-29T06:31:56 < LeelooMinai> Now, why would it be generated again afterwards if the data register is not touched?
2012-08-29T06:33:15 < LeelooMinai> I cannot trace this in PDFs
2012-08-29T06:36:27 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/97SzUh38.html
2012-08-29T06:36:34 < dongs> here's a typical handler
2012-08-29T06:36:44 < dongs> what 'TC' register? you mean DR register?
2012-08-29T06:37:31 < LeelooMinai> No, sorry, the data transmit register - the one being taken to the shift register
2012-08-29T06:40:11 < cjbaird> http://kildall.apana.org.au/~cjb/out-color.png (some colourspace issues..)
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2012-08-29T06:47:16 < dongs> LeelooMinai: where is your code.
2012-08-29T06:47:22 < dongs> i have no idea what youer talking abou
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2012-08-29T06:49:21 < LeelooMinai> Just TDR register
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2012-08-29T06:54:46 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: I think you mean the DR.  dongs is right about not needing to clear the TXE, TC, or RXNE bits in the SR as that is done when reading/writing the DR. See page 790 of RM0008.
2012-08-29T06:55:54 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/b66nT.png
2012-08-29T06:56:37 < LeelooMinai> I know TXE cleared when writing to the this register
2012-08-29T06:57:37 < LeelooMinai> However, my question was more about a scenario where the interupt is generated and inside you don't write to the register. Will it be regenerated?
2012-08-29T06:57:49 < LeelooMinai> I mean interrupt.
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2012-08-29T07:00:10 < dongs> anyone remember what was that chrome extension i was recommending to get rid of bullshit google search tracing resutls
2012-08-29T07:00:13 < dongs> cant find it again
2012-08-29T07:06:19 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: If you don't clear it manually or by reading/writing DR, then yes, I believe it will be pended again.  But I could be wrong.
2012-08-29T07:07:43 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I also noticed that TXE and TC flags are set on reset, so I guess when you enable TXE interrupt it will be generated immediately
2012-08-29T07:08:20 < LeelooMinai> Which may be or me be not what you want
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2012-08-29T07:41:53 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: if TXEIE and TCIE are not set in CR1, then the interrupt won't be generated.  So you can keep the global interrupt enabled, and then just set/clear those bits in CR1 when you want interrupts to be generated by the peripheral.
2012-08-29T07:43:38 < DLPeterson> LeelooMinai: on reset, the all the USART interrupt enable bits are clear, so you shouldn't be getting any interrupts until you actually enable them in the peripheral (and in the NVIC)
2012-08-29T07:44:12 < LeelooMinai> Right, ok, thx
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2012-08-29T09:08:26 < ossifrage> I need to give some firmware to someone to upgrade a stm32F1 using the usart bootloader on windows, any suggestions on a tool to use? (I'm not a windows user)
2012-08-29T09:10:14 < ossifrage> A found a stm32flash windows build
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2012-08-29T09:15:06 < zyp> Laurenceb, because duration of commutation is dictated by motor rpm, you can't commutate faster or slower than the motor spins, otherwise it will stall
2012-08-29T09:17:16 < zyp> pwm controls how much power you supply the motor, which together with load determines how fast it will spin, then you use back-emf sensing to find the rpm and commutation duration
2012-08-29T09:19:58 < zyp> it's kind of like how gasoline engines work; power is controlled by how much air/fuel is injected, which together with load determines rpm, which again determines ignition and valve timing
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2012-08-29T09:35:50 < cjbaird> I wonder how far I can get with using an LED-backlit LCD monitor as a colour-swatch for calibrating the cmos camera colour output..
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2012-08-29T09:39:03 < zyp> as far as the accuracy of the monitor?
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2012-08-29T09:43:07 < cjbaird> LED LCD sRGB is reasonably accurate.. I'm thinking it could certainly improve on the arse-tier uncorrected colour I'm currently getting from the camera.
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2012-08-29T09:47:25 < cjbaird> Determine what the response curves are for the red,green,blue filters on the cmos detector -> multiply across the pixel data -> determine what it should be in sRGB space
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2012-08-29T09:55:40 < cjbaird> health blog: I'm in serious trouble-- I was fishing for ingredients in the kitchen cupboard, and while moving the jar of pickled habanero it splashed out and I got a lot of it on my arm.. An early start to Do-Not-Fap-September.
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2012-08-29T10:03:23 < zyp> fun
2012-08-29T10:04:59 < jpa-> no lid in the jar?
2012-08-29T10:05:36 < cjbaird> It was on crooked. :/
2012-08-29T10:10:17 < jpa-> put a condom on and you can still fap
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2012-08-29T10:15:49 < dongs> cjbaird: one of your kind just joined
2012-08-29T10:19:41 < cjbaird> Let's start a breeding programme
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2012-08-29T11:01:57 < LeelooMinai> Anyone here uses embsys view in eclipse?
2012-08-29T11:10:54 < dongs> eclipse is too freetard for me
2012-08-29T11:12:01 < LeelooMinai> Right.... what does it even mean?
2012-08-29T11:12:18 < dongs> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Freetard
2012-08-29T11:12:22 < zyp> it means «no»
2012-08-29T11:13:17 < LeelooMinai> lol, I must have missed it when free soft went out of style
2012-08-29T11:16:26 < dongs> You should use the new Open Office 6.00 on Ubuntu 12.4: Raging Rhinosaurus. It's like a million times better than Word and XP and once you learn how to use BASH and VI and shell scripting and python scripting and the C programming language and x86 instructions you'll be way more productive using your computer.
2012-08-29T11:16:27 < dongs> lfao
2012-08-29T11:17:13 < LeelooMinai> Man, you have some serious problems:p
2012-08-29T11:17:43 < LeelooMinai> Are you some kind of resident super-troll? :0
2012-08-29T11:17:51 < dongs> no of course not
2012-08-29T11:19:13 <+izua> dongs: ಠ_ಠ
2012-08-29T11:20:29 < jpa-> someone put a keyboard in his pants, and dongs is the result
2012-08-29T11:21:07 < dongs> izua: wat
2012-08-29T11:21:52 <+izua> i just combined a 620 images into a pdf.
2012-08-29T11:22:05 <+izua> this wonderful pdf software decided to create an individual pdf for each by default settings
2012-08-29T11:22:10 <+izua> look of disapproval
2012-08-29T11:22:11 <+izua> also@dongs
2012-08-29T11:22:44 < dongs> izua: you did it wrong
2012-08-29T11:22:52 < dongs> select all, right click, combine supported files as pdf.
2012-08-29T11:22:56 < dongs> rearrange pages if necessary
2012-08-29T11:22:58 < dongs> bingo.
2012-08-29T11:23:03 < dongs> thats how you do it wiht commercial software
2012-08-29T11:23:06 < dongs> and it works.
2012-08-29T11:23:10 <+izua> myeah, something like that
2012-08-29T11:23:22 <+izua> but some hidden advanced option was unchecked for "combine files"
2012-08-29T11:23:27 < dongs> bullshit
2012-08-29T11:23:34 <+izua> good thing they didn't have the "open pdf after creation" checked though
2012-08-29T11:23:58 <+izua> i now know approximately how many icons fit on the desktop
2012-08-29T11:24:12 <+izua> with the existing ones, it got around page 275
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2012-08-29T11:27:19 <+izua> dongs: i forgot how useful urban dictionary could be. here's my first recommendation: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bellagio
2012-08-29T11:27:24 <+izua> When an individual in a group vomits which triggers a domino effect of subsequent individuals vomiting in a chain reaction reminiscent of the water show in front of the Bellagio in Las Vegas.
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2012-08-29T11:27:40 <+izua> and right under it says "Add a video"
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2012-08-29T11:34:01 < dongs> awesome.
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2012-08-29T11:41:45 < cjbaird> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hacker%20Spaces
2012-08-29T11:50:25 <+izua> A place where Art Students and others who lack the essential self-direction to be Real Hackers go to acquire Geek Chic with their snap-together Arduino kits bought online.
2012-08-29T11:50:55 < dongs> haha
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2012-08-29T12:19:58 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, that's weird - somehow all the DMA registers read 0 and any write to that memory does not change anything...
2012-08-29T12:20:09 < dongs> you didnt enable clock for that peripheral
2012-08-29T12:20:36 < LeelooMinai> Aha
2012-08-29T12:21:06 < LeelooMinai> I had a thought like this, but I didn't notice anything regarding clock in the examples - thx
2012-08-29T12:21:23 < jpa-> it's called RCC :)
2012-08-29T12:21:31 < jpa-> (reset and clock control)
2012-08-29T12:21:47 < jpa-> why doesn't my processor restart when i do  SCB->AIRCR |= SCB_AIRCR_SYSRESETREQ;
2012-08-29T12:24:58 < zyp> because you aren't writing the VECTKEY part of the register
2012-08-29T12:25:29 < zyp> «On writes, write 0x5FA to VECTKEY, otherwise the write is ignored.»
2012-08-29T12:25:52 < dongs>     SCB->AIRCR = AIRCR_VECTKEY_MASK | (uint32_t)0x04;
2012-08-29T12:26:02 < dongs> gotta mask w/that
2012-08-29T12:26:28 < zyp> i.e. SCB->AIRCR = 0x05fa0004;
2012-08-29T12:26:35 < dongs> in zypcode
2012-08-29T12:26:38 < zyp> :)
2012-08-29T12:27:08 < jpa-> zyp: oh, thanks
2012-08-29T12:27:09 < dongs> actually if it was zyp writing it he'd probably just do *(uint32_t *)0x50001230 = 0x05fa0004;
2012-08-29T12:27:18 < dongs> 0x500blah being aircr address.
2012-08-29T12:28:01 < zyp> good idea
2012-08-29T12:28:08 < zyp> I'll start doing that
2012-08-29T12:28:18 < dongs> make sure not to leave any comments.
2012-08-29T12:29:49 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1567900542/mini-i2c-oled ...........
2012-08-29T12:30:07  * LeelooMinai wonders how many "Traps for A New Player" (As Dave would say,) she will encounter the upcoming weeks...
2012-08-29T12:30:10 < zyp> ha, I remember I saw that one
2012-08-29T12:31:54 < dongs> http://adafruit.com/products/661 haha, aidsfruit has similar shit for EVEN MORE $
2012-08-29T12:32:11 < dongs> I bought some of those dualcolor  oled displays from HK for basically nothing
2012-08-29T12:32:35 < LeelooMinai> What is HK?
2012-08-29T12:32:44 < jpa-> $10 extra for more reliable documentation is not a bad deal
2012-08-29T12:33:17 < dongs> http://sabernetics.com/wp-content/uploads/wpstorecart/Back.jpg i still need to figure out how to machine solder those fpc connectors.
2012-08-29T12:34:26 < zyp> isn't it faster just to handsolder them after reflowing the rest of the board?
2012-08-29T12:34:43 < dongs> i dont know, but surely chinks making 10000123010540s of shits dont handsolder it
2012-08-29T12:35:09 < dongs> alsao why oes TAHT board looks awfully handsoldered
2012-08-29T12:35:10 < zyp> isn't that kind of work exactly what chinks are suited for?
2012-08-29T12:35:14 < dongs> how dare they sell that shit for $19.95
2012-08-29T12:36:22 < dongs> Skype interview with me, chat about anything! Also includes One Limited edition, hand soldered, working prototype I2C-Mini OLED module made by me. And One retail I2C Mini-OLED module.
2012-08-29T12:36:27 < dongs> oh yea.
2012-08-29T12:36:27 < dongs> thats a fucking bargain.
2012-08-29T12:36:29 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... cannot you just reflow those?
2012-08-29T12:36:31 < dongs> anyone wanna have a skype interview with me?
2012-08-29T12:37:32 < LeelooMinai> I think those connectors can be reflowable... so you would just press them with something semi-heavy to the board and done.
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2012-08-29T12:42:47 <+izua>  dongs: with dongs, or dongs, inc?
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2012-08-29T12:43:30 < dongs> he got so excited he had t o /raegquit
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2012-08-29T13:30:51 < dongs> http://en.paperblog.com/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-294795/
2012-08-29T13:30:55 < dongs> now thats real trolling
2012-08-29T13:33:14 < Thorn> does such an amount of coins exist at all?
2012-08-29T13:33:37 < Thorn> not counting those in circulation
2012-08-29T13:35:21 < dongs> ill pickup galaxy s3 , thanks apple
2012-08-29T13:44:22 < jpa-> Thorn: no, it's a fake article
2012-08-29T13:45:42 < Thorn> looks a little too fake
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2012-08-29T14:35:04 <+Steffanx> nu
2012-08-29T14:37:10 < BrainDamage> ν
2012-08-29T14:38:18 <+Steffanx> That too
2012-08-29T14:41:31 < Laurenceb> does usb on the F1 use the memory bus?
2012-08-29T14:44:03 < zyp> huh?
2012-08-29T14:44:13 < Laurenceb> oh i see
2012-08-29T14:44:19 < Laurenceb> it has 512byte sram
2012-08-29T14:44:45 < Laurenceb> i was wondering if my spi issues with uSD cards were due to bus congestion
2012-08-29T14:45:45 < Laurenceb> but no
2012-08-29T14:46:42 <+Steffanx> Self-answering questions are nice
2012-08-29T14:48:22 < dongs> your issues with uSD cards are cuz your code has no spaces i nit
2012-08-29T14:58:16 < Laurenceb> in other news timers wont work :(
2012-08-29T14:59:06 < Laurenceb> timer3 works
2012-08-29T14:59:16 < Laurenceb> but everything slaved off it doesnt
2012-08-29T14:59:24 < Laurenceb> i seem to have missed something  https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/timer.c#L112
2012-08-29T15:00:29 < Laurenceb> timer2 never runs
2012-08-29T15:03:41 <+Steffanx> spaces :P
2012-08-29T15:06:36 <+Steffanx> You really like that Laurenceb ?
2012-08-29T15:06:49 < Laurenceb> huh
2012-08-29T15:06:57 <+Steffanx> Spaceless code
2012-08-29T15:13:13 < Laurenceb> its more compact
2012-08-29T15:13:54 <+Steffanx> less readable
2012-08-29T15:15:03 < zyp> copy protection
2012-08-29T15:15:09 <+Steffanx> heh
2012-08-29T15:16:35 < Laurenceb> anyone want to try gated timers?
2012-08-29T15:16:40 < Laurenceb> i cant make it work
2012-08-29T15:17:10 < Laurenceb> i seem to have a copy of RM p383
2012-08-29T15:17:52 < Laurenceb> unless the order matters...
2012-08-29T15:18:11 < Laurenceb> my slave isnt getting a clk
2012-08-29T15:20:42 < jpa->  http://imgur.com/xhKhx => http://imgur.com/a/VZDti
2012-08-29T15:22:20 < Laurenceb> lmao
2012-08-29T15:23:58 < karlp> awesome
2012-08-29T15:24:06 <+Steffanx> NICE
2012-08-29T15:26:04 < zyp> :D
2012-08-29T15:27:32 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/29/will_i_am_cast_mars_comment/
2012-08-29T15:27:34 < Laurenceb> lolling
2012-08-29T15:28:38 <+Steffanx> So bought a cheap pir sensor today.. lets try to do something useful today with it :)
2012-08-29T15:31:19 <+Steffanx> The sensor itself has very advanced datasheet :D
2012-08-29T15:31:23 < jpa-> maybe it can emit some smoke
2012-08-29T15:31:44 <+Steffanx> photocopy + extra handwriting
2012-08-29T15:33:41 <+Steffanx> All PCB should look like this.. you can find all part numbers + resistor values on the pcb
2012-08-29T15:34:19 < cjbaird> Laurenceb: they had mowhawk boy front-and-centre at the NASA presentation for that, too. :/
2012-08-29T15:34:31 < jpa-> Steffanx: then there is too much space on the pcb
2012-08-29T15:34:51 < zyp> yeah
2012-08-29T15:35:02 <+Steffanx> You don't want to know  what it looks like jpa-
2012-08-29T15:35:13 < jpa-> i do
2012-08-29T15:35:15 < jpa-> photos, now
2012-08-29T15:36:00 <+Steffanx> http://huinink.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/pir0.jpg .. not mine but it's VERY similar
2012-08-29T15:39:48 <+Steffanx> Chinese quality
2012-08-29T15:41:41 < Laurenceb> hmm looks like a thermopile to me
2012-08-29T15:42:24 <+Steffanx> Whatever a thermopile is
2012-08-29T15:42:47 <+Steffanx> The datasheets says "piezo-electry IR"
2012-08-29T15:43:39 < BrainDamage> thermopile = peltier, thermocouple
2012-08-29T15:43:45 < Laurenceb> oh
2012-08-29T15:43:53 < Laurenceb> its not thermopile then
2012-08-29T15:44:07 < Laurenceb> its one of the thermoelectric sensors
2012-08-29T15:44:17 < dongs> obviously PIR sensor shit
2012-08-29T15:44:34 < BrainDamage> those sensors are PIR = pyroelectric infrared
2012-08-29T15:44:54 < Laurenceb> i think it stands for passive IR
2012-08-29T15:45:01 < Laurenceb> some use thermopiles
2012-08-29T15:45:27 < BrainDamage> mmm, the gradient would be ridicolous, no?
2012-08-29T15:45:57 <+Steffanx> This is what the ds looks like http://datasheet.seekic.com/PdfFile/PIS/PIS209S_ETC_ETC.pdf
2012-08-29T15:46:36 < Laurenceb> ooh nice
2012-08-29T15:46:43 < Laurenceb> dual element sensor with a FET
2012-08-29T15:46:58 < Laurenceb> bet it would attach to logic level pin
2012-08-29T15:47:23 <+Steffanx> it doesn't
2012-08-29T15:47:31 < Laurenceb> or the wakeup pin on an F1
2012-08-29T15:47:40 < Laurenceb> try removing it and seeing what you can do
2012-08-29T15:47:41 <+Steffanx> http://www.sc-tech.cn/en/LP0001.pdf that's what it uses
2012-08-29T15:48:30 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-29T15:50:21 < Laurenceb> nutty custom ics
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2012-08-29T16:18:27 < Laurenceb> aha works
2012-08-29T16:18:29 < Laurenceb> kind of
2012-08-29T16:18:48 < Laurenceb> some sort of timing lag issue in the gating propogation
2012-08-29T16:19:10 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/timer.c#L138  <- fail was there
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2012-08-29T16:38:39 < Laurenceb> interesting
2012-08-29T16:39:18 < Laurenceb> the MSM bit is needed
2012-08-29T16:39:48 < Laurenceb> otherwise there is unpredictable delay in the master/slave gating and sometimes clocks are missed
2012-08-29T16:40:02 < Laurenceb> it seems to force some sort of synchronisation
2012-08-29T16:40:29 < Laurenceb> but im still missing some clocks somewhere
2012-08-29T16:40:40 < Laurenceb> at least its consistent now
2012-08-29T16:48:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/29/apple_genius_bar_manual/
2012-08-29T16:48:27 < Laurenceb> lolling at example
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2012-08-29T16:59:59 < Laurenceb> Konversation eh?
2012-08-29T17:01:01 < BrainDamage> kopete
2012-08-29T17:02:41 < Tectu> BrainDamage, do you use OpenSCAD on your arch?
2012-08-29T17:03:03 < BrainDamage> seldomly
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2012-08-29T17:09:03 < Tectu> but it runs?
2012-08-29T17:09:06 < Tectu> do you have an nvidia?
2012-08-29T17:09:42 < BrainDamage> nvidia yes, I have to recompile from time to time
2012-08-29T17:09:48 < BrainDamage> when the drivers update
2012-08-29T17:09:54 < BrainDamage> due to that stupid glew lib
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2012-08-29T17:11:26 < Tectu> BrainDamage, i have render failures on my nvidia when it comes to the lightning / shadowing... it is like it is bright or it has a shadow
2012-08-29T17:11:30 < Tectu> the shadow is staticly
2012-08-29T17:11:38 < Tectu> i don't have that problem on my notebook with intel graphics
2012-08-29T17:11:48 < Tectu> what driver do you use? i have the xf86 stuff
2012-08-29T17:11:59 < BrainDamage> the official nvidia driver
2012-08-29T17:12:31 < Tectu> last time i tried that (3 years ago) i couldn't make it run
2012-08-29T17:12:35 < Tectu> is it in the repos now or what?
2012-08-29T17:12:40 < Tectu> did you get it from nvidia.com?
2012-08-29T17:12:46 < BrainDamage> it's in the repos
2012-08-29T17:13:17 < BrainDamage> pacman -S nvidia nvidia-utils libvdpau
2012-08-29T17:16:05 < Tectu> coool
2012-08-29T17:16:12 < Tectu> have  to try that tomorrow, thanks BrainDamage
2012-08-29T17:30:39 < Laurenceb> *rage*
2012-08-29T17:30:46 < Laurenceb> seems i lose half a clk
2012-08-29T17:30:55 < Laurenceb> in the gating system
2012-08-29T17:30:58 < zyp> *yawn*
2012-08-29T17:30:58 < Laurenceb> very odd
2012-08-29T17:31:02 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-29T17:31:22 < Laurenceb> cant make it synchronise
2012-08-29T17:31:24 < Tectu> Laurenceb, did you ever do anything in your live without failure?
2012-08-29T17:31:27 < Laurenceb> no
2012-08-29T17:34:46 < Laurenceb> hey i fail less than tom66 from rcgroups
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2012-08-29T17:43:31 < Laurenceb> seems that timer gating has half integer propagation delays
2012-08-29T17:48:21 < Laurenceb> can anyone understand ref manual fig 141?
