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Worst thing is that the ARM ISA mnemonics don't really make sense. 2013-05-01T02:13:12 < emeb> so it helps to have a cheat-sheet handy. 2013-05-01T02:14:17 < emeb> but the other thing I found is that it's pretty hard to hand-write code that's significantly better than what GCC churns out. 2013-05-01T02:14:34 < emeb> so end result was "why bother?" 2013-05-01T02:16:53 < dongs> ^ 2013-05-01T02:17:44 < dongs> plus real compilers don't allow inline asm for these kinda reasons anyway 2013-05-01T02:18:04 < Simon--> ^ insufficient skillz 2013-05-01T02:20:10 < dongs> Simon--: shouldnt be you be working on sinedrive for mega8 2013-05-01T02:20:15 < dongs> instead of throwin out insults!!! 2013-05-01T02:20:35 < Simon--> uhh..still trying to find the divide instruction? ;) 2013-05-01T02:20:43 < dongs> haha 2013-05-01T02:21:20 < dongs> bill did precalc of 1024 sines 2013-05-01T02:21:29 < dongs> but that only needs 2k ram 2013-05-01T02:22:01 < dongs> i should try the 3rd harmonic shit 2013-05-01T02:33:14 < Simon--> you might want to test actual output linearity when scaling it to full on/off vs the various dead times and on/off timings. might be worth not turning it all the way on or off, since there's no downside other than resolution loss 2013-05-01T02:39:06 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-01T02:46:02 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-242-38.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-01T02:48:28 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-01T03:01:09 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJFreeman 2013-05-01T03:18:53 -!- Chocobo [~swinchen@pdpc/supporter/student/chocobo] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T03:19:59 < Chocobo> am I missing something or is the SPI clock control pretty coarse.. 5.25 MHz, 10.5 MHz, 21 MHz, etc. I guess I could always drop the APB1 clock freq. 2013-05-01T03:23:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-01T03:24:59 < dongs> yes 2013-05-01T03:25:06 < dongs> if you want to fine-control it 2013-05-01T03:25:09 < dongs> run as SPI slave 2013-05-01T03:25:12 < dongs> and clock from a timer 2013-05-01T03:25:26 < dongs> only works if you just wanna clock shit out, of course. 2013-05-01T03:25:29 < dongs> w/o receive 2013-05-01T03:26:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T03:27:51 < Chocobo> dongs: bummer. :/ I was hoping I was missing something. This is the first thing I haven't loved about the stm32s 2013-05-01T03:28:37 < dongs> why does it matter? 2013-05-01T03:29:42 < Chocobo> dongs: well it stinks when you have an AD rated at 20 MHz SPI clock 2013-05-01T03:30:00 < dongs> im sure it'll run at 21 2013-05-01T03:30:47 < Chocobo> If it doesn't though, taking a hit of 9.5 MHz is pretty rough. 2013-05-01T03:35:57 < dongs> you could probably ghetto it with a timer still 2013-05-01T03:36:04 < dongs> anyway, i dunno 2013-05-01T03:36:15 < dongs> i used timer way for video overlay generation 2013-05-01T03:37:25 < Chocobo> Hmm, well thanks for the suggestion. 2013-05-01T03:38:33 < dongs> i suppose the ADC is also configured via SPI? 2013-05-01T03:38:43 < dongs> i.e. set rate/ wahtever 2013-05-01T03:38:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-05-01T03:38:54 < dongs> or you talking just hypothetical shit 2013-05-01T03:39:43 < dongs> i seem to remember theres a register to swap miso/mosi on F4, so you might be able to hook it up as slave w/timer clocking it for high speed read out and switch to master mode and swap miso/mosi for configuration 2013-05-01T03:40:30 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T03:43:09 < Chocobo> dongs: yes the AD is configured/read over SPI 2013-05-01T03:43:41 < Chocobo> I may just avoid the issue by going with a parallel AD. I have the pins to spare. 2013-05-01T03:44:03 < dongs> it'll be faster, too. 2013-05-01T03:46:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@71-92-66-171.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T03:46:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@71-92-66-171.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-01T03:46:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T03:48:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-01T03:58:25 < Chocobo> indeed 2013-05-01T04:01:44 -!- tlst [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T04:05:24 -!- inca [~inca@69.54.61.34] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T04:13:29 < gxti> looking for a new rtos for stm32f107 with ethernet, permissive license required. what else is interesting besides coos? 2013-05-01T04:13:48 < gxti> doesn't have to implement ethernet, i'm fine with just a kernel, but bonus points if it does 2013-05-01T04:20:53 -!- inca [~inca@69.54.61.34] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 2013-05-01T04:21:23 < gxti> embox, tnkernel, nuttx (lol?) and contiki look vaguely interesting 2013-05-01T04:21:32 < dongs> lol @ lol after nuttx 2013-05-01T04:23:45 < gxti> looks like it does some stuff i could make use of but seems like it's gonna be fat 2013-05-01T04:24:39 < dongs> you get a full lunix shell with that shit 2013-05-01T04:24:42 < dongs> and /dev/dongs 2013-05-01T04:24:47 < dongs> and I heard everything there is a file 2013-05-01T04:24:53 < gxti> terrifying 2013-05-01T04:24:57 < dongs> so you can like fopen("/dev/adc" and read shit from it 2013-05-01T04:53:44 < Chocobo> I like ChibiOS. Not sure if it supports the f107, but porting should be easy. 2013-05-01T04:54:00 < gxti> i'm using it now, it's not permissively licensed 2013-05-01T04:54:07 < gxti> modified GPL bad, BSD good 2013-05-01T04:54:33 < dongs> BSDONGS 2013-05-01T04:54:43 < dongs> WTFPL best 2013-05-01T04:55:12 < gxti> contiki looks interesting, don't care about internet-of-things circlejerk but it means it already has a network stack 2013-05-01T04:55:37 < dongs> wasnt contiki some trash for C64 2013-05-01T04:55:41 < dongs> or did they just reuse the name 2013-05-01T04:55:56 < gxti> shrug 2013-05-01T04:56:29 < gxti> it's for wireless sensor networks n stuff, 6lowpan etc 2013-05-01T04:59:04 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-05-01T04:59:28 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T04:59:37 < gxti> reblogging http://i.imgur.com/drHLU2k.jpg 2013-05-01T05:00:35 < dongs> what the christ is this 2013-05-01T05:00:41 < dongs> web 2.0 checkout station? 2013-05-01T05:01:11 < dongs> there's no fucking way a dedicated pos box costs more than 3 jewphones and a jewpad 2013-05-01T05:01:34 < gxti> in parts no, in cost paid to the vendor yes 2013-05-01T05:01:43 < dongs> bullshit 2013-05-01T05:02:46 < dongs> http://www.staples.com/office/supplies/StaplesCategoryDisplay?storeId=10001&identifier=CL167353&catalogIdentifier=2&langId=-1&ddkey=http:StaplesZipCodeAdd 2013-05-01T05:02:49 < dongs> and I didnt even look around 2013-05-01T05:02:57 < dongs> everything < $1500 on that list 2013-05-01T05:03:19 < dongs> jewpad, $500-600? 2x jewphones, $400/ea? or wahtever the fuck shit runs now 2013-05-01T05:03:31 < dongs> plus im sure theyve got some overpriced scanner dongle for it 2013-05-01T05:03:42 < gxti> i'm assuming they're ipod touch, not iphone 2013-05-01T05:03:55 < gxti> because even someone who would do this is not THAT stupid. maybe. 2013-05-01T05:05:38 < gxti> those look pretty shitty, i think i'd actually rather have an ipad 2013-05-01T05:06:25 < gxti> no telling how robust they are, probably a few aren't total crap 2013-05-01T05:07:38 < dongs> i wrote some POS shit in .NUT back when 1.0 just came out 2013-05-01T05:08:03 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-05-01T05:08:16 < dongs> some of the UI concepts the dudes did were really nice for quickly ordering stuff 2013-05-01T05:08:17 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T05:08:33 < dongs> this was some restaurant shit so no scanning of crap 2013-05-01T05:08:48 < emeb_mac> yeah - I was at a restaurant a few months ago where the whole thing was running on iPads. Was pretty annoying. 2013-05-01T05:09:23 < dongs> i think if I wentr to restaurant and the waiter had jewpad i would walk the fuck out 2013-05-01T05:09:33 < dongs> and be liek, im never coming back here again, fuckas 2013-05-01T05:30:13 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-05-01T05:31:47 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T05:36:53 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T05:40:56 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-05-01T05:44:48 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T05:46:00 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 2013-05-01T05:49:21 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-01T05:51:12 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T05:56:35 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-05-01T05:59:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-05-01T06:07:09 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:07:54 -!- flop|2 [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:08:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:08:26 -!- flop [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T06:09:03 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@c-66-56-61-178.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:09:50 -!- flop|2 [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2013-05-01T06:12:50 -!- l4cr0ss_ [~lacro$$@173.208.81.19] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:13:43 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-05-01T06:15:38 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-188-68.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:15:43 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@c-66-56-61-178.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-05-01T06:15:44 -!- l4cr0ss_ is now known as l4cr0ss 2013-05-01T06:18:12 -!- l4cr0ss_ [~lacro$$@c-66-56-61-178.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:18:18 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:19:59 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@173.208.81.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T06:19:59 -!- l4cr0ss_ is now known as l4cr0ss 2013-05-01T06:26:49 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-05-01T06:37:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-05-01T06:37:16 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:41:12 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@c-66-56-61-178.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-01T06:41:12 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:43:40 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has quit [Quit: l4cr0ss] 2013-05-01T06:43:51 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:44:19 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-01T06:44:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:45:00 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:53:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@71-92-66-171.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:53:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@71-92-66-171.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-01T06:53:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T06:56:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-01T06:58:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T07:07:05 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T07:23:00 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-01T07:27:16 -!- flop|2 [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T07:33:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-05-01T07:52:44 < flop|2> is the black magic probe open hardware? 2013-05-01T07:53:47 < dongs> pretty sure it is 2013-05-01T07:53:56 < dongs> ecause some dudedes in here cloned the pcb 2013-05-01T07:53:59 < dongs> so at leats schematic is available 2013-05-01T07:54:25 < dongs> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bmp2/index.html 2013-05-01T07:54:26 < dongs> i.e. this 2013-05-01T07:54:54 < flop|2> cool! 2013-05-01T07:55:15 < flop|2> actually it looks pretty simple 2013-05-01T07:55:19 < dongs> it is 2013-05-01T07:55:26 < dongs> its just power/crap needed for stm32 2013-05-01T07:55:28 < dongs> nothing special 2013-05-01T07:57:12 < flop|2> I guess I can just use my discovery board to do the same thing 2013-05-01T07:57:37 < dongs> theres people doing just there 2013-05-01T07:57:39 < dongs> er just that 2013-05-01T07:57:48 < dongs> i believe theres a build option for bmp firmware 2013-05-01T07:57:56 < dongs> that you can flash over the stlink 2013-05-01T07:58:03 < dongs> so the stlink part of discovery becomes bmp 2013-05-01T07:58:54 -!- Bird|lappy [~Bird|ub3r@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-01T08:01:06 -!- tlst [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2013-05-01T08:07:59 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-128-46-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T08:08:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-05-01T08:08:28 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has quit [Quit: l4cr0ss] 2013-05-01T08:12:14 -!- Jenev [~someone@207.191.240.19] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-05-01T08:14:02 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-128-46-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-01T08:19:47 < PaulFertser> flop|2: yep, just read the README and use "make PROBE_HOST=stlink" 2013-05-01T08:20:22 < flop|2> where do I find the readme exactly? 2013-05-01T08:21:51 < flop|2> wait, I meant to use the mcu part of the discovery board, not the built-in stlink 2013-05-01T08:22:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T08:23:17 < dongs> you could probly do that too 2013-05-01T08:23:21 < dongs> just moar work 2013-05-01T08:26:22 < PaulFertser> flop|2: clone Garreth's repo from github, the README is in here. 2013-05-01T09:00:27 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T09:05:02 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/iM5HIH8.jpg 2013-05-01T09:10:02 < talsit> are all those things passives? 2013-05-01T09:10:12 < R2COM> which things 2013-05-01T09:10:20 < talsit> around the main chip 2013-05-01T09:10:24 < R2COM> yes 2013-05-01T09:10:25 < talsit> yellow pads 2013-05-01T09:10:35 < talsit> what is that board for? 2013-05-01T09:10:45 < R2COM> just some test board for some asic 2013-05-01T09:11:07 < R2COM> not complete yet.. 2013-05-01T09:11:14 < talsit> cool 2013-05-01T09:11:22 < talsit> "some asic"?? which? 2013-05-01T09:11:28 < R2COM> custom 2013-05-01T09:11:51 < talsit> awesome 2013-05-01T09:11:54 < talsit> and scary 2013-05-01T09:12:48 < R2COM> it doesnt do much, just to characterize more specific process, its pin parasitics, its ring frequency and behavior, and to test some of the high speed digital buffers which i designed on chip 2013-05-01T09:13:23 < R2COM> so it has many different test fixtures for each pin, and each pin is being probed outside on a test board 2013-05-01T09:14:02 < talsit> yeah, custom ASIC is kinda scary in itself 2013-05-01T09:14:14 < talsit> it doesn't sound like a cheap or quick thing 2013-05-01T09:16:37 < R2COM> asic was relatively fast to design, since those are just some test fixtures and digital buffers (its not that hard to design digital buffers ), but design of its internal frame took a while to figure out (including arrangement of ESD protection circuitry) 2013-05-01T09:17:07 < R2COM> and board... took a while to arrange too, but not much of a big deal. just need to delay-tune some IO's and frame it, and thats it 2013-05-01T09:17:12 -!- flop [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T09:17:28 < talsit> you make it sound so easy i could do it! 2013-05-01T09:17:44 -!- HTT-Bird [~Birdz0r@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-05-01T09:17:47 -!- flop|2 [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T09:20:34 < R2COM> 80$ for PCB components (excluding the test chip of course LoL) 2013-05-01T09:23:05 < talsit> how does an ASIC take to fab? 2013-05-01T09:23:18 < R2COM> yes 2013-05-01T09:23:44 < talsit> "yes"? lol 2013-05-01T09:24:50 < R2COM> I didnt get what you mean? 2013-05-01T09:25:24 < talsit> oh, i accidently a word 2013-05-01T09:25:28 < talsit> how LONG does... 2013-05-01T09:26:16 < R2COM> 2 months or so, but it actually depends 2013-05-01T09:26:30 < talsit> i would so suck at that :) 2013-05-01T09:36:41 -!- flop [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T09:37:19 -!- flop [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T09:48:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-05-01T09:59:25 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-212-201-79-224.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T10:26:01 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-01T10:30:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.239.81] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T10:34:16 -!- claude_ [~quassel@HSI-KBW-109-192-173-054.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T10:58:50 < qyx_> gxti: just few bytes 2013-05-01T11:14:07 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T11:21:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-05-01T11:22:04 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T11:26:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T11:30:39 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@202-159-136-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2013-05-01T11:33:56 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T11:36:31 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@202-159-136-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T11:36:32 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@202-159-136-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-05-01T11:36:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T11:37:25 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@202-159-136-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T11:41:17 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T11:48:07 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T11:55:06 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-188-68.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2013-05-01T11:57:30 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-188-68.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T11:59:51 -!- vpopov [~happylife@37-147-202-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:05:25 -!- capacitor [7bf38bbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.187] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:06:39 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@145.97.141.30] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:06:39 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@145.97.141.30] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-01T12:06:39 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:06:42 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-05-01T12:06:47 < capacitor> welcome Steffanx 2013-05-01T12:07:13 <+Steffanx> Always 2013-05-01T12:07:39 < jpa-> hi steffie 2013-05-01T12:10:58 < Erlkoenig> Steffanx: re from Eindhoven: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/316030_567419009968839_1715383444_n.jpg 2013-05-01T12:11:14 <+Steffanx> :) 2013-05-01T12:11:19 < capacitor> that's an odd approach to driving a car 2013-05-01T12:11:20 <+Steffanx> I could've been anywhere 2013-05-01T12:11:34 <+Steffanx> *it 2013-05-01T12:12:24 < Erlkoenig> yup but was in eindhoven :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KlfwTMiigg8 2013-05-01T12:15:08 <+Steffanx> nice car btw 2013-05-01T12:15:51 < Erlkoenig> oh yeah :D 2013-05-01T12:17:22 < Erlkoenig> the car from Delft uses an NXP Cortex-M3 to do Torque Vectoring and someday for Traction Control. They have 4 Motors 2013-05-01T12:20:41 <+Steffanx> and it didnt work 2013-05-01T12:21:09 < Erlkoenig> its acceleration was better then all other cars... but they broke their drive shaft 2013-05-01T12:21:21 < Erlkoenig> the got overall 3rd place 2013-05-01T12:25:16 < capacitor> I'm never going to drink again 2013-05-01T12:27:28 < Erlkoenig> that's what they all say :D 2013-05-01T12:30:29 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-01T12:31:39 -!- talsit is now known as tlst 2013-05-01T12:32:08 < capacitor> i hope Tectu comes on later 2013-05-01T12:32:21 * Tectu is here 2013-05-01T12:32:29 < Tectu> but I am just about to leave for a shower 2013-05-01T12:32:54 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@145.97.141.30] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:32:54 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@145.97.141.30] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-01T12:32:54 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:32:57 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-05-01T12:34:25 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:37:48 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-01T12:38:41 -!- BJFreeman [~bjfree@132.sub-75-196-121.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-05-01T12:39:11 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-01T12:40:05 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T12:40:24 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@132.sub-75-196-121.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:41:16 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJFreeman 2013-05-01T12:41:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:44:47 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T12:45:06 -!- capacitor [7bf38bbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.187] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-01T12:47:35 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T13:02:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-01T13:38:49 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T13:40:04 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T13:40:56 -!- tlst is now known as talsit 2013-05-01T13:48:41 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T13:50:04 -!- chato [~chato@82.161.254.109] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T13:50:31 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T14:03:14 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-05-01T14:03:41 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T14:09:14 -!- chato [~chato@82.161.254.109] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2013-05-01T14:11:26 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-01T14:12:23 -!- UweBonnes [~bon@p5DDCD612.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T14:14:11 -!- vpopov [~happylife@37-147-202-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-01T14:14:41 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: and like that, he's gone] 2013-05-01T14:22:38 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T14:24:19 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T14:27:59 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@145.97.141.30] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T14:27:59 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@145.97.141.30] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-01T14:27:59 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T14:28:02 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-05-01T14:32:30 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-01T14:33:19 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: zzzzZZzzz] 2013-05-01T14:33:46 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T14:38:29 < dongs> [14:08] http://www.tarduino.cc/2013/04/ipad-3-retina-display-adapter-to.html 2013-05-01T14:38:32 < dongs> [14:14] Laurenceb: the guy that writes that blog sure has a chip on his shoulder :) 2013-05-01T14:38:35 < dongs> haha 2013-05-01T14:39:05 < dongs> #highaltitude is like Laurenceb's #stm32-crap 2013-05-01T14:39:18 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-01T14:40:41 < Laurenceb> you have found the logs? 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2013-05-01T15:14:30 < dongs> like 50-60bucks? 2013-05-01T15:14:31 < dongs> +- 2013-05-01T15:14:36 < Laurenceb> lurn 2 read 2013-05-01T15:14:44 < dongs> that too 2013-05-01T15:16:16 < Robint91> Laurenceb, It doesn't tell in the post 2013-05-01T15:16:20 < Laurenceb> ok 2013-05-01T15:16:23 < Robint91> only the 30$ RPI 2013-05-01T15:20:42 -!- tlst [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T15:25:59 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T15:27:48 -!- phantoxeD [~destroy@a95-92-85-217.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-01T15:29:36 < Posterdati> hi 2013-05-01T15:30:01 < Posterdati> is openocd working with stm32f3 discovery board and mcu? 2013-05-01T15:59:24 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T16:18:10 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host183-239-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-05-01T16:19:33 -!- Mobyfab [Mobyfab@2a01:e35:8a10:c580:cc1f:f297:591f:8c39] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T16:23:02 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T16:27:49 -!- rigid [~rigid@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T16:28:15 < rigid> i just can't get this GLCD to run :-/ 2013-05-01T16:28:43 < rigid> anyone ever used a EA DIP122-5NLED? 2013-05-01T16:28:51 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host183-239-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T16:29:01 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.132] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T16:29:36 -!- HTT-Bird [~Birdz0r@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-05-01T16:29:51 < rigid> the datasheet is ambigous... some versions use the PT6520 controller, some use the SED1520 appearantly 2013-05-01T16:30:23 < rigid> (i'm not expecting help, just came here to whine a bit to ease my frustration :) 2013-05-01T16:34:14 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-01T16:39:36 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-01T16:42:06 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T16:43:40 -!- HTT-Bird [~Birdz0r@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T16:49:12 -!- phantoxeD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T16:52:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2013-05-01T16:57:31 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-01T16:58:43 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T17:04:33 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-188-68.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2013-05-01T17:19:58 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-242-38.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T17:25:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@71-92-66-171.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T17:25:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@71-92-66-171.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-01T17:25:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T17:27:56 -!- vpopov [~happylife@37-147-202-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T17:39:26 < Laurenceb> asked for help on #octave 2013-05-01T17:39:36 < Laurenceb> Seriously, I don't see how any monetary amount is impossible to pay for fixing a small bug. I asked for 25 CAD. Is that too much? 2013-05-01T17:39:36 < Laurenceb> Is the problem the transaction cost? Let's barter, then. You got some interesting music? 2013-05-01T17:43:21 < Erlkoenig> i think that's called paid support ^.^ 2013-05-01T17:45:21 < BrainDamage> I don't see that being too wrong 2013-05-01T17:45:32 < BrainDamage> people contribute for free, but work on shit they like 2013-05-01T17:45:46 < BrainDamage> I guess depends how much strict he is on getting the task done 2013-05-01T17:45:48 < zyp> I'd have to be paid well if I were to support Laurenceb 2013-05-01T17:48:51 < jpa-> indeed 2013-05-01T17:49:23 < jpa-> and if it is a small bug, why doesn't Laurenceb fix it himself? 2013-05-01T17:50:17 < dongs> sup bloggers 2013-05-01T17:50:27 < jpa-> dongs 2013-05-01T17:54:09 < Erlkoenig> because he doesn't have write access to their web server 2013-05-01T17:54:19 < dongs> sup 2013-05-01T17:54:55 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-05-01T18:00:40 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T18:09:32 < inca> why can't the STLink/V2 hardware do faster than 1 MHz JTAG/SWD? 2013-05-01T18:11:18 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T18:11:28 < dongs> inca: probably license restriction 2013-05-01T18:11:40 < dongs> my chianclone ulink2 / jlink can do 10mhz 2013-05-01T18:12:04 < R2COM> by the way using those "clone" thingys considered illegal right? 2013-05-01T18:12:23 < dongs> well, i now have a legit ulink2/me 2013-05-01T18:12:26 < dongs> tahnks to zyp 2013-05-01T18:12:29 < dongs> and it also does 10mhz. 2013-05-01T18:12:37 < dongs> and my jlink clone got blacklisted and trashed 2013-05-01T18:12:44 < dongs> so you could say im fully legit now. 2013-05-01T18:12:47 < inca> I don't understand 2013-05-01T18:12:56 < R2COM> well... I mean that programmer costs like 200$ or something not that big of a deal actually 2013-05-01T18:13:03 < dongs> yeah. 2013-05-01T18:13:03 < R2COM> as far as I saw from some of their websites 2013-05-01T18:13:28 < inca> what are you talking about? 2013-05-01T18:13:32 < inca> and why do I care? 2013-05-01T18:13:36 < R2COM> and for 200$ or something, it can program nearly any chip 2013-05-01T18:14:22 < inca> is this about counterfeit electronics? 2013-05-01T18:14:32 < inca> who do you have to license to make JTAG work? 2013-05-01T18:15:24 < UweBonnes> Implementing something usfule via JTAG is for sure licensable. 