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[~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T03:39:33 < upgrdman> havnt played with the dac periph. is is true analog, or just a really high freq pwm? 2013-08-01T03:42:41 < dongs> true analol'g 2013-08-01T03:50:50 < dongs> Just got new spam from atmel 2013-08-01T03:50:51 < dongs> "Bringing AVR Ease-of-Use to Cortex M0+ MCUs 2013-08-01T03:51:54 < dongs> 350ksps 12bit adc 2013-08-01T03:52:16 < dongs> Single-cycle IO access, supporting a pin toggling frequency up to 24 MHz 2013-08-01T03:52:17 < dongs> oh gawd 2013-08-01T03:52:26 < dongs> doesnt all cortex suck for not having that 2013-08-01T03:52:29 < dongs> maybe atmel is on to something here 2013-08-01T04:06:00 < qyx_> any drawbacks come to your mind in using spi over lvds for board-board interconnect? 2013-08-01T04:07:30 -!- mrmcan is now known as mrcan 2013-08-01T04:12:43 -!- cehteh [~cehteh@pipapo.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-01T04:12:53 < BrainDamage> speed? 2013-08-01T04:13:45 -!- cehteh [~cehteh@pipapo.org] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T04:15:25 < dongs> isnt lvds like for doing parallel stuff 2013-08-01T04:17:01 < qyx_> BrainDamage: > 5mbps 2013-08-01T04:18:01 < qyx_> just streaming data unidirectionally e.g. data from adc/sensors 2013-08-01T04:18:13 < BrainDamage> spi should be a bit more noise tollerant and slightly more power hungry 2013-08-01T04:18:43 < BrainDamage> lvds main advantage is indeed being able to have multiple "lanes" with minimal near field coupling 2013-08-01T04:18:49 < qyx_> i meant spi with lvds transmitter/receiver 2013-08-01T04:19:18 < qyx_> 2 lanes, serial data and clock 2013-08-01T04:20:45 < BrainDamage> at such low speed, why even bothering with lvds? 2013-08-01T04:21:08 < dongs> 5mhz is yeah.. why bother 2013-08-01T04:22:09 < qyx_> some people tend to use that to avoid coupling noise on longer distance lines 2013-08-01T04:22:42 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.217.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-01T04:22:59 < qyx_> also i assume that lower power is needed to drive higher capacity wires using lvds 2013-08-01T04:27:03 < dongs> ive only seen lvds transmitters taht start at like 7bits per lane 2013-08-01T04:27:52 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-01T04:28:48 < qyx_> http://www.ti.com/product/ds90lv011a 2013-08-01T04:29:20 < qyx_> and receiver http://www.ti.com/product/ds90lv012a 2013-08-01T04:29:55 < dongs> lol 2013-08-01T04:31:10 < dongs> notice "200MHz" switching rate 2013-08-01T04:31:14 < dongs> you'll be wasting it on 5mhz signal 2013-08-01T04:32:28 < qyx_> :S 2013-08-01T04:32:46 < qyx_> i can go up to 42MHz 2013-08-01T04:49:37 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.221.248] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T04:52:22 -!- mrcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-01T04:53:18 -!- mrcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T04:54:44 < Lt_Lemming> WHY did they have to put USART1 right next to the USB pins >_< 2013-08-01T05:00:35 < talsit> as opposed to where? 2013-08-01T05:01:01 < dongs> you can remap usart1 2013-08-01T05:01:09 < dongs> but you';ll lose bootloader on it 2013-08-01T05:01:19 < dongs> (assuming you care) 2013-08-01T05:01:20 < Lt_Lemming> yeah, I need it for bootloadering 2013-08-01T05:01:23 < talsit> but don't do it, because if you do, dongs will laugh at you for remaping 2013-08-01T05:01:40 < dongs> also that. 2013-08-01T05:01:48 < dongs> talsit: turn on your tv to NHKG at 11:58 today 2013-08-01T05:01:55 < talsit> why? 2013-08-01T05:02:16 < dongs> because i said so 2013-08-01T05:02:30 < talsit> ummm... that's a perfectly valid reason to NOT do it 2013-08-01T05:09:26 < Lt_Lemming> welll FSCK 2013-08-01T05:09:58 < Lt_Lemming> just realised I'm using BOOT1 with my ethernet module, and rerouting that to another pin is going to be a cast iron bitch >_< 2013-08-01T05:13:10 -!- izzy84075 [~quassel@50.46.21.254] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T05:16:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@72.223.90.58] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T05:18:16 < dongs> hm? youre using boot1 as gpio? 2013-08-01T05:18:23 < dongs> just add a pulldown to it and declare victory? 2013-08-01T05:18:33 < Lt_Lemming> I was using it as the interrupt for the ethernet module 2013-08-01T05:18:41 < dongs> sure so just add 10k to ground, done 2013-08-01T05:18:47 < dongs> you can use it as GPIO after boot 2013-08-01T05:18:51 < dongs> and 10k will keep it down during boot. 2013-08-01T05:19:16 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@72.223.90.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-01T05:19:21 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@109.48.4.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-01T05:19:53 < Lt_Lemming> I only need it sometimes though, for initial bootloader writing and if I want to write a different bootloader on there 2013-08-01T05:20:13 < dongs> boot1 doesnt matter for bootloader 2013-08-01T05:20:14 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T05:20:16 < dongs> its for sram/wahtever shit 2013-08-01T05:20:22 < dongs> so just add a permanent pulldown and its fine 2013-08-01T05:20:32 < dongs> its boot0 that you need to have a switch/wahtever on 2013-08-01T05:20:55 < Lt_Lemming> http://leaflabs.com/docs/bootloader.html <--- according to that which is what I am building to, I need Boot1 2013-08-01T05:21:11 < dongs> ? 2013-08-01T05:21:18 < dongs> the only mention of "BOOT1" in that page says exactly waht I told you 2013-08-01T05:21:46 < talsit> boot0 = 0 boot from FLASH; boot0 = 1, boot from where boot1 tells you 2013-08-01T05:21:57 < dongs> also, maple bootloader fucking sucsk 2013-08-01T05:22:02 < dongs> just use ST's DFU sample 2013-08-01T05:22:36 < Lt_Lemming> I have my reasons for using them, they are not your reasons, they are my reasons. 2013-08-01T05:22:50 < talsit> and, from memory, boot1 = 0 boot from ROM, boot1 = 1 boot from SRAM 2013-08-01T05:24:10 < talsit> i suspect that maybe maple's bootload may be doing something special on boot1, if it needs something specific there 2013-08-01T05:24:11 < Lt_Lemming> yeah on the Maple afaik it invokes the original bootloader from ST to allow you to write a new bootloader via the serial interface 2013-08-01T05:24:57 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@153.56.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T05:35:13 < talsit> dongs: takachi are idiots 2013-08-01T05:35:34 < talsit> i requested a catalogue in english, because i already have the jp version, and i just got another jp catalogue 2013-08-01T05:36:30 < dongs> lo 2013-08-01T05:36:38 < Lt_Lemming> sorted it 2013-08-01T05:36:42 < dongs> i just got free sample from them 2013-08-01T05:36:45 < Lt_Lemming> moved some traces a bit 2013-08-01T05:36:56 < dongs> Lt_Lemming: sorted how 2013-08-01T05:36:58 < Lt_Lemming> put a jumper to short the pin to GND if needs be 2013-08-01T05:37:02 < dongs> ....... 2013-08-01T05:37:04 < dongs> jesus fucking chriwst 2013-08-01T05:37:09 < dongs> do you like not listen at ALL? 2013-08-01T05:37:13 < Lt_Lemming> bite me dongs 2013-08-01T05:37:15 < Lt_Lemming> bite me 2013-08-01T05:37:16 < dongs> all you needed was 10k pulldown on it. 2013-08-01T05:37:18 < talsit> to you? probably not 2013-08-01T05:37:22 < dongs> wtyf do you need a jumper for??? 2013-08-01T05:37:22 < Lt_Lemming> follwoing their design, not yours 2013-08-01T05:37:25 < dongs> go for it. 2013-08-01T05:37:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/W7pSCFK.jpg < free shit from takachi 2013-08-01T05:37:39 < dongs> i duno if they have a english deadtree catalog 2013-08-01T05:37:42 < dongs> why dont you just read the PDFs? 2013-08-01T05:37:46 < talsit> oh, their mxa series? 2013-08-01T05:37:49 < talsit> oh, just the mx 2013-08-01T05:37:52 < dongs> MX2-5-8 i think 2013-08-01T05:37:53 < talsit> not aluminium ends 2013-08-01T05:38:20 < talsit> i'm gonna be using the mxa series for my next project 2013-08-01T05:38:30 < dongs> got pcb for it already designed. it'll be here saturday so i can try fitting it 2013-08-01T05:38:42 < dongs> mxa is more epxnesive to do custom work in. 2013-08-01T05:38:44 < dongs> (cuz of alu milling) 2013-08-01T05:38:49 < dongs> plastic stuffi s cheap 2013-08-01T05:38:52 < talsit> yep, that's fine 2013-08-01T05:38:55 < talsit> plastic is too cheap 2013-08-01T05:39:02 < dongs> i need to keep my 500% profit on these 2013-08-01T05:39:06 < talsit> look and feel 2013-08-01T05:39:08 < dongs> so i can't go too expensive. 2013-08-01T05:39:29 < talsit> 80% of my BOM's cost are the connectors, so, i'm not skimping on the case 2013-08-01T05:44:49 < dongs> plus mxa robs 2.5mm per side 2013-08-01T05:44:52 < dongs> from pcb width 2013-08-01T05:44:59 < dongs> then i'd have to have it custom length cut 2013-08-01T05:45:12 < dongs> and i already paid too much for 100s of custom cut cases because of my fuckup :p 2013-08-01T05:50:24 < Lt_Lemming> http://i.imgur.com/CZq8m4Y.jpg 2013-08-01T05:51:10 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined 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2013-08-01T06:15:56 < dongs> i thought it would be pretty obvious 2013-08-01T06:15:56 < emeb_mac> happy mailman day 2013-08-01T06:16:25 < talsit> dongs: no 2013-08-01T06:19:09 < dongs> 0000 13 0e 31 a2 51 65 bd 40 64 07 64 47 09 e1 ..1.Qe.@ d.dG.. 2013-08-01T06:19:10 < dongs> YESS 2013-08-01T06:19:22 < dongs> it worked 2013-08-01T06:19:31 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-01T06:28:17 < talsit> dongs: so, nothing on TV... sure 2013-08-01T06:31:26 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T06:38:37 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-01T06:45:04 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-01T06:45:15 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T06:48:08 < dongs> talsit: did yours look like this? https://youtube.com/watch?v=xBV_d00BusY 2013-08-01T06:51:00 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T07:04:18 < talsit> dongs: yes 2013-08-01T07:12:15 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T07:36:31 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-01T07:37:43 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-33-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-01T07:38:27 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T07:39:10 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-01T07:51:54 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T07:55:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-01T07:58:14 -!- espiral 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guessing the 'K' gets stolen regularly... 2013-08-01T10:03:59 < dongs> right 2013-08-01T10:04:09 < dongs> or shopped. 2013-08-01T10:22:02 -!- DanteA [~X@host-49-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T10:24:45 < R2COM> perfect place for the first date 2013-08-01T10:26:36 < dongs> agreed 2013-08-01T10:27:31 < dongs> got some of my 4L shit in but no stencil yet 2013-08-01T10:27:33 < dongs> saturday. 2013-08-01T10:27:35 < dongs> bored. 2013-08-01T10:27:55 < R2COM> do it like a man then, apply solder with iron, and do it this way. 2013-08-01T10:28:00 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-01T10:28:18 < dongs> haha no 2013-08-01T10:28:22 < dongs> 0402 and QFNs 2013-08-01T10:28:24 < R2COM> just need good liquid flux pen then 2013-08-01T10:28:28 < R2COM> pff 2013-08-01T10:28:30 < dongs> i dont even wanna handpalce it 2013-08-01T10:28:31 < R2COM> I did 0402 that way 2013-08-01T10:28:34 < R2COM> and 3x3mm qfns 2013-08-01T10:34:00 < R2COM> another suggestion is to go to strip bar while stencils are on the way then. 2013-08-01T10:37:52 < jpa-> 0402 is not difficult at all, but with stencils on the way, why bother 2013-08-01T10:41:21 < dongs> when im making as much off the shit I wanna spend as little time on making it as possible 2013-08-01T10:41:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T11:00:47 < dongs> Laurenceb_: wtf are you doing 2013-08-01T11:03:23 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-01T11:11:11 -!- Inrelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-01T11:12:11 -!- Inrelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T11:27:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-49-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2013-08-01T11:28:18 -!- DanteA [~X@host-49-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T11:34:38 < dongs> R2COM: i ordered a SMA tee 2013-08-01T11:34:56 < dongs> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160603135756 2013-08-01T11:35:44 < dongs> nice fucking fail 2013-08-01T11:35:52 < dongs> some jap sent in a pcb with gerber layers all in jap 2013-08-01T11:35:58 < dongs> and in .lzh file 2013-08-01T11:36:06 < dongs> when unpacked, 2 filenames were same because of encoding fuckup 2013-08-01T11:36:16 < dongs> and one of hte layers in the board got missing thanx to that 2013-08-01T11:40:26 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@bzq-79-177-160-87.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-01T11:58:21 -!- DanteA [~X@host-49-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-01T12:04:57 <+dekar_> Japan still hasn't sorted out their weird charset problems? Isn't Windows fully UTF16 these days? 2013-08-01T12:15:48 -!- DanteA [~X@host-113-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T12:23:57 < dongs> dekar_: you wish 2013-08-01T12:24:04 < dongs> dekar_: they use bullshit LZH software from like 1986 2013-08-01T12:24:06 < dongs> thats still shift-jis only 2013-08-01T12:24:29 < dongs> LHA32 version 2.67.00 for test Copyright (c) H.Yoshizakiüiïgì.ëhæ.üj, 1988-95 2013-08-01T12:24:34 < dongs> this is newest version of lha32.exe 2013-08-01T12:24:37 < dongs> from 1995. 2013-08-01T12:24:41 < dongs> i wish i was joking :( 2013-08-01T12:29:59 < Laurenceb> self trolled 2013-08-01T12:35:29 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T12:36:26 < R2COM> http://uploads.oshpark.com/uploads/layer/image/6GZFM0SF/large_i.png 2013-08-01T12:37:25 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-01T12:37:57 < R2COM> I order that those kind of things from minicircuits 2013-08-01T12:38:03 < R2COM> or hittitie 2013-08-01T12:39:23 < R2COM> hittite I mean 2013-08-01T12:41:16 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T12:43:50 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-01T12:48:55 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.137.239] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T12:49:01 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T12:51:31 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-01T12:53:16 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-01T12:53:21 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-01T12:55:03 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T13:10:21 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-01T13:12:59 < Laurenceb> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4038569&cid=44444093 2013-08-01T13:13:01 < Laurenceb> lolling 2013-08-01T13:15:53 <+Steffanx> Don't you have a thesis to finish Laurenceb? 2013-08-01T13:24:17 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T13:31:09 -!- Inrelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-01T13:35:41 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T13:45:07 * Laurenceb has http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product/191377/Conrad-DP-M17-USB-Digital-Microscope-10x-to-200x-Magnification-90-Megapixel-High-Resolution 2013-08-01T13:45:17 < Laurenceb> pretty useful for checking pcbs 2013-08-01T13:46:11 < Lt_Lemming> I missed out on getting a Vision Eng Mantis for $250 earlier this year 2013-08-01T13:46:17 < Lt_Lemming> kicking myself about it now 2013-08-01T13:47:55 < Laurenceb> in b4 dongs 2013-08-01T13:48:04 < Laurenceb> "now you can find your cock" 2013-08-01T13:48:44 < Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/13/1375296841/thebirdstwittertrolls.jpg 2013-08-01T13:48:46 < Laurenceb> epic lolz 2013-08-01T14:04:30 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@100.sub-75-196-87.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T14:05:22 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-01T14:09:16 <+dekar_> dongs, so lha is an open source compression tool? I don't think I've heard of it before. 2013-08-01T14:23:38 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@100.sub-75-196-87.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-01T14:50:51 < gnomad> lha goes back to the days of comp.binaries.ibm.pc 2013-08-01T14:51:44 <+Steffanx> Then it must be as old als BJFreeman 2013-08-01T14:52:08 <+Steffanx> *as 2013-08-01T14:55:52 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-08-01T14:59:16 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-01T14:59:21 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T15:01:19 < Laurenceb> niceeee 2013-08-01T15:01:29 < Laurenceb> just got next day mouser delivery to uk 2013-08-01T15:01:39 < Laurenceb> looks like they have a Munich depot 2013-08-01T15:08:53 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-01T15:27:23 < dongs> commence blog 2013-08-01T15:30:35 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-01T15:35:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T15:36:33 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/7/75/Namefag.jpg 2013-08-01T15:38:08 < gxti> boring crap 2013-08-01T15:39:55 < dongs> ?? i dont even get it 2013-08-01T15:39:58 < dongs> shits UNFUNNY TO THE MAX 2013-08-01T15:40:17 <+Steffanx> trolling isn't supposed to be funny remember? 2013-08-01T15:41:13 <+Steffanx> and they all fall for it, even Laurenceb. Unless it's faked. 2013-08-01T15:54:11 < dongs> no, trolling is alwys funny 2013-08-01T15:54:20 < dongs> lame trolling is unfunny 2013-08-01T16:00:35 <+Steffanx> Then you have to teach a certain person in here how to troll dongs. 2013-08-01T16:03:23 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-240-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T16:10:45 < Laurenceb> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7704367616/h651B89E2/ 2013-08-01T16:17:57 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T16:21:29 < Laurenceb> https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7685697280/h15DAE9E0/ 2013-08-01T16:25:25 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-01T16:27:23 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T16:34:58 <+Steffanx> [insert my standard reaction to non-funny and fake stuff Laurenceb posts] 2013-08-01T16:41:44 < zyp> ok 2013-08-01T16:42:38 <+Steffanx> lol zyp. :) 2013-08-01T16:43:17 <+Steffanx> You're an Altium Master yet? 2013-08-01T16:43:31 < dongs> zyp, the windysdr guy is on irc 2013-08-01T16:43:35 < dongs> currently attempting to trollhim 2013-08-01T16:44:09 < zyp> Steffanx, still getting there 2013-08-01T16:44:12 <+Steffanx> Mr. O'Shield dongs? 2013-08-01T16:44:16 < dongs> Steffanx: ya 2013-08-01T16:44:20 <+Steffanx> Where? 2013-08-01T16:44:48 < dongs> ##rtlsdr 2013-08-01T16:45:41 < dongs> Steffanx: "haw" is him 2013-08-01T16:46:06 < zyp> hawt 2013-08-01T16:48:29 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-01T16:54:39 < zyp> hmm, USB 3.1 announced now 2013-08-01T16:55:04 < dongs> old news 2013-08-01T16:55:22 <+Steffanx> I don't even have a pc that does 3.0 yet :P 2013-08-01T16:55:42 < zyp> dongs, yeah, I looked at a draft half a year ago or so .p 2013-08-01T16:57:46 <+Steffanx> I still don't understand what this is all about anyway dongs. Maybe I don't care either. 2013-08-01T16:58:20 < zyp> Steffanx, been a while since last time you got a new computer then 2013-08-01T16:59:15 <+Steffanx> 2010 .. 2013-08-01T16:59:52 < zyp> exactly 2013-08-01T17:00:08 <+Steffanx> Which is only 3 years. I don't think 3 years is THAT bad. 2013-08-01T17:00:44 < zyp> no, it's not 2013-08-01T17:00:56 < zyp> just a while :p 2013-08-01T17:01:00 <+Steffanx> ( does Apple do USB3.0? ) 2013-08-01T17:01:12 < zyp> yep 2013-08-01T17:01:24 <+Steffanx> Whoa, i thought they were only into thunderbolt and stuff. 2013-08-01T17:01:33 < zyp> only since last year though 2013-08-01T17:02:47 < zyp> retina macbook were the first with usb3, then I believe all the other models since also got it 2013-08-01T17:03:31 < zyp> which means that my 2011 macbook doesn't have it, so I also still use computers without usb3 2013-08-01T17:03:41 < zyp> but both my workstation and my new server have it 2013-08-01T17:04:13 <+Steffanx> My next pc won't be Apple hw anyway, so it will have usb3.x for sure :) 2013-08-01T17:05:53 < zyp> you don't like apple hardware? :p 2013-08-01T17:07:24 <+Steffanx> I think we should stop this talk here, otherwise I will say things the anti-apple people like 2013-08-01T17:07:28 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-01T17:07:59 < dongs> ha ha 2013-08-01T17:11:50 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.255.55] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-01T17:30:22 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T17:31:21 < dongs> http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2013/07/19/linux-the-dunning-kruger-os/ nice read 2013-08-01T17:33:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T17:38:24 < dongs> As for the software… well, it’s a clone of a 1970s OS, people. Not impressive or unique in the least. Trying to bring 70s technology into 2013 is already where many things go wrong. 2013-08-01T17:38:28 < dongs> But okay, they did manage to bolt on most features that more contemporary OSes have as well. However, I can’t think of any feature that is actually unique on linux, or at least better than on any other OS. It’s mostly just poorly copied functionality from other OSes. What is there to get excited about, really? 2013-08-01T17:38:34 < dongs> haha 2013-08-01T17:41:08 < PaulFertser> haha 2013-08-01T17:43:59 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-01T17:47:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-01T17:48:51 <+Steffanx> My experience: bootcamp drivers suck ASS 2013-08-01T17:49:08 <+Steffanx> ( thanks to apple, yes ) 2013-08-01T17:49:27 < dongs> My experience: apple shit sucks ass 2013-08-01T17:50:56 <+Steffanx> My experience: I don't give a f*ck about dongs's experiences. 2013-08-01T17:52:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.255.55] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T17:52:52 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-01T17:53:22 < dongs> http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2013/06/16/the-problem-with-freeopen-source-software/ this guy is on a roll 2013-08-01T17:53:39 < dongs> However, I have come to the conclusion that free software is free and open under the following conditions: 2013-08-01T17:53:43 < dongs> - You can use any compiler as long as it’s gcc (with some tight version requirements) / - You can compile for any OS as long as it’s linux / - You can compile for any architecture, as long as it’s x86 2013-08-01T17:58:05 <+Steffanx> dongs found himself a new favourite blogger 2013-08-01T17:58:14 < dongs> i know the guy on irc 2013-08-01T17:58:22 < dongs> but i havent read hisshit for a while 2013-08-01T17:58:31 -!- DanteA [~X@host-113-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-01T17:59:06 <+Steffanx> I bet you know him from #osx or so 2013-08-01T17:59:14 < dongs> ha ha no. 2013-08-01T17:59:19 < dongs> more like #asm 2013-08-01T17:59:49 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host147-171-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-01T18:00:09 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-240-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-01T18:01:15 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-48-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T18:06:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-01T18:11:48 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host103-221-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T18:17:13 < Laurenceb> trollblogs 2013-08-01T18:17:23 < Laurenceb> lol that guy was talking up winRT 2013-08-01T18:17:26 < Laurenceb> selftrolled 2013-08-01T18:28:42 <+Steffanx> Is winRT that bad.. it's not what people expect from a windows system, but it don't think it's really bad 2013-08-01T18:29:19 < Laurenceb> its a commercial failure :P 2013-08-01T18:29:28 < Laurenceb> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4038569&cid=44444551 2013-08-01T18:29:33 < Laurenceb> more trolling for dongs 2013-08-01T18:32:30 <+Steffanx> Meh, another reason why i dont visit slashdot and similar websites 2013-08-01T18:32:56 <+Steffanx> As nowadays is all about "Me trying to be funnier than everyone that posted crap before me" 2013-08-01T18:33:05 <+Steffanx> *that => who 2013-08-01T18:33:27 <+Steffanx> Yes im boring/grumpy, but that is known. 2013-08-01T18:34:07 <+Steffanx> And im proud of it. 2013-08-01T18:34:33 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T18:36:58 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.137.239] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-01T18:42:13 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T18:44:37 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-48-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-01T18:47:56 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-01T18:52:42 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T18:59:50 < Laurenceb> http://assets2.motherboard.tv/content-images/article/skyping-santa-pooping-logs-blackface-elves-the-holidays-are-awful/e6254656020f55927646bac36e2023fd_vice_630x420.jpg 2013-08-01T18:59:59 < Laurenceb> dong and chums ? 2013-08-01T19:24:10 -!- ohama [ohama@46.229.238.172.vnet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T19:30:56 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb get your facts straight. 2013-08-01T19:33:46 <+Steffanx> Those are "Zwarte Pieten" and part of a well known dutch celebrated holiday. 2013-08-01T19:34:31 < Laurenceb> even more lulzworthy 2013-08-01T19:35:00 <+Steffanx> I don't see the fun, but whatever. 2013-08-01T20:11:24 -!- DanteA [~X@host-241-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T20:11:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-01T20:13:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.246.164] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T20:18:29 -!- DanteA [~X@host-241-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-01T20:40:17 -!- DanteA [~X@host-241-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T20:52:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-01T20:54:57 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T20:57:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.246.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-01T20:57:19 < englishman> http://scalibq.wordpress.com/2013/07/19/linux-the-dunning-kruger-os/ 2013-08-01T20:57:21 < englishman> good read 2013-08-01T20:59:23 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T21:02:34 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-01T21:02:50 < emeb> It's all academic - the only OSes that matter for the future are those for smartphones. :P 2013-08-01T21:05:19 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@82.sub-75-233-230.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T21:06:10 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-01T21:09:19 <+Steffanx> emeb works in marketing, for sure. 2013-08-01T21:28:55 < emeb> bite your tongue. 2013-08-01T21:30:27 <+Steffanx> Yes sir 2013-08-01T21:32:14 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T21:37:43 < emeb> It's interesting that trolling can be indistinguishable from marketing... 2013-08-01T21:40:51 < BrainDamage> well, our country's most famous troll just got condemned in final degree judgement 2013-08-01T21:41:51 < BrainDamage> I believe that's a bad precent for internet trolls when irl ones start to get busted 2013-08-01T21:45:11 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-01T21:45:38 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-01T21:58:54 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T21:59:01 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-01T21:59:16 -!- DanteA [~X@host-241-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-01T21:59:18 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-01T22:02:14 < ossifrage> anyone know what new STM32 parts have in the flash? Do they ship erased (0xFF) or with some test data? 2013-08-01T22:10:28 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-01T22:11:27 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T22:29:44 < BJfreeman> ossifrage never looked, just load the bootloader or program 2013-08-01T22:34:32 < jpa-> empty, AFAIK 2013-08-01T22:35:14 < ossifrage> BJfreeman, it was more of a question of what to do to make a 'used' chip look like something fresh from the factory for testing 2013-08-01T22:35:52 < ossifrage> all the chips I have at hand have at least something on the flash 2013-08-01T22:35:58 < R0b0t1> wat r u doan 2013-08-01T22:36:00 < R0b0t1> sneeky boi 2013-08-01T22:38:24 < R0b0t1> englishman, still does not change the fact the linux component of support that had to come from nvidia was not offerd 2013-08-01T22:39:54 < R0b0t1> And the speed difference is related to people porting reverse engineered drivers with no idea of how they were intended to work 2013-08-01T22:39:59 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-01T22:41:37 < BJfreeman> ossifrage if you have a FTDI you can do an erase, been a while since I did it so can't give directions 2013-08-01T22:43:10 < ossifrage> BJfreeman, erasing the flash isn't a problem, what I don't know is if the chips are shipped erased or if they have some test pattern. 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2013-08-02T02:42:10 < emeb> big fun 2013-08-02T02:42:16 < emeb> keep those cops busy 2013-08-02T02:42:48 < dongs> https://github.com/mtuomi/SecondReality 2013-08-02T02:42:51 < dongs> port to stm32 2013-08-02T02:43:18 < emeb> work great on an F4 w/ TFT LCD. 2013-08-02T02:43:37 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-02T02:50:02 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T02:54:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-02T02:55:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T03:02:55 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-02T03:10:11 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T03:22:39 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T03:27:45 < Thorn> Array Size : 8790400512 (8383.18 GiB 9001.37 GB) 2013-08-02T03:27:46 < Thorn> Used Dev Size : 2930133504 (2794.39 GiB 3000.46 GB) 2013-08-02T03:28:03 < Thorn> fuck hard disk manufacturers and their decimal gigabytes 2013-08-02T03:33:51 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@82.sub-75-233-230.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-02T03:33:57 < dongs> decimal niggabytes 2013-08-02T03:44:31 < zyp> hardcore 2013-08-02T03:48:01 < zyp> I'm quite happy with how my zfs setup turned out 2013-08-02T03:48:08 < zyp> NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT 2013-08-02T03:48:08 < zyp> zp0 21.8T 7.63T 14.1T 35% 1.00x ONLINE - 2013-08-02T04:02:10 < Thorn> After their first reallocation, drives are over 14 times more likely to fail within 60 days than drives without reallocation counts, making the critical thereshold for this parameter also '1' 2013-08-02T04:25:30 < Thorn> highly amusing http://forums.storagereview.com/index.php/topic/29208-how-to-use-desktop-drives-in-raid-without-tlererccctl/ 2013-08-02T04:30:19 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-02T04:31:23 < dongs> posted by someone wiht a username "zfs lover" screams like a fucking troll 2013-08-02T04:31:36 < dongs> half of my raid is wd green trash with tler and i have had zero issues 2013-08-02T04:31:48 < dongs> maybe its the lunix faggots with software raid who are fucking shit up 2013-08-02T04:32:07 < Thorn> >wd green trash with tler -- they don't have tler 2013-08-02T04:32:36 < Thorn> and message #4 says they're ok with linux software raid (md) 2013-08-02T04:33:28 < Thorn> (it's hardware raid cards which have problems with those disks) 2013-08-02T04:41:27 < gxti> looks like the blind leading the blind to me 2013-08-02T04:43:47 < dongs> ^ 2013-08-02T04:47:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-02T04:51:03 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T05:06:38 -!- gnomad 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2013-08-02T11:08:43 < jpa-> well it doesn't have debug symbols 2013-08-02T11:08:53 < jpa-> you can load it with the 'memory' command 2013-08-02T11:09:11 < jpa-> err 2013-08-02T11:09:14 < jpa-> restore command 2013-08-02T11:09:37 < Tectu> (gdb) restore blackmagic.bin 2013-08-02T11:09:37 < Tectu> 'blackmagic.bin' is not a recognized file format. 2013-08-02T11:10:06 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-02T11:10:21 < Tectu> (I know that arguments are missing, but that error looks wrong) 2013-08-02T11:11:29 < Tectu> also it says that anything but FILE is optional... what is that error? Is the binary corrupt? 2013-08-02T11:14:44 < Tectu> [tectu@TecWork src]$ arm-none-eabi-objdump -d blackmagic.bin 2013-08-02T11:14:44 < Tectu> arm-none-eabi-objdump: blackmagic.bin: File format not recognized 2013-08-02T11:14:45 < Tectu> what the hack... 2013-08-02T11:16:26 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T11:17:01 < jpa-> Tectu: .bin files don't even tell where to load it 2013-08-02T11:17:03 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T11:17:18 < jpa-> .bin files are just raw data, their corruption cannot be notices 2013-08-02T11:17:29 < Tectu> shouldn't objdump work on it? 2013-08-02T11:17:33 < Tectu> hmm 2013-08-02T11:17:36 < jpa-> not without extra args 2013-08-02T11:17:40 < Tectu> aah 2013-08-02T11:17:46 < Tectu> so I have restore FILE OFFSET START END 2013-08-02T11:17:53 < Tectu> OFFSET and START are 0 I guess? 2013-08-02T11:18:05 < Tectu> and end is something like sizeof(blackmagic.bin) ? 2013-08-02T11:18:18 < jpa-> end is probably not needed 2013-08-02T11:18:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-02T11:18:35 < Tectu> (gdb) restore blackmagic.bin 0 0 2013-08-02T11:18:35 < Tectu> 'blackmagic.bin' is not a recognized file format. 2013-08-02T11:18:42 < Tectu> it does still not like it 2013-08-02T11:19:11 < Tectu> even with a guessed END 2013-08-02T11:20:04 < jpa-> do you even have the file? 2013-08-02T11:20:16 < Tectu> yes 2013-08-02T11:20:18 < Tectu> it auto completes 2013-08-02T11:20:22 < Tectu> oh... 2013-08-02T11:20:23 < jpa-> ls -l blackmagic.bin :P 2013-08-02T11:20:27 < Tectu> it autocompletes the folder blackmagic/ 2013-08-02T11:20:36 < Tectu> no wait 2013-08-02T11:20:41 < Tectu> I am inside that directory 2013-08-02T11:20:46 < jpa-> you are lost 2013-08-02T11:21:02 < Tectu> [tectu@TecWork src]$ ls -l blackmagic.bin 2013-08-02T11:21:02 < Tectu> -rwxr-xr-x 1 tectu users 72152 Aug 2 12:02 blackmagic.bin 2013-08-02T11:21:05 < Tectu> I am not. 2013-08-02T11:21:12 < jpa-> hmm 2013-08-02T11:21:22 < dongs> all teh fucking effort you wasted 2013-08-02T11:21:26 < dongs> on getting that cloend shit running 2013-08-02T11:21:32 < dongs> you could have purchased jlinkob from china 2013-08-02T11:21:33 < dongs> received it 2013-08-02T11:21:36 < dongs> and could have been debugging for months now 2013-08-02T11:21:44 < dongs> it even comes with a fucking gdbserver 2013-08-02T11:21:46 < dongs> for freetrds like ytou 2013-08-02T11:22:08 < dongs> i forgot to mention and only spent $13 on it) 2013-08-02T11:22:14 < Tectu> jpa-, any ideas? 2013-08-02T11:22:38 < Tectu> jpa-, I took the latest blackmagic master but as you said... the binary cannot be corrupt 2013-08-02T11:22:53 < jpa-> Tectu: well maybe we should have read the manual 2013-08-02T11:22:59 < jpa-> " The restore command can automatically recognize any known bfd file format, except for raw binary. To restore a raw binary file you must specify the optional keyword binary after the filename." 2013-08-02T11:23:18 < jpa-> too bad the online help doesn't tell that 2013-08-02T11:23:36 < Tectu> hmm 2013-08-02T11:23:51 < Tectu> yes, that might be the reason I didn't see it either 2013-08-02T11:24:18 < Tectu> dongs, was this the point you failed, btw? 2013-08-02T11:24:27 < jpa-> dongs never fails 2013-08-02T11:24:55 < dongs> ? 2013-08-02T11:25:17 < Tectu> dongie, when you tried to flash "my" BMPs 2013-08-02T11:25:28 < Tectu> jpa-, well, I have here also a .hex, but that is named blackmagic_dfu.hex 2013-08-02T11:25:56 < Tectu> but I don't know what the _dfu tries to tell me here and I do hard finding any useful docs 2013-08-02T11:26:22 < dongs> Tectu: no, the bootloader zyp or whoever provided was fucked (old/busted usb stuff on it) and since its built in a spyware/rootkit way and protects itself on boot, i can't get rid of it 2013-08-02T11:26:26 < dongs> to flash a working one. 2013-08-02T11:26:41 < Tectu> I see 2013-08-02T11:27:43 < Tectu> oh look what I found, jpa- https://github.com/gsmcmullin/blackmagic/blob/master/HACKING#L10 2013-08-02T11:27:47 < jpa-> i bet the windows stlink v2 software would be able to restore it.. it's smart enough to connect under reset and unlike open sores shit it can also remove write protect 2013-08-02T11:27:48 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-230-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-02T11:28:18 < dongs> jpa, i *was* using stlink i think. or whatever. I forgot. 2013-08-02T11:28:21 < jpa-> Tectu: and how is that relevant/surprising? 2013-08-02T11:28:22 < dongs> it was all shit anyhow. 2013-08-02T11:28:39 < Tectu> jpa-, he didn't name the .elf as a .elf 2013-08-02T11:28:54 < jpa-> it happens 2013-08-02T11:28:58 < jpa-> nuttx does that also 2013-08-02T11:29:42 < Tectu> good to know 2013-08-02T11:29:52 < jpa-> well, in a way, your whole computer is full of .elf files that are not named as .elf.. just look in /usr/bi 2013-08-02T11:30:54 < Tectu> those are .elf? why? 2013-08-02T11:31:01 < Tectu> aren't .elf basically just binaries with debug symbols? 2013-08-02T11:31:08 < Tectu> why would you need debug symbols in those application? 2013-08-02T11:32:06 < jpa-> .elf may or may not contain debug symbols 2013-08-02T11:32:25 < jpa-> just do file /usr/bin/whatever :P 2013-08-02T11:32:37 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-02T11:35:27 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T11:35:30 -!- DanteA [~X@host-225-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-02T11:39:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T11:39:14 -!- bsdfox\ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T11:40:31 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-02T11:57:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-161-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T12:14:27 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-02T12:15:02 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@2.94.54.199] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T12:15:02 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@2.94.54.199] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-02T12:15:02 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T12:19:58 <+dekar> Tectu, well binaries running on an OS have the need to use some type of file format. It tells the OS which sections to load into memory prior to calling main(), as well as the shared libraries needed. Windows uses PE, OSX uses Mach-O and Linux mostly uses ELF. 2013-08-02T12:20:20 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-02T12:26:32 < zyp> for bin-directories it fully makes sense to have executables without suffix, since you most likely are going to type it out as a command and don't care whether that particular command is implemented by a binary or a script or something 2013-08-02T12:27:31 < Tectu> I agree 2013-08-02T12:28:29 < zyp> so that's why there is a common tradition to not have any .elf suffix on stuff that you compile 2013-08-02T12:30:25 -!- DanteA [~X@host-161-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-02T12:37:24 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@12.sub-75-233-246.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T12:38:11 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-02T12:42:34 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T12:47:52 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-02T12:48:44 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T13:02:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@reserved-87-252-252-118.telecom.by] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T13:29:31 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@dyndsl-031-150-168-088.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T13:33:36 -!- bsdfox\ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-02T13:37:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@reserved-87-252-252-118.telecom.by] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-02T13:37:30 -!- Intelaida_ [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T13:37:55 < dongs> fucking digikey 2013-08-02T13:39:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/xa827hN.jpg 2013-08-02T13:39:21 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-02T13:39:23 <+Steffanx> sue them, sue them1! 2013-08-02T13:40:39 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@12.sub-75-233-246.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-02T13:51:55 < Laurenceb> tweezers 2013-08-02T13:54:16 < talsit> dongs: hahaha 2013-08-02T13:56:10 < Laurenceb> easy to bend back 2013-08-02T14:08:17 <+Steffanx> That's no fun. 2013-08-02T14:08:35 <+Steffanx> Why bend them back when you can waste time on getting new ones from dk? 2013-08-02T14:12:08 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-02T14:15:13 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/noflo/noflo-development-environment?ref=category 2013-08-02T14:19:24 <+Steffanx> Flow based programming.. could work for those who like that 2013-08-02T14:19:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-02T14:19:52 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-02T14:23:30 < Laurenceb> argggg 2013-08-02T14:23:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T14:23:45 < Laurenceb> how the hell do a draw an arc with beizer lines 2013-08-02T14:26:08 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-02T14:26:26 -!- DanteA [~X@host-161-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T14:34:47 < Laurenceb> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/08/02/0139230/using-kickstarter-data-to-predict-ubuntu-edges-success 2013-08-02T14:34:48 < Laurenceb> heh 2013-08-02T14:36:06 < Laurenceb> http://www.openanalytics.eu/blog/using-kickstarter-data-predict-ubuntu-edges-success 2013-08-02T14:36:13 < Laurenceb> s/success/epic fail 2013-08-02T14:37:58 -!- DanteA [~X@host-161-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-02T14:42:35 < jpa-> Laurenceb: IIRC there is no way to make a perfect arc of a circle using bezier curves; but you can approximate to within 0.01% or so 2013-08-02T14:42:48 < Laurenceb> i see 2013-08-02T14:42:58 < Laurenceb> ive grabbed an eps off google now 2013-08-02T14:43:06 < Laurenceb> and copied off the curves :P 2013-08-02T14:48:30 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T14:51:51 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-02T14:53:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@reserved-87-252-252-118.telecom.by] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T14:53:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@reserved-87-252-252-118.telecom.by] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-02T14:58:51 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=vhgaiFN8A1k 2013-08-02T15:01:40 <+Steffanx> That's all? 2013-08-02T15:01:48 <+Steffanx> I expected something after the 'crash' but nothing happened :( 2013-08-02T15:11:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-02T15:15:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T15:15:31 < Laurenceb> lol carries on 2013-08-02T15:22:33 -!- mrcan__ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T15:25:25 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-02T15:32:24 < akaWolf> ) 2013-08-02T15:46:49 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-230-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T15:51:38 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T15:55:18 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T16:01:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-02T16:03:21 < akaWolf> а то что там у тебя беременность или нет твоих коллег не должно касаться ) 2013-08-02T16:04:20 <+Steffanx> Почему ты так говоришь? 2013-08-02T16:05:47 < dongs> wat 2013-08-02T16:05:53 < dongs> stop pasting question marks in here 2013-08-02T16:06:00 < dongs> ???????? ???????? ???????????????????????????? 2013-08-02T16:06:22 <+Steffanx> Go fix your encoding 2013-08-02T16:06:36 <+Steffanx> http://share.naffets.nl/a-20130802-150632.jpg :) 2013-08-02T16:07:07 <+Steffanx> which translates as "and what have you got pregnant or not your colleagues should not touch" :S 2013-08-02T16:10:10 < Laurenceb> how do i scale an eps graphic? 2013-08-02T16:10:12 < akaWolf> ога ) 2013-08-02T16:10:55 < akaWolf> Steffanx: do you know Russian or just use google translate? 2013-08-02T16:12:28 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@dyndsl-031-150-168-088.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-02T16:16:00 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-178-004-221-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-02T16:25:48 <+Steffanx> Google translate akaWolf :) 2013-08-02T16:30:31 < akaWolf> Steffanx: )) 2013-08-02T16:37:03 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T16:45:21 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T16:51:23 -!- DaKu [DaKu@dakus.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-02T16:53:41 -!- DaKu [DaKu@dakus.dk] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T17:05:14 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.96.224] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T17:05:17 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-02T17:16:48 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-02T17:18:32 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T17:23:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T17:32:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-02T17:39:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-02T18:04:17 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@153.56.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-02T18:08:33 < Laurenceb> http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2IWRKMMIH1Y6R/ref=cm_cr_auth/104-0238679-1953525?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview 2013-08-02T18:08:35 < Laurenceb> lolling 2013-08-02T18:12:07 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb read all pages from 2006-now so he started to read the web archives? 2013-08-02T18:12:16 <+Steffanx> *2007 2013-08-02T18:13:49 < BrainDamage> no, I think he simply started from 85 2013-08-02T18:13:54 < BrainDamage> and he just reached 2007 2013-08-02T18:14:02 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-02T18:14:30 <+Steffanx> but how he found us? 2013-08-02T18:15:16 < BrainDamage> while his search is progressive, he can always get reccomendations from others, hence "jumps" 2013-08-02T18:18:03 <+Steffanx> It seems you have studied his behaviour very well. Nice job 2013-08-02T18:19:48 < BrainDamage> you just have to learn to bullshit while keeping a bit credibility 2013-08-02T18:20:44 <+Steffanx> No need to. Really. 2013-08-02T18:36:12 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-02T18:36:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.197.79] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T18:48:02 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=kPRA0W1kECg old but good 2013-08-02T18:48:47 < zyp> nice sound effects 2013-08-02T19:01:42 < Laurenceb> heh 2013-08-02T19:01:55 < Laurenceb> i was playing around with this on F4 2013-08-02T19:02:05 < Laurenceb> running quicksort atm 2013-08-02T19:05:35 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T19:09:28 -!- DanteA [~X@host-126-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T19:09:46 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/02/heard_the_one_about/ 2013-08-02T19:12:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T19:17:54 < zyp> still better jokes than yours 2013-08-02T19:18:03 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@114.sub-75-233-190.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T19:18:20 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-230-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] 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for little jpa-s? :P 2013-08-02T23:31:55 < jpa-> not really 2013-08-02T23:32:02 < jpa-> running away from bad workplace 2013-08-02T23:32:39 < BrainDamage> Steffanx's is jelous in anticipation 2013-08-02T23:33:24 <+Steffanx> Uhm, can you reformulate BrainDamage? 2013-08-02T23:33:47 < jpa-> Steffanx wants babies 2013-08-02T23:33:52 < BrainDamage> ^ 2013-08-02T23:34:14 <+Steffanx> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jelous amen 2013-08-02T23:34:35 <+Steffanx> Anyway, you guys so 'connections' that aren't there. 2013-08-02T23:43:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T23:47:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-02T23:51:44 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-02T23:53:09 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] --- Day changed Sat Aug 03 2013 2013-08-03T00:01:13 -!- alexn 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assy, source, hexfile and listfile 2013-08-03T00:40:59 < emeb> actually, it's just a mislabeled tar file. 2013-08-03T00:49:42 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-03T00:51:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@trepidacious.plus.com] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-03T00:57:25 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@109.78.55.8] has quit [] 2013-08-03T01:49:15 < Thorn> http://img2.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC-811662.jpeg 2013-08-03T01:52:26 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.172] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T01:52:33 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T01:55:46 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-03T02:04:41 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@dyndsl-031-150-168-088.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T02:06:27 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2013-08-03T02:10:59 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 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http://farrellf.com/temp/pcb_macros/IMG_4383.JPG 2013-08-03T04:35:07 < dongs> ya, looks awesome 2013-08-03T04:36:32 < upgrdman> just got a 100mm macro lens. nothing better to shot atm 2013-08-03T04:59:11 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T05:17:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FFH9fbI.jpg works 2013-08-03T05:19:07 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-03T05:23:42 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T05:29:17 < emeb_mac> dongs: wut iz it? 2013-08-03T05:49:41 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.217.200] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T05:58:14 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03T06:26:29 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T06:27:14 < R2COM> hello dongles 2013-08-03T06:31:39 < dongs> dongles indeed 2013-08-03T06:31:41 < dongs> i just made one 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Posterdati> SPI_Mode_Master, 2013-08-03T13:40:31 < Posterdati> SPI_NSS_Soft, 2013-08-03T13:40:42 < Posterdati> this is my config 2013-08-03T13:40:48 < zyp> sdo? is that miso or mosi? 2013-08-03T13:40:57 < Posterdati> sdo connected to miso 2013-08-03T13:41:06 < Posterdati> sdi connected to mosi 2013-08-03T13:41:20 < zyp> this is sdo on the adxl? 2013-08-03T13:41:30 < Posterdati> sdo and sdi are adxl345 side 2013-08-03T13:41:46 < zyp> right, that sounds correct 2013-08-03T13:42:16 < Posterdati> SPI1 on GPIOA 2013-08-03T13:42:24 < zyp> anyway, if the adxl won't output data on sdo, it sounds like the problem is on the adxl side 2013-08-03T13:42:35 < zyp> so don't waste your time on the stm side 2013-08-03T13:42:40 < Posterdati> yes 2013-08-03T13:42:53 < Posterdati> stm32 outputs on mosi an on clock 2013-08-03T13:43:00 < Posterdati> and cs is working too 2013-08-03T13:44:54 < zyp> hmm, mode is selected by the DATA_FORMAT register 2013-08-03T13:44:58 < Posterdati> yes 2013-08-03T13:44:58 < zyp> defaults to 4-wire mode 2013-08-03T13:45:10 < zyp> so I assume you're not changing it? 2013-08-03T13:45:13 < Posterdati> it is zero at reset so 4-wire mode 2013-08-03T13:46:52 < Posterdati> could be an endianess problem 2013-08-03T13:47:24 < zyp> how? 2013-08-03T13:47:31 < Posterdati> I use 2013-08-03T13:48:05 < Posterdati> a union to access bits inside registers, then I pass a byte to the SPI_I2S_SendData 2013-08-03T13:48:37 < Posterdati> bits are in anonymous structure inside the union 2013-08-03T13:48:49 < Posterdati> but values seems correct 2013-08-03T13:50:21 < Posterdati> aha 2013-08-03T13:50:27 < Posterdati> gottcha 2013-08-03T13:50:36 < Posterdati> I did a structure wrong 2013-08-03T13:52:52 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T13:55:43 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-03T14:04:22 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T14:04:30 < Posterdati> zyp: no way 2013-08-03T14:19:13 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.216.182] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T14:28:01 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-184-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T14:32:10 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-03T14:33:25 < Thorn__> turns out Einstein plagiarized all his relativity http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0707/0707.2536.pdf 2013-08-03T14:34:53 <+Steffanx> whatever Thorn__. 2013-08-03T14:35:08 <+Steffanx> I just read the conclusion and i dont read that in there :P 2013-08-03T14:35:11 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2013-08-03T14:36:28 <+Steffanx> Too lazy to read everything 2013-08-03T14:37:01 < Thorn> it's not in the conclusion 2013-08-03T14:44:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T14:48:56 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T15:13:03 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.216.182] has quit [Ping 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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b037c5yn/Some_People_with_Jokes_Some_Boffins_with_Jokes/ 2013-08-03T16:23:23 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb_ .. go annoy yourself 2013-08-03T16:23:31 <+Steffanx> that is ONLY AVAILABLE IN THE UK 2013-08-03T16:23:37 < Laurenceb_> lol 2013-08-03T16:23:50 < Laurenceb_> my PhD supervisor is on there being lame 2013-08-03T16:24:22 <+Steffanx> You always retweet the things your sources say? 2013-08-03T16:24:47 <+Steffanx> Your thesis must be full with RT @xxxxx blablabla or #TrueFact 2013-08-03T16:25:51 <+Steffanx> You should troll your supervisor with that. Replace all references, quotes etc. with twitter style messages. 2013-08-03T16:26:05 <+Steffanx> Shouldnt be that hard to write something for latex for that 2013-08-03T16:27:09 < R2COM> fuck PhD's 2013-08-03T16:27:12 < R2COM> fucking scammers 2013-08-03T16:27:20 < R2COM> who never did technical challenging work 2013-08-03T16:27:27 < R2COM> just milking government for pays 2013-08-03T16:27:33 < R2COM> >99% 2013-08-03T16:36:27 < R2COM> put them to jail 2013-08-03T16:36:37 < R2COM> for sabotage of Industry complex 2013-08-03T16:38:08 < Laurenceb_> lolololol 2013-08-03T16:38:43 < Laurenceb_> lets put this in context 2013-08-03T16:38:52 < Laurenceb_> im on like UKP16K/year 2013-08-03T16:39:09 <+Steffanx> More than you need/should have 2013-08-03T16:39:16 < R2COM> not sure what that is 2013-08-03T16:39:28 <+Steffanx> 16K pound i guess 2013-08-03T16:39:41 <+Steffanx> UK pound 2013-08-03T16:39:45 < R2COM> ok 2013-08-03T16:39:52 < R2COM> so ~20$K 2013-08-03T16:39:56 <+Steffanx> MORE 2013-08-03T16:40:18 <+Steffanx> oh, i expected it to be much more 2013-08-03T16:40:20 <+Steffanx> but only 24k 2013-08-03T16:41:01 <+Steffanx> I didn't know the pound-euro currency is that low nowadays. 2013-08-03T16:41:13 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@dyndsl-031-150-184-143.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T16:41:13 < R2COM> 24k 2013-08-03T16:41:24 < R2COM> for doing some worthless probably PhD trash :P 2013-08-03T16:41:33 < R2COM> that is why I love WAR 2013-08-03T16:41:35 < R2COM> WAAAAR 2013-08-03T16:41:36 < R2COM> WAR 2013-08-03T16:41:37 < R2COM> WAAR 2013-08-03T16:41:40 < R2COM> you know why? 2013-08-03T16:41:49 <+Steffanx> Yes, for reading reddit. 2013-08-03T16:41:56 < R2COM> in war...its very clear which side did better technical progress 2013-08-03T16:42:17 <+Steffanx> And you yankees just steal everything. 2013-08-03T16:42:33 <+Steffanx> Care about nothing but defence crap. 2013-08-03T16:42:38 < R2COM> yankee? 2013-08-03T16:42:47 < R2COM> I am from USSR originally to be honest 2013-08-03T16:42:59 <+Steffanx> Awh, but you are in the US not? 2013-08-03T16:43:08 <+Steffanx> Official US citizen? 2013-08-03T16:43:16 < R2COM> looks like that I guess outside it looks like US ;) 2013-08-03T16:43:36 < R2COM> and defence is most important sure 2013-08-03T16:43:41 < R2COM> if theres not defence 2013-08-03T16:43:48 < R2COM> then some 4th Reich can wipe you out ;) 2013-08-03T16:44:03 <+Steffanx> if they want to it will happen anyway 2013-08-03T16:44:18 < R2COM> hmm no 2013-08-03T16:44:24 < zyp> http://open-nfc.org/documents/PRE_NFC_0804-250%20NFC%20Standards.pdf <- the nice part about standards is that there's so many to choose from 2013-08-03T16:44:26 < R2COM> "they" who they? 2013-08-03T16:44:55 < R2COM> "they" wont be able to attack a country who has TRIDENT-II or TOPOL-M.... if you know what I mean of course ;) 2013-08-03T16:45:17 <+Steffanx> Time will tell 2013-08-03T16:45:25 < R2COM> you threatening? 2013-08-03T16:46:09 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-03T16:46:20 <+Steffanx> lo 2013-08-03T16:46:40 < R2COM> hehe 2013-08-03T16:46:40 <+Steffanx> No, im not R2COM. I just mean we'll see how it goes when 'it' happens 2013-08-03T16:46:47 < R2COM> it wont happen 2013-08-03T16:46:54 < R2COM> its gone permanently already 2013-08-03T16:47:01 < R2COM> at least not from European countries 2013-08-03T16:47:07 < Posterdati> I configured SPI1 on stm32f107 to be master with soft NSS, I configured all GPIOA pin for SPI1 as GPIO_Mode_AF_PP, but I've got zero voltage on MISO... 2013-08-03T16:47:37 < zyp> Posterdati, set MISO to input 2013-08-03T16:47:57 < zyp> try if that makes a difference 2013-08-03T16:48:00 < R2COM> Steffanx: even if it will kinda happen it wont be that big of a deal ;) 2013-08-03T16:48:04 < Posterdati> I configured as GPIO_Mode_IN_FLOATING, but nothing 2013-08-03T16:48:10 <+Steffanx> Wel'll see R2COM 2013-08-03T16:48:16 < R2COM> well 2013-08-03T16:48:45 < R2COM> my grandpa kicked their ass ... 2013-08-03T16:48:52 < R2COM> 1941-1945 2013-08-03T16:49:00 < R2COM> +Winter war. 2013-08-03T16:49:15 < R2COM> even without high tech missiles ;) 2013-08-03T16:51:01 < Posterdati> zyp: I configured as GPIO_Mode_IN_FLOATING, but nothing 2013-08-03T16:51:54 < zyp> so if your master is correctly configured as input, and it still doesn't receive anything, the problem is that the other end is not outputting anything 2013-08-03T16:52:58 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T16:53:42 < R2COM> Posterdati: I would just spit out *one* command to your target chip, and trace SCK and SO on it after that command is given. to make sure. 2013-08-03T16:53:58 < R2COM> Posterdati: what is your memory device? 2013-08-03T16:54:10 < Posterdati> ? 2013-08-03T16:54:14 < R2COM> err 2013-08-03T16:54:21 < R2COM> what is your target/slave device? 2013-08-03T16:54:32 < R2COM> ah adxl... 2013-08-03T16:55:31 -!- dfletcher__ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T16:55:34 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03T16:55:35 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03T16:55:36 -!- stephendwyer [stephendwy@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03T16:55:36 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03T16:55:53 -!- stephendwyer [stephendwy@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T16:56:09 -!- rigid [~rigid@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T16:56:17 -!- rigid [~rigid@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-03T16:56:17 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T16:58:45 < R2COM> ok its time to take a rest 2013-08-03T16:59:00 < R2COM> because I'll have to work these weekend... 2013-08-03T16:59:23 < R2COM> since Steffanx already threatened...who knows, maybe he has some secret superweapon being developed in mind 2013-08-03T16:59:30 < R2COM> so one must work hard to possibly exceed it 2013-08-03T16:59:32 < R2COM> for future war 2013-08-03T17:10:32 < dongs> R2COM: lolwat 2013-08-03T17:11:09 < dongs> Posterdati: i remember adxl needs some bullshit SPI mode 2013-08-03T17:11:12 < dongs> non- usual one 2013-08-03T17:11:26 < Posterdati> ok 2013-08-03T17:12:08 < dongs> SPI_Init(SPI_FIRSTBIT_MSB, SPI_BAUDRATEPRESCALER_2, SPI_MODE_MASTER, SPI_CLOCKPOLARITY_HIGH, SPI_CLOCKPHASE_2EDGE, SPI_DATADIRECTION_2LINES_FULLDUPLEX, SPI_NSS_SOFT, 0x07); 2013-08-03T17:12:17 < dongs> (not for stm32, but set your shit up like that 2013-08-03T17:12:29 < dongs> clockpolarity+edge stuff 2013-08-03T17:12:57 < dongs> also uh.. 2013-08-03T17:13:04 < dongs> dumb quesiton but you're pulling NSS low before writing shit to it right? 2013-08-03T17:13:23 < Posterdati> css is software controlled 2013-08-03T17:13:27 < Posterdati> cs is software controlled 2013-08-03T17:13:31 < dongs> which "software"? 2013-08-03T17:13:38 < dongs> are you manually dicking the port? 2013-08-03T17:13:48 < dongs> because in master mode, "software nss" doesnt do shit 2013-08-03T17:13:55 < dongs> you have to manually toggle the gpio. 2013-08-03T17:14:00 < Posterdati> I pull it high before start spi operation, then I put it low and start SPI_I2S_Receive and Send 2013-08-03T17:14:08 < Posterdati> then I put it high again 2013-08-03T17:14:20 < dongs> ok. thats fine then. 2013-08-03T17:15:05 <+Steffanx> R2COM, im developing mind control. 2013-08-03T17:15:09 <+Steffanx> YURI style 2013-08-03T17:15:24 < Posterdati> SPI_BaudRatePrescaler_128,SPI_CPHA_2Edge, SPI_CPOL_High, 7, SPI_DataSize_8b,SPI_Direction_2Lines_FullDuplex,SPI_FirstBit_MSB,SPI_Mode_Master, SPI_NSS_Soft 2013-08-03T17:15:33 < Posterdati> dongs this is my config 2013-08-03T17:15:47 < dongs> looks same then 2013-08-03T17:15:49 < Posterdati> 7 = crc polynomial stuff 2013-08-03T17:21:27 < Posterdati> no way 2013-08-03T17:21:31 < Posterdati> it isn0t working 2013-08-03T17:24:48 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-03T17:25:27 < dongs> hmf 2013-08-03T17:34:56 <+Steffanx> Have all clocks you need running/enabled Posterdati? :) 2013-08-03T17:35:21 < Posterdati> yes, the SPI works, I see the clock comes out from it 2013-08-03T17:36:22 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/TI3x8a32.html 2013-08-03T17:37:06 < dongs> Posterdati: are you setting 'read' bit when you expect shit back from it? 2013-08-03T17:37:12 < Posterdati> ùyer 2013-08-03T17:37:13 < Posterdati> yes 2013-08-03T17:37:21 < dongs> bit7 of address should be high on reads 2013-08-03T17:37:29 < Posterdati> multibyte and 1=R, 0=W 2013-08-03T17:37:33 < dongs> Ok. 2013-08-03T17:37:46 < dongs> definitely dongs then. 2013-08-03T17:38:08 < Posterdati> I first send out data, the wait for RXNE then read 2013-08-03T17:38:42 < dongs> yea i dont htink the order of that wwill matter 2013-08-03T17:38:54 < dongs> reads ok too? 2013-08-03T17:38:57 < dongs> sending ff or wahtever then reading 2013-08-03T17:41:27 < Posterdati> in write the adxl won't return anything on SDO 2013-08-03T17:42:12 < Posterdati> in read, after the first 8 bits it starts to send out data as clock goes on, in fact I have to provide dummy data on MOSI 2013-08-03T17:42:32 < Posterdati> like 0x55 2013-08-03T17:42:43 < Posterdati> that I clearly see on the oscilloscope 2013-08-03T17:42:54 < Posterdati> but sdo stays dead 2013-08-03T17:45:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T17:46:43 < Posterdati> sdo is always 0 2013-08-03T17:48:20 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.223.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-03T17:50:00 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.219.132] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T17:51:24 < Posterdati> I tried to disconnect sdo from miso and run the program, but sdo stayed low 2013-08-03T17:52:56 < Gargantuasauce_> are you sure you have it configured to speak SPI and not i2c? 2013-08-03T17:54:32 < Posterdati> there's no such config 2013-08-03T17:54:49 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@dyndsl-031-150-184-143.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03T17:56:47 < Posterdati> the board is hardware configured for spi communication 2013-08-03T17:58:25 < Gargantuasauce_> that is all i was asking 2013-08-03T18:09:16 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T18:14:15 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T18:50:09 -!- HTT-Bird [~Birdz0r@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-03T18:56:07 -!- DanteA [~X@host-137-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T19:05:37 < Laurenceb_> http://www.oxidizing.110mb.com 2013-08-03T19:05:47 < Laurenceb_> attn anarchists ^ 2013-08-03T19:10:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-03T19:11:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T19:12:22 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T19:16:23 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.219.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-03T19:33:13 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T19:39:56 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.46.224] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T19:39:59 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-03T19:42:30 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.43.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-03T19:53:06 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.135] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T19:56:13 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-03T20:04:55 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@23.sub-75-233-71.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T20:05:31 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-03T20:10:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T20:11:37 < BJfreeman> this describes using CAN as a boot loader https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Attachments/18225/AN2606.pdf 2013-08-03T20:11:39 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.96.62] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T20:11:42 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-03T20:12:50 < BJfreeman> has anyone accomplished this as described in CD00264321.pdf. 2013-08-03T20:14:35 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.46.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-03T20:41:04 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@23.sub-75-233-71.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T20:41:44 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@23.sub-75-233-71.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-03T20:41:51 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-03T20:47:55 -!- dfletcher__ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-03T20:47:55 -!- dfletcher__ [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T20:47:57 -!- dfletcher__ is now known as dfletcher 2013-08-03T20:53:42 < zyp> hmm, I'm a bit annoyed that there's no soft detach on the F3 discovery 2013-08-03T20:55:17 < zyp> maybe I should cheat and drive D+ low 2013-08-03T20:55:29 < zyp> but I don't like the idea of that 2013-08-03T20:59:57 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T21:03:00 < Posterdati> zyp: fixed! 2013-08-03T21:03:12 < Posterdati> zyp: it was a problem in the spi mechanics... 2013-08-03T21:03:12 < zyp> what was the problem? 2013-08-03T21:04:00 < Posterdati> zyp: when I sent the header byte I did not read for the dummy answer, so the ADXL345 stopped working at the second SPI_I2S_SendData 2013-08-03T21:05:12 < Posterdati> in fact 2013-08-03T21:05:34 < Posterdati> sdo signal was active for the 8 bits only and then stayed everytime low 2013-08-03T21:06:18 < Posterdati> I saw only the first 8 bit from sdo ;) 2013-08-03T21:14:06 < Posterdati> anyway I have to use INT pin to synchronize data 2013-08-03T21:34:49 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T22:07:01 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-03T22:07:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T22:25:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03T22:26:07 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T23:26:10 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@23.sub-75-233-71.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-03T23:31:55 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:211a:18f9:1d6c:be6b] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-03T23:40:44 -!- DanteA [~X@host-137-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-03T23:44:46 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:211a:18f9:1d6c:be6b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03T23:47:42 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] --- Day changed Sun Aug 04 2013 2013-08-04T00:48:19 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T00:54:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-04T01:01:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.129.169] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T01:31:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T01:33:31 -!- claude_ [~quassel@HSI-KBW-078-043-191-012.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-04T01:36:47 < Laurenceb_> http://xkcdsucks.blogspot.co.uk/ 2013-08-04T01:37:40 < Laurenceb_> "One day, someone really sad and depressed, who has been thinking about suicide for months, will read a particularly bad xkcd and will kill himself. Not because of the comic per se, but it will confirm what he thinks about life: dull and boring and unfunny. It was just what he needed to let go. 2013-08-04T01:37:40 < Laurenceb_> " 2013-08-04T01:37:42 < Laurenceb_> lolling 2013-08-04T01:56:01 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-04T01:58:07 < Laurenceb_> " I think it's clear that he has a fixation with the female body that can't simply be explained by the fact he's a guy" 2013-08-04T01:58:09 < Laurenceb_> genius 2013-08-04T02:14:43 < zyp> http://www.expertcore.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1775 2013-08-04T02:14:55 < zyp> «I did use this in my initial research and it was most useful, but do you know if there are any resources that show how to make such a circuit on a breadboard?» 2013-08-04T02:15:15 < zyp> yeah, let's do NFC antenna impedance matching on a breadboard 2013-08-04T02:15:15 < Laurenceb_> http://xkcdsucks.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/comic-746-stuck-up.html?showComment=1275281529594#c2307652136868080725 2013-08-04T02:15:19 < Laurenceb_> epic lolling 2013-08-04T02:17:05 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-04T02:27:09 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-04T02:38:19 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T02:40:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.129.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-04T02:40:38 < emeb_mac> amazing how many folks are trying to do complex circuits with solderless breadboards. 2013-08-04T02:42:12 < emeb_mac> row-to-row parasitic capacitance is horrible on those - not a problem for audio stuff, but go much higher and fun stuff happens that n00bs aren't prepared to deal with. 2013-08-04T02:42:53 < zyp> exactly 2013-08-04T02:43:40 < zyp> this was about antenna matching for 13.56MHz :p 2013-08-04T02:46:11 < qyx_> lets build an arm core with 74xx on breadboards 2013-08-04T02:54:45 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-04T03:08:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-04T03:11:39 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-04T03:21:44 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.220.218] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T03:37:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T03:37:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-04T03:37:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T03:44:47 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-04T03:45:26 < Rickta59> i've been learning some cortex-m0 asm .. wondering if anyone knows the answer to this .. 2013-08-04T03:45:41 < Rickta59> the high registers seem to be pretty much unused with gcc 2013-08-04T03:46:05 < Rickta59> can i just use them like work registers? 2013-08-04T03:46:18 < Rickta59> r8-r11 mainly i'm wondering about 2013-08-04T03:46:33 < Rickta59> assuming i'm writing asm that is called by C 2013-08-04T03:48:08 < dongs> too bad hackrf is LPC4300 2013-08-04T03:48:13 < dongs> yet more reasons why it sucks 2013-08-04T03:48:38 < Rickta59> https://gist.github.com/RickKimball/6122630/raw/ce54b26642eb27cd73a8c0c1d4f95b17159c06bf/ws2812_utils.S 2013-08-04T03:48:59 < dongs> Rickta59: .... why the fucking christ not just use a timer? 2013-08-04T03:49:12 < dongs> and DMA 2013-08-04T03:49:12 < Rickta59> can a timer deal with ns times? 2013-08-04T03:49:15 < dongs> yes... 2013-08-04T03:49:17 < Rickta59> no dma on this chip 2013-08-04T03:49:22 < Rickta59> lpc810 2013-08-04T03:49:32 < dongs> lol, fuck LPC. 2013-08-04T03:49:51 < Rickta59> this runs at 12MHz also 2013-08-04T03:50:03 < dongs> impresive. 2013-08-04T03:50:10 < dongs> maybe ytou need the new atmel M0 parts. 2013-08-04T03:50:15 < dongs> they claim to have single cycle IO access 2013-08-04T03:50:25 < Rickta59> yeah that is the same with this one .. m0+ 2013-08-04T03:50:28 < dongs> the D20 shit. 2013-08-04T03:50:38 < dongs> ah, so its not atmel specific hax eh. 2013-08-04T03:50:49 < Rickta59> it is a cortex m0+ feature 2013-08-04T03:50:57 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T03:51:02 < Rickta59> i think the kinetic freescale stuff has it too 2013-08-04T03:54:08 < dongs> Rickta59: i think cortex puts varargs in regs until it runs out of them, then pushes the rest on stack 2013-08-04T03:54:41 < R2COM> l3gd 2013-08-04T03:54:42 < R2COM> and lsm303 2013-08-04T03:54:49 < R2COM> l3gd has some config in its register 2013-08-04T03:54:56 < R2COM> to indicate DATA READY on DRDY pin 2013-08-04T03:55:05 < R2COM> so you set it, and once data new is ready DRDY is HIGH 2013-08-04T03:55:09 < R2COM> now about lsm303 2013-08-04T03:55:26 < R2COM> it looks like it doesnt have such config, but it *does* provide DRDY once new data is ready 2013-08-04T03:55:29 < R2COM> for accelerometer 2013-08-04T03:55:38 < R2COM> hmm 2013-08-04T03:56:09 < dongs> accelermoemter should have one/two interrupt pins 2013-08-04T03:56:14 < dongs> taht can be routed to different events 2013-08-04T03:56:15 < R2COM> nah... 2013-08-04T03:56:21 < R2COM> those are for Inertial events 2013-08-04T03:56:24 < R2COM> I dont care about it now 2013-08-04T03:56:41 < dongs> right, but data/fifo ready isn't one of them? 2013-08-04T03:56:59 < R2COM> you mean INT1(2)_SRC_A ? 2013-08-04T03:57:06 < dongs> yeah. 2013-08-04T03:57:07 < R2COM> you can route it to different axes 2013-08-04T03:57:08 < R2COM> etc 2013-08-04T03:57:17 < R2COM> but I dont see it being routed to DATA READY event 2013-08-04T03:57:44 < R2COM> and from the datasheet, its kinda unclear then, is DRDY working for compass or accelrometer 2013-08-04T03:58:11 < R2COM> 3pin 9 "data ready" which fucking data is ready... 2013-08-04T03:58:20 < R2COM> ST has such a retarted docs on everything 2013-08-04T03:58:52 < R2COM> and interrupts, are inertial interrupts 2013-08-04T03:59:04 < R2COM> what you said...routing to needed event, was clear in case of L3GD 2013-08-04T03:59:07 < R2COM> there I did that... 2013-08-04T03:59:15 < R2COM> basically asked to routed Data Ready event to DRDY pin 2013-08-04T03:59:20 < R2COM> cant see similar shit on LSM303 2013-08-04T04:00:01 < dongs> just measure the frequency of drdy on scope and see if it matches with the ODR you set for accel/mag 2013-08-04T04:00:12 < dongs> it could very well be shraed if it samples both at same time 2013-08-04T04:00:23 < R2COM> im doing it now 2013-08-04T04:00:40 < R2COM> what Im saying is, st docs are piece of shit 2013-08-04T04:02:05 < dongs> sure 2013-08-04T04:05:35 < R2COM> also 2013-08-04T04:05:44 < R2COM> if one wants to use internal high pass filter 2013-08-04T04:05:52 < R2COM> HPCF2-HPCF1 2013-08-04T04:05:58 < R2COM> their bit values correspond to which cutoff? 2013-08-04T04:06:01 < R2COM> cant see either 2013-08-04T04:07:00 < R2COM> anyhow... I was going to bypsass it and use my filter anyway 2013-08-04T04:07:17 < R2COM> but its just it also shows how douchebag their datasheet is, and a faggot who was writing it. 2013-08-04T04:08:11 < dongs> speaking of douchebags 2013-08-04T04:08:21 < dongs> fucking faggots who post kikecad design files 2013-08-04T04:08:29 < dongs> and dont evne bother outputting gerbers or even pdf schematics 2013-08-04T04:08:39 < dongs> who the fuck would want to install that trash just to look at their fail schematic 2013-08-04T04:09:31 < R2COM> they assume that kicad is used by every pro irc EE 2013-08-04T04:17:23 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-04T04:17:51 < zippe> dongs: you apparently, since otherwise you wouldn't be raging 2013-08-04T04:17:55 < jef79m> talking about hackrf? 2013-08-04T04:18:47 < zippe> R2COM: in theory you can get mag and accel DRDY on the LSM303, but the docs make my eyes bleed 2013-08-04T04:19:48 < zippe> R2COM: Look at CTRL4 2013-08-04T04:21:45 < R2COM> what about ctrl4 2013-08-04T04:21:51 < emeb_mac> sup trolls 2013-08-04T04:22:11 < R2COM> CTRL_REG4_A has nothing about it 2013-08-04T04:22:46 < R2COM> it has big/little nediannes, HR mode, scale selection etc... 2013-08-04T04:28:18 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Quit: Life is too short] 2013-08-04T04:30:55 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T04:38:54 < R2COM> oh 2013-08-04T04:38:55 < R2COM> also 2013-08-04T04:39:10 < R2COM> looks like I have to do RoR by 4 on a value read from STATUS register right 2013-08-04T04:39:11 < R2COM> >? 2013-08-04T04:43:37 < R2COM> hmm 2013-08-04T04:52:18 < R2COM> eerrr no 2013-08-04T04:59:52 < dongs> its a conTROLL4 register 2013-08-04T05:02:25 < dongs> oops 2013-08-04T05:02:31 < dongs> no wonder my 1.8V reg heats up more than I expected 2013-08-04T05:02:39 < dongs> I routed it from 5V0 instead of 3V3 as I thought 2013-08-04T05:05:00 < zippe> R2COM: In the LSM303D? CTRL4 is the INT2 source register 2013-08-04T05:05:43 < zippe> page 33 of the spec, table 44 2013-08-04T05:09:06 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T05:51:59 < R2COM> there sno fucking table 44 dude 2013-08-04T05:52:02 < R2COM> on page 33 2013-08-04T05:53:02 < R2COM> you looking in some fucking wrong doc 2013-08-04T05:55:50 < zippe> I am looking at the LSM303D spec, ST document 023312, revision 1 2013-08-04T05:56:27 < zippe> Looking to see if there's a newer version 2013-08-04T05:56:43 < R2COM> 1 sec 2013-08-04T05:57:31 < zippe> Link from http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM89/SC1449/PF253884 still goes to the same place 2013-08-04T05:57:58 < R2COM> i had LSM303DLHC 2013-08-04T05:58:02 < R2COM> ok got this one now 2013-08-04T05:58:06 < R2COM> but page 33 doesnt have table 44 2013-08-04T05:58:47 < R2COM> pff no 2013-08-04T05:58:49 < R2COM> wrong 2013-08-04T05:58:53 < R2COM> I dont have that chip dude 2013-08-04T05:58:56 < R2COM> I have LGA14 one 2013-08-04T05:59:08 < R2COM> so you just confused me with your shit 2013-08-04T05:59:23 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T06:00:00 < R2COM> LSM303DLHC 2013-08-04T06:00:09 < R2COM> Doc ID 018771 Rev 1 2013-08-04T06:00:10 < R2COM> thats it 2013-08-04T06:00:34 < R2COM> and 2013-08-04T06:00:43 < R2COM> whta I noticed now, is that DRDY is just stays high kinda 2013-08-04T06:00:47 < zippe> Ah, you're using the "wrong" device 2013-08-04T06:00:54 < R2COM> why wrong... 2013-08-04T06:00:59 < R2COM> I am not using wrong device 2013-08-04T06:01:07 < R2COM> anyhow 2013-08-04T06:01:11 < R2COM> I can read status reg 2013-08-04T06:01:23 < R2COM> and there I can see that lower bits go to 0 right after reading all ACC values 2013-08-04T06:01:25 < R2COM> which is right 2013-08-04T06:01:30 < R2COM> and IM doing it all in a loop 2013-08-04T06:01:38 < R2COM> but...with scope I observe no activity on DRDY pin 2013-08-04T06:03:54 < zippe> You're using the I2C-only version. 2013-08-04T06:04:01 < R2COM> yes 2013-08-04T06:04:12 < zippe> That's the "wrong" one 2013-08-04T06:05:17 < R2COM> why is it fucking wrong? 2013-08-04T06:05:41 < zippe> Because I2C blows 2013-08-04T06:05:47 < R2COM> i never had issues with it 2013-08-04T06:05:58 < R2COM> your ways of talking to device blows probably. 2013-08-04T06:06:01 < zippe> So? 2013-08-04T06:06:35 < R2COM> the whole world is using i2c for different slow shit, what are you trying to prove here? 2013-08-04T06:06:38 < zippe> The fact that you've had no issues with I2C says more about how little you've tried to do with it than anything 2013-08-04T06:07:03 < zippe> The "whole world" suffers from I2C being a sack of shit that vendors are too lazy to do anything about 2013-08-04T06:07:29 < dongs> haha 2013-08-04T06:07:29 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-04T06:07:32 < zippe> And I say this as someone that's worked on I2C in a variety of devices that have cumulatively shipped hundreds of millions of units. 2013-08-04T06:07:33 < dongs> truf 2013-08-04T06:07:51 < R2COM> well, if you or your team did shitty job, thats your problem 2013-08-04T06:08:02 < R2COM> dont say then that everyone sucks at it 2013-08-04T06:08:17 < zippe> *lol* 2013-08-04T06:08:27 < R2COM> nothing funny actually 2013-08-04T06:08:37 < zippe> You, actually. 2013-08-04T06:08:38 < R2COM> i worked with variety of i2c stuff on 400KHz had no issues 2013-08-04T06:08:41 < dongs> R2COM: don't even try arguing with zippe. he's pro 2013-08-04T06:08:58 < dongs> he's not your typical irc EE 2013-08-04T06:09:03 < zippe> R2COM: if all you want to do is blink an LED, go for it 2013-08-04T06:09:13 < R2COM> which LED blinking? 2013-08-04T06:09:20 < R2COM> wtf you even talkinga bout? 2013-08-04T06:09:22 < zippe> R2COM: All I'm saying is, experience tells me I2C -> bad. 2013-08-04T06:09:29 < R2COM> i just read/write bytes with i2c thats it 2013-08-04T06:09:36 < dongs> blinkm(2) 2013-08-04T06:09:52 < zippe> Regardless; I'm not using the device you're using, and looking at the register map it seems to be weird enough that I don't have any immediate suggestions, sorry 2013-08-04T06:10:36 < R2COM> then it would be more appropriate for you to not even start talking at this topic 2013-08-04T06:11:14 < R2COM> your "experienced" ghost stories dont tell much. 2013-08-04T06:11:25 < dongs> R2COM: now it might be time to shut the fuck up, seriously. 2013-08-04T06:11:50 < R2COM> troll should shut up 2013-08-04T06:12:22 < Gargantuasauce_> i'm reporting you guys to twitter for abuse 2013-08-04T06:12:47 < dongs> overtwittering? 2013-08-04T06:13:00 < R2COM> i didnt even have issues now with i2c, it was different thing, I have no idea wtf he even brought that "i2c bad" thing on this channel. 2013-08-04T06:13:05 < dongs> R2COM: i troll but I know when to shut up 2013-08-04T06:13:27 < R2COM> dongs: you said you never do, I remember xD 2013-08-04T06:15:32 < emeb_mac> http://www.openanalytics.eu/blog/using-kickstarter-data-predict-ubuntu-edges-success 2013-08-04T06:15:44 < dongs> emeb_mac: old 2013-08-04T06:15:48 < dongs> will fail well short of 18mil 2013-08-04T06:16:12 < dongs> 8 mil, haha 2013-08-04T06:16:15 < dongs> r a p e d 2013-08-04T06:17:12 < dongs> Will the Ubuntu Edge be sustainable and/or hardware hackable? 2013-08-04T06:17:12 < dongs> While we will do our best to keep the hardware as open as possible, these are not the main focus of the project in its first generation. Hardware that’s capable of convergence is the priority. 2013-08-04T06:17:24 < dongs> Have you chosen a CPU/GPU? 2013-08-04T06:17:24 < dongs> We have not chosen a supplier or an architecture yet -- whether x86 or ARM. The decision will be taken before production to ensure the fastest available components, and will be driven by benchmarking. 2013-08-04T06:27:35 < R2COM> and silence? 2013-08-04T06:27:38 < R2COM> more chatz plz 2013-08-04T06:27:48 < R2COM> what else is "bad" 2013-08-04T06:29:13 < Gargantuasauce_> open source software!! 2013-08-04T06:33:04 < emeb_mac> ya - old 2013-08-04T06:33:25 < gxti> still blogging about that eh 2013-08-04T06:33:38 < emeb_mac> why not? 2013-08-04T06:36:54 < gxti> stats wankery is boring 2013-08-04T06:37:34 < emeb_mac> lies, damned lies and stats 2013-08-04T06:38:04 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-04T06:38:08 < emeb_mac> alternatively, nate silver. 2013-08-04T06:38:14 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T06:39:06 < gxti> considerably more interesting than stats wanking about a failed fundraising project 2013-08-04T06:39:39 < gxti> but enough about that. what's new? 2013-08-04T06:41:57 < emeb_mac> not a lot 2013-08-04T06:42:17 < emeb_mac> waiting for a client to ship me some prototype hardware for a new F303 project 2013-08-04T06:48:51 < R2COM> and 2013-08-04T06:49:19 < R2COM> in lsm303, if therez flag Z,Y *and* X data available, shouldnt all of them individualle be set to 1 then? 2013-08-04T06:49:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/c65gxQ1.jpg 2013-08-04T06:49:20 < R2COM> strange 2013-08-04T06:49:31 < R2COM> ahh 2013-08-04T06:49:34 < R2COM> hmm ok 2013-08-04T06:58:12 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T07:00:10 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-04T07:01:55 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-04T08:15:56 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-151-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T08:18:47 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-04T08:25:43 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.220.218] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-04T08:30:09 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T08:34:10 < dongs> 4 layer board in the oven lets see how it turns out 2013-08-04T08:34:26 < dongs> 1st try at stm32 w/native usb and 1.5K on GPIO for random disconnection 2013-08-04T08:36:45 < emeb_mac> didn't want to screw with the pfet? :) 2013-08-04T08:37:22 < dongs> no, beacuse F103 2013-08-04T08:37:49 < emeb_mac> right - no USB bootloader to deal with 2013-08-04T08:43:26 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T08:44:13 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.229.236] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T08:44:16 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-04T08:47:26 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.96.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-04T08:54:57 < dongs> voltages check out OK. 2013-08-04T08:55:01 < dongs> 110mA draw 2013-08-04T08:55:32 < emeb_mac> what else is on the board? 2013-08-04T08:55:56 < dongs> stm32, cpld, serdes, tuner, adc 2013-08-04T08:56:18 < dongs> should be ok wiht everything idle/unconfigured 2013-08-04T08:57:59 < emeb_mac> sounds fun 2013-08-04T08:58:07 < emeb_mac> this some digital tv stuff? 2013-08-04T08:58:40 < dongs> ya as usual 2013-08-04T08:59:56 < emeb_mac> lol - just saw an ad for NAB on TV. 2013-08-04T09:00:05 < emeb_mac> why would NAB be advertising? 2013-08-04T09:00:40 < dongs> it costs $ to attend/exhibit 2013-08-04T09:00:43 < dongs> so why wouldnt they 2013-08-04T09:01:15 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-151-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-04T09:01:41 < dongs> I was at jap equiv of nab (interbee) couple times as exhibitor. and some local tv-related shit too 2013-08-04T09:02:00 < emeb_mac> seems like sending ads out to general audiences is not very well targeted. 2013-08-04T09:02:27 < dongs> well, besies that yeah 2013-08-04T09:03:27 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-04T09:03:28 < emeb_mac> I used to work at a company that did broadcast equip - we'd send marketers and some engineers to NAB in Las Vegas. 2013-08-04T09:03:32 < emeb_mac> never went myself tho 2013-08-04T09:04:46 < dongs> its pretty boring usually. with internets, shit's available faster than going to a show 2013-08-04T09:04:53 < dongs> so by the time you're there, all teh shit demonstrated is already obsolete 2013-08-04T09:05:07 < emeb_mac> heh 2013-08-04T09:07:29 < emeb_mac> on this board is the f103 transporting data from the rf <-> usb, or just controlling? 2013-08-04T09:08:32 < dongs> and stm32 works 2013-08-04T09:08:55 < dongs> USB will just do serial console and shit like constellation data and crap 2013-08-04T09:09:16 < emeb_mac> yup 2013-08-04T09:09:41 < emeb_mac> good for that - we used to use 8051 for that 2013-08-04T09:15:48 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T09:18:24 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T09:18:26 < Robint91> hi all 2013-08-04T09:18:38 < Robint91> sombody worked here with he backup registers 2013-08-04T09:18:40 < Robint91> of a F1 2013-08-04T09:18:48 < dongs> ive used them. 2013-08-04T09:19:09 < Robint91> I see something strange 2013-08-04T09:19:52 < Robint91> I write them, power off( but Vbat remains), power on, they have the wrong wrong value, power cycle, they have now the correct value 2013-08-04T09:21:34 < Robint91> any idea? 2013-08-04T09:21:47 < dongs> yeah i remember talsit saying something similar 2013-08-04T09:21:51 < dongs> and he was doing something wrong 2013-08-04T09:22:14 < dongs> how are you reading? 2013-08-04T09:22:23 < dongs> just BKP_BASE + offset? 2013-08-04T09:22:26 < dongs> is it powered? 2013-08-04T09:22:26 < Robint91> ST lib functions 2013-08-04T09:22:35 < dongs> i.e. RCC_APB1PeriphClockCmd(RCC_APB1Periph_PWR | RCC_APB1Periph_BKP, ENABLE); 2013-08-04T09:22:51 < Robint91> yeah 2013-08-04T09:23:11 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/OszRFg43.html 2013-08-04T09:23:20 < dongs> power on write , don't need to power on read 2013-08-04T09:23:32 < dongs> oh, i think that was it 2013-08-04T09:23:35 < dongs> if you power them up then read 2013-08-04T09:23:40 < dongs> values are fucked 2013-08-04T09:24:32 < Robint91> that can explain stuff 2013-08-04T09:24:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-04T09:25:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T09:29:47 < dongs> hm 2013-08-04T09:30:04 < dongs> I guess for USB shit I will need to switch between Input_floating and out_pp w/high 2013-08-04T09:31:17 < emeb_mac> for the pullup GPIO? 2013-08-04T09:31:21 < dongs> ya 2013-08-04T09:31:26 < emeb_mac> makes sense. 2013-08-04T09:31:34 < emeb_mac> you don't want to pull down. 2013-08-04T09:31:40 < dongs> right, thats where I was at 2013-08-04T09:31:48 < emeb_mac> that means something else to the host IIRC 2013-08-04T09:32:03 < dongs> lowspeed I think. 2013-08-04T09:32:08 < emeb_mac> right 2013-08-04T09:32:31 < dongs> hm no 2013-08-04T09:32:46 < dongs> there's something pulldown but I dont remember what. 2013-08-04T09:32:59 < emeb_mac> maybe lowspeed is pulling up the other line 2013-08-04T09:33:51 < emeb_mac> anyway - pfet ckt essentially does 1 or Z, so that's what GPIO should do too. 2013-08-04T09:34:08 < Robint91> mhh doesn't seem to work 2013-08-04T09:34:19 < dongs> Robint91: works4me 2013-08-04T09:34:30 < Robint91> still mangeled values after first powercycle, correct after second 2013-08-04T09:34:48 < dongs> (in that code, its used to survive a value across reset 2013-08-04T09:35:02 < dongs> talsit: ^ beep BKP problem 2013-08-04T09:35:20 < dongs> he had same shit and he was doing something dumb but I cant remember waht it was 2013-08-04T09:36:58 < Robint91> dongs, do you know a time frame? when he was doing that 2013-08-04T09:37:07 < Robint91> zlog 2013-08-04T09:37:08 < dongs> like a week ago or so 2013-08-04T09:37:11 < dongs> no zlog here lately 2013-08-04T09:40:15 < dongs> emeb_mac: you are right about keil linker 2013-08-04T09:40:25 < dongs> fucking shit in debug mode links crap even if its unneeded 2013-08-04T09:40:31 < dongs> and uses that to calculate "object" size 2013-08-04T09:40:40 < emeb_mac> derp 2013-08-04T09:40:53 < dongs> i just #if 0'd a bunch of crap from old revision of board thats not there anymore 2013-08-04T09:41:00 < dongs> and it still was trying to fucking link to it 2013-08-04T09:41:03 < dongs> even though NOTHING calls it 2013-08-04T09:41:09 < dongs> #if 0'd teh calls as well 2013-08-04T09:41:10 < emeb_mac> lame 2013-08-04T09:41:12 < dongs> ya 2013-08-04T09:41:17 < Robint91> why is LSI so inaccurate 2013-08-04T09:41:26 < dongs> lol 2013-08-04T09:41:29 < dongs> cuz its internal 2013-08-04T09:41:32 < Robint91> 30 to 60khz, 40khz nominal 2013-08-04T09:41:47 < dongs> you want acurate time, stick a xtal outside 2013-08-04T09:41:50 < emeb_mac> use it as temp/voltage sensor 2013-08-04T09:43:25 < jef79m> barthess solved my issue, i was missing: PWR->CSR |= PWR_CSR_BRE; 2013-08-04T09:45:30 < Robint91> jef79m, mhh I don't have that bit 2013-08-04T09:45:39 < Robint91> I'm working with a stm32f100c8 2013-08-04T09:45:58 < jef79m> that looked like teh only relevant line in my logs. 2013-08-04T09:53:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-04T09:54:08 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.255.138] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T09:54:09 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar__] by ChanServ 2013-08-04T09:55:02 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-04T09:55:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T09:56:30 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-04T09:57:07 < upgrdman> damn. i think i damaged an f0. i'm using tim1 for 4 channel pwm output. ch1 and ch2 are fine, but ch3 and ch4 "work" but only output about 1.5V. vdd is verified to be 3v. i removed the h-bridge from my pcb, in case the transistors were damaged, but that didnt help. 2013-08-04T09:57:28 < upgrdman> any other reason for a gpio to be only half vdd? 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2013-08-04T14:50:12 < dongs> Tectu: nothing much, added 3 lines of code and 2 functions and I have usb cdc-acm serial port working 2013-08-04T14:51:53 < Tectu> dongs, that's nice. What are you currently building? 2013-08-04T14:52:08 < dongs> getting rid of usb>serial converter in one of my designs 2013-08-04T14:52:11 < dongs> tv stuff. 2013-08-04T14:53:58 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-223-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-04T15:01:36 < Laurenceb_> Why are pcbs cheaper from china? 2013-08-04T15:01:41 < Laurenceb_> ^ i lolled 2013-08-04T15:07:03 < dongs> because they're shit 2013-08-04T15:16:26 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-21-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T15:23:57 < qyx_> we will see 2013-08-04T15:24:25 < qyx_> seeed has finally sent my boards 3 days ago 2013-08-04T15:26:25 < Robint91> mhh 2013-08-04T15:26:40 < Robint91> is there a brownout reset by default active on a STM32 2013-08-04T15:47:45 -!- zetaz [~arno@115.91.139.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T16:01:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.216.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-04T16:04:29 -!- zetaz [~arno@115.91.139.88.rev.sfr.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-04T16:05:01 -!- zetaz [~arno@115.91.139.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T16:05:45 -!- zetaz [~arno@115.91.139.88.rev.sfr.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-04T16:13:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T16:15:06 -!- zetaz [~arno@115.91.139.88.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T16:16:21 -!- zetaz [~arno@115.91.139.88.rev.sfr.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-04T16:18:20 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: and like that, he's gone] 2013-08-04T16:22:40 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-21-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-04T16:23:35 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T16:53:00 -!- DanteA [~X@host-226-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T16:53:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.218.149] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T17:09:33 -!- mrcan__ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-04T17:09:45 -!- DanteA [~X@host-226-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-04T17:19:26 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-04T17:24:03 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.218.149] has quit [Quit: brb] 2013-08-04T17:25:47 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.218.149] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T17:26:40 -!- DanteA [~X@host-162-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T17:32:31 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T17:47:33 < dongs> sup pros 2013-08-04T18:02:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-04T18:08:37 -!- DanteA [~X@host-162-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-04T18:08:52 < Robint91> does the RTC stay saved if you use LSI? 2013-08-04T18:10:27 < zyp> isn't that sort of the purpose of LSI? 2013-08-04T18:11:13 < zyp> it's not as accurate as LSE, so you might not want to use it for timekeeping, but should still be fine for stuff like rtc wakeup 2013-08-04T18:12:35 < Robint91> zyp, I'm going to calibratie it 2013-08-04T18:12:51 < Robint91> zyp, it is only going to be use as a crude "run time counter" 2013-08-04T18:13:12 < Robint91> not calender stuff 2013-08-04T18:21:13 < dongs> if you wanna crude runtime counter just stick somethin in systick? 2013-08-04T18:21:27 < dongs> since you probably have systick going anyway. 2013-08-04T18:21:36 < Robint91> dongs, cuz I go into standby 2013-08-04T18:22:12 < dongs> o rite 2013-08-04T18:22:25 < Robint91> I have a total idle current of 20uA now 2013-08-04T18:22:36 < Robint91> stm32f100 + l3gd20 + lsm303dlhc 2013-08-04T18:22:46 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T18:53:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T19:27:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JZQTJ5r.jpg the shit with serial console 2013-08-04T19:28:55 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/cAEXWQ62.html this is how easy it is to do usbcdc shit w/keil usb lib 2013-08-04T19:33:29 < zyp> what about descriptors? 2013-08-04T19:33:54 < dongs> zyp: there's a wizard thingy in usbd_config.c 2013-08-04T19:33:57 < dongs> you justchcek stuff 2013-08-04T19:34:01 < dongs> write device name and shit 2013-08-04T19:34:02 < dongs> and click save 2013-08-04T19:34:05 < dongs> pretty spiffy. 2013-08-04T19:34:43 < zyp> and usb pin config? 2013-08-04T19:34:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/sAW23p3.png 2013-08-04T19:34:52 < dongs> this kinda shit 2013-08-04T19:35:01 < dongs> which config? you mean hardware? 2013-08-04T19:35:14 < dongs> they have drivers for a bunch of cortex mcus 2013-08-04T19:35:14 < zyp> setting AF and shit 2013-08-04T19:35:19 < dongs> yeah thats their code 2013-08-04T19:35:21 < dongs> i dont touch it 2013-08-04T19:35:27 < Laurenceb_> i shit over irc 2013-08-04T19:35:31 < zyp> and on F4 you have two usb cores 2013-08-04T19:35:32 < dongs> i just include usbd_STM32F103.c 2013-08-04T19:35:38 < dongs> yep, they have that shit 2013-08-04T19:35:41 < dongs> usbd and usbh 2013-08-04T19:35:42 < dongs> and stuff. 2013-08-04T19:35:44 < zyp> with possibility for external phy and shit 2013-08-04T19:35:46 < dongs> in the F4 driver. 2013-08-04T19:35:47 < dongs> yeah. 2013-08-04T19:36:09 < dongs> Laurenceb_: http://www.amazon.co.uk/health-beauty/dp/B006833Z1Y 2013-08-04T19:36:15 < zyp> Laurenceb_, we've noticed. 2013-08-04T19:36:44 < dongs> zyp, supposedly I can even do composite device with that wizard. 2013-08-04T19:36:51 < dongs> at leats I saw sample of that being done 2013-08-04T19:36:59 < dongs> im gonna problyy do HID + CDC after I finish testing this stuff 2013-08-04T19:37:05 < dongs> so I can send some totally irrelevant data over hid 2013-08-04T19:37:13 < dongs> or maybe just do some special mode for serial 2013-08-04T19:37:24 < dongs> console vs spit out some raw data 2013-08-04T20:10:21 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.163] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T20:11:06 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-04T21:01:42 < emeb> dongs: does that receiver convert to ASI or something? 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2013-08-05T02:11:22 < zyp> RXNE is acting up 2013-08-05T02:11:50 < zyp> and for some reason I get spurious writes 2013-08-05T02:12:34 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/f57ez.png <- take a look at this 2013-08-05T02:12:55 < zyp> that should be three equal writes 2013-08-05T02:13:45 < zyp> instead I get one that's fine, one two-byte write with enable deasserted too early and one normal write with enable deasserted too early 2013-08-05T02:13:58 < zyp> I'm waiting for RXNE after every write 2013-08-05T02:14:17 < emeb> I think I saw something similar... 2013-08-05T02:14:29 < emeb> the trick was to use one of the other status bits - NBUSY? 2013-08-05T02:14:49 < emeb> been a while, don't remember exactly... 2013-08-05T02:14:55 < zyp> and if I inspect SR afterwards it claims I still have two bytes in the FIFO 2013-08-05T02:15:42 < emeb> looking up old code... 2013-08-05T02:19:04 < zyp> ah, yeah, waiting for BSY=0 did the trick 2013-08-05T02:19:23 < emeb> cool 2013-08-05T02:19:30 < emeb> that was a strange one. 2013-08-05T02:19:37 < emeb> I think jpa saw it too 2013-08-05T02:19:42 < zyp> it's probably some race condition somewhere that trips up some hardware state machine 2013-08-05T02:20:37 < emeb> I had a problem where the /CS line was popping high before the transmit was done, so waiting for BSY helped that too. 2013-08-05T02:21:12 < zyp> might be related to the fact I'm changing CPHA after the first byte 2013-08-05T02:21:31 < emeb> ah - non-standard behavior. 2013-08-05T02:21:50 < zyp> yep, this weird chip wants CPHA=0 for written bytes and 1 for read bytes 2013-08-05T02:21:51 < emeb> and tweaking CPHA while it's still busy might confuse it. 2013-08-05T02:22:06 < emeb> that's pretty screwed up 2013-08-05T02:22:24 < zyp> TRF7960A, in case you were wondering 2013-08-05T02:23:24 < zyp> TI NFC chipset 2013-08-05T02:23:28 < emeb> indeed 2013-08-05T02:23:38 < emeb> sounds fun - what you talking to? 2013-08-05T02:24:06 < zyp> cards? a bit of different stuff 2013-08-05T02:24:49 < emeb> portable NRF highjacker. :) 2013-08-05T02:25:37 < zyp> http://open-nfc.org/documents/PRE_NFC_0804-250%20NFC%20Standards.pdf <- there is a whole lot of different standards 2013-08-05T02:26:06 < emeb> typical of early stages of tech. Everyone has their own ideas about how to do it. 2013-08-05T02:26:28 < zyp> but I think I'm starting to figure out how stuff goes together and what matters today 2013-08-05T02:28:01 < zyp> of all the cards/tags I have available, I've found five different of those orange boxes 2013-08-05T02:28:41 < zyp> or so 2013-08-05T02:28:55 < emeb> wow - lots of different ways to skin that cat 2013-08-05T02:29:03 < zyp> yeah 2013-08-05T02:29:25 < zyp> so far I've seen nothing of the type B-stuff 2013-08-05T02:29:26 < emeb> looks like only 4 PHY layers tho 2013-08-05T02:29:56 < zyp> yep 2013-08-05T02:30:45 < zyp> my tokyo metro card is the only type C card I have, but that protocol is still relevant as it's the base for p2p communication 2013-08-05T02:31:14 < zyp> I have one type V card, and also some blank tags that came with the reader board 2013-08-05T02:31:26 < zyp> the rest is all type A 2013-08-05T02:32:08 < emeb> wonder why TI made such a strange SPI protocol. They should know better, but it's a huge company. 2013-08-05T02:32:09 < zyp> and of the type A stuff I've seen three different kinds 2013-08-05T02:32:46 < emeb> probably gave that part of the circuit to a newb engineer. :P 2013-08-05T02:32:54 < zyp> the common blank tags are mostly mifare ultralight or mifare classic 2013-08-05T02:33:41 < zyp> while access cards and stuff like that are either mifare desfire or mifare classic 2013-08-05T02:34:09 < zyp> also have some paper metro tickets (one time use) that are mifare ultralight 2013-08-05T02:35:16 < zyp> so in practice I probably don't have to care about too many command sets 2013-08-05T02:36:19 < dongs> sup dongs 2013-08-05T02:36:48 < qyx_> i only saw legic or hitag2 cards for access control here 2013-08-05T02:36:49 < emeb> zyp: you saying that they're putting NFC chips into paper metro tickets? 2013-08-05T02:36:57 < qyx_> both nda'ded 2013-08-05T02:37:13 < zyp> emeb, in oslo they do 2013-08-05T02:37:16 < dongs> huh 2013-08-05T02:37:20 < emeb> bizarre! 2013-08-05T02:37:20 < dongs> zyp, still dicking wiht spi? 2013-08-05T02:37:31 < dongs> what mcu?.. i havent had any problems.. on F1/F3/F4 2013-08-05T02:37:34 < zyp> F3 2013-08-05T02:37:37 < emeb> wonder how much that costs per ticket 2013-08-05T02:37:55 < dongs> just regular polled stuff? 2013-08-05T02:37:57 < dongs> or DMA 2013-08-05T02:38:02 < zyp> polled 2013-08-05T02:38:07 < zyp> anyway, figured it out 2013-08-05T02:38:11 < dongs> o 2013-08-05T02:38:13 < qyx_> they are quite cheap on ebay, around 30p 2013-08-05T02:38:16 < qyx_> for one sticker 2013-08-05T02:38:20 < dongs> ya polled worked fine form e 2013-08-05T02:38:33 < zyp> emeb, not much 2013-08-05T02:40:14 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MF0ICU1001W%2FS7DL,0/MF0ICU1001W%2FS7DL,0-ND/3430915 2013-08-05T02:40:37 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-05T02:44:33 < emeb> Oh lookie - price break if you buy 1.8M of them. :P 2013-08-05T02:44:41 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T02:45:31 < zyp> of course, when you put them into paper tickets that are used once then thrown away, you go through a lot :p 2013-08-05T02:45:39 < emeb> ya 2013-08-05T02:46:00 < emeb> are they programmable or just a fixed ID number? 2013-08-05T02:46:22 < emeb> looks like OTP 2013-08-05T02:46:43 < emeb> so presumably the dispenser zaps them when you buy the ticket 2013-08-05T02:47:06 < zyp> unsure 2013-08-05T02:47:21 < zyp> according to the reader app I have on my phone, not all sectors are locked 2013-08-05T02:47:42 < zyp> I tried formatting once as NDEF once, but I couldn't do that 2013-08-05T02:48:11 < emeb> I could see a secondary market in these things as RFIDs - "the street finds its own use for things" 2013-08-05T02:52:06 < zyp> blank unlocked tags are so cheap there is not much point in recycling semi-locked commercial tags 2013-08-05T02:56:17 < emeb> seems so: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Set-of-5-NFC-Label-Smart-Tag-for-Android-Read-Write-Apps-Mifare-IC-S50-1k-RFID-/370865156135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5659493027 2013-08-05T02:56:50 < zyp> heh 2013-08-05T02:57:09 < zyp> that's some huge text telling me it won't work on my phone :p 2013-08-05T02:57:17 < zyp> which is true 2013-08-05T02:57:29 < zyp> I can read the ID of mifare classic tags, but not memory content 2013-08-05T02:58:06 < zyp> I assume it's because the chipset is missing the «Crypto 1» stuff 2013-08-05T03:01:53 < zyp> ok, looks like the SPI stuff is not fully solved 2013-08-05T03:02:37 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/oXIKG.png <- how do you interpret this? :p 2013-08-05T03:03:14 < dongs> «Logic sux» 2013-08-05T03:03:39 < dongs> zyp: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/AcrLir53.html this shit works for me, tested with all those 4 devices 2013-08-05T03:05:25 < zyp> «works» doesn't mean «doesn't behave weird» 2013-08-05T03:05:39 < dongs> works = devices work and respond 2013-08-05T03:05:44 < dongs> I think thats sufficient. 2013-08-05T03:05:50 < dongs> I did scope the bus on that board 2013-08-05T03:05:53 < dongs> when initially testing 2013-08-05T03:05:57 < dongs> and it looked fine 2013-08-05T03:06:07 < zyp> sure sure 2013-08-05T03:07:39 < zyp> anyway, your code is not different from my code in any meaningful way 2013-08-05T03:08:03 < dongs> right 2013-08-05T03:08:12 < dongs> its kinda hard to fuck that stuff up. 2013-08-05T03:08:24 < dongs> i think that code is just copypaste from spi sample, to. 2013-08-05T03:08:58 < zyp> also, my code has been working fine with other stuff, it's just F3 that seems to fuck up 2013-08-05T03:09:14 < zyp> because of this silly FIFO shit 2013-08-05T03:10:12 < zyp> I don't get the point of this packing mode 2013-08-05T03:10:53 < zyp> if I wanted to transfer two bytes at a time, I would set it to do 16bit transfers 2013-08-05T03:13:10 < dongs> OH 2013-08-05T03:13:11 < dongs> fifo 2013-08-05T03:13:25 < zyp> yes, I believe it's new in F3 2013-08-05T03:13:26 < dongs> now i remember that was why I was scoping the bus 2013-08-05T03:13:29 < dongs> because fifo was fucking shit up 2013-08-05T03:13:33 < zyp> exactly 2013-08-05T03:13:49 < dongs> SPI_RxFIFOThresholdConfig(SPI2, SPI_RxFIFOThreshold_QF); 2013-08-05T03:13:56 < dongs> this was something needed to setup, i think 2013-08-05T03:14:25 < zyp> yes, that would be the FRXTH bit in CR2, figuring out I had to set that was the first thing I did 2013-08-05T03:21:52 < dongs> duno that was all i had to do 2013-08-05T03:26:04 < zyp> hmm, seems to be some weird corner case here 2013-08-05T03:29:13 < zyp> dongs, do you have some f3 available and time to test if you can reproduce something? 2013-08-05T03:29:43 < dongs> doenst your code require gcc? :) 2013-08-05T03:29:51 < zyp> not my code 2013-08-05T03:30:42 < zyp> I believe this is a hardware bug 2013-08-05T03:31:45 < zyp> so anyway, what I see is that if I first set CPHA=1, then set CPHA=0, then write a byte to DR, I get 12 clocks instead of 8 2013-08-05T03:31:59 < dongs> hm 2013-08-05T03:35:18 < zyp> ok, according to RM what I'm doing is wrong 2013-08-05T03:35:27 < dongs> why are you changing cpha.. 2013-08-05T03:35:29 < zyp> «Prior to changing the CPOL/CPHA bits the SPI must be disabled by resetting the SPE bit.» 2013-08-05T03:35:41 < dongs> do you have 2 d ifferent devices? 2013-08-05T03:35:46 < dongs> that need different spi accesS? 2013-08-05T03:35:51 < dongs> mode 2013-08-05T03:36:01 < zyp> no, this silly TI chip requires CPHA=0 for writes and CPHA=1 for reads 2013-08-05T03:36:07 < dongs> ha 2013-08-05T03:36:11 < dongs> what a shitheap 2013-08-05T03:36:40 < zyp> from datasheet: «When using the hardware SPI (for example, an MSP430 hardware SPI) to implement this feature, care must be taken to switch the SCLK polarity after write phase for proper read operation.» 2013-08-05T03:37:31 < zyp> «when using hardware spi» seems to imply that people would bitbang it 2013-08-05T03:37:38 < dongs> haha 2013-08-05T03:37:43 < dongs> well, avrfaggots probably would 2013-08-05T04:03:59 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-05T04:22:36 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T04:31:23 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.218.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-05T04:44:47 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.222.61] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T04:58:21 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.222.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-05T05:09:36 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.222.61] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T05:24:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T05:25:17 < dongs> annd asi out works though that was to be expected 2013-08-05T05:27:42 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@248.sub-75-233-197.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-05T05:38:25 < johntramp> what are the J2 and J3 jumpers on the back of the stm32f4 discovery board? 2013-08-05T05:38:38 < johntramp> JP2, JP3 ** 2013-08-05T05:39:35 < johntramp> are they just ground pins? 2013-08-05T06:05:38 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-05T06:36:39 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-05T06:36:47 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T07:01:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.222.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-05T07:02:00 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.221.49] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T07:36:15 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-05T07:52:52 < zippe> I keep looking for either a debug monitor or a serial GDB stub for the STM32/v7m … and nobody seems to have written one 2013-08-05T07:52:56 < zippe> This is really annoying 2013-08-05T08:03:05 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.232] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T08:06:13 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-05T08:19:20 < dongs> like a stm32 gdb server? 2013-08-05T08:20:00 < dongs> i wrote one for BREW in like 2000 2013-08-05T08:20:20 < dongs> before I saw the light of closed sores debugging 2013-08-05T08:20:26 < zippe> Yeah, I've written them before, I'd just like to waste my time on something more useful 2013-08-05T08:20:45 < dongs> like a proper debug probe? :) 2013-08-05T08:25:20 < zippe> Like debugging that doesn't need a probe 2013-08-05T08:28:25 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, i saw some crazy problem with SPI related to changing the baud rate.. i had to work around it by doing a dummy transfer 2013-08-05T08:30:23 < dongs> shh dont tell zippe that SPI sucsk 2013-08-05T08:30:43 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T08:39:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-05T08:44:10 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-208-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T08:47:25 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.252.15] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T08:47:28 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-05T08:50:23 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.255.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-05T09:01:19 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-208-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-05T09:13:50 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-132-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T09:15:35 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T09:24:30 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2013-08-05T09:24:57 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T09:39:06 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-05T09:39:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T09:47:05 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-132-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-05T09:50:33 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.221.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-05T09:57:37 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.243.41] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T09:57:39 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar__] by ChanServ 2013-08-05T09:59:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-05T10:01:25 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.252.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-05T10:10:45 < Lt_Lemming> http://imgur.com/a/juqK3 <--- Das Uber Desk 2013-08-05T10:14:46 < jpa-> lol basement dweller 2013-08-05T10:15:01 -!- karlp [~karl@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-05T10:15:06 < Lt_Lemming> not a basement 2013-08-05T10:15:17 < Lt_Lemming> basements are actually pretty darned rare here 2013-08-05T10:18:03 -!- karlp [~karl@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T10:18:43 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-132-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T10:21:17 < jpa-> [x] bare walls [x] unfinished roof [x] exposed plumbing [x] trash laying around [?] underground looks enough of a basement to me 2013-08-05T10:22:37 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-05T10:23:23 < Lt_Lemming> semi-underground :-P 2013-08-05T10:23:35 < Lt_Lemming> and plumbing? there's no plumbing in here 2013-08-05T10:23:42 < Lt_Lemming> oh... lol 2013-08-05T10:23:46 < Lt_Lemming> the pipe cannon :-P 2013-08-05T10:25:42 < jpa-> ah :) 2013-08-05T10:26:08 < jpa-> well exposed wiring atleast! 2013-08-05T10:28:37 < Lt_Lemming> yeah, but what hackerpad is complete without that :-P 2013-08-05T10:32:27 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T10:40:01 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-132-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-05T10:40:16 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-132-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T10:45:18 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 2013-08-05T10:46:05 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T10:52:02 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T10:52:21 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-132-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-05T10:57:25 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 2013-08-05T11:00:59 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T11:14:36 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T11:15:43 -!- DanteA [~X@host-244-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T12:01:39 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T12:07:04 < Robint91> I wonder now that ST-Ericsson is split 2013-08-05T12:07:24 < Robint91> we are going to see more higher performance ARM cpus from ST 2013-08-05T12:07:44 < zyp> thinking about the nova stuff? 2013-08-05T12:08:03 < Robint91> zyp, yeah, that fs-soi stuff 2013-08-05T12:08:18 < zyp> fd-soi 2013-08-05T12:08:34 < Robint91> yeah that 2013-08-05T12:09:26 < zyp> how do you think it would be different, coming from ST rather than STE? 2013-08-05T12:09:50 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T12:10:48 < Robint91> zyp, STE doesn't exist anymore, and ST is going to take over the SoC stuff 2013-08-05T12:11:12 < Robint91> zyp, they took over the 1000 peeps working on that 2013-08-05T12:12:34 < zyp> sure 2013-08-05T12:12:45 < zyp> I just asked what you think would change 2013-08-05T12:13:09 < Robint91> zyp, I thint they are going to do what freescale does 2013-08-05T12:13:20 < Robint91> more open CPU's 2013-08-05T12:13:25 < Robint91> like the iMX 2013-08-05T12:13:36 < Robint91> I hope that 2013-08-05T12:14:06 < Robint91> I love to see a competitor against freescale 2013-08-05T12:14:20 < zyp> that would be great 2013-08-05T12:14:28 < zyp> but sounds a bit optimistic :p 2013-08-05T12:15:28 < Robint91> there isn't really competitision against freescale imx stuff 2013-08-05T12:15:36 < Robint91> you got sitaras from TI 2013-08-05T12:15:43 < Robint91> and some slow atmel parts 2013-08-05T12:15:48 < Robint91> but there it stops 2013-08-05T12:18:39 -!- DanteA [~X@host-244-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-05T12:20:43 < zyp> obtw, I did some contract work for STE two weeks ago, so "doesn't exist anymore" sounds a bit hasty :p 2013-08-05T12:21:00 < Robint91> zyp, oh nice, what did you do? 2013-08-05T12:21:43 < Robint91> zyp, It was maybe blunt but aren't they in the stated of rescission 2013-08-05T12:22:51 < zyp> support stuff, I used to be a consultant at the norway site until easter this year, and they needed some help in korea from someone that knew the stuff that was developed in norway 2013-08-05T12:23:01 < zyp> so that's why I were there a couple of weeks ago 2013-08-05T12:23:14 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T12:23:23 < Robint91> zyp, nice 2013-08-05T12:24:06 < zyp> norway site didn't have anything to do with application SoCs though, so I don't know anything about them 2013-08-05T12:24:24 < Robint91> isn't normay site only RF stuff 2013-08-05T12:24:30 < Robint91> 3G LTE, .... 2013-08-05T12:24:38 < zyp> yeah, it was originally an ericsson site 2013-08-05T12:24:59 < zyp> so if it weren't shut down, it would probably have been transferred back to ericsson 2013-08-05T12:30:38 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-05T12:46:52 <+Steffanx> is that basement even isolated Lt_Lemming ? 2013-08-05T12:47:00 < Lt_Lemming> ...? 2013-08-05T12:47:51 <+Steffanx> The outer walls, look not isolated 2013-08-05T12:48:02 < Lt_Lemming> not sure what you mean by isolated 2013-08-05T12:48:58 <+Steffanx> As in .. stuff to keep the 'cold' out side in the winter and the 'hot' inside :P 2013-08-05T12:49:03 < Lt_Lemming> ah right 2013-08-05T12:49:09 < Lt_Lemming> insulated :-P 2013-08-05T12:49:16 < Lt_Lemming> no, it's not 2013-08-05T12:49:18 <+Steffanx> arh 2013-08-05T12:49:20 <+Steffanx> english 2013-08-05T12:49:32 < Lt_Lemming> but this is Brisbane, it doesn't get that cold here 2013-08-05T12:49:36 <+Steffanx> In dutch we use the same word for both :P 2013-08-05T12:49:41 < Lt_Lemming> and the bricks keep the heat out fairly well 2013-08-05T12:50:01 < Lt_Lemming> the coldest it got this winter was about 5°c 2013-08-05T12:50:16 <+Steffanx> oh, you're from aussieland. I wouldn't have asked when i knew that. 2013-08-05T12:50:21 < Lt_Lemming> rofl 2013-08-05T12:50:37 < Lt_Lemming> there are parts of aussie land that get pretty cold, but they are a lot futher south 2013-08-05T12:50:58 < Lt_Lemming> I used to live in Hobart, Australia's southern most capital city 2013-08-05T12:51:10 < Lt_Lemming> not uncommon to see snow there 2013-08-05T12:53:24 <+Steffanx> Sorry, i can't reply anymore. I feel too stupid about the isolation/insulation thing. :P 2013-08-05T12:53:39 < Lt_Lemming> rofl 2013-08-05T12:53:41 < Lt_Lemming> all good 2013-08-05T12:54:05 < Lt_Lemming> I should have called it "Das Ubershreibtisch" 2013-08-05T12:55:03 <+Steffanx> And post the photos in 4chan? 2013-08-05T12:55:18 < Lt_Lemming> lol 2013-08-05T12:55:43 < Claude> Der Uberschreibtisch ;) 2013-08-05T12:56:11 < Lt_Lemming> bite me :-P 2013-08-05T12:56:20 < Lt_Lemming> ich bin der zuhaltervater :-P 2013-08-05T12:56:24 <+Steffanx> Claude no Ü ? 2013-08-05T12:56:26 < Claude> lol 2013-08-05T12:56:42 < Claude> Ue is fine 2013-08-05T12:57:01 < Lt_Lemming> and I have figured out how to do an umlaut before, can't remember atm though 2013-08-05T12:57:24 < Claude> thats easy just press the Ü Ä Ö keys :) 2013-08-05T12:57:27 <+Steffanx> Enable 'deadkeys' and write "U :P 2013-08-05T12:57:48 < Lt_Lemming> Claude, none of those on my awesome keyboard :-P 2013-08-05T12:58:03 < Claude> ahhh it can't be that awesome then 2013-08-05T12:58:19 < Lt_Lemming> it can, it's 8mm thick and solar powered and cordless :-P 2013-08-05T12:58:53 < Claude> okay it is awesome 2013-08-05T12:58:56 <+Steffanx> Solar powered in a 'nerd' basement? 2013-08-05T12:59:14 < Lt_Lemming> those windows behind my desk get full sunlight from sunrise to about 11am 2013-08-05T12:59:29 < Lt_Lemming> and the light in the room is enough to keep it charged anyway 2013-08-05T12:59:34 <+Steffanx> You need curtains. 2013-08-05T12:59:39 < Claude> yep! 2013-08-05T12:59:53 < Lt_Lemming> I has a blanket over the window behind my computer 2013-08-05T12:59:57 < Lt_Lemming> otherwise I like the light 2013-08-05T13:00:02 < Lt_Lemming> it's great for my workbench 2013-08-05T13:00:18 < Claude> Lt_Lemming, -1 nerd point 2013-08-05T13:00:50 <+Steffanx> I don't like 'the light' as you use fluorescent stuff. And there is nothing more terrible than that. 2013-08-05T13:01:12 < Lt_Lemming> Steffanx, I am working towards equipping the entire room with LED light bars 2013-08-05T13:01:22 < Lt_Lemming> gonna cost me about $150 to do though 2013-08-05T13:01:42 <+Steffanx> Nothing beats the sun, or the good old light bulbs. 2013-08-05T13:02:18 < Lt_Lemming> nah I actually quite like LED lighting, if you buy good stuff it's nice and even and you can do a much more even lighting pattern 2013-08-05T13:07:47 < zyp> Steffanx, to be fair, the difference between isolation and insulation is a bit arbitrary 2013-08-05T13:08:07 < zyp> (we also call both "isolasjon" here in norway) 2013-08-05T13:09:35 < Lt_Lemming> to me isolation is things like optical or inductive isolation 2013-08-05T13:09:53 < Lt_Lemming> where you are allowing a signal to travel, but not an electrical connection 2013-08-05T13:10:53 < zyp> and with building insulation, you are not allowing heat to travel 2013-08-05T13:10:54 < Lt_Lemming> you can also have isolation valves, but not an insulation valve 2013-08-05T13:12:04 < Lt_Lemming> insulation tends to block everthing apart from non-ionizing radiation though :-P 2013-08-05T13:12:11 < Lt_Lemming> sound, heat, light etc etc :-P 2013-08-05T13:16:28 < zyp> heh 2013-08-05T13:16:58 < zyp> building insulation is mainly there for heat and sound 2013-08-05T13:17:22 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-05T13:29:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T13:37:21 < Laurenceb_> helolo 2013-08-05T13:41:14 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-05T13:45:11 -!- stephendwyer [stephendwy@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-05T13:45:30 -!- stephen_d [stephendwy@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T13:46:25 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T13:46:33 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@2.94.54.199] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T13:46:33 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@2.94.54.199] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-05T13:46:33 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T13:48:05 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T13:50:31 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-05T13:50:47 -!- gcds [~gcds@193.219.74.134] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T13:57:13 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-200-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T13:57:31 -!- gcds [~gcds@193.219.74.134] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2013-08-05T14:02:25 < dongs> http://blog.garrytan.com/goldman-sachs-sent-a-brilliant-computer-scientist-to-jail-over-8mb-of-open-source-code-uploaded-to-an-svn-repo 2013-08-05T14:02:29 < dongs> thats what happens when you open the sores. 2013-08-05T14:02:38 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-200-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-05T14:03:20 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T14:06:22 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-05T14:10:13 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2013-08-05T14:13:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-05T14:19:42 < Robint91> dongs, no that is because the use of SVN 2013-08-05T14:20:02 < dongs> well, he's ESL so obvciously he wouldnt use something idiotic like "git" 2013-08-05T14:20:21 < Robint91> dongs, CVS is better 2013-08-05T14:27:34 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-05T14:30:23 <+Steffanx> dongs i heard that is your style too. Take open source, use it, modify it and don't release the changes :P 2013-08-05T14:31:03 < dongs> Awesomium is a Web UI Bridge for Native Applications. Leverage HTML/JS/CSS to build your application’s front-end. 2013-08-05T14:33:38 < Robint91> dongs, did he upload that? 2013-08-05T14:34:17 <+Steffanx> did you read the article Robint91? 2013-08-05T14:34:32 < Robint91> Steffanx, tl;dr? 2013-08-05T14:34:37 < Robint91> it didn't load 2013-08-05T14:34:39 <+Steffanx> Not really. 2013-08-05T14:35:06 < dongs> Robint91: no thats some commercial shit im laughing at 2013-08-05T14:35:15 < dongs> they do have a freetard license 2013-08-05T14:35:38 < Robint91> dongs, I did thing of using awesomium for something 2013-08-05T14:35:43 < Robint91> but is is sucky 2013-08-05T14:35:53 <+Steffanx> or you are sucky at using it? 2013-08-05T14:36:07 <+Steffanx> oops 2013-08-05T14:37:09 < Robint91> Steffanx, could be, it didn't fit in my way of writing stuff 2013-08-05T14:41:02 <+Steffanx> ok :) 2013-08-05T14:41:34 < dongs> does it run an actual browser rendering trash 2013-08-05T14:41:41 < dongs> seems like giant bloatware 2013-08-05T14:46:32 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-05T14:54:44 < jpa-> i saw a dream that arduino was placed on the planet by benevolent aliens in order to improve our knowledge 2013-08-05T14:55:12 < jpa-> good thing that in the dream, doctor who found out and eliminated the threat (not sure what was the threat, but surely there was one..) 2013-08-05T14:56:33 <+Steffanx> Nightmares! 2013-08-05T14:57:00 < jpa-> yes, i have a bit of fever 2013-08-05T14:57:01 <+Steffanx> Sure it was a dream, and not a vision jpa-? 2013-08-05T14:57:36 <+Steffanx> Perhaps the medication you use opened your mind for it? 2013-08-05T14:58:24 < jpa-> could be.. i'm quite a prophet after breathing 1 ml eycaluptus oil 2013-08-05T14:58:59 < zyp> 8MB of source sounds like a lot, really 2013-08-05T14:59:44 < zyp> at least 100k lines, if they adhere to the max 80 characters per line rule :p 2013-08-05T14:59:59 <+Steffanx> Yes, that's what i thought as well. 2013-08-05T15:00:51 < jpa-> well, it was supposed to be some open source project.. so maybe tomcat or mapreduce or something? 2013-08-05T15:01:19 <+Steffanx> And another thing that came to mind... Why computer scientists that end up in the news somehow ( or just in trouble ) are always 'brilliant' ? 2013-08-05T15:01:52 < jpa-> Steffanx: because most people are brilliant! 2013-08-05T15:02:02 <+Steffanx> Aah. 2013-08-05T15:02:09 <+Steffanx> jpa- you're brilliant! 2013-08-05T15:02:25 <+Steffanx> *jpba- 2013-08-05T15:02:43 -!- Steffanx is now known as SteffanB 2013-08-05T15:04:09 -!- SteffanB is now known as SteffanBx 2013-08-05T15:05:38 <+SteffanBx> you weren't refering to me uh jpa-? That's why you said 'most' :) 2013-08-05T15:08:11 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-244-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T15:09:20 < jpa-> SteffanBx: sure i was; i was only excluding the few persons who you consider stupid, of course 2013-08-05T15:09:57 <+SteffanBx> Some people can be stupid and brilliant at the same time mr jpba- 2013-08-05T15:11:01 < jpa-> with your nick like that, it almost seems you are related to trollenceB 2013-08-05T15:12:08 <+SteffanBx> Help 2013-08-05T15:12:17 -!- SteffanBx is now known as Steffanx 2013-08-05T15:12:54 <+Steffanx> Time for coffee. Want some? 2013-08-05T15:13:06 < jpa-> nah, throat too sore 2013-08-05T15:14:03 <+Steffanx> It's a good hot beverage 2013-08-05T15:16:28 -!- gcds [~gcds@193.219.74.134] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T15:16:41 < gcds> Hello 2013-08-05T15:17:19 < gcds> maybe someone knows how to make from bunch of *.c to make library which could be included via headers and makefile to compile? 2013-08-05T15:20:07 < jpa-> basically two ways; either you build a libfoobar.a and include it on the link stage, or you just make some mylib.mk include file that lists the files that the library user should include in his build 2013-08-05T15:21:39 < gcds> :) I am looking how to make that lib.a 2013-08-05T15:21:53 < dongs> using freetard compiler? 2013-08-05T15:21:59 < jpa-> with the 'ar' utility program 2013-08-05T15:22:06 < dongs> gcc -c *.c; ar a crap.a *.o or someshit like that. 2013-08-05T15:22:09 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/Baselibc/blob/master/Makefile 2013-08-05T15:23:32 <+Steffanx> Just curious. Where is the j in your name from jpa-? 2013-08-05T15:23:57 < jpa-> Just curious. Where is the x in your name from Steffanx? 2013-08-05T15:23:57 < karlp> javaloving 2013-08-05T15:24:32 <+Steffanx> The x is a pseudo-random character, as "Steffan" was taken. 2013-08-05T15:24:53 < jpa-> no no, it stands for your mythical surname you don't want to remember 2013-08-05T15:25:03 <+Steffanx> No that one starts with a W 2013-08-05T15:25:09 < jpa-> indeed 2013-08-05T15:25:19 < jpa-> but i bet the W is followed by an X 2013-08-05T15:25:27 <+Steffanx> No, not really. 2013-08-05T15:25:42 <+Steffanx> more a malformed x 2013-08-05T15:25:44 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-244-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-05T15:25:56 < jpa-> Wk.. that is a crazy start for a surname 2013-08-05T15:26:07 <+Steffanx> no, even more malformed. 2013-08-05T15:26:29 <+Steffanx> A vowel.. 2013-08-05T15:26:32 < jpa-> Wanker? 2013-08-05T15:26:57 < jpa-> or Wy.. 2013-08-05T15:27:29 <+Steffanx> more a a, e, i, o or u 2013-08-05T15:27:50 < jpa-> why aren't you steffanw? 2013-08-05T15:27:51 <+Steffanx> Google knows. 2013-08-05T15:28:33 < Gargantuasauce> w-buddies! 2013-08-05T15:28:51 <+Steffanx> I don't remember why i didn't do that 5 years, 32 weeks, 0 days ago jpa- 2013-08-05T15:29:40 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-05T15:29:41 <+Steffanx> but do you remember why you selected jpa- ? 2013-08-05T15:29:55 < jpa-> yes, i lacked inspiration 2013-08-05T15:30:09 <+Steffanx> and what is the j mean? 2013-08-05T15:30:16 <+Steffanx> jan? Jannes? Jean? 2013-08-05T15:30:25 < jpa-> those are not very finnish names 2013-08-05T15:30:26 <+Steffanx> Jiinnniin? 2013-08-05T15:30:43 < jpa-> i bet google knows this one also 2013-08-05T15:31:38 <+Steffanx> You can find my name as well :( 2013-08-05T15:32:41 <+Steffanx> My finish is so bad i won't recognize it as a name.. 2013-08-05T15:33:00 <+Steffanx> +n 2013-08-05T15:36:13 <+Steffanx> I won't tell. As i understand it's a secret :) 2013-08-05T15:37:00 < zyp> heh 2013-08-05T15:39:30 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T15:47:05 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-196-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T15:47:39 <+Steffanx> You're famous in the 'academic' world jpa- 2013-08-05T15:47:56 <+Steffanx> All your fancy wikipedia images end up is someone's thesis 2013-08-05T15:48:59 < jpa-> i've noticed :) 2013-08-05T15:51:47 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-196-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-05T15:55:08 < Laurenceb> images? 2013-08-05T15:55:38 < jpa-> boxy looking things that appear on e.g. webpages 2013-08-05T15:56:49 <+Steffanx> pacman included! 2013-08-05T15:57:14 < jpa-> i think that image was in someone's exam 2013-08-05T15:57:56 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacman 2013-08-05T15:58:10 <+Steffanx> No, not that one 2013-08-05T15:58:24 <+Steffanx> Something about video iirc 2013-08-05T16:00:00 <+Steffanx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:I_P_and_B_frames.svg that one Laurenceb 2013-08-05T16:00:23 < Laurenceb> ah 2013-08-05T16:00:43 <+Steffanx> jpa- is a pro-inkscaper 2013-08-05T16:00:58 < jpa-> not really 2013-08-05T16:01:30 < jpa-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HEPA_Filter_diagram_en.svg something like this might count as pro inkscaping 2013-08-05T16:01:54 <+Steffanx> Too chaotic 2013-08-05T16:02:26 <+Steffanx> A pro would've use some 3d design too to draw that. 2013-08-05T16:02:30 <+Steffanx> *used 2013-08-05T16:02:34 <+Steffanx> *tool 2013-08-05T16:02:49 <+Steffanx> man.. [read before you press enter Steffanx ] 2013-08-05T16:03:11 < jpa-> i wonder if there is any good 3d tool that can export to a scalable web-compatible format like svg 2013-08-05T16:03:19 < jpa-> (vrml doesn't quite cut it) 2013-08-05T16:03:54 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-30-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T16:04:01 < jpa-> maybe some have pdf export, which could be further converted 2013-08-05T16:04:07 * jpa- activates for more 2013-08-05T16:04:14 <+Steffanx> Can't those tools export to SVG? 2013-08-05T16:04:51 < jpa-> i don't know 2013-08-05T16:05:13 <+Steffanx> oh, for blender there is a script.. 2013-08-05T16:05:36 <+Steffanx> but that's blender. You get all kinds of user provided features for free. 2013-08-05T16:06:00 < jpa-> does it actually export something that looks good enough? 2013-08-05T16:06:06 < zyp> and probably all kinds of bugs too 2013-08-05T16:06:11 < gcds> maybe someone could look what's wrong with my makefile? I have added that objects would put to Output directory but it throws: *** No rule to make target `Output/Retarget.o' http://pastebin.com/4y2egGQb 2013-08-05T16:06:26 <+Steffanx> i dont know much about blender but: http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?282824-SVG-output-script 2013-08-05T16:07:20 < jpa-> gcds: line 28 should be Sources/%.s 2013-08-05T16:07:23 < jpa-> *%.c 2013-08-05T16:08:38 < gcds> jpa-: but for deeper subdirs it doenst work :( 2013-08-05T16:08:40 < jpa-> gcds: otherwise you can use that funny VPATH thingy for building in a separate dir.. but i'm not 100% sure how that works 2013-08-05T16:09:06 < jpa-> my makefile builds the .o's in the src dir so that is why it gets away with %.c 2013-08-05T16:29:27 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T16:33:53 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-05T16:35:12 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-30-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-05T16:45:45 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T17:02:18 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T17:05:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-05T17:05:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-05T17:22:24 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T17:33:03 < Laurenceb> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge 2013-08-05T17:33:06 < Laurenceb> lolling 2013-08-05T17:33:38 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T17:48:53 < Gargantuasauce> it really boggles my mind that they're expecting people to pay $800 before they even announce the fucking choice of architecture 2013-08-05T17:49:32 <+Steffanx> And the nice comparison.. compare two 'older' devices with something that doesn't even exist yet 2013-08-05T17:49:46 <+Steffanx> and isn't even going to exist in 2013. 2013-08-05T17:51:30 < zyp> to be fair, it's rather pointless to announce an architecture today for something that'll come out next year 2013-08-05T17:52:29 <+Steffanx> Yeah. Kind of my point :) 2013-08-05T17:53:10 < zyp> picking whatever is top of the line today will still be outdated next year 2013-08-05T17:53:26 <+Steffanx> And they don't even do that .. "720 x 1,280" :S 2013-08-05T17:54:35 < Gargantuasauce> they should already have chosen the soc if you ask me 2013-08-05T17:54:43 < Gargantuasauce> they have to develop drivers for TWO operating systems for it 2013-08-05T17:54:56 < BrainDamage> sorry, I missed it, context? 2013-08-05T17:55:04 < Gargantuasauce> ubuntu edge 2013-08-05T17:55:25 <+Steffanx> What else? 2013-08-05T17:55:27 < zyp> Gargantuasauce, sure, but the soc itself is probably unannounced and under NDA 2013-08-05T17:55:44 <+Steffanx> Didn't they plan to open source everything? 2013-08-05T17:55:54 <+Steffanx> I remember something similar with the rpi, but ... :P 2013-08-05T17:56:27 < zyp> Steffanx, NDA as in "you're not allowed to say something about the chip before it's officially announced" 2013-08-05T17:56:47 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-05T17:58:07 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T17:59:16 < zyp> I had cortex-A15 silicon sitting on my desk last year, way before any devices were available with it :p 2013-08-05T17:59:31 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T18:00:46 <+Steffanx> 'Sitting' :P 2013-08-05T18:00:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-05T18:00:54 <+Steffanx> Sorry, im not allowed to say things like that 2013-08-05T18:01:01 < zyp> yeah, I had a little chair for it 2013-08-05T18:02:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T18:03:22 < Laurenceb> http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/03/12/giant_pliers.jpg 2013-08-05T18:03:57 <+Steffanx> photo to source or it's fake. 2013-08-05T18:04:01 < zyp> Laurenceb, chimney were too high? 2013-08-05T18:04:18 < zyp> too tall rather 2013-08-05T18:04:30 < zyp> I blame Steffanx for bad english today 2013-08-05T18:04:36 <+Steffanx> Agreed. 2013-08-05T18:06:23 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-05T18:13:43 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-05T18:15:15 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T18:17:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-05T18:18:48 < mervaka> sup 2013-08-05T18:19:06 < Lt_Lemming> I read that as Merkava at first 2013-08-05T18:19:17 < Lt_Lemming> fairly sure there are no STM32's in the Merkava MBT 2013-08-05T18:20:27 < mervaka> yeah, my alias was supposed to be that when it was first used all those years ago. Typo persisted. 2013-08-05T18:20:37 < Lt_Lemming> lol 2013-08-05T18:20:50 < Lt_Lemming> it is quite the awesome vehicle :-P 2013-08-05T18:21:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T18:22:42 < mervaka> anyone here an absolute dude with the onboard ADCs? 2013-08-05T18:22:51 < Lt_Lemming> sorry, nope 2013-08-05T18:22:53 < mervaka> :p 2013-08-05T18:23:02 < mervaka> np 2013-08-05T18:23:23 < mervaka> inherited a problem to fix 2013-08-05T18:24:27 < Lt_Lemming> fun 2013-08-05T18:24:36 < Lt_Lemming> always the best type of problem 2013-08-05T18:24:53 < mervaka> every now and again, the values read seem to shit themselves 2013-08-05T18:25:16 < Lt_Lemming> on a custom board? 2013-08-05T18:25:20 < mervaka> yeah 2013-08-05T18:25:27 < Lt_Lemming> got a schematic? 2013-08-05T18:25:38 < mervaka> not that i can give you :( 2013-08-05T18:25:42 < Lt_Lemming> ah 2013-08-05T18:25:51 < mervaka> i'm at work 2013-08-05T18:25:52 < Lt_Lemming> is the power for the ADC's isolated? 2013-08-05T18:26:18 < mervaka> yeah, i think so 2013-08-05T18:26:33 < Lt_Lemming> seperate ground planes? 2013-08-05T18:26:41 < mervaka> yeah 2013-08-05T18:27:00 < mervaka> but its all in thick ali casing 2013-08-05T18:27:12 < Lt_Lemming> is the time span between the faulty readings predictable? 2013-08-05T18:27:15 < mervaka> and i've ran it through some EMC tests 2013-08-05T18:27:17 < mervaka> no 2013-08-05T18:27:44 < mervaka> i've ran it through a fast transient test, and a filtered mains 2013-08-05T18:27:59 < Lt_Lemming> it sounds to me like you have a transient noise source on the board 2013-08-05T18:28:01 < mervaka> doesn't make the problem any worse/better respectively 2013-08-05T18:28:09 < Lt_Lemming> and it's not as well filtered as you hoped 2013-08-05T18:28:18 < Lt_Lemming> if you ground the ADC pin does it reliably read 0? 2013-08-05T18:28:59 < mervaka> occasionally it will read say, 10 2013-08-05T18:29:07 <+Steffanx> Sure it's not a software issue? 2013-08-05T18:29:13 < Lt_Lemming> 10 out of 4096? 2013-08-05T18:29:25 < mervaka> Steffanx: no. 2013-08-05T18:29:29 <+Steffanx> ok :) 2013-08-05T18:29:40 < mervaka> i've been looking at this damn problem for a month now 2013-08-05T18:29:52 <+Steffanx> oof. 2013-08-05T18:29:59 < mervaka> EMC tests prove it's not a mains issue 2013-08-05T18:30:25 < mervaka> it gets through an averaging filter and multibit hysteresis filter 2013-08-05T18:30:29 < mervaka> at 9 bit level 2013-08-05T19:17:04 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-25-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T19:22:11 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-05T19:22:27 < Posterdati> please I need to configure EXTI irq on stm32f107 2013-08-05T19:23:13 < Posterdati> I need to make the PA0 connected button on stm32-h107 work :) 2013-08-05T19:23:28 < Posterdati> so I configured PA0 as floating input 2013-08-05T19:24:20 < Posterdati> then configured exti line 0 for GPIOA 2013-08-05T19:26:02 < Posterdati> NVIC_SetPriority(EXTI0_IRQn, 0x7f); 2013-08-05T19:26:12 < Posterdati> but pressing button won't trigger the IRQ 2013-08-05T19:27:54 < dongs> that priority looks dodgy. 2013-08-05T19:28:07 < dongs> there's also some exti shit to configure too 2013-08-05T19:28:11 < dongs> look at stlib samples. 2013-08-05T19:30:28 < Posterdati> I looked 2013-08-05T19:32:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.216.76] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T19:33:40 < Posterdati> forgot NVIC_EnableIRQ 2013-08-05T19:35:48 < Posterdati> no way 2013-08-05T19:53:52 -!- izzy_ [~izzy84075@50.46.21.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-05T19:54:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.216.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-05T20:00:26 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-05T20:01:14 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-05T20:03:33 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.163] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T20:06:31 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-05T20:07:42 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-05T20:07:55 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-05T20:08:35 -!- izzy84075 [izzy84075@50.46.28.153] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T20:09:42 < Posterdati> I used NVIC_PriorityGroupConfig(NVIC_PriorityGroup_4); 2013-08-05T20:10:00 < Posterdati> then NVIC_SetPriority(SysTick_IRQn, NVIC_EncodePriority(NVIC_GetPriorityGrouping(), 0x01, 0x00));NVIC_SetPriority(PendSV_IRQn, NVIC_EncodePriority(NVIC_GetPriorityGrouping(), 0xff, 0x00)); 2013-08-05T20:10:14 < Posterdati> for the SysTick and PendSV 2013-08-05T20:10:42 < Posterdati> but setting NVIC_SetPriority(EXTI0_IRQn, NVIC_EncodePriority(NVIC_GetPriorityGrouping(), 0x02, 0x00)); hangs all 2013-08-05T20:13:09 -!- izzy84075 [izzy84075@50.46.28.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-05T20:27:53 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-05T20:29:47 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-05T20:34:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-05T20:40:44 < Posterdati> no way 2013-08-05T20:40:49 < Posterdati> it won't work 2013-08-05T20:40:51 < Posterdati> :( 2013-08-05T20:56:37 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@trepidacious.plus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T20:57:12 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@213.sub-75-244-167.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T20:57:58 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-05T21:04:18 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-05T21:17:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-05T21:20:44 -!- [1]arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T21:22:20 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-05T21:22:21 -!- [1]arnonh is now known as arnonh 2013-08-05T21:26:44 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@213.sub-75-244-167.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-05T21:26:49 -!- zetaz [~arno@102.185.204.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T21:29:29 -!- zetaz [~arno@102.185.204.77.rev.sfr.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-05T21:29:39 < Posterdati> :( 2013-08-05T21:29:54 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-05T21:31:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T21:37:53 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T21:40:07 -!- [1]arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T21:41:50 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-05T21:41:50 -!- [1]arnonh is now known as arnonh 2013-08-05T21:44:09 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2013-08-05T22:00:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T22:05:56 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T22:36:58 -!- [1]arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T22:39:26 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-05T22:39:26 -!- [1]arnonh is now known as arnonh 2013-08-05T22:50:44 -!- zeropointo [d89dd0a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.157.208.162] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T22:53:20 < zeropointo> I'm using a Cortex M3 with Eclipse and gcc-arm-embedded on xubuntu and I want to switch to CooCox IDE in windows for ease of debugging mostly. However, i have a strange problem when i try to debug with CoIDE. 2013-08-05T22:54:05 < zeropointo> if -O0 it jumps to the hard fault handler. but if -Os it runs fine but seems to turn off the systick interrupt... 2013-08-05T22:54:29 < zeropointo> it's quite confusing... 2013-08-05T22:55:04 < Laurenceb_> not as confusing as chix with dix 2013-08-05T23:00:24 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-05T23:01:18 < emeb> Laurenceb_: always keepin' it classy. :P 2013-08-05T23:01:35 * emeb should talk... 2013-08-05T23:04:14 <+Steffanx> That always happens or just with your specific code? 2013-08-05T23:04:29 <+Steffanx> Doesn't coocox ide have something to help you debug hardfaults? 2013-08-05T23:05:35 <+Steffanx> ( i dont know, but i would expect that from an IDE ) 2013-08-05T23:06:10 < zeropointo> i can examine the call stack and i see that the error is generated in the default reset handler function when it attempts to copy the program into ram 2013-08-05T23:07:06 < zeropointo> why this error is only generated whith -O0 and not -Os is beyond me. 2013-08-05T23:11:20 < emeb> does your program run in non-debug mode? 2013-08-05T23:11:46 < zeropointo> runs fine 2013-08-05T23:12:32 < zeropointo> and with -Os it runs until the Delay function that depends on systick is called... 2013-08-05T23:12:41 < zeropointo> then it hangs waiting for systick. 2013-08-05T23:14:25 < emeb> bizarre 2013-08-05T23:14:45 < zeropointo> yeah... 2013-08-05T23:14:58 < emeb> can you single-step to see if the systick is getting initialized? 2013-08-05T23:15:11 < emeb> (does that section of code execute?) 2013-08-05T23:15:47 <+Steffanx> You can actually look at some registers too see why O0 fails, but .. i always forget the details about this :( 2013-08-05T23:16:08 <+Steffanx> ( and zyp still didn't wrote an article about it and he is the expert :P ) 2013-08-05T23:16:09 < emeb> huh? 2013-08-05T23:16:37 <+Steffanx> He gets an hardfault with O0 .. 2013-08-05T23:16:46 <+Steffanx> but some argue O0 is useless to use anyway. 2013-08-05T23:17:19 < emeb> O0 is mainly useful for debugging since optimize code is so hard to follow. 2013-08-05T23:17:58 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-05T23:18:16 < emeb> but if O0 borks the debugger... two wrongs don't make a right. 2013-08-05T23:18:20 < zeropointo> emeb: right. I would like to use -O0 for debugging. 2013-08-05T23:18:53 < zeropointo> emeb: rather than seeing the line "optimized out" all over 2013-08-05T23:19:37 < emeb> ya. the other confusing thing is watching the current line pointer bounce all over the place due to reordering. 2013-08-05T23:20:11 < zeropointo> yeah that makes me feel dizzy. 2013-08-05T23:20:14 <+Steffanx> i guess zeropointo uses the stlink? 2013-08-05T23:20:23 < zeropointo> Steffanx: good guess 2013-08-05T23:20:27 < zeropointo> V2 2013-08-05T23:20:38 < zeropointo> over JTAG 2013-08-05T23:21:35 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.163] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T23:23:34 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-05T23:25:23 <+Steffanx> What wasn't clear to me. It runs fine in both Os and O0 not in debug mode zeropointo? 2013-08-05T23:25:31 <+Steffanx> *while not in 2013-08-05T23:25:49 < zeropointo> yes thats right 2013-08-05T23:26:38 <+Steffanx> Sorry, then i have no clue. :( 2013-08-05T23:27:40 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T23:36:59 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T23:37:19 -!- izzy84075 [~izzy84075@50.46.28.160] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T23:41:30 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-05T23:43:55 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-05T23:55:29 -!- izzy84075 [~izzy84075@50.46.28.160] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-05T23:55:43 -!- izzy84075 [~izzy84075@50.46.28.160] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Aug 06 2013 2013-08-06T00:01:15 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 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floating 2013-08-06T00:40:28 < Posterdati> GPIO EXTI = GPIO_Source A, pin 0 2013-08-06T00:40:38 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-06T00:41:20 < Posterdati> EXTI = rising edge, irq type, line0 2013-08-06T00:58:23 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-06T01:04:47 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T01:35:05 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T01:58:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-06T02:03:53 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.155] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T02:06:40 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-06T02:12:53 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-06T02:15:21 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-238-233.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping 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http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 2013-08-06T05:03:05 < dongs> another tray of F1 ordered.. goin through that shit 2013-08-06T05:16:15 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T05:21:14 < dongs> zippe: upgrdman> stm lsm303dlhc accelerometer/magnetometer. wtf is wrong with stm. there's a drdy pin, but its only for the magnetometer, and they DO NOT explicitly state that in the datasheet when describing that pin 2013-08-06T05:22:26 < zippe> That's funny 2013-08-06T05:22:50 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-06T05:22:55 < dongs> 2 dudes in a row with same complaining 2013-08-06T05:22:55 < dongs> :) 2013-08-06T05:23:51 < zippe> Where by funny I mean "sad and tragic" 2013-08-06T05:24:30 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-06T05:27:43 < upgrdman> what? 2013-08-06T05:27:52 < upgrdman> someone else whining about the lsm303dlhc? 2013-08-06T05:27:57 < dongs> upgrdman: you got the "wrong" part 2013-08-06T05:28:22 < upgrdman> ? 2013-08-06T05:32:41 < upgrdman> its a cheap MEMS but that still doesnt justify shitty docs. it seems chronic with stm docs... regardless of device 2013-08-06T05:37:11 < zippe> Chronic with many sensor vendors, actually 2013-08-06T05:40:02 < upgrdman> i havnt played with ti mems, but other ti docs that i've read were great. few if any typos/grammatical errors... clear explanations, etc. 2013-08-06T05:42:07 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@2.94.54.199] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T05:42:07 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@2.94.54.199] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-06T05:42:07 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T05:45:15 -!- inca_ [~quassel@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T05:47:47 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-06T05:47:48 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-08-06T06:08:41 < zippe> TI are one of the few companies with a really hardcore documentation team 2013-08-06T06:09:01 < dongs> i bet they dont use openoffice, either 2013-08-06T06:09:14 < zippe> I have been building stuff and reading datasheets since the late 80s, and they've consistently been excellent 2013-08-06T06:09:23 < zippe> dongs: till recently, I believe they were still a FrameMaker shop 2013-08-06T06:09:29 < dongs> right 2013-08-06T06:09:41 < dongs> and switched to whaT? 2013-08-06T06:09:48 < zippe> LaTeX 2013-08-06T06:09:49 < dongs> st still uses framemaker too 2013-08-06T06:09:53 < dongs> zippe: haha get out 2013-08-06T06:10:16 < emeb_mac> FM is still a thing? 2013-08-06T06:10:23 < dongs> zippe: plz tell me youre joking 2013-08-06T06:10:24 < zippe> Yeah, Adobe own it now 2013-08-06T06:10:33 < zippe> dongs: truth is I have no idea what they use now 2013-08-06T06:10:35 < emeb_mac> jeez - I was using that 10yrs ago @ Intersil 2013-08-06T06:10:39 < dongs> right , ok 2013-08-06T06:10:57 < zippe> I talked to an ex-TI dox guy around 2010, said they were talking about moving to something more markup-y 2013-08-06T06:10:57 < emeb_mac> It's not bad actually. Better that MS Word by a long shot 2013-08-06T06:11:30 < zippe> Tellme about it 2013-08-06T06:11:45 < zippe> I still have to yell at teams internally that think that setting their documentation in Comic Sans is a good idea. 2013-08-06T06:11:59 < emeb_mac> lol 2013-08-06T06:12:42 < zippe> I would love to laugh about it 2013-08-06T06:12:56 < zippe> But we shipped at least one ROM security hole due to numerical ambiguity in CS 2013-08-06T06:13:13 < gxti> that's even more amusing. 2013-08-06T06:13:26 < emeb_mac> oy 2013-08-06T06:14:48 < upgrdman> theres actually people who like the look of comic sans? o_0 2013-08-06T06:16:32 < zippe> *shrugs* They laughed when we told them to change it … like they thought we were joking 2013-08-06T06:16:47 < upgrdman> :( 2013-08-06T06:16:48 < zippe> Silicon people are mostly retards 2013-08-06T06:16:53 < emeb_mac> heh 2013-08-06T06:16:55 < dongs> zippe: CPS is failing as bad as tarnovsky. except they took 10x of what he did. 2013-08-06T06:17:03 * emeb_mac used to design chips 2013-08-06T06:17:22 < zippe> Very few of them undersatnd how software works, and they think that once the chip tapes out there's nothing more to worry about. 2013-08-06T06:17:36 < zippe> dongs: that blows 2013-08-06T06:17:39 < emeb_mac> not my department... 2013-08-06T06:17:54 < zippe> emeb_mac: exactly. 2013-08-06T06:18:02 < zippe> emeb_mac: the good ones we value greatly. 2013-08-06T06:18:22 < emeb_mac> at least when I did chips I had to go to the test floor to help develop the test programs. 2013-08-06T06:18:37 < zippe> pfft, DV. 2013-08-06T06:18:39 < zippe> Even worse. 2013-08-06T06:19:03 < zippe> "Please dont expect us to test that the chip actually does what the spec says, that's too hard. If we can run Spec on it, it must be OK" 2013-08-06T06:19:24 < emeb_mac> yeah 2013-08-06T06:19:29 < zippe> "What do you mean you want to DMA to device registers… we told you we weren't going to test based on your use cases" 2013-08-06T06:19:43 < emeb_mac> the stories I hear about test coverage. 2013-08-06T06:19:54 < zippe> They're in bed with the designers… "we could add that feature but we don't have the DV resources to test it" 2013-08-06T06:20:36 < zippe> They don't like software people that can read RTL or do gate count/area -> leakage calculations 2013-08-06T06:20:47 < zippe> aaaanyway 2013-08-06T06:21:00 < zippe> I should go do something useful like order more quadcopter parts that I will never fly 2013-08-06T06:21:07 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T06:21:11 < emeb_mac> buddy of mine works at a major chip mfg here in town - talks about all the known errata that don't get fixed because it would be too hard to change the test programs 2013-08-06T06:21:26 < R2COM> hmm 2013-08-06T06:21:26 < zippe> emeb_mac: or the simulator 2013-08-06T06:21:36 < R2COM> I'm making some observations with L3GD gyro 2013-08-06T06:21:50 < R2COM> was interested in the way how he tells when data is ready 2013-08-06T06:21:51 < zippe> H or non-H ? 