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2014-05-01T01:10:13 < englishman> http://investors.cypress.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=843361
2014-05-01T01:10:21 < englishman> $0.29 cortex-M0
2014-05-01T01:13:41 < englishman> 3x3mm qfn will be cool
2014-05-01T01:15:25 < ds2> wow... that is nice
2014-05-01T01:15:31 < ds2> 3x3 PSoC
2014-05-01T01:15:58 < ds2> now if they would make a PSoC5 version
2014-05-01T01:19:11 < emeb> ds2: have you done much with PSoC?
2014-05-01T01:20:42 < ds2> I have a PCB designed and fab'ed
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2014-05-01T01:20:49 < ds2> but chickened out before I populated it
2014-05-01T01:21:01 < emeb> what was the application?
2014-05-01T01:21:03 < ds2> it was suppose to be a capsense controller + mic preamp
2014-05-01T01:21:08 < emeb> aha
2014-05-01T01:21:17 < emeb> what was your concern about building it?
2014-05-01T01:21:19 < ds2> dropped the capsense for now and the mic preamp is a NPN transistor
2014-05-01T01:21:31 < ds2> having to write code to get the HW going
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2014-05-01T01:21:37 < ds2> I might revisit after I get everything else working
2014-05-01T01:22:12 < emeb> If I recall, the tools they provided for coding up PSoC were pretty good years ago when I first used them.
2014-05-01T01:22:19 < emeb> Don't know what they're like now.
2014-05-01T01:22:22 < ds2> it lacks simulation
2014-05-01T01:22:28 < ds2> otherwise it is fine
2014-05-01T01:22:33 < ds2> for a windows only crap
2014-05-01T01:22:37 < emeb> right
2014-05-01T01:22:50 < emeb> It was a GUI drag/drop kind of thing
2014-05-01T01:23:06 < emeb> but you could get in and customize some of the code if needed.
2014-05-01T01:23:24 < ds2> yes but for HW, i really wish they had integrated spice engines
2014-05-01T01:23:36 < ds2> it is a nice breadboard type thing
2014-05-01T01:23:44 < ds2> i am using it as capsense controller + a few op-amps
2014-05-01T01:23:53 < ds2> couldn't do more as some parts are not fully charaterized
2014-05-01T01:23:59 < ds2> i.e. xtalk btwn mux channels
2014-05-01T01:24:02 < Laurenceb_> i dont get whats so awesome about PsoC
2014-05-01T01:24:03 < emeb> analysis & sim would be good - that stuff is not as easy as coding.
2014-05-01T01:24:12 < Laurenceb_> just looked like a marketing speel to me
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2014-05-01T01:24:31 < Laurenceb_> stm32 has pretty much the same features
2014-05-01T01:24:56 < emeb> Laurenceb_: there's an attraction about the programmable analog that people keep trying.
2014-05-01T01:25:05 < ds2> I can redraw stuff in LTspice
2014-05-01T01:25:23 < emeb> I haven't seen it ever done as well as just doing a good analog circuit tho
2014-05-01T01:25:34 < ds2> the stm32's voltage range was more limited or something like that
2014-05-01T01:25:44 < ds2> I had it narrowed down to a few processors before diving into the PSoC
2014-05-01T01:25:46 < emeb> PSoC analog is quite flexible, but the bandwidths are pretty narrow.
2014-05-01T01:26:00 < ds2> is it worse then 4000 CMOS?
2014-05-01T01:26:28 < emeb> oh, probably equivalent - maybe a bit better
2014-05-01T01:26:40 < ds2> problem is they don't say on the DS
2014-05-01T01:26:42 < emeb> the analog stuff can't really run > 30kHz or so.
2014-05-01T01:26:50 < ds2> that's PSoC1
2014-05-01T01:27:00 < ds2> i think there's app notes for somewhat faster
2014-05-01T01:27:05 < emeb> ah good.
2014-05-01T01:27:21 < ds2> it would be miles better if they would characterize more of it
2014-05-01T01:27:37 < ds2> I have a 4051 analog mux jsut cuz I donno if it would pass a 3MHz signal or not
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2014-05-01T01:28:31 < emeb> looks like that 4000-series PSoC has fairly limited analog functions
2014-05-01T01:28:47 < emeb> multiplexers, comparators, DACs
2014-05-01T01:28:55 < ds2> there are ADCs
2014-05-01T01:29:35 < englishman> http://www.cypress.com/?rID=94456
2014-05-01T01:29:40 < englishman> cool, for $30 i guess
2014-05-01T01:29:55 < englishman> remember, its $0.29
2014-05-01T01:30:05 < englishman> 1/6 price of atmega 328???
2014-05-01T01:30:07 < englishman> :)
2014-05-01T01:30:13 < emeb> seems that the feature they're focusing on is the capsense
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2014-05-01T01:40:13 < aadamson> OMG, not another *arduino compatible board*! :)
2014-05-01T01:47:26 < ds2> oh right...the other thing I didn't like about the stm32 for my use
2014-05-01T01:47:34 < ds2> there is no any to any mux on the pins
2014-05-01T01:47:48 < ds2> so I would have to lay out the board exactly the way I need it.
2014-05-01T01:49:07 < emeb> ds2: you know what a softrock is?
2014-05-01T01:49:29 < ds2> isn't that the sdr thingie?
2014-05-01T01:50:01 < emeb> ya - PC-oriented amateur radio receiver using SDR concepts
2014-05-01T01:50:35 < emeb> thinking of doing something with a similar front-end but doing the signal processing in an STM32
2014-05-01T01:50:49 < ds2> the M4 versions?
2014-05-01T01:50:56 < ds2> or the M0 versions? :D
2014-05-01T01:51:05 < emeb> ya - an F373 has the 16-bit SDADCs  that would work well
2014-05-01T01:51:19 < ds2> custom board or around a discovery?
2014-05-01T01:51:33 < emeb> I'm going to start using my F373 breakout.
2014-05-01T01:51:40 < emeb> probably end up with a custom board tho
2014-05-01T01:51:52 < ds2> Hmm... isn't softrock HF only?
2014-05-01T01:51:58 < emeb> yes
2014-05-01T01:52:13 < emeb> max input range is ~40MHz
2014-05-01T01:52:16 < ds2> HMmmmm
2014-05-01T01:52:26 < ds2> isn't the F373 the one with the LCD support?
2014-05-01T01:52:33 < emeb> don't think so
2014-05-01T01:52:41 < ds2> oh
2014-05-01T01:53:00 < emeb> the F429 has a built-in LCD driver & 2D gfx engine
2014-05-01T01:53:08 < ds2> toyed with the idea of using the LCD output for DDS as a LO
2014-05-01T01:53:20 < ds2> too many versions :(
2014-05-01T01:53:27 < emeb> yep - huge family
2014-05-01T01:56:44 < ds2> you using the internal ADCs?
2014-05-01T01:56:56 < ds2> IIRC, softrock is just sdr for IF, right?
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2014-05-01T02:19:07 < emeb> ds2: internal ADCs for what - the HF app I mentioned above?
2014-05-01T02:19:20 < ds2> yes
2014-05-01T02:19:27 < emeb> if so, yes that's the plan. No idea how well it will work.
2014-05-01T02:19:58 < emeb> the F373 has 3x 16-bit 50kHz SDADCs - I've done some quick tests that show they do perform pretty well.
2014-05-01T02:20:37 < emeb> so two of those sampling in parallel would work well for I/Q baseband inputs from the quadrature sampling mixer that the softrock uses.
2014-05-01T02:21:40 < emeb> and yes - softrock converts HF to low IF in the audio range, then does SDR at audio rates.
2014-05-01T02:23:19 < emeb> so that same approach could work well on an STM32 M4 processor - I've already got the necessary audio functions available from some of my synthesizer work so I know that it's possible.
2014-05-01T02:24:02 < ds2> is the 373 the one ST is marketing as an alternative to a pure DSP for audio work?
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2014-05-01T02:46:47 < emeb> ds2: I'm not sure. The 373 has 3 SDADC inputs and 3 DAC outputs, plus some internal analog routing. I suspect they're targeting it at some multi-channel DSC applications (power supplies, motor control) but that's not specifically stated.
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2014-05-01T03:39:19 < dongs> my nvidia devboard shipped
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2014-05-01T03:40:38 < ds2> for the GPUs?
2014-05-01T03:40:43 < dongs> yea the TK1 thing
2014-05-01T03:41:18 < ds2> is that available for the general public?
2014-05-01T03:41:43 < dongs> i think so, it was up for preorders from their site and i paypal'd it last month, i think it should be on newegg or something
2014-05-01T03:42:05 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813190005 still preorder on newegg
2014-05-01T03:42:09 < ds2> wow that is a big change
2014-05-01T03:42:21 < ds2> they used to require you to be a qualified developer to buy their boards
2014-05-01T03:42:32 < dongs> whats more ineteresting they evne have a full TRM for it
2014-05-01T03:42:55 < dongs> https://developer.nvidia.com/tegra-k1-technical-reference-manual
2014-05-01T03:43:03 < dongs> sure you gotta sign up for some crap but appears to be free
2014-05-01T03:43:09 < dongs> i have an account, too lazy to login to check if i can dl it
2014-05-01T03:43:22 < ds2> registered developers only
2014-05-01T03:43:30 < dongs> yea but im registered to something
2014-05-01T03:43:41 < ds2> for teh T2, they were picky
2014-05-01T03:44:55 < dongs> of course i cant remembver my pass
2014-05-01T03:45:34 < ds2> Hmmm this is a different site
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2014-05-01T05:09:02 < aadamson> so here's what it took... remember RX and TX DMA/IRQ are all active when this happens, and I write out the command to change the baud, right before I try to change the UART serial speed.  a) I have to wait for the DMA to finish; b) I then have to wait for the TXE flag to be set; c) then and only then can you wait for the TC flag to be set.  If I do those things all in
2014-05-01T05:09:18 < aadamson> while() ; loops, but separate ones, it works every time
2014-05-01T05:09:29 < aadamson> if I *don't* do one of those steps, any one of them, it doesn't work
2014-05-01T05:09:59 < aadamson> you would think I could just wait for the TC flag, but NO.
2014-05-01T05:10:12 < aadamson> because serial is frame based, the TC flag is set and cleared on each frame
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2014-05-01T05:32:08 < dongs> cool
2014-05-01T05:58:52 < dongs> huh how the fuck do I go back to USART remap after doing GPIO_PinRemapConfig(AFIO_MAPR_USART1_REMAP, ENABLE);
2014-05-01T05:58:57 < dongs> oh, i guess just DISABLE?
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2014-05-01T06:50:23 < dongs> hmm, rage. i can't do ADC_RegularChannelConfig before ADC_Init right
2014-05-01T06:50:45 < dongs> i have a dynamic adc crap and i have to do same conditions twice first to count channels and get their order and again to add them
2014-05-01T06:50:49 < dongs> lame
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2014-05-01T06:59:44 < dongs> what happens if I skip a rank index in DMA ADC
2014-05-01T06:59:52 < dongs> will it do the RIGHT THING
2014-05-01T07:00:07 < dongs> ie i have 2 channels in scan,  rank1, blank, rank3
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2014-05-01T08:52:09 < emeb_mac> so quiet
2014-05-01T08:55:13 < GargantuaSauce> moar blogs
2014-05-01T08:55:35 < GargantuaSauce> ive been thinking about the CV for pitch control from a micro thing
2014-05-01T08:56:27 < GargantuaSauce> seems like a PLL might be a reasonable solution
2014-05-01T08:57:34 < GargantuaSauce> either using the cv to control one octave and having an extra digital input for selecting the right output from a ripple counter for the phase feedback, or just using a timer comp output
2014-05-01T09:00:15 < dongs> im the only one blogging
2014-05-01T09:00:51 < GargantuaSauce> not exactly sure how FM would be worked into that solution, perhaps using a sample+hold and mixing in the fm signal only after the freq is locked (which would just take a few oscillations i imagine)
2014-05-01T09:04:13 < GargantuaSauce> slaving the oscillators to timers like that might be a pretty sweet solution, wouldn't have to worry about tuning or drift
2014-05-01T09:06:16 < GargantuaSauce> and it would free up the DACs for use as samplers or whatever
2014-05-01T09:10:09 < dongs> wtf, weird
2014-05-01T09:10:18 < dongs> so this stm32 fails writes @ 8004000 flash
2014-05-01T09:10:27 < dongs> Data not matching  at address :0x8004000.
2014-05-01T09:10:27 < dongs> The page may be write protected.
2014-05-01T09:10:27 < dongs> Please disable the write protection then try agin.
2014-05-01T09:10:31 < dongs> when verifying
2014-05-01T09:10:39 < dongs> but its not protected or anything
2014-05-01T09:10:44 < dongs> sounds like actually hosed flash
2014-05-01T09:11:05 < dongs> first one in a while
2014-05-01T09:14:23 < emeb_mac> GargantuaSauce: trying to understand what you're getting at
2014-05-01T09:15:55 < GargantuaSauce> well you mentioned that 12 bits isnt enough for a pitch CV, which would be true even if they weren't usually exponential
2014-05-01T09:16:31 < emeb_mac> GargantuaSauce: actually 12 bits is *almost* enough
2014-05-01T09:16:46 < GargantuaSauce> even at higher pitches? seems the linearity would become an issue
2014-05-01T09:16:54 < emeb_mac> in CV synth applications the expo function is usually done in the oscillator modules
2014-05-01T09:17:14 < emeb_mac> so the pitch CV is linear with note, not frequency
2014-05-01T09:17:21 < emeb_mac> 1V/octave is the std
2014-05-01T09:17:36 < emeb_mac> 0.0833V/halftone
2014-05-01T09:18:03 < GargantuaSauce> hmm i guess that makes it easier, not sure why i was thinking it complicated manners
2014-05-01T09:18:30 < emeb_mac> so for a 10 octave range (typical) and a 12-bit DAC you get about 3 cents/lsbit which is just on the threshold of detectable
2014-05-01T09:19:19 < emeb_mac> 5 cents is considered "noticeable"
2014-05-01T09:19:52 < GargantuaSauce> so i've been trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist
2014-05-01T09:20:02 < emeb_mac> oddly, most of the VCOs I've designed for audio applications use 12-bit ADCs
2014-05-01T09:20:05 < GargantuaSauce> i really need to get around to starting this project, because it's too damn cool not to
2014-05-01T09:20:16 < emeb_mac> what are you working on?
2014-05-01T09:20:25 < GargantuaSauce> some sort of mcu-controlled modular synth
2014-05-01T09:20:38 < emeb_mac> fun!
2014-05-01T09:20:52 < emeb_mac> have you done much study of existing synth modules?
2014-05-01T09:21:01 < GargantuaSauce> havent laid out the high level topology yet but i'm sort of thinking of having all the interconnections digitally switched
2014-05-01T09:21:23 < emeb_mac> that's ambitious
2014-05-01T09:21:25 < GargantuaSauce> so i can make presets like a normal fixed-function synth in addition to dicking around in the modular manner
2014-05-01T09:21:26 < GargantuaSauce> i know
2014-05-01T09:21:54 < GargantuaSauce> i've done a bit of research but not enough
2014-05-01T09:23:41 < emeb_mac> well, part of the fun of a modular synth is patching up non-intutive stuff
2014-05-01T09:24:00 < emeb_mac> like feeding back an oscillator's output to its control inputs
2014-05-01T09:24:03 < GargantuaSauce> yeah, which would basically require every i/o to be in one switchig matrix
2014-05-01T09:24:18 < GargantuaSauce> sooo it'll get pretty huge unless i figure out something clever
2014-05-01T09:24:34 < emeb_mac> yes - a huge NxM matrix to allow all possible interconnects
2014-05-01T09:25:26 < GargantuaSauce> i feel like there'd be some hierarchical solution that would allow a limited number of arbitrary interconnects and more with limitations
2014-05-01T09:25:57 < emeb_mac> there are ways of decomposing NxM into smaller matrices
2014-05-01T09:26:35 < emeb_mac> they do have limitations tho
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2014-05-01T09:34:38 < GargantuaSauce> probably just going to end up with a ridiculous lump of 4051s
2014-05-01T09:34:47 < GargantuaSauce> just remembered i bought 100 so that's a start.
2014-05-01T09:37:06 < dongs> im doing something mega stupid and it doesnt realyl work
2014-05-01T09:37:32 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/XCDDyF14.html should I expect this to work?
2014-05-01T09:38:48 < emeb_mac> GargantuaSauce: 4051s work
2014-05-01T09:41:07 < GargantuaSauce> looks like most bigger crossbar ICs are made for video and have large numbers of digits in their unit prices
2014-05-01T09:41:16 < emeb_mac> dongs: doesn't serialPrint() have built in TXE checking?
2014-05-01T09:41:32 < emeb_mac> GargantuaSauce: true dat
2014-05-01T09:41:51 < dongs> emeb_mac: well thats not the problem
2014-05-01T09:41:54 < dongs> im getting garbage mostly
2014-05-01T09:42:35 < GargantuaSauce> what does the good ol' LA have to say about it?
2014-05-01T09:43:26 < dongs> aha i had a bit of a cocks moment
2014-05-01T09:43:34 < emeb_mac> best kind
2014-05-01T09:43:40 < dongs>    01234567890 cocks 987654321
2014-05-01T09:43:42 < dongs> works now
2014-05-01T09:43:56 < emeb_mac> what changed?
2014-05-01T09:44:08 < dongs> gpio.speed = Speed_2MHz;
2014-05-01T09:44:09 < dongs> forgot this
2014-05-01T09:44:13 < dongs> when configuring pin
2014-05-01T09:44:21 < dongs> it was probably inited to something retarded
2014-05-01T09:44:24 < emeb_mac> too slow?
2014-05-01T09:44:35 < dongs> ya 0 is not a valid speed value
2014-05-01T09:44:36 < dongs> no
2014-05-01T09:44:47 < dongs> dunno but it didnt work
2014-05-01T09:44:48 < emeb_mac> "not even wrong"
2014-05-01T09:44:50 < dongs> didntr even tr working
2014-05-01T09:44:53 < englishman> isnt that why you're supposde to do initconf
2014-05-01T09:45:01 < dongs> a wat
2014-05-01T09:45:52 < englishman> GPIO_StructInit
2014-05-01T09:46:00 < englishman> to set sane defaults
2014-05-01T09:46:10 < englishman> if you forget to do one
2014-05-01T09:50:11 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/120922029475 ooh this would do
2014-05-01T09:51:56 < emeb_mac> ooo - 8x16
2014-05-01T09:52:05 < emeb_mac> PLCC - lol
2014-05-01T09:52:19  * emeb_mac used to work for ISIL :P
2014-05-01T09:53:01 < GargantuaSauce> looks like wuhan has them cheaper....never bought from them before though
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2014-05-01T12:39:23 < dongs> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupdongs
2014-05-01T12:39:28 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: you dont want to
2014-05-01T12:39:37 < dongs> annoying as cocks company
2014-05-01T12:39:46 < dongs> englishman: i wrote my own gpio
2014-05-01T12:39:49 < dongs> so no init
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2014-05-01T13:07:38 < GargantuaSauce> bad to deal with eh? guess i can handle paying an extra couple bucks each if i'm only getting a handful anyway
2014-05-01T13:08:41 < GargantuaSauce> but after thinking about it some more i may as well just use physical jacks, at least to start
2014-05-01T13:08:52 < GargantuaSauce> i am really awesome at trying to run before i can walk.
2014-05-01T13:17:28 < dongs> just install ubunto 14.04
2014-05-01T13:19:18 < GargantuaSauce> i use archlinux
2014-05-01T13:21:29 < GargantuaSauce> welp just about 7:30, may as well give up on trying to sleep
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2014-05-01T13:29:42 < dongs> 4051 will work to mux some usarts together?
2014-05-01T13:29:51 < dongs> o wait,, i dont need to mux them just tie all teh shit to one receiver
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2014-05-01T13:31:06 < GargantuaSauce> bunch of diodes and a pullup?
2014-05-01T13:31:21 < GargantuaSauce> kind of ghetto though
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2014-05-01T13:39:06 < dongs> dont need diodes
2014-05-01T13:39:12 < dongs> only one thing is on/transmitting at once
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2014-05-01T13:39:47 < GargantuaSauce> oh if they're floating when inactive then yeah that's fine
2014-05-01T13:39:51 < GargantuaSauce> otherwise they'll be driving high
2014-05-01T13:40:45 < dongs> right
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2014-05-01T13:44:28 < dongs> how goes airspy
2014-05-01T13:51:39 < Steffanx> he's not into chatz today.
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2014-05-01T14:03:19 < dongs> seems
2014-05-01T14:03:29 < dongs> is blight porting reactos to stm32
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2014-05-01T20:35:46 < Laurenceb__> any linux gurus here?
2014-05-01T20:35:58 < Laurenceb__> i want to try to debug fat32 on linux
2014-05-01T20:36:45 < emeb> heh. good luck with that
2014-05-01T20:37:25 < zyp> fsck.vfat?
2014-05-01T20:40:30 < qyx_> mkfs.vfat
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2014-05-01T20:42:54 < Laurenceb__> i need to see what deleted files are on the drive
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2014-05-01T20:44:01 < qyx_> there were some recovery tools which extracts files depending on their contents and not filesystem structure
2014-05-01T20:44:06 < qyx_> it should work on deleted files also
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2014-05-01T21:05:33 < SlaveToTheSauce> Laurenceb__: testdisk is what i used last i think
2014-05-01T21:06:13 < SlaveToTheSauce> image the broken disk and work from that
2014-05-01T21:08:25 < SlaveToTheSauce> no not testdisk...photorec!
2014-05-01T21:08:43 < Simon--> testdisk is handy these days
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2014-05-01T21:26:28 < qyx_> yep, photorec was that
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2014-05-01T23:57:04 < ds2> hmmm these $5 crayola light tables are pretty useful for gerber/PCB inspection
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2014-05-02T00:37:35 < gnomad> Come to think of it, the CCFL from an old LCD would probably be great for that, too.
2014-05-02T00:44:14 < ds2> I got better uses for the CCFL xformer
2014-05-02T00:44:21 < ds2> the nice thing about this thing is the 2AA power
2014-05-02T00:44:27 < ds2> could be brighter though
2014-05-02T00:44:55 < gnomad> I did a quick google and the interweb says they are more like $25.
2014-05-02T00:45:11 < gnomad> I got better uses for $25.  ;-)
2014-05-02T00:45:25 < ds2> I paid $5
2014-05-02T00:45:34 < ds2> but it was at a Big Lots
2014-05-02T00:45:39 < gnomad> aah
2014-05-02T00:45:45 < ds2> $25 would be a waste of time
2014-05-02T00:46:00 < ds2> for $25, I can get a low end photography one at the art store and it'd be brighter
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2014-05-02T05:15:54 < owl-v-> what does it mean in stm32f4  -> __ASM volatile ("dsb");
2014-05-02T05:16:17 < owl-v-> i get error -> (invalid instruction mnemonic 'dsb')
2014-05-02T05:19:36 < owl-v-> instruction barriers -> Data synchronization ->	DSB <flags>	1 + B
2014-05-02T05:19:48 < owl-v-> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0439b/CHDDIGAC.html
2014-05-02T05:20:14 < owl-v-> i don't know why __ASM volatile ("dsb"); is error
2014-05-02T05:20:46 < owl-v-> gcc said 'dsb' is an invalid instruction
2014-05-02T05:29:34 < dekar> owl-v-, it's your GCC then, using TNT I get no error.
2014-05-02T05:31:32 < owl-v-> ya, it was gcc.
2014-05-02T05:35:52 < dekar> why do you need synchronisation to begin with? I'm just curious :)
2014-05-02T05:37:14 < owl-v-> it was in STM32Cube_FW_F4_V1.1.0
2014-05-02T05:39:48 < owl-v-> main.o uses VFP reg args, stm32f4Temp does not. what is that mean?  https://www.refheap.com/84508
2014-05-02T05:42:13 < dekar> owl-v-, some parts have been compiled to use the VFP unit, others don't. they can't be linked since parameter passing isn't compatible.
2014-05-02T05:42:32 < owl-v-> then clean and build?
2014-05-02T05:43:12 < owl-v-> nop.
2014-05-02T05:44:20 < owl-v-> what's vfp?
2014-05-02T05:44:29 < dekar> vector floating point unit
2014-05-02T05:44:49 < dekar> I guess some parts use software floating point
2014-05-02T05:45:07 < owl-v-> is vfp soft float?
2014-05-02T05:45:42 < owl-v-> i want to use (-mthumb -mcpu=cortex-m4 -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16)
2014-05-02T05:45:49 < owl-v-> hard float
2014-05-02T05:46:36 < dekar> vfp is hard float
2014-05-02T05:46:52 < dekar> as well as other things
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2014-05-02T05:50:42 < dongs> sup pro chat
2014-05-02T05:50:58 < dongs> owl-v-: use cmsis builtins
2014-05-02T05:50:58 < dekar> sup dongs
2014-05-02T05:51:02 < dongs> im sure theres a __dsb() or similar;
2014-05-02T05:51:26 < owl-v-> dongs: i'm using cmsis
2014-05-02T05:51:29 < dekar> dongs, I think the problem was that CMSIS didn't compile :P
2014-05-02T05:51:29 < dongs> or maybe in caps __DSB();
2014-05-02T05:51:35 < dongs> it didnt?
2014-05-02T05:51:43 < owl-v-> dongs: what's cmsis builtins?
2014-05-02T05:52:03 < dongs> owl-v-: instructions like those defined inside cmsis/core.h or so that are compiler-portable
2014-05-02T05:52:14 < dongs> instead of using horrible platform-specific hacks like __asm
2014-05-02T05:52:40 < owl-v-> dongs: yes, the gcc was set to clang :P i have changed it to arm-gcc
2014-05-02T05:53:01 < owl-v-> dongs: that solved, but i have other problem.
2014-05-02T05:54:51 < owl-v-> i still have this problem: https://www.refheap.com/84508
2014-05-02T05:55:14 < dekar> owl-v-, I would assume you're building different parts of your project with different settings
2014-05-02T05:56:40 < owl-v-> ok, here is the complete output. https://www.refheap.com/84510
2014-05-02T05:59:02 < dongs> cube firmware is pretty aids
2014-05-02T05:59:35 < owl-v-> aids as 'AIDS'?
2014-05-02T05:59:51 < dekar> owl-v-, try whether that example works: https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT_Example
2014-05-02T06:02:08 < dekar> owl-v-, they teach non-standard English in Japan. He means that he doesn't like it.
2014-05-02T06:03:24 < dekar> hang around for a while and you'll learn the dialect :)
2014-05-02T06:05:10 < owl-v-> dekar: u mean japanese dialect?
2014-05-02T06:09:46 < owl-v-> this option caused the problem (-c -fmessage-length=0)
2014-05-02T06:09:58 < owl-v-> what does it do?
2014-05-02T06:10:50 < dekar> why did you add it if you don't know what it does?
2014-05-02T06:12:14 < owl-v-> it was there
2014-05-02T06:12:22 < owl-v-> i did't put it there
2014-05-02T06:13:09 < owl-v-> it's probably related to clang and osx
2014-05-02T06:15:52 < dekar> I am using OS X as well and clang doesn't add parameters to my makefiles
2014-05-02T06:17:17 < dongs> theres your problem
2014-05-02T06:17:25 < dongs> why do all the newfag hipsters insist on using osx
2014-05-02T06:17:32 < dongs> shit is completely fucking unusable
2014-05-02T06:17:43 < dongs> worse than lunix, since at least you can dick wiht lunix and make it work somewhat
2014-05-02T06:17:49 < dongs> but osx is just fucked by design, and you can't fix it
2014-05-02T06:18:47 < owl-v-> actually eclipse did that
2014-05-02T06:19:04 < owl-v-> eclipse generated makefile
2014-05-02T06:19:18 < dongs> I use armcc
2014-05-02T06:19:21 < dongs> no makefiles needed
2014-05-02T06:19:23 < dongs> and shit just works
2014-05-02T06:19:27 < dongs> and generates small code
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2014-05-02T06:23:00 < owl-v-> omg undefined reference to `BSP_LED_Toggle' when it is defined in stm32f4_discovery.h and -Included
2014-05-02T06:25:44 < owl-v-> oh what! BSP_led_Toggle defined from nucleo??? oh, no~
2014-05-02T06:25:57 <@dekar> owl-v-, since that's a header file it likely only contains the declaration of the function without the actual implementation.
2014-05-02T06:26:52 < owl-v-> i'm using discovery board and the declaration is from nucleo board :(
2014-05-02T06:28:19 <@dekar> in Drivers/BSP are implementations for other boards as well
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2014-05-02T06:32:49 < dongs> man stop copypasting shit without uinderstandin
2014-05-02T06:40:10 < owl-v-> i don't see y it would use nucleo over discovery
2014-05-02T06:41:40 < dongs> why would it matter? learn to understand what parts of code you need and use those
2014-05-02T06:42:18 < owl-v-> main.h -> stm32f4_discovery.h and BSP_LED_Toggle is in there...
2014-05-02T06:42:49 < dongs> theres nothing in stm32f4_discogvery that you ened
2014-05-02T06:42:58 < dongs> need
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2014-05-02T06:52:45 < owl-v-> :(
2014-05-02T06:53:44 < owl-v-> discovery folder and nucleo folder is different yet it still use nucleo's function :(
2014-05-02T06:56:28 < dongs> what hardware is this?
2014-05-02T06:56:34 < dongs> all you need is stm32f4_stdperiphlib
2014-05-02T06:56:59 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF257901
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2014-05-02T07:06:52 < owl-v-> im using stm32cube
2014-05-02T07:07:14 < dongs> why?
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2014-05-02T07:15:30 < owl-v-> i'm thinking about buying neucleo board
2014-05-02T07:15:48 < owl-v-> and stm32cube looks organized better
2014-05-02T07:24:52 < owl-v-> this is my output: https://www.refheap.com/84635
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2014-05-02T12:36:03 < karlp> GargantuaSauce: when you and emeb were talking about 12bit pitch/freq stuff, what did "cents" mean, in the context of 3 vs 5 cents/lsb?
2014-05-02T12:41:38 < Laurenceb__> how can i find the end of heap?
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2014-05-02T12:46:11 < SlaveToTheSauce_> karlp: a cent is 1% of a semitone
2014-05-02T12:47:07 < SlaveToTheSauce_> so the ratio is uh...the 1200th root of 2
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2014-05-02T12:54:14 < karlp> SlaveToTheSauce_: thanks
2014-05-02T12:56:22 < dongs> i thoguht cent was liek 1/10th or something of note
2014-05-02T12:56:24 < dongs> but yea watever
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2014-05-02T12:58:57 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lix3d/lix-the-smallest-3d-printing-pen-in-the-world holy fuck
2014-05-02T13:01:47 < SlaveToTheSauce_> omg
2014-05-02T13:01:56 < SlaveToTheSauce_> they are going to make BANK selling cut chunks of pla filament
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2014-05-02T13:03:17 < dongs> so its a hot glue gun
2014-05-02T13:03:22 < dongs> last one that tried this made 2.3mil
2014-05-02T13:03:24 < dongs> 3doodler shit
2014-05-02T13:03:35 < SlaveToTheSauce_> glue gun with a ~motor~
2014-05-02T13:03:42 < dongs> no motor in that one?
2014-05-02T13:04:07 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/001/935/653/0ef53c2b69a2df27649200156ad505c0_large.png?1398683611
2014-05-02T13:04:17 < dongs> gotta love  those 'concept drawings' that look like the final product
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2014-05-02T13:05:43 < dongs> Our biggest challenge, however, was by far, this campaign. We want to deliver this product to everyone . making something that never existed before, and deliver it properly. We have been working on this preparation to the best of our ability, to take this new leap forward, and what we need now is the encouragement and support from backers.
2014-05-02T13:05:48 < dongs> haha
2014-05-02T13:06:55 < dongs> One bag of refills will contain 30 straight rods of coloured plastic filaments and they will not cost more than 10 dollars for a bag. The exact price is not yet defined because we are still working on it.
2014-05-02T13:06:59 < dongs> Length ~30cm(11.8in)
2014-05-02T13:20:14 < SlaveToTheSauce_> so about 40 grams of pla in that bag of ~10m
2014-05-02T13:20:34 < SlaveToTheSauce_> bulk reels are ~$28/kg
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2014-05-02T13:23:14 < Laurenceb__> __malloc_current_mallinfo
2014-05-02T13:23:24 < Laurenceb__> is that current malloced ram count?
2014-05-02T13:23:44 < SlaveToTheSauce_> you could also just allocate a block bigger than any contiguous free space and check its address
2014-05-02T13:23:53 < Laurenceb__> ah yeah
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2014-05-02T13:41:50 < dongs> anyone here has a wavefield dish?
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2014-05-02T13:55:28 < dekar> owl-v-, have you solved your undefined reference problems?
2014-05-02T13:56:04 < dekar> those are linker errors, it's not related to the declarations in the header files, you need the compile and link the actual implementations
2014-05-02T14:10:52 < Laurenceb__> can anyone help me to understand size output?
2014-05-02T14:11:01 < Laurenceb__> im getting unrealisitcally large bss sizes
2014-05-02T14:13:46 < dekar> Laurenceb__, you might want the linker to generate a .map file and have a look at that
2014-05-02T14:13:53 < Laurenceb__> ok
2014-05-02T14:14:28 < dekar> -Wl,-Map=my.map
2014-05-02T14:14:50 < Laurenceb__> yeah got it
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2014-05-02T14:22:22 < Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/9133265
2014-05-02T14:22:37 < Laurenceb__>   text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
2014-05-02T14:22:37 < Laurenceb__>   66680	   2528	  12020	  81228	  13d4c	main.elf
2014-05-02T14:22:42 < Laurenceb__> wtf is going on?
2014-05-02T14:24:48 < dekar> can you paste the complete map?
2014-05-02T14:24:52 < Laurenceb__> k
2014-05-02T14:27:06 < Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/9133277
2014-05-02T14:27:12 < Laurenceb__> thats been trimmed
2014-05-02T14:28:35 < owl-v-> dekar: not yet
2014-05-02T14:36:11 < dekar> Laurenceb__, I'd probably place somewhat of an .bss_end symbol in your linker script to be sure, but to me it looks like your .bss starts at 0x200009e0 and ends at 0x20001890.
2014-05-02T14:36:35 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats where my first malloc call is allocated to
2014-05-02T14:37:09 < Laurenceb__> so it looks like im nowhere close to a stack/heap collision
2014-05-02T14:37:21 < Laurenceb__> why does size give such a large bss ?
2014-05-02T14:37:34 < dekar> oh there is, _ebss at 0x200018d4
2014-05-02T14:37:43 < Laurenceb__> ah
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2014-05-02T14:40:15 < dekar> Laurenceb__, for my firmware the output of size matches perfectly with what I see in my map, same number of bytes
2014-05-02T14:40:26 < Laurenceb__> how odd
2014-05-02T14:40:46 < Laurenceb__> are you using lots of libraries?
2014-05-02T14:41:38 < Laurenceb__> im wonderif if size is getting confused
2014-05-02T14:42:27 < dekar> try "arm-none-eabi-size -A -x my.elf"
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2014-05-02T14:43:34 < Laurenceb__> ah
2014-05-02T14:43:36 < dekar> I use quite a few libraries, but I actually compile them with my project.
2014-05-02T14:43:37 < Laurenceb__> 3812 bytes
2014-05-02T14:44:37 < dekar> did you call it without parameters before? that still reports the correct size for me.
2014-05-02T14:45:03 < dongs> bss?
2014-05-02T14:45:07 < Laurenceb__> yeah without parameters
2014-05-02T14:45:16 < dongs> doesnt it mean you ahv a bunch of shitty huge arrays/vars
2014-05-02T14:45:20 < Laurenceb__> arm-none-eabi-size main.elf
2014-05-02T14:45:38 < Laurenceb__> bss is 3812 bytes
2014-05-02T14:45:38 < dekar> dongs, obviously the real bss is only 4k
2014-05-02T14:45:49 < Laurenceb__> i have 20k of ram, so it should be fine
2014-05-02T14:46:19 < dongs> duno i dont use lunix
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2014-05-02T14:49:43 < Laurenceb__> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lunix&defid=985706
2014-05-02T14:49:54 < Laurenceb__> http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/501410224208150642
2014-05-02T14:50:09 < dongs> fuck yes
2014-05-02T14:50:14 < dongs> Laurenceb__: what did you google to get that ad
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2014-05-02T14:50:48 < Laurenceb__> it was on urban disctionary
2014-05-02T14:50:57 < SlaveToTheSauce_> what an inaccurate definition
2014-05-02T14:51:03 < SlaveToTheSauce_> you can't run linux on a 6510!
2014-05-02T14:51:03 < dongs> o luzl
2014-05-02T14:51:58 < dekar> SlaveToTheSauce_, you can, just write an ARM emulator for that :)
2014-05-02T14:55:56 < SlaveToTheSauce_> hmm, maybe with external ram on the user port...
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2014-05-02T14:56:31 < dongs> like that russian guy did with failmega2560, sdram stick, and arm emulator
2014-05-02T14:56:37 < dekar> just use a modem to call your NAS and swap on that :)
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2014-05-02T15:06:28 < __rob> hello
2014-05-02T15:07:08 < __rob> I'm getting a hard fault on casting a char* to a uint16_t* and dereferencing, I was basically just trying to compare for '\r\n'
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2014-05-02T15:07:40 < __rob> I assume the hardfault is because the uint16_t* is not aligned ?
2014-05-02T15:08:19 < __rob> is there a way around this
2014-05-02T15:08:39 < SlaveToTheSauce> think you're going to have to compare bytewise
2014-05-02T15:08:41 < __rob> or just to use str compare functions instead
2014-05-02T15:08:47 < __rob> ok
2014-05-02T15:08:49 < SlaveToTheSauce> yeah or that.
2014-05-02T15:09:21 < SlaveToTheSauce> if this is for interacting with a terminal remember that \r\n is specifically a windows thing
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2014-05-02T15:11:35 < __rob> its for a module thats is using that before and after each line it sends
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2014-05-02T15:24:46 < karlp> SlaveToTheSauce: and, ugly protocols that decided to build that into the spec
2014-05-02T15:28:06 < Laurenceb__> http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100318162525/uncyclopedia/images/c/cf/LVMPD.jpg
2014-05-02T15:28:08 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
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2014-05-02T15:29:27 < dongs> no clue
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2014-05-02T15:43:49 < owl-v-> anyone using stm32cube?
2014-05-02T15:44:47 < dongs> nope, we're all smarter than that
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2014-05-02T15:58:43 < owl-v-> in Drivers/BSP/STM32F4-Discovery/stm32f4_discovery_accelerometer.h it has [#include "..\Components\list302dl\lis302dl.h"] and i don't know how to include it
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2014-05-02T16:15:39 < owl-v-> dongs: which library do u recommend?
2014-05-02T16:17:10 < dekar> owl-v-, #include "..\Components\lis302dl\lis302dl.h" (without t)
2014-05-02T16:17:29 < dekar> also note the windows style slashes
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2014-05-02T16:17:48 < dekar> why don't you just stay away from that cube stuff?
2014-05-02T16:18:10 < owl-v-> dekar: thanks for that windows style
2014-05-02T16:18:28 < owl-v-> cube sounds cool
2014-05-02T16:19:01 < emeb> what's cool about cube? it's fairly annoying compared to stdperiph
2014-05-02T16:20:04 < synic> you can click buttons and out pops some code you don't understand
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2014-05-02T16:20:53 < owl-v-> i read "This software is now fully integrated into STM32Cube You can still download the package, but it is 'DEPRECATED' and not recommended for new designs": http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF257904
2014-05-02T16:25:56 < owl-v-> i don't understand what they r trying to do.
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2014-05-02T16:28:46 < Laurenceb__> how can i debug code that locks up occasionally?
2014-05-02T16:29:05 < Laurenceb__> something is locking up and watchdog is resetting the processor
2014-05-02T16:29:40 < Laurenceb__> i thiought of windowed watchdog, but it cant delay long enough
2014-05-02T16:29:41 < dekar> Laurenceb__, disable the watchdog and have a look where it locks up using JTAG?
2014-05-02T16:29:50 < Laurenceb__> i dont have access to the hardware
2014-05-02T16:30:00 < Laurenceb__> well i dont, but the bug is too rare to replicate
2014-05-02T16:30:19 < Laurenceb__> so i was going to send a firmware update to the users, then try to log the bug in some way
2014-05-02T16:30:33 < Laurenceb__> but windowed watchdog cant delay long enough for this
2014-05-02T16:30:54 < Laurenceb__> bug is about once every 1000hours
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2014-05-02T16:31:14 < Laurenceb__> oh i know
2014-05-02T16:31:30 < Laurenceb__> do i dont grrrr
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2014-05-02T16:31:55 < Laurenceb__> hardfault handlers and stuff, can a systick interrupt be called once they ar eentered?
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2014-05-02T16:41:13 < owl-v-> how can i not use stm32cube after reading this?  http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF257904
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2014-05-02T16:44:11 < emeb> Laurenceb__: don't interrupts get disabled when the fault handlers are called?
2014-05-02T16:44:27 < emeb> you could log the error and reset though.
2014-05-02T16:44:29 < Laurenceb__> thats what im trying to understant
2014-05-02T16:44:38 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-05-02T16:44:51 < Laurenceb__> i suspect i need interrupts to log the error
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2014-05-02T16:45:08 < Laurenceb__> maybe i can write a custom logger thingy
2014-05-02T16:45:27 < emeb> make all handlers point to the same place. when called, figure out why then re-enable & log?
2014-05-02T16:46:13 < emeb> look at the processor status, do a backtrace & build a crash log.
2014-05-02T16:47:23 < Laurenceb__> yeah thats what im aiming for
2014-05-02T16:48:47 < emeb> zyp probably already has that figured out in laks :)
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2014-05-02T16:51:08 < zyp> figured out what?
2014-05-02T16:51:32 < emeb> making fault handlers do crash logging
2014-05-02T16:51:44 < zyp> fault handlers have priority like any other handles, hardfault has a hardcoded priority higher than everything else and thus can't be preempted
2014-05-02T16:52:21 < Laurenceb__> nothing can nest inside it?
2014-05-02T16:52:28 < zyp> exactly
2014-05-02T16:52:33 < Laurenceb__> got it
2014-05-02T16:53:02 < zyp> you can enable the usagefault/busfault/etc… handlers so those kind of errors won't be promoted to hardfault
2014-05-02T16:53:16 < zyp> and I believe those then can be set to lower priority than other handlers
2014-05-02T16:53:20 < Laurenceb__> ok
2014-05-02T16:53:27 < Laurenceb__> but i dont know what the error is
2014-05-02T16:53:35 < zyp> or maybe not, dunno
2014-05-02T16:53:45 < Laurenceb__> so ill just write a logging function and call from the handlers
2014-05-02T16:54:02 < emeb> point all the handlers at the function
2014-05-02T16:54:05 < Laurenceb__> ill add something in systick to check the watchdog timer value
2014-05-02T16:54:13 < Laurenceb__> and call the function if tis about the reset
2014-05-02T16:54:29 < Laurenceb__> then all potential sources should be covered
2014-05-02T17:12:20 < Laurenceb__> how do i make all the handlers point to the same function?
2014-05-02T17:12:28 < Laurenceb__> im trying this
2014-05-02T17:12:30 < Laurenceb__> http://www.freertos.org/Debugging-Hard-Faults-On-Cortex-M-Microcontrollers.html
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2014-05-02T17:16:38 < Laurenceb__> theres got to be a nicer way than c&p 5 times
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2014-05-02T17:18:16 < vadmeste> Hello everybody. I have f_open hangs when I try to open a file stored in usb storage key (stm32f429i-discov). Please let me know if someone did see that before or could help
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2014-05-02T17:39:09 < Laurenceb__> can someone explain this code?
2014-05-02T17:39:11 < Laurenceb__> http://www.freertos.org/Debugging-Hard-Faults-On-Cortex-M-Microcontrollers.html
2014-05-02T17:39:20 < Laurenceb__> ldr r1, [r0, #24]   <- why?
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2014-05-02T17:42:17 < gxti> Laurenceb__: when hardfault (or any other interrupt) runs the previous registers are stacked, so that reaches up and grabs them
2014-05-02T17:42:27 < Laurenceb__> sure
2014-05-02T17:42:34 < Laurenceb__> but whats it doing with r1?
2014-05-02T17:43:10 < gxti> that's the first argument to the function call it does two lines down
2014-05-02T17:43:19 < Laurenceb__> i thought it would be r0?
2014-05-02T17:43:23 < Laurenceb__> due to EABI
2014-05-02T17:43:26 < gxti> i think anyway, i'm not an assembly wizard
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2014-05-02T17:45:44 < Laurenceb__> shrug
2014-05-02T17:45:53 < Laurenceb__> im going to delete that line
2014-05-02T17:46:40 < gxti> you might be right. the one i use only looks at r0.
2014-05-02T17:47:17 < gxti> loading the function into a register then calling it is pretty weird too
2014-05-02T17:47:40 < Laurenceb__> yeah
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2014-05-02T18:20:49 < Laurenceb__> warning: 'NMI_Handler' defined but not used [-Wunused-function]
2014-05-02T18:20:49 < Laurenceb__>  static void NMI_Handler(void)
2014-05-02T18:20:52 < Laurenceb__> the heck
2014-05-02T18:21:31 < owl-v-> interrupt not enabled?
2014-05-02T18:22:12 < madis_> that does not look like a call to me
2014-05-02T18:22:32 < owl-v-> where is the function?
2014-05-02T18:23:42 < Laurenceb__> static void NMI_Handler( void ) __attribute__( ( naked ) );
2014-05-02T18:23:51 < Laurenceb__> in some code thats part of the project
2014-05-02T18:23:55 < owl-v-> that's function prototype
2014-05-02T18:24:00 < Laurenceb__> sure
2014-05-02T18:24:28 < owl-v-> function declaration is like  "int function (void) {return 0}"
2014-05-02T18:24:32 < emeb> naked and petrified. covered in hot grits
2014-05-02T18:24:36 < Laurenceb__> yes
2014-05-02T18:24:55 < owl-v-> ye~s~
2014-05-02T18:24:59 < Laurenceb__> i cant see anything in the disasm
2014-05-02T18:25:09 < Laurenceb__> its not there
2014-05-02T18:25:25 < owl-v-> where is the function?
2014-05-02T18:25:34 < Laurenceb__> in a c file thats part of the project
2014-05-02T18:26:06 < owl-v-> did u enable the interrupt for that function?
2014-05-02T18:26:17 < Laurenceb__> you dont need to
2014-05-02T18:26:29 < Laurenceb__> for these fault interrupts
2014-05-02T18:26:30 < owl-v-> well then it's not used
2014-05-02T18:26:36 < Laurenceb__> no
2014-05-02T18:26:42 < Laurenceb__> the compile doesnt even know how it works
2014-05-02T18:26:47 < Laurenceb__> *compiler
2014-05-02T18:26:56 < Laurenceb__> something is wrong
2014-05-02T18:27:17 < Steffanx> No reference to it in some nice vector table Laurenceb__ ?
2014-05-02T18:27:23 < Laurenceb__> nope
2014-05-02T18:27:27 < Laurenceb__> oh
2014-05-02T18:27:38 < Laurenceb__> yeah ive read through and the same name appears
2014-05-02T18:28:37 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2014-05-02T18:28:41 < Laurenceb__> its in the MAP file
2014-05-02T18:28:47 < Laurenceb__> i suspect LTO is killing it
2014-05-02T18:29:54 < Laurenceb__> yes that was the issue
2014-05-02T18:30:33 < Steffanx> it probably has a good reason to actually optimize it away.
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2014-05-02T18:35:23 < SlaveToTheSauce> wait what
2014-05-02T18:35:51 < SlaveToTheSauce> even though there's one or more weak references to it?
2014-05-02T18:36:09 < Laurenceb__> yes
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2014-05-02T19:20:24 < Laurenceb__> ok so that part works
2014-05-02T19:20:40 < Laurenceb__> i now have lockup detection in the systick interrupt
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2014-05-02T19:21:01 < Laurenceb__> but how can i trace the previous code that got interrupted?
2014-05-02T19:24:55 < SlaveToTheSauce> dump the whole stack to flash?
2014-05-02T19:25:30 < Laurenceb__> i guess the systick isr isnt going to have stuck much more on
2014-05-02T19:25:45 < Laurenceb__> just loop back by a few hundred bytes?
2014-05-02T19:27:40 < Laurenceb__> is that a stacktrace?
2014-05-02T19:28:55 < SlaveToTheSauce> you'd need to use gdb to interpret the dump and get a stacktrace
2014-05-02T19:29:03 < SlaveToTheSauce> i am not familiar with the process
2014-05-02T19:31:40 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2014-05-02T19:31:54 < Laurenceb__> do i need mean stack pointer or process stack pointer?
2014-05-02T19:31:59 < Laurenceb__> theres no os on here
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2014-05-02T19:50:39 < Laurenceb__> anyone here used bluetooth modules in linux?
2014-05-02T19:51:04 < Laurenceb__> any ideas why im getting "device or resource busy" errors trying to connect?
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2014-05-02T19:51:35 < Steffanx> crap claiming the device?
2014-05-02T19:51:41 < Laurenceb__> and "sorry, could not find a PTY"
2014-05-02T19:51:44 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-05-02T19:51:51 < Laurenceb__> oh modem manager perhaps
2014-05-02T19:52:24 < Laurenceb__> mope i already killed it
2014-05-02T19:52:27 < Laurenceb__> weird
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2014-05-02T20:00:26 < Laurenceb__> hmm no luck
2014-05-02T20:00:32 < Laurenceb__> going to have to find a windows machine
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2014-05-02T20:07:18 < owl-v-_> i'm having trouble running discoveryboard
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2014-05-02T20:08:36 < Laurenceb__> im having trouble running anything
2014-05-02T20:08:58 < Laurenceb__> bluetooth is an utter failure
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2014-05-02T20:14:17 < Steffanx> How can something you use be a failure mr Laurenceb__ ?
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2014-05-02T20:30:04 < owl-v-_> lol there is no binary linaro toolchain
2014-05-02T20:30:15 < owl-v-_> or binary linaro gcc
2014-05-02T20:34:00 < Laurenceb__> wut Steffanx
2014-05-02T20:34:02 < Laurenceb__> grrr
2014-05-02T20:34:09 < Laurenceb__> im going to solder wries on at this rate
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2014-05-02T20:42:18 < SlaveToTheSauce> owl-v-_: what distro?
2014-05-02T20:42:46 < owl-v-_> osx
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2014-05-02T20:43:13 < SlaveToTheSauce> ah...well have fun!
2014-05-02T20:43:21 < SlaveToTheSauce> compiling gcc builds character
2014-05-02T20:45:20 < owl-v-_> anyway, i can't compile gpio example of discoveryboard
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2014-05-02T20:51:57 < SlaveToTheSauce> have you tried using one that doesn't involve cube?
2014-05-02T20:52:12 < owl-v-_> i have
2014-05-02T20:52:55 < owl-v-_> STM32F4xx_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.3.0;   but still having trouble
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2014-05-02T21:03:37 < __rob> owl-v-_ what are your errors
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2014-05-02T21:09:58 < owl-v-_> i have -Included all header files and still shows undefined reference to `HASH_SetLastWordValidBitsNbr'
2014-05-02T21:14:06 < __rob> have you looks for where the declaration of that is? and where its used?
2014-05-02T21:14:14 < __rob> then make sure you include whatever c file defines it
2014-05-02T21:14:20 < __rob> in your project
2014-05-02T21:14:33 < owl-v-_> yes
2014-05-02T21:14:35 < __rob> first result on google..
2014-05-02T21:14:36 < __rob> http://www.lirmm.fr/~gil/Temp/roverSTM/Libraries/STM32F4xx_StdPeriph_Driver/src/stm32f4xx_hash_md5.c
2014-05-02T21:14:40 < owl-v-_> https://www.refheap.com/85033
2014-05-02T21:14:44 < __rob> so make sure your compiling this file..
2014-05-02T21:14:57 < __rob> so the linker can resolve that symbol with some actual code
2014-05-02T21:15:39 < __rob> yes, undefined reference means it cant find the actual code that your telling your program to use
2014-05-02T21:16:25 < __rob> when you include a header file, your just saying "this function exists, that takes these arguments, and returns X"
2014-05-02T21:16:56 < owl-v-_> that fine is in periph_Driver/src/ directory, so it's included
2014-05-02T21:16:59 < __rob> the linker then looks at all these places you have called whatever function, nad tried to resolve that to some actual code
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2014-05-02T21:17:38 < owl-v-_> periph_Driver/inc also included
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2014-05-02T21:21:23 < __rob> what about stm32f4xx_hash.c this file
2014-05-02T21:21:34 < __rob> at the top of hash_md5.c it says
2014-05-02T21:21:42 < __rob>   *          It uses the stm32f4xx_hash.c/.h drivers to access the STM32F4xx HASH peripheral.
2014-05-02T21:22:04 < __rob> https://github.com/sebseb7/pentstm32f4_discovery/blob/master/STM32F4xx_StdPeriph_Driver/src/stm32f4xx_hash.c
2014-05-02T21:22:15 < __rob> this actually defines that function "HASH_SetLastWordValidBitsNbr"
2014-05-02T21:22:32 < __rob> line 297
2014-05-02T21:22:57 < __rob> if you make sure this file is compiled aswell with your project, then i reckon your problems will go away
2014-05-02T21:23:14 < __rob> seems to include most if not all of the undefined symbols listed in your compile log
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2014-05-02T21:23:34 < owl-v-> bad network
2014-05-02T21:23:44 < __rob> i'll paste what I said to you
2014-05-02T21:24:12 < owl-v-> __rob: thanks
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2014-05-02T21:25:58 < owl-v-_> wat's wrong with the network...
2014-05-02T21:27:26 < owl-v-_> um... what's assert_param()?
2014-05-02T21:27:42 < owl-v-_> in stm32f4xx_hash.c
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2014-05-02T21:31:27 < owl-v-_> ok, this is my actual first error when compiled.. https://www.refheap.com/85034
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2014-05-02T21:32:18 < __rob> it tells you what the error is exactly
2014-05-02T21:32:41 < __rob> RCC_Clocks is a pointer
2014-05-02T21:33:08 < __rob> ->
2014-05-02T21:36:16 < __rob> infact, if you read above, its not that
2014-05-02T21:36:31 < __rob> its that it doesn't know what RCC_ClocksTypeDef is
2014-05-02T21:36:45 < __rob> your missing an include
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2014-05-02T21:38:29 < owl-v-_> the type is defined in stm32f4xx_rcc.h
2014-05-02T21:39:13 < owl-v-_> which also is in STM32F4xx_StdPeriph_Driver/inc
2014-05-02T21:39:45 < __rob> and your main.c includes that file ?
2014-05-02T21:47:05 < owl-v-_> if i include that and i get this https://www.refheap.com/85037
2014-05-02T21:48:54 < owl-v-_> RCC_GetClocksFreq is defined in stm32f4xx_rcc.h and it is also #included and -Included
2014-05-02T21:51:27 < __rob> show your main.c file
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2014-05-02T21:54:33 < owl-v-_> main.c https://www.refheap.com/85039
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2014-05-02T21:54:43 < owl-v-_> main.h https://www.refheap.com/85041
2014-05-02T21:56:02 < owl-v-_> (#define USE_STDPERIPH_DRIVER 1) should enable stm32f4xx.h to include stm32f4xx_conf.h
2014-05-02T21:56:13 < __rob> stm32f4xx_rcc.c
2014-05-02T21:56:15 < __rob> its in this file
2014-05-02T21:56:19 < __rob> you need to be compiling that aswell
2014-05-02T21:56:48 < __rob> in rcc.h is the declaration, not the definition
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2014-05-02T22:08:04 < owl-v-_> rcc.c is in the source directory
2014-05-02T22:08:26 < owl-v-_> rcc.h is included
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2014-05-02T22:10:01 < owl-v-_> makefile1 https://www.refheap.com/85046
2014-05-02T22:10:12 < owl-v-_> makefile2 https://www.refheap.com/85045
2014-05-02T22:10:21 < owl-v-_> makefile generated from eclipse
2014-05-02T22:21:12 < owl-v-_> i changed to use internal build
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2014-05-02T22:21:42 < owl-v-_> https://www.refheap.com/85048
2014-05-02T22:21:56 < owl-v-_> undefined reference to `main'?
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2014-05-03T00:17:24 < Laurenceb_> i seem to have some issues
2014-05-03T00:17:47 < Laurenceb_> __get_MSP() _seems_ to be giving junk values
2014-05-03T00:17:51 < Laurenceb_> am i doing it wrong?
2014-05-03T00:18:00 < Laurenceb_> no RTOS here
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2014-05-03T00:33:56 < Laurenceb_> hmm nvm, im screwing it up
2014-05-03T00:34:26 < Steffanx> hah
2014-05-03T00:35:54 < Laurenceb_> looped past the end of ram and killed everything
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2014-05-03T00:53:30 < owl-v-> what is this mean? https://www.refheap.com/85054
2014-05-03T00:54:07 < owl-v-> i don't see function 'exit' and '_exit'
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2014-05-03T01:01:06 < Steffanx> owl-v-, you have to provide a _exit stub, or like with newlib or something that provides it,
2014-05-03T01:01:16 < Steffanx>  /like/link/
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2014-05-03T01:20:01 < owl-v-> omom
2014-05-03T01:20:28 < owl-v-> standard library didn't have that
2014-05-03T01:21:35 < owl-v-> what's use of _exit?
2014-05-03T01:23:07 < zyp> something to do if main returns
2014-05-03T01:30:07 < owl-v-> um.. i don't know where to put .global _exit; _exit: b .;
2014-05-03T01:30:34 < owl-v-> i added void _exit(void) function in main.c but it didn't work
2014-05-03T01:34:35 < owl-v-> i changed it to [ void _exit (int e) ]
2014-05-03T01:34:40 < owl-v-> it passed
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2014-05-03T01:38:44 < owl-v-> no, it didn't work   https://www.refheap.com/85055
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2014-05-03T01:51:05 < owl-v-_> omg..
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2014-05-03T02:05:11 < owl-v-> y y y?
2014-05-03T02:06:43 < owl-v-> Steffanx: i want to use syscalls.c but do i just put it in the source directory? i'm using eclipse to generate makefile.
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2014-05-03T02:44:42 < dongs> sup dongs
2014-05-03T02:44:46 < dongs> owl-v-: stdperiphli
2014-05-03T02:44:47 < dongs> b
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2014-05-03T06:39:39 < GargantuaSauce> upgrdman: put the mosfet driver as close to the gate as possible to minimize inductance
2014-05-03T06:39:45 < GargantuaSauce> and add a series resistance
2014-05-03T06:40:32 < GargantuaSauce> (and decouple the driver's power supply)
2014-05-03T06:41:07 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce: found out it was simple ground bounce.
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2014-05-03T06:42:01 < upgrdman> and ya... i should put a cap across the fets supply
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2014-05-03T06:45:52 < GargantuaSauce> ground impedance certainly would be a big factor, but usually the main one is the wire+gate basically being an LC and happily ringing like a bell being struck
2014-05-03T06:46:32 < GargantuaSauce> so a series resistance of like 10 ohms is typical to limit the current and lower the Q
2014-05-03T06:49:20 < upgrdman> the inverter output (drains) was soldered directly to the "load" (gates of parallel fets)
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2014-05-03T06:53:06 < upgrdman> cleaner waveform:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_1cvTiH4As
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2014-05-03T06:56:08 < GargantuaSauce> cool
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2014-05-03T09:06:12 < dongs> https://twitter.com/jordanweaver/status/458809162567135232
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2014-05-03T09:21:21 < owl-v-> do u make ur own makefile or generate makefile?
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2014-05-03T09:32:14 < englishman> whats a makefile
2014-05-03T09:33:29 < owl-v-> Makefile
2014-05-03T09:33:43 < englishman> sorry, whats a Makefile
2014-05-03T09:34:21 < owl-v-> a script that's used for compiling source code :)
2014-05-03T09:34:27 < englishman> oh
2014-05-03T09:34:31 < englishman> i have a button for that
2014-05-03T09:34:34 < englishman> i click it
2014-05-03T09:34:39 < owl-v-> which ide?
2014-05-03T09:34:43 < englishman> keil
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2014-05-03T09:57:34 < dekar> owl-v-, how about you try https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT_Example
2014-05-03T09:57:55 < dekar> it comes with a makefile and should compile as is
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2014-05-03T13:08:07 < Tectu> did anybody in here ever use FreeRTOS on windows?
2014-05-03T13:08:58 < dongs> .. on windows?
2014-05-03T13:09:00 < dongs> to do what
2014-05-03T13:09:02 < dongs> also fuck freertos
2014-05-03T13:09:13 < Tectu> there's some freertos simulator
2014-05-03T13:09:14 < dongs> Tectu: you asked me something last time
2014-05-03T13:09:17 < dongs> and i forogt waht it was
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2014-05-03T13:09:28 < dongs> you highlighted me but when i was going to reply you were gone
2014-05-03T13:09:34 < Tectu> dongs, uhm
2014-05-03T13:09:37 < Tectu> dongs, not sure anymore
2014-05-03T13:09:43 < dongs> yes it was over 96 hours ago
2014-05-03T13:09:59 < Tectu> dongs, was it just some  "dongs?"   or some real question?
2014-05-03T13:10:03 < dongs> real question
2014-05-03T13:10:24 < Tectu> let's see if I have scrollback log here
2014-05-03T13:10:26 < dongs> i cant remember waht the fuck about tho
2014-05-03T13:10:55 < Tectu> <Tectu> dongs, the CMSIS RTOS really just is an interface description, right? And an RTOS like ChibiOS/RT or FreeRTOS does now have to implement/forward the stuff?
2014-05-03T13:11:15 < Tectu> that it was
2014-05-03T13:11:44 < dongs> ah that
2014-05-03T13:11:52 < dongs> the cmsis shit is just rtos hooks yeah
2014-05-03T13:11:57 < dongs> the free RTX from keil is rtos
2014-05-03T13:12:00 < dongs> but a bit shitty
2014-05-03T13:12:23 < dongs> shitty as in, only if you need absolutely max performance
2014-05-03T13:12:27 < dongs> fine for normal tasks
2014-05-03T13:12:44 < Tectu> so the CMSIS RTOS itself is not that bad as it is just API?
2014-05-03T13:12:52 < dongs> jsut api yeah
2014-05-03T13:13:05 < Tectu> This would mean that something like ugfx could create a CMSIS RTOS port and everybody could use their favorite RTOS then?
2014-05-03T13:13:14 < Tectu> assuming that they ported it
2014-05-03T13:13:39 < dongs> not sure how much effort that would be, so dunno :d do and find out
2014-05-03T13:14:06 < Tectu> hehe, thanks
2014-05-03T13:14:13 < Tectu> freertos really bitches me off
2014-05-03T13:16:10 < scrts> why so?
2014-05-03T13:16:38 < Tectu> I cannot get it to compile :P
2014-05-03T13:17:13 < Tectu> I'm trying to create that windows port (later linux and mac as well) in form of makefiles
2014-05-03T13:17:22 < Tectu> Error: no such instruction: `cpsie i'
2014-05-03T13:17:27 < Tectu> but that really looks like some ARM instruction
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2014-05-03T13:18:38 < Tectu> if anybody cares, this is my makefile:   http://pastebin.com/pCNV6Yzn
2014-05-03T13:18:43 < Tectu> probably I include the wrong file somewhere...
2014-05-03T13:19:21 < Tectu> compiler output: http://pastebin.com/n6FSwtY2
2014-05-03T13:19:55 < Tectu> probably also my makefile is crappy.
2014-05-03T13:20:48 < jpa-> so are you compiling for ARM or are you compiling for x86?
2014-05-03T13:20:57 < jpa-> because it looks a lot like you are using x86 gcc..
2014-05-03T13:21:54 < Tectu> I am compiling for x86
2014-05-03T13:22:04 < Tectu> $(FREERTOS)/FreeRTOS/Source/portable/MSVC-MingW/port.c
2014-05-03T13:22:09 < Tectu> I try to run the windows simulator thing
2014-05-03T13:22:20 < Tectu> http://www.freertos.org/FreeRTOS-Windows-Simulator-Emulator-for-Visual-Studio-and-Eclipse-MingW.html
2014-05-03T13:25:55 < scrts> I don't like Eclipse soooo much...
2014-05-03T13:26:02 < jpa-> those pointer-integer-casts look like you are compiling some 32 bit port for x64
2014-05-03T13:27:08 < Tectu> scrts, that's why I try to build a makefile. I hate eclipse.
2014-05-03T13:27:47 < Tectu> jpa-, ah, that's right...
2014-05-03T13:27:57 < Tectu> but that won't explain the "no such instrction" I guess
2014-05-03T13:28:33 < Tectu> jpa-, warnings gone.
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2014-05-03T13:30:24 < Tectu> I'm not sure where these ARM instructions come from :<
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2014-05-03T13:32:06 < scrts> the makefile doesn't look bad
2014-05-03T13:32:09 < scrts> at least for me
2014-05-03T13:32:27 < Tectu> Yep, and I really only include the MinGW port in there.
2014-05-03T13:33:38 < scrts> freertos don't have any examples on that?
2014-05-03T13:33:55 < scrts> does it work for eclipse?
2014-05-03T13:34:25 < Tectu> I expect that it works on eclipse when they tell you that they support it (With the eclipse project files).
2014-05-03T13:34:31 < Tectu> But I really don't want to install eclipse.
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2014-05-03T15:37:32 < owl-v-> dekar: the TNT_Example compiles, but some of them are already compiled.
2014-05-03T15:37:45 < owl-v-> in my case, i can't compile those individuals
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2014-05-03T16:00:42 < owl-v-> dekar: nvm.
2014-05-03T16:01:01 < owl-v-> du u write ur own makefile?
2014-05-03T16:01:26 < dekar_> that's mine, yeah
2014-05-03T16:02:44 < owl-v-> i want to learn how to write makefile because eclipse makefile keep failing. i think it is time to switch manual
2014-05-03T16:05:24 < dongs> why dont you just use a proper IDE?
2014-05-03T16:06:58 < Steffanx> yes, use visual studio :D
2014-05-03T16:08:47 < Tectu> dongs, do you use visual studio?
2014-05-03T16:09:17 < dongs> of course.
2014-05-03T16:09:43 < Tectu> I just uninstalled it :P
2014-05-03T16:10:00 < Steffanx> imho VS is the best IDE around.
2014-05-03T16:10:27 < Tectu> stop trolling.
2014-05-03T16:10:43 < Tectu> this channel is about STM32, not about trolling
2014-05-03T16:10:56 < Steffanx> Im not trolling.
2014-05-03T16:11:05 < Tectu> you never even saw VS
2014-05-03T16:11:11 < Tectu> macfag
2014-05-03T16:11:12 < Tectu> :D
2014-05-03T16:12:29 < effractur> lol
2014-05-03T16:13:27 < Steffanx> You can also just leave Tectu
2014-05-03T16:13:46 < Tectu> Steffanx, go and buy sublime
2014-05-03T16:14:15 < Steffanx> sublime text isn't an IDE
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2014-05-03T16:20:18 < Tectu> I know
2014-05-03T16:20:23 < Tectu> go and work on your stupid ugfx
2014-05-03T16:21:30 < Steffanx> talking to yourself?
2014-05-03T16:21:43 < dongs> loler
2014-05-03T16:21:50 < dongs> tectu self-trolled
2014-05-03T16:21:59 < dongs> so kawaii
2014-05-03T16:22:03 < Tectu> troll level over 900
2014-05-03T16:25:33 < dongs> its over 9000 silly
2014-05-03T16:26:27 < Tectu> multitroll
2014-05-03T16:27:07 < dongs> Tectu: you opensores ugfx right? you should release it under MS-RSL license
2014-05-03T16:27:39 < dongs> it's a "look but not touch" license
2014-05-03T16:27:44 < dongs> you can see t he sores but you cant do anything with it.
2014-05-03T16:27:48 < Tectu> dongs, it's not open sorez
2014-05-03T16:27:48 < Steffanx> ugfx is already look but dont touch :P
2014-05-03T16:27:53 < dongs> oh ok
2014-05-03T16:27:55 < Tectu> dongs, exactly
2014-05-03T16:28:07 < Tectu> dongs, but also free for hobby and educational use
2014-05-03T16:28:14 < dongs> free if you're jewish?
2014-05-03T16:28:26 < Tectu> dongs, also open hardware project get free hardware-binded licenses
2014-05-03T16:28:33 < Tectu> lol
2014-05-03T16:28:43 < Steffanx> And when from best korea
2014-05-03T16:32:25 < dongs> no jewish exception? get out.
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2014-05-03T16:33:36 < Steffanx> is Tim Copperfield jewish?
2014-05-03T16:33:40 < Steffanx> Tim isn't a jewish name.
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2014-05-03T16:35:19 < dongs> could be if you want
2014-05-03T16:39:10 < owl-v-> Steffanx: there is no visual studio in Mac-osx nor in Linux.
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2014-05-03T16:39:35 < dongs> faggot OSs don't need real tools
2014-05-03T16:40:10 < Steffanx> i know owl-v-, but it was a response to dongs. Dongs only does windows ;)
2014-05-03T16:42:20 < owl-v-> dongs: which Windows version do u use?
2014-05-03T16:42:28 < dongs> 8.1
2014-05-03T16:42:31 < dongs> and 8.0
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2014-05-03T16:43:32 < dongs> why would i use anything e lse
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2014-05-03T16:44:21 < owl-v-> donts: xp maybe?
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2014-05-03T16:44:36 < dongs> why the fuck would I use a decade old OS
2014-05-03T16:45:09 < owl-v-> china and korea still uses xp alot.
2014-05-03T16:45:16 < owl-v-> use
2014-05-03T16:45:30 < Steffanx> you're from south korea not owl-v- ?
2014-05-03T16:46:00 < dongs> no i think hes french
2014-05-03T16:46:12 < dongs> o wait no.
2014-05-03T16:46:19 < dongs> best korea indeed
2014-05-03T16:46:37 < Steffanx> second best.
2014-05-03T16:46:42 < owl-v-> ... went to Purdue University and i had to use *nix system to do homework and labs
2014-05-03T16:46:54 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2014-05-03T16:46:56 < dongs> i would have dropped out.
2014-05-03T16:47:04 < owl-v-> dongs: lol. u my friend is just like my 'real friend'
2014-05-03T16:47:40 < dongs> oh y ou were the guy i spent the night at hte love hotel wiht?
2014-05-03T16:47:42 < dongs> last week
2014-05-03T16:47:47 < owl-v-> he brought up this 'best korea' to me and i 'loled' alot
2014-05-03T16:48:24 < owl-v-> i don't go to hotel unless traveling with my family
2014-05-03T16:48:50 < Steffanx> Aren't you married dongs?
2014-05-03T16:49:06 < dongs> and?
2014-05-03T16:49:20 < Steffanx> You shouldn't spent nights with guys when you're married.
2014-05-03T16:49:32 < owl-v-> dongs: aren't u the 'Family Guy'?
2014-05-03T16:49:53 < dongs> no, sorry i dont watch faggot american animu
2014-05-03T16:50:11 < Steffanx> Our dongs is many things owl-v-. He can play almost anything you want :P
2014-05-03T16:51:20 < dongs> owl-v-: what are y ou doing with stm32 anyway.
2014-05-03T16:51:35 < dongs> i mean all i see is you dicking around
2014-05-03T16:51:37 < dongs> is tehre a goal
2014-05-03T16:54:12 < owl-v-> well.. u can say i'm noob in stm32f4. before that i used to use pic32 + pickit3 + mplabx. it was very easy to see memory map in ide. and ide runs in three major OSs.
2014-05-03T16:55:01 < owl-v-> my goal is to use stm32f4 for future projects
2014-05-03T16:55:24 < owl-v-> because stm32f4 has hardware floating point
2014-05-03T16:56:07 < GargantuaSauce> i too am a sucker for megaflops
2014-05-03T16:56:28 < dongs> niggaflops
2014-05-03T16:56:37 < dongs> my nvidia tk1 board is delivered. i need to get it forwarded to me
2014-05-03T16:56:47 < GargantuaSauce> what are you gonna do with that
2014-05-03T16:57:02 < dongs> make jewpad screen adapter for it then ????, then hopefully profit.
2014-05-03T16:57:11 < GargantuaSauce> cool
2014-05-03T16:57:28 < Steffanx> profit, why not rpi for real profit?
2014-05-03T16:57:50 < dongs> i dont think dingleberrypi can even drive 2048x panel
2014-05-03T16:58:34 < dongs> owl-v-: so if y ou want a working ide, go pickup keil from bigfile or some similar place and get to work
2014-05-03T16:58:58 < dongs> you can have memory inspect at runtime, debugging, breakpoints, stepping, etc.
2014-05-03T16:59:07 < dongs> all of that shit "works" in eclipse but it will take months of fucking with it.
2014-05-03T17:00:06 < BrainDamage> or to just open eclipse itself
2014-05-03T17:00:14 < dongs> heh
2014-05-03T17:00:14 < owl-v-> dongs: at this time, i have no $.
2014-05-03T17:01:19 < dongs> https://www.keil.com/arm/demo/eval/arm.htm
2014-05-03T17:01:23 < dongs> 32k limited version.
2014-05-03T17:01:34 < dongs> by the time you run out of 32k, you'll figure out if you need it or not.
2014-05-03T17:01:44 < dongs> for hello world and while(1) blink(); its enough.
2014-05-03T17:05:15 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxVcgDMBU94 wtf
2014-05-03T17:07:11 < owl-v-> dongs: i told u i have no $
2014-05-03T17:07:20 < dongs> owl-v-: ??? its free
2014-05-03T17:07:31 < dongs> fill out form, click download.
2014-05-03T17:07:32 < dongs> install.
2014-05-03T17:07:37 < owl-v-> dongs: i have no $ to buy another computer
2014-05-03T17:07:45 < dongs> what are you using LUNIX or something?
2014-05-03T17:09:07 < owl-v-> osx
2014-05-03T17:09:15 < owl-v-> for the time being...
2014-05-03T17:09:23 < dongs> well, thats because you spent all your fucking money on apple hardware
2014-05-03T17:09:33 < dongs> you coulda bought 2 pcs with that!
2014-05-03T17:09:44 < dongs> also: apple shit does run windows unless its some ancient shit, no?
2014-05-03T17:10:07 < owl-v-> it was the best choice when i bought because i had to use *nix system at home.
2014-05-03T17:10:23 < dongs> its called lunix in vmware
2014-05-03T17:10:30 < dongs> ^ when you have to use "*nix system at home"
2014-05-03T17:10:37 < dongs> and shift-delete the VM when youre done
2014-05-03T17:10:38 < owl-v-> macbook-air and i'm almost out of disk-space
2014-05-03T17:13:55 < owl-v-> dongs: that youtube. super!
2014-05-03T17:14:13 < GargantuaSauce> ya sweet tune
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2014-05-03T17:17:35 < madist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlN1pZqO8Zo
2014-05-03T17:21:13 < Steffanx> welcome back madist  ;)
2014-05-03T17:21:21 < madist> o/ Steffanx
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2014-05-03T17:34:18 < owl-v-> Steffanx: where did u put vector table in TNT_Example?
2014-05-03T17:38:39 < Steffanx> it's dekar's work owl-v- ...
2014-05-03T17:39:16 < owl-v-> Steffanx: oh, then i'll wait.
2014-05-03T17:41:21 < dongs> shouldnt you be sleeping
2014-05-03T17:42:44 < owl-v-> my bad habit reflects my nickname
2014-05-03T17:42:49 < owl-v-> ;-)
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2014-05-03T18:38:46 < owl-v-> lol i didn't think arm-cortex-m is much cheaper than pic24
2014-05-03T18:39:22 < zyp> does it have to be cheaper? it's better
2014-05-03T18:39:59 < Laurenceb_> but pic32 is pretty good on paper
2014-05-03T18:40:28 < dongs> its cheaper
2014-05-03T18:40:30 < dongs> cuz nobody uses pic24
2014-05-03T18:40:36 < dongs> economies of scale
2014-05-03T18:40:58 < owl-v-> industry use pic series
2014-05-03T18:41:08 < dongs> no
2014-05-03T18:41:13 < owl-v-> some industry
2014-05-03T18:41:16 < Laurenceb_> http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/family/32bit/architecture-pic32mzecfamily.html
2014-05-03T18:41:18 < Laurenceb_> not bad
2014-05-03T18:41:22 < dongs> clueless industry usually
2014-05-03T18:41:26 < dongs> or ones that just copy trash design
2014-05-03T18:41:27 < dongs> from somewehre else
2014-05-03T18:41:32 < dongs> if  copied, likely pic
2014-05-03T18:41:38 < dongs> because they dont realize it could be cehaper with M0
2014-05-03T18:41:41 < englishman> Or hacks
2014-05-03T18:41:43 < dongs> and better functions
2014-05-03T18:41:49 < owl-v-> Laurenceb_: it's not usable at this point.
2014-05-03T18:41:51 < englishman> Because they used pic in highschool
2014-05-03T18:41:58 < dongs> tesla motors uses pic
2014-05-03T18:42:02 < dongs> (nda info)
2014-05-03T18:42:11 < owl-v-> hc12 is used in my university
2014-05-03T18:42:28 < Laurenceb_> owl-v-: why?
2014-05-03T18:42:48 < owl-v-> Laurenceb_: u can't buy just chip
2014-05-03T18:42:54 < Laurenceb_> oh
2014-05-03T18:42:55 < Laurenceb_> lol
2014-05-03T18:43:38 < Laurenceb_> http://uk.farnell.com/microchip/dm320006/starter-kit-pic32mz-connectivity/dp/2366164
2014-05-03T18:44:02 < dongs> much features
2014-05-03T18:44:04 < dongs> so expensive
2014-05-03T18:44:04 < dongs> wow
2014-05-03T18:44:20 < owl-v-> much erreta (i assume)
2014-05-03T18:44:29 < dongs> (cant be more than stm32)
2014-05-03T18:44:57 < Laurenceb_> adc is kind of better
2014-05-03T18:45:03 < Laurenceb_> but it might be more noisy
2014-05-03T18:45:14 < owl-v-> pic32mz does have better dmips than stm32f4
2014-05-03T18:45:55 < dongs> cuz benchmarks are always right
2014-05-03T18:46:44 < dongs> hwo about this statistic: ratio of users vs dmips vs price
2014-05-03T18:46:44 < owl-v-> and since pic32mz has mmu it might be very good platform for building small *nix computer :-)
2014-05-03T18:47:04 < owl-v-> lol users
2014-05-03T18:47:07 < dongs> if you cant buy it and if noone uses it, it might as well be amazing, and its still going to be worthless.
2014-05-03T18:47:09 < zyp> so it's not a competitor for cortex-m at all?
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2014-05-03T18:48:26 < owl-v-> zyp: it's different class if used right
2014-05-03T18:48:43 < owl-v-> zyp: ex) linux and bsd on pic32mz
2014-05-03T18:48:45 < Claude> why would someone build a computer with an pic32mz ? for half the price you get an imx233 which runs at 460MHz :)
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2014-05-03T18:49:19 < zyp> hmm, nah, looks like the external memory interface is worthless
2014-05-03T18:49:20 < karlp> Claude: stop thinking logically.
2014-05-03T18:49:22 < owl-v-> the chip price starts at 11.70USD
2014-05-03T18:49:48 < Claude> imx233 at hmm $5 @ digikey? just a guess but in that ballpark
2014-05-03T18:50:13 < jpa-> owl-v-: there is retrobsd :P
2014-05-03T18:50:27 < owl-v-> jpa-: yes. bsd
2014-05-03T18:50:51 < owl-v-> jpa-: but, with mmu
2014-05-03T18:51:06 < owl-v-> claude: that's bga package
2014-05-03T18:51:08 < Claude> sorry maybe a bit biased here , i had once to work with pic32 ;) and i'm glad i will probably never have to ^^
2014-05-03T18:51:38 < Claude> yeah then $6 for the imx233 in tqfp package...
2014-05-03T18:51:41 < owl-v-> Claude: i miss mplabx on osx
2014-05-03T18:52:16 < Claude> oh yeah mplabx , thats the reason i will never ever touch a pic32 again :)
2014-05-03T18:52:21 < zyp> looks like the pic32mz mmu just does segments, not paging
2014-05-03T18:52:38 < zyp> which makes it pretty non-exciting IMO
2014-05-03T18:52:55 < Claude> oh then more like a mpu then ?
2014-05-03T18:54:51 < owl-v-> hm.. i'm little biased here. imx233 is ARM926EJ-S and that's old core
2014-05-03T18:56:38 < owl-v-> i want to use arm-cortex, mips, or x86(32bit or above) but x86 is expensive (i think)
2014-05-03T18:57:35 < owl-v-> idk
2014-05-03T18:57:54 < owl-v-> i want to use anything that's not old i guess
2014-05-03T18:57:54 < karlp> and you want mips that's modern enough to run luajit, not old mips
2014-05-03T18:58:20 < karlp> mplabx is built on the netbeans framwork isn't it?
2014-05-03T18:58:31 < owl-v-> atmel's uc3 looks interesting. "The world's most efficient microcontroller"
2014-05-03T18:59:31 < Claude> karlp, yes netbeans
2014-05-03T18:59:33 < owl-v-> karlp: modern enough, ya
2014-05-03T19:00:21 < owl-v-> http://youtu.be/b8-ZyWv2uu8
2014-05-03T19:01:24 < Claude> owl-v-, don't trust marketing :) AVR32 isn't that great. had once a AP7000 board , wasn't any faster than a arm9 back then
2014-05-03T19:03:20 < owl-v-> Claude: i think their pint is it has highest ratio of perf/pow
2014-05-03T19:03:33 < owl-v-> pint -> point
2014-05-03T19:03:34 < Claude> oh okay
2014-05-03T19:04:23 < owl-v-> that pic32mz has internal 32khz crystal :-)
2014-05-03T19:04:35 < dongs> uc3 is dead
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2014-05-03T19:05:08 < owl-v-> how about avr32?
2014-05-03T19:05:11  * Claude whispers : and avr32 sucks!
2014-05-03T19:05:22 < dongs> ^
2014-05-03T19:05:26 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-03T19:05:52 < Claude> uc3 == avr32 , isn't it ?
2014-05-03T19:05:56 < qyx_> wut avr32 here
2014-05-03T19:06:15 < owl-v-> uc3 is avr32
2014-05-03T19:06:25 < owl-v-> avr 32bit
2014-05-03T19:06:46 < owl-v-> not 8bit like arduino(atmega)
2014-05-03T19:09:31 < dongs> just ask zyp what he thinks about avr32
2014-05-03T19:14:54 < madist> owl-v-: to be pedantic, it has a 32kHz oscillator. not a crystal.
2014-05-03T19:15:19 < dongs> owl-v-: you win, im going to sleep
2014-05-03T19:17:27 < owl-v-> good night dongs :-)
2014-05-03T19:20:03 < Laurenceb_> lol http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5114621&cid=46907987
2014-05-03T19:20:07 < Laurenceb_> think different
2014-05-03T19:27:39 < emeb_mac> fairly succinctly put
2014-05-03T19:28:13 < emeb_mac> guy was a nutcase. a successful one, but nonetheless
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2014-05-03T19:41:06 < karlp> huh, just found a vendor linux driver for this part I've been reversing engineering.
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2014-05-03T19:41:16 < karlp> only in china
2014-05-03T19:41:17 < karlp> yay
2014-05-03T19:42:07 < Steffanx> what secret stuff is karlp  working on?
2014-05-03T19:42:13 < jpa-> why only in china?
2014-05-03T19:42:28 < karlp> nothing secret, got some usb-rs485 dongles that had a poorly supported linux chip,
2014-05-03T19:42:33 < karlp> ch340/ch341,
2014-05-03T19:43:06 < karlp> the english website only has windows drivers and pdfs, but while I was looking for the second pdf, I foudn the chinese website, and clicked around a bit mroe hoping to find more info,
2014-05-03T19:43:12 < karlp> found they actually have a linux driver.
2014-05-03T19:43:32 < karlp> so I can finish it from there
2014-05-03T19:43:57 < Claude> karlp, out of curiosity. how do you drive the TXEN / RXEN stuff withing linux?
2014-05-03T19:44:13 < Claude> rs485 tty ioctl ?
2014-05-03T19:44:36 < qyx_> some rs485 dongles generate txen locally
2014-05-03T19:44:42 < karlp> I've used dongles that do it themselves
2014-05-03T19:44:45 < qyx_> ftdi for examples
2014-05-03T19:44:49 < qyx_> -s
2014-05-03T19:44:50 < Claude> ah okay
2014-05-03T19:45:00 < karlp> and also with hacking grossly into the serial 8250 driver to toggle a gpio directly on one board
2014-05-03T19:45:08 < karlp> ioctls aren't always fast enough to do it from userspace
2014-05-03T19:45:14 < karlp> depends on the device you're talking to
2014-05-03T19:45:23 < zyp> the stm32 uarts can also drive txen
2014-05-03T19:45:34 < Claude> yep did that too , polled the tx fifo until it is empty then reset the txen line
2014-05-03T19:45:44 < zyp> I used that last time I did anything with rs485
2014-05-03T19:46:15 < Claude> there is a (relatively) new ioctl for the txen stuff in the serial layer
2014-05-03T19:46:41 < owl-v-> what's txen?
2014-05-03T19:46:42 < karlp> Claude: the ioctls are also rarely implemented, because people do all sorts of stuff where they tie to DTR, tie it to RTS, use hardware that supports it, expect a custom ioctl for a custom pin, etc
2014-05-03T19:46:46 < karlp> it's gross
2014-05-03T19:46:52 < emeb_mac> zyp: played around with that MIDI stuff some more
2014-05-03T19:47:00 < Claude> iirc the atmel at91sam9260 was the first soc using this new ioctl for rs485
2014-05-03T19:47:06 < emeb_mac> looks like the laks version got down < 3kB
2014-05-03T19:47:13 < karlp> Claude: yah, and still one of the only ones :)
2014-05-03T19:47:16 < karlp> I think omap has it now too
2014-05-03T19:47:19 < Claude> ahh okay
2014-05-03T19:47:24 < emeb_mac> I stripped a lot of stuff out of the stdperiph version and it got down to < 8kB
2014-05-03T19:47:59 < emeb_mac> but then I added stdio / printf support and it grew > 32kB :P
2014-05-03T19:48:04 < karlp> Claude: as best I can tell, lots of the people using rs485 had to have it working long before that rs485 kernel supported landed, so it's all custom, and now that most people have usb-serial, they use usb parts that handle it automatically
2014-05-03T19:49:27 < Claude> yep but for e.g. a datalogger it might be expensive to put a ftdi for every rs485 on the pcb . e.g. 5x rs485 , that sums up in the bom :)
2014-05-03T19:50:28 < karlp> well, depends how many hardware serial ports you have :)
2014-05-03T19:50:43 < karlp> they make quad usb-serial, with hardware control ors the drive enable line,
2014-05-03T19:51:19 < Claude> otoh did a datalogger 2-3 years ago , stuffed 10x 16550 uarts intp a cyclone ep2c8 :) still cheaper than ftdis
2014-05-03T19:51:37 < karlp> new ftdi parts are much cheaper than old ones tbh
2014-05-03T19:52:20 < karlp> man, these two driver bases are _totally_ different
2014-05-03T19:52:33 < emeb_mac> linux driver code. ugh
2014-05-03T19:52:58 < emeb_mac> "there's more than one way to do it"
2014-05-03T19:53:06 < karlp> sure seems that way
2014-05-03T19:53:13 < Claude> let me guess , the chinese one is probably ported over from wince ? , at least thats my expirence with chinese linux dirvers ^^
2014-05-03T19:53:23 < Claude> drivers
2014-05-03T19:53:27 < emeb_mac> blargh!
2014-05-03T19:53:35 < karlp> I thought a struct like usb_serial_driver would only have some many functions that you could fill in, but there's very little overlap in common functions
2014-05-03T19:54:04 < emeb_mac> same kernel version? (or similar?)
2014-05-03T19:54:22 < emeb_mac> I did some audio driver work back in the 2.4 kernel. totally different now...
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2014-05-03T19:57:46 < karlp> I believed similar, but it seems not similar enough :)
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2014-05-03T20:16:52 < owl-v-> Renesas, interesting. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/12/10/japanese-manufacturers-bail-out-renesas/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
2014-05-03T20:20:36 < Steffanx> you read 2 year old "news" often owl-v- ? :P
2014-05-03T20:21:04 < owl-v-> it's history :-)
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2014-05-03T20:32:05 < owl-v-> the f*? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qLKoLP9pI
2014-05-03T20:34:49 < owl-v-> why use arm7 over cortex-m?
2014-05-03T20:36:51 < jpa-> where does that say "arm7"? seems cortex-a to me
2014-05-03T20:37:26 < owl-v-> wait..
2014-05-03T20:38:30 < owl-v-> why use old arm over cortex-m?
2014-05-03T20:38:34 < owl-v-> why use old arm over cortex?
2014-05-03T20:38:40 < owl-v-> ^
2014-05-03T20:39:09 < owl-v-> for ex) raspberry pi and imx233
2014-05-03T20:39:28 < jpa-> because new stuff is more expensive
2014-05-03T20:39:38 < jpa-> rpi is the cheapest shit that they found
2014-05-03T20:48:26 < owl-v-> maybe because i made my own mips architecture, pic32mz looks hot!
2014-05-03T20:49:44 < jpa-> or maybe you forgot a heatsink
2014-05-03T20:50:16 < owl-v-> heatsink for my brain
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2014-05-03T21:06:50 < owl-v-> dekar_: i'll just use ur makefile
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2014-05-03T21:13:58 < owl-v-> :-) https://github.com/xioTechnologies/PIC32MZ-Bare-Bones
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2014-05-03T21:31:32 < dekar_> fine by me
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2014-05-03T22:27:55 < owl-v-> anyone knows how to use eclipse + gdb + openocd using pipe?
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2014-05-03T22:43:42 < owl-v-> well if u do, please tell me
2014-05-03T22:44:32 < owl-v-> anyway, i'm able to use eclipse + gdb with openocd(terminal) to view memory just like i did in mplabx
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2014-05-03T23:03:04 < Laurenceb_> http://sdrsharp.com/
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2014-05-03T23:17:12 < Steffanx> lol Laurenceb_
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2014-05-04T00:29:41 < dongs> sup dongs
2014-05-04T00:30:02 < dongs> Laurenceb_: mega old news
2014-05-04T00:30:46 < superbia> ?
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2014-05-04T06:08:19 < emeb_mac> dongs: you sell stuff with USB device ports right?
2014-05-04T06:10:46 < dongs> usb device... as in it plugs somewehre? yes
2014-05-04T06:11:47 < emeb_mac> you have a VID/PID for your stuff?
2014-05-04T06:11:57 < emeb_mac> or do you use someone elses?
2014-05-04T06:14:09 < dongs> i am borrowing coworkers
2014-05-04T06:14:20 < dongs> they gave me like 4 PIDs
2014-05-04T06:14:24 < dongs> from other crap
2014-05-04T06:14:46 < dongs> i think 0x7a69 VID is open :)
2014-05-04T06:14:53 < dongs> if you wanna jsut randomize one.
2014-05-04T06:19:12 < emeb_mac> interesting
2014-05-04T06:19:38 < emeb_mac> yeah - I've got a possible product oppty but don't wanna spent $5k+ for a VID
2014-05-04T06:21:42 < madist> if you buy a microchip usb device i think they will give you a pid.
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2014-05-04T06:38:41 < dongs> emeb_mac: is it opensauce
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2014-05-04T07:51:04 < emeb_mac> dongs: no - not open. For evil profit!
2014-05-04T07:52:16 < dongs> oh noes!!
2014-05-04T07:52:26 < emeb_mac> bwa ha ha haaaaa
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2014-05-04T07:54:27 < dongs> do you need evil pcba services for profit???
2014-05-04T07:54:33 < dongs> when is your kickstarter
2014-05-04T07:54:36 < dongs> i'll be the CTO
2014-05-04T07:54:46 < superbia> gtfo
2014-05-04T07:55:11 < emeb_mac> dongs: no ks. self funded
2014-05-04T07:55:46 < emeb_mac> one of my synthesizer clients.
2014-05-04T07:56:34 < dongs> useles
2014-05-04T07:56:43 < dongs> youre missing the opportunity to get bought out by faecesbook
2014-05-04T07:56:56 < emeb_mac> iknowrite
2014-05-04T07:57:34 < emeb_mac> wonder what would happen if it randomized the VID/PID and gave a different value every time it enumerated. :P
2014-05-04T07:57:39 < dongs> haha
2014-05-04T07:57:52 < emeb_mac> probably drive Windows USB stack bananas
2014-05-04T08:03:36 < emeb_mac> using a MCHP USB device and getting a VID/PID from them is an option. Not one I'm particularly fond of...
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2014-05-04T08:54:41 < jpa-> emeb_mac: ST gives out PIDs also
2014-05-04T08:54:52 < emeb_mac> jpa-: no kidding?
2014-05-04T08:54:58 < emeb_mac> that would be dandy
2014-05-04T08:55:22 < jpa-> yes; though you need to contact sales office so not sure how big you have to appear for them to be interested
2014-05-04T08:55:52 < emeb_mac> right
2014-05-04T08:56:19 < jpa-> i wonder what PID zyp uses for his evilforprofit stuff
2014-05-04T08:56:52 < jpa-> (or maybe it was opensauce anyway, but sold :)
2014-05-04T08:57:01 < emeb_mac> good question
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2014-05-04T09:09:13 < timemob> zyp
2014-05-04T09:09:25 < timemob> I got some space on 4l next we ek
2014-05-04T09:09:30 < timemob> Monday or Tuesday
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2014-05-04T09:10:24 < timemob> finish your shit up
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2014-05-04T09:12:29 < timemob> nice connections bro
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2014-05-04T09:16:16 < superbia> want me to end him ?
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2014-05-04T09:39:17 < dongs> http://isittheyearofthelinuxdesktop.com/
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2014-05-04T09:43:08 < GargantuaSauce> every year is the year of the linux desktop
2014-05-04T09:43:40 < dongs> only if youre stoned
2014-05-04T09:44:19 < GargantuaSauce> i am under the influence of nothing but freedom
2014-05-04T09:45:42 < jpa-> who even uses desktops anymore? laptops ftw
2014-05-04T09:45:58 < GargantuaSauce> people who like having more than 2 displays?
2014-05-04T09:46:57 < GargantuaSauce> i am on a laptop and i'm finding it annoying to only have two...at work i use a workstation with four and it rules
2014-05-04T09:53:37 < dongs> get a 4k monitor problem solved
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2014-05-04T09:56:25 < GargantuaSauce> it's more space than resolution i'm interested in really
2014-05-04T09:56:31 < GargantuaSauce> well, both.
2014-05-04T09:58:02 < GargantuaSauce> i like the spatial organization of stuff. webserver framework docs on far left. server dev environment on middle left. app dev environment on middle right, assdroid docs on far right
2014-05-04T09:58:34 < dongs> can lunix e ven support that many monitors at once
2014-05-04T09:58:45 < GargantuaSauce> hurr
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2014-05-04T11:31:27 < zyp> dongs, nice, I'm not home until tonight, but I believe the design is more or less done, so I should finish it up quickly
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2014-05-04T11:51:20 < dongs> ok
2014-05-04T11:51:26 < dongs> i think monday is a holiday anyway
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2014-05-04T12:04:41 < zyp> I think I just have to look over and see whether I've done any dumb errors, and then provided I haven't done any export gerbers
2014-05-04T12:07:04 < dongs> sure
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2014-05-04T14:15:22 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2014/05/03/ask-hackaday-can-the-lix-3d-printing-pen-actually-work/#more-121303
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2014-05-04T14:29:54 < superbia> dafuq
2014-05-04T14:32:14 < jpa-> useless product, misleading video and then hackaday has to waste time on botched up calculations that "prove" how it cannot work
2014-05-04T14:34:40 < superbia> atleast they did prove a product doesn't work...
2014-05-04T14:35:11 < jpa-> well, only that it cannot work as fast as in the video that says "this video has been accelerated"
2014-05-04T14:35:40 < dongs> lix more like dix amirite>?
2014-05-04T14:35:45 < dongs> holy shit that girl in the video is ESL
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2014-05-04T14:37:24 < superbia> what girl, where
2014-05-04T14:38:28 < Laurenceb_> girls?!
2014-05-04T14:38:31 < Laurenceb_> what where
2014-05-04T14:38:49 < dongs> dix dickstarter video
2014-05-04T14:39:15 < superbia> link plox.
2014-05-04T14:39:15 < Laurenceb_> too lazy to load
2014-05-04T14:39:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lix3d/lix-the-smallest-3d-printing-pen-in-the-world
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2014-05-04T14:40:16 < Laurenceb_> the creative people
2014-05-04T14:40:18 < Laurenceb_> lolz
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2014-05-04T14:45:10 < superbia> the girl is fine, true... but i dont find french designers attractive.
2014-05-04T14:45:32 < Laurenceb_> lol
2014-05-04T14:45:44 < Laurenceb_> what does "#" do as a prinft argument?
2014-05-04T14:45:48 < dongs> Creator LIX about 3 hours ago
2014-05-04T14:45:48 < dongs> Hi guys, no worries, for such an amazing product it is normal that there are going to be loads of good articles and sometimes some negative ones. We can assure you that Lix Pen WORKS. Please bear in mind that Hackaday never received our product, they have NO IDEA what is inside Lix Pen, which means that their article is valueless. You need to take in consideration that we have some competitors on the market who do not like us and are trying to put us down ;)
2014-05-04T14:45:55 < dongs> Laurenceb_: alignment i think
2014-05-04T14:45:57 < Laurenceb_> printf("%#15X",variable)
2014-05-04T14:45:59 < dongs> or justification of stuff
2014-05-04T14:46:00 < Laurenceb_> ah
2014-05-04T14:46:01 < dongs> yeah
2014-05-04T14:46:09 < dongs> right alight by 15 spaces or someshit
2014-05-04T14:46:28 < jpa-> no
2014-05-04T14:46:37 < jpa-> was "man 3 printf" so difficult? :)
2014-05-04T14:46:53 < jpa-> it will prefix 0x for hex stuff
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2014-05-04T14:47:01 < dongs> meh
2014-05-04T14:47:11 < jpa-> for other formats it does similar random changes
2014-05-04T14:47:13 < dongs> which one is spacing then. i thought it was something similar
2014-05-04T14:47:42 < jpa-> default is right, - makes it left
2014-05-04T14:49:25 < dongs> 2. Further to this question, can you specify the exact time it would take to extrude a straight 5cm (50mm) line of plastic from the pen connected a USB port on any mac computer (laptop or tower).