2013-05-01T18:15:41 < Laurenceb> cuz saint stallman hasnt saved you yet inca 2013-05-01T18:16:00 < Laurenceb> wait wtf 2013-05-01T18:16:02 < Laurenceb> http://stallman.org/saint.html 2013-05-01T18:16:23 < Laurenceb> he is self trolling beyond the best of my troll skillz 2013-05-01T18:17:28 < inca> Laurenceb: =) 2013-05-01T18:17:30 < Laurenceb> i'd think that was a troll.. but url suggests not 2013-05-01T18:18:21 < inca> R2COM. dongs, I don't understand what you were talking about. Blacklisted? Where is this blacklist? Is it based on who pays some organization a fee so that we can set out clock rates appropriately? 2013-05-01T18:19:10 < R2COM> I dont know, all I know is if you buy directly from jlink or something you are good. I'm not much into licensing shit. 2013-05-01T18:20:04 < inca> R2COM: that sounds like a good scam 2013-05-01T18:20:26 < inca> nobody is "authentic" unless you shell out cash to the established players… I like it 2013-05-01T18:20:48 < inca> where do I sign up? 2013-05-01T18:20:49 < talsit> that's kinda how licensing works 2013-05-01T18:21:14 < gxti> if you can't get people to buy your shit why make it? 2013-05-01T18:21:24 < UweBonnes> inca: There are a lot of JLINK clones that try to load original JLINK software. Keil explicit requests a serial number when downloading or acceptance toi use the software only on originla parts 2013-05-01T18:22:14 < inca> UweBonnes: it's a great excuse for KEIL to not innovate… just license it 2013-05-01T18:22:14 < gxti> that's what you get when you pay thousands of dollars for a toolchain. it breaks when you use it with certain hardware! yay. 2013-05-01T18:22:32 < inca> but then, there's always support 2013-05-01T18:22:42 < inca> welcome to the horror show 2013-05-01T18:22:58 < UweBonnes> inca: It's there design and theri software, why do you think they don't innovate? 2013-05-01T18:23:55 < inca> UweBonnes: from my perspective, licensing is the excuse to innovate slower than your competitor can imitate 2013-05-01T18:24:09 < inca> government-enforced excuse* 2013-05-01T18:24:52 < UweBonnes> The "competitor" cloned the design and the loader software. Where do they innovate? 2013-05-01T18:24:54 < talsit> or to increase innovation by avoiding effort on the boring and mundane stuff and concentrating on the better stuff 2013-05-01T18:25:08 < inca> talsit: correct! 2013-05-01T18:25:14 < talsit> seriously, what's to innovate in SWD? 2013-05-01T18:25:43 < talsit> i'd rather have better chips/toolchains than yet another method of accessing a chip 2013-05-01T18:25:59 < inca> UweBonnes: that's exactly right, their innovation is in the production of something which already exists... 2013-05-01T18:26:12 < inca> for cheaper than its original 2013-05-01T18:27:17 < inca> do I want KEIL breaking down doors to pay licensing fees on stuff which already exists, or do I want them innovating an IDE of less sadness for current and future ARM hardware? 2013-05-01T18:27:41 < inca> =) 2013-05-01T18:27:56 < inca> let the debugger and tools for development become commodity 2013-05-01T18:28:14 < inca> especially if they already are commodity parts 2013-05-01T18:29:00 < inca> that being said, I'm probably about to buy a J/Link as a reference design in hacking STLink/V2 BMP stuff 2013-05-01T18:29:23 < talsit> i like my segger jlink 2013-05-01T18:29:33 < talsit> i didn't pay for it, i got work to buy it for me! 2013-05-01T18:29:58 < inca> talsit: I might put it on my next invoice 2013-05-01T18:30:17 < talsit> it has hardly anything inside (yes, i pulled it apart) 2013-05-01T18:30:31 < inca> talsit: I was just looking for a teardown 2013-05-01T18:30:35 < inca> what's the brain? 2013-05-01T18:30:43 < talsit> lemme pull up the photo 2013-05-01T18:31:43 < UweBonnes> Keil licensed their JLINK design, and e.g. the EFM demo boards have a JLINK licensed clone on it. 2013-05-01T18:31:56 < talsit> atmel AT91SAM7S64/AU 2013-05-01T18:31:57 < UweBonnes> I think the uC is a STM32 too. 2013-05-01T18:32:09 < inca> talsit: interesting 2013-05-01T18:32:30 < inca> UweBonnes: so what is the difference, hardware-wise between JLINK and STLink? 2013-05-01T18:32:36 < UweBonnes> Atmel used their SAM4 chip as a licends JLINK cone 2013-05-01T18:33:08 < talsit> a 18.432MHz crystal 2013-05-01T18:33:42 < talsit> and 2 shifters 2013-05-01T18:33:56 < talsit> (and a few passives and whatnot 2013-05-01T18:36:16 < inca> talsit: next step-> http://www.segger.com/cms/j-trace-for-cortex-m.html 2013-05-01T18:36:39 < inca> and then… http://www.segger.com/cms/j-trace-arm.html 2013-05-01T18:37:51 < inca> all over USB? hmm… maybe OLS + BMP could do this 2013-05-01T18:38:11 < talsit> what's all this talk of the BMP? 2013-05-01T18:38:15 < talsit> what's so special about it? 2013-05-01T18:39:50 < inca> talsit: in the OpenSores (citation: dongs) world, it is the open source SWD/JTAG debugger that runs on an embedded target, not the host. 2013-05-01T18:39:54 < UweBonnes> inca: To my knowledge, there is no free implemenation for pararller trace yet. 2013-05-01T18:40:20 < talsit> OpenSores? 2013-05-01T18:40:27 < inca> so your GDB appears as a serial port, just like for debugging kernels on PCs 2013-05-01T18:40:44 < dongs> anyhow, cmsis-dap is released and keil supports it 2013-05-01T18:40:45 < inca> talsit: euphemism for mess 2013-05-01T18:40:50 < dongs> so thats an open implementation 2013-05-01T18:41:00 < inca> right 2013-05-01T18:41:01 < dongs> crossworks added support for it too i believe. 2013-05-01T18:41:08 < dongs> so as long as most major vendors will do it, its a nonissue 2013-05-01T18:41:22 < dongs> latest firmware update for ulink also has a switch to put it into cmsis-dap mode 2013-05-01T18:42:51 < UweBonnes> For example, if you rework a f4 discovery board to put BMP on the STLink, you can debug the F4 and off board chips even if they are not STM32. And with the UART connection added, you also have a IO channel to the host. 2013-05-01T18:43:05 -!- UweBonnes [~bon@p5DDCD612.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: epic+tkirc2] 2013-05-01T18:43:15 < dongs> the only problem with that is 2013-05-01T18:43:27 < dongs> the only thing supporting that is gdb 2013-05-01T18:44:28 < inca> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/dapdebug/dapdebug_introduction.htm 2013-05-01T18:45:04 < dongs> yea 2013-05-01T18:45:55 < inca> USB HID debugging 2013-05-01T18:45:57 < inca> brilliant 2013-05-01T18:46:03 < dongs> yep 2013-05-01T18:46:15 < inca> bye bye JTAG/SWD 2013-05-01T18:46:20 < dongs> no special driver needed etc. 2013-05-01T18:46:22 < inca> (connectors) 2013-05-01T18:46:26 < dongs> wat no 2013-05-01T18:46:37 < inca> oh wait 2013-05-01T18:46:39 < inca> host side 2013-05-01T18:46:41 < inca> nevermind! 2013-05-01T18:48:00 < ntfreak_> OpenOCD CMSIS-DAP support, very alpha - https://github.com/TheShed/OpenOCD-CMSIS-DAP 2013-05-01T18:48:35 < inca> ntfreak_: I just saw that. have you played with it? 2013-05-01T18:49:48 < ntfreak_> a bit, need to merge with what i was working on - http://repo.or.cz/w/openocd/ntfreak.git/shortlog/refs/heads/cmsis-dap 2013-05-01T18:49:48 < ntfreak_> simply my version uses HIDAPI to make it cross platform 2013-05-01T18:50:44 < ntfreak_> all still very much work in progress, available free time has slowed the port down 2013-05-01T18:51:05 < inca> ntfreak_: it is hard to prioritize, I imagine. 2013-05-01T18:52:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-05-01T18:52:59 < ntfreak_> indeed, hoping to get back on it in a few weeks - volunteers always welcome :) 2013-05-01T18:53:18 < Laurenceb> wait.. 2013-05-01T18:53:24 < Laurenceb> is cmsis-dap opensource? 2013-05-01T18:53:37 < Laurenceb> could i flash it to a BMP ? 2013-05-01T18:53:39 < dongs> yes 2013-05-01T18:53:46 < Laurenceb> oh cool 2013-05-01T18:53:50 < dongs> dunno about latter 2013-05-01T18:53:51 < dongs> but its opensores 2013-05-01T18:54:00 < dongs> you can download the reference thing off arm.com 2013-05-01T18:54:05 < inca> ntfreak_: I am still scared of OpenOCD. The config files still give me anxiety… never really got a grasp on them 2013-05-01T18:54:18 < Laurenceb> yeah its way overcomplex 2013-05-01T18:54:31 < Laurenceb> http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/13/05/01/1445203/openbsd-53-released 2013-05-01T18:54:32 < inca> Laurenceb: http://mbed.org/handbook/CMSIS-DAP 2013-05-01T18:54:33 < Laurenceb> attn dongs 2013-05-01T18:56:03 < inca> Is the CMSIS-DAP irrelevant to BMP because it already serves up information over USB CDC serial? 2013-05-01T18:57:11 < ntfreak_> openocd -f board/stm32f4discovery.cfg does not seem to hard, worse case only two configs are required, one for target one for adapter 2013-05-01T18:57:52 < inca> ntfreak_: yes, but that does not explain what each command does within each file and what all the options are and their use-cases 2013-05-01T18:58:05 < ntfreak_> inca: CMSIS-DAP could ba adapted for BMP, that way it could be used in other tools including commercial 2013-05-01T18:59:12 < ntfreak_> inca: http://openocd.sourceforge.net/doc/pdf/openocd.pdf is the user guide 2013-05-01T18:59:32 < inca> ntfreak_: I manually expanded the included files into a giant config file, read all the docs on the commands to understand each one, but it never really ended up working reliably. definitely my own fault, but there is a lot of complexity that is hard to understand coming fresh off a boat 2013-05-01T18:59:43 < inca> I've read that, believe it or not =) 2013-05-01T18:59:57 < ntfreak_> it s shame they used HID for CMSIS-DAP but oh well 2013-05-01T19:00:21 < inca> ntfreak_: it's the only one that automatically enumerates on windows 2013-05-01T19:00:30 < inca> everything else needs a driver installed 2013-05-01T19:01:45 < ntfreak_> thats no excuse, win8 can also do that if i recall 2013-05-01T19:02:10 < inca> =) 2013-05-01T19:02:42 < inca> ntfreak_: what would have to be done to adapt CMSIS-DAP to BMP? 2013-05-01T19:03:03 < inca> interesting… https://github.com/x893/CMSIS-DAP 2013-05-01T19:06:40 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so they get pre-release stuff, right? 2013-05-01T19:19:08 < ntfreak_> mbed are owned by arm 2013-05-01T19:20:00 < inca> fair enough… why LPC only? 2013-05-01T19:21:23 < inca> I guess you have to scope yourself somehow, if you want to stay sane 2013-05-01T19:21:24 < ntfreak_> some tie up with nxp, they also did a stm32 version but never got released 2013-05-01T19:25:58 < inca> gsmcmullin: ping. regarding CMSIS-DAP, see above ^^^ 2013-05-01T19:28:11 < TitanMKD> gsmcmullin i have received my LINK2 with LPC4370 on it for CMSIS-DAP ;) 2013-05-01T19:28:41 < TitanMKD> gsmcmullin I will update libopencm3 for it when official datasheet for LPC4370 will be available 2013-05-01T19:29:35 < TitanMKD> just one word LPC4370 seems amazing TriCore + lot of impressive features ;) 2013-05-01T19:29:48 < TitanMKD> just a must for tons of stuff 2013-05-01T19:31:25 < Laurenceb> http://www.nxp.com/search?q=+lpc4370&type=keyword&rows=10 2013-05-01T19:32:51 <+Steffanx> Yeah, what is this LPC4370 mr TitanMKD ? 2013-05-01T19:34:08 < Robint91> TitanMKD, TriCORE o_O 2013-05-01T19:35:17 < TitanMKD> Steffanx a special LPC43 ;) 2013-05-01T19:35:31 < TitanMKD> Steffanx it seems NXP does not want to tell what is inside 2013-05-01T19:35:32 < jpa-> multicore MCU's have always seemed a bit weird to me 2013-05-01T19:35:36 < TitanMKD> maybe next week 2013-05-01T19:35:46 <+Steffanx> and how you know this TitanMKD ? 2013-05-01T19:35:56 < TitanMKD> Steffanx because i search on Internet ;) 2013-05-01T19:36:05 < TitanMKD> And i bought Link2 @ Embedded Artists ;) 2013-05-01T19:36:06 <+Steffanx> and you trust your sources? 2013-05-01T19:36:14 < TitanMKD> Steffanx I have it in my hand ;) 2013-05-01T19:36:20 <+Steffanx> The LPC4370? 2013-05-01T19:36:23 < TitanMKD> yes 2013-05-01T19:36:27 < TitanMKD> LPC4370FET100 2013-05-01T19:36:33 < TitanMKD> i have 3 boards 2013-05-01T19:36:46 < TitanMKD> they are more than just debugger ;) 2013-05-01T19:37:03 < TitanMKD> with extension on all available pins and especially Digital + Analog 2013-05-01T19:37:10 <+Steffanx> oh 2013-05-01T19:37:22 < TitanMKD> with SPIFI also ;) 2013-05-01T19:37:49 < TitanMKD> LPC4370 is flashless version with probably 236KB or more SRAM 2013-05-01T19:38:00 < TitanMKD> i think more ram for the 3 Cores ;) 2013-05-01T19:38:01 < zyp> TitanMKD, so, where did you get it from? 2013-05-01T19:38:11 < TitanMKD> zyp embedded artists for 15euros 1 board 2013-05-01T19:38:18 < TitanMKD> in USPS i received them in 2 days 2013-05-01T19:38:21 < zyp> link? 2013-05-01T19:38:40 < TitanMKD> http://www.embeddedartists.com/products/lpcxpresso/lpclink2.php 2013-05-01T19:38:42 < TitanMKD> there 2013-05-01T19:38:54 < TitanMKD> they are available with a chipset UNKNOWN ;) 2013-05-01T19:39:18 < TitanMKD> even on the video they do not speak about the LPC4370 it is funny ;) 2013-05-01T19:39:22 <+Steffanx> yay 2013-05-01T19:39:40 < TitanMKD> i will dump the ROM to know more about it 2013-05-01T19:39:43 <+Steffanx> nxp = weird 2013-05-01T19:39:46 < TitanMKD> to compare with LPC4330 2013-05-01T19:40:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T19:40:48 < TitanMKD> on forum everyone speak about Tri COre as M4 + 2xM0 2013-05-01T19:40:59 < TitanMKD> the must will be M4 & 2xM0+ 2013-05-01T19:41:08 < TitanMKD> M0+ are really a must 2013-05-01T19:41:26 < TitanMKD> and Tri Core is officially leaked by RedCode ;) 2013-05-01T19:41:45 < TitanMKD> there http://support.code-red-tech.com/CodeRedWiki/NewInVersion5?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Red_Suite_5_Getting_Started.pdf 2013-05-01T19:42:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-01T19:42:13 < Robint91> TitanMKD, how do you work with those 2013-05-01T19:42:13 < TitanMKD> Supported Multicore MCUs 2013-05-01T19:42:13 < TitanMKD> include the Dual Core LPC43xx or Triple Core LPC437x parts. 2013-05-01T19:42:39 < TitanMKD> Robint91 I'm waiting the datasheet to really work with it ;) 2013-05-01T19:42:50 -!- 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TitanMKD> zyp also the SGPIO will be magic ;) 2013-05-01T19:45:58 < TitanMKD> let's debug one with an other ;) 2013-05-01T19:46:06 < TitanMKD> to check the boot 2013-05-01T19:46:43 < Robint91> what is the SGPIO? 2013-05-01T19:47:16 < TitanMKD> Robint91 Special GPIO programable like FPGA logic with slices ... 2013-05-01T19:48:02 < TitanMKD> Robint91 you configure them for example to read QuadSPIFI or other strange parallel Bus ... 2013-05-01T19:48:23 < TitanMKD> Robint91 the must is for logic analyzer or pattern generator 2013-05-01T19:48:43 < Robint91> nice 2013-05-01T19:48:58 < TitanMKD> Robint91 i have a pattern generator running at 102MHz on 16 GPIO with on each GPIO a different freq 2013-05-01T19:50:05 < TitanMKD> Robint91 you can look the results here https://github.com/TitanMKD/hackrf/blob/master/doc/LPC4330_SGPIO_SignalGenerator_Measurements.pdf 2013-05-01T19:52:35 < Robint91> TitanMKD, nice, but some over and undershoot 2013-05-01T19:52:57 < TitanMKD> yes maybe it is fixed on new LPC4370 :) 2013-05-01T19:53:20 < TitanMKD> it was the drawback huge overshoot/undershoot for an expected output of 0 to 3.3V 2013-05-01T19:53:52 < TitanMKD> it reach in fact up to 5V but on very short time and also because of my scope ;) 2013-05-01T19:56:29 < TitanMKD> hehe let's dump LPC4370 ROM 2013-05-01T19:56:50 < TitanMKD> i have connected 2 LPC LINK2 together one as target and the other as debugger 2013-05-01T19:58:16 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-01T19:58:34 < TitanMKD> fine LPCXpresso latest version leaks info on LPC4370 target ;) 2013-05-01T19:58:53 < TitanMKD> there's LPC4370 & M0 and also LPC4371/M0 2013-05-01T19:59:26 < TitanMKD> ha yes for LPC4370 there is 2 MO ;) 2013-05-01T19:59:45 < TitanMKD> RamM0Sub16 0x18000000 size 0x4000 2013-05-01T19:59:47 < TitanMKD> and 2013-05-01T20:00:11 < TitanMKD> RamM0Sub2 0x18004000 size 0x800 2013-05-01T20:01:06 < Robint91> TitanMKD, the main M4 can control both M0s ? 2013-05-01T20:01:16 < Robint91> like reset? set PC reg ... ? 2013-05-01T20:01:19 < TitanMKD> I imagine yes 2013-05-01T20:01:23 < TitanMKD> like before on LPC4330 2013-05-01T20:01:28 < TitanMKD> M4 was the master 2013-05-01T20:01:38 < TitanMKD> i think it is same stuff 2013-05-01T20:03:35 < zyp> Robint91, the M4 starts at system reset while the M0 is kept in reset until released by the M4 2013-05-01T20:03:54 < zyp> and there is also a register that the M4 can write to map addr 0 of the M0 2013-05-01T20:04:51 < Robint91> zyp, can the M4 issues a interrupt on the M0? 2013-05-01T20:05:02 < zyp> yes, there is a specific interrupt for that 2013-05-01T20:05:07 < zyp> also for the opposite direction 2013-05-01T20:09:41 < TitanMKD> strange it does not see the LPC4370 ;) 2013-05-01T20:12:08 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-01T20:13:17 < TitanMKD> i'm pretty sure they have not added the JTAG chain ID of new LPC4370 in LPC Xpresso it is why it does not recognize it on JTAG 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clocks again 2013-05-02T02:11:49 < gxti> johntram: __asm embeds arbitrary assembly code 2013-05-02T02:11:57 < gxti> as for BRK, look in the reference manual 2013-05-02T02:17:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T02:20:19 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-02T02:42:03 < johntram> wow this ref manual is huge 2013-05-02T02:42:07 < johntram> 1400 pages! 2013-05-02T02:42:22 * johntram grabs a coffee and starts reading 2013-05-02T02:43:13 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-02T02:54:39 < dongs> karlp: lols 2013-05-02T03:08:50 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/HYCEGwu.jpg 2013-05-02T03:13:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-02T03:22:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-05-02T03:29:07 -!- R0b0t1 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more though 2013-05-02T04:38:58 < R2COM> comment on other channel was aimed to pcb material not to connectors 2013-05-02T04:52:10 < upgrdman> whats the point of the pcb? why not a coax cable? 2013-05-02T04:52:29 < gxti> upgrdman: characterizing the pcb process 2013-05-02T04:52:35 < upgrdman> ohhh 2013-05-02T05:35:01 < R2COM> yes 2013-05-02T05:35:07 < R2COM> reflection and transmission mainly 2013-05-02T05:35:08 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/Q0Mnubb.jpg 2013-05-02T05:35:13 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/QhrS3AV.jpg 2013-05-02T05:36:29 < R2COM> it would be better of course with a right connectors, but not good enough with that fr4 process. just something around 1.5GHz or maybe some more. 2013-05-02T05:37:14 < R2COM> pic#1 has a marker on frequency domain until which reflection is reasonable 2013-05-02T05:42:17 < R2COM> I'll do more tests with completely different type of feed next time with another process 2013-05-02T05:42:44 < R2COM> of course those are not frequencies at which one who 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trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T11:45:02 < capacitor> i think i have to read the bible to configure the DAC 2013-05-02T11:50:29 < zyp> reading the reference manual should be enough 2013-05-02T11:52:47 < capacitor> yeah i got it working but man 2013-05-02T11:53:17 < capacitor> O.o 2013-05-02T12:04:29 < capacitor> i wonder what it is running off lol 2013-05-02T12:13:28 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@client-215-190.flexnet2.rug.nl] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T12:13:28 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@client-215-190.flexnet2.rug.nl] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-02T12:13:28 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T12:13:30 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-05-02T12:19:54 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-02T12:29:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T12:31:05 < dongs> all dual-N fet packages are same pinout right 2013-05-02T12:31:06 < dongs> in so8 2013-05-02T12:37:45 < zyp> probably not, to troll people making those assumptions 2013-05-02T12:38:47 < Tectu> morning folks 2013-05-02T12:43:08 < dongs> zyp: haha 2013-05-02T12:43:16 < dongs> i looked through a couple, most seem to be same setup 2013-05-02T12:43:25 < dongs> S/G/S/G/DDDD 2013-05-02T12:43:28 < jpa-> zyp: i always manage to layout the PCB for the troll part and then the troll part goes end-of-life the next week 2013-05-02T12:43:36 < dongs> yeah heh 2013-05-02T12:43:41 < dongs> or like SOT223 regulators 2013-05-02T12:43:44 < jpa-> same as with S.. yah 2013-05-02T12:43:45 < dongs> with different pinout 2013-05-02T12:43:47 < dongs> fucking assholes 2013-05-02T12:43:50 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@194.17.253.121] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-02T12:51:13 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-02T12:59:33 < zyp> yeah, like my lpc board 2013-05-02T13:02:18 -!- Laurenceb_ 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I've been playing with my stm32f4 2013-05-02T13:38:12 < Tectu> what did you make? 2013-05-02T13:38:25 < capacitor> just playing with the DAC 2013-05-02T13:39:31 < Tectu> okay 2013-05-02T13:39:32 < capacitor> i interfaced the high resolution linear position sensor too 2013-05-02T13:39:42 < Tectu> the? 2013-05-02T13:39:43 < capacitor> going to make me a position servo 2013-05-02T13:39:49 < capacitor> AS5311 2013-05-02T13:40:06 < capacitor> apparently it can do 488nm steps 2013-05-02T13:43:00 < Tectu> are you sure that you are up to the task with the mechanics? 2013-05-02T13:43:36 < capacitor> probably not at this stage but im probably going to sort that stuff out later 2013-05-02T13:45:04 < capacitor> should be fun 2013-05-02T13:45:06 < Tectu> have you ever done anything which is even just 1/10mm of precision? 2013-05-02T13:45:19 < capacitor> nope 2013-05-02T13:45:38 < capacitor> i'm not too worried about super fine accuracy just yet 2013-05-02T13:46:26 < capacitor> i want to write the control softwares 2013-05-02T13:47:27 < capacitor> with the laguerre functions 2013-05-02T13:48:23 < capacitor> maybe i can buy lots of stm32f4 boards and stack them up for extra power 2013-05-02T13:50:33 < capacitor> the control stuff i want to try has a lot of math in it 2013-05-02T13:56:15 < dongs> make sure to use chibios 2013-05-02T13:56:18 < dongs> so you can ask Tectu for help 2013-05-02T13:57:52 < Tectu> thanks dongs, fucking thanks 2013-05-02T13:58:01 < dongs> ^^ ilu 2013-05-02T14:10:10 -!- espiral [~maze@90.154.248.170] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T14:15:24 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-05-02T14:18:33 < capacitor> hahahahaha 2013-05-02T14:18:56 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-02T14:20:35 < sterna1> isn't stm32f4 really good at math? 2013-05-02T14:20:48 < sterna1> I mean, you do have an FPU which is really fast 2013-05-02T14:20:49 < zyp> it's all relative 2013-05-02T14:20:59 < zyp> for an MCU, it's pretty fast 2013-05-02T14:21:20 < sterna1> yes, of course 2013-05-02T14:25:17 < karlp> pretty shit for compiling gentoo though... 2013-05-02T14:26:08 < karlp> man, chrome(ium) history search is terrible 2013-05-02T14:26:14 < karlp> it won't search in urls 2013-05-02T14:27:30 < karlp> this has a renesas quote talking about 2013 being the year of micros going to 40nm and 200mhz and >1meg flash. http://www.eetimes.com/General/PrintView/4412867 2013-05-02T14:27:35 < karlp> more faster! 2013-05-02T14:27:45 < karlp> pretty poor quote though really 2013-05-02T14:29:42 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@145.97.141.30] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T14:29:42 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@145.97.141.30] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-02T14:29:42 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T14:29:45 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-05-02T14:30:08 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T14:30:20 < sterna1> well, MCUs might not come down to 40nm in 2013 2013-05-02T14:30:50 < sterna1> but the other two (200Mhz and >1MB flash) is where we are at now more or less 2013-05-02T14:31:06 < sterna1> the SMT32F43xx-series is up there, right? 2013-05-02T14:32:48 < Laurenceb> F401 is actually pretty epic 2013-05-02T14:32:56 < Laurenceb> 11mA @ 84MHz 2013-05-02T14:33:42 < Laurenceb> [08:52] sorry for falsely stating you were impersonating my mother 2013-05-02T14:33:46 < Laurenceb> lolwtf 2013-05-02T14:34:28 < karlp> yeah, f401 looks like the nicest f4 :) 2013-05-02T14:34:30 < sterna1> stm32f439 runs at 180Mhz and has 2 meg flash (some of them at least) 2013-05-02T14:35:08 < sterna1> but those sounds nice 2013-05-02T14:35:34 < sterna1> f401 2013-05-02T14:35:50 < Laurenceb> at 1.8v thats ~20mW 2013-05-02T14:36:08 < sterna1> they're trying to take market shares from TI 2013-05-02T14:36:24 < Laurenceb> silabs still has lowest power 2013-05-02T14:36:36 < sterna1> I wonder what the price of one f401 would be 2013-05-02T14:36:37 < karlp> but can you buy them? 2013-05-02T14:36:42 < sterna1> not yet it seems 2013-05-02T14:36:46 < Laurenceb> but yeah msp430 is pretty pointles now 2013-05-02T14:36:51 < karlp> I was talking about the silabs parts 2013-05-02T14:36:51 < Laurenceb> with all the low power arms 2013-05-02T14:37:55 < karlp> don't hold your breath for lower power stellaris thehn :) 2013-05-02T14:38:02 < karlp> sorry, tiva 2013-05-02T14:38:02 < sterna1> wooot 2013-05-02T14:38:13 < sterna1> f401 will come in qfn :) 2013-05-02T14:38:22 < Laurenceb> ewww 2013-05-02T14:38:27 < Laurenceb> that is not good 2013-05-02T14:38:52 < sterna1> additionally to large lqfp and impossible bga 2013-05-02T14:39:36 < sterna1> also, they have wlcsp 2013-05-02T14:39:41 < sterna1> which is like bga on crack 2013-05-02T14:39:42 < karlp> meh, we'll all learn to love qfn one day. 2013-05-02T14:39:50 < karlp> same as I hve come to love lqfp over pdip 2013-05-02T14:39:52 < sterna1> 49 pads on 3x3mm 2013-05-02T14:40:04 < Laurenceb> id try it 2013-05-02T14:40:13 < Laurenceb> if i could get a pcb made with that spec 2013-05-02T14:40:25 < sterna1> I don't think soldering is the trouble 2013-05-02T14:40:27 < Laurenceb> actually... 2013-05-02T14:40:36 < Laurenceb> f401 is as good as silabs 2013-05-02T14:40:45 < Laurenceb> " Flash memory to be as low as 140 µA/MHz" 2013-05-02T14:41:03 < Laurenceb> "175 μA/MHz with VBAT at 3.6 V executing from flash" <- silabs 2013-05-02T14:41:09 < sterna1> the trouble is designed a PCB and being able to order it at a resonable price 2013-05-02T14:41:19 < sterna1> 175µA/Mhz 2013-05-02T14:41:24 < sterna1> what was msp430 again... 2013-05-02T14:41:30 < sterna1> I saw this just now 2013-05-02T14:41:37 < Laurenceb> something like that 2013-05-02T14:41:44 < Laurenceb> but msp430 is 16bit 2013-05-02T14:41:49 < Laurenceb> so you can't compare 2013-05-02T14:41:50 < sterna1> 100µA/Mhz 2013-05-02T14:41:54 < Laurenceb> yeah 2013-05-02T14:41:56 < sterna1> yes, of course 2013-05-02T14:42:04 < Laurenceb> so msp430 loses in most cases 2013-05-02T14:42:12 < karlp> hard to get meaninful results from uA/mhz numbers anyway 2013-05-02T14:42:18 < sterna1> 1MHz at 32bit is worth more than 1Mhz at 16bits 2013-05-02T14:42:42 < sterna1> which series is it that silabs makes? 2013-05-02T14:42:45 < sterna1> is it kinetis? 2013-05-02T14:43:10 < karlp> no, that's freescale 2013-05-02T14:43:28 < karlp> doesn't matter how fast I can calculate pi if turning on a gpio uses 10mA for instance. 2013-05-02T14:43:30 < Laurenceb> f401 RTC is ~1µA 2013-05-02T14:43:38 < Laurenceb> as opposed to ~350nA for silabs 2013-05-02T14:44:09 < Laurenceb> yeah - silabs still wins on standby modes 2013-05-02T14:44:29 < karlp> better make sure you have no leakage _anywhere_ else on the board :) 2013-05-02T14:45:13 < karlp> also, who's selling the precision32 stuff from silabs? 2013-05-02T14:46:03 < karlp> oh, they are on digikey, I was looking at the wrong parts 2013-05-02T14:47:55 < jpa-> finding µA-class regulator for F40x is annoying if it also needs to provide ~200mA at max 2013-05-02T14:51:20 < sterna1> hmm, mouser seems a little retarded 2013-05-02T14:51:33 < sterna1> you can sort on cortex-m5 and cortex-m6 2013-05-02T14:51:40 < Laurenceb> their matching items indicator is good 2013-05-02T14:53:52 < sterna1> yeah, I like mouser 2013-05-02T14:54:07 < sterna1> except that their have messed up the meta data sometimes 2013-05-02T14:54:27 < sterna1> the best one I've seen was an inductor with 1kµH 2013-05-02T14:56:02 < Laurenceb> lolz 2013-05-02T15:08:30 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-05-02T15:12:57 < dongs> kineetis is garbage 2013-05-02T15:13:15 < dongs> shit hardware, shit libs 2013-05-02T15:13:20 < dongs> codewarrior is aids 2013-05-02T15:13:40 < dongs> and theywere one of the first cunts to come out wiht M4 without fpu 2013-05-02T15:23:42 < capacitor> thats a bad word man 2013-05-02T15:25:09 < sterna1> I feel the same about lpc1313 2013-05-02T15:26:54 < Laurenceb> unlucky number 2013-05-02T15:27:05 < sterna1> yeah, probably that 2013-05-02T15:35:30 < Laurenceb> another day... 2013-05-02T15:35:40 < Laurenceb> another RAGEEEE 2013-05-02T15:36:01 < capacitor> whats wrong brah? 2013-05-02T15:36:03 < Laurenceb> least squares fitting 2013-05-02T15:36:25 < capacitor> maybe 2013-05-02T15:36:26 < Laurenceb> it would help if actually understood this properly... 