2013-08-06T06:22:01 < dongs> R2COM: upgrdman> stm lsm303dlhc accelerometer/magnetometer. wtf is wrong with stm. there's a drdy pin, but its only for the magnetometer, and they DO NOT explicitly state that in the datasheet when describing that pin 2013-08-06T06:22:22 < R2COM> according to their docs, of ST. it pulls UP DRDY (if it was configured for it) once data is ready, and pulls it down after its read 2013-08-06T06:22:33 < upgrdman> lol 2013-08-06T06:22:36 < R2COM> huh 2013-08-06T06:22:55 < R2COM> well well 2013-08-06T06:23:01 < R2COM> now I am messing with gyro 2013-08-06T06:23:03 < R2COM> not lsm303 2013-08-06T06:23:06 < upgrdman> ya, use int1 for "accel drdy" 2013-08-06T06:23:17 < upgrdman> o nm 2013-08-06T06:23:22 < R2COM> upgrdman: no.... if you are talking about LSM303 2013-08-06T06:23:23 < R2COM> then 2013-08-06T06:23:29 < R2COM> those INTerrupts are *inertial* 2013-08-06T06:23:36 < R2COM> they are not about *data ready* event 2013-08-06T06:23:49 < R2COM> thats the way it is with LSM303 2013-08-06T06:23:53 < R2COM> L3GD is different 2013-08-06T06:24:10 < R2COM> there user can configure CTRL_REG3, and let him output DRDY/INT2 for *data ready* event 2013-08-06T06:24:20 < R2COM> independent of inertial threshold/events/etc 2013-08-06T06:24:55 < R2COM> dongs: and yea... I noticed that too.. 2013-08-06T06:25:05 < R2COM> but, what I wanted to tell now, is something about L3GD 2013-08-06T06:25:39 < upgrdman> CTRL_REG3_A description 2013-08-06T06:25:43 < R2COM> specifically: I am making measurements after configuring device in 400 Hz sampling mode, and it turns out that DRDY/INT2 pin pulls UP at freq. of about 416-sometimes 420 Hz 2013-08-06T06:25:44 < R2COM> thats it 2013-08-06T06:25:54 < upgrdman> 1_DRDY1 DRDY1 interrupt on INT1. Default value 0. 2013-08-06T06:25:54 < upgrdman> (0: disable, 1: enable) 2013-08-06T06:26:20 < R2COM> upgrdman: you talking now about GYRO or ACC? (LSM303 or L3GD? ) 2013-08-06T06:26:24 < upgrdman> acc 2013-08-06T06:26:41 < R2COM> which page and datasheet rev ? 2013-08-06T06:26:55 < upgrdman> pg 26 http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/DM00027543.pdf 2013-08-06T06:27:23 < R2COM> ok opening 2013-08-06T06:27:24 < R2COM> but 2013-08-06T06:27:45 < R2COM> look up see, it turns out that DRDY (for GYRO) pulls up earlier than 400 Hz update rate 2013-08-06T06:27:53 < R2COM> it pulls up with frequency of 416 Hz 2013-08-06T06:27:57 < R2COM> or 420 Hz 2013-08-06T06:27:59 < R2COM> it varies 2013-08-06T06:28:12 < R2COM> not like almost dead stable 400 Hz (like the sampling rate selected) 2013-08-06T06:28:36 < zippe> 420Hz is +5%, that's pretty good tolerance for an un-trimmed RC oscillator 2013-08-06T06:28:44 < upgrdman> i setup an l3gd20 for 100hz and got clean 100hz on the drdy 2013-08-06T06:28:53 < R2COM> i figured, I am just pointing it out 2013-08-06T06:29:05 < upgrdman> your just exti'ing on rising edges right? 2013-08-06T06:29:21 < R2COM> no... right now Im just checking with scope 2013-08-06T06:29:36 < R2COM> in sfotware I actually read SR to find out if data is available 2013-08-06T06:29:39 < R2COM> but after I done that 2013-08-06T06:29:42 < upgrdman> iirc, drdy stays high until you read out data... ? 2013-08-06T06:29:43 < R2COM> i decided to play with DRDY 2013-08-06T06:29:48 < R2COM> exactly 2013-08-06T06:30:08 < R2COM> for a same amount of time, which takes during the same operation done with reading SR 2013-08-06T06:30:27 < R2COM> which makes sense...since I am reading pretty fast, at 400KHz 2013-08-06T06:30:56 < R2COM> I am curious now to see what difference would I get on another similar board and sensor 2013-08-06T06:31:02 < R2COM> with that DRDY pin freq. 2013-08-06T06:33:40 < upgrdman> R2COM: fwiw, here's my working code for 100hz interrupts: http://pastebin.com/SwntZZqL 2013-08-06T06:33:58 < R2COM> thank you, but I dont have problems with code 2013-08-06T06:34:39 < dongs> uh 2013-08-06T06:34:50 < dongs> upgrdman: so what happens after a few mintes when i overflows? 2013-08-06T06:35:00 < upgrdman> it doesnt 2013-08-06T06:35:11 < upgrdman> i dont i++ after determining offset 2013-08-06T06:35:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-06T06:35:34 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T06:36:11 < dongs> well, that looks ugly anyway. 2013-08-06T06:36:37 < R2COM> everything not indented by Keil's GUI is shit for sure xD 2013-08-06T06:37:07 < upgrdman> thats pastebin fucking up my tabs :) 2013-08-06T06:37:12 < upgrdman> its near in my ide 2013-08-06T06:37:14 < upgrdman> neat 2013-08-06T06:50:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-06T06:51:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T06:52:19 < R2COM> upgrdman: 2013-08-06T06:52:26 < upgrdman> ? 2013-08-06T06:52:27 < R2COM> and that DRDY INT1 thingy you talking about 2013-08-06T06:52:31 < R2COM> doesnt work on LSM303 2013-08-06T06:52:47 < upgrdman> works for me 2013-08-06T06:52:58 < R2COM> writing 0x8 to REG3, and reading data doesnt make that INT1 pin toggle every 400Hz (as it was case with DRDY/INT2 with L3GD) 2013-08-06T06:53:27 < upgrdman> my crappy segway robot and rigol scope beg to differ 2013-08-06T06:53:31 < upgrdman> at 100hz 2013-08-06T06:53:54 < R2COM> anyhow 2013-08-06T06:53:58 < upgrdman> i2c_write_registers(i2c, ACCEL_ADDRESS, 6, 0x20, // register address = 0x20, auto-increment 2013-08-06T06:53:58 < upgrdman> 0b01010111, // CTRL_REG1 value 2013-08-06T06:53:58 < upgrdman> 0b10000000, // CTRL_REG2 value 2013-08-06T06:53:58 < upgrdman> 0b00010000, // CTRL_REG3 value 2013-08-06T06:53:58 < upgrdman> 0b00001000, // CTRL_REG4 value 2013-08-06T06:53:58 < upgrdman> 0, // CTRL_REG5 value 2013-08-06T06:54:00 < upgrdman> 0); // CTRL_REG6 value 2013-08-06T06:54:02 < upgrdman> shit oops 2013-08-06T06:54:14 < R2COM> 10000 ? 2013-08-06T06:54:17 < upgrdman> meant to paste bin that 2013-08-06T06:54:25 < dongs> 0b???? 2013-08-06T06:54:30 < dongs> you fucking gcc troll 2013-08-06T06:54:36 < upgrdman> :) it works 2013-08-06T06:54:43 < R2COM> wait a second dude 2013-08-06T06:54:51 < R2COM> I1_DRDY1 is bit #3 2013-08-06T06:54:58 < R2COM> 10000 is setting bit #4 2013-08-06T06:55:00 < R2COM> ? 2013-08-06T06:55:15 < R2COM> errrr 2013-08-06T06:55:52 < upgrdman> no 4 2013-08-06T06:55:55 < upgrdman> see pg26 2013-08-06T06:56:17 < upgrdman> err bottom of pg25 2013-08-06T06:56:24 < upgrdman> notice the empty bit0 :) 2013-08-06T06:56:54 < R2COM> right... because docs were written in douchebag way... two times stating one thing, in one occasion mention "dont care" bit in another not. 2013-08-06T06:57:13 < upgrdman> yes .... let the rage flow 2013-08-06T06:57:30 < R2COM> gym time soon anyhow 2013-08-06T06:57:57 < upgrdman> dongs: does your $$ compiler not have notation for binary numbers? 2013-08-06T06:58:10 < dongs> upgrdman: it doesnt, beacuse it follows these things called "standards" 2013-08-06T06:58:14 < dongs> instead of inventing their own 2013-08-06T06:58:52 < upgrdman> GAY 2013-08-06T06:59:01 < upgrdman> how the fuck can you not have notation for bin 2013-08-06T06:59:06 < upgrdman> FUCKING RETARDED 2013-08-06T06:59:19 < upgrdman> extensions are fine when used carefully 2013-08-06T06:59:49 < upgrdman> its not like 0b notation is unportable to other compilers... 2013-08-06T07:00:22 < R2COM> ok it works nicely now 2013-08-06T07:00:25 < R2COM> gym time 2013-08-06T07:00:34 < upgrdman> :) 2013-08-06T07:01:56 < zippe> upgrdman: Per the C99 Rationale document "A proposal to add binary constants was rejected due to lack of precedent and insufficient utility." 2013-08-06T07:02:10 < zippe> read: if you need binary constants, you suck pretty hardcore. 2013-08-06T07:03:35 < upgrdman> sure... cause bitfields in hex or dec make better sense 2013-08-06T07:03:44 < upgrdman> what a bunch of dildos 2013-08-06T07:15:33 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@61.sub-75-233-99.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T07:16:11 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-06T07:26:19 < dongs> < zippe> read: if you need binary constants, you suck pretty hardcore. 2013-08-06T07:26:20 < dongs> agreed 2013-08-06T07:43:09 < upgrdman> please. enlighten me. why is hex or dec better for bitfields? 2013-08-06T07:46:57 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-25-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-06T07:47:13 < zippe> For starters, it's more compact and readable. 2013-08-06T07:47:38 < zippe> Also, a bitfield is something entirely different. 2013-08-06T07:47:58 < zippe> struct foo { unsigned a:10; unsigned b:22; }; <- those are bitfields 2013-08-06T07:56:05 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-122-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T08:02:23 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-122-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-06T08:04:00 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@61.sub-75-233-99.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-06T08:05:46 < upgrdman> how is hex or dec MORE readable for bits? 2013-08-06T08:06:01 < dongs> upgrdman: you can always explicitly define 'bits' as 1 << 3 | 1 << 2 etc to set stuff. 2013-08-06T08:06:21 < upgrdman> sure 2013-08-06T08:07:19 < upgrdman> but if i need bits 0,1,5,7 set, do you think that "1<<0 | 1<<1 | 1<<5 | 1<<7" is more readable than 0b11000101 2013-08-06T08:07:30 < dongs> yes 2013-08-06T08:07:36 < upgrdman> err 0b10100011 2013-08-06T08:07:53 < dongs> though "1 << 0 | 1 << 1 | 1 << 5 | 1 << 7" would be even more readable. 2013-08-06T08:08:08 < upgrdman> seems way more verbose than it needs to be 2013-08-06T08:09:16 < zippe> upgrdman: I don't know about you, but 0xa3 is pretty readable to me 8) 2013-08-06T08:09:35 < upgrdman> trolling? 2013-08-06T08:09:50 < zippe> Honestly? Just feeling superior 8) 2013-08-06T08:09:56 < upgrdman> :) 2013-08-06T08:10:10 < zippe> Also, just had to deal with a hysterical girlfriend who was watching a cat murder some doves outside our bedroom window. 2013-08-06T08:10:31 < upgrdman> lol 2013-08-06T08:11:54 < upgrdman> so whats the correct word for pattern of bits ... other than register 2013-08-06T08:26:23 < zippe> 'value' 2013-08-06T08:27:04 < dongs> zippe, arent you old enough to be beyond "girlfriends" 2013-08-06T08:27:23 < dongs> or are you pulling a baird 2013-08-06T08:29:38 < englishman> Also, just had to deal with a hysterical girlfriend who was watching a cat murder some doves outside our bedroom window. 2013-08-06T08:29:44 < englishman> yeah stick with the cat 2013-08-06T08:30:23 -!- Inteliada [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T08:51:01 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T08:54:46 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-06T08:55:27 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T08:57:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-06T09:02:55 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T09:05:37 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-06T09:06:32 < R2COM> haha 2013-08-06T09:06:34 < R2COM> trolling 2013-08-06T09:06:50 < R2COM> of course bits for a small number in binary is more readable 2013-08-06T09:07:07 < R2COM> I use it all the time when I do HDL coding for 8,16 bit vectors 2013-08-06T09:10:29 < R2COM> zippe is definitely a superior, dont commit technical suicide by arguing with him xD 2013-08-06T09:12:36 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T09:15:34 < dongs> i need some ideas how to get worthless shit on hackaday 2013-08-06T09:15:35 < dongs> any ideas? 2013-08-06T09:15:45 < dongs> er, some worthless hack ideas 2013-08-06T09:16:31 < R2COM> not even sure what hackaday is 2013-08-06T09:16:40 < dongs> its a shitty blog 2013-08-06T09:31:58 -!- pelzkartoffel [~sqpgt@p5DC48B5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T09:37:25 -!- Inteliada [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-06T09:40:57 -!- luke3 [~luke@cnh19514922325.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-06T09:52:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T09:54:43 -!- luke3 [~luke@cnh19514922325.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T09:56:34 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.248.21] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T09:56:37 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T09:58:51 < jpa-> dongs: i think they usually post stuff quite easily 2013-08-06T09:59:33 < jpa-> dongs: but what they consider a hack varies a lot.. sometimes if you do stuff too well, it is not hackish enough for them ;) 2013-08-06T10:00:00 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.243.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-06T10:00:22 < Gargantuasauce> port baseflight to python and run it on the rpi 2013-08-06T10:08:01 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.248.21] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-06T10:08:14 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-06T10:10:54 -!- pelzkartoffel [~sqpgt@p5DC48B5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-06T10:13:09 < dongs> thats dumb. 2013-08-06T10:15:22 < Gargantuasauce> uh 2013-08-06T10:15:25 < Gargantuasauce> isnt that the point? 2013-08-06T10:15:39 < Gargantuasauce> this is hackaday we're talking about 2013-08-06T10:16:12 < dongs> ya but this is actually dumb + waste of time 2013-08-06T10:16:38 < dongs> just dumb would be oK. 2013-08-06T10:17:32 < Gargantuasauce> so youre asking for a useful arduino project idea 2013-08-06T10:20:34 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-06T10:26:48 < dongs> wouldnt that be mutually exclusive 2013-08-06T10:33:07 < dongs> http://www.tentlabsshop.com/DetailServlet?detailID=1442 2013-08-06T10:50:22 -!- Inteliada [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T10:52:54 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-088-068-017-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T10:52:56 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T10:57:40 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T11:07:47 -!- pelzkartoffel [~sqpgt@p5DC48B5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T11:51:06 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-06T11:51:15 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-06T11:51:24 < Posterdati> I've got a strange behaviour for EXTI0 on GPIOA.0 on STM32-H107, the IRQ won't trigger 2013-08-06T11:51:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T11:52:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-06T11:53:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T11:55:37 < Posterdati> http://pastebin.com/fjwV7yV3 2013-08-06T11:59:37 < Posterdati> http://pastebin.com/CZ660Z9a 2013-08-06T11:59:52 < Posterdati> the last is the SysTick and PendSV config 2013-08-06T12:03:32 < dongs> motherfucker 2013-08-06T12:04:21 < dongs> got some CR06-152FV 2013-08-06T12:04:42 < Posterdati> ? 2013-08-06T12:04:51 < dongs> its "0603" resistor 2013-08-06T12:04:55 < dongs> except its actually 06fucking03 2013-08-06T12:05:01 < dongs> and not 1608 2013-08-06T12:05:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T12:05:09 < dongs> been a while since I got fucked by this metric faggotry 2013-08-06T12:06:35 < Posterdati> 0603 2013-08-06T12:06:42 < Posterdati> we used 0402 2013-08-06T12:06:55 < Posterdati> but assembled with machine 2013-08-06T12:07:00 < dongs> ? 2013-08-06T12:07:05 < jpa-> i don't understand why they didn't call it M0603 or something for the metric version 2013-08-06T12:08:54 < dongs> 0.3x0.23mm 2013-08-06T12:09:00 < dongs> i think they just do that shit to fuck with peopel 2013-08-06T12:11:25 < jpa-> uh.. isn't even M0603 just 0.6 x 0.3 mm.. 2013-08-06T12:11:33 < dongs> no idea 2013-08-06T12:11:41 < dongs> this trash looks about 0201 size 2013-08-06T12:11:46 < dongs> its smaller than 0402 2013-08-06T12:11:52 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T12:11:54 < jpa-> yep 2013-08-06T12:12:03 < jpa-> metric 0603 = imperial 0201 2013-08-06T12:12:10 < dongs> fucking garbage. 2013-08-06T12:19:02 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-06T12:23:44 < Posterdati> can't figure out the exti irq problem :( 2013-08-06T12:24:54 < jpa-> Posterdati: 1. check if the pin state looks correct when you read from GPIO 2. read back the relevant NVIC etc. registers and see that they have the values that you would expect 3. pastebin those values, i can't bother to read any stdperiph stuff 2013-08-06T12:38:03 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T12:38:06 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T12:59:07 < Posterdati> jpa-: I'm running on an stm32-h107 using WAKEUP button as EXTI external IRQ source 2013-08-06T13:00:34 < Posterdati> jpa-: GPIOA, GPIO_Mode_IN_FLOATING, GPIO_Pin_0, GPIO_Speed_50MHz 2013-08-06T13:01:25 < Posterdati> on EXT1-4 (board header) 2013-08-06T13:01:42 < Posterdati> EXT1-4 goes up and down as pull the button 2013-08-06T13:04:51 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T13:09:47 < Posterdati> jpa-: GPIOA->IDR = 0x473f 2013-08-06T13:09:59 < Posterdati> if I press the button, if I release the button 2013-08-06T13:10:09 < Posterdati> GPIOA->IDR=0x473e 2013-08-06T13:10:17 < Posterdati> so the GPIOA is correct 2013-08-06T13:17:01 < Posterdati> EXTI->IMR = 0x00000001 2013-08-06T13:17:05 < Posterdati> correct! 2013-08-06T13:17:15 < Posterdati> I think it is an NVIC missconfiguration 2013-08-06T13:18:29 -!- pelzkartoffel [~sqpgt@p5DC48B5D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2013-08-06T13:31:51 < Posterdati> jpa-: NVIC->ISER = 0x64 2013-08-06T13:31:53 < Posterdati> sorry 2013-08-06T13:31:58 < Posterdati> jpa-: NVIC->ISER = 0x40 2013-08-06T13:32:18 < Posterdati> jpa-: NVIC->ICER = 0x40 2013-08-06T13:32:30 < Posterdati> jpa-: NVIC->ISPR = 0x00 2013-08-06T13:32:40 < Posterdati> jpa-: NVIC->ICPR = 0x00 2013-08-06T13:32:54 < Posterdati> jpa-: NVIC->IABR = 0x00 2013-08-06T13:33:04 < Posterdati> jpa-: NVIC->IP = 0x00 2013-08-06T13:33:16 < Posterdati> jpa-: NVIC->STIR = 0x00 2013-08-06T13:34:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-06T13:34:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T13:35:29 < Posterdati> jpa-: NVIC->ISER[ 0 ] = 0x40 2013-08-06T13:40:51 < Posterdati> :( 2013-08-06T13:49:41 < jpa-> Posterdati: check if you get a value in EXTI->PR (should happen if EXTI is ok), and see if you get an interrupt if you write '1' to EXTI->SWIER (should happen if NVIC is ok) 2013-08-06T13:49:56 < Posterdati> ok 2013-08-06T13:56:44 < Posterdati> jpa-: EXTI->PR=0x01 2013-08-06T13:56:53 < Posterdati> as I press the button 2013-08-06T13:57:31 < jpa-> ok, so nvic problem most likely 2013-08-06T13:58:04 < Posterdati> I put EXTI->SWIER=1 2013-08-06T13:58:08 < Posterdati> nothing happens 2013-08-06T13:58:14 < Posterdati> now 2013-08-06T13:58:16 < jpa-> yeah, it just sets the PR anyway 2013-08-06T13:58:27 < Posterdati> so EXTI and GPIO are ok 2013-08-06T13:58:42 < Posterdati> I was argue that it was an NVIC missconfig 2013-08-06T13:58:48 < Posterdati> now 2013-08-06T13:59:09 < Posterdati> I placed two system exception on: SysTick and PendSV 2013-08-06T13:59:15 < Posterdati> code is in 2013-08-06T13:59:19 < dongs> hello dudes who refuse to use stdperiphlib 2013-08-06T13:59:39 < jpa-> dongs: he *is* using stdperiph :) 2013-08-06T13:59:43 < Posterdati> http://pastebin.com/fjwV7yV3 2013-08-06T13:59:47 < Posterdati> http://pastebin.com/CZ660Z9a 2013-08-06T14:00:01 < Posterdati> shall I config a priority group stuff? 2013-08-06T14:00:07 < dongs> dude 2013-08-06T14:00:10 < dongs> what proc is this? 2013-08-06T14:00:10 < dongs> F1? 2013-08-06T14:00:53 < dongs> dumb question of the day: is AFIO clock on? 2013-08-06T14:01:07 < dongs> next dumb question: is GPIO_EXTILineConfig done? 2013-08-06T14:01:29 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/jriwLY86.html 2013-08-06T14:01:36 < jpa-> considering that EXTI->PR gets set, i'm willing to assume those registers are ok 2013-08-06T14:11:17 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-08-06T14:11:39 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T14:15:38 < Posterdati> dongs: stm32f107 2013-08-06T14:15:59 < Posterdati> dongs: AFIO clock is on 2013-08-06T14:16:37 < Posterdati> and reset is disabled 2013-08-06T14:17:18 < Posterdati> dongs: yes, GPIO_EXTILineConfig(0, 0); 2013-08-06T14:20:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR_] 2013-08-06T14:22:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T14:27:17 < Posterdati> jpa-: :( 2013-08-06T14:28:07 < dongs> youre doing it/something wrong 2013-08-06T14:30:41 < Posterdati> yes 2013-08-06T14:30:43 < Posterdati> what? 2013-08-06T14:33:20 <+Steffanx> I bet you will bang your head against the wall when you figure out what :P 2013-08-06T14:34:22 < Posterdati> it seems that WWDG_IRQHandler is executed! 2013-08-06T14:37:41 < dongs> did you use a wrong fucking startup asm? 2013-08-06T14:37:43 < dongs> for not 107? 2013-08-06T14:37:49 < dongs> and your irq vectors are differnt? 2013-08-06T14:38:15 < Posterdati> I used one for CL devices 2013-08-06T14:39:30 < Posterdati> I checked vectors against RM008 table 61 page 190 2013-08-06T14:45:47 < Tectu> is there some help to choose pincompatible MCUs?? 2013-08-06T14:45:52 < Tectu> I need an alternative for an STM32F102CBT 2013-08-06T14:52:19 < Lt_Lemming> Tectu, are you looking for another stm part, or a different chip all together? 2013-08-06T14:53:26 -!- [1]arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T14:54:55 < dongs> Tectu: ? isnt that 48qfp? 2013-08-06T14:55:05 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-06T14:55:05 -!- [1]arnonh is now known as arnonh 2013-08-06T14:58:12 < Tectu> Lt_Lemming, different STM part 2013-08-06T14:58:15 < Tectu> dongs, yep 2013-08-06T14:58:20 < Tectu> dongs, I need it for a BMP 2013-08-06T14:58:29 < dongs> BMP uses F103CB 2013-08-06T14:58:49 < Lt_Lemming> BMP? 2013-08-06T14:59:57 < Tectu> dongie, I see 2013-08-06T15:00:12 <+Steffanx> Black Magic Proble Lt_Lemming 2013-08-06T15:01:12 <+Steffanx> dongs, the 'new' ones use the 102 .. 2013-08-06T15:01:20 <+Steffanx> The mini. 2013-08-06T15:03:03 < karlp> Tectu: it will run on lots of things, if you change the pin defintions a litte 2013-08-06T15:05:29 < Posterdati> solved! 2013-08-06T15:05:38 <+Steffanx> .. 2013-08-06T15:06:07 < Posterdati> I missed the handler declarations in stm32f10x_it.hpp 2013-08-06T15:10:16 <+Steffanx> oops 2013-08-06T15:13:25 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-06T15:13:53 -!- gcds [~gcds@193.219.74.134] has quit [Quit: gcds] 2013-08-06T15:20:53 < Posterdati> yes 2013-08-06T15:21:09 < Posterdati> because Handler functions are encased in extern "C" { } stuff 2013-08-06T15:27:02 < Lt_Lemming> noooo, 3% left on this torrent and it's dropped to 30KB/s >_< 2013-08-06T15:32:10 < Lt_Lemming> sorry, .3% 2013-08-06T15:38:42 <+Steffanx> must be a large torrent if you care about that 'slow' speed 2013-08-06T15:38:51 < Lt_Lemming> 51.7GB 2013-08-06T15:39:08 <+Steffanx> Sounds legal. :P 2013-08-06T15:39:23 < Lt_Lemming> it's not, but there is no legal option in this country, so fuck them 2013-08-06T15:41:07 <+Steffanx> :) 2013-08-06T15:42:11 < Laurenceb> muh pronz 2013-08-06T15:42:30 < Lt_Lemming> Game of Thrones in actual 1080p 2013-08-06T15:42:52 < Lt_Lemming> not horrendously downrated and re-encoded 1080i 2013-08-06T15:43:51 <+Steffanx> For me 720p is still good enough. 2013-08-06T15:44:22 < Lt_Lemming> 1080p projector... 100" screen 2013-08-06T15:44:27 < Lt_Lemming> it makes a difference 2013-08-06T15:44:45 < Laurenceb> wtf 2013-08-06T15:44:47 <+Steffanx> Yeah, perhaps. 2013-08-06T15:44:50 < Laurenceb> you watch that shit 2013-08-06T15:45:00 < Lt_Lemming> Laurenceb, among other things 2013-08-06T15:45:01 < Laurenceb> wtf man 2013-08-06T15:45:06 < Laurenceb> get a life 2013-08-06T15:45:09 <+Steffanx> I watch that 'shit' as well. 2013-08-06T15:45:14 < Laurenceb> omfg 2013-08-06T15:45:16 < Lt_Lemming> got one, quite happy with it thank you very much 2013-08-06T15:45:23 <+Steffanx> There is only one here that watches REAL shit. 2013-08-06T15:45:41 <+Steffanx> and also posts links to it in ##stm32. 2013-08-06T15:45:48 <+Steffanx> I wont say who. 2013-08-06T15:47:03 <+Steffanx> are you schizophrenic Laurenceb? 2013-08-06T15:47:15 <+Steffanx> get a life <= that is not something Laurenceb says. 2013-08-06T15:48:34 < Laurenceb> trolling is better than watching tv 2013-08-06T15:49:00 <+Steffanx> In your case it's not trolling. Just trying to be funny. 2013-08-06T15:49:10 < Lt_Lemming> I tend to watch it as background noise when I am doing other things 2013-08-06T15:52:07 < Tectu> karlp, is there some info page about minimum requirements? (memory / clock) 2013-08-06T15:55:12 <+Steffanx> I've never seen a page with the 'requirements', but perhaps i just missed that page. 2013-08-06T15:55:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T15:56:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-06T15:56:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-06T15:56:54 <+Steffanx> but the requirements seem to be pretty low.. when you consider it runs at the 102CB 2013-08-06T16:08:29 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T16:14:46 -!- rlc [63ed50cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.237.80.207] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T16:16:11 < rlc> Should the uart output be inverted before driving the rs232 converter? 2013-08-06T16:18:20 < dongs> no 2013-08-06T16:26:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-06T16:31:08 < Tectu> http://abload.de/img/img_00000247serj3.jpg 2013-08-06T16:31:12 < Tectu> http://abload.de/img/img_00000245kmqt2.jpg 2013-08-06T16:31:53 < dongs> is that OSP coating 2013-08-06T16:32:12 < Tectu> OSP? 2013-08-06T16:32:53 < zyp> what's U49 supposed to be? 2013-08-06T16:32:57 < Tectu> SRAM 2013-08-06T16:33:01 < dongs> like this matte white shit. 2013-08-06T16:33:23 < Tectu> no, that's just normal silkscreen 2013-08-06T16:33:28 < dongs> ... 2013-08-06T16:33:29 < zyp> no, SRAM would be U24 2013-08-06T16:33:31 < dongs> on the pads, christ 2013-08-06T16:33:42 < dongs> u49 sounds like some bullshit usb>uartcrap 2013-08-06T16:33:51 <+Steffanx> bmp ? 2013-08-06T16:33:52 < dongs> FTfailsomething232 2013-08-06T16:33:57 < dongs> haha or that. 2013-08-06T16:34:23 < zyp> oh, right 2013-08-06T16:34:30 < Tectu> that will be a BMP, yes 2013-08-06T16:34:36 < Tectu> hence two USB ports 2013-08-06T16:34:54 < Tectu> dongs, that's just regular finish, I assume HASL? 2013-08-06T16:35:08 < rlc> But why does the MAX2323 invert the signal? 2013-08-06T16:35:14 < Tectu> dongs, but yes, it looks hinda weird, I have never seen it like that too. But I did no special option. Just what eurocircuit gave me 2013-08-06T16:35:25 < dongs> it sure looks like osp to me 2013-08-06T16:35:28 < dongs> take a closer pic 2013-08-06T16:35:32 < dongs> hasl doesnt look like that 2013-08-06T16:35:46 < Tectu> HASL is shiny, right? 2013-08-06T16:35:55 < dongs> yeah. 2013-08-06T16:36:43 < Tectu> I'll do a closer picture tomorrow 2013-08-06T16:36:54 < Tectu> would OSP be a bad thing? 2013-08-06T16:37:46 < dongs> no its cool 2013-08-06T16:38:18 < dongs> Organic Solder Preservative (OSP) 2013-08-06T16:38:18 < Tectu> what's that exactly? 2013-08-06T16:38:18 < dongs> OSP is designed to produce a thin, uniform, protective layer on the copper surface of the PCB's. This coating protects the circuitry from oxidisation during storage and assembly operations. It has been around for quite a while but is only recently gaining popularity with the search for lead free techniques and fine pitch solutions. For PCB manufacturers it's very simple and easy to control. For PCA assembly, it has superior capabilities over tradi 2013-08-06T16:38:22 < Tectu> nice. 2013-08-06T16:38:26 < dongs> this trash 2013-08-06T16:38:32 < dongs> just dont touch it with fat fingers 2013-08-06T16:39:10 < Tectu> I see 2013-08-06T16:39:58 <+Steffanx> Why you removed the meta data Tectu? Now i can't see what kind of fancyphone you used. 2013-08-06T16:40:25 < Tectu> Steffanx, because my fancy phone doesn't add meta data at all ;) 2013-08-06T16:40:30 < Tectu> Thanks RIM. 2013-08-06T16:40:55 < zyp> isn't OSP more reddish? 2013-08-06T16:41:15 < dongs> no 2013-08-06T16:41:18 < dongs> its silevery 2013-08-06T16:41:19 < dongs> silvery. 2013-08-06T16:41:21 < dongs> at least ones ive seen 2013-08-06T16:42:32 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T16:42:53 < zyp> I bet it's just oxidized solder 2013-08-06T16:43:23 < Tectu> well, it looks very silvery, sometimes white 2013-08-06T16:43:24 < zyp> hmm, no, pads are different color 2013-08-06T16:44:33 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-06T16:46:39 < Laurenceb> looks like I.S. to me 2013-08-06T16:47:11 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T16:47:22 < Tectu> I.S.? 2013-08-06T16:48:04 < Laurenceb> http://www.pcbtrain.co.uk/schematic/immersion-silver-pcb-finish/ 2013-08-06T16:48:14 <+Steffanx> Yes, Laurenceb likes to use all kinds of abbreviations too look smart :P 2013-08-06T16:49:18 < Tectu> I like trains 2013-08-06T16:49:27 < Laurenceb> exuals 2013-08-06T16:50:12 <+Steffanx> -o 2013-08-06T16:50:23 < dongs> pcb mantrain 2013-08-06T16:50:45 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-08-06T16:50:54 <+Steffanx> dongs first. 2013-08-06T16:51:12 < Laurenceb> so he only gets fucked? 2013-08-06T16:51:34 <+Steffanx> Think whatever you like Laurenceb. 2013-08-06T16:55:30 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-06T16:56:05 < Tectu> Laurenceb, please watch your words... 2013-08-06T16:59:29 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Tectu] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T16:59:47 < dongs> since hwen did this clown get ops 2013-08-06T16:59:50 < Laurenceb> wtf 2013-08-06T16:59:55 < Laurenceb> Tectu is ops O_o 2013-08-06T17:02:23 <@Tectu> Do you have to worry anything? 2013-08-06T17:02:42 < Laurenceb> i might be forced to use µGFX 2013-08-06T17:02:56 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T17:03:10 <@Tectu> are you talking about the channel or the software now? 2013-08-06T17:05:11 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-101-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T17:05:21 < Gargantuasauce> i drove past a samsung fab today 2013-08-06T17:05:29 < Gargantuasauce> the building is probably about as large as my university's campus 2013-08-06T17:05:46 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T17:05:57 <+Steffanx> Oh, you're still in korea? 2013-08-06T17:06:10 < Gargantuasauce> yeah, till saturday 2013-08-06T17:07:02 < zyp> in suwon? 2013-08-06T17:07:35 <@Tectu> http://www.michaelhleonard.com/how-to-design-the-perfect-pcb-part2/ 2013-08-06T17:07:43 < Gargantuasauce> close, yongin 2013-08-06T17:07:52 <@Tectu> dongs, why do japanese tend to do that anime thing all over their PCBs? 2013-08-06T17:08:21 < zyp> I'm not very familiar with korean geography, I just heard samsung had lots of stuff in suwon 2013-08-06T17:08:45 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Tectu] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T17:08:54 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Tectu] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T17:10:20 < dongs> Tectu: thats not a jap 2013-08-06T17:10:24 < dongs> thats some weaboo faggot. 2013-08-06T17:10:32 <@Tectu> weaboo? 2013-08-06T17:10:59 < dongs> can you remove @ from next to you. 2013-08-06T17:11:02 < dongs> its annoying as fuck when youre chatting 2013-08-06T17:11:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T17:11:16 < dongs> @T looks mega dumb together 2013-08-06T17:11:29 < zyp> @d would look way better 2013-08-06T17:11:42 < dongs> yes, but thats besides the point 2013-08-06T17:11:46 < dongs> it looks like youre twittering 2013-08-06T17:11:51 < zyp> hah 2013-08-06T17:12:18 < zyp> RT @dongs: it looks like youre twittering 2013-08-06T17:12:25 < dongs> right 2013-08-06T17:16:03 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o dongs] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T17:17:02 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o dongs] by dongs 2013-08-06T17:17:02 < dongs> that just looks gay. 2013-08-06T17:18:14 < Laurenceb> wtf 2013-08-06T17:18:39 < Laurenceb> dongs is ops OOO_oooo 2013-08-06T17:18:52 < Laurenceb> we're doomed 2013-08-06T17:18:52 < dongs> for a whole 30 seconds surte 2013-08-06T17:19:35 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Laurenceb] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T17:19:52 <@Laurenceb> muhahaha 2013-08-06T17:19:56 -!- dongs was kicked from ##stm32 by Laurenceb [dongs] 2013-08-06T17:20:04 -!- dongs [~dongs@l212168.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T17:20:07 < dongs> what a fucking faggot. 2013-08-06T17:20:08 <@Laurenceb> awww 2013-08-06T17:20:49 <@Tectu> guys, please. 2013-08-06T17:21:06 <@Laurenceb> ops for _everyone_ 2013-08-06T17:22:05 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-06T17:22:06 < dongs> just dont op any soviets 2013-08-06T17:22:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T17:24:10 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-088-068-017-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-06T17:25:02 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-101-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-06T17:28:44 < Lt_Lemming> soo that torrent I was bitching about earlier... is now doing 1.5KB/s >_< 2013-08-06T17:29:00 < zyp> ok 2013-08-06T17:29:24 < Lt_Lemming> sigh, times like this I wish there WAS a decent legal option 2013-08-06T17:29:28 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@78.sub-75-233-67.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T17:30:20 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-06T17:33:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-06T18:04:32 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T18:10:48 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T18:10:54 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-06T18:11:51 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T18:23:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-06T18:30:20 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@78.sub-75-233-67.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-06T18:50:10 < rlc> Has anyone tried the uart on the stm32? I cannot seem to get it output correctly. 2013-08-06T18:50:21 < dongs> lol, who hasnt 2013-08-06T18:51:23 < rlc> I'm not sure if my output is inverted or has the wrong bit order, but I'm using the demo from the standard pheripheral library 2013-08-06T18:53:11 < karlp> are you getting output at all? 2013-08-06T18:53:49 < rlc> I do 2013-08-06T18:54:06 < rlc> But not the right ASCII code 2013-08-06T18:54:11 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-06T18:54:16 < dongs> wrong baudrate/clock? 2013-08-06T18:54:59 < rlc> Not sure. I'm using the library and set the baudrate the same as for the PC 2013-08-06T18:55:11 < dongs> right but is your clock what you think it is 2013-08-06T18:55:13 < karlp> are you running the chip at the speed you told the code it was running it? 2013-08-06T18:55:22 < karlp> yeah, what he said :) 2013-08-06T18:55:41 < rlc> Only thing I changed from the demo is the external crystal clock and not sure if that will affect the baudrate 2013-08-06T18:55:51 < dongs> well yes 2013-08-06T18:55:52 < dongs> if you did it wrong 2013-08-06T18:56:53 < rlc> I used the clock configuration excel macro to generate the file for an extrenal clock of 4MHz instead of the default 25MHz 2013-08-06T18:57:13 < rlc> Won't that have have all the settings already to set the correct baud rate? 2013-08-06T18:57:18 < rlc> *file 2013-08-06T18:57:39 < dongs> didyou #define HSE_VALUE to 4000000 or whatnot? 2013-08-06T18:57:44 < dongs> pretty sure stdlib uses HSE_VAL for this 2013-08-06T18:58:55 < dongs> duno if excel thing defines it. i sually just add it to build macros 2013-08-06T19:02:42 < rlc> I just saw the value was defined for 25MHz, just changed it 2013-08-06T19:03:03 < rlc> dongs: That was it! Thanks 2013-08-06T19:04:20 < dongs> dongs4prez 2013-08-06T19:16:54 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.248.21] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T19:16:57 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T19:17:12 -!- rlc [63ed50cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.237.80.207] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-06T19:21:08 < dongs> damn leecher 2013-08-06T19:21:12 < dongs> join + get help + leave 2013-08-06T19:21:16 < dongs> he can fuck himself nex time 2013-08-06T19:22:02 <@Laurenceb> rageeeee 2013-08-06T19:22:15 <@Laurenceb> \mu in postscript is \alpha in pdf 2013-08-06T19:22:16 <@Laurenceb> wtf 2013-08-06T19:25:12 <+Steffanx> dongs forget to that guy joined hours ago. 2013-08-06T19:25:18 <+Steffanx> *to see 2013-08-06T19:26:42 < karlp> rlc's actually been here on and off for months iirc, 2013-08-06T19:26:47 < karlp> but I agree with the sentiment. 2013-08-06T19:28:39 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Laurenceb] by ChanServ 2013-08-06T19:29:39 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-08-06T19:36:19 < Gargantuasauce> yeah someone is a complete freeloader if they don't at least contribute a snide comment every couple days 2013-08-06T19:36:58 <+Steffanx> Don't forget the links to crap 2013-08-06T19:41:01 < BrainDamage> we're all in for the lulz anyway 2013-08-06T19:41:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.28.119] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T19:51:50 <+Steffanx> Except me BrainDamage 2013-08-06T19:52:50 < BrainDamage> right, you're in for jpa- 2013-08-06T19:54:05 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR_] 2013-08-06T19:54:30 <+Steffanx> Together with you YEAH. 2013-08-06T19:54:37 <+Steffanx> When do you have time BrainDamage? 2013-08-06T19:55:51 < Lt_Lemming> anyone know a good low part count PoE controller with Aux supply input? 2013-08-06T19:57:29 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T19:57:45 < karlp> aux _and_ poe? what is that meant to do? 2013-08-06T19:59:23 < qyx_> Lt_Lemming: Lt_Lemming try tps2378 2013-08-06T19:59:48 < qyx_> i did one design with it but it was never manufactured 2013-08-06T19:59:55 < Lt_Lemming> karlp, it allows it to be powered via ethernet, but also via an auxillary input if PoE isn't available 2013-08-06T20:00:01 < qyx_> so actually i don't know if it works :S 2013-08-06T20:00:07 < Lt_Lemming> qyx, got a schecmatic or board layout? 2013-08-06T20:00:18 < Lt_Lemming> I was looking at using a module... but they are $15 each.... 2013-08-06T20:00:26 < qyx_> theres one on the datasheet 2013-08-06T20:00:27 < qyx_> reference design 2013-08-06T20:00:46 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T20:01:16 < qyx_> this one is about $4 2013-08-06T20:01:49 < qyx_> but you also need isolated converter to comply with 802.3af/at 2013-08-06T20:02:29 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-06T20:04:33 < gxti> hypothetically speaking, if you have an isolated device like a wireless access point, what does the isolation really buy you? 2013-08-06T20:05:07 < qyx_> probably nothing 2013-08-06T20:05:45 < qyx_> i selected lt3748 that time, it does feedback from primary side withou aux winding 2013-08-06T20:05:48 < qyx_> windongs 2013-08-06T20:06:33 < gxti> doing real poe sometime would be fun, i have some transformers i bought for a different project that would be good 2013-08-06T20:07:41 < gxti> don't have any poe jacks though, would have to shop around a bit but i suspect using discrete magnetics would be smarter 2013-08-06T20:07:55 < Lt_Lemming> smarter yes, but a lot bigger 2013-08-06T20:08:05 < Lt_Lemming> the board I am trying to work it on to is 40 x 65 mm 2013-08-06T20:12:19 < qyx_> considering the height of rj45 connector, couldn't you stack two boards on top? 2013-08-06T20:12:42 < Lt_Lemming> I'd prefer not too 2013-08-06T20:12:58 < gxti> by smarter i didn't mean everybody should, just that i hate not being able to buy the same magjacks twice 2013-08-06T20:14:18 < gxti> i did find one footprint for non-poe magjacks that's pretty easy to source from digikey or aliexpress 2013-08-06T20:14:23 < Lt_Lemming> the whole reason for not using a module is to reduce cost, using another board would be probably the same cost as a module once I added everything I need. 2013-08-06T20:14:23 < gxti> just have to do the research for the poe ones 2013-08-06T20:14:59 < gxti> the thing about modules is if you get a resonable price on them it's hard to beat unless you're making a large qty 2013-08-06T20:15:15 < Lt_Lemming> planning to make a large quantity :-P 2013-08-06T20:16:31 < qyx_> do you need compliant device? just use non isolated buck converter 2013-08-06T20:16:44 < qyx_> you probably won't fit flyback transformer here 2013-08-06T20:16:56 < gxti> just stack it on top of your mcu, works great /s 2013-08-06T20:17:00 < Lt_Lemming> lol 2013-08-06T20:17:03 < Lt_Lemming> fuck that 2013-08-06T20:17:14 < Lt_Lemming> massive noise source right over the MCU, that's asking for trouble 2013-08-06T20:17:41 < gxti> that's exactly what i did with one board that had a buck module. no analog stuff so it's probably fine :P 2013-08-06T20:23:19 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-06T20:25:06 < qyx_> Lt_Lemming: shouldn't be a problem if it is well designed 2013-08-06T20:33:22 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-06T20:47:54 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T20:48:23 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-06T21:32:21 < qyx_> i am really surprised, the quality of these seeed's pcbs is far better than i expected 2013-08-06T21:33:41 <+Steffanx> "The drills are shit, the silkscreen is shit" 2013-08-06T21:33:43 <+Steffanx> ? 2013-08-06T21:34:06 < qyx_> silkscreen is a bit worse than at my local supplier 2013-08-06T21:34:08 < qyx_> drills are ok 2013-08-06T21:35:29 <+Steffanx> ok as in 'perfectly' centered? 2013-08-06T21:37:50 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T21:39:04 < Lt_Lemming> time for a 4:30am snack 2013-08-06T21:39:13 < Lt_Lemming> coffee and cup'a'noodles :-P 2013-08-06T21:42:03 < qyx_> Steffanx: probably the word "perfectly" is not suitable here, they are just ok 2013-08-06T21:42:53 < Lt_Lemming> you should check out hackvana qyx_ 2013-08-06T21:43:12 <+Steffanx> doesn't that guy use the same manufacturer(s) ? 2013-08-06T21:43:24 <+Steffanx> that guy = capnkernel of course 2013-08-06T21:44:15 < Lt_Lemming> Steffanx, afaik no 2013-08-06T21:45:31 < Lt_Lemming> and wow that was some spicy noodles 2013-08-06T21:45:37 < Lt_Lemming> lips are burning now 2013-08-06T21:48:08 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/r9gXddI.jpg 2013-08-06T21:48:24 < qyx_> ok, the silkscreen is not-so-good-looking 2013-08-06T21:48:29 < Lt_Lemming> yeah 2013-08-06T21:48:42 < Lt_Lemming> the silkscreen on my hackvana boards is far better than that 2013-08-06T21:49:24 < Laurenceb_> wazzat? 2013-08-06T21:49:27 < Laurenceb_> seeed? 2013-08-06T21:49:35 < qyx_> it is only 0.8mm high 2013-08-06T21:49:39 < qyx_> yep, seeed 2013-08-06T21:49:52 < Lt_Lemming> http://i.imgur.com/rNmFA.jpg <--- from hackvana 2013-08-06T21:50:12 < Lt_Lemming> the open hardware logo is 5 x 5 mm if memory serves 2013-08-06T21:50:24 < Laurenceb_> seeed is proper silkscreen 2013-08-06T21:51:52 < Laurenceb_> as in a UV sensitized screen and ink transfer 2013-08-06T21:52:45 < qyx_> that board was on the margin of their capabilities so i expected much worse result 2013-08-06T21:53:42 < Laurenceb_> some use a UV cured resin coating aiui 2013-08-06T21:53:45 < Laurenceb_> for silkscreen 2013-08-06T21:53:54 < Laurenceb_> gives better results and cheaper for prototypes 2013-08-06T21:54:07 < Laurenceb_> actual silkscreen is good for production as its dead cheap 2013-08-06T21:55:15 < Lt_Lemming> actual silkscreen is good for production as it's also the fastest method of doing it 2013-08-06T21:55:56 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-06T21:56:41 < arnonh> [21:52] that board was on the margin of their capabilities so i expected much worse result 2013-08-06T21:56:41 < arnonh> [21:53] some use a UV cured resin coating aiui 2013-08-06T21:56:49 < arnonh> sorry 2013-08-06T21:57:52 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.16] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T21:58:49 -!- zeropointo [32c56001@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.197.96.1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T22:09:11 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-06T22:14:50 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T22:17:39 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-06T22:20:03 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-06T22:20:18 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T22:29:42 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@78.sub-75-233-67.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T22:30:21 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-06T22:31:19 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T23:43:38 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-06T23:44:09 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 2013-08-06T23:50:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.28.119] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Day changed Wed Aug 07 2013 2013-08-07T00:02:21 -!- zeropointo [32c56001@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.197.96.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-07T00:13:48 -!- zetaz [~arno@190.168.87.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T00:25:44 -!- zetaz [~arno@190.168.87.79.rev.sfr.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-07T00:37:43 < gxti> ponoko faceplates turned out ok: http://partiallystapled.com/~gxti/circuits/2013/08/06-faceplates.jpg 2013-08-07T00:38:43 < gxti> the text really needs to be painted to be any good though 2013-08-07T00:38:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-07T00:40:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T00:40:34 <+Steffanx> No photo from that side, the side with the text gxti? 2013-08-07T00:40:37 <+Steffanx> Nice photos btw :) 2013-08-07T00:41:42 <+Steffanx> Have no better screws for the case gxti? 2013-08-07T00:41:50 < gxti> also on my todo list 2013-08-07T00:44:14 < zyp> screws looks good enough, it's just the holes that are not countersunk 2013-08-07T00:45:02 < gxti> laser cutters aren't very good at countersinking 2013-08-07T00:45:19 < gxti> and i'm not gonna do it myself (nor do i have the equipment to), so it's easier to just get new screws 2013-08-07T00:46:11 < zyp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0DMiIT3Wn8 <- this laser cutter looks pretty good at countersinking :p 2013-08-07T00:46:37 <+Steffanx> hmpf 2013-08-07T00:48:35 < gxti> impressive... although i'm not sure *why* 2013-08-07T00:49:21 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-07T00:57:17 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T01:03:57 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy3g4-D1ZeA 2013-08-07T01:05:35 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@78.sub-75-233-67.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-07T01:05:41 <+Steffanx> fap fap. 2013-08-07T01:05:46 <+Steffanx> oh, no not really. 2013-08-07T01:07:22 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-07T01:09:40 < gxti> how to break into Laurenceb_'s porn vault 2013-08-07T01:15:06 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-07T01:15:28 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T01:23:34 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-07T01:24:55 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-07T01:54:25 < qyx_> gxti: place the connectors more behind the edges of the pcb 2013-08-07T01:56:04 < qyx_> but nice, text is also engraved using laser cutter? 2013-08-07T01:59:38 < gxti> i originally placed the connectors to be flush with the front of a 1.5mm panel, but the plastic is much thicker 2013-08-07T01:59:43 < gxti> that's why they're recessed so much 2013-08-07T02:00:13 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T02:03:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-07T02:04:45 < qyx_> ah 2013-08-07T02:11:03 < gxti> so far the most annoying defect is that the flatted side of the SMA hole is a little too big so it can spin freely if torqued 2013-08-07T02:24:22 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T02:27:23 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-07T02:48:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T02:48:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-07T02:48:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T03:01:17 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-07T03:03:43 < englishman> hay guys 2013-08-07T03:03:56 < englishman> i've heard that stm32f1 can run at 80MHz 2013-08-07T03:04:26 < englishman> so, RCC->CFGR |= RCC_CFGR_PLLMULL9 2013-08-07T03:07:36 < englishman> but RM0008 says PLLMUL[3:0] = 10xx is "Reserved" 2013-08-07T03:08:03 < englishman> OK to use RCC_CFGR_PLLMULL10 which sets PLLMUL[3:0] = 1000 right? 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2013-08-07T04:39:37 < dongs> no because its /2 2013-08-07T04:39:44 < dongs> you can only go to 64mhz with hsi anyway 2013-08-07T04:39:49 < upgrdman> k 2013-08-07T04:40:03 < dongs> HSI is 8mhz but it gets halved before going anywhre 2013-08-07T04:40:10 < upgrdman> ah yes. 2013-08-07T04:40:11 < upgrdman> thanks 2013-08-07T04:42:45 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-08-07T04:42:58 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T04:43:32 -!- claude [sbnc@h1682708.stratoserver.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-07T04:43:44 -!- claude [sbnc@h1682708.stratoserver.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T04:44:29 -!- coon [coon@c-base/crew/coon] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-07T04:49:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-07T04:53:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T04:58:00 -!- luke3 [~luke@cnh19514922325.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-07T05:00:27 -!- luke3 [~luke@cnh19514922325.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T05:09:23 < englishman> dongs: reason i asked was PLLMUL[3:0] = 10xx is "Reserved" in RM0008 document but i know you had used it 2013-08-07T05:09:46 < englishman> anything else to change? openlrs32 is mostly stolen baseflight code 2013-08-07T05:12:40 < dongs> never actually looked at pllmul docs. I thought since they went to 16 it would work anywhere. 2013-08-07T05:12:45 < dongs> or else why would they have defines for that hsit 2013-08-07T05:13:15 < englishman> yeah it's got the defines in stdlib so i assume it works. haha. 2013-08-07T05:14:12 < dongs> thats how i roll 2013-08-07T05:14:27 < dongs> tho if youre using system_f1 shit from baseflight I suggest you look at latest crap in svb 2013-08-07T05:14:30 < dongs> svn 2013-08-07T05:14:36 < dongs> but hten agian 2013-08-07T05:14:42 < dongs> you will probly always run from hse 2013-08-07T05:14:44 < dongs> so it doesnt matter. 2013-08-07T05:15:03 < englishman> like r362 "a couple optimizations for dynamic HSE frequency" 2013-08-07T05:15:10 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-07T05:15:16 < dongs> probly useless for your case 2013-08-07T05:15:23 < englishman> i'll check it out 2013-08-07T05:15:38 < englishman> iirc there was another change (to systick?) that you had chatch change 2013-08-07T05:15:52 < dongs> oh right. that was jsut hardcoded crap tho 2013-08-07T05:16:02 < dongs> /72000 or something somewehre 2013-08-07T05:16:05 < dongs> instead of /Sysclk 2013-08-07T05:16:53 < dongs> running at 80 to avoid 433mhz aids? 2013-08-07T05:17:03 < englishman> affirmative 2013-08-07T05:17:18 < englishman> there is a visible peak even on crappy sdr 2013-08-07T05:17:28 < dongs> aye 2013-08-07T05:18:43 < englishman> rx32 tested alright for a few hours in my rc sailboat :) 2013-08-07T05:19:48 < dongs> cool 2013-08-07T05:20:18 < englishman> #define SYSCLK_FREQ_72MHz 72000000 i guess i should dick with that too 2013-08-07T05:20:23 < dongs> no 2013-08-07T05:20:46 < dongs> its not used anywhere, the real one is put into a variable 2013-08-07T05:21:26 < englishman> SystemCoreClock ? 2013-08-07T05:21:32 < englishman> i'll check your baseflight commit 2013-08-07T05:21:33 < dongs> sounds about right 2013-08-07T05:21:35 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-07T05:21:49 < dongs> also i moved SystemInit or whatever is the main function from that file from startup to after main 2013-08-07T05:23:55 < dongs> otherwise that SYstemCoreCLock shit would get clobbered by startup 2013-08-07T05:24:05 < dongs> before it would run from startup asm, before going to _main 2013-08-07T05:24:42 < talsit> i just got delivered the most perfect cable I could have hoped for! 2013-08-07T05:24:57 < englishman> / This is needed because some shit inside Keil startup fucks with SystemCoreClock, 2013-08-07T05:25:03 < dongs> thats old 2013-08-07T05:26:35 < englishman> so you moved from 8 to 12MHz xtal? 2013-08-07T05:31:16 < dongs> well, that, but the fixes apply to both 2013-08-07T05:35:37 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T05:36:30 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T05:53:42 < englishman> ok all seems well in 80MHz land 2013-08-07T05:55:50 < englishman> nice big spike on 480MHz now 2013-08-07T05:55:52 < englishman> :) 2013-08-07T06:06:01 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T06:06:32 < R2COM> if I have some variable defined as uint32_t mem_raddr = 0; inside main() func. 2013-08-07T06:06:42 < R2COM> which is being modified in infinite loop, 2013-08-07T06:07:12 < R2COM> if I pause program in gdb, and look up that variable is it normal for it to show its max value? 2013-08-07T06:07:35 < R2COM> lets say after 5 iterations of infinite loop that variable must have value of 5 2013-08-07T06:07:42 < R2COM> but it shows 65536 2013-08-07T06:08:05 < R2COM> but 65536 is the value which this variable supposed to have once infinite loop isnt continuing anymore due to some external condition 2013-08-07T06:08:41 < zippe> R2COM: unless you have marked it volatile, the compiler is probably not bothering to write it back to memory 2013-08-07T06:08:49 < R2COM> so, my program is working without a problem it does a right thing, but I was just wondering is it normal or not under above mentioned conditions for gdb to show not current realistic variable value, but its final value 2013-08-07T06:09:16 < R2COM> Tectu: is op here? 2013-08-07T06:09:22 < R2COM> wow 2013-08-07T06:09:36 < zippe> The true value may be in a register somewhere, or if you never actually use the value at all, there may actually be nothing anywhere that holds the true value 2013-08-07T06:10:01 < R2COM> no 2013-08-07T06:10:05 < R2COM> true value being used by program 2013-08-07T06:10:13 < R2COM> otherwise it program wouldnt do a correct thing 2013-08-07T06:10:22 < R2COM> so according to its behavior it does get incremented and being used 2013-08-07T06:10:29 < zippe> gdb will often try to disassemble th code to work out where a variable is, but it doesn't always get it right 2013-08-07T06:10:32 < R2COM> its just, gdb shows its "false" or more precise "final" value 2013-08-07T06:10:46 < R2COM> doesnt always get it right? 2013-08-07T06:10:53 < R2COM> hm 2013-08-07T06:10:58 < zippe> It can't always work out, from the assembly, where a variable is 2013-08-07T06:11:06 < zippe> Particularly if the variable is in the middle of being updated 2013-08-07T06:12:02 < zippe> In general, you shouldn't expect to be able to see the value of an automatic variable at higher optimisation levels 2013-08-07T06:12:16 < zippe> If you truly care, mark it 'volatile' 2013-08-07T06:12:25 < zippe> That will force the compiler to update it in memory 2013-08-07T06:12:28 < R2COM> tried just now 2013-08-07T06:12:29 < R2COM> same thing 2013-08-07T06:12:38 < zippe> Then your code is probably wrong 2013-08-07T06:14:24 < zippe> Or you're not understanding something; hard to tell without more info 2013-08-07T06:14:30 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-07T06:24:06 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-07T06:25:37 < R2COM> ok I just looked at it in a wrong way 2013-08-07T06:25:43 < R2COM> its supposed to have that value.. 2013-08-07T06:25:54 < R2COM> so. it works both with and without volatile. 2013-08-07T06:25:59 < R2COM> and inside infinite loop 2013-08-07T06:28:49 < R2COM> well, so far this gdb+BMP works pretty nice on windows 7 2013-08-07T06:29:05 < R2COM> with occasional failures... errors like "too big packet" etc 2013-08-07T06:29:20 < R2COM> but that happens like 1/60 times or so 2013-08-07T06:37:38 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-07T06:37:46 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T06:46:13 -!- coon [coon@gateway/shell/c-base/x-pdjjzpdksbmqword] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T06:48:19 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/AA8FyFu.jpg ... fine work there 2013-08-07T06:51:10 < R2COM> maybe some hottie in that window lifted shirt and showed him boobs 2013-08-07T06:54:27 < upgrdman> lo 2013-08-07T06:54:28 < upgrdman> l 2013-08-07T06:57:41 < R2COM> gym time 2013-08-07T07:09:41 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-07T07:29:01 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-3-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T07:39:41 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-07T07:43:45 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-3-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-07T07:52:06 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T07:53:48 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.34.58] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T07:53:51 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-07T07:54:02 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T07:54:27 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@68.110.154.15] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-07T07:57:30 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.248.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T08:09:48 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T08:19:33 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-07T08:21:15 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T08:32:13 -!- izzy_ [~izzy84075@50.46.28.160] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T08:33:28 -!- izzy84075 [~izzy84075@50.46.28.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-07T08:39:24 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.34.58] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-07T09:26:31 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T09:33:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T09:38:00 <@Tectu> dongs, this would be HASL, I guess? 2013-08-07T09:38:01 <@Tectu> http://i.imgur.com/yC9CnMr.jpg 2013-08-07T09:42:27 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-188-107-193-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T09:42:30 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-07T09:45:08 < R2COM> Tectu: yes. it does look like HASL 2013-08-07T09:46:10 <@Tectu> R2COM, we were wondering if this was OSP: http://abload.de/img/img_00000247serj3.jpg 2013-08-07T09:46:18 <@Tectu> (or OPS? I don't remember, dongs came up with it) 2013-08-07T09:46:34 < R2COM> Omercon or something 2013-08-07T09:46:51 <@Tectu> it's perfectly flatt, not shiny at all and silvery but more white 2013-08-07T09:47:30 < R2COM> that board you posted doesnt show any component which would *need* such feature ;) 2013-08-07T09:48:37 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T09:48:46 <@Tectu> I know, I wasn't the guy who ordered it too ;) 2013-08-07T09:48:51 < R2COM> so my FTDI-SPI dongle I assembled reads 32MB for like, 25 secs 2013-08-07T09:48:59 < R2COM> sounds kinda ok 2013-08-07T09:49:05 < R2COM> given that SCK speed is only 15MHz 2013-08-07T09:49:27 < R2COM> it maybe takes more actually than 25... but around that.. not much more 2013-08-07T09:50:45 < R2COM> I used FTDI's official drivers for win7 + their C# DLL/XML wrappers and my custom App 2013-08-07T09:50:49 -!- Inteliada [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-07T09:50:55 < R2COM> I seen people complaining about FTDI stuff 2013-08-07T09:51:36 < R2COM> but most of them used like libusb or some custom driver on Linux trash... maybe that was the reason 2013-08-07T09:51:43 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-07T09:52:11 <@Tectu> I seen people complaining about FTDI stuff 2013-08-07T09:52:16 <@Tectu> FTfailsomething232 2013-08-07T09:52:31 < R2COM> hm im not using 232 stuff 2013-08-07T09:52:39 < R2COM> I'm using MPSSE/SPI 2013-08-07T09:52:43 <@Tectu> ooh 2013-08-07T09:52:53 <@Tectu> I was searching for an USB-SPI bridge some while ago 2013-08-07T09:53:01 <@Tectu> I came across something, I think it was FTDI too 2013-08-07T09:53:01 < R2COM> I did pretty nice one 2013-08-07T09:53:12 <@Tectu> but it was something that only worked with delphin or so 2013-08-07T09:53:15 <@Tectu> and win xp only 2013-08-07T09:53:28 < R2COM> what 2013-08-07T09:53:30 < R2COM> wtf is delphin 2013-08-07T09:53:59 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/vrvL5OS.jpg 2013-08-07T09:54:02 < R2COM> here is mine 2013-08-07T09:54:11 < R2COM> I use that type of connector with most of my boards 2013-08-07T09:54:20 < R2COM> and using a Ribbon cable with ~100Ohm impedance 2013-08-07T09:54:29 < R2COM> I matched impedance too 2013-08-07T09:54:34 <@Tectu> delphi, the language, not delphin, the sea thing 2013-08-07T09:54:47 < R2COM> so works pretty nicely. 2013-08-07T09:55:02 < R2COM> I'm using 65KB transfers 2013-08-07T09:55:13 <@Tectu> are there any components on the bottom layer too? 2013-08-07T09:55:23 < R2COM> yeah, filters, decouplers 2013-08-07T09:55:28 <@Tectu> what is the 6-legged thing in the upper right corners? 2013-08-07T09:55:30 <@Tectu> corner* 2013-08-07T09:55:43 < R2COM> that thing is the EEPROM 2013-08-07T09:55:47 < R2COM> which holds configs 2013-08-07T09:55:58 < R2COM> you can hold device string name of the dongle 2013-08-07T09:56:08 < R2COM> and your C# App can identify specifically your FTDI type device 2013-08-07T09:56:16 < R2COM> it holds some other settings too 2013-08-07T09:56:43 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-07T09:56:53 <@Tectu> I see 2013-08-07T09:56:59 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/FPRjiXm.jpg 2013-08-07T09:57:00 <@Tectu> how much does that thing cost at the end? 2013-08-07T09:57:16 <@Tectu> hmm... that solder stop looks so "wobby" 2013-08-07T09:57:21 < R2COM> yes 2013-08-07T09:57:29 < R2COM> because that fab house didnt support oval cutouts 2013-08-07T09:57:36 < R2COM> and i had to make bigger circle 2013-08-07T09:57:44 < R2COM> and put big solder blob for good mechanical integrity 2013-08-07T09:58:02 <@Tectu> heh 2013-08-07T09:58:14 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T09:58:25 <@Tectu> I am always wondering why there are fabs that can only do circle stuff 2013-08-07T09:58:31 <@Tectu> I mean it's a CNC router, no? 2013-08-07T09:58:44 <@Tectu> and when it's a drill, I bet there's still a X-Y carriage 2013-08-07T09:58:57 <@Tectu> so just mount a different drill bit (milling tool) and go, or what am I missing there? 2013-08-07T09:58:59 < R2COM> 15.995$ for BOM 2013-08-07T09:59:14 < R2COM> almost same amount for 3 PCBs 2013-08-07T09:59:22 < R2COM> so ~20$ 2013-08-07T10:00:33 < R2COM> so I'll make 6 of these or so. 2013-08-07T10:01:22 < R2COM> I plan to use it with stm32 boards too with SPI3/1 2013-08-07T10:01:30 < R2COM> or mainly FPGA boards actually 2013-08-07T10:01:39 < R2COM> or boards with customizable RF components 2013-08-07T10:01:59 <@Tectu> hmm 2013-08-07T10:02:01 <@Tectu> I'd be interested 2013-08-07T10:02:08 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T10:02:09 <@Tectu> is this something of your dayjob so you cannot share/sell? 2013-08-07T10:02:09 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T10:02:29 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-07T10:02:43 < R2COM> this is for different stuff and dayjob, but this thing is not a big deal, theres nothing special in it 2013-08-07T10:03:22 <@Tectu> does it only work with windows? 2013-08-07T10:04:00 < R2COM> well, one would need drivers/app if wants to use it on linux etc.. 2013-08-07T10:04:05 < R2COM> for me yes, only windows 2013-08-07T10:04:21 < R2COM> im using C# console App I wrote 2013-08-07T10:04:29 < R2COM> I'll make GUI version later 2013-08-07T10:04:45 <@Tectu> fancy 2013-08-07T10:04:51 < R2COM> have 0 interest in trying to dick around with it on linux. 2013-08-07T10:06:03 <@Tectu> I totally understand 2013-08-07T10:06:06 <@Tectu> it's the same for me and windows 2013-08-07T10:07:29 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-07T10:07:29 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T10:07:31 -!- dfletcher_ is now known as dfletcher 2013-08-07T10:08:03 < R2COM> having windows and working with instrumentation apps on Linux is maybe like having model girlfriend and jacking off 2013-08-07T10:08:57 <@Tectu> lol 2013-08-07T10:09:16 < dongs> yeah thats hasl 2013-08-07T10:12:13 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T10:16:52 < Lt_Lemming> anyone used an RTOS on the STM32F107 2013-08-07T10:16:53 < Lt_Lemming> ? 2013-08-07T10:18:02 <@Tectu> yes 2013-08-07T10:18:14 < Lt_Lemming> easy to get running? 2013-08-07T10:18:28 <@Tectu> totally 2013-08-07T10:18:34 < Lt_Lemming> cool 2013-08-07T10:18:35 <@Tectu> cd /path/to/demo/folder; make 2013-08-07T10:18:42 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-07T10:19:51 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-07T10:20:54 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T10:21:45 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261079956681 2013-08-07T10:21:45 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T10:21:58 < Lt_Lemming> thinking it might be a good option for the ARM based RFID controller I am working on 2013-08-07T10:22:18 < dongs> lol, sounds like chibios 2013-08-07T10:22:56 <@Tectu> Lt_Lemming, http://chibios.org 2013-08-07T10:23:10 < qyx_> lol whats that thing 2013-08-07T10:23:12 <@Tectu> that's what I can recommend - but many people will tell different opinions 2013-08-07T10:23:24 < qyx_> surround amplifier 2013-08-07T10:23:27 <@Tectu> qyx_, looks like USB speaker with tube amp 2013-08-07T10:23:28 < Lt_Lemming> yeah that's the one I have been looking into 2013-08-07T10:23:31 < dongs> chibios has too much hardware abstratcion trash 2013-08-07T10:23:35 < qyx_> "tube" amp 2013-08-07T10:23:44 <@Tectu> Lt_Lemming, you've been in the #chibios channel some while ago ;) 2013-08-07T10:23:45 < dongs> you might not need any of that if you just want a rtos to manage tasks 2013-08-07T10:23:47 < qyx_> or.. yes, "looks like" is the correct phrase 2013-08-07T10:23:52 < Lt_Lemming> indeed I have 2013-08-07T10:24:56 < qyx_> if you don't need hal, just disable modules you don't want 2013-08-07T10:25:47 < Lt_Lemming> dongs, I'm looking at it for a method to make it easier for other people to develop software for the board 2013-08-07T10:25:50 < qyx_> chibios is working ootb on f107 2013-08-07T10:25:57 < qyx_> together with ethernet/lwip 2013-08-07T10:26:10 < dongs> Lt_Lemming: from my expereience, letting "other people" develop code just leads to tarduino 2013-08-07T10:26:53 < Lt_Lemming> dongs, this is a product to be sold 2013-08-07T10:27:19 < dongs> why not make it closed sores 2013-08-07T10:27:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-07T10:27:50 < Lt_Lemming> because that would be contrary to the point of the product 2013-08-07T10:28:38 < qyx_> i hope it's not just another arm development board 2013-08-07T10:28:47 < Lt_Lemming> it's not 2013-08-07T10:34:18 < Lt_Lemming> it would be an ARM based version of http://hsbne.org/blog/2012/03/19/SNARC/ 2013-08-07T10:36:32 < qyx_> uh, there are some security considerations for that 2013-08-07T10:36:40 < Lt_Lemming> such as? 2013-08-07T10:36:48 < R2COM> arent there already similar trash sold on chinastores? whats the specialty about this one? 2013-08-07T10:36:58 < Lt_Lemming> R2COM, not that I have seen 2013-08-07T10:37:15 < qyx_> how do you connect rfid reader? 2013-08-07T10:37:22 < Lt_Lemming> ttl serial 2013-08-07T10:37:46 < dongs> boring.. 2013-08-07T10:37:49 < R2COM> ( it’s Arduino Compatible ! ) <--- definitely a plus 2013-08-07T10:37:52 < dongs> make it USB host 2013-08-07T10:37:53 < Lt_Lemming> diddums 2013-08-07T10:38:01 < Lt_Lemming> dongs, entirely possible 2013-08-07T10:38:11 < Lt_Lemming> but TTL serial RFID readers are CHEEP 2013-08-07T10:38:23 < qyx_> so the device is placed in a secure zone behind the door? 2013-08-07T10:38:27 < Lt_Lemming> yes 2013-08-07T10:38:45 < Lt_Lemming> in fact, in the current installation it's IN the wall 2013-08-07T10:38:46 < qyx_> what about traffic encryption 2013-08-07T10:39:50 < Lt_Lemming> that's why I want to move to an ARM base, other than cheaper overall implementation cost 2013-08-07T10:43:06 < Lt_Lemming> currently it's kinda ever so slightly impossible to do meaningful encryption on the board 2013-08-07T10:46:07 < qyx_> anyway it would be probably hard to fit that on 2 layer 40x65mm 2013-08-07T10:46:24 < Lt_Lemming> why do you say that? 2013-08-07T10:47:37 < qyx_> because o routed some boards with eth&poe and f107 2013-08-07T10:47:49 < Lt_Lemming> not planning on doing PoE 2013-08-07T10:48:06 < qyx_> hm, wasn't that you asking about it? 2013-08-07T10:48:19 < Lt_Lemming> was thinking about it, but if I go this route I won't do both 2013-08-07T10:52:03 < Lt_Lemming> or I might do it freetronics etherten style 2013-08-07T10:52:25 < Lt_Lemming> where it's just a set of headers, and you plug different modules into it for 802.3at or bodge PoE 2013-08-07T10:53:16 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T10:56:05 < qyx_> you have to choose if it should be device usable in common building installations or just dyi thing 2013-08-07T10:56:26 < Lt_Lemming> it's intended for DIY in both small scale and large 2013-08-07T10:56:36 < qyx_> theres no such thing as large scale dyi 2013-08-07T10:56:46 < Lt_Lemming> I beg to differ 2013-08-07T10:56:54 < qyx_> ok :) 2013-08-07T10:57:25 < qyx_> but definitelly use proper terminals, proper casing and avoid pin headers 2013-08-07T10:57:36 < qyx_> better put everything on one baord 2013-08-07T10:57:47 < qyx_> *diy 2013-08-07T10:59:10 -!- DanteA [~X@host-34-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T11:01:40 < Lt_Lemming> planning to put everything on one board as much as possible 2013-08-07T11:01:46 < Lt_Lemming> trying to get the BOM cost down 2013-08-07T11:02:03 < Lt_Lemming> atm it's close to $40 and mostly because of the blasted ethernet module 2013-08-07T11:02:37 < qyx_> you can probably go down to about $25 2013-08-07T11:04:00 < Lt_Lemming> yeah, which considering it's a much more capable board makes a lot more sense 2013-08-07T11:14:53 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T11:21:45 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T11:48:26 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-07T11:48:56 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T11:49:32 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-07T11:54:25 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-07T11:54:38 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T11:59:28 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T12:01:42 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-07T12:01:54 < Posterdati> is it possible to use stlink2 with openocd? 2013-08-07T12:12:59 < karlp> yes. 2013-08-07T12:13:14 < karlp> if you use a 0.7 or newer oocd, it "just works" 2013-08-07T12:17:55 < Posterdati> Open On-Chip Debugger 0.5.0 (2011-08-09-08:45) 2013-08-07T12:21:52 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 2013-08-07T12:29:07 < karlp> yeah, that's archaic, it aint gonna work. 2013-08-07T12:52:21 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T13:17:11 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T13:21:13 <@Tectu> huh... OpenOCD 0.5 might be older than I am 2013-08-07T13:21:25 <@Tectu> 0.7 would be the current stable 2013-08-07T13:39:42 < PaulFertser> In fact the current git HEAD should be no less stable than an official release, as every commit goes through a review phase on Gerrit. 2013-08-07T13:43:35 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-07T13:48:23 < Laurenceb> http://www.b3tards.com/u/037e58b9e054b3c8dd7b/rearwindowgoat.jpg 2013-08-07T13:49:31 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-07T13:51:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T14:38:09 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-07T14:38:18 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T14:38:20 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-07T14:39:33 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T14:39:36 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-07T14:40:03 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T14:40:06 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-07T14:40:33 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@sleipnir.jaeckel.eu] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T14:40:33 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@sleipnir.jaeckel.eu] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-07T14:40:33 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T14:40:39 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-07T14:41:05 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@sleipnir.jaeckel.eu] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T14:41:05 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@sleipnir.jaeckel.eu] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-07T14:41:05 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T14:44:35 -!- stephen_d [stephendwy@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-07T14:44:35 -!- fergusnoble [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-07T14:45:50 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T14:49:08 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T15:09:10 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-07T15:19:33 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T15:19:36 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-07T15:21:06 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.170] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T15:21:23 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TWeJsaCiGQ0 2013-08-07T15:32:40 <+Steffanx> wonderful Laurenceb. 2013-08-07T15:42:48 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23601984 2013-08-07T15:44:14 < Gargantuasauce> There's no other way to prove you know exactly what you're talking about, without certification. 2013-08-07T15:54:43 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-07T16:05:08 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T16:28:05 <@Tectu> hmm... what configuration is required when compiling the BMP firmware? 2013-08-07T16:31:08 < Laurenceb> face down ass up 2013-08-07T16:37:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T16:38:33 <+Steffanx> What do you mean Tectu? 2013-08-07T16:39:17 <@Tectu> Steffanx, well, I flash the MCU with the BMP firmware, then "run" it, and it immediately stops running 2013-08-07T16:39:17 <@Tectu> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. 2013-08-07T16:39:17 <@Tectu> 0x2000003a in ?? () 2013-08-07T16:39:29 <@Tectu> I don't even receive the breakpoint I set directly in main 2013-08-07T16:41:10 <+Steffanx> Selected the right platform, correct linker stuff etc.? 2013-08-07T16:41:11 <@Tectu> sorry, I meant this one: 2013-08-07T16:41:12 <@Tectu> 0x2000003a in ?? () 2013-08-07T16:41:47 <@Tectu> well, I do hard finding docs showing what I have to do 2013-08-07T16:41:52 <@Tectu> like clock, target etc 2013-08-07T16:42:16 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-07T16:43:16 < zyp> Tectu, did you flash the bootloader? 2013-08-07T16:43:26 <+Steffanx> That's what i found out, just when i tried to build the fw 2013-08-07T16:43:29 <+Steffanx> it's really DIY. 2013-08-07T16:43:48 <@Tectu> zyp, no, I directly flashed the blackmagic (.elf) after doing make 2013-08-07T16:43:58 < zyp> Tectu, onto a blank unit? 2013-08-07T16:44:14 <@Tectu> zyp, yes. It didn't seem to be clear out of documentation if I need the bootloader only when I don't have an SWD or not 2013-08-07T16:44:22 < zyp> you do 2013-08-07T16:44:22 <@Tectu> https://github.com/gsmcmullin/blackmagic/blob/master/HACKING#L31 2013-08-07T16:44:34 < zyp> the bootloader always executes first, and then jumps to the main application 2013-08-07T16:44:39 <@Tectu> aaah 2013-08-07T16:44:44 < zyp> so if you don't have the bootloader, nothing would execute 2013-08-07T16:44:56 <@Tectu> so I cannot just flash the blackmagic elf? 2013-08-07T16:45:01 < zyp> no. 2013-08-07T16:45:10 <@Tectu> first the blackmagic_dfu? 2013-08-07T16:45:13 < zyp> yep 2013-08-07T16:45:28 <@Tectu> and then I use the script to flash the blackmagic.bin? 2013-08-07T16:45:45 < zyp> when I assembled BMP2s, I only flashed the bootloader over swd, then used the bootloader to flash the application 2013-08-07T16:45:45 <+Steffanx> yes 2013-08-07T16:45:48 < zyp> so yeah 2013-08-07T16:46:07 <@Tectu> I see 2013-08-07T16:46:09 <@Tectu> thanks 2013-08-07T16:46:18 <@Tectu> but is it just me or is that documentation a bit unclear on that? 2013-08-07T16:46:24 < zyp> just you 2013-08-07T16:46:24 <+Steffanx> it's unclear 2013-08-07T16:46:33 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-07T16:46:53 <@Tectu> zyp, yet, where do I do the configuration of my BMP MCU and the clock etc? 2013-08-07T16:46:57 <@Tectu> and pin setup... 2013-08-07T16:47:29 < zyp> dunno, BMP2 is using standard BMPM pins, so I just flashed it with the default build 2013-08-07T16:47:47 <+Steffanx> most seems to be in /scr/platforms/xxx/platform.h Tectu 2013-08-07T16:48:31 <+Steffanx> and .c 2013-08-07T16:48:43 <@Tectu> well, I cannot run the _build either 2013-08-07T16:48:46 <@Tectu> the _dfu, I mean 2013-08-07T16:48:51 <@Tectu> it could by my crystal 2013-08-07T16:48:55 <@Tectu> but that's not sure 2013-08-07T16:49:32 <+Steffanx> You didn't use 8mhz? 2013-08-07T16:50:05 <+Steffanx> As that's why it seems to use by default 2013-08-07T16:50:10 <@Tectu> I do, but I don't have the appropriate caps for that crystal 2013-08-07T16:50:18 <+Steffanx> Ah. 2013-08-07T16:50:45 < zyp> then use nonappropriate caps? you're not doing RF so you'll probably be fine :p 2013-08-07T16:51:19 <@Tectu> you know, the 'probably' is the issue here :D 2013-08-07T16:51:24 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-08-07T16:52:11 <+Steffanx> A few pf shouldn't matter that much .. 2013-08-07T16:53:36 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T16:53:40 <@Tectu> well, I have to invastigate further tomorrow 2013-08-07T16:53:44 <@Tectu> thanks for your help, guys 2013-08-07T16:53:45 <@Tectu> cu 2013-08-07T16:53:59 <+Steffanx> What uc did you use btw Tectu? 2013-08-07T16:54:00 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T16:54:16 <@Tectu> Steffanx, STM32F103C8T6 2013-08-07T16:54:18 <+Steffanx> Not something totally different than the 'real' one? 2013-08-07T16:54:43 <@Tectu> I don't think so, no 2013-08-07T16:57:25 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-07T16:57:58 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T16:58:09 <@Tectu> cu folks, thanks for the help 2013-08-07T17:07:39 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T17:21:21 < emeb_mac> amazing how much drama there seems to be just getting BMP to work. 2013-08-07T17:22:40 <+Steffanx> At least the documentation is just as amazing. 2013-08-07T17:25:38 < karlp> could have just used stlink.... ;) 2013-08-07T17:25:50 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-07T17:26:27 < emeb_mac> iirc he's integrating the debugger onto his board. st-link firmware is a bit harder to handle what with all the encryption & stuff, no? 2013-08-07T17:28:28 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-07T17:29:21 < karlp> true that. 2013-08-07T17:29:53 < karlp> still not entirely sure why he wanted to put the bmp on the board itself tbh 2013-08-07T17:33:16 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T17:34:34 < Laurenceb> yawnz 2013-08-07T17:34:37 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T17:34:40 * Laurenceb is epically bored 2013-08-07T17:35:06 < Laurenceb> trying to write 100K words on boring shit 2013-08-07T17:35:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T17:40:48 < Laurenceb> strategy: write 1K words/day then piss about 2013-08-07T17:48:47 <+Steffanx> it's ALL you deserve. 2013-08-07T17:50:17 <+Steffanx> No one actually forced you to do it. 2013-08-07T17:50:33 <+Steffanx> Why write a paper no one will ever read Laurenceb? 2013-08-07T17:51:24 <+Steffanx> I mean, its not that fancy thing with LEDs changed the world 2013-08-07T18:08:44 < jpa-> yeah, why not sit at home like Steffanx, doing nothing? 2013-08-07T18:19:14 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-08-07T18:21:08 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1TVlWqfXiN8 2013-08-07T18:21:12 < Laurenceb> calling all trolls 2013-08-07T18:21:50 -!- Inteliada [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T18:29:11 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-07T18:32:54 < Gargantuasauce> is he wearing eyeshadow? 2013-08-07T18:37:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: ^^ a typical happy Microsoft user 2013-08-07T18:49:06 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-188-107-193-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T18:52:27 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T18:53:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-07T19:16:51 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@44.sub-75-233-235.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T19:17:43 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-07T19:25:43 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@44.sub-75-233-235.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-07T19:31:34 <+Steffanx> at least you have no idea what im doing jpa- . Let's keep it that way 2013-08-07T19:31:50 <+Steffanx> (The wrong) people already know enough about me. 2013-08-07T19:32:43 < jpa-> the dutch nsa is after Steffanx 2013-08-07T19:34:19 <+Steffanx> What did i do to you mr jpa-? 2013-08-07T19:34:46 <+Steffanx> You sound a bit .. don't know irritated? 2013-08-07T19:35:19 < jpa-> Steffanx: well it wasn't any nastier than your initial comments to Laurenceb 2013-08-07T19:35:53 <+Steffanx> Oh, you do it because i ask for it, just like Laurenceb. Fair enough. :) 2013-08-07T19:36:03 < jpa-> yep :) 2013-08-07T19:36:23 <+Steffanx> You don't have to do it for him btw, he can do it himself 2013-08-07T19:36:56 < Gargantuasauce> i like to think we're past taking each other seriously 2013-08-07T19:37:20 <+Steffanx> For sure. 2013-08-07T19:37:40 <+Steffanx> That's not what ##stm32 is for anymore. 2013-08-07T19:38:14 < Gargantuasauce> i am looking forward to getting my nose back to the grindstone so i can start asking stupid and uninformed questions again 2013-08-07T19:38:51 <+Steffanx> Only ask questions about open source tools. 2013-08-07T19:39:03 <+Steffanx> Otherwise it's no fun 2013-08-07T19:39:20 < Gargantuasauce> what else would I possibly be using< 2013-08-07T19:40:04 <+Steffanx> The great alternative. 2013-08-07T19:40:09 <+Steffanx> s 2013-08-07T19:41:59 <+Steffanx> next time i will give a more friendlier reply jpa- 2013-08-07T19:42:11 <+Steffanx> but i don't know how to do that. No repy isn't friendly either. 2013-08-07T19:42:38 < jpa-> maybe we could start slapping each other instead 2013-08-07T19:42:41 <+Steffanx> At least Laurenceb now knows at least someone read what he said. 2013-08-07T19:43:20 <+Steffanx> And imho it's totally legal to give such a reply, as that's what he expects. 2013-08-07T19:44:46 <+Steffanx> ( atleast 99 of the 100 times he expects that ) 2013-08-07T19:45:19 < Gargantuasauce> expecting the third party replies to be any different is where that falls apart 2013-08-07T19:46:35 <+Steffanx> uh, what falls apart? 2013-08-07T19:46:55 <+Steffanx> You know that's not an option. The slapping. 2013-08-07T19:47:14 * jpa- slappity slaps Steffanx on the butt 2013-08-07T19:47:52 -!- DanteA [~X@host-34-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T19:48:08 <+Steffanx> I was hoping you were NOT referring to that kind of slapping. 2013-08-07T19:48:32 < jpa-> i have to visit you some time 2013-08-07T19:48:49 * jpa- aims to get to the "wrong people" category 2013-08-07T19:49:01 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.43.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T19:49:04 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-07T19:49:37 <+Steffanx> define: "wrong people" category 2013-08-07T19:49:52 < jpa-> 19:31:50 <+Steffanx> (The wrong) people already know enough about me. 2013-08-07T19:50:14 <+Steffanx> Sorry, i have no short term memory. 2013-08-07T19:50:55 < jpa-> it's not a short term, it's 12 characters 2013-08-07T19:51:09 <+Steffanx> You expect me to say things about myself i don't say on the internet? 2013-08-07T19:51:22 <+Steffanx> not going to happen 2013-08-07T19:51:32 < jpa-> :( 2013-08-07T19:53:22 < Gargantuasauce> privacy is so last-century 2013-08-07T19:53:29 < Gargantuasauce> get with the times bro 2013-08-07T19:53:45 <+Steffanx> You know .. i have a twitter account! 2013-08-07T19:54:45 < Gargantuasauce> i made a facebook account like a month ago 2013-08-07T19:54:54 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-07T19:54:59 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T19:54:59 < Gargantuasauce> it's so nice getting to see all the shitty pictures people take of me 2013-08-07T19:55:23 <+Steffanx> I have mirror for that ;P 2013-08-07T19:57:47 <+Steffanx> There is only one picture of me on the web i will ever link you to. 2013-08-07T20:12:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.133.15] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T20:15:43 * emeb searches for Steffanx on twitter... 2013-08-07T20:19:11 <+Steffanx> Easy to find. 2013-08-07T20:26:07 <+Steffanx> Just consider i 'joined' before it was really fancy emeb :) 2013-08-07T20:26:22 <+Steffanx> ( which was somewhere in 2007 ) 2013-08-07T20:30:14 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-07T20:32:32 < zyp> *yawn* 2013-08-07T20:33:02 <+Steffanx> morning 2013-08-07T20:33:10 < zyp> evening 2013-08-07T20:39:39 < emeb> Steffanx: is an early adopter 2013-08-07T20:41:10 <+Steffanx> Sometimes emeb 2013-08-07T20:41:41 <+Steffanx> Back then it was useable as cheap sms-ish service. As you could receive updates for free on your phone. 2013-08-07T20:49:09 -!- BrainDamage1 [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T20:52:30 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-07T21:07:57 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T21:08:33 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-07T21:21:26 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.135] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T21:23:40 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-07T21:24:43 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-07T21:33:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-07T21:34:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.133.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-07T21:44:02 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T21:44:06 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T21:44:28 < Robint91> quick question, can I chain TIM2 and TIM5 on a STM32 to create a 64bit timer 2013-08-07T21:44:41 < zyp> quick answer; maybe 2013-08-07T21:46:37 < Robint91> zyp, I think it seems 2013-08-07T21:47:00 < zippe> Robint91: it's usually easier just to maintain the high parts of the timer value in software 2013-08-07T21:47:17 -!- Inteliada [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-07T21:47:18 < Robint91> zippe, also for timestamping stuff? 2013-08-07T21:47:43 < zippe> https://github.com/PX4/Firmware/blob/master/src/drivers/stm32/drv_hrt.c 2013-08-07T21:48:31 < zippe> Robint91: If your timer period isn't absurdly small, you can just apply the captured timestamp to the software-maintained high word 2013-08-07T21:49:01 < zippe> You need to handle a few wrap cases, but it's not hard 2013-08-07T21:51:11 < Robint91> zippe, I can run the timer on 168MHz? 2013-08-07T21:53:50 < zippe> Yes, but that gives you a timer period of about 400µs, so you had better be prepared to handle an interrupt with < 200µs latencuy 2013-08-07T21:53:53 < zippe> in all cases 2013-08-07T21:54:03 < Robint91> zippe, TIM2 = 32bit 2013-08-07T21:54:15 < zippe> If you can afford to commit a specific timer, then go for it 2013-08-07T21:54:33 < Robint91> zippe, I can commit the two 32bit timers in the ST 2013-08-07T21:54:47 < zippe> (I tend to write code to the GTIM baseline, since we regularly shuffle timers to make pin assignments) 2013-08-07T22:11:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T22:12:56 < zyp> I still dislike that systick is downcounting 2013-08-07T22:14:03 < karlp> one of the new(ish) TI rf socs has an extra systick like periph that is full 32bit upcounting, it's a nice alternative 2013-08-07T22:14:33 < karlp> sleep timer or something, 2013-08-07T22:20:07 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T22:20:36 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:7c1e:7beb:ddd:2d28] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T22:24:43 < zippe> systick downcounting is fine; a deadline timer is nice. They cheaped out on having a free-running timebase counter in the architecture though (it's in v7, fortunately) 2013-08-07T22:24:48 < zippe> er, v7a 2013-08-07T22:25:21 < zippe> With the amount of crying and whining hardware folks do, you'd think that implementing a 64-bit counter was hard or something. 2013-08-07T22:37:28 < Robint91> zippe, I think that it would be fishy 2013-08-07T22:44:47 < zippe> fishy? 2013-08-07T22:47:02 -!- zetaz [~arno@76.167.87.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T22:47:55 -!- zetaz [~arno@76.167.87.79.rev.sfr.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-07T22:56:20 < Robint91> zippe, not easy to setup 2013-08-07T22:56:28 < Robint91> zippe, maybe bugs in the silicon 2013-08-07T22:56:31 < Robint91> stuff like that 2013-08-07T22:57:28 < zippe> Huh? 2013-08-07T22:57:54 < zippe> Why would "bugs in the silicon" affect a free-running 64 bit counter any more or less than any other part of the chip? 2013-08-07T22:58:45 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.248.239] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T22:58:47 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-07T23:02:01 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.43.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-07T23:05:30 < emeb> just got one of these in the mail: http://www.hotmcu.com/hyministm32v-dev-board-32-tft-lcd-module-p-5.html 2013-08-07T23:07:21 < zyp> :) 2013-08-07T23:07:33 < emeb> comes pre-loaded with a GUI demo. Pretty impressive stuff - very fast graphics. 2013-08-07T23:26:12 <+Steffanx> and i bet its supported by ugfx emeb :) 2013-08-07T23:26:16 <+Steffanx> * µGFX 2013-08-07T23:27:03 < emeb> looks like it's Micrium uC/GUI 2013-08-07T23:33:44 <@Tectu> what's the voltage of the USB data pins? 2013-08-07T23:34:16 <@Tectu> emeb, jep, that's µC/GUI 2013-08-07T23:34:34 <@Tectu> emeb, the code code base is completely garbage 2013-08-07T23:34:36 <@Tectu> -code 2013-08-07T23:35:07 < emeb> Tectu: it seems fairly comprehensive. Probably ancient. What's wrong with it? 2013-08-07T23:36:08 <@Tectu> emeb, the API I saw was very very unclean and last time I checked you couldn't take a look at the source 2013-08-07T23:36:13 <@Tectu> but I might be wrong with the latter 2013-08-07T23:37:09 <@Tectu> emeb, but yes, it's quite impressive when it comes to performance :) 2013-08-07T23:37:51 < emeb> probably has a whole lot of special cases that have accumulated over the years. 2013-08-07T23:38:04 <@Tectu> emeb, what are your requirements? 2013-08-07T23:39:18 < emeb> Tectu: nothing really. just got this board for giggles and playing with the pre-loaded demo. 2013-08-07T23:39:37 < emeb> If I actually did something it wouldn't need nearly this kind of complexity. 2013-08-07T23:39:48 <@Tectu> emeb, I might recommend µGFX at this point, but there are personal relations behind that recommendation 2013-08-07T23:39:50 <@Tectu> http://ugfx.org 2013-08-07T23:40:17 <@Tectu> the TFT module on that board you linked is already supported (both the LCD controller and the touchscreen) 2013-08-07T23:40:29 < emeb> Neat. Looks handy. 2013-08-07T23:45:09 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-07T23:45:18 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 2013-08-07T23:49:25 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T23:54:29 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-07T23:58:23 <@Tectu> give it a try ;) 2013-08-07T23:59:49 -!- ohama [ohama@46.229.238.172.vnet.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-07T23:59:53 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Day changed Thu Aug 08 2013 2013-08-08T00:00:45 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T00:00:51 -!- ohama [ohama@46.229.238.172] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T00:09:31 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:7c1e:7beb:ddd:2d28] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-08T00:09:43 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@109.76.47.47] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T00:12:42 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-08T00:27:48 -!- h36sa [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-08T00:44:40 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-08T00:48:40 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T00:49:22 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.135] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T01:28:41 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-08T01:35:38 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-08T01:43:08 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T01:49:43 -!- luke4 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T01:53:16 -!- luke3 [~luke@cnh19514922325.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-08T01:54:13 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T01:56:00 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T01:56:14 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T01:56:52 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T01:57:05 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T01:57:24 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T01:57:40 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T02:04:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T02:07:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T02:10:40 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T02:21:31 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-08T02:25:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T02:29:12 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-08T02:36:59 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@109.76.47.47] has quit [] 2013-08-08T02:58:55 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T02:59:09 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T03:00:41 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T03:00:56 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T03:03:47 -!- BrainDamage1 [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-08T03:21:41 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T03:24:31 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T03:37:00 < dongs> Another feature would be to make it fully configurable with the remote control. Set IP, etc. That way it would resemble more an end product than a hack, though.. 2013-08-08T03:43:51 < dongs> ok so criteria for hackaday is, it cannot resemble a end product 2013-08-08T03:44:06 < dongs> so most of my shit is out 2013-08-08T03:55:26 < gxti> you can still submit it if it's arduino compatible though 2013-08-08T03:56:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-08T04:21:04 -!- inca_ is now known as inca 2013-08-08T04:34:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T05:26:45 -!- Ademan [~dan@108-66-134-195.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-08T05:58:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-08T06:01:45 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T06:07:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T06:07:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@72.223.90.58] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T06:08:38 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T06:09:17 < R2COM> I was just curious if theres a way to figure out computer time when the "break" event for example occured in gdb during debugging? 2013-08-08T06:23:09 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-08T06:23:46 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T06:24:55 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-08T06:33:02 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-08T06:33:11 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T06:47:03 < R2COM> anyone saw some kind of RF-SPI chip with decent datarate? 2013-08-08T06:50:13 < englishman> what kind of datarate? 2013-08-08T06:50:32 < R2COM> say 2013-08-08T06:50:35 < R2COM> 40Mbps 2013-08-08T06:51:28 < englishman> that's pretty decent 2013-08-08T06:52:06 < R2COM> im finding things like W-lNA + bluetooth 2013-08-08T06:52:07 < R2COM> etc 2013-08-08T06:52:57 < R2COM> looking here now http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/LBEE5ZSTNC-523/490-5885-2-ND/3305746 2013-08-08T06:53:11 < R2COM> kind of weird, SDIO mode 2013-08-08T06:53:21 < R2COM> so its acting like that SD card or something.. 2013-08-08T06:53:53 < dongs> jewtooth hs a 40mbit mode? 2013-08-08T06:56:03 < R2COM> in their docs they refer to it as SDIO 2013-08-08T06:56:05 < R2COM> or sometimes SPI 2013-08-08T06:56:08 < R2COM> so kinda confusing 2013-08-08T06:56:37 < dongs> its sdio. 2013-08-08T06:57:02 < R2COM> I just dont want to use some trash protocol like uart without clock 2013-08-08T06:57:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-08T06:58:43 < englishman> dongs i think it uses bluetooth to negotiate an ad hoc wifi connection 2013-08-08T06:58:51 < R2COM> hmm Xbee has SPI 2013-08-08T06:58:55 < R2COM> but around 4Mbps 2013-08-08T06:59:39 < emeb_mac> max bluetooth rate appears to be 24mbps, but it's actually using an 802.11 waveform 2013-08-08T07:00:54 < emeb_mac> you might be able to get an 802.11 chipset w/ a SPI interface, but then you have to deal with the networking protocols. 2013-08-08T07:01:32 < R2COM> well I dont want to deal with them 2013-08-08T07:01:41 < R2COM> I was thinking of some module which will take care of everything 2013-08-08T07:01:49 < R2COM> and all I do is push/pull data through SPI 2013-08-08T07:01:55 < R2COM> and have a stable transfer 2013-08-08T07:02:32 < R2COM> well ok will browse for that shit later 2013-08-08T07:02:36 < R2COM> its not critical yet 2013-08-08T07:02:38 < R2COM> gym time 2013-08-08T07:10:25 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T07:10:40 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T07:18:47 -!- mansfeld [~andrew@robopoly/watson] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-08T07:18:54 -!- mansfeld [~andrew@84.16.74.101] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T07:18:54 -!- mansfeld [~andrew@84.16.74.101] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-08T07:18:54 -!- mansfeld [~andrew@robopoly/watson] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T07:26:07 < jpa-> R2COM: take carambola board, write small piece of program that will pass data from SPI to the wifi :P 2013-08-08T07:35:31 < emeb_mac> it's just so simple 2013-08-08T07:37:22 < jpa-> http://www.whiznets.com/wifi-modules/whz4178-wifi-module.html these might be cool, but don't seem to be available anywhere 2013-08-08T07:37:49 < jpa-> SDIO makes perfect sense for modules like that, though 2013-08-08T07:43:57 < dongs> isnt wiznet = tarduino city 2013-08-08T08:20:04 < Lt_Lemming> it's the chip used on the ethernet shield 2013-08-08T08:20:12 < Lt_Lemming> that doesn't mean it's a bad chip 2013-08-08T08:24:28 -!- Inrelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T08:24:29 < R2COM> "wiznets provided SDK runs on your uC" really? haha 2013-08-08T08:24:58 < R2COM> why the fuck I need SDK if its just about getting raw data from using SPI? 2013-08-08T08:25:07 < R2COM> or I have to fuck around with protocols 2013-08-08T08:25:34 < jpa-> not sure how easily you can get raw data, but if i was to make such a module, i would definitely include an option for full tcp/ip etc. 2013-08-08T08:25:58 < R2COM> I'd like to see something what handles all that shit itself 2013-08-08T08:26:09 < R2COM> and all I have to do is read/write with spi 2013-08-08T08:26:40 < jpa-> 40Mbps SPI sounds a bit silly anyway.. would be better to use SDIO at such speeds 2013-08-08T08:26:52 < R2COM> why sounds silly? 2013-08-08T08:27:03 < jpa-> unnecessarily large clock speed 2013-08-08T08:27:15 < jpa-> with all the associated EMI trouble 2013-08-08T08:27:22 < R2COM> pff... 2013-08-08T08:27:46 < R2COM> not really. 2013-08-08T08:28:10 < jpa-> some STM32's only do SPI up to 37.5 MHz anyway 2013-08-08T08:28:20 < R2COM> yes 2013-08-08T08:28:38 < R2COM> which is good enough for most stuff I planned it for 2013-08-08T08:29:11 < R2COM> sdio is some sort of protocol right 2013-08-08T08:29:15 < jpa-> yes 2013-08-08T08:29:29 < jpa-> similar to SPI but with hardware CRC + 4 bits wide data bus 2013-08-08T08:29:31 < R2COM> all I want is spi, for it to be simple, just one shift reg 2013-08-08T08:30:09 < R2COM> so that i can do it on fpga too without eating much of its resources 2013-08-08T08:30:11 < PaulFertser> jpa-: doesn't it have a dedicated irq line too? 2013-08-08T08:30:18 < R2COM> and since speed for it is not big deal on such devices 2013-08-08T08:30:51 < jpa-> PaulFertser: hmm.. i'm not sure 2013-08-08T08:31:12 < R2COM> isnt sdio some sort of a licensed stuff as well? 2013-08-08T08:32:10 < jpa-> so is i2c and usb.. 2013-08-08T08:32:21 < R2COM> but not spi 2013-08-08T08:32:53 < R2COM> so my l3gd and lsm303 measurements are done, at 400hz 2013-08-08T08:33:02 < jpa-> R2COM: besides.. i wonder if WIFI is really going to cut it.. if you really need 40Mbps constant data stream, any kind of RF interference that causes packet retransmission could cause you to fall behind 2013-08-08T08:33:09 < R2COM> the board with 32MB flash packs up to 114mins of measurements 2013-08-08T08:33:22 < R2COM> true 2013-08-08T08:33:38 < ds2> GPMC 2013-08-08T08:34:08 < R2COM> its time soon to make some machine precision calibration stand for my inertial sensor board 2013-08-08T08:34:31 < PaulFertser> jpa-: i mean SPI is a fully synchronous protocol, but with SDIO the card can initiate a transfer afaict. Not with a dedicated line, it's multiplexed with one of the data lines. 2013-08-08T08:34:58 < jpa-> PaulFertser: oh well, SPI is often also combined with interrupt lines 2013-08-08T08:35:21 < PaulFertser> jpa-: sure, but that's "out-of-band" strictly speaking. 2013-08-08T08:35:51 < jpa-> true 2013-08-08T08:36:26 < R2COM> so whiznets is something like that Xbee? 2013-08-08T08:36:27 < R2COM> but faster 2013-08-08T08:36:30 < PaulFertser> jpa-: i think with modern 802.11n MIMO equipment on 5GHz band one can get that stream consistently, as 5GHz is not as saturated as 2.4. 2013-08-08T08:36:33 < R2COM> looks like that 2013-08-08T08:36:38 < R2COM> Xbee can do up to 5Mbps 2013-08-08T08:36:39 < R2COM> with SPI 2013-08-08T08:37:10 < R2COM> why? what about 5GHz? 2013-08-08T08:37:14 < jpa-> PaulFertser: true, but most of the cheap wifi boards are 2.4GHz 2013-08-08T08:38:23 < R2COM> hm 2013-08-08T08:38:28 < R2COM> that whiznets is an american company 2013-08-08T08:40:01 < R2COM> so i have to get a login with then to get price 2013-08-08T08:40:25 < R2COM> pff.... 2013-08-08T08:40:26 < PaulFertser> R2COM: current WiFi standard allows both 2.4GHz band and 5GHz, the latter having much more non-overlapping channels, and the equipment for that is more expensive. So even in an apartment building you're likely to be able to find a channel free of interference. Also even with one antenna the maximum channel rate is 150Mbps (in reality you get less of course), and using 2x2 MIMO equipment buys you more speed and sensitivity afaik. 2013-08-08T08:40:34 < R2COM> as if its some sort of a top of the line defence part grade... 2013-08-08T08:40:42 < Lt_Lemming> 5.8GHz 2013-08-08T08:41:53 < R2COM> isnt it up to a designer of module to decide how many non-overlapping channels there are 2013-08-08T08:42:03 < Lt_Lemming> nope 2013-08-08T08:42:10 < R2COM> ah you mean its standard 2013-08-08T08:42:12 < R2COM> and they must follow? 2013-08-08T08:42:15 < Lt_Lemming> yup 2013-08-08T08:42:25 < PaulFertser> We're talking about a standard for consumer radio equipment, right :) 2013-08-08T08:42:26 < R2COM> ok. because technically one can do what I described easily. 2013-08-08T08:43:03 < R2COM> i wonder how much is that chip 2013-08-08T08:43:05 < R2COM> they say 5pcs 2013-08-08T08:43:09 < emeb_mac> R2COM: what kind of range you looking for on the link? 2013-08-08T08:43:20 < R2COM> for beginning something <100m 2013-08-08T08:43:34 < PaulFertser> In fact Atheros supported non-standard channel width (5/10/40) for quite some time, but of course that was compatible only with their own gear. 2013-08-08T08:43:35 < emeb_mac> so about the same as wifi 2013-08-08T08:44:57 < R2COM> i wanted download SDK just skim through it see how it looks 2013-08-08T08:45:00 < R2COM> i cant see link 2013-08-08T08:45:12 < R2COM> they are such a morons, just open the shit up for people to see 2013-08-08T08:46:07 < R2COM> so it seems like theres some not small piece of code which handles networking/protocol stuff... 2013-08-08T08:46:16 < R2COM> and which will have to run on my uC 2013-08-08T08:47:17 < PaulFertser> I worked a bit with some old wiznet uart-ethernet modules (wiz100sr?). It worked but overall impression was ewww. The docs were incomplete and they offered some stupid windows tool (iirc in VB) to do a broadcast scan for them in LAN. 2013-08-08T08:48:19 < ds2> wish they would make CF WiFi modules again 2013-08-08T08:49:02 < jpa-> you are never going to get 40Mbps with WIFI at 100m without directional antennas.. 2013-08-08T08:49:02 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T08:50:01 -!- DanteA [~X@host-122-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T08:52:24 < PaulFertser> I wonder if there's any high-speed way (that's not usb) to interface to this module: http://www.asiarf.com/Smallest-Tiny-Ralink-802-11n-Wireless-AP-Router-Module-Board-AWM002-product-view-375.html 2013-08-08T08:52:56 < Lt_Lemming> paul, probably ethernet somewhere on the board 2013-08-08T08:53:28 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: ethernet, yes, of course. But R2COM is talking about something he can easily implement on an FPGA. 2013-08-08T08:53:45 < Lt_Lemming> ethernet would fall under that category 2013-08-08T08:53:49 < jpa-> I2S is fast also 2013-08-08T08:53:50 < PaulFertser> Yep 2013-08-08T08:53:59 < jpa-> and almost like SPI 2013-08-08T08:54:15 < Lt_Lemming> I²C you mean? 2013-08-08T08:54:21 < jpa-> no, I2S 2013-08-08T08:54:22 < Lt_Lemming> I²S is for audio... 2013-08-08T08:54:37 < PaulFertser> Probably if one writes an appropriate driver... 2013-08-08T08:54:47 < jpa-> well it's there in the pinout and if the software is flexible enough to use it for custom purposes.. 2013-08-08T08:55:01 < emeb_mac> but nowhere near 40mbs 2013-08-08T08:55:05 < emeb_mac> mbps 2013-08-08T08:55:15 < Lt_Lemming> jpa-, it's not 2013-08-08T08:55:21 < jpa-> hmm yeah, probably not 2013-08-08T08:55:49 < jpa-> and anyway, datasheets for those ralink chipsets are rarely public enough so one could hack it.. :/ 2013-08-08T08:58:46 < PaulFertser> jpa-: for ralink they're often public enough. I just downloaded one 2013-08-08T08:59:07 < PaulFertser> jpa-: maximum I2S speed here seems to be 16*2*48000 = 1536000 2013-08-08T08:59:18 < jpa-> PaulFertser: and no hardware SPI? 2013-08-08T08:59:41 < PaulFertser> jpa-: there's, of course, but on dedicated pins afaict 2013-08-08T08:59:47 < PaulFertser> So not routed out to that connector. 2013-08-08T09:00:11 < jpa-> ah, makes sense 2013-08-08T09:00:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@72.223.90.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T09:01:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T09:01:12 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: 32*2*192 is possible on i2s - 12.288MHz 2013-08-08T09:01:39 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: yes, but not with this particular chip 2013-08-08T09:03:50 < jpa-> it does say "Supports an external 12 Mhz bit clock" though 2013-08-08T09:05:11 < scrts> hmm, anyone here ever worked with ralink or atheros drivers under linux? 2013-08-08T09:05:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-122-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-08T09:06:57 < PaulFertser> scrts: what do you mean by worked with? 2013-08-08T09:07:22 < Lt_Lemming> scrts, yes and they both suck 2013-08-08T09:07:25 < scrts> well, I need i2s driver for AR9331 (Atheros) in linux 2013-08-08T09:07:38 < scrts> maybe someone have SDK? 2013-08-08T09:07:44 * Lt_Lemming facepalms 2013-08-08T09:07:45 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: ath9k doesn't suck compared to the others. 2013-08-08T09:08:11 < scrts> Lt_Lemming -> which SoC with WiFi on-chip doesn't suck? :) 2013-08-08T09:08:38 < Lt_Lemming> nfi 2013-08-08T09:08:57 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.252.51] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T09:09:00 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar__] by ChanServ 2013-08-08T09:09:08 < scrts> hmmm, nfi? what is this? 2013-08-08T09:09:30 < PaulFertser> scrts: at least with atheros you can get the docs easily. 2013-08-08T09:10:21 < scrts> PaulFertser -> how? Their website doesn't provide any :| 2013-08-08T09:10:50 < PaulFertser> scrts: you write them a letter, sign NDA, get access. You do not need to be a mega-corp to do that. 2013-08-08T09:11:12 < scrts> and what if I am not a corp at all? :) 2013-08-08T09:11:14 < PaulFertser> scrts: another way is to try using some chinese web search engines and forums. 2013-08-08T09:11:24 < PaulFertser> scrts: yes, they provide docs to individuals too. 2013-08-08T09:11:32 < scrts> hmm, cool 2013-08-08T09:11:35 < scrts> let's try 2013-08-08T09:13:18 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.248.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-08T09:21:55 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.5] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T09:24:40 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T09:26:29 < scrts> right, everything that I can find to contact is qca.info@qca.qualcomm.com, maybe someone knows the direct email to their R&D department? 2013-08-08T09:30:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T09:33:26 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T09:37:22 < dongs> wat 2013-08-08T09:37:29 < dongs> qualcomm, docs? 2013-08-08T09:37:29 < dongs> pfft. 2013-08-08T09:37:31 < dongs> good luck 2013-08-08T09:53:01 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-08T09:54:29 < emeb_mac> ya - just ask the AOSP guy about getting Qualcomm dox 2013-08-08T09:55:21 <@Tectu> emeb_mac, do you have some time to help me debugging my BMP? I flashed the blackmagic_dfu and I land in hardfault 2013-08-08T09:56:05 < emeb_mac> Tectu: so you've got both the bootloader and the main app installed? 2013-08-08T09:56:39 <@Tectu> emeb_mac, no. just tbe bootloader. but when I reset the chip to get the new /dev/ttyACMx to load the actual app, I directly land in hardfault 2013-08-08T09:56:43 <@Tectu> so no USB port at all 2013-08-08T09:57:01 < emeb_mac> that's very odd. 2013-08-08T09:57:20 <@Tectu> can I show you my schematics? 2013-08-08T09:57:26 < emeb_mac> sure 2013-08-08T09:57:40 <@Tectu> do you want me to mail a .pdf or do you want some sort of posted screenshot? 2013-08-08T09:58:39 < emeb_mac> if it fits on a screenshot just stick it up on imgur or imagebin or something 2013-08-08T09:58:53 <@Tectu> hmm,, the labels are too small - will not work out 2013-08-08T10:10:03 < dongs> kikecad png export sucks 2013-08-08T10:10:07 < dongs> ive seen it before, looks fucking terrible 2013-08-08T10:10:32 < emeb_mac> looks like eagle to me. 2013-08-08T10:11:04 < dongs> ew. 2013-08-08T10:33:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-08T10:39:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T10:45:47 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T11:01:11 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-08T11:02:13 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-08T11:06:39 < zyp> Tectu, you have to hold the bootloader button to keep the bootloader from attempting to jump to application 2013-08-08T11:06:43 < dongs> anyone want some 0201 1.5k resistors+39pF caps? 2013-08-08T11:07:11 <@Tectu> zyp, interesting. 2013-08-08T11:07:33 < dongs> (free) 2013-08-08T11:08:55 -!- luke4 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2013-08-08T11:10:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-08T11:10:07 < zyp> dongs, I don't think I want to deal with them any more than you 2013-08-08T11:10:15 < dongs> lol 2013-08-08T11:13:53 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=urAiRdTV_XI&t=77 fucking japs 2013-08-08T11:19:13 <@Tectu> zyp, so holding the button while power-up should bring the new ttyACMx? 2013-08-08T11:19:57 < PaulFertser> Tectu: i think the bootloader is not ttyACM but a DFU device 2013-08-08T11:24:41 -!- luke4 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T11:29:02 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T11:33:55 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, you're right, I get a new dfu device! 2013-08-08T11:34:53 < PaulFertser> Tectu: then you should be able to use upstream dfu-util or that upgrade app from bmp sources to flash the firmware itself. 2013-08-08T11:35:45 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, now I could successfully flash the app :) 2013-08-08T11:35:55 <@Tectu> (Theres a scrip in the git repo of BMP for that 2013-08-08T11:37:05 < PaulFertser> Tectu: yep 2013-08-08T11:37:11 < PaulFertser> Tectu: so, what was the issue? 2013-08-08T11:37:19 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, and now I get a new ttyACMx :) 2013-08-08T11:37:27 <@Tectu> now I just need a working Udev rule. 2013-08-08T11:37:43 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, it was a chain of several issues 2013-08-08T11:38:33 <@Tectu> for one, I fried the first chip, then I figured out that I forgot to set one of the boot pins properly. Then I tried to directly flash the app using SWD but I should just have flashed the bootloader 2013-08-08T11:40:30 < PaulFertser> Tectu: i think you can directly flash the app too if you do not use "mass erase" (i.e. leaving the bootloader intact). 2013-08-08T11:41:44 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-85-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T11:42:04 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, zyp my BMP is now working. I thank you very much for your support! 2013-08-08T11:42:09 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T11:43:49 < PaulFertser> Tectu: great! Are you using that additional AUX uart too? I seem to remember there were some patches to make 115200 work reliably but i'm not sure if they're integrated. 2013-08-08T11:44:47 < scrts> maybe someone remembrs which UART signal: RTS or CTS I need to use for RS485 direction pin REn/DE control? 2013-08-08T11:45:54 < PaulFertser> I always had to manually toggle GPIO on "transmission complete" interrupt... 2013-08-08T11:48:11 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, AUX uart? 2013-08-08T11:48:41 < scrts> ghm 2013-08-08T11:48:41 < PaulFertser> Tectu: yes, ttyACM0 is the gdb server, and ttyACM1 is translated to BMP's UART that you can use for whatever 2013-08-08T11:48:53 < scrts> I am more into RTS pin, but need to be sure :| 2013-08-08T11:49:02 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, aaah... I didn't connect that one. This BMP is on-board on a project board 2013-08-08T11:49:11 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, and there I have the real USB-CDC of the target MCU 2013-08-08T11:49:24 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, maybe I would have been a sane idea to do that :P 2013-08-08T11:49:44 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, one question... do I have to use mon reset halt and that stuff in GDB or does BMP reset on it's own and i just call load and run and so on? 2013-08-08T11:50:15 < PaulFertser> Tectu: no mon reset command there. Just swdp_scan, then you "attach" and that's it. 2013-08-08T11:50:27 < PaulFertser> Tectu: mon help will show you all the commands available 2013-08-08T11:50:53 < PaulFertser> scrts: you need to wait until the last bit from the FIFO is shifted out. I'm not sure if RTS is suitable for that. 2013-08-08T11:51:34 < scrts> no I need to tell the UART<->RS485 chip when I am sending data and when I am receiving 2013-08-08T11:51:50 < PaulFertser> scrts: yes, sure. 2013-08-08T11:52:02 < scrts> should be RTS :| 2013-08-08T11:52:22 <@Tectu> jtag_scan in my case 2013-08-08T11:53:07 < PaulFertser> scrts: nRTS: Request to send indicates that the USART is ready to receive a data 2013-08-08T11:54:57 < scrts> according to Your signal name nRTS, it means "not Request To Send", hm, maybe true, but then I need to think of which side is ready to send data: the client or the server :) 2013-08-08T11:56:23 < PaulFertser> scrts: if you're sending data, you need to keep rs485 driver active. And only the TC interrupt will tell you when it can be turned off, i'm afraid. 2013-08-08T11:57:12 < scrts> PaulFertser -> I am not connecting it to STM32 UART, it's another device 2013-08-08T11:57:29 < scrts> so it probably won't fire up any interrupts and I will have to care of eberything 2013-08-08T11:57:44 < PaulFertser> scrts: but how is controlling the 485 phy actually? 2013-08-08T11:58:53 < scrts> well it has 3 pins: RX, TX and TX_EN, when TX_EN is high, the data received on TX port is sent to RS485 bus. The chip listens for data on RS485 bus when TX_EN is low. 2013-08-08T12:01:57 < PaulFertser> scrts: here's how I use 485 with freemodbus on an stm32: http://paste.debian.net/23603/ 2013-08-08T12:02:21 < PaulFertser> (that's with the st shit-library) 2013-08-08T12:03:13 < PaulFertser> (there's additional trick i needed to use to avoid "powering" the rs485 driver by my UART Tx line because the phy is not always powered) 2013-08-08T12:09:45 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@173.sub-75-233-163.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T12:10:33 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-08T12:10:46 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-08T12:11:12 -!- luke4 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2013-08-08T12:12:31 < dongs> Price per unit is 4.80 EURO (min.order quantity 100) 2013-08-08T12:12:38 < dongs> J-Link OB Usage agreement needs to be signed 2013-08-08T12:12:42 < dongs> License fee: 1,000 € if no firmware file is shared with the customer, else 5,000 € 2013-08-08T12:12:55 < dongs> Silicon will be provided by customer (AT91SAM7S64) 2013-08-08T12:12:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T12:13:11 < dongs> pretty spendy 2013-08-08T12:13:21 < dongs> so 1k eur+480minimum to get jlinkob on a board. 2013-08-08T12:14:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T12:14:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-08T12:16:22 < PaulFertser> dongs: totally worth every buck, yeah? ;) 2013-08-08T12:20:09 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@173.sub-75-233-163.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-08T12:20:51 < karlp> PaulFertser: have you got one of those asiarf boards? or did you just see them from jon smirl's posts? 2013-08-08T12:24:34 -!- luke4 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T12:25:40 < karlp> scrts: if you're not using an stm32, then yeah, RTS is generally good enough. I've got a couple of ft232 devices with the rts pin straight to tx-enable on a rs485 driver, works fine, 2013-08-08T12:25:57 < karlp> if it _is_ on the stm32, st has an app note on various methods of driving the tx-enable pins. 2013-08-08T12:32:06 -!- fergusnoble_ [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T12:39:05 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T12:41:05 < Laurenceb> argggg 2013-08-08T12:41:20 < Laurenceb> studpid hangover 2013-08-08T12:41:24 < Laurenceb> ooh 2013-08-08T12:41:29 < Laurenceb> hi fergusnoble_ 2013-08-08T12:41:36 < Laurenceb> congrats on kickstarter 2013-08-08T12:45:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-08T12:46:39 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T12:46:57 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T12:54:33 < scrts> show us the project :) 2013-08-08T12:55:34 < Laurenceb> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/piksi-the-rtk-gps-receiver/ 2013-08-08T12:56:13 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-85-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-08T13:01:34 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-14-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T13:10:21 < dongs> wat 2013-08-08T13:10:32 < dongs> the picture shows a fucking DJI trashrig 2013-08-08T13:12:45 < dongs> fucking eagle schematics 2013-08-08T13:12:47 < dongs> god damn newbs 2013-08-08T13:12:59 < Laurenceb> trolldongs 2013-08-08T13:13:44 < dongs> protip: if you make your trash in eagle, fucking provide PDF schematics 2013-08-08T13:13:50 < dongs> nobody wants to install/download that garbage just to view your shit 2013-08-08T13:14:47 < Laurenceb> its not open source 2013-08-08T13:15:02 < Laurenceb> VHDL is closed sores 2013-08-08T13:15:12 < dongs> lol, FPGA 2013-08-08T13:15:40 < dongs> FTDI TO USB???? WITH A F4 ON THERE?? 2013-08-08T13:15:43 < dongs> what the actual fuck 2013-08-08T13:17:10 < dongs> so does it actually do GPS shit in software? 2013-08-08T13:17:12 < dongs> on FPGA or whatever? 2013-08-08T13:17:22 < dongs> no wonder its closed sores 2013-08-08T13:17:22 < dongs> heh 2013-08-08T13:17:53 < Laurenceb> fpga is just a hardware accelerator 2013-08-08T13:18:06 < Laurenceb> all the gps fix etc is on the F4 2013-08-08T13:18:24 < dongs> accelerator for what tho? 2013-08-08T13:18:30 < Laurenceb> correlation 2013-08-08T13:18:36 < Laurenceb> for finding the sats 2013-08-08T13:18:42 < dongs> right, so gps stuff is in software. 2013-08-08T13:18:51 < dongs> no wonder its closed sores. 2013-08-08T13:19:10 < Laurenceb> the F4 code is open 2013-08-08T13:19:35 < Laurenceb> and the interface for the FPGA seems to be open too 2013-08-08T13:19:47 < Laurenceb> its just the VHDL isnt free 2013-08-08T13:21:39 < Laurenceb> im convinced you can do software only on an F4 2013-08-08T13:21:43 < Laurenceb> but its a lot of work 2013-08-08T13:24:02 < dongs> GPS in software on F4? I don't think so' 2013-08-08T13:24:14 < Laurenceb> it looks feasible 2013-08-08T13:24:36 < Laurenceb> with about 12 channels 2013-08-08T13:26:24 < dongs> go for it 2013-08-08T13:26:28 < dongs> then dickstart it 2013-08-08T13:28:17 < dongs> i srsly need explanation why the fuck they have this picture here 2013-08-08T13:28:18 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/793/723/6b80694ca605264f9f61f8593c8d4b89_large.jpg?1375313206 2013-08-08T13:32:13 < Laurenceb> their podulae is on it 2013-08-08T13:34:07 -!- CoolBear is now known as Hightower 2013-08-08T13:34:18 < dongs> and? 2013-08-08T13:34:47 < dongs> it's not adding anything to the flight, if thats what its supposed to mean 2013-08-08T13:35:35 < Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/15366/1375920208/fook.jpg 2013-08-08T13:35:38 < Laurenceb> i lolled 2013-08-08T13:35:50 < dongs> ?????????? 2013-08-08T13:36:44 <+Steffanx> How that things does not add something dongs? 2013-08-08T13:36:55 <+Steffanx> gps on a quadcopter .. 2013-08-08T13:37:05 < dongs> bceause the quadcopter its on doesn't use that GPS 2013-08-08T13:37:16 < Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/71240/1256156576/mugabeslogo2.gif 2013-08-08T13:37:30 -!- Hightower is now known as CoolBeer 2013-08-08T13:37:34 <+Steffanx> but i dont think that is the whole point of that photo anyway dongs. 2013-08-08T13:37:47 < dongs> Steffanx: it should be 2013-08-08T13:38:26 <+Steffanx> And it looks wired, so who says it isn't used? 2013-08-08T13:38:39 < dongs> Steffanx: because the flight control + etc is closed sores chinese shit 2013-08-08T13:38:42 < dongs> which doesn't take external GPS 2013-08-08T13:38:49 < dongs> nor is its own GPS protocol published 2013-08-08T13:38:55 <+Steffanx> Can you see the actual board that controls everything? 2013-08-08T13:38:58 < dongs> yes 2013-08-08T13:39:07 < dongs> gray box embedded in teh top side 2013-08-08T13:39:15 <+Steffanx> ah :) 2013-08-08T13:39:35 < dongs> then tehre's the shitty chinese textmode OSD on tehre and aluminum X and a mast that goes to chinese GPS receiver 2013-08-08T13:39:38 <+Steffanx> that's that thing you measured in one of your videos? 2013-08-08T13:39:53 <+Steffanx> to show how noisy it is? 2013-08-08T13:40:00 < dongs> one of those yeha. 2013-08-08T13:40:04 < dongs> this is the $1k model 2013-08-08T13:40:31 <+Steffanx> but only you know that. The average backer doesn't ::) 2013-08-08T13:40:36 < dongs> uh huh 2013-08-08T13:40:41 < dongs> false advertising? 2013-08-08T13:40:43 < dongs> faggots. 2013-08-08T13:41:08 < dongs> about the only thing that shit can be doing on that plastic shitheap of a copter is maybe used for logging its gps position. 2013-08-08T13:43:59 < Laurenceb> fergusnodel is being very quiet 2013-08-08T13:44:04 < Laurenceb> *nobel 2013-08-08T13:44:05 < Laurenceb> arggg 2013-08-08T13:44:13 <+Steffanx> poor boy. 2013-08-08T13:44:26 < Laurenceb> ping fergusnoble_ 2013-08-08T13:44:47 <+Steffanx> oh, that guy is actually in here 2013-08-08T13:45:01 <+Steffanx> Can't you see he is away Laurenceb? 2013-08-08T13:45:06 <+Steffanx> At least his status says he is 2013-08-08T13:49:42 < PaulFertser> karlp: just saw Jan Smirl's mails, yes. 2013-08-08T13:50:06 < karlp> we're looking at it, and the carombola2 and another one for a new version of one of our boards 2013-08-08T13:57:28 < dongs> wait wat http://www.maximintegrated.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/5241 2013-08-08T13:57:49 < dongs> what does that output? 2013-08-08T13:58:35 < dongs> The integrated ADC outputs 1 or 2 quantized bits for both I and Q channels, or up to 3 quantized bits for the I channel. 2013-08-08T14:10:37 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T14:29:19 < Laurenceb> its just a 1.5whatever GHz direct conversion Rx 2013-08-08T14:36:00 < dongs> oic 2013-08-08T14:36:08 < dongs> but 2 bits I/Q 2013-08-08T14:36:13 < dongs> and why does that go directly to FPGA 2013-08-08T14:36:17 < dongs> FPGAs dont have analog inputs do they? 2013-08-08T14:36:47 < dongs> it takes GPS and outpust baseband? 2013-08-08T14:36:50 < dongs> zeroIF or whateveR? 2013-08-08T14:37:53 < Laurenceb> fail 2013-08-08T14:38:00 < Laurenceb> its clocked digital output 2013-08-08T14:38:08 < dongs> wtf is that? 2013-08-08T14:38:10 < Laurenceb> toggled into the FPGA 2013-08-08T14:38:18 < Laurenceb> clk and 4 data lines or something 2013-08-08T14:38:38 < dongs> no? 2013-08-08T14:38:44 < dongs> look at the shitty eagle schema 2013-08-08T14:38:45 < Laurenceb> im too lazy 2013-08-08T14:39:03 < Laurenceb> maybe theres two data lines and it uses "DDR" 2013-08-08T14:39:37 < dongs> 6 layer pcb heh 2013-08-08T14:40:06 < dongs> 11.8/23.8 mil vias 2013-08-08T14:40:52 < dongs> oh, max_clkout 2013-08-08T14:41:32 < Laurenceb> http://docs.swift-nav.com/pdfs/piksi_datasheet_v2.3.1.pdf 2013-08-08T14:41:34 < Laurenceb> wtfm 2013-08-08T14:41:44 < Laurenceb> s/w/r 2013-08-08T14:42:17 < Laurenceb> fiugre3 is on the fpga 2013-08-08T14:43:07 < Laurenceb> the programmable notch filtering is very epic 2013-08-08T14:44:31 < dongs> is at least bitstream binary available? 2013-08-08T14:44:32 < dongs> or not even 2013-08-08T14:44:42 < Laurenceb> i think the binary is 2013-08-08T14:44:43 < dongs> 2013-08-08T14:44:47 < Laurenceb> oh lol 2013-08-08T14:44:54 < dongs> 500EUR/chip 2013-08-08T14:45:27 < dongs> actually im trolling cuz spartan6 shit is in configrom 2013-08-08T14:45:58 < dongs> The RF front-end consists of a Maxim MAX2769 integrated 2013-08-08T14:45:59 < dongs> down-converter and 3-bit analog-to-digital converter operating at up to 32.736 MS/s (16.368 MS/s typical). 2013-08-08T14:46:12 -!- fergusnoble_ is now known as fergusnoble 2013-08-08T14:46:18 < dongs> oh look, hes her 2013-08-08T14:46:19 < dongs> here 2013-08-08T15:11:17 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-08T15:13:25 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-08T15:14:50 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@bas1-london15-1168017428.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T15:14:50 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@bas1-london15-1168017428.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-08T15:14:50 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T15:22:06 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.66.4] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T15:25:10 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T15:27:35 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T15:46:45 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/08/sick_trolls_shamed_during_vicious_attack_on_camgirl_stripper/ 2013-08-08T15:46:48 < Laurenceb> wuuuuttttt 2013-08-08T15:46:56 < Laurenceb> Cam girl Nina Jaymes, 40 2013-08-08T15:47:13 < Laurenceb> 40 yo O_o 2013-08-08T15:50:32 <+Steffanx> And all the 4chan people always find here.. doesn't that say more about the 'audience' than the model Laurenceb? 2013-08-08T15:50:36 <+Steffanx> *her 2013-08-08T15:51:32 <+Steffanx> *cam girl 2013-08-08T16:02:07 <+Steffanx> w00t, did i manage to get ignored by Laurenceb. If so, mission accomplished. 2013-08-08T16:05:46 -!- luke4 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T16:10:09 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T16:16:19 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.66.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-08T16:16:32 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.4] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T16:23:37 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T16:26:32 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T16:37:41 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-08T16:41:29 -!- luke4 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T16:48:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-08T16:51:05 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T17:00:00 < arnonh> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity 2013-08-08T17:00:28 <+Steffanx> It's going well i see. 2013-08-08T17:00:32 < arnonh> they are starting to feel the pressure 2013-08-08T17:03:37 -!- Zeora [5388f6d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.136.246.214] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T17:04:57 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-08T17:11:15 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-14-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-08T17:11:38 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T17:17:59 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T17:31:54 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-08T17:32:59 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T17:34:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-08T17:40:11 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T17:43:38 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T17:44:53 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-08T17:45:45 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T17:45:45 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-08T17:45:45 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T17:53:50 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-08T17:55:03 < dongs> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kickender 2013-08-08T17:57:56 < karlp> heh 2013-08-08T18:01:38 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T18:03:43 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T18:05:36 <+Steffanx> Haha, to quote a certain person: "i lolled" 2013-08-08T18:06:02 <+Steffanx> but i dont like "Flexible Funding" 2013-08-08T18:09:22 -!- BrainDamage1 [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T18:09:43 < jpa-> Steffanx: tired? 2013-08-08T18:10:18 <+Steffanx> Yes, very tired and I have a headache too. 2013-08-08T18:10:19 <+Steffanx> Why/ 2013-08-08T18:10:28 < jpa-> because you were lolling 2013-08-08T18:10:46 < jpa-> i.e. being lazy 2013-08-08T18:11:06 <+Steffanx> You know.. it happens. 2013-08-08T18:11:31 <+Steffanx> Im only grumpy on certain occasions 2013-08-08T18:11:52 <+Steffanx> And the 'occasions' seem to happen quite often here. 2013-08-08T18:12:10 <+Steffanx> How's our sick jpa-? 2013-08-08T18:12:51 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-08T18:13:34 < jpa-> i still have fever 2013-08-08T18:14:16 <+Steffanx> Anyway, it's not that i don't do anything. It's just what i do is "none of your business" 2013-08-08T18:17:25 <+Steffanx> Is the parrot taking care of you well jpa-? 2013-08-08T18:17:32 < jpa-> yes :) 2013-08-08T18:17:41 <+Steffanx> Good :) 2013-08-08T18:29:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T18:29:47 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-98-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T18:29:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-08T18:30:08 -!- BrainDamage1 [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-08T18:30:20 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T18:37:12 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-08T18:37:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-08T18:51:25 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-98-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-08T18:55:14 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-126-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T18:59:37 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-126-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-08T19:02:46 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T19:12:35 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-08T19:14:25 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T19:17:05 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T19:30:09 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-08T19:37:47 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@177.sub-75-196-39.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T19:38:30 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-08T19:39:35 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T19:45:41 -!- Zeora [5388f6d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.136.246.214] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-08T19:49:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.217.185] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T19:50:38 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-89-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T19:55:27 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Read error: No buffer space available] 2013-08-08T19:56:03 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T20:13:47 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@177.sub-75-196-39.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-08T20:17:18 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-08T20:20:55 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T20:45:16 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@109.78.96.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T21:02:00 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-89-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-08T21:04:37 -!- Inrelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-08T21:11:23 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-08T21:11:26 -!- ohama [ohama@46.229.238.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-08T21:41:13 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:5c93:5267:3fcb:c999] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T21:48:28 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T21:49:59 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:5c93:5267:3fcb:c999] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-08T21:57:53 <@Tectu> working BMP: http://abload.de/img/img_0000025561zlt.jpg 2013-08-08T21:58:02 <@Tectu> (in case of someone gives a damn) 2013-08-08T22:04:01 < ABLomas> BMP is... ? ;-) 2013-08-08T22:10:08 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-08T22:10:33 <@Tectu> BlackMagicProbe... Some firmware which builds a JTAG/SWD adapter 2013-08-08T22:10:47 <@Tectu> http://www.blacksphere.co.nz/main/blackmagic 2013-08-08T22:13:44 * PaulFertser has seen that board already. Nice to see it fully populated and working! 2013-08-08T22:15:53 < PaulFertser> Tectu: your soldering is nicer than that of somebody who assembled that Milandr demo board I have at work 2013-08-08T22:16:06 < PaulFertser> (Milandr is the local IC manufacturer) 2013-08-08T22:16:47 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, thank you very much (it's all 100% hand soldered with an iron [expect the QFN]) 2013-08-08T22:16:49 < PaulFertser> Tectu: what's the point of having a debugger embedded btw? Is the end-user supposed to use gdb? :) 2013-08-08T22:16:59 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, it's not yet fully populated ;) 2013-08-08T22:17:22 < PaulFertser> And I see you're missing the quartz resonator you're planning for bmp. 2013-08-08T22:17:45 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, nope, but it will take months to get all the software running and I am currently traveling a lot. Furthermore, this is supposed to become an open source project and the community should be able to hack the firmware easily. Compared to the other projects, that on-board debugger really costs nothing. 2013-08-08T22:17:58 <@Tectu> yeah, it's out of stock :< 2013-08-08T22:18:12 <@Tectu> but as you can see I could patch it ;) 2013-08-08T22:18:39 < PaulFertser> Tectu: fine reasoning indeed. One could go with embedding a Gdb stub but that would be harder and more limiting at the same time. 2013-08-08T22:19:09 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, embedding a GDB stub? you directly connect out of GDB to the board. There's no middleware like OpenOCD or texane required. 2013-08-08T22:19:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.217.185] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-08T22:20:02 < PaulFertser> Tectu: i meant embedding a gdb stub in your target firmware itself. 2013-08-08T22:20:46 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, ooh 2013-08-08T22:20:54 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, I am not sure if that's a good thing to do ;-) 2013-08-08T22:21:12 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, this way you always have a working debugger. If you overwrite the flash of the target MCU, you are kinda screwed 2013-08-08T22:21:20 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, and again, it really costs just a few bucks 2013-08-08T22:21:45 < PaulFertser> Tectu: indeed, that's why i say embedding bmp on board is rather cool :) 2013-08-08T22:23:26 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, :) 2013-08-08T22:23:39 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, I hope to raise some money on kickstarter or indiegogo for this at some time 2013-08-08T22:23:49 < PaulFertser> Tectu: i see something glittery on the uSD pins (4-5), is it ok? 2013-08-08T22:23:52 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, the resonance seems to be very promising so far. a lot of people are interested 2013-08-08T22:24:20 <@Tectu> yes, that's a "dust" piece of cutted super glue 2013-08-08T22:24:25 <@Tectu> I saw it after I took the picture :( 2013-08-08T22:24:39 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, but good catch 2013-08-08T22:24:41 < PaulFertser> Doesn't matter then 2013-08-08T22:24:47 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.176] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T22:25:31 < PaulFertser> Tectu: what would be connected to that "idc" header? 2013-08-08T22:26:10 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, the ridiculously big thing on the right? 2013-08-08T22:26:24 < PaulFertser> Tectu: Yes 2013-08-08T22:26:31 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, there's a 5" TFT touchscreen module going on top of that PCB, hence the four distance bolts 2013-08-08T22:26:38 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, and that's the connector for it 2013-08-08T22:26:43 < PaulFertser> Thought so :) 2013-08-08T22:27:56 < PaulFertser> Tectu: what's the usecase for the screen? I used to think that it's often easier to build nice UI for a laptop and save on the screen and embedded UI programming. 2013-08-08T22:27:58 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-08T22:28:09 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, I couldn't interface the FPGA yet (didn't had time so far) 2013-08-08T22:28:28 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, I have both. One of the USB ports is for the BMP, the other is the USB-CDC from the target MCU. 2013-08-08T22:28:33 < PaulFertser> Tectu: have you connected it to the same chain and are you planning to use "raw JTAG" BMP commands for the initial flashing? 2013-08-08T22:28:35 <@Tectu> I already have a basically working UI 2013-08-08T22:29:05 <@Tectu> the display is just an option. You can draw a waveform with your thinger on the touchscreen, give some delays, frequencies, offset and amplitude parameters and it will come out like that :) 2013-08-08T22:29:22 < PaulFertser> Tectu: btw, if you have any issues understanding/debugging SVF i think i can try to help with that, i've read and understood the specification once. 2013-08-08T22:29:26 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, but I will certanly provide a kit without the LCD 2013-08-08T22:29:36 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, what's SVF? :S 2013-08-08T22:29:47 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, the FPGA does not have any JTAG interface. It is configured through SPI by the target MCU 2013-08-08T22:30:16 < PaulFertser> Tectu: that's a text file describing JTAG commands one-by-one, you can playback it with any adapter to have e.g. a CPLD programmed. 2013-08-08T22:30:51 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, interesting 2013-08-08T22:31:19 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T22:32:16 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, but thanks for the offer :) 2013-08-08T22:33:03 < PaulFertser> Tectu: I also now know what a jtag boundary scan is and how one can bitbang pins of a microcontroller using it :) But it looks there's no much demand for that :) 2013-08-08T22:33:05 <+Steffanx> what was the problem btw Tectu? 2013-08-08T22:33:42 <@Tectu> Steffanx, a chain of problems 2013-08-08T22:34:03 <+Steffanx> that's a nice problem :P 2013-08-08T22:34:18 <@Tectu> Steffanx, first of all, I fried the first chip, then I figured out that I didn't set up one of the boot pins properly, Then I missunderstood the BMP documentation, then I missunderstand the BMP documentation again and then it worked :) 2013-08-08T22:34:22 <@Tectu> (thanks to the people here) 2013-08-08T22:34:46 <+Steffanx> So at least ##stm32 is useful this time. 2013-08-08T22:35:48 <+Steffanx> Sorry, i promised not to be grumpy ( or look grumpy ) anymore. 2013-08-08T22:36:59 <@Tectu> then why don't you doso? 2013-08-08T22:37:04 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, so you're a lot into FPGAs? 2013-08-08T22:37:18 < PaulFertser> Tectu: nope, I've never written a Verilog line in my life. 2013-08-08T22:37:32 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, is it a joke and you come up with VHDL now? 2013-08-08T22:37:39 <+Steffanx> Isn't vhdl more europe style? 2013-08-08T22:37:51 <+Steffanx> i guess that's a yess 2013-08-08T22:39:03 <+Steffanx> I do remember the good old times i had to write VHDL. ): 2013-08-08T22:39:09 <+Steffanx> *:) 2013-08-08T22:39:19 < PaulFertser> Tectu: I just played with AHDL (altera) for 15 minutes once at a university, so no, I do not really know anything about using FPGAs and CPLDs. 2013-08-08T22:39:49 <@Tectu> I see 2013-08-08T22:39:57 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, might I ask what you are? 2013-08-08T22:41:05 < PaulFertser> Tectu: I'm a free software enthusiast :) I know a bit about low-level programming and some very basic EE. 2013-08-08T22:41:26 < PaulFertser> So I'm not a hardware guy at all. 2013-08-08T22:43:03 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, interesting 2013-08-08T22:43:13 <@Tectu> PaulFertser, your nick name sounds like some 70 years old HF professor :P 2013-08-08T22:43:17 <@Tectu> (no offense) 2013-08-08T22:44:43 <+Steffanx> Tectu, you ever visited his website? 2013-08-08T22:44:48 < PaulFertser> Tectu: heh, my nick is actually my real name (English-style) :) But it's true that I'm teaching at a local university, just without a degree :) 2013-08-08T22:44:53 <+Steffanx> That's something you wont expect when you read his name :) 2013-08-08T22:46:13 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: my site is not a real site, there's basically only one useful page for my students. 2013-08-08T22:46:32 <+Steffanx> I was referring to the language it's written in 2013-08-08T22:47:11 <@Tectu> klingon? 2013-08-08T22:47:12 < PaulFertser> Most of the students are too either too lazy or too silly to read English, alas :( 2013-08-08T22:47:30 <+Steffanx> just whois him and go to his hostname Tectu. 2013-08-08T22:47:59 < PaulFertser> You've spoiled my anonimity, how dare you! 2013-08-08T22:48:01 < PaulFertser> :D 2013-08-08T22:48:16 <+Steffanx> Im very sorry. 2013-08-08T22:52:59 <@Tectu> guys, is craigslist something legal or not? 2013-08-08T22:57:35 <+Steffanx> i guess it's legal... it's around for ages now 2013-08-08T22:57:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T22:57:48 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-08T22:57:49 <+Steffanx> in the us 2013-08-08T23:12:41 <@Tectu> is this really a proper native english sentence? "after a couple of very warm weeks it is time to think about our school programme" programme? what? 2013-08-08T23:14:12 < PaulFertser> British English? 2013-08-08T23:14:42 < PaulFertser> They like to borrow from those weird french :) 2013-08-08T23:19:36 <@Tectu> How’s the weather? vs. What’s the weather like? 2013-08-08T23:19:44 <@Tectu> aren't those both valid sentences? 2013-08-08T23:20:53 < zyp> is this homework? 2013-08-08T23:21:40 <@Tectu> no. Just got a mail from our new english teacher introducing herself 2013-08-08T23:21:46 <@Tectu> and it looks kinda weird 2013-08-08T23:21:49 <@Tectu> like the programme thing 2013-08-08T23:23:23 <@Tectu> that reminds me... homework starts in two weeks again :< 2013-08-08T23:23:54 < zyp> fun 2013-08-08T23:25:36 <@Tectu> I don't think so 2013-08-08T23:28:11 < Lt_Lemming> gah, I really hate STM's pinout listings >_< 2013-08-08T23:28:50 <@Tectu> Lt_Lemming, what's the matter? 2013-08-08T23:29:09 <@Tectu> Lt_Lemming, take a look at MicroXplorer, if you're planning anything. 2013-08-08T23:29:16 < Lt_Lemming> link? 2013-08-08T23:29:50 < zyp> pft, stm's pinout listings are nice 2013-08-08T23:30:02 < zyp> try lpc4300 pinout listings if you want something to hate 2013-08-08T23:30:30 <@Tectu> Lt_Lemming, just google it 2013-08-08T23:30:40 <@Tectu> Lt_Lemming, http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1533/PF251717 2013-08-08T23:30:57 <+Steffanx> windows only .. 2013-08-08T23:31:07 <+Steffanx> ( the setup ) 2013-08-08T23:33:03 < Lt_Lemming> thanks Tectu 2013-08-08T23:33:09 < arnonh> but its a nice tool atlist for plenning 2013-08-08T23:33:24 < Lt_Lemming> zyp, the one that annoyed me most so far was the FT232RQ datasheet 2013-08-08T23:33:39 < Lt_Lemming> it gives the pin numbers as though you are looking at the bottom of the chip... for a QFN part >_< 2013-08-08T23:35:04 < arnonh> its java you can run it anyware 2013-08-08T23:35:15 < arnonh> anywhere 2013-08-08T23:35:24 <@Tectu> Lt_Lemming, I have a .jar of it 2013-08-08T23:38:37 < Lt_Lemming> wow, just got that tool running 2013-08-08T23:38:42 < Lt_Lemming> that is actually a really nice tool 2013-08-08T23:38:53 < Lt_Lemming> being able to create custom pinmaps like that f'ing rocks 2013-08-08T23:43:54 < karlp> arnonh: you can run it anywhere.... once you run the windows binary to extract it... 2013-08-08T23:45:15 < Laurenceb_> damn nomnative determinism 2013-08-08T23:45:40 < Laurenceb_> paper with most references in my thesis is by Champion et al 2013-08-08T23:46:45 < Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism#Origin_and_meaning 2013-08-08T23:46:46 < Lt_Lemming> with the onboard serial board loader does it work in async mode or does it need hardware flow control to work? 2013-08-08T23:48:23 < karlp> wat? 2013-08-08T23:48:30 < karlp> just rx/tx/gnd dude. 2013-08-08T23:48:41 < karlp> who the hell uses hardware flowcontrol these days? 2013-08-08T23:49:12 < Lt_Lemming> asking because it's better to be safe than fucked 2013-08-08T23:49:32 < karlp> you could also read the bootloader design notes pdf instead of asking on irc ;) 2013-08-08T23:49:39 < karlp> (if you really want to be safe rather than fucked) 2013-08-08T23:49:52 < Lt_Lemming> asking here got me answer in <90 seconds 2013-08-08T23:50:11 < Lt_Lemming> rather than going and finding the pdf and spending 10 minutes reading it 2013-08-08T23:50:21 < karlp> reading the pdf would tell you the other things you can do though ;) 2013-08-08T23:50:49 < Lt_Lemming> true.dat, but I only needed to know this one thing right now 2013-08-08T23:51:17 < Lt_Lemming> because on the 64pin STM32F107 the pins for USART1 HFC and USB collide --- Day changed Fri Aug 09 2013 2013-08-09T00:04:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-09T00:11:27 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-09T00:13:09 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T00:16:53 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-09T00:18:16 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-09T00:36:28 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T01:29:46 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T01:43:12 < dongs> blogosphere 2013-08-09T01:45:30 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T01:45:57 < Lt_Lemming> morning dongie 2013-08-09T01:49:04 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T01:52:24 < Laurenceb_> www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HmJX11_AQE‎ 2013-08-09T01:52:30 < Laurenceb_> they made a song about my life 2013-08-09T01:57:28 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T02:17:54 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T02:18:14 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-09T02:20:07 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T02:21:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T02:21:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-09T02:21:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T02:24:06 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pisupply/pi-crust-easily-connect-electronics-to-your-raspbe?ref=category 2013-08-09T02:24:09 < dongs> what the hell is this garbage 2013-08-09T02:24:12 < dongs> ugh 2013-08-09T02:26:28 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T02:27:39 < englishman> $25 for that 2013-08-09T02:28:13 < englishman> almost as much as the pi itself? 2013-08-09T02:28:50 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@109.78.96.194] has quit [] 2013-08-09T02:28:52 < dongs> fucking useless 2013-08-09T02:29:30 < zyp> dongs, so I guess you put some money into that shit to shut down kickstarter? :p 2013-08-09T02:29:38 < dongs> hehe 2013-08-09T02:31:29 < Lt_Lemming> oh you have got to be joking 2013-08-09T02:31:38 < Lt_Lemming> that thing is such an insanely massive ripoff 2013-08-09T02:34:00 < Lt_Lemming> hey dongs, any idea on the tradeoff of using or not using RMII synch on the F107? 2013-08-09T02:34:17 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloud-guys/plug-the-brain-of-your-devices this scam still going 2013-08-09T02:34:35 -!- olasd [~olasd@pdpc/supporter/active/olasd] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-09T02:34:35 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sfen/able-hd-portable-hd-monitor-for-laptop-and-smartph hahaha 2013-08-09T02:34:47 < dongs> thats just fucking unbelievable 2013-08-09T02:34:54 < dongs> chinese $20 HDMI>LVDS adapter 2013-08-09T02:35:13 < dongs> at least hes onl asking $35 for the board. 2013-08-09T02:37:33 < zyp> «The Able-HD is three times slimmer than any LED monitor in the market.» 2013-08-09T02:37:40 < zyp> and thirty times more fragile 2013-08-09T02:42:13 -!- olasd [~olasd@pdpc/supporter/active/olasd] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T02:52:08 < dongs> haha 2013-08-09T02:57:15 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1821240043/pice-the-ultimate-case-for-your-raspberry-pi-and-c?ref=category 2013-08-09T02:57:19 < dongs> what the fuck 2013-08-09T02:58:51 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@124.sub-75-196-103.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T02:59:44 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-09T03:02:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T03:03:52 < zyp> I think they missed the «from all direction» part of the IP ratings 2013-08-09T03:04:52 < Lt_Lemming> lol 2013-08-09T03:07:28 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-231-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-09T03:24:35 < upgrdman> start trolling 'em from a young age http://i.imgur.com/8mFr50M.gif 2013-08-09T03:28:16 -!- izzy_ [~izzy84075@50.46.28.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-09T03:29:16 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@124.sub-75-196-103.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-09T03:30:26 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@124.sub-75-196-103.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T03:31:48 < dongs> did baird die 2013-08-09T03:32:27 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-09T03:38:23 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T03:38:35 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-09T03:51:38 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@124.sub-75-196-103.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-09T03:55:43 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T04:08:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-09T04:25:00 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.175] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T04:28:07 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-09T04:34:14 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T04:55:12 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-09T05:10:58 < upgrdman> anyone tried to use xcode for firmware dev? 2013-08-09T05:11:08 * upgrdman prepares for dongs' trolling 2013-08-09T05:11:17 < upgrdman> but seriously. anyone tried it? 2013-08-09T05:20:22 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-28-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T05:29:18 < dongs> is tehre anything preventing me from embedding bmp on board of a say devboard that I'm selling commercially? 2013-08-09T05:29:33 < dongs> jlinkOB pricing is retarded. 2013-08-09T05:29:41 < dongs> im not paying 1500eur for 100 licenses of their shit 2013-08-09T05:31:41 < upgrdman> open sores tho.... oh noes! 2013-08-09T05:31:45 < dongs> rite 2013-08-09T05:32:34 < dongs> or maybe i should use cmsis-dap.. 2013-08-09T05:33:04 < dongs> http://www.brc-electronics.nl/images/IMG110.jpg cool crystal 2013-08-09T05:35:58 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-28-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-09T05:41:13 < upgrdman> lol 2013-08-09T05:42:05 < upgrdman> is the metal can of a crystal like that connected to anything? or does it matter if it connected to anything (like a ground fill by accident...) 2013-08-09T05:45:45 < dongs> i heard its good to connect it to ground 2013-08-09T05:45:47 < dongs> for less noise 2013-08-09T05:45:57 < dongs> sometime on audiophile shit you see people soldering blobs on top of crystals 2013-08-09T05:45:59 < dongs> for that purpose 2013-08-09T05:53:46 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T05:53:59 < emeb> dongs: looks like BMP source/hw is GPL V3. AIUI you can include this in a project if you provide the source to your customers. 2013-08-09T05:54:47 < emeb> ie - note in your deliverables that source is available and provide it upon request. 2013-08-09T05:55:35 < emeb> since BMP is a separate chunk of SW from anything you're doing then it's unlikely to "contaminate" your code. 2013-08-09T05:55:44 < emeb> BUT... 2013-08-09T05:56:19 < emeb> no idea how the BMP hw design's license affects the system you integrate it into. That OSH stuff and I'm not sure how it works. 2013-08-09T05:56:30 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T05:56:51 < emeb> You could ping gsmcmullin - he might have some thoughts about it. 2013-08-09T05:59:21 < dongs> hardware is opensauce 2013-08-09T05:59:23 < dongs> i mean the shit its going into 2013-08-09T06:06:56 < emeb> well then that shouldn't be a problem. 2013-08-09T06:09:14 -!- izzy84075 [~izzy84075@50.46.28.160] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T06:09:59 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-09T06:12:14 -!- Inrelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T06:15:20 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T06:16:03 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T06:35:10 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-09T06:35:19 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T07:39:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/f550Fu2.jpg 2013-08-09T07:39:03 < dongs> hmm 2013-08-09T07:39:08 < dongs> i got these 2013 made F103s 2013-08-09T07:39:12 < dongs> e4 in circle 2013-08-09T07:39:15 < dongs> is that errata level? 2013-08-09T07:44:59 < dongs> hm 2013 week 20 2013-08-09T07:45:12 < dongs> shit thats like may 2013-08-09T08:08:37 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T08:09:50 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-09T08:12:24 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-09T08:23:49 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T08:23:56 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-09T08:24:46 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T08:26:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-09T08:27:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T08:27:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-09T08:29:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T08:29:39 <@Tectu> the STM32 internal pullups are not that strong, right? 2013-08-09T08:30:11 <@Tectu> I have a pin on an FPGA which is connected to a GPIO. The pin is active low and has no internal pullup on the FPGA side. Will this work out with the STM32 pullups or do I need external ones? 2013-08-09T08:38:33 < emeb_mac> STM32 pullups are about 50k IIRC 2013-08-09T08:38:41 < emeb_mac> shouldn't need more than that. 2013-08-09T08:39:09 < emeb_mac> unless you need fast risetimes, but the FPGA should be able to drive push/pull for faster speed. 