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2014-06-01T01:42:40 < dongs> zyp
2014-06-01T01:42:45 < zyp> hi
2014-06-01T01:42:49 < dongs> got pix
2014-06-01T01:42:52 < dongs> to make sure its ok
2014-06-01T01:42:57 < dongs> then will push enter on the rest of the batch
2014-06-01T01:43:16 < zyp> who? me?
2014-06-01T01:43:28 < dongs> yes, for you. sec
2014-06-01T01:43:34 < dongs> shitty fucking imgur
2014-06-01T01:43:37 < zyp> ah, right
2014-06-01T01:43:41 < dongs> share to not working, such crap
2014-06-01T01:44:50 < dongs> see /notice
2014-06-01T01:45:26 < dongs> self-alignment on smt 2.54 loosk ok
2014-06-01T01:46:29 < dongs> theres no paste in throgh-holes either. they did shrink it a bit for pad.
2014-06-01T01:46:36 < zyp> looks nice
2014-06-01T01:46:41 < dongs> ok, so this is fine?
2014-06-01T01:46:50 < dongs> orientation/values/etc.
2014-06-01T01:47:25 < zyp> I can't make out what the two resistors closest to the ic says
2014-06-01T01:47:33 < dongs> 35X
2014-06-01T01:47:35 < dongs> thats 75R
2014-06-01T01:47:40 < zyp> right
2014-06-01T01:47:49 < zyp> how does that scheme even work?
2014-06-01T01:48:00 < dongs> the X? its 1%markings
2014-06-01T01:48:01 < zyp> and yes, that is fine
2014-06-01T01:48:12 < dongs> like 01A = 100R 01B = 10K etc
2014-06-01T01:48:34 < dongs> http://www.marsport.org.uk/smd/res.htm
2014-06-01T01:49:17 < dongs> oh its 85
2014-06-01T01:49:19 < dongs> 85%
2014-06-01T01:49:22 < dongs> 750 * 0.1 multipler
2014-06-01T01:49:26 < dongs> er 85X
2014-06-01T01:50:05 < zyp> ah
2014-06-01T01:50:25 < zyp> that explains why the 1k5 on the arcin says 18B
2014-06-01T01:50:37 < dongs> right
2014-06-01T01:50:58 < dongs> tom the amazing flux remover thought digikey sent him wrong values
2014-06-01T01:51:01 < dongs> after looking at that
2014-06-01T01:51:06 < dongs> cuz hes too pro
2014-06-01T01:51:22 < dongs> er tom66
2014-06-01T01:51:35 < dongs> man this is going t o be a HEAVY box.
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2014-06-01T01:54:09 < dongs> k doing the rest.
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2014-06-01T02:32:32 < dongs> fuck. my oven is way to oslow
2014-06-01T02:32:42 < dongs> for this
2014-06-01T02:32:50 < dongs> it only takes like 10 seconds per board to assemble
2014-06-01T02:38:11 < zyp> haha
2014-06-01T02:38:50 < zyp> I'll try to put more parts on the board next time I'm assembling something :p
2014-06-01T02:38:58 < zyp> designing*
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2014-06-01T03:00:13 < dongs> 20 panels left but its backed up by tyhe oven...
2014-06-01T03:00:21 < dongs> laem
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2014-06-01T03:16:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/xOaiJhP.jpg
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2014-06-01T03:29:03 < dongs> i think im gonna do the other 2 tomrorw
2014-06-01T03:29:04 < dongs> er 20
2014-06-01T03:29:05 < dongs> fuck this
2014-06-01T03:29:11 < dongs> its gonna tkae al l day just swapping boards into oven
2014-06-01T03:29:43 < zyp> oven wouldn't use any less time even if assembly took longer :p
2014-06-01T03:29:50 < dongs> right
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2014-06-01T03:31:12 < dongs> i could be hand-placing shit and STILL waiting for the oven.
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2014-06-01T05:04:31 < dongs> zyp, all your shit is done, just waiting for oven
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2014-06-01T05:18:59 < dongs> 6 panels left to oven
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2014-06-01T06:48:28 < karlp> such election, much racisism, such fuck. such such, such. urgh. such
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2014-06-01T08:58:11 < dongs> l;ooks liek zyp is gonna get openvizsla soon
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2014-06-01T09:14:16 < superbia> so hard to make a website in 2014
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2014-06-01T20:36:14 < PaulFertser> In case anyone has experienced problems using OpenOCD with stlink with questionable quality/unstable connections between the target and debugger, please try current HEAD, it got a fix in this area.
2014-06-01T20:45:11 < PaulFertser> (or if somebody was power-cycling the target without restarting openocd process)
2014-06-01T20:50:05 < baird> Would a symptom of that be an F4Disco not flashing uploaded code? .. I just hit that now.
2014-06-01T20:52:21 < baird> Hmm, st-flash still werks. Silly gdb problem, it's looking.
2014-06-01T20:55:16 < PaulFertser> baird: if you're flashing the target on the disco itself, it's unlikely. Can you please spare more details about the issue you observe? "load" in gdb should be more reliable now since 0.8.0 as it does "reset init" by default before trying flashing.
2014-06-01T20:58:02 < baird> Part of the problem is actually trying to get details out of the tools of why it's not working.. :/
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2014-06-01T21:08:02 < PaulFertser> baird: openocd -d3 should be enough
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2014-06-02T02:28:07 < dongs> http://www.araneus.fi/audsl/
2014-06-02T02:28:08 < dongs> amaze
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2014-06-02T02:37:41 < dongs> wonder if that'll run on STM32
2014-06-02T02:39:03 < zyp> heh
2014-06-02T02:41:21 < Laurenceb_> pulse amplitude modulation
2014-06-02T02:41:23 < Laurenceb_> wtf
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2014-06-02T03:00:44 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs
2014-06-02T03:00:53 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2014/05/31/poor-mans-3d-printer-looks-rough-prints-great/
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2014-06-02T05:18:03 < zyp> dongs, when you're sending the stuff, can you send it to my work addr? do you already have that?
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2014-06-02T05:38:20 < dongs> no i dont
2014-06-02T05:38:21 < dongs> please email
2014-06-02T05:38:22 < dongs> its al lready
2014-06-02T05:38:29 < dongs> reply to the same thread as usaul
2014-06-02T05:38:31 < dongs> need phone# also
2014-06-02T05:38:46 < dongs> zyp, and im including all y our other trash right?
2014-06-02T05:38:53 < dongs> FPGA + stencil + breakout booard
2014-06-02T05:39:25 < zyp> yeah, and I'm interested in a couple of those f3 boards as well
2014-06-02T05:39:32 < dongs> oh right
2014-06-02T05:39:36 < dongs> ok lemme add that to the pile
2014-06-02T05:40:23 < dongs> fpgas are in a cut tray vacuum packed
2014-06-02T05:40:24 < dongs> pretty pro shit
2014-06-02T05:40:40 < zyp> ok, sent
2014-06-02T05:40:43 < dongs> received
2014-06-02T05:40:47 < dongs> kk, will get this packed and sent
2014-06-02T05:40:59 < dongs> those smt pinheaders are awesome for elevating boards in reflow oven
2014-06-02T05:41:04 < dongs> im gonna keep the rest for that purpose
2014-06-02T05:41:19 < zyp> heh
2014-06-02T05:41:49 < zyp> hmm, rest of the weird connectors, are you sending them as well?
2014-06-02T05:42:06 < dongs> you mean the remaining 900 or wahtever?
2014-06-02T05:42:10 < zyp> yeah
2014-06-02T05:42:10 < dongs> well, yues lol
2014-06-02T05:42:21 < dongs> they're in fucking tubes tho
2014-06-02T05:42:24 < dongs> like 1 meter long
2014-06-02T05:42:26 < dongs> retarded shit
2014-06-02T05:42:30 < zyp> oh
2014-06-02T05:42:37 < dongs> i could pull them out and bulk them in a bag
2014-06-02T05:42:43 < dongs> but iduno how good thats gonna be
2014-06-02T05:42:54 < zyp> that sounds dumb for later use, no?
2014-06-02T05:42:59 < dongs> right...
2014-06-02T05:43:05 < dongs> or just get a huge box :)
2014-06-02T05:44:23 < zyp> I'm not sure when the rest will be used, if ever, otherwise I might have asked if you could store them until next time
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2014-06-02T05:47:41 < dongs> well, i certainly could, or i could send them separately
2014-06-02T05:47:50 < dongs> since its going to make really annoying shipping boards + them together
2014-06-02T05:47:56 < dongs> since its kinda nonproportional
2014-06-02T05:49:15 < zyp> ok, then you can store them away somewhere for now, and then you can let me know if they get in the way later
2014-06-02T05:49:46 < dongs> OK.
2014-06-02T05:50:03 < dongs> gonna get wifecop to start wrapping this stack of shit
2014-06-02T05:51:58 < dongs> 43 panels
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2014-06-02T09:16:14 < dongs> Simon--: what the hell is your ircd, plz msg me
2014-06-02T09:16:29 < dongs> fucking lunix god damn 2014 and ctrl+s in terminal permanently stones it
2014-06-02T09:17:05 < jpa-> how permanent is it when ctrl+q unfreezes?
2014-06-02T09:17:37 < dongs> yeah, except it doesnt
2014-06-02T09:17:42 < dongs> neither does ctrl+a+q etc.
2014-06-02T09:17:45 < dongs> i know all the shit to undo it
2014-06-02T09:17:47 < dongs> except it doesnt work
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2014-06-02T09:24:43 < PaulFertser> stty -ixon
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2014-06-02T09:28:17 < dongs> if you receive a local bank wire (like inside country), how easy would you expect it to be to refund it
2014-06-02T09:28:26 < dongs> or at least to have enough info to refund it.
2014-06-02T09:29:14 < zyp> who are you asking?
2014-06-02T09:29:35 < dongs> anyone.
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2014-06-02T09:29:50 < dongs> i just cant fucking deal with  this moronic jap shit
2014-06-02T09:30:03 < dongs> some dude paid, I have absolutely no way to find out who it is.
2014-06-02T09:30:13 < zyp> I don't know how shit works in other countries, but in norway you get a statement with sender's account number and everything, so you just transfer back to that
2014-06-02T09:30:20 < dongs> yeah........
2014-06-02T09:30:26 < dongs> all you get in japan is name in kana.
2014-06-02T09:30:27 < dongs> THE END.
2014-06-02T09:32:21 < dongs> i cant imagine someoen working at a huge japco that has to deal wiht like hundreds of orders a day
2014-06-02T09:32:25 < jpa-> in finland you also get just the name usually
2014-06-02T09:32:38 < dongs> matching up this kana trash with random noise has to be a fullfucking time job
2014-06-02T09:32:41 < jpa-> though maybe business accounts get more
2014-06-02T09:32:59 < dongs> jpa, so how do you return it
2014-06-02T09:33:05 < dongs> call up the bank?
2014-06-02T09:33:10 < zyp> jpa-, huh, really?