2012-08-29T17:51:25 < zyp> which revision are you reading?
2012-08-29T17:51:48 < Laurenceb> 0008
2012-08-29T17:51:51 < zyp> no.
2012-08-29T17:51:56 < zyp> «Figure 141. Gating timer 2 with OC1REF of timer 1» is that right?
2012-08-29T17:51:59 < Laurenceb> yes
2012-08-29T17:52:10 < Laurenceb> theres a delay
2012-08-29T17:52:13 < zyp> what do you not understand?
2012-08-29T17:52:39 < Laurenceb> timer2-cnt counting is delayed
2012-08-29T17:52:46 < Laurenceb> im not sure by how much
2012-08-29T17:53:26 < Laurenceb> is that a propogation delay or 3 CK_INT clocks?
2012-08-29T17:54:16 < zyp> isn't that just due to uninitialized prescaler?
2012-08-29T17:54:31 < Laurenceb> im seeing the overcall clocked duration for timer2 seems to be 3.5clks shorted than the duration the gate is high
2012-08-29T17:54:36 < Laurenceb> yeah maybe
2012-08-29T17:54:44 < Laurenceb> but that wouldn't explain wehat i see
2012-08-29T17:54:57 < zyp> 3.5 clocks?
2012-08-29T17:55:19 < zyp> doesn't both timers run from the same clock source?
2012-08-29T17:55:27 < Laurenceb> they do
2012-08-29T17:55:32 < Laurenceb> thats why im confused
2012-08-29T17:55:43 < Laurenceb> TIM_SelectMasterSlaveMode(TIM2,TIM_MasterSlaveMode_Enable); makes no apparent difference to this behaviour
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2012-08-29T17:56:14 < Laurenceb> both timers run at 72mhz
2012-08-29T17:57:25 < zyp> and you have one timer gating the other?
2012-08-29T17:57:30 < Laurenceb> yes
2012-08-29T17:57:35 < Laurenceb> timer3 gates timer2
2012-08-29T17:57:54 < zyp> ok
2012-08-29T17:57:59 < zyp> so, what is wrong?
2012-08-29T17:59:08 < Laurenceb> timer2 seems 3.5 fewer clocks than expected per timer3 period
2012-08-29T17:59:28 < zyp> how do you get .5?
2012-08-29T17:59:37 < Laurenceb> which i cant fix by fudging as it seems to have a half clk
2012-08-29T17:59:43 < Laurenceb> thats whats confusing me
2012-08-29T18:00:24 < Laurenceb> the phase is slowly changing on timer2
2012-08-29T18:00:35 < zyp> how are you arriving at the number 3.5 then?
2012-08-29T18:00:50 < zyp> what are you calculating to get that?
2012-08-29T18:00:50 < Laurenceb> by observing phase over 10 seconds
2012-08-29T18:01:12 < Laurenceb> the number of clks timer2 phase shifts by
2012-08-29T18:01:23 < Laurenceb> divided by timer3 cycles in that time
2012-08-29T18:05:38 < Laurenceb>   TIM_SelectOutputTrigger(TIM3,TIM_TRGOSource_OC2Ref);
2012-08-29T18:05:38 < Laurenceb>   TIM_OC2Init(TIM3, &TIM_OCInitStructure);		//Tim3,ch2 used for gating
2012-08-29T18:05:38 < Laurenceb>   TIM_OC2PreloadConfig(TIM3, TIM_OCPreload_Enable); TIM_SelectInputTrigger(TIM2,TIM_TS_ITR2);TIM_SelectSlaveMode(TIM2,TIM_SlaveMode_Gated);
2012-08-29T18:05:53 < Laurenceb> is the code
2012-08-29T18:06:32 < Laurenceb> - obviously i init tim3 OCInitStructure
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2012-08-29T18:56:29 < Laurenceb> ok think i might see it
2012-08-29T18:56:48 < Laurenceb> there seems to be a delay that only appears if you daisychain slaved timers
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2012-08-29T19:04:44 < jpa-> gah.. i thought stdperiph was bad enough on it's own, but Laurenceb's code really brings out the worst of it :)
2012-08-29T19:11:12 < zyp> :p
2012-08-29T19:12:22 < jpa-> can't wait until we have the nice zyp-wrappers :)
2012-08-29T19:14:19 < zyp> I'm not looking forward to see what Laurenceb would do with them
2012-08-29T19:14:20 < zyp> :p
2012-08-29T19:28:20 <+Steffanx> At least Laurenceb is smart enough to ignore us
2012-08-29T19:28:33 <+Steffanx> Not sure if it's smart though
2012-08-29T19:32:55 <+Steffanx> fyi Laurenceb, i totally failed at writing "pyro-electric IR" .. ( wrote "piezo-electry IR") :P
2012-08-29T19:34:56 < jpa-> just call it passive infrared :P
2012-08-29T19:35:06 <+Steffanx> Nooo :P
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2012-08-29T20:10:38 < TitanMKD> hello
2012-08-29T20:10:44 < jpa-> olleh
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2012-08-29T20:13:42 <+Steffanx> Nu
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2012-08-29T20:15:05 <+Steffanx> oops
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2012-08-29T20:17:54 < Erlkoenig> Free z80? Like... a free z80 emulator?
2012-08-29T20:18:00 < jpa-> we have a wiki? :o
2012-08-29T20:18:49 <+Steffanx> Yeah, we have jpa-
2012-08-29T20:19:13 < jpa-> since when?
2012-08-29T20:19:32 <+Steffanx> Since .. a few months?
2012-08-29T20:20:19 < Erlkoenig> does it have any pages besides the frontpage?
2012-08-29T20:20:28 <+Steffanx> Don't know
2012-08-29T20:20:32 <+Steffanx> probably not
2012-08-29T20:20:34 < jpa-> does not
2012-08-29T20:20:46 < jpa-> and looks like i'm not going to add any either, no registration link
2012-08-29T20:21:45 <+Steffanx> :P
2012-08-29T20:22:32 <+Steffanx> I forgot my password :P
2012-08-29T20:23:02 <+Steffanx> And i think izua created my account without email address
2012-08-29T20:23:17 < jpa-> way to go :)
2012-08-29T20:23:35 <+Steffanx> So can't reset my password, lol
2012-08-29T20:23:43 < jpa-> not that it's much use to add any content into a wiki that no-one bothers to admin :P
2012-08-29T20:23:57 <+Steffanx> There is no e-mail address recorded for user "Steffanx".
2012-08-29T20:23:58 <+Steffanx> Complete this form to receive an e-mail reminder of your account details.
2012-08-29T20:24:00 <+Steffanx> YEAH, thanks!
2012-08-29T20:27:30 <+Steffanx> dekar, has the power to reset it
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2012-08-29T21:14:42 < qyx_> any good PGA to recommend?
2012-08-29T21:14:49 < qyx_> besides the microchip ones
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2012-08-29T21:16:31 < qyx_> F3 has some inside, but only 7 gains
2012-08-29T21:29:17 <+dekar> Steffanx, so you want a new password?
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2012-08-29T21:30:41 <+dekar> I am not sure how that works, I can change your permissions though
2012-08-29T21:31:21 < zyp> remove all the permissions, Steffanx shouldn't be allowed to do anything!
2012-08-29T21:31:37 < zyp> he will just break everything
2012-08-29T21:31:58 <+dekar> Steffanx, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Resetting_passwords
2012-08-29T21:32:38 <+dekar> I don't think I can set a new password :/
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2012-08-29T21:35:13 <+dekar> I made Lua run a lot better on the stm32 today, it now has around 60kb of memory to play with and I changed the internal datatype from double to float
2012-08-29T21:35:40 <+dekar> now I can allocate tables with 4k elements before running out of memory due to fragmentation
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2012-08-29T21:49:02 < Laurenceb_> see my projects are just as pointless
2012-08-29T21:49:07 < Laurenceb_> but at least i get paid
2012-08-29T21:52:42 <+Steffanx> zyp.. says who?
2012-08-29T21:52:48 <+Steffanx> Arh, too bad dekar
2012-08-29T21:53:44 <+Steffanx> mansfeld, i fail at analog electronics
2012-08-29T21:53:47 <+Steffanx> *man
2012-08-29T21:53:49 < zyp> Steffanx, I just said it
2012-08-29T21:54:36 < Laurenceb_> hook the sensor up to a pot divider
2012-08-29T21:54:43 < Laurenceb_> and see what it looks like on a scope
2012-08-29T21:54:52 < zyp> probably looks like shit
2012-08-29T21:55:02 < Laurenceb_> thats what you want
2012-08-29T21:55:08 <+Steffanx> it looks like shit
2012-08-29T21:55:10 < Laurenceb_> anything but a straight line
2012-08-29T21:56:13 < Laurenceb_> so hook it up to porta pin 0 on an f1 and have it wake up
2012-08-29T21:56:58 <+Steffanx> The bare sensor doesn't output anything useful for a uc ( without some fancy amplifier )
2012-08-29T21:57:28 < Laurenceb_> looks like it has a fet in there to me
2012-08-29T21:57:35 < Laurenceb_> so try it in a pot divider
2012-08-29T21:58:14 <+Steffanx> It has, but it
2012-08-29T21:58:46 <+Steffanx> s not like "signal" => "open the gates!" "No signal" => "Close the gates" :P
2012-08-29T21:59:51 < Laurenceb_> i know
2012-08-29T22:00:03 < Laurenceb_> but what does it look like with a pot divider?
2012-08-29T22:00:45 <+Steffanx> I don't even know what you try to do with a "pot divider"
2012-08-29T22:00:50 <+Steffanx> *what you want
2012-08-29T22:01:04 < Laurenceb_> vcc- r - sensor - gnd
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2012-08-29T22:02:11 <+Steffanx> Nah, I'll go my own way
2012-08-29T22:02:22 <+Steffanx> Signal -> amplify -> do something :)
2012-08-29T22:03:21 < Laurenceb_> needs an amp
2012-08-29T22:03:31 <+Steffanx> So?
2012-08-29T22:23:07 < Laurenceb_> more board are, components etc
2012-08-29T22:23:23 < Laurenceb_> so my boss is like "what is a break point?"
2012-08-29T22:23:45 < Laurenceb_> and im like "something im using for debugging this arm micro over jtag"
2012-08-29T22:23:51 < Laurenceb_> and hes like "wtf"
2012-08-29T22:24:07 < Laurenceb_> so im like "go back to the golf course maybe?"
2012-08-29T22:25:48 <+Steffanx> Don't say you're still at work
2012-08-29T22:27:05 < Laurenceb_> yes
2012-08-29T22:27:37 < Erlkoenig> i had a boss who literally knew just everything... you could, e.g., ask "whytf does february have 28 days while other months have 30/31" and he would explain the historical background. and yes, he knew breakpoints and lots of programming languages... ;)
2012-08-29T22:28:00 <+Steffanx> Hehe
2012-08-29T22:28:22 <+Steffanx> Give me a boss like that
2012-08-29T22:28:45 < Laurenceb_> eveyone here lives at golf center/pub
2012-08-29T22:29:00 < Erlkoenig> he made me learn ruby and scala and that was good for me *G*
2012-08-29T22:29:04 < Laurenceb_> and grabs grants from obscure agencies
2012-08-29T22:29:23 < Erlkoenig> sounds like you should participate *g*
2012-08-29T22:37:13 < zyp> Laurenceb_, «It's the point where you're fed up with everything and go grab lunch»
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2012-08-29T22:45:57 < Laurenceb_> im a token "productive employee"
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2012-08-29T22:52:14 < Laurenceb_> i think i misunderstood the MSM bit
2012-08-29T22:52:20 < Laurenceb_> and ive got a race condition
2012-08-29T22:52:37 < Laurenceb_> but i cant be bothered tobebug this any more
2012-08-29T22:54:32 < Laurenceb_> seems thats why its called master/slave, as it needs to be applied to anything that masters and slaves
2012-08-29T22:55:04 < Laurenceb_> and it fixes propogation delay issues
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2012-08-29T23:03:52 < zyp> you have a race condition with your slaves?
2012-08-29T23:03:56 < zyp> don't be so racist
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2012-08-29T23:12:24 < Laurenceb_> lol
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2012-08-29T23:23:45  * Laurenceb_ turns on paralympics for lulz
2012-08-29T23:24:00 < Laurenceb_> north korea they all go quiet
2012-08-29T23:24:12 < Laurenceb_> syria and iran should be fun
2012-08-29T23:24:17 < Laurenceb_> coming up soon...
2012-08-29T23:24:49 < Laurenceb_> id laugh if syria and iran were wearing troll face masks
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2012-08-29T23:28:00 < Laurenceb_> oh wait
2012-08-29T23:28:05 < Laurenceb_> equador as well now
2012-08-29T23:28:25 < Laurenceb_> added to list of troll countries
2012-08-29T23:28:37 < Laurenceb_> that bbc will pretend dont exist
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2012-08-29T23:38:34 < Laurenceb_> equador
2012-08-29T23:38:43 < Laurenceb_> a whole country devoted to trolling
2012-08-29T23:50:36 <+izua> dongs: i bet it's all bridges and guys singing trololo
2012-08-29T23:50:44 <+izua> under them
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2012-08-30T02:14:23 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/wQBYk.png <- this function suggests that it can turn on/off clock for DMA channel 1... but... when I looked at clock tree there seems to be only one clock per DMA which suggests this will turn all on channels (?)
2012-08-30T02:15:46 < Erlkoenig> well DMA1_Clock means the DMA1 clock, and not the clock for DMA channel 1, maybe
2012-08-30T02:16:19 < LeelooMinai> Hmm...
2012-08-30T02:16:29 < LeelooMinai> So there can be more than one DMA on the chip?
2012-08-30T02:16:54 < Erlkoenig> i dunno. maybe just the stdperiph library API is made to support more. consult your chip's manual ;)
2012-08-30T02:17:22 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I'm pretty sure the F0 Discovery has one DMA
2012-08-30T02:17:36 < LeelooMinai> But, Ok, I see - if there can be more that makes sense
2012-08-30T02:17:51 < Erlkoenig> the clock tree documentation is... well... unintuitive :S
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2012-08-30T02:18:17 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's like a minefield to me as I just moved to stm32...
2012-08-30T02:18:46 < LeelooMinai> Yesterday I spend like 3 hours debugging because I used DMA channel 2 for USART2... apparently I should use 4...
2012-08-30T02:19:00 < BrainDamage> there's a clock tree excel file somewhere
2012-08-30T02:19:10 < BrainDamage> it's not available for all families
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2012-08-30T02:19:18 < BrainDamage> like f2 and f4 should have it
2012-08-30T02:19:30 < BrainDamage> check the app notes section
2012-08-30T02:20:03 < LeelooMinai> I have clock ttree diagram in the STM32F05xxx reference manual
2012-08-30T02:20:51 < BrainDamage> this one is different, it's interactive and lets you tell modes and get results
2012-08-30T02:21:04 < BrainDamage> iirc there's even an eclipse plugin
2012-08-30T02:21:28 < LeelooMinai> O, interesting... I have hardware registers plugin and pin configuration plugin, but not this one
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2012-08-30T02:26:44 < BrainDamage> http://www.st.com/internet/com/TECHNICAL_RESOURCES/TECHNICAL_LITERATURE/APPLICATION_NOTE/DM00024813.pdf  http://www.st.com/internet/com/SOFTWARE_RESOURCES/TOOL/CONFIGURATION_UTILITY/stm32f2xx_clockconfig.zip
2012-08-30T02:26:47 < BrainDamage> that's for the f2
2012-08-30T02:27:00 < BrainDamage> the excel version
2012-08-30T02:27:16 < BrainDamage> search for the others because I cba :p
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2012-08-30T02:28:10 < LeelooMinai> o, ok, thx
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2012-08-30T03:33:13 < bgamari> Anyone want to take a stab at identifying pin 1 of this package? http://goldnerlab.physics.umass.edu/~bgamari/stm32.jpg
2012-08-30T03:33:45 < bgamari> The datasheet claims it should be identified by one circle
2012-08-30T03:33:50 < bgamari> there are two on the package
2012-08-30T03:36:17 < dongs> lower left what else weould it be
2012-08-30T03:37:36 < dongs> youre a toolbox for designing a pcb without pin1 marker though
2012-08-30T03:37:40 < dongs> lwoer left as in the bottom left
2012-08-30T03:37:44 < dongs> and counter  clockwise
2012-08-30T03:37:46 < dongs> for pin numbering
2012-08-30T03:38:02 < dongs> 1..16 left to right bottom
2012-08-30T03:46:40 < zippe> There's only one circle
2012-08-30T03:46:49 < zippe> The other is an injection nozzle mark
2012-08-30T03:47:16 < Erlkoenig> but how to tell them apart :D
2012-08-30T03:47:26 < BrainDamage> the small one is the correct one
2012-08-30T03:49:54 < dongs> yeah, the two are obviosul different shape too
2012-08-30T03:50:37 < Erlkoenig> how do you know it's the small one *g*
2012-08-30T03:53:09 < dongs> you'll like NXP processors.
2012-08-30T03:53:09 < dongs> they'
2012-08-30T03:53:13 < dongs> ve got like 3 circles.
2012-08-30T03:53:15 < emeb> 3x 10-pin mini JTAGs in the mail from uCPros today. Thx for the pointer dongs:
2012-08-30T03:53:22 < dongs> emeb: yep
2012-08-30T03:53:48 < bgamari> dongs, Yeah, the footprint could have been much better
2012-08-30T03:53:56 < bgamari> never use geda's footprints
2012-08-30T03:54:00 < dongs> haha geda
2012-08-30T03:54:06 < dongs> < bgamari> never use geda
2012-08-30T03:54:07 < dongs> fix'd for you
2012-08-30T03:54:17 < BrainDamage> Erlkoenig: the package infos prescribes the dot diameter
2012-08-30T03:54:31 < bgamari> meh, I like it
2012-08-30T03:54:56 < bgamari> it's better than kicad and I don't design nearly enough hardware to justify buying a commercial package
2012-08-30T03:55:03 < Erlkoenig> BrainDamage: ah, genius :D
2012-08-30T03:55:12 < bgamari> moreover having used eda
2012-08-30T03:55:29 < bgamari> scratch that
2012-08-30T03:55:47 < dongs> i always draw my own components/pads for stuff
2012-08-30T03:55:54 < bgamari> yeah, lesson learned
2012-08-30T03:55:55 < dongs> because all teh shit out theere is usually fucked up one way or another
2012-08-30T03:55:59 < Erlkoenig> i forgot that an engineer isn't able to design a circle without exactly specifying it's dimensions.
2012-08-30T03:57:59 < bgamari> Erlkoenig, Yet they have no problem only drawing one of the two marks
2012-08-30T03:59:13 < Erlkoenig> i once soldered a DIP14 IC the wrong way round, because in the Datasheet the mark in the package was on the *BOTTOM*, not unlike with all other IC Datasheets, at the top...
2012-08-30T03:59:23 < Erlkoenig> *not like
2012-08-30T03:59:24 < dongs> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1931551/ cjbaird's job
2012-08-30T04:00:47 < Erlkoenig> sounds like iron sky
2012-08-30T04:01:02 < dongs> ironsky was great
2012-08-30T04:01:07 < Erlkoenig> indeed :D
2012-08-30T04:01:22 < Erlkoenig> sarah palin as president :D
2012-08-30T04:04:15 < cjbaird> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89rIor6AA7g
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2012-08-30T05:08:17 < dongs> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18561825
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2012-08-30T05:32:20 < cjbaird> Hmm. 25th Reich and Iron Sky both had filming in Australia..
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2012-08-30T07:19:14 < dongs> makes sense.
2012-08-30T07:19:20 < dongs> australia is probably a nazi secret base
2012-08-30T07:35:51 < dfletcher> nice joke. I did nazi that one coming.
2012-08-30T07:50:14 < cjbaird> During WWII, they discovered that Japan and German had a pact to share AU, with Tasmania going to the Germans..
2012-08-30T07:52:44 < cjbaird> JP had been eyeing the country for some time.. http://www.ozatwar.com/sigint/japsigint.htm
2012-08-30T07:55:15 < dongs> haha
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2012-08-30T13:47:58 < Laurenceb> 5 soldiers recruited by open source software?
2012-08-30T13:51:11 <+Steffanx> uh?
2012-08-30T13:52:47 < elektrinis> anyone using altium here?
2012-08-30T13:52:49 < Laurenceb> <dongs> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1931551/
2012-08-30T13:53:32 < dongs> retweeting http://us6.memecdn.com/stop-embarrassing-us_o_527831.jpg
2012-08-30T13:54:42 <+Steffanx> Heh, dongs
2012-08-30T13:54:48 < dongs> probably so old you can see jpeg compression artifacts from 20 times it was posted on imgur a nd back
2012-08-30T13:55:07 < Laurenceb> lawl
2012-08-30T13:56:17 < dongs> http://grapevine.is/News/ReadArticle/Woman-Takes-Part-In-Search-For-Herself
2012-08-30T13:56:21 < dongs> fucking iceland
2012-08-30T13:57:21 < cjbaird> gold foil costs only about US$10 per square metre. I need to find an excuse to get some..
2012-08-30T13:57:52 < Laurenceb> muhaha
2012-08-30T13:57:56 < Laurenceb> timers working
2012-08-30T13:58:19 < Laurenceb> seems i had a race condition due to propagation delays
2012-08-30T13:58:27 <+Steffanx> Old news dongs .. old
2012-08-30T13:58:31 < dongs> sorry.