2013-08-09T08:40:35 < dongs> emeb_mac: did u see my may 2013 F103 warez 2013-08-09T08:40:59 < emeb_mac> dongs the pix above of the huge tray of F103s? 2013-08-09T08:41:02 < dongs> y 2013-08-09T08:41:09 < dongs> font is diff 2013-08-09T08:41:10 < emeb_mac> yep. lotsa goodies 2013-08-09T08:41:12 < dongs> smaller 2013-08-09T08:41:21 < dongs> compared to ~4th week 2013 tray i got 2013-08-09T08:41:51 < emeb_mac> probably all counterfeit. :P 2013-08-09T08:42:12 < dongs> probvably 2013-08-09T08:42:57 < jpa-> they are really arduino chips just labelled as stm32 2013-08-09T08:43:38 < emeb_mac> reminds me of a few years back when Sparkfun got a smokin' deal on some qfp AVR chips. 2013-08-09T08:43:57 < emeb_mac> turned out to be like rejected ON Semi solenoid drivers or something. 2013-08-09T08:44:06 < dongs> yea 2013-08-09T08:44:13 < dongs> and then they tried to sell them. 2013-08-09T08:44:19 < dongs> typical faggotr.ty 2013-08-09T08:45:01 < emeb_mac> use 'em as test pkgs for pic-n-place 2013-08-09T08:46:24 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-09T08:52:27 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-09T08:55:10 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T09:00:30 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T09:06:23 <@Tectu> so... Vcore of FPGA is 1.2V. will it really mind if I give it 1.25V ? 2013-08-09T09:06:53 < jpa-> the datasheet will give you the limits 2013-08-09T09:08:09 < emeb_mac> datasheet for S3E says 1.26V max 2013-08-09T09:08:25 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.250.58] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T09:08:34 < jpa-> yeah, same for ICE65.. 1.14 - 1.26 2013-08-09T09:08:38 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-09T09:08:47 < jpa-> then you need to check what kind of voltages your 1.25V regulator will give 2013-08-09T09:09:17 < dongs> why not just power it with you kno, 1.2V 2013-08-09T09:09:33 < emeb_mac> yup - if you're up against the stops and then add a +/-5% uncertainty that could be bad. 2013-08-09T09:09:41 < R2COM> yeah power the shit in an appropriate way 2013-08-09T09:09:51 < R2COM> not a Sparkfun way 2013-08-09T09:09:53 < emeb_mac> overclocking 2013-08-09T09:11:00 < dongs> overclocking with aidsfruit 2013-08-09T09:11:37 <@Tectu> jpa-, well, the ICE40 datasheet says 1.42 but a friend of mine who worked a lot with these said 1.26V would be maximum 2013-08-09T09:11:57 <@Tectu> jpa-, and frankly I don't know who I should trust more since all the FPGAs seem to be +/-5% 2013-08-09T09:12:11 < jpa-> Tectu: are you looking at operating conditions or absolute maximums? 2013-08-09T09:12:12 < dongs> HELLO! THE FUCKING THING NEEDS 1.2. WHERE IS THE PROBLEM 2013-08-09T09:12:27 <@Tectu> jpa-, Absolute Maximum Ratings 2013-08-09T09:12:28 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.252.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T09:12:30 < jpa-> Tectu: well don't 2013-08-09T09:12:36 <@Tectu> jpa-, aah.. 2013-08-09T09:12:39 < jpa-> Tectu: no-one says that it will work at absolute maximums 2013-08-09T09:12:41 <@Tectu> jpa-, there's an operation table below 2013-08-09T09:12:44 < jpa-> yes 2013-08-09T09:12:49 < jpa-> learn to read datasheets :) 2013-08-09T09:13:06 <@Tectu> I should just learn to scroll ;) 2013-08-09T09:14:16 < R2COM> it gets trolly! I better go play a game 2013-08-09T09:14:23 < R2COM> KILLING FLOOR TIME 2013-08-09T09:17:02 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T09:30:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-09T09:32:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T09:38:47 < dongs> ohh 2013-08-09T09:38:52 < dongs> and also the ones I had before are made in china 2013-08-09T09:38:55 < dongs> these are from malyaysias 2013-08-09T09:39:01 < dongs> maybe thats why different font 2013-08-09T09:49:07 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@220.sub-75-196-122.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T09:49:48 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-09T10:02:11 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@220.sub-75-196-122.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-09T10:16:03 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T10:25:13 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T10:28:16 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-09T10:52:40 -!- [1]arnonh [~arnonh@188.120.137.156] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T10:53:16 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@240.186.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T10:55:54 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@94.230.89.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T10:56:37 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@37.46.43.254] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T10:56:48 -!- [1]arnonh [~arnonh@188.120.137.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-09T11:46:17 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T11:46:17 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-09T11:46:17 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T12:03:06 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@lns-bzn-49f-62-147-170-46.adsl.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T12:07:06 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-09T12:08:03 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-61-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T12:25:59 < karlp> dongs: yeah, we got different fonts on the revision W L1s we got vs the revision V parts or something. 2013-08-09T12:30:40 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T12:38:17 < dongs> I think just country 2013-08-09T12:47:39 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T12:48:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-09T12:58:27 < arnonh> http://www.espruino.com/ReferenceSTM32F4DISCOVERY 2013-08-09T12:58:46 < arnonh> http://www.espruino.com/Reference 2013-08-09T12:59:13 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T13:01:13 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-09T13:05:38 < karlp> can it be not interactive? 2013-08-09T13:08:19 < karlp> hang on, I have to pay to be able to save it? 2013-08-09T13:12:18 < arnonh> pay for what its only visual refernce i dnot use the JavaScript interpreter 2013-08-09T13:12:26 < arnonh> there 2013-08-09T13:13:57 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T13:15:09 < karlp> oh, ok, I didn't even look at that :) 2013-08-09T13:15:15 < karlp> yeah, those are nice diagrams :) 2013-08-09T13:15:42 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T13:15:49 < karlp> not entirely complete, but useful 2013-08-09T13:18:51 < zyp> more or less done with my first design in altium now 2013-08-09T13:21:20 < karlp> work or play? 2013-08-09T13:22:00 < zyp> work 2013-08-09T13:22:53 < zyp> rather simple stuff though, it's mostly just breaking out a board to board connector 2013-08-09T13:29:47 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-09T13:30:47 < zyp> dongs, oh, btw, I need this board fabbed, would you be willing? 2013-08-09T13:31:29 < zyp> I need on the order of ten boards or so 2013-08-09T13:31:40 < zyp> and stencil 2013-08-09T13:49:47 < dongs> sure 2013-08-09T13:49:53 < dongs> when is it done? pcb I can queue into todays order I think 2013-08-09T13:55:41 < dongs> < arnonh> http://www.espruino.com/ReferenceSTM32F4DISCOVERY 2013-08-09T13:55:46 < dongs> waht is this web 2.dong shit 2013-08-09T13:56:37 < arnonh> sorry forgot you where still using Lynx 2013-08-09T13:57:10 < dongs> well am i supposed to click on it and see stuff change 2013-08-09T13:57:11 < dongs> or wat 2013-08-09T13:57:56 < zyp> dongs, got a price estimate? board is 45x86mm or so, and I need something on the order of ten boards 2013-08-09T13:58:10 < arnonh> hover over it and see tooltips 2013-08-09T13:58:28 < dongs> zyp: 2L? 2013-08-09T13:58:33 < zyp> ah, yeah 2013-08-09T14:02:49 < dongs> if it goes with some order, cheap 2013-08-09T14:02:53 < dongs> but hwen is it done 2013-08-09T14:05:27 < zyp> depends on when I stop wasting time and finish it up, and figure out how to export gerbers from altium 2013-08-09T14:06:04 < dongs> do it 2013-08-09T14:06:14 < dongs> i just checked we have stuff already queud for monday 2013-08-09T14:07:52 < zyp> I might have time to dick up some private board during the weekend too (that HID stuff I were talking about before), would probably be nice to combine shipping 2013-08-09T14:08:24 < dongs> also depends how much space is avialable 2013-08-09T14:08:32 < zyp> I see 2013-08-09T14:08:37 < dongs> I2C has 7 bit addresses (and Espruino right-aligns these). Some datasheets and devices choose to left-align the address - hence the use of '0x32>>1' rather than just '0x32' 2013-08-09T14:08:41 < dongs> lol 2013-08-09T14:08:41 < zyp> what about stencils? 2013-08-09T14:09:14 < dongs> might be one too. 'd have to check 2013-08-09T14:14:05 < zyp> when do you need the gerbers? 2013-08-09T14:15:52 < dongs> before monday 2013-08-09T14:21:25 < qyx_> huh, my just-another bldc gimbal controller working \o/ 2013-08-09T14:22:32 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/MCVPCIH.jpg 2013-08-09T14:23:27 < qyx_> at least one motor driver 2013-08-09T14:38:27 < Laurenceb> interesting 2013-08-09T14:38:34 < Laurenceb> is that a cd drive motor? 2013-08-09T14:38:57 < Laurenceb> "please can you come to the office as your component has arrive" 2013-08-09T14:39:07 < Laurenceb> oh thanx thats real informative 2013-08-09T14:40:32 < Laurenceb> n00b squad... 2013-08-09T14:41:19 <+Steffanx> You know what you ordered and who send the email. what's the problem? 2013-08-09T14:42:56 < Laurenceb> i have loads of orders coming in at any one time 2013-08-09T14:43:21 < Laurenceb> i order for everyones projects as they are too incompetent to fill in the correct tax forms 2013-08-09T14:43:44 < Laurenceb> s/tax/avoid paying tax 2013-08-09T14:43:50 <+Steffanx> Or they just like to abuse you for it. It saves time :) 2013-08-09T14:44:23 < qyx_> Laurenceb: yep, i have plenty of them here so i used it for testing 2013-08-09T14:44:25 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@bas1-london15-1168017428.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T14:44:32 < qyx_> also 2013-08-09T14:44:50 < qyx_> i misused double low side n-mosfet drivers to drive n-p mosfet pair 2013-08-09T14:45:03 < qyx_> surprisingly working well on 12V 2013-08-09T14:48:10 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-09T14:49:47 < Laurenceb> have you seen the ravioli thingy? 2013-08-09T14:49:54 < Laurenceb> vr-gimbal 2013-08-09T14:59:28 < dongs> ravioli is a shithead 2013-08-09T14:59:51 < Laurenceb> well he does use arduino libs... 2013-08-09T15:00:00 < Laurenceb> hardware looks like of interesting 2013-08-09T15:00:08 < Laurenceb> s/like/kind 2013-08-09T15:00:59 < dongs> no its not 2013-08-09T15:01:03 < dongs> he just copied bullshit tarduino version 2013-08-09T15:01:07 < dongs> using the dumb ST drivers etc 2013-08-09T15:01:09 < dongs> no innovation 2013-08-09T15:01:10 < dongs> just faggotry 2013-08-09T15:01:13 < dongs> and commercial money grabbing 2013-08-09T15:01:17 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-08-09T15:01:20 < dongs> didnt he put that shti up on dicktarter? 2013-08-09T15:01:24 < dongs> he had something on dickstarter 2013-08-09T15:01:25 < dongs> i hope it failed 2013-08-09T15:01:28 < Laurenceb> oh lolz 2013-08-09T15:01:40 < dongs> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vr-brain-put-a-brain-in-your-drone 2013-08-09T15:01:41 < dongs> ya FUCKING FAILED 2013-08-09T15:01:43 < dongs> DIE FUCKER 2013-08-09T15:02:02 < Laurenceb> thats vrbrain 2013-08-09T15:02:06 < dongs> same trash 2013-08-09T15:05:52 < qyx_> hm, hardfault when i try to use sin 2013-08-09T15:06:17 < Laurenceb> you have sinned 2013-08-09T15:06:27 < Laurenceb> you are going intel 2013-08-09T15:07:47 < Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/15366/1375920208/fook.jpg 2013-08-09T15:08:44 -!- nighty^ [~nighty@lns-bzn-49f-62-147-170-46.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-09T15:13:52 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-09T15:16:25 < qyx_> actually it fails when i try to cast float to int 2013-08-09T15:16:34 < dongs> ur a hardfault 2013-08-09T15:27:08 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Tectu] by ChanServ 2013-08-09T15:28:30 < Gargantuasauce> qyx_: one possibility is that the function that's doing the casting is called using an implicit declaration 2013-08-09T15:29:37 < Gargantuasauce> or anything else that fucks up the stack, really 2013-08-09T15:35:33 < zyp> dongs, where do I send the gerbers? 2013-08-09T15:35:44 < Laurenceb> argggggg 2013-08-09T15:35:53 < Laurenceb> pcbtrain just epically fucked up my orders 2013-08-09T15:36:07 < Laurenceb> layers in the wrong order and utter clusterfucked mess 2013-08-09T15:36:11 < dongs> zyp: same as shitpal mail will work 2013-08-09T15:36:27 < dongs> Laurenceb: next time use mantrain 2013-08-09T15:36:28 < Laurenceb> what a load of n00bs 2013-08-09T15:36:33 < zyp> dongs, I kinda forgot what that was 2013-08-09T15:36:40 < Laurenceb> how could they not spot they had done it wrong 2013-08-09T15:37:33 < dongs> zyp, see /notice 2013-08-09T15:37:45 < zyp> also, how much was a stencil sheet? I might pay for one if you don't have anything else upcoming 2013-08-09T15:38:24 < dongs> 60bux for anything up to like 1/2m^2 2013-08-09T15:38:27 < zyp> this is paid shit after all, so I'm not the one paying 2013-08-09T15:38:31 < dongs> if you wanna panel a shitload of stuff in do it 2013-08-09T15:38:47 < dongs> if you wanan wait until there's a free opening then i can't guarantee when it happens 2013-08-09T15:39:16 < Laurenceb> im gunna have to start using dongspcb 2013-08-09T15:39:17 < zyp> $60 is cheap enough 2013-08-09T15:39:37 < Laurenceb> do you do 1.6mm 2 layer? 2013-08-09T15:39:47 < dongs> yeah? why not 2013-08-09T15:40:01 < Laurenceb> how much for ~5cm square? 2013-08-09T15:40:08 < dongs> if you're not riding on someone elses crap tho its relatively not cheap 2013-08-09T15:40:15 < Laurenceb> ah 2013-08-09T15:40:17 < dongs> like zyp is doing 2013-08-09T15:40:32 < Laurenceb> i may ring pcbtrain and shout 2013-08-09T15:40:38 < dongs> about the only place whre I'm beating china is production 2013-08-09T15:40:51 < dongs> so 1m^2 panel will be cheaper than your typical chinashitplace but 100x better quality 2013-08-09T15:41:21 < dongs> prototypes -> goto pcbmantrain 2013-08-09T15:41:24 < dongs> and have them fuck shit up 2013-08-09T15:43:04 < zyp> dongs, ok, sent gerbers 2013-08-09T15:43:36 < dongs> ok. so youw ant stencil for this shit, right? 2013-08-09T15:43:44 < zyp> yes 2013-08-09T15:43:46 < dongs> kk 2013-08-09T15:43:50 < dongs> will queue it for monday. 2013-08-09T15:43:51 < Laurenceb> lol this pcb is so fucked 2013-08-09T15:44:01 < Laurenceb> wtf did they do to the gerbers 2013-08-09T15:44:02 < zyp> I'll try to get other board done during weekend, so you can put that on same stencil 2013-08-09T15:44:02 < dongs> Its all my cault 2013-08-09T15:44:18 < dongs> sure. you can panel as many design as you want on it 2013-08-09T15:44:20 < Laurenceb> i think they mirrored the bottom 2013-08-09T15:44:32 < dongs> just give a mspaint of how you want it layout 2013-08-09T15:44:34 < Laurenceb> then routed for another design 2013-08-09T15:44:36 < dongs> spacing/wahtever 2013-08-09T15:44:45 < zyp> yes, except I don't have time to make that many designs :p 2013-08-09T15:44:46 < dongs> or you can just do a paste layer only gerber 2013-08-09T15:44:52 < dongs> well, i mean old shit or wahtever 2013-08-09T15:44:54 < dongs> just sayin 2013-08-09T15:44:56 < Laurenceb> paid over 100ukp for this 2013-08-09T15:45:17 < Laurenceb> wtf 2013-08-09T15:45:26 < Laurenceb> i just got trolled 2013-08-09T15:45:32 < dongs> thats more than what my prototype shit costs. 2013-08-09T15:45:34 < dongs> lols. 2013-08-09T15:45:41 < dongs> how many did you et? 2013-08-09T15:45:41 < dongs> get 2013-08-09T15:45:51 < Laurenceb> 5x5cm pcb 2013-08-09T15:45:57 < Laurenceb> just the one 2013-08-09T15:45:59 < dongs> yes but qty? 2013-08-09T15:46:00 < dongs> oh lawd. 2013-08-09T15:46:09 < Laurenceb> 4day delivery 2013-08-09T15:46:10 < dongs> here proto gives you around 10-12 boards 2013-08-09T15:46:13 < dongs> 2 days 2013-08-09T15:46:17 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-08-09T15:46:27 < zyp> by the way, you were talking about some 64-pin F3 trays 2013-08-09T15:46:33 < dongs> yes 2013-08-09T15:46:35 < dongs> got that 2013-08-09T15:46:39 < Laurenceb> looking at my gerbers... they dont look like what they shipped... 2013-08-09T15:46:52 < dongs> you need some or omsething> 2013-08-09T15:46:55 < dongs> tis the 64K version 2013-08-09T15:47:01 < zyp> the board I'm thinking about doing during weekend will be that 2013-08-09T15:47:03 < dongs> RBT6 or someshit 2013-08-09T15:47:25 < zyp> so if you have a good price on those, I'll take some of those as well 2013-08-09T15:48:10 < dongs> i forgot waht we paid.. i think it was around 4 or something? +- 2013-08-09T15:48:15 < dongs> way c heaper than digijew 2013-08-09T15:48:46 < zyp> anyway, we can discuss that before you ship shit 2013-08-09T15:48:50 < dongs> yep. 2013-08-09T15:48:53 -!- luke4 is now known as Luggi09 2013-08-09T15:49:23 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/gA5ptrP.png 2013-08-09T15:49:25 < Laurenceb> ^that 2013-08-09T15:49:31 < dongs> haha 2013-08-09T15:49:42 < Laurenceb> not exactly complex... 2013-08-09T15:49:48 < Laurenceb> how can you fuck that up 2013-08-09T15:49:57 < dongs> was that vcut or soemthign 2013-08-09T15:50:03 < Laurenceb> yes 2013-08-09T15:50:08 < Laurenceb> supposed to be 2013-08-09T15:50:17 < Laurenceb> failed at that too 2013-08-09T15:52:52 <+Steffanx> and now a photo of what you received Laurenceb ? 2013-08-09T15:54:26 < dongs> pics of what you got 2013-08-09T15:54:26 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-09T15:55:01 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-61-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-09T16:03:33 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/ENwxSzE.jpg 2013-08-09T16:03:36 < Laurenceb> failcamera 2013-08-09T16:06:24 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T16:09:29 <+Steffanx> lol Laurenceb. That's just terrible out of focus 2013-08-09T16:10:11 < Laurenceb> focus is jammed on my phone 2013-08-09T16:11:16 < trepidaciousMBR> give it a little knock against a table, but don't blame me if it breaks :) 2013-08-09T16:11:28 < trepidaciousMBR> I had an iphone 4 that used to jam, a little tap normally freed it 2013-08-09T16:11:45 < Laurenceb> ok 2013-08-09T16:11:46 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/09/arduino_powered_cubesats_arrive_at_iss_on_saturday/ 2013-08-09T16:11:48 < Laurenceb> wtfpcb 2013-08-09T16:12:29 < trepidaciousMBR> People like using arduinos for everything? 2013-08-09T16:13:35 <+Steffanx> trepidaciousMBR you have to agree ( i think ). Arduino is easy, even for people without too much knowledge.. 2013-08-09T16:13:45 < trepidaciousMBR> 0.1 inch header, nice... no need to be small and light, they are only sending it into SPACE! 2013-08-09T16:13:54 < Laurenceb> hmm i can see the lens moving 2013-08-09T16:14:14 < Laurenceb> but its returning to the middle.. wtf 2013-08-09T16:14:22 <+Steffanx> "beginning with simple experiments using cheap Arduino boards in their classroom" .. isn't that what arduino is 'good' for :) 2013-08-09T16:14:23 < Laurenceb> i see it focus to "macro" 2013-08-09T16:14:27 < Laurenceb> then return 2013-08-09T16:14:28 < trepidaciousMBR> Steffanx: Yup, I just hope that at some point the popularity is passed on to a more capable system, like STM32's running ChibiOS :) 2013-08-09T16:14:33 < Laurenceb> maybe im doing it wrong 2013-08-09T16:14:37 < karlp> detects a problem in the movement, tries to back away from the problem? 2013-08-09T16:15:16 < Laurenceb> dunno 2013-08-09T16:15:27 < trepidaciousMBR> It's a shame that the Arduino Due used an expensive and not that great Atmel chip, but probably not surprising given they must have had a lot of support from Atmel 2013-08-09T16:15:54 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-94-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T16:16:42 <+Steffanx> I still wonder is atmel is actively sponsoring arduino .. 2013-08-09T16:17:09 <+Steffanx> The arduino market is large, but is it still large compared to the 'industrial' market? 2013-08-09T16:17:10 < Laurenceb> 16 tarduiunos... 2013-08-09T16:17:35 < trepidaciousMBR> Maybe they hope to get people into the Atmel "ecosystem" who will then specify Atmel stuff for real projects 2013-08-09T16:17:47 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T16:17:59 < trepidaciousMBR> plus arduino stuff seems to be making its way into actual products, even if they are a bit kickstarter-y 2013-08-09T16:18:12 <+Steffanx> I wonder. When that happens people are 'smart' enough to look for other controllers as well. 2013-08-09T16:18:17 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2013-08-09T16:18:54 < trepidaciousMBR> Well in my case, I kind of like arduino for messing about and very simple hacky stuff, but for price/performance etc. I don't think I'd ever use an Atmel chip 2013-08-09T16:18:58 < trepidaciousMBR> so it didn't work ;) 2013-08-09T16:19:36 < Laurenceb> http://thefunnypicspage.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Whore.jpg 2013-08-09T16:19:57 < trepidaciousMBR> It's slightly annoying that Arduino means that crappy Atmel chips get a lot more open source attention, driver etc., where the same effort would have much bigger results if applied to better MCUs. 2013-08-09T16:20:08 < dongs> lol 2013-08-09T16:20:17 < dongs> the only "attention" tarduino brings is fucktards 2013-08-09T16:20:35 < trepidaciousMBR> Yeah a lot of the code is not great, but at least it's there... 2013-08-09T16:20:40 < Laurenceb> think ill email pcbtrain to bitch 2013-08-09T16:20:45 <+Steffanx> trepidaciousMBR, the chips aren't crappy. Just less usefull for certain tasks :P 2013-08-09T16:20:50 < Laurenceb> if i phone ill end up shouting at them 2013-08-09T16:20:51 < trepidaciousMBR> You're probably right, example code I've actually looked at is not great 2013-08-09T16:20:59 < dongs> Laurenceb: pics of fail 2013-08-09T16:21:00 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb, do that. 2013-08-09T16:21:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ENwxSzE.jpg ???????????? 2013-08-09T16:21:09 < dongs> WHAT TEH FUCK IS THSI 2013-08-09T16:21:11 <+Steffanx> i mean, phone that. 2013-08-09T16:21:13 <+Steffanx> *them 2013-08-09T16:21:49 <+Steffanx> Record the conversation and share it with us. 2013-08-09T16:21:57 < Laurenceb> heh 2013-08-09T16:22:10 <+Steffanx> Not going to happen i guess. 2013-08-09T16:22:13 < trepidaciousMBR> Steffanx: Atmega 328 is about $3, with all of its 16MHz.... doesn't seem like great value for money. 2013-08-09T16:22:26 <+Steffanx> Perhaps, but it's not 'crappy' ;0 2013-08-09T16:22:28 <+Steffanx> *;) 2013-08-09T16:22:38 < dongs> trepidaciousMBR: STM32F103CBT6 is $2 2013-08-09T16:22:41 < trepidaciousMBR> Steffanx: I'm sure it was great many years ago :) 2013-08-09T16:23:23 <+Steffanx> And a 328p is more like ~$1.3-1.4 2013-08-09T16:23:31 < dongs> right 2013-08-09T16:23:33 < dongs> but its still shit 2013-08-09T16:23:36 < trepidaciousMBR> I was looking at 1-off prices 2013-08-09T16:23:43 < dongs> fuck, a $0.30 STM8S003 beats failmega328 2013-08-09T16:23:47 < dongs> in pin-for-pin package 2013-08-09T16:24:46 < trepidaciousMBR> I looked at the AT91SAM3X8E just because it's on the Due, and it's more expensive and much lower performance than an STM32F4, I wish they'd used that for the Due. 2013-08-09T16:24:50 <+Steffanx> ok, then it's still 'only' 2.4 trepidaciousMBR :P 2013-08-09T16:25:06 < trepidaciousMBR> Steffanx: I just got the first price from Digikey 2013-08-09T16:25:18 <+Steffanx> me too 2013-08-09T16:25:27 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T16:25:34 < trepidaciousMBR> Dammit, so they HAVE installed some kind of filter to identify and price gouge me ;) 2013-08-09T16:25:49 <+Steffanx> or do i see euro prices 2013-08-09T16:25:51 <+Steffanx> argh 2013-08-09T16:26:01 < trepidaciousMBR> There's a little select thing for currency 2013-08-09T16:26:10 <+Steffanx> digikey i go to digikey.com for a reason. 2013-08-09T16:26:31 < trepidaciousMBR> Yeah it's odd, that gives me USD, digikey.co.uk gives me GBP as expected. 2013-08-09T16:26:51 <+Steffanx> i ended up on .nl somehow. Anyway, you are right :) 2013-08-09T16:27:43 < trepidaciousMBR> I enjoy complaining, but it's nice that there is ANY open source popular dev board, and lots of people using it 2013-08-09T16:28:25 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-09T16:28:28 <+Steffanx> You found the right channel to complain :) 2013-08-09T16:29:41 < dongs> trepidaciousMBR: sounds like you wanna give these fucks some casH http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm 2013-08-09T16:29:49 < karlp> stm8s has got what, sdcc for a compiler? 2013-08-09T16:29:55 < karlp> or windows only $ tools? 2013-08-09T16:29:59 < karlp> not sure that really beats avr-libc 2013-08-09T16:29:59 < dongs> karlp: nope, I think only commercial 2013-08-09T16:30:02 < dongs> free cosmic 32k one 2013-08-09T16:30:08 < dongs> um, it does. 2013-08-09T16:30:18 < dongs> peripherals wise STM8 absolutely rapes AVR 2013-08-09T16:30:24 < dongs> its basically same peripherals as STM32 2013-08-09T16:30:26 < dongs> minus DMA 2013-08-09T16:30:27 < trepidaciousMBR> STM8 isn't really great for new designs is it? 2013-08-09T16:30:31 < dongs> and some STM8 evne has DMA too 2013-08-09T16:30:34 < dongs> yes it is? 2013-08-09T16:30:41 < trepidaciousMBR> Aren't they trying to replace with cheap STM32s? 2013-08-09T16:30:56 < dongs> we're about to buy like 10k STM8S003 for a project 2013-08-09T16:31:03 < dongs> they're $.27 at that qty 2013-08-09T16:31:09 < karlp> they still sell the stm8l for uberlow power too, 2013-08-09T16:31:11 < dongs> no, i don't think you can replace that with a cheap stm32 2013-08-09T16:31:14 < trepidaciousMBR> Ah right, at that price that makes sense :) 2013-08-09T16:31:21 < karlp> and stm8 comes in smaller and cheaper than stm32 2013-08-09T16:31:26 < dongs> yep 2013-08-09T16:31:30 < dongs> this one is 3x3 QFN 2013-08-09T16:31:45 < trepidaciousMBR> Cool 2013-08-09T16:32:01 < trepidaciousMBR> I've only looked at the highest end stuff in detail, since we needed DCMI etc. 2013-08-09T16:32:36 < Thorn> what C compilers are available for stm8 (not including $9,000 ones) 2013-08-09T16:32:53 < dongs> Thorn: like i said, free 32k cosmic from some french fags. 2013-08-09T16:33:04 < dongs> if you have more than 32k flash in a 8bit project, then y ou don't need 8bit mcu 2013-08-09T16:36:48 < Thorn> up to 128Kb flash? 2013-08-09T16:37:05 < dongs> stm8? sure 2013-08-09T16:37:07 < Thorn> not bad for 8 bits 2013-08-09T16:40:19 < Laurenceb> like dons said 2013-08-09T16:40:28 < Laurenceb> >32Kb is stupid 2013-08-09T16:40:38 < Laurenceb> id say >16Kb 2013-08-09T16:40:48 < Laurenceb> but then ive only ever used avr 8 bit 2013-08-09T16:41:00 < Laurenceb> you could probably do more with stm8 2013-08-09T16:41:24 < Laurenceb> >atmega168 is just for ardutard n00bs 2013-08-09T16:42:10 < Laurenceb> ive only ever seen attiny10 used in serious projects 2013-08-09T16:43:31 < Laurenceb> bitching email set to pcbtrain... 2013-08-09T16:43:48 < Laurenceb> "I expect replacement PCB ASAP" :P 2013-08-09T16:44:15 <+Steffanx> That's not how Laurenceb sends emails. 2013-08-09T16:44:31 <+Steffanx> *writes 2013-08-09T16:52:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-94-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T16:53:38 < Laurenceb> dont worry i added some trollface 2013-08-09T16:54:34 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-94-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T16:56:52 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm 2013-08-09T16:56:54 < dongs> "This is the company used by Sparkfun when they didn't have the PCB production service, so we are pretty sure the quality of the manufacture is good." 2013-08-09T16:57:22 < Laurenceb> anything is better than pcbtrain 2013-08-09T16:58:03 < dongs> Laurenceb: i'll redo your boards for same price you paid to mantrain 2013-08-09T16:58:15 < dongs> (and they'll actually work) 2013-08-09T16:58:28 < dongs> unless my cam guy looks at your gerbers and goes "WTF IS THIS DUDE DOING" 2013-08-09T17:00:07 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/2/2e/Really-gay-costume.jpg 2013-08-09T17:00:11 < Laurenceb> that guy? 2013-08-09T17:00:31 < dongs> whats the psoter behind him 2013-08-09T17:00:45 < dongs> lol i jsut watched the fucking matchcocksarm video 2013-08-09T17:00:46 < Laurenceb> spy kids 2013-08-09T17:01:03 < dongs> all they show is fucking shit srcolling some garbage on trashy monochrome lcd 2013-08-09T17:01:08 < dongs> and demonstrating thier"bootloader" 2013-08-09T17:01:11 < dongs> which takes up 10kbyte sof flash 2013-08-09T17:01:15 < dongs> on a 64k device 2013-08-09T17:01:27 < dongs> pretty sure USB mass storage bootloader was posted on ST forums years ago 2013-08-09T17:01:39 < dongs> who gives a fuck about arm board w/o debugger on it 2013-08-09T17:01:43 < Laurenceb> 2008 or something 2013-08-09T17:01:44 < dongs> i wonder if those idiots evne bothered breaking out SWD 2013-08-09T17:01:45 < dongs> probably nto 2013-08-09T17:03:41 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/753/457/ec0598e72b733b60b2b2e0d3bff072af_large.jpg?1374038453 2013-08-09T17:03:47 < dongs> im too lazy to see if swd is broken out 2013-08-09T17:04:01 < dongs> Prototypes of MatchboxARM, some with over 7 months of testing, demonstrate the ruggedness and reliability of the platform. MatchboxARM has been subjected to mechanical torture testing, continuous power supply short circuits and thermal stress. 2013-08-09T17:04:06 < dongs> ?????????????? 2013-08-09T17:04:06 < karlp> teensy3 is probably better and already done and working if you don't want/need swd 2013-08-09T17:04:32 < dongs> teensy has a pile of its own problems, from being closedsores commercial filth, but yeah. 2013-08-09T17:04:41 < dongs> 1:1 compare it beats the fuck out of this thing 2013-08-09T17:04:46 < dongs> tehy actualyl tlak shit about teensy in comments 2013-08-09T17:04:50 < dongs> how it has "holes all around the board" 2013-08-09T17:04:53 < dongs> and "doesnt look neat" 2013-08-09T17:05:00 < dongs> yeaman making a fucking STM32 breakout takes SO MUCH EFFORT 2013-08-09T17:05:04 < dongs> i could shit one out in liek 15 minutes 2013-08-09T17:05:07 < dongs> including hitting "autoroute" 2013-08-09T17:05:35 < dongs> htey never show the fucking back of it 2013-08-09T17:05:44 < dongs> now im gonna trace the pcb and see if they broke jhtag out 2013-08-09T17:06:52 <+Steffanx> have fun. 2013-08-09T17:07:34 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T17:07:49 < Laurenceb> jihadtag 2013-08-09T17:09:57 <+Steffanx> I would've expected more something like "gaytag" .. 2013-08-09T17:10:05 < Laurenceb> http://www.sickipedia.org/joke/view/other/joke-1497818 2013-08-09T17:10:43 < dongs> AHAHAHAH 2013-08-09T17:10:45 < dongs> THEY HAVE 2013-08-09T17:10:48 < dongs> SWD 2013-08-09T17:10:52 < dongs> going to "PA14" pin 2013-08-09T17:11:07 < dongs> probably going to blog how its an ADC input 2013-08-09T17:11:26 < dongs> so uh yeah 2013-08-09T17:11:30 < dongs> they just have it going to edge of board 2013-08-09T17:11:33 < dongs> congratulations. 2013-08-09T17:11:51 < dongs> i think what I'll do when they release their srhit 2013-08-09T17:11:55 < dongs> is take their bootloader 2013-08-09T17:11:57 <+Steffanx> Are you still talking about this armboxthing? 2013-08-09T17:11:58 < dongs> and use it in commercial projects 2013-08-09T17:12:09 < dongs> Steffanx: yeah. 2013-08-09T17:12:25 < dongs> Steffanx: one of hteir dudes got real defensive on a forum 2013-08-09T17:12:28 < dongs> where his shit was linked to 2013-08-09T17:12:45 < dongs> so i told him like it is 2013-08-09T17:24:06 < karlp> link? 2013-08-09T17:41:31 < Laurenceb> mantrain: "I will forward this to our Production / Quality Manager" 2013-08-09T17:41:49 < Laurenceb> then no moar emails... i think they went home early 2013-08-09T17:43:34 <+Steffanx> Special link for Laurenceb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzNzylF33HM 2013-08-09T17:44:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-09T17:44:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1M5Q3onsX4 2013-08-09T17:46:31 <+Steffanx> 192.168.178.222 2013-08-09T17:46:35 <+Steffanx> oops, window fial. 2013-08-09T17:48:57 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-94-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-09T17:51:24 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-09T17:51:42 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T17:55:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-09T17:57:38 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-30-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T17:57:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-09T18:06:08 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/TjKvTXR.jpg 2013-08-09T18:07:09 <+Steffanx> Was it a nice ride Laurenceb? 2013-08-09T18:15:03 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@2.sub-75-244-141.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T18:15:59 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-09T18:17:35 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-09T18:23:31 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T18:30:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-30-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T18:38:58 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@adsl-ull-25-57.47-151.net24.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T18:40:28 -!- DanteA [~X@host-23-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T18:45:06 -!- DanteA [~X@host-23-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T19:01:35 < Laurenceb> "PCB Train for PCB manufacture and printed circuits assembly, for online PCB quotes and order submission, for prototype and production PCBs, for UL and BS EN ISO 9001 quality approval" 2013-08-09T19:01:38 < Laurenceb> epic lolling 2013-08-09T19:06:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T19:07:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T19:08:12 <+Steffanx> Would be funny if someone from pcbtrain is just in here and is trolling Laurenceb :P 2013-08-09T19:09:05 < Laurenceb> lolz 2013-08-09T19:09:21 < Laurenceb> aha they replied 2013-08-09T19:09:28 < Laurenceb> free replacements by courier :P 2013-08-09T19:10:00 <+Steffanx> 24 hour delivery? 2013-08-09T19:11:44 < Laurenceb> nah 2013-08-09T19:11:46 < Laurenceb> monday 2013-08-09T19:13:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.203.97] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T19:15:29 < zyp> hmm 2013-08-09T19:15:59 < Laurenceb> apparently they clusterfucked an entire panel 2013-08-09T19:17:00 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-118-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T19:17:08 < zyp> for a board hooked to physical switches by wires of up to half a meter or so, would you guys bother with discrete pullups, or just use the built in ones? 2013-08-09T19:17:31 < Laurenceb> and my last set of boards weren't etched correctly - half the tracks were shorted 2013-08-09T19:17:44 < Laurenceb> zyp: depends of the EMI 2013-08-09T19:19:18 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@adsl-ull-25-57.47-151.net24.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T19:19:51 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-118-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-09T19:22:26 < BJfreeman> the one I use http://www.sunstone.com/PCBExpress_Sunstone.aspx 2013-08-09T19:22:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-09T19:24:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.203.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-09T19:25:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T19:40:21 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-09T19:47:54 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@adsl-ull-248-221.46-151.net24.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T20:12:28 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@2.sub-75-244-141.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T20:15:03 -!- BJfreeman is now known as Guest81286 2013-08-09T20:15:10 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-09T20:15:17 -!- Guest81286 [~bjfree@2.sub-75-244-141.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-09T20:20:54 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@adsl-ull-248-221.46-151.net24.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-09T20:31:51 < zyp> ok, I love how windows just crashed and how my altium schematic is now corrupt 2013-08-09T20:32:50 < zyp> seems like both the last save and the autobackup of the previous save is broken 2013-08-09T20:33:07 < gxti> filesystems r hard 2013-08-09T20:34:06 < zyp> I thought windows was going to make me so productive 2013-08-09T20:34:38 < emeb> If you're having problems with Windows that's just your imagination. 2013-08-09T20:35:19 < zyp> obviously, I must just have imagined drawing a lot of stuff that's not in the schematic now 2013-08-09T20:37:39 < emeb> I love how when I unplug a USB device from one port on my Win 7 machine and then plug it into a different port it stops working. 2013-08-09T20:38:12 < gxti> in windows every port is a unique and special snowflake 2013-08-09T20:38:30 < emeb> it's a feature! 2013-08-09T20:38:33 < zyp> ok, this is even more fun 2013-08-09T20:38:45 < zyp> every time I try opening the footprint library in altium, windows crashes again 2013-08-09T20:39:13 < emeb> reproducible bug. that's an improvement 2013-08-09T20:53:53 < Gargantuasauce> sorry we can only accept the fallibility of foss, if it's closed sauce then it's user error 2013-08-09T20:54:13 < gxti> you probably put some open sores software on there and now it's ruined 2013-08-09T20:54:23 < gxti> try again with real pro softwares 2013-08-09T20:59:46 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@37.46.43.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-09T21:02:13 <+Steffanx> windows what zyp? 2013-08-09T21:02:14 <+Steffanx> 7? 2013-08-09T21:02:44 <+Steffanx> Isn't Altium specifying which hw etc you should use? Just like SolidWorks and crap. 2013-08-09T21:04:41 < zyp> dunno 2013-08-09T21:05:25 < zyp> (oh, and windows is running in vmware, but don't tell dongs that) 2013-08-09T21:06:19 -!- Inrelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-09T21:09:06 < zyp> anyway, apart from requiring windows, altium is pretty nice to work with 2013-08-09T21:09:34 < gxti> yes 2013-08-09T21:11:03 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T21:12:34 <+Steffanx> heh, zyp.. in a vm ;) 2013-08-09T21:13:23 <+Steffanx> I had to work with SolidWorks some uni stuff. For me.. ( on my mac ) it worked BETTER and faster in a VM then using bootcamp 2013-08-09T21:13:36 < zyp> which software? 2013-08-09T21:13:49 <+Steffanx> you mean the vm? 2013-08-09T21:13:52 < zyp> yes 2013-08-09T21:13:57 <+Steffanx> VMware fusion 2013-08-09T21:14:03 < zyp> ah, same 2013-08-09T21:14:08 <+Steffanx> I even paid for it. 2013-08-09T21:14:19 < zyp> so have I, so this shit should be working :p 2013-08-09T21:15:19 < ds2> is solidworks DX or OGL? 2013-08-09T21:17:33 <+Steffanx> iirc that depends on the mode you use. 2013-08-09T21:17:43 <+Steffanx> You can choose what to use, but it's a while ago i had to use it 2013-08-09T21:18:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.202.110] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T21:19:52 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T21:20:43 < ds2> I see 2013-08-09T21:20:48 < ds2> what did you use with vmware? 2013-08-09T21:21:40 <+Steffanx> I think DX. 2013-08-09T21:21:56 <+Steffanx> but it's a while ago, so it could've been something else :) 2013-08-09T21:23:16 <+Steffanx> but it was probably some driver issue... weird 'custom' nvidia stuff you get for free in bootcamp. 2013-08-09T21:26:57 < ds2> I am looking at a way of running ALibre on Linux 2013-08-09T21:27:04 < ds2> so not quite trying to replicate SW 2013-08-09T21:29:11 <+Steffanx> hmm, ALibre is still quite expensive for being "hobby design" software 2013-08-09T21:29:58 <+Steffanx> In terms of what the average hobby bobby guy likes to spend on software. 2013-08-09T21:32:35 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@2.sub-75-244-141.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-09T21:56:14 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-09T22:01:10 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T22:21:32 < zyp> hmm, F3 supports USB in ROM bootloader, but I don't think I'll bother with that 2013-08-09T22:22:21 < karlp> wasn't it f3 that had the "errata" that emeb found? 2013-08-09T22:22:26 < karlp> only some of them have the usb bootloadeR? 2013-08-09T22:22:33 < zyp> that was F37x, this is F30x 2013-08-09T22:22:41 < karlp> well, you did only say F3 :) 2013-08-09T22:22:51 < zyp> and I believe F37x ships with correct bootloader nowadays 2013-08-09T22:23:13 < emeb> That's my understanding too. 2013-08-09T22:23:27 <+Steffanx> I believe that because you were the one who said that :) 2013-08-09T22:23:40 < emeb> I've got a recent F373 standing by to try out soon. 2013-08-09T22:23:43 < zyp> anyway, I figure I want a bootloader on this, but I don't think I'll bother with the built in one 2013-08-09T22:24:05 < emeb> maybe use the BMP one? 2013-08-09T22:25:11 < zyp> this is HID stuff so I'm thinking about trigging bootloader by a pattern of pressed buttons at startup 2013-08-09T22:25:42 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T22:25:48 < emeb> makes sense 2013-08-09T22:26:09 < zyp> and I'm a bit tempted to make it use HID for bootloading as well, to simplify stuff on windows 2013-08-09T22:26:55 < emeb> then you need to make a custom app to send the firmware via HID tho. 2013-08-09T22:27:22 < zyp> sure, hidapi looks nice and easy enough 2013-08-09T22:27:59 < zyp> actually, I've been thinking about making a dual-mode bootloader that supports both HID and DFU 2013-08-09T22:28:18 < zyp> if I make the HID command set mimic the DFU command set, that should be pretty easy 2013-08-09T22:28:30 < emeb> don't remember - is the BMP bootloader DFU? 2013-08-09T22:28:34 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-09T22:28:36 < zyp> unless the DFU spec says I can't have any other interfaces in DFU mode 2013-08-09T22:28:37 < zyp> yep 2013-08-09T22:29:19 < zyp> either way the protocols are so simple that I'll just write my own bootloader rather than adapting one for my use 2013-08-09T22:29:38 < emeb> NIH :P 2013-08-09T22:31:25 < zyp> the problem with bootloaders is that replacing them without jtag/swd is pretty hard (or easy to fuck up), so they better work correctly when shit ships 2013-08-09T22:31:52 < emeb> *nod* 2013-08-09T22:31:53 < zyp> not that I'm intending to ship this far in the first place 2013-08-09T22:33:45 < zyp> just got a couple of friends that's interested, so worst case is that I bring a debugger along for a visit :p 2013-08-09T22:33:55 < Laurenceb_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/TPMM_transition_mech.jpg 2013-08-09T22:34:03 < Laurenceb_> "hobby shop" ?? lulwut 2013-08-09T22:42:12 < Laurenceb_> wonder if there is an ISO standard for that 2013-08-09T22:45:45 <+Steffanx> there is an ISO standard for everything.. 2013-08-09T22:46:07 < Laurenceb_> *cough* pcbtrain 2013-08-09T22:46:18 < Laurenceb_> ISO9001 is clearly a standard for epic fail 2013-08-09T22:47:33 < Laurenceb_> clearly this didnt help them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_Six_Sigma 2013-08-09T22:47:37 < Laurenceb_> whod have thunk it 2013-08-09T22:48:37 < Laurenceb_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/A1_House_of_Quality.png 2013-08-09T22:48:39 < Laurenceb_> OMG 2013-08-09T23:00:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.202.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-09T23:33:49 < zyp> dongs, I know you'll enjoy this: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2046232/top-opensource-pcs.html 2013-08-09T23:34:43 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@37.46.43.254] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-09T23:37:53 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@115.23.228.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-09T23:47:43 < emeb> Finally built up one of the STM32F373 breakouts with a late-rev part. USB DFU works just fine. 2013-08-09T23:48:46 < zyp> then that's confirmed again --- Day changed Sat Aug 10 2013 2013-08-10T00:07:29 < Laurenceb_> HOUSE OF QUALITY 2013-08-10T00:07:43 < Laurenceb_> clearly its working 2013-08-10T00:12:15 * Laurenceb_ is writing bullshit business proposals 2013-08-10T00:13:16 < zyp> DFU spec says «These are the only descriptors that the device may expose after reconfiguration. The reason is to prevent any other device drivers from being loaded by the host operating system.» about the DFU descriptors 2013-08-10T00:13:58 < zyp> so adding HID as well would make it sort of out of spec 2013-08-10T00:14:54 < zyp> though, loading both HID and DFU drivers won't hurt or go against the intention of that statement 2013-08-10T00:15:02 < zyp> and in reality it shouldn't matter 2013-08-10T00:16:32 < emeb> Tried out DFUse. Interesting. 2013-08-10T00:16:36 < zyp> I both expect dfu-util to ignore the HID interface and OSes to load whatever drivers hidapi need for HID 2013-08-10T00:16:48 < emeb> prolly 2013-08-10T00:17:57 < emeb> DFUse only seems to recognize .dfu files. There's an app to convert bin/hex/etc into .dfu. I did that with a .bin file, then used the demo app to send it over. Worked fine. 2013-08-10T00:18:26 < Laurenceb_> i just used the openmoko stuff 2013-08-10T00:18:29 < zyp> that's sane 2013-08-10T00:18:34 < Laurenceb_> is that DFUse? 2013-08-10T00:18:43 < zyp> no, DFUse is ST 2013-08-10T00:18:45 <+dekar> dfu-util works fine with .bin files 2013-08-10T00:18:47 < Laurenceb_> ah 2013-08-10T00:18:54 < zyp> dfu-util also works with .dfu files 2013-08-10T00:18:59 < Laurenceb_> openmoko works for me 2013-08-10T00:19:16 < zyp> the .dfu format is defined in the DFU spec, it's just a footer containing vid/pid and stuff like that 2013-08-10T00:19:29 <+dekar> dfu-util is the openmoko thing, and it's awesome :) 2013-08-10T00:19:40 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats the name 2013-08-10T00:19:44 < Laurenceb_> while since i used it 2013-08-10T00:20:12 < zyp> crc and filelength to check the file itself, vid/pid/version to find the device to flash it to 2013-08-10T00:20:12 < Laurenceb_> but it worked first time, nice and easy 2013-08-10T00:20:36 < zyp> the payload of a .dfu file is not defined and can be whatever 2013-08-10T00:21:01 < zyp> i.e. it doesn't have to be a plain flash binary, like it commonly is 2013-08-10T00:21:54 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:d8b1:53d8:e339:5f5e] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T00:22:26 < zyp> I'm thinking about adding a header so the bootloader can verify that the file contents was meant for it 2013-08-10T00:24:18 <+dekar> I was thinking about moving the interrupt vector a bit and adding a hash and some meta information in front of the firmware 2013-08-10T00:24:34 < zyp> exactly 2013-08-10T00:24:38 < emeb> huh - dfu-util 0.7 is already in the fedora rpm repo. cool. 2013-08-10T00:25:22 <+dekar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/Screen%20Shot%202013-07-12%20at%2011.04.27%20AM.png 2013-08-10T00:25:43 <+dekar> windows update has everything :D 2013-08-10T00:25:57 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@37.46.43.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-10T00:26:41 <+Steffanx> lol dekar ?! 2013-08-10T00:26:50 <+Steffanx> nevermind 2013-08-10T00:26:55 <+dekar> it's actually just the generic HID driver ;) 2013-08-10T00:27:10 < zyp> and a device with a funky name 2013-08-10T00:27:28 <+dekar> yeah fun with the product descriptor :) 2013-08-10T00:27:39 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-10T00:27:40 <+Steffanx> Yes, that's why i said 'nevermind' :P 2013-08-10T00:28:46 < emeb> dfu-util worked too. Needed to specify --alt 0 --dfuse-address 0x08000000 -D , but otherwise simple. 2013-08-10T00:28:49 <+dekar> I had to implement a feature allowing rebranding of the product 2013-08-10T00:35:12 <+dekar> zyp, I'd recommend libtomcrypt for hashing on the stm32f1, using the tiger algorithm it was stupidly fast and sha256 still finished hashing the flash in about 200ms 2013-08-10T00:36:33 < zyp> I'm not too interested in hashing 2013-08-10T00:37:50 < zyp> by the time you can confirm whether the hash is correct or not, you will probably have written most of it to flash already 2013-08-10T00:38:26 < zyp> unless you're planning to restrict yourself to images you can buffer completely before writing 2013-08-10T00:40:40 < gxti> it's still better than silently booting crap 2013-08-10T00:43:01 < zyp> there is already a crc in the .dfu footer, that's supposed to be verified on the host side 2013-08-10T00:48:09 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:d8b1:53d8:e339:5f5e] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 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[~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T02:13:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T02:13:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-10T02:13:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T02:29:21 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-10T02:29:48 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T02:50:56 <+dekar> zyp, I plan to have my bootloader check the firmware before booting, just as a measure to prevent if from bricking in case of wrong data of any kind 2013-08-10T02:51:13 < Laurenceb_> or for TiVoing it 2013-08-10T02:51:30 < zyp> that shouldn't be necessary 2013-08-10T02:52:21 <+dekar> I guess, but as you said, checking the whole firmware in ram isn't possible :/ 2013-08-10T02:52:30 < Laurenceb_> finally 2013-08-10T02:52:32 < Laurenceb_> http://alaskafisheries.noaa.gov/sustainablefisheries/sslmc/july-06/ahptutorial.pdf 2013-08-10T02:52:44 < Laurenceb_> an explanation that isnt full of management BS 2013-08-10T02:52:48 <+dekar> also it's fast enough :) 2013-08-10T02:53:19 < zyp> the bootloader will always run first after reset and test for some entry condition, so unless the bootloader itself is destroyed, bricking is not possible 2013-08-10T02:54:27 <+dekar> zyp, my bootloader doesn't even turn on usb unless put in a special mode. 2013-08-10T02:54:39 < zyp> of course 2013-08-10T02:54:51 < Laurenceb_> hehe "special" mode 2013-08-10T02:55:23 < zyp> what I meant by entry condition is the condition for entering that special mode 2013-08-10T02:55:55 < zyp> what I'm thinking is that my bootloader will set up some gpios, then check them, and if they are in a given pattern, it will enter the bootloader 2013-08-10T02:56:08 < zyp> otherwise it will boot the application 2013-08-10T02:56:27 < zyp> so the only peripherals touched before deciding to boot would be gpio 2013-08-10T02:58:30 <+dekar> it's probably not necessary, but I'd like the bootloader not to boot the firmware if there was for example a bad flash page 2013-08-10T03:00:13 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/3Cbm1 <- I threw together some simple code answering DFU_GETSTATUS and DFU_DNLOAD, seems to be enough 2013-08-10T03:00:29 < dongs> sup dongs 2013-08-10T03:00:39 < dongs> lol top opensource pcs 2013-08-10T03:00:43 < dongs> oh that dumb i.mx trash 2013-08-10T03:00:55 < zyp> no i.mx 2013-08-10T03:01:05 < dongs> h top pic looked like that chumby trash 2013-08-10T03:01:56 < zyp> I didn't look much at the pics, was too busy laughing of the text 2013-08-10T03:01:59 < dongs> These PCs have open designs that can be replicated by other hardware companies, are inexpensive to manufacture as components get smaller and can run Android, Ubuntu and other flavors of Linux. 2013-08-10T03:02:00 <+dekar> zyp, nice :) though why would you want to use DFU if you also have HID? 2013-08-10T03:02:04 < dongs> ????????????????????? 2013-08-10T03:02:07 < dongs> shitberrypi gerbers arent even open 2013-08-10T03:02:23 < dongs> never mind actual layout 2013-08-10T03:02:42 < zyp> dekar, dunno, because I'm weird like that 2013-08-10T03:03:06 < Laurenceb_> yeah wtf 2013-08-10T03:03:14 < Laurenceb_> hardly any of that stuff is opensource 2013-08-10T03:03:31 < dongs> are beagleboner design files open? 2013-08-10T03:03:32 < Laurenceb_> i just discovered sharknado is a real film 2013-08-10T03:03:34 < dongs> no also right? 2013-08-10T03:03:39 < Laurenceb_> have to watch this NOW 2013-08-10T03:03:57 < zyp> dekar, I figure that I might want to do either depending on application, so if possible I might as well do both 2013-08-10T03:04:03 < Laurenceb_> i think beagle schematics are open 2013-08-10T03:04:04 < zyp> both at once 2013-08-10T03:04:20 < dongs> well dongleberry schematics are "open" too 2013-08-10T03:04:52 < Laurenceb_> me is putting some trolling in his thesis 2013-08-10T03:04:57 < Laurenceb_> + / 2013-08-10T03:05:38 < Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Quality 2013-08-10T03:05:47 < Laurenceb_> gunna put that in for the lulz 2013-08-10T03:11:42 <+dekar> has anyone experience with nordic semiconductor? I'll probably have to develop a small bluetooth enabled device soon and they have cortex-m0 with bt-compatible 2.4ghz transceivers. 2013-08-10T03:11:54 < dongs> norDICK 2013-08-10T03:12:01 < dongs> yeah they're ok i think everyone @ sparkfun uses that shit 2013-08-10T03:12:03 < dongs> so IT MUST BE PRO 2013-08-10T03:12:06 < dongs> PRO-BRO 2013-08-10T03:12:52 < ds2> which part? 2013-08-10T03:12:58 <+dekar> I was kinda annoyed that they force you to sign up, buy a dev-kit, enter the key just to download their software library. 2013-08-10T03:13:01 < Laurenceb_> isnt it boring ultra proprietary stuff 2013-08-10T03:13:09 <+dekar> http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/Bluetooth-R-low-energy/nRF51822 2013-08-10T03:13:24 < ds2> so far that part seems nice a nice part 2013-08-10T03:14:52 < ds2> dekar: they were giving away the dev kits 2013-08-10T03:15:33 <+dekar> ds2, not anymore? :/ 2013-08-10T03:15:52 < ds2> donno 2013-08-10T03:16:05 < ds2> I got a while ago when they were launching that chip 2013-08-10T03:16:10 < ds2> goto a seminar and get a devkit 2013-08-10T03:17:24 < zyp> I used nRF24AP2 a couple of years ago 2013-08-10T03:17:57 < zyp> hopefully I won't have anything to do with ANT again :p 2013-08-10T03:18:38 < zyp> or rather, hopefully I won't have to deal with trying to use ANT for something it's not suited for again 2013-08-10T03:19:52 < zyp> I've been a bit interested in the nRF51822 myself, so I'm interested in hearing experiences 2013-08-10T03:21:57 <+dekar> I'll probably order one of their kits and start evaluating in about a month. Will report back. :) 2013-08-10T03:22:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-10T03:23:06 <+dekar> The only other µC with an embedded bluetooth transceiver I found was some TI 8051 and I don't feel like going for that. 2013-08-10T03:23:15 < zyp> checked the RM now, they actually document the radio registers, as opposed to certain other vendors 2013-08-10T03:23:49 < zyp> well 2013-08-10T03:23:58 < zyp> there is bluetooth, and then there's BTLE 2013-08-10T03:23:59 <+dekar> I wonder whether you get the source to their 80kb bluetooth stack :) 2013-08-10T03:24:10 < zyp> I believe the largest similarity is in the name 2013-08-10T03:25:10 < ds2> Ant is ur friend. you like Ant. 2013-08-10T03:25:15 <+dekar> Oh really? Thanks for telling me! O.o 2013-08-10T03:25:37 < ds2> the nordic one is a GP 2.4GHz radio 2013-08-10T03:25:51 < ds2> they just you a free hex file to flash in to do BLE if that's what you need 2013-08-10T03:25:52 < upgrdman> need to test a handful of unknown diode. some are zeners. some. whats a safe max rev bias that most non-zeners can tolerate without breaking down? 2013-08-10T03:26:09 < ds2> they also do Ant but Ant requires them to not provide loose hex files so it is a different P/N with Ant preflashed 2013-08-10T03:29:11 < zyp> dekar, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy#Compatibility <- you might have found this already, otherwise you probably want to read it 2013-08-10T03:30:22 <+dekar> Yeah was just reading it, newer phones will support it. Sadly that still isn't an option. :/ 2013-08-10T03:30:52 < zyp> what's your application? 2013-08-10T03:31:46 <+dekar> data logging using smartphones 2013-08-10T03:32:04 <+dekar> small battery powered sensors 2013-08-10T03:33:03 <+dekar> Low range would be fine, but it should be compatible to most smartphones out there. 2013-08-10T03:35:34 < ds2> iPhones will do it 2013-08-10T03:35:38 < ds2> Android is a disaster 2013-08-10T03:36:43 < zyp> AOSP added BTLE support in 4.3 2013-08-10T03:36:57 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@116.84.246.164] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T03:37:01 < ds2> but did they push the drivers for it? 2013-08-10T03:37:28 < zyp> http://officialandroid.blogspot.no/2013/07/introducing-android-43-sweeter-jelly.html <- according to the second point here, apparently my phone supports BTLE now 2013-08-10T03:38:42 < zyp> though, I have no BTLE devices and thus no way to test it, so I can just assume it's true :p 2013-08-10T03:39:08 < ds2> if you had a nRF51 dev kit... ;) 2013-08-10T03:39:30 < zyp> if I had it, I probably wouldn't find time to play with it :p 2013-08-10T03:40:31 < ds2> what phone do you have? 2013-08-10T03:40:56 < zyp> nexus 4, that's why I have 4.3 already :p 2013-08-10T03:41:27 < ds2> Oh blah 2013-08-10T03:41:38 < ds2> GN or the N7 would be more of interest 2013-08-10T03:42:15 < zyp> I think I read that GN lacks hardware support for BTLE 2013-08-10T03:42:53 < zyp> or what kind of interest are you talking about? 2013-08-10T03:43:33 < ds2> I read otherwise 2013-08-10T03:43:43 < ds2> supposely they all use the same broadcom chip and requires enabled drivers 2013-08-10T03:45:10 < ds2> ooh find a newer thread on xda 2013-08-10T03:46:22 < zyp> I just misinterpreted some comments 2013-08-10T03:46:58 < zyp> https://plus.google.com/u/0/116110604589325140832/posts/VsF1BcaFY1g <- people are going on about this, and how GN apparently won't get drivers even though hardware supports it 2013-08-10T03:47:11 < zyp> and I don't have patience to watch the vid to see what was actually said about it 2013-08-10T03:48:10 < ds2> I ignore posts with videos 2013-08-10T03:48:38 < zyp> so do I 2013-08-10T03:53:15 < ds2> heh 2013-08-10T03:53:30 < ds2> I also ignore G+. waste of time 2013-08-10T03:54:32 < zyp> that post was linked from a comment on a bug report 2013-08-10T03:54:41 < zyp> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=33371 <- this one 2013-08-10T03:54:58 < zyp> though, those kinds of bug reports should probably just be ignored too 2013-08-10T03:55:18 < zyp> they are just full of silly complaints nobody care about 2013-08-10T03:56:16 < ds2> think I saw that.. it is all old 2013-08-10T03:56:43 < ds2> someone really needs to build a proper phone that doesn't use locked up hw 2013-08-10T03:57:00 < zyp> go back the ubuntu edge? :p 2013-08-10T03:57:15 < zyp> I hear they desperately need more money 2013-08-10T03:58:18 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@116.84.246.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-10T03:58:25 < ds2> not a fan of ubuntu 2013-08-10T03:58:44 < ds2> I am still using the N900 2013-08-10T03:58:51 < ds2> everything else is a test device for work 2013-08-10T03:58:54 < zyp> me neither 2013-08-10T03:59:46 < zyp> I'm using ubuntu on a computer at work, not particularly happy with it 2013-08-10T04:00:05 < ds2> ubuntu as distributed is unusable 2013-08-10T04:00:19 < ds2> mint makes it more tolerable 2013-08-10T04:00:28 < ds2> and I only use it cuz I have no time to do a proper install anymore thesedays 2013-08-10T04:00:39 < zyp> I put win7 on another computer for altium, same specs 2013-08-10T04:00:55 < zyp> runs better 2013-08-10T04:02:22 <+dekar> Oh btw, it took me about half a year, but ST gave us two USB-PIDs for our ST based products. :) 2013-08-10T04:02:46 < zyp> anyway, it's not the UI I hate, so I don't believe I would be any happyer with mint 2013-08-10T04:04:24 < zyp> it's more the «oh, hi, hang on while I swap back in this shit that I swapped out for no reason» 2013-08-10T04:05:03 <+dekar> zyp, try a swappiness of zero? I hate that you can't tune that on OSX :/ 2013-08-10T04:05:10 < ds2> windows does the same crap 2013-08-10T04:05:34 < zyp> maybe I just haven't left the altium machine running for long enough to shit itself 2013-08-10T04:05:44 <+dekar> I really don't get why operating systems prioritize filesystem cache over keeping applications in RAM. -.-" 2013-08-10T04:06:26 < zyp> dekar, I think it's some gnome shit that leaks memory 2013-08-10T04:06:44 < zyp> gnome-panel IIRC 2013-08-10T04:06:52 <+dekar> meh :/ 2013-08-10T04:08:36 <+dekar> My HTPC runs Debian Squeeze with Gnome2. That actually runs really well even with uptimes of several hundred days. 2013-08-10T04:09:23 <+dekar> My MacBook on the other hand I have to regularly reboot every 2-3 weeks due to memory leaks. 2013-08-10T04:09:42 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-10T04:10:03 <+dekar> Once swap usage reaches 8gb it becomes basically unusable. 2013-08-10T04:10:11 < zyp> wat 2013-08-10T04:10:23 < zyp> my macbook haven't been rebooted for months 2013-08-10T04:10:49 < zyp> hang on, let me grab it and check 2013-08-10T04:10:57 <+dekar> I really have no idea what it is, but it has happened to me for several OSX versions. 2013-08-10T04:11:27 < zyp> 136 days 2013-08-10T04:11:58 < zyp> actual running time only 24 days though 2013-08-10T04:12:16 <+dekar> 3:11 up 22 days, 9:47, 6 users, load averages: 1.27 1.28 1.41 and it swaps 4gb atm 2013-08-10T04:12:34 < zyp> memory usage at 70%, swap at 2gb 2013-08-10T04:12:37 <+dekar> Only 8gb RAM though 2013-08-10T04:12:44 < zyp> only 4gb in mine 2013-08-10T04:12:52 <+dekar> Weird O.o 2013-08-10T04:13:01 <+dekar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/mac_swap_fail.png 2013-08-10T04:13:33 < dongs> loonex 2013-08-10T04:13:34 <+dekar> That's what snow leopard did to me. Lion is better, but it still swaps a lot. 2013-08-10T04:13:34 < dongs> haha 2013-08-10T04:13:42 < dongs> fucking useless trash 2013-08-10T04:14:04 < dongs> is finder still bullshit singlethreaded garbage 2013-08-10T04:16:18 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/dH4Ia.png <- laptop currently 2013-08-10T04:16:41 <+dekar> my current state: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/Screen%20Shot%202013-08-10%20at%203.15.57%20AM.png 2013-08-10T04:17:09 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NTWSX.png <- and workstation 2013-08-10T04:17:19 < zyp> I don't think I've ever seen workstation use swap 2013-08-10T04:19:04 <+dekar> See how mine has about twice the page ins compared to yours? I really don't understand what's up with it. 2013-08-10T04:20:21 < zyp> well, you have more swapped out too 2013-08-10T04:20:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-10T04:21:21 <+dekar> I guess its related to my usage, but I don't think it's any special tbh. 2013-08-10T04:21:56 < zyp> well, you're running eclipse, which is not really known to be memory efficient :) 2013-08-10T04:22:21 < ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww eclipse 2013-08-10T04:22:22 <+dekar> Eclipse is pretty tame, Chrome eats about 2gb :P 2013-08-10T04:22:41 <+dekar> Still 8gb should be plenty for what I do. 2013-08-10T04:23:29 <+dekar> I didn't have those problems on Linux with 8gb. Given that I mostly run the same applications, I really have not the slightest idea... 2013-08-10T04:23:50 < zyp> heh 2013-08-10T04:24:03 < zyp> I find it to be the exactly opposite 2013-08-10T04:24:48 < zyp> my laptop has 4gb and never shits itself the way my work computer frequently do 2013-08-10T04:25:42 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-10T04:25:56 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T04:25:59 <+dekar> I actually feel like my problem are (kernel?) leaks, once it hits like 10gb of swap closing applications doesn't help. 2013-08-10T04:26:32 <+dekar> Maybe it's related to FUSE? 2013-08-10T04:26:43 <+dekar> I always SSHFS-mount my linux box. 2013-08-10T04:27:08 < zyp> might be, I've never used FUSE 2013-08-10T04:28:43 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-10T04:34:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-10T04:35:30 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T04:40:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T05:01:30 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@78.173.225.0] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T05:01:30 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@78.173.225.0] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-10T05:01:30 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T05:06:00 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-10T05:23:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T05:25:30 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-10T05:35:15 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T05:52:23 < emeb> so here's a thought - stereo audio processing using an F373. Instead of an outboard codec, use the on-chip SDADCs and an outboard I2S DAC. 2013-08-10T05:52:43 < emeb> cheaper, smaller. wonder how the audio compares to a std codec tho... 2013-08-10T05:53:02 < emeb> and, can the SDADC be synced up to the I2S output rate? 2013-08-10T06:33:52 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-10T06:34:02 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T06:37:42 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-10T06:39:42 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T06:40:15 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T06:42:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-10T06:56:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-10T07:07:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T07:12:20 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-10T08:26:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T08:37:46 < zippe> dekar: it's not hard to work out what's eating your system; ping me sometime, I know more about that code than is healthy 2013-08-10T08:39:13 < zippe> dekar: also, assuming you're talking about OS X, very unlikely to be kernel leaks. Easy to check though. 2013-08-10T08:40:05 < zippe> Definitely get FUSE out of the picture. 2013-08-10T09:03:54 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T09:07:33 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.254.213] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T09:07:36 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-10T09:10:45 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.250.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-10T09:34:00 < dongs> http://foaas.com/thanks/An%20API%20That%20Cares 2013-08-10T09:42:25 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T09:46:25 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@37.46.43.254] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T09:52:15 -!- [1]arnonh [~arnonh@37.46.43.254] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T09:53:57 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@37.46.43.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-10T09:53:58 -!- [1]arnonh is now known as arnonh 2013-08-10T09:54:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-10T10:01:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-10T10:02:05 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-10T10:10:54 -!- arnonh [~arnonh@37.46.43.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-10T10:18:15 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-113-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T10:26:06 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.172] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T10:29:13 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-10T10:38:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.201.17] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T10:42:23 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-113-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-10T10:45:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-114-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T11:07:02 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/secretlabs/agent-the-worlds-smartest-watch haha how did i miss this trash 2013-08-10T11:10:11 < dongs> They are gorgeous. The PCBs are ENIG which means that we plate the contact pads with nickel and then add a thin layer of immersion gold (to protect the nickel pads from oxidation). We also cover the remainder of the six-layer board with glossy black soldermask. 2013-08-10T11:13:02 < dongs> hm lotsa pretty big parts on there 2013-08-10T11:14:32 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-114-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-10T12:02:40 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@dyndsl-031-150-205-023.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T14:03:59 <+Steffanx> At least it's not tooo large dongs. 2013-08-10T14:04:08 <+Steffanx> The size is pretty ok for a watch. 2013-08-10T14:07:28 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-10T14:08:09 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T14:49:10 < dongs> weird 2013-08-10T14:49:13 < dongs> tehy dont have those chips in BGA at atll 2013-08-10T14:49:14 < dongs> lol 2013-08-10T14:49:29 < dongs> oh 100pin can do bga 2013-08-10T14:49:43 < dongs> 7x7 100pin bga 2013-08-10T14:51:59 < dongs> but i guess with that weird 3V battery mount on the back they dont have a lot of room for bypassing a bga 2013-08-10T14:52:30 < dongs> i wonder why they choose a cell battery 2013-08-10T14:52:34 < dongs> isntead of some lipo or somethign 2013-08-10T15:03:04 < dongs> the revision one board is six layers and 0.8mm thin. 2013-08-10T15:03:05 < dongs> Regarding complexity: we are using lots of blind/buried vias, in part because much of the back of the board needs to be one large ground plane for the battery. 2013-08-10T15:03:28 < dongs> seems dumb, if they used a 1S lipo or similar w/just a 2wire connector it would make routing thier shit much easier/cehaper 2013-08-10T15:03:50 < dongs> actually i dont even understand why they're using a coin battery at all - those aren't chargeable? 2013-08-10T15:03:55 < dongs> but they talk about wirelss charging and shit. 2013-08-10T15:27:52 < MrM0bius> they make rechargable coin cells 2013-08-10T15:31:57 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@dyndsl-031-150-205-023.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-10T15:50:57 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-10T15:50:57 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-10T15:51:24 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T15:51:52 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T15:52:37 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T15:52:37 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-10T15:52:37 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T15:52:54 -!- mrcan__ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T15:54:28 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-10T15:56:01 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-10T16:25:44 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T16:28:17 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-10T16:46:01 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T16:46:03 < dongs> zyp: how goes that 2nd board 2013-08-10T16:48:41 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-95-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T16:51:20 < zyp> about to start doing the layout 2013-08-10T16:52:51 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-95-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-10T17:03:14 < dongs> cool 2013-08-10T17:03:27 < dongs> we got some more stuff in so there might be space for both 2013-08-10T17:04:09 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-126-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T17:04:40 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-10T17:09:56 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T17:14:19 -!- DanteA [~X@host-116-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-10T17:18:49 <+Steffanx> Who is "we" dongs? You and dongie? 2013-08-10T17:19:42 < Laurenceb_> his waifu 2013-08-10T17:22:54 < dongs> pcb scamplace im running 2013-08-10T17:23:02 < dongs> you can';t afford it 2013-08-10T17:24:42 <+Steffanx> blabla dongs. 2013-08-10T17:25:07 < dongs> ^_^_^_^ 2013-08-10T17:25:31 < Laurenceb_> im stuck with mantrain 2013-08-10T17:25:46 < dongs> you can paypal me for pcbs. 2013-08-10T17:25:56 < dongs> though vcut costs a lot > 3 2013-08-10T17:26:00 < Laurenceb_> i see 2013-08-10T17:26:03 < dongs> cuz when youre making normal panels 2013-08-10T17:26:03 <+Steffanx> You don't get troll-buddy discount from dongs? 2013-08-10T17:26:04 < dongs> 3 is enough 2013-08-10T17:26:15 < Laurenceb_> mantrain are supposed to be shipping me replacements... 2013-08-10T17:26:18 < dongs> 2x?? panel w/routed cuts and 3 vcuts top/center/bottom for guides/separate 2013-08-10T17:26:33 < dongs> Steffanx: no 2013-08-10T17:26:40 < dongs> trollbuddies get charged extra 2013-08-10T17:27:28 <+Steffanx> Perfect. 2013-08-10T17:27:48 < dongs> the troll tax. 2013-08-10T17:29:56 <+Steffanx> I remember you said trolling was so supposed to be funny. Troll tax is no fun. 2013-08-10T17:30:13 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T17:31:38 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T17:44:48 < dongs> how hte fuck do I pour a polygon in eagle 2013-08-10T17:44:55 < dongs> so i can actualyl fucking see it poured 2013-08-10T17:45:21 < dongs> Laurenceb_: 2013-08-10T17:45:21 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-10T17:45:22 < dongs> beep 2013-08-10T17:45:39 < Laurenceb_> polygon GND 2013-08-10T17:45:41 < Laurenceb_> or whatever 2013-08-10T17:45:48 < Laurenceb_> in the command thingy at the top 2013-08-10T17:45:52 < dongs> wat 2013-08-10T17:45:55 < dongs> i mean to POUR it 2013-08-10T17:45:59 < dongs> liek to see it fill shit 2013-08-10T17:46:06 < dongs> i already have one 2013-08-10T17:46:57 < zyp> ratsnest 2013-08-10T17:47:01 < dongs> ? 2013-08-10T17:47:16 < zyp> the ratsnest command will update polygons 2013-08-10T17:47:19 < dongs> o i c 2013-08-10T17:47:23 < dongs> you mean there's no menu/click for this? 2013-08-10T17:47:26 < zyp> there is a button for it 2013-08-10T17:47:38 < zyp> the one that looks like an X or something 2013-08-10T17:47:46 < zyp> next to autoroute IIRC 2013-08-10T17:47:53 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-10T17:48:07 < dongs> christ 2013-08-10T17:48:11 < dongs> makes about as much sense as git 2013-08-10T17:48:35 < dongs> and wow, damn is it slow 2013-08-10T17:48:36 < dongs> with shit poured 2013-08-10T17:48:41 < zyp> regarding polygons, I really like altium's shelve function 2013-08-10T17:49:56 < dongs> um 2013-08-10T17:50:02 < dongs> same as dicktrace unpoured polygon i guess. 2013-08-10T17:50:08 < zyp> yep 2013-08-10T17:50:47 < dongs> i really need to stop using dicktrace but I jsut cant 2013-08-10T17:51:48 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@164.sub-75-196-114.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T17:51:55 < zyp> what I don't like is how moving traces in poured polygons causes the online drc to complain about violations until I manually repour the polygon 2013-08-10T17:52:07 < dongs> thats normal i guess? 2013-08-10T17:52:09 < dongs> dicktrace does same. 2013-08-10T17:52:20 < dongs> isnt that what shelving is for anyway... 2013-08-10T17:52:23 < zyp> so do eagle, except no online drc 2013-08-10T17:52:29 < zyp> but yeah 2013-08-10T17:52:36 < dongs> you can disable this part in dicktrace i think 2013-08-10T17:52:55 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-10T17:53:01 < dongs> well, or disable clearance checking 2013-08-10T17:53:10 < dongs> but anyway, it doesnt matter, i leae it on, see the errors, just repour when done 2013-08-10T17:53:11 < zyp> I'd like to just have the polygon updated automatically, but I guess that would be too slow on more complex boards 2013-08-10T17:53:14 < dongs> they don't get in the way and dont slow shit down 2013-08-10T17:53:17 < dongs> yeah... 2013-08-10T17:53:31 < dongs> some of the shit faggots make in altium takes several seconds to pour 2013-08-10T17:53:40 < dongs> with like DDR2 and a bunch of BGA shit etc 2013-08-10T17:53:58 < dongs> i always get savefiles with all polygons off 2013-08-10T17:54:06 < dongs> they probably dont even pour them except to make gerbers. 2013-08-10T17:54:08 < dongs> cuz its slow 2013-08-10T17:54:20 < dongs> or to check if shit's fuckin up 2013-08-10T17:58:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pYQAddL.png 2013-08-10T17:58:39 < dongs> how the fuck can eagle fuck this up? 2013-08-10T17:58:45 < dongs> can it not fucking route STRAIGHT traces? 2013-08-10T17:58:51 < dongs> or with some sorta snap/etc? 2013-08-10T17:59:21 < Laurenceb_> sometime it gets rounding errors 2013-08-10T17:59:25 < dongs> ??? 2013-08-10T17:59:29 < Laurenceb_> you might need to rip up the trace 2013-08-10T17:59:29 < jpa-> it doesn't constrain straightness when you move around traces 2013-08-10T17:59:32 < dongs> this is clearly human error 2013-08-10T17:59:34 < Laurenceb_> to fix the corrupted mess 2013-08-10T17:59:36 < dongs> jpa-: it doesn?? 2013-08-10T17:59:37 < Laurenceb_> oh 2013-08-10T17:59:43 < jpa-> dongs: nope 2013-08-10T17:59:49 < Laurenceb_> i thought you were too pro for human error 2013-08-10T17:59:49 < dongs> like, no way to force it at all? 2013-08-10T17:59:50 < Laurenceb_> :P 2013-08-10T17:59:50 < dongs> waht hte fuck 2013-08-10T17:59:59 < dongs> Laurenceb_: i dont use eagle, maybe thats why 2013-08-10T18:00:05 < dongs> just looking at some customer trash. 2013-08-10T18:00:10 < Laurenceb_> ah 2013-08-10T18:00:15 < Laurenceb_> prob human error then 2013-08-10T18:00:24 < Laurenceb_> you need to find the grid size they used 2013-08-10T18:00:30 < jpa-> it does have a DRC check for non-45 degree traces, but it is not enabled by default 2013-08-10T18:00:30 < Laurenceb_> then it should snap correctly 2013-08-10T18:00:55 < Laurenceb_> but often things go wrong 2013-08-10T18:01:02 < Laurenceb_> eagle seems to be full of rounding errors 2013-08-10T18:01:02 < dongs> yeah with grid on, i could align it 2013-08-10T18:01:04 < dongs> oh wellz whatever 2013-08-10T18:01:14 < Laurenceb_> what version are you using? 2013-08-10T18:01:16 < dongs> doesnt bother me 2013-08-10T18:01:23 < dongs> dunno some pirated 6.3 i got offusenet 2013-08-10T18:01:26 < Laurenceb_> ah 2013-08-10T18:01:39 < Laurenceb_> yeah >6.1 seems to be a bit better at not going mad 2013-08-10T18:01:40 < dongs> i had some mega old version that didnt read the newfag XML format 2013-08-10T18:01:43 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2013-08-10T18:01:52 < Laurenceb_> 6 was aweful 2013-08-10T18:01:53 < dongs> and people keep using shit in .xml so i had to upgrade 2013-08-10T18:02:04 < dongs> pretty sure any version of eagle is awful 2013-08-10T18:02:07 < Laurenceb_> lol 2013-08-10T18:02:24 < Laurenceb_> i mean itd actually start randomly rotating stuff and other mad shit 2013-08-10T18:02:35 < zyp> hmm, fuck 2013-08-10T18:03:00 < zyp> got some XH connectors on this board, but I don't remember which end I started listing from in my notes 2013-08-10T18:03:13 < Laurenceb_> # tourettes 2013-08-10T18:04:15 < dongs> hm it was just that one line that was fucked. 2013-08-10T18:04:19 < dongs> where do i chec drc 2013-08-10T18:05:16 < dongs> i see, 'check angle' 2013-08-10T18:05:19 < dongs> very descriptive 2013-08-10T18:05:37 < dongs> also eagle's way of connecting vias to pour 2013-08-10T18:05:43 < dongs> 'just throw a random trace into the pour direction 2013-08-10T18:05:44 < dongs> what hte fuck 2013-08-10T18:05:48 < dongs> is that the proper way? 2013-08-10T18:07:15 < emeb_mac> dongs: why stop using diptrace? 2013-08-10T18:07:20 < dongs> not stop 2013-08-10T18:07:24 < dongs> just lookign at this design in eagle 2013-08-10T18:07:24 < dongs> thats all 2013-08-10T18:07:36 < dongs> oh you mean why stop using dicktrace 2013-08-10T18:07:41 < dongs> to switch to altium of course 2013-08-10T18:07:54 < zyp> dongs, huh? 2013-08-10T18:07:58 < emeb_mac> why? 2013-08-10T18:08:10 < zyp> dongs, just place a via inside the pour? 2013-08-10T18:08:16 < zyp> no need for a trace 2013-08-10T18:08:18 < dongs> zyp, every single via on this design 2013-08-10T18:08:24 < dongs> has a random-angled trace 'connecting' it to pour 2013-08-10T18:08:32 < dongs> no idea. 2013-08-10T18:09:34 < zyp> sounds pointless 2013-08-10T18:10:46 < emeb_mac> hah - I bought diptrace a few months ago. now it's old-n-busted. :P 2013-08-10T18:11:35 < dongs> it'll be a while before i get forced to switch 2013-08-10T18:11:41 < dongs> maybe some proper project 2013-08-10T18:11:46 < dongs> but i dont like wasting time relearing new shit 2013-08-10T18:11:54 < dongs> relearning wahtever 2013-08-10T18:12:11 < emeb_mac> ya 2013-08-10T18:12:53 < emeb_mac> one of my clients bought altium years ago - still hasn't switched cause he's so used to orcad+pcad. 2013-08-10T18:12:59 < zyp> I think I'm already faster in altium than what I used to be in eagle 2013-08-10T18:13:07 < dongs> well, thats a given 2013-08-10T18:13:18 < dongs> $anything is better than eagle 2013-08-10T18:14:33 < BJfreeman> GEDA 2013-08-10T18:16:01 < dongs> snort 2013-08-10T18:16:10 < dongs> you got a point there. 2013-08-10T18:16:24 < dongs> geda sets a new low for "fail" 2013-08-10T18:21:46 <+Steffanx> So why dongs doesn't do altium? 2013-08-10T18:21:47 < BJfreeman> it is the GNU start for many of them out there now 2013-08-10T18:24:25 < dongs> not enough time 2013-08-10T18:24:33 < dongs> I just need to get shit done, I can get it done reasonalby fast in dicktrace. 2013-08-10T18:24:46 < dongs> I know enough of altium to be dangerous but i already have libs/components/etc in dicktrace 2013-08-10T18:24:57 < dongs> i'd have to start a proper library etc from scratch in altium. 2013-08-10T18:26:30 <+Steffanx> I could start about vendor lockin now, but i wont :P 2013-08-10T18:28:03 < dongs> wut 2013-08-10T18:28:15 < dongs> i dont expect vendor libs to be compatible 2013-08-10T18:28:24 < dongs> i CAN actualyl export dicktrace lib to something altium will read. 2013-08-10T18:28:33 < dongs> i just wont, because converting formats will always fuck something up 2013-08-10T18:28:40 < dongs> and I'll find out when I wasted $ on useless boards. 2013-08-10T18:30:49 < BJfreeman> seems a good market to do import export between apps 2013-08-10T18:38:58 < dongs> export between blogs 2013-08-10T18:41:20 < dongs> any M4 micro with highspeed USB that can push 40mbit over USB> 2013-08-10T18:42:06 < jpa-> lpc4300? 2013-08-10T18:42:14 < dongs> thats huge and ugly tho 2013-08-10T18:42:32 < dongs> i was hoping something from ST. 2013-08-10T18:42:36 < dongs> maybe i should just use FX3. 2013-08-10T18:42:40 < dongs> w/o USB3 support. 2013-08-10T18:43:00 < jpa-> you can put external phy to a stm32f4 :P 2013-08-10T18:43:07 < dongs> will it do 40mbit tho? 2013-08-10T18:43:22 < jpa-> i can't see why not, but i haven't tried 2013-08-10T18:43:23 < dongs> DMA'ing parallel to USB 2013-08-10T18:43:43 < jpa-> 40Mbit/s is pretty slow for the stm32f4 anyway 2013-08-10T18:43:53 < jpa-> ah 2013-08-10T18:43:58 < jpa-> you probably meab 40Mbyte/s 2013-08-10T18:44:09 < dongs> no, 40mbit 2013-08-10T18:44:31 < dongs> 40megabyte i wouldn't evne be asking 2013-08-10T18:44:35 < jpa-> ok, well that surely should work.. it's only 10% of the max bandwidth anyway 2013-08-10T18:44:37 < dongs> i'd just use FX2 right away. 2013-08-10T18:46:20 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T18:48:53 < Laurenceb_> theres prob an app note for doing this on F4 2013-08-10T18:52:20 < BJfreeman> since the F4 can do 100megbit ethernet don't see why it can't do 40mbit on USB 2013-08-10T18:52:41 < dongs> having 100mbit ethernet mac and DOING 100mbit are 2 different things 2013-08-10T18:53:17 < Laurenceb_> heh 2013-08-10T18:53:55 < Laurenceb_> http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2012-13/world-ranking 2013-08-10T18:54:01 < Laurenceb_> nice now i can troll #highaltitude 2013-08-10T18:54:20 < Laurenceb_> cambridge down to #7 2013-08-10T18:54:29 < dongs> ya 2013-08-10T18:54:33 < dongs> they accepted you 2013-08-10T18:54:37 < dongs> now they're going down 2013-08-10T18:54:40 < BJfreeman> serial is serial then yiou have phy that is where you have a problem 2013-08-10T18:56:47 < Laurenceb_> Evolutionary multiobjective optimization school (EMO) 2013-08-10T18:56:49 < Laurenceb_> lolling 2013-08-10T18:57:01 < Laurenceb_> http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-44719-9_2 2013-08-10T18:57:06 < dongs> almsot funny. 2013-08-10T18:57:25 < Laurenceb_> surely should be EMOS 2013-08-10T19:05:36 < emeb_mac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaFBjUJj00M 2013-08-10T19:06:03 < emeb_mac> i know there's a blowjob joke in there somewhere 2013-08-10T19:07:15 < dongs> disneyresearch? 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2013-08-10T21:34:23 < Lt_Lemming> just trying to check mine against someone elses 2013-08-10T21:34:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T21:34:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-10T21:34:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T21:39:23 -!- Dnt [~X@213.87.133.4] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2013-08-10T21:39:48 < Thorn> Lt_Lemming: look for a 107 board on olimex.com 2013-08-10T21:39:55 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.133.4] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T21:40:02 < Lt_Lemming> kk 2013-08-10T21:40:03 < Thorn> it will differ quite a bit between phys though 2013-08-10T21:40:06 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.134] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-10T21:40:22 < Lt_Lemming> yeah, more interested in how they are doing the RMII interface though 2013-08-10T21:40:40 < Lt_Lemming> PHY is easy because the one I am using has inbuilt termination 2013-08-10T21:40:53 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.134] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T21:41:47 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T21:48:00 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.133.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-10T21:54:14 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-10T21:55:20 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T21:55:55 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T22:07:41 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@ip-64-134-101-185.public.wayport.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T22:13:38 < gxti> you connect the wires together 2013-08-10T22:13:41 < gxti> done 2013-08-10T22:15:41 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T22:17:57 < Lt_Lemming> no termination or pullups needed? 2013-08-10T22:19:38 < gxti> if anything is needed then it would be mentioned in the phy datasheet 2013-08-10T22:59:10 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T23:01:01 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-10T23:12:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.201.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-10T23:43:44 < PaulFertser> gxti: the folks designing schematics at work managed to screw that in a curious way: there was some earlier arm7 board that needed a dedicated 25MHz crystal for PHY. And they routed crystal generator output to PHY and then phy's aux freq out to the microcontroller! Of course it was out of phase but that older LPC tolerated that. Then the "design" was copied to stm32, and there I got >80% packet loss, hehe. 2013-08-10T23:45:51 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@ip-64-134-101-185.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-10T23:49:11 < gxti> stm32's rmii clock is input-only, normally you just connect it to the phy and use the phy's oscillator 2013-08-10T23:51:56 < englishman> if i use GPIO_Init do i also need to run GPIO_SetBits? i'm not clear on what SetBits does 2013-08-10T23:53:50 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:d85:fa28:3cf2:4c91] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-10T23:59:18 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] --- Day changed Sun Aug 11 2013 2013-08-11T00:03:34 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T00:03:42 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-11T00:05:53 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:d85:fa28:3cf2:4c91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-11T00:06:12 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T00:14:53 < englishman> oh it just writes the port high. 2013-08-11T00:18:51 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-11T00:21:46 -!- naftilos76 [~naftilos7@46.251.116.146] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T00:22:33 -!- naftilos76 [~naftilos7@46.251.116.146] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-11T01:18:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T01:21:36 < qyx_> what could be the problem if i cannot set ADEN on adc4 on f303? 2013-08-11T01:22:06 < qyx_> i use the same adc enabling procedure for adc2 which is working 2013-08-11T01:49:47 < zyp> well, it could of course be the all too obvious RCC enable 2013-08-11T01:50:55 < zyp> I ran into that myself yesterday 2013-08-11T01:51:50 < zyp> using one of emeb's F3 breakouts, which have usb enabled by default 2013-08-11T01:52:25 < zyp> it wouldn't trigger a usb reset after cpu reset like it should, turned out I forgot to enable GPIOF 2013-08-11T01:54:55 <+Steffanx> ':P 2013-08-11T02:03:40 < emeb_mac> ya gotta do it intentionally 2013-08-11T02:04:50 < emeb_mac> don't know why it's so hard to build the 1.5k pullup into the USB peripheral on-chip. 2013-08-11T02:06:30 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-11T02:06:36 < Laurenceb_> any latex gurus here? 2013-08-11T02:06:45 < Laurenceb_> \multirow is failing 2013-08-11T02:08:41 < zyp> hmm, I thought OS X disallowed libusb access when kernel drivers claimed devices 2013-08-11T02:09:36 < zyp> but I now have a device here with both hid and dfu interfaces, and I can access the device both through hidapi and with dfu-util using libusb 2013-08-11T02:09:46 < qyx_> zyp: i use the same chibios's rccEnable for both 2013-08-11T02:12:17 < qyx_> and i turned all the hal adc stuff off so it shouldn't enable something for adc2 which i forgot to do for adc4 2013-08-11T02:28:22 < zippe> emeb_mac: cypress have a patent on that 2013-08-11T02:28:38 < zippe> emeb_mac: and they are tards about licensing it 2013-08-11T02:28:47 < emeb_mac> zippe: figures 2013-08-11T02:29:36 < emeb_mac> let's patent something painfully obvious and then be a pain to all and sundry 2013-08-11T02:32:12 < zippe> It would make more sense if they actually sold FETs or resistors 2013-08-11T02:33:09 < emeb_mac> i suppose that they use it on their own USB parts 2013-08-11T02:33:18 < gxti> i doubt it's so simple as just "builtin pullup resistor" but maybe some oddly specific thing and it scares the other companies just enough not to try 2013-08-11T02:33:34 < gxti> patents suck like that 2013-08-11T02:34:08 < emeb_mac> could have sworn that my Atmel SAM7 had it built in with a register to enable/disable it. 2013-08-11T02:34:37 < emeb_mac> and some earlier STM32 parts had it, but the tolerance on the resistor was out of whack so they didn't recommend using it. 2013-08-11T02:35:23 < gxti> sure, lots of parts have it 2013-08-11T02:37:20 < gxti> lots require no external parts at all 2013-08-11T02:38:16 < gxti> but patents often have oddly specific combinations of things and only if you hit all of them does it apply 2013-08-11T02:39:07 < zyp> the OTG ones also have it 2013-08-11T02:39:31 < gxti> are the ones without it HS? maybe that's the trick 2013-08-11T02:40:07 < zyp> huh? 2013-08-11T02:40:19 < zyp> all built-in PHYs in STM32 are FS 2013-08-11T02:40:39 < gxti> never mind, i don't really care 2013-08-11T02:40:47 < gxti> it is what it is 2013-08-11T02:41:02 < gxti> no point trying to reverse engineer ST's brains, if they even have any 2013-08-11T02:41:36 < emeb_mac> har 2013-08-11T02:41:38 < gxti> we already know they use monkeys and dartboards to assign AF pinouts 2013-08-11T02:46:20 < qyx_> these analog switches are available only on stm32L series? 2013-08-11T02:50:51 < qyx_> seems so 2013-08-11T02:53:35 < dongs> < trepidaciousMBR> Did dongs not see the bit on that page where they say "Debug modeSerial wire debug (SWD) & JTAG interfaces 2013-08-11T02:53:40 < dongs> yeah thats just copypaste from ST datasheet 2013-08-11T02:53:46 < dongs> it even has same formatting 2013-08-11T02:56:09 < dongs> hmm 2013-08-11T02:56:18 < dongs> mbed lib is opensauce now? 2013-08-11T02:57:10 < dongs> http://mbed.org/blog/entry/mbed-SDK-is-now-Open-Source/ lol seems so 2013-08-11T03:01:50 < dongs> o well they seem to be supporting only LPC trash 2013-08-11T03:01:55 < dongs> and that KLZ tarduino thing 2013-08-11T03:01:58 < dongs> so whatever 2013-08-11T03:04:28 < emeb_mac> yawn 2013-08-11T03:05:20 < emeb_mac> got one of the freescale things a few days ago but haven't done anything but power it up. 2013-08-11T03:05:31 < dongs> i think I thought of getting it 2013-08-11T03:05:36 < dongs> but my last experience with K50 or wahtever 2013-08-11T03:05:43 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@109.78.72.190] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T03:05:53 < dongs> was pretty lame 2013-08-11T03:05:54 < dongs> s owahtever 2013-08-11T03:31:04 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-11T03:44:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T03:47:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-11T03:47:43 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T03:51:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-11T03:54:07 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-11T04:02:41 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@109.78.72.190] has quit [] 2013-08-11T04:50:51 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.132.33] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T05:08:55 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.132.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-11T05:11:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-11T05:15:28 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T06:15:10 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.59] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T06:15:28 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T06:20:38 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/O07LArn.jpg 2013-08-11T06:29:16 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-11T06:29:25 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T06:36:34 < dongs> prepping for installation in spacex capsule? 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2013-08-11T13:49:25 < dongs> filthy 2013-08-11T13:49:31 < dongs> c++ preprocessing = aids 2013-08-11T13:49:39 < dongs> /hitwtc moc etc. 2013-08-11T13:50:31 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-106-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T13:50:35 <+dekar> well it relies on native threading when built on windows at least :) 2013-08-11T13:53:20 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T13:53:33 < gnomad> so, dongs, is there anything you actually like? 2013-08-11T13:58:06 < dongs> no 2013-08-11T14:00:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-106-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-11T14:02:15 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-106-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T14:03:30 < gnomad> Ok. just trying to establish your rating scale. ;-) 2013-08-11T14:03:59 < gnomad> the range seems to be sucks balls to sucks less... 2013-08-11T14:09:43 < dongs> hokay so.. 2013-08-11T14:10:42 <+Steffanx> He is right though 2013-08-11T14:11:28 < dongs> lets talk about how to get 8bit parallel data into stm32 2013-08-11T14:11:33 < dongs> GPIO DMA? 2013-08-11T14:11:35 < dongs> trigger by? 2013-08-11T14:12:12 < dongs> hmm. or FSMC? but I don't wanna use a xbox huge chip. 2013-08-11T14:13:19 <+Steffanx> you need uber high data rar 2013-08-11T14:13:24 <+Steffanx> tes? 2013-08-11T14:13:36 < dongs> like 40mbit. i dunno 2013-08-11T14:14:31 < qyx_> dcmi? 2013-08-11T14:15:35 < qyx_> or gpio dma triggered by timer input capture? 2013-08-11T14:15:36 < dongs> that needs xboxhuge chip , doenst it. 2013-08-11T14:15:40 < dongs> yeah gpio is what im thinking. 2013-08-11T14:15:49 < dongs> i did that for outtput once. 2013-08-11T14:15:53 < dongs> so theory should be same. 2013-08-11T14:17:47 < dongs> hm 2013-08-11T14:18:10 < dongs> how fast of a clock do you recon i can do this with 2013-08-11T14:18:15 < dongs> for GPIO DMA? 2013-08-11T14:18:20 < dongs> lets see waht the shit outputs first 2013-08-11T14:21:31 -!- DanteA [d47c0610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.6.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-11T14:22:18 -!- DanteA [d47c0610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.6.16] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T14:25:54 < dongs> 4.063MHz 2013-08-11T14:29:07 < dongs> thats not gonna leave me a lot of time to actually do something with the data 2013-08-11T14:30:03 < dongs> so 1 byte per 246ns 2013-08-11T14:31:05 < dongs> and single cortex cycle is 13.89ns @ 72mhz. 2013-08-11T14:33:42 < zyp> was about to suggest DCMI, but then saw it was already mentioned 2013-08-11T14:34:02 < dongs> attn zyp http://images.4chan.org/k/src/1376177903068.jpg 2013-08-11T14:34:59 < zyp> hah 2013-08-11T14:35:00 < dongs> zyp, yea DCMI, but neiter case seems to leaev a lot of time for actually processing the data. 2013-08-11T14:35:14 < dongs> i mean, do you think there's gonna be any difference in performance doing GPIO DMA vs DCMI? 2013-08-11T14:35:37 < dongs> i can't get the data in faster than 4mhz 2013-08-11T14:36:32 < zyp> what kind of processing do you need to do? 2013-08-11T14:36:56 < dongs> lookat some header in each packet, process some packets 2013-08-11T14:37:36 < dongs> ahve you ever tried HS PHY with F4? 2013-08-11T14:38:01 < dongs> i made a breakout for USB3330 a while ago. 2013-08-11T14:38:07 < dongs> er USB3300 2013-08-11T14:38:15 < zyp> I tried the one that came with the waveshare kit 2013-08-11T14:38:28 < dongs> i think that was same 2013-08-11T14:38:31 < zyp> yep 2013-08-11T14:38:40 < zyp> seemed to work well enough 2013-08-11T14:38:50 < dongs> and? 2013-08-11T14:38:50 < dongs> hm 2013-08-11T14:39:51 < zyp> my stack is kinda hardcoded to one speed, and HS devices are expected to be able to enumerate as FS as well 2013-08-11T14:40:35 < zyp> (and even if you don't care about that in practice, you still have to account for the differences if you write code to work with both kind of PHYs) 2013-08-11T14:40:40 < dongs> am i right to calculate, at 4.063MHz parallel clock, 246ns/byte? 2013-08-11T14:40:51 < zyp> sure 2013-08-11T14:41:31 < dongs> and then memcpying that buffer out, would take even more cycles 2013-08-11T14:41:32 < dongs> hmpf 2013-08-11T14:41:49 < dongs> F1 doesn't do doublebuffer DMA right? 2013-08-11T14:42:08 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-11T14:42:11 < zyp> don't remember, haven't done much F1 DMA 2013-08-11T14:42:16 < dongs> it doesnt 2013-08-11T14:42:30 < dongs> i think that w as added in F2 2013-08-11T14:42:35 < zyp> yeah 2013-08-11T14:42:41 < dongs> with the sane DMA controller 2013-08-11T14:42:47 < zyp> F4 does both doublebuffer and circular 2013-08-11T14:43:07 < dongs> i think if I want any hope of processing the data im gonna hve to do it w/F4 2013-08-11T14:43:13 < zyp> I use circular for my audio stuff 2013-08-11T14:43:27 < dongs> and its gonna have to be parallel cuz serial output is like 70MHz 2013-08-11T14:43:41 < dongs> SPI can't go that fast.. 2013-08-11T14:44:49 < zyp> sounds like what you really want would be an FPGA 2013-08-11T14:44:49 < dongs> oh hm 2013-08-11T14:44:53 < dongs> zyp: yeha, i know 2013-08-11T14:44:57 < dongs> trying to avoid that 2013-08-11T14:46:02 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T14:47:57 -!- DanteA [d47c0610@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.6.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-11T15:00:41 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T15:06:32 < dongs> i could probably do all i need in FX3 2013-08-11T15:06:53 < dongs> but i bet devtools for that suck aids 2013-08-11T15:08:37 < dongs> EZ-USB FX3 SDK Installer - This is the master installer file that will install the firmware library with samples, USB Suite with Windows host driver and applications, Eclipse IDE & GCC tool chain. Once installed using the installer, Cypress Update Manager will enable users to look for updated versions of these software modules and facilitate upgrades. 2013-08-11T15:08:42 < dongs> GNU toolchain. 2013-08-11T15:08:45 < dongs> fuck off. 2013-08-11T15:08:47 < dongs> yeah. 2013-08-11T15:09:04 < zyp> enjoy your eclipse 2013-08-11T15:10:23 < dongs> wow my DM00037051 was mega old 2013-08-11T15:10:39 < dongs> apparently there's jun 2013 version 2013-08-11T15:10:46 < zyp> mine is rev2 2013-08-11T15:10:52 < zyp> what's the newest? 2013-08-11T15:10:54 < dongs> rev4 2013-08-11T15:12:41 <+Steffanx> another reason why i just have 5000 copies in my download dir. 2013-08-11T15:12:57 <+Steffanx> i dowload them we i nees them 2013-08-11T15:13:56 < zyp> I'm too lazy for that, I expect to be able to just hit ctrl-space, type «stm32fwhatever», hit down a few times and then enter 2013-08-11T15:31:24 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.140.63] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T15:35:15 < Laurenceb_> wtf is DM00037051 2013-08-11T15:41:28 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.163] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T16:05:51 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.140.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-11T16:06:01 < zyp> F4 datasheet 2013-08-11T16:06:24 < zyp> (found out by hitting ctrl-shift and typing DM00037051) 2013-08-11T16:06:48 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.130.108] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T16:21:45 < Laurenceb_> oh 2013-08-11T16:30:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.232.72] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T16:37:00 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-11T16:42:51 < Laurenceb_> lolling at Lunar_Lander 2013-08-11T16:43:01 < Laurenceb_> how is circuit formed 2013-08-11T16:46:30 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T16:47:16 < claude> Laurenceb_, the game? 2013-08-11T16:47:40 < Laurenceb_> I made this circuit http://s.gullipics.com/image/m/9/4/ji1rd83-kuurec-juix/PINSchematicV1.png 2013-08-11T16:47:40 < Laurenceb_> and had a PCB made for it 2013-08-11T16:47:53 < Laurenceb_> its amazing 2013-08-11T16:49:26 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.130.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-11T16:56:21 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-106-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-11T17:06:28 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@dyndsl-031-150-193-035.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-11T17:12:15 < Laurenceb_> mahahaha 2013-08-11T17:12:34 * Laurenceb_ has successfully cloned "ManTech" 2013-08-11T17:13:30 < Laurenceb_> now i can set up business as a consultant 2013-08-11T17:20:12 < Laurenceb_> https://www.dodmantech.com/program/organizations.asp 2013-08-11T17:20:51 < Laurenceb_> this is awesome, it classifies my workprojects as various levels of epic fail 2013-08-11T17:23:50 < zyp> various levels of epic fail sounds about right 2013-08-11T17:24:16 < Laurenceb_> this is actually quite useful 2013-08-11T17:24:40 < Laurenceb_> enter loads of info on TRL, MRL, likely cost, prior art etc 2013-08-11T17:24:48 < Laurenceb_> and it'll say if its a good idea 2013-08-11T17:26:40 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-11T17:29:52 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.17] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T17:37:10 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-11T17:38:47 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.17] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T17:40:35 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-11T17:42:25 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T17:42:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T17:45:44 < dongs> how fast is SPI on F4? 2013-08-11T17:45:48 < dongs> 44MHz? 2013-08-11T17:46:29 < dongs> 42Mbit/s 2013-08-11T17:46:30 < dongs> hm 2013-08-11T17:48:38 < dongs> do you think 45 will fail? 2013-08-11T17:48:55 < dongs> (rx) 2013-08-11T18:09:56 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T18:17:22 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T18:22:46 < jpa-> dongs: not always, but maybe sometimes 2013-08-11T18:27:25 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-77-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T18:56:37 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-77-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-11T19:06:38 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-11T19:07:54 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T19:10:45 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-11T19:12:44 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@220.sub-75-233-241.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T19:13:51 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-11T19:16:14 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T20:07:57 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-11T20:08:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T20:08:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-11T20:08:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T20:11:01 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T20:11:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-11T20:14:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T20:31:00 < zyp> hmm, I miss routing 4-layer boards 2013-08-11T20:31:59 < Laurenceb_> i miss doing proper work 2013-08-11T20:32:00 < zyp> not having to think about getting a good ground plane and routing vcc sane 2013-08-11T20:32:09 < Laurenceb_> rather than management "engineering" 2013-08-11T20:32:34 < Laurenceb_> theres no way im going to code a gui for this crap 2013-08-11T20:33:36 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/6S8H4.png <- I'm starting to get the signals sorted out, but I'm not sure where I'll put vcc for the mcu 2013-08-11T20:33:37 < Laurenceb_> "mantech" say sit all 2013-08-11T20:33:58 < Laurenceb_> that dongspcb? 2013-08-11T20:34:08 < jpa-> zyp: if you get good gnd and good bypass, a good vcc is not that critical, right? 2013-08-11T20:34:54 <+Steffanx> Why you don't say you cannot do gui design Laurenceb_? :) 2013-08-11T20:34:58 <+Steffanx> One cannot do EVERYTHING. 2013-08-11T20:35:08 < jpa-> Some cannot do ANYTHING. 2013-08-11T20:35:21 < Laurenceb_> i can but i hate it 2013-08-11T20:35:30 < Laurenceb_> its even more stupid that management engineering 2013-08-11T20:36:01 <+Steffanx> of course you can do it. Everyone can drag and drop something together 2013-08-11T20:36:07 < Laurenceb_> at least mantech is working - all our projects are crap 2013-08-11T20:36:15 < Laurenceb_> which sounds about right 2013-08-11T20:36:22 <+Steffanx> that was not my point. There is a difference between getting things done and getting things done properly :) 2013-08-11T20:36:46 < zyp> jpa-, you still want to avoid the chance that they are at different levels so you don't get currents flowing between the vcc pins through the mcu 2013-08-11T20:37:01 < Laurenceb_> atm it sits on a server and eats excel files 2013-08-11T20:37:04 < Laurenceb_> good enough for me 2013-08-11T20:37:14 < Laurenceb_> who needs a gui 2013-08-11T20:37:23 <+Steffanx> your boss 2013-08-11T20:37:32 < Laurenceb_> lol - hes ok with excel 2013-08-11T20:37:36 <+Steffanx> A gui makes it fancy. 2013-08-11T20:37:48 < jpa-> zyp: true, if you have some large power draw on the board 2013-08-11T20:37:51 < Laurenceb_> excel -> samba -> processing on server -> excel out again 2013-08-11T20:37:56 <+Steffanx> lol 2013-08-11T20:38:02 < Laurenceb_> drag and drop it out of the folder 2013-08-11T20:38:41 < Laurenceb_> its how i do all my projects now 2013-08-11T20:38:51 <+Steffanx> That is a dev board for what zyp? 2013-08-11T20:38:52 < Laurenceb_> no need to deal with users 2013-08-11T20:38:57 <+Steffanx> or is it no dev board? 2013-08-11T20:39:08 < Laurenceb_> they are all on vpn so its easy to set up 2013-08-11T20:39:25 < zyp> Steffanx, no, it's a HID board 2013-08-11T20:40:03 <+Steffanx> and what you'll connect to it? 2013-08-11T20:40:41 < zyp> quadrature encoders and buttons with lights 2013-08-11T20:41:25 < zyp> and there's an output for regulating brightness of ambient light as well 2013-08-11T20:43:19 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.33] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T20:45:15 <+Steffanx> mr jpa- still sick? 2013-08-11T20:45:24 < jpa-> only a little 2013-08-11T20:45:58 <+Steffanx> Extra holidays for jpa-? 2013-08-11T20:46:10 <+Steffanx> Or were you already on holiday anyway? 2013-08-11T20:46:23 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/cciEx.jpg <- it's halfway intended as a drop in replacement for this shit 2013-08-11T20:46:47 <+Steffanx> and what exactly is that used for? 2013-08-11T20:46:58 < zyp> HID input 2013-08-11T20:47:02 < jpa-> Steffanx: 4 days off work, yeah 2013-08-11T20:47:43 <+Steffanx> That's what you said before zyp, but what is the purpose of the entire thing. Or is that 'none of my business'? 2013-08-11T20:48:11 < zyp> Steffanx, it's multipurpose :p 2013-08-11T20:49:24 <+Steffanx> So it's just random input. Yay. :) 2013-08-11T20:49:58 <+Steffanx> ( and output? ) 2013-08-11T20:51:21 <+Steffanx> I guess i should stop getting an answer. 2013-08-11T20:51:28 <+Steffanx> *trying to get 2013-08-11T20:52:37 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-11T20:59:39 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.225] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T21:05:12 < Laurenceb_> lol my dad just got his carjacked by the Tijuana 2013-08-11T21:06:14 < Laurenceb_> he thought they were MP, what a n00b 2013-08-11T21:17:38 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-11T21:32:03 <+Steffanx> uh what Laurenceb_? 2013-08-11T21:36:00 < Laurenceb_> he works in mexico 2013-08-11T21:48:34 -!- mrcan__ is now known as mrcan 2013-08-11T21:49:31 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-11T21:53:58 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.138.139] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T21:59:40 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T22:12:55 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-11T22:13:00 <+Steffanx> are you his true son Laurenceb_/. 2013-08-11T22:13:02 <+Steffanx> ? 2013-08-11T22:13:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-46-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T22:13:50 < Laurenceb_> lol Steffanx 2013-08-11T22:13:58 < Laurenceb_> yup 2013-08-11T22:14:00 <+Steffanx> i mean, how you explain he failed so hard? 2013-08-11T22:14:11 < Laurenceb_> hes from Texas 2013-08-11T22:14:33 < Laurenceb_> alternatively, my first answer 2013-08-11T22:20:27 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-11T23:00:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.232.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-11T23:06:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.232.72] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T23:12:43 < Gargantuasauce> zyp is working on a groundbreaking teledildonics platform 2013-08-11T23:13:01 < Gargantuasauce> human interface device 2013-08-11T23:13:03 * Gargantuasauce winks 2013-08-11T23:13:33 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/aNHUnEH.jpg 2013-08-11T23:13:37 < zyp> busted 2013-08-11T23:13:41 < qyx_> finally working 2013-08-11T23:13:43 < qyx_> partially 2013-08-11T23:13:54 < Gargantuasauce> fixed your stack smashey bug? 2013-08-11T23:16:28 < qyx_> two days of fixing multiple things 2013-08-11T23:23:28 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T23:27:50 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.177] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-11T23:31:01 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-11T23:37:11 < Laurenceb_> wazzat? 2013-08-11T23:47:54 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/SdoRn.png <- seems to turn out rather nice 2013-08-11T23:50:27 < qyx_> not too much connections 2013-08-11T23:52:15 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/DY5rb.png <- did most of the signal routing on the bottom to keep the top as a plane 2013-08-11T23:53:22 < qyx_> ah --- Day changed Mon Aug 12 2013 2013-08-12T00:00:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@77.67.232.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-12T00:25:49 -!- GargantuaSauce_ [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T00:27:11 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: sauce] 2013-08-12T00:27:25 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@220.sub-75-233-241.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-12T00:35:28 -!- GargantuaSauce_ [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-12T00:41:21 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T00:55:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-12T01:20:34 -!- FmOut [~quassel@78.180.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T01:29:41 < zyp> dongs, sent you gerbers 2013-08-12T01:39:28 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T01:56:11 -!- FmOut [~quassel@78.180.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-12T01:56:39 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-12T02:02:29 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-12T02:26:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-12T03:26:26 < dongs> http://hackaday.com/2013/08/11/bitbanging-i2c-by-hand/ this is the kinda trash that passes as "hacks" these days 2013-08-12T03:26:29 < dongs> zyp: noted 2013-08-12T03:26:54 <+dekar> so a button is a hack? :D 2013-08-12T03:27:39 < dongs> Even if the microcontroller has hardware I2C, I often still use my software version, just because it’s easier to drop in code that works instead of figuring out how to use the (often overly complicated) I2C hardware/libraries. 2013-08-12T03:27:43 < dongs> lool. 2013-08-12T03:29:39 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T03:29:47 < zyp> dongs, good 2013-08-12T03:29:55 <+dekar> the most useful part about bitbanging is having full control 2013-08-12T03:30:16 < zyp> dongs, when do you estimate to have boards/stencil ready for shipping? 2013-08-12T03:30:25 < zyp> estimate/expect 2013-08-12T03:30:37 <+dekar> we had a product using the ft2232 for i2c interfacing random slaves… wasn't pretty at times 2013-08-12T03:30:59 < dongs> zyp, i duno if 2nd one will fit, ill know later today. if you're paying for stencil it can be whenever. only takes a day. 2013-08-12T03:32:32 < dongs> uh oh 2013-08-12T03:32:50 < dongs> hm weird holes in bottom pour 2013-08-12T03:33:18 < zyp> did I fuck up something? 2013-08-12T03:34:03 < zyp> also, I tried doing slotted holes for usb, hope they are ok 2013-08-12T03:34:06 < dongs> i think these might be just drils 2013-08-12T03:34:17 < dongs> do you have a hole next to every connector? 2013-08-12T03:34:21 < zyp> yes 2013-08-12T03:35:05 < zyp> http://www.digikey.no/product-detail/en/B4B-XH-AM(LF)(SN)(P)/455-2237-ND/1651035 <- it's for these 2013-08-12T03:35:47 < zyp> board is supposed to look like this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/SdoRn.png http://bin.jvnv.net/f/DY5rb.png 2013-08-12T03:36:10 < dongs> right ok 2013-08-12T03:36:26 < dongs> lol @ tagconnect 2013-08-12T03:36:55 < zyp> :p 2013-08-12T03:37:22 < zyp> I figure I put a normal connector on the first board for development, then just use tag-connect to flash bootloaders to all the others 2013-08-12T03:38:16 < zyp> oh, by the way, how many boards do I get? 2013-08-12T03:38:57 < dongs> 10-12 of the 1st one, same of 2nd if it fits, otherwise whatever's in next panel 2013-08-12T03:39:49 < zyp> ok, that sounds like what I need 2013-08-12T03:40:20 < zyp> how's the price on decent (fast) shipping from jp? 2013-08-12T03:40:33 < dongs> 1500 or so 2013-08-12T03:40:50 < dongs> maybe 1700 since its heavy 2013-08-12T03:41:36 < zyp> how fast is that supposed to be? 2013-08-12T03:41:46 < dongs> EMS. 2013-08-12T03:41:50 < dongs> it'll leave JP in <24 hours 2013-08-12T03:42:06 < dongs> land in your place in ~48 2013-08-12T03:42:14 < dongs> after that whatever long it takes for your shitty customs/post office to process itr 2013-08-12T03:42:16 < zyp> ah, EMS 2013-08-12T03:44:16 < dongs> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1012451_620148208051255_1416963781_n.jpg wat 2013-08-12T03:45:03 < zyp> seen before, looks like a fun troll 2013-08-12T03:47:17 < upgrdman> soccer is a weird sport http://i.imgur.com/Q4kzESV.jpg 2013-08-12T03:47:52 < gxti> don't be so heteronormative upgrdman 2013-08-12T03:48:13 < upgrdman> wtf kind of word is that? 2013-08-12T04:05:35 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-12T04:19:36 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T04:22:15 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-12T04:40:00 < R2COM> haha 2013-08-12T04:40:39 < R2COM> for those hackers who dont feel like they want to use uC's I2C and software shitbanging is better, why they use uC at all 2013-08-12T04:40:49 < R2COM> maybe they should go and use an XMOS xD 2013-08-12T04:47:56 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.177] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-12T05:10:29 < dongs> xmos, haha 2013-08-12T05:13:55 < R2COM> thinking to buy this http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-GLM80-Li-Ion-Distance-Measurer/dp/B005AZZNXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376238914&sr=8-1&keywords=GLM+80 2013-08-12T05:14:42 < dongs> i thought it measures li-ion distance 2013-08-12T05:15:01 < R2COM> and angle 2013-08-12T05:15:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T05:19:23 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-12T05:55:26 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-12T06:00:32 < dongs> lol 2013-08-12T06:00:33 < dongs> i had eagle open 2013-08-12T06:00:39 < dongs> it crashed when I added a new monitor 2013-08-12T06:00:45 < dongs> fucking trash 2013-08-12T06:01:29 < ds2> anyone know of any microcontroller (ST or otherwise) that has a built in voltage booster to driver a LED and can run form 1.5-3.0V? 2013-08-12T06:01:45 < ds2> and has low pin count package 2013-08-12T06:03:22 < dongs> that sounds liek a pretty specific request 2013-08-12T06:04:43 < ds2> I guess 2013-08-12T06:04:54 < ds2> trying to see if it is practical to squeeze in somethings 2013-08-12T06:05:39 < ds2> think the PSoC might have that 2013-08-12T06:06:03 < dongs> have what 2013-08-12T06:06:19 < ds2> has the LED driver on the package 2013-08-12T06:06:24 < dongs> you might be able to BUILD a stepup using some analog dicks on psoc 2013-08-12T06:06:26 < ds2> looking athe manuals now 2013-08-12T06:06:32 < dongs> but you'll need external fet and shit 2013-08-12T06:06:41 < ds2> no... they have a booster as part of their LCD controller 2013-08-12T06:07:19 < dongs> ic 2013-08-12T06:08:44 < ds2> but no details in their manuals. it just says it can drive 3V LCDs from 1.8V source 2013-08-12T06:08:46 < dongs> http://www.cypress.com/?id=2308 2013-08-12T06:08:48 < dongs> this trash? 2013-08-12T06:09:06 < dongs> nice video 2013-08-12T06:09:07 < dongs> jamming 2013-08-12T06:09:15 < ds2> no 2013-08-12T06:09:15 < dongs> PEE-SOC MARKETING TEAM 2013-08-12T06:09:19 < ds2> just hte plain old PSOC4 2013-08-12T06:11:41 < dongs> all that shit is great but 2013-08-12T06:11:53 < dongs> how is it cheaper than STM8 shit we're using now for led :) 2013-08-12T06:12:48 < dongs> USE THE GOOEY 2013-08-12T06:12:50 < ds2> can the stm8 boost from 1.5-3.0V to drive a blue LED? 2013-08-12T06:12:56 < dongs> no lol 2013-08-12T06:13:02 < ds2> oh. 2013-08-12T06:13:04 < dongs> our shit is powered from 24V 2013-08-12T06:13:16 < ds2> I want to do some stuff with LEDs powered from coin cells 2013-08-12T06:13:24 < ds2> either 2 LR44 or a single CR2032 2013-08-12T06:14:19 < dongs> im sure you can get a booster IC that'll fit in ~5x5mm including coil 2013-08-12T06:14:24 < dongs> + caps 2013-08-12T06:14:45 < ds2> processor and booster should not be more then the CR2032 size 2013-08-12T06:14:51 < ds2> so less then 20mm dia 2013-08-12T06:14:51 < dongs> sure 2013-08-12T06:14:57 < dongs> thats more than enough space dude. 2013-08-12T06:15:03 < ds2> on 1 side? 2013-08-12T06:15:06 < dongs> yeah? 2013-08-12T06:15:20 < dongs> 5x5mm MCU (anything), the rest is left for booster + whatever 2013-08-12T06:16:07 < ds2> hmmm 2013-08-12T06:16:26 < ds2> seems tight to squeeze in an inductor and caps 2013-08-12T06:16:45 < dongs> there's a ton of 3x3mm inductors 2013-08-12T06:16:51 < dongs> or somethin, even smaller 2013-08-12T06:17:15 < ds2> can the stm8 do capsense on its pins? 2013-08-12T06:17:21 < dongs> ya 2013-08-12T06:17:28 < dongs> one of the stm8 demoboards shits had capsense 2013-08-12T06:17:34 < ds2> actually...nix that, I don't want to learn yet another chip 2013-08-12T06:17:48 < dongs> stm32 has capsense too doesnt it 2013-08-12T06:17:59 < dongs> in L series or someshit 2013-08-12T06:18:04 < ds2> the lower power stuff? 2013-08-12T06:18:08 < dongs> y 2013-08-12T06:18:12 < emeb_mac> f3 has capsense 2013-08-12T06:18:30 < dongs> http://www.fujitsu.com/downloads/MICRO/fsa/pdf/products/analogproducts/pmic/MB39C326_PMIC_DS.pdf 2013-08-12T06:18:33 < ds2> let me something else 2013-08-12T06:18:33 < dongs> here you go 2013-08-12T06:18:48 < dongs> 2.15x1.94mm WLCSP 2013-08-12T06:18:51 < dongs> 0.4mm pitch 2013-08-12T06:19:04 < emeb_mac> fun 2013-08-12T06:19:04 < ds2> how you implement a LED powered by a CR2032 that turns on when touch and stays on for a little bit then turns off? 2013-08-12T06:19:21 < emeb_mac> what color? 2013-08-12T06:19:28 < R2COM> 2013-08-12T06:19:29 < ds2> let's say blue for now 2013-08-12T06:19:34 < emeb_mac> blue is harder 2013-08-12T06:19:40 < ds2> I know :D 2013-08-12T06:19:42 < emeb_mac> (higher Vf) 2013-08-12T06:19:56 < ds2> that's why I am looking for a booster 2013-08-12T06:20:05 < emeb_mac> death to blue LEDs 2013-08-12T06:20:07 < ds2> but even amber would cut it close 2013-08-12T06:20:14 < R2COM> I'm using Orange LEDs 2013-08-12T06:21:08 < emeb_mac> I've got some silly little green LED matrix projects that run fine from a CR2032 2013-08-12T06:21:23 < ds2> which green? the low Vf green or hte high Vf green? 2013-08-12T06:21:25 < emeb_mac> don't even need a current limit resistor. :) 2013-08-12T06:21:43 < ds2> yes, but I want the capsense to act as a power switch 2013-08-12T06:21:59 < ds2> how long can you keep the green LED lite? 6-8hrs? 2013-08-12T06:22:08 < dongs> http://www.ams.com/eng/Products/Power-Management/DC-DC-Step-up-Converters/AS1323 2013-08-12T06:22:09 < dongs> nifty 2013-08-12T06:22:30 < dongs> ds2: http://www.cypress.com/?id=4&rID=29397 2013-08-12T06:22:39 < dongs> sounds like youre going with pdong after all 2013-08-12T06:23:03 < dongs> oh 2013-08-12T06:23:05 < dongs> its not anything smart 2013-08-12T06:23:09 < dongs> it just wakes up periodically 2013-08-12T06:23:09 < dongs> trash 2013-08-12T06:23:19 < ds2> this AS1323 looks nice 2013-08-12T06:23:29 < dongs> eyah but its nothing special 2013-08-12T06:23:35 < dongs> there's a ton of boosters in that (and smaller) pkg 2013-08-12T06:23:41 < dongs> with similar specs 2013-08-12T06:23:52 < ds2> oh 2013-08-12T06:24:07 < ds2> bbl, need to make dinner 2013-08-12T06:24:24 < R2COM> whats on dinner? 2013-08-12T06:24:29 < dongs> even digikey has it 2013-08-12T06:24:29 < dongs> neat 2013-08-12T06:24:48 < dongs> oh, nonstock mostly 2013-08-12T06:24:53 < dongs> only 2.7V output version is stock 2013-08-12T06:25:26 < R2COM> its worth asking them, I seen situations in which it shows non stock, when I call them they say they have it or will have within few days 2013-08-12T06:26:03 < R2COM> and reverse situations unfortunately too... 2013-08-12T06:26:12 < dongs> sure 2013-08-12T06:27:59 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-12T06:28:07 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T06:33:53 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T06:36:08 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T06:47:15 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T07:01:17 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T07:04:14 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T07:15:21 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-46-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-12T07:16:23 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-8-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T07:41:38 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-8-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-12T07:44:52 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-59-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T07:44:52 -!- Activate_for_mor is now known as Inteliada 2013-08-12T07:45:22 < dongs> whats bloggin 2013-08-12T07:46:40 < R2COM> going through inertial calculation papers 2013-08-12T07:48:18 < dongs> i thought spacex would have a separte department for that 2013-08-12T07:48:46 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-21-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T07:49:11 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-21-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-12T07:49:25 < R2COM> if I go through that stuff and know it, I can insult other people and troll on them 2013-08-12T07:49:27 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-21-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T07:49:57 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-59-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-12T07:51:21 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T07:52:01 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-12T07:52:16 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-21-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-12T07:53:25 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-12T08:10:06 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-68-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T08:14:35 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T08:17:15 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-68-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-12T08:31:07 < dongs> http://www.combinatorialdesign.com/static/designs/HBBR_Scanner/assembly/HBBR_Scanner_assembly_60dpi.png any idea what the fuck this is? 2013-08-12T08:31:54 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T08:33:21 < jpa-> dongs: it's a 3d scanner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h366hjkbfsw 2013-08-12T08:33:34 < dongs> rofl, i guess i shoulda googled 2013-08-12T08:33:55 < dongs> what does it do? 2013-08-12T08:33:59 < dongs> rotate the shit or something? 2013-08-12T08:34:30 < jpa-> yeah, rotates, shines a line laser and probably uses a webcam to see where the laser hits 2013-08-12T08:34:37 < dongs> looks opensoresy 2013-08-12T08:34:48 < jpa-> no no, highly professional looking! 2013-08-12T08:36:14 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-12T08:36:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T09:04:50 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.243.92] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T09:04:53 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-12T09:05:31 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T09:06:15 < Tectu> jpa-, why does it "flash" the laser and doesn't keep it on all the time? 2013-08-12T09:07:53 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T09:08:36 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.246.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-12T09:11:55 < jpa-> Tectu: perhaps to calculate difference between on&off to better detect the laser when there is other light also 2013-08-12T09:13:55 < Tectu> jpa-, interesting 2013-08-12T09:16:29 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-12T09:21:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T09:33:53 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T09:35:49 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-12T09:52:44 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-51-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T09:56:15 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T09:57:28 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-12T10:13:23 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T10:15:23 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T10:18:23 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T10:26:19 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T10:29:26 -!- mrcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T10:30:28 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T10:33:41 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-12T10:34:23 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-12T10:42:32 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T10:43:37 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-12T10:44:29 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T10:49:04 < dongs> zyp: http://www.timingtm.com/uploads/EC0F9AD6-FE0B-438F-AF2D-B1D83DD0C568.jpg 2013-08-12T10:49:44 < dongs> plz redo, shit is on hold 2013-08-12T10:56:35 < zyp> ok, give me a moment 2013-08-12T10:59:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6qPoI3I.jpg haha 2013-08-12T10:59:18 < dongs> aidsfruit jewpad adapter 2013-08-12T10:59:29 < dongs> welcome to me last year 2013-08-12T11:01:15 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-12T11:04:08 < dongs> zyp: today would be nice. your shit is the last one waiting 2013-08-12T11:04:18 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-12T11:08:04 < zyp> dongs, sure, I just had to get in front of a windows machine, fixing it now 2013-08-12T11:08:26 < dongs> i'm sure that was hard, you opensores zealot 2013-08-12T11:08:39 < dongs> you probably stumbled over 900 lunix machines on the way to it 2013-08-12T11:08:53 < zyp> nah, I drove to work 2013-08-12T11:09:13 < dongs> email that shit 2013-08-12T11:09:51 < dongs> gbo is also uselss blank layer 2013-08-12T11:09:57 < dongs> gbp too 2013-08-12T11:10:22 < zyp> sure, that's bottom silk and paste, I don't have anything on bottom, so that's natural 2013-08-12T11:10:41 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T11:10:46 < dongs> right. 2013-08-12T11:11:17 < dongs> so iheard president of norgay drives a taxi now 2013-08-12T11:11:23 < dongs> it was big news in japan. 2013-08-12T11:11:26 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-51-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T11:12:22 < zyp> ok, mailed 2013-08-12T11:12:55 < dongs> k 2013-08-12T11:13:01 < dongs> are you paying for stencil before this shit comes out? 2013-08-12T11:13:04 < dongs> and/or F303;'s? 2013-08-12T11:13:19 < zyp> before? 2013-08-12T11:13:23 < dongs> i mean 2013-08-12T11:13:30 < dongs> its out in 2-3 days 2013-08-12T11:13:36 < dongs> stencil should be gotten a day before 2013-08-12T11:13:39 < dongs> if you want it shipped same time 2013-08-12T11:13:49 < zyp> sure 2013-08-12T11:13:56 < dongs> so you got until... tomrorwo or next day to decide 2013-08-12T11:14:02 < dongs> bbl, fucking wasting time all day at this shit today 2013-08-12T11:14:06 < dongs> gonna bike around 2013-08-12T11:15:12 < zyp> I tried putting some thought into it, but concluded I don't have any other designs right now that I need a stencil for 2013-08-12T11:20:07 < zyp> and as for F303s, I'd like enough for the boards that they are going on 2013-08-12T11:25:04 < zyp> 10:11:23 < dongs> it was big news in japan. 2013-08-12T11:25:24 < zyp> just read norwegian news writing about how it turned viral 2013-08-12T11:25:38 < zyp> it's apparently part of his election campaign 2013-08-12T11:36:09 -!- olasd [~olasd@pdpc/supporter/active/olasd] has quit [Quit: brb] 2013-08-12T11:37:01 -!- olasd [~olasd@pdpc/supporter/active/olasd] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T11:37:54 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-51-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T11:41:13 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-109.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T11:41:24 < timemob> Zyp via is to small 2013-08-12T11:41:35 < timemob> 0.2min 2013-08-12T11:41:37 < timemob> Fix 2013-08-12T11:41:53 < timemob> 0.2/0.25 OK 2013-08-12T11:43:39 < timemob> Fgt 2013-08-12T11:44:31 < zyp> huh? 2013-08-12T11:44:34 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-109.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-12T11:44:42 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-109.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T11:45:36 < zyp> 0.2 what? 2013-08-12T11:45:41 < timemob> Mm 2013-08-12T11:45:55 < zyp> uh, there should be no vias that small 2013-08-12T11:46:26 < zyp> all vias are 10 mil, i.e. 0.254mm 2013-08-12T11:48:02 < timemob> Checking 2013-08-12T11:48:16 < timemob> Fucking doing this shit while on a bike 2013-08-12T11:48:39 < zyp> the NC I just sent you says T1F00S00C0.01000, that would be 0.01 inches, i.e. 10 mil 2013-08-12T11:50:30 < timemob> K lemme ask wtf their taking about 2013-08-12T11:50:49 < zyp> please do 2013-08-12T11:51:18 < timemob> http://www.timingtm.com/uploads/B23F6B06-CCDF-430B-B46D-0CD3C121D3B1.jpg 2013-08-12T11:52:02 < timemob> Oh 2013-08-12T11:52:04 < timemob> The ring 2013-08-12T11:52:18 < zyp> wat 2013-08-12T11:52:22 < timemob> I do 10/20 2013-08-12T11:52:32 < timemob> What's your out diameter 2013-08-12T11:52:36 < zyp> 20 2013-08-12T11:52:40 < timemob> .... 2013-08-12T11:55:31 < timemob> Check the shit again 2013-08-12T11:55:47 < timemob> make via is 0.25 mm and round 0.2 (min) 2013-08-12T11:56:19 < zyp> ring width should be 0.2? 2013-08-12T11:56:42 < zyp> i.e. 8 mil? that would make the full via diameter 26mil 2013-08-12T11:56:50 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-109.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T11:56:50 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-109.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-12T11:56:57 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-109.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T11:57:04 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-109.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-12T11:58:28 < t1memob> Look at the Gerber the hole is 5mil 2013-08-12T12:02:18 < qyx_> if the measured distance on the picture is 0.13mm, then the hole diameter is definitely more than 5mil (0.127mm), it seems to be about twice that distance 2013-08-12T12:02:26 -!- timemob [~dongs@149.110.131.180.west.global.crust-r.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T12:05:02 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-109.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T12:06:45 -!- tim3mob [~dongs@y250149.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T12:08:05 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T12:09:52 < dongs> ok so waht teh fuck 2013-08-12T12:09:57 -!- timemob [~dongs@149.110.131.180.west.global.crust-r.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-12T12:09:58 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2013-08-12T12:09:59 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2013-08-12T12:10:32 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T12:10:47 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-12T12:11:02 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T12:11:54 -!- tim3mob [~dongs@y250149.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-12T12:14:02 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-12T12:16:15 < dongs> k lemme look at this trash myself 2013-08-12T12:16:46 < zyp> I sent some updated gerbers 2013-08-12T12:16:52 < dongs> k 2013-08-12T12:16:53 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-51-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-12T12:17:08 < zyp> didn't touch via sizes, but I fixed some solder mask dumbness 2013-08-12T12:17:14 < zyp> dunno if that's related 2013-08-12T12:17:24 < dongs> no 2013-08-12T12:17:27 < dongs> what is via size 2013-08-12T12:17:31 < zyp> 10 mil 2013-08-12T12:19:29 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Cd1VQ.png 2013-08-12T12:19:33 < zyp> no DRC violations 2013-08-12T12:26:30 < dongs> doubleclick any via and show me dialog that looks like this http://www.timingtm.com/uploads/F1144CE7-D7F6-4DE8-B268-2646DC6C5327.jpg 2013-08-12T12:27:47 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ZzTjO.png 2013-08-12T12:28:39 < zyp> this is the exact one in the previous pic you posted 2013-08-12T12:28:53 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-12T12:29:07 < dongs> da fuq are they smoking 2013-08-12T12:29:12 < dongs> i just measured the shit its 20mil diamaeter 2013-08-12T12:32:19 < dongs> k 2013-08-12T12:32:25 < dongs> hes smoking cock 2013-08-12T12:32:28 < dongs> passed 2013-08-12T12:32:47 < dongs> using latest file 2013-08-12T12:33:01 < zyp> ok, good 2013-08-12T12:54:00 -!- Joker_ [d47c00ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.0.173] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T12:57:59 < Laurenceb> http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/55979/1188936163/24ly9.jpg 2013-08-12T12:58:57 < dongs> whats the funny 2013-08-12T12:59:35 < Laurenceb> http://www.b3tards.com/u/fa2a3ab468c53bb760c2/m_c_donalds.jpg 2013-08-12T13:01:34 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-12T13:03:05 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T13:05:03 <+Steffanx> just curious dongs. By bike you mean a motor bike? 2013-08-12T13:06:28 < dongs> no, bicycle 2013-08-12T13:07:22 <+Steffanx> That doesn't fit in my 'dongs' profile. :P 2013-08-12T13:35:59 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-46-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T13:45:27 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@bas1-london15-1168017428.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-12T13:45:37 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@bas1-london15-1168017428.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T14:00:54 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-46-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-12T14:04:03 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T14:07:49 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T14:08:18 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-25-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T14:09:02 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.138.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T14:10:38 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T14:14:20 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.138.139] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T14:19:18 < dongs> cocks 2013-08-12T14:21:04 < GargantuaSauce> I agree completely 2013-08-12T14:23:53 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-25-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T14:26:18 < dongs> hm 2013-08-12T14:26:22 < dongs> sam3u has highspeed USB 2013-08-12T14:26:46 < dongs> i really should just shut up and try USB3300 with F4 thou... 2013-08-12T14:26:54 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-89-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T14:27:23 < zyp> doesn't your F2 waveshare stuff have that? 2013-08-12T14:27:32 < dongs> yes, sure. 2013-08-12T14:27:37 < dongs> plus i have that breakout too. 2013-08-12T14:27:48 < dongs> tho wavewshare would be easier to dick with w.o wires 2013-08-12T14:28:16 < zyp> yeah, just plug it together and load some code to it 2013-08-12T14:28:48 < zyp> I did that when I were dicking with mass storage last year, seemed to work without much hassle 2013-08-12T14:30:25 < dongs> lets see what SPI runs max on F2 at 2013-08-12T14:31:27 < dongs> oh it has dcmi too 2013-08-12T14:31:52 < dongs> think i can troll dcmi into grabbing some parallel data? 2013-08-12T14:31:57 < dongs> that isnt camera related at all 2013-08-12T14:32:43 < GargantuaSauce> i think so, i was sort of looking at doing that and there doesnt seem to be any major hurdles 2013-08-12T14:33:12 < dongs> SPI = 30mbit on F2. 2013-08-12T14:33:14 < dongs> argh 2013-08-12T14:33:25 < dongs> need 42. so ill be trying dcmi first. heh 2013-08-12T14:34:34 < dongs> 100pin minimum package for DCMI 2013-08-12T14:35:12 < dongs> hm or wat 2013-08-12T14:36:10 < dongs> time to try: microexcplorer 2013-08-12T14:37:06 < dongs> STM32F207xx products 2013-08-12T14:37:13 < dongs> looks like 207 doesn't even come in 64pin 2013-08-12T14:37:15 < dongs> so that answers that. 2013-08-12T14:38:15 < dongs> what a moronic pinout.. 2013-08-12T14:38:26 < dongs> all DCMI bits are spread around all sides of the chip 2013-08-12T14:39:01 < qyx_> try that spi with some signal generator, maybe it can handle higher rates at rx 2013-08-12T14:39:19 < qyx_> or dcmi then, pixclk should work as data strobe 2013-08-12T14:39:25 < dongs> yeah, i could try spi w/F4disco 2013-08-12T14:39:32 < dongs> its like 3mhz above 'max' in datshet 2013-08-12T14:39:35 < dongs> it might "work" 2013-08-12T14:40:26 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-89-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-12T14:41:36 < dongs> ... still cant believe how idiotic the pinout is 2013-08-12T14:41:43 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-25-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T14:43:55 < dongs> hm, my F2 waveshare isnt setup for ULPI 2013-08-12T14:44:07 < dongs> oops. 2013-08-12T14:48:06 < dongs> but why the fuck do i have the braekout... 2013-08-12T14:51:26 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-25-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T14:56:25 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-25-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T14:59:34 < dongs> looks like i can maybe nigger up my breakout on top of F2 waveshare 2013-08-12T14:59:37 < dongs> using JUMPER CABLES 2013-08-12T14:59:43 < dongs> if I have that many 2013-08-12T15:09:23 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-25-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T15:10:18 < zyp> you don't have one of those that plugs directly into it? 2013-08-12T15:11:21 < dongs> nope 2013-08-12T15:11:25 < dongs> not on F207Z waveshare 2013-08-12T15:11:34 < dongs> i mean i have hte dongle but for some reason tehre's no socket for it 2013-08-12T15:11:35 < dongs> on the board 2013-08-12T15:11:56 < zyp> wat, I thought it was same board for F207Z and F407Z 2013-08-12T15:12:29 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/vV9Bt.JPG <- even says 207Z on my board 2013-08-12T15:12:42 < dongs> http://propix.com.pl/userdata/gfx/61cc732e0aed2dcbae994b11deec9fba.jpg 2013-08-12T15:12:53 < dongs> mine lacks that part that says "ulpi" 2013-08-12T15:13:15 < zyp> heh 2013-08-12T15:13:54 < dongs> mine has SDIO there 2013-08-12T15:14:02 < dongs> then i2c1/2 stacked 2013-08-12T15:17:00 < dongs> also I2S part on left is missing 2013-08-12T15:17:11 < dongs> I just have "8 I/Os" 2013-08-12T15:20:48 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-12T15:27:38 < dongs> apparently theres a bug in stdperuphlib 2013-08-12T15:27:40 < dongs> with comparators 2013-08-12T15:27:51 < dongs> a jew here spent overnight trying to figure it out 2013-08-12T15:27:57 < dongs> they were setting some selection bits wrong 2013-08-12T15:28:06 < dongs> on F3 2013-08-12T15:28:29 < zyp> heh 2013-08-12T15:28:35 < zyp> sounds fun 2013-08-12T15:28:54 < dongs> ya it was epic 2013-08-12T15:31:55 < Laurenceb> cuz actually they were watching pronz most of the night 2013-08-12T15:32:45 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lyudeTqggE&feature=player_embedded 2013-08-12T15:32:48 < Laurenceb> lol first text 2013-08-12T15:34:43 < dongs> lol fucking japs 2013-08-12T15:37:13 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/12/vulture_2_tease/ 2013-08-12T15:37:17 < Laurenceb> whaT THE FUUUU 2013-08-12T15:37:53 < Laurenceb> do they have any clue if thats even aerodynamically stable 2013-08-12T15:38:27 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-12T15:38:45 < zyp> Laurenceb, I bet they're only doing it to troll you 2013-08-12T15:39:42 < Laurenceb> prob 2013-08-12T15:40:02 < dongs> haha 3d printing 2013-08-12T15:41:30 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@51.244.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T15:47:40 < Laurenceb> looks like cargo cult aerodynamics 2013-08-12T15:49:40 < GargantuaSauce> a nylon spaceplane with servomotor-driven control surfaces 2013-08-12T15:49:42 < GargantuaSauce> what could go wrong 2013-08-12T15:55:20 <+Steffanx> Pros on IRC always know things better. 2013-08-12T15:57:19 < GargantuaSauce> damn straight 2013-08-12T15:57:20 < Laurenceb> true that 2013-08-12T15:59:35 < Laurenceb> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/10/connecticut-plane-crash-six-feared-dead 2013-08-12T15:59:43 < Laurenceb> looks like he broke the windoze 2013-08-12T15:59:50 < GargantuaSauce> i could 3d print a spaceplane in my sleep 2013-08-12T15:59:52 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@51.244.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-12T15:59:57 < GargantuaSauce> all the info i need is just a google away! 2013-08-12T16:00:18 <+Steffanx> You google in your sleep? 2013-08-12T16:00:51 <+Steffanx> lol i liked that joke.. you're doing well today Laurenceb :P 2013-08-12T16:01:04 <+Steffanx> you stole it uh? 2013-08-12T16:11:49 < dongs> zyp: btw both of your shit made it 2013-08-12T16:12:08 < dongs> oh i guess i probably said that already. 2013-08-12T16:18:17 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T16:19:43 < zyp> I kinda understood that, since I had to fix shit on the second board 2013-08-12T16:21:06 < dongs> yea but that doesnt necessarily mean it would make it in today 2013-08-12T16:22:18 -!- CoolBeer is now known as CoolBear 2013-08-12T16:22:20 < zyp> you seemed to be in a hurry about getting it fixed 2013-08-12T16:22:45 < zyp> either way, that's good 2013-08-12T16:23:54 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A81IwlDeV6c 2013-08-12T16:25:56 -!- FmOut [~quassel@78.180.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T16:48:15 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv0KiTJxTeg&feature=player_embedded&t=22 2013-08-12T17:10:46 -!- Luggi09 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T17:11:04 -!- Luggi09 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T17:14:32 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-41-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T17:16:20 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-87-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T17:17:25 < zyp> https://github.com/philipl/pifs 2013-08-12T17:19:04 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-41-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-12T17:20:46 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-87-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-12T17:21:02 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-87-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T17:25:44 <+Steffanx> heh 2013-08-12T17:26:08 <+Steffanx> Even better than the fs dekar_ made :) 2013-08-12T17:32:18 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-12T17:34:27 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T17:42:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T17:49:22 -!- Inrelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T17:53:02 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-87-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-12T17:57:42 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-12T18:01:59 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.32.70] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T18:02:02 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar__] by ChanServ 2013-08-12T18:04:53 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.243.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-12T18:10:54 < Laurenceb> arggggggg 2013-08-12T18:11:04 < Laurenceb> aspegers case keeps locking all the doors 2013-08-12T18:11:52 < Laurenceb> theres an autistic freak persistently locking all available locks 2013-08-12T18:12:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-12T18:16:51 < gxti> on the bright side i guess you're not the most dysfunctional person in the building 2013-08-12T18:18:51 < Laurenceb> on the negative im now locked in my office 2013-08-12T18:20:13 < zyp> to be fair, you ought to be locked in 2013-08-12T18:21:29 < Laurenceb> then ill troll irc FOREVER 2013-08-12T18:40:09 <+Steffanx> Call the cops! 2013-08-12T18:42:54 -!- izzy84075 [~izzy84075@50.46.28.160] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-12T18:46:09 -!- izzy84075 [~izzy84075@50.46.28.160] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T18:49:34 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-12T19:00:11 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T19:02:13 < bsdfox> anyone know why st decided to put gpio on the AHB bus for the cortex m0 parts? is that common across other vendors? 2013-08-12T19:02:24 < Laurenceb> so its fast 2013-08-12T19:02:31 < Laurenceb> to keep ardutards happy 2013-08-12T19:02:44 < Laurenceb> they can bitbang their failbusses 2013-08-12T19:02:57 < zyp> LM4F also have GPIO on AHB 2013-08-12T19:03:08 < zyp> so it's not uncommon 2013-08-12T19:03:25 < Laurenceb> should be LMF40 2013-08-12T19:03:33 < emeb> IIRC some of the NXP parts have the GPIO on both AHB and APB (for backward compatibility) 2013-08-12T19:03:47 < bsdfox> interesting 2013-08-12T19:03:48 < zyp> emeb, that's what LM4F has 2013-08-12T19:04:45 < emeb> lol - "bitbang the failbus" 2013-08-12T19:05:11 * emeb is easily amused 2013-08-12T19:05:28 < zyp> bitbangbus 2013-08-12T19:05:38 < emeb> it's the latest thing 2013-08-12T19:06:12 < emeb> totally flexible - a new concept in freeform protocols 2013-08-12T19:09:12 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-12T19:09:12 -!- dfletcher_ [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T19:09:14 -!- dfletcher_ is now known as dfletcher 2013-08-12T19:18:47 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-88-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T19:21:57 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.138.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-12T19:26:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-12T20:17:02 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@224.sub-75-196-100.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T20:17:57 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-12T20:43:01 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-88-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-12T20:46:33 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-88-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T21:04:55 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-12T21:51:19 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-88-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-12T22:13:16 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T22:13:16 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-12T22:31:57 -!- crised_ [~crised@190.96.21.152] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T22:31:59 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T22:35:23 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs 2013-08-12T22:35:27 < Laurenceb_> ttp://www.interpals.net/LaurenceB 2013-08-12T22:35:32 < Laurenceb_> i see you trolling 2013-08-12T22:36:16 < Laurenceb_> reverse dns'd me too, very crafty 2013-08-12T22:36:30 < zyp> did you get any penpals? 2013-08-12T22:36:44 < Laurenceb_> dunno 2013-08-12T22:36:49 < Laurenceb_> thats clearly dongs skype 2013-08-12T22:38:36 <+Steffanx> "dongpal" 2013-08-12T22:39:24 <+Steffanx> 'He' is online and Laurence, 19 y.o. .. go for it Laurenceb_ 2013-08-12T22:40:16 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:4a3:91e3:a67:cdc8] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T22:40:17 < Laurenceb_> dongs is online here too... 2013-08-12T22:40:33 <+Steffanx> He is away. 2013-08-12T22:42:28 <+Steffanx> Can you still deal with it Laurenceb_? Must be hard to think you're getting trolled 24/7 :P 2013-08-12T22:43:03 < Laurenceb_> its a very odd trolling technique 2013-08-12T22:43:07 < Laurenceb_> i dont really care 2013-08-12T22:43:16 < gxti> mmhmm 2013-08-12T22:44:01 <+Steffanx> I mean.. there are probably more laurenceBs on the world than just you. 2013-08-12T22:44:36 < Laurenceb_> goodle reveals only one 2013-08-12T22:44:39 < Laurenceb_> in 1890 2013-08-12T22:45:14 <+Steffanx> what? Only one laurence b. ? 2013-08-12T22:45:30 <+Steffanx> or only one laurence blaxter? 2013-08-12T22:45:48 <+Steffanx> That page doenst show me he is called like that. 2013-08-12T22:45:50 < Laurenceb_> the second one 2013-08-12T22:46:15 < Laurenceb_> but i live in the same town... 2013-08-12T22:46:35 <+Steffanx> Ah 2013-08-12T22:46:41 <+Steffanx> :) 2013-08-12T22:46:44 <+Steffanx> Get the phonebook 2013-08-12T22:47:01 <+Steffanx> Call everyone who's lastname starts with a B 2013-08-12T22:48:19 <+Steffanx> "Top-performing A-level students include Laurence Blaxter" LOLOL. 2013-08-12T22:50:11 <+Steffanx> You know we're getting closer and closer to a visit Laurenceb_? We now your name, where you live... 2013-08-12T22:50:16 <+Steffanx> *know 2013-08-12T22:50:22 < Laurenceb_> noooooo 2013-08-12T22:53:17 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T22:54:43 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-12T22:54:45 <+Steffanx> How you cannot like that? 2013-08-12T22:54:53 <+Steffanx> A visit from your buddies 2013-08-12T22:56:18 -!- alexn [~alexn@2a02:810d:15c0:84e:4a3:91e3:a67:cdc8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-12T23:12:41 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-49-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T23:13:29 -!- Inrelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-12T23:21:30 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2013-08-12T23:21:30 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2013-08-12T23:22:00 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T23:22:24 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-12T23:22:54 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T23:23:24 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T23:24:52 < emeb> More Freescale swag: http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=FRDM-KL02Z&tid=elq_cam667 2013-08-12T23:25:16 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-12T23:25:16 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-12T23:26:27 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T23:26:57 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T23:27:46 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-12T23:27:46 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-12T23:28:16 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T23:28:46 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T23:33:25 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-12T23:46:06 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@178-27-146-227-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Day changed Tue Aug 13 2013 2013-08-13T00:08:31 -!- crised_ [~crised@190.96.21.152] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-13T00:28:00 < Laurenceb_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSPICE#Limitations_of_PSpice 2013-08-13T00:28:10 < Laurenceb_> 4. The PC version needs 512 kilobytes of memory (RAM) to run. 2013-08-13T00:28:12 < Laurenceb_> lolling 2013-08-13T00:28:24 -!- FmOut [~quassel@78.180.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-13T00:28:57 < GargantuaSauce> what a bloated piece of shit 2013-08-13T00:29:23 < Laurenceb_> so bill gates was right 2013-08-13T00:30:33 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389212/Hannah-Smith-Suicide-teen-trolled-say-Latvian-website-chiefs-Ask-fm.html 2013-08-13T00:30:39 < Laurenceb_> lol self trolled to death 2013-08-13T00:32:51 < GargantuaSauce> twist: it was the dad 2013-08-13T00:32:59 < Laurenceb_> yeah lolz 2013-08-13T00:39:58 < Laurenceb_> it was clearly the dad 2013-08-13T00:45:09 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-13T00:50:11 <+Steffanx> And you know that because you are a psychic? 2013-08-13T01:01:13 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-13T01:01:47 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-13T01:02:25 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T01:05:57 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@c-71-224-59-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-13T01:06:24 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@c-71-224-59-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T01:08:04 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-13T01:08:10 -!- DLPeterson [~AndChat16@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T01:33:21 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-13T01:34:58 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T01:34:58 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-13T01:34:58 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T01:40:38 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-13T01:41:49 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T01:42:46 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321182347197 snagged this w/best offer ^_^ 2013-08-13T01:43:30 < Laurenceb_> dongs have you been trolling me with reverse dns? 2013-08-13T01:43:40 < Laurenceb_> ttp://www.interpals.net/LaurenceB 2013-08-13T01:43:50 < Laurenceb_> WTF 2013-08-13T01:44:02 < dongs> haha 2013-08-13T01:44:06 < dongs> at least teh age is right 2013-08-13T01:44:09 < Laurenceb_> seriously wtf 2013-08-13T01:44:14 < Laurenceb_> thats where i live 2013-08-13T01:44:15 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2013-08-13T01:44:29 < Laurenceb_> somes trolling 2013-08-13T01:44:37 < emeb> love the catbeard 2013-08-13T01:44:39 < dongs> probly one of your pals from highaltitude 2013-08-13T01:44:45 < Laurenceb_> maybes 2013-08-13T01:44:57 < Laurenceb_> anyways 2013-08-13T01:45:00 < Laurenceb_> http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/hyperloop_alpha-20130812.pdf 2013-08-13T01:45:47 < dongs> looks like R2COM has been busy 2013-08-13T01:45:56 < Laurenceb_> who is R2COM? 2013-08-13T01:46:00 < dongs> the guy from spacex 2013-08-13T01:46:03 < dongs> who chats in here 2013-08-13T01:46:13 < Laurenceb_> oh 2013-08-13T01:46:39 < Laurenceb_> prob musk in disguise 2013-08-13T01:46:52 < Laurenceb_> this hyperloop thing seems genius 2013-08-13T01:46:57 < Laurenceb_> i dont follow yet 2013-08-13T01:47:03 < Laurenceb_> pdf is sooo looonnnggg 2013-08-13T01:47:25 < Laurenceb_> maybe i need to get a job with musk 2013-08-13T01:55:50 < Laurenceb_> dont like the linear motor part 2013-08-13T01:56:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T02:10:40 < qyx_> ehy 2013-08-13T02:10:42 < qyx_> *why 2013-08-13T02:11:19 < Laurenceb_> more complexity 2013-08-13T02:11:24 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2013-08-13T02:11:30 < qyx_> i've read some parts of that pdf, it all seems too theoretical to me 2013-08-13T02:11:35 < Laurenceb_> wow theres full aerodynamic analysis 2013-08-13T02:11:42 < Laurenceb_> ok i guess theres a reason in there 2013-08-13T02:12:02 < gxti> qyx_: yes, safety/reliability are addressed but pretty weak 2013-08-13T02:12:10 < qyx_> also, ~800 passengers per hour is not too much 2013-08-13T02:13:01 < Laurenceb_> its 3400 2013-08-13T02:14:43 < qyx_> ok, in peak hours its 120 capsules per hour, each with 28 passengers 2013-08-13T02:15:06 < dongs> i guess the capsules are small so when it crashes and kills evreyone you only kill 28 dudes? 