2014-06-02T09:33:33 < jpa-> or call up the person and ask for account number; but this is only what i know from my private bank account, business accounts might very well be different
2014-06-02T09:33:35 < englishman> banks probably try to send money thru fax
2014-06-02T09:33:42 < englishman> retarded
2014-06-02T09:33:55 < englishman> after trying to send a bank wire i understand why paypal is worth billions
2014-06-02T09:33:56 < jpa-> zyp: IIRC yes..
2014-06-02T09:34:12 < dongs> < jpa-> or call up the person < how would you know how to call them
2014-06-02T09:34:16 < dongs> if all you got was their name.
2014-06-02T09:34:34 < dongs> some fuck paid me and I have no record of him actually ordering anything :)
2014-06-02T09:34:36 < jpa-> probably by having a separate database of clients
2014-06-02T09:35:13 < jpa-> lol, here you need to ask the money back yourself if you accidentally pay to wrong account, otherwise they just file it under "random income" :D
2014-06-02T09:35:14 < dongs> nor can I look anything up
2014-06-02T09:35:22 < dongs> since its kana
2014-06-02T09:35:27 < dongs> and same reading can turn into 234908237 different versiosn
2014-06-02T09:36:20 < Simon--> what is my ircd? it's crap I wrote in 1996
2014-06-02T09:36:28 < dongs> address
2014-06-02T09:36:31 < dongs> so i can connect oit.
2014-06-02T09:36:33 < Simon--> oh
2014-06-02T09:36:35 < dongs> cuz
2014-06-02T09:36:38 < dongs> this fucking seesion shitted itself
2014-06-02T09:36:56 < Simon--> blue.netnation.com or 0x.ca or whatever
2014-06-02T09:37:22 < dongs> thanks
2014-06-02T09:37:25 < Simon--> xon, xoff!
2014-06-02T09:38:44 < Simon--> I probably did screw up something to do with the send-queue stuff, though. I looked at the code and it was pretty scary :)
2014-06-02T09:42:59 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/Q8Z8r.png <- this is the kind of shit I get when I receive money
2014-06-02T09:43:40 < zyp> full name/addr and account numbers for both sender and recepient
2014-06-02T09:44:00 < jpa-> hmm, maybe there is a way to dig more info from my webbank also.. never really had to
2014-06-02T09:45:25 < zyp> ah, and the «payment is for»-field at the bottom
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2014-06-02T10:38:51 < dongs> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/7-die-retrieve-75-cents-article-1.1813240 lol
2014-06-02T10:39:10 < dongs> zyp: yeah thats what I get for international wire
2014-06-02T10:39:18 < dongs> but for inside-japan trash it shows fucking nothing
2014-06-02T10:41:53 < dongs> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/teen-fined-fondling-teacher-breasts-article-1.1813204 is this a typical swedish activity
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2014-06-02T14:17:00 < dongs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC83kY3rywE laughing out loud
2014-06-02T14:17:10 < dongs> atttn Laurenceb__ etc
2014-06-02T14:22:17 < Laurenceb__> muh game
2014-06-02T14:26:08 < dongs> heh
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2014-06-02T14:35:18 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/S0qIUvL.jpg
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2014-06-02T15:43:27 < Laurenceb__> http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/06/01/2147200/study-finds-porn-exposure-associated-with-smaller-brain-region
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2014-06-02T16:46:13 < aadamson> Laurenceb__, ping PM
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2014-06-02T16:58:59 < baird> Makes more room in the brain.
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2014-06-02T16:59:41 < edmont> hi
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2014-06-02T17:01:31 < edmont> i'm trying to drive SPI1 as slave on a STM32L152 with an AVR micro
2014-06-02T17:02:06 < edmont> i configured it with DMA management and same CPOL and CPHA as the master
2014-06-02T17:02:16 < edmont> but get no response
2014-06-02T17:02:44 < edmont> i can see SCK and MOSI in oscilloscope, but MISO is flat
2014-06-02T17:03:31 < edmont> 	/*-------------------------- SPI1 configuration ---------------------------*/
2014-06-02T17:03:31 < edmont> 	// 8-bit, CPOL=0, CPHA=0, LSBFIRST=0, SSM=0, SSOE=0, MSTR=0
2014-06-02T17:03:31 < edmont> 	SPI1->CR1 &= ~(SPI_CR1_CPOL | SPI_CR1_CPHA | SPI_CR1_LSBFIRST | SPI_CR1_SSM |
2014-06-02T17:03:31 < edmont> 								 SPI_CR1_MSTR);
2014-06-02T17:03:31 < edmont> 	// Activate DMA for reception and transmission
2014-06-02T17:03:32 < edmont> 	SPI1->CR2 |= SPI_CR2_RXDMAEN | SPI_CR2_TXDMAEN;
2014-06-02T17:03:32 < edmont> 	// Enable SPI
2014-06-02T17:03:33 < edmont> 	SPI1->CR1 |= SPI_CR1_SPE;
2014-06-02T17:03:33 < edmont> 	/*-------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
2014-06-02T17:04:15 < karlp> SPI_CR1_MSTR?
2014-06-02T17:04:25 < edmont> =0
2014-06-02T17:04:28 < edmont> :)
2014-06-02T17:04:55 < edmont> notice the &= ~(
2014-06-02T17:05:59 < edmont> i'm debug mode i never see the TXE or RXNE flags activated
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2014-06-02T17:33:13 < edmont> this is what i got: http://s8.postimg.org/pwgdepigl/spi.png
2014-06-02T17:33:33 < edmont> SCK, MISO, MOSI and NSS
2014-06-02T17:34:30 < zyp> edmont, why are you modifying CR1/CR2 rather than just overwriting it?
2014-06-02T17:35:11 < edmont> zyp: there are some other part of the program that uses an external SPI flash
2014-06-02T17:35:19 < edmont> but not using it by now
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2014-06-02T17:35:31 < edmont> not even soldered to the board
2014-06-02T17:35:52 < zyp> well, it's hard to see what your problem might be when we don't know the previous contents of those registers
2014-06-02T17:36:16 < edmont> i can see them in debug mode
2014-06-02T17:36:58 < edmont> CR1 = 0x40
2014-06-02T17:37:05 < edmont> CR2= 0x03
2014-06-02T17:37:13 < edmont> that's all
2014-06-02T17:37:33 < zyp> that's before setting SPE?
2014-06-02T17:37:42 < perole> this is probably a faq..  is eclipse+gcc the way to go?
2014-06-02T17:37:57 < zyp> perole, that's up to you
2014-06-02T17:38:23 < perole> it's like a zillion options out there, and some are bound to be not so good choices..
2014-06-02T17:39:01 < zyp> everyone is different, personally I prefer vim and plain commandline gcc
2014-06-02T17:39:19 < perole> got my two discovery boards f3/f4 yesterday, not a big fan of tool-soup
2014-06-02T17:39:22 < zyp> but then I have a dislike for IDEs in general
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2014-06-02T17:39:47 < edmont> zyp: thats after setting it
2014-06-02T17:39:49 < perole> I used microchip mplab before and it's terrible, but for work I do some java work in eclipse and find it to be ok
2014-06-02T17:39:50 < edmont> i'm using keil
2014-06-02T17:40:02 < zyp> ah, of course
2014-06-02T17:40:15 < perole> keil is crippled somehow unless you pay big bucks, no?
2014-06-02T17:40:33 < zyp> limited flash size
2014-06-02T17:41:26 < edmont> 32k, that's a lot
2014-06-02T17:41:28 < perole> is stuff open enough so that projects devloped with keil can be compiled with gcc?
2014-06-02T17:41:34 < zyp> edmont, shouldn't be anything wrong with that, do you have the GPIOs set up correctly?
2014-06-02T17:41:56 < jpa-> perole: usually linker scripts need some tuning, and also libc's have some differences
2014-06-02T17:42:24 < perole> ok, I guess i need something that supports the usb/hid libraries from st then
2014-06-02T17:42:29 < edmont> zyp: // Port E: 7,8,9,10 analog (ADC), 14 output (SPI_MISO)
2014-06-02T17:42:29 < edmont>   GPIOE->MODER |=  GPIO_MODER_MODER7 | GPIO_MODER_MODER8 | GPIO_MODER_MODER9 |
2014-06-02T17:42:29 < edmont> 									 GPIO_MODER_MODER10 | GPIO_MODER_MODER14_0;
2014-06-02T17:42:48 < zyp> wtf
2014-06-02T17:43:09 < edmont> sck, mosi and nss are inputs (default)
2014-06-02T17:43:19 < zyp> ok, that's your problem
2014-06-02T17:43:20 < edmont> miso is output
2014-06-02T17:43:32 < edmont> omg
2014-06-02T17:43:37 < zyp> all four pins should be set to AF mode and the appropriate AF
2014-06-02T17:43:58 < edmont> of course
2014-06-02T17:44:31 < Alexer-> heh, many people wrestling with SPI DMA on STM32 today, I saw a question related to that on stackoverflow earlier :P
2014-06-02T17:44:57 < zyp> and those GPIO_MODER defines looks utterly worthless
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2014-06-02T17:45:09 < jpa-> they are fine for obfuscation
2014-06-02T17:45:12 < edmont> thx zyp, going to change it right now
2014-06-02T17:45:30 < jpa-> i can imagine a code where each integer literal is made into a huge | | | expression
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2014-06-02T17:46:16 < zyp> yeah, lets write INTEGER_BIT_3 | INTEGER_BIT_1 every time we want to write 10
2014-06-02T17:46:29 < edmont> i had it written like 0x00000456 before, but i see it more difficult to follow
2014-06-02T17:47:07 < jpa-> both are bad, 0x000.. is better
2014-06-02T17:47:30 < zyp> I prefer GPIOE[14].set_mode(Pin::AF); myself
2014-06-02T17:48:08 < edmont> that's one line for each pin
2014-06-02T17:48:18 < jpa-> lines don't cost much
2014-06-02T17:48:39 < zyp> GPIOE.range(7, 10).set_mode(Pin::Analog);
2014-06-02T17:49:04 < edmont> :)
2014-06-02T17:49:24 < perole> stm32cube code any good?
2014-06-02T17:51:18 < jpa-> nuttx' style   stm32_configgpio(GPIO_SPI1_MISO_1);   is not bad either, though requires more #defines
2014-06-02T17:57:24 < zyp> jpa-, how do you tell which pin that is?