2012-08-30T13:58:35 < Laurenceb> MSM needs to be set on timers that master and slave
2012-08-30T13:58:35 <+Steffanx> :P
2012-08-30T14:00:00 < Laurenceb> on small issue
2012-08-30T14:00:03 < Laurenceb> *one
2012-08-30T14:00:17 < Laurenceb> i put a breakpoint in the wrong place and fried half the LEDs
2012-08-30T14:00:31 <+Steffanx> Bad HW!
2012-08-30T14:00:41 < Laurenceb> cant be bothered to make a new sensor
2012-08-30T14:01:00 < Laurenceb> im running the LEDs on three times the absolute max current
2012-08-30T14:02:56 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2012/08/29/arm-based-debugging-tool-aims-to-improve-on-the-bus-pirate-performance/
2012-08-30T14:03:53 < BrainDamage> the best part is that the first reply is also the same question I gave him
2012-08-30T14:04:00 < BrainDamage> and still no satisfying answer
2012-08-30T14:04:23 < BrainDamage> other than "it has a jst connector for a battery!!!11"
2012-08-30T14:08:04 < jpa-> Laurenceb: yeah, TitanMKD's project
2012-08-30T14:08:51 < cjbaird> "tagged: vaporware"
2012-08-30T14:09:40 < jpa-> if it had HS phy (and software for it), it might be worth it
2012-08-30T14:11:06 < Laurenceb> http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/kitler/pics/kitler7580.jpg
2012-08-30T14:17:33 < Laurenceb> http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/kitler/pics/kitler30.jpg
2012-08-30T14:18:27 < cjbaird> Needs more Chairman Miaow
2012-08-30T14:18:49 <+Steffanx> Time to stop pasting random links Laurenceb ?
2012-08-30T14:22:13 < jpa-> Steffanx: is this you? http://www.dudelodge.com/CONTENT/BOXCOVER1S/MaleNudePhotography-SteffanVergene.jpg
2012-08-30T14:22:42 < dongs> dudelodge, totally safe url
2012-08-30T14:22:54 <+Steffanx> jpa- if you want that, sure
2012-08-30T14:22:56 < jpa-> actually sfw
2012-08-30T14:23:16 < dongs> < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2012/08/29/arm-based-debugging-tool-aims-to-improve-on-the-bus-pirate-performance/
2012-08-30T14:23:20 < dongs> Laurenceb: thats that french dude that was in here
2012-08-30T14:23:29 < jpa-> yeah, titanmkd
2012-08-30T14:23:31 < dongs> titanmkd or someshit
2012-08-30T14:23:45 <+Steffanx> The only photos you can find from me are somewhere on facebook ( or where on facebook ) jpa-
2012-08-30T14:24:21 < Laurenceb> just got emailed by silicon labs
2012-08-30T14:24:24 <+Steffanx> Find the russian girls who where also in Finland in the august 2010 and you'll maybe find me too jpa-
2012-08-30T14:24:28 < Laurenceb> new 8051 core
2012-08-30T14:24:30 <+Steffanx> *the summber
2012-08-30T14:24:31 < Laurenceb> wohoo
2012-08-30T14:24:49 < Laurenceb> Steffanx is a russian girl?
2012-08-30T14:25:09 < Laurenceb> in b4 dongs: 8bit is dead
2012-08-30T14:25:13 <+Steffanx> Sure, if thats what you want to believe Laurenceb
2012-08-30T14:25:14 < dongs> tap'n'hold
2012-08-30T14:25:21 < dongs> what new 8051 core?
2012-08-30T14:25:45 < Laurenceb> F39x
2012-08-30T14:25:52 < dongs> ah
2012-08-30T14:26:07 < jpa-> Steffanx: what were you girls doing in finland anyway?
2012-08-30T14:26:11 < dongs> http://investor.silabs.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=703029
2012-08-30T14:26:17 < dongs> thats prettyy fresh newst here Laurenceb
2012-08-30T14:26:47 < dongs> These on-chip analog peripherals enable developers to minimize discrete components and reduce the BOM cost by more than $0.30 (USD). In addition, the MCU family's innovative crossbar technology gives developers the flexibility to assign peripherals to specific pin locations, thereby easing system layout and eliminating pin conflicts.
2012-08-30T14:26:54 <+Steffanx> jpa- it's hard to read huh?
2012-08-30T14:29:51 < Tectu> 0.30$  whooohooo
2012-08-30T14:30:34 < Laurenceb> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/08/30/samsung_galaxy_camera_swanks_smartphone_skills/
2012-08-30T14:30:36 < Laurenceb> wut
2012-08-30T14:30:46 <+Steffanx> reddit is back online Laurenceb ?
2012-08-30T14:30:56 < Laurenceb> why would i know?
2012-08-30T14:31:36 <+Steffanx> Oh, that's not your source of endless-random links?
2012-08-30T14:31:43 <+Steffanx> * - -
2012-08-30T14:31:56 < dongs> nobody serious reads reddit
2012-08-30T14:32:03 < dongs> shit's for fags
2012-08-30T14:32:24 <+Steffanx> slashdot it is?
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2012-08-30T14:34:44 < Laurenceb> yes
2012-08-30T14:35:29 < BrainDamage> real pros use irc to acquire random links, right dongs?
2012-08-30T14:36:09 <+Steffanx> Or twitter
2012-08-30T14:36:19 < dongs> BrainDamage: fuck yeah
2012-08-30T14:36:23 < dongs> all my news are from irc
2012-08-30T14:36:28 < dongs> i just repaste them to/from other channels
2012-08-30T14:36:28 <+Steffanx> dongs retweets all his fancy links
2012-08-30T14:39:25 < Laurenceb> anyone who uses tweet non ironically needs to die
2012-08-30T14:40:34 <+Steffanx> I use it for my source of useless links. Pretty useful when dongs or you aren't around
2012-08-30T14:42:00 <+Steffanx> The good old times.. 5 years ago it was possible to abuse twitter as an sms-service :(
2012-08-30T14:42:23 <+Steffanx> They changed that.. twitter became popular :S
2012-08-30T14:43:40 < cjbaird> rotten.com
2012-08-30T14:43:42 < Laurenceb> twitter is pointless
2012-08-30T14:43:51 < Laurenceb> only point now is to troll celebrities
2012-08-30T14:44:20 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb surely doesn't "use" twitter
2012-08-30T14:44:27 < Laurenceb> nope
2012-08-30T14:44:37 < Laurenceb> sometimes i do a bit of trolling
2012-08-30T14:44:49 <+Steffanx> twitter/com/laurenceb ?
2012-08-30T14:44:53 <+Steffanx> or laurenceb_
2012-08-30T14:44:54 < Laurenceb> no
2012-08-30T14:45:12 < Laurenceb> i use throwaway accounts and tor
2012-08-30T14:45:16 <+Steffanx> TrollBlaxter?
2012-08-30T14:48:05 < Tectu> Steffanx, he's master of throwawaytrolls
2012-08-30T14:50:30 <+Steffanx> Seriously .. Laurenceb tor?!
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2012-08-30T14:51:04 < Laurenceb> tor olling
2012-08-30T14:51:29 < Tectu> why the hell do you need/use tor, Laurenceb
2012-08-30T14:51:43 < Laurenceb> for safe trolling on twitter
2012-08-30T14:51:51 < Laurenceb> they dont take kindly to it
2012-08-30T14:52:29 < Tectu> Laurenceb, how old are you again?
2012-08-30T14:52:31 < Tectu> 13 it was?
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2012-08-30T15:03:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.safetynet.org.uk/thefacts.php
2012-08-30T15:03:35 < Laurenceb> last line
2012-08-30T15:06:17 < jpa-> "General public agree pornography is harmful to society"
2012-08-30T15:08:41 < Laurenceb> response: pray
2012-08-30T15:12:51 < Tectu> i get server not found
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2012-08-30T15:49:50 < Laurenceb> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
2012-08-30T15:49:58 < Laurenceb> balloonz in flight
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2012-08-30T15:54:19 < dongs> Not found: trollsnear.us
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2012-08-30T15:58:17 < Laurenceb> lolwhat
2012-08-30T15:58:18 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/woXYO.jpg
2012-08-30T15:58:24 < Laurenceb> is all i can say
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2012-08-30T16:00:07 < dongs> hey is that shit still climbing
2012-08-30T16:00:13 < dongs> are you dudes still using tarduinos
2012-08-30T16:00:34 < Laurenceb> yes
2012-08-30T16:00:58 < Laurenceb> https://picasaweb.google.com/118244444241111963790/201203ProjectSwift#5721675666675961794
2012-08-30T16:01:33 < dongs> lol
2012-08-30T16:01:41 < dongs> its the same trash thereg is gonna use
2012-08-30T16:01:41 < dongs> i read the spec and lol'd
2012-08-30T16:01:44 < dongs> tarduino644 @8 mhz
2012-08-30T16:01:59 < dongs> and that fucking pcb is from seeedstudio
2012-08-30T16:02:02 < dongs> norrible
2012-08-30T16:02:11 < BrainDamage> well to be fair, their computing requirements are ridicolously low
2012-08-30T16:02:12 < dongs> horrible rather
2012-08-30T16:02:20 < BrainDamage> read string from gps, feed to radio module
2012-08-30T16:02:29 < BrainDamage> maybe read 1-2 sensors
2012-08-30T16:02:57 < BrainDamage> I do wonder why they don't use more compact modules tough
2012-08-30T16:03:32 < Erlkoenig> everyone dislikes arduinos oO
2012-08-30T16:03:35 < Laurenceb> they use resistor ladder to do frequency modulation
2012-08-30T16:05:09 < Laurenceb> those modules have no schmitt trigger on the input
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2012-08-30T16:05:50 < Erlkoenig> http://2g2s.de/katzen.jpg
2012-08-30T16:06:05 < BrainDamage> and why not using a FSK 433MHz module?
2012-08-30T16:06:52 < Laurenceb> they do
2012-08-30T16:07:13 < Laurenceb> cute
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2012-08-30T16:08:02 < Erlkoenig> my friends new cats ;)
2012-08-30T16:11:16 <+Steffanx> "everyone dislikes arduinos " at least we have laurduino :D
2012-08-30T16:13:09 < Erlkoenig> https://www.google.de/search?q=laurduino    hmmm :D
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2012-08-30T16:15:28 < zyp> 13:00:17 < Laurenceb> i put a breakpoint in the wrong place and fried half the LEDs
2012-08-30T16:15:42 <+Steffanx> laurduino is unique, ##stm32 only :D
2012-08-30T16:15:54 < zyp> that's why I was very careful when I was coding ESC stuff
2012-08-30T16:16:01 < Erlkoenig> wtf does "larduino" mean then :D
2012-08-30T16:16:11 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb, + arduino = laurduino
2012-08-30T16:16:18 < Erlkoenig> oO
2012-08-30T16:16:34 < zyp> I wouldn't want to fry the FETs or the motor :p
2012-08-30T16:16:36 <+Steffanx> Just because Laurenceb likes arduino so much
2012-08-30T16:17:12 < Erlkoenig> someone should write a library for STM32 that looks like the arduino library... :D
2012-08-30T16:17:18 < dongs> they did.
2012-08-30T16:17:27 < dongs> its called libmaple
2012-08-30T16:17:27 < dongs> and its a fucking mess.
2012-08-30T16:17:43 <+Steffanx> Isn't that other small stm32 board also arduino-ish?
2012-08-30T16:18:07 < Erlkoenig> oh hm
2012-08-30T16:18:08 <+Steffanx> Don't remember the name of the project
2012-08-30T16:18:40 < dongs> Steffanx: i just said it
2012-08-30T16:18:44 < dongs> maple + libmaple
2012-08-30T16:18:57 < dongs> they took all the shitty parts of stm32 and tarduinized it
2012-08-30T16:19:00 <+Steffanx> nopcode_, not that
2012-08-30T16:19:04 <+Steffanx> *arhh
2012-08-30T16:19:13 <+Steffanx> Stupid auto-tab-pressing-me
2012-08-30T16:20:24 < karlp> you tab completed "no" ?
2012-08-30T16:20:28 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/mabl/ChibiOS/blob/master/os/hal/platforms/STM32F4xx/stm32f4xx.h
2012-08-30T16:20:31 < Laurenceb> arrggg
2012-08-30T16:20:34 < Laurenceb> thats madness
2012-08-30T16:21:10 < zyp> s?
2012-08-30T16:21:12 < zyp> what is?
2012-08-30T16:21:44 < Laurenceb> the size of that header file
2012-08-30T16:21:47 <+Steffanx> Yeah, don't ask why karlp
2012-08-30T16:21:54 < dongs> thats the normal f4 header..
2012-08-30T16:21:56 < dongs> from periphlib
2012-08-30T16:22:00 < dongs> or cmsis or wahtever
2012-08-30T16:22:05 < Laurenceb> really?
2012-08-30T16:22:08 < dongs> yea..
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2012-08-30T16:22:13 < Laurenceb> i thought it was custom
2012-08-30T16:22:15 < dongs> unless they fucked with it
2012-08-30T16:22:19 < Laurenceb> ok thats less insane
2012-08-30T16:22:28 < dongs> looks pretty normal to me
2012-08-30T16:22:33 <+Steffanx> nopcode_, your code is insane Laurenceb
2012-08-30T16:22:36 <+Steffanx> Aaahrh
2012-08-30T16:22:36 < dongs> ive looked at cmsis one and it looks similar
2012-08-30T16:22:40 <+Steffanx> nopcode_, test
2012-08-30T16:22:47 < dongs> someone should just ban nopcode
2012-08-30T16:22:48 <+Steffanx> Ah, my client is fucked up
2012-08-30T16:22:52 <+Steffanx> or i enabled some setting
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2012-08-30T16:23:00 < dongs> is it completing shit like
2012-08-30T16:23:06 < dongs> nope, lol
2012-08-30T16:23:06 < dongs> to nopcode_, lol?
2012-08-30T16:23:14 <+Steffanx> no , => nopcode_
2012-08-30T16:23:18 < dongs> haha.
2012-08-30T16:23:20 <+Steffanx> without the space
2012-08-30T16:23:20 < dongs> epic fucking fail
2012-08-30T16:23:39 < Laurenceb>  TIM_SMCR_SMS_0
2012-08-30T16:23:42 < Laurenceb> its custom
2012-08-30T16:23:47 <+Steffanx> nopcode_, test
2012-08-30T16:23:47 < Laurenceb> chibios guy is insane
2012-08-30T16:23:54 <+Steffanx> no, test
2012-08-30T16:24:04 <+Steffanx> It was a setting
2012-08-30T16:26:22 <+Steffanx> It automatically autocompletes nicks when i press enter. Fantastic feature...
2012-08-30T16:30:42 < dongs> thats opensores for you
2012-08-30T16:31:58 < jpa-> Laurenceb: atleast most of it is just standard F4 header file
2012-08-30T16:32:18 < zyp> yep
2012-08-30T16:32:22 < jpa-> heck, it even has ST copyrights at the top
2012-08-30T16:32:33 < Laurenceb> most of the bit definitions seem to be rewritten
2012-08-30T16:32:38 < dongs> <Laurenceb> I dont read bro
2012-08-30T16:32:50 < jpa-> Laurenceb: how so?
2012-08-30T16:32:56 < Laurenceb>  TIM_SMCR_SMS_0
2012-08-30T16:33:00 < Laurenceb> for example
2012-08-30T16:33:07 < Laurenceb> rather than _GATED
2012-08-30T16:33:38 < jpa-> actually stdperiph has two sets of the defines
2012-08-30T16:33:47 < Laurenceb> oh god
2012-08-30T16:33:55 < Laurenceb> way too complex
2012-08-30T16:33:58 < jpa-> http://www.keil.com/dd/docs/arm/st/stm32f4xx/stm32f4xx.h   compare with this, the TIM_SMCR_SMS_0 is there too and i doubt keil copied it from chibios :)
2012-08-30T16:34:04 < Laurenceb> hmm
2012-08-30T16:34:07 < jpa-> yeah, part of the reason why stdperiph sucks
2012-08-30T16:34:18 < Laurenceb> ok maybe im reading the wrong thing then
2012-08-30T16:34:43 < jpa-> also, if there are some modifications to the file, i bet it is because the file provided by ST has some missing defines (i have had to fix a few of them myself)
2012-08-30T16:36:10 <+Steffanx> Time for a "Think positive"-day here ..
2012-08-30T16:36:25 < jpa-> Steffanx: i always think the most positive about you
2012-08-30T16:36:49 < Laurenceb> think positive?!
2012-08-30T16:36:58  * Laurenceb just trashed a $500 pump
2012-08-30T16:37:09 <+Steffanx> Nothing positive about?
2012-08-30T16:37:20 < karlp> no, you need kaupthinking! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkz-hjpch38
2012-08-30T16:37:31 <+Steffanx> "Hey, now my boss can get me a new one :D :D"
2012-08-30T16:39:46 <+Steffanx> Too bad it's bank-related karlp
2012-08-30T16:41:09 < dongs> http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/217820_4522784516992_1615770628_n.jpg found Laurenceb's confession
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2012-08-30T17:00:09 < karlp> Steffanx: failed bankrupt bank no les :)
2012-08-30T17:01:06 <+izua> are you saying that banks gonna bank?
2012-08-30T17:01:26 < karlp> indeed
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2012-08-30T17:57:34 < Laurenceb> hmf wtf
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2012-08-30T17:57:44 < Laurenceb> this timer stuff isnt working correctly
2012-08-30T17:57:55 < Laurenceb> i may have to give up
2012-08-30T17:58:30 < Erlkoenig> stm32 timers are evil :D
2012-08-30T17:58:41 < Erlkoenig> summoned directly from the hottest of hells
2012-08-30T17:58:57 < Laurenceb> my only achievement so far is fried leds
2012-08-30T17:59:06 <+Steffanx> [12:57:52]  <Laurenceb> muhaha
2012-08-30T17:59:06 <+Steffanx> [12:57:56]  <Laurenceb> timers working
2012-08-30T17:59:06 <+Steffanx> [12:58:19]  <Laurenceb> seems i had a race condition due to propagation delays
2012-08-30T17:59:11 < Erlkoenig> maybe... use dummy-loads / bigger resistors for testing? :D
2012-08-30T17:59:22 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: i had two timers working
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2012-08-30T17:59:33 < Laurenceb> but on closer inspection something is wrong
2012-08-30T17:59:39 < Laurenceb> also three timers never works
2012-08-30T17:59:50 < Laurenceb> i want 5 timers
2012-08-30T18:00:10 < Laurenceb> guess i need to talk to someone at ST
2012-08-30T18:00:23 < Laurenceb> but i doubt id ever be able to find the right person
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2012-08-30T18:01:26 < Laurenceb> timer gating seems to be way more complex than it should be
2012-08-30T18:01:38 < karlp> pay the gnomes more.
2012-08-30T18:01:41 < jpa-> use an fpga
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2012-08-30T18:02:14 < zyp> what experiences do people have with different fpga vendors?
2012-08-30T18:02:18 < Laurenceb> jpa-: good idea
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2012-08-30T18:02:55 < zyp> I've pretty much only got experience with xilinx, and I'm not particularly fond of the toolchain
2012-08-30T18:02:57 < Laurenceb> initialisation order seems to screw things
2012-08-30T18:03:06 < Laurenceb> seriously weird stuff going on here
2012-08-30T18:03:09 < zyp> but I haven't heard much better stuff about the other vendors
2012-08-30T18:03:10 < jpa-> zyp: i usually abstract out the toolchain so that i use ghdl for all simulations and Makefiles for building, and just call the tools to perform synthesis
2012-08-30T18:03:20 < Erlkoenig> zyp: xilinx saved $5 for omitting voltage regulators & fuses on their s3a starter board. learnt it the hard way.
2012-08-30T18:03:33 < BrainDamage> zyp: xilinx or altera is pretty much the same thing nowdays wrt support
2012-08-30T18:03:37 < BrainDamage> as in, both meh
2012-08-30T18:03:53 < zyp> yeah, and everything else is worse? :p
2012-08-30T18:03:53 < BrainDamage> runs in linux ok, by installing a gargantuan ide
2012-08-30T18:03:54 < jpa-> i've used that with altera.. nothing bad about the toolchain as-is, but i'm not fond of the GUI tools
2012-08-30T18:04:12 < zyp> jpa-, I did that myself once
2012-08-30T18:04:22 < BrainDamage> I have quartus 2 installed as well, works ok
2012-08-30T18:04:28 < zyp> but the tools aren't really made to be used by dependency tracking systems like make
2012-08-30T18:04:39 < zyp> so it's kind of pointless
2012-08-30T18:04:53 < jpa-> yeah, make is more of use for running the testbenches
2012-08-30T18:04:58 < karlp> what about lattice?
2012-08-30T18:05:07 < karlp> they seem cheap?
2012-08-30T18:05:12 < BrainDamage> I wish there was an open source compiler, the problem is that it won't happened without gigantic reverse engineering efforts
2012-08-30T18:05:17 < jpa-> siliconblue (now part of lattice) tools looked quite ok, but it's going away now
2012-08-30T18:05:22 < BrainDamage> bitstream format, hardware structure, etc
2012-08-30T18:05:32 < zyp> I was talking to somebody about the lattice stuff with m3 hardcore once, they claimed the toolchain was terrible
2012-08-30T18:07:01 < jpa-> BrainDamage: actually ikarus verilog used to do synthesis, the only propietary part you needed was the place & route backend from the FPGA manufacturer
2012-08-30T18:07:29 < BrainDamage> used to?