2013-08-13T02:15:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-49-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-13T02:17:44 < Laurenceb_> haha 2013-08-13T02:18:02 < Laurenceb_> wow full thermodynamics and aerodynamics 2013-08-13T02:18:05 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2013-08-13T02:18:11 < emeb> love the steam storage idea 2013-08-13T02:18:27 < Laurenceb_> im wondering what the professionality ratio between this and the registers rocket project would be 2013-08-13T02:18:39 < Laurenceb_> im thinking... over 9 thoussssaaaannnddd 2013-08-13T02:19:10 < Laurenceb_> this is why musk is a billionaire not a perman00b loser 2013-08-13T02:25:02 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-13T02:28:11 -!- Joker_ [d47c00ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.0.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-13T02:33:35 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=-855&y=-73&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=CYV15G0101DXB-BBXC 2013-08-13T02:33:38 < dongs> wow, cool 2013-08-13T02:33:50 < dongs> same price as gennum TX , but has both tx/rx 2013-08-13T02:36:11 < emeb> heh. hotlink. 2013-08-13T02:40:01 < dongs> i wonder if i can get away w/single sided assembly for it 2013-08-13T02:40:20 < dongs> center of BGA = all GND 2013-08-13T02:40:24 < dongs> VCC's are on edges 2013-08-13T02:40:40 < emeb> huh. could do all decoupling on edges then 2013-08-13T02:40:46 < zyp> sounds nice 2013-08-13T02:40:57 < emeb> nice that they arranged it that way 2013-08-13T02:41:19 < dongs> i wonder if cypress would sample it. 2013-08-13T02:41:27 < dongs> "hi please send me $45 chip free kthx" 2013-08-13T02:41:31 < dongs> "evalboard would be nice too" 2013-08-13T02:46:35 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T02:51:23 < dongs> wtf is LVTTL, 1.8V or something? 2013-08-13T02:52:18 < qyx_> ttl is 5V, lvttl should be 3.3V 2013-08-13T02:52:25 < gxti> what he said 2013-08-13T02:52:55 < qyx_> http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=62014 2013-08-13T02:52:57 < qyx_> nice picture 2013-08-13T02:53:17 < gxti> the question is, when you see LVTTL what are the odds that it's actually LVTTL with its shitty current consumption and drive, or just CMOS? 2013-08-13T02:55:11 < zyp> probably cmos 2013-08-13T02:55:36 < emeb> very few chips these days use bipolar logic 2013-08-13T02:55:53 < emeb> and if they do, it's usually more likely to be ECL. 2013-08-13T02:56:53 < zyp> LVTTL is usually just about the levels, not the technology behind it 2013-08-13T02:57:26 < emeb> wonder if anyone actually ever made bipolar TTL that worked at 3.3V? 2013-08-13T02:59:46 < dongs> Note: #NC = Do Not connect 2013-08-13T02:59:53 < dongs> what do I do with those pins?? 2013-08-13T03:00:00 < qyx_> just do not connect them 2013-08-13T03:00:02 < gxti> anything other than connect them 2013-08-13T03:00:15 < emeb> rejoice in their existence? 2013-08-13T03:00:17 < gxti> set them on fire, feed them to a stray cat 2013-08-13T03:00:19 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T03:00:25 < emeb> curse them 2013-08-13T03:00:32 < dongs> still cant believe that VCC on that BGA is just in the corners 2013-08-13T03:00:34 < emeb> turn your back on them 2013-08-13T03:01:03 < gxti> use a microscope to examine the crystalline structure of the metal 2013-08-13T03:01:09 < dongs> and 1mm ball pitch 2013-08-13T03:01:16 < dongs> you could bake this in a home oven 2013-08-13T03:01:17 < qyx_> stray cat? 2013-08-13T03:01:33 < gxti> ez bake ICs 2013-08-13T03:01:35 < zyp> sounds even easier than my lpc4300 stuff 2013-08-13T03:01:52 < dongs> http://www.cypress.com/?docID=6062 aww yea 2013-08-13T03:01:57 < gxti> QFPs only have power on the "corners" too, you know 2013-08-13T03:02:11 < gxti> and they're bigger for the same number of pins too 2013-08-13T03:02:46 < zyp> ah, sfp cage 2013-08-13T03:02:53 < zyp> assumed as much 2013-08-13T03:04:23 < zyp> got a bunch of fiber transceivers here that I picked up once 2013-08-13T03:06:33 < dongs> gawd 2013-08-13T03:06:34 < gxti> i should play with fiber stuffs sometime, maybe come up with a poor-man's version of what CERN did with time transfer 2013-08-13T03:06:38 < dongs> schematics in that evalboard pdf are horrible 2013-08-13T03:06:46 < dongs> if you zoom in it looks like eagle 2013-08-13T03:20:14 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T03:26:56 < dongs> just gonna call them and ask what the fuck 2013-08-13T03:27:05 < dongs> PLEASE BE AWARE OUR MENU OPTIONS HAVE CHANGED 2013-08-13T03:29:00 < upgrdman> press 1 for english 2013-08-13T03:29:02 < dongs> did you notice, there's no PSoC 4 2013-08-13T03:29:06 < dongs> there's 1, 3, 5 2013-08-13T03:30:07 < emeb> inb4 PSoC7 2013-08-13T03:32:25 < emeb> New swag from TI: http://www.ti.com/ww/en/tideals/ 2013-08-13T03:32:50 < emeb> CCS. blech 2013-08-13T03:36:48 < emeb> that stellaris part doesn't look like anything to get very excited about. 2013-08-13T03:39:10 < dongs> MK4F shit? 2013-08-13T03:39:14 < emeb> 256kB flash, 32kB SRAM, 2kB EEPROM, 144-pin tqfp, 80MHz M4F, USB 2.0 OTG/Host/Device, 2 CAN, 8 UART, 6 I2C, 4 SSI 2013-08-13T03:39:14 < dongs> er LM4F 2013-08-13T03:39:16 < dongs> looks just as boring 2013-08-13T03:39:34 < dongs> crap composter 2013-08-13T03:40:42 < dongs> looks like i still have a cypress account 2013-08-13T03:40:46 < dongs> from back when I was using FX2 2013-08-13T03:42:18 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/1VQOZOb.jpg 2013-08-13T03:42:39 < dongs> pretty nice spacex stuff you got goin there R2COM 2013-08-13T03:46:23 < ds2> hmmm? 2013-08-13T03:46:27 < ds2> there is a PSOC4 2013-08-13T03:52:24 < R2COM> that PSoc thingy is something like uC+analog blocks+digital blocks etc yea 2013-08-13T03:52:38 < R2COM> I wonder if they have one with ARM core 2013-08-13T03:52:49 < ds2> hmm? 2013-08-13T03:52:54 < ds2> PSOC5, PSOC4 are ARM 2013-08-13T03:53:02 < R2COM> ok let me see 2013-08-13T03:53:05 < ds2> PSOC1 is screwy crap. PSOC3 is 8051 2013-08-13T03:53:06 < R2COM> lookinh 2013-08-13T03:53:29 < ds2> PSOC4 is a m0, PSOC5 is a m3 2013-08-13T03:53:43 < R2COM> so its like 20$ part 2013-08-13T03:54:18 < R2COM> 67MHz 2013-08-13T03:55:14 < R2COM> 4 comparators 2013-08-13T03:55:20 < R2COM> analog I guess from description 2013-08-13T03:55:31 < R2COM> well 2013-08-13T03:56:53 < R2COM> trying to think when that Psoc stuff could be beneficial.. 2013-08-13T03:57:16 < R2COM> I mean one can easily design similar stuff with separate analog components 2013-08-13T03:57:23 < dongs> when you wanna save BOM cost by integrating all teh external shit into an expensive single-chip solution 2013-08-13T03:57:26 < dongs> oh, wait.. 2013-08-13T03:57:28 < ds2> and a few uncommited opamp + some digital stuff along the lines of a few PALs 2013-08-13T03:57:31 < R2COM> unless PCB space is *really* a concern.. not sure whats a good use for Psoc 2013-08-13T03:57:33 < ds2> the PSOC5 is nicer 2013-08-13T03:57:43 < ds2> adds a DSP wannabe 2013-08-13T03:57:52 < R2COM> BOM cost? nah... similar amplifiers and comparators cost like cents... 2013-08-13T03:57:54 < R2COM> which BOM cost.. 2013-08-13T03:57:55 < dongs> ditial dong processing 2013-08-13T03:57:56 < ds2> the PSOC's seems like a nice bench tool 2013-08-13T03:57:59 < R2COM> paying 20$ for a chip? 2013-08-13T03:58:05 < ds2> quick and dirty hack ups to test ideas 2013-08-13T03:58:05 < R2COM> to save few cents.. 2013-08-13T03:58:25 < R2COM> ds2: for that purpose there are things called simulators ;) 2013-08-13T03:59:01 < ds2> SPICE doesn't quite do mixmode 2013-08-13T03:59:11 < ds2> and PLDs aren't that cheap 2013-08-13T03:59:23 < R2COM> mixed mode? 2013-08-13T03:59:39 < R2COM> what you mean "doesnt quite do" 2013-08-13T04:00:13 < ds2> digital/analog 2013-08-13T04:00:28 < R2COM> I did that in spice 2013-08-13T04:00:32 < ds2> like I can't simulate arm code processing analog stuff 2013-08-13T04:00:36 < R2COM> oh well 2013-08-13T04:00:42 < ds2> where do you get an ARM model for spice? 2013-08-13T04:01:10 < R2COM> why does spice need to do arm? 2013-08-13T04:01:15 < R2COM> spice is not for that 2013-08-13T04:01:30 < R2COM> and if you want to toggle analog stuff with digital output, you can produce stimulus as a file 2013-08-13T04:01:35 < R2COM> and make spice read that file 2013-08-13T04:01:40 < R2COM> and toggle whereas needed 2013-08-13T04:01:54 < dongs> 09/30/2011 Converted from FrameMaker to Word 2013-08-13T04:01:55 < dongs> Template Update 2013-08-13T04:01:56 < dongs> lol 2013-08-13T04:02:06 < dongs> no wonder cypress has gone to shit 2013-08-13T04:02:12 < dongs> and that explains unreadable schematic too 2013-08-13T04:02:18 < dongs> they proably pasted pic into word doc 2013-08-13T04:02:21 < dongs> and it promptly ruined it 2013-08-13T04:03:01 < R2COM> whoever wants to simulate/design mixed mode circuit knows how to get it done, I see no helper there in Psoc stuff. 2013-08-13T04:03:28 < R2COM> unless one really needs to save PCB space for mass product or something 2013-08-13T04:03:59 < R2COM> if he can get his stuff done right inside psoc of course. 2013-08-13T04:04:10 < R2COM> by the way about Word 2013-08-13T04:04:26 < R2COM> I heard that Latex is good software for tech. document editing, anyone heard of it? 2013-08-13T04:04:36 < ds2> you said simulate 2013-08-13T04:04:37 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T04:04:53 < ds2> or self modifying hardware ;) 2013-08-13T04:06:02 < R2COM> I'd be more happy to see ARM core + FPGA in one die for a *reasonable* price more than that Psoc toys 2013-08-13T04:10:27 < R2COM> also, your idea about what "mixed mode" actually is, kind of blurry. 2013-08-13T04:11:45 < R2COM> http://penzar.com/topspice/topspice8.htm#mixed-mode 2013-08-13T04:12:12 < ds2> the other fpga + arm core stuff isn't much cheaper 2013-08-13T04:12:20 < ds2> the psoc's might be the cheaper of those out there 2013-08-13T04:13:23 < dongs> hm i still need cable driver to tx and equalizer to rx 2013-08-13T04:13:26 < dongs> on top of that HOTLINK 2013-08-13T04:13:33 < dongs> but its ok still cheaper than gennum trash 2013-08-13T04:15:16 < dongs> Thank you for using the Cypress Technical Support. 2013-08-13T04:15:16 < dongs> We are working on your case and will post a response as soon as possible. 2013-08-13T04:15:17 < dongs> I am very appreciated with your patience. 2013-08-13T04:23:19 < emeb> I did some stuff with the ancient PSoC - the ones with the cpu that looks like a 6800. 2013-08-13T04:23:25 < dongs> M8? 2013-08-13T04:23:31 < emeb> ifinkso 2013-08-13T04:23:44 < dongs> me too, but i didnt like it 2013-08-13T04:23:52 < emeb> it worked OK, but sample rates / bit sizes are pretty weak. 2013-08-13T04:24:03 < emeb> yeah - programming was a pain. 2013-08-13T04:24:37 < emeb> IIUC the new ones don't really do switched cap anymore. they want you to use their digital filters. 2013-08-13T04:30:47 < R2COM> emeb is himself pretty ancient too xD 2013-08-13T04:31:33 < dongs> holy shit 2013-08-13T04:31:36 < dongs> cypress replied 2013-08-13T04:31:40 < dongs> with stuff i needed 2013-08-13T04:32:27 < R2COM> maybe the whole office left, workday over, just one guy was still there watching some porn, saw your email, decided to reply 2013-08-13T04:33:24 < upgrdman> any of you play with erector sets as kids? 2013-08-13T04:33:39 < R2COM> haha what? 2013-08-13T04:33:56 < englishman> meccano? yes 2013-08-13T04:34:05 < R2COM> wtf is that 2013-08-13T04:34:15 < upgrdman> like this http://www.samstoybox.com/toys/ErectorSet.html 2013-08-13T04:34:28 < R2COM> oooh! 2013-08-13T04:35:20 < dongs> they didn't have those in soviet russia 2013-08-13T04:35:20 < upgrdman> im reminiscing soo hard 2013-08-13T04:35:41 < R2COM> hell yes I did of course 2013-08-13T04:35:55 < R2COM> that was my favourite ones 2013-08-13T04:36:25 < R2COM> http://www.girdersandgears.com/autech.html 2013-08-13T04:36:34 < upgrdman> i recall making a boat, some sort of gun, and a catapult 2013-08-13T04:36:38 < upgrdman> fun times as a weee las 2013-08-13T04:40:42 < R2COM> I made fuckloads of things out of those 2013-08-13T04:41:03 < englishman> the commie erector set looks cooler 2013-08-13T04:41:32 < upgrdman> whats it look like? a cherynobyl with a mushroom cloud? 2013-08-13T04:42:13 < dongs> http://www.girdersandgears.com/russian/autech-front.jpg 2013-08-13T04:42:34 < englishman> http://www.girdersandgears.com/russian/military-models.jpg awesome 2013-08-13T04:42:55 < upgrdman> schweet 2013-08-13T04:42:56 < englishman> inferior american construction set only make doll houses 2013-08-13T04:44:07 < dongs> in soviet russia they teach you how to destroy evil american capitalism 2013-08-13T04:46:17 < emeb> R2COM: thanks for reminding me 2013-08-13T04:46:20 < upgrdman> in soviet russia americans seek asylum from persecution :/ 2013-08-13T04:46:29 < emeb> sad, but true 2013-08-13T04:46:37 < emeb> as long as they're not gay 2013-08-13T04:46:48 < dongs> snowman isn't american 2013-08-13T04:47:12 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@224.sub-75-196-100.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-13T04:51:19 < upgrdman> lolwut http://i.imgur.com/Im0Wbgl.png 2013-08-13T04:53:14 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". 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[this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b] 2013-08-13T04:53:59 < R2COM> snowman is american http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/cSC5k2Z4DPI/hqdefault.jpg 2013-08-13T04:56:28 < R2COM> if parents are not home, ask emeb if its ok or not, he is old enough to give right advice 2013-08-13T04:56:34 < R2COM> xD 2013-08-13T05:03:42 < emeb> argh. 2013-08-13T05:03:54 * emeb shakes cane 2013-08-13T05:06:53 -!- R2COM1 [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T05:09:09 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-13T05:10:04 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-13T05:10:17 -!- R2COM1 is now known as R2COM 2013-08-13T05:18:21 < dongs> heh 2013-08-13T05:18:27 < dongs> my chinese 50ohm MCX connectors arrived 2013-08-13T05:19:03 < upgrdman> pic 2013-08-13T05:19:24 < dongs> no i meant 75ohm mcx 2013-08-13T05:21:07 < dongs> fuckkkkkkkkkkk 2013-08-13T05:21:19 < dongs> power went out at night and aircon in my server room died 2013-08-13T05:21:26 < dongs> opened the door and its fucking 38C in there 2013-08-13T05:24:52 < dongs> sounds like i should make something with STM32 2013-08-13T05:24:59 < dongs> to send power-on pulse to aircon 2013-08-13T05:25:05 < dongs> when AC comes back up 2013-08-13T05:26:37 < dongs> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/YfUQ4ll.jpg 2013-08-13T05:27:25 < gxti> why does your "server room" AC need a power-on pulse 2013-08-13T05:27:35 < upgrdman> mmm looking the connectors on those cheap ass power o-scopes 2013-08-13T05:27:42 < upgrdman> looks like* 2013-08-13T05:28:20 < dongs> gxti: ask the faggots who installed it 2013-08-13T05:33:54 < dongs> well these chinese MCX>F thingfs seem to work 2013-08-13T05:33:54 < dongs> cool 2013-08-13T05:34:09 < gxti> reminds me, i need some thin sma cables 2013-08-13T05:34:24 < dongs> i just asked my chinese guy "get me this" 2013-08-13T05:34:33 < dongs> hes like "in 3 days you can has it" 2013-08-13T05:37:56 < emeb> cool 2013-08-13T05:38:26 < R2COM> if I'm correct most of those things are good only up to 6GHz 2013-08-13T05:38:43 < emeb> I need to find some mcx - sma adapter. 2013-08-13T05:38:56 < emeb> preferably pigtails like those. 2013-08-13T05:39:01 < R2COM> ^ which is why I still use SMA all over, and since all equipment is SMA 2013-08-13T05:39:19 < emeb> except when it's N 2013-08-13T05:39:34 < emeb> most HP/Agilent stuff is N 2013-08-13T05:39:49 < emeb> (for GHz range) 2013-08-13T05:40:03 < R2COM> yeah but I have Nsma for all those 2013-08-13T05:40:09 < emeb> ditto 2013-08-13T05:40:18 < R2COM> its always installed in never took off 2013-08-13T05:40:34 < emeb> ya - we called those "connector savers" back in my Hi-Rel days. 2013-08-13T05:41:39 < R2COM> ok. back to work. 2013-08-13T05:41:58 < dongs> spaceX keeps R2COM busy 2013-08-13T05:42:40 < emeb> oooh - spacey. 2013-08-13T05:42:54 < emeb> rockin' out on the final frontier. 2013-08-13T05:52:30 < R2COM> so one short SPI breaker probably will build now 2013-08-13T05:52:41 < R2COM> I got my FTDI-SPI breakout I did I'm using now 2013-08-13T05:52:55 < R2COM> but now I'll need to control like, 14 max SPI slaves 2013-08-13T05:52:59 < R2COM> (not at same time) 2013-08-13T05:53:11 < upgrdman> spi? is in an ftdi as a usb <-> spi converter? 2013-08-13T05:53:16 < R2COM> yes 2013-08-13T05:53:27 < upgrdman> didnt know people did that. 2013-08-13T05:53:31 < upgrdman> intesting 2013-08-13T05:53:35 < upgrdman> interesting 2013-08-13T05:53:36 < R2COM> sure, pretty handy 2013-08-13T05:53:47 < R2COM> especially handy with fpga's 2013-08-13T05:53:56 < R2COM> since I dont have to consume lots of fabric of fpga 2013-08-13T05:53:58 < upgrdman> pc as spi flash? 2013-08-13T05:54:04 < R2COM> no no 2013-08-13T05:54:08 < upgrdman> :) 2013-08-13T05:54:09 < R2COM> just to dump some data from fpga 2013-08-13T05:54:12 < R2COM> to PC 2013-08-13T05:54:15 < upgrdman> o ok 2013-08-13T05:54:21 < R2COM> (not huge data of course...) 2013-08-13T05:54:28 < dongs> R2COM: tell me more about 90degree MCX connectors 2013-08-13T05:54:51 < upgrdman> i've been using an ft232 at 1MBaud for data transfering. spi is nice though 2013-08-13T05:54:51 < R2COM> their angle is 90 degee 2013-08-13T05:55:00 < dongs> yea 2013-08-13T05:55:04 < R2COM> I dont want to deal with ft232 2013-08-13T05:55:06 < R2COM> its trash protocol 2013-08-13T05:55:07 < dongs> i heard that affects teh rx badly 2013-08-13T05:55:22 < dongs> cuz teh signal has to like bend 2013-08-13T05:55:23 < dongs> and shit 2013-08-13T05:55:28 < upgrdman> lol 2013-08-13T05:55:57 < R2COM> meh.. its ok 2013-08-13T05:56:26 < R2COM> so 2013-08-13T05:56:35 < R2COM> now I am thinking to make one breakout board 2013-08-13T05:56:46 < R2COM> stm32---->CPLD-----> 14 connectors with buffers 2013-08-13T05:57:16 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-13T05:57:23 < R2COM> cpld is just isolation so that I dont load single signal a lot 2013-08-13T05:57:46 < R2COM> so stm32 will just have 3 SPI's broken out 2013-08-13T05:57:48 < R2COM> SPI1,2,3 2013-08-13T05:57:51 < R2COM> and thats it 2013-08-13T05:58:29 < gxti> electrons go at the speed of light so they don't like corners 2013-08-13T05:58:40 < gxti> but if you gold plate the cable then it's ok because it's like a mirror 2013-08-13T05:58:56 < dongs> what if its oxygen free 2013-08-13T05:59:04 < dongs> and elevated on wood pyramids 2013-08-13T05:59:05 < dongs> off the floor 2013-08-13T05:59:29 < gxti> you still have to keep the cable straight, that's what the pyramids are for duh 2013-08-13T06:00:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-13T06:00:05 < R2COM> lol 2013-08-13T06:01:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T06:01:42 < R2COM> http://www.totalphase.com/protocols/spi/ 2013-08-13T06:01:47 < R2COM> anything except what I want 2013-08-13T06:01:52 < R2COM> haha 2013-08-13T06:01:57 < dongs> dem prices 2013-08-13T06:01:58 < dongs> lewl 2013-08-13T06:03:05 < R2COM> time to do things I dont like, trivial breakouts. 2013-08-13T06:03:14 < dongs> wuts hte point of a I2C/SPI analyzer for $330 2013-08-13T06:03:19 < dongs> when any logic analyzer will do the job 2013-08-13T06:03:20 < R2COM> not sure 2013-08-13T06:03:23 < dongs> with decoder module 2013-08-13T06:03:49 < R2COM> ask that I2C pro who was trolling here another day, forgot which nick it was 2013-08-13T06:03:57 < dongs> zippe? 2013-08-13T06:04:07 < R2COM> probably 2013-08-13T06:17:36 < R2COM> that microexplorer has RevA and just RTGx for stm32f405 2013-08-13T06:17:43 < R2COM> which one is newer? 2013-08-13T06:18:35 < dongs> pinout changed or somehting? 2013-08-13T06:18:49 < R2COM> not sure where they describe about it 2013-08-13T06:19:44 < R2COM> I see Rev 4 etc... but not Rev A 2013-08-13T06:19:51 < dongs> reva seems to add OTG_FS 2013-08-13T06:19:54 < emeb_mac> salae logic analyzer FTW 2013-08-13T06:20:03 < dongs> no, that shit is garbagfe 2013-08-13T06:20:11 < dongs> i had to use it the other day at a users place 2013-08-13T06:20:13 < dongs> to log smartcard comms 2013-08-13T06:20:17 < dongs> ugh, the software is absolute shit 2013-08-13T06:20:23 < dongs> like pure fucking shit 2013-08-13T06:21:33 < dongs> wtf 2013-08-13T06:21:51 < dongs> R2COM: so there's no OTG_FS on REVA 2013-08-13T06:21:58 < dongs> but there is on non-reva 2013-08-13T06:22:00 < dongs> i guess A is older? 2013-08-13T06:22:21 < R2COM> ah ok.. 2013-08-13T06:22:29 < R2COM> since it doesnt matter for me then. 2013-08-13T06:22:30 < dongs> anywae, its the only diff 2013-08-13T06:22:38 < dongs> so if you dont give a fuck about OTG it doesnt matter otherwise 2013-08-13T06:24:18 < dongs> so i managed to sell out of all my jewpad lcd adapter boards 2013-08-13T06:24:33 < dongs> i should probably fix some of hte design stupid that was in rev1 :) 2013-08-13T06:26:59 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-13T06:27:08 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T06:30:36 < emeb_mac> lol 2013-08-13T06:30:44 < emeb_mac> early adopters suffer 2013-08-13T06:32:09 < dongs> pfft, it works tho? 2013-08-13T06:32:24 < dongs> but like buttons in the way of FPC connector, that kinda annoying shit 2013-08-13T06:32:45 < dongs> i saw that trash aidsfruit was demoing 2013-08-13T06:32:47 < emeb_mac> no one complained, did they? 2013-08-13T06:32:48 < dongs> with his boyfriend 2013-08-13T06:32:59 < dongs> so im not too worried 2013-08-13T06:33:03 < dongs> about them killing my stuff 2013-08-13T06:33:19 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6qPoI3I.jpg haha 2013-08-13T06:33:33 < dongs> I had that done... last year. 2013-08-13T06:34:19 < dongs> but this time its ASK AN ENGINEER 2013-08-13T06:35:30 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=AWewOTjaef8 ahaha 2013-08-13T06:36:20 < dongs> (the lol starts about halfway trhoug 2013-08-13T06:46:57 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-51-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T07:02:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-13T07:02:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T07:04:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Fam11PA.jpg 2013-08-13T07:20:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-13T07:27:26 < dongs> start chat 2013-08-13T07:30:57 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/SwcYLNb.jpg 2013-08-13T07:32:17 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-13T07:32:28 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T07:32:34 < dongs> rudequitter 2013-08-13T07:34:03 < englishman> i will chat. 2013-08-13T07:37:20 -!- Joker__ [d47c00ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.0.173] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T08:10:16 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-51-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-13T08:10:58 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-89-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T08:15:24 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-14-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T08:16:26 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.32.70] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-13T08:19:54 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-89-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-13T08:21:39 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-14-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-13T08:28:11 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-81-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T08:28:36 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-81-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-13T08:28:51 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-81-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T08:43:21 < emeb_mac> *yawn* 2013-08-13T08:43:25 < emeb_mac> where is everyone? 2013-08-13T08:47:46 < dongs> no idea 2013-08-13T08:47:49 < dongs> need to reboot the chat 2013-08-13T08:54:06 < Joker__> here! ) 2013-08-13T08:54:59 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T09:05:08 < zippe> Can someone familiar with the STM32F3 tell me whether there are 1 or 2 DMA controllers, and if 2, which port(s) are connected to DMA2? 2013-08-13T09:05:29 < R2COM> I am here! 2013-08-13T09:08:11 < dongs> zippe: 2 2013-08-13T09:08:22 < dongs> zippe: define "ports"? DMA2 does ADC2 and some timers/etc 2013-08-13T09:08:55 < dongs> table 27 in RM 2013-08-13T09:26:26 -!- DLPeterson [~AndChat16@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2013-08-13T09:30:16 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-088-069-143-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T09:30:19 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-13T09:30:34 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-088-069-143-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-13T09:31:40 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-088-069-143-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T09:31:43 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-13T09:32:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T09:38:51 < zippe> Er, sorry, which UARTs 2013-08-13T09:39:02 < zippe> i.e. is the DMA layout like the F4, or F1? 2013-08-13T09:42:17 < dongs> F1 :( 2013-08-13T09:42:41 < dongs> DMA2 only does UART4 2013-08-13T09:42:53 < dongs> ch3 rx ch5 tx 2013-08-13T09:43:36 < zippe> Thanks, I'll grab the RM rather than make you type it all 2013-08-13T09:43:55 < zippe> Any idea if the L15x is similar? 2013-08-13T09:44:00 < dongs> havent used. 2013-08-13T09:44:13 < dongs> I am very fresh wiht F3 dma because I was just doing it yesterday on F303RC 2013-08-13T09:44:59 < dongs> anyway, its pretty lame 2013-08-13T09:45:01 < dongs> DMA1 is overloaded w/shit 2013-08-13T09:45:32 < dongs> and if you do usart DMA you've basically wasted all teh channels 2013-08-13T09:45:41 < dongs> cuz 2-7 on DMA1 is usart. 2013-08-13T09:45:42 < dongs> heh 2013-08-13T09:46:04 < zippe> Yeah; I lost my ST contact a while back… I need to go yell at them about their awesomely sucktastic DMA 2013-08-13T09:50:03 < dongs> F4 DMA sucks a bit less.. but it was prtetty dum for them to use F1 DMA on F3.. 2013-08-13T09:50:16 < dongs> i mean they made the shit just enough incompatible so its not binary/pinout compatible.. might as well fixed the dma 2013-08-13T09:50:20 < dongs> assholes. 2013-08-13T09:50:47 < R2COM> dongs the rage blogger!! 2013-08-13T09:52:28 < R2COM> so theres one device now which kinda beats ST's F4 series by features and frequency right? 2013-08-13T09:52:33 < R2COM> i think it was nxp or something 2013-08-13T09:52:43 < R2COM> and same with pricing I guess too 2013-08-13T09:52:48 < zippe> R2COM: The LPC433x parts are better and worse at the same time 2013-08-13T09:52:59 < R2COM> worse in what way 2013-08-13T09:53:00 < zippe> R2COM: You can't get one with more flash and more RAM a 2013-08-13T09:53:21 < zippe> Either you get lots of RAM and no flash at all, or you get lots of flash and fuck-all RAM 2013-08-13T09:55:04 < zippe> The F42x parts give you 2MiB of flash and 256KiB of RAM 2013-08-13T09:55:33 < zippe> I haven't actually seen anyone benchmark the two to see what the internal memory interfaces are like 2013-08-13T09:55:48 < R2COM> f42 2013-08-13T09:55:49 < R2COM> hm 2013-08-13T09:56:00 < zippe> I did check the lpc43xx external memory interface (i.e. the internal flash + external SRAM config) and the SRAM latency would murder you 2013-08-13T09:56:24 < zippe> You really don't want to put anything you need to get at often, quickly, in external RAM on either of the devices. 2013-08-13T09:56:31 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T09:56:59 < zippe> The F4x parts have an icache of sorts that masks flash fetch latency to a good degree 2013-08-13T09:57:11 < R2COM> i dont see f42 2013-08-13T09:57:16 < zippe> But there is no formal i$/d$ in the v7m architecture 2013-08-13T09:57:36 < zippe> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1577 2013-08-13T09:57:43 < zippe> F427/F437 are both there 2013-08-13T09:58:14 < emeb_mac> iirc a bunch of folks have had problems trying to run multiple DMA channels on F40x I2S ports. 2013-08-13T09:58:27 < emeb_mac> things get confused, stop working, etc. 2013-08-13T09:58:31 < zippe> There are so many weird stupids on the STM32 DMA it's not funny 2013-08-13T09:58:39 < zippe> Like, bursts can't cross 1KiB boundaries 2013-08-13T09:58:45 < emeb_mac> derp 2013-08-13T09:59:07 < zippe> Even though I hate the PL080 with a passion, it would have been better just to spam a bunch of them into the design 2013-08-13T09:59:12 < R2COM> f42 is not on digikey yet 2013-08-13T09:59:27 < emeb_mac> still unobtainium 2013-08-13T09:59:34 < emeb_mac> just a rumor 2013-08-13T09:59:52 < R2COM> freq. just 180MHz 2013-08-13T09:59:56 < R2COM> not much of improvement 2013-08-13T10:00:16 < zippe> You can get them elsewhere 2013-08-13T10:00:36 < zippe> R2COM: You were apparently asleep during my comments above about clock frequency vs throughput 2013-08-13T10:00:39 < R2COM> soon I might start playing with hard FPU on stm405 2013-08-13T10:01:15 < zippe> Core clock frequency not very interesting when you have to eat 3-5 AHB cycles for either instruction or data access 2013-08-13T10:01:29 < emeb_mac> here you go: https://www.verical.com/?gclid=CJu8_OXs-bgCFbCDQgod_3YAyg#landingPage=catalogItemView&searchCriterion=mpnIDs&searchName=&_i_=2&searchTerm=733675 2013-08-13T10:02:16 < zippe> Those are the ones we're using, yupyup 2013-08-13T10:02:30 < zippe> Do wish they'd done an lqfp64 for backwards compatibility, but oh well 2013-08-13T10:02:50 < emeb_mac> ah - no R type pkg. bummer. 2013-08-13T10:02:58 < R2COM> lqfp100 is pin compatible with same packaged stm32f407 ? 2013-08-13T10:02:59 < zippe> The wlcsp parts are teeensy, so it's not like they wouldn't fit the package 2013-08-13T10:03:13 < zippe> R2COM: yes, same pinout; a few more mux options is all 2013-08-13T10:03:20 < zippe> R2COM: two new UARTs 2013-08-13T10:03:24 < zippe> More SPI 2013-08-13T10:03:25 < R2COM> lol 2013-08-13T10:03:37 < zippe> Can't get enough UARTs. 2013-08-13T10:03:48 < emeb_mac> never used 'em much. 2013-08-13T10:03:52 < emeb_mac> maybe one 2013-08-13T10:03:54 < zippe> I'm using seven on this design and people are still complaining 2013-08-13T10:03:56 < R2COM> more SPI good, but not sure why more two uarts 2013-08-13T10:04:09 < emeb_mac> what you use all those for? 2013-08-13T10:04:29 < R2COM> only time I'd use it maybe with some module which has nothing but uart. 2013-08-13T10:04:36 < R2COM> I am trying to avoid uart 2013-08-13T10:04:51 < R2COM> clocked SPI interface is *best* I guess 2013-08-13T10:04:56 < R2COM> for general purpose data x-fer 2013-08-13T10:05:10 < emeb_mac> or FSMC 2013-08-13T10:05:12 < zippe> One is a packet interconnect to an onboard co-processor, one is the console receiver for the coprocessor, five for external expansion: console, telemetry, GPS, camera control, OSD... 2013-08-13T10:05:23 < zippe> SPI is a fine master/slave setup 2013-08-13T10:05:28 -!- nighty- [~nighty@TOROON12-1279662182.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T10:05:29 < zippe> UART is a peer-to-peer interface 2013-08-13T10:05:36 < zippe> Totally different applications 2013-08-13T10:05:41 < R2COM> as far as I know most Ultrasonic/GPS units use uart 2013-08-13T10:06:18 < R2COM> almost all ADI parts use SPi for config. 2013-08-13T10:06:25 < zippe> We are pushing people to CAN, but that's not happening until I get receive working on CAN2 without CAN1 active. 2013-08-13T10:06:26 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-13T10:06:26 < emeb_mac> there was one guy using the DCMI for fast gp data in 2013-08-13T10:07:04 < zippe> The coprocessor link uses DMA and line idle detect; it's remarkably reliable @ 3Mbps 2013-08-13T10:07:12 < emeb_mac> nifty 2013-08-13T10:07:22 < R2COM> instead of dicking in more UARTs, they better put something more original to general purpose microcontrollers! 2013-08-13T10:07:23 < R2COM> for example 2013-08-13T10:07:28 < R2COM> LVDS parallel outputs! 2013-08-13T10:07:36 < zippe> R2COM: that's the 4x9 devices. 2013-08-13T10:07:36 < R2COM> so one could talk very fast now with fpga 2013-08-13T10:07:55 < emeb_mac> just hook FPGA to FSMC 2013-08-13T10:08:02 -!- nighty-_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-13T10:08:03 < emeb_mac> 16-bit wide xfer 2013-08-13T10:08:13 < R2COM> I want differential faster transfer 2013-08-13T10:08:27 < zippe> Oh; you just want a SERDES and some DMA behind it then 2013-08-13T10:08:41 < zippe> The problem with that is that clocking them is a bitch, and they eat power 2013-08-13T10:08:49 < emeb_mac> yep 2013-08-13T10:09:15 < zippe> You could easily put a PCIe gen2 PHY in the chip, but now you are paying another 10-20mW and you need to generate a 2GHz clock. 2013-08-13T10:09:26 < R2COM> why clocking a problem? 2013-08-13T10:09:30 < R2COM> lvds clock and data 2013-08-13T10:09:37 < R2COM> all phase aligned on pcb 2013-08-13T10:09:40 < zippe> Clock generation, bonehead. 8) 2013-08-13T10:09:41 < R2COM> dont see any problems 2013-08-13T10:09:51 < R2COM> why? 2013-08-13T10:09:58 < zippe> Gigahertz PLL = power, yield issues 2013-08-13T10:10:05 < emeb_mac> fast PLLs don't grow on trees 2013-08-13T10:10:24 < R2COM> well. I was talking in terms of user... well yes. 2013-08-13T10:10:36 < zippe> ST's 180MHz PLL is probably recycled from something they built 5+ years ago 2013-08-13T10:11:00 < R2COM> its not *that* hard to build pll 2013-08-13T10:11:27 -!- nighty- [~nighty@TOROON12-1279662182.sdsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-13T10:11:34 -!- nighty- [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T10:12:34 < zippe> It's hard enough that putting something like that in a GP SoC like the F4 for a tiny number of customers makes no sense. 2013-08-13T10:13:05 < emeb_mac> just get a Xilinx Zynq. 2013-08-13T10:13:07 < zippe> I would be happier to see some of the MIPI interfaces like slimbus 2013-08-13T10:13:21 < R2COM> well sure 2013-08-13T10:13:25 < R2COM> but Zynq is 100$ 2013-08-13T10:13:39 < R2COM> err 2013-08-13T10:13:40 < R2COM> well 2013-08-13T10:13:43 < R2COM> 70$ 2013-08-13T10:13:47 < dongs> queer2queer interface 2013-08-13T10:14:30 < R2COM> with 667MHz dual if I'm correct A8 core 2013-08-13T10:14:47 < R2COM> its cool but its 70$ 2013-08-13T10:14:59 < R2COM> (0-70C is around 50$) 2013-08-13T10:15:18 < dongs> spaceX wont let you use commercial grade? 2013-08-13T10:16:11 < R2COM> its *ok* to use lower grade devices for some custom non critical experiments when its known that temp for sure not going to overexceed 80C and in summer-like time 2013-08-13T10:16:26 < R2COM> and if its not for a deep space... 2013-08-13T10:18:13 < R2COM> Actel has even cheaper ARM+FPGA core, but arm there is M3 with no hard FPU 2013-08-13T10:18:35 < emeb_mac> is it RAM based or OTP? 2013-08-13T10:18:39 < R2COM> RAM 2013-08-13T10:19:16 < R2COM> 100MHz at least ARM core with *hard* fpu + fpga fabric would be just fine.. for say well... 20$ 2013-08-13T10:19:28 < emeb_mac> nice to dream 2013-08-13T10:19:41 < emeb_mac> but yeah - that. 2013-08-13T10:19:53 < R2COM> well... dont want 667MHz dual core... 2013-08-13T10:19:55 < R2COM> for 70 2013-08-13T10:20:04 < R2COM> but one core , 100MHz just with hard fpu 2013-08-13T10:20:24 < R2COM> would be more than enough to generate vectors for dsp processing and real quick passing them to fpga to toggle the dac 2013-08-13T10:20:49 < dongs> actel tools suck so bad 2013-08-13T10:20:58 < dongs> plus didnt someone recently bought actel 2013-08-13T10:21:02 < R2COM> better than pre-code them and store in BRAM, or have another DSP outside on board do it..then transfer in fpga..etc... too messy 2013-08-13T10:21:21 < dongs> microsemi 2013-08-13T10:21:27 < R2COM> that Zynq is a high grade thing 2013-08-13T10:21:29 < dongs> http://www.microsemi.com/images/header-images/soc-header.png 2013-08-13T10:21:33 < R2COM> yes 2013-08-13T10:21:34 < R2COM> microsemi 2013-08-13T10:22:12 < dongs> the problem is tools suck. 2013-08-13T10:22:29 < R2COM> why 2013-08-13T10:22:34 < dongs> try using them 2013-08-13T10:22:46 < R2COM> after ISE i bet I could use that one easily 2013-08-13T10:23:03 < dongs> ISE is amazing compared to actel shit 2013-08-13T10:23:27 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-13T10:24:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T10:28:41 < R2COM> f439 has 7.2MSPS adc and 42Mbps SPI 2013-08-13T10:30:28 < dongs> http://www.adafruit.com/adablog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/lpc1343angle_LRG.jpg LOL 2013-08-13T10:30:43 < dongs> looks like something R2COM would mke 2013-08-13T10:31:26 < R2COM> lets see 2013-08-13T10:31:39 < R2COM> hm 2013-08-13T10:35:18 < zippe> I want a CortexA7 in a DIP package. 2013-08-13T10:35:51 < zippe> Sadly, everyone seems to think it needs a jiggabyte of RAM and a video pipe 2013-08-13T10:35:56 < zippe> Also, that it must run linnex 2013-08-13T10:36:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-13T10:53:39 < PaulFertser> dongs: "It was made first and foremost by designers and artists, and less so by technologists. This unique perspective on technology turned out to be very powerful: it turns out people who aren’t programmers or hardware designers also want to access hardware technology. ... is just the first step toward taking the “tech” out of technology and letting every day people not just use technology, but create with it." 2013-08-13T10:54:11 < dongs> PaulFertser: what the fuck is this verbal diarrhea 2013-08-13T10:54:17 < dongs> is that about aidsfruit/makerspaces? 2013-08-13T10:54:34 < PaulFertser> dongs: that's what Bunnie had to say about arduino ;) 2013-08-13T10:55:25 < dongs> well bunnie is a toolbox eitherway 2013-08-13T10:55:51 < PaulFertser> dongs: he's got quite some experience, you can't deny that 2013-08-13T11:02:35 < PaulFertser> dongs: also, if some shit motivates people to create something, isn't that good even if what they create you can do faster, cheaper and better? There're so many people who are not interested in anything at all, isn't it good if at least some of them would engage in thinking? 2013-08-13T11:05:27 < R2COM> maybe its just annoying when some people do something too obvious and too many people around buy that as something super neat. 2013-08-13T11:06:52 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T11:07:54 < R2COM> on another hand, theres too much trash around which has no use, and too often its hard to find a right thing out of obvious designs 2013-08-13T11:13:55 < R2COM> time to take a rest. 2013-08-13T11:14:04 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-13T11:26:22 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-13T11:55:52 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-13T11:58:37 < dongs> how can I "reset" to main 2013-08-13T11:58:39 < dongs> without actually calling it 2013-08-13T11:58:46 < dongs> or not main rather but a few lines below 2013-08-13T11:58:57 < dongs> can't just 'goto' it i guess. 2013-08-13T11:59:03 < dongs> i want to lose the current stack frame 2013-08-13T12:04:45 < zyp> that's what return does 2013-08-13T12:04:51 < zyp> :p 2013-08-13T12:10:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T12:11:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T12:18:14 < barthess> hi, ppl. Could you explain what is "External FIFO controlled by the FSMC"? 2013-08-13T12:18:21 < barthess> any examples? 2013-08-13T12:31:46 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T12:32:15 -!- Joker__ [d47c00ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.0.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-13T12:34:44 < PaulFertser> dongs: setjmp/longjmp 2013-08-13T12:36:53 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.138.182] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T12:37:01 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-13T12:47:12 < dongs> barthess: sounds pretty self explanatory 2013-08-13T12:47:13 < dongs> PaulFertser: orly 2013-08-13T12:47:46 < PaulFertser> dongs: setjmp, sigsetjmp - save stack context for nonlocal goto 2013-08-13T12:47:57 < dongs> thats not gcc extension? 2013-08-13T12:48:01 < PaulFertser> dongs: ANSI C 2013-08-13T12:48:18 < zyp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setjmp.h 2013-08-13T12:48:38 < dongs> lets try this 2013-08-13T12:48:51 < Laurenceb_> elon musk is too smart 2013-08-13T12:49:51 < dongs> so i setjmp() in main? 2013-08-13T12:49:53 < dongs> to save it? 2013-08-13T12:50:05 < zyp> setjmp/longjmp is used by some C++-compilers to implement exception handling 2013-08-13T12:52:03 < PaulFertser> dongs: yes, and btw BMP firmware uses exactly that. 2013-08-13T12:52:30 < dongs> about to test 2013-08-13T12:52:43 < dongs> im getting tired of 'save' on my usb shit reconnecting USB because it resets cpu on save heh 2013-08-13T12:54:12 -!- talsit [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-13T12:56:02 < dongs> works 2013-08-13T12:56:38 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-81-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-13T13:01:54 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-13T13:06:48 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/0475890001/WM17143CT-ND/1832255 zyp is that same shit as we're using 2013-08-13T13:06:51 < dongs> usb 2013-08-13T13:07:15 < dongs> ghm no pattern looks diff 2013-08-13T13:11:35 < dongs> good stuff, setjmp works 2013-08-13T13:11:36 < dongs> thanks duders. 2013-08-13T13:11:46 < dongs> im sure its 100x easier to setup+use in keil 2013-08-13T13:11:53 < dongs> in gcc i would probably have to implement 20 stubs 2013-08-13T13:11:55 < dongs> for weird shit 2013-08-13T13:12:05 < dongs> in keil i just #include jmp shit, and add 2 lines 2013-08-13T13:12:59 < dongs> and I gotta finish up a 4L board till tomorow 2013-08-13T13:12:59 < dongs> lols 2013-08-13T13:14:17 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.138.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-13T13:17:45 -!- talsit [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:22:00 < PaulFertser> dongs: i've never seen gcc making anyone implement any stubs for anything. 2013-08-13T13:23:27 < dongs> PaulFertser: yeah? add a printf() into your app right now, lols. 2013-08-13T13:23:32 < dongs> or malloc() even. 2013-08-13T13:30:17 < PaulFertser> dongs: yep, having plenty of them, without writing a single stub. 2013-08-13T13:30:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: also, it can't be related to a _compiler_ 2013-08-13T13:31:29 -!- talsit [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-13T13:33:54 -!- GargantuaSauce_ [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:35:52 -!- debris`_ [debris@shells.ohai.su] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:36:13 -!- dongs_ [~dongs@l212168.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:36:57 -!- Rickta59_ [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:37:50 -!- jef79m_ [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:38:59 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-13T13:40:36 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: GargantuaSauce, debris`, qyx_, Rickta59, jef79m, dongs, CoolBear 2013-08-13T13:40:36 -!- jef79m_ is now known as jef79m 2013-08-13T13:40:40 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:45:28 < jpa-> dongs_: just because most arm gcc toolchains come with newlib for libc, doesn't mean one has to use newlib 2013-08-13T13:46:11 < jpa-> but sure, it is probably easier with keil when everything comes ready 2013-08-13T13:46:21 < jpa-> limits the flexibility, though 2013-08-13T13:46:32 -!- 45PABDHTF [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:46:32 -!- CoolBear [~hightower@ti0069a380-0372.bb.online.no] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:46:35 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:46:39 -!- 45PABDHTF [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 2013-08-13T13:50:05 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T13:53:01 -!- dongs_ is now known as dongs 2013-08-13T14:07:21 < PaulFertser> jpa-: also, newlib includes libnosys since ages, so one doesn't really need to write any stubs for printf. 2013-08-13T14:14:18 < jpa-> true 2013-08-13T14:18:28 -!- talsit [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T14:18:32 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T14:18:32 < Laurenceb> lol hamfags 2013-08-13T14:18:50 < Laurenceb> "hyperloop? is that an antenni design" 2013-08-13T14:21:39 < scrts> do You guys use voltage translators if interfacing 3.3V and 2.5V chips inbetween? 2013-08-13T14:22:45 -!- talsit [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-13T14:23:18 < jpa-> scrts: depends on the required speed etc. 2013-08-13T14:23:30 < jpa-> scrts: often you don't even need anything, but check datasheet 2013-08-13T14:25:55 < scrts> datasheet is kind of stupid... they say, that the IOVCC = 2,5V and absolute maximum rating is 4.0V, nothing more... 2013-08-13T14:26:30 < jpa-> which chip? 2013-08-13T14:27:23 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23681200 2013-08-13T14:27:25 < Laurenceb> lolling 2013-08-13T14:29:10 < dongs> old 2013-08-13T14:29:20 < dongs> i linked the jewtube vid of that liek 12 hour ago 2013-08-13T14:29:25 < Laurenceb> think ill email musk to troll him 2013-08-13T14:29:28 < dongs> http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/69256000/png/_69256532_lg2.png 2013-08-13T14:29:32 < dongs> is that what the phone looks like? 2013-08-13T14:29:37 < dongs> thats a nice screen 2013-08-13T14:32:44 < scrts> jpa- -> AR9331 2013-08-13T14:33:07 < scrts> jpa- -> http://www.yuxict.com/Upload/download/1/AR9331_datasheet.pdf 2013-08-13T14:33:53 < jpa-> scrts: uh.. is that supposed to be 1 page only? 2013-08-13T14:34:04 < dongs> yes 2013-08-13T14:34:55 < scrts> jpa- -> damn, bad bookmark, wait 2013-08-13T14:35:42 < scrts> jpa- -> http://see.sl088.com/w/images/6/69/AR9331.pdf 2013-08-13T14:37:24 < dongs> lol its a fucking dual-row qfn 2013-08-13T14:37:28 < dongs> the worest fucking aids ever 2013-08-13T14:37:45 < jpa-> scrts: hmm yeah, doesn't specify maximum input voltage on IO pins at all 2013-08-13T14:37:49 < jpa-> only the supply voltage 2013-08-13T14:38:01 < dongs> it has 2.62V output for "digital IO? 2013-08-13T14:38:09 < dongs> but that doesnt mean you HAVE to run IO at 2.5v>.. 2013-08-13T14:38:14 < dongs> i think if you just connect 3.3 to vddio it might work 2013-08-13T14:38:20 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-34-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T14:38:29 < dongs> also why the fuck are you designing something w/that shit + DDR2 ram based on a 2010 datasheet from a piracy chinese site? 2013-08-13T14:39:24 < zyp> ghettoing it up 2013-08-13T14:39:24 < scrts> tell me any other SoC that would run linux, have on-chip WiFi, I2S interface and would cost like 2USD? 2013-08-13T14:39:55 < dongs> well, running lunix is definitely not something I even remotely give a fuck about. 2013-08-13T14:40:03 < scrts> :)) 2013-08-13T14:40:06 < dongs> also, MIPS? 2013-08-13T14:40:08 < dongs> in 2013? 2013-08-13T14:40:11 < dongs> get in the oven 2013-08-13T14:40:11 < scrts> doing some stuff with this: http://8devices.com/media/gallery/text/20_5149c48736629_DSC_0001.png 2013-08-13T14:40:37 < scrts> yeah MIPS, but I don't know any ARM with onboard WiFi 2013-08-13T14:40:43 < scrts> sorry, on-chip WiFi 2013-08-13T14:40:58 < dongs> wasnt atehros bought by qualcomm recenetly 2013-08-13T14:41:05 < Laurenceb> winbond 2013-08-13T14:41:06 < jpa-> probably safest just to put a level translator there 2013-08-13T14:41:15 < Laurenceb> is that like wher you win at BDSM? 2013-08-13T14:42:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-34-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-13T14:45:57 < dongs> blogdsm 2013-08-13T14:48:25 < dongs> analog pos 2013-08-13T14:48:26 < dongs> pros 2013-08-13T14:48:45 < Laurenceb> saywhat 2013-08-13T14:48:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JPobD2J.jpg 2013-08-13T14:49:45 < Laurenceb> too many acronyms 2013-08-13T14:49:47 <+Steffanx> interrept.. 2013-08-13T14:49:55 <+Steffanx> *inturrept even. 2013-08-13T14:50:02 <+Steffanx> whats that? 2013-08-13T14:50:10 < Laurenceb> the need to actually do some work is my only interrupt 2013-08-13T14:51:11 <+Steffanx> End still you fail to exectute that Laurenceb? 2013-08-13T14:51:17 <+Steffanx> -t 2013-08-13T14:52:34 < dongs> anywayt 2013-08-13T14:52:36 < dongs> question is 2013-08-13T14:52:42 < dongs> why the fuck does it sample 3 times 2013-08-13T14:54:56 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/aYjWie45.html 2013-08-13T14:56:15 < dongs> is it trrying to oversample or somthing 2013-08-13T14:59:10 < dongs> blue trace = scope prpobe on center of voltage divider 2013-08-13T14:59:12 < dongs> 100k/10k 2013-08-13T14:59:26 < dongs> why the fuck does it sample 3 times. 2013-08-13T14:59:37 < dongs> too high impedance? 2013-08-13T15:09:46 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 2013-08-13T15:12:37 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-13T15:21:20 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@i220-108-149-145.s42.a028.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-13T15:24:05 < zyp> ADC_InitStructure.ADC_ContinuousConvMode = ADC_ContinuousConvMode_Enable; 2013-08-13T15:24:22 < zyp> wouldn't continous conversion make it sample continously? :p 2013-08-13T15:30:37 < dongs> if I run ADC slower, it only s amples once. 2013-08-13T15:30:47 < zyp> oh 2013-08-13T15:30:57 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/z11QfOI.jpg 2013-08-13T15:30:58 < dongs> like this 2013-08-13T15:31:04 < dongs> this is 605.1 or wahtever 2013-08-13T15:31:10 < dongs> (slowest) sampling shit 2013-08-13T15:31:44 < zyp> the yellow signal, is that input or output? 2013-08-13T15:31:48 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 2013-08-13T15:31:49 < dongs> neitehr 2013-08-13T15:31:54 < dongs> thats the toggleDigital 2013-08-13T15:31:55 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T15:31:56 < dongs> in the interrupt 2013-08-13T15:32:00 < zyp> ah 2013-08-13T15:32:02 < zyp> so output 2013-08-13T15:32:04 < dongs> i.e. mark of interrupt shit 2013-08-13T15:32:05 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-13T15:32:31 < dongs> btw this is f3 2013-08-13T15:33:23 < zyp> so, it toggles at 583ns? 2013-08-13T15:33:52 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-13T15:34:19 < zyp> so the interrupt is triggered every 40th cpu cycle 2013-08-13T15:34:35 < dongs> 1st case is 1.5 adc sample 2013-08-13T15:34:37 < dongs> i.e. really fast. 2013-08-13T15:34:40 < zyp> are you sure it's not just the cpu that's not able to keep up with the sample rate? 2013-08-13T15:34:55 < dongs> how? 2013-08-13T15:35:04 < zyp> i.e. ADC sampling three times faster than cpu can process the interrupts 2013-08-13T15:35:09 < dongs> realy? 2013-08-13T15:35:19 < zyp> just a guess 2013-08-13T15:35:21 < dongs> Hmm 2013-08-13T15:35:35 < zyp> 40 cycles is not much 2013-08-13T15:35:40 < dongs> ADC_SampleTime_1Cycles5 2013-08-13T15:36:01 < dongs> 1.5cycles of ADC @ 72mhz right? 2013-08-13T15:36:06 < zyp> no idea 2013-08-13T15:37:09 < dongs> haha just went to w olframalpha 2013-08-13T15:37:13 < dongs> "free PRO for 3 months" 2013-08-13T15:37:27 < dongs> maybe i should signup just to get rid of a(i)ds 2013-08-13T15:37:29 < dongs> then cancel after 3 month 2013-08-13T15:40:07 <+Steffanx> Thanks for remembering i still have to cancel my 'PRO' w-a 2013-08-13T15:40:40 < dongs> haha 2013-08-13T15:40:42 < zyp> Steffanx, I heard your prince died 2013-08-13T15:40:54 <+Steffanx> I actually don 2013-08-13T15:40:57 <+Steffanx> t care much 2013-08-13T15:41:07 <+Steffanx> That guy has been in a coma forever 2013-08-13T15:41:18 < zyp> I didn't assume you would either :p 2013-08-13T15:41:29 < dongs> weird 2013-08-13T15:41:36 < dongs> for some reason I read that line as "I heard your phone died" 2013-08-13T15:41:41 < dongs> more than once, too 2013-08-13T15:41:58 <+Steffanx> 'Normal' people would've died much earlier, but they took him to a 'special' hospital in london or so. 2013-08-13T15:42:09 <+Steffanx> ( didn't help much as you can see ) 2013-08-13T15:42:09 < dongs> man , trace neckdown in dicktrace is really terrible 2013-08-13T15:42:25 < zyp> neckdown? 2013-08-13T15:42:33 < dongs> http://forums.ni.com/ni/attachments/ni/370/10041/1/ex.jpg 2013-08-13T15:42:41 < dongs> when you change from wide to narrower 2013-08-13T15:42:43 < dongs> it looks liek ASS 2013-08-13T15:42:50 < dongs> incidentally, thats a dicktrace screenshot 2013-08-13T15:42:51 < dongs> lolz 2013-08-13T15:42:53 < zyp> ah, yeah 2013-08-13T15:43:24 < zyp> that looks like what I would expect from eagle 2013-08-13T15:43:24 < dongs> huh apparently its ultiboard 2013-08-13T15:43:37 < dongs> but that style is what dicktrace does. 2013-08-13T15:43:59 < dongs> Heh 2013-08-13T15:44:07 < dongs> altium can do proper teardropping/neckdown :( 2013-08-13T15:50:11 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-27-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T15:56:35 < Laurenceb> i think hyperloop is bull 2013-08-13T15:56:41 < Laurenceb> http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/hyperloop_alpha-20130812.pdf 2013-08-13T15:56:53 < Laurenceb> figure 10 - theres going to be shittons of steam to deal with 2013-08-13T15:58:06 <+Steffanx> You know why it's 'bull'? Pros use LaTex, this isn't so ... 2013-08-13T15:58:15 < Laurenceb> hah 2013-08-13T15:58:21 < Laurenceb> it might be latex 2013-08-13T15:58:32 < Laurenceb> i should check the fonts 2013-08-13T15:59:03 <+Steffanx> It's word 2013-08-13T15:59:05 <+Steffanx> 2010 2013-08-13T15:59:15 <+Steffanx> Just check the pdf info 2013-08-13T15:59:27 < Laurenceb> ah 2013-08-13T15:59:43 < Laurenceb> was going to say it could be latex with a wordalike stylesheet 2013-08-13T16:02:15 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2.157.152.239] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T16:05:00 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-27-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-13T16:07:35 < dongs> http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/circuits/opamp_non_inverting/op_amp_non-inverting.php in this shit, having higher R1/R2 = better? 2013-08-13T16:07:48 < dongs> or no difference 2013-08-13T16:09:58 < zyp> doesn't affect input impedance, so it's not too important 2013-08-13T16:10:07 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T16:10:19 < dongs> so doesnt matter? 2013-08-13T16:10:26 < zyp> pretty much 2013-08-13T16:27:47 < dongs> is there any reason to tie or not to tie usb shield gnd to board gnd? 2013-08-13T16:27:59 < dongs> ive seen it both done and not done 2013-08-13T16:28:10 < dongs> also seen it done via ferrite beads and shit 2013-08-13T16:28:14 < dongs> also caps 2013-08-13T16:37:30 < dongs> hm I think F3 needs pullup on NRST 2013-08-13T16:37:31 < dongs> lol 2013-08-13T16:37:42 < dongs> board not booting w/o jtag attached 2013-08-13T16:38:00 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-13T16:38:17 < dongs> sounds like zyp-class problem 2013-08-13T16:38:20 < dongs> with his LPC trash 2013-08-13T16:41:16 < dongs> hah 2013-08-13T16:41:24 < dongs> now my altium fag is mocking me about pour shelving 2013-08-13T16:41:41 < dongs> asshole. 2013-08-13T17:01:57 < Laurenceb> we know you are 2013-08-13T17:08:08 < gxti> mocking you about pour shelving? wat 2013-08-13T17:09:05 < gxti> re usb shield, i thought peripherals are generally forbidden from tying shield, at least directly 2013-08-13T17:09:18 < dongs> ya? 2013-08-13T17:09:28 < dongs> so where does plug gnd go to? 2013-08-13T17:09:29 < dongs> just floating? 2013-08-13T17:09:39 < dongs> or is that why one design i saw had caps there 2013-08-13T17:09:53 < gxti> caps would let RF pass while blocking dc current, which is ok i guess 2013-08-13T17:10:22 < gxti> i don't really see why that would be better but i don't think it matters too much unless the peripheral is earthed separately 2013-08-13T17:10:25 < dongs> but i have some overengineerd jap USB thing and it has caps and beads 2013-08-13T17:10:31 < dongs> hokay 2013-08-13T17:10:32 < gxti> for a dongle or whatever it won't matter 2013-08-13T17:10:34 < dongs> ill just keep leaving it NC then 2013-08-13T17:10:53 < gxti> ferrite on vcc is a good idea 2013-08-13T17:11:01 < dongs> on vcc yes 2013-08-13T17:11:07 < dongs> but this was plug_gnd -> system_gnd 2013-08-13T17:11:27 < dongs> lemme see if i can fidn that shit 2013-08-13T17:12:13 < gxti> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/4515/how-to-connect-usb-connector-shield 2013-08-13T17:13:38 < gxti> looks like the answer is "whatever makes EMI test pass" 2013-08-13T17:15:22 < dongs> heh 2013-08-13T17:15:28 < dongs> i got 3 boards and they're all doing it differently 2013-08-13T17:15:56 < dongs> one just has it direct to system ground, one has a bunch of NC pads but has one R going to system gnd (0402) and one has a 0805-ish R going to gnd 2013-08-13T17:16:10 < dongs> i know i saw the shit with ferrite beads, but i cant find it right now hm 2013-08-13T17:16:23 < gxti> bunch of pads = no idea what we need let's see if EMC passes 2013-08-13T17:16:51 < dongs> right heh 2013-08-13T17:17:12 <+Steffanx> And its the only good solution :P 2013-08-13T17:17:16 < dongs> actually they're labeled as R and C 2013-08-13T17:17:44 < gxti> oh and back to the opamp thing, other than impedance the other reason not to use super high values (1m+) is noise 2013-08-13T17:18:02 < dongs> but 1k/10k isnt ognna make any diff? 2013-08-13T17:18:10 < gxti> nope 2013-08-13T17:20:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T17:22:07 < dongs> lol @ all the answers in taht thread 2013-08-13T17:46:00 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-13T17:50:19 < dongs> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2389974/Zhang-Lin-builds-mountain-apartment-block-Beijing-China-create-dream-penthouse.html 2013-08-13T17:50:22 < dongs> wtf 2013-08-13T17:51:06 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-088-069-143-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-13T17:52:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T17:53:17 <+Steffanx> lol dongs. 2013-08-13T17:53:55 <+Steffanx> Too bad can't believe 'shit' i see on the interwebs anymore. So I say: FAKE :P 2013-08-13T17:54:04 < dongs> looks legit 2013-08-13T17:54:06 <+Steffanx> Or at least, not the true story. 2013-08-13T17:54:45 <+Steffanx> Yay @ paris replica. 2013-08-13T18:10:14 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T18:25:51 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-13T18:26:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-13T18:33:19 < Laurenceb> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/03/article-2384036-1B1A1D3A000005DC-344_964x627.jpg 2013-08-13T18:33:28 < Laurenceb> china: getting more and more like texas 2013-08-13T18:39:14 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.96.254] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T18:39:17 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-13T18:39:32 -!- Intelaida_ [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T18:42:28 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2.157.152.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-13T18:43:22 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T18:45:03 <+Steffanx> They have an eiffel tower in texas as well Laurenceb? 2013-08-13T18:45:22 < Laurenceb> i meant the fat lazy guy in nutty apartment 2013-08-13T18:47:36 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-13T18:50:34 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-13T18:52:14 <+Steffanx> I know what you meant :P 2013-08-13T18:56:39 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T18:59:39 < Laurenceb> http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/05/06/0235212/tylenol-may-ease-pain-of-existential-distress-social-rejection 2013-08-13T19:05:25 < dongs> Laurenceb: better start eating it 2013-08-13T19:05:45 < Laurenceb> so i worked out how hyperloop really works 2013-08-13T19:05:57 < dongs> its powered by snakeoil? 2013-08-13T19:06:15 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-08-13T19:06:22 < Laurenceb> better than that 2013-08-13T19:06:26 < Laurenceb> by slush puppy 2013-08-13T19:07:30 < Laurenceb> as coolant 2013-08-13T19:08:34 <+Steffanx> figured out who is trolling yet Laurenceb? 2013-08-13T19:08:43 < Laurenceb> nope 2013-08-13T19:09:06 < dongs> it was R2COM's idea 2013-08-13T19:10:27 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T19:10:49 <+Steffanx> that train thing dongs? 2013-08-13T19:10:56 < dongs> ya 2013-08-13T19:11:06 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@109.78.55.3] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T19:11:43 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-13T19:11:46 <+Steffanx> After too much wodka i guess ( as he is a russian ) 2013-08-13T19:11:50 <+Steffanx> *vodka 2013-08-13T19:12:00 < dongs> righ 2013-08-13T19:12:14 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T19:12:18 <+Steffanx> t 2013-08-13T19:12:49 < dongs> i want to murder aidsfruit 2013-08-13T19:13:18 -!- GargantuaSauce_ [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-13T19:13:52 <+Steffanx> I feel sorry for you. 2013-08-13T19:14:02 <+Steffanx> That you seem to care about her over and over again. 2013-08-13T19:14:14 < Laurenceb> his one true love 2013-08-13T19:22:19 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-63-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T19:23:29 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-13T19:25:05 < emeb> what has Lenore done to you this time? 2013-08-13T19:28:46 -!- Rickta59_ is now known as Rickta59 2013-08-13T19:47:23 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.161.12.155] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T19:49:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.81] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T19:57:51 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T20:10:24 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/BOmh6yB.png 2013-08-13T20:10:30 < qyx_> what could cause that? 2013-08-13T20:10:34 < qyx_> it is adc output 2013-08-13T20:10:51 < qyx_> some aliasing? 2013-08-13T20:13:35 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.142.139] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T20:17:58 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.161.12.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-13T20:24:02 < emeb> doubt it 2013-08-13T20:24:20 < emeb> looks like some samples are being duplicated - horizontal line segments. 2013-08-13T20:24:51 < emeb> plus, they're not happening at regular intervals. 2013-08-13T20:28:11 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T20:33:11 < qyx_> but the signal should be steady 2013-08-13T20:35:04 < emeb> what happens if you reduce the frequency of the input sawtooth wave? 2013-08-13T20:36:00 < qyx_> the thing is that it is not sawtooth, it is output of current sensing resistor amplifier 2013-08-13T20:36:16 < qyx_> it seems that it is not able to properly reject noise on its inputs 2013-08-13T20:36:56 < emeb> so where is that sawtooth waveshape coming from? 2013-08-13T20:45:04 < qyx_> the diff amplifier seems to generate too much noise on its output :S 2013-08-13T20:48:48 < jpa-> qyx_: do you see the same on the line with a scope? 2013-08-13T20:51:17 < qyx_> i am sampling using lower rate than the freq of the noise on its input 2013-08-13T20:51:29 < jpa-> ah 2013-08-13T20:51:30 < emeb> need moar antialiasing 2013-08-13T20:51:30 < qyx_> it has some 70mVpp swing 2013-08-13T20:52:04 < qyx_> the vcc is clear, definitely more clear than the amplifier output 2013-08-13T20:52:22 < emeb> throw a cap into the feedback of your amplifier & roll off the response. 2013-08-13T20:52:41 < jpa-> how much would 70mVpp be on your graph? does it match? 2013-08-13T20:52:50 < qyx_> it is current sense amplifier with input common mode voltage 12V 2013-08-13T20:52:55 < qyx_> i don't know if it is good idea 2013-08-13T20:53:24 < qyx_> and feedback is factory set at 25 2013-08-13T20:53:54 < qyx_> ZXCT1084 www.diodes.com/datasheets/ZXCT1082_87.pdf‎ 2013-08-13T20:55:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-13T21:05:44 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-63-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-13T21:05:45 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-13T21:44:03 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.142.139] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2013-08-13T21:44:40 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.142.139] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T21:55:55 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T22:10:47 -!- Intelaida_ [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-13T22:11:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T22:11:35 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-6-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T22:18:43 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-13T22:21:07 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T22:21:27 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T22:22:13 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-13T22:26:27 -!- Vutral [~ss@2a01:198:35a::101] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T22:26:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@2a01:198:35a::101] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-13T22:26:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T22:30:50 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-13T22:56:36 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-13T23:16:40 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.142.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-13T23:31:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.81] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Day changed Wed Aug 14 2013 2013-08-14T00:07:35 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-14T00:10:43 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-14T00:10:44 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-14T00:11:51 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T00:13:06 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T00:13:20 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T00:31:21 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-14T00:33:48 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-14T01:19:41 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-14T01:20:23 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-14T01:20:45 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-14T01:21:14 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T01:25:51 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T01:26:07 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T01:40:55 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T02:12:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T02:14:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-14T02:14:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T02:19:04 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-14T02:26:49 < dongs> who killed chats 2013-08-14T02:27:35 < emeb> chat-killer 2013-08-14T02:28:30 < emeb> dongs: how does J-Link switch between JTAG and SWD? 2013-08-14T02:29:04 < emeb> client of mine is using Keil + cheapo yellow J-Link dongle and he's unable to connect to an SWD board. 2013-08-14T02:30:15 < emeb> gets this error: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/THGDaU30.html 2013-08-14T02:30:45 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-14T02:33:13 < dongs> um, in the targe properties 2013-08-14T02:33:21 < dongs> debug 2013-08-14T02:33:24 < dongs> choose jlink/etc 2013-08-14T02:33:35 < dongs> and settings 2013-08-14T02:33:38 < dongs> 'port' 2013-08-14T02:36:37 < emeb> ty 2013-08-14T02:38:00 < emeb> I wonder - can you tell from that error dump if it's using JTAG or SWD? I see "TotalIRLen" and though JTAG. 2013-08-14T02:38:37 < dongs> no but default is jtag 2013-08-14T02:38:43 < dongs> and you have to switch tswd it wont do it auto 2013-08-14T02:38:50 < emeb> ic 2013-08-14T02:44:18 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@109.78.55.3] has quit [] 2013-08-14T03:59:59 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-08-14T04:48:23 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T04:55:39 -!- inca [~quassel@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-14T04:56:29 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T05:07:12 -!- R2COM1 [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T05:10:40 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-14T05:11:53 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T05:13:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-14T05:16:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T05:24:48 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-6-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-14T05:34:56 < dongs> new gmail replyshit is really fucking pissing me off DAMN 2013-08-14T05:36:31 < dongs> huh 2013-08-14T05:36:35 < dongs> what the fuck is all this new invensense shit 2013-08-14T05:36:59 < dongs> http://www.invensense.com/mems/gyro/mpu-61nx.html 2013-08-14T05:37:03 < dongs> "industrial applications" 2013-08-14T05:39:24 < R2COM1> what about it? 2013-08-14T05:51:30 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T05:51:34 < dongs> nothing 2013-08-14T05:52:29 < R2COM1> is it bad? 2013-08-14T05:52:34 < dongs> hmm 2013-08-14T05:52:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-14T05:52:41 < dongs> BMA280 is supposed to hit digikey end of september 2013-08-14T05:52:50 < R2COM1> accel+gyro in one die 2013-08-14T05:53:03 < R2COM1> 2000dps 2013-08-14T05:53:08 < dongs> yeah but mpu6k accel has sucked for a while 2013-08-14T05:53:25 < dongs> this new trash just sounds like they're picking good dies and running them through some extra tests 2013-08-14T05:53:27 < R2COM1> supports spi as well 2013-08-14T05:53:29 < dongs> and makign them $50 instead of $5 2013-08-14T05:54:14 < R2COM1> 50$ 2013-08-14T05:54:15 < R2COM1> ? 2013-08-14T05:54:18 < R2COM1> i dont see price there 2013-08-14T05:54:41 < dongs> the old industrial mpu3300 is $58/ea single qty 2013-08-14T05:54:59 < dongs> http://www.invensense.com/mems/gyro/mpu3300.html 2013-08-14T05:55:00 < dongs> i.e. this 2013-08-14T05:55:12 < dongs> they only give these kinda specs 2013-08-14T05:55:12 < dongs> Bias instability: 15°/hour 2013-08-14T05:55:13 < dongs> Noise performance: 0.005°/sec/.Hz 2013-08-14T05:55:13 < dongs> Sensitivity scale factor variation over temperature: 2% 2013-08-14T05:55:13 < dongs> Zero-rate output variation over temperature: ±0.14°/sec/°C 2013-08-14T05:55:15 < dongs> for "expensive" shit 2013-08-14T05:55:43 < dongs> but like their old gyros was 0.01degsec/hz 2013-08-14T05:55:45 < dongs> for noise 2013-08-14T05:56:40 < R2COM1> isnt bma280 just like lsm303 2013-08-14T05:56:51 < dongs> ha ha no 2013-08-14T05:58:46 < R2COM1> ok 2013-08-14T05:58:54 < R2COM1> lsm303 1 mg/LSB 2013-08-14T05:59:00 < R2COM1> this one says resolution is 0.244mg 2013-08-14T05:59:05 < R2COM1> for bma280 2013-08-14T06:00:37 < dongs> LSM303DLH right? 2013-08-14T06:00:38 < R2COM1> and also 120ug/sqrt(Hz) noise density 2013-08-14T06:00:39 < dongs> which one are you using 2013-08-14T06:00:42 < R2COM1> instead of LSM303's 220 2013-08-14T06:00:48 < R2COM1> LSM303DLH 2013-08-14T06:00:51 < R2COM1> LGA40 2013-08-14T06:00:53 < R2COM1> 14 2013-08-14T06:01:30 < R2COM1> so yea, BMA280 is about 5x better in terms of resolution and 2x better in terms of noise 2013-08-14T06:01:44 < dongs> also ODR 2013-08-14T06:02:05 < R2COM1> 2Khz 2013-08-14T06:02:07 < R2COM1> ok 2013-08-14T06:02:10 < R2COM1> vs 1.6Khz 2013-08-14T06:02:47 < R2COM1> or 1.344Khz in normal mode for lsm303 2013-08-14T06:02:49 < R2COM1> so yeah 2013-08-14T06:02:59 < R2COM1> better part. if you dont need integrated compass 2013-08-14T06:05:18 < R2COM1> well... BOSCH!!!!! 2013-08-14T06:06:53 < R2COM1> I'm assuming those are the parts they are using in their inclinometers/angle meter products too 2013-08-14T06:08:48 < dongs> you'd think so 2013-08-14T06:10:06 -!- R2COM1 is now known as R2COM 2013-08-14T06:16:16 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-14T06:18:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T06:25:54 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-14T06:26:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T06:52:05 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-52-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-14T07:21:16 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-14T07:24:24 < ds2> does 6thou seems like a common thickness for stenciles? 2013-08-14T07:24:27 < ds2> stencils 2013-08-14T07:24:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T07:36:58 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-14T07:37:08 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-79-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T07:37:08 -!- Activate_for_mor is now known as Inteliada 2013-08-14T07:41:30 < dongs> what the hell is a thou 2013-08-14T07:41:39 < dongs> I use 0.13T stencils 2013-08-14T07:41:45 < dongs> which are 5.1? mil i guess 2013-08-14T07:41:50 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-79-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-14T07:42:09 < dongs> I think I had some 0.15T before, it was a bit too thick for my liking. 2013-08-14T07:42:26 < R0b0t1> dongs, are you a wizard 2013-08-14T07:42:42 < dongs> no i'm a professional troll 2013-08-14T07:45:17 < R0b0t1> dongs, I was told to ask you how to fix wine 2013-08-14T07:45:18 < ds2> 1thou == 1mil == 0.001 inch 2013-08-14T07:45:26 < ds2> roughly 1/40 mm 2013-08-14T07:45:48 < ds2> Hmmmm 6mil might be doable with a small laser 2013-08-14T07:45:49 < BrainDamage> I think thou stands for thousant's of an inch 2013-08-14T07:46:14 < ds2> machinist use thou's.... electronics folks use mil... loonies use mm ;) 2013-08-14T07:46:16 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-14T07:46:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T07:46:56 < BrainDamage> you mean the rest of the world that isn't batshit crazies of america 2013-08-14T07:47:27 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-59-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T07:49:23 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-14T07:50:43 * R0b0t1 picks up a stick and pokes dongs 2013-08-14T07:51:16 < dongs> R0b0t1, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on. 2013-08-14T07:51:39 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-59-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-14T07:58:54 < R0b0t1> lol 2013-08-14T07:59:13 < R0b0t1> damn, he was actually pretty smart 2013-08-14T07:59:34 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-3-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T08:26:38 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-14T08:26:41 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T08:30:44 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T08:52:11 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T08:57:29 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T08:58:53 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-14T09:04:16 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T09:05:12 < R2COM> with 5mil stencil bridges during reflow on low pitch tqfp's are more rare 2013-08-14T09:05:19 < R2COM> stencils I use are 3mils 2013-08-14T09:05:35 < R2COM> err 2013-08-14T09:05:50 < R2COM> with 5mil bridges are more often I mean 2013-08-14T09:08:53 < dongs> WUt 2013-08-14T09:09:00 < dongs> bridges are a factor of shitty paste 2013-08-14T09:09:02 < dongs> not stencil 2013-08-14T09:09:14 < dongs> ever since i switched from zephpaste to this amazing jap shit 2013-08-14T09:09:15 < R2COM> bigger stencil -> more paste 2013-08-14T09:09:17 < dongs> ive had zero bridges 2013-08-14T09:09:28 < R2COM> I'm using ChipQuick 2013-08-14T09:09:33 < dongs> lol that stuff is trash 2013-08-14T09:09:37 < dongs> zeph > that shit 2013-08-14T09:09:39 < R2COM> which stuff you use 2013-08-14T09:09:41 < dongs> but jap shit > zeph 2013-08-14T09:09:48 < R2COM> link 2013-08-14T09:09:52 < dongs> sec 2013-08-14T09:10:09 < dongs> http://www.zeph.com/lead-free_zerolead_no-lead_solder_paste_no-clean_rohs_compliant_10cc.htm 2013-08-14T09:10:12 < dongs> this shit 2013-08-14T09:10:15 < dongs> is epic 2013-08-14T09:10:22 < dongs> absolutely owns chipquik 2013-08-14T09:10:46 < dongs> http://www.matsuo21.com/?page_id=17 and this is jap shit 2013-08-14T09:10:48 < dongs> 'zero ball" 2013-08-14T09:10:51 < R2COM> wonder if they had jar 2013-08-14T09:10:56 < dongs> zeph? 2013-08-14T09:10:59 < R2COM> yeah 2013-08-14T09:11:07 < dongs> not afaik. why would you want jar. 2013-08-14T09:11:10 < dongs> its more wasteful 2013-08-14T09:11:17 < dongs> syringe is way better for application for printing 2013-08-14T09:11:21 < R2COM> with syringe its not convenient to put extra unused one back 2013-08-14T09:11:25 < dongs> um 2013-08-14T09:11:32 < dongs> with syringe, you dont NEED to put unused one back 2013-08-14T09:11:33 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.41.234] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T09:11:36 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-14T09:12:17 < R2COM> ok saved link 2013-08-14T09:12:26 < dongs> get musk to aprpove buying zeph 2013-08-14T09:12:29 < dongs> its definitely worth it 2013-08-14T09:12:34 < R2COM> whats musk? 2013-08-14T09:12:39 < dongs> spacex ceo, duh 2013-08-14T09:12:45 < dongs> you should known your own boss 2013-08-14T09:13:10 < dongs> anyway, i've done thousands of boards with zeph shit 2013-08-14T09:13:13 < dongs> and its alwas been awesome. 2013-08-14T09:13:53 < dongs> http://www.zeph.com/zt-5100.htm you might also be interested in this 2013-08-14T09:14:04 < dongs> to go with the paste tubes 2013-08-14T09:14:27 < R2COM> hm 2013-08-14T09:15:01 < dongs> a guy in another channel was using chipquik 2013-08-14T09:15:03 < dongs> and shit was bridging 2013-08-14T09:15:05 < dongs> and aids in general 2013-08-14T09:15:07 < dongs> i had him try zeph 2013-08-14T09:15:13 < dongs> he was like this chipqhick shit is going to the garbage 2013-08-14T09:15:15 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.96.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-14T09:16:01 < R2COM> but that dispensing stuff 2013-08-14T09:16:05 < R2COM> not sure if I really need it 2013-08-14T09:16:26 < dongs> if you have stencils, no 2013-08-14T09:16:45 < dongs> jew here has one of those foot operated pressure dispenser shits 2013-08-14T09:16:48 < dongs> not this model but something else 2013-08-14T09:16:53 < dongs> haevnt seen it being used much 2013-08-14T09:17:03 < dongs> for me its quicker to order = get stencil 2013-08-14T09:17:14 < R2COM> yes 2013-08-14T09:17:22 < R2COM> especially stencils are quick 2013-08-14T09:17:27 < R2COM> and go to order right when pcb is done 2013-08-14T09:18:48 < R2COM> with chipquick, in order to avoid bridges, what I was doing is, after paste is applied, and chip is aligned, i was pressing some liquid flux with pen around chip, to flood area additionally with liquid no-clean flux, and it helped to avoid bridges 2013-08-14T09:19:04 < dongs> lolwut 2013-08-14T09:19:04 < dongs> get out 2013-08-14T09:19:51 < R2COM> so, I'll probably put it on an order and see how good this zeph stuff is 2013-08-14T09:20:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T09:21:30 < R2COM> flux activation temp: 140C 2013-08-14T09:21:38 < dongs> are you using leadfree trash? 2013-08-14T09:21:42 < dongs> they have leaded paste also 2013-08-14T09:22:03 < R2COM> well... I'd use leadfree (although it doesnt matter for what I do now) 2013-08-14T09:23:06 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-14T09:23:21 < R2COM> by the way soon I'm going to try paste-in-hole reflow 2013-08-14T09:23:26 < R2COM> for through hole connectors 2013-08-14T09:23:39 < dongs> SN74LVC3G17DCTR anything similar to this thats more common 2013-08-14T09:23:40 < R2COM> dont want to solder them by hand anymore 2013-08-14T09:23:43 < dongs> 5V out 2013-08-14T09:24:23 < R2COM> why you want similar to this one? 2013-08-14T09:24:30 < dongs> this one is too expensisve? 2013-08-14T09:24:30 < R2COM> this is very frequent part its all over everywhere 2013-08-14T09:24:36 < dongs> OK 2013-08-14T09:24:40 < R2COM> expencive? like how much? 2013-08-14T09:25:02 < dongs> wouldnt 4bit be cehaper 2013-08-14T09:25:20 < R2COM> this part is 0.2$ for qty 2013-08-14T09:25:28 < dongs> thats espensive 2013-08-14T09:25:33 < dongs> thou im checking wiht my normal supplier 2013-08-14T09:26:06 < R2COM> buy from TI then 2013-08-14T09:26:58 < R2COM> oh 2013-08-14T09:27:02 < R2COM> its more money form ti.com 2013-08-14T09:28:03 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-14T09:28:37 < R2COM> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/74LVC126AT14-13/74LVC126AT14-13DITR-ND/3076482 2013-08-14T09:28:41 < R2COM> 0.1$ 2013-08-14T09:28:52 < R2COM> but 24mA 2013-08-14T09:31:12 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-14T09:31:27 < dongs> excess food 2013-08-14T09:31:57 < R2COM> is 0.1$ expencive? 2013-08-14T09:32:21 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T09:32:56 < dongs> ask zippe 2013-08-14T09:32:57 < dongs> yes. 2013-08-14T09:36:19 < R2COM> Octopart.com shows that average price for that stuff is 0.44$ 2013-08-14T09:36:27 < R2COM> its lowest is 0.18$ 2013-08-14T09:38:48 < R2COM> but I'm pretty sure it can be bought way cheaper from some chinese village 2013-08-14T09:39:37 < R2COM> afterall those are low grade parts, not hard to produce 2013-08-14T09:39:46 < R2COM> its not Virtex 7...or 5GSPS ADC 2013-08-14T09:42:52 < emeb_mac> those come from another village. 2013-08-14T09:43:12 < R2COM> guess what you might be right 2013-08-14T09:43:40 < R2COM> I remember long time ago a guy on some forum was showing fake high end spartan 6 devices from that family 2013-08-14T09:44:00 < R2COM> he got it for super cheap price from china, he was setting up some rigorous tests, and figured out it works just as original 2013-08-14T09:44:35 < R2COM> of course I'm not sure how many years it would last etc... but. it worked. 2013-08-14T09:46:16 < R2COM> they got almost the latest chip technology... but still cant manufacture good air defence systems.. 2013-08-14T09:46:36 < emeb_mac> ? 2013-08-14T09:46:50 < dongs> how many years ago was this? 2013-08-14T09:46:52 < dongs> when ROHS shit dropped 2013-08-14T09:47:00 < dongs> non-rohs crap became practically free 2013-08-14T09:47:19 < dongs> my chinaman sometimes offers me nonrohs shit just for lols and its like 2013-08-14T09:47:21 < R2COM> rohs is only europe if I'm correct? 2013-08-14T09:47:22 < dongs> digieky price = $5 2013-08-14T09:47:25 < dongs> china price = $1 2013-08-14T09:47:29 < dongs> non-rohs price = $0.10 2013-08-14T09:47:30 < dongs> that kinda s cale 2013-08-14T09:47:56 < dongs> yes but most manufacfurers are only making rohs parts now 2013-08-14T09:48:04 < dongs> so non-rohs shit with same existing rohs replacement c= hceap as hsit 2013-08-14T09:48:24 < R2COM> basically its all about lead? 2013-08-14T09:48:33 < dongs> ya sure 2013-08-14T09:48:37 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T09:48:37 < R2COM> its funny 2013-08-14T09:48:40 < ds2> no...HS 2013-08-14T09:48:42 < ds2> ;) 2013-08-14T09:48:48 < R2COM> then why are there batteries in europe with lead? 2013-08-14T09:48:51 < R2COM> or car batteries? 2013-08-14T09:48:54 < R2COM> I dont see logic. 2013-08-14T09:49:19 < R2COM> bullets are with lead too 2013-08-14T09:49:35 < talsit> the lead in batteries is easily recyclable 2013-08-14T09:49:42 < talsit> the lead in bullets is MEANT to kill 2013-08-14T09:49:51 < R2COM> bullshit 2013-08-14T09:50:06 < ds2> they are working on outlawing cars 2013-08-14T09:50:07 < R2COM> how many people out of 10 europeans recycle lead batteries PROPERLY? 2013-08-14T09:50:09 < R2COM> 1? 2013-08-14T09:50:10 < R2COM> 5? 2013-08-14T09:50:11 < R2COM> 9? 2013-08-14T09:50:14 < emeb_mac> lead in bullets is there just for mass 2013-08-14T09:50:15 < R2COM> I think 0. 2013-08-14T09:50:19 < ds2> so no more lead batteries 2013-08-14T09:50:45 < R2COM> I'm talking about simple everyday use batteries 2013-08-14T09:50:51 < R2COM> they are all lead 2013-08-14T09:50:57 < talsit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_recycling#Battery_recycling_by_location 2013-08-14T09:51:11 < ds2> supposely there is LiFe that can work in place of the Pb batteries 2013-08-14T09:51:12 < R2COM> talsit: 0 people give shit to that 2013-08-14T09:51:22 < talsit> 0 out of 0? 2013-08-14T09:51:23 < talsit> sure 2013-08-14T09:51:49 < R2COM> the point is, lead is still a lot everywhere, and it was silly to dick to the pcbs and make everyone do rohs 2013-08-14T09:52:02 < talsit> oh, i agree to that 2013-08-14T09:52:08 < talsit> i fucken hate lead-free solder 2013-08-14T09:52:14 < emeb_mac> ya 2013-08-14T09:52:29 < ds2> silliness is irrelevant 2013-08-14T09:52:33 < ds2> rohs creates jobs 2013-08-14T09:52:34 < talsit> you asked a question regarding WHY batteries are exempt 2013-08-14T09:52:36 < ds2> we must have more jobs 2013-08-14T09:52:41 < ds2> we cannot have durable working goods 2013-08-14T09:52:47 < emeb_mac> gets all crystallized & nasty 2013-08-14T09:52:49 < talsit> that was one of the reason i read 2013-08-14T09:52:51 < ds2> jobs means votes 2013-08-14T09:53:02 < ds2> can't afford to lose votes and support practical working things 2013-08-14T09:53:10 < emeb_mac> someone's feeling cynical tonight 2013-08-14T09:56:23 < R2COM> lead blocks radiation too if I'm correct 2013-08-14T09:56:33 < R2COM> xD 2013-08-14T09:57:32 < emeb_mac> or tantalum foil 2013-08-14T09:57:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-14T09:59:43 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-14T10:06:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T10:10:10 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-14T10:21:09 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-3-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-14T10:27:54 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-14T10:36:29 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T10:41:43 -!- Joker_ [d47c03d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.3.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-14T10:56:20 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T11:01:14 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T11:02:57 < R0b0t1> 2013-08-14T11:03:09 < R0b0t1> 2013-08-14T11:26:49 -!- ntfreak_ [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T11:27:05 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-14T11:40:37 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T11:44:53 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-14T11:45:42 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-14T11:48:40 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-14T11:59:00 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.165.169.79] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T12:06:26 < zyp> dongs, did the stencil order go out yet? 2013-08-14T12:07:05 < zyp> (just asking, not going to add anything) 2013-08-14T12:15:38 < dongs> zyp, itll happen 2013-08-14T12:15:45 < dongs> boards shipped today 2013-08-14T12:15:48 < dongs> ill have htem in 2 days 2013-08-14T12:15:52 < dongs> stencil, will ship in next batch 2013-08-14T12:15:58 < dongs> like 2 days from now. 2013-08-14T12:15:59 < dongs> sry. 2013-08-14T12:15:59 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@204.sub-75-233-51.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T12:17:19 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-14T12:17:26 < zyp> ok, thanks 2013-08-14T12:17:55 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-14T12:19:30 < zyp> hmm, so, when will you have everything? 2013-08-14T12:21:34 < dongs> next week i guess. i'll hurry it up. stencil is wiating on some other faggot otherwise it would have been in today 2013-08-14T12:25:32 < dongs> this week is all jap holidays anyway 2013-08-14T12:25:33 < dongs> fucking aids 2013-08-14T12:31:45 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-14T12:31:54 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T12:35:34 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T12:37:18 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.165.169.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-14T12:39:18 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@204.sub-75-233-51.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-14T12:39:39 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-14T12:42:53 < Tectu> guys, do you use a wet sponge or steel wool for your solder tips? 2013-08-14T12:45:15 < zyp> I use some brass stuff 2013-08-14T12:45:34 < zyp> wetting a sponge is too much hassle 2013-08-14T12:46:10 < Tectu> zyp, jup, brass stuff is what I meant 2013-08-14T12:46:18 < Tectu> zyp, well, does it work as good as a wet sponge? 2013-08-14T12:46:30 < Tectu> or do you need both 2013-08-14T13:20:17 < zyp> of course you don't need both 2013-08-14T13:22:57 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-110-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T13:25:38 < dongs> ok i dont generally retween faecesbook links but https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=543306419074000&set=vb.366101510127085&type=2&theater 2013-08-14T13:25:41 < dongs> retweet even 2013-08-14T13:25:53 < dongs> im sure original is on jewtube somewehre 2013-08-14T13:25:55 < dongs> but i cba to find it. 2013-08-14T13:28:23 < dongs> Sharp Notebook PC Hi-Res AMLCD IGZO 15.6” QHD 2560 x 1440 188 PPI 2013-08-14T13:28:23 < dongs> Sharp Notebook PC Hi-Res AMLCD IGZO 13.3” QHD 2560 x 1440 220 PPI 2013-08-14T13:28:24 < dongs> Sharp Notebook PC Hi-Res AMLCD IGZO 11.6” QHD 2560 x 1440 253 PPI 2013-08-14T13:28:25 < dongs> wow. 2013-08-14T13:28:28 < dongs> what teh fuck 2013-08-14T13:38:21 <+Steffanx> lol good one dongs :D 2013-08-14T13:38:39 <+Steffanx> but facebook... photo.php and get a video :D 2013-08-14T13:38:49 < dongs> yeah... sorry about that. 2013-08-14T13:39:44 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-110-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-14T13:42:11 < dongs> http://kakaku.com/item/K0000559571/ huh, not bad 2013-08-14T13:42:20 < dongs> 14" 3200x1800 2013-08-14T13:43:22 < scrts> what's the price in USD? 2013-08-14T13:43:26 < dongs> 1200-ish 2013-08-14T13:43:43 < dongs> eh more like 1320 2013-08-14T13:43:50 < dongs> i guess usdjpy is failing again 2013-08-14T13:56:05 <+Steffanx> lol that resolution dongs. 2013-08-14T13:56:15 <+Steffanx> You'll probably get 2 fps 2013-08-14T13:57:12 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T13:57:44 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T13:58:13 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-14T14:02:44 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2013-08-14T14:02:44 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2013-08-14T14:03:15 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T14:03:44 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T14:05:21 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-14T14:05:21 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-14T14:05:51 -!- rmob [~rmob@178-26-78-228-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T14:05:57 < zyp> Steffanx, what's wrong with the resolution? 2013-08-14T14:06:22 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T14:06:25 <+Steffanx> It's pretty high. I don't say it's wrong. 2013-08-14T14:06:48 < zyp> it's less than 6M pixels 2013-08-14T14:07:38 < zyp> I'm currently running almost 10M if I sum up the monitors I have hooked up to my workstation, and I don't see any porblems 2013-08-14T14:08:01 <+Steffanx> Why always so serious. :) 2013-08-14T14:08:31 < zyp> because I don't like bullshit 2013-08-14T14:08:33 < jpa-> because your jokes are not worth joking 2013-08-14T14:08:47 <+Steffanx> hi jpa- welcome. 2013-08-14T14:11:50 <+Steffanx> jpa- is fits perfectly within the average 'joke' level of this channel. So .... 2013-08-14T14:12:11 * jpa- fits, so jpa- sits 2013-08-14T14:12:29 < dongs> here lemme link a picture of a dick 2013-08-14T14:12:33 < dongs> to equalize the joke level 2013-08-14T14:12:40 < dongs> getting too srs 2013-08-14T14:12:45 <+Steffanx> We already have you dongs. 2013-08-14T14:12:52 <+Steffanx> We don't need pics. 2013-08-14T14:13:11 < jpa-> equalizing such a narrow distribution will give nasty gaps in the histogram.. 2013-08-14T14:14:04 <+Steffanx> Then it's your job to fill those gaps 2013-08-14T14:17:46 <+Steffanx> btw, you use the an 'extra' gpu for that zyp, not the built-in stuff 2013-08-14T14:18:04 <+Steffanx> ( i don't see them mentioning anything about a gpu on that website or on the website they link to ) 2013-08-14T14:18:30 < zyp> ok, I didn't open any links 2013-08-14T14:19:17 <+Steffanx> Actualy it was meant to be a question. If you use a videocard 2013-08-14T14:19:54 < zyp> yes, I do 2013-08-14T14:23:11 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T14:28:17 < Laurenceb> http://www.zettera.com/users/xandmi/b3ta/iwo-jima.jpg 2013-08-14T14:33:18 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.162.67.250] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T14:34:14 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T14:35:09 <+Steffanx> See, Laurenceb knows what we expect here jpa-. 2013-08-14T14:49:36 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T15:12:34 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T15:12:42 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-14T15:14:18 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-125-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T15:23:08 < dongs> http://www.independent.ie/business/henkel-pulls-toilet-freshener-after-ukraine-takes-offence-29498918.html 2013-08-14T15:23:11 < dongs> retweet 2013-08-14T15:25:16 < Laurenceb> this is not twitter 2013-08-14T15:25:24 < Laurenceb> dont use that word 2013-08-14T15:25:32 < Laurenceb> twitter needs to die 2013-08-14T15:25:37 < dongs> #shutup #faggot 2013-08-14T15:25:59 * Steffanx likes. 2013-08-14T15:26:12 < dongs> [ become a fan ] 2013-08-14T15:26:18 < Laurenceb> arggggg 2013-08-14T15:26:23 < Laurenceb> twatter 2013-08-14T15:26:40 <+Steffanx> How you would call it Laurenceb? 2013-08-14T15:27:07 < dongs> http://www.thedailyrage.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/facebook-become-a-fan-rage.png 2013-08-14T15:27:28 < Laurenceb> haha 2013-08-14T15:27:31 < Laurenceb> dailyrage 2013-08-14T15:27:46 < Laurenceb> my kind of site 2013-08-14T15:27:47 <+Steffanx> "Here an URL that someone else pasted in some random channel and i like to share it with you" Laurenceb? 2013-08-14T15:28:35 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-125-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-14T15:28:50 < dongs> http://www.thedailyrage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/capri-sun-rage.gif haha 2013-08-14T15:29:35 <+Steffanx> Found have to been to failacademy if you do things like that 2013-08-14T15:29:55 <+Steffanx> You, not found.. 2013-08-14T15:30:24 < dongs> time to start on a board with SMPTE259M cable equalizer 2013-08-14T15:31:34 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-125-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T15:38:13 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-125-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-14T15:49:47 < zyp> dongs, how much do I owe you for this stuff? 2013-08-14T15:51:51 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-6-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T15:52:40 < zyp> I mainly need a price for the first board, stencil and shipping, since that's workstuff and people keeps asking me what it'll cost 2013-08-14T15:53:59 < dongs> 60bux for stencil and you can tell them rand() for the boards since they were free-ish 2013-08-14T15:54:12 < dongs> i can get you an invoice if you want 2013-08-14T15:55:04 < zyp> well, I just need an estimate 2013-08-14T15:55:47 < dongs> pick a number and that'll do. 2013-08-14T15:56:15 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-6-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-14T15:56:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/BWkqRaL.png wow thats so badly not to s cale 2013-08-14T15:57:28 < dongs> either that or some dimension is acutally wrong 2013-08-14T15:57:33 < zyp> $50 for boards then? I believe that's around what I've paid you before 2013-08-14T15:57:39 < dongs> sounds good. 2013-08-14T15:57:53 < dongs> Our Flagship products are: 2013-08-14T15:57:54 < dongs> “ZigBee Automated Manufacturing Test Software” – Test and Measurement 2013-08-14T15:57:54 < dongs> “WLAN (WiFi) Automated Manufacturing Test Software” – Test and Measurement 2013-08-14T15:57:54 < dongs> “ZigBee and WLAN Design and Validation Solution “ – Test and Measurement 2013-08-14T15:57:54 < dongs> “LTE UE PHY IP Core” – DSP 2013-08-14T15:57:56 < dongs> “WLAN PHY IP Core” -- DSP - VHDL 2013-08-14T15:57:59 < dongs> got chinaspam 2013-08-14T15:58:09 < dongs> Miss. Susan 2013-08-14T15:58:09 < dongs> M/s MIMOWAVES Technologies 2013-08-14T15:58:10 < dongs> Bangalore, 2013-08-14T15:58:12 < dongs> oh, indiaspam 2013-08-14T15:58:28 < dongs> im supposed to believe someone from india is called Susan 2013-08-14T15:58:49 < zyp> "that's my english name" 2013-08-14T15:58:53 < zyp> I bet 2013-08-14T15:59:46 < dongs> LTE UE is what 2013-08-14T15:59:58 < dongs> user Equipment eth 2013-08-14T16:00:01 < zyp> user equipment 2013-08-14T16:00:46 < dongs> zyp: i can ship 2L + stencil on tuesday 2013-08-14T16:00:56 < dongs> I can ship 2L in 2 days or wait for stencil 2013-08-14T16:01:23 < dongs> not too late? 2013-08-14T16:02:10 < dongs> this weeks holidays in jp/kr fucked everything up 2013-08-14T16:02:37 < dongs> wait 2013-08-14T16:02:38 < dongs> wtf 2013-08-14T16:02:44 < dongs> tuesday is next week. hm. lemme see if I can do better 2013-08-14T16:04:55 < dongs> looks like friday is doable. and you should get it mid-next week 2013-08-14T16:09:25 < zyp> no point in shipping separately, I need stencil to assemble 2013-08-14T16:09:43 < dongs> right, but board are here friday. 2013-08-14T16:10:05 < dongs> so i'll see if i can get both shits gone that day. 2013-08-14T16:10:11 < zyp> that would be great 2013-08-14T16:10:14 < zyp> also F3s 2013-08-14T16:10:23 < zyp> how much did you want for them? $4-5? 2013-08-14T16:10:28 < dongs> something like that 2013-08-14T16:10:30 < dongs> how many you need? 2013-08-14T16:10:37 < zyp> enough for the second board 2013-08-14T16:10:44 < dongs> so like ~10-ish? 2013-08-14T16:11:15 < zyp> at least enough to populate all boards :p 2013-08-14T16:11:54 < zyp> so if there will be 12 boards, ship 12 2013-08-14T16:12:29 < dongs> ok ill count when the shit is here 2013-08-14T16:15:03 < zyp> good 2013-08-14T16:16:54 < dongs> so yeah 2013-08-14T16:16:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/BWkqRaL.png 2013-08-14T16:17:07 < dongs> i think that dimension is way fucked 2013-08-14T16:17:10 < dongs> if pitch is 0.65... 2013-08-14T16:17:17 < dongs> there's no fucking way pad length is 0.55 2013-08-14T16:17:21 < dongs> 1.55 maybe? 2013-08-14T16:19:05 < zyp> probably image not to scale 2013-08-14T16:19:32 < zyp> 0.55x0.35 is still possible 2013-08-14T16:19:36 < zyp> this is QFN? 2013-08-14T16:19:45 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T16:20:11 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-14T16:20:50 < zyp> then 0.55 sounds right 2013-08-14T16:21:05 < zyp> also sounds like the kind of footprint that's likely to get fucked up 2013-08-14T16:23:08 < dongs> im looking at richtek QFN and its 1.1mm long 2013-08-14T16:23:11 < dongs> which looks more reasonable 2013-08-14T16:24:03 < dongs> hm 2013-08-14T16:24:06 < dongs> then pad is really too big 2013-08-14T16:24:20 < dongs> with 0.55 its ok 2013-08-14T16:24:26 < dongs> wtf could it really be that shitty then 2013-08-14T16:29:23 < dongs> what kinda asshole draws a footprint NOT TO SCALE 2013-08-14T16:29:40 < karlp> anyone who wants to have all dimensions and points clearly legible? 2013-08-14T16:29:52 < dongs> waud 2013-08-14T16:30:05 < karlp> if it's too scale, you don't need labels rite? just draw it on and put a scale down :) 2013-08-14T16:30:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/u5QIS03.png 2013-08-14T16:31:27 < dongs> and yes im adding pin1 marker right now 2013-08-14T16:31:40 < karlp> see, by making it not to scale, the can put the 0.55 and the 0.35 figures _bnetween_ the lines, rather than outside the lines 2013-08-14T16:32:00 < karlp> (not that they even did that...) 2013-08-14T16:32:49 < zyp> that looks exactly like a "proper" QFN footprint, which is very easy to fuck up if you don't get the paste amount exactly right, because there's nowhere for excess paste to escape 2013-08-14T16:32:57 < zyp> :p 2013-08-14T16:33:45 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has left ##stm32 ["ISON GargantuaSauce GargantuaSauce_ vaillor"] 2013-08-14T16:34:22 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T16:36:28 -!- ouah [~ouah@unaffiliated/ouah] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T16:36:30 < ouah> hi 2013-08-14T16:36:34 < karlp> by proper do you mena one with the pads only exactly as long as the leads are? 2013-08-14T16:36:38 < ouah> which gcc toolchain is preferred for STM32Fxxx chip, CodeSourcery or https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded ? 2013-08-14T16:36:51 < karlp> vs footprints with the slightly elongated lands? 2013-08-14T16:37:14 < karlp> ouah: unless you're paying mentor the $$$$ there's no particular motivation to use the code sourcery one these days 2013-08-14T16:37:24 < ouah> karlp: the lite version is free 2013-08-14T16:37:42 < karlp> sure, but there's no benefit in using it over gcc-arm-embedded 2013-08-14T16:38:17 < dongs> < ouah> which gcc toolchain is preferred for STM32Fxxx chip, CodeSourcery or https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded ? 2013-08-14T16:38:21 < dongs> if you have to use GCC< sure 2013-08-14T16:38:35 < ouah> karlp: the thing is the two toolchains are different and both free 2013-08-14T16:38:45 < dongs> ouah: everyone here uses g-a-e 2013-08-14T16:38:51 < ouah> does ST recommends one or the other? 2013-08-14T16:38:54 < dongs> code sorcerty shit is dead. 2013-08-14T16:38:57 < dongs> it recommends neither. 2013-08-14T16:39:06 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-14T16:39:09 < dongs> ST recommends Keil MDK-ARM, I do too 2013-08-14T16:39:14 < ouah> I know 2013-08-14T16:39:18 < dongs> but if you gotta be a freetard, g-a-e it is 2013-08-14T16:39:18 < karlp> code sourcery got bought by mentor, and it is already a verison or so behind gcc-arm-embedded, 2013-08-14T16:39:30 < ouah> is the g-a-e more active than codesourcery? 2013-08-14T16:39:33 < karlp> g-a-e unless you feel like trusting and loving and hoping that mentor will be your friend for free. 2013-08-14T16:39:34 < dongs> yes 2013-08-14T16:39:43 < dongs> < karlp> code sourcery got bought by mentor, and it is already a verison or so behind gcc-arm-embedded, 2013-08-14T16:39:50 < dongs> ^ its already older and less updated. 2013-08-14T16:40:13 < dongs> anyhow, toolchain doesnt fucking matter these days. 2013-08-14T16:40:17 < karlp> (they may have caught up again, I don't follow it anymore) 2013-08-14T16:40:27 < dongs> any ~recent version of gcc will produce about same quality code. 2013-08-14T16:40:34 < dongs> and keil/armcc will rape the shit out of it 2013-08-14T16:40:39 < karlp> hah, dongs said gcc will produce quality :) 2013-08-14T16:40:48 < dongs> lolol 2013-08-14T16:41:34 < ouah> so I can assume g-a-e is more widespread and advised 2013-08-14T16:41:54 < dongs> if you're gonna ask dumb shit in this channel, you'd probably get more answers w/that. 2013-08-14T16:42:55 < dongs> http://www.parallax.com/Store/Microcontrollers/PropellerDevelopmentBoards/tabid/514/ProductID/922/List/0/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName,ProductName haha retweeting from another chan 2013-08-14T16:42:59 < dongs> what hte hell is this 2013-08-14T16:43:04 < dongs> a pink jtag dongle for $160?!?!!? 2013-08-14T16:43:59 < Laurenceb> but its pink 2013-08-14T16:44:02 < Laurenceb> so it good 2013-08-14T16:45:50 < karlp> jtagulator came from a vidio and some hackercon 2013-08-14T16:46:02 < karlp> it's a little more than a jtag dongle, but yeah, fuck $160 for it. 2013-08-14T16:46:12 < karlp> more interesting i s the software the dude wrote for it., 2013-08-14T16:46:22 < karlp> plug in all the wires anywhere you feel like to what you think are jtag pins 2013-08-14T16:46:52 < karlp> and it probes and scans and inteprets responses to work out what the correct pins are and spits out the wiring diagram and the tapids 2013-08-14T16:48:09 < karlp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVIsbXzQOIU 2013-08-14T16:48:54 < englishman> wow pink soldermask IS expensive 2013-08-14T16:49:22 < dongs> place doing purple afros will do pink too. 2013-08-14T16:50:48 < englishman> why on earth did you choose purple over pink 2013-08-14T16:50:56 < englishman> purple will just make it look like it came from oshpark 2013-08-14T16:51:04 < dongs> except it didnt 2013-08-14T16:51:56 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-14T16:52:46 < BrainDamage> I wonder if dongs will start to make hw trolling for old time's sake, like a router with hw function that silently redirects all http request to goatse.cx if the user visits once a my little pony site 2013-08-14T16:53:27 < dongs> so boring 2013-08-14T16:53:54 < BrainDamage> I'm sure you'll be able to come up something better 2013-08-14T16:55:59 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T16:55:59 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-14T16:55:59 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T17:14:19 <+Steffanx> BrainDamage, dongs is the old troll generation. The new generation won't understand. 2013-08-14T17:21:14 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T17:28:53 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-14T17:29:22 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T17:31:46 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23693460 2013-08-14T17:34:03 <+Steffanx> I never understood why people need a webcam in a childs room anyway. 2013-08-14T17:34:09 <+Steffanx> I would never ever do that. 2013-08-14T17:34:48 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-14T17:36:31 < BrainDamage> well, Laurenceb does, just not in his child room 2013-08-14T17:36:52 < karlp> so that can decide whether the child reall needs assisntance or whether you can keep doing lines on the coffeetable with your friends instead 2013-08-14T17:42:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T17:44:42 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T17:48:45 < Tectu> placing an order at my electronics distributor... what did I forget this time, guys? 2013-08-14T17:48:58 <+Steffanx> To click "send order"? 2013-08-14T17:50:33 < Lt_Lemming> tectu, the 300 or so MCM capacitors I need for my tesla coil 2013-08-14T17:51:40 < Tectu> Lt_Lemming, na, I already have them on the list, don't worry 2013-08-14T17:51:47 < Lt_Lemming> rofl 2013-08-14T17:57:21 -!- Intelaida_ [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T17:58:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-14T18:01:01 < Lt_Lemming> http://goo.gl/maps/GkVh4 <--- nice street view easter egg 2013-08-14T18:01:36 < dongs> i dont get it 2013-08-14T18:02:56 < Lt_Lemming> notice the arrows pointing to the polix box? 2013-08-14T18:03:17 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-14T18:03:18 < emeb_mac> it's Dr. Who 2013-08-14T18:04:55 <+Steffanx> Arrows Lt_Lemming?! 2013-08-14T18:05:19 < Lt_Lemming> should be right in the center of the view 2013-08-14T18:05:26 < Lt_Lemming> works fine for me 2013-08-14T18:05:48 < dongs> more like dr.fag 2013-08-14T18:05:57 <+Steffanx> http://share.naffets.nl/Google_Maps-20130814-170551.jpg 2013-08-14T18:06:15 < dongs> what trash browser are you using 2013-08-14T18:06:20 <+Steffanx> I use the 'new' google maps. 2013-08-14T18:06:34 < Lt_Lemming> fail on googles part 2013-08-14T18:06:41 <+Steffanx> So probably also the 'new' google streetview. 2013-08-14T18:07:17 <+Steffanx> Ah, there it works. 2013-08-14T18:07:30 <+Steffanx> Yeah, it doesn't work in the new google maps :D 2013-08-14T18:07:52 <+Steffanx> nice nice Lt_Lemming :D 2013-08-14T18:10:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-14T18:12:17 <+Steffanx> I wonder which genius working for google did that. 2013-08-14T18:12:32 <+Steffanx> ( i wonder if they even ask 'permission' or if someone just does that. 2013-08-14T18:12:35 < dongs> sounds liek something Laurenceb would do 2013-08-14T18:30:22 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-14T18:38:11 < BrainDamage> retweeting: http://blog.screamingcircuits.com/2013/05/push-me-pull-you-leds.html 2013-08-14T18:41:13 < Laurenceb> lol seen that at work 2013-08-14T18:43:57 < dongs> wtf is that 2013-08-14T18:46:42 < Laurenceb> n00b leds with wrong polarity 2013-08-14T18:46:53 < Laurenceb> we had to hand fix a batch of stuff 2013-08-14T18:53:10 < dongs> this trash wants a fixed voltage (lets say 1.3V) at a pin to set some internal trash. any reason not to use a voltate divider from VCC? 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2013-08-14T19:32:10 < dongs> "I WANT TO TRIGGER ADC CONVERSION EVERY 2US , XXns AFTER FALLING EDGE OF EACH PWM PULSE, SO IM GOING TO RUN A FUCKING INTERRUPT AT 500kHZ TO DO THIS 2013-08-14T19:32:29 < dongs> fucking newbfailtrash 2013-08-14T19:34:31 < Lt_Lemming> rather than raging, why not demonstrate a better way of doing it? 2013-08-14T19:34:39 < dongs> i did, the fucker doesnt get it 2013-08-14T19:34:44 < dongs> thus the murder part 2013-08-14T19:34:58 < Lt_Lemming> or you're explaining it badly 2013-08-14T19:52:23 -!- 92AAALC26 [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T19:52:23 -!- 92AAALC26 [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-14T19:52:41 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-118-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T19:54:51 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-14T19:58:33 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.141.180] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T20:01:58 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@5.86.107.81] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T20:11:35 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-14T20:19:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-14T20:20:32 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.126.51] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T20:24:28 < gxti> there is significantly less rage in my life now that our friend from spacex is on /ignore 2013-08-14T20:24:51 < gxti> A+ would ignore again 2013-08-14T20:27:55 -!- PT_Dreamer__ [~quassel@109.48.126.90] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T20:28:54 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.126.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-14T20:30:02 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@5.86.107.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-14T20:33:11 < karlp> who's the spacex guy? 2013-08-14T20:33:32 < karlp> or did you mean ignore somewhere else? 2013-08-14T20:33:40 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T20:34:40 -!- PT_Dreamer__ [~quassel@109.48.126.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-14T20:37:09 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@183.sub-75-233-76.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T20:37:50 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-14T20:42:00 < emeb> Yeah - pretty good idea to ignore Elon Musk. 2013-08-14T20:42:09 < emeb> Just full of hot air. 2013-08-14T20:45:42 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T20:46:12 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.141.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-14T20:46:14 < Robint91> is there a good 6lowpan stack for the STM32? 2013-08-14T20:46:23 < Robint91> not the W edition 2013-08-14T20:46:27 < Robint91> using a CC2520 2013-08-14T20:46:33 < gxti> emeb: regrettably /ignore does not work in real life. but that's not who i was talking about :p 2013-08-14T20:48:15 < emeb> gxti: yes, and yes. 2013-08-14T20:50:49 < karlp> Robint91: let me knwo if you find more than contiki and tinyos. 2013-08-14T20:51:26 < gxti> that's the one i was thinking of, couldn't remember the name 2013-08-14T20:51:33 < Lt_Lemming> gxti, who is from spacex? 2013-08-14T20:51:50 < gxti> it supports that radio and it supports stm32 so even though it doesn't show those two things together on the hardware support page it ought to work 2013-08-14T20:52:04 < karlp> gxti: which one were you thinking of? contiki or tinyos? 2013-08-14T20:52:10 < gxti> contiki 2013-08-14T20:52:16 < gxti> haven't had a chance to play with it yet 2013-08-14T20:52:22 < karlp> yeah, it's....... academic. 2013-08-14T20:52:30 < gxti> how unfortunate 2013-08-14T20:53:04 < karlp> it has good bits, but it has a lot of very rough corners that aren't being polished because the academic users have it working for their cases. 2013-08-14T20:53:13 * karlp wants more hours in the day. 2013-08-14T20:53:37 < karlp> it's also the first bsd project I've ntoiced where it's really really clear that code is simply not being returned. 2013-08-14T20:54:21 < gxti> that's often the project owner's fault as much as the consumers' fault 2013-08-14T20:54:24 < karlp> indeed 2013-08-14T20:54:44 < karlp> the docs on porting to new platforms, and recommended ways of structuring code is about zero 2013-08-14T20:54:48 < gxti> as a developer i don't want to have to maintain patches on somebody else's code but it's often impossible to get stuff upstream 2013-08-14T20:54:58 < karlp> and there's a mountain of code that simply doesn't even compile in the main project repo 2013-08-14T20:55:11 < karlp> and no guidance on what the "accepted" way of fixing it is. 2013-08-14T20:55:21 < karlp> so yeah, I understand that people just fix it enough for their own needs and get on with it. 2013-08-14T21:06:51 -!- serserar [~quassel@89.7.202.101] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-14T21:07:41 < Robint91> karlp, mhh 2013-08-14T21:07:52 < karlp> Robint91: yeah, and tinyOS is nesC, so meh 2013-08-14T21:08:46 < karlp> Robint91: there's lots of code, jsut be aware that unless you're using one of the obsolete unpurchasable motes that universities got handed years ago, you're going to be reading the code, 2013-08-14T21:08:52 < karlp> and the code will not all be consistent. 2013-08-14T21:08:56 < Robint91> karlp, pff, for past projects I couldn't get contiki work reliable 2013-08-14T21:09:33 < Robint91> did someone here use the CC2520? 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2013-08-15T00:10:09 < emeb> It's OK I guess. 2013-08-15T00:10:09 < zyp> for being windows, win7 is pretty nice 2013-08-15T00:10:49 < emeb> I use 7 mostly and XP sometimes. I don't have any major complaints. 2013-08-15T00:12:18 < emeb> Heh - Mr. Sparkfun testifies to Congress. 2013-08-15T00:18:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-15T00:23:26 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@178-27-134-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-15T00:43:50 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-15T00:46:18 < gnomad> speaking of windows... http://i.imgur.com/nxIe27P.jpg 2013-08-15T00:47:23 <+Steffanx> That's what it all started with gnomad :P 2013-08-15T00:47:40 <+Steffanx> similar images are going around the web faster then light. 2013-08-15T00:47:53 <+Steffanx> [21:03:12] http://imgur.com/gallery/o7F3Hbl <--- so very true <== gnomad :P 2013-08-15T00:49:45 < gnomad> heh 2013-08-15T01:08:11 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-08-15T01:39:46 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T01:49:58 -!- luke [~luke@cnh8092115207.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T01:50:22 -!- luke is now known as Guest64239 2013-08-15T01:52:53 -!- Luggi09 [~luke@cnh8092115242.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-15T02:14:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T02:14:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-15T02:14:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T02:21:49 < qyx_> has anyone used fixed-point extensions for c? 2013-08-15T02:22:08 < qyx_> the _Fract and _Accum data types 2013-08-15T02:25:04 < emeb> never heard of those 2013-08-15T02:26:02 < qyx_> me too, http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Fixed_002dPoint.html 2013-08-15T02:27:09 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-15T02:28:58 < emeb> interesting 2013-08-15T02:29:23 < emeb> would be handy for some of the DSP I do, but it's not clear exactly how these work. 2013-08-15T02:30:51 < zyp> like normal integers, except with implicit shifts after muls/divs I'd assume 2013-08-15T02:31:00 < qyx_> google that ISO/IEC DTR 18037 standard 2013-08-15T02:31:10 < qyx_> theres some 100 page pdf about that 2013-08-15T02:31:12 < emeb> that's what it sounds like 2013-08-15T02:31:29 < emeb> mostly useful if your CPU supports it natively. 2013-08-15T02:31:36 < emeb> otherwise, I' 2013-08-15T02:31:46 < emeb> d prolly just map it all to integers. 2013-08-15T02:40:35 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-15T02:44:08 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T02:51:48 < dongs> sup 2013-08-15T02:51:51 < dongs> furiously twittering 2013-08-15T02:54:16 < dongs> win8 is greatest thing ever 2013-08-15T03:14:48 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.165.34.167] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T03:20:42 < emeb> fanboi :P 2013-08-15T03:22:33 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-15T03:32:22 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T03:32:30 -!- FmOut [~quassel@89.7.202.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-15T03:49:19 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-15T03:52:23 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T03:56:16 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.165.34.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-15T04:25:09 < dongs> im gonna order $120 worth of shit in samples from TI 2013-08-15T04:25:21 < dongs> LMH0074SQE/NOPB + LMH0031VS/NOPB lets see if they'll send it to me 2013-08-15T04:30:45 < dongs> haha that last chip is so old, it has address/data to access the registers 2013-08-15T04:30:50 < dongs> instead of something modern like i2c/spi 2013-08-15T04:42:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-15T04:44:47 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T04:45:57 < dongs> the 70 GBP revard it's made of 5 boards connected by wires, forming a small red over I2C. 2013-08-15T04:46:00 < dongs> ???????????? 2013-08-15T04:46:04 < dongs> "red over i2c"? 2013-08-15T04:46:09 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm/comments 2013-08-15T04:46:15 < dongs> ESL or just stupid? 2013-08-15T04:49:46 < dongs> http://www.kicktraq.com/avcdn/sudiku-001.jpg 2013-08-15T04:49:47 < dongs> great name 2013-08-15T05:04:25 < emeb> funny how that matchboxarm never nowhere says which particular MCU it is. 2013-08-15T05:04:34 < dongs> nah they do somewehre 2013-08-15T05:04:36 < dongs> its F103C8 2013-08-15T05:05:09 < emeb> huh. not on the front page tho. lame. 2013-08-15T05:09:38 < dongs> it looks like a completely uselss proj 2013-08-15T05:09:41 < dongs> they're stealing coocox ide 2013-08-15T05:09:53 < dongs> and the only "inovation" is msc bootloader 2013-08-15T05:09:57 < dongs> which was posted on ST forums like 5 years ago 2013-08-15T05:10:26 < emeb> innovation! 2013-08-15T05:10:56 < dongs> https://code.google.com/p/stm32bootloader/source/browse/trunk/+stm32bootloader+--username+weiweijeff/?r=4 2013-08-15T05:11:00 < dongs> or maybe its just this 2013-08-15T05:11:01 < dongs> chinese shit 2013-08-15T05:11:02 < dongs> from 2001 2013-08-15T05:11:13 < dongs> er 2011 2013-08-15T05:11:18 < dongs> nah i think that one uses SD card to boot 2013-08-15T05:11:18 < dongs> whatever 2013-08-15T05:11:20 < dongs> worthless anyhow 2013-08-15T05:11:29 < dongs> their original shit is 64k part 2013-08-15T05:11:35 < dongs> they're taking 10k for bootloader 2013-08-15T05:11:39 < dongs> 54k left for code 2013-08-15T05:11:46 < emeb> nice work if you can get it 2013-08-15T05:11:53 < dongs> get wat? 2013-08-15T05:11:54 < emeb> I'll stick with making my own. 2013-08-15T05:12:07 < dongs> I hasve no porblem with ST DFU one. 2013-08-15T05:12:08 < dongs> shit works just fine 2013-08-15T05:12:12 < emeb> ya 2013-08-15T05:12:37 < zippe> The only annoyance with the ST DFU bootloader is that it has no timeout 2013-08-15T05:12:44 < dongs> timeout? 2013-08-15T05:12:45 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-15T05:12:51 < dongs> i have it setup on a button 2013-08-15T05:13:00 < dongs> i.e. if its held down, bootload, otherwise, run straight to code. 2013-08-15T05:13:02 < zippe> Buttons are lame and not useful for me. 2013-08-15T05:13:13 < dongs> well, im pretty fucking surew you should be capable of adding a timeout 2013-08-15T05:13:14 < zippe> I just want it to be a DFU device for about 5 seconds. 2013-08-15T05:13:20 < zippe> Then jump to the application. 2013-08-15T05:13:21 < dongs> should take you all of 5 seconds 2013-08-15T05:13:44 < zippe> And I'd like to not have to spend any flash space on it, since the ROM is perfectly capable otherwise. 2013-08-15T05:13:52 < dongs> pfft 2013-08-15T05:13:58 < dongs> oh, you mean the built in DFU one 2013-08-15T05:14:02 < zippe> Yes. 2013-08-15T05:14:15 < dongs> well, that one doens't activate unless you have shorted BOOT pins right? 2013-08-15T05:14:19 < dongs> so that doesnt matter anyway -> button 2013-08-15T05:14:25 < zippe> You can jump back to it. 2013-08-15T05:14:29 < dongs> sure 2013-08-15T05:14:34 < dongs> i've jumped back to serial one. 2013-08-15T05:14:54 < dongs> k time to assemble some shit 2013-08-15T05:15:03 < zippe> So I'd like to set up a timeout so that it goes off and does its bootloadery thing for about X seconds, then boots my app 2013-08-15T05:15:04 < zippe> 8) 2013-08-15T05:15:53 < dongs> hack the rom. 2013-08-15T05:16:14 < dongs> write a small one that fits into 1k page and calls into ST bootloader code for most of hte work. 2013-08-15T05:16:20 < dongs> i.e. find/replace their main bootloader loop. 2013-08-15T05:16:40 < dongs> that;'ll even make you to frontpage of hackaday. 2013-08-15T05:23:40 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-15T05:30:20 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T06:02:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-15T06:02:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T06:04:56 < zippe> There's no value in a bootloader < 16KiB on the F4 2013-08-15T06:05:11 < zippe> Since otherwise you'd be erasing it all the time. 2013-08-15T06:05:19 < dongs> Heh 2013-08-15T06:05:25 < dongs> 1st page is 16k? 2013-08-15T06:22:29 < dongs> ok who killed chat 2013-08-15T06:23:53 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T06:24:13 < dongs> R2COM: how's outer space 2013-08-15T06:24:57 < R2COM> full of star wars 2013-08-15T06:25:25 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-15T06:25:29 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T06:28:53 < zippe> dongs: yes, first flash page is 16K 2013-08-15T06:32:10 < dongs> i remember back of flash is even worse 2013-08-15T06:32:13 < dongs> something like 128k pages 2013-08-15T06:56:22 < zippe> yes 2013-08-15T07:13:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-15T07:37:29 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-118-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-15T07:41:24 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-115-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T07:59:10 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-241-75-105.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-15T08:22:31 < jpa-> zippe: with 5 second timeout, you wouldn't be able to flash it on windows.. it takes like 30 seconds while it downloads and installs the drivers from windows update 2013-08-15T08:23:28 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-115-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-15T08:30:05 < zippe> jpa-: I know… and as soon as the device disappears, it gives up 2013-08-15T08:30:20 < zippe> jpa-: pathetic 2013-08-15T08:45:59 < emeb_mac> my favorite bit: move a device to a different port - need to reinstall driver. 2013-08-15T08:46:22 < emeb_mac> I'm sure that someone has a good reason for that behavior. :P 2013-08-15T08:47:40 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-7-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T08:59:47 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=APl0edZ8gI8 2013-08-15T09:05:24 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.41.234] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-15T09:08:07 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T09:09:06 -!- ntfreak_ [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-15T09:15:33 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T09:16:15 < jpa-> zippe: why do you need timeout-based bootloader? 2013-08-15T09:16:44 < jpa-> zippe: can't you e.g. have a command to start bootloader from your main app, and some restore procedure if it goes really wrong 2013-08-15T09:31:12 < emeb_mac> duct tape & wd-40 2013-08-15T09:33:45 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-15T09:34:51 < R2COM> soo whats up here 2013-08-15T09:34:55 < R2COM> dongs-thongs 2013-08-15T09:35:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T09:35:15 < dongs> bloggin 2013-08-15T09:35:22 < R2COM> nice 2013-08-15T09:36:00 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T09:36:29 < R2COM> going to use these ones now http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CRA12E08333R0JTR/CRA12E833CT-ND/1285992 2013-08-15T09:38:31 < dongs> wtf 2013-08-15T09:38:33 < dongs> way too expensive 2013-08-15T09:38:57 < R2COM> pfff who cares its for 3 boards 2013-08-15T09:39:06 < dongs> also size seems ghetto 2013-08-15T09:39:14 < dongs> giant 2013-08-15T09:39:34 < R2COM> thats what was available for those specs 2013-08-15T09:39:43 < R2COM> on digikey.. 2013-08-15T09:39:52 < dongs> "specs"? 2013-08-15T09:39:58 < dongs> its a fucking resistor network 2013-08-15T09:40:09 < R2COM> > 90mW 4 resistors 2013-08-15T09:44:51 < R2COM> why my android phone has autocorrect for all words but not "sex" or "sexual" etc? 2013-08-15T09:46:28 < dongs> yea its anoying as fuck 2013-08-15T09:46:32 < dongs> also none of the swear words. 2013-08-15T09:59:16 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-188-107-173-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T09:59:17 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-15T10:09:02 < R2COM> strange most of those TI power regs dont have reverse protection feature 2013-08-15T10:09:08 < R2COM> most of LTC ones do. 2013-08-15T10:09:16 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-15T10:10:24 < dongs> Thank you for downloading 9 Cypress document(s) from our website. 2013-08-15T10:10:25 < dongs> As part of our efforts to improve the quality of our technical documentation, we conduct surveys seeking feedback from those who use it. 2013-08-15T10:10:28 < dongs> ????? 2013-08-15T10:10:32 < dongs> they gave me a "feedback" url 2013-08-15T10:10:34 < dongs> for all 9 of htem 2013-08-15T10:10:38 < dongs> that im supposed to take a survey at 2013-08-15T10:10:40 < dongs> and answer 2013-08-15T10:10:40 < dongs> wtf 2013-08-15T10:11:31 < R2COM> ask them to join this chat, you'll be constantly updating them live. 2013-08-15T10:12:03 < dongs> haha 2013-08-15T10:37:42 < dongs> ugh 2013-08-15T10:37:50 < dongs> pcba done , fucking half a day wasted 2013-08-15T10:37:58 < R2COM> whats pcba 2013-08-15T10:39:10 < dongs> i think y ou can google it up bro 2013-08-15T10:39:44 < R2COM> nah dont feel like it 2013-08-15T10:49:51 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-15T10:59:48 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-15T11:09:53 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T11:39:43 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-15T11:44:53 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T11:51:37 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T12:19:37 -!- SilverHornet9 [~Steve@cpe-65-189-214-87.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T12:20:50 -!- SilverHornet9 [~Steve@cpe-65-189-214-87.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-15T12:51:38 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T12:56:07 -!- inca_ [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T13:00:02 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-15T13:22:13 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-15T13:27:56 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2013/08/14/the-rpc-a-stand-alone-midi-workstation/ 2013-08-15T13:31:50 < dongs> haha 2013-08-15T13:31:55 < dongs> http://rpc.gehennom.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/powered.jpg 2013-08-15T13:31:57 < dongs> ?????????? 2013-08-15T13:31:57 < qyx_> /o\ 2013-08-15T13:31:59 < dongs> lunix desktop??? 2013-08-15T13:32:03 < dongs> to do music on??? 2013-08-15T13:32:05 < ABLomas> hehe 2013-08-15T13:32:05 < dongs> still laughing 2013-08-15T13:32:18 < dongs> of course first thing you see is some retarded fucking SHELL SCREEN 2013-08-15T13:36:59 < Laurenceb_> you know im only feeding you for the lulz 2013-08-15T13:54:24 < dongs> bedtime 2013-08-15T13:54:40 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-15T14:05:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-15T14:21:47 -!- serserar [~quassel@89.7.202.101] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T14:24:02 <+dekar> Can I access the stm32f4 112kb + 16kb SRAM as a continuous block? e.g. have the stack descend from one into the other. 2013-08-15T14:24:55 < zyp> yes 2013-08-15T14:25:07 -!- serserar [~quassel@89.7.202.101] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-15T14:39:36 < Tectu> I'm searching for an available alternative to this SRAM: K6R4016V1D-TC10 2013-08-15T14:39:37 < Tectu> any hints? 2013-08-15T14:39:45 < Tectu> (capacity can be higher / a bit lower) 2013-08-15T14:40:27 < jpa-> what's wrong with just picking an equivalent sram off digikey? 2013-08-15T14:40:53 < Tectu> last time I tried I couldn't find one 2013-08-15T14:41:03 < Tectu> but that's a while ago, I could test my newly learned skills 2013-08-15T14:41:17 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@142.177.90.120] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T14:42:48 < jpa-> do you need it to be pin compatible? 2013-08-15T14:42:55 < Tectu> I never ordered at digikey... are they... good? 2013-08-15T14:42:57 < Tectu> jpa-, yes 2013-08-15T14:43:01 < zyp> yes 2013-08-15T14:43:30 < Tectu> zyp, how fast are they? (in your country) 2013-08-15T14:43:53 < jpa-> digikey is good and very fast, but shipping is somewhat expensive (usually ~30 EUR) and you usually need to pay customs also 2013-08-15T14:43:55 < zyp> I ordered some parts yesterday, I expect to have it tomorrow 2013-08-15T14:44:14 < zyp> shipping is free for me for orders >$100 or so 2013-08-15T14:44:15 < jpa-> though you get free shipping if you order more than 100 EUR IIRC 2013-08-15T14:44:46 < zyp> it's 525 NOK for me, which is slightly less than $100 2013-08-15T14:44:48 < Tectu> so sticking with farnell for small orders does not seem to be that bad? 2013-08-15T14:46:28 < jpa-> Tectu: how about http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/IS61WV25616BLL-10TL/706-1105-ND/1831295 ? 2013-08-15T14:47:13 < Tectu> jpa-, interesting - didn't see that last time :) 2013-08-15T14:47:18 < Tectu> all I could find was some 17$ one 2013-08-15T14:48:27 < jpa-> yeah, farnell has one for $17: http://fi.farnell.com/gsi-technology/gs74116agp-10i/ic-4mb-asynch-sram-256k-x-16-10ns/dp/1447524 2013-08-15T14:50:09 < Tectu> I wonder if jpa- could find an affordable one that works at farnell :D 2013-08-15T14:50:25 < jpa-> yes, but it would be slower 2013-08-15T14:50:40 < Tectu> all the 55ns crap, right? 2013-08-15T14:50:55 < jpa-> yes 2013-08-15T14:51:10 < jpa-> farnell is somewhat expensive; but if you are ordering many, just order from digikey 2013-08-15T14:51:25 < jpa-> and if you are ordering just one, who cares if it costs 16 EUR or 5 EUR 2013-08-15T14:51:42 < Tectu> jpa-, I just need one/two and I order at farnell this weekend anyway 2013-08-15T14:53:49 < jpa-> of course if you are really nice, i can tell you about http://fi.farnell.com/cypress-semiconductor/cy7c1041dv33-10zsxi/sram-4mb-256kx16-3-3v-tsopii-44/dp/1650078 but it will take two weeks to deliver 2013-08-15T14:54:08 <+Steffanx> It's for your open hw project Tectu? At least get one that is available for 'everyone' :) 2013-08-15T14:54:59 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-15T14:56:09 < Tectu> Steffanx, did you see the "available" in my initial sentence? :D 2013-08-15T14:56:26 < jpa-> also if your "a bit lower capacity" includes 1Mbit, you can consider http://fi.farnell.com/integrated-silicon-solution-issi/is61lv6416-10tl/ic-sram-1mbit-10ns-tsop-2-44/dp/2101284 2013-08-15T14:56:45 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T14:56:46 <+Steffanx> there is a difference between available and available Tectu :) 2013-08-15T14:57:03 < jpa-> anything you pick now may not be available in 6 months anyway 2013-08-15T14:57:08 < Tectu> jpa-, I have to run a few calculations, 1Mbit could be probably just a few bits too tight 2013-08-15T14:57:25 < jpa-> Tectu: you can borrow 8 bits from CRC->DR 2013-08-15T14:57:41 < jpa-> oops, i mean CRC->IDR 2013-08-15T14:58:17 <+Steffanx> Didn't you use that for something jpa-? 2013-08-15T14:58:23 <+Steffanx> or did you mention that before. 2013-08-15T14:58:27 < jpa-> Steffanx: yes, i did :) 2013-08-15T14:58:34 < jpa-> it's my favourite register now 2013-08-15T14:59:13 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/AlterBIOS/blob/master/src/alterbios.c#L47 2013-08-15T14:59:41 < Tectu> jpa-, CRC->IDR? 2013-08-15T15:00:28 < jpa-> Tectu: it's a 8 bit register in case you happen to need 1.000008 Mbit of RAM 2013-08-15T15:00:59 < Tectu> jpa-, what is it meant for? 2013-08-15T15:01:22 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-15T15:02:30 < jpa-> Tectu: for storing the 8 bits that you have no other place for 2013-08-15T15:04:48 < qyx_> oh, crap data register 2013-08-15T15:06:09 < jpa-> no, *independent* data register :) 2013-08-15T15:06:19 < jpa-> "i'm not crap data, i'm just independent!" 2013-08-15T15:12:52 <+dekar> so much memory :D http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qDZwyZ4E 2013-08-15T15:13:15 < Tectu> Memory used by Lua: 10kB 2013-08-15T15:13:18 < Tectu> what is that, debris` 2013-08-15T15:13:20 < Tectu> dekar, ^ 2013-08-15T15:13:58 <+dekar> scripting stuff, my co-workers use it 2013-08-15T15:14:18 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-15T15:14:31 < Tectu> this guy runs Haskell on his discovery board: http://ajhc.metasepi.org/ 2013-08-15T15:14:33 < jpa-> doesn't lua easily bloat to 100kB if you load any reasonably sized script? 2013-08-15T15:14:44 < PaulFertser> dekar: fixed point fork or the regular upstream lua? 2013-08-15T15:15:03 < jpa-> what is "non-inuse space" anyway? 2013-08-15T15:15:18 <+dekar> jpa-, I don't think so, we have been running huge scripts on 64kb before 2013-08-15T15:15:27 < jpa-> dekar: ok 2013-08-15T15:15:28 <+dekar> let me see how big the largest one is 2013-08-15T15:16:07 < PaulFertser> s/non-inuse/unused/ ? 2013-08-15T15:16:50 < jpa-> s/unused/free/ 2013-08-15T15:17:35 <+dekar> the largest script one of my colleagues wrote is 30kb of source, the stripped bytecode is 17kb and it runs fine. 2013-08-15T15:18:28 < jpa-> dekar: good to know 2013-08-15T15:21:18 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.127.139] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T15:21:22 <+dekar> PaulFertser, jpa- that's newlib lingo 2013-08-15T15:21:37 -!- Joker_ [d5f22ebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.46.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-15T15:21:37 <+dekar> I just named them like they did in their comments 2013-08-15T15:22:42 <+dekar> http://pastebin.com/SRVqJGGb 2013-08-15T15:23:54 <+dekar> precompiling and stripping (debug info) the lua bytecode does make sense though 2013-08-15T15:24:13 <+dekar> I used to compile it on the stm32 itself which at some point started to throw OOM errors 2013-08-15T15:24:55 < PaulFertser> Tectu: thanks for the link! 2013-08-15T15:25:13 <+dekar> PaulFertser, it's a slightly patched, yet still using double. Performance didn't really matter to me. 2013-08-15T15:25:25 < Tectu> PaulFertser, welcome ;-) 2013-08-15T15:28:31 < PaulFertser> dekar: i see 2013-08-15T15:37:58 -!- Joker_ [d5f22ebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.46.188] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T15:48:53 < qyx_> weird, if i compile my code for f303 with -mcpu=cortex-m4, casting float to int causes unhandled exception 2013-08-15T15:49:09 < qyx_> if i use -mcpu=cortex-m3 everything works at least with soft float 2013-08-15T15:50:03 < jpa-> the FPU needs to be enabled by your startup code 2013-08-15T15:50:43 < qyx_> i just grabbed chibios f3 demo 2013-08-15T15:50:53 < qyx_> i am going to check that 2013-08-15T15:51:07 < jpa-> maybe there is something in mcuconf.h or something 2013-08-15T15:54:09 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.127.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-15T16:04:57 -!- Joker_ [d5f22ebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.46.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-15T16:14:43 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-15T16:17:05 <+Steffanx> zyp, your github identicon is best: https://identicons.github.com/zyp.png :P 2013-08-15T16:17:18 < zyp> wat 2013-08-15T16:17:37 <+Steffanx> https://github.com/blog/1586-identicons 2013-08-15T16:18:16 < zyp> oh 2013-08-15T16:19:25 <+Steffanx> At least, only when you also see a skull in that. 2013-08-15T16:19:46 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T16:29:21 < Tectu> jpa-, what was that GDB command from a few weeks ago to get some raw memory and place it in a binary file on the host computer? 2013-08-15T16:32:02 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T16:32:30 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@142.177.90.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-15T16:32:35 <+dekar> My toolchain generates "vmulne.f64" and the like, does the F4 natively support double? It seems to work fine. 2013-08-15T16:37:39 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-15T16:38:51 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T16:46:51 < zyp> that doesn't sound right 2013-08-15T16:47:45 < zyp> according to http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.dui0553a/CHDHFGFD.html you only have vmul{cond}.f32 2013-08-15T16:48:41 < zyp> do you compile with -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 ? 2013-08-15T16:52:02 <+dekar> yeah 2013-08-15T16:59:13 <+dekar> I've put some double math at the top of my main and it also generates vmulcc.f64 and vmuleq.f64 instructions. The firmware runs fine O.o 2013-08-15T17:19:39 < jpa-> Tectu: the one that you can find pretty easily on google 2013-08-15T17:20:07 < Tectu> jpa-, dump binary memory... yes... but my memory tells me that it was another one, not 'dump' 2013-08-15T17:21:21 < jpa-> why would there be many commands for the same thing? 2013-08-15T17:22:28 < zyp> usually because nobody can agree on what the best way to do something is 2013-08-15T17:22:49 < jpa-> maybe :) 2013-08-15T17:26:35 < Tectu> so is it common that pinouts are given as a .xsl or is that something that only lattice does? 2013-08-15T17:27:05 < jpa-> uh.. xsl? 2013-08-15T17:27:12 < jpa-> xml style sheet.. for data..? 2013-08-15T17:27:30 < Tectu> .xls* 2013-08-15T17:27:37 < Tectu> the microsoft excel spread sheet thing 2013-08-15T17:27:42 < jpa-> some manufacturers do that, some don't 2013-08-15T17:27:44 < jpa-> some do xml 2013-08-15T17:28:21 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-7-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-15T17:28:36 < Tectu> is there any advantage I can take from that? 2013-08-15T17:29:20 -!- Joker_ [d5f22ebc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.46.188] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T17:29:23 <+Steffanx> That the kind of advice you to use windows? 2013-08-15T17:30:00 < jpa-> Tectu: you could generate symbols automatically? 2013-08-15T17:30:07 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-15T17:31:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T17:32:48 <+Steffanx> They really have no pinout in a datasheet Tectu? 2013-08-15T17:33:21 < Tectu> Steffanx, not at all :) 2013-08-15T17:42:24 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-91-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T17:42:51 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-91-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-15T17:43:09 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-91-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T17:47:43 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T17:47:43 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-15T17:47:43 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T17:55:10 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-15T18:13:14 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T18:19:13 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T18:21:45 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-91-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-15T18:24:43 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-188-107-173-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-15T18:29:51 -!- Wipster [~Wip@host81-137-80-202.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T18:33:14 < Wipster> good afternoon all, Im having issues with interfacing an LCD to my F4 using the FSMC (that ol chestnut) on my custom board. I am pretty confident that I am using the right address range for command and data and the pins should be mapped correctly, however when I attempt to read the ID of the LCD controller (R61505W) I get 0 2013-08-15T18:34:10 < Wipster> Any ideas what could I be overlooking, or gotchas to lookout for? 2013-08-15T18:37:56 < jpa-> measure the RS pin with oscilloscope or logic analyzer and make sure it toggles 2013-08-15T18:38:15 < jpa-> and same for RD & other important pins, just to make sure you have all bank & pin assignments correct 2013-08-15T18:43:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-15T19:03:37 < Wipster> jpa-, thanks just checked the RS and it is indeed toggling, however there is an overshoot of about 0.8V it seems 2013-08-15T19:08:14 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T19:11:44 < jpa-> Wipster: well i wouldn't worry about that for now 2013-08-15T19:12:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-15T19:13:32 <+Steffanx> meh, one cannot live without github anymore.. its down :( 2013-08-15T19:13:47 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T19:14:32 < jpa-> just run git on your own machine :) 2013-08-15T19:15:03 <+Steffanx> I need some random repo :) 2013-08-15T19:15:26 < jpa-> just rewrite it 2013-08-15T19:15:33 < jpa-> all open sores is crap anyways 2013-08-15T19:16:01 <+Steffanx> Yeah i know, but .. 2013-08-15T19:16:46 <+Steffanx> That's why you open sores everything you make jpa-? So you can just say it's crap? 2013-08-15T19:17:04 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T19:17:41 <+Steffanx> That would be too bad. As most of it is nice :) 2013-08-15T19:18:18 < jpa-> Steffanx: well it is crap, so i open sore it 2013-08-15T19:18:32 < jpa-> but i make crap at work too and they don't let me open sore that 2013-08-15T19:20:11 * Steffanx waits for it... 2013-08-15T19:25:42 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.47.81] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T19:25:45 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-15T19:27:22 < Wipster> So RS is high for 280ns ish, and NE1 is toggling also, so atleast I am acessing the right memory area 2013-08-15T19:28:08 < Wipster> I think my timing might be way off 2013-08-15T19:32:33 < Wipster> I am operating in mode A, extended and my timings at the mo are the same and large, Aset 15, Ahold 0, Dset 15, Turnaround 1 for both read and write at the mo 2013-08-15T19:34:21 < Wipster> well I shall come back to this tomorrow, something to go on at least, thanks jpa- 2013-08-15T19:35:48 < Tectu> now... that's a readme... https://github.com/metasepi/chibios-arafura 2013-08-15T19:37:01 < Laurenceb> Let's try to rewrite ChibiOS/RT using Haskell and Ajhc compiler. 2013-08-15T19:37:04 < Laurenceb> or maybe.... 2013-08-15T19:37:07 < Laurenceb> lets not 2013-08-15T19:37:49 < Laurenceb> it says failing at the top so it must be right 2013-08-15T19:38:33 -!- BrainDamage1 [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T19:38:37 <+dekar> zyp, ofc the .f64 stuff wasn't actually there. I've used "objdump -D" (instead of -d) which resulted in disassembled data sections :/ 2013-08-15T19:38:44 -!- Wipster [~Wip@host81-137-80-202.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-15T19:39:01 < zyp> ah, I suspected incorrect disassembly might be the case 2013-08-15T19:39:16 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@ip-46-232-150-138.static.adsl.cheapnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-15T19:43:39 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-15T19:45:06 < Laurenceb> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/08/15/1359248/studying-the-slow-decay-of-a-laptop-battery-for-an-entire-year 2013-08-15T19:45:09 < Laurenceb> lol crapple 2013-08-15T19:48:15 < jpa-> apple's fault, clearly 2013-08-15T19:53:09 < emeb> better yet, those batteries are glued in. 2013-08-15T19:58:28 <+Steffanx> Isn't Laurenceb more into science? 2013-08-15T19:58:36 <+Steffanx> That test doesn't look very scientific. 2013-08-15T19:58:52 < Laurenceb> trolling 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2013-08-16T02:22:01 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T02:33:22 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T02:38:26 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T02:40:00 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-16T03:01:22 < dongs> lol 2013-08-16T03:01:25 < dongs> TI sent my shit 2013-08-16T03:01:27 < dongs> by fedex 2013-08-16T03:01:27 < dongs> nice 2013-08-16T03:08:49 < englishman> they rock for samples 2013-08-16T03:09:19 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-16T03:09:31 < dongs> yeah but these are $20/chip samples 2013-08-16T03:09:33 < dongs> and i got 6 2013-08-16T03:10:01 < dongs> LMH0074SQE/NOPB + LMH0031VS/NOPB 2013-08-16T03:11:07 < englishman> yep thats what makes them good :-) 2013-08-16T03:15:50 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@5.86.57.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-16T03:18:09 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T03:32:05 < dongs> http://eproductalert.com/digitaledition/usb/2011/Engineers%20Guide%20to%20USB%20Technologies%20Death%20Taxes%20and%20USB.pdf 2013-08-16T03:32:08 < dongs> waht 2013-08-16T03:37:36 -!- l4cr0ss [~l4cr0ss@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T03:48:49 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T04:05:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-16T04:19:14 < dongs> why no chat 2013-08-16T04:19:37 < dongs> Intel (NASDAQ: INTC) is a world leader in computing innovation. The company designs and builds the essential technologies that serve as the foundation for the world’s computing devices. Additional information about Intel is available at newsroom.intel.com and blogs.intel.com. 2013-08-16T04:20:46 < dongs> this is hilarious 2013-08-16T04:20:52 < dongs> a guy was sending me shit by DHL from U.S. 2013-08-16T04:21:04 < dongs> they lost the label that was on the package eventhou he taped it 2013-08-16T04:21:14 < dongs> so they open teh box and were looking for some way to find the address based on documents inside. 2013-08-16T04:21:26 < dongs> there was a digikey invoice tehre, so they got smart and thought "lets send this shit to d igikey" 2013-08-16T04:21:49 < dongs> so yesterday the guy calls digikey returns department and yep, my shit is sitting there and they're wondering why the fuck they have it 2013-08-16T04:48:55 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-16T04:58:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T05:00:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T05:02:35 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T05:08:52 -!- l4cr0ss [~l4cr0ss@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-16T05:20:37 < emeb> quiet here tonight 2013-08-16T05:22:30 -!- l4cr0ss [~l4cr0ss@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T05:23:50 < inca_> yeah... I ditched the stm for TI 2013-08-16T05:24:20 < inca_> less to complain about in ##stm32 land 2013-08-16T05:24:24 < inca_> =) 2013-08-16T05:24:34 < dongs> ha ha 2013-08-16T05:24:35 < dongs> is that ajoke 2013-08-16T05:24:46 < dongs> is tehre a TI part thats even remotely comparable to STM? 2013-08-16T05:25:01 < dongs> last i chcked they only had shit with pretty crap peripherals 2013-08-16T05:25:22 < inca_> AM3359 2013-08-16T05:25:29 < inca_> ARM Cortex A 2013-08-16T05:25:40 < inca_> it runs linux 2013-08-16T05:25:46 < dongs> oh. 2013-08-16T05:25:48 < dongs> so its shit 2013-08-16T05:25:53 < inca_> and it just works 2013-08-16T05:26:05 < inca_> I plug it in... and it just works 2013-08-16T05:26:19 < dongs> 324NFBGA um.. 2013-08-16T05:26:24 < dongs> how about no|? 2013-08-16T05:26:50 < inca_> anyway, the tcp/ip stack is up... the project software is done... time to spin the hardware 2013-08-16T05:27:20 < dongs> sama5 looks interesting 2013-08-16T05:27:26 < dongs> its A5 and no lunix 2013-08-16T05:27:50 < inca_> as far as reliability goes, I have no idea what the MTTF is for Cortex A Linux crap or Cortex M RTOS crap 2013-08-16T05:27:53 < dongs> i mean it COULD do lunix but at least its not required 2013-08-16T05:28:36 < inca_> honestly, I don't care for linux... but the shit does work out of the box, which is a definite software development value 2013-08-16T05:32:23 < dongs> ok what the hell is this stuff 2013-08-16T05:32:45 < dongs> 3-level select inputs are used for static configuration. They are ternary (not binary) inputs that make use of non-standard logic levels of LOW, MID, and HIGH. The 2013-08-16T05:32:48 < dongs> LOW level is usually implemented by direct connection to VSS (ground). The HIGH level is usually implemented by direct connection to VCC (power). When not 2013-08-16T05:32:51 < dongs> connected or allowed to float, a 3-level select input will self-bias to the MID level. 2013-08-16T05:33:09 < dongs> sounds like shit's asking for trouble 2013-08-16T05:33:58 < inca_> tri-state buffer is pretty common 2013-08-16T05:34:20 < inca_> at least they were when I was going to school... I didn't pay much attention to digital class 2013-08-16T05:34:51 < gxti> sounds like a waste of silicon 2013-08-16T05:35:39 < inca_> can't really say much about that after seeing the multi-thousand page reference manuals (which are not all inclusive) of any Cortex M device out there 2013-08-16T05:35:50 < inca_> Silicon is sand... plenty of it 2013-08-16T05:36:07 < inca_> I think it's the Earth's most common mineral 2013-08-16T05:36:09 < gxti> making silicon do useful stuff is really expensive 2013-08-16T05:36:38 < inca_> yeah well tell me where people use 100% of any ARM chip and I'll mail you cookies 2013-08-16T05:41:57 < dongs> inca_: um, just because you can dumb it the fuck down with lunix doesn't mean thats the proper solution 2013-08-16T05:42:24 -!- l4cr0ss_ [~l4cr0ss@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T05:42:59 < inca_> dongs: it does mean that the hardware works and that you can scrape the driver code and run baremetal much more easily than baremetal bring up with the clusterfuck of tools out there now 2013-08-16T05:43:27 < dongs> well, you might be referring to opensores tools ? :) 2013-08-16T05:43:31 < inca_> also, Cortex M is second class citizen in the compiler toolchain world... gdb has bugs in it which were solved 2 years ago in linaro land 2013-08-16T05:44:10 < dongs> so your problem is gdb, not cortex - m 2013-08-16T05:44:10 < inca_> if you are doing low volume, it doesn't make sense to purchase MDK or others 2013-08-16T05:44:38 -!- l4cr0ss [~l4cr0ss@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-16T05:45:32 < inca_> I don't have a problem with proprietary tools... I just don't get to use them on this project because the client is running a smaller batch than it really makes sense for 9k worth of licensing and tools 2013-08-16T05:46:29 < inca_> and I do not do ARM dev for more than 20% of my work, so there it is... the guys who did the hardware and delivered it couldn't even program the board they delivered 2013-08-16T05:47:16 < inca_> I signed on to do an ethernet driver, because I'd done that before, and it tool a lot longer than my original quote. 2013-08-16T05:48:04 < inca_> I have most of it done on Cortex-M, but the client doesn't really trust it as a high reliabiliy solution. 2013-08-16T05:50:11 < inca_> so while the ARM tools are neat, it's nothing quite like powering up, booting the embedded linux in < 10 seconds, remoting in to a terminal, and then doing the POSIX thing to make your hardware do what you want (echo, cat blah > /dev/stuff) 2013-08-16T05:54:20 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-16T05:54:25 < dongs> sure if you dont give a fuck about half a second latency to do that 2013-08-16T05:54:26 < dongs> of course 2013-08-16T05:54:58 < dongs> by the time that cat goes through 20 abstraction layers of "everything is a fucking file" and gets to the kernel driver written by some 13 year old with no clue who just copypasted some other 13 years olds' driver code. yeah. 2013-08-16T05:55:00 * inca_ shrugs... there are ways to set interupts and triggers via the sysfs crap 2013-08-16T05:55:33 < emeb> inca_: beaglebone? 2013-08-16T05:55:46 < dongs> no he linked the shit 2013-08-16T05:55:51 < dongs> < inca_> AM3359 2013-08-16T05:55:54 < inca_> emeb: yes 2013-08-16T05:56:04 < dongs> oh is that the beagleboner cpu? 2013-08-16T05:56:05 < inca_> dongs: that is the SoC on BBB 2013-08-16T05:56:07 < dongs> oic 2013-08-16T05:56:08 < dongs> kk 2013-08-16T05:56:15 < dongs> i thought it was some TMS*wahtever crap 2013-08-16T05:56:16 < dongs> DSP 2013-08-16T05:56:17 < dongs> oh well 2013-08-16T05:56:24 < inca_> =) 2013-08-16T05:57:10 < gxti> speaking of which the beagleboner audio cape went out of stock on digikey for like 2 months now, and the restock date passed by a week. now it looks like they just moved the restock date to september. 2013-08-16T05:57:27 < emeb> I've been playing w/ bbb for a while. Pretty nice. Good price. 2013-08-16T05:57:40 < gxti> not that i really needed it or anything, just wanted to grab one on my next dk order 2013-08-16T05:57:56 < emeb> gxti: does beagleboardtoys have them? 2013-08-16T05:58:14 < inca_> emeb: just a month here. It is the least pain I have suffered to toggle my blinky LED both in code and just to exercise the hardware. =) 2013-08-16T05:58:18 < gxti> i haven't bothered looking. since i need a dk order before september i guess i'll have to. 2013-08-16T05:59:01 < gxti> heh, i put some headers in my cart a few days ago and now they're out of stock too 2013-08-16T06:00:05 < emeb> *eyeroll* 2013-08-16T06:00:20 < emeb> gxti: http://show.boardzoo.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=102 2013-08-16T06:00:43 < dongs> Note: Not Compatible With BB BLACK 2013-08-16T06:00:46 < dongs> isnt that waht he has 2013-08-16T06:00:59 < gxti> that's what i was going to get. wonder why it says that. 2013-08-16T06:01:03 < inca_> sleep time. night, folks! 2013-08-16T06:01:35 < emeb> gxti: BBB has an HDMI serializer onboard that uses the same I2S port 2013-08-16T06:01:49 < gxti> oh right, we discussed this already 2013-08-16T06:02:16 < gxti> not an issue if hdmi is off? 2013-08-16T06:02:39 < emeb> Not sure. It might work. 2013-08-16T06:03:02 < emeb> would probably be some DeviceTree hacking involved though. 2013-08-16T06:03:22 < emeb> and I am not familiar enough with that to know if it's possible. 2013-08-16T06:03:46 < emeb> gxti: you only need output right? no audio in? 2013-08-16T06:04:05 < gxti> right 2013-08-16T06:04:45 < emeb> right, so IIRC our earlier conversation the main challenge is to get a good MCLK for whatever DAC you choose. 2013-08-16T06:05:11 < emeb> the rest of the I2S signals you need are there - DO/SCLK/FSEL 2013-08-16T06:06:46 < emeb> the AM335x has an HCLK output available, so it's just a matter of enabling it. More driver hacking required. 2013-08-16T06:08:11 < gxti> are you still talking about the cape, or something custom? 2013-08-16T06:08:44 < emeb> something custom 2013-08-16T06:09:16 < emeb> the cape has its own MCLK oscillator - I think that it acts as an I2S master 2013-08-16T06:09:33 < emeb> that may be why it's incompatible with the BBB - the BBB wants to be master. 2013-08-16T06:10:20 < gxti> but it's capable of being a slave, i remember going through the RM 2013-08-16T06:10:26 < emeb> yeah 2013-08-16T06:10:33 < gxti> firmware munging is fine by me 2013-08-16T06:11:15 < gxti> it would be nice if hdmi still worked but i won't lose much sleep over that either 2013-08-16T06:11:38 < dongs> bonerrrr 2013-08-16T06:11:52 < emeb> wouldn't surprise me if it's doable. 2013-08-16T06:11:57 < emeb> with enough pain 2013-08-16T06:22:10 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-highlights/en/tck10xg-load-switch-ics/50225 2013-08-16T06:22:11 < dongs> wats this 2013-08-16T06:22:40 < gxti> a URL 2013-08-16T06:23:12 < emeb> just what it says - high-side power switch 2013-08-16T06:23:26 < dongs> so its like a fet but in unusable package/ 2013-08-16T06:23:31 < emeb> put in-line between your ckt that needs VCC and the main system VCC. 2013-08-16T06:23:39 < emeb> has nice digital compatible control input. 