2014-06-02T17:57:54 < jpa-> yeah, that is a bit of problem in the naming, i would myself prefer the name to include that also
2014-06-02T17:58:06 < jpa-> but it comes from defines like   https://github.com/PX4/NuttX/blob/master/nuttx/arch/arm/src/stm32/chip/stm32l15xxx_pinmap.h
2014-06-02T17:59:00 < jpa-> usually i have a file for the board with like    /* Interface to sensor ABCD, GPIOA 5-7 */ #define ABCD_MISO GPIO_SPI_MISO_1
2014-06-02T18:00:46 < zyp> that looks a bit like a weird convention
2014-06-02T18:00:56 < zyp> at least that's my first impression of it :)
2014-06-02T18:01:10 < jpa-> maybe :)
2014-06-02T18:01:29 < jpa-> but it makes it easy not to care about which pins the actual hardware is on
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2014-06-02T18:05:11 < zyp> I don't see #define FOO_MISO GPIO_SPI_MISO_1, stm32_configgpio(FOO_MISO) doing that any easier than Pin foo_miso = GPIOA[11]; foo_miso.set_af(5); foo_miso.set_mode(Pin::AF);
2014-06-02T18:05:49 < dongs> lol px4 lol nuttx
2014-06-02T18:05:50 < jpa-> yes, C++ does afford some niceties there
2014-06-02T18:05:56 < dongs> fail on fail
2014-06-02T18:06:15 < dongs> everything is a file was a nice joke in 1968
2014-06-02T18:06:31 < jpa-> basically that #define contains pretty much the same info as your Pin class does
2014-06-02T18:06:36 < zyp> jpa-, when I think about it, the nuttx way reminds me of how remaps work on F1 though
2014-06-02T18:10:36 < edmont> zyp: i already reconfigured the 4 pins as AF5, but not working yet...
2014-06-02T18:13:13 < zyp> go over and check that you remembered all clocks and stuff
2014-06-02T18:13:38 < zyp> does it work in master mode?
2014-06-02T18:14:34 < edmont> // Enable ADC1 and SPI1
2014-06-02T18:14:34 < edmont> 	RCC->APB2ENR |= RCC_APB2ENR_ADC1EN | RCC_APB2ENR_SPI1EN;
2014-06-02T18:15:15 < edmont> and also the clock for GPIOE is set
2014-06-02T18:16:24 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm/posts in other news matchboxarm still hasn't shipped
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2014-06-02T18:19:33 < edmont> sorry, pc crashed
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2014-06-02T18:20:20 < Laurenceb__> must be running lunix
2014-06-02T18:20:54 < edmont> ubuntu+virtualbox
2014-06-02T18:21:03 < edmont> but i think it's a hw problem
2014-06-02T18:21:04 < Laurenceb__> inb4 dongs
2014-06-02T18:22:05 < edmont> anyway, i have enough with solving a problem a time :)
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2014-06-02T19:33:41 < edmont> ok zyp, i have it working now
2014-06-02T19:33:53 < edmont> but i get every byte repeated once
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2014-06-02T21:31:24 < Laurenceb__> http://support.dialog-semiconductor.com/downloads/DA14580_DS_v1.63.pdf
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2014-06-02T21:55:12 < Steffanx> fancy Laurenceb__ .. i never heard of that semiconductor before
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2014-06-02T22:09:04 < karlp> yay, OTP
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2014-06-02T23:11:57 < bvernoux> hi
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2014-06-02T23:31:41 < Steffanx> lo
2014-06-02T23:36:30 < bvernoux> for info I have ported micropython to HydraBus
2014-06-02T23:36:46 < bvernoux> and micropython is just an ultra amazing firmware !!
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2014-06-02T23:42:01 < aadamson> stm porn for the day - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/2014-05-29%2017.55.54.jpg
2014-06-02T23:42:18 < aadamson> flew it sat at 2p, was up(and down - different story) for about 30 hours
2014-06-02T23:42:35 < aadamson> 2 rain storms landed it, the last one what appears to be perm
2014-06-02T23:42:45 < aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/2014-05-31%2013.28.57.jpg
2014-06-02T23:43:20 < aadamson> hovering in the garage with 1.5g of free lift being countered by equal weight in bluetac
2014-06-02T23:44:24 < Steffanx> How low power did you get it aadamson ?
2014-06-02T23:44:26 < qyx_> aadamson: what do you use as boost converter for solar?
2014-06-02T23:44:38 < aadamson> 0.000 on a meter Steffanx :)
2014-06-02T23:44:42 < aadamson> qyx_, spv1040
2014-06-02T23:44:50 < aadamson> it has build in mppt
2014-06-02T23:44:56 < Steffanx> lol aadamson.
2014-06-02T23:45:04 < aadamson> single 3.7v lipo 200mah
2014-06-02T23:45:45 < aadamson> flew from atlanta to just outside of indianapolis
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2014-06-02T23:46:24 < aadamson> first rain storm put it down in fort payne, AL... about 10:30p EDT, it dried out and took off at about 12:30a EDT went right back up to 24k feet
2014-06-02T23:46:34 < bvernoux> aadamson: does this STM32L is really low power ?
2014-06-02T23:46:39 < bvernoux> have you done some test ?
2014-06-02T23:47:16 < Steffanx> what is low bvernoux? ~5uA is low?
2014-06-02T23:47:18 < aadamson> bvernoux, see above... between the boost/buck and the entire board is was less than 0.000A on my meter
2014-06-02T23:47:33 < aadamson> the gps in standby is 300uA so in reality it was about 400uA
2014-06-02T23:47:41 < bvernoux> ha reall nice
2014-06-02T23:47:45 < aadamson> the radio was 40 and the dpll was about 40
2014-06-02T23:47:53 < bvernoux> so a total of about 500uA ?
2014-06-02T23:47:59 < aadamson> the processor was in stop mode waiting for RTC to wake it up
2014-06-02T23:48:27 < bvernoux> and what is the frequency of the MCU ?
2014-06-02T23:48:37 < aadamson> full speed
2014-06-02T23:48:38 < aadamson> 32mhz
2014-06-02T23:48:57 < bvernoux> ha not bad
2014-06-02T23:48:58 < aadamson> the L1's work really good
2014-06-02T23:49:05 < bvernoux> anyway really better than any arduino ;)
2014-06-02T23:49:15 < bvernoux> L1 is CortexM0 ?
2014-06-02T23:49:21 < aadamson> no m3
2014-06-02T23:49:22 < qyx_> actually the new F4's should have better mA/MHz ratio
2014-06-02T23:49:25 < bvernoux> ha nice
2014-06-02T23:49:31 < aadamson> qyx_, when is the L4 due out?
2014-06-02T23:49:34 < bvernoux> qyx_: whuch new F4 ?
2014-06-02T23:49:35 < aadamson> I really *now* want to try one
2014-06-02T23:49:37 < qyx_> i mean f401
2014-06-02T23:49:45 < aadamson> ah I hear there is an L4 to be soon
2014-06-02T23:49:49 < bvernoux> ha yes f401 but it is a bit expensive
2014-06-02T23:49:53 < qyx_> expensive?
2014-06-02T23:49:59 < bvernoux> IIRC 4 or 5USD
2014-06-02T23:50:19 < qyx_> 3e on farnell, even cheaper than f103 with comparable amount of ram/flash
2014-06-02T23:50:26 < bvernoux> STM32F405 is very expensive too compared to LPC43xxxx
2014-06-02T23:50:36 < aadamson> oh btw, my VCC was 2.0v
2014-06-02T23:50:50 < aadamson> 405 yeah, but 401?
2014-06-02T23:51:20 < bvernoux> and the most amazing is STM32F4 are only 90nm !!
2014-06-02T23:51:20 < aadamson> Steffanx, with my power budget and using a single AA lithium and boost controller, I *should* be able to live for 6.2 days
2014-06-02T23:51:27 < bvernoux> do you imagine such in 28nm !!
2014-06-02T23:51:44 < bvernoux> the MCU could be powered with a banana ;)
2014-06-02T23:52:08 < aadamson> I think that would work better with a Lemon actually :)
2014-06-02T23:52:10 < aadamson> just saying
2014-06-02T23:52:15 < bvernoux> yes or lemon ;)
2014-06-02T23:53:03 < aadamson> anyway figured Id share a little porn for the day... back to rev2 of the hardware
2014-06-02T23:57:39 < bvernoux> STM32L is M0+ not M3
2014-06-02T23:57:49 < bvernoux> anyway M0+ is not so bad on papaer
2014-06-02T23:57:50 < bvernoux> paper
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2014-06-03T00:00:12 < qyx_> aadamson: have you considered lisocl batteries?
2014-06-03T00:00:26 < qyx_> if you were able to reach such low average consumption
2014-06-03T00:00:30 < qyx_> was
2014-06-03T00:00:33 < qyx_> were
2014-06-03T00:00:47 < bvernoux> ha yes L1 have M3
2014-06-03T00:01:33 < aadamson> qyx_, I haven't, but I need up to 100mA when I'm on and active with the radio and gps (both pull about 40 each)
2014-06-03T00:02:04 < BrainDamage> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/fragment/product_related/subclass_information/subclass_level_diagram/stm32_sc1169.jpg
2014-06-03T00:02:08 < aadamson> what I really need is something that is easy to get small, light and good to -40C :)
2014-06-03T00:02:15 < BrainDamage> the arch of each stm32
2014-06-03T00:11:27 < englishman> wow aadamson
2014-06-03T00:11:27 < englishman> nice
2014-06-03T00:11:44 < aadamson> That's what flew on saturday
2014-06-03T00:12:25 < aadamson> and in now stranded in some tree, bush, corn field in Indiana :)
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2014-06-03T00:43:23 < Steffanx> bvernoux, he used an L1, so it's an M3 :P
2014-06-03T00:44:03 < bvernoux> yep
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2014-06-03T04:08:26 < dongs> hello trolls
2014-06-03T04:08:35 < dongs> owl-v-: it just arrived
2014-06-03T04:09:22 < owl-v-> dongs: good, now you can watch apple keynote
2014-06-03T04:20:48 < gxti> does watching apple propaganda require special hardware?
2014-06-03T04:21:25 < owl-v-> gxti: safari
2014-06-03T04:22:15 < owl-v-> dongs: You can watch apple keynote if you have an iPhone.
2014-06-03T04:23:10 < owl-v-> gxti, dongs, Quicktime is required in Windows.
2014-06-03T04:23:17 < owl-v-> Quicktime7
2014-06-03T04:23:21 < dongs> lol quicktime
2014-06-03T04:23:22 < gxti> i wasn't actually looking for an answer
2014-06-03T04:23:23 < dongs> fucking garbage
2014-06-03T04:23:36 < gxti> but your earnestness is noted
2014-06-03T04:23:54 < dongs> oh
2014-06-03T04:23:58 < dongs> gxti, looks like your shit was delivered
2014-06-03T04:24:05 < dongs> on monday, not bad
2014-06-03T04:24:08 < gxti> indeed
2014-06-03T04:24:20 < dongs> much impress.
2014-06-03T04:24:23 < gxti> need to poke them, haven't heard anything since i paypal'd them a large sum of money
2014-06-03T04:24:38 < dongs> to new york of all places, so its full of jews
2014-06-03T04:24:52 < gxti> nah it's upstate
2014-06-03T04:25:01 < dongs> you know dongsfab can do pcba too.
2014-06-03T04:25:07 < dongs> unless you insist on made in usa.
2014-06-03T04:25:14 < dongs> as your dickstarter punchline
2014-06-03T04:25:14 < gxti> 'murica
2014-06-03T04:25:29 < dongs> k gonna open macmini box
2014-06-03T04:25:33 < dongs> expecting a bunch of feces
2014-06-03T04:25:54 < owl-v-> dongs: cheaper than made in USA?