2013-05-02T15:37:03 < capacitor> mister matlab 2013-05-02T15:37:06 < Laurenceb> heh 2013-05-02T15:37:17 < capacitor> thats what professor told me 2013-05-02T15:37:25 < capacitor> just get mister matlab to do it.... 2013-05-02T15:37:35 < Laurenceb> i make one of the columns of my matrix negative and the sign of the corresponding output vector element doesnt flip sign 2013-05-02T15:37:37 < Laurenceb> wtf 2013-05-02T15:37:44 < Laurenceb> this is in matlab 2013-05-02T15:38:03 < Laurenceb> the element changes tho... 2013-05-02T15:38:16 < Laurenceb> i think im misunderstanding how this stuff works :-/ 2013-05-02T15:38:28 < capacitor> i'm terrible at matrices 2013-05-02T15:38:33 < capacitor> like hopeless 2013-05-02T15:39:49 < Laurenceb> im using gnu-octave atm.. could be a bug :P 2013-05-02T15:40:03 < capacitor> hahaha rms 2013-05-02T15:40:06 < Laurenceb> http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/doc/interpreter/Linear-Least-Squares.html 2013-05-02T15:40:18 < Laurenceb> "Minimize norm (c*x - d) subject to x >= 0" 2013-05-02T15:40:32 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-02T15:40:35 < Laurenceb> if i change the sign of a column of c, i dont see a sign flip in x 2013-05-02T15:40:58 < Laurenceb> erm 2013-05-02T15:41:07 < Laurenceb> "subject to x >= 0" 2013-05-02T15:41:16 < Laurenceb> yeah im not that stupid, i used lsq 2013-05-02T15:41:25 < Laurenceb> but anyways 2013-05-02T15:41:32 < Laurenceb> bbl 2013-05-02T15:41:41 < capacitor> sounds like a winner, later... 2013-05-02T15:48:40 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T15:50:33 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T15:53:15 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: zzzzZZzzz] 2013-05-02T16:15:59 -!- capacitor [7bf38bbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.187] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-02T16:20:37 -!- Devilholk [~banned@luder.nu] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T16:21:16 < Devilholk> I wonder where I find the PID for a device. Does STM32F100x4 and STM32F100x6 both have 0x420? 2013-05-02T16:23:27 < zyp> it's documented in the reference manual 2013-05-02T16:24:14 < karlp> (and sometimes also in the errata, for the times they've fucked it up) 2013-05-02T16:24:37 < karlp> but yes, you can't tell what package the device is in as far as I've been able to tell 2013-05-02T16:25:00 < karlp> there's a flash memory size register, that doesn't always tell the truth either, but it's something. 2013-05-02T16:25:34 < zyp> like the first revision of F4, that identifies as F2 :p 2013-05-02T16:25:49 < karlp> dongs: kinetis m0+ parts look ok. didn't look at the "bigger" ones 2013-05-02T16:25:56 < karlp> anyway, well overdue for lunch 2013-05-02T16:38:20 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-02T16:47:10 < sterna1> zyp: the reference manual for the specific part or the general one? 2013-05-02T16:49:06 < sterna1> Devilholk: it's in the general reference manual 2013-05-02T16:49:07 < zyp> the RM* document 2013-05-02T16:49:12 < sterna1> under Debug support 2013-05-02T16:49:15 < zyp> yep 2013-05-02T16:49:26 < sterna1> rm0041 for stm32f100x 2013-05-02T16:50:08 < sterna1> and it seems that the version of the manual I have is a little fucked up 2013-05-02T16:50:19 < sterna1> since they've written it two times 2013-05-02T16:50:29 < jpa-> i wonder why ST always messes up the ID code :) 2013-05-02T16:50:58 < sterna1> to make stuff harder for people 2013-05-02T16:51:04 < jpa-> i also wonder how come farnell still ships F4 rev A 2013-05-02T16:51:05 < karlp> I wonder why they dont fix errata like, "the calibration coeffs that we claim to have stored at manufacturing aren't there" 2013-05-02T16:51:21 < sterna1> Devilholk: anyway, low- and medium density have 420 and high density have 428 2013-05-02T16:51:21 < zyp> jpa-, I guess they need to get rid of them somehow 2013-05-02T16:51:22 < karlp> either remove it from the RM, or fit the errata. 2013-05-02T16:51:39 < jpa-> zyp: then they have stocked up way too much of them :) 2013-05-02T16:52:08 < jpa-> zyp: it would be especially fun for the 100-pin parts, because rev A and rev Z are not pinout compatible :P 2013-05-02T16:52:22 < sterna1> aren't they? 2013-05-02T16:52:30 < sterna1> did they fuck up that much for rev A? 2013-05-02T16:52:31 < jpa-> PDR_ON becomes GND 2013-05-02T16:52:41 < jpa-> and if you want RTC to work, PDR_ON has to be high 2013-05-02T16:52:54 < gxti> 100k resistor? :p 2013-05-02T16:52:58 < jpa-> i guess you can manage with a pull-up resistor, but it is a bit nasty :P 2013-05-02T16:53:03 < gxti> yeah 2013-05-02T16:53:41 < jpa-> for TQFP144 we still receive rev A and rev Z in random.. you never know what you will get 2013-05-02T16:53:43 < sterna1> ooh, I can think really see poeple trying to get RTC to work with revision A 2013-05-02T16:54:16 < jpa-> but fortunately that problem doesn't exist on 144-pin parts :) 2013-05-02T16:54:38 < Devilholk> sterna1: Yes, I was pondering fixing stm32flash to report correct sizes but seems like I have to dig in to do that, so another day 2013-05-02T17:00:08 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T17:00:50 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T17:00:50 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-02T17:00:50 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T17:00:50 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-05-02T17:07:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-05-02T17:10:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T17:20:15 < inca> has anyone worked on PCIe bus before? 2013-05-02T17:29:49 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-05-02T17:44:43 < dongs> for what 2013-05-02T17:45:53 < inca> dongs: I'm looking for economical PCIe dev platform to do general purpose outboard electronic interfacing 2013-05-02T17:46:28 < dongs> inca: altera, xilinx have fpga with pcie core in them 2013-05-02T17:46:39 < dongs> or else get pcie>pci bridge from TI/etc 2013-05-02T17:46:44 < dongs> and just hax it up as a pci device 2013-05-02T17:47:20 < inca> Yep. It looks like Altera > Xilinx this year. Signed up for the SoCkit arrow thing, which should be fun. 2013-05-02T17:47:41 < inca> hmm… I hadn't looked at the TI pcie>pci bridge yet… good call 2013-05-02T17:47:48 < dongs> they're cheap 2013-05-02T17:47:49 < dongs> but bga. 2013-05-02T17:47:58 < dongs> ive used uh.. whatever forget partnumber 2013-05-02T17:48:00 < dongs> theres only a couple 2013-05-02T17:48:08 < inca> do they have surfboards for bga yet? 2013-05-02T17:48:10 < dongs> XIA2000 2013-05-02T17:48:10 < dongs> that 2013-05-02T17:48:11 < dongs> xIO 2013-05-02T17:48:21 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/xio2001 2013-05-02T17:48:52 < gxti> nifty 2013-05-02T17:48:53 < inca> got it… lol, 1/5 star review out of one reviews =) 2013-05-02T17:49:02 < dongs> > reviews 2013-05-02T17:49:04 < gxti> must be trash, reviews are never wrong 2013-05-02T17:49:05 < dongs> who the fuck cares 2013-05-02T17:49:18 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/xio2000a&lpos=Middle_Container&lid=Alternative_Devices i think i used this though 2013-05-02T17:49:18 < gxti> "did not worh with my arduino. would not buy again." 2013-05-02T17:49:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T17:49:21 < dongs> thats old version 2013-05-02T17:49:42 < inca> it's okay =) 2013-05-02T17:50:03 < inca> yeah, think it was the old version 2013-05-02T17:51:14 < inca> 250 MB/s sounds pretty good to me 2013-05-02T17:51:31 < dongs> pci is only 133 anyway 2013-05-02T17:51:46 < dongs> pcie x1 is higher bandwidth 2013-05-02T17:54:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-02T17:54:06 < inca> this looks like a good way to proof of concept for cheap 2013-05-02T17:54:12 < inca> thanks, dongs! 2013-05-02T18:00:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-02T18:00:47 < inca> $300 eval, not too bad: https://estore.ti.com/XIO2001EVM-XIO2001-Evaluation-Module-P1749.aspx 2013-05-02T18:01:27 < sterna1> I think we found an FPGA dev board with that bridge on in the thrash 2013-05-02T18:01:31 < sterna1> I beleive it works 2013-05-02T18:01:53 < sterna1> and it's something like 400 bucks 2013-05-02T18:02:08 < sterna1> don't remember the name, but it ewas for spartan 6 2013-05-02T18:02:08 < inca> know what FPGA? 2013-05-02T18:02:12 < inca> hmm 2013-05-02T18:02:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-05-02T18:02:29 < inca> are you in the states? 2013-05-02T18:02:43 < dongs> probably eurofag 2013-05-02T18:03:10 < sterna1> sweden 2013-05-02T18:03:17 < sterna1> http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards-and-kits/EK-S6-SP605-G.htm 2013-05-02T18:03:21 < sterna1> there it is 2013-05-02T18:03:32 < sterna1> I don't know how to work with FPGAs though 2013-05-02T18:04:01 <+Steffanx> You found that in the trash sterna1 ?! 2013-05-02T18:04:01 < inca> I'd pay shipping plus $30 for your time, if you are willing 2013-05-02T18:04:05 < dongs> i would expet that shit to just directly interface with pcie 2013-05-02T18:04:11 < sterna1> yep 2013-05-02T18:04:17 < dongs> i dont see that bridge chip on tehre 2013-05-02T18:04:20 < dongs> unless its on the back 2013-05-02T18:04:24 < sterna1> I think it's on the back 2013-05-02T18:04:30 < sterna1> there are some large ones there 2013-05-02T18:04:33 < inca> spartan-6 has ip core 2013-05-02T18:04:39 < dongs> ^ 2013-05-02T18:04:42 < inca> but there could be a bridge 2013-05-02T18:04:53 < dongs> i believe some altera variant has hard pcie 2013-05-02T18:04:57 < dongs> xilinx is soft 2013-05-02T18:05:04 < inca> mmm 2013-05-02T18:05:04 < dongs> there's also some init issues 2013-05-02T18:05:09 < dongs> you have to use faster flash 2013-05-02T18:05:12 < dongs> or parallel load? 2013-05-02T18:05:16 < dongs> if you do soft pcie core 2013-05-02T18:05:17 < sterna1> as I said, I don't know if it works, but the LEDs started blinking when I powered it up and it blinked differently when I pressed som buttons 2013-05-02T18:05:21 < dongs> cause otherwise it doenst init fast enough 2013-05-02T18:05:22 < gxti> xilinx has hard transceivers though 2013-05-02T18:05:26 < gxti> so it's not all soft 2013-05-02T18:06:16 < dongs> sterna1: ill give you 50 bucks not to ship it to inca 2013-05-02T18:06:18 < gxti> not all of them, mind you, can't pass up an opportunity to charge extra 2013-05-02T18:06:28 < inca> dongs: thanks =P 2013-05-02T18:06:30 < sterna1> dongie: taken 2013-05-02T18:06:39 < sterna1> :P 2013-05-02T18:06:42 < gxti> sterna1: i'll take 50 of your dollars if you ship it to me. 2013-05-02T18:06:55 < sterna1> nah, but I think I'll try to use it 2013-05-02T18:06:57 < gxti> i will also accept $50 from dongs instead 2013-05-02T18:07:02 < sterna1> I wan't to learn fpga 2013-05-02T18:07:06 < sterna1> *want 2013-05-02T18:07:14 < gxti> you could do worse than that board, that's for sure 2013-05-02T18:07:25 < karlp> I see your bids and raise to accepting only $200 for my time in handling this thing 2013-05-02T18:07:41 < inca> sterna1: I have a spartan 3 board which is less intimidating for learning =) 2013-05-02T18:07:50 < gxti> my digilent atlys isn't nearly as sexy as that thing, it's the same size but not as much extra crap and no pci-e 2013-05-02T18:07:53 < dongs> i got a spartan 3e kit shit somewehre 2013-05-02T18:08:05 < dongs> http://www.xilinx.com/products/boards-and-kits/HW-SPAR3E-SK-US-G.htm this shit i think 2013-05-02T18:08:07 < gxti> XC6SLX45, not T :[ 2013-05-02T18:09:45 < inca> sterna1: it's okay, Arrow + Altera are making all the old tech pretty dated this year with SoCkit 2013-05-02T18:10:19 < inca> system-level integration (supposedly), RTL for fun only, and lots and lots of ARM fun 2013-05-02T18:10:23 < dongs> that shit just lookes like DE0-type stuff 2013-05-02T18:10:26 < dongs> probably same company? 2013-05-02T18:10:29 < sterna1> inca: yeah, I saw that one 2013-05-02T18:10:34 < sterna1> seems rather cool 2013-05-02T18:10:34 < inca> don't know DE0 2013-05-02T18:10:35 < dongs> terasic 2013-05-02T18:10:39 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2013-05-02T19:32:02 * jpa- is bored 2013-05-02T19:32:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.215.96] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T19:37:31 -!- resset_ [~pillot@v194.c2.dhosting.pl] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-02T19:40:51 <+Steffanx> poor jpa- 2013-05-02T19:40:54 <+Steffanx> still on holiday? 2013-05-02T19:41:00 < jpa-> not anymore 2013-05-02T19:41:14 < jpa-> full work weeks now 2013-05-02T19:48:17 <+Steffanx> aw 2013-05-02T19:49:59 < zyp> that's life 2013-05-02T19:50:35 <+Steffanx> *modern slavery 2013-05-02T19:50:44 < jpa-> wish my work was less depressing 2013-05-02T19:50:59 <+Steffanx> Time to find yourself a new job? 2013-05-02T19:51:10 < jpa-> maybe 2013-05-02T19:51:13 <+Steffanx> Perhaps you can get a collegue of zyp 2013-05-02T19:51:25 < jpa-> but it's hard to see from outside what is a good job and what is not 2013-05-02T19:51:26 <+Steffanx> *become 2013-05-02T19:51:30 < zyp> heh 2013-05-02T19:51:41 < jpa-> so many places are total wtf 2013-05-02T19:51:53 <+Steffanx> Yeah, for sure 2013-05-02T19:52:15 < zyp> we just hired ~20 guys, so I don't think there is a huge need of more people right now 2013-05-02T19:52:29 <+Steffanx> but no one of them is jpa- 2013-05-02T19:52:45 <+Steffanx> So you're team isn't complete yet 2013-05-02T19:52:47 < zyp> nah, all former STE employees 2013-05-02T19:52:57 <+Steffanx> *your 2013-05-02T19:52:59 < jpa-> i speak fluent norwegian, too (it's just another name for bad swedish, anyway) 2013-05-02T19:53:03 < zyp> :p 2013-05-02T19:53:34 < jpa-> but i don't like consult companies anyway 2013-05-02T19:53:41 < jpa-> already working for one :D 2013-05-02T19:54:19 <+Steffanx> So just win a few million in a lotery and quit your jobs 2013-05-02T19:54:27 < zyp> :p 2013-05-02T19:54:35 < jpa-> then i get bored 2013-05-02T19:55:00 < jpa-> if i really wanted, i could probably negotiate a bit higher salary and live real cheap and take every other year off :) 2013-05-02T19:55:53 <+Steffanx> "live real cheap" your parrot accepts that? 2013-05-02T19:56:21 < jpa-> she can earn her own money if it comes to that :P 2013-05-02T19:56:43 < zyp> well, my company is not really a consulting company, it's just a way of generating more income to fund fun projects :p 2013-05-02T19:57:06 < jpa-> my fun projects don't take money, they take time :F 2013-05-02T20:05:55 < karlp> time is money 2013-05-02T20:06:54 < jpa-> for me, the limitation seems to be something other than time.. more like that work wears me out so that i can't bother to do anything fun anymore 2013-05-02T20:07:00 <+Steffanx> Not in hobby-bobby-time 2013-05-02T20:07:24 <+Steffanx> modern slavery.. jpa- :P 2013-05-02T20:07:31 < zyp> jpa-, doesn't everybody have those days? 2013-05-02T20:07:46 < jpa-> zyp: i don't know.. i've only ever been myself 2013-05-02T20:07:54 < zyp> :) 2013-05-02T20:08:05 <+Steffanx> I know how it feels jpa-. but i've been jpa- before you 2013-05-02T20:08:07 < zyp> well, I know I do 2013-05-02T20:09:11 < zyp> and some coworkers of mine are talking about how they don't feel motivated to code on hobby projects when they get home from writing code all day at work 2013-05-02T20:09:40 < karlp> I get that sometimes 2013-05-02T20:09:45 < jpa-> it never bothered me to do hobby stuff after doing school stuff all day 2013-05-02T20:10:00 < karlp> depends how interesting/boring/detailed the days work was. 2013-05-02T20:10:16 < jpa-> i could be ok with coding at work only, if not for knowing that all code i write at work is useless crap 2013-05-02T20:10:47 < karlp> :w 2013-05-02T20:11:32 < jpa-> but then again, that's mostly true of my code at home also, only that it is not *so* crap :) 2013-05-02T20:11:35 < zyp> that's one reason I liked the position I had at STE; I didn't have to write much code 2013-05-02T20:12:02 < zyp> I mostly read and debugged it 2013-05-02T20:12:25 < jpa-> i could be ok with that.. i like to debug stuff 2013-05-02T20:12:32 < zyp> yeah, so do I 2013-05-02T20:12:42 < jpa-> (unless i have some sales jerk standing beside and waiting for it to be debugged..) 2013-05-02T20:13:12 <+Steffanx> ha 2013-05-02T20:17:34 < gxti> that's SENIOR salesjerk to you, mister 2013-05-02T20:20:19 <+Steffanx> gxti sounds like one with experience 2013-05-02T20:27:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-05-02T20:32:04 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T20:40:35 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T20:40:37 < Robint91> hi all 2013-05-02T20:40:55 < jpa-> hello 2013-05-02T20:40:59 < Robint91> I received today that baseboard tor the F4 2013-05-02T20:41:07 < Robint91> and also the camera module 2013-05-02T20:41:18 <+Steffanx> welcome mr T 2013-05-02T20:48:13 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-212-201-71-42.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T20:55:18 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T21:23:35 -!- jon1012 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[~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T22:46:27 < BJFreeman> as to get up to speed quick i started with the arducam code then went to the F4 library 2013-05-02T22:55:09 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-02T23:13:42 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-05-02T23:26:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.215.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-02T23:28:20 -!- johntram1 [~Thunderbi@175.111.102.145] has quit [Quit: johntram1] 2013-05-02T23:47:47 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-02T23:53:19 -!- Mobyfab_ [Mobyfab@2a01:e35:8a10:c580:d89b:c6af:7b89:1156] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Day changed Fri May 03 2013 2013-05-03T00:03:49 < Laurenceb_> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/thirty-days-behind-the-scenes-at-3dr-may-2-iso9001-2008-certifica 2013-05-03T00:03:54 < Laurenceb_> truly epic lolz 2013-05-03T00:04:23 < Laurenceb_> infinite recursive fail 2013-05-03T00:06:27 -!- phantoneD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [] 2013-05-03T00:06:47 -!- phantoxeD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T00:10:07 < Erlkoenig> i don't get it 2013-05-03T00:10:10 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-03T00:15:04 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-05-03T00:15:10 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-05-03T00:22:49 <+Steffanx> just ignore it Erlkoenig. Really, just ignore it 2013-05-03T00:23:00 < Erlkoenig> okay... 2013-05-03T00:24:42 < gxti> amusing, but not THAT amusing 2013-05-03T00:27:27 < Laurenceb_> well you dont have to spend entire days in ISO meetings 2013-05-03T00:27:48 < Laurenceb_> once someone got hit over the head with a frying pan on the teleconference 2013-05-03T00:27:53 < Laurenceb_> the only time it was ever fun 2013-05-03T00:28:29 <+Steffanx> wonderful, Laurenceb_ 2013-05-03T00:30:07 < Laurenceb_> all the engineers shout "Knock out!!!" 2013-05-03T00:30:14 < Laurenceb_> and start a countdown 2013-05-03T00:30:25 < Laurenceb_> managers are like WTF?! 2013-05-03T00:30:41 < Erlkoenig> sound surrealistic 2013-05-03T00:30:53 < Erlkoenig> meeting on monday will decide whether my work of the last weeks will be used or dumped 2013-05-03T00:31:03 <+Steffanx> uh? 2013-05-03T00:31:16 <+Steffanx> your c++ stuff? 2013-05-03T00:31:20 < Erlkoenig> yup 2013-05-03T00:31:30 <+Steffanx> Why one would dump that? 2013-05-03T00:31:52 < Erlkoenig> they might prefer an ultraexpensive National Instruments FPGA Board, because it can be programmed graphically 2013-05-03T00:31:55 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-182134.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-03T00:32:13 < Erlkoenig> although it is proven that the power of a Cortex-M3 is sufficient 2013-05-03T00:32:34 < Erlkoenig> well i think there are more good arguments for my C++ stuff 2013-05-03T00:32:56 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-182134.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T00:35:04 <+Steffanx> "an ultraexpensive National Instruments FPGA Board, because it can be programmed graphically".. 2013-05-03T00:35:10 <+Steffanx> sorry, dont know what to say anymore :( 2013-05-03T00:36:14 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-182134.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-03T00:36:21 < Erlkoenig> ah yes and because NI gives free LabVIEW courses if we use their hardware (because of usual sponsor advertising) 2013-05-03T00:38:12 <+Steffanx> I had to use LabView for some course .. 2013-05-03T00:38:22 <+Steffanx> I was so happy it had a C block or whatever it was called P 2013-05-03T00:39:16 < Erlkoenig> haha... we have one programmer who can use Labview and quite some who know C, C++ 2013-05-03T00:40:15 <+Steffanx> How bad would you feel when they chose that crap over your lib? 2013-05-03T00:40:36 < Erlkoenig> sufficiently bad 2013-05-03T00:40:52 <+Steffanx> Did you test that fpga stuff? 2013-05-03T00:40:59 < Erlkoenig> didn't touch it... 2013-05-03T00:41:16 <+Steffanx> I wonder how well it performs or is the labview stuff converted into 'hardware'? 2013-05-03T00:41:32 < Robint91> labview fpga is kinda strange 2013-05-03T00:41:32 < Erlkoenig> i don't think i would learn labview for that... i'd maybe program an FPGA in VHDL but not graphically o.O 2013-05-03T00:41:48 < Robint91> they load a softcore to run most of your LV program in 2013-05-03T00:41:52 <+Steffanx> You dont want to use an fgpa for the stuff you are doing :P 2013-05-03T00:42:02 <+Steffanx> Robint91 really .. softcore? 2013-05-03T00:42:05 < Erlkoenig> if i got it right, they have 2 FPGA's - one of CAN interface, one for assisting the fat CPU doing the calculations 2013-05-03T00:42:09 < Robint91> Steffanx, yep 2013-05-03T00:42:14 <+Steffanx> Please use your veto against it Erlkoenig 2013-05-03T00:42:16 < Robint91> Steffanx, YOU ARE RUNNING SOFTWARE 2013-05-03T00:42:32 < Erlkoenig> Steffanx: i will use all my expertly discussing skillz 2013-05-03T00:42:50 <+Steffanx> Good 2013-05-03T00:42:55 < Erlkoenig> well one argument pro that board: it is very well designed to withstand electrical noise 2013-05-03T00:43:28 < Erlkoenig> our custom STM32F3 boards might be not that robust... although they can of course be mader robust, theoretically 2013-05-03T00:43:43 <+Steffanx> And it requires at least 1A @ 5V ? :P 2013-05-03T00:43:50 < Erlkoenig> more :D 2013-05-03T00:43:52 < Erlkoenig> and weights tons 2013-05-03T00:43:59 < Erlkoenig> and is huge 2013-05-03T00:44:10 <+Steffanx> perfect solution for an race car :) 2013-05-03T00:44:12 <+Steffanx> -n 2013-05-03T00:44:15 < Erlkoenig> exactly 2013-05-03T00:44:17 < Robint91> Erlkoenig, leave when they make the call on the fpga board 2013-05-03T00:44:25 < Robint91> Erlkoenig, simple as that 2013-05-03T00:44:31 < Erlkoenig> jup i guess so 2013-05-03T00:44:55 < Erlkoenig> then they have exactly one programmer who can handle the programming... who will leave the Uni soon probably 2013-05-03T00:46:50 <+Steffanx> We'll all be with you monday Erlkoenig :) 2013-05-03T00:47:01 <+Steffanx> youll be in our minds .. 2013-05-03T00:47:04 < Erlkoenig> one other Team actually uses that NI board, and it seems to work... still ugly as heck, especially on the cost report... 2013-05-03T00:47:15 < Erlkoenig> haha thanks :D ... united power for STM32 :D 2013-05-03T00:47:18 <+Steffanx> 50% of the budget? :) 2013-05-03T00:47:27 < Erlkoenig> probably like 30% but still 2013-05-03T00:47:30 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 2013-05-03T00:47:41 <+Steffanx> Dag 2013-05-03T00:48:03 < Erlkoenig> well if you were to series-manufacture the car with that 2013-05-03T00:48:13 < Erlkoenig> because of sponsoring we got out board massively cheaper 2013-05-03T00:48:16 <+Steffanx> How well does it perform anyway? 2013-05-03T00:48:19 < karlp> whee! pull requests to support building with gcc 2.x! 2013-05-03T00:48:21 < karlp> how useful! 2013-05-03T00:48:35 < Erlkoenig> ... but the jury evaluates the design based on series production 2013-05-03T00:48:37 <+Steffanx> Can the f4 outperform the fpga-software labview stuff? 2013-05-03T00:48:54 < Erlkoenig> it doesn't perform because there isn't a program yet...... 2013-05-03T00:49:03 < Erlkoenig> well i guess no 2013-05-03T00:49:13 <+Steffanx> it doesnt even have a bootloaderish option? 2013-05-03T00:49:18 <+Steffanx> with onboard debugging and stuff 2013-05-03T00:49:19 < Erlkoenig> that board probably has insane calculation power of which we need 0.001% 2013-05-03T00:49:33 < Erlkoenig> well dunno 2013-05-03T00:49:37 < Erlkoenig> all wrapped into NI stuff 2013-05-03T00:49:41 < Erlkoenig> no direct hardware access 2013-05-03T00:49:47 <+Steffanx> vendor lockin ftw 2013-05-03T00:49:55 <+Steffanx> ( i wonder why dongs doesnt use it ) 2013-05-03T00:49:57 < Erlkoenig> yes that too... 2013-05-03T00:50:23 < Erlkoenig> well my C++ stuff is vendor-locked to ARM-GCC because i know no other ARM-C++ Compiler that supports C++11 :D 2013-05-03T00:50:32 <+Steffanx> it would be a sad "told ya so" moment though :P 2013-05-03T00:50:39 <+Steffanx> *could be 2013-05-03T00:51:51 < Erlkoenig> problem is that NI board is somewhat the pet projekt of someone... that discussion might turn ugly 2013-05-03T00:52:20 <+Steffanx> and the c++ stuff is your pet project 2013-05-03T00:52:30 < Erlkoenig> yup but it's actually a sane use 2013-05-03T00:52:46 < Erlkoenig> also *I* manage to interface other CAN modules... 2013-05-03T00:54:10 <+Steffanx> Good luck. Time to sleep 2013-05-03T00:54:55 < Erlkoenig> thanks... good night :) 2013-05-03T00:55:04 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: zzzzZZzzz] 2013-05-03T00:55:57 < karlp> Erlkoenig: wasn't zyp using some c++11 stuff? pretty sure it was just regular recent gcc 2013-05-03T00:56:20 < Erlkoenig> yes he was, my stuff is like zyp's stuff on drugs :3 2013-05-03T00:56:29 < Erlkoenig> yes GCC can do it 2013-05-03T00:56:32 < Erlkoenig> but armcc can't 2013-05-03T00:56:42 < karlp> oh, sorry, I misread you 2013-05-03T00:56:56 < karlp> I thought you meant armcc when you said "vendor-locked to ARMGCC" 2013-05-03T00:56:58 < Erlkoenig> well at least C++11 is standardized 2013-05-03T00:57:06 < Erlkoenig> no ARMGCC is GCC :D 2013-05-03T00:57:22 < karlp> yeah, but writing c++11 is hardly "vendor locked" 2013-05-03T00:57:28 < karlp> anyway, these are all distractions! 2013-05-03T00:57:46 < Erlkoenig> yup 2013-05-03T00:57:56 < Erlkoenig> writing an insane CANopen C++11 implementation now 2013-05-03T00:58:21 < Erlkoenig> i wonder whether any industrial customer would actually buy something like that 2013-05-03T01:00:26 < Laurenceb_> i dont think your work is needed 2013-05-03T01:00:32 < Laurenceb_> i mean look at iran 2013-05-03T01:00:36 < Laurenceb_> worked fine for them 2013-05-03T01:00:42 < Laurenceb_> /jk 2013-05-03T01:00:47 < Erlkoenig> sounds like an argument 2013-05-03T01:03:37 < karlp> how can "make clean all" fail, but "make clean; make all" works :| 2013-05-03T01:03:54 < Laurenceb_> their graphically programmed enrichment worked wonderfully 2013-05-03T01:04:54 < Erlkoenig> didn't they use Siemens Technology? 2013-05-03T01:04:58 < zyp> karlp, does make enforce order of arguments? 2013-05-03T01:05:38 < zyp> doesn't make just satisfy the listed targets in any suitable order? 2013-05-03T01:06:38 < karlp> it's some trick in contiki makefiles I guess trying to help out with something else 2013-05-03T01:19:45 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-05-03T01:41:33 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Quit: adding some unnecessary marshalling in the MSR handling] 2013-05-03T01:45:28 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T01:54:10 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-212-201-71-42.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-03T02:05:35 -!- luke1 is now known as Luggi_ 2013-05-03T02:12:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T02:23:02 -!- vpopov [~happylife@37-147-202-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T02:27:16 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-05-03T02:57:06 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-03T03:13:35 -!- vpopov [~happylife@37-147-202-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-03T03:27:41 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T03:28:12 < Tectu> anyone still here? 2013-05-03T03:31:33 < gxti> no 2013-05-03T03:34:47 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T03:40:51 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-03T03:42:16 < dongs> sup dongs 2013-05-03T03:50:10 < emeb> bloggin' 2013-05-03T03:53:36 < emeb> hilarious side effects of BatchPCB selling out to OSHpark - lots of random n00bs asking for my gerbers. 2013-05-03T03:53:43 < dongs> haha 2013-05-03T03:53:49 < dongs> why? 2013-05-03T03:53:55 < dongs> did it become cheaper or something? 2013-05-03T03:54:19 < emeb> I had a bunch of designs on BatchPCB's 3rd-party design sales. Now OSHpark doesn't do 3rd-party sales. 2013-05-03T03:54:40 < emeb> so they have to come to me for the gerbers. 2013-05-03T03:54:48 < dongs> ah 2013-05-03T03:56:06 < gxti> there actually is store.oshpark.com but it's not as fully baked (not that batchpcb was 'baked' to begin with), it looks like listing stuff there is a manual process 2013-05-03T03:56:23 < dongs> so there was some shit like 'click here to order this guys pcbs' type shit? 2013-05-03T03:56:29 < gxti> yeah 2013-05-03T03:56:30 < emeb> yeah 2013-05-03T03:56:35 < dongs> and they kept designs and just made them. ok 2013-05-03T03:56:47 < emeb> if you wanted to set up the paperwork they'd even send you a cut. 2013-05-03T03:57:02 < emeb> but they needed a tax form so they could report the income. 2013-05-03T03:57:11 < emeb> so I didn't bother. 2013-05-03T03:57:37 < gxti> i don't really understand the appeal of selling or even giving away blank pcbs 2013-05-03T03:57:40 < dongs> silly american companies 2013-05-03T03:57:44 < dongs> yeahi dont either 2013-05-03T03:57:54 < dongs> there is maybe SOME point in through hole shit 2013-05-03T03:58:00 < dongs> but people email me asking for jewpad adapter pcbs 2013-05-03T03:58:03 < emeb> some folks can't be arsed to design their own I guess. 