2014-05-04T14:49:29 < dongs> har har
2014-05-04T14:50:17 < jpa-> it can probably extrude fast, just need time to heat up between extrusions
2014-05-04T14:52:37 < Lt_Lemming> yo
2014-05-04T14:52:50 < Lt_Lemming> anyone got reccomendations for an RMII PHY to use with an F107?
2014-05-04T14:53:19 < dongs> some smsc shit?
2014-05-04T14:53:31 < dongs> or  the stuff waveshare uses..
2014-05-04T14:53:56 < dongs> DP83848
2014-05-04T14:54:43 < dongs> or LAN7xxxx something  from smsc, forget part#
2014-05-04T14:56:20 < dongs> Listen. If you do not start posting meaningful updates (pictures AND status updates) once every two weeks, then I am going to come to Chicago, find you in a bathroom, hold your head under a sink, and stick at least three ungloved, unlubricated fingers, straight up your ass until one or both of us is throwing up.
2014-05-04T14:56:25 < dongs> And honey, let me tell you I.ve got a strong stomach.
2014-05-04T14:56:27 < dongs> Give me a fucking update.
2014-05-04T14:57:55 < Laurenceb_> trolol
2014-05-04T15:00:42 < dongs> Laurenceb_, listen. If you do not start some meaningful chats (none of this trolling garbage) as soon as possible, then I am going to come over to your place, find you in a bathroom, hold your head under a sink, and stick at least three ungloved, unlubricated fingers, straight up your ass until one or both of us is throwing up. And honey, let me tell you I've got a strong stomach. Start chatting, asshole.
2014-05-04T15:01:04 < Laurenceb_> new c&p from dongs?
2014-05-04T15:01:44 < superbia> Ping breast holder has been located in the vending machine in our dorm, if somebody lost if from the cloth dryer or from the body, they should check the vending machine..
2014-05-04T15:01:50 < superbia> pink*
2014-05-04T15:02:15 < superbia> i forgot to take a pic.. but this was the fb post
2014-05-04T15:03:52 < superbia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec9CN82_egI
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2014-05-04T15:54:29 < Alexer> superbia, I'm unreasonably annoyed at the title of that video, that's definitely not Japanese :P
2014-05-04T15:54:39 < Alexer> (Chinese would be my guess)
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2014-05-04T16:24:15 < dongs> and ugly, too
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2014-05-04T17:01:35 < owl-v-> dongs: hey, where r u from?
2014-05-04T17:02:09 < owl-v-> u r interesting
2014-05-04T17:02:12 < dongs> israel, why
2014-05-04T17:02:22 < owl-v-> u r interesting
2014-05-04T17:02:24 < superbia> are u single dongs
2014-05-04T17:02:28 < Laurenceb_> land of the chosen people
2014-05-04T17:02:49 < superbia> didnt they chose that land after ww2 ?
2014-05-04T17:03:00 < Laurenceb_> its so awesome they built an armoured wall round it
2014-05-04T17:03:08 < owl-v-> wait, i thought the land was chosen, not people
2014-05-04T17:03:16 < superbia> no.. u got it all wrong..
2014-05-04T17:03:22 < superbia> people chose that land after ww2
2014-05-04T17:03:57 < owl-v-> the bible said, the land was chosen
2014-05-04T17:04:48 < BrainDamage> the money chose it
2014-05-04T17:04:56 < Laurenceb_> dongs is the chosen guy??
2014-05-04T17:05:03 < Laurenceb_> he is the messiah?
2014-05-04T17:05:06 < superbia> owl-v-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel#State_of_Israel_.281948.E2.80.93present.29
2014-05-04T17:06:00 < Laurenceb_> i thought this guy was the chosen one
2014-05-04T17:06:02 < Laurenceb_> www.missteribabylonestar.com/‎
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2014-05-04T17:07:14 < superbia> Laurenceb_: 2 bad i cant view that videos (flash).. im sure id have more reasons to throw up
2014-05-04T17:09:47 < owl-v-> 480p not mp4?
2014-05-04T17:10:15 < superbia> propper os doesnt ship flash support
2014-05-04T17:12:10 < owl-v-> propper != modern
2014-05-04T17:13:18 < owl-v-> lol glass in the sky
2014-05-04T17:15:25 < owl-v-> did u know that we r still living with dinosaur?
2014-05-04T17:16:04 < superbia> well.. i got one in my pants..
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2014-05-04T17:18:19 < owl-v-> i didn't believe it but after watching pbs video now i believe it.
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2014-05-04T17:24:38 < dongs> early bedtime for me
2014-05-04T17:25:11 < superbia> what a nice excuse for a wank.
2014-05-04T17:26:16 < owl-v-> four winged dinosaur: http://youtu.be/yL0UIzU0EEc?t=10m44s
2014-05-04T17:27:02 < owl-v-> like it or not
2014-05-04T17:28:54 < owl-v-> "Birds are dinosaurs. That's why they look like dinosaurs."
2014-05-04T17:29:14 < owl-v-> dongs: good night
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2014-05-04T18:02:51 < Laurenceb_> is this ##herpy ??
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2014-05-04T18:11:07 < owl-v-> ju?
2014-05-04T18:11:12 < owl-v-> hu?
2014-05-04T18:12:36 < owl-v-> there is no human face involved in the evolution of Bird.
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2014-05-04T18:24:04 < Laurenceb_> www.herpy.net/gallery/‎
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2014-05-04T18:33:29 < Tectu> posting dead links since 1874
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2014-05-04T18:40:46 < Laurenceb_> http://www.herpy.net/
2014-05-04T18:40:48 < Laurenceb_> that even
2014-05-04T18:40:54 < Laurenceb_> where owl-v- lives
2014-05-04T18:41:45 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-04T18:42:00 < owl-v-> u mean nest?
2014-05-04T18:42:13 < owl-v-> herpy.nest
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2014-05-04T18:49:58 < jpa-> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/251588730/kicksat-your-personal-spacecraft-in-space/posts    luls, kicksat finds out that off-the-shelf microcontrollers are not radiation proof
2014-05-04T18:51:19 < emeb_mac> Shocking!
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2014-05-04T18:55:29 < emeb_mac> anyone know an ETA for the F042 parts? DK has a page for them but no stock yet.
2014-05-04T18:56:24 < jpa-> call digikey and ask :P
2014-05-04T18:58:05 < emeb_mac> haha - that always works.
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2014-05-04T19:01:44 < owl-v-> jpa-: they should have used radiation hardened microcontrollers >> http://www.atmel.com/products/Other/space_rad_hard_ics/default.aspx
2014-05-04T19:02:45 < owl-v-> lol nice atmel. rad-hard fpga >> http://www.atmel.com/devices/ATF697FF.aspx
2014-05-04T19:02:46 < jpa-> yes, they exist; but is there actually any place where you can buy them?
2014-05-04T19:03:33 < jpa-> probably export controlled and whatnot
2014-05-04T19:04:20 < madist> how long was it up before this error ?
2014-05-04T19:04:46 < madist> seems to me if it was several days, then you don't need radiation hardened chips. just some error detection and correction.
2014-05-04T19:05:10 < jpa-> a bit over a week, i think
2014-05-04T19:06:17 < jpa-> and yes, they could have coded around this problem if they had been better at guessing possible failures
2014-05-04T19:08:07 < madist> maybe even redundant hardware. two pcb's mounted orthogonal to each other. to reduce the probability of both being affected simultaneously.
2014-05-04T19:08:11 < owl-v-> arm-cortex-R  >> http://www.median-project.eu/wp-content/uploads/median2013_submission_5.pdf
2014-05-04T19:08:22 < owl-v-> ^ rad-hard
2014-05-04T19:11:32 < owl-v-> ti has arm cortex-R4
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2014-05-04T19:18:55 < owl-v-> nvm. the rad-hard is different from error correcting
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2014-05-04T19:21:13 < owl-v-> look! >> http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/photo/50529/us-govt-seizes-radiation-hardened-microchips-seized-from-chinese
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2014-05-04T20:00:44 < Laurenceb_> http://ur7iwz.qrz.ru/sat/amsat/25.jpg
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2014-05-04T20:14:18 < owl-v-> Laurenceb_what's that?
2014-05-04T20:14:23 < owl-v-> Laurenceb_: what's that?
2014-05-04T20:14:45 < Fleck> Laurenceb_: russian resistors? :D
2014-05-04T20:15:29 < synic> wow that looks really frustrating
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2014-05-04T21:36:22 < __rob2> that url looks prime for a really hard to find short
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2014-05-05T00:19:30 < owl-v-> arm-cortex-R4 looks cool. why don't st have cortex-r4,5,7 ?   >>   http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-r/cortex-r4.php
2014-05-05T00:20:04 < owl-v-> ti has one  http://www.ti.com/tool/launchxl-rm42
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2014-05-05T00:51:00 < Laurenceb_> Power-efficient, 8-stage dual issue pipeline with instruction pre-fetch and branch prediction
2014-05-05T00:51:02 < Laurenceb_> hardcore
2014-05-05T00:51:18 < Laurenceb_> 64-bit AMBA
2014-05-05T00:51:19 < Laurenceb_> omg
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2014-05-05T01:24:34 < dongs> http://www.amazon.co.jp/ifive-mini3-Retina%E3%83%A2%E3%83%87%E3%83%AB-RAM2GB-Android4-4/dp/B00IR6WWI2 haha
2014-05-05T01:35:59 < zyp> somebody made a rockchip tablet with an ipad lcd? :p
2014-05-05T01:39:07 < zyp> oh, btw, I'm too tired to dick around with altium tonight, I hope it's okay if I get you the gerbers after I've slept :p
2014-05-05T01:42:30 < dongs> its fine
2014-05-05T01:42:33 < dongs> http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/218/218889/
2014-05-05T01:44:06 < dongs> i was wondering why i wokeup to a buttload of jp orders
2014-05-05T01:50:31 < Laurenceb_> http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/316/a/4/north_korea_is_best_korea_by_florinu123-d4g0hpf.jpg
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2014-05-05T01:55:57 < dongs> old
2014-05-05T01:55:58 < dongs> saeen ebfore
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2014-05-05T09:34:03 < owl-v-_> where is vector table for cortex-a?
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2014-05-05T09:40:53 < dongs> 'where'?
2014-05-05T09:41:25 < owl-v-_> cortex-m4's vector table is at 0x0
2014-05-05T09:42:06 < owl-v-_> but cortex-a is not
2014-05-05T09:42:06 < owl-v-_> cortex-a8
2014-05-05T09:42:27 < owl-v-_> this is what i dumped out 0x0 to 0x100 in beaglebone white  https://www.refheap.com/85124
2014-05-05T09:45:58 < dongs> you just pasted  your social security number
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2014-05-05T09:46:46 < dongs> now i can pretend i'm you in a mmorpg
2014-05-05T09:47:29 < owl-v-_> haha
2014-05-05T09:47:35 < owl-v-_> it's all zero
2014-05-05T09:48:38 < DanteA> Oh, dongie, he is not so trustfull :)
2014-05-05T09:48:42 < owl-v-_> my super duper secret password is https://www.refheap.com/85125
2014-05-05T09:49:12 < dongs> owl-v-_: gimme your line ID
2014-05-05T09:50:41 < dongs> unless y oure under 18 like me and cant have a public one :(
2014-05-05T09:51:03 < owl-v-_> lol under 18
2014-05-05T09:52:39 < owl-v-_> dongs: y don't u live in USA. u can get all the freedom u want *~*
2014-05-05T09:53:15 < dongs> lol usa sucks
2014-05-05T09:53:37 < owl-v-_> it's sinking...
2014-05-05T09:54:07 < owl-v-_> USA need someone like Jobs, who can point the direction it's going
2014-05-05T09:55:40 < dongs> i like my cheap american electronics
2014-05-05T09:56:15 < owl-v-_> 90% made in China :P
2014-05-05T09:56:26 < dongs> 4k dell = $950 in usa, $1300 in korea
2014-05-05T09:56:31 < dongs> ~same in japan
2014-05-05T09:56:55 < owl-v-_> that's because import goods
2014-05-05T09:57:21 < owl-v-_> korea and japan have high tax rate
2014-05-05T09:57:22 < dongs> if jobs was running USA  we'd still be paying $5000 for a pc
2014-05-05T09:58:10 < owl-v-_> ^ with better hardware (not benchmark specs)
2014-05-05T09:58:21 < qyx_> but it would be 5mm thick!
2014-05-05T09:58:30 < dongs> troll
2014-05-05T09:58:51 < dongs> qyx_: and 50% faster than the previous version!
2014-05-05T09:58:56 < DanteA> Do you celebrate a Victory Day?
2014-05-05T09:59:42 < DanteA> We have a 9 May
2014-05-05T10:00:24 < owl-v-_> we hace children's day 5th May
2014-05-05T10:00:30 < owl-v-_> have
2014-05-05T10:02:20 < dongs> whats tomrorws holiday
2014-05-05T10:05:23 < owl-v-_> *shrug*
2014-05-05T10:05:54 < PaulFertser> Putin's occupied 9th May for his propaganda purposes :/
2014-05-05T10:06:10 < owl-v-_> looks like pic32 is cortex-r wanabe
2014-05-05T10:06:23 < owl-v-_> PaulFertser: omg! what r u doing here?
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2014-05-05T10:07:25 < PaulFertser> owl-v-_: discussing electronics
2014-05-05T10:07:39 < owl-v-_> *electric shock!*
2014-05-05T10:10:16 < dongs> you two know ecah other?
2014-05-05T10:10:40 < owl-v-_> i met paul in #openocd
2014-05-05T10:10:46 < dongs> oh right
2014-05-05T10:11:00 < dongs> ya hes quite a supporter of things that suck
2014-05-05T10:11:50 < owl-v-_> he is like a medic in jtag-world
2014-05-05T10:14:00 < owl-v-_> and i just want to remind u that we are living with dinosaurs >>  http://youtu.be/yL0UIzU0EEc?t=10m44s
2014-05-05T10:14:03 < PaulFertser> Everything sucks, that's the issue :/
2014-05-05T10:14:55 < PaulFertser> Come on, even that "super-advanced professional" "Altium designer" _crashes_ every now and then.
2014-05-05T10:14:56 < dongs> nice change of subject and avoidance of my question owl-v-_
2014-05-05T10:15:07 < dongs> PaulFertser: it crashes all the fucking time
2014-05-05T10:15:13 < dongs> but it does what its supposed to do
2014-05-05T10:15:22 < owl-v-_> dongs: did u ask something?
2014-05-05T10:15:23 < dongs> opensauce shit generally DOESNT do what you want to do AND crashes while doing it.
2014-05-05T10:15:28 < dongs> owl-v-_: yes
2014-05-05T10:16:16 < DanteA> Putin is asshole
2014-05-05T10:16:26 < owl-v-_> dongs: this? "you two know ecah other?"
2014-05-05T10:16:35 < dongs> no, higher
2014-05-05T10:16:45 < dongs> you answered that oen.
2014-05-05T10:16:54 < owl-v-_> dongs: this? "whats tomrorws holiday"
2014-05-05T10:17:20 < dongs> you did that one, too. *shrug* is an acceptable asnwer. I dont give a fuck either. it just bothers me  cuz i cant work.
2014-05-05T10:17:25 < dongs> higher
2014-05-05T10:18:45 < owl-v-_> dongs: this? "'where'?"
2014-05-05T10:19:15 < dongs> owl-v-_: starts with "gimme"
2014-05-05T10:19:58 < owl-v-_> dongs: oh dear, that's not a question
2014-05-05T10:21:54 < DanteA> He playing only for his own profit
2014-05-05T10:22:16 < dongs> ???
2014-05-05T10:23:56 < qyx_> who not
2014-05-05T10:24:11 < qyx_> although i wouldn't be happy to have russia on our east border
2014-05-05T10:24:19 < qyx_> if they accidentally the whole ukraine
2014-05-05T10:24:45 < dongs> owl-v-_: however it requires an answer, even if answer is "fuckoff"
2014-05-05T10:25:28 < owl-v-_> dongs: my answer is "what's line ID?"
2014-05-05T10:25:45 < dongs> i guess if y oure not 13 you dont know :(((
2014-05-05T10:26:29 < owl-v-_> i'm way way over 13
2014-05-05T10:32:47 < dongs> sux
2014-05-05T10:35:42 < owl-v-_> y? am i too old for ya?
2014-05-05T10:36:25 < dongs> sadly :(9
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2014-05-05T10:54:17 < dongs> ugh finally done foxconning for today
2014-05-05T10:55:33 < owl-v-_> what's foxconning?
2014-05-05T10:56:07 < dongs> doing same activity chinaman does at foxconn daily
2014-05-05T10:56:22 < dongs> doing pcba
2014-05-05T10:56:42 < owl-v-_> PaulFertser: stm32f4 has 6 breakpoints and 4 watchpoints. how r they differnet?
2014-05-05T10:57:11 < owl-v-_> dongs: u design pcb?
2014-05-05T10:57:24 < dongs> breakpoint: stop at address. watchpoint: activity at address, such as R/W
2014-05-05T10:57:30 < dongs> owl-v-_: and then make and assembe them
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2014-05-05T10:58:48 < owl-v-_> dongs: what r u designing pcb for?
2014-05-05T10:59:23 < PaulFertser> owl-v-_: breakpoints allow to stop on instruction fetches, watchpoints on data access.
2014-05-05T10:59:24 < dongs> various stuff
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2014-05-05T10:59:52 < dongs> kawaii things for Tectu
2014-05-05T11:00:47 < Tectu> Sup?
2014-05-05T11:01:25 < dongs> just ufcking dropped a PCB on the way to oven
2014-05-05T11:01:27 < dongs> ugh
2014-05-05T11:01:54 < owl-v-_> Tectu is employee?
2014-05-05T11:02:08 < Tectu>  Yes
2014-05-05T11:02:14 < owl-v-_> lol
2014-05-05T11:03:23 < owl-v-_> PaulFertser: i can track only four data address?
2014-05-05T11:03:30 < dongs> correct
2014-05-05T11:03:33 < dongs> (in hardware)
2014-05-05T11:03:37 < dongs> you shouldnt need more than that.
2014-05-05T11:06:44 < dongs> time to g o outside. havent seen the sun since 7am
2014-05-05T11:07:06 < owl-v-_> dongs: praise the sun!
2014-05-05T11:07:59 < owl-v-_> Tectu: which company do u work with?
2014-05-05T11:09:58 < owl-v-_> PaulFertser: dekar's makefile works, but eclipse throws errors even if i set it so that ide sees 'Includes'
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2014-05-05T11:17:29 < owl-v-__> lol network
2014-05-05T11:17:48 < owl-v-__> my nickname is extended
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2014-05-05T11:18:18 < Steffanx> fyi ##stm32 isn't always that seriously owl-v-__ ;)
2014-05-05T11:18:19 < owl-v-__> Symbol 'ENABLE' could not be resolved
2014-05-05T11:18:39 < owl-v-__> eclipse
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2014-05-05T11:19:07 < owl-v-__> lol
2014-05-05T11:19:25 < owl-v-__> that's my nickname...
2014-05-05T11:19:34 < owl-v-__> just pinged out
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2014-05-05T11:23:26 < owl-v-__> i removed one of the code analysis option. 'symbol no resolved'
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2014-05-05T12:34:41 < Laurenceb_> http://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FM0XER-7&timerange=86400&tail=86400
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2014-05-05T12:43:29 < Claude> Laurenceb_ , MH370 ? ;)
2014-05-05T12:43:52 < Laurenceb_> nope, present from #highaltitude
2014-05-05T12:48:24 < Claude> wonder if kim jong un likes high altitude baloons ...
2014-05-05T12:48:51 < Claude> wondering
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2014-05-05T12:50:30 < dongs> loler
2014-05-05T12:50:34 < dongs> did you snap any pics of best korea
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2014-05-05T13:40:56 < dongs> who killed chats
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2014-05-05T16:02:53 < dongs> http://go.intersil.com/hip2103-04 just got spammed by intersil
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2014-05-05T16:09:30 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/UF383-100/259-1516-ND/2417172 nice fan and nice price
2014-05-05T16:18:13 < Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/9142558
2014-05-05T16:18:21 < Laurenceb__> why does this make asm that loops forever?
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2014-05-05T16:19:31 < Laurenceb__> 8007d8c:	e7fe      	b.n	8007d8c
2014-05-05T16:19:37 < Laurenceb__> ^im looping there forever
2014-05-05T16:20:13 < owl-v-> Laurenceb__: that looks cool, can u post ur code?
2014-05-05T16:20:21 < Laurenceb__> maybe...
2014-05-05T16:20:45 < owl-v-> on www.refheap.com?
2014-05-05T16:21:41 < gxti> Laurenceb__: what's pulFaultStackAddress - _estack?
2014-05-05T16:22:09 < Laurenceb__> space to the top of ram
2014-05-05T16:22:14 < gxti> no i mean the value
2014-05-05T16:22:15 < Laurenceb__> ill pastebin it all
2014-05-05T16:22:21 < owl-v-> i think i missed a lot of things wile i was pinged out
2014-05-05T16:22:24 < gxti> if it's >= 1024 you get stuck (uint8_t)
2014-05-05T16:22:39 < Laurenceb__> p  pulFaultStackAddress
2014-05-05T16:22:39 < Laurenceb__> $21 = (uint32_t *) 0x20004f38
2014-05-05T16:23:05 < Laurenceb__> p &_estack
2014-05-05T16:23:05 < Laurenceb__> $22 = (<variable (not text or data), no debug info> *) 0x20005000 <Address 0x20005000 out of bounds>
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2014-05-05T16:23:17 < Laurenceb__> why will it get stuck?
2014-05-05T16:23:22 < Laurenceb__> doesnt n loop around?
2014-05-05T16:23:47 < gxti> it would unless the compiler optimized it away (wraparound is undefined behavior)
2014-05-05T16:24:00 < gxti> does the program work with -O0?
2014-05-05T16:24:09 < Laurenceb__> it wont fit in flash
2014-05-05T16:24:21 < gxti> can you compile just that one file with -O0?
2014-05-05T16:24:33 < Laurenceb__> maybe....
2014-05-05T16:24:49 < gxti> that would rule out optimization weirdness
2014-05-05T16:25:25 < Laurenceb__> ill change n so it explicitly compares it
2014-05-05T16:27:23 < Laurenceb__> asm looks different
2014-05-05T16:27:27 < Laurenceb__> interesting
2014-05-05T16:27:56 < dongs> so stoned
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2014-05-05T16:28:37 < dongs> bedtime
2014-05-05T16:29:09 < dongs> zyp: get that shit done and email it to me
2014-05-05T16:30:33 < Steffanx> dongs killed chatz
2014-05-05T16:32:11 < Laurenceb__> ok that fixed that issue
2014-05-05T16:32:22 < Laurenceb__> seems you cant rely on uint8_t overflowing
2014-05-05T16:33:04 < Laurenceb__> wait no its still stuck
2014-05-05T16:33:05 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2014-05-05T16:33:15 < Laurenceb__> i got confused by interrupts still running
2014-05-05T16:37:11 < owl-v-> why the instructions are in the odd number of address?
2014-05-05T16:38:04 < gxti> owl-v-: the LSB is used to indicate whether the processor is in thumb instruction set or not. cortex-m is always in thumb mode.
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2014-05-05T16:40:43 < Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/9142604
2014-05-05T16:40:46 < Laurenceb__> done
2014-05-05T16:40:49 < Laurenceb__> lame but it works
2014-05-05T16:45:13 < owl-v-> at 0x08000367: ldr r0, [pc, #80] ;  branch to 0x080003b8 ???
2014-05-05T16:45:31 < owl-v-> ops. load instruction
2014-05-05T16:45:36 < Steffanx> LOLOL Laurenceb__ ... #x\r\n",pulFaultStackAddress[ 0 ] <=
2014-05-05T16:45:55 < Steffanx> no spaces anywhere, but between [ and ] you do use spaces ?!
2014-05-05T16:46:25 < gxti> when i stole his i2c code i had to rewrite it to make it readable
2014-05-05T16:46:54 < owl-v-> what does this mean???   >>   0x08000367: ldr r0, [pc, #80] ;  (0x080003b8 <main +132>)
2014-05-05T16:47:25 < gxti> owl-v-: what's your best guess
2014-05-05T16:47:39 < owl-v-> i don't understand the commnet
2014-05-05T16:47:44 < owl-v-> comment
2014-05-05T16:47:51 < gxti> owl-v-: that's the disassembler resolving the relative reference for you
2014-05-05T16:48:50 < owl-v-> but why is that even number?
2014-05-05T16:49:02 < owl-v-> 0x080003b8
2014-05-05T16:49:05 < gxti> because it's data
2014-05-05T16:49:23 < gxti> the odd address thing only applies to instruction addresses, not data
2014-05-05T16:49:45 < owl-v-> that's mind blowing!
2014-05-05T16:49:58 < gxti> if you say so
2014-05-05T16:50:37 < owl-v-> in mips, only even address can be instructions or data
2014-05-05T16:51:14 < gxti> that's still true in arm. the odd address is not really an odd address, it's just the LSB is used for something other than addressing because it's illegal for it to be anything other than an aligned address.
2014-05-05T16:51:48 < gxti> instructions and data still have to be aligned
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2014-05-05T17:03:31 < owl-v-> so if lsb is set in the address then it's thumb instruction?
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2014-05-05T17:07:29 < owl-v-> even branching to 0x08000318, instruction starts at 0x08000319
2014-05-05T17:12:24 < owl-v-> oh, the comment is the next.pc
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2014-05-05T17:13:11 < owl-v-> if ldr is thumb instruction then pc+2
2014-05-05T17:15:16 < jpa-> instructions should be aligned to 16 bit boundaries
2014-05-05T17:15:37 < jpa-> if your instruction is at 0x08000367, that probably means your linker script is missing some align statements
2014-05-05T17:15:55 < jpa-> but check with e.g. objdump
2014-05-05T17:16:02 < jpa-> i don't remember how gdb reports it
2014-05-05T17:16:44 < owl-v-> this linker script is from dekar__
2014-05-05T17:16:54 < jpa-> (oh well, apparently gdb reports odd address, so everything is fine)
2014-05-05T17:17:41 < owl-v-> mm how is that odd address..
2014-05-05T17:17:59 < jpa-> the PC, not the data
2014-05-05T17:18:00 < owl-v-> alinement is different from data?
2014-05-05T17:18:11 < jpa-> but ignore everything i said, gxti already explained it better
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2014-05-05T17:33:00 < owl-v-_> if instruction then set lsb=1 ?
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2014-05-05T17:48:09 < Laurenceb__> http://andelino.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/wank-a-thon/chinas-wankathon-1/
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2014-05-05T17:56:18 < owl-v-_> (int a = 0;) is omitted. after putting (volatile int a = 0;) i was able to see number in debugger.
2014-05-05T17:57:35 < jpa-> Laurenceb__: did you win?
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2014-05-05T19:16:11 < zyp> dongs, done
2014-05-05T19:16:47 < owl-v-_> dongs: do u work with company?
2014-05-05T19:20:40 < Steffanx> i think mr dongs is some freelance guy, but im actually not sure.
2014-05-05T19:21:00 < Steffanx> He does have "offices" all over the world, but he is not the great boss.
2014-05-05T19:21:19 < Steffanx> iirc he also has one on your wonderful country owl-v-_ second best korea
2014-05-05T19:22:06 < Steffanx> some also claim he works for Obama. He went to South Korea around the same time Mr. Obama went to S. Korea
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2014-05-05T19:42:43 < owl-v-__> i'm stuck in the Santa Cruz level in https://microcorruption.com/
2014-05-05T19:43:32 < owl-v-__> can't get the lock open :P
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2014-05-06T01:22:03 < dongs> no doubt
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2014-05-06T01:43:34 < owl-v-_> what's up with this netowrk.
2014-05-06T01:44:10 < emeb> ne - twerk
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2014-05-06T02:12:48 < dongs> owl-v-_: its called "feenode"
2014-05-06T02:12:53 < dongs> you need to pay a fee to stay conected
2014-05-06T02:13:00 < dongs> to the lilo ran over by pink bus fund
2014-05-06T02:13:21 < karlp> hrm only people who ever have problems: owl and dongs....
2014-05-06T02:13:24 < dongs> LOL
2014-05-06T02:13:37 < dongs> yeah i was wondering whats up with that
2014-05-06T02:14:19 < owl-v-_> kerlp: u got a problem with that?
2014-05-06T02:14:29 < karlp> nope, seems you do though :)
2014-05-06T02:14:36 < owl-v-_> :-)
2014-05-06T02:14:56 < owl-v-_> anyone using tab-book?
2014-05-06T02:15:03 < owl-v-_> tablet+notebook
2014-05-06T02:15:30 < dongs> a wat
2014-05-06T02:16:40 < qyx_> only stm32 a-wat's allowed here
2014-05-06T02:17:11 < owl-v-_> a computer that u can use it like a tablet, and when u need physical keyboard then flip it, slide it, or dock it.
2014-05-06T02:17:30 < dongs> yeah i think my yoga2 can do that, the most useless feature ever
2014-05-06T02:17:58 < dongs> i use a computer cuz i wanna get shit done, cant get shit done on a tablet
2014-05-06T02:18:25 < dongs> UGH
2014-05-06T02:18:36 < dongs> i just depaneled 100 boards before programming them
2014-05-06T02:18:47 < dongs> .... was supposed to do that first
2014-05-06T02:21:13 < owl-v-_> i was thinking something like this >> http://youtu.be/GpySOuBzbLQ
2014-05-06T02:22:29 < dongs> http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/yoga-laptop-series/yoga-laptop-2-pro/
2014-05-06T02:23:04 < zyp> called yoga because it can twist in all sorts of weird directions?
2014-05-06T02:23:46 < zyp> «Laptop, Tablet, Stand, and Tent»
2014-05-06T02:23:55 < zyp> ever went camping with it?
2014-05-06T02:24:06 < dongs> lu
2014-05-06T02:24:12 < owl-v-_> that yoga is flipped
2014-05-06T02:25:08 < owl-v-_> what looks quite heavy
2014-05-06T02:25:13 < dongs> um
2014-05-06T02:25:21 < dongs> ~1kg for a 13" laptop?
2014-05-06T02:25:26 < dongs> what do you define as heavy
2014-05-06T02:26:03 < owl-v-_> heavier than my macbook-air
2014-05-06T02:26:11 < dongs> yeah, and about 10x more useful
2014-05-06T02:26:12 < owl-v-_> ^ def
2014-05-06T02:26:20 < dongs> speaking of fail, I need to sell my CF-R9
2014-05-06T02:26:31 < dongs> maybe you want it, since it has screen size you like
2014-05-06T02:26:49 < owl-v-_> i want core i7
2014-05-06T02:26:54 < owl-v-_> haswell
2014-05-06T02:27:03 < dongs> it has some i7
2014-05-06T02:27:24 < dongs> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideapad-yoga-2-pro-ultrabook-2-in-1-13-3-touch-screen-laptop-8gb-memory-silver/1817254.p?id=1219065404810 yoga2 has i7 also.
2014-05-06T02:27:35 < dongs> no idea haswll or watever. probably? since its new
2014-05-06T02:28:00 < owl-v-_> lol that windows logo is as ugly as hell
2014-05-06T02:28:22 < zyp> dongs, it says 4th generation, that's haswell
2014-05-06T02:28:35 < dongs> ok. probably right then.
2014-05-06T02:29:29 < zyp> files I sent you ok?
2014-05-06T02:29:41 < dongs> should be, ill fwd them over .. right now
2014-05-06T02:29:58 < owl-v-_> this guy said this one is 2lb >> http://youtu.be/j9Ng2wTN6OQ
2014-05-06T02:30:38 < zyp> is laptop weight that important?
2014-05-06T02:31:45 < zyp> huh, weighed my laptop, apparently it's exactly 2.00 kg
2014-05-06T02:31:55 < dongs> it doesnt fit into kawaii purse he needs to wear
2014-05-06T02:32:32 < owl-v-_> kawaii purse :-)
2014-05-06T02:34:40 < zyp> hmm, my laptop isn't the heaviest shit I tend to stuff into my backpack either
2014-05-06T02:35:00 < zyp> pulled out the camera gear I brought with me for the weekend - 3.7 kg
2014-05-06T02:38:04 < dongs> yea yoga2 being 1.3kg or someshit is certianly not a deal breaker
2014-05-06T02:38:45 < dongs> i could have trashbook air for more $ and 1024x768 screen and only 900 grams, wow!11
2014-05-06T02:38:53 < dongs> such deal
2014-05-06T02:39:12 < zyp> doesn't even MBA have retina panels nowadays?
2014-05-06T02:39:18 < dongs> no
2014-05-06T02:39:20 < dongs> apparentely not
2014-05-06T02:39:24 < dongs> checked and was disgusted
2014-05-06T02:39:37 < dongs> https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/specs.html
2014-05-06T02:39:44 < dongs> not eve 1080piss
2014-05-06T02:39:49 < dongs> 1366 by 768 (native)
2014-05-06T02:39:52 < dongs> what a fucking joke
2014-05-06T02:40:54 < zyp> looks like lightest retina macbook is 1.6kg
2014-05-06T02:41:09 < owl-v-_> only in korea? >> http://youtu.be/fBHtL_dBa94
2014-05-06T02:41:21 < owl-v-_> ^ lg gram
2014-05-06T02:41:58 < dongs> CF-R9 did this 3 years ago
2014-05-06T02:41:59 < owl-v-_> ^ that envelop ...
2014-05-06T02:42:06 < dongs> 930 gram
2014-05-06T02:42:20 < dongs> http://www.netbookchoice.com/2010/01/25/panasonic-cf-r9-intel-core-i7-cpu-squeezed-into-10-4%E2%80%9D-netbook/
2014-05-06T02:42:28 < zyp> I think my vaio is 600g or so
2014-05-06T02:42:34 < owl-v-_> dongs: u live in japan?
2014-05-06T02:42:39 < dongs> sure
2014-05-06T02:42:47 < dongs> but i dont own any kawaii purses.
2014-05-06T02:43:36 < owl-v-_> that look like a brick >> http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/492/492796/pana_588x.jpg
2014-05-06T02:43:45 < owl-v-_> ^ CF-R9
2014-05-06T02:43:49 < dongs> it does, but its mostly air
2014-05-06T02:44:02 < dongs> you can supposedly step on it and it still works
2014-05-06T02:44:09 < dongs> half the screen cover is empty, same inside
2014-05-06T02:44:26 < owl-v-_> lol
2014-05-06T02:44:28 < zyp> I bought a vaio p11 on one of my japan trips
2014-05-06T02:45:14 < owl-v-_> please don't buy cheap vio. try buying high end.
2014-05-06T02:45:21 < owl-v-_> vaio
2014-05-06T02:45:28 < dongs> vaio is dead anyway
2014-05-06T02:45:30 < zyp> not sure where I put it, it's so small it tends to get lost under a bunch of shit
2014-05-06T02:45:43 < dongs> ugh, atom?
2014-05-06T02:45:47 < zyp> yeah
2014-05-06T02:45:47 < dongs> i saw some vaio wiht atom
2014-05-06T02:45:50 < dongs> P610 or P160 or so
2014-05-06T02:45:54 < dongs> holy balls it was terible
2014-05-06T02:45:59 < zyp> it is
2014-05-06T02:46:19 < zyp> but the 1600x768 on 8" was kinda nice for the time
2014-05-06T02:46:35 < zyp> I bought it when 1024x600 netbooks were all the rage
2014-05-06T02:46:45 < dongs> hm that sounds similar to the shit I looked at
2014-05-06T02:46:52 < dongs> it was also some oddball very high horizontal rez
2014-05-06T02:46:55 < owl-v-_> near future, we'll be using something like it in the future (Terminator) >> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/11/11-3-07-ux490.jpg
2014-05-06T02:47:18 < dongs> terminator used atari portfolio.
2014-05-06T02:47:21 < dongs> I actually had that.
2014-05-06T02:47:31 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Portfolio
2014-05-06T02:47:38 < owl-v-_> this sure is kawaii >> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/sony-vaio-p-xp-japan.jpg
2014-05-06T02:47:50 < dongs> ya this was the shit I used.
2014-05-06T02:47:53 < dongs> absolutely horrible
2014-05-06T02:47:54 < dongs> slow
2014-05-06T02:48:13 < zyp> I used it to compile a windows port of some shit I wrote once
2014-05-06T02:48:22 < zyp> I didn't realize compiling could go that slow
2014-05-06T02:49:28 < dongs> < zyp> I didn't realize computing could go that slow
2014-05-06T02:49:30 < dongs> ftfy
2014-05-06T02:49:34 < zyp> true
2014-05-06T02:49:58 < zyp> was fine enough if all you needed it for was browsing the web and taking notes though
2014-05-06T02:50:25 < dongs> i think P610 also came with vista
2014-05-06T02:50:27 < dongs> since 2009
2014-05-06T02:50:33 < dongs> and 1gbn ram
2014-05-06T02:50:42 < zyp> mine came with win7 and 2gb
2014-05-06T02:50:48 < dongs> yours was later then
2014-05-06T02:50:56 < zyp> yes, bought it in 2010
2014-05-06T02:52:08 < dongs> anyway ill stick with yoga2 until they put 4k scren into 13"
2014-05-06T02:53:31 < owl-v-_> lol 4k
2014-05-06T02:54:18 < dongs> its currewnt rez is pretty close
2014-05-06T02:54:20 < dongs> 3200x1800 or someshit
2014-05-06T02:54:28 < dongs> only ~600 more pixels to go for 4k
2014-05-06T02:55:14 < zyp> I'd probably get one of the retina macbooks if I needed a new laptop today
2014-05-06T02:55:14 < owl-v-_> yoga or gram or tab-book2; hm.... (scratch~* scratch~*)
2014-05-06T02:55:33 < zyp> but then again I care about OS X more than windows
2014-05-06T02:55:38 < dongs> zyp, why? a better spec PC costs less.
2014-05-06T02:55:40 < dongs> "care"
2014-05-06T02:55:51 < dongs> so you LIKE getting nothing done wiht single-threaded Finder?
2014-05-06T02:56:05 < dongs> SPINNING BEACHBALL WAIT F OR IT
2014-05-06T02:56:28 < owl-v-_> i like terminal
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2014-05-06T02:56:40 < zyp> yeah
2014-05-06T02:56:56 < dongs> seems the only purpose for new macbook airs is running itunes fullscreen
2014-05-06T02:57:01 < dongs> while sitting at starbucks
2014-05-06T02:57:12 < owl-v-_> when i get new notebook, i'll make dual-boot
2014-05-06T02:57:14 < zyp> I don't even have itunes installed :p
2014-05-06T02:57:19 < dongs> bullshit
2014-05-06T02:57:23 < dongs> thats part of core macos, no?
2014-05-06T02:57:32 < zyp> no, it's removable
2014-05-06T02:57:46 < zyp> I got tired of it's bullshit so I deleted it
2014-05-06T02:57:52 < owl-v-_> sudo rm -rf /*
2014-05-06T02:58:10 < dongs> "dragged to the trash"
2014-05-06T02:58:22 < zyp> fucking shit insisted on starting every time I hit the play/pause button with the intention to control another media player
2014-05-06T02:58:31 < zyp> so I got rid of it
2014-05-06T02:59:05 < Simon--> I miss the bulging trash icon
2014-05-06T02:59:06 < dongs> lol mac has play softbuttons?
2014-05-06T02:59:10 < dongs> are they under Fn key?
2014-05-06T02:59:14 < zyp> yes
2014-05-06T03:00:20 < zyp> bunch of the f-keys have other functions, and you can select whether you want standard f-key functionality by default or other functions, and then fn+f* for the other
2014-05-06T03:01:10 < dongs> yeah. most new laptops come with Fn functionality by default but luckily you can swap in bios
2014-05-06T03:01:29 < dongs> like what the fuck, doesnt anyone heard of actually using F-keys for shit
2014-05-06T03:01:34 < zyp> on macs you can swap in control panel
2014-05-06T03:01:50 < dongs> that cuz macs have no usable bios thanks to steve
2014-05-06T03:01:58 < zyp> true
2014-05-06T03:02:25 < dongs> also im pretty sure you need itunes to goto apple store and to open support ticket
2014-05-06T03:02:35 < dongs> so you can get visited by a geneius bar
2014-05-06T03:02:58 < zyp> app store for os x is a separate application and works fine without itunes
2014-05-06T03:03:12 < zyp> but you might need it to buy shit for iphone/ipad
2014-05-06T03:03:14 < dongs> oh is it? i thought they were same at some point
2014-05-06T03:03:22 < dongs> hmm
2014-05-06T03:03:27 < dongs> what does osx appstore sell?
2014-05-06T03:03:31 < zyp> os x apps
2014-05-06T03:03:32 < dongs> like iWorks and shit?
2014-05-06T03:03:33 < dongs> or wahtever
2014-05-06T03:03:33 < owl-v-_> apps
2014-05-06T03:03:35 < zyp> yes
2014-05-06T03:03:50 < dongs> and it was never part of itunes?
2014-05-06T03:03:55 < zyp> and OS X upgrades
2014-05-06T03:03:57 < zyp> no
2014-05-06T03:04:06 < owl-v-_> they sell osx
2014-05-06T03:04:09 < zyp> but I believe iphone/ipad app store is
2014-05-06T03:04:11 < dongs> isnt osx free
2014-05-06T03:04:18 < zyp> now it is
2014-05-06T03:04:27 < zyp> but you still get it from there
2014-05-06T03:04:36 < zyp> previous versions were bought from there
2014-05-06T03:04:39 < dongs> but they still sell it on inertia to stupid mac users who are willing to pay?
2014-05-06T03:05:14 < zyp> there's no pay involved
2014-05-06T03:05:20 < zyp> it costs 0
2014-05-06T03:05:26 < zyp> but still downloads the same way
2014-05-06T03:05:32 < owl-v-_> if the hardware is too old, it can't be upgraded to Mavericks
2014-05-06T03:05:45 < owl-v-_> costs 0 only for Mavericks
2014-05-06T03:05:50 < zyp> owl-v-_, and that's completely irrelevant
2014-05-06T03:05:50 < owl-v-_> so far
2014-05-06T03:06:17 < owl-v-_> my macmini can't be upgraded to mavericks
2014-05-06T03:06:27 < dongs> has there been any innovation in macos
2014-05-06T03:06:31 < dongs>  in the last decade or so anyway
2014-05-06T03:06:31 < owl-v-_> core 2 duo
2014-05-06T03:06:33 < dongs> its still same shit
2014-05-06T03:06:44 < owl-v-_> i know!
2014-05-06T03:06:58 < owl-v-_> sexy aluminum body~!
2014-05-06T03:06:59 < zyp> innovation in what sense? actual innovation or ripping off features?
2014-05-06T03:07:26 < dongs> i mean like anythign that would make mne go "wow, i want mac"
2014-05-06T03:07:37 < owl-v-_> i would say... ipod button?
2014-05-06T03:07:47 < zyp> nothing would make you go «wow, I want mac»
2014-05-06T03:07:59 < owl-v-_> macbook-air was wow to me
2014-05-06T03:08:08 < dongs> you must be easily amused
2014-05-06T03:08:13 < owl-v-_> haha
2014-05-06T03:08:24 < owl-v-_> i'm so~ amused
2014-05-06T03:08:26 < zyp> wow, such lightness
2014-05-06T03:08:33 < zyp> much air
2014-05-06T03:08:44 < dongs> so doge
2014-05-06T03:09:06 < zyp> how much innovation has there been in windows lately then?
2014-05-06T03:09:19 < dongs> zyp, windows 8
2014-05-06T03:09:24 < dongs> innovation on top of innovation
2014-05-06T03:09:29 < zyp> because the metro bullshit microsoft are dicking around with certainly isn't making me go «wow, I want windows»
2014-05-06T03:09:36 < dongs> it did for me
2014-05-06T03:09:46 < dongs> its like a start menu without all the aids
2014-05-06T03:09:53 < dongs> before my start menu was just a huge list of pinned apps
2014-05-06T03:10:09 < dongs> now i can group them and shit, and its much easier to see them all at once and start
2014-05-06T03:10:22 < owl-v-_> to me, windows 8 was (interesting...) but not wow
2014-05-06T03:10:47 < zyp> note that I haven't actually used win8, so I have no real opinion of it
2014-05-06T03:10:57 < zyp> win7 works nicely for my windows needs
2014-05-06T03:11:41 < owl-v-_> win vista was sh*t
2014-05-06T03:12:31 < zyp> I didn't ever use that either
2014-05-06T03:12:56 < dongs> vista was OK but hardware it was loaded on was not
2014-05-06T03:13:02 < dongs> i.e. vista on atom w/1gb ram = holy shit
2014-05-06T03:13:11 < dongs> but vista on 4gb ram and proper machine = usable for the time
2014-05-06T03:13:21 < owl-v-_> my os path: MSDOS->WIN98->WIN2000->WIN-ME->WINxp->Linux->OSX->OSX(10.9)
2014-05-06T03:13:43 < zyp> I haven't bothered upgrading to 10.9 either
2014-05-06T03:13:51 < emeb> heh
2014-05-06T03:13:55 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2014-05-06T03:13:57 < emeb> still on 10.6 :P
2014-05-06T03:14:03 < owl-v-_> i did it because... well? why not?
2014-05-06T03:14:09 < dongs> so basically you went from winxp back into 2 decades
2014-05-06T03:14:53 < owl-v-_> wait, WIN98->WIN-ME->WIN2000
2014-05-06T03:14:53 < owl-v-_> ya
2014-05-06T03:15:04 < owl-v-_> this order is correct
2014-05-06T03:15:18 < owl-v-_> ME came out first.
2014-05-06T03:15:28 < dongs> ME was great
2014-05-06T03:15:37 < dongs> it made my old amd laptop boot super fast
2014-05-06T03:15:46 < dongs> all the haters complaining just didnt know how to compute
2014-05-06T03:16:01 < owl-v-_> despite of name 2000 it came out after y2k, maybe a year later...
2014-05-06T03:16:28 < owl-v-_> ME had bad drivers at that time. crashed my vaio desktop
2014-05-06T03:16:45 < owl-v-_> blue screen almost every week
2014-05-06T03:16:54 < dongs> stop using shit drivers then
2014-05-06T03:17:06 < owl-v-_> it came with it
2014-05-06T03:17:08 < dongs> all windows problems are stupid user inflicted
2014-05-06T03:17:13 < dongs> .. lol preinstalled windows
2014-05-06T03:17:32 < dongs> first thing I did on yoga2 was repartition it, dump ~30gigs of recovery garbage, and reinstall win8.1
2014-05-06T03:18:20 < dongs> if sony doesnt know how to write drivers its their problem not mine
2014-05-06T03:18:25 < owl-v-_> my professor told me that most of the crash come from poorly written code from taiwan. :P
2014-05-06T03:19:19 < owl-v-_> maybe because they have most of the pc hardware manufactures.
2014-05-06T03:20:43 < owl-v-_> it may be that it's not only sony's problem but also supplier's problem
2014-05-06T03:22:36 < dongs> well
2014-05-06T03:22:36 < dongs> no
2014-05-06T03:22:43 < dongs> if they just used shit as supplied it'd be oK
2014-05-06T03:22:52 < dongs> but sony is well known for changing just enough shit to make official drivers not work
2014-05-06T03:22:55 < dongs> and require thier customized trash
2014-05-06T03:23:52 < dongs> duno about now but 2010 and before, shit like webcams in their laptops would all need "special" sony drivers and while it was some OV or wahtever chips/chipsets the generic drivers ditn do shit or you had to hax them to make suff work.
2014-05-06T03:23:59 < dongs> and of course sony would not release 64bit drivers for thier legacy shit
2014-05-06T03:24:01 < dongs> bla b la bla
2014-05-06T03:24:17 < Simon--> maybe all the world needs is another sata controller
2014-05-06T03:24:31 < dongs> why not two
2014-05-06T03:24:37 < dongs> fucking jmicron shit
2014-05-06T03:24:40 < dongs> why do they even exist
2014-05-06T03:24:42 < dongs> low quality filth
2014-05-06T03:27:50 < owl-v-_> they just want profit
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2014-05-06T03:34:46 < owl-v-_> man, i don't like that windows touch ui
2014-05-06T03:35:31 < dongs> nobody forcing you to touch it
2014-05-06T03:36:12 < owl-v-_> i want to use it if i can, but that f*in ui...
2014-05-06T03:37:24 < owl-v-_> oh no! no mousepad!
2014-05-06T03:40:53 < owl-v-_> don't worry... if i dual-boot linux...
2014-05-06T03:41:31 < owl-v-_> everything will be on terminal  >:-D
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2014-05-06T03:52:37 < owl-v-_> i guess i won't be using convertible computer
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2014-05-06T04:23:55 < dongs> enjoy your shitty screen
2014-05-06T04:24:04 < dongs> tho I guess anything is an improvement over trashbook air
2014-05-06T04:25:02 < dongs> will you get the pink version
2014-05-06T04:25:18 < emeb_mac> kawaiibook air
2014-05-06T04:25:28 < owl-v-_> i think core i7 version is white color
2014-05-06T04:25:50 < dongs> ah, i7 for pros, only white
2014-05-06T04:25:53 < dongs> no deal for me then
2014-05-06T04:26:29 < owl-v-_> the colored versions are core i3
2014-05-06T04:26:55 < owl-v-_> color adds more kawaii
2014-05-06T04:26:56 < dongs> i would have preferred if it weighted 1818grams.
2014-05-06T04:35:32 < owl-v-_> lol that's almost 2kg
2014-05-06T04:36:05 < owl-v-_> that's weight of my backpack
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2014-05-06T04:53:04 < owl-v-_> lol what happened to amd laptop? they are gone from my google radar.
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2014-05-06T05:53:35 < dongs> dead by chat
2014-05-06T05:54:44 < englishman> radio dev http://i.imgur.com/QOWUILY.jpg
2014-05-06T05:55:11 < dongs> cloned/stolen IP
2014-05-06T05:55:15 < englishman> ?
2014-05-06T05:55:19 < dongs> just trolling
2014-05-06T05:55:24 < englishman> oh, ok.
2014-05-06T05:55:45 < englishman> if it was cloned i'd be smart enough to move swd further from the usb
2014-05-06T05:56:16 < dongs> heh
2014-05-06T05:56:18 < dongs> does it bump?
2014-05-06T05:56:31 < englishman> yeah but it's enough to stay in
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2014-05-06T06:50:50 < dongs> Today, a bird got into the walls of my house through a hole. I located where it was by following the chirping and scratching sounds, and drilled a hole to get it out. I pulled out the drill, only to find the drill bit bloody. Suddenly, no more chirps. FML
2014-05-06T06:50:54 < dongs> lol
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2014-05-06T08:10:29 < emeb_mac> ugh
2014-05-06T08:10:35 < emeb_mac> dead bird in the walls
2014-05-06T08:10:42 < emeb_mac> that's gonna smell good
2014-05-06T08:18:56 < dongs> probably not much worse than a typical american house
2014-05-06T08:29:24 < emeb_mac> lol
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2014-05-06T11:38:05 < nowords> anyone had issues with OAR2 when using I2C? i.e. address being shifted incorrectly
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2014-05-06T11:40:32 < dekar> dongs, so you intended to drill a hole huge enough to pull the bird through?
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2014-05-06T16:30:02 < owl-v-> when will we be able to use radiation hardened parts? >> https://community.freescale.com/community/the-embedded-beat/blog/2012/04/23/the-right-stuff-how-a-communications-processor-became-the-smarts-of-a-flight-computer
2014-05-06T16:33:19 < dongs> didnt help 20 feescale engineers on mh370
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2014-05-06T16:38:18 < owl-v-> what mcu/mpu/fpga would u use for sapce-flight?
2014-05-06T16:39:07 < karlp> get job in space first,
2014-05-06T16:39:11 < karlp> then ask colleagues
2014-05-06T16:39:20 < karlp> not exactly something I'd start with choosing the part
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2014-05-06T16:49:00 < GargantuaSauce> super expensive hardened versions of old-ass PowerPC cpus
2014-05-06T16:49:50 < GargantuaSauce> the MSL uses a RAD750
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2014-05-06T16:51:06 < GargantuaSauce> same thing as was in the original iMacs, incidentally
2014-05-06T16:51:40 < Tectu> unknown target exception 0x4000001f at 0x414e86
2014-05-06T16:51:41 < Tectu> \o/
2014-05-06T16:54:41 < dongs> kawaii exception
2014-05-06T16:55:57 < owl-v-> should i get macbook pro?
2014-05-06T16:56:13 < owl-v-> T.T
2014-05-06T16:56:22 < dongs> not kawaii enough
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2014-05-06T17:11:28 < Claude> mars rover runs on 8051 iirc
2014-05-06T17:12:00 < Claude> and the nasa was sourcing 80186 some years ago :)
2014-05-06T17:15:49 < effractur> no
2014-05-06T17:15:55 < effractur> the mars rovers run op powerpc
2014-05-06T17:16:06 < karlp> all of them? there's a few of them
2014-05-06T17:16:11 < effractur> most of them
2014-05-06T17:16:16 < effractur> run on the RAD* series
2014-05-06T17:16:33 < effractur> afaik run all mars rovers on the RAD cpus
2014-05-06T17:16:49 < effractur> the RAD6000 and the RAD750
2014-05-06T17:17:17 < effractur> powerpc 601 and powerpc 750
2014-05-06T17:17:20 < effractur> as cores
2014-05-06T17:24:21 < owl-v-> can't we make opensource radiation hardened chips?
2014-05-06T17:26:30 < karlp> for who?
2014-05-06T17:26:57 < dongs> dickstarter opportunity
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2014-05-06T17:30:57 < emeb> such a huge market
2014-05-06T17:31:03 < emeb> all the makers want them now
2014-05-06T17:31:25 < Claude> http://www.maxwell.com/products/microelectronics/docs/hsn1000_rev3.pdf
2014-05-06T17:31:27 < Claude> :)
2014-05-06T17:32:17 < owl-v-> i kinda want to make uav that flies very high
2014-05-06T17:32:39 < dongs> ask Laurenceb__ for baloon info
2014-05-06T17:32:47 < owl-v-> or go in radio-active zone
2014-05-06T17:32:57 < owl-v-> like japan
2014-05-06T17:33:08 < dongs> you can hover over my house
2014-05-06T17:33:10 < owl-v-> or best korea
2014-05-06T17:33:19 < owl-v-> :-)
2014-05-06T17:33:48 < owl-v-> dongs: u live in japan, don't u?
2014-05-06T17:34:05 < dongs> you asked this ebfore
2014-05-06T17:34:20 < dongs> i havent moved since then
2014-05-06T17:34:26 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-06T17:34:57 < owl-v-> y? ur house is radio-active zone?
2014-05-06T17:35:10 < owl-v-> radio->radiation
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2014-05-06T17:36:15 < BrainDamage> radiation turned him into some sort of hulk, he uses his powers to troll makers
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2014-05-06T17:42:18 < Laurenceb__> http://spacenear.us/tracker/
2014-05-06T17:42:26 < Laurenceb__> no APRS over the pacific :-/
2014-05-06T17:51:03 < owl-v-> what's that?
2014-05-06T17:52:32 < owl-v-> lol did they edited the path through russia
2014-05-06T17:52:33 < BrainDamage> aprs is a standard for packet radio that many balloons use to report their position
2014-05-06T17:52:34 < owl-v-> ?
2014-05-06T17:53:49 < owl-v-> atmel and nasa >> http://atmelcorporation.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/11-interview-with-manu-sharma-creator-of-ardulab-and-co-founder-of-infinity-aerospace/
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2014-05-06T18:04:30 < dongs> owl-v-: not edited, it flew over it
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2014-05-06T18:08:50 < owl-v-> i know it flew over it , but i think there were some missing data :P
2014-05-06T18:09:14 < owl-v-> damn, this 'clang' f*in me up.
2014-05-06T18:10:11 < dongs> well yes
2014-05-06T18:10:28 < dongs> in soviet russia, you dont receive signals
2014-05-06T18:10:53 < owl-v-> it got one point :P
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2014-05-06T18:18:11 < owl-v-> don't u think most linux distributions are blobbed too much? even in embedded systems...
2014-05-06T18:18:58 < Claude> nope
2014-05-06T18:19:06 < BrainDamage> define blobbed
2014-05-06T18:20:05 < Claude> you aren't forced to use openembedded/yocto or other bloat...
2014-05-06T18:20:22 < owl-v-> what do u thing of using netbsd or minix3 in next project?
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2014-05-06T18:22:20 < Claude> would not happen here, i'm too familar with linux to change to an other os just for fun
2014-05-06T18:24:09 < Claude> i can get a usable linux os in less than 8mb of flash and get boot times below 5 seconds without much effort. i don't need bsd or minix (yet)
2014-05-06T18:24:47 < owl-v-> minix3 has very interesting feature
2014-05-06T18:24:57 < owl-v-> eats bugs!
2014-05-06T18:27:08 < karlp> Claude: what fs are you using for fast boots?
2014-05-06T18:27:26 < karlp> even after redboot/uboot are finished here, with only 16mg flash it's still ..... slwo... to get up
2014-05-06T18:27:40 < karlp> jffs2 is part of it, but all the networking bring up still takes ages
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2014-05-06T18:28:16 < Claude> ext4 on sd , jffs2 on nand
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2014-05-06T18:29:17 < Claude> yeah networking takes ages , but you can delay the startup to a later point in the runlevel most times. e.g. start ui , then start networking
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2014-05-06T18:33:11 < owl-v-> uboot is really slow
2014-05-06T18:33:26 < owl-v-> y is that?
2014-05-06T18:33:27 < Claude> karlp, also setting to kernel to silent helps a lot. printk's need a lot of time if the kernel is verbose
2014-05-06T18:34:11 < karlp> well, the only ui is the network for me :)
2014-05-06T18:34:22 < karlp> until I can sssh/http to it, it might as well not exist
2014-05-06T18:35:07 < Claude> depends on the uboot :) if uboot is build with all features enabled and with a fairly long key press timeout... also loading an uncompressed kernel might help . saves some 100ms
2014-05-06T18:37:38 < Claude> karlp, do you enable networking in uboot/redboot? then you can save also some time by not reinitalize the phy/mac in linux again
2014-05-06T18:37:59 < Claude> hacky but works :)
2014-05-06T18:39:36 < karlp> hoho, not going to go that far :)
2014-05-06T18:39:43 < Claude> :)
2014-05-06T18:39:52 < karlp> I just use openwrt and call it a day to be honest
2014-05-06T18:40:12 < karlp> don't really _need_ fast boots anyway, only for development
2014-05-06T18:40:58 < Claude> ah okay , well openwrt is fine . most times i use : https://github.com/buserror-uk/minifs or buildroot when i'm lazy
2014-05-06T18:42:35 < Claude> a bit complicated on minifs to add new packages ...
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2014-05-06T19:52:01 < synic> Miek: welp, I guess he just doesn't care.
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2014-05-06T19:53:08 < synic> can't really recommend BMP with that in mind
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2014-05-06T20:33:08 < manuel__> hey of you people who have done usb, is there a way to recognize if the usb device has been opened on the HOST side (as in, the HOST is polling the device endpoints)?
2014-05-06T20:33:30 < manuel__> I can recognize as far as the device being configured, but once it has been configured I can’t recognize if my software is running or not
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2014-05-06T20:35:31 < karlp> why doyou need to?
2014-05-06T20:35:47 < karlp> if you are using an existing class, just do what it needs, if you are using private stuff, you can tell your device yourself?
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2014-05-06T20:36:20 < manuel__> to recognize if the program crashes, using my own private stuff
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2014-05-06T20:37:10 < manuel__> i figured it would be possible to find out if an endpoint is getting polled
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2014-05-06T20:39:16 < karlp> it might be, I don't know myself :)
2014-05-06T20:39:50 < Steffanx> zyp is our local usb expert :)
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2014-05-06T20:49:57 < zyp> no, that's not possible
2014-05-06T20:50:18 < jpa-> yes, it's true
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2014-05-06T20:51:24 < zyp> on an IN endpoint, unless you have a package scheduled for transmission, IN tokens will be completely ignored by the hardware
2014-05-06T20:51:25 < Steffanx> no wouldn't dare to disagree with zyp either, jpa-  :P
2014-05-06T20:51:28 < jpa-> manuel__: maybe you can schedule a 0-byte transfer and see if it goes through?
2014-05-06T20:51:38 < zyp> yes, that's one option
2014-05-06T20:51:53 < jpa-> Steffanx: i was actually agreeing with you :)
2014-05-06T20:54:39 < zyp> manuel__, what is your application? what would you use the information for if it were available? what kind of transfers are you doing?
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2014-05-06T20:55:09 < zyp> what kind of action would you take if you detect that the host stops polling?
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2014-05-06T20:56:35 < __rob> hello, does anyone know of a lightweight (code size) STL ?
2014-05-06T20:57:25 < __rob> the implemntation I have seems to use up 1000 bytes when I instanciate a std::vector and push_back, in an optimized build
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2014-05-06T21:04:54 < manuel__> display things on the USB
2014-05-06T21:05:01 < manuel__> i thought there might be a flag of the hardware telling me more
2014-05-06T21:05:19 < manuel__> i’ll add a special USB command i guess
2014-05-06T21:07:00 < manuel__> i ahve a BULK IN and a BULK OUT
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2014-05-06T21:16:50 < Miek> synic: :(
2014-05-06T21:17:30 < Steffanx> Not following it all, but dont forget mr gsmu[something] is a busy man Miek/ synic :P
2014-05-06T21:17:39 < Steffanx> gsmc*
2014-05-06T21:18:03 < synic> I understand, but if he's *too* busy, perhaps there should be a disclaimer
2014-05-06T21:18:15 < superbia> Steffanx: do u do all stm stuff+eagle on osx
2014-05-06T21:18:30 < Steffanx> yes.
2014-05-06T21:18:38 < superbia> works flawless?
2014-05-06T21:18:52 < Miek> Steffanx: just a quick message to acknowledge it would be good though
2014-05-06T21:19:20 < Steffanx> Nah, EAGLE has some small UI issues, but it is the best (free) option here superbia
2014-05-06T21:19:42 < zyp> UI issues?
2014-05-06T21:19:53 < zyp> I didn't have any problems last time I used it
2014-05-06T21:19:58 < Steffanx> Sure, but one can say he is not responsible Miek :P He's not the one who sold you it :P
2014-05-06T21:20:06 < Steffanx> he only ~maintains the repo
2014-05-06T21:20:16 < superbia> thx Steffanx
2014-05-06T21:21:26 < zyp> synic, disclaimer for what?
2014-05-06T21:21:55 < Steffanx> Yes, sometimes moving parts is "broken" here.
2014-05-06T21:22:14 < zyp> bmp is GPL-licensed and GPL contains a disclaimer that tells you that you strictly are on your own
2014-05-06T21:22:14 < synic> zyp: current BMPs being sold have broken bootloaders
2014-05-06T21:22:35 < zyp> so you can't really say there's no disclaimer
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2014-05-06T21:23:10 < synic> all I'm saying is that it's $70.  if there's not even the slightest sign of interest in supporting, I won't recommend it
2014-05-06T21:23:17 < synic> I'm not saying he should send me my money back or anything like that
2014-05-06T21:24:11 < Steffanx> What does tag-connect say about it synic? They sold you the bmp not?
2014-05-06T21:24:43 < Miek> Steffanx: nobody sold me my one :D
2014-05-06T21:24:46 < synic> They haven't replied either, but I suspect they are trying to contact gsmcmullin
2014-05-06T21:25:00 < zyp> synic, you mean it's only $70
2014-05-06T21:25:19 < Steffanx> sure Miek, for you it's what dongs would call: open sores :P
2014-05-06T21:25:22 < zyp> if you want commercial level support, you can go buy a $400+ jlink
2014-05-06T21:25:27 < synic> even if I paid $0, and it was only code, I still wouldn't recommend it
2014-05-06T21:25:39 < Steffanx> i would :0
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2014-05-06T21:27:27 < Steffanx> Anyway zyp: the issue with EAGLE: when you place a component the component isnt show here( @ cursor position) until i move the cursor out of the window and back to the eagle window :S
2014-05-06T21:27:30 < Miek> i'll happily commit a fix :p but being new to the codebase i'm not going to do anything until i get some feedback
2014-05-06T21:28:06 < Steffanx> im wondering, it's an issue of the bootloader not? Could it be a issue in libopencm3?
2014-05-06T21:28:22 < Steffanx> that's what the bmp is based on irrc
2014-05-06T21:28:24 < Steffanx> *iirc
2014-05-06T21:28:32 < Miek> it was an issue in libopencm3 that broke the bootloader
2014-05-06T21:28:47 < Steffanx> oh it's already solved?
2014-05-06T21:29:02 < Miek> upgrading to the latest libopencm3 master fixes it for me
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2014-05-06T21:29:08 < Steffanx> Ah ok
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2014-05-06T21:34:47 < Tectu> upgrading to the latest master always fixes everything
2014-05-06T21:35:11 < Steffanx> and introduces sometime else.
2014-05-06T21:35:25 < Tectu> not in my repos
2014-05-06T21:36:30 < Steffanx> where is the "tears because of laughing"-emoticon?
2014-05-06T21:36:42 < Tectu> no idea, but seriously, everybody uses the ugfx master
2014-05-06T21:36:57 < Tectu> I really just do releases so I can say that I do them
2014-05-06T21:54:30 < synic> woot, I sent another email to tag-connect with a link to the ticket
2014-05-06T21:54:44 < synic> says gareth emailed him about an hour ago and said not to sell anymore until it's fixed
2014-05-06T21:54:57 < synic> so he is indeed aware
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2014-05-06T21:59:28 < Miek> and he's replied on the issue, cool :)
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2014-05-06T22:47:30 < owl-v-> hey! i might have found y the kickstarter project used msp430. this is the first satellite by "average Joe" >> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ossicode/OSSI-1Electronics/master/OSSI-1%20Beacon/image/Beacon_T.jpg
2014-05-06T22:48:32 < Steffanx> good morning owl-v- ! :D
2014-05-06T22:48:43 < owl-v-> XD
2014-05-06T22:51:53 < owl-v-> this guy used msp430
2014-05-06T22:54:22 < owl-v-> and here is like "how-to" of msp430 satellite >> http://www.cubesatkit.com/docs/press/pumpkin_MSP430_ATC2004.pdf
2014-05-06T22:57:20 < owl-v-> but it's not radiation hardened :-(
2014-05-06T22:59:33 < madist> don't need radiation hardened.
2014-05-06T22:59:45 < madist> just send up 5 mcus, and do a best-of among them.
2014-05-06T23:00:32 < madist> arrange them physically in a layout that ensures the same particle is not going to crash through all 5 mcus.
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2014-05-06T23:11:31 < owl-v-> i don't think any of those will survice.
2014-05-06T23:14:26 < bvernoux> anyway watchdog exist too in case SEU crash the sw
2014-05-06T23:14:52 < bvernoux> but at 350KM of earth i imagine there more than SEU but MBU
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2014-05-06T23:28:49 < owl-v-> do u really think that radiation is the real cause?
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2014-05-06T23:53:50 < bvernoux> it is a major cause of crash
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2014-05-06T23:54:22 < bvernoux> it is why they have some board not sending any signal during weeks ...
2014-05-06T23:55:41 < bvernoux> it seems no one even use an external watchdog or even the internal ones
2014-05-06T23:56:09 < bvernoux> and use some safety rules like triplication of data avoid using an OS as lot of RAM are used ....
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2014-05-06T23:56:40 < owl-v-> i thought watchdogs are cool
2014-05-06T23:57:31 < owl-v-> that ti's cortex-r4 looks good for this kind of project except it requires more current than msp430
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2014-05-06T23:58:38 < owl-v-> this guy sent his own satellite using msp430; he doesn't know if it works or not >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sHxV2R-BfY
2014-05-06T23:59:07 < bvernoux> lot of checks are required in code too
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2014-05-07T00:31:41 < scrts> I think my uni also sent a cubesat with msp430, which worked
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2014-05-07T01:09:55 < scrts> LituanicaSAT-1 or LitSAT-1 AFAIK
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2014-05-07T02:49:24 < dekar> while libtomcrypt is quite small if you only use a single hash algorithm, once you use public key crypto it gets huge. my bootloader just grew 14kB :/
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2014-05-07T03:21:01 < owl-v-> dekar: :\
2014-05-07T03:31:25 < dongs> hackerloader
2014-05-07T03:31:36 < dongs> why do you need public key crypto in bootloader
2014-05-07T03:31:47 < dongs> just use a static AES key like a boss
2014-05-07T03:35:15 < zyp> I guess the reason to use public key crypto would be to prevent people from extracting the key and using it to sign third party firmware packages
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2014-05-07T03:35:57 < dongs> well if its properly ROP'd i dont think they're gonna be extracting it right???
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2014-05-07T03:37:52 < zyp> true, but if it were properly ROPed, the public key wouldn't be public
2014-05-07T03:38:42 < owl-v-> how do i enable gpio interrupt?
2014-05-07T03:39:08 < zyp> which again of course means that you don't need public key crypto
2014-05-07T03:41:55 < dekar> I just had the need to properly hash my firmware and I though signing it would basically be free from there...
2014-05-07T03:42:51 < zyp> heh
2014-05-07T03:43:10 < owl-v-> how hard do u need >> http://www.maxwell.com/products/microelectronics/docs/how_rad_hard.pdf
2014-05-07T03:44:45 < zyp> you know, there's a reason public key systems usually use the public key just to exchange a key for some symmetric crypto and then use that for the bulk of data
2014-05-07T03:44:52 < zyp> public key crypto is expensive
2014-05-07T03:45:22 < BrainDamage> also because you can drammatically reduce key reusage that way
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2014-05-07T03:50:32 < owl-v-> gpio interrupt...
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2014-05-07T03:52:59 < dekar> zyp, RSA decrypting a hash is actually really fast on the STM32, I didn't time it, but I surely don't notice.
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2014-05-07T04:01:45 < owl-v-> dekar: is that stm32f417?
2014-05-07T04:02:11 < dongs> thats illegal to import in best rkorea
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2014-05-07T04:04:52 < owl-v-> dongs: r u sure?
2014-05-07T04:05:03 < dongs> very
2014-05-07T04:05:33 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=11&y=15&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=stm32f417
2014-05-07T04:05:36 < dongs> http://www.digikey.jp/product-search/ja?x=13&y=17&lang=ja&site=jp&KeyWords=stm32f417
2014-05-07T04:05:52 < dongs> http://www.digikey.kr/product-search/ko?x=18&y=12&KeyWords=stm32f417
2014-05-07T04:06:03 < dongs> so banned you cant even search for it
2014-05-07T04:06:56 < zyp> hmm
2014-05-07T04:07:04 < owl-v-> dongs: chip made in korea: http://cfile26.uf.tistory.com/image/11103B3F4F2559BE2701DD
2014-05-07T04:07:14 < dongs> aware
2014-05-07T04:07:26 < dongs> they're breaking export regulations
2014-05-07T04:07:28 < dongs> and should GO TO JAIL
2014-05-07T04:07:43 < zyp> dongs, do you know if stm32f072 is available from your sources soon/now?
2014-05-07T04:07:50 < dongs> lemme axe again
2014-05-07T04:07:55 < zyp> I see digikey is supposed to have them now
2014-05-07T04:08:02 < zyp> «5/2/2014 - Delivery Date Past Due - Contact Digi-Key»
2014-05-07T04:08:08 < dongs> HEH
2014-05-07T04:08:13 < zyp> digikey also have silly expenive prices for them
2014-05-07T04:08:13 < dongs> troll overdue
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2014-05-07T04:08:43 < zyp> $4.7 for F072RB
2014-05-07T04:08:49 < dongs> HEH
2014-05-07T04:08:58 < dongs> cheaper to just get F103RB amirite???
2014-05-07T04:09:24 < zyp> no, that's $7.14
2014-05-07T04:09:30 < zyp> qty1 in both cases
2014-05-07T04:09:34 < dongs> probably <3$ in normal places
2014-05-07T04:09:42 < dongs> RB is wat 64pin?
2014-05-07T04:09:57 < dongs> 64pin/128 flash?
2014-05-07T04:09:57 < zyp> $3.4 vs $5.3 @100
2014-05-07T04:10:00 < zyp> yes
2014-05-07T04:10:33 < zyp> how much is F103RB normally?
2014-05-07T04:10:40 < dekar> owl-v-, yeah
2014-05-07T04:11:13 < dongs> oh so ytoure actaully using crypto engine on it?
2014-05-07T04:15:42 < dekar> nope
2014-05-07T04:15:50 < dekar> just software
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2014-05-07T04:16:27 < dongs> zyp, 2 bux
2014-05-07T04:16:42 < zyp> yes, and F072 should be cheaper
2014-05-07T04:16:48 < dongs> and not availabvle :0
2014-05-07T04:16:49 < dongs> sorry.
2014-05-07T04:16:50 < zyp> it's cortex-m0
2014-05-07T04:17:05 < dongs> aware
2014-05-07T04:17:13 < zyp> oh well
2014-05-07T04:17:15 < owl-v-> stm32 finaly have stm32+rf >> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1581
2014-05-07T04:17:18 < zyp> I guess it will be
2014-05-07T04:17:27 < zyp> and it's not like I have a design ready for it right now
2014-05-07T04:18:12 < owl-v-> IEEE 802.15.4   ..so that's zigbee protocol
2014-05-07T04:18:17 < zyp> owl-v-, finally is a weird way of putting it, considering they are so old that they are EOL already
2014-05-07T04:18:36 < owl-v-> where?
2014-05-07T04:19:03 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-07T04:19:19 < dongs> ya stm32w has been around for yeeeears
2014-05-07T04:19:21 < dongs> adn noone used them
2014-05-07T04:19:26 < dongs> cuz they dont have any spec
2014-05-07T04:19:29 < dongs> so they're all NRND now
2014-05-07T04:19:35 < dongs> way to kill off useless products
2014-05-07T04:19:47 < zyp> still no reference manual available
2014-05-07T04:19:51 < dongs> yeah
2014-05-07T04:19:55 < dongs> and only QWFN40 version is active
2014-05-07T04:19:57 < dongs> rest shitcanned
2014-05-07T04:20:06 < owl-v-> it could have been really good product...
2014-05-07T04:20:12 < dongs> tell that to ST korea
2014-05-07T04:20:37 < owl-v-> cc430 was interesting enough
2014-05-07T04:20:56 < zyp> I wonder what happened with the energy micro stuff
2014-05-07T04:20:59 < zyp> EFR4D
2014-05-07T04:21:17 < dongs> I got taht nrf bt4.0 evalboard
2014-05-07T04:21:19 < zyp> I guess silabs killed it off when they bought energy micro
2014-05-07T04:22:00 < zyp> done anything useful with it yet?
2014-05-07T04:22:07 < dongs> powered it up, not evne tested
2014-05-07T04:22:12 < dongs> connected jlink
2014-05-07T04:22:14 < dongs> shelved.
2014-05-07T04:22:16 < dongs> kinda busy s:(
2014-05-07T04:22:25 < zyp> the usual story
2014-05-07T04:22:42 < owl-v-> zyp: silicon labs ate it >> http://www.energymicro.com/products/
2014-05-07T04:22:44 < zyp> I still haven't done shit with this freescale thing I bought
2014-05-07T04:22:53 < dongs> well freescale is shit anyway
2014-05-07T04:23:21 < zyp> sure sure, but I wanted to play with this A5+M4 combo
2014-05-07T04:23:53 < dongs> that ndivia TK1 shit posted a proper full TRM
2014-05-07T04:24:26 < dongs> you could port laks to quadcore A15.
2014-05-07T04:24:38 < zyp> that's probably real useful
2014-05-07T04:24:50 < zyp> hmm, that reminds me that my parallella board is arriving
2014-05-07T04:24:52 < dongs> i'd suspect more useful than running lunix on it
2014-05-07T04:24:58 < owl-v-> which rf system do u use?
2014-05-07T04:24:59 < dongs> yeah someone else of my pals arrived
2014-05-07T04:25:02 < zyp> looks like it got stuck in customs today
2014-05-07T04:25:05 < dongs> apparently they didnty include the fan for the heatsink
2014-05-07T04:25:11 < dongs> and heatsink isnt attached
2014-05-07T04:25:22 < dongs> just loose in the box
2014-05-07T04:25:26 < zyp> heh
2014-05-07T04:25:27 < dongs> NOT VERY PRO
2014-05-07T04:40:15 < owl-v-> how come st has stm8?
2014-05-07T04:49:18 < zyp> that's what you get when you break an stm32 into four pieces
2014-05-07T04:49:37 < zyp> it's for people who can't afford a full stm32
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2014-05-07T04:51:41 < dekar> zyp, "STM32F030 Value line, 32 bits at 32 cents"
2014-05-07T04:55:07 < dekar> I liked energy micro, I liked the gecko brand, still got one of their keyrings :)
2014-05-07T04:55:22 < dekar> also their chewing gum wasn't too bad
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2014-05-07T05:00:19 < owl-v-> stm32L0 and L1
2014-05-07T05:00:27 < owl-v-> hm..
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2014-05-07T05:04:19 < dongs> owl-v-: have you innovated anything yet
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2014-05-07T05:07:25 < owl-v-> still stuck in getting gpio interrupt.
2014-05-07T05:07:50 < owl-v-> dongs: ^
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2014-05-07T05:09:49 < dongs> wat
2014-05-07T05:09:50 < dongs> EXTI??
2014-05-07T05:10:04 < gxti> innovating failure
2014-05-07T05:10:19 < owl-v-> :/
2014-05-07T05:11:02 < owl-v-> im moving from pic32 to stm32
2014-05-07T05:12:43 < dongs> did you try: reading examples in the stdpierphlib??
2014-05-07T05:12:49 < dongs> or are you the troll trying to use that CUBE shit
2014-05-07T05:12:59 < owl-v-> discovery
2014-05-07T05:13:18 < owl-v-> + stdpi
2014-05-07T05:13:31 < dongs> good
2014-05-07T05:13:32 < dongs> so wheres hte problem
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2014-05-07T05:20:29 < owl-v-> dongs: how do i setup interrupt button?
2014-05-07T05:22:24 < dongs> i asked, exti?
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2014-05-07T05:22:35 < dongs> there's a exti example in stderpiphlib dir.
2014-05-07T05:22:42 < owl-v-> exti
2014-05-07T05:45:48 < owl-v-> i don't need internal pullup because the hardware has pullup?
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2014-05-07T05:58:18 < dongs> possibly
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2014-05-07T06:02:04 < owl-v-> how do i setup void EXTI0_IRQHandler() ?
2014-05-07T06:03:14 < gxti> gee if only there were some examples in the stdperiphlib that would be swell
2014-05-07T06:04:07 < dongs> lulz
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2014-05-07T06:17:01 < owl-v-> hm.. stuck in loop: b.w 0x80005b4 <WWDG_IRQHandler>
2014-05-07T06:18:54 < dongs> why you there
2014-05-07T06:18:56 < dongs> turn off watchdong
2014-05-07T06:19:37 < owl-v-> dekar: where did u enable watchdog?
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2014-05-07T06:35:38 < owl-v-> well. i think it was default
2014-05-07T06:36:15 < owl-v-> I can't see global variable :(
2014-05-07T06:36:29 < owl-v-> it work, but i can't view it
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2014-05-07T06:43:07 < owl-v-> oh, only local variables
2014-05-07T06:45:23 < owl-v-> value change don't showup on screen
2014-05-07T06:49:27 < owl-v-> yae! interrupt!
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2014-05-07T09:14:18 < owl-v-> i don't understand NVIC stuff
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2014-05-07T09:16:27 < DanteA> Good news
2014-05-07T09:18:42 < PaulFertser> Good thing about NVIC is that it's about the same on all Cortex-M3 cores (sans quantity of priority levels), right?
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2014-05-07T09:19:38 < owl-v-> im looking at this table and i just don't get it: http://www.aimagin.com/learn/index.php/STM32_Interrupt_Service_Routine_Priority
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2014-05-07T09:22:16 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: ** ARM v7-M Architecture Application Level Reference Manual (ARM DDI 0405A-01) p. B3-6
2014-05-07T09:22:19 < PaulFertser> ** Cortex-M3 Technical Reference Manual (ARM DDI 0337E) p. 5-8
2014-05-07T09:22:22 < PaulFertser> ** STM32F10x Reference manual (RM0008) p. 169
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2014-05-07T09:28:56 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: I've written this for my coworkers, unfortunately had to do that in russian: http://pastebin.com/YADVp9fD probably if you paste it into google translate it'll be understandable enoguh.
2014-05-07T09:54:04 < dongs> wtf  feertos
2014-05-07T09:55:45 < emeb_mac> is that some sort of snack food?
2014-05-07T09:56:02 < owl-v-> free!
2014-05-07T09:56:50 < dongs> owl-v-: only free if your time is worthless
2014-05-07T09:58:19 < owl-v-> wtf "Western education is sin."  >>  http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/05/world/africa/nigeria-abducted-girls/
2014-05-07T09:58:52 < PaulFertser> dongs: it's an ok OS
2014-05-07T09:59:18 < owl-v-> freertos vs chibios
2014-05-07T09:59:26 < dongs> both fail
2014-05-07T09:59:31 < dongs> use KEIL RTX! its free as in BSD
2014-05-07T09:59:56 < dongs> http://community.silabs.com/t5/Simplicity-Studio-and-Software/RTX-RTOS-from-ARM-Keil-is-now-FREE/td-p/102669
2014-05-07T10:00:27 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/pr/article/1253.htm
2014-05-07T10:00:42 < dongs> even builds with gcc
2014-05-07T10:00:46 < dongs> if youre into masochistic things
2014-05-07T10:05:21 < DanteA> Dongie-rtx
2014-05-07T10:06:33 < owl-v-> i just realized where i can use cortex-m0. force sensor
2014-05-07T10:06:58 < owl-v-> but the parts are from nxp and freescale :-(
2014-05-07T10:07:10 < dongs> feescale
2014-05-07T10:07:38 < owl-v-> i don't have programmer
2014-05-07T10:07:49 < PaulFertser> stlink will work
2014-05-07T10:07:57 < dongs> openocd all the things
2014-05-07T10:08:11 < owl-v-> PaulFertser: stlink + freescale ?
2014-05-07T10:08:33 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: yes, until you accedintally lock it and will need to mass-erase.
2014-05-07T10:08:58 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-07T10:09:14 < owl-v-> freescale has lock and st don't?
2014-05-07T10:09:32 < dongs> both do but all flash related bits are generally proprietary/not compatible across manufacturers
2014-05-07T10:09:37 < owl-v-> i see st and nxp have 20pins
2014-05-07T10:09:46 < dongs> of course jtag interface is same
2014-05-07T10:10:13 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: the problem with freescale is that they are using a silly lowlevel thing (another "dap") to issue mass-erase and high-level adapters just don't support it.
2014-05-07T10:10:32 < dongs> PaulFertser: wait whoaaa what
2014-05-07T10:10:47 < owl-v-> cmsis-dap?
2014-05-07T10:11:20 < owl-v-> that atmel is using it as debugger?
2014-05-07T10:11:41 < dongs> i remember kinetis shit had some bullshit thing onboard to debug
2014-05-07T10:11:43 < PaulFertser> dongs: there's one regular arm debugging dap in there and another special dap to access two registers that allow resetting, securing and mass-erasing.
2014-05-07T10:11:46 < dongs> some PacketMicro thing or something?
2014-05-07T10:11:50 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: cmsis-dap will work
2014-05-07T10:11:51 < dongs> is that related?
2014-05-07T10:12:15 < PaulFertser> P&E micro OpenSDA shit that should be instantly reflashed to "mbed" CMSIS-DAP firmware.
2014-05-07T10:12:18 < dongs> PaulFertser: so what does it look ike, it has 2 devices on jtag chain?
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2014-05-07T10:12:23 < dongs> yeab opensda SHIT
2014-05-07T10:12:32 < PaulFertser> dongs: no, just one
2014-05-07T10:12:37 < dongs> how does it work the
2014-05-07T10:12:38 < dongs> then
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2014-05-07T10:13:16 < owl-v-> is lpc bad?
2014-05-07T10:13:18 < PaulFertser> dongs: see last message http://forum.segger.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=1594
2014-05-07T10:13:25 < dongs> clicken
2014-05-07T10:14:42 < dongs> damn such shit
2014-05-07T10:14:47 < dongs> yet more reasons to rage on kinetis
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2014-05-07T10:21:24 < owl-v-> but freescale's m0 is cheapest
2014-05-07T10:22:05 < dongs> cheaper than $2 for F103CB/F103RB?
2014-05-07T10:24:22 < owl-v-> ya
2014-05-07T10:24:28 < owl-v-> yap
2014-05-07T10:24:34 < dongs> rink prease
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2014-05-07T10:28:38 < owl-v-> http://kr.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Embedded-Processors-Controllers/Microcontrollers-MCU/ARM-Microcontrollers-MCU/ARM-Cortex-M0-Core/_/N-a85pc?P=1yzud1pZ1z0vhz5Z1yzrscp&Ns=Pricing|0
2014-05-07T10:28:53 < dongs> um
2014-05-07T10:28:55 < dongs> > 48mhz
2014-05-07T10:28:57 < dongs> > 8k flash
2014-05-07T10:29:12 < dongs> F103:
2014-05-07T10:29:13 < owl-v-> $0.95
2014-05-07T10:29:16 < dongs> > 128K+ flash
2014-05-07T10:29:19 < dongs> > 72MHz
2014-05-07T10:29:21 < dongs> > M3
2014-05-07T10:29:21 < owl-v-> m0
2014-05-07T10:29:45 < owl-v-> mke04z8vtg4
2014-05-07T10:33:28 < dongs> ughh
2014-05-07T10:33:37 < dongs> remoted into machine where im supposed ot halp debug a driver
2014-05-07T10:33:44 < dongs> its fucking lunix , bunto
2014-05-07T10:35:09 < owl-v-> omg pic24 is much expensive! >$4
2014-05-07T10:35:54 < owl-v-> over $3
2014-05-07T10:36:20 < dongs> rolfe pic24
2014-05-07T10:37:02 < dongs> nobody should be using that for new designs
2014-05-07T10:38:32 < gnomad> and yet microchip just announced 6 month lead times on pic24 parts...
2014-05-07T10:38:40 < dongs> is that good or bad
2014-05-07T10:40:26 < owl-v-> pic24 has hardware mul and div
2014-05-07T10:40:49 < owl-v-> dspic33 $2.59 still expensive...
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2014-05-07T10:57:16 < dongs> more like dSPIC
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2014-05-07T11:12:55 < owl-v-> omg
2014-05-07T11:13:17 < owl-v-> extreme temperature!
2014-05-07T11:13:19 < owl-v-> http://kr.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/SM470R1B1MHFQS/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuoKKEcg8mMKIn0prn1OSUJn6Hn13Jn6hU%3d
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2014-05-07T11:20:48 < dongs> only 2 in stock, hurry
2014-05-07T11:20:52 < dongs> lol @ price
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2014-05-07T11:23:50 < owl-v-> i'm sooooo broke :-(
2014-05-07T11:25:39 < dongs> get a job
2014-05-07T11:25:48 < dongs> can you code STm32??
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2014-05-07T11:32:11 < dongs> why the fuckinf fuck is minidp half-dip half smt
2014-05-07T11:43:19 < owl-v-> dp breaks game >> http://presidiosports.com/2011/02/dp-breaks-game-open-in-2nd-half-against-dons/
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2014-05-07T12:15:14 < edmont> hi
2014-05-07T12:15:28 < edmont> how does "Modbus over SPI" sound to you?
2014-05-07T12:17:22 < karlp> are you doing multi slave spi?
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2014-05-07T12:22:34 < karlp> dekar_: didyou see that RSA is getting dropped form tlsv1.3?
2014-05-07T12:24:07 < edmont> karlp: no, just chip to chip communications
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2014-05-07T12:27:00 < dongs> owl-v-: what is that garbage
2014-05-07T12:30:54 < karlp> edmont: is the other side being developed by someone else? modbus has addressing and CRC checks and things you might not need
2014-05-07T12:31:07 < karlp> also, it's very much in love with the idea of 16bit values,
2014-05-07T12:31:30 < edmont> do you suggest propietary protocol?
2014-05-07T12:31:36 < karlp> (you could use a  uart and use straight up modbus)
2014-05-07T12:31:51  * karlp shrugs, your system :)
2014-05-07T12:31:56 < dongs> use dongbus
2014-05-07T12:31:59 < qyx_> wut, why modbus
2014-05-07T12:32:04 < edmont> i'm the only programmer in both sides
2014-05-07T12:32:18 < karlp> modbus wouldn't be my first choice if I was building a system that only talked to other systems of my own
2014-05-07T12:32:20 < edmont> i dont know, to keep it standard
2014-05-07T12:32:27 < karlp> except by doing it over spi, it's not standard
2014-05-07T12:32:31 < qyx_> so use some standard spi protocol
2014-05-07T12:32:38 < qyx_> like 1 byte command, n byte data
2014-05-07T12:32:44 < edmont> i choose spi for the higher speed
2014-05-07T12:32:49 < karlp> look at all the SPI flash chips
2014-05-07T12:33:05 < qyx_> but modbus is protocol designed for half duplex rs485, not spi
2014-05-07T12:33:31 < karlp> (documented for _serial_ (not just rs485) and tcp)
2014-05-07T12:33:34 < edmont> i need to access registers/variables and send commands
2014-05-07T12:33:57 < qyx_> so you can do as karlp say
2014-05-07T12:33:59 < qyx_> sais
2014-05-07T12:34:02 < karlp> modbus will work, but you could also just prentend the other side is a flash chip/eeprom
2014-05-07T12:34:06 < dongs> just make your own trollprotocol
2014-05-07T12:34:19 < qyx_> or see some gyro/accel schematic
2014-05-07T12:34:38 < qyx_> *datasheet
2014-05-07T12:34:48 < karlp> or any spi device...
2014-05-07T12:34:53 < edmont> also, one chip is stm32 and the other avr
2014-05-07T12:35:06 < edmont> yeah, that's a good idea
2014-05-07T12:35:09 < karlp> modbus also ties you permanently into onle one side is the master
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2014-05-07T12:35:30 < karlp> which I guess is ok for spi :)
2014-05-07T12:35:36 < karlp> nvm that comment :)
2014-05-07T12:35:52 < qyx_> or multimaster i2c :X
2014-05-07T12:36:00 < qyx_> although avr had some problems with i2c in slave mode
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2014-05-07T12:36:09 < edmont> avr is master
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2014-05-07T12:36:52 < edmont> anyway, hardware is already made, chips are connected trough spi and uart
2014-05-07T12:37:37 < karlp> modbus over spi will work, just you might not need all of it.
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2014-05-07T12:38:41 < edmont> function[1]-address[2]-data[n]-cs[1]
2014-05-07T12:38:45 < edmont> smth like that?
2014-05-07T12:40:44 < karlp> so yeah, a lot like modbus :)
2014-05-07T12:41:33 < edmont> haha, i removed start and end bytes
2014-05-07T12:45:04 < owl-v-> dongs: that's about dp :)
2014-05-07T12:52:29 < owl-v-> does stmf1 has hardware divider?
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2014-05-07T13:01:44 < dongs> of course
2014-05-07T13:01:47 < dongs> cuz m3
2014-05-07T13:10:44 < owl-v-> sh*t, can arm beat dspic33f in ssop ?
2014-05-07T13:12:01 < owl-v-> price and performance in number crunching
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2014-05-07T13:13:13 < dongs> I think owl-v- is beaky v2
2014-05-07T13:13:45 < owl-v-> picky?
2014-05-07T13:13:51 < owl-v-> :)
2014-05-07T13:14:19 < BrainDamage> no, like a 10 year old with ADHD
2014-05-07T13:14:48 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-07T13:19:33 < Claude> owl-v-, why don't you just get a st discovery board and lift something off? $15 and there you go , i wouldn't wast so much time choosing the best/fastes/rad hardened cpu . just get started on whatever you are planing to do
2014-05-07T13:20:47 < Claude> *if* a stm32f4 is too slow you might better get an real cpu then (cortex a9)
2014-05-07T13:21:06 < owl-v-> it's not slow
2014-05-07T13:21:32 < Claude> yeah but why do you ask such questions like "is a dspic faster than an arm" then ?
2014-05-07T13:21:47 < owl-v-> on tiny tiny package
2014-05-07T13:21:58 < Claude> buy bare dies and be happy then
2014-05-07T13:22:47 < Miek> ssop, tiny?
2014-05-07T13:23:18 < owl-v-> tiny for dsp?
2014-05-07T13:23:33 < dongs> TINY FOR STM32 BASED SWITCHING POWER SUPPLY
2014-05-07T13:23:38 < dongs> fuckin' beaky
2014-05-07T13:23:48 < dongs> owl-v-, listen. If you do not start some meaningful chats (none of this trolling garbage) as soon as possible, then I am going to come over to your place, find you in a bathroom, hold your head under a sink, and stick at least three ungloved, unlubricated fingers, straight up your ass until one or both of us is throwing up. And honey, let me tell you I've got a strong stomach. Start chatting, asshole.
2014-05-07T13:24:16 < Claude> :)
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2014-05-07T13:28:11 < dongs> crap.
2014-05-07T13:28:13 < dongs> i bet he missed my rant.
2014-05-07T13:28:17 < owl-v-_> just thought about attaching force sensor+mcu to servo
2014-05-07T13:28:32 < dongs> talk to GargantuaSauce he already did that
2014-05-07T13:28:35 < dongs> YOU ARE LATE
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2014-05-07T13:53:43 < owl-v-__> uhh. f_king eclipse
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2014-05-07T14:08:29 < akaWolf> dongs: you are so energy man :)
2014-05-07T14:09:03 < akaWolf> energetic*
2014-05-07T14:41:05 < Steffanx> does owl-v-__ know beaky?
2014-05-07T14:46:15 < dongs> i think its just beaky trolling us
2014-05-07T14:47:29 < dongs> holy balls I hate "datasheets" that are just drawings saved as jpeg
2014-05-07T14:47:30 < dongs> in pdf
2014-05-07T14:47:38 < dongs> so when you zoom in to try to read shit al lyou getg is fuzzy garbage
2014-05-07T14:47:44 < dongs> HOW DO I COMPUTE
2014-05-07T14:48:24 < Steffanx> no, beaky doesnt have those skills
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2014-05-07T14:49:02 < dongs> need second 4k monitor. PDFs too big
2014-05-07T14:50:40 < Steffanx> adobe acrobat didnt crash?
2014-05-07T14:50:44 < Steffanx> *reader
2014-05-07T14:51:08 < bvsh> nothing makes wednesday a better day that a fat hash joint at 8am.
2014-05-07T14:51:36 < Steffanx> Waarom ook niet.
2014-05-07T14:52:51 < Steffanx> It's 8am in that part of the world mr bvsh ?
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2014-05-07T14:54:34 < Claude> lekker
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2014-05-07T14:55:58 < karlp> I thought only saffers said lekker, euro dutchies use lekker too?
2014-05-07T14:56:39 < Claude> dunno :)
2014-05-07T14:56:48 < Steffanx> Yes, we karlp
2014-05-07T14:57:04 < Steffanx> *we do
2014-05-07T14:57:44 < Steffanx> It's actually a normal dutch word.
2014-05-07T14:57:48 < Claude> im from the country next to .nl but as my grandparents live next to the border to nl i know some words
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2014-05-07T14:58:00 < Steffanx> Belgium?
2014-05-07T14:58:04 < Claude> germany
2014-05-07T14:58:13 < Steffanx> Oh, the good "next to" :P
2014-05-07T14:58:25 < Claude> hehe depends..
2014-05-07T14:58:41 < Steffanx>  /good/better/
2014-05-07T14:58:50 < Claude> seems like to me nobody likes belgium in europe :)
2014-05-07T14:59:12 < Steffanx> Nah, we have this very old love-hate relationship.
2014-05-07T14:59:29 < Claude> ah , like bavaria and germany ^^
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2014-05-07T15:08:36 < dongs> finally drew displayport pad pinout.
2014-05-07T15:08:37 < dongs> so annoy
2014-05-07T15:09:21 < karlp> Steffanx: congratulations on having a not eurotrash eurovision song :)
2014-05-07T15:10:07 < Steffanx> It's not super wonderful great either.. or just not my taste.
2014-05-07T15:10:51 < Claude> isnt eurovision not all about eurotrash or eurodance?
2014-05-07T15:12:52 < Steffanx> yes, it is.
2014-05-07T15:14:38 < Steffanx> dongs, when are you going to design your own dp-xxxx chip? It seems you have "issues" with all of them. :)
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2014-05-07T15:31:53 < dongs> pfft
2014-05-07T15:33:11 < zyp> «lekker»?
2014-05-07T15:33:24 < karlp> sweet as man
2014-05-07T15:33:34 < zyp> ah, same as in norwegian then
2014-05-07T15:37:11 < akaWolf> Steffanx: :))
2014-05-07T15:37:33 < zyp> although in norwegian it can also mean «leaking»
2014-05-07T15:37:40 < effractur> gezellig
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2014-05-07T16:24:42 < dongs> gee. apple fuckd with displayport mini pinout too
2014-05-07T16:25:13 < effractur> ?
2014-05-07T16:25:15 < effractur> howso
2014-05-07T16:25:22 < dongs> different from regular dp..
2014-05-07T16:25:38 < effractur> well
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2014-05-07T17:39:11 < Laurenceb__> if i get a hardfault, are all other interrupts disabled?
2014-05-07T17:39:56 < Laurenceb__> also  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27308555
2014-05-07T17:40:01 < Laurenceb__> why is this news
2014-05-07T17:41:21 < Steffanx> why do you care?
2014-05-07T17:41:47 < Laurenceb__> exactly
2014-05-07T17:42:08 < Steffanx> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0337e/ch05s12s01.html .. when i read that i would say not all interrupts are disabled. :P
2014-05-07T17:43:57 < zyp> only if you count NMI and/or reset
2014-05-07T17:44:08 < Laurenceb__> interesting
2014-05-07T17:44:09 < Steffanx> yes :P
2014-05-07T17:44:11 < zyp> and counting reset is silly
2014-05-07T17:44:27 < zyp> and I'm not sure anything can trigger NMI
2014-05-07T17:47:09 < Steffanx> but still i infer from it interrupts aren't disabled, but.. the hardfault interrupt cannot be pre-empted.