2013-08-16T06:23:56 < emeb> yeak - a fet with driver logic built in 2013-08-16T06:24:02 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-16T06:24:06 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T06:24:20 < emeb> those balls look huge 2013-08-16T06:25:06 < dongs> totally 2013-08-16T06:25:09 < emeb> so I was helping a buddy today. Couldn't program things with his F4-Disco. 2013-08-16T06:25:35 < emeb> Took mine over - worked fine. 2013-08-16T06:25:53 < emeb> Somehow he managed to cook the 22ohm resistor in the SWCLK line. 2013-08-16T06:26:16 < emeb> now reads > 600k 2013-08-16T06:26:27 < dongs> haha 2013-08-16T06:26:28 < dongs> nice 2013-08-16T06:26:51 < emeb> 0402 parts - I don't have any so it'll have to wait. 2013-08-16T06:28:33 < emeb> http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/8/12/14/enhanced-buzz-14080-1376333274-5.jpg 2013-08-16T06:31:01 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T06:32:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-16T06:35:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T06:36:40 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T06:39:52 < R2COM> unrouted: http://i.imgur.com/GGipKBZ.png 2013-08-16T06:40:05 < R2COM> after 4 mins of autorouting: http://i.imgur.com/xAphAlt.png 2013-08-16T06:40:23 < R2COM> finalized: http://i.imgur.com/waPthgX.png 2013-08-16T06:40:31 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/851328498/illumoscopetm-upgrade-your-iphones-capabilities?ref=category 2013-08-16T06:40:39 < dongs> not gonna go as successful as scambox 2013-08-16T06:44:45 -!- l4cr0ss_ [~l4cr0ss@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-16T06:44:53 -!- BrainDamage [~yaaic@217.200.185.250] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T06:45:13 -!- BrainDamage [~yaaic@217.200.185.250] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-16T06:47:01 < R2COM> "Kids love the Illumoscope!  " <--- he tries to make a copy 2013-08-16T06:47:16 < R2COM> smart guy, copies 5$, not 100$ 2013-08-16T06:48:13 < R2COM> boring 2013-08-16T06:48:19 < R2COM> bring on something more interesting 2013-08-16T06:50:17 < dongs> that shit is $100? 2013-08-16T06:50:34 < R2COM> not sure 2013-08-16T06:50:53 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gavn8r/geek-a-new-usb-awesomifier-for-headphones?ref=category 2013-08-16T06:50:56 < dongs> ??? 2013-08-16T06:51:26 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/796/023/545d66d0ce17971ad59c2c1d46abd769_large.jpg?1375389734 2013-08-16T06:51:32 < dongs> of course, plugged into a fucking fagbook 2013-08-16T06:51:47 < dongs> GEEK takes a lot of the technology we developed when we were researching Da Vinci DAC, and squeezes it into one tiny little package that we plan on selling for $299 retail. Stick it into your laptop and plug in your headphones! 2013-08-16T06:51:52 < dongs> $300??? 2013-08-16T06:51:52 < dongs> holy fucking highway robbery 2013-08-16T06:52:01 < dongs> $10 in parts on that pcb, max 2013-08-16T06:53:49 < dongs> We're using the TI PCM1795 DAC IC. 2013-08-16T06:53:58 < R2COM> so? 2013-08-16T06:54:00 < dongs> ha ha 2013-08-16T06:55:02 < dongs> Would it be better to use the micro-B USB connector, like these in the smartphones? Given the size of the device, I think most people would like to connect it to the laptop via a USB cable. With the micro-B connector, there is absolutely no concern of accidentally bending the connector. It is also much easier to carry around. Thank you. 2013-08-16T06:55:03 < gxti> they used red capacitors though, that alone makes it worth like a billion dollars 2013-08-16T06:55:07 < dongs> haha 2013-08-16T06:55:15 < dongs> some chinaman trying to scam them into having to ship out replacements daily 2013-08-16T06:55:57 < dongs> Heiu - Yes, that TI IC is rated at 192K, but our proprietary implementation takes it comfortably to 384. 2013-08-16T06:55:58 < R2COM> its not "billion" bucks cap. 2013-08-16T06:56:00 < dongs> oh gfawd 2013-08-16T06:56:01 < dongs> emeb_mac: beeep 2013-08-16T06:56:07 < R2COM> just another Nichicon cap 2013-08-16T06:56:17 < emeb_mac> dongs: huh? 2013-08-16T06:56:20 < dongs> yea man! 2013-08-16T06:56:27 < dongs> overclocking 2009 tech to 384k 2013-08-16T06:56:33 < dongs> you heard it on dickstarter first 2013-08-16T06:56:40 < dongs> < dongs> We're using the TI PCM1795 DAC IC. 2013-08-16T06:56:48 < dongs> i guess they're talking about its max 192k sample rate 2013-08-16T06:56:54 < dongs> and making it 384k. 2013-08-16T06:56:56 < dongs> or something. 2013-08-16T06:57:45 < dongs> And possibly, undocumented in TI PCM1795, but supported - like PCM384K, DSD256 playback? 2013-08-16T06:57:46 < R2COM> dongs: put some of your trash on dickstarter 2013-08-16T06:57:49 < dongs> haha 2013-08-16T06:58:58 < emeb_mac> lawdy 2013-08-16T06:59:23 < emeb_mac> well PT Barnum said it best - one born every minute and two to skin 'em. 2013-08-16T07:01:01 < R2COM> DONGS PLEDGED ONE MILLION DOLLAR IN 2 DAYS! 2013-08-16T07:01:16 < dongs> R2COM: none of my trash is for 1) tarduino 2) shitberry pi 3) iphone 4) macos 2013-08-16T07:01:23 < dongs> which is the only shit that ever succeeds on dickstarter 2013-08-16T07:01:53 < R2COM> hm why? is it because its in some way heavily supported by mac etc? 2013-08-16T07:01:56 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/203272607/gnustep-project?ref=category haha what 2013-08-16T07:02:50 < R2COM> now you need to kick in money for that one, for sure. 2013-08-16T07:03:28 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/374397522/apngasm-foss-animated-png-tools-and-apng-standardi 2013-08-16T07:03:55 < R2COM> apngasm 2013-08-16T07:05:24 < R2COM> I thought there might be some ideas about missile weapons, but my search returned this: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1509991163/kiss-kiss-missiles?ref=live 2013-08-16T07:05:30 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/558452768/ledgoes noooo 2013-08-16T07:05:42 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-16T07:06:42 < R2COM> and now, its gym time 2013-08-16T07:07:48 < gxti> fancy headers on that thing 2013-08-16T07:08:09 < dongs> dualcore mega168 2013-08-16T07:08:11 < dongs> holy shit 2013-08-16T07:08:12 < dongs> amazing 2013-08-16T07:09:48 < dongs> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm/ this project needs to die 2013-08-16T07:10:03 < dongs> i wanna donate negative -1000$ to it 2013-08-16T07:11:25 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XC2C128-7CP132C/XC2C128-7CP132C-ND/3981389 i didnt know coolrunner cam in SOT23-5 package 2013-08-16T07:17:05 < ds2> sigh... that is such a waste 2013-08-16T07:18:29 < dongs> nice 2013-08-16T07:18:33 < dongs> just got a call from sat phone 2013-08-16T07:19:09 < ds2> is that to get you targeted for an ICBM? 2013-08-16T07:19:17 < dongs> Global Mobile Satellite System providers, such as Iridium, issue numbers in country code +881 ("Global Mobile Satellite System") 2013-08-16T07:19:26 < dongs> number was prety long 2013-08-16T07:19:36 < dongs> latency was surprisingly low too 2013-08-16T07:22:21 < dongs> im trying to figure out if xilinx has some cplds that suck less than coolrunner 2013-08-16T07:22:30 < dongs> hmthey dont 2013-08-16T07:22:33 < dongs> packages on coolrunner really fuckign suck 2013-08-16T07:22:38 < dongs> hmm 2013-08-16T07:23:44 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-16T07:24:49 -!- l4cr0ss [~l4cr0ss@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T07:26:15 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T07:26:17 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-16T07:28:24 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T07:30:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-16T07:42:24 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-16T07:49:22 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-20-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-16T07:54:26 -!- l4cr0ss [~l4cr0ss@unaffiliated/l4cr0ss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-16T08:01:09 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T08:30:58 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: and like that, he's gone] 2013-08-16T08:37:47 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T08:59:09 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T09:00:12 < R2COM> so whast up here 2013-08-16T09:00:15 < R2COM> DONGIUS! 2013-08-16T09:01:10 < dongs> wasting time on useless shit 2013-08-16T09:01:54 < R2COM> fun 2013-08-16T09:09:59 < PaulFertser> dongs: do you mean you're trying to use some "opensauce" software again? 2013-08-16T09:10:59 < dongs> no, worse 2013-08-16T09:11:04 < dongs> wasting time assembling shit like a chinaman 2013-08-16T09:11:50 < jef79m> is it purple? 2013-08-16T09:12:08 < PaulFertser> At least you do it properly and the shit will work; no kidding, seeing manual china assembly is so disturbing. 2013-08-16T09:12:36 < dongs> jef79m: nope. 2013-08-16T09:33:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T10:07:30 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.160.166.118] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T10:08:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-16T10:10:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T10:32:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T10:33:42 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T10:36:51 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-16T10:45:05 -!- Wipster [~Wip@host81-137-80-202.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T10:55:24 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T11:00:14 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-16T11:03:01 -!- Guest64239 is now known as Luggi09 2013-08-16T11:15:45 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-16T11:16:39 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T11:18:08 < dongs> holy shit 2013-08-16T11:18:21 < dongs> http://www.lightharmonic.com/davinci.html 2013-08-16T11:18:39 < dongs> Automatic LSB Correction 2013-08-16T11:18:39 < dongs> As research advanced, we confronted the Least Significant Bit (LSB) extension error, a problem that plagues every currently available DAC. LSB is a mathematical error affecting 16- and 24-bit digital files that causes a mismatch of up to three percent in every note. Da Vinci solves this with new and proprietary technology that automatically corrects each music sample. 2013-08-16T11:22:11 < R2COM> noted 2013-08-16T11:23:26 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-16T11:25:04 < dongs> http://www.lightharmonic.com/images/galleries/da_vinci_dac/Da_Vinci_020_Black.jpg lol 2013-08-16T11:25:07 < dongs> is that a fucking relay 2013-08-16T11:38:47 < zyp> heh 2013-08-16T11:40:43 < zyp> usual hifi bullshittery 2013-08-16T11:43:32 < dongs> zyp, your trash shipped 2013-08-16T11:43:50 < dongs> bad news tho, all of 303's were used up. they just assembled some led trash last week or something that used all we had. 2013-08-16T11:44:06 < dongs> so pickup from digikey or etc. 2013-08-16T11:45:11 < dongs> While designing the highest speed USB DAC on the market (Da Vinci DAC), Larry Ho found that the USB cable was one of the weakest links in many computer-based front-ends. By isolating the USB power, re-clocking the signal, and buffering it with our patent-pending 3 layer buffer, Larry minimized the cable's effect. Even so, bit-perfection of the digital signal and original precise timing was often lost by the USB cable. How to fix it? Engineer a bet 2013-08-16T11:45:37 < dongs> how much bandwidth does '328khz/24bit' PCM really need 2013-08-16T11:45:48 < dongs> pretty sure that's well within USB1.1 speed limits. 2013-08-16T11:46:29 < zyp> dongs, oh, ok 2013-08-16T11:47:24 < zyp> got a tracking number? 2013-08-16T11:51:05 < zyp> 328 kHz? wtf. 2013-08-16T11:54:20 < zyp> and no, 328kHz * 24bit * 2 channels is like 16 Mb/s 2013-08-16T12:01:40 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.130.201] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T12:05:16 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.4] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T12:07:15 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-125-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T12:36:47 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T12:46:31 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.130.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-16T13:21:06 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.160.166.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-16T13:45:50 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T13:49:31 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-16T13:51:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T14:02:03 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-125-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-16T14:02:39 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T14:18:17 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2.156.125.111] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T14:24:45 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T14:25:56 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T14:26:40 < dongs> We tested dozens of "high-end" USB cables and found that many can't achieve the 480Mbps bandwidth requirement of the USB 2.0 high speed standard! Even worse, signal integrity is often damaged by the noise in the power leg of the cable. 2013-08-16T14:32:17 < jpa-> i have had a bunch of chinese USB cables with 1 ohm end-to-end resistance :P 2013-08-16T14:32:25 < qyx_> i ordered $5 china 4 channel usb grabber and they packed usb extension cable with it 2013-08-16T14:32:39 < qyx_> which was like 2mm in diameter, usb2 2013-08-16T14:34:35 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-16T14:37:27 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T14:39:28 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-16T14:39:39 < zyp> oh, fuck 2013-08-16T14:39:44 < zyp> «viewed from soldening side» 2013-08-16T14:39:49 < dongs> uh oh 2013-08-16T14:39:54 < dongs> what did you fuck up? 2013-08-16T14:40:01 < dongs> your connector breakout? 2013-08-16T14:40:02 < zyp> xh connectors on the second board 2013-08-16T14:40:03 < zyp> yep 2013-08-16T14:40:09 < jpa-> classic 2013-08-16T14:40:14 < dongs> i guess youre gonna snip that pin 2013-08-16T14:40:33 < zyp> yeah, either that or just mount connectors on reverse side 2013-08-16T14:40:33 < dongs> the orienting shit 2013-08-16T14:40:44 < dongs> that'll work? 2013-08-16T14:40:48 < dongs> wasnt the pin offset? 2013-08-16T14:40:56 < dongs> so upside down it'll be in wrong place too 2013-08-16T14:41:26 < zyp> no, it'll be right 2013-08-16T14:41:32 < dongs> mkay 2013-08-16T14:41:37 < dongs> probly better upside down 2013-08-16T14:41:40 < dongs> or else youll nee dto remake cables 2013-08-16T14:41:44 < dongs> after you fix the fuckup 2013-08-16T14:41:54 < zyp> no, it's the same either way 2013-08-16T14:42:29 < zyp> the pin is on the right end of the connector, but on the wrong side of the center line 2013-08-16T14:44:08 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T14:45:55 < zyp> only problem is that the obvious order of the buttons would be reversed 2013-08-16T14:51:56 < dongs> hm 2013-08-16T14:52:12 < dongs> this ti trash outouts 750 mVpp 2013-08-16T14:52:32 < dongs> cypress expects 420mVpp 2013-08-16T14:52:51 < dongs> and can only be configured lower 2013-08-16T14:53:29 < dongs> The SDO and SDO outputs are internally loaded with 50.. They produce a 750 mVP-P differential output, or a 2013-08-16T14:53:32 < dongs> 375 mVP-P single-ended output. 2013-08-16T14:53:35 < dongs> single ended? 2013-08-16T14:56:28 < dongs> huh wtf the old gennum part tghey recomend is also 750 2013-08-16T15:05:24 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-16T15:07:40 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-16T15:08:48 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.175] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T15:11:22 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-16T15:15:03 < dongs> where the fuck is emeb 2013-08-16T15:15:07 < dongs> he missed $20k DAC trolling 2013-08-16T15:15:59 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2.156.125.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-16T15:16:12 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T15:24:37 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2.156.125.111] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T15:27:00 < Laurenceb> trollintrollintrollin 2013-08-16T15:27:03 < Laurenceb> RAWHIDE 2013-08-16T15:27:45 <+Steffanx> Yes Sir. 2013-08-16T15:34:59 < zyp> dongs, do you have a tracking number? 2013-08-16T15:35:05 < dongs> i do 2013-08-16T15:35:09 < dongs> is in the car. 2013-08-16T15:35:12 < dongs> do i have to go get it 2013-08-16T15:35:17 < zyp> no hurry 2013-08-16T15:37:55 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-08-16T15:39:11 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-16T16:05:00 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2.156.125.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-16T16:06:04 < Wipster> jpa-, I wonder if you could look at this trace for the FSMC I am using. http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5825/dop5.png I have tweaked the settings untill it just about conforms to the timings of the R61505W, the min RD high and low times are huge and Im having a hard time meeting them. 2013-08-16T16:08:56 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@5.86.168.234] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T16:14:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T16:16:26 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T16:19:53 < jpa-> Wipster: hmm i'm leaving now for the weekend 2013-08-16T16:21:29 < Wipster> ok noworries, have a nice weekend 2013-08-16T16:27:00 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-16T16:32:18 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@5.86.168.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-16T16:36:02 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@176.206.81.189] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T16:43:19 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.126.51] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T16:47:44 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Psychological_Operations_Group 2013-08-16T16:47:46 < Laurenceb> nice 2013-08-16T16:47:48 < Laurenceb> paid trolls 2013-08-16T16:51:20 <+Steffanx> Whatever 2013-08-16T16:54:47 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-56-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T16:55:01 < dongs> Laurenceb is a paid troll too. 2013-08-16T16:55:03 < dongs> except his pay is shitty 2013-08-16T16:57:07 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a83-132-166-158.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T16:57:19 < dongs> (and hes a shitty troll 2013-08-16T16:57:49 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.126.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-16T17:10:04 <+Steffanx> Paid with tax monies... 2013-08-16T17:11:04 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/16/lego_breaking_bad/ 2013-08-16T17:14:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T17:14:48 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T17:14:56 < dongs> sup professional trolls 2013-08-16T17:15:19 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2013/08/16/microcontrollers-and-node-js-naturally/ 2013-08-16T17:15:23 < Laurenceb> trollbait 2013-08-16T17:16:06 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a83-132-166-158.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-16T17:16:11 < dongs> Tessel also has some Arduino compatibility, allowing it to work with existing shields and code. 2013-08-16T17:16:15 < dongs> fucking idiots. 2013-08-16T17:16:57 < dongs> luckily i never used node.js 2013-08-16T17:17:59 < karlp> why would you go for a cortext m3 for that? 2013-08-16T17:18:24 < karlp> ok, so you get the adcs and "bare metal" woo 2013-08-16T17:18:24 < dongs> why do cypress docs suck so fuckign bad 2013-08-16T17:24:51 <+Steffanx> n 2013-08-16T17:27:48 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@176.206.81.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-16T17:37:12 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T17:37:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-16T17:38:45 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-56-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-16T17:46:17 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-16T17:49:04 -!- nighty- [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T17:54:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-16T17:54:33 -!- nighty- [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T18:03:55 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-34-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T18:07:23 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@bas1-london15-1168017428.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-16T18:09:00 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@bas1-london15-1168017428.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T18:12:26 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/VYsgP wat 2013-08-16T18:18:39 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T18:19:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/OxKFcKc.jpg 2013-08-16T18:22:04 < Laurenceb> aids huts? 2013-08-16T18:22:56 < Laurenceb> haha wtf 2013-08-16T18:24:12 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-16T18:25:08 < Posterdati> please, is it better to place __attribute__ (( __packed__ )) in the external union which contains bitfield structs or for every bitfield structs inside the union? Tx 2013-08-16T18:25:36 < zyp> ew, bitfield structs 2013-08-16T18:25:41 < zyp> better not having them at all 2013-08-16T18:36:26 < dongs> what the hell 2013-08-16T18:36:29 < dongs> yeah what he said 2013-08-16T18:36:44 < dongs> avoid bitfields like lunix on desktop 2013-08-16T18:38:54 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-16T18:39:20 < Laurenceb> trolldongs 2013-08-16T18:40:17 < Laurenceb> http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/loonix-live_2.jpg 2013-08-16T18:42:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T18:43:10 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.167.25.154] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T18:58:18 < dongs> http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/application_notes/xapp1015.pdf exciting reading 2013-08-16T19:01:43 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@94.167.25.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-16T19:02:53 -!- Wipster [~Wip@host81-137-80-202.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T19:03:42 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T19:04:23 < emeb> morning trolls 2013-08-16T19:04:34 < dongs> beeping furiously 2013-08-16T19:04:44 < emeb> what's beeping? 2013-08-16T19:05:00 < dongs> 17:18 < dongs> http://www.lightharmonic.com/davinci.html 2013-08-16T19:05:00 < dongs> 17:25 < dongs> http://www.lightharmonic.com/images/galleries/da_vinci_dac/Da_Vinci_020_Black.jpg lol 2013-08-16T19:05:46 < emeb> More trash for audiophools 2013-08-16T19:07:11 < emeb> lol: "LSB is a mathematical error affecting 16- and 24-bit digital files" 2013-08-16T19:07:22 < dongs> that whole page is full of lols 2013-08-16T19:07:36 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@5.86.80.134] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T19:09:43 < emeb> Oh my: "..Duet Engine effectively doubles low sampling rates without digitally up- or over-sampling signals or using digital filters. Instead, sophisticated aligned analog interpolation does the trick." 2013-08-16T19:10:02 < dongs> ya man 2013-08-16T19:11:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9oqT9J0.jpg everyday english for chinese 2013-08-16T19:13:50 < dongs> emeb: status of lolling liberally 2013-08-16T19:13:53 < dongs> also check the weight 2013-08-16T19:14:34 < emeb> dongs: along those lines: http://www.buzzfeed.com/nataliemorin/chinese-signs-that-got-seriously-lost-in-tranlsation 2013-08-16T19:16:46 < dongs> http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/8/12/15/enhanced-buzz-32597-1376335518-45.jpg 2013-08-16T19:16:49 < dongs> haha 2013-08-16T19:17:19 < emeb> In Russian too! 2013-08-16T19:18:59 < dongs> srs biz 2013-08-16T19:19:01 < dongs> k bedtime 2013-08-16T19:19:28 < dongs> from that xilinx appnote it sounds I can just replace my $50 collection of trash with $10 eualizer and $6 xilinx fpga 2013-08-16T19:20:04 < dongs> and it comes with sorez 2013-08-16T19:21:47 < qyx_> Da Vinci also uses the best non-phase-locked loop (PLL) clocks 2013-08-16T19:21:51 < qyx_> huh? 2013-08-16T19:22:15 < Laurenceb> http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/8/12/14/enhanced-buzz-15753-1376333693-25.jpg 2013-08-16T19:22:23 < Laurenceb> hah non pahes locked loop 2013-08-16T19:22:27 < Laurenceb> *phase 2013-08-16T19:23:38 < dongs> qyx_: its like clocks without PLL 2013-08-16T19:23:43 < dongs> CUZ U KNOW PLL CAUSES JITTER(TM) 2013-08-16T19:23:49 < dongs> which is REAL BAD FOR QUALITY AUDIO 2013-08-16T19:23:56 < Lt_Lemming> http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr05/2013/8/12/16/enhanced-buzz-30768-1376338366-12.jpg <--- wow... mucking that one up is pretty borked 2013-08-16T19:24:16 < Lt_Lemming> they translated an english saying, then translated back to english from that for some reason... 2013-08-16T19:33:44 < englishman> that shit is $12,000.... 2013-08-16T19:34:11 < englishman> no its not its $20,000 2013-08-16T19:34:13 < Laurenceb> i need a new job 2013-08-16T19:34:13 < englishman> lol 2013-08-16T19:34:17 < englishman> good for him 2013-08-16T19:34:30 < Laurenceb> true bit-perfect 384K asynchronous DAC 2013-08-16T19:34:31 < Laurenceb> wut 2013-08-16T19:35:00 < englishman> it has shunt local regulators. my life isnt complete without those. 2013-08-16T19:35:37 < Laurenceb> PCB modeling ensures that the transmission length of each digital audio signal is identical, with a maximum possible error of one one-thousandth of an inch. 2013-08-16T19:35:39 < Laurenceb> lolling 2013-08-16T19:35:56 < englishman> wow that makes monster cable look like a honest company 2013-08-16T19:39:34 -!- inca_ [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T19:41:50 -!- inca_ [~inca@cpe-173-88-167-240.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T19:56:40 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T20:03:28 < Lt_Lemming> most amusing audiophool one I have seen is the wooden volume knobs 2013-08-16T20:03:32 < Lt_Lemming> that cost $400 2013-08-16T20:03:57 <+Steffanx> i like these rice paper things more. 2013-08-16T20:04:00 <+Steffanx> foil 2013-08-16T20:04:27 <+Steffanx> or whatever it was called 2013-08-16T20:07:05 < Lt_Lemming> or the hologram stickers for the label side of the CD to make them sound better 2013-08-16T20:09:40 < qyx_> you must be kidding, cd will never sound good 2013-08-16T20:11:19 < Laurenceb> http://fsymbols.com/thumbs/83.png 2013-08-16T20:11:56 < Laurenceb> http://global3.memecdn.com/i-like-you-come-over-to-my-house-and-fuck-my-sister-wait-what-o-o_o_1016722.jpg 2013-08-16T20:13:46 < Lt_Lemming> http://imgur.com/gallery/0PI1DYH 2013-08-16T20:19:15 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.175] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T20:21:49 <+Steffanx> Why you think that is funny when you can't be sure it's photoshopped Laurenceb? 2013-08-16T20:26:28 <+Steffanx> or not photoshopped of course 2013-08-16T20:31:17 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@5.86.80.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-16T20:33:35 -!- Joker_ [d47c07b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.7.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-16T20:33:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.34.52] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T20:35:07 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@5.86.206.142] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T20:37:34 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/16/one_direction_twitterstorm/ 2013-08-16T20:37:36 < Laurenceb> lolling 2013-08-16T20:42:12 -!- Joker_ [d47c07b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.7.181] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T20:56:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-16T20:57:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T20:59:40 < Lt_Lemming> did anyone look at the Davinci "Lightspeed" USB cable...? 2013-08-16T20:59:49 < Lt_Lemming> let me show you the crazy http://www.lightharmonic.com/images/galleries/lightspeed_2/DSCF6222.jpg 2013-08-16T21:04:27 < PaulFertser> Different wires for D+, D- and Vcc, GND? 2013-08-16T21:04:35 < PaulFertser> s/wires/cables/ 2013-08-16T21:05:42 < Lt_Lemming> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZIS7IG9rFQ <--- watch that 2013-08-16T21:05:45 < Lt_Lemming> cringe hard 2013-08-16T21:05:47 < PaulFertser> But lacking ferrite 2013-08-16T21:06:10 < Lt_Lemming> lacking a basis in actual solid verifiable fact 2013-08-16T21:06:52 < zyp> oh, that's not true 2013-08-16T21:07:01 < zyp> I can say for a fact that it's bullshit :p 2013-08-16T21:08:53 < PaulFertser> What if the usb vcc is really noisy, can't it mess the data? It's differential pair, I know, but still? 2013-08-16T21:09:29 < Lt_Lemming> PaulFertser, if it was noisy enough to do that 2013-08-16T21:09:35 < Lt_Lemming> you would end up with no signal 2013-08-16T21:09:38 < zyp> if vbus is noisy, you have bigger problems 2013-08-16T21:09:45 < Lt_Lemming> digital signals are either there or they aren't 2013-08-16T21:09:59 < Lt_Lemming> you don't get "noise" on a digital signal 2013-08-16T21:10:39 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: well, if the psu is bad, and the load is varying, it can emit different noise on its outputs. Btw, i was quite surprised when i noticed audible noise from somewhere every time i switched on the second keyboard layout. 2013-08-16T21:10:40 < zyp> Lt_Lemming, that's not strictly true 2013-08-16T21:10:52 < zyp> Lt_Lemming, digital noise would be bit errors 2013-08-16T21:11:05 < Lt_Lemming> yes zyp, the signal either works or it doesn't 2013-08-16T21:11:10 < Lt_Lemming> it doesn't alter the signal 2013-08-16T21:11:18 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: guess what, it's LEDs on my keyboard that added some 20mA to the load and it was enough for me to start hearing PC PSU :) 2013-08-16T21:11:31 < Lt_Lemming> PaulFertser, that's not digital noise though 2013-08-16T21:11:45 < Lt_Lemming> that's analog noise being inductively couple to analog lines 2013-08-16T21:11:48 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: isochronous usb transfers don't care much about some frames lost. So you probably can still have it semi-operational. 2013-08-16T21:11:54 < zyp> Lt_Lemming, that's still not true 2013-08-16T21:12:09 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-16T21:12:36 < zyp> HDMI for instance is designed to cope with bit errors 2013-08-16T21:13:00 < zyp> they would just cause some garbage image data in a mostly good image 2013-08-16T21:13:58 < zyp> USB have checksums on everything, so most stuff would just result in a retransmit, isochronous however is not retransmitted so you'd lose a frame, i.e. a millisecond worth of audio 2013-08-16T21:14:43 < Lt_Lemming> it'd still need to be some incredible amount of noise on the power lines for that to happen 2013-08-16T21:14:57 < Lt_Lemming> and the splitting of the wires like that, wouldn't resolve the problem 2013-08-16T21:15:19 < zyp> true, that cable is bullshit. :) 2013-08-16T21:15:55 < Lt_Lemming> also, if you are using a powered device like that is, you don't NEED the power lines 2013-08-16T21:16:04 < Lt_Lemming> so why not just get rid of them entirely? 2013-08-16T21:16:21 < PaulFertser> Host detection by the target device. 2013-08-16T21:16:29 -!- Joker_ [d47c07b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.124.7.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-16T21:16:31 < Lt_Lemming> can be done via the data lines 2013-08-16T21:16:32 < zyp> because you want vbus to determine whether host is on or not 2013-08-16T21:16:47 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: hehe, host pulls both of them down all the time. 2013-08-16T21:17:13 -!- Joker_ [d5f22ee2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.46.226] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T21:17:15 < Lt_Lemming> true, so you try and pull them high, or leave them floating and look for a change 2013-08-16T21:17:32 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: too tricky and specs-violating i'd say. 2013-08-16T21:17:49 < PaulFertser> Lt_Lemming: in fact you must pull of them up for the host to detect device's presence. 2013-08-16T21:17:50 < zyp> spec says that D+ should be pulled high 2013-08-16T21:17:58 < zyp> (assuming FS) 2013-08-16T21:17:59 < PaulFertser> For full and high speed devices. 2013-08-16T21:18:12 < Lt_Lemming> there are still ways to do it using the data only pins that don't break the spec 2013-08-16T21:18:19 < Lt_Lemming> or heck even just looking for data on the lines 2013-08-16T21:18:35 < PaulFertser> Won't see anything ever unless you pull D up. 2013-08-16T21:19:10 < zyp> either way, leaving vbus out would really violate spec :p 2013-08-16T21:20:04 < PaulFertser> They say that their cable should be used with their own host devices, so they should rather fix their PSUs if they're problematic :) 2013-08-16T21:21:57 < Lt_Lemming> there are no host devices listed on their page.... 2013-08-16T21:22:27 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-34-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-16T21:25:33 < PaulFertser> Hm, ok, whatever; they're frauders, but who cares. 2013-08-16T21:29:35 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-16T21:33:07 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T21:41:35 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@5.86.206.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-16T22:04:47 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-34-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T22:08:05 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T22:20:54 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-16T22:34:30 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-34-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-16T22:43:32 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T22:51:26 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T23:14:19 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-98-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T23:17:29 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.126.51] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T23:33:20 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a83-132-32-86.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T23:34:42 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.126.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-16T23:49:29 < qyx_> lol that lightspeed usb cable 2013-08-16T23:49:34 < Tectu> ? 2013-08-16T23:50:05 < qyx_> 19:59 < Lt_Lemming> let me show you the crazy http://www.lightharmonic.com/images/galleries/lightspeed_2/DSCF6222.jpg 2013-08-16T23:50:20 < Lt_Lemming> yeah 2013-08-16T23:50:23 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a83-132-32-86.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T23:50:26 < Lt_Lemming> there is a worse one, gimme a minute 2013-08-16T23:50:28 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a83-132-32-86.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-16T23:50:44 < Lt_Lemming> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html 2013-08-16T23:51:40 < Tectu> huh 2013-08-16T23:51:42 < Tectu> what the hell is that 2013-08-16T23:51:55 < Tectu> (the cable thing) 2013-08-16T23:52:01 < Lt_Lemming> heh 2013-08-16T23:52:21 < Lt_Lemming> that's an audiophile grade USB cable 2013-08-16T23:52:31 < Lt_Lemming> or audiophool more correctly 2013-08-16T23:52:48 < Tectu> so it's a USB cable with a differentely colored insulation and a 20 times higher price tag? 2013-08-16T23:53:12 < Tectu> is it like these HDMI cables for 140$ per meter from Monster? 2013-08-16T23:53:21 < Tectu> but why the hell is it split? 2013-08-16T23:53:36 < Tectu> and furthermore, why is it spread 2013-08-16T23:53:39 < qyx_> You don't understand that. 2013-08-16T23:53:43 < qyx_> only they do 2013-08-16T23:54:15 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a83-132-32-86.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-16T23:54:28 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.127.159] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T23:55:00 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-16T23:55:32 < Tectu> do you? 2013-08-16T23:56:13 < qyx_> i don't like red 2013-08-16T23:56:27 < qyx_> imho red color emits too much noise 2013-08-16T23:57:11 < Tectu> http://www.lessloss.com/dfpc-series-p-213.html 2013-08-16T23:57:14 < Tectu> what the fuck is this 2013-08-16T23:57:19 < Tectu> http://www.lessloss.com/lessloss-digital-cable-p-195.html 2013-08-16T23:57:26 < gxti> still blogging about audiophools i see 2013-08-16T23:57:32 < gxti> nothing more interesting to talk about? 2013-08-16T23:57:33 < Tectu> 700$ for a 1m cable? c'mon 2013-08-16T23:58:09 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-16T23:58:52 < Lt_Lemming> nothing quite as amusing gxti 2013-08-16T23:59:13 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.127.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-16T23:59:27 < gxti> i've seen so much audiophool shit over the years that it's not even mildly amusing anymore. if anything i'm just jealous i'm not psychopathic enough to sell that kind of shit myself. --- Day changed Sat Aug 17 2013 2013-08-17T00:04:54 < Lt_Lemming> lol 2013-08-17T00:12:27 < Tectu> this does totally get into my ~/documents/quotes 2013-08-17T00:21:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.34.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-17T00:33:19 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-134-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T00:55:59 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-134-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-17T00:56:54 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-17T01:20:11 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2013-08-17T01:50:22 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.24.148] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T01:50:25 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-17T01:52:39 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T02:10:23 < dongs> sup chatspace 2013-08-17T02:11:30 < dongs> All wires exhibit some amount of electrical resistance, just as all signals passing through a wire experience attenuation (their amplitude is lowered). Hence, the shorter the length of the wire, the less the signals traveling down the wire will be lowered in amplitude. Conversely, the longer the wire, the more the signals will be lowered. All of this information can be assembled to explain why shorter digital cables sound worse. The following comp 2013-08-17T02:11:43 < dongs> Comparing two same-build digital cables (one 2m long, the other 0.5m long), the levels at which the very first reflections arrive at the cable’s output will be different. The latter cable’s first reflection will have travelled a total of 1m (0.5m x 2), the former a total of 4m (2m x 2). 2013-08-17T02:13:31 < dongs> http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html haha 2013-08-17T02:18:21 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-17T02:20:00 < englishman> i wish i had enough money to be that stupid 2013-08-17T02:23:04 < dongs> the last thing is just a box ithink 2013-08-17T02:24:52 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T02:25:00 < Luggi09> $1,323 a true bargain ^^ 2013-08-17T02:25:02 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-17T02:25:29 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T02:25:29 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-17T02:25:29 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T02:32:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T02:45:44 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-17T02:48:32 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T02:54:40 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-17T03:06:35 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T03:07:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-17T03:13:06 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-17T03:15:34 < Sync__> the hell dongs 2013-08-17T03:15:51 < Sync__> I guess the guys never heard about impedance matching 2013-08-17T03:17:54 < BrainDamage> the same guys think that blackbody radiation of ambient temperature gives somehow any relevant amount of interference in the audio bandwith 2013-08-17T03:19:04 < Sync__> yeah and that different wood enclosures have significant influence on EMC 2013-08-17T03:19:08 < emeb> erhmagerd! radiations! 2013-08-17T03:19:25 < Sync__> speaking of which, gotta repair my emc test receiver 2013-08-17T03:20:08 < ds2> for a small enough signal, thermal noise matters in the audio frequencies! 2013-08-17T03:20:31 < emeb> heh. small enough signal THAT YOU CAN'T HEAR IT. 2013-08-17T03:21:28 < BrainDamage> if your audio signal has comparable power of integrated blackbody spectrum of 300K in the 20Hz-20kHz, then you're fantastic moron and just just change jon 2013-08-17T03:21:34 < BrainDamage> job* 2013-08-17T03:22:14 < BrainDamage> not to mention, noise of resistors and active devices will swamp blackbody's background, even if both generated thermically 2013-08-17T03:22:32 < BrainDamage> also, more lulz: http://www.lessloss.com/firewall-p-196.html 2013-08-17T03:22:40 < BrainDamage> "no caps" "no coils" 2013-08-17T03:22:57 < BrainDamage> they magically change mu_0 and epsilon_0 then 2013-08-17T03:23:12 < BrainDamage> heck they even change c as conseguence 2013-08-17T03:23:15 < ds2> you can amplify it 2013-08-17T03:23:32 < BrainDamage> erhmagerd fastah than light 2013-08-17T03:23:37 < ds2> mouse opera whispers 2013-08-17T03:24:03 < BrainDamage> ds2: do you even have a bare idea how much power we're talking about? 2013-08-17T03:24:23 < ds2> why yes 2013-08-17T03:24:31 < englishman> wtf is that 2013-08-17T03:24:39 < englishman> they are just putting words together 2013-08-17T03:24:49 < englishman> words that are not common 2013-08-17T03:25:13 < englishman> but seem familiar 2013-08-17T03:25:39 < Sync__> BrainDamage: well, they could have steel coated wires in there 2013-08-17T03:25:46 < Sync__> so the skin resistance is actually higher 2013-08-17T03:25:51 < Sync__> but I seriously doubt that 2013-08-17T03:26:28 < BrainDamage> Sync__: If you notice I didn't mention anything about skin effect 2013-08-17T03:26:33 -!- Joker_ [d5f22ee2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.46.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-17T03:26:38 < BrainDamage> just that cap and inductance are there 2013-08-17T03:26:49 < BrainDamage> even if you don't put a component that says "10pf" 2013-08-17T03:26:50 < Sync__> well "skin filtering" 2013-08-17T03:27:20 < Sync__> http://www.lessloss.com/images/firewall/black/The-principle-2_2.png?2 and this thing has lots of skin effect 2013-08-17T03:28:01 < BrainDamage> that's a normal copper cable 2013-08-17T03:28:11 < Sync__> yes which is is 2013-08-17T03:28:44 < BrainDamage> altough I admit they have nice boxes 2013-08-17T03:29:54 < dongs> haha 2013-08-17T03:31:22 < qyx_> indeed they have to have 2013-08-17T03:31:24 < dongs> "No hint of 'digititis'" 2013-08-17T03:31:26 < qyx_> for $4500 2013-08-17T03:31:43 < dongs> "Relaxed, natural, and fluid sound" 2013-08-17T03:42:00 < dongs> The combination of the glass-infused Oyaide IEC input and gold-plated Furutech outlet results in a tonal balance and integrity without causing listener fatigue, even over extended listening periods. 2013-08-17T03:42:04 < dongs> hahaha 2013-08-17T03:42:05 < dongs> "listener fatigue" 2013-08-17T03:45:17 < dongs> The all-new Laminar Streamer finally solves the problem of digital audio harshness by using only a single clock source for the formation of the pristine digital audio stream. 2013-08-17T03:45:23 < dongs> didnt we just learn yesterday 2013-08-17T03:45:26 < dongs> more clock sources is better? 2013-08-17T03:45:41 < dongs> that other trash that sells for $20k uses three clocks 2013-08-17T03:45:58 < dongs> LessLoss did not incorporate the use of Windows, MAC OS, or Linux for its operating system. Instead, from ground up, a dedicated audiophile operating system was built, streamlined for the specialized task of serving the topmost quality data while avoiding jitter. 2013-08-17T03:47:54 < dongs> Thus, a new level of quality is achieved in digital playback, previously unattainable due to the inherent complexity of running an OS clock and an audio clock separately. The intricacies of asynchronous re-clocking, buffering, and jitter reduction have been solved at their very source, a world first for digital audio! 2013-08-17T03:55:25 < dongs> http://www.lessloss.com/images/ezpages/test_device_006b_digital_exp.jpg 2013-08-17T03:57:32 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@137.sub-75-233-252.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T03:57:38 < BrainDamage> pr0 2013-08-17T03:57:55 < dongs> i just want http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm/ to die 2013-08-17T03:58:56 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-17T03:59:19 <+dekar> dongs, cool arm thing, gotta order a bunch! 2013-08-17T03:59:32 < dongs> lol. 2013-08-17T03:59:45 < dongs> plz die. 2013-08-17T03:59:57 < dongs> and get some stm32-discovery boards 2013-08-17T04:00:06 < dongs> cheaper and more useful BECAUSE BUILT IN DEBUGGER. 2013-08-17T04:00:12 <+dekar> I just wanted to say, wouldn't a discovery be better? XD 2013-08-17T04:00:27 <+dekar> was just trolling you anyway :P 2013-08-17T04:01:47 <+dekar> I have one of those STM3241G 2013-08-17T04:01:57 < dongs> oh? 2013-08-17T04:02:01 < dongs> is there a -discovery for that>? 2013-08-17T04:02:15 <+dekar> came with full size sim card :D 2013-08-17T04:02:35 <+dekar> also iphone headphones (probably fake) 2013-08-17T04:02:48 <+dekar> and a ST branded USB stick 2013-08-17T04:03:11 <+dekar> dongs, http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF252217 2013-08-17T04:03:45 < dongs> oh haha 2013-08-17T04:03:49 < dongs> that thing loksl ike its like $400 2013-08-17T04:04:06 <+dekar> 270€ iirc 2013-08-17T04:04:11 < dongs> o, its not for the new F423 shit 2013-08-17T04:04:16 < dongs> the ones w/sdram etc 2013-08-17T04:04:20 < dongs> thas just old F417 evalboard 2013-08-17T04:04:51 <+dekar> nope couldn't wait for the new ones :/ 2013-08-17T04:05:32 < dongs> much less interesting :) 2013-08-17T04:08:02 < BJfreeman> or use this one for $40 http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=STM32F4DIS-BBvirtualkey51120000virtualkey511-STM32F4DIS-BB 2013-08-17T04:09:23 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T04:10:03 <+dekar> do the discoveries even have FSMC? 2013-08-17T04:10:47 < dongs> uh? 2013-08-17T04:10:50 < dongs> of course? 2013-08-17T04:10:55 < dongs> all io is broken out, no? 2013-08-17T04:10:58 < BJfreeman> the F4 does 2013-08-17T04:11:52 <+dekar> that's cool, I mainly got the full size evalboard to have the option to use external SRAM 2013-08-17T04:12:28 < BJfreeman> the discoveries are not 176 pins so some pins have multiple functions 2013-08-17T04:13:14 < dongs> you coulda got one of the waveshare F4 shits for $100 or wahtever and it comes with sram/psram breakout boards 2013-08-17T04:17:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-17T04:25:53 <+dekar> dongs, I actually didn't know about those waveshare boards, nonetheless I would have missed out on the awesome goodies :) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20130817_032128.jpg 2013-08-17T04:26:18 < dongs> heh, thats a ST19 card 2013-08-17T04:27:21 < dongs> http://www.wvshare.com/product/Open407Z-C-Package-B.htm here's all the goodies you get on a waveshit board 2013-08-17T04:27:43 < dongs> hm thats not the one i had 2013-08-17T04:28:08 < dongs> looks like they redesigned it all to use the core board as pluigi n 2013-08-17T04:28:26 < dongs> before they had large qfp on the main board 2013-08-17T04:29:46 <+dekar> well most of those things are on the ST board as well, it comes with sram, flash, camera, lcd, ethernet, usb (full, high), irda, sim reader... 2013-08-17T04:29:51 < dongs> Ya 2013-08-17T04:32:08 <+dekar> also I don't care much about the separate modules, yet I surely will check their site if I ever need another board 2013-08-17T04:39:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-17T04:40:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-17T04:44:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T04:44:53 <+dekar> zippe, OSX is pretty heavily lagging now btw, will probably reboot soon: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/Screen%20Shot%202013-08-17%20at%203.42.36%20AM.png 2013-08-17T04:46:45 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@137.sub-75-233-252.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-17T04:50:12 < dongs> lol. 2013-08-17T04:50:28 < dongs> sshfs = fuse trash? 2013-08-17T04:50:38 < dongs> use WIndows 8 Pro 2013-08-17T04:50:41 < dongs> to solve all your problems 2013-08-17T04:50:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-17T04:53:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T04:55:15 <+dekar> dongs, I recently watched a colleague reinstall win7 on his laptop, at some point it downloaded intel graphics drivers, got a BSOD and had to be hard reset. :/ 2013-08-17T04:58:10 < dongs> stop buying shit hardware 2013-08-17T04:58:27 < dongs> my $3000 laptop with intelgraphics in it have never BSOD on win7 2013-08-17T04:58:42 < dongs> if you buy a $300 laptop it will work just like that 2013-08-17T04:59:44 <+dekar> It was some not too cheapish Dell, dunno the model though. 2013-08-17T05:00:07 < dongs> also lol @ thunderfail eating 500megs of ram 2013-08-17T05:00:11 < dongs> that outlook 2013 lookin better and better 2013-08-17T05:01:03 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T05:03:14 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-17T05:06:54 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T05:06:55 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-17T05:06:55 -!- emeb_mac_ is now known as emeb_mac 2013-08-17T05:11:18 < englishman> whats with win8 love, did yours come with a GUI? mine came with some tablet software i cant use with a mouse 2013-08-17T05:11:33 < dongs> mine worked fine 2013-08-17T05:13:35 < englishman> can you tell me where the start menu is? i can't find it 2013-08-17T05:13:52 < dongs> trying to remember last time I used start menu 2013-08-17T05:14:11 < dongs> i think last time was around windows Xp days 2013-08-17T05:16:58 < englishman> is this your desktop http://imgur.com/NQQyjrh 2013-08-17T05:17:14 < dongs> no, i actually use my computer 2013-08-17T05:17:17 < dongs> so there's nothing of value on desktop 2013-08-17T05:17:22 < dongs> since i would never see it 2013-08-17T05:17:38 < englishman> so you start programs from command line 2013-08-17T05:17:46 < dongs> ? 2013-08-17T05:17:56 < dongs> i press winkey and type a couple letters of it. 2013-08-17T05:18:05 < englishman> yeah comand line 2013-08-17T05:18:12 < englishman> line of commands 2013-08-17T05:18:36 < dongs> millimeter-precision pointing through several levels of start menu is easier? 2013-08-17T05:18:51 < dongs> tehre's a reason they got rid of that shit, it was fucking useless 2013-08-17T05:19:10 < dongs> i can get to pretty much any app I use with 4-5 keystrokes max 2013-08-17T05:19:16 < dongs> without touching the mouse. 2013-08-17T05:19:51 < dongs> or i have some commonly used shit pinned to tiles screen, so then its just winkey + one click (or shift click to start anoter copy) 2013-08-17T05:19:57 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T05:20:06 < dongs> again, more usable tahn start menu. 2013-08-17T05:21:00 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-17T05:38:19 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T06:00:43 < dongs> Furthermore, many an audiophile had discovered by then that taking the time to use freeware ripping software (Exact Audio Copy was very popular shareware) and to re-burn the discs onto CDRs of different types would result in different sound quality from the original (notably, black and dark blue CDRs were known to provide superior sound quality). So there was obviously an element of Jitter entering the stream which was dependent upon the optical r 2013-08-17T06:00:50 < dongs> attn emeb_mac 2013-08-17T06:01:12 < emeb_mac> lol 2013-08-17T06:02:34 < dongs> CD ripping software must run (well, not during playback), but all the CD ripping functionality must exist in the motherboard. Wires are dangling in the unit to connect the CDR/DVD burner/reader tray. Each wire is an antenna, and further clutters the atmosphere. Busses of loose wire run high data rate information between the internal components such as storage devices. 2013-08-17T06:05:11 < dongs> emeb_mac: i was told 24bit R2R dac sounds better than a chip 2013-08-17T06:07:40 < englishman> wat. and cds use error correction too 2013-08-17T06:08:01 < dongs> englishman: shut the fuck up. you dont know JITTER 2013-08-17T06:08:18 < englishman> correct i dont. and i dont need to. 2013-08-17T06:08:29 < dongs> emeb_mac: tell him all about JITTER 2013-08-17T06:09:19 < englishman> however if i am going to drop $20,000 on a usb sound card you better assure me that jitter is something that is bad and i need to pay $20,000 to prevent it somehow. 2013-08-17T06:09:42 < dongs> no, you will also need a $500 USB cable 2013-08-17T06:09:48 < dongs> to fully prevent it 2013-08-17T06:09:52 < dongs> with 10.5GBPS of bandwidth 2013-08-17T06:10:14 < dongs> You can "round out the clock ticks" to get to the frequencies you need. But this "rounding out" probably need not be discussed here with you. Of course, it results in "that harsh digital computer audio sound". 2013-08-17T06:10:27 < ds2> we need to upgrade the speed of sound 2013-08-17T06:10:41 < dongs> just round out your clock ticks. 2013-08-17T06:10:42 < ds2> and the speed of light 2013-08-17T06:11:10 < dongs> Any file of any sampling frequency can be played right after one another, without the sloppy desktop computer CPU operations averaging out the clock speeds to make this work. 2013-08-17T06:11:42 < dongs> .. doesnt averaging clocks reduce jitter? just wondering. 2013-08-17T06:14:22 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-17T06:14:40 < englishman> i need to play my 44.1kHz mp3s at 384kHz because i paid for it 2013-08-17T06:22:59 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-17T06:23:08 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T06:33:50 < jef79m> Wires are dangling in the unit to connect the CDR/DVD burner/reader tray. Each wire is an antenna, 2013-08-17T06:34:03 < jef79m> http://www.lessloss.com/images/ezpages/test_device_006b_digital_exp.jpg 2013-08-17T06:34:38 < jef79m> look at all the antennas 2013-08-17T06:36:45 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-17T06:38:17 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T06:39:05 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T06:39:13 < emeb_mac> audiophools and their money are soon parted 2013-08-17T06:39:43 < R2COM> bork bork! 2013-08-17T06:39:55 < emeb_mac> http://www.amazon.com/review/R3I8VKTCITJCX6 2013-08-17T06:53:30 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T06:54:45 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-17T06:56:29 < emeb_mac> 5 days and $22M to go on the ubuntu edge. 2013-08-17T06:56:46 < dongs> spectacular lunix failure 2013-08-17T06:56:53 < emeb_mac> I'm guessing Canonical didn't actually want it to fund - just floating a trial balloon. 2013-08-17T06:57:24 < emeb_mac> cheap and easy way to get a lot of publicity and gauge market interest. 2013-08-17T06:57:59 < emeb_mac> apparently they set a record at any rate. 2013-08-17T06:58:46 < englishman> raised more theoretical dollars then an equally ugly and useless watch 2013-08-17T06:59:22 < dongs> what was 10mil? 2013-08-17T06:59:30 < dongs> what watch 2013-08-17T06:59:38 < emeb_mac> pebble 2013-08-17T07:00:02 < emeb_mac> http://getpebble.com/ 2013-08-17T07:00:03 < dongs> soudns vaguely familiar 2013-08-17T07:00:20 < dongs> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/08/pebble_watch_review_the_best_funded_project_in_kickstarter_history_is_kind.html 2013-08-17T07:00:23 < dongs> LOL 2013-08-17T07:03:46 < emeb_mac> dongs coulda made that. 2013-08-17T07:04:42 < dongs> k time to take a nap and read that article and lol 2013-08-17T07:04:45 < dongs> bbl 2013-08-17T07:04:57 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM this was a nice watch 2013-08-17T07:29:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T07:30:58 < emeb_mac> Monty has made some good videos. Wish more audiophools would take note of that. 2013-08-17T07:57:19 < dongs> emeb_mac: that video is linked from the audiophool SD player page 2013-08-17T07:57:19 < dongs> lol 2013-08-17T07:57:28 < dongs> even thou he basically trashes every bullshit they mention above. 2013-08-17T07:57:31 < dongs> http://www.lessloss.com/laminar-streamer-sd-player-p-207.html 2013-08-17T08:17:38 < qyx_> Instead, from ground up, a dedicated audiophile operating system was built 2013-08-17T08:17:46 < qyx_> oh 2013-08-17T08:19:22 < dongs> it doesn't have "services" 2013-08-17T08:23:32 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2013-08-17T08:27:46 -!- Joker_ [d5f22ee2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.46.226] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T08:37:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-17T09:00:30 < dongs> watching irondong3 2013-08-17T09:13:05 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.243.26] has joined ##stm32 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get? 2013-08-17T17:37:28 < dongs> i think this spartan3E evalboard schematic was drawn in eagle... 2013-08-17T17:37:29 < dongs> shudder 2013-08-17T17:37:39 < Laurenceb_> you know anything about PAPR in OFDM? 2013-08-17T17:37:41 < dongs> MrMobius: LMH0074 and a SDI receiver, forget part/num 2013-08-17T17:37:47 < MrMobius> nice 2013-08-17T17:38:07 < dongs> Laurenceb_: nope im dum 2013-08-17T17:38:15 < MrMobius> i samples two R48 chips and didnt realize until i got them that they are like $35 each 2013-08-17T17:38:19 < Laurenceb_> pathological data conditions 2013-08-17T17:38:21 < Laurenceb_> nice 2013-08-17T17:38:29 < dongs> R48? 2013-08-17T17:38:32 < dongs> as in cortex-R? 2013-08-17T17:38:44 < MrMobius> erm, RM48 2013-08-17T17:38:46 < MrMobius> ya 2013-08-17T17:38:48 < dongs> lulz 2013-08-17T17:38:52 < MrMobius> :P 2013-08-17T17:38:54 < dongs> better get a job at spacex 2013-08-17T17:54:23 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb: what do you need to know about PAPR / OFDM? 2013-08-17T17:54:39 * emeb_mac spent 7 yrs doing R&D on that stuff 2013-08-17T17:59:11 < dongs> This section contains recommendations that should be followed to obtain a good Input 2013-08-17T17:59:14 < dongs> Return Loss (IRL) 2013-08-17T17:59:20 < dongs> i thought IRL means somehting else :( 2013-08-17T18:04:09 < dongs> heh my gennum account still works @ semtech 2013-08-17T18:04:15 < dongs> w/elevated access for all the SDI warez 2013-08-17T18:08:00 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T18:08:09 < dongs> GS2961AIBE3-ND WTF PRICE 2013-08-17T18:09:08 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T18:13:05 < dongs> http://vimeo.com/71501596# 2013-08-17T18:25:20 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.163] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-17T18:27:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/O9ZqwSB.png lazy BGA 2013-08-17T18:28:22 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-17T18:29:10 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined 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most of the solutions for this that I've seen are pretty brute-force. 2013-08-17T18:41:28 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats what im finding 2013-08-17T18:41:38 < Laurenceb_> for the simple case there must be a proof... 2013-08-17T18:41:46 < emeb_mac> or in technical terms "heuristic" :) 2013-08-17T18:41:50 < Laurenceb_> haha 2013-08-17T18:42:30 < emeb_mac> generally what I've seen is doing multiple transforms with different phases and picking the best ones. 2013-08-17T18:43:17 < emeb_mac> the solutions I've worked on were actually "lossy" - doing peak reduction filtering with an allowed EVM. 2013-08-17T18:43:52 < emeb_mac> probably not ideal for your situation. 2013-08-17T18:46:09 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-94-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-17T18:46:30 < Laurenceb_> i see 2013-08-17T18:46:43 < Laurenceb_> im just running the sqp optimiser in octave 2013-08-17T18:46:57 < Laurenceb_> theres carriers-2 degrees of freedom 2013-08-17T18:49:43 -!- 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out of money in 4 weeks so pressur eis on 2013-08-18T02:59:02 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T03:02:37 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2013-08-18T03:02:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T03:03:26 < emeb_mac> asleep at the kbd 2013-08-18T03:07:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-18T03:16:18 < zippe> Any chance that we could get a more modern gdb in TNT? 2013-08-18T03:16:21 < dongs> Sync__: i was referring to the COA label 2013-08-18T03:16:40 < Sync__> ah yeah lots of them too 2013-08-18T03:17:06 < Sync__> but yeah windows me embedded... 2013-08-18T03:20:55 < dongs> isnt TNT obsolete with gnuarmembedded anyway. 2013-08-18T03:22:12 < dongs> mm 2013-08-18T03:22:19 < dongs> rightclick->fanout for BGA in dicktrace is nice 2013-08-18T03:22:24 < dongs> does just what I wanted :) 2013-08-18T03:39:35 -!- gsmcmullin 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2013-08-18T07:47:07 < talsit> how common is it for the analog section bypass caps to fail? 2013-08-18T07:47:18 < talsit> as in, short closed (~2ohms) 2013-08-18T07:47:33 < upgrdman> i've never seen a ceramic fail as a short 2013-08-18T07:47:35 < talsit> a friend's oculus rift broke, and that's what i traced it down to 2013-08-18T07:47:55 < talsit> https://www.dropbox.com/s/itpro8glydcyp56/2013-08-15%2009.32.41.jpg 2013-08-18T07:47:58 < upgrdman> i've only even seen two ceramic caps fails. they were both open circuit, and im 80% sure both were physical damage problems 2013-08-18T07:48:03 < talsit> C16 failed as a short circuit 2013-08-18T07:48:24 < talsit> well.. 2ohms 2013-08-18T07:48:45 < upgrdman> solder short on j3 2013-08-18T07:48:47 < talsit> and that's part of the VCCA/VDDA section 2013-08-18T07:49:13 < talsit> those 2 pins are connected together 2013-08-18T07:49:25 < talsit> i took C16 off, and the short went away 2013-08-18T07:49:36 < talsit> that was after removing all the chips :( 2013-08-18T08:03:49 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: nice board 2013-08-18T08:03:57 < upgrdman> thanks 2013-08-18T08:04:06 < emeb_mac> what are those huge straps across the middle? Power buss? 2013-08-18T08:04:15 < upgrdman> this is the monstrosity it will go in... http://farrellf.com/temp/robot_pre_pcb.jpg 2013-08-18T08:04:31 < upgrdman> i should try taking that ball of wires through a tsa check point some time... lol 2013-08-18T08:04:54 < emeb_mac> that's cute 2013-08-18T08:04:59 < emeb_mac> stable? 2013-08-18T08:05:12 < upgrdman> emeb_mac: yes, i used em cause i cant do via on a single-sided board. 2013-08-18T08:05:14 < upgrdman> yes 2013-08-18T08:05:24 < emeb_mac> thot so 2013-08-18T08:05:38 < emeb_mac> you etch that yourself? 2013-08-18T08:05:58 < upgrdman> ya 2013-08-18T08:07:41 < emeb_mac> nice job - looks pretty even. 2013-08-18T08:08:50 < emeb_mac> reflow or hand solder w/ iron? 2013-08-18T08:09:10 < emeb_mac> (assume reflow if you had a tombstone) 2013-08-18T08:09:38 < upgrdman> ya. paste, toaster oven. 2013-08-18T08:10:05 < emeb_mac> the little qfn / csp pkgs for the accel / magn / gyro look nicely done. 2013-08-18T08:10:06 < upgrdman> then hand soldered the 0.1" stuff, and fixed the reset button which slid a little 2013-08-18T08:10:26 < upgrdman> lead free paste... wish i could find leaded local 2013-08-18T08:11:35 < emeb_mac> don't have much experience with that. 2013-08-18T08:11:46 < emeb_mac> what RF board is that? 2013-08-18T08:12:42 < upgrdman> cc2500 module 2013-08-18T08:12:46 < upgrdman> from china 2013-08-18T08:12:53 < upgrdman> $2 each :) 2013-08-18T08:13:32 < upgrdman> i used one to make a ghetto 2.4g spectrum analyzer 2013-08-18T08:14:43 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/assembled_pcb.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoucYFKTFY 2013-08-18T08:17:38 < emeb_mac> fun! 2013-08-18T08:17:46 < emeb_mac> didn't realize they were so tunable. 2013-08-18T08:18:00 < emeb_mac> you just sweeping the center freq and measuring RSSI? 2013-08-18T08:19:45 < upgrdman> ya 2013-08-18T08:20:30 < upgrdman> sweeping from 2.41 - 2.48 GHz iirc. 2013-08-18T08:32:40 < Vutral> lol 2013-08-18T08:32:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-18T08:40:02 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@c-71-224-59-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T08:46:52 < dongs> fucking nutcase. 2013-08-18T08:47:00 < dongs> and ofcourse using a mac 2013-08-18T08:47:02 < dongs> no surprise there 2013-08-18T08:47:55 < dongs> i wonder wehre the fuck he gets those weird jumper wires from 2013-08-18T08:48:46 < emeb_mac> heh - those busbars? 2013-08-18T08:59:17 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-18T09:00:27 < dongs> must be some special waste-of-time-diy-trash store 2013-08-18T09:01:10 < emeb_mac> ya - they look pre-formed with snap offs 2013-08-18T09:02:22 < dongs> im thinking of making a board with LMH0074 on it and hirose FX2 connector to snap into my spartan 3E kit ive had laying around for years 2013-08-18T09:02:35 < dongs> and try that xilinx opensores dvb-asi rx 2013-08-18T09:03:00 < emeb_mac> fun 2013-08-18T09:03:24 < dongs> a bit surprised its opensores, considering every chip is liek >$50 2013-08-18T09:03:32 < dongs> and I still need a CPLD after it to clean up the signal.. 2013-08-18T09:03:41 < dongs> if opensores works maybe I can just use a cheap 50k gate spartan 3E instead 2013-08-18T09:04:09 < emeb_mac> even the 200k S3A is only like $12 from DK 2013-08-18T09:04:22 < dongs> it doesnt sound like It'll need more than 50k tho 2013-08-18T09:04:38 < emeb_mac> and those are pretty cheap - like $7 or so 2013-08-18T09:04:51 < dongs> it needs 135mhz clock tho, doesnt spartan type shit have PLLs on board? 2013-08-18T09:04:55 < emeb_mac> you can try compiling it in the ISE web pack for free to see if it fits 2013-08-18T09:05:14 < emeb_mac> Spartan 3 don't have PLLs - on DLLs 2013-08-18T09:05:17 < emeb_mac> only 2013-08-18T09:05:53 < emeb_mac> if you need a PLL for cleaner clocks then you'll have to go with an S6 2013-08-18T09:06:10 < dongs> or i can just get some external shit clocking 135mhz, no? 2013-08-18T09:06:23 < emeb_mac> that too 2013-08-18T09:06:36 < emeb_mac> 135MHz oscillator? 2013-08-18T09:06:43 < dongs> nothing in stokc, lols. 2013-08-18T09:06:58 < dongs> holy fuck 2013-08-18T09:07:00 < dongs> they're like $30+ 2013-08-18T09:07:03 < dongs> wth 2013-08-18T09:07:07 < emeb_mac> osc? 2013-08-18T09:07:12 < dongs> osc yeah 2013-08-18T09:07:27 < emeb_mac> that's kinda high-speed, strange freq 2013-08-18T09:07:45 < emeb_mac> how clean does the clock need to be? 2013-08-18T09:07:54 < dongs> xilinx sores needs differential clock even 2013-08-18T09:08:09 < emeb_mac> link to sores? 2013-08-18T09:08:14 < dongs> but I read somewehre one could feed in regular clock through some BUF or someshit on-chip and it becomes differential 2013-08-18T09:08:17 < dongs> sec 2013-08-18T09:08:27 < dongs> xapp1015 2013-08-18T09:08:29 < dongs> finding direct link 2013-08-18T09:08:33 < emeb_mac> kk 2013-08-18T09:08:59 < emeb_mac> got it 2013-08-18T09:10:20 < dongs> A complete reference design using this transmitter and verified in hardware on the Cook 2013-08-18T09:10:23 < dongs> Technologies CTXIL206 SDV board is available at: 2013-08-18T09:10:26 < dongs> https://secure.xilinx.com/webreg/clickthrough.do?cid=133622. Open the ZIP archive 2013-08-18T09:10:29 < dongs> and extract the file xapp1015_sec1_ASI_LVDS.zip. 2013-08-18T09:10:31 < dongs> this shit 2013-08-18T09:11:09 < emeb_mac> ya 2013-08-18T09:11:36 < emeb_mac> looks like they really want a good 135MHz external source - is used for sampling RX so it must be clean. 2013-08-18T09:11:42 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.246.213] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T09:11:42 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-18T09:11:42 < dongs> right 2013-08-18T09:12:09 < dongs> why hte fuck such idiotic freq 2013-08-18T09:12:11 < dongs> 1/2 of 270mhz? 2013-08-18T09:12:17 < dongs> hm yea 2013-08-18T09:12:27 < emeb_mac> yep 2013-08-18T09:12:38 < emeb_mac> you could prolly fake it with a cheap preset PLL, or something like an SI570 2013-08-18T09:13:01 < emeb_mac> xtals that high will be expensive 2013-08-18T09:13:32 < dongs> this would need to be cehaper htan $37+$3 that I would spend on gennum RX + coolrunnerII 2013-08-18T09:13:54 < emeb_mac> right 2013-08-18T09:14:09 < dongs> 50ppm? 2013-08-18T09:14:11 < dongs> isnt that kinda crappy 2013-08-18T09:14:18 < dongs> i remember reading somewehre i want < 30ppm 2013-08-18T09:14:22 < dongs> at least for gennum junk 2013-08-18T09:14:50 < dongs> how is that silabs shit programmable? 2013-08-18T09:14:56 < dongs> oh gawd 2013-08-18T09:14:57 < dongs> I2C? 2013-08-18T09:15:18 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.243.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-18T09:15:58 < MrMobius> my favorite was the zilog mpu datasheet i read that had an integrated oscillator with +/- 30% accuracy 2013-08-18T09:16:13 < dongs> sounds like intrc inside failmegas 2013-08-18T09:16:15 < MrMobius> no need for a crystal bro 2013-08-18T09:16:42 < dongs> http://elm-chan.org/docs/avr/jitter.html check this awesome 2013-08-18T09:17:13 < dongs> old atmegas actuaalyl sucked less. 2013-08-18T09:17:50 < MrMobius> lol 2013-08-18T09:18:03 < emeb_mac> those SI parts are pretty clean 2013-08-18T09:18:04 < MrMobius> hook up a 555 instead 2013-08-18T09:18:24 < dongs> but i2c??? 2013-08-18T09:18:34 < emeb_mac> but ya - I2C is a bit of a PITA unless you've got an MCU handy to set it up 2013-08-18T09:19:05 < dongs> ive got a 27mhz clean osc on board 2013-08-18T09:19:12 < dongs> if I could just 5x it with something that'd probly work too 2013-08-18T09:19:18 < emeb_mac> sure 2013-08-18T09:19:21 < dongs> nothing on 3E will do it? 2013-08-18T09:19:24 < dongs> pll/dllwhatever shit 2013-08-18T09:19:45 < emeb_mac> pll - use one of those old natsemi type parts w/ integrated vco 2013-08-18T09:21:31 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CDCVF2505PWR/296-9437-1-ND/379975 2013-08-18T09:22:27 < dongs> wait no 2013-08-18T09:22:29 < dongs> wtf is taht shit 2013-08-18T09:22:39 < dongs> i thought it was a 5x multiplier ,not fucking 5x outputs 2013-08-18T09:22:40 < dongs> useless. 2013-08-18T09:26:39 < emeb_mac> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CDCE706PW/296-20674-5-ND/1143639 2013-08-18T09:29:40 < dongs> emeb_mac: configured by external eeprom or something? 2013-08-18T09:29:45 < dongs> oh, the chip IS an eeprom 2013-08-18T09:33:42 < emeb_mac> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CDCE913PW/296-22670-5-ND/1698952 2013-08-18T09:33:47 < emeb_mac> cheaper but non-stock 2013-08-18T09:34:38 < emeb_mac> mouser has 'em http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/CDCE913PWR/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtpciNLZsu22No8D%2fu%252bjJVP 2013-08-18T09:35:27 < dongs> so i have to program in multiplier by I2C once? 2013-08-18T09:38:40 < emeb_mac> either that, or @ power up from an MCU (or from the FPGA) 2013-08-18T09:39:04 < emeb_mac> you could make an I2C master in the FPGA that sets up the PLL 2013-08-18T09:43:28 < dongs> i rmeember someone made me I2C slave in FPGA 2013-08-18T09:43:32 < dongs> it looked horrible 2013-08-18T09:43:49 < emeb_mac> write-only master would be simple 2013-08-18T09:44:32 < emeb_mac> just assume the transaction succeeds - don't even bother looking for the ACK 2013-08-18T09:44:57 < emeb_mac> spew out properly phased SDA/SCL and get on with life 2013-08-18T09:49:18 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-59-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-18T09:53:05 < emeb_mac> or, similar function but SPI: http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NB4N441-D.PDF 2013-08-18T09:53:15 < emeb_mac> $4 @ verical 2013-08-18T09:53:20 < dongs> huge 2013-08-18T09:53:59 < dongs> wth why are they all working off 27mhz 2013-08-18T09:54:09 < dongs> is it because only videofags need this kinda shit? 2013-08-18T09:55:51 < emeb_mac> prolly 2013-08-18T09:55:58 < emeb_mac> time for zzz 2013-08-18T09:56:04 < dongs> ennjoy 2013-08-18T09:56:17 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-18T09:56:20 < dongs> lol no 135mhz in the 'standard frequency list' on that last one 2013-08-18T10:05:19 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-123-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T10:14:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.28.105] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T10:56:18 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-18T11:01:26 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T11:10:10 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.178] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 2013-08-18T11:36:07 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-18T11:52:25 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-123-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-18T12:14:51 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-59-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T12:22:15 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T12:27:09 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-59-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-18T12:32:50 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-116-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T12:33:41 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.128.176] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T12:58:09 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.128.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-18T12:58:41 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.208] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T13:04:20 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T13:05:57 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-18T13:07:21 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-18T13:27:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T13:30:12 < dongs> http://www.chiaki.cc/Pyxis2010/images/pyxis2010-fpgasol1.jpg bga? no problem. 2013-08-18T13:33:02 < dongs> whats funnier is thats a $500 fpga 2013-08-18T13:49:51 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-116-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-18T14:14:55 <+Steffanx> :O 2013-08-18T14:42:21 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T14:43:58 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-18T14:47:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T15:20:23 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.143] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T15:27:50 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-18T15:45:21 < dongs> lols. coregen in ise14 totally cahnged from wahtever the shit it was in 2008 2013-08-18T15:50:56 < dongs> did they delete the fucking graphical constraints editor 2013-08-18T15:53:10 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.246.213] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-18T15:55:01 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-65-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T16:04:08 < Laurenceb_> wtf is coregen? 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Any advices? 2013-08-18T18:10:54 < Tectu> at work we had both so I didn't care too much and mostly applied the flux with a brush 2013-08-18T18:13:46 * emeb_mac uses gel from a syringe 2013-08-18T18:13:53 < qyx_> me too 2013-08-18T18:14:25 < Tectu> does that work well? I am worried that it might be hard to apply because "it does not stick" 2013-08-18T18:14:39 < Tectu> also, do you use some pneumatic pump to dispense it? 2013-08-18T18:14:43 < emeb_mac> I like it - helps keep qfp packages stuck in place 2013-08-18T18:14:49 < qyx_> it does stick 2013-08-18T18:14:53 < jpa-> pen is handy 2013-08-18T18:15:00 < jpa-> but anything works, i guess 2013-08-18T18:15:24 < Tectu> emeb_mac, qyx_, which one can you recommend? 2013-08-18T18:15:35 < Tectu> http://ch.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=2131462 2013-08-18T18:15:40 < Tectu> looks unusually expensive?! 2013-08-18T18:15:46 < Tectu> ( it's 30USD) 2013-08-18T18:16:19 < qyx_> i use some china-made "rework soldering gel", 20ml for about 18e 2013-08-18T18:16:22 < jpa-> flux pricing it crazy 2013-08-18T18:16:26 < jpa-> *is 2013-08-18T18:16:32 < Tectu> how comes? 2013-08-18T18:16:40 < Tectu> is it really that expensive or more a commercial thing? 2013-08-18T18:16:54 < jpa-> 1 liter costs something like 100 EUR, 10 ml costs like 20 EUR :P 2013-08-18T18:17:04 < emeb_mac> Tectu: I use "Chipquik SMD no-clean paste flux" 2013-08-18T18:17:18 < Tectu> http://www.chipquik.com/products.html 2013-08-18T18:17:21 < Tectu> seriously? :D 2013-08-18T18:17:31 < emeb_mac> http://www.circuitspecialists.com/smd-291.html 2013-08-18T18:17:54 < emeb_mac> seriously! 2013-08-18T18:18:19 < Tectu> http://ch.farnell.com/chip-quik/smd1/kit-smd-entfernung/dp/1850214 2013-08-18T18:18:28 < Tectu> farnell actually has that yellow static HTML stuff 2013-08-18T18:19:13 < qyx_> "elchemco s-future rework jelly" 2013-08-18T18:19:33 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-18T18:19:33 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-96-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-18T18:19:53 < Tectu> who the f*ck comes up with all those names 2013-08-18T18:20:18 < emeb_mac> hilarious how companies try to set themselves apart 2013-08-18T18:20:31 < Tectu> well, anything against getting this one? http://ch.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=2131462 2013-08-18T18:20:36 < emeb_mac> "Whizzo super flux-tastic" 2013-08-18T18:21:27 < emeb_mac> meh - allergies. not enough antihistamine in the 'verse. 2013-08-18T18:32:34 < Tectu> emeb_mac, okay, I suddenly decided to give digikey a try over farnell... 2013-08-18T18:32:37 < Tectu> emeb_mac, this one, I assume? http://www.digikey.ch/product-detail/de/SMD291/SMD291-ND/355201 2013-08-18T18:33:33 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-18T18:34:40 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.100] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T18:35:34 < emeb_mac> Tectu: looks right to me. SMD291 is the same as what I'm using. 2013-08-18T18:36:21 < emeb_mac> they call it no-clean, but if you don't clean it up then your board looks like crap. 2013-08-18T18:36:35 < emeb_mac> I just use IPA and cotton swabs. 2013-08-18T18:37:10 < emeb_mac> (flux dries up and leaves brown stain - not pretty) 2013-08-18T18:38:33 < Tectu> IPA? Some alcohol stuff I assume? 2013-08-18T18:39:02 < qyx_> isopropylalcohol 2013-08-18T18:39:09 < Tectu> aah, I have plenty of that here 2013-08-18T18:39:18 < Tectu> so there's no reason to buy expensive cleaner sprays? 2013-08-18T18:39:24 < emeb_mac> nah 2013-08-18T18:39:42 < emeb_mac> IPA - India Pale Ale. :) 2013-08-18T18:39:53 < qyx_> wut 2013-08-18T18:40:02 < emeb_mac> KIDDING 2013-08-18T18:40:06 < qyx_> ah! 2013-08-18T18:40:43 < emeb_mac> I get 90% at the drug store - seems to work a bit better than the 70% "rubbing alchohol" stuff. 2013-08-18T18:41:12 < qyx_> i got some 99.5% for 2.30e/1L 2013-08-18T18:41:23 < emeb_mac> the good stuff 2013-08-18T18:41:30 < Tectu> jup, my sister works at the drug store. 99.5% 2013-08-18T18:41:48 < emeb_mac> I've noticed that if I get it on my skin then it turns it white for a little while. weird. 2013-08-18T18:42:26 < Tectu> that's your skins way to tell "staph doing dat!" 2013-08-18T18:42:37 < emeb_mac> no doubt. 2013-08-18T18:42:38 < Tectu> s/tell/say 2013-08-18T18:46:04 < emeb_mac> gotta think of a new project to do - haven't done a board in a few months. 2013-08-18T18:50:27 < Tectu> jesus... finding stuff at digikey really is a hard job 2013-08-18T18:50:48 < emeb_mac> what's hard about it? 2013-08-18T18:52:33 < Tectu> I am not sure if I still want to talk about it 2013-08-18T18:54:41 < Tectu> so if you guys buy your 100nF reels... do you go for +-10% or -20 +80% ? 2013-08-18T18:54:58 < bsdfox> Tectu, they have people you can chat with that will find parts for you 2013-08-18T18:54:59 < Tectu> mostly those are used as decouppling caps so +80% wouldn't be that bad but the -20 coul? 2013-08-18T18:55:15 < Tectu> bsdfox, how much money do they take per hour? ;-) 2013-08-18T18:55:54 < bsdfox> Tectu, just get +/- 10% and use more 2013-08-18T18:56:12 < Tectu> wtf 2013-08-18T18:56:27 < bsdfox> people are stingy with bypass caps for some reason 2013-08-18T18:56:34 < Tectu> zyp, which reel did you get? I remember that you got some 4k reel for 4$ 2013-08-18T18:56:36 < jpa-> Tectu: get X5R or better 2013-08-18T18:57:21 < Tectu> jpa-, thanks 2013-08-18T18:57:41 < jpa-> it costs pennies anyway 2013-08-18T18:57:49 < Tectu> yeah 2013-08-18T18:58:07 < Tectu> maybe I remember wrong, but I thought zyp said he got a 0603 100nf reel (4k) for 4$ 2013-08-18T18:58:11 < Tectu> maybe it was 14$? 2013-08-18T18:59:00 < jpa-> i can only see log mentions about resistor reels, not capacitor reels 2013-08-18T18:59:18 < Tectu> aaah 2013-08-18T18:59:24 < Tectu> I assume those might be cheaper indeed 2013-08-18T19:00:28 < jpa-> also pay attention to metric 0603 vs. imperial 0603 :) 2013-08-18T19:00:41 < Tectu> yeah, I already had to learn that :) 2013-08-18T19:00:44 < Tectu> it's really a mess 2013-08-18T19:00:56 < Tectu> it takes me ages to find stuff at digikey, and at the end I am not sure if that's what I want 2013-08-18T19:01:03 < Tectu> especially when it comes to packages 2013-08-18T19:01:25 < Tectu> there seems to be a difference between D2-PACK and D²-PACK 2013-08-18T19:03:23 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-32-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T19:04:31 < jpa-> if you don't need a reel, you can get 1000 for $5 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CL10B104KO8NNNC/1276-1005-1-ND/3889091 2013-08-18T19:04:52 < Tectu> http://www.digikey.ch/product-search/de/crystals-and-oscillators/oscillators/852334?k=quarz%20smd 2013-08-18T19:04:59 < Tectu> wtf... is there no 12.000 MHz ? 2013-08-18T19:05:05 < Tectu> same with 8 2013-08-18T19:05:09 < Tectu> am I looking in the wrong category? 2013-08-18T19:05:38 < jpa-> you fail at scrolling 2013-08-18T19:05:44 < emeb_mac> lol 2013-08-18T19:06:04 < emeb_mac> those samsungs are on a 4k reel for $14 too 2013-08-18T19:06:06 < Tectu> the closest is 12.00125MHz 2013-08-18T19:06:14 < jpa-> alternative interpretation: digikey fails at sorting 2013-08-18T19:06:22 < jpa-> Tectu: just scroll all the way to the bottom of the list 2013-08-18T19:06:36 < Tectu> oh look... I really failed at scrolling 2013-08-18T19:06:56 < Tectu> but c'mon... in an incremental list you expect a 12.000MHz, no? :D 2013-08-18T19:07:13 < jpa-> sure, there are bugs in the world 2013-08-18T19:07:21 < jpa-> spread, multiply and fix them 2013-08-18T19:07:26 < Tectu> jpa-, with the caps.... when I want to add those to the basked, there's a dropdown list called "item" what is that about? 2013-08-18T19:08:11 < jpa-> Tectu: well, it is whether you want to call them CL10B104KO or 1276-1005-1-ND 2013-08-18T19:08:17 < jpa-> it lets you give a nick name 2013-08-18T19:08:23 < Tectu> I see 2013-08-18T19:08:27 < emeb_mac> I prefer "George" 2013-08-18T19:14:53 < Tectu> so guys... do they send everything from the USA? 2013-08-18T19:15:03 < Tectu> I am about to place the order and they talk about international stuff 2013-08-18T19:15:48 < emeb_mac> Everything comes from Thief River Falls MN. 2013-08-18T19:16:13 < Tectu> seriously? They don't have an EU stock? 2013-08-18T19:16:18 < emeb_mac> yep 2013-08-18T19:16:29 < Tectu> but... people say it's mostly there in 48 hours?! 2013-08-18T19:16:35 < Tectu> how do they do that? express air mail shipping? 2013-08-18T19:16:41 < jpa-> they have these metal flying birds 2013-08-18T19:16:44 < emeb_mac> ya - airmail 2013-08-18T19:17:07 < emeb_mac> so you make sure your order is large enough to get the cheap shipping 2013-08-18T19:17:08 < jpa-> and in actual airmail class and not the dealextreme style "shove 'em in if you have space" airmail 2013-08-18T19:17:28 < Tectu> it's 130€, free shipping above 65€ 2013-08-18T19:17:39 < Tectu> jpa-, how can they afford that 2013-08-18T19:17:49 < emeb_mac> volume 2013-08-18T19:17:50 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T19:18:01 < jpa-> components come in small lightweight packages 2013-08-18T19:19:34 < Tectu> well, in switzerland you pay for a 2kg package the same amount as for a 10g one which is about 300€ - lol 2013-08-18T19:20:16 < emeb_mac> yoiks! 2013-08-18T19:20:50 < Tectu> now they want to know what I'm gonna do with what they'll hopefully ship to me... is that normal?! 2013-08-18T19:20:58 < Tectu> or did I pick something "special" 2013-08-18T19:22:05 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-18T19:23:42 < qyx_> you can write there it's for rocket guidance 2013-08-18T19:52:51 < zyp> Tectu, http://www.digikey.no/product-detail/en/0603YC104KAT2A/478-1239-2-ND/563349 <- this is what I got 2013-08-18T20:02:57 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-32-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-18T20:06:51 < Tectu> thanks zyp 2013-08-18T20:08:14 < Tectu> jpa-, I had to leave... so is it normal that I have to tell them who's gonna use the products and for what they are being used? 2013-08-18T20:14:41 < zyp> yep 2013-08-18T20:15:25 < Tectu> hmm 2013-08-18T20:15:26 < Tectu> okay 2013-08-18T20:15:29 < Tectu> at every single order? 2013-08-18T20:15:29 < zyp> I've written «hobby project» on orders for personal stuff 2013-08-18T20:15:44 < zyp> you don't have to be more detailed than that 2013-08-18T20:15:45 < Tectu> and who's gonna use it? the same? 2013-08-18T20:15:52 < zyp> yep 2013-08-18T20:17:19 < Tectu> I remember how it was to order some modules from mini-circuits.com 2013-08-18T20:17:21 < emeb_mac> Uncle Sam cares about your hobbies 2013-08-18T20:17:24 < Tectu> took a few weeks to get over the paper work 2013-08-18T20:18:02 < Tectu> zyp, what did you do with the dropdown- boxes? 2013-08-18T20:18:09 < Tectu> about what your company does etc 2013-08-18T20:18:25 < Tectu> aah, there's "personal ussage" 2013-08-18T20:18:27 < zyp> select something reasonable 2013-08-18T20:18:53 < zyp> if you write anything wrong, they're just going to mail you for clarifications 2013-08-18T20:19:10 < Tectu> I see 2013-08-18T20:19:22 < Tectu> as long as the FPI is not going to know on the door, I'm fine 2013-08-18T20:19:24 < Tectu> FBI* 2013-08-18T20:19:42 < Tectu> so let's see how long it will take to receive that package... 2013-08-18T20:19:53 < Tectu> since e-bay stuff takes 4 weeks here 2013-08-18T20:19:54 < zyp> last time I got a «Due to the value of your order it appears to exceed the normal usage for an individual.» 2013-08-18T20:20:19 < zyp> and I was shipping it to work, so they wanted to double check that it was really a private order :p 2013-08-18T20:20:54 < Tectu> how did that work out? 2013-08-18T20:21:09 < Tectu> you did sent it to work in first place or did you say "ooh, sorry, this is for work" and changed that? 2013-08-18T20:22:06 < Tectu> http://hackaday.com/2013/08/18/liquid-nitrogen-finally-makes-an-arduino-project-cool/ 2013-08-18T20:23:04 < zyp> no, it was for private stuff, but I sent it to work because otherwise they just try to deliver it at my home while I'm at work :p 2013-08-18T20:23:57 < Tectu> how does that work with VAT in your country? 2013-08-18T20:23:58 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-18T20:24:12 < Tectu> it says in red here that I'll pay mine when it arrives - because switzerlan does handle that stuff differentely 2013-08-18T20:24:19 < Tectu> I assume that I'll have to pay when I receive the parcel? 2013-08-18T20:24:28 < zyp> the transporter is responsible for collecting it, i.e. UPS 2013-08-18T20:24:46 < zyp> so usually they send a bill 2013-08-18T20:26:05 < Tectu> aah, so they still put the thing into my mailbox? 2013-08-18T20:28:16 < zyp> UPS will handle the customs clearance for you and give you your packet, yes, and then you get a bill for their expenses and a handling fee later 2013-08-18T20:28:27 < Tectu> well... I'll see how this will work out. most people in switzerland order at farnell or distrelec. Distrelec is next day delivery and farnell the common 48 hours 2013-08-18T20:28:43 < Tectu> prices are high, yes, but for one that's normal in switzerland, and for another they have VAT included 2013-08-18T20:28:52 < zyp> digikey is 48 hours for me 2013-08-18T20:29:14 < zyp> I ordered some parts last wednesday, got them on friday 2013-08-18T20:29:17 < Tectu> now I have 127€ with digikey and the same stuff would be 180€ at farnell (both including shipping costs) 2013-08-18T20:29:29 < Tectu> yeah, but you have no customs to go through, I guess 2013-08-18T20:29:33 < qyx_> Tectu: hm, farnell is around 20hrs here 2013-08-18T20:29:47 < zyp> Tectu, what do you mean customs? 2013-08-18T20:29:49 < qyx_> which surprises me 2013-08-18T20:29:51 < zyp> UPS fix that 2013-08-18T20:29:59 < Tectu> qyx_, wow 2013-08-18T20:30:10 < Tectu> qyx_, but I assume it's the same issue. They send from GB and then it must go through the swiss customs first 2013-08-18T20:30:17 < Tectu> zyp, what do you mean? 2013-08-18T20:30:37 < zyp> I believe norwegian customs are pretty damn strict, so I don't see why you should have larger issues than me 2013-08-18T20:30:39 < qyx_> if i order before ~4pm stuff arrives usually next morning 2013-08-18T20:30:44 < zyp> and I don't have any issues :p 2013-08-18T20:30:44 < Tectu> zyp, usually UPS gives that stuff to the swiss post at the frontier and the swiss post will handle it and deliver it 2013-08-18T20:30:57 < Tectu> zyp, you barely see UPS or DPD trucks drifting around here 2013-08-18T20:31:04 < Tectu> qyx_, that's pretty handy 2013-08-18T20:31:12 < zyp> Tectu, oh, that's the same here 2013-08-18T20:31:23 < Tectu> zyp, so do you get it delivered by an UPS man? 2013-08-18T20:31:51 < zyp> no, it's delivered by a «Bring» man, which is the business-part of the norwegian national mail company 2013-08-18T20:31:59 < Tectu> yeah, same here 2013-08-18T20:32:17 < Tectu> so do you get a bill or do they want the money before they give you the package? 2013-08-18T20:32:23 < qyx_> ok, so probably living outside the eu has also some drawbacks :S 2013-08-18T20:32:25 < zyp> I get a bill later 2013-08-18T20:32:34 < Tectu> qyx_, yeah, but not many ;) 2013-08-18T20:32:50 < Tectu> zyp, so when that's the same here, I should received it on tuesday (everything is on stock) which would be the same as with farnell 2013-08-18T20:32:56 < zyp> qyx_, where are you located? 2013-08-18T20:32:58 < Tectu> sounds like a good deal for saving approx. 50€ :D 2013-08-18T20:33:08 < qyx_> zyp: slovakia 2013-08-18T20:33:12 < zyp> ah 2013-08-18T20:33:36 < Tectu> zyp, I didn't get the system yet... with some stuff they want the money when they bring it to you - otherwise they take it back again, and sometimes they send you a lettered bill three weeks later. The latter is very rare. 2013-08-18T20:33:55 < zyp> yep, same here 2013-08-18T20:34:09 < Tectu> zyp, but you're in the EU, right? 2013-08-18T20:34:16 < zyp> no 2013-08-18T20:34:20 < Tectu> oh! 2013-08-18T20:34:23 < zyp> norway is not part of the EU 2013-08-18T20:34:24 < Tectu> good for you ;-) 2013-08-18T20:34:27 < zyp> only EEA 2013-08-18T20:34:32 < Tectu> EEA? 2013-08-18T20:34:38 < zyp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area 2013-08-18T20:34:41 < Tectu> aah 2013-08-18T20:34:48 < Tectu> I bet switzerland might be too - let's check 2013-08-18T20:35:00 < zyp> it's kinda «EU light» 2013-08-18T20:35:07 < Tectu> lol... 2013-08-18T20:35:13 < Tectu> if you ctrl-f for switzerland, you get 9 results on that page 2013-08-18T20:35:28 < Tectu> it's crazy how everyone is bitchin' about switzerland when it comes to economics and politics 2013-08-18T20:35:30 < emeb_mac> I see a little gray blob between france and italy 2013-08-18T20:35:36 < zyp> people like to sum it up as «we get all the laws and regulations from EU, but have no influence of our own» :p 2013-08-18T20:36:19 < Tectu> zyp, looks like switzerland is not part of the EEA. I wonder if that will affect my digikey order :P 2013-08-18T20:36:32 < zyp> «One EFTA member, Switzerland, has not joined the EEA, but has a similar agreement with the EU.» 2013-08-18T20:36:42 < zyp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland%E2%80%93European_Union_relations 2013-08-18T20:36:53 < Tectu> meh, I had to learn all that crap a year ago 2013-08-18T20:37:01 < zyp> probably more or less the same 2013-08-18T20:37:11 < Tectu> lol, that's so funny how switzerland is always a different color in those graphics 2013-08-18T20:37:24 < emeb_mac> you're all special 2013-08-18T20:37:38 < Tectu> just too bad that we're in the middle and therefore surrounded by "the others" 2013-08-18T20:37:43 < Tectu> could have a bad ending 2013-08-18T20:37:47 < Tectu> for you guys, of course. 2013-08-18T20:38:02 < zyp> what I like about EEA is how I get to use the «for EU passport holders» gates when I'm out travelling, they usually have shorter lines than the «for all nationalities» ones 2013-08-18T20:38:02 < emeb_mac> I hear you all have gov't issue weapons at home. 2013-08-18T20:39:19 < Tectu> zyp, well, from my experience, having just that small swiss ID plastic card is the fastest way to get through airports ;-) 2013-08-18T20:39:34 < Tectu> emeb_mac, where are you from? 2013-08-18T20:39:46 < Tectu> emeb_mac, and yes, we are forced to have weapons at home ;-) 2013-08-18T20:39:50 < emeb_mac> Arizona, USA 2013-08-18T20:40:02 < qyx_> wut 2013-08-18T20:40:23 < qyx_> Tectu: explain that 2013-08-18T20:40:45 < zyp> qyx_, mandatory defence responsibilities 2013-08-18T20:41:02 < qyx_> interesting 2013-08-18T20:41:20 < Tectu> males are forced to join the swiss army. You get a rifle with amo at the first day. When your basic "education" is finished after 300 days, you have to take your rifle home and keep it until you're released from the military service (which is around 35 to 40 or when you leave the country) 2013-08-18T20:41:25 < emeb_mac> Tectu: I think all the "patriots", "minutemen" and general gun nuts here in the US should have mandatory defense service too. 2013-08-18T20:41:37 < Tectu> emeb_mac, I assume that would help, yeah 2013-08-18T20:41:48 < Tectu> emeb_mac, there's a lot of crazy stories about the 'muricans around here 2013-08-18T20:42:13 < emeb_mac> we do have some crazies. fortunately you don't come across them in ordinary life. 2013-08-18T20:42:32 < emeb_mac> although I do see guys with holsters in stores sometimes. 2013-08-18T20:43:22 < Tectu> qyx_, after those ~300 days (depending on what you're supposed to be (infantery, air guy, spy, ham dude...), you have to do a few weeks of "refreshment courses" (mostly 1 to 3) every year and after a while every three years 2013-08-18T20:43:31 < Tectu> emeb_mac, empty ones? 2013-08-18T20:43:52 < emeb_mac> Tectu: no - fully armed / loaded. 2013-08-18T20:43:54 < zyp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country 2013-08-18T20:43:57 < qyx_> Tectu: we had something similar too but now only "professional soldiers" are here 2013-08-18T20:44:27 < Tectu> emeb_mac, well, I always carry a knife with me as well - a few people bitch around (they don't say anything, they just think it's not appropriate) but because everyone has a waepon at home, they are pretty used to it 2013-08-18T20:44:38 < emeb_mac> zyp: heh - that probably includes the guys who have a huge personal arsenal. 2013-08-18T20:44:45 < Tectu> emeb_mac, also, from the part of switzerland where I come from, most people have more than the army rifle anyway 2013-08-18T20:44:57 < emeb_mac> my brother-in-law probably has a few dozen guns just for himself 2013-08-18T20:45:04 < zyp> emeb_mac, norway is rather high on that list because of all the hunters 2013-08-18T20:45:05 < Tectu> zyp, nice link 2013-08-18T20:45:55 < Tectu> emeb_mac, what does he do with them? I bet he couldn't get a rabbit 2013-08-18T20:46:06 < Tectu> emeb_mac, or is he one of those crazy zombie guys? 2013-08-18T20:46:26 < emeb_mac> Tectu: no, he's former military and hunts too. 2013-08-18T20:47:23 < emeb_mac> zyp: ya - hunting probably accounts for a lot of the dark blue. 2013-08-18T20:47:24 < Tectu> emeb_mac, aaah 2013-08-18T20:47:34 < Tectu> emeb_mac, so pretty much like that dave guy from eevblog has 15 solder stations then ;-) 2013-08-18T20:47:34 < qyx_> 73th place, uhm 2013-08-18T20:47:58 < emeb_mac> heh, ya. but no annoying video blogs. 2013-08-18T20:48:07 < Tectu> also, we didn't have to register our weapons for a very long time. It was just a few days ago (maybe 3?) where you had to register your waepons in switzerland 2013-08-18T20:48:16 < Tectu> there are still thounds and thousands of unregistered ones 2013-08-18T20:48:43 < emeb_mac> gotta exercise "your freedoms" :P 2013-08-18T20:49:10 < Tectu> :D 2013-08-18T20:49:16 < Tectu> zyp, how does your country handle military stuff? 2013-08-18T20:49:33 < zyp> what do you mean? 2013-08-18T20:49:54 < Tectu> are you forced to do the army thing? 2013-08-18T20:50:02 < Tectu> or is the army just something you can choose as a job too 2013-08-18T20:50:09 < Tectu> (I don't know the word in english) 2013-08-18T20:50:13 < Tectu> "Die Wehrpflicht" 2013-08-18T20:50:13 < zyp> there is a mandatory service, yes 2013-08-18T20:50:24 < zyp> «verneplikt» in norwegian 2013-08-18T20:50:40 < Tectu> I see 2013-08-18T20:50:44 < Tectu> did you like it? 2013-08-18T20:50:50 < zyp> I didn't do it 2013-08-18T20:50:57 < qyx_> mandatory! 2013-08-18T20:51:12 < zyp> the number they take in is rather low nowadays 2013-08-18T20:51:14 < Tectu> zyp, can you just say "no" or is it hard to get around it? 2013-08-18T20:51:20 < Tectu> aah 2013-08-18T20:51:26 < Tectu> here in switzerland it's pretty hard to get arround it 2013-08-18T20:51:27 < emeb_mac> deferment? "Sorry, I have flat feet" 2013-08-18T20:51:42 < Tectu> just until a few years, everyone WANTED to do it 2013-08-18T20:51:44 < Tectu> it was a honor 2013-08-18T20:51:57 < zyp> it's mandatory if you are called in, but there are exceptions 2013-08-18T20:52:00 < Tectu> these days the kids prefer to play xbox 2013-08-18T20:52:09 < emeb_mac> same everywhere I see. 2013-08-18T20:52:59 < Tectu> aah. Here it's like that: After your 18th birthday, you get a letter which is an "inventation" to medicinal and psychology test. But they don't look if you might be usable for them, they check in which stuff you're best to give you an optimal position 2013-08-18T20:53:04 < Tectu> and that letter everyone gets 2013-08-18T20:53:13 < zyp> I was called in just after I started university, but studies is a valid basis for an exception 2013-08-18T20:53:26 < Tectu> even if you're in the wheelchair, you have to go there, and they might give you some paperwork job 2013-08-18T20:53:46 < Tectu> haha, back a few days they didn't allow you to study then 2013-08-18T20:53:51 < Tectu> now they become a bit more tollerant, but it's still hard 2013-08-18T20:53:54 < Tectu> a friend was lucky 2013-08-18T20:53:59 < emeb_mac> I've got relatives in DE - got out of it by doing alternative service (hospital work, etc) 2013-08-18T20:54:02 < Tectu> he could split his 100% army time in two summers 2013-08-18T20:54:17 < zyp> emeb_mac, that's also an option here 2013-08-18T20:54:23 < Tectu> yeah, you can do that too, but there need to be very good reasons + test results (if it's some medicinal or psychology stuff) 2013-08-18T20:54:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.98] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T20:54:36 < zyp> it's called «civillian service» 2013-08-18T20:54:38 < Tectu> but then it's 1.5 times longer and costs some money 2013-08-18T20:54:41 < Tectu> yep 2013-08-18T20:55:08 < Tectu> they made it a way that most people prefer doing the real army service 2013-08-18T20:55:18 < Tectu> and just those who have realy a problem with war and stuff do the other one 2013-08-18T20:56:07 < emeb_mac> here in the US military service is most often done by lower income folks. That's probably not a good thing in the long run. 2013-08-18T20:56:11 < zyp> anyway, the thing is that with the difference between the number of people they need and the number of people they can pick from, they can pretty much pick just the ones that wants to do the service nowadays 2013-08-18T20:56:50 < Tectu> zyp, kinda the opposit here 2013-08-18T20:57:04 < zyp> oh, and I believe they recently changed the law so it became mandatory for girls as well 2013-08-18T20:57:11 < Tectu> wtf 2013-08-18T20:57:15 < Tectu> interesting 2013-08-18T20:57:19 < Tectu> I thought of this many many times 2013-08-18T20:57:21 < emeb_mac> equality man 2013-08-18T20:57:25 < Tectu> I think it might be a good thing 2013-08-18T20:57:37 < zyp> yeah, gender equality is certainly a good thing 2013-08-18T20:57:38 < Tectu> if you take a look.. the men that come out of the swiss army are so much nicer and more "useful" than those who didin't do it 2013-08-18T20:57:42 < emeb_mac> ever see pictures of the women in the IDF? 2013-08-18T20:57:50 < Tectu> and girls in the same age range... they... are... well.. 2013-08-18T20:58:00 < qyx_> unusable? 2013-08-18T20:58:24 < Tectu> lol... 2013-08-18T20:58:30 < Tectu> I didn't want to go for it :D 2013-08-18T20:58:39 < qyx_> i mean from the practical point of view :P 2013-08-18T20:58:49 < Tectu> yes ;-) 2013-08-18T20:59:18 < Tectu> qyx_, do slovakian women like to do the corpse thing in bed too or is this just a german thing? 2013-08-18T20:59:37 < qyx_> dont know 2013-08-18T21:00:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T21:00:25 < Tectu> yeah... I think that's kinda off-topic 2013-08-18T21:00:48 < emeb_mac> So what's new in STM32 land :) 2013-08-18T21:01:02 < Tectu> zyp, so how did they pick you out? 2013-08-18T21:01:14 < jpa-> wtf is this discussion? 2013-08-18T21:01:18 < qyx_> lol 2013-08-18T21:01:23 < emeb_mac> Sunday BS 2013-08-18T21:01:28 < Tectu> jpa-, about digikey and army stuff 2013-08-18T21:01:30 < zyp> jpa-, comparison of countries 2013-08-18T21:01:48 < zyp> Tectu, random pick, I guess 2013-08-18T21:01:57 < zyp> we also have that mandatory test like you mentioned 2013-08-18T21:02:21 < zyp> where they do kind of an IQ test and check that your body aren't deformed and so on 2013-08-18T21:02:32 < Tectu> jpa-, does .fi have mandatory army service? 2013-08-18T21:02:38 < Tectu> zyp, yep 2013-08-18T21:02:39 < jpa-> yes 2013-08-18T21:02:43 < emeb_mac> hmmm... that third leg is gonna be a problem. 2013-08-18T21:02:43 < Tectu> jpa-, did you do it? 2013-08-18T21:02:49 < Tectu> emeb_mac, lol'd 2013-08-18T21:02:49 < jpa-> i chose civil service 2013-08-18T21:02:55 < Tectu> emeb_mac, here, they actually "inspect" your balls 2013-08-18T21:03:04 < Tectu> jpa-, is it hard to get around either? 2013-08-18T21:03:18 < jpa-> well you have to do something, usually 2013-08-18T21:03:20 < emeb_mac> Tectu: that's important for military service? 2013-08-18T21:03:27 < jpa-> unless you feel like faking illnesses 2013-08-18T21:03:34 < jpa-> nowadays i might choose house arrest - it's pretty much how i spend my time anyway :P 2013-08-18T21:03:47 < Tectu> what? 2013-08-18T21:03:51 < emeb_mac> house full of bunnies? 2013-08-18T21:03:55 < Tectu> you can choose between army, civil service and house arrest? 2013-08-18T21:03:58 < Tectu> emeb_mac, well... 2013-08-18T21:04:02 < jpa-> yes 2013-08-18T21:04:03 < zyp> here they check your vision and allergy history and stuff like that that actually matters :p 2013-08-18T21:04:10 < Tectu> emeb_mac, they touch them, inspect for ball cancer and do some other tests 2013-08-18T21:04:19 < Tectu> jpa-, for how long? and why... 2013-08-18T21:04:27 < jpa-> if you refuse to do anything, they give you 6 months jail time, and if you have no prior crimes, you get house arrest 2013-08-18T21:04:37 < qyx_> lol 2013-08-18T21:04:39 < Tectu> zyp, well, if you have ball cancer, you know it before you're 19 when you're a swiss guy 2013-08-18T21:04:43 < zyp> :p 2013-08-18T21:04:57 < Tectu> jpa-, how does "society" take that? 2013-08-18T21:05:08 < Tectu> jpa-, I mean if you'd have take that way... what would your parents / wife / other relative say? 2013-08-18T21:05:17 < jpa-> Tectu: wouldn't care, i guess 2013-08-18T21:05:21 < Tectu> here it's quite a honor to do either the army or the civil stuff 2013-08-18T21:05:31 < jpa-> maybe some military maniacs care, but i don't care much what other people think anyway 2013-08-18T21:05:45 < zyp> what I remember is that the guy told me after the test that «you got everything right on the pattern recognition part of the IQ test» 2013-08-18T21:05:56 < zyp> that was kinda fun to hear 2013-08-18T21:05:58 < Tectu> zyp, lol... that sounds a bit... strange 2013-08-18T21:06:11 < jpa-> zyp: is that why they didn't take you? :P 2013-08-18T21:06:27 < Tectu> zyp, does that mean that you failed all the other parts? 2013-08-18T21:06:48 < zyp> jpa-, that's probably why they wanted me, even if I answered no to the «would you apply for service if it weren't mandatory» question :p 2013-08-18T21:07:07 < zyp> Tectu, so you fail an IQ test if you don't get everything right? :p 2013-08-18T21:07:24 < jpa-> here if you choose civil service, you don't even get that kind of tests.. just normal medical examination 2013-08-18T21:07:31 < Tectu> zyp, how does one fail an IQ test anyway? 2013-08-18T21:07:37 < zyp> exactly :p 2013-08-18T21:07:47 < Tectu> zyp, probably you're below the beginning of the scala? :D 2013-08-18T21:08:16 < Tectu> as in: you can have 1 to 10 correct, out of 10 2013-08-18T21:08:20 < Tectu> and you actually get none correct 2013-08-18T21:08:27 < zyp> heh 2013-08-18T21:08:48 < jpa-> nowadays in finland, they can also free you from army for "security reasons", e.g. if you threat to blow up the whole place once you find a grenade :P 2013-08-18T21:08:52 < Tectu> I wonder when Steffanx will jump into this conversation... 2013-08-18T21:09:04 < jpa-> so is Tectu going to army to get his balls fondled? 2013-08-18T21:09:07 < zyp> Tectu, suddenly and without warning 2013-08-18T21:09:13 < Tectu> jpa-, that's already passé 2013-08-18T21:09:33 < Tectu> jpa-, they ask you pretty nasty questions here 2013-08-18T21:09:57 < jpa-> like "have you always had this lump here?" 2013-08-18T21:09:59 < Tectu> jpa-, an "easy" one is: "What do you do if you're in your car and a group of soldiers stands on the right side" 2013-08-18T21:10:05 < Tectu> jpa-, no. 2013-08-18T21:10:15 < jpa-> "steer right" 2013-08-18T21:10:17 < jpa-> did i pass? 2013-08-18T21:10:19 < Tectu> yeah... 2013-08-18T21:10:22 < jpa-> good 2013-08-18T21:10:26 < Tectu> one guy said he would fully go for it it... 2013-08-18T21:10:30 < Tectu> they took his drivers license 2013-08-18T21:10:36 < jpa-> lol :) 2013-08-18T21:10:46 < Tectu> (I don't know how it's in your country, but the military stuff is above the police and gov. stuff in these things) 2013-08-18T21:10:54 < zyp> hehr 2013-08-18T21:11:03 < Tectu> he was avoided to drive a car (or any other motorized vehicle) for five years... 2013-08-18T21:11:09 < Tectu> I mean wtf 2013-08-18T21:11:19 < emeb_mac> the price of being a smartass 2013-08-18T21:11:22 < Tectu> don't answer these questions the wrong way just to get around the service :D 2013-08-18T21:11:27 < zyp> reminds me of some time when the military were doing some practice 2013-08-18T21:12:27 < zyp> I was 19, driving to school, saw a tank pass in front of me before I got to the main road 2013-08-18T21:12:37 < zyp> then another just as I was about to turn out on it 2013-08-18T21:13:04 < zyp> so I just continued on behind it 2013-08-18T21:13:38 < zyp> and suddenly found myself heading down the main road in the middle of a row of tanks, all going 40 kph 2013-08-18T21:13:46 < Tectu> lol 2013-08-18T21:13:49 < emeb_mac> fun! 2013-08-18T21:13:56 < zyp> yeah 2013-08-18T21:14:10 < emeb_mac> just don't slow down 2013-08-18T21:14:19 < Tectu> yeah, don't scratch that tank 2013-08-18T21:14:27 < zyp> 40 kph is pretty slow in the first place :p 2013-08-18T21:14:37 < zyp> annoyingly slow :p 2013-08-18T21:14:40 < emeb_mac> and tanks are hard to pass 2013-08-18T21:14:57 < zyp> not really, but I got no opportunities 2013-08-18T21:15:11 < Tectu> I hope it was something bigger than a twingo 2013-08-18T21:15:23 < Tectu> in camuflage 2013-08-18T21:15:30 < zyp> and there were no other roads I could take either 2013-08-18T21:16:37 < zyp> so figuring my fastest option were just to stay in line, I did that :p 2013-08-18T21:17:50 < emeb_mac> sometimes we get military convoys on the freeways here. miles & miles of huge trucks with mysterious equipment. slowly trundling up the mountain passes. 2013-08-18T21:18:06 < emeb_mac> usually not too hard to pass though. 2013-08-18T21:18:15 < Tectu> mysterious equipement? 2013-08-18T21:18:20 < Tectu> a machine gun and some flares? 2013-08-18T21:18:33 < Tectu> or railguns and laser stuff? :P 2013-08-18T21:18:44 < Tectu> (choose your words carefully, NSA is listening) 2013-08-18T21:19:05 < emeb_mac> :) 2013-08-18T21:19:16 < emeb_mac> lumpy bundles under tarps 2013-08-18T21:19:17 < zyp> I met cars driving in the other direction every time I would have enough sight to pass 2013-08-18T21:19:41 < Tectu> you met them? 2013-08-18T21:19:50 < zyp> not physically 2013-08-18T21:19:51 < Tectu> people use the term "Our cars kissed" for that here 2013-08-18T21:19:53 < Tectu> aah 2013-08-18T21:20:08 < emeb_mac> euphemisms 2013-08-18T21:20:25 < emeb_mac> kissing usually doesn't cave your face in. If you do it right 2013-08-18T21:20:32 < zyp> heh 2013-08-18T21:20:49 < zyp> I've never hit another car while driving 2013-08-18T21:20:56 < zyp> intending to keep it that way 2013-08-18T21:21:02 < emeb_mac> knock on wood 2013-08-18T21:21:04 <+Steffanx> You did while not driving? 2013-08-18T21:21:57 < Tectu> «awkward silence» 2013-08-18T21:22:06 < zyp> not that I can remember 2013-08-18T21:22:12 <+Steffanx> How you call it in english when you are a passenger? You're not driving at the moment, but it has a name? 2013-08-18T21:22:20 < gxti> once i hit a car with my hand 2013-08-18T21:22:22 <+Steffanx> *word 2013-08-18T21:22:26 < gxti> i wasn't driving, so that counts i guess 2013-08-18T21:22:33 <+Steffanx> haha gxti:D 2013-08-18T21:23:02 < zyp> I've driven my car into a ditch though 2013-08-18T21:23:12 < Tectu> why? 2013-08-18T21:23:19 < gxti> the only accident i've been in recently i was stopped and had been for some time 2013-08-18T21:23:25 <+Steffanx> I hope you have the excuse.. like snow, ice etc? 2013-08-18T21:23:33 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-18T21:23:38 < zyp> I figured that I'd rather do it properly, so I went into the ditches on both sides of the road at the same time 2013-08-18T21:24:03 < zyp> (ok, I didn't figure that, but that's what happened) 2013-08-18T21:24:07 < gxti> it was really impressive, some teenage girl in a suv came out from a side street *from a stop* and plowed into the side of a pickup 2013-08-18T21:24:10 < Tectu> here some german tank skills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oxpgaQB2Guw&t=23 2013-08-18T21:24:18 < Tectu> (00:30) 2013-08-18T21:25:05 < Tectu> gxti, did you punish her? 2013-08-18T21:25:37 < zyp> Steffanx, I don't like making excuses, so I blame everything on myself 2013-08-18T21:25:55 < zyp> if I weren't driving like a dumbfuck, that wouldn't have happened. 2013-08-18T21:26:15 < Tectu> I'm sorry... I don't really get it... were you drunk? 2013-08-18T21:26:20 < zyp> no, just dumb 2013-08-18T21:26:35 < Tectu> can you explain? 2013-08-18T21:26:51 <+Steffanx> Tectu doesn't know how it feels to be dump. 2013-08-18T21:26:51 <+Steffanx> b 2013-08-18T21:26:56 < zyp> no, I don't really understand it myself :p 2013-08-18T21:26:59 < gxti> dump. 2013-08-18T21:27:01 < emeb_mac> gxti: I've had teenage girls drive their parent's cars through my block wall - twice 2013-08-18T21:27:24 < Tectu> emeb_mac, what the fuck. 2013-08-18T21:27:24 < emeb_mac> I've saved the phone number of the masonry guy. 2013-08-18T21:27:27 <+Steffanx> emeb_mac lives on the worst place in the street you can live at? 2013-08-18T21:27:37 < gxti> no he just likes to build block walls in the middle of the road 2013-08-18T21:27:38 < Tectu> emeb_mac, twice' where do you live? next to a highway corner? 2013-08-18T21:27:59 < emeb_mac> Steffanx: we're starting to wonder. 2013-08-18T21:28:16 < emeb_mac> Tectu: From two different directions no less. 2013-08-18T21:28:32 < Tectu> I see it in front of me... 22pm on a nice, warm saturday, clear sky, "baaaam". emeb_mac picks the phone, dials... "Yes, it happened again" 2013-08-18T21:28:36 < zyp> I can maybe call it testing the limits of the road friction, and then I suddenly found the limit :p 2013-08-18T21:28:41 <+Steffanx> or your son ( if you have one) is an total ass emeb_mac :P 2013-08-18T21:28:50 < emeb_mac> Steffanx: no kids 2013-08-18T21:28:56 < Tectu> zyp, did you try to drift? 2013-08-18T21:29:03 < Tectu> Steffanx, lol'd 2013-08-18T21:29:14 < Tectu> emeb_mac, see, if you'd have done the swiss army thing, you might have kids now 2013-08-18T21:29:28 < zyp> Tectu, I don't think you could call it drifting, but it's probably related 2013-08-18T21:29:50 < emeb_mac> Tectu: you're not selling me on it. Happy w/o kids. 2013-08-18T21:29:51 < Tectu> zyp, and you did it on purpose? 2013-08-18T21:29:53 <+Steffanx> zyp tried to impress the girls. 2013-08-18T21:30:26 < zyp> Tectu, I was being dumb on purpose, but the resulting loss of control of the car was not on purpose 2013-08-18T21:30:33 < Tectu> emeb_mac, no offense, but I really don't try to get an american into the swiss army ;-) 2013-08-18T21:30:34 < zyp> Steffanx, weren't any girls there 2013-08-18T21:30:48 < emeb_mac> Tectu: heh 2013-08-18T21:30:48 < Tectu> zyp tried to impress himself? 2013-08-18T21:30:59 <+Steffanx> or he just was going for a new car. 2013-08-18T21:31:01 < zyp> not sure what I tried :p 2013-08-18T21:31:03 < zyp> heh 2013-08-18T21:31:07 < emeb_mac> swiss army wouldn't have wanted me @ age 18. 2013-08-18T21:31:09 < zyp> I actually drive the same car today 2013-08-18T21:31:15 < zyp> I just had to fix it with a sledgehammer 2013-08-18T21:31:24 < Tectu> emeb_mac, do you want to talk about it? 2013-08-18T21:31:42 <+Steffanx> So your conclusion is the only good one. Being dumb it was :) 2013-08-18T21:31:44 < Tectu> "fix" - if oyu know what I mean 2013-08-18T21:31:46 < emeb_mac> Tectu: just badly out of shape then. 2013-08-18T21:31:58 < zyp> Steffanx, yep 2013-08-18T21:32:03 < Tectu> emeb_mac, well... american documentaries tell me that it might not be better by now 2013-08-18T21:32:09 < Tectu> zyp, I hope you wouldn't do it again? 2013-08-18T21:32:26 < zyp> the moral of the story is «don't be dumb» 2013-08-18T21:32:44 < Tectu> zyp, it's good that you stand behind yourself and tell us about your decision to be dumb, never the less, no ice cream for you tonday! 2013-08-18T21:32:57 < zyp> :p 2013-08-18T21:32:57 <+Steffanx> Tectu has to go into the swiss army ( too lazy to read back ) 2013-08-18T21:32:59 <+Steffanx> ? 2013-08-18T21:33:17 < emeb_mac> swiss navy? 2013-08-18T21:33:26 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-18T21:33:30 < Tectu> Steffanx, you wouldn't find in the backlog either 2013-08-18T21:33:31 < mervaka> ererere 2013-08-18T21:33:31 <+Steffanx> in the pool in the backyard. 2013-08-18T21:33:47 < emeb_mac> aircraft carriers on Lk. Geneva 2013-08-18T21:34:02 <+Steffanx> So that's a no Tectu? 2013-08-18T21:34:13 < Tectu> Steffanx, well 2013-08-18T21:34:30 < zyp> Tectu, so you have never done something utterly dumb? :p 2013-08-18T21:34:34 < jpa-> Steffanx: Tectu already had his balls fondled, but it is not certain if they were good enough for the army 2013-08-18T21:34:42 < Tectu> zyp, I am not sure if I want to talk about it ;-) 2013-08-18T21:34:46 < Tectu> zyp, I have, sadly not only a single time 2013-08-18T21:34:47 < zyp> exactly 2013-08-18T21:34:52 <+Steffanx> Im not sure if i'm glad there is no need for it here anymore. 2013-08-18T21:34:56 < Tectu> zyp, but it wasn't really the same thing more than once - just to be clear there :D 2013-08-18T21:34:57 <+Steffanx> It probably a nice experience :) 2013-08-18T21:35:09 < zyp> everybody have some «what the fuck was I thinking» moments :p 2013-08-18T21:35:25 * emeb_mac has them once a day 2013-08-18T21:35:29 < Tectu> zyp, well, most of the time it's "wtf wasn't I thinking" 2013-08-18T21:35:33 < Tectu> (for me) 2013-08-18T21:35:42 < Tectu> emeb_mac, when someone crashed your wall again? :D 2013-08-18T21:35:46 < mervaka> damn, knew i should have accepted the pornstar job offer. 2013-08-18T21:36:06 <+Steffanx> you are still young mervaka 2013-08-18T21:36:06 < emeb_mac> Tectu: we've considered putting up bollards 2013-08-18T21:36:15 < Tectu> Steffanx, I am not against the army and I want to serve, but not now. I gave them some pretty good reasons not to take me into the mandatory service. I also don't have to do civil service 2013-08-18T21:36:17 < mervaka> Steffanx: true. 2013-08-18T21:36:19 < emeb_mac> but that would likely invite lawsuits 2013-08-18T21:36:39 <+Steffanx> bastard, Tectu 2013-08-18T21:36:57 < Tectu> Steffanx, I wouldn't say that 2013-08-18T21:37:09 <+Steffanx> I did :) 2013-08-18T21:37:47 < Tectu> Steffanx, you would fit the army pretty well :) 2013-08-18T21:38:03 < Tectu> zyp, I start to feel bad... was that seriously the only dumb thing you ever did? :o 2013-08-18T21:38:14 <+Steffanx> Tectu, maybe. 2013-08-18T21:38:26 <+Steffanx> but only for a short time. 2013-08-18T21:40:56 < Tectu> how so? 2013-08-18T21:41:25 <+Steffanx> because the army in general sucks ass? 2013-08-18T21:41:55 < Tectu> you obviously know nothing about the swiss army 2013-08-18T21:42:02 < Tectu> once a week, you get a free pack of cookies! 2013-08-18T21:42:06 <+Steffanx> w00t 2013-08-18T21:42:08 < qyx_> wuuuu 2013-08-18T21:44:58 < emeb_mac> and those bitchin' knives! 2013-08-18T21:45:30 <+Steffanx> Not every week.. 2013-08-18T21:45:36 < zyp> Tectu, probably not :) 2013-08-18T21:45:36 <+Steffanx> Those knives should last forever. 2013-08-18T21:46:15 < Tectu> they do 2013-08-18T21:46:40 <+Steffanx> Not in my hands 2013-08-18T21:46:44 < zyp> Tectu, but probably the time with the largest consequences 2013-08-18T21:51:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-18T22:10:41 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T22:14:53 -!- grummund_ [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-18T22:18:08 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T22:20:33 -!- Joker_ [d5f22ee2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.46.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-18T22:27:12 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.9] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T22:35:16 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-18T22:36:30 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-87-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T22:53:32 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-134-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T22:55:09 < Tectu> Steffanx, how comes? 2013-08-18T22:55:22 < Tectu> zyp, anyone seriously injured? 2013-08-18T22:55:42 < zyp> nobody injured at all 2013-08-18T22:56:30 < Tectu> good. 2013-08-18T22:56:33 < zyp> just damaged the car a bit 2013-08-18T22:56:44 < Tectu> then you seriously never did anything stupid in your life, if this had the largest damage/consequences 2013-08-18T22:56:46 < zyp> had to replace a few parts and straighten out some of the body with a sledgehammer 2013-08-18T22:57:15 <+Steffanx> Have recent pics of you car? 2013-08-18T23:00:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-18T23:01:06 < zyp> hmm, can't find any 2013-08-18T23:01:48 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/3PFVM.JPG <- most recent pic of the car would be this, and that's already 1.5 years ago :p 2013-08-18T23:01:50 < Tectu> probably you have a messy problem? 2013-08-18T23:02:02 < Tectu> I think 1.5 years is a very recent picture for a car 2013-08-18T23:02:09 < Tectu> holy crap what is that 2013-08-18T23:02:16 < zyp> that's an exhaust leak :p 2013-08-18T23:02:22 < Tectu> looks like something that Laurenceb would post 2013-08-18T23:03:15 < zyp> exhaust pipe rusted through all the way next to a joint, so the upper part were just sitting loose on top of the lower part :p 2013-08-18T23:03:17 <+Steffanx> That's not the kind of pics i was looking for zyp 2013-08-18T23:03:26 < zyp> sorry, that's the only one I have 2013-08-18T23:03:50 < zyp> well, only two, I also have this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/meixV.JPG 2013-08-18T23:04:10 < zyp> same shit, only with the upper pipe not lifted 2013-08-18T23:04:24 < Tectu> do you actually store these kind of information? 2013-08-18T23:04:27 <+Steffanx> Volvo not? 2013-08-18T23:04:35 < zyp> yep 2013-08-18T23:04:43 < zyp> Tectu, store what? 2013-08-18T23:05:14 < Tectu> zyp, these pictures 2013-08-18T23:05:43 < zyp> my car were getting loud, so I decided to take a look, and when I discovered how bad it was, I grabbed a camera to take a pic to show a couple of friends :p 2013-08-18T23:06:02 < zyp> and I don't delete pics, disk space is cheap 2013-08-18T23:06:33 < Tectu> "Yo man, I am sooo hardcore, watch my exhaust pipe man" 2013-08-18T23:06:39 < zyp> :p 2013-08-18T23:07:02 < zyp> I don't delete much at all, I just buy more drives as they fill up 2013-08-18T23:07:16 < zyp> I might have mentioned that I just bought 11 3TB-drives :p 2013-08-18T23:07:26 < Tectu> oh gosh... 2013-08-18T23:07:31 < Tectu> how many pictures of this kind do you have? 2013-08-18T23:07:48 <+Steffanx> zyp spends money on crap he could spend on a new car as well :P 2013-08-18T23:07:50 < Tectu> actually, I am really interested how you handle that. I assume that you have a lot of trashy pictures too. I couldn't yet find a way to organize all my photos 2013-08-18T23:07:52 < Tectu> so I just delete them 2013-08-18T23:07:53 <+Steffanx> or at least to fix this one better :P 2013-08-18T23:07:54 < zyp> dunno, I don't sort my pics by «this kind» and «that kind» 2013-08-18T23:08:06 < Tectu> but? 2013-08-18T23:08:30 <+Steffanx> by date + good memory? 2013-08-18T23:08:55 < zyp> Steffanx, something like that 2013-08-18T23:09:20 < Tectu> 10 TB like that? 2013-08-18T23:09:24 < Tectu> zyp, any picture of your "NAS"? 2013-08-18T23:09:31 < Tectu> what cases takes 11 drives 2013-08-18T23:09:39 < zyp> 16 2013-08-18T23:09:45 < zyp> the rest are 1.5TB drives 2013-08-18T23:09:47 < Tectu> also, is it just a fileserver or do you run other stuff too? 2013-08-18T23:09:51 < Tectu> and just pricate? 2013-08-18T23:09:53 < Tectu> private* 2013-08-18T23:10:39 < zyp> I don't have any pics of the new one, but the old one looks like this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ihnnt.JPG 2013-08-18T23:11:08 < Tectu> what's the smaller box on top of the big one (at the bottom) 2013-08-18T23:11:24 < zyp> FC switch 2013-08-18T23:11:28 < Tectu> do you have any UPS? 2013-08-18T23:11:31 < Tectu> what's 'FC'? 2013-08-18T23:11:34 < Tectu> fibrecable? 2013-08-18T23:11:36 < zyp> fibre channel 2013-08-18T23:11:56 < Tectu> is that rack something you can buy or DIY? Actually it just looks like an abused drawer 2013-08-18T23:12:08 <+Steffanx> i like the rock in zyp's basement. 2013-08-18T23:12:12 < zyp> correct 2013-08-18T23:12:20 < zyp> it's some shit from ikea :p 2013-08-18T23:12:24 < Tectu> Steffanx, I hope that you never get awake in it 2013-08-18T23:12:44 < Tectu> zyp, you buy serious rack hardware like that, with 16 drives, but don't spend 500$ on a serious rack? 2013-08-18T23:12:45 <+Steffanx> Didn't you have part of a rock in your basement zyp? 2013-08-18T23:12:46 < zyp> I didn't have an ups at the time, but I do now, bought one along with the new server 2013-08-18T23:12:47 < Tectu> screw you hard. 2013-08-18T23:12:51 <+Steffanx> As in real rock, not some ikea part 2013-08-18T23:13:03 < Tectu> lol 2013-08-18T23:13:19 < zyp> anyway, I'll run out and take a couple of pics of the new toys :p 2013-08-18T23:13:38 < Tectu> please 2013-08-18T23:13:48 < Tectu> but again... is that just your private file server? 2013-08-18T23:13:57 < zyp> yep 2013-08-18T23:14:00 < Tectu> I just have a normal ATX box with three server drives, 2TB each 2013-08-18T23:14:17 < Tectu> and a fucking big ass UPS (for that box) 2013-08-18T23:14:19 <+Steffanx> but you have a slow internet connection.. who needs more 2013-08-18T23:14:20 <+Steffanx> ? 2013-08-18T23:14:26 < Tectu> it can drive that server for 62 minutes 2013-08-18T23:14:34 < Tectu> Steffanx do not do that. 2013-08-18T23:14:44 < Tectu> Steffanx, nobody has to know that I only have 10M down and 1M up 2013-08-18T23:14:48 <+Steffanx> Im story mr Tectu 2013-08-18T23:15:16 < Tectu> I think I have to throw you from board 2013-08-18T23:15:24 < Tectu> off the board* 2013-08-18T23:15:58 < Tectu> zyp, also, what are those two flat RJ45 cables that go to the switch? those flat cables are normally not shielded, no? 2013-08-18T23:18:49 < zyp> doesn't need to be 2013-08-18T23:18:56 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/EA1Hc.JPG 2013-08-18T23:19:02 <+Steffanx> See, the rock :D 2013-08-18T23:19:11 < zyp> Steffanx, it rocks 2013-08-18T23:19:14 < Tectu> zyp, yes, so what does it do? 2013-08-18T23:19:22 < Tectu> Steffanx, many many many caves here have that too 2013-08-18T23:19:29 < zyp> Tectu, do? it's a normal network cable 2013-08-18T23:19:35 < Tectu> but usually just as a regular wall... quite a little gap there 2013-08-18T23:19:36 <+Steffanx> but this is a house. not a cave mr Tectu 2013-08-18T23:19:37 < zyp> cat6 2013-08-18T23:19:51 < Tectu> Steffanx, isn't a cave == basement? 2013-08-18T23:19:55 < Tectu> Because I meant basement. 2013-08-18T23:19:57 <+Steffanx> unless you call your basement a men cave. 2013-08-18T23:20:23 < Tectu> I thought basement is when you don't have your "basement/cave" below the ground, and cave if it is 2013-08-18T23:20:26 <+Steffanx> I do like your ikea rack zyp 2013-08-18T23:20:47 < Tectu> zyp, is that APC box on the top your UPS? 2013-08-18T23:20:50 < zyp> yep 2013-08-18T23:20:57 <+Steffanx> http://www.uwec.edu/jolhm/eh/below/Images/Mammoth_Cave_Entrance.jpg that is what i call a cave mr Tectu 2013-08-18T23:21:14 < Tectu> zyp, how much watts does it have? can you seriously drive those two boxes with it? 2013-08-18T23:21:29 < zyp> I don't, I only run the new server from it 2013-08-18T23:21:46 < Tectu> Steffanx, I honestly don't care what you call a cave, I want to know what the correct native english word would be 2013-08-18T23:22:00 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-134-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-18T23:22:00 < Tectu> zyp, how much does one of those servers cost, when I might ask 2013-08-18T23:22:26 <+Steffanx> cellar perhaps? 2013-08-18T23:22:29 < Tectu> zyp, why do you take racks when you don't have a rack? That's why I take normal ATX towers. There are some especially designed for server stuff where you can fit in many many many drives 2013-08-18T23:23:04 < zyp> the new one is just this: http://www.norcotek.com/RPC-3216.php 2013-08-18T23:23:14 < zyp> contains a normal atx motherboard 2013-08-18T23:23:35 < Tectu> do you have a SAS PCIe card? 2013-08-18T23:23:41 < Tectu> aren't those expensive as fuck? 2013-08-18T23:23:45 < zyp> and the old ones is some old enterprise shit I picked up on ebay 2013-08-18T23:24:09 < zyp> yeah, got a LSI 9201-16i for the new server 2013-08-18T23:24:20 < Tectu> zyp, how does that work with the 16 drives + heat? 2013-08-18T23:24:28 < Tectu> Mine get quite warm, and I have a 120mm fan in front of them 2013-08-18T23:24:30 < zyp> quite affordable, since it's just a HBA, not hardware RAID 2013-08-18T23:24:44 < zyp> Tectu, what part of it? 2013-08-18T23:25:05 < Tectu> zyp, how hot do the drives get? 2013-08-18T23:25:22 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/XGkdO <- not very 2013-08-18T23:25:41 < zyp> the old 1.5TB drives run hotter than the new 3TB drives for some reason 2013-08-18T23:26:02 < Tectu> wouldn't this work as well? hddtemp /dev/slot* 2013-08-18T23:26:13 < zyp> no, that would grab the partitions as well 2013-08-18T23:26:17 < Tectu> maybe hddtemp /dev/slot\* so your shell does not extend 2013-08-18T23:26:23 < Tectu> aah 2013-08-18T23:26:41 < Tectu> so I googled your hostname... 2013-08-18T23:27:01 < zyp> yeah, I have all my machines named after touhou characters 2013-08-18T23:28:17 < Tectu> I hope that they don't behave like them... http://images.wikia.com/villains/images/e/e4/Reiuji.Utsuho.full.430960.jpg 2013-08-18T23:29:07 < Tectu> I have to leave now 2013-08-18T23:29:12 < zyp> have fun 2013-08-18T23:29:13 < Tectu> Have a nice night, guys 2013-08-18T23:29:31 < Tectu> and thanks for all that answers :D 2013-08-18T23:33:02 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-18T23:34:17 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T23:41:58 < karlp> we have the best way of avoiding military service. We decided not to have a military. 2013-08-18T23:43:14 < zyp> who would invade iceland anyway? :p 2013-08-18T23:53:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T23:56:07 < zyp> hmm, it's fun when you look through some old code and come across something which makes you go «huh, how could this even work?» 2013-08-18T23:56:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-18T23:56:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-18T23:56:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Mon Aug 19 2013 2013-08-19T00:08:28 < emeb> good code or bad code? 2013-08-19T00:20:53 < zyp> nah, I figured it out, I just missed something now :p 2013-08-19T00:21:02 < qyx_> zyp: weehee chenbro chassis? 2013-08-19T00:22:25 < zyp> http://www.norcotek.com/RPC-3216.php 2013-08-19T00:24:30 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.98] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-19T00:26:35 < qyx_> huh they have very similar bays 2013-08-19T00:26:37 < qyx_> http://www.servercase.co.uk/Images/DBImages/Products/35_1.JPG 2013-08-19T00:27:25 < zyp> not that many ways to skin a cat 2013-08-19T01:45:02 < emeb> meh. no 20pf caps 2013-08-19T01:45:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T01:47:04 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2013/08/18/liquid-nitrogen-finally-makes-an-arduino-project-cool/ 2013-08-19T01:47:26 < emeb> finally 2013-08-19T01:48:12 < Laurenceb_> haha 65MHz 2013-08-19T01:59:25 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T02:00:45 < qyx_> lol 2013-08-19T02:01:17 < Sync__> well, you can reach around 34 without cooling it 2013-08-19T02:11:44 < dongs> blogs 2013-08-19T02:11:58 < zyp> blags 2013-08-19T02:12:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T02:25:21 < upgrdman> why does the ln help? its not like the mcu gets hot. does it improve parasitics / transistor slew rate / etc? 2013-08-19T02:25:53 < gxti> yes 2013-08-19T02:26:12 < gxti> how it works for CPUs (not sure about embedded) is you can also increase the voltage which makes it more stable but hotter 2013-08-19T02:37:49 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-19T03:00:54 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-19T03:11:23 < emeb> switching speed of transistors is proportional to temperature - cooler = faster. 2013-08-19T03:12:01 < qyx_> btw speaking of temperature 2013-08-19T03:12:20 < qyx_> my f303 is quite warm rinning chibios and 5 timers at 18MHz 2013-08-19T03:12:31 < dongs> blame chibios 2013-08-19T03:12:32 < qyx_> is that normal? 2013-08-19T03:12:53 < emeb> 18MHz? 2013-08-19T03:12:58 < emeb> seems abnormal 2013-08-19T03:13:08 < qyx_> the speed or temperature? 2013-08-19T03:13:15 < dongs> i think he means timers running at 18mhz 2013-08-19T03:13:18 < dongs> not cpu 2013-08-19T03:13:18 < emeb> hot @ 18MHz 2013-08-19T03:13:30 < qyx_> timers are at 18 2013-08-19T03:13:41 < emeb> what's CPU running at? 2013-08-19T03:13:46 < emeb> std 72MHz? 2013-08-19T03:13:48 < qyx_> 72 2013-08-19T03:13:56 < qyx_> tim1 & tim8 are outputting 6pwm 2013-08-19T03:14:05 < emeb> well then, not so strange. 2013-08-19T03:14:50 < qyx_> ok, i was quite surprised 2013-08-19T03:15:07 < emeb> what kind of loads on the pwm outputs? 2013-08-19T03:15:33 < emeb> (or other pins for that matter) 2013-08-19T03:15:43 < emeb> any high currents? 2013-08-19T03:16:44 < qyx_> shouldn't be high, FAN3229 low side drivers 2013-08-19T03:16:59 < qyx_> switching at ~17kHz 2013-08-19T03:17:22 < emeb> cheap display: http://www.buy-display.com/default/5-0-tft-display-screen-mcu-module-with-serial-i2c-parallel-and-ra8875.html 2013-08-19T03:18:47 < dongs> looks rendered 2013-08-19T03:18:51 < emeb> ya 2013-08-19T03:19:01 < dongs> emeb: i got the trash to build in ISE 14.6 (lol after re-generating fifo core) 2013-08-19T03:19:04 < gxti> legit domain name 2013-08-19T03:19:24 < dongs> but its failing at BUFG assigning shit because I think the bigger S3 they targetted it for has more DCMs/clock buffer shits 2013-08-19T03:19:24 < emeb> dongs: fits in a 50k? 2013-08-19T03:19:28 < dongs> yeah sure 2013-08-19T03:19:32 < dongs> but mapping it fails 2013-08-19T03:19:39 < dongs> it only uses like ~20% of 50k 2013-08-19T03:19:43 < emeb> wow 2013-08-19T03:19:58 < emeb> shouldn't be too hard to move the BUFG to one that works in the smaller part 2013-08-19T03:19:59 < dongs> also ISE is complete trash on win8 2013-08-19T03:20:01 < dongs> buggy as fuck 2013-08-19T03:20:08 < dongs> crashing nonstop 2013-08-19T03:20:09 < dongs> lawl 2013-08-19T03:20:14 < emeb> bizarre 2013-08-19T03:20:20 < dongs> i had to run 32 bit version then googled around and im not alone, so some bloggers posted some r ename dlls instructions 2013-08-19T03:20:21 < emeb> works fine in Win7 2013-08-19T03:20:24 < dongs> yeah it does 2013-08-19T03:20:26 < emeb> or linux 2013-08-19T03:20:27 < dongs> 8 is the problem 2013-08-19T03:21:08 < emeb> did you find any better PLLs for the 135MHz? 2013-08-19T03:21:31 < dongs> no but I didnt look either. that last SPI or i2C one you linked will probly do the job 2013-08-19T03:22:33 < emeb> does this design have an MCU on it or is it dumb/standalone? 2013-08-19T03:22:36 < dongs> i dicked around with clock stuff for a bit but it was kinda weird. docs say there's a clock buffer shit in each quadrant, but the code seems to imply there's more than one in 1600k gates version 2013-08-19T03:22:51 < dongs> nah i could put a stm32 on there. 2013-08-19T03:23:17 < dongs> and FPGA shit is just for dicking, i think w/the effort involved it might be cehaper afterall to just use a proper deserializer and cheap cpld to clean it up 2013-08-19T03:23:36 < emeb> huh. 2013-08-19T03:23:46 < emeb> probably true. 2013-08-19T03:23:55 < emeb> but FPGA is kewl! 2013-08-19T03:24:02 < dongs> also expensive and huge 2013-08-19T03:24:12 < dongs> smallest fpga that'll run this trash is like 14x14mm over9000tqfp 2013-08-19T03:24:15 < emeb> the VQ100 pkg is fairly large. 2013-08-19T03:24:20 < dongs> right. 2013-08-19T03:24:43 < dongs> non-xilinx has some nice packages for stuff 2013-08-19T03:25:00 < emeb> but the 50k S3A part is only about $6 2013-08-19T03:25:00 < dongs> lattice and shit, but thier tools probably suck even worse than xilinx 2013-08-19T03:25:05 < dongs> right 2013-08-19T03:25:16 < dongs> oh wait a sec 2013-08-19T03:25:26 < dongs> i was targeting S3E starter kit when building 2013-08-19T03:25:29 < dongs> so thats a 500k one 2013-08-19T03:25:30 < qyx_> you run that s3 on 135MHz? 2013-08-19T03:25:50 < dongs> and ~29% so i guess it still might fit into 50k 2013-08-19T03:25:50 < emeb> so FPGA + PLL is only like $10, compared to $30 genum part 2013-08-19T03:26:05 < dongs> lemme try changing it to 50k and build 2013-08-19T03:26:26 < emeb> hmm... 29% of 500k is more like 150k 2013-08-19T03:26:36 < dongs> is it? 2013-08-19T03:26:38 < dongs> then im fucked 2013-08-19T03:26:49 < dongs> changed, rebuilding 2013-08-19T03:26:54 < emeb> you could use the 200k S3A part - those are like $12 2013-08-19T03:28:09 < emeb> should use S3A vs S3E where possible - simpler power supply scheme. 2013-08-19T03:28:31 < emeb> (only needs +1.2V and +3.3V - no +2.5V required) 2013-08-19T03:28:53 < dongs> hm i remember where i got stuck with the map shit, it was throwing some odd fucking error that made no sense 2013-08-19T03:28:56 < dongs> problem was encountered trying to reconstruct the RLOC_ORIGIN for RPM "hset". The site "SLICE_X108Y150" does not exist on the device. This site resulted from adding the original RLOC_ORIGIN value of "X108Y150" to the RLOCs in the RPM. 2013-08-19T03:29:00 < dongs> ??? 2013-08-19T03:29:21 < emeb> RLOC means that they put a hard location constraint on a macro 2013-08-19T03:29:30 < emeb> probably to get timing to work 2013-08-19T03:29:34 < dongs> whats it called? I searched for hset and shit 2013-08-19T03:29:37 < dongs> nothing in files 2013-08-19T03:29:39 < emeb> you'd have to go into the code and comment it out. 2013-08-19T03:29:46 < emeb> probably in the .ucf file 2013-08-19T03:29:51 < dongs> ucf is all commented out now 2013-08-19T03:29:59 < dongs> oh wait 2013-08-19T03:30:00 < dongs> there it is 2013-08-19T03:30:01 < dongs> was on top 2013-08-19T03:30:45 < dongs> Number of DCMs: 4 out of 2 200% (OVERMAPPED) 2013-08-19T03:30:45 < dongs> lol 2013-08-19T03:30:57 < dongs> oh, right. it needs 4 dcms for the 270mhz clock shit. 2013-08-19T03:31:02 < emeb> aha. 2013-08-19T03:31:08 < emeb> 50k parts are so tiny 2013-08-19T03:31:31 < dongs> lets try 200k 2013-08-19T03:32:04 < dongs> holy shit it worked 2013-08-19T03:32:10 < emeb> nice 2013-08-19T03:32:22 < dongs> at least mapping anyway 2013-08-19T03:32:44 < dongs> crappy 2013-08-19T03:32:57 < dongs> like.. 2013-08-19T03:33:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/eDnM004.png 2013-08-19T03:33:54 < dongs> not a lot used actually, just the clock shit is ht e problem 2013-08-19T03:34:11 < emeb> right 2013-08-19T03:34:45 < emeb> next question is how timing works out when you assign I/Os 2013-08-19T03:36:08 < dongs> heh 2013-08-19T03:36:09 < dongs> Error: 1.043ns delay exceeds 0.700ns timing constraint by 0.343ns 2013-08-19T03:36:23 < emeb> there's the tricky bit 2013-08-19T03:36:49 < emeb> gotta go - bbiaw 2013-08-19T03:36:56 < dongs> have fun 2013-08-19T03:46:43 < dongs> hm the cooktech board uses SI5324D 2013-08-19T04:01:51 < dongs> If you are planning to attend this year’s European Microwave Week in Nuremberg, be sure to stop by the NXP booth 120. European Microwave Week is Europe’s premier Microwave, RF, Wireless and Radar Event. 2013-08-19T04:07:39 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-19T04:11:48 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-19T04:11:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T04:13:06 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-19T04:17:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T04:18:30 < emeb_mac> back 2013-08-19T04:18:48 < emeb_mac> dongs: what speed grade did you use when it missed timing? 2013-08-19T04:24:07 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T04:25:20 < dongs> oh hm 2013-08-19T04:25:26 < dongs> lets see 2013-08-19T04:25:33 < dongs> -4 2013-08-19T04:26:15 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-19T04:26:16 < dongs> lets try at -5 2013-08-19T04:26:28 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T04:27:05 < dongs> Error: 0.887ns delay exceeds 0.700ns timing constraint by 0.187ns 2013-08-19T04:27:07 < dongs> still fale 2013-08-19T04:29:47 < dongs> there's probly a reason they wanted that shit placed in specific place 2013-08-19T04:34:30 < dongs> poor Leo at cypress, only he's been answering my dumb support emails 2013-08-19T04:39:27 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T04:41:11 < dongs> every new schematic they send me, shit looks different 2013-08-19T04:41:45 < emeb_mac> only 187ps off - RLOC would probably work. 2013-08-19T04:42:06 < dongs> yep, probably 2013-08-19T04:42:07 < emeb_mac> if you knew what is optimum - that would take some more work 2013-08-19T04:42:10 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T04:42:16 < dongs> or if I knew anything at all :) 2013-08-19T04:42:30 < emeb_mac> right 2013-08-19T04:42:48 < emeb_mac> (about S3 optimization - it's fiddly) 2013-08-19T04:43:58 < dongs> im gonna try to see what the build looks like on spartan6 just for lulz 2013-08-19T04:46:09 < dongs> haha or not 2013-08-19T04:46:19 < dongs> they hardcoded a bunch of stuff to S3 locations in more sores 2013-08-19T04:46:42 < dongs> attribute rloc of QR:signal is "X"&INTEGER'image(K+K/3+1)&"Y0"; 2013-08-19T04:46:42 < dongs> etc 2013-08-19T04:46:59 < dongs> lool WTF IS THIS SHIT 2013-08-19T04:47:00 < dongs> when 0=>return "{3;1;3s1600efg400;2632ae48!-1;91296;127952;S!0;-2235;456!1;1908;-1000!2;327;0;L!}"; 2013-08-19T04:47:03 < dongs> ????/ 2013-08-19T04:47:32 < dongs> hand optimized hax0r shit 2013-08-19T04:49:10 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T04:53:32 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T04:58:11 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-19T05:09:08 < R2COM> so anyone using ultrasonic cleaners for PCBs? 2013-08-19T05:12:38 < R2COM> (on boards containing Inertial sensors?) 2013-08-19T05:13:03 < zyp> ultrasonic crystal destroyers? 2013-08-19T05:14:33 < R2COM> high freq, low power might not do it 2013-08-19T05:14:56 < R2COM> but might still be enough to clean residues from fine pitch twfps on a board 2013-08-19T05:15:17 < R2COM> but in general ultrasonic cleaning with one frequency is not desired for inertial chips I think 2013-08-19T05:16:50 < zyp> dongs, that looks oddly similar to the kind of C code I've written for obfuscated code contests :p 2013-08-19T05:16:52 < emeb_mac> dongs: lol - VHDL code to send parameters out 2013-08-19T05:18:01 < emeb_mac> looks like it's tuned for a specific type of FPGA. 2013-08-19T05:18:28 < emeb_mac> probably also varies with ISE version :P 2013-08-19T05:18:45 < dongs> pfft 2013-08-19T05:18:50 < dongs> my TI sample shit is here 2013-08-19T05:18:52 < dongs> yep, from digieky 2013-08-19T05:19:17 < R2COM> when 0 kind of doesnt look legit 2013-08-19T05:19:21 < R2COM> '0' if its bit 2013-08-19T05:19:42 < dongs> now i remember 2013-08-19T05:19:45 < dongs> i got some natsemi I2C DAC 2013-08-19T05:19:49 < dongs> and shit wasnt in stock at digikey 2013-08-19T05:19:52 < dongs> but it came from digikey 2013-08-19T05:19:57 < dongs> i raged 2013-08-19T05:20:02 < emeb_mac> crazy 2013-08-19T05:20:42 < dongs> samples look legit. now i just gotta make a board for them. 2013-08-19T05:21:12 < zyp> hmm, I looked through some old obfuscated code 2013-08-19T05:21:14 < emeb_mac> R2COM: could be an integer or natural 2013-08-19T05:21:21 < zyp> *b;c;n;m[5000];*r,*w;f(d){c=*r+d;m[c]-33?b=m[c]-71?b:m+*r:(m[c]=m[*r]+1,*++w=c);}main(X){for(r=w=m+3000;c=m[n]=getchar()+1;X=X+c-12?X:n)*w+=c/84*n++;for(;!b;r++)f(X),f(-X),f(1),f(-1);for(;(c=*b)-84;b+=--c-b[X]?c-b[-X]?c-b[1]?-1:1:-X:X)*b=44;for(r=m;*r;r++)putchar(*r>84?32:*r-1);} 2013-08-19T05:21:31 < emeb_mac> ouch 2013-08-19T05:21:41 < dongs> does that draw a swastika on console 2013-08-19T05:21:55 < zyp> don't remember 2013-08-19T05:21:58 < zyp> probably not 2013-08-19T05:23:40 < dongs> ive looked at like 4 refrence schematics for this sdi crap and i see wildly different valuaes for DC blocking caps on differential lines 2013-08-19T05:23:55 < dongs> from 0.1uF to 4.7uF (and *requiring* tantalum 4.7uf) 2013-08-19T05:24:00 < dongs> does it actually make any fucking difference? 2013-08-19T05:24:37 < emeb_mac> depends on frequency of signal 2013-08-19T05:24:44 < emeb_mac> I assume it's really fast 2013-08-19T05:24:53 < dongs> well, it'd be 270mhz 2013-08-19T05:25:18 < dongs> my TV shit used 0.1uF... i am looking at this hotlink board that also used 0.1uF. I've seen 1uF, 4.7uF regular, 4.7uF polarized tantalum. 2013-08-19T05:25:39 < zyp> isn't tantalums somewhere in between electrolytics and ceramics? 2013-08-19T05:25:56 < dongs> http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/signal-integrity/4370469/DC-blocking-capacitor-performance reading 2013-08-19T05:25:56 < R2COM> usually tantals hold their values for lower frequencies than c0g ceramic caps, or x7r ceramic caps 2013-08-19T05:29:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-19T05:39:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T05:49:15 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-19T05:51:40 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-19T05:52:21 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T06:07:49 -!- R2COM1 [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T06:10:57 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-19T06:21:01 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-19T06:21:10 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T06:30:30 < emeb_mac> ohnoes - volcanos erupting in JP 2013-08-19T06:30:38 < dongs> good. 2013-08-19T06:30:39 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T06:30:54 < dongs> 37C outside 2013-08-19T06:30:57 < dongs> might as well be inside a volcano 2013-08-19T06:31:16 < dongs> lol kagoshima 2013-08-19T06:31:22 < dongs> thats like a couple hours drive frfom here. 2013-08-19T06:32:24 < emeb_mac> ya - just looked it up 2013-08-19T06:32:45 < emeb_mac> like 100mi south of you 2013-08-19T06:33:27 < emeb_mac> I was about 100mi from St. Helens when it went off. 2013-08-19T06:33:38 < dongs> what the fuck with a lot of big websites using citrix netscaler 2013-08-19T06:33:42 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.16] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T06:33:44 < dongs> googling what hte fuck that is 2013-08-19T06:33:59 < dongs> NetScaler 10 2013-08-19T06:34:00 < dongs> The world’s most advanced cloud network platform, featuring TriScale technology 2013-08-19T06:34:02 < dongs> yaaaaaa 2013-08-19T06:34:09 < emeb_mac> marketspeak 2013-08-19T06:34:56 < dongs> Citrix NetScaler is an all-in-one web application delivery controller that makes applications run five times better, reduces web application ownership costs, optimizes the user experience, and makes sure that applications are always available by using: 2013-08-19T06:35:56 < emeb_mac> some sort of virtualization? 2013-08-19T06:36:01 < dongs> no clue 2013-08-19T06:36:10 < dongs> people dont sell shit that makes sense anymore 2013-08-19T06:37:24 < zyp> probably just a caching proxy 2013-08-19T07:05:26 -!- R2COM1 is now known as R2COM 2013-08-19T07:05:58 < dongs> blogging proxyt 2013-08-19T07:07:30 < ddrown> yeah, netscalar is a load balancer that has all sorts of features added on 2013-08-19T07:10:18 < R2COM> dongs: thats good, you can reflow your pcbs in volcano and save some cash 2013-08-19T07:35:38 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-107-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T07:35:46 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-87-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T07:38:34 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-107-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-19T07:56:24 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-5-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T08:08:48 < dongs> http://w01.tp1.jp/~a571632211/cyhard00948.jpg holy fucking shit 2013-08-19T08:10:45 < dongs> http://w01.tp1.jp/~a571632211/romemu/cyhard01592.jpg 2013-08-19T08:12:17 < upgrdman> looks like fun 2013-08-19T08:12:31 < upgrdman> even more fun than my single-sided pcbs 2013-08-19T08:19:06 < R2COM> that is a real ghetto 2013-08-19T08:19:12 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-5-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-19T08:19:23 < R2COM> is that cap a decoupling one on 1st pic? 2013-08-19T08:19:39 < R2COM> becvause decoupling cap connected with such wires wont ahve any effect xD 2013-08-19T08:21:29 < bsdfox\> that looks like a good use of time 2013-08-19T08:25:20 < bsdfox\> wtf gcc-arm-none-eabi doesn't respect volatile flags properly on -O0? works fine on -Os which I forgot I changed on my Makefile a couple days back 2013-08-19T08:28:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-19T08:49:11 < dongs> /nick deadfox 2013-08-19T08:50:00 < jpa-> bsdfox\: how so? it shouldn't optimize anything at -O0, so volatile doesn't matter much 2013-08-19T08:50:13 < dongs> uh 2013-08-19T08:50:19 < dongs> except the part where you'd want volatile for register access 2013-08-19T08:50:44 < jpa-> yes, you want it, but doesn't really make much of a difference at -O0 anyway 2013-08-19T08:50:49 < dongs> ?? 2013-08-19T08:51:00 < dongs> you mean that it shouldn't optimize it out? 2013-08-19T08:51:05 < dongs> maybe some gcc fuckup heh 2013-08-19T08:51:29 < bsdfox\> jpa-, I was setting a flag in an interrupt vector and it wasn't clearing properly in main after I processed it (outside the interrupt routine) 2013-08-19T08:51:38 < bsdfox\> I don't think it should optimize it out at -O0 either... 2013-08-19T08:52:13 < jpa-> bsdfox\: race condition, maybe? 2013-08-19T08:52:53 < bsdfox\> jpa-, don't think so.. I struggled with it for a couple hours and narrowed it down 2013-08-19T08:53:06 < bsdfox\> changing to -Os seemed to fix it 2013-08-19T08:53:15 < bsdfox\> I didn't look at the asm.. I might tomorrow 2013-08-19T08:53:44 < jpa-> yeah, it is probably worth it 2013-08-19T08:54:01 < jpa-> sometimes when i have suspected a bug in gcc, it has just been a very elusive bug in my own code 2013-08-19T08:55:44 < bsdfox\> I write very buggy code so that's quite likely :) 2013-08-19T08:56:20 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T09:06:07 -!- Joker_ [6d6c3c04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.60.4] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T09:10:14 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.245.175] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T09:10:17 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-19T09:13:57 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.246.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-19T09:32:23 < R2COM> BSEE stands for Bullshit EE right 2013-08-19T09:34:23 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-19T09:36:35 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T09:36:50 < emeb_mac> and proud of it 2013-08-19T09:38:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T09:41:18 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-19T09:49:01 < R2COM> emeb_mac: you got yours before WWII probably? 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2013-08-19T12:34:04 < zyp> UC3A 2013-08-19T12:34:18 < Laurenceb> ah 2013-08-19T12:34:23 < Laurenceb> interesting 2013-08-19T12:38:13 < zyp> huh, this pin muxing stuff is weird 2013-08-19T12:38:37 < zyp> apparently there's four different options per pin, i.e. two bits, and they put all the low bits in one register and the high bits in another 2013-08-19T12:39:42 < zyp> so when you want to change the function of a single pin, you still have to write both registers 2013-08-19T12:41:10 < zyp> they also have set, clear and toggle registers for each register in the gpio block, that's neat enough 2013-08-19T12:45:15 < zyp> hmm, looks like there's actually only three options per pin 2013-08-19T12:45:29 < zyp> nothing like stm32s 16 :p 2013-08-19T12:54:47 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T12:59:54 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T13:21:33 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251131679516 hm 2013-08-19T13:23:46 < zyp> preparing for the next power crisis? :p 2013-08-19T13:23:57 < dongs> i bought 500W solar panel kit from chinks 2013-08-19T13:24:51 < dongs> paypal and free fedex, couldnt resist 2013-08-19T13:24:54 <+Steffanx> Dongs goes green? 2013-08-19T13:25:35 < dongs> i guess there isnt gonna be a proper DC power supply for server case 2013-08-19T13:25:40 < dongs> maybe I should just make one 2013-08-19T13:26:05 < dongs> that one is too cheap, plus no 5/12V molex outputs 2013-08-19T13:26:18 < dongs> and wattage is a bit risky, i'd probly want at least 500W 2013-08-19T13:26:32 < dongs> could be a nice dickstarter proj 2013-08-19T13:33:03 <+dekar_> zyp, can't you use bitbanding on the STM32 to toggle single pins without masking? 2013-08-19T13:35:21 < dongs> yes 2013-08-19T13:35:48 < zyp> dekar_, in a shitty way, yes 2013-08-19T13:36:02 < dongs> shitty? 2013-08-19T13:36:03 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-19T13:36:09 < dongs> i didnt have problme with shittiness in bitbanding 2013-08-19T13:36:11 < dongs> whats shitty aobut it? 2013-08-19T13:37:03 < zyp> bitbanding is a feature of the cpu core, which means that you still do a read-modify-write on the bus, just like if you had done it separately 2013-08-19T13:37:15 < dongs> oh. 2013-08-19T13:37:20 < dongs> pfft 2013-08-19T13:37:29 < dongs> better use AVR32 then 2013-08-19T13:37:50 < zyp> heh 2013-08-19T13:37:54 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T13:37:59 < zyp> it's not like stm32 doesn't have the BSRR register 2013-08-19T13:38:24 < dongs> zyp, but with bitbanding, if you set several ports at once, does it also immediately set them? 2013-08-19T13:38:29 < dongs> or is it delayed in order 2013-08-19T13:38:47 < trepidaciousMBR> I was wondering about tracking the time that an STM32F4 has been powered on (in total, since manufacture) by incrementing a backup domain register every second. Does that seem reasonable? 2013-08-19T13:40:40 < zyp> does your backup domain have a backup power source? 2013-08-19T13:41:09 < zyp> how do you handle backup power outages? 2013-08-19T13:42:00 < trepidaciousMBR> zyp: Yup, I have a battery on VBAT 2013-08-19T13:42:19 < zyp> and what do you do when the battery is empty? 2013-08-19T13:42:21 < trepidaciousMBR> my main concern is what happens if the register is being written as main power is lost 2013-08-19T13:42:28 < trepidaciousMBR> zyp: Just stop tracking on-time 2013-08-19T13:42:47 < zyp> I would assume the register write would be atomic 2013-08-19T13:42:56 < zyp> either it goes through completely or it's lost 2013-08-19T13:42:59 < trepidaciousMBR> That would be good 2013-08-19T13:44:21 < trepidaciousMBR> Alternatively I could probably do something with multiple registers to detect partial writes 2013-08-19T13:44:41 < trepidaciousMBR> e.g. use 4 registers, and write a pair of them on each one-second tick, then alternate to the other pair 2013-08-19T13:44:58 < trepidaciousMBR> If on startup there is a mismatched pair, I use the other pair 2013-08-19T13:45:12 < trepidaciousMBR> Otherwise I use the largest pair 2013-08-19T13:46:30 < trepidaciousMBR> I do have eeprom, so if I wrote to it quite often, I could protect against battery empty, but that would mean lots more writing to EEPROM, and I think I can just tolerate losing the on-time when battery dies. 2013-08-19T13:48:16 < jpa-> i would expect it to be atomic also 2013-08-19T13:48:19 -!- Joker_ [6d6c3c04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.108.60.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-19T13:48:59 < trepidaciousMBR> The EEPROM writing is non-atomic, it erases a page then writes it back over a few ms, power loss could give a partial write, etc. 2013-08-19T13:49:05 < jpa-> you could also write the latest value to eeprom every time you power on 2013-08-19T13:49:14 < jpa-> yeah, eeprom write is non-atomic 2013-08-19T13:49:23 < jpa-> i was still talking about backup domain 2013-08-19T13:49:26 < trepidaciousMBR> jpa-: Ah sorry you meant backup register is atomic :) 2013-08-19T13:49:30 < trepidaciousMBR> Doh :) 2013-08-19T13:49:36 < jpa-> yeah, catching up with backlog :P 2013-08-19T13:50:56 < trepidaciousMBR> Yup I think that backup register write every second and occasional EEPROM write would be fine, do you think there might be docs about atomicity somewhere? 2013-08-19T13:52:16 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/19/lohan_flying_truss/ 2013-08-19T13:52:19 < Laurenceb> noob update 2013-08-19T13:52:20 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.130.24] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T13:52:47 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR: hmm.. haven't seen any docs on it 2013-08-19T13:54:07 < Laurenceb> " 4 metre length of 10mm diameter aluminium rod and a tube of similar dimensions, but they quickly went banana-shaped, revealing they just weren't rigid enough for the job:" 2013-08-19T13:54:12 * Laurenceb facepalms 2013-08-19T13:54:58 <+Steffanx> A IRC-pro has spoken :P 2013-08-19T13:56:43 -!- trepidaciousN4 [~yaaic@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T14:02:14 < Laurenceb> http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3323/sdafasdffd3.jpg 2013-08-19T14:07:07 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/products/memory/serialSRAM/home.html 2013-08-19T14:07:08 < dongs> what. 2013-08-19T14:10:10 < Laurenceb> lulwut 2013-08-19T14:10:49 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-73-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T14:11:54 < trepidaciousMBR> Serial NVSRAM looks quite nice 2013-08-19T14:12:09 < trepidaciousMBR> as an alternative to flash or eeprom 2013-08-19T14:12:51 < Laurenceb> needs a battery 2013-08-19T14:12:58 < trepidaciousMBR> Yup, but if you have one anyway 2013-08-19T14:13:01 < Laurenceb> might was well use backup on stm32 2013-08-19T14:13:49 < trepidaciousMBR> Yup, if 4KiB is enough, they go up to 128KiB 2013-08-19T14:16:10 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T14:16:50 < trepidaciousMBR> but yup, a bit weird :) 2013-08-19T14:17:13 < Laurenceb> just get one of the crazy silabs things 2013-08-19T14:17:25 < Laurenceb> and backup all the ram with like 1µA or whatever 2013-08-19T14:19:58 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-19T14:20:08 < Laurenceb> hi 2013-08-19T14:20:17 < Laurenceb> welcome to the troll channel 2013-08-19T14:20:37 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.130.