2012-08-30T18:08:08 < jpa-> the support was removed, apparently it wasn't that widely used
2012-08-30T18:08:13 < jpa-> now it does only simulation
2012-08-30T18:08:26 < Laurenceb> hmf theres no other way
2012-08-30T18:08:35 < jpa-> Laurenceb: you were born that way?
2012-08-30T18:08:37 < Laurenceb> time to try timer code on maple with big scope connected
2012-08-30T18:09:19 < BrainDamage> http://www.milkymist.org/fpgatools/ this was promising, but never went anywhere
2012-08-30T18:09:53 < BrainDamage> and now the links are dead too :s
2012-08-30T18:10:18 <+izua> all those freetards should start making their own silicon plant
2012-08-30T18:10:37 <+izua> herp derp, let's all design our own video cards and other epic hardware
2012-08-30T18:10:44 <+izua> and maybe, just maybe, open hardware fpgas.
2012-08-30T18:10:49 < Erlkoenig> what would be nice, a thingy that "synthesizes" a more object oriented and concise HDL into VHDL or Verilog, so one can then use the manufacturer's tools to bring it to the hardware
2012-08-30T18:10:57 < jpa-> BrainDamage: still here: https://github.com/errordeveloper/llhdl
2012-08-30T18:11:13 <+izua> i'm not sure how a higher level HDL would look like
2012-08-30T18:11:21 < zyp> Verilog2000
2012-08-30T18:11:26 <+izua> then again, the same thing asm programmers probably thought about python
2012-08-30T18:11:37 < Erlkoenig> not like VHDL, at least *g*
2012-08-30T18:11:39 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: VHDL is quite fine in my opinion :P
2012-08-30T18:11:44 <+izua> ^
2012-08-30T18:11:51 < zyp> VHDL is too verbose
2012-08-30T18:11:55 < Erlkoenig> yep
2012-08-30T18:12:01 <+izua> it's like C
2012-08-30T18:12:13 < Erlkoenig> instantiating entities is way to much typework
2012-08-30T18:12:18 < zyp> no, VHDL compared to Verilog is like Pascal compared to C
2012-08-30T18:12:34 < emeb> this
2012-08-30T18:12:42 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: maybe you would love labview fpga :)  http://foolooo.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/code.png
2012-08-30T18:12:52 < zyp> ugh
2012-08-30T18:12:57 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: what typework, just the port mappings?
2012-08-30T18:13:02 < Erlkoenig> also, there should be a way to define interfaces, so one could easily connect entities with these interfaces together - without connecting each single signal... a bit like "record"s, but bidirectional
2012-08-30T18:13:19 < Erlkoenig> jpa-: everything :D
2012-08-30T18:13:23 < zyp> Erlkoenig, I think Verilog 2000 has that
2012-08-30T18:13:39 < Erlkoenig> graphical design? meh
2012-08-30T18:13:55 < Erlkoenig> hmm perhaps then i should take a look at that verilog
2012-08-30T18:14:00 < zyp> wait
2012-08-30T18:14:02 < zyp> I'm dumb
2012-08-30T18:14:08 < zyp> I'm thinking about SystemVerilog :p
2012-08-30T18:14:26 < BrainDamage> izua: designing might even be possible, the investiment to produce 100k chips not
2012-08-30T18:14:38 < claude_work> labview fpga /me shudders
2012-08-30T18:14:46 < BrainDamage> below 100k, I dubt you'll even get process infos from the silicon fab
2012-08-30T18:14:50 < zyp> Erlkoenig, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SystemVerilog#Interfaces
2012-08-30T18:15:04 <+izua> that's why they need their own silicon fab
2012-08-30T18:15:10  * emeb just converted a complex function from Verilog to VHDL: result was 2x larger in linecount.
2012-08-30T18:15:19 < jpa-> i wonder if you could pool chip manufacturing like the PCB's are done
2012-08-30T18:15:22 <+izua> linux on a chip would wet a lot of panties
2012-08-30T18:15:24 < Erlkoenig> zyp: ah nice
2012-08-30T18:15:39 < BrainDamage> jpa-: been done since decades
2012-08-30T18:15:43 < emeb> jpa-: google mosys
2012-08-30T18:15:46 < zyp> I had some FPGA stuff in a course at uni
2012-08-30T18:15:47 < jpa-> BrainDamage: still too expensive?
2012-08-30T18:15:50 < BrainDamage> the problem is the crazy mask costs
2012-08-30T18:16:01 <+izua> you can use an older generation tech?
2012-08-30T18:16:09 < zyp> it was taught in VHDL, but I was allowed to use Verilog since I already knew it
2012-08-30T18:16:24 < BrainDamage> izua: still crazy mask costs
2012-08-30T18:16:51 < emeb> correction - mosis. pooled chip mfg.
2012-08-30T18:17:04 < Erlkoenig> also the way functions work in vhdl is unsatisfactory... one should be able to call "functions" in "instances" (which in fact would only connect signals or something), would allow for more readable designs
2012-08-30T18:17:07 < claude_work> if you don't need analog stuff on the chip , take a look at altera's hardcopy silicon
2012-08-30T18:17:46 < BrainDamage> for an fpga you way, say, 10 metal layers, this means easily 300k$ spent in masks, and I'm talking just about etching the glass
2012-08-30T18:18:27 < emeb> 300k is peanuts compared to leading edge mask costs. Typical > $1e6
2012-08-30T18:18:32 <+Steffanx> Everyone should use that new FPGA from [don't remember] .. DualCore A9 + fpga in one
2012-08-30T18:18:43 < zyp> xilinx zynq
2012-08-30T18:18:48 <+izua> neat?
2012-08-30T18:18:52 <+Steffanx> Yeah, zynq it was
2012-08-30T18:18:58 < Erlkoenig> what does it cost :D
2012-08-30T18:19:04 < emeb> unobtainium
2012-08-30T18:19:07 <+izua> does that mean you can synthesize a program into hdl with the click of an icon?
2012-08-30T18:19:10 < zyp> zedboard is $3-400
2012-08-30T18:19:17 < emeb> Xilinx announces long before availability.
2012-08-30T18:19:31 < zyp> zedboard should be available around now, no?
2012-08-30T18:19:36 <+Steffanx> The price for the board is 'ok'-ish for me ..
2012-08-30T18:19:53 < zyp> «Shipping Sep 04»
2012-08-30T18:20:00 < jpa-> http://cmp.imag.fr/products/ic/?p=prices  hmm, less than $2k (350nm 2x2mm)
2012-08-30T18:20:07 < Erlkoenig> $895 , duh
2012-08-30T18:20:20 < emeb> heh - everyone will want one.
2012-08-30T18:20:28 < emeb> R-Pi watch out.
2012-08-30T18:20:33 <+Steffanx> LOL
2012-08-30T18:20:34 <+izua> lol
2012-08-30T18:20:42 < zyp> https://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,400,1028&Prod=ZEDBOARD
2012-08-30T18:21:09 <+Steffanx> Academic price ..
2012-08-30T18:21:26 < zyp> yeah, if I'm getting it, I'm asking a friend working at uni to get it for me :p
2012-08-30T18:21:38 < emeb> Apply for a night course at the local community college - get student discount.
2012-08-30T18:21:43 <+Steffanx> :P
2012-08-30T18:21:57 < BrainDamage> emeb: I was talking about super cheap old process
2012-08-30T18:21:58 < zyp> though, while $300 is not that expensive, it's expensive for yet another dust collector
2012-08-30T18:22:13 <+Steffanx> For sure
2012-08-30T18:22:14 < BrainDamage> "affordable"
2012-08-30T18:22:14 < zyp> and I don't really need more of those
2012-08-30T18:22:32 < emeb> BrainDamage: Fine - but you won't get much in the way of resources then.
2012-08-30T18:22:33 < zyp> so I'm putting it off for now
2012-08-30T18:23:07 < BrainDamage> emeb: it's all a theoretical talk this one, I don't think anyone woud be enough insane to invest in it
2012-08-30T18:23:17 < emeb> zyp: tech stuff always gets cheaper with time - don't pay the early adopter tax.
2012-08-30T18:23:27 < emeb> BrainDamage: yep
2012-08-30T18:23:39 < zyp> emeb, doesn't really apply
2012-08-30T18:24:01 < zyp> emeb, https://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,400,792&Prod=S3EBOARD <- this is still as expensive as it were when I bought one five years ago
2012-08-30T18:24:37 < Tzacks> hey guys, i checked the zedboard on the link you posted, and can you explain why there is "motor control" between target applications? i find this motor control almost everywhere i look, does that require so much processing power or what?
2012-08-30T18:24:43 < emeb> Yeah - but OTOH, you can slap a Xilinx S3A chip down on your own board for < $20.
2012-08-30T18:24:53 < BrainDamage> Tzacks: the opposite
2012-08-30T18:25:06 < Tzacks> how do you mean the opposite?
2012-08-30T18:25:26 < BrainDamage> because it requires almost no resources, everyone can list it in the possible targets
2012-08-30T18:25:29 < zyp> Tzacks, mostly precise timing
2012-08-30T18:25:42 < zyp> also what BrainDamage said
2012-08-30T18:25:47 < Tzacks> BrainDamage thats why i had to ask
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2012-08-30T18:26:21 < Tzacks> zyp, you can get enough precision with 8bit micros to control any motor you like, thats why i had to ask
2012-08-30T18:26:24 < Erlkoenig> with all these neat superpowerful platforms (like zedboard) who is gonna write applications that take advantage of the power :D
2012-08-30T18:26:30 < Laurenceb> ok wtf
2012-08-30T18:26:39 < Laurenceb> got test working with scope
2012-08-30T18:26:47 < Laurenceb> two timers is correct
2012-08-30T18:26:54 < Laurenceb> three timers and the third goes wrong
2012-08-30T18:26:56 < Erlkoenig> connecting a scope to a circuit always fixes it :D
2012-08-30T18:27:06 < zyp> :p
2012-08-30T18:27:13 < emeb> Erlkoenig: warehouses full of code slaves in S. Asia. write huge libraries of code that the rest of us slap down without thinking.
2012-08-30T18:27:19 < zyp> except when it breaks a working circuit
2012-08-30T18:27:38 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/timer.c#L112
2012-08-30T18:27:58 < Laurenceb> so i slave timer2 off timer3
2012-08-30T18:28:01 < Erlkoenig> emeb: i wonder how these learn coding?
2012-08-30T18:28:07 < zyp> probes add a bit load to a circuit, which can pull down floating signals or mess up high speed signals
2012-08-30T18:28:14 < Erlkoenig> do they have, like, specialized universities for that?
2012-08-30T18:28:18 < Laurenceb> and i get 11.97khz as opposed to 11.905
2012-08-30T18:28:24 < Laurenceb> as expected
2012-08-30T18:28:30 < Laurenceb> then i setup timer4
2012-08-30T18:28:41 < Laurenceb> as i get 11.97khz
2012-08-30T18:28:43 < Laurenceb> wtf
2012-08-30T18:28:56 < Laurenceb> is there only one trigger output or something?
2012-08-30T18:29:36 < Erlkoenig> are people in S. Asia allowed to study such things without being fluent in literature and history and such stuff required in 'western' universities?
2012-08-30T18:29:37 < Laurenceb> timer4 should be 11.83khz
2012-08-30T18:30:35 < Laurenceb> theres more than one trigger output right?
2012-08-30T18:30:46 < Laurenceb> its not shared across the whole micro?
2012-08-30T18:31:25 < emeb> Erlkoenig: when nation's school systems are rated on the number of "Engineers" graduated, truck mechanics start counting as "Engineers"
2012-08-30T18:31:35 < zyp> Erlkoenig, that's probably the trick
2012-08-30T18:31:44 < Laurenceb> someonneeeee
2012-08-30T18:31:48 < Laurenceb> help :9
2012-08-30T18:32:09 < Erlkoenig> emeb: if they are able to write nice vhdl code, so they're engineers ;)
2012-08-30T18:32:25 < Erlkoenig> zyp: luckily, western school systems have no urge to catch up
2012-08-30T18:32:27 < emeb> Erlkoenig: s/nice//
2012-08-30T18:32:40 < Laurenceb> tim3-> triggers tim2 -> triggers tim4 is valid?
2012-08-30T18:32:58 < zyp> Erlkoenig, I think I got off pretty easy
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2012-08-30T18:34:30 < Erlkoenig> just gave up my math studies because i failed in one subject which is of no practical relevance and not needed in any continued other subjects, but still required for the bachelor... the 'western' universities seem to have enough mathematiciens to allow this
2012-08-30T18:34:35 < Laurenceb> unless there is a typo in the ref manual
2012-08-30T18:34:58 < BrainDamage> what subject?
2012-08-30T18:35:14 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: i'm sure you could have managed it if you just retried
2012-08-30T18:35:21 < zyp> my uni only demanded that I had to take 15 course points worth of «social studies» (or whatever it translates to in english)
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2012-08-30T18:35:40  * emeb had to take diff. eqs. twice... meh.
2012-08-30T18:35:41 < Erlkoenig> jpa-: i tried tree times
2012-08-30T18:35:43 < zyp> a normal semester is 30 course points
2012-08-30T18:35:52 < Erlkoenig> and failed 3 times
2012-08-30T18:35:54 < zyp> I took an english course worth 10
2012-08-30T18:36:05 < zyp> and then I failed some economics bullshit that I never attended
2012-08-30T18:36:21 < emeb> odd how that happens...
2012-08-30T18:36:30 < Erlkoenig> subject was linear algebra 2 (thats not what you thing. what you normally refer to as "linear algebra" is "linear algebra 1", and the "2" part is very different)
2012-08-30T18:36:33 < zyp> but I took a C++ course outside the plan, worth another 10 points
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2012-08-30T18:36:54 < zyp> so even though I failed the economics course, I still had enough points to graduate
2012-08-30T18:37:14 < zyp> and they apparently forgot about the last 5 points worth of shit
2012-08-30T18:37:14 < jpa-> Erlkoenig: sounds quite relevant for maths :)
2012-08-30T18:37:38 < Erlkoenig> no, not for numerics, which i wanted to specialize for
2012-08-30T18:37:57 < jpa-> zyp: here we have all kind of requirements, but they are negotiable if necessary :P
2012-08-30T18:37:57 < Erlkoenig> also my collegues, who chose more theoretical subjects, don't need it for anything
2012-08-30T18:37:58 < emeb> this was linear algebra for basket weaving?
2012-08-30T18:38:22 < Erlkoenig> what?!
2012-08-30T18:38:37 < zyp> jpa-, I didn't really care about formally graduating, I had already accepted a job offer at that point :p
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2012-08-30T18:39:17 < emeb> zyp: hopefully your next job won't care about a diploma either.
2012-08-30T18:39:20 < zyp> IMO grades are mostly bullshit anyway
2012-08-30T18:39:28 < Erlkoenig> zyp: great observation...
2012-08-30T18:39:47 < zyp> and I'm not saying it because I have bad grades :p
2012-08-30T18:39:52 < Erlkoenig> exam grades have nothing to do with your real abilities...
2012-08-30T18:39:57 < zyp> yeah
2012-08-30T18:40:03 < jpa-> zyp: heh, around here a diploma is quite important.. i would have a sure job opportunity even if i quit university now, but i don't want to stay there for ever
2012-08-30T18:40:07  * emeb has applied for several jobs where HR wanted a photocopy of his diploma.
2012-08-30T18:40:17 < zyp> well
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2012-08-30T18:40:49 < jpa-> yes, exam grades are quite much orthogonal to what is required at work.. but still very much useful
2012-08-30T18:40:55 < zyp> I never really cared about grades, I just figured that if I learned what I should, the grades should reflect that automatically
2012-08-30T18:40:59 < Erlkoenig> especially in germany... here people pray to the god of paper, especially if the paper has a title "diploma" or "bachelor"
2012-08-30T18:41:03 < jpa-> programming is better learned as a hobby anyway :)
2012-08-30T18:41:08 < karlp> sometimes
2012-08-30T18:41:19 < zyp> so I've never put much work into reading before exams
2012-08-30T18:41:26 < Erlkoenig> oO
2012-08-30T18:41:49 < Erlkoenig> i found it impossible to just pass this exam (with 50% of the points) WITH a lot of work befor
2012-08-30T18:41:53 < emeb> once you get the degree, the grades that went into it no longer matter.
2012-08-30T18:42:18 < Erlkoenig> i would be happy with the worst grade, if i just passed -.-
2012-08-30T18:42:34 < zyp> I've never understood how people can put a lot of work into courses and still fail
2012-08-30T18:42:47 < jpa-> but at our university, you get a 400 EUR cash award if you graduate with average >= 4.0! :P
2012-08-30T18:42:48 < Erlkoenig> zyp: then you are a genius, or your courses are easy
2012-08-30T18:43:12 < emeb> true - the only course I failed was one I didn't try at.
2012-08-30T18:43:12 < zyp> jpa-, I have an average somewhere between A and B
2012-08-30T18:43:29 < jpa-> same, not much work for that
2012-08-30T18:43:55 < jpa-> but for some courses i tend to get bad grades with no clear explanation.. i understood the stuff, but somehow the examiner just didn't like my answers
2012-08-30T18:44:08 < zyp> ha, I had one examiner like that
2012-08-30T18:44:20 < Erlkoenig> well, here the examiners like nobodys answers :)
2012-08-30T18:44:35 < zyp> I always got B in his courses
2012-08-30T18:44:40 < Erlkoenig> one calculation error -> everything following wrong -> failed the exam
2012-08-30T18:44:57  * emeb had a correct answer on a test that was marked wrong. Pointed it out to the instructor - he agreed it was right but gave no credit because everyone else had been graded that way.
2012-08-30T18:45:00 < jpa-> check and double-check :)
2012-08-30T18:45:03 < zyp> so on the last of his courses I said «fuck it, I'm not getting an A anyway»
2012-08-30T18:45:08 < zyp> resulted in a C :p
2012-08-30T18:45:10 < Erlkoenig> forgot one number in a formula (of course you have to remember all formulas) -> failed
2012-08-30T18:45:53 < zyp> it's kind of sad, I never got an E on anything
2012-08-30T18:46:09 < zyp> I managed to graduate high school with the entire range of 1-6 on exams
2012-08-30T18:46:20 < jpa-> ah, but there is one exam i have failed totally: tried to pass driving test 3 times, never succeeded
2012-08-30T18:46:31 < zyp> the 1 and 2 was the same exam, first and second try
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2012-08-30T18:46:40 < Erlkoenig> zyp: what subject did you study?
2012-08-30T18:46:41 < jpa-> it was a bit stressfull time of my life otherwise also, so i just let it be and i still have no driving license
2012-08-30T18:46:49 < zyp> Erlkoenig, in uni? EE
2012-08-30T18:46:59 < zyp> with some CS courses
2012-08-30T18:47:39 < Erlkoenig> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2717#comic
2012-08-30T18:47:41 < zyp> that made me pretty suited for working with embedded software :p
2012-08-30T18:47:48 < Erlkoenig> this comic describes it well...
2012-08-30T18:47:57 < zyp> :)
2012-08-30T18:49:11 < Erlkoenig> i'm switching to CS now...
2012-08-30T18:50:15 < zyp> the trick to get away cheap is to study stuff you are already interested in :p
2012-08-30T18:50:55 < jpa-> true :)
2012-08-30T18:51:17 < Erlkoenig> i was (and am still) very interested in maths, but didn't know much... i didn't to CS in the first time because i already know quite something about that
2012-08-30T18:51:34 < Erlkoenig> and wanted to learn things that i didnt already know...
2012-08-30T18:51:56 < karlp> re: under 100k getting quotes, we got a quote on getting an asic made for only 10k parts, it was fairly reasonably priced too in my mind.
2012-08-30T18:52:04 < zyp> the problems with math is that mathematicians are weird
2012-08-30T18:52:53 < Erlkoenig> just "weird"? :D
2012-08-30T18:53:43 < Erlkoenig> and they can't explain. in one lecture, the prof was basically just reading out a book, but explained it *worse* than the book's author
2012-08-30T18:53:57 < zyp> math is fine up to a point, and then they start using a bunch of weird syntax and every letter in the alphabet and then some
2012-08-30T18:54:49 < Erlkoenig> one chapter could have been interpreted in at least two entirely different ways, because it was that unclear :S
2012-08-30T18:54:57 < zyp> as a programmer I'm used to descriptive names and typed variables
2012-08-30T18:55:07 < Erlkoenig> typed variables, yes :D
2012-08-30T18:55:10 < Erlkoenig> that would be great :D
2012-08-30T18:55:39 < zyp> they do some of that in math too
2012-08-30T18:55:51 < zyp> like vectors marked with arrows or bold font or whatever
2012-08-30T18:56:35 < Erlkoenig> no, only the physicist's use arrows :D
2012-08-30T18:56:51 < emeb> It's amazing how much math I've learned long after taking the class - not until I need to use it does it stick in my brain.
2012-08-30T18:57:52 < zyp> I had a hard time understanding quaternions, because people suck to explain it
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2012-08-30T18:58:30 < Erlkoenig> in topology the prof omitted the explanation of quaternions, and used them as "easy examples" for the weird stuff
2012-08-30T18:58:58 < zyp> quaternions are really easy after I learned them
2012-08-30T18:59:32 < zyp> and I think I can explain them pretty understandable too
2012-08-30T18:59:40 < zyp> why can't any mathematician do that? :p
2012-08-30T18:59:48 < Erlkoenig> i would like to know that :D
2012-08-30T19:00:13 < zyp> know what?