2014-05-07T17:48:44 < Steffanx> meh, maybe i can't really infer that.
2014-05-07T17:49:50 < zyp> correct
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2014-05-07T17:49:57 < zyp> end result is the same
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2014-05-07T18:01:49 < Laurenceb__> is this buffer construction safe?
2014-05-07T18:01:51 < Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/9150207
2014-05-07T18:02:07 < Laurenceb__> if i Add to the buffer in one thread and take in another?
2014-05-07T18:03:09 < emeb> no locking / semaphores?
2014-05-07T18:03:18 < Laurenceb__> no
2014-05-07T18:03:30 < emeb> seems unsafe
2014-05-07T18:03:34 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-05-07T18:03:43 < Laurenceb__> what about if i use it with interrupts?
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2014-05-07T18:03:55 < Laurenceb__> so the ISR add the data
2014-05-07T18:04:00 < Laurenceb__> and main loop gets it
2014-05-07T18:04:56 < emeb> still possible for IRQ to happen while main loop is manipulating pointer values
2014-05-07T18:05:01 < emeb> that's bad
2014-05-07T18:05:16 < Laurenceb__> yeah
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2014-05-07T18:05:28 < emeb> if you wrap a lock around the get() method so IRQ can't happen then you're ok
2014-05-07T18:05:30 < Laurenceb__> i guess they can both manipulate the tail
2014-05-07T18:05:33 < emeb> ya
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2014-05-07T18:19:55 < Laurenceb__> i wonder if this might be the source of my issues
2014-05-07T18:20:08 < Laurenceb__> im getting some sort of hard fault
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2014-05-07T18:26:40 < emeb> Just disable IRQ while you're in the get().
2014-05-07T18:26:58 < emeb> (or promote the priority)
2014-05-07T18:28:37 < Laurenceb__> yeah
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2014-05-07T18:51:19 < twixx> hi there. i am working with the stm32f4-discovery and usb-host. There is a Joystick at the usb Port. The Problem is: When i connect the board to usb-power, the joystick will not be initialized correctly. when i press the reset button on the board, init works fine. any suggestions how to get it work with plugging in usb-power?
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2014-05-07T19:04:34 < jpa-> twixx: add some sleep to code so that it waits for a moment before enumeration?
2014-05-07T19:04:59 < jpa-> and make sure that it waits for the pull-up before attempting to enumerate
2014-05-07T19:05:19 < jpa-> atleast linux usb host retries enumeration a few times if the device is slow to react, even though it should be ready by the time that it activates the pull-up
2014-05-07T19:06:35 < twixx> jpa: i already played with sleep time after enable charge pump
2014-05-07T19:06:44 < twixx> i will check this
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2014-05-07T19:14:50 < zyp> devices with pullup hardwired to vcc obviously aren't ready when the pullup is asserted
2014-05-07T19:26:44 < jpa-> but within normal usb timeout or so?
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2014-05-07T19:32:10 < owl-v-> Steffanx: define beaky >> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+beaky&oq=define+beaky&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.2779j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8
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2014-05-07T19:59:00 < twixx> jpa-: thx alot. multiple enum solved it
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2014-05-07T20:04:21 < owl-v-> lol more reason to stay in Mac World >> http://www.hancom.com/group.eng_main.main.do
2014-05-07T20:05:07 < owl-v-> need to grab one of these http://www.hancom.com/en/product/product2014_01.jsp
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2014-05-07T20:31:16 < __rob> anyone used uSTL on stm32 ?
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2014-05-07T20:54:28 < Steffanx> iirc jpa- played around with it __rob. Don't forget it's not made for embedded stuff
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2014-05-07T20:57:26 < Steffanx> oh yes it was jpa-. He has some repo with some untested modifications for stm32.
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2014-05-07T20:59:54 < __rob> ohh that would be good
2014-05-07T21:00:34 < __rob> well the included one arm-none-eabi seems to generate a ton of code
2014-05-07T21:01:36 < __rob> haven't looked through it, but simple header only classes like a shared_ptr seems to add 10's of kbs
2014-05-07T21:03:18 < __rob> also, I've seen someone ported uSTL to eCOS, and from reading through the submittion thread for it, he didn't have to change all that much
2014-05-07T21:03:56 < jpa-> unique_ptr didn't add much for me
2014-05-07T21:04:02 < jpa-> remember to disable exceptions
2014-05-07T21:04:09 < __rob> I have rtti and exceptions disabled
2014-05-07T21:04:16 < __rob> I am compiling through this emblocks ide though
2014-05-07T21:04:49 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/ustl   these are the ecos mods
2014-05-07T21:05:35 < jpa-> but ustl author is not interested in supporting embedded systems and i can't bother either
2014-05-07T21:09:08 < __rob> http://codepad.org/uFfiXhkP
2014-05-07T21:09:16 < __rob> this is why im scratching my head
2014-05-07T21:09:32 < __rob> the same with/without situation using a std::vector seems to add about 12kb
2014-05-07T21:09:41 < __rob> insane amounts of memory
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2014-05-07T21:10:34 < __rob> thats a release compile too
2014-05-07T21:11:50 < jpa-> so what takes the space?
2014-05-07T21:12:04 < jpa-> arm-none-eabi-objdump -t foo.elf | sort -k 5   or something
2014-05-07T21:13:23 < __rob> i've got the map files
2014-05-07T21:13:33 < __rob> seems to link a ton of stuff from libstdc++_b.a
2014-05-07T21:15:44 < jpa-> of course, but what takes the space?
2014-05-07T21:16:06 < jpa-> c++ always links bazillion symbols when you use templates
2014-05-07T21:16:18 < jpa-> (c++filt may help with the output of the dump commands, btw)
2014-05-07T21:16:34 < __rob> http://www.mergely.com/Wo0DJh8d/
2014-05-07T21:16:37 < __rob> thats the with without map
2014-05-07T21:16:46 < __rob> ok, i'll have a look at that
2014-05-07T21:17:12 < __rob> surely its possible though to not link all this stuff. I can build a quick and dirty shared_ptr without it adding this much mem usage
2014-05-07T21:18:08 < __rob> this is why I was trying to find a simpler stl even if its not compliant, but has standard utilities like the containers and smart pointers
2014-05-07T21:18:08 < jpa-> aha, it's bringing in printf and everything
2014-05-07T21:18:16 < jpa-> maybe you are linking some silly error handlers somewhere?
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2014-05-07T21:18:49 < jpa-> well ustl doesn't really even have c++11 support much
2014-05-07T21:19:09 < __rob> nope, it really is the code originally pasted, with the stm32..conf.h included and a linker script
2014-05-07T21:19:11 < jpa-> in my experience, libstdc++ is better; but forget about using iostreams, the locale stuff is bloat
2014-05-07T21:19:27 < jpa-> yes, but that doesn't mean you aren't linking silly error handlers
2014-05-07T21:19:29 < __rob> yea, I want none of that
2014-05-07T21:20:44 < jpa-> figure out what links to them (objdump is your friend) and add something like https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/dso-quad-logic/blob/master/cxxglue.cc
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2014-05-07T21:22:26 < __rob> slighyl confused ,that code says "Thin wrappers for using C++ without newlib or other heavy libraries."
2014-05-07T21:22:38 < __rob> surely you need newlib or newlibnano to provide the c runtime bits
2014-05-07T21:22:42 < __rob> malloc etc.
2014-05-07T21:22:44 < jpa-> i use baselibc
2014-05-07T21:22:58 < jpa-> because i'm too cool for other libc's
2014-05-07T21:23:14 < __rob> bearing in mind i'm doing this on a cortex-m0 64kb
2014-05-07T21:23:25 < gxti> i use hipc, you've probably never heard of it
2014-05-07T21:23:25 < __rob> maybe its optimistic to try and use C++ here
2014-05-07T21:23:51 < jpa-> __rob: i have used C++ on F1 32kB ROM.. though just vectors and unique_ptrs
2014-05-07T21:24:31 < jpa-> the code in the dso-quad-logic tree takes about 30kB compiled
2014-05-07T21:25:59 < __rob> i'll have a look at that baselibc
2014-05-07T21:26:12 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/FKY/plain   the 5th column is the size in hexadecimal
2014-05-07T21:26:55 < __rob> so when you say libstdc++ is better, better then what ?
2014-05-07T21:27:05 < jpa-> better than ustl
2014-05-07T21:27:08 < __rob> ahh
2014-05-07T21:27:11 < __rob> of course
2014-05-07T21:27:13 < jpa-> did not find other reasonable alternatives
2014-05-07T21:27:46 < jpa-> uclibc++ kind of assumes linux
2014-05-07T21:28:34 < __rob> ok, well i'm happy with the packaed stdlib if I can get it to compile without trying to link everything
2014-05-07T21:32:52 < __rob> so to work out whats getting linked I should do this on each obj file produced ?
2014-05-07T21:32:58 < __rob> with objdump
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2014-05-07T21:34:10 < __rob> just because, all of the stm32 peripheral library gets compiled (as all the c files are in the project) but none of that is used so will obviously be discarded
2014-05-07T21:38:36 < jpa-> __rob: looks like std::shared_ptr<a> adds 228 bytes for me
2014-05-07T21:39:03 < jpa-> just look at the output .elf, it should contain info on everything that ends up in flash
2014-05-07T21:39:53 < __rob> objdump -t ?
2014-05-07T21:40:45 < jpa-> ?
2014-05-07T21:42:18 < __rob> well I want to get a list of stuff in the .elf ?
2014-05-07T21:42:38 < jpa-> yes?
2014-05-07T21:42:45 < jpa-> take the command from my paste
2014-05-07T21:43:09 < jpa-> but sleep time ->
2014-05-07T21:43:14 < __rob> ahh
2014-05-07T21:43:16 < __rob> missed that
2014-05-07T21:43:17 < __rob> thansk
2014-05-07T21:43:32 < emeb> you europeans - always sleeping away the afternoons.
2014-05-07T21:43:41 < Steffanx> no europeans, just jpa-
2014-05-07T21:44:10 < jpa-> i have to escape, because at the middle of the night the tro...tectus creep out of the caves and make me do stuff :F
2014-05-07T21:44:14 < __rob> 08002128 l     F .text  000028d0 d_print_comp
2014-05-07T21:44:14 < __rob> 08000ef8 l     F .text  000005e8 d_type
2014-05-07T21:44:24 < __rob> so it looks like this is where the space goes..
2014-05-07T21:44:36 < Steffanx> it's easy to say no to those cavemen jpa-
2014-05-07T21:45:08 < jpa-> __rob: then you can take the full arm-none-eabi-objdump -d foo.elf | less and search for those symbols to see who needs them etc.
2014-05-07T21:45:21 < __rob> yea, well thats got me started
2014-05-07T21:45:30 < __rob> found a post with searching for "d_print_comp"
2014-05-07T21:45:34 < __rob> same problem
2014-05-07T21:45:39 < __rob> thanks
2014-05-07T21:47:15 < __rob> for that guy..
2014-05-07T21:47:17 < __rob> "The culprit was codesourcery's libstdc++, which did not respond correctly to -fno-exceptions" (http://embdev.net/topic/220434)
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2014-05-07T21:57:51 < Steffanx> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/natwerk/bacon-hagelslag Best ks project.
2014-05-07T21:58:03 < fbs> lol
2014-05-07T22:00:59 < emeb> what is it about dutch folk and their hagle?
2014-05-07T22:02:18 < Steffanx> it's easy and tastes nice..?
2014-05-07T22:02:30 < emeb> no argument there.
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2014-05-07T22:04:27 < fbs> Steffanx: do you eat hagelslag with pindakaas
2014-05-07T22:04:49 < Steffanx> no i don't like peanut butter.
2014-05-07T22:05:24 < gxti> weirdo
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2014-05-07T22:06:47 < emeb> interesting that it's called cheese in dutch, but butter in german or english
2014-05-07T22:09:42 < Steffanx> you do mr fbs ?
2014-05-07T22:09:44 < Steffanx> you eat that crap?
2014-05-07T22:10:03 < fbs> i like some peanut butter every once in a while, but not combined
2014-05-07T22:10:24 < Steffanx> i prefer kaas with honing, or boterhamworst with poedersuiker :P
2014-05-07T22:11:42 < fbs> lol
2014-05-07T22:13:58 < emeb> that all sounds yummy.
2014-05-07T22:14:45 < emeb> however - powered sugar on sausage is not something I've ever tried.
2014-05-07T22:15:25 < Steffanx> not sure if sausage is what we call "boterhamworst"
2014-05-07T22:16:22 < emeb> Steffanx: is it cut or spread?
2014-05-07T22:17:01 < Steffanx> pre-sliced slices, so i guess cut
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2014-05-07T22:17:56 < emeb> kinda like balogna?
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2014-05-07T22:19:36 < Steffanx> wikipedia says it similar
2014-05-07T22:20:34 < owl-v-> i tweaked indexer in eclipse and error went off
2014-05-07T22:20:38 < owl-v-> :P
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2014-05-07T22:28:39 < fbs> pancake with 'bacon' & sugar is quite good
2014-05-07T22:28:51 < Steffanx> yes yes
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2014-05-07T23:56:21 < ds2> hmmm
2014-05-07T23:56:34 < ds2> how I so hate keil very very very much
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2014-05-07T23:56:47 < emeb> what's keil doing that you don't like?
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2014-05-08T00:15:37 < ds2> crap gets locked up in thoise .uv* files
2014-05-08T00:15:50 < ds2> makes it a pain to port stuff around
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2014-05-08T00:32:40 < emeb> ds2: yep - too bad it can't be a simple text file. Or better yet, a makefile. :)
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2014-05-08T02:06:47 < dongs> sup dongs
2014-05-08T02:07:07 < dongs> lol, plz
2014-05-08T02:07:08 < dongs> makefile
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2014-05-08T02:07:19 < dongs> theres nothing wrong wiht .uv files
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2014-05-08T02:09:10 < __rob> can anyone tell me how I can get arm-none-eabi-gcc to pick the correct crt0
2014-05-08T02:09:36 < __rob> my stuff compiles, but, I just get a hard fault as soon as it jumps to _start
2014-05-08T02:11:59 < __rob> seems to be using GNU Tools ARM Embedded\4.8 2014q1\arm-none-eabi\lib\crt0.o
2014-05-08T02:12:15 < __rob> no the one in the \thumb\ subdirectory
2014-05-08T02:12:28 < __rob> which I'm guessing I should be using with -mthumb compile option
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2014-05-08T02:15:37 < __rob> infact, what are the libraries in the root of that folder "C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU Tools ARM Embedded\4.8 2014q1\arm-none-eabi\lib"
2014-05-08T02:16:07 < __rob> considering there are 4 other subdirectories for arm6-m, armv7-ar etc.. with copies of these libraries
2014-05-08T02:16:11 < GargantuaSauce> -mcpu=cortex-mX
2014-05-08T02:16:22 < GargantuaSauce> where X is 0,1,4
2014-05-08T02:17:01 < __rob> but each of the 0,1,4, correspond to using the libraries from one of the subdirectories right ?
2014-05-08T02:17:07 < __rob> depending on the architecture
2014-05-08T02:17:14 < GargantuaSauce> yup
2014-05-08T02:17:28 < __rob> so what is the 'set' of libraries that are in the root of /lib/ for
2014-05-08T02:17:31 < gxti> __rob: yes, a magical gnome called 'multilib' figures out which libs to use based on your cpu settings
2014-05-08T02:18:10 < __rob> like, arm-none-eabi\lib\crt0.o then the subdir versions, arm-none-eabi\lib\armv6-m\crt0.o etc..
2014-05-08T02:18:52 < __rob> why are they not all in architecture specific sub directorys is my question, where is there a set that is not.
2014-05-08T02:18:57 < __rob> what is special about that set
2014-05-08T02:19:15 < gxti> anything that doesn't match i guess
2014-05-08T02:19:17 < GargantuaSauce> it's just for the default architecture of arm-none-eabi-gcc which is arm7 i think
2014-05-08T02:19:27 < gxti> take a look at arm-none-eabi-gcc -print-multi-lib
2014-05-08T02:19:31 < __rob> ahh, ok, that makes sense
2014-05-08T02:19:35 < GargantuaSauce> which obviously does not consist of valid thumb instructions
2014-05-08T02:19:40 < GargantuaSauce> hence the hardfault
2014-05-08T02:20:18 < __rob> right, but why is the multilib 'magic gnome' not picking me the crt0 from inside /thumb/
2014-05-08T02:20:29 < __rob> I've passed -mthumb
2014-05-08T02:20:36 < GargantuaSauce> you need -mcpu like i mentioned
2014-05-08T02:20:38 < gxti> did you pass -mcpu?
2014-05-08T02:20:55 < __rob> yea
2014-05-08T02:20:57 < __rob> cortex-m0
2014-05-08T02:21:02 < gxti> for example i use -mcpu=cortex-m3 -mthumb -mno-thumb-interwork -DTHUMB_NO_INTERWORKING
2014-05-08T02:21:10 < gxti> i doubt the interwork crap is really needed
2014-05-08T02:23:01 < __rob> http://codepad.org/X3GCNxn1
2014-05-08T02:23:07 < __rob> thats how I'm compiling it
2014-05-08T02:24:14 < __rob> http://codepad.org/dykHrgRn
2014-05-08T02:24:16 < __rob> the link line
2014-05-08T02:25:41 < __rob> http://codepad.org/TBoyJNUz
2014-05-08T02:25:43 < __rob> the linker script
2014-05-08T02:25:46 < __rob> IDE generated
2014-05-08T02:27:24 < __rob> but the map file is incorrect
2014-05-08T02:27:24 < __rob> http://codepad.org/UPDtR9xO
2014-05-08T02:27:29 < __rob> thats the wrong crt0.o
2014-05-08T02:27:48 < __rob> its gotta be simple, 1 argument or something...
2014-05-08T02:29:16 < GargantuaSauce> i use -nostartfiles so i haven't run into the issue :V
2014-05-08T02:29:32 < GargantuaSauce> but obviously that isn't an option for c++
2014-05-08T02:30:36 < __rob> it can be got working. This Emblocks IDE works fine, hes got 'his own' compile of the toolchain, but its basically the same. The problem is its producing huge binarys when I use new in c++, suddenly adds 20k.
2014-05-08T02:31:07 < __rob> this is why I wanted to try it with off the shelf toolchain from arm, which seems to produce a tiny binary for the same bit of c++
2014-05-08T02:31:09 < __rob> great!
2014-05-08T02:31:27 < __rob> but it then hard faults, which looks like its due to the wrong crt0 :/
2014-05-08T02:34:07 < GargantuaSauce> i have -mthumb in my linker line too
2014-05-08T02:38:08 < GargantuaSauce> oh and i guess -nostartfiles works fine for other c++ projects, thought it wouldn't work, so maybe try that in the link step too?
2014-05-08T02:38:11 < GargantuaSauce> grasping at straws here
2014-05-08T02:39:40 < __rob> thanks, i'll have a look
2014-05-08T02:40:16 < GargantuaSauce> (i guess that means your startup code would have to do more things)
2014-05-08T02:41:18 < GargantuaSauce> now would be a good time for some zyp-wisdom
2014-05-08T02:43:15 < zyp> sup?
2014-05-08T02:45:13 < __rob> any ideas whats up with my linking above ?
2014-05-08T02:45:20 < zyp> still reading through
2014-05-08T02:45:31 < zyp> hmm
2014-05-08T02:45:36 < zyp> you're doing -L"..\..\Program Files (x86)\GNU Tools ARM Embedded\4.8 2014q1\arm-none-eabi\lib\thumb"
2014-05-08T02:45:39 < zyp> don't.
2014-05-08T02:46:17 < zyp> you're not supposed to add anything inside the compiler tree to the paths manually, multilib will take care of doing that for you
2014-05-08T02:46:20 < __rob> ok, thought it was worth a try
2014-05-08T02:46:27 < zyp> (and that directory is wrong anyway=
2014-05-08T02:47:50 < zyp> since this is cortex-m0, you want the armv6-m variant, which is what multilib should pick for you
2014-05-08T02:48:44 < zyp> and you need -mthumb in the linking line like GargantuaSauce mentioned for multilib to work correctly
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2014-05-08T02:49:31 < __rob> yes!
2014-05-08T02:49:43 < __rob> that was it, sorry, I had it only in the compile line
2014-05-08T02:49:50 < __rob> thanks alot guys :)(
2014-05-08T02:49:52 < __rob> :)
2014-05-08T02:50:30 < __rob> .. and into main()
2014-05-08T02:50:31 < __rob> nice
2014-05-08T02:50:59 < __rob> so whats /thumb/ for if its not used for -mthumb ?
2014-05-08T02:53:13 < zyp> dunno
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2014-05-08T02:54:16 < zyp> «thumb» as a specifier of it's own is not specific enough
2014-05-08T02:54:53 < zyp> the toolchain has five different builds for cortex-m, which are all thumb, and still different
2014-05-08T02:55:24 < __rob> ahh, ok
2014-05-08T02:55:35 < zyp> (M0, M3, M4, M4F/softabi, M4F/hardabi)
2014-05-08T02:56:01 < zyp> the latter two are only different in ABI, but you still have four different sets of instructions
2014-05-08T02:57:39 < zyp> I believe they are all subsets/supersets of each other, so a cortex-m4f would probably work with either of the five
2014-05-08T02:57:55 < owl-v-> zyp: how do i use dsp in m4f?
2014-05-08T02:58:05 < __rob> one other question. Is there a tool to get a breakdown of code usage. when I use the 'emblocks' build of the toolchain, it gives me a little report after compiling
2014-05-08T02:58:28 < __rob> http://codepad.org/A6MWIF2u
2014-05-08T02:58:29 < __rob> like that
2014-05-08T02:58:32 < __rob> not sure what hes using
2014-05-08T02:58:37 < zyp> arm-none-eabi-size gives you a real simple end result
2014-05-08T02:59:17 < zyp> like this:
2014-05-08T02:59:18 < zyp>    text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
2014-05-08T02:59:18 < zyp>    7464	    828	   5020	  13312	   3400	arcin.elf
2014-05-08T02:59:38 < __rob> ahh, hes probabally just formatting that then
2014-05-08T02:59:42 < zyp> yeah
2014-05-08T03:00:51 < zyp> if you want a more detailed overview over all the sections you can use objdump: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/zC9OU
2014-05-08T03:07:21 < __rob> works nicely, thanks
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2014-05-08T03:16:00 < dongs> owl-v-: start using it.
2014-05-08T03:16:06 < __rob> hrm, back to where i started now that it compiles and runs, +33k binary when I use shared_ptr
2014-05-08T03:16:24 < __rob> interested to know what libstdc++ jpa- is using as he said it only adds 200ish bytes
2014-05-08T03:17:04 < __rob> http://mbed.org/forum/mbed/topic/2336/?page=1#comment-11861 looks like it must be the same thing
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2014-05-08T03:22:14 < dongs> so much lunix
2014-05-08T03:22:16 < dongs> why not just use armcc
2014-05-08T03:22:17 < dongs> problem sovled
2014-05-08T03:23:12 < GargantuaSauce> are you all ready to embrace llvm dongs?
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2014-05-08T03:39:58 < owl-v-> dongs: very straight forward ;)
2014-05-08T03:41:14 < GargantuaSauce> there are dsp intrinsics and algorithm implementations in the CMSIS library included with stdperiph
2014-05-08T03:45:17 < GargantuaSauce> i kind of doubt you're going to get anyone to hold your hand through doing dsp stuff, so get googling
2014-05-08T03:47:17 < dongs> kinda like walking beaky throough making a smps controller with stm32
2014-05-08T03:47:33 < GargantuaSauce> i wonder if he started a fire with that yet
2014-05-08T03:49:08 < Viper168> damn it, another garg?
2014-05-08T03:49:16  * Viper168 throws some det packs towards it
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2014-05-08T04:02:20 < dongs> <truestory> Osx is the biggest piece of shit
2014-05-08T04:02:21 < dongs> <truestory> So I startef complaining to my buddies who work at apple and all of their engneers use Windows in buttcamp
2014-05-08T04:05:00 < GargantuaSauce> funny, apparently the dell cloudwranglers all use osx
2014-05-08T04:07:18 < __rob> so it seems all I need is to define extern "C" void __cxa_pure_virtual() and this stops it linking 30kb of exception handling stuff
2014-05-08T04:09:05 < zyp> say, what's a good source for rtl-sdr dongles?
2014-05-08T04:09:29 < GargantuaSauce> i got mine on dx, seemed to be as good a price as anywhere
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2014-05-08T04:09:51 < zyp> I'm just wondering what I should look for
2014-05-08T04:10:54 < dongs> zyp: id uno ig ot mine for $8 off ebay
2014-05-08T04:11:01 < dongs> one of those RT802+whatever shits
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2014-05-08T04:12:07 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371003269689 this shit
2014-05-08T04:12:09 < GargantuaSauce> the vendors seem to have clued into putting RTL2832U + R820T in the descriptions
2014-05-08T04:12:13 < dongs> yeah
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2014-05-08T04:12:35 < zyp> right, ok
2014-05-08T04:12:47 < dongs> 3.It does not support US, Canada, Japan, Singapore users due to different digital standard
2014-05-08T04:13:21 < dongs> apparently someone actually wrote 1seg receive thing for it
2014-05-08T04:13:37 < dongs> since its only 420khz wide
2014-05-08T04:17:32 < GargantuaSauce> huh i didn't know there was a low bandwidth video stream in one segment of an isdb channel
2014-05-08T04:18:18 < GargantuaSauce> atsc has no equivalent i think
2014-05-08T04:19:17 < GargantuaSauce> or it does but it's not deployed
2014-05-08T04:20:08 < zyp> that's because americans are too lazy to move out of their couch when watching tv
2014-05-08T04:20:24 < GargantuaSauce> more likely because of the stranglehold the content industry has on the fcc
2014-05-08T04:21:02 < GargantuaSauce> broadcasts are too free
2014-05-08T04:21:19 < zyp> what's the typical frequency spectrum of the included antennas with the dongles?
2014-05-08T04:21:51 < GargantuaSauce> probably about the same as leaving the jack unplugged
2014-05-08T04:22:03 < zyp> :p
2014-05-08T04:22:26 < GargantuaSauce> what are you gonna do with sdr?
2014-05-08T04:22:39 < GargantuaSauce> i still need to get around to massaging gnuradio into a functional state
2014-05-08T04:24:09 < zyp> looking for something that'll receive lower freqs than bladerf, and preferably is more portable
2014-05-08T04:29:19 < owl-v-> y dsp library is not source code?
2014-05-08T04:29:33 < GargantuaSauce> because you're not looking in the right place
2014-05-08T04:29:41 < GargantuaSauce> there is source and examples
2014-05-08T04:33:13 < owl-v-> found it
2014-05-08T04:34:07 < owl-v-> what's libarm_cortexM4lf_math.a ?
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2014-05-08T04:39:26 < qyx_> hate that inductor calculations
2014-05-08T04:39:58 < qyx_> 23345345 equations giving at least 5 different results
2014-05-08T04:40:28 < qyx_> and every manufacturer specify different kind of values for their cores
2014-05-08T04:40:40 < qyx_> ok, going trial&error approach
2014-05-08T04:41:56 < qyx_> playing with this http://i.imgur.com/y6HgUCS.jpg
2014-05-08T04:43:00 < dongs> much dip
2014-05-08T04:50:57 < qyx_> sure
2014-05-08T04:52:53 < qyx_> >1mH @ 0.5A low priced inductors seem not to be available in smd
2014-05-08T04:52:57 < qyx_> also 400V film caps
2014-05-08T04:53:14 < qyx_> hopefully it will work
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2014-05-08T05:10:18 < ds2> kapton stencil printing is touchy
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2014-05-08T05:46:11 < qyx_> btw i ordered some china kapton tape.. it is marked as "koptan"
2014-05-08T05:46:17 < qyx_> chinamen avoiding tm issues
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2014-05-08T05:49:54 < owl-v-> dekar: ji
2014-05-08T05:49:57 < owl-v-> hi
2014-05-08T05:50:28 < owl-v-> dekar: i'm going to need ur help
2014-05-08T05:59:26 < owl-v-> dekar: i added DSP_Lib to the makefile >> http://paste.ofcode.org/36E7PYDyShVZmnFshf5VP5r
2014-05-08T05:59:47 < owl-v-> dekar: i get this error >> http://paste.ofcode.org/uDrT4TvwxsEixj8bYB6wHR
2014-05-08T06:03:29 < dongs> stop using shit sites to paste with
2014-05-08T06:03:32 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste
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2014-05-08T11:07:11 < __rob> jpa- are you around ?
2014-05-08T11:09:41 < jpa-> yes
2014-05-08T11:10:14 < __rob> hello, just wanted to check if you were using the provided libstdc++ with arm-none-eabi ?
2014-05-08T11:10:41 < __rob> I got my thing compiling with a resonable size executable using shared_ptr and other stuff
2014-05-08T11:10:50 < jpa-> the one that comes with launchpad gcc-arm-embedded, yeah
2014-05-08T11:11:15 < jpa-> note that my project already was using new, delete etc. so the 200 bytes was added just by shared_ptr
2014-05-08T11:11:17 < __rob> turns out that just defining __cxa_pure_virtual stops it linking all that d_print_comp stuff aswell as alot of other stuff
2014-05-08T11:11:49 < jpa-> makes sense, the default handlers for errors are unnecessarily complicated.. i just look in debugger if i want to know more about some error
2014-05-08T11:12:19 < jpa-> you may find that you have to define others like in my cxxglue, depending on which parts of stl you use
2014-05-08T11:14:34 < __rob> yea, ok. I've taken a copy of the gxxglue you pasted
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2014-05-08T12:40:30 < fbs> i only see rain
2014-05-08T12:40:48 < owl-v-_> o.o
2014-05-08T12:43:29 < karlp> qyx_: why do you need > 1mH SMD inductors? all the switcher designes I've looked at hhave only needed in 4-15uH range...
2014-05-08T12:44:14 < GargantuaSauce> needs to swap out the controller for a telegraph key
2014-05-08T12:45:46 < owl-v-_> anyone using dekar_'s makefile?
2014-05-08T12:47:04 < fbs> what is it?
2014-05-08T12:50:36 < owl-v-_> i added dsp_lib in the project and modified little bit and the compiler complains about missing .o file
2014-05-08T12:53:09 < owl-v-_> wait..
2014-05-08T12:53:20 < owl-v-_> i know why it complains
2014-05-08T12:53:27 < fbs> good lad
2014-05-08T12:55:24 < Laurenceb__> attn dongs
2014-05-08T12:55:26 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/08/review_cyntech_pimoroni_pibrella_r_pi_add_on_board/
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2014-05-08T13:19:18 < owl-v-_> there is no header files for dsp :-(
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2014-05-08T13:48:34 < karlp> user fail...
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2014-05-08T14:42:22 < dongs> beaky fail
2014-05-08T14:42:49 < dongs> going to  foxconn at 9pm, F M L
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2014-05-08T14:47:03 < dongs> ragequitter
2014-05-08T14:47:08 < Laurenceb__> iphone6?
2014-05-08T14:47:14 < dongs> ???
2014-05-08T14:47:22 < Laurenceb__> you are making iphones?
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2014-05-08T14:48:36 < dongs> no nothing that groundbreakingly innovative
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2014-05-08T15:34:53 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27321942
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2014-05-08T15:47:24 < Tectu> I'm using the 'register' keyword in the ugfx librarys alloc() routine to optimize the code speed. Is there any reason why I shouldn't do that? (because it's a library - is there any scenario where the user will experience disadvantages)
2014-05-08T15:48:52 < dongs> it doesnt matter.
2014-05-08T15:48:54 < qyx_> do you really gain any speedup with it?
2014-05-08T15:49:00 < dongs> any non-shit compiler would likely put shit in a register when needed anyway.
2014-05-08T15:49:06 < dongs> if you ahve to specify it, likely your compiler is shit.
2014-05-08T15:49:11 < qyx_> yep
2014-05-08T15:49:46 < Steffanx> his compiler is crap dongs .. duh.
2014-05-08T15:49:50 < Steffanx> gcc etc. :p
2014-05-08T15:50:52 < dongs> ASSBALL
2014-05-08T15:51:33 < Tectu> the point of my question is exactly whether some compilers mit start bitchin about it
2014-05-08T15:52:41 < dongs> it wont break anything.
2014-05-08T15:52:53 < Tectu> that is good
2014-05-08T15:56:51 < Steffanx> but did it really help anything Tectu ?
2014-05-08T15:56:57 < MrMobius> for arguments sake, arent there a lot of situations where the compiler might not have nough registers and put a variable that wasnt used very often in a register?
2014-05-08T15:57:26 < MrMobius> and something used more often in memory thereby slowing things down
2014-05-08T15:59:18 < Steffanx> you would think so..
2014-05-08T16:02:40 < karlp> register is like inline, advisory only, not required
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2014-05-08T17:25:06 < Laurenceb__> in EABI, if i pass 3 variables to a function, using r0 to r2, is r3 assumed to be junk?
2014-05-08T17:25:18 < Laurenceb__> r3 doesnt need to be pushed to the stack?
2014-05-08T17:25:26 < zyp> huh?
2014-05-08T17:25:28 < zyp> yes
2014-05-08T17:26:18 < zyp> you are free to overwrite all caller-save registers in a called function, regardless of them being used to pass arguments or not
2014-05-08T17:26:22 < Laurenceb__> ok
2014-05-08T17:26:54 < Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/9155911
2014-05-08T17:26:59 < Laurenceb__> does that look ok?
2014-05-08T17:27:16 < zyp> after the function call, the caller only expects the callee-save registers to be intact and r0 to contain a return value unless void
2014-05-08T17:27:31 < zyp> (disregarding fp functions)
2014-05-08T17:29:02 < zyp> register usage looks fine, yes
2014-05-08T17:29:14 < Laurenceb__> ok thanks
2014-05-08T17:30:41 < zyp> not sure about the code though, I believe interleaving register accesses are supposed to give better performance due to pipelining
2014-05-08T17:31:37 < Laurenceb__> ok
2014-05-08T17:31:44 < Laurenceb__> it runs, but i havent benchmarked it
2014-05-08T17:32:11 < zyp> not sure how much it matters on cortex-m
2014-05-08T17:32:27 < zyp> but gcc optimizations are doing it
2014-05-08T17:33:10 < zyp> I'm still curious whether you're beating gcc in performance on this
2014-05-08T17:33:29 < Laurenceb__> yeah i should benchmark it
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2014-05-08T19:43:33 < owl-v-> japan have 3d printed guns >> http://defdist.tumblr.com/
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2014-05-08T19:57:53 < owl-v-> no!!! arm_math.h is in (CMSIS/Include) but (undefined reference to `arm_cos_f32') ???
2014-05-08T19:59:41 < anic_> what do .h files have to do with function definitions ?
2014-05-08T20:01:18 < owl-v-> ..
2014-05-08T20:03:02 < anic_> is the error coming from the compiler or the linker ?
2014-05-08T20:05:08 < owl-v-> compiler
2014-05-08T20:05:28 < anic_> are you certain ?
2014-05-08T20:05:42 < owl-v-> um..
2014-05-08T20:05:46 < owl-v-> linker?
2014-05-08T20:06:06 < anic_> :D
2014-05-08T20:06:33 < owl-v-> >> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/VFXMYf23.html
2014-05-08T20:06:37 < anic_> so the problem is not in the .H file, its in the .a file
2014-05-08T20:06:59 < owl-v-> i didn't add .a file because i have no idea what's .a file is
2014-05-08T20:07:14 < owl-v-> i was looking for .h files
2014-05-08T20:07:42 < owl-v-> never used .a file before :-(
2014-05-08T20:07:49 < anic_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetlight_effect
2014-05-08T20:08:33 < anic_> there is a include path for .a files, just like for .H files
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2014-05-08T20:08:47 < anic_> fix that and the problem will go away
2014-05-08T20:09:07 < owl-v-> this is  not 'streetlight effect' case. i have not seen .a file before
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2014-05-08T20:10:30 < anic_> :) atleast you learned a new term.
2014-05-08T20:10:46 < owl-v-> :)
2014-05-08T20:12:32 < owl-v-> like this? (INCLUDE += $(ST_CMSIS_CORE)/Lib/GCC) where .a files are in GCC folder?
2014-05-08T20:14:44 < anic_> I'm not very familiar with eclipse but that looks like it should be correct
2014-05-08T20:15:42 < Laurenceb__> yo dongs
2014-05-08T20:15:45 < Laurenceb__> grr no dongs
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2014-05-08T20:17:00 < owl-v-> anic_: this is just makefile. it's still not working.
2014-05-08T20:19:05 < anic_> does it expand correctly on the commandline ?
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2014-05-08T20:57:14 < superbia> thanks for gnaa.eu
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2014-05-08T22:24:50 < owl-v-> i replaced dekar's CMSIS with stdp-dsp's CMSIS and twicked makefile
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2014-05-09T00:44:41 < owl-v-> gdb error! >> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/rY2Xvj86.html
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2014-05-09T01:13:28 < Steffanx> i've had that a few times too owl-v-, i just ignored it and continued :)
2014-05-09T01:13:51 < Steffanx> Not the same error though.
2014-05-09T01:14:22 < owl-v-> :-(
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2014-05-09T02:01:59 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Sbt345jkk
2014-05-09T02:02:50 < dongs> wat
2014-05-09T02:03:03 < Thorn> cat crash compilation
2014-05-09T02:04:17 < dongs> loled.
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2014-05-09T02:11:21 < emeb> BONG!
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2014-05-09T02:28:15 < dongs> more like dong
2014-05-09T02:28:22 < dongs>  < owl-v-> gdb error! >> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/rY2Xvj86.html
2014-05-09T02:28:24 < dongs> did you actually sleep
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2014-05-09T02:51:46 < ds2> emeb: ping?
2014-05-09T03:00:42 < emeb> ds2: pong!
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2014-05-09T03:02:32 < ds2> emeb: any tips for removing power supply noise on a single transistor, common emitter amp?
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2014-05-09T03:03:29 < emeb> ds2: the simplest solution I've seen is to split the collector resistor and put a big honkin' cap at the junction.
2014-05-09T03:03:56 < emeb> really depends on what kind of noise you've got tho
2014-05-09T03:04:41 < ds2> seems like a modulated AC hum
2014-05-09T03:04:49 < emeb> so fairly low frequency
2014-05-09T03:05:08 < ds2> I get periodic bursts with an envelope that looks like 1-2 cycles of sine wave
2014-05-09T03:05:18 < emeb> what's the supply source?
2014-05-09T03:05:21 < ds2> sucker is getting amplified more then my mic signal
2014-05-09T03:05:27 < ds2> the power rail from a SoC :)
2014-05-09T03:05:34 < ds2> 3.3V rail on the BBB
2014-05-09T03:05:39 < emeb> coming from the PMIC
2014-05-09T03:05:55 < ds2> think tossing in a LDO would help?
2014-05-09T03:06:06 < emeb> Yes.
2014-05-09T03:06:15 < emeb> got a schematic somewhere?
2014-05-09T03:06:27 < ds2> let me look for a digital copy
2014-05-09T03:08:55 < ds2> emeb: http://www.hy-research.com/tmp/preamp.pdf
2014-05-09T03:09:01 < ds2> only 1 channel is used
2014-05-09T03:10:12 < emeb> R7/R14 are the bias for the electret?
2014-05-09T03:10:26 < ds2> yes
2014-05-09T03:10:53 < emeb> OK - that, and the base bias network are where your noise is getting in.
2014-05-09T03:11:30 < ds2> how does one do a noise free bias?
2014-05-09T03:11:55 < ds2> this was a board I made for a USB powered preamp and that worked ok...something here is noiser
2014-05-09T03:12:05 < emeb> Divide that 1K resistor into two 470 ohm resistors and put a 10uF cap at the middle.
2014-05-09T03:12:30 < ds2> middle as in 10uF from the junction to ground?
2014-05-09T03:12:36 < ds2> or across the 470?
2014-05-09T03:13:10 < emeb> positive side of the cap to the junction of the two resistors, negative side to ground.
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2014-05-09T03:13:56 < emeb> That's got a 3dB corner of about 30Hz, so it will knock down 60Hz by a fair bit.
2014-05-09T03:14:57 < ds2> doesn't that also cut the signal from the mic?
2014-05-09T03:15:43 < emeb> It will knock the low freq of the mic signal a bit, but not much.
2014-05-09T03:16:16 < emeb> You can also increase the resistors a lot - electrets don't draw much bias current so you could probably crank it up significantly and get even more filtering.
2014-05-09T03:16:23 < ds2> trying to analyze this in my head
2014-05-09T03:17:18 < ds2> wouldn't a larger bias resistor risk saturating the internal fet on the mic?
2014-05-09T03:17:29 < emeb> I've seen that resistance as high as 10k
2014-05-09T03:18:46 < emeb> So with 10k you could use two 4.7k with a 10uF cap at the junction and the 60Hz attenuation will be more than 20dB
2014-05-09T03:19:04 < emeb> that will also reduce the filtering effect on the mic signal.
2014-05-09T03:19:14 < qyx_> hm, there are some nice low noise ldo's for this purpose
2014-05-09T03:19:14 < emeb> (higher impedance from the cap to mic signal)
2014-05-09T03:19:52 < emeb> Annnnd - once you've solved that, then there's also VCC noise getting into the base bias network. :P
2014-05-09T03:19:56 < ds2> ah, I get how that works
2014-05-09T03:20:20 < ds2> the first R and the C form a RC LPF... the second R is purely there for isolation
2014-05-09T03:20:26 < emeb> exactly
2014-05-09T03:20:59 < ds2> whoooo I have a spare 3.0V LDO
2014-05-09T03:21:07 < emeb> well, that's even better.
2014-05-09T03:21:15 < ds2> that might be the easiest hack then balancing resistors like cards ;)
2014-05-09T03:21:21 < emeb> as long as it can source the current needed to drive the speaker
2014-05-09T03:21:33 < ds2> no, this is feeding the ADC
2014-05-09T03:21:36 < ds2> no current drive required
2014-05-09T03:21:43 < emeb> ah - no problem then.
2014-05-09T03:21:55 < emeb> definitely use the LDO if you've got it.
2014-05-09T03:22:16 < ds2> think I'll try that... if that fails, I'll toss in filters are you suggested....hacking filters into the board requires more SMT rework then I like right now
2014-05-09T03:22:25 < emeb> yeah
2014-05-09T03:23:01 < emeb> make sure to give the LDO a good broadband bypass - a 0.1uf and 1 or 10uF if you can.
2014-05-09T03:24:02 < ds2> that much bypassing?
2014-05-09T03:24:21 < ds2> CMRR isn't what it is in reality compared to on paper?
2014-05-09T03:25:18 < emeb> not that the CMRR isn't good, but caps tend to have resonances where their impedance is lowest.
2014-05-09T03:25:52 < emeb> spacing them by decades keeps the impedance low across a range - cuts the overall ripple at broad frequency spectrum.
2014-05-09T03:26:09 < emeb> and since this on a board with digital stuff, that matters.
2014-05-09T03:26:26 < ds2> ah
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2014-05-09T05:00:35 < ds2> weeeeeeeeeeeeeee LDO helped
2014-05-09T05:00:47 < emeb> a bit quieter?
2014-05-09T05:01:45 < ds2> much much quiter
2014-05-09T05:01:48 < ds2> quieter
2014-05-09T05:02:15 < emeb> well - congratulations, you're a low-noise analog designer now. :)
2014-05-09T05:02:18 < ds2> now to find out what's wrong with the ADC...thought I had this solved
2014-05-09T05:02:24 < ds2> hahahaha
2014-05-09T05:02:46 < ds2> need to move to a pure digital world... :D
2014-05-09T05:03:07 < emeb> is this just driving into the ADC inputs on a BBB?
2014-05-09T05:03:44 < ds2> yep
2014-05-09T05:03:58 < ds2> well I have a second bias network to keep the BBB happy
2014-05-09T05:04:26 < ds2> this is feeding the middle of a resistor divider to bias things at 0.9V
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2014-05-09T05:04:39 < ds2> and I am capturing data, but the data looks like some odd beat frequency
2014-05-09T05:04:57 < ds2> want to take a look at the .wav?
2014-05-09T05:05:23 < emeb> ds2 sure
2014-05-09T05:07:18 < ds2> http://www.hy-research.com/tmp/record0.wav <--- that is me making a 412Hz (as measured on scope) tone
2014-05-09T05:07:31 < ds2> the beat pattern does seem to repeat around 412Hz
2014-05-09T05:08:32 < emeb> cool sound. probably not what you wanted tho
2014-05-09T05:08:52 < ds2> nope. plotted it on audacity and there is energy all over the place
2014-05-09T05:10:48 < emeb> gotta go now. bbiaw
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2014-05-09T05:12:01 < owl-v-> realtime control on cortex-m4. taking note... >> http://phytec.com/products/system-on-modules/phycore/omap5430/
2014-05-09T05:12:47 < zyp> http://phytec.com/products/single-board-computers/ <- I have one of these
2014-05-09T05:16:50 < dongs> <owl-v-> taking beaky
2014-05-09T05:26:11 < owl-v-> kawaii!!! taking note... >> http://youtu.be/RPjlJKRa7Uw
2014-05-09T05:44:42 < dongs> ^ attn GargantuaSauce
2014-05-09T05:46:33 < dongs> kawaii but fucking useless.
2014-05-09T05:47:19 < dongs> also fake as shit but wyatever
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2014-05-09T06:03:15 < emeb> back
2014-05-09T06:05:28 < emeb> ds2: looking at that sound sample...
2014-05-09T06:07:03 < dongs> emeb: http://i.imgur.com/a5sZYYk.jpg identify htis
2014-05-09T06:07:57 < emeb> dongs: I've seen those before - some sort of audio control surface
2014-05-09T06:08:05 < emeb> don't remember whose it is though
2014-05-09T06:09:15 < emeb> ah - ableton push pad controller
2014-05-09T06:09:35 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELE3Sgr6UHQ loler
2014-05-09T06:09:40 < dongs> that was the first thing I thought to use it for
2014-05-09T06:10:08 < emeb> hi-larious
2014-05-09T06:11:14 < owl-v-> dongs: found it >> http://metrosoundmusic.com/shop/midi-controllers/ableton-push-midi-pad-controller/
2014-05-09T06:11:42 < owl-v-> ops, too late
2014-05-09T06:24:20 < ds2> emeb: running more tests with the signal generator... it almost seems like I am seriously sampling too slowly
2014-05-09T06:24:24 < ds2> donno how that is possible
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2014-05-09T06:29:08 < owl-v-> lol kawaii robi has stm32 part. maybe stm32f1 64pin? >> http://youtu.be/W4dEfBRr-7Q
2014-05-09T06:31:34 < dongs> .. part 51
2014-05-09T06:33:27 < dongs> holy fuck
2014-05-09T06:33:30 < dongs> there really are 51 parts
2014-05-09T06:33:31 < dongs> before that
2014-05-09T06:33:37 < dongs> that guy must be getting paid per uploaded video
2014-05-09T06:36:34 < owl-v-> up to part 59
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2014-05-09T06:54:00 < emeb> ds2: your data seems sampled too slowly and spending a lot of time at the rails.
2014-05-09T07:07:10 < ds2> emeb: Hmmm
2014-05-09T07:07:23 < ds2> emeb: is that from visual inspection or you have a tool?
2014-05-09T07:07:34 < emeb> just looking w/ audacity
2014-05-09T07:07:41 < emeb> time domain
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2014-05-09T09:00:43 < dongs> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2014-05-09T09:00:45 < dongs> where is chat
2014-05-09T09:06:18 < emeb> you have entered a chat-free zone
2014-05-09T09:06:52 < ds2> emeb: found one problem... signed vs unsigned
2014-05-09T09:08:09 < emeb> ds2: aha - that makes some sense.
2014-05-09T09:08:35 < ds2> odd for a unipolar ADC to generate negative values
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2014-05-09T09:08:57 < emeb> true. wonder how that works.
2014-05-09T09:10:25 < ds2> register settings for sample time is not matching docs :(
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2014-05-09T09:42:57 < emeb> ds2: using the kernel ADC control driver?
2014-05-09T09:46:14 < ds2> emeb: I wrote my own... all the versions out there are F'ed
2014-05-09T09:46:28 < emeb> hmmm
2014-05-09T09:46:47 < emeb> so if the registers are set wrong you know where to look...
2014-05-09T09:47:16 < dongs> loll, lunix??
2014-05-09T09:47:26 < emeb> it's the best!
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2014-05-09T09:52:54 < ds2> i know where to look, hw is just behaving oddly
2014-05-09T09:53:21 < emeb> bad data in the TRM?
2014-05-09T09:53:48 < ds2> donno, trying experiments
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2014-05-09T09:53:55 < ds2> sampling seems to be much much slower then expected
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2014-05-09T09:54:14 < ds2> and damn aliasing is making it hard to be sure... but I do have the concept of a sampling scope well embedded in my head :D
2014-05-09T09:55:48 < emeb> well, if aliasing is an issue, use a lower frequency for your test signal
2014-05-09T09:56:42 < ds2> I am
2014-05-09T09:56:51 < ds2> function generator is sending me 100Hz triangles
2014-05-09T09:56:59 < ds2> anything lower and I get distortion due to my coupling caps
2014-05-09T09:57:14 < emeb> 100Hz should be fine
2014-05-09T09:57:55 < emeb> looking at spruh73 - that ADC is complicated due to the TSC stuff
2014-05-09T09:58:16 < ds2> I did
2014-05-09T09:58:21 < ds2> it is pretty simple
2014-05-09T09:58:44 < ds2> it all comes down to 1 register - step_delay
2014-05-09T09:58:57 < ds2> somehow the clock cycles are not what I think it is (1/3MHz)
2014-05-09T09:59:16 < emeb> clocking on that am335x is a mess
2014-05-09T09:59:24 < ds2> no
2014-05-09T09:59:30 < ds2> if you think the am335x is bad....
2014-05-09T09:59:36 < ds2> the omaps are worse
2014-05-09T09:59:47 < emeb> no kidding - I've looked at them too
2014-05-09T10:00:03 < ds2> I deal with them a lot
2014-05-09T10:00:11 < ds2> the CM on the am335x is much simplier
2014-05-09T10:00:58 < ds2> think I fixed things enough to get a reliable underrun
2014-05-09T10:06:57 < emeb> good luck - time for zzzz here
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2014-05-09T10:43:45 < Laurenceb_> bailey jay
2014-05-09T10:53:40 < PaulFertser> Has anyone tried sending BREAK over FT232R or somesuch?
2014-05-09T10:54:08 < Viper168> laurenceb_ isn't that a tranny pornstar
2014-05-09T10:54:13 < Viper168> :O
2014-05-09T10:54:28 < Laurenceb_> owned
2014-05-09T10:54:38 < Laurenceb_> that was a test to see who knew who it was
2014-05-09T10:54:48 < Viper168> lol I know because it has been linked :P
2014-05-09T10:55:07 < Viper168> who knows why you know :O
2014-05-09T10:57:17 < Viper168> is that one of those things where you ask about someone's opinion on something before you admit to it?
2014-05-09T10:57:23 < Viper168> :P
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2014-05-09T11:04:15 < dongs> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/ay5mP7q_700b_v4.jpg attn Laurenceb__
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2014-05-09T12:35:25 < dongs> haha
2014-05-09T12:37:57 < Laurenceb__> afro esc is fail
2014-05-09T12:38:03 < Laurenceb__> 5v only operation
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2014-05-09T12:40:45 < Laurenceb__> its an atmega8 on there right?
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2014-05-09T13:07:54 < dongs> Laurenceb__: ?? 5v only in whwat senes
2014-05-09T13:07:56 < dongs> sense
2014-05-09T13:08:05 < dongs> it will take 3.3V I/O signal
2014-05-09T13:08:06 < Laurenceb__> for the AVR
2014-05-09T13:08:16 < Laurenceb__> ok
2014-05-09T13:08:30 < dongs> well yeah, you could trash the external xtal and run it at 3.3V out of spec
2014-05-09T13:08:33 < Laurenceb__> i need to connect to 3.3v i2c
2014-05-09T13:08:35 < dongs> change fuses to intrc
2014-05-09T13:08:37 < dongs> oh tahts fine
2014-05-09T13:08:49 < dongs> but, i dont remember if we have pullups on our side
2014-05-09T13:08:52 < dongs> let me see schematic
2014-05-09T13:09:00 < dongs> if you dont have pullups then just pull it at 3.3V
2014-05-09T13:09:01 < dongs> and itll work
2014-05-09T13:09:30 < dongs> yep no pullup
2014-05-09T13:09:37 < dongs> check the .asm to see if code enables internal avr shit
2014-05-09T13:09:49 < dongs> if not, then you're good to go with resistors going to 3.3V on yourcontroller side
2014-05-09T13:10:07 < dongs> im pretty sure it doesnt, but y ou should probably check just in cas e:d
2014-05-09T13:10:11 < Laurenceb__> k
2014-05-09T13:10:17 < Laurenceb__> ill just grab multimeter
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2014-05-09T13:12:35 < dongs> Laurenceb__: remember when you were muting BMP085 with XCLR?
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2014-05-09T13:13:48 < Laurenceb__> yes
2014-05-09T13:13:53 < Laurenceb__> ok it has pullups..
2014-05-09T13:13:54 < dongs> did you need to reconfigure it after clear?
2014-05-09T13:14:33 < Laurenceb__> wait XCLR
2014-05-09T13:14:39 < Laurenceb__> no that was someone else, not me
2014-05-09T13:16:05 < dongs> you had like BMP085 and some other trash
2014-05-09T13:16:08 < dongs> and they were both on same i2c addr
2014-05-09T13:16:12 < dongs> prety sure it was you
2014-05-09T13:16:47 < Laurenceb__> hmm thins rings a bell
2014-05-09T13:17:05 < Laurenceb__> but it was an LTC ADC
2014-05-09T13:17:11 < dongs> ah yes
2014-05-09T13:17:16 < dongs> so adc and baro
2014-05-09T13:17:16 < Laurenceb__> and i did something with the LTC address
2014-05-09T13:17:47 < Laurenceb__> iirc i wrote to both devices with a command that changed LTC address
2014-05-09T13:18:49 < dongs> .equ	INIT_PC		= (1<<i2c_clk)+(1<<i2c_data)
2014-05-09T13:19:02 < dongs> how the fuck do you enable pullups on avrtard
2014-05-09T13:19:21 < Laurenceb__> theres some sort of pullup register
2014-05-09T13:19:30 < Laurenceb__> that loops like it
2014-05-09T13:19:48 < karlp> PINB/PORTB, when DDRB is input, one of those two controls the pullups
2014-05-09T13:20:00 < karlp> the other is the value itself,
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2014-05-09T13:20:55 < dongs> ah,hm code doesnt touch PINC
2014-05-09T13:21:23 < Laurenceb__> pullup resistance only appears when its turned on
2014-05-09T13:21:57 < dongs> When you set bits in DDRx to 0, i.e. make port pins as inputs, then corresponding bits in PORTx register are used to activate/deactivate pull-up registers associated with that pin. In order to activate pull-up resister, set bit in PORTx to 1, and to deactivate (i.e to make port pin tri stated) set it to 0.
2014-05-09T13:22:11 < Laurenceb__> ah
2014-05-09T13:22:17 < Laurenceb__> so i need to comment that out
2014-05-09T13:23:23 < Laurenceb__> lets see...
2014-05-09T13:23:34 < karlp> ds2 still got that preamp.pdf anywhere? so we can learn from emebs' notes?
2014-05-09T13:26:55 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2014-05-09T13:27:01 < Laurenceb__> why do i need to disconnect power
2014-05-09T13:27:08 < Laurenceb__> on the servo lead
2014-05-09T13:28:33 < Laurenceb__> well that works anyway
2014-05-09T13:29:48 < Laurenceb__> now i can connect to rapeberry
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2014-05-09T13:38:19 < Laurenceb__> dongs: wtf is with the power connection on the programming dongle?
2014-05-09T13:38:44 < dongs> the linker?
2014-05-09T13:38:45 < dongs> pull it
2014-05-09T13:38:46 < Laurenceb__> it all fails epically unless i disconnect the 5v line on the servo cable
2014-05-09T13:38:47 < dongs> its retarde
2014-05-09T13:38:49 < dongs> yes
2014-05-09T13:38:53 < dongs> I TOLD THEM TO FUCKING NOT HAVE IT THERE
2014-05-09T13:39:00 < dongs> more than once, too.
2014-05-09T13:39:01 < dongs> ..
2014-05-09T13:39:01 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-05-09T13:39:15 < dongs> they confirme,d then went ahead and made a shitload with 5V still conencted. ...
2014-05-09T13:39:17 < Laurenceb__> and the dongle gets a bit warm :-S
2014-05-09T13:39:38 < dongs> yea just pull it or just cut that mieddle pin on dongle
2014-05-09T13:39:41 < dongs> you will NEVER have use for it.
2014-05-09T13:39:53 < dongs> snip that shit
2014-05-09T13:40:05 < Laurenceb__> k
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2014-05-09T13:43:01 < dongs> apparently i wiped out current supply of stm32f103 in china
2014-05-09T13:43:11 < dongs> more stock next week tho
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2014-05-09T13:44:10 < dongs> i think i bought about 4k in last month
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2014-05-09T13:55:26 < Laurenceb__> im making an Rpi controlled centrifuge
2014-05-09T13:55:34 < Laurenceb__> for rpm display
2014-05-09T13:55:37 < Laurenceb__> *with
2014-05-09T13:57:07 < Claude> uranium enrichment?
2014-05-09T13:57:36 < Laurenceb__> yaman
2014-05-09T13:59:17 < Claude> cool , running on NOOBS is guess?
2014-05-09T13:59:22 < Claude> i guess
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2014-05-09T15:04:58 < Laurenceb__> afro esc is talking to discovery board
2014-05-09T15:05:00 < Laurenceb__> looks good
2014-05-09T15:05:10 < Laurenceb__> next up, failberry
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2014-05-09T17:52:01 < emeb> quieter here than on weekends
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2014-05-09T17:56:35 < englishman> start talking about sausage again pls
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2014-05-09T18:01:22 < Steffanx> You like our talk about cheese with honey and sausage with powdered sugar englishman ?
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2014-05-09T18:04:08 < emeb> too OT I guess
2014-05-09T18:04:15 < trepidaciousMBR> Cheese, honey, sausage and sugar? What the hell is that?
2014-05-09T18:04:54 < emeb> two separate regional delicacies from the lands of nether.
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2014-05-09T18:06:52 < englishman> yum
2014-05-09T18:09:59 < karlp> busy working sorry :)
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2014-05-09T20:43:35 < ds2> @#%$@!#!@%#!@$!@$%!@#@!#!@%$@!#!@#!@#!@# ALSA
2014-05-09T20:45:00 < Steffanx> yes
2014-05-09T20:45:17 < ds2> you've done work with that?
2014-05-09T20:47:15 < Steffanx> no :P
2014-05-09T20:51:17 < emeb> what's going on ds2?
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2014-05-09T20:51:41 < emeb> (and yes - ALSA is a PITA)
2014-05-09T20:51:51 < ds2> emeb: I think the problem I am having has to do with ALSA buffering... samples are dropped
2014-05-09T20:52:10 < ds2> emeb: going to rewrite the driver to just output a character device
2014-05-09T20:52:18 < emeb> ds2: you have an ALSA driver for the BBB adc input?
2014-05-09T20:52:22 < ds2> emeb: yep!
2014-05-09T20:52:27 < emeb> kewl!
2014-05-09T20:52:39 < ds2> that is going to be abandoned for the time being
2014-05-09T20:52:42  * emeb wishes he knew driver dev well enough to knock stuff like that out.
2014-05-09T20:52:44 < PaulFertser> Takashi is very responsive though.
2014-05-09T20:52:48 < ds2> the device is easy
2014-05-09T20:53:00 < PaulFertser> ADCs are supposed to be handled via IIO nowadays.
2014-05-09T20:53:08 < ds2> more accurately, it is the ALSA driver that I tried to base it on that has the problem
2014-05-09T20:53:24 < emeb> aha - borrowing bad code is no fun.
2014-05-09T20:53:26 < ds2> PaulFertser: depends on the phase of the moon
2014-05-09T20:53:40 < ds2> emeb: found notes by the author suggesting it doesn't really work
2014-05-09T20:53:49 < emeb> ds2: ugh. :P
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2014-05-09T20:54:16 < emeb> ds2: +1 for just doing a char. device.
2014-05-09T20:54:28 < emeb> pipe it straight into sox to record.
2014-05-09T20:54:40 < ds2> emeb: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Minivosc
2014-05-09T20:54:53 < ds2> the goal is to get it into pocket sphinx
2014-05-09T20:55:12 < emeb> ic
2014-05-09T20:55:28 < ds2> buried in the plots from audacitiy is the mention of buffer handling/alignment
2014-05-09T20:56:04 < ds2> the HW is pretty simple... it can automatically sequence 16different things. each thing is configured by 2 registers.
2014-05-09T20:56:28 < ds2> setup the 2 registesr, turn on the bit for it and you get interrupts to read the FIFO
2014-05-09T20:56:38 < ds2> life can't be simplier
2014-05-09T20:56:40 < emeb> seems easy
2014-05-09T20:57:43 < emeb> ds2: the buffer alignment comments seem to suggest that it's a user-space problem.
2014-05-09T20:57:49 < ds2> most of the other problems people have is largely glue logic
2014-05-09T20:58:05 < emeb> ie the app and driver disagree on buffer sizes.
2014-05-09T20:58:08 < ds2> emeb: AFAIK, that is done via the libasound stuff... so either way, I am screwed
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2014-05-09T20:58:34 < emeb> ds2: too many OS shim layers between the driver and the app that uses it.
2014-05-09T20:58:36 < ds2> the buffer is probally much smaller then 800 bytes
2014-05-09T20:58:54 < ds2> cuz I can see slopes of my triangle wave but never an entire triangle wave
2014-05-09T20:59:02 < ds2> indeed... I miss OSS
2014-05-09T20:59:12 < emeb> OSS was pretty simple
2014-05-09T20:59:21  * emeb started doing linux audio w/ OSS
2014-05-09T20:59:35 < emeb> then ALSA came along... :P
2014-05-09T20:59:44 < ds2> it is "Advanced" :)
2014-05-09T20:59:55 < emeb> it is an "Architecture"
2014-05-09T21:00:07 < emeb> those together mean it is better!
2014-05-09T21:00:20 < zyp> I remember when only one application could output sound at a time
2014-05-09T21:00:26 < ds2> there might be a way to have alsa userland code read from a character device
2014-05-09T21:00:49 < emeb> zyp:  managing access to the one audio stream isn't something that ALSA does.
2014-05-09T21:00:56 < emeb> for that they layer on Pulseaudio
2014-05-09T21:01:05 < ds2> alsa can do that too
2014-05-09T21:01:14 < emeb> oh
2014-05-09T21:01:14 < ds2> userland plugins can tee off the stream
2014-05-09T21:01:32 < emeb> face it - linux audio is a tangled mess.
2014-05-09T21:01:38 < emeb> too many ways to do the same thing.
2014-05-09T21:01:43 < emeb> all of them inconsistent
2014-05-09T21:01:56 < ds2> worse yet... all them them have quirks that deviate from docs
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2014-05-09T21:10:44 < emeb> I like doing audio on bare-metal MCUs. When things screw up I've got only myself to blame, not umpty-gazillion lines of OS interface code that I don't understand.
2014-05-09T21:12:08 < ds2> that's fine if you are doing only one thing
2014-05-09T21:12:24 < ds2> now throw in a radio driver, bluetooth stack, video driver, etc
2014-05-09T21:13:07 < emeb> there you go making things all complicated...
2014-05-09T21:15:38 < emeb> ds2: that Minivosc page looks like a pretty good tutorial.
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2014-05-09T21:29:39 < ds2> emeb: except it doesn't quite work... all I did was replace the code that puts bytes in with my ADC data
2014-05-09T21:30:44 < emeb> ds2: right. still, some good material there if you just want background.
2014-05-09T21:31:30 < emeb> ds2: does your ADC data gathering code ensure constant sample intervals?
2014-05-09T21:32:00 < emeb> ie - between one buffer fill and the next you maintain the sample rate timing...
2014-05-09T21:33:27 < emeb> the reason I ask is that the Minivosc generates its own data, so timing of *when* the samples are created don't matter. For an ADC the timing does matter though.
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2014-05-09T21:55:25 < ds2> emeb: my code runs at hw speed so... yes
2014-05-09T21:56:13 < emeb> ds2: so you set up a sample rate when first opening the device for input and maintain that rate throughout.
2014-05-09T21:56:34 < ds2> sort of -
2014-05-09T21:56:53 < ds2> I setup the ADC to sample at a given rate. the ISR unloads it into a ring buffer
2014-05-09T21:57:07 < ds2> when the code needs data, it unloads the ring buffer. If there is nothing there, it complains
2014-05-09T21:57:14 < emeb> sounds right
2014-05-09T21:57:46 < emeb> ISR runs @ sample rate, or is there DMA and/or hardware buffer before it?
2014-05-09T21:57:51 < ds2> so for a character device, it can be as simple as having a different reader driven by the read() call back
2014-05-09T21:58:17 < ds2> ISR SHOULD run at about 1/2 the sample rate...it unloads a 32sample FIFO
2014-05-09T21:58:36 < ds2> IRQ is set to trip at 2 samples...but latency may push that up
2014-05-09T21:58:43 < ds2> and Iam tracking overruns
2014-05-09T21:58:55 < emeb> seems like a good approach
2014-05-09T22:00:37 < ds2> your comment about undersampling and my experiements with a triangle wave seems to support buffer dropping things
2014-05-09T22:01:09 < ds2> cuz in my experiments, if I zoom out in audacitiy, I can make out the either triangle waves or sine waves...this I believe is hte principle behind a sampling O-Scope
2014-05-09T22:01:33 < emeb> yes
2014-05-09T22:02:55 < ds2> and I think that might be why I thought i had it working before... a magic combination of sample rates and frequencies that still play back as a tone
2014-05-09T22:20:18 < ds2> karlp: let me look for it or regenerate it.
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2014-05-09T23:42:37 < ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee char driver works
2014-05-09T23:42:44 < ds2> triangle waves look like triangles
2014-05-09T23:43:00 < ds2> I do question the monotonacity of the ADC
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2014-05-10T00:38:15 < emeb> ds2: sweet!
2014-05-10T00:39:09 < emeb> ds2: upstream that driver. :)
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2014-05-10T00:57:17 < ds2> HAHAHAHAHAHAH
2014-05-10T00:57:25 < ds2> this ADC definite sucks
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2014-05-10T00:59:00 < ds2> emeb: checkout http://www.hy-research.com/tmp/ramp10.data
2014-05-10T00:59:33 < ds2> it is the data in ASCII form...the wave should be a relatively clean triangle wave @ 100Hz...scope shows it as reasonably clean
2014-05-10T00:59:46 < ds2> and on that note...I'll bbl, going to get a late lunch
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2014-05-10T01:02:22 < emeb> ds2: interesting.
2014-05-10T01:03:01 < emeb> notice that the glitches aren't in consisten amplitude locations - suggests noise, not ADC monotonicity / linearity issues.
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2014-05-10T01:26:19 < emeb> ds2: spectrum of that data -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/fft_plot.png
2014-05-10T01:26:43 < emeb> I see the characteristic triangle-wave harmonics, but a lot of crud too.
2014-05-10T01:26:57 < emeb> would be interesting to see what data you collect with _no_ waveform input.
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2014-05-10T01:29:39 < Laurenceb_> is this from an stm32?
2014-05-10T01:29:52 < Laurenceb_> is that octave?
2014-05-10T01:30:13 < emeb> no - not an STM32. That the built-in ADC on a Beaglebone Black.
2014-05-10T01:30:19 < Laurenceb_> i recognise default font ;P
2014-05-10T01:30:19 < emeb> yes - that plot is from octave.
2014-05-10T01:30:50 < Laurenceb_> adc looks a bit poor
2014-05-10T01:30:51 < emeb> kinda ugly. must be opensauce. :)
2014-05-10T01:31:02 < Laurenceb_> its easy to change
2014-05-10T01:31:22 < emeb> Hard to say about the ADC - the input signal is not at full input amplitude. Might look better with gain.
2014-05-10T01:31:23 < Laurenceb_> http://engineeringliberty.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/making-great-plots-in-octave-and-matlab-too/
2014-05-10T01:32:42 < emeb> nice
2014-05-10T01:33:09 < Laurenceb_> i copied that for a thesis
2014-05-10T01:33:17 < dongs> < emeb> kinda ugly. must be opensauce. :)
2014-05-10T01:33:21 < dongs> confirmed
2014-05-10T01:33:25 < dongs> opensores lunix fonts
2014-05-10T01:33:27 < dongs> looks bad everywhere.
2014-05-10T01:33:33 < Laurenceb_> trolldongs
2014-05-10T01:33:40 < dongs> i mean how hard is it to make courier new render GOOD
2014-05-10T01:33:42 < dongs> holy shit.
2014-05-10T01:33:47 < Laurenceb_> baiting was successful
2014-05-10T01:37:51 < emeb> Laurenceb_: updated fonts w/ your suggestion -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/fft_plot.png
2014-05-10T01:38:10 < Laurenceb_> pretty :D
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2014-05-10T02:26:25 < ds2> oh..hmmm
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2014-05-10T02:27:19 < dongs> sup blogs
2014-05-10T02:27:55 < emeb> trying to keep up with the wiley japanese. :)
2014-05-10T02:27:56 < ds2> whoa....that is lots of cruft
2014-05-10T02:28:28 < emeb> cruft? you mean the noise in that spectrum?
2014-05-10T02:28:30 < ds2> emeb: terminated or open circuit?
2014-05-10T02:28:36 < ds2> yes
2014-05-10T02:28:42 < dongs> speaking of open circuits
2014-05-10T02:28:52 < dongs> i noticed STM32 adc is floating horribly randomly
2014-05-10T02:28:54 < emeb> ds2: probably doesn't matter for audio
2014-05-10T02:28:56 < dongs> when its just open
2014-05-10T02:28:57 < ds2> i assume those trianular clouds in the base should not be there.
2014-05-10T02:29:12 < dongs> im getting like +-100 on adc readings
2014-05-10T02:29:18 < ds2> wow
2014-05-10T02:29:20 < emeb> dongs: yeah - muxed ADC inputs are awful on most MCUs when not tied
2014-05-10T02:29:20 < dongs> if its not grounded
2014-05-10T02:29:33 < ds2> what is the Z of the stm32 adc?
2014-05-10T02:30:04 < emeb> ds2: aren't you driving the ADC with your little transistor preamp?
2014-05-10T02:30:42 < ds2> emeb: eventually, yes.
2014-05-10T02:30:55 < ds2> this is directly from a dds sig gen.
2014-05-10T02:31:04 < emeb> for now you're driving the signal in thru a decoupling cap into that resistor bias network?
2014-05-10T02:31:16 < ds2> yes
2014-05-10T02:31:34 < emeb> does the high side of the bias network come from a clean LDO source?
2014-05-10T02:31:42 < ds2> probally messed up vref..it is tied to vdda
2014-05-10T02:31:58 < ds2> the bias network is from vref
2014-05-10T02:32:05 < ds2> so, not really
2014-05-10T02:32:11 < emeb> hopefully that's good enough. :P
2014-05-10T02:32:34 < emeb> would be better to drive it from your clean LDO.
2014-05-10T02:32:52 < ds2> andthat file is actually adc data shifted down by 2 bits
2014-05-10T02:33:01 < ds2> so 10bit range
2014-05-10T02:33:18 < ds2> is that better then from vref?
2014-05-10T02:33:24 < emeb> so just leave the cap unconnected and sample just the bias.
2014-05-10T02:33:47 < emeb> ds2: depends on how vref is generated. Hopefully it's clean.
2014-05-10T02:33:49 < ds2> I can try that
2014-05-10T02:34:21 < ds2> this is a vref from a tsc system so..probally generated by sparkgap regulation ;)
2014-05-10T02:34:30 < emeb> lol
2014-05-10T02:35:02 < ds2> would averaging help?
2014-05-10T02:35:42 < emeb> averaging will attenuate your audio unless the sample rate is _really_ high.
2014-05-10T02:36:02 < emeb> (filter can't distinguish between signal & noise)
2014-05-10T02:36:30 < ds2> Oh
2014-05-10T02:36:44 < ds2> hardware can average samples
2014-05-10T02:36:51 < ds2> guess this will have to do
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2014-05-10T02:47:50 < emeb> ds2: if the ADC hardware can average at a higher sample rate before stuffing data into the FIFO that your ISR reads then it might help.
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2014-05-10T04:12:15 < ds2> emeb: how many samples is good for averaging? 16?
2014-05-10T04:13:00 < emeb> ds2: Depends on how much noise you need to remove.
2014-05-10T04:13:27 < emeb> 16 samples would cut the high-frequency by 12dB
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2014-05-10T04:14:30 < emeb> you get about 6dB noise reduction for every factor of 4
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2014-05-10T04:29:04 < emeb> ds2: you ever use octave?
2014-05-10T04:29:26 < emeb> if so, here's a script for generating that frequency plot: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/ds2_fft.m
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2014-05-10T04:49:35 < ds2> i have octave but my matlab skills are over 15yrs old
2014-05-10T04:53:20 < emeb> pretty easy to use - just run that script in the same dir as the text data you capture. Change the text file name in the load statement if needed.
2014-05-10T05:00:57 < upgrdman> "you get about 6dB noise reduction for every factor of 4" is that just another way of say you cut the noise in half every time you double the sample count?
2014-05-10T05:03:24 < emeb> you cut the noise in half every time you quadruple the samples
2014-05-10T05:04:36 < ds2> trying to figure out how noise do I need to remove
2014-05-10T05:05:12 < emeb> noise is (hopefully) uncorrelated so adding two noisy processes reduces the noise by 3dB or sqrt(2).
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2014-05-10T05:05:53 < ds2> ah... we are talking about voltages?
2014-05-10T05:05:57 < emeb> yes
2014-05-10T05:06:11 < emeb> 20*log10()
2014-05-10T05:06:48 < ds2> can't seem to figure out when people use power vs when they use voltages
2014-05-10T05:07:30 < emeb> yeah - that can be tricky
2014-05-10T05:07:48 < emeb> but in this case, your ADC is digitizing voltage, so it's pretty obvious...
2014-05-10T05:08:30 < emeb> in RF it's usually power and then it's measured in dBm or dBW.
2014-05-10T05:08:55 < ds2> yes but by definition, that has to be power
2014-05-10T05:09:02 < ds2> it is referenced to a watt
2014-05-10T05:09:34 < zyp> RF is power because you're dealing with radiated/received energy
2014-05-10T05:10:18 < emeb> generally yes. Sometimes crazy people design RF systems with respect to uV @ the antenna. :P
2014-05-10T05:10:29 < ds2> but antennas receive a voltage
2014-05-10T05:10:53 < ds2> but they have this fixed impedence thingie going
2014-05-10T05:11:26 < zyp> the voltage at the antenna for a given power would be specific for the impedance of the system, no?
2014-05-10T05:11:45 < emeb> seems so.
2014-05-10T05:12:15 < ds2> so once again...it isn't clear
2014-05-10T05:12:37 < ds2> dB numbeers seem to freely vary by 3db
2014-05-10T05:13:19 < emeb> so... confusing...
2014-05-10T05:14:23 < ds2> it is almost like the i vs j thing
2014-05-10T05:14:29 < zyp> anyway, the 3dB vs 6dB thing depends on whether it's the power or the square root of the power you're halving/doubling
2014-05-10T05:14:58 < ds2> I know the math...just donno which to use when
2014-05-10T05:15:13 < zyp> a double/halve in power is always 3dB
2014-05-10T05:15:33 < zyp> if you operation is causing a squared double/halve in power, that is 6dB
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2014-05-10T05:16:43 < emeb> right - remember that P = V^2/R, so that's where the 20 vs 10 thing comes from.
2014-05-10T05:16:51 < emeb> the square...
2014-05-10T05:16:52 < zyp> yes
2014-05-10T05:17:45 < zyp> as long as you know how what you're operating on relates to power, it should be easy to keep track of
2014-05-10T05:20:00 < ds2> Ok.... what about the not purely electrical stuff?
2014-05-10T05:20:05 < ds2> say sound pressure
2014-05-10T05:26:23 < ds2> does the sample time in the S/H effect noise received?
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2014-05-10T05:42:21 < emeb> ds2: it can - short S/H windows mean less integration time on the ADC hold cap, hence more noise.
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2014-05-10T06:17:36 < ds2> think there is a mystery div by 2 somewhere
2014-05-10T06:20:14 < emeb> that _never_ happens. :)
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2014-05-10T12:47:50 < dongs> http://phpthegoodparts.tumblr.com/
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2014-05-10T12:51:39 < superbia> any point of that link, besides freezing my firefox
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2014-05-10T15:05:22 < dongs> sup innovators
2014-05-10T15:06:02 < Tectu> yes
2014-05-10T15:06:15 < dongs> (and php coders)
2014-05-10T15:07:15 < dongs> making F4 64pin excel so i can make a  symbol in altium using smartgrid insert
2014-05-10T15:08:07 < dongs> why does F4 have two MCOs
2014-05-10T15:10:45 < superbia> send a letter to israel
2014-05-10T15:11:01 < dongs> superbia, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2014-05-10T15:11:14 < dongs> I dont appreciate this kind of racism in this channel
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2014-05-10T15:14:00 < superbia> what kind of racism do you appreciate ?
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2014-05-10T15:33:32 < PaulFertser> Freenode doesn't show the list of channels in /whois by default anymore.
2014-05-10T15:33:54 < dongs> it does
2014-05-10T15:34:00 < superbia> :D
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2014-05-10T15:34:07 < dongs> but only if they're not +s
2014-05-10T15:34:10 < dongs> i.e. like this channel
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2014-05-10T15:57:30 < dongs> why the fuck does F405RG have DCMI AF on pins when it doesnt have all of htem to actually have  working DCMI?
2014-05-10T15:58:17 < dongs> oh hm it sorta d oes
2014-05-10T15:58:19 < dongs> they're just all over
2014-05-10T15:58:41 < dongs> have DCMI and no pins left for anything else
2014-05-10T15:59:34 < zyp> probably becase it's the same die as the higher pin count ones
2014-05-10T15:59:46 < Steffanx> Yeah, wonderful uh? A few pins on each port
2014-05-10T15:59:56 < dongs> zyp, no doubt
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2014-05-10T16:08:29 < dongs> hm
2014-05-10T16:08:41 < dongs> is tehre any way to edit pins on a symbol thats on altium schematic
2014-05-10T16:08:47 < dongs> without editing the actual symbol
2014-05-10T16:08:53 < dongs> (in global schematic library
2014-05-10T16:09:24 < dongs> in dicktrace i can just drop a stm32 part, then edit each pin I use with its actual AF, like  TIMx_CHy etc
2014-05-10T16:09:32 < zyp> dunno, haven't tried
2014-05-10T16:09:42 < dongs> this shit I gotta keep it at PB0/whatever or add huge list of AF like PB0/CRAP/TIMx_CHy etc
2014-05-10T16:09:53 < zyp> the former is what I do
2014-05-10T16:10:09 < dongs> well, i dont necesarily use same AF in every stm proj
2014-05-10T16:10:20 < dongs> its timer on one, just gpio on another etc..
2014-05-10T16:10:25 < zyp> that's why I don't label them with AF at all
2014-05-10T16:10:31 < dongs> heh
2014-05-10T16:10:39 < dongs> but then its hard to schematic
2014-05-10T16:10:44 < dongs> cuz  y ou gotta go and see what hte fuck is what
2014-05-10T16:11:13 < zyp> you'd have to do that when relabelling anyway
2014-05-10T16:11:22 < dongs> once yes
2014-05-10T16:11:47 < zyp> well, every time you're changing around on AFs
2014-05-10T16:11:53 < dongs> sure
2014-05-10T16:12:01 < dongs> but once they're decided (in excel or something) i wont be touching them
2014-05-10T16:12:09 < dongs> so it'll be just one time when i put the symbol down
2014-05-10T16:12:22 < dongs> i tihnk the only way is duplicate it in scheamtic and make a per-project symbol..
2014-05-10T16:12:30 < dongs> like F103-proj1 or wahtever and use that
2014-05-10T16:12:52 < zyp> I'm not dicking around with excel, I just put down the symbol and hook up signals where I want them, and then it's kinda obvious which AF I want to use
2014-05-10T16:12:54 < dongs> i dont see any obvious ways to edit pins once its down
2014-05-10T16:12:57 < qyx_> you can use that microxplorer for that
2014-05-10T16:13:02 < dongs> qyx, i do that
2014-05-10T16:13:05 < dongs> thats waht I use to make the excel
2014-05-10T16:13:33 < qyx_> although it doesn$'t consider remap on pins
2014-05-10T16:13:40 < qyx_> on f1
2014-05-10T16:13:53 < zyp> if I have some pins hooked up to tx/rx lines, it's kinda obvious I want to use them for UART, for instance
2014-05-10T16:14:06 < dongs> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6obTnNhsMxJa0ZuLUpxT0pJVjQ/edit
2014-05-10T16:15:03 < dongs> this kinda shit is useful for doing firmware/etc and while initial schematic
2014-05-10T16:15:28 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/SU1IJ.png <- I tend to draw my schematics like this
2014-05-10T16:16:01 < zyp> create labels for everything and move them around and hook them up until I have everything
2014-05-10T16:19:04 < dongs> im gonna steal your power block design
2014-05-10T16:19:15 < dongs> how come your vbat is bc
2014-05-10T16:19:17 < dongs> nc
2014-05-10T16:19:20 < dongs> doesnt that go to vcc or soemthign
2014-05-10T16:19:26 < zyp> no point
2014-05-10T16:19:38 < dongs> yes, but isnt it required to go to vcc?
2014-05-10T16:19:40 < zyp> no
2014-05-10T16:19:43 < dongs> for PWR shit to work or something
2014-05-10T16:19:45 < dongs> maybe on F1 it is
2014-05-10T16:19:53 < zyp> vbat is unused whenever vcc is powered
2014-05-10T16:19:59 < dongs> hmrly ok
2014-05-10T16:20:16 < zyp> so leaving it nc or hooking it up don't really make any difference
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2014-05-10T16:28:45 < dongs> oh youmostly stole it from stm32-discovery schematic or somethign
2014-05-10T16:28:57 < dongs> ugh how the fuck do i add parts
2014-05-10T16:29:01 < dongs> i knew howi to do it
2014-05-10T16:29:19 < dongs> o tools>newpat
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2014-05-10T16:30:44 < dongs> how come your osc_in/out only has caps?
2014-05-10T16:31:36 < zyp> I took the screenshot before I had made a crystal symbol
2014-05-10T16:32:23 < dongs> heh
2014-05-10T16:32:50 < qyx_> maybe using broadband noise in the air to clock it
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2014-05-10T16:33:22 < qyx_> hm that reminds me.. i am living like 5km from big tw tower
2014-05-10T16:33:32 < dongs> tw?
2014-05-10T16:33:37 < qyx_> tv
2014-05-10T16:33:42 < dongs> o
2014-05-10T16:33:46 < qyx_> i should try a bulb on 5 meter wire
2014-05-10T16:33:51 < dongs> heh
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2014-05-10T16:52:52 < dongs> stupid F4 wasting BOOT1
2014-05-10T16:52:57 < dongs> f3 did it right for once with option bytes
2014-05-10T16:53:02 < dongs> who the fuck boots from sram???
2014-05-10T16:53:33 < superbia> letter -> israel
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2014-05-10T17:11:34 < Lt_Lemming> qyx_ it'd needto be a fluoro
2014-05-10T17:14:48 < dongs> i remember i saw some russkie video where a bunch of nutjobs just held some wet grass or something to a radio transmitter transformer/antenna/or something and you could hear the AM broadcast
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2014-05-10T20:03:29 < karlp> zyp: what are the 33nF caps on OSC_IN/OUT for on your schematic example earlier? I thought they could just be disconnected if you weren't using HSE?
2014-05-10T20:03:59 < karlp> nevermind, read the rest of the scrollback :)
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2014-05-10T20:09:08 < zyp> I don't have any screenshots of finished up schematics ;)
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2014-05-10T21:34:30 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile in england
2014-05-10T21:34:37 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2014/05/10/have-an-unused-diy-instrument-send-it-on-tour-with-imogen-heap/
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2014-05-10T21:47:31 < Laurenceb_> http://assets.meanwhilein.org/hashed_silo_content/c95/9bf/8f0/resized/greatbritan.jpg
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2014-05-10T22:06:26 < Robint91> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaolVEJEjV4
2014-05-10T22:06:30 < Robint91> hi all
2014-05-10T22:06:43 < Robint91> Steffanx, watching eurosong?
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2014-05-10T22:07:59 < anic_> aaarggh!
2014-05-10T22:09:11 < upgrdman> lol. evening sporting a beard. wtf...
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2014-05-10T22:25:27 < emeb> Laurenceb_: heh - she's an odd one.
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2014-05-10T23:04:23 < owl-v-> amazing beard!
2014-05-10T23:04:53 < emeb> looks drawn on
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2014-05-11T00:13:37 < Steffanx> lol no Robint91
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2014-05-11T02:30:12 < dongs> Tectu: sup
2014-05-11T02:30:28 < Tectu> dongs, not much, enjoying the proprietary softwarez¨
2014-05-11T02:31:30 < dongs> haha
2014-05-11T02:36:42 < zyp> dongs, say, for a design that's duplicated n times and chained, how does the tradeoff in cost between combining multiple instances per board vs having more and smaller boards work out?
2014-05-11T02:37:37 < zyp> for instance that led matrix board you worked on once, say you make the board twice as big and put two matrix modules on it instead
2014-05-11T02:39:32 < Tectu> okay guys, please explain to me the difference between a mutex and a sempahore with count 1
2014-05-11T02:40:18 < Tectu> I mean there are even binary semaphores
2014-05-11T02:40:21 < zyp> is there one?
2014-05-11T02:40:22 < Tectu> so what's the god damn difference
2014-05-11T02:40:30 < Tectu> there must be reasons why there is both
2014-05-11T02:41:22 < qyx_> mutex is used for mutual exclusion
2014-05-11T02:41:23 < zyp> just semantics
2014-05-11T02:41:32 < zyp> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/62814/difference-between-binary-semaphore-and-mutex
2014-05-11T02:43:36 < Tectu> i see
2014-05-11T02:43:37 < Tectu> thanks
2014-05-11T02:43:41 < qyx_> also in the context of chibios there is a difference
2014-05-11T02:43:47 < qyx_> if you are asking that
2014-05-11T02:44:07 < qyx_> between mutex and binary semaphore
2014-05-11T02:44:32 < zyp> the basic idea is that a mutex has the explicit purpose of giving you exclusive access to a resource, while a semaphore may be used for signalling between threads
2014-05-11T02:45:38 < Tectu> qyx_, I was pretty much going for that one indeed
2014-05-11T02:45:48 < Tectu> qyx_, I never quite understood the difference that well
2014-05-11T02:45:59 < Tectu> zyp, I see
2014-05-11T02:46:50 < qyx_> then read http://www.chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:guides:mutual_exclusion_guide
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2014-05-11T02:47:22 < Tectu> \o/
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2014-05-11T04:02:52 < dongs> zyp: film cost increases with board area, thats a big factor in pcb cost
2014-05-11T04:03:08 < dongs> zyp: but when its arrayed, if I remember/understand correctly, film is only made per board in array
2014-05-11T04:18:37 < upgrdman> don't they expose a whole board at a time?
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2014-05-11T04:25:39 < dongs> dunno
2014-05-11T04:28:31 < zyp> how big of a factor?
2014-05-11T04:29:29 < dongs> wel,l you dont wanna make a 30x30cm board.
2014-05-11T04:29:50 < dongs> i mean maybe you do but it wont be too cheap.
2014-05-11T04:29:53 < zyp> I guess the question is whether it's big enough to make up for the extra parts and assembly work required for the connectors you'd need otherwise
2014-05-11T04:29:53 < dongs> what are you planning?
2014-05-11T04:31:01 < zyp> some led shit, not matrices though
2014-05-11T04:31:44 < dongs> if its mostly wasted copper, might be better to use bars or similar
2014-05-11T04:31:57 < zyp> bars?
2014-05-11T04:32:23 < dongs> yeah i mean,, you only have thin pcb where this led shit plugs in and then header it to real controller board or something
2014-05-11T04:32:46 < dongs> like if it was a long pcb of those 8x8 matrixes, it could be cheaper to have 2 thin bars terminating into a controller at the end.
2014-05-11T04:33:20 < dongs> anyway, really depends on area, i dont know the formula i'd have to ask
2014-05-11T04:34:04 < zyp> by the way, what was that driver chip you used for the matrix stuff?
2014-05-11T04:34:10 < zyp> and how much is it?
2014-05-11T04:34:11 < dongs> lemme see...
2014-05-11T04:34:37 < dongs> MY9221TE
2014-05-11T04:34:59 < dongs> they trolled me, it was "like spi" but not quite spi, so you couldnt use spi peripheral for it
2014-05-11T04:35:05 < zyp> ugh
2014-05-11T04:35:12 < dongs> at least i couldnt :)
2014-05-11T04:35:20 < zyp> how so?
2014-05-11T04:35:57 < dongs> http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/9/98/MY9221_DS_1.0.pdf page 13
2014-05-11T04:36:03 < zyp> ah
2014-05-11T04:36:06 < zyp> saw it
2014-05-11T04:36:07 < zyp> DDR
2014-05-11T04:36:07 < dongs> its fucking ddr
2014-05-11T04:36:07 < dongs> heh
2014-05-11T04:36:11 < dongs> yea
2014-05-11T04:36:31 < zyp> ok, that sounds annoying
2014-05-11T04:36:46 < dongs> bitbang all the things
2014-05-11T04:37:51 < qyx_> i wonder if you could do that using 2 spi's
2014-05-11T04:38:00 < dongs> heh
2014-05-11T04:38:03 < qyx_> xor-ed or whatever-ed together
2014-05-11T04:38:55 < zyp> you could use spi and just run the clock through a 1-bit counter to halve the clock rate
2014-05-11T04:38:58 < zyp> :p
2014-05-11T04:39:12 < qyx_> not bad
2014-05-11T04:40:04 < dongs> wao so clever
2014-05-11T04:40:37 < qyx_> what.. no
2014-05-11T04:40:44 < qyx_> you actually need to double the rate
2014-05-11T04:40:55 < dongs> zyp, the best part is price
2014-05-11T04:40:58 < zyp> no, it's the data rate you need to double
2014-05-11T04:40:59 < dongs> its 50.c
2014-05-11T04:41:06 < zyp> halving the clock equals doubling the data rate
2014-05-11T04:41:08 < dongs> or was in 2012 when i last got it
2014-05-11T04:41:14 < zyp> dongs, ok, that's kinda nice
2014-05-11T04:41:23 < qyx_> ah, yes
2014-05-11T04:42:15 < dongs> tlc59282 is 17c if you dont need brightness control
2014-05-11T04:42:42 < zyp> I probably don't
2014-05-11T04:44:19 < dongs> i abused that to drive 7seg
2014-05-11T04:44:34 < dongs> and then abused it even more to use as a switch for highside of same 7seg
2014-05-11T04:45:27 < zyp> by controlling PNPs?
2014-05-11T04:45:33 < dongs> yea
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2014-05-11T04:47:46 < zyp> I'm looking at driving 16seg
2014-05-11T04:48:13 < zyp> annoying part is that some segments have multiple diodes in parallel, requiring twice the current of other segments
2014-05-11T04:48:25 < dongs> well, tlc woudl work, no?
2014-05-11T04:48:35 < dongs> hm multiple current
2014-05-11T04:48:42 < dongs> how did tehy fail it like that
2014-05-11T04:49:08 < zyp> dunno
2014-05-11T04:49:34 < zyp> I guess trying to keep the voltage down by not wiring all in series
2014-05-11T04:51:02 < zyp> I'm not sure how much the difference matters in brightness, I thought about getting a couple and wiring them up to check
2014-05-11T04:51:48 < zyp> cheapest solution might be wiring resistors in parallel with the low-current segments to reduce the current through the leds
2014-05-11T04:51:59 < zyp> since you have constant current drive
2014-05-11T04:52:19 < qyx_> classic spi extenders are also suitable for this if you are going to use resistors
2014-05-11T04:52:46 < qyx_> *expanders
2014-05-11T04:52:55 < zyp> yeah, I could do that too, but that means more resistors
2014-05-11T04:53:31 < zyp> there are 10 high-current segments and 6 low-current segments, so if I can cheat, I only need 6 resistors
2014-05-11T04:53:41 < zyp> 7 if you count the setting resistor for the led driver
2014-05-11T04:56:31 < dongs> moving 280gb at 40meg/sec is tedious
2014-05-11T04:56:37 < dongs> shitty fucking laptop hdds
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2014-05-11T04:59:35 < dongs> 16seg is what, one of those 7seg that can also do / \ etc?
2014-05-11T04:59:39 < dongs> to make moar letters?
2014-05-11T04:59:43 < zyp> yes
2014-05-11T05:01:06 < dongs> http://windways.org/personal_page/stockticker/16-seg%20Character%20Set.gif
2014-05-11T05:01:08 < dongs> ooooo
2014-05-11T05:01:09 < dongs> pretty
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2014-05-11T05:16:35 < dongs> http://windways.org/personal_page/stockticker/ sweet
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2014-05-11T06:34:30 < dongs> sup blogs
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2014-05-11T07:19:59 < dongs> owl-v-: status
2014-05-11T07:20:13 < dongs> ready to innovate?
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2014-05-11T07:25:30 < owl-v-> dongs: i have trouble using dsp library. other then that, yes.
2014-05-11T07:26:03 < dongs> "trouble":?
2014-05-11T07:26:06 < dongs> what the hell is tehre to use
2014-05-11T07:26:09 < dongs> do you know what math youre doing?
2014-05-11T07:26:18 < owl-v-> yes
2014-05-11T07:26:30 < dongs> so where's the problem
2014-05-11T07:26:40 < owl-v-> arm_cos_f32
2014-05-11T07:27:00 < dongs> why? if  you just use cosf() it will be using hardfloat if possible
2014-05-11T07:27:44 < owl-v-> debug shows that it loops in 'for' loop when it should get out when i = 32.
2014-05-11T07:28:53 < dongs> just use cosf(), debug, and see how many cpu cycles it takes
2014-05-11T07:30:22 < PaulFertser> owl-v-: also, are you not doing equality comparison for float/double by any chance?
2014-05-11T07:31:09 < dongs> if you want hardfloat used everywhere, make sure all literals are suffixed with f, like 1.0f etc
2014-05-11T07:31:20 < dongs> and use f-suffix math shit, cosf(), sinf(), etc etc.
2014-05-11T07:31:30 < dongs> check .map file and see if  youre pulling in any d2f of f2d type shit
2014-05-11T07:31:55 < owl-v-> it was a example of dsp-library
2014-05-11T07:32:07 < GargantuaSauce> -fsingle-precision-constant if you always forget the literal f suffix like me
2014-05-11T07:32:21 < dongs> and -wpromote-doubles or somethign
2014-05-11T07:32:24 < dongs> if  you dont
2014-05-11T07:32:37 < dongs> -Wdouble-promotion
2014-05-11T07:32:38 < dongs> that
2014-05-11T07:32:42 < owl-v-> >> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/k2Qceb12.html
2014-05-11T07:32:49 < owl-v-> the 'loop2'
2014-05-11T07:33:27 < dongs> man thats some beaky code
2014-05-11T07:33:35 < dongs> have you ever heard of this thing called 'indentation'
2014-05-11T07:33:38 < dongs> it helps you focus
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2014-05-11T07:44:28 < owl-v-> hm.. looks like it's using floating point co-processor
2014-05-11T07:44:48 < dongs> it should be if you told it to
2014-05-11T07:46:46 < owl-v-> i see bunch of load instructions for arm_cos_f32 but there is no 'cos' arm-instruction
2014-05-11T07:48:14 < dongs> why would tehre be one?
2014-05-11T07:48:19 < dongs> did you look inside arm_cos_f32() ?
2014-05-11T07:48:24 < dongs> its LUT + some crap
2014-05-11T07:49:13 < dongs> i think the only hard arm-instruction is for sqrtf
2014-05-11T07:54:23 < owl-v-> crap. gdb internal-error  :=(
2014-05-11T07:58:49 < owl-v-> crap. gdb exit value: -1>gdb
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2014-05-11T08:11:16 < owl-v-> reboot!
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2014-05-11T08:29:49 < owl-v-> fml
2014-05-11T08:40:49 < dongs> lol
2014-05-11T08:46:36 < jpa-> even the hard sqrtf() is not always used on the default settings, because math.h sqrtf() has different error behaviour
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2014-05-11T09:04:36 < owl-v-> holy sh** >> GDB segmentation fault:11
2014-05-11T09:11:28 < dongs> seems the problem is lunix
2014-05-11T09:13:18 < anic_> you get what you pay for
2014-05-11T09:13:23 < owl-v-> screw eclipse
2014-05-11T09:13:51 < owl-v-> i'm using terminal for now until eclipse is fixed
2014-05-11T09:14:02 < owl-v-> gdb --tui rocks
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2014-05-11T09:16:09 < jpa-> i hope you are using arm-none-eabi-gdb and not plain gdb ;)
2014-05-11T09:16:12 < owl-v-> sh** internal error again ><
2014-05-11T09:16:21 < owl-v-> arm-none-eabi-gdb
2014-05-11T09:16:54 < dongs> omg
2014-05-11T09:17:01 < dongs> dell 4k is 200km from me
2014-05-11T09:17:16 < dongs> i may get it tomrorw
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2014-05-11T09:25:09 < owl-v-> dongs: a monitor?
2014-05-11T09:25:16 < dongs> y
2014-05-11T09:25:26 < owl-v-> gdb err.. >> http://pastecode.org/index.php/view/25090193
2014-05-11T09:25:33 < dongs> UP2414Q
2014-05-11T09:25:41 < owl-v-> screw this(gdb)
2014-05-11T09:26:27 < owl-v-> dongs: that's huge!
2014-05-11T09:26:28 < jpa-> owl-v-: which gcc version do you build with?
2014-05-11T09:26:55 < jpa-> i.e. does it match?