2014-06-03T04:26:47 < dongs> um lol?
2014-06-03T04:26:55 < dongs> i would imagine its much cheaper
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2014-06-03T04:28:28 < dongs> wow this thing is huge
2014-06-03T04:28:35 < dongs> wat the fuck
2014-06-03T04:28:38 < owl-v-> how long does it take from customer order to shipping arrival day?
2014-06-03T04:28:40 < dongs> i expected something NUC size
2014-06-03T04:28:45 < dongs> owl-v-: for what, pcba?
2014-06-03T04:28:48 < gxti> macmega
2014-06-03T04:29:05 < owl-v-> yes
2014-06-03T04:29:14 < dongs> < 1k boards done same day
2014-06-03T04:29:16 < dongs> 1 day setup.
2014-06-03T04:29:23 < dongs> if dip, add a day or so.
2014-06-03T04:29:27 < owl-v-> oh, Mac mini is wider but flatter than previous version ;)
2014-06-03T04:29:34 < dongs> "previous" version?
2014-06-03T04:29:39 < dongs> this thing is bigger than xbox
2014-06-03T04:31:16 < owl-v-> so, i must order for large quantity?
2014-06-03T04:31:16 < owl-v-> if i want a prototype board?
2014-06-03T04:33:44 < dongs> i duno if its worth to use proper pcb fab for one-off board
2014-06-03T04:33:55 < dongs> you could probably just get garbage from china for 10 for $10
2014-06-03T04:34:41 < dongs> macniggy has no VESA Mount??????????
2014-06-03T04:35:12 < zyp> hmm, wtf
2014-06-03T04:35:26 < dongs> zyp, whats happening with your shit in customs
2014-06-03T04:35:26 < gxti> well yeah you put it on your desk so everyone can see you have a mac
2014-06-03T04:35:33 < dongs> is it still there
2014-06-03T04:35:42 < zyp> dongs, dunno, haven't bothered complaining yet, no update on tracking
2014-06-03T04:36:19 < dongs> does mcmini have wifi
2014-06-03T04:36:21 < dongs> insie
2014-06-03T04:36:22 < dongs> and shit?
2014-06-03T04:36:35 < gxti> you're the one that bought it
2014-06-03T04:37:01 < zyp> hmm, I'm trying to pwm some leds off a timer, so I configure the pins to AF
2014-06-03T04:37:31 < zyp> somehow the fet gates that drives the leds end up floating
2014-06-03T04:37:44 < zyp> how the fuck would that happen?
2014-06-03T04:40:48 < upgrdman> push pull gpio?
2014-06-03T04:41:12 < zyp> I'm not changing the defaults
2014-06-03T04:41:48 < upgrdman> well you want pp :) see what the register is config'd to
2014-06-03T04:41:54 < gxti> i think he knows that
2014-06-03T04:43:06 < zyp> I'm using PA8/PA9 on a stm32f303, they correspond to TIM1_CH1/CH2 on AF6, both GPIOA and TIM1 are on in RCC, and the pins are configured to AF mode and AF6
2014-06-03T04:43:39 < zyp> the pins worked just fine before with the pins set to plain outputs
2014-06-03T04:44:42 < upgrdman> tim1 is the advance one? is master output enabled?
2014-06-03T04:44:51 < zyp> is there a master output?
2014-06-03T04:44:56 < upgrdman> on f0 tim1 you need master out enabled
2014-06-03T04:45:06 < upgrdman> or whatever they call the final enable bit
2014-06-03T04:45:06 < zyp> that might be it, let me take a look
2014-06-03T04:46:39 < zyp> uh, this is dumber than that
2014-06-03T04:47:04 < zyp> I just realized I haven't set the counter enable bit
2014-06-03T04:47:12 < zyp> but also forgot master output, so thanks for the tip
2014-06-03T04:47:26 < upgrdman> f0 calls it "main output enable" in TIM1->BDTR
2014-06-03T04:47:35 < upgrdman> sure :)
2014-06-03T04:47:36 < zyp> yeah, same
2014-06-03T04:50:02 < zyp> ok, that solved it, thanks
2014-06-03T04:50:07 < upgrdman> cool
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2014-06-03T05:30:05 < dongs> haha who comes up with thi sshit for macos
2014-06-03T05:30:09 < dongs> scroll direction: NATURAL
2014-06-03T05:30:18 < dongs> (which is backwards from every scrolling on every OS)
2014-06-03T05:30:29 < dongs> i was wondering wht the fuck i had to scroll UP to move page DOWN
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2014-06-03T10:42:24 < jpa-> hmph.. annoying that STM32L1 doesn't have separate Vbat pin
2014-06-03T10:43:24 < jpa-> i wonder if it would be easiest to  1) use other family (F1? outdated, F2? poor tool support, F3? maybe, F4? overkill) instead
2014-06-03T10:43:45 < jpa-> or 2) program it to go to deep sleep based on some other pin state
2014-06-03T10:43:54 < jpa-> or 3) use external rtc chip
2014-06-03T10:47:05 < SlaveToTheSauce_> f0?
2014-06-03T10:48:01 < jpa-> too limited for the application, especially as cost doesn't matter that much (power usage matters a little)
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2014-06-03T11:08:05 < dongs> nothign wrong wiht F1 at all
2014-06-03T11:11:23 < jpa-> not really, no
2014-06-03T11:11:28 < jpa-> though the new gpio is nicer
2014-06-03T11:12:09 < qyx_> f401!
2014-06-03T11:12:15  * qyx_ likes
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2014-06-03T11:25:17 < edmont> zyp: i'm still working with the SPI
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2014-06-03T11:25:53 < edmont> i made it work, and could read 671 bytes with DMA (that's what i want)
2014-06-03T11:26:29 < edmont> only at 2 MHz anyway
2014-06-03T11:26:57 < edmont> but the problem is after the first read, the stm32 freezes
2014-06-03T11:28:15 < edmont> when i stop the debugger, it is in the first line of the startup code:
2014-06-03T11:28:16 < edmont>                 B       .
2014-06-03T11:29:08 < edmont> it never reaches the transfer complete irq
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2014-06-03T11:32:55 < edmont> ok, just changed to 10 bytes and not working either
2014-06-03T11:38:02 < SlaveToTheSauce_> are your fault handlers defined? sounds like they're just 0 or aliased to the reset handler or something
2014-06-03T11:44:41 < edmont> SlaveToTheSauce_: yes: http://pastebin.com/cdiWqhhZ
2014-06-03T11:46:26 < edmont> it stucks in line 285
2014-06-03T11:48:51 < SlaveToTheSauce_> isnt that the default handler? are you perhaps defining the wrong irq handler in your application code?
2014-06-03T11:50:14 < edmont> could be :)
2014-06-03T11:51:06 < edmont>         /* DMA1 channel3 configuration: SPI TX */
2014-06-03T11:51:06 < edmont> 	// Peripheral register address: SPI data register
2014-06-03T11:51:06 < edmont> 	DMA1_Channel3->CPAR = (uint32_t)&(SPI1->DR);
2014-06-03T11:51:06 < edmont> 	// Memory address: SPI buffer	
2014-06-03T11:51:06 < edmont> 	DMA1_Channel3->CMAR = (uint32_t)&spiBuf;
2014-06-03T11:51:06 < edmont> 	// Amount of data to be transfered
2014-06-03T11:51:06 < edmont> 	DMA1_Channel3->CNDTR = SPI_TX_FRAME_SIZE;
2014-06-03T11:51:07 < edmont> 	// High priority, 8-bit data, read from meory, memory increment,
2014-06-03T11:51:07 < edmont> 	// Transfer complete interrupt enable. Channel enable.
2014-06-03T11:51:08 < edmont> 	DMA1_Channel3->CCR |= DMA_CCR3_PL_1 | DMA_CCR3_DIR | DMA_CCR3_MINC  |
2014-06-03T11:51:08 < edmont> 												DMA_CCR3_TCIE | DMA_CCR3_EN;
2014-06-03T11:51:26 < edmont> that's how i configure the SPI DMA TX
2014-06-03T11:51:54 < edmont> and handler is: void DMA_Channel3_IRQHandler()
2014-06-03T11:53:21 < edmont> mmm, maybe it should be DMA1_Channel3_IRQHandler()
2014-06-03T11:53:39 < SlaveToTheSauce_> yup
2014-06-03T11:54:08 < edmont> exactly :)
2014-06-03T11:54:10 < edmont> thx
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2014-06-03T12:32:19 < __rob> anyone using freertos ?
2014-06-03T12:32:34 < jpa-> i have used it sometimes
2014-06-03T12:37:58 < tylerr> how to solve exceptions in stm32 when they occur very randomly ie we cant even find the cause of exception by going through call stack
2014-06-03T12:38:11 < jpa-> what exception?
2014-06-03T12:40:10 < __rob> I'm just trying it out for a project where splitting things into many states is becoming messy, was hoping this could solve my problems
2014-06-03T12:41:10 < __rob> so I want to use it without preemption, so each task will yeild, but I'm just looking at the docs. I want to know if its possible to, when a task is inturrupted, to then have the 'service' task for that inturrupt get switched in
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2014-06-03T12:41:58 < jpa-> just make sure it has higher priority and make it runnable
2014-06-03T12:42:06 < __rob> but gaurenteed. As far as I can see it, if I had a number of interrupt handler tasks that were waiting on a queue or mutex of some kind, I would have to dynamically raise the priority of the specific task I want to run next
2014-06-03T12:42:52 < __rob> if I have them all at hte same priority level i mean so normal tasks prio 1 , handler tasks 2
2014-06-03T12:44:25 < __rob> wait, you said, make it runnable, so it that is something I explictly have to do if its waiting on a queue or mutex?
2014-06-03T12:44:56 < __rob> I assumed the readyness of the queue or mutex would (in the freerots kernel) mark that task as now runnable
2014-06-03T12:45:01 < jpa-> releasing a mutex is one way to make it runnable
2014-06-03T12:45:57 < __rob> ok, I'll try a quick test project and see
2014-06-03T12:45:59 < __rob> thanks
2014-06-03T12:46:20 < __rob> one other thing, did you consider it worth using over bear metal ?
2014-06-03T12:47:18 < __rob> for simple stuff, talking to other modules, flashing leds, simple lcd stuff etc..
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2014-06-03T12:49:43 < jpa-> maybe
2014-06-03T12:49:57 < jpa-> i usually prefer chibios myself, as it already has useful hardware drivers
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2014-06-03T12:53:31 < __rob> looks quite nice
2014-06-03T12:59:57 < __rob> I do wonder how useful the HAL layer will be. Its pretty complete with the stm32 peripheral library
2014-06-03T13:00:02 < __rob> and quite simple
2014-06-03T13:00:14 < jpa-> it is quite useful
2014-06-03T13:01:06 < tylerr> jpa:-i'm talking about hard fault exceptions in stm32
2014-06-03T13:01:21 < tylerr> how to solve them when they occur randomly
2014-06-03T13:01:24 < jpa-> tylerr: look at SCB->CFSR to get the basic reason
2014-06-03T13:01:38 < __rob> I guess my concern is when I find I want to use the dma controller for the uart or spi
2014-06-03T13:01:45 < jpa-> then SP+6 to get the PC address where it occurred
2014-06-03T13:01:46 < __rob> doesn't look like there is support for that, though I may be wrong..