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-19T14:20:48 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.133.26] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T14:21:14 < trepidaciousMBR> This channel is full of unicorns and rainbows compared to e.g. ##java 2013-08-19T14:21:20 < Posterdati> please help, I'm trying to write a register in the 0x50000000 area, so I declared a register structure of bitfield and the variable as __IO, accessing the variable won't change the bit values 2013-08-19T14:22:26 < trepidaciousMBR> Look at the STM library code and see how that does it? 2013-08-19T14:22:42 < Posterdati> I did so 2013-08-19T14:23:24 < trepidaciousMBR> You can see it's not changed because you read the register before and after writing it? 2013-08-19T14:23:38 < Posterdati> no 2013-08-19T14:23:57 < Posterdati> gdb reads all 0 for 0x50000000 area (stm32f107) 2013-08-19T14:24:08 < karlp> and what's the 0x5xxxx area? 2013-08-19T14:24:13 < karlp> and did you turn it's clock on? 2013-08-19T14:24:13 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=988_1376903085 at 02:05 2013-08-19T14:24:18 < Posterdati> usb otg fs 2013-08-19T14:24:36 < trepidaciousMBR> You can write other registers successfully in the same way? 2013-08-19T14:24:40 < Posterdati> karlp: you're right, tx 2013-08-19T14:24:46 < Posterdati> trepidaciousMBR: yes 2013-08-19T14:25:21 < Posterdati> karlp: I forgot always tha clock and reset lines :) 2013-08-19T14:25:38 < trepidaciousMBR> Easily done :) 2013-08-19T14:27:37 < karlp> dongs: that's pretty serious ragdoll action 2013-08-19T14:28:05 <+dekar_> zyp, does bitbanding take several CPU cycles then? 2013-08-19T14:28:31 < zyp> probably not, unless it causes wait states 2013-08-19T14:28:32 < Posterdati> karlp: is otg clock controlled by rcc? 2013-08-19T14:28:47 < dongs> of course it is 2013-08-19T14:28:59 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a83-132-32-76.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T14:29:54 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-19T14:30:09 < Posterdati> ah 2013-08-19T14:30:26 < Posterdati> there's a RCC_USBCLKConfig ... 2013-08-19T14:31:13 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.133.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T14:34:05 < Posterdati> isn't it always on? 2013-08-19T14:34:57 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-73-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-19T14:38:12 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a83-132-32-76.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-19T14:39:07 < karlp> has any other peripheral ever been on without you turning it on yourself? 2013-08-19T14:39:15 < Posterdati> yes 2013-08-19T14:39:21 < karlp> name one 2013-08-19T14:39:36 < Posterdati> sorry 2013-08-19T14:39:37 < Posterdati> no 2013-08-19T14:40:00 < Posterdati> APBx and AHBx has got the corresponding RCC commands to setup clock gating and reset 2013-08-19T14:40:10 < dongs> do modern PCs require -5, -12V? 2013-08-19T14:40:13 < dongs> on ATX power supply 2013-08-19T14:43:30 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@217.66.159.40] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T14:43:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-19T14:44:05 -!- trepidaciousN4 [~yaaic@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-19T14:47:02 < Posterdati> :( 2013-08-19T14:47:11 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T14:49:13 < dongs> apparently negative shit has been obsoleted around 2004 2013-08-19T14:49:29 < Laurenceb> attn dongs 2013-08-19T14:49:30 < Laurenceb> http://gawker.com/5899787/finding-goatse-the-mystery-man-behind-the-most-disturbing-internet-meme-in-history 2013-08-19T14:49:39 <+Steffanx> oooooold 2013-08-19T14:49:50 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@217.66.159.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-19T14:49:58 < dongs> Laurenceb: mega fucking old 2013-08-19T14:51:26 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-19T14:59:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T15:00:04 < dongs> A -5 rail was provided for peripherals on the ISA bus, but was not used by the motherboard. 2013-08-19T15:00:05 < dongs> haah 2013-08-19T15:06:44 < trepidaciousMBR> Posterdati: The peripherals start out off to save power if you don't use them, I would imagine a very significant number of people never use the USB 2013-08-19T15:07:28 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T15:07:40 < zyp> 13:39:21 < karlp> name one 2013-08-19T15:07:42 < zyp> systick :p 2013-08-19T15:08:05 < zyp> (and the rest of the core peripherals) 2013-08-19T15:11:47 < dongs> we need to blog some m ore 2013-08-19T15:12:03 < Laurenceb> i can link so fail if you want 2013-08-19T15:12:07 < Laurenceb> *some 2013-08-19T15:12:08 < dongs> googling negative voltages on atx power supply 2013-08-19T15:12:10 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlRSAT0ghIo 2013-08-19T15:12:21 < dongs> all I see is a bunch of "MAKE"rs "repurposing" PC power supply as "lab supply" 2013-08-19T15:12:24 < zyp> what's a sane bootloader image format? 2013-08-19T15:12:24 < dongs> fucking idiots 2013-08-19T15:12:30 < dongs> "sane"? 2013-08-19T15:12:32 < dongs> whats wrong with dfu 2013-08-19T15:12:40 < dongs> what are you bootloadering? 2013-08-19T15:12:42 < zyp> no, I'm talking about the image format 2013-08-19T15:12:54 < dongs> yes, .dfu 2013-08-19T15:12:54 < zyp> dfu just streams some arbitrary file 2013-08-19T15:13:04 < dongs> ST shit makes some DFU file 2013-08-19T15:13:38 < dongs> wait for matchboxarm to get funded 2013-08-19T15:13:42 < zyp> dfu spec defines a header, but that's stripped by the host application 2013-08-19T15:13:44 < dongs> and steal their mass storage bootloader 2013-08-19T15:13:52 < dongs> they use .bin files 2013-08-19T15:14:00 < dongs> so i guess just raw binary loaded @ address 2013-08-19T15:14:23 < qyx_> make elf bootloader! 2013-08-19T15:14:27 < zyp> well, I mean, I could just use a plain binary, and slap a dfu header on it 2013-08-19T15:14:40 < dongs> lol elf 2013-08-19T15:15:02 < zyp> but I'd rather have another header on the image that the bootloader could check, and refuse the image if it weren't meant for it 2013-08-19T15:16:10 < zyp> qyx_, I considered it once, but elf isn't really designed to be streamed :p 2013-08-19T15:16:35 < jpa-> .hex works pretty well 2013-08-19T15:16:50 < zyp> I don't see any reason to not make it binary 2013-08-19T15:16:57 < jpa-> that is true also 2013-08-19T15:17:02 < jpa-> i just use plain .bin without headers 2013-08-19T15:17:13 < dongs> < dongs> wait for matchboxarm to get funded < dongs> and steal their mass storage bootloader 2013-08-19T15:17:15 < jpa-> the ST dfu stuff has some custom format 2013-08-19T15:17:17 < dongs> < dongs> they use .bin files 2013-08-19T15:17:59 < jpa-> (which is pretty complex, it supports specifying the USB device id to flash and multiple sections to flash) 2013-08-19T15:25:38 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-19T15:33:21 < zyp> anyway, I'm going to handle this on the device side, streamed 2013-08-19T15:33:44 < zyp> so I'm planning to align stuff on 64B boundaries to match up with usb packets 2013-08-19T15:34:45 < zyp> so I want a 64B header, then a flash image padded to 64B, then maybe a 64B footer with checksum and stuff 2013-08-19T15:36:38 < Laurenceb> or you could use dfu like a sane person... 2013-08-19T15:36:40 < zyp> then I'll make both a dfu-frontend and a hid-frontend to it, so I can just wrap the firmware image in an exe, ship it, and say «double click this to flash new shit», no driver bullshit or anything 2013-08-19T15:37:24 < zyp> Laurenceb, I don't want to educate idiots on how to use a dfu loader 2013-08-19T15:37:51 < Laurenceb> hmm 2013-08-19T15:37:56 < Laurenceb> good point 2013-08-19T15:38:09 < Laurenceb> couldnt you modify some off the shelf application? 2013-08-19T15:38:26 < zyp> why? this is pretty simple shit 2013-08-19T15:39:02 < Laurenceb> fairdoos 2013-08-19T15:39:27 < Laurenceb> doesnt windoze supplort dfu out of the box? 2013-08-19T15:41:57 < Posterdati> trepidaciousMBR: what? 2013-08-19T15:42:03 < Posterdati> trepidaciousMBR: this is not the case 2013-08-19T15:47:17 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSVo-Uhqne0 2013-08-19T15:47:35 < jpa-> zyp: i use a custom program that does dfu (and on windows it also installs the drivers) 2013-08-19T15:48:18 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T15:54:21 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-19T15:55:16 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-19T15:56:02 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-19T16:02:21 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T16:08:11 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-95-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T16:14:54 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T16:15:57 -!- cehteh_ [~cehteh@pipapo.org] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T16:17:07 < Laurenceb> hmm 2013-08-19T16:17:14 < dongs> trolling? 2013-08-19T16:17:23 < Laurenceb> how do you connect to samba share from windoze? 2013-08-19T16:17:27 < Laurenceb> ive forgotten 2013-08-19T16:17:41 < dongs> ???????????? 2013-08-19T16:17:42 < Laurenceb> network// or something 2013-08-19T16:18:29 < dongs> \\cocks? 2013-08-19T16:18:33 < dongs> \\1.2.3.4 2013-08-19T16:18:35 < dongs> what hte ufck? 2013-08-19T16:18:37 < dongs> how cna you not know this 2013-08-19T16:19:36 < Laurenceb> never use windoze 2013-08-19T16:19:49 < Laurenceb> havent touched it for about 10 years 2013-08-19T16:20:18 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-95-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-19T16:20:44 -!- shiftplusone_ [~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T16:22:09 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ShiftPlusOne, cehteh 2013-08-19T16:24:37 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 2013-08-19T16:25:46 < dongs> pros, 2013-08-19T16:25:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CHhtrun.png will this work? 2013-08-19T16:26:05 < dongs> dual pfet to do power switch using momentary buttonshit 2013-08-19T16:26:24 < Laurenceb> wut 2013-08-19T16:26:25 < zyp> no, schematics have too many 45deg angles 2013-08-19T16:26:28 < Laurenceb> brain assplod 2013-08-19T16:27:03 < zyp> how do you manage to make altium schematics look that ghetto? :p 2013-08-19T16:27:16 < dongs> ahah 2013-08-19T16:27:27 < Laurenceb> trollercoaster 2013-08-19T16:28:03 < zyp> is U1 a dual FET? why the fuck don't you split the symbol into two parts? 2013-08-19T16:28:07 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=Foc9R0dC2iI 2013-08-19T16:28:38 < Laurenceb> seems sane to me 2013-08-19T16:28:41 < Laurenceb> ... i think 2013-08-19T16:28:46 < Laurenceb> whats it supposed to do 2013-08-19T16:28:51 < dongs> zyp: yeah dual pfet 2013-08-19T16:29:36 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-19T16:31:04 < Laurenceb> i just do soft switch with an stm32 2013-08-19T16:32:13 < dongs> anyway 2013-08-19T16:32:19 < dongs> problem wiht that eevblog shit is 2013-08-19T16:32:20 < dongs> too many parts. 2013-08-19T16:32:44 < dongs> hold_pwr is gpio by stm32 when its powered up. 2013-08-19T16:33:07 < dongs> so when MCU boots, it just goes high . 2013-08-19T16:33:07 < dongs> or low, whichever 2013-08-19T16:33:15 < Laurenceb> ah 2013-08-19T16:33:18 < Laurenceb> thats how i do it 2013-08-19T16:34:00 < zyp> why not just use a single fet and an OD output in parallel with the switch? 2013-08-19T16:34:16 < Laurenceb> yeah 2013-08-19T16:34:53 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-41-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T16:34:56 < zyp> or even push-pull 2013-08-19T16:35:20 < zyp> that way you get to do a quick power off as well :p 2013-08-19T16:35:31 < dongs> by MCU? 2013-08-19T16:35:35 < zyp> yep 2013-08-19T16:35:37 < dongs> mh 2013-08-19T16:35:42 < Laurenceb> yeah i got everything out of one gpio pin 2013-08-19T16:35:55 < zyp> outputting high would charge the cap faster than the resistor 2013-08-19T16:35:58 < Laurenceb> USB detect, on/off/control button and stuff 2013-08-19T16:36:59 < Laurenceb> anyone know how to get a list of users connected to a samba server? 2013-08-19T16:37:00 < zyp> Laurenceb, I bet you could even bitbang bluetooth on it at the same time! 2013-08-19T16:37:04 < dongs> what ca p? 2013-08-19T16:37:07 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-08-19T16:37:18 < zyp> dongs, C7 in your schematic 2013-08-19T16:38:38 < dongs> OK 2013-08-19T16:38:54 < dongs> so jsut single pfet interrupting main power line, and en-click tied to hold_pwr gpio? 2013-08-19T16:39:04 < zyp> yep 2013-08-19T16:39:12 < dongs> okey. sounds more sane than this shit. 2013-08-19T16:39:25 < zyp> just make sure you never output high unless you want to power off :p 2013-08-19T16:39:35 < dongs> hm? 2013-08-19T16:39:50 < zyp> (because that would kill power to the mcu) 2013-08-19T16:39:55 < dongs> well right 2013-08-19T16:40:30 < dongs> i wonder if that'll put me into annoyance while debugging 2013-08-19T16:40:40 < dongs> like the edp adapter shit 2013-08-19T16:40:48 < dongs> that killed panel 3v3 while flashing 2013-08-19T16:45:16 < zyp> probably, it'll die if it sits in reset too long :p 2013-08-19T16:46:04 < dongs> oh 2013-08-19T16:46:10 < dongs> the button isn't just for power. 2013-08-19T16:46:13 < dongs> it needs to click later. 2013-08-19T16:46:24 < dongs> as part of UI. 2013-08-19T16:46:24 < dongs> overloaded dongs. 2013-08-19T16:46:46 < zyp> ah, then you have to go the double fet route 2013-08-19T16:46:52 < dongs> righ 2013-08-19T16:46:52 < dongs> tk 2013-08-19T16:47:02 < bsdfox> you're going to short your power rail to reset? 2013-08-19T16:47:05 < zyp> or maybe just put a diode 2013-08-19T16:47:11 < bsdfox> that sounds like good design practice 2013-08-19T16:47:18 < dongs> bsdfox: wat 2013-08-19T16:47:57 < zyp> dongs, any reason you can't just put the mcu in deep sleep and use button for wakeup interrupt? does that consume too much power? 2013-08-19T16:48:07 < dongs> no button is like... 2013-08-19T16:48:14 < dongs> menu selector and shit 2013-08-19T16:48:22 < dongs> power saving isnt the issue here but actually just powering the shit up. 2013-08-19T16:48:36 < dongs> its the only button 2013-08-19T16:48:40 < dongs> clicky encoder w/push 2013-08-19T16:49:00 < zyp> sure, but if it always power up on first power on, then just go to deep sleep when you power off 2013-08-19T16:49:23 -!- cehteh_ is now known as cehteh 2013-08-19T16:49:53 < zyp> if(reset_reason == power_reset) deepsleep(); else powerup(); or some shit 2013-08-19T16:50:33 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.129.46] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T16:57:03 < trepidaciousMBR> Posterdati: Not the case that people don't use the USB? 2013-08-19T17:04:24 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.129.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-19T17:06:16 < Laurenceb> http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/69355000/jpg/_69355457_bsbmzajcyaacppr.jpg 2013-08-19T17:06:34 < Laurenceb> ^protesters taking health and safety seriously 2013-08-19T17:09:49 < barthess> hi ppl. Did any body get working hardware ECC when use FSMC with NAND on STM32F407? 2013-08-19T17:11:28 < barthess> writing, reading, erasing works fine, but ECCCR is always 0 2013-08-19T17:11:56 < barthess> I know about ECCEN bit 2013-08-19T17:13:37 < Laurenceb> http://thedailywtf.com/#Pic-1 2013-08-19T17:13:43 < barthess> is it functional in STM32F407 at all? 2013-08-19T17:23:06 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-41-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-19T17:23:56 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/k806wbU.jpg 2013-08-19T17:24:59 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-19T17:26:13 < gxti> morning crap 2013-08-19T17:28:39 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.128.37] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T17:30:08 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T17:31:44 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-105-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T17:47:46 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T17:48:36 -!- gsmcmull1n [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-19T17:52:07 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.128.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T18:06:39 < Posterdati> gxti: morning talking dump 2013-08-19T18:08:41 < gxti> if it's talking to you, you probably forgot your medication 2013-08-19T18:09:23 < Posterdati> and if you're writing you forgot yours too 2013-08-19T18:10:37 <+Steffanx> gxti is our favourite lurker with some occasional talk Posterdati!! 2013-08-19T18:10:50 < Posterdati> ah good 2013-08-19T18:11:01 < gxti> sometimes i'm even ontopic 2013-08-19T18:11:07 <+Steffanx> Weird uh gxti? 2013-08-19T18:11:21 < Posterdati> he surely could help me with weird gdb behaviour 2013-08-19T18:11:47 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T18:17:39 < dongs> so yea 2013-08-19T18:17:42 < dongs> http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/products/memory/serialSRAM/home.html 2013-08-19T18:17:43 < dongs> discuss 2013-08-19T18:18:14 < karlp> what part of it? 2013-08-19T18:18:20 < karlp> you want to deal with a battery? 2013-08-19T18:18:22 < dongs> the serial sram part 2013-08-19T18:18:32 < dongs> no, im just wondering what he fuck could possibly be a usecase for this kinda shit 2013-08-19T18:18:37 < karlp> fucks me, 2013-08-19T18:19:08 < karlp> I used paralle sram and batteries because it was cheaper than a big eeprom way back when, 2013-08-19T18:19:31 < karlp> can't imagine doing it now. 2013-08-19T18:20:14 < karlp> unless you're trying to add ram to some existing system 2013-08-19T18:20:26 < karlp> or need 20gajillion write cycles 2013-08-19T18:20:33 < dongs> add ram to tarduino 2013-08-19T18:20:41 < Laurenceb> hahaha 2013-08-19T18:20:48 < Laurenceb> ram shield 2013-08-19T18:20:50 < dongs> yes. 2013-08-19T18:20:56 < dongs> fucking kickstarter time. 2013-08-19T18:20:58 < karlp> kickstart it now 2013-08-19T18:21:00 < karlp> hehe 2013-08-19T18:21:18 < dongs> "EVER WANTED TO HAVE 1MEGABIT OF RAM IN TARDUINO? NOW, YOU CAN" 2013-08-19T18:22:43 < gxti> it's pretty cheap really 2013-08-19T18:22:59 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T18:23:06 < dongs> is it? i didnt look past that page 2013-08-19T18:23:16 < gxti> if you need something that doesn't take 5 years to erase/write and don't mind the battery it could be more useful than flash 2013-08-19T18:23:36 < gxti> especially if you're writing continuously 2013-08-19T18:23:47 < dongs> holy shit, you can get it in pdip 2013-08-19T18:24:09 < karlp> yeah, that's how I used it, it's to connect to awesome shit like hc11 2013-08-19T18:24:26 < dongs> 74hc11? 2013-08-19T18:24:37 < karlp> long time ago :) 2013-08-19T18:25:00 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-105-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-19T18:26:04 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T18:27:55 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-19T18:30:14 < Posterdati> I've got problem witing at address 0x50000000 on st32f107, writing in it stall openocd 2013-08-19T18:30:51 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T18:31:06 < dongs> > openocd 2013-08-19T18:31:08 < dongs> found your problem 2013-08-19T18:31:19 < Posterdati> ? 2013-08-19T18:31:50 < Laurenceb> protip: dongs is a troll 2013-08-19T18:37:38 < dongs> Laurenceb: more openpilotl drama http://forums.openpilot.org/topic/32794-server-issues/ 2013-08-19T18:38:51 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-19T18:39:30 < Laurenceb> hahah 2013-08-19T18:40:33 < dongs> also more background on ragequit http://www.multirotorforums.com/showthread.php?7415-OP-Developers-banned&p=120224&viewfull=1#post120224 2013-08-19T18:40:38 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-19T18:40:43 < Posterdati> lol 2013-08-19T18:40:47 < Posterdati> oleg oleg 2013-08-19T18:40:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-19T18:43:44 < Laurenceb> http://www.google.co.uk/sorry/?continue=http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar%3Fq%3Dvisco-elastic%2Bproperties%2Bforearm%26hl%3Den%26as_sdt%3D0%26as_vis%3D1%26oi%3Dscholart%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DHz0SUrPGCZD60gXn4IGACQ%26ved%3D0CC0QgQMwAA 2013-08-19T18:43:46 < Laurenceb> wtf 2013-08-19T18:44:46 < dongs> stop searching for scat 2013-08-19T18:57:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-19T18:58:02 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.144] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T19:02:07 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T19:09:37 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-19T19:11:57 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-19T19:17:39 < emeb> dongs: use-case for the SPI SRAM - audio delay buffer for effects / reverb / etc. 2013-08-19T19:19:13 < jpa-> or medium-speed datalogger 2013-08-19T19:19:24 < jpa-> i can see plenty of uses for spi sram 2013-08-19T19:29:26 < emeb> heh - temporary storage for verifying firmware update prior to flashing. :P 2013-08-19T19:32:57 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-08-19T19:33:02 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-19T19:37:54 < Posterdati> I've got problem witing at address 0x50000000 on st32f107, writing in it gave me -> Warn : Block read error address 0x50000000 2013-08-19T19:39:32 < jpa-> with what are you writing and what are you writing? 2013-08-19T19:39:57 < jpa-> that's the USB device area, right? 2013-08-19T19:41:22 < zyp> sounds like the dwc_otg area, if it's same as F4 2013-08-19T19:41:49 < zyp> Posterdati, did you enable OTGFS in RCC? 2013-08-19T19:42:05 < zyp> or whatever it's called on F107 2013-08-19T19:42:23 < jpa-> i'm more worried about what could be giving such an error message 2013-08-19T19:42:49 < jpa-> openocd, apparently 2013-08-19T19:42:59 < jpa-> .. during flashing, i think 2013-08-19T19:43:06 < zyp> huh? 2013-08-19T19:43:20 < jpa-> .. flashing your program to the USB fifo may not be appropriate :P 2013-08-19T19:43:20 < zyp> doesn't make sense 2013-08-19T19:43:52 < Posterdati> zyp: yes 2013-08-19T19:43:54 < jpa-> or maybe he is just writing it from a debugger 2013-08-19T19:44:06 < zyp> jpa-, that's what I assume 2013-08-19T19:44:23 < zyp> Posterdati, what are you trying to achieve? 2013-08-19T19:45:02 < Posterdati> zyp: change GAHBCFG GINTMSK bit to 1 2013-08-19T19:45:29 < zyp> why? 2013-08-19T19:45:44 < Posterdati> I'm writing an OTG driver 2013-08-19T19:46:15 < zyp> also, GAHBCFG is at 0x50000008 :p 2013-08-19T19:46:28 < Posterdati> yes whatever 2013-08-19T19:46:45 < zyp> anyway, make sure you have your clocks turned on 2013-08-19T19:46:49 < Posterdati> ok 2013-08-19T19:47:17 -!- shiftplusone_ is now known as ShiftPlusOne 2013-08-19T19:47:20 < zyp> you both have to have the OTGFS peripheral enable set, and a proper 48 MHz clock 2013-08-19T19:47:28 < Posterdati> yes 2013-08-19T19:47:58 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T19:48:51 < Posterdati> RCC->AHBENR=0x1014 2013-08-19T19:50:04 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@75.244.172.156] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T19:50:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-19T19:51:00 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-19T19:52:11 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-111-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T19:59:45 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T20:02:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.35.184] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T20:04:53 < Posterdati> zyp: I've got 5 Mhz entering PLLMUL, then PLLCLK = 5 Mhz * 9 2013-08-19T20:05:20 < zyp> 5*9 doesn't make 48 2013-08-19T20:05:42 < Posterdati> PLLVCO = 2 * PLLCLK 2013-08-19T20:05:58 < gxti> 5*9 also doesn't make 96. 2013-08-19T20:06:45 < gxti> 48/5 is 9.6 so you're going to have to either use two plls or find a different clock 2013-08-19T20:07:26 < Posterdati> ok 2013-08-19T20:09:51 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T20:10:44 < Posterdati> I've got a 25 MHz uartz 2013-08-19T20:11:48 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-08-19T20:23:08 < Posterdati> clock config is ok 2013-08-19T20:47:38 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T20:52:25 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@75.244.172.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-19T20:52:45 < Posterdati> please help -> http://pastebin.com/BFnaYsmc 2013-08-19T20:53:02 < bsdfox> 25MHz uart is fast 2013-08-19T20:53:25 < Posterdati> quartz 2013-08-19T20:54:10 < jpa-> try read in software, maybe your debugger is broken? 2013-08-19T20:54:54 < Posterdati> jpa-: same problem in software 2013-08-19T20:55:11 < jpa-> how does it appear in software? 2013-08-19T20:55:27 < Posterdati> all zeors 2013-08-19T20:55:30 < Posterdati> all zeros 2013-08-19T20:55:43 < jpa-> sounds a lot like clock fail 2013-08-19T20:56:01 < Posterdati> but clock is correct 2013-08-19T20:56:07 < gxti> unlikely 2013-08-19T20:56:27 < Posterdati> why? 2013-08-19T20:56:42 < gxti> for starters we already know the frequency is not 48mhz 2013-08-19T20:57:06 < gxti> because you're using a 25mhz crystal and you can't get from 25mhz to 48mhz without using multiple PLLs, if it's possible at all 2013-08-19T20:57:19 < Posterdati> I used multiple PLLs 2013-08-19T20:57:33 < gxti> mmhmm 2013-08-19T20:57:37 < zyp> wrong freq shouldn't kill register accesses, it'll just make it impossible to get anything to work on the bus 2013-08-19T20:58:37 < Posterdati> PREDIV2 = /5, PLL2 = *8, PREDIV1 = /5, PLL = *9, PLLVC0_Div = /3 2013-08-19T20:59:55 < Posterdati> = USB to 48 MHz 2013-08-19T21:00:41 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T21:01:49 < Posterdati> page 123 of rm0008 rev14 2013-08-19T21:03:05 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-19T21:03:30 < Posterdati> accessing 0x50000000 result in cpu jump at 0x00000000 2013-08-19T21:03:47 < jpa-> no hardfault? 2013-08-19T21:04:01 < Posterdati> no 2013-08-19T21:04:07 < jpa-> sounds fishy 2013-08-19T21:04:15 < jpa-> i still think that maybe your debugger is just misbehaving 2013-08-19T21:04:20 < zyp> I don't trust your debugger 2013-08-19T21:04:23 < zyp> you shouldn't either 2013-08-19T21:04:33 < jpa-> verify using serial console, put a debug print in hardfault handler 2013-08-19T21:13:28 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T21:16:07 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-111-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-19T21:31:13 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 254 seconds] 2013-08-19T21:32:55 < Posterdati> is it strange that I can't access 0x50000000 2013-08-19T21:39:26 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@64.228.213.210] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T21:43:55 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.174] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T22:01:48 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-111-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T22:12:01 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T22:14:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T22:20:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.35.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-19T22:20:54 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-19T22:23:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.39] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T22:24:47 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@64.228.213.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-19T22:29:35 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T22:31:26 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-19T22:34:45 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-19T22:40:17 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-111-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-19T22:40:24 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 2013-08-19T22:49:24 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-122-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T23:17:08 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@CPE00254b09a642-CM0012c9a07dc6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T23:37:08 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.174] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-19T23:37:53 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.174] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T23:37:54 -!- alexn [~alexn@188-192-186-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-19T23:59:54 -!- alexn [~alexn@188-192-186-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Day changed Tue Aug 20 2013 2013-08-20T00:01:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-20T00:08:14 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-20T00:13:26 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-20T00:30:07 < Posterdati> still can't figure out 2013-08-20T00:31:27 < Laurenceb_> 42 2013-08-20T00:32:30 < Posterdati> no 2013-08-20T00:32:32 < Posterdati> 89 2013-08-20T00:32:34 < Posterdati> 69 2013-08-20T00:33:26 < Laurenceb_> 88 2013-08-20T00:35:24 < Posterdati> the code I wrote generates cpu jam while reading/writing 0x50000000 2013-08-20T00:35:35 < Laurenceb_> 卐 2013-08-20T00:36:16 < Posterdati> it'd not s jewish micro 2013-08-20T00:42:19 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-20T00:47:19 < Posterdati> why did you show that symbol? 2013-08-20T00:47:54 < Laurenceb_> cuz im a troll 2013-08-20T00:49:26 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T00:52:50 < Laurenceb_> unicode is fun, theres a symbol for everything 2013-08-20T00:55:56 < Posterdati> even for crazy 0x50000000 behaviour? 2013-08-20T00:56:05 < Laurenceb_> no, not for that 2013-08-20T00:56:06 < emeb> symbol for troll? 2013-08-20T00:56:18 < Laurenceb_> hey nice plan 2013-08-20T00:56:22 * Laurenceb_ looks 2013-08-20T00:57:57 < Posterdati> very strange, data is assigned, but memory didn't change 2013-08-20T01:00:18 < Laurenceb_> ᓙ 2013-08-20T01:00:25 < Laurenceb_> maybe 2013-08-20T01:00:58 < Laurenceb_> too many symbols... cant find a trollike one 2013-08-20T01:01:10 < emeb> ☣ 2013-08-20T01:02:51 < Laurenceb_> lol 2013-08-20T01:03:02 < Laurenceb_> ⌨ 2013-08-20T01:03:43 < emeb> gets really boring when you get to all the kanji 2013-08-20T01:04:20 < emeb> how the hell do they remember all that. 2013-08-20T01:07:04 < emeb> Ꙭ 2013-08-20T01:07:04 < Laurenceb_> i need to work on my thesis... 2013-08-20T01:07:07 < Laurenceb_> lol 2013-08-20T01:07:19 < emeb> eyes 2013-08-20T01:13:50 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-20T01:41:19 < zyp> emeb, by recognizing the patterns 2013-08-20T01:41:38 < zyp> the more complex ones are built up by simpler parts that are reused 2013-08-20T01:42:06 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2013-08-20T01:42:25 < Laurenceb_> torn between working on thesis or writing new hyperloop paper 2013-08-20T01:43:35 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/hyperloop 2013-08-20T01:43:36 < Laurenceb_> lol 2013-08-20T01:45:37 < Laurenceb_> not sure if anyone is actually interested 2013-08-20T01:45:50 < Laurenceb_> massive shortage of real world engineers.. :( 2013-08-20T01:46:30 < qyx_> omg atan2 is too expensive 2013-08-20T01:48:12 < Laurenceb_> sure you are using the single precision ? 2013-08-20T01:48:38 < qyx_> yep but without fpu 2013-08-20T01:48:49 < Laurenceb_> oh 2013-08-20T01:48:54 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats going to be costly 2013-08-20T01:51:28 < emeb> qyx_: just do CORDIC. Easy-peasy. 2013-08-20T01:52:08 < Laurenceb_> if i could only understand it 2013-08-20T01:52:14 < Laurenceb_> is there a tutorial somewhere? 2013-08-20T01:52:19 < emeb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORDIC 2013-08-20T01:52:35 * emeb has done that so often in hardware... 2013-08-20T01:52:39 < Laurenceb_> lol 2013-08-20T01:52:49 < Laurenceb_> "letmegooglethatforyou" 2013-08-20T01:52:51 < qyx_> hm, thanks 2013-08-20T01:55:15 < qyx_> although it would be better to find the cause my fpu is not working :X 2013-08-20T01:55:23 < emeb> there's that... 2013-08-20T01:56:09 < emeb> I use 'vector mode' to convert X, Y into phase, magnitude. basically sqrt(x^2+y^) and atan2(y,x); 2013-08-20T01:56:45 < emeb> needs roughly Niterations = Nbits_precision. 2013-08-20T01:57:20 < zyp> hmm 2013-08-20T01:57:45 < zyp> wonder if mouser will ship stuff «today» if I order now 2013-08-20T01:57:56 < zyp> I guess it's too late over there now 2013-08-20T01:57:59 < emeb> it's after 5 in TX 2013-08-20T01:58:08 < emeb> and they usually don't ship same day anyway. 2013-08-20T01:58:15 < zyp> they don't? 2013-08-20T01:58:20 < zyp> maybe I'm too spoiled by digikey 2013-08-20T01:58:31 < emeb> unless you place the order in the morning. 2013-08-20T01:58:49 < zyp> I usually do, since morning there is afternoon here :p 2013-08-20T02:01:30 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-122-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-20T02:04:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T02:10:29 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-20T02:13:01 < dongs> < emeb> heh - temporary storage for verifying firmware update prior to flashing. :P 2013-08-20T02:13:05 < dongs> omg 2013-08-20T02:13:34 < dongs> emeb: why audio buffer for effects? cant you use regular sram for that/ 2013-08-20T02:24:54 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-20T02:35:31 < emeb> dongs: what if internal sram is small? 2013-08-20T02:36:39 < emeb> ie - one could do fx on an F103 / F303, but only enough SRAM for < 0.25s delay. 2013-08-20T02:36:52 < emeb> but with external can go much higher. 2013-08-20T02:44:09 < dongs> hmm 2013-08-20T02:44:12 < dongs> yeah but 2013-08-20T02:44:20 < dongs> extra bullshit to deal wiht protocol for a serial sram 2013-08-20T02:44:26 < dongs> vs just using something like psram/sram? 2013-08-20T02:45:42 < dongs> i mean 1mbit parallel sram is ch eaper 2013-08-20T02:45:47 < dongs> than that microchip SPI sram 2013-08-20T02:46:00 < dongs> and you can get it in same package in more than 1mbit size 2013-08-20T02:47:20 < gxti> if you can spare the parallel interface sure that would probably be smarter 2013-08-20T02:48:14 < gxti> sometimes you need to make it work with a few pins and no FSMC or equivalent 2013-08-20T02:56:33 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-20T03:18:52 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T03:20:40 -!- jamesson [6c35cee7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.53.206.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T03:21:22 < jamesson> could somebody point me at some dsp examples pls? 2013-08-20T03:21:46 < dongs> liek what? there's arm dsp lib 2013-08-20T03:21:54 < dongs> wiht some samples too 2013-08-20T03:22:46 < jamesson> dongs: ok ty 2013-08-20T03:23:14 < dongs> check stdperiphlib for f4 2013-08-20T03:30:00 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-20T03:34:45 < jamesson> what are parameters for evaluating a dsp ic? 2013-08-20T03:35:30 < jamesson> more to the point, is there some way to look at c code intended for a computer and make some estimate of whetehte a given IC will handle it? 2013-08-20T03:35:48 < jamesson> er, sorry, wrong chan 2013-08-20T03:35:59 < gxti> is this your homework, larry? 2013-08-20T03:38:03 < dongs> homedong 2013-08-20T03:38:23 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T03:44:20 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.176] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T03:47:07 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-20T03:50:34 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T03:51:53 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T03:52:51 < amstan> i have a chinese board with an stm32f103, it seems to be connected to a jtag header and its uart to pl2303 2013-08-20T03:53:00 < amstan> i'm trying to program it with this project: https://github.com/ornotermes/ministm32_v3 2013-08-20T03:53:30 < amstan> is there a way i can use jlink with an stm32f0discovery board to program it? where can i find more info about jlink(like what wires it uses) 2013-08-20T03:54:18 < dongs> ? 2013-08-20T03:54:27 < dongs> you have jlink and 20pin connector coming out of it 2013-08-20T03:54:31 < dongs> and you have 20pin connector on the chinaboard. 2013-08-20T03:54:41 < amstan> s/jlink/stlink 2013-08-20T03:54:53 < dongs> the only issue is the clone chinese jlink you got if its a black plastic case, is probably not usable with latest jlink software 2013-08-20T03:55:21 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/ulink2/ulink2_hw_connectors.htm 2013-08-20T03:55:28 < dongs> arm 20 pin interface 2013-08-20T03:55:31 < dongs> thats your pinout. 2013-08-20T03:55:37 < dongs> you only need VCC, SWDIO, SWCLK, GND 2013-08-20T03:55:38 < amstan> dongs: i don't have any chinese jlink programmers, my target board is chinese 2013-08-20T03:55:40 < dongs> from STLink 2013-08-20T03:56:48 < amstan> dongs: found those wires on my target board, do i just connect them to the jumpers on the f0discovery board(where it says st-link)? 2013-08-20T03:56:55 < dongs> yeah. 2013-08-20T03:57:03 < dongs> check the schematic to see which pin is what 2013-08-20T03:57:08 < dongs> there's a 5 or 6 pin header for stlink 2013-08-20T03:57:10 < amstan> yep, cool 2013-08-20T03:57:10 < dongs> that has all teh shit you need 2013-08-20T03:57:20 < dongs> in that url look at "serial wire mode interface" 2013-08-20T03:57:27 < dongs> it shows 20pin connector in swd mode. 2013-08-20T03:57:32 < dongs> you don't have SWO on stlink, so ignore that. 2013-08-20T03:57:35 < amstan> it's my first time doing this on this platform 2013-08-20T03:57:41 < amstan> that's why i'm so nooby at this 2013-08-20T03:58:49 < amstan> aww come on! pin1 is not even marked 2013-08-20T03:58:59 < dongs> if you're using a real os (windows) I would suggest getting http://www.hotmcu.com/usbminijtag-jlink-jtagswd-debuggeremula%E2%80%8Btor-p-29.html?cPath=3_25 from there or ebay 2013-08-20T03:59:05 < dongs> which is a nice jlink-ob clone 2013-08-20T03:59:23 < amstan> sorry, i'm not using a real os 2013-08-20T03:59:27 < dongs> too bad. 2013-08-20T03:59:44 < dongs> enjoy half-assed broken tools then 2013-08-20T03:59:46 < zyp> dongs, still using that ulink I sent you? 2013-08-20T03:59:50 < dongs> yepo 2013-08-20T03:59:54 < dongs> its awesome 2013-08-20T04:00:07 < amstan> to be honest, the libs seem a lot more developed 2013-08-20T04:00:15 < amstan> lots of open source stuff 2013-08-20T04:00:17 < dongs> dont see any diff from my clone ulink2 in performance/etc 2013-08-20T04:00:41 < dongs> but its much smaller for working on stuff while not at home 2013-08-20T04:00:47 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-20T04:02:41 < dongs> ha i just noticed that dongle supports that weird renesas shit 2013-08-20T04:02:43 < dongs> R63N 2013-08-20T04:02:49 < dongs> i thought that wasnt even arm 2013-08-20T04:02:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-20T04:04:01 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T04:04:01 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-20T04:04:01 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T04:10:05 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T04:18:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T04:18:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-20T04:18:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T05:33:38 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-20T05:41:48 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T05:45:06 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-20T05:49:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-20T05:53:49 < dongs> assembling 4dp board 2013-08-20T05:53:56 < dongs> lets see if it works 2013-08-20T05:54:03 < dongs> only did one channel to make sure I didn't fail everything 2013-08-20T05:54:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T06:01:10 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-20T06:01:25 < upgrdman> 4dp? 2013-08-20T06:14:35 -!- jamesson [6c35cee7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.53.206.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-20T06:19:58 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-20T06:20:07 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T06:29:19 < gxti> this is weird... i have a board that seems to work perfectly except HSE won't start 2013-08-20T06:29:34 < gxti> identical board assembled a few weeks ago has been working great with the same software 2013-08-20T06:31:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-20T06:31:12 < dongs> try poking a hole in HSE 2013-08-20T06:31:38 < emeb_mac> grunge on the xtal pins? 2013-08-20T06:31:42 < emeb_mac> bad load caps? 2013-08-20T06:31:57 < gxti> it's not even a crystal, just an external clock. and it looks good on scope. 2013-08-20T06:32:26 < gxti> poked it with soldering iron thinking maybe not enough paste, nope 2013-08-20T06:32:47 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-20T06:33:29 -!- gsmcmull1n [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T06:33:32 < emeb_mac> driving an external osc into the HSE input pin? 2013-08-20T06:33:52 < emeb_mac> did you poke the pin with a scope probe to ensure the signal's getting there? 2013-08-20T06:34:24 < gxti> that's what i just said, although while i'm waiting for the GPS to settle using HSI+PLL i may as well check again. 2013-08-20T06:34:30 -!- bsdfox_ [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-20T06:34:39 < emeb_mac> derp 2013-08-20T06:34:53 < emeb_mac> signal's going to the HSE input pin, not the output pin... 2013-08-20T06:35:00 < Lt_Lemming> https://www.tindie.com/products/Lemming/the-snarc-kit/ <--- gratuitious self promotion 2013-08-20T06:35:15 < Lt_Lemming> using that to fund the development of the STM32 based version 2013-08-20T06:35:38 < dongs> might have better luck selling it in #arduino ^_^ 2013-08-20T06:36:05 < Lt_Lemming> yea yea, bite me :-P 2013-08-20T06:36:15 < Lt_Lemming> I am but a poor geek with a poor family 2013-08-20T06:36:16 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-20T06:36:31 < emeb_mac> spare him his life from this monstrosity... 2013-08-20T06:37:27 < Lt_Lemming> rofl 2013-08-20T06:37:42 < Lt_Lemming> emeb_mac: giraffe? :-P 2013-08-20T06:37:53 < emeb_mac> Bismillah! 2013-08-20T06:39:37 -!- bsdfox [~Bob@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T06:40:37 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T06:40:37 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@107-221-62-129.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-20T06:40:37 -!- bsdfox\ [~h36sa@unaffiliated/bsdfox] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T06:40:43 < gxti> still a clean, full-swing signal going into clkin 2013-08-20T06:41:03 < emeb_mac> and the HSE ready bit never asserts? 2013-08-20T06:41:10 < gxti> exactly 2013-08-20T06:41:52 < gxti> also probably unrelated but for some reason my software pll is unable to lock when using hsi or hsi+pll, it just keeps drifting up. probably a math error somewhere, who knows. 2013-08-20T06:43:26 < emeb_mac> very strange. 2013-08-20T06:43:56 < gxti> i was originally thinking i overcooked the chip in reflow or something but a lot of the weird shit i was seeing initially isn't showing up anymore 2013-08-20T06:44:35 < gxti> at one point i couldn't attach a debugger, then later only plain hsi worked and hsi+pll the pll failed to start. but now everything except hse and the software issue seems perfect, including ethernet 2013-08-20T06:45:08 < emeb_mac> self-healing parts. it's a christmas miracle! 2013-08-20T06:45:25 < gxti> also i discovered that chibios is holding i2c low when idle which is also happening on my working board so i guess it's just crap 2013-08-20T06:45:25 < emeb_mac> got enough stock to build up another board? 2013-08-20T06:46:01 < dongs> > chibios 2013-08-20T06:46:04 < dongs> why do people bother wiht that shit 2013-08-20T06:46:06 < dongs> so much aids 2013-08-20T06:46:14 < dongs> too kawaii for my hardware 2013-08-20T06:46:23 < gxti> i have it working already, and i don't have other shit working already, so why waste time 2013-08-20T06:46:53 < gxti> coos looks vaguely interesting but i'd have to write a bunch of boring peripheral drivers on top 2013-08-20T06:47:35 < dongs> writing boring peripheral drivers is half the fun 2013-08-20T06:47:44 < dongs> kinda like installing lunix 2013-08-20T06:51:09 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-20T06:52:40 < MrM0bius> Lt_Lemming, what 3.3v regulator is on that board? 2013-08-20T06:53:31 < Lt_Lemming> err, random TO-220 one 2013-08-20T06:53:39 < MrM0bius> not 7833? 2013-08-20T06:53:42 < Lt_Lemming> whatever I can get cheapest at the time basically 2013-08-20T06:53:45 < Lt_Lemming> nope 2013-08-20T06:53:47 < MrM0bius> oh 2013-08-20T06:54:26 < Lt_Lemming> why? 2013-08-20T06:55:28 < MrM0bius> just curious. i was looking at vregs a few days ago and noticed 7833 cant run from just 5v. i hae some LDO ones but they are all like 100mA max. 2013-08-20T06:56:08 < Lt_Lemming> yeah this one is an LDO, 0.2v drop iirc! 2013-08-20T06:56:25 < MrM0bius> ya and 500mA 2013-08-20T06:56:54 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T06:57:13 < Lt_Lemming> I think it was more than that, but I just rated it for that to prevent excess load on the 7805 beside it 2013-08-20T06:57:51 < MrM0bius> nice 2013-08-20T06:58:12 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T06:58:39 < ds2> how stable is that LDO? 2013-08-20T06:59:44 < Lt_Lemming> pretty stable 2013-08-20T06:59:58 < Lt_Lemming> one of those boards has been running continuously for about the last 9 months 2013-08-20T07:00:09 < Lt_Lemming> it's running the front door on the local hackerspace 2013-08-20T07:01:22 < dongs> 7833? that shit exists? 2013-08-20T07:01:36 < dongs> just use LM1117 or so 2013-08-20T07:01:55 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-20T07:02:07 < dongs> 800mA and 1.2V dropout at max load 2013-08-20T07:02:11 < dongs> so it'll work fine off 5V 2013-08-20T07:02:13 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T07:02:28 < emeb_mac> ya - that's what I usually use 2013-08-20T07:02:52 < dongs> and there's a million chinaclones 2013-08-20T07:02:55 < dongs> AMS1117 and shit 2013-08-20T07:03:32 < gxti> i get whatever's cheapest, which is usually ST's AP1117 2013-08-20T07:03:51 < gxti> all the same obviously 2013-08-20T07:04:02 < Lt_Lemming> MrM0bius http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/LF33ABV/497-7312-5-ND/1038543 2013-08-20T07:04:05 < Lt_Lemming> LF33ABV 2013-08-20T07:06:45 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-20T07:07:35 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T07:11:10 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T07:11:24 < dongs> lol chinese solar panels shipped 2013-08-20T07:11:27 < dongs> 4 different boxes 2013-08-20T07:11:29 < dongs> 50kg total weight 2013-08-20T07:11:39 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-20T07:11:50 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-20T07:12:40 < Lt_Lemming> best delivery I've had in the last year was 6.8Kg of LED strips :-P 2013-08-20T07:13:18 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T07:14:12 < MrM0bius> dongs, which one ware you looking at? minimum voltage i saw was like 5.3 or so for 7833 2013-08-20T07:14:29 < dongs> LM1117 2013-08-20T07:14:57 < ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww 1117 2013-08-20T07:15:05 < dongs> ^ hes trolling 2013-08-20T07:15:32 < emeb_mac> I'll bite - what's wrong with it? 2013-08-20T07:15:49 < MrM0bius> ya, those are cool. it can be hard to get an exact voltage with those but thats not usually a problem 2013-08-20T07:15:49 < ds2> isn't that a higher spec version of hte LM317? 2013-08-20T07:15:57 < dongs> no. 2013-08-20T07:16:03 < dongs> has nothign tod o with 317 2013-08-20T07:16:06 < ds2> oh n/m then 2013-08-20T07:16:24 < dongs> * High Efficiency Linear Regulators 2013-08-20T07:16:33 < dongs> not sure if srs 2013-08-20T07:17:19 < ds2> oh right...I am thinking of the LM117 I think..LM317, LM217 family 2013-08-20T07:17:30 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-20T07:18:35 < MrM0bius> http://www.taitroncomponents.com/catalog/Datasheet/LM7833.pdf 2.0v dropout 2013-08-20T07:20:19 < dongs> well who cares. 2013-08-20T07:20:22 < dongs> noone actually uses those. 2013-08-20T07:21:36 < MrM0bius> :P 2013-08-20T07:22:02 < MrM0bius> +/= 0.15v is also kind of shitty 2013-08-20T07:23:14 < ds2> 1.2V... the 1117 sure sounds like the LM317 2013-08-20T07:24:48 < ds2> marketing name is a LDO but 1.2V worse case isn't quite LD 2013-08-20T07:28:37 < emeb_mac> ds2: lm1117 Vdropout increases with load current - 1.2V at max 800ma 2013-08-20T07:29:02 < emeb_mac> lm317 starts at 1V for 20ma output - increases to 1.5V min for 800ma - gets as high as 2.5V 2013-08-20T07:30:28 < emeb_mac> also - don't think the lm317 is available in sot223 2013-08-20T07:30:49 < ds2> no arguments on the package 2013-08-20T07:30:58 < ds2> the specs doesn't look that good 2013-08-20T07:31:12 < emeb_mac> they're "OK", and cheap. 2013-08-20T07:31:24 < emeb_mac> what do you prefer? 2013-08-20T07:31:49 < ds2> I prefer a worse case drop out of 100mV 2013-08-20T07:32:07 < emeb_mac> that's good for very low power stuff. 2013-08-20T07:32:13 < ds2> but then I am interested in using them to knock off extra ripple 2013-08-20T07:32:28 < emeb_mac> indeed. 2013-08-20T07:32:29 < ds2> switch it to output + drop out; LDO that and get a nice smooth DC 2013-08-20T07:32:50 < emeb_mac> all comes down to the engineering trade-offs. 2013-08-20T07:33:21 < ds2> i guess 2013-08-20T07:33:36 < emeb_mac> don't always need extreme LDO specs. sometimes you've got volts to burn and no current constraints. 2013-08-20T07:34:10 < ds2> heat! 2013-08-20T07:34:16 < ds2> 100mV is not too extreme 2013-08-20T07:34:20 < emeb_mac> TI makes an LM1117-alike part. 2013-08-20T07:34:27 < ds2> I have folks telling me 50mV worse case 2013-08-20T07:34:30 < emeb_mac> TLV1117 - 400mv DO 2013-08-20T07:35:01 < emeb_mac> cool - what kind of current loads does that 50mV part handle? 2013-08-20T07:37:09 < ds2> donno... this guy does RF work and he uses it to smooth things out 2013-08-20T07:37:19 < ds2> apparently noise is a big issue for his app 2013-08-20T07:37:35 < emeb_mac> ya - often true in RF / analog work 2013-08-20T07:38:00 < emeb_mac> one of the trade-offs is Vdo vs current. Higher current ususally means higher dropout. 2013-08-20T07:38:02 < ds2> the ohter thing I don't like about this - stability depends on output cap 2013-08-20T07:38:12 < ds2> *nod* 2013-08-20T07:39:35 < emeb_mac> well, if you've got to have caps anyway (as many apps do) then it's not that big a deal. 2013-08-20T07:44:53 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T07:49:40 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-20T07:52:04 < dongs> hm, my 12V switch isnt quite working 2013-08-20T07:52:05 < dongs> wtf 2013-08-20T07:52:46 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-20T07:53:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PlU32Eb.png what did i miss here 2013-08-20T07:54:30 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T07:54:53 < dongs> i even simulated that trash but im still getting (slghtly less) than 12V when its "off" 2013-08-20T07:59:03 < Lt_Lemming> http://imgur.com/gallery/sOvDG 2013-08-20T08:04:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-20T08:14:43 < jpa-> dongs: well is anything draining the output voltage? 2013-08-20T08:15:37 < jpa-> dongs: hmm.. is your Q1 wrong way around or am i stupid? 2013-08-20T08:18:14 < dongs> its pfet, its interrupting highside 2013-08-20T08:19:03 < jpa-> and it's parasitic diode is pointing in the conducting direction 2013-08-20T08:19:12 < jpa-> pfet's source should be on the high side 2013-08-20T08:19:18 < gxti> figured out my clock issue, the clock input comes from a mux and the mux select line was floating 2013-08-20T08:19:41 < jpa-> gxti: sounds nice :) 2013-08-20T08:19:45 < dongs> jpa-: lol, drain is connected to 12V 2013-08-20T08:19:49 < dongs> should be source rite. 2013-08-20T08:20:01 < jpa-> dongs: yep 2013-08-20T08:20:18 < dongs> fuck, and its not just a matter of turning the shit upside down :D 2013-08-20T08:21:22 < gxti> which means i was just super lucky with my first board i guess 2013-08-20T08:21:32 < dongs> how the fuck did i screw that up 2013-08-20T08:22:00 < gxti> working as drawn 2013-08-20T08:22:03 < gxti> gj dongs 2013-08-20T08:22:06 < dongs> ^_^ 2013-08-20T08:22:17 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-45-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T08:22:22 < gxti> that's why i always use the mosfet symbol with the diode like that, otherwise i tend to screw it up every time 2013-08-20T08:22:47 < dongs> now i gotta see if I can rotate it around without trashing the board 2013-08-20T08:23:02 < dongs> might work, if i bend some pins 2013-08-20T08:31:46 < dongs> i dont suppose they make nonstandard SOT23 pfet with reversed pinout eh 2013-08-20T08:31:56 < dongs> lame, its gonna be annoying to do this on like 16 fets 2013-08-20T08:32:20 < jpa-> lols 2013-08-20T08:33:14 < dongs> fix'd 2013-08-20T08:34:24 < dongs> wth 2013-08-20T08:34:26 < dongs> still fucked 2013-08-20T08:36:04 < dongs> oops did it wrong 2013-08-20T08:39:42 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T08:43:26 < dongs> k now it works 2013-08-20T08:43:33 < dongs> i can rotate the fet around 2013-08-20T08:43:35 < dongs> and jumper gate. 2013-08-20T08:43:40 < dongs> and it still sorta fits on pads. 2013-08-20T08:43:41 < dongs> not bad. 2013-08-20T08:44:03 < dongs> doable for protos and i can fix it for mp 2013-08-20T08:46:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T08:51:06 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.184] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T09:02:38 < Simon--> maybe you shuld use eagle next time ;) 2013-08-20T09:04:34 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-45-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-20T09:09:33 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.227.30] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T09:09:43 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-20T09:11:11 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T09:13:21 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.245.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-20T09:21:50 < emeb_mac> dongs: look at the symbol for Q1 2013-08-20T09:22:00 < emeb_mac> see that reverse protection diode there? 2013-08-20T09:22:15 < dongs> i know, figured that out already. 2013-08-20T09:22:26 < dongs> lol'd while jumpering gate on rotated symbol 2013-08-20T09:22:32 < dongs> er rotated fet 2013-08-20T09:22:55 < emeb_mac> flipping it make it work? 2013-08-20T09:23:28 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-20T09:32:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-20T09:33:39 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-20T09:33:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T10:00:47 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T10:01:57 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-20T10:12:37 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T10:13:02 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-20T10:15:18 < jpa-> lol usb serial adapters not working on windows 8 2013-08-20T10:15:32 < jpa-> because driver fails 2013-08-20T10:15:42 < jpa-> i wish they would build in the most common drivers, like linux does 2013-08-20T10:23:39 < PaulFertser> lol how a professional vendor can include drivers from stupids that can't even get through the official driver certification program to get their shit accepted into the microsoft distribution? 2013-08-20T10:26:10 < jpa-> usually the issue is that the vendor has no point making new drivers for an old device when microsoft releases a new operating system 2013-08-20T10:27:03 < jpa-> .. combine this with the absurd rebranding of the FTDI and PL2303 chips, and instead of a single driver for the chip, you need to find a driver that is happy with just the specific usb id / whatever used by the adapter you bought 5 years back 2013-08-20T10:35:00 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-20T10:38:01 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T10:38:02 < dongs> n???? 2013-08-20T10:38:05 < dongs> what 2013-08-20T10:38:25 < dongs> all they had to do was provide a signed driver for WINDOWS XP and it will still work perfectly fine on Win8 2013-08-20T10:38:44 < dongs> if they havent figured out how to do that since 2001, well thats their problem 2013-08-20T10:40:29 < PaulFertser> jpa-: see? dongs confirms, ftdi and prolific are too ghetto for the professional OS vendor. 2013-08-20T10:41:02 < jpa-> dongs: 32-bit windows xp drivers still work in 64-bit windows 8? really? :) 2013-08-20T10:41:28 < jpa-> but it appears we had to force an *older* driver for some reason.. windows update was giving a non-functional driver for some reason 2013-08-20T10:41:29 < dongs> jpa, windows XP had a 64bit version since 2003. 2013-08-20T10:41:43 < dongs> so ok, 10 years old 64bit signed drivers work. 2013-08-20T10:42:07 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T10:42:07 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-20T10:42:07 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T10:42:18 < PaulFertser> dongs: i agree in fact, it makes no sense to include their shitty drivers is any OS, no kidding. Linux (the kernel) has written-from-scratch drivers that work reasonably well on all known platforms (including PowerPC, SPARC, ARM, MIPS, big/little endian machines alike). 2013-08-20T10:42:37 < jpa-> doesn't mac os x also have its own drivers? 2013-08-20T10:43:02 < jpa-> considering how many of windows crashes are caused by bad drivers, maybe it makes more sense for the OS maker to write the drivers also.. 2013-08-20T10:55:50 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-20T10:57:10 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-20T10:59:35 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-20T11:09:18 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T11:12:32 -!- elj1123 [~elj1123@113.111.63.62] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T11:13:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.227.30] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-20T11:16:27 -!- elj1123 [~elj1123@113.111.63.62] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-20T11:43:06 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T12:19:09 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-178-004-029-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T12:19:12 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-20T12:29:47 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T12:40:30 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-20T12:54:11 < Laurenceb> http://24.media.tumblr.com/a7270849d32eb2334af8d776dbc1a85b/tumblr_mktc1ppGMm1rp7p0go1_500.jpg 2013-08-20T12:58:04 <+Steffanx> i bet Laurenceb prefers the colourful version microsoft invented 2013-08-20T13:12:35 <+Steffanx> wut, since when the kickender indigogo project is gone?! 2013-08-20T13:13:13 <+Steffanx> oh, since 13 aug. 2013-08-20T13:17:18 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T13:21:02 < Laurenceb> http://swift-nav.com/ 2013-08-20T13:21:11 < Laurenceb> only decent kickstarter project atm 2013-08-20T13:21:38 <+Steffanx> Except for the fact that 'low-cost' is not really low-cost 2013-08-20T13:21:46 <+Steffanx> but just 'low-cost' compared to the real stuff. 2013-08-20T13:26:09 < dongs> its low cost as in it costs them <$50 2013-08-20T13:26:26 < Posterdati> does anoyone need a system to balance drone motors? 2013-08-20T13:26:35 < dongs> nobody needs drones 2013-08-20T13:26:40 < Posterdati> a cheap but effective one 2013-08-20T13:26:50 < Lt_Lemming> balance them Posterdati? 2013-08-20T13:27:06 < Posterdati> to avoid vibrations 2013-08-20T13:28:03 < Lt_Lemming> err, the motors normally aren't the cause of that so much as the props 2013-08-20T13:28:40 < Posterdati> you can balance motor + prop 2013-08-20T13:29:31 < Lt_Lemming> I own a tricopter, and know a number of people with various copters/planes and no-one I know has ever bothered balancing the motors 2013-08-20T13:29:58 < talsit> i did 2013-08-20T13:30:07 < Posterdati> you have if you use it to take pics or videos 2013-08-20T13:30:35 < Lt_Lemming> I know a guy who runs a business doing it Posterdati, he doesn't 2013-08-20T13:30:49 < Lt_Lemming> has an octo with a 7Kg payload capacity 2013-08-20T13:30:56 <+Steffanx> dongs, low cost as in $500 2013-08-20T13:31:08 < talsit> very good motors are usually very well balanced 2013-08-20T13:31:13 < dongs> Steffanx: but it costs $50 in BOM on digikey in single qtys. 2013-08-20T13:31:19 < talsit> cheapos, need a lot of attention 2013-08-20T13:31:44 <+Steffanx> Oh, ok dongs. When you'll clone them? :P 2013-08-20T13:31:49 < dongs> never 2013-08-20T13:31:52 < dongs> boring shit. 2013-08-20T13:32:22 <+Steffanx> Somethings have to be done 'because you can' 2013-08-20T13:32:26 < Posterdati> Lt_Lemming: you can balance them yourself with my cheap device 2013-08-20T13:32:32 < talsit> then clone it for me 2013-08-20T13:32:36 < talsit> i'll pay you $55 2013-08-20T13:33:14 < dongs> sure, after you pay ~300-400 for m^2 of 6layer boards for them 2013-08-20T13:33:30 <+Steffanx> You're no fun 2013-08-20T13:33:37 < talsit> no, you said $50 in single quantities 2013-08-20T13:33:41 < talsit> i'll pay you $55 for one 2013-08-20T13:33:45 < dongs> talsit: maybe you wanna look up waht "BOM" is 2013-08-20T13:34:06 < talsit> so now you're saying that the thing actually costs more than $50? 2013-08-20T13:34:07 < talsit> ok 2013-08-20T13:34:07 < dongs> or "bom cost" maybe. 2013-08-20T13:34:11 < dongs> it doesn't. 2013-08-20T13:34:23 < jpa-> that's a narrow BOM if it doesn't even include the PCB :P 2013-08-20T13:34:29 < dongs> $400 will get you something like 200 (or more) blank pcbs. 2013-08-20T13:34:35 < dongs> so $50 bom + $2 for pcb. 2013-08-20T13:35:27 < dongs> then you can sleep on the remaining 199 boards. 2013-08-20T13:36:12 < dongs> jpa, for mass production PCB cost is negligible 2013-08-20T13:36:32 < talsit> $550 for 100 boards on pcbwing 2013-08-20T13:36:41 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-103-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T13:36:48 < dongs> fuck china 2013-08-20T13:36:56 < dongs> probably cant even read the fucking silk 2013-08-20T13:37:41 < Lt_Lemming> dongs, the place I order my PCB's from just quoted me $119 for 120 65 x 40mm double sided PCB's with ENIG 2013-08-20T13:37:54 < Lt_Lemming> 97c each or there about 2013-08-20T13:37:55 < dongs> Lt_Lemming: i was talking about 6 layer. 2013-08-20T13:38:08 < dongs> which is what that gps shit is. 2013-08-20T13:38:46 < Lt_Lemming> kk 2013-08-20T13:39:05 < Lt_Lemming> you should check out hackvana for your next board though, he is amazingly cheap 2013-08-20T13:39:32 < dongs> my pcbs are free 2013-08-20T13:39:34 < dongs> and not from china 2013-08-20T13:39:37 < dongs> so no need 2013-08-20T13:40:21 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-103-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-20T13:44:35 < talsit> then make us some boards 2013-08-20T13:44:37 < ABLomas> Posterdati: there are already, search for 'dpb' for example... But it's not OSS atm and does not works so great - another project would be cool too! 2013-08-20T13:44:42 < talsit> free boards for everyone, from dongs 2013-08-20T13:45:05 < Posterdati> ABLomas: 2013-08-20T13:45:08 < Posterdati> ABLomas: ? 2013-08-20T13:45:34 < ABLomas> [13:26:26] does anoyone need a system to balance drone motors? 2013-08-20T13:45:59 < Posterdati> ABLomas: ok 2013-08-20T13:46:33 < ABLomas> even if it's not OSS... I would easy pay 100$ for good working system 2013-08-20T13:46:37 < ABLomas> well 2013-08-20T13:47:35 < Posterdati> we are under 100$ 2013-08-20T13:48:32 < ABLomas> yeah, dpb parts list is something ~10$ - LED, photo sensor, accelerometers and arduino promini 2013-08-20T13:54:30 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-20T14:14:40 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@CPE00254b09a642-CM0012c9a07dc6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-20T14:18:23 < alexn> hi guys. does someone knows good links with stm32 and FFT. i want to connect a radar sensor to the stm32f4discovery? 2013-08-20T14:18:35 < Laurenceb> nice 2013-08-20T14:18:45 < Laurenceb> radar sensor with baseband output? 2013-08-20T14:19:58 < alexn> http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/506343/Universelles-Radarsensormodul-mit-aktiver-Richtungserkennung-Hygrosens-RSM2650-Betriebsspannung-5-V 2013-08-20T14:20:54 < alexn> yep 2013-08-20T14:21:17 < alexn> i need 2 ADC inputs for the measurements 2013-08-20T14:24:36 < Laurenceb> wow 2013-08-20T14:24:41 < Laurenceb> thats epic, nice find 2013-08-20T14:26:12 < alexn> someone make it with an atmel 2013-08-20T14:26:21 < alexn> http://www.sebastianweidmann.de 2013-08-20T14:26:29 < Laurenceb> so awesome 2013-08-20T14:26:32 < alexn> thats a cool project 2013-08-20T14:26:40 < jpa-> alexn: what kind of samplerate do you need? and stm32f4 or something slower? 2013-08-20T14:28:25 < Laurenceb> actually, with CW you are a bit limited 2013-08-20T14:28:32 < Laurenceb> wonder how much it could be modded 2013-08-20T14:28:44 < Laurenceb> im thinking altimeter 2013-08-20T14:29:40 < jpa-> someone probably makes a similar module for distance sensing (instead of velocity) 2013-08-20T14:29:46 < Laurenceb> hmm 2013-08-20T14:31:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T14:31:57 < alexn> ADC samplerate must be 125Khz 2013-08-20T14:32:23 < alexn> what you mean with CW 2013-08-20T14:32:25 < Laurenceb> with just baseband output its still good enough for simple SAR 2013-08-20T14:32:32 < Laurenceb> continuous wave 2013-08-20T14:32:43 < Laurenceb> id like to make a proper SAR tho 2013-08-20T14:32:47 < jpa-> 125kSps FFT is doable on STM32, but may need a bit of optimizing if you have other heavy stuff to do also 2013-08-20T14:32:48 < Laurenceb> with stm32f4 2013-08-20T14:34:26 < alexn> i dont must do other heavy stuff. just measurement the radar 2013-08-20T14:35:17 < dongs> talsit: i do make some boards when I have free space on a panel 2013-08-20T14:39:18 < Laurenceb> grrr 2013-08-20T14:39:28 < Laurenceb> so close to being useful 2013-08-20T14:39:42 < Laurenceb> yet its useless if tis CW 2013-08-20T14:40:19 <+Steffanx> useless = less useful for Laurenceb? :) 2013-08-20T14:41:04 < jpa-> yep 2013-08-20T14:41:10 < jpa-> it is a specialized module 2013-08-20T14:41:57 < Laurenceb> wonder if you can bias the frequency 2013-08-20T14:42:03 < Laurenceb> bet its possible 2013-08-20T14:47:13 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T14:49:19 < Laurenceb> http://www.skoda-js.cz/img/edee/gallery/vyrobky-a-sluzby/zarizeni-pro-je-typu-pwr/vnitrni-casti-reaktoru/limit/05_sachta-reaktoru-epr-pro-elektrarnu-olkiluoto_upraveno.jpg 2013-08-20T14:49:22 < Laurenceb> ^lulz 2013-08-20T14:49:45 < Laurenceb> skoda reactor.. what could possibly go wrong 2013-08-20T14:50:23 < karlp> ahh, the thatcher child in you is strong... 2013-08-20T14:55:42 <+Steffanx> lol karlp 2013-08-20T15:05:34 < trepidaciousMBR> jpa-: I've just been looking at an issue with my protocol buffers, just working through some messages encoded by nanopb and decoding by hand, should nanopb handle a packed, repeated enum field correctly? 2013-08-20T15:07:10 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T15:07:45 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR: it should, and it is covered by the "AllTypes" test case 2013-08-20T15:08:04 < trepidaciousMBR> Ah great, I'll keep looking, I thought it might be an excluded case 2013-08-20T15:08:20 < dongs> is nanopb hax?? 2013-08-20T15:08:37 < jpa-> if i have hidden traps somewhere, i would very much want to know :) 2013-08-20T15:08:55 < trepidaciousMBR> Java protobuf is decoding the field as a lower count than it should be, followed by some "unknown" fields that seem to be the missing repeated elements 2013-08-20T15:08:57 < dongs> jpa, im about to send some stuff to/from USB HID device 2013-08-20T15:09:04 < dongs> should I use nanopb 2013-08-20T15:09:08 < dongs> or just packed structs 2013-08-20T15:09:21 < trepidaciousMBR> jpa-: I'll keep looking through the raw message to see if I can work out exactly where/how it happens 2013-08-20T15:09:25 < dongs> wait 2013-08-20T15:09:28 < dongs> generator: .py 2013-08-20T15:09:32 < dongs> nothx 2013-08-20T15:09:42 < trepidaciousMBR> nanopb is great, you should definitely use it :) 2013-08-20T15:10:05 < trepidaciousMBR> A little bit of python is ok ;) 2013-08-20T15:10:06 < jpa-> dongs: well if your structs are very simple, it may be easier to send them as-is 2013-08-20T15:10:21 < jpa-> dongs: if they are complex or you want to be able to extend the data format later, protobuf is great 2013-08-20T15:10:37 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR: have you tried decoding the message with protoc? 2013-08-20T15:11:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mXUfKWZ.jpg 2013-08-20T15:11:16 < trepidaciousMBR> jpa-: I'll try that next 2013-08-20T15:11:33 < dongs> yeah i think its gonna be overkill 2013-08-20T15:11:35 < trepidaciousMBR> Seems unlikely to be a java protobuf error, but you never know 2013-08-20T15:11:41 < dongs> its just a couple bytes/bits of status, some ADC readings 2013-08-20T15:11:48 < dongs> and on/off control for various pieces 2013-08-20T15:12:10 < dongs> especially with python generator, fuggetit 2013-08-20T15:12:44 <+Steffanx> dongs just doesn't know how to install python. 2013-08-20T15:12:57 < dongs> more like, i have nothing else that would use it 2013-08-20T15:13:00 < dongs> so why should I install it? 2013-08-20T15:14:13 < Laurenceb> loldongs 2013-08-20T15:14:16 < dongs> zyp: i have your invoice for boards+stencil 2013-08-20T15:14:56 < jpa-> dongs: i intend to make nice .exes of the python generator some time in the future 2013-08-20T15:15:03 < jpa-> but i'm lazy 2013-08-20T15:16:00 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR: also you can try if [packed=true] makes any difference.. nanopb doesn't care about it, and in theory any decoder of protobuf 2.4 or newer shouldn't care either, but you never know.. 2013-08-20T15:16:21 < trepidaciousMBR> Yup, I've got: [packed = true, (nanopb).max_count = 128] 2013-08-20T15:20:25 < dongs> are you using LATEST version of PYTHON 2013-08-20T15:21:29 < jpa-> i would be unlikely to have anything to do with python :P 2013-08-20T15:22:32 <+Steffanx> I wonder how often dongs ask his clients which version of windows they use.. 2013-08-20T15:22:37 <+Steffanx> *asks 2013-08-20T15:22:59 < dongs> Steffanx: funny, i don't have to 2013-08-20T15:23:04 <+Steffanx> SURE 2013-08-20T15:23:05 < dongs> because shit works on XP to 8 2013-08-20T15:23:23 < dongs> looks like my dixus7 left u.s. 2013-08-20T15:23:30 < dongs> angrybirds in 1080p here i come 2013-08-20T15:23:33 < trepidaciousMBR> A new nexus 7? 2013-08-20T15:23:37 <+Steffanx> Especially the one that sends him gerber files in this special format. 2013-08-20T15:23:38 < dongs> yaeh. 2013-08-20T15:23:48 < dongs> Steffanx: that has nothing to do wiht windows. 2013-08-20T15:23:58 < dongs> and everything to do with idiotic jap apps from 1988 2013-08-20T15:24:01 < trepidaciousMBR> I've got to get my old nexus 7 fixed, second time I've had to return it 2013-08-20T15:24:10 < dongs> whats wrong with it 2013-08-20T15:24:23 < trepidaciousMBR> First time, flickery screen, this time, won't charge 2013-08-20T15:24:37 < dongs> attn Laurenceb http://i.imgur.com/oJjSHBS.png 2013-08-20T15:24:50 < dongs> this new shit suppose to have Qi charging 2013-08-20T15:24:59 < dongs> and i already have the panasonic chargepad or someshit 2013-08-20T15:25:14 < trepidaciousMBR> Electromagnetic mind control rays 2013-08-20T15:25:23 < trepidaciousMBR> It's a conspiracy! 2013-08-20T15:26:21 <+Steffanx> google is no evil trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-20T15:26:44 < dongs> evil dongs 2013-08-20T15:27:05 < karlp> teasing the poor icelanders 2013-08-20T15:28:22 <+Steffanx> You know there are other ways t o get one karlp? If you REALLY want one 2013-08-20T15:30:48 < karlp> other ways to get what? 2013-08-20T15:31:12 < trepidaciousMBR> dongs: When you get it, can you try a white level test and tell me how it does? 2013-08-20T15:31:40 < jpa-> karlp: an icelander 2013-08-20T15:32:20 <+Steffanx> That what you wanted karlp. 2013-08-20T15:32:51 < karlp> I was talking about dong's goatse link? 2013-08-20T15:33:13 <+Steffanx> oh, i thought you were talking about the nexus 7 and icelanders not being able to get one. 2013-08-20T15:33:22 <+Steffanx> import restrictions etc. 2013-08-20T15:33:38 < karlp> oh, no, I can go down to the store and buy one of those off the shelf. 2013-08-20T15:33:39 <+Steffanx> ( as that's what you complain about once in a while ) 2013-08-20T15:33:56 < karlp> the only export restrictions I've dealt with are the 802.15.4 stuff because of AES. 2013-08-20T15:34:08 < karlp> other things we have some fairly cumbersome customs processes and fees and charges 2013-08-20T15:34:12 < karlp> but I can _get_ them. 2013-08-20T15:35:52 < trepidaciousMBR> jpa-: Well, the data encoded by nanopb looks absolutely fine to me :) 2013-08-20T15:36:08 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR: does protoc agree with you? 2013-08-20T15:36:35 < trepidaciousMBR> Just going to try to work out how to actually do that, I guess I'll need to dump the data as binary etc. 2013-08-20T15:42:00 < trepidaciousMBR> hm, it's n delimited format, I'll have to edit it down to just the one message 2013-08-20T15:52:20 -!- ds2 [noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-20T15:57:32 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@209.226.201.250] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T15:58:50 < trepidaciousMBR> jpa-: Java protobuf library (the official one) and protoc both decode the same way, with the wrong number of repeated fields 2013-08-20T15:59:36 < trepidaciousMBR> There should be 128 in each case, I get 127 or 123. Java also displays "unknown" fields that look a lot like the bytes it should be using to get the missing enums in the repeated field. 2013-08-20T15:59:50 < trepidaciousMBR> protoc presumably also sees the "extra" bytes but doesn't print them 2013-08-20T16:00:27 < trepidaciousMBR> Another field of the message is basically the same, but with type sfixed32 rather than an enum, and it works fine 2013-08-20T16:00:48 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T16:00:53 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-20T16:01:14 < trepidaciousMBR> But the odd thing is, the raw data from nanopb matches up exactly with the description at https://developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/docs/encoding at least as far as I understand it 2013-08-20T16:02:05 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR: does the problem remain if you narrow down the message to one field? after that, just post it as an issue and i'll take a look :) 2013-08-20T16:02:54 < trepidaciousMBR> I'll have a look at that, I'll have to add a new message 2013-08-20T16:03:50 < trepidaciousMBR> Really weird though, given that I don't really understand how protoc or java protobuf library can read the binary data and produce the result they do, it looks more like a bug in Google's code, but I guess it might just be that I'm misinterpreting the description of packed field encoding. 2013-08-20T16:05:34 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR: i assume you are not doing anything silly like storing binary data in a utf8 string or anything? 2013-08-20T16:05:56 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR: though if you have the .proto and binary data, i can take a look at what protoc says 2013-08-20T16:07:32 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T16:07:44 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-20T16:14:44 < trepidaciousMBR> jpa-: Nope, it's just basically: repeated EnumType values = 4 [packed = true, (nanopb).max_count = 128]; 2013-08-20T16:15:03 < trepidaciousMBR> Where EnumType is an enum :) 2013-08-20T16:16:33 < trepidaciousMBR> There are always meant to be exactly 128 repeats, but the decoded data comes out as 127 or 123, with some unknown data left over 2013-08-20T16:16:41 < trepidaciousMBR> I'll just try to put together a test case 2013-08-20T16:24:34 < trepidaciousMBR> hm... actually, could it be something to do with the fact that some of the entries in the repeated field are for values that aren't valid enum values? The enum only goes up to 8, but there is a 128 in the nanopb struct, actually just because I didn't initialise the memory... 2013-08-20T16:25:01 < trepidaciousMBR> I would have thought that the values would still be decoded correctly though 2013-08-20T16:25:32 < jpa-> trepidaciousMBR: ah, yeah, some protobuf decoders validate enum values 2013-08-20T16:27:15 < trepidaciousMBR> I think that might be it - apparently "a field with an enum type can only have one of a specified set of constants as its value (if you try to provide a different value, the parser will treat it like an unknown field)" 2013-08-20T16:27:27 < jpa-> yep 2013-08-20T16:27:40 < trepidaciousMBR> So protoc presumably finds those values, doesn't like them, and excludes them from the repeated data, making it shorter. 2013-08-20T16:27:49 < jpa-> in some languages it is actually impossible to assign invalid enum values, i think in C# atleast, maybe also in java 2013-08-20T16:27:58 < jpa-> yep 2013-08-20T16:28:00 < trepidaciousMBR> Then for some reason sticks them in as unknown fields, probably so it can save them back out i the message is re-encoded 2013-08-20T16:28:08 < jpa-> yep 2013-08-20T16:28:31 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@209.226.201.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 254 seconds] 2013-08-20T16:28:36 < trepidaciousMBR> Cool, so nanopb is blameless :) Presumably for enum types it is happy with any value, regardless of whether it is defined in the proto? 2013-08-20T16:29:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T16:30:48 < jpa-> yeah, i didn't bother waste space & time to check the values 2013-08-20T16:33:08 < trepidaciousMBR> cool 2013-08-20T16:33:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-20T16:34:05 < trepidaciousMBR> I should initialise the memory just to keep protoc happy, I left it alone because the initial values don't actually matter, that was probably bad idea :) 2013-08-20T16:38:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T16:50:12 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T16:50:38 < amstan> anyone have a cool gfx library that you generally use? ideally something that's open source 2013-08-20T16:51:31 < dongs> i think ive used u8glib or similar shit before 2013-08-20T17:00:34 <+Steffanx> ugfx amstan :) 2013-08-20T17:00:42 <+Steffanx> *µGFX 2013-08-20T17:02:12 < amstan> Steffanx: seems like you have to license it 2013-08-20T17:02:20 < amstan> but it looks good 2013-08-20T17:03:22 <+Steffanx> Yeah, blame Tectu for the weird license. 2013-08-20T17:03:29 <+Steffanx> but it's open source :) 2013-08-20T17:03:47 < Laurenceb> so steal it 2013-08-20T17:04:06 < amstan> Steffanx: i guess i meant free software 2013-08-20T17:04:25 <+Steffanx> it's free, for non-commercial use 2013-08-20T17:07:05 < amstan> hmm, they do have an open hardware clause 2013-08-20T17:09:15 <+Steffanx> Just bug Tectu about the license. He is mad genius behind it. 2013-08-20T17:09:27 < amstan> i guess he is in the channel 2013-08-20T17:13:20 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-20T17:15:32 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-20T17:39:24 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.169] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T17:42:36 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.176] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T17:44:06 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-20T17:44:24 < amstan> hmm, lots of ppl i know here, hi!: MrM0bius, Rickta59 2013-08-20T17:45:22 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-20T17:53:10 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-125-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T17:53:14 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.233] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T17:53:33 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-20T17:55:54 <+Steffanx> lots of people here you dont want to know amstan :P :P 2013-08-20T17:56:00 < dongs> yep 2013-08-20T17:56:01 < dongs> like me 2013-08-20T17:56:05 < dongs> and other dongs 2013-08-20T17:56:22 < amstan> flyback's not here though 2013-08-20T17:56:35 < dongs> ya we trolled him out. 2013-08-20T17:56:39 < dongs> he couldn't handle it. 2013-08-20T17:56:53 < amstan> poor guy 2013-08-20T17:56:54 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@78.173.43.137] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T17:56:54 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@78.173.43.137] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-20T17:56:54 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T17:57:25 < Laurenceb> so i was talking to my boss 2013-08-20T17:57:32 < Laurenceb> he has a new business idea 2013-08-20T17:57:41 < dongs> web 3.0 trolling? 2013-08-20T17:57:43 < dongs> why dont you tell us the idea 2013-08-20T17:57:45 < dongs> so i can steal it 2013-08-20T17:58:29 < Laurenceb> Burka Lamps 2013-08-20T17:58:31 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.131.233] has quit [Quit: Honour I have.] 2013-08-20T17:58:43 < Laurenceb> 280nm UV LED to clip inside a burka 2013-08-20T17:59:03 < Laurenceb> to avoid vitamin D deficiency 2013-08-20T17:59:54 < karlp> cos that's their primary issues in life, yeah. 2013-08-20T18:00:42 < Laurenceb> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-06-07/hyderabad/39813891_1_vitamin-d-deficiency-burqa-sunlight 2013-08-20T18:00:44 < Laurenceb> lolling 2013-08-20T18:00:55 < Laurenceb> however you spell it... 2013-08-20T18:01:53 < amstan> lol 2013-08-20T18:05:31 < Laurenceb> i suggested use of a bacon based enclosure, but he wasn't convinced 2013-08-20T18:05:43 < amstan> his loss 2013-08-20T18:21:50 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-20T18:22:00 < Tectu> zyp, ping 2013-08-20T18:22:07 < zyp> hi 2013-08-20T18:22:24 < Tectu> zyp, they wrote an e-mail to ask about more details :P 2013-08-20T18:22:32 < Tectu> zyp, but now it's already in switzerland - at least the tracking says so 2013-08-20T18:22:33 < zyp> ok 2013-08-20T18:23:11 < Tectu> thanks for your help etc 2013-08-20T18:23:26 < zyp> thanks for reminding me I still haven't finished my mouser order 2013-08-20T18:24:24 < Tectu> you welcome 2013-08-20T18:42:12 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T18:42:42 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-20T18:44:21 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T18:48:19 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-20T18:49:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-20T18:50:59 < amstan> Tectu: hey 2013-08-20T18:51:12 < Tectu> hello amstan 2013-08-20T18:51:21 < Tectu> do we know us? :x 2013-08-20T18:51:22 < amstan> i heard you made a cool gfx library 2013-08-20T18:51:40 < Tectu> well, that might depend on your definition of 'cool' ;-) 2013-08-20T18:51:52 < Tectu> but take a look yourself: http://ugfx.org 2013-08-20T18:52:55 < amstan> Tectu: i'm interested in making a hardware bitcoin wallet 2013-08-20T18:53:03 < dongs> lol buttcoin 2013-08-20T18:53:20 < Tectu> amstan, then µGFX might fit your needs, yes 2013-08-20T18:53:36 < Tectu> however, don't most people use their smartphones with a walled app? 2013-08-20T18:53:38 < Tectu> wallet* 2013-08-20T18:54:20 < amstan> i'm thinking something more of a hide in a safe idea 2013-08-20T18:54:27 < amstan> where you don't carry it with you all day 2013-08-20T18:54:34 < Tectu> how big? 2013-08-20T18:54:43 < amstan> handheld 2013-08-20T18:54:46 < Tectu> there are very cheap TFT touchscreens on ebay 2013-08-20T18:54:50 < amstan> yep 2013-08-20T18:54:53 < Tectu> as in 3.5" TFT for 20$ 2013-08-20T18:55:30 < amstan> Tectu: i got one of these http://dx.com/p/mini-stm32-stm32f103rbt6-development-board-w-2-8-tft-lcd-touch-screen-157301 2013-08-20T18:55:49 < dongs> you ccan even use it for buttcoin mining 2013-08-20T18:55:52 < amstan> and this guy has some code that runs on it: https://github.com/ornotermes/ministm32_v3 2013-08-20T18:55:58 < amstan> dongs: that's not the point 2013-08-20T18:56:02 < Tectu> amstan, should be easy to get it running 2013-08-20T18:56:24 < amstan> Tectu: he has most of the low level stuff going, except there's quite a few bugs in font rendering and such 2013-08-20T18:56:29 < Tectu> amstan, looks like some very basic LCD library 2013-08-20T18:56:41 < amstan> i could fix it, but i don't really want to bother, i'll need buttons and stuff later on 2013-08-20T18:56:55 < Tectu> then µGFX is absolutely well suited for your needs 2013-08-20T18:56:58 -!- peque [~peque@34.Red-83-56-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T18:57:07 < amstan> yes, the only thing i'm a little iffy on is the licensing 2013-08-20T18:57:13 < dongs> doesnt that shite require chibios 2013-08-20T18:57:24 < Tectu> dongs, not anymore 2013-08-20T18:57:34 < amstan> i have no idea if i'll make money off this 2013-08-20T18:57:35 < dongs> does it have a kawaii logo 2013-08-20T18:57:41 < amstan> perhaps i'll want to have the firmware code open source 2013-08-20T18:57:42 < Tectu> it has 2013-08-20T18:57:48 < dongs> cilcking to verify 2013-08-20T18:57:50 < Tectu> dongs, http://ugfx.org/images/resources/logos/ugfx_logo2.png 2013-08-20T18:58:36 < Tectu> amstan, the GFX license allows you to do the developing without any licensing at all. As soon as you're going business, you have to get one 2013-08-20T18:59:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T18:59:25 < dongs> whats the status of it working on CoOS 2013-08-20T18:59:29 < dongs> cuz who cares about kawaiiOS 2013-08-20T18:59:46 < amstan> Tectu: how much would that cost? and what's the deal with open hardware? 2013-08-20T18:59:59 < Tectu> dongs, the status is: could be finished and published within a few days, if anyone would care 2013-08-20T19:00:17 < Tectu> amstan, can we move this to #ugfx? 2013-08-20T19:00:21 < amstan> sure 2013-08-20T19:00:22 < dongs> Tectu: i wouldc are. 2013-08-20T19:00:24 < amstan> #ugfx 2013-08-20T19:00:30 < dongs> Tectu: however, I would use it in a closed sores, commercial project. 2013-08-20T19:00:43 < dongs> with closedsores harware. 2013-08-20T19:00:51 -!- BjoernC [~BjoernC@b071.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-20T19:00:52 < Tectu> dongs, that's no problem from the µGFX side 2013-08-20T19:01:26 < dongs> sure it is 2013-08-20T19:01:42 < zyp> dongs, you'd just have to pay $200+ 2013-08-20T19:01:47 < dongs> zyp: right 2013-08-20T19:02:31 < Tectu> if you're a closed source, prorprietary guy anyway, you wouldn't care 2013-08-20T19:02:49 <+Steffanx> but in this case you pay for open sores .. 2013-08-20T19:02:53 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-20T19:03:02 < dongs> does it even build in keil? 2013-08-20T19:03:05 < dongs> im gonna assume: no 2013-08-20T19:03:08 < dongs> probably full of gccisms 2013-08-20T19:03:10 < dongs> and makefiles 2013-08-20T19:03:19 < Simon--> __attribute__((break_on_keil)) 2013-08-20T19:03:29 < dongs> yeah i bet 2013-08-20T19:03:31 < PaulFertser> gcc doesn't understand makefiles either 2013-08-20T19:03:38 < dongs> __funroll_loops__((lol_dongs)) 2013-08-20T19:03:41 < Tectu> Steffanx, it's not open source - just the source is open 2013-08-20T19:03:50 <+Steffanx> same thing. 2013-08-20T19:04:00 < jpa-> open sores quality anyway ;) 2013-08-20T19:04:11 < Tectu> dongs, some people use KEIL successfully. I compiled it a few months ago 2013-08-20T19:04:21 < dongs> surprising 2013-08-20T19:04:32 < Tectu> I don't know about the new stuff of jpa ;-) 2013-08-20T19:05:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-234-143.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T19:06:17 < zyp> Steffanx, not really, OSI have some guidelines for what can be called open source 2013-08-20T19:06:29 <+Steffanx> i know, zyp. 2013-08-20T19:06:45 < zyp> merely «source available» doesn't make it «open source» 2013-08-20T19:07:10 < Tectu> zyp, it doesn't say open source anywhere (unless jpa- found another reference without telling me) 2013-08-20T19:07:10 <+Steffanx> i bet it makes no difference for dongs. 2013-08-20T19:07:31 < Tectu> "The source code of the library is completely open." 2013-08-20T19:07:56 <+Steffanx> That's almost the same. Just in other words. Unless you are indeed refering to the one and only term "open source" 2013-08-20T19:08:24 < Tectu> yes, but as you said - 'open source' does imply some "rules" 2013-08-20T19:08:31 <+Steffanx> http://b-electronics.ch/products ha :P 2013-08-20T19:08:39 < Tectu> yeah, I really don't care about that site at all 2013-08-20T19:08:44 < Tectu> oh fuck 2013-08-20T19:08:47 < Tectu> see, so much I care ;-) 2013-08-20T19:17:32 < karlp> auditable source? 2013-08-20T19:18:03 < karlp> so, who did you sleep with to get a 4 character .org ? 2013-08-20T19:18:09 < karlp> I thought they were all long gone? 2013-08-20T19:19:18 < jpa-> karlp: krlp.org is free 2013-08-20T19:19:29 < Tectu> karlp, nothing, I just registered it 2013-08-20T19:19:35 < Tectu> s/nothing/nobody 2013-08-20T19:19:39 < karlp> oh, must have just been the .coms and .nets I guess. 2013-08-20T19:19:56 < Tectu> there are two letter .coms 2013-08-20T19:19:59 < Tectu> st.com for instance 2013-08-20T19:20:02 < karlp> not for sale 2013-08-20T19:20:07 < karlp> is what I was meaning 2013-08-20T19:20:17 < karlp> there's single letter .is domains. 2013-08-20T19:20:34 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.117] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T19:20:48 < zyp> any weird requirements to get an .is? 2013-08-20T19:21:07 < Tectu> wtf is .is anyway 2013-08-20T19:21:14 < jpa-> iceland penis museum domain 2013-08-20T19:21:17 <+Steffanx> israel i guess? 2013-08-20T19:21:20 < Tectu> .de is also funny - you just get it if you have a house "place" in germany 2013-08-20T19:21:25 <+Steffanx> oh thats il :) 2013-08-20T19:21:47 < karlp> zyp: perm residence or a registered business and an agent. 2013-08-20T19:21:56 < karlp> it's not terribly difficult, but they're somewhat expensive 2013-08-20T19:22:14 <+Steffanx> 'somewhat'? 2013-08-20T19:22:19 < zyp> ah, similar to .no then 2013-08-20T19:22:38 < karlp> read as much as you want: http://www.isnic.is/en/ 2013-08-20T19:22:58 <+Steffanx> At least we are all allowed to get a .net as we all 'live' on the internet. 2013-08-20T19:22:58 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@78.173.47.7] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T19:22:58 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@78.173.47.7] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-20T19:22:58 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T19:23:23 < karlp> .is is ~40 eur/year if you are icelandic or don't need ana gent or anything. 2013-08-20T19:23:39 < karlp> used to be more, 2013-08-20T19:24:04 < karlp> .au was fiddly, I had to get an registered business matching the name I wanted to register, 2013-08-20T19:24:06 <+Steffanx> I wonder why.. it just seems to be an easy way to get some money. 2013-08-20T19:24:12 < karlp> because they can. 2013-08-20T19:24:14 < karlp> no other reason. 2013-08-20T19:24:32 < karlp> they haven't updated anything at all on that webpage in 6~ years or so, 2013-08-20T19:24:40 <+Steffanx> here in dutchland it's like < 10 euro/year, which is even more than necessary imho 2013-08-20T19:24:42 < karlp> I think the colour changed to a different shade of red. 2013-08-20T19:24:58 < Tectu> who exactly says what requirements are needed for a certain domain anyway? 2013-08-20T19:25:01 < karlp> they're a monopoly agency, they have no need to offer a fair and reasonable price on anything. 2013-08-20T19:25:11 < karlp> Tectu: youc an go and read lots of icann rules, 2013-08-20T19:25:35 < karlp> but basically a tld is delegated to a coutnry, and they subdelegated them to (often) a monopoly "service" agency years and years and years ago, 2013-08-20T19:25:50 < karlp> and unless they royally fuck it up, they get to keep doing it. 2013-08-20T19:32:43 -!- peque [~peque@34.Red-83-56-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-20T19:41:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-20T19:41:55 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-20T19:53:52 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-125-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-20T19:56:22 -!- Gargantuasauce [~Gargantua@142.177.90.120] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T20:01:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T20:08:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T20:12:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.48.7] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T20:17:01 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.102] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T20:28:14 -!- jamesson [6c35cee7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.53.206.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T20:29:04 < jamesson> so, how may I do simulation with dsp? 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2013-08-20T21:28:48 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-20T21:29:15 <+Steffanx> And there is so much to rant about on that page. That you can fill this channels with all the standard rants we have everyday :P 2013-08-20T21:29:27 <+Steffanx> *channel 2013-08-20T21:30:27 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Tectu] by ChanServ 2013-08-20T21:30:30 <@Tectu> damn. 2013-08-20T21:32:42 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T21:36:01 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T21:38:08 -!- FmOut [~quassel@10.182.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T21:42:25 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@109.126.191.176] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T21:43:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.48.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-20T21:45:02 -!- FmOut__ [~quassel@199.130.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-20T21:45:28 -!- FmOut [~quassel@10.182.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-20T22:03:13 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-20T22:05:34 -!- 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2013-08-20T22:18:40 < zyp> exactly 2013-08-20T22:18:45 < jpa-> it is in köln, quite clearly 2013-08-20T22:18:55 < jpa-> the package data is for customs processing, probably 2013-08-20T22:19:51 <@Tectu> meh, so no way to receive it tomorrow 2013-08-20T22:19:56 < zyp> http://wwwapps.ups.com/tracking/tracking.cgi?tracknum=1Z5674320423548488 <- here's the last one I got, also went through köln 2013-08-20T22:20:41 < zyp> note how it left köln in the middle of the night, passed through sweden and got here later in the day 2013-08-20T22:20:51 <@Tectu> how comes it loops through oslo twice? 2013-08-20T22:21:09 <@Tectu> so it actually is some express magic? 2013-08-20T22:21:12 <@Tectu> I am unused to that 2013-08-20T22:21:14 <@Tectu> yet I like it 2013-08-20T22:21:29 < zyp> gardermoen is the airport in oslo 2013-08-20T22:22:15 < karlp> what are you guys shipping? 2013-08-20T22:22:29 <@Tectu> karlp, na, just waiting for my first digikey order 2013-08-20T22:22:30 < zyp> oh, and after gardermoen they hand it off to the norwegian mail company instead of delivering it themselves, so they call the rest of norway for either oslo in the tracking :p 2013-08-20T22:22:44 <@Tectu> we had some talking about how long it will take to go through swiss customs lately 2013-08-20T22:22:47 < zyp> either oslo or trondheim* 2013-08-20T22:23:15 <@Tectu> so there actually is a chance to receive it by tomorrow? 2013-08-20T22:23:24 <@Tectu> yours was in köln at 3am 2013-08-20T22:23:34 <@Tectu> mine is 7:30pm 2013-08-20T22:23:38 <@Tectu> I don't think that it will be here tomorrow 2013-08-20T22:24:05 < zyp> no it arrived in köln 6:31om 2013-08-20T22:24:09 < zyp> pm* 2013-08-20T22:24:16 < zyp> and left at 3am 2013-08-20T22:24:44 < zyp> anyway, estimate says thursday 2013-08-20T22:24:44 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-20T22:25:04 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-20T22:25:05 -!- 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2013-08-21T03:37:49 < dongs> thinking waht to do 2013-08-21T03:37:49 < upgrdman> im reading an 8051 book, and it mentions Vss and Vcc. shouldn't it be Vss / Vdd (for FETs) or Vee / Vcc (for BJTs) ? 2013-08-21T03:37:55 < dongs> watch stardong or do some work 2013-08-21T03:39:14 < gxti> upgrdman: maybe, bnot lots of people use vcc weven when only cmos is used 2013-08-21T03:39:42 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: as long as they define it somewhere "vcc = +5V supply", why the hell you care? 2013-08-21T03:40:41 < gxti> easy there, tiger 2013-08-21T03:42:13 < upgrdman> BrainDamage: im just trying to understand. 2013-08-21T03:42:25 < upgrdman> and it seems weird to mix BJT and FET terminology 2013-08-21T03:42:53 < upgrdman> like someone saying "connect the emitter to ground, then feed the base 1mA ..." 2013-08-21T03:42:58 < upgrdman> err gate 2013-08-21T03:43:08 < upgrdman> base would be correct 2013-08-21T03:57:31 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 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right... so it has a 8MHz rc osc onboard 2013-08-21T06:52:20 < amstan> and you need to pll it to go faster 2013-08-21T06:52:28 < amstan> i'm using libopencm3 2013-08-21T06:52:39 < amstan> i guess i should read those docs then 2013-08-21T06:52:55 < zyp> then it's easy, just use that rcc_clock_setup_in_hse_8mhz_out_72mhz() function 2013-08-21T06:53:07 < zyp> assuming you have an 8mhz crystal 2013-08-21T06:53:17 < amstan> zyp: seems like it already uses that 2013-08-21T06:53:53 < zyp> then it should be fine 2013-08-21T06:54:15 < amstan> well... why does the gpi_toggle go at only 1MHz then 2013-08-21T06:54:50 < zyp> maybe your code is horribly inefficient 2013-08-21T06:55:10 < amstan> it's using gpio_toggle from libopencm 2013-08-21T06:55:14 < zyp> hmm, you say 1.2 MHz, does that mean 2.4M toggles? 2013-08-21T06:55:42 < amstan> zyp: yes 2013-08-21T06:55:54 < zyp> if so, that's around 30 cycles per toggle 2013-08-21T06:56:15 < amstan> yeah, way too much 2013-08-21T06:56:38 < amstan> the 1.2 thing makes a lot of sense if it's 8MHz, but not for 72 2013-08-21T06:56:40 < zyp> if you happen to run unoptimized code with a few layers of function calls, that might be a reasonable number 2013-08-21T06:57:07 < zyp> can I get a copy of your elf file? 2013-08-21T06:57:20 < zyp> you can upload it to bin.jvnv.net 2013-08-21T07:00:19 < amstan> umm 2013-08-21T07:00:30 < amstan> yeah.. i should probably remove the image first, you don't want the whole 9k 2013-08-21T07:01:03 < zyp> doesn't matter 2013-08-21T07:01:47 < amstan> 111k somehow... cool 2013-08-21T07:01:52 < amstan> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/BYMIw/mini-stm32.elf 2013-08-21T07:02:04 < amstan> i'm 90% sure it has debugging symbols 2013-08-21T07:05:34 < amstan> zyp: you sure the way i gave you is ok? can you make heads and tails? 2013-08-21T07:05:58 < zyp> hang on, I'll take a look in a moment 2013-08-21T07:11:12 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T07:12:43 -!- amstan 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an msp clocked at 16MHz 2013-08-21T07:20:13 < amstan> using the same method 2013-08-21T07:20:38 < zyp> well, I don't really either, something is weird 2013-08-21T07:20:52 < amstan> most of this code i don't trust, i didn't write it 2013-08-21T07:20:56 < amstan> it works nicely, but ... yeah 2013-08-21T07:21:14 < zyp> well, I'm looking at the disassembly of your elf 2013-08-21T07:22:00 < zyp> it would be faster if gpio_toggle were inlined 2013-08-21T07:22:11 < amstan> zyp: let's try an O3 2013-08-21T07:22:17 < zyp> won't help 2013-08-21T07:22:19 < amstan> same... 2013-08-21T07:22:45 < zyp> gpio_toggle can't be inlined when it's implemented in another translation unit 2013-08-21T07:23:15 < amstan> alright... what about a loop 2013-08-21T07:23:48 < zyp> and when gpio_toggle is an opaque function, the compiler have to assume r0 and r1 are clobbered, and have to reload them for every call 2013-08-21T07:23:54 < amstan> i added for(unsigned int i=0;i<10000;i++); in each loop 2013-08-21T07:24:02 < amstan> so instead we're measuring that 2013-08-21T07:24:13 < zyp> that's probably going to be optimized out :p 2013-08-21T07:24:33 < amstan> 280Hz 2013-08-21T07:24:53 < amstan> there's no optimizations 2013-08-21T07:25:14 < amstan> ok... what does this mean... 280 Hz 2013-08-21T07:25:51 < amstan> 2.8MHz/loop cycle 2013-08-21T07:26:31 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-39-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T07:26:39 < amstan> another plausible thing for 8MHz, instead of 72MHz where all you have to do is an i++, comparassion and a conditional jump 2013-08-21T07:26:51 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-39-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-21T07:27:06 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-39-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T07:27:46 < zyp> you're toggling PC10? 2013-08-21T07:27:50 < amstan> yes 2013-08-21T07:27:56 < zyp> ok, hang on 2013-08-21T07:28:04 < amstan> it's something i already know is set to output 2013-08-21T07:28:36 < amstan> you thinking there's some sort of latch or slowdown when doing that port? 2013-08-21T07:28:41 < amstan> but that doesn't explain the slow loop 2013-08-21T07:31:31 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-39-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-21T07:34:35 < zyp> amstan, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/KqDvZ.elf <- try flashing this 2013-08-21T07:36:55 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-21T07:37:29 < amstan> zyp: Warn : no flash bank found for address 10000000 2013-08-21T07:37:38 < zyp> huh? 2013-08-21T07:37:48 < amstan> openocd doesn't like it 2013-08-21T07:38:01 < amstan> do you have a bin instead? 2013-08-21T07:38:11 < zyp> then your openocd is being dumb 2013-08-21T07:38:17 < zyp> hang on, I'll make one 2013-08-21T07:38:25 < amstan> well... i could be at fault for that 2013-08-21T07:38:30 < amstan> a day ago it didn't even go 2013-08-21T07:38:39 < amstan> i'm using the f0 discovery to program this other board 2013-08-21T07:38:49 < amstan> i had to merge 2 openocd commands 2013-08-21T07:39:16 < amstan> yeah, it doesn't work with elf 2013-08-21T07:39:32 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/M14aU.bin 2013-08-21T07:40:32 < amstan> zyp: 8.0MHz 2013-08-21T07:40:59 < amstan> still low, but more plausible in terms of 9 cycles per toggle 2013-08-21T07:41:39 < amstan> and it seems the high time is half the low time 2013-08-21T07:42:00 < zyp> yep 2013-08-21T07:42:11 < amstan> you not using toggle? 2013-08-21T07:42:19 < zyp> no 2013-08-21T07:42:21 < zyp> 8000186: 6119 str r1, [r3, #16] 2013-08-21T07:42:21 < zyp> 8000188: 611a str r2, [r3, #16] 2013-08-21T07:42:21 < zyp> 800018a: e7fc b.n 8000186 2013-08-21T07:42:28 < zyp> that's my loop 2013-08-21T07:42:37 < zyp> and I know for certain that this is running at 72MHz 2013-08-21T07:42:53 < amstan> that is slow then 2013-08-21T07:43:21 < amstan> i'm dissapointed 2013-08-21T07:43:52 * amstan cries 2013-08-21T07:44:01 * amstan will never get his display to go more than 1fps 2013-08-21T07:44:10 < amstan> alright 2013-08-21T07:44:14 < amstan> time to go to sleep, work tomorrow 2013-08-21T07:44:17 < amstan> zyp: thanks for your help 2013-08-21T07:44:23 < zyp> why are you bitbanging your display? 2013-08-21T07:44:37 < amstan> is there a better way? 2013-08-21T07:44:48 < zyp> which kind do you have? 2013-08-21T07:44:52 < zyp> (of display) 2013-08-21T07:44:59 < amstan> ili9325 2013-08-21T07:45:11 < zyp> how does the signal look? 2013-08-21T07:45:39 < amstan> it's a litle weird how it's done 2013-08-21T07:46:00 < amstan> it uses 16 lines, but there's only actually 8, latched for low and high byte 2013-08-21T07:46:04 < zyp> looks like you can do both spi and parallel 2013-08-21T07:46:09 < amstan> yes 2013-08-21T07:46:18 < amstan> i'm not bitbanging spi 2013-08-21T07:46:36 < amstan> this is relevant: https://github.com/ornotermes/ministm32_v3/blob/master/ili9325.h#L64 2013-08-21T07:47:07 < zyp> if you want speed, you should hook it to the FSMC 2013-08-21T07:47:55 < amstan> zyp: will that work though? 2013-08-21T07:48:16 < amstan> it's not relaly an external memory chip, just something that you can occasionally dump data into via parallel lines 2013-08-21T07:48:21 < amstan> and it's more commands than data 2013-08-21T07:48:26 < zyp> hmm, I suppose your stm32 doesn't have the FSMC 2013-08-21T07:48:40 < zyp> but if it had, it would work fine 2013-08-21T07:49:09 < zyp> as long as it interfaces as a memory, you can hook it up like that 2013-08-21T07:49:25 < zyp> I have a devboard with a 16-bit parallel display hooked up like that 2013-08-21T07:50:00 -!- Jimboobrien [~jim@75-143-77-159.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-21T07:50:32 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-10-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T07:50:40 < amstan> cool 2013-08-21T07:50:43 < zyp> the thing is that when you use the FSMC, all the cpu has to do to write a word is to do a str instruction, and then FSMC will take care of all the latching and stuff 2013-08-21T07:51:13 < zyp> or you could even do DMA 2013-08-21T07:52:27 < amstan> alright, time for me to go 2013-08-21T07:52:29 < amstan> bye 2013-08-21T08:02:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-21T08:24:33 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T09:10:43 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T09:11:34 < R2COM> another possibility for that guy might be using cheap CPLD+STM32 2013-08-21T09:11:51 < R2COM> implement SPI transfer on CPLD, and latch data do display in a custom way display wants 2013-08-21T09:22:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T09:40:30 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-21T09:40:37 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T09:44:45 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2013-08-21T11:12:27 -!- coon [coon@gateway/shell/c-base/x-craeiaojwltypsul] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T11:12:38 -!- johntramp [~john@125-237-7-66.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T11:28:52 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-21T11:34:24 < dongs> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23766837 2013-08-21T11:37:00 < zyp> semi-related: french urinal designers should be shot 2013-08-21T11:37:23 < dongs> you coulda skipped the "urinal designers" part 2013-08-21T11:37:27 < dongs> and the sentence would still be relevant 2013-08-21T11:37:36 < zyp> well, yeah 2013-08-21T11:37:56 < zyp> I had a transfer in france when heading home from korea, urinals in airport seemed to be designed to act as retroreflectors 2013-08-21T11:38:01 < Lt_Lemming> woot! "I’ve put you forward to my manager as my preferred candidate." <--- email I just got about the job I interviewed for today :-D 2013-08-21T11:38:02 < zyp> that was fucking annoying 2013-08-21T11:56:54 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-21T11:57:00 -!- cehteh [~cehteh@pipapo.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 2013-08-21T12:03:24 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T12:03:59 -!- cehteh [~cehteh@pipapo.org] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T12:25:25 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-21T12:27:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-21T12:27:50 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T12:31:28 < Laurenceb> rofl zyp 2013-08-21T12:32:07 < Laurenceb> "don't want to hear about your career" 2013-08-21T12:32:29 < zyp> Laurenceb, I tell you, I've pissed all over the world, but never have I been as pissed while pissing as in france 2013-08-21T12:32:41 < Laurenceb> ah 2013-08-21T12:32:49 < Laurenceb> thought you were talking to Lt 2013-08-21T12:33:10 < Lt_Lemming> zyp 2013-08-21T12:33:41 < zyp> Lt_Lemming, hmm? 2013-08-21T12:33:46 < Lt_Lemming> bite me :-P 2013-08-21T12:33:53 < zyp> what? 2013-08-21T12:34:07 < Lt_Lemming> I'm gonna woot where I want to woot if I have something to woot about 2013-08-21T12:34:19 < karlp> Laurenceb and Lt_Lemming: shush, 2013-08-21T12:34:23 < karlp> he wasn't talkingabout you 2013-08-21T12:34:25 < zyp> Lt_Lemming, unless you have anything to do with french urinal design, I have nothing against you 2013-08-21T12:34:30 < Lt_Lemming> kk 2013-08-21T12:34:50 < zyp> also 2013-08-21T12:34:51 < zyp> 10:38:01 < Lt_Lemming> woot! "I’ve put you forward to my manager as my preferred candidate." <--- email I just got about the job I interviewed for today :-D 2013-08-21T12:34:52 < Lt_Lemming> retroflecting urinals would be kinda annoying 2013-08-21T12:34:54 < zyp> 10:38:02 < zyp> that was fucking annoying 2013-08-21T12:35:27 < zyp> I know I type fast, but I'm not fast enough to process what you wrote, come up with an insult to it and type it out all within a second 2013-08-21T12:35:34 < karlp> you have timestamps with _seconds_ on them in irc? 2013-08-21T12:35:36 < Lt_Lemming> eh mine showed like 5 seconds, my networks likely being dodgy again 2013-08-21T12:35:42 < karlp> you're losing 3 precious horizontal characters! 2013-08-21T12:35:43 < Lt_Lemming> karlp, I do as well 2013-08-21T12:35:44 < zyp> karlp, of course 2013-08-21T12:35:52 < Lt_Lemming> and I have 5000 lines of scroll back 2013-08-21T12:36:13 < karlp> scrollback sure, me too, but seconds I don't see a lot of use for. 2013-08-21T12:36:13 < Lt_Lemming> on a channel like this I normally have about three or four days in the buffer 2013-08-21T12:36:32 < Lt_Lemming> karlp, I play/run IRC trivia occasionally 2013-08-21T12:36:34 < zyp> karlp, I know people doing milliseconds, admittedly as a running joke, but still :) 2013-08-21T12:36:46 < Lt_Lemming> IRC trivia is pretty much the reason I can touch type 2013-08-21T12:36:58 * Laurenceb needs to decide: write thesis or write up his hyperloop implementation 2013-08-21T12:37:02 < Lt_Lemming> beofore playing that lots I used to be very much a hunt'n'peck typist 2013-08-21T12:37:08 < Lt_Lemming> hyperloop! 2013-08-21T12:37:13 < Laurenceb> the hyperloop thing is funny 2013-08-21T12:37:23 < Laurenceb> the Musk proposal was fail on every level 2013-08-21T12:37:36 < Laurenceb> ive redesigned it, but it need writing up 2013-08-21T12:37:52 < Lt_Lemming> err, I read that, it seemed pretty well backed up to me 2013-08-21T12:37:54 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-21T12:38:04 < Laurenceb> today i discovered the Musk ergonomics dont work 2013-08-21T12:38:09 < zyp> Laurenceb, are you gonna kickstart it? 2013-08-21T12:38:11 < Laurenceb> you have to redesign the seating 2013-08-21T12:38:14 < Laurenceb> heh 2013-08-21T12:38:19 < Laurenceb> im like to.... 2013-08-21T12:38:28 < zyp> «get your own hyperloop today» 2013-08-21T12:38:33 < Laurenceb> dunno if im up for organising someth ing like that 2013-08-21T12:38:38 < Laurenceb> prob not 2013-08-21T12:39:10 < Laurenceb> Lt_Lemming: the worst thing is the water -> steam cooling 2013-08-21T12:39:19 < Laurenceb> steam takes up more volume 2013-08-21T12:39:27 < Lt_Lemming> unless you compress it 2013-08-21T12:39:29 < Laurenceb> so the Musk design fails epically 2013-08-21T12:39:30 < Laurenceb> no 2013-08-21T12:39:42 < Laurenceb> lurn 2 enthalpy diagram 2013-08-21T12:40:00 < Laurenceb> the Musk thermodynamics are all wrong and fudged 2013-08-21T12:40:09 < karlp> Lt_Lemming: even on trivia, what do you do with seconds, use it to dispute a win/loss? 2013-08-21T12:40:15 < Lt_Lemming> yes 2013-08-21T12:40:19 < Laurenceb> his entire paper is a clusterfuck 2013-08-21T12:40:21 < karlp> timestamps are client side, so you can't rely on that. 2013-08-21T12:41:07 < karlp> you can find countless examples of different clients showing irc messges in different orders with different timestamps 2013-08-21T12:41:15 < Lt_Lemming> karlp, sure but it's my client that matters when I am running it 2013-08-21T12:41:16 < karlp> anyway, ecah to their own :) 2013-08-21T12:41:38 < Lt_Lemming> and when someone else is running it and their is a time limit on questions... 2013-08-21T12:54:35 < Laurenceb> ah finally 2013-08-21T12:54:37 < Laurenceb> http://ambivalentengineer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/hyperloop-heat-balance.html 2013-08-21T13:02:30 < Laurenceb> "The "steam tank" in the Hyperloop proposal, which is not labelled with any dimensions, would weigh 3500 kg and be the same size as the entire vehicle. Uh, Houston, we have a problem..." 2013-08-21T13:02:32 < Laurenceb> lolling 2013-08-21T13:32:53 <@Tectu> zyp, ping 2013-08-21T13:32:58 < zyp> hi 2013-08-21T13:35:28 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T13:39:05 <@Tectu> zyp, just got a letter from the swiss post - digikey did not put an invoice in/on the package and now they cannot calculate the proper VAT. 2013-08-21T13:41:02 < jpa-> for me, UPS has always done the customs from digikey no problem 2013-08-21T13:41:23 < jpa-> but can't you just send the invoice by email and be done with it? 2013-08-21T13:41:26 < zyp> same here, UPS handles customs before they give it to the national mail 2013-08-21T13:41:48 < zyp> and yes, mailing them an invoice should be fine 2013-08-21T13:41:50 <@Tectu> jpa-, I can and I did. Yet it will delay the delivery 2013-08-21T13:41:59 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T13:42:07 <@Tectu> they even write on the letter that mailing is just fine 2013-08-21T13:42:13 < zyp> sounds like you have shitty mail in your country 2013-08-21T13:42:19 < jpa-> or shitty ups 2013-08-21T13:42:22 <@Tectu> I asked them in the mail if I'll get a demand bill or if I have to pay when I receive the package - just in case 2013-08-21T13:42:37 < jpa-> though here they charge 10 € for doing the customs; i'd much rather just mail it myself 2013-08-21T13:42:38 < zyp> jpa-, or shitty regulations preventing UPS to do their job properly 2013-08-21T13:42:43 < zyp> from* 2013-08-21T13:42:51 < jpa-> zyp: true 2013-08-21T13:43:39 <@Tectu> so today in school I learned that a big mac costs the most in norway... 2013-08-21T13:43:54 <@Tectu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index 2013-08-21T13:44:16 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T13:44:45 < zyp> old news 2013-08-21T13:44:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-21T13:44:53 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-21T13:46:05 <@Tectu> how comes? Is that a taxes thing to avoid fast food people like muricans or is it just that it's too much logistics to get it up there? 2013-08-21T13:46:39 <@Tectu> in switzerland it's more expensive because they are forced to use swiss meat and swiss salade. also they must manufacture special containers just for switzerland 2013-08-21T13:46:44 <@Tectu> same with redbull and that stuff 2013-08-21T13:46:55 <@Tectu> a redbull here costs 3 to 4 times as much as in germany 2013-08-21T13:47:11 < zyp> mostly the pay for the kids preparing them, I guess 2013-08-21T13:47:22 <@Tectu> what? 2013-08-21T13:48:10 < zyp> mcd needs to hire people to prepare food 2013-08-21T13:48:17 < zyp> hiring people costs money 2013-08-21T13:48:32 <@Tectu> you wrote kids, didn't you? 2013-08-21T13:48:51 < zyp> most mcd employees are «kids» 2013-08-21T13:49:23 < zyp> at least that's the impression I've got 2013-08-21T13:49:59 <@Tectu> aaah 2013-08-21T13:50:15 < jpa-> norway is not a cheap country, except for oil :) 2013-08-21T13:55:37 < Laurenceb> www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkI4P6GlLgk 2013-08-21T14:01:49 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.92] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T14:06:40 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-21T14:09:28 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-21T14:09:42 < Posterdati> otg usb explained in rm0008 is a mess 2013-08-21T14:10:40 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-21T14:13:46 -!- __dumb [75fedd37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.254.221.55] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T14:14:06 -!- __dumb [75fedd37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.254.221.55] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-21T14:25:34 < zyp> dongs, stencils fucking where? 2013-08-21T14:26:33 < Laurenceb> at stencil pron studio 2013-08-21T14:31:54 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.156] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T14:39:25 < zyp> Posterdati, feel free to look at my driver code 2013-08-21T14:39:43 < Posterdati> ok 2013-08-21T14:56:56 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T14:58:36 < dongs> zyp, another tracking. got boards already? stencil should be +- 1 day. 2013-08-21T14:59:45 < dongs> Package has been sorted and forwarded 2013-08-21T14:59:46 < dongs> 2013-08-21 10:25, 0024 OSLO 2013-08-21T15:00:55 < zyp> ah, great 2013-08-21T15:01:19 < zyp> got the number? 2013-08-21T15:01:26 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-74-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T15:01:56 < dongs> you'll probly get it today or tomrorow i guess? 2013-08-21T15:02:04 < zyp> tomorrow I guess 2013-08-21T15:04:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T15:05:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-21T15:05:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-21T15:18:14 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23776063 2013-08-21T15:18:20 < Laurenceb> lol dusty filth 2013-08-21T15:40:35 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T15:43:30 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-74-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-21T16:02:28 -!- olasd [~olasd@pdpc/supporter/active/olasd] has left ##stm32 [] 2013-08-21T16:02:59 < Posterdati> zyp: where's your code? 2013-08-21T16:05:23 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb 2013-08-21T16:05:45 < zyp> dwc_otg for the specifics, builds on the base in generic 2013-08-21T16:06:07 < zyp> f1_usb is the device only core in F103 2013-08-21T16:11:54 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a94-133-98-250.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T16:12:37 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-21T16:20:43 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a94-133-98-250.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-21T16:28:03 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T16:28:22 -!- Jimboobrien [~jim@66-168-229-7.static.mtgm.al.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T16:28:59 <@Tectu> zyp, ping 2013-08-21T16:29:19 -!- Jimboobrien [~jim@66-168-229-7.static.mtgm.al.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-21T16:31:27 <+Steffanx> Why some people say "ping" instead of the question they want to ask? 2013-08-21T16:31:58 <@Tectu> maybe because they don't want to ask a question but have a dialog 2013-08-21T16:32:25 <+Steffanx> Why they just don't start and wait for an answer? 2013-08-21T16:32:52 <@Tectu> again: because there's no question 2013-08-21T16:33:04 < dongs> beacuse dongs. 2013-08-21T16:33:04 < dongs> Steffanx: ping 2013-08-21T16:33:04 < dongs> (end of transmission) 2013-08-21T16:34:15 < zyp> pong 2013-08-21T16:34:30 <@Tectu> zyp, just received the package 5 minutes ago o.O 2013-08-21T16:34:36 <@Tectu> I really don't know how they did do that 2013-08-21T16:34:55 < zyp> they drove to your door and gave it to you. 2013-08-21T16:35:11 <@Tectu> -.- 2013-08-21T16:39:51 < amstan> zyp: hey, still awake? 2013-08-21T16:40:17 <+Steffanx> * zyp: ping 2013-08-21T16:40:19 < Posterdati> please help, in the 107 usb otg device it is necessary to clear an irq bit in the GINTSTS after serving the corrisponding isr? 2013-08-21T16:40:26 < amstan> zyp: any more ideas? 2013-08-21T16:48:31 < dongs> Posterdati: have you tried looking at "USB_FS Library" by ST? 2013-08-21T16:50:00 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-21T16:51:04 < Posterdati> dongs: yes 2013-08-21T16:51:15 < Posterdati> dongs: I'm looking it now 2013-08-21T17:04:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-21T17:15:55 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-21T17:16:08 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@173.252.19.214] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T17:27:40 < zyp> amstan, which ideas? 2013-08-21T17:28:01 < zyp> if you want speed, get a chip with FSMC, use that. 2013-08-21T17:31:49 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-21T17:45:16 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-93-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T17:45:16 -!- Activate_for_mor is now known as Inteliada 2013-08-21T17:48:10 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@163.sub-75-196-35.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T17:49:24 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-21T17:51:06 -!- Inteliada [~spheric@host-93-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-21T17:53:56 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-74-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T17:58:06 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-74-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-21T18:01:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-21T18:04:06 <@Tectu> should flux (paste in a syringe) be stored in a fridge or something? I got it packed in a thermal insulating bubble foil together with an ice pack 2013-08-21T18:04:23 < jpa-> yes and no 2013-08-21T18:04:24 <@Tectu> or shouldn't it just get too warm? 2013-08-21T18:04:27 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T18:04:45 < jpa-> if you want it to remain in specs, you need to store it in the temperature that is given in the datasheet 2013-08-21T18:05:01 < karlp> depends who you bought it from, like what jpa said 2013-08-21T18:05:05 < jpa-> but if you just manually reflow a small batch of stuff and adjust the heating to match, it is not so important 2013-08-21T18:05:35 <@Tectu> it's some 10cc syringe from ChipQuick I got off digikey and I really just use it for manual TQFP soldering 2013-08-21T18:05:51 < jpa-> yeah, doesn't matter for manual stuff really 2013-08-21T18:06:03 <@Tectu> okay, thanks! 2013-08-21T18:06:36 <@Tectu> it's funny how they sell it as "no cleaning required" but the small paper that came with it mentiones in the to do list "Clean remaining residue with alcohol pad" 2013-08-21T18:06:50 <@Tectu> maybe I misunderstand the term "no cleaning required" 2013-08-21T18:07:18 < zyp> telling you how to clean it doesn't necessarily mean you have to 2013-08-21T18:07:18 <@Tectu> are they trying to say "you should clean it, however it does not leave any residue that would make it look ugly? 2013-08-21T18:07:28 < zyp> no 2013-08-21T18:07:51 < zyp> they are saying that the left residue aren't electrically harmful, but if you care how it looks here's how you clean it 2013-08-21T18:08:39 < jpa-> yeah, "if you don't care how it looks, you don't have to clean" 2013-08-21T18:08:43 <@Tectu> aah 2013-08-21T18:08:46 <@Tectu> that's a good one 2013-08-21T18:09:18 < jpa-> (usually it also doesn't look too bad if you reflow properly and apply proper amount of paste) 2013-08-21T18:09:48 < zyp> I don't tend to clean my reflowed boards, they come out great enough as is 2013-08-21T18:09:49 <@Tectu> I'm very surprised by the viscosity of the paste. The stuff I know from work is very very very "stiff" / "hard" and you need A LOT of force to get it out of the syringe <-- is that just old as fuck? 2013-08-21T18:10:12 < zyp> probably dried out and dead 2013-08-21T18:10:30 <@Tectu> well, still worked after you got it out 2013-08-21T18:13:17 < karlp> do they still make fluxes that _must_ be cleaned off? 2013-08-21T18:13:25 < Sync__> my 500g tubs tend to go after 2 years 2013-08-21T18:13:25 < karlp> the ones that used to slowly dissolve the board itself? 2013-08-21T18:13:26 -!- jamesson [6c35cee7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.53.206.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T18:13:27 < Sync__> yes karlp 2013-08-21T18:13:44 < jamesson> how do I talk to an outboard dsp? 2013-08-21T18:13:55 < zyp> you shout 2013-08-21T18:14:05 < Sync__> yeah 2013-08-21T18:14:07 < Sync__> very loud 2013-08-21T18:14:08 < jamesson> zyp: heh 2013-08-21T18:14:27 <@Tectu> lol 2013-08-21T18:14:32 < zyp> your question is unclear, please clarify 2013-08-21T18:16:41 < jamesson> But, sorry for the newbie question. Lets say I need to reconfigure a dsp on a per-application basis. (not the one on the chip, some additional one that I select). Do I compile code on a computer and then upload, or compile code on the arm, or what? 2013-08-21T18:17:12 < zyp> the former 2013-08-21T18:20:41 < jamesson> zyp: OK, and which dsp can I lok at that uses gcc or g++? 2013-08-21T18:20:56 < zyp> no idea 2013-08-21T18:21:21 < jamesson> ok, well its a start ty 2013-08-21T18:22:52 * Tectu gives zyp a beer 2013-08-21T18:26:06 -!- Intelaida_ [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T18:29:59 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@163.sub-75-196-35.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-21T18:32:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-232-250.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T18:38:13 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-21T18:45:17 < jpa-> i hate it how objdump uses silly names for arm registers, like 'sl' or 'ip' 2013-08-21T18:45:56 <@Tectu> bugreport? 2013-08-21T18:46:08 < jpa-> nah, i think it is by design 2013-08-21T18:47:00 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T18:47:49 < jpa-> debugging a crash from this http://kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/pix/hardfault.jpg 2013-08-21T18:47:55 < jpa-> too lazy to request the memory dump 2013-08-21T18:48:41 <@Tectu> hmm, DSO... what are you doing this time? 2013-08-21T18:48:52 < jpa-> my program doesn't work for some guy 2013-08-21T18:51:28 <@Tectu> only for one? with identical hardware? 2013-08-21T18:51:30 <@Tectu> happy debugging 2013-08-21T19:04:45 < jpa-> i wonder if the dwarf debug format includes info about what variable is stored in which register 2013-08-21T19:05:07 < jpa-> it seems it should, but pdwtags nor dwarfdump seem to show it 2013-08-21T19:05:58 < jpa-> ah 2013-08-21T19:06:18 < jpa-> actually dwarfdump shows it, i was just looking at the record for the declaration and not for the definition 2013-08-21T19:06:41 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/cmP/plain 2013-08-21T19:06:54 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.179] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T19:28:38 < jpa-> hmm.. apparently a badly flashed image for some reason 2013-08-21T19:29:01 < jpa-> i wonder if i should make it calculate a checksum of itself on boot 2013-08-21T19:30:40 <@Tectu> how much time would that take? 2013-08-21T19:31:09 < jpa-> none, really 2013-08-21T19:31:19 < jpa-> some milliseconds, insignificant 2013-08-21T19:31:32 < jpa-> but takes time to code it 2013-08-21T19:31:59 <@Tectu> I see 2013-08-21T19:41:10 -!- jamesson [6c35cee7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.53.206.231] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-21T19:55:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.49.60] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T20:19:08 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T20:19:40 -!- johntramp [~john@125-237-7-66.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-21T20:22:59 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-42-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T20:24:35 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-21T20:42:46 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-21T20:49:27 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-21T21:12:21 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-42-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-21T21:22:11 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-21T21:27:55 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-21T22:09:36 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-21T22:09:40 < Posterdati> please help 2013-08-21T22:11:16 < Posterdati> I'm trying to write an USB OTG device driver, but I didn't understand the CMOD use in GINTSTS 2013-08-21T22:11:42 < Posterdati> after the board reset it is = 1 (host mode), how can I switch to device mode? 2013-08-21T22:28:43 -!- Mobyfab_ [~Mobyfab@lcb.netyxia.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T22:30:04 -!- johntramp [~john@125-237-7-66.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T22:30:07 -!- grummund [~user@aa.dnsdojo.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T22:30:10 -!- grummund [~user@aa.dnsdojo.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-21T22:30:10 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T22:30:25 < jpa-> Posterdati: set the FDMOD bit, like in https://github.com/zyp/laks/blob/master/usb/dwc_otg.h#L142 2013-08-21T22:30:51 -!- Intelaida_ [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-21T22:39:58 < Posterdati> tx 2013-08-21T22:49:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.49.60] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-21T22:56:46 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-21T23:07:35 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T23:18:11 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T23:20:50 -!- efuentes [465bc731@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.91.199.49] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T23:24:54 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.179] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T23:25:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-232-250.nomad.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-21T23:26:10 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-21T23:27:08 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-21T23:28:12 -!- Mobyfab_ [~Mobyfab@lcb.netyxia.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-21T23:33:47 < efuentes> Hi everyone! 2013-08-21T23:34:38 < efuentes> I was hoping to find some more information about what changes are needed in the linker script when I want to generate position independent code 2013-08-21T23:34:56 < efuentes> if someone could point me in the right direction, it would be appreciated! 2013-08-21T23:35:49 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-21T23:41:45 < karlp> heh 2013-08-21T23:45:36 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4NL9i-Fu15hhYGB-d0hmSWD1fcIvLvn1 2013-08-21T23:58:54 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] --- Day changed Thu Aug 22 2013 2013-08-22T00:07:55 -!- efuentes [465bc731@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.91.199.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-22T00:35:09 -!- amstan [~alex@69-165-128-147.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T00:35:09 -!- amstan [~alex@69-165-128-147.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-22T00:35:09 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T00:36:51 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T00:38:34 < amstan> anyone know what's wrong with this? https://github.com/ornotermes/ministm32_v3/blob/master/ads7843.c#L57 2013-08-22T00:38:38 < amstan> all the bits are reversed 2013-08-22T00:38:43 < amstan> both for sending and for recieving 2013-08-22T00:38:50 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T00:39:55 < amstan> ah... i think i know 2013-08-22T00:40:04 < amstan> if i comment line 44 i have to flip the sending too in order for it to work 2013-08-22T00:43:39 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.227.240] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T00:43:42 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-22T00:45:01 < amstan> yay, working 2013-08-22T00:49:55 <+dekar> I've done a minimalistic Lua benchmark (loop a million times): stm32f1 double: 5672ms, stm32f1 float: 5002ms, stm32f4 double: 1762ms, stm32f4 float: 403ms 2013-08-22T00:50:38 < zyp> now, do F3 as well 2013-08-22T00:50:46 <+dekar> I don't have any :/ 2013-08-22T00:51:09 < zyp> I'm interested in knowing how much of the difference is the FPU and how much is the other improvements 2013-08-22T00:51:29 < karlp> isn't f3 m4f as well? 2013-08-22T00:51:41 < zyp> exactly, it's like a F1 with FPU 2013-08-22T00:52:54 < zyp> hmm, otherwise you could disable FPU on F4 and test 2013-08-22T00:52:55 <+dekar> There's more than the FPU, GCC tells me about vectorizing some loops when compiling for f4. 2013-08-22T00:53:13 < zyp> yes 2013-08-22T00:53:31 <+dekar> I'll test with disabled FPU tomorrow :) 2013-08-22T00:54:14 < zyp> I could do the F3 test here if it's not too much work 2013-08-22T00:54:20 <+dekar> Still I was surprised how much faster the F4 was even in double mode. Does double profit from the FPU? 2013-08-22T00:54:28 < karlp> how is it like an f1 with fpu? now you're making me feel stupid. 2013-08-22T00:54:37 < zyp> dekar, unsure, that's why I wonder 2013-08-22T00:54:57 <+dekar> zyp, it's proprietary code :/ 2013-08-22T00:55:02 < zyp> karlp, F3 is structurally very similar to F1 2013-08-22T00:55:36 < zyp> dekar, and you can't even share binaries? 2013-08-22T00:55:37 < karlp> you mean the way the memory and ibus/dbus shit's hooked up? 2013-08-22T00:55:42 < zyp> karlp, exactly 2013-08-22T00:55:45 < karlp> fair enough 2013-08-22T00:56:03 < karlp> can't say I've ever eneeded to look that closely at it :) 2013-08-22T00:56:12 <+dekar> Not up to me, but I'll test tomorrow. 2013-08-22T00:56:53 <+Steffanx> i guess the f4 is running at 168mhz and the F1 at 72mhz dekar? 2013-08-22T00:56:58 <+dekar> yeah 2013-08-22T00:57:32 <+dekar> Now that you say that, I haven't tried overclocking the F4 so far :) 2013-08-22T00:57:37 <+Steffanx> heh 2013-08-22T01:06:56 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You can use it on TI eStore 2013-08-22T08:54:58 < dongs> too bad TI dosn't have anythingf of value 2013-08-22T08:55:18 < scrts> well, ordered two Cortex-M4 devkits 2013-08-22T08:55:28 < scrts> probably won't use it now, but if it's for free... 2013-08-22T08:56:21 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-22T08:59:04 < dongs> I still ahve 2 of thier stellaris launchpads 2013-08-22T08:59:13 < dongs> shit's actually obsolete now since they shitheaped that product line 2013-08-22T08:59:17 < dongs> and replaecd with something similarly shitty 2013-08-22T09:06:59 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.226.84] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T09:07:02 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-22T09:10:39 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.227.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-22T09:12:53 < dongs> whats the shittiest MCU that BMP will run on? 2013-08-22T09:12:59 < dongs> it doesnt need a lot of pins/resources right? 2013-08-22T09:14:01 < PaulFertser> Fits in 64k flash. 2013-08-22T09:14:06 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-22T09:14:21 < jpa-> stm32f100 is pretty shitty 2013-08-22T09:14:40 < jpa-> or whatever is on the discovery board 2013-08-22T09:14:43 < jpa-> was it 103 2013-08-22T09:14:49 < PaulFertser> 103 in stlink 2013-08-22T09:15:33 < PaulFertser> So, basically, anything with usb device controller. 2013-08-22T09:15:51 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T09:15:52 < PaulFertser> Thanks to libopencm3 it was ported to launchpads too. 2013-08-22T09:17:18 < dongs> 103 in stlink 2013-08-22T09:17:43 < dongs> F100 is 24mhz 2013-08-22T09:17:48 < dongs> and no usb 2013-08-22T09:17:52 < dongs> so F103 is minimum? 2013-08-22T09:18:58 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-22T09:21:53 < PaulFertser> TI has some rather cool buffer IC: SN74LVC16T245DLR , I couldn't find the same from anyone else. 2013-08-22T09:22:35 < dongs> 16bit buffer? 2013-08-22T09:22:41 < dongs> seems standard, no? 2013-08-22T09:22:44 < dongs> also nonstock e vrywhere 2013-08-22T09:23:03 < PaulFertser> Fast and wide voltage range etc. 2013-08-22T09:23:16 < PaulFertser> I wanted to use it to buffer JTAG. 2013-08-22T09:23:27 < dongs> but you dont need 16 bits for jtag 2013-08-22T09:23:29 < dongs> like 4? or something 2013-08-22T09:24:34 < PaulFertser> I wanted to buffer uart too. And I wanted to cover all target voltages, starting from 2.8V or less to 5V with >20MHz speed. 2013-08-22T09:25:08 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T09:26:16 < PaulFertser> scrts: thank you for sharing 2013-08-22T09:28:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T09:40:47 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-22T09:46:58 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T10:01:34 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-22T10:09:28 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-17-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-22T10:10:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-22T10:12:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T10:26:24 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-17-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T10:33:49 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.7] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T10:41:35 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T10:49:27 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-17-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-22T10:54:03 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T10:58:57 -!- ntfreak_ [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T10:59:51 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-22T11:10:32 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-22T11:12:59 < Lt_Lemming> just got back from 2nd interview for the position I went for.... 2013-08-22T11:13:02 < Lt_Lemming> I got the job! 2013-08-22T11:13:33 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 2013-08-22T11:13:49 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T11:17:48 < jpa-> Lt_Lemming: so what job is it? 2013-08-22T11:17:58 < dongs> im sure totally not STM32 related 2013-08-22T11:18:20 < jpa-> isn't everything on this channel? 2013-08-22T11:18:28 < zyp> :) 2013-08-22T11:18:34 < dongs> haha 2013-08-22T11:22:43 <+Steffanx> Good one jpa- :D 2013-08-22T11:23:18 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-22T11:23:44 <+Steffanx> Aren't you the only one who actually uses stm32 for his daily job dongs? 2013-08-22T11:24:41 < jpa-> i also use stm32 at work 2013-08-22T11:24:47 < jpa-> though i only work for 1.5 weeks anymore 2013-08-22T11:25:21 <+Steffanx> work or .. thesis stuff? 2013-08-22T11:27:01 <+Steffanx> and surprise surpise... ubuntu edge not funded and it'll "never" be manufacturered. 2013-08-22T11:33:08 < Lt_Lemming> jpa-, onsite sysadmin/support for an Oil & Gas Exploration company 2013-08-22T11:33:53 <+Steffanx> BP or shell? :P 2013-08-22T11:34:15 < Lt_Lemming> Schlumberger 2013-08-22T11:34:30 < dongs> lol ubuntu edge 2013-08-22T11:34:32 < dongs> link to drama 2013-08-22T11:34:50 < Lt_Lemming> it failed funding? 2013-08-22T11:34:54 < Lt_Lemming> big surprise :-P 2013-08-22T11:34:56 <+Steffanx> because you ask so nicely: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge dongs <== 2013-08-22T11:35:09 < dongs> ya was just openign that 2013-08-22T11:35:17 <+Steffanx> Don't forget to read the sad stories in the "updates" section 2013-08-22T11:35:46 < dongs> Most importantly, the big winner from this campaign is Ubuntu. While we passionately wanted to build the Edge to showcase Ubuntu on phones, the support and attention it received will still be a huge boost as other Ubuntu phones start to arrive in 2014. Thousands of you clearly want to own an Ubuntu phone and believe in our vision of convergence, and rest assured you won’t have much longer to wait. 2013-08-22T11:35:51 < dongs> haha 2013-08-22T11:35:54 < dongs> no, i'm sorry 2013-08-22T11:35:56 < dongs> "T want ubunto on my phone 2013-08-22T11:35:57 < dongs> ever. 2013-08-22T11:36:00 <+Steffanx> Schlumberger is a small player in the business Lt_Lemming? 2013-08-22T11:36:00 < dongs> i DON 2013-08-22T11:36:05 < Lt_Lemming> no 2013-08-22T11:36:17 < Lt_Lemming> Schlumberger is 3 times the size of Haliburton 2013-08-22T11:36:20 <+Steffanx> I've never heard of it. 2013-08-22T11:36:35 < dongs> Schlumberger is hueg 2013-08-22T11:36:45 < Lt_Lemming> yeah, they apparently keep quite a low profile 2013-08-22T11:37:05 < dongs> Steffanx: its only worlds largest oil-trash related company 2013-08-22T11:37:26 <+Steffanx> I guess they don't screw up nature as the other two famous ones. 2013-08-22T11:37:41 < dongs> enron wand whatever? yeah. 2013-08-22T11:38:07 < dongs> no who was it that recently fucked shit up 2013-08-22T11:38:13 <+Steffanx> The what? 2013-08-22T11:38:26 <+Steffanx> BP? Or fukushima? :P 2013-08-22T11:38:41 <+Steffanx> ( don't know the name of the company ) 2013-08-22T11:39:35 <+Steffanx> or do you mean canonical dongs? :P 2013-08-22T11:39:44 < dongs> canonical dongs. 2013-08-22T11:39:56 < dongs> i was thinking the horizon spill, i guess that was BP 2013-08-22T11:45:12 <+Steffanx> shell is doing that 24/7, but you never hear about it :P 2013-08-22T11:49:26 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T11:51:26 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.226.84] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-22T11:52:15 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T11:59:30 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.226.84] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T11:59:33 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-22T12:00:06 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.226.84] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-22T12:14:01 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-22T12:16:49 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T12:21:30 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-22T12:23:38 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@247.sub-75-244-158.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T12:24:22 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-22T12:24:28 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T12:33:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T12:54:30 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T12:57:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-22T12:57:50 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-22T13:04:38 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@247.sub-75-244-158.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-22T13:13:42 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-22T13:15:29 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T13:16:28 < zyp> dongs, received stencil as well 2013-08-22T13:16:49 < zyp> who adjusted the paste layer? 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Yeah. 2013-08-22T15:09:25 <+Steffanx> Or Delphi. 2013-08-22T15:10:08 < jpa-> vb1 was nice 2013-08-22T15:10:54 <+Steffanx> Im too young for that. 2013-08-22T15:11:24 < jpa-> old things didn't exist when you were young? 2013-08-22T15:12:25 <+Steffanx> Too young to say if it was nice or not, as i never tried it 2013-08-22T15:13:24 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T15:13:59 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-22T15:14:35 <+Steffanx> It was release in the year you married not, jpa-? 2013-08-22T15:14:38 <+Steffanx> *released 2013-08-22T15:15:09 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T15:16:22 < jpa-> Steffanx: nah, actually i found it on old floppies that my father had 2013-08-22T15:16:33 < jpa-> it was a lot nicer than qbasic 2013-08-22T15:23:42 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Quit: The g33k's are in the house OMGosh! DANGER!!1one] 2013-08-22T15:28:51 < zyp> 12:34:54 < dongs> got same drain/source swap fail 2013-08-22T15:29:05 < zyp> that's why I told you to draw some decent symbols for it 2013-08-22T15:29:14 < zyp> and not a dumb box with randomly placed pins 2013-08-22T15:29:35 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.7] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-22T15:29:55 < jpa-> last time he had a decent symbol placed wrong way around 2013-08-22T15:30:59 < jpa-> i wish schematic editors would have more advanced ERC.. allowing checks like "PFET source should be higher than drain" etc. 2013-08-22T15:31:13 < jpa-> of course it would be impossible to check in the general case, but many common cases could be handled 2013-08-22T15:33:43 < dongs> zyp: ya 2013-08-22T15:33:47 < dongs> zyp: it went deeper than that 2013-08-22T15:33:52 < dongs> apaprently it was sim'd 2013-08-22T15:33:58 < dongs> but the simulator didnt have body diodes in pfet 2013-08-22T15:34:00 < dongs> lolol 2013-08-22T15:38:36 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T15:38:36 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-22T15:38:36 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-22T15:38:51 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T15:44:44 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-22T16:10:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23798253 2013-08-22T16:10:44 < dongs> holy fuck 2013-08-22T16:10:52 < dongs> .net binary read/writer classes are not endian-configurable 2013-08-22T16:10:53 < dongs> lulz 2013-08-22T16:11:02 < dongs> LE or fuckoff. 2013-08-22T16:11:07 <+Steffanx> That story is old Laurenceb 2013-08-22T16:12:41 < karlp> dongs: for realz? that's pretty lame. 2013-08-22T16:12:51 < dongs> yeah man 2013-08-22T16:13:02 < dongs> the "solutions" I see are as ridiculous as the problem 2013-08-22T16:13:03 < karlp> guess you should be using .net micro on your target so it is all the same :) 2013-08-22T16:14:13 < dongs> haha 2013-08-22T16:19:01 < dongs> im curious how .netmf would even handle that 2013-08-22T16:19:09 < dongs> it might be just outputting shit little-endian 2013-08-22T16:19:16 < dongs> regardless of platform 2013-08-22T16:21:34 < dongs> Laurenceb: beep 2013-08-22T16:21:41 < Laurenceb> wut 2013-08-22T16:21:55 < dongs> any idea how I can draw constellation diagram? 2013-08-22T16:22:07 < Laurenceb> do you have a ublox? 2013-08-22T16:22:34 < dongs> No but I have like constellation data points or someshit 2013-08-22T16:22:41 < dongs> if I draw it, shit ends up in lower right corner 2013-08-22T16:22:41 < Laurenceb> UBX supports azimuth elevation and stuff 2013-08-22T16:22:43 < dongs> isntead of filling all corners 2013-08-22T16:22:49 < Laurenceb> i dunno lol 2013-08-22T16:22:55 < Laurenceb> what are you trying to draw? 2013-08-22T16:23:02 < Laurenceb> elevation angles? 2013-08-22T16:23:19 < dongs> neither 2013-08-22T16:23:21 < dongs> sec 2013-08-22T16:23:23 < dongs> trying to up0load pic 2013-08-22T16:23:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/12UHEXj.png this trash ends up in only lower right quadrant 2013-08-22T16:23:49 < Laurenceb> oh 2013-08-22T16:23:55 < Laurenceb> that sort of conetellation 2013-08-22T16:23:59 < Laurenceb> i thought you mean gps 2013-08-22T16:24:06 < Laurenceb> for some random reason 2013-08-22T16:24:32 < Laurenceb> what sort of QAM is it supposed to be? 2013-08-22T16:25:04 < dongs> 64 2013-08-22T16:25:14 < dongs> and I have data for ... 5616 carriers 2013-08-22T16:25:24 < Laurenceb> wow 2013-08-22T16:25:42 < Laurenceb> so you only have 1 third of the constallation 2013-08-22T16:25:59 < Laurenceb> prob something if your code not plotting them or something? 2013-08-22T16:26:06 < Laurenceb> *a quarter 2013-08-22T16:26:08 < Laurenceb> not a third 2013-08-22T16:26:18 < dongs> i wonder if im supposed to like 2013-08-22T16:26:23 < Laurenceb> i donno lol 2013-08-22T16:26:30 < dongs> switch quadrants somewehre 2013-08-22T16:26:44 < dongs> hm 2013-08-22T16:29:07 < dongs> http://www.home.agilent.com/upload/cmc_upload/All/CustomOFDM.pdf oh, page 4 2013-08-22T16:29:09 < dongs> i think thats what i need 2013-08-22T16:29:18 < dongs> 'map subcarrier I-Q values back to QAM constellations" 2013-08-22T16:35:12 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T16:35:13 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-22T16:44:01 < dongs> apparently its a oneliner in matlap 2013-08-22T16:44:06 < dongs> matlab rather 2013-08-22T16:46:06 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-22T16:47:36 < Posterdati> please help, I've got wrong ISR executing on stm32h107: first time OTG_FS_IRQHandler is called correctly, after that IRQ jumps to unimplemented ISR (DefaultHandler) 2013-08-22T16:47:51 < dongs> its calling something else you didnt implement. 2013-08-22T16:48:20 < Posterdati> ... 2013-08-22T16:50:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T16:51:11 < dongs> http://whiteboard.ping.se/SDR/IQ gettin close 2013-08-22T16:55:24 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-22T16:58:09 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T17:01:49 < Posterdati> dongs: iser[ 0 ] = 128 -> EXTI1 (correctly served), iser[ 2 ] = 8 -> OTG_FS (correctly served) the other iser's are all zeros 2013-08-22T17:02:20 < Posterdati> dongs: icer[ x ] = iser[ x ] 2013-08-22T17:02:44 < Posterdati> dongs: iabr[ 2 ] = 8 2013-08-22T17:03:00 < Posterdati> dongs: icpr[ x ] = 0 2013-08-22T17:03:21 < Posterdati> dongs: ip = 293 zeroes 2013-08-22T17:03:29 < Posterdati> dongs: stir = 0 2013-08-22T17:03:56 < dongs> iduno is there no other USB related for OTG? 2013-08-22T17:04:12 < Posterdati> on cl there's wakeup isr 2013-08-22T17:04:17 < Posterdati> and otg_fs only 2013-08-22T17:04:49 < dongs> oh right i never even palyed with _CL. I only use USB_LP_CAN1_RX0_IRQHandler on F103 2013-08-22T17:05:07 < dongs> i remmeber seeing special #if CL defines in usblib 2013-08-22T17:05:10 < dongs> maybe wanna look at what those do? 2013-08-22T17:05:26 < Posterdati> yes because it uses an FS device 2013-08-22T17:07:53 < Posterdati> vector table is sligthly different 2013-08-22T17:08:01 < Posterdati> but I'm using a CL based startup code 2013-08-22T17:08:09 < Posterdati> checked against rm0008 2013-08-22T17:11:09 < Posterdati> compiled code seems to correctly fill the vector table 2013-08-22T17:13:46 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2013-08-22T17:14:53 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T17:19:25 < Posterdati> dongs: vector table is correct 2013-08-22T17:22:01 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@bzq-82-81-240-22.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-22T17:22:08 < dongs> hm 2013-08-22T17:22:41 < Posterdati> after I initialized NVIC with OTG_FS interrupt, it jumps to OTG_FS_IRQHandler 2013-08-22T17:23:14 < Posterdati> as I step out from OTG_FS_IRQHandler it loops in USART3_IRQHandler 2013-08-22T17:24:33 < Posterdati> could be bad writings in 0x50000000 area? 2013-08-22T17:25:17 < Laurenceb> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4117997&cid=44642157 2013-08-22T17:27:59 < Posterdati> dongs: I removed the code in OTG_FS_IRQHandler and NVIC continuosly jumps in OTG_FS_IRQHandler 2013-08-22T17:28:27 < dongs> hokay, so maybe you're acutally hitting hardfault? 2013-08-22T17:28:30 < dongs> do you have a handler for that? 2013-08-22T17:28:33 < dongs> i.e. your shit is crashing 2013-08-22T17:28:49 < Posterdati> yes, with registers salvaging code 2013-08-22T17:29:05 < Posterdati> but it never goes into that 2013-08-22T17:29:34 < Posterdati> I placed a forever loop inside hardfault after it saves the registers for inspection 2013-08-22T17:29:44 < Laurenceb> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4114897&cid=44640721 2013-08-22T17:29:48 < Laurenceb> irl lolling 2013-08-22T17:30:58 < dongs> Laurenceb: is that monty python because im not laughing 2013-08-22T17:32:30 < Posterdati> dongs: it's a bad writing in 0x50000000 area 2013-08-22T17:32:52 < dongs> nice. 2013-08-22T17:33:22 < Posterdati> actually I mapped by myself the otg registers, maybe I did some bad padding 2013-08-22T17:37:21 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-22T17:57:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T17:58:04 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-22T17:58:04 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-22T18:02:43 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T18:08:28 <@Tectu> say hellouw 2013-08-22T18:08:47 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-22T18:10:55 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-22T18:34:42 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T18:36:18 -!- Intelaida_ [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T18:44:40 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-22T18:52:45 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-22T18:52:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-22T18:53:31 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.130.124] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-22T19:00:28 <+Steffanx> Tectu: ping 2013-08-22T19:01:01 <@Tectu> Steffanx, pong 2013-08-22T19:01:08 <@Tectu> how may I help? 2013-08-22T19:01:22 <+Steffanx> Hi! 2013-08-22T19:02:15 <@Tectu> ?! 2013-08-22T19:02:16 <@Tectu> hello. 2013-08-22T19:10:51 < scrts> :))) 2013-08-22T19:12:05 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T19:29:04 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@c-71-224-59-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-22T19:31:27 < Laurenceb> given as she's got years of history, plus the army medical inspection said she had gender dysmorphia, probably not just thinking now would be a fun time to experiment 2013-08-22T19:31:30 < Laurenceb> and so it begins 2013-08-22T19:32:27 <+Steffanx> Whatever Laurenceb 2013-08-22T19:33:20 < zyp> got my bladerf today, but I have too many other toys to play with right now :/ 2013-08-22T19:33:48 <+Steffanx> it's a perfect dust collector anyway. 2013-08-22T19:34:08 < zyp> :p 2013-08-22T19:34:42 < zyp> probably need to get some more SMA cables/adapters and some antenna to hook it up to before I can pick up anything 2013-08-22T19:34:54 < zyp> just running it loopback wouldn't be much fun 2013-08-22T19:43:58 <@Tectu> I love to buy SMA connectors and adapters... you can be sure that you won't have any money left afterwards 2013-08-22T19:44:13 < zyp> :p 2013-08-22T19:44:31 < zyp> pretty much everything I have so far is RP-SMA 2013-08-22T19:44:40 <@Tectu> RP? 2013-08-22T19:44:46 < zyp> reverse polarity 2013-08-22T19:44:56 < zyp> i.e. what you find on all the wlan stuff 2013-08-22T19:45:02 <@Tectu> aah 2013-08-22T19:45:23 < zyp> and then I have some nice QMA cables, so some SMA-QMA adapters would be nice 2013-08-22T19:48:39 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2013-08-22T19:49:32 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T19:50:04 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-178-004-017-017.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-22T19:56:06 <@Tectu> now I have to google QMA... thank you -.- 2013-08-22T19:58:47 < jon1012> someone tried the STM32F429VGT6 yet ? 2013-08-22T19:59:16 < jon1012> I don't find where to order it from :( (I hope it's pin compatible with STM32F407VGT6/VET6) 2013-08-22T19:59:50 <@Tectu> jon1012, they should be pincompatible 2013-08-22T20:00:16 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@148.sub-75-244-173.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T20:00:18 < jon1012> Tectu, yeah that's what I think too, but I can't order them to test 2013-08-22T20:00:20 <@Tectu> jon1012, I don't remember if it was the F43x or the F42x or actually both, but some of then cannot be ordered yet and some of them you only get with a good reason (because of the crypto) 2013-08-22T20:00:28 <@Tectu> yeah, I think they are not available for public yet 2013-08-22T20:00:32 < jon1012> Tectu, oh ok :( 2013-08-22T20:00:40 < jon1012> Tectu, because I need more ram and CPU power 2013-08-22T20:00:45 <@Tectu> but maybe that only applied to the 43x 2013-08-22T20:00:49 < jon1012> Tectu, and those seem a good fit for a drop-in upgrade 2013-08-22T20:00:51 <@Tectu> you can use external SRAM :D 2013-08-22T20:01:04 <@Tectu> and you won't really get more CPU power 2013-08-22T20:01:05 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-22T20:01:20 < jon1012> Tectu, 180mhz instead of 168mhz from what they say 2013-08-22T20:01:46 <@Tectu> jon1012, I'm not sure if you're really going to notice that 2013-08-22T20:02:22 <@Tectu> but it surely depends on the application 2013-08-22T20:02:28 < jon1012> Tectu, I already overclock them to 216 mhz 2013-08-22T20:02:30 <@Tectu> (damn, is surely even a real word?) 2013-08-22T20:02:45 <@Tectu> w00t... are you sure that an STM32 is the right thing for your application? 2013-08-22T20:03:07 < jon1012> eh... I guess an fpga would work better, but I've never worked with fpgas :) 2013-08-22T20:03:17 <@Tectu> probably a good time to start with? 2013-08-22T20:03:58 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T20:04:42 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-22T20:04:58 < BJfreeman> just curious what requires that clock speed? 2013-08-22T20:05:35 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T20:05:38 < jon1012> graphic processing for led display 2013-08-22T20:05:49 < jon1012> (and bit banging :)) 2013-08-22T20:05:58 <@Tectu> can you give some more infos? 2013-08-22T20:06:21 <@Tectu> but I assume an FPGA will be suited better for that job for sure, unless you need some engine stuff, then I don't know (there are some special graphic chips ofc) 2013-08-22T20:06:21 < jon1012> I basically get pictures, and get them displayed on rgb led displays 2013-08-22T20:06:34 < BJfreeman> the discoveries are not 176 pins so some pins have multiple functions 2013-08-22T20:06:38 < jon1012> doing dcaning and stuff like that 2013-08-22T20:06:40 < BJfreeman> oops 2013-08-22T20:06:44 < jon1012> scaning* 2013-08-22T20:07:06 < BJfreeman> even using DSP? 2013-08-22T20:08:25 < BJfreeman> I use the STM for video recognition 2013-08-22T20:12:21 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: and like that, he's gone] 2013-08-22T20:13:39 <@Tectu> jon1012, go for an FPGA, seriously 2013-08-22T20:14:09 <@Tectu> jon1012, I know, everything is hard at the beginning, but what you have to do does not seem to be that increddible complicated, even for a beginner 2013-08-22T20:14:14 <@Tectu> (if you're willing to learn it, of course) 2013-08-22T20:14:36 < jon1012> Tectu, yeah maybe, but I don't know where to start at all :) 2013-08-22T20:14:54 <@Tectu> jon1012, neither did I (I just started with some FPGA stuff just a few weeks ago myself too) 2013-08-22T20:15:05 <@Tectu> well, I first came into contact with them last january 2013-08-22T20:15:17 <@Tectu> but never really got into it because I first did the ARM and aanalog stuff 2013-08-22T20:15:25 <@Tectu> now I reach the point where I seriously have to do the FPGA stuff 2013-08-22T20:16:03 <@Tectu> jon1012, there are some pretty affordable ones out there. an iCE40 might be enough for your purposes. Otherwise the DE0-Nano dev board costs around 75 - 100$ and has quite a good FPGA on it 2013-08-22T20:16:34 < jon1012> Tectu, it includes a programmer to program my fpga outside the dev board afterwards ? 2013-08-22T20:16:52 <@Tectu> jon1012, not the DE0-Nano. But the iCE40 gets configured over SPI 2013-08-22T20:17:05 < jon1012> ok 2013-08-22T20:17:11 <@Tectu> jon1012, I am currently working on a project where I have an STM32F407 and an iCE40. The STM32 configures the FPGA over SPI 2013-08-22T20:17:50 < jon1012> with an fpga I won't be able to do the usb stuff, I'll still need an mcu for that, right ? 