2013-05-03T03:58:03 < dongs> with 0.3mm pitch stuff 2013-05-03T03:58:07 < dongs> the fuck you gonna do wiht it??? 2013-05-03T03:58:28 < gxti> emeb: yeah but getting a blank pcb just means now you have to buy a bunch of shit to make it work 2013-05-03T03:58:32 < gxti> and it's all on you if you fail 2013-05-03T03:58:49 < gxti> no economy of scale, etc 2013-05-03T03:58:50 < emeb> I guess. In some circles that's considered fun. 2013-05-03T03:59:06 < dongs> im in ur circle, making it fun 2013-05-03T03:59:10 < gxti> kits are one thing (that i also have no interest in) but blank pcbs are just failsauce 2013-05-03T03:59:12 < ds2> 0.3mm isn't THAT bad 2013-05-03T03:59:33 < ds2> I'd love full SMT kit 2013-05-03T04:00:49 < emeb> ds2: I've got those SI570 parts you wanted. 2013-05-03T04:01:00 < emeb> pm me with mailing info... 2013-05-03T04:05:44 < dongs> smt kit? only from a huge company that can automatically make them 2013-05-03T04:05:52 < dongs> it makes no sense for one dude to make smt kits of stuff 2013-05-03T04:05:59 < ds2> eh? 2013-05-03T04:05:59 < dongs> just cutting/labeling all cut tape/etc shit 2013-05-03T04:06:02 < dongs> is a giant waste of time 2013-05-03T04:06:02 < ds2> oh that 2013-05-03T04:06:14 < ds2> it isn't too bad, I did a SMT kit before 2013-05-03T04:06:20 < ds2> but it is labor intensive 2013-05-03T04:06:53 < ds2> having discovered SMT, I just donno why people even bother with TH. SMT is so much easier to deal with 2013-05-03T04:08:34 < dongs> bceause arduino 2013-05-03T04:10:29 < ds2> blah....that abomination 2013-05-03T04:10:48 < ds2> if I wanted to use a AVR, a pref board + a AVR is so much easier assuming one can figure out the programmer dejour 2013-05-03T04:16:36 < upgrdman> i also feared SMDs until i started to make my own pcbs. now i have a pile of PTH stuff that never gets used (except for bodges) 2013-05-03T04:26:02 < dongs> i just skipped all the crap and went directly to BGA and shit 2013-05-03T04:26:07 < dongs> throughhole crap is just a waste of time 2013-05-03T04:26:11 < dongs> no matter what the application 2013-05-03T04:29:44 < GargantuaSauce> how many PCBs did you send for that ended up being garbage in the learning process 2013-05-03T04:31:51 < englishman> dongs has a picknplace, so of course through-hole is a waste of time 2013-05-03T04:31:55 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-03T04:33:47 < ds2> I don't have a PnP and I still prefer SMT 2013-05-03T04:35:42 < ds2> TH is just so annoying, insert part, flip board, it falls off, repeat ad inf 2013-05-03T04:35:53 < ds2> SMT - tack, tack, solder solder... done. 2013-05-03T04:37:24 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: very little 2013-05-03T04:37:32 < dongs> i have a ~99% success rate on prototypes 2013-05-03T04:37:56 < dongs> fail shit is generally really dumb stuff that was due to not reading datasheets and i stopped doinmg that long time ago 2013-05-03T04:38:31 < GargantuaSauce> maybe i need to stop being a pussy and pirate eagle then 2013-05-03T04:38:47 < dongs> lol eagle. 2013-05-03T04:38:53 < gxti> if you're going to pirate something, pirate altium 2013-05-03T04:38:54 < dongs> eagle is like half the reason opensores shit is broken 2013-05-03T04:38:59 < dongs> ^ what he said 2013-05-03T04:39:05 < GargantuaSauce> ok altium then 2013-05-03T04:39:12 < ds2> Eagle is fine. 2013-05-03T04:39:15 < GargantuaSauce> i just chose one that was not kicad off the top of my head 2013-05-03T04:39:17 < ds2> Altium blows chunks 2013-05-03T04:39:24 < dongs> lol? 2013-05-03T04:39:27 < gxti> no comment 2013-05-03T04:39:53 < gxti> if you want something that you have a chance of affording later on, diptrace seems to be it 2013-05-03T04:47:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T04:58:50 < upgrdman> dongs: how much did your pnp setup cost? 2013-05-03T04:59:09 < dongs> you cant afford it 2013-05-03T04:59:21 < upgrdman> five figures, huh? 2013-05-03T05:01:12 < dongs> yea 2013-05-03T05:01:18 < upgrdman> :( 2013-05-03T05:01:57 < upgrdman> actually what i could use more than a pnp is a pcb manuf setup complete the silk and plated vias 2013-05-03T05:02:13 < upgrdman> would probably make my bedroom look like a meth lab 2013-05-03T05:02:14 < gnomad> dongs: what do you use for PCB design? 2013-05-03T05:02:22 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-205-216.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T05:03:00 < dongs> dicktrace :( 2013-05-03T05:03:14 < dongs> my pal already switched to altium, i need to do that asap 2013-05-03T05:03:42 < gnomad> legit copy or pirate? 2013-05-03T05:03:56 < dongs> dicktrace? legit. paid for full ver 2013-05-03T05:04:07 < dongs> altium? until they stop bundling shit i never use, i wont pay for it 2013-05-03T05:04:09 < gnomad> I was refering to altium. 2013-05-03T05:04:14 < dongs> i.e. i could pay up to 2k for it for schema+pcb 2013-05-03T05:04:21 < dongs> I dont wanna pay 5k for spice, fpga compiler, and other trash 2013-05-03T05:05:19 < gnomad> i've been using eagle... drives me effin nuts. 2013-05-03T05:06:05 < inca> gnomad: is it still 4x the clicks to do anything? 2013-05-03T05:06:09 < dongs> give dicktrace a try you wont touch eagle ever 2013-05-03T05:06:35 < inca> dongs: dicktrace? 2013-05-03T05:06:48 < dongs> < gxti> if you want something that you have a chance of affording later on, diptrace seems to be it 2013-05-03T05:06:51 < dongs> ^ that 2013-05-03T05:06:52 < gnomad> diptrace. 2013-05-03T05:06:54 < baird> Japanese for diptrace. 2013-05-03T05:07:56 < inca> wow… cross platform an all that 2013-05-03T05:09:22 < gnomad> it is only cross-platform because it runs under Wine 2013-05-03T05:09:25 < upgrdman> 300 pins. i wonder if i will ever need more than 300 2013-05-03T05:09:42 < upgrdman> might have to try it out 2013-05-03T05:10:02 < dongs> yeah, they should really stop using delphi and redo the UI in QT 2013-05-03T05:10:04 < upgrdman> geda is nice but sometimes i get annoyed 2013-05-03T05:10:04 < dongs> but whatever 2013-05-03T05:10:13 < dongs> shit works better than anything else out there in this price range 2013-05-03T05:11:04 < englishman> five figures?? that's it? 2013-05-03T05:11:54 < englishman> i thought they were 100,000++ 2013-05-03T05:16:36 -!- l4cr0ss [~lacro$$@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-03T05:22:29 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-03T05:24:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T05:52:33 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-05-03T06:13:56 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T06:16:13 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T06:33:53 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-205-216.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2013-05-03T06:34:14 -!- bairdy [~cjb@ppp121-44-205-216.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T06:34:21 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-05-03T06:34:34 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T07:13:14 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2013-05-03T07:24:52 -!- phantoneD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T07:27:39 -!- phantoxeD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-05-03T07:29:49 -!- phantoxeD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T07:30:10 -!- phantoneD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-03T07:34:58 < dongs> TCP0030Tektronix TCP0030 120 MHz TekVPI 30 Ampere AC/DC current probe Discontinued$100,000,000.00 2013-05-03T07:35:02 < dongs> cool probe 2013-05-03T07:36:41 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T07:45:44 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T07:54:59 < upgrdman> real price?? 2013-05-03T07:55:11 < dongs> absolutely 2013-05-03T07:55:13 -!- bairdy [~cjb@ppp121-44-205-216.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2013-05-03T07:55:24 < dongs> delivered by private jet anywhere in the world in less than 3 hours 2013-05-03T07:55:27 < upgrdman> wtf is it is expensive 2013-05-03T07:56:24 < R2COM> is the jet escorted by fighter jets 2013-05-03T07:57:00 < talsit> dongs: link or bullshit 2013-05-03T07:58:32 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T08:05:21 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T08:08:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-03T08:22:23 -!- claude_ [~quassel@HSI-KBW-109-192-173-054.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T08:23:56 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T08:26:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-05-03T08:31:13 -!- claude_ [~quassel@HSI-KBW-109-192-173-054.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-05-03T08:51:22 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T08:54:20 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-03T09:05:35 < R2COM> heh I probably should have added Selae 16 chan. analyzer to previous equipment order batch... ehh 2013-05-03T09:05:40 < R2COM> just to play with it 2013-05-03T09:06:23 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-03T09:10:39 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@ims1065d.engr.ucdavis.edu] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T09:24:32 -!- BJFreeman [~bjfree@72.sub-75-233-246.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-05-03T09:30:03 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T09:35:52 -!- dfletcher__ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T09:35:58 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-05-03T09:37:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T09:38:35 < dongs> that thing sucks 2013-05-03T09:38:48 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-03T09:39:08 < jpa-> how does it suck? 2013-05-03T09:39:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T09:41:37 < englishman> buy the $10 clone from aliexpress and find out for yourself how useless it is 2013-05-03T09:42:24 < talsit> i have the logic8, and i've found it immensly useful 2013-05-03T09:43:08 < dongs> yea as long as youre doing anything < 1mhz 2013-05-03T09:43:14 < dongs> or dont midn software thats total shit 2013-05-03T09:43:15 < dongs> then sure! 2013-05-03T09:43:16 < dongs> its great 2013-05-03T09:43:22 < talsit> i found it ok for 8MHz 2013-05-03T09:43:37 < talsit> dongs: what's a "good" LA? 2013-05-03T09:44:20 < jpa-> should be good up to some 10MHz if you don't need all the channels 2013-05-03T09:55:24 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: and like that, he's gone] 2013-05-03T09:57:55 -!- dfletcher__ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-03T09:57:55 -!- dfletcher__ [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T09:57:57 -!- dfletcher__ is now known as dfletcher 2013-05-03T09:59:12 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-03T10:01:34 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T10:09:29 < R2COM> for very high speed you would need special probes anyhow, you wont expect too much from that selae shit 2013-05-03T10:09:42 < R2COM> mainly for low speed spi and other type debugging 2013-05-03T10:15:08 < dongs> lolspeed 2013-05-03T10:16:14 < zyp> dongs, so, what's shit about the software? 2013-05-03T10:16:33 < dongs> zyp, its completely garbage 2013-05-03T10:16:48 < zyp> because it doesn't require windows? 2013-05-03T10:17:13 < gnomad> Aren't there some super-cheap saelae clone boards? 2013-05-03T10:20:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-05-03T10:29:15 < R2COM> lol http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-200M-32Channel-Logic-Analyzer-Openbench-Logic-Sniffer-1-1-clone-Open-Source-FPGA-XINLIX/768092581.html 2013-05-03T10:29:33 < dongs> lol fucking garbage 2013-05-03T10:29:42 < dongs> i see 3 problems 2013-05-03T10:29:49 < dongs> 1) pic 2) no sram 3) opensauce 2013-05-03T10:30:06 < R2COM> drop #1, its not problem if used properly 2013-05-03T10:31:17 < qyx_> drop #2 as they mention in there 2013-05-03T10:31:49 < R2COM> hmm so they sample it with Xilinx... err 2013-05-03T10:32:10 < qyx_> probably, i was also wondering 2013-05-03T10:32:22 < R2COM> problem might be that there is no buffer, unless that voltage converter on right of board acts as buffer 2013-05-03T10:32:49 < qyx_> 16 buffered, 5volt tolerant channels 2013-05-03T10:34:16 < R2COM> dong how about this one http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-1970950-pn-U4154A/4-gb-s-axie-based-logic-analyzer-module?nid=-33306.974119.00&cc=US&lc=eng&cmpid=zzfindu4154a 2013-05-03T10:35:09 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T10:35:32 < R2COM> i mean dongs 2013-05-03T10:37:34 < R2COM> but for that one, special connectors have to exist on DUT 2013-05-03T10:37:36 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@194.17.253.121] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T10:37:43 < R2COM> to match it to its cable set. 2013-05-03T10:38:42 < R2COM> sleep time 2013-05-03T10:40:43 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-03T10:43:55 -!- sterna2 [~Adium@62.127.211.186] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T10:46:14 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@194.17.253.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-05-03T11:00:36 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@194.17.253.121] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T11:01:37 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T11:03:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-03T11:28:34 -!- timemob [~dongs@149.110.131.180.west.global.crust-r.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T11:32:05 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@194.17.253.121] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-05-03T11:39:29 < Thorn> dongs business model revealed http://xkcd.com/1207/ 2013-05-03T11:40:12 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-108.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T11:40:57 -!- tim3mob [~dongs@ZU221222.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T11:42:48 -!- timemob [~dongs@149.110.131.180.west.global.crust-r.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-03T11:44:43 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-108.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-03T11:45:31 -!- tim3mob [~dongs@ZU221222.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-03T11:51:41 -!- bairdy [~cjb@ppp121-44-205-216.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T11:53:36 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T11:59:57 -!- bairdy is now known as baird 2013-05-03T12:02:17 -!- baird is now known as bairdy 2013-05-03T12:02:50 -!- bairdy is now known as bairdy_ 2013-05-03T12:02:58 -!- bairdy_ is now known as bairdynomnom 2013-05-03T12:03:06 -!- bairdynomnom is now known as bairdynomnom_ 2013-05-03T12:03:18 -!- bairdynomnom_ is now known as bairdy 2013-05-03T12:08:22 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@194.17.253.121] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T12:10:36 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: bairdy 2013-05-03T12:10:40 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: claude 2013-05-03T12:10:51 -!- Netsplit over, joins: claude 2013-05-03T12:11:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: bairdy 2013-05-03T12:12:47 < dongs> so uh is there a USABLE F103 bootloader that isnt full of aids 2013-05-03T12:17:43 < dongs> looks like shit from dsonano might be rippable 2013-05-03T12:17:51 < talsit> dongs : http://www.blaicher.com/2012/05/chibios-based-stm32-bootloader-example/ 2013-05-03T12:17:58 < dongs> haha chibios 2013-05-03T12:18:08 < talsit> you love it 2013-05-03T12:18:20 < dongs> no thanks right away because 2013-05-03T12:18:25 < dongs> 1) makefeiles 2) c hibios 2013-05-03T12:18:28 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-03T12:18:46 < dongs> .. from sd card 2013-05-03T12:18:47 < dongs> useless 2013-05-03T12:19:06 < zyp> dfu? 2013-05-03T12:19:22 < talsit> unless your only interface to it is either SD card or morsecode through a button 2013-05-03T12:19:28 < talsit> i would prefer SD 2013-05-03T12:20:48 < sterna2> morsecode :) 2013-05-03T12:21:18 < sterna2> I've thought about a bootloader using only VCC 2013-05-03T12:22:18 < sterna2> if you have a microcontroller that can measure it's own supply voltage using adc you can have some device that feeds bits by changing the supply voltage 2013-05-03T12:23:09 < sterna2> so, say you have a device running at 3V and makes it interpret a voltage over 3.3V as a 1 and below 2.7V as 0 2013-05-03T12:23:19 < sterna2> then you need no extra pins 2013-05-03T12:23:33 < talsit> but you will need to be able to bypass your vreg 2013-05-03T12:23:53 < zyp> a two-pin microcontroller sounds pretty useless though 2013-05-03T12:23:56 < sterna2> if you use one 2013-05-03T12:24:16 < zyp> except NFC stuff 2013-05-03T12:24:20 < sterna2> I've made projects without a voltage regulator 2013-05-03T12:24:32 < zyp> because what you just described is kinda how passive NFC stuff works 2013-05-03T12:24:39 < sterna2> yep 2013-05-03T12:24:52 < sterna2> you could probably make a bootloader with it, which would be fun 2013-05-03T12:25:14 < bairdy> There was an epic military tiger-team security hack done back in the 1970s that uses deliberate system load frobbing (of the winchester drives?) to morse out an illicit communications channel via the power grid. :) 2013-05-03T12:25:16 < zyp> you have a strange definition of fun 2013-05-03T12:25:16 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@152.sub-75-196-126.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T12:25:50 < sterna2> bairdy: isn't that like what McGyver did in the pilot episode 2013-05-03T12:26:04 < sterna2> he blinked the lights in morse to signal that he was alive 2013-05-03T12:26:10 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJFreeman 2013-05-03T12:26:36 < sterna2> right after he sealed a tank with some nasty chemical (like sulfuric acid or something like that) using chocolate 2013-05-03T12:26:43 < bairdy> I didn't watch that show because it didn't have intelligent cars. :P :) 2013-05-03T12:27:42 < sterna2> I've only watched like 2 episodes 2013-05-03T12:29:52 < bairdy> If they brought back Automan, that would be scarey. "But Walter; the Internet is for Porn." 2013-05-03T12:31:47 < bairdy> "What did you do, Automan?" "I uploaded the rotten.com archives to her smartphone." 2013-05-03T12:36:25 < dongs> zyp: or wahtever, something usb + working 2013-05-03T12:41:19 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-03T12:44:38 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-05-03T13:24:48 -!- BJFreeman [~bjfree@152.sub-75-196-126.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-03T13:26:02 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@84.sub-75-233-174.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T13:29:53 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJFreeman 2013-05-03T13:31:12 -!- phantoneD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T13:34:18 -!- phantoxeD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-05-03T13:38:32 < dongs> is there a intrinsic for msr msp 2013-05-03T13:39:59 < dongs> __set_MSP looks like 2013-05-03T13:40:00 < dongs> k 2013-05-03T13:42:08 < dongs> o shit 2013-05-03T13:42:14 < dongs> 4.0.0 of fs-usb lib 2013-05-03T13:42:19 < dongs> has a nice dfu bootloader sample 2013-05-03T13:56:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-03T13:58:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T14:05:18 -!- phantoneD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-03T14:05:39 -!- phantoxeD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T14:24:10 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T14:30:58 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@194.17.253.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-03T14:33:10 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@194.17.253.121] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T14:38:08 -!- vpopov [~happylife@37-147-202-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T14:50:53 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T14:54:57 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T15:04:38 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-05-03T15:14:06 < dongs> EXTI_Line18 is always usb wake up? 2013-05-03T15:44:44 < dongs> cool, got bootlolder working from St sample 2013-05-03T15:45:18 < Laurenceb> DFU? 2013-05-03T15:45:21 < dongs> y 2013-05-03T15:45:25 < Laurenceb> eww 2013-05-03T15:45:31 < dongs> fuck off 2013-05-03T15:45:35 < dongs> this has to work for dumb people 2013-05-03T15:45:40 < Laurenceb> its some horrible extentions and stuff 2013-05-03T15:45:45 < dongs> pfft??? 2013-05-03T15:45:49 < Laurenceb> having said that it runs with mokoboot 2013-05-03T15:45:55 < Laurenceb> so it cant be that bad 2013-05-03T15:45:56 < dongs> i dont even know/care what that is 2013-05-03T15:45:59 < dongs> wehre's ST's DFU shit 2013-05-03T15:46:11 < dongs> is that teh dfuse 2013-05-03T15:46:20 < Laurenceb> its not cross platform is it? 2013-05-03T15:46:27 < dongs> lol i dont give a fuck 2013-05-03T15:46:29 < dongs> my platform = windows 2013-05-03T15:46:30 < Laurenceb> lolz 2013-05-03T15:46:41 < Laurenceb> it worked with mokoboot for me 2013-05-03T15:46:47 < Laurenceb> so i guess i can't complain 2013-05-03T15:47:54 < dongs> holy fuck ST site sucks 2013-05-03T15:48:08 < Laurenceb> why is this news 2013-05-03T15:48:29 * Laurenceb uses mass storage bootloader 2013-05-03T15:48:43 < Laurenceb> for n00b proofing 2013-05-03T15:48:45 < dongs> STSW-STM32080DfuSe USB device firmware upgrade STMicroelectronics extension: contains the demo GUI, debugging GUI, all sources files and the protocol layer 2013-05-03T15:48:49 < dongs> found 2013-05-03T15:48:58 < dongs> mass stoRAGE on usb? 2013-05-03T15:49:02 < Laurenceb> yes 2013-05-03T15:49:07 < Laurenceb> lolwat GUI?! 2013-05-03T15:49:17 < Laurenceb> mokoboot ftw 2013-05-03T15:49:33 < dongs> are you talking actual bootloader or some garbage you integrated into your app thats full of aids 2013-05-03T15:49:45 < Laurenceb> lolz 2013-05-03T15:49:50 < Laurenceb> its a bootloader i wrote 2013-05-03T15:49:59 < Laurenceb> but it needs a micro SD card to run 2013-05-03T15:50:21 < Laurenceb> copy and paste the binary onto it and reboot 2013-05-03T15:50:22 < dongs> useless 2013-05-03T15:50:39 < Laurenceb> no usefull, end users can actually use it 2013-05-03T15:59:29 -!- bairdy [~cjb@ppp121-44-205-216.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2013-05-03T16:02:59 < Laurenceb> http://media.tumblr.com/a327fcb22a2c5bffdedd79fdb89406f2/tumblr_inline_mlav1iY3xt1qz4rgp.jpg 2013-05-03T16:05:44 < Laurenceb> http://media.tumblr.com/af6ef07c966e2754184b6e56e64e6b24/tumblr_inline_mkn8eu4WFC1qz4rgp.jpg 2013-05-03T16:05:49 < Laurenceb> its a new meme 2013-05-03T16:06:57 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-05-03T16:23:57 < dongs> k lets see if my other shit works with it 2013-05-03T16:24:37 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T16:31:20 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-03T16:35:57 < qyx_> O_o 150ps comparator, 30€/1 2013-05-03T16:41:34 < gxti> k 2013-05-03T16:42:08 < dongs> ugh 2013-05-03T16:42:08 < dongs> wtf. 2013-05-03T16:43:33 < gxti> i ended up adapting that bootloader into a TFTP (networked) one, not that there was much original code left by the time i finished 2013-05-03T16:43:47 < dongs> haha tftp 2013-05-03T16:43:57 < dongs> hmm, dfuse crap goes through all the motions of working 2013-05-03T16:43:59 < dongs> but nothing happens 2013-05-03T16:44:01 < dongs> da fauq 2013-05-03T16:44:02 < gxti> it gets the job done, i guess 2013-05-03T16:44:19 < gxti> a web thing would e nice but i'm lazy and that takes up program memory i could use for actual stuff 2013-05-03T16:44:22 < dongs> do i need to enable clock to flash peripherals? 2013-05-03T16:44:39 < dongs> seems silly 2013-05-03T16:44:52 < dongs> RCC_AHBPeriph_FLITF ?? 2013-05-03T16:45:48 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:250:70ff:fee7:41ec] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-03T16:46:03 < dongs> hmm 2013-05-03T16:47:18 < dongs> time to blink leds 2013-05-03T16:47:19 < dongs> lol 2013-05-03T16:50:19 < Laurenceb> i hope they are blue 2013-05-03T16:50:28 < dongs> its rgb. 2013-05-03T16:52:34 < zyp> dongs, yes, FLITF need to be enabled 2013-05-03T16:52:59 < dongs> zyp: the comment in the shit seems to imply otherwise 2013-05-03T16:53:04 < dongs> 'only if flash device is in power down state' 2013-05-03T16:53:13 < dongs> i'd imagine when running from flash it should be powered up no? 2013-05-03T16:54:08 < gxti> my bootloader does not mention FLITF 2013-05-03T16:54:10 < dongs> fuck yeah it did work 2013-05-03T16:54:16 < dongs> i had wrong logic on upgrade button shit 2013-05-03T16:54:20 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T16:54:20 < dongs> it was always going to bootloader cause of that 2013-05-03T16:54:31 < dongs> woot 2013-05-03T16:55:04 < Laurenceb> quadraspazzed 2013-05-03T17:20:31 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T17:25:29 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-03T17:25:39 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T17:34:32 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-03T17:36:10 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-212-201-76-2.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T17:39:57 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T17:42:38 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-03T17:44:55 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-03T17:49:27 -!- sterna2 [~Adium@62.127.211.186] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-03T17:50:39 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-212-201-76-2.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-03T17:50:48 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@194.17.253.121] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-05-03T17:51:42 < dongs> wassup with no chats?? 2013-05-03T17:53:50 < Laurenceb> http://www.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/~jem/images/icon.jpg 2013-05-03T17:56:27 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T17:57:04 < Laurenceb> not at freaky 2013-05-03T17:59:47 < Laurenceb> +all 2013-05-03T18:00:03 < Laurenceb> i want that on my desk 2013-05-03T18:06:55 < zyp> not surprised 2013-05-03T18:07:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-03T18:12:54 -!- capacitor [7bf38bbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.187] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T18:13:04 < dongs> zyp, any progress with backlight stuff? 2013-05-03T18:13:07 < dongs> is it failing/working? 2013-05-03T18:13:25 < dongs> was too busy installing lunix 2013-05-03T18:13:56 < zyp> it's working 2013-05-03T18:14:00 < dongs> oh nice 2013-05-03T18:14:21 < zyp> but I already mentioned that 2013-05-03T18:14:23 < dongs> doing same shit I did? or something diff 2013-05-03T18:14:26 < dongs> no you didnt 2013-05-03T18:14:31 < dongs> you said you could read chip ID 2013-05-03T18:14:39 < zyp> I just forgot to set I2C pins to OD 2013-05-03T18:14:43 < dongs> right 2013-05-03T18:15:25 < dongs> but i mean did you get it to backlight properly? 2013-05-03T18:16:12 < zyp> I get it to light up and can adjust brightness 2013-05-03T18:16:18 < zyp> I haven't tested more than that yet 2013-05-03T18:17:43 < dongs> col 2013-05-03T18:17:45 < dongs> cool 2013-05-03T18:18:56 < capacitor> hello all microcontrollers 2013-05-03T18:22:41 < dongs> < capacitor> hello all microcontrollers 2013-05-03T18:24:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T18:27:54 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T18:28:15 < Robint91> hi all 2013-05-03T18:31:12 < capacitor> welcome Robint91 2013-05-03T18:36:11 < dongs> zyp, something about quads can only be < 60gram in norgay confirm/deny 2013-05-03T18:36:30 < zyp> no idea 2013-05-03T18:38:56 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-180142.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T18:40:30 -!- Ranewen [a135b3e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.161.53.179.232] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T18:47:43 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T18:47:43 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-03T18:47:43 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T18:47:46 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-05-03T18:49:10 < Laurenceb> http://n-prize.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=372 2013-05-03T18:51:20 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 2013-05-03T18:51:27 < Laurenceb> its soo baaaddd 2013-05-03T18:51:38 < capacitor> i don't quite follow 2013-05-03T18:51:47 < Laurenceb> monroe == dongs 2013-05-03T18:52:59 < capacitor> so he's some loon high off drugs ranting on? 2013-05-03T18:53:13 < Laurenceb> looks like it 2013-05-03T18:53:33 < Laurenceb> http://n-prize.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=34&sid=a45bed80bda08cf11e1178ed8c6ea31a 2013-05-03T18:53:34 < dongs> dead forum? 2013-05-03T18:53:50 < capacitor> too bad for the rocket then.... whatever the hell he's on about... 2013-05-03T18:55:01 < Laurenceb> these guys are so high 2013-05-03T18:55:03 < Laurenceb> http://www.nebula-aerospace.com/ 2013-05-03T18:55:52 < capacitor> i saw a picture of bathroom scales and a hammer... 2013-05-03T18:56:20 < Laurenceb> cuz thats how you launch into space 2013-05-03T18:56:27 < capacitor> clearly 2013-05-03T18:57:37 < capacitor> hmmm 2013-05-03T18:57:51 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LydYQdaYwHA&feature=player_detailpage#t=37s 2013-05-03T18:57:53 < Laurenceb> hahahaha 2013-05-03T18:57:57 < Laurenceb> truly epic lolz 2013-05-03T18:58:02 < capacitor> well thanks for sharing that i probably can't post any of my regular sites here 2013-05-03T18:58:20 < Laurenceb> O_o 2013-05-03T18:58:40 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T18:59:06 < Laurenceb> xhamster.com? 2013-05-03T18:59:08 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/VLF3010AT-2R2M1R0/445-3215-1-ND/1132856 god damn this shit is expensive 2013-05-03T18:59:38 < capacitor> gotta love the $40 postage for $2.00 worth of parts too, a real winner 2013-05-03T19:00:02 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LydYQdaYwHA&feature=player_detailpage#t=218s 2013-05-03T19:00:16 < Laurenceb> lolz unmitigated fail all the way through 2013-05-03T19:00:42 < dongs> r0fl 2013-05-03T19:00:42 < capacitor> yeah they should have tried something easier like the stm32 2013-05-03T19:00:53 < Laurenceb> or jumping off a cliff 2013-05-03T19:01:00 < capacitor> either will do 2013-05-03T19:01:08 < capacitor> the stm32 is rewarding 2013-05-03T19:01:15 < dongs> fucking digikey down 2013-05-03T19:01:32 < Laurenceb> that guy jumping off a cliff is rewarding for the rest of us 2013-05-03T19:01:58 < capacitor> lol 2013-05-03T19:02:31 < Laurenceb> http://n-prize.