2014-06-03T13:01:55 < jpa-> there is a gdb script floating around that can do this automatically
2014-06-03T13:01:57 < __rob> so I'd likely end up using the stm32p anyway
2014-06-03T13:02:15 < jpa-> __rob: most chibios drivers use the DMA
2014-06-03T13:02:28 < karlp> tylerr: https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/jtag/armv7m-macros.gdb
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2014-06-03T13:02:49 < karlp> __rob: what is "using the stm32p" ?
2014-06-03T13:02:57 < jpa-> probably stdperiph
2014-06-03T13:03:33 < __rob> sorry peripheral library
2014-06-03T13:06:22 < tylerr> karlp: i am using iar for the stm32, can u throw some light on how to use that gdb script
2014-06-03T13:07:18 < jpa-> nah, use IAR's own debugger then
2014-06-03T13:07:22 < jpa-> it will give you the same info
2014-06-03T13:07:40 < jpa-> debugging hardfaults is explained in pretty much any cortex-m3 textbook
2014-06-03T13:09:42 < tylerr> jpa:thanks for the info , but what if the exceptions dont occur consistently ie some times every thing works fine and sometimes we get hard fault exceptions, is it normal for exceptions to occur in this way
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2014-06-03T13:11:02 < jpa-> yes, it is normal for some bugs to be sporadic
2014-06-03T13:11:26 < jpa-> if you cannot have a debugger connected to the system when it faults, have the hardfault handler dump the relevant information to file/eeprom/flash/screen
2014-06-03T13:12:09 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/master/Runtime/debug.c#L87
2014-06-03T13:13:36 < tylerr> i have debugger connected , when i track the exceptions through the call stack in IAR it shows some peripheral lib like GPIO config etc
2014-06-03T13:13:56 < jpa-> what is the SCB->CFSR value?
2014-06-03T13:14:50 < tylerr> 1 sec
2014-06-03T13:16:07 < tylerr> 00020400
2014-06-03T13:16:32 < tylerr> 0x00020400
2014-06-03T13:19:22 < jpa-> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0552a/Cihcfefj.html   so IMPRECISERR with INVSTATE
2014-06-03T13:19:44 < jpa-> what about registers (PC, SP, LR) before hardfault? you'll find them on stack
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2014-06-03T13:21:19 < tylerr> yes PC  shows a location which doesnt exisrt
2014-06-03T13:22:56 < jpa-> are you using function pointers or virtual c++ classes in your code? maybe one of them is corrupted
2014-06-03T13:23:12 < jpa-> otherwise it could be a buffer overrun on stack
2014-06-03T13:23:41 < jpa-> you can look deeper into the stack to find some clues - the debugger is probably confused, so look at raw stack dump
2014-06-03T13:24:24 < jpa-> any 0x0000 or 0x0800 addresses are probably code, so then look up which function they belong to (but some of these can be false clues, so don't get stuck on any single address but instead check them all)
2014-06-03T13:25:21 < tylerr> now again i got an exception with different CFSR value 0x00008200 ie PRECISERR and BFARVALID
2014-06-03T13:25:34 < tylerr> yes i am using many function pointers
2014-06-03T13:25:46 < jpa-> BFARVALID is good
2014-06-03T13:26:02 < jpa-> now you can look at SCB->BFAR to see the faulting address, and also PC should be correct
2014-06-03T13:27:05 < jpa-> does your STM32 model have MPU? protecting the 0x0000 + 64kB memory area can be very useful for catching null pointers
2014-06-03T13:29:01 < tylerr> i am using stm32l152cb its datasheet says it has mpu
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2014-06-03T13:31:27 < tylerr> i tracked the call stack it shows some vListInsert () some freertos function
2014-06-03T13:33:02 < jpa-> offhand i would guess a buffer overrun somewhere in your own code to be most likely cause - if it corrupts a random part of memory, it can be very difficult to debug
2014-06-03T13:35:25 < tylerr> yep random CFSR values each time
2014-06-03T13:35:34 < PaulFertser> watchpoints help a lot to debug buffer overruns and such.
2014-06-03T13:36:02 < jpa-> yeah, if the situation is repeatable enough
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2014-06-03T13:44:24 < __rob> jpa- do you know what freertos mean by this for the stackdepth parameter to xTaskCreate() "usStackDepth The size of the task stack specified as the number of variables the stack can hold - not the number of bytes."
2014-06-03T13:44:27 < __rob> surely thats nonsense
2014-06-03T13:44:40 < __rob> what if I have a struct with 4 uint32_t
2014-06-03T13:44:45 < __rob> as a variable
2014-06-03T13:44:46 < jpa-> it means "as a multiple of the word size of the platform"
2014-06-03T13:44:55 < jpa-> so on STM32 each stack entry is 4 bytes
2014-06-03T13:45:28 < __rob> yea, but what i mean is, they say number of varaibles.. surely they mean number of variables of size 32bits (stm32)
2014-06-03T13:45:39 < __rob> a single variable could eat the whole stack
2014-06-03T13:45:48 < __rob> if its a class with a ton of members
2014-06-03T13:46:26 < __rob> dodgy documentation/wording then..
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2014-06-03T13:46:54 < jpa-> yes, it is poorly explained
2014-06-03T13:49:40 < PaulFertser> There're also some freertos functions that you can use runtime to show the least amount of free space a stack of a particular task had up till now.
2014-06-03T13:54:32 < Steffanx> How it does that?  Pretty hard to figure that out no?
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2014-06-03T13:54:48 < Steffanx> I mean, to figure it out and be 100% correct.
2014-06-03T13:55:21 < __rob> surely just keep track of the max value of the stack pointer
2014-06-03T13:55:28 < Steffanx> oh sure.
2014-06-03T13:55:35 < Steffanx> meh, im stupid :P
2014-06-03T13:55:47 < jpa-> Steffanx: they fill the stack with dummy data and see where the thread has written over it
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2014-06-03T13:56:11 < Steffanx> yeah, but that only works when you don't use the same value they use
2014-06-03T13:56:53 < karlp> yes, but if you write programs that repeatedly write DEADBEEF/CAFEBABE repeatedly, then you may have other problems :)
2014-06-03T13:56:57 < __rob> jpa- from the docs I thought that dummy value was for detecting stack overflow
2014-06-03T13:57:00 < jpa-> that would be a quite rare situation, and even then you probably wouldn't have many hundreds of bytes of the same value at the exact end of the stack
2014-06-03T13:58:03 < jpa-> while (1) *(int*)alloca(4) = 0xCAFEBABE;
2014-06-03T13:58:24 < __rob> that was quick to get up and running, quite impressed
2014-06-03T13:58:31 < __rob> hopefully chibi is as easy
2014-06-03T13:58:59 < Steffanx> chibios is easy-ish :)
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2014-06-03T14:09:10 < Steffanx> Dongs doing swift yet like a real macfag?
2014-06-03T14:12:04 < Laurenceb__> Dongs is too busy coding in swift
2014-06-03T14:12:10 < Steffanx> Ah, right.
2014-06-03T14:12:58 < Steffanx> Apple guys are real faggots. "Stealing" a name: https://developer.apple.com/swift/ .. "Looking for the Swift parallel scripting language? Please visit http://swift-lang.org"
2014-06-03T14:14:27 < dongs> iTunes is the world's easiest way to organize and add to your digital media collection.
2014-06-03T14:14:37 < Laurenceb__> irl lol
2014-06-03T14:15:01 < SlaveToTheSauce_> is it just me or is swift absolutely hideous
2014-06-03T14:15:12 < Steffanx> it's you.
2014-06-03T14:15:49 < Steffanx> Dongs, how can you dislike this scrolling? You scroll on your fancy phone the same way not?
2014-06-03T14:20:09 < Laurenceb__> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/yuansong84/ifind-the-worlds-first-battery-free-item-locating
2014-06-03T14:20:11 < Laurenceb__> fake
2014-06-03T14:21:46 < Steffanx> Or just a bit too ambitious?
2014-06-03T14:22:56 < jpa-> i wonder who even needs those item locators
2014-06-03T14:24:01 < Steffanx> i do. I loose my stuff around me all the time.
2014-06-03T14:24:13 < __rob> trying to use freertos on a cortex-m0, just got one of the demos working and thats it for my ram
2014-06-03T14:24:18 < __rob> 7.8kb. gone
2014-06-03T14:24:52 < jpa-> configuration affects the memory usage a lot
2014-06-03T14:25:27 < __rob> looks like they use the MINAL_STACK_SIZE for all the tasks, which is 70
2014-06-03T14:26:09 < __rob> 2 tasks + a timertasks
2014-06-03T14:26:20 < __rob> and a queue of size 1
2014-06-03T14:26:55 < __rob> they must just allocate the rest to their heap?
2014-06-03T14:27:06 < Laurenceb__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lPEg83vF_Tw
2014-06-03T14:27:08 < Laurenceb__> oh shit
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2014-06-03T14:29:16 < __rob> ahh there we go.. 7*1024 for the heap
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2014-06-03T16:13:34 < Laurenceb__> http://energyandnuclear.com/category/civil-nuclear/decommissioning/page/3/
2014-06-03T16:13:37 < Laurenceb__> lolling
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2014-06-03T16:17:56 < Steffanx> you meant: trolling.
2014-06-03T16:18:43 < Laurenceb__> ass system
2014-06-03T16:19:03 < Laurenceb__> http://assystem.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/logo_with_text4.png
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2014-06-03T16:30:16 < dongs> looks almsot like AMS logo
2014-06-03T16:30:36 < dongs> https://www.ams.com/eng
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2014-06-03T17:16:16 < __rob> any reason why printf with semihosting on a cortex m0 is stopping the xPortPendSVHandler getting called with FreeRTOS
2014-06-03T17:17:42 < __rob> just got a while loops printing in 2 different tasks at the same priority
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2014-06-03T20:13:51 < bvernoux> hi
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2014-06-03T21:02:06 < aadamson> dongs, you about or sleeping?
2014-06-03T21:03:43 < Steffanx> probably joined wifecop a while ago.
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2014-06-03T21:06:41 < aadamson> yeah probably - anyone know of a way to *mirror* top to bottom in diptrace, I have a complete top layout that I need to *mirror* to the bottom and vice-a-versa so I don't have to flip the connection sides
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2014-06-03T21:21:02 < Steffanx> pass
2014-06-03T21:22:15 < Steffanx> aadamson, you have the schematics of that balloon thing online somewhere?