2014-05-11T09:27:58 < owl-v-> jpa-: arm-none-eabi-gcc (GNU Tools for ARM Embedded Processors) 4.8.3 20140228 (release) [ARM/embedded-4_8-branch revision 208322]
2014-05-11T09:28:30 < owl-v-> jpa-:GNU gdb (GNU Tools for ARM Embedded Processors) 7.6.0.20140228-cvs
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2014-05-11T09:41:06 < dekar> owl-v-, get TNT :)
2014-05-11T09:41:40 < owl-v-> dekar: blow up what? gdb?
2014-05-11T09:42:02 < dekar> owl-v-, https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT
2014-05-11T09:42:12 < jpa-> owl-v-: which debugger interface are you using, btw?
2014-05-11T09:42:18 < jpa-> openocd?
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2014-05-11T09:46:19 < owl-v-> *shrug*
2014-05-11T09:46:45 < owl-v-> standard openocd?
2014-05-11T09:47:08 < owl-v-> Open On-Chip Debugger 0.8.0 (2014-05-01-23:01)
2014-05-11T09:47:20 < owl-v-> http://openocd.sourceforge.net/doc/doxygen/bugs.html
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2014-05-11T09:49:43 < owl-v-> how do i remove my openocd?
2014-05-11T09:49:55 < dongs> what debug probe?
2014-05-11T09:50:02 < dongs> stdink?
2014-05-11T09:50:05 < owl-v-> overwirte by intall?
2014-05-11T09:50:12 < owl-v-> probe?
2014-05-11T09:50:19 < dongs> debug hardware.
2014-05-11T09:50:29 < owl-v-> stlink-v2 (discovery)
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2014-05-11T10:21:24 < dongs> cool, dell passed customs. arrives tomrorw
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2014-05-11T10:54:30 < owl-v-> my innovation stopped :-(
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2014-05-11T11:10:04 < owl-v-> downgrading arm-gcc...
2014-05-11T11:11:24 < owl-v-> downgrading arm-gcc didn't solve my problem :-(
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2014-05-11T11:15:37 < owl-v-> arm gcc related >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+bug/1284598
2014-05-11T11:16:39 < owl-v-> maybe it has problem with hard fp regs?
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2014-05-11T11:21:28 < owl-v-> yup.
2014-05-11T11:22:33 < owl-v-> looks like the problem came from hard-fp.
2014-05-11T11:22:52 < owl-v-> or DSP_Lib
2014-05-11T11:24:48 < GargantuaSauce> -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 in both compile and link?
2014-05-11T11:25:57 < GargantuaSauce> SCB->CPACR |= ((3UL << 10*2)|(3UL << 11*2)); somewhere before stuff using the fpu?
2014-05-11T11:31:09 < dongs> wat the hell is that
2014-05-11T11:31:20 < dongs> i didnt  ahve to do that
2014-05-11T11:31:43 < GargantuaSauce> it's in startup.c i guess
2014-05-11T11:31:51 < GargantuaSauce> just enables the fpu shit
2014-05-11T11:32:27 < dongs>   #if (__FPU_PRESENT == 1) && (__FPU_USED == 1)
2014-05-11T11:32:27 < dongs>     SCB->CPACR |= ((3UL << 10*2)|(3UL << 11*2));  /* set CP10 and CP11 Full Access */
2014-05-11T11:32:30 < dongs> o
2014-05-11T11:40:38 < owl-v-> ARCH_FLAGS = -mthumb -march=armv7e-m -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 # Cortex-M4 with FPU
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2014-05-11T11:43:35 < GargantuaSauce> and you're compiling the DSP_Lib with the same settings?
2014-05-11T11:44:37 < GargantuaSauce> how are you invoking gdb?
2014-05-11T11:44:57 < owl-v-> yes. if i use DSP_Lib functions i get... well, gdb breaks.
2014-05-11T11:45:24 < GargantuaSauce> does it work without gdb attached?
2014-05-11T11:47:32 < owl-v-> i removed 'loop2' function which uses DSP_Lib functions and gdb is fine.
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2014-05-11T11:56:19 < owl-v-> this is my makefile. i modified dekar:'s makefile. >> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/hmFqtB65.html
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2014-05-11T12:02:26 < owl-v-> black text >> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/rlHiai60.html
2014-05-11T12:02:34 < owl-v-> i don't like green text
2014-05-11T12:16:11 < dongs> hm i always thought it was eliasoneal
2014-05-11T12:16:15 < dongs> just notices it was oenal
2014-05-11T12:16:35 < dongs> owl-v-: did you know arm provides prebuilt binaries for dsp lib
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2014-05-11T12:18:12 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/121338664833?item=121338664833&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466 looks legit
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2014-05-11T12:31:37 < owl-v-> i don't understand why the example code didn't work
2014-05-11T12:31:57 < owl-v-> arm_sin_f32(1.23f) worked just fine :-(
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2014-05-11T12:36:11 < owl-v-> oh, i was using fixed-fp of dsp.
2014-05-11T12:36:32 < owl-v-> maybe that's the causing gdb error
2014-05-11T12:39:05 < owl-v-> FastMathFunctions of DSP_Lib 'arm_cos_f32.c'
2014-05-11T12:49:16 < owl-v-> time to innovate :-)
2014-05-11T13:02:40 < GargantuaSauce> what are you building stark
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2014-05-11T13:22:49 < dongs> STM32 DC/DC converter
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2014-05-11T15:38:05 < owl-v-> GargantuaSauce: what's stark?
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2014-05-11T15:40:08 < dongs> ...
2014-05-11T15:40:18 < dongs> did you watch ironman
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2014-05-11T15:41:07 < superbia> was that a man that got captured somewhere near israel ? by terror rirst ?
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2014-05-11T16:25:44 < owl-v-> no no, it's the guy who stole the Russian technology
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2014-05-11T16:41:49 < scrts> "Russian technology"!
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2014-05-11T22:02:08 < Tectu> #if 0 && GINPUT_NEED_MOUSE
2014-05-11T22:02:13 < Tectu> this.
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2014-05-12T00:46:42 < owl-v-> holy hot! it an operate at 260 degree celsius. i was wondering who would ever use hc12 architecture >> http://kr.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Freescale-Semiconductor/S912XEQ384J3CAL/?qs=nf24X8JpkfnFotIB8Yghag%3d%3d
2014-05-12T00:49:10 < GargantuaSauce> for those times when you need your firmware running in the reflow oven
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2014-05-12T00:52:04 < scrts> LOL
2014-05-12T00:53:31 < owl-v-> ideal for robot fire fighters?
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2014-05-12T01:35:04 < dongs> owl-v- is still beaking around
2014-05-12T01:35:20 < dongs> still doesnt have ayn purpose, just looking for rad-hard and extreme temperature range hardware
2014-05-12T01:36:24 < BrainDamage> arduino powered boiling water reactor
2014-05-12T01:44:46 < bvernoux> dongs: rad-hard => SmartFusion2 SOC seems nice for that
2014-05-12T01:47:07 < dongs> too bad actel tools are such shit
2014-05-12T01:47:17 < dongs> so that makes any other possible advantages of t hem pretty moot
2014-05-12T01:58:25 < bvernoux> I have never tested their tools but they seems pretty new for SmartFusion2
2014-05-12T01:59:52 < bvernoux> the things I do not know is does they requires buying IP for the different external stuff like DDR, PCIe Endpoints ...
2014-05-12T02:00:26 < bvernoux> or the famous SERDES Lanes which seems to be amazing
2014-05-12T02:00:39 < dongs> http://magazines.magazineclonercdn.com/107e8e4a-7f22-4b41-998a-9a67cee76f00/ce583b16-8760-46f5-8a1c-8136a0b62c17/pdf/0000.pdf
2014-05-12T02:01:33 < bvernoux> and VQ144 package seems amazing for an FPGA ;)
2014-05-12T02:01:49 < bvernoux> at least something friendly for development/fast prototypes
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2014-05-12T02:07:15 < zyp> dongs, got any suggestions for places worth visiting in japan?
2014-05-12T02:07:46 < dongs> didnt you ask me that last time
2014-05-12T02:07:54 < dongs> and it was like: NO
2014-05-12T02:08:03 < zyp> I forgot
2014-05-12T02:08:28 < zyp> I just remember that you hate tokyo :p
2014-05-12T02:08:51 < dongs> http://magazines.magazineclonercdn.com/107e8e4a-7f22-4b41-998a-9a67cee76f00/ce583b16-8760-46f5-8a1c-8136a0b62c17/pdf/0020.pdf haha
2014-05-12T02:08:59 < dongs> soundcard for shitberry pi
2014-05-12T02:10:21 < BrainDamage> fukushima power plant
2014-05-12T02:11:00 < zyp> good idea, I haven't been there yet
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2014-05-12T02:14:02 < dongs> lets see if matchboxarm deliverd anything yet
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2014-05-12T02:17:26 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1030661323/printoo-paper-thin-flexible-arduinotm-compatible-m?ref=category whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
2014-05-12T02:17:42 < Miek> it's safe to say that matchboxarm didn't blow the money on a PR team
2014-05-12T02:17:55 < dongs> they blew it in vodka instead
2014-05-12T02:18:10 < dongs> because what they had there could have been manufactured and shipped ahead of schedule with 1/4 of what they got.
2014-05-12T02:19:58 < owl-v-> that's fun looking board
2014-05-12T02:20:34 < dongs> what is
2014-05-12T02:20:39 < dongs> paper tarduino?
2014-05-12T02:20:54 < owl-v-> thats not paper, is it?
2014-05-12T02:21:42 < owl-v-> maybe flexible polymer?
2014-05-12T02:29:11 < dongs> whatever the fuck it is, its completely useelss.
2014-05-12T02:30:27 < owl-v-> i think it's just demo for their technology. polymer board...
2014-05-12T02:45:51 < dekar> even though I never had any use for it, I kinda like the idea of flexible PCB
2014-05-12T02:48:27 < dekar> though having non-flexible connectors on all four edges of their core module defeats the purpose
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2014-05-12T03:07:46 < Laurenceb_> iteadstudio do flexipcb
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2014-05-12T03:21:44 < dongs> 2nd dell arrived
2014-05-12T03:25:21 < dongs> and TK1 devbox
2014-05-12T03:25:24 < dongs> pretty small.
2014-05-12T03:25:58 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plxdevices/legion-meter-charge-your-smartphone-92-faster?ref=category wat
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2014-05-12T03:30:13 < zyp> go spec violations!
2014-05-12T03:30:41 < dongs> im guessing thier "pateanted technology" is just some analog switch that puts resistors into D+/D- shits for mobile charging stuff?
2014-05-12T03:30:52 < zyp> yeah
2014-05-12T03:30:55 < dongs> amaze.
2014-05-12T03:31:02 < dongs> and 69 bucks, what a fucking rip
2014-05-12T03:31:21 < gxti> but but but OLEDs
2014-05-12T03:31:37 < zyp> ah
2014-05-12T03:31:54 < zyp> it's the same scamguys who did the «digital focus flashlight»
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2014-05-12T03:32:22 < GargantuaSauce> i want a device in that vein that can convince a tablet to actually fucking charge on a normal pc usb port
2014-05-12T03:32:24 < zyp> oh, and that other shit
2014-05-12T03:32:48 < gxti> why are there so many dildo charger kickstarters anyway
2014-05-12T03:32:53 < gxti> is this a serious need that must be filled
2014-05-12T03:33:01 < gxti> charging your dildo 90% faster
2014-05-12T03:33:13 < gxti> charging your dildo "on the go"
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2014-05-12T03:33:28 < gxti> charging your dildo without getting AIDS from the airport charger
2014-05-12T03:34:46 < dongs> zyp, the also make extremely overpriced ricer car gauges
2014-05-12T03:35:25 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25qU-hsbCMQ
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2014-05-12T03:35:47 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1485508550/low-voltage-metal-sensor-for-use-with-arduino-type?ref=category wat teh fuck
2014-05-12T03:38:33 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1966705864/help-13-yo-isaac-marry-raspberry-pi-to-quadcopter?ref=category
2014-05-12T03:38:39 < GargantuaSauce> it's inductive...but non magnetic!
2014-05-12T03:39:16 < zyp> that much is true
2014-05-12T03:39:54 < zyp> I guess the point they're making is that it'll work even on nonmagnetic metal
2014-05-12T03:40:27 < zyp> aluminum is nonmagnetic, but you can still induce a current in it
2014-05-12T03:40:29 < dongs> k time to see if reports of 2 4k screens not working off single nvs510 are true
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2014-05-12T03:42:57 < emeb> got a couple of f405rgt6 parts sitting around - going to do a board w/ USB OTG, audio, lcd & SDIO to play with.
2014-05-12T03:43:17 < zyp> fun fun
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2014-05-12T03:49:01 < owl-v-> lol is ST moving from stdperiph to stm32cube?
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2014-05-12T03:50:26 < GargantuaSauce> haven't we already had this conversation?
2014-05-12T03:50:29 < GargantuaSauce> but the answer is yes
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2014-05-12T03:51:21 < GargantuaSauce> stdperiphlib was pretty explicitly 'for guidance only' in the first place
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2014-05-12T03:51:33 < GargantuaSauce> not that that stopped anyone from putting it in products
2014-05-12T03:55:50 < dongs> cube is worse
2014-05-12T03:56:34 < owl-v-> what's wrong with cube?
2014-05-12T03:58:18 < dongs> everything
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2014-05-12T04:07:26 < owl-v-> if everything is wrong then why ST decided to go with Cube?
2014-05-12T04:08:23 < GargantuaSauce> good hardware vendors make terrible software
2014-05-12T04:08:39 < GargantuaSauce> it's a fundamental law of the universe
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2014-05-12T04:10:05 < owl-v-> lol
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2014-05-12T04:21:03 < dekar> owl-v-, have you managed to compile cube yet?
2014-05-12T04:25:11 < owl-v-> tried, but all of the path in source code was windows format.
2014-05-12T04:32:34 < dekar> owl-v-, doesn't that qualify as being worse than stdperiphlib?
2014-05-12T04:33:19 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-12T04:35:10 < owl-v-> looks like windows users complained about stdperiph and the solution is cube.
2014-05-12T04:36:16 < GargantuaSauce> final solution to the firmware problem
2014-05-12T04:38:11 < dekar> GargantuaSauce, regarding charging stuff faster. I've just used a scalpel to make a tiny slit in the side of a USB cable, cut the data lines and shorted them on the device side. Now my phone recognises my car stereo as a charger. :)
2014-05-12T04:38:40 < GargantuaSauce> i want to be able to do use adb over usb and charge at the same time
2014-05-12T04:39:00 < GargantuaSauce> which seems to be out of the question
2014-05-12T04:39:17 < dekar> GargantuaSauce, that's actually possible, just not as easy.
2014-05-12T04:40:22 < dekar> the USB spec calls it charging downstream port and there are ICs to handle the detection/signaling
2014-05-12T04:41:27 < dekar> GargantuaSauce, you could always use ADB over TCP/IP
2014-05-12T04:41:41 < GargantuaSauce> yeah that's my present solution, but it's a real pain to do multiple devices that way
2014-05-12T04:42:56 < BrainDamage> isn't CDP max current < DCP max current? so you'd have to hope the device's max current falls within CDP specs
2014-05-12T04:43:19 < BrainDamage> iirc charging downstream max is like 0.9A
2014-05-12T04:43:34 < GargantuaSauce> looks like half an amp for CDP
2014-05-12T04:43:51 < GargantuaSauce> which yeah is insufficient for it to actually go into charging mode i think
2014-05-12T04:44:06 < dekar> BrainDamage, devices charging at >500mA have to monitor the voltage since that's used to signal the maximum current
2014-05-12T04:44:32 < dekar> CDP is up to 1.5A
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2014-05-12T04:58:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mKODy9N.jpg
2014-05-12T05:00:47 < owl-v-> +1
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2014-05-12T05:02:08 < zyp> nice
2014-05-12T05:02:32 < zyp> hmm, I haven't even thought about using one monitor for schematic and one for pcb
2014-05-12T05:02:51 < dongs> yes altium has nice support for tearing off windows
2014-05-12T05:02:53 < dongs> and moving to another monitor
2014-05-12T05:02:58 < GargantuaSauce> whats that bga you're innovating with
2014-05-12T05:03:08 < dongs> some work garbage. japtv shit
2014-05-12T05:03:57 < zyp> which monitors are those? UP2414Q?
2014-05-12T05:04:32 < dongs> yea
2014-05-12T05:04:39 < zyp> looks nice
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2014-05-12T05:12:30 < qyx_> 04:02 < dongs> yes altium has nice support for tearing off windows
2014-05-12T05:12:31 < qyx_> wut
2014-05-12T05:12:36 < qyx_> sdi apps reinvented
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2014-05-12T05:25:25 < dongs> dont hate, innovate
2014-05-12T05:30:18 < GargantuaSauce> they see me rollin', they innovatin'
2014-05-12T05:35:11 < owl-v-> dongs: which graphic card did u use on dual-screen?
2014-05-12T05:38:27 < dekar_> dongs, now I want one as well. I actually haven't used my 1080p monitor since I got a retina macbook, always felt too much like a downgrade.
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2014-05-12T05:40:51 < dekar_> last time I moved a schematic to the external monitor I realised I couldn't even read the labels without zooming, whereas it was fine on the laptop display
2014-05-12T05:45:00 < qyx_> dongs: sdi is concept few decades old, most of lunix apps use it instead of classic windows mdi
2014-05-12T05:45:06 < qyx_> and everyone hate it
2014-05-12T05:45:46 < qyx_> your beloved eagle is typical sdi and can have every window on different screen/virtual screen
2014-05-12T05:46:00 < owl-v-> do u ever order pcb for personal use?
2014-05-12T05:46:46 < zyp> personal use in the same sense that you have personal lubricants?
2014-05-12T05:49:20 < GargantuaSauce> finally fessing up to the true purpose of your "human interface devices"?
2014-05-12T05:51:51 < zyp> :(
2014-05-12T05:52:32 < GargantuaSauce> your teledildonics project is nothing to be ashamed of!
2014-05-12T05:53:52 < emeb> you people. ;)
2014-05-12T05:56:12 < owl-v-> zyp: lol
2014-05-12T05:57:12 < owl-v-> i mean for your own home project.
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2014-05-12T05:57:38 < owl-v-> not for others(like companies...)
2014-05-12T05:58:22 < qyx_> sometimes, although dongs is real master
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2014-05-12T05:59:00 < qyx_> he often does big pcb's with 2000-ball bga's with reconfigurable mcu running arm emulator which is emulating avr
2014-05-12T05:59:22 < qyx_> so he can blink a led using his favorite ide
2014-05-12T06:00:10 < qyx_> you know, just for the pleasure
2014-05-12T06:00:51 < owl-v-> mm..., 'pleasure'...
2014-05-12T06:01:09 < dongs> aha personal use
2014-05-12T06:01:26 < owl-v-> how much does it cost to order your pcb design?
2014-05-12T06:02:26 < dongs> cheap
2014-05-12T06:03:01 < owl-v-> not so cheap in where i'm staying.
2014-05-12T06:04:03 < zyp> are you staying in a pcb fab?
2014-05-12T06:04:41 < dongs> since i usually have customers boards I can just panel my own shit into it for free.
2014-05-12T06:04:52 < dongs> zyp, and your 4L shit should be done soon
2014-05-12T06:05:01 < dongs> i made it enig at last minute
2014-05-12T06:05:06 < zyp> nice
2014-05-12T06:05:07 < dongs> oh, which remidns me
2014-05-12T06:05:10 < dongs> i need to submit a bunch fo stencils
2014-05-12T06:05:12 < dongs> do you want yours on there too
2014-05-12T06:05:19 < zyp> that would be nice
2014-05-12T06:05:41 < dongs> ok. i need to re member what all I need to panel on the stencil, i had a bunch of shit in queue
2014-05-12T06:11:37 < dongs> anything particular you dont want to be stenciled?
2014-05-12T06:11:42 < dongs> oh shit, its doublesided?
2014-05-12T06:11:48 < zyp> ah, yes
2014-05-12T06:13:12 < dongs> youi dont care how close they're together right
2014-05-12T06:13:14 < dongs> on sheet
2014-05-12T06:13:15 < zyp> all smt pads should be stenciled, none of the pth pads
2014-05-12T06:13:52 < dongs> ya, thats obvious iwas just checking if there was some pads that needed to be not open like jumper/type shit but nothing so its fine
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2014-05-12T06:14:23 < zyp> distance doesn't matter as long as they're far enough that I can keep paste from the holes for the other side
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2014-05-12T06:16:21 < zyp> by the way, what is the status of those connectors for that other stuff?
2014-05-12T06:17:11 < zyp> when do you need the all-smt gerbers if boards should be done when connectors arrive?
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2014-05-12T06:19:38 < dongs> ordered, ill ping them back in a week or so to see status
2014-05-12T06:19:41 < dongs> its only been wat like 2 weeks? :)
2014-05-12T06:20:05 < zyp> I'm bad at keeping track of time :p
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2014-05-12T06:30:47 < dongs> http://vonilis.com/Galaxy.html
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2014-05-12T07:05:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/OnOfW95.jpg enough i2c buses???
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2014-05-12T10:28:15 < dongs> zyp: stencil for your shit is in
2014-05-12T10:29:01 < GargantuaSauce> does your place seriously have a 4 hour turnaround time for stencils
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2014-05-12T10:31:07 < dongs> its not that hard to laser as tencil
2014-05-12T10:31:41 < dongs> i can have PCBs in 24 hours too if i pay for it
2014-05-12T10:31:45 < dongs> quality is like same
2014-05-12T10:31:50 < dongs> i did that a couple times
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2014-05-12T16:08:55 < dongs> http://i.stack.imgur.com/abV6X.jpg
2014-05-12T16:17:52 < Steffanx> wonderful dongs...
2014-05-12T16:18:18 < dongs> not mine!
2014-05-12T16:18:24 < dongs> but im stealin that fet part# ig uess
2014-05-12T16:18:29 < dongs> i hope those clowns tested it.
2014-05-12T16:18:32 < dongs> cuz the fet i used was garbage.
2014-05-12T16:19:00 < Steffanx> lol, you can also look at the specs of the fet? :)
2014-05-12T16:20:17 < Steffanx> is that altium?
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2014-05-12T16:24:06 < dongs> yea but thats not my screenshto
2014-05-12T16:25:14 < Steffanx> i know, but i dont recognized it as being altiu, L9
2014-05-12T16:25:15 < Steffanx> :)
2014-05-12T16:25:28 < aadamson> anyone have a good suggestion for a 3.0-4.2 (1S lipo) in, to 2.0v out buck controller, that will work well at <5ma of current?
2014-05-12T16:25:46 < aadamson> I have a tps62290, but it has a major problem
2014-05-12T16:25:58 < aadamson> for 2ma of demand, it want's 6ma of draw :(
2014-05-12T16:26:44 < dongs> http://www.linear.com/product/LTC3440 ?
2014-05-12T16:28:06 < dongs> 25uA dunno how legit that is
2014-05-12T16:28:20 < dongs> its a buckboost which you dont need the boost part but i guess if it works as low-power enough buck..
2014-05-12T16:28:23 < aadamson> thanks Dong, not looking for buck/boost, just buck...one candidate is - http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/3543fa.pdf
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2014-05-12T16:28:32 < dongs> yes but who gives a fuck if it works
2014-05-12T16:28:46 < aadamson> yeah... true enough
2014-05-12T16:28:53 < aadamson> other candidate is - http://www.linear.com/product/LTC3621
2014-05-12T16:28:55 < dongs> i suspect the reason a lot of those low-power ones are buckboost is because they expecte to power something like 3.3V shit off 1S lipo
2014-05-12T16:29:02 < englishman> hrm
2014-05-12T16:29:05 < aadamson> yep exactly
2014-05-12T16:29:06 < englishman> max 2.5v startup voltage?
2014-05-12T16:29:22 < englishman> eh tahts something else
2014-05-12T16:29:52 < englishman> yeah maybe not excluding buckboost off the start is a good idea...
2014-05-12T16:29:56 < dongs> ADP2503
2014-05-12T16:30:05 < englishman> that one says 25uA @3v3 out...
2014-05-12T16:30:21 < englishman> oh, min 2.5v output tho
2014-05-12T16:30:27 < dongs> o
2014-05-12T16:30:29 < dongs> neer mind fail output voltage
2014-05-12T16:30:30 < dongs> yeah
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2014-05-12T16:31:55 < aadamson> well, thanks, I'll keep looking, tps62290 is a fail... I can't believe it wants 3.8ma quiescense... that's freaking amazing...
2014-05-12T16:33:26 < dongs> are you sure you didnt fuck something up
2014-05-12T16:33:36 < dongs> like choosing wrong FB resistors
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2014-05-12T16:36:27 < dongs> uhh
2014-05-12T16:36:28 < dongs> Typ. 15-µA Quiescent Current
2014-05-12T16:36:35 < englishman> when off
2014-05-12T16:36:36 < dongs> @ TPS62290
2014-05-12T16:37:02 < dongs> oh
2014-05-12T16:37:05 < dongs> well tis a part from 2008
2014-05-12T16:37:12 < dongs> back then nobody gave a fuck about power efficiency
2014-05-12T16:37:44 < englishman> it's efficient when spinning up 250mA piezo gyros
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2014-05-12T16:39:25 < dongs> http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/220/220373/
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2014-05-12T16:56:18 < karlp> aadamson: mcp1623/1624/1640 family would all work too
2014-05-12T16:58:28 < aadamson> karlp, aren't those all boost controllers?  I need to bo the there way, high voltage to low (buck converter)
2014-05-12T16:58:44 < aadamson> *OR* maybe and LDO will work... looking at that now
2014-05-12T16:59:08 < karlp> buck/boost, same as dongs suggestsions,
2014-05-12T16:59:17 < karlp> make sno difference to you what the label says surely.
2014-05-12T16:59:25 < aadamson> the 1623 was a boost only I thought/
2014-05-12T16:59:42 < aadamson> yeah 23/24 boost only
2014-05-12T17:00:03 < aadamson> 40 as well
2014-05-12T17:00:18 < karlp> ah yeah, sorry, depends on the input what hte output is
2014-05-12T17:00:20 < karlp> mcp1603?
2014-05-12T17:00:36 < karlp> 1623/24/40 are all the same, just differnet current ratings and pwm/pfm mode anyway
2014-05-12T17:03:11 < aadamson> the 1603 might work
2014-05-12T17:05:37 < aadamson> almost, I need 2.0v :(
2014-05-12T17:06:03 < Steffanx> If it's really low power an LDO could me more efficient not?
2014-05-12T17:06:30 < Steffanx> really low as in microamps.
2014-05-12T17:07:25 < aadamson> Steffanx, on the load side, it's 2-3mA in idle and up to 100mA in run
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2014-05-12T17:07:59 < Steffanx> ah ok. That's not really low
2014-05-12T17:08:54 < karlp> why doesn't the 1603 give you 2v out?
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2014-05-12T17:10:37 < aadamson> ah, but the 1602 is variable
2014-05-12T17:11:24 < karlp> 1603 is both fixed and variable, just different part numbers
2014-05-12T17:11:56 < karlp> not actually sure what the differences are with 1602 vs 1603 :)
2014-05-12T17:12:29 < karlp> oh, smaller package, less spare leads
2014-05-12T17:12:57 < karlp> 1602 gives you the "power good" output, whee
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2014-05-12T17:16:12 < aadamson> is that the *feels good* option :)...
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2014-05-12T20:37:38 < Steffanx> owl-v-_: ...
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2014-05-12T20:40:31 < superbia> holy shit
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2014-05-12T20:44:50 < emeb> huh?
2014-05-12T20:45:57 < emeb> ah. apparently I'm filtering out all those quit/joins
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2014-05-12T20:48:20 < superbia> was only like 200 q/joins
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2014-05-12T20:50:29 < Steffanx> The L1 has a nice RTC with wakeup timer. Works nicely, but anyone knows if you can figure out for how long it slept?
2014-05-12T20:51:06 < Steffanx> Currently, it can wake up from an external interrupt or rtc wakeup interrupt.
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2014-05-12T20:51:35 < effractur> Steffanx: and can you store the old time somewhere
2014-05-12T20:51:40 < effractur> and compare it
2014-05-12T20:51:46 < effractur> in the interupt
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2014-05-12T20:53:13 < Steffanx> No.. or im dont see the register that tells me what the value of the wakeup timer is.
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2014-05-12T20:53:55 < Steffanx> There is RTC wakeup timer register, but it only has the WUT bits, aka Wakeup auto-reload value bits
2014-05-12T20:54:41 < BrainDamage> no, he means before explicitly calling sleep, save somwhere else the current RTC time
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2014-05-12T20:55:34 < effractur> indeed what BrainDamage is stating
2014-05-12T20:55:44 < Steffanx> Sure, but that won't work.
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2014-05-12T20:57:30 < emeb> uh, why not?
2014-05-12T20:57:31 < effractur> why?
2014-05-12T20:57:40 < Steffanx> The RTC clock = 1Hz, RTC wakeup timer clock is (38/16)kHz
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2014-05-12T20:58:29 < effractur> well if you know the time when it went to sleep
2014-05-12T20:58:46 < effractur> and when the wakeup timer triggerd
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2014-05-12T20:59:04 < effractur> you know how long it has slept
2014-05-12T21:00:03 < Steffanx> Yes, but it can go to sleep for 500ms, some other interrupt wakes it up after 100ms.. I don't see a possibility to figure out how long it slept.
2014-05-12T21:00:09 < Steffanx> i only know it didnt take 500ms
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2014-05-12T21:00:55 < effractur> well at the end of a interupt you save the current time
2014-05-12T21:01:04 < effractur> then you know at the next interupt
2014-05-12T21:01:09 < effractur> the time it as slept
2014-05-12T21:01:10 < BrainDamage> he means the resolution of the RTC isn't sufficient
2014-05-12T21:01:13 < effractur> a
2014-05-12T21:01:13 < Steffanx> I do, but only with a resolution of 1 second.
2014-05-12T21:01:34 < Steffanx> maybe i should clock the rtc with the same freq, but... i didnt want to do so.
2014-05-12T21:01:38 < BrainDamage> 1s res vs sub-ms resolution
2014-05-12T21:01:41 < effractur> isee
2014-05-12T21:01:58 < effractur> and the
2014-05-12T21:01:59 < effractur> RTC_GetSubSecond ?
2014-05-12T21:02:06 < Steffanx> the "bigger" L1s have a subsecond register, but this one doesn't.
2014-05-12T21:02:15 < BrainDamage> you could do a shitty thing
2014-05-12T21:02:22 < BrainDamage> and mainain your own subsecond counter
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2014-05-12T21:02:39 < effractur> it should be possible to calculate
2014-05-12T21:02:48 < BrainDamage> using one of the internal counters
2014-05-12T21:02:55 < BrainDamage> and resetting it every s
2014-05-12T21:03:02 < BrainDamage> using the RTC's
2014-05-12T21:03:19 < BrainDamage> so it'd have same long term drift as the RTC's
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2014-05-12T21:05:30 < effractur> and calculating it with the old time + old value of your interupttimer
2014-05-12T21:05:33 < effractur> and the new value
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2014-05-12T21:34:14 < Steffanx> oh, im not the only one with this issue, more posts about it on st forum, but no solution :(
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2014-05-12T22:30:11 < englishman> fix your fucking internet owl-v-_
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2014-05-12T22:31:43 < effractur> indee
2014-05-12T22:31:44 < effractur> d
2014-05-12T22:31:47 < effractur> owl-v-: fix your connection
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2014-05-12T22:51:25 <@Steffanx> oops
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2014-05-12T22:53:56 < Steffanx> lol, cant send him a memo, he is not a registered user.
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2014-05-12T23:07:07 < effractur> lol
2014-05-12T23:07:26 < effractur> send a query when he is online
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2014-05-13T02:35:48 < dongs> lotsa balls
2014-05-13T02:38:44 < dongs> finally nvidia posted useful dxf for TK1 board
2014-05-13T02:38:50 < dongs> now i can make my jewpad screen adapter for it
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2014-05-13T04:07:32 < dongs> eMMC is fucking hilarious, 170 balls and like 10 actaul data pins, and ~20 VCC/GND the rest just wasted space
2014-05-13T04:17:47 < zyp> need large enough package to fit the die and the balls are just for mechanical strength, I guess
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2014-05-13T04:19:34 < ds2> and it is 0.4mm pitched too
2014-05-13T04:21:42 < GargantuaSauce> balls are touching
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2014-05-13T04:28:22 < qyx_> woohoo what did farnell do to their javascriptz
2014-05-13T04:28:30 < qyx_> their web is like 5x faster
2014-05-13T04:29:03 < qyx_> stm32f401 for 3e O_o
2014-05-13T04:30:24 < qyx_> its even cheaper than f1
2014-05-13T04:31:04 < qyx_> for ram >= 64K
2014-05-13T04:34:43 < qyx_> and even lower run-mode power consumption than l151
2014-05-13T04:34:47 < qyx_> for 1?Hz
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2014-05-13T04:40:37 < dongs> omg and its available in 49uFBGA
2014-05-13T04:42:56 < dongs> lol retarded
2014-05-13T04:43:01 < dongs> VCT6 is cheaper than RCT6
2014-05-13T04:43:03 < dongs> F401
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2014-05-13T04:46:49 < dongs> god damn
2014-05-13T04:46:58 < dongs> got something returned from a jap
2014-05-13T04:47:02 < dongs> its completely saturated with smoke
2014-05-13T04:47:07 < dongs> like holy shit
2014-05-13T04:53:24 < dongs> hm, cocks
2014-05-13T04:53:27 < dongs> 500mA max on 5V rail
2014-05-13T04:53:30 < dongs> on tk1
2014-05-13T04:53:56 < dongs> hmm or 400mA @ 12V
2014-05-13T04:55:31 < dongs> i need like 8W for the jewpad adapter.
2014-05-13T05:03:43 < qyx_> isn't that too much?
2014-05-13T05:03:47 < qyx_> just the adapter?
2014-05-13T05:04:16 < dongs> backlight draws like 1.2A @ 5V
2014-05-13T05:04:28 < dongs> looks like they provide 3.3V for panel, up to 400mA so thats OK
2014-05-13T05:04:33 < dongs> so all im gonna need is bl
2014-05-13T05:09:14 < dongs> Has LVDS been tested on Jetson TK1?
2014-05-13T05:09:15 < dongs> LVDS LCDs should function, but have not been tested.
2014-05-13T05:09:15 < dongs> haha
2014-05-13T05:16:53 < dongs> 4.4W(LED, Typ.)
2014-05-13T05:17:08 < dongs> i guess there will be some losses to do boost
2014-05-13T05:30:43 < ds2> does the new tegra have integrated LVDS drivers?
2014-05-13T05:43:59 < dongs> guess so, but they arent tested
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2014-05-13T05:57:13 < dongs> lol it came wiht tegra-ubunto 14.04 lts
2014-05-13T05:57:16 < dongs> so lunix
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2014-05-13T06:04:30 < dongs> hmm
2014-05-13T06:04:35 < dongs> got chinese miniDP samples
2014-05-13T06:04:44 < dongs> quyality looks ok but pinout is totally fucked up form 'standard"
2014-05-13T06:04:45 < dongs> :(
2014-05-13T06:05:00 < zyp> isn't standard also fucked up?
2014-05-13T06:05:07 < zyp> does two fuckups make it decent?
2014-05-13T06:07:45 < dongs> connector is very precise otherwise.
2014-05-13T06:08:03 < dongs> maybe if i can just makea sure i can keep getting these with wierd layout i can still use it
2014-05-13T06:13:30 < dongs> zyp: 4L is out looks like
2014-05-13T06:13:47 < zyp> nice
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2014-05-13T09:15:56 < zyp> heh, so I'm going through the stack of failed boards, test reports led output failure
2014-05-13T09:15:59 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/uBicx.JPG
2014-05-13T09:16:01 < zyp> wonder why
2014-05-13T09:23:43 < jpa-> is this dongs pcba again? :)
2014-05-13T09:23:56 < zyp> well, his koreapals
2014-05-13T09:24:03 < jpa-> yeah
2014-05-13T09:24:26 < zyp> oh well, board works after fixing that
2014-05-13T09:24:59 < zyp> sold out all the working boards, so I had to dig through the stack of failed ones
2014-05-13T09:25:28 < zyp> found four apparently working ones though, probably just false negatives during previous testing
2014-05-13T09:26:37 < zyp> so that leaves me with 23 boards that needs the usb connector resoldered and one board with the mcu rotated wrong way around
2014-05-13T09:27:37 < jpa-> how come there is glue in that process? smd parts of both sides of board or something?
2014-05-13T09:27:57 < dongs> zyp: ok, you wanna ship that shit to those assholes
2014-05-13T09:27:58 < dongs> ill get them done
2014-05-13T09:28:14 < zyp> jpa-, no glue
2014-05-13T09:28:27 < zyp> I guess it's just flux residue or something
2014-05-13T09:28:30 < jpa-> oh
2014-05-13T09:28:45 < zyp> dongs, yeah, that was the plan
2014-05-13T09:28:53 < dongs> ok.
2014-05-13T09:29:02 < zyp> I guess just same korea addr as I sent parts to?
2014-05-13T09:29:27 < dongs> the one wiht lots of dongs in it
2014-05-13T09:29:29 < dongs> i think so
2014-05-13T09:29:55 < dongs> TTM one
2014-05-13T09:29:59 < zyp> yeah
2014-05-13T09:48:39 < dongs> well that went surprisingly well. made 10 kits of lcd+control board for jp shipping only, all 10 gone in an hour
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2014-05-13T09:58:03 < dongs> ATMEGA1284P-MU   ATM  13+  4K  US3.25  STK
2014-05-13T09:58:05 < dongs> such rip
2014-05-13T09:58:17 < dongs> AP1117-SERIES  DIOBES  13-14+  MOQ-20K  US0.0333  STK
2014-05-13T09:58:20 < dongs> cant go wrong with this tho
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2014-05-13T10:00:40 < dongs> wonder if diobes is less legit than diodes
2014-05-13T10:01:09 < qyx_> thats like kapton and koptan tape
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2014-05-13T10:43:14 < dongs> STM32F100RBT ST  13+  1.8K US2.35   STK
2014-05-13T10:43:14 < dongs> STM32F101RBT6  ST  13+  2880  US1.78  STK  STM
2014-05-13T10:43:15 < dongs> hm
2014-05-13T10:43:19 < dongs> thesea are pretty shit prices
2014-05-13T10:43:54 < dongs> wth is F101
2014-05-13T10:44:21 < dongs> lol 36MHz
2014-05-13T10:44:23 < dongs> fucking useless
2014-05-13T10:44:37 < ds2> F101 is M3 or M0?
2014-05-13T10:44:40 < dongs> M3
2014-05-13T10:44:59 < ds2> didn't know anyone did 36Mhz M3
2014-05-13T10:45:14 < dongs> well, its not like 72MHz F103 cant run at 36mhz..
2014-05-13T10:45:49 < ds2> I assume that 36MHz is the top speed rating
2014-05-13T10:46:08 < dongs> well, you could probly overclock it just like you can F103 to ~128mhz
2014-05-13T10:46:21 < dongs> assuming PLL multiuplier goes high enough
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2014-05-13T11:25:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/viiB0Oq.jpg
2014-05-13T11:25:24 < dongs> "hobbyist electronics" these days
2014-05-13T11:25:32 < dongs> if it takes 8 hours to blink a 78seg wiht arduino...
2014-05-13T11:26:22 < effractur> lol
2014-05-13T11:28:11 < effractur> just use a 4000 or 7400 series
2014-05-13T11:28:14 < effractur> driver
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2014-05-13T13:18:46 < Miek> probably includes making the moulds for that case
2014-05-13T13:20:53 < Laurenceb__> http://www.thedose.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/5929AD4D-1087-4885-8DB6-ABAF2D5127FB9.jpg
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2014-05-13T17:14:45 < kuldeepdhaka> http://pastebin.com/5szQsFHX    STM32 I2C+DMA. when i read 1byte from slave it works ok (TC as expected). but trying to perform a 0-byte read   (in-order to detect if slave connected or not) ,  i2c irq flag is set with ARLO flag (Arbiteration lost) instead of TC. using STM32F072.
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2014-05-13T17:25:03 < gxti> does it work without DMA? because a 0-byte DMA is quite silly
2014-05-13T17:28:45 < kuldeepdhaka> gxti, same behaviour without DMA (I2C_CR1_RXDMAEN bit reset)
2014-05-13T17:29:55 < kuldeepdhaka> 6 NACK , 31 ARLO out of 37 isr
2014-05-13T17:30:11 < dongs> dp you think ST would care about a F103 that fails flash verification @ 0x4000
2014-05-13T17:30:21 < dongs> i mean its like 1st chip in thousands that I got like that
2014-05-13T17:30:47 < dongs> its not like they have any way to test it once its in package right?
2014-05-13T17:31:05 < gxti> wat
2014-05-13T17:31:18 < dongs> well, thats the idea
2014-05-13T17:31:23 < dongs> but this one is broken!
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2014-05-13T17:33:50 < dongs> i only buy from legitimate distributors, SIR
2014-05-13T17:34:25 < dongs> oh motherfucker
2014-05-13T17:34:30 < dongs> anick, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2014-05-13T17:34:50 < Steffanx> dongs you know that doesnt work when you dont rea''y do it?
2014-05-13T17:34:55 < Steffanx> *really
2014-05-13T17:35:07 < dongs> Steffanx: piece of shit keeps changing nick
2014-05-13T17:35:16 < Steffanx> it's madist yes
2014-05-13T17:35:16 < dongs> how am i supposed to protect myself from that kinda idiocy
2014-05-13T17:35:21 < dongs> Steffanx: i know that now
2014-05-13T17:35:45 < gxti> loldongs
2014-05-13T17:35:56 < Steffanx> Do you actually ignor when you say that or is it just a message?
2014-05-13T17:36:00 < gxti> jimmies status = rustled
2014-05-13T17:36:00 < Laurenceb__> trolls trollin trolls
2014-05-13T17:36:40 < Steffanx> yes, you stopped doing that, too busy with work Laurenceb__ ?
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2014-05-13T17:37:38 < Laurenceb__>  yup
2014-05-13T17:38:18 < Steffanx> centrifuge ready yet or is that hobby bobbying?
2014-05-13T17:38:25 < Laurenceb__> hobby stuff
2014-05-13T17:38:32 < Laurenceb__> work is serious business
2014-05-13T17:38:46 < Laurenceb__> i have children to molest
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2014-05-13T17:39:14 < Steffanx> They stopped using monkeys?
2014-05-13T17:39:33 < Laurenceb__> yup
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2014-05-13T17:42:22 < owl-v-> i'm "Back like a Phoenix"
2014-05-13T17:43:23 < owl-v-> lol the song keeps looping in my head
2014-05-13T17:44:09 < dongs> you must be gay
2014-05-13T17:44:31 < Laurenceb__> trolls trollin trolls
2014-05-13T17:44:44 < gxti> are you drunk dongs? i've heard 8 year olds with better insults
2014-05-13T17:45:17 < Steffanx> gxti, yankees are the ones with the insults..
2014-05-13T17:45:45 < Steffanx> In the one game i play online it's always the yankees raging.
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2014-05-13T17:46:11 < gxti> everyone rages Steffanx. but russians especially.
2014-05-13T17:47:52 < Steffanx> meh, i fail. I forgot the add some mask stop to this ground pad ....
2014-05-13T17:48:19 < Steffanx> how can i fail to do that.
2014-05-13T17:48:31 < dongs> waht retarded pcb cad doesnt clear ground pad of mask
2014-05-13T17:48:35 < dongs> maybe eagle???
2014-05-13T17:49:02 < Steffanx> a failing pcb designer
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2014-05-13T18:09:02 < kuldeepdhaka> is the NBYTES in I2C_CR2  (stm32f072) decremented by peripheral as they are send?  (afai experienced, NBYTES isnt decremented)
2014-05-13T18:09:54 < kuldeepdhaka> (or received)
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2014-05-13T18:41:59 < dongs> http://diodes.com/datasheets/ds31737.pdf almost 31337
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2014-05-13T19:38:36 < Laurenceb__> vitava.si/home/images/documents/eng/know-how/poisk_public_eng.pps
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2014-05-13T20:02:43 < Laurenceb__> attn ruskies
2014-05-13T20:02:44 < Laurenceb__> http://gokh.net/model.html
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2014-05-13T22:10:43 < Fleck> Laurenceb__: are you russian?
2014-05-13T22:14:46 < Steffanx> He has a russian internet girlfriend.
2014-05-13T22:24:20 < Fleck> :D
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2014-05-13T23:46:25 < Xata> hi
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2014-05-14T01:33:20 < dongs> whats innovating
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2014-05-14T01:44:54 < gxti> hats for dogs
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2014-05-14T01:50:54 < Viper168_> I'm working on mustaches for cats
2014-05-14T01:51:16 < Viper168_> that's not even a joke either
2014-05-14T01:51:34 < Viper168_> I'm literally going to modify one of these mustaches to fit my cat
2014-05-14T01:51:54 < Viper168_> and have been planning it for months
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2014-05-14T03:46:31 < ds2> anyone ever made one of those goose neck things for a mic?
2014-05-14T03:50:11 < dongs> "made"?
2014-05-14T03:50:20 < dongs> tha doesnt sdound like something I wanna "make
2014-05-14T03:54:11 < ds2> when it is not available off the shelf, it has to be made
2014-05-14T03:54:23 < ds2> trying to find a suitable material to form it
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2014-05-14T04:50:24 < GargantuaSauce> that sounds like a serious pain in the ass
2014-05-14T04:50:47 < GargantuaSauce> it's a single thin strip of steel stamped and wound into a coil i think
2014-05-14T04:50:53 < GargantuaSauce> not easy to diy
2014-05-14T04:57:37 < emeb> what - like this? http://www.ebay.com/bhp/flexible-mic-stand
2014-05-14T04:57:52 < emeb> for $7 I don't think it's worth farting around with DIY.
2014-05-14T05:02:35 < ds2> similar idea but it won't work as-is
2014-05-14T05:02:49 < ds2> trying something with additional sensors on the end
2014-05-14T05:02:53 < ds2> hence the need to DIY
2014-05-14T05:03:15 < ds2> need audio (shielded), power, and 2 digital lines + gnd
2014-05-14T05:07:59 < GargantuaSauce> that currogated metal conduit/wire shielding used for mains sometimes is similar
2014-05-14T05:14:14 < GargantuaSauce> or you could, you know, buy one of those and run your own cabling through ti
2014-05-14T05:16:09 < gnomad>  you can purchase raw goosneck material (hollow flexible tube) for pretty cheap
2014-05-14T05:18:46 < ds2> where? what's the keyword? "gooseneck"?
2014-05-14T05:20:04 < gnomad> yup
2014-05-14T05:20:12 < ds2> let me try digikey
2014-05-14T05:20:27 < gnomad> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Atlas-GN-19E-Gooseneck-flexible-19-black-/331179084792?pt=US_Stands_Mounts_Holders&hash=item4d1bcfcbf8
2014-05-14T05:20:40 < gnomad> that's even got threaded fittings
2014-05-14T05:21:39 < ds2> that is huge
2014-05-14T05:21:47 < dongs> well shit bro
2014-05-14T05:21:51 < dongs> we aint google
2014-05-14T05:21:52 < gnomad> you can get them smaller
2014-05-14T05:21:54 < dongs> you want less huge
2014-05-14T05:21:56 < ds2> but at least I got something to look for
2014-05-14T05:21:58 < dongs> search for less huge :)
2014-05-14T05:22:24 < ds2> gooseneck applies to the mics on a headset mounts too right?
2014-05-14T05:23:50 < gnomad> heck, you could probably just use flexible copper tubing
2014-05-14T05:24:01 < gnomad> plumbing supply at any hardware store
2014-05-14T05:24:13 < dongs> and wrap it in pvc or maybe shrinkwrap
2014-05-14T05:24:20 < dongs> duno how "flexible" its gonna be after that
2014-05-14T05:24:29 < dongs> shrink wrap might work if its soft
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2014-05-14T05:25:39 < ds2> I suspect I am not asking it right... not coming up with suitable stuff
2014-05-14T05:26:10 < ds2> let me find a picture
2014-05-14T05:27:34 < ds2> I am talking about the thing connecting to the mic here: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12737807
2014-05-14T05:27:45 < ds2> is that still called a gooseneck
2014-05-14T05:28:15 < dongs> no
2014-05-14T05:28:22 < dongs> that doesnt bend does it?
2014-05-14T05:28:25 < dongs> its just an arm?
2014-05-14T05:28:48 < ds2> it doesn't? the ones I have seen does bend
2014-05-14T05:30:38 < dongs> i duno , not for $6.99 i would imagine
2014-05-14T05:30:46 < dongs> those are just adjustable up/down
2014-05-14T05:30:54 < dongs> so you can swivel it out of the way when youre not talking
2014-05-14T05:30:59 < dongs> but definitely not bendable
2014-05-14T05:31:35 < GargantuaSauce> it might be bendable but if so it's just a stiff wire in a plastic tube
2014-05-14T05:32:28 < ds2> so the short story is - gooseneck is the wrong term for that piece?
2014-05-14T05:33:43 < GargantuaSauce> just use a pair of solid 16 gauge wires or something for the power and a chunk of surgical tubing or something
2014-05-14T05:33:52 < GargantuaSauce> won't be awesome but will probably do
2014-05-14T05:34:05 < ds2> 16 copper or galv?
2014-05-14T05:34:30 < ds2> I tried an experiment with something like 24G galv. and it don't work well (sags) which is why I am asking all sorts of questions
2014-05-14T05:34:43 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it'd have to be much thicker than that, and copper probably
2014-05-14T05:35:01 < gxti> i don't really understand what you're expecting to find
2014-05-14T05:35:16 < GargantuaSauce> maybe 18-22 would do
2014-05-14T05:35:18 < ds2> Ooooh cool... sounds like I can get some bare bus wire at the home improvement store
2014-05-14T05:35:22 < ds2> thanks
2014-05-14T05:36:57 < ds2> gxti: I am doing something like that but with different electronics... so I am looking for mechanical support pieces but I don't know the name to look for
2014-05-14T05:38:07 < gnomad> It never hurts to just walk the isles of your local big-box hardware store.
2014-05-14T05:39:50 < ds2> true
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2014-05-14T08:50:52 < dongs> where are pro chat
2014-05-14T08:51:44 < jpa-> dead
2014-05-14T09:05:47 < dongs> no
2014-05-14T09:06:35 < englishman> please go back to sausage chats
2014-05-14T09:06:39 < englishman> i really enjoyed those
2014-05-14T09:09:30 < dongs> sous vide chats
2014-05-14T09:21:30 < emeb_mac> ugh. cooking with barely warm water.
2014-05-14T09:22:17 < ds2> just put water outside
2014-05-14T09:22:21 < ds2> instant hotwater :D
2014-05-14T09:22:34 < ds2> aqua caliente
2014-05-14T09:30:53 < emeb_mac> sun tea!
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2014-05-14T10:48:10 < dongs> im innovating the most idiotic board
2014-05-14T10:48:15 < dongs> 400 hall sensors on it
2014-05-14T10:48:24 < dongs> its about the s ize of xbox
2014-05-14T10:49:08 < ds2> what does it do?
2014-05-14T10:49:15 < jpa-> it senses
2014-05-14T10:50:29 < dongs> it senses EXTREMELY HARD
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2014-05-14T11:11:16 < dongs> which 74 seires was the shit that can be driven with 3.3V I/O while powered byt 5V
2014-05-14T11:11:27 < dongs> HC seems to need 0.8VCC or whatever for high
2014-05-14T11:11:35 < qyx_> hct?
2014-05-14T11:12:06 < dongs> lol all nojn stock wtf
2014-05-14T11:12:55 < qyx_> or maybe not
2014-05-14T11:13:18 < qyx_> ah yes
2014-05-14T11:13:29 < qyx_> h-level input min 2V
2014-05-14T11:13:34 < qyx_> for vcc=4.5-5.5
2014-05-14T11:13:57 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74hct138.pdf
2014-05-14T11:13:58 < dongs> oh not bad
2014-05-14T11:14:00 < dongs> yea that'll work
2014-05-14T11:14:33 < qyx_> arent io expanders even cheaper?
2014-05-14T11:14:44 < dongs> not for this
2014-05-14T11:14:47 < qyx_> you can connect 8 or so to one i2c/spi bus
2014-05-14T11:14:55 < qyx_> which gives you 128 io
2014-05-14T11:15:20 < dongs> this is to drive 8 fets for row scanning
2014-05-14T11:15:33 < dongs> and ill use 1:16 multiplexer for columns
2014-05-14T11:15:36 < dongs> 2 of them.
2014-05-14T11:16:13 < qyx_> you could use expanders and connect the shole thing to only one bus :P
2014-05-14T11:16:25 < dongs> analog????
2014-05-14T11:17:08 < qyx_> wat
2014-05-14T11:17:14 < qyx_> are those linear halls?
2014-05-14T11:17:15 < dongs> its a grid of hall sensors
2014-05-14T11:17:16 < dongs> yes
2014-05-14T11:17:17 < dongs> lol
2014-05-14T11:17:27 < qyx_> ok.
2014-05-14T11:17:48 < dongs> routing will be...................... ugly.
2014-05-14T11:18:24 < qyx_> so 1:16 muxes will be analog?
2014-05-14T11:18:28 < dongs> ya
2014-05-14T11:18:32 < qyx_> ok
2014-05-14T11:18:36 < qyx_> seems reasonable
2014-05-14T11:19:19 < jpa-> a huge grid of magnetometers might be fun
2014-05-14T11:20:40 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/FSTU32160MTDX/FSTU32160MTDXTR-ND/1056289
2014-05-14T11:20:43 < dongs> > 56tsop
2014-05-14T11:20:47 < dongs> (not using this, just laughing at pic
2014-05-14T11:21:32 < dongs> i found something real cheap
2014-05-14T11:22:28 < dongs> 4067 or someshit
2014-05-14T11:23:15 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CD74HC4067M96/296-29408-2-ND/1507236
2014-05-14T11:23:17 < dongs> thats the ticket
2014-05-14T11:26:14 < dongs> lol that TI datasheet is from 1984
2014-05-14T11:30:38 < qyx_> h input min 4.2
2014-05-14T11:30:54 < dongs> ah wrong link i meant hct
2014-05-14T11:31:00 < dongs> tehres asme shit in hct,
2014-05-14T11:31:07 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CD74HCT4067M/296-23078-ND/1507928
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2014-05-14T11:31:44 < dongs> 160ohm resistance i wonder if that matters
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2014-05-14T11:41:44 < ds2> HC = CMOS thresholds
2014-05-14T11:41:47 < ds2> HCT = TTL thresholds
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2014-05-14T11:47:23 < edmo> Greetings, when initialising the exception vectors on an M0 part, is the bare minimum I need to initialise the first 15 exception vectors, or can I initialise just the first 4 (sp, reset, nmi, hardfault) and leave the mostly reserved remaining 11 (the 3 unreserved being related to supervisor stuff)?
2014-05-14T11:51:37 < dongs> define "initializing"
2014-05-14T11:51:44 < dongs> dont you just make a struct with like goto self
2014-05-14T11:51:46 < dongs> for unused shit
2014-05-14T11:51:52 < dongs> not so much effort
2014-05-14T11:52:03 < dongs> you can stick a breakpoint tehre to see if it hits it
2014-05-14T11:52:09 < dongs> at powerup or sometrhing
2014-05-14T11:52:13 < dongs> if not, then you dont need it :)
2014-05-14T11:52:40 < jpa-> edmo: the bare minimum you need is SP and reset, if you are happy to crash totally on hardfault
2014-05-14T11:52:41 < edmo> yeah, I have no debug capability at the moment
2014-05-14T11:52:57 < dongs> horrible
2014-05-14T11:52:57 < edmo> jpa-, ok thanks
2014-05-14T11:53:00 < edmo> that makes sense
2014-05-14T11:53:01 < dongs> back2avr
2014-05-14T11:53:30 < jpa-> some systems put the actual vector table in RAM, so they boot with just SP & reset vectors
2014-05-14T11:54:50 < edmo> dongs, which bit is horrible? my lack of debug?
2014-05-14T11:55:20 < jpa-> yes
2014-05-14T11:55:31 < edmo> indeed
2014-05-14T11:55:34 < edmo> I will fix that soon
2014-05-14T11:55:59 < edmo> I've just been given one of the lpc810 parts and have put it on a breadboard and rummaged for an ftdi cable to flash it
2014-05-14T11:56:43 < edmo> i've coffee'd my way through the armv6-m manual and the lpc datasheet and am going to try and get a minimal blinky
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2014-05-14T12:01:00 < edmo> anyway, thanks very much for your help jpa-
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2014-05-14T12:22:00 < qyx_> lpc801? is it that dip8?
2014-05-14T12:34:53 < effractur> y
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2014-05-14T12:39:50 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/13/apple_beats_and_fools_with_money/
2014-05-14T12:39:58 < Laurenceb__> The musical genre to which Dr Dre adheres is characterised by idiomatic speech punctuated by obscenities and visceral quantities of low frequencies
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2014-05-14T15:02:17 < dongs> lol dip 8
2014-05-14T15:02:21 < dongs> such waste
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2014-05-14T15:11:27 < karlp> tssop20 is smaller
2014-05-14T15:12:59 < karlp> china innovating is awesome.
2014-05-14T15:13:23 < karlp> two or three virtually identical shit designs from 300 sellers.  No differentiation at all.
2014-05-14T15:13:59 < karlp> I mean, why on earth would you put a usb male here? http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-CH341A-CH341-24-25-programmer-USB-to-TTL-Motherboard-brush-BIOS-router/1679877606.html
2014-05-14T15:14:03 < karlp> but they _all_ do that
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2014-05-14T15:16:41 < dongs> wtf ios that
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2014-05-14T15:28:58 < Tectu> dongs <3
2014-05-14T15:30:25 < karlp> dongs: not what I wanted anyway, but everyone seems to build me a helpful eeprom programmer, rather than just a nice pin header for the usb-spi,usb-i2c,usb2-EPP/MEM/8bit data bus thing that the chip allows
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2014-05-14T15:39:41 < dongs> that shitty karlp board looks like it has usbpic or something on it
2014-05-14T15:40:07 < aadamson> karlp, thanks for the comments the other day, I resolved my issue... I made a braindead mistake and had routed the Feedback pin/trace under the inductor
2014-05-14T15:40:25 < aadamson> this put the vd trace next to the switched output trace as well.
2014-05-14T15:40:40 < aadamson> remedy for now was to cut that trace and move the VD components... once I did that problem fixed
2014-05-14T15:41:49 < dongs> wat was it, giant ripple?
2014-05-14T15:42:26 < Tectu__> talking about Hardware RNGs based on Diode (Junction) noise...  What's the difference between taking the noise and directly put it onto an A/D converter or clipping the noise (get a digital 1/0 value) and then using shift registers
2014-05-14T15:42:46 < jpa-> a/d converters are slower and cost more
2014-05-14T15:42:53 < Tectu__> Thank you
2014-05-14T15:43:02 < aadamson> yeah dongs basically the EMF from the inductor was on the FB trace and it cause the switches to stay in forced PWM mode constantly
2014-05-14T15:43:26 < aadamson> caused the switcher... sheesh, can't type this morning
2014-05-14T15:43:35 < dongs> leave all adc pins on stm32 open
2014-05-14T15:43:36 < dongs> and read them
2014-05-14T15:43:38 < dongs> instant rng
2014-05-14T15:43:51 < Tectu__> my stm32 has a built-in RNG anyway
2014-05-14T15:43:55 < Tectu__> I guess all the F3 and F4 do
2014-05-14T15:44:01 < Tectu__> F2 and F4*
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2014-05-14T15:57:20 < qyx_> i don't think all do
2014-05-14T15:57:58 < qyx_> anyway, nsa-approved rng = bad rng
2014-05-14T16:01:43 < dongs> hm
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2014-05-14T16:19:39 < karlp> dongs: that ugly board had a ch341 on it, which is a usb-X chip, like some of the ftdi parts, but chinese undocumented awesomesauce
2014-05-14T16:21:12 < dongs> ahh one of those
2014-05-14T16:21:24 < dongs> i remember tehre's a CHxxx soemthing usb>serial thing too
2014-05-14T16:21:26 < dongs> ftdi-ish
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2014-05-14T16:44:25 < karlp> dongs: yeah, ch341 does usb2many, ch340 is usb2serial
2014-05-14T16:44:39 < karlp> very poorly documented though :)
2014-05-14T16:45:48 < zyp> I remember reverse-engineering something using ch341 once
2014-05-14T16:47:40 < karlp> happen to have the ch341 datasheet part b lying around? the one with the usb control interface commands?
2014-05-14T16:49:24 < dongs> why do you think he was reverse enginering it
2014-05-14T16:51:26 < zyp> I weren't reverse enginerring the chip, I was reverse engineering the application using it
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2014-05-14T16:57:50 < dongs> griphus812 couldnt handle the awesome
2014-05-14T17:00:18 < dongs> oh hey
2014-05-14T17:00:24 < dongs> i CAN edit pins on schematic part
2014-05-14T17:00:32 < dongs> i wonder if that also udpates them in component lib tho
2014-05-14T17:00:50 < dongs> right click_>properties->edit pins button on bototm left
2014-05-14T17:01:21 < zyp> hardcore
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2014-05-14T17:26:47 < dongs> hm
2014-05-14T17:26:52 < dongs> trying to figure out how to use sheet block
2014-05-14T17:29:17 < Claude> dongs, sheet block is easy. from the drop down menu something like "create symbol from sheet" (sorry no altium at the moment)
2014-05-14T17:29:27 < dongs> yeah, figured. and hten sheet entry
2014-05-14T17:29:29 < Claude> ahh "sheet actions"
2014-05-14T17:29:31 < dongs> to make the edge pad thing
2014-05-14T17:29:39 < Claude> yeah
2014-05-14T17:29:47 < dongs> im gonna use these a lot on this 400hall board ;d
2014-05-14T17:30:09 < Claude> also try the harness thing , quite cool but you have to read up not a intutive as it should be :/
2014-05-14T17:30:19 < gxti> you can even just tell it to instantiate the sheet multiple times in place although it's really picky
2014-05-14T17:30:50 < Claude> oh btw anyone did something with this "pcb snippet" stuff allready?
2014-05-14T17:31:01 < dongs> ive seen it, thats about it :)
2014-05-14T17:31:10 < Claude> ah okay me too :)
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2014-05-14T17:36:21 < dongs> hm its not auto-naming nets coming out of sheetblock
2014-05-14T17:37:19 < gxti> in project options there's some settings you can dick with for what is allowed to name a net
2014-05-14T17:38:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/WA7OL9U.png i'd expect rowX_en shit to be labeled
2014-05-14T17:39:04 < gxti> well it can't just call it ROW1_EN because you might have 8 copies of that sheet
2014-05-14T17:39:21 < gxti> but there's probably a way to make it named ROW1_EN_HB1 or something
2014-05-14T17:39:25 < dongs> i will have 10 copies of that sheet
2014-05-14T17:39:57 < dongs> i have another multisheet schematic frrom wokrshit and nets are labeled there
2014-05-14T17:40:04 < Claude> dongs, the autoincrement stuff is somehow picky. e.g. row_en_1 would afaik autoincrement , row_1_en not
2014-05-14T17:40:06 < dongs> without explicit labeling
2014-05-14T17:40:09 < gxti> like i said, look at project options
2014-05-14T17:40:18 < dongs> Claude: not expecting autoincrement
2014-05-14T17:40:20 < gxti> you probably have to check a box to let sheet entries name nets
2014-05-14T17:40:24 < dongs> tho, i could probably bus it
2014-05-14T17:40:31 < dongs> would lok cleaner
2014-05-14T17:41:18 < dongs> hmm
2014-05-14T17:41:22 < dongs> allow sheet entries to name nets
2014-05-14T17:41:25 < dongs> dafuq
2014-05-14T17:41:29 < dongs> its already checke dtho
2014-05-14T17:41:44 < Claude> ah sorry missunderstood. anyhow seems like altium does a lot with the last character of the net name. e.g. for differential stuff you have to put an P or N at the end of the net name to work
2014-05-14T17:43:06 < dongs> yep, knew that.
2014-05-14T17:43:11 < dongs> does it allow nested hierarchy?
2014-05-14T17:43:20 < gxti> of course.
2014-05-14T17:43:29 < dongs> cuz i think waht im doing is going to need a sheetblock inside a sheetblock inside a sheetblock
2014-05-14T17:43:33 < dongs> hallception
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2014-05-14T17:46:38 < dongs> hm, bus it is. so many wires otherwise
2014-05-14T18:03:38 < dongs> hmm
2014-05-14T18:03:54 < dongs> not sure how to make a sheet-local net
2014-05-14T18:04:56 < gxti> nets are always sheet-local unless you configure it differently in project options
2014-05-14T18:05:53 < dongs> yeah? but how do I connect it from sheet entry then
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2014-05-14T18:06:18 < gxti> with a port thingy, whatever it's called
2014-05-14T18:06:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ZOuvNOY.png i have this (dunno how sane / will naming shit like this work or not etc)
2014-05-14T18:07:07 < dongs> expecting over 9000 duplicate net names
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2014-05-14T18:07:32 < gxti> start by reannotating
2014-05-14T18:07:39 < gxti> so your sheet instances actually have unique names
2014-05-14T18:07:58 < gxti> then recompile (press 'c c')
2014-05-14T18:08:34 < dongs> hmm reannoate didnt actually rename blocks
2014-05-14T18:08:54 < gxti> it might not. you can delete all but one, call it HB1, then shift-drag
2014-05-14T18:09:36 < dongs> i dont think i was supposed to call HB?
2014-05-14T18:09:38 < dongs> it didnt seem to auto-do it
2014-05-14T18:10:09 < gxti> i seem to remember auto-annotate doesn't do sheet symbols. no idea why.
2014-05-14T18:10:31 < gxti> but shift-drag autoincrementing the number still wroks
2014-05-14T18:11:42 < dongs> ok now im getting duplicate net shits
2014-05-14T18:11:48 < dongs> so if i call something row[0..7] in a sheet
2014-05-14T18:11:58 < dongs> i shouldnt call other shit same when im connecting to it, right?
2014-05-14T18:14:20 < dongs> hmm
2014-05-14T18:14:34 < gxti> i already forgot how the bus crap works so no help there
2014-05-14T18:14:43 < dongs> ya i thikn errors give enough stuff
2014-05-14T18:15:46 < dongs> yess
2014-05-14T18:15:54 < dongs> its COL[0..2]_HB1 etc
2014-05-14T18:15:57 < dongs> for the nets coming out of the block
2014-05-14T18:16:29 < gxti> i usually turn off dupe net warning, it's useless
2014-05-14T18:16:37 < gxti> higher sheet takes precedence
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2014-05-14T18:21:06 < dongs> hmm i dont think i can call those things H4C1 etc if i want them to match net names
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2014-05-14T18:21:34 < dongs> its probly l ike COL1_HB5
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2014-05-14T18:21:44 < gxti> like i said, you can name them whatever you want if you just turn off the warning
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2014-05-14T18:30:05 < dongs> hm
2014-05-14T18:30:18 < dongs> stupid fucking net names
2014-05-14T18:32:28 < dongs> <spam> [Error]hallmodule.SchDocCompilerNet COL[0..2] contains multiple Output Sheet Entrys (Sheet Entry HB2_HM2-COL[0..2](Output),Sheet Entry HB3_HM2-COL[0..2](Output),Sheet Entry HB4_HM2-COL[0..2](Output),Sheet Entry HB5_HM2-COL[0..2](Output))12:31:39 amstan 5/15/20146
2014-05-14T18:32:51 < dongs> k bedtime
2014-05-14T18:33:02 < Steffanx> sleep well
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2014-05-14T20:17:02 < emeb> lol: https://twitter.com/Independent/status/466587246288973824/photo/1
2014-05-14T20:17:43 < zyp> bearded men in curtains
2014-05-14T20:19:27 < Steffanx> emeb does twitter?
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2014-05-14T20:20:53 < emeb> Steffanx: sometimes. Does this make me shallow?
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2014-05-14T20:21:24 < Steffanx> I'm just surprised, a bit.
2014-05-14T20:21:45  * emeb is happy to still have some surprises left. :P
2014-05-14T20:22:44 < Steffanx> :)
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2014-05-15T02:38:31  * ds2 *heart* metcal
2014-05-15T02:38:55 < ds2> no issues soldering #12 wire onto a copper ground plane!
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2014-05-15T02:46:30 < emeb> takes a lot of watts
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2014-05-15T03:09:52 < gnomad> easy soldering of large components is not accomplished through watts, but rather the thermal capacity of your iron.
2014-05-15T03:15:38 < upgrdman> what is "thermal capacity" ? how close the heating element is to the tip surface?
2014-05-15T03:23:47 < BrainDamage> no, it's volume*material property
2014-05-15T03:24:32 < BrainDamage> and the eq that turns out of it, is temperature = energy/thermalcapacity
2014-05-15T03:24:46 < BrainDamage> much like electrical capacity is V=Q/C
2014-05-15T03:25:32 < BrainDamage> in order to have high termal capacity so that even if you lose some energy your temp changes little, you need a lot of material ( large tip ) and/or very dense material
2014-05-15T03:26:43 < BrainDamage> it's why large tips for same wattage work better to solder large objects because the energy bled won't change a lot the temp
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2014-05-15T03:37:12 < dongs> zyp uyour 4l shit is here. so kawaii
2014-05-15T03:38:02 < dongs> so many balls wow
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2014-05-15T06:05:28 < dongs> ugh i really need to get a proper 5V supply for my usb hub
2014-05-15T06:05:33 < dongs> so i can power all 12 things pluggd into it
2014-05-15T06:05:39 < dongs> preferably with a nice V/A meter
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2014-05-15T06:28:49 < zyp> dongs, cool
2014-05-15T06:29:07 < dongs> need something that looks flashy
2014-05-15T06:33:04 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/360911135091 i guess this is probably garbage
2014-05-15T06:33:35 < dongs> HONGSHENG
2014-05-15T06:34:39 < zyp> keypad looks uncomfortable
2014-05-15T06:34:54 < dongs> i would only use it once
2014-05-15T06:34:55 < dongs> to set 5V
2014-05-15T06:35:14 < dongs> keypad looks like it uses the same chinese font that you see in all trashy china pcbs
2014-05-15T06:35:19 < dongs> like times new roman or something chinese version
2014-05-15T06:35:26 < zyp> why even get something adjustable if you only want 5V?
2014-05-15T06:35:46 < dongs> i would like  to have a mA-capable current meter
2014-05-15T06:36:28 < zyp> then get that separately?
2014-05-15T06:36:34 < dongs> like where
2014-05-15T06:37:59 < dongs> i want a cute one
2014-05-15T06:38:33 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/141265182493 this looks so trashy :|
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2014-05-15T06:52:01 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/181088466841 HAAH
2014-05-15T06:54:08 < GargantuaSauce> wonder what that 500A shunt looks lik
2014-05-15T06:54:15 < zyp> there's a pic of it
2014-05-15T06:54:28 < GargantuaSauce> oh missed it...yeah chunky
2014-05-15T06:54:47 < zyp> connection terminals looks small
2014-05-15T06:54:54 < dongs> where's teh shunt? i dont se it
2014-05-15T06:55:00 < zyp> fifth pic
2014-05-15T06:55:03 < dongs> oh
2014-05-15T06:55:06 < dongs> didnt notoice you could scroll
2014-05-15T06:55:07 < dongs> stupid ebay
2014-05-15T06:55:27 < zyp> I didn't have to scroll
2014-05-15T06:55:35 < englishman> ammeter power supply must be completely isolated
2014-05-15T06:55:57 < englishman> o theres another connection
2014-05-15T06:56:00 < englishman> dont mind me
2014-05-15T06:56:45 < dongs> all the ones i saw have both way sto hookup
2014-05-15T06:56:50 < dongs> isolated or in circuit
2014-05-15T07:00:27 < dongs> looks like the 5digit china special is the only choice
2014-05-15T07:00:30 < dongs> unless im looking for wrong shit
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2014-05-15T07:05:00 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171258623046 hm this looks legit
2014-05-15T07:05:08 < dongs> 0.1mA resolution below 1A, 1mA above
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2014-05-15T07:05:58 < zyp> blue looks annoying
2014-05-15T07:06:42 < dongs> wow that guys store ONLY SELLS AMPMETERS
2014-05-15T07:07:08 < dongs> usually you click on some chink store
2014-05-15T07:07:15 < GargantuaSauce> i think you need an analog meter too
2014-05-15T07:07:18 < dongs> and they're selling everything from underwear to bomb making shit
2014-05-15T07:07:25 < GargantuaSauce> cause seeing the needle jump when you plug something in is way cooler
2014-05-15T07:07:50 < dongs> no way
2014-05-15T07:07:53 < dongs> analog shit sucks
2014-05-15T07:08:45 < GargantuaSauce> in that case you should forego the dumb led display and just use an amplifier and dac and make a web interface!
2014-05-15T07:09:01 < dongs> and serve it off raspberry pi?
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2014-05-15T07:09:30 < GargantuaSauce> f103 would do just fine i think?
2014-05-15T07:10:44 < zyp> by the way, how much does the price difference between 48-pin and 64-pin parts tend to be?
2014-05-15T07:10:52 < zyp> stm32 obviously
2014-05-15T07:11:08 < GargantuaSauce> i believe it's less than the sram/flash increments
2014-05-15T07:11:16 < dongs> didnt we quote F103RB before?
2014-05-15T07:11:29 < dongs> it was like few cents more than F103CB
2014-05-15T07:12:04 < dongs> zyp: ^
2014-05-15T07:12:15 < zyp> right, so if cb has enough IO, but you have enough area for rb, it doesn't really matter what you choose
2014-05-15T07:12:26 < dongs> ya
2014-05-15T07:13:19 < zyp> hmm, digikey actually has f072 in stock now, still silly expensive
2014-05-15T07:13:26 < dongs> mouser?
2014-05-15T07:13:33 < zyp> didn't have last I checked
2014-05-15T07:13:46 < zyp> not now either
2014-05-15T07:16:07 < zyp> hmm, I almost wish they put an LDO into f072 so I could run it directly off vbus
2014-05-15T07:16:44 < dongs> heh
2014-05-15T07:23:39 < zyp> I should probably port my code to f072-disco before attempting to use it in a design too, in case there are any ugly errata or something
2014-05-15T07:24:10 < dongs> heh
2014-05-15T07:24:14 < dongs> which is that?
2014-05-15T07:24:21 < dongs> the arcinb shit?
2014-05-15T07:24:28 < zyp> no
2014-05-15T07:24:53 < zyp> other shit I'm planning on doing
2014-05-15T07:25:09 < dongs> when is dickstarter
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2014-05-15T07:25:53 < zyp> dunno, haven't come up with any good ideas
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2014-05-15T08:47:52 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/SML-LX0404SIUPGUSB/67-2125-2-ND/2509880
2014-05-15T08:47:53 < dongs> them leds
2014-05-15T08:48:50 < GargantuaSauce> 0404 RGB? :o
2014-05-15T08:49:18 < dongs> imagine if you buy 8.25 million of them and put them together side by side
2014-05-15T08:49:22 < dongs> you could make a 4K screen
2014-05-15T08:49:39 < GargantuaSauce> get innovating
2014-05-15T08:51:10 < qyx_> lets put it on kickstarter
2014-05-15T08:51:38 < GargantuaSauce> and just use 8 million shift registers to drive it with an arduino
2014-05-15T08:51:41 < GargantuaSauce> er 1 million
2014-05-15T08:53:24 < dongs> arduino SPI not going to be fast enough
2014-05-15T08:53:26 < dongs> you need raspberry pi
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2014-05-15T12:04:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6wwfuIS.jpg
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2014-05-15T12:19:00 < gnomad> d'oh!
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2014-05-15T12:27:25 < Claude> took this pic in an indian elevator : http://imgur.com/Iygm7Vi . guess that pressing that button is really a option sometimes
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2014-05-15T12:38:49 < GargantuaSauce> nuclear powered fan?
2014-05-15T12:43:02 < dongs> its a gas van
2014-05-15T12:43:04 < dongs> er, fan
2014-05-15T12:46:12 < dongs> so something broke this afternoon
2014-05-15T12:46:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/gFcUkvr.png
2014-05-15T12:46:20 < dongs> and now this is the only mode that works
2014-05-15T12:46:31 < dongs> i think its time to price out a new gaming rig
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2014-05-15T12:53:44 < GargantuaSauce> funny, my linux workstation never swaps around the monitors
2014-05-15T12:54:06 < dongs> thats funny, your lunix workstation cant even use more than one monitor at a time
2014-05-15T12:54:12 < GargantuaSauce> it's using 4!
2014-05-15T12:54:20 < dongs> unless y ou wanna spend hours editing X11.conf
2014-05-15T12:54:22 < dongs> or whatever the fuck
2014-05-15T12:54:46 < GargantuaSauce> nope the nvidia control panel lets me drag stuff around and it does the configuration
2014-05-15T12:59:07 < GargantuaSauce> i think the DE can do it too
2014-05-15T12:59:18 < GargantuaSauce> those days of woe are long past
2014-05-15T12:59:30 < karlp> yeah, gnome lets me drag around monitors willy nilly
2014-05-15T12:59:39 < karlp> but I've never owned 4 to try out...
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2014-05-15T13:57:28 < Steffanx> When is the last time you touched a lunix machine dongs?
2014-05-15T13:57:42 < Steffanx> *was
2014-05-15T13:58:48 < dongs> doesnt matter, its still broken anytime i do
2014-05-15T14:10:50 < Steffanx> knew it :P
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2014-05-15T15:26:09 < dongs> heh
2014-05-15T15:26:18 < dongs> this schematic shows TJ calculations on each vreg
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2014-05-15T17:25:55 < dongs> huhhrr
2014-05-15T17:26:10 < dongs> i just plugged jlink in and got a 'usb controller ran out of capacity' or something shit on windows
2014-05-15T17:26:33 < dongs> its only 2nd level hub.. i thought you could nest like a few levels
2014-05-15T17:26:35 < dongs> before it goes nuts
2014-05-15T17:27:53 < zyp> yes, 7
2014-05-15T17:28:05 < dongs> hmm
2014-05-15T17:28:18 < zyp> but I guess it ran out of power?
2014-05-15T17:28:18 < dongs> it wasnt that many, even counting root hub or whatever trash inside desktop.
2014-05-15T17:28:21 < dongs> no
2014-05-15T17:28:27 < dongs> it ran out of nesting levels
2014-05-15T17:28:34 < dongs> i dont remember the text  exactly
2014-05-15T17:28:36 < dongs> it wasnt the power one.
2014-05-15T17:28:39 < zyp> that doesn't make sense
2014-05-15T17:28:44 < dongs> not at all.
2014-05-15T17:28:53 < dongs> actually, its on a usb3+usb2 combo hub
2014-05-15T17:28:54 < dongs> but still.
2014-05-15T17:29:06 < dongs> pc>usb3>usb2>jlink is still only 3, max 4 levels.
2014-05-15T17:29:23 < zyp> usb3 hubs doesn't work like that
2014-05-15T17:29:34 < zyp> they have usb2 and usb3 hubs in parallel
2014-05-15T17:29:40 < dongs> hm?
2014-05-15T17:30:05 < dongs> its like a 5usb3 and remaining 8 or someshit usb2 ports
2014-05-15T17:30:18 < zyp> there's no translation between usb2 and usb3 anywhere, usb2 is passed to host as usb2 and usb3 is passed to host as usb3
2014-05-15T17:30:32 < dongs> well i only plug in usb3 wire
2014-05-15T17:30:35 < zyp> wat
2014-05-15T17:30:37 < dongs> to this hub.
2014-05-15T17:30:42 < dongs> wat wat
2014-05-15T17:30:49 < zyp> usb3 wire?
2014-05-15T17:30:58 < dongs> hub [ 5 usb3, 8 usb2 ports ] -> usb3 cable -> PC
2014-05-15T17:31:18 < zyp> yes, all usb3 cables contain wiring for both usb2 and usb3
2014-05-15T17:31:33 < dongs> oh for srs?
2014-05-15T17:31:37 < zyp> i.e. both conventional D+/D- wires and the two new differential pairs
2014-05-15T17:31:38 < dongs> the extra shit in usb3 is ONLY for usb3?
2014-05-15T17:31:41 < zyp> yes
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2014-05-15T17:32:45 < dongs> so hm
2014-05-15T17:32:56 < dongs> so this hub is acutally 2 hubs?
2014-05-15T17:32:57 < dongs> physically
2014-05-15T17:33:04 < zyp> usb3 hubs tend to be
2014-05-15T17:33:05 < dongs> usb2 with 8ports and usb3 with 5 or whatever?
2014-05-15T17:33:12 < zyp> sounds like it
2014-05-15T17:33:50 < zyp> or usb3 with 5 and usb2 with 13
2014-05-15T17:33:57 < zyp> if you have 13 ports in total
2014-05-15T17:35:08 < dongs> oh.. hm right, usb3 "ports" also need usb2 part then
2014-05-15T17:35:24 < zyp> yep
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2014-05-15T17:39:00 < zyp> hmm, I picked apart a 4-port usb3-hub here, it's doing both in the same chip
2014-05-15T17:39:05 < zyp> http://via-labs.com/en/products/vl810/index.jsp <- this chip
2014-05-15T17:39:46 < zyp> block diagram of chip shows how that works though
2014-05-15T17:40:01 < zyp> left side is usb3, right side is usb2
2014-05-15T17:40:25 < zyp> and the Transaction Translator part is what handles conversion between HS and FS/LS
2014-05-15T17:40:46 < dongs> You mean Transation
2014-05-15T17:41:20 < zyp> no, they mean Transaction
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2014-05-15T17:44:01 < zyp> hmm, this hub is even a 4L design
2014-05-15T17:44:20 < dongs> heh, that usb3hub/gige combo thing off ebay was a 2 layer board
2014-05-15T17:44:32 < dongs> AND
2014-05-15T17:44:43 < dongs> it was failing to gigE with this trashy cable that works at other places
2014-05-15T17:44:53 < dongs> so either cuz of 2L or cuz ethernet chip is shitty
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2014-05-15T17:56:23 < qyx_> or because of china
2014-05-15T17:56:38 < qyx_> even their usb 1.1 10mbit eth don't work as expected
2014-05-15T17:57:28 < dongs> heh
2014-05-15T18:00:51 < dongs> got it again
2014-05-15T18:00:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/xwcRBjj.png
2014-05-15T18:01:24 < zyp> power is a resource
2014-05-15T18:01:37 < dongs> no
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2014-05-15T18:03:29 < zyp> sure it is, a hub has a given number of 100mA blocks available, and each port requires at least one, which means that a device requesting more than 100mA can't be configured if there's not more power blocks available
2014-05-15T18:04:26 < zyp> a denied request for more power is different from an actual overcurrent fault on a port
2014-05-15T18:05:13 < zyp> although it sounds weird that the hub won't have enough power for all ports
2014-05-15T18:06:07 < GargantuaSauce> i wish usb had a "fuck off here's 10A" mode
2014-05-15T18:06:15 < dongs> thats usb5
2014-05-15T18:06:24 < dongs> with those new connectors
2014-05-15T18:06:27 < dongs> that claim to do 100V/20A
2014-05-15T18:06:49 < fbs> lol
2014-05-15T18:06:51 < dongs> (they're gonna skip usb4 cuz 4 means death)
2014-05-15T18:07:13 < fbs> they gonna match firefox release numbers
2014-05-15T18:07:46 < dongs> yeah
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2014-05-15T18:22:10 < rewolff1> Hi,
2014-05-15T18:22:10 < rewolff1> Does anybody want to comment on: https://github.com/rewolff/ezarm
2014-05-15T18:22:10 < rewolff1> (the README is all there is. Comments and suggestions are now most capable of influencing the project. )
2014-05-15T18:24:13 < synic> rewolff1: not to take anything away from you, cus it looks cool, but are you aware that there's several other projects attempting to do the same thing?
2014-05-15T18:24:31 < rewolff1> Point me there.
2014-05-15T18:24:40 < rewolff1> Libopencm3 I know about, and doesn't work for me.
2014-05-15T18:25:03 < synic> yeah, there's that one, and zyp has one I think
2014-05-15T18:25:20 < synic> and there's mbed
2014-05-15T18:25:27 < effractur> chibios
2014-05-15T18:25:33 < dongs> stdperiphlib?
2014-05-15T18:25:37 < dongs> my favorite
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2014-05-15T18:27:37 < GargantuaSauce> and stm32timecube
2014-05-15T18:28:04 < karlp> rewolff1: what "doesn't work for you" about libopencm3?
2014-05-15T18:28:39 < karlp> or, what things would you like to change about it?
2014-05-15T18:28:48 < rewolff1> My "blinky" program ends up having 12 conditional #ifdefs to compile to 6 different CPUs.
2014-05-15T18:29:11 < Laurenceb__> attn dongs:  http://hackaday.com/2014/05/15/introducing-the-arduino-zero/
2014-05-15T18:29:13 < rewolff1> stdperiphlib I can't get to work on LInux.
2014-05-15T18:29:26 < synic> rewolff1: stdperiphlib does work on linux
2014-05-15T18:29:40 < karlp> what conditionals are you talking about?
2014-05-15T18:30:12 < synic> though with stdperiphlib, you'll definitely have your ifdefs
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2014-05-15T18:30:18 < karlp> the apis are coalescing to give more simpler higher levels methods, if that's all you're talking about
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2014-05-15T18:33:01 < rewolff1> http://www.st.com/internet/com/SOFTWARE_RESOURCES/SW_COMPONENT/FIRMWARE/stm32f4_dsp_stdperiph_lib.zip
2014-05-15T18:33:08 < rewolff1> Link is dead.
2014-05-15T18:36:23 < rewolff1> Searching for stdperiphlib on "st.com" gives: no results found.
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2014-05-15T18:36:59 < rewolff1> I managed to find a "speech" lib which seems to include stdperphlib for a 10x chip.
2014-05-15T18:37:32 < karlp> are you looking for cmsis-dsp?
2014-05-15T18:38:03 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1743/PF257901
2014-05-15T18:38:21 < rewolff1> @karlp, To set the clock to something more than default, there are several things-to-call. (with libopencm3).
2014-05-15T18:38:37 < karlp> rewolff1: libopencm3 has nothign against getting more "simple" higher level apis like your ezarm stuff, just that the initial code in libopencm3 was the lowest level stuff
2014-05-15T18:38:48 < karlp> yeah, clocks were not done well, and are slowly unifying.
2014-05-15T18:39:00 < rewolff1> To enable the clock to gpioB, I need to specify that it lives in RCC_APB2ENR on F1, and on RCC_AHB1ENR on F2.
2014-05-15T18:39:06 < karlp> not anymore.
2014-05-15T18:39:07 < rewolff1> and on RCC_AHBENR for F3.
2014-05-15T18:39:28 < karlp> you can still use that style if you want, but there's a simpler higher level api for that now
2014-05-15T18:39:37 < rewolff1> Ok. Clue me in.
2014-05-15T18:39:39 < rewolff1> :-)
2014-05-15T18:39:44 < karlp> I just did.
2014-05-15T18:39:54 < karlp> seriously, libopencm3 has nothing against getting more higher level apis
2014-05-15T18:39:57 < rewolff1> ehh. the name of afunction would be nice.
2014-05-15T18:40:00 < karlp> but you ahve to have the low level apis to build them.
2014-05-15T18:40:18 < rewolff1> I did a git pull yesterday.
2014-05-15T18:40:36 < karlp> look at the examples: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/commit/5bb4d47aae04ec71534843100df467d3203d4837
2014-05-15T18:40:46 < karlp> been there for four months or so now.
2014-05-15T18:41:20 < karlp> had to leave both apis for now, but it's marked deprecated even if your compiler supports that, or at least, it was meant to be
2014-05-15T18:41:38 < karlp> there's a #libopencm3 here if you want to suggest more things that could be done better :)
2014-05-15T18:42:03 < karlp> don't get me wrong, I like the simplicity of some of your apis, but it's not that libopencm3 is trying to avoid that, just that it hasn't had them added yet.
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2014-05-15T18:43:57 < dongs> Consistent and complete embedded software offer that frees the user from dependency issues
2014-05-15T18:44:00 < dongs> Maximized portability between all STM32 series supported by STM32Cube
2014-05-15T18:44:03 < dongs> Hundreds of examples for easy understanding
2014-05-15T18:44:05 < dongs> High quality HAL using CodeSonar® static analysis tool
2014-05-15T18:44:07 < dongs> wow, stm32timecube sounds like thre most amazing thing ever
2014-05-15T18:44:09 < dongs> STM32F4-specific middleware including USB Host and Device and TCP/IP stack
2014-05-15T18:44:11 < dongs> Free user-friendly license terms
2014-05-15T18:44:13 < dongs> except it looked like shit last i checked???
2014-05-15T18:44:15 < rewolff1> Hmmm. ok. That takes care of three or four ifdefs.
2014-05-15T18:44:16 < dongs> Update mechanism that can be enabled by the user to be notified of new releases
2014-05-15T18:44:17 < karlp> makes your teeth whiter too :)
2014-05-15T18:45:16 < rewolff1> OK. My '103 is hooked up right now and blinky compiles with the new code.
2014-05-15T18:45:23 < dongs> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/fragment/product_related/rpn_information/board_photo/stm32cubef4.jpg
2014-05-15T18:45:26 < dongs> haha
2014-05-15T18:45:31 < karlp> rewolff1: there's still problems with the gpios being totally different on f1 and everything else, but that partly just needs more clever people to suggest better ways
2014-05-15T18:45:33 < dongs> * = not available yet
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2014-05-15T18:45:50 < karlp> yay, f2 is available
2014-05-15T18:45:55 < karlp> thjat will come in handy
2014-05-15T18:46:09 < Steffanx> For a decent price? iirc it is much more expensive than any other serie
2014-05-15T18:46:28 < karlp> Steffanx: talking baout cube avialability
2014-05-15T18:46:34 < rewolff1> OK. Works.
2014-05-15T18:46:34 < karlp> (and wasn't being serious)
2014-05-15T18:46:35 < Steffanx> aah :P
2014-05-15T18:46:45 < Steffanx> the tool that was only available for windows, so sad
2014-05-15T18:46:48 < Steffanx> *is
2014-05-15T18:47:00 < dongs> wat tool
2014-05-15T18:47:03 < dongs> that updates notifications?
2014-05-15T18:47:06 < Steffanx> that stm32cube crap
2014-05-15T18:47:56 < dongs> maybe its really amaze
2014-05-15T18:47:59 < dongs> who knows!
2014-05-15T18:48:17 < Steffanx> Yes, because it's JAVA and WINDOWS-ONLY
2014-05-15T18:48:53 < synic> winning combination!
2014-05-15T18:49:42 < Steffanx> That MicroXplorer stuff was also JAVA but was just a jar that could run on any os with java
2014-05-15T18:54:11 < emeb> people who want to write code that can run on any rev of STM32 need JAVA on the STM32
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2014-05-15T18:54:32 < Steffanx> aka STM32J
2014-05-15T18:54:46 < rewolff1>  
2014-05-15T18:59:19 < rewolff1> The CUBE thingy is fun.
2014-05-15T18:59:47 < rewolff1> I downloade dthe version for F4 and the manual tells me to open the project with my favorite build systme.
2014-05-15T18:59:59 < rewolff1> Well my favorite build system is "make",
2014-05-15T19:00:03 < rewolff1> No makefiles.
2014-05-15T19:00:16 < rewolff1> The source for the blinky is 700 lines.
2014-05-15T19:00:46 < emeb> if you want to code bare-metal then code bare-metal.
2014-05-15T19:01:32 < rewolff1>   /* Select PLL as system clock source and configure the HCLK, PCLK1 and PCLK2
2014-05-15T19:01:32 < rewolff1>      clocks dividers */
2014-05-15T19:01:32 < rewolff1>   RCC_ClkInitStruct.ClockType = (RCC_CLOCKTYPE_SYSCLK | RCC_CLOCKTYPE_HCLK | RCC_CLOCKTYPE_PCLK1 | RCC_CLOCKTYPE_PCLK2);
2014-05-15T19:01:32 < rewolff1>   RCC_ClkInitStruct.SYSCLKSource = RCC_SYSCLKSOURCE_PLLCLK;
2014-05-15T19:01:32 < rewolff1>   RCC_ClkInitStruct.AHBCLKDivider = RCC_SYSCLK_DIV1;
2014-05-15T19:01:33 < rewolff1>   RCC_ClkInitStruct.APB1CLKDivider = RCC_HCLK_DIV4;
2014-05-15T19:01:33 < rewolff1>   RCC_ClkInitStruct.APB2CLKDivider = RCC_HCLK_DIV2;
2014-05-15T19:01:34 < rewolff1>   if(HAL_RCC_ClockConfig(&RCC_ClkInitStruct, FLASH_LATENCY_5) != HAL_OK)
2014-05-15T19:01:40 < rewolff1> And THAT is going to work on F2?
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2014-05-15T19:01:56 < rewolff1> (let's not push things and want it to work on F1...).
2014-05-15T19:02:14 < rewolff1> Cube evaluated and discarded.
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2014-05-16T02:51:09 < dongs> http://littlebits.cc/ such waste
2014-05-16T02:51:18 < dongs> why do people spendtime
2014-05-16T02:52:50 < BrainDamage> why, it'd be fine for kids as learning experience
2014-05-16T02:53:07 < BrainDamage> it's when grownups that use it that I shake my head
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2014-05-16T04:26:57 < dongs> foxconning like a pro
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2014-05-16T06:06:39 < dongs> wehre pro chat
2014-05-16T06:09:44 < zyp> sup
2014-05-16T06:09:48 < dongs> not much
2014-05-16T06:09:51 < dongs> i should poke about connectors eh?
2014-05-16T06:09:54 < dongs> its getting close
2014-05-16T06:11:27 < dongs> poked.
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2014-05-16T06:31:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A23DoI7D1A
2014-05-16T06:31:11 < dongs> good use for 4k monitor
2014-05-16T06:35:34 < englishman> hmm only 720p with html5
2014-05-16T06:35:57 < dongs> yes
2014-05-16T06:35:59 < dongs> i had to load IE6
2014-05-16T06:36:01 < dongs> to view it in 4k
2014-05-16T06:36:09 < dongs> HTML5 players are fucking dead to me
2014-05-16T06:36:25 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecmAra3eNLk dat tiltshift
2014-05-16T06:36:36 < englishman> after switching to firefox i got to remember how much adobe flash sucks
2014-05-16T06:37:55 < englishman> wow 3:11 tokyo is big
2014-05-16T06:39:12 < dongs> which one, tiltshift
2014-05-16T06:39:13 < dongs> or 4k?
2014-05-16T06:39:16 < englishman> 4k
2014-05-16T06:39:59 < dongs> lo
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2014-05-16T06:51:12 < zyp> of course it is, they have some millions of people there, after all
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2014-05-16T07:00:00 < dongs> zyp wat do you wanna do with 4L
2014-05-16T07:00:02 < dongs> its sitting here with stencil
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2014-05-16T07:04:11 < zyp> you can either just ship it now or ship it with the other stuff when that's done
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2014-05-16T07:11:23 < MrMobius> Can you use one of the discovery boards to program an arbitrary device like a CPLD over JTAG?
2014-05-16T07:11:51 < zyp> depends what you're really asking
2014-05-16T07:12:01 < zyp> you can't use the st-link for that, no
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2014-05-16T07:12:17 < zyp> but you can of course write a firmware that makes the discovery board into a generic jtag adapter
2014-05-16T07:13:20 < MrMobius> alright. Wikipedia is not very enlightening on how exactly JTAG works. Is it just clocking data like SPI?
2014-05-16T07:13:35 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/qHoay.JPG <- here's programming a cpld with one of the discovery boards
2014-05-16T07:14:05 < zyp> it's similar to SPI but a bit more complex
2014-05-16T07:14:05 < MrMobius> neato
2014-05-16T07:14:58 < zyp> you have clk, data in and data out like spi, but then you also have an additional mode select that works like a second data out line
2014-05-16T07:15:21 < zyp> so you shift two bits out and one bit in for every clock cycle
2014-05-16T07:26:22 < gxti> and you can have multiple devices chained together, with the data out from one going to the data in of the next
2014-05-16T07:27:02 < zyp> depending on what you interface with, you might not have to care what the data means
2014-05-16T07:27:32 < zyp> my code just takes two lists of bits to shift out, and returns a list of bits shifted in
2014-05-16T07:27:39 < dongs> i ported xilinx xsvf player shit to stm32
2014-05-16T07:27:42 < dongs> to program cpld, it was super easy
2014-05-16T07:28:09 < zyp> I just interfaced directly to xilinx impact, since it provides me with the lists
2014-05-16T07:28:13 < zyp> also super easy
2014-05-16T07:28:29 < zyp> except the part where impact is buggy shit, of course
2014-05-16T07:28:58 < zyp> I considered xsvf, but didn't want to spend time learning xsvf format
2014-05-16T07:29:44 < dongs> why bother learning?
2014-05-16T07:29:46 < dongs> they have .c code
2014-05-16T07:29:47 < dongs> for 8051
2014-05-16T07:29:50 < dongs> you just replace liek 4 functions
2014-05-16T07:30:07 < zyp> where do you pull the file from?
2014-05-16T07:30:16 < dongs> impact makes it
2014-05-16T07:30:20 < dongs> when you right click target
2014-05-16T07:30:24 < dongs> create xxfvf file or wahtever
2014-05-16T07:30:24 < zyp> yes, but how do you get it onto stm32?
2014-05-16T07:30:27 < dongs> um
2014-05-16T07:30:28 < dongs> loldongs.h
2014-05-16T07:30:32 < dongs> is wat i did
2014-05-16T07:30:35 < dongs> bin2hex etc.
2014-05-16T07:30:37 < dongs> or bin2h
2014-05-16T07:30:38 < zyp> ah
2014-05-16T07:30:53 < zyp> sounds like a hassle having to reflash
2014-05-16T07:30:57 < dongs> its a xc264 so file is only like 8k
2014-05-16T07:31:07 < dongs> shrug, the board its in doesnt have mass stoRAGE or anythign else anyway
2014-05-16T07:31:12 < dongs> but you can pull it from wherever.
2014-05-16T07:31:22 < dongs> player is just stream
2014-05-16T07:31:24 < dongs> no seeking etc.
2014-05-16T07:31:28 < dongs> so you can just feed it bytes over whatever
2014-05-16T07:31:46 < zyp> fair point
2014-05-16T07:32:35 < MrMobius> is firmware programming standardized for JTAG all devices?