2013-08-22T20:17:56 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T20:18:28 <@Tectu> you can do USB with an FPGA 2013-08-22T20:18:43 <@Tectu> basically, you can do anything with your FPGA. You can also put a CPU inside it 2013-08-22T20:19:06 <@Tectu> there are working IP cores (something like a library) for common peripherals out there 2013-08-22T20:19:13 < jon1012> ok 2013-08-22T20:19:31 < jon1012> I'll need an external ram chip I guess too 2013-08-22T20:20:48 < jon1012> Tectu, thank for the pointers :) 2013-08-22T20:21:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.66] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T20:23:16 <@Tectu> johntramp, all the dev-boards from terasic.com with Altera FPGAs on it (take a look at the Cyclone ones) have RAM on the board 2013-08-22T20:23:20 <@Tectu> SRAM and SDRAM 2013-08-22T20:23:25 -!- Intelaida_ [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-22T20:23:28 <@Tectu> (mainly the latter) 2013-08-22T20:23:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-22T20:57:25 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.215] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T21:01:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T21:04:41 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.179] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T21:07:11 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-22T21:08:33 <@Tectu> Steffanx, are we friends? 2013-08-22T21:09:03 <+Steffanx> Always! 2013-08-22T21:09:44 <@Tectu> good. 2013-08-22T21:16:05 < jpa-> Steffie, are we friends? 2013-08-22T21:16:12 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: where is he on the jpa- scale? 2013-08-22T21:16:16 < BrainDamage> as in from 1 to jpa- 2013-08-22T21:16:54 <@Tectu> it depends. if he likes jpa-, I am 42 * jpa-. If not, I am -42 * jpa- 2013-08-22T21:17:09 <+Steffanx> You cannot use jpa- as a scale. That is im-f-ing-possible. 2013-08-22T21:17:35 < jpa-> yes, it is possible that you are f*ing 2013-08-22T21:18:15 <+Steffanx> No, not really. 2013-08-22T21:18:24 < jpa-> hmm i haven't seen any dreams about Steffanx for a while.. too bad :/ 2013-08-22T21:18:38 <+Steffanx> It's BrainDamage's turn now? 2013-08-22T21:18:48 <+Steffanx> im ok with that. 2013-08-22T21:19:26 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-22T21:19:28 < jpa-> last night i saw a dream that we had moved to a brick house and i leaned against an inner wall, it broke down and turns out there is a huge passage inside the wall 2013-08-22T21:20:48 <+Steffanx> Sounds like an average National treasure movie 2013-08-22T21:21:33 < jpa-> i'm just amazed how much stuff we have accumulated in this appartment 2013-08-22T21:22:56 <@Tectu> throw.it.away. 2013-08-22T21:23:36 <+Steffanx> 1080p.WEB-DL.H264-PublicHD 2013-08-22T21:23:40 < jpa-> i do, all the useless crap 2013-08-22T21:23:41 <+Steffanx> ? 2013-08-22T21:24:05 < jpa-> but i can't bear throw away good-as-new stuff, especially if it is something that i know i'll eventually need 2013-08-22T21:25:20 <+Steffanx> Don't you feel very sad you had to leave your previous house jpa-? 2013-08-22T21:25:25 <@Tectu> Steffanx, how much do you like me? 2013-08-22T21:25:38 < jpa-> Steffanx: slightly, i'll miss the view 2013-08-22T21:25:38 <+Steffanx> You dont want to know 2013-08-22T21:25:46 < jpa-> Steffanx: but on the other hand, change is often good 2013-08-22T21:25:51 <+Steffanx> No city view in the appartment? 2013-08-22T21:26:03 <+Steffanx> -p 2013-08-22T21:27:42 < jpa-> well old place has this http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/view.jpg 2013-08-22T21:29:39 <+Steffanx> oh, city view 2013-08-22T21:29:51 <+Steffanx> I expected a nice lake view. 2013-08-22T21:30:24 < jpa-> i can see atleast 3 lakes there on a clear day 2013-08-22T21:33:32 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-22T21:44:19 -!- Joker_ [d5f22910@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.41.16] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T21:47:39 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T22:03:50 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-22T22:04:57 <@Tectu> what's that tower-like thing on the left? It looks like some pylon for a highway with a crane on it 2013-08-22T22:05:17 <@Tectu> for a view-tower it's not tall enough 2013-08-22T22:05:22 <@Tectu> but the crane could be an antenna 2013-08-22T22:06:22 < jpa-> water tower 2013-08-22T22:06:42 <@Tectu> aaah, right 2013-08-22T22:06:46 <@Tectu> never saw one of these before 2013-08-22T22:07:11 <@Tectu> (well, of course the old western ones from movies) 2013-08-22T22:07:20 < jpa-> quite common in finland 2013-08-22T22:08:24 <@Tectu> yeah, we have no need for them here 2013-08-22T22:14:12 < karlp> Tectu: you don't need a "good reason" for crypto, you just need to not live in a country on the export controls list, that's all. 2013-08-22T22:15:25 <@Tectu> karlp, which would be? German friends couldn't get them 2013-08-22T22:15:32 <@Tectu> neither did a guy from france 2013-08-22T22:16:39 < BrainDamage> somehow related: http://getprsm.com/ 2013-08-22T22:16:47 < karlp> well, if they aren't yet general availability, sure, that too, 2013-08-22T22:18:31 <@Tectu> karlp, well, I had to ask "special questions" by digikey for an order of a solder iron holder, flux, FPGA and SRAM 2013-08-22T22:18:48 <@Tectu> "hobby use" was the wrong answer - where zyp seems to go just fine with that one 2013-08-22T22:18:59 <@Tectu> I wonder how much they really care about the country of destination 2013-08-22T22:19:20 < zyp> heh 2013-08-22T22:19:25 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.128.76] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T22:20:02 <@Tectu> BrainDamage, why does it say "PRISM" on the very bottom? 2013-08-22T22:20:17 < BrainDamage> you don't know what prism is? 2013-08-22T22:21:19 <@Tectu> I do - I don't see through the project / thing / webpage. is that some kind of gag/sarcasm or some serious thing or what? 2013-08-22T22:22:54 < BrainDamage> sarcasm 2013-08-22T22:23:06 <@Tectu> thank you 2013-08-22T22:24:55 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.128.76] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-22T22:31:13 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T22:31:32 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-22T22:31:33 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@drupal.org/user/72475/view] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T22:38:06 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-22T22:38:35 <@Tectu> meh... please give me a comment to this crap: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/84237067/WP_20130822_003.mp4 2013-08-22T22:38:48 <@Tectu> it flashes faster as more current is drained 2013-08-22T22:39:53 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T22:40:43 <+Steffanx> Why you need a comments? 2013-08-22T22:40:46 <+Steffanx> -s 2013-08-22T22:41:38 <@Tectu> I lack the creativity to tell that guy how stupid he is to buy crap like that 2013-08-22T22:42:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T22:43:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-22T22:48:42 < GargantuaSauce> i dunno it definitely has novelty value 2013-08-22T22:48:56 < GargantuaSauce> chide him for the rpi instead 2013-08-22T22:50:26 < jpa-> Tectu: why is it stupid to buy that? just because you don't like it? 2013-08-22T22:51:56 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T22:52:15 <@Tectu> jpa-, mainly because it's literally a waste of money 2013-08-22T22:53:44 <+Steffanx> I know at least two guys that waste time too often.. 2013-08-22T22:53:49 <+Steffanx> *3 2013-08-22T22:54:00 <@Tectu> time? 2013-08-22T22:54:04 <+Steffanx> time 2013-08-22T22:54:07 <+Steffanx> time = money rememeber 2013-08-22T22:54:07 <@Tectu> time! 2013-08-22T22:54:08 <+Steffanx> ? 2013-08-22T22:54:15 <@Tectu> well 2013-08-22T22:55:14 < jpa-> Tectu: it costs a few dollars probably? 2013-08-22T22:55:16 < jpa-> who cares 2013-08-22T22:56:09 <@Tectu> obviously I do 2013-08-22T22:56:14 <@Tectu> but probably I just shouldn't 2013-08-22T22:56:20 < jpa-> you care so much about other peoples money also? 2013-08-22T22:57:19 <@Tectu> yep 2013-08-22T22:57:23 <@Tectu> becaus their money is mine 2013-08-22T22:57:29 <@Tectu> + too 2013-08-22T22:57:35 <@Tectu> damn, that could be misunderstood 2013-08-22T22:57:49 < GargantuaSauce> what are you some kinda COMMIE 2013-08-22T22:57:53 < jpa-> in many ways 2013-08-22T22:58:23 <@Tectu> no 2013-08-22T22:58:26 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.deandeluca.com/glace-luxury-ice.aspx be angry at stupid luxury goods instead 2013-08-22T22:58:31 < GargantuaSauce> or perhaps browse kickstarter 2013-08-22T22:58:42 <@Tectu> it's capitalism if you see other peoples money as your own (if they are clients of yours or something) 2013-08-22T22:58:47 < jpa-> Tectu: money does not disappear when it is spent 2013-08-22T22:58:50 < GargantuaSauce> and see all the garbage people spend their money on there 2013-08-22T22:59:08 <@Tectu> we could start another audiophool discussion 2013-08-22T22:59:14 <@Tectu> that might make me a bit less sad, probably 2013-08-22T22:59:14 < jpa-> Tectu: why is it ok if someone wastes $200 on ugfx? wouldn't it be better if they didn't? 2013-08-22T22:59:29 < GargantuaSauce> also by that logic you should see that guy's silly usb cable as a business opportunity 2013-08-22T22:59:32 <@Tectu> jpa-, stop bringing good arguments. 2013-08-22T22:59:55 < GargantuaSauce> he has demonstrated a desire to buy novelty electronics 2013-08-22T23:00:02 < GargantuaSauce> so make some damn novelty electronics 2013-08-22T23:00:04 < GargantuaSauce> and sell them to him 2013-08-22T23:00:31 <@Tectu> nah, I'm currently more thinking of getting into the luxury ice business 2013-08-22T23:00:55 < GargantuaSauce> it's a cutthroat market, you'll have a hard time breaking in 2013-08-22T23:01:50 < BrainDamage> as in people will murder eachother with ice picks? 2013-08-22T23:05:22 <@Tectu> lol 2013-08-22T23:16:28 -!- alexn [~alexn@188-192-186-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-22T23:16:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-22T23:50:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Day changed Fri Aug 23 2013 2013-08-23T00:02:13 -!- alexn [~alexn@188-192-186-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-23T00:04:09 < Laurenceb_> Bradley MANning : first example of Nomnative Antideterminism 2013-08-23T00:18:08 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host103-221-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-23T00:23:06 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@148.sub-75-244-173.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-23T00:27:33 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T00:32:16 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T00:41:51 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host103-221-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T00:43:01 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-23T00:44:17 -!- dekar [~dekar@drms-590c54c0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T00:44:19 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-23T00:56:30 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-23T01:01:59 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T01:08:37 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T01:09:06 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-23T01:19:52 -!- jef79m is now known as chatkiller 2013-08-23T01:47:06 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T01:56:03 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@c-71-198-192-33.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-23T02:16:10 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-23T02:17:12 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@drms-4d0141a6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T02:17:15 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-23T02:17:54 < amstan_> scrts: what's the prerequisites for that? 2013-08-23T02:18:11 < amstan_> scrts: do you have to buy something more than epsilon? or can you just use it for free? 2013-08-23T02:18:30 < amstan_> s/that/ti voucher 2013-08-23T02:19:39 -!- dekar [~dekar@drms-590c54c0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-23T02:23:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T02:24:52 < karlp> scrts: how actually do you use that voucher? is that "National-1yr" a magic keyword? 2013-08-23T02:30:33 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@drms-4d0141a6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-23T02:31:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dgu2p.jpg 2013-08-23T02:32:29 < karlp> oops! 2013-08-23T02:49:11 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T03:02:36 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.175] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T03:05:52 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-23T03:10:47 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.226.84] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T03:10:48 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-23T03:16:45 -!- chatkiller is now known as jef79m 2013-08-23T03:32:23 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-23T03:33:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T03:41:34 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-23T03:55:45 < dongs> haha 2013-08-23T03:55:47 < dongs> dixus7 is a giant failure 2013-08-23T03:55:53 < dongs> repeatable reboot when playing wiht camera settings 2013-08-23T03:55:55 < dongs> what a fucking joke 2013-08-23T04:00:51 -!- amstan_ is now known as amstan 2013-08-23T04:09:27 -!- CoolBear [~hightower@ti0069a380-0372.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-23T04:56:26 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-23T04:59:42 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T05:06:06 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-23T05:22:46 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T05:24:29 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-23T05:27:35 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-23T05:29:11 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-23T05:31:00 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T05:38:01 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T06:00:46 -!- CoolBear [~hightower@ti0069a380-0828.bb.online.no] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T06:16:58 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-23T06:17:08 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T07:10:23 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-23T07:10:32 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T07:36:58 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-84-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T07:39:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-23T07:46:58 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-23T07:53:17 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T08:12:45 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T08:22:36 < scrts> amstan -> prerequisites for what? You just have 25USD and buy anything You like from the eStore 2013-08-23T08:23:26 < scrts> karlp -> add items to cart, enter all details and when You'll reach the payment page, on the right side of the page will be coupon code edit field - enter the magic word there and press apply 2013-08-23T08:23:45 < dongs> what is ther @ TI estore thats wroth $25 2013-08-23T08:23:46 < dongs> anything good? 2013-08-23T08:24:49 < scrts> nothing, just some Cortex-M4 launchpads or picolo/hercules stuff afaik 2013-08-23T08:29:33 < MrM0bius> dongs, http://forum.43oh.com/topic/4259-ti-back-to-school-promotion/ 2013-08-23T08:30:20 < MrM0bius> also they knocked the price of the old M4 boards down to $8 2013-08-23T08:31:05 < dongs> I doint have any problems wiht stm32 :) 2013-08-23T08:31:12 < dongs> no need to waste time learning another crappy mcu 2013-08-23T08:31:59 < MrM0bius> :) 2013-08-23T08:32:32 < MrM0bius> those old M4 boards were an abortion anyway. the only reason anyone gets them now is to download logic analyzer firmware and use it for that 2013-08-23T08:33:37 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-23T08:33:46 < englishman> maybe you can put that $25 as a down payment on a graphing calculator from 1996 2013-08-23T08:34:42 < scrts> dongs -> what cpu is not crappy? 2013-08-23T08:34:55 < dongs> stm32? 2013-08-23T08:35:06 < MrM0bius> englishman, which model would that be? 2013-08-23T08:35:12 < dongs> MrM0bius: M4F stellaris shit? 2013-08-23T08:35:29 < dongs> M4F more like A2M 2013-08-23T08:38:24 < englishman> MrM0bius: this? https://epsstore.ti.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10131&sitex=10023:22372:US 2013-08-23T08:39:04 < MrM0bius> A2M? like from clerks 2? 2013-08-23T08:41:13 < MrM0bius> englishman, lol, youre right. i didnt even know they still sold those. they have 4mhz Z80s. they upgraded it to 15mhz and added a ton of flash so i thought they stopped selling the 4mhz version 2013-08-23T08:41:43 < dongs> what the fuck 2013-08-23T08:41:46 < dongs> why would anyone need this 2013-08-23T08:41:53 < dongs> you can probably emulate that shit on your assdroid phone 2013-08-23T08:41:54 < dongs> faster 2013-08-23T08:42:26 < englishman> yes, there are real emus that use dumped roms 2013-08-23T08:42:33 < MrM0bius> yes, and spend 5 times longer trying to type on your shitty touch screen 2013-08-23T08:42:48 < MrM0bius> assuming your math teacher lets smart phones in class 2013-08-23T08:43:02 < englishman> assuming your math program lets you use calculators 2013-08-23T08:43:34 < englishman> vs. teaching you to punch numbers into calculators 2013-08-23T08:44:35 < MrM0bius> yes, because doing logarithms and trig identities by hand makes you better at math 2013-08-23T08:50:30 < dongs> it just makes you a faggot for taking math in the first place 2013-08-23T08:51:05 < MrM0bius> better just to work at burger king 2013-08-23T08:51:59 < dongs> yep 2013-08-23T08:55:01 -!- 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It jumps in when I plug it in sometimes. 2013-08-23T16:19:20 < dongs> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/08/22/2345221/misinterpretation-of-standard-causing-usb-disconnects-on-resume-in-linux 2013-08-23T16:19:23 < dongs> lol lunix 2013-08-23T16:20:40 < zyp> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4119415&cid=44650385 <- this guy has the solution 2013-08-23T16:22:29 <+Steffann> Did the specify a 'maximum' timeout as well? 2013-08-23T16:22:44 <+Steffann> heh, zyp 2013-08-23T16:22:59 <+Steffann> *did they 2013-08-23T16:23:53 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-23T16:24:28 < dongs> 2013 and lunix usb is broken 2013-08-23T16:24:35 < dongs> itdoesnt get funnier than that 2013-08-23T16:24:39 <+Steffann> Yes windows is perfect. 2013-08-23T16:24:42 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@109.48.127.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-23T16:24:52 < dongs> Steffann: at least windows had a working USB stack since '98 2013-08-23T16:25:08 < dongs> and proper handling for surprise removal etc. 2013-08-23T16:25:15 < dongs> lunix shit will still crash and burn if you pull a mounted USB stick 2013-08-23T16:25:17 < dongs> in 2013 2013-08-23T16:25:20 < dongs> that is fucking ridiculous. 2013-08-23T16:25:24 < zyp> dongs, complete with xhci drivers, I assume 2013-08-23T16:25:48 <+Steffann> Yes, you never get a BSOD with usb devices on windows. 2013-08-23T16:26:00 < dongs> Steffann: i haven't, so yes. 2013-08-23T16:33:25 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2013-08-23T16:37:48 < Laurenceb> hmm 2013-08-23T16:37:55 < Laurenceb> usb removal works fine for me 2013-08-23T16:38:14 < Laurenceb> NOOOOOOOOO 2013-08-23T16:38:21 < Laurenceb> ballmer is retiring 2013-08-23T16:38:40 <+Steffanx> Cant care less 2013-08-23T16:38:58 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8M6S8EKbnU 2013-08-23T16:43:13 < Laurenceb> no more of this :( 2013-08-23T16:44:33 <+Steffanx> We have you... 2013-08-23T16:47:03 -!- Activate_for_mor 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has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-24T00:08:15 < Laurenceb_> serious lack of trolling 2013-08-24T00:09:09 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-50-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T00:09:26 < Laurenceb_> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/swiftnav/piksi-the-rtk-gps-receiver/posts 2013-08-24T00:09:29 < Laurenceb_> ooh nice 2013-08-24T00:09:47 < Laurenceb_> kind of... looks overengineered 2013-08-24T00:16:26 <+dekar__> Laurenceb_, so it allows for precise GPS positions, can you tell me why so many people seem to be in need for that? O.o 2013-08-24T00:17:05 < Laurenceb_> for UAV stuff 2013-08-24T00:17:19 < gxti> the prices seem kind of silly 2013-08-24T00:17:42 < Laurenceb_> its very cheap compared to the competition 2013-08-24T00:17:45 <+dekar__> That's what I thought, yet people are buying it :) 2013-08-24T00:18:12 < Laurenceb_> heh Michele Bavaro is on there 2013-08-24T00:18:17 < Laurenceb_> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/swiftnav-discuss/bkrsdMUPuf4 2013-08-24T00:18:19 < gxti> i mean i know that type of receiver is expensive, but the support circuitry is trivial and the price difference between the early adopter and the others is very large 2013-08-24T00:20:14 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-24T00:21:02 < gxti> or is it not a module? too lazy to read very closely 2013-08-24T00:22:07 < Laurenceb_> its a full receiver 2013-08-24T00:22:20 < Laurenceb_> the only problem is the VHDL is secret 2013-08-24T00:22:30 < Laurenceb_> but the FPGA interface is documented 2013-08-24T00:23:01 -!- Joker_ [d5f22910@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.242.41.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-24T00:23:04 < gxti> i'll give them a pass if it's a custom receiver then 2013-08-24T00:23:38 < Laurenceb_> the FPGA is doing basic filtering and correlation, so its not too important i guess 2013-08-24T00:23:52 < Laurenceb_> guessing the VHDL stuff is just to prevent trivial cloning 2013-08-24T00:24:04 < gxti> wonder how good NEO-6P is, you can sample it for "only" $180 direct from ublox 2013-08-24T00:24:05 < Laurenceb_> all the important code in on the F4 2013-08-24T00:24:18 < Laurenceb_> not ass open 2013-08-24T00:24:22 < Laurenceb_> oops 2013-08-24T00:24:37 < Laurenceb_> thats what Bradley Manning said 2013-08-24T00:25:17 < Laurenceb_> someone did gps with NEO-6P and an arduino iirc 2013-08-24T00:25:30 <+dekar__> dongs, I wonder whether the matchboxARM people got a license for that: http://www.amazon.com/The-Lotus-Flower/dp/B00192TLD0 2013-08-24T00:25:50 < gxti> sure, using the module is the same as for any other thing. same footprint as other neo-6. it's just really expensive in small quantities. 2013-08-24T00:25:50 < Laurenceb_> but it was very slow 2013-08-24T00:25:58 < gxti> ah 2013-08-24T00:26:04 < Laurenceb_> nah they were doing full pos fix on the avr 2013-08-24T00:26:12 < Laurenceb_> using raw timing data 2013-08-24T00:26:16 < gxti> hmm 2013-08-24T00:26:19 < Laurenceb_> bbl 2013-08-24T00:26:21 < gxti> slow because of arduino then? 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2013-08-24T02:58:36 < dongs> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm/ 2013-08-24T02:58:39 < dongs> yesss 2013-08-24T02:58:43 < dongs> dying like BSD 2013-08-24T02:59:59 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T03:00:58 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-24T03:02:23 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-24T03:05:28 < emeb> Laurenceb: is it feasible to implement SDR GPS in an STM32? 2013-08-24T03:07:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T03:15:28 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T03:18:21 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-24T03:19:07 -!- Toneloc [~Toneloc@93.107.191.150] has quit [] 2013-08-24T03:19:31 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.227.48] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T03:19:32 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-24T03:22:31 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.238.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-24T03:25:05 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T03:38:02 < dongs> fucking gopro spamming me with their dumb videos 2013-08-24T03:38:06 < dongs> already did unsubscribe like 3 times 2013-08-24T03:38:08 < dongs> shit keeps coming 2013-08-24T03:38:19 < emeb> unsubscribe -> bitbucket 2013-08-24T03:45:06 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-24T04:07:26 <+dekar_> dongs, the song they use for their video. 2013-08-24T04:07:38 < dongs> oh 2013-08-24T04:07:47 < dongs> the video was shit too 2013-08-24T04:07:52 < dongs> it was showing some blinking led if I rmeember 2013-08-24T04:27:04 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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2013-08-24T12:08:37 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-90-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-24T12:10:26 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.128.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-24T12:10:59 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-99-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T12:26:23 <@Tectu> This is somehow an VHDL related question... I really don't see through the system with: architecture arch of fooo is... the arch thing seems to have different variants such as rtl. I don't find information which explain what these are and what differences they make. Any hints? 2013-08-24T12:27:48 <@Tectu> behav is another of those 2013-08-24T12:36:10 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.133.196] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T12:42:44 < R2COM> description of arch is not VHDL code specific 2013-08-24T12:42:46 < R2COM> it can be any 2013-08-24T12:42:51 < R2COM> I use "behavioral" 2013-08-24T12:42:54 < R2COM> or "struct" 2013-08-24T12:43:00 < R2COM> its for my informational purpose only 2013-08-24T12:43:27 < R2COM> they make no difference on code/synthesis 2013-08-24T12:52:40 <@Tectu> aah 2013-08-24T12:53:48 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@46.121.105.135] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T12:53:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T12:56:53 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@2.55.132.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-24T13:14:22 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.133.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-24T13:39:26 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.146] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T13:39:27 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@2.54.250.192] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T13:41:26 -!- AndChat-336756 [~AndChat33@46.121.105.135] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T13:43:17 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@46.121.105.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-24T13:43:43 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@2.54.250.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-24T13:43:55 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@2.55.129.128] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T13:46:24 -!- AndChat-336756 [~AndChat33@46.121.105.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-24T13:49:26 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.134.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-24T13:55:31 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@46.121.105.135] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T13:57:41 -!- arnonh [~AndChat33@2.55.129.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-24T14:12:24 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-24T14:19:22 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T14:26:07 < Laurenceb_> oh noes 2013-08-24T14:26:12 < Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ TED image 5 2013-08-24T14:34:33 <+Steffanx> i bet you're in love with her, but too afraid to admit. 2013-08-24T14:35:20 < Laurenceb_> most annoying person ever 2013-08-24T14:35:45 <+Steffanx> Why? 2013-08-24T14:35:52 < Laurenceb_> "when is the graphics acceleration coming??" "if you are so smart why dont you write it yourself" 2013-08-24T14:36:02 < Laurenceb_> and other amazing statements on the forum 2013-08-24T14:36:20 <+Steffanx> You know, it's very easy to avoid people like that on the web. 2013-08-24T14:36:47 < Laurenceb_> and now irl as well 2013-08-24T14:36:55 < Laurenceb_> as shes in the middle of a field somewhere 2013-08-24T14:37:15 < Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-24--11-24-01-PIE-479.jpeg?u=41 2013-08-24T14:37:21 < Laurenceb_> wtf this looks retarded 2013-08-24T14:37:46 <+Steffanx> it does? 2013-08-24T14:41:20 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-24T14:42:29 <+Steffanx> Except for that it's a bear that hangs on a ballon in the air. Where is the retarted part Laurenceb_? 2013-08-24T14:44:27 < Laurenceb_> every part 2013-08-24T14:44:59 <+Steffanx> Every single part? Meh, i think it has some nice parts. 2013-08-24T14:52:01 < dongs> Back in the mid-1990s to the mid-2000s when I used Windows, I realized sleep mode was a complete joke, unreliable, and just stopped using it by the time I upgraded to Windows XP or shortly after. In Linux, I am still not a fan of waiting for the damn thing to "wake up" for 5-10 seconds before it will even accept my password, so the only component that ever even enters standby on my machines is the moniter (and this has been the case for over a dec 2013-08-24T14:52:08 < dongs> is that guy a joker 2013-08-24T14:52:10 < dongs> haha what 2013-08-24T14:52:15 < dongs> suspend to ram has worked since 98se 2013-08-24T14:52:19 < dongs> suspend to disk, since 2k 2013-08-24T14:52:28 < dongs> lunix STILL doesn;'t have working suspend to ram/disk 2013-08-24T14:52:29 < dongs> in 2013 2013-08-24T14:53:04 < dongs> haha So I can close my laptop now instead of carrying it around like a sort of open pizza box for fear of never having a working mouse until the next reboot? How annoying to start a meeting by rebooting a Linux laptop. 2013-08-24T14:53:18 < dongs> now thats more like it 2013-08-24T14:54:17 <+Steffanx> You know, if done properly you boot linux in a few seconds :P 2013-08-24T14:54:26 < dongs> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4119415&cid=44650903 2013-08-24T14:54:33 <+Steffanx> and sleep does work, but most of the time not out of the box, unfortunatly. 2013-08-24T14:55:52 < Laurenceb_> works for me 2013-08-24T14:56:00 < Laurenceb_> but then i have a thinkpad, so it should 2013-08-24T14:56:07 <+Steffanx> but agreed.. it definitly doesn't work well. 2013-08-24T14:56:10 < dongs> Laurenceb_: did you see my pink pcbs 2013-08-24T14:56:16 <+Steffanx> but again.. windows can fail terribly on it as well. 2013-08-24T14:56:21 < dongs> http://www.imgur.com/F3DrKe3.jpeg 2013-08-24T14:56:23 < dongs> http://www.imgur.com/0gXsYlk.jpeg 2013-08-24T14:56:31 <+Steffanx> jpeg :D 2013-08-24T14:56:41 <+Steffanx> that is not purple 2013-08-24T14:57:03 <+Steffanx> it's pink. 2013-08-24T14:57:12 < dongs> < dongs> Laurenceb_: did you see my pink pcbs 2013-08-24T14:57:18 <+Steffanx> oh, fail 2013-08-24T14:57:19 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-24T14:57:24 < Laurenceb_> nice 2013-08-24T14:57:29 <+Steffanx> why i read purple? 2013-08-24T14:57:33 < dongs> no clue 2013-08-24T14:57:33 <+Steffanx> i really read purple :D 2013-08-24T14:57:57 <+Steffanx> but why pink? 2013-08-24T14:58:08 < dongs> well, actually that was supposed to be purple. 2013-08-24T14:58:38 <+Steffanx> Now all you need is some pink nail polish. 2013-08-24T14:59:01 <+Steffanx> And more modern couches. 2013-08-24T15:03:29 < Laurenceb_> they are leather so its easy to clean off after his sex parties 2013-08-24T15:03:52 < Laurenceb_> s/sex party/goatse competitions 2013-08-24T15:04:13 < dongs> http://ng.uavp.ch/moin/FrontPage lol look at this aids 2013-08-24T15:04:56 < dongs> http://ng.uavp.ch/moin/FrontPage?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=uavp-ng-0.24-mini-top-1024.jpg wtf is top left? 2013-08-24T15:05:00 < dongs> some RF trash? 2013-08-24T15:05:05 < dongs> its going to a MCX shit 2013-08-24T15:08:52 <+Steffanx> gps it is 2013-08-24T15:09:52 < dongs> likewhaT? 2013-08-24T15:11:04 < dongs> SkyTra? 2013-08-24T15:11:10 < dongs> http://www.ojumpo.cn/EN/UploadFiles%5Cec8b8cdd-86b6-4f4d-890e-cedb42a4f575634Lp.pdf 2013-08-24T15:11:11 <+Steffanx> You can brows the website yourself uh? 2013-08-24T15:11:11 <+Steffanx> VENUS638FLPX 2013-08-24T15:11:14 < dongs> looks like this trash 2013-08-24T15:11:17 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-24T15:12:45 < dongs> qfn with balls 2013-08-24T15:12:48 < dongs> fucking great. 2013-08-24T15:12:59 <+Steffanx> looks like something digikey and/or mouser dont sell. 2013-08-24T15:13:05 < dongs> i thought ive seen enough dumb packages 2013-08-24T15:14:47 <+Steffanx> isn't it nice humanity keeps surprising you? 2013-08-24T15:14:56 <@Tectu> fail of the day: Putting an LED with a 10R resistor onto the RESET line on an FPGA dev board -> you cannot issue a reset from an off-site controller 2013-08-24T15:15:38 < dongs> fuck 2013-08-24T15:15:42 < dongs> jewtube tried to makea some bullshit google+ crap for me 2013-08-24T15:16:07 <+Steffanx> everyone has a g+ account anyway, some just dont know 2013-08-24T15:16:48 < dongs> http://getprsm.com/ 2013-08-24T15:18:00 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T15:18:28 <+Steffanx> Too bad that website actually uses google analytics. 2013-08-24T15:20:02 <+Steffanx> Actually it's all 'into google'. google api as well. 2013-08-24T15:20:31 < dongs> eh 2013-08-24T15:20:40 < dongs> that GPS can drive a external SPI flash chip for datalogging 2013-08-24T15:20:42 < dongs> thats kinda neat 2013-08-24T15:20:52 < dongs> Laurenceb_ just got obsoleted 2013-08-24T15:20:58 < dongs> by 4 years old taiwanese technology 2013-08-24T15:21:21 <+Steffanx> lol 2013-08-24T15:24:57 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.132.48] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T15:27:02 <@Tectu> how's weather? 2013-08-24T15:27:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-24T15:28:33 <+Steffanx> How's vdhl? 2013-08-24T15:29:19 <@Tectu> similar to the weather: http://images.webcams.travel/original/1113821365.jpg 2013-08-24T15:29:34 <+Steffanx> looks nice 2013-08-24T15:29:59 < dongs> lol .travil 2013-08-24T15:47:41 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-24T16:04:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-24T16:08:50 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2013-08-24T16:08:51 < Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ 2013-08-24T16:08:56 < Laurenceb_> actual decent photos 2013-08-24T16:14:38 < Laurenceb_> lol teddy release failed 2013-08-24T16:14:45 < Laurenceb_> fail ted stratos 2013-08-24T16:22:05 < Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-24--13-15-17-ELATED-4C0.jpeg?u=78 2013-08-24T16:23:21 <+Steffanx> wonderful. 2013-08-24T16:23:25 <+Steffanx> Small images with a teddy. 2013-08-24T16:24:06 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-229-67.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T16:24:50 <+Steffanx> We missed you mr. BrainDamage 2013-08-24T16:25:35 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb wrote some troll crap again and I wasn't there to make a snarky comment on it? 2013-08-24T16:25:43 < Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-24--13-15-17-ELATED-4C0.gif?u=119 2013-08-24T16:25:45 < Laurenceb_> lolling 2013-08-24T16:26:00 -!- arnonh_ [~AndChat33@46.121.105.135] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-24T16:26:04 < Laurenceb_> failure to launch 2013-08-24T16:26:13 < dongs> failure to 404 2013-08-24T16:27:08 < dongs> how fucking hard is it to make a release mechanism 2013-08-24T16:27:11 < dongs> even with using tarduino 2013-08-24T16:27:13 < dongs> cant be THAT hard 2013-08-24T16:27:26 < Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-24--13-15-17-ELATED-4C0.gif?u=129 2013-08-24T16:27:30 < Laurenceb_> yeah nothing happened 2013-08-24T16:29:37 < Laurenceb_> they just wasted a ton of money :P 2013-08-24T16:31:00 < dongs> what part was money 2013-08-24T16:31:02 < dongs> teddybear? 2013-08-24T16:31:16 < dongs> i thought all the trash you fly up is just garbage pieced together from shit 2013-08-24T16:31:20 < dongs> so its like free 2013-08-24T16:31:36 < Laurenceb_> they used a huge balloon envelope 2013-08-24T16:31:40 < Laurenceb_> about £400 2013-08-24T16:31:50 < Laurenceb_> then helium would be pricey 2013-08-24T16:31:53 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T16:31:59 < dongs> so whgy it didnt work 2013-08-24T16:32:15 < dongs> hm whos a_morale 2013-08-24T16:32:22 < Laurenceb_> they prob forgot to solder the detonator 2013-08-24T16:32:22 < dongs> is he from openpilot 2013-08-24T16:32:52 < BrainDamage> quite few things can go wrong, lateral wind, wrong balloon sealing, squirrels, etc 2013-08-24T16:33:00 < Laurenceb_> at one of the launches someone soldered a detonator with the trigger pin set high on the arduino 2013-08-24T16:33:11 < Laurenceb_> nearly lost their fingers 2013-08-24T16:33:16 < BrainDamage> wat 2013-08-24T16:34:04 < dongs> cool 2013-08-24T16:34:09 < dongs> lol @ arduino 2013-08-24T16:34:12 < Laurenceb_> it was a diy one, smokeless powder in a bic biro 2013-08-24T16:34:19 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.66.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T16:34:26 < Laurenceb_> blew bits of biro everywhere 2013-08-24T16:35:43 < dongs> was funny the video where some guy was offering free hugs and some other guy started offering premium hugs charging 25c for them 2013-08-24T16:35:54 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-24T16:37:25 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-24T16:38:28 < Laurenceb_> microsoft hugs 2013-08-24T16:39:13 < dongs> microsoft better not fucking die 2013-08-24T16:39:19 < dongs> becuase the alternatives are fucking horrible 2013-08-24T16:41:38 < Lt_Lemming> I highly doubt microsoft will die 2013-08-24T16:43:19 < dongs> ya, lunix dying is a much more likely scenario 2013-08-24T16:43:25 < dongs> they don't even need any help with that. 2013-08-24T16:43:47 < BrainDamage> don't worry bsd will win in the end! :J 2013-08-24T16:44:00 < dongs> BSD is deader than BSD 2013-08-24T16:44:14 < Lt_Lemming> Linux dying is less likely, but that's not daying much 2013-08-24T16:44:15 < BrainDamage> bsd was never alive in the first place 2013-08-24T16:44:27 < Lt_Lemming> it's kinda impossible for an open source project to ever truly die 2013-08-24T16:44:37 < Lt_Lemming> because anyone can resurrect it 2013-08-24T16:44:48 < Lt_Lemming> propietary stuff... not so much 2013-08-24T16:45:49 < dongs> sorry, you forgot the part where anyone would actually WANT to resurrect lunix. 2013-08-24T16:49:25 < Lt_Lemming> saying that linux is already dying is kinda stupid 2013-08-24T16:49:36 < Lt_Lemming> because the most popular mobile Os atm is linux based 2013-08-24T16:49:44 < dongs> when GPIO peripheral is of. 2013-08-24T16:49:46 < Lt_Lemming> and a large proportion of the worlds servers are running it 2013-08-24T16:49:49 < dongs> why is the pin sinking current 2013-08-24T16:49:54 < dongs> isnt it supposed to be floating 2013-08-24T16:49:57 < dongs> is that the protection diode shits? 2013-08-24T17:03:35 -!- a_morale [~smuxi@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-24T17:05:58 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T17:15:31 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.47.43] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T17:15:33 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-24T17:16:00 <+Steffanx> Lt_Lemming, you know you can say whatever you want to him? He wont listen :P 2013-08-24T17:16:58 < Lt_Lemming> I had noticed there was a certain amount of recalcitrance there 2013-08-24T17:17:07 < Lt_Lemming> http://imgur.com/a/npwsu <--- my bit of productivity tonight 2013-08-24T17:17:38 <+Steffanx> but no stm32.. 2013-08-24T17:18:10 < MrM0bius> what is that for? 2013-08-24T17:18:25 < Lt_Lemming> Access control system MrM0bius 2013-08-24T17:18:44 < Lt_Lemming> it's something I have been working on for a while and am now trying to bring to market 2013-08-24T17:18:55 < Lt_Lemming> Steffanx, next version is going to be STM32F107 based 2013-08-24T17:18:57 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@212.255.248.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-24T17:19:02 < Lt_Lemming> that ethernet module is fucking expensive 2013-08-24T17:19:11 <+Steffanx> What module is it? 2013-08-24T17:19:21 < Lt_Lemming> wiz820io 2013-08-24T17:19:51 <+Steffanx> ah, yeah those are pricy 2013-08-24T17:20:06 < Lt_Lemming> which is a shame because they are REALLY nice modules 2013-08-24T17:20:09 <+Steffanx> ( everything from wiznet is ) 2013-08-24T17:20:10 < Lt_Lemming> and damned small 2013-08-24T17:21:12 < Lt_Lemming> yeah 2013-08-24T17:21:54 < Lt_Lemming> putting the F107 + PHY + Magjack on the board, works out about the same price as ATmega + Wiznet5200 and Madgjack 2013-08-24T17:22:15 < Lt_Lemming> so for like 1billionty times better performance, why the hell wouldn't I? 2013-08-24T17:31:08 < BrainDamage> is the phy a single module with the magjack? 2013-08-24T17:32:36 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-24T17:32:37 < dongs> looks like it 2013-08-24T17:32:51 < dongs> wiznet trahs on teh bottom 2013-08-24T17:32:55 < dongs> SMD magjack 2013-08-24T17:33:04 < dongs> and its mounted on boards on 2.54mmstandoffws 2013-08-24T17:41:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T17:48:12 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.132.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-24T17:51:52 <@Tectu> is there a way to surpress this warning/dialog when you want to (re)launch your program in GDB? Start it from the beginning? (y or n) 2013-08-24T17:53:45 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-99-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-24T17:59:32 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/.gdbinit <- the question is auto-answered when wrapped in define like this 2013-08-24T17:59:35 < zyp> works for me :p 2013-08-24T18:00:01 <@Tectu> aaah 2013-08-24T18:00:09 <@Tectu> so you just type flash into GDB and go? 2013-08-24T18:00:15 < zyp> restart 2013-08-24T18:00:19 < dongs> or "restart" 2013-08-24T18:00:23 < zyp> flash is a different command 2013-08-24T18:00:34 <@Tectu> mmh 2013-08-24T18:00:39 <@Tectu> I'll give that a try 2013-08-24T18:00:51 <@Tectu> must that file be in . or can it also be in ~ ? 2013-08-24T18:01:11 < zyp> either will work 2013-08-24T18:02:31 <@Tectu> you might be happy to hear that it works :) 2013-08-24T18:02:33 <@Tectu> I thanky ou 2013-08-24T18:14:05 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.133.171] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T18:18:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] 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have to! 2013-08-24T21:04:48 <+Steffanx> It's yet one of those things you can avoid. 2013-08-24T21:05:25 <+Steffanx> Just like you can avoid Liz. 2013-08-24T21:07:21 < Laurenceb_> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/rheinland-pfalz-zirkus-zebra-loest-in-bitburg-polizeieinsatz-aus-a-914835.html 2013-08-24T21:08:00 <+Steffanx> Du sprechst Deutsch? 2013-08-24T21:11:21 < Laurenceb_> nein 2013-08-24T21:12:27 <+Steffanx> ok. 2013-08-24T21:14:27 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T21:21:50 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-24T21:27:04 < Toneloc> hmm, did anyone here get the coupon for National ?? 2013-08-24T21:28:25 < amstan> Toneloc: what do you mean get? 2013-08-24T21:29:59 < Toneloc> amstan- I mean "obtain" or even "find" the coupon 2013-08-24T21:30:12 < amstan> Toneloc: i saw it in here actually 2013-08-24T21:30:16 < amstan> i just used it, like 30 min ago 2013-08-24T21:30:24 < Toneloc> oh neat 2013-08-24T21:30:31 < Toneloc> do you have a link? 2013-08-24T21:30:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T21:30:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-24T21:30:46 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T21:31:17 < amstan> Toneloc: you just use "National-1yr" at the credit card page on the right 2013-08-24T21:31:23 < Toneloc> I would love to stock up on some bits and pieces for future projects 2013-08-24T21:31:36 -!- alexn [~alexn@188-192-186-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T21:31:59 < amstan> i brought 2 lauchpads+capacitive booster packs 2013-08-24T21:32:00 < Toneloc> amstan- Oh right, thanks for letting me in on it ! I must go and try it now 2013-08-24T21:32:32 < Toneloc> it's a €10 coupon , isn't it? 2013-08-24T21:32:42 < amstan> $25 2013-08-24T21:32:47 < amstan> so maybe 2013-08-24T21:33:07 <+Steffanx> I dont even know what you're talking about :) 2013-08-24T21:33:21 < Toneloc> Wow- that really is neat ! 2013-08-24T21:34:17 <+Steffanx> So what are you guys talking about? 2013-08-24T21:34:51 < amstan> Steffanx: estore.ti.com $25 cupon 2013-08-24T21:35:08 <+Steffanx> oh, free stuff? Im in 2013-08-24T21:42:00 -!- alexn [~alexn@188-192-186-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-24T21:43:14 <+Steffanx> Too bad those launchpad are not really "must have" 2013-08-24T21:45:11 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@22.sub-75-233-215.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T21:45:52 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-24T21:59:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.88] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T22:16:23 < upgrdman> anyone know of a cheap source for SMD 0.1" headers? SMD, not PTH 2013-08-24T22:18:24 < Toneloc> just used the coupon- sweet! 2013-08-24T22:34:34 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.15] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T22:34:37 < Rickta59> the best deal is to get the C3000 booster pack (wifi) normally $35 so you end up pay $10 2013-08-24T22:36:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.88] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-24T22:36:32 <+Steffanx> "Important note: this BoosterPack does not ship to Japan" ha, dongs :P 2013-08-24T22:37:13 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.66.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-24T22:38:31 <@Tectu> CC3000 board for the launch pad? 2013-08-24T22:38:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T22:38:53 < Rickta59> you can ignore the fact that it is made for the launchpad 2013-08-24T22:39:05 <@Tectu> I can get one for 10$ ? 2013-08-24T22:39:07 <@Tectu> where? 2013-08-24T22:39:21 < Rickta59> use the coupon on the estore 2013-08-24T22:39:51 <@Tectu> how about a link? 2013-08-24T22:40:12 < Rickta59> estore.ti.com search for c3000 2013-08-24T22:40:42 <+Steffanx> https://estore.ti.com/CC3000BOOST-CC3000-BoosterPack-P4258.aspx for you being lazy 2013-08-24T22:41:04 <@Tectu> I'm more worried about the code 2013-08-24T22:41:13 < Rickta59> spi interface 2013-08-24T22:41:22 <@Tectu> coupon code *facepalm* 2013-08-24T22:41:36 <+Steffanx> use "National-1yr" .. 2013-08-24T22:42:12 <@Tectu> can I order more than one for that 10 bucks? 2013-08-24T22:42:36 < jpa-> of course not 2013-08-24T22:42:49 < jpa-> unless you fake address :P 2013-08-24T22:42:52 <+Steffanx> use different email addresses + post addresses? 2013-08-24T22:43:04 < Rickta59> different credit cards? 2013-08-24T22:43:10 < Rickta59> multiple estore accounts 2013-08-24T22:43:21 <+Steffanx> paypal and cc? 2013-08-24T22:43:36 <+Steffanx> so many combinations Tectu. Get 20 of em 2013-08-24T22:43:43 < Rickta59> get a friend to buy you one and don't pay them back 2013-08-24T22:43:48 <@Tectu> where does one add the code? "checkout" leads directly to the forms 2013-08-24T22:43:55 <@Tectu> good one 2013-08-24T22:43:58 < jpa-> in the forms 2013-08-24T22:44:03 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-6-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T22:44:17 <@Tectu> "Our system requires Swiss postal codes to be the 4-digit code (e.g., 7007 instead of CH-7007). By doing this, you will ensure that your order is not delayed." 2013-08-24T22:44:19 <@Tectu> awesome 2013-08-24T22:44:27 <@Tectu> how they care about such a small country 2013-08-24T22:44:31 <@Tectu> usually people don't give a fuck 2013-08-24T22:45:00 <+Steffanx> i dont. \ 2013-08-24T22:45:40 < jpa-> Tectu: well maybe their shipping facility doesn't give a fuck, so it is TI's problem and they can't give a shit about re-shipping orders to some crazy small country 2013-08-24T22:46:02 <+Steffanx> TI is wonderful when it comes to shipping cheap/free stuff 2013-08-24T22:46:05 <+Steffanx> i love them. 2013-08-24T22:50:59 <@Tectu> ordered. Thanks for the tip 2013-08-24T22:51:01 <@Tectu> tipp* 2013-08-24T22:51:22 < jpa-> *tip 2013-08-24T22:51:41 <@Tectu> aah 2013-08-24T22:51:43 <@Tectu> thank you 2013-08-24T22:52:00 <@Tectu> I thought 'tip' was only the thing you give to a guy that works in a shop or in a restaurant 2013-08-24T22:57:04 < jpa-> you can give tips also to strippers 2013-08-24T22:57:22 < jpa-> like "you'd look better with less lipstick" 2013-08-24T22:57:44 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.133.109] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-24T23:08:06 <@Tectu> is that based on experience? 2013-08-24T23:08:36 <@Tectu> probably they use more than usual so there's still a good looking amount of lipstick on their lips at the end of the evening 2013-08-24T23:10:54 -!- DanteA [~X@213.87.133.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-24T23:12:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-24T23:14:34 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-227-250.clienti.tiscali.it] 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[~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T07:54:36 < R2COM> dongs: well, i did try that Zeph paste right now 2013-08-25T07:54:45 < R2COM> same shit as chipquick 2013-08-25T07:54:51 < dongs> wut 2013-08-25T07:54:52 < R2COM> nothing ultra special about that japanese trash 2013-08-25T07:54:58 < dongs> 1) its american trash 2013-08-25T07:55:03 < R2COM> whatever 2013-08-25T07:55:06 < dongs> 2) its way better than chipquik, wtf 2013-08-25T07:55:14 < dongs> what did it do "same"? 2013-08-25T07:55:42 < R2COM> well for example, with chipquick, when I have a perfect application of paste on small pitch tqfp I almost never get any shorts 2013-08-25T07:55:55 < R2COM> the only time when I got shorts is when there was some smearing involved 2013-08-25T07:56:06 < R2COM> I tried to do now one tqfp board with similar smearing 2013-08-25T07:56:14 < R2COM> to see if Zeph will reflow better with no shorts 2013-08-25T07:56:22 < R2COM> but I did have quite some shorts on tqfp package 2013-08-25T07:56:32 < R2COM> with 5 mil stencil 2013-08-25T07:56:51 < R2COM> so.. nothing special about it at all. its not better than chipquick. I get similar reflow with chipquick 2013-08-25T07:57:04 < R2COM> if I use 3 mil stencil, shorts are much rare 2013-08-25T07:57:09 < R2COM> (on small pitch tqfps) 2013-08-25T07:57:25 < R2COM> and again...if I do perfect application with 0 smearing, i dont get shorts with chipquick either 2013-08-25T07:57:28 < dongs> it sounds like you're not properly printing 2013-08-25T07:57:37 < R2COM> what? 2013-08-25T07:57:42 < dongs> 0.07mm is too thin 2013-08-25T07:57:48 < dongs> 0.13T is standard stencil 2013-08-25T07:57:55 < dongs> which is like 5mil i guess 2013-08-25T07:58:00 < dongs> or close to it 2013-08-25T07:58:11 < dongs> how are you stretching it over board? 2013-08-25T07:58:27 < R2COM> dude I do it in a right way I done fuckloads of them already 2013-08-25T07:58:34 < R2COM> I did most with 3 mil stencil 2013-08-25T07:58:37 < R2COM> or 0.07mm 2013-08-25T07:58:41 < R2COM> what I am saying is: 2013-08-25T07:59:01 < R2COM> with 3 mil stencil (0.07mm) and with 0 smearing during paste application - no shorts ever 2013-08-25T07:59:07 < R2COM> and thats with chipquick 2013-08-25T07:59:11 < R2COM> so the whole point is 2013-08-25T07:59:15 < R2COM> what does really Zeph buys me? 2013-08-25T07:59:38 -!- DanteA [~X@host-56-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-25T07:59:43 < dongs> awesomeness. 2013-08-25T08:00:05 < R2COM> I am practical person. until I see realistic improvement I dont see awesomeness 2013-08-25T08:00:32 < R2COM> i experimented today with relatively non-perfect paste application 2013-08-25T08:00:36 < R2COM> i.e. with smearing 2013-08-25T08:00:43 < R2COM> because was curious how Zeph will handle it 2013-08-25T08:00:47 < R2COM> and it did give shorts 2013-08-25T08:00:58 < dongs> the chipquik ive seen bridges way more than zeph. zeph sticks to pads better, at least on enig, no idea about hasl as I don't often do those. smaller balls, can print to finer pitch pads. 2013-08-25T08:01:01 < R2COM> so I cleary see no "awesomeness" here 2013-08-25T08:01:16 -!- DanteA [~X@host-61-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T08:01:23 < R2COM> well, I'll do more stuff with it. will see. 2013-08-25T08:05:36 -!- DanteA [~X@host-61-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-25T08:06:06 < upgrdman> enig? 2013-08-25T08:09:13 -!- DanteA [~X@host-33-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T08:11:32 < dongs> dont worry 2013-08-25T08:21:14 -!- DanteA [~X@host-33-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-25T08:34:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T08:50:42 -!- Lt_Lemming_ [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T08:50:42 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-25T08:51:07 -!- Lt_Lemming_ is now known as Lt_Lemming 2013-08-25T08:53:37 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-25T08:56:48 < upgrdman> dongs: ? whats enig? 2013-08-25T08:58:03 < emeb_mac> nickle-gold plating on boards 2013-08-25T08:58:13 < emeb_mac> looks like gold pads/traces 2013-08-25T08:59:22 < upgrdman> the e stands for what? electroplated? 2013-08-25T08:59:34 < emeb_mac> ifinkso 2013-08-25T08:59:44 < R2COM> yea. now try to 1layer it. 2013-08-25T08:59:50 < upgrdman> :) 2013-08-25T09:00:01 < emeb_mac> enig is surprisingly easy to solder. 2013-08-25T09:00:26 < upgrdman> isnt gold uber easy to solder to? 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2013-08-25T13:23:09 <@Tectu> GDB seems to work properls 2013-08-25T13:23:10 < pixelou> I am trying to change the MODER field of port A and it does nothing 2013-08-25T13:23:44 < pixelou> gdb is working indeed, I think I am doing something wrong in my code 2013-08-25T13:23:54 < pixelou> but I can't see what. 2013-08-25T13:24:46 < pixelou> port A is at 0x48000000 and MODER is the first field 2013-08-25T13:25:15 < pixelou> so I created a uint32_t pointer to 0x48000000 and set the value to 0x0 2013-08-25T13:25:53 < pixelou> but nothing happens and *moder remains equal to 0x48000000 2013-08-25T13:27:14 <@Tectu> I suggest you to post some source code, otherwise it will be hard to try to help you 2013-08-25T13:28:20 < pixelou> actually there are only two lines of code here, so I might post them here as well: 2013-08-25T13:28:23 < pixelou> uint32_t* moder = (uint32_t*)getPort(name); // returns 0x48000000 2013-08-25T13:28:30 < pixelou> *moder = 0x0; 2013-08-25T13:30:31 < pixelou> the whole code is here : http://pastebin.com/7Ax3g6tT the problem happens in init() 2013-08-25T13:31:10 < pixelou> the code is a bit messy because I tried several things 2013-08-25T13:47:28 < pixelou> Here is a short version with the assembly code : http://pastebin.com/50V9BRNn 2013-08-25T13:49:31 < zyp> did you enable GPIOA in RCC? 2013-08-25T13:50:05 < zyp> obviously not according to your code 2013-08-25T13:50:10 < zyp> that would explain the problem 2013-08-25T13:50:26 < zyp> accessing registers to disabled peripherals won't do anything 2013-08-25T13:51:11 < pixelou> Ok my mistake 2013-08-25T13:51:53 < pixelou> I took an example code and tried to adapt it to my needs, the comment weren't clear 2013-08-25T13:52:00 < pixelou> *comments 2013-08-25T13:52:05 < pixelou> obviously 2013-08-25T13:52:32 < zyp> where your code comes from is not important 2013-08-25T13:52:48 < zyp> the important thing is that you have to enable peripherals before you can use them 2013-08-25T13:52:59 < zyp> and pretty much every peripheral starts out as disabled 2013-08-25T13:53:26 < pixelou> ok 2013-08-25T14:04:05 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T14:04:06 < Robint91> hi all 2013-08-25T14:04:18 < zyp> hi 2013-08-25T14:05:15 <+Steffanx> Lo mr Robint91 2013-08-25T14:06:41 < Robint91> what's up here? 2013-08-25T14:06:58 < zyp> not much yet 2013-08-25T14:07:03 < zyp> got anything fun to talk about? 2013-08-25T14:07:12 < Robint91> http://www.hittite.com/literature/transceiver_chip_web.pdf 2013-08-25T14:07:16 < Robint91> this maybe 2013-08-25T14:07:34 < Robint91> https://www.hittite.com/content/documents/data_sheet/hmc6001lp711e.pdf 2013-08-25T14:08:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T14:08:47 <+Steffanx> That's black magic, that's not fun. 2013-08-25T14:09:17 < Robint91> Steffanx, don't know but those things have build in antenna for 60GHz 2013-08-25T14:10:03 < Robint91> Steffanx, so apply I/Q signals 2013-08-25T14:10:06 < Robint91> and off you go 2013-08-25T14:11:12 < zyp> analog I/Q 2013-08-25T14:11:26 < zyp> would be neat if it also included ADC/DAC 2013-08-25T14:11:30 < Robint91> zyp, yeah 2013-08-25T14:17:17 < Robint91> zyp, but doesn't analog have some codec stuff to do the ADC/DAC 2013-08-25T14:21:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T14:31:15 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@dsl-207-112-53-184.tor.primus.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T14:31:15 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@dsl-207-112-53-184.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-25T14:31:15 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T15:07:01 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-25T15:07:09 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T15:11:23 -!- Robint91 [~Robin@dD5776E9E.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-25T15:30:08 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-25T15:35:49 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T15:46:36 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-25T15:56:54 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-227-250.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T16:11:17 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-227-250.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-25T16:25:18 -!- pixelou [~pixelou@APuteaux-651-1-170-91.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-25T16:28:38 -!- scrts_ [~quassel@46.17.57.19] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T16:29:24 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-25T16:29:25 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-25T16:29:26 -!- cehteh [~cehteh@pipapo.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-25T16:29:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T16:30:03 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T16:31:35 -!- cehteh [~cehteh@pipapo.org] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T16:33:51 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-25T16:34:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 373 seconds] 2013-08-25T16:35:03 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T16:35:14 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.175] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T16:38:22 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-25T16:43:01 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-25T16:46:34 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T16:54:32 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-25T17:03:12 < zyp> heh, seeed are apparently extending their pcb service to also do assembly 2013-08-25T17:08:39 < dongs> um 2013-08-25T17:08:39 < dongs> what 2013-08-25T17:08:47 < dongs> they've been doing assembly for years 2013-08-25T17:09:07 < dongs> unless you mean they're addingsome GUI to thier shopping cart for it 2013-08-25T17:09:13 < zyp> really? because I just got some spam about it 2013-08-25T17:09:28 < zyp> «We are going to launch a new service online at the end of July—PCB assembly prototype service.» 2013-08-25T17:09:40 < dongs> zyp, they've always done assembly, you can even hae htem assemble shit and sell it right at thier store 2013-08-25T17:09:48 < dongs> its thier uh... groove ? or something service 2013-08-25T17:09:56 < dongs> i think MOQ was liek 100pcs, maybe they're making it down to 1pc now? 2013-08-25T17:10:10 < zyp> maybe 2013-08-25T17:10:28 < zyp> looks like you're restricted to «OPL parts» though :p 2013-08-25T17:10:41 < dongs> propagate 2013-08-25T17:10:43 < dongs> OPL? 2013-08-25T17:10:53 < dongs> rofl 2013-08-25T17:10:57 < dongs> you mean that tarduino kit? 2013-08-25T17:11:10 < zyp> something like that 2013-08-25T17:11:13 < dongs> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/open-parts-library-p-1560.html ? 2013-08-25T17:11:14 < dongs> haha 2013-08-25T17:12:49 < zyp> http://www.seeedstudio.com/service/index.php?r=st/specification#pcba 2013-08-25T17:13:22 < dongs> ouch 2013-08-25T17:13:27 < dongs> speaking of stencils, zuyp 2013-08-25T17:13:31 < dongs> i need to send you invoice for them. 2013-08-25T17:13:45 < zyp> ah, sure 2013-08-25T17:14:02 < dongs> lemme find that shit its in my email somewehre 2013-08-25T17:15:32 < dongs> found 2013-08-25T17:17:02 <@Tectu> okay guys, homework time... how does one get from (sqrt(3))^5 to 9*sqrt(3) ? 2013-08-25T17:17:16 <@Tectu> what black magic am I missing? 2013-08-25T17:17:48 <@Tectu> aah... I remember.. sqrt(x) = x^(1/2) 2013-08-25T17:18:12 < dongs> Tectu: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=simplify+%28sqrt%283%29%29%5E5 2013-08-25T17:18:34 < dongs> click "step by step solution" 2013-08-25T17:18:38 <@Tectu> yeah, too bad it doesn't tell how 2013-08-25T17:18:39 <@Tectu> aaah 2013-08-25T17:18:40 < dongs> might need dongframalpha account 2013-08-25T17:18:47 <@Tectu> thank you very much, dongs 2013-08-25T17:18:53 < zyp> sqrt(3)^5 = sqrt(3^5) = sqrt(81*3) = sqrt(81)*sqrt(3) = 9*sqrt(3) 2013-08-25T17:20:30 < dongs> zyp: Solder Type Lead-Free 2013-08-25T17:20:31 < dongs> Manual Soldering 2013-08-25T17:20:32 < dongs> lol 2013-08-25T17:20:58 < zyp> dongs, so I just paypal you these $115 like usual? 2013-08-25T17:21:05 < dongs> no, the sales@ spamaddy 2013-08-25T17:21:09 < dongs> in the invoice 2013-08-25T17:21:13 < dongs> is teh shitpal 2013-08-25T17:21:27 < zyp> ah, ok 2013-08-25T17:21:50 < zyp> do they need some reference or whatever? 2013-08-25T17:21:54 < dongs> no 2013-08-25T17:23:25 < dongs> hey 2013-08-25T17:23:28 < dongs> they use everlight leds 2013-08-25T17:23:32 < dongs> the good bright shit :) 2013-08-25T17:23:41 < dongs> in the OPL 2013-08-25T17:23:45 < zyp> ok, paid 2013-08-25T17:23:48 <@Tectu> OPL? 2013-08-25T17:23:54 < dongs> < zyp> looks like you're restricted to «OPL parts» though :p 2013-08-25T17:24:14 < zyp> dongs, and only atmega328p 2013-08-25T17:24:18 < dongs> haha 2013-08-25T17:24:19 < dongs> right 2013-08-25T17:24:34 < dongs> pretty horrible selection 2013-08-25T17:24:38 < dongs> http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/Open_parts_library 2013-08-25T17:24:46 < dongs> i mean, probably enough to make a tarduino 2013-08-25T17:24:48 < dongs> but not much else. 2013-08-25T17:25:08 < dongs> they have 22R resistors 2013-08-25T17:25:12 < dongs> for USB presumably 2013-08-25T17:25:14 < dongs> but not 1.5K 2013-08-25T17:25:15 < dongs> ... 2013-08-25T17:26:44 <@Tectu> they also have U.FL 2013-08-25T17:26:47 <@Tectu> but no SMA nor BNC 2013-08-25T17:28:30 < dongs> lol ufl 2013-08-25T17:28:35 < dongs> that shit makes no fucking sense 2013-08-25T17:28:38 < dongs> what they gonna do 2013-08-25T17:28:42 < dongs> connect antenna to tarduion???? 2013-08-25T17:28:53 <@Tectu> that wolfamalpha stuff is pretty impressive 2013-08-25T17:28:58 < dongs> sure 2013-08-25T17:29:03 < dongs> i tihnk Steffanx bought it 2013-08-25T17:29:03 <@Tectu> yet it calculates 3-8 slower than I do 2013-08-25T17:29:14 < dongs> faster htan i do 2013-08-25T17:29:24 < dongs> because i have teo press win-r + type calc + press enter + type in 3-9 2013-08-25T17:29:29 < dongs> then notice i meant to type in 3-8 2013-08-25T17:29:31 <@Tectu> what do you buy there? A pro account? 2013-08-25T17:29:33 < dongs> and retype it again 2013-08-25T17:29:37 < dongs> i think so 2013-08-25T17:29:41 < dongs> they spam w/ads without one 2013-08-25T17:29:43 < dongs> or osmething 2013-08-25T17:29:47 < dongs> iduno. im not payin for it 2013-08-25T17:29:49 < dongs> ask Steffanx . 2013-08-25T17:29:55 <@Tectu> no, I don't talk to that guy anymore 2013-08-25T17:30:06 < dongs> Steffanx, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on. 2013-08-25T17:30:12 < dongs> ? 2013-08-25T17:30:14 < dongs> have you done this? 2013-08-25T17:30:38 <@Tectu> lol, wasn't that you? 2013-08-25T17:30:48 <@Tectu> and no, I didn't 2013-08-25T17:31:02 < dongs> http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/File:3400150P1.jpg wowwwwwwww they took the most fail microusb connector EVAR 2013-08-25T17:31:13 <@Tectu> yeah, saw that 2013-08-25T17:31:31 <@Tectu> btw, I was pretty annyoing when I got my SMD microUSB connectors and realized that they are still through hole 2013-08-25T17:31:37 <@Tectu> the casing 2013-08-25T17:31:45 < zyp> that's a feature 2013-08-25T17:31:53 < zyp> it's to keep you from ripping them off the board 2013-08-25T17:32:03 <@Tectu> dongs, I think they took that one because it might be the easiest to solder 2013-08-25T17:32:44 <@Tectu> zyp, the ones I have now are truly SMD. I am not sure how hard you have to push/pull on your USB cable to ripp it off the board. The entire bottom of the casing is soldered to the PCB and that's quite a large area 2013-08-25T17:33:19 < zyp> provided you use a sane footprint, yes 2013-08-25T17:33:42 <@Tectu> why shouldn't I? 2013-08-25T17:33:56 <@Tectu> Is there a reason not to use a sane footprint on purpose? 2013-08-25T17:34:02 < zyp> no. 2013-08-25T17:34:07 < dongs> eagle users./ 2013-08-25T17:34:28 <@Tectu> dongs, you should stop doing that 2013-08-25T17:34:40 <@Tectu> also, there's no sane footprint to CAD software relation 2013-08-25T17:34:47 < dongs> t here is 2013-08-25T17:34:56 < dongs> when cad software makes it VERY HARD to create SANE FOOTPRINTS 2013-08-25T17:35:00 < dongs> peopel will use others shitty work 2013-08-25T17:35:04 < dongs> propagating shittiness 2013-08-25T17:35:08 < dongs> thats why "eagle libraries" exist 2013-08-25T17:35:13 < dongs> with hundresd of FAIL FOOTPRINTS 2013-08-25T17:35:32 < dongs> sparkfun eagle library is liek a giant fail 2013-08-25T17:36:43 <@Tectu> how comes? how can one make insane footprints anyway? 2013-08-25T17:37:00 <@Tectu> it's simple 2D shapes and in 99% of there's a recommended footprint in the datasheet 2013-08-25T17:37:00 < dongs> by not knowing how to use the software. 2013-08-25T17:37:07 < dongs> by never designing shit for manufacturing 2013-08-25T17:37:13 < dongs> by not reading datasheet 2013-08-25T17:37:15 < zyp> Tectu, by only providing pads for the small tabs on a microusb connector, for instance 2013-08-25T17:37:35 <@Tectu> zyp, I bet that connector has a recommended footprint drawing in the datasheet. 2013-08-25T17:37:57 <@Tectu> if somebody doing a library and getting paid for seriously does now do it that way, then I'd kindly throw him out of the windows 2013-08-25T17:37:59 <@Tectu> window* 2013-08-25T17:38:15 < dongs> paid? for making eagle libraries? ahahahahah. 2013-08-25T17:38:18 < dongs> still laughing. 2013-08-25T17:38:32 < dongs> noone serious uses eagle, the only people making eagle libraries are freetards. 2013-08-25T17:40:10 <@Tectu> I asume that the sparkfun library is from sparkfun, therefore somebody of the sparkfun people must do it 2013-08-25T17:40:13 <@Tectu> or they pay freelancers 2013-08-25T17:43:03 < dongs> that doesnt cahnge the fact that its full of bad and wrong footprints. 2013-08-25T17:43:18 <@Tectu> you could make it better :) 2013-08-25T17:44:40 < dongs> no 2013-08-25T17:53:23 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-25T18:00:05 < dongs> http://s16.postimg.org/pr8qvzpcl/all_donged_out.png eagle. 2013-08-25T18:00:50 < jpa-> Tectu: for example, some mid-2000's nokia mobile phones had too small pads for micro usb connectors, which caused the connector to eventually come loose 2013-08-25T18:01:15 < jpa-> i bet those smd-only connectors work fine on some rarely used device, though 2013-08-25T18:16:06 <@Tectu> I see 2013-08-25T18:16:50 <@Tectu> jpa-, were you the guy responsible for that? ;-) 2013-08-25T18:17:10 < jpa-> no 2013-08-25T18:17:15 < jpa-> i was still in kindengarten 2013-08-25T18:25:59 < Laurenceb_> you are like 12? 2013-08-25T18:26:48 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T18:27:09 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: yeah, quite close 2013-08-25T18:27:23 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: it seems we are about the same age? 2013-08-25T18:27:31 < jpa-> though my links aren't as childish as yours 2013-08-25T18:27:43 < dongs> i trhought Laurenceb_ is 13 2013-08-25T18:29:51 <+Steffanx> Yes, i paid for wolfalpha. it was like $25 anyway, dongs / Tectu 2013-08-25T18:29:56 <+Steffanx> but i cancalled it :P 2013-08-25T18:32:36 <@Tectu> Steffanx, how comes? 2013-08-25T18:32:44 <@Tectu> Steffanx, and is that a software pack or a premium account? 2013-08-25T18:32:46 <@Tectu> and $25 lifetime? 2013-08-25T18:32:49 <+Steffanx> because i dont really used it anymore. 2013-08-25T18:32:58 <+Steffanx> not $25, year for just the online tool with some extas 2013-08-25T18:32:59 <@Tectu> (well, if lifetime you wouldn't have canceled it) 2013-08-25T18:33:13 <@Tectu> wasn't there some software from the same guys? 2013-08-25T18:33:16 <@Tectu> something like mathlab 2013-08-25T18:33:18 <@Tectu> matlab* 2013-08-25T18:33:19 * emeb_mac just uses octave or matlab 2013-08-25T18:33:25 <+Steffanx> There is. 2013-08-25T18:33:33 <+Steffanx> mathematica or so 2013-08-25T18:33:39 < emeb_mac> that 2013-08-25T18:33:59 <@Tectu> so did you have a nice sleep, Steffanx? 2013-08-25T18:34:05 <+Steffanx> did i sleep? 2013-08-25T18:34:21 <+Steffanx> Steffanx, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on. 2013-08-25T18:34:25 <+Steffanx> what's that about? 2013-08-25T18:34:31 <+Steffanx> I've seen that message before :P 2013-08-25T18:34:36 <@Tectu> so did I 2013-08-25T18:36:58 < jpa-> well it makes sense :) 2013-08-25T18:37:05 <+Steffanx> http://imgur.com/bSAo151 that is what you can get Tectu. 2013-08-25T18:37:13 <+Steffanx> but it sometimes over complicates things 2013-08-25T18:38:21 <@Tectu> Steffanx, that's pretty impressive / helpful 2013-08-25T18:38:27 <@Tectu> Steffanx, thanks for doing the screenshot ;) 2013-08-25T18:38:32 <+Steffanx> it sometimes is, yes. 2013-08-25T18:39:00 <+Steffanx> We could cheat and i could change my password and give it to you :P 2013-08-25T18:39:42 -!- pixelou [~pixelou@APuteaux-651-1-170-91.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T18:40:53 <@Tectu> that would be... 2013-08-25T18:41:02 <@Tectu> ..ULTRAHACKERZ!!!!111 2013-08-25T18:41:09 <@Tectu> but I thought you canceled it? 2013-08-25T18:41:49 <@Tectu> isnt' there a 30 days trial account or something? I don't really want to do that account thing but I'd like to see how it is before I buy it 2013-08-25T18:42:54 <+Steffanx> i cancelled it.. but as you pay for a year i have until december. 2013-08-25T18:43:02 <+Steffanx> *i 2013-08-25T18:43:15 <@Tectu> I see 2013-08-25T18:43:20 <@Tectu> so why didn't you use it? 2013-08-25T18:43:20 <@Tectu> :D 2013-08-25T18:43:26 <@Tectu> is it too hard to use? 2013-08-25T18:43:30 <@Tectu> or simply no use case? 2013-08-25T18:43:35 <+Steffanx> it's damn easy 2013-08-25T18:43:51 <+Steffanx> this is just the online tool uh 2013-08-25T18:44:00 <+Steffanx> you just click "show steps" and it shows them for you. 2013-08-25T18:44:14 <@Tectu> what if it does stuff wrong? 2013-08-25T18:44:24 <+Steffanx> it does not do stuff wrong 2013-08-25T18:44:36 <@Tectu> you don't know 2013-08-25T18:44:44 <@Tectu> otherwise you wouldn't need such a tool 2013-08-25T18:44:52 <+Steffanx> If you do, you asked th wrong question. 2013-08-25T18:45:00 <+Steffanx> *If it does 2013-08-25T18:47:07 <+Steffanx> btw. It's impossible that makes sense jpa-. Im only like that in ##stm32 :P 2013-08-25T18:47:54 <@Tectu> yes, and that's just wrong. 2013-08-25T18:48:22 <+Steffanx> No, don't think like that. 2013-08-25T18:48:49 < jpa-> Steffanx: you are like that in private with me also! :( 2013-08-25T18:49:00 <+Steffanx> I behave like i am supposed to behave. Like the others. I blend in perfectly. 2013-08-25T18:49:35 <+Steffanx> but on the other hand.. such a tools makes you lazy, very lazy Tectu 2013-08-25T18:50:15 <@Tectu> Steffanx, no, I try to understand what's happening 2013-08-25T18:50:20 <+Steffanx> And you're probably not allowed to use it for your exam. 2013-08-25T18:50:33 <+Steffanx> perhaps, but the solution zyp gave you is soo much easier than the wa version. 2013-08-25T18:50:35 <+Steffanx> that one is fucke up 2013-08-25T18:50:36 <@Tectu> Steffanx, you do stuff in private with jpa- ??? I dare you, if I ever catch you cheating on me.... 2013-08-25T18:50:37 <+Steffanx> d 2013-08-25T18:50:53 <@Tectu> yes, I'm totally going to bother zyp all the time now :) 2013-08-25T18:50:54 <+Steffanx> I won't tell him what you tell me in private, really i wont. 2013-08-25T18:51:02 < jpa-> Tectu: don't you worry about Steffanx, just take one of the girls who can't keep their hands off you 2013-08-25T18:51:27 <@Tectu> there are girls and there's Steffanx 2013-08-25T18:51:35 <@Tectu> it's not like it could be replaced 2013-08-25T18:51:36 <+Steffanx> and there is the other me 2013-08-25T18:51:59 <+Steffanx> The one that goes for a diner now. 2013-08-25T18:52:08 <@Tectu> good luck, fellaw 2013-08-25T18:52:09 < jpa-> oh, the handsome twin 2013-08-25T18:58:34 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T19:02:47 <@Tectu> yes 2013-08-25T19:20:21 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@226.sub-75-244-182.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T19:21:30 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-25T19:24:43 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-25T19:32:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T19:32:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-25T19:32:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T20:02:19 < emeb_mac> you people and your hoyay. 2013-08-25T20:21:14 <+Steffanx> isn't that the part you like emeb_mac? 2013-08-25T20:21:27 <+Steffanx> ( i had to look that word up in the urban dictionary first ) 2013-08-25T20:22:47 < jpa-> (me too.. it appears we don't know what we are doing) 2013-08-25T20:23:00 < emeb_mac> just here to expand your vocabulary. :) 2013-08-25T20:24:52 < emeb_mac> my poor old macbook - dvd drive only works on about 1/3 of the discs I put in. 2013-08-25T20:25:17 <+Steffanx> Mine will work on none of them. :P 2013-08-25T20:25:24 <+Steffanx> As it's not inside my macbook anymore. 2013-08-25T20:25:46 < jpa-> my laptop didn't come with a dvd drive 2013-08-25T20:25:53 <@Tectu> Steffanx, please link the article 2013-08-25T20:26:10 <+Steffanx> Article Tectu? 2013-08-25T20:26:15 <@Tectu> Steffanx, urban directory 2013-08-25T20:26:28 <+Steffanx> oh http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoyay 2013-08-25T20:26:36 <@Tectu> thank you 2013-08-25T20:26:54 <@Tectu> "sually followed by a feeling of glee in the viewer." 2013-08-25T20:26:56 <@Tectu> Usually* 2013-08-25T20:27:21 <+Steffanx> Gladly i never felt the need to watch glee 2013-08-25T20:27:50 < jpa-> it always causes glee to watch Steffanx 2013-08-25T20:28:30 < emeb_mac> sad - American TV shows are so ubiquitous. 2013-08-25T20:29:26 < emeb_mac> in the future, the world will all shop at the same stores, eat at the same restaurants and watch the same TV shows. 2013-08-25T20:29:57 < gxti> you first 2013-08-25T20:30:06 <@Tectu> you know guys, I originally came in here to talk about STM32 2013-08-25T20:30:13 < emeb_mac> what's that? 2013-08-25T20:30:34 <@Tectu> and what I ended up with? talking with some dutch guy about sex changes 2013-08-25T20:31:46 < emeb_mac> so here's a funny one: guy selling an audio product based on STM32F103 and he's using PWM for the audio output. 2013-08-25T20:32:58 <@Tectu> STM32F103 should have DAC, no? 2013-08-25T20:33:10 < emeb_mac> nah - the F103 has no DAC 2013-08-25T20:33:14 < emeb_mac> nor I2S port 2013-08-25T20:33:22 <@Tectu> are you sure that the F103 has no DAC? 2013-08-25T20:33:32 <@Tectu> I'm horribly sure mine has one 2013-08-25T20:33:35 <@Tectu> but I wouldn't bet 2013-08-25T20:33:44 < emeb_mac> I looked at the DS last night - no DAC 2013-08-25T20:33:58 < jpa-> my F103 has a DAC 2013-08-25T20:34:06 < emeb_mac> F105 has dual DAC and I2S though 2013-08-25T20:34:17 < emeb_mac> jpa - what's the full part number? 2013-08-25T20:34:20 < jpa-> stm32f103vct6 atleast has dac 2013-08-25T20:34:27 <@Tectu> yep 2013-08-25T20:35:02 < emeb_mac> ah - the one I looked up was the f103c6t6 2013-08-25T20:35:15 < emeb_mac> which is the part used in this product I mentioned 2013-08-25T20:35:37 < gxti> hmm, didn't realize there were multiple datasheets for f103 2013-08-25T20:36:42 < emeb_mac> ya - medium vs high density parts 2013-08-25T20:38:54 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-25T20:39:22 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T20:39:44 < jpa-> Tectu: looks like it only took 11 hours to form our love triangle when you joined.. http://paste.dy.fi/9as/plain 2013-08-25T20:39:50 < jpa-> so that much for talking about stm32 2013-08-25T20:44:23 <+Steffanx> lol jpa- 2013-08-25T20:45:31 < R2COM> but Tectu is a live representation of German engineering, everything *HAS* to work 2013-08-25T20:45:53 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T20:46:22 <+Steffanx> Too bad he is from switzerland 2013-08-25T20:46:34 < R2COM> oh I thought he is from Germany 2013-08-25T20:47:37 < emeb_mac> the swiss are probably even more persnickety than the germans. 2013-08-25T20:47:48 < emeb_mac> (ever hear of a German watch?) 2013-08-25T20:47:51 <+Steffanx> They speak german-ish, so.. i guess that's enough. 2013-08-25T20:48:21 < R2COM> yeah. but I liked my Mercedese's and Braun shavers 2013-08-25T20:48:26 < jpa-> related: 2012-02-28T01:13:44 < Tectu> i live in switzerland, i see retarded dorks 2013-08-25T20:49:06 < emeb_mac> can't get away from those, no matter where you live. 2013-08-25T20:50:21 < R2COM> emeb_mac: http://www.watchismo.com/german-watches.aspx here some 2013-08-25T20:51:16 < R2COM> oh and I also like Wurth inductors. 2013-08-25T20:51:53 < emeb_mac> not saying they don't exist, but they're not the first thing you think of when watches come up. 2013-08-25T20:52:32 < R2COM> yeah but watch is watch you know.. nowadays its not that hard to get such thing done precisely 2013-08-25T20:53:25 < emeb_mac> true - these days most are prolly made in CN anyway. stamped out of sheet metal by the gross. 2013-08-25T20:54:24 < R2COM> anything can be stamped out on precision machines these days... except some really advanced and non-trivial stuff 2013-08-25T20:54:35 < R2COM> like blades for jet engines... 2013-08-25T20:54:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T20:54:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-25T20:55:18 <+Steffanx> people use watches nowadays? 2013-08-25T20:55:18 < R2COM> these are still things which can be produced only in 4-5 countries max. 2013-08-25T20:55:45 <+Steffanx> Those watches R2COM linked to are huge .. 2013-08-25T20:56:26 < R2COM> get a girly ones, will be smaller 2013-08-25T20:57:29 <+Steffanx> You think so? 2013-08-25T20:57:31 < R2COM> I remember one of my former bosses having almost every day different watch 2013-08-25T20:57:47 < R2COM> hes watches were like 8-12$k or so each 2013-08-25T20:58:01 <+Steffanx> must he been in russia. 2013-08-25T20:58:02 <+Steffanx> *have 2013-08-25T20:58:08 < R2COM> :) 2013-08-25T20:59:50 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-25T20:59:52 < R2COM> he actually was big fan of german cars too 2013-08-25T20:59:55 * emeb_mac doesn't understand bulky, expensive watches. 2013-08-25T21:00:21 < R2COM> he had porsche cayenne, bmw760, bmw650, cls500 flashy things! 2013-08-25T21:01:00 < emeb_mac> livin' large 2013-08-25T21:01:47 <+Steffanx> I would. If i could. 2013-08-25T21:02:16 < R2COM> doesnt average european can afford at least one of those cars? 2013-08-25T21:02:48 <+Steffanx> No way. 2013-08-25T21:03:10 < R2COM> well 2013-08-25T21:03:12 < R2COM> I mean 2013-08-25T21:03:19 < zyp> it's all about priorities, I'd say 2013-08-25T21:03:19 < R2COM> average european mid-engineer 2013-08-25T21:03:32 < R2COM> or dont know.. 2013-08-25T21:03:42 <+Steffanx> That too zyp, but with your own house, kids etc. it gets hard to get such a car. 2013-08-25T21:03:55 < R2COM> heh 2013-08-25T21:03:59 < zyp> I hear the trick is to not get kids 2013-08-25T21:04:14 < zyp> so Laurenceb_ will probably be able to afford one 2013-08-25T21:04:25 <+Steffanx> me too, me too! 2013-08-25T21:04:27 < R2COM> or to get them, but once they reach age of 10 throw them into common-military academy 2013-08-25T21:04:28 < Laurenceb_> trollen 2013-08-25T21:04:34 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T21:05:20 < emeb_mac> where would we be w/o Laurenceb 2013-08-25T21:06:03 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T21:06:27 <+Steffanx> Without him we wouldn't have had this conversation in the first place. 2013-08-25T21:06:40 <+Steffanx> -in the first place. 2013-08-25T21:07:01 < emeb_mac> and then we'd be bored 2013-08-25T21:07:06 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T21:07:46 <+Steffanx> We owe him so much. We should have an international Laurenceb_-day. 2013-08-25T21:07:52 <+Steffanx> or week. 2013-08-25T21:08:05 < emeb_mac> every day is Laurenceb 2013-08-25T21:08:06 < emeb_mac> day 2013-08-25T21:08:17 < R2COM> will be a day of free good beer and high class hookers for everyone? 2013-08-25T21:08:44 <+Steffanx> Ok, i heard your old boss can pay. 2013-08-25T21:08:54 < R2COM> :) 2013-08-25T21:10:18 < jpa-> i think it would be more like leds attached to our veins while opening bad links 2013-08-25T21:11:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.49.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-25T21:11:17 < emeb_mac> sounds... disturbing. 2013-08-25T21:11:31 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@226.sub-75-244-182.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-25T21:11:55 -!- pixelou [~pixelou@APuteaux-651-1-170-91.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 2013-08-25T21:12:19 <+Steffanx> We can also just introduce an Steffanx day.. being lazy all they long. 2013-08-25T21:12:42 < R2COM> is Steffanx a Nederlander? 2013-08-25T21:12:49 <+Steffanx> Yep. 2013-08-25T21:13:40 <+Steffanx> Why you call it a "Nederlander"? That is dutch. 2013-08-25T21:14:21 < R2COM> from some memories 2013-08-25T21:14:34 < emeb_mac> or deutch 2013-08-25T21:14:57 <+Steffanx> No, no german. 2013-08-25T21:15:02 < emeb_mac> get all up in yer nether regions 2013-08-25T21:15:20 < gxti> dutchlander 2013-08-25T21:18:21 <+Steffanx> Yes, something like that. 2013-08-25T21:21:12 < R2COM> well 2013-08-25T21:21:19 < R2COM> so I called you in a right way then 2013-08-25T21:23:18 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@dsl-207-112-53-184.tor.primus.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T21:23:18 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@dsl-207-112-53-184.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-25T21:23:18 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T21:25:10 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-25T21:31:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.20.86] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T21:37:44 <+dekar__> emeb_mac, *cough* Niederländer 2013-08-25T21:38:52 -!- Intelaida [bc8609a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2013-08-25T21:43:14 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-25T21:44:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-183106.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T21:49:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.20.86] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-25T21:50:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.20.86] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T21:51:06 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-25T21:54:23 < emeb_mac> oops 2013-08-25T21:54:28 < emeb_mac> bad spelling 2013-08-25T21:54:57 * emeb_mac doesn't know german nearly so well as the germans know english. 2013-08-25T21:59:25 <+Steffanx> Very bad spelling. :) 2013-08-25T22:02:30 <@Tectu> [Sun August 25 2013 19:39:44]: jpa- (jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi) (##stm32): Tectu: looks like it only took 11 hours to form our love triangle when you joined.. http://paste.dy.fi/9as/plain 2013-08-25T22:02:33 <@Tectu> jpa-, interesting 2013-08-25T22:02:45 <@Tectu> [Sun August 25 2013 19:48:26]: jpa- (jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi) (##stm32): related: 2012-02-28T01:13:44 < Tectu> i live in switzerland, i see retarded dorks 2013-08-25T22:02:48 <@Tectu> don't do that 2013-08-25T22:02:54 <@Tectu> just don't 2013-08-25T22:04:16 < emeb_mac> Steffanx: I blame my keyboard - doesn't have an ä 2013-08-25T22:04:25 <@Tectu> thät is säd 2013-08-25T22:04:29 <+Steffanx> and it doesn't do 'deadkeys' or so? 2013-08-25T22:04:45 <+Steffanx> i have to do "a and it magically puts them on top 2013-08-25T22:05:13 < emeb_mac> nope - yankees don't do diacritics 2013-08-25T22:05:42 <@Tectu> how about ë ? 2013-08-25T22:05:53 <@Tectu> é è... I got em all! 2013-08-25T22:05:56 <+Steffanx> Have you ever seen that in english? 2013-08-25T22:06:12 <@Tectu> have you seen é in german? no you didn't 2013-08-25T22:06:16 <@Tectu> yet it's on a german keyboard 2013-08-25T22:06:30 < emeb_mac> weird 2013-08-25T22:06:42 <+Steffanx> Does Tectu do qwerty? 2013-08-25T22:06:52 < emeb_mac> we don't do å either. sorry - no swedish for you. 2013-08-25T22:06:54 <@Tectu> no, Mr. Tectu does qwert 2013-08-25T22:06:57 <@Tectu> no, Mr. Tectu does qwertz 2013-08-25T22:07:07 <+Steffanx> meh, real people use qwerty 2013-08-25T22:07:10 <@Tectu> do we have swedish guys in here? 2013-08-25T22:07:16 < jpa-> Tectu: what is sad? 2013-08-25T22:07:16 <@Tectu> Steffanx, I use qwerty on my phone 2013-08-25T22:07:28 <@Tectu> jpa-, that wasn't related, sorry 2013-08-25T22:07:31 <+Steffanx> Good, 2013-08-25T22:07:56 < jpa-> jag kan tala svenska om du vill 2013-08-25T22:08:11 <@Tectu> are you going to translate it or does Steffanx have to do it and pass the link over to me? 2013-08-25T22:08:26 < jpa-> nej, du måste göra det du själv 2013-08-25T22:08:41 <@Tectu> is he calling me names again? 2013-08-25T22:09:01 <@Tectu> I see. Do you learn swedish in school like we do with french? 2013-08-25T22:09:13 < jpa-> jag har bara en nam för dej: min jättekula Tectu-pojke 2013-08-25T22:09:16 <+Steffanx> Tectu: "Ik kan spreken Zweedse als je wilt" 2013-08-25T22:09:16 <@Tectu> school as in the part of it that everbody has to do 2013-08-25T22:09:26 <+Steffanx> "Nee, je moet het zelf doen" 2013-08-25T22:09:28 <@Tectu> Steffanx, thank you 2013-08-25T22:09:34 <@Tectu> perfect 2013-08-25T22:09:38 <+Steffanx> "Ik heb gewoon een nam voor u: mijn reusachtige bal Tectu-boy" 2013-08-25T22:09:53 <@Tectu> It scares me that I understand that without a translator 2013-08-25T22:10:09 < jpa-> all germanic languages are the same 2013-08-25T22:10:09 <@Tectu> especially the part with my balls ans the rose 2013-08-25T22:10:24 <+Steffanx> it should be "namn" jpa-? 2013-08-25T22:10:27 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T22:10:30 < jpa-> Steffanx: yes 2013-08-25T22:10:36 <+Steffanx> ok :) 2013-08-25T22:10:50 <@Tectu> also, what's a "giant ball boy" 2013-08-25T22:10:53 <@Tectu> ah wait... the army thing... 2013-08-25T22:10:59 <+Steffanx> Is swedish hard to learn? 2013-08-25T22:11:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-25T22:11:12 < jpa-> not really 2013-08-25T22:11:22 < jpa-> but it is pretty useless 2013-08-25T22:11:25 <@Tectu> jpa-, so do you learn it in school? 2013-08-25T22:11:33 < jpa-> Tectu: they teach it in school, yes 2013-08-25T22:11:35 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T22:12:04 <@Tectu> I think I am a bit annoying today - Is that possible? 2013-08-25T22:12:10 <@Tectu> and with annoying I mean more than usual 2013-08-25T22:12:51 <+Steffanx> No, not really. 2013-08-25T22:13:12 < jpa-> not really, yeah 2013-08-25T22:13:23 < jpa-> i read a bit of the old logs today 2013-08-25T22:13:42 < jpa-> you definitely were annoying back then also :) 2013-08-25T22:13:52 <+Steffanx> i bet you were too. 2013-08-25T22:14:05 < jpa-> whereas you were as cute as always 2013-08-25T22:14:09 < jpa-> and as secretive 2013-08-25T22:14:12 <+Steffanx> Yeah, i know. I don't change. 2013-08-25T22:14:31 <+Steffanx> Actually. I think you can make a nice profile about Steffanx is when you combine all the info you have in your logs 2013-08-25T22:14:34 <@Tectu> jpa-, I'm sorry. 2013-08-25T22:14:46 < jpa-> Tectu: it is ok 2013-08-25T22:14:53 <@Tectu> jpa-, I know I asked a lot of stupid questions and I indeed still do. But hey, I think there was quite some progress :) 2013-08-25T22:14:55 < jpa-> i must be nice to you so that you don't kick me off the channel 2013-08-25T22:15:49 <@Tectu> I never saw a reason to kick you out of any channel I'm in too 2013-08-25T22:16:06 <@Tectu> You're a helpful guy. Sure, you can be annoying too, but on a different level 2013-08-25T22:16:41 < jpa-> like, not normal-annoying but super-annoying? 2013-08-25T22:16:44 < zyp> what's up? 2013-08-25T22:17:11 < jpa-> zyp: idag är den tala svenska dag, ingen annat 2013-08-25T22:17:14 <@Tectu> jpa-, no, just a different way of being annoying 2013-08-25T22:17:17 <@Tectu> jpa-, a reasonable way 2013-08-25T22:17:21 <+Steffanx> Ask jpa-'s log for a reply to that zyp 2013-08-25T22:17:22 < zyp> jpa-, går det bra om jeg skriver norsk da? 2013-08-25T22:17:44 < jpa-> zyp: ja, förstås, det är det samma språk 2013-08-25T22:18:09 < zyp> :) 2013-08-25T22:18:45 < zyp> I'm a bit amused by how you guys have two official languages in finland 2013-08-25T22:18:50 <@Tectu> Steffanx, Comment est-tu? Dernier jour, j'ai eu un rêve dans lequel vous avez joué un rôle sale 2013-08-25T22:18:55 <+Steffanx> Warum spreschen wir kein Deutch? 2013-08-25T22:19:00 < jpa-> zyp: verkligen engelska är det samma språk också, so vi behöver inte användä dessa konstig ord.. 2013-08-25T22:19:02 <+Steffanx> Je ne parle pas francais. Remember? 2013-08-25T22:19:02 <@Tectu> zyp, we have four :( 2013-08-25T22:19:17 <+Steffanx> *sprechen 2013-08-25T22:19:20 < jpa-> zyp: we are not as amused :) 2013-08-25T22:19:20 < zyp> Tectu, which? 2013-08-25T22:19:21 <@Tectu> Steffanx, I don't know if it was a typo or if you even care, but it's Deutsch, not Deutch 2013-08-25T22:19:29 <+Steffanx> Yes i know :P 2013-08-25T22:19:48 <@Tectu> zyp, German, French, Italian, Romansh 2013-08-25T22:19:50 <+Steffanx> but it was too busy not forgetting the capital D. 2013-08-25T22:20:01 <@Tectu> zyp, and the new upcomming one is serbo croatian (no kidding) 2013-08-25T22:20:07 < zyp> heh 2013-08-25T22:20:25 <@Tectu> since last year, there are more peopl ein switzerland talking serbo croatian than romansh (the real swiss language, before the german and shit came) 2013-08-25T22:20:25 <+Steffanx> You know what. We have two as well. Dutsch and Frisian :P 2013-08-25T22:20:34 <@Tectu> lol 2013-08-25T22:20:40 <@Tectu> it's Dutch here, Steffanx :P 2013-08-25T22:20:53 <@Tectu> I hope you did it on purpose 2013-08-25T22:21:52 <+Steffanx> Tell me Laurenceb_ how it is possible you are not part of this useless conversation? 2013-08-25T22:22:10 <+Steffanx> You are active in #highaltitude .. 2013-08-25T22:22:29 < jpa-> hey i found a link with suitable quality for this channel: http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/m34359/1266202058.jpg 2013-08-25T22:22:36 <@Tectu> as a british person, he wouldn't know what to talk about expect the weather 2013-08-25T22:23:01 <+Steffanx> lol jpa- me likes. 2013-08-25T22:23:35 <@Tectu> watchout, up coming arduino talks in #chibios 2013-08-25T22:25:06 < emeb_mac> lol @ ND-GT 2013-08-25T22:25:22 * emeb_mac hopes he never said that 2013-08-25T22:35:31 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.3] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-25T22:38:31 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 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zyp> how do you clear it? 2013-08-26T00:35:27 < Posterdati> ENUMDNE = 1 2013-08-26T00:35:55 < zyp> how does the code that does that look? 2013-08-26T00:36:06 < Posterdati> oh wait 2013-08-26T00:36:34 < zyp> I suspect you're using |= or something? 2013-08-26T00:36:49 < Posterdati> no 2013-08-26T00:36:54 < Posterdati> a struct with bitfield 2013-08-26T00:36:59 < zyp> ok, even worse 2013-08-26T00:41:50 < Posterdati> zyp: http://pastebin.com/CJz85zQ6 2013-08-26T00:42:17 < zyp> sure, that's the equivalent of |= 2013-08-26T00:42:42 < zyp> which is not what you want. 2013-08-26T00:43:32 < zyp> remember that you clear bits by writing them to 1, |= will write all bits that are currently set to 1, in addition to the one you intended to clear 2013-08-26T00:43:41 < Posterdati> zyp: http://pastebin.com/gKB3M2vv 2013-08-26T00:44:05 < zyp> and your bitfield struct does the same 2013-08-26T00:44:27 < Posterdati> but the structure is bitwise accessed 2013-08-26T00:44:31 < zyp> it's not possible to change only one bit, so it has to read all bits, modify one, then write them back 2013-08-26T00:44:32 < Posterdati> shall I use volatile? 2013-08-26T00:44:49 < zyp> no, you need to stop using bitfields that way. 2013-08-26T00:44:53 < zyp> it's impossible. 2013-08-26T00:45:11 < zyp> preferably you should stop using bitfields at all 2013-08-26T00:48:19 < Posterdati> vut they worked on other registers 2013-08-26T00:48:46 < Posterdati> like ADC, SPI and so on 2013-08-26T00:50:47 < zyp> the problem with bitfields is that they always cause a read-modify-write operation, which will be fine in a lot of cases 2013-08-26T00:51:23 < zyp> but in certain cases like this it won't work 2013-08-26T00:51:40 < zyp> in this case you have to write all bits except the ones you want to clear to 0 2013-08-26T00:52:33 < Posterdati> ha arm got single bit writing instruction? 2013-08-26T00:52:37 < zyp> also, in the cases they work, they are still not optimal since the compiler aren't allowed to combine the operations 2013-08-26T00:53:12 < zyp> no, it's not possible to change a single bit, no memory bus transaction like that exists. 2013-08-26T00:54:42 < zyp> trust me, bitfields is a bad idea 2013-08-26T00:55:59 < gxti> for magic SFRs that don't behave normally yes 2013-08-26T00:56:16 < gxti> for memory where writing a word and then reading it again returns the same thing, kinda ok 2013-08-26T00:57:07 < zyp> gxti, sure, if you don't mind that you're sacrificing speed for space 2013-08-26T00:57:53 < Posterdati> gxti: 0x50000000 are such registers 2013-08-26T00:58:37 < gxti> zyp: depends on how smart your compiler is 2013-08-26T00:59:12 < gxti> no reason it couldn't combine sequential bitfield assignments into one read-modify-write 2013-08-26T00:59:23 < gxti> not that i'm saying it does, but it could. 2013-08-26T00:59:27 < zyp> sure 2013-08-26T00:59:54 < zyp> but having to do a read-modify-write to avoid overwriting data would be slower than a simple write 2013-08-26T01:00:17 < gxti> i'm talking about fields that you *do* read-modify-write. 2013-08-26T01:00:38 < gxti> not magical set/clear fields like the one Posterdati is having trouble with. 2013-08-26T01:00:43 < zyp> and I'm talking overall, because specific cases are pointless to discuss 2013-08-26T01:03:30 < Posterdati> zyp: I understood now, the compiler generater a word data for single bit operation and or with memory, but that will clear the bit's that are actually to 1, since that kind of memory is clearing when write to 1 :( 2013-08-26T01:03:51 < zyp> yes 2013-08-26T01:04:07 < Posterdati> so I have to mask them 2013-08-26T01:04:49 < Posterdati> or not using a bitfield at all, but only mem = (1 << x) where x is the bit position 2013-08-26T01:04:59 < zyp> yes 2013-08-26T01:05:13 < Posterdati> can't use |= too 2013-08-26T01:05:19 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/dwc_otg.h#n159 <- the latter is how I do it 2013-08-26T01:05:35 < zyp> line 186 for instance 2013-08-26T01:06:36 < Posterdati> waht about rw registers? they have to be written using |= 2013-08-26T01:06:44 < zyp> yes 2013-08-26T01:06:48 < zyp> then you do that 2013-08-26T01:07:02 < Posterdati> annoying 2013-08-26T01:07:29 < Posterdati> I hope that this behaviour is for otg_fs only 2013-08-26T01:07:44 < zyp> no, it's certainly not for otg_fs only 2013-08-26T01:08:31 < zyp> various registers have all kinds of different access policies, that may or may not be incompatible with bitfields 2013-08-26T01:08:53 < Posterdati> ok 2013-08-26T01:09:18 < Posterdati> but I don't like the way stm32 library does things, I do not like bit positions... 2013-08-26T01:09:47 < zyp> why do you think it's done that way and not with bitfields? 2013-08-26T01:09:51 < zyp> because it works. 2013-08-26T01:09:56 < Posterdati> ah sure 2013-08-26T01:10:03 < Posterdati> but bitfield are cozy 2013-08-26T01:10:29 < zyp> I can agree with that, it's just a shame that they are so useless 2013-08-26T01:10:36 < Posterdati> lol 2013-08-26T01:11:10 < Posterdati> but c++ bitfield are not same way, I can create a class to write registers in the correct way and reduce the overhead 2013-08-26T01:11:29 < zyp> by the way, there is one sane way to use bitfields for registers 2013-08-26T01:11:42 < Posterdati> which one? 2013-08-26T01:12:36 < zyp> you can make a union of a uint32_t and a bitfield struct, and use that as a temporary variable, because then you have control of when the entire temporary are read from/written to the register 2013-08-26T01:12:49 < Posterdati> yes I did so 2013-08-26T01:12:58 < Posterdati> a union 2013-08-26T01:13:09 < zyp> the synopsys example code for dwc_otg is using that method 2013-08-26T01:13:15 < Posterdati> union tag { uint32_t Value struct {}; }; 2013-08-26T01:13:33 < zyp> but it doesn't really look pretty if you ask me :p 2013-08-26T01:13:48 < Posterdati> wait I'll paste my definitions 2013-08-26T01:14:16 < Posterdati> http://pastebin.com/R05dLf1U 2013-08-26T01:16:39 < Posterdati> ok 2013-08-26T01:17:12 < Posterdati> but I use a pointer to address at 0x50000000 2013-08-26T01:17:26 < Posterdati> so every change on the bit field is written in the register 2013-08-26T01:17:48 < zyp> and that's what you shouldn't do. 2013-08-26T01:18:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.20.86] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-26T01:18:17 < zyp> the bitfield should only be used for the temporary copy, not for the register address itself 2013-08-26T01:18:27 < Posterdati> I can read single register, assign ro union, change and rewrite in ram 2013-08-26T01:18:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.92] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T01:18:37 < zyp> yes 2013-08-26T01:18:54 < Posterdati> I do that for spi/i2c connected peripherals 2013-08-26T01:19:17 < zyp> but the code easily turns ugly that way, I think it looks better just using bits and shifts 2013-08-26T01:19:53 < Posterdati> well it's a lot of overhead: shifts are cheaper 2013-08-26T01:20:11 < Posterdati> less elegant 2013-08-26T01:20:18 < Posterdati> but working 2013-08-26T01:20:32 < zyp> shouldn't be any overhead 2013-08-26T01:20:59 < zyp> properly written code should result in the same assembly either way 2013-08-26T01:21:03 < zyp> more or less 2013-08-26T01:26:06 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.155] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T01:26:44 < Posterdati> zyp: tx, I'm going to fix that 2013-08-26T01:28:37 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-26T01:30:05 < Posterdati> sStatusRegister.m_nValue = (uint32_t) *(((uint8_t *) pBase) + GINTSTS_OFFSET); 2013-08-26T01:30:11 < Posterdati> zyp: for read 2013-08-26T01:36:03 < Posterdati> ok? 2013-08-26T01:57:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.92] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-26T02:02:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T02:20:47 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-26T02:21:27 -!- Laurenceb_ 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sup blogs 2013-08-26T03:06:21 < emeb_mac> goooood morning 2013-08-26T03:06:39 < dongs> slower than AVR gpio 2013-08-26T03:06:47 < Luggi09> fucking fast, like 10 mhz ? 2013-08-26T03:07:21 < dongs> i suspect more like 40 2013-08-26T03:07:48 < dongs> you';ll still need a timer or something to slave it off of 2013-08-26T03:08:14 < Luggi09> cool, I was thinking about attaching an 8-bit dac for generating a fbas signal 2013-08-26T03:09:00 < dongs> sounds german, i think most people call it colorburst 2013-08-26T03:09:09 < dongs> or CVBS rather 2013-08-26T03:09:59 < emeb_mac> gpio sits on the AHB which runs at the CPU clock rate (72MHz max) 2013-08-26T03:10:00 < Luggi09> yeah it probably is the german abbreviation 2013-08-26T03:10:11 < emeb_mac> gpio can toggle every other cycle according to the RM 2013-08-26T03:10:17 < dongs> ya? 2013-08-26T03:10:21 < dongs> so 72/2? 2013-08-26T03:10:37 < dongs> i suspect the actual problem will be having enough ram to have this data in 2013-08-26T03:10:42 < dongs> per eline 2013-08-26T03:10:44 < dongs> line 2013-08-26T03:10:47 < emeb_mac> 72 / 4 - change state every other cycle, so 4 cycles for a full period 2013-08-26T03:10:50 < dongs> oh 2013-08-26T03:11:04 < Luggi09> dongs: yeah that'll be the issue 2013-08-26T03:12:08 < emeb_mac> so roughly 36MHz max update rate, or 18MHz max square-wave freq. 2013-08-26T03:12:25 < emeb_mac> dunno if DMA can support that tho 2013-08-26T03:13:07 < Luggi09> thanks, that's much more than I would need 2013-08-26T03:15:21 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-26T03:16:04 < dongs> hahahaha 2013-08-26T03:16:05 < dongs> To restore a file from the last revision: 2013-08-26T03:16:05 < dongs> git checkout path svn revert path 2013-08-26T03:16:11 < dongs> yes makes TOTAL FUCKING SENSE. 2013-08-26T03:16:41 < emeb_mac> git != intuitive 2013-08-26T03:19:43 < dongs> no git is just idiotic 2013-08-26T03:44:51 -!- ossifrage 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running 2013-08-26T10:07:44 < KennyMcCormic> ie ch1 x 512 samples , ch2 x 512 samples etc 2013-08-26T10:08:25 < dongs> well F0 doesn't have double buffer DMA. cant you just switch channels in DMA transfer complete interrupt? 2013-08-26T10:08:46 < KennyMcCormic> no, not enough time 2013-08-26T10:09:23 < KennyMcCormic> it is sampling at ~500k and conversion time is almost trigger period 2013-08-26T10:09:38 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-26T10:10:16 < KennyMcCormic> at time when dma int arrives adc is already sampling new onversion 2013-08-26T10:10:27 < dongs> heh 2013-08-26T10:18:10 < alexn> everyone used the function pow(x,x). i get undefined reference to pow. i include math.h. 2013-08-26T10:18:34 -!- nighty-_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T10:19:18 -!- nighty- [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-26T10:24:55 -!- 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quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-26T11:38:49 < KennyMcCormic> jpa-: good point, do you mean i need to confgure a second timer so it triggers at the same time the last conversion in buffer ends? 2013-08-26T11:39:53 < KennyMcCormic> dongs: it could be configured to be whatever number of conversions, but the idea is not to miss any trigger event 2013-08-26T11:40:17 < dongs> KennyMcCormic: HT is like halftransfer or whatever DMA, but if i remember the "half" part could be configurable. 2013-08-26T11:40:29 < KennyMcCormic> hm 2013-08-26T11:40:33 < dongs> so you could trigger it at one before last and swap stuff there 2013-08-26T11:40:49 < KennyMcCormic> wait 2013-08-26T11:41:55 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T11:42:07 < KennyMcCormic> it is not about when in buffer it creates interrupt, just when interrupt from dma cames it is already late because the next conversion is triggered 2013-08-26T11:42:23 < KennyMcCormic> so you can not switch channel 2013-08-26T11:42:42 < KennyMcCormic> at least at needed time 2013-08-26T11:43:38 < zyp> KennyMcCormic, can I ask you what your application is? why do you want 512 bytes of one channel first, and then the other, instead of sampling both channels interleaved? 2013-08-26T11:44:49 < KennyMcCormic> zyp: im trying to measure some very small voltage, for this there is a dac creating dither signal 2013-08-26T11:45:30 < KennyMcCormic> i need to sample in sync with dither signal which is periodic 2013-08-26T11:46:05 < KennyMcCormic> if i sample channels interleaving it will cause crosstalk 2013-08-26T11:47:59 < zyp> ok, fair enough 2013-08-26T11:48:08 < zyp> so, does the channel switchign really have to be seamless? 2013-08-26T11:49:21 < zyp> just do a dma job for 512 samples, on dma complete you can take the time you need to switch channel and set up a new dma job 2013-08-26T11:50:46 < KennyMcCormic> so in general it will be one buffer lost and there will be a problem with resync 2013-08-26T11:50:53 < KennyMcCormic> ie 2013-08-26T11:51:01 < jpa-> dongs: AFAIK the half part is not configurable.. 2013-08-26T11:51:10 < KennyMcCormic> yep, it is not 2013-08-26T11:52:27 < KennyMcCormic> currently i want to configure second timer which is fed from the times that triggers conversion 2013-08-26T11:52:58 < KennyMcCormic> from this second timer i can start dma transfer which will set a new channel for adc 2013-08-26T11:59:31 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-26T12:12:20 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-26T12:12:36 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T12:14:31 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-81-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T12:14:44 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T12:27:53 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-26T12:28:27 < dongs> Luggi09: http://www.kerrywong.com/2012/08/16/driving-8-bit-parallel-dac-using-stm32f4-discovery-gpio/ 2013-08-26T12:29:13 < dongs> horrible example 2013-08-26T12:30:13 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T12:31:38 < zyp> wow, that write()-function looks dumb 2013-08-26T12:32:14 -!- DanteA [~X@host-70-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-26T12:33:48 < dongs> lol 2013-08-26T12:34:12 < dongs> its arduino coding style. 2013-08-26T12:34:29 < dongs> where the fuck is emeb. do i need to do anything to connect F3/F4 dac to line out? 2013-08-26T12:34:32 < dongs> buffer it or some other shit 2013-08-26T12:35:44 < dongs> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/stm32_4chl/index.html haha 2013-08-26T12:35:59 < dongs> oh, external dac 2013-08-26T12:35:59 < dongs> argh 2013-08-26T12:39:06 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-81-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-26T12:40:17 < jpa-> dongs: i would add a series capacitor and a pull-down to remove the DC bias 2013-08-26T12:40:45 < dongs> oh hm. ive seen series capacitor shit before. 2013-08-26T12:40:53 < dongs> pulldown? on dac side or cap side? 2013-08-26T12:40:55 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T12:44:52 < jpa-> dongs: output side 2013-08-26T12:45:03 < jpa-> dongs: something large, like >100k 2013-08-26T12:48:38 < dongs> dac -> cap -> pulldown -- line_out 2013-08-26T12:48:40 < dongs> k 2013-08-26T12:49:47 < dongs> i got 220K 2013-08-26T13:46:33 -!- DanteA [~X@host-55-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T13:51:08 -!- DanteA [~X@host-55-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-26T14:00:39 < Posterdati> zyp: hi 2013-08-26T14:00:51 < Posterdati> zyp: could you suggest me an otg_fs device stack? 2013-08-26T14:01:03 < Posterdati> zyp: for stm32f107 I mean 2013-08-26T14:01:29 < Luggi09> dongs: yeah that's arduino coding style 2013-08-26T14:02:17 < dongs> Posterdati: keil usb stack of course 2013-08-26T14:02:28 < zyp> Posterdati, libopencm3 has one, I've written one 2013-08-26T14:08:06 < Posterdati> zyp: normal USB or OTG_FS? 2013-08-26T14:08:16 < zyp> both 2013-08-26T14:11:04 < Posterdati> I found generic usb 2013-08-26T14:11:27 < zyp> huh? 2013-08-26T14:11:43 < Posterdati> on libopencm3 site 2013-08-26T14:12:33 < zyp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/tree/master/lib/usb 2013-08-26T14:12:51 < zyp> there is both f103 and f107 files there 2013-08-26T14:17:58 < Posterdati> yes 2013-08-26T14:18:07 < Posterdati> I downloaded the entire library 2013-08-26T14:20:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1Ogq8jO.png any obvious fails here? :) 2013-08-26T14:20:38 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T14:32:34 <+Steffanx> this is diptrace dongs? 2013-08-26T14:35:33 < zyp> it's obviously eagle 2013-08-26T14:36:16 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@95.139.143.218] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-26T14:36:58 <+Steffanx> And you are obviously say that because dongs like that so much. 2013-08-26T14:37:01 <+Steffanx> *-are 2013-08-26T14:37:17 <+Steffanx> I was wondering if it does this wire 'colouring' automatically. 2013-08-26T14:41:47 <+Steffanx> How's your altium journey going zyp? A master yet? 2013-08-26T14:42:21 < zyp> haven't done anything since the last two designs yet 2013-08-26T14:42:31 < zyp> might do some bga shit next 2013-08-26T14:42:59 < zyp> because people were complaining that qfp-144 were too huge 2013-08-26T14:52:41 < dongs> Steffanx: no im coloring them for myself 2013-08-26T14:53:09 < dongs> so i can group stuff. 2013-08-26T14:53:41 <+Steffanx> I guess it could've been a nice feature? To do it automatically? 2013-08-26T14:53:54 < dongs> automatically based on whaT? 2013-08-26T14:54:29 <+Steffanx> I mean the different power rails 2013-08-26T14:55:05 < dongs> ya but i dont necesarily use it for power rails 2013-08-26T15:00:12 < dongs> anyway, does my white/black/analog switch stuff look sane 2013-08-26T15:00:22 < dongs> im pretty much pulling most of that shit out of my ass 2013-08-26T15:01:20 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.47.57] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-26T15:03:22 < Luggi09> dongs: why don't you have 22 ohms resistors on the usb D+/- lines ? 2013-08-26T15:03:32 < dongs> because they arent needed on F3. 2013-08-26T15:03:45 < Luggi09> nice 2013-08-26T15:13:46 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@dhcp141.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-26T15:15:05 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-30-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T15:15:32 < dongs> wondering if I should bother with a cheap SPI DAC for levels 2013-08-26T15:15:39 < dongs> or pot is better. 2013-08-26T15:16:01 < Luggi09> I would go for a dac or use the internal one 2013-08-26T15:16:13 < dongs> internal one is used. 2013-08-26T15:16:17 < dongs> up 2013-08-26T15:16:24 < Luggi09> ok 2013-08-26T15:19:00 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dac082s085.pdf this is cheap 2013-08-26T15:21:39 < jpa-> dongs: why is ADG804 connected to SPI2_MISO and SPI3_MISO? 2013-08-26T15:21:59 < dongs> jpa-: to toggle inputs 2013-08-26T15:22:10 < jpa-> so the signals just have crazy names? 2013-08-26T15:22:14 < dongs> no 2013-08-26T15:22:17 < dongs> the namesa re correct 2013-08-26T15:22:36 < dongs> i'm using the "slave out" part of them. 2013-08-26T15:23:42 < jpa-> also, i might use 10µF or so for the DAC1_OUT capacitor, so that the load on the receiving end won't cause low frequencies to be cut off 2013-08-26T15:23:52 < dongs> this is for audio 2013-08-26T15:24:00 < jpa-> yes 2013-08-26T15:24:07 < dongs> can I do 4.7? I dont have 10uF in 0603 2013-08-26T15:24:30 < jpa-> sure 2013-08-26T15:24:36 < jpa-> 1µF is probably enough also 2013-08-26T15:24:46 < jpa-> i just picked 10µF because you already have that for C4 2013-08-26T15:25:24 < dongs> ok 1uF is fine 2013-08-26T15:26:14 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-30-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-26T15:27:22 < jpa-> are the USB pins 6 and 7 the connector casing? it shouldn't be connected to ground on device side (http://www.hardwarebook.info/Universal_Serial_Bus_%28USB%29#Shielding) 2013-08-26T15:27:34 < jpa-> though in reality i don't think it matters much 2013-08-26T15:27:55 < dongs> ya ive done both ways, on other shit i left them NC 2013-08-26T15:28:04 < dongs> ill drop it, doenst matter here either way 2013-08-26T15:29:36 < jpa-> i would put 100nF caps on ADC1/VBAT and ADC2/OSDBAT so you don't have to use so long ADC sample time.. which can be important if you want to sample other ADC channels at fast rate 2013-08-26T15:29:52 < dongs> caps to gnd? 2013-08-26T15:30:28 < jpa-> yeah 2013-08-26T15:30:36 < dongs> except none if this stuff really needs fast sampling 2013-08-26T15:31:01 < dongs> what happens if i use uart on the adc pins? 2013-08-26T15:31:03 < dongs> will caps bother it? 2013-08-26T15:31:08 < dongs> guess not? 2013-08-26T15:31:39 < jpa-> hmm.. probably not significantly, but maybe a little 2013-08-26T15:31:50 < jpa-> if fast sampling is not important, maybe it is safer to leave out the caps 2013-08-26T15:32:21 < dongs> this stuff in current version just reads them at wahtever speed and DMAs the stuff and the loop doesn't even look at it more often than every500ms or so 2013-08-26T15:32:49 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@dhcp141.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T15:33:18 < jpa-> yeah, it only matters if you think you'll connect some fast analog signals to ADC3 and ADC4 later 2013-08-26T15:33:43 < dongs> nop ejust boring shit, battery voltage or differential pressure sensor or similar. 2013-08-26T15:33:51 < dongs> nothing that needs to be fast 2013-08-26T15:33:53 < jpa-> ok 2013-08-26T15:35:42 < jpa-> ah.. finally figured out that ADG804 stuff.. very nice way to do it :) 2013-08-26T15:35:58 < Posterdati> zyp: is it possible to use only usb stack from lipopencm3? 2013-08-26T15:36:07 < zyp> dunno 2013-08-26T15:36:10 < zyp> never tried 2013-08-26T15:37:28 < jpa-> Posterdati: gave up on writing your own? :) 2013-08-26T15:39:46 < dongs> jpa-: haha. i duno if it'll work 2013-08-26T15:40:03 < jpa-> dongs: i don't see why not :) 2013-08-26T15:40:17 < Posterdati> jpa-: yes, st documentation is wrong and have no time 2013-08-26T15:41:09 < jpa-> Posterdati: yep.. it is an annoying task, even though zyp manages to make it all look very simple 2013-08-26T15:41:31 < dongs> i dont even bother with USB stack 2013-08-26T15:41:34 < dongs> I just use shit from keil 2013-08-26T15:41:35 < dongs> problem solved 2013-08-26T15:41:47 < dongs> i had to add a total of like 3 lines to my project 2013-08-26T15:41:49 < dongs> to support USB HID 2013-08-26T15:42:07 < dongs> and click through some wizard shit 2013-08-26T15:42:09 < Posterdati> I don't program under windows, so I can't use keil 2013-08-26T15:42:12 < dongs> to setuip device strings and features and crap 2013-08-26T15:42:19 < dongs> first world problems. 2013-08-26T15:42:52 < jpa-> Posterdati: have you looked at laks? 2013-08-26T15:43:03 < Posterdati> and frankly, I don't want to use keil any more 2013-08-26T15:43:20 < Posterdati> str912 + keil + usb probe = mess 2013-08-26T15:43:27 < dongs> str912 sucks. 2013-08-26T15:45:06 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@dhcp141.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-26T15:45:16 < Posterdati> str912 was a real arm, not a thumb crap 2013-08-26T15:45:26 < dongs> yes, im aware 2013-08-26T15:45:32 < dongs> arm9 + no fpu 2013-08-26T15:45:33 < zyp> jpa-, seen my new HID stuff? 2013-08-26T15:45:34 < dongs> real shit. 2013-08-26T15:45:39 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/main.cpp 2013-08-26T15:45:40 < karlp> "real" arm heheheh 2013-08-26T15:46:10 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T15:46:52 < Posterdati> dongs: core apart the peripherals were impossible, especially that kind of flash memory was very hard to understand how swap blocks 2013-08-26T15:47:22 < Posterdati> st help = near to zero 2013-08-26T15:47:52 < jpa-> zyp: lots of magic numbers :) 2013-08-26T15:48:23 < zyp> jpa-, I mean the report descriptor stuff 2013-08-26T15:48:24 < jpa-> Posterdati: thumb makes arm not a real arm? :) 2013-08-26T15:48:34 < zyp> gamepad(buttons(11)), etc 2013-08-26T15:48:38 < Posterdati> jpa-: thunb processors are not full arm mode 2013-08-26T15:48:41 < dongs> Since the SYNC and DIN buffers draw more current when they are high, they should be idled low between write 2013-08-26T15:48:42 < jpa-> zyp: yep, nicest i have seen so far 2013-08-26T15:48:44 < dongs> sequences to minimize power consumption. 2013-08-26T15:48:46 < dongs> whaat 2013-08-26T15:48:49 < jpa-> Posterdati: sob 2013-08-26T15:48:50 < dongs> SYNC = "CS" 2013-08-26T15:48:56 < dongs> "keep cs low while not using the chip" 2013-08-26T15:48:57 < dongs> dum. 2013-08-26T15:49:08 < Posterdati> jpa-: isn't that true? 2013-08-26T15:49:28 < jpa-> Posterdati: yeah, but they are no less real :) 2013-08-26T15:49:47 < jpa-> IMO the thumb instruction set makes more sense than the bloat 32-bit crap :) 2013-08-26T15:50:07 < Posterdati> jpa-: I mean, thumb processor are great, they are cheap, but not like full arm mode processors 2013-08-26T15:50:18 < dongs> pfft. 2013-08-26T15:50:37 < dongs> you just said str9 peripherals sucked (and i agree) 2013-08-26T15:50:43 < dongs> so who cares if its "full arm" 2013-08-26T15:50:46 < dongs> if it still sucks. 2013-08-26T15:51:57 < Posterdati> dongs: the str912 core was not so bad... few memory and that flash mess 2013-08-26T15:52:31 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-26T15:53:02 < Posterdati> arm966e-s 2013-08-26T15:53:09 < Posterdati> or s-e I don't recall 2013-08-26T15:53:17 < dongs> jizzelle 2013-08-26T15:53:23 < Posterdati> jazzelle 2013-08-26T15:53:39 < Posterdati> yes, I think it was java bytecode capable 2013-08-26T15:53:50 < dongs> i.e. shit noone cares about 2013-08-26T15:54:11 < Posterdati> dongs: never saw programming in java 2013-08-26T15:54:57 <+Steffanx> Who needs to see java when you have C# ? 2013-08-26T15:56:58 < dongs> 2 free pins 2013-08-26T15:58:05 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-26T15:58:44 < dongs> hmm 2013-08-26T15:58:58 < Posterdati> I perfectly agree, if I could use stm32f107 instead of str912 I could achieve the result in half the time, full arm was not requested for that application 2013-08-26T15:59:00 < dongs> i have space for CANBUX 2013-08-26T15:59:26 < dongs> canBUS rather. 2013-08-26T16:03:05 < Posterdati> jpa-: I'm trying to follow rm0008 otg_fs device programming model, but no luck! :) 2013-08-26T16:06:29 < jpa-> Posterdati: i'm not surprised, there are a bunch of gotchas 2013-08-26T16:06:39 < Posterdati> :( 2013-08-26T16:06:41 < dongs> blogchas 2013-08-26T16:07:03 < jpa-> Posterdati: and it really depends on how you do it.. nuttx manages to stretch it to 2000 lines or so, zyp does it in 500 2013-08-26T16:07:14 < Posterdati> I think that the Usb_otg model is not so complicated, but problem is that infos are wrong... 2013-08-26T16:07:20 < dongs> nuttx makes your stm32 into lunix 2013-08-26T16:07:33 < Posterdati> another problem is that I have to integrate in my rtos... 2013-08-26T16:07:55 < dongs> if you just used keil everythign 2013-08-26T16:07:58 < dongs> wouldnt be a problem 2013-08-26T16:08:07 < jpa-> Posterdati: but seriously, have you considered using zyp's laks? as far as i have seen it is pretty simple to use and to integrate to various systems 2013-08-26T16:09:58 < Posterdati> jpa-: ok, how? 2013-08-26T16:10:27 < Posterdati> is f303 equal to f107 core apart? 2013-08-26T16:10:39 < dongs> heh 2013-08-26T16:10:45 < dongs> they "claim" it is. 2013-08-26T16:10:48 < dongs> but it fucking isnt 2013-08-26T16:10:53 < Posterdati> http://www.laks.com/ 2013-08-26T16:11:09 < dongs> Posterdati: cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo 2013-08-26T16:11:18 < jpa-> IMO it is totally different :) 2013-08-26T16:11:45 < Posterdati> I've got stm32-h107 for which I developed my app, and I bought an stm32f3discovery that I'd like to use due to fp coprocessor 2013-08-26T16:11:51 < dongs> or more specifically http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/ 2013-08-26T16:11:55 < Posterdati> https://www.laks.com/ 2013-08-26T16:12:31 < dongs> ?? 2013-08-26T16:12:38 < zyp> 15:10:27 < Posterdati> is f303 equal to f107 core apart? 2013-08-26T16:12:46 < zyp> no, f303 is like f103 2013-08-26T16:12:51 < Posterdati> ok 2013-08-26T16:12:57 < dongs> not rly. 2013-08-26T16:12:58 < zyp> if you want something like f107 with fpu, get f407 2013-08-26T16:13:04 < dongs> it has F4-style gpio 2013-08-26T16:13:07 < dongs> or rather AFIO 2013-08-26T16:13:22 < zyp> dongs, yes, but the rest of it is more similar to f1 2013-08-26T16:13:27 < dongs> sure 2013-08-26T16:13:30 < dongs> but UART is diff too 2013-08-26T16:13:56 < dongs> anyway my only rage aobut it is F1's DMA controller. 2013-08-26T16:14:01 < dongs> they so could have used one from F4. 2013-08-26T16:14:03 < Posterdati> so the f383 is more like f107? 2013-08-26T16:14:12 < zyp> Posterdati, no. 2013-08-26T16:14:14 < dongs> since they already broke the fucking "binary" compatibility 2013-08-26T16:14:33 < zyp> Posterdati, there is no connectivity line f3 2013-08-26T16:14:33 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.laks.com/index.php?lang=de&laks_s=off&land=&nameB=LAKSTV 2013-08-26T16:14:35 < GargantuaSauce> shit yeah 2013-08-26T16:14:40 < GargantuaSauce> i want a watch that is also a dvb dongle 2013-08-26T16:14:42 < Posterdati> so no otg 2013-08-26T16:14:44 < zyp> Posterdati, if you want connectivity line, go with f4 2013-08-26T16:14:55 < dongs> wait waht 2013-08-26T16:14:55 < Posterdati> pin compatible? 2013-08-26T16:15:03 < jpa-> though the F4 DMA is broken.. i wonder if the STM32F417 etc. have fixed that 2013-08-26T16:15:17 < zyp> jpa-, 427 you mean? 2013-08-26T16:15:23 < jpa-> whatever 2013-08-26T16:15:31 < zyp> 417 is just crypto if I'm not mistaken 2013-08-26T16:15:40 < jpa-> isn't it still newer than 407? 2013-08-26T16:15:47 < jpa-> IIRC 427 isn't really even available yet 2013-08-26T16:15:54 < zyp> also 429 2013-08-26T16:16:11 < zyp> *yawn* 2013-08-26T16:16:19 < zyp> drawing bga144 symbols is tedious, even in altium 2013-08-26T16:16:25 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-10-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T16:16:40 * jpa- activates 2013-08-26T16:16:44 < jpa-> where is my mor? 2013-08-26T16:18:12 <+Steffanx> Im here! 2013-08-26T16:18:45 < jpa-> :) 2013-08-26T16:19:06 < dongs> wats a mor 2013-08-26T16:19:43 < jpa-> zyp's mother 2013-08-26T16:19:50 < zyp> in norwegian "mor" is "mother", so this sounds confusing to me :p 2013-08-26T16:20:07 < dongs> haha 2013-08-26T16:20:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ye1rXrw.png ok moved some shit around 2013-08-26T16:21:28 < dongs> zyp, the other day I found out that USB mass storage has shit for USB floppy drives 2013-08-26T16:21:39 < dongs> why the fuck isnt this used more 2013-08-26T16:21:53 < jpa-> i've never understood why some people draw schematics as million randomly placed pieces :) 2013-08-26T16:22:04 < dongs> bootloader that enumerates as floppy for fimrware update = awesome 2013-08-26T16:22:06 <+Steffanx> What is the advantage of that over anything else dongs? 2013-08-26T16:22:16 < dongs> Steffanx: the awesome factor 2013-08-26T16:22:19 <+Steffanx> just because it's 'vintage' ? 2013-08-26T16:22:32 < dongs> yeah cuz showing up as USB stick is dum 2013-08-26T16:22:42 < dongs> plug your shit in and it shows up as floppy, girls will be like "ohhh" 2013-08-26T16:23:08 <+Steffanx> At least people wont try to copy files larger than 1.44MB ( or less for the older ones ) 2013-08-26T16:23:08 < jpa-> "copy to my B:, baby!" 2013-08-26T16:23:46 < dongs> jpa-: million randomly placed pieces? 2013-08-26T16:23:47 <+Steffanx> but it also should be 'magnet erasable'... 2013-08-26T16:23:56 < dongs> well, i name all nets, so i connect by net 2013-08-26T16:25:31 < jpa-> dongs: for example the video in and video out connectors could be just directly connected to where they are used.. then i wouldn't have to hunt for them :) 2013-08-26T16:25:51 < dongs> ya true, but for this proto shit im gonna use giant RCA connectors 2013-08-26T16:26:01 < dongs> where after it works i'll make it into headers or somethign 2013-08-26T16:26:05 < dongs> so i'd have to tear it down anyway 2013-08-26T16:26:09 < dongs> and its easier to delete a separate connector 2013-08-26T16:26:23 < dongs> but yeah. 2013-08-26T16:26:44 < jpa-> ah, but any sensible EDA software would let you select the pcb footprint separate from the symbol in schematic!! 2013-08-26T16:26:52 < dongs> of course. 2013-08-26T16:26:53 < dongs> but not with 4 pins 2013-08-26T16:27:19 < jpa-> but obviously the footprint should have just one number for all the 4 mounting pins because they are electronically connected anyway 2013-08-26T16:29:48 < Posterdati> I bought an stm32f4discovery 2013-08-26T16:29:55 < Posterdati> 24? :) lol 2013-08-26T16:30:03 < dongs> jpa-: that is true. one annoying part of dicktrace w/that. 2013-08-26T16:30:12 < dongs> it has SOME support for grouping pins into footprint but its broken 2013-08-26T16:31:14 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AWC51DW/ 2013-08-26T16:31:24 < Posterdati> zyp: may I download only the usb part from laks? 2013-08-26T16:31:32 < dongs> why are you asking? 2013-08-26T16:31:40 < dongs> problem is he uses a bunch of weird C++11shit 2013-08-26T16:31:50 < dongs> good luck defucking that from the rest of hhis code :) 2013-08-26T16:32:02 < jpa-> if you use gcc, it is fine :) 2013-08-26T16:32:13 < zyp> Posterdati, it's BSD licenced, so you can do whatever with it 2013-08-26T16:32:20 < jpa-> Posterdati: of course you can download whatever from the repo, the license is right there 2013-08-26T16:32:44 < Posterdati> I mean may I use only the usb stuff or have I to download the whole library? 2013-08-26T16:32:50 < zyp> the usb code should be relatively standalone 2013-08-26T16:32:57 < Posterdati> ah ok 2013-08-26T16:33:29 < jpa-> so s/may/can/ :) 2013-08-26T16:33:42 < zyp> the usb code is using the rblog stuff for logging, which in turn requires a time() function, so you can either replace that, replace the logging or remove the logging completely 2013-08-26T16:33:56 < dongs> also gpio init and shit. 2013-08-26T16:33:59 < zyp> otherwise I don't think it has any dependencies on other code 2013-08-26T16:34:08 < dongs> and rcc 2013-08-26T16:34:10 < dongs> but thats not hard. 2013-08-26T16:34:22 < zyp> no, rcc and gpio is supposed to be handled outside the usb stack 2013-08-26T16:34:32 < zyp> usb stack assumes that they are set up correctly already 2013-08-26T16:34:41 < dongs> cool 2013-08-26T16:34:46 < Posterdati> zyp so I need only usb dir 2013-08-26T16:34:56 < zyp> and it's not using interrupts either, so there's no dependency there either 2013-08-26T16:34:58 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T16:35:08 < zyp> Posterdati, yes, if you replace/remove the log() calls 2013-08-26T16:35:25 < Posterdati> zyp: don't you use OTG_FS_IRQHandler? 2013-08-26T16:35:29 < zyp> oh, there are a few sleep() calls in there too 2013-08-26T16:35:35 < zyp> no, it's completely polled 2013-08-26T16:35:43 < zyp> you just have to call process() regularly 2013-08-26T16:35:58 < jpa-> i guess one could trigger a process() call from interrupt if you wanted? 2013-08-26T16:36:20 < zyp> yes, when I'm done improving the thread scheduler 2013-08-26T16:36:22 < Posterdati> zyp: I need to send 3200 Hz data sampled by 3d accelerometer + adc 1 channel readings 2013-08-26T16:36:26 < jpa-> but polled is often quite nice, that way it plays nicely with thread priorities 2013-08-26T16:36:47 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T16:36:51 < Posterdati> zyp: then I need a serial port (cdc) style connection to send few command to the board... 2013-08-26T16:36:58 < zyp> jpa-, my plan is that the usb interrupt can wake up the usb thread which will process it 2013-08-26T16:37:07 < jpa-> zyp: yes, it is a good idea 2013-08-26T16:37:07 < dongs> composite device? 2013-08-26T16:37:13 < zyp> then when nothing remains to do, the thread will go back to sleep 2013-08-26T16:37:34 < jpa-> zyp: nuttx does some stuff in interrupt and some stuff in worker thread.. but sometimes the stuff in interrupt takes surprisingly long, which sucks 2013-08-26T16:37:35 < Posterdati> zyp: how can I get the library using git? 2013-08-26T16:37:53 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/main.cpp?h=usb_cdc_acm here's an example on doing CDC ACM 2013-08-26T16:37:58 < Posterdati> dongs: I saw that otg can handle "channels" 2013-08-26T16:38:17 < dongs> keil CDC shit was real nice too 2013-08-26T16:38:25 < zyp> jpa-, I'm planning on having some generic interrupt handlers that don't do anything except wake up threads 2013-08-26T16:38:29 < dongs> i ported my real-uart using CLI code to it in like 5 minutes 2013-08-26T16:38:32 < dongs> surprised it worked right away 2013-08-26T16:39:54 < zyp> Posterdati, 3200Hz samples should be fine 2013-08-26T16:39:54 < Posterdati> zyp: git clone git://git.jvnv.net/laks 2013-08-26T16:40:16 < dongs> ^ ip thief 2013-08-26T16:40:33 < Posterdati> zyp: basically I need 4 16bits channel + a serial port to interact with the board console style 2013-08-26T16:40:53 < dongs> Posterdati: do you need to send trash while console is active? 2013-08-26T16:41:15 < Posterdati> dongs: yes 2013-08-26T16:41:21 < dongs> oic 2013-08-26T16:41:26 < dongs> my shit does similar 2013-08-26T16:41:29 < Posterdati> dongs: is it possible? 2013-08-26T16:41:30 < zyp> Posterdati, usb don't have "channels", usb has endpoints 2013-08-26T16:41:36 < dongs> with composite device i guess sure 2013-08-26T16:41:38 < dongs> but too much work 2013-08-26T16:41:42 < zyp> which can be in or out 2013-08-26T16:42:04 < dongs> i had a similar setup, I just used CDC ACM, press # to get console prompt, once you exit, it dumps data out by default unless interrupted by console again 2013-08-26T16:42:06 < Posterdati> zyp: stm32f107 has got only 4 endpoints. hasn't got it? 2013-08-26T16:42:16 < jpa-> Posterdati: note that you'll have considerable jitter in the latency of the samples.. i.e. it may take anywhere from 0 to 1 ms for the samples to get from sensor to PC 2013-08-26T16:42:32 < jpa-> Posterdati: IIRC it has 4 in-endpoints and 4 out-endpoints 2013-08-26T16:42:34 < Posterdati> jpa-: I've got a double buffer 2013-08-26T16:42:49 < jpa-> Posterdati: yeah, it's fine if you don't care about latency 2013-08-26T16:42:51 < zyp> jpa-, control + three in/out pairs really 2013-08-26T16:42:55 < Posterdati> jpa-: now my system works using a spi sdcard 2013-08-26T16:43:30 < Posterdati> jpa-: I put the four channels in raw sdcard blocks for 5 seconds 2013-08-26T16:43:31 < jpa-> zyp: yeah.. i think we have had this exact discussion before :) 2013-08-26T16:44:13 < Posterdati> zyp: so I can put the usb polling function in a task in my RTOS environment 2013-08-26T16:44:18 < zyp> Posterdati, anyway, you probably want to use a single in endpoint for streaming data 2013-08-26T16:44:48 < Posterdati> zyp: yes, I can, I could pack the four halfword in the endpoint buffer and send it out 2013-08-26T16:45:00 < dongs> what "OS" do you plan to read that from? 2013-08-26T16:45:13 < Posterdati> zyp: and use another endpoint as cdc buffer? 2013-08-26T16:45:19 < zyp> Posterdati, yep 2013-08-26T16:45:29 < Posterdati> dongs: windows, mac and linux/unix 2013-08-26T16:45:55 < dongs> then you better get ready to write windows kernel drivers 2013-08-26T16:46:04 < jpa-> was there something funny about composite devices on windows? 2013-08-26T16:46:06 < dongs> or better not do dumb shit and use standard device classes 2013-08-26T16:46:10 < dongs> no 2013-08-26T16:46:13 < dongs> composite devices work fine 2013-08-26T16:46:16 < Posterdati> dongs: what about hid device? 2013-08-26T16:46:49 < zyp> jpa-, just the driver loading, you have to use IAD to split the device into functions so windows knows to load different drivers for them 2013-08-26T16:46:55 < zyp> unless you write a custom driver 2013-08-26T16:47:35 < Posterdati> zyp: I cloned the git repository for laks 2013-08-26T16:48:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T16:49:14 < Posterdati> rblog :) 2013-08-26T16:49:59 < zyp> you might want to keep it, it's nice for debugging 2013-08-26T16:50:17 < dongs> only if you use gdb 2013-08-26T16:50:30 < Posterdati> zyp: I didn't put a log system on my rtos :) 2013-08-26T16:50:43 < jpa-> you never need to debug? 2013-08-26T16:50:52 < Posterdati> jpa-: it's so simple 2013-08-26T16:51:13 < jpa-> have fun :) 2013-08-26T16:51:14 < Posterdati> and I haven't got a serial port on that board :) 2013-08-26T16:51:37 < zyp> I don't dick around with serial ports either 2013-08-26T16:51:46 < zyp> rblog just logs to an internal buffer that can be dumped later 2013-08-26T16:57:21 < Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/ 2013-08-26T16:57:27 < Laurenceb_> looks like they are trying again 2013-08-26T16:57:38 < dongs> teddy v2? 2013-08-26T16:57:39 < dongs> faggots 2013-08-26T16:57:43 < dongs> i saw they spammed tehregister 2013-08-26T16:57:45 < dongs> with their 1st attempt 2013-08-26T16:57:46 < dongs> that failed :D 2013-08-26T16:58:09 < Laurenceb_> 300bps progressive loading jpeg :P 2013-08-26T17:01:34 < Laurenceb_> pity they #highaltitude is too n00b to get it running on stm32 2013-08-26T17:02:22 < dongs> stm32 doesn't get you on frontpage of hackaday 2013-08-26T17:05:35 < Laurenceb_> itd be nice for covert solar powered cameras 2013-08-26T17:08:17 -!- ReadError [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T17:08:24 < dongs> ^ spy 2013-08-26T17:08:42 < ReadError> no i booted up my macbook after 3 months or so 2013-08-26T17:08:46 < ReadError> and textuals was open 2013-08-26T17:09:41 <+Steffanx> Spy dongs? 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Welcome to ##stm32. 2013-08-26T18:17:14 <@Tectu> :) 2013-08-26T18:17:23 <@Tectu> Steffanx, I only did that when someone new came 2013-08-26T18:18:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@92.40.249.225.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-26T18:18:52 <+Steffanx> So what? :) 2013-08-26T18:22:05 < Laurenceb_> ex-chibios? 2013-08-26T18:22:33 <@Tectu> yeah. how so? I am still pretty involved into the ChibiOS project 2013-08-26T18:22:40 <@Tectu> just that ChibiOS/GFX got renamed to µGFX 2013-08-26T18:22:52 < dongs> SelloutOS 2013-08-26T18:22:54 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T18:23:51 < Laurenceb_> http://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2013-08-26--14-56-05-ELATED-520.gif?u=332 2013-08-26T18:23:55 < Laurenceb_> lol more fail 2013-08-26T18:24:05 < dongs> wahgt 2013-08-26T18:24:08 < dongs> it didnt fall off again? 2013-08-26T18:26:00 < Laurenceb_> looks like it 2013-08-26T18:26:09 < Laurenceb_> seems to have fallen off now 2013-08-26T18:26:21 < Laurenceb_> but that was prob the attachment breaking later 2013-08-26T18:26:27 < Laurenceb_> meaning they didnt video it 2013-08-26T18:29:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-26T18:30:00 < Laurenceb_> No SD car error we think 2013-08-26T18:30:00 < Laurenceb_> So it's just doing telemetry 2013-08-26T18:30:06 < Laurenceb_> raspberry fail 2013-08-26T18:30:06 < dongs> haha 2013-08-26T18:30:10 < dongs> lol fucking lunix garbage 2013-08-26T18:30:11 < Laurenceb_> no video at all then 2013-08-26T18:30:12 < dongs> fail on fail 2013-08-26T18:30:16 < Laurenceb_> trollen 2013-08-26T18:30:55 < Sync__> ahaha sd card error 2013-08-26T18:31:06 < Sync__> yeah had so much issues with that too 2013-08-26T18:31:24 < dongs> newbbberrypi 2013-08-26T18:31:31 < Luggi09> dongs: that pcb looks nice, how big is that osd design ? 2013-08-26T18:32:03 < dongs> its a prototype 2013-08-26T18:32:08 < Laurenceb_> http://spacenear.us/tracker/ 2013-08-26T18:32:10 < dongs> so its huge. 2013-08-26T18:32:14 < Laurenceb_> looks like they got shafted 2013-08-26T18:32:34 < Luggi09> yeah, so the final design will be much smaller ? 2013-08-26T18:32:37 < dongs> right 2013-08-26T18:32:49 < dongs> no im gonna keep using RCA jacks for final version 2013-08-26T18:32:52 < dongs> 2013-08-26T18:33:19 < Luggi09> yeah, at the first look it seemed a bit huge for using it as an osd :) 2013-08-26T18:34:06 < Luggi09> is it like 4*10cm ? 2013-08-26T18:34:23 < dongs> um 4x8 or so, im making it a bit smaller now cuz cleaned up some space. 2013-08-26T18:34:30 < dongs> it doesnt matter tho, its just for testing 2013-08-26T18:34:33 < dongs> and making sure hsit works 2013-08-26T18:37:13 < Luggi09> cool, I'm looking forward to it :) 2013-08-26T18:37:31 < Luggi09> if possible can I be one of the first beta testers ? :D 2013-08-26T18:38:22 < dongs> i duno, it has to work first. 2013-08-26T18:40:34 < Luggi09> sure, it looks like it will work 2013-08-26T18:40:54 < dongs> schematic-wise, maybe 2013-08-26T18:41:21 < Luggi09> right, pcb design can also cause issues 2013-08-26T18:41:52 < Luggi09> but I think you can handle that easily ;) 2013-08-26T18:53:36 <@Tectu> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=-1221&y=-74&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=STM32F429 2013-08-26T18:54:22 < dongs> lol 2013-08-26T18:54:28 < dongs> ooo 2013-08-26T18:54:31 < dongs> 429disco 2013-08-26T18:54:43 < dongs> i thought that was mcu only 2013-08-26T18:56:20 <@Tectu> naaa 2013-08-26T18:56:26 <@Tectu> I got the STM32F439-EVAL board 2013-08-26T18:56:30 <@Tectu> the big one 2013-08-26T18:56:33 < Laurenceb_> omfg 2013-08-26T18:56:36 < Laurenceb_> fapfapfap 2013-08-26T18:56:38 <@Tectu> somehow > 500$ 2013-08-26T18:56:43 <@Tectu> but TFT and SDRAM :> 2013-08-26T18:56:55 < dongs> whats gonna be on 429disco 2013-08-26T18:56:56 < dongs> for $30 2013-08-26T18:57:00 < dongs> lcd?? 2013-08-26T18:57:03 <@Tectu> stlink 2013-08-26T18:57:06 <@Tectu> I hope not 2013-08-26T18:57:15 < Laurenceb_> $33?! do want 2013-08-26T18:57:19 < zyp> 429i disco :D 2013-08-26T18:57:22 <@Tectu> cannot buy 2013-08-26T18:57:25 < dongs> wat 2013-08-26T18:57:34 <@Tectu> not yet available 2013-08-26T18:57:42 < zyp> estimated 4. october 2013-08-26T18:57:46 < zyp> at digikey 2013-08-26T18:58:31 < Laurenceb_> booo 2013-08-26T18:58:44 <@Tectu> where do you see that? 2013-08-26T18:59:19 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/RY55x.png 2013-08-26T19:01:09 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-10-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-26T19:01:30 < Laurenceb_> is there a photo of the board anywhere? 2013-08-26T19:01:36 <@Tectu> dongs, this is MCU only: http://de.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stm32f427zit6/mcu-32bit-cortex-m4-168mhz-lqfp/dp/2333371?Ntt=STM32F427ZIT6 >33$ :D 2013-08-26T19:02:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T19:03:00 < dongs> element14 = ripoff 2013-08-26T19:03:08 < Laurenceb_> http://www.electronicproducts.com/Digital_ICs/Microprocessors_Microcontrollers_DSPs/Invisible_bike_helmets_from_H_vding_rely_on_ST_s_motion_sensors_and_microcontrollers.aspx 2013-08-26T19:03:55 <@Tectu> wasn't element14 meant to be the opposit of a ripoff? As in supportive for startups, students and DIYs? 2013-08-26T19:09:17 <@Tectu> attn dongs http://rurandom.org/justintime/index.php?title=Vinnies_Definite_Straddling_Header 2013-08-26T19:13:44 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T19:17:14 <@Tectu> emeb_mac, btw, I received that ChipQuick flux - works nicely! 2013-08-26T19:17:34 < emeb_mac> Tectu: cool 2013-08-26T19:18:12 <@Tectu> thanks for the tip 2013-08-26T19:18:22 < emeb_mac> one thing I like about using the gel flux on tiny parts is that it holds them in place gently while you solder 2013-08-26T19:19:30 < zyp> hmm 2013-08-26T19:19:41 < emeb_mac> also - they call it "no clean", and it doesn't seem to impair the circuit if you leave it there, but it looks really ugly when it dries out. 2013-08-26T19:19:46 < zyp> I wonder what happens if I enable a gpio then jump to the rom bootloader 2013-08-26T19:20:04 < zyp> (like the usb pullup) 2013-08-26T19:20:06 < emeb_mac> so I swab it with IPA immediately to clean it up. 2013-08-26T19:20:27 <@Tectu> emeb_mac, I didn't clean it for 2 days and it looks nice (it didn't dry out yet) 2013-08-26T19:20:33 <@Tectu> but I used some IPA as suggested and that works nicely 2013-08-26T19:21:30 <@Tectu> so... I forgot to get some solder paste... do you guys think that I can thin the QFN-8 pads with normal solder wire and apply flux, then some hot air? I assume that this won't really work 2013-08-26T19:21:35 <@Tectu> emeb_mac, btw, suggestions on solder paste? 2013-08-26T19:22:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T19:22:15 < emeb_mac> Tectu: I hardly ever use paste. I have some - also Chip-Quik in a syringe from the same place I got the flux. 2013-08-26T19:22:34 <@Tectu> does it works nicely? 2013-08-26T19:22:37 < emeb_mac> worked fine the few times I used it. 2013-08-26T19:22:58 < emeb_mac> I keep it in the refrigerator but it's really old by now. 2013-08-26T19:23:22 < emeb_mac> my understanding is that paste has a fairly short usable lifetime. 2013-08-26T19:23:23 <+Steffanx> You can always get some cheap ass stuff from dx, unless you dont trush chinese crap. 2013-08-26T19:23:59 <@Tectu> dx? 2013-08-26T19:24:07 <+Steffanx> dealextreme 2013-08-26T19:24:16 < emeb_mac> zyp: interesting experiment to try. 2013-08-26T19:24:24 <@Tectu> zyp, you're a solder paste guy, aren't you? 2013-08-26T19:24:39 < emeb_mac> I'd guess the bootloader would reset all the io per its needs. 2013-08-26T19:25:08 < zyp> Tectu, only when reflowing 2013-08-26T19:25:22 <+Steffanx> but he uses stencils as well. 2013-08-26T19:25:28 <@Tectu> well, is reflow with oven only or with hot air too? 2013-08-26T19:25:34 <+Steffanx> makes life easier, sometimes. 2013-08-26T19:25:50 <@Tectu> aren't stencils very expensive? 2013-08-26T19:26:04 < Laurenceb_> they are free from ##electronics 2013-08-26T19:26:08 < Laurenceb_> if you ask nicely 2013-08-26T19:26:09 <@Tectu> what? 2013-08-26T19:26:12 <@Tectu> wtf? 2013-08-26T19:26:17 <@Tectu> are you trolling again? 2013-08-26T19:26:30 < Laurenceb_> shrudlu- on ##electronics has a laser cutter 2013-08-26T19:26:49 <@Tectu> for free as in free free or just free compared to industrial price tags? 2013-08-26T19:26:57 <+Steffanx> you survived ##electronics Laurenceb_?! 2013-08-26T19:27:16 < Laurenceb_> yes but it turned me into a permatroll 2013-08-26T19:29:14 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: that USB GPS dongle pcb you linked the other day - that works? 2013-08-26T19:29:35 < Laurenceb_> emeb_mac: i havent fully tested it 2013-08-26T19:29:56 < Laurenceb_> havent got satellite acquisition with it yet... 2013-08-26T19:30:08 < Laurenceb_> fired up the front end and got the stm32f4 running in the lab 2013-08-26T19:30:09 < emeb_mac> I assume that all it's supposed to do is bundle up the raw bits and ship off to some SDR code on a pc? 2013-08-26T19:30:14 < Laurenceb_> maybe 2013-08-26T19:30:26 < Laurenceb_> i was working on some dsp code that would run on an f4 2013-08-26T19:30:30 < Laurenceb_> it looked doable 2013-08-26T19:30:35 < emeb_mac> interesting 2013-08-26T19:30:38 < Laurenceb_> but im working on thesis writeup atm 2013-08-26T19:30:44 < emeb_mac> priorities 2013-08-26T19:30:45 <+Steffanx> still working on that? :P 2013-08-26T19:30:49 < Laurenceb_> tbh 2013-08-26T19:30:53 < Laurenceb_> swift-nav looks good 2013-08-26T19:31:08 <+Steffanx> and expensive. 2013-08-26T19:31:13 < Laurenceb_> shrug 2013-08-26T19:31:24 < emeb_mac> I see that those SiGe parts aren't available any longer. 2013-08-26T19:31:28 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2013-08-26T19:31:35 < Laurenceb_> i have spares from swift-nav 2013-08-26T19:31:44 < emeb_mac> the company was bought by Skyworks and they have another similar part 2013-08-26T19:32:05 < Laurenceb_> yeah, but not as nice to interface with stm32 2013-08-26T19:32:22 < emeb_mac> ya - just data / clock, not packetized? 2013-08-26T19:32:34 < Laurenceb_> more or less, i forget 2013-08-26T19:32:43 < Laurenceb_> the ones i have go straight into spi 2013-08-26T19:32:45 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-26T19:33:15 < zyp> emeb_mac, you're right, pins get reset 2013-08-26T19:33:42 < emeb_mac> zyp: not surprised. 2013-08-26T19:33:53 < Laurenceb_> http://s7.postimg.org/jj2y8fu7v/20130713_180042.jpg 2013-08-26T19:33:59 < emeb_mac> the default on circuit we cooked up would work tho 2013-08-26T19:34:23 < zyp> didn't do that on this board 2013-08-26T19:34:58 < zyp> I'm intending to write my own bootloader, I just thought it could be nice having a way to replace bootloader without jtag too 2013-08-26T19:35:16 < zyp> oh well 2013-08-26T19:35:25 < Laurenceb_> ^ typical high altitude balloon enthusiast 2013-08-26T19:35:39 < zyp> I tried enabling pullup from debugger after jumping to bootloader 2013-08-26T19:35:41 < zyp> that works 2013-08-26T19:35:42 <+Steffanx> only funny when that guy is you Laurenceb_ 2013-08-26T19:35:43 < emeb_mac> suffering from permanent hypoxia? 2013-08-26T19:36:24 < emeb_mac> zyp: you could duplicate the bootloader startup code and jump into the middle of it after setting the gpio right 2013-08-26T19:36:48 < zyp> yeah, assuming all parts ship with the exact same bootloader :p 2013-08-26T19:38:00 < emeb_mac> no updates allowed! 2013-08-26T19:38:10 < zyp> :p 2013-08-26T19:38:25 < zyp> oh well, just means I have to write a proper bootloader in the first place 2013-08-26T19:39:32 < emeb_mac> what features you want that the built-in bootloader doesn't support? 2013-08-26T19:40:38 < zyp> HID transport, hold custom button pattern during boot to force enter bootloader, etc… 2013-08-26T19:41:30 < emeb_mac> HID - interesting. 2013-08-26T19:41:46 < zyp> want to be able to just ship firmware upgrades as an upgrader .exe that can just be executed on windows that'll perform the upgrade without any dicking around with drivers and shit 2013-08-26T19:42:05 < emeb_mac> right - dfu isn't built in like HID. 2013-08-26T19:42:12 < zyp> exactly 2013-08-26T19:43:03 < zyp> oh, and I also want to show status on custom lights 2013-08-26T19:43:55 < Laurenceb_> TED not rebooting so card or skt broke probably 2013-08-26T19:43:57 < Laurenceb_> lolling 2013-08-26T19:44:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.53] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T19:47:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-26T19:48:01 < Laurenceb_> TED not rebooting so card or skt broke probably 2013-08-26T19:48:01 < Laurenceb_> lolling 2013-08-26T19:48:01 < Laurenceb_> Why you didn't 'lol' here Laurenceb_? 2013-08-26T19:48:04 < Laurenceb_> lolling 2013-08-26T19:48:10 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T19:48:25 <+Steffanx> i love you too. 2013-08-26T19:48:38 <@Tectu> You are not allowed to love anybody but me 2013-08-26T19:49:35 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@77.sub-75-233-108.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T19:50:56 <@Tectu> I'm leaving now. g'night 2013-08-26T19:53:23 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-26T19:56:26 -!- DanteA [~X@host-5-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T19:58:15 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.181] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T19:59:36 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-26T20:07:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-5-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-26T20:26:39 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@77.sub-75-233-108.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-26T20:58:37 -!- Lt_Lemming_ [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T20:58:37 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@203.219.229.140] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-26T20:59:03 -!- Lt_Lemming_ is now known as Lt_Lemming 2013-08-26T21:05:19 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-26T21:18:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@5.100.192.53] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-26T21:42:44 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-26T21:51:50 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-26T22:03:49 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T22:57:49 -!- alexn [~alexn@188-192-186-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T23:02:46 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T23:05:08 <@Tectu> GPIO_InitStructure.GPIO_OType = GPIO_OType_PP; 2013-08-26T23:05:18 <@Tectu> I asume this is a pushpull output? 2013-08-26T23:06:47 <+Steffanx> it should be afaik. 2013-08-26T23:06:56 <+Steffanx> or at least pushpull :P 2013-08-26T23:07:18 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T23:08:03 -!- alexn [~alexn@188-192-186-91-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-26T23:12:04 <+Steffanx> but why Tectu uses that lib? :P 2013-08-26T23:12:35 <@Tectu> I don't I read code 2013-08-26T23:12:44 <@Tectu> olimex magic 2013-08-26T23:13:48 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-26T23:18:15 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T23:19:40 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-26T23:20:06 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-08-26T23:20:10 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-26T23:22:11 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41ooQQ_RIw 2013-08-26T23:27:42 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-26T23:28:27 <+Steffanx> Wonderful. 2013-08-26T23:44:05 -!- BeeMesh [~beemesh@177.182.187.46] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T23:47:09 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.47.57] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-26T23:47:12 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ --- Day changed Tue Aug 27 2013 2013-08-27T00:04:21 < emeb_mac> balloon dudes have strange ideas of fun. 2013-08-27T00:10:52 < zyp> doesn't everybody? 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2013-08-27T03:54:51 < dongs> my other nick? yeah 2013-08-27T03:55:02 < talsit> timecop of naze32? 2013-08-27T03:55:09 < dongs> i think rob levin banned it on here 2013-08-27T03:55:10 < dongs> before he dies 2013-08-27T03:55:14 < dongs> uh yyeah 2013-08-27T03:55:20 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T03:55:48 < talsit> i picked up a flyduino mw32 the other day 2013-08-27T03:55:59 < dongs> so fuck you? 2013-08-27T03:56:07 < talsit> why fuck me? 2013-08-27T03:56:39 < talsit> if i would have known about naze32 the other day, i would have got that one instead 2013-08-27T03:56:57 < dongs> not my problem 2013-08-27T03:57:05 < talsit> mine neither 2013-08-27T03:57:10 -!- [1]MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T03:57:49 < talsit> but i really like the layout of these boards 2013-08-27T03:57:58 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-27T03:59:43 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-27T04:03:48 < emeb_mac> dongs: what dac? 2013-08-27T04:04:29 < dongs> DAC082S085CIMMX 2013-08-27T04:05:24 < emeb_mac> dual 8-bit spi. 2013-08-27T04:05:27 < emeb_mac> what's it for? 2013-08-27T04:05:31 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/yeeI652.png 2013-08-27T04:05:32 < dongs> this 2013-08-27T04:06:06 < dongs> tl;dr: setting black/white levels 2013-08-27T04:06:39 < emeb_mac> aha - video overlay? 2013-08-27T04:06:42 < dongs> yea 2013-08-27T04:06:45 < emeb_mac> coo 2013-08-27T04:07:06 < dongs> i hope it works! 2013-08-27T04:07:31 < emeb_mac> you've already got most of that working already, no? 2013-08-27T04:07:36 < dongs> more or less 2013-08-27T04:07:46 < dongs> but in a really hacky way 2013-08-27T04:07:49 < dongs> i hope this improves it 2013-08-27T04:08:38 < emeb_mac> why not? seems like it should. 2013-08-27T04:09:34 < dongs> ya. furiously r outing a quick prototype to fit into todays free panel 2013-08-27T04:13:17 < dongs> one thing I didnt look is that SPI flash polarity /etc and the DAC 2013-08-27T04:13:34 < dongs> but since dac crap is set once and forget, i could change cpol/cpha/whatever just once to access it 2013-08-27T04:13:57 < dongs> so its not much of a loss if its not compatible 2013-08-27T04:32:12 < dongs> oooo 2013-08-27T04:32:16 < dongs> all except gnd and vcc is done 2013-08-27T04:33:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/X1BJdGl.png 2013-08-27T04:37:38 < talsit> what are you using that for? 2013-08-27T04:37:59 < emeb_mac> looks good 2013-08-27T04:38:16 < emeb_mac> ya - doesn't matter if the SPI setup is different. 2013-08-27T04:39:08 < dongs> the dac datasheet is funny tho 2013-08-27T04:39:17 < dongs> "keep CS low when not using it"... "to reduce power consumption 2013-08-27T04:39:23 < dongs> no, thanks 2013-08-27T04:40:05 < dongs> nice, gnd all done w/just bototm pour 2013-08-27T04:40:08 < dongs> so vcc shouldnt be hard 2013-08-27T04:40:33 < emeb_mac> keep it selected to reduce Pdiss? derp - sounds like a bug. 2013-08-27T04:44:42 < dongs> heh 2013-08-27T04:44:50 < dongs> k time to head to town to setup solar panels 2013-08-27T05:02:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-27T05:43:02 < dongs> blogs 2013-08-27T05:46:56 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T05:49:48 < dongs> commence blogging 2013-08-27T05:49:52 < dongs> y/n/m 2013-08-27T05:50:32 < talsit> y 2013-08-27T05:54:35 < talsit> bored, i need something mindless to read 2013-08-27T05:54:39 < talsit> what's your blog, dongs? 2013-08-27T06:04:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T06:12:58 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-27T06:13:08 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T06:28:03 < R2COM> hi trolls 2013-08-27T06:29:01 < R2COM> talsit: if you bored, get a hooker(s) 2013-08-27T06:35:51 < emeb_mac> hookers and blow! 2013-08-27T06:36:00 < emeb_mac> tiger blood! 2013-08-27T06:37:06 * emeb_mac is getting delirious 2013-08-27T06:38:49 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2013-08-27T07:01:52 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-108.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T07:05:55 < timemob> Who is blogging 2013-08-27T07:06:59 < timemob> Emeb is that audio output part in my junk sane 2013-08-27T07:07:05 < timemob> The png 2013-08-27T07:10:50 -!- amstan__ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T07:13:07 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2013-08-27T07:15:51 < gxti> unblog 2013-08-27T07:22:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-27T07:27:34 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-108.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2013-08-27T07:36:31 -!- [1]MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 2013-08-27T07:37:30 < dongs> dongs 2013-08-27T07:42:26 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2013-08-27T07:49:26 < emeb_mac> dongs: which audio part? (musta been away when you blogged it) 2013-08-27T07:50:28 < dongs> emeb_mac: no, the video overlay shit 2013-08-27T07:50:33 < dongs> there's F3 dac output 2013-08-27T07:50:35 < dongs> to RCA jack 2013-08-27T07:50:58 < emeb_mac> OK - 12-bit DAC should be fine. 2013-08-27T07:51:21 < dongs> jpa- schooled me on how to hook it up 2013-08-27T07:51:26 < dongs> cap + pulldown R or somethign 2013-08-27T07:51:30 < dongs> is that good neogh for line level out? 2013-08-27T07:51:38 < emeb_mac> I've used them for audio stuff - sounds fine 2013-08-27T07:52:03 < emeb_mac> if all you're doing is DC blocking w/ a restore resistor that's OK. 2013-08-27T07:52:36 < emeb_mac> Should be able to get up to 1Vrms which is enough for very loud line-level audio. 2013-08-27T07:54:14 < emeb_mac> what value cap / resistor you using? 2013-08-27T07:54:29 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/yeeI652.png 2013-08-27T07:54:33 < dongs> i think this one hasnt changed 2013-08-27T07:54:34 < dongs> lemme see 2013-08-27T07:54:37 < dongs> oops 2013-08-27T07:54:40 < dongs> wheres schema 2013-08-27T07:54:44 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Ye1rXrw.png ok moved some shit around 2013-08-27T07:54:45 < dongs> this 2013-08-27T07:54:55 < dongs> dac out is like lower right 2013-08-27T07:54:59 < dongs> 1uF and 220k pulldown 2013-08-27T07:55:38 < emeb_mac> 1uF should be fine - drive impedance of the DAC is pretty low and line level loads are generally > 1k 2013-08-27T07:56:32 < emeb_mac> I might reduce the resistor to 47k - that just determines the DC settling time when you power up so it's not critical. 2013-08-27T07:57:03 < dongs> jpa said > 100k, i had 220k in machine 2013-08-27T07:57:11 < dongs> hm, 47k.. i think i have 75k somewehre. 2013-08-27T08:02:44 < dongs> k routed 2013-08-27T08:03:10 < talsit> what are you using this for? 2013-08-27T08:03:23 < dongs> world domination 2013-08-27T08:03:29 < talsit> apart from that 2013-08-27T08:04:53 < jpa-> yeah, the 220k vs. 47k is mostly just how loud it pops when you plug it in :P 2013-08-27T08:05:09 < jpa-> it does also affect frequency response at low freqs but i guess not much difference at those levels 2013-08-27T08:07:09 < emeb_mac> right - 47k gives you 3.3Hz and 220k gives you 0.7Hz 2013-08-27T08:07:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jouq2Ho.png tada. 2013-08-27T08:08:22 < emeb_mac> but the load at the other end will dominate - usually more like 10k, so that's 15Hz 2013-08-27T08:08:48 < emeb_mac> purty 2013-08-27T08:40:48 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-27T08:41:23 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T08:41:50 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T08:51:48 < R2COM> dat schematic 2013-08-27T08:52:50 < R2COM> anyhow, today played more with that Zeph paste 2013-08-27T08:52:59 < R2COM> seems like it does a bit better job on Enig 2013-08-27T08:53:42 < R2COM> one thing I noticed about this paste is, its more soft/liquiduous compared to chipquick 2013-08-27T08:53:46 < R2COM> I dont quite like that 2013-08-27T08:54:57 < dongs> teh stuff that goes into pressure dispensers is generaly more liquid 2013-08-27T08:55:05 < dongs> japs said same shit for their stuff 2013-08-27T08:55:15 < dongs> shit in jar is harder than tube 2013-08-27T09:00:16 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-27T09:00:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T09:15:59 < dongs> http://tinyurl.com/l4cbz9t 2013-08-27T09:17:51 < emeb_mac> that which has been seen... 2013-08-27T09:19:19 < dongs> currently installing on all my assdroid devices. 2013-08-27T09:20:19 < emeb_mac> so kawaii 2013-08-27T09:20:54 < emeb_mac> the bieb would never disgrace himself like Miley Cyrus did. Oh wait... 2013-08-27T09:23:24 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.34.153] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T09:23:27 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-27T09:26:41 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.47.