2014-06-03T21:22:42 < aadamson> yeah... hang on, it's a rev1 and needs a tweak or two
2014-06-03T21:23:01 < aadamson> https://github.com/akadamson/STM32L1-FC
2014-06-03T21:23:12 < aadamson> I missed powering the DPLL's VDOUT's
2014-06-03T21:23:27 < aadamson> https://github.com/akadamson/Solar-Lipo-USB
2014-06-03T21:23:38 < aadamson> https://github.com/akadamson/Single-Cell-Boost
2014-06-03T21:25:19 < aadamson> Steffanx, on the CDCEL913, pins 6,7 need to be connected to 1V8 (which is really just 2.0 from the boost/buck controller)
2014-06-03T21:25:32 < aadamson> the CDCEL has a max vdd of 2.0v so I'm pushing it a little
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2014-06-03T22:53:27 < owl-v-> lol. and easy to sync music to iPhone. >> <dongs> iTunes is the world's easiest way to organize and add to your digital media collection.
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2014-06-03T22:58:56 < Steffanx> Easy to sync.. meeh
2014-06-03T23:01:09 < owl-v-> iTunes >> one click, done.
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2014-06-03T23:08:19 < gnomad> yeah, if you have a pathetically small library, itunes is just fine.
2014-06-03T23:08:33 < gnomad> it does not scale well at all
2014-06-03T23:14:32 < Steffanx> one click.. what a terrible long time .. done
2014-06-03T23:15:12 < Steffanx> by default it likes to sync everything. It also likes to sync the apps to your pc :S
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2014-06-04T01:07:29 < johntramp> hi   is anyone please able to send me the STM32-CRYP-LIB from ST?
2014-06-04T01:08:05 < johntramp> I am 'under review' on their website and it could take up to 48 hours... what a joke
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2014-06-04T01:16:28 < Steffanx> oh, you actually have to "order" it. Now that have to handle my bullshit request too :P
2014-06-04T01:18:59 < johntramp> yeah   and then get your order approved... :S
2014-06-04T01:19:44 < Steffanx> Probably because they're not allowed to do business with certain countries.
2014-06-04T01:20:13 < Steffanx> I wonder if they only allowed corporate email adress like broadcom
2014-06-04T01:20:27 < johntramp> maybe   I said i was from Afghanistan because it was at the top of the list
2014-06-04T01:20:45 < Steffanx> Hah, i don't think that will help you
2014-06-04T01:20:52 < johntramp> probably get denied ;)
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2014-06-04T03:24:34 < dongs> aadamson: 3am? sleeping.
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2014-06-04T03:32:10 < aadamson> yeah... figured... go back to sleep... I sorted it out...
2014-06-04T03:32:16 < aadamson> thanks for letting me know however.
2014-06-04T03:32:23 < aadamson> :)
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2014-06-04T06:03:03 < dongs> hello innovators
2014-06-04T06:09:36 < upgrdman> the new smart tweezers looks awesome. im tempted.  http://www.advancedevices.com/Smart_Tweezers_LCR_Meter.htm
2014-06-04T06:10:37 < dongs> omfg
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2014-06-04T06:11:19 < dongs> heh, nice price
2014-06-04T06:11:20 < gxti> innovative.
2014-06-04T06:11:21 < dongs> fuckin scam
2014-06-04T06:11:32 < dongs> i'll stick with my peak lcr for now
2014-06-04T06:11:37 < dongs> i wish it had slightly better test leads
2014-06-04T06:11:40 < upgrdman> there's a half-price version with looser tolerances
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2014-06-04T06:18:37 < dongs> hmm
2014-06-04T06:18:38 < dongs> they do paypal
2014-06-04T06:18:40 < dongs> tempting
2014-06-04T06:18:43 < dongs> then its like getting it free!
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2014-06-04T06:32:00 < baird> my money, have it: "Meter's display can be easily flipped from the menu for left-handed use."
2014-06-04T06:33:07 < upgrdman> its also avail through amazon prime, if you want it quick in the usa
2014-06-04T06:33:22 < upgrdman> i might do it. i've got like $100 in amazon gift cards laying around
2014-06-04T06:46:37 < dongs> upgrdman: ? all i see is >$350 versions
2014-06-04T06:46:39 < dongs> where is "half price"
2014-06-04T06:48:13 < upgrdman> dongs: $160
2014-06-04T06:48:14 < upgrdman> https://smarttweezers.3dcartstores.com/Smart-Tweezers-Colibri-PN-ST52CAD_p_73.html
2014-06-04T06:48:43 < upgrdman> and
2014-06-04T06:48:44 < upgrdman> http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Tweezers-Colibri-LCR-Meter/dp/B00HPZ6PIE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1401853706&sr=8-3&keywords=smart+tweezers
2014-06-04T06:49:57 < dongs> hmm, but the expensive one is still better
2014-06-04T06:50:02 < dongs> has DCR and shit
2014-06-04T06:50:11 < dongs> plus paypal, CANT REFUSE
2014-06-04T06:52:09 < upgrdman> not liking your peak lcr meter so much?
2014-06-04T06:55:53 < dongs> oh its good
2014-06-04T06:55:57 < dongs> but test clips suck dick
2014-06-04T06:56:16 < dongs> they're fiucking grippers
2014-06-04T06:56:19 < dongs> for axian shit
2014-06-04T06:56:20 < dongs> axial
2014-06-04T06:56:26 < dongs> so its annoying as shit to try and measure 0603/0402
2014-06-04T06:57:01 < gxti> so get some proper tweezers
2014-06-04T06:57:18 < dongs> i have a LCR40 and ESR70, i could replace both with one tool!
2014-06-04T06:58:19 < dongs> (thats more accurate too)
2014-06-04T06:59:08 < gxti> dunno, looks pretty trashy
2014-06-04T07:00:57 < dongs> LCR40 is +-1.5% accuracy and 1% on R
2014-06-04T07:01:08 < dongs> +-1.5% on caps/inductors
2014-06-04T07:02:14 < dongs> ESR70 is +-4% on caps, 1.5% on ESR
2014-06-04T07:03:14 < upgrdman> my new toy should be here on thursday :) now i gotta find my stash of inductors and caps pulled from junk pcbs
2014-06-04T07:10:10 < dongs> k will furiously wait for your review
2014-06-04T07:10:18 < upgrdman> will do.
2014-06-04T07:22:49 < upgrdman> does polarity matter with an lcr meter when measuring polarized caps? (like tants) or is the voltage too low to do much damage?
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2014-06-04T07:23:57 < dongs> hmm, ESR70 has polarized leads
2014-06-04T07:24:06 < dongs> hm or not
2014-06-04T07:24:12 < dongs> LCR40 does
2014-06-04T07:24:20 < dongs> interesting, i wonder how the fuck that works :)
2014-06-04T07:25:42 < upgrdman> we'll find out.
2014-06-04T07:26:40 < dongs> ESR70 just works doesnt matter how its hooked up.
2014-06-04T07:49:30 < ds2> is there a cheaper meter that will do Q measurements?
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2014-06-04T08:14:22 < dongs> if you actualy need to know it, you probably should be able to afford proper tools for measuring it
2014-06-04T08:18:09 < englishman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/200907634517
2014-06-04T08:18:31 < englishman> in the small value of the test has an absolute advantage is the accuracy and minimum resolution,
2014-06-04T08:19:05 < dongs> wehre the fuck is my 4 digit ampmeter
2014-06-04T08:21:18 < upgrdman> "high precision"     "ships from china"       "hd44780" ...      <_<
2014-06-04T08:21:24 < dongs> iknorite
2014-06-04T08:21:55 < upgrdman> but, for the price, if it's half-decent, then cool.
2014-06-04T08:22:25 < upgrdman> LOL  Capacitance measuring range: 0.01 pF
2014-06-04T08:22:29 < dongs> lol
2014-06-04T08:22:39 < upgrdman> wonder what those fucking allegater clips do to that
2014-06-04T08:22:51 < dongs> clearlty
2014-06-04T08:22:57 < englishman> Supply supply: +5v
2014-06-04T08:24:57 < englishman> which was the one you have dongs
2014-06-04T08:25:02 < englishman> the english one
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2014-06-04T08:51:24 < dongs> stoned
2014-06-04T08:51:29 < dongs> emeb_mac: hm?
2014-06-04T08:51:31 < dongs> err
2014-06-04T08:51:32 < dongs> englishman: wat?
2014-06-04T08:51:33 < dongs> peak?
2014-06-04T08:51:58 < dongs> i have peak lcr40 and esr70
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2014-06-04T10:13:13 < ds2> dongs: does either of those do Q measurements?
2014-06-04T10:13:41 < dongs> nope.
2014-06-04T10:13:54 < dongs> and I remmber I got ESR70 beaduse LCR40 stopped at 10uF or something for caps
2014-06-04T10:14:29 < dongs> two of them cost more than the cheapy version of that shit upgman linked, and d o more (already) and at bettery accuracy.
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2014-06-04T10:14:45 < dongs> er, and do more = referring to the tweezers
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2014-06-04T12:02:33 < twixx> which tool can i use to download the content of stm32f103 flash to pc(*.bin)?
2014-06-04T12:03:24 < dongs> stlink utility probably? i usually use jlink jflash thing.
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2014-06-04T12:05:37 < PaulFertser> twixx: i'd use openocd ;)
2014-06-04T12:08:43 < perole> is it doable to develop under linux without spending days setting things up, or is windows the way to go?
2014-06-04T12:09:57 < PaulFertser> perole: of course it is.
2014-06-04T12:10:16 < PaulFertser> Possible to use GNU/Linux without extra hassle.
2014-06-04T12:11:12 < perole> allright, can the cubemx stuff be used with it too?  I need to get some USB HID stuff running, and I prefer the libraries to do the gruntwork for me
2014-06-04T12:11:45 < perole> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded ?
2014-06-04T12:12:23 < PaulFertser> perole: yes
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2014-06-04T12:30:33 < Alexer-> btw, is there a utility with stlink support which doesn't need a separate server process? (stlink has the gdb server and openocd seems to have a telnet server)
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2014-06-04T12:31:02 < PaulFertser> openocd _is_ a gdb server itself. And it doesn't need a separate server process.
2014-06-04T12:31:06 < Alexer-> so you need to start a server first and then connect to it which is way too much work (tm) >:P
2014-06-04T12:31:36 < PaulFertser> You do not need to connect to openocd, you can run a premade script.
2014-06-04T12:31:53 < Alexer-> ah, cool, I should look at it
2014-06-04T12:32:20 < karlp> Alexer-: even texane/stlink has a command line flash tool, as well as the gdb server
2014-06-04T12:32:35 < karlp> (if you must use that tool)
2014-06-04T12:32:39 < Alexer-> karlp, wait, it does?
2014-06-04T12:32:48 < karlp> it's had that for longer than it's had a gdb server
2014-06-04T12:32:53 < PaulFertser> It has a premade proc called "program" to flash. Doesn't need anything extra.