2012-08-30T19:00:17 < Erlkoenig> if you ask a mathematician "what is a car?" he will give you a longer speech about how to time the ignition of the fuel in the motor, but after that, you still don't know what a car is...
2012-08-30T19:00:26 < Erlkoenig> why mathematicans can't explain well ;)
2012-08-30T19:00:34 < zyp> ah, yeah
2012-08-30T19:00:34 < jpa-> our math professor explained quaternions very well :)
2012-08-30T19:00:58 < zyp> I never asked my math professor about quaternions, it weren't in my course
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2012-08-30T19:01:05 < zyp> but I had a really great professor
2012-08-30T19:01:15 < emeb> so what do *you* use them for?
2012-08-30T19:01:21 < zyp> he explained diff. algebra pretty well
2012-08-30T19:01:36 < zyp> the quaternions? quadrotor math :p
2012-08-30T19:01:43 < emeb> figures. :)
2012-08-30T19:03:16 < zyp> and they are really easy to explain if you just start out with how complex numbers can be used as 2D rotation groups, and then just extend that into 3D
2012-08-30T19:03:37 < Erlkoenig> at least, i successfully already forgot everything i learnt at uni
2012-08-30T19:03:53  * emeb uses complex numbers daily for DSP in communications.
2012-08-30T19:04:09 < Erlkoenig> complex numbers are trivial :P
2012-08-30T19:04:12 <+Steffanx>  Erlkoenig, i think almost everyone does that
2012-08-30T19:04:44 < Erlkoenig> Steffanx: it hurts a bit to know that... but whatever
2012-08-30T19:05:05 < Laurenceb> ok wtf
2012-08-30T19:05:14 < Laurenceb> can someone try something for me?
2012-08-30T19:05:18 < zyp> the main difference between 2D and 3D is that in 2D there is only one axis to rotate around, in 3D you can rotate around any arbitrary axis, so instead of the one imaginary component of a complex number, you have three components describing the vector for the rotation axis
2012-08-30T19:05:21 < Laurenceb> anyone got an F1 setup?
2012-08-30T19:05:36 <+Steffanx> Everyone here probably has a discovery VL :P
2012-08-30T19:05:43 < zyp> I haven't
2012-08-30T19:05:46 <+Steffanx> Or at least 75$
2012-08-30T19:05:48 <+Steffanx> %
2012-08-30T19:05:57 <+Steffanx> Zyp, you are not 'everyone'
2012-08-30T19:06:07 < zyp> I considered buying one when I got the L1 since they had it
2012-08-30T19:06:18 < Laurenceb> im trying to gate timer4 from timer2
2012-08-30T19:06:22 < zyp> but I decided it was pointless, having stlinkv1 and all
2012-08-30T19:06:24 < Laurenceb> getting very odd results
2012-08-30T19:06:37 < Laurenceb> i can get the other timers to behave ok
2012-08-30T19:08:31 < Laurenceb> if i slave timer4 off timer2 using gated mode with oc1ref
2012-08-30T19:08:45 < Laurenceb> period is not as expected
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2012-08-30T19:12:42 <+dekar> Steffanx, what's the discovery VL?
2012-08-30T19:13:09 <+izua> value line. cheapass €10 board with onboard debugger
2012-08-30T19:13:25 <+dekar> well I have the F4 discovery, which also was cheap
2012-08-30T19:13:26 < emeb> but it's STLINK V1
2012-08-30T19:13:29 < emeb> very buggy...
2012-08-30T19:13:48 < karlp> it's not that bad...
2012-08-30T19:13:50 < emeb> The F0 Discovery is a good deal though - inexpensive and STLINK V2
2012-08-30T19:13:52 < karlp> I use it quite a bit.
2012-08-30T19:14:06 < karlp> you just have to make sure to tell the kernel to completely ignore it
2012-08-30T19:14:12 < zyp> emeb, same for L1
2012-08-30T19:14:13 < karlp> other than that, it doesn't have swo.
2012-08-30T19:14:43 < emeb> ah - true.
2012-08-30T19:14:59 < emeb> F0 & F4 both have swo & reset.
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2012-08-30T19:15:07 <+dekar> somehow I don't feel the need to debug my firmware anymore, I guess it's reasonably stable
2012-08-30T19:15:10 < karlp> ... stlinkv2 has swo and reset :)
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2012-08-30T19:15:43  * emeb hasn't included 6-pin SWD on any projects yet. TBD.
2012-08-30T19:15:43 < karlp> f1 has it, it just isn't supported by the stlinkv1 on the f100vl discovery board :)
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2012-08-30T19:19:40  * emeb reads the wikipedia article on quaternions.
2012-08-30T19:19:58 < emeb> Looks like complex numbers, but with j & k axes.
2012-08-30T19:20:16 < zyp> yes, that's what I just said
2012-08-30T19:20:25 < Laurenceb> http://www.flickr.com/photos/chaoticeunoia/7894532916/in/set-72157631320299140/
2012-08-30T19:20:43 < zyp> 18:05:18 < zyp> the main difference between 2D and 3D is that in 2D there is only one axis to rotate around, in 3D you can rotate around any arbitrary axis, so instead of the one imaginary component of a complex number, you have three components describing the vector for the rotation axis
2012-08-30T19:22:22 < emeb> ah - didn't get the 4D nature of the system from your description there.
2012-08-30T19:23:11 < emeb> but a1+bi+cj+dk looks like real + imaginary i + (two more dimensions in j and k)
2012-08-30T19:23:16 < zyp> a 2D complex rotation of a radians is cos(a) + i sin(a), right?
2012-08-30T19:23:33 < emeb> sure?
2012-08-30T19:24:06 < zyp> a 3D complex rotation of a around xyz is cos(a) + (i * x + j * y + k * z) * sin(a)
2012-08-30T19:24:55 < zyp> 3D quaternion rotation*
2012-08-30T19:25:11 < emeb> OK, so (amount of rotation) + vector representing axis of rotation = 4D
2012-08-30T19:25:45 < zyp> sort of
2012-08-30T19:25:51 < emeb> and then it's just algebra.
2012-08-30T19:26:32 < zyp> this always results in a unit quaternion, just like the 2D always results in a unit complex number
2012-08-30T19:26:39 < zyp> i.e. abs() = 1
2012-08-30T19:26:45 < emeb> ja
2012-08-30T19:27:02 < emeb> so you don't end up with scaling errors.
2012-08-30T19:27:44 < zyp> the 3D rotation could also be expressed with only three numbers if you use the axis vector length as the rotation amount
2012-08-30T19:28:02 < zyp> just like the 2D rotation could be expressed with only one
2012-08-30T19:28:17 < emeb> so you'd have to normalize the vector to get the rotation amount...
2012-08-30T19:28:22 < zyp> yep
2012-08-30T19:28:40 < emeb> cute.
2012-08-30T19:28:51 < emeb> save RAM at the cost of compute time.
2012-08-30T19:29:20 < zyp> the advantage with the complex/quaternion forms is that you can multiply them together to compound them
2012-08-30T19:29:55 < emeb> right - just like multiplying complex unit vectors sums the rotations
2012-08-30T19:30:08 < zyp> yes, just like rotation matrices
2012-08-30T19:30:47 < emeb> so, if you've got a bunch of 3D heading corrections to make at once, just multiply them to get the actual heading.
2012-08-30T19:30:54 < zyp> this is handy in quadrotor math, when you are integrating gyro data to get attitude state
2012-08-30T19:31:10 < emeb> makes sense.
2012-08-30T19:31:25 < zyp> you have one quaternion containing state, and then you compound gyro data every time you get a sample
2012-08-30T19:32:56 < emeb> starts looking like a phase locked loop.
2012-08-30T19:33:10 < zyp> :)
2012-08-30T19:34:05 < zyp> there is also another neat trick there
2012-08-30T19:34:37 < zyp> gyro data is a rotation vector, i.e. direction is axis and length is amount of rotation
2012-08-30T19:35:09 < zyp> with short iterations, the rotation amount will always be close to 0
2012-08-30T19:35:28 < emeb> small angle approximation?
2012-08-30T19:35:47 < zyp> yes, so sin(a) = 0 and cos(a) = a
2012-08-30T19:36:00 < zyp> so you get {1, x, y, z}
2012-08-30T19:36:04 < emeb> heh.
2012-08-30T19:36:47 < emeb> so, keep your sample rates high boys and girls.
2012-08-30T19:37:06 <+Steffanx> Yes Sir!
2012-08-30T19:37:33 < zyp> the trick is to just normalize the quaternion afterwards to keep it as a unit quaternion ;)
2012-08-30T19:37:39 < emeb> Now I feel like McCoy after learning brain surgery.
2012-08-30T19:37:52 < emeb> It'll all leak out in 10 minutes. :)
2012-08-30T19:37:56 < zyp> :p
2012-08-30T19:38:12 < zyp> but pretty understandable, right?
2012-08-30T19:38:18 < emeb> Yeah.
2012-08-30T19:38:28 < emeb> thanks for the braindump.
2012-08-30T19:38:31 < zyp> nobody told me this, so I had to use a few weeks to wrap my head around it and work it out myself
2012-08-30T19:38:48 < zyp> and then suddenly everything made so much sense
2012-08-30T19:38:51 < emeb> Write a magazine article or something.
2012-08-30T19:39:14 < emeb> There was an article a few months back on an inertial nav system in CCI, but it glossed over the math.
2012-08-30T19:39:38 < zyp> I've almost considered starting a website to write up stuff that I learn in an understandable manner
2012-08-30T19:39:45 < emeb> That would be handy.
2012-08-30T19:40:09 <+Steffanx> ProfessorZyp.info/edu
2012-08-30T19:40:12 < zyp> was just thinking about writing about usb basics the other day, it's also really simple :p
2012-08-30T19:40:23 < emeb> I'd read that.
2012-08-30T19:40:26 <+Steffanx> Or just MadZyp.info/edu as all teachers are 'mad'
2012-08-30T19:41:01 < zyp> Steffanx, or I could just use zyp.im since I already own it
2012-08-30T19:41:13 <+Steffanx> Yes, you could
2012-08-30T19:41:21 <+Steffanx> I'll register my version :)
2012-08-30T19:41:56 <+Steffanx> Anyway, here another one who'll definitely read it
2012-08-30T20:03:54 < jpa-> wait, quaternions here also? just finished coding a bit of them :)
2012-08-30T20:14:09 < zyp> :p
2012-08-30T20:15:16 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/PWJ   so simple now.. no point using kalman filter to estimate orientation accurately, when i'm really interested in rotational velocity
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2012-08-30T20:15:58 < jpa-> so instead i'll just calculate orientation directly and then use that to estimate velocity using kalman filter
2012-08-30T20:16:41 < zyp> :)
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2012-08-30T20:41:56 < Laurenceb> hell yeah
2012-08-30T20:41:59 < Laurenceb> 3 timers working
2012-08-30T20:42:04 < Laurenceb> epically confusing
2012-08-30T20:42:08 < zyp> what was wrong?
2012-08-30T20:42:17 < Laurenceb> partly propogation delays
2012-08-30T20:42:24 < Laurenceb> partly my matlab script :P
2012-08-30T20:42:31 < Laurenceb> that calculated the settings
2012-08-30T20:42:53 < Laurenceb> got "zero frequency", +1 and -1 frequency bins runnign now
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2012-08-30T20:43:16 < Laurenceb> hopefully i can extend out to +2, -2 and so on for more ofdm channels
2012-08-30T20:46:08 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/6HnZT.png
2012-08-30T20:46:16 < Laurenceb> i blew an led tho :(
2012-08-30T20:46:35 < Laurenceb> it works on the discovery with three channels :P
2012-08-30T20:47:13 < Laurenceb> looks like there is a little crosstalk into the unused channel but thats not a huge issue
2012-08-30T20:47:18 < Laurenceb> looks like 1% or something
2012-08-30T20:48:12 < Laurenceb> thats my heartbeat with the sensor attached to my hand XD
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2012-08-30T20:51:36 <+Steffanx> According to the red line you're dead
2012-08-30T20:51:53 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-30T20:51:58 < Laurenceb> home timez then
2012-08-30T20:52:01 <+izua> rofl
2012-08-30T20:52:01 < Laurenceb> cya
2012-08-30T20:52:07 <+izua> that's bash.org worthy
2012-08-30T20:54:04 <+Steffanx> Not really izua
2012-08-30T20:54:38 <+izua> i laughed, bug off :P
2012-08-30T20:54:53 <+Steffanx> ok, do whatever you want
2012-08-30T20:55:12 < BrainDamage> I didn't find it funny either, but it's not like someone dies if you paste it there
2012-08-30T20:55:26 < BrainDamage> worst case btards would discover this channel and start trolling
2012-08-30T20:55:36 < BrainDamage> owait, Laurenceb is already taking care of that
2012-08-30T20:55:44 <+izua> bash.org is mostly out of context irc quotes
2012-08-30T20:56:13 <+izua> well
2012-08-30T20:56:22 <+izua> worst thing that can happen is that they start asking arduino questions
2012-08-30T20:56:43 <+izua> > i programmed my stm32 to light a led and it doesn't work, here's my code
2012-08-30T20:56:48 <+izua> > digital_write(1, HIGH)
2012-08-30T20:57:09 < BrainDamage> izua: https://github.com/leaflabs/libmaple
2012-08-30T20:57:24 <+izua>  Something went wrong.
2012-08-30T20:57:27 <+izua> nice commit message.
2012-08-30T20:57:59 <+izua> Its high-level interfaces are largely compatible with the AVR libraries written for the Arduino and Wiring development boards.
2012-08-30T20:58:00 <+izua> shit
2012-08-30T20:58:13 < BrainDamage> exactly
2012-08-30T20:58:28 <+izua> WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO SUCH A HORRIBLE THING
2012-08-30T20:59:10 < zyp> to gain an audience to market it to
2012-08-30T20:59:37 < zyp> if the masses are dumb, you need to appeal to dumb people to get the most sales
2012-08-30T21:01:09 <+Steffanx> I still wonder
2012-08-30T21:01:14 < zyp> and the library under the compatibility layer seems rather decent
2012-08-30T21:01:17 <+Steffanx> Why do people dislike Arduino..
2012-08-30T21:01:22 <+Steffanx> because of it's libraries
2012-08-30T21:01:29 <+Steffanx> or the kind of people using them
2012-08-30T21:01:38 < zyp> or both? :)
2012-08-30T21:01:54 < BrainDamage> personally it's 25%-75%
2012-08-30T21:02:04 < BrainDamage> the libraries are rather limited
2012-08-30T21:02:12 < BrainDamage> everything runs blocking
2012-08-30T21:02:21 < zyp> it has a pretty dumb API, which train the people to do stuff in dumb ways
2012-08-30T21:03:05 < BrainDamage> but seeing stuff like "bricks" or "shields" snapped together without any knowledge whatsoever irriatates me considerably
2012-08-30T21:03:06 <+izua> the pcb also has a pretty weird design
2012-08-30T21:03:12 <+izua> ^
2012-08-30T21:03:29 <+izua> what BrainDamage said. it focuses too much on plug-and-play with slow stuff.
2012-08-30T21:03:56 <+izua> instead of actually doing something right, trying to cram code to the last byte and into limited memory
2012-08-30T21:04:21 <+izua> for the longest time, the serial read was blocking.
2012-08-30T21:04:32 < zyp> my first quadrotor controller used a maple with a protoshield
2012-08-30T21:04:41 <+Steffanx>  /kick zyp :P
2012-08-30T21:04:43 <+izua> now, the upgrade consists of using a signed result, and -1 if nothing is returned.
2012-08-30T21:04:57 < BrainDamage> zyp: but you had a good understanding of the underlying hw, no?
2012-08-30T21:05:05 <+izua> not bad i guess, but it could have used a pointer for data, and a return value ><
2012-08-30T21:05:22 < zyp> BrainDamage, not at the time, it was my first encounter with stm32
2012-08-30T21:05:44 <+izua> Steffanx: +1
2012-08-30T21:05:45 < BrainDamage> I mean of whatever hw extension you used
2012-08-30T21:05:57 < jpa-> i love arduino, even though i have never owned one
2012-08-30T21:06:01 < zyp> ah, of course
2012-08-30T21:06:26 <+izua> jpa-: so you only used it in other people's stuff? ><
2012-08-30T21:06:34 < jpa-> izua: i have never used it either
2012-08-30T21:06:49 <+izua> how can you love it then?
2012-08-30T21:06:52 < jpa-> i'm just happy to see so many newbies able to actually get stuff done
2012-08-30T21:06:57 < zyp> BrainDamage, it was mainly pwm outputs and I2C sensors
2012-08-30T21:07:09 <+izua> ah
2012-08-30T21:07:35 <+izua> yeah, from that point of view, it's a hit
2012-08-30T21:07:52 < BrainDamage> I think my main gripe is the dunning krueger effect
2012-08-30T21:07:52 < jpa-> and i think the arduino code is also very clean looking and well documented, compared to other embedded stuff (take, for example, ST's stdperiph..)
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2012-08-30T21:08:20 < zyp> the nice part about the maple and the protoshield were that I could solder the required connectors to the protoshield, then plug it into the maple, and then I had a nice prototype without any loose stuff hanging around only by wires
2012-08-30T21:08:25 < BrainDamage> I am deeply annoyed when I see someone build the nth led cube and think it's so awesome
2012-08-30T21:08:35 < jpa-> it *is* awesome
2012-08-30T21:08:44 < jpa-> just by different standards
2012-08-30T21:09:09 < jpa-> in the same way, i doubt our codes are so impressive on the global scale
2012-08-30T21:09:18 < BrainDamage> they aren't, exactly
2012-08-30T21:09:31 < BrainDamage> I'd never go bragging with my stuff around
2012-08-30T21:09:42 < zyp> :)
2012-08-30T21:10:17 < jpa-> yeah.. so we are destined to feel bad about ourselves whereas others can be happy about what they are able to do :)
2012-08-30T21:11:07 < jpa-> (and heck, i spent the first 4 years with electronics building persistence-of-vision thingies; is that any better because I used pics instead of arduino?)
2012-08-30T21:11:25 <+Steffanx> No
2012-08-30T21:11:49 <+izua> pics are good bro
2012-08-30T21:11:55 < BrainDamage> it's not the subject, it's the bragging, but the common availability and unoriginality makes it worse
2012-08-30T21:12:11 <+izua> the first one i used was a 12c something
2012-08-30T21:12:29 < jpa-> though it was fun http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/vilkutin/kuvat/vilkutin6-nodata.jpg
2012-08-30T21:12:33 <+izua> and i had to keep nopping older code so i can get newer one working
2012-08-30T21:13:00 < zyp> I'm so far pretty happy with how my own usb stack is turning out, but I don't go bragging to my coworker who is the developer of the usb stack in freebsd :p
2012-08-30T21:13:05 <+izua> jpa-: nice.. spaceship?
2012-08-30T21:13:06 < jpa-> BrainDamage: i consider bragging a property of person, not so much about what they can do
2012-08-30T21:13:27 < BrainDamage> what does it mean a property of person?
2012-08-30T21:13:36 < jpa-> BrainDamage: so if they didn't have arduino, they would brag about being able to install linux
2012-08-30T21:13:58 < BrainDamage> ah, a personality trait of the person?
2012-08-30T21:14:05 < jpa-> yeah
2012-08-30T21:14:38 < BrainDamage> I guess, but the hw makes it so they are in direct relation with my interests
2012-08-30T21:14:44 < jpa-> hehe :)
2012-08-30T21:14:53 < jpa-> noobs? in my community? aaaargh
2012-08-30T21:16:23 < jpa-> in my view arduino represents everything programming should be like: easy to reuse code, easy to get into, clean code, well-documented, complex things get done
2012-08-30T21:17:00 < zyp> I disagree
2012-08-30T21:17:05 < BrainDamage> I agree it keeps easy things easy, but it doesn't scale up well
2012-08-30T21:17:08 < jpa-> of course it can't do anything; but nothing is a limitless platform, at some point you need to expand your scope of knowledge
2012-08-30T21:17:09 <+Steffanx> - efficiency ( as in relatively slow )
2012-08-30T21:17:20 <+izua> in a way, i agree with that. although i hate arduino, i came in contact with it multiple times, merely with people buying it and giving it to me instead of asking what should they buy
2012-08-30T21:17:29 < zyp> a lot of this code reuse you are talking about are dirty cut&paste jobs
2012-08-30T21:17:42 < zyp> and far from clean
2012-08-30T21:17:56 < jpa-> zyp: the most prominent libraries seem to be quite good
2012-08-30T21:17:58 <+izua> but it's also exactly what an embedded platform, especially designed for entry-level stuff. bad pcb, weird libraries, oversimplification without explaining the context
2012-08-30T21:18:05 < jpa-> of course the newbies always produce crap
2012-08-30T21:18:13 <+izua> embedded platform shouldn't be like*
2012-08-30T21:18:36 < BrainDamage> designed for entry level isn't inherently bad
2012-08-30T21:18:45 < jpa-> izua: yeah, if i were teaching embedded software/hardware engineers, i probably wouldn't pick arduino as the platform
2012-08-30T21:18:45 < BrainDamage> *some* have to fill that role
2012-08-30T21:18:59 < jpa-> but for self-learning, use what works for you
2012-08-30T21:19:10 < jpa-> too steep learning curve is worse than too low
2012-08-30T21:19:10 <+izua> other platforms aren't as easy for self teaching though
2012-08-30T21:19:35 <+izua> but if you have someone teaching you, then a better platform will likely help along
2012-08-30T21:19:49 < BrainDamage> I'd be really curious the average knowledge reached for self learning when picking arduino as starting point, or a more classical choice
2012-08-30T21:19:56 < BrainDamage> and I say that without any bias whatsover
2012-08-30T21:20:00 < BrainDamage> I'd be really curious
2012-08-30T21:20:12 <+izua> i suppose some people will move on from arduinos
2012-08-30T21:20:38 < jpa-> i wouldn't expect much difference
2012-08-30T21:20:40 <+izua> but i don't expect all of them to do it, since a lot of people don't care about real-time stuff
2012-08-30T21:20:47 < zyp> jpa-, «the best libraries are quite good», isn't that what you are saying?