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=355 2013-05-03T19:02:33 < Laurenceb> i lolled 2013-05-03T19:03:04 < capacitor> i have no idea 2013-05-03T19:03:34 < Laurenceb> amateur space launch challenge 2013-05-03T19:03:55 < Laurenceb> which turned into epic fail about 2008 and has been getting worse ever since 2013-05-03T19:04:32 < capacitor> i figured it was something like that 2013-05-03T19:05:08 < Laurenceb> if you make a project too hard only nutters will be attracted and it will go downhill from that point 2013-05-03T19:05:42 < capacitor> yeah well i know for sure I wouldn't bother with that 2013-05-03T19:05:53 < capacitor> I'm happy making the stm32 project 2013-05-03T19:05:55 < Laurenceb> its doable 2013-05-03T19:06:14 < Laurenceb> using commercial high power motors from ATK and good composite skillz 2013-05-03T19:06:23 < capacitor> i might play around with the ADC soon 2013-05-03T19:06:29 < Laurenceb> but no-one on there has a clue 2013-05-03T19:06:52 < capacitor> sounds like a win 2013-05-03T19:07:46 < Laurenceb> obviously you have to move to Nevada or somewhere to have a chance of organising something like that without paperwork hell 2013-05-03T19:08:29 < capacitor> yeah 2013-05-03T19:08:40 < capacitor> i think they'd call the cops if i built a rocket in my back yard 2013-05-03T19:09:53 < Laurenceb> even those nutters are sane enough to do it in the desert 2013-05-03T19:10:20 < capacitor> the ADC is fun 2013-05-03T19:10:46 < Laurenceb> " rocket propellant out of wood pencil sharpener shavings soaked in a saturated solution of KNO3 that were then packed and dried." 2013-05-03T19:10:49 < Laurenceb> epic lol 2013-05-03T19:11:13 < capacitor> so thats how you make a rocket? 2013-05-03T19:11:36 < Laurenceb> thats how that guy made a smoky band in the desert.. yes 2013-05-03T19:11:41 < Laurenceb> *bang 2013-05-03T19:12:05 < capacitor> so like 2013-05-03T19:12:13 < capacitor> what should we do about this? 2013-05-03T19:12:50 < capacitor> "Dear DIY Rocket community. I think you are stupid. From Capacitor" 2013-05-03T19:12:57 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-05-03T19:13:07 < Laurenceb> arduino kind of proves that 2013-05-03T19:13:20 < capacitor> Oooooh this changes everything 2013-05-03T19:13:26 -!- Ranewen [a135b3e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.161.53.179.232] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-05-03T19:13:35 < capacitor> so it will run off an arduino ey 2013-05-03T19:13:53 < Laurenceb> yeah they are using ardupilot 2013-05-03T19:14:08 < capacitor> rofl okay I don't even yeah . . mmm 2013-05-03T19:15:34 < capacitor> looks pretty cool 2013-05-03T19:15:44 < dongs> k ordered up parts for 27 more jewpad thingies 2013-05-03T19:15:48 < dongs> time to dickstart and go in production 2013-05-03T19:15:56 < zyp> :p 2013-05-03T19:17:09 < capacitor> im going to make ardupilot cat 2013-05-03T19:17:26 < capacitor> i wonder if it can navigate to my friends house 2013-05-03T19:18:00 < Laurenceb> cat? 2013-05-03T19:18:07 < Laurenceb> brain augmentation? 2013-05-03T19:18:12 < capacitor> why not hey 2013-05-03T19:18:31 -!- Mobyfab [~Mobyfab@80.239.168.84] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-03T19:18:33 < capacitor> you could wire up some type of electric stimulation to get him to move about 2013-05-03T19:19:18 < Laurenceb> then attach kitty suicide vest and send to PETA 2013-05-03T19:19:52 < Laurenceb> http://theartofthomfoolery.blogspot.co.uk/2009_05_01_archive.html 2013-05-03T19:19:58 < Laurenceb> why did i know this would exist 2013-05-03T19:20:51 < Robint91> wut 2013-05-03T19:21:02 < Robint91> LWIP and FreeRTOS are running on my F4 2013-05-03T19:22:15 < zyp> I've been dicking around with lwip at work recently 2013-05-03T19:22:21 < zyp> can't really say I like it 2013-05-03T19:22:32 < capacitor> nice little smasher 2013-05-03T19:23:15 < Robint91> zyp, yeah, I'm not fond of it also 2013-05-03T19:23:15 < karlp> got any alternatives zyp? 2013-05-03T19:23:25 < zyp> not really 2013-05-03T19:24:25 < karlp> what are the problems with it anyway? 2013-05-03T19:25:11 < zyp> I don't like how netconn_recv() just gives me a buffer of data with some size, without allowing me to choose how much of it I want to consume 2013-05-03T19:26:04 < zyp> so if it's giving me more data than I'm currently ready to handle, I have to keep the netbuf pointer around until I'm ready to handle more data 2013-05-03T19:26:55 < zyp> http://lwip.wikia.com/wiki/Receiving_data_with_LWIP 2013-05-03T19:27:05 < Robint91> damm it is slow 2013-05-03T19:27:07 < Robint91> pff 2013-05-03T19:27:48 < zyp> though, to be honest I've only worked with the netconn api, since that's what the rest of the stuff I'm working with is already using 2013-05-03T19:30:44 < Robint91> takes 3s to load 9.7KB 2013-05-03T19:30:45 < zyp> also, the callback API is silly 2013-05-03T19:30:46 < Robint91> pff 2013-05-03T19:31:33 < zyp> there is no decent way to supply an argument to the callback registered to a netconn object 2013-05-03T19:31:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.251.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T19:32:08 < zyp> like a pointer to the parent object owning the netconn 2013-05-03T19:33:46 < zyp> there is however an integer in the socket object that will hold the socket number if you use the socket api, since it's built on top of the netconn stuff 2013-05-03T19:34:03 < Robint91> zyp, I'm using the socket stuff 2013-05-03T19:34:07 < zyp> since I'm not using the socket api, that field is free, so I'm abusing it to hold my pointer 2013-05-03T19:34:21 < zyp> how do you like it? 2013-05-03T19:34:21 < Robint91> which is kinda nice, but OH SO SLOW 2013-05-03T19:34:31 < zyp> yeah 2013-05-03T19:34:44 < zyp> I looked through the implementation, it didn't seem very efficient 2013-05-03T19:34:52 < capacitor> better chuck it then 2013-05-03T19:35:02 < Tectu> morning 2013-05-03T19:35:59 < Robint91> zyp, what performance do you get? 2013-05-03T19:36:16 < zyp> no idea, haven't measured 2013-05-03T19:36:17 < Robint91> I'm only around a few kiB/s 2013-05-03T19:36:30 < Robint91> for a full blown F4 2013-05-03T19:37:13 < zyp> I think people were talking about the http server being able to serve files at 300 kB/s or so 2013-05-03T19:37:40 < Robint91> okay 2013-05-03T19:37:46 < Robint91> for got to enable the PLL 2013-05-03T19:37:49 < Robint91> WTF 2013-05-03T19:37:56 < Robint91> *forgot 2013-05-03T19:38:04 < zyp> huh? 2013-05-03T19:38:17 < zyp> how do you even get ethernet working then :p 2013-05-03T19:38:23 < Robint91> EXACTLY 2013-05-03T19:38:24 < Robint91> WTF 2013-05-03T19:38:47 < zyp> oh, I guess RMII is clocked by the phy, so it's independent 2013-05-03T19:38:59 < Robint91> zyp, but isn't ethernet clocked by the phy? 2013-05-03T19:39:14 < zyp> that's what I just said 2013-05-03T19:39:20 < zyp> well, it depends on your setup 2013-05-03T19:39:33 < zyp> on my waveshare board, RMII is clocked by the PHY board 2013-05-03T19:39:51 < Robint91> ZE POWAH OF DA PLL 2013-05-03T19:39:56 < Robint91> wut 2013-05-03T19:40:53 < Robint91> it's fast 2013-05-03T19:53:26 -!- capacitor [7bf38bbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.187] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-03T19:55:19 < karlp> did that fix your lwip too? 2013-05-03T19:56:20 < Robint91> yeah 2013-05-03T19:56:39 < Robint91> the ST is running 8MHz which is kinda slow 2013-05-03T19:56:46 < Robint91> moving to 168MHz changes a lot 2013-05-03T19:58:54 < Laurenceb> what are you uploading to? 2013-05-03T19:59:12 < Robint91> ? 2013-05-03T20:00:10 < Laurenceb> oh i thought you were using ftp 2013-05-03T20:00:40 < Robint91> http 2013-05-03T20:03:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=segway_more_complicated_than_it_needs_to_be 2013-05-03T20:03:22 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-05-03T20:03:36 < Laurenceb> "superfluous bullshit like high-voltage field-effect transistors or FETs" 2013-05-03T20:03:38 < Laurenceb> fail 2013-05-03T20:04:29 < Robint91> "but I guarantee some nerd spent months writing a graduate thesis on why it's important (and failing). " I lolled 2013-05-03T20:09:55 < Laurenceb> meanwhile at troll academy http://media.tumblr.com/7c02512721db7b96a6c12730a001e295/tumblr_inline_mlvgr0LViK1qz4rgp.jpg 2013-05-03T20:13:21 < gxti> so much crap 2013-05-03T20:15:30 < gxti> zyp: i came to the same conclusion, lwip is the most terrible thing except for everything else 2013-05-03T20:16:48 < Robint91> gxti, yeah 2013-05-03T20:17:06 < Robint91> why isn't there a good and modern embedded tcp/ip stack? 2013-05-03T20:17:09 < gxti> i'm using NO_SYS mode currently because for some reason the latency was too high due to chibios shenanigans 2013-05-03T20:17:20 < gxti> qyx_ was getting much better results using the same stack, who knows why 2013-05-03T20:17:37 < gxti> doesn't bother me since my app is just udp stuff 2013-05-03T20:17:44 < gxti> easy to work into the main lwip loop 2013-05-03T20:21:11 < gxti> at some point i need to see if contiki is any use, probably not. it has the possibility of solving both my "i hate modified GPL" problem and my lwip problem at once but i bet it's crap 2013-05-03T20:22:32 < qyx_> gxti: btw, why you use vcxo to adjust freq precisely to 10MHz? 2013-05-03T20:23:18 < gxti> because it works. fwiw rev 5 doesn't do that anymore. 2013-05-03T20:23:42 < gxti> you can use it as a crude gpsdo but i don't really want to go down that road right now 2013-05-03T20:24:02 < qyx_> some time ago when i was about to do the same (ntp server) i just wanted to connect 1pps to input capture channel on some timer 2013-05-03T20:24:16 < qyx_> to measure how many ticks is in 1 second 2013-05-03T20:24:17 < gxti> it's just soft pll vs hard pll 2013-05-03T20:24:26 < gxti> the control loop is the same 2013-05-03T20:24:45 < gxti> soft pll is probably better at soft stuff, although both are well below the noise floor of ntp 2013-05-03T20:24:59 < qyx_> thats true 2013-05-03T20:25:35 < gxti> one small advantage is that there's almost no math when answering the ntp query, because it just reads the counter and multiplies by a fixed scalar to get into ntp format 2013-05-03T20:26:57 < gxti> i seriously doubt that's going to have any actual effect on performance though 2013-05-03T20:28:04 < gxti> but yeah, latest rev i just used a $2 txco. about the same cost as the vcxo was, but i don't need analog stuff to drive it, and it will have much better immunity to ambient temperature and not rely on GPS to correct for it 2013-05-03T20:41:02 < karlp> gxti: contiki is where lwip came from, so don't expect anything different there 2013-05-03T20:41:26 < gxti> true, but it's probably integrated better than the sample chibios bindings 2013-05-03T20:41:36 < karlp> well, yeah, one would hope :) 2013-05-03T20:41:46 < gxti> you never know. the stakes are a lot lower :p 2013-05-03T20:41:57 < karlp> not an awful lot of ethernet in contiki though, mostly targetting radios 2013-05-03T20:42:34 < karlp> but if you're interested.... https://github.com/karlp/contiki-outoftree 2013-05-03T20:42:36 < gxti> it's possible that even contiki's IP stack sucks eggs and it's the non-IP stuff that's "Awesome" 2013-05-03T20:42:59 < karlp> a lot of it stills seems to be academia 2013-05-03T20:43:02 * karlp shrugs 2013-05-03T20:43:09 < karlp> if you want full networking, you install linux 2013-05-03T20:43:37 < karlp> if you're running on mains, I don't see any reason not to 2013-05-03T20:43:44 < gxti> yeah but this thing already costs twice what a derpberry pi does and it's just a f107 :| 2013-05-03T20:44:11 < karlp> this yoru ntp thing? 2013-05-03T20:44:17 < gxti> yes 2013-05-03T20:45:08 < Tectu> http://chibios-gfx.com/blog/108-version-1-6-released 2013-05-03T20:48:58 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-212-201-76-2.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T20:58:28 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-03T21:10:54 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.125.111] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T21:16:42 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@109.48.125.16] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T21:17:06 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.125.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-03T21:20:37 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a94-133-98-150.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T21:21:14 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@109.48.125.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-03T21:21:34 -!- Luggi_ is now known as Luggi09 2013-05-03T21:24:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T21:24:28 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@109.48.125.111] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T21:25:30 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a94-133-98-150.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-05-03T21:27:16 -!- fxd0h [~fx@186.22.65.34] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T21:31:08 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@109.48.125.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-03T21:34:11 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.125.16] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T21:43:20 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.125.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-05-03T21:45:40 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T21:53:23 -!- Ranewen [a135b3e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.161.53.179.226] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T21:54:33 < Ranewen> evening 2013-05-03T21:55:27 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T22:01:12 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T22:01:25 < R2COM> soo 2013-05-03T22:01:33 < R2COM> messing with some SPI memory chip with stm32 2013-05-03T22:02:00 < R2COM> stm32 configured as SPI master, and I just wanted to send some command to that memory chip, command was RDID (just read ID of chip) 2013-05-03T22:02:20 < R2COM> it didnt work, although the timing measured on pins of memory chip looked right on scope 2013-05-03T22:02:43 < R2COM> its like, byte has to be sent to memory chip, right after it has to respond with a byte containing Manufacturer ID 2013-05-03T22:03:25 < R2COM> later once I rechecked everything, and tried again.. (made sure that CS pulled low appropriately) I kind of noticed that my SCK stops from STM32 right after sending a request byte! 2013-05-03T22:03:36 < R2COM> and I was like ...ah that must be a reason 2013-05-03T22:04:00 < R2COM> so I put in additional command for send request (to keep SCK toggling) 2013-05-03T22:04:11 < R2COM> and then it worked, memory chip responded with its Manufacturer ID. 2013-05-03T22:04:36 < R2COM> so question is, what is the way to make STM32 keep toggling SCK? 2013-05-03T22:04:50 < R2COM> (unless I really want to stop transmission for example) 2013-05-03T22:08:37 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/IN302fE.jpg 2013-05-03T22:08:38 < Erlkoenig> since any SPI module *always* needs to transmit something if the clock is clocking, you need to transmit something (even if its 0 or 0xFF or whatever a NOP looks to the Chip) 2013-05-03T22:08:47 < R2COM> see that diagram 2013-05-03T22:08:51 < R2COM> top is SCK 2013-05-03T22:08:59 < R2COM> bottom is signal coming from memory chip 2013-05-03T22:09:19 < R2COM> signal which I send to memory chip is not shown, but it occurs when SCK is toggling 2013-05-03T22:09:28 < Erlkoenig> during the first 8 toggles? 2013-05-03T22:09:41 < R2COM> it can be seen that: there is one byte transmission first, in which I send request for ID command to Memory chip 2013-05-03T22:09:52 < R2COM> then after that some pause, then I send some dummy byte 2013-05-03T22:10:03 < R2COM> (in my case just another memory request actually) 2013-05-03T22:10:18 < R2COM> and only then as you see memory chip responds with 0xC2 (which is its correct ID) 2013-05-03T22:10:32 < Erlkoenig> thats the point with SPI.. you can't "just send" or "just receive" - you ALWAYS have to receive AND send, so you always have to send at least a dummy byte or next command to receive something 2013-05-03T22:11:04 < R2COM> hmmm but I remember on another chip longer time before I did it different way... 2013-05-03T22:11:16 < R2COM> just cant recall...but I remember I did not have to mess with dummy stuff.. 2013-05-03T22:11:17 < R2COM> hmmmm 2013-05-03T22:11:36 < Erlkoenig> some chips do 16bit-Transfers, where you send your command during the first 8 clock pulses, and the chip responds during the next 8 pulses 2013-05-03T22:12:00 < Erlkoenig> and the thing you sent during the last 8 pulses is ignored, and the the other chip just sends 0 or 0xFF during the first 8 pulses 2013-05-03T22:12:41 < Erlkoenig> or perhaps equivalent with 8bit-Transfers and 4bit-Command & 4bit-Reply 2013-05-03T22:13:14 < R2COM> so looks like this memory chip with stm32 wants just SCK to be toggling always 2013-05-03T22:13:19 < R2COM> in order to respond 2013-05-03T22:13:47 < Erlkoenig> not always, it probably needs 8 clock cycles to answer 2013-05-03T22:14:02 < Erlkoenig> and you can send a command or a dummy byte ("NOP") during those 8 cycles 2013-05-03T22:17:08 < R2COM> hmmm 2013-05-03T22:17:34 < R2COM> if I were to implement it with cpld or fpga, I bet I could just keep toggling sck and not send nop and it should work 2013-05-03T22:17:44 < Erlkoenig> no it wouldn't work 2013-05-03T22:17:56 < R2COM> because it *needs* something on its DATA IN pin? 2013-05-03T22:17:56 < emeb> just send null data - that's what I've always done. 2013-05-03T22:18:05 < Erlkoenig> because after those 8 cycles you would implicitly start a new transfer, so you are transferring 8 new bits 2013-05-03T22:18:07 < R2COM> also.. look at my sdnapshot again 2013-05-03T22:18:13 < R2COM> see there is some discontinuity in SCK 2013-05-03T22:18:21 < R2COM> but Memory chip reacts normally to it 2013-05-03T22:18:23 < emeb> that discontinuity is OK. 2013-05-03T22:18:26 < Erlkoenig> if these 8 bits are by chance not a NOP command the chip does random stuff 2013-05-03T22:18:37 < emeb> because the memory chip doesn't see time between clock edges 2013-05-03T22:18:45 < emeb> it thinks they're contiguous 2013-05-03T22:18:56 < Erlkoenig> yes since SPI must not just output a continuous clock 2013-05-03T22:19:06 < R2COM> hmmm 2013-05-03T22:19:06 < Erlkoenig> SPI only outputs clock pulses if there is data to shift out 2013-05-03T22:19:13 < emeb> ^that 2013-05-03T22:19:23 < R2COM> thats what I see in description yes 2013-05-03T22:19:33 < R2COM> its just well thought some chips react differently then 2013-05-03T22:19:38 < emeb> and the memory chip isn't expecting a command during the time it's been asked to reply, so what you send doesn't matter. 2013-05-03T22:19:39 < Erlkoenig> imagine SPI as 2 connected shift registers. you don't want to clock them continuously because you'd constantly be shifting data 2013-05-03T22:19:42 < R2COM> but this one seems to really want *null* data right after request 2013-05-03T22:19:50 < R2COM> yeah.. 2013-05-03T22:20:15 < Erlkoenig> an edge on SCK means "here comes one bit" 2013-05-03T22:20:50 < R2COM> hmm 2013-05-03T22:20:50 < R2COM> but 2013-05-03T22:20:58 < R2COM> my memory chip does not have anything like NOP 2013-05-03T22:21:15 < Erlkoenig> then continue with reading its ID... 2013-05-03T22:21:21 < R2COM> heh 2013-05-03T22:21:33 < R2COM> in fact thats what I did 2013-05-03T22:21:43 < R2COM> on that diagram I posted, i send RDID, then again RDID 2013-05-03T22:21:47 < R2COM> only then it started responding 2013-05-03T22:21:54 < Erlkoenig> so while you send the next command, you will receive the devices ID, and the byte after that will be the response 2013-05-03T22:21:55 < R2COM> its just.. I dont know looks kinda phony to me 2013-05-03T22:21:59 < stephendwyer> what chip is it? datasheet? 2013-05-03T22:22:37 < R2COM> http://www.macronix.com/QuickPlace/hq/PageLibrary4825740B00298A3B.nsf/h_Index/3F21BAC2E121E17848257639003A3146/$File/MX25L25635E,%203V,%20256Mb,%20v1.3.pdf 2013-05-03T22:23:02 < R2COM> Page 53, Figure 12 2013-05-03T22:23:47 < R2COM> I had to send RDID(0x9f) two times one after another to get Manufacturer ID.. any other way (no matter which SPI mode, 0 or 3) did not work 2013-05-03T22:24:04 < Erlkoenig> yes that's how SPI works. 2013-05-03T22:24:05 < R2COM> and it does not have something like: DUmmy NOP command. 2013-05-03T22:24:13 < Erlkoenig> use RDID as NOP... 2013-05-03T22:24:32 < Erlkoenig> but you only need NOP if you don't want to execute any next command 2013-05-03T22:24:45 < Erlkoenig> if you would do RDID and then some other command, just send them right after each other 2013-05-03T22:24:49 < karlp> that's because most of them expect you to just know that you write 0 to clock something out 2013-05-03T22:24:53 < Erlkoenig> while you transmit that other command, you will receive the ID 2013-05-03T22:24:59 < karlp> loottttttttssssss of spi devices work like this. 2013-05-03T22:25:15 < karlp> write command, keep clocking 0s for the expected response 2013-05-03T22:25:37 < R2COM> yeah 2013-05-03T22:26:02 < R2COM> other than that it all works nicely, its nice chip by the way, can do 80Mhz, and has high capacity 2013-05-03T22:26:17 < R2COM> (although stm32 wont do spi at 80Mhz) 2013-05-03T22:26:23 < karlp> wht do you mean, "other than that" that's normal and usual and not a problem 2013-05-03T22:26:50 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-03T22:26:52 < R2COM> I mean a memory chip and its features 2013-05-03T22:28:17 < R2COM> its a nice chip thats what I wanted to say 2013-05-03T22:38:53 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-03T22:53:57 -!- Mobyfab [Mobyfab@2a01:e35:8a10:c580:1542:23e2:2cd8:6a45] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T22:59:34 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T23:04:57 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-03T23:10:30 < Laurenceb_> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11788 2013-05-03T23:10:36 < Laurenceb_> need photo of it running 2013-05-03T23:11:39 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG8fiff2qB4 2013-05-03T23:11:41 < Laurenceb_> ooh epic 2013-05-03T23:13:10 < sterna1> that was cool 2013-05-03T23:13:23 < sterna1> not very cheap though... 2013-05-03T23:14:05 < R2COM> lol 2013-05-03T23:14:17 < R2COM> you will get a better deal from manufacturer of course 2013-05-03T23:14:18 < Ranewen> il w8 till they add touch 2013-05-03T23:17:42 < Erlkoenig> seems useless 2013-05-03T23:23:59 < sterna1> hmm, you could place one of those in front of another and then shift one just a tiny bit 2013-05-03T23:24:11 < sterna1> and you will double resolution 2013-05-03T23:24:15 < sterna1> :D 2013-05-03T23:24:33 < qyx_> cool 2013-05-03T23:24:35 -!- phantoneD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T23:24:54 < sterna1> yeah, but as Erlkoenig said, seems a little useless 2013-05-03T23:25:16 < sterna1> I really don't see a specific applikation rather than "this looks cool" 2013-05-03T23:25:24 < sterna1> oh, and for google glass 2013-05-03T23:25:59 -!- phantoxeD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-03T23:26:21 < Erlkoenig> maybe HUD-like stuff... adaptive to objects seen behind it 2013-05-03T23:27:03 -!- fxd0h_ [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T23:29:30 -!- fxd0h [~fx@186.22.65.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-03T23:29:30 -!- fxd0h_ is now known as fxd0h 2013-05-03T23:36:31 < sterna1> anyone has a good knowledge on RS485/422? 2013-05-03T23:36:47 < sterna1> I want to use it to speak uart over a longer cable 2013-05-03T23:37:35 < sterna1> from what I understand, all transceivers has a recieve and a transmit (data) pin 2013-05-03T23:37:43 < sterna1> connected more or less directly to the bus 2013-05-03T23:37:54 < sterna1> such as http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/405/sn75176b-201537.pdf 2013-05-03T23:38:32 -!- Mobyfab [Mobyfab@2a01:e35:8a10:c580:1542:23e2:2cd8:6a45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-03T23:38:38 -!- inca [~inca@fox.mps.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T23:38:43 < sterna1> I suppose I cannot just connect RX and TX to data and receive 2013-05-03T23:38:52 < sterna1> and speak normal uart 2013-05-03T23:38:53 < karlp> back up a bit, what? 2013-05-03T23:39:12 < sterna1> ok, restart 2013-05-03T23:39:14 < karlp> 485 is half duplex, 2013-05-03T23:39:23 < karlp> so no, not normally. 2013-05-03T23:39:34 < Erlkoenig> CAN ftw 2013-05-03T23:39:42 < sterna1> meh, not CAN 2013-05-03T23:39:49 < karlp> you _can_ get dual 485 transceivers, so you have an a/b pair for tx and an a/b pair for rx, 2013-05-03T23:39:54 < sterna1> ok 2013-05-03T23:40:26 < sterna1> and how does it differ from 422? 2013-05-03T23:40:31 < karlp> or, depending on your protocol, you use a pin to control the tx-enable/_rx-enable pin(s) if half duplex is ok. 2013-05-03T23:40:34 -!- inca [~inca@fox.mps.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-03T23:40:36 < Erlkoenig> CAN has integrated arbitration and priorization 2013-05-03T23:40:43 < karlp> 422 is the same, just point to poitn instead of point to multipoint 2013-05-03T23:41:07 < karlp> can has tiny packets and requries even more hardware. 2013-05-03T23:41:09 < karlp> 485 is pretty nice. 2013-05-03T23:41:18 -!- inca [~inca@fox.mps.ohio-state.edu] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T23:41:20 < Erlkoenig> CAN just requires a stupid CAN Transceiver 2013-05-03T23:41:23 < Posterdati> hi 2013-05-03T23:41:25 < Robint91> RS644 > RS422 2013-05-03T23:41:33 < sterna1> in this case, CAN is not an issue 2013-05-03T23:41:33 < Erlkoenig> but the packet size is small indeed 2013-05-03T23:41:48 < Laurenceb_> RS485 is nice 2013-05-03T23:41:55 < karlp> Robint91: is 644 lvds ? 2013-05-03T23:42:03 < Robint91> karlp, yes 2013-05-03T23:42:15 < sterna1> it's mostly going to me one master sending to a bunch of slavews 2013-05-03T23:42:21 < karlp> yeah, sure, but it's really only any help if you want to go mcuh higher speeds. 2013-05-03T23:42:45 < Robint91> karlp, or longer lenghts 2013-05-03T23:42:47 < sterna1> return data is not 100% needed 2013-05-03T23:42:54 < karlp> Robint91: how long are you talking about? 2013-05-03T23:42:59 < sterna1> and speed is not important either 2013-05-03T23:43:07 < Robint91> sterna1, how long? 2013-05-03T23:43:17 < Robint91> sterna1, what speeds? 2013-05-03T23:43:22 < Ranewen> how many devices ? 2013-05-03T23:43:48 < sterna1> it's going to be to for a large 7-segment display 2013-05-03T23:43:51 < ds2> isn't current loop beter? 2013-05-03T23:43:59 < karlp> fuck that 2013-05-03T23:44:02 < sterna1> no 2013-05-03T23:44:05 < sterna1> not current loop 2013-05-03T23:44:08 < ds2> why? 2013-05-03T23:44:12 < sterna1> distance, a couple of meters 2013-05-03T23:44:16 < Robint91> current loops are like 666 2013-05-03T23:44:32 < ds2> thought they were very noise resistant? 2013-05-03T23:44:39 < ds2> never used it, just heard about them 2013-05-03T23:44:40 < karlp> so is rs485/644/422 2013-05-03T23:44:45 < sterna1> yes, but that noise resistance is not needed 2013-05-03T23:44:52 < ds2> oh 2013-05-03T23:44:56 < karlp> any of the diff pair stuff will be mor enoise resistance 2013-05-03T23:45:05 < sterna1> or, at least not the level of noise resistance that a current loop would give 2013-05-03T23:45:05 < ds2> really? 2013-05-03T23:45:26 < sterna1> and it should also be easy to hook up additional units 2013-05-03T23:45:45 < sterna1> as for the number of units, less than 10-15 units 2013-05-03T23:45:48 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T23:46:07 < karlp> so you really want, a) multidrop, b) x meters, c) 5-30 units, d)57600 baud or so? 2013-05-03T23:46:11 < Ranewen> w8 i can look my table 2013-05-03T23:46:42 < sterna1> karlp: multidrop, not familiar with that terminology 2013-05-03T23:46:49 < sterna1> but the other, sure 2013-05-03T23:47:04 < karlp> point-to-multipoint vs point2point 2013-05-03T23:47:14 < sterna1> more like point-to-multipoint 2013-05-03T23:47:30 < karlp> right, rs485 will b ejust fine then. 2013-05-03T23:47:48 < sterna1> I mean, clock shift registers works most of the times 2013-05-03T23:47:50 < karlp> st has app notes on togglign to the tx-enable pins too. 2013-05-03T23:47:57 < sterna1> but sometimes it get's really weird errors 2013-05-03T23:48:22 < Robint91> sterna1, why not implement a higherlayer like DMX512? 2013-05-03T23:48:34 < Robint91> sterna1, or do you need feedback? 2013-05-03T23:48:46 -!- inca [~inca@fox.mps.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-03T23:48:47 < Ranewen> sorry im 2 lazy to get my notebook with protocols ;P, but i agree with rs485 2013-05-03T23:48:54 < sterna1> feedback is not nececassry 2013-05-03T23:49:26 < sterna1> but, I thought about using a bus system I've used before, where the message passes through all nodes 2013-05-03T23:50:02 < sterna1> so, tx from master is connected to rx on the first slave, tx from the first slave is connected to rx on the second and so on until the last slave connects it's tx back to the masters rx 2013-05-03T23:50:22 < qyx_> huh? 2013-05-03T23:50:39 < sterna1> and when you send a message, you have an adress contained within the data packet which each slave node decreases and passes on 2013-05-03T23:50:45 < karlp> you can do that 2013-05-03T23:50:49 -!