2014-06-04T12:33:04 < karlp> it's not a very big project, if you didn't see it, I can't help you much :)
2014-06-04T12:33:58 < Alexer-> the "st-flash" thing?
2014-06-04T12:34:54 < Alexer-> the README didn't mention it, so that's my defense ;P
2014-06-04T12:35:20 < karlp> someone wrote the readme later
2014-06-04T12:35:29 < karlp> there's a pdf doc that outlines how to use it in the doc dir iirc
2014-06-04T12:35:36 < Alexer-> I've just been using a custom script to talk to the builtin usart bootloader this far, since that works well enough
2014-06-04T12:35:54 < karlp> also, the project used to build the st-flash util straight into the root directory, before someone came and pooped autotools all over it
2014-06-04T12:36:18 < karlp> Alexer-: so what, you use that script, then reconnect something else to debug?
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2014-06-04T12:36:22 < Alexer-> but it's slow and you have to close minicom when you reprogram, so now that my kernel doesn't spit out 10k lines of errors about the stlink anymore, I figured out I should try using it :P
2014-06-04T12:36:37 < karlp> you know you can just leave openocd running permanently, and just type "load" in it ever now and again?
2014-06-04T12:37:00 < karlp> why was your kernel spitting out 10k lines of errors? you didn't read the readme? ;)
2014-06-04T12:37:14 < karlp> (I presume you mean stlinkv1 then?)
2014-06-04T12:37:46 < Alexer-> karlp, I know I could've done something about it, but I already had my bootloader script, and was too lazy to do anything about it :-)
2014-06-04T12:38:36 < Alexer-> and about the reconnect-thing, I just print debugging information over usart :P
2014-06-04T12:38:54 < Alexer-> who need some fancy gdb stuff anyway, right? :P
2014-06-04T12:39:36 < SlaveToTheSauce_> just leave oocd running and run a script like this https://github.com/ranzbak/chibios-nrf24l01/blob/master/stm32_flash.pl to flash
2014-06-04T12:40:02 < jpa-> why would someone do it that way? :)
2014-06-04T12:40:24 < jpa-> just put a bunch of magic command line switches to openocd and it does everything, or like karlp says use "load" from gdb
2014-06-04T12:40:46 < Alexer-> aaand yeah, I didn't realize it before actually, I was running stlinkv1 back then I guess (with stm32vldiscovery), but now I'm using the stm32f4discovery so it's v2 IIRC
2014-06-04T12:41:31 < Alexer-> I was thinking a kernel upgrade autoblacklisted the device, but I guess I just switched the device and it's working now automatically because the stlink version is different :P
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2014-06-04T12:43:44 < PaulFertser> SlaveToTheSauce_: that script is strange, I can't see a sane usecase for that. Also, using RPC API is easier than telnet.
2014-06-04T12:43:53 < Alexer-> oh, another thing, "load" followed by "run" doesn't actually start blinking the relevant leds for me, while "load" "continue" works fine, is it supposed to be that way?
2014-06-04T12:44:16 < jpa-> not really, but i've seen that sometimes also
2014-06-04T12:44:36 < jpa-> flashing with openocd, code works on first run but no-longer after reset
2014-06-04T12:44:41 < SlaveToTheSauce_> well i will not hesitate to concede that i probably have a pretty weird workflow?
2014-06-04T12:44:59 < jpa-> then reflashing again and the same code works fine even after reset..
2014-06-04T12:45:03 < Alexer-> ah, good to know
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2014-06-04T12:48:33 < PaulFertser> jpa-: have you noticed current openocd does "reset halt" automatically after gdb "load"?
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2014-06-04T12:51:38 < PaulFertser> It might affect things.
2014-06-04T12:52:19 < jpa-> it might; also it might be something about my boot code
2014-06-04T12:54:49 < PaulFertser> SlaveToTheSauce_: reset halt might be worse than "reset init" for some parts (e.g. stm32l), the flashing would be slower; probe 0 command is unnecessary there; I also recommend using .elf files everywhere for consistency, then manually specifying address wouldn't be needed.
2014-06-04T12:55:18 < PaulFertser> SlaveToTheSauce_: it's also unclear why you might want to have openocd running all the time if you do not need gdb, and if you need gdb, you can just "load" from within it.
2014-06-04T12:56:16 < SlaveToTheSauce_> i think i tweaked the exact set of commands used in the script for my own purposes, i don't have it accessible at the moment though
2014-06-04T12:56:33 < jpa-> PaulFertser: probably openocd command line was just too difficult to figure out :)
2014-06-04T12:56:34 < PaulFertser> Talking about stlinks, in case you missed it, current openocd HEAD has some improvements for the cases when you have an unstable connection between stlink and the target or the target is physically power-cycled. Please try it and report your impressions.
2014-06-04T12:56:35 < SlaveToTheSauce_> and as for gdb i like having the *option* of running it on demand but don't particularly want to do everything through it
2014-06-04T12:56:43 < SlaveToTheSauce_> will do
2014-06-04T12:57:15 < jpa-> PaulFertser: thanks for info, i'll try it some time
2014-06-04T12:57:25 < jpa-> PaulFertser: how new are these improvements?
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2014-06-04T12:58:48 < PaulFertser> jpa-: was committed on monday probably, fb5e099af83a17821e6962b6e632582cb5033a66
2014-06-04T13:00:00 < dongs> so after all, you cant use openocd to dump .bin from a f1 chip?
2014-06-04T13:01:38 < PaulFertser> dongs: why, you can.
2014-06-04T13:01:50 < dongs> didnt you just say "was commited on monday probably"
2014-06-04T13:02:30 < PaulFertser> dongs: that was regarding autoreconnecting to targets with stlink after some jtag-level glitch.
2014-06-04T13:03:04 < jpa-> like going to standby, which tends to break the debugger connector etc.
2014-06-04T13:03:10 < jpa-> *connection
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2014-06-04T13:03:52 < PaulFertser> Yep
2014-06-04T13:04:09 < karlp> SlaveToTheSauce_: holy shit, man, using perl to drive telnet to talk to the oocd?! I'm scared and confused by how you came to that solution! :)
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2014-06-04T13:04:54 < SlaveToTheSauce_> i dunno it's obviously not my solution
2014-06-04T13:07:49 < SlaveToTheSauce_> i grabbed it before i knew anything about anything and haven't bothered to move on because it works
2014-06-04T13:07:57 < SlaveToTheSauce_> think i found it here http://www.triplespark.net/elec/pdev/arm/stm32.html initially
2014-06-04T13:08:03 < dongs> perl.. telnet.. lunix...
2014-06-04T13:08:26 < SlaveToTheSauce_> yeah or i could spend 5 grand on a toolchain, yes yes
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2014-06-04T15:23:03 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27684258
2014-06-04T15:23:07 < Laurenceb> epic lulz
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2014-06-04T15:25:21 < Steffanx> First: not epic, Second: No lulz..
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2014-06-04T18:06:37 < edmont> hi
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2014-06-04T18:08:54 < edmont> when using SPI with DMA and CRC, does the amount of data loaded in CNDTR take into account the CRC size?
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2014-06-04T18:29:16 < jpa-> edmont: the number of data should be the same as you would normally write to the register
2014-06-04T18:29:34 < jpa-> i'm not sure how the crc works with spi
2014-06-04T18:30:11 < edmont> DMA capability with CRC
2014-06-04T18:30:11 < edmont> When SPI communication is enabled with CRC communication and DMA mode, the transmission and reception of the CRC at the end of communication are automatic that is without using the bit CRCNEXT. After the CRC reception, the CRC must be read in the SPI_DR register to clear the RXNE flag.
2014-06-04T18:30:12 < edmont> At the end of data and CRC transfers, the CRCERR flag in SPI_SR is set if corruption occurs during the transfer.
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2014-06-04T18:49:43 < edmont> jpa-: CRC size doesn't count for DMA configuration
2014-06-04T18:49:58 < edmont> i tried both options
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2014-06-05T00:23:54 < josh532> Hey, anyone played with uclinux?
2014-06-05T00:24:57 < josh532> How are you supposed to build programs for it? I have it running on a discovery, interfacing with it using uart. What kind of tools could I use for transferring programs after cross compilation over uart?
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2014-06-05T00:32:25 < josh532> I know I could just redirect input using cat and use minicom. But surely there is a better tool?
2014-06-05T00:36:30 < baird> gkermit? lrzsz?
2014-06-05T00:36:37 < karlp> nfs, scp ;)
2014-06-05T00:41:18 < josh532> karlp, Can you use scp with uart?
2014-06-05T00:41:38 < karlp> haha, probably if you set up slip/ppp first ;)
2014-06-05T00:41:48 < karlp> what platform ar eyou working on?
2014-06-05T00:41:53 < josh532> stm32f4
2014-06-05T00:42:25 < baird> For the tiny Linux boxen here (RAM: 3MB->16MB), my usual M.O is to have gkermit on the remote, and ckermit on this machine. Often the other machine doesn't have decent uarts (8250..16450..), so a robust protocol is a win.
2014-06-05T00:42:31 < josh532> http://www.emcraft.com/stm32f429discovery
2014-06-05T00:42:51 < baird> I've been meaning to hack on that..
2014-06-05T00:43:18 < josh532> Yeah, but I am just trying to work out the best way to build for it.
2014-06-05T00:43:26 < josh532> Cross compilation is the only way.
2014-06-05T00:45:26 < josh532> Ideally would like to be able to use an ide with it.
2014-06-05T00:45:55 < gxti> the dirt simple way is to put everything into an initramfs and flash it with the kernel
2014-06-05T00:46:30 < baird> "I hate OpenEmbedded too..."
2014-06-05T00:47:04 < gxti> (or even *in* the kernel, but that's just an extra step you don't want to put up with when developing)
2014-06-05T00:54:15 < josh532> OK, I see.
2014-06-05T00:54:37 < gxti> bottom line is stick to cross-compiling. you don't *really* want to compile shit on a 168mhz cpu with little RAM.
2014-06-05T00:54:46 < josh532> Yeah.
2014-06-05T00:54:47 < qyx_> or make romfs in the flash :X
2014-06-05T00:55:09 < gxti> actually initramfs is probably a bad idea because of how little RAM you have (i assume)
2014-06-05T00:55:35 < gxti> so romfs/cramfs/whatever is probably fine
2014-06-05T00:55:45 < qyx_> also there are filesystems with executuion-in-place
2014-06-05T00:56:17 < gxti> custom initramfs is a great way to do stupid tricks on PCs but maybe not so useful for embedded
2014-06-05T00:57:35 < josh532> Yes, can you recommend any books on this subject?
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2014-06-05T01:00:07 < karlp> baird: what do you mean by "I hate openembedded too" ?
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2014-06-05T01:06:05 < josh532> So is uclinux used the most or are other operating systems used on m4?
2014-06-05T01:06:10 < josh532> For embedded linux
2014-06-05T01:11:49 < gxti> since it doesn't have a MMU, uclinux is the *only* choice for linux on it.
2014-06-05T01:11:49 < josh532> Really literally no other choices for mmu-less linux?