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-27T09:36:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-27T09:38:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T09:55:24 -!- DanteA [~X@host-33-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T10:00:08 < dongs> haha, got the fucking constellation drawing 2013-08-27T10:00:23 < dongs> i guess reading it in as signed chars works better 2013-08-27T10:00:25 < dongs> than unsigned. 2013-08-27T10:00:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/4YvSho2.png 2013-08-27T10:01:26 < dongs> i wonder wtf is the shit on top/bottom 2013-08-27T10:01:35 < dongs> some kinda pilots? 2013-08-27T10:05:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/walstjJ.png 16QAM 2013-08-27T10:06:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MkjB7C8.png 16qam and DQPSK 2013-08-27T10:07:17 -!- DanteA [~X@host-33-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-27T10:11:30 -!- amstan__ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-27T10:27:17 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-27T10:30:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-14-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T10:43:12 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-27T10:43:48 -!- dfletcher [~fletch@108-196-222-251.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T10:48:18 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-78-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T10:52:31 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-78-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-27T11:05:49 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T11:26:42 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.34.153] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-27T11:35:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T11:45:10 < Lt_Lemming> Sooo I discovered the most retarded thing about the Arduino team today... their wonderful new board the Due has a µC on it that has onboard ethernet... 2013-08-27T11:45:38 < Lt_Lemming> there is absolutely no mention whatsoever of it anywhere in their documentation, instead they reccomend using a wiznet based ethernet shield 2013-08-27T11:45:44 < Laurenceb_> wut 2013-08-27T11:45:44 < Lt_Lemming> WHY?!?!??! 2013-08-27T11:45:53 < Laurenceb_> the dua has ethernet? 2013-08-27T11:45:58 < jpa-> let me guess: they chose to use a separate chip that has better driver availability in arduino world and uses less pins on the µc? 2013-08-27T11:46:28 < jpa-> is the on-chip ethernet even brought out? (and does it require a separate MAC?) 2013-08-27T11:46:46 < Laurenceb_> interesting 2013-08-27T11:46:50 < Lt_Lemming> jpa-, it requires a PHY 2013-08-27T11:46:54 < Laurenceb_> got it 2013-08-27T11:47:08 < jpa-> ah yeah, PHY, mixed the terms 2013-08-27T11:47:10 < Laurenceb_> still useless 2013-08-27T11:47:16 < Lt_Lemming> it's retarded 2013-08-27T11:47:43 < Lt_Lemming> pretty sure they aren't using all the pins, it's 144 pin package, so they could have done it using RMII which requires a whole 9 pins! 2013-08-27T11:47:51 < jpa-> Lt_Lemming: who cares, i would probably do the same.. it's not like you expect arduino-class stuff to be the most elegant solution anyway 2013-08-27T11:47:54 < Lt_Lemming> arg, rage so hard 2013-08-27T11:48:47 < GargantuaSauce> what exactly about the arduino project makes you think they'd ever leverage the peripherals of the mcu properly in present or future development 2013-08-27T11:48:48 < Laurenceb_> so 2013-08-27T11:48:49 < Laurenceb_> https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/ST/STM32-E407/open-source-hardware 2013-08-27T11:48:51 < Laurenceb_> use this 2013-08-27T11:48:52 < Lt_Lemming> jpa-, sure, but at least mention it ffs 2013-08-27T11:49:04 < jpa-> Lt_Lemming: why? it is in the datasheet of the chip surely 2013-08-27T11:49:42 < Lt_Lemming> yes it is, and that's how I found it, but none of their official documentation mentions it that I have been able to find 2013-08-27T11:50:10 < jpa-> does it mention every other feature of the chip? would any of the arduino dudes even care? 2013-08-27T11:50:36 < jpa-> "hey here is ethernet on-chip but you need to hook up some wires to a separate PHY and write your own driver" 2013-08-27T11:51:08 < Laurenceb_> how driver formed 2013-08-27T11:57:54 < Lt_Lemming> ok... wtf 2013-08-27T11:58:01 < Lt_Lemming> looking at the official schematic for it 2013-08-27T11:58:29 < Lt_Lemming> it shows a connector labeled "ETH" with the pins for an MII connection... 2013-08-27T11:58:37 < Lt_Lemming> but it's not on the board.... 2013-08-27T11:59:10 < GargantuaSauce> when you stare into the abyss... 2013-08-27T12:00:16 < Laurenceb_> hah 2013-08-27T12:01:22 < dongs> sup dongs 2013-08-27T12:07:22 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=gW2D_Votd2Y attn zyp 2013-08-27T12:10:03 < Laurenceb_> what the actual fuck 2013-08-27T12:10:39 < Laurenceb_> he knows his typical customer well 2013-08-27T12:17:11 < dongs> haha 2013-08-27T12:18:06 < zyp> heh 2013-08-27T12:20:15 < GargantuaSauce> what 2013-08-27T12:21:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-27T12:22:56 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-178-004-028-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T12:22:56 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-27T12:24:50 -!- DanteA [~X@host-14-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-27T12:25:22 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-27T12:26:02 < dongs> http://paparazzi.enac.fr/w/images/Lisa_S_V0_1_r2_on_finger.jpg which buckboost is that 2013-08-27T12:26:06 < dongs> looks pretty small 2013-08-27T12:26:41 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T12:26:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-61-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T12:27:12 < dongs> haha drawn in kikecad 2013-08-27T12:27:14 < dongs> or maybe eagle 2013-08-27T12:27:15 < dongs> nasty. 2013-08-27T12:27:26 < zyp> is that the F4 wlcsp? 2013-08-27T12:27:33 < dongs> no.. 2013-08-27T12:27:35 < dongs> its 72mhz 2013-08-27T12:27:41 < zyp> ah, ok 2013-08-27T12:27:42 < dongs> F103RXYX 2013-08-27T12:27:43 < dongs> or someshit 2013-08-27T12:27:51 < dongs> according to kikecad schematic 2013-08-27T12:28:07 < dongs> LM3668 2013-08-27T12:28:24 < dongs> uh wat 2013-08-27T12:28:28 < dongs> 2.5 to 5.5V 2013-08-27T12:28:30 < dongs> christ. 2013-08-27T12:28:34 < dongs> talk about useless to the max 2013-08-27T12:29:15 < zyp> I can imagine a lot of uses 2013-08-27T12:29:23 < dongs> well 2013-08-27T12:29:25 < dongs> not for this application 2013-08-27T12:29:28 < zyp> fits single cell lipo range pretty nice 2013-08-27T12:29:31 < dongs> right 2013-08-27T12:29:38 < dongs> but dies at 2S already. 2013-08-27T12:30:06 < zyp> true 2013-08-27T12:30:22 < zyp> sounds nice enough for other lipo powered stuff though 2013-08-27T12:30:43 < dongs> something like 2.5V->25V buckboost would be much more interesting 2013-08-27T12:30:52 < dongs> with 3.3V output. 2013-08-27T12:31:08 < zyp> ah 2013-08-27T12:31:10 < zyp> «The LM3668 is a synchronous buck-boost DC-DC converter optimized for powering low voltage circuits from a Li-Ion battery and input voltage rails between 2.5V and 5.5V.» 2013-08-27T12:31:14 < zyp> it's designed for just that :p 2013-08-27T12:31:18 < dongs> yea 2013-08-27T12:31:26 < dongs> but it doesnt charge 2013-08-27T12:31:29 < dongs> so fail there too. 2013-08-27T12:31:38 < dongs> that board design is kinda weird 2013-08-27T12:31:50 < dongs> why spin new hardware w/obviously expensive manufacturing 2013-08-27T12:31:54 < dongs> and use old sensors/old F103/etc... 2013-08-27T12:31:58 < dongs> isnt there F2 wlcsp? 2013-08-27T12:32:00 < dongs> or even F4 2013-08-27T12:33:02 < zyp> yeah, you get F4 in wlcsp90 IIRC 2013-08-27T12:33:19 < zyp> hmm 2013-08-27T12:33:34 <+Steffanx> And probably a bit more expensive. 2013-08-27T12:33:41 < dongs> price is obviously not a concern 2013-08-27T12:33:51 < dongs> to make 4-6 layer board w/what, 0.5mm pitch BGA on it? 2013-08-27T12:33:56 < zyp> are there any combined chips with both reg and lipo charging? 2013-08-27T12:34:10 < dongs> i dunno, i would expect so 2013-08-27T12:34:20 < dongs> since that'd an obvious operation in a lot of battery powered trash 2013-08-27T12:34:27 < zyp> yeah 2013-08-27T12:34:57 < zyp> I just don't remember having seen any 2013-08-27T12:37:07 < dongs> http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/solutions-manual/BatteryChargerSolutions.pdf 2013-08-27T12:37:23 < dongs> seems they exist 2013-08-27T12:37:25 < dongs> page 6,13 2013-08-27T12:39:53 < dongs> shit, it even does 1.2V 2013-08-27T12:39:54 < dongs> and 3.3V 2013-08-27T12:40:02 < dongs> thats pretty awesome oto bad the shit's probably liek $10/chip 2013-08-27T12:40:07 < zyp> neat 2013-08-27T12:40:26 < dongs> 20lead 3x3qfn 2013-08-27T12:40:27 < dongs> christ 2013-08-27T12:40:29 < dongs> 0.4mm pitch?? 2013-08-27T12:40:42 < dongs> wow 2013-08-27T12:40:46 < dongs> its cheaP?? 2013-08-27T12:40:47 < dongs> wtf 2013-08-27T12:40:48 < dongs> $2.91 2013-08-27T12:40:57 < dongs> i expected LTC shit to cost at least 3x that much 2013-08-27T12:41:25 < dongs> and yea 0.4mm pitch 2013-08-27T12:41:26 < dongs> cute. 2013-08-27T12:42:05 < zyp> nice 2013-08-27T12:42:23 < zyp> gonna look seriously into stuff like that next time I'm making anything battery powered 2013-08-27T12:43:02 < dongs> blog powered 2013-08-27T12:45:08 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T12:45:10 < zyp> ltc3556 looks even nicer 2013-08-27T12:45:18 < zyp> though, that one is $10 :p 2013-08-27T12:45:23 < zyp> (page 11) 2013-08-27T12:45:37 < dongs> haha 2013-08-27T12:47:52 < karlp> and here I am just sticking AAs on things. feels like the dark ages :) 2013-08-27T12:48:06 < dongs> blog ages 2013-08-27T12:48:56 < jpa-> AAs are still fine for low-power stuff :) 2013-08-27T12:49:09 < jpa-> much faster to change a battery than to charge the device 2013-08-27T12:49:12 < dongs> one thing I didnt check was how much current all my shit on overlay thing takes up 2013-08-27T12:49:35 < dongs> i just got a trashy linear reg on it 2013-08-27T12:49:38 < dongs> but its probly fine 2013-08-27T12:53:16 < dongs> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm/ dieeeeeeeeeeee 2013-08-27T12:55:59 < dongs> No match for "MATCHBOXARM.COM". 2013-08-27T12:56:02 < dongs> h,m, 2013-08-27T12:56:07 < dongs> wonder if I should waste $10 2013-08-27T13:16:23 < dongs> http://matchboxarm.com/ 2013-08-27T13:16:52 -!- DanteA [~X@host-81-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-27T13:21:53 < karlp> tiny tiny goal thye have 2013-08-27T13:22:24 < karlp> I never reall understand people who don't buy domains for projects _first_ 2013-08-27T13:22:34 < dongs> i kno rite. 2013-08-27T13:22:52 < karlp> we had a major bank here do a rebranding, full page ads for their new name 2013-08-27T13:22:58 < karlp> didn't hvae the domain name when they launched 2013-08-27T13:23:11 < karlp> was a 15 year old law company or something 2013-08-27T13:23:11 < dongs> lol. someone bought and phished the fuck out of it? 2013-08-27T13:23:24 < karlp> no, they jsut didn't even think to check that it might have been an existing business or name first. 2013-08-27T13:23:32 < dongs> lo 2013-08-27T13:23:54 < karlp> they sorted it out eventually, but they had a couple of months of big ads saying, "our website is arionbanki.is, not arion.is" over and over and over 2013-08-27T13:24:27 < dongs> shoulda been aryan.is 2013-08-27T13:27:47 < dongs> they probaly wont get funded and they dont lok like the kinda dudes who can front 1kgbp on their own 2013-08-27T13:32:17 < dongs> they can barely speak english 2013-08-27T13:38:46 <+Steffanx> So dongs owns that domain now? 2013-08-27T13:38:51 < dongs> right. 2013-08-27T13:38:56 <+Steffanx> That's fast. 2013-08-27T13:39:11 <+Steffanx> Fancy webpage. Where's the web 3.0 stuff? 2013-08-27T13:39:28 < dongs> i can add to goatse.cx 2013-08-27T13:39:33 < dongs> im not good at web 3.0 2013-08-27T13:39:34 <+Steffanx> Nah. 2013-08-27T13:39:52 <+Steffanx> Just download 'bootstrap' and make it all look like twitter. 2013-08-27T13:40:07 <+Steffanx> You have no idea how easy it is nowadays. 2013-08-27T13:40:17 <+Steffanx> It's even easier than in the good old frontpage days. 2013-08-27T13:40:31 < karlp> good? 2013-08-27T13:40:35 < karlp> you sir, are insane. 2013-08-27T13:40:56 <+Steffanx> (or something.) 2013-08-27T13:41:13 <+Steffanx> but who didn't use frontpage?! 2013-08-27T13:41:14 <+Steffanx> i did 2013-08-27T13:41:57 < dongs> zyp uses vim 2013-08-27T13:42:09 <+Steffanx> but zyp did use windows once i guess. 2013-08-27T13:46:45 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@78.173.47.7] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T13:46:45 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@78.173.47.7] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-27T13:46:45 -!- mrmcan [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T13:52:24 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@95.139.249.110] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T13:56:45 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-27T14:03:19 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T14:05:00 < Laurenceb> emacs 2013-08-27T14:05:05 < Laurenceb> not vim 2013-08-27T14:05:10 < dongs> dongmacs 2013-08-27T14:05:12 < Laurenceb> FIGGHHHTTTTT 2013-08-27T14:05:51 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war lol an entire article 2013-08-27T14:08:11 < dongs> Historically, vi is faster than Emacs.[citation needed] 2013-08-27T14:08:12 < dongs> lolol 2013-08-27T14:08:53 < Laurenceb> more like trolololol 2013-08-27T14:10:29 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-27T14:13:09 < Laurenceb> http://fedetft.wordpress.com/2013/08/24/tea-time-turns-your-smartwatch-back-into-a-watch-and-a-3d-rendering-engine/ 2013-08-27T14:21:17 < dongs> http://miosix.org/ 2013-08-27T14:21:22 < dongs> i bet that doesnt compile in keil 2013-08-27T14:22:03 <+Steffanx> To develop applications using Miosix you'll need to download the kernel, and install the arm-miosix-eabi-gcc toolchain to be able to compile it. 2013-08-27T14:23:04 < Laurenceb> lolwtf 2013-08-27T14:23:16 < Laurenceb> custom toolchain O_o 2013-08-27T14:23:34 < Laurenceb> need µGFX already 2013-08-27T14:23:52 <+Steffanx> uh you need that? 2013-08-27T14:24:04 <+Steffanx> Tectu will not allow you to use it. 2013-08-27T14:24:53 < Laurenceb> oh noes 2013-08-27T14:25:35 <+Steffanx> The license has a special "For non-trollers only" clause. 2013-08-27T14:26:00 < Laurenceb> oh 2013-08-27T14:26:11 < jpa-> also it requires you to send your other kidney to tectu 2013-08-27T14:26:19 < jpa-> within 1 month of usage 2013-08-27T14:27:36 <+Steffanx> lol jpa- :P 2013-08-27T14:28:15 < Laurenceb> but seriously 2013-08-27T14:28:25 < Laurenceb> need µGFX smartwatch demos 2013-08-27T14:28:29 < jpa-> write some 2013-08-27T14:29:08 <+Steffanx> didn't someone already 'port' the previous version of uGFX to that watch? 2013-08-27T14:29:34 < Laurenceb> maybe... 2013-08-27T14:34:29 < GargantuaSauce> hehehe 2013-08-27T14:34:37 < GargantuaSauce> i forgot to ground a cmos counter and it freaked the fuck out 2013-08-27T14:34:54 < GargantuaSauce> started oscillating at well above the sample rate of my scope 2013-08-27T14:54:11 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T15:37:35 <+dekar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKSTp5lXSeU 2013-08-27T15:37:42 <+dekar> note the arduino XD 2013-08-27T15:38:18 -!- Luggi09 [~luke@cnh8092115178.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-27T15:39:22 <+Steffanx> dekar wants me to be negative or positive about that? 2013-08-27T15:39:41 <+Steffanx> I don't see the problem with arduino when it comes to 'prototyping' 2013-08-27T15:40:00 <+Steffanx> I mean you run lua on your stm32, one can say that's just as bad :P 2013-08-27T15:41:48 <+Steffanx> Hmm, im too serious again. meh. 2013-08-27T15:44:00 < dongs> what hte fuck is wrong wiht her 2013-08-27T15:45:32 < Laurenceb> lol doesnt involve any ti stuff 2013-08-27T15:54:43 < dongs> Laurenceb: i got my constellation shit drawing 2013-08-27T15:54:57 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/4YvSho2.png http://i.imgur.com/walstjJ.png 16QAM http://i.imgur.com/MkjB7C8.png 16qam and DQPSK 2013-08-27T15:54:59 < Laurenceb> cool 2013-08-27T15:55:04 < dongs> i was reading I/Q as unsigned 2013-08-27T15:55:10 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-08-27T15:55:11 < dongs> and that put the whole shit into one quadrant 2013-08-27T15:55:30 < GargantuaSauce> figure out those funky regions on the top/bottom yet? 2013-08-27T15:55:51 < dongs> thats BPSK or rsomething isnt it? 2013-08-27T15:55:58 < dongs> probably some low bandwidth japtv framing shit 2013-08-27T16:00:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T16:11:25 < dongs> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18y9o3dt8tgsqjpg/ku-xlarge.jpg 2013-08-27T16:11:28 < dongs> what is this trashi 2013-08-27T16:11:48 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@dslb-178-004-028-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T16:11:49 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-27T16:13:41 < karlp> never pay attention to any article that is X things you should verb about noun 2013-08-27T16:14:12 < Laurenceb> http://richardsreactor.blogspot.co.uk/ 2013-08-27T16:14:14 < Laurenceb> lolling 2013-08-27T16:14:16 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-178-004-028-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-27T16:15:01 < Laurenceb> " I tried to cook Americium, Radium and Beryllium in 96% sulphuric-acid, to easier get them blended. But the whole thing exploded upp in the air." 2013-08-27T16:15:26 < dongs> funny level: breaking bad 2013-08-27T16:17:00 <+dekar_> Steffanx, my point was that she is an intern at TI and plans to enter that project into some TI competition. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong about using Atmel products, I rather think it's weird TI isn't prototyping on their own hardware. 2013-08-27T16:17:20 < dongs> noone wants to use Crap Composter 2013-08-27T16:20:18 <+Steffanx> oh yeah, i guess that proves TI thinks their stuff is not for beginners dekar_ :P 2013-08-27T16:20:56 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T16:21:45 <+Steffanx> oh no.. no TI don't do it. Don't go Arduino-style. ( their launchpad is already a little arduino-ish not? ) 2013-08-27T16:22:02 <+dekar_> Steffanx, also for a product that depends on dynamic scripting - what scripting language would you suggest? 2013-08-27T16:22:17 < karlp> ignore the haters dekar, lua's fine. 2013-08-27T16:22:24 <+Steffanx> No, i wasn't serious on what i said dekar_ :P 2013-08-27T16:22:38 <+dekar_> Steffanx, I want to hear arguments! :P 2013-08-27T16:23:14 <+Steffanx> Because we dont have an "im not so serious"-sign i always use ":P" 2013-08-27T16:23:26 < MrMobius> late to the conversation but Steffanx. which launchpad and how is it arduino-ish? 2013-08-27T16:23:32 < Sync__> Laurenceb: yeah that guy is a moron 2013-08-27T16:24:07 <+Steffanx> http://academy.cba.mit.edu/2012/students/pello.david/classes/input_devices/launchpad.jpg nuff said MrMobius ? 2013-08-27T16:24:25 < karlp> that's the lamepad 2013-08-27T16:24:36 < karlp> stellaris/tiva pad is the nicer one. 2013-08-27T16:24:53 < dongs> only bash scripting makes hte most sense on embeded 2013-08-27T16:26:22 < Laurenceb> at least lamepad has debugging 2013-08-27T16:27:00 <+Steffanx> arduino too.. using leds or a serial port 2013-08-27T16:27:07 <+Steffanx> *connection 2013-08-27T16:27:39 < MrMobius> the image still isnt loading. what is the lamepad? 2013-08-27T16:27:56 <+Steffanx> msp430 launch pad 2013-08-27T16:27:58 <+Steffanx> -space 2013-08-27T16:29:22 < MrMobius> i guess it depends on what you mean by arduino-ish. it does use DIPs if thats what you mean. almost everyone codes in plain C though so in that way it is more like a plain AVR 2013-08-27T16:30:37 <+Steffanx> i was more refering to the style of the pcb. 2013-08-27T16:30:45 <+Steffanx> with te fancy headers on both sides etc. 2013-08-27T16:33:46 < englishman> i while ago i got linked here to a 1.2MHz switching regulator, anyone remember what it was? :) 2013-08-27T16:35:23 < dongs> was it from me? 2013-08-27T16:35:30 < englishman> might have been 2013-08-27T16:35:38 < englishman> part was also available in a lower frequency 2013-08-27T16:35:57 < dongs> maybe NCP1521-D 2013-08-27T16:36:15 < dongs> oh 2013-08-27T16:36:19 < dongs> or maybe richtek shit 2013-08-27T16:36:37 < dongs> RT7257B 2013-08-27T16:36:51 < dongs> i think that as it. 2013-08-27T16:36:56 < englishman> yeah i thnk that's it 2013-08-27T16:37:00 < englishman> i remember soic-8 2013-08-27T16:37:07 < dongs> those work 2013-08-27T16:37:10 < dongs> i got a board with them 2013-08-27T16:37:30 < englishman> just reference design? 2013-08-27T16:37:35 < dongs> pretty much 2013-08-27T16:37:37 < englishman> ahh yeah diodeless, i remember now 2013-08-27T16:37:41 < englishman> thanks eh 2013-08-27T16:38:38 < englishman> and i already have the datasheet 2013-08-27T16:38:41 < Laurenceb> http://www.learnemc.com/tutorials/guidelines/Worst_Guidelines.html 2013-08-27T16:38:45 < englishman> and the diptrace part. 2013-08-27T16:38:46 < englishman> hurr 2013-08-27T16:40:46 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T16:42:15 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T16:42:20 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-27T16:54:17 < emeb_mac> what dongs has been waiting for: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/48651611/espruino-javascript-for-things 2013-08-27T16:58:39 < Lt_Lemming> whoops, I accidentally started quite the shit fight in #avr 2013-08-27T17:00:55 < karlp> about? 2013-08-27T17:05:24 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@95.139.249.110] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-27T17:06:17 <+Steffanx> i bet mr theBear is part of that fight Lt_Lemming 2013-08-27T17:06:25 <+dekar_> That espruino doesn't even have USB? O.o 2013-08-27T17:06:27 < Lt_Lemming> he is 2013-08-27T17:06:38 <+dekar_> I'd rather buy a matchbox arm :/ 2013-08-27T17:06:52 <+Steffanx> matchboxarm.com :) 2013-08-27T17:07:35 <+dekar_> the fuck? dongs actually bought the domain? XD 2013-08-27T17:08:00 <+Steffanx> He said he did. 2013-08-27T17:09:13 <+Steffanx> 27 Aug 2013 10:04:00 i guess that's a yes. 2013-08-27T17:10:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-27T17:11:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T17:17:23 < dongs> ya 2013-08-27T17:17:46 <+Steffanx> :P 2013-08-27T17:18:15 < dongs> if they DO get funded i could ask for half of their jewgold for t he domain transfer 2013-08-27T17:19:42 <+Steffanx> Sometimes you are too kind. 2013-08-27T17:20:00 < dongs> Good point, @bobc. Not cheaper, though, since an ATmega isn't exactly expensive either. And ARMs have only 3.3V signals which isn't sufficient to drive commodity MOSFETs or TB6560 or THB7128 stepper drivers directly, requiring more components. 2013-08-27T17:21:48 <+Steffanx> Why are you on the reprap forum? 2013-08-27T17:22:18 < dongs> googling matchboxarm 2013-08-27T17:22:22 < dongs> to see where they spammed their shit 2013-08-27T17:22:27 < dongs> looks liek they posted same garbage in a few forums 2013-08-27T17:23:39 < dongs> http://gebojv.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/7/ 2013-08-27T17:23:43 < dongs> "great", "powerfull" 2013-08-27T17:25:47 < dongs> http://mchck.org/about/ wat 2013-08-27T17:25:52 < dongs> nuvoton has a M4 without fpu? 2013-08-27T17:26:35 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T17:27:51 < dongs> https://www.pjrc.com/store/ic_mini54_tqfp.html 2013-08-27T17:27:52 < dongs> what teh fuck 2013-08-27T17:27:55 < dongs> fucking scammer 2013-08-27T17:29:19 < dongs> spent 5 minutes on that mchk site and I still ahve no fucking idea which nuv=oton they're actualyl using 2013-08-27T17:31:38 < karlp> they stopped using nuvoton long ago right? 2013-08-27T17:31:42 < karlp> nuvoton was on mchk v1 2013-08-27T17:31:48 < dongs> no idea? thats whats on pics 2013-08-27T17:31:52 < karlp> they're up to what, mchk v4 and none of them have ever been finished? 2013-08-27T17:32:20 < karlp> picture looks like the old v1 mchck thing 2013-08-27T17:32:47 < karlp> the next version was an stm32l1, now it looks like they're using kinetis k20 2013-08-27T17:33:16 < dongs> ok 2013-08-27T17:33:17 < dongs> sounds uselss then 2013-08-27T17:34:17 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-61-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-27T17:55:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-87-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T18:04:43 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-87-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-27T18:07:27 -!- Luggi09 [~luke@cnh809211979.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T18:11:16 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T18:11:30 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-27T18:13:20 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-27T18:15:12 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T18:15:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-27T18:19:26 <@Tectu> [Tue August 27 2013 13:26:11]: jpa- (jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi) (##stm32): also it requires you to send your other kidney to tectu 2013-08-27T18:19:29 <@Tectu> was there some µGFX talk again? 2013-08-27T18:21:15 < jpa-> yeah 2013-08-27T18:21:28 < jpa-> Steffanx told Laurenceb that trolls are forbidden by ugfx license 2013-08-27T18:21:36 < jpa-> so i decided to clarify the issue a bit 2013-08-27T18:21:43 <@Tectu> how lovely of you 2013-08-27T18:22:05 <@Tectu> so where does one find the logs of this channel again? wasn't there some zlog in here? 2013-08-27T18:22:09 < jpa-> was 2013-08-27T18:22:14 < jpa-> now there is just jpalog 2013-08-27T18:22:16 <@Tectu> no logs anymore? 2013-08-27T18:22:26 <+Steffanx> there is jpa- log :P 2013-08-27T18:22:29 < jpa-> http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/ 2013-08-27T18:22:39 <@Tectu> You don't have permission to access /~jpa/stm32/2013-08.log on this server. 2013-08-27T18:22:40 < jpa-> if i had ops, i could put it in topic 2013-08-27T18:23:03 < jpa-> now you can 2013-08-27T18:23:08 <+Steffanx> Tectu can :) 2013-08-27T18:23:16 -!- Tectu changed the topic of ##stm32 to: STM32 | This channel is publicly logged ( http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/ ) | GCC example project: https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT_Example (Blinky lights, linkerscript, startup code and working malloc) | Join us building the ##stm32 toolchain: https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT (now with multilib) | We have a wiki http://stm32.izua.ro 2013-08-27T18:23:39 <+Steffanx> lol @ wiki 2013-08-27T18:24:57 <+Steffanx> Why no file/day jpa-? 2013-08-27T18:25:09 < jpa-> because there if file per month 2013-08-27T18:25:15 < jpa-> *is 2013-08-27T18:25:21 <+Steffanx> Yes... 2013-08-27T18:25:27 <+Steffanx> I like that reason. 2013-08-27T18:25:35 < jpa-> it would be silly to have both 2013-08-27T18:26:46 <@Tectu> we can also just have file/year 2013-08-27T18:27:45 < jpa-> or a file per nick 2013-08-27T18:27:56 < qyx_> nick per month 2013-08-27T18:28:02 <@Tectu> ^ that. 2013-08-27T18:29:29 <+Steffanx> imho file/day is easier to browse 2013-08-27T18:29:39 <@Tectu> yeah, I think too 2013-08-27T18:29:54 <@Tectu> http://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/chibios 2013-08-27T18:29:57 <+Steffanx> but mr jpa- decided not to do it like that and he decides. 2013-08-27T18:30:29 <@Tectu> screw him, let's complain about licensing some more time 2013-08-27T18:32:12 < Laurenceb> ATTN DONGS 2013-08-27T18:32:14 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2013/08/27/cc3000-wifi-driver-for-net-micros/ 2013-08-27T18:32:32 < Laurenceb> something for you to fap over 2013-08-27T18:33:08 <+Steffanx> I ordered that using this estore coupon code :) 2013-08-27T18:33:14 <+Steffanx> without the .net part 2013-08-27T18:33:24 < jpa-> my logs are for grepping, not browsing 2013-08-27T18:33:29 < qyx_> don't you like the .net part? 2013-08-27T18:33:47 <+Steffanx> Can i sync every second jpa-? 2013-08-27T18:34:32 <@Tectu> jpa-, I thank you for providing a log of this channel. 2013-08-27T18:36:06 <+Steffanx> Yes, you are our saviour 2013-08-27T18:37:50 < zyp> do I have to start being careful with what I say again? 2013-08-27T18:40:04 <@Tectu> no 2013-08-27T18:40:08 <@Tectu> not you 2013-08-27T18:41:05 -!- ABLomas [~abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-27T18:41:36 < zyp> wtf 2013-08-27T18:42:03 < zyp> I googled myself to see what would turn up, found this: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sxpb0/ 2013-08-27T18:42:27 < karlp> hehe, don't you remember that? 2013-08-27T18:42:28 < jpa-> lol 2013-08-27T18:42:42 < jpa-> that's excellent 2013-08-27T18:42:48 < zyp> karlp, no, but I see it in the logs :p 2013-08-27T18:42:55 < zyp> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23%23stm32/2013-02-10.html#20:12:30 2013-08-27T18:43:18 <@Tectu> lol 2013-08-27T18:44:09 <@Tectu> you still cannot defeat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rkI3CDsbolc#t=25 2013-08-27T18:45:28 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-27T18:46:11 < zyp> you're so pro 2013-08-27T18:47:34 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@50.sub-75-233-149.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T18:47:52 < jpa-> wow tectu is hot 2013-08-27T18:48:18 < Laurenceb> and asian 2013-08-27T18:49:10 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-27T18:51:46 < emeb_mac> wtf is that? 2013-08-27T18:53:19 < Laurenceb> www.mynewchinesewife.com/ 2013-08-27T18:53:22 < Laurenceb> prob related 2013-08-27T18:54:51 < zyp> hmm, so far this st nfc chip looks a bit more sane than the ti one 2013-08-27T18:55:31 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T18:55:36 < zyp> interface looks a bit more high-level too 2013-08-27T18:55:56 <+Steffanx> Don't forget to check the errata 2013-08-27T18:56:07 < zyp> instead of reading/writing registers, it has a command/reply interface 2013-08-27T18:56:15 < zyp> for either UART or SPI 2013-08-27T18:56:22 <+Steffanx> ( i remember Laurenceb complaining about these nice chips, with flaws ) 2013-08-27T18:56:34 <+Steffanx> /these/some 2013-08-27T18:56:46 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T18:56:46 < zyp> true, the ti one had some nasty stuff in the errata 2013-08-27T18:57:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T18:57:22 < zyp> doesn't seem to be an errata though 2013-08-27T18:57:49 <@Tectu> I feel sad, does anybody care? 2013-08-27T18:58:34 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM76/CL1766/SC1540/PF251931 <- this one looks fun, and seems to be footprint compatible with CR95HF 2013-08-27T18:58:57 < zyp> it's supposed to have «card emulation» 2013-08-27T18:59:52 <+Steffanx> chibios cares Tectu 2013-08-27T18:59:54 <+Steffanx> *# 2013-08-27T19:00:28 <+Steffanx> School isn't good for you is it Tectu? You get grumpy. 2013-08-27T19:00:35 <@Tectu> no I don't 2013-08-27T19:01:07 <+Steffanx> No you dont. 2013-08-27T19:01:35 <@Tectu> it's just less satisfying to sit in school all days than do any hacking in a fully equiped fachhochschule 2013-08-27T19:02:57 <+Steffanx> Sometimes, yes. 2013-08-27T19:05:08 <@Tectu> any reason for not to get this paste? (except the price) http://ch.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=2131462 2013-08-27T19:05:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-27T19:05:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T19:15:45 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@dslb-178-004-028-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-27T19:24:06 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-175.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-27T19:30:17 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T19:36:32 < zyp> huh, my code to access cr95hf works on first try 2013-08-27T19:36:36 < zyp> that's impressive 2013-08-27T19:38:55 < jpa-> :) 2013-08-27T19:42:13 <@Tectu> ususally people use the word 'scary', not 'impressive' 2013-08-27T19:43:12 < jpa-> why? 2013-08-27T19:43:19 < jpa-> it's normal for zyp :) 2013-08-27T19:43:31 <@Tectu> then he's a scary person. 2013-08-27T19:43:48 < jpa-> oh yes. 2013-08-27T19:45:45 <@Tectu> so who tought zyp anything? (the GDB meme). Isn't it usually the other way around? 2013-08-27T19:45:56 < jpa-> karlp did 2013-08-27T19:46:01 <@Tectu> oh 2013-08-27T19:46:09 < karlp> it was tiny tiny tiny, but it was a first me to teach him something ;) 2013-08-27T19:46:14 -!- amstan__ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T19:46:29 < jpa-> he is the real guru.. there is a reason why stlink always yells "KARL!" when there is trouble 2013-08-27T19:46:45 < karlp> hilarious that still hasn't been taken out 2013-08-27T19:47:00 <@Tectu> I actually mentioned twice to karlp that he sound remove that line (He told me it was for debug purposes) 2013-08-27T19:47:10 <@Tectu> "I'll look into it" 2013-08-27T19:47:18 <+Steffanx> Maybe he did 2013-08-27T19:47:19 < karlp> not to me you didn't, 2013-08-27T19:47:29 < zyp> karlp is not maintaining the code 2013-08-27T19:47:32 < karlp> well, maybe in the dim mists of time, 2013-08-27T19:47:33 < zyp> not his responsibility :p 2013-08-27T19:47:40 < karlp> but yeah, I don't maintain it, and I don't use it anymore 2013-08-27T19:47:41 <@Tectu> zyp, no reason not to send a patch 2013-08-27T19:47:53 <+Steffanx> no, reason not to send a patch Tectu 2013-08-27T19:48:00 <+Steffanx> -, 2013-08-27T19:48:20 <@Tectu> >.> 2013-08-27T19:48:22 < karlp> and I got sick of fixing the same things in something I wasn't using, so _I'm_ certainly not sending patches to it anymore :) 2013-08-27T19:48:29 < jpa-> it's not like any stlink user would ever dare to pull a new version anyway 2013-08-27T19:48:32 < jpa-> if it works, let it be 2013-08-27T19:48:44 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-27T19:48:48 < karlp> hahah 2013-08-27T19:49:00 < karlp> except for those poor people who want to us a new device _and_ an old device! 2013-08-27T19:49:10 < zyp> «Parallella Pre-shipping Confirmation» 2013-08-27T19:49:18 <+Steffanx> is that still how it works with that project nowadays?! 2013-08-27T19:49:26 < jpa-> karlp: well you can always have two binaries :) 2013-08-27T19:56:06 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T19:58:45 -!- amstan__ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-27T20:04:53 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-27T20:06:33 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T20:09:00 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-27T20:09:22 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.34.153] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T20:09:25 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-27T20:09:26 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-27T20:27:52 < emeb> not too interested in Parallela. Would like a cheap Zynq board though. 2013-08-27T20:31:28 < emeb> this looks interesting. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/652945597/red-pitaya-open-instruments-for-everyone?ref=home_spotlight 2013-08-27T20:31:31 < emeb> not cheap tho 2013-08-27T20:35:19 < zyp> emeb, cheap zynq is exactly why I'm getting it 2013-08-27T20:35:46 < zyp> I don't expect the epiphany stuff to be useful; if it turns out it is, that's just a bonus 2013-08-27T20:37:08 < emeb> main downside of the parallela board is little/no uncommitted GPIO from the Zynq. 2013-08-27T20:39:13 <+Steffanx> So where is the gpio going to? 2013-08-27T20:41:41 <+Steffanx> oh, you mean the IO you see here http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0230/6005/products/parallella_product_photo2_1024x1024.jpg?417 is 'in use'? 2013-08-27T20:47:27 < zyp> only one of those ports comes from the zynq 2013-08-27T20:47:43 < zyp> one is power and the other two are epiphany interconnects 2013-08-27T20:48:13 < emeb> ah - that's more than I thought 2013-08-27T20:48:33 < zyp> I don't remember exactly how many there were 2013-08-27T20:49:21 < emeb> those aren't bad connectors - I've used something similar (Samtec?) on some dayjob boards. 2013-08-27T20:49:28 < emeb> but cables are $$$ 2013-08-27T20:49:28 < karlp> L1 usb is the same as f103 usb right? it appears to be so from the diagrams and descriptions 2013-08-27T20:49:47 < zyp> emeb, yeah 2013-08-27T20:49:58 < zyp> lots of those on the phone stuff I've been working on too 2013-08-27T20:50:05 < zyp> karlp, yep 2013-08-27T20:50:27 < emeb> zyp: pretty easy to just plop one of the mating connectors down on a daughtercard tho. 2013-08-27T20:50:47 < zyp> yeah, they are mainly intended for board to board interconnections as I understand it 2013-08-27T20:51:15 < zyp> the bladerf also has one of those 2013-08-27T20:56:21 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-27T21:03:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has 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https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=https%3a%2f%2fmy.st.com%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fcortex_mx_stm32%2fSTM32F103%20CAN%20and%20USB%20at%20the%20same%20time&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B¤tviews=502 2013-08-27T22:27:26 < qyx_> nice link 2013-08-27T23:13:02 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-27T23:16:50 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T23:22:22 <+Steffanx> st style qyx_ :) 2013-08-27T23:26:33 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T23:54:42 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-27T23:58:58 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: to sleep, perchance to dream] 2013-08-27T23:59:36 -!- sterna 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there are chips that can do it. 2013-08-28T06:53:18 < emeb_mac> there's a good paper on the process here: http://www.digitalsignallabs.com/msk.pdf 2013-08-28T06:53:29 < dongs> ya you linked that before I think 2013-08-28T06:53:31 < dongs> i think i saved it 2013-08-28T06:54:03 < dongs> yar already in my dir for this prj 2013-08-28T06:56:51 < emeb_mac> heh 2013-08-28T06:57:02 < emeb_mac> I think there's a chipset that does that. 2013-08-28T06:57:37 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T06:59:39 < emeb_mac> but it's old-n-busted 2013-08-28T06:59:52 < emeb_mac> no longer available from the usual suspects 2013-08-28T07:00:05 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=Vgt8CIq7lYw watchign this and wondering WHY 2013-08-28T07:00:21 < dongs> i guess this guys time is *utterly* worthless 2013-08-28T07:10:36 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T07:11:54 < emeb_mac> seems like a lot of trouble to go to for something like that. 2013-08-28T07:14:15 -!- amstan__ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-28T07:15:18 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T07:31:19 < dongs> its an obsolete $200-worth at most AMD laptop 2013-08-28T07:31:21 < dongs> from like 5+ years ago 2013-08-28T07:31:24 < dongs> totally not worth it. 2013-08-28T07:42:29 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-28T07:54:56 < dongs> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/08/27/1641236/new-keyboard-accessory-shocks-users-when-they-try-to-go-on-facebook 2013-08-28T07:54:59 < dongs> finally a use for tarduino 2013-08-28T08:01:31 < Lt_Lemming> sigh 2013-08-28T08:01:41 < Lt_Lemming> altium doesn't have a part for the STM32F107 >_< 2013-08-28T08:21:20 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.104] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T08:29:09 < emeb_mac> how hard is it to build a new part? 2013-08-28T08:33:09 < Lt_Lemming> emeb_mac, not amazingly 2013-08-28T08:33:13 < Lt_Lemming> just tedious that I have too 2013-08-28T08:33:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T08:35:09 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T08:35:58 -!- gsmcmull1n [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-28T08:42:57 < jpa-> Lt_Lemming: just take some other STM32F10x part, compare and fix 2013-08-28T08:45:31 < Lt_Lemming> yeah yeah, I'm looking at doing that 2013-08-28T08:45:34 < Lt_Lemming> but effort 2013-08-28T08:46:34 < emeb_mac> dude - you picked the wrong hobby if that sort of thing bugs you. 2013-08-28T08:46:45 < Lt_Lemming> heh 2013-08-28T08:46:48 < Lt_Lemming> too true 2013-08-28T08:47:06 < dongs> uh.. 2013-08-28T08:47:46 < englishman> hobby + altium? 2013-08-28T08:47:59 < jpa-> warez 2013-08-28T08:48:01 < jpa-> like dongs 2013-08-28T08:48:12 < Lt_Lemming> the bay of johnny depps 2013-08-28T08:48:41 < emeb_mac> avast! 2013-08-28T08:48:46 < emeb_mac> ahoy! 2013-08-28T08:48:49 < emeb_mac> arrrr! 2013-08-28T08:49:08 < Lt_Lemming> *SQUAWK* 2013-08-28T08:49:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-28T08:49:22 < jpa-> keygens ahead! man the hex editors! 2013-08-28T08:50:15 < emeb_mac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcRwIH130fA 2013-08-28T08:51:10 < Lt_Lemming> lol jpa- 2013-08-28T08:51:21 < Lt_Lemming> legitimately lol'ing at that one 2013-08-28T08:58:41 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T08:58:58 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T09:04:38 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T09:07:39 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-28T09:11:35 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-28T09:11:52 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=0EUAEtri3h0 2013-08-28T09:11:52 < dongs> lol 2013-08-28T09:11:54 < dongs> 2006 2013-08-28T09:12:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T09:22:17 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.38.251] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T09:22:18 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-28T09:26:42 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.34.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-28T09:27:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-28T09:32:29 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T09:59:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T10:04:04 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T10:05:55 -!- mrcan_ [~mrcan@unaffiliated/mrcan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-28T10:21:30 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T10:22:53 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/L06xTqr.png 2013-08-28T10:26:10 < R2COM> lsm303 2013-08-28T10:32:12 < dongs> manlab 2013-08-28T10:33:09 < R2COM> true 2013-08-28T10:34:47 < dongs> got my "hakko" tips in 2013-08-28T10:34:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6ndUntt.jpg 2013-08-28T10:34:51 < dongs> totally cloned shit man 2013-08-28T10:34:54 < dongs> not even a single label on them 2013-08-28T10:35:04 < dongs> but got some nice wide tips, that'll be cool 2013-08-28T10:35:17 < R2COM> is hakko good? 2013-08-28T10:36:01 < R2COM> I'm still using my CircuitSpecialists station with iron, works really nice for me. for > 2 years 2013-08-28T10:37:52 < R2COM> one of the 120mm fans in my pc starts making sounds, time to replace 2013-08-28T10:38:07 < R2COM> I demand space grade fans! for life. 2013-08-28T10:38:11 < R2COM> xD 2013-08-28T10:38:16 < R2COM> defence grade fans 2013-08-28T10:38:25 < R2COM> which never fail 2013-08-28T10:40:07 < R2COM> sleep time 2013-08-28T10:41:18 -!- R2COM 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Will the values simply stop being written, or is it likely to raise an error? 2013-08-28T10:55:40 < mansfeld> I've got several identical chips with the same firmware (all with RDP level 0), and one of them keeps failing with a "write protect" error. Any ideas? 2013-08-28T10:56:04 < mansfeld> Can't find anything relevant in the Flash and EEPROM programming guide either :( 2013-08-28T11:03:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-28T11:15:35 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-28T11:15:59 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T11:16:31 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.166] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T11:19:40 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.38.251] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-28T11:20:46 < jpa-> mansfeld: maybe write protect is enabled? :) 2013-08-28T11:21:43 < mansfeld> jpa-: I checked the option bits, write protect is set to level 0 (and disabled on the individual sectors) 2013-08-28T11:22:48 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.166] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 2013-08-28T11:23:49 < dongs> hello flycack 2013-08-28T11:24:36 < dongs> fuck freescale 2013-08-28T11:25:13 < dongs> you ahvent done anything with stm32 2013-08-28T11:25:15 < dongs> so it doesnt matter. 2013-08-28T11:26:58 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-28T11:27:26 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T11:44:39 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-28T11:44:56 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T12:03:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T12:14:47 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T12:17:30 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-28T12:17:30 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-28T12:24:54 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-178-004-025-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T12:24:58 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-28T12:27:03 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T12:28:20 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@dslb-178-004-025-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T12:28:23 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-28T12:29:34 -!- dekar [~dekar@dslb-178-004-025-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-28T12:34:53 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T12:37:06 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-28T12:37:06 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-28T12:37:28 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.105] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T12:39:37 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T12:46:53 < Laurenceb> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/08/28/0048238/researchers-reverse-engineer-dropbox-cracking-heavily-obfuscated-python-app 2013-08-28T12:46:55 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-08-28T13:07:58 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-28T13:10:57 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-28T13:15:38 < Laurenceb> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/resistanceisfutile.jpg 2013-08-28T13:15:40 < Laurenceb> hahahahahaa 2013-08-28T13:15:44 < Laurenceb> lolling epically 2013-08-28T13:19:21 <+Steffanx> Can you do me a favour Laurenceb? Can you link to the actual article instead of slashdot next time? Thank you. 2013-08-28T13:20:09 < Laurenceb> didnt they see that the nylon would just come off the resistor 2013-08-28T13:20:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-28T13:21:28 <+Steffanx> oh, they tried to use that to 'cut' the wire? I thought it was just some fancy way to attach a wire to something else. 2013-08-28T13:21:38 < Laurenceb> nope 2013-08-28T13:21:45 < karlp> see, now that image makes sense. 2013-08-28T13:22:06 < Laurenceb> they thought the cord would magically align with the middle of the resistor 2013-08-28T13:22:27 < karlp> how much current were they planning on putitng through it? 2013-08-28T13:22:56 < karlp> last time I used that sort of trick was using small signal diodes as detonators, never tried a resistor, 2013-08-28T13:22:58 < Laurenceb> 1 amp 2013-08-28T13:23:07 < karlp> the fuck are they doing with that much spare power? 2013-08-28T13:23:16 < Laurenceb> lithium batteries 2013-08-28T13:23:24 < Laurenceb> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:dscn1015.jpg?cache=cache 2013-08-28T13:23:28 < Laurenceb> thats how i do it 2013-08-28T13:23:40 <+Steffanx> *would do it 2013-08-28T13:23:42 < karlp> can't see shit numbnuts, that's blurry as fuck 2013-08-28T13:23:53 < Laurenceb> Steffanx: ive launched that a few times 2013-08-28T13:24:01 <+Steffanx> i guess they think really 'detonates'? 2013-08-28T13:24:51 < karlp> they didn't want mechanical because of freezing or something? 2013-08-28T13:25:02 < Laurenceb> yeah and weight 2013-08-28T13:26:10 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T13:27:45 <+Steffanx> There isn't a real problem with their current method imho. If attaced properly it isn't that bad. As it's not going for a flight duration record anyway. 2013-08-28T13:28:09 < Laurenceb> ive ued it quite a few times 2013-08-28T13:28:12 < Laurenceb> works fine 2013-08-28T13:28:19 < karlp> is that designed to just get hot enough to melt the cord, but not destructively fail the resistor? 2013-08-28T13:28:43 < Laurenceb> yeah 2013-08-28T13:30:20 <+Steffanx> How did that test of that B-? wit the solar panel end Laurenceb? 2013-08-28T13:31:04 < Laurenceb> it landed during the night 2013-08-28T13:31:16 < Laurenceb> tropospheric superpressure is unstable 2013-08-28T13:31:35 < Laurenceb> im thinking it needs some methanol adding to the evelope 2013-08-28T13:31:36 <+Steffanx> Too bad. 2013-08-28T13:32:15 <+Steffanx> You know you're talking to someone who know litttle about all this balooning stuff uh? 2013-08-28T13:34:28 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.105] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-28T14:14:23 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-28T14:14:54 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T14:16:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T14:18:58 -!- orhan_ [~orhan89@167.205.22.105] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T14:20:19 -!- orhan_ [~orhan89@167.205.22.105] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-28T14:37:55 < Laurenceb> serious lack of trolling 2013-08-28T14:38:16 < dongs> or chatting 2013-08-28T14:41:15 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-28T14:42:14 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.166] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T14:43:29 < Laurenceb> some fail for you dongs 2013-08-28T14:43:35 < Laurenceb> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/resistanceisfutile.jpg 2013-08-28T14:44:16 < dongs> i dont get it 2013-08-28T14:44:20 <@Tectu> neither do I 2013-08-28T14:44:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-28T14:44:37 < Laurenceb> the resistor was supposed to melt the cord 2013-08-28T14:44:45 < Laurenceb> its the bear drop thing 2013-08-28T14:44:48 < Laurenceb> that failed 2013-08-28T14:44:57 < dongs> oh 2013-08-28T14:45:24 < Laurenceb> theres a small problem in their plan... 2013-08-28T14:45:39 < dongs> .. tehy used lunix? 2013-08-28T14:45:43 <@Tectu> why don't they take some serious resistance wire and loop it around the cord? 2013-08-28T14:45:52 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.105] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T14:45:53 < Laurenceb> the cord misses the resistor 2013-08-28T14:45:55 < Laurenceb> durrrrr 2013-08-28T14:46:00 <@Tectu> what is this about anyway? I just saw your bear drop fail .gif 2013-08-28T14:46:11 < Laurenceb> only after several attempts 2013-08-28T14:46:49 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-28T14:47:00 < Laurenceb> they were trying to drop a bear off a balloon 2013-08-28T14:47:07 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.105] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T14:47:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T14:48:27 <@Tectu> why? 2013-08-28T14:49:24 < dongs> because troll 2013-08-28T14:50:05 <+Steffanx> because they can .. 2013-08-28T14:54:20 < Laurenceb> but thats why its funny 2013-08-28T14:54:23 < Laurenceb> cuz they cant 2013-08-28T14:56:19 < BrainDamage> they should dismember Laurenceb and drop it off a balloon, that'd be more creative and sensationalistic 2013-08-28T14:56:32 < Laurenceb> trololololol 2013-08-28T14:56:40 < Laurenceb> would never work 2013-08-28T14:56:50 < Laurenceb> as they wouldnt be able to drop the parts 2013-08-28T14:57:20 <+Steffanx> Like it matters.. you'll come down eventually. 2013-08-28T14:59:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-28T15:02:43 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-28T15:19:31 < qyx_> Laurenceb: that thing was supposed to work? /o\ 2013-08-28T15:19:47 < Laurenceb> apparently they thought so... 2013-08-28T15:20:21 < BrainDamage> well, if you throw say 1kA/us, the resistor could explode and the string would go free 2013-08-28T15:20:32 < Laurenceb> i suggested the idea to them based on this thing from 2007 2013-08-28T15:20:33 < Laurenceb> http://wiki.ukhas.org.uk/_media/projects:dscn1015.jpg?cache=cache 2013-08-28T15:20:45 < Laurenceb> it was "too complex" so they simplified it... 2013-08-28T15:21:08 < Laurenceb> theres a resistor under the orange line 2013-08-28T15:21:26 < BrainDamage> ah, looks similar to the strain relief system they have in parachute triggers 2013-08-28T15:21:42 < Laurenceb> yeah 2013-08-28T15:22:15 < Laurenceb> also they swapped my LDPE line for Nylon .... 2013-08-28T15:22:50 < Laurenceb> massivly higher melting point 2013-08-28T15:22:59 <+Steffanx> i guess they did test it? So .. 2013-08-28T15:23:28 < BrainDamage> it's hard to replicate the conditions down 2013-08-28T15:23:29 <+Steffanx> I don't see why this method wouldn't work, if and only if they didn't fail to keep the wire on the right spot. 2013-08-28T15:23:43 < BrainDamage> like all the tugging on the wires from winds 2013-08-28T15:23:43 <+Steffanx> *wouldn't have 2013-08-28T15:23:46 <+Steffanx> wored 2013-08-28T15:23:58 < Laurenceb> its hard to get a resistor to 300C + without it self destructing 2013-08-28T15:24:04 < Laurenceb> also your first point 2013-08-28T15:24:15 < Laurenceb> and itll rip the resistor off 2013-08-28T15:24:30 < Laurenceb> i used a large SMD thing 2013-08-28T15:25:08 <+Steffanx> So what is inside the foil? you see on that blurry photo? 2013-08-28T15:25:31 < Laurenceb> thats solder 2013-08-28T15:25:41 <+Steffanx> you melt de solder? 2013-08-28T15:25:55 < Laurenceb> with a soldering iron... 2013-08-28T15:26:04 <+Steffanx> I mean.. how does that thing work. 2013-08-28T15:26:13 < Laurenceb> theres an smd resistor under the orange cord 2013-08-28T15:26:21 < Laurenceb> it heats up and melts the cord 2013-08-28T15:26:22 <+Steffanx> oh, there! 2013-08-28T15:27:09 <+Steffanx> Can I give you some advice Laurenceb? Or get a new camera or don't take pictures at all :) 2013-08-28T15:27:19 < Laurenceb> heh 2013-08-28T15:27:53 <+Steffanx> now it makes sense. 2013-08-28T15:28:26 <+Steffanx> I expected something more spectacular. Like some explosive material inside foil.. 2013-08-28T15:30:46 < BrainDamage> it has to cut a rope 2013-08-28T15:31:14 < BrainDamage> you /could/ use explosives, but why 2013-08-28T15:31:18 < Laurenceb> yeah explosives might just fray a bit of the side 2013-08-28T15:31:25 < Laurenceb> unless you used a lot... 2013-08-28T15:31:27 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=nxFad7Rxw7Q relevant to this channel at least 2013-08-28T15:31:30 < dongs> instead of this bullshit HAB talk 2013-08-28T15:31:52 <+Steffanx> BrainDamage , 1) because Laurenceb 2) because blurry unclear photo. 2013-08-28T15:33:06 < Laurenceb> dongs: but is it stm32 2013-08-28T15:33:20 < dongs> not tarduino for sure 2013-08-28T15:33:25 < Laurenceb> heh 2013-08-28T15:33:47 < dongs> https://youtube.com/watch?v=FbOkiwg0xxE 2013-08-28T15:33:50 < dongs> this is arduino 20x4 lcd 2013-08-28T15:33:52 <+Steffanx> Are you sure dongs? 2013-08-28T15:43:58 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGhVXgMoz4g 2013-08-28T15:44:37 <+Steffanx> from what i understand it's controller by a pc dongs.. 2013-08-28T15:44:38 <+Steffanx> not sure how. 2013-08-28T15:58:01 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/28/review_pimoroni_piglow_raspberry_pi_led_accessory/ 2013-08-28T15:59:01 <+Steffanx> wonderful. 2013-08-28T16:09:06 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-28T16:13:22 -!- dongs [~dongs@l212168.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-28T16:31:12 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T16:34:43 -!- dongs [~dongs@l212168.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T16:34:43 < dongs> what 2013-08-28T16:36:42 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/120712149404 ?? why 2013-08-28T16:36:53 < dongs> are those used for buttcoin or somethin 2013-08-28T16:40:06 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-28T16:40:47 < Laurenceb> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/missioncontrol.jpg 2013-08-28T16:40:54 < Laurenceb> trollin opportunity missed 2013-08-28T16:41:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T16:55:59 <+Steffanx> Why i read missiontroll.jpg? 2013-08-28T17:00:53 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T17:02:59 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-28T17:03:50 < Posterdati> I have a doubt on ADC CR2 EXTSEL/JEXTSEL of the stm32f107. Shall I put them to 0 when selecting SWSTART/JSWSTART? 2013-08-28T17:06:28 < zyp> hmm 2013-08-28T17:06:42 < zyp> dongs, you've done bga designs with 0.8mm pitch? 2013-08-28T17:06:50 < zyp> what kind of design rules do you use for that? 2013-08-28T17:07:02 < zyp> or even 0.75 2013-08-28T17:07:19 < dongs> lemme see, i think some tv junk i did was 0.8.. 2013-08-28T17:08:27 < dongs> looks like i used 10/16 vias 2013-08-28T17:08:34 < dongs> nd 4 mil traces. 2013-08-28T17:08:39 < dongs> tho 5 mil will work as well 2013-08-28T17:09:06 < zyp> 0.75mm is 29 mil or so 2013-08-28T17:09:18 < dongs> what is htat, pitch? 2013-08-28T17:09:24 < dongs> i only see a 0.8 board. 2013-08-28T17:10:01 < zyp> I'm looking at one 0.8-chip and one 0.75-chip 2013-08-28T17:10:16 < zyp> 0.8 is 31 mil 2013-08-28T17:10:23 < dongs> right 2013-08-28T17:10:40 < dongs> i only have 0.8, i used 10/16mil vias and 4mil trace. 2013-08-28T17:10:59 < zyp> and 4mil clearance? 2013-08-28T17:11:06 < dongs> well, 5/5 will work here. 2013-08-28T17:11:18 < dongs> actually my rules were 4/6 looks like 2013-08-28T17:11:31 < zyp> 16+5+2*5 = 31 2013-08-28T17:11:41 < zyp> so that's fine 2013-08-28T17:12:07 < zyp> 16+4+2*4 = 29, so 10/16 4/4 should be fine for 0.75 2013-08-28T17:12:27 < dongs> sure 2013-08-28T17:13:19 < zyp> smaller vias would allow larger widths/clearance, but that's probably more expensive? 2013-08-28T17:13:39 < dongs> 10/16 + 5/5 is still within standard spec i think 2013-08-28T17:14:04 < dongs> below 10mil is laser via and 20% up price or somethin like tht 2013-08-28T17:14:47 < zyp> but 4/4 is fine? 2013-08-28T17:15:55 < dongs> at halfoz yea 2013-08-28T17:16:00 < dongs> 1oz is 5/5 2013-08-28T17:16:17 < dongs> 4L is commonly 1/2oz top/bottom and 1oz in the middle 2013-08-28T17:17:16 < dongs> 0.2mm is min mechanical drill which is a bit smaller than 10mil 2013-08-28T17:17:36 < zyp> 0.8 or so 2013-08-28T17:17:37 < dongs> but anywy 10/16 is fine for via 2013-08-28T17:17:43 < zyp> uh, forget that 2013-08-28T17:17:43 < dongs> 16 is minimum ring anyway. 2013-08-28T17:17:54 < zyp> I see 2013-08-28T17:17:56 < dongs> 14.5 is "hard" minimum 2013-08-28T17:18:44 < dongs> so like 9/14.5mil via is ok but get bitched at. 2013-08-28T17:18:51 < dongs> if something is too close to it :p 2013-08-28T17:20:52 < dongs> what crazy shit are you making with 0.8 bga? 2013-08-28T17:21:34 < zyp> avr32+sram 2013-08-28T17:21:52 < dongs> llll 2013-08-28T17:22:21 < zyp> "this 144qfp is huge, can we make it smaller?" "well, there is a bga144" 2013-08-28T17:22:37 < dongs> if youre planning to do protos for that through me, you're paying full price for that :) 2013-08-28T17:22:43 < qyx_> lol 2013-08-28T17:23:01 < dongs> no freebies for aids32 2013-08-28T17:23:06 < zyp> :p 2013-08-28T17:23:24 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-9-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-28T17:23:31 < zyp> well, it'll probably be 6layer anyway 2013-08-28T17:23:36 < zyp> original design is 6layer 2013-08-28T17:23:41 < dongs> funtimes. 2013-08-28T17:23:47 < zyp> and I don't really want to assemble it myself 2013-08-28T17:25:29 < dongs> is this workshit? 2013-08-28T17:25:39 < dongs> dont they have prototype+assembly contractors? 2013-08-28T17:25:59 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-08-28T17:30:46 < zyp> dongs, exactly 2013-08-28T17:31:06 < dongs> so ask them for minspecs :) 2013-08-28T17:31:54 < zyp> I tried, didn't get a sane answer 2013-08-28T17:33:02 < dongs> zyp, remember off hand what's GTS on xilinx cpld? 2013-08-28T17:33:05 < dongs> global .. .. 2013-08-28T17:33:10 < dongs> i know gck is glboal clock net 2013-08-28T17:33:42 < dongs> oh tristate 2013-08-28T17:33:47 < zyp> ah, yeah 2013-08-28T17:33:55 < zyp> and then there was a global reset to IIRC 2013-08-28T17:34:00 < dongs> right 2013-08-28T17:34:00 < zyp> too* 2013-08-28T17:36:12 < dongs> GTS sounds like output sh it 2013-08-28T17:36:15 < dongs> i dont need that. 2013-08-28T17:37:42 < zyp> oh, by the way, how much would I have to pay you to assemble a batch of boards if I figure I want to sell one of my hobby designs? 2013-08-28T17:38:45 < zyp> would you be interested at all? 2013-08-28T17:38:47 < dongs> depends on complexity and who does it, if its *me* we can figure something out as long as you pay costs, if its proper place that does higher volume asm its like 250-ish for initial cost + whatever per unit. 2013-08-28T17:39:45 < dongs> that TTM place can do pcba as well 2013-08-28T17:40:41 < zyp> with wave soldering or something for PTH too? 2013-08-28T17:41:51 < dongs> i'd have to ask. small qty will likely get hand soldered. 2013-08-28T17:42:06 < dongs> larger shit might need a jig or something to cover up the parts 2013-08-28T17:42:37 < zyp> I'm thinking about something like the last board I sent you, with the xh connectors 2013-08-28T17:42:57 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-67-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T17:45:06 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-28T17:45:29 < talsit> dongs, what local low-volume assembly places would you recommend? 2013-08-28T17:45:36 < dongs> talsit: none for you, asshole 2013-08-28T17:45:44 < talsit> why not? 2013-08-28T17:46:07 < dongs> zyp: i can ask what the moq is to get proper wave soldering. 2013-08-28T17:46:19 < zyp> sure, would be fun to know 2013-08-28T17:46:28 < dongs> i've had ~200 shits done before and those got hand-done for pth parts. 2013-08-28T17:46:35 < zyp> ah 2013-08-28T17:46:48 < zyp> well, hand or wave doesn't matter, it's the price that does 2013-08-28T17:47:04 < dongs> sure, that doesnt matter. 2013-08-28T17:47:16 < dongs> it doesnt make it that much more. 2013-08-28T17:48:36 < dongs> Not much heh 2013-08-28T17:48:41 < dongs> ^ hand soldering. 2013-08-28T17:48:56 < zyp> not sure I really want to deal with selling and shipping and support shit though 2013-08-28T17:49:24 < dongs> if its like 100+ shits, and you dont give a fuck about quality/whatever just get shitstudio todo it for you 2013-08-28T17:49:29 < dongs> i think thier propagate shit is 100moq 2013-08-28T17:49:36 < dongs> and theyt'll sell it for you etc. 2013-08-28T17:50:58 < zyp> hmm, thats probably also a possibility 2013-08-28T17:51:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T17:51:58 < dongs> propagate dat aids 2013-08-28T17:52:02 < dongs> or hell just dickstart it 2013-08-28T17:52:10 < dongs> then you can stsart rolling in cash 2013-08-28T17:52:14 < dongs> before even delivering anything 2013-08-28T17:52:18 < dongs> how's blade RF? 2013-08-28T17:52:20 < dongs> got yours yet? 2013-08-28T17:52:23 < zyp> yep 2013-08-28T17:52:24 < dongs> does it do anything useful? :) 2013-08-28T17:52:36 < Laurenceb> propogate: sounds like aids cuz it is 2013-08-28T17:52:52 < zyp> after I figured out how to load the fpga image, it blinks some leds 2013-08-28T17:53:29 < zyp> haven't bothered looking at what kind of sdr software stuff I need to use it 2013-08-28T17:53:42 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/394441/posts/558499/image-302974-full.jpg?1375518802 2013-08-28T17:53:46 < dongs> wut 2013-08-28T17:54:04 < zyp> hah 2013-08-28T17:54:25 < dongs> Below is a picture of the first ever SDR-UAV application! It doesn't yet fly, but the bladeRF in headless mode coupled with the GPIO board seems to have problems controlling PWM hobby RC servos and motors. Anyone with expertise or anyone who is interested in modern and/or robust controls please contact Rob ( robert.ghilduta@nuand.com ). 2013-08-28T17:54:31 < dongs> sounds like time for zyp to get hired 2013-08-28T17:55:02 < Laurenceb> now if they implemented synthetic aperture radar... 2013-08-28T17:55:14 < dongs> SARS 2013-08-28T17:55:21 < Laurenceb> haha 2013-08-28T17:56:25 < emeb_mac> it all comes back to diseases 2013-08-28T17:56:31 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T17:58:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-189200.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T18:03:47 < dongs> sleepytime 2013-08-28T18:04:09 < emeb_mac> unsleepytime 2013-08-28T18:07:58 <+Steffanx> Have fun. 2013-08-28T18:16:59 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T18:17:00 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-28T18:20:53 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@85.sub-75-233-253.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T18:21:48 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-28T18:33:50 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@dslb-178-004-025-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-28T18:54:47 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-08-28T18:55:52 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-28T18:58:27 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T19:00:37 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T19:02:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-28T19:12:50 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-28T19:25:12 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T19:28:55 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.38.251] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T19:28:56 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar] by ChanServ 2013-08-28T20:15:54 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@85.sub-75-233-253.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-28T20:27:52 < karlp> hrmm, got the usb_cdcacm demo for l1 to register in dmesg once, but not again. 2013-08-28T20:29:34 -!- CoolBear_ [~hightower@ti0069a380-0456.bb.online.no] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T20:29:44 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.28.62] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T20:29:47 -!- mode/##stm32 [+v dekar_] by ChanServ 2013-08-28T20:30:38 -!- CoolBear [~hightower@ti0069a380-0828.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-28T20:31:41 < karlp> I see why it's nice to have software controllable pullups and buttons to disconnect usb cables now. 2013-08-28T20:33:10 -!- dekar [~dekar@212.255.38.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-28T20:34:11 < emeb> heh 2013-08-28T20:39:05 < karlp> I put the pullup wired on permanently because, "when it's plugged in it should work right?!" :) 2013-08-28T20:39:58 < zyp> you want to be sure the host knows that your firmware has reset ;) 2013-08-28T20:40:33 < zyp> hardwiring the pullup implies that your firmware will never reset on it's own 2013-08-28T20:42:02 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T20:45:10 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-28T20:45:42 < karlp> yeah, like, for instance, when I'm flashing new firmware to it and it's powered by usb :) 2013-08-28T20:47:32 < karlp> it means now I have to flash it, disconnect it and reconnect it to try it out. 2013-08-28T20:53:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-28T20:54:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T20:56:39 < karlp> do you know what the delay is for here? https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/f1/stm32-h103/usb_cdcacm/cdcacm.c#L252 2013-08-28T20:58:13 < emeb> to give the compiler something to optimize away? 2013-08-28T21:02:12 < emeb> That code is designed to run on an Olimex STM32-H103 board. C11 is the "DISC" signal. When asserted it disables the pullup. 2013-08-28T21:02:55 < emeb> so it's asserting at startup, configuring the internal USB device, then delaying a bit and deasserting to enable the pullup. 2013-08-28T21:05:35 < karlp> I just need to run that first init asap then on plug in right? 2013-08-28T21:06:07 < emeb> right 2013-08-28T21:06:36 < emeb> if you don't set C11 then the USB pullup is default enabled and the host will try to enumerate you before you're ready. 2013-08-28T21:07:40 < emeb> although - I don't know the USB spec at all. there may be a built-in delay to give you time to set up before the query comes along. 2013-08-28T21:08:05 < emeb> devices with the pullup always on seem to work OK. 2013-08-28T21:08:54 < emeb> but toggling C11/DISC at reset at least gets you re-enumerated rather than letting the host go along as if nothing changed. 2013-08-28T21:13:24 < karlp> hrmm, took out the delay, but not getting it in dmesg again. 2013-08-28T21:15:11 < karlp> oh ffs, must have been dodgy solder on the microusb, 2013-08-28T21:15:16 < karlp> jiggle it and it comes on and off all the time now. 2013-08-28T21:15:59 < karlp> I wonder how long the software was working then :) 2013-08-28T21:20:44 -!- CoolBear_ is now known as CoolBear 2013-08-28T21:25:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-189200.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-28T21:25:34 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-189200.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T21:33:10 * izzy84075 scratches head... Why is stm32f30x_conf.h not included anywhere except in the example projects, in the F3 Discovery FW package? I can see that you might not want to include all of them all the time, but they could at least provide one without digging into the example projects... 2013-08-28T21:33:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-189200.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T21:33:24 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-189200.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-28T21:55:04 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T22:05:48 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-176114.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T22:09:50 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-189200.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-28T22:18:11 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T22:18:59 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-176114.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T22:18:59 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-176114.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-28T22:27:03 < jpa-> awww so cute http://hackaday.com/2013/08/28/a-one-third-scale-macintosh/ 2013-08-28T22:28:28 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-28T22:34:22 <+Steffanx> Yes you are jpa- 2013-08-28T22:42:55 -!- DanteA [~X@host-17-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-28T22:47:59 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T22:50:24 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-150-121-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T23:20:21 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-150-121-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-28T23:25:51 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-28T23:26:16 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@146.sub-75-233-99.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-28T23:27:34 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-28T23:41:16 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-28T23:53:44 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Thu Aug 29 2013 2013-08-29T00:24:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-176114.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-29T00:26:22 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-29T00:27:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-176114.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T00:28:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-176114.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-29T00:28:38 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-176114.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T00:29:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-176114.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-29T00:30:06 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-29T00:31:16 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-146-224.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-29T00:37:28 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@146.sub-75-233-99.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2013-08-29T00:38:01 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-29T00:51:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T01:14:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-29T01:17:22 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T01:18:09 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-29T01:19:08 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T01:33:22 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 269 seconds] 2013-08-29T01:33:35 -!- gsmcmullin [~gareth@122-62-149-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T01:58:57 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNRDc714W5I&feature=player_embedded 2013-08-29T01:59:02 < Laurenceb_> remote fapping coming soon 2013-08-29T02:00:45 < qyx_> don't you know where to get that metal tape used on special purpose cables as a shielding? 2013-08-29T02:01:12 < qyx_> it can be found eg. in lvds cable assemblies in notebooks 2013-08-29T02:03:51 < Laurenceb_> farnell 2013-08-29T02:09:28 < qyx_> trying to find it 2013-08-29T02:15:26 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-29T02:18:39 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T02:44:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T02:52:00 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-29T02:54:01 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T02:55:37 < qyx_> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Sharp-Microelectronics/LS013B7DH01/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduhWhdga2DBIvx9I1HRGIQxzXtJMdvvh%2f55%252b1l2wyOQYUA%3d%3d 2013-08-29T02:55:38 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@bas1-london15-2925075675.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T02:56:13 < qyx_> nice, this seems to be used on pebble, 15uW power consumption 2013-08-29T02:59:52 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-29T03:02:00 * emeb rages at Mouser's stupid web design that subsequently forces me to the UK site if I ever click on a UK Mouser link. 2013-08-29T03:02:19 < emeb> and resets the currency to UKP, etc. 2013-08-29T03:06:34 < dongs> sup dicks 2013-08-29T03:06:35 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-29T03:06:37 < dongs> i fucking hate that 2013-08-29T03:07:02 < dongs> basically fuck mouser because of that 2013-08-29T03:07:06 < emeb> ya 2013-08-29T03:07:22 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-29T03:11:55 * Simon-- posts a ca digikey link 2013-08-29T03:18:12 -!- DaKu is now known as daku 2013-08-29T03:18:18 -!- daku is now known as DaKu 2013-08-29T03:32:55 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-29T03:44:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T03:45:43 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T04:03:41 < dongs> http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/28/nintendo-announces-2ds da fuq. not even april 1st 2013-08-29T04:13:07 < upgrdman> anyone know of SMD battery clips for AA's or 18650's? 2013-08-29T04:13:27 < emeb> seems like structurally a bad idea. 2013-08-29T04:13:45 < dongs> lol 2013-08-29T04:13:53 < emeb> spring tension would rip them off the board unless there was a frame linking the two contacts. 2013-08-29T04:14:06 < dongs> and shit would never reflow pr operly 2013-08-29T04:14:09 < dongs> if it was a solid chunk of metal 2013-08-29T04:14:21 < upgrdman> :( my dreams, crushed 2013-08-29T04:14:44 < emeb> reality bites 2013-08-29T04:14:44 -!- TeknoJuce01 is now known as TeknoJuce 2013-08-29T04:15:14 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@bas1-london15-2925075675.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-29T04:15:14 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T04:20:13 < emeb> that being said: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/1022/1022K-ND/2137859 2013-08-29T04:20:33 < emeb> if you don't mind a plastic frame that holds the whole thing together. 2013-08-29T04:20:39 < upgrdman> also just found http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/215/M60p8-29975.pdf 2013-08-29T04:21:25 < emeb> earlier concerns apply here 2013-08-29T04:22:00 < upgrdman> ya 2013-08-29T04:49:35 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-29T04:52:33 < upgrdman> are there any LDOs like the 1117 or similar (very common and cheap) that have a VERY small LDO, like maybe .1 or .2V? 2013-08-29T04:54:11 < upgrdman> err "VERY small dropout" 2013-08-29T04:56:54 < dongs> digikey allows sorting by dropout. 2013-08-29T04:57:23 < qyx_> farnell has 407 ldo's with dropout <0.1V 2013-08-29T04:58:04 < GargantuaSauce> micrel just came out with a line of them too iirc 2013-08-29T04:59:58 < upgrdman> but of course, parametric search. theres fuck tons of em. thanks guys 2013-08-29T05:00:40 < dongs> les see what i used in my high-quality linear supply 2013-08-29T05:00:56 < dongs> LP3855-ADJ 2013-08-29T05:02:12 < qyx_> speaking of parametric search, its time to find some nice small power supply input connectors with >5A capability 2013-08-29T05:44:21 < emeb> http://t.co/xfec6ms8WM 2013-08-29T05:45:51 < dongs> haha 2013-08-29T05:45:59 < dongs> i got some cypress internal warez about the asi receiver 2013-08-29T05:46:05 < dongs> training module or omething 2013-08-29T05:46:15 < dongs> '"An FYI slide, don’t worry about the hows etc, just escalate anything to do with channel bonding. 2013-08-29T05:46:18 < dongs> " 2013-08-29T05:47:58 < dongs> Channel bonding is messy and causes the datasheet to be convoluted. ESCALATE! 2013-08-29T06:00:00 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T06:02:32 < dongs> haha 2013-08-29T06:02:33 < dongs> "Escalate. With this model someone can copy our chip. Only given out to special customers. 2013-08-29T06:05:42 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/8zXphk0.jpg 2013-08-29T06:06:37 < dongs> nice rf shields 2013-08-29T06:06:54 < dongs> why the fuck do the corners of board look warped 2013-08-29T06:07:00 < dongs> is the shield attached using some epoxy or osmething weird 2013-08-29T06:07:14 < talsit> it's the shadow 2013-08-29T06:07:34 < dongs> no negro, it looks ilek e poxy 2013-08-29T06:07:47 < dongs> look at bottom right board 2013-08-29T06:07:48 < R2COM> well yes theres epoxy around metal cap 2013-08-29T06:07:53 < dongs> thre's drops on top of the metal 2013-08-29T06:08:00 < dongs> TOLDYA 2013-08-29T06:08:34 < dongs> speaking of fail 2013-08-29T06:08:35 < talsit> corners of the board or the shield? 2013-08-29T06:08:48 < dongs> http://www.wayengineer.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4747 china cloned this trash finally 2013-08-29T06:09:08 < R2COM> corners of shield and some of board might be too 2013-08-29T06:09:28 < englishman> they've had that for a while? the 8ch is $8 shipped 2013-08-29T06:09:36 < dongs> not 16 2013-08-29T06:09:38 < dongs> thats new since like july 2013-08-29T06:09:43 < dongs> i know the 8 shit has been around 2013-08-29T06:09:46 < talsit> the 16 is totally different hardware 2013-08-29T06:09:47 < englishman> hmm i saw that a month ago 2013-08-29T06:09:49 < dongs> for $45 it might be worth it 2013-08-29T06:09:52 < englishman> oh july ok 2013-08-29T06:09:53 < dongs> buit not $199 2013-08-29T06:09:56 < dongs> software is garbage 2013-08-29T06:10:00 < englishman> agreed 2013-08-29T06:10:14 < englishman> what about usbee 2013-08-29T06:10:16 < R2COM> haha 2013-08-29T06:10:17 < englishman> clone 2013-08-29T06:10:19 < R2COM> nice nice 2013-08-29T06:10:29 < dongs> usbee software is horrible too 2013-08-29T06:10:42 < dongs> i have thier $999 DX clone 2013-08-29T06:10:46 < dongs> ReadError does too i think 2013-08-29T06:10:51 < dongs> which cost liek $60-70 or so 2013-08-29T06:10:57 < dongs> completely useless shit 2013-08-29T06:11:02 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-08-29T06:11:04 < R2COM> maybe useless because its clone? 2013-08-29T06:11:08 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T06:11:11 < dongs> its liek a usb hub, saleaelogic8 on one port, and shitty adc + fx2 on another 2013-08-29T06:11:20 < dongs> R2COM: no, useless because real one is same 2013-08-29T06:11:28 < dongs> but you can't bitch about it after you paid $1k 2013-08-29T06:11:39 < dongs> http://www.usbee.com/dx.html 2013-08-29T06:11:41 < dongs> this is fucking trash. 2013-08-29T06:11:58 < R2COM> well if I am correct it was done by bunch of guys or am I wrong? 2013-08-29T06:12:08 < R2COM> its not like its been done by HP/Agilent engineers or something 2013-08-29T06:12:13 < R2COM> what else you expect it to be? 2013-08-29T06:12:22 < dongs> for $999 i expect shit not to be garbage 2013-08-29T06:12:38 < R2COM> well. look at the one who makes shit and then make decision 2013-08-29T06:12:45 < R2COM> anyone can make up trash and sell for $$ 2013-08-29T06:12:57 < talsit> it's $1495 2013-08-29T06:13:02 < dongs> jebus 2013-08-29T06:13:19 < talsit> the dx is 16 channels 2013-08-29T06:13:24 < R2COM> one thing I dont quite get is wtf chinese copying this? lol 2013-08-29T06:13:35 < talsit> the zx is 8 channels, $495 2013-08-29T06:14:31 < R2COM> wait that stuff is 299$ on their website? 2013-08-29T06:14:47 < R2COM> http://www.saleae.com/logic16 2013-08-29T06:15:01 < dongs> yes 2013-08-29T06:15:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/BRimvmP.jpg here's USBeeDX 2013-08-29T06:15:31 < dongs> $1500 2013-08-29T06:15:32 < talsit> what's the "best" 8 channel LA for around $200? 2013-08-29T06:15:49 < dongs> BOM: USB hub, ez-usb fx2 * 2, 2 crappy ADCs, LM1117 2013-08-29T06:16:01 < R2COM> that board for 1500$ ?? 2013-08-29T06:16:01 < emeb> an old agilent/HP off ebay? 2013-08-29T06:16:03 < R2COM> really? 2013-08-29T06:16:12 < dongs> 16channels of logic goes direcly to fx2 2013-08-29T06:16:25 < dongs> then 2 shit 8bit adcs go to the other one 2013-08-29T06:16:26 < dongs> done 2013-08-29T06:16:48 < R2COM> so why did you pay for it 1500$? 2013-08-29T06:16:50 < talsit> that's what you bought? 2013-08-29T06:16:59 < dongs> no, i bought the $70 chinaclone 2013-08-29T06:17:03 < dongs> and it isnt even worth that 2013-08-29T06:18:30 < R2COM> haha 2013-08-29T06:18:48 < R2COM> whats those bnc connectors for? 2013-08-29T06:18:53 < dongs> thats teh scope 2013-08-29T06:18:55 < dongs> ADC 2013-08-29T06:19:06 < R2COM> so its a scope and LA in one board? 2013-08-29T06:19:11 < dongs> TLC5510I 2013-08-29T06:19:11 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-29T06:19:20 < dongs> its just 2 usb devices on a hub 2013-08-29T06:19:23 < dongs> 2 ez-usb fx2s 2013-08-29T06:19:26 < R2COM> show me link to original product 2013-08-29T06:19:40 < dongs> http://www.usbee.com/dx.html 2013-08-29T06:19:42 < dongs> this 2013-08-29T06:19:48 < emeb> oh lord. 2013-08-29T06:19:51 < emeb> how cheesy 2013-08-29T06:20:10 < dongs> lemme see if someone teardown teh original 2013-08-29T06:20:13 < dongs> lol @ google images for usbee dx 2013-08-29T06:20:15 < R2COM> "USB Based Electrical Engineer" 2013-08-29T06:20:16 < dongs> all the pics of china clones 2013-08-29T06:20:42 < dongs> http://mikechrisco.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/b/be/Usbee.jpg/300px-Usbee.jpg 2013-08-29T06:20:55 < R2COM> the board you showed has long inductors, but box on original page looks kinda slim, how would those fit? 2013-08-29T06:20:59 < R2COM> or chinese changed components 2013-08-29T06:21:07 < dongs> what inductors? 2013-08-29T06:21:11 < R2COM> err 2013-08-29T06:21:13 < R2COM> capacitors 2013-08-29T06:21:14 < dongs> those are just caps 2013-08-29T06:21:21 < dongs> yeah well, why would china use 47uF SMD cap 2013-08-29T06:21:27 < dongs> when they can use 47uF hugecap 2013-08-29T06:21:42 < R2COM> so its copying with modification 2013-08-29T06:22:03 < dongs> i mean they're obviosuly not going for size here, entire board made with 0805 parts 2013-08-29T06:22:44 < R2COM> well the thing is I guess making logic analyzer on that level - Selae,clones, chinese shit etc... is *not* hard 2013-08-29T06:23:06 < dongs> of course not. its just fx2 directly sampling signal 2013-08-29T06:23:14 < dongs> no buffering or anythign 2013-08-29T06:24:21 < R2COM> how about doing copy of this: http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-811710-pn-16901A/2-slot-modular-logic-analyzer?nid=-536902505.383461&cc=US&lc=eng 2013-08-29T06:24:53 < R2COM> 3rd pic kinda...tells me something 2013-08-29T06:26:24 < dongs> why is zombie female touching a screen 2013-08-29T06:26:39 < dongs> man she totally loosk zombie 2013-08-29T06:26:40 < dongs> dunno why 2013-08-29T06:26:42 < dongs> maybe the lighting 2013-08-29T06:27:53 < dongs> R2COM: those fx2's come in 56csp bga or so 2013-08-29T06:27:58 < dongs> usb hub is small already 2013-08-29T06:28:07 < dongs> so its quite poissible to have that clone shit into the size of DX. 2013-08-29T06:28:19 < R2COM> maybe but why 2013-08-29T06:28:25 < R2COM> who cares about that trash 2013-08-29T06:28:31 < R2COM> whether its small or big 2013-08-29T06:29:57 < dongs> aye, if software is shit it doesnt matter 2013-08-29T06:33:52 < dongs> anyway, i will probly pickup that logic16 clone 2013-08-29T06:34:03 < dongs> or not, i dont realsly need 2013-08-29T06:34:09 < dongs> maybe if im getting some other crap from there. 2013-08-29T06:34:34 < R2COM> use the Rigols LA feature in one of its scopes? 2013-08-29T06:34:43 < R2COM> I have it available to me, just didnt play with it yet 2013-08-29T06:34:54 < dongs> i have a proper LA thaT I use 2013-08-29T06:34:56 < dongs> with great softwarea 2013-08-29T06:35:03 < dongs> i sometimes use i2c decoder on my tek 2013-08-29T06:35:15 < dongs> when im too lazy to hookup proper shit or when I just need to quickly check stuff 2013-08-29T06:35:29 < dongs> never used the shit on rigol 2013-08-29T06:35:54 < R2COM> which proper LA you have 2013-08-29T06:36:23 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-29T06:36:32 < dongs> TL2136B from http://www.acute.com.tw/product/la.php 2013-08-29T06:37:19 < dongs> it has like ~30 decoders for just about anything 2013-08-29T06:37:34 < dongs> and support people reply within few minutes to any questions 2013-08-29T06:37:39 < dongs> and fix bugs in decode modules etc. 2013-08-29T06:37:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-29T06:38:06 < R2COM> how much does that one cost? 2013-08-29T06:38:17 < dongs> should be around < 2k 2013-08-29T06:38:24 < dongs> i forgot waht i paid for mine, i bought it in jp 2013-08-29T06:38:26 < dongs> and got ripped off 2013-08-29T06:38:28 < R2COM> so like selae then? 2013-08-29T06:38:34 < dongs> no. 2013-08-29T06:38:41 < dongs> its proper stuff. 2013-08-29T06:38:41 < R2COM> err 2013-08-29T06:38:43 < R2COM> like usbee 2013-08-29T06:38:47 < R2COM> in terms of price 2013-08-29T06:38:50 < dongs> yeah 2013-08-29T06:38:55 < dongs> but actually works properly 2013-08-29T06:39:12 < R2COM> what problems were with usbee clone? 2013-08-29T06:39:15 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T06:39:23 < dongs> totally shit software 2013-08-29T06:39:39 < R2COM> like hangs... shows wrong result, loads long or what 2013-08-29T06:39:46 < dongs> no, just useless 2013-08-29T06:40:07 < dongs> hard to use, doesn't decode anything useful, just buggy in general. 2013-08-29T06:40:14 < dongs> plus the fact that you can onyl capture like ~12mhz shit max 2013-08-29T06:40:17 < dongs> (hardware limitation) 2013-08-29T06:40:19 < dongs> so ... 2013-08-29T06:40:26 < dongs> its maybe only useful for like slow boring shit. 2013-08-29T06:40:49 < dongs> i tried to use it as signal ge nerator 2013-08-29T06:40:49 < R2COM> acute, Taiwaneese company? 2013-08-29T06:40:57 < dongs> that shit was fucking horrible too (usbeedx) 2013-08-29T06:41:55 < R2COM> well yeah acute is Taiwan 2013-08-29T06:43:00 < R2COM> wonder whose probes they are using 2013-08-29T06:43:04 < R2COM> or fabbing own.. 2013-08-29T06:43:21 < dongs> hm? acutes? 2013-08-29T06:43:29 < dongs> they're TPI nano clips and just regular bigger pitch stuff 2013-08-29T06:43:39 < dongs> could be also tpi 2013-08-29T06:43:47 < dongs> EZ-HOOK 2013-08-29T06:43:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T06:44:10 < dongs> http://sigrok.org/wiki/Probe_comparison 2013-08-29T06:44:14 < dongs> pics there under ez-hook 2013-08-29T06:44:28 < dongs> http://sigrok.org/w/images/9/95/Probes_ezhook.jpg 2013-08-29T06:44:36 < dongs> and TPI nano-clips for small shit 2013-08-29T06:44:56 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/surface-mount-test-clips/16177 2013-08-29T06:46:01 < dongs> nano will clip pin to pin on 0.65mm pitch 2013-08-29T06:46:05 < dongs> and I think staggered on 0.5pitch 2013-08-29T06:47:56 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-29T06:48:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-29T06:49:13 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T06:51:11 -!- DanteA [~X@host-68-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T07:02:16 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.104] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T07:02:38 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-29T07:02:47 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T07:03:02 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-29T07:06:58 -!- GargantuaSauce [~sauce@blk-252-19-214.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T07:08:04 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.17] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T07:10:24 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-29T07:10:26 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T07:13:20 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-67-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-29T07:33:47 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-38-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T07:49:37 -!- Intelaida [4d48784e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.72.120.78] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T07:53:40 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.179] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T07:56:07 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-29T08:01:05 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.104] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-29T08:04:03 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.104] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T08:26:42 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T08:30:30 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has quit [Client Quit] 2013-08-29T08:38:57 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T08:39:32 < R2COM> so which clip can be attached to 0.5mm pitch? 2013-08-29T08:39:37 < R2COM> none of those above 2013-08-29T08:39:43 < R2COM> are there such clips available? 2013-08-29T08:39:48 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T08:40:06 < R2COM> http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-1000000261%3Aepsg%3Apro-pn-10075A/05-mm-ic-clip-kit-for-the-10070-series-of-probes?&cc=US&lc=eng 2013-08-29T08:40:55 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@194.176.111.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-29T08:41:49 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T08:44:46 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-29T08:46:33 < dongs> R2COM: nanoclips will do 2013-08-29T08:46:46 < dongs> ohh 2013-08-29T08:46:47 < dongs> nice price 2013-08-29T08:47:03 < emeb_mac> them are tiny! and $$ 2013-08-29T08:47:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-29T08:49:03 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T08:49:14 < dongs> emeb got too excited at the clips 2013-08-29T08:49:45 < dongs> im gonna retweet those to a guy who just bought the legit logic16 yesterday because "my company could get in trouble if I buy cloned china version" 2013-08-29T08:49:52 < dongs> he'll just add htem to cart im sure 2013-08-29T08:51:28 < emeb_mac> apparently money is no object for some 2013-08-29T08:52:18 < dongs> i would have no problem paying $200 for logic16 if software wasn't total shit 2013-08-29T08:55:48 < emeb_mac> but would you pay $267 for a pair of fine-pitch probe clips? 2013-08-29T08:55:56 < dongs> 4 2013-08-29T08:56:55 < emeb_mac> right 2013-08-29T09:04:08 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 2013-08-29T09:04:32 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T09:34:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T09:40:59 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-29T09:42:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-29T09:50:29 < R2COM> TPI nano clip? 2013-08-29T09:51:53 < R2COM> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/NC2BR/290-1096-ND/299978?cur=USD 2013-08-29T09:52:14 < R2COM> you sure that shit can be hooked to 0.5mm tqfp? 2013-08-29T09:52:17 < R2COM> doesnt look like it 2013-08-29T09:56:31 < R2COM> Can access 0.3mm & 1.27mm 2013-08-29T09:56:32 < R2COM> ooh 2013-08-29T09:56:39 < R2COM> really? 0.3mm pitch? 2013-08-29T09:57:47 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-29T09:58:08 < R2COM> according to the mecahnical drawing it shouldnt work... 2013-08-29T09:58:21 < R2COM> distance between alligator clips is 0.64mm 2013-08-29T09:58:38 < R2COM> how the fuck is it capturing pin with 0.3mm distance to neighbour pin?> 2013-08-29T10:01:33 < dongs> i hve those and i've hooked 0.65mm and 0.5mm pitch stuff 2013-08-29T10:01:49 < dongs> i dont think you can do pin to pin on 0.5 2013-08-29T10:02:02 < dongs> you'd need to stagger them 2013-08-29T10:02:08 < dongs> like clip one on top, one on bottom 2013-08-29T10:02:31 < R2COM> and then be careful so they dont touch each other.. 2013-08-29T10:02:41 < dongs> well, they wont if you stagger 2013-08-29T10:02:53 < dongs> its not much of a problem because the outer shell is insulated. 2013-08-29T10:02:59 < dongs> so is outside of grabbers, i think 2013-08-29T10:03:10 < dongs> i had the stuff where they were more or less touching visibly but was still not shorted 2013-08-29T10:04:57 < R2COM> you hooked it to stm32 tqfp100 package? 2013-08-29T10:07:13 < dongs> no, but i dont need to 2013-08-29T10:09:06 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T10:09:14 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T10:14:05 < R2COM> hm 2013-08-29T10:14:10 < R2COM> is QFP304 pin is common? 2013-08-29T10:14:15 < R2COM> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sega_304-pin_QFP.jpg 2013-08-29T10:16:35 < dongs> wut no 2013-08-29T10:16:37 < dongs> looks like useless shit 2013-08-29T10:29:44 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-29T10:30:16 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T10:44:35 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-29T10:49:01 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-29T10:51:44 -!- orhan89 [~orhan89@167.205.22.104] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-29T11:00:38 < dongs> motherfucker 2013-08-29T11:00:45 < dongs> im going to fucking write something that filters out winkey-D 2013-08-29T11:03:12 < jpa-> why? 2013-08-29T11:03:42 < jpa-> just press win-D again and it undoes 2013-08-29T11:03:52 < dongs> it fucks all zorder 2013-08-29T11:05:03 < jpa-> not for me 2013-08-29T11:05:13 < dongs> i dont use lunix, so i have more than 1 window open 2013-08-29T11:05:18 < dongs> try having ~20-30 windows open 2013-08-29T11:05:22 < dongs> and hit that garbage. 2013-08-29T11:05:48 < jpa-> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2004/09/09/227339.aspx maybe you get hit by this 2013-08-29T11:06:09 < dongs> and actually if my intention was to do win-r (as it most likely is) , hitting win-d and then getting -r will show the run dialog, after minimizing al lteh fuckingw indows. 2013-08-29T11:06:18 < dongs> and win-d again will just toggle the run dialog instead of restoring al lteh windows. 2013-08-29T11:06:22 < dongs> so its a fail eitehr wayt. 2013-08-29T11:06:46 < dongs> i dont give a fuck about the order 2013-08-29T11:06:49 < dongs> I dont want this happening period. 2013-08-29T11:07:00 < jpa-> ah, yeah 2013-08-29T11:07:22 < jpa-> in linux it is easy enough to disable.. let's see if there is a setting in windows 2013-08-29T11:08:13 < jpa-> maybe not 2013-08-29T11:22:05 < qyx_> i assume that normal operating systems have defineable global shortcuts for window management 2013-08-29T11:22:49 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T11:23:41 < jpa-> well there are some closed sores ones that don't let users modfiy the operation of the system 2013-08-29T11:39:09 < zyp> don't look at OS X, it has easy rebinding of both global and local shortcuts 2013-08-29T11:51:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T12:03:42 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-38-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-29T12:09:20 < alexn> sqrt() give me undefine refernce. 2013-08-29T12:12:19 < alexn> how can i use the sqrt function? 2013-08-29T12:16:59 < alexn> problem solved 2013-08-29T12:17:01 < alexn> :-) 2013-08-29T12:17:15 < alexn> need LDFLAGS += -lm 2013-08-29T12:17:27 < alexn> then sqrt works 2013-08-29T12:38:13 < dongs> lunix math 2013-08-29T12:50:33 <+Steffanx> what does dongs link with? 2013-08-29T12:52:05 <+Steffanx> or does keil do that all for you? 2013-08-29T12:56:26 < jpa-> obviously 2013-08-29T12:56:34 < jpa-> he just presses a button and the program is complete 2013-08-29T12:59:25 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-29T13:02:55 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T13:23:36 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-29-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T13:29:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/j8vjNDX.png single sided and 2layer, exciting times ahead 2013-08-29T13:31:15 < zyp> hah 2013-08-29T13:31:34 < zyp> interesting how vcc and gnd are interleaved in the center 2013-08-29T13:31:51 < zyp> or is that a different ground? 2013-08-29T13:32:01 < zyp> the purple ones? 2013-08-29T13:50:20 < dongs> purple is 1.2v 2013-08-29T13:50:23 < dongs> pink is 3.3 2013-08-29T13:50:27 < dongs> blue is gnd 2013-08-29T13:51:19 < zyp> ah, right 2013-08-29T13:51:32 < zyp> this some fpga? 2013-08-29T13:51:36 < dongs> ya 2013-08-29T13:51:40 < dongs> xc3s200an 2013-08-29T13:51:46 < dongs> i only need like 16 IO from it 2013-08-29T13:51:46 < dongs> heh 2013-08-29T13:51:51 < zyp> hah 2013-08-29T13:51:59 < zyp> what are you gonna use it for? 2013-08-29T13:51:59 < dongs> fucking waste 2013-08-29T13:52:08 < dongs> nothing, testing some code that will end up on cpld later. 2013-08-29T13:52:14 < zyp> … 2013-08-29T13:52:15 < karlp> install bitcoin mining backdoors! 2013-08-29T13:52:21 < dongs> yep 2013-08-29T13:52:25 < dongs> the code is gonna be like ~100 lines max. 2013-08-29T13:52:31 < dongs> but: i have 3 of these chips that I bought long time ago 2013-08-29T13:52:36 < dongs> and this is a prototype anyway 2013-08-29T13:52:47 < karlp> make sure that if anyone togles the konami code on unused pins it does omething magical 2013-08-29T13:52:48 < dongs> so i might as well use the m 2013-08-29T13:53:17 < dongs> the end result will probly fit into coolrunner128 or so 2013-08-29T13:55:45 < dongs> the only magical thing my verilog skills can do is crash it 2013-08-29T13:56:03 < dongs> i saw someone selling these on shitbay, tehy must be useful for buttcoin mining 2013-08-29T13:57:23 < zyp> probably not 2013-08-29T13:57:45 < dongs> what do buttcoiners mine on? ZYNC? 2013-08-29T13:57:51 < dongs> or like virtex7 2013-08-29T13:58:03 < zyp> I remember seeing some bitcoin fpga boards once, they had four spartan 6 LX150s 2013-08-29T13:58:30 < dongs> in tqfp 2013-08-29T13:59:02 < zyp> sure, for bitcoin, IO is not important, just the number of LEs 2013-08-29T13:59:27 < zyp> LX150 is pretty expensive 2013-08-29T14:05:36 < dongs> i think these 200ANs were liek 10-17ea 2013-08-29T14:05:37 < dongs> or osmeshit 2013-08-29T14:05:38 < dongs> i duno 2013-08-29T14:06:08 < zyp> I think LX150 are $150 or something 2013-08-29T14:06:10 < zyp> maybe more 2013-08-29T14:06:22 < dongs> lol wtf 2013-08-29T14:06:55 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XC6SLX150-2FGG484C/122-1750-ND/2339792 <- yep 2013-08-29T14:07:35 < dongs> whats the reason for expensive? 2013-08-29T14:07:37 < dongs> LX? 2013-08-29T14:07:52 < dongs> got a bunch of retarded serialIO shits? 2013-08-29T14:07:52 < zyp> number of LEs 2013-08-29T14:08:04 < zyp> LX150 is the largest spartan 6 in terms of LEs 2013-08-29T14:08:14 < dongs> o 2013-08-29T14:09:13 < zyp> your 200an has 4k LEs, LX150 has 147k LEs 2013-08-29T14:11:26 < zyp> bitcoin mining is massively parallelizable, so the more LEs you have, the more mining cores you can fit 2013-08-29T14:12:10 < dongs> < zyp> bitcoin mining is massively retarded 2013-08-29T14:13:04 < zyp> also true 2013-08-29T14:13:58 < zyp> hmm 2013-08-29T14:14:37 < zyp> I remember I bought some bitcoins at $8 and sold them at $30 a couple of years ago 2013-08-29T14:14:46 < karlp> so, usb cdc, to rs485, should I even attempt to follow the set_line_control_state RTS command bits? or just assume that no host will ever do the right thing, and just handle the half duplex myself and pretend it isn't happening as far as the host is concerned? 2013-08-29T14:14:50 < zyp> I still think I have one left, it's apparently worth $129 today 2013-08-29T14:15:02 < dongs> karlp: the latter. 2013-08-29T14:15:53 < karlp> dongs: yeah, that's what I'm thinking, following those commands and getting the host to do it seems like the utopian goal, but requires the host driver to probably check some box saying, "this is a half duplex shit, do special crap!" 2013-08-29T14:16:16 < dongs> wouldnt the host KNOW its halfduplex? 2013-08-29T14:16:22 < dongs> i mean wahtever shity software using it 2013-08-29T14:16:47 < karlp> maybe, but I don't know if that means it will send the right usb commands to toggle rts 2013-08-29T14:16:58 < karlp> http://libmodbus.org/site_media/html/modbus_rtu_set_serial_mode.html you can tell the library that the ports in rs485 mode, 2013-08-29T14:21:27 < dongs> libmodbugs 2013-08-29T14:21:32 < dongs> is more like it 2013-08-29T14:25:44 <+Steffanx> libdongs does it all better. 2013-08-29T14:26:07 <+Steffanx> or just dongs.dll 2013-08-29T14:34:19 < Sync__> donglib 2013-08-29T14:42:07 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.66.16] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T14:44:55 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.67.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-29T14:48:31 < karlp> ok, semihosting works, that's nice, but semihosting with usb doesn't :) 2013-08-29T14:48:38 < karlp> I guess it's rblog time! 2013-08-29T14:56:15 < dongs> haha o shit, the 'dual' pins on 300an are for fucking parallel configuration 2013-08-29T14:56:42 < dongs> 26 address lines + 8bit data + related crap 2013-08-29T14:56:45 <+Steffanx> karlp, why semihosting doesnt work with usb? Timeouts? 2013-08-29T14:56:51 < Laurenceb> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2159707/Knife-wielding-mother-high-15-canisters-butane-gas-threatened-cut-daughter-14--like-fish.html 2013-08-29T14:56:52 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-29-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-29T14:58:20 < karlp> Steffanx: I guess? 2013-08-29T14:58:28 < dongs> haha @ Laurenceb url 2013-08-29T14:58:38 < dongs> Laurenceb: IMA GONNA CUT YOU UP LIKE A FISH, MFKR 2013-08-29T14:59:06 <+Steffanx> i guess you could increase the buffer size and flush by hand and/or newlines? 2013-08-29T14:59:19 <+Steffanx> or is that something you already do? 2013-08-29T14:59:21 < karlp> possibly jus the setting up of the monitor handles takes too long, and I don't have sw control of the pullup, so Ihave to be ready straight away. 2013-08-29T14:59:45 <+Steffanx> but then you still have some delay. A delay rblog also has..? 2013-08-29T14:59:52 < PaulFertser> karlp: you can do setting of the monitor handles later, no problem. 2013-08-29T15:00:02 < dongs> this is more Laurenceb - relevant tho http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2159155/Obese-woman-suffocates-food-gastric-bypass-surgery-meant-couldn-t-fit-stomach.html 2013-08-29T15:00:24 < Laurenceb> lol 2013-08-29T15:01:17 < karlp> http://pastebay.net/1286727 taking out the init monitor handles and the printf makes the device enumerate ok, 2013-08-29T15:01:23 < karlp> leaving them in, it doesn't enumerate 2013-08-29T15:02:46 < PaulFertser> karlp: what if you do usbd_poll for about a second before continueing? 2013-08-29T15:03:18 < karlp> yeha, that's probably a good idea. 2013-08-29T15:03:41 < karlp> not having sw control of this pull is going to suck though, I have to disconnect and reconnect it physically, and that kills any semihosting going on anyway, 2013-08-29T15:04:31 < karlp> if I log into a ring buffer like zyp's rblog, I can/should be able to connect with oocd _without_ asserting srst and grab it's memory out later though.. 2013-08-29T15:05:53 < zyp> that's what it's designed for 2013-08-29T15:07:00 < karlp> now I just have to make it work :) 2013-08-29T15:10:55 < zyp> and yes, semihosting will probably break usb enumeration, there are some rather strict timeouts there 2013-08-29T15:13:35 < dongs> zyp: when youre less bored later, can you help me with descriptors for composite CDC + massstoRAGE device? 2013-08-29T15:13:56 < zyp> I have time now 2013-08-29T15:14:09 < dongs> yes, but i dont even hve the code.i mean like weeks from now. 2013-08-29T15:14:17 < zyp> ah, right, sure 2013-08-29T15:14:54 < zyp> it's just a matter of putting both the CDC interfaces and the MSC interface in the same configuration 2013-08-29T15:15:01 < dongs> ya 2013-08-29T15:15:20 < zyp> and possibly IAD to tell windows to use separate drivers for those 2013-08-29T15:20:47 < dongs> IAD = some other descriptor? 2013-08-29T15:21:58 < zyp> interface association descriptor 2013-08-29T15:22:45 < zyp> it tells windows that the two CDC interfaces goes together for the same driver 2013-08-29T15:22:58 < zyp> and that the MSC interface should have a different one 2013-08-29T15:23:20 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2013-08-29T15:25:49 < dongs> two? 2013-08-29T15:25:55 < dongs> i just want one cdc and msc 2013-08-29T15:26:08 < dongs> by composite i meant cdc+msc together 2013-08-29T15:26:32 < dongs> i wonder if I can just wizard that shit in keil 2013-08-29T15:26:38 < dongs> might be less work :p 2013-08-29T15:26:51 <+Steffanx> Yes you can 2013-08-29T15:27:05 < dongs> i need to get this fpga trash done first tho so this is all bs talk 2013-08-29T15:39:30 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-29T15:42:49 < zyp> dongs, CDC ACM uses one interface for control and one interface for data 2013-08-29T15:43:08 < dongs> oh :( 2013-08-29T15:43:21 < dongs> also: http://matchboxarm.com/ 2013-08-29T15:43:25 < dongs> trending towards BSD-CLASS DEATH 2013-08-29T16:11:48 < karlp> ok, reconnecting with gbd+oocd works, but I have to restart oocd whenever I replug the device, it doesn't manage to reattach by itself. workable 2013-08-29T16:11:53 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T16:20:53 < Laurenceb> http://www.sickipedia.org/search?page=4&q=Rolf%20Harris 2013-08-29T16:20:55 < Laurenceb> lolwut 2013-08-29T16:21:08 < Laurenceb> they delted everything 2013-08-29T16:26:28 <+Steffanx> I guess because it wasn't funny. I don't even know who that guy is. 2013-08-29T16:28:42 < Laurenceb> http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/04/some-rolf-harris-jokes/#axzz2dMdhdACk 2013-08-29T16:31:24 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@212.255.28.62] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-29T16:39:30 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@94.28.180.224] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-29T16:49:28 < dongs> unfunny 2013-08-29T16:53:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/UO3L4Ts.png the only I/O i actually needed, done... 2013-08-29T16:57:18 -!- Activate_for_mor [~spheric@host-8-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T17:06:05 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-29T17:09:33 <+Steffanx> So wonderful how TI packages the stuff you order.. 5x3cm board in a 50x50x5cm package. 2013-08-29T17:12:42 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-29T17:12:42 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-29T17:12:42 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(internal flash spartan 3 2013-08-30T02:20:01 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-145-39.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-30T02:27:57 < emeb> dongs: no, never. 2013-08-30T02:28:11 < dongs> hokay. ill jsut read datsheet and hope it works. 2013-08-30T02:28:27 < emeb> AFAICT it's just a regular XC3SxxxA with a SPI flash in the package. 2013-08-30T02:28:33 < dongs> Ya. 2013-08-30T02:28:45 < dongs> its the memory boot pins that concenr me but they're on like the 2nd page of datasheet 2013-08-30T02:28:49 < dongs> so ill just hook htem up like that. 2013-08-30T02:29:03 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.127.59] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T02:29:04 < dongs> like M0..M2 shit. I think that choosed booting from internal flash orexternal spi or external parallel etc 2013-08-30T02:29:11 < emeb> right. 2013-08-30T02:29:14 < emeb> those are easy. 2013-08-30T02:29:45 < emeb> also make sure you set the VX pins right too, otherwise it won't use the right SPI flash access protocol. 2013-08-30T02:30:07 < dongs> nothign about VX pins 2013-08-30T02:30:09 < dongs> in ds 2013-08-30T02:30:11 < dongs> not evne such pin name 2013-08-30T02:31:53 < emeb> sorry - VSx pins 2013-08-30T02:32:11 < emeb> look in UG332 pg102 2013-08-30T02:32:31 < emeb> figure 4-1 2013-08-30T02:32:36 -!- ntfreak_ [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T02:32:54 < dongs> thats for external flash, no? 2013-08-30T02:32:54 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-30T02:33:06 < dongs> that manual is fucking retarded because I dont htink i saw a 'internal flash only' config samp[le there 2013-08-30T02:33:13 < emeb> IIRC it also applies to the AN parts. That's the mode they use. 2013-08-30T02:33:23 < emeb> (to access their built-in flash) 2013-08-30T02:33:58 < dongs> this is what i did 2013-08-30T02:33:59 < emeb> nm 2013-08-30T02:34:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Zvx0o8b.png 2013-08-30T02:34:11 < dongs> which is liek 4th page of 3AN datasheet 2013-08-30T02:34:11 < emeb> Figure 10-1 on pg 217 shows how thin internal mode works. 2013-08-30T02:34:16 < dongs> ohh lets see 2013-08-30T02:35:08 < dongs> ok 2013-08-30T02:35:17 < dongs> looks like leaving VS blank should be fine 2013-08-30T02:35:25 < dongs> as that'll pullup to 1/1/1 and do what it needs to 2013-08-30T02:36:18 < emeb> internal mode probably doesn't care about those - only used for external SPI 2013-08-30T02:36:25 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@109.48.128.166] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T02:36:28 < emeb> hence the '?' 2013-08-30T02:36:53 < dongs> ok 2013-08-30T02:36:56 < dongs> and whats PUDC shit? 2013-08-30T02:37:02 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.127.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-30T02:37:03 < dongs> keep reading and shit still confuses me 2013-08-30T02:37:12 < dongs> (P) ? pullup? 2013-08-30T02:37:14 < emeb> there's a lot to learn 2013-08-30T02:37:50 < emeb> IIRC PUDC controls the sense of the I/O during configuration. 2013-08-30T02:38:55 < emeb> "PullUp During Configuration" 2013-08-30T02:39:35 < emeb> see pg 35,36 of UG332 2013-08-30T02:40:16 < emeb> I usually pull that low with a 1k 2013-08-30T02:41:36 < dongs> so its just to enable pullups on all shit during config? 2013-08-30T02:42:30 < emeb> ya 2013-08-30T02:43:00 < emeb> particularly useful if you don't want stuff floating on whatever the FPGA is driving. 2013-08-30T02:43:12 < dongs> ya doesnt really matter i think 2013-08-30T02:43:17 < emeb> and if you might have long intervals when the FPGA isn't configured. 2013-08-30T02:43:48 < emeb> which can be the case in some of my designs, but for a 3AN part isn't likely. 2013-08-30T02:45:26 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-30T02:51:42 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@109.48.128.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-30T02:57:52 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T03:26:06 -!- philpem [~philpem@discferret/team-lead] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-30T04:05:53 < dongs> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18520530/arabic-text-that-crashs-webkit-and-ios attn mac faggots 2013-08-30T04:06:51 < zyp> fun, it crashes the tab in chrome 2013-08-30T04:07:36 < dongs> terrorists 2013-08-30T04:08:14 < zyp> no harm here since chrome sandboxes each tab 2013-08-30T04:08:25 < dongs> works for me on windows 2013-08-30T04:08:27 < zyp> probably fun for pranking 2013-08-30T04:08:39 < dongs> i mean doesnt crahs shit 2013-08-30T04:08:42 < zyp> or trolling as you call it :p 2013-08-30T04:08:51 < zyp> that's how I read you 2013-08-30T04:12:55 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-30T04:14:12 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T04:20:25 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-30T04:25:39 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T04:30:07 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-30T04:44:46 < dongs> god damn fucking lunix 2013-08-30T04:44:55 < dongs> now i have to drive 100km in teh fucking rain 2013-08-30T04:44:57 < dongs> because that shit sucks cocko 2013-08-30T04:45:01 < dongs> cock, too 2013-08-30T04:45:05 < dongs> FUCK LUNIX; LUNIX SUX; LUNIX IS DYING; LUNIX IS DEAD TO ME; LUNIX HIT WTC 2013-08-30T05:05:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T05:05:28 < emeb> huh? 2013-08-30T05:07:21 < gxti> more lunix here, got my beagleboner 2013-08-30T05:07:35 < gxti> and a nexus 7. on the same day even. 2013-08-30T05:08:27 < gxti> going to use it to blow up dongs' stuff 2013-08-30T05:08:55 < emeb> yay BBB 2013-08-30T05:09:08 * emeb has a bunch of those. 2013-08-30T05:10:02 < gxti> still haven't gotten the audio cape, i guess i should look into how much it will cost to make one instead. i'll only bother if i can do it without making a full-sized pcb. 2013-08-30T05:10:39 < emeb> all the stuff that audio cape needs are on the P9 connector. 2013-08-30T05:11:34 < emeb> you could probably fit it all on a board about 1"x1.5" 2013-08-30T05:29:50 < izzy84075> Hrm... My board keeps hanging when it goes to call SysTick_Handler()... Would having SysTick_Handler() in a C++ file cause that? 2013-08-30T05:31:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T05:31:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-30T05:31:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T05:41:46 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T05:45:43 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-30T05:49:45 < izzy84075> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/7660/bug-in-keil-arm-compiler-with-interrupt-handlers-and-c Yep... 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<+Steffanx> i guess that's a joke? 2013-08-30T14:11:57 < zyp> all manufacturing problems can be solved by not manufacturing anything too 2013-08-30T14:12:32 < Laurenceb> thats the other approach round here 2013-08-30T14:14:19 < dongs> < zyp> all manufacturing problems can be solved by not manufacturing anything too 2013-08-30T14:14:33 < dongs> which what happems when you get reprap 2013-08-30T14:14:44 < dongs> cuz piece of shit 2013-08-30T14:15:31 < Laurenceb> http://wouldyoulikefrieswiththat.net/files/images/Epic-Ale.jpg 2013-08-30T14:18:06 < Laurenceb> http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=epic 2013-08-30T14:20:20 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T14:21:22 < dongs> haha 2013-08-30T14:21:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-30T14:21:22 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2013-08-30T14:21:30 < dongs> a new rage from wahtever that guys name is 2013-08-30T14:21:41 < dongs> maddox 2013-08-30T14:23:51 < dongs> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/timeline_of_cool3.gif haha 2013-08-30T14:50:38 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-30T15:00:46 <+Steffanx> dongs is in love with that guy now uh? 2013-08-30T15:04:46 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T15:17:58 < karlp> dongs and maddox, sitting in a tree 2013-08-30T15:18:04 < karlp> t-r-o-l-l-i-n-g 2013-08-30T15:18:14 < karlp> first comes hate, then comes rage 2013-08-30T15:18:28 < karlp> then comes the website with the flamebait page 2013-08-30T15:20:42 <+Steffanx> w00t D: 2013-08-30T15:23:59 < zyp> :D 2013-08-30T15:24:21 <+Steffanx> That's epic karlp :D 2013-08-30T15:24:38 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-30T15:35:09 < dongs> http://matchboxarm.com/ yessssssss 2013-08-30T15:35:49 < dongs> i think its time to update 2013-08-30T15:36:25 < dongs> there. 2013-08-30T15:39:26 <+Steffanx> Do they know you own that domain yet? 2013-08-30T15:40:12 < dongs> unsure 2013-08-30T15:40:16 < dongs> only a week left 2013-08-30T15:41:14 < dongs> Hello beloved bakers! Here you have a demo with the line follower robot. You can now see how fast the MatchboxARM does computations on data readed from the analogic sensors and creates a PWM waveform to control the two motors. 2013-08-30T15:46:28 < dongs> attn Laurenceb https://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2013/08/30/image/360890_Well%20you%20don%27t%20hear%20that%20often.jpg 2013-08-30T16:04:38 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T16:08:07 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-30T16:13:23 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-30T16:17:58 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T16:18:02 < dongs> ok ordered up the DAC and canbus rxtx samples from TI. 2013-08-30T16:32:36 <+Steffanx> 'the' dac? 2013-08-30T16:33:29 < dongs> the shit i linked before 2013-08-30T16:33:46 < dongs> DAC082S085 2013-08-30T16:34:00 -!- KennyMcCormic [~Kenny@95.139.222.173] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2013-08-30T16:34:05 -!- jef79m_ [~jef79m@124-149-54-210.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T16:34:13 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-170-200-43.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-30T16:34:13 -!- jef79m_ is now known as jef79m 2013-08-30T16:37:57 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@176.62.208.227] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-30T16:38:37 <+Steffanx> oh, nothing tooo special. 2013-08-30T16:42:23 < dongs> ya its cheap and boring 2013-08-30T17:07:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T17:11:39 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T17:20:06 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@128.243.75.1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T17:46:55 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-30T17:59:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-30T18:11:34 -!- ouah [~ouah@unaffiliated/ouah] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T18:12:11 < ouah> hi 2013-08-30T18:12:53 < ouah> I'm trying to use sprintf if I get the _sbrk undefined linker. If add my own stubs from _sbrk it works well 2013-08-30T18:13:13 < Laurenceb> <Randomskk> I don't get why this has to be such a mess. ugh. 2013-08-30T18:13:13 < Laurenceb> <Randomskk> and of course it has to interact with linux audio which for some reason now brings in a whole new world of hurt (thanks portaudio) 2013-08-30T18:13:13 < Laurenceb> <Laurenceb> ask dongs from ##stm32 for help 2013-08-30T18:13:18 < ouah> but instead I use -lnosys I still get the _sbrk error. Any idea why? 2013-08-30T18:14:34 < ouah> (gosh, sorry for the all the typos, hope it is still understandable) 2013-08-30T18:15:45 < ouah> do I need something else to use -lnosys? 2013-08-30T18:18:23 < dongs> commence c hats 2013-08-30T18:18:47 < dongs> lol @ lunix linking with gcc 2013-08-30T18:19:21 < ouah> (for info I'm using gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_7-2013q1) 2013-08-30T18:23:27 < PaulFertser> ouah: you need to specify -lnosys last in your linker invocation line 2013-08-30T18:23:49 < PaulFertser> dongs: gcc doesn't link anything, and you know that damn well, sigh... 2013-08-30T18:23:54 -!- DanteA [~X@host-57-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T18:24:30 < PaulFertser> dongs: also, if keil linker is multi-pass by default, it only means that it links slower by default, and you can get the same with GNU ld if you want. 2013-08-30T18:25:42 < dongs> PaulFertser: im not talking about multipaass. 2013-08-30T18:25:48 < dongs> im talking about trash like printf/etc NOT FUCKING WORKING BY DEFAULT 2013-08-30T18:25:52 < dongs> without unneceesary dicking 2013-08-30T18:26:01 < dongs> or malloc 2013-08-30T18:26:01 < dongs> etc. 2013-08-30T18:26:04 < dongs> comeon 2013-08-30T18:26:05 < dongs> this is basic shit 2013-08-30T18:26:15 < PaulFertser> dongs: how else would you resolve dependencies without multipass and without ordering libs appropriately? 2013-08-30T18:26:23 < dongs> no idea man 2013-08-30T18:26:27 < dongs> when I link shit with keil it just fuckin works :) 2013-08-30T18:27:11 < PaulFertser> If you use some sample Makefile prepared by e.g. by libopencm3 folks, it works too, it's just a matter of using appropriate templates. 2013-08-30T18:28:40 < dongs> um 2013-08-30T18:28:52 < dongs> the fuck does makefile have to do wiht the fact that user has to imeplement irrelevant shit liek _sbrk etc 2013-08-30T18:28:56 < dongs> in order to use malloc 2013-08-30T18:29:04 < dongs> whats WORSE is to actually make it work all you ened to do is DEFINE _sbrk 2013-08-30T18:29:06 < dongs> with a fucking empty function 2013-08-30T18:29:17 < dongs> so the fuck does it matter, define that trash in libc and fuck off, why should I care about making empty functions for no reason 2013-08-30T18:29:56 < dongs> i mean i have to avoid using printf() and shit in my OPNESOURCE PROJECTS because gcc trash cant properly ocmpile it 2013-08-30T18:30:18 < dongs> "lets pull in a shitty clone rprintf() in instead, that actually takes up MORE space in flash than keil's printf 2013-08-30T18:30:22 < dongs> while keils does FLOATS 2013-08-30T18:30:25 < PaulFertser> dongs: with proper makefile you'll just use stubs from libnosys which was already present for many years, I can not understand why you think you should write stubs yourself. Also _sbrk can't be an empty function for malloc to work properly. But it's all covered by libnosys already. 2013-08-30T18:30:26 < dongs> and lunix printf doesnt 2013-08-30T18:31:06 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/Rofl__Harris 2013-08-30T18:31:45 < dongs> dumb meme is dumb 2013-08-30T18:32:16 < PaulFertser> newlib's printf does floats too, I'm not sure why you think it doesn't. 2013-08-30T18:32:34 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T18:33:56 < dongs> what is "newlib" 2013-08-30T18:33:58 < dongs> or "libnosys" 2013-08-30T18:34:04 < PaulFertser> dongs: I propose an experiment: you compile a minimal app that printf's a float from a global volatile app, and provide the resulting memory map and assembler listing, I take your app, and compile with gcc linking against newlib (or newlib-nano if it supports floats). 2013-08-30T18:34:10 < dongs> is this shit i need to carea bout or do I just gcc -o crap.elf lol.c and it works? 2013-08-30T18:34:34 < PaulFertser> dongs: you just gcc -o crap.elf lol.c -lnosys 2013-08-30T18:35:13 < PaulFertser> newlib is the system library (implementing ANSI C functions) that's proposed to be used with their cores by ARM inc. 2013-08-30T18:35:27 < dongs> https://code.google.com/p/afrodevices/source/browse/trunk/baseflight/Makefile#143 2013-08-30T18:35:40 < dongs> how much bloat does it add? 2013-08-30T18:35:53 < PaulFertser> libnosys is a part of it, contains minimal implementations of necessary user-overridable functions. 2013-08-30T18:35:54 < dongs> i would love to dump the bullshit internal printf() and just use proper shit 2013-08-30T18:36:06 < dongs> is this part of gcc-arm-embedded stuff that everyone uses 2013-08-30T18:36:11 < dongs> or something that neesd to be compiled extra 2013-08-30T18:36:17 < PaulFertser> Part of gae 2013-08-30T18:40:13 < ouah> PaulFertser: thanks for the suggestion, but it actually last in the line 2013-08-30T18:41:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T18:41:36 < ouah> PaulFertser: basically I only added --specs=nano.specs and -lnosys, could I be missing something else? 2013-08-30T18:41:50 < PaulFertser> ouah: add -lc before -lnosys 2013-08-30T18:42:06 < karlp> or just ocpy the makefiles from libopencm3-examples :) 2013-08-30T18:42:17 < ouah> PaulFertser: I tried to add -lc and also -lgcc, does not change anything 2013-08-30T18:43:04 < PaulFertser> ouah: I use these linker flags in my custom project: -nostartfiles -Xlinker --build-id=none -Xlinker --gc-sections -lc -lnosys 2013-08-30T18:43:36 < PaulFertser> (that's with ST's shit library and their startup) 2013-08-30T18:43:53 < karlp> what's the build-id=none for? save a handful of bytes? 2013-08-30T18:44:04 < karlp> that's to help you link binaries and offline debug symbols or something right? 2013-08-30T18:45:33 < ouah> PaulFertser: does'nt help actually, thanks anyway 2013-08-30T18:47:16 < PaulFertser> karlp: there was some moment when the upstream actually required build-id, and that broke the build, and that's a quick workaround for that version. 2013-08-30T18:47:44 < PaulFertser> ouah: please show the full gcc or ld invocation line plus results. 2013-08-30T18:49:53 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-30T18:50:28 < Posterdati> please I've got hardfault setting PRFTBE to 1 in ACR for the FLASH controller 2013-08-30T18:50:35 < Posterdati> for the stm32f107 2013-08-30T18:50:43 < ouah> PaulFertser: arm-none-eabi-gcc --specs=nano.specs -ggdb -mthumb -mcpu=cortex-m3 -Tstm32_flash.ld -Wl,-Map=bin/bla.map,--gc-sections list_of.o -o bla.elf 2013-08-30T18:50:51 < ouah> PaulFertser: /usr/local/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_7-2013q1/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.7.3/../../../../arm-none-eabi/lib/armv7-m/libc_s.a(lib_a-sbrkr.o): In function `_sbrk_r': 2013-08-30T18:50:54 < ouah> sbrkr.c:(.text._sbrk_r+0xc): undefined reference to `_sbrk' 2013-08-30T18:51:36 < karlp> dude not here, pastebay.net or yoru favourite 2013-08-30T18:52:08 < ouah> karlp: well it's two lines.. 2013-08-30T18:53:01 < karlp> bullshit, you don't even have a c line there, so it's likely not the complete compile and link anyway 2013-08-30T18:53:21 < dongs> eh 2013-08-30T18:53:28 < dongs> bacs.tv/paste 2013-08-30T18:53:31 < dongs> er 2013-08-30T18:53:33 < dongs> bcas.tv/paste :( 2013-08-30T18:53:37 < Laurenceb> LOOOOOOONIX 2013-08-30T18:53:41 < dongs> no 2013-08-30T18:53:51 < Laurenceb> LOOOOONNNGGGGIX 2013-08-30T18:53:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iMCNqlo.jpg this is lunix 2013-08-30T18:54:02 < dongs> spent all day crawling in this trash today 2013-08-30T18:54:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/70VxhHL.jpg looks fucking great 2013-08-30T18:54:19 < Laurenceb> spent all day waits for nets to come back 2013-08-30T18:54:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7HQmkjU.jpg 2013-08-30T18:54:26 < Laurenceb> ALF haxord us again 2013-08-30T18:55:08 < Laurenceb> www.animalliberationfront.com/ <- asholes 2013-08-30T19:00:58 < PaulFertser> ouah: told you to use -lnosys last, and here there's no lnosys at all 2013-08-30T19:01:14 < dongs> fuck 2013-08-30T19:01:26 < dongs> i got a GND via between traces and no fuckign way to connect to a pour 2013-08-30T19:01:29 < dongs> rage 2013-08-30T19:01:36 < Laurenceb> ragingrage 2013-08-30T19:08:10 < ouah> PaulFertser: srry I edited the line for the list_of.o 2013-08-30T19:08:20 < ouah> PaulFertser: the -lnosys is actually the last option 2013-08-30T19:10:09 < emeb> Laurenceb: anti-vivisectionists got you down? 2013-08-30T19:10:15 < Laurenceb> yup 2013-08-30T19:10:22 < ouah> PaulFertser: so if add -lc, the actual list is: 2013-08-30T19:10:27 < ouah> PaulFertser: arm-none-eabi-gcc --specs=nano.specs -ggdb -mthumb -mcpu=cortex-m3 -Tstm32_flash.ld -Wl,-Map=bin/bla.map,--gc-sections -lc -lnosys list_of.o -o bla.elf 2013-08-30T19:10:38 < ouah> PaulFertser: and I got the error I pasted above 2013-08-30T19:11:17 < PaulFertser> ouah: you have list_of.o _after_ -lnosys, so it's not the last 2013-08-30T19:11:51 < ouah> PaulFertser: good point 2013-08-30T19:12:53 < ouah> PaulFertser: amazing it fixes the issue 2013-08-30T19:13:15 < dongs> man 2013-08-30T19:13:17 < PaulFertser> ouah: not amazing to me :) 2013-08-30T19:13:19 < dongs> order-based command arguments 2013-08-30T19:13:22 < ouah> PaulFertser: for whatever I remembered to put it last, but not after the .o which is stupid I admit 2013-08-30T19:13:23 < dongs> lunix fucking succeeds it 2013-08-30T19:13:25 < dongs> so hard. 2013-08-30T19:13:39 < ouah> PaulFertser: thanks for your help, appreciate 2013-08-30T19:13:57 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-30T19:13:59 < dongs> please give one sane reason why any command line arguments would ever need to be order-dependenet. 2013-08-30T19:14:06 < PaulFertser> dongs: one-pass linking 2013-08-30T19:14:31 < PaulFertser> ouah: welcome 2013-08-30T19:14:35 < dongs> dont get it. 2013-08-30T19:15:00 < dongs> link output.exe crap.o crap1.o lib1.lib lib2.lib crap3.o whatever.a loldongs.o 2013-08-30T19:15:05 < dongs> i dont see how the order matters whatsoever. 2013-08-30T19:15:28 < ouah> PaulFertser: for info without the -lc it would also fail 2013-08-30T19:15:44 < dongs> how much bigger is your target hex now? 2013-08-30T19:16:21 < ouah> dongs: 2 kB bigger, I'm ok with that ;) 2013-08-30T19:16:22 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T19:16:48 < dongs> ok. 2013-08-30T19:17:00 < ouah> without the nano it would be 30 kB bigger 2013-08-30T19:17:14 < dongs> sigh 2013-08-30T19:17:25 < dongs> dat lunix. 2013-08-30T19:17:27 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T19:17:32 < dongs> k bedtime 2013-08-30T19:17:34 < PaulFertser> No, with gc-sections stock newlib doesn't add much bloat either. 2013-08-30T19:18:14 < PaulFertser> 30kB is a joke, never seen newlib adding that much! 2013-08-30T19:18:51 < ouah> PaulFertser: I tested right now with --specs=nano.specs : 2kB bigger 2013-08-30T19:19:01 < ouah> without --specs=nano.specs: 22 kB bigger 2013-08-30T19:19:03 < ouah> not a joke 2013-08-30T19:19:27 < ouah> I'm just calling sprintf 2013-08-30T19:19:45 < PaulFertser> Must be something else wrong I'd say. You can look at the map file and the assembler listing to see where it all comes from. 2013-08-30T19:23:07 < ouah> PaulFertser: if "nm" the elf, I see 2013-08-30T19:23:30 < ouah> 08003c1d T sprintf 2013-08-30T19:23:31 < ouah> 08007ec9 T strlen 2013-08-30T19:24:07 < ouah> so I assume 08007ec9 - 08003c1d is the size of sprintf, and the value is 17068 ! 2013-08-30T19:24:10 < PaulFertser> ouah: I get it, you're getting float-enabled sprintf version I guess. You can use siprintf instead and then it'll be about the same size as newlib-nano. 2013-08-30T19:24:57 < PaulFertser> Or use some .spec that I do not remember the name of. 2013-08-30T19:25:11 < ouah> ok make sense, will look 2013-08-30T19:25:22 < karlp> it's int he g-a-e readme.txt 2013-08-30T19:25:40 < dongs> are all your floats actually floats? 2013-08-30T19:25:51 < dongs> i.e. initializing with 0.0f, using f-ending math functions (sinf, etc)? 2013-08-30T19:25:55 < dongs> or else you're pulling in double support as well 2013-08-30T19:26:00 < PaulFertser> karlp++ 2013-08-30T19:26:02 < dongs> tehre's a gcc warning you can enable to make sure 2013-08-30T19:26:57 < dongs> -Wdouble-promotion 2013-08-30T19:30:34 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button 2013-08-30T19:30:49 < dongs> 200k for a pushbutton shorting mic sense ring and some crappy software 2013-08-30T19:31:41 < dongs> trending towards 3mil 2013-08-30T19:31:43 < dongs> lmfao 2013-08-30T19:31:46 < dongs> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/556341540/pressy-the-almighty-android-button/ 2013-08-30T19:33:55 <+Steffanx> sleep walking dongs? 2013-08-30T19:33:59 < dongs> yep 2013-08-30T19:34:04 <+Steffanx> Must be a scary movie. 2013-08-30T19:34:06 < dongs> wow, i said bedtime liek 15mins ago 2013-08-30T19:34:06 < dongs> lo 2013-08-30T19:34:26 <+Steffanx> Time flies when you have fun not? 2013-08-30T19:34:56 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1387330585/hex-a-copter-that-anyone-can-fly?ref=category waat 2013-08-30T19:35:28 < Sync__> wat 2013-08-30T19:35:39 <+Steffanx> Looks nice, but what's new? 2013-08-30T19:35:50 < dongs> works with iphone 2013-08-30T19:36:05 <+Steffanx> old.. 2013-08-30T19:37:27 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2021474419/flutter-20-wireless-arduino-with-half-mile-1km-ran?ref=category ??? 2013-08-30T19:38:18 < Sync__> even older 2013-08-30T19:39:05 <+Steffanx> Just add "Arduino" to your project name it starts selling... 2013-08-30T19:39:27 <+Steffanx> two of them for $35 isn't THAT bad. 2013-08-30T19:41:16 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wildhelp/wildhelp-app?ref=category haha 2013-08-30T19:42:35 <+Steffanx> Just add a few photos of 'cute' animals and start cashinh.. 2013-08-30T19:42:39 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/765640644/surf-the-earth-with-the-golfboard?ref=category fuck ya 2013-08-30T19:42:57 <+Steffanx> dongs STOP BROWSING KICKSTARTER, STOP BROWSING KICKSTARTER 2013-08-30T19:43:15 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1154457775/usb-power-adapter-charger?ref=category lolllllllllll 2013-08-30T19:43:41 < dongs> oh gawd texttospeech 2013-08-30T19:43:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-30T19:44:03 < dongs> of course, it can power hypeberry pi 2013-08-30T19:45:28 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/electronickit/arduino-16-channel-digital-power-shield?ref=category 2013-08-30T19:45:31 < dongs> hahah 2013-08-30T19:46:24 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-145-39.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T20:14:24 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-30T20:15:15 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T20:17:01 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@15.sub-75-233-77.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T20:17:58 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2013-08-30T21:15:16 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-30T21:30:29 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T21:30:50 -!- Activate_for_mor [~mirggi@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T21:52:06 -!- Activate_for_mor [~mirggi@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-30T21:54:06 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-145-39.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-30T21:54:15 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-150-121-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T21:58:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-185254.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T22:04:50 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.5] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T22:05:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.13.204] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T22:07:55 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.67.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-30T22:22:01 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@15.sub-75-233-77.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-08-30T22:38:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T22:47:05 -!- DanteA [~X@host-57-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-30T23:01:04 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-145-39.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T23:04:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.13.204] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-30T23:09:30 -!- alexn [~alexn@178-27-150-121-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-30T23:16:34 < emeb> love how the RF connector on that Flutter board is SMD. Hookup straight to the antenna and watch it rip off the board... 2013-08-30T23:16:40 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2013-08-30T23:20:26 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-30T23:21:14 <+Steffanx> Why you guys can't be careful with you hw? :P 2013-08-30T23:22:38 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T23:24:14 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T23:37:49 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T23:47:44 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-185254.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T23:47:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-185254.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-30T23:48:53 < gxti> dongs really loves kickstarter and all the wonderful things promoted there 2013-08-30T23:55:00 < gxti> emeb: probably stronger than the crap people will be plugging the board into 2013-08-30T23:55:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-181078.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-30T23:55:29 < gxti> if they wanted to avoid pth assembly they should have gone with u.FL though 2013-08-30T23:59:30 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp-185254.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-30T23:59:34 < emeb> Steffanx: I'm pretty careful with my HW. I lent some HW to a buddy though and he promptly started tearing SMD connectors off. Taught me a lesson about how the average person treats equipment. --- Day changed Sat Aug 31 2013 2013-08-31T00:00:41 < emeb> gxti: since they used pth for the I/O headers I assume that wasn't a strong driver. 2013-08-31T00:13:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-181078.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-31T00:13:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-181078.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T00:14:11 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-181078.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-31T00:14:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-181078.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T00:24:53 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-31T00:32:26 -!- espiral [~maze@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T00:34:53 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T00:54:49 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.66.5] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T00:56:58 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-31T01:04:07 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-31T01:10:26 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-31T01:20:01 -!- amstan [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-31T01:22:59 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T01:56:28 -!- amstan_ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T02:12:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T02:12:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2013-08-31T02:12:58 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T02:13:05 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-31T02:21:55 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-145-39.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-31T02:25:18 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T02:44:56 < dongs> sup trolls 2013-08-31T02:45:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-181078.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-31T02:47:27 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/Ww2ZM5W.jpg 2013-08-31T02:51:20 < emeb> wtf? 2013-08-31T02:52:50 < R2COM> some old trash 2013-08-31T02:53:01 < karlp> what is that mounted on? 2013-08-31T02:53:02 < R2COM> testbench for working out control algorithms for specific heli I guess 2013-08-31T02:53:08 < karlp> ah, ok. 2013-08-31T02:53:13 < R2COM> old trash is mounted on 2013-08-31T02:53:27 < R2COM> but the frame itself looks kinda nice 2013-08-31T02:58:15 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-31T03:16:50 < karlp> hey dongs you old kicklover you, check out the awesome rewards on this one: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/671413639/beertherm-fermentation-temperature-control-made-si?ref=search 2013-08-31T03:17:51 < zyp> paintings? :p 2013-08-31T03:18:19 < englishman> $600 for a peltier koolatron? 2013-08-31T03:20:26 < gxti> i know it's kind of the point of the kickstarter to get a custom lid to put the shit into, but couldn't they have put the shit in a goddamn box for the pictures? 2013-08-31T03:26:32 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T03:36:16 < qyx_> i dislike the shape of the "6" and "9" numbers 2013-08-31T03:46:22 < emeb> look like backwards P & d 2013-08-31T03:47:10 < gxti> unacceptable! 2013-08-31T04:05:08 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.14] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T04:08:04 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.66.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-31T04:08:08 < dongs> The time is so short till the project ends. In 16 hours we will load another video shoving some more cababilities of the board. Like timers, interrupts, ADC and the line follower working. 2013-08-31T04:12:32 < zyp> how disappointed would you be if they suddenly get a bunch of money at the end, making them meet the goal? 2013-08-31T04:13:50 < dongs> not at all 2013-08-31T04:13:52 < dongs> because if tehy get funded 2013-08-31T04:13:58 < dongs> I can troll their actual product 2013-08-31T04:14:01 < dongs> with a website 2013-08-31T04:14:07 < dongs> :D 2013-08-31T04:14:28 < dongs> or in best case scenario ask for half of their profits for domain transfer ^_^ 2013-08-31T04:16:01 < dongs> i dobut they'll get funded 2013-08-31T04:16:09 < dongs> noone is gonna front 2k gbp for usenless shit 2013-08-31T04:16:14 < dongs> to 2 guys who can barely speak english 2013-08-31T04:16:27 < dongs> and their project doesnt include "iphone, arduino or raspberry pi" in it 2013-08-31T04:16:31 < dongs> so it will fail 2013-08-31T04:16:44 < dongs> I'm gonna shoving that website in their face 2013-08-31T04:19:48 < dongs> All the bakers will be happy when they will get it. Only then the people will know how easy is to work with the MatchboxARM. 2013-08-31T04:19:51 < dongs> lulz 2013-08-31T04:20:30 < dongs> if this keeps up im filling up background image of the site w/bakery pics 2013-08-31T04:21:01 < qyx_> i am getting hungry 2013-08-31T04:35:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T04:47:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-31T04:49:03 < R2COM> I dont get one thing 2013-08-31T04:49:16 < R2COM> people in industry make tons of different things as part of their jobs 2013-08-31T04:49:24 < R2COM> way more sophisticated than this shit 2013-08-31T04:49:28 < dongs> lol 2013-08-31T04:49:33 < R2COM> I mean, in all areas, in which electronics needed 2013-08-31T04:49:36 < R2COM> they just go to work 2013-08-31T04:49:38 < R2COM> do it 2013-08-31T04:49:39 < R2COM> come back 2013-08-31T04:49:42 < R2COM> drink beer, fuck etc 2013-08-31T04:49:47 < R2COM> and dont make big deal of it 2013-08-31T04:49:57 < R2COM> wtf is that kickstarter thing makes big deal out of obvious thing? 2013-08-31T04:50:44 < R2COM> there are fuckloads of things already developed and being developed for stuff like beer or just about any other chemical/product liquid preparation etc 2013-08-31T04:50:53 < dongs> but, this is "DIY" 2013-08-31T04:50:58 < dongs> so you can blow up your apartment 2013-08-31T04:51:00 < dongs> while making shitty beer 2013-08-31T04:51:01 < R2COM> well all the shit is DIY dude 2013-08-31T04:51:11 < R2COM> in industry everything is DIY too 2013-08-31T04:51:13 < R2COM> at the beginning 2013-08-31T04:51:22 < R2COM> why DIY? 2013-08-31T04:51:23 < R2COM> well 2013-08-31T04:51:33 < R2COM> because people fucking Do it "yourself" 2013-08-31T04:51:35 < R2COM> or themselves 2013-08-31T04:52:32 < R2COM> all the shit around is DIY 2013-08-31T04:53:54 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-31T04:54:13 < R2COM> talking about beer..its time. 2013-08-31T04:54:21 < dongs> fucking alchoholic. 2013-08-31T04:59:16 < R2COM> my filters are also working fine today 2013-08-31T04:59:24 < R2COM> after some tweaking + cap fixing 2013-08-31T04:59:43 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/UL5Vp3u.png 2013-08-31T04:59:53 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/Rv4HdOt.png 2013-08-31T05:00:01 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/F5SED39.png 2013-08-31T05:00:11 < R2COM> http://i.imgur.com/jV1uvoL.png 2013-08-31T05:00:56 < R2COM> made as a strips on a cheapo fr408 process 2013-08-31T05:01:26 < R2COM> shapes are not great, but its not that important, since I'll be doing almost brick-like filters in digital domain 2013-08-31T05:01:39 < R2COM> but the reflection is important, I had to achieve at least < -10dB 2013-08-31T05:01:44 < R2COM> which is what I got. 2013-08-31T05:02:41 < R2COM> also they have some bigger loss in passband, which is also explained by lousy pcb process 2013-08-31T05:03:06 < R2COM> but they will do the job 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quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-31T12:15:31 < dongs> http://www.dailydot.com/news/kickstarter-zioneyez-scam-joe-taylor/ 2013-08-31T12:15:33 < dongs> hilarious 2013-08-31T12:27:44 < Lt_Lemming> not surprising in the slightest 2013-08-31T12:47:51 < R2COM> hiring hitman would be fun 2013-08-31T12:48:30 < R2COM> haha 2013-08-31T12:48:57 < R2COM> investing in tards 2013-08-31T12:51:43 < R2COM> kicktards 2013-08-31T12:52:28 -!- R2COM [~blackops@c-98-230-217-221.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-31T12:52:42 <@Tectu> new stm32f4 discovery: http://forum.chibios.org/phpbb/download/file.php?id=455 2013-08-31T12:53:36 <@Tectu> zyp, ^ 2013-08-31T12:57:50 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T13:13:27 < Posterdati> huge! 2013-08-31T13:14:14 < dongs> There are dishonest and possibly illegal methods used to breach the code protection feature. All of these methods, to our 2013-08-31T13:14:17 < dongs> knowledge, require using the Microchip products in a manner outside the operating specifications contained in Microchip’s Data Sheets. Most likely, the person doing so is engaged in theft of intellectual property. 2013-08-31T13:18:03 < zyp> Tectu, ah, so that's how it's gonna look 2013-08-31T13:18:17 < dongs> plz tell me thats not running chibidongs 2013-08-31T13:18:54 < zyp> Tectu, what's up with the footprint on the bottom? is it an usb connector? why does it look unpopulated? 2013-08-31T13:19:23 < dongs> looks like bottom-mounted jewsb 2013-08-31T13:19:36 < dongs> the same kinda socket we use 2013-08-31T13:19:39 < dongs> w/ 4 througholes 2013-08-31T13:19:44 < dongs> hm except it has aligmetn pins 2013-08-31T13:19:45 < dongs> ours dont 2013-08-31T13:21:18 < dongs> ohh 2013-08-31T13:21:22 < dongs> its time for daily dickstarter reading 2013-08-31T13:21:22 < dongs> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/968523355/micro-phone-lens-cell-phone-based-microscope?ref=category 2013-08-31T13:55:42 < Posterdati> hi 2013-08-31T13:57:13 < dongs> sup blogs 2013-08-31T14:50:01 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T15:01:44 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.66.4] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T15:05:01 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@91.192.66.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-31T15:05:30 <+Steffanx> Can't you write some script/bot that automatically posts all kickstarter projects here at once dongs? 2013-08-31T15:05:39 <+Steffanx> Then we at least had all links in here once.. 2013-08-31T15:07:56 <+Steffanx> and mr dongs. That is not chibios running on that board. The image is crappy like it is, because it's stolen from some STM presentation 2013-08-31T15:08:17 <+Steffanx> It could be chibios, but it's not very likely 2013-08-31T15:29:35 -!- Guest62222 [~Peter@81-237-198-30-no92.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-31T15:46:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-31T15:47:08 -!- Activate_for_mor [~mirggi@host-50-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T16:10:04 -!- Activate_for_mor [~mirggi@host-50-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [] 2013-08-31T16:14:40 -!- Activate_for_mor [~mirggi@host-50-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T16:16:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T16:29:07 < akaWolf> dongs: yeah, many KS projects look very courious and maybe even funny and stupid... 2013-08-31T16:40:25 <+Steffanx> but as long as people pay for it it's not stupid enough господин akaWolf :P 2013-08-31T17:14:43 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.128.166] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T17:27:42 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@109.48.128.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-31T17:32:39 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-145-39.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T17:33:33 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-31T17:34:09 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-247-186.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T17:41:54 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-136-118-2.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T17:42:10 < Thorn> wtf, my SSR does not switch the load off even though its LED does turn off 2013-08-31T17:50:02 < karlp> Thorn: I've had that when I was only giving the ssr 3V, 2013-08-31T17:50:13 < karlp> needed 3.3v to switch the load as well as the led 2013-08-31T17:50:35 < Thorn> I'm giving it 5V (it's rated for 3V) 2013-08-31T17:50:42 < karlp> then I've got no idea :) 2013-08-31T17:50:57 < Thorn> will need to experiment. the load is an ABB contactor (electromagnetic) 2013-08-31T17:51:19 < zyp> too little load? 2013-08-31T17:51:27 < zyp> a contactor doesn't draw much 2013-08-31T17:51:58 < Thorn> will try lightbulbs I guess 2013-08-31T17:52:13 < qyx_> Thorn: ac or dc? 2013-08-31T17:52:34 < Thorn> contactor coil is 220VAC 2013-08-31T17:53:44 < Thorn> (and I didn't have a current clamp handy) 2013-08-31T17:57:36 < Thorn> the ssr datasheet of course has no schematics whatsoever 2013-08-31T17:58:38 < karlp> heh, it even has a datasheet? :) 2013-08-31T18:00:08 < Thorn> http://www.cosmo-ic.com/object/products/KSD215AC8.pdf 2013-08-31T18:00:17 <@Tectu> zyp, good question - I don't have it yet 2013-08-31T18:00:23 < Thorn> oh it's 4V min btw 2013-08-31T18:01:24 <+Steffanx> Tectu, you copied the image from some pdf not? 2013-08-31T18:09:24 <@Tectu> Steffanx, na 2013-08-31T18:09:30 -!- Activate_for_mor [~mirggi@host-50-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-31T18:14:24 <+Steffanx> That's a yes 2013-08-31T18:14:25 <+Steffanx> ? 2013-08-31T18:14:42 < akaWolf> Steffanx: I do not think, that paying of the mob is an significative of usefullness and relevance of the product. может быть, мы тогда поговорим на русском, мистер Steffanx? :) 2013-08-31T18:15:14 <@Tectu> Steffanx, no 2013-08-31T18:15:34 <+Steffanx> but were did it come from? 2013-08-31T18:16:05 <+Steffanx> it looks like a resized version of http://www.emcu.it/SILICA-STDay-2013/STM8andSTM32-Apr2013.pdf page 50. 2013-08-31T18:16:08 <+Steffanx> not that it matters :P 2013-08-31T18:17:17 <+Steffanx> is now see they also announce a L1W, L0 and L4 .. didn't know that. 2013-08-31T18:19:07 -!- Activate_for_mor [~mirggi@host-50-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T18:24:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T18:42:04 < Thorn> ***NO SHIPMENTS TO RUSSIA ANYMORE. TERRIBLE SHIPPING SITUATION WITH GERMAN POST AND COURRIERS; THERFORE WE DECIDE NOT TO ACCEPT BIDS FROM RUSSIAN BIDDERS:*** 2013-08-31T18:42:22 < zyp> ok 2013-08-31T18:46:04 <@Tectu> Steffanx, I don't know, somebody put it into the forum 2013-08-31T19:00:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T19:05:36 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-145-39.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-31T19:09:55 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T19:23:30 < akaWolf> Thorn: it's so terrible... 2013-08-31T19:30:18 < upgrdman> why are ISRs shared between multiple interrupt sources? is it cheaper to layout silicon that way? seems weird, for example, to have one ISR serve 12 external interrupts 2013-08-31T19:35:58 < zyp> it's not weird 2013-08-31T19:37:31 < zyp> and yes, running only one interrupt line from a peripheral block to the cpu block in silicon is less complex than running many interrupt lines 2013-08-31T19:37:31 < upgrdman> why not? 2013-08-31T19:38:04 < zyp> because doing it like that also makes the software simple 2013-08-31T19:38:26 < upgrdman> wouldnt the software be simpler with one isr per exti? 2013-08-31T19:38:39 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-119-239-15-17.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-31T19:39:49 < zyp> not necessarily 2013-08-31T19:40:12 < zyp> say you have a bunch of keys, and you're using exti to detect keypresses 2013-08-31T19:40:40 < upgrdman> ok 2013-08-31T19:41:01 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-145-39.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T19:41:05 < zyp> with a shared interrupt for all, you just have to write one ISR to handle all keys, instead of writing a seperate one for each 2013-08-31T19:41:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-31T19:42:50 <+Steffanx> Sure it's an issue from the german post Thorn? I hear more bad stories about packages going to russia 2013-08-31T19:57:55 < Laurenceb_> <Willdude123> I'm bored. There must be some way 13 year olds can earn money online 2013-08-31T19:57:58 < Laurenceb_> suggestions? 2013-08-31T20:09:54 < upgrdman> lol 2013-08-31T20:12:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip72-223-90-58.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2013-08-31T20:14:56 < Laurenceb_> id suggest skype with rolf harris 2013-08-31T20:15:26 <+Steffanx> i'd suggest you talk to him in #highaltitude. 2013-08-31T20:15:35 <+Steffanx> i know something else. 2013-08-31T20:15:43 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-08-31T20:16:30 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by ChanServ 2013-08-31T20:16:52 -!- Willdude123 [~William@unaffiliated/willdude123] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T20:17:06 <+Steffanx> Laurenceb_ there you go. 2013-08-31T20:17:39 <+Steffanx> Hi Willdude123 2013-08-31T20:17:48 -!- Willdude123 [~William@unaffiliated/willdude123] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2013-08-31T20:17:52 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2013-08-31T20:18:00 < Laurenceb_> fake willdude is fake 2013-08-31T20:18:23 <+Steffanx> He was real. 2013-08-31T20:18:31 <+Steffanx> "Willdude123 has been invited to ##stm32" 2013-08-31T20:18:45 < Laurenceb_> <Willdude123> !op (if that works) invite spam by Steffanx 2013-08-31T20:18:48 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard 2013-08-31T20:19:01 <@Tectu> Good evening, my name is john and I'm an addict 2013-08-31T20:19:53 <+Steffanx> Addicted to what john? 2013-08-31T20:20:30 <@Tectu> mastrubating 2013-08-31T20:20:46 <+Steffanx> Thanks for the information. 2013-08-31T20:21:19 < Laurenceb_> trollercoaster 2013-08-31T20:21:53 <@Tectu> and you'll never know if I'm serious or not 2013-08-31T20:22:09 <+Steffanx> Yes I do 2013-08-31T20:22:15 <+Steffanx> As you name isn't John. 2013-08-31T20:24:05 <@Tectu> it is 2013-08-31T20:25:23 < Laurenceb_> Joel Bodenmann 2013-08-31T20:26:20 < Laurenceb_> http://ugfx.org/images/resources/doc_images/list.png 2013-08-31T20:26:25 < Laurenceb_> that looks lame 2013-08-31T20:26:35 <@Tectu> yes, that's my troll name 2013-08-31T20:26:38 <@Tectu> my real one is tectu 2013-08-31T20:26:39 <+Steffanx> "You look lame" 2013-08-31T20:26:54 <@Tectu> it's lame because it's the default rendering routine 2013-08-31T20:26:57 <@Tectu> I'll put up custom ones too 2013-08-31T20:28:14 < Laurenceb_> the ticks need to look more fancy 2013-08-31T20:31:13 <+Steffanx> Who cares Laurenceb_? He can give you 5000 different 'rendering routines' and you'll dislike em all. 2013-08-31T20:31:29 <+Steffanx> Just because you can. 2013-08-31T20:45:23 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-145-39.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-31T20:57:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-31T21:01:59 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@194.176.111.168] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T21:05:10 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@91.192.66.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-08-31T21:06:06 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T21:14:23 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T21:33:39 -!- Iain_G4SGX [~yahalimu@87.114.215.236] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T21:33:47 -!- Iain_G4SGX [~yahalimu@87.114.215.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-31T21:38:19 < Laurenceb_> http://costumenetwork.com/albums/2/tyrraposaurus.jpg 2013-08-31T21:40:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp-185254.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T21:45:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T22:08:07 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-08-31T22:23:28 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T22:57:14 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2013-08-31T23:04:50 < [7]> hm, does someone happen to know how the STM32F2 series CRC32 core works? 2013-08-31T23:05:18 < [7]> I'm mostly interested in the input/output endianness and if it does any pre/postprocessing 2013-08-31T23:11:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2013-08-31T23:25:12 < Laurenceb_> http://www.b3tards.com/u/8a0a0f0f139f7bf24a54/snowden_yahoo.png 2013-08-31T23:25:17 < Laurenceb_> dafuq?? 2013-08-31T23:27:29 <+Steffanx> what's unclear mr Laurenceb_? 2013-08-31T23:27:52 < Laurenceb_> yahoo groups works fine 2013-08-31T23:29:19 <+Steffanx> That's why unfunny crap isnt funny 2013-08-31T23:29:56 <+Steffanx> So how is Laurenceb_ today? 2013-08-31T23:39:02 -!- amstan__ [~alex@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 --- Log closed Sun Sep 01 00:00:10 2013