- inca [~inca@143.sub-174-252-211.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-03T23:50:49 < karlp> but htat' s no trs485 2013-05-03T23:50:51 < karlp> that's token ring 2013-05-03T23:50:56 < karlp> well.... 2013-05-03T23:50:57 < karlp> sorry, 2013-05-03T23:51:00 < karlp> let me back up. 2013-05-03T23:51:10 < sterna1> well, not entirely token ring, right? 2013-05-03T23:51:11 < karlp> rs485 is very low level, 2013-05-03T23:51:22 < karlp> it doesn't define how you talk 2013-05-03T23:51:38 < karlp> but it's only half duplex unless you use a transceiver and a diff pair for rx as well as tx 2013-05-03T23:51:39 < sterna1> yeah, RS485 is only the hardware layer, in contrary to what many people beleive 2013-05-03T23:52:04 < sterna1> well, you can always put two transceievers on each board 2013-05-03T23:52:10 < karlp> that's what I mean 2013-05-03T23:52:16 < karlp> but then you also need 4 wires between them 2013-05-03T23:52:21 < karlp> but that does give you full duplex 2013-05-03T23:52:51 < sterna1> actually, between each node I only need 2 signal cables 2013-05-03T23:53:02 < karlp> the way it's often used you just have a master that sends, all devices see it, and then one device replies 2013-05-03T23:53:06 < sterna1> but then I need to get the return signal back to the master 2013-05-03T23:53:09 < karlp> and that's defined by higher protocols 2013-05-03T23:53:13 < karlp> modbus et al 2013-05-03T23:53:28 < sterna1> yeah, and those are nice protocols 2013-05-03T23:53:29 < karlp> you need 4 signal cables if you want to have full duplex :) 2013-05-03T23:53:31 < Laurenceb_> its used for quite a few servos 2013-05-03T23:53:50 < sterna1> one master to keep evertyhing in order 2013-05-03T23:55:17 < Posterdati> hi 2013-05-03T23:55:25 < sterna1> so, when using an rs485 transceiver ( such as http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/405/sn75176b-201537.pdf) I can leave the R-pin disconnected on the ones that are only going transmit? 2013-05-03T23:55:54 < karlp> well, yeah, 2013-05-03T23:56:11 < karlp> but if they're nly ever going to transmit, how are htye going to know when they can? 2013-05-03T23:56:52 < Posterdati> I'm trying to use the hid demo for stm32f107 (joystick), but I need the stm32f107 to read the usb buffer using something like USBD_HID_SendReport 2013-05-03T23:56:58 < Posterdati> any hints 2013-05-03T23:58:24 < sterna1> karlp: either I'm not going to use an actual bus 2013-05-03T23:58:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.251.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-03T23:58:32 < sterna1> or, not a bus per se 2013-05-03T23:58:55 < sterna1> since communication will only ever be between nodes 2013-05-03T23:59:20 < sterna1> where one node always txes and one node only rxes on this specific peice of cable 2013-05-03T23:59:29 < sterna1> that's one way to do it 2013-05-03T23:59:48 < karlp> how are you planning on wiring this? 2013-05-03T23:59:50 < karlp> I don't follow --- Day changed Sat May 04 2013 2013-05-04T00:00:15 < sterna1> let's see if I can make some ascii art 2013-05-04T00:00:27 < Erlkoenig> 8===D 2013-05-04T00:00:29 < karlp> do you want to have node A being a master for node B, and node B being a master for node C 2013-05-04T00:00:35 < karlp> or some rcazy scheme like that? 2013-05-04T00:00:45 < Ranewen> ( ))====D 2013-05-04T00:01:24 < Ranewen> mine is more powerfull Erlkoenig 2013-05-04T00:01:55 < Erlkoenig> yours seems single core 2013-05-04T00:01:58 < sterna1> karlp: [master tx]------[rx slave1 tx]------[rx slave2 tx]----[rx... ----[rx slave n tx]--->back to master rx 2013-05-04T00:02:10 < sterna1> something like that 2013-05-04T00:02:24 < karlp> fwiw, that sounds insane. 2013-05-04T00:02:40 < sterna1> it's actually quite convinient 2013-05-04T00:02:45 < Erlkoenig> sounds like daisy chain 2013-05-04T00:02:47 < Erlkoenig> SPI like 2013-05-04T00:02:51 < sterna1> yes, daisy chain 2013-05-04T00:02:59 < sterna1> that's the word I was lloking for not 2013-05-04T00:03:03 < karlp> you'll have the same amount of wiring with a regular common 485 bus 2013-05-04T00:03:07 < sterna1> but SPI is not daisy chain? 2013-05-04T00:03:16 < Erlkoenig> SPI can be used as Daisy chain 2013-05-04T00:03:29 < sterna1> every protocol can be daisy chained 2013-05-04T00:03:31 < karlp> without the hassle of only being able to talk to a neighbour 2013-05-04T00:04:05 < sterna1> a friend of mine used it for the ultrasonic sensors he buil 2013-05-04T00:04:06 < sterna1> t 2013-05-04T00:04:11 < sterna1> it's actually really nice 2013-05-04T00:04:21 < sterna1> all sensor can have the exact same code 2013-05-04T00:04:46 < karlp> normally you have master tx-/rx -> 485 transceiver, slave tx/rx to 485 transceiver, A/B lines on the 485 bus all wired in a line. 2013-05-04T00:05:01 < sterna1> yes, that's what you normally do 2013-05-04T00:05:05 < karlp> everyone can talk to everyone, everyone can listen to everyone, and you use a higher level protocl to share it 2013-05-04T00:05:26 < karlp> I don't really quite understand why you want to try and cross wire things to be neighbour to neighbour only 2013-05-04T00:05:30 < karlp> but, dinner time! 2013-05-04T00:05:36 < sterna1> no bus collisions 2013-05-04T00:05:53 < karlp> if you only want do neighbour got neighbour, just do straight uart between them. 2013-05-04T00:05:55 < karlp> or rs422 2013-05-04T00:06:00 < karlp> you're not in multidrop then. 2013-05-04T00:06:02 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-04T00:06:09 < sterna1> yeah, RS422 I could probably use 2013-05-04T00:06:20 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T00:06:25 < sterna1> but from what I understand it's almost the same 2013-05-04T00:06:44 < Erlkoenig> google image search "daisy chain", 1st pic: actual daisy chain, 2nd: something with electronics 2013-05-04T00:07:06 < sterna1> aaw 2013-05-04T00:07:38 < sterna1> and further down a couple of guys in suits while one of them is shaving :S 2013-05-04T00:08:20 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-04T00:08:32 < sterna1> daisy chain project apparently... 2013-05-04T00:13:14 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-05-04T00:15:22 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-05-04T00:15:24 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T00:15:32 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-04T00:15:32 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T00:15:35 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffann] by ChanServ 2013-05-04T00:17:00 < sterna1> well, I'll probably use daisy chained rs422 2013-05-04T00:17:33 < sterna1> or only half duplex rs485 2013-05-04T00:17:47 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-04T00:17:49 < sterna1> I'll talk to the other people here 2013-05-04T00:19:00 < zyp> about what? 2013-05-04T00:19:14 < sterna1> about what protcol to use 2013-05-04T00:19:39 < sterna1> not "here" as in in this channel, but rather the other people involved in this project 2013-05-04T00:20:11 < zyp> sorry for butting into the conversation, I just came in and haven't read up about it 2013-05-04T00:20:51 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T00:21:21 < Erlkoenig> "butting"? :D 2013-05-04T00:21:28 < Erlkoenig> has that something to do with butts? 2013-05-04T00:21:32 < zyp> ass first, you know 2013-05-04T00:21:47 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-04T00:21:52 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T00:21:55 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-05-04T00:21:56 < Erlkoenig> is that oxford english? :D 2013-05-04T00:22:11 < Laurenceb_> i was thinking daisy chain would be something involving butting 2013-05-04T00:22:13 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T00:22:16 < Laurenceb_> knowing the internets 2013-05-04T00:22:16 < zyp> don't ask me, I'm norwegian 2013-05-04T00:22:40 < Erlkoenig> hmmm butts 2013-05-04T00:22:59 < Erlkoenig> i know a very round soft butt 2013-05-04T00:23:04 < zyp> 22:41:07 < karlp> can has tiny packets and requries even more hardware. 2013-05-04T00:23:04 < zyp> 22:41:09 < karlp> 485 is pretty nice. 2013-05-04T00:23:30 < zyp> karlp, that's pretty irrelevant if you already are using a mcu with a can controller 2013-05-04T00:23:49 < zyp> a can phy is not very different from a 485 phy 2013-05-04T00:23:52 < qyx_> speaking of interfaces 2013-05-04T00:24:23 < zyp> you could probably run can signalling over 485 physical layer 2013-05-04T00:24:26 < qyx_> could i somehow make stm32 eth work in half duplex mode in 100mbps? 2013-05-04T00:24:42 < qyx_> i mean using only 1 pair 2013-05-04T00:24:46 < zyp> but the tiny packets thing is a fair argument 2013-05-04T00:25:15 < zyp> qyx_, no 2013-05-04T00:25:26 < Erlkoenig> those tiny packets are designed for realtime data for many nodes in any direction 2013-05-04T00:25:40 < zyp> qyx_, or wait, I might be misinterpreting you 2013-05-04T00:25:59 < qyx_> zyp: why? if loopback is possible and you turn off all that autonegotiation features 2013-05-04T00:26:12 < zyp> I'm sorry 2013-05-04T00:26:13 < qyx_> just connect tx+ to rx+, tx- to rx- 2013-05-04T00:26:20 < qyx_> and all devices togetner then 2013-05-04T00:27:01 < zyp> what I meant is that RMII always has dedicated send and receive lines, but you can of course configure the phy to half duplex 2013-05-04T00:27:06 -!- fiendie [fiendie@ipv6.leela.fiendie.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-04T00:27:07 -!- inca [~inca@143.sub-174-252-211.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-04T00:27:29 < qyx_> yep, mii/rmii has, but i mean using standard eth phy 2013-05-04T00:27:49 < qyx_> like on 10baseT 2013-05-04T00:27:51 < zyp> that should be fine 2013-05-04T00:28:21 <+Steffanx> i wonder why you want to do that qyx_ 2013-05-04T00:28:27 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2013-05-04T00:28:59 < zyp> qyx_, you can also configure it to 10 Mb/s if you want to 2013-05-04T00:29:05 < qyx_> Steffanx: to have cheap fast interconnect between multiple mcu's 2013-05-04T00:29:17 < qyx_> on differential line 2013-05-04T00:29:53 < zyp> for short distances you can actually run RMII directly 2013-05-04T00:29:54 < qyx_> usb might also work if it has some kind of raw mode 2013-05-04T00:30:08 < zyp> raw? 2013-05-04T00:30:25 < qyx_> without host/device roles 2013-05-04T00:30:37 < zyp> no 2013-05-04T00:30:43 < qyx_> with some kind of addressing on tom of that 2013-05-04T00:31:45 -!- Ranewen [a135b3e2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.161.53.179.226] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-05-04T00:31:47 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T00:32:27 < zyp> usb has no way to support multi-master, it's based on having the host scheduling every transfer on the bus 2013-05-04T00:32:39 < zyp> so devices don't talk unless asked to 2013-05-04T00:32:43 < qyx_> thats why i sai raw 2013-05-04T00:32:45 < qyx_> said 2013-05-04T00:32:53 < zyp> raw how? 2013-05-04T00:33:12 < qyx_> just using the phy somehow 2013-05-04T00:33:25 < qyx_> without higher level stuff 2013-05-04T00:33:52 -!- vpopov [~happylife@37-147-202-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T00:34:30 < zyp> you can use the phy and mac, but drop all the standard control commands if you want to 2013-05-04T00:34:51 < zyp> you would still have host/device roles, but you wouldn't have to enumerate the device, just hardcode for it 2013-05-04T00:37:03 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 2013-05-04T00:38:51 < zyp> usb transfers are pretty raw as they are already, you just have all the descriptor stuff to tell the host what everythings mean 2013-05-04T00:47:15 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-04T00:47:34 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T00:52:04 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T01:02:12 < qyx_> hm, stm has some fancy usart modes which can be used for that purpose instead 2013-05-04T01:05:39 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: ….] 2013-05-04T01:07:23 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T01:07:26 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-05-04T01:12:58 < karlp> zyp: sure, if you have a can phy, it might be worth using, but it does still hav etiny packets. 2013-05-04T01:14:16 < karlp> yeah, like you said, 2013-05-04T01:14:21 < karlp> more scrollback whee 2013-05-04T01:17:07 < karlp> it is still good and rightful that music Can is above bosch Can on ze googles 2013-05-04T01:17:43 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@84.sub-75-233-174.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T01:17:56 < Erlkoenig> i think CAN as in Controller Area Network is only on the 1st google page if google knows you :D 2013-05-04T01:18:17 < zyp> 22:41:07 < karlp> can has tiny packets and requries even more hardware. 2013-05-04T01:18:18 < zyp> 22:41:09 < karlp> 485 is pretty nice. 2013-05-04T01:18:26 < zyp> oops 2013-05-04T01:18:38 <+Steffanx> lol 2013-05-04T01:18:39 < zyp> didn't mean to paste that again 2013-05-04T01:19:07 < karlp> heh, ti has bought ad words for stm32 to advertise msp430 2013-05-04T01:19:15 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-04T01:19:36 -!- fxd0h_ [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T01:19:36 < zyp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus is fourth google hit for «can» here 2013-05-04T01:19:56 -!- BJFreeman [~bjfree@84.sub-75-233-174.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-04T01:19:57 < Erlkoenig> for me 2nd hit... probs because i googled CAN stuff a lot ^^ 2013-05-04T01:20:11 < zyp> top two hits are norwegian 2013-05-04T01:20:21 < zyp> and third is «Can (band)» 2013-05-04T01:20:44 < Erlkoenig> 4th is CiA, 10 Bosch webpage 2013-05-04T01:20:57 < zyp> CiA is 7th here 2013-05-04T01:21:04 -!- bairdy [~cjb@ppp121-44-205-216.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T01:21:27 <+Steffanx> Conclusion: results are mainly location/language based? 2013-05-04T01:21:37 < Erlkoenig> and profile based... 2013-05-04T01:21:42 < karlp> http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/20130502-google--ti-adwords-stm32.png 2013-05-04T01:21:58 < karlp> Erlkoenig: true, but I'm not actually logged in at the moment 2013-05-04T01:22:02 < Erlkoenig> lulz... 2013-05-04T01:22:05 < Erlkoenig> erm 2013-05-04T01:22:12 < Erlkoenig> as if googled only tracked you when logged in 2013-05-04T01:22:35 < Erlkoenig> they track everyone everywhere all the time whether they have an account or not 2013-05-04T01:23:26 < Erlkoenig> Banana Product = Mellows at the client 2013-05-04T01:23:36 < karlp> huh, as for can, looks like almost all the stm32's _except_ the ones I regularly use have can. 2013-05-04T01:23:38 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: ….] 2013-05-04T01:23:43 < karlp> no wonder I wasn't as familiar with it 2013-05-04T01:24:01 < zyp> karlp, it's pretty widespread 2013-05-04T01:24:03 < zyp> :p 2013-05-04T01:24:10 < karlp> still only tiny packets 2013-05-04T01:24:15 < zyp> sure 2013-05-04T01:24:47 < Erlkoenig> but priorization and arbitration 2013-05-04T01:24:47 < zyp> but for a binary protocol, 8 bytes of payload may be more than enough 2013-05-04T01:24:48 < karlp> rs485 tranceiver + f100 is still cheaper than f103 :) 2013-05-04T01:24:56 < karlp> indeed. 2013-05-04T01:25:21 < karlp> however, both can and regular rs485 are not what sterna was trying to do with neighbour to neighbour stuff 2013-05-04T01:25:31 < zyp> karlp, what about lpc11cxx? 2013-05-04T01:25:38 < karlp> no idea :) 2013-05-04T01:25:41 < karlp> this is ##stm32 :) 2013-05-04T01:25:41 < zyp> they have internal phy 2013-05-04T01:26:00 < karlp> I don't hate can, I just haven't used it, and I use rs485 :) 2013-05-04T01:26:02 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-05-04T01:26:37 < zyp> hmm, $3 on digikey 2013-05-04T01:28:17 < qyx_> i am just looking on some lvds serdes-es 2013-05-04T01:28:50 < Laurenceb_> http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=youre_not_a_nerd 2013-05-04T01:28:55 < Laurenceb_> thats just genius 2013-05-04T01:29:26 -!- phantoneD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2013-05-04T01:29:36 -!- zlog [~zlog@ip68-102-203-82.ks.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-04T01:32:07 -!- zlog [~zlog@ip68-102-203-82.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T01:32:34 -!- phantoxeD [~destroy@a95-92-84-28.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T01:35:16 < Erlkoenig> Laurenceb_: nice but that stuff about nerd sexiness is stupid whining 2013-05-04T01:36:20 < gxti> more crap 2013-05-04T01:36:51 < Erlkoenig> i was called the nerd prototype :3 2013-05-04T01:37:57 < Laurenceb_> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/math_rules2.jpg 2013-05-04T01:38:07 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJFreeman 2013-05-04T01:38:59 < Erlkoenig> but "nobody needs math" 2013-05-04T01:40:36 < karlp> Laurenceb_: I thought you were a better internet fiend than this. maddox is, as dongs would say, OLD 2013-05-04T01:41:37 < Laurenceb_> yeah i know 2013-05-04T01:41:43 < Laurenceb_> we used to read him at school 2013-05-04T01:41:51 < Laurenceb_> like when i was 12 :P 2013-05-04T01:42:46 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T01:45:25 < Laurenceb_> when ebaums world and ogrish.com was where it was at 2013-05-04T01:45:48 -!- Nutter [Nutter@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-04T01:45:51 < Laurenceb_> along with rotten and totse 2013-05-04T01:46:15 < gxti> and yet you still post 2013-05-04T01:49:03 < bairdy> alt.tasteless 4 lyfe 2013-05-04T01:52:50 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2013-05-04T01:55:22 < R2COM> hmm so LIN is almost like CAN but does not require licensing 2013-05-04T01:56:06 < Erlkoenig> CAN requires licensing? o.O 2013-05-04T01:56:13 < R2COM> I think so 2013-05-04T01:56:20 < gxti> yes but it's paid for when you buy chips with builtin CAN periphs 2013-05-04T01:56:21 < Erlkoenig> my CAN implementation works without licensing :D 2013-05-04T01:56:27 < Laurenceb_> hehe 2013-05-04T01:56:42 < R2COM> Erlkoenig: you will go to guantanamo soon 2013-05-04T01:56:54 < gxti> omg a terrorisms 2013-05-04T01:57:11 < Erlkoenig> no, the americas don't have power everywhere 2013-05-04T01:57:27 < R2COM> depends on whom 2013-05-04T01:57:44 < R2COM> you dont owe s-400 or similar, so you cant say that 2013-05-04T01:57:52 < Laurenceb_> stealth chopper arriving soon 2013-05-04T01:58:09 < Erlkoenig> *grabs rocket launcher* 2013-05-04T01:58:15 < R2COM> haha 2013-05-04T01:58:17 < R2COM> which rocket launcher 2013-05-04T01:58:24 < Erlkoenig> the one below my desk 2013-05-04T01:58:33 < R2COM> that wouldnt do it 2013-05-04T01:58:40 < Laurenceb_> ewww 2013-05-04T01:58:53 * Laurenceb_ passes cleanex 2013-05-04T01:58:57 < Erlkoenig> http://www.tfportal.de/gfx/content/tf2/classes/soldier.gif 2013-05-04T01:59:19 < R2COM> you look weird on that photo 2013-05-04T02:00:46 < Erlkoenig> local radio has new jingles... disturbing 2013-05-04T02:01:12 -!- englishman [~englishma@96.127.225.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-04T02:03:08 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/data_brief/DM00053484.pdf 2013-05-04T02:03:18 -!- englishman [~englishma@96.127.225.172] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T02:03:19 < Laurenceb_> ^i thought it was meant to support SDRAM? 2013-05-04T02:05:52 < Laurenceb_> on 29 or 39 2013-05-04T02:05:56 < Laurenceb_> *on 2013-05-04T02:06:03 < Laurenceb_> arg *oh 2013-05-04T02:06:48 -!- fiendie [fiendie@ipv6.leela.fiendie.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T02:06:53 < Laurenceb_> and lol its not stocked 2013-05-04T02:07:34 < emeb> didn't think those were out yet. 2013-05-04T02:08:08 < Laurenceb_> yeah looks like it, annoying 2013-05-04T02:08:24 < emeb> they were only announced about 2-3 mo ago. 2013-05-04T02:11:27 < karlp> Erlkoenig: your "can implementation" is it the transceiver or just something that uses can? 2013-05-04T02:11:46 < Erlkoenig> uh just a C++ access library to F3,4's CAN Module 2013-05-04T02:12:05 < karlp> so the licensing was paid by ST already 2013-05-04T02:12:12 < Erlkoenig> hm possibly 2013-05-04T02:12:15 < karlp> yes. 2013-05-04T02:12:18 < R2COM> but 2013-05-04T02:12:29 < R2COM> isnt it something like usb 2013-05-04T02:12:36 < R2COM> or no maybe because there you dont need ID 2013-05-04T02:12:38 < Erlkoenig> luckily it's... "oben" 2013-05-04T02:12:41 < Erlkoenig> *open 2013-05-04T02:12:55 < Erlkoenig> CANopen is even nicer... pay 400€ just for the specs, buuut "open" 2013-05-04T02:13:19 < Erlkoenig> luckily the uni library has it... 2013-05-04T02:13:54 < gxti> USB does the same thing, they just also charge you to get an ID. 2013-05-04T02:14:19 < Erlkoenig> at least the docs are publicly available 2013-05-04T02:14:32 < Erlkoenig> or enough docs to use it 2013-05-04T02:15:02 < gxti> if you are using STM32 you don't have to worry about it because you're already paying for the licensing as part of the cost of the chip 2013-05-04T02:15:03 -!- fxd0h_ [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-04T02:15:10 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T02:15:20 < gxti> of course you don't have to worry about it at all unless you're moving enough product to get someone's attention ;p 2013-05-04T02:15:46 < Erlkoenig> i'd rather be worried to NOT pay them :D 2013-05-04T02:15:52 -!- fxd0h_ [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T02:16:06 < Erlkoenig> stupid patent crap 2013-05-04T02:16:13 < bairdy> Possibly some gotcha when shipping products over a limit? Microchip have a 10,000 unit thing. 2013-05-04T02:16:54 < bairdy> Something about their USB licencing requiring more $ 2013-05-04T02:16:57 -!- fxd0h__ [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T02:19:30 -!- fxd0h___ [~fx@186.123.133.73] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T02:19:50 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T02:19:50 -!- fxd0h___ is now known as fxd0h 2013-05-04T02:20:06 -!- fxd0h_ [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T02:21:32 -!- fxd0h__ [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2013-05-04T02:26:18 -!- Nutter [Nutter@199-195-151-246.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T02:31:34 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2013-05-04T02:33:29 < R2COM> hmm nice 2013-05-04T02:34:35 < R2COM> also whast the main difference between F40xx and F41xx series chips? Looking at datasheets of both they seem same 2013-05-04T02:35:42 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T02:36:27 < Laurenceb_> check st table thingy 2013-05-04T02:37:31 < R2COM> oh St has some rad. hard. ADcs.. heh 2013-05-04T02:37:45 < R2COM> made with 0.25um cmos 2013-05-04T02:39:07 < R2COM> I still dont find direct difference table there between f40 and f41 2013-05-04T02:40:44 < R2COM> still looks same 2013-05-04T02:53:45 < Laurenceb_> microexplorer tiem 2013-05-04T02:56:26 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2013-05-04T03:00:37 < Laurenceb_> The STM32F417 also integrates a crypto/hash processor providing hardware acceleration for AES 128, 192, 256, Triple DES, and hash (MD5, SHA-1), in addition to the analog true random number generator featured on all STM32F4 devices. 2013-05-04T03:00:50 < Laurenceb_> there you go, encription export stuff 2013-05-04T03:00:57 < Laurenceb_> i cant spell 2013-05-04T03:20:08 -!- bairdy_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-177-21.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T03:20:20 -!- bairdy [~cjb@ppp121-44-205-216.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-05-04T03:20:33 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-04T03:27:59 < R2COM> hmm 2013-05-04T03:28:21 < dongs> Shipping Method: Standard (Shipping Charge US $ 44.28) Priority (Shipping Charge US $ 34.41) 2013-05-04T03:28:24 < R2COM> so if one decides to do aes256 it should help then if it has hw acceleration 2013-05-04T03:28:25 < dongs> ??? 2013-05-04T03:28:26 < dongs> lol @ feescale. 2013-05-04T03:28:52 < emeb> rectal/cranial inversion 2013-05-04T03:28:53 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-212-201-76-2.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-04T03:29:07 < dongs> though i love them cuz their online store does paypal 2013-05-04T03:29:10 < dongs> just bought another tray of thier accels 2013-05-04T03:29:30 < dongs> so the shipping doesnt actually matter 2013-05-04T03:29:38 < emeb> place 2 orders, choose different shipping for each, see which is faster. 2013-05-04T03:37:44 -!- bairdy_ is now known as bairdy 2013-05-04T03:38:02 < Tectu> can I use SWD with openOCD? 2013-05-04T03:39:44 -!- fxd0h [~fx@186.123.133.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T03:46:49 < inca> ntfreak: ping… ^^ 2013-05-04T03:47:10 < karlp> no need to ping ntfreak. 2013-05-04T03:47:45 < karlp> tectu needs to ask a better question, but reading between the lines, yes, you can use oocd with stlink hardware quite happily 2013-05-04T03:48:27 < inca> karlp: wouldn't it be nice if that were documented somewhere reasonably indexible 2013-05-04T03:49:20 < Tectu> karlp, I'm a bit confused by the boot modes again... "user flash memory", "system memory", "embedded sram" 2013-05-04T03:49:35 < Tectu> user flash memory is like "no programming at all, just boot always the pre-programmed thing" ? 2013-05-04T03:49:53 < karlp> inca: yeah, any complaints abotu openocd docs are, "loko, it's here http:/asdfasdlfjkasdlafsd somethiere that isn't l inked from anywhere/asdfasdfasdfads" 2013-05-04T03:50:15 < karlp> then followed by "submit a pull request via gerrit with your improvements and quit complaining" 2013-05-04T03:50:27 < karlp> however, it works far more reliably for me than texane/stlink these days, 2013-05-04T03:50:53 < karlp> Tectu: I'm not really sure how that relates to "can I use swd with openocd" was it meant to be a follow up? 2013-05-04T03:51:22 < gxti> karlp: to be fair, Tectu doesn't seem to know how to read 2013-05-04T03:52:10 < Tectu> what the hell is happening? 2013-05-04T03:52:24 < Tectu> I am confused by the silk screen of this olimex board 2013-05-04T03:52:34 < Tectu> and I don't know which of these modes I want :P --- >"user flash memory", "system memory", "embedded sram" 2013-05-04T03:52:47 < gxti> process of elimination Tectu 2013-05-04T03:52:54 < Tectu> so if anyone would be kind enough to explain me the differences in short words, I'd be thankful 2013-05-04T03:53:02 < inca> karlp: word… texane just broke for me 2013-05-04T03:53:12 < inca> reverting back 2013-05-04T03:53:40 < inca> but stuff… might get OOCD up and rolling, if just for the possibility of using IDA as my main debugger 2013-05-04T03:54:41 < karlp> Tectu: user flash memory, what you flash; system-> burnt int rom bootloader; sram->sram (normally not what you want) 2013-05-04T03:54:57 < karlp> booting sram is for trickery 2013-05-04T03:55:20 < Tectu> karlp, so user flash memory is the thing where you connect your jtag, type 'load' in your gdb, then do 'run' then reset halt, load another, run etc? 2013-05-04T03:55:47 < karlp> weeeellll, depending on how you linked your elf, "load" in gdb might actually load it to sram :) 2013-05-04T03:55:54 < karlp> but yes, generally. 2013-05-04T03:56:08 < gxti> if you have jtag just leave it in user mode 2013-05-04T03:56:11 < Tectu> thanks for being partly helpful :P 2013-05-04T03:56:22 < Tectu> okay, maybe I better go with describing my problem 2013-05-04T03:57:46 < Tectu> I have an Olimex-STM32-P407 board... that thing has so much peripherals onboard, JTAG does not really work. What works is if I set the boot pins to "System Memory", press the reset button, load the image, set the boot mode back to "user flash memory", press reset and see if it works. 2013-05-04T03:58:17 < Tectu> when I use the run command of gdb in the "system memory" mode, it does not start the program since it seems to be on a different address or what ever 2013-05-04T03:59:59 < gxti> what does your program do? 2013-05-04T04:00:08 < gxti> does it sleep or disable the jtag port? 2013-05-04T04:00:20 < Tectu> it blinks an LED 2013-05-04T04:00:22 < Tectu> nothing more 2013-05-04T04:00:44 < Tectu> I cannot connect to the whole thing in the "User Flash Memory" mode. 2013-05-04T04:00:50 < Tectu> OpenOCD cannot connect 2013-05-04T04:00:52 < Tectu> tries to poll 2013-05-04T04:00:54 < Tectu> of course no chance 2013-05-04T04:02:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-04T04:04:27 < Tectu> any particular idea? 2013-05-04T04:06:10 < gxti> does it work if you boot to sram? 2013-05-04T04:09:11 < Tectu> gxti, yes. OpenOCD connects and I can load an image. run seems however not to work 2013-05-04T04:09:58 < gxti> well yeah 2013-05-04T04:10:19 < gxti> if you set it to not boot from flash then it won't run the stuff you write to flash 2013-05-04T04:11:03 < Tectu> stm32f4x.cpu -- clearing lockup after double fault 2013-05-04T04:11:03 < Tectu> 0xd0f74546 in ?? () 2013-05-04T04:11:17 < Tectu> can I somehow workaround this so I can run from sram? ;-) 2013-05-04T04:11:19 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-04T04:11:40 < gxti> change your linker script to load at top of ram instead of flash 2013-05-04T04:12:09 < Tectu> may you tell me how? 2013-05-04T04:12:13 < Tectu> I know nothing about linkerscripts 2013-05-04T04:12:22 < gxti> never done it 2013-05-04T04:15:12 < Tectu> anyone else? :P 2013-05-04T04:15:23 < gxti> google 2013-05-04T04:19:03 -!- R2COM1 [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T04:22:48 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-05-04T04:25:15 -!- R2COM1 is now known as R2COM 2013-05-04T04:29:19 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-05-04T04:34:10 < inca> https://github.com/obe1line/stlink-trace 2013-05-04T04:38:01 -!