2014-05-16T07:32:40 < zyp> not at all
2014-05-16T07:32:43 < MrMobius> or each vendor sends info their own way?
2014-05-16T07:33:25 < zyp> jtag is a pretty basic protocol, which each vendor is free to put a lot of vendor specific shit on
2014-05-16T07:33:38 < MrMobius> sounds about right
2014-05-16T07:34:32 < zyp> jtag is basically «select register» and «shift bits into/out of register», and leaves the list of registers up to the vendors
2014-05-16T07:35:44 < zyp> even the size of the «register selection» register is not standardized and does vary between devices
2014-05-16T07:37:49 < zyp> either way you probably don't have to worry about that part
2014-05-16T07:38:25 < MrMobius> i just want to bitbang it with a $1 microcontroller
2014-05-16T07:38:31 < MrMobius> instead of atmels $55 shit
2014-05-16T07:38:47 < MrMobius> but i would have to know what commands to send
2014-05-16T07:38:54 < zyp> the xsvf files that were mentioned are basically files that tells you what bits to shift and what bits to expect back, so you only have to do what the file tells you to do
2014-05-16T07:39:21 < zyp> and not worry about what it means
2014-05-16T07:39:21 < gxti> save yourself the effort and buy a ft2232 based adapter off ebay
2014-05-16T07:40:20 < MrMobius> zyp, i havent tried programming anything yet. is there a program that will make an xsvf file from whatever you compile to?
2014-05-16T07:40:53 < zyp> I think xsvf is a xilinx format, dunno if any other vendors are using that
2014-05-16T07:40:53 < MrMobius> gxti, is that the SPI compatible one? I tried an ft232 cable in SPI mode and it was absolutely awful. i will never try that again
2014-05-16T07:41:06 < zyp> but the xilinx tools will make xsvf files for any xilinx device
2014-05-16T07:41:15 < gxti> ft2232, not ft232. and it has nothing to do with SPI.
2014-05-16T07:41:32 < gxti> it's very popular in cheap jtag adapters.
2014-05-16T07:41:41 < zyp> still awful though
2014-05-16T07:41:58 < gxti> better than trying to bitbang it yourself
2014-05-16T07:42:29 < MrMobius> how do the cheap jtag adapters work then?
2014-05-16T07:42:32 < zyp> dunno, depends how much you suck at doing it yourself
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2014-05-16T07:42:41 < zyp> doing it better than ftdi is not that hard
2014-05-16T07:42:52 < gxti> i have no interest in trying to
2014-05-16T07:43:05 < MrMobius> i had the same problem when i was messing with atmel 8051s and i just did ft232->mcu->8051. it worked great.
2014-05-16T07:43:13 < gxti> then again, i STILL have no interest in getting the ft2232 working either
2014-05-16T07:43:24 < gxti> because openocd makes me angry
2014-05-16T07:43:40 < zyp> openocd isn't relevant when it comes to fpga/cpld
2014-05-16T07:43:50 < gxti> i know, but that's the only reason i've had to dick with it
2014-05-16T07:46:02 < zyp> I wrote my jtag stuff because I had a cpld and a stm32 with a usb connection on the same board, and it's pretty much free to hook up a few spare io to the jtag lines of the cpld, and that lets me program it through the usb connection I already have rather than adding a separate connector for it that I'd have to hook up to some shit
2014-05-16T07:46:27 < gxti> yeah, that would be a good reason to
2014-05-16T07:46:46 < gxti> trying to learn how to do CPLD and also having to write your own jtag routine, not a good reason to
2014-05-16T07:46:50 < gxti> [for example]
2014-05-16T07:47:21 < zyp> the firmware side of it is like 20 lines
2014-05-16T07:47:41 < zyp> hmm, closer to 50 actually, but still
2014-05-16T07:47:48 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/suzumebachi/tree/main.cpp#n123
2014-05-16T07:49:21 < zyp> when I think about it, doing an xsvf player tied to a DFU interface would be kinda neat
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2014-05-16T07:50:35 < zyp> the entire point of DFU is to allow you to stream arbitrary files, and you can have multiple DFU targets on a device, so you can have one flash target and one cpld target
2014-05-16T07:51:04 < zyp> maybe I'll make that next time I'm dicking around with something like that
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2014-05-16T07:59:13 < dongs> nice
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2014-05-16T08:05:57 < ds2> damn..solder paste dries fast when teh ambient is 100F :(
2014-05-16T08:14:36 < emeb_mac> warm day in California?
2014-05-16T08:15:22 < PaulFertser> Xilinx tools can produce regular plain-text SVF files and OpenOCD plays them back just fine with any of the supported adapters. You can also produce a file in ISE as if an FPGA/CPLD is a single device in the chain but later play it back properly in a multi-device configuration.
2014-05-16T08:16:38 < ds2> emeb_mac: 100F+
2014-05-16T08:16:44 < ds2> almost PHX like
2014-05-16T08:16:58 < emeb_mac> No kidding - don't think it got that hot here today.
2014-05-16T08:18:35 < PaulFertser> MrMobius: http://www.amontec.com/pub/amt_ann004.pdf simple intro to jtag
2014-05-16T08:18:50 < emeb_mac> and NorCal folks prolly don't have A/C
2014-05-16T08:18:51 < ds2> 2nd day of that
2014-05-16T08:21:47 < ds2> emeb_mac: how hard is it add agc to a mic preamp?
2014-05-16T08:22:14 < emeb_mac> ds2: depends on how much gain adj range you need
2014-05-16T08:22:27 < emeb_mac> I've seen some simple ones with just a few transistors
2014-05-16T08:22:37 < emeb_mac> but _good_ ones usually require much more.
2014-05-16T08:22:58 < ds2> what about dynamic range compression?
2014-05-16T08:23:49 < emeb_mac> that's a similar process - just depends on where you tap off the gain control
2014-05-16T08:24:31 < emeb_mac> if it's feed-forward then you get proportional gain - compression
2014-05-16T08:25:01 < emeb_mac> if it's feedback then the system tries to normalize gain to the same level regardless - AGC
2014-05-16T08:25:33 < emeb_mac> a common analog solution uses the NE570 chip - http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NE570-D.PDF
2014-05-16T08:27:02 < MrMobius> PaulFertser, ty
2014-05-16T08:28:10 < MrMobius> zyp, it seems you can generate xsvf for the atmel chip im looking at. when you say the file tells you what to expect back, is that just confirmation that the flash programming succeeded?
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2014-05-16T08:29:56 < ds2> isn't the NE570 a log amp?
2014-05-16T08:30:15 < PaulFertser> MrMobius: not only, e.g. it checks part ID first.
2014-05-16T08:30:51 < PaulFertser> MrMobius: I recommend SVF files, I do not see any reason to use XSVF as they're harder to understand.
2014-05-16T08:31:08 < MrMobius> what is the difference?
2014-05-16T08:31:09 < emeb_mac> ds2: not specifically - it may be possible to get log functions from it, but it's mainly designed for compression/expansion
2014-05-16T08:31:22 < PaulFertser> MrMobius: SVF is a simple text format.
2014-05-16T08:31:40 < PaulFertser> Also, SVF support in OpenOCD is better tested.
2014-05-16T08:32:57 < ds2> i see
2014-05-16T08:45:36 < ds2> hehe "operates down to 6V"
2014-05-16T08:46:18 < emeb_mac> lol
2014-05-16T08:46:27 < emeb_mac> that was low voltage back in the day
2014-05-16T08:46:59 < ds2> analog folks are sure liberal with voltage supplies
2014-05-16T08:47:52 < ds2> but they started with the couple hundred volt plates
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2014-05-16T08:51:53 < emeb_mac> ds2: well, low voltage operation means you're more sensitive to noise.
2014-05-16T08:52:27 < emeb_mac> keep the signals large and the noise is, well, in the noise. :)
2014-05-16T08:52:48 < ds2> couldn't they play the same games and make a current mode device?
2014-05-16T08:53:09 < emeb_mac> maybe, but current mode is pretty hard to work with.
2014-05-16T08:53:29 < emeb_mac> very tough to make measurements - you have to break the circuit to see the signal.
2014-05-16T08:54:15 < emeb_mac> can't use a scope, unless you have current probes and those are difficult/expensive/bad bandwidth
2014-05-16T08:56:26 < ds2> run it into a resistor
2014-05-16T08:56:40 < ds2> the LM3900 was like that, IIRC
2014-05-16T08:56:48 < emeb_mac> right - break the circuit. no thanks.
2014-05-16T08:57:39 < emeb_mac> (and hope that the source has enough voltage compliance to tolerate the extra drop you added so you could measure)
2014-05-16T08:57:54 < ds2> no, I mean design in the resistor
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2014-05-16T10:20:01 < dongs> are there any reasonable priced 720p or 1080p usb cameras that have proper focusable optics
2014-05-16T10:20:12 < dongs> I want to rig something up for pcb inspection
2014-05-16T10:20:39 < dongs> tried ps3eye, the shit is fucking useless, i thought it was focusable but it only has 2 zoom points and neither one works at close range
2014-05-16T10:20:52 < superbia> japs should be good at inspecting small things with bare eyes
2014-05-16T10:21:17 < superbia> atleast from the stereotype view..
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2014-05-16T10:57:55 < BennVenn> Hi Everyone, i'm having a problem with interrupts corrupting register data. Is there anyone who knows enough about STM32F1 interrupt handling to help me?
2014-05-16T10:58:53 < ossifrage> I'm trying to find a reference for the standard pinout for a 6 pin SWD connection (for a tag connect cable), google is letting me down, any ideas?
2014-05-16T11:01:20 < ossifrage> Grr, found conflicting pinouts, one had pin 5 as a gpio and 6 as ground and the other at 5 as gnd and 6 as swo/tdo
2014-05-16T11:01:50 < BennVenn> can you find the target schematic?
2014-05-16T11:02:40 < ossifrage> I'm working on the target side, right now I'm doing something for a nordic part, but I want to use the same pinout for a stm32F4 board as well
2014-05-16T11:04:38 < BennVenn> ohh right. i'm using 2wire SWD so cant help
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2014-05-16T11:07:46 < Claude> ossifrage, http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2014-05-16T11:07:47 < ossifrage> yeah this is 2 wire swd (swdio and swclk, no nreset)
2014-05-16T11:08:20 < ossifrage> Claude, yeah they don't spec the 6 pin version
2014-05-16T11:09:22 < Claude> is there even a 6pin swd standard?
2014-05-16T11:09:38 < ossifrage> I'm going to use http://www.tag-connect.com/Materials/ARM20-CTX.pdf and just remap nRESET and SWO/TDO
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2014-05-16T11:20:39 < dongs> ossifrage: 6 pin is not standard by any means
2014-05-16T11:20:47 < dongs> ossifrage: "standard" swd/jtag is 10pin 1.27mmpitch
2014-05-16T11:21:00 < dongs> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf
2014-05-16T11:21:04 < dongs> i.e. this
2014-05-16T11:21:09 < dongs> anythign else that isnt that is just whatever the fuck vendor comes up with
2014-05-16T11:22:21 < dongs> oh haha
2014-05-16T11:22:24 < dongs> way to not pay attention
2014-05-16T11:22:57 < BennVenn> Question, I am calling a routine from my main routine that compares a bit in the USART Status Reg. When an EXTI interrupt is triggered, R0 + R4 is filled with 0x000000FF, even before the interrupt is executed. Is there something about reading across the AHB that i'm missing?
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2014-05-16T11:24:11 < ossifrage> dongs, yeah and it seems different vendors use different mappings, I found a demo board from nordic that used a different mapping, joy
2014-05-16T11:25:01 < dongs> of course.
2014-05-16T11:25:08 < dongs> thats why all my shit I just put standard 10pin one down
2014-05-16T11:25:13 < dongs> then at least nobody has to guess waht it does
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2014-05-16T11:37:39 < BennVenn> Seems registers aren't saved automatically in an interrupt. always thought they were, with a return to address in LR will auto unstack them...
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2014-05-16T12:08:33 < karlp> zyp: in http://bin.jvnv.net/f/qHoay.JPG what are those test clips? nice cables with the ground marker ont he cable like that.
2014-05-16T12:13:39 < Fleck> karlp: http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/314196801.html
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2014-05-16T12:50:59 < karlp> Fleck: no. no labels on the cables, only one connector on the test clips.
2014-05-16T12:51:46 < karlp> and they appear to be permanently mounted to the clips, and there's no docs on the sizing of the clips.
2014-05-16T12:51:49 < karlp> ==> useless
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2014-05-16T13:01:57 < dongs> karlp: those look like standard testclips from digikey
2014-05-16T13:02:43 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XKMBLK/461-1009-ND/528230
2014-05-16T13:05:27 < Fleck> lol, get a name from item description and lookup size and everything
2014-05-16T13:05:32 < dongs> um
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2014-05-16T13:17:02 < dongs> http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Digital-USB-Zoom-Industrial-Camera-with_1570461338.html
2014-05-16T13:17:05 < dongs> hmmm
2014-05-16T13:17:30 < dongs> oh trash 640x480
2014-05-16T13:17:30 < dongs> ughh
2014-05-16T13:18:15 < dongs> holy shit
2014-05-16T13:18:19 < dongs> that building of their "factory"
2014-05-16T13:18:22 < dongs> IVE SEEN IT BEFORE
2014-05-16T13:19:32 < GargantuaSauce> cameras are sort of a weird beast
2014-05-16T13:19:49 < GargantuaSauce> you'll be sacrificing framerate for a higher resolution
2014-05-16T13:20:00 < dongs> thas ok
2014-05-16T13:20:08 < GargantuaSauce> the only solutions i've seen that don't have shit for either of those specs are not usb based
2014-05-16T13:20:12 < dongs> how about something megadixel with shitty framerate and manual focus
2014-05-16T13:20:13 < dongs> yeah?
2014-05-16T13:20:16 < GargantuaSauce> or ditch UVC
2014-05-16T13:20:39 < dongs> but if no uvc means i cant use LUNIX :(((((((((((((((((((
2014-05-16T13:20:53 < GargantuaSauce> a woeful fate
2014-05-16T13:46:50 < dongs> hahaha
2014-05-16T13:47:18 < dongs> http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/1312757/16580774/-1/1288333625/Guangzhou_Caidi_AOMEIDI_Stage_Lighting_Equipment_Factory.jpg
2014-05-16T13:47:21 < dongs> http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/992430/10221289/-1/1252396836/Yiwu_hotel_supplies_factory.jpg
2014-05-16T13:49:57 < dongs> http://www.xinyoukc.com/en/about.asp?action=2 http://www.josell-ecig.com/aboutus.php http://securestarcn.com/aboutus.html http://www.rsumbrella.com/english/index.asp http://www.hemingtrade.com/index_en.asp http://szfxsm.com/ http://www.gzsfty.com/channel.asp?/2.html
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2014-05-16T14:49:33 < karlp> yay, radiated EMI test failures
2014-05-16T14:55:19 < Claude> karlp, stm32?
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2014-05-16T14:55:46 < Steffanx> There where you work have a test room for that karlp ?
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2014-05-16T15:49:55 < karlp> Steffanx: hell no, german partners are paying some third party for it
2014-05-16T15:50:05 < karlp> but we have to tweak the layout to fix it still :)
2014-05-16T15:50:45 < karlp> I don't even know if there's any EMI test facility in iceland.
2014-05-16T15:51:45 < karlp> also, yay, reported a bug in netbeans yesterday, fix is already committed
2014-05-16T15:52:12 < Laurenceb__> attn dongs
2014-05-16T15:52:21 < Laurenceb__> im trying to get afro esc running over i2c
2014-05-16T15:52:24 < Laurenceb__> its failing
2014-05-16T15:52:37 < Laurenceb__> what do i need to set the throttle to?
2014-05-16T15:52:50 < Laurenceb__> its talking fine, motor is beeping,m but no spin
2014-05-16T15:53:05 < karlp> ahh, screenshots inside .docx files again. awesome
2014-05-16T15:53:50 < Steffanx> hah
2014-05-16T15:54:07 < Steffanx> At least it's not a screenshot of a photo opened in some windows photo viewer
2014-05-16T15:56:14 < Laurenceb__> it seems to be in i2c mode
2014-05-16T15:56:17 < Laurenceb__> very odd
2014-05-16T15:56:27 < Laurenceb__> maybe my current limited bench supply kills it
2014-05-16T15:56:39 < Laurenceb__> or i activated dongs troll mode
2014-05-16T15:58:47 < Steffanx> or you activated fail mode
2014-05-16T15:58:58 < Steffanx> Achievement unlocked, Laurenceb__
2014-05-16T15:59:06 < Laurenceb__> im guessing i failed at setting a valid throttle range
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2014-05-16T16:07:10 < Laurenceb__> eww its all bit shifted and weird
2014-05-16T16:07:15 < Laurenceb__> no wonder its failing
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2014-05-16T16:09:33 < Steffanx> Too many spaces Laurenceb__
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2014-05-16T16:19:41 < Laurenceb__> http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__47926__Afro_ESC_20Amp_Multi_rotor_Motor_Speed_Controller_SimonK_Firmware_UK_Warehouse_.html
2014-05-16T16:19:45 < Laurenceb__> says afro_nfet
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2014-05-16T16:32:13 < Laurenceb__> hmm no luck
2014-05-16T16:32:26 < Laurenceb__> beeping stops for a few seconds each time i send a command
2014-05-16T16:36:37 < Laurenceb__> oh shit
2014-05-16T16:36:45 < Laurenceb__> i need throttle calibration?
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2014-05-16T16:55:06 < Laurenceb__> no luck
2014-05-16T16:55:08 < Laurenceb__> its dead
2014-05-16T16:55:16 < Laurenceb__> just beeping at me
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2014-05-16T17:02:15 < edmont> hi
2014-05-16T17:03:21 < edmont> how would you manage the reception of an unknown number of SPI data using DMA?
2014-05-16T17:05:50 < Abhishek_> You could decide on a minimum buffer size and receive data in units of the buffer. IIRC HAL doesn't support Circular transfers for SPI, but it is very easy to write your own code for that
2014-05-16T17:16:10 < zyp> karlp, it's just the standard test leads that comes with the saleae logic
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2014-05-16T17:24:21 < scrts_w> dongs: you want to put that into your design: http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM137/SC713/SS1525/PF250308
2014-05-16T17:24:36 < scrts_w> that's a very specific type of register according to title
2014-05-16T17:27:31 < Steffanx> haha :D Totally dongs style
2014-05-16T17:30:52 < effractur> :)
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2014-05-16T17:38:07 < edmont> Abhishek_, the thing is I am using the stm as a slave for an avr master, and I designed a protocol to read or write to the stm
2014-05-16T17:38:14 < karlp> zyp: fair enough. I have a clone that came with some fairly ratty cables.
2014-05-16T17:38:35 < karlp> I've borrowed a few of the nicer ones that came with work's rigol
2014-05-16T17:38:57 < edmont> Abhishek_, and every frame contains a number of data between 3 and about 70 bytes
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2014-05-16T17:46:40 < Abhishek_> edmont: The reference manual isn't quite clear for use of DMA in slave mode, so I assume that the configuration is to be done in a normal manner (giving the buffers, setup of interrupts etc.) and then as data is sent to the STM32, it would be stored in the buffer. Or if the stm32 is sending data, you place your response in the buffer, enable the SPI and then it is clocked out.
2014-05-16T17:48:26 < zyp> dma requests work the usual way both in master and slave mode
2014-05-16T17:48:45 < zyp> so there's no difference from the dma engine's perspective
2014-05-16T17:52:15 < edmont> my concern is with CNDTR
2014-05-16T17:53:24 < edmont> because at the beggining of a frame transmission i dont know it's size
2014-05-16T17:56:33 < rewolff> edmont, I think I'd initialize the DMA transfer for the "header" information, and then in the interrupt "got the header", you reinitialize the DMA engine for the remaining number of bytes.
2014-05-16T17:57:26 < edmont> mmm, good aproach
2014-05-16T17:57:29 < rewolff> If your header doesn't have a "byte count", then you can probably initalize a long DMA transfer, and then "abort" it on a "pin change interrupt" for the "slave enable".
2014-05-16T17:58:53 < edmont> frames are like this:    function-size-data[n]-checksum
2014-05-16T17:58:55 < rewolff> (I haven't done pin change interrupts on STM, only on AVR. And it remains to be seen how clean you can abort the DMA transfer. It might be tricky to get say the last byte out of the SPI module (if the DMA happens on 16-bit boundaries))
2014-05-16T17:58:59 < edmont> so, header is 2 bytes
2014-05-16T18:00:05 < zyp> you probably want to use 8-bit transfers
2014-05-16T18:00:20 < zyp> then you don't have to worry about that
2014-05-16T18:00:42 < edmont> the problem is i would be using 'size' without first cheking the checksum
2014-05-16T18:01:01 < edmont> zyp: i use 8 bit
2014-05-16T18:02:30 < Abhishek_> wouldn't disabling the DMA FIFO take care of cleanly aborting the DMA transfer
2014-05-16T18:02:52 < zyp> yes, disabling DMA would work fine
2014-05-16T18:03:05 < edmont> ok, i think i'll change the protocol to send the data in a second frame (in case there is data with that function, that is not always the case)
2014-05-16T18:03:28 < Abhishek_> edmont: Or receive the header using interrupts, and then initing the DMA again to receive your payload?
2014-05-16T18:04:12 < edmont> Abhishek_, yes, that's probably the best aproach
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2014-05-16T18:33:34 < Laurenceb__> dongs: where are you
2014-05-16T18:34:06 < SlaveToTheSauce> it's after midnight there
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2014-05-16T21:29:05 < aadamson> I'm mytified... I have 128k flash, applications takes 40.  I wanted to see what would happen if I went from cos from libm to the dsp version in the arm libs.  this on an M3
2014-05-16T21:29:13 < aadamson> but NO I can't it seems I get a region `FLASH' overflowed by 93304 bytes
2014-05-16T21:29:16 < aadamson> wtf
2014-05-16T21:33:52 < SlaveToTheSauce> fwiw i believe the implementations are very similar
2014-05-16T21:38:53 < aadamson> yeah but why the heck can't I link just one freaking routine in without 90k of other crap... that makes no sense...
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2014-05-16T21:48:58 < aadamson> wow, well I give up.. that was a RPITA
2014-05-16T21:50:42 < SlaveToTheSauce> a very significant fraction of the work in this field is wrestling with the toolchain i've found
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2014-05-16T21:51:57 < zyp> if you're wrestling with the toolchain, that often means you're trying to do something wrong/dumb
2014-05-16T21:52:07 < SlaveToTheSauce> yes and? :)
2014-05-16T21:52:07 < aadamson> OMG, how braindead
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2014-05-16T21:52:41 < zyp> well, I recommend not insisting on doing stuff the wrong/dumb way :)
2014-05-16T21:52:42 < aadamson> why on earth would *someone* include a file like arm_common_tables.h, when you just want the freaking sin or cos table...
2014-05-16T21:52:48 < aadamson> no wonder it blows up flash
2014-05-16T21:53:26 < aadamson> what good is a library, when you have to include every freaking table known to man just to get one function out of it... I don't get it
2014-05-16T21:53:43 < zyp> aadamson, why not? don't you have the linker strip unreferenced data anyway?
2014-05-16T21:54:03 < aadamson> well apparently I'm not smart enough to know how to do that
2014-05-16T21:54:19 < aadamson> I build without the dsp lib and it's 45k, I build with it and I get a 200k build
2014-05-16T21:54:24 < zyp> -fdata-sections in cflags and -Wl,--gc-sections in ldflags
2014-05-16T21:54:33 < aadamson> pretty sure those are set. let me check
2014-05-16T21:54:57 < zyp> and you also want -ffunction-sections if you don't already have that
2014-05-16T21:56:16 < aadamson> yep all those are already there
2014-05-16T21:56:45 < SlaveToTheSauce> i am pretty sure wrong/dumb is less a question of "doing" than "being"
2014-05-16T21:56:53 < zyp> if so, including unused tables should not contribute to flash size
2014-05-16T21:56:53 < aadamson> hmm... I'm just going to try to build the single module just to see what happens instead using the lib..
2014-05-16T21:56:54 < SlaveToTheSauce> one that is a strong point of myself
2014-05-16T21:57:21 < aadamson> well something is, I replace cos with arm_cos_f32 and I go from 45K to 200K and exceed flash by 90K
2014-05-16T21:57:25 < aadamson> so the linkers says
2014-05-16T21:58:07 < aadamson> arm-none-eabi-g++ -mcpu=cortex-m3 -mthumb -Og -fmessage-length=0 -fsigned-char -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -Wall -Wextra  -g3 -T libs.ld -T mem.ld -T sections.ld -Xlinker --gc-sections -L"C:/Users/Alan/workspace/STM32L1-flight/ldscripts" -L"C:/Users/Alan/workspace/STM32L1-flight/Libraries/CMSIS/Lib/G++" -Wl,-Map,"STM32L1-flight.map" -o "STM32L1-flight.elf"
2014-05-16T21:58:11 < aadamson> that the entire link line
2014-05-16T21:58:40 < aadamson> well, except for all the modules
2014-05-16T21:58:50 < aadamson> and everything is there that should be
2014-05-16T21:58:55 < gxti> -ffunction-sections and -fdata-sections have to be present when all the objects are compiled
2014-05-16T21:59:01 < aadamson> they are
2014-05-16T21:59:11 < zyp> don't you have to prefix --gc-sections with -Wl, ?
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2014-05-16T21:59:42 < zyp> and all objects also include the library objects
2014-05-16T21:59:57 < zyp> so if you're adding any .a-files, make sure that goes for them too
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2014-05-16T22:20:33 < aadamson> hmm... well I guess we won't be going there... the darn cos routine added almost 30k... oh, well, interesting science experiment
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2014-05-17T00:21:41 < zippe> aadamson: calling cos will not bring in 30k; you have operator error
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2014-05-17T00:47:16 < aadamson> zippe, I always have operator error :)  so I can't build and link the library, but I can build individual modules and link in the individual dsp funcitons
2014-05-17T00:47:44 < aadamson> and for the record, dsp cos/sin is actually *smaller* code wise than the standard lib is
2014-05-17T00:47:57 < aadamson> I have no idea if it's faster, but suspect it is because it uses a lookup table
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2014-05-17T06:39:50 < zippe> Oh GCC, so close...
2014-05-17T06:39:51 < zippe>     volatile bool       _state:1 = false;
2014-05-17T06:48:26 < zippe> But! the committee is on it… http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16520701/bit-fields-in-class-initialization-results-in-error-lvalue-required-as-left
2014-05-17T08:23:12 < gnomad> I read time and time again that bitfields should be avoided in embedded programming.
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2014-05-17T09:14:22 < dongs> buttfields
2014-05-17T09:14:44 < emeb_mac> butterfield
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2014-05-17T09:23:47 < dongs> well that didnt go as planned
2014-05-17T09:23:58 < dongs> made 150 ipad adapters adn japs bought htem all in less than 5hours
2014-05-17T09:26:03 < emeb_mac> \o/
2014-05-17T09:26:08 < emeb_mac> rake in the clams?
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2014-05-17T09:28:51 < dongs> large portion is paypal, so not really
2014-05-17T09:32:25 < emeb_mac> meh
2014-05-17T09:32:31 < emeb_mac> should have charged more
2014-05-17T09:32:40 < dongs> pfft, im making enough on them
2014-05-17T09:32:50 < dongs> i dont wanna scam
2014-05-17T09:32:56 < dongs> liek thjose rozyno guys.
2014-05-17T09:33:00 < dongs> 100 bucks for that shit, fuck off.
2014-05-17T09:33:18 < emeb_mac> you're a gentleman and a scholar
2014-05-17T09:33:52 < emeb_mac> latest stupid project: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/stm32f4_codec_v2/index.html
2014-05-17T09:34:02 < dongs> ohh shiny, v2
2014-05-17T09:34:12 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/Wgme3
2014-05-17T09:34:35 < emeb_mac> taylor swift! can it be true?
2014-05-17T09:38:06 < ds2> hmm
2014-05-17T09:38:34 < ds2> is the hacker community huge in jp?
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2014-05-17T09:41:48 < dongs> emeb_mac: so do you do anything with the stuff you post, do people just download shit and get them made at oshfail or wat
2014-05-17T09:41:55 < dongs> i dont imagine you have time sitting there making one-off boards right
2014-05-17T09:42:25 < emeb_mac> dongs: I build these boards for my own amusement
2014-05-17T09:42:38 < emeb_mac> sometimes people build them for themselves.
2014-05-17T09:43:03 < dongs> so can that synth board emulate OPL3
2014-05-17T09:43:03 < emeb_mac> usually, what I learn doing these boards ends up in products that I do for others
2014-05-17T09:43:16 < emeb_mac> OPL3 - probably
2014-05-17T09:43:21 < emeb_mac> that's not too hard.
2014-05-17T09:43:36  * dongs clicks again
2014-05-17T09:43:39 < dongs> do you have midi in on it
2014-05-17T09:43:49 < dongs> you dont!
2014-05-17T09:43:52 < dongs> FAIL
2014-05-17T09:43:54 < dongs> time for a v3
2014-05-17T09:44:58 < emeb_mac> MIDI can be done thru the serial port
2014-05-17T09:45:06 < dongs> yes but not plugging in
2014-05-17T09:45:17 < emeb_mac> I'd do it as a separate board with the giant DIN connectors
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2014-05-17T09:45:52 < emeb_mac> didn't want to grow this board just to mount those bastards
2014-05-17T09:46:31 < emeb_mac> plus, I've got USB Audio class MIDI working on STM32 now, so I _can_ do it on this one...
2014-05-17T09:46:42 < dongs> OH
2014-05-17T09:46:48 < dongs> right, i guess thats a way
2014-05-17T09:49:48 < dongs> still that wouldnt work with a midi keyboard etc
2014-05-17T09:49:51 < dongs> without going through a pc
2014-05-17T09:50:11 < emeb_mac> sure it could - would have to do OTG to emulate a host tho
2014-05-17T09:50:19 < emeb_mac> that's on the to-do list
2014-05-17T09:50:42 < emeb_mac> part of the reason that I did V2 with OTG...
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2014-05-17T10:04:32 < dongs> oh
2014-05-17T10:04:39 < dongs> usb hjost for a midikeyboard wiht usb?
2014-05-17T10:04:40 < dongs> that'd be cool
2014-05-17T10:05:00 < emeb_mac> yep
2014-05-17T10:05:09 < emeb_mac> gonna give that a try
2014-05-17T10:05:57 < dongs> so y ou use this to prototype your tightly-closed-sores commercial software with?
2014-05-17T10:06:02 < emeb_mac> would be really cool if I can do both host & device.
2014-05-17T10:06:09 < dongs> well, you can on F4 apaprently
2014-05-17T10:06:13 < dongs> cuz it has 2 usb cores?
2014-05-17T10:06:26 < dongs> you'd have to break out both usb connectors.
2014-05-17T10:06:36 < dongs> software-wise zyp says its doable
2014-05-17T10:07:03 < emeb_mac> I'm hoping to do OTG with auto switching between host/device depending on what's plugged in.
2014-05-17T10:07:18 < emeb_mac> I _think_ that works, but don't know for sure
2014-05-17T10:07:25 < dongs> it should?
2014-05-17T10:07:29 < dongs> if you wires up the ID pin
2014-05-17T10:07:53 < PaulFertser> Isn't it the essence of OTG?
2014-05-17T10:08:00 < emeb_mac> yep
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2014-05-17T10:08:35 < PaulFertser> Plus that weird SRP (?) tricks to switch power supply roles etc, but those are optional for real life usage, I guess.
2014-05-17T10:09:27 < PaulFertser> Has anyone actually used that in real life ever?
2014-05-17T10:10:08 < emeb_mac> dunno - gonna give it a try
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2014-05-17T10:11:32 < emeb_mac> got the power switching circuit on the board so it'll be interesting to try.
2014-05-17T10:13:50 < dongs> i just bought a macmini
2014-05-17T10:13:53 < dongs> i'm such a complete faggot
2014-05-17T10:14:58 < emeb_mac> they're cute little machines.
2014-05-17T10:15:16 < emeb_mac> Just install Winders on it
2014-05-17T10:15:35 < dongs> it was cheapest thing to get with thunderdong on it
2014-05-17T10:15:58 < PaulFertser> Will you be using OS X on it?
2014-05-17T10:18:40 < dongs> i wont be "using" much of it.
2014-05-17T10:18:54 < dongs> ill just use it to test thunderbolt shit
2014-05-17T10:18:59 < dongs> for my ipad adapter thingy.
2014-05-17T10:19:07 < dongs> if i can power it all from just that port
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2014-05-17T10:24:27 < PaulFertser> I see. They say you can simply attach a DP-compliant device to it and it'll work, right?
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2014-05-17T10:39:39 < dongs> yes
2014-05-17T10:39:57 < dongs> my point for it is (ab)using power it provides
2014-05-17T10:40:28 < dongs> so i can power the adapter from single cable
2014-05-17T10:41:10 < PaulFertser> Wikipedia claims it can provide 9.9W, heh.
2014-05-17T10:41:14 < dongs> right
2014-05-17T10:41:25 < dongs> should be enough!
2014-05-17T10:42:16 < PaulFertser> Are you going to use an off-the-shelf DCDC? I guess not, they seem to be unreasonably expensive.
2014-05-17T10:42:47 < dongs> what offshelf? now my shit is "usb" powered out-of-spec
2014-05-17T10:42:54 < dongs> and it seems to be doing OK.
2014-05-17T10:43:05 < dongs> im not gonna use dc/dc adapter.
2014-05-17T10:43:14 < dongs> i'll just keep usb option or power via thunderdong.
2014-05-17T10:43:48 < dongs> er ac/dc
2014-05-17T10:44:23 < PaulFertser> 18V, hm?
2014-05-17T10:44:45 < dongs> plenty of buck dc/dc that can run off 18v?
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2014-05-17T10:45:47 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AOZ1281DI/785-1276-1-ND/2769843
2014-05-17T10:45:48 < dongs> this will do
2014-05-17T10:45:53 < dongs> ive used it in other shit before
2014-05-17T10:46:44 < dongs> is it really 18V i thouhgt wikipedo was trolling
2014-05-17T10:46:53 < dongs> so trashbook pro has a 18V boost just for thunderport?
2014-05-17T10:49:24 < PaulFertser> I wonder why something like PSR1-78xxLF is so expensive compared to your solution.
2014-05-17T10:51:47 < dongs> isnt that one of those LM317 dropin things
2014-05-17T10:51:50 < dongs> thats a complete dc/dc module?
2014-05-17T10:51:58 < dongs> ya..
2014-05-17T10:52:24 < dongs> those from RECOM are even more spendy
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2014-05-17T12:00:07 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOCtdw9FG-s
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2014-05-17T13:22:07 < dongs> i think mactrash thunderbolt is 3.3V
2014-05-17T13:22:08 < dongs> lol
2014-05-17T13:23:07 < dongs> for being an open spec im surely finding zero docs on it
2014-05-17T13:24:43 < zyp> https://thunderbolttechnology.net/developers <- all the docs are behind here
2014-05-17T13:25:04 < dongs> "licensed developer"?
2014-05-17T13:25:07 < dongs> that sounds like cahs is involved
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2014-05-17T13:42:50 < dongs> TPS65980 ouch that is spendy
2014-05-17T13:43:39 < dongs> not very available either
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2014-05-17T15:58:13 < PaulFertser> loltrash, I was surprised too I couldn't figure any meaningful info regarding thunderbolt power supply capabilities by simply using an internet search engine.
2014-05-17T16:03:15 < dongs> right
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2014-05-17T16:27:14 < Steffanx> Retweet: http://it.emory.edu/windows7-incident/  .. love windows + fails :P
2014-05-17T16:33:20 < Steffanx> oh, forgot to say: start @ bottom
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2014-05-17T16:42:51 < superbia> not funny
2014-05-17T16:43:45 < Steffanx> Neither are you so it's a perfect link for you.
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2014-05-17T16:55:27 < qyx_> Steffanx: lol
2014-05-17T16:55:47 < dongs> Steffanx: talking to beaky?
2014-05-17T16:56:12 < Steffanx> no, superbia
2014-05-17T16:56:26 < dongs> isnt that same thing
2014-05-17T16:56:31 < Steffanx> but is there a difference? Could be the same :P
2014-05-17T16:58:54 < anick> I'm looking at a USB HUB controller chip that requires a 649 ohm 1% resistor. The documentation says "The RREF resistor is used to control the drive level of the high-speed (HS) signals. If you use a resistor with a value other than 649Ω, the HS signal quality will be degraded over the range of temperature.
2014-05-17T16:58:54 < anick> "
2014-05-17T16:59:00 < anick> what might that mean ?
2014-05-17T16:59:19 < anick> what are they doing with the resistor that determines drive level.
2014-05-17T16:59:20 < dongs> anick: usualyl if they want something specific and theres no 1% value thats close just use 2 in series
2014-05-17T16:59:35 < dongs> some shit i did with usb required 720R so i always used 360*2
2014-05-17T16:59:45 < anick> dongs: its not the value that bothers me. I'm just curious what the circuit is doing. electrically.
2014-05-17T17:00:42 < dongs> 'drive level' is keywrod here i guess?
2014-05-17T17:00:49 < dongs> maybe this sets the vpp levels
2014-05-17T17:00:50 < anick> yes
2014-05-17T17:00:56 < dongs> or something? usb is +-whatever volts.
2014-05-17T17:00:58 < dongs> who knows.
2014-05-17T17:01:39 < dongs> 720 ohm resistors totally dont exist
2014-05-17T17:02:21 < dongs> youre more lucky wiht 649
2014-05-17T17:02:36 < Steffanx> Why don't chip designers put the resistor in the package when the chip needs it so badly.. it saves us the trouble.
2014-05-17T17:02:54 < dongs> arent low resistance resistors really hard to make on chip
2014-05-17T17:03:05 < Steffanx> 649 isn't that low is it?
2014-05-17T17:03:07 < dongs> which is why built in 0pullups on places are really shitty usually
2014-05-17T17:03:13 < anick> yes, resistors are extremely expensive to make in silicon.
2014-05-17T17:03:14 < dongs> well, to thetune of 30k+
2014-05-17T17:03:33 < anick> they occupy too much space.
2014-05-17T17:03:56 < anick> the pullups are rarely real resistors. they're mosfets.
2014-05-17T17:06:11 < Steffanx> no fancy techniques yet to add a resitor into the package?
2014-05-17T17:06:59 < Steffanx> wouldn't work well for bga, or anything other very small, but ..
2014-05-17T17:07:00 < BrainDamage> it's high resistance that's problematic
2014-05-17T17:07:02 < BrainDamage> not small
2014-05-17T17:07:07 < Steffanx> probably not worth the trouble
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2014-05-17T17:30:43 < jonsowman> wonder if anyone can clarify something on the F0s for me: block diagram says COMP1 output can be mapped onto TIM1_IC1, does it really mean IC1 or does it mean TI1?
2014-05-17T17:31:01 < jonsowman> I'm wondering if I can use COMP1 output to trigger input capture on TIM1 channel 2
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2014-05-17T17:44:11 < dongs> Steffanx: whats so funny about that link
2014-05-17T17:44:17 < dongs> some tool made a self-formatting win7 image
2014-05-17T17:44:21 < dongs> and it got released everywehre
2014-05-17T17:44:26 < dongs> i dont really see how this is windows 7 fail
2014-05-17T17:44:28 < dongs> :)
2014-05-17T17:44:40 < dongs> IT guy fail maybe
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2014-05-17T17:58:16 < superbia> infact.. windows guys failed to make a propper/serious os... so dongs has right, the IT guys failed..
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2014-05-17T18:06:13 < gnomad> anick: http://www.logwell.com/tech/components/resistor_values.html
2014-05-17T18:06:16 < dongs> finally finsihed testing/wrapping 150 jewpad adapters
2014-05-17T18:06:54 < gnomad> you need to find someone who sells E48 series resistors -- they exist, just not common
2014-05-17T18:07:08 < dongs> gnomad: for 649/
2014-05-17T18:07:35 < dongs> 649 isnt so bad its all over digikey
2014-05-17T18:07:50 < dongs> try finding 720 :)
2014-05-17T18:08:53 < anick> gnomad: :)
2014-05-17T18:09:34 < gnomad> Is there a web app that can take a desired value and resistor series and calculate how to make it with two series resistors?
2014-05-17T18:09:51 < karlp> I've seen one before, so it must still be there
2014-05-17T18:09:56 < gnomad> ;-)
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2014-05-17T18:10:07 < karlp> but not bookmarked here sorry :)
2014-05-17T18:10:26 < gnomad> my google-fu is generally pretty good -- not sure what keywords to use here.
2014-05-17T18:11:38 < gnomad> http://www.qsl.net/in3otd/parallr.html
2014-05-17T18:12:15 < karlp> that's a nice one
2014-05-17T18:12:23 < karlp> guess your googlefu worked out afterall :)
2014-05-17T18:13:43 < gnomad> yeah, that one is going in my electronics -> calcullators bookmark section
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2014-05-17T18:25:59 < dongs> now just need to find one that calculates R1/R2 for dc/dc
2014-05-17T18:26:04 < dongs> using standard values as possible
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2014-05-17T18:36:56 < superbia> dongs: does ur tardbook mini fits in small backpacks http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/41/35/d5/4135d525e7aa884c023b605fb751a19e.jpg
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2014-05-17T20:25:54 < Steffanx> nothing dongs, just liked to share some fail :P
2014-05-17T20:26:53 < emeb_mac> dutch-land misses out on the earthquakes again. http://earthquaketrack.com/p/germany/recent
2014-05-17T20:28:10 < Steffanx> We have our own "earthquakes" emeb_mac. At least the region i live in
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2014-05-17T20:29:28 < Steffanx> Thanks to the natural gas drilling
2014-05-17T20:30:55 < emeb_mac> blame fracking?
2014-05-17T20:32:01 < Steffanx> No fracking, at least "they" say they don't. ( but it seems they did it a few times though )
2014-05-17T20:37:39 < emeb_mac> earthquakes and below sea-level. what could possibly go wrong?
2014-05-17T20:38:23 < effractur> :D
2014-05-17T20:49:15 < aadamson> Can anyone see anything wrong with this ADC init routine?  If I build with -Og it's fine, if I buuild with -O2 its fine, if I build with -Os, it's not
2014-05-17T20:49:16 < aadamson> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/0O2IMr16.html
2014-05-17T20:49:35 < aadamson> when it's not right, the values that are loaded in the array by the DMA are 4 bits too large
2014-05-17T20:49:46 < aadamson> this is the strangest thing
2014-05-17T20:50:01 < aadamson> the values are supposed to be 2048ish, and yet they are 32432
2014-05-17T20:50:14 < jpa-> aadamson: try putting = {}; after each of the structurs to initialize them
2014-05-17T20:50:32 < aadamson> and all I have to do is wrap it with a -O2  and it works fine
2014-05-17T20:50:36 < aadamson> jpa-, ???
2014-05-17T20:50:43 < jpa-> otherwise if you forget to initialize a field, it will contain random garbage (i can't bother to check if you have initialized all the fields or not)
2014-05-17T20:50:51 < aadamson> I did
2014-05-17T20:51:09 < aadamson> I already checked that and where I don't i always call the struct init routine
2014-05-17T20:51:15 < aadamson> prior to loading the structs
2014-05-17T20:51:29 < jpa-> ok
2014-05-17T20:51:42 < aadamson> but I'll check that just to be sure and add those as a double check
2014-05-17T20:52:05 < aadamson> it's the strangest thing but something is getting mucked up somewhere with the -Os build
2014-05-17T20:52:08 < jpa-> aaaah
2014-05-17T20:52:15 < jpa-> you are using some silly loop on line 99
2014-05-17T20:52:20 < jpa-> the compiler will strip that away
2014-05-17T20:53:26 < jpa-> (though it probably would at -O2 also...)
2014-05-17T20:53:37 < jpa-> maybe diff the objdump -d output for the two versions?
2014-05-17T20:53:41 < aadamson> that is straight out of the std periph examples, but yes I hear you, but that would just effect the vref for the temp sensor and *ALL* the values are wrong not just the vref ones
2014-05-17T20:53:55 < aadamson> jpa-, yeah good idea.
2014-05-17T20:55:13 < aadamson> I'm figuring something in the std periph call is getting optimized away, that's about all it can be (unless I missed a struct field)
2014-05-17T20:55:28 < jpa-> also make sure you are using -Wall -Wextra .. maybe the compiler will warn about the assumptions it makes
2014-05-17T20:55:46 < aadamson> I think I'm doing that already, but I'll double check that now
2014-05-17T20:56:11 < aadamson> yep already have that enabled
2014-05-17T21:00:18 < Steffanx> i must say you seem to have the most wonderful ( annoying ) bugs aadamson  :D
2014-05-17T21:00:45 < aadamson> yeah dont I though
2014-05-17T21:02:29 < jpa-> btw, try also initializing your destination buffer, maybe your DMA is failing and the too large values are actually random crap (in which case looking at the dma/adc error regs might tell the reason)
2014-05-17T21:02:49 < aadamson> already done.. all set to 0
2014-05-17T21:03:08 < aadamson> I've been around these blocks once or twice :)
2014-05-17T21:03:45 < jpa-> dumping the ADC register area from gdb and comparing may also tell something
2014-05-17T21:03:48 < aadamson> ok, made some progress now let me see what I did that fixed it... :)
2014-05-17T21:04:19 < jpa-> also double-check that your clock config is correct and you are not exceeding the maximum clock for ADC, otherwise it might have somewhat random behaviour depending on timing
2014-05-17T21:07:55 < aadamson> bingo.... hmm... now to investigate further
2014-05-17T21:08:35 < emeb_mac> oh, nifty! STM32F042 are now available at DK
2014-05-17T21:11:50 < emeb_mac> boo! no DAC on that part.
2014-05-17T21:11:52 < effractur> dk?
2014-05-17T21:12:01 < emeb_mac> digi-key
2014-05-17T21:14:14 < emeb_mac> aha - 072 part has a DAC and costs just a little more
2014-05-17T21:19:26 < aadamson> well jpa- you win the prize.  I knew I had followed every ADC example I could find on the L1, and NONE of them init a structure element called ADC_ExternalTrigConv, the so the Edge one, but not the other one... I had put the structInit call in but turned if off when I *thought* I was initializing *every* element... but NOPE I missed that one
2014-05-17T21:19:39 < aadamson> and *WHO knows* what value it was getting on the -Os build
2014-05-17T21:20:04 < aadamson> so I looked at the struct init routine and set it to what it would have been set too there... instead of doing both :)
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2014-05-17T21:21:13 < jpa-> common gotcha with stdperiph
2014-05-17T21:21:56 < jpa-> IMO speed in init routines is not that important anyway.. that's why it seems silly not to initialize
2014-05-17T21:22:31 < aadamson> yeah true enough, but at the lack of size :)... either way that fixed it thanks! I'd looked at it too many times already
2014-05-17T21:22:39 < jpa-> especially with = {}; you are not really increasing the code size much either, just a small call to memset (and even though it only initializes to zero, most of the time that is good enough and atleast makes it predictable)
2014-05-17T21:23:07 < emeb_mac> interesting
2014-05-17T21:23:14 < jpa-> for size optimizations, maybe look into -flto in gcc.. in my experience it can shave off quite a lot of size
2014-05-17T21:23:22 < jpa-> especially from stdperiph code
2014-05-17T21:24:01 < jpa-> though -flto is also very good at exposing hiding bugs in code ;)
2014-05-17T21:24:15 < emeb_mac> :)
2014-05-17T21:29:43 < emeb_mac> cc1: error: LTO support has not been enabled in this configuration
2014-05-17T21:30:17 < aadamson> oh quick question... should I always use -fsingle-precision-constant on an st processor (M3 variant)
2014-05-17T21:30:32 < aadamson> emeb_mac, my latest launchpad gcc took that just fine
2014-05-17T21:30:46 < jpa-> aadamson: only if you want to - double precision stuff will just be slightly slower
2014-05-17T21:30:56 < emeb_mac> aadamson: what version?
2014-05-17T21:31:00 < jpa-> i usually type the "f" after the value if i want it single precision
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2014-05-17T21:31:27 < emeb_mac> mine: gcc version 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5666) (dot 3)
2014-05-17T21:31:30 < aadamson> yeah I do that as well... doesn't -fsingle-blah make them all single?
2014-05-17T21:31:46 < jpa-> yes
2014-05-17T21:31:53 < aadamson> oh ok...
2014-05-17T21:32:07 < jpa-> 4.2 :D
2014-05-17T21:32:26 < aadamson> I'm on 4.8.3 20140228 from here - https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2014-05-17T21:32:45 < Steffanx> Isn't the Apple GCC some clang wrapper?
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2014-05-17T21:32:51 < aadamson> thats the ARM employee/company supported/built GCC
2014-05-17T21:33:03 < emeb_mac> right - 4.8 on the site now. :P
2014-05-17T21:33:11 < jpa-> Steffanx: i think it is gcc frontend targeting llvm backend
2014-05-17T21:33:16 < Steffanx> What i meant :P
2014-05-17T21:33:17  * emeb_mac is asleep at the wheel
2014-05-17T21:33:26 < jpa-> Steffanx: clang has very little to do with that :)
2014-05-17T21:33:58 < Steffanx> yeah, sure :P
2014-05-17T21:34:17 < aadamson> well, we'll see what trouble -flto gives me :)... at least it built fine... along with -Os
2014-05-17T21:34:40 < jpa-> if the resulting binary was smaller, and wasn't too small, you are already lucky :)
2014-05-17T21:35:09 < aadamson> it was about 8k smaller, but in the grand scheme of things, that's not that much difference
2014-05-17T21:35:24 < jpa-> sometimes one manages to optimize away all interrupt routines etc..
2014-05-17T21:35:52 < aadamson> lucky for me I don't have many of those... but a few... RTC, Uart, etc :)... so we'll see
2014-05-17T21:36:30 < aadamson> note to self don't try that where you still have printf's in debugging code however, it didn't like that one bit with -flto :)
2014-05-17T21:36:42 < aadamson> switched to the release build which would have defined those out and it built fine
2014-05-17T21:37:23 < aadamson> yeah, I'm an IDE users (in this case eclipse and the ARM plugin - which I really like)
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2014-05-17T21:38:39 < aadamson> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardZero - oh boy, oh boy.... ok, don't get me started :)
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2014-05-17T21:44:29 < emeb_mac> hmmm... -flto seems to blow away a bunch of stuff that is actually needed.
2014-05-17T21:44:33 < emeb_mac> final link fails
2014-05-17T21:45:10 < jpa-> yes, sometimes you need to specify some attributes for startup vectors
2014-05-17T22:49:27 < Steffanx> Zyp, in your laks classes you seems to like to have all code in header files, and not in a seperate cpp files. Is this laziness, easier, or is it just something you like?
2014-05-17T22:51:55 < Steffanx> I mean, you have no real declaration/implementation seperation.
2014-05-17T22:52:01 < Laurenceb> The Zero board expands the Arduino family by providing increased performance to fuel the creativity of the maker community.
2014-05-17T22:52:03 < Laurenceb> hell yeah
2014-05-17T22:52:33 < Steffanx> That's why it still only uses a m0+ :D
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2014-05-17T23:01:23 < Steffanx> pre-ordered one yet, Laurenceb ?
2014-05-17T23:01:31 < Steffanx> Could be perfect for your centrifuge thing
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2014-05-17T23:10:11 < emeb_mac> lol - still using an ATMega for the USB interface.
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2014-05-17T23:19:43 < Steffanx> Are you sure? That second chip seems to be some 32-bit AVR.
2014-05-17T23:21:15 < Steffanx> oh, no i misinterpreted some comment, he THINKS is that.
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2014-05-18T00:50:54 < zyp> Steffanx, part laziness, part to allow inlining
2014-05-18T00:51:39 < zyp> a bunch of the stuff like gpio and shit are deliberately in headers due to inlining, larger stuff like the entire usb stack is just because of laziness
2014-05-18T01:03:12 < Steffanx> oh, no i misinterpreted some comment, he THINKS is that.
2014-05-18T01:03:14 < Steffanx> oops
2014-05-18T01:03:20 < Steffanx> yeah, like i thought :)
2014-05-18T01:03:52 < Steffanx> Was just curious if there was some other reason i couldn't think of
2014-05-18T01:07:58 < zyp> for the current projects, it works like it is so I don't bother changing it just yet
2014-05-18T01:09:11 < zyp> my current projects are mostly one huge main file, so there's no problems with header functions getting emitted into multiple translation units either
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2014-05-18T02:20:01 < dongs> supblogs
2014-05-18T02:44:48 < qyx_> how would standard smps like the idea of voltage present on its output while input is disconnected?
2014-05-18T02:49:34 < gxti> it's typically only a problem if the input is clamped to ground
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2014-05-18T03:06:56 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2014/05/17/these-trackpad-winamp-visualizations-really-whip-the-llamas-ass/
2014-05-18T03:09:18 < Laurenceb> what are they trying to say
2014-05-18T03:09:26 < Laurenceb> i cant understand a single word
2014-05-18T03:10:13 < dongs> the 'coarse langyuage' video?
2014-05-18T03:10:17 < dongs> sounds like some typical nigger shit
2014-05-18T03:12:41 < Laurenceb> the whole thing
2014-05-18T03:13:19 < Laurenceb> As much as we like a good clean Model M specimen
2014-05-18T03:13:22 < Laurenceb> yaman
2014-05-18T03:13:49 < dongs> i think they're talking about that retarded 40 years old IBM keyboard
2014-05-18T03:13:52 < dongs> that faggots want for some reason
2014-05-18T03:13:54 < dongs> i think cuz it clicks
2014-05-18T03:14:02 < dongs> so they can confirm they're hitting right keys when pressing their emacs 10k ey combo
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2014-05-18T03:54:14 < gnomad> Using a Modem M in an office is a great way to tell everyone you are hard at work.
2014-05-18T03:54:20 < gnomad> (model M)
2014-05-18T04:01:43 < BrainDamage> what if they don't want to know
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2014-05-18T04:15:18 < gnomad> oh, that's a given.
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2014-05-18T05:06:22 < owl-v-> stm32 internet of thing... no internal PHY?
2014-05-18T05:08:28 < dongs> internet of dong
2014-05-18T05:08:35 < dongs> or: internet of ddong
2014-05-18T05:09:47 < owl-v-> please translate that ^ in beaky language
2014-05-18T05:10:38 < dongs> https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/27/98112986_d279ce9ca1.jpg < ddong
2014-05-18T05:13:33 < dongs> ok ugh, trying to figure out how to clear  copper + mask around npth mounting hole in altium
2014-05-18T05:15:30 < owl-v-> use TNT to blow it off to clear the path :)
2014-05-18T05:25:45 < dongs> oh owl-v-
2014-05-18T05:25:49 < dongs> i bought a macmini.
2014-05-18T05:25:58 < dongs> now I can join you in being a faggot.
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2014-05-18T05:33:12 < owl-v-> o.o
2014-05-18T05:34:07 < owl-v-> that is surprising, dongs
2014-05-18T05:34:21 < gxti> dongs: where did you get those ublox modules anyway, i need like 100
2014-05-18T05:34:40 < gxti> and they don't list the reel price and i don't really need 250 anyway
2014-05-18T05:34:46 < dongs> gxti: my usual chinagirl. should I hook you up?
2014-05-18T05:35:15 < gxti> sure
2014-05-18T05:35:22 < dongs> i can ask monday for price etc. and  you can just shitpal directly to them + ship to you via whatever. ok, ill ask
2014-05-18T05:35:36 < dongs> it should be better @ 100 also
2014-05-18T05:36:01 < qyx_> hm, what do you use to get 3.3V out of liion?
2014-05-18T05:36:12 < qyx_> just buck converter?
2014-05-18T05:36:13 < dongs> buckboost?
2014-05-18T05:36:27 < dongs> need boost too once youre past 3.3
2014-05-18T05:36:41 < gxti> or get enough cells that it never goes that low
2014-05-18T05:36:46 < gxti> :p
2014-05-18T05:37:01 < dongs> then charging is lame
2014-05-18T05:37:01 < qyx_> then theres a problem with charging
2014-05-18T05:37:12 < dongs> i use http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/sense_power/FM142/CL848/SC969/PF144263 for charger and uh.. need to check what for buckboost
2014-05-18T05:37:38 < qyx_> i was using mcp73831 for charging
2014-05-18T05:38:17 < qyx_> hm, maybe i can go to 2.7V or 3V
2014-05-18T05:38:27 < qyx_> to avoid buckboost
2014-05-18T05:38:38 < dongs> pfft whats the big deal, the price is same
2014-05-18T05:38:59 < qyx_> hm, ill look then
2014-05-18T05:39:18 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/tps63001/description  done
2014-05-18T05:39:52 < qyx_> lul, radio can go down to 2.4V
2014-05-18T05:40:00 < qyx_> though it was like 3-3.6V
2014-05-18T05:40:38 < qyx_> meh 1.74e/100pcs at farnell
2014-05-18T05:40:50 < qyx_> lm3671 buck is 0.3e
2014-05-18T05:43:42 < dongs> cheap
2014-05-18T05:43:47 < dongs> im using NCP1521B
2014-05-18T05:43:53 < dongs> but i dont go by farnell prices
2014-05-18T05:44:09 < dongs> I use to use lm3670
2014-05-18T05:44:43 < dongs> um
2014-05-18T05:44:45 < dongs> how the fuck is it 0.e3
2014-05-18T05:44:50 < dongs> it shows up as 0.66 for me @ 100
2014-05-18T05:45:27 < qyx_> i have 0.33
2014-05-18T05:45:29 < qyx_> eur, not usd
2014-05-18T05:45:32 < dongs> yes i know
2014-05-18T05:45:35 < qyx_> 0.27@1000
2014-05-18T05:45:38 < dongs> http://ie.farnell.com/texas-instruments/lm3671mf-adj/dc-dc-conv-adj-sot-23-5-powerwise/dp/1008256?ref=lookahead
2014-05-18T05:45:57 < dongs> oic, fixed version
2014-05-18T05:45:58 < dongs> is cheap
2014-05-18T05:46:31 < qyx_> wtf
2014-05-18T05:46:37 < qyx_> 0.66 at ie.farnell
2014-05-18T05:46:52 < qyx_> http://sk.farnell.com/texas-instruments/lm3671mf-adj/dc-dc-conv-adj-sot-23-5-powerwise/dp/1008256
2014-05-18T05:46:56 < qyx_> the same 0.33 here
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2014-05-18T05:47:38 < dongs> lol
2014-05-18T05:47:40 < dongs> scammers
2014-05-18T05:47:40 < qyx_> do they have different eur in ireland?
2014-05-18T05:47:47 < dongs> no clu
2014-05-18T05:47:58 < dongs> i just cliceked random eu place from their main page
2014-05-18T05:48:09 < dongs> 3.3/NOPB is same price as yours
2014-05-18T05:48:23 < qyx_> fun
2014-05-18T05:49:35 < qyx_> ok, only the flash has left to check if it accepts 2.7
2014-05-18T05:51:36 < qyx_> nic, 2.7V minimum
2014-05-18T05:53:56 < dongs> youre riding on fail there
2014-05-18T05:55:06 < qyx_> well see
2014-05-18T05:55:09 < qyx_> we'll
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2014-05-18T07:05:05 < owl-v-> http://youtu.be/DvV1eYRKRNY
2014-05-18T07:07:56 < owl-v-> quite similar, that electric voice... oh, marilyn manson's voice
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2014-05-18T07:50:21 < owl-v-> lol battery out
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2014-05-18T08:28:43 < dongs> trash
2014-05-18T08:28:46 < dongs> that video
2014-05-18T08:28:49 < dongs> shit american music
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2014-05-18T13:39:17 < dongs> k bought that 3A 4 digit panel meter
2014-05-18T13:39:40 < dongs> and dell AC511 soundbar
2014-05-18T13:39:54 < dongs> my shitty speakers are broken or something only left one makes sound.
2014-05-18T13:46:27 < GargantuaSauce> pretty much every time i've had problems with consumer audio equipment the culprit has been the 3.5mm jack
2014-05-18T14:00:00 < dongs> yah i  am sure
2014-05-18T14:00:03 < dongs> im getting 60hz hum in right speaker
2014-05-18T14:00:07 < dongs> and OK stuff in left
2014-05-18T14:00:18 < dongs> but these are powered speakers ,, however turning off power seems to still play on left one
2014-05-18T14:00:30 < dongs> so maybe the amp fried or someshit.. wahtever, tehy take up too much space i'd rather replace them with something less shit
2014-05-18T14:01:36 < dongs> whatever, soundbar bought, ui'm sure i'll do just fine for irc beeps
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2014-05-18T14:18:13 < gnomad> irc is really important enough for anything audible?
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2014-05-18T15:08:53 < dongs> absolutely
2014-05-18T15:09:01 < superbia> sup inventor
2014-05-18T15:09:25 < owl-v-> inventor=dongs ?
2014-05-18T15:10:20 < dongs> yes
2014-05-18T15:10:25 < dongs> i'm a professional irc inventor
2014-05-18T15:10:32 < qyx_> invertor
2014-05-18T15:12:52 < dongs> fucking altidong doesnt tent vias by default wiht mask
2014-05-18T15:12:55 < dongs> fale
2014-05-18T15:13:05 < dongs> EASY TO FIX THO
2014-05-18T15:13:52 < Steffanx> professional rager aswell
2014-05-18T15:14:13 < dongs> definitely
2014-05-18T15:14:15 < superbia> i returned home with rayban sunglasses
2014-05-18T15:14:46 < superbia> originals.. dunno who gave them to me.. but i dont wanna use them..
2014-05-18T15:18:51 < dongs> what a scam, there's already USB 3.1?
2014-05-18T15:18:55 < dongs> with 10gbps
2014-05-18T15:18:56 < dongs> lol
2014-05-18T15:19:36 < owl-v-> 3.0 -> bug-fix? -> 3.1
2014-05-18T15:20:35 < dongs> hopefully usb doesnt use lunix kernel naming scheem
2014-05-18T15:20:49 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-18T15:23:24 < Steffanx> No, soon we will have usb 2015
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2014-05-18T15:24:03 < owl-v-> and usb 2015.1
2014-05-18T15:24:48 < owl-v-> what's license for using usb in production?
2014-05-18T15:26:30 < gnomad> my favorite version numbering scheme:  http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=TeXfuture
2014-05-18T15:26:37 < dongs> you could pay to usb/if for the VID
2014-05-18T15:26:42 < dongs> $5k i htink?
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2014-05-18T15:27:34 < dongs> and to put a logo you need to pass  testing and shit
2014-05-18T15:27:35 < dongs> that costs.
2014-05-18T15:27:42 < dongs> dont think there's a per-device fees
2014-05-18T15:27:57 < Steffanx> That's just too stupid gnomad.
2014-05-18T15:28:03 < owl-v-> logo on box or logo on instructin?
2014-05-18T15:28:52 < dongs> like usb logo
2014-05-18T15:29:11 < dongs> http://www.tech2date.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/usb-high-speed-logo-e1313399016544.jpg
2014-05-18T15:30:42 < gnomad> when you think about it, all software should asymptotically approach perfection, so why not the version number?
2014-05-18T15:31:24 < gnomad> either that, or, I'm just saying the naming scheme could be worse...
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2014-05-18T15:39:07 < owl-v-> hi-speed is already worse than usb2.0
2014-05-18T15:43:01 < owl-v-> what about this logo? fee for this, too? >> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/USB_Icon.svg/475px-USB_Icon.svg.png
2014-05-18T15:43:19 < effractur> y
2014-05-18T15:43:27 < effractur> you have to license
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2014-05-18T15:46:34 < owl-v-> f...
2014-05-18T15:47:07 < owl-v-> but if i don't use logo? no fee?
2014-05-18T15:47:22 < effractur> "THE USB-IF LOGOS MAY BE USED ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH PRODUCTS WHICH HAVE PASSED USB-IF COMPLIANCE TESTING AND ARE CURRENTLY ON THE INTEGRATORS LIST. THIS REQUIRES THAT THE COMPANY BE ASSIGNED A USB VENDOR ID NUMBER.
2014-05-18T15:47:26 < effractur> "
2014-05-18T15:47:48 < jpa-> owl-v-: no logo and don't claim that it is USB, then you should be fine
2014-05-18T15:48:03 < jpa-> depending on your country, there might of might not be a trademark on USB name
2014-05-18T15:48:03 < owl-v-> like arduino?
2014-05-18T15:48:20 < effractur> arduino
2014-05-18T15:48:21 < effractur> is using
2014-05-18T15:48:24 < effractur> the ftdi chip
2014-05-18T15:48:36 < owl-v-> arduino is the final product
2014-05-18T15:48:37 < effractur> not there own implementation
2014-05-18T15:48:41 < jpa-> dunno how arduino goes, i guess they might go with ftdi id's, but not sure if the compliance testing needs to be done anyway
2014-05-18T15:49:10 < effractur> as long as you don't
2014-05-18T15:49:12 < effractur> put the logo on there
2014-05-18T15:49:16 < effractur> you should be fine
2014-05-18T15:49:25 < jpa-> effractur: you know
2014-05-18T15:49:26 < jpa-> lines
2014-05-18T15:49:27 < jpa-> can
2014-05-18T15:49:29 < jpa-> contain
2014-05-18T15:49:30 < jpa-> multiple
2014-05-18T15:49:31 < jpa-> words
2014-05-18T15:49:37 < effractur> yes
2014-05-18T15:49:39 < Steffanx> lies
2014-05-18T15:49:41 < effractur> i am aware of that
2014-05-18T15:49:41 < Steffanx> jpa
2014-05-18T15:50:03 < Steffanx> and not all arduinos use that ftdi stuff, iirc there are a few with some avr with usb.
2014-05-18T15:50:39 < effractur> correct
2014-05-18T15:50:41 < effractur> but i don't see
2014-05-18T15:50:43 < effractur> the usb logo
2014-05-18T15:50:46 < effractur> on there packaging
2014-05-18T15:50:50 < jpa-> most of the time no-one will care if you are a small business; and if you are a big business, everyone will be demanding your money anyway with all ridiculous patents and trademarks that they can come up with
2014-05-18T15:50:54 < Steffanx> lol effractur :P
2014-05-18T15:51:12 < effractur> so if you don't use there logo you should be fine
2014-05-18T15:51:14 < effractur> Steffanx: :D
2014-05-18T15:52:46 < effractur> but jpa- some companys allow sub id's
2014-05-18T15:53:17 < jpa-> sure, the id is not the hard part at all
2014-05-18T15:53:35 < jpa-> if you don't care about licensing, you can just pick any random id of a dead company and be just fine
2014-05-18T15:54:28 < dongs>  effractur> not there own implementation
2014-05-18T15:54:45 < dongs> effractur: later tarduinos used atmega8u32 or someshit to do faux usb serial
2014-05-18T15:54:53 < dongs> that is definitely "their own" implementation
2014-05-18T15:54:58 < effractur> well
2014-05-18T15:55:06 < dongs> duno if they ever bothered certifying it
2014-05-18T15:55:11 < dongs> i mean, they didnt bother SIGNING THEIR WINDOWS DRIVERS
2014-05-18T15:55:14 < dongs> until like few months ago
2014-05-18T15:55:20 < dongs> while windows required signing since like 2000
2014-05-18T15:55:26 < effractur> well there are commen usb id's
2014-05-18T15:55:30 < dongs> no
2014-05-18T15:55:30 < effractur> for serial ports and mouses
2014-05-18T15:55:34 < dongs> incorrect
2014-05-18T15:55:42 < jpa-> incorrect indeed
2014-05-18T15:55:50 < dongs> VCP will need INF on windows, regardless if its 'standard' or not.
2014-05-18T15:55:53 < effractur> na there is something about that
2014-05-18T15:55:57 < dongs> USB HID won't need a signed driver
2014-05-18T15:56:02 < dongs> but comport will.
2014-05-18T15:56:13 < jpa-> the class drivers are common, but that has nothing to do with the ID
2014-05-18T15:57:19 < Steffanx> http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids .. arduino is there \o/
2014-05-18T15:59:15 < Steffanx> oh, that is not some official list. :(
2014-05-18T16:00:00 < dongs> One improvement in updating the chip is that, previously, Mac users needed to install FTDI drivers. The 8u2 imitates a 'generic' CDC serial device. So now, Mac users do not have to install a driver. Windows users still need to install the .INF file but luckily there are no drivers. This means there will be fewer problems with new versions of windows. There is no way to have a serial USB device that doesn't require an INF file in windows, sadly :(
2014-05-18T16:00:06 < dongs> haha
2014-05-18T16:00:13 < dongs> yeah, poor mac users don't need to isntal ldrivers
2014-05-18T16:00:37 < dongs> https://code.google.com/p/arduino/downloads/list
2014-05-18T16:00:49 < dongs> the download numbers pretty much show
2014-05-18T16:00:58 < dongs> that almost nobody gives a fuck about osx version
2014-05-18T16:01:10 < dongs> and even less so about lunix version
2014-05-18T16:02:13 < jpa-> why would anyone download the linux version from there when you can just apt-get it?
2014-05-18T16:02:54 < zyp> I guess this means that if you use windows, you should use arduino
2014-05-18T16:02:56 < owl-v-> i think the linux kernel includes the drivers
2014-05-18T16:03:13 < owl-v-> no need separate installation
2014-05-18T16:04:09 < jpa-> still need the arduino ide for real arduino experience
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2014-05-18T16:23:48 < owl-v-> jpa-: running an application? u don't need arduino ide.
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2014-05-18T16:24:53 < Steffanx> but the application does not write itself, nor loads itself
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2014-05-18T16:42:05 < dongs> urr
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2014-05-18T16:43:09 < aadamson> is there really such a thing as an *arduino application*, I thought everything was pretty much a one-off
2014-05-18T16:43:31 < aadamson> and I agree with Steffanx ^
2014-05-18T16:43:36 < dongs> sadly, even "production" shit like "3d printers" still require building shit inside tarduino IDE...
2014-05-18T16:43:49 < Tectu> "... agree with Steffanx ..."   <--- lol
2014-05-18T16:43:50 < dongs> that is so fucked on so many levels
2014-05-18T16:44:03 < Tectu> dongs <3
2014-05-18T16:44:23 < Tectu> dongs <3
2014-05-18T16:44:25 < dongs> im innovating some closed source shit
2014-05-18T16:44:37 < Tectu> so do it
2014-05-18T16:44:39 < Tectu> I *
2014-05-18T16:44:49 < owl-v-> i mean "application" like ardupiolot
2014-05-18T16:45:53 < dongs> lol
2014-05-18T16:45:55 < dongs> application
2014-05-18T16:46:08 < aadamson> ^^ - lol
2014-05-18T16:47:00 < aadamson> that must be like and oxymoron
2014-05-18T16:48:40 < dongs> owl-v-: what are you  innovating now
2014-05-18T16:51:56 < Tectu> tarduino spice dispencer
2014-05-18T17:02:17 < dongs> the spice must flow
2014-05-18T17:03:38 < anick> http://www.virtronics.com.au/Simulator-for-Arduino.html
2014-05-18T17:04:18 < dongs> haha
2014-05-18T17:05:01 < dongs> Limitations :
2014-05-18T17:05:03 < dongs> * Pointers not implemented - some sketches with pointers may run but generally pointers don't work
2014-05-18T17:05:08 < dongs> who teh fuck uses pointers with arduino?
2014-05-18T17:05:13 < dongs> insanity.
2014-05-18T17:06:10 < qyx_> who the fuck can program in c without pointers?
2014-05-18T17:06:14 < dongs> * Other minor issues to do with complicated C++ commands
2014-05-18T17:06:15 < dongs> haha
2014-05-18T17:06:30 < dongs> watch out zyp
2014-05-18T17:06:37 < dongs> dont overcomplicate your C++ too much
2014-05-18T17:06:43 < dongs> arduino simulator might have trouble iwhti t
2014-05-18T17:08:42 < qyx_> why don't they emulate machine code directly?
2014-05-18T17:08:55 < dongs> whats the point of that
2014-05-18T17:09:02 < dongs> they'd need to emualte like 300 instructions per digitalWrite()
2014-05-18T17:09:32 < qyx_> so instead they write c/c++ parser and related things
2014-05-18T17:09:48 < dongs> sure
2014-05-18T17:09:55 < qyx_> which hardly behaves the same way as compiler in arduino ide
2014-05-18T17:10:24 < dongs> its not targeted at pro inventors
2014-05-18T17:10:29 < qyx_> oh
2014-05-18T17:10:34 < dongs> just at fuckwits
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2014-05-18T17:16:43 < zyp> dongs, good
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2014-05-18T17:35:56 < dongs> hm, why is TDK VLF3010 nrnd
2014-05-18T17:35:56 < dongs> did tdk /ragequit coil biz too?
2014-05-18T17:37:31 < dongs> hm seems no
2014-05-18T17:37:34 < dongs> but no similar part
2014-05-18T17:37:41 < dongs> they now have ugly ones with ferrite on both ends
2014-05-18T17:38:14 < dongs> i fucking hate components that arent kawaii
2014-05-18T17:39:27 < owl-v-> dongs: right now i don't have anything to play with except the discovery board. i'm trying to get some sensors and motors.
2014-05-18T17:39:50 < dongs> ?! to do wat
2014-05-18T17:39:52 < dongs> arducopter?
2014-05-18T17:40:19 < owl-v-> "whatever"
2014-05-18T17:40:22 < dongs> haha.
2014-05-18T17:40:36 < dongs> protip: have an acutal goal
2014-05-18T17:42:27 < owl-v-> goal 1) spin a motor. prerequisite -> a motor
2014-05-18T17:42:59 < owl-v-> a motor not available on my table
2014-05-18T17:43:13 < dongs> take apart a vibrator
2014-05-18T17:43:32 < dongs> (prerequisite: girlfriend)
2014-05-18T17:43:41 < owl-v-> lol i don't have.. wait i do have ps3 controller, but i don't want to take it apart
2014-05-18T17:44:08 < dongs> pickup a USB fan at funshop
2014-05-18T17:44:25 < owl-v-> lol '(prerequisite: girlfriend)'
2014-05-18T17:44:36 < dongs> http://www.funshop.co.kr/goods/detail/23628?t=s
2014-05-18T17:44:41 < dongs> motor: acquired
2014-05-18T17:44:41 < superbia> its a prerequsite in western world, not in asia
2014-05-18T17:45:19 < owl-v-> :(
2014-05-18T17:45:56 < dongs> holy shit
2014-05-18T17:46:00 < dongs> i didnt know funshop had more htan one floor
2014-05-18T17:46:08 < dongs> no wonder i missed all the cool shit
2014-05-18T17:46:17 < dongs> i was like this place looks liek a dump
2014-05-18T17:47:15 < owl-v-> i was looking for gear-less motors but most of websites i visited they have geared motors (and servos)
2014-05-18T17:47:32 < dongs> brushed?
2014-05-18T17:47:47 < owl-v-> brushed is fine
2014-05-18T17:47:53 < dongs> oh, their website is trolling with floor shit :(
2014-05-18T17:47:58 < dongs> its just a category.
2014-05-18T17:48:06 < dongs> place is dump: confirmed.
2014-05-18T17:48:28 < owl-v-> which shop?
2014-05-18T17:48:36 < dongs> < dongs> pickup a USB fan at funshop
2014-05-18T17:48:37 < owl-v-> funshop?
2014-05-18T17:48:39 < dongs> y
2014-05-18T17:51:17 < owl-v-> lol they have 3d printers
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2014-05-18T17:51:48 < dongs> yes
2014-05-18T17:51:49 < dongs> i saw it
2014-05-18T17:51:52 < dongs> it was slow as shit
2014-05-18T17:51:57 < dongs> and expensive
2014-05-18T17:52:03 < dongs> they were printing some retarded figurines
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2014-05-18T17:55:35 < owl-v-> ah.. toys for adults...
2014-05-18T18:02:42 < dongs> http://www.stoneagegamer.com/3do-usb-adapter-panasonic-fz-10.html w hat hte fuck whyt $200
2014-05-18T18:07:07 < scrts> dafuq is that?
2014-05-18T18:07:43 < dongs> if i understand it, it replaces spinning cdrom wiht USB stick with isos
2014-05-18T18:08:33 < scrts> maybe the uC there is known?
2014-05-18T18:10:09 < zyp> sure it is, it's an stm32
2014-05-18T18:10:37 < dongs> <zyp> i coded the firmware
2014-05-18T18:10:54 < zyp> no, I'm just looking at the pic
2014-05-18T18:11:04 < dongs> oh
2014-05-18T18:11:06 < zyp> if you look closely, you can see the arm logo on it, upside down
2014-05-18T18:11:08 < dongs> i didnt notice there was a back pic
2014-05-18T18:11:21 < zyp> it's probably an f4 with the ulpi phy next to it
2014-05-18T18:11:36 < dongs> jesus
2014-05-18T18:11:38 < dongs> those caps
2014-05-18T18:11:53 < dongs> what an odd fucking size
2014-05-18T18:12:18 < dongs> ulpi interface? I doubt it. where's  crystals
2014-05-18T18:12:32 < zyp> it advertises HS
2014-05-18T18:12:48 < zyp> and it's hooked to usb with a parallel bus to mcu
2014-05-18T18:13:04 < dongs> hm.
2014-05-18T18:13:16 < zyp> crystal probably under black shit on other side
2014-05-18T18:13:21 < dongs> oh, duh, xtal is right there for hte mcu
2014-05-18T18:13:29 < dongs> maybe they're clocking shit from mco or something
2014-05-18T18:13:35 < zyp> maybe
2014-05-18T18:14:01 < owl-v-> lol action figure of Darwin robot >> http://youtu.be/a2rR89b3hQw
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2014-05-18T18:22:19 < dongs> fail
2014-05-18T18:28:11 < dongs> haha
2014-05-18T18:28:27 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM128/CL1746/SC583/PF220900 "STDP60xx includes an integrated x86 OCM "
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2014-05-18T18:34:53 < effractur> lol
2014-05-18T18:34:59 < effractur> so you could boot linux on it ;p
2014-05-18T18:35:07 < dongs> hoefully nto
2014-05-18T18:35:09 < dongs> not
2014-05-18T18:35:36 < Laurenceb> you can boot linux on arduino
2014-05-18T18:36:21 < superbia> Laurenceb: only on arduino zero.. or more powerfull arduino implementations.. but not on the stock ones
2014-05-18T18:36:30 < effractur> also the stock ones
2014-05-18T18:36:44 < superbia> 8 bit shitmel's atmegas ?
2014-05-18T18:36:47 < effractur> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
2014-05-18T18:36:49 < effractur> y
2014-05-18T18:36:51 < superbia> fuck me
2014-05-18T18:37:06 < dongs> lol @refreshing sdram with tarduino
2014-05-18T18:37:10 < effractur> 2 hour boot
2014-05-18T18:37:15 < Laurenceb> yes that
2014-05-18T18:37:28 < Laurenceb> lolz
2014-05-18T18:38:02 < Laurenceb> it needs to be done with an arduino shield for full epic fail
2014-05-18T18:38:11 < dongs> needs tarduino mega
2014-05-18T18:38:17 < dongs> but I think i just got a dickstarter idea
2014-05-18T18:38:24 < superbia> mega 2560 !
2014-05-18T18:38:27 < dongs> 2 hour lunix boot shield for arduino mega
2014-05-18T18:38:38 < dongs> dont beat me to it
2014-05-18T18:38:39 < superbia> liGNUx !
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2014-05-18T18:38:47 < superbia> why u misspell it as lunix
2014-05-18T18:39:18 < dongs> http://kythuatphancung.vn/uploads/download/bfef3_Compal_LA-6601P.pdf
2014-05-18T18:40:36 < dongs> haha its dell alienware m17 schematic according to the internets
2014-05-18T18:40:59 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-05-18T18:41:07 < Laurenceb> BGA989 Balls
2014-05-18T18:41:10 < Laurenceb> shiittt
2014-05-18T18:42:52 < scrts> not so much...
2014-05-18T18:42:59 < scrts> 1576 is more impressive :>
2014-05-18T18:43:21 < dongs> Need to confired
2014-05-18T18:43:22 < dongs> when Intel spec release.
2014-05-18T18:43:25 < dongs> "confired"
2014-05-18T18:43:26 < dongs> lol'd
2014-05-18T18:44:34 < dongs> http://kythuatphancung.vn/download/danh-muc/laptop-schematics.html that viet site is pretty cool
2014-05-18T18:50:29 < synic> what is the last page address on stm32f030 (16kb)?  0x08023c00 is not it?
2014-05-18T18:50:46 < dongs> um
2014-05-18T18:51:24 < dongs> remove the 2
2014-05-18T18:51:35 < dongs> -> 0
2014-05-18T18:51:43 < dongs> 8003c00 ?
2014-05-18T18:51:53 < synic> but doesn't it start at 0x08020000?
2014-05-18T18:52:18 < dongs> eh, i duno about f03 but I thought all flash started at 8000000 or wahtever
2014-05-18T18:53:29 < synic> hrmm
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2014-05-18T19:03:26 < dongs> owl-v-: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2885334/ y/n/m
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2014-05-18T20:05:47 < rewolff1> I just started using EXTI interrupts. (have SPI, in this project and UART and timer in another project working).
2014-05-18T20:05:47 < rewolff1> I'm now getting around 1 million interrupts per second.... It seems the "reset" isn't working. On the other hand, with the signal stable, it should start doing weird things only after the first edge, right?
2014-05-18T20:05:58 < rewolff1> void exti15_10_isr (void)
2014-05-18T20:05:58 < rewolff1> {
2014-05-18T20:05:58 < rewolff1>   exti_reset_request (EXTI12);
2014-05-18T20:05:58 < rewolff1>   exti_reset_request (0xfffff);
2014-05-18T20:05:58 < rewolff1>   pcnt = 0;
2014-05-18T20:05:58 < rewolff1>   npci++;
2014-05-18T20:05:58 < rewolff1> }
2014-05-18T20:06:28 < rewolff1> I see  npci increasing by about 800k every second.
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2014-05-18T20:20:36 < Steffanx> i dont see an error in that code, i guess the reset of all channels is just some test code?
2014-05-18T20:20:52 < Steffanx> Sure your trigger source is the right pin etc.?
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2014-05-18T20:48:57 < emeb_mac> what does exti_reset_request() do?
2014-05-18T20:49:05 < emeb_mac> just write the PR register?
2014-05-18T20:52:25 < Steffanx> yes
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2014-05-18T20:57:20 < emeb_mac> why the 2nd call with 0xffff?
2014-05-18T20:58:01 < Steffanx> to be sure they are reset i guess
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2014-05-18T20:59:16 < emeb_mac> not needed in my experience
2014-05-18T21:00:11 < Steffanx> No, but i guess rewolff1 did that to be 100% sure ;)
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2014-05-18T21:01:05 < rewolff1> Correct!
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2014-05-18T21:01:50 < rewolff1> Although I can dump the "EXTI" module memory space....
2014-05-18T21:01:51 < rewolff1> 40013c00:  00 10 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 00
2014-05-18T21:01:51 < rewolff1> I can see that only bit12 is enabled.
2014-05-18T21:02:02 < rewolff1> which is the one I want.
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2014-05-18T21:02:25 < rewolff1> Hmm. THat was supposed to be GPIOB12
2014-05-18T21:02:36 < rewolff1> That would mean I need a "1" or a "2" somewhere, right?
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2014-05-18T21:03:06 < rewolff1> Not there! It seems it would then be triggering on PA12. Lets see what's on there... :-)
2014-05-18T21:03:32 < rewolff1> USBD+ !
2014-05-18T21:04:01 < rewolff1> Apparently I'm seeing about a million transitions on that pin.... While the USB module continues to work....
2014-05-18T21:04:10 < rewolff1> Starting to like the STM32 more and more.
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2014-05-18T21:05:01 < rewolff1> (PCs handle about 100k interrupts per second. No matter if you bought it in 1996 or 2004. (haven't checked much more recent))
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2014-05-18T21:06:00 < karlp> pretty sure that's completely full of shit.
2014-05-18T21:06:38 < karlp> or at least, not what you were trying to say
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2014-05-18T21:08:09 < rewolff1> PCs CAN only handle about 100k interrupts per second. That's what I measured with a stuck-level-sensitive-interrupt-line.
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2014-05-18T21:08:45 < rewolff1> Anyway, the "which port to monitor" bits don't live in the exti module, but in the sysconfig module.
2014-05-18T21:08:58 < rewolff1> But there too they are not set. I have a lead to follow!
2014-05-18T21:09:03 < rewolff1> Thanks for the help!
2014-05-18T21:09:07 < Steffanx> exti_select_source .. .?
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2014-05-18T21:16:01 < emeb_mac> Steffanx: exti_select_source... what lib is that from?
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2014-05-18T21:17:31 < Steffanx> libopencm3
2014-05-18T21:18:03 < Steffanx> I guessed that's what he is using because the other functions seem to be from libopencm3
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2014-05-18T21:20:34 < emeb_mac> thot so
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2014-05-18T21:27:00 < rewolff1> @steffanx: correct.
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2014-05-18T21:32:00 < qyx_> i was about to..
2014-05-18T21:32:16 < qyx_> isnt there some join flood protection on freenode?
2014-05-18T21:32:31 < Steffanx> He's not flooding enough i guess
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2014-05-18T21:33:17 < Steffanx> hmm, he can still join :S
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2014-05-18T21:34:16 < gxti> you missed the ~
2014-05-18T21:34:17 < qyx_> /b *owl*@*
2014-05-18T21:34:21 < Steffanx> yeah i guess
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2014-05-18T21:34:31 < gxti> just do /ban username and your irc client do it right
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2014-05-18T21:35:06 < qyx_> and also the second one
2014-05-18T21:35:09 < qyx_> with _
2014-05-18T21:35:13 <@Steffanx> i thought that failed last time, but i guess i was wrong.
2014-05-18T21:35:19 <@Steffanx> no, this should work.
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2014-05-18T21:46:10 < rewolff1>   rcc_periph_clock_enable (RCC_SYSCFG);
2014-05-18T21:46:10 < rewolff1> Duh!
2014-05-18T21:47:32 < Steffanx> Classic one :P
2014-05-18T21:49:28 < emeb_mac> now it's the 1st thing to check
2014-05-18T21:49:45 < emeb_mac> right up there with "did you plug it in?"
2014-05-18T21:50:07 < rewolff1> I haven't been hit by that enough times yet.
2014-05-18T21:50:16 < rewolff1> On the other hand, this one is tricky.
2014-05-18T21:50:30 < rewolff1> I was using the exti module, and had enabled its clock (I think).
2014-05-18T21:50:47 < rewolff1> but part of this module apparently lives in the syscfg module. Weird!
2014-05-18T21:51:35 < rewolff1> Anyway, I should learn to recognize "all registers read 0" as "did you enable the clock"?
2014-05-18T21:52:59 < upgrdman> also... iirc, the only thing you can poke without enabling a clock is the RCC :)
2014-05-18T21:53:33 < rewolff1> LOL. yeah, that would do it.....
2014-05-18T21:53:55 < gxti> would be a lot easier if it just faulted instead
2014-05-18T21:56:21 < emeb_mac> +1
2014-05-18T21:57:30 < emeb_mac> got some source for an F100-based product that's done w/o use of external libs (StdPeriph, libopencm3, etc). Surprisingly tiny binary...
2014-05-18T21:57:46 < Steffanx> Aren't there others around that do fault when you try to access an unclocked periperhal?
2014-05-18T21:57:48 < Steffanx> lpc?
2014-05-18T21:58:51 < Steffanx> No, "stolen" headers with register definitions etc. emeb_mac ?
2014-05-18T21:59:35 < emeb_mac> Steffanx: just stm32f10x.h
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2014-05-18T22:00:55 < emeb_mac> dunno if that counts as "stolen" or not.
2014-05-18T22:01:11 < gxti> that's what i do
2014-05-18T22:01:29 < gxti> not so tiny because of all of the other libs of course...
2014-05-18T22:02:02 < emeb_mac> it doesn't seem that much harder or difficult to read than using stdperiph
2014-05-18T22:02:08 < Steffanx> didn't you use CoOS gxti ?
2014-05-18T22:02:33 < emeb_mac> just that you can't use the ST examples as starting point. :P
2014-05-18T22:02:36 < Steffanx> in combination with those headers?
2014-05-18T22:02:43 < gxti> coos doesn't have any stm32 stuff at all
2014-05-18T22:02:51 < Steffanx> One shouldn't do that anyway emeb_mac ;)
2014-05-18T22:03:05 < upgrdman> emeb_mac: did the person write his own lib, it it just a bunch on non-abstracted register poking?
2014-05-18T22:03:19 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: that person is me.
2014-05-18T22:03:33 < emeb_mac> and it's just register poking.
2014-05-18T22:03:52 < Steffanx> Register poking is nice :)
2014-05-18T22:03:58 < upgrdman> o ok. "got some source for..." sounded like you got it from someone else.
2014-05-18T22:04:00 < emeb_mac> with the proper structures and bit defines from the ST header
2014-05-18T22:04:13 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: ya - that was ambiguous
2014-05-18T22:04:16 < Steffanx> It can me more clear than all this struct stuff from peripheral lib
2014-05-18T22:04:26 < Steffanx> *be
2014-05-18T22:05:09 < Steffanx> And why this guy decided to do it this way, emeb_mac ?
2014-05-18T22:07:32 < emeb_mac> Steffanx: it was an experiment to see how much fat could be trimmed by not using stdperiph
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2014-05-18T22:08:24 < emeb_mac> originally tried it with stdperiph, then replaced their stuff w/ direct access. cut size about 1/2
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2014-05-18T22:10:16 < rewolff1> I now have 2800 bytes "code-I've-written" (i.e. from main.c), and the binary has just over 32k of program text....
2014-05-18T22:10:46 < rewolff1> (=3% of my flash memory).
2014-05-18T22:11:22 < rewolff1> Tomorrow I'll port the code to an '030, but throwing out printf and usb will help in getting it below 32k.. :-)
2014-05-18T22:13:41 < Steffanx> Will we see it on CO.net soon rewolff1 ? :d
2014-05-18T22:15:08 < karlp> co.net?
2014-05-18T22:15:30 < Steffanx> circuitsonline.net , some dutchy EE forum.
2014-05-18T22:15:48 < scrts> btw, do you read any chinese forums
2014-05-18T22:15:48 < scrts> ?
2014-05-18T22:15:53 < emeb_mac> f030 is a very cheap, but very stripped-down version of STM32.
2014-05-18T22:16:04 < Steffanx> no, you scrts ?
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2014-05-18T22:19:54 < scrts> have found one once
2014-05-18T22:20:00 < scrts> can't remember the link
2014-05-18T22:20:08 < scrts> google translator helped there a lot :)
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2014-05-18T23:34:05 < qyx_> hm, any simple filesystem for nor/nand flashes?
2014-05-18T23:36:17 < scrts> raw!
2014-05-18T23:36:30 < gxti> it's RAWWWWWW
2014-05-18T23:37:05 < qyx_> pffff
2014-05-18T23:37:18 < gxti> fatfs is pretty stripped down, and you can probably turn off a bunch of compat stuff
2014-05-18T23:38:00 < gxti> if you don't have a block layer i guess that would complicate things
2014-05-18T23:42:53 < qyx_> hm, yaffs looks good
2014-05-18T23:43:00 < qyx_> also there is ecc and such things
2014-05-18T23:43:22 < gxti> yeah there are quite a few flash filesystems but i have no idea how big they are in terms of code/ram
2014-05-18T23:43:54 < qyx_> time to find out
2014-05-18T23:48:36 < qyx_> or maybe not, time to finist the board first
2014-05-18T23:50:06 < zippe> qyx_: Flash filesystems tend to be asspensive
2014-05-18T23:50:18 < zippe> For a small design, almost always cheaper to use microsd or eMMC
2014-05-18T23:51:50 < gxti> the microsd/emmc is doing the same thing internally anyway
2014-05-18T23:52:21 < qyx_> i just need to store flash images somewhere
2014-05-18T23:52:22 < gxti> probably with far less than a stm32 has
2014-05-18T23:52:31 < qyx_> and 8mbit nor flash for $50 seems ok for me
2014-05-18T23:53:04 < qyx_> smaller and cheaper than microsd
2014-05-18T23:53:16 < qyx_> $.50
2014-05-18T23:53:20 < gxti> durr
2014-05-18T23:53:22 < gxti> was about to say
2014-05-18T23:54:02 < zippe> If you aren't going to write it a lot, then NOR is fine
2014-05-18T23:54:09 < zippe> Just dump your stuff on it and be done
2014-05-18T23:54:19 < gxti> do you really need a filesystem for that? sounds like it's written extremely rarely and only in big chunks
2014-05-18T23:54:45 < qyx_> meh, different versions of backup images and setting files
2014-05-18T23:54:51 < qyx_> i am just lazy
2014-05-18T23:55:00 < qyx_> of course i can use raw nor without fs
2014-05-18T23:55:06 < zippe> < 100K writes, just spam it in
2014-05-18T23:55:11 < qyx_> but super pro fs would be nice
2014-05-18T23:55:32 < gxti> it depends on how paranoid you want to be about power loss
2014-05-18T23:55:56 < qyx_> it will be checksummed either way
2014-05-18T23:56:11 < gxti> yeah but if you have one block that holds metadata and you erase it and power is removed you're boned
2014-05-18T23:56:20 < gxti> but you could just write two copies
2014-05-18T23:56:28 < gxti> erase, write, check, erase, write, check, done
2014-05-18T23:56:49 < qyx_> yep, i was considering doing log-style, write new version first and keep old one
2014-05-18T23:56:57 < qyx_> and erase only if no free space is available
2014-05-18T23:57:02 < qyx_> some sort of garbage collection
2014-05-18T23:57:28 < zippe> qyx_: if you feel like wasting a bunch of time for no benefit, who am I to argue? 8)
2014-05-18T23:57:42 < qyx_> pffff
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2014-05-19T00:08:14 < zippe> qyx_: hey, I decided I hated wiring my car so much I'm building a LIN master / slave network to replace it
2014-05-19T00:11:07 < qyx_> ou, awesome
2014-05-19T00:11:13 < qyx_> hope it will be arduino compatible!
2014-05-19T00:11:36 < qyx_> ok, seems that i will steal jffs/2 from ecos/redboot/uboot
2014-05-19T00:12:27 < zippe> 8)
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2014-05-19T03:15:26 < dongs> si[ [rps
2014-05-19T03:15:28 < dongs> errr
2014-05-19T03:15:29 < dongs> sup pros
2014-05-19T03:16:05 < dongs>  < rewolff1> void exti15_10_isr (void)
2014-05-19T03:16:10 < dongs> libopenaidsstm32 detected
2014-05-19T03:16:21 < dongs> why the fuck would anyone rename ISR vectors???
2014-05-19T03:16:30 < dongs> JUST TO SCRATCH AN ITCH
2014-05-19T03:19:33 < emeb_mac> NIH
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2014-05-19T03:21:24 < emeb_mac> so that any code you write against that library can't be ported to others without renaming lots of unnecessary stuff.
2014-05-19T03:28:35 < dongs> right
2014-05-19T03:28:48 < dongs> BUT ITS LUNIX
2014-05-19T03:31:08 < gxti> or coos
2014-05-19T03:31:09 < gxti> er
2014-05-19T03:31:10 < gxti> chibios
2014-05-19T03:31:15 < gxti> renames all the shit
2014-05-19T03:33:01 < emeb_mac> revise all the things!
2014-05-19T03:33:10 < emeb_mac> my way or the highway!
2014-05-19T03:33:21 < emeb_mac> we know more... than you do.
2014-05-19T03:33:22 < gxti> now that i'm using coos and have to make my own isr vector i just went back to stdperiph naming
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2014-05-19T03:33:49 < emeb_mac> makes sense
2014-05-19T03:35:05 < emeb_mac> how do you like coos?
2014-05-19T03:35:48 < gxti> it's pretty crappy but it gets the job done
2014-05-19T03:41:46 < qyx_> creepy
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2014-05-19T03:45:22 < dongs> it wokrs ifne
2014-05-19T03:45:39 < dongs> i like that it doesnt force shit on you and just stays out of the way
2014-05-19T03:45:54 < dongs> i onyl use it basically for task scheduling and ignore all the other shit in it
2014-05-19T03:46:03 < dongs> just wait handles and mutex type shit
2014-05-19T03:46:56 < gxti> yeah, it works fine. i did find a race condition in one of the primitives.
2014-05-19T03:48:03 < gxti> https://github.com/mtharp/laureline-firmware/commit/2450836ffa9988ae9521c8532dfa4ab04d0b4e80
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2014-05-19T03:48:29 < gxti> could deadlock waiting on a semaphore with a timeout, if i'm remembering it right
2014-05-19T03:48:59 < gxti> other than that it works fine, ugly code though
2014-05-19T03:49:45 < gxti> and it's not really any better than chibios' core. i'm using it because it's permissively licensed.
2014-05-19T03:50:06 < dongs> :)
2014-05-19T03:58:38 < dongs> so youre using it for same reason people  use lunix
2014-05-19T03:58:41 < dongs> its free as in aids
2014-05-19T03:58:50 < dongs> while still sucking
2014-05-19T03:59:24 < gxti> if i wanted aids i'd be using chibios
2014-05-19T03:59:42 < dongs> ya. too kawaii for me.
2014-05-19T04:00:09 < gxti> permissive license (BSD/MIT/apache/whatever) isn't aids because you can use it in real pro software
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2014-05-19T05:49:55 < owl-v-> i was
2014-05-19T05:50:07 < dongs> 03:31 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!owl-v-@220.73.51.108] by Steffanx
2014-05-19T05:50:07 < dongs> 03:34 -!- mode/##stm32 [+b *!~owl-v-@220.73.51.108] by Steffanx
2014-05-19T05:50:08 < dongs> haha
2014-05-19T05:50:14 < dongs> who did you troll?
2014-05-19T05:50:23 < owl-v-> no one
2014-05-19T05:50:30 < dongs> i think your connection trolled you
2014-05-19T05:50:34 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-19T05:51:11 < owl-v-> so i guess my ip address has changed(?)
2014-05-19T05:51:19 < dongs> or ban expired
2014-05-19T05:52:12 < dongs> are you using lunix router?
2014-05-19T05:52:25 < emeb_mac> haha
2014-05-19T05:52:29 < owl-v-> i'm still banned in other client
2014-05-19T05:52:41 < dongs> oh, you changed your ident
2014-05-19T05:52:51 < emeb_mac> owl-v-: so... many... disconnects...
2014-05-19T05:53:01 < dongs> its not like there's much OTHER chats in the channel..