2014-06-05T01:11:50 < gxti> as far as i know. it's a small market.
2014-06-05T01:11:50 < gxti> uclinux is kind of by definition linux without mmu requirement, they are equivalent concepts
2014-06-05T01:11:50 < josh532> Ahh OK
2014-06-05T01:11:50 < gxti> not like it's just another distro or something
2014-06-05T01:11:51 < josh532> Getcha.
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2014-06-05T01:21:15 < gxti> the default firmware on this beagleboner is kinda stupid. it's not turning on power to the usb host port, and if i plug in ethernet the hdmi shuts down.
2014-06-05T01:25:58 < Steffanx> A feature or power issues?
2014-06-05T01:26:30 < gxti> it's not the power supply, happens even if i use bench supply and everything runs normally. web interface and crap works etc.
2014-06-05T01:27:08 < gxti> but when i connect ethernet the HDMI shuts off a few seconds later, or if it was plugged in at boot i see the beagle logo and then nothing. so it's software issues.
2014-06-05T01:27:19 < gxti> will update firmware i guess
2014-06-05T01:27:54 < GargantuaSauce_> is there a serial terminal that's the default linux console? i'd be looking for output when you plug in ethernet
2014-06-05T01:27:58 < GargantuaSauce_> could be panicing or something
2014-06-05T01:28:19 < gxti> i should do that yes. but like i said it keeps running, gets dhcp, everything works. doesn't seem to be resetting or anything.
2014-06-05T01:28:27 < GargantuaSauce_> ah, weird
2014-06-05T01:29:26 < johntramp> hi    what is the typical cause of a hardFault ?
2014-06-05T01:31:35 < GargantuaSauce_> programming errors
2014-06-05T01:31:42 < johntramp> :) thanks
2014-06-05T01:31:51 < GargantuaSauce_> you're more than welcome
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2014-06-05T01:37:31 < Steffanx> I remember there was a gdb script around that could help you a bit with it. but i dont remember
2014-06-05T01:37:34 < Steffanx> where it was
2014-06-05T01:37:55 < GargantuaSauce_> oh oh i know! it was on pastebin
2014-06-05T01:38:07  * GargantuaSauce_ is super helpful today
2014-06-05T01:38:18 < Steffanx> karlp and/or Laurenceb stole it from zippe
2014-06-05T01:38:34 < karlp> zippe gave it to all of us
2014-06-05T01:39:02 < GargantuaSauce_> http://codepad.org/5tJwUjik ah found it
2014-06-05T01:39:18 < GargantuaSauce_> i was wrong >:|
2014-06-05T01:39:19 < karlp> search for vecstate on google
2014-06-05T01:39:51 < Steffanx> there it is i guess: https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/jtag/armv7m-macros.gdb
2014-06-05T01:41:57 < Steffanx> no one uses codepad GargantuaSauce_ :S
2014-06-05T01:42:13 < GargantuaSauce_> well blame whoever pasted that link in the first place
2014-06-05T01:42:19 < GargantuaSauce_> all i did was bookmark it
2014-06-05T01:42:40 < Steffanx> i blame you.
2014-06-05T01:42:45 < GargantuaSauce_> ;_;
2014-06-05T01:42:51 < GargantuaSauce_> i will try and atone for my sins
2014-06-05T01:43:12 < Steffanx> Good boy.
2014-06-05T01:44:00 < GargantuaSauce_> i can only hope i will one day find absolution
2014-06-05T01:45:04 < Steffanx> You're from canada, aren't you?
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2014-06-05T01:46:45 < GargantuaSauce_> yup
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2014-06-05T01:49:08 < karlp> https://github.com/PX4/Firmware/blob/master/Debug/ARMv7M is probably the original source
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2014-06-05T02:42:52 < aadamson> anyone remember what the connector is called that is a replacement for the debug connector it snaps into holes to hold it and you can then remove it and not need an actual header
2014-06-05T02:43:02 < aadamson> I think it uses pogopins or some such
2014-06-05T02:43:22 < aadamson> tag-connect... that's the one I'm after
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2014-06-05T02:54:48 < gxti> firmware updated, the usb host worked during the firmware flashing process but now it's off again. quality.
2014-06-05T02:55:21 < GargantuaSauce_> better upgrade to rpi
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2014-06-05T04:47:25 < upgrdman> dongs: i emailed the tweezer peoople. they say it's not polarized and can test polarized caps just fine.
2014-06-05T04:47:51 < dongs> cool
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2014-06-05T05:25:10 < dongs> haha
2014-06-05T05:25:17 < dongs> my chinagirl is bitching gmail/google is blocked
2014-06-05T05:25:19 < dongs> i check news
2014-06-05T05:25:37 < dongs> apparently china firewalled off all of google in preparation for some anniversary
2014-06-05T05:25:40 < dongs> http://jpupdates.com/2014/06/02/china-bans-google-ahead-tiananmen-anniversary/
2014-06-05T05:25:56 < emeb_mac> lol
2014-06-05T05:26:10 < emeb_mac> sucks to be them
2014-06-05T05:26:17 < dongs> definitely
2014-06-05T05:38:01 < owl-v-> omg.... my friend thinks changing screen resolution saves battery on smartphone, which is not!
2014-06-05T05:38:20 < owl-v-> battery life ^
2014-06-05T05:39:03 < owl-v-> it's the number of pixels that counts.
2014-06-05T05:39:46 < dongs> wat
2014-06-05T05:42:29 < gxti> everyone knows battery life drops with # of cat pictures
2014-06-05T05:42:35 < dongs> ^
2014-06-05T05:42:38 < dongs> also
2014-06-05T05:42:45 < dongs> why thye fuck did he buy a 2560x1440 screen phone
2014-06-05T05:42:51 < dongs> if all he was gonna bitch about was batery life
2014-06-05T05:42:57 < dongs> has anyone made a phone with eink screen yet
2014-06-05T05:43:09 < dongs> http://pbx.mine.nu/artwork/phone.png
2014-06-05T05:43:14 < dongs> 10 years ago
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2014-06-05T05:49:12 < gxti> beagleboner might be nice hardware but the lunix they ship with it is utter garbage
2014-06-05T05:49:19 < dongs> > lunix
2014-06-05T05:49:22 < dongs> isnt that obvious?
2014-06-05T05:50:31 < gxti> i can choose between debian which boots to an empty desktop with no toolbar or buttons or anything other than an error dialog because it came with a blank config file which is invalid, or angstrom which is some weird shit with out-of-date software
2014-06-05T05:50:47 < dongs> but its opensores
2014-06-05T05:50:49 < dongs> fix it yourself
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2014-06-05T05:51:15 < englishman> NO JAVA - lol
2014-06-05T05:53:53 < emeb_mac> gxti: I've always used angstrom.
2014-06-05T05:54:04 < upgrdman> what freq does the beagleboner proc run at?
2014-06-05T05:54:22 < gxti> ok here we go, deleted all the garbage in the default user's home and now it works
2014-06-05T05:54:31 < emeb_mac> it was pretty good back when, but IIRC it's deprecated for the Debian they use now.
2014-06-05T05:55:16 < gxti> yeah i'd rather use debian so i can install actual software instead of whatever embedded shit they think i might want
2014-06-05T05:55:27 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: CPU speed is somewhat tunable, but it's 1GHz these days
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2014-06-05T05:55:39 < upgrdman> sweet
2014-06-05T05:55:40 < gxti> omg overclock
2014-06-05T05:56:01 < emeb_mac> gxti: angstrom actually has a package system, but as you note it's not always the latest
2014-06-05T05:56:31 < upgrdman> do you know the gpio speed off the top of your head? i wonder if it could be used as a primitive dds function generator.
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2014-06-05T05:56:54 < emeb_mac> old beagleboards ran 500/600/800 MHz depending on silicon rev
2014-06-05T05:56:58 < gxti> unlike shitberry dicks it has actual microcontroller peripherals and stuff
2014-06-05T05:57:04 < owl-v-> gxti: number of cats is worked done by CPU+GPU, not the screen
2014-06-05T05:57:56 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: BBB has a set of co-processors called PRU that can run GPIO or other peripherals at up to 50MHz
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2014-06-05T05:58:14 < emeb_mac> some folks have used it for signal generation.
2014-06-05T05:58:20 < upgrdman> 50MHz? that's it? can't even the pi do >100MHz gpio?
2014-06-05T05:58:28 < dongs> pi? 100mhz?
2014-06-05T05:58:29 < dongs> are you joking?
2014-06-05T05:58:31 < dongs> 100khz maybe
2014-06-05T05:58:37 < emeb_mac> heh
2014-06-05T05:59:26 < owl-v-> dongs: my friend uses 'smartphone'
2014-06-05T05:59:45 < dongs> he should just get LG G3
2014-06-05T05:59:46 < dongs> and shut up
2014-06-05T06:00:45 < owl-v-> dongs: LG did amazing things on the LG G3 display
2014-06-05T06:02:29 < owl-v-> dongs: i agree with you. he should buy LG G3 and shut up.
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2014-06-05T06:15:24 < dongs> yep
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2014-06-05T07:36:25 < ds2> eh?
2014-06-05T07:36:32 < ds2> the PRUs can run it at 200MHz
2014-06-05T07:36:37 < ds2> and there is more then the PRU
2014-06-05T07:36:42 < ds2> there is also a Cortex-M3
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2014-06-05T08:11:04 < emeb_mac> ds2: thx for the clarification - I knew that PRUs were fast, but didn't know that they were that fast.
2014-06-05T08:11:42 < emeb_mac> and I know about the M3 but I thought it was primarily used for power management.
2014-06-05T08:14:15 < ds2> it is
2014-06-05T08:14:26 < ds2> but if you are not doing PM...
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2014-06-05T08:19:43 < emeb_mac> is there a kernel interface to it?
2014-06-05T08:19:54 < ds2> sort of
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2014-06-05T12:43:31 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/03/indiegogo_campaign/
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2014-06-05T12:45:22 < dongs> Laurenceb: you mean thats not your project?
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2014-06-05T12:45:40 < Laurenceb> no :-/
2014-06-05T12:51:59 < Laurenceb> crowd sauce
2014-06-05T12:54:46 < dongs> hm
2014-06-05T12:54:52 < dongs> still cant figure out hierarchical shit in altium properly
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2014-06-05T13:32:42 < __rob> anyone used xQueueSelectFromSet in FreeRTOS ?
2014-06-05T13:33:11 < __rob> for some reason its not selecting on an available semaphore, that I have performed xSemaphoreGive in another task
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2014-06-05T13:37:57 < jpa-> __rob: as a method to debug, try putting xSemaphoreGive() in the same thread.. if even that doesn't work, post the minimal code necessary to demonstrate the problem
2014-06-05T13:38:17 < __rob> https://sourceforge.net/p/freertos/discussion/382005/thread/3ba96868/
2014-06-05T13:38:41 < __rob> thats got all the relevant code, not a compileable example though
2014-06-05T13:39:02 < __rob> anything glaringly obvious there ?
2014-06-05T