- BJFreeman [~bjfree@84.sub-75-233-174.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-05-04T04:49:13 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-180142.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-04T04:51:36 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T05:07:13 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T05:07:32 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T05:26:29 -!- fxd0h [~fx@190.55.238.195] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T05:34:13 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T05:34:25 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T05:37:18 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T05:48:50 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-04T05:48:50 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T05:48:52 -!- dfletcher_ is now known as dfletcher 2013-05-04T05:52:30 < R2COM> there is only 1 person on #atmel channel 2013-05-04T05:52:30 < R2COM> lol 2013-05-04T05:52:34 < R2COM> haha 2013-05-04T05:53:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T05:56:18 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T05:56:37 < talsit> are you sure it's not supposed to be the ##atmel channel instead? 2013-05-04T05:57:46 < R2COM> that one has 0 people 2013-05-04T05:59:15 < talsit> ###? 2013-05-04T05:59:18 < talsit> :p 2013-05-04T05:59:34 < R2COM> 0 2013-05-04T05:59:36 < R2COM> :D 2013-05-04T06:06:36 < talsit> i used to use avr32 2013-05-04T06:06:48 < R2COM> I used PIC32 2013-05-04T06:06:56 < R2COM> and pic16f84 longer time ago 2013-05-04T06:06:58 < talsit> UC3L 2013-05-04T06:07:11 < talsit> but the dragon programmer was ... interesting 2013-05-04T06:07:36 < talsit> and the atmel studio ... yeah, not very convincing in terms of stability 2013-05-04T06:08:16 < talsit> i could only jtag in the evenings ;) 2013-05-04T06:10:28 -!- fxd0h [~fx@190.55.238.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T06:25:44 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T06:27:20 < R2COM> talsit: you from japan? 2013-05-04T06:27:59 < talsit> i'm in japan 2013-05-04T06:28:13 < R2COM> from where? 2013-05-04T06:28:27 < talsit> spanish born, lived most of my life in australia 2013-05-04T06:28:33 < talsit> so... i'm from earth? 2013-05-04T06:28:43 < R2COM> nice, earth is good place 2013-05-04T06:30:01 < talsit> yeah, it's kinda nice 2013-05-04T06:30:14 < talsit> though, i am biased, i haven't tried other places yet 2013-05-04T06:30:51 < talsit> anyway, why japan? 2013-05-04T06:30:57 < talsit> and... how did you know? 2013-05-04T06:31:10 < R2COM> its just seems to be lots of people here from there 2013-05-04T06:31:13 < R2COM> or I might be wrong 2013-05-04T06:31:33 < talsit> really? i'd love to meet more people doing these things in osaka 2013-05-04T06:31:53 < dongs> luckily i hate people 2013-05-04T06:32:10 < R2COM> me too 2013-05-04T06:32:17 < R2COM> sometimes 2013-05-04T06:32:28 < dongs> hah 2013-05-04T06:32:29 < talsit> i just hate you guys, that's all 2013-05-04T06:32:34 < dongs> digikey fucked me over on ~20 coils 2013-05-04T06:32:45 < dongs> < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/VLF3010AT-2R2M1R0/445-3215-1-ND/1132856 god damn this shit is expensive 2013-05-04T06:32:58 < dongs> 'due to inventory discrepancy, we ran out and only sent you 38 of them 2013-05-04T06:33:06 < R2COM> last my 1300$ order from digikey included 25 more components than I ordered, and I did not pay for them, it was like 80$ win... 2013-05-04T06:33:10 < dongs> i wonder if it had anything to do wiht the fact that when I ordered 4 of htem last time I got like 10 2013-05-04T06:33:14 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-05-04T06:33:23 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T06:33:23 < dongs> but were they useful ones? 2013-05-04T06:33:29 < R2COM> what? 2013-05-04T06:33:33 < R2COM> those were Rf amplifiers 2013-05-04T06:33:35 < dongs> the extra components 2013-05-04T06:33:46 < dongs> did they just give you more shit of waht you ordered, or someone elses shit? 2013-05-04T06:33:47 < R2COM> the extra components were the ones I ordered 2013-05-04T06:33:50 < dongs> ah 2013-05-04T06:33:56 < dongs> good times 2013-05-04T06:34:02 < dongs> same happend with those coils last time i ordered 2013-05-04T06:34:21 < R2COM> its like: I ordered 30 amplifiers, they send me them in a pack, and I found another pack of same components in quantity of 25, but invoice did not include them 2013-05-04T06:34:31 < talsit> once from mouser, they sent me the wrong connectors, the right series, just ones slightly different 2013-05-04T06:34:43 < talsit> and i tell them, and they send me the wrong ones again 2013-05-04T06:34:52 < talsit> it was like that 3 times 2013-05-04T06:35:08 < talsit> i even drew diagrams explaining what was wrong, to links to harwin website and all 2013-05-04T06:35:21 < talsit> and i asked them from the start to not send me anything 2013-05-04T06:35:35 < talsit> but i ended up with 4 times the connectors 2013-05-04T06:35:45 < talsit> and THEN they tried to send me a bill for them all 2013-05-04T06:36:01 < dongs> digikey is really nice with returning shit 2013-05-04T06:36:12 < dongs> i had this crazy idea to make a usb3.0 hub myself so I ordered a bunch of parts for it 2013-05-04T06:36:20 < dongs> then I found a 13 port usb3/2 hub for liek $20 2013-05-04T06:36:28 < dongs> and i was like not worth wasting time making my own 2013-05-04T06:36:41 < dongs> so I shipped all the shit back, it was like ~$40 worth of stuff 2013-05-04T06:36:41 < talsit> i just wish that digikey's japanese website was also in english 2013-05-04T06:37:02 < dongs> pfft 2013-05-04T06:37:04 < dongs> lrn2read 2013-05-04T06:37:10 < talsit> dongs: i am 2013-05-04T06:37:19 < R2COM> learn samurai language 2013-05-04T06:37:22 < talsit> it just takes some time 2013-05-04T06:37:49 < talsit> mouser's site you can change language even in the japanese site 2013-05-04T06:38:04 < talsit> and of course, i can't order on the US site of digikey if my shipping address is in japan 2013-05-04T06:38:10 < talsit> hence: i can't buy from digikey 2013-05-04T06:38:49 < dongs> what pisses me off is I order from jap site (and end up paying inflated shit in JPY) and then when they bill it to american CC that I have drawing off paypal, i end up getting charged 2-5$ "currency conversion fee" 2013-05-04T06:38:53 < dongs> fuckign scam 2013-05-04T06:38:57 < dongs> its all paypal so im not TOO worried but still 2013-05-04T06:39:02 < talsit> hahaha... the US digikey, i *can* change it to spanish! 2013-05-04T06:39:09 < dongs> yeah i bet 2013-05-04T06:39:18 < dongs> its probably some part of bullshit equal rights shit 2013-05-04T06:39:24 < dongs> cuz spics are flooding america 2013-05-04T06:39:29 < R2COM> I know some spanish words 2013-05-04T06:39:39 < dongs> pretty sure there's regulations how everything must be bilingual in mcdonalts and shit 2013-05-04T06:39:39 < R2COM> few ones 2013-05-04T06:39:41 < talsit> i'm spanish, so i can speak it goods 2013-05-04T06:40:20 < talsit> i can't even browse digikey in english once i'm logged in 2013-05-04T06:40:29 < R2COM> bad for you then 2013-05-04T06:42:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-05-04T06:43:39 < gxti> no US jurisdiction that i know of requires bilingual signs, it's done out of necessity 2013-05-04T06:44:06 < R2COM> I knoew few languages 2013-05-04T06:44:29 < gxti> canada is another matter though, they require french 2013-05-04T06:44:46 < talsit> in spain, most communities require bilingual 2013-05-04T06:44:55 < talsit> barcelona, it's spanish & catalan 2013-05-04T06:45:08 < talsit> in bilbao, spanish & basque (where i'm from) 2013-05-04T06:45:21 < R2COM> are catalanian girls hot? 2013-05-04T06:45:28 < talsit> some 2013-05-04T06:46:55 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-05-04T06:56:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T06:58:11 -!- fxd0h_ [~fx@190.55.238.195] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T07:01:44 -!- fxd0h [~fx@OL104-131.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2013-05-04T07:01:45 -!- fxd0h_ is now known as fxd0h 2013-05-04T07:24:07 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-04T07:24:41 < R2COM> this heli is lovely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt_tyk3K1dY 2013-05-04T07:25:15 < R2COM> dual rotor single crew fighting heli 2013-05-04T07:25:31 < R2COM> ka-50 2013-05-04T07:28:39 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T08:03:58 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T08:12:02 -!- fxd0h [~fx@190.55.238.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-04T08:24:01 < talsit> hey, if i want to source some decent oled gfx displays, around 128x32 pixels, where would you recommend? 2013-05-04T08:24:54 < dongs> wide.hk 2013-05-04T08:24:59 < dongs> 128x64 i believe 2013-05-04T08:25:01 < dongs> like $5/ea 2013-05-04T08:25:06 < dongs> i2c/spi controllable 2013-05-04T08:25:19 < dongs> http://www.wide.hk/products.php?product=I2C-0.96%22-OLED-display-module-(-compatible-Arduino-) 2013-05-04T08:25:23 < dongs> this trash 2013-05-04T08:25:25 < dongs> huh why is it $16 now 2013-05-04T08:25:52 < dongs> http://www.wide.hk/products.php?product=1.5%22-Color-OLED-128x128-display-modules OOOOOOO 2013-05-04T08:25:55 < dongs> awesome 2013-05-04T08:26:47 < Simon--> save the power! 2013-05-04T08:27:53 < talsit> hmmm... any other? 2013-05-04T08:29:16 < R2COM> how tolerant are they to shock? 2013-05-04T08:29:24 < R2COM> also what about -55C to 105 C? 2013-05-04T08:29:27 < R2COM> temperature? 2013-05-04T08:29:54 < R2COM> I dont udnerstand why temperature mode is not listed in specs lots of times 2013-05-04T08:30:01 < R2COM> and it is annoying 2013-05-04T08:30:28 < R2COM> ok 2013-05-04T08:30:32 < R2COM> -40C to 85C 2013-05-04T08:32:45 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T08:33:48 < ds2> dongs: do they need 2 voltages to run? 2013-05-04T08:33:51 < ds2> (or 3)? 2013-05-04T08:35:46 < englishman> that board needs just +5v. the oled module alone, search for UG-2864HSWEG01 2013-05-04T08:35:47 < R2COM> dude 2013-05-04T08:35:51 < R2COM> just look in datasheet 2013-05-04T08:38:23 < dongs> http://www.wide.hk/product_images/d/color_oled__97512.jpg shopped? 2013-05-04T08:38:39 < talsit> i would say so 2013-05-04T08:38:54 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=WmrlZzKhS8M 2013-05-04T08:38:55 < dongs> m,aybe not 2013-05-04T08:39:07 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=WmrlZzKhS8M#t=10s 2013-05-04T08:39:42 < R2COM> I bet those are just good for civil products, thats about it 2013-05-04T08:39:45 < englishman> "selective focus" 128x128 you can see pixels. still cool though 2013-05-04T08:40:07 < dongs> R2COM: ill be sure to contact you when i need milspec oleds for arduino 2013-05-04T08:40:27 < talsit> who said anything about arduinos? 2013-05-04T08:40:38 < R2COM> what? 2013-05-04T08:40:50 < R2COM> i dont give shit to arduino 2013-05-04T08:41:10 < englishman> i'm sure lockheed martin orders tons from wide.hk 2013-05-04T08:41:21 < R2COM> no. it does not. 2013-05-04T08:41:38 < R2COM> neither does Mig or Sukhoi. 2013-05-04T08:44:55 < ds2> wtf 2013-05-04T08:45:01 < ds2> .rar datasheets? are they legit? 2013-05-04T08:51:02 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 2013-05-04T08:51:42 < ds2> and they still need 2 voltages 2013-05-04T08:54:47 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=7uBZRE5mXpc ok what 2013-05-04T08:56:31 < R2COM> errr whats that 2013-05-04T08:56:32 < R2COM> stop it 2013-05-04T08:58:38 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-04T08:58:38 < dongs> its liek #stm32-crap without Laurenceb 2013-05-04T08:58:48 < R2COM> I dont know Laurenceb 2013-05-04T08:59:33 < R2COM> and probably dont want to know 2013-05-04T09:10:09 -!- n00b750 [~me@66.49.221.158] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T09:17:34 < dongs> lol, dicknplace ran into a tall inductor while assembling 2013-05-04T09:17:54 < dongs> gonna need to adjust the order 2013-05-04T09:17:58 < dongs> so it puts that shit down last 2013-05-04T09:18:15 < R2COM> autoroute? 2013-05-04T09:18:39 < dongs> nah it has like 'optimize placement' mode where it will minimize trips to parts based on distance between next feeder 2013-05-04T09:18:44 < dongs> so i just usaully use t hat 2013-05-04T09:19:05 < dongs> i didnt think it would run into the part though, its only like 6mm tall, the head must have grabbed it while it was still moving up and going to next part 2013-05-04T09:20:22 < jpa-> huomenta 2013-05-04T09:26:07 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@ims1065d.engr.ucdavis.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-05-04T09:38:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.144.89] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T09:54:17 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T09:54:19 < Robint91> hi all 2013-05-04T09:54:25 < Robint91> rtems looks very nice 2013-05-04T09:55:55 < R2COM> hmmm 2013-05-04T09:56:14 < Robint91> rtems > freertos + lwip + fatfs 2013-05-04T10:00:09 < jpa-> openocd has some simulation stuff? 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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=9SC843Nz5zM 2013-05-04T14:56:18 < Tectu> ah, it's a custom one 2013-05-04T15:00:45 < inca> it's pretty neat! http://www.aisenke.com/nodinorobotics/ 2013-05-04T15:01:41 < inca> but it's > 10 x the cost =( 2013-05-04T15:01:54 < inca> wait... 2013-05-04T15:02:14 < inca> more like > 5 x 2013-05-04T15:03:17 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2013-05-04T15:07:27 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-04T15:08:26 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T15:12:01 < bairdy> Olimex and Mikroelectronika have "2x" boards as well.. 2013-05-04T15:12:10 -!- capacitor [7bf38bbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.187] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T15:12:16 < capacitor> i am capacitor 2013-05-04T15:12:35 < bairdy> are you positive? 2013-05-04T15:12:48 < capacitor> i don't know. 2013-05-04T15:16:40 < Erlkoenig> (13:55:34) Tectu: guys, what the fuck is the board on the right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=9SC843Nz5zM <--- wow that Chip is huge o.O 2013-05-04T15:17:03 < Tectu> Erlkoenig, yeah indeed :o 2013-05-04T15:17:26 < Erlkoenig> and what exactly does the hardware have to do with "free software" toolchains. i can program my F4 Disco with purely Free software perfectly 2013-05-04T15:17:43 < capacitor> sure can man 2013-05-04T15:17:51 < capacitor> keil it mate 2013-05-04T15:18:15 -!- Mobyfab [Mobyfab@2a01:e35:8a10:c580:5182:45eb:69a6:a289] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T15:20:01 < capacitor> how much dollar is it 2013-05-04T15:30:11 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T15:30:46 -!- capacitor [7bf38bbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.187] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-04T15:32:13 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T15:33:53 < dongs> sup blogggers 2013-05-04T15:34:54 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-05-04T15:36:29 <+Steffanx> Stupid question 2013-05-04T15:40:41 < dongs> yes? 2013-05-04T15:41:48 <+Steffanx> Yep, i'm sure 2013-05-04T15:43:23 -!- vpopov [~happylife@37-147-202-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T15:48:00 < bairdy> Playing with party balloons. Will fill the living-room up with them before the housemate's AD&D buddies show up. 2013-05-04T15:49:15 <+Steffanx> lol 2013-05-04T15:49:16 < Erlkoenig> be sure to take a photo when they sit in that heap of balloons and play D&D 2013-05-04T15:49:20 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-04T15:49:27 <+Steffanx> lol again 2013-05-04T15:49:44 <+Steffanx> Erlkoenig knows baird's house mate too well 2013-05-04T15:50:29 < bairdy> Wish I had a cylinder of acetylene :P 2013-05-04T15:51:05 < karlp> so we can read about your house blowign up when one of them pops a balloon with a ciggie? 2013-05-04T15:51:05 < Erlkoenig> hm? 2013-05-04T15:52:18 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T15:52:18 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-04T15:52:18 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T15:52:20 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffann] by ChanServ 2013-05-04T15:55:01 -!- Steffanx [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-05-04T16:00:27 < Robint91> bairdy, lol, like to live dangerously? 2013-05-04T16:00:28 < dongs> http://deepmac.jedimercer.com/details.php?macadd=001C85&numresults=10 2013-05-04T16:00:30 < dongs> cool address 2013-05-04T16:07:38 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.125.111] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T16:10:36 <+Steffann> gheh 2013-05-04T16:16:08 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-05-04T16:18:53 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.125.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-04T16:21:08 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a83-132-166-131.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T16:23:32 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-05-04T16:25:54 -!- espiral [~maze@90.154.248.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-04T16:26:18 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@20.sub-75-233-61.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T16:27:16 -!- espiral [~maze@91.192.238.89] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T16:29:39 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-05-04T16:30:42 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a83-132-166-131.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-04T16:35:03 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T16:43:58 -!- bairdy [~cjb@ppp121-44-177-21.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2013-05-04T16:52:56 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@20.sub-75-233-61.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-04T16:53:10 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@20.sub-75-233-61.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T16:53:47 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-05-04T16:58:41 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-180142.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T17:12:52 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T17:20:29 < dongs> Sorry! We are currently doing site maintenance. 2013-05-04T17:20:29 < dongs> This website is currently undergoing scheduled system maintenance 2013-05-04T17:20:29 < dongs> We expect to return to service by 12:00pm CDT. 2013-05-04T17:20:29 < dongs> We apologize for the inconvenience and ask that you try again later. 2013-05-04T17:20:30 < dongs> fucking cunts 2013-05-04T17:20:33 < dongs> TI website is down 2013-05-04T17:26:34 < inca> dongs: nobody works on weekends, especially saturday morning and afternoon 2013-05-04T17:39:07 < BJfreeman> <<---- puts away his tools so no one sees 2013-05-04T17:39:52 < BJfreeman> may the 4th be with you all 2013-05-04T17:40:31 * inca looks up from his mess with a bagel hanging out of his mouth and a soldering iron in hand... 2013-05-04T17:40:49 < inca> thanks BJfreeman! Likewise! 2013-05-04T17:41:05 <+Steffann> ti website is down mr dongs? 2013-05-04T17:41:17 <+Steffann> or was .. 20 min ago 2013-05-04T17:59:55 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-212-201-72-11.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-04T18:15:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T18:27:00 < Tectu> so code that works on OTG1 should also work on OTG2 of an STM32F407, right? 2013-05-04T18:27:05 < Tectu> or is FS and HS somehow different? 2013-05-04T18:27:13 < Tectu> (beside the external PHY of the HS) 2013-05-04T18:27:49 < Tectu> on my E407 they have one connected to USB_FS, and on the P407 it's connected to USB_HS. The code of the E407 does work on all my other dev- or project boards, but not on the P407 2013-05-04T18:31:03 -!- fxd0h [~fx@190.55.238.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-05-04T18:33:18 < Posterdati> hi 2013-05-04T18:33:23 < gxti> kind of answers the question then doesn't it 2013-05-04T18:34:34 < Posterdati> please help, I'm trying to calculate time using systick for 32f107, on the manual I've got two different divison values for Cortex System Timer, on a diagram I've got HCLK / 8 and the other HCLK / 8... 2013-05-04T18:34:49 < Posterdati> sorry 2013-05-04T18:34:53 < Posterdati> HCLK / 2 2013-05-04T18:35:03 < gxti> which diagram says 2? 2013-05-04T18:35:19 < emeb_mac> seen this? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sparkdevices/spark-core-wi-fi-for-everything-arduino-compatible 2013-05-04T18:35:33 < Posterdati> page 107 of RM0008 2013-05-04T18:35:56 < Posterdati> page 77 of RM0008 2013-05-04T18:36:08 < Posterdati> different division factor for HCLK 2013-05-04T18:36:34 < gxti> i must have a different revision than you, both of those pages are unrelated 2013-05-04T18:36:58 < Posterdati> ID 13902 rev 9 2013-05-04T18:37:03 < gxti> in any case, /8 is correct 2013-05-04T18:37:24 < gxti> i have rev 11 2013-05-04T18:37:26 < gxti> try that :P 2013-05-04T18:37:42 < Posterdati> SYSTICK = HCLK / 8 then? 2013-05-04T18:38:18 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-05-04T18:39:10 < gxti> The RCC feeds the Cortex System Timer (SysTick) external clock with the AHB clock 2013-05-04T18:39:13 < gxti> (HCLK) divided by 8. 2013-05-04T18:39:32 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33mC6MUDA7g&feature=youtu.be 2013-05-04T18:39:34 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2013-05-04T18:39:39 < gxti> more crap? 2013-05-04T18:39:48 < gxti> yep 2013-05-04T18:41:55 < Posterdati> gxti: got rev14 the factor is /8, ok tx 2013-05-04T18:42:09 < Posterdati> gxti: both diagrams are updated and synced 2013-05-04T18:42:25 < gxti> i guess i shouldn't keep old copies of st docs either 2013-05-04T18:47:24 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-194-94-198-179.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T18:48:15 < Posterdati> gxti: please, if I select RCC_SYSCLKSource_PLLCLK am I feed the systick via AHB clock? 2013-05-04T18:53:46 < Posterdati> ? 2013-05-04T18:56:50 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-04T18:56:54 < gxti> Posterdati: what do you think? 2013-05-04T18:57:15 < Posterdati> dunno 2013-05-04T18:57:39 < Posterdati> I think I'm feeding thru the PLL passing AHB 2013-05-04T18:57:50 < gxti> Posterdati: look at the clock tree on page 122 2013-05-04T18:59:11 < gxti> Posterdati: follow the line back from 'cortex system timer' 2013-05-04T19:00:42 < Posterdati> gxti: yes, there's no other feeding 2013-05-04T19:01:40 < gxti> Posterdati: so what is the issue? 2013-05-04T19:02:08 < Posterdati> but control register for systick has got a bit that told the source of the systick timer clock 2013-05-04T19:02:24 < Posterdati> CLOCKSOURCE = 0 => AHB/8 2013-05-04T19:02:31 < Posterdati> CLOCKSOURCE = 1 => AHB 2013-05-04T19:03:27 < gxti> so what? 2013-05-04T19:06:46 < dongs> dongsource 2013-05-04T19:06:58 < dongs> < emeb_mac> seen this? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sparkdevices/spark-core-wi-fi-for-everything-arduino-compatible 2013-05-04T19:07:10 < dongs> emeb_mac: guaranteed funding @ dickstarter 1) arduino-compatible 2) works with iphone 2013-05-04T19:07:20 < dongs> jesus christ what the fuck 120k 2013-05-04T19:08:21 < Posterdati> so RCC_SYSCLKSource_PLLCLK = AHB/8 ? 2013-05-04T19:08:50 < gxti> ... 2013-05-04T19:08:51 < emeb_mac> dongs: but uses STM32!! :P 2013-05-04T19:08:55 < gxti> Posterdati: how about you just try it 2013-05-04T19:08:57 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@20.sub-75-233-61.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T19:09:03 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@20.sub-75-233-61.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T19:09:09 < gxti> since you seem to be confused by text that tells you what's going on 2013-05-04T19:09:16 < englishman> you forgot cloud-powered 2013-05-04T19:09:32 < Posterdati> gxti: seems a factor of two 2013-05-04T19:09:52 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-05-04T19:10:14 < Posterdati> time_elapse = 8 * delta(systick value) / HCLK frequency 2013-05-04T19:12:57 < Laurenceb_> is that thing using cc3000 ememb? 2013-05-04T19:13:03 < Laurenceb_> i see a big metal package 2013-05-04T19:13:27 < emeb_mac> yep 2013-05-04T19:13:33 < emeb_mac> specs further down the page. 2013-05-04T19:13:47 < Laurenceb_> so cc3000 is actually a module with shield? 2013-05-04T19:14:27 < dongs> ya 2013-05-04T19:14:36 < Laurenceb_> lol Ti 2013-05-04T19:14:46 < Laurenceb_> they show what looks like a QFN 2013-05-04T19:15:41 -!- cTn [~ctn@bband-dyn234.178-41-175.t-com.sk] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T19:16:36 < Laurenceb_> i wonder if it can do anything low level 2013-05-04T19:17:51 < cTn> hi guys, i was wondering did any of you encountered something like this ? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31740/pictures/stm2.jpg 2013-05-04T19:18:10 < cTn> i am trying to compile a very simple cpp code for the stm32f103 2013-05-04T19:18:17 < cTn> but seems linker is going all crazy =< 2013-05-04T19:18:30 < dongs> lunix linker??? 2013-05-04T19:18:47 < dongs> ah yes the amazing sbrk and shit 2013-05-04T19:18:53 < Laurenceb_> github wile you dropbox?! 2013-05-04T19:19:21 < dongs> im so fuckin glad 2013-05-04T19:19:24 < dongs> when I add printf() into keil 2013-05-04T19:19:27 < dongs> i dont need to fucking spend a week 2013-05-04T19:19:33 < dongs> figuring out how to make libc work 2013-05-04T19:19:37 < Laurenceb_> lol 2013-05-04T19:19:46 < dongs> or malloc or etc. 2013-05-04T19:19:56 < dongs> this kinda garbage just gets in the way of getting work done 2013-05-04T19:20:13 < Erlkoenig> dongs: where do the printf messages go? 2013-05-04T19:20:30 < cTn> dongs: well this is on windows, compiling on top of yagarto toolchain, with slightly modified make from your and same goes for the linker 2013-05-04T19:20:32 < emeb_mac> into the ... ether. 2013-05-04T19:20:42 < cTn> got any ideas how to solve this ? 2013-05-04T19:21:03 < Erlkoenig> cTn: don't use functions that need dynamic memory 2013-05-04T19:21:16 < Erlkoenig> and abort() and stuff like that 2013-05-04T19:21:34 < dongs> dont use malloc,printf,etc. 2013-05-04T19:21:55 < Laurenceb_> you might need to add a file of wrapper functions..? 2013-05-04T19:22:18 < Erlkoenig> this would increase code size a lot probably 2013-05-04T19:22:26 < Erlkoenig> he has to remove the offending function calls 2013-05-04T19:23:22 < cTn> well, let me ditch the printf 2013-05-04T19:23:26 < cTn> see if that solves anything 2013-05-04T19:23:31 < dongs> it "does" 2013-05-04T19:23:35 < dongs> ops 2013-05-04T19:24:01 < Robint91> when is it okay to use dynamic memory? 2013-05-04T19:24:10 < Erlkoenig> when you have enough memory connected :D 2013-05-04T19:24:12 < dongs> always, if youre not using a shit compiler 2013-05-04T19:24:24 < Robint91> Erlkoenig, vague! 2013-05-04T19:24:39 < Erlkoenig> dongs: how does your compiler handle printf? just adds an operating system that implements virtual memory, and sbrk? 2013-05-04T19:25:04 < dongs> Erlkoenig: it just fucking works 2013-05-04T19:25:08 < Erlkoenig> but how? 2013-05-04T19:25:15 < dongs> i dont know, and best of all, I dont NEED to know! 2013-05-04T19:25:16 < Erlkoenig> it "just works" is for arduino users 2013-05-04T19:25:20 < Erlkoenig> and Mac Users 2013-05-04T19:25:24 < dongs> this is the kinda shit that i do NOT need to know. 2013-05-04T19:25:37 < Erlkoenig> memory management is the interesing shit to know 2013-05-04T19:25:41 < Erlkoenig> otherwise you could just use Java 2013-05-04T19:25:51 < cTn> well printf completely removed, same errors 2013-05-04T19:25:53 < cTn> =< 2013-05-04T19:26:12 < Erlkoenig> are you using other Functions from the C runtime? Using C++? 2013-05-04T19:27:22 < cTn> i guess, let me just push the printf disabled version to git, i am "basically" not doing anything, blinking 2 leds and reading serial 2013-05-04T19:28:01 < cTn> https://github.com/cTn-dev/Phoenix-STM32/tree/master/src 2013-05-04T19:28:04 < Erlkoenig> some hack is to add empty functions _sbrk, _getpid etc. , compile&link it, disassemble it, look what uses _sbrk, what uses that, etc., iteratively find the point in your code that implicitly requires dynamic memory management (i.e. malloc) 2013-05-04T19:28:41 < Robint91> cTn, I see cpp 2013-05-04T19:28:50 < Robint91> cTn, you are on your own 2013-05-04T19:29:10 < Erlkoenig> it's just C code in a .cpp file 2013-05-04T19:29:20 < Erlkoenig> but C++ works well if you know what you're doing... 2013-05-04T19:29:28 < Robint91> it still needs the cpp compiler 2013-05-04T19:29:45 < Erlkoenig> that doesn't invoke malloc 2013-05-04T19:29:46 < Robint91> just use the C compiler if you don't need crazy stuff that cpp offres 2013-05-04T19:29:52 < Erlkoenig> at least not with GAE 2013-05-04T19:30:11 < Erlkoenig> oh wait the pid.cpp uses actual C++ 2013-05-04T19:30:31 < zyp> nothing wrong with c++ 2013-05-04T19:31:11 < cTn> Erlkoenig: i tried to remove it from the compile sequence, as the cpp code wasn't utilized yet 2013-05-04T19:31:14 < cTn> still same errors 2013-05-04T19:31:34 < Erlkoenig> then look at the disassembly about what calls malloc 2013-05-04T19:34:11 < cTn> there is no malloc call anywhere (in the whole source i got there) 2013-05-04T19:34:32 < Erlkoenig> ah you enabled exceptions 2013-05-04T19:35:13 < Erlkoenig> if you don't need exceptions, you should compile with -fno-exceptions . and if you don't need RTTI, compile with -fno-rtti 2013-05-04T19:36:45 < Erlkoenig> wait what... you're compiling C++ source with gcc, not g++ - that calls for trouble 2013-05-04T19:37:51 < cTn> well switching to g++ raises even more errors 2013-05-04T19:37:57 < cTn> so, i dont know :( 2013-05-04T19:38:09 < Erlkoenig> your code compiles&links fine on my pc if i add -fno-exceptions and -fno-rtti 2013-05-04T19:38:15 < Erlkoenig> then you have to fix them 2013-05-04T19:41:19 < cTn> seems -fno-exceptions did the trick (for now) 2013-05-04T19:41:20 < cTn> thanks 2013-05-04T19:41:33 < Erlkoenig> see 2013-05-04T19:42:21 < Erlkoenig> add extern "C" void __cxa_pure_virtual () { while(1); } somewhere if you want to use virtual functions 2013-05-04T19:48:02 -!