2014-05-19T05:53:01 < emeb_mac> someone got tired of seeing them all
2014-05-19T05:54:59 < emeb_mac> dongs: was digging through old projects the other day - found a bag full of AfroLED parts
2014-05-19T05:55:05 < dongs> .nice
2014-05-19T05:55:08 < emeb_mac> need to build the other two boards up
2014-05-19T05:55:15 < emeb_mac> do some code to chain them.
2014-05-19T05:56:57 < dongs> i havent touched it since i did poc like a year ago
2014-05-19T05:56:57 < dongs> or whatever
2014-05-19T05:57:04 < dongs> tis still sitting here dusty
2014-05-19T05:58:25 < emeb_mac> yep - too many projects competing for brainshare
2014-05-19T06:00:00 < owl-v-> DONG! -> http://youtu.be/MbVAKs1hF5o
2014-05-19T06:00:30 < dongs> garbage
2014-05-19T06:00:32 < dongs> closed after 5 seconds
2014-05-19T06:00:36 < dongs> annoying voice
2014-05-19T06:00:45 < owl-v-> mute?
2014-05-19T06:01:14 < dongs> then wahts the point of watching
2014-05-19T06:17:55 < owl-v-> setting my goal: capture image from ov7725 and send it to computer.
2014-05-19T06:18:58 < owl-v-> prerequisite: (ov7725)
2014-05-19T06:19:32 < owl-v-> acquired
2014-05-19T06:20:28 < owl-v-> interface: DCMI, GPIO, USB(or uart+ftdi)
2014-05-19T06:26:36 < owl-v-> actually... nvm usb
2014-05-19T06:28:15 < owl-v-> 1.8" tft lcd display first
2014-05-19T06:36:19 < emeb_mac> yeah - someday I want to play with DCMI
2014-05-19T06:36:46 < emeb_mac> hook it direct to an FPGA and use for fast data input...
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2014-05-19T06:40:35 < dongs> fuck
2014-05-19T06:40:44 < dongs> i moved some interrupt code around and now my i2c driver is shitting itself
2014-05-19T06:40:50 < dongs> some failware race condition probably
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2014-05-19T06:41:22 < dongs> i shoudl stop using laurencb code
2014-05-19T06:41:35 < dongs> like who ever thought it was good idea.
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2014-05-19T06:55:33 < dongs> so where's some good i2c code for F1
2014-05-19T06:55:39 < dongs> thats been tried and true and tested etc.
2014-05-19T07:00:33 < emeb_mac> is there such thing?
2014-05-19T07:01:25 < emeb_mac> why is STM32 I2C such a POS?
2014-05-19T07:01:50 < emeb_mac> needs to have its hand held by the CPU for every little stupid thing
2014-05-19T07:02:02 < dongs> looking at keil i2c driver
2014-05-19T07:02:03 < dongs> 38k .c
2014-05-19T07:02:06 < dongs> christ.
2014-05-19T07:02:09 < dongs> and only supports DMA or IRQ
2014-05-19T07:02:17 < dongs> (which I suspect breaks, if you have too many IRQs
2014-05-19T07:02:23 < emeb_mac> likely
2014-05-19T07:02:43 < dongs> luckily i've got bitbanged i2c.
2014-05-19T07:02:45 < dongs> which works.
2014-05-19T07:02:47 < dongs> ...
2014-05-19T07:02:49 < emeb_mac> right
2014-05-19T07:03:09 < emeb_mac> zyps code?
2014-05-19T07:03:15 < dongs> zyp has bitbang i2c?
2014-05-19T07:03:18 < dongs> no, Laurenceb__ code.
2014-05-19T07:03:22 < emeb_mac> ah
2014-05-19T07:03:25 < dongs> bitbang is mine
2014-05-19T07:03:29 < dongs> well, i mean, its not liek its hars.
2014-05-19T07:03:31 < dongs> ahrd.
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2014-05-19T07:13:53 < dongs> since i'm polling anyway
2014-05-19T07:14:01 < dongs> does regular polling driver affect by irq crap?
2014-05-19T07:21:22 < dongs> or fuckit, im just goint to software i2c
2014-05-19T07:24:40 < jpa-> laurenceb code that works.. no way
2014-05-19T07:26:38 < dongs> haha.
2014-05-19T07:26:42 < dongs> wtf is shithub down
2014-05-19T07:26:44 < dongs> i cant commit
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2014-05-19T07:33:11 < dongs> lol 16gig memory in use
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2014-05-19T07:50:45 < dongs> well thats fucking great
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2014-05-19T09:10:09 < englishman> sounds like google chrome
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2014-05-19T09:13:25 < dongs> no, more like shitty fucking nvidia drivers
2014-05-19T09:13:36 < dongs> shitting itself while driving 2 4k displays
2014-05-19T09:13:41 < dongs> first world problems, i know
2014-05-19T09:26:26 < owl-v-> when i'm trying to use SPI, i see NSS but i don't see CS or SS
2014-05-19T09:27:48 < englishman> is there a difference between NSS and CS
2014-05-19T09:27:59 < englishman> liek, is there a difference between owl-v- and beaky
2014-05-19T09:28:40 < owl-v-> beaky is a nickname given by "dongs"
2014-05-19T09:28:59 < owl-v-> alias beaky="owl-v-"
2014-05-19T09:30:18 < dongs> NSS = !SS = CS = SS
2014-05-19T09:30:40 < owl-v-> n is for 'not'
2014-05-19T09:30:45 < owl-v-> not gate
2014-05-19T09:31:03 < dongs> n is for "active fucking low"
2014-05-19T09:31:21 < dongs> which happens to be the usual mode for CS as well
2014-05-19T09:31:23 < DanteA> !SS = SS
2014-05-19T09:31:39 < DanteA> New logic law
2014-05-19T09:31:42 < dongs> yes
2014-05-19T09:31:48 < dongs> also owl-v- = beaky
2014-05-19T09:31:53 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-19T09:33:31 < owl-v-> how do i set SS with nSS? (assuming not using other parts like logic-gates)
2014-05-19T09:34:30 < DanteA> You are new Nobel's laureate, dongie
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2014-05-19T09:35:57 < dongs> owl-v-: wuat. just make it high or low. with gpio and shit.
2014-05-19T09:37:40 < owl-v-> :( i wanted to use hardware ss
2014-05-19T09:37:55 < owl-v-> fine, i'll just use gpio
2014-05-19T09:38:52 < owl-v-> that's 5 pins for SPI
2014-05-19T09:39:26 < PaulFertser> Hardware CS usually sucks so much that many embedded Linux (the kernel) drivers just do it all in software.
2014-05-19T09:44:16 < dongs> hardware CS?
2014-05-19T09:44:19 < dongs> are you a slave?
2014-05-19T09:44:24 < dongs> master doesnt evne do anything with hardware cs
2014-05-19T09:45:02 < owl-v-> hm... cs for slaves?
2014-05-19T09:45:15 < DanteA> Yeah
2014-05-19T09:45:17 < owl-v-> nss for slaves...
2014-05-19T09:45:22 < DanteA> Not
2014-05-19T09:45:34 < owl-v-> not?
2014-05-19T09:46:25 < DanteA> It's all just a mechanism for select slave devices, connected to one bus
2014-05-19T09:47:13 < PaulFertser> dongs: I meant hardware CS control, i.e. when the master is driving slaves' CSs in hardware as opposed to bitbanging.
2014-05-19T09:48:18 < anick> PaulFertser: why does hardware CS suck ? I thought the only problem with hardware CS is that it is often unimplemented.
2014-05-19T09:48:53 < anick> ah. nevermind. reading failure.
2014-05-19T09:49:03 < dongs> PaulFertser: that works on stm32??
2014-05-19T09:49:36 < DanteA> It's linux stuff
2014-05-19T09:49:42 < PaulFertser> dongs: I was talking about bigger SoCs that run Linux.
2014-05-19T09:49:50 < DanteA> Yeah
2014-05-19T09:50:55 < DanteA> But I'm still not understand, why it's sucks
2014-05-19T09:57:05 < owl-v-> maybe because whoever wrote the driver is a software guy and not hardware guy?
2014-05-19T09:57:40 < owl-v-> G.U.Y.
2014-05-19T09:57:50 < owl-v-> >> gaga
2014-05-19T09:59:08 < owl-v-> there should be a way to toogle between SS and NSS...
2014-05-19T09:59:09 < dongs> or a lunix guy
2014-05-19T10:00:17 < owl-v-> maybe CS(computer science) guy and not an engineer
2014-05-19T10:00:53 < effractur> what makes hardware CS better vs just bitbanging
2014-05-19T10:01:41 < owl-v-> bitbanging = cpu usage
2014-05-19T10:01:51 < owl-v-> u can't use DMA with bit banging
2014-05-19T10:02:07 < effractur> a isee
2014-05-19T10:02:09 < dongs> you can use bitbanding and DMA
2014-05-19T10:02:26 < dongs> but holy fuck youre not going to notice performane drop from toggling a gpio
2014-05-19T10:02:29 < dongs> its like 3 instructions
2014-05-19T10:02:34 < dongs> GPIOx->ODR = nigger
2014-05-19T10:02:49 < dongs> STM32F103RCT6  ST  13+  1.6K  US2.15  STK
2014-05-19T10:02:51 < dongs> not a bad deal
2014-05-19T10:03:02 < dongs> FT232RLR-C  FTDI  13+  4K  US2.35  STK
2014-05-19T10:03:08 < dongs> total rip, why would anyone still use FTDI in 2014
2014-05-19T10:03:08 < owl-v-> not just 3 instructions
2014-05-19T10:03:14 < dongs> yes just 3 instructions
2014-05-19T10:04:02 < owl-v-> 3 instructions + jump-n-link or context-switching
2014-05-19T10:04:17 < owl-v-> context-switching is quite expensive
2014-05-19T10:08:54 < owl-v-> i can't find stm32 peripheral priority
2014-05-19T10:12:31 < emeb_mac> gah - bunnie's novena "laptop"
2014-05-19T10:13:00 < emeb_mac> more like "expensive, underpowered laptop-sized box of fail"
2014-05-19T10:13:24 < gnomad> more like "oscilloscope in an unusual form factor"
2014-05-19T10:13:57 < emeb_mac> lol
2014-05-19T10:14:45 < gnomad> I bet rms has got a stiffy.
2014-05-19T10:15:09 < PaulFertser> He used it as a primary workstation while reversing an SD embedded controller. And it was a perfect fit for the purpose.
2014-05-19T10:15:52 < owl-v-> emeb_mac: quote=>"if u can't hack it, u don't own it"  >>  http://youtu.be/ITAJ2Ud4zp8
2014-05-19T10:16:18 < gnomad> but seriously, when you consider what it is capable of compared to standalone logic analyzers and scopes, it's actually kinda cheap
2014-05-19T10:16:44 < PaulFertser> And handy. And hackable and extensible.
2014-05-19T10:16:54 < gnomad> and in terms of speed, even my 7 year old laptop is just fine for embedded development.
2014-05-19T10:17:16 < gnomad> I spend more time waiting for web pages to render than for code to compile.
2014-05-19T10:19:27 < DanteA> :)
2014-05-19T10:20:23 < owl-v-> the F.? STM32 SPI has NSS but in diagram, Master has CS. >> http://www.gaw.ru/pdf/The_Insiders_Guide_to_the_STM32_ARM-based_Microcontroller_Hitex.pdf
2014-05-19T10:20:36 < owl-v-> how am i suppose to use CS?
2014-05-19T10:22:35 < emeb_mac> gnomad: I've been using various embedded ARM linux systems for the last few years.
2014-05-19T10:22:59 < emeb_mac> beagle / beaglebone / etc. They can work fine for some things...
2014-05-19T10:23:37 < gnomad> My cell phone is *far* more powerful than the pdp 11/785 that supported my entire college campus
2014-05-19T10:24:09 < DanteA> Which distribution are you using? angstrom?
2014-05-19T10:24:22 < emeb_mac> angstrom - yes.
2014-05-19T10:24:38 < emeb_mac> nice, tight little distro with a good repo system
2014-05-19T10:24:49 < dongs> < emeb_mac> more like "expensive, underpowered laptop-sized box of fail"
2014-05-19T10:24:50 < DanteA> Looks like he is not supported now
2014-05-19T10:24:52 < dongs> you fucking called it
2014-05-19T10:24:55 < dongs> complete and utter fail
2014-05-19T10:24:56 < dongs> BUT ITS OPENSORES
2014-05-19T10:25:02 < dongs> AND RUNS LUNIX!!111111onEONEONELEVELNTNVENytly
2014-05-19T10:25:09 < gnomad> hence the rms stiffy
2014-05-19T10:26:49 < dongs> emeb_mac: did you hear, i purchased a macmini
2014-05-19T10:27:07 < emeb_mac> dongs: yes - you mentioned it.
2014-05-19T10:27:11 < dongs> k
2014-05-19T10:27:18 < dongs> just making sure my new sexual preference is known
2014-05-19T10:27:21 < emeb_mac> how do you like it?
2014-05-19T10:27:34 < dongs> i duno oi have yuet to receeiv iet
2014-05-19T10:27:38 < dongs> typical scambay fail
2014-05-19T10:27:41 < dongs> cuz apple didnt want my business
2014-05-19T10:27:42 < dongs> with paypal
2014-05-19T10:28:08 < emeb_mac> lame
2014-05-19T10:28:31 < emeb_mac> you going to run Mac OS X or bootcamp windows on it?
2014-05-19T10:30:12 < zippe> good move on Apple's part.
2014-05-19T10:30:18 < zippe> They do like to be paid.
2014-05-19T10:32:01 < owl-v-> look like my tft display board is for arduino :(
2014-05-19T10:33:02 < zippe> Annoying pic32 pin multiplexing
2014-05-19T10:33:03 < owl-v-> zippe: laid?
2014-05-19T10:33:20 < zippe> owl-v-: not tonight, girl is on the rag
2014-05-19T10:33:54 < emeb_mac> zippe: got some free samples of pic32mx470 the other day
2014-05-19T10:34:07 < emeb_mac> thinking of doing a little breakout for it.
2014-05-19T10:34:14 < owl-v-> i don't think i have sued multiplexing
2014-05-19T10:34:19 < owl-v-> used
2014-05-19T10:34:28 < owl-v-> f.ing auto correction
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2014-05-19T10:35:36 < owl-v-> never used small package.
2014-05-19T10:36:07 < owl-v-> emeb_mac: when do u get pic32mz?
2014-05-19T10:36:56 < owl-v-> this is pic32 SPI peripheral >> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/61106G.pdf
2014-05-19T10:37:08 < owl-v-> where is STM32's counterpart?
2014-05-19T10:39:01 < emeb_mac> in the reference manual for each family of STM32.
2014-05-19T10:39:26 < emeb_mac> they're all a little different (surprise!) so you need to make sure to look at the right one.
2014-05-19T10:39:32 < zippe> Microchip call it "PPS"
2014-05-19T10:39:50 < emeb_mac> yep. actually kinda handy
2014-05-19T10:39:59 < emeb_mac> not so locked in as STM32
2014-05-19T10:40:07 < zippe> I have just enough pins, as long as I don't mind sharing LIN CS with the bootloader TX line
2014-05-19T10:40:45 < zippe> emeb_mac: I quite like the priority crossbar in the SiLabs devices
2014-05-19T10:41:06 < emeb_mac> hmmm - no experience with those.
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2014-05-19T10:41:48 < zippe> Well, on the downside … it's an 8051
2014-05-19T10:42:00 < emeb_mac> right - main reason I haven't bothered.
2014-05-19T10:42:13 < emeb_mac> I understand they may have some ARM stuff soon tho.
2014-05-19T10:42:17 < zippe> So yes, you have 128K of flash and 8.25K of RAM and 2 CAN, 2 LIN and everything else imaginable
2014-05-19T10:42:25 < zippe> But you have 256B of stack, max
2014-05-19T10:42:30 < emeb_mac> lol
2014-05-19T10:42:46 < zippe> They bought Energy Micro, so yes.
2014-05-19T10:43:02 < zippe> Meanwhile all their interesting parts continue to be 8051
2014-05-19T10:43:19 < zippe> SDCC is pretty tolerable, but it does require a different mindset
2014-05-19T10:43:49 < dongs> SDCC is opensores, right?
2014-05-19T10:44:02 < zippe> Yup
2014-05-19T10:44:49 < emeb_mac> gn
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2014-05-19T10:44:58 < zippe> It can be convinced to share a code dialect with Keil's compiler, so if you are careful and hit a wall, you can get another 15-20% out by swapping tools and coughing up the enormous fee.
2014-05-19T10:45:20 < dongs> isnt there 32k keil demo for 8051?
2014-05-19T10:45:30 < dongs> if youre writing > 32k on ancient trash, you should probably deserve to use sdcc
2014-05-19T10:45:36 < zippe> Heh
2014-05-19T10:45:42 < dongs> amirite? y/y/y
2014-05-19T10:45:59 < zippe> https://github.com/tridge/SiK
2014-05-19T10:46:11 < dongs> yes, i ve seen that before
2014-05-19T10:46:17 < zippe> That was originally my project… I don't hate SDCC because of it
2014-05-19T10:47:11 < zippe> The 32K Keil demo can't build it (it was 2K when I started)
2014-05-19T10:47:28 < dongs> 2k was firmware size? or 2k limit
2014-05-19T10:47:44 < dongs> i dont actually know, i dont directly talk to the dudes who use 8051 keil here but they do exist
2014-05-19T10:47:58 < dongs> (i dont know waht demo limit is)
2014-05-19T10:48:33 < dongs> MSP430F149IPMR  TI  13+   5K  US2.30  STK another obsolete mcu
2014-05-19T10:48:57 < dongs> at this pricei dont see why would anyone choose this over STM32F103RC for example
2014-05-19T10:49:07 < zippe> Smaller package
2014-05-19T10:49:10 < dongs> its not
2014-05-19T10:49:12 < zippe> Existing design, existing codebase
2014-05-19T10:49:15 < dongs> thats a 64pin ms430
2014-05-19T10:49:45 < dongs> 8MHZ?????????????????
2014-05-19T10:49:49 < zippe> si1000 has a better radio than any stm32
2014-05-19T10:49:49 < dongs> is that all msp430 runs atA?
2014-05-19T10:50:17 < zippe> C8051F540 has a better LIN peripheral
2014-05-19T10:50:31 < zippe> Lots of reasons to pick "obsolete" parts
2014-05-19T10:51:58 < dongs> heh
2014-05-19T10:52:07 < dongs> C8051F50 is that silabs part?
2014-05-19T10:52:24 < dongs> we're using something similar for IR receiver on A20 box, because A20 can't receive IR in standby heh
2014-05-19T10:52:58 < dongs> some tiny 20pin or so silabs 8051 thing
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2014-05-19T10:56:45 < zippe> F5 are automotive parts
2014-05-19T10:56:50 < zippe> Maybe an F3 of some sort?
2014-05-19T10:59:18 < scrts_w> missed: F5 of what? STM32?
2014-05-19T10:59:52 < owl-v-> lol i think i found what i want >> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/DM00031020.pdf
2014-05-19T11:00:07 < owl-v-> very large file :P
2014-05-19T11:01:11 < owl-v-> scrts_w: maybe F5 is cortex-R or A5 ?
2014-05-19T11:01:21 < dongs> zippe: i think so, i dont know
2014-05-19T11:01:46 < scrts_w> owl-v-: from ST? :) We use SPC56, but it's from Freescale
2014-05-19T11:01:56 < dongs> C8051F330-GM
2014-05-19T11:01:58 < dongs> looks liek this
2014-05-19T11:02:20 < scrts_w> interesting thing that ST and Freescale were creating MCU together, then separated, so they have the same cpu in their portfolios, but the name differs slightly
2014-05-19T11:02:44 < dongs> hm
2014-05-19T11:02:51 < dongs> still cant figure out how to name hierarchical nets in altium
2014-05-19T11:02:55 < dongs> shit keeps breaking
2014-05-19T11:06:39 < scrts_w> dongs: how do you name the signal?
2014-05-19T11:07:00 < scrts_w> and you want to connect sheet-to-sheet?
2014-05-19T11:07:38 < dongs> its a bit fucked cuz its block inside block inside block
2014-05-19T11:08:12 < dongs> my innwemost block has 2 buses, COL[0..2] and ROW[0..7]
2014-05-19T11:08:27 < dongs> i put those as sheet symbol
2014-05-19T11:08:34 < dongs> name them, HB1, HB2 etc
2014-05-19T11:08:50 < dongs> then i have bus from those 2 ends, name it COL[0..2]_HB1 _HB2 etc
2014-05-19T11:09:44 < dongs> still cant find wehre to click to get a fucking netlist in a bus
2014-05-19T11:11:17 < scrts_w> dongs: the sheets are identical?
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2014-05-19T11:15:00 < dongs> what do you mean?
2014-05-19T11:15:06 < dongs> lemme imgur that shit
2014-05-19T11:17:50 < scrts_w> well, let's say you have 5 sheets, that inside are identical
2014-05-19T11:18:05 < scrts_w> so you can use repeat() command for a single sheet
2014-05-19T11:18:52 < scrts_w> and the in PCB you can use ROOMS - route one sheet and then copy the routing to all the other rooms and save some time on that
2014-05-19T11:20:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dziWDzM.png
2014-05-19T11:20:25 < dongs> yes i plan to do rooms
2014-05-19T11:20:57 < dongs> top leftt is the most nested
2014-05-19T11:21:04 < dongs> right is nest of 5
2014-05-19T11:21:10 < dongs> and 2 of right ones are in the bottom sheet
2014-05-19T11:22:07 < dongs> its giving me shit about a lot of the nets
2014-05-19T11:22:15 < dongs> wehn i compile
2014-05-19T11:23:36 < scrts_w> I presume bus bits cannot be inside the name COL[0..2]_HB1 is wrong. I think it would work if it'd be HB1_COL[0..2]
2014-05-19T11:24:08 < dongs> prefix wsith schematic name instead of suffix?
2014-05-19T11:24:14 < scrts_w> ye...
2014-05-19T11:24:21 < dongs> h, lemem try thqat
2014-05-19T11:24:28 < dongs> waht aoutr indi iau l net names then
2014-05-19T11:24:28 < dongs> same?
2014-05-19T11:24:29 < scrts_w> not sure tho
2014-05-19T11:24:32 < dongs> HB1_COL0 etc?
2014-05-19T11:24:35 < scrts_w> yes
2014-05-19T11:24:47 < dongs> Class	Document	Source	Message	Time	Date	No.
2014-05-19T11:24:47 < dongs> [Error]	hallboard.SchDoc	Compiler	Duplicate Net Names Bus Slice COL[0..2]	5:23:11 PM	5/19/2014	17
2014-05-19T11:24:51 < dongs> it salso doing this
2014-05-19T11:24:58 < dongs> on the most nested block
2014-05-19T11:25:03 < scrts_w> hmm
2014-05-19T11:25:54 < scrts_w> it underlines that part of COL[0..2]
2014-05-19T11:26:23 < scrts_w> dongs: check this: http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Multi-Channel+Design+Concepts
2014-05-19T11:27:04 < dongs> whoa.
2014-05-19T11:27:09 < dongs> ok, looks liek i nbeed to learn this shit up
2014-05-19T11:27:17 < dongs> looks ilek exactly my situation :D
2014-05-19T11:27:22 < scrts_w> ;)
2014-05-19T11:27:28 < scrts_w> I always use repeat
2014-05-19T11:28:18 < scrts_w> and then route only a single sheet -> then copy all to other sheets. It copies everything 1:1 -> component placement, tracks - everything
2014-05-19T11:28:53 < dongs> yes sounds liek the weay to go
2014-05-19T11:30:16 < scrts_w> http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/HW0ayzYHKYY/hqdefault.jpg
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2014-05-19T12:36:11 < karlp> dongs/emeb, the libopencm3 vector names are just matches on the names from the refman, and if you want to use stdperiphlib, you can include libopencmsis/nvic and get the names they use aliased in for you
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2014-05-19T13:31:48 < Steffanx> lol you changed your nick owl-v- :P
2014-05-19T13:31:52 < Steffanx> *username
2014-05-19T13:33:19 < dongs> yes
2014-05-19T13:33:41 < dongs> i taught him how to ban evadfe
2014-05-19T13:34:07 < dongs> Item name  DC Digital Combo Meter Voltmeter Ammeter 0-33V 0-999.9mA 1A 2A 3A High Precision
2014-05-19T13:34:10 < dongs> shipped
2014-05-19T13:34:22 < Steffanx> evadfe ?!
2014-05-19T13:34:26 < dongs> -f
2014-05-19T13:34:32 < owl-v-> Steffanx: and my client to Xchat!
2014-05-19T13:34:35 < GargantuaSauce> ban avadfion is a vital skill
2014-05-19T13:34:36 < dongs> i dont bother correcting obvious mistakes..
2014-05-19T13:35:05 < Steffanx> sometimes you don't know if you mean something weird or just the obvious version :)
2014-05-19T13:36:31 < dongs> understand that the only way to communicate signals to a repeated sheet is from sheet entries on the parent sheet down to matching ports on the child sheet.
2014-05-19T13:36:34 < dongs> oh
2014-05-19T13:36:35 < dongs> i bet this is why my shit is broke
2014-05-19T13:36:44 < dongs> i can only connect it if I put "main" schematic into another sheet
2014-05-19T13:36:55 < dongs> and drag a net on the overview sheet
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2014-05-19T13:49:57 < dongs> hrmnm
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2014-05-19T13:57:41 < dongs> how hte fuck can I see a bus netlist, damn
2014-05-19T14:08:33 < dongs> thier fuckign example dosnt show hwo to repeat buses..
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2014-05-19T14:10:06 < zyp> use a bus repeater
2014-05-19T14:10:14 < dongs> i did
2014-05-19T14:10:16 < dongs> it doesnt fucking work
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2014-05-19T14:28:30 < dongs> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
2014-05-19T14:30:09 < GargantuaSauce> shoulda used kicad
2014-05-19T14:30:15 < dongs> haha kikecad
2014-05-19T14:40:45 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/sites/default/files/wiki_attachments/231556/Repeat%28Row%29%2BSheetSymbol.png
2014-05-19T14:40:55 < dongs> none of their exaples RepeaT() a bus :(
2014-05-19T14:41:02 < dongs> so I have nO fUCkign idea what it gets named into
2014-05-19T14:41:07 < dongs> or how the nets get named
2014-05-19T14:41:16 < dongs> still looking for whre to click to get an actual netlist of shit inside a bus
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2014-05-19T15:36:14 < PaulFertser> Just tried "uLink ME" (or whatever it's called) with OpenOCD (and milandr soc, hehe), works fine in SWD mode.
2014-05-19T15:36:24 < PaulFertser> Thanks to CMSIS-DAP.
2014-05-19T15:37:53 < Laurenceb__> attn dongs
2014-05-19T15:37:58 < Laurenceb__> afro esc is working nicely
2014-05-19T15:38:22 < Laurenceb__> i disabled the temperature monitoring when the motor is running
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2014-05-19T15:57:41 < Steffanx> Theregister.co.uk: UK homeboy creates nuclear meltdown in backyard.
2014-05-19T15:58:24 < dongs> isnt that old
2014-05-19T15:58:41 < Steffanx> this times the homeboy is called: Laurenceb__
2014-05-19T15:58:49 < dongs> oh right
2014-05-19T16:00:02 < Laurenceb__> 28krpm
2014-05-19T16:00:10 < Steffanx> No one ever complained about the name of that ESC dongs?
2014-05-19T16:00:17 < dongs> Steffanx: they did!
2014-05-19T16:00:24 < Steffanx> I'm sure it was a ~dutchy
2014-05-19T16:00:26 < dongs> some niggers were bitchin about slavery and other shit
2014-05-19T16:00:32 < dongs> when shit first landed at HK
2014-05-19T16:00:39 < dongs> their complaints were promptly deleted
2014-05-19T16:01:01 < Steffanx> heh
2014-05-19T16:01:13 < Laurenceb__> the logo is very trolly
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2014-05-19T16:01:19 < dongs> the logo is great
2014-05-19T16:01:48 < Laurenceb__> ^troll
2014-05-19T16:01:49 < Steffanx> Stolen from the interwebs?
2014-05-19T16:02:14 < Laurenceb__> tineye...
2014-05-19T16:02:42 < Steffanx> tinyeye will only find the same image, not similar images
2014-05-19T16:02:58 < dongs> Laurenceb__: google image search can search by image since ages ago
2014-05-19T16:03:34 < Steffanx> yes and it does find similar images... sometimes
2014-05-19T16:05:35 < dongs> http://www.tshirts.in/mart/images/mt_00001-00500/mt00392.gif
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2014-05-19T16:12:05 < Laurenceb__> tshirthell.com?
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2014-05-19T17:08:11 < owl-v-> peace as 'rest in peace'?
2014-05-19T17:17:50 < owl-v-> i love this (sound) >> http://youtu.be/XQN99-k5HI4
2014-05-19T17:19:53 < akaWolf> dongs: but if you have an open source editor, you can go to the sources, find error, and patch it. done. ofcourse, if someone else didn't patch it before (what probably)
2014-05-19T17:21:15 < akaWolf> dongs: but, ofcourse, closed source project are preferable for some persons ;)
2014-05-19T17:22:59 < akaWolf> could not resist :)
2014-05-19T17:23:08 < Steffanx> You ask second best korean should  be into gangam style owl-v-
2014-05-19T17:24:58 < Steffanx> *as
2014-05-19T17:32:08 < owl-v-> Steffanx: ?
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2014-05-19T17:33:06 < Steffanx> You shouldn't listen to that sound/music, but to PSY
2014-05-19T17:44:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vPHm2Oc.png beaky-class project
2014-05-19T17:45:07 < dongs> (yes those are linear hall effect sensors
2014-05-19T17:45:43 < Steffanx> Some in extra special green package?
2014-05-19T17:46:34 < gxti> no that's just altium hilighting dongs massive failure
2014-05-19T17:47:11 < Steffanx> but i dont remember, what was this supposed to be dongs?
2014-05-19T17:47:39 < Steffanx> some table detect something thingy?
2014-05-19T17:48:25 < dongs> gxti: ^^lol yes
2014-05-19T17:48:40 < dongs> i aligned stuff in one room but didnt copy it to others yet.
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2014-05-19T17:52:46 < dongs> still dont know how to properly name nets/buses
2014-05-19T17:52:48 < dongs> i dont think shit is working
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2014-05-19T18:15:32 < Laurenceb__> omfg
2014-05-19T18:15:34 < Laurenceb__> http://panteltje.com/panteltje/tri_pic/
2014-05-19T18:15:42 < BrainDamage> what are you trying to detect? magnetic dongs?
2014-05-19T18:16:19 < dongs> yes
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2014-05-19T18:42:53 < Laurenceb__> arg
2014-05-19T18:43:01 < Laurenceb__> how do i do ac sweep in LTspice?
2014-05-19T18:43:13 < Laurenceb__> i have ".ac lin 100 10k 50k"
2014-05-19T18:43:25 < Laurenceb__> but i dont think it knows which power supply to apply it to
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2014-05-19T19:02:51 < karlp> interesting: http://lwn.net/Articles/597539/
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2014-05-19T19:08:22 < scrts_w> god reply at the end :)))
2014-05-19T19:08:24 < scrts_w> *good
2014-05-19T19:08:47 < PaulFertser> He meant he wouldn't use Linux on a 2MB RAM machine. Would you?
2014-05-19T19:10:16 < jon1012> why wouldn't I ?
2014-05-19T19:10:26 < scrts_w> I will answer you a typical engineering answer: it depends ;-)
2014-05-19T19:10:46 < jon1012> a client asked me to include some linux apps on an stm32 board I make
2014-05-19T19:10:57 < jon1012> and asked me why we can't install linux on it
2014-05-19T19:11:15 < karlp> well, the reason I posted it is, that, sure, go for it, but one of the lead linux networking guys is not going to be making any allowances to help you do so.
2014-05-19T19:11:15 < jon1012> (I use the 192kb onboard ram of the stm32f4 btw)
2014-05-19T19:11:38 < karlp> that's from a thread about optional stripping out large chunks of networking support for "small" devices
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2014-05-19T19:48:14 < owl-v-> jon1012: have u tried porting retroBSD? :)
2014-05-19T19:48:35 < jon1012> haha no
2014-05-19T19:49:21 < jon1012> by the way, using a 128MB ram chip with the stm32f4, porting linux on it should be in the range of the possible, no ?
2014-05-19T19:49:49 < jpa-> don't even need that, there is a uclinux port somewhere on ST site
2014-05-19T19:49:56 < jon1012> (again I don't really see the point, but just wondering)
2014-05-19T19:49:58 < jpa-> was with some 16MB ram chip
2014-05-19T19:50:12 < jpa-> of course real linux is off the limits without MMU
2014-05-19T19:50:25 < jpa-> and gets pretty pointless to add an external MMU..
2014-05-19T19:50:41 < gxti> is that an actual thing? would be pretty silly
2014-05-19T19:51:04 < jpa-> why?
2014-05-19T19:51:23 < jpa-> uclinux can make sense for some networked stuff for example
2014-05-19T19:51:29 < gxti> i meant the external MMU
2014-05-19T19:52:13 < jon1012> hehe, would be fun to be able to run some kind of gui on uclinux on the stm32f429 board
2014-05-19T19:52:51 < jpa-> ah.. well i don't know if anyone has hooked one up to STM32.. but the old RS/6000 that i have somewhere has an external MMU.. of course the CPU is in 6 separate chips anyway :)
2014-05-19T19:53:05 < jon1012> (a real linux would mean beaing able to get a barebone fb gui system)
2014-05-19T19:53:09 < gxti> yeah if you have an unadorned bus interface you could do it. but still quite silly.
2014-05-19T19:53:38 < jpa-> FSMC should be raw enough.. but yeah, i agree that it would be silly
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2014-05-19T19:53:46 < jpa-> even if quite simple with some FPGA
2014-05-19T19:54:18 < gxti> i wonder if just a MMU in the FPGA would be any faster than a full soc
2014-05-19T19:54:36 < jpa-> of course it would
2014-05-19T19:54:39 < gxti> it's one of the limiting factors for speed iirc
2014-05-19T19:54:54 < gxti> could be fun to try
2014-05-19T19:55:09 < jpa-> depends on load.. would require flushing cache for context switches, though
2014-05-19T19:55:13 < gxti> does f4disco bring out enough pins for FSMC? maybe if i'm super bored i could try :p
2014-05-19T19:55:26 < gxti> i have a nice fpga board with dram that hasn't gotten enough love
2014-05-19T19:55:57 < gxti> already booted lunix on it but only 50mhz with orpsoc
2014-05-19T19:56:08 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2515969/Humans-evolved-female-chimpanzee-mated-pig-Extraordinary-claim-American-geneticist.html
2014-05-19T19:56:11 < gxti> maybe with f4disco it could go ultra lightning fast 168mhz (snark)
2014-05-19T19:56:27 < gxti> dailymail Laurenceb__, really?
2014-05-19T19:56:39 < gxti> even you should know better than that
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2014-05-19T20:27:34 < zippe> Easiest way to get VM linux on stm32 would be via an emulator, similar to linux-on-AVR
2014-05-19T20:27:56 < Steffanx> go away zippe  :P
2014-05-19T20:28:05 < Steffanx> That project was ...
2014-05-19T20:28:06 < zippe> hay wat?
2014-05-19T20:28:48 < zippe> I thought it a deliciously tasty stick in the eye of haters everywhere.
2014-05-19T20:29:03 < Steffanx> there is only one lunix hater here.
2014-05-19T20:29:14 < zippe> I actually meant avr haters, but that too
2014-05-19T20:29:30 < Steffanx> Not AVR, arduino perhaps :)
2014-05-19T20:29:41 < gxti> but it wasn't an arduino. yet.
2014-05-19T20:29:45 < Steffanx> Even dongs afroESC is avr baed.
2014-05-19T20:29:47 < gxti> gotta get that DRAM shield yo
2014-05-19T20:29:59 < gxti> max gigabytez
2014-05-19T20:31:47 < GargantuaSauce> doesnt the disco break out every io?
2014-05-19T20:32:18 < gxti> probably but many are connected to onboard chips which may conflict
2014-05-19T20:32:37 < gxti> last time i tried to use it had to carefully work around that
2014-05-19T20:32:54 < GargantuaSauce> well worst case scenario you have to lift a pin or two i guess
2014-05-19T20:33:06 < gxti> yeah i don't really care about any of the onboard stuff
2014-05-19T20:33:10 < gxti> could just desolder it all
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2014-05-19T20:37:37 < Steffanx> or dont bother and make your own pcb? :P
2014-05-19T20:37:49 < Steffanx> *bother with the disco
2014-05-19T20:37:56 < gxti> no it's just a dumb idea i could try for fun, i'm not going to put any money into it
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2014-05-19T23:20:48 < zyp> anyone have any experience with bluetooth (not low energy) and can suggest any modules?
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2014-05-19T23:57:08 < Lux> hmm any ideas what hardware faults can trigger the hardfault handler ?
2014-05-19T23:57:34 < Lux> somehow my code runs fine on 1 discovery board, but when i flash another one it crashes
2014-05-19T23:57:49 < zyp> hardfault does not mean hardware fault
2014-05-19T23:58:16 < Lux> i know, but it ends up in one on different hardware with the exact same code
2014-05-19T23:59:03 < zyp> any uncaught fault will be promoted to a hardfault, and by default, no faults are caught elsewhere, so all faults will be promoted to hardfault
2014-05-19T23:59:08 < zyp> so it can be anything
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2014-05-20T00:00:09 < Lux> okay thanks, i need to narrow it down then
2014-05-20T00:00:16 < zyp> are the discovery boards identical?
2014-05-20T00:00:46 < Lux> one i power via usb the other one via 5v
2014-05-20T00:01:02 < zyp> but they are otherwise identical?
2014-05-20T00:01:06 < zyp> same chip?
2014-05-20T00:01:08 < Lux> yes
2014-05-20T00:01:15 < zyp> same chip revision?
2014-05-20T00:01:18 < Lux> both are stm32f4 boards
2014-05-20T00:01:18 < zyp> also, which chip?
2014-05-20T00:01:21 < zyp> ok
2014-05-20T00:01:26 < zyp> which chip revisions?
2014-05-20T00:01:59 < Lux> one is A I think and the other one is Z
2014-05-20T00:02:07 < Lux> works on A
2014-05-20T00:02:08 < zyp> which is the failing one?
2014-05-20T00:02:09 < zyp> ok
2014-05-20T00:02:58 < zyp> that's strange, A is the oldest one
2014-05-20T00:03:52 < Lux> i think i got it.. I messed up the flash config
2014-05-20T00:03:57 < Lux> stupid mistake
2014-05-20T00:04:51 < Lux> ofc on one board there is nothing in flash and on the other one it loads the wrong stuff, good time to implement a checksum check
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2014-05-20T00:08:29 < Lux> and i probably shouldn't save a function pointer to the flash :)
2014-05-20T00:09:09 < zyp> not unless you expect to read back a function pointer
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2014-05-20T00:09:56 < Lux> it's not really necessary, just fast/dirty coding
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2014-05-20T02:45:34 < emeb> quiet times
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2014-05-20T02:56:29 < zyp> what do you expect, it's the middle of the night!
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2014-05-20T03:06:50 < qyx_> meh, night
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2014-05-20T03:21:10 < emeb> some people are most productive at night
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2014-05-20T03:33:57 < Fleck> emeb: yep, I am!
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2014-05-20T06:01:03 < dongs> zyp, lets order your boards
2014-05-20T06:01:31 < zyp> right
2014-05-20T06:01:45 < zyp> you wanted it all-smt, right?
2014-05-20T06:01:49 < dongs> yes
2014-05-20T06:01:55 < dongs> no dip shit plz
2014-05-20T06:02:33 < zyp> right, I need to replace the connectors at the ends then, and do new gerbers
2014-05-20T06:02:52 < zyp> I'll get it done tomorrow
2014-05-20T06:03:03 < zyp> any news on the connectors?
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2014-05-20T06:04:27 < dongs> other than they're coming soon, no :)
2014-05-20T06:04:39 < dongs> but you've got a week leadtiemon pcbs anyway
2014-05-20T06:04:42 < dongs> so might as well start on them
2014-05-20T06:04:48 < zyp> yeah
2014-05-20T06:04:57 < dongs> how many boards are you getting? is it gonna be production one or sample? I forgot
2014-05-20T06:05:14 < zyp> I believe I said 100
2014-05-20T06:05:26 < dongs> did i send you a quote/invoice for that yet?
2014-05-20T06:05:41 < zyp> no
2014-05-20T06:05:56 < dongs> ok fix gerbers and ill c hecke if its cheaper to do sample or production and get a few extra
2014-05-20T06:06:18 < zyp> hmm
2014-05-20T06:06:19 < dongs> probably need to array them too, like 2 boards per panel or soemthign
2014-05-20T06:06:30 < dongs> (will be done here)
2014-05-20T06:08:13 < zyp> I guess I'm already buying 1k connectors, so if I'm also paying for extra pcbs, assembling them all might be cheap enough to be worth it
2014-05-20T06:08:45 < zyp> on the other hand, 100 will probably last for a while, but I don't know
2014-05-20T06:09:35 < dongs> yea but at some point depending on dimensions production of liek 200 boards will be cehaper than sample of 100
2014-05-20T06:09:50 < zyp> yes, that's what I mean
2014-05-20T06:10:01 < dongs> and you can just throw extra away :)
2014-05-20T06:10:48 < zyp> yes, but that's a waste, because if I'm already paying for 1k connectors and 200 boards, I've almost paid for enough parts to assemble 200 anyway
2014-05-20T06:11:01 < dongs> rite.
2014-05-20T06:11:35 < dongs> i forget was it 1 or 2 connectors per board?
2014-05-20T06:11:55 < zyp> one of the weird ones
2014-05-20T06:12:00 < dongs> ah ok
2014-05-20T06:12:03 < dongs> so youve got enough for 1k :)
2014-05-20T06:12:07 < zyp> that gets broken out to two standard 2.54mm headers
2014-05-20T06:12:15 < zyp> yeah
2014-05-20T06:13:05 < zyp> I've just accounted for 10x cost on that part, and will keep the remaining 900 as free leftovers for future shit
2014-05-20T06:13:39 < zyp> since in the end it's still cheaper than 100 from digikey
2014-05-20T06:14:31 < dongs> are you picking up rest of bom from digikey too?
2014-05-20T06:14:36 < dongs> i could probably get most of that as well
2014-05-20T06:14:55 < zyp> dunno
2014-05-20T06:15:21 < zyp> I assume you can get 2x13 2.54mm headers
2014-05-20T06:15:35 < dongs> sure
2014-05-20T06:15:47 < dongs> do teh ends have to look cute?
2014-05-20T06:15:51 < dongs> or can they be roughly broken
2014-05-20T06:15:53 < zyp> and the rest to be populated are just one IC and ~7 passives
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2014-05-20T06:16:20 < dongs> i strive to provide only kawaii connectors but my suppliers disagree
2014-05-20T06:16:48 < ds2> hey dongs, what's the peak temp you run your small reflow ovens?
2014-05-20T06:17:05 < dongs> 260? I think? i duno cuz its got a shittastic sensor
2014-05-20T06:17:16 < dongs> so i actually have to overclock it to 280 to get ~263
2014-05-20T06:17:18 < ds2> do your boards come out slightly brown?
2014-05-20T06:17:21 < dongs> no
2014-05-20T06:17:30 < dongs> i've done tons of white boards
2014-05-20T06:17:33 < dongs> and green w/white silk
2014-05-20T06:17:34 < ds2> I did a run at 250 and I see slight browning
2014-05-20T06:17:35 < zyp> IC is PCA9517
2014-05-20T06:17:35 < dongs> it doesnt change color
2014-05-20T06:17:49 < ds2> this is 250 per a thermocouple
2014-05-20T06:17:52 < ds2> 'k
2014-05-20T06:18:01 < dongs> zyp isnt it the one that has like 20 different packages
2014-05-20T06:18:03 < dongs> or is it all so8?
2014-05-20T06:18:15 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/pca9517
2014-05-20T06:18:17 < dongs> NRND
2014-05-20T06:18:43 < zyp> well, TCA9517 is exact equiv
2014-05-20T06:18:49 < dongs> so SO8?
2014-05-20T06:19:02 < zyp> let me check
2014-05-20T06:19:11 < ds2> aren't the PCA version the NXP ones and TCA is the TI ones?
2014-05-20T06:19:24 < zyp> yeah, I believe so
2014-05-20T06:19:27 < dongs> ugfh no it has so8 and DGK
2014-05-20T06:19:35 < dongs> msop
2014-05-20T06:19:42 < zyp> TSSOP-8
2014-05-20T06:19:58 < zyp> http://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/NXP-Semiconductors/PCA9517ADP118/?qs=LOCUfHb8d9vvRTzZxIQTUg== <- this is what I've bought before
2014-05-20T06:20:43 < dongs> ok ill check how much 100 of tyhose runs
2014-05-20T06:22:09 < zyp> so PCA9517ADP would be right part and footprint
2014-05-20T06:22:21 < dongs> ok.
2014-05-20T06:22:47 < dongs> i got screwed by one of those i2c level converter shits in msop before
2014-05-20T06:22:50 < dongs> there are like 4 different packages
2014-05-20T06:22:57 < dongs> 0.5, 0.65 mm pitch and different length
2014-05-20T06:23:00 < dongs> like msop vs tssop
2014-05-20T06:23:31 < dongs> 1st one i ordered was 0.65mm, so it didnt even fit to already made 400+ pcbs, 2nd one i ordered was fucking tssop, so legs had to be bent down sorta like j-lead to make it fit into msop package.
2014-05-20T06:23:46 < dongs> completet fucking failure
2014-05-20T06:24:02 < zyp> this tssop8 is apparently 0.65
2014-05-20T06:24:03 < ds2> can you reliably bend down tssop legs?
2014-05-20T06:24:21 < dongs> ds2: i duno, pcba place did haha.
2014-05-20T06:24:29 < dongs> it looked ok. i wouldn't recommend it tho.
2014-05-20T06:24:38 < zyp> oh, by the way, I shipped the stuff to korea earlier today
2014-05-20T06:24:43 < dongs> ok cool
2014-05-20T06:24:44 < zyp> or yesterday, perhaps
2014-05-20T06:24:45 < dongs> the failureshit?
2014-05-20T06:24:47 < zyp> yes
2014-05-20T06:24:52 < dongs>  /notice me tracking or wahtever you got
2014-05-20T06:25:14 < zyp> one board that I've marked that needs the stm32 rotated 180 degrees, and all the rest needs the usb connector resoldered
2014-05-20T06:25:33 < ds2> did they break any pins?
2014-05-20T06:25:34 < zyp> some are visibly off, while others look fine but doesn't have connection on all pins
2014-05-20T06:26:03 < dongs> you know they've assembled liek 1k boards for me meanwhile with that same USB
2014-05-20T06:26:07 < dongs> and ihve had zero issues
2014-05-20T06:26:08 < zyp> ds2, no, they just fucked up assembly
2014-05-20T06:26:10 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/LU8mZ.JPG
2014-05-20T06:26:26 < dongs> i wonder how it managed to get fucked up
2014-05-20T06:26:36 < ds2> zyp: is it that expensive to do assembly locally?
2014-05-20T06:26:53 < zyp> yeah, I mean, the two first batches were fine, but the third was a fuckshow
2014-05-20T06:26:53 < dongs> zyp: 0.66/ea
2014-05-20T06:27:07 < zyp> for the PCA?
2014-05-20T06:27:09 < dongs> y
2014-05-20T06:27:30 < zyp> sounds fine
2014-05-20T06:28:10 < zyp> ds2, locally as in norway?
2014-05-20T06:28:10 < dongs> 2.54mm pin header, I guess you meant SMT?
2014-05-20T06:28:17 < ds2> zyp: yes
2014-05-20T06:28:30 < zyp> dongs, of course
2014-05-20T06:28:44 < ds2> seems like anyplace outside of SF Bay, CA, USA seems to have issues getting boards done locally
2014-05-20T06:29:01 < zyp> dongs, same connectors that are pth on the old gerbers
2014-05-20T06:29:09 < dongs> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/B1003292970/Dual-Row-2.54mm-Pin-Header-SMT-Type.jpg so like this?
2014-05-20T06:29:21 < zyp> yeah, that should be fine
2014-05-20T06:29:44 < zyp> 26pin, 2x13
2014-05-20T06:29:49 < ds2> damn it... I got his urge to get a LED light cube :(
2014-05-20T06:30:11 < zippe> zyp: any luck with the polski?
2014-05-20T06:30:19 < zyp> zippe, hmm?
2014-05-20T06:30:23 < zippe> Labour there is cheap-ish
2014-05-20T06:30:43 < zippe> I would bet that there or eastern .eu you might be able to find a better option than Korea
2014-05-20T06:31:30 < dongs> can anything in  EU make boards with readable silk on them, and non-humongous vias?
2014-05-20T06:31:41 < dongs> last I cheked olimex-like places wanted 20mil vias minimum
2014-05-20T06:31:48 < dongs> or something else ridiculous
2014-05-20T06:32:02 < ds2> dongs: betalayout does 0.010 drill vias and readable silk
2014-05-20T06:32:15 < ds2> 6/6 spacing
2014-05-20T06:34:12 < dongs> Your PCB
2014-05-20T06:34:12 < dongs> Required number:	100
2014-05-20T06:34:12 < dongs> Net
2014-05-20T06:34:12 < dongs> EUR	Gross
2014-05-20T06:34:12 < dongs> EUR
2014-05-20T06:34:15 < dongs> Price per panel	6.10	7.51
2014-05-20T06:34:17 < dongs> Total order value	610.24	750.59
2014-05-20T06:34:20 < dongs> 
2014-05-20T06:34:22 < dongs> um.
2014-05-20T06:34:25 < dongs> no.
2014-05-20T06:34:38 < dongs> i just ordered same shit for 1/3 the price.
2014-05-20T06:34:55 < zippe> Doesn't matter how cheap it is if it's not put together properly
2014-05-20T06:34:59 < dongs> 70x50mm ENIG 1.6T etc
2014-05-20T06:35:21 < dongs> zippe, its an isolated fuckup probably caused by zyp's shitty pattern :P
2014-05-20T06:35:30 < zyp> zippe, I were pretty happy with the first two batches
2014-05-20T06:35:36 < zippe> Heh, ok.
2014-05-20T06:35:44 < zippe> I should crawl back into my hole then. 8)
2014-05-20T06:35:54 < zyp> and I'm pretty happy with the quality and price too
2014-05-20T06:36:05 < dongs> zyp: 0.165 for pin headers, cut to 2x13 gold/rohs
2014-05-20T06:38:53 < dongs> ds2: got a pic of betalayoutr board wiht silk/
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2014-05-20T06:40:39 < dongs> this place in usa emailed me offering to asesemble/pcb my flying trash, just for lols i asked for a quote for 1.2k units, will see what they think is reasonable
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2014-05-20T06:42:42 < dongs> zippe: maybe you know them, dpcb.com
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2014-05-20T06:42:55 < dongs> website looks dodgy as shit
2014-05-20T06:43:02 < dongs> and they make "drones"
2014-05-20T06:43:54 < upgrdman> "From single-sided to 30+ multi-layer board, Dragon Circuits (DCI) has been manufacturing RIGID boards over 35 years."
2014-05-20T06:44:05 < upgrdman> when might someone ever need >8L ?
2014-05-20T06:44:22 < gxti> take a guess
2014-05-20T06:44:30 < upgrdman> arduino shields?
2014-05-20T06:45:00 < ds2> dongs: yeah.. let me upload it, it is abit big (this is what they sent me)
2014-05-20T06:45:17 < gxti> arduino users are too cheap to use more than 2 layers
2014-05-20T06:45:29 < gxti> even 4 is too fancy
2014-05-20T06:45:31 < ds2> hmm not that big
2014-05-20T06:45:41 < dongs> ds2: good, big is nice
2014-05-20T06:46:01 < dongs> i think tardino zero? or wahever hte new one is like their 1st 4L board
2014-05-20T06:46:01 < ds2> http://www.hy-research.com/tmp/bpcb.jpg
2014-05-20T06:46:13 < ds2> it is from their 'watch your pcb' program mails
2014-05-20T06:46:36 < dongs> not bad, at least its not inkjet garbage like shitstudio/etc
2014-05-20T06:46:42 < ds2> hehehe
2014-05-20T06:46:42 < dongs> resolution looks decent too
2014-05-20T06:46:53 < dongs> but yeah, at 3x my local price dont really see advantage
2014-05-20T06:47:12 < dongs> maynbe if i was an eurofaggot
2014-05-20T06:47:17 < ds2> 3x?
2014-05-20T06:47:27 < dongs>  < dongs> Total order valueI610.24I750.59
2014-05-20T06:47:28 < ds2> what resolution? 5/5 or better?
2014-05-20T06:47:32 < dongs> yea
2014-05-20T06:47:35 < ds2> ah
2014-05-20T06:47:48 < ds2> they are better priced for the courser stuff
2014-05-20T06:48:26 < dongs> duno. not that much better.
2014-05-20T06:48:29 < dongs> and my shit is here in 3 days
2014-05-20T06:48:35 < dongs> theirs is 8 days + ??? europost
2014-05-20T06:48:35 < dongs> etc.
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2014-05-20T06:48:56 < dongs> maybew tectu can use htem
2014-05-20T06:49:00 < dongs> for his kawaii ugfx demo pcbs
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2014-05-20T12:33:47 < Laurenceb__> http://uk.farnell.com/wurth-elektronik/760308111/coil-wireless-charging-6-3uh-13a/dp/2291720
2014-05-20T12:34:10 < Laurenceb__> oh
2014-05-20T12:34:16 < Laurenceb__> nvm, no driver
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2014-05-20T14:14:22 < Laurenceb__> attn dongs
2014-05-20T14:14:23 < Laurenceb__> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/05/19/1926213/linux-sucks-video
2014-05-20T14:23:15 < karlp> man, ds2 links are like 4chan, dead as soon as I see them
2014-05-20T14:23:40 < Steffanx> heh, it's in a tmp dir for a reason karlp :P
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2014-05-20T15:11:39 < dongs> haha this trash work app uses lunix gpio
2014-05-20T15:11:41 < dongs>       			fd = open("/sys/class/gpio_sw/PH14/data", O_RDWR);
2014-05-20T15:11:42 < dongs>       			write(fd, "0", 1);
2014-05-20T15:11:42 < dongs>       			close(fd);
2014-05-20T15:11:47 < dongs> SO FAST LOL
2014-05-20T15:11:53 < dongs> i bet this is how gpio works on nuttx
2014-05-20T15:11:58 < dongs> CUZ EVERYTHING IS A FILE TC
2014-05-20T15:12:03 < dongs> er, ETC
2014-05-20T15:13:32 < Claude> yeah thats the lazy and slow way to do that in linux :)
2014-05-20T15:13:39 < RaYmAn> ugh, that sounds like an a10 board.
2014-05-20T15:13:47 < dongs> A20, but same garbage
2014-05-20T15:14:16 < dongs> infact it's so shit, im writing lowlevl driver in vstudio and just have stuff disconnected from lunix so I can actually debug + test stuff.
2014-05-20T15:14:31 < dongs> then the retards will get to figure out how to  merge it with lunix/assdroid
2014-05-20T15:14:47 < RaYmAn> I think that's how allwinner develops stuff as well. And Oppo
2014-05-20T15:15:09 < RaYmAn> it's painful to touch code written like that.
2014-05-20T15:15:27 < Claude> yeah guess thats how chinese do all their linux stuff
2014-05-20T15:15:52 < RaYmAn> yeah. I suspect this is why they tend to ignore all standard ways to do stuff in linux and write their own completely asshat solutions
2014-05-20T15:15:55 < Claude> ugly typedefs and macros
2014-05-20T15:17:19 < Claude> and it seems to me they don't really get the driver system in linux. almost any chinese driver reinvents the wheel. they just don't use the api which is allready there
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2014-05-20T15:19:47 < Laurenceb1> sup
2014-05-20T15:20:07 < Laurenceb1> how do i setup a bluetooth serial device on windoze7?
2014-05-20T15:22:30 < jpa-> Start -> Devices and printers -> Add device   IIRC
2014-05-20T15:22:37 < jpa-> just pair like you would with any bluetooth dev
2014-05-20T15:23:00 < dongs>  < Claude> and it seems to me they don't really get the driver system in linux. almost any chinese driver reinvents the wheel.
2014-05-20T15:23:03 < dongs>                 they just don't use the api which is allready there
2014-05-20T15:23:11 < dongs> no thats because lunix has no stable API that a manufacturer can read  docs for and write drivers for
2014-05-20T15:23:21 < dongs> every minor kernel revision they rewrite and reinvent the wheel all over again
2014-05-20T15:23:26 < Claude> hmm don't think so
2014-05-20T15:23:43 < RaYmAn> it's not like chinese makers ever update the kernel anyways
2014-05-20T15:24:01 < jpa-> to get stable drivers for linux, you need to do the work to make the driver mainline-worthy
2014-05-20T15:24:19 < jpa-> after that, life is a joy
2014-05-20T15:25:07 < jpa-> of course, many third-party linux drivers are just ported windows drivers, and ported with minimal amount of work
2014-05-20T15:25:26 < Claude> there was a cut in the driver model some years ago 2.6.19 iirc , and now the transistion from platform devices into openfirmware/devicetree but still i can complie and load a proper written driver from 2.6.xx in 3.xx
2014-05-20T15:25:29 < jpa-> "oh this api is different.. just drop that feature"
2014-05-20T15:25:59 < dongs> Claude: haha youre completely full of shit
2014-05-20T15:26:15 < Claude> ?
2014-05-20T15:26:16 < dongs> you can't even compile  a driver from x.y.z kernel into x.y.z+1 50% of the time
2014-05-20T15:26:23 < Claude> so?
2014-05-20T15:26:24 < rewolff> Dongs, do you think my client has a "ban list"? You're pretty close to landing on that list.
2014-05-20T15:26:43 < dongs> rewolff: i dont give a slightest fuck what list of yours i'm on
2014-05-20T15:26:45 < Laurenceb1> ah gt it thanks
2014-05-20T15:27:03 < dongs> Claude: i had a v4l/dvb lunix driver that got broken in 3.x
2014-05-20T15:27:12 < dongs> because they fucking reshuffled everythingf
2014-05-20T15:27:14 < dongs> and THEN
2014-05-20T15:27:24 < dongs> they decided to "splitincludes: so that you could no longer build it from userspace
2014-05-20T15:27:28 < dongs> and had to patch fucking kernel
2014-05-20T15:27:36 < dongs> because they didnt think half the dvb-api includes were "needed" in userspace.
2014-05-20T15:27:52 < dongs> and there were ZERO docs on this whoel migration
2014-05-20T15:28:32 < dongs> just some fucktards decided "hey lets go rewrite dvb-usb shit!
2014-05-20T15:28:47 < Claude> hmm can't speak for dvb , was refering more to usual drivers as framebuffer and uarts...
2014-05-20T15:29:00 < dongs> firewire is on like 5th revision
2014-05-20T15:29:08 < dongs> each one incompatible with previous
2014-05-20T15:29:09 < Claude> what is firewire?
2014-05-20T15:29:12 < Claude> ;)
2014-05-20T15:29:23 < dongs> if I had to maintain a firewire device driver I'd probably jump out the window and hope there's no net under it
2014-05-20T15:29:39 < Claude> there are still firewire devices out there?
2014-05-20T15:29:44 < dongs> tons of them
2014-05-20T15:29:48 < dongs> none that would require lunix tho
2014-05-20T15:29:48 < qyx_> does anyone actually use firewire?
2014-05-20T15:30:04 < dongs> qyx_: lots of pro audio shit still uses firewire, even fw800
2014-05-20T15:30:13 < dongs> audio io banks, etc
2014-05-20T15:30:36 < dongs> cable tuners in all of usa have firewire
2014-05-20T15:30:40 < dongs> etc.
2014-05-20T15:30:52 < Claude> sorry still at adat-level at proaudio :)
2014-05-20T15:31:07 < GargantuaSauce> yeah and if you're doing fancy audio stuff in linux, firewire is the least of your worries
2014-05-20T15:31:13 < dongs> haha
2014-05-20T15:31:19 < dongs> < dongs> none that would require lunix tho
2014-05-20T15:31:20 < Claude> indeed
2014-05-20T15:31:21 < dongs> thus this
2014-05-20T15:31:28 < qyx_> how could you expect pro buses to work under linux when windows cannot handle basic ftdi cables?
2014-05-20T15:31:48 < qyx_> at least you said that
2014-05-20T15:31:52 < qyx_> always worked for me
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2014-05-20T15:33:12 < dongs> i wonder who teh fuck is rewolff
2014-05-20T15:33:51 < dongs> his entire contribution this evening was a jab at my truthful facts about lunix
2014-05-20T15:33:58 < Claude> hehe
2014-05-20T15:37:53 < karlp> Claude: would help if the kernel didn't keep adding and changing apis...
2014-05-20T15:38:31 < dongs> i saidthis already
2014-05-20T15:40:43 < karlp> yeah, I wasn't scrolled down as far as I thought sorry :)
2014-05-20T15:40:57 < Laurenceb1> cya suckers
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2014-05-20T15:42:21 < karlp> yay, patching gcc builds because it wants to build documentation by default
2014-05-20T15:42:34 < Claude> karlp, yeah for sure it changes over time but thats not better on any other os imo
2014-05-20T15:43:12 < karlp> but they leave the older versions around for compatiblity until things get migrated
2014-05-20T15:43:23 < karlp> so there's dozens of ways of getting things done.
2014-05-20T15:43:25 < Claude> is that different on linux?
2014-05-20T15:43:35 < karlp> you seem to have to reallllly know the kernel to write a good driver
2014-05-20T15:43:43 < karlp> copying existing ones is no recipe for success
2014-05-20T15:44:12 < Claude> just grab the skeleton driver and base yours onto that is a very good starting point
2014-05-20T15:44:38 < karlp> haha
2014-05-20T15:44:44 < Claude> no?
2014-05-20T15:44:51 < dongs> Claude: incorrect
2014-05-20T15:45:02 < dongs> Claude: i can load 32bit windows 2000 driver on windows 8 32bit.
2014-05-20T15:45:22 < dongs> thats ~14 years of compatibility.
2014-05-20T15:45:31 < dongs> good luck loading a lunix kernel driver from 14 days ago
2014-05-20T15:47:16 < BrainDamage> most of unix tools are more than 30 years old :J
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2014-05-20T15:59:30 < Tectu_> dongs, compatibility that costs you 50GB of HDD space
2014-05-20T15:59:45 < dongs> ?
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2014-05-20T17:15:01 < gxti> ITT people argue with dongs about lunix
2014-05-20T17:16:22 < Miek> i.. like linux
2014-05-20T17:16:24  * Miek ducks
2014-05-20T17:20:57 < Tectu_> dongs, well, not with 8 anymore, to be honest
2014-05-20T17:21:13 < Tectu_> dongs, but when I take a look at how much HDD space win 7 takes up...
2014-05-20T17:21:37 < Tectu_> I think 'ridiculous' is the word I'm looking for...
2014-05-20T17:24:16 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27484537
2014-05-20T17:24:26 < Laurenceb__> "However, the trial was told the pair crashed their car north of Bristol and then got lost as they hunted for Miss Stone's home."
2014-05-20T17:24:30 < Laurenceb__> truly epic fail
2014-05-20T17:25:16 < Steffanx> http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=epic
2014-05-20T17:25:23 < Steffanx> because some people will never learn.
2014-05-20T17:28:36 < englishman> dongs probably has more published lunix apps than everyone else in here combined
2014-05-20T17:28:44 < dongs> haha
2014-05-20T17:29:15 < gxti> real pro kernel developer
2014-05-20T17:29:36 < dongs> SC70-5 is that SOT23-5 or one size smaller
2014-05-20T17:29:41 < gxti> speaking of which haven't seen our favorite russian in a while
2014-05-20T17:29:44 < dongs> i always fucking confuse that shit
2014-05-20T17:29:50 < dongs> gxti: hmm, good point
2014-05-20T17:29:53 < dongs> what hte fuck waws his nick
2014-05-20T17:29:55 < dongs> Rsomething?
2014-05-20T17:29:57 < dongs> R-COM?
2014-05-20T17:29:58 < dongs> that one?
2014-05-20T17:30:00 < gxti> r2com
2014-05-20T17:30:10 < dongs> hm yea
2014-05-20T17:30:31 < Steffanx> He's banned from freenode
2014-05-20T17:30:40 < gxti> for too many bad FPS screenshots?
2014-05-20T17:30:47 < Steffanx> probably
2014-05-20T17:31:06 < dongs> heh really?
2014-05-20T17:31:46 < Laurenceb__> banned from freenode O_o
2014-05-20T17:31:55 < Laurenceb__> thats serious business
2014-05-20T17:31:55 < dongs> http://www.m-labs.com/products/pt/ptsfds/sot.htm
2014-05-20T17:32:00 < dongs> yeah
2014-05-20T17:32:05 < dongs> i got +q'd on #stonertronics
2014-05-20T17:32:06 < Laurenceb__> thats like getting banned from 4chan
2014-05-20T17:32:08 < dongs> for telling them the truth
2014-05-20T17:32:12 < Laurenceb__>  <- is banned from 4chan
2014-05-20T17:32:42 < PaulFertser> R2COM banned for real?
2014-05-20T17:32:47 < Laurenceb__> i posted faces of kitten death too many times
2014-05-20T17:32:52 < Steffanx> No lol PaulFertser
2014-05-20T17:33:02 < gxti> Steffanx lies all the time, that much we know
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2014-05-20T17:34:22 < Steffanx> lol no, gxti
2014-05-20T17:34:50 < Steffanx> It's what dongs thaughts me. How to be non-serious at the right moment.
2014-05-20T17:35:25 < dongs> isnt that just called trolling
2014-05-20T17:36:10 < Steffanx> Anyway: Last seen  : Mar 29 06:37:43 2014 (7 weeks, 3 days, 07:58:03 ago) .. probably too busy which space traveling
2014-05-20T17:36:26 < Laurenceb__> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/faces-of-death/
2014-05-20T17:37:06 < dongs> so what do you do with PB2/BOOT1
2014-05-20T17:37:10 < dongs> can you actually use it as gpio?
2014-05-20T17:37:17 < englishman> Dongs am I wrong? :)
2014-05-20T17:37:18 < dongs> (F1)
2014-05-20T17:37:25 < dongs> englishman: probably not :(
2014-05-20T17:37:30 < Laurenceb__> dongs: yes
2014-05-20T17:37:35 < Laurenceb__> i use it as gpio
2014-05-20T17:37:36 < gxti> dongs: if BOOT0 is pulled to normal boot yes
2014-05-20T17:37:47 < englishman> I count 34 on that one page
2014-05-20T17:37:57 < dongs> hm
2014-05-20T17:38:14 < Steffanx> Don't forget his contributions to firefox englishman
2014-05-20T17:38:25 < englishman> Some with *BSD support
2014-05-20T17:38:44 < dongs> gxti: i have it to gnd via 10k (boot1), if I make it gpio_out i guess it'll work
2014-05-20T17:38:51 < gxti> yes.
2014-05-20T17:39:21 < gxti> there's no impact at all, it just reads boot1 once at reset if boot0 is high
2014-05-20T17:39:46 < gxti> even if you needed boot1 you could still use the pin after that
2014-05-20T17:40:00 < dongs> boot1 is sram shit, useless anyway
2014-05-20T17:40:05 < gxti> right
2014-05-20T17:40:10 < dongs> cant you boot from sram via swd anyway
2014-05-20T17:40:21 < dongs> so liek actually needing that in hardware seems kinda retarded
2014-05-20T17:40:23 < gxti> probably. never tried.
2014-05-20T17:40:35 < dongs> i mean you can just load some crap in ram and jump to it..
2014-05-20T17:41:15 < dongs> i guess one possible use would be to setup ram for boot+load some code, then do softreset w/boot1 high
2014-05-20T17:41:18 < gxti> the only difference would be what is mapped at address 0
2014-05-20T17:41:38 < dongs> for some obscure bootloader=like thing
2014-05-20T17:41:47 < gxti> but i really can't think of any useful application
2014-05-20T17:42:01 < dongs> wasted pin
2014-05-20T17:42:46 < gxti> it's not wasted, it just means it needs a weak pullup/down if you want uart/usb bootloader
2014-05-20T17:43:02 < dongs> i dont have R other than 10k
2014-05-20T17:43:04 < dongs> (larger than
2014-05-20T17:43:29 < gxti> the precise value is irrelevant...
2014-05-20T17:44:02 < dongs> weak = > 33k, no?
2014-05-20T17:44:15 < Steffanx> Just go for it and see if you get screwed by this donsg :)
2014-05-20T17:44:34 < dongs> anywho, im just trolling. pins pre-set by 10k up/down pullups are controlled by gpio just fine
2014-05-20T17:44:40 < dongs> so this should work
2014-05-20T17:44:41 < gxti> it does a digital read of boot0 and boot1 at reset, and needs to see whatever value for uart boot. just make it do that.
2014-05-20T17:45:22 < gxti> not difficult.
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2014-05-20T18:11:14 < Tectu_> dongs, Steffanx wants to move to lunix
2014-05-20T18:11:30 < dongs> as ill be moving to FagOS X
2014-05-20T18:11:52 < Steffanx> Don't troll kiddy Tectu_
2014-05-20T18:12:11 < Tectu_> let's have some threesome then
2014-05-20T18:12:34 < emeb> get a room, you
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2014-05-20T18:13:13 < Steffanx> or that? :P
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2014-05-20T18:16:32 < synic> I swear I asked this earlier, but a grep through the logs isn't showing it
2014-05-20T18:16:43 < synic> does stm32 enable brown-out detection by default?
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2014-05-20T18:21:31 < Nutter> no
2014-05-20T18:22:59 < Nutter> it's controlled by the BOR_LEV bits in the Option bytes, and defaults to off
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2014-05-20T18:45:34 < owl-v-> Steffanx: how is my connection so far?
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2014-05-20T18:51:31 < dongs> squinty
2014-05-20T18:54:37 < dongs> you know those faux audio cassetes that go into old cars to turn linein into sound
2014-05-20T18:54:43 < dongs> is there an equivalent for MiniDisc
2014-05-20T18:55:53 < SlaveToTheSauce> lol
2014-05-20T18:57:12 < dongs> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-3-3-5mm-cassette-adapter/5019323.p?id=1219106279577&skuId=5019323&st=categoryid$abcat0307013&cp=1&lp=1
2014-05-20T18:57:27 < dongs> http://www.avforums.com/threads/mp3-to-minidisc-adapter-for-car-stereo.840305/
2014-05-20T18:57:29 < dongs> oh god.
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2014-05-20T18:58:27 < SlaveToTheSauce> yeah the tape one is easy to implement because it's just a question of connecting the audio jack to a coil
2014-05-20T18:58:34 < SlaveToTheSauce> emulating an optical disk? not so much
2014-05-20T18:59:25 < dongs> http://board.flashkit.com/board/showthread.php?548037-minidisc-adapter
2014-05-20T19:02:10 < BrainDamage> also minidisk is a rather niche technology
2014-05-20T19:02:22 < BrainDamage> didn't really hit mass consumption
2014-05-20T19:02:33 < dongs> you dont say
2014-05-20T19:02:56 < BrainDamage> just pointing you it's extremely unlikely it exists
2014-05-20T19:03:20 < BrainDamage> why do you need to interface with a minidisk player in the first place
2014-05-20T19:03:28 < BrainDamage> are you one of the unlucky few that bought one?
2014-05-20T19:03:41 < dongs> I'm just trying to be a beaky
2014-05-20T19:03:55 < SlaveToTheSauce> it was pretty popular in japan
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2014-05-20T19:05:57 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/310937148314 buttcoin?
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2014-05-20T19:12:29 < gxti> quality hardware
2014-05-20T19:12:57 < Steffanx> good owl-v- :)
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2014-05-20T19:17:42 < dongs> http://www.ebaypa.com/albums/20140002_1/sku126282-8-.jpg
2014-05-20T19:17:45 < dongs> that capjob is amaze
2014-05-20T19:18:25 < Steffanx> hot glue, one best friend after duct tape
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2014-05-20T19:25:32 < Laurenceb__> patent drawing style hasnt changed much
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2014-05-20T20:01:18  * emeb has a cabinet full of minidisc equipment. :(
2014-05-20T20:01:52 < emeb> was pretty cool when Sony came out with USB MSC compatible minidisc.
2014-05-20T20:02:24 < emeb> except that they had to put their fscking magic-gate DRM all over everything, because priates.
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2014-05-21T05:01:35 < dongs> MAX232DR   10K  TI  13+   US0.165  STK
2014-05-21T05:01:42 < dongs> anyone making some obsolete shit in 2014?
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2014-05-21T05:07:39 < emeb> I know lots of folks making obsolete shit.
2014-05-21T05:08:05 < emeb> Synth mfgs that insist on using 1/2W thru-hole carbon-compound resistors, because sounds better.
2014-05-21T05:08:22 < gxti> needs more repairs too
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2014-05-21T05:10:45 < emeb> naming the guilty -> http://www.macbethstudiosystems.com/
2014-05-21T05:11:42 < gxti> i don't really care too much about people who actually make music
2014-05-21T05:11:56 < gxti> because they do something useful
2014-05-21T05:13:16 < gxti> and for the audiophools... well, they're putting food on somebody's table, and it keeps other dweebs something to froth about on forums, so everything's okay i guess
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2014-05-21T05:40:00 < dongs> < emeb> Synth mfgs that insist on using 1/2W thru-hole carbon-compound resistors, because sounds better.
2014-05-21T05:40:03 < dongs> lol
2014-05-21T05:46:55 < dongs> and DIP opamps
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2014-05-21T05:48:34 < johntramp> how secure is level 2 read protection? debug/chip read protection disabled
2014-05-21T05:48:45 < johntramp> on an stm32f4, if that matters
2014-05-21T05:48:46 < dongs> if you have to ask, you probably dont wanna know
2014-05-21T05:49:00 < dongs> clive1 on st forums seems to know something we al ldont
2014-05-21T05:49:20 < johntramp> so worth while setting but not that hard to get around?
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2014-05-21T05:50:01 < dongs> i duno about f4 actually, but I think on f1 it doesnt matter.
2014-05-21T05:50:08 < dongs> (if you really want teh stuff on-chip)
2014-05-21T05:50:24 < dongs> who knows if they fixed same stuff in f4 too.
2014-05-21T05:50:40 < dongs> anyway, plenty of people lock and their business depends on it so just hope nobody wants your shit that bad
2014-05-21T05:50:43 < johntramp> ok so it was completely useless on f1
2014-05-21T05:51:32 < johntramp> are there extra precautions which can improve the security of the firmware?
2014-05-21T05:51:45 < johntramp> or is that about all that can be done
2014-05-21T05:56:16 < dongs> no just lock and bootloader that encryts or whatever.
2014-05-21T05:56:29 < dongs> and dont have bugs.
2014-05-21T05:56:51 < johntramp> easy :)    cheers
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2014-05-21T06:21:30 < zippe> johntramp: step #1, don't have a business model where someone stealing your code can beat you
2014-05-21T06:23:34 < johntramp> yeah sure but it is still worth protecting as much as possible
2014-05-21T06:24:49 < dongs> and yes zippe is right
2014-05-21T06:24:50 < dongs> :)
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2014-05-21T06:37:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rP6eSGa.png
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2014-05-21T07:05:47 < dongs> your code better not look like this http://i.imgur.com/zyMNjBa.jpg
2014-05-21T07:06:14 < gxti> ez
2014-05-21T07:23:04 < zyp> I heard you like pointers
2014-05-21T07:23:20 < dongs> clearly not arduino user
2014-05-21T07:23:54 < zyp> where's that from?
2014-05-21T07:24:29 < dongs> no clue some java guy retweeted it to me on irc
2014-05-21T07:24:39 < dongs> try google image search maybe
2014-05-21T07:24:44 < zyp> not that interested
2014-05-21T07:24:57 < zyp> you saw the files? does they look ok?
2014-05-21T07:24:59 < dongs> i am so i ll do it
2014-05-21T07:25:05 < dongs> hah
2014-05-21T07:28:21 < zyp> https://code.google.com/p/vtr-verilog-to-routing/source/browse/branches/opetelin/vpr/SRC/route/rr_graph.c?spec=svn4225&r=4225#457
2014-05-21T07:28:39 < dongs> l;ewl
2014-05-21T07:29:23 < dongs> Calculate FPGA homogeneity here
2014-05-21T07:29:33 < englishman> academic
2014-05-21T07:31:59 < zyp> dongs, anyway, you got the gerbers?
2014-05-21T07:32:10 < dongs> yep
2014-05-21T07:32:18 < zyp> ok, good
2014-05-21T07:32:27 < dongs> will start process today
2014-05-21T07:32:41 < dongs> shitty zip file naming :(
2014-05-21T07:34:05 < zyp> ok, I'll name it kawaii.zip next time
2014-05-21T07:34:35 < dongs> board looks ok
2014-05-21T07:34:44 < zyp> p&p file too?
2014-05-21T07:35:31 < dongs> oh fuc
2014-05-21T07:35:34 < dongs> not mils plz
2014-05-21T07:35:55 < dongs> mm with 2 decimal points
2014-05-21T07:36:00 < dongs> xx.yy
2014-05-21T07:36:06 < dongs> and make origin bottom left or someshit
2014-05-21T07:36:17 < zyp> I think it already is bottom left
2014-05-21T07:36:22 < dongs> yeah probably is
2014-05-21T07:36:27 < dongs> but with mil numbrs cant tell
2014-05-21T07:36:41 < zyp> ok, I'll reexport that tomorrow
2014-05-21T07:38:28 < dongs> ya no worries
2014-05-21T07:38:57 < zyp> I don't expect you to run p&p on it tonight anyway :p
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2014-05-21T13:02:46 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon
2014-05-21T13:02:48 < dongs> attn owl-v-
2014-05-21T13:07:28 < akaWolf> dongs: who are you from that list? )
2014-05-21T13:07:32 < akaWolf> which one? )
2014-05-21T13:08:47 < dongs> hmm.
2014-05-21T13:08:50 < dongs> i lost pogo pins again.
2014-05-21T13:09:02 < dongs> ah whrew found
2014-05-21T13:09:17 < akaWolf> but pokemons help you to find pp )
2014-05-21T13:09:29 < akaWolf> just ask
2014-05-21T13:09:57 < dongs> meh i made pogo holes just a tiny bit too big
2014-05-21T13:10:24 < akaWolf> it's all bad pokemon.
2014-05-21T13:10:26 < Laurenceb__> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/09/article-2171121-13FEE945000005DC-49_468x535.jpg
2014-05-21T13:13:23 < akaWolf> dongs: http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Rescue_Rangers_Theme
2014-05-21T13:16:08 < dongs> wat
2014-05-21T13:18:09 < Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmIhcr-AAPM
2014-05-21T13:18:10 < akaWolf> ooops. it's not a pokemons
2014-05-21T13:18:11 < Laurenceb__> walk for aids
2014-05-21T13:18:13 < akaWolf> but close
2014-05-21T13:18:36 < Laurenceb__> where is dongs there?
2014-05-21T13:20:53 < akaWolf> ))
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2014-05-21T13:42:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JUHZvFH.jpg
2014-05-21T13:55:33 < owl-v-> dongs: is that ftdi chip sitting next to usb port?
2014-05-21T13:57:34 < owl-v-> i fixed right shift key of my mackbook-air :D
2014-05-21T13:59:18 < owl-v-> the lower corner plastic socket which held metal bar was broken.
2014-05-21T13:59:50 < owl-v-> now the metal bar is held by upper corner plastic sockets.
2014-05-21T14:00:28 < owl-v-> now i don't have to press the key with my entire pinky finger.
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2014-05-21T14:09:46 < anicca> ha! I have the exact same solder.
2014-05-21T14:12:29 < dongs> owl-v-: i dont use ftdi
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2014-05-21T14:37:37 < Miek> lol, jlink edu :D
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2014-05-21T14:47:10 < dongs> i kno rite?
2014-05-21T14:47:13 < dongs> better than jlinkCLONE
2014-05-21T14:51:33 < dongs> nice, one flash module works. so the rest should work also
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2014-05-21T15:59:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/xsP36aK.jpg
2014-05-21T15:59:29 < zyp> heh
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2014-05-21T16:03:01 < anic_> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/mariakonnikova/2014/05/why-do-people-persist-in-believing-things-that-just-arent-true.html?utm_source=poopootime
2014-05-21T16:03:07 < anic_> sorry. wrong channel.
2014-05-21T16:06:41 < Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2014/05/21/candle-powered-fan-keeps-you-cool-using-a-thermoelectric-generator/
2014-05-21T16:06:45 < Laurenceb__> fail
2014-05-21T16:06:51 < Laurenceb__> a heat powered cooler...
2014-05-21T16:07:36 < SlaveToTheSauce> yeah cause an air conditioner is totally different
2014-05-21T16:07:44 < SlaveToTheSauce> it violates thermodynamics to keep you comfy
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2014-05-21T16:26:22 < Steffanx> lol SlaveToTheSauce :D
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2014-05-21T16:31:28 < superbia> phd failure
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2014-05-21T16:40:21 < Laurenceb__> http://www.spansion.com/Products/microcontrollers/32-bit-ARM-Core/fm4/Pages/overview_32fm4.aspx
2014-05-21T16:45:00 < SlaveToTheSauce> they have 5V cortex-m4fs! :O
2014-05-21T16:45:09 < Laurenceb__> 200mhz
2014-05-21T16:45:30 < SlaveToTheSauce> time to make a seriously overpowered arduino
2014-05-21T16:46:23 < Steffanx> i wonder why all products in the list only say 160mhz ..
2014-05-21T16:47:42 < SlaveToTheSauce> check page 6, looks like there's a couple lines that aren't out yet
2014-05-21T16:48:55 < Steffanx> page 6 ..
2014-05-21T16:49:18 < SlaveToTheSauce> the outlined ones are 'under design' and those are all the high-end ones with stupid amounts of flash etc
2014-05-21T16:49:29 < SlaveToTheSauce> i imagine the 200MHz ones are in there
2014-05-21T16:50:09 < Steffanx> oh of their brochure?
2014-05-21T16:50:26 < SlaveToTheSauce> oh, yes
2014-05-21T16:50:37 < SlaveToTheSauce> i went straight for that and forgot it wasn't a direct link e_e
2014-05-21T16:53:14 < englishman> anyone used a jlink clone
2014-05-21T16:53:37 < zyp> I bought one once, it bricked itself before I got around to using it for anything
2014-05-21T16:55:45 < Steffanx> uh :S
2014-05-21T16:56:31 < dongs> zyp, one of my pals updated to latest jlink software on his clone and says it works fine
2014-05-21T16:56:56 < dongs> so i dunno
2014-05-21T16:57:00 < dongs> freak accident? :)
2014-05-21T16:57:01 < zyp> well, I stopped caring about that
2014-05-21T16:57:03 < dongs> i nee dto find 2 of mine
2014-05-21T16:57:03 < dongs> right
2014-05-21T16:57:08 < zyp> so it doesn't matter
2014-05-21T16:57:42 < englishman> hit flash download in keil, asked for firmware upgrade twice, then notified me its a clone and closed keil
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2014-05-21T16:57:52 < zyp> I weren't particularly impressed by the jlink-ob on the nrf board either
2014-05-21T16:57:55 < dongs> haha really
2014-05-21T16:58:16 < dongs> ive been having weird issues with ulink clone lately too
2014-05-21T16:58:20 < dongs> which is why you see jlinkedu in my pics
2014-05-21T16:58:28 < englishman> my ulink clone works fine
2014-05-21T16:58:45 < englishman> but its keil only right??
2014-05-21T16:58:50 < dongs> right
2014-05-21T16:58:58 < dongs> not like anything else matters
2014-05-21T16:59:04 < englishman> jlink can do psoc stuff too
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2014-05-21T18:20:28 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5gI1joaCxI
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2014-05-21T18:20:29 < Laurenceb__> wtf
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2014-05-21T18:22:45 < zyp> hook it to a generator and use it to power stuff
2014-05-21T18:25:01 < owl-v-> holy slug!
2014-05-21T18:25:14 < owl-v-> holy sluggish!
2014-05-21T18:26:27 < owl-v-> use gears to increase RPM of output shaft.
2014-05-21T18:26:33 < Steffanx> ty Laurenceb__
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2014-05-21T18:54:37 < englishman> word got it working
2014-05-21T18:54:49 < englishman> jlink is fast O.o
2014-05-21T18:56:09 < zyp> compared to what?
2014-05-21T18:56:18 < englishman> ulink and stdink
2014-05-21T18:56:56 < zyp> stlink is obvious, but I would have assumed ulink to be fast as well
2014-05-21T18:58:06 < englishman> atmel sam7s powered
2014-05-21T19:00:28 < anicca> why is stlink being slow obvious ?
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2014-05-21T19:01:48 < zyp> it's known to be
2014-05-21T19:02:24 < zyp> what I mean is that since stlink is known to be slow, it's obvious that jlink should be faster
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2014-05-21T19:14:22 < englishman> yay even works with latest jlink software
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2014-05-21T19:45:09 < zippe> stlink is "slow" because, I think, the default SWD clock is very conservative (haven't checked to be sure)
2014-05-21T19:48:15 < dongs> stlink is slow b eacuse most people use it with lunix/openaidsocd
2014-05-21T19:48:44 < zippe> dongs: your logic has herpes
2014-05-21T19:48:54 < dongs> likely
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2014-05-21T19:48:58 < superbia> u missed :   on real operating systems
2014-05-21T19:48:59 < dongs> its 2am and im goin to sleep
2014-05-21T19:49:14 < Laurenceb__> s/sleep/fap
2014-05-21T19:54:28 < Laurenceb__> " 76% of all quotes found on the internet are made up." - Abraham Lincoln.
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2014-05-21T20:32:32 < Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SxpscquBIo4
2014-05-21T20:32:39 < Laurenceb__> taking it to the next level...
2014-05-21T20:32:42 < Laurenceb__> with debugging
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2014-05-21T20:35:19 < SlaveToTheSauce> do people actually pronounce SPI as "spy" :|
2014-05-21T20:35:48 < dekar_> yeah that's common
2014-05-21T20:35:48 < anic_> not "spee"
2014-05-21T20:35:51 < anic_> ?
2014-05-21T20:36:05 < chris_99> i just call it s-p-i maybe that's wrong
2014-05-21T20:36:28 < dekar_> I have heard both
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2014-05-21T20:37:29 < karlp> SlaveToTheSauce: why does "spy" bother you?
2014-05-21T20:37:48 < SlaveToTheSauce> just hadnt heard it before i guess
2014-05-21T20:38:06 < SlaveToTheSauce> always considered it an initialism and not an acronym for whatever reason
2014-05-21T20:43:06 < dekar_> I don't see why they've used a union. I would have gone for casts which would have also removed the need for an offset variable. http://pastebin.com/xRfM1j2V
2014-05-21T20:43:33 < dekar_> Well incrementing by an offset I mean.
2014-05-21T20:44:08 < dekar_> When it comes to unions I often feel like they're rather obfuscation than syntactic sugar.
2014-05-21T20:44:23 < SlaveToTheSauce> shouldnt that whole thing just be a struct :/
2014-05-21T20:45:24 < dekar_> SlaveToTheSauce, nope. They're relying on the fact that incrementing a char pointer adds one to the address, while incrementing a short pointer adds two.
2014-05-21T20:46:51 < karlp> that's pretty gross
2014-05-21T20:47:28 < dekar_> ST code quality :/
2014-05-21T20:47:39 < karlp> what was wrong with just a struct for the whoel header?
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2014-05-21T20:47:57 < SlaveToTheSauce> yeah but i mean rather than doing any wonky pointer math at all, just cast the buffer pointer to a struct pointer and then copy/swap each member in turn
2014-05-21T20:48:25 < karlp> yeah, that's what I meant
2014-05-21T20:48:32 < SlaveToTheSauce> there are some very nice applications of unions but indeed that's not one of them
2014-05-21T20:49:28 < dekar_> I guess that would need for a packed struct, wouldn't it?
2014-05-21T20:49:46 < SlaveToTheSauce> maybe, maybe not
2014-05-21T20:51:56 < dekar_> also it would need dummy elements
2014-05-21T20:52:29 < dekar_> but I agree that it would be much easier to read
2014-05-21T20:55:54 < dekar_> I initially wanted to find out why their "PMAAddr + (uint8_t *)(_GetEPRxAddr(ENDP0) * 2);" resolves to different values depending whether I enable LTO. But it's a chain of about 10 macros and I lost interest.
2014-05-21T20:56:17 < SlaveToTheSauce> wonderful
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2014-05-21T21:17:40 < Tectu_> does anybody have experiences with PSoC?
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2014-05-21T21:24:29 < scrts> dongs: http://vimeo.com/92087150 NSFW
2014-05-21T21:26:46 < Steffanx> dongs is more into buttcoins scrts
2014-05-21T21:27:15 < scrts> m.. ok
2014-05-21T21:28:21 < Steffanx> :P
2014-05-21T21:29:19 < Posterdati> hi
2014-05-21T21:30:43 < Posterdati> what the name of the comic strip one of you advertised here?
2014-05-21T21:30:52 < Posterdati> long time ago
2014-05-21T21:31:08 < Posterdati> thanks
2014-05-21T21:33:21 < Steffanx> remember what it was about Posterdati ?
2014-05-21T21:33:38 < Posterdati> I could not remember
2014-05-21T21:33:59 < Posterdati> it was a sorta of "guided adventure" style
2014-05-21T21:34:26 < Posterdati> ah found it
2014-05-21T21:34:30 < Steffanx> and it was?
2014-05-21T21:34:34 < Posterdati> mspaintadventures
2014-05-21T21:34:43 < Steffanx> lol
2014-05-21T21:36:59 < gxti> my life has improved considerably since it went on hiatus
2014-05-21T21:37:40 < Posterdati> lol
2014-05-21T21:51:52 < Posterdati> can't understand this adventure sense...
2014-05-21T21:51:54 < Posterdati> ;)
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2014-05-22T03:25:57 < dongs> sup dongs
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2014-05-22T03:44:19 < dongs> What does Windows's complicated UI allow you to do that can't be done with OS X's simple UI? In my experience I've found OS X to be more capable than Windows, not less. It's easy to do a bunch of stuff in OS X that would be difficult in Windows and/or require 3rd party software--e.g., rip/burn an ISO, encrypt volumes, run a web server with PHP, have multiple virtual screens, manage what software/services run at startup, and that's not even getting into command line stuf
2014-05-22T03:45:32 < GargantuaSauce> no piece of software has ever made me as angry as the Finder
2014-05-22T03:45:56 < GargantuaSauce> in neither depth nor consistency of rage
2014-05-22T03:46:04 < englishman> i like the maximize button that does whatever
2014-05-22T03:46:21 < englishman> so you need 3rd party software to maximize a window
2014-05-22T03:46:21 < GargantuaSauce> it's the green button. it greens.
2014-05-22T03:46:36 < GargantuaSauce> however HOWEVER
2014-05-22T03:46:46 < dongs> < GargantuaSauce> no piece of software has ever made me as angry as the Finder
2014-05-22T03:46:48 < dongs> haha yes
2014-05-22T03:46:56 < dongs> it makes completely no fucking sense
2014-05-22T03:47:00 < GargantuaSauce> holding shift and pressing minimize was almost good enough to calm me down
2014-05-22T03:47:02 < dongs> and you cant use it from keyboard
2014-05-22T03:47:37 < GargantuaSauce> while making slurp noises for best effect
2014-05-22T03:48:52 < zyp> dongs, how so?
2014-05-22T03:49:14 < dongs> zyp, move ~5 files from one folder in another with keyboard only on macfag.
2014-05-22T03:49:30 < zyp> sure
2014-05-22T03:49:47 < dongs> on windows, its w in-r, type in path, arrow keys, ctrl+space on files you want, ctrlx, win-r for new path, paste.
2014-05-22T03:49:52 < dongs> whats e quivalent on mactrash?
2014-05-22T03:50:12 < dongs> can you even select files in finder without clicking?
2014-05-22T03:50:16 < dongs> or even get to files pane at all
2014-05-22T03:50:25 < dongs> or open a window to a given path
2014-05-22T03:50:32 < dongs> without having to start at / and clicking 2000 times
2014-05-22T03:50:35 < dongs> to get to the folder you need
2014-05-22T03:51:20 < dongs> <zyp> macos is so easy instead of organizing shit in folders i just have 230874238947 files in /home
2014-05-22T03:51:46 < zyp> you can mark consecutive files with shift, no select outside that as far as I'm aware of
2014-05-22T03:52:25 < dongs> no ctrl=select to do non-sequential?
2014-05-22T03:52:58 < zyp> no
2014-05-22T03:54:12 < zyp> I'm not sure I was aware you could on windows either
2014-05-22T03:54:38 < zyp> sounds like something that would be faster to do with mouse anyway
2014-05-22T03:54:57 < dongs> hardly
2014-05-22T03:55:07 < dongs> you only need a couple files, you know what tehy are, you already have that folder open.
2014-05-22T03:55:24 < zyp> and you already have a mouse
2014-05-22T03:55:33 < dongs> not if you are already typing something.
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2014-05-22T04:38:05 < dongs> http://blog.kevtris.org/blogfiles/fpga_sys/main/main5_3d.jpg some pro altium trolling
2014-05-22T04:40:54 < emeb> squiggly!
2014-05-22T04:41:50 < dongs> verily
2014-05-22T04:42:54 < dongs> emeb: http://i.imgur.com/JUHZvFH.jpg saw my latest progjig trolling?
2014-05-22T04:47:46 < gxti> afrojigz
2014-05-22T04:48:24 < emeb> gangflash!
2014-05-22T04:48:28 < emeb> niftles
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2014-05-22T05:02:43 < zyp> why did you pass up the opportunity to call it a gangbang?
2014-05-22T05:04:19 < dongs> i didnt, its implied
2014-05-22T05:04:51 < dongs> my pfet driven by nfet shit works
2014-05-22T05:04:56 < dongs> to switch 5V
2014-05-22T05:05:11 < gxti> well yeah.
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2014-05-22T05:05:39 < dongs> duno, last time had some "issues" :)
2014-05-22T05:07:06 < dongs> i got some lower rds pfets for the sdcard shit so ill try it sometime tomrow
2014-05-22T05:07:45 < gxti> i used crummy pfets for sd and it worked pretty well, didn't realize how marginal it was until it was too late. fixed now.
2014-05-22T05:08:10 < dongs> yea iut worked with some cards but barely
2014-05-22T05:09:05 < gxti> new one is IRML6401, 50mR and ~ 1v gs
2014-05-22T05:09:22 < gxti> er, IRLML6401
2014-05-22T05:09:36 < dongs> hm the ones they sent me was SI1307EDL-T1-E32
2014-05-22T05:09:37 < dongs> hm the ones they sent me was SI1307EDL-T1-E3
2014-05-22T05:10:21 < dongs> fuck, yours is still better
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2014-05-22T06:08:53 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCG4daPvuVI oh look, a kikecad tutorial
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2014-05-22T06:10:16 < upgrdman> managed to explode a diode today:   http://farrellf.com/temp/fairchild_sb540_diode_exploded.jpg
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2014-05-22T06:14:58 < englishman> cool
2014-05-22T06:15:00 < englishman> schottky
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2014-05-22T06:16:37 < upgrdman> yup
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2014-05-22T07:11:54 < PaulFertser> englishman: modern ulink versions support CMSIS-DAP so it works with OpenOCD.
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2014-05-22T07:19:12 < zippe1> Note to self, 5V LED arrays do not like 12V
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2014-05-22T07:38:33 < dongs> they turn into lol arrays
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2014-05-22T07:47:01 < zippe> In my case, smoke arrays
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2014-05-22T09:20:26 < zyp> say, what's the smallest stm32 available
2014-05-22T09:20:49 < zippe> Package, memory or features?
2014-05-22T09:21:09 < zyp> package, consider somewhere you'd otherwise use an attiny85
2014-05-22T09:21:17 < zippe> um, well
2014-05-22T09:21:43 < zippe> when you say "otherwise use an attiny85" … I would use an attiny when I need an 8-pin dip and didn't want to use an lpc810
2014-05-22T09:22:13 < zippe> Otherwise, one of the F0 parts in wlcsp is probably as small as they get
2014-05-22T09:23:28 < dongs> zyp, clearly production is cheaper. and you get 42*3 arrays
2014-05-22T09:24:24 < zyp> zippe, I didn't say I didn't want to use lpc810
2014-05-22T09:24:43 < zyp> dongs, ok
2014-05-22T09:25:02 < dongs> is tehre lpc810 in like, wlcsp
2014-05-22T09:25:12 < zippe> zyp: I didn't say you didn't - just that "small stm32" means something very different to "direct alternative to attiny85"
2014-05-22T09:25:24 < zippe> dongs: not in the regular catalog
2014-05-22T09:25:34 < zippe> dongs: I know they have done a bunch of customs based off that die
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2014-05-22T09:26:01 < dongs> how big is the die? surely not taking up entire dip8 :)
2014-05-22T09:26:04 < zippe> would not surprise me if the metal on it is set up for 3x3
2014-05-22T09:26:19 < dongs> cool
2014-05-22T09:26:40 < qyx_> zyp: there is 4x4mm ufqfn28 or whatever, but its not the smallest probably
2014-05-22T09:26:45 < zippe> Assuming 3x3 @ 0.35, I would say about 1.5mm on a side
2014-05-22T09:26:46 < qyx_> m0
2014-05-22T09:26:57 < zyp> qyx_, yeah, I saw that
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2014-05-22T09:28:56 < dongs> zyp, sent
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2014-05-22T09:30:54 < zyp> ok, just go ahead with parts to assemble all 126 boards too
2014-05-22T09:31:25 < dongs> ok. will do that monday since pcb wont be done for a week or so anyway
2014-05-22T09:31:35 < zyp> do I pay this now or later?
2014-05-22T09:32:12 < dongs> hm, i think i'l have you pay for this and parts by shitpal and then TT for pinheaders
2014-05-22T09:32:20 < dongs> (if thats not too much work
2014-05-22T09:33:55 < zyp> sure
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2014-05-22T09:35:54 < dongs> one of R's is 0K?
2014-05-22T09:36:12 < zyp> yes
2014-05-22T09:36:19 < dongs> ah, there's gonna be a frameless stencil inv also
2014-05-22T09:36:39 < zyp> right
2014-05-22T09:36:46 < dongs> i think the only parts is gonna be PCA
2014-05-22T09:36:48 < dongs> i have all other shit
2014-05-22T09:36:55 < dongs> and its not worth billing for them
2014-05-22T09:37:00 < dongs> its gonna be like <$1 for everything
2014-05-22T09:37:21 < dongs> oh, smt headers
2014-05-22T09:37:24 < dongs> and pca.
2014-05-22T09:37:29 < zyp> yeah
2014-05-22T09:37:42 < zyp> most populated pcb ever
2014-05-22T09:38:02 < dongs> totally
2014-05-22T09:38:29  * emeb_mac senses irony
2014-05-22T09:39:00 < zyp> emeb_mac, three connectors/headers, a so8 and 7 passives
2014-05-22T09:39:09 < dongs> (2 not mounted)
2014-05-22T09:39:21 < zyp> I didn't count the not mounted ones
2014-05-22T09:39:33 < emeb_mac> zyp: I did a board with two connectors and a SAW filter.
2014-05-22T09:39:37 < dongs> its gonna take more time to load/unload these from dicknplace
2014-05-22T09:39:43 < dongs> than to place them
2014-05-22T09:40:15 < zyp> takes the waiting out of it then :p
2014-05-22T09:43:29 < dongs> oh,, do you care thickness? 1.6? 1.x?
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2014-05-22T09:46:23 < zyp> 1.6 is good
2014-05-22T09:47:48 < dongs> k, submitted
2014-05-22T09:48:08 < dongs> if  you ahvent paid maybe just wait to do pcb + stencil
2014-05-22T09:48:16 < zyp> ok
2014-05-22T09:48:28 < dongs> so its in one place
2014-05-22T09:50:09 < zyp> and if TT doesn't work out I can drop by in a month with a wad of cash :p
2014-05-22T09:53:09 < dongs> :)
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2014-05-22T11:08:08 < owl-v-> migration to 64bit! >> http://people.linaro.org/~rikuvoipio/aarch64-talk/#/
2014-05-22T11:08:46 < dongs> lol who cares
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2014-05-22T11:09:26 < owl-v-> lol zero register!
2014-05-22T11:10:22 < owl-v-> i remember zero register when i built MIPS dual core cpu :P
2014-05-22T11:10:47 < dongs> zyp, do you want paste over np parts?
2014-05-22T11:10:55 < dongs> (stencil place doesnt use paste layer data
2014-05-22T11:11:01 < owl-v-> both stack pointer and zero register?? hm...
2014-05-22T11:11:19 < zyp> dongs, doesn't matter
2014-05-22T11:11:21 < dongs> ok
2014-05-22T11:11:39 < zyp> be careful about the bottom entry connector though
2014-05-22T11:11:58 < zyp> keep paste apertures away enough from the holes so no paste go into them
2014-05-22T11:12:27 < dongs> oh, right. is this reflected on the paste layer in non-array gerber?
2014-05-22T11:12:33 < dongs> if so i'll tell them to be careful
2014-05-22T11:12:50 < zyp> hmm, I don't think I've adjusted that
2014-05-22T11:13:12 < zyp> but if they're doing it by hand anyway, just tell them to keep a bit away from the holes
2014-05-22T11:13:19 < dongs> right, kk
2014-05-22T11:13:30 < dongs> i forwarded you arrayed one
2014-05-22T11:14:00 < owl-v-> omg order of writes to memory is not guaranteed. the f?
2014-05-22T11:14:43 < dongs> beaky: do you have any 64bit arm mcu to prototype wiht
2014-05-22T11:15:01 < dongs> preferably in DIP24
2014-05-22T11:16:01 < dongs> owl-v-: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5LEEoskiaM
2014-05-22T11:18:10 < owl-v-> dongs: i have seen it about 1.5 yrs ago
2014-05-22T11:18:48 < dongs> sory.
2014-05-22T11:20:20 < zyp> hah
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2014-05-22T11:22:37 < owl-v-> intel 64bit atom e3825 quite interesting >> http://ark.intel.com/products/78474/Intel-Atom-Processor-E3825-1M-Cache-1_33-GHz
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2014-05-22T11:23:37 < effractur> all the Bay Trail's are interesting
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2014-05-22T12:00:11 < owl-v-> what's difference between i2c and i2s?
2014-05-22T12:00:33 < owl-v-> i2s is more like api?
2014-05-22T12:00:40 < owl-v-> i2s is more like spi?
2014-05-22T12:00:47 < zyp> i2s is audio
2014-05-22T12:01:08 < jpa-> i2s is more like spi than i2c, yeah
2014-05-22T12:01:15 < owl-v-> hm. didn't know that
2014-05-22T12:01:18 < jpa-> the name is just a silly similarity
2014-05-22T12:01:22 < zyp> sound chips usually come with both, i2c for control and i2s for audio transfer
2014-05-22T12:02:35 < owl-v-> audio transfer means... audio chunks or directly to audio jack?
2014-05-22T12:02:41 < zyp> jpa-, it's probably not entirely coincidential, considering Philips designed both
2014-05-22T12:02:49 < jpa-> true
2014-05-22T12:02:54 < zyp> owl-v-, digital audio samples
2014-05-22T12:03:44 < owl-v-> so it has to use external audio chip
2014-05-22T12:04:03 < jpa-> yes
2014-05-22T12:04:34 < jpa-> (with SPI you don't need external audio chip, just encode your audio as DSD and connect the speaker directly to SPI MOSI ;)
2014-05-22T12:05:25 < scrts_w> and have 8 bits resolution?
2014-05-22T12:05:50 < owl-v-> SPI can make sound?
2014-05-22T12:06:26 < owl-v-> i thought i had to use PWM to generate sound
2014-05-22T12:06:36 < jpa-> scrts_w: nah, direct stream digital is supposed to be pretty good quality
2014-05-22T12:07:06 < zyp> I hear digital speakers are the best fit for digital sound
2014-05-22T12:07:35 < jpa-> i suggest to get digital ears also
2014-05-22T12:08:16 < owl-v-> ah... digital speaker...
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2014-05-22T12:09:25 < owl-v-> (error: unknown type name 'SPI_InitTypeDef') it's defined in stm32f4xx_spi.h
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2014-05-22T12:32:04 < owl-v-> compile!
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2014-05-22T13:10:28 < dongs> < jpa-> (with SPI you don't need external audio chip, just encode your audio as DSD and connect the speaker directly to SPI MOSI ;)
2014-05-22T13:10:31 < dongs> lol
2014-05-22T13:11:12 < dongs> now thats' a beaky-worthy project
2014-05-22T13:23:09 < Steffanx> beaky obsession :P
2014-05-22T13:27:38 < BrainDamage> maybe wifecop is beaky
2014-05-22T13:28:43 < Steffanx> :o
2014-05-22T13:29:08 < Steffanx> would fit into the profile though.. an arabic wife
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2014-05-22T13:30:03 < Steffanx> Welcome Laurenceb__, what can we do for you?
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2014-05-22T13:34:45 < scrts_w> guys, what do you use for UML? Basically I need a free alternative to Visio
2014-05-22T13:35:40 < Laurenceb> troll
2014-05-22T13:35:46 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/22/fujitsu_grows_lettuce_in_chip_factory/
2014-05-22T13:42:09 < anick> if Rational Rose is still in business, they used to have a freeware version of their product.
2014-05-22T13:44:10 < karlp> rational rose is an ibm product these days.
2014-05-22T13:45:20 < Laurenceb> lol rational rose
2014-05-22T13:45:42 < Laurenceb> sounds like something militant athiests would send each other
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2014-05-22T14:15:25 < owl-v-> why PHY is not included in most MCUs?
2014-05-22T14:18:03 < BrainDamage> so you can switch between ethernet phy or wifi phy
2014-05-22T14:18:21 < BrainDamage> also, cheaper :p
2014-05-22T14:19:19 < BrainDamage> ( also, ethernet itself can run over cable or fiber, according to the setup )
2014-05-22T14:19:41 < BrainDamage> so it's more flexible
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2014-05-22T14:29:22 < dongs> have to be in tokyo on 9th
2014-05-22T14:29:24 < dongs> fucking rage
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2014-05-22T15:07:28 < dongs> sup angry finder users
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2014-05-22T15:11:03 < Tectu_> what
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2014-05-22T15:41:34 < owl-v-> i don't like how stm32 example code is based on evaluation board and not based on stm32 chip. (such as "GPIO_PIN_1"; wtf)
2014-05-22T15:43:35 < owl-v-> on second thought... i think the GPIO_Pin_1 is the port pin and not actual pin on the package or board :P
2014-05-22T15:45:19 < dongs> waht
2014-05-22T15:45:28 < dongs> thosea are pins on port
2014-05-22T15:45:35 < dongs> PA1 = GPIOA, GPIO_Pin_1
2014-05-22T15:45:49 < dongs> where the fuck PA1 is on package is listed in datasheet.
2014-05-22T16:05:19 < owl-v-> oh baby baby; how was i supposed to know; that something wasn't right here; oh baby baby~ "One More Time by Britney Spears"
2014-05-22T16:05:51 < dongs> i think im gonna go to bed
2014-05-22T16:07:31 < Steffanx> owl-v- .. you're weird :P
2014-05-22T16:07:41 < Steffanx> im used to some weirdness, but ..  :P
2014-05-22T16:07:42 < owl-v-> PA1 of stm32f415/417 is on the 'Pinouts and pin description' of DM00035129
2014-05-22T16:08:50 < owl-v-> Steffanx: thanks for the complement :D
2014-05-22T16:09:18 < Steffanx> Ha, you're welcome second best korean :D
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2014-05-22T16:22:54 < owl-v-> why is volatile warning? >> (warning: initialization discards 'volatile' qualifier from pointer target type)
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2014-05-22T16:25:22 < SlaveToTheSauce> you're referencing a volatile variable with a nonvolatile pointer? or viceversa
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2014-05-22T16:26:53 < owl-v-> when state is volatile, i added volatile to the pointer and it resolved >> (volatile int * p = &stato;)
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2014-05-22T16:27:10 < owl-v-> i mean stato
2014-05-22T16:27:23 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/qyN7QP48.html
2014-05-22T16:27:25 < owl-v-> stato is volatile
2014-05-22T16:27:59 < dongs> I/O ports are usually volatile
2014-05-22T16:30:05 < owl-v-> it  i not set 'volatile' then the value does not make it through compile :P
2014-05-22T16:31:14 < owl-v-> dongs: that "note" u posed is scam?
2014-05-22T16:32:21 < owl-v-> i don't think i need to tune my macbook-air.
2014-05-22T16:33:40 < gxti> you seem unsure
2014-05-22T16:33:51 < owl-v-> i'v used it for more than two years and it's not slowing down.
2014-05-22T16:33:55 < SlaveToTheSauce> you can increase the battery capacity by microwaving it i hear
2014-05-22T16:34:25 < owl-v-> hm... aluminum body will deflect the uWave
2014-05-22T16:35:01 < SlaveToTheSauce> yeah it attenuates them to a safe level
2014-05-22T16:36:14 < owl-v-> it i need a reason to buy new macbook would be... battery-life and disk-size
2014-05-22T16:36:23 < dongs> not penis size?
2014-05-22T16:36:45 < gxti> the ghost of steve jobs compels you
2014-05-22T16:36:53 < owl-v-> 1TB size?
2014-05-22T16:36:58 < gxti> buy it or your friends will think you are dumb
2014-05-22T16:38:00 < owl-v-> gxti: what's 'dumb' has to do with buying macbook?
2014-05-22T16:38:22 < SlaveToTheSauce> lol
2014-05-22T16:38:24 < dongs> haha
2014-05-22T16:40:11 < owl-v-> macbook-pro so... expensive :/
2014-05-22T16:40:32 < owl-v-> where do i get $3k from?
2014-05-22T16:40:47 < dongs> innovate
2014-05-22T16:40:58 < owl-v-> dongs: +1
2014-05-22T16:41:06 < owl-v-> innovate!
2014-05-22T16:41:17 < owl-v-> i need to make money.
2014-05-22T16:41:24 < dongs> make money by innovating
2014-05-22T16:43:49 < Steffanx> how's it in bed dongs?
2014-05-22T16:43:59 < dongs> dunno making some dickplace files for tomrow
2014-05-22T16:44:00 < dongs> soon tho
2014-05-22T16:44:06 < Steffanx> :D
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2014-05-22T17:05:58 < dongs> ok, now really bed time
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2014-05-22T17:13:01 < owl-v-> nite nite dongs
2014-05-22T17:22:53 < PaulFertser> I wonder if dongs enjoys dongs in his dreams.
2014-05-22T17:26:02 < Steffanx> who knows,...
2014-05-22T17:26:07 < Steffanx> do you really want to know?
2014-05-22T17:27:56 < SlaveToTheSauce> do androids dream of electric dongs?
2014-05-22T17:33:00 < karlp> dongs: you know those supercheap IBZ rs485 drivers I referred you to?
2014-05-22T17:33:09 < karlp> we've found out that china has a "special" clone of them.
2014-05-22T17:33:38 < karlp> versions we got back assembled in china don't have enough drive voltage to meet specs, but ones we bought on digikey do.
2014-05-22T17:33:54 < karlp> packaging of the clones actually looks much better than the originals we bought
2014-05-22T17:39:22 < karlp> damnit, I really don't have the right lens to take photos of this
2014-05-22T17:46:39 < karlp> http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/ibz-88483-clone-left-orig-right.jpg
2014-05-22T17:46:49 < karlp> the logo's a _little_ different
2014-05-22T17:48:33 < Steffanx> time to get a few to those russian chip decappers
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2014-05-22T18:10:20 < anick> you need a better camera.
2014-05-22T18:11:28 < gxti> no u
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2014-05-22T18:18:14 < zippe> owl-v-: non-ordering of writes to memory is a normal thing
2014-05-22T18:18:22 < zippe> owl-v-: where have you been for the last 30 years?
2014-05-22T18:23:55 < owl-v-> didn't learn out-of-order in school. i learned it by reading ARM website.
2014-05-22T18:24:22 < owl-v-> zippe:^
2014-05-22T18:25:40 < zippe> ask your school for a refund
2014-05-22T18:27:28 < Geleia> I've been targeting a STM32 DISCO board for some time
2014-05-22T18:27:52 < Geleia> is the STM32F429 DISCO alright for beginners?
2014-05-22T18:28:23 < SlaveToTheSauce> no less than the f407 is
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2014-05-22T18:53:21 < Geleia> SlaveToTheSauce: do you think the price difference is worth it?
2014-05-22T18:53:37 < Geleia> I think I would play with the LCD much more than I would with the audio codec
2014-05-22T18:53:43 < Geleia> but I can always put an external LCD
2014-05-22T18:53:43 < SlaveToTheSauce> if you want an lcd and dram yeah
2014-05-22T18:54:43 < Geleia> but still, I need some mental and financial preparation to buy it
2014-05-22T18:54:44 < Geleia> lol
2014-05-22T18:55:03 < Geleia> the price is alright, but the import duties I'm going to pay aren't
2014-05-22T18:55:22 < SlaveToTheSauce> have you done cortex-m stuff before?
2014-05-22T18:55:26 < Geleia> nope
2014-05-22T18:55:36 < Geleia> I blinked a led on an F103 only
2014-05-22T18:55:45 < SlaveToTheSauce> that is a yes :/
2014-05-22T18:56:02 < Geleia> SlaveToTheSauce: I remembered it after I said nope
2014-05-22T18:56:10 < Geleia> I did it yesterday
2014-05-22T18:56:13 < Geleia> lol
2014-05-22T18:57:03 < Geleia> I'm a little lost with ARM, so I thought I should put some money and start with a board with good sample codes
2014-05-22T18:58:01 < SlaveToTheSauce> i am of the opinion that st's code is anything but 'good'
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2014-05-22T18:58:28 < Geleia> :O
2014-05-22T18:58:49 < zippe> Geleia: if you are trying to be careful with funds, look at the Waveshare stuff
2014-05-22T18:58:50 < Geleia> well, I have this F103C8T6 chinese board laying around
2014-05-22T18:59:14 < Geleia> zippe: I already did, still I thought about going with a ST board
2014-05-22T18:59:24 < Geleia> I'm not being THAT careful with funds
2014-05-22T18:59:25 < Geleia> lol
2014-05-22T18:59:50 < SlaveToTheSauce> what sort of application do you have in mind?
2014-05-22T18:59:55 < SlaveToTheSauce> that board would certainly be a good start
2014-05-22T19:00:01 < Geleia> SlaveToTheSauce: none, I want to learn
2014-05-22T19:01:42 < SlaveToTheSauce> assuming you already have a few peripherals kicking around to mess with, i'd say stick with that for now
2014-05-22T19:01:55 < zippe> Geleia: Always helps to have an objective
2014-05-22T19:02:08 < Geleia> zippe: I know, but I really have none :/
2014-05-22T19:02:47 < Geleia> with this F103C8T6 I could probably use it to build my reflow oven
2014-05-22T19:11:15 < SlaveToTheSauce> yeah or a comparator
2014-05-22T19:11:25 < SlaveToTheSauce> you can do quite a bit with one of these micros
2014-05-22T19:13:08 < Geleia> but I still know nothing about programming ARMs
2014-05-22T19:13:19 < Geleia> guess I'll look into it this weekend
2014-05-22T19:13:25 < SlaveToTheSauce> so learn by doing!
2014-05-22T19:13:36 < Geleia> there seems to be some good info on the topic to start with
2014-05-22T19:13:46 < Geleia> SlaveToTheSauce: any recommended tools?
2014-05-22T19:13:56 < SlaveToTheSauce> i just use gcc and a text editor
2014-05-22T19:14:08 < SlaveToTheSauce> openocd for flashing
2014-05-22T19:14:14 < Geleia> that's what I like to use to program 8bit MCUs
2014-05-22T19:14:22 < SlaveToTheSauce> i assume you've already got all that sorted out though
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2014-05-22T19:14:38 < Geleia> eclipse with avr-gcc at max
2014-05-22T19:15:21 < Geleia> I'm still a little confused with the debugger and programmers
2014-05-22T19:15:37 < Geleia> but this board doesn't have a debugger and I don't have a standalone
2014-05-22T19:15:58 < SlaveToTheSauce> how did you get an led flashing then
2014-05-22T19:15:59 < Geleia> and I'll just program it through the serial bootloader, so I guess I don't have to worry about it right now
2014-05-22T19:16:02 < SlaveToTheSauce> ah
2014-05-22T19:16:30 < karlp> you should learn to use the debug interface straight away, rather than ignoring it, it will be helpful in the long run
2014-05-22T19:16:49 < SlaveToTheSauce> that is one very good reason to get a discovery i guess, the onboard stlink can be used to program/debug other stuff
2014-05-22T19:16:52 < Geleia> karlp: problem is I don't have it right now
2014-05-22T19:17:19 < Geleia> I'll order a discovery board, but until then I'll have to use this F103 breakout
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2014-05-22T20:03:41 < owl-v-> Geleia: u can view changes in values in the memory by using the debugger.
2014-05-22T20:04:36 < Geleia> owl-v-: yep, I know
2014-05-22T20:04:51 < Geleia> I've used a PIC debugger when I worked with PIC
2014-05-22T20:05:03 < owl-v-> ah, mplabx
2014-05-22T20:05:20 < Geleia> I avoid PIC nowadays :<
2014-05-22T20:05:25 < owl-v-> y?
2014-05-22T20:05:39 < Geleia> I like AVR better
2014-05-22T20:06:03 < owl-v-> *shrug*
2014-05-22T20:06:08 < Geleia> still, there are some things I like on pics, like bit adressable registers
2014-05-22T20:07:30 < owl-v-> what's bit addressable registers
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2014-05-22T20:13:46 < owl-v-> Geleia: which PIC did u use?
2014-05-22T20:15:51 < owl-v-> u mean 1bit-addressable and not 8bit-addressable?
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2014-05-22T20:19:16 < jpa-> Geleia: there are bit banding memory areas on ARM Cortex
2014-05-22T20:19:57 < gxti> it's not as convenient as PIC's set/clear bit instructions. i should look into making use of them though.
2014-05-22T20:20:23 < jpa-> convenient how?
2014-05-22T20:20:45 < jpa-> who cares what magic happens inside the macro that computes the address?
2014-05-22T20:22:42 < zyp> the fact that you have to use a macro at all makes it less convenient
2014-05-22T20:23:09 < gxti> it also compiles to more than one instruction
2014-05-22T20:23:41 < gxti> and i presume the cpu core is still doing a load/modify/store under the covers, it just uses less program memory
2014-05-22T20:23:51 < zyp> yes, it does
2014-05-22T20:23:52 < gxti> of course the reason the PIC can do it in one instruction is because it's slow
2014-05-22T20:24:44 < owl-v-> jpa-: may macro matters if the license say that u cannot compile the code unless u need to pay for $1M for the tool?
2014-05-22T20:24:50 < gxti> still worthwhile even if all it does is save program memory
2014-05-22T20:24:55 < jpa-> owl-v-: what?
2014-05-22T20:26:01 < zyp> gxti, IMO it would only be worthwhile if the compiler could detect single bit RMW operations and convert them to bitband accesses as an optimization step
2014-05-22T20:26:19 < owl-v-> one of the altoic license is in the startup code for stm32f4Discovery :P
2014-05-22T20:26:34 < gxti> that would be nice, but even just for the macros i already have for GPIOs etc could benefit from it
2014-05-22T20:26:50 < karlp> owl-v-: no,it's in the startup code _for_ atollic.
2014-05-22T20:26:56 < zyp> gxti, not really, gpios have BSRR which is much better
2014-05-22T20:27:02 < gxti> er yeah
2014-05-22T20:27:04 < karlp> there's also licensed keil/iar files too
2014-05-22T20:27:04 < gxti> never mind
2014-05-22T20:27:34 < gxti> i had something in mind but i forgot what it was
2014-05-22T20:27:49 < owl-v-> karlp: is that mean i need to make my own startup code?
2014-05-22T20:29:02 < karlp> read the license yourself...
2014-05-22T20:34:17 < owl-v-> karlp: i'm not going to use atolic compiler.
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2014-05-22T20:35:37 < owl-v-> unless somebody make me to by paying $1M
2014-05-22T20:41:11 < gxti> well since atollic costs literally billions of dollars which you definitely have to pay to even look at their startup code, maybe you could write your own. you might learn something.
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2014-05-22T21:00:41 < owl-v-> i'm having trouble understanding the code for SPI :/
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2014-05-22T21:19:22 < owl-v-> what's this? >> GPIO_InitStructure.GPIO_Speed = GPIO_Speed_50MHz;
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2014-05-22T21:21:30 < jpa-> rate limiter to reduce emi
2014-05-22T21:21:44 < SlaveToTheSauce> the dumb gpio_init function turns that into a value for the gpio's ospeedr register
2014-05-22T21:22:24 < SlaveToTheSauce> which yeah, sets output impedance
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2014-05-22T21:49:33 < owl-v-> mm? rc time?
2014-05-22T21:51:00 < owl-v-> where did that 15pF come from? >> GPIO_Speed_100MHz = 0x03  /*!< High speed on 30 pF (80 MHz Output max speed on 15 pF) */
2014-05-22T21:51:20 < SlaveToTheSauce> max current
2014-05-22T21:52:04 < SlaveToTheSauce> the datasheet makes this stuff clearer
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2014-05-22T22:01:39 < owl-v-> so.. is 15pF internal component?
2014-05-22T22:01:57 < SlaveToTheSauce> external load
2014-05-22T22:02:22 < gxti> it's an example of how much a digital output pin might be loaded
2014-05-22T22:02:42 < gxti> if it's more loaded then the max speed will be lower
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2014-05-22T22:07:20 < owl-v-> i can't just connect SPI without finding loads?
2014-05-22T22:07:56 < gxti> i don't know, what do you think?
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2014-05-22T22:17:27 < qyx_> surely can't, it may blow up
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2014-05-22T22:29:11 < owl-v-> blow up which one? external device or stm32?
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2014-05-22T22:31:41 < gxti> blow up the neighborhood
2014-05-22T22:31:57 < gxti> the FBI will show up and arrest you because you used too much current
2014-05-22T22:33:18 < Steffanx> only in the USA
2014-05-22T22:33:36 < gxti> no Steffanx, anywhere
2014-05-22T22:33:46 < gxti> terrorism doesn't care about boundaries
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2014-05-22T22:35:21 < Steffanx> yeah, NSA and stuff :P
2014-05-22T22:35:41 < gxti> freedom-loving predator drones also don't care about boundaries
2014-05-22T22:39:27 < owl-v-> only the sky is the limit
2014-05-22T22:45:12 < owl-v-> GPIOI ...  I don't see PI1 on the board
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2014-05-22T22:46:17 < SlaveToTheSauce> probably only exists on bigger package versions of the micro
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2014-05-22T22:55:38 < owl-v-> oh no... i can't use SPI to interface external lcd :P
2014-05-22T22:55:56 < owl-v-> all the SPI pins are used by other chips :P
2014-05-22T22:58:29 < SlaveToTheSauce> if you aren't using them, it doesn't matter, just don't assert their slave select pins and their miso outputs will stay tristated
2014-05-22T23:06:00 < Geleia> when I read MISO I always remember this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miso
2014-05-22T23:06:06 < Geleia> and I get hungry
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2014-05-22T23:17:01 < SlaveToTheSauce> spi is much less tasty
2014-05-22T23:17:22 < SlaveToTheSauce> the soup generally has an inferior bitrate though
2014-05-22T23:17:37 < Steffanx> Whos fault is it.. i always think "SPY" now.
2014-05-22T23:17:48 < SlaveToTheSauce> blame hackaday
2014-05-22T23:18:13 < Steffanx> For me it was S-P-I :(
2014-05-22T23:18:38 < SlaveToTheSauce> yeah me too, and it remains that way
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2014-05-22T23:20:34 < mcpherrin> I had a job interview once that went pretty south because my interviewer was talking about "spy flash" and I was totally lost
2014-05-22T23:21:19 < Steffanx> hah
2014-05-22T23:21:30 < Steffanx> I think i would be lost too.
2014-05-22T23:21:58 < gxti> didn't we just blog about this yesterday
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2014-05-22T23:22:29 < scrts> Steffanx: agreed, I also always say S.P.I.
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2014-05-23T00:10:39 < efuentes> Hi Everyone
2014-05-23T00:11:00 < efuentes> I'm trying to connect to an stm32f042 using an st link
2014-05-23T00:11:02 < efuentes> using openocd
2014-05-23T00:11:06 < synic> if I use an internal pull-down resistor for a button, do I still need to use an external resistor between VDD and the input pin?
2014-05-23T00:11:12 < efuentes> it doesn't seem like support has been added for it yet
2014-05-23T00:11:22 < efuentes> can someone point me in the right direction of where I should look?
2014-05-23T00:11:26 < efuentes> I get the following warning
2014-05-23T00:11:27 < efuentes> Info : device id = 0x10006445 Warn : Cannot identify target as a STM32 family.
2014-05-23T00:12:02 < synic> efuentes: what version of openocd?
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2014-05-23T00:59:19 < mtbg> hi
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2014-05-23T02:20:59 < dongs> karlp: ISZ you mean?
2014-05-23T02:21:03 < dongs> we're using them in some shit now y eah
2014-05-23T02:21:24 < dongs> oh, IBZ.
2014-05-23T02:21:30 < dongs> no we're using some legit intersil stuff
2014-05-23T02:21:34 < dongs> ISZ3xxx soemthign
2014-05-23T02:21:55 < karlp> yeah,  isz 3483 or some shit
2014-05-23T02:21:59 < karlp> ends in ibz
2014-05-23T02:22:20 < dongs> heh, nice
2014-05-23T02:22:28 < dongs> you could xray them and see if die looks different and shit
2014-05-23T02:22:45 < karlp> not enough volume on these
2014-05-23T02:22:47 < dongs> did that to some china mosfets i got before... totally diffefrent size/die
2014-05-23T02:22:58 < karlp> we're not pro enough for that :)
2014-05-23T02:23:21 < karlp> I'm not 1005 sure, but I'm pretty sure this was pcbcart assembly service
2014-05-23T02:23:34 < karlp> they work ok, it was just some german compliance pre-testing,
2014-05-23T02:23:45 < karlp> checking whether the drive voltage was "within specs"
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2014-05-23T02:35:36 < dongs> hmm
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2014-05-23T03:02:54  * emeb furiously compiles an FPGA
2014-05-23T03:04:23  * BrainDamage violently place and routes
2014-05-23T03:05:08 < qyx_> too much rage
2014-05-23T03:05:30 < emeb> well, actually the laptop is furiously compiling. I'm just sitting, watching kittens on a webcam and listening to my airband receiver
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2014-05-23T03:13:07 < ds2> kittens webcam?
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2014-05-23T03:22:40 < gnomad> awww.
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2014-05-23T03:36:01 < emeb> yep - kittens. it's come to this.
2014-05-23T03:38:33 < dongs> no wonder you own a mac
2014-05-23T03:39:10 < gnomad> hmm, don't you own one now, too?
2014-05-23T03:39:23 < dongs> it hasnt arived yet
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2014-05-23T03:40:31 < gnomad> so, ownership is like schrodenger's cat?
2014-05-23T03:40:41 < dongs> haha
2014-05-23T03:41:53 < dongs> windows post-it notes is so cute
2014-05-23T03:41:57 < dongs> the default win7/8 app
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2014-05-23T04:07:12 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoPEQLCIMAEdc6c.jpg:large
2014-05-23T04:07:12 < dongs> wat
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2014-05-23T04:34:01 < emeb_mac> latest stupid project: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/stbone/index.html
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2014-05-23T04:56:14 < dongs> haha
2014-05-23T04:56:27 < dongs> how could you possibly miss oppotunity to call it STM32BONER
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2014-05-23T04:57:33 < dongs> dat gEDA
2014-05-23T04:57:46 < dongs> that DC socket hole
2014-05-23T04:57:49 < dongs> looks fucking ginormous
2014-05-23T04:57:54 < dongs> can geda do slotted holes or wat
2014-05-23T04:57:55 < dongs> jebus
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2014-05-23T04:59:44 < emeb_mac> dongs: dunno if gEDA does slots or not
2014-05-23T04:59:52 < emeb_mac> but OSHpark def doesn't
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2014-05-23T05:00:56 < dongs> failcity.
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2014-05-23T05:03:27 < emeb_mac> ya. slots would be nice
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2014-05-23T07:06:32 < Nutter> emeb_mac: I think OSHPark does internal cutouts/slots, just not plated
2014-05-23T07:07:04 < dongs> maybe they dont know how to G85!!!
2014-05-23T07:07:06 < dongs> in 2014
2014-05-23T07:07:08 < dongs> unacceptable
2014-05-23T07:08:11 < emeb_mac> Nutter: well, plated is what is needed for those CUI barrel-style power connectors.
2014-05-23T07:08:26 < dongs> definitely.
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2014-05-23T07:08:59 < dongs> i should rub it in by posting a pic of similar connector wiht oval holes
2014-05-23T07:09:00 < Nutter> ah yeah then nerp :/
2014-05-23T07:09:02 < dongs> made by a proper pcb fab
2014-05-23T07:09:42 < Nutter> oh hey talsit!! Richard from hacker camp :)
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2014-05-23T07:12:12 < Nutter> here's their docs on cutouts: http://support.oshpark.com/support/solutions/articles/134889-internal-cutouts-and
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2014-05-23T07:12:35 < Nutter> uses those jacks as an example of what's not supported :P
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2014-05-23T07:13:17 < Nutter> still, they're purple so win for me every time
2014-05-23T07:13:34 < Nutter> wish I could throw money at Laen for quick turn though :(
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2014-05-23T07:17:37 < zippe> OSH are good for cheap and low maintanance
2014-05-23T07:18:05 < zippe> If you don't want anything complex or in a hurry
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2014-05-23T08:32:50 < emeb_mac> "...the connector will not fit and you will be sad."
2014-05-23T08:32:52 < emeb_mac> word
2014-05-23T08:35:44 < jpa-> you are now sad?
2014-05-23T08:38:08 < emeb_mac> nope - I used big-ass vias so my connector fits.
2014-05-23T08:38:43 < emeb_mac> but it takes like a pound of solder to fill those holes.
2014-05-23T08:42:50 < zyp> maybe you'd save some weight if you used unleaded solder? :p
2014-05-23T08:45:16 < dongs> wat\
2014-05-23T08:45:23 < dongs> isnt leaded heavier
2014-05-23T08:45:27 < dongs> oh, thats wat you said
2014-05-23T08:45:31 < dongs> reading comprehension fail
2014-05-23T08:45:33 < dongs> ESL++
2014-05-23T08:45:36 < zyp> well, dunno really
2014-05-23T08:47:51 < zyp> yeah, looks like leaded solder is in general around 15% heavier than unleaded
2014-05-23T08:48:34 < emeb_mac> engineers - make silly jokes and then get bogged down doing research to explain them. :)
2014-05-23T08:48:59 < zyp> ;)
2014-05-23T08:50:19 < emeb_mac> meh - forgot the mounting holes on that board. need to push some parts around.
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2014-05-23T09:44:06 < dongs> heh nice
2014-05-23T09:44:17 < dongs> pudn had full set of ISO 11898
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2014-05-23T09:53:25 < emeb_mac> doin' the can can?
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2014-05-23T09:57:07 < Nutter> you can try to can can, but doesn't mean you can can can
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2014-05-23T10:14:03 < dongs> fuckityfuck
2014-05-23T10:14:10 < dongs> went to load those pfets into dicknplace and they're not evne SOT23
2014-05-23T10:14:14 < dongs> fucking clowns
2014-05-23T10:14:40 < dongs> Package / Case:SOT-323-3
2014-05-23T10:14:44 < dongs> FuUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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2014-05-23T10:24:32 < owl-v-> If i'm not using onboard SPI device, now do i use SPI on external device with DMA? all the example codes are using DMA.
2014-05-23T10:27:30 < dongs> questions must be in the form of an answer
2014-05-23T10:29:27 < owl-v-> external SPI device conflicts with onboard device because DMA is used. basically NSS is controlled by hardware and not software.
2014-05-23T10:29:43 < owl-v-> fml
2014-05-23T10:29:56 < owl-v-> i need solution
2014-05-23T10:29:59 < dongs> you make no fuckign sense
2014-05-23T10:30:04 < dongs> (and im not trolling)
2014-05-23T10:30:32 < owl-v-> i don't know how to make it "form of an answer"
2014-05-23T10:30:49 < dongs> how can external SPI device conflict with something beacues of DMA
2014-05-23T10:30:49 < owl-v-> (and I'm not joking)
2014-05-23T10:30:53 < dongs> are tehy on same DMA channel or what
2014-05-23T10:31:15 < owl-v-> same SPI bus
2014-05-23T10:31:19 < dongs> ???
2014-05-23T10:31:54 < dongs> same spi bus for what?
2014-05-23T10:32:02 < dongs> if youre master, you use any random gpio for chipselect
2014-05-23T10:32:04 < owl-v-> on Discovery board
2014-05-23T10:33:21 < owl-v-> oh, nice
2014-05-23T10:33:28 < owl-v-> there is option
2014-05-23T10:33:37 < owl-v-> soft NSS and hard NSS
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2014-05-23T11:01:37 < dongs> my NSS is hard, if you catch my drift
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2014-05-23T14:35:37 < dongs> < beaky> ok so i made 1 turns on my primary, and 20 turns on my secondary
2014-05-23T14:35:38 < dongs> haha
2014-05-23T14:35:45 < dongs> beaky is trolling in another channel
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2014-05-23T14:48:11 < zyp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151308445876
2014-05-23T14:52:46 < dongs> looks legit
2014-05-23T14:53:11 < zyp> sadly he doesn't ship outside australia
2014-05-23T14:53:37 < dongs> and fuck, that d umb silabs fet with wrong pinout is STILL too crap RDSOn
2014-05-23T14:55:42 < zyp> what's the application?
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2014-05-23T15:12:45 < dongs> sd switch
2014-05-23T15:13:00 < dongs> ill just use the shit qyx_ or gxti or whoever tweeted last tiem
2014-05-23T15:13:12 < dongs> i let the fucks at the other office pick one and not only is it wrong sizse, its shit spec too
2014-05-23T15:20:27 < trepidaciousMBR> zyp: Wow, it actually has bids...
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2014-05-23T15:37:13 < karlp> better image from yesterday: http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/isl83483-clone-left-orig-right.jpg
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2014-05-23T15:45:15 < owl-v-> how do i transfer 8bit to SPI using DMA?
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2014-05-23T15:46:37 < Steffanx> You talk with beaky often owl-v- ?
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2014-05-23T15:59:16 < owl-v-> who is beaky?
2014-05-23T15:59:33 < owl-v-> oh, myself?
2014-05-23T16:03:46 < GargantuaSauce> your predecessor
2014-05-23T16:05:08 < owl-v-> if i use buffer for SPI-DMA, do i simply write to buffer?
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2014-05-23T16:24:46 < owl-v-> does this transfer data? >> SPI_Cmd(SPIx, ENABLE);
2014-05-23T16:34:56 < dongs> no
2014-05-23T16:35:08 < dongs> why dont you try to actually look at some examples??
2014-05-23T16:35:15 < dongs> from stdperiphlib.
2014-05-23T16:35:17 < dongs> or even CUBE.
2014-05-23T16:35:38 < gxti> we've tried telling him that before but he does not listen. some people are too dense to even troll.
2014-05-23T16:35:46 < dongs> right
2014-05-23T16:35:59 < owl-v-> actually this code is from the example
2014-05-23T16:36:41 < owl-v-> i just copy and pasted
2014-05-23T16:37:17 < dongs> i forgot wat was your goal?
2014-05-23T16:38:28 < owl-v-> which line does transmit data to SPI bus? >> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/AKne1c83.html
2014-05-23T16:38:44 < zyp> the horizontal line
2014-05-23T16:39:31 < owl-v-> i don't think the horizontal line is useful in this case
2014-05-23T16:39:45 < gxti> zyp is an expert on lines
2014-05-23T16:39:50 < gxti> you should listen to him
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2014-05-23T16:45:01 < Laurenceb__> attn dongs:  http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Alamode-CNC-Controller/?ALLSTEPS
2014-05-23T16:46:18 < gxti> ah yes, operating dangerous machinery from a bitbang gpio port
2014-05-23T16:47:17 < gxti> i think i'd rather it have an actual arduino. at least the enclosure looks nice.
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2014-05-23T16:53:10 < owl-v-> SPI_I2S_DMACmd(SPIx, SPI_I2S_DMAReq_Tx, DISABLE);
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2014-05-23T17:06:35 < edmont> hi
2014-05-23T17:07:39 < edmont> i'd like to receive data from spi to a buffer, and then assign that buffer data to the middle of a structure
2014-05-23T17:07:50 < edmont> is it possible to do that?
2014-05-23T17:07:55 < dongs> why is there "then"?
2014-05-23T17:08:27 < dongs> struct foo { ...; uint8_t buffer[1024]; ... }; struct foo bar; spidma.cmar = &bar.buffer;
2014-05-23T17:08:30 < dongs> done
2014-05-23T17:08:38 < edmont> like:
2014-05-23T17:08:38 < edmont> memcpy((void *)(&struct+offset), (const void*)&buffer, size);
2014-05-23T17:08:41 < dongs> why?
2014-05-23T17:08:50 < dongs> just transfer to that buffer directly
2014-05-23T17:08:53 < dongs> doublebuffer if you need to.
2014-05-23T17:09:40 < dongs> why would you care about "offset" to a struct hwen  you can access its members directly?
2014-05-23T17:09:41 < edmont> the thing is the received data is supposed to "fit" in the types declared by the struct
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2014-05-23T17:10:00 < dongs> sure, so? wheres the problem
2014-05-23T17:10:05 < trepidaciousMBR> edmont: If the structure is in DMA'able memory it's all fine
2014-05-23T17:10:17 < trepidaciousMBR> edmont: You will have to be very careful about packing etc.
2014-05-23T17:10:27 < edmont> dongs: i'm worried about memory addressing
2014-05-23T17:10:53 < trepidaciousMBR> edmont: But memory is memory, if it supports DMA you can DMA to it, it will work the same as DMAing somewhere else then copying
2014-05-23T17:10:54 < dongs> waht do you think will hapen?
2014-05-23T17:11:14 < edmont> i mean, addresses refer to 32 bit words right?
2014-05-23T17:11:19 < dongs> no?
2014-05-23T17:11:45 < edmont> what if the struct member is in the middle of that word?
2014-05-23T17:12:03 < dongs> if struct is __attribute(packed) or wahtever then it will be fine
2014-05-23T17:12:29 < dongs> but if both ends are stm32 it probably doesnt matter...
2014-05-23T17:12:56 < edmont> yes, struct is packed
2014-05-23T17:13:04 < trepidaciousMBR> Doesn't it depend on what the compiler is feeling like that day? ;)
2014-05-23T17:13:39 < edmont> trepidaciousMBR: do you suggest using DMA instead of memcpy?
2014-05-23T17:13:49 < dongs> it wont make any difference
2014-05-23T17:14:21 < trepidaciousMBR> edmont: Yup like dongs says it should amke no difference, unless the struct is in non-DMA memory
2014-05-23T17:14:43 < trepidaciousMBR> edmont: Personally I don't like relying on the packing/layout of structs though
2014-05-23T17:15:52 < trepidaciousMBR> edmont: But I don't really know the details of what you want to achieve
2014-05-23T17:16:18 < edmont> chip to chip communications in the same board
2014-05-23T17:16:25 < edmont> i program both chips
2014-05-23T17:16:56 < edmont> so i just need to make sure structs are the same in both sides
2014-05-23T17:17:15 < edmont> they won't change after :)
2014-05-23T17:17:18 < trepidaciousMBR> edmont: For similar things I use nanopb, but it's probably overkill
2014-05-23T17:17:55 < edmont> good to know
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2014-05-23T18:16:12 < owl-v-> dongs: omg!
2014-05-23T18:16:21 < dongs> what
2014-05-23T18:16:23 < dongs> fuck
2014-05-23T18:16:29 < dongs> deja vu
2014-05-23T18:16:33 < owl-v-> ...
2014-05-23T18:16:52 < dongs> its beaky and owl-v- together.
2014-05-23T18:17:39 < anick_fixed> I want to see what happens.
2014-05-23T18:18:50 < owl-v-> omg. it's like answering to myself.
2014-05-23T18:20:05 < BrainDamage> wow, I tought a black hole would be generated by packing so much info sink in the same place
2014-05-23T18:20:51 < owl-v-> BrainDamage: did u get Permanent Head Damage?
2014-05-23T18:21:10 < BrainDamage> owl-v-: are you beaky?
2014-05-23T18:21:20 < owl-v-> ah... ask dongs
2014-05-23T18:21:37 < dongs> http://askdongs.com/are-you-beaky
2014-05-23T18:21:55 < owl-v-> lol
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2014-05-23T18:30:51 < englishman> dongs: oshpark does support plated slots and i had some boards that have that done
2014-05-23T18:31:02 < englishman> but it is "unofficially" supported due to nubs not knowing how to do it
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2014-05-23T18:33:11 < dongs> > eagle problem
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2014-05-23T18:33:54 < dongs> http://www.japanhifi.com/1066mhz/
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2014-05-23T18:35:11 < SlaveToTheSauce_> so many jiggahertz
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2014-05-23T18:41:45 < Laurenceb__> how do i grab data from a serial port in linux?
2014-05-23T18:41:53 < Laurenceb__> using shjell script
2014-05-23T18:42:02 < dongs> probaly some trash involving "cat"
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2014-05-23T18:42:13 < Laurenceb__> its just returning
2014-05-23T18:42:15 < dongs> (which launches a shell process AND /bin/cat
2014-05-23T18:42:25 < dongs> so it actually starts so many processes to do a simple thing
2014-05-23T18:42:27 < Laurenceb__> rage
2014-05-23T18:42:30 < BrainDamage> dd ?
2014-05-23T18:42:37 < Laurenceb__> hmm
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2014-05-23T18:43:40 < Laurenceb__> how do i set number of bytes?
2014-05-23T18:44:03 < BrainDamage> the serial port properties are set trough IOCTL
2014-05-23T18:45:33 < Laurenceb__> something is failing
2014-05-23T18:45:48 < SlaveToTheSauce_> it's you
2014-05-23T18:45:51 < BrainDamage> we knew since the moment you entered the channel
2014-05-23T18:45:56 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-05-23T18:46:07 < Laurenceb__> it just dies
2014-05-23T18:47:52 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: you need stty before that
2014-05-23T18:48:25 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: startup minicom, in another session grab stty settings, then apply wherever you need.
2014-05-23T18:49:04 < PaulFertser> Disable flow control etc
2014-05-23T18:51:06 < Laurenceb__> i found it
2014-05-23T18:51:13 < Laurenceb__> it was open in a dead screen session
2014-05-23T18:53:12 < SlaveToTheSauce_> when i press 'k' it autocompletes to 'killall screen'
2014-05-23T18:53:42 < PaulFertser> lsof | grep
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2014-05-23T19:18:24 < gxti> ever since i discovered that screen can open serial ports i haven't used minicom once
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2014-05-23T19:33:27 < owl-v-> gxti: i think mini com is more reliable *shrug*
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2014-05-23T20:00:04 < owl-v-> make it better, make it stronger, one more time :-)   >> http://youtu.be/3MteSlpxCpo
2014-05-23T20:05:19 < zippe> So many awesome groups...
2014-05-23T20:06:10 < zippe> If you like Pentatonix, how about Walk off the Earth?
2014-05-23T20:06:56 < zippe> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9NF2edxy-M
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2014-05-23T20:09:48 < zippe> This one might be a better bridge between the two groups … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcM14Al83Ls
2014-05-23T20:10:13 < zippe> KRNFX is a hoot
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2014-05-23T20:50:09 < trepidaciousMBR> minicom?
2014-05-23T20:50:12 < trepidaciousMBR> awful :(
2014-05-23T20:50:50 < gxti> i'm sure it was awesome in the 90s
2014-05-23T20:51:29 < trepidaciousMBR> I like gtkterm
2014-05-23T20:51:38 < trepidaciousMBR> I used to have pretty much daily problems with stupid minicom
2014-05-23T20:52:18 < gxti> i especially like how it just freezes if you unplug the usb device, until you plug it back in. but then it reconnects and works.
2014-05-23T20:52:47 < gxti> so it's not like it freaks out because the device disappeared, it's something someone actually thought would be a good feature
2014-05-23T20:53:05 < gxti> hey the port went away, i'm going to sit here and ignore your requests to quit until it comes back.
2014-05-23T20:56:11 < trepidaciousMBR> ]:)
2014-05-23T20:57:03 < trepidaciousMBR> The main thing I remember was having to restart it and change the device name back every time I left it alone for 5 minutes :)
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2014-05-23T21:54:03 < owl-v-> gxti: screen also freeze, too if u yank out usb device
2014-05-23T21:54:52 < owl-v-> time to reboot
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2014-05-23T21:59:39 < owl-v-> i'm back ( like a phonix )
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2014-05-23T22:11:18 < owl-v-> previous irc nick-name
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2014-05-23T22:34:38 < Laurenceb> http://technicalillusions.com/castar/
2014-05-23T22:34:39 < Laurenceb> wut
2014-05-23T22:34:43 < Laurenceb> no CSS
2014-05-23T22:34:51 < Laurenceb> description
2014-05-23T22:35:10 < Laurenceb> or descritption?
2014-05-23T22:35:59 < Steffanx> you're not supposed to visit that website...
2014-05-23T22:36:16 < owl-v-> ... CSS missing?
2014-05-23T22:37:04 < owl-v-> well... what do u know >> http://technicalillusions.com/wp-content/themes/TechStorm/lib/css/defaults.css
2014-05-23T22:37:12 < owl-v-> i looked at the source
2014-05-23T22:37:19 < Steffanx> nothing important..
2014-05-23T22:37:35 < Steffanx> just ignore and move on owl-v-  :)
2014-05-23T22:37:46 < owl-v-> thinking in the background... ㅋㅋ
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2014-05-23T22:39:19 < owl-v-> isn't it what Jeri Ellsworth was developing for many years?
2014-05-23T22:39:57 < Laurenceb> supposedly
2014-05-23T22:40:14 < owl-v-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeri_Ellsworth
2014-05-23T22:40:39 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2014/05/23/homemade-liquid-nitrogen/
2014-05-23T22:40:46 < Laurenceb> wow thats impressive
2014-05-23T22:44:51 < owl-v-> omg wtf js dot com >> http://wtfjs.com/
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2014-05-23T22:51:29 < owl-v-> \u2661
2014-05-23T22:52:17 < owl-v-> %u2661
2014-05-23T22:52:33 < Steffanx> Go sleep owl-v- :P
2014-05-23T22:53:00 < owl-v-> good nite every 1
2014-05-23T22:54:19 < Steffanx> lol
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2014-05-23T23:48:16 < gnomad> I don't think Jeri was working on the castAR thing prior to working at valve, so "many years" is rather an overstatement.
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2014-05-23T23:55:31 < Laurenceb> i dont think it will ever be ready
2014-05-23T23:55:52 < Laurenceb> everyone has cancelled laser DLP stuff for phones
2014-05-23T23:56:09 < Laurenceb> so there is no suitable kit off the shelf for what the want to build
2014-05-23T23:56:13 < Laurenceb> *they
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2014-05-24T00:05:34 < Laurenceb> meanwhile on the internet http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/115915_trj001.gif
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2014-05-24T00:29:43 < sterna> !say vilse
2014-05-24T00:29:50 < sterna> oops wrong
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2014-05-24T07:45:13 < owl-v-> gnomad: she had the concept and valve didn't. if the idea was valve's then they wouldn't give it to her.
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2014-05-24T07:46:41 < owl-v-> lol a professor asked me how i would sort an array.
2014-05-24T07:48:35 < owl-v-> during an interview :/
2014-05-24T07:48:44 < gnomad> The story, as I heard it, was that Valve hired her to work on their VR project.  Valve decided to dump the project, and let her have the tech she developed there.
2014-05-24T07:49:17 < gnomad> If you've got a reference to something contrary, please share it...
2014-05-24T07:52:26 < dongs> and shes going to fail it
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2014-05-24T08:04:47 < owl-v-> ah, i see. she was one of the valve hardware team, exploring inputs and outputs. and the team got fired! valve don't' see it profitable so valve let her have the project {because she begged with tears T-T   }
2014-05-24T08:04:58 < owl-v-> >> http://youtu.be/cc2NQVQK69A
2014-05-24T08:05:43 < dongs> owl-v-: I continued using the term "she" just to keep context.
2014-05-24T08:05:50 < owl-v-> and that was her idea :P
2014-05-24T08:06:28 < dongs> jerry ellisworthless is just an attention whore
2014-05-24T08:06:31 < dongs> without any actual skills
2014-05-24T08:06:52 < owl-v-> dongs: does context matters if u use the term "she"?
2014-05-24T08:07:32 < dongs> owl-v-: there is some evidence that it could very well be a "he"
2014-05-24T08:07:46 < owl-v-> she did have interesting projects, but not profitable *shrug*
2014-05-24T08:08:20 < owl-v-> dongs: omg! (like a phonix~)
2014-05-24T08:08:50 < owl-v-> damn... that song... haunting me...
2014-05-24T08:10:33 < dongs> what.
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2014-05-24T08:52:01 < owl-v-> dongs> owl-v-: there is some evidence that it could very well be a "he"
2014-05-24T08:52:10 < owl-v-> owl-v-> dongs: omg! (like a phonix~)
2014-05-24T08:52:25 < owl-v-> <owl-v-> damn... that song... haunting me...
2014-05-24T08:53:05 < dongs> still dont get it.
2014-05-24T08:53:10 < dongs> sorry, i dont keep track of american top 40
2014-05-24T08:53:24 < owl-v-> that's no american
2014-05-24T08:53:48 < dongs> my playlist only contains jpop and davichi
2014-05-24T08:53:50 < owl-v-> tyop :P
2014-05-24T08:54:00 < owl-v-> typo :P
2014-05-24T08:54:06 < owl-v-> Phoenix
2014-05-24T08:54:32 < owl-v-> she(he) is an Austrian
2014-05-24T08:54:58 < owl-v-> http://youtu.be/ToqNa0rqUtY
2014-05-24T08:55:07 < dongs> oh taht recent eurotrash
2014-05-24T08:55:13 < dongs> no thanks not clicking
2014-05-24T08:58:03 < owl-v-> lol
2014-05-24T08:58:36 < owl-v-> that's why i said >> (<owl-v-> damn... that song... haunting me...)
2014-05-24T09:18:00 < owl-v-> lol GIT-torrent. make it happen >> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/612530753/gitchain?ref=discovery
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2014-05-24T11:14:01 < gnomad> Of all the MtF EEs (and there are many) I really don't think Jeri is one.
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2014-05-24T11:46:20 < dongs> gnomad: thats the catch. jerry is not even an EE.
2014-05-24T11:47:52 < dongs> omg
2014-05-24T11:47:57 < dongs> i just got the most amazing altium tim
2014-05-24T11:47:59 < dongs> tip
2014-05-24T11:48:02 < dongs>  try ctrl+click the layer tab or right click tab and click
2014-05-24T11:48:02 < dongs>           'highlight' and use [ and ] to change the grey out of the non-highlighted masks
2014-05-24T11:48:23 < dongs> that is like exactly what i wanted to do
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2014-05-24T12:31:04 < owl-v-> lol "the pile of poo" >> http://youtu.be/ksnuZfj9Lx0
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2014-05-24T12:35:29 < dongs> 38 minutes???????????????????????????
2014-05-24T12:35:53 < dongs> chrome sucks????
2014-05-24T12:35:58 < dongs> doesnt opera use webkit now anyway
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2014-05-24T12:56:28 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/DfZUVK49.html ok wat
2014-05-24T12:56:40 < dongs> owl-v- / beaky take lessons
2014-05-24T12:59:12 < gnomad> is beaky still around?
2014-05-24T12:59:30 < dongs> duno i have him on ignore
2014-05-24T12:59:37 < dongs> my script was going off earlier today that he was cahtting tho
2014-05-24T13:00:21 < gnomad> btw, s/EE/people that dork with electronics/
2014-05-24T13:03:25 < dongs> sure
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2014-05-24T16:17:03 < GargantuaSauce> gnomad: the technical term is IRCEE
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2014-05-24T17:11:44 < dongs> haha
2014-05-24T17:11:47 < dongs> indeed
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2014-05-24T19:34:06 < Laurenceb> anyone here any good with shell scripts?
2014-05-24T19:34:31 < Laurenceb> i have a drive containing lots of directories and filenames with spaces (its windoze)
2014-05-24T19:34:57 < Laurenceb> i need to copy all the files that have a name matching a search string out of the drive and store them
2014-05-24T19:35:08 < Laurenceb> something involving find?
2014-05-24T19:37:09 < superbia> trollolo
2014-05-24T19:37:32 < superbia> searching for advanced windows term skills
2014-05-24T19:37:38 < superbia> --> dongs
2014-05-24T19:37:41 < Laurenceb> yeah some perman00bs trolled me
2014-05-24T19:37:56 < superbia> on propper OS-es
2014-05-24T19:38:00 < Laurenceb> terminally incapable of organising their data
2014-05-24T19:38:15 < superbia> i can halp.. but gt dinner
2014-05-24T19:38:21 < superbia> brb 30 mins
2014-05-24T19:38:23 < Laurenceb> heh ok
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2014-05-24T19:42:06 < gxti> find /butts -name *whatever* -exec cp {} /dest/ \;
2014-05-24T19:42:25 < Laurenceb> butt /butts contains spaces
2014-05-24T19:42:32 < gxti> so put quotes on it
2014-05-24T19:42:45 < Laurenceb> then its saying it cant be found
2014-05-24T19:43:16 < gxti> can you cd to it?
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2014-05-24T19:44:20 < Laurenceb> oh it doesnt like ~/
2014-05-24T19:44:36 < gxti> not inside the quotes, then it's just a literal '~'
2014-05-24T19:45:03 < Laurenceb> got it thanks
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2014-05-24T20:22:16 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: I know how to do that
2014-05-24T20:22:46 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: yes, use find -iname '*your template*' -print0
2014-05-24T20:23:14 < PaulFertser> if you want to do something more complicated than a single cp.
2014-05-24T20:25:26 < PaulFertser> xargs -0 will accept a list of names separated by 0
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2014-05-25T01:59:51 < dongs> sup lack of  chats
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2014-05-25T02:14:39 < emeb_mac> too busy bloggin
2014-05-25T02:14:53 < dongs> thought so
2014-05-25T02:15:28 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4fd_1400921453 lol @ rich white trash
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2014-05-25T03:25:07 < englishman> basement dweller with a bimer
2014-05-25T03:31:46 < englishman> A week prior to the shooting, his parents reported him to police after being concerned about his behavior and seeing his YouTube videos; officers who interviewed Rodger described him as "polite and kind".
2014-05-25T03:31:57 < englishman> cops are useful.
2014-05-25T03:58:16 < dongs> http://teespring.com/autorouter
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2014-05-25T04:14:28 < dongs> hm
2014-05-25T04:14:32 < dongs> just found one of my jlink clones
2014-05-25T04:14:33 < dongs> and update dfirmware
2014-05-25T04:14:44 < dongs> to nov25 version or so (whatever came wiht my last jlink tools install)
2014-05-25T04:14:45 < dongs> seems to work
2014-05-25T04:14:50 < dongs> maybe bricking was just random shit.
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2014-05-25T04:22:28 < englishman> yeah mine works fine
2014-05-25T04:22:31 < englishman> had to change the s/n
2014-05-25T04:23:23 < dongs> mine serial is like 580somethingsomeother
2014-05-25T04:23:25 < dongs> ~7 digitrs
2014-05-25T04:23:38 < englishman> im 999999994 or something
2014-05-25T04:23:41 < dongs> oh
2014-05-25T04:23:44 < dongs> mine is more legit then.
2014-05-25T04:23:45 < englishman> like, went to FFFFFFF in flash erase lol
2014-05-25T04:24:22 < dongs> im using one of those $2 china LM2587 breakouts from ebay
2014-05-25T04:24:32 < dongs> to charge mobile battery thingy
2014-05-25T04:24:41 < dongs> 0.38A@16V on input
2014-05-25T04:24:52 < dongs> 5V out
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2014-05-25T12:13:43 < dongs> http://www.dx.com/p/303742
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2014-05-25T12:50:39 < anick> this is nice: F103 with everything labeled: http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_316848_1.jpg
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2014-05-25T13:09:22 < dongs> 10bux, killer
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2014-05-25T13:20:22 < Laurenceb> anyone here any good with unicode?
2014-05-25T13:20:40 < Laurenceb> im getting a reversed ` when i want a degree symbol
2014-05-25T13:20:57 < Laurenceb> with 0xC2B0
2014-05-25T13:21:48 < dongs> wat
2014-05-25T13:22:04 < dongs> c2b0 is some gook shit
2014-05-25T13:22:17 < Laurenceb> http://utf8-chartable.de/unicode-utf8-table.pl?start=128&number=128&names=-&utf8=0x
2014-05-25T13:22:24 < dongs> thats utf8, not unicode
2014-05-25T13:22:41 < Laurenceb> oh
2014-05-25T13:22:44 < Laurenceb> <- n00b
2014-05-25T13:22:47 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-05-25T13:22:51 < dongs> its just 00b0 in jewnicode
2014-05-25T13:22:53 < Laurenceb> im getting 0xc2b4
2014-05-25T13:23:02 < Laurenceb> weird
2014-05-25T13:23:15 < Laurenceb> maybe if i subtract 4....
2014-05-25T13:23:18 < dongs> degree is c2ba ..
2014-05-25T13:23:32 < Laurenceb> no b0
2014-05-25T13:23:43 < dongs> o yea ba is like degree with _
2014-05-25T13:24:02 < dongs> anyway if you dont know if youre terminal is utf or unicode.. you got other prolems
2014-05-25T13:24:12 < Laurenceb> lolz
2014-05-25T13:25:35 < Laurenceb> well at least im rendering something
2014-05-25T13:26:04 < dongs> lunix fonts rendering
2014-05-25T13:26:08 < dongs> a surprise at every line
2014-05-25T13:26:25 < dongs> http://support.groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=220
2014-05-25T13:27:13 < Laurenceb> oh it knows its UTF-8
2014-05-25T13:27:23 < Laurenceb> i think my font is missing degree symbol
2014-05-25T13:28:42 < Laurenceb> lol yeah
2014-05-25T13:28:52 < Laurenceb> funtimes
2014-05-25T13:30:14 < superbia> Laurenceb: sorry for not returning yesterday... did dongs help u with terminal scripting ?
2014-05-25T13:30:33 < Laurenceb> hehe some chance
2014-05-25T13:30:44 < Laurenceb> no i fixed it - screen was running in the background
2014-05-25T13:32:12 < Laurenceb> no i have to change all the fonts :-/
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2014-05-25T13:44:47 < dongs> ah the wonders of lunix fonts
2014-05-25T13:53:02 < Laurenceb> hmf no luck
2014-05-25T13:53:12 < Laurenceb> its not rendering even with Nimbus Sana
2014-05-25T13:53:15 < Laurenceb> *Sans
2014-05-25T13:57:56 < dongs> that def sounds like a lunix font
2014-05-25T13:57:58 < dongs> a free one at that
2014-05-25T13:58:02 < dongs> you got exactly waht you paid for!
2014-05-25T13:59:14 < Laurenceb> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/b0/fontsupport.htm
2014-05-25T13:59:17 < Laurenceb> should work
2014-05-25T13:59:29 < Laurenceb> theres just a blank space
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2014-05-25T15:41:54 < dongs> damn
2014-05-25T15:42:05 < dongs> i had a client waiting for almost a month for 5 minute fix
2014-05-25T15:42:11 < dongs> i kept delaying shit because I didnt wanna deal with it
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2014-05-25T16:42:50 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5dwdZCKBZM amaze
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2014-05-25T17:42:46 < dongs> you mean amazeful
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2014-05-25T19:31:20 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways oh look another scam
2014-05-25T19:31:42 < effractur> :D
2014-05-25T19:31:52 < effractur> correct
2014-05-25T19:32:00 < zyp> it's rather old by now
2014-05-25T19:32:28 < dongs> sorry just got spammed by it in another channel
2014-05-25T19:32:30 < dongs> so i thought it was new
2014-05-25T19:32:39 < dongs> noticed they actually managed to get 1mil
2014-05-25T19:33:08 < effractur> well
2014-05-25T19:33:15 < effractur> indiegogo
2014-05-25T19:33:19 < effractur> gets also a part
2014-05-25T19:33:30 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mu-thermal-camera-a-great-tool-to-save-on-energy-costs#activity
2014-05-25T19:33:34 < dongs> hey look
2014-05-25T19:33:34 < dongs> these guys are making something
2014-05-25T19:33:44 < dongs> (or trolling more)
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2014-05-25T19:41:34 < gxti> looks like an evaluation board
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2014-05-25T19:46:44 < dongs> with a chinese BT module
2014-05-25T19:46:45 < dongs> amirite?
2014-05-25T19:47:06 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/598441/files/20140522193822-image006-1.png?1400812702 as if its gonna go into that
2014-05-25T19:47:31 < gxti> the image on the phone is fake until proven otherwise
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2014-05-25T20:20:42 < Steffanx> dongs some companies in dutchland are working on the same thing.. those solar panel roads
2014-05-25T20:21:23 < Steffanx> nah without the fancy leds iirc
2014-05-25T20:22:21 < gxti> it's a pretty dumb idea, at least with today's technology
2014-05-25T20:23:33 < gxti> maybe in 30 years solar cells will be so cheap you can just carpet every surface with them, but for now there's plenty of unused roof space that's a lot easier to use
2014-05-25T20:23:53 < Steffanx> yeah
2014-05-25T20:25:42 < Steffanx> But hey, when you can waste peoples tax monies on projects like this, why wouldn't you do it?
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2014-05-26T01:44:37 < upgrdman> just finished another one-layer pcb. this one is ugly enough that i expect to be trolled :) http://farrellf.com/temp/boost_converter_pcb.jpg
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2014-05-26T01:48:05 < GargantuaSauce> the copper connecting the bulk of the ground plane to the paralleled fets seems pretty puny
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2014-05-26T01:49:22 < upgrdman> ya. not my best work.
2014-05-26T01:50:16 < GargantuaSauce> how does it perform?
2014-05-26T01:50:48 < GargantuaSauce> this is the boost topology with an extra LC filter on the output i take it?
2014-05-26T01:50:58 < upgrdman> ya
2014-05-26T01:51:36 < upgrdman> need to rewrite the firmware for this board's layout. but it's an exact copy of my manhattan-style prototype, which worked greated
2014-05-26T01:51:59 < upgrdman> well the components are an exact copy. pin assignments are different
2014-05-26T01:52:27 < GargantuaSauce> yeah saw the video, didnt realize what you had together for that was this much circuitry
2014-05-26T01:54:14 < upgrdman> my youtube vids arent of the latest revision of the prototype
2014-05-26T01:54:26 < GargantuaSauce> ah
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2014-05-26T02:11:33 < dongs> gxti: ya most likely
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2014-05-26T02:38:28 < karlp> upgrdman: what does "manhattan style" prototype mean?
2014-05-26T02:39:38 < upgrdman> karlp: lemme find a link
2014-05-26T02:40:10 < upgrdman> http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/Prototyping.htm scroll down to manhattan style
2014-05-26T02:41:05 < upgrdman> stuff like this   http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/image_cache/httpu1.ipernity.com1647499304749.f0cd1466.560.jpg
2014-05-26T02:41:22 < upgrdman> bits of copper clad board glued onto copper clad board... the islands forming interconnects
2014-05-26T02:53:39 < GargantuaSauce> man i need some nice beefy shears
2014-05-26T02:55:07 < upgrdman> for cutting pcbs?
2014-05-26T02:55:24 < GargantuaSauce> yeah
2014-05-26T02:55:50 < GargantuaSauce> ive just been scoring and snapping it
2014-05-26T02:56:00 < GargantuaSauce> doesnt work well for smaller bits
2014-05-26T02:56:49 < upgrdman> i have a weiss snip ... works nice. but i need to get one with a longer blade.
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2014-05-26T03:51:01 < dongs> gxti: was i upposed to get you a quote on 100 neo6?
2014-05-26T03:51:14 < dongs> or was that like weeks ago and i totally forgot
2014-05-26T03:51:50 < gxti> dongs: yeah, go ahead and check. i was waiting to hear from my assembler in case they had contacts but probably not.
2014-05-26T03:51:57 < dongs> OK
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2014-05-26T03:55:01 < dongs> on it
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2014-05-26T04:24:12 < dongs> gxti: `6.88/ea
2014-05-26T04:28:50 < gxti> dongs: sounds good
2014-05-26T04:30:55 < dongs> plus shipping + shitpal fee, i can get you all paperwork etc. you want it today? or its just for future reference
2014-05-26T04:31:51 < gxti> dongs: i'll decide in 2 days or so. i assume DHL or similar?
2014-05-26T04:31:57 < dongs> could be anything
2014-05-26T04:32:02 < dongs> EMS/DHL/whatever
2014-05-26T04:32:09 < dongs> fedex to your account or thier, whatever.
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2014-05-26T05:17:00 < dongs> wow
2014-05-26T05:17:05 < dongs> i ordered some mikrotik gear
2014-05-26T05:17:11 < dongs> SXT gbE stuff
2014-05-26T05:17:15 < dongs> the PCB quality is top notch
2014-05-26T05:17:21 < dongs> proper silk, ENIG, etc
2014-05-26T05:17:44 < dongs> and thier prices are fucking great. i geuss there ARE places in .eu that do non-shit pcb job
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2014-05-26T05:39:09 < emeb> mikrotik?
2014-05-26T05:41:55 < dongs> cheapish wireless stuff
2014-05-26T05:42:08 < dongs> stuff for WISP etc
2014-05-26T05:42:58 < dongs> http://routerboard.com/RBSXTG-5HPnD-HGr2 got a pair of these to repair a ~500meter link
2014-05-26T05:43:22 < dongs> the old shit that was running it ws some 802.11b crap from senao, it would burn a unit every 6 months, and i finally ran out of replacements
2014-05-26T05:45:56 < emeb> nothing like reliability...
2014-05-26T05:46:42 < dongs> yeah i duno what the  fuck
2014-05-26T05:46:49 < dongs> i started with liek 6 or 7 spare units
2014-05-26T05:46:51 < dongs> last one burned last week
2014-05-26T05:47:18 < emeb> mmmm - AR9344... Atheros.
2014-05-26T05:47:35 < dongs> yea its all lunix shit, waht do you expect
2014-05-26T05:47:42 < dongs> filth
2014-05-26T05:47:49 < dongs> but i only need it as a bridge so shrug
2014-05-26T05:48:45 < emeb> heh
2014-05-26T05:48:57 < emeb> lol - they have a distributor in Nogales AZ.
2014-05-26T05:49:08 < emeb> tiny little border town...
2014-05-26T05:49:35 < emeb> probably selling it to Mexican drug lords for their wireless infrastructure.
2014-05-26T05:50:15 < dongs> haha
2014-05-26T05:51:02 < emeb> some serious shit down there - they kidnap telco installation engineers and force them into slave labor to maintain illicit cell sites.
2014-05-26T05:51:50 < emeb> "give me four bars or I'll cut off your nuts..."
2014-05-26T05:52:37 < dongs> or ill behead you?
2014-05-26T05:52:51 < emeb> something like that
2014-05-26T05:53:16 < emeb> there's some guys who have been missing for years.
2014-05-26T05:53:57 < dongs> http://www.wired.com/2012/11/zeta-radio/ haha
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2014-05-26T05:54:40 < emeb> that's it right there
2014-05-26T05:57:21 < dongs> weed is srs biz
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2014-05-26T06:04:59 < dongs> the other intersting part about that thing is it has non-80211 compatible mode
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2014-05-26T06:14:40 < emeb> very interesting!
2014-05-26T06:15:03 < emeb> what's the advantage? higher throughput?
2014-05-26T06:15:51 < dongs> right
2014-05-26T06:16:03 < dongs> but it seems a few of the wisp-related things have this mode
2014-05-26T06:16:08 < dongs> ie ubquity stuff also
2014-05-26T06:16:24 < dongs> it ignores 802.11 shit and just maximizes the link for bandwidht/low latency
2014-05-26T06:16:59 < GargantuaSauce> how are collisions handled/prevented?
2014-05-26T06:17:40 < emeb> 802.11 framing / tdm stuff is pretty inefficient.
2014-05-26T06:17:47 < GargantuaSauce> it sure is
2014-05-26T06:18:50 < dongs> http://dl.ubnt.com/AirMax_ppt.pdf
2014-05-26T06:18:59 < emeb> IIRC there was supposed to be a "point coordinating function" in 802.11 that would establish a slotted access system but I don't think it ever worked.
2014-05-26T06:19:10 < GargantuaSauce> yeah ok so it's just straight tmda
2014-05-26T06:19:12 < GargantuaSauce> makes sense
2014-05-26T06:19:41 < dongs> that ppt is deverely lacking of info
2014-05-26T06:20:20 < dongs> er, severely
2014-05-26T06:20:34 < dongs> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Nv2
2014-05-26T06:20:47 < dongs> thats the mirktik version
2014-05-26T06:22:21 < GargantuaSauce> seems a lot more sensible for most applications than csmaca or whatever they call it for 802.11
2014-05-26T06:33:22 < dongs> anything will be an improvement over this 11b senao crap i had up to now.
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2014-05-26T07:00:08 < PaulFertser> For a single P2P link TDMA is unlikely to perform better than plain 802.11n. It helps with a hidden node problem but there's no hidden node here.
2014-05-26T07:16:24 < dongs> dont shatter my dreams of amaze internets
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2014-05-26T07:29:54 < PaulFertser> dongs: I was real-life testing a p2p link with ubnt "airgrid" 5GHz gear (stock proprietary firmware) and it performed better with tdma disabled, so it's not just theory.
2014-05-26T07:30:30 < dongs> i was gonna get unbt shit
2014-05-26T07:30:35 < dongs> but then I looked closer
2014-05-26T07:30:43 < dongs> and they were promising 150mbit oever 100m ethernet
2014-05-26T07:30:51 < dongs> and at that point my bullshit detector went off
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2014-05-26T07:33:11 < PaulFertser> 150mbit/s is a maximum ideal channel rate for a single 802.11n link, I do not think they promised it over the wired link. And it's basically what all wifi vendors do: advertising maximum channel rate.
2014-05-26T07:34:22 < gxti> wires are good
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2014-05-26T08:32:33 < zippe> I hate templates
2014-05-26T08:33:15 < zippe> timer.h:73:35: error: expression '*1073790980u' has side-effects
2014-05-26T08:33:49 < zippe> timer.h:73:96: error: '*1073790980u' is not a constant expression
2014-05-26T08:33:49 < zippe> timer.h:73:96: note: in template argument for type 'long unsigned int'
2014-05-26T08:34:20 < jpa-> why are you dereferencing an integer?
2014-05-26T08:34:54 < zippe> what I was trying to do was template<volatile uint32_t &> ...
2014-05-26T08:35:56 < zippe> i.e. template a class and then specialise it with explicit peripheral register addresses
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2014-05-26T08:37:21 < jpa-> hmm.. volatile references..
2014-05-26T08:37:45 < zippe> reference to volatile was what I was after
2014-05-26T08:38:04 < zippe> Since I'm not sure you could have a volatile reference...
2014-05-26T08:38:13 < jpa-> i wonder what    volatile uint32_t *foo; volatile uint32_t &bar = *foo;   actually does
2014-05-26T08:38:35 < zippe> bar and foo are the same thing
2014-05-26T08:38:47 < zippe> well, nearly
2014-05-26T08:38:59 < zippe> bar is effectively volatile uint32_t * const bar;
2014-05-26T08:39:16 < zippe> with some syntactic sugar re: . vs ->
2014-05-26T08:40:42 < jpa-> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/C_002b_002b-Volatiles.html   seems somewhat complex
2014-05-26T08:40:47 < jpa-> i would just use volatile pointers
2014-05-26T08:42:12 < zyp> references probably can't be volatile, just like they can't be non-const
2014-05-26T08:42:15 < zippe> Yes, mostly I just have a big header full of #define REG = (*(volatile uint32_t *)(0xabcdef00)) that I wanted to re-use
2014-05-26T08:42:37 < zippe> Anyway, I gave up and used a static member function and a switch statement
2014-05-26T08:42:40 < zippe> Bigger fish to fre
2014-05-26T08:42:44 < zippe> s/fre/fry/
2014-05-26T08:43:24 < jpa-> somehow it seems to me that gcc is just thinking that *volatile_reg always has side-effects
2014-05-26T08:43:52 < jpa-> i wonder if your template would work fine with a pointer type instead of reference
2014-05-26T08:44:11 < zyp> well, that's kinda the point of volatile
2014-05-26T08:44:38 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, but   volatile uint32_t &foo = *(volatile uint32_t*)(1234);  shouldn't have side effects
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2014-05-26T08:45:06 < zyp> ah, that's true
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2014-05-26T08:45:45 < jpa-> which gets somewhat confusing once you pass that *(volatile uint32_t*)(1234); though a few function calls and templates
2014-05-26T08:53:05 < zippe> Yeah
2014-05-26T08:53:31 < zippe> I'm sure that in there somewhere there's a valid technique for using templates to make different hardware look similar with assorted specialisations
2014-05-26T08:53:44 < zippe> but it was too much work when I'm just trying to wire up a couple of timers
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2014-05-26T08:54:50 < jpa-> usually having the register addresses separately generates somewhat inefficient code anyway; better to just pass the base address
2014-05-26T08:55:11 < jpa-> that way the address only has to be loaded into regs once and the indexing instructions can be used for the individual registers
2014-05-26T08:56:27 < gxti> if that's true shouldn't the compiler do it automatically anyway?
2014-05-26T08:57:02 < jpa-> if it is smart enough..
2014-05-26T08:57:34 < gxti> seems like low-hanging fruit
2014-05-26T08:57:58 < gxti> but i guess only if it's totally known at compile time
2014-05-26T08:59:55 < jpa-> looks like GCC is smart enough, for simple cases atleast
2014-05-26T09:15:24 < zippe> jpa-: agreed, but I am not about to re-type this whole damn header
2014-05-26T09:15:25 < zippe> 8)
2014-05-26T09:17:37 < dongs> gcc failing, what a shock
2014-05-26T09:24:09 < jpa-> actually couldn't get it to fail in this case :)
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2014-05-26T09:51:20 < upgrdman> are there any limits to what in ISR can do? if so, where's that listed?
2014-05-26T09:51:53 < emeb_mac> cure hunger?
2014-05-26T09:52:03 < emeb_mac> bring world peace?
2014-05-26T09:53:25 < upgrdman> no, i mean, iirc there were some things you can't or realllllly shouldn't do in an isr.
2014-05-26T09:53:33 < upgrdman> maybe i'm thinking of something else.
2014-05-26T09:54:35 < jpa-> depends on application design, mostly
2014-05-26T09:54:51 < jpa-> it is entirely reasonable to write an application where everything happens in interrupts
2014-05-26T09:55:27 < jpa-> whereas on some RTOS, you cannot do e.g. memory allocation or float operations in interrupts
2014-05-26T09:55:53 < emeb_mac> ya - bare metal doesn't limit you much
2014-05-26T09:56:24 < upgrdman> ok
2014-05-26T09:56:44 < upgrdman> damn. will have to debug then. my adc isr seems to be hanging.
2014-05-26T09:57:22 < upgrdman> if i comment out lines that write to volatile global uint32's, the isr doesn't hang but isn't very helpful either
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2014-05-26T10:01:33 < jpa-> upgrdman: how often should your interrupt be happening?
2014-05-26T10:04:14 < upgrdman> i'd have to look it up, but i think the adc is config'd for max rate. that's what, 1MHz?
2014-05-26T10:04:35 < upgrdman> (f051)
2014-05-26T10:05:03 < upgrdman> hmm
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2014-05-26T10:07:15 < rewolff> Does anybody know how to reset the SPI TX buffer (at the moment on an STM32F030)? Once I'm too late to put the data in the FIFO ONCE, the data clocked out stays shifted by a byte. I need the next transfer to be correct.
2014-05-26T10:07:41 < rewolff> I already toggle the enable/disable bit on "slave deselect", so that doesn't clear the fifo.
2014-05-26T10:08:08 < rewolff> I'd think that resetting the whole module through the rcc will work. But then I have to reinitialize the whole module.
2014-05-26T10:13:28 < upgrdman> jpa-: thanks. that was it. didn't even think about how little time i had to get shit done with the adc interrupting that quick :)
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2014-05-26T10:25:51 < dongs> upgrdman: why the fuck arent you using DMA???
2014-05-26T10:26:33 < upgrdman> learning about dma is on my to-do list :)
2014-05-26T10:31:58 < dongs> ...
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2014-05-26T10:34:02 < jpa-> upgrdman: why weren't you born with this knowledge !?!
2014-05-26T10:41:17 < upgrdman> jpa-: im merely a hobbyist. and a lazy one.
2014-05-26T10:41:44 < upgrdman> hence my fugly 1L pcbs
2014-05-26T10:41:58 < Thorn> int f = foo(); void main() { ...; } int f() { return ...; }  <-- where in the executable is the call to foo() located?
2014-05-26T10:42:54 < Thorn> and should I do anything special in the startup code to have it called?
2014-05-26T10:45:45 < jpa-> Thorn: C or C++?
2014-05-26T10:46:06 < Thorn> both, if there's a difference
2014-05-26T10:46:13 < jpa-> in C, it won't compile
2014-05-26T10:47:02 < jpa-> in C++, it will be generated as a static initializer, which the C++ runtime should call somehow (it generates a list of function pointers somewhere); if you are rolling your own c++ runtime environment, you need to iterate through the initializer table and call each
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2014-05-26T10:47:42 < Thorn> oh so it will be added to the list of static vonstructors to call. makes sense
2014-05-26T10:48:02 < Thorn> *constructors
2014-05-26T10:48:09 < jpa-> yeah, i'd expect that to happen
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2014-05-26T11:14:30 < Thorn> ok where is the call or pointer to foo http://paste.ofcode.org/CdWB4iBkzfcgJ2cDku9syP
2014-05-26T11:19:04 < Thorn> wtf http://paste.ofcode.org/35p7drZwjghehVNn9C8KUTH
2014-05-26T11:19:37 < jpa-> i get different assembler for that than you do
2014-05-26T11:20:21 < jpa-> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/other/test8.s  there in LFB5 there is the call to foo()
2014-05-26T11:20:21 < Thorn> arm-gcc 4.8 2014q1 with -O2
2014-05-26T11:20:33 < jpa-> oops that was x86
2014-05-26T11:21:12 < Thorn> oh and I compiled with -c
2014-05-26T11:22:16 < rewolff> I just dit it on x86 and I get a function _Z41__static_initialization_and_destruction_0ii: that calls "foo" and stores to "f".
2014-05-26T11:22:35 < jpa-> without -O2 the call is there
2014-05-26T11:24:12 < jpa-> with -O2, it just botches the main function totally
2014-05-26T11:24:13 < Thorn> right, I also see calls to _Z3foov and _ZN3BarC1Ei without -O2
2014-05-26T11:25:23 < Thorn> called from _GLOBAL__sub_I_f the pointer to which seems to be in the .init_array
2014-05-26T11:25:42 < jpa-> ah
2014-05-26T11:25:45 < jpa-> f+f never returns
2014-05-26T11:25:52 < jpa-> explains the thing about main
2014-05-26T11:25:59 < Thorn> I fixed that in the 2nd version
2014-05-26T11:26:08 < Thorn> .word _GLOBAL__sub_I_f(target1) <-- what is target1
2014-05-26T11:27:02 < Thorn> (and it still didn't call foo() with -O2 even with return f+f; in main())
2014-05-26T11:28:06 < rewolff> I'm not C++ expert. So I did  printf ("f+f=%d\n", f+f); in main.
2014-05-26T11:28:19 < rewolff> On x86 even with -O2 it gives the correct result.
2014-05-26T11:28:31 < rewolff> So something seems to be working here...
2014-05-26T11:29:30 < rewolff> Foo, is a "static" function in that it always returns the same result. The compiler might call it "compile time".
2014-05-26T11:29:47 < rewolff> But then the "90" should be in the assembly file somewhere.
2014-05-26T11:29:49 < Thorn> clang does
2014-05-26T11:30:06 < Thorn> and there is the 90 in its (very simple) output
2014-05-26T11:31:35 < jpa-> LFB6 is a specialized foo()
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2014-05-26T11:32:09 < jpa-> _GLOBAL__sub_I_f   initializes f
2014-05-26T11:32:57 < Thorn> looks like it initializes both f and bar
2014-05-26T11:33:07 < jpa-> so basically it generates   void _GLOBAL__sub_I_f() { f = foo(); }  and foo() gets inlined into that
2014-05-26T11:36:49 < rewolff>         .section        .init_array,"aw",%init_array
2014-05-26T11:36:50 < rewolff>         .align  2
2014-05-26T11:36:50 < rewolff>         .word   _GLOBAL__sub_I_bar(target1)
2014-05-26T11:36:50 < rewolff>         .global f
2014-05-26T11:38:02 < rewolff> Yes, it seems like that.
2014-05-26T11:38:25 < rewolff> Although I dont' see the GLOBAL__sub_I_f in my assembly output for arm.
2014-05-26T11:40:04 < Thorn> what about Bar::Bar(int)
2014-05-26T11:41:07 < Thorn> seems to be called from *static_initialization_and_destruction*
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2014-05-26T12:29:39 < timemob> sup pros
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2014-05-26T12:30:07 < timemob> baird, sup
2014-05-26T12:30:36 < baird_> yo. I has returned to the world of the digital living... after like 13 months. :/
2014-05-26T12:31:19 < baird_> The new place is rather awesome, actually-- and for the same rent I was paying before..
2014-05-26T12:31:41 < baird_> It took a month to get Internetz, though.
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2014-05-26T12:34:44 < baird_> I figure I've got about 3Tb to download before I've caught up from the losses during my time away...
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2014-05-26T14:01:38 < Steffanx> I see you baird failt to sell his word "The" .. "Bidding has ended on this item." with 0 bids.
2014-05-26T14:01:42 < Steffanx> *failed
2014-05-26T14:18:51 < dongs> zero bids weat
2014-05-26T14:18:58 < dongs> it was like >40 last i looked
2014-05-26T14:19:01 < dongs> did they cancel the auction?
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2014-05-26T14:30:27 < Steffanx> i guess so
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2014-05-26T18:43:28 < rewolff1> HMMM... My STM32F030F device seems to have I2S1 implemented. The documented reset value for SPI_I2S_PR comes back at that address.... (40013020)
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2014-05-26T18:59:51 < Laurenceb> sectret features?
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2014-05-26T19:01:26 < Steffanx> or just like this F1 that had more flash that it was supposed to have.
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2014-05-26T19:11:36 < madisk> did you test the flash for defects ?
2014-05-26T19:12:33 < gxti> odds are it will be fine, but the failure rate will be quite high if you rely on stuff that isn't supposed to be there
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2014-05-26T19:13:31 < gxti> i'm a bit surprised about the flash though, if they were smart they'd have a fuse they can set to use the upper or lower part depending on which failed
2014-05-26T19:20:17 < Laurenceb> maybe they do
2014-05-26T19:20:34 < Laurenceb> and it remaps in the "backgound"
2014-05-26T19:20:50 < gxti> i guess the lazy way to implement it would be to just flip one address line
2014-05-26T19:21:00 < gxti> in which case the bad stuff would still be mapped
2014-05-26T19:25:00 < madisk> the STM32s sort of do that anyway don't they ? you can read the same RAM locations from multiple addresses
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2014-05-26T20:13:51 < rewolff1> madisk: My experience is that they decode way more address lines than necessary.
2014-05-26T20:14:24 < rewolff1> i.e. in an SPI module that has only 0x20 addresses, you need only decode 3 address lines (A0 and A1 are the byte select lines, or something like that)
2014-05-26T20:14:44 < rewolff1> But you reliably get "0000000" if you read beyond the last address of the module.
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2014-05-26T20:16:29 < Mobyfab> Hi
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2014-05-26T20:18:11 < rewolff1> On my STM32F030F with 16k flash I can access 64k of flash-address-space
2014-05-26T20:18:41 < rewolff1> above that I get 08010000:  Cannot access memory at address 0x8010000
2014-05-26T20:19:29 < rewolff1> But there is no wrapping: I get "0xfffffff" on all four other addresses that would be a ghost of 0x08000000
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2014-05-26T20:26:42 < zippe> rewolff: there's a block reset bit next to the clock enable
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2014-05-26T20:31:15 < rewolff1> OK.... The "flash size" register says I have 0x20 kbytes of flash.
2014-05-26T20:31:25 < rewolff1> The case says I have an F6....
2014-05-26T20:31:41 < rewolff1> which would be expected to have 32k of flash.
2014-05-26T20:32:08 < rewolff1> but is not documented in DM00085500....
2014-05-26T20:32:14 < rewolff1> Sigh.
2014-05-26T20:35:26 < rewolff1> Ah. Correction. I'm working on an 050F6. All is well.
2014-05-26T20:36:10 < rewolff1> That would've been frustrating to NOT get things working because I was looking in the '030 datasheet while I have an '050.
2014-05-26T20:36:38 < rewolff1> but luckily I got things working. :)
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2014-05-26T21:05:08 < gxti> i think "cannot access memory" is usually because the xml file your stub gave gdb says not to read there
2014-05-26T21:05:19 < gxti> try again with "set mem inaccessible-by-default off"
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2014-05-26T21:43:19 < zippe> Getting some oddness with current laks and interrupts...
2014-05-26T21:43:46 < zippe> It looks like the interrupt templates overlap
2014-05-26T21:43:59 < zippe> because the Exception and IRQ enums overlap...
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2014-05-26T21:53:18 < zippe> interrupt.cpp:28:17: error: 'void interrupt() [with Interrupt::IRQ <anonymous> = (Interrupt::IRQ)1u]' defined both normally and as 'alias' attribute
2014-05-26T21:53:37 < zippe> Or rather, with my attempt to hack laks into my project
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2014-05-26T21:57:30 < Steffanx> what kind of fancy compiler gives errors like that zippe ?
2014-05-26T21:58:38 < Steffanx> Or what kind of code you've written you get that error?
2014-05-26T21:59:10 < Steffanx> laks works like a charm here, so far :)
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2014-05-26T22:05:34 < zippe> That's just gcc
2014-05-26T22:06:06 < zippe> I don't quite understand why it's pissed at me
2014-05-26T22:06:49 < zippe> Just going to go back to the vanilla way for now
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2014-05-26T22:26:02 < zippe> Steffan: nothing really special, I was just trying to make it work on the lpc1114
2014-05-26T22:26:09 < zippe> Had mostly copied it wholesale
2014-05-26T22:26:17 < zippe> The examples work just fine
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2014-05-26T22:26:39 < zippe> Something was just pissing it off
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2014-05-26T22:26:54 < zippe> have enough other crap on my plate right now … will have to come back to it
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2014-05-26T22:44:18 < zippe> Ok, mbed eliminated, 10K recovered
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2014-05-27T05:06:49 < dongs> dicknplacing some fpga trash today
2014-05-27T05:25:25 < zippe> Working on becoming the LIN overlord
2014-05-27T05:26:40 < zippe> If I can fix the firmware on the Microchip demo LED modules to do 19200, that will be a good achievement for the day
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2014-05-27T05:41:06 < zippe> Hum. Looks like pure software LIN, so maybe no tuning fixing required
2014-05-27T05:41:25 < emeb> microchip all the things
2014-05-27T05:41:33 < zippe> Not if I can help it
2014-05-27T05:41:35  * emeb futzes with MPLABX on Linux
2014-05-27T05:41:45 < zippe> But these are small & cheap
2014-05-27T05:41:56 < gxti> nothin wrong with that
2014-05-27T05:41:57 < zippe> & basically nobody seems to sell pre-made LIN anything
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2014-05-27T05:42:44 < zippe> I don't understand ST
2014-05-27T05:42:56 < zippe> They have a 4-channel automotive high-side FET switch
2014-05-27T05:43:08 < zippe> 27mOhm Rdson
2014-05-27T05:43:58 < zippe> With a 30-ish amp current limit
2014-05-27T05:44:35 < zippe> In a powersso24 package
2014-05-27T05:44:57 < zippe> So … 30 amps x 4 channels x 0.027 = ~100W
2014-05-27T05:45:14 < gxti> current ratings are always bullshit
2014-05-27T05:45:27 < zippe> That's not the rating, that's the active current limiter
2014-05-27T05:45:47 < zippe> contrast Freescale who have a 5-channel part with 17mOhm Rdson that limits at 7A
2014-05-27T05:45:59 < zippe> That's actually sensible
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2014-05-27T08:49:53 < dongs> https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692
2014-05-27T08:54:12 < madist> the word "Leader" is not insensitive to North Korean feelings ?
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2014-05-27T09:02:41 < dongs> i will now rename all my github repositories main branches to "white" and all other branches to black
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2014-05-27T09:21:14 < dongs> http://petesqbsite.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3826 attn Flea86
2014-05-27T09:22:09 < emeb_mac> he's not kidding - bad idea
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2014-05-27T11:27:06 < gnomad> dongs: http://www.ioccc.org/2013/cable3/hint.html
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2014-05-27T11:53:10 < rewolff> Zippe: (late, I know), Current limits for mosfet like devices are "extremes". In this case with ideal cooling you'll be able to do 30A on one channel. So they rate it at 30A. The device might be useful in a  20+1+1+1 situation where the power dissipation is only 10W.
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2014-05-27T12:05:16 < dongs> gnomad: wow.,
2014-05-27T12:07:08 < dongs> much impress
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2014-05-27T12:48:48 < dongs> zyp, your connectors are here
2014-05-27T12:48:54 < dongs> and pcbs  too apparently + stencil
2014-05-27T12:49:00 < dongs> i should probably hurry up and order  teh other crap.
2014-05-27T12:49:21 < zyp> nice
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2014-05-27T12:49:35 < dongs> shit, its 7pm. not today.
2014-05-27T12:49:43 < dongs> ill get china to do the PCA shit + wahtever tomrow
2014-05-27T12:49:53 < zyp> ok, good
2014-05-27T12:50:13 < dongs> i was gonna ask if you wanted to panel anything else on stencil
2014-05-27T12:50:15 < dongs> but forgot.
2014-05-27T12:50:24 < dongs> to late now tho
2014-05-27T12:50:38 < zyp> doesn't matter, I don't have anything else
2014-05-27T12:50:48 < zyp> since you already did stencil for 4L board
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2014-05-27T12:59:32 < dongs> arent you innovating new shit daily
2014-05-27T13:00:05 < zyp> no, I'm being lazy
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2014-05-27T13:00:18 < zyp> I have a bunch of boards that I want to do, but I haven't designed them yet
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2014-05-27T13:04:52 < dongs> haha
2014-05-27T13:04:53 < dongs> same problem
2014-05-27T13:05:02 < dongs> im missing free spaces in panels like daily
2014-05-27T13:05:04 < dongs> cuz i have no fucking time
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2014-05-27T13:09:11 < Steffanx> poor wifecop
2014-05-27T13:10:00 < dongs> http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/only_in_usa8.jpg
2014-05-27T13:10:02 < dongs> wow.
2014-05-27T13:10:08 < dongs> Steffanx: i have time for fucking, sometime.
2014-05-27T13:10:19 < Steffanx> :P
2014-05-27T13:10:36 < dongs> not sure if its a prius ev-only conversion or wat
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2014-05-27T13:15:44 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/YbLbd
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2014-05-27T13:38:06 < baird> Found this in the archives the other day... http://imgur.com/2xUjmYh
2014-05-27T13:39:21 < baird> That's like 10 bloody years ago..
2014-05-27T13:39:53 < jpa-> have the 10 past years been bloody?
2014-05-27T13:40:05 < karlp> only sundays.
2014-05-27T13:40:08 < karlp> bloody sundays
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2014-05-27T14:02:06 < dongs> baird: haha
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2014-05-27T15:42:10 < dongs> http://buttcoin.org/computer-viruses-bitcoin aahahaha.
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2014-05-27T15:59:12 < karlp> dongs: http://vimeo.com/95494620
2014-05-27T15:59:35 < dongs> 3d printed of course?
2014-05-27T16:00:58 < superbia> creator is asian... no wonders there
2014-05-27T16:01:44 < superbia> but they didnt make asian penises... awkward
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2014-05-27T16:05:59 < Steffanx> Where are the 81 arduinos?
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2014-05-27T16:06:59 < superbia> its multiplexed !
2014-05-27T16:07:20 < superbia> so the cost is only 50 eur for 1 arduino..
2014-05-27T16:07:53 < Steffanx> it is? I see the arduino servo lib can handle 23 servos
2014-05-27T16:08:22 < BrainDamage> there's a binary tree of arduinos
2014-05-27T16:08:41 < superbia> u got the time to skim the libs// u need to get laid bigtime
2014-05-27T16:09:39 < Steffanx> it's called google-fu
2014-05-27T16:09:56 < Steffanx> actually its 48 servos
2014-05-27T16:10:19 < superbia> hahh :) i need to take a picture of my 200 eur dev board
2014-05-27T16:10:35 < Steffanx> use it for frisc?
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2014-05-27T16:10:37 < superbia> to make u fall out of chair
2014-05-27T16:10:44 < superbia> Steffanx: frisc/arm7
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2014-05-27T16:10:54 < Steffanx> lol
2014-05-27T16:11:07 < Steffanx> Your uni is trolling you
2014-05-27T16:11:15 < superbia> bigtime
2014-05-27T16:11:29 < superbia> and now the jews came to see the FRISC and interview the students
2014-05-27T16:11:36 < superbia> because they want to buy it
2014-05-27T16:11:45 < zyp> fail-risc?
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2014-05-27T16:12:04 < Steffanx> i don't remember what it meant, ranewen told me once
2014-05-27T16:12:06 < superbia> we even got our own simulator
2014-05-27T16:12:18 < superbia> called ATLAS
2014-05-27T16:13:03 < zyp> ah, forth?
2014-05-27T16:13:43 < dongs> my college shit was mips emulator running on some dec mainframe
2014-05-27T16:13:52 < dongs> for cs101 or wahtever the fuck
2014-05-27T16:14:00 < dongs> fucking useless garbage
2014-05-27T16:14:38 < dongs> k going to update altium and give another try to this fucking repeat() thing
2014-05-27T16:14:49 < Steffanx> college.. you? :P
2014-05-27T16:15:07 < zyp> troll academy
2014-05-27T16:15:38 < Steffanx> We all know dongs so well :)
2014-05-27T16:17:25 < BrainDamage> my univ had an optional lab session with pic16 asm
2014-05-27T16:17:31 < BrainDamage> I nope'd out
2014-05-27T16:17:54 < BrainDamage> sorry, should've said nop'ed
2014-05-27T16:18:21 < gxti> on one hand, pic asm isn't that bad. on the other hand, segmented memory can bite me.
2014-05-27T16:18:27 < zyp> I aced avr asm in uni
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2014-05-27T16:51:26 < akaWolf> wi1
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2014-05-27T16:52:28 < Steffanx> fa2, akaWolf
2014-05-27T16:56:58 < dongs> wat
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2014-05-27T17:10:39 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1_vVjYwJKQ retweet
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2014-05-27T17:14:52 < karlp> heh
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2014-05-27T17:19:03 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27503660
2014-05-27T17:19:08 < Laurenceb__> meanwhile in england
2014-05-27T17:20:03 < madist> atleast it wasn't orally administered
2014-05-27T17:21:18 < madist> the guy in australia who started this was doing it orally
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2014-05-27T17:23:32 < madist> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/health/a-new-kind-of-transplant-bank.html
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2014-05-27T18:13:52 < gnomad> if people didn't take so many antibiotics and were more exposed to bacteria as children this wouldn't be necessary...
2014-05-27T18:18:11 < Laurenceb__> anyone here know of a feasible high fps embedded linux camera setup?
2014-05-27T18:18:17 < Laurenceb__> better than rpi
2014-05-27T18:19:51 < superbia> samsung cameras
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2014-05-27T18:20:16 < Steffanx> define high fps Laurenceb__
2014-05-27T18:20:32 < superbia> speed of fap
2014-05-27T18:20:43 < superbia> to capture the movements of the wrist
2014-05-27T18:21:10 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-05-27T18:21:14 < Laurenceb__>  >100fps
2014-05-27T18:21:19 < karlp> Laurenceb__: any cheap recent android phone?
2014-05-27T18:21:25 < Steffanx> oh 100fps..
2014-05-27T18:21:28 < karlp> oh you want 100fsp
2014-05-27T18:21:41 < Steffanx> resolution?
2014-05-27T18:21:41 < karlp> thought you mean as in, "more than 5"
2014-05-27T18:21:53 < Laurenceb__> heh
2014-05-27T18:22:06 < superbia> judging by the amount of time he spends on IRC, i think hes telling the truth about >100
2014-05-27T18:22:45 < Laurenceb__> faps per second?
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2014-05-27T18:24:47 < Steffanx> Just get a random camera + some embedded lunix system Laurenceb__ :)
2014-05-27T18:25:08 < Steffanx> http://en.ids-imaging.com/store/produkte/kameras/ui-3360.html 152fps, who needs more? :P
2014-05-27T18:25:10 < Laurenceb__> crappy and slow
2014-05-27T18:25:15 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-05-27T18:25:25 < Steffanx> and probably pretty expensive
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2014-05-27T18:25:42 < Laurenceb__> needs usb3
2014-05-27T18:25:45 < Steffanx> yeah
2014-05-27T18:25:52 < Laurenceb__> i want to connect to beaglebone
2014-05-27T18:26:05 < Laurenceb__> or similar
2014-05-27T18:26:18 < Laurenceb__> some of the gumstix cameras look quite good
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2014-05-27T18:32:22 < karlp> if 2megapixels, 150fps is "crappy and slow" how about you elaborate on what you really meant when you said, "fast webcam"
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2014-05-27T18:51:37 < Laurenceb__> nvm
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2014-05-27T18:59:46 < Nutter> uhh... do the math on the bandwidth needed for 100+ FPS at any decent resolution. You're into some serious high-speed signals there, and a wide bus
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2014-05-27T19:00:17 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2014-05-27T19:00:21 < Laurenceb__> usb wont work
2014-05-27T19:00:30 < Laurenceb__> i was thinking of a gpro
2014-05-27T19:00:34 < Laurenceb__> *gopro
2014-05-27T19:00:39 < Laurenceb__> but its expensive
2014-05-27T19:01:17 < SlaveToTheSauce> mobius?
2014-05-27T19:01:34 < Laurenceb__> slow
2014-05-27T19:01:52 < SlaveToTheSauce> oh you want high fps
2014-05-27T19:02:00 < SlaveToTheSauce> only option i can think of that isn't $$$ is the ps3eye
2014-05-27T19:02:08 < SlaveToTheSauce> and it's kind of not awesome
2014-05-27T19:02:14 < Laurenceb__> https://store.gumstix.com/index.php/products/254/
2014-05-27T19:02:17 < Laurenceb__> theres that
2014-05-27T19:02:22 < Laurenceb__> ps3eye is usb
2014-05-27T19:02:29 < Steffanx> time for a bare chip Laurenceb__ own lens, own pcb :D
2014-05-27T19:02:39 < Steffanx> and gpio
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2014-05-27T19:05:59 < Laurenceb__> too much work
2014-05-27T19:06:06 < Laurenceb__> GoPro is easy but expensive
2014-05-27T19:06:19 < Laurenceb__> and gumstix im not sure if it castually works
2014-05-27T19:06:24 < Laurenceb__> *actually
2014-05-27T19:06:51 < Laurenceb__> i dont need real time, so gopro is fine
2014-05-27T19:06:52 < karlp> what, gopro isn't high enough frame rate from your claims? isn't it?
2014-05-27T19:06:59 < karlp> what's wrong with USB anyway?
2014-05-27T19:07:04 < Laurenceb__> too slow
2014-05-27T19:07:24 < Steffanx> what's the plan Laurenceb__ ?
2014-05-27T19:07:25 < karlp> make up your mind man.
2014-05-27T19:07:30 < Laurenceb__> gopro i can store mjpeg to µSD then grab it over usb later
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2014-05-27T19:07:44 < Steffanx> like usd aint too slow?
2014-05-27T19:07:50 < karlp> you enever mentioned you didn't want to actually use this for video
2014-05-27T19:07:56 < Laurenceb__> heh
2014-05-27T19:08:06 < karlp> if you want to dump to flash, you can get any second hand canon slr for cheap too
2014-05-27T19:08:08 < Laurenceb__> no its for frame grabbing, but not in real time
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2014-05-27T19:10:43 < Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DgYafqOLHg0
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2014-05-27T19:16:56 < Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTun-dqFmoM
2014-05-27T19:16:59 < Laurenceb__> impressive
2014-05-27T19:17:16 < Laurenceb__> oh its fake
2014-05-27T19:17:17 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-05-27T19:19:17 < Steffanx> surprise ...
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2014-05-27T21:14:01 < madist> youtube.com/afrotechmods = dongs ?
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2014-05-27T21:30:51 < baird> I seem to remember that were was someone who posted EFG-based electronics informationals to 4chan as Afrotechmods?
2014-05-27T21:35:26 < Steffanx> 4chan has never been a part of my life, so can't help you remembering :)
2014-05-27T21:36:52 < Steffanx> -ing
2014-05-27T21:38:47 < baird> 4chan extends life. 4chan expands consciousness. 4chan is vital to space travel.
2014-05-27T21:42:06 < SlaveToTheSauce_> travel...without moving
2014-05-27T21:42:10 < SlaveToTheSauce_> (from the basement)
2014-05-27T21:49:12 < baird> It is by the juice of Sappho that the wrist acquires speed, the pants acquire stains, the stains become a warning.
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2014-05-27T21:56:04 < dekar> dongs, is that flashy car even road legal? you surely couldn't drive that on the German autobahn.
2014-05-27T21:57:06 < emeb> baird: what are setting in motion by your will alone?
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2014-05-27T23:17:30 < Evidlo> I'm trying to figure out if I flowed this chip correctly.  Is it normal for resistance between VCC and GND to be around 700 ohms?
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2014-05-27T23:23:39 < bvernoux> Evidlo: for which MCU ?
2014-05-27T23:24:14 < Evidlo> STM32F407
2014-05-27T23:24:45 < Evidlo> That's the 144 pin
2014-05-27T23:25:41 < Evidlo> bvernoux
2014-05-27T23:25:53 < bvernoux> ok
2014-05-27T23:26:06 < bvernoux> so it is same as STM32F405
2014-05-27T23:26:50 < bvernoux> I have 1.1Kohm between GND and 3.3V
2014-05-27T23:27:02 < Evidlo> So about the same?
2014-05-27T23:27:11 < bvernoux> anyway it mainly depends on the LDO
2014-05-27T23:27:19 < Evidlo> I did 2 boards and they're both the same
2014-05-27T23:27:59 < Evidlo> I can't flash either right now, Windows or Linux
2014-05-27T23:28:00 < bvernoux> try to power on
2014-05-27T23:28:34 < Evidlo> I powered it through JTAG
2014-05-27T23:28:53 < bvernoux> it is often better to have an other power source
2014-05-27T23:29:21 < bvernoux> anyway such MCU are ultra low power
2014-05-27T23:29:29 < bvernoux> max 100mA over 3.3V
2014-05-27T23:29:59 < Evidlo> I should mention that I have an external regulator, but when I powered the board with the JTAG plugged in, the regulator popped
2014-05-27T23:30:42 < bvernoux> I never power MCU with JTAG in fact
2014-05-27T23:30:59 < SlaveToTheSauce_> nothing like a good ol' regulator tug-of-war
2014-05-27T23:31:06 < bvernoux> and for STM32F4 I use SWD
2014-05-27T23:31:17 < Evidlo> bvernoux: So I should cut the JTAG power?
2014-05-27T23:31:48 < bvernoux> are you sure you have connected it correctly ?
2014-05-27T23:33:15 < bvernoux> I use only SWD in fact on STM32F4
2014-05-27T23:33:25 < bvernoux> easier and smaller than JTAG
2014-05-27T23:33:51 < Evidlo> Well, the boards have already been spun
2014-05-27T23:34:56 < Evidlo> I'm getting 0v across 3v3 and GND when the JTAG is plugged in, but I know they're not shorted.
2014-05-27T23:35:23 < bvernoux> there is a short somewhere
2014-05-27T23:35:31 < bvernoux> or the MCU is dead
2014-05-27T23:35:38 < bvernoux> I have killed some STM32F4
2014-05-27T23:35:47 < bvernoux> and they are ultra hot when they are dead
2014-05-27T23:36:05 < bvernoux> ultra = > 80°C
2014-05-27T23:36:10 < bvernoux> you can burn your finger
2014-05-27T23:36:58 < SlaveToTheSauce_> the one i toasted got hot enough to melt the epoxy and make a nice shiny spot
2014-05-27T23:38:20 < bvernoux> hehe
2014-05-27T23:38:37 < bvernoux> anyway GPIO are very strong ;)
2014-05-27T23:38:48 < bvernoux> even with bus contention they are not always killed
2014-05-27T23:39:06 < Evidlo> This one has always been cool
2014-05-27T23:39:17 < bvernoux> maybe the LDO is dead
2014-05-27T23:39:21 < Evidlo> What's the typical resistance of a pin bridge?
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2014-05-27T23:39:36 < SlaveToTheSauce_> are you sure you didn't break the jtag adapter's regulator?
2014-05-27T23:39:49 < bvernoux> yes could be the jtag side which is broken
2014-05-27T23:41:26 < Evidlo> VDD is 3v3, TVCC looks to be 0.
2014-05-27T23:41:34 < Evidlo> This is with the programmer unplugged
2014-05-27T23:42:32 < Evidlo> Is that normal?
2014-05-27T23:42:36 < bvernoux> try to check by adding a 1K resistor to see if VDD is always 3v3
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2014-05-27T23:45:26 < Evidlo> bvernoux: 3.25
2014-05-27T23:45:36 < Evidlo> Loaded with a 1K
2014-05-27T23:47:17 < bvernoux> it seems not dead in that case
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2014-05-27T23:47:47 < bvernoux> but it is strange the voltage drop is huge
2014-05-27T23:48:06 < Evidlo> bvernoux: I've also got another board, semi-populated.  Is it safe to power the chip on without any passives?
2014-05-27T23:48:08 < bvernoux> could you try with 100ohm res ?
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2014-05-27T23:51:59 < bvernoux> what is your debugger board ?
2014-05-27T23:52:04 < Evidlo> bvernoux: 2.98
2014-05-27T23:52:15 < Evidlo> ST-link v2
2014-05-27T23:52:20 < bvernoux> the LDO is really bad
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2014-05-27T23:52:40 < bvernoux> 33mA with a loss of 0.25V !!
2014-05-27T23:53:00 < bvernoux> try SWD
2014-05-27T23:53:32 < Evidlo> Can I still do that with the STLINK?  this is my first project in embedded stuff
2014-05-27T23:53:40 < bvernoux> ha yes this one http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/FM146/CL1984/SC724/SS1677/PF251168
2014-05-27T23:53:41 < Evidlo> And SMD stuff for that matter.
2014-05-27T23:54:30 < bvernoux> a very simple stuff is to power the STM32F4 in DFU
2014-05-27T23:54:35 < bvernoux> to cheak if it is alive
2014-05-27T23:54:52 < bvernoux> and program it through USB DFU
2014-05-27T23:55:25 < bvernoux> like that you will know your board is working
2014-05-27T23:56:46 < bvernoux> I recommend this command line to flash the MCU DfuSeCommand.exe -c --de 0 -d --fn stm32f4_fw.dfu
2014-05-27T23:57:09 < bvernoux> using ST DfuSe
2014-05-27T23:57:15 < Evidlo> What if I just cut the 3v3 line and power externally?
2014-05-27T23:57:44 < bvernoux> from here http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1533/PF257916#
2014-05-27T23:58:31 < bvernoux> I think you have an other problem
2014-05-27T23:58:42 < bvernoux> maybe the JTAG is plugged in wrong way
2014-05-27T23:59:04 < Evidlo> Isn't the 2.98V a problem?
2014-05-27T23:59:09 < Evidlo> Can the board still operate?
2014-05-27T23:59:13 < bvernoux> yes at 33mA it is a problem
2014-05-27T23:59:18 < bvernoux> the voltage drop is huge
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2014-05-27T23:59:28 < bvernoux> i imagine at 100mA it will be maybe 0V
2014-05-27T23:59:43 < bvernoux> and the MCU probably requires 100mA or a bit more during programming
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2014-05-28T00:00:23 < bvernoux> check with a 30ohm resistor
2014-05-28T00:03:02 < Evidlo> Closest I've got is 22
2014-05-28T00:03:17 < bvernoux> i hope you will not burn the stuff ;)
2014-05-28T00:03:39 < Evidlo> What is this going to prove, though?  The regulator is obviously bad
2014-05-28T00:04:01 < bvernoux> hmm
2014-05-28T00:04:05 < bvernoux> it is what i think
2014-05-28T00:04:08 < bvernoux> MCU VDD
2014-05-28T00:04:13 < bvernoux> is the power from your BOARD
2014-05-28T00:04:34 < bvernoux> power supply from application board to ensure signal compatibility
2014-05-28T00:04:43 < bvernoux> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/user_manual/DM00026748.pdf
2014-05-28T00:04:55 < bvernoux> 3.2 Connection with STM32 applications
2014-05-28T00:06:15 < Evidlo> bvernoux: So you think there's something wrong with the board, too?
2014-05-28T00:06:31 < bvernoux> the JTAG debugger cannot power on the board
2014-05-28T00:06:43 < bvernoux> it is the same with SWD
2014-05-28T00:07:08 < bvernoux> so yes it could be a problem with your board
2014-05-28T00:07:10 < Evidlo> I'm asking, why can't I power the board from another source and still use the programmer
2014-05-28T00:07:24 < bvernoux> check with USB DFU
2014-05-28T00:07:29 < bvernoux> disconnect all
2014-05-28T00:07:40 < bvernoux> what's your board ?
2014-05-28T00:07:51 < bvernoux> something commercial or thing you have designed ?
2014-05-28T00:08:12 < Evidlo> I didn't design it, but its not commercial
2014-05-28T00:08:27 < bvernoux> it is not public right ?
2014-05-28T00:08:29 < Evidlo> I have the eagle schem
2014-05-28T00:08:31 < Evidlo> No
2014-05-28T00:08:37 < bvernoux> maybe some JTAG signal are wrongly routed
2014-05-28T00:08:39 < Evidlo> Made by my org
2014-05-28T00:08:44 < bvernoux> and especially Power ...
2014-05-28T00:09:34 < bvernoux> it shall be compliant with Table 4. JTAG/SWD cable connections
2014-05-28T00:10:58 < Evidlo> bvernoux: Is it ok to have Boot0 floating?
2014-05-28T00:11:33 < bvernoux> BOOT0 shall be 3.3V
2014-05-28T00:11:46 < bvernoux> and BOOT1 shall be GND
2014-05-28T00:11:51 < bvernoux> for USB DFU
2014-05-28T00:12:12 < bvernoux> I use that on STM32F405 I think it is same for F407
2014-05-28T00:12:33 < bvernoux> have you a power led on the board ?
2014-05-28T00:12:56 < Evidlo> Only a debug led, no power.
2014-05-28T00:13:25 < bvernoux> anyway in USB DFU the PC shall detect the board
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2014-05-28T00:13:46 < Evidlo> You think that's the easiest way to go?
2014-05-28T00:14:04 < bvernoux> at least like that you could check if the board work
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2014-05-28T00:16:01 < Evidlo> What kind of hardware does that require?
2014-05-28T00:16:26 < bvernoux> USB DFU ?
2014-05-28T00:16:37 < bvernoux> nothing just an usb cable on USB0
2014-05-28T00:16:50 < bvernoux> have you USB0 available on the board ?
2014-05-28T00:17:01 < bvernoux> on microUSB
2014-05-28T00:17:07 < bvernoux> or miniUSB
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2014-05-28T00:17:32 < Evidlo> bvernoux: No, only jtag.  I have header pins for every pin though.
2014-05-28T00:17:51 < bvernoux> ok so you cannot check USB DFU
2014-05-28T00:18:14 < Evidlo> bvernoux: Well, I can breadboard.  It just won't be easy
2014-05-28T00:18:49 < bvernoux> yes you can
2014-05-28T00:18:56 < bvernoux> you need 2 resistor 22ohm
2014-05-28T00:19:02 < bvernoux> for DP and DM
2014-05-28T00:19:11 < bvernoux> ID is not used
2014-05-28T00:19:33 < bvernoux> also GND
2014-05-28T00:19:46 < bvernoux> and VCC => 5V In on your board
2014-05-28T00:19:52 < Evidlo> And an oscillator?
2014-05-28T00:19:58 < bvernoux> maybe you have not 5V as Input too
2014-05-28T00:20:44 < bvernoux> I hope you have a 8MHz quartz ?
2014-05-28T00:20:50 < Evidlo> Datasheet says you only need regulator if you're powering a USB bus
2014-05-28T00:20:55 < bvernoux> for main MCU
2014-05-28T00:21:37 < Evidlo> Doesn't it have an internal oscillator?
2014-05-28T00:21:49 < bvernoux> yes but it is very bad
2014-05-28T00:21:58 < bvernoux> for USB it requires an external oscillator 8Mhz
2014-05-28T00:22:18 < bvernoux> i doubt USB even at low speed will work with internal RC
2014-05-28T00:22:39 < bvernoux> and Internal RC is not recommended ;)
2014-05-28T00:23:23 < bvernoux> The USB OTG FS receives the 48 MHz ±0.25%clock from the reset and clock controller
2014-05-28T00:23:23 < bvernoux> (RCC), via an external quartz
2014-05-28T00:23:35 < bvernoux> so External QUartz is mandatory
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2014-05-28T00:29:56 < Evidlo> I'm digging around for one
2014-05-28T00:30:12 < Evidlo> So far I've seen 4, 9 and 16
2014-05-28T00:30:28 < bvernoux> 4, 9 and 16 what ?
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2014-05-28T00:31:00 < bvernoux> anyway without any photo or schematic of your board it is really hard to diagnostic anything
2014-05-28T00:32:02 < Evidlo> MHz
2014-05-28T00:32:08 < Evidlo> bvernoux: I have the schematic
2014-05-28T00:35:03 < Evidlo> bvernoux: http://volt.pieee.org/board.zip
2014-05-28T00:35:38 < bvernoux> I confirm for me STLINK/V2 VDD (3.3V) shall be not connected on Target connection
2014-05-28T00:35:55 < bvernoux> only Target VCC to be connected on MCU VCC
2014-05-28T00:36:00 < bvernoux> which shall be 3.3V
2014-05-28T00:37:13 < Evidlo> Do you have Eagle?
2014-05-28T00:37:34 < bvernoux> yes
2014-05-28T00:37:41 < bvernoux> ok so on the schematic
2014-05-28T00:37:49 < bvernoux> only VTARGET is used
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2014-05-28T00:37:54 < bvernoux> and JTAG signal
2014-05-28T00:38:04 < bvernoux> so yes your board is not power by JTAG
2014-05-28T00:38:16 < bvernoux> VTARGET is just a reference voltage for the JTAG debugger
2014-05-28T00:38:39 < Evidlo> bvernoux: It's an input you're saying?
2014-05-28T00:39:13 < bvernoux> could you check you have this devugger
2014-05-28T00:39:13 < bvernoux> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/user_manual/DM00026748.pdf
2014-05-28T00:39:25 < bvernoux> ST-LINK/V2 or -ISOL ?
2014-05-28T00:39:31 < Evidlo> Yes, I do.  The the white egg-shaped one
2014-05-28T00:40:11 < Evidlo> the 1st one, ST-LINK/V2
2014-05-28T00:40:16 < bvernoux> so the product on 2 Product contents
2014-05-28T00:40:23 < bvernoux> and you have used cable E ?
2014-05-28T00:41:03 < Evidlo> Yes.  I checked to make sure that the cable was oriented correctly
2014-05-28T00:41:17 < bvernoux> RED is Pin1
2014-05-28T00:41:25 < bvernoux> =VDD=3.3V
2014-05-28T00:41:28 < bvernoux> on your board
2014-05-28T00:41:36 < bvernoux> right ?
2014-05-28T00:43:42 < Evidlo> Something is off here
2014-05-28T00:44:21 < bvernoux> on schematic JTAG1 seems correct towards "3.2  Connection with STM32 applications"
2014-05-28T00:44:26 < bvernoux> Target connection
2014-05-28T00:44:26 < bvernoux> (JTAG)
2014-05-28T00:44:51 < bvernoux> so the problem seems only on your board
2014-05-28T00:45:02 < bvernoux> maybe the LDO is dead or something is wrong on the board
2014-05-28T00:45:09 < bvernoux> could you power it alone without debugger
2014-05-28T00:45:14 < bvernoux> and check the voltage and current ?
2014-05-28T00:45:14 < Evidlo> Well hold on.  I'm getting the red as GND
2014-05-28T00:45:21 < bvernoux> ha grr
2014-05-28T00:45:35 < bvernoux> RED is pin1
2014-05-28T00:45:36 < Evidlo> But in that case, the notch is on the wrong side
2014-05-28T00:45:38 < bvernoux> so VDD
2014-05-28T00:45:56 < bvernoux> yes you have a problem with the connector
2014-05-28T00:46:05 < bvernoux> it is why the regulator make a sound ;)
2014-05-28T00:46:06 < Evidlo> It's the original connector
2014-05-28T00:46:09 < bvernoux> VDD is connected to GND
2014-05-28T00:46:32 < bvernoux> so nothing shall be broken because LDO is protected i think like all LDO
2014-05-28T00:46:46 < GargantuaSauce> hahah
2014-05-28T00:48:26 < bvernoux> on the board the connector is good
2014-05-28T00:48:28 < Evidlo> bvernoux: Should Target VCC be 0?
2014-05-28T00:48:47 < bvernoux> Target VCC on your board shall be 3.3V
2014-05-28T00:49:00 < bvernoux> on the debugger it shall be floating it is an input
2014-05-28T00:49:07 < Evidlo> Right
2014-05-28T00:49:11 < Evidlo> I think the cable is correct
2014-05-28T00:49:11 < bvernoux> just a voltage ref i think
2014-05-28T00:49:32 < bvernoux> cable red shall be on pin 1 on target
2014-05-28T00:49:48 < Evidlo> Yea, red is the TVCC line
2014-05-28T00:49:52 < bvernoux> on your board you have < with 1 number
2014-05-28T00:51:01 < Evidlo> So it looks like my board needs external power
2014-05-28T00:51:32 < Evidlo> I blew a regulator when I had the JTAG plugged in though
2014-05-28T00:51:51 < bvernoux> hmm strange
2014-05-28T00:51:59 < bvernoux> yes board need external power anyway
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2014-05-28T00:53:27 < bvernoux> the schematic is not clear at all concerning Power IN and OUT
2014-05-28T00:54:07 < Evidlo> bvernoux: Power comes in at JP5
2014-05-28T00:54:26 < bvernoux> ok found
2014-05-28T00:54:44 < bvernoux> IC1 give the 3.3V as output
2014-05-28T00:54:49 < bvernoux> with 12V In
2014-05-28T00:55:05 < Evidlo> Yes
2014-05-28T00:55:48 < bvernoux> could you check if you have 3.3V as output on IC1 ?
2014-05-28T00:56:18 < bvernoux> if you have 12V all is dead
2014-05-28T00:57:13 < Evidlo> I need to relocate.  I've been bringing stuff from the lab downstairs.  I'm just going to move up there
2014-05-28T00:58:02 < bvernoux> you could have killed the debugger too if the VREF/VTARGET is > 5V
2014-05-28T00:58:13 < bvernoux> and the MCU should be dead too in that case
2014-05-28T00:59:16 < Evidlo> I'm moving now.  The 3v3 regulator was an LD1086.
2014-05-28T00:59:31 < Evidlo> Facing the MCU on the layout
2014-05-28T00:59:51 < Evidlo> moving my stuff now
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2014-05-28T01:00:41 < bvernoux> it is not a 317T ?
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2014-05-28T01:05:06 < bvernoux> the biggest problem in this design is to do not use a crystal for the STM32F4
2014-05-28T01:05:16 < bvernoux> internal RC is very bad !!!
2014-05-28T01:05:46 < bvernoux> IIRC with such bad stuff you cannot even clock the MCU at 168MHz because RC is too unstable
2014-05-28T01:06:11 < bvernoux> Pll will probably never lock even at lower frequency ...
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2014-05-28T01:06:34 < bvernoux> re
2014-05-28T01:06:37 < bvernoux> i was saying
2014-05-28T01:06:38 < bvernoux> <bvernoux> the biggest problem in this design is to do not use a crystal for the STM32F4
2014-05-28T01:06:38 < bvernoux> <bvernoux> internal RC is very bad !!!
2014-05-28T01:06:38 < bvernoux> <bvernoux> IIRC with such bad stuff you cannot even clock the MCU at 168MHz because RC is too unstable
2014-05-28T01:06:38 < bvernoux> <bvernoux> Pll will probably never lock even at lower frequency ...
2014-05-28T01:07:23 < Evidlo> I'll be sure to include one in Rev2
2014-05-28T01:07:28 < Evidlo> Will this board even work?
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2014-05-28T01:10:21 < bvernoux> i just hope you have not a solder bridge on the LDO to do 12V to 3.3V
2014-05-28T01:10:51 < bvernoux> or a problem with the LDO with an output power > 3.3V on output as the MCU will be fried
2014-05-28T01:11:21 < Evidlo> I'm about to check that now
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2014-05-28T01:12:50 < bvernoux> I see one problem an overlap
2014-05-28T01:13:03 < bvernoux> DRC error
2014-05-28T01:13:26 < bvernoux> on U$21
2014-05-28T01:14:23 < bvernoux> on schematic U$21 have 2 pins
2014-05-28T01:14:27 < Evidlo> bvernoux: I'm getting 3.31V out on the regulator
2014-05-28T01:14:29 < bvernoux> and on board 3 pins ...
2014-05-28T01:15:10 < bvernoux> so voltage is good
2014-05-28T01:15:14 < bvernoux> coudl you measure current ?
2014-05-28T01:15:45 < Evidlo> bvernoux: That overlap is ok, the pin is NC
2014-05-28T01:16:05 < Evidlo> I did the layout, but not the schem
2014-05-28T01:16:29 < Evidlo> bvernoux: I can measure current at 12v, not 3v3
2014-05-28T01:16:33 < bvernoux> on schematic you have error too
2014-05-28T01:16:45 < bvernoux> IC2
2014-05-28T01:16:58 < bvernoux> Segment of net +12V has fallen apart
2014-05-28T01:17:03 < bvernoux> it is not very good
2014-05-28T01:17:15 < bvernoux> also lot of pin not connected
2014-05-28T01:17:27 < bvernoux> with some overlaps ...
2014-05-28T01:17:42 < Evidlo> The 5v reg?
2014-05-28T01:18:35 < bvernoux> C44 have a real problem
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2014-05-28T01:18:45 < bvernoux> GND is no connected to the capacitor
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2014-05-28T01:19:23 < bvernoux> ha no it is a warning about the wire under
2014-05-28T01:20:00 < Evidlo> bvernoux: I've gone through all the ERC's and DRC's
2014-05-28T01:20:03 < Evidlo> there shouldn't be any
2014-05-28T01:20:14 < Evidlo> Or if there are, they are ok
2014-05-28T01:20:31 < Evidlo> Also, I just accidentally applied 12v to GND
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2014-05-28T01:20:56 < dongs> dekar: haha i dont know. i've seen bikes driving on highway with shitload of blinking leds around it so..
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2014-05-28T01:21:07 < Evidlo> Power supply turned off.  the MCU should be ok right?
2014-05-28T01:21:15 < bvernoux> yes
2014-05-28T01:21:31 < bvernoux> if you have not applied 12V on the 3.3V ;)
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2014-05-28T01:24:10 < bvernoux> Evidlo: check there is no bridge on pins of the MCU too
2014-05-28T01:24:19 < bvernoux> especially on the JTAG pins
2014-05-28T01:24:34 < Evidlo> Yes, I've gone through with a multimeter and checked all adjacent pins
2014-05-28T01:25:58 < bvernoux> have you a pull up res on RST pin ?
2014-05-28T01:26:31 < bvernoux> also BOOT0 shall be connected to a resistor and GND
2014-05-28T01:26:37 < bvernoux> to boot on FLASH at startup
2014-05-28T01:28:01 < bvernoux> also the pull up on JTAG pins are not required
2014-05-28T01:28:43 < Evidlo> Resistance between 12v and GND is 300 ohms
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2014-05-28T01:29:39 < Evidlo> Looks like RST is floating right now
2014-05-28T01:30:37 < bvernoux> NRST on MCU shall be connected to a 10K res connected to 3V3
2014-05-28T01:30:43 < bvernoux> else the MCU is always in Reset
2014-05-28T01:31:01 < bvernoux> GND is to keep MCU in Reset
2014-05-28T01:31:49 < dongs> are there any pics of waht this Evidlo talking about
2014-05-28T01:31:54 < dongs> < Evidlo> Do you have Eagle?
2014-05-28T01:31:56 < dongs> haha eagle.
2014-05-28T01:32:27 < Evidlo> bvernoux: btw, the 3v3 reg is pulling about 10mA
2014-05-28T01:32:28 < bvernoux> yes eagle ;)
2014-05-28T01:32:48 < bvernoux> 10mA hmm not bad
2014-05-28T01:33:02 < bvernoux> I imagine the MCU have never been flashed ?
2014-05-28T01:33:12 < dongs> wait, doge?
2014-05-28T01:33:15 < dongs> wat the fuck
2014-05-28T01:33:23 < Evidlo> bvernoux: Nope, I'm the one who soldered it on
2014-05-28T01:33:24 < bvernoux> doge board ;)
2014-05-28T01:33:45 < bvernoux> Evidlo: and it is programmed with a working firmware ?
2014-05-28T01:33:46 < Evidlo> Yea, I got creative
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2014-05-28T01:34:04 < Evidlo> bvernoux: I have no idea.  I pulled it out of the wrapper and slapped it on
2014-05-28T01:34:14 < bvernoux> anyway in actual schematic NRST is wrong
2014-05-28T01:34:23 < bvernoux> always in reset
2014-05-28T01:34:31 < bvernoux> that will explain 10mA power consumption
2014-05-28T01:34:41 < bvernoux> NRST => 10K => 3.3V
2014-05-28T01:35:46 < Evidlo> Ok, should be able to add that in with a through res
2014-05-28T01:35:46 < bvernoux> Evidlo: check NRST pin
2014-05-28T01:35:52 < Evidlo> voltage?
2014-05-28T01:35:54 < bvernoux> it shall be 3.3V
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2014-05-28T01:38:51 < Evidlo> bvernoux: Ok, I'm going to jump pins 26 and 23 with a 10K res
2014-05-28T01:39:14 < dongs> you mean 25
2014-05-28T01:39:16 < bvernoux> now the board will boot
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2014-05-28T01:39:45 < bvernoux> yes pin 25 => 10K => 3.3V
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2014-05-28T01:40:03 < dongs> you dont need all those pullups on jtag
2014-05-28T01:40:07 < dongs> or full tjtag for that matter
2014-05-28T01:40:08 < bvernoux> yes
2014-05-28T01:40:16 < bvernoux> JTAG does not require any pull up
2014-05-28T01:40:27 < bvernoux> remove them too
2014-05-28T01:40:45 < bvernoux> that will affect speed on JTAG else
2014-05-28T01:40:48 < bvernoux> especially 10K
2014-05-28T01:41:42 < Evidlo> Ok, Pin 25 on Left -> 10K -> Pin 30 on left
2014-05-28T01:42:57 < bvernoux> yes should be ok
2014-05-28T01:43:09 < bvernoux> anyway you should see a power consumption > 10mA on 3.3V
2014-05-28T01:44:19 < Evidlo> should be below 200mA right?  meters rated for that
2014-05-28T01:45:46 < bvernoux> yes
2014-05-28T01:46:02 < bvernoux> max power consumption of STM32F4 is 100mA
2014-05-28T01:46:05 < Evidlo> I'm getting 10.5mA on the 3v3 reg with the 10K added
2014-05-28T01:46:06 < bvernoux> on 3.3V
2014-05-28T01:46:15 < karlp> !amongst
2014-05-28T01:46:23 < bvernoux> which fw have in flash ?
2014-05-28T01:46:30 < karlp> man, wrong channel, and wrong trigger
2014-05-28T01:46:39 < Evidlo> bvernoux: I've never flashed it.  It's virgin
2014-05-28T01:46:59 < bvernoux> hmm ok
2014-05-28T01:47:14 < bvernoux> then if you touch IO power consumption shall be modified ;)
2014-05-28T01:47:21 < bvernoux> as all IO are floating
2014-05-28T01:47:39 < bvernoux> becareful to ESD
2014-05-28T01:47:42 < Evidlo> So put a resistor on an IO pin?
2014-05-28T01:47:49 < bvernoux> just touch with finger ;)
2014-05-28T01:48:02 < Evidlo> Do I need to touch gnd too?
2014-05-28T01:48:09 < bvernoux> not really
2014-05-28T01:48:24 < bvernoux> it is better to avoid ESD in your body
2014-05-28T01:48:56 < bvernoux> anyway now the MCU could be programmed
2014-05-28T01:49:05 < bvernoux> as before it was always in reset
2014-05-28T01:49:25 < bvernoux> I imagine ther was bus contention too
2014-05-28T01:49:54 < bvernoux> because JTAG debugger was setting the pin to 3.3V and you was setting pin to GND ...
2014-05-28T01:49:56 < Evidlo> touching IO brings it to 12-13
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2014-05-28T01:50:19 < bvernoux> yes great
2014-05-28T01:50:43 < bvernoux> also fix BOOT0
2014-05-28T01:50:50 < Evidlo> Should I remove the JTAG pullups now?
2014-05-28T01:51:05 < bvernoux> to boot from FLASH it shall be set to GND
2014-05-28T01:51:13 < bvernoux> yes remove all the pullups on JTAG
2014-05-28T01:51:23 < Evidlo> bvernoux: It's on  configurable header
2014-05-28T01:51:29 < bvernoux> ha
2014-05-28T01:51:34 < Evidlo> That's what that 3 pin thing is
2014-05-28T01:51:46 < Evidlo> U$37
2014-05-28T01:52:04 < bvernoux> in that case set it to GND
2014-05-28T01:52:11 < Evidlo> Unfortunately I can't find any jumpers for it, so I have to solder it
2014-05-28T01:52:21 < bvernoux> yes
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2014-05-28T01:52:41 < bvernoux> anyway it is not mandatory now as you have not flashed anything in the MCU IIRC
2014-05-28T01:53:13 < bvernoux> you can also try to solder USB0 connector
2014-05-28T01:53:23 < bvernoux> to test USB DFU
2014-05-28T01:54:25 < bvernoux> PA12=USB0_D+ and PA16=USB0_D-
2014-05-28T01:54:29 < bvernoux> PA13
2014-05-28T01:54:33 < bvernoux> oups
2014-05-28T01:54:43 < bvernoux> PA12=USB0_D+ and PA11=USB0_D-
2014-05-28T01:54:44 < dongs> why not hookup thta "jtag' connector you made
2014-05-28T01:54:45 < dongs> and make use of it
2014-05-28T01:54:47 < dongs> jesus.
2014-05-28T01:54:50 < dongs> why solder USB to shit
2014-05-28T01:55:02 < bvernoux> USB shit is to test the board work ;)
2014-05-28T01:55:08 < dongs> ........................
2014-05-28T01:55:28 < bvernoux> anyway remove the JTAG resistors and retry with JTAG debugger too
2014-05-28T01:55:38 < bvernoux> as now NRST is fixed it shall work better
2014-05-28T01:55:39 < dongs> no need to 'remove' them but they arent necessary
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2014-05-28T01:57:03 < bvernoux> Evidlo: do not hot plug JTAG too power off all before
2014-05-28T01:57:35 < Evidlo> What about the issue with the 3v3 regulator exploding?
2014-05-28T01:57:57 < Evidlo> I removed all the JTAG pullups
2014-05-28T01:58:57 < bvernoux> exploding ?
2014-05-28T01:59:35 < Evidlo> The regulator gets hot when JTAG is plugged in
2014-05-28T01:59:45 < bvernoux> which regulator ?
2014-05-28T01:59:52 < Evidlo> The 3v3 regulator
2014-05-28T02:00:02 < bvernoux> IC1 ?
2014-05-28T02:00:17 < Evidlo> Yes
2014-05-28T02:00:28 < bvernoux> measure the 3.3V
2014-05-28T02:00:31 < Evidlo> That was a few days ago, haven't tried it again since
2014-05-28T02:00:49 < bvernoux> disconnect power from board
2014-05-28T02:00:53 < bvernoux> connect the JTAG
2014-05-28T02:01:02 < bvernoux> connect the multimeter on 3.3V
2014-05-28T02:01:05 < bvernoux> and power on
2014-05-28T02:01:16 < bvernoux> if 3.3V is < 3V there is a problem
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2014-05-28T02:02:49 < qyx_> fried ldo?
2014-05-28T02:03:00 < zyp> kfl
2014-05-28T02:03:50 < Evidlo> Doesn't seem to get hot anymore
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2014-05-28T02:04:11 < Evidlo> TVDD is 3v3
2014-05-28T02:04:14 < bvernoux> ha great
2014-05-28T02:04:24 < Evidlo> Maybe it was the pullups?
2014-05-28T02:04:48 < bvernoux> no there was 10K res behind
2014-05-28T02:05:10 < bvernoux> it is very little current
2014-05-28T02:05:48 < bvernoux> the problem was bus contention with NRST
2014-05-28T02:05:56 < bvernoux> it was forced to GND without any resistor
2014-05-28T02:06:04 < bvernoux> and the debugger shall force it to 3.3V
2014-05-28T02:06:23 < bvernoux> by connecting the VREF to NRST ;)
2014-05-28T02:06:48 < Evidlo> What's the difference between NRST and RST?
2014-05-28T02:06:53 < zyp> N
2014-05-28T02:07:04 < zyp> i.e. inverted logic
2014-05-28T02:07:13 < bvernoux> N for negate
2014-05-28T02:07:15 < zyp> it's active low
2014-05-28T02:07:35 < bvernoux> yes so active when GND = RESET
2014-05-28T02:08:06 < bvernoux> it is why we shall drive it to 3.3V with a pull up 10K res
2014-05-28T02:08:56 < bvernoux> Evidlo: so now try to communicate with the MCU
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2014-05-28T02:09:21 < bvernoux> see you later bye
2014-05-28T02:09:27 < Evidlo> Heh, I flashed it
2014-05-28T02:09:36 < bvernoux> nice problem fixed ;)
2014-05-28T02:09:45 < bvernoux> bye
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2014-05-28T02:10:11 < Evidlo> Well thanks to others
2014-05-28T02:10:19 < Evidlo> It's now flashing an LED that isn't there
2014-05-28T02:11:25 < dongs> nice dongs
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2014-05-28T02:12:46 < Evidlo> Do these chips typically ship with firmware?
2014-05-28T02:17:03 < zyp> in main flash? no
2014-05-28T02:17:44 < zyp> main flash is typically blank, which puts the chip right into lockup as it tries loading and executing code from it
2014-05-28T02:17:55 < Evidlo> Does that mean the .bin I just flashed won't work?
2014-05-28T02:18:14 < zyp> huh?
2014-05-28T02:18:42 < Evidlo> I used this utility and it told me that my binary file was flashed successfully
2014-05-28T02:19:00 < zyp> and?
2014-05-28T02:19:28 < Evidlo> Is it running the program?  Or did I just throw some data into its memory.
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2014-05-28T02:20:23 < Evidlo> This is the first real embedded project I've ever worked on, so I don't really understand what's going on
2014-05-28T02:21:46 < qyx_> the thing called "firmware" is your bin you flashed here
2014-05-28T02:22:13 < qyx_> it was blank, now it contains your firmware file
2014-05-28T02:22:26 < Evidlo> Ok.  Is there a bootloader like there is with arduino?
2014-05-28T02:23:03 < qyx_> yes, it does have dfu bootloader
2014-05-28T02:23:28 < qyx_> the chip enters bootloader if you tell it to
2014-05-28T02:23:32 < qyx_> boot0/boot1 pins
2014-05-28T02:23:54 < Evidlo> And the bootloader is responsible for writing to flash memory and hardware checks?
2014-05-28T02:24:04 < qyx_> yes and no
2014-05-28T02:24:08 < qyx_> only if you use it
2014-05-28T02:24:24 < qyx_> you don't use bootloader if you use flash
2014-05-28T02:24:27 < qyx_> meh
2014-05-28T02:24:29 < qyx_> if you use jtag
2014-05-28T02:25:08 < Evidlo> Neat
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2014-05-28T02:29:38 < zyp> the bootloader is in a separate area that you don't need to care about
2014-05-28T02:29:47 < zyp> if you're not using it, you can just ignore it
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2014-05-28T02:52:51 < Evidlo> Man this blinkLED project is huge.
2014-05-28T02:52:58 < Evidlo> Is all this code really necessary?
2014-05-28T02:53:40 < zyp> what code?
2014-05-28T02:54:32 < zyp> blinking a led takes a minimum of turning on the GPIO block you're using in RCC, setting the pin to output and toggling it in a loop
2014-05-28T02:54:53 < Evidlo> It comes with the Eclipse ARM GCC plugin
2014-05-28T02:55:20 < Evidlo> I can't even figure out where the pin is defined
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2014-05-28T03:01:14 < Evidlo> zyp: Is a 'port' the letter before the pin number?
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2014-05-28T03:02:42 < zyp> port, block, whatever you want to call a group of pins
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2014-05-28T03:11:18 < dongs> is that board going to the moon
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2014-05-28T03:35:46 < zyp> dongs, so you're ordering parts today and then assembly later this week?
2014-05-28T03:36:07 < dongs> ordering parts today,
2014-05-28T03:36:11 < dongs> assembling when everything is here
2014-05-28T03:36:12 < dongs> yes
2014-05-28T03:36:30 < zyp> ok, good
2014-05-28T03:40:30 < dongs> and  you need to make dicknplace output in mm
2014-05-28T03:40:38 < dongs> and please give me both .t xt and csv versions
2014-05-28T03:40:46 < zyp> ok
2014-05-28T03:41:28 < dongs> the dumb dicknplace importer sometimes fucks up on the space-delimited shit
2014-05-28T03:41:30 < dongs> but works wiht csv
2014-05-28T03:41:32 < dongs> and vice versa
2014-05-28T03:41:39 < dongs> not that this is hard to enter manually but I'd rather not
2014-05-28T03:41:55 < zyp> especially not with the huge number of parts
2014-05-28T03:42:17 < dongs> i spent half a day yesterday to setup dicknplace for a board with like 600 parts on it, no thanks
2014-05-28T03:42:25 < zyp> oh, by the way, do you still have those f3 nazi boards you talked about before?
2014-05-28T03:42:28 < dongs> yes
2014-05-28T03:42:48 < dongs> i made a panel of 6 last time of the latest revision with fixed mag vcc etc
2014-05-28T03:43:36 < zyp> ok, then I'm probably interested in a couple of them too
2014-05-28T03:44:42 < dongs> OK so my order list for your shit is gonna be just reel of 75R, and whatever many PCA9517 to cover the total number of blank boards.
2014-05-28T03:44:49 < dongs> and 13pin smt headers
2014-05-28T03:45:04 < dongs> i have .1uF/4.7k on r eel.
2014-05-28T03:45:13 < zyp> sounds right
2014-05-28T03:45:31 < zyp> also 0R
2014-05-28T03:45:51 < dongs> oh.
2014-05-28T03:45:56 < dongs> yes, i dont have that. ok then.
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2014-05-28T03:46:34 < dongs> i wonder if I should get 0R in 1% or 5%
2014-05-28T03:46:46 < zyp> :D
2014-05-28T03:46:49 < dongs> total number of ioboards is 43*3
2014-05-28T03:46:53 < dongs> so 129
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2014-05-28T04:05:03 < dongs> zyp, are you OK wiht 300 2x13 smt headers
2014-05-28T04:05:10 < dongs> i dont trust these fucks not to ruin the edges when they break them
2014-05-28T04:05:22 < dongs> so i don't really wanna get exact count and have shit not mounted
2014-05-28T04:06:12 < zyp> sure, I don't assume they're that expensive
2014-05-28T04:06:31 < dongs> .165/ea
2014-05-28T04:06:45 < zyp> right, no problem at all
2014-05-28T04:06:45 < dongs> not as dirtcheap as dip
2014-05-28T04:06:49 < dongs> OK
2014-05-28T04:07:30 < zyp> I mean, the difference between 300 and exact is like $7
2014-05-28T04:07:42 < dongs> right
2014-05-28T04:08:10 < dongs> anything else you want/need/wanna add to the shit?
2014-05-28T04:08:18 < dongs> its gonna be like 20bux shipping for this
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2014-05-28T04:09:41 < zyp> hmm, I don't suppose they have the parts for the fpga board
2014-05-28T04:09:56 < dongs> possible
2014-05-28T04:10:01 < dongs> tell me what they are?
2014-05-28T04:10:26 < zyp> nah, it's not important, I'll get them from digikey anyway
2014-05-28T04:10:41 < zyp> I'm not going to make enough for cost to be an issue anyway
2014-05-28T04:10:47 < dongs> hokay.
2014-05-28T04:10:55 < zyp> or wait, the fpga is kinda pricy
2014-05-28T04:10:58 < dongs> heh
2014-05-28T04:11:07 < dongs> well tell me the part#
2014-05-28T04:11:13 < zyp> looking it up
2014-05-28T04:12:46 < zyp> XC3S50A or XC3S200A in bga256
2014-05-28T04:13:36 < dongs> FPGA XC3S200A-4FTG256C then?
2014-05-28T04:13:42 < dongs> do you carea bout speed grade shit?
2014-05-28T04:13:55 < zyp> I don't think so
2014-05-28T04:14:23 < dongs> im guessing probly aroudn 6-7 bucks for it, but lemme ask
2014-05-28T04:14:41 < zyp> ok, digikey is $15
2014-05-28T04:14:48 < zyp> get me three if they are cheaper
2014-05-28T04:14:55 < dongs> ok
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2014-05-28T04:28:13 < dongs> haha
2014-05-28T04:28:15 < dongs> 5 bucks, zyp
2014-05-28T04:28:17 < dongs> for 200a
2014-05-28T04:28:25 < zyp> nice
2014-05-28T04:29:05 < dongs> and thats .. sample
2014-05-28T04:29:10 < dongs> apparently tray is cehaeper
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2014-05-28T04:30:32 < dongs> rofl, apparently 50A there is no "original stock"
2014-05-28T04:30:40 < dongs> does that mean china makes CLONES of xilinx fpgas? :)
2014-05-28T04:31:22 < qyx_> is there anything that china didn't clone?
2014-05-28T04:31:39 < dongs> ya but
2014-05-28T04:31:52 < dongs> cloning fpga?
2014-05-28T04:32:29 < qyx_> why not, you have the advantage of readily available tools
2014-05-28T04:35:52 < upgrdman> finished my 100w led boost converter :) mounted the PCB to the LED's heatsink:  http://farrellf.com/temp/boost_converter_for_100w_led.jpg
2014-05-28T04:36:53 < dongs> jesus
2014-05-28T04:36:58 < dongs> is that more of your homemade masked pcbs
2014-05-28T04:37:01 < GargantuaSauce> wasnt the heatsink already insufficient without the airflow limited?
2014-05-28T04:37:03 < dongs> that looks fucking pro
2014-05-28T04:37:05 < GargantuaSauce> or is this a bigger one
2014-05-28T04:37:09 < qyx_> isn't the heatsink small?
2014-05-28T04:38:09 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce: will mount fan to it :)
2014-05-28T04:38:11 < qyx_> i have a bit bigger and it can't handle 30W
2014-05-28T04:38:17 < qyx_> ah
2014-05-28T04:38:30 < zyp> boost? how many diodes does that thing have in series to require a boost?
2014-05-28T04:38:32 < upgrdman> dongs: yes, at home 1L pcb.
2014-05-28T04:38:32 < GargantuaSauce> might make more sense to put the pcb on the other face of the heatsink <_<
2014-05-28T04:38:42 < upgrdman> zyp: 1 diode
2014-05-28T04:38:49 < qyx_> generally 10 series 10 parallel
2014-05-28T04:38:51 < zyp> at which forward voltage?
2014-05-28T04:39:05 < upgrdman> 0.9V iirc
2014-05-28T04:39:05 < qyx_> 33-35V is mine
2014-05-28T04:39:11 < qyx_> wut
2014-05-28T04:39:12 < upgrdman> oh you mean the led.
2014-05-28T04:39:26 < dongs> zyp: ok, thats it for hte list then
2014-05-28T04:39:28 < zyp> of course I mean the led
2014-05-28T04:39:33 < upgrdman> ya, 32-36 rated. mine's at about 33.5 when pushed 95w through it
2014-05-28T04:39:33 < zyp> dongs, should be
2014-05-28T04:39:57 < qyx_> i have some plans of doing 48V buck for them
2014-05-28T04:40:10 < upgrdman> dongs: bottom of this pic shows my pro diy pcb: http://farrellf.com/temp/boost_converter_pcb.jpg
2014-05-28T04:40:24 < GargantuaSauce> what's gonna power it? 3S lipo?
2014-05-28T04:40:28 < upgrdman> yes
2014-05-28T04:40:40 < GargantuaSauce> for like 10 minutes
2014-05-28T04:40:48 < upgrdman> and yes, i monitor input voltage and set a cut-off
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2014-05-28T04:41:11 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce: i can get 3S 6000mAh at work, good for maybe 40 mins
2014-05-28T04:44:06 < qyx_> i don't really understand all the rc people
2014-05-28T04:44:17 < upgrdman> ?
2014-05-28T04:44:18 < qyx_> using such low voltages up to few kW of power
2014-05-28T04:44:27 < upgrdman> two things
2014-05-28T04:44:52 < upgrdman> stacking cells isn't terribly efficient either, you waste a lot of weight in cell packages.
2014-05-28T04:45:13 < GargantuaSauce> and low voltage fets are cheaper and people really like linear regulators
2014-05-28T04:45:14 < upgrdman> people are stupid. if you use a voltage high enough to shock someone, old dumbfucks will end up in the hospital
2014-05-28T04:45:27 < GargantuaSauce> lots of momentum behind the low voltage hardware
2014-05-28T04:45:34 < upgrdman> and oh fuck there's so manny fucktards in RC
2014-05-28T04:46:04 < qyx_> meh
2014-05-28T04:46:56 < qyx_> the losses would be much smaller using higher voltages :S
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2014-05-28T04:47:06 < dongs> zyp: inv for parts sent
2014-05-28T04:47:15 < dongs> waiting on inv for pcb+stencil thats totalled
2014-05-28T04:47:52 < upgrdman> qyx_: decent setups don't have much loss as it is
2014-05-28T04:48:12 < upgrdman> 12awg wire is fine for 80A if you're only going a few inches, etc.
2014-05-28T04:48:12 < qyx_> yep and awg12 wires ans such
2014-05-28T04:48:44 < zyp> weight saved in conductors will be weight spent on insulation
2014-05-28T04:49:24 < qyx_> the wires are rated probably minimally for 300V anyway
2014-05-28T04:49:30 < upgrdman> speaking of insulation... holy shit i've seen some crap solder jobs on connectors.
2014-05-28T04:49:37 < dongs> in RC trash?
2014-05-28T04:49:38 < dongs> of course
2014-05-28T04:49:43 < dongs> most RC pros cant solder worth a fuck
2014-05-28T04:49:46 < upgrdman> one customer sent in a lipo, saying his charger wouldn't charge it.
2014-05-28T04:49:56 < GargantuaSauce> only so much you can do with a 20W radioshack iron
2014-05-28T04:50:00 < upgrdman> he LITERALLY glued the wires to his connector. FUCKING GLUED THEM
2014-05-28T04:50:03 < GargantuaSauce> lol
2014-05-28T04:50:04 < upgrdman> with ca
2014-05-28T04:50:10 < GargantuaSauce> that's pretty fucking funny
2014-05-28T04:50:14 < dongs> nice
2014-05-28T04:50:23 < dongs> that electricity how does it fuckign work
2014-05-28T04:50:45 < upgrdman> i should start taking photos of the stupid shit i see
2014-05-28T04:51:28 < zyp> fuck, I typed wrong paypal addr
2014-05-28T04:51:44 < zyp> actually I didn't type it, it came out wrong when I copied it
2014-05-28T04:51:46 < upgrdman> a year ago some shithead charged a 4S 8000mAh LiPo while it was still in his 1/8th buggy. but he set it to NiCd. enitire fucking thing burned to the ground. only the aluminum bits and steel hardware didn't melt
2014-05-28T04:53:15 < upgrdman> a moron sent in his speed control for testing, saying it kept cutting out. he used fucking wire nuts to splice in the extra wire. wire nuts.
2014-05-28T04:53:26 < zyp> dongs, ok, paid
2014-05-28T04:53:27 < gnomad> some of those r/c people are not too bright.  case in point:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF9fhlr9S5s
2014-05-28T04:53:34 < zyp> to right addr on second attempt
2014-05-28T04:54:18 < dongs> lorf
2014-05-28T04:54:38 < GargantuaSauce> >was tested at 5 volts
2014-05-28T04:55:02 < GargantuaSauce> yeah ok let's leave it on the bench! good idea
2014-05-28T04:57:20 < gnomad> and then there is the epic photo of the quad that crashed into the stadium in virginia -- clearly showing deans and JST plugs connected together with electrical tape
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2014-05-28T04:58:25 < upgrdman> led testing:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VddQfKiu41g
2014-05-28T04:59:33 < qyx_> thats another thing that worries me
2014-05-28T04:59:46 < qyx_> they not use proper connectors
2014-05-28T04:59:48 < qyx_> *dont
2014-05-28T05:00:29 < upgrdman> deans are good for pretty much anything using up to 12awg
2014-05-28T05:00:39 < upgrdman> beyond that most people use bullet/banana connectors
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2014-05-28T05:02:26 < gnomad> yeah, but you can't plug a deans connector into a JST!
2014-05-28T05:02:35 < GargantuaSauce> not with that attitude
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2014-05-28T05:33:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CH1Nbzb.jpg NSFL
2014-05-28T05:41:32 < Evidlo> Twilight is an alicorn now, bro.
2014-05-28T05:41:51 < GargantuaSauce> what the shit is an alicorn
2014-05-28T05:42:02 < Evidlo> Unicorn + Pegasus
2014-05-28T05:42:32 < GargantuaSauce> oh
2014-05-28T05:42:39 < GargantuaSauce> wings clipped for sadistic pleasure?
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2014-05-28T06:27:00 < upgrdman_> how's the colon treating you?
2014-05-28T06:30:07 < GargantuaSauce> is this a roundabout way of admitting you're butthurt
2014-05-28T06:30:38 < GargantuaSauce> the two are not mutually exclusive
2014-05-28T06:31:24 < madist> flyback: your twin sister: http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/26mhli/my_insecurity_about_my_butthole_was_ruining_my/
2014-05-28T06:35:45 < upgrdman_> awesome video
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2014-05-28T06:48:05 < dongs> god damn.
2014-05-28T06:48:14 < dongs> where is some working F1 I2C polling code.
2014-05-28T06:48:30 < dongs> shit that doesnt randomly shit itself on tuesdays.
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2014-05-28T06:49:27 < GargantuaSauce> as in, there's a glitch on the line or whatever and a flag never gets set?
2014-05-28T06:49:47 < GargantuaSauce> think you just need add a timeout to all the polls and reset or whatever
2014-05-28T06:51:36 < Evidlo> Write your own
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2014-05-28T06:58:34 < dongs> that w ould mean actual work
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2014-05-28T07:02:51 < englishman> do any other debuggers work with st-link utlity or just stdink
2014-05-28T07:04:18 < Evidlo> englishman: openocd
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2014-05-28T07:05:08 < englishman> openocd works with st-link utility?
2014-05-28T07:05:12 < Evidlo> this details getting a whole setup in linux http://gnuarmeclipse.livius.net/blog/
2014-05-28T07:05:29 < dongs> haha olpenocd.
2014-05-28T07:05:32 < dongs> goooooooooooodluck.
2014-05-28T07:05:57 < dongs> fuck.
2014-05-28T07:06:04 < dongs> i lost my bag of 2x5mm swd debug headers
2014-05-28T07:06:06 < dongs> (again)
2014-05-28T07:06:08 < dongs> and I need them.
2014-05-28T07:07:30 < englishman> does st-link utility run in linux???
2014-05-28T07:07:54 < dongs> i wouldn't call openocd "running"
2014-05-28T07:09:31 < Evidlo> englishman: You mean the software from STM?
2014-05-28T07:09:51 < Evidlo> I don't think so
2014-05-28T07:11:15 < Evidlo> I followed this tutorial and it worked pretty nicely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKX12hJApZM&list=FLKLhzuqby7_W4qO2-ODfD3A&index=2
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2014-05-28T07:41:30 < englishman> wow that's totally not relevant to my question :|
2014-05-28T07:41:37 < englishman> and debugging works fine for me
2014-05-28T07:41:42 < englishman> with jlink, ulink and stlink
2014-05-28T07:41:51 < englishman> i just select the debugger i want and click debug
2014-05-28T07:42:20 < englishman> and as i suspected, st-link utility only works with st-link
2014-05-28T07:50:31 < Evidlo> k
2014-05-28T07:51:37 < Evidlo> looking all smug with your tea and scones
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2014-05-28T07:54:19 < englishman> and debuggers that work
2014-05-28T07:54:27 < englishman> without hours of fiddling
2014-05-28T07:54:32 < englishman> :3
2014-05-28T07:55:00 < dongs> too kawaii for this chat
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2014-05-28T10:19:11 < Guest14460> hi can some one explain me on storing data in EEPROM in stm32l152 series , all the examples i get are EEPROM emulation in flash for stm32f series
2014-05-28T10:19:37 < Guest14460> where can i get some example on it
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2014-05-28T10:29:38 < jpa-> Guest14460: stm32l1 eeprom is trivial
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2014-05-28T10:31:57 < jpa-> Guest14460: https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/led-controller/sw/src/stm32l_eeprom.c
2014-05-28T10:33:30 < jpa-> some volatiles somewhere may be in order
2014-05-28T10:39:36 < Guest14460> jpa: thanks for the sample example, i have gone through stm32l1xx_flash.c file and found some fun def to erase the eeprom and unlock etc , i guess i have to erase and then write it...
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2014-05-28T10:45:26 < jpa-> Guest14460: why?
2014-05-28T10:45:31 < jpa-> no need to erase first
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2014-05-28T12:00:41 < rewolff1> @englishman: https://github.com/texane/stlink runs on Linux. Use it every day.
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2014-05-28T12:40:15 < dongs> sweet
2014-05-28T12:40:20 < dongs> FTDI released FT801
2014-05-28T12:40:21 < dongs> with capsense
2014-05-28T12:40:24 < dongs> tiem to dickstart
2014-05-28T12:40:51 < karlp> rewolff1: it took a while, but it seemed he was really asking what other debug hardware probes worked with the st provided windows stlink utility
2014-05-28T12:47:36 < Laurenceb> FTDI?!
2014-05-28T12:47:37 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-05-28T12:47:58 < dongs> some troll wants me to do UI with it
2014-05-28T12:47:59 < Laurenceb> isnt that a permon00b ic?
2014-05-28T12:48:02 < dongs> for some oproduct hes gonna dickstart
2014-05-28T12:48:04 < Laurenceb> oh
2014-05-28T12:48:19 < dongs> i dont midn as long as hes paying..
2014-05-28T12:48:23 < dongs> ya its permanoob but its nice
2014-05-28T12:48:31 < dongs> easyt to do flashyt stuff
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2014-05-28T13:53:42 < dongs> Laurenceb__: your i2c code shits itself if there's interrupts at simliar preemption level
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2014-05-28T14:10:09 < karlp> so, anyone got any suggestions on a (real) small board mount connector/cable combo for 4 conductors? (multidrop, so 8 conductors, or things that easily allow two wires in each conductor slot)? we use this: http://catalog.phoenixcontact.net/phoenix/assets.do?action=basisdaten&artnr=5430823 mated with http://catalog.phoenixcontact.net/phoenix/assets.do?action=basisdaten&artnr=1840382 at the moment
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2014-05-28T14:22:38 < Laurenceb__> dongs: how does it fail?
2014-05-28T14:23:50 < rewolff1> The "at the moment" connectors are too big?
2014-05-28T14:24:01 < Laurenceb__> stuck stop bit?
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2014-05-28T14:25:45 < karlp> (actually, even just suggestions of vendors whose catalogs I can browse would be nice)
2014-05-28T14:26:59 < Laurenceb__> and yeah i suspect there are some "windows" of time when it doesnt handle things properly if there is a massive delay
2014-05-28T14:27:19 < Laurenceb__> from the F1 errata.. im not actually sure if thats fixable
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2014-05-28T14:32:20 < Laurenceb__> there seem to be some annoying edge cases where you can leave interrupt servicing indefinitly
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2014-05-28T14:42:12 < dongs> Laurenceb__: stuck start or stop yues
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2014-05-28T14:42:25 < Laurenceb__> ah yeah, ive seent hat
2014-05-28T14:42:37 < Laurenceb__> dunno what the fix is...
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2014-05-28T16:11:41 < Laurenceb__> http://www.oemcameras.com/blog/category/board-cameras-2/
2014-05-28T16:14:27 < baird> I bought a tiny flying RC robot. Heaps of fun. :)
2014-05-28T16:14:38 < karlp> which one?
2014-05-28T16:15:44 < baird> 'Something something Robot 2020'.. I've already thrown out the packaging..
2014-05-28T16:16:01 < baird> http://t.co/Uvh5WGkYso
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2014-05-28T16:17:29 < baird> It does the trick like a few others of having adjustable legs, so you can change how much forward drive it has.
2014-05-28T16:18:05 < Steffanx> tweeting baird .. im going to follow you
2014-05-28T16:18:06 < baird> Picked it up from an RC Hobby place at Kotara/Newcastle.
2014-05-28T16:18:15 < Steffanx> followers++
2014-05-28T16:19:04 < baird> lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_nut
2014-05-28T16:20:56 < Steffanx> How can making yoghurt being easier than /buying/ it baird ?
2014-05-28T16:20:58 < baird> My Internet Popularity just increased by 12.5%! woot.
2014-05-28T16:21:46 < baird> Haven't found anywhere selling 'real' non-lolly yogurt in Newcastle yet, so otherwise I'd have to ride down to Sydney to get some.
2014-05-28T16:22:15 < Steffanx> hmm, what's real  non-lolly yoghurt?
2014-05-28T16:22:57 < baird> Now it's just setting the temperature to 90C, plonking the milk bottle in, doing something else for an hour, change the temp to 43C, come back another hour later, spoon some yogurt in, let it run overnight.
2014-05-28T16:23:49 < baird> Stuff that's actually brewed. Doesn't need thickeners.
2014-05-28T16:24:13 < BrainDamage> ""Australian Internet & Linux pioneer." - some people here would say ... innovator :J
2014-05-28T16:24:37 < Steffanx> Inventor :)
2014-05-28T16:24:39 < baird> And if you strain the 'real' yogurt for half a day more, you get cream cheese for like 1/10th the price of what from supermarkets.
2014-05-28T16:25:24 < Steffanx> oh here in dutchland they don't do thickeners.
2014-05-28T16:27:38 < baird> The advantages of a high middle-eastern migrant population. Back in Sydney, I used to go to a Lebanese-owned grocery shop that so 'real' yogurt by the bucket for $5.
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2014-05-28T16:28:14 < baird> When I moved out, I had about 100 plastic buckets to get rid of. :P
2014-05-28T16:29:44 < BrainDamage> project boxes
2014-05-28T16:30:40 < baird> I actually did give about 10 of them to the Newcastle LamerSpace.
2014-05-28T16:31:29 < Steffanx> With the old yoghurt still in it uh?
2014-05-28T16:31:42 < baird> The last time I visited, the Organizing Guy was (1) programming an Arduino, (2) and didn't understand the INPUT and OUTPUT concept! :F
2014-05-28T16:34:03 < Steffanx> Yeah, hackerspaces need more real IRCEE guys.
2014-05-28T16:35:11 < Steffanx> Come back when you're a grown up.
2014-05-28T16:35:56 < Steffanx> or maybe baird has some spare time?
2014-05-28T16:37:10 < BrainDamage> pedobaird always has time for someone who's 5
2014-05-28T16:38:59 < Steffanx> it also talks about the NVIC
2014-05-28T16:54:39 < zyp> dongs, pcb/stencil paid
2014-05-28T16:54:59 < dongs> cool.
2014-05-28T16:55:03 < dongs> your parts shit shipped.
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2014-05-28T17:13:07 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnJXSWfT04M waht
2014-05-28T17:15:15 < Steffanx> random ks bash video?
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2014-05-28T17:55:39 < Laurenceb__> fapfap
2014-05-28T17:56:58 < Laurenceb__> "Magic The Fappening"
2014-05-28T17:57:00 < Laurenceb__> lolz
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2014-05-28T19:35:41 < baird> wtf? I just disassembled an 8kB VIC20 ram expansion cartridge.. and there's *8* 6116 chips inside..?
2014-05-28T19:39:25 < baird> Sure enuff.. Cleaned the PCB up, got it working again, and it works as a 16kB expansion..
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2014-05-28T20:07:49 < dongs> amaze.
2014-05-28T20:09:27 < superbia> inovate.
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2014-05-28T20:41:31 < bvernoux> hi
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2014-05-28T21:51:46 < Steffanx> did mr beaky read the guide yet?
2014-05-28T21:52:30 < Steffanx> good good
2014-05-28T21:58:51 < karlp> I don't suppose anyone's seen anything like this, but with a usb A female socket? (ie, like a phone charger brick, just din rail mounted) http://www.aliexpress.com/item/20W-24V-MINI-Din-Rail-Single-Output-Switching-power-supply/761270723.html
2014-05-28T22:00:43 < Steffanx> no.. never seen it
2014-05-28T22:00:59 < Steffanx> karlp, that link is tracking you:" Welcome back! Now shipping to ICELAND with Buyer Protection guarantees." :P
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2014-05-28T22:02:16 < Steffanx> a hub won't work karlp?
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2014-05-28T22:03:19 < karlp> as long as it's got the mains input directly,
2014-05-28T22:03:29 < karlp> I don't want a hub that also needs it's own power supply :)
2014-05-28T22:05:01 < Steffanx> oh yay, good luck with that :)
2014-05-28T22:10:27 < karlp> probably easier to get a dinrail schuko block and use an existing phone charger :)
2014-05-28T22:10:34 < karlp> was hoping for a nicer compact unit thugh
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2014-05-28T22:12:19 < Lux> how about attaching a usb cable to a 5V din psu ?
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2014-05-28T22:13:58 < Lux> kinda like that: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-USB-female-with-case-200mm-cable-for-DIY-solar-panel-mobile-charging-solar-power-system/832360913.html
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2014-05-28T22:19:48 < Steffanx> hah, me likes Lux :D
2014-05-28T22:20:36 < karlp> yeah, that would work just fine I'd say.
2014-05-28T22:25:28 < Steffanx> karlp uses din rail in his hobby bobby room or .. ?
2014-05-28T22:27:21 < fbs> everything on dinrail
2014-05-28T22:27:23 < fbs> nice & easy
2014-05-28T22:27:36 < Steffanx> Yes, should do that too :)
2014-05-28T22:28:26 < fbs> sup Steffanx
2014-05-28T22:33:04 < Steffanx> Tha sky mr fbs
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2014-05-28T22:35:39 < Steffanx> Alles kits daar?
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2014-05-28T22:38:16 < fbs> tuurlijk
2014-05-28T22:38:21 < fbs> morgen haxpo
2014-05-28T22:38:25 < bvernoux> does anyone have a Parallella board here ?
2014-05-28T22:39:30 < Steffanx> You're going to haxpo fbs ?
2014-05-28T22:39:35 < Steffanx> You should meet effractur there :P
2014-05-28T22:39:55 < fbs> yea with old classmate
2014-05-28T22:40:08 < Steffanx> my sources told me effractur is a volunteer there
2014-05-28T22:40:27 < fbs> ah
2014-05-28T22:40:34 < fbs> dunno who he is tho
2014-05-28T22:40:48 < Steffanx> random internet guy
2014-05-28T22:41:04 < fbs> familiar name tho
2014-05-28T22:41:07 < fbs> was he at ohm2013?
2014-05-28T22:41:17 < Steffanx> i think so
2014-05-28T22:41:37 < fbs> hmm
2014-05-28T22:44:19 < karlp> Steffanx: nah, this is for work
2014-05-28T22:44:46 < karlp> want to make a proto of a "better, faster, smaller, cheaper" than one of our current devices
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2014-05-28T23:34:41 < zyp> bvernoux, I do
2014-05-28T23:35:04 < bvernoux> I have some spare case if you are interested
2014-05-28T23:35:11 < bvernoux> I can send some for free
2014-05-28T23:35:11 < zyp> case?
2014-05-28T23:35:27 < bvernoux> https://github.com/bvernoux/parallella_case
2014-05-28T23:36:08 < bvernoux> as the case i received with my parallella is a bit too big ...
2014-05-28T23:36:17 < zyp> is that a good idea for cooling?
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2014-05-29T00:27:30 < Laurenceb> http://mp3gala.ru/musics/Arma/p11/
2014-05-29T00:27:33 < Laurenceb> hell yeah
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2014-05-29T01:01:39 < bvernoux> zyp: yes it is good idea to add fan on border ;)
2014-05-29T01:01:39 < bvernoux> zyp: also very cheap and good fan here http://www.amazon.com/Evercool-25mm-10mm-5Volt-Fan/dp/B00295C20U/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AFM094RC3JY7S
2014-05-29T01:01:39 < bvernoux> for 6USD ;)
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2014-05-29T02:13:48 < englishman> hm this is weird
2014-05-29T02:13:56 < englishman> if i do uint16_t m=0; no proble
2014-05-29T02:14:10 < englishman> if i do uint16_t m=0, n=480; it compiles but doesn't run
2014-05-29T02:14:11 < englishman> ???
2014-05-29T02:15:07 < englishman> this has to be something silly basic
2014-05-29T02:15:59 < zyp> you're not telling the entire story
2014-05-29T02:16:11 < englishman> stm32f1
2014-05-29T02:16:28 < englishman> i dont even have to use n
2014-05-29T02:16:30 < zyp> you're not telling what m and n represents or how they are used
2014-05-29T02:16:31 < englishman> just declare it
2014-05-29T02:17:03 < zyp> you're also not telling which scope this is declared in
2014-05-29T02:17:47 < englishman> inside main(), just dicking aroudn with some stuff
2014-05-29T02:18:30 < englishman> uint16_t m=0, n; works
2014-05-29T02:18:48 < zyp> can you pastebin the entire file?
2014-05-29T02:19:09 < englishman> then assign value to n right after, no go
2014-05-29T02:19:12 < englishman> hmm
2014-05-29T02:21:57 < englishman> its kinda messy :/
2014-05-29T02:22:38 < gxti> do you want help, or just sympathy?
2014-05-29T02:22:56 < englishman> well this is strange, it has assigned m and n to memory location 0x00000000
2014-05-29T02:23:13 < englishman> other variables are in ram, 0x20000000
2014-05-29T02:23:35 < zyp> how can you tell?
2014-05-29T02:23:40 < englishman> debugger
2014-05-29T02:24:42 < zyp> well, if you are compiling with optimizations they might very well not be in memory at all
2014-05-29T02:24:52 < englishman> -O0...
2014-05-29T02:25:05 < zyp> and otherwise you might have messed up your stack pointer
2014-05-29T02:25:29 < zyp> but with a downward-growing stack, having it put stuff around 0 sounds weird
2014-05-29T02:25:47 < englishman> and m definitely gets used and incremented
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2014-05-29T02:26:47 < zyp> then you're definitely misdiagnosing something, because memory location 0 can't be incremented
2014-05-29T02:27:37 < englishman> hmm so stepping through
2014-05-29T02:27:40 < englishman> as m increments
2014-05-29T02:27:51 < englishman> so does its location?
2014-05-29T02:27:54 < englishman> i think something is up
2014-05-29T02:28:03 < zyp> which debugger is this?
2014-05-29T02:28:04 < englishman> like in this     while(1)
2014-05-29T02:28:05 < englishman>     {
2014-05-29T02:28:05 < englishman>         delay(500);
2014-05-29T02:28:05 < englishman>         m++;
2014-05-29T02:28:09 < englishman> keil's with jlink
2014-05-29T02:28:23 < zyp> ok, you'd better learn how to use the debugger
2014-05-29T02:28:40 < englishman> yes i think that's me
2014-05-29T02:28:43 < zyp> because it sounds to me like you can't tell the difference between contents and address
2014-05-29T02:28:45 < englishman> being retarded
2014-05-29T02:29:28 < englishman> but in the memory window when i add a variable name like framebuffer_char it goes to its address in memory
2014-05-29T02:29:34 < englishman> (used elsewhere)
2014-05-29T02:29:57 < englishman> but yes i think i need to do something else for a while
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2014-05-29T02:34:03 < dongs> sup pros
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2014-05-29T02:40:53 < dongs> is englishman failing to debug
2014-05-29T02:41:07 < dongs> < englishman> uint16_t m=0, n; works
2014-05-29T02:41:15 < dongs> cant work. wrong spacing.
2014-05-29T02:42:55 < zyp> dongs, sent you p&p files
2014-05-29T02:45:57 < dongs> saw
2014-05-29T02:46:02 < dongs> will make use of them
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2014-05-29T04:27:45 < ds2> hmm
2014-05-29T04:27:59 < ds2> i wonder if anyone makes a voltmeter that can average over 1minute or longer
2014-05-29T05:08:33 < dongs> heh
2014-05-29T05:08:39 < dongs> bust out F4discovery board.
2014-05-29T05:08:42 < dongs> and make your own
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2014-05-29T05:35:24 < dekar> ds2, data logging multimeters can probably do that
2014-05-29T05:36:21 < dekar> scopes as well
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2014-05-29T08:36:07 < PaulFertser> dekar: alternatively, many DMMs, even cheap, have a digital port so one can attach it to a PC and log in there.
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2014-05-29T09:12:21 < Alexer-> heeeey, does anyone happen to know anything about CE certification for electronics?
2014-05-29T09:13:12 < Alexer-> I always thought it applied to all electronics, but I just noticed it seems to speaks about 50-1000V AC and 75-1500V DC
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2014-05-29T09:14:20 < Alexer-> so... do you need it for low-voltage stuff or not? (Raspberry PI had to get the certifications, right?)
2014-05-29T09:18:49 < dongs> dingleberrypi
2014-05-29T09:18:59 < dongs> iif you have to ask, you should probably get a lawyer
2014-05-29T09:19:05 < dongs> instead of relying on advice from a bunch of trolls on irc
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2014-05-29T09:21:16 < emeb_mac> CE is mainly European safety std for AC connected devices
2014-05-29T09:21:22 < emeb_mac> similar to UL in the US
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2014-05-29T09:21:51 < Alexer-> well I've assumed I never want to sell anything because I'd have to get a >2000e certification which would require me to sell craploads of it, so I haven't even looked into it that much
2014-05-29T09:22:04 < emeb_mac> requires you to get your design reviewed by their folks, pay a fee and periodically test with a certified tester
2014-05-29T09:22:40 < Alexer-> ugh
2014-05-29T09:22:48 < dongs> dont connect shit to mains
2014-05-29T09:22:49 < dongs> problme solved
2014-05-29T09:22:55 < dongs> USB powered dildo
2014-05-29T09:22:58 < dongs> -> dickstarter
2014-05-29T09:23:19 < Alexer-> well yeah, that's what I was thinking (USB powered, not dildo or kickstarter ;P)
2014-05-29T09:23:45 < Alexer-> but why did raspi have to get certifications, then? it works on 5v too?
2014-05-29T09:25:18 < dongs> because it was designed by a food blogger
2014-05-29T09:25:26 < Alexer-> ;_;
2014-05-29T09:25:39 < dongs> not joking
2014-05-29T09:25:45 < dongs> eben whatever is a fucking food blogger
2014-05-29T09:26:19 < Alexer-> I somehow doubt that has anything to do with it requiring certifications, though ;P
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2014-05-29T14:24:40 < Laurenceb__> https://github.com/warewolf/truecrypt/compare/master...7.2
2014-05-29T14:24:45 < Laurenceb__> lolz line 78
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2014-05-29T15:39:27 < dongs> wat
2014-05-29T15:39:43 < superbia> sup inventor
2014-05-29T15:40:32 < superbia> s/inventor/inventors
2014-05-29T15:43:22 < Laurenceb__> truecript trolld
2014-05-29T15:47:03 < Thorn> AbortProcess ("INSECURE_APP");
2014-05-29T15:48:18 < dongs> Laurenceb__: did you see discussion on your i2c shit
2014-05-29T15:49:00 < dongs> Laurenceb__: https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_i2c.c#L209 when built with -O0, before it had I2C_ReadData() call, it would munge the 2nd read
2014-05-29T15:49:03 < dongs> O1 woroked
2014-05-29T15:49:10 < dongs> direct read from I2C->DR works.
2014-05-29T15:49:26 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-05-29T15:49:45 < dongs> if you rewrite it as read_p[index] = foo; and index++ on next line (for 2nd line) it would work also.
2014-05-29T15:49:52 < dongs> sounds like optimizer (or lack of) failure
2014-05-29T15:49:55 < dongs> fucking gcc, such shit
2014-05-29T15:49:59 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-05-29T15:50:49 < Thorn> maybe something that should be volatile isn't?
2014-05-29T15:50:55 < dongs> it is
2014-05-29T15:51:42 < PaulFertser> Maybe (void)I2Cx->SR2 is not supposed to do anything even when volatile?
2014-05-29T15:51:53 < Laurenceb__> yeah theres not really any point using the periph lib stuff
2014-05-29T15:52:01 < Laurenceb__> as it has to do raw register stuff anyway
2014-05-29T15:52:03 < dongs> PaulFertser: thats not the problem tho
2014-05-29T15:52:14 < dongs> Laurenceb__: right, just extra call overhead.
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2014-05-29T16:01:24 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-05-29T16:01:33 < Laurenceb__> F3 ADC is fast enough for a lidar
2014-05-29T16:01:51 < Laurenceb__> has anyone tried seeing how fast you can go?
2014-05-29T16:02:03 < Laurenceb__> looks to me like the DMA would give up first
2014-05-29T16:02:28 < Laurenceb__> 4 ADCs could get up to ~40Msps otherwise
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2014-05-29T16:03:58 < jpa-> does F3 have buffered/fifo DMA or just the plain old style?
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2014-05-29T16:19:25 < Laurenceb__> What's the difference between an egg and Elliot Rodger?
2014-05-29T16:19:25 < Laurenceb__> An egg gets laid before it cracks.
2014-05-29T16:20:23 < gxti> i don't know who that is but i'm sure it's irrelevant
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2014-05-29T18:20:17 < karlp> ds2: for my own curiosity, what's the application of averaging a voltmeter over more than a minute?
2014-05-29T18:20:31 < ds2> power management analysis
2014-05-29T18:26:39 < karlp> talk to me like I'm even dumber than you originally thought?
2014-05-29T18:27:26 < gxti> karlp: chip go sleepy when bored. need add energy used in short bursts.
2014-05-29T18:28:06 < zyp> gxti, but then you're talking average power/current, not voltage
2014-05-29T18:29:23 < zyp> average voltage sounds like a pretty useless number, min/max over time would be more useful if the idea is to measure how stable it is
2014-05-29T18:29:35 < gxti> fun fact: voltmeters can usually measure things other than volts
2014-05-29T18:31:55 < gxti> anyway fluke 87V averages for at least that long i think, but it turns off autoranging so it can't handle wide dynamic range (like 100mA down to 1uA) and probably samples too slowly to be very useful for what i described
2014-05-29T18:31:57 < zyp> no, that would be multimeters
2014-05-29T18:32:09 < gxti> you're technically correct
2014-05-29T18:32:11 < gxti> but i don't care.
2014-05-29T18:32:54 < Rickta59> olimex makes a power profiling msp430 jtag device. It monitors functions and tells you how much power your functions use
2014-05-29T18:33:05 < Rickta59> I wonder if there is anything like that for the arm chips
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2014-05-29T18:40:57 < karlp> Rickta59: surely that's just software on any jtag device.
2014-05-29T18:42:00 < rewolff1> The problem with those measurements is usually the big dynamic range.
2014-05-29T18:42:37 < rewolff1> You like (the CPU) to be sleeping at less than 0.1uA, while when it wakes it can easily use 10mA. A factor of 100k.
2014-05-29T18:42:56 < rewolff1> So measuring the current with a shunt resistor becomes a problem.
2014-05-29T18:44:09 < rewolff1> If you can measure say 100mV at 100nA (0.1uA),  you'd be using a 1M resistor... Now try to pull the 10mA.....
2014-05-29T18:44:22 < Rickta59> are you talking about that device i talked about rewolff1 ?
2014-05-29T18:44:55 < rewolff1> Measuring powerdraw of battery-powered applications with a CPU that can go into "sleep".
2014-05-29T18:45:03 < rewolff1> Which is what I thought you were talking about.....
2014-05-29T18:45:08 < Rickta59> here are more details about what I'm talking about
2014-05-29T18:45:10 < Rickta59> http://mspdebug.sourceforge.net/power.html
2014-05-29T18:45:11 < Nutter> sounds like a job for Dave Jone's uCurrent!
2014-05-29T18:45:29 < Rickta59> "When a chip is running, the debugger continuously captures current consumption and MAB (program counter) samples, which can be read and analysed."
2014-05-29T18:45:38 < rewolff1> But he's still using the current shunt -> Not good at a big dynamic range.
2014-05-29T18:47:00 < Rickta59> did you find the schematics for the device someplace?
2014-05-29T18:47:35 < rewolff1> I THINK I know how dave jones' uCurrent uses. But haven't looked at it for over a year, so my memory may be failing me.
2014-05-29T18:47:48 < rewolff1> s/uses/works/
2014-05-29T18:47:56 < Rickta59> i'm talking about this: https://www.olimex.com/Products/MSP430/JTAG/MSP430-JTAG-ISO-MK2/
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2014-05-29T18:48:34 < ds2> trying to maximize battery life
2014-05-29T18:49:04 < ds2> so min/max don't matter....the real way to do it is to run the board on a precisely charged battery and measure time to discharge
2014-05-29T18:49:11 < ds2> but that takes time
2014-05-29T18:49:19 < Nutter> rewolff: I know it went through a redesign recently, but I don't think the underlying design changed, just components & stuff around them
2014-05-29T18:50:36 < ds2> think the suggestion to log it might be best
2014-05-29T18:51:00 < rewolff1> @ds2, that's kind of difficult if your expected battery time is say "12 months".
2014-05-29T18:51:31 < zyp> you could test on a smaller battery, or even a capacitor
2014-05-29T18:51:35 < rewolff1> You could of course then try to run off a capacitor (= a much smaller battery), but in both cases, you have problems with self-discharge.
2014-05-29T18:52:33 < ds2> yes it is kind of difficult
2014-05-29T18:52:46 < ds2> esp. if the battery has a non linear discharge characteristic
2014-05-29T18:53:07 < ds2> hence the desire for an averaging/integrating meter
2014-05-29T18:53:36 < zyp> just put a large buffer cap after the measurement point?
2014-05-29T18:54:49 < Nutter> <Alexer-> but why did raspi have to get certifications, then? it works on 5v too? <-- late reply, but they had to get cert's because element14 required it before they'd sell it (just stupid corporate policy)
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2014-05-29T18:57:18 < rewolff1> I think you can generate lots of EMI from a "5V only device". I'd find it reasonable if that sort of thing was "regulated".
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2014-05-29T18:58:04 < RaYmAn> iirc it was due to the amount of preorders that they couldn't really justify it being for evaluation anymore. (which iirc is the case where you can bypass regulation/certification)
2014-05-29T19:05:39 < ds2> looking at 30-40 second periods
2014-05-29T19:05:46 < ds2> caps won't do well
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2014-05-29T20:17:08 < Steffanx> gxti used that?
2014-05-29T20:21:58 < gxti> no but it will work. best done upstream of any linear regulators though so the voltage doesn't sag too much.
2014-05-29T20:22:34 < gxti> still the matter of measuring the voltage though
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2014-05-30T06:58:40 < dongs> bwahahaha
2014-05-30T06:58:44 < dongs> neptune pine cancelled CDMA version
2014-05-30T06:58:46 < dongs> "cancelled"
2014-05-30T06:58:52 < dongs> "Several drastic changes were required; including modifications to the PCB board. Due to our limited resources and personnel, developing a CDMA model for the Pine became impossible for our team."
2014-05-30T06:59:45 < dongs> oh bahaha
2014-05-30T06:59:46 < dongs> "We.re sorry to report that it is not possible to include NFC functionality on the Pine for reasons of size, interference and software complications. Backers who selected the 8GB NFC version will be upgrade to the 16GB [Size: The Pine is too small to include an NFC chip. Interference: NFC can be accomplished through a micro SD storage card but our SD card is on the wrong side of the Pine creating issues with signal interference. "
2014-05-30T06:59:53 < dongs> wow
2014-05-30T06:59:53 < dongs> it just kjeeps getting better and better
2014-05-30T07:00:55 < dongs> Gaining FCC approval has become an unexpected challenge since last December. There are strict guidelines for radio frequency devices. As the first wrist-worn, fully operational smartphone, the Pine didn.t fit into the FCC.s current classifications. At the first sign of trouble last January, Simon flew to Washington DC to meet with an FCC engineer. They discussed the proper way to evaluate the Pine and how to adjust guidelines for wearable tech. We expect to receive fina
2014-05-30T07:01:02 < dongs> hahahaha
2014-05-30T07:01:41 < englishman> pine was the montreal scam right
2014-05-30T07:01:59 < englishman> some 18 year old from brossard
2014-05-30T07:02:04 < dongs> yes
2014-05-30T07:02:21 < dongs> who thought it was cool idea to rebrand some chinese landfill asddroid shit
2014-05-30T07:02:23 < dongs> and put it on a wrist
2014-05-30T07:02:37 < englishman> someone who wanted a million dollars overnight
2014-05-30T07:02:38 < englishman> thats who
2014-05-30T07:05:08 < dongs> well he got it
2014-05-30T07:12:27 < dongs> http://www.betakit.com/the-vanhawks-valour-smartbike-blows-by-kickstarter-target-passes-200k/
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2014-05-30T07:21:12 < dongs> sounds like a $50 thing  to snap to handlebars to achieve same thing, no??????
2014-05-30T07:43:46 < gnomad> over 750k now
2014-05-30T07:55:50 < dongs> stupid hipsters are stupid
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2014-05-30T08:02:49 < gnomad> i wonder how many sold wer fixies
2014-05-30T08:02:59 < dongs> wasnt there a limit of liek 50?
2014-05-30T08:03:11 < dongs> well they're all single gear, no?
2014-05-30T08:03:25 < gnomad> nah, you can get a freewheel or a CVT
2014-05-30T08:03:32 < dongs> o ic
2014-05-30T08:03:35 < dongs> i didnt s croll that much
2014-05-30T08:03:40 < dongs> i saw 50 fixies early bird shit
2014-05-30T08:03:41 < dongs> that were all gone.
2014-05-30T08:03:53 < gnomad> prolly 50 at a cheaper price
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2014-05-30T08:45:49 < akaWolf>           They discussed the proper way to evaluate the Pine and how to adjust guidelines for wearable tech. We expect to receive fina                                                               forrestv
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2014-05-30T08:52:34 < dongs> akaWolf: wat
2014-05-30T08:54:30 < dongs> neptuneguys are basically walking back literally every difference from an off the shelf chinese thing
2014-05-30T09:09:53 < akaWolf> dongs: nothing )
2014-05-30T09:09:59 < dongs> What is a pepole ?
2014-05-30T09:10:00 < dongs> Is it a stick you piss on?
2014-05-30T09:12:22 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/impervious/impervious-invisible-waterproofing-spray-for-the-i?ref=category
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2014-05-30T09:13:00 < dongs> found upgdman project https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/impervious/impervious-invisible-waterproofing-spray-for-the-i?ref=category
2014-05-30T09:13:03 < dongs> err
2014-05-30T09:13:04 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1607857757/lilbot-the-little-robot-that-could?ref=category
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2014-05-30T09:40:38 < dongs> yes?
2014-05-30T09:41:57 < dongs> loooks useless and overpriced
2014-05-30T09:42:07 < dongs> I got same shit 16x2 for like $1/ea or osmeshit
2014-05-30T09:42:10 < dongs> with backlight and shit
2014-05-30T09:45:09 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/388724454/7-42vdc-to-usb-supply-charger?ref=category
2014-05-30T09:45:12 < dongs> ugh
2014-05-30T09:45:15 < dongs> useless.
2014-05-30T09:45:21 < dongs> but reminds me i need to buy a 5V PSU.
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2014-05-30T12:26:29 < englishman> hay dongs howcome your layouts dont use SWO, seems there are some cool features
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2014-05-30T12:49:30 < dongs> usually because I'm using that pin for something else.
2014-05-30T12:49:36 < dongs> I have done SWO on work boards where I needed it.
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2014-05-30T13:11:52 < Tectu_> the STM32F429i-Discovery does not happen to have an RGB LED on it, right?
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2014-05-30T13:27:46 < dongs> Tectu_: you could use the LCD as a giant RGB led
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2014-05-30T13:32:13 < zyp> hah
2014-05-30T13:33:45 < Tectu_> too bad if that's the thing I want to interface to control the RGB led ;-)
2014-05-30T13:34:02 < Tectu_> but already did that anyway
2014-05-30T13:34:03 < Tectu_> http://ugfx.org/gwin/frame
2014-05-30T13:40:23 < baird> I dropped a whole pizza top-down on the floor. Fuuuuuck mmmyyyy llliiffeee.
2014-05-30T13:40:54 < Tectu_> and why exactly did you do that?
2014-05-30T13:42:15 < zyp> sometimes that's just what you have to do
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2014-05-30T15:13:12 < dongs> < baird> I dropped a whole pizza top-down on the floor. Fuuuuuck mmmyyyy llliiffeee.
2014-05-30T15:13:18 < dongs> not a problem, your floor is clean, right.
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2014-05-30T15:44:04 < dongs> how bloated miniob
2014-05-30T15:44:08 < dongs> er minipb
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2014-05-30T15:53:07 < baird> It certainly is now, that 90 minutes were wasted wasting the olive-oil out of the carpet.
2014-05-30T15:57:32 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/629368402/analogue-instrumentation-loop-amplifier?ref=category
2014-05-30T16:05:09 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hypershop/isticktm-usb-flash-drive-with-lightning-for-iphone?ref=category
2014-05-30T16:05:13 < dongs> Why can't you just add a Micro SD slot into the iStick?
2014-05-30T16:05:13 < dongs> Unfortunately the Apple MFi program does not allow usage of removable memory.
2014-05-30T16:05:14 < dongs> lol.
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2014-05-30T16:36:18 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/Jb6jW
2014-05-30T16:37:41 < Steffanx> pretty nice imho dongs.
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2014-05-30T16:49:07 < zyp> dongs, how's foxconning?
2014-05-30T16:51:01 < dongs> hm, fuck. where are your parts
2014-05-30T16:52:19 < dongs> ...
2014-05-30T16:53:29 < dongs> oh, maybe arrives tomrow
2014-05-30T16:53:41 < dongs> but i didnt specicifally arrange saturday delivery because I'm a cock
2014-05-30T16:53:51 < dongs> lets hjoep they do it anyway.
2014-05-30T16:54:05 < zyp> ok
2014-05-30T16:54:47 < zyp> guy called me today asking for the boards, I told him only assembly were left so they should be done next week
2014-05-30T16:55:29 < dongs> yes.
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2014-05-30T17:20:22 < Laurenceb_> nice
2014-05-30T17:20:40 < Laurenceb_> apart from the huge resolutino photos
2014-05-30T17:21:06 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2014-05-30T17:21:18 < Laurenceb_> raw 15M pixel or something
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2014-05-30T17:45:22 < dongs> wat
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2014-05-31T01:03:34 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs
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2014-05-31T05:21:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/OLLKsPn.gif
2014-05-31T05:27:15 < gnomad> sadly i know this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHwu-H_KtfU
2014-05-31T05:35:34 < dongs> lawl
2014-05-31T05:38:54 < dongs> zyp[, parts arrived
2014-05-31T05:40:46 < zyp> nice
2014-05-31T05:42:21 < dongs> will do it over weekend.
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2014-05-31T06:11:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7hObaKj.png
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2014-05-31T06:25:24 < gnomad> so does that mean she does boys or girls?
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2014-05-31T06:37:05 < zyp> hmm, looks like boards going to korea got stuck in export customs on the way out of norway
2014-05-31T06:37:10 < dongs> uh oh
2014-05-31T06:37:12 < dongs> dumbfucks.
2014-05-31T06:37:33 < zyp> been sitting there for over a week, and they haven't sent me a letter about it or anything, so I don't know what's going on
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2014-05-31T06:38:38 < zyp> I suspect it's because I crossed the «export reason: for repair/return» box, since that's what it is
2014-05-31T06:39:21 < zyp> either that or they're just plain dumb
2014-05-31T06:41:31 < GargantuaSauce> you failed to apply standard bribing procedures
2014-05-31T06:41:41 < zyp> might be
2014-05-31T06:42:16 < zyp> I think export for repair/return entitles me to have my import tax back, so I suspect that's what they're throwing a fuss about
2014-05-31T06:45:24 < GargantuaSauce> [X] Gift
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2014-05-31T07:09:35 < gxti> no commercial value
2014-05-31T07:13:41 < zyp> yeah, I'm probably just going to write some bullshit next time if all reporting correctly does is making them fuck up
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2014-05-31T09:02:58 < jpa-> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/590444/files/20140519155505-vocore.v1.0.top.png?1400540105   lol, dedicated PORN pin
2014-05-31T09:21:48 < dongs> ya
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2014-05-31T09:46:12 < emeb_mac> that'd be a lot cooler if it weren't a friggin' MIPS
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2014-05-31T11:33:25 < rewolff> What! VOCORE is mips? Damn!
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2014-05-31T12:23:54 < dongs> much trash
2014-05-31T12:24:10 < dongs> so stoned
2014-05-31T12:24:52 < dongs> zyp, your trash is programmed into dicknplace
2014-05-31T12:25:08 < dongs> i could either get laid or assemle your shit, tough decision
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2014-05-31T15:39:58 < dongs> heh 5 out of 60 jewpad panels are trash
2014-05-31T15:40:03 < dongs> nice quality control, china
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2014-05-31T15:56:18 < baird_> $5 says the brony actually used this as a real resume: http://i.4cdn.org/g/1401528709744.jpg
2014-05-31T15:56:37 < dongs> mega old
2014-05-31T15:56:40 < dongs> saw this like a year ago
2014-05-31T15:56:59 < baird_> Excuse me, I was living on dert a year ago.
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2014-05-31T15:57:43 < dongs> true
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2014-05-31T22:55:05 < karlp> rewolff: emeb why do yo ucare if vocore is mips?
2014-05-31T22:56:26 < karlp> https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2014-May/025712.html for other options (at least)
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2014-05-31T22:57:57 < emeb> karlp: I've used some MIPS machines - not impressed with the architecture. Very poor memory/function ratio compared to others.
2014-05-31T22:58:41 < karlp> might matter if you're writing raw metal,
2014-05-31T22:58:59 < karlp> but those just run linux out of the box, so mips vs x vs y shouldn't matter
2014-05-31T22:59:15 < karlp> (and I really don't think anyone's suggesting you write raw metal apps for them)
2014-05-31T23:00:17 < karlp> only thing the vo-core and the asiarf new versions have going is, "look, we made a cube that's really small"
2014-05-31T23:01:14 < karlp> carambola2, the earlier asiarf modules, gs-oolite and e-link m150 are all similar, choice is really, do you want ralink 53xx or ar933x
2014-05-31T23:02:09 < emeb> karlp: all well and good. but poor instruction efficiency also means that it takes more cycles to achieve a given function
2014-05-31T23:02:27 < emeb> so more MIPS doesn't necessarily mean more compute power...
2014-05-31T23:02:47 < karlp> that's why you buy the ar9331, or the ra53xx instead of the even cheaper ar231x or ra32xx :)
2014-05-31T23:03:28  * karlp shrugs, I get what you're saying, I just feel it's an academic argument :)
2014-05-31T23:04:40 < karlp> (I've got no intention of buying any mips microActiv stuff for instance)
2014-05-31T23:05:03 < emeb> karlp: yeah - it's certainly not a big deal to me.
2014-05-31T23:05:09 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2014-05-31T23:05:21 < emeb> I wouldn't avoid a piece of networking gear because it had MIPS
2014-05-31T23:05:21 < Laurenceb_> MIPS benchmark for pic32 beats stm32f4
2014-05-31T23:05:33 < Laurenceb_> but its actually slower?
2014-05-31T23:05:37 < emeb> but I would not go out of my way to design MIPS into a personal project
2014-05-31T23:06:11 < karlp> well yeah, but when you're looking at modules like these, the choice is mips or broadcom
2014-05-31T23:06:20 < karlp> and broadcom is often mips anyway
2014-05-31T23:06:35 < karlp> but broadcom will mean, "wireless will maybe sorta probably hopefulyl work"
2014-05-31T23:06:40 < karlp> but ralink/atheros will be fine
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2014-05-31T23:07:06 < karlp> I don't think I've even senn arm modules like those, at least nowhere near the price
2014-05-31T23:07:37 < karlp> (actually, arm modules tend to be better, 1gigram/4gig flash, but have wifi as separate module)
2014-05-31T23:11:54 < Laurenceb_> http://drop-kicker.com/2014/01/the-ark-wireless-portable-charger/#more-1182
2014-05-31T23:11:56 < Laurenceb_> lol the photo
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2014-05-31T23:19:37 < Laurenceb_> http://drop-kicker.com/2013/12/angel-demonstrates-working-inertial-measurement-unit/#more-763
2014-05-31T23:19:41 < Laurenceb_> hahaha the comments
2014-05-31T23:19:46 < Laurenceb_> i wonder who timmy is
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2014-05-31T23:23:31 < gxti> isn't that dongs' youtube avatar?
2014-05-31T23:24:32 < effractur> win 123
2014-05-31T23:26:04 < gxti> it is actually exactly his avatar https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHq-5fr8fGEsntnNDdJ_ohQ
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