2012-08-30T21:20:52 < jpa-> considering i started programming in quick basic
2012-08-30T21:20:57 <+izua> hehe
2012-08-30T21:21:01 < jpa-> zyp: no, "the most common libraries"
2012-08-30T21:21:15 < jpa-> zyp: unlike, for example, stm32 where the most common libraries are total crap
2012-08-30T21:21:21 < BrainDamage> I started using visual basic
2012-08-30T21:21:26 < BrainDamage> vb4
2012-08-30T21:21:27 < zyp> yes, and it's reasonable to say that they got common because they are good?
2012-08-30T21:21:29 <+izua> really?
2012-08-30T21:21:55 < BrainDamage> I didn't even know that arrays existed, I used gui elements to store vectors
2012-08-30T21:22:05 < BrainDamage> iterating a list could be seen visually
2012-08-30T21:22:06 <+izua> dat awesome multiwindow tool panels
2012-08-30T21:22:11 < jpa-> newlib is waaaay too bloated for microcontrollers, stdperiph sucks totally
2012-08-30T21:22:16 <+izua> dat awesome windows 3.0 feel
2012-08-30T21:22:24 <+izua> BrainDamage: i recall the ImageList object
2012-08-30T21:22:41 < BrainDamage> and I really mean visually, it was so slow that 1k elements would take 1-2 mins
2012-08-30T21:22:42 <+izua> where you'd dump in a bunch of icons and it could animate them, or distribute them to a dropdown list
2012-08-30T21:22:47 < zyp> libopencm3 seem pretty good
2012-08-30T21:22:51 < BrainDamage> izua: yes!
2012-08-30T21:22:55 < jpa-> zyp: and not very common, yet
2012-08-30T21:22:59 <+izua> zyp: it is. i like it.
2012-08-30T21:23:05 <+izua> way better than stdperiph
2012-08-30T21:23:16 < zyp> I haven't used it, I've only read a good amount of it
2012-08-30T21:23:29 < jpa-> the situation is getting better, but i would expect that a lot of people will stick with stdperiph (or the propietary libraries that come with some compilers)
2012-08-30T21:23:32 <+izua> its examples are also pretty neat.
2012-08-30T21:23:47 <+izua> the only time i spent debugging was figuring out why my usb wasn't enumerating right on multiple machines
2012-08-30T21:23:53 < zyp> libmaple also seems rather good
2012-08-30T21:23:55 <+izua> after i changed the cable, it worked first attempt
2012-08-30T21:23:58 <+izua> zyp: fuck you
2012-08-30T21:23:58 < zyp> and chibios
2012-08-30T21:24:09 <+izua> DIGITAL_WRITE(OFF)
2012-08-30T21:24:22 <+izua> just joking though
2012-08-30T21:24:25 < zyp> izua, I'm talking about libmaple, not the wirish layer on top of it?
2012-08-30T21:24:28 < zyp> -?
2012-08-30T21:24:41 < zyp> they are seperate components
2012-08-30T21:24:49 <+izua> that sounds sane
2012-08-30T21:24:53 < BrainDamage> personally I wouldn't mind if libmaple would make stm32 more popular, altough I'd really love if I could magically censor the noobs from my sight
2012-08-30T21:25:00 <+izua> it's the first time i heard of it
2012-08-30T21:25:10 < BrainDamage> as in, feel free to do what you want, not on my face
2012-08-30T21:25:25 <+izua> oh look
2012-08-30T21:25:28 <+izua> it has an ide too
2012-08-30T21:25:30 < BrainDamage> altough I guess I am hurting myself by checking sites that also publish "maker" related stuff
2012-08-30T21:25:33 <+izua> that looks like arduino ide, but it's green
2012-08-30T21:25:34 <+izua> lol
2012-08-30T21:25:39 <+izua> http://leaflabs.com/docs/ide.html#ide
2012-08-30T21:25:43 < zyp> oh, and if I had enough time and motivation to get something done with my own stuff, it would also be pretty good :p
2012-08-30T21:25:45 < BrainDamage> that's intentional
2012-08-30T21:25:57 < BrainDamage> their idea is actually rather decent
2012-08-30T21:26:03 < BrainDamage> an arduino, on much better hw
2012-08-30T21:26:09 < BrainDamage> magnitudes better for cost
2012-08-30T21:26:18 <+izua> with a VL board, definitely
2012-08-30T21:26:33 < BrainDamage> even with blocking calls, etc, you can still get many more things done
2012-08-30T21:26:50 < BrainDamage> arduino themselves are moving to arm
2012-08-30T21:26:57 < BrainDamage> with atmel's
2012-08-30T21:27:14 < jpa-> huh?
2012-08-30T21:27:17 <+izua> jpa-: dude
2012-08-30T21:27:23 <+izua> you made a freaking lot of those pov toys
2012-08-30T21:27:45 < jpa-> izua: yeah, spent years at it
2012-08-30T21:27:47 <+izua> i love blinking leds myself, but i think you outledded me
2012-08-30T21:27:54 < zyp> BrainDamage, yeah, sam3u
2012-08-30T21:28:09 < BrainDamage> izua: to each his fetish
2012-08-30T21:28:56 <+izua> BrainDamage: you don't like blinking leds?
2012-08-30T21:29:11 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Hnkw7.JPG <- I have a bunch of these, but I never did anything cool with them
2012-08-30T21:29:32 <+izua> awesome
2012-08-30T21:29:39 < BrainDamage> no, I actually hate leds, even on consumer devices I tend to tape them, the only things I like leds for are high power leds for flashlights
2012-08-30T21:30:06 < BrainDamage> or anyway, static illumination in general
2012-08-30T21:30:12 < zyp> I considered writing code to run pwm to those and stream video
2012-08-30T21:30:32 <+izua> i think that's also been done, on an 8x8 RGB matrix
2012-08-30T21:30:57 <+izua> BrainDamage: leds are awesome dude
2012-08-30T21:30:58 < jpa-> i had http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/ledeja.jpg  but never bothered to make a driver board
2012-08-30T21:31:06 <+izua> you can debug all sorts of stuff with them
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2012-08-30T22:47:50 < zyp> heh
2012-08-30T22:48:13 < zyp> I hooked up the led matrix to 5V and ran 3.3V signals to it
2012-08-30T22:48:21 < zyp> that didn't work very good.
2012-08-30T22:48:36 < zyp> it runs happily on 3.3V though
2012-08-30T22:48:38 < emeb> safer than the other way.
2012-08-30T22:51:04 < zyp> it's rated for both, led driver does current limiting
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2012-08-30T22:54:12 < emeb> but driving 5V into signal inputs w/ 3.3V VDD would reverse-bias the ESD diodes & cause trouble inside the chips.
2012-08-30T22:54:53 < emeb> unless there's current-limiting resistors on the signal inputs.
2012-08-30T22:58:51 < zyp> izua, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ldMgR.JPG <- you wanted a picture
2012-08-30T22:59:36 <+izua> yes
2012-08-30T22:59:50 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/gfUDX <- also, code I just wrote up for it
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2012-08-30T23:01:28 < Laurenceb_> GUESS WHOS BACK?
2012-08-30T23:01:31 < Laurenceb_> BITCHES
2012-08-30T23:01:37 < zyp> awh
2012-08-30T23:01:40 < zyp> you missed my leds
2012-08-30T23:01:55 <+Steffanx> No he didn't
2012-08-30T23:02:02 < Laurenceb_> i burns puny leds
2012-08-30T23:02:19 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ldMgR.JPG <- my leds are better than yours
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2012-08-30T23:02:42 < Laurenceb_> huh
2012-08-30T23:02:52 < Laurenceb_> spi multiplexer on the back?
2012-08-30T23:03:29 < zyp> shift register, yea
2012-08-30T23:04:06 <+izua> the matrix is much smaller than i imagined
2012-08-30T23:04:09 < emeb> zyp: THAT CODE IS TOO SIMPLE! UR DOIN' IT RONG!
2012-08-30T23:04:23 < Laurenceb_> waveshare is nice
2012-08-30T23:04:26 < zyp> izua, 32mm square
2012-08-30T23:04:38 < zyp> each led is 2x2mm
2012-08-30T23:04:54 < emeb> spi data to the array?
2012-08-30T23:05:14 < zyp> I'm using spi to shift out each row
2012-08-30T23:05:47 < emeb> there's a row counter on the board?
2012-08-30T23:05:53 < zyp> and I could use a timer and output compare to trigger the update of each row
2012-08-30T23:06:08 < zyp> sort of, that's also shift registers
2012-08-30T23:06:24 < emeb> ah - so you load  a '1' and shift it through...
2012-08-30T23:06:33 < zyp> except it's a 0
2012-08-30T23:06:36 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/P2IWh.png
2012-08-30T23:07:02 < emeb> yep
2012-08-30T23:07:22 < emeb> your board, or bought elsewhere?
2012-08-30T23:07:33 <+Steffanx> it says zyp@ something :P
2012-08-30T23:07:36 < zyp> :p
2012-08-30T23:07:58 < emeb> heh - not paying attention.
2012-08-30T23:08:01 < zyp> it's some years old, it's the first I ever had fabbed
2012-08-30T23:08:20 < Laurenceb_> why fets at one side?
2012-08-30T23:08:24 < zyp> got a bunch of them, been using them for reflow testing
2012-08-30T23:08:52 < zyp> Laurenceb_, show me a shift register that does 200 mA high side switching
2012-08-30T23:08:57 < zyp> I couldn't find any
2012-08-30T23:09:15 < emeb> Hmm - thought that I found some a while back. Expensive though..
2012-08-30T23:09:38 < Laurenceb_> but isnt the maxim thingy doing it?
2012-08-30T23:09:54 < zyp> no, it's low side switching
2012-08-30T23:10:13 < emeb> TI makes some driver chips that have serial in, PWM control, etc. Not cheap.
2012-08-30T23:10:17 < Laurenceb_> oh i see
2012-08-30T23:10:19 < zyp> and current limiting, so you can't control a variable amount of leds, it would screw up brightness :p
2012-08-30T23:13:01 <+izua> those matrices seem quite the catch
2012-08-30T23:13:10 <+izua> 16x16 matrices run over €50 on ebay
2012-08-30T23:13:33 <+izua> and they seem made out of 4 8x8 boards, not the real thing
2012-08-30T23:13:47 < zyp> I think I got ten for $10
2012-08-30T23:14:22 < zyp> (actually ten for 1000 yen, but that was pretty much equal to $10 at the time)
2012-08-30T23:37:12 < BrainDamage> I really like the saleae probes
2012-08-30T23:37:34 < BrainDamage> the stupid probes I have have the cable run exactly where you're supposed to grip
2012-08-30T23:37:41 < BrainDamage> and it's soldered in, you cannot disconnect
2012-08-30T23:53:19 < zyp> I've considered soldering my saleae probes, because they keep falling off the leads
2012-08-30T23:55:05 < BrainDamage> http://sigrok.org/wiki/Probe_comparison
2012-08-30T23:55:11 < BrainDamage> my case is cheap probe #2
2012-08-30T23:55:42 < BrainDamage> cheap probe #1 doesn't seem too bad
2012-08-30T23:55:53 < zyp> it looks horrible
2012-08-30T23:56:36 < BrainDamage> I care about it actually working and not getting in the way
2012-08-30T23:57:28 < zyp> I mean horrible as it looks like it's single ended and single ended probes are horrible to work with
2012-08-30T23:58:03 < BrainDamage> oh, I don't know if it's single ended
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2012-08-31T00:04:14 < zyp> it is very obviously single ended
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2012-08-31T00:43:05 < Laurenceb_> http://sigrok.org/wiki/File:Probes_cheap2.jpg
2012-08-31T00:43:10 < Laurenceb_> those are really annoying
2012-08-31T00:43:29 < BrainDamage> that's what I have :/
2012-08-31T00:43:34 < zyp> then don't get them
2012-08-31T00:45:00 < Laurenceb_> they are on the bus pirate
2012-08-31T00:45:20 < Laurenceb_> i poured epoxy down them to get them to grip more
2012-08-31T00:45:38 < Laurenceb_> - put WD48 on the metal first
2012-08-31T00:46:05 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/NC1B/290-1106-ND/299987 <- I'm going to get a bunch of these next time I need to bump an order over the free shipping limit
2012-08-31T00:46:34 < zyp> they are dongs-approved, so they should be pretty good
2012-08-31T00:49:53 < emeb> *cough* (price)
2012-08-31T00:50:03 < Laurenceb_> expensive
2012-08-31T00:50:12 < Laurenceb_> dongs makes shittons of money so doesnt care
2012-08-31T00:50:23 < Laurenceb_> but so do i so...
2012-08-31T00:51:01 < Laurenceb_> paid 2 troll
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2012-08-31T01:25:33 < emeb> just 'cause you make shittons of money doesn't mean lighting your cigars with $100 bills is a good idea.
2012-08-31T01:37:54 < zyp> and just because you don't it doesn't mean it's not worth investing in good tools
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2012-08-31T01:53:13 < emeb> zyp: also true. 0.3mm probes could come in handy, but getting 8x of them costs almost as much as the Saleae LA itself.
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2012-08-31T02:38:12 < Tzacks> hey guys is there anybody who uses coocox?
2012-08-31T02:38:26 < Tzacks> i there any way to hide a part of the code?
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2012-08-31T03:25:34 < dongs> clips? yeah
2012-08-31T03:25:36 < dongs> those are good
2012-08-31T03:25:54 < dongs> Tzacks: folding? i dunno, doesnt eclipse support it.
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2012-08-31T03:36:34 < dongs> sup trolls
2012-08-31T03:37:09 < dongs> emeb: who the fuck would buy that shitty saleae thing
2012-08-31T03:38:09 < cjbaird> lol cmos camera sensors: http://i.imgur.com/MuAqX.png (supposedly black)
2012-08-31T03:38:20 < dongs> cjbaird: old news
2012-08-31T03:38:56 < dongs> cjbaird: ive seen security cams with menu on them to do dead pixel correction
2012-08-31T03:39:17 < dongs> you put the cap on and run it in that mode and it finds shit that looks broken and w ill then replace with nearest pixel or so
2012-08-31T03:40:06 < cjbaird> That's what I did. But I get to experience the joy of doing it from scratch.
2012-08-31T03:40:22 < dongs> heh
2012-08-31T03:40:29 < dongs> why are you dicking with that shitty cheap camera anyway
2012-08-31T03:40:41 < dongs> whas the final goal
2012-08-31T03:40:44 < cjbaird> Because of the hardware, there's also analogue issues to take into account as well.
2012-08-31T03:40:53 < dongs> integrate it into your leelong laptop?
2012-08-31T03:42:19 < cjbaird> A "QRP"/low-power/unlicenced radiocam.
2012-08-31T03:43:21 < cjbaird> SSTV isn't slooooow enough.
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2012-08-31T03:48:38 < dongs> haha
2012-08-31T03:48:45 < cjbaird> Something the Ham Radio guise keep from people (..because they want you to join their creepy little clubs..) is that the Class Licences controlling most ham radio bands only need a licence if you're transmitting above a certain power. QRP'ing lets you hack in the same bands in any way you want (digital mode, etc. on VOX-only). 1.8MHz Radio links that can be made for a buck, and such.
2012-08-31T03:49:33 < cjbaird> Of course, you need full-call licence knowledge to get into that shit...
2012-08-31T03:50:58 < cjbaird> The sort of power output that can be used is in the order of milliwatts for links ~few kilometres, or ~5 watts to go around the globe.
2012-08-31T03:52:32 < dongs> http://dx.com/p/round-cleaning-pad-for-solder-tip-yellow-100-pcs-150794
2012-08-31T03:53:02 < dongs> once you pop you cant stop
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2012-08-31T03:53:21 < cjbaird> delicious when fried
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2012-08-31T03:59:23 < cjbaird> The radiocam idea is just one idea.. At the moment's it's more of creating a toolset for using the cam.
2012-08-31T04:05:19 < cjbaird> Ha.. I get to use that HP35s calculator for reals-- verifying my statistical code is outputing the correct std.dev & such
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2012-08-31T05:04:15 < emeb> dongs: Looks like zyp has one.
2012-08-31T05:04:35 < emeb> (of the saleae things)
2012-08-31T05:08:59 < dongs> emeb: just get this http://www.hotmcu.com/xzl-studio-dx-mixed-signal-oscilloscope-logic-analyzer-p-13.html?cPath=3_26&zenid=guol5eve28etgtqsbgi18k1j02
2012-08-31T05:09:05 < dongs> for less than saleae shit
2012-08-31T05:09:14 < dongs> its a clone of http://www.usbee.com/dx.html
2012-08-31T05:09:34 < dongs> except its not $999
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2012-08-31T05:10:37 < emeb> dongs: cool.
2012-08-31T05:10:42 < dongs> very cool
2012-08-31T05:11:01 < emeb> sample rate on the 'scope inputs?
2012-08-31T05:11:02 < dongs> if I didnt already have a 4ghz logic analyzer i would get that.
2012-08-31T05:11:44 < dongs> check the manual. it comes with 20mhz probes, so obv not more than that
2012-08-31T05:11:53 < emeb> Yeah.
2012-08-31T05:11:59 < dongs> its not exactly intended to be used as a scope, the point is logic analyzer + siggen
2012-08-31T05:12:15 < emeb> Got a 60MHz Tek analog scope already - works fine for most of what I do.
2012-08-31T05:13:03 < dongs> Analog Channels 2
2012-08-31T05:13:04 < dongs> Maximum Analog Sample Rate [1] 24 Msps
2012-08-31T05:13:04 < dongs> Analog Bandwidth 40 MHz
2012-08-31T05:13:31 < dongs> pretty useless but like i said, not hte point of it
2012-08-31T05:16:18 < dongs> they have a logic clone for 18 bucks
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2012-08-31T05:41:43 < cjbaird> 5 bux Cortex-M4 launchpad..
2012-08-31T05:42:36 < cjbaird> kaltura? wtfis that?
2012-08-31T05:44:04 < cjbaird> SHIT JUST GOT REAL
2012-08-31T05:44:30 < dongs> 'join a webinar'
2012-08-31T05:44:33 < dongs> on front page of their site
2012-08-31T05:44:35 < dongs> insta-close
2012-08-31T05:53:08 < cjbaird> The usb-jtagness on that Stellaris launchpad had better not be the windows-only board-locked Code Red shit like on the NXPpresso.
2012-08-31T05:53:17 < dongs> plz
2012-08-31T05:53:39 < dongs> who actually uses something besides windows to do REAL WORK
2012-08-31T05:53:56 < dongs> i mean even Laurenceb uses windows.
2012-08-31T05:54:40 < dongs> Note: Balls can have multiplexed functions. Only the default function is depicted in above diagram
2012-08-31T05:56:24 < emeb> define REAL WORK - I'm shipping ARM code (that I actually get paid for) written on a Linux-based dev system.
2012-08-31T05:56:52 < dongs> i;m sorry to hear that.
2012-08-31T05:57:05 < emeb> heh - no need. Works fine.
2012-08-31T05:57:58 < dongs> so ti finally catched up with cortex m4 shit
2012-08-31T05:57:59 < cjbaird> "Oh. I remember that embedded development revolution that happened in Microsoft-space in the 20 years prior to the Arduino bandwagon.."
2012-08-31T05:58:44 < dongs> cjbaird: https://code.google.com/p/arduino/downloads/list
2012-08-31T05:58:47 < dongs> numbers speak for themselves.
2012-08-31T05:58:51 < cjbaird> "You're doing a Java-based cross-platform ATMega development platform? LOOOOOL GUD LUK M8"
2012-08-31T05:58:55 < emeb> Yeah - wonder how much mkt share Luminary parts have.
2012-08-31T05:58:56 < dongs> arduino 1.0.1 downloads for windows: 320000
2012-08-31T05:59:05 < dongs> for lunix: 23000
2012-08-31T05:59:21 < dongs> and the lunix downloads is probably idiots downloading same shit over and over hwne it didnt work with their distro
2012-08-31T05:59:23 < emeb> how many for Mac OS?
2012-08-31T05:59:32 < dongs> emeb: 66k lol
2012-08-31T05:59:41 < dongs> macfag is actually more popular than lunix, thats amazingly shitty.
2012-08-31T05:59:41 < emeb> ~ 3x Linux.
2012-08-31T05:59:58 < cjbaird> "number of new projects written by mouthbreating windows arduino users: 50 .. by linux arduino users: the rest"
2012-08-31T06:00:05 < emeb> A lot of "Makers" like Mac.
2012-08-31T06:00:07 < dongs> riight
2012-08-31T06:00:18 < dongs> < emeb> Yeah - wonder how much mkt share Luminary parts have.
2012-08-31T06:00:24 < dongs> they alwys seemed kinda shitty.
2012-08-31T06:00:29 < cjbaird> Yep, the Macintosh factor was certainly a bit part of its success.
2012-08-31T06:00:30 < dongs> but the ehternet parts have built in phy.
2012-08-31T06:00:33 < emeb> And expensive.
2012-08-31T06:00:34 < cjbaird> *big part
2012-08-31T06:00:37 < dongs> i know at least one proj that used ht em because of that
2012-08-31T06:00:43 < dongs> over say stm32.
2012-08-31T06:01:12 < emeb> TI parts seem to cost more than equiv ST parts.
2012-08-31T06:01:20 < dongs> ya causae noone uses htem
2012-08-31T06:01:23 < emeb> And don't have nearly as nice periphs.
2012-08-31T06:01:56  * emeb used to use dsPIC for analog stuff - STM32 ADC is much less noisy.
2012-08-31T06:02:14 < emeb> and lower power at faster speed too.
2012-08-31T06:02:16 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/lm4f230h5qr
2012-08-31T06:02:22 < dongs> pretty cheap
2012-08-31T06:03:03 < dongs> but F3 is gonna rape that
2012-08-31T06:03:11 < dongs> hard
2012-08-31T06:03:36 < emeb> are they actually in stock at DK/Mouser tho?
2012-08-31T06:03:55 < dongs> wut
2012-08-31T06:04:01 < dongs> stm32 has like 20+
2012-08-31T06:04:13 < dongs> yes, stm has vbat too
2012-08-31T06:05:41 < emeb> only 80MHz clock - compare to 168 on STM32F4
2012-08-31T06:05:46 < dongs> right
2012-08-31T06:06:07 < emeb> No I2S either - no good for me (audio stuff).
2012-08-31T06:06:49 < emeb> 32k SRAM / 256k Flash.
2012-08-31T06:06:56 < dongs> terrible
2012-08-31T06:07:07 < emeb> DOA
2012-08-31T06:07:15 < dongs> and it hasnt even A yet.
2012-08-31T06:07:18 < dongs> most parts are preview.
2012-08-31T06:07:26 < dongs> and hte ones for sale are engineering samples.
2012-08-31T06:07:38 < emeb> BZZZT - Try again TI.
2012-08-31T06:09:31 < emeb> Moving to the laptop...
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2012-08-31T06:20:29 < dongs> his lunix laptop couldnt come out of hibernation
2012-08-31T06:21:02 < cjbaird> vidcam results for the day: http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1346383125103.png .. Improved pixel averaging has completely eliminated the encoding artifacting.. :D
2012-08-31T06:22:11 < dongs> why hte fuck is that on 4chan
2012-08-31T06:23:59 < cjbaird> imggirl jpegs files over a certain size.
2012-08-31T06:24:10 < dongs> yes it does
2012-08-31T06:24:18 < dongs> gay shit
2012-08-31T06:24:28 < dongs> it used not to be so gay
2012-08-31T06:25:05 < cjbaird> comparison of how much it's cleaned it up (sharpening to "90%"): http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1346383436105.png
2012-08-31T06:27:34 < dongs> whats the thread your dumping this in
2012-08-31T06:28:10 < cjbaird> I DON'T THINK SO.
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2012-08-31T06:28:31 < dongs> gonna go to /g/ and find out
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2012-08-31T06:29:25 < dongs> looks like youre master-sageing it
2012-08-31T06:29:42 < dongs> found
2012-08-31T06:30:34 < dongs> > Enjoy your boilerplate Jewtel shit
2012-08-31T06:30:35 < dongs> hah
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2012-08-31T06:31:35 < emeb_mac> did I miss anything?
2012-08-31T06:31:46 < dongs> 12:20 < dongs> his lunix laptop couldnt come out of hibernation
2012-08-31T06:33:24 < dongs> holy fuck
2012-08-31T06:33:27 < dongs> trying to post in thread
2012-08-31T06:33:33 < dongs> cant read captcha after clicking 'reload" 10 times
2012-08-31T06:38:16 < emeb_mac> captcha - full of fail.
2012-08-31T06:38:41 < emeb_mac> "the internet - like a training camp for never amounting to anything."
2012-08-31T06:40:14 < cjbaird> Gee, I wonder which group's DDoS campaign made 4chan introduce captchas..
2012-08-31T06:41:11 < dongs> haha
2012-08-31T06:41:18 < dongs> surely not GNAA
2012-08-31T06:41:21 < emeb_mac> lol
2012-08-31T06:42:13 < dongs> hmm wehre teh fuck is all my fx2 sample code gone
2012-08-31T06:42:30 < emeb_mac> you still harping on that TI piece of fail? :P
2012-08-31T06:43:12  * emeb_mac practices his trolling.
2012-08-31T06:59:50 < cjbaird> wut .. US$1700 for an Acorn /Atom/? .. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extremely-Rare-condition-Acorn-Atom-Computer-Museum-Quality-and-working/251105620795
2012-08-31T07:01:01 < cjbaird> There were more of those things in the UK than the VIC20..
2012-08-31T07:02:41 < dongs> lol
2012-08-31T07:02:54 < dongs> garbage
2012-08-31T07:03:12 < dongs> TOO MANY GOSUBS
2012-08-31T07:03:29 < dongs> lol comes with schematics
2012-08-31T07:07:13 < cjbaird> The auction winner porably didn't have anything MLP related to buy that week.
2012-08-31T07:09:55 < cjbaird> Acorn ordered about 200,000 Atoms for the ?1982 Xmas season, which the manufacturer missed the shipping deadline for, resulting in a lot of quit-sale priced stock on sale for 99 to 50 pounds in the months after.
2012-08-31T07:25:38 < emeb_mac> saw an article about a nonfunctional Apple I being auctioned - they expected > $125k for it. For a 35 year-old 2-layer PCB with a 6502 and some TTL chips. Crazy.
2012-08-31T07:31:15 < cjbaird> You can buy new Apple1-replicas for $666 now..
2012-08-31T07:33:57 < zippe> flyback: the nice thing about the stellaris parts is the non-sucky driver library
2012-08-31T07:37:16 < dongs> cjbaird: or you can just emulate crapple1 on a PC
2012-08-31T07:37:17 < dongs> for free
2012-08-31T07:37:38 < dongs> assuming anyone gives a fuck
2012-08-31T07:38:11 < dongs> hmm failing to bulk transfer
2012-08-31T07:38:14 < dongs> must be missing somethign
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2012-08-31T08:24:03 < dongs> so did any of you dudes who were bloggin about  doing FT232 emulator actually done it
2012-08-31T08:32:54 < dongs> http://ixo-jtag.sourceforge.net/archive/ixo_de_usb_jtag.html
2012-08-31T08:33:00 < dongs> You're curious to find out how a FX2 is able to (partially) emulate a FTDI FT245.
2012-08-31T08:33:03 < dongs> cool.
2012-08-31T08:36:44 < zippe> hihi
2012-08-31T08:37:56 < dongs> wtf material is that
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2012-08-31T09:45:50 < cjbaird> If it were magnesium metal, it would continue burning while exposed to the atmosphere?
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2012-08-31T09:55:05 < dongs> ur a striker
2012-08-31T09:58:41 < zyp> dongs, I've actually used that
2012-08-31T09:58:50 < dongs> zyp, that code?
2012-08-31T09:59:22 < zyp> «Can be built to run on Xilinx Spartan-3E Starter Kit»
2012-08-31T09:59:29 < zyp> I did that a few years ago
2012-08-31T09:59:32 < dongs> i think i got one of those
2012-08-31T10:00:43 < zyp> IIRC the Impact tool didn't work properly with usb in linux at that time, and that's what I was using
2012-08-31T10:00:55 < dongs> right.
2012-08-31T10:01:01 < dongs> somethign not properly working in lunix
2012-08-31T10:01:04 < dongs> shock and horror.
2012-08-31T10:01:39 < zyp> I think I wrote a batch script to export xsvf and write it with urjtag
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2012-08-31T10:17:41 < dongs> so once i land in hardfault hander how do i find out what caused it
2012-08-31T10:18:19 < dongs> got it.
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2012-08-31T11:02:01 < nopcode_> what
2012-08-31T11:02:05 < nopcode_> who wanted to ban me
2012-08-31T11:02:06 < nopcode_> why
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2012-08-31T11:03:02 < dongs> haha
2012-08-31T11:05:42 < zyp> Steffanx, because his irc client was broken :p
2012-08-31T11:11:59 < dongs> hmm
2012-08-31T11:12:08 < dongs> how should I deal with single byte transfers over usb>cdc
2012-08-31T11:12:15 < dongs> just push them to USB from uart interrupt or wat
2012-08-31T11:16:10 < nopcode> oh ic ;)
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2012-08-31T11:26:30 < dongs> ntfreak_: where's F3 reference manual
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2012-08-31T11:32:03 < zyp> dongs, bytes coming in on uart to be relayed over usb?
2012-08-31T11:32:12 < dongs> ya
2012-08-31T11:32:29 < dongs> i see the sample collects shit for 5 frames then sends it out
2012-08-31T11:32:49 < dongs> SOF happens constantly?
2012-08-31T11:33:21 < zyp> it's a overhead/latency tradeoff
2012-08-31T11:33:39 < zyp> smaller transfers add more overhead, larger transfers add more latency
2012-08-31T11:33:50 < dongs> right
2012-08-31T11:33:54 < dongs> this doesnt matter though
2012-08-31T11:34:10 < dongs> its one of the modes,,, if its in usb>uart mode, it relays GPS uart over it
2012-08-31T11:34:12 < dongs> for testing/config
2012-08-31T11:34:25 < dongs> so doesnt really matter latency etc.
2012-08-31T11:35:42 < zyp> keep a buffer of incoming bytes, for lowest latency, write what you have in the buffer whenever there is bytes in the buffer and usb is idle
2012-08-31T11:36:14 < dongs> so, is SOF shit calls back every 125us? always? whether thers traffic or not?
2012-08-31T11:36:41 < zyp> probably
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2012-08-31T11:41:00 < dongs> fuck the sample driver is retarded
2012-08-31T11:41:23 < dongs> USB_SIL_Read() for reads, but directly calls PMATowhatevershit for writes
2012-08-31T11:41:28 < dongs> why not use USB_SIL_Write ?!
2012-08-31T11:44:10 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Y2c51Z42.html ???
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2012-08-31T11:53:34 < Tectu> dongs
2012-08-31T11:53:53 < dongs> sup dongs
2012-08-31T11:54:01 < Tectu> sup dongs
2012-08-31T11:54:44 < Laurenceb_> GNAA
2012-08-31T11:56:46 < dongs> http://www.st.com/internet/com/SOFTWARE_RESOURCES/SW_COMPONENT/FIRMWARE/stm32_f105-07_f2_f4_usb-host-device_lib.zip
2012-08-31T11:56:57 < Laurenceb_> but where is F3 ref man
2012-08-31T11:57:08 < dongs> where the fuck is this linked from
2012-08-31T11:57:09 < dongs> i bet nowhere
2012-08-31T11:57:14 < dongs> found it on forums
2012-08-31T11:57:50 < Laurenceb_> its on my hard drive
2012-08-31T11:58:01 < Laurenceb_> already so it must be on the site
2012-08-31T11:58:12 < Laurenceb_> -linked
2012-08-31T12:03:32 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/31/china_boot_camp_teachers_licensed/
2012-08-31T12:03:34 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-31T12:03:41 < Laurenceb_> everyone on here needs a beating
2012-08-31T12:07:51 < zyp> you need a beating
2012-08-31T12:08:46 < Laurenceb_> lol
2012-08-31T12:08:57 < Laurenceb_> just realised why its quieter on the nets
2012-08-31T12:09:06 < Laurenceb_> all the nerds have gone to https://www.emfcamp.org/
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2012-08-31T12:14:33 < cjbaird> free sausages for everyone!
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2012-08-31T12:38:30 < Tectu> hallo BjoernC
2012-08-31T12:38:39 < BjoernC> tag
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2012-08-31T14:21:44 < Tectu> is the Hitex STM32 worth to read?
2012-08-31T14:21:51 < Tectu> http://www.google.ch/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hitex.com%2Ffileadmin%2Fpdf%2Finsiders-guides%2Fstm32%2Fisg-stm32-v18d-scr.pdf&ei=I55AULulKufU4QSgz4AQ&usg=AFQjCNGDhFlStGDWoy_2LNnRj6I5rXT83w&sig2=Hzb2L4e43RepPzqz1pZjUw
2012-08-31T14:22:13 < Laurenceb> shit maybe i need to improve my appearance
2012-08-31T14:22:31 < Laurenceb> so im sitting on a train and fat dorky guy gets on
2012-08-31T14:22:38 < Laurenceb> and sits next to me :(
2012-08-31T14:22:51 < Tectu> Laurenceb, so you always fail in life
2012-08-31T14:23:10 < Laurenceb> my street cred just took a dive
2012-08-31T14:23:52 < zyp> sounds like the solution is to get a worse appearance, so nobody would want to sit next to you
2012-08-31T14:23:56 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-31T14:24:07 < Tectu> zyp, can it get worse?
2012-08-31T14:24:24 < Laurenceb> you dont know what i look like
2012-08-31T14:24:31 < zyp> don't ask me, I've never seen the guy
2012-08-31T14:24:56 < Laurenceb> *frantic googling*
2012-08-31T14:25:07 < Laurenceb> theres no photos of me on intertubes
2012-08-31T14:25:48 < Laurenceb> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~space/photos/hillary2005/IMG4.jpg
2012-08-31T14:25:52 < Laurenceb> and no that isnt me
2012-08-31T14:26:51 < dongs> FUCK USBLIB; USBLIB SUX; USBLIB IS DYING; USBLIB IS DEAD TO ME; USBLIB HIT WTC
2012-08-31T14:26:55 < cjbaird> A picture of me hangs in the Smithsonian, bitches.
2012-08-31T14:26:57 < Laurenceb> rofl
2012-08-31T14:27:05 < Laurenceb> yeah right
2012-08-31T14:28:11 < Laurenceb> lol @ usblib did wtc
2012-08-31T14:28:29 < Laurenceb> usblib did wtc7
2012-08-31T14:28:30 < dongs> ya man this shit is rage inducing
2012-08-31T14:28:51 < dongs> LETS COPY SHIT TO EP BUFFER IN BOTH SOF_CALLBACK *AND* IN EP_IN CALLBACK
2012-08-31T14:28:57 < dongs> without ANY FUCKING EXPLANATION
2012-08-31T14:29:01 < Laurenceb>  "dont taze me bro"
2012-08-31T14:29:45 < dongs> have you looked at virtual_com_port sample shit?
2012-08-31T14:29:53 < dongs> the handle_async_xfer shit
2012-08-31T14:30:00 < dongs> and shit in ep1_in_callback
2012-08-31T14:30:06 < dongs> basicalyl same fucking code repeating
2012-08-31T14:30:08 < dongs> no fucking idea why
2012-08-31T14:31:46 < Laurenceb> oh shitz i am on intertubez
2012-08-31T14:31:55 < Laurenceb> got tagged on facefuck
2012-08-31T14:32:01 < Laurenceb> http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7LXqECT0XNOYDv0ExkRjSuj-EGqUfl3TLH4ZpZm_5tPDRXyWo
2012-08-31T14:32:10 < Laurenceb> chilling with my ho's
2012-08-31T14:32:44 < dongs> you were within a photo distance of a female creature?
2012-08-31T14:32:55 < dongs> i find that hard to believe
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2012-08-31T14:33:02 < Laurenceb> apparently so
2012-08-31T14:34:16 < Laurenceb> looks like i captures two of them
2012-08-31T14:36:03 < dongs> http://www.indiegogo.com/SAVEBABYEASTON
2012-08-31T14:36:23 < dongs> i dont really see how this is going to end well
2012-08-31T14:36:29 < cjbaird> TOO OLD
2012-08-31T14:36:48 < dongs> >  There is NO cure for this horrific disease.
2012-08-31T14:36:53 < dongs> so why pump money into this
2012-08-31T14:40:14 < cjbaird> "...an inherited connective tissue disease"  Good one, Mom and Pop.
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2012-08-31T14:53:22 < Laurenceb> apparently 500K Rpis delivered so far
2012-08-31T14:53:55 < dongs> haha
2012-08-31T14:53:55 < dongs> to where/
2012-08-31T14:54:13 < zyp> everywhere, I guess
2012-08-31T14:56:50 < cjbaird> I wonder about their 'charity' status.. The blog has always sounded like they're working towards commercial goals, even if it's not for themselves.
2012-08-31T14:57:20 < Laurenceb> of course
2012-08-31T14:57:30 < Laurenceb> they want to shift broadcom processors
2012-08-31T14:57:40 < Laurenceb> thats the aim of the project
2012-08-31T14:57:57 < Laurenceb> as broadcom has to recoup dev costs for the arm11 stuff that didnt sell
2012-08-31T14:58:14 < Laurenceb> aiui they aim to ship about 2million
2012-08-31T14:59:11 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2012/08/31/dual-core-arduino-for-more-pins/
2012-08-31T14:59:14 < Laurenceb> dual core bro
2012-08-31T14:59:22 < zyp> that's insane!
2012-08-31T15:03:47 < Laurenceb> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/michaellaine/space-elevator-science-climb-to-the-sky-a-tethered
2012-08-31T15:06:07 < Laurenceb> "yeah we're going to get into space"
2012-08-31T15:06:19 < Laurenceb> meanwhile what they actually built
2012-08-31T15:06:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.flickr.com/photos/space_elevator/498233596/in/set-72157600214512937/lightbox/
2012-08-31T15:06:57 < Laurenceb> is that from his mums bed?
2012-08-31T15:15:30 < Laurenceb> http://www.dilas.com/pages/products.php?category=2&series=4
2012-08-31T15:15:33 < Laurenceb> fapfapfsp
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2012-08-31T15:23:08 < dongs> > 2000W
2012-08-31T15:23:13 < dongs> wtf
2012-08-31T15:24:37 < cjbaird> "Crowd control!"
2012-08-31T15:25:03 < zyp> use it to beam power to your quad
2012-08-31T15:25:24 < dongs> haha
2012-08-31T15:26:58 < zyp> I guess everybody has seen that demo some company did once
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2012-08-31T15:58:38 < dongs> commence blog
2012-08-31T15:59:00 < Laurenceb> lol i got banned from 4chan
2012-08-31T15:59:06 <+Steffanx> Good for you
2012-08-31T15:59:32 < Laurenceb> they dont like dead kitten reap
2012-08-31T15:59:35 <+izua> my whole country is banned from 4chan
2012-08-31T15:59:39 < dongs> http://www.indiegogo.com/calligraphuck
2012-08-31T15:59:44 <+Steffanx> Be happy izua
2012-08-31T15:59:53 < Laurenceb> lol where is that?
2012-08-31T16:00:46 < dongs> probably some shitty east europe country
2012-08-31T16:00:56 < dongs> israel or somethin like that
2012-08-31T16:00:59 < Laurenceb> lol
2012-08-31T16:01:12 <+Steffanx> Doesn't everyone know izua is from .ro ?
2012-08-31T16:01:16 <+Steffanx> d
2012-08-31T16:01:21 < dongs> o, hes a hacker?
2012-08-31T16:01:27 < Laurenceb> 4chan doesnt like stuff from uncyclopedia offensive page
2012-08-31T16:01:31 < dongs> .ro = hardcore hackers
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2012-08-31T16:02:23 < Laurenceb> but only if it involves cats
2012-08-31T16:02:33 < Laurenceb> ive tried a scientific test
2012-08-31T16:02:34 <+izua> dongs: how the fuck is israel eastern europe
2012-08-31T16:02:43 < dongs> i was wiating for someone to notice that.
2012-08-31T16:02:56 <+izua> also, we gave out the hacking stuff
2012-08-31T16:02:59 <+izua> we';re more into skimming now
2012-08-31T16:03:03 <+Steffanx> I was just like "Oh, dongs-talk again"
2012-08-31T16:03:37 <+izua> what is indiegogo
2012-08-31T16:03:45 <+Steffanx> kickstarter wannabee
2012-08-31T16:03:45 <+izua> looks like kickstarter of sorts
2012-08-31T16:03:52 <+izua> oh.
2012-08-31T16:03:58 < zyp> euro-kickstarter-wannabe
2012-08-31T16:04:00 <+izua> the graphic cards are pretty neat though
2012-08-31T16:04:01 < dongs> if you fail to kickstarter,  you retry there
2012-08-31T16:04:05 < dongs> oh is it euro?
2012-08-31T16:04:08 <+izua> euro?
2012-08-31T16:04:11 < zyp> dunno
2012-08-31T16:04:13 < dongs> cause tom66 used that
2012-08-31T16:04:16 < dongs> instead of kickstarter
2012-08-31T16:04:21 <+izua> that's all i care about, cba about american ssn
2012-08-31T16:04:25 < zyp> I hear people are using it because kickstarter were US only or something
2012-08-31T16:04:31 <+izua> yeah, it still is
2012-08-31T16:04:31 <+Steffanx> yes it is
2012-08-31T16:04:48 < zyp> maybe not euro but euro-friendly
2012-08-31T16:04:52 <+izua> onwards to redesign something and get other people hyped into paying me for it
2012-08-31T16:04:54 < dongs> thats pretty jewish
2012-08-31T16:05:00 < dongs> you can contribute to a kickstarter project from worldwide
2012-08-31T16:05:21 < dongs> but starter can only be in us
2012-08-31T16:05:33 <+Steffanx> You care way too much, dongs
2012-08-31T16:05:34 < dongs> thats ok
2012-08-31T16:05:34 < dongs> one of theese days i will troll somethin up on there
2012-08-31T16:05:34 < dongs> that will net me a cool million or two
2012-08-31T16:05:36 < dongs> with zero effort
2012-08-31T16:05:48 <+izua> and then you won't deliver
2012-08-31T16:05:54 < dongs> of course
2012-08-31T16:05:55 <+izua> like op always does
2012-08-31T16:05:56 <+Steffanx> openvizsla
2012-08-31T16:06:07 < dongs> thats a given
2012-08-31T16:06:15 < dongs> name a kickstarter project that actually delivered
2012-08-31T16:06:17 < dongs> something of value
2012-08-31T16:06:20 <+Steffanx> isostick or is that project finished now?
2012-08-31T16:06:42 <+Steffanx> oh, yes "More isosticks shipped"
2012-08-31T16:06:49 <+izua> dongs: uhm
2012-08-31T16:06:56 <+izua> there was a decent one over lucid dreaming "devices"
2012-08-31T16:06:58 < zyp> aw, then we can't call it isostuck :(
2012-08-31T16:07:03 <+izua> ie, delayed led blinkers on sleeping masks.
2012-08-31T16:07:12 < dongs> dunno, i dont do drugs
2012-08-31T16:07:25 <+Steffanx> drugs != device
2012-08-31T16:07:25 < dongs> so thats of little value to me
2012-08-31T16:08:18 < dongs> hmm... i gotta figure out a way to unlame this s hit
2012-08-31T16:08:57 < cjbaird> I had a lucid dream once were I was a skunk. As in the critter. I pondered if I should eat bugs..
2012-08-31T16:09:42 <+izua> did you?
2012-08-31T16:10:00 < zyp> cjbaird, that's your mind telling you that you stink and should start showering
2012-08-31T16:11:23 < cjbaird> Which was weird. Lucid dreams usually go "oh wow, I'm in a dream fantasy world. SEXUAL EXCESS AHOY!" ..but I was trotting around on four tiny legs being furry. What a waste.
2012-08-31T16:12:06 <+Steffanx> I guess you're not good enough cjbaird
2012-08-31T16:12:25 <+Steffanx> A pro can turn himself into a 'human' and do fancy stuff
2012-08-31T16:13:18 < zyp> I prefer doing fancy stuff after I wake up
2012-08-31T16:13:39 <+Steffanx> Something you can do in real life mr zyp
2012-08-31T16:14:06 < cjbaird> Maybe a semi-lucid dream from one time: I convinced a Pizza restaurant to make me a super-sausage-roll by cooking a sausage inside some pizza dough..
2012-08-31T16:14:44 <+izua> as far as retarded projects go, this one sounds good: http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum
2012-08-31T16:15:05 <+Steffanx> 1,176,503 Whaaat!
2012-08-31T16:15:08 <+izua> cjbaird: how did it taste?
2012-08-31T16:15:11 < dongs> haha
2012-08-31T16:15:16 <+izua> i bet that's dongs' work
2012-08-31T16:15:29 <+Steffanx> No one can beat THAT
2012-08-31T16:15:40 <+izua> the tesla museum?
2012-08-31T16:15:45 < zyp> Steffanx, it's not my fault you're not able to do cool stuff when you are awake, and can only resort to dreaming about it :p
2012-08-31T16:15:59 <+izua> you can make a project like "let's bribe our way into the government to legalize weed everywhere"
2012-08-31T16:16:08 <+Steffanx> Sure zyp
2012-08-31T16:16:10 <+Steffanx> You can fly?
2012-08-31T16:16:19 <+Steffanx> Have 6 arms?
2012-08-31T16:16:29 < dongs> zyp can fly a dongcopter
2012-08-31T16:17:37 < zyp> Steffanx, yea, I can build multirotors with six arms capable of flying
2012-08-31T16:17:51 <+Steffanx> I didn't talk about what you can build
2012-08-31T16:18:12 < zyp> it's still cooler than fantasies
2012-08-31T16:18:20 <+Steffanx> No way
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2012-08-31T16:26:00 <+izua> http://www.indiegogo.com/komputerdlakamila
2012-08-31T16:26:03 <+izua> this is pretty good.
2012-08-31T16:26:08 <+izua> Hello! My name is Kamil Scheicht, and I'm producing videos on YouTube at http://youtube.com/kamilscheicht My computer crashed few days ago and my work is currently freezed because of that. I don't have a lot of money for buying a new one right now, and I need some help if it's possible.
2012-08-31T16:26:19 < dongs> lawl
2012-08-31T16:28:03 <+Steffanx> Isn't there also someone who wants a new car?
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2012-08-31T16:33:09 < dongs> do i dare clicking on his jewtube page
2012-08-31T16:33:18 < dongs> 18 million views hwah te ufck
2012-08-31T16:33:30 < dongs> haha @ that pc
2012-08-31T16:33:39 < dongs> lol braces
2012-08-31T16:33:40 < dongs> what the hell
2012-08-31T16:34:34 < dongs> what hte fuck does this guy post
2012-08-31T16:34:39 < dongs> minecrap videos?
2012-08-31T16:34:44 <+Steffanx> people don't have that in jappieland? Braces?
2012-08-31T16:45:26 < zyp> oh, some do
2012-08-31T16:45:35 < zyp> I saw a guy on a train when I were there
2012-08-31T16:45:40 < zyp> worst teeth I've ever seen
2012-08-31T16:48:56 <+izua> here's something neater
2012-08-31T16:48:57 <+izua> http://runawaybrainz.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/audio-crystal-cmoy-freeform-headphone.html
2012-08-31T16:49:13 <+izua> some dead bug circuit casted in resin
2012-08-31T16:49:19 <+izua> cast? casted? ehm.
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2012-08-31T16:52:53 <+Steffanx> Looks pretty nice imho, izua
2012-08-31T16:53:43 <+izua> it does
2012-08-31T17:02:24 <+izua> and this is even epic-er
2012-08-31T17:02:31 <+izua> it's like spacechem, but with electronics
2012-08-31T17:02:32 <+izua> http://www.zachtronicsindustries.com/kohctpyktop/kohctpyktop.htm
2012-08-31T17:04:39 <+Steffanx> awful color
2012-08-31T17:05:37 < dongs> > Maybe use an IC socket flush with the top of the Resin so the Op-Amp could be changed for different sound signatures.
2012-08-31T17:05:40 < dongs> loool
2012-08-31T17:07:27 < Laurenceb> ofg commie page
2012-08-31T17:07:53 < Laurenceb> lolwhat at newspaper
2012-08-31T17:08:04 <+izua> yeah i know
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2012-08-31T17:10:15 < Laurenceb> UN troops enter after russians screwed the place
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2012-08-31T17:30:36 < Laurenceb> http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/8876185.Trowbridge_porn_man_in_sting/?ref=mr
2012-08-31T17:30:41 < Laurenceb> pmsl
2012-08-31T17:31:05 < Laurenceb> thats got to be the most epically successful  troll in history
2012-08-31T17:56:39 < dongs> "The court was told the images were good quality and showed children as young as three or four."
2012-08-31T17:59:30 < dongs> you gotta wonder though how the fuck does Laurenceb come across all these links
2012-08-31T17:59:36 < dongs> i sure hope hes not googlign them up
2012-08-31T18:01:22 <+Steffanx> I don't even care. Don't even click on his links anymore
2012-08-31T18:07:52 < Laurenceb> its funny cuz he got trolled into giving himself up
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2012-08-31T18:16:23 < Laurenceb> what are the clip on ferrites for cables called?
2012-08-31T18:17:58 < claude_work> split ferrite core?
2012-08-31T18:18:11 < Laurenceb> ah maybe
2012-08-31T18:18:16 < Laurenceb> cant find any on farnell
2012-08-31T18:18:53 < claude_work> http://www.newark.com/fair-rite/0443163951/split-ferrite-core-100mhz-290ohm/dp/72K6745
2012-08-31T18:18:59 < Laurenceb> thanx
2012-08-31T18:24:37 < dongs> feerit
2012-08-31T18:25:20 <+Steffanx> dongs and his nicknames for everything
2012-08-31T18:30:06 < Tzacks> hey ppl, is there anybody who did any audio dsp?
2012-08-31T18:30:15 < dongs> i thought emeb did
2012-08-31T18:30:36 < Tzacks> i'll try him when hes here then thx
2012-08-31T18:32:21 < Laurenceb> f4discovery looks useful for that
2012-08-31T18:32:29 < Laurenceb> are there any audio demos for it?
2012-08-31T18:33:16 < Tzacks> yup :)
2012-08-31T18:34:06 < Tzacks> i got the same board and want to try some dsp i just need a little advice as i am new to it
2012-08-31T18:37:43 <+izua> emeb recommended me zolzer udo's stuff. the guy has two books, digital audio effects and digital audio signal processing
2012-08-31T18:42:42 < Laurenceb> awsome theres a new bong article
2012-08-31T18:46:24 < Tzacks> izua, i got some good books on that i just wanted to ask if you do some signal filtering and you want to use more then just one filter how it is done, just calculating first one, and then feeding the output to the other one or if it is done some other way
2012-08-31T18:46:33 < Tzacks> i couldnt find example like that anywhere
2012-08-31T18:47:50 < dongs> i'd imagine so
2012-08-31T18:47:59 < dongs> its just sample buffers going around, no?
2012-08-31T18:48:12 <+izua> i'd probably have multiple buffers and having the output of one filter being fed to the other filter
2012-08-31T18:48:41 < Tzacks> yup, thats what i wanted to ask, it shold be easy enough then
2012-08-31T18:49:17 < Tzacks> it will probably take some time until i get into it anyway :)
2012-08-31T18:49:34 <+izua> the thing is that, since it takes one sample for the first filter to output stuff and two samples for the second one (since it needs data from the first one), you'll be adding extra delay with each extra filter
2012-08-31T18:49:53 <+izua> probably not  important with small stuff.
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2012-08-31T18:50:00 < Tzacks> yep, i know the principles of it, i just neve done anythink like that before
2012-08-31T18:50:19 <+izua> you should honestly look up VST and get a vst host, like tobybear
2012-08-31T18:50:23 <+izua> and then write a plugin
2012-08-31T18:51:48 < Tzacks> i never heard about tobybear :)
2012-08-31T18:52:08 <+izua> doing this on an embedded device should not produce different results, but it will likely be more time consuming
2012-08-31T18:52:16 <+izua> it's some random dude who wrote a minimal vst client.
2012-08-31T18:52:35 < BrainDamage> linux or windows?
2012-08-31T18:53:06 < Tzacks> most likely stm32 :)
2012-08-31T18:53:09 <+izua> you can get like cubase or fruityloops i guess, but that's way overkill
2012-08-31T18:53:33 < Tzacks> aah i know what you mean now izua
2012-08-31T18:53:38 <+izua> vst effects are implemented as a dll. i think there were some patches for ardour to work with vst
2012-08-31T18:55:56  * emeb is here - Tzacks: what's up?
2012-08-31T18:56:15 < Tzacks> just wanted to ask about audio filtering, how it is done
2012-08-31T18:56:19 < BrainDamage> vst support in ardour is still meh
2012-08-31T18:56:28 < Tzacks> when you want to chain filters
2012-08-31T18:56:30 < BrainDamage> and needs for ardour to be built in 32 bit mode
2012-08-31T18:56:42 < emeb> Tzacks: Well, see - there are numbers...
2012-08-31T18:57:20 < emeb> What sort of filters?
2012-08-31T18:57:27 < emeb> IIR, FIR, etc?
2012-08-31T18:57:36 < Tzacks> yes
2012-08-31T18:57:47 < Tzacks> but the idea only
2012-08-31T18:57:50 < Tzacks> lets say
2012-08-31T18:58:35 < Tzacks> when you want to do two filters lets say high pass and then low pass, you calculate the first one and then you buffer the output walues and you feed them into the other one?
2012-08-31T18:58:45 < emeb> Pretty much.
2012-08-31T18:58:58 < Tzacks> ook that sounds quite  ok
2012-08-31T18:59:10 < emeb> Generally you'll find that there are libraries of filter functions - ST has some DSP stuff ferinstance.
2012-08-31T18:59:25 < Tzacks> im thinking what kind of project to work on in the next school year and i need something a bit advanced, so this is probably it
2012-08-31T18:59:33 < emeb> They usually are block-oriented - you give them a buffer full of sampled data and they crunch it.
2012-08-31T18:59:58 < Tzacks> i know if i want to do it for myself i find libraies online and i use them, but i wont be allowed in the school :)
2012-08-31T19:00:16 < emeb> They make you write from scratch?
2012-08-31T19:00:29 < Tzacks> it depends on complexity and time
2012-08-31T19:00:47 < emeb> No biggie - filters are generally easy to do and you can find examples to learn from.
2012-08-31T19:01:20 < Tzacks> they wouldnt mind if i use a library for fft or so but simple filter must be done from scratch as we study dsp at the course i do
2012-08-31T19:02:09 < Tzacks> i am thinking about wavetable synthesis and some soft synth or so :)
2012-08-31T19:02:20 < Tzacks> hope stm32f4 can do it fast enough
2012-08-31T19:02:25 < emeb> No problem.
2012-08-31T19:02:37 < emeb> I've got wavetable synths running on an F100.
2012-08-31T19:02:58 < emeb> F4 eats that sort of thing for breakfast.
2012-08-31T19:03:16 < Tzacks> can you give some specs what you done?
2012-08-31T19:03:30 < Tzacks> i meen number of oscillator channels filters etc?
2012-08-31T19:04:36 < emeb> On an F100 @ 24MHz I've got 2 morphing/interpolated wavetable oscillators in parallel: http://www.analoguehaven.com/synthesistechnology/e355/
2012-08-31T19:05:23 < emeb> On an F105 @ 72MHz I've got prototype code for a 4chl morphing/interpolated wavetable.
2012-08-31T19:06:24 < Tzacks> that looks quite good
2012-08-31T19:06:29 < emeb> A buddy has a Discovery F4 running 32 additive partials (Sine osc + Env Gen + LFO).
2012-08-31T19:06:51 < Tzacks> yup i would do something like that
2012-08-31T19:07:10 <+Steffanx> [offtopic] That website if awful emeb
2012-08-31T19:07:17 < Tzacks> :))))
2012-08-31T19:07:31 <+Steffanx> RIGHT aligned text :S
2012-08-31T19:07:32 < emeb> And I've got an F405 hooked to a 48kHz 16-bit stereo codec - uses about 3% of the CPU bandwidth to do a simple regenerative delay.
2012-08-31T19:07:45 <+Steffanx> No capitals
2012-08-31T19:07:47 < emeb> Steffanx: Not mine - it's the distributor.
2012-08-31T19:08:12 < Tzacks> aa very good, thnx for info
2012-08-31T19:08:37 < Tzacks> just to finish my stm32 invaders i can't already beat and then i can start wit the dsp finaly :)
2012-08-31T19:11:33 < emeb> np - good luck.
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2012-08-31T19:12:19 < Tzacks> i'll try not to bother too much with that dsp once i'll start with that ;)
2012-08-31T19:12:24 < emeb> heh
2012-08-31T19:28:55 <+Steffanx> dekar_ is home?
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2012-08-31T20:22:21 < Laurenceb> wtf
2012-08-31T20:22:29 < Laurenceb> "I am out of the office until Tues 4th December"
2012-08-31T20:22:38 < Laurenceb> you best be trolling
2012-08-31T20:22:52  * Laurenceb is trying to organise CE testing
2012-08-31T20:22:59  * Laurenceb is failing epically
2012-08-31T20:28:08 < Laurenceb> how can you just go on holiday for 3 months
2012-08-31T20:32:23 < Laurenceb> quiet in here
2012-08-31T20:33:25 < emeb> *crickets*
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2012-08-31T21:49:25 < cjbaird> Continuing the weird dream thread from a few hours ago-- I've just woken up from having one where I'd won a Apple Inc. competition ("What's the hidden message in this new TV commercial.."-- one of the cliff-faces in a beach flyover scene resembled the bitten apple logo), and the Sydney Apple Store tries to dump a whole lot of iProducts on me-- which I didn't want..
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2012-08-31T21:59:04 <+Steffanx> blogging: http://hackaday.com/2012/08/31/preorder-tis-arm-cortex-m4-launchpad-for-5-delivered/ ...
2012-08-31T21:59:18 <+Steffanx> 4.99$ ..
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2012-08-31T22:00:32 <+Steffanx> i guess it's old news :)
2012-08-31T22:00:53 < cjbaird> 256kB flash, 32kb sram? :/
2012-08-31T22:01:07 <+Steffanx> So?
2012-08-31T22:01:33 <+Steffanx> It's also "only" 80MHz
2012-08-31T22:02:26 < cjbaird> So much for my running the 32F4 8-bitter CPU emulator on it..
2012-08-31T22:02:39 < cjbaird> Make them into video generators?
2012-08-31T22:03:27 <+Steffanx> Your emulator is too slow?
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2012-08-31T22:04:12 < cjbaird> Too fast-- it currently runs on a F4-Disco, and sims a ~7.5MHz 6502 :)
2012-08-31T22:04:56 <+Steffanx> The F4 rus at 168MHz?
2012-08-31T22:05:06 < cjbaird> The STM part does, at least.
2012-08-31T22:06:38 <+Steffanx> Who uses your emulator anyway? :P
2012-08-31T22:09:10 < cjbaird> Hey, there's at least two other users. :P
2012-08-31T22:09:46 <+Steffanx> You and you?
2012-08-31T22:09:55 < cjbaird> and me
2012-08-31T22:10:17 <+Steffanx> Can it run the original prince of persia yet? :)
2012-08-31T22:10:20 <+Steffanx> + video
2012-08-31T22:10:58 < cjbaird> It does Pascal!
2012-08-31T22:11:39 <+Steffanx> me
2012-08-31T22:11:40 <+Steffanx> h
2012-08-31T22:11:54 < cjbaird> Seems that Stellaris board can probably do 640x400 VGA bitmap screens. Mite b cool.
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2012-08-31T22:48:29 < jpa-> cjbaird: where would it store them? or generate on the fly?
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2012-08-31T22:52:02 < cjbaird> 32kB would make faux-shift-registering the video doable. I'm thinking for a bitmap display. Certainly a lot better could be done with text-cell.
2012-08-31T22:53:29 < Laurenceb_> zzzz
2012-08-31T22:53:45 < BrainDamage> I think the main issue is yet another set of periferials to interface with
2012-08-31T22:53:46 < Laurenceb_> nothing interesting occurring atm :(
2012-08-31T22:53:47 <+Steffanx> Sleep well
2012-08-31T22:54:16 < Laurenceb_> i wish someone would blow something up or something to liven things up
2012-08-31T22:54:27 <+Steffanx> Uh?
2012-08-31T22:54:48 < cjbaird> another excuse to bash the libopencm3 people for being slack and not serving us Entitled people. :)
2012-08-31T22:57:30 < Laurenceb_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
2012-08-31T22:57:32 < Laurenceb_> pmsl
2012-08-31T22:57:38 < Laurenceb_> so obviously dongs
2012-08-31T22:58:24 < Laurenceb_> Steve: “Eben Upton refused to have deal with Jews” I think I will add some and write a great coverage about the customer service of the director of RP
2012-08-31T22:59:35 < cjbaird> trollberry
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2012-08-31T23:04:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1898#comments
2012-08-31T23:04:17 < Laurenceb_> "We incorporated Raspberry Pi as a charity because doing that gave us leverage to buy components like the BCM2835"
2012-08-31T23:04:22 < Laurenceb_> erm... yeah sure
2012-08-31T23:05:09 <+Steffanx> LOLOL
2012-08-31T23:05:15 <+Steffanx> I'm sure it was dongs
2012-08-31T23:05:25 <+Steffanx> No one else with bring up Jews that easily
2012-08-31T23:06:26 < cjbaird> "that gave us leverage" ... well that's fucking dishonest.
2012-08-31T23:06:38 < Laurenceb_> raspberry pi IS broadcom
2012-08-31T23:07:31 < cjbaird> People like that always destroy non-profit organizations.
2012-08-31T23:08:44 < cjbaird> The UK has something called a C.I.C, which would've been a more ethical and thrustworth choice of organization.
2012-08-31T23:08:57 < cjbaird> ...for this sort of projet
2012-08-31T23:09:43 < Laurenceb_> http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/displayProduct.jsp?sku=1471394&CMP=KNC-GUK-FUK-GEN-LISTINGS&gross_price=true&{copy:mckv}|pcrid|14164337469|kword|{keyword}|match|{matchtype}|plid|{placement}
2012-08-31T23:09:49 < Laurenceb_> not actually an insane price
2012-08-31T23:10:03 < Laurenceb_> also i can measure my manlyness with it
2012-08-31T23:10:28 < cjbaird> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_interest_company
2012-08-31T23:11:50 < cjbaird> This? http://au.element14.com/testo/510/manometer-differential/dp/1471394?Ntt=1471394  (uk site is down for me..)
2012-08-31T23:13:19 < Laurenceb_> yes
2012-08-31T23:13:32 < Laurenceb_> i need one for pitot calibration
2012-08-31T23:13:47 < Laurenceb_> im suprised it has +-3Pa absolute accuracy
2012-08-31T23:13:54 < Laurenceb_> thats quite impressive
2012-08-31T23:15:41 < Laurenceb_> also http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/digital-pressure-meter-accessories/4609869/
2012-08-31T23:15:44 < Laurenceb_> a little large
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2012-08-31T23:37:07 < Laurenceb_> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/ukhas/s_ujqZP4IE8
2012-08-31T23:37:16 < Laurenceb_> anyone else think thats massive overkill?
2012-08-31T23:37:23 < Laurenceb_> just dont write stupid code
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