- UweBonnes [~bon@p5DE44D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T19:49:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-05-04T19:49:47 < cTn> hmm even printf runs, with one warning but runs :-) 2013-05-04T19:50:25 < Erlkoenig> yes your custom printf might work without malloc... 2013-05-04T19:52:20 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a83-132-166-131.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T19:54:23 < cTn> thx, this really helped :-) 2013-05-04T19:54:36 < cTn> finally i can start porting my "Arduino" Stuff to stm32 2013-05-04T19:55:19 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9aa4miQbK1rrfrdzo1_500.jpg 2013-05-04T19:55:28 < Erlkoenig> old. 2013-05-04T19:58:31 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T19:59:12 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a83-132-166-131.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-04T20:00:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T20:00:26 < sterna1> cTn: you could check out elmchans printf 2013-05-04T20:00:27 < sterna1> http://elm-chan.org/fsw/strf/xprintf.html 2013-05-04T20:04:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-05-04T20:05:43 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2013-05-04T20:05:51 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T20:07:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-04T20:11:33 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T20:12:03 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T20:26:17 -!- Mobyfab [Mobyfab@2a01:e35:8a10:c580:5182:45eb:69a6:a289] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-05-04T20:43:19 < sterna1> has anyone else had the problem that when uploading a larger program (not too large, it would still fit in the microcontroller) using openocd and stlinkv2 through a cable that it stops working? 2013-05-04T20:43:52 < sterna1> it's really hard to explain, but I've had roughly this same obscure problem twice 2013-05-04T20:52:41 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2013-05-04T20:58:24 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T20:58:40 < jpa-> sterna1: any error messages in the console where you have openocd running 2013-05-04T20:58:43 < jpa-> ? 2013-05-04T20:58:49 < sterna1> pasting 2013-05-04T20:59:14 < sterna1> http://pastebin.com/ZkedcFAg 2013-05-04T21:00:50 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T21:02:24 < jpa-> sterna1: maybe try "reset halt" before "program"? 2013-05-04T21:02:51 < sterna1> jpa-: I could try that 2013-05-04T21:13:10 < Erlkoenig> hm one can use long pinheaders for combing beard 2013-05-04T21:43:00 < sterna1> jpa-: I got help over at #openocd 2013-05-04T21:43:17 < sterna1> apperently, I hit the to top WORKAREASIZE 2013-05-04T21:43:21 < sterna1> *of 2013-05-04T21:44:07 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-05-04T22:21:21 < Robint91> how do I tell the i2c module to ingore ACKs 2013-05-04T22:28:57 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-05-04T22:44:08 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-05-04T22:46:24 -!- UweBonnes [~bon@p5DE44D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-04T23:02:26 < Tectu> where's my zyp? 2013-05-04T23:03:35 < Tectu> when I have an external SRAM which is made like 256Kx16 and I create a heap, I can do it byte wise, right? I can just make a heap of 512kBytes? The memory does have the high and low byte controls. I expect that the FSMC interface is smart enough for that? 2013-05-04T23:03:41 < Tectu> or how does that work? 2013-05-04T23:10:23 < zyp> of course 2013-05-04T23:11:02 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@5.100.192.56] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-04T23:16:01 < jpa-> Tectu: as long as you configure it to use that 2013-05-04T23:16:20 < Tectu> yeah I guess that's where I currently fail :P 2013-05-04T23:16:23 < jpa-> (and even if you don't have byte controls, it can do read-modify-write) 2013-05-04T23:26:02 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-04T23:28:01 < Tectu> what's the "extended mode" ? 2013-05-04T23:35:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T23:38:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T23:45:09 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a83-132-32-116.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T23:46:05 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-04T23:56:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.202.151] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sun May 05 2013 2013-05-05T00:04:29 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a83-132-32-116.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-05T00:06:34 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@5.100.215.167] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T00:06:57 < R2COM> for some PC fan, why would they breakout additional pin for just LED? 2013-05-05T00:07:21 < R2COM> there is a main jumper on a fan, LED jumper, for those who want to run fan with or without LED.. so I plugged in, LED is on 2013-05-05T00:07:40 < R2COM> what I dont get is why they also include a LED (+ - ) pinout cable? 2013-05-05T00:07:45 < R2COM> hmm 2013-05-05T00:08:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.202.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-05T00:22:15 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@5.100.215.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-05T00:24:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.210.124] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T00:28:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T00:33:05 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-05T00:33:36 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T00:36:02 < Erlkoenig> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/p480x480/420759_220617531396099_1418285304_n.jpg this is how environmentally friendly e-mobility looks like 2013-05-05T00:42:15 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-05T00:43:11 -!- UweBonnes [~bon@p5DDCD57E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T00:43:21 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-05T00:45:54 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T00:48:37 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-05T00:49:07 < trepidaciousMBR> R2COM: For some kind of super gamer motherboard that has a load of software controlled LEDs? 2013-05-05T00:49:16 < Tectu> lol 2013-05-05T00:49:20 < Tectu> Erlkoenig ^ 2013-05-05T00:49:23 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T00:49:37 < trepidaciousMBR> R2COM: I've learned never to underestimate the desire of gamers to have everything flashing blue. 2013-05-05T00:55:28 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T00:59:14 -!- TitanMKD [Titan@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T01:02:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.210.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-05T01:04:57 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-05-05T01:06:13 <+Steffann> Whoa, that image looks like it has be reposted 1000 times on imgur Erlkoenig 2013-05-05T01:07:17 < zyp> *yawn* 2013-05-05T01:07:31 <+Steffann> morning 2013-05-05T01:07:44 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-05T01:10:07 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Fn4dz.png <- just made some silly layout 2013-05-05T01:10:42 <+Steffann> And now the big question: what is it for? 2013-05-05T01:10:56 < zyp> the button matrix I were talking about before 2013-05-05T01:10:57 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T01:11:07 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2013-05-05T01:11:22 < zyp> I need 25 of these boards, hooked up in a 5x5 matrix 2013-05-05T01:14:33 < zyp> edge boards will only have two buttons and corner boards will only have 1, so there will be 64 in total, hooked up in a 8x8 matrix 2013-05-05T01:15:22 < qyx_> so you need 6x6 of these, don't you? 2013-05-05T01:16:08 < zyp> no 2013-05-05T01:16:51 < zyp> it's four 4x4-grids of buttons, each aligned to one corner of the 5x5 grid 2013-05-05T01:17:21 -!- UweBonnes [~bon@p5DDCD57E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: epic+tkirc2] 2013-05-05T01:17:29 <+Steffann> You probably told it, but where is it for? Going to make music like the pros do? 2013-05-05T01:18:19 < zyp> nah 2013-05-05T01:18:38 < qyx_> we are not being helpful Steffann 2013-05-05T01:19:00 <+Steffann> This is not about being helpful or not it's about my curiousity 2013-05-05T01:19:39 < zyp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2I_MwqV5wQ <- I'm thinking something along the lines of this, except sane electronics 2013-05-05T01:19:57 < Erlkoenig> (00:06:12) Steffann: Whoa, that image looks like it has be reposted 1000 times on imgur Erlkoenig <-- well this image was taken on monday and i was there ^.^ 2013-05-05T01:20:20 < zyp> just look at the mess of wires at 7:36 2013-05-05T01:21:41 < Erlkoenig> mess of funny characters 2013-05-05T01:21:52 < zyp> video has translations. 2013-05-05T01:21:57 <+Steffann> :) 2013-05-05T01:22:01 < Erlkoenig> high-quality translations :D 2013-05-05T01:22:47 <+Steffann> weird game 2013-05-05T01:22:52 < Erlkoenig> some guy in german channel posted the introduction to his master's thesis in English... he used one nonexistant word and the style was... well not master's-worthy :D 2013-05-05T01:23:50 <+Steffann> I wont say anything.. my english isnt perfect either :P 2013-05-05T01:24:37 <+Steffann> gn 2013-05-05T01:24:44 < Erlkoenig> gn8 :) 2013-05-05T01:24:55 <+Steffann> -8 2013-05-05T01:24:58 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: zzzzZZzzz] 2013-05-05T01:34:13 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-151-152.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-05-05T01:34:15 < R2COM> so my fan on a box it said by default with its 7V arranged connector it runs only 60% speed 2013-05-05T01:34:19 < R2COM> its max is 12V 2013-05-05T01:34:39 < R2COM> I re-pinned connector to connect 12v I wonder if its full throttle now.. 2013-05-05T01:34:56 < R2COM> though one couldnt probably tell much according to its dynamic or noise 2013-05-05T01:42:36 -!- TitanMKD [Titan@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 2013-05-05T01:43:47 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-05T02:00:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.195.94] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T02:02:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-05-05T02:08:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.195.94] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-05T02:21:11 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T02:30:24 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/QgaEPTNA 2013-05-05T02:30:28 < Laurenceb_> irl lolled 2013-05-05T02:44:31 < qyx_> me too, i repasted it 2013-05-05T02:46:05 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T02:48:18 -!- cTn [~ctn@bband-dyn234.178-41-175.t-com.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-05T02:48:26 < Tectu> qyx_, since you're the guy who already made everything 2013-05-05T02:48:31 < Tectu> qyx_, did you ever use external SRAM? 2013-05-05T02:49:10 < qyx_> :S 2013-05-05T02:49:20 < qyx_> i did, but never used it 2013-05-05T02:49:32 -!- vpopov [~happylife@37-147-202-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2013-05-05T02:49:39 < qyx_> don't even know if it is working, it's just soldered here 2013-05-05T02:50:00 < Tectu> lol 2013-05-05T02:50:14 < Tectu> it's strange 2013-05-05T02:50:20 < Tectu> I set the PortF to AF12 2013-05-05T02:50:28 < Tectu> PortF is some of the address pins of the FSMC 2013-05-05T02:50:34 < Tectu> AF12 is all the FSMC alternate function 2013-05-05T02:50:37 < Tectu> then it does not work anymore 2013-05-05T02:50:41 < Tectu> when I don't set it, it seems to 2013-05-05T02:52:18 < Laurenceb_> omfg 2013-05-05T02:52:31 < Laurenceb_> gedit latex plugin is utterly epic 2013-05-05T02:52:40 < Tectu> it is? 2013-05-05T02:52:47 < Laurenceb_> fapfapfap 2013-05-05T02:52:53 < Tectu> pic or it didn't happen 2013-05-05T02:53:12 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-05T02:54:07 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Lfx8qAY.png 2013-05-05T02:54:09 < Laurenceb_> epicness 2013-05-05T02:54:26 < Tectu> uh looks fancy 2013-05-05T02:54:28 < Tectu> never used latex 2013-05-05T02:55:41 < Erlkoenig> always unprotected? 2013-05-05T02:55:46 < Laurenceb_> lol 2013-05-05T02:56:00 < Laurenceb_> but might not be as nice off my laptop 2013-05-05T02:56:24 < Laurenceb_> on my workstation i stick a .dvi on a separate monitor 2013-05-05T02:56:34 < Tectu> what's your thesis about 2013-05-05T02:56:51 < zyp> failing 2013-05-05T02:57:06 < Laurenceb_> lolz 2013-05-05T02:57:21 < Tectu> laughed so hard that my nose liquid came out 2013-05-05T02:58:20 < Erlkoenig> why are you all doing so fancy stuff 2013-05-05T02:58:29 < Laurenceb_> huh? 2013-05-05T02:58:57 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2013-05-05T02:59:02 < Erlkoenig> well just that diagram:D 2013-05-05T02:59:14 < qyx_> fancy stuff? 2013-05-05T02:59:14 < Erlkoenig> compressed fancyness 2013-05-05T02:59:44 < Tectu> qyx_, are you in GMT+01:00 or +02:00 ? 2013-05-05T03:03:19 < qyx_> gmt+1 dst now, 02:03 here 2013-05-05T03:03:39 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-05T03:10:49 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-180142.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-05T03:13:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-05T03:41:16 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T03:46:16 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-05T03:48:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-05-05T03:55:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T04:01:52 -!- fxd0h [~fx@190.55.238.195] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T04:02:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-05-05T04:11:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T04:19:12 -!- R2COM1 [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T04:20:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T04:22:28 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-05-05T04:26:05 < dongs> hello blogs 2013-05-05T04:26:19 < Erlkoenig> why "blogs"? 2013-05-05T04:31:40 -!- R2COM1 is now known as R2COM 2013-05-05T04:33:23 -!- capacitor [7bf38bbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.187] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T04:36:31 < emeb_mac> hello dongs 2013-05-05T04:37:25 < capacitor> welcome all 2013-05-05T04:40:25 * R2COM shorts capacitor 2013-05-05T04:40:37 * capacitor purrs 2013-05-05T04:42:00 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 2013-05-05T04:44:35 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-89-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-05-05T04:55:19 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T04:55:29 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-05T04:55:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T05:00:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-05-05T05:01:28 -!- Erlkoenig [~erlkoenig@pptp-194-94-198-179.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-05T05:07:38 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T05:19:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-05-05T05:25:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T05:25:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-05-05T05:25:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T05:28:07 -!- capacitor [7bf38bbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.187] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-05T05:42:50 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-05T05:44:12 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T06:05:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-05-05T06:13:43 < R2COM> wow this new 230mm fan has 2x more noise parameter than my previous one but its really silent! 2013-05-05T06:14:53 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@20.sub-75-233-61.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-05-05T06:17:30 < dongs> youre just getting old 2013-05-05T06:17:35 < R2COM> nah 2013-05-05T06:18:04 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/pLKKwSk.jpg 2013-05-05T06:21:18 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-05-05T06:21:32 -!- talsit [~talsit@FLH1Agw127.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T06:21:33 -!- bairdy [~cjb@ppp121-44-177-21.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T06:22:41 < GargantuaSauce> and what's the noise parameter of the photograph? 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anybody a mail address of Tom_L, who hosts the IRC logs? 2013-05-05T14:34:59 < Laurenceb_> you want naughty stuff deleting? 2013-05-05T14:35:23 < UweBonnes> No, only the entries listed reversed, newest on top. 2013-05-05T14:46:56 < UweBonnes> With entries I mean the days on http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23%23stm32/ 2013-05-05T14:48:46 -!- UweBonnes [~bon@p5DDCD57E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Hmmm. 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The last one popped almost right into the ear of the dumb chick who created the initial problems with me and Charlotte. She wasn't Happy. :D 2013-05-05T16:30:34 < Erlkoenig> have a photo of the D&D players in the balloon heap? :D 2013-05-05T16:31:15 < bairdy> Nah, sorry. 2013-05-05T16:31:30 < Erlkoenig> then it didn't happen :X 2013-05-05T16:32:35 <+Steffanx> Erlkoenig didnt happen either? Or are you also on that photo with that car? 2013-05-05T16:32:43 <+Steffanx> -first ? 2013-05-05T16:33:06 < Erlkoenig> i happened 2013-05-05T16:33:15 < Erlkoenig> and what photo exactly? 2013-05-05T16:33:43 <+Steffanx> that one that looks like it has been reposted 1000 times 2013-05-05T16:33:47 <+Steffanx> *the 2013-05-05T16:33:56 < Erlkoenig> ah. well unfortunately not 2013-05-05T16:34:17 <+Steffanx> oh not not that one 2013-05-05T16:34:18 < Erlkoenig> but mom 2013-05-05T16:34:37 <+Steffanx> the other one... with the race car 2013-05-05T16:34:47 <+Steffanx> not that crappy dutch car 2013-05-05T16:36:48 < Erlkoenig> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/225694_569229399787800_820292577_n.jpg this? i am the only longhaired guy there 2013-05-05T16:37:47 <+Steffanx> 3rd photo on the left? 2013-05-05T16:38:38 < Erlkoenig> big photo: behind the girl on the left; topleft photo: 2nd guy from left; bottomright photo: guy on the left 2013-05-05T16:39:02 <+Steffanx> Yeah 2013-05-05T16:40:06 < Erlkoenig> the only one who looks like a competent programmer :3 2013-05-05T16:40:17 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-05-05T16:44:20 < bairdy> bottomright photo: guy on the left - thought that was a girl :P 2013-05-05T16:46:52 <+Steffanx> More ontopic than the talk the last hour 2013-05-05T16:47:13 <+Steffanx> in python you have this 'construction' x = [x for x in something] .. does this construction have a name? 2013-05-05T16:52:07 <+Steffanx> meh, you guys dont like more ontopic talk :P 2013-05-05T16:53:10 < Erlkoenig> you just want more pics of me 2013-05-05T16:53:17 < Erlkoenig> preferably in delicate clothing 2013-05-05T16:54:06 <+Steffanx> You are into man love not? 2013-05-05T16:54:10 <+Steffanx> I'm not so.. too bad for you 2013-05-05T16:54:24 <+Steffanx> oops => ##stm32-crap :P 2013-05-05T16:54:41 < Erlkoenig> tsts what gave you that impression... 2013-05-05T16:54:54 -!- Rickta59 [~kimballr@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-05T16:55:32 < zyp> Steffanx, it's called a «list comprehension» 2013-05-05T16:56:50 <+Steffanx> Hmm, why i looked over it in the python docs 2013-05-05T16:58:18 < jpa-> Steffanx: list compherension 2013-05-05T16:58:29 < jpa-> (i was only 3 minutes late :) 2013-05-05T16:58:40 <+Steffanx> thanks zyp 2013-05-05T16:59:02 <+Steffanx> thanks jpa- 2013-05-05T16:59:49 < zyp> if you drop the [] around it you get a «generator expression» instead 2013-05-05T17:01:23 < zyp> which is pretty similar, except that instead of actually making the list right now, the expression is stored and is executed as the generator is being interated over 2013-05-05T17:02:16 < jpa-> but that's only python 3, right? 2013-05-05T17:02:21 < zyp> no 2013-05-05T17:02:52 < jpa-> hmm yeah, looks like it is in 2.7 also 2013-05-05T17:04:14 < zyp> the main difference is that a generator can only be iterated once 2013-05-05T17:04:32 < zyp> but doesn't require memory to save a potentially huge list of intermediate values 2013-05-05T17:04:36 < 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Posterdati> ok 2013-05-06T00:37:44 < Posterdati> I changed linking using g++ driver instead ld and program stop working, compilation complains about __dso_handle too 2013-05-06T00:37:45 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-147-120.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-06T00:38:45 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a94-133-128-99.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-06T00:40:44 < Posterdati> r3 = 0x0 after reaching HardFault_Handler 2013-05-06T00:41:44 < Erlkoenig> look into the automatically pushed stack frame to get the former value of r3 before the exception handler was invoked 2013-05-06T00:42:07 < Erlkoenig> i think "0" is a valid address for at least some STM32, containing word #0 from flash... 2013-05-06T00:42:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-05-06T00:46:37 < Posterdati> 0x20002328 2013-05-06T00:47:13 < Erlkoenig> yeah so check whether that's a valid address for your controller... see the memory map 2013-05-06T00:47:26 < Erlkoenig> 0x2... looks like RAM 2013-05-06T00:48:11 < Posterdati> yes it is ram 2013-05-06T00:48:15 < Posterdati> stm32f107 2013-05-06T00:48:52 < Erlkoenig> read IPSR and verify that you actually got a **Fault 2013-05-06T00:49:00 < Erlkoenig> and not some other interrupt that just doesn't have a ISR... 2013-05-06T00:49:46 < Posterdati> let me check something... 2013-05-06T00:50:02 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-06T00:53:07 < Posterdati> Erlkoenig: it wasn't USB 2013-05-06T00:53:44 < Posterdati> Erlkoenig: it seems that a copy constructor in a functions jams the whole thing. It worked before when I was linking using ld 2013-05-06T00:54:09 < Erlkoenig> uuh... 2013-05-06T00:55:09 < Posterdati> is it related to __dso_handle? 2013-05-06T00:56:01 < Erlkoenig> i have no idea? :D ... the disassembly of my C++ STM32 program linked with "g++" has nothing with "dso" 2013-05-06T00:56:25 < Erlkoenig> whatever C++ construct caused your code... accessing a valid RAM location should not crash the core 2013-05-06T00:56:38 < Erlkoenig> maybe it was not that ldr instruction, but the one before it 2013-05-06T00:59:21 < Posterdati> I stepi over this instruction 2013-05-06T01:01:09 < Posterdati> 200022a8 g O .data 00000004 .hidden __dso_handle 2013-05-06T01:01:41 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-147-120.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2013-05-06T01:02:12 < TitanMKD> are you sure it is not an ARM instruction instead of a Thumb instruction ? 2013-05-06T01:02:38 -!- Steffann [~Steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Quit: zzzzZZzzz] 2013-05-06T01:03:59 < Posterdati> it's a cortex m3, the code is compiled using -mthumb 2013-05-06T01:04:06 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-147-120.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-06T01:06:11 < Laurenceb_> http://www.mos-electronic.com/en/index.htm 2013-05-06T01:10:43 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-147-120.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-06T01:13:06 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-06T01:13:35 < TitanMKD> Posterdati what's the opcode of the instruction which crash ? 2013-05-06T01:13:51 < TitanMKD> Posterdati and also the full reg states 2013-05-06T01:24:24 < Erlkoenig> hmm apparantly neighours don't like death metal at midnight 2013-05-06T01:29:07 < zyp> weird 2013-05-06T01:31:11 < Posterdati> TitanMKD: problem is that it worked before 2013-05-06T01:33:56 < Posterdati> I just use g++ instead of ld to link 2013-05-06T01:35:45 < Erlkoenig> yes and that's correct 2013-05-06T01:36:57 < Posterdati> I don't know why I have to define __dso_handle, I'm not using any iostream functions 2013-05-06T01:38:47 < Erlkoenig> compile with dummy __dso_handle function, disassemble, find out where it is used 2013-05-06T01:39:21 -!- TitanMKD [Titan@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 2013-05-06T01:41:40 < Erlkoenig> i need to write an "ARM ELF" -> Callgraph generator... seems like there isn't already a good solution that also finds C/C++ Runtime function calls 2013-05-06T01:46:05 < zyp> I were dicking around with that a year and a half ago 2013-05-06T01:46:50 < Erlkoenig> oh made something useful? :) 2013-05-06T01:47:34 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/j4TBZ.png <- I were planning to use it for tracking maximum stack usage 2013-05-06T01:47:47 < zyp> the last line in each box is stack usage 2013-05-06T01:49:01 < Erlkoenig> hmm interesting 2013-05-06T01:49:12 < Erlkoenig> from where do you gather the information= 2013-05-06T01:49:13 < Erlkoenig> ? 2013-05-06T01:49:44 < zyp> but indirect calls pretty much fucks up everything, because it's way harder to track where they are going 2013-05-06T01:50:07 < zyp> i.e. calls through function pointers or virtual functions 2013-05-06T01:51:35 < Erlkoenig> hm yes... would be ok to leave them out i think 2013-05-06T01:53:17 < zyp> for what purpose? I wanted to know exactly how much stack a thread may use, and that would require me to know every function that can be executed in that thread 2013-05-06T01:54:30 < Erlkoenig> yes for that purpose you'd need that... well i wanted such a callgraph generator to figure out whytf g++ links in malloc and other bloat libc functions 2013-05-06T01:57:19 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-06T02:00:12 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-06T02:01:53 < zyp> I was dumping RTL from gcc and just parsing that to find calls 2013-05-06T02:02:14 < zyp> and combined that with the information from -fstack-usage 2013-05-06T02:02:24 < zyp> hmm 2013-05-06T02:02:33 < zyp> probably -fdump-final-insns for the RTL 2013-05-06T02:02:38 < Erlkoenig> ah. like that "egypt" script? or did YOU write that? :D 2013-05-06T02:02:51 < Erlkoenig> when i tried it, IIRC, it did not output libc functions 2013-05-06T02:02:53 < zyp> I wrote something myself 2013-05-06T02:04:19 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-06T02:04:25 < Posterdati> Erlkoenig: still no clue 2013-05-06T02:12:29 < dongs> supo dongs 2013-05-06T02:13:42 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-242-92.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-05-06T02:13:43 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-06T02:13:58 < Posterdati> Erlkoenig: it jams at blx 0x8019784 <__mulsf3> 2013-05-06T02:14:09 < Erlkoenig> woah 2013-05-06T02:14:40 < Erlkoenig> could you check the previous instruction? sometimes the next one is reported... 2013-05-06T02:15:30 < Posterdati> ldr r1, [ pc, #292 ] 2013-05-06T02:15:46 < Posterdati> executed 2013-05-06T02:16:05 < Erlkoenig> verify that $pc+292 is a valid adress... 2013-05-06T02:16:47 < Posterdati> is 292 decimal? 2013-05-06T02:17:10 < Erlkoenig> yup 2013-05-06T02:17:20 -!- flop [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-06T02:17:21 -!- flop [~kvirc@CPE00222de26418-CM00222de26415.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-06T02:17:25 < Posterdati> address is odd 2013-05-06T02:17:26 < Erlkoenig> disasemmbler usually prints the hexadecimals as comments next to the instruction 2013-05-06T02:17:34 < Posterdati> 0x802267b 2013-05-06T02:17:42 < zippe> Posterdati: LSB set in address is normal, indicates Thumb mode. 2013-05-06T02:17:57 < Posterdati> ok 2013-05-06T02:18:01 < Erlkoenig> not in a pointer to stack data?? 2013-05-06T02:18:01 < zippe> the instruction you claim to have stepped over above is not an instruction; check that you are running the code you think you are 2013-05-06T02:18:33 < zippe> Erlkoenig: sorry? 2013-05-06T02:19:24 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-06T02:19:25 < Erlkoenig> ldr r1, [ pc, #292 ] <--- the resulting address, $pc+292 should point to data? and that LSB thing is only for jumping to program instructions? 2013-05-06T02:19:53 < zippe> Erlkoenig: the ldr is a reference to a literal pool, very unlikely to fail unless the ROM is completely full 2013-05-06T02:20:22 < zippe> Erlkoenig: LSB set is legacy ARM behaviour for interworking, but some tools / situations you will still see the LSB set. 2013-05-06T02:20:50 < zippe> Erlkoenig: it's ignored when pc is actually used 2013-05-06T02:21:11 < zippe> (lsb of pc is hardwired to zero) 2013-05-06T02:21:20 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-06T02:33:34 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-177-61-171.range86-177.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-05-06T02:44:13 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.228] has joined ##stm32 2013-05-06T02:49:33 < zyp> 01:13:58 < Posterdati> Erlkoenig: it jams at blx 0x8019784 <__mulsf3> 2013-05-06T02:49:40 < zyp> that's an obvous fault 2013-05-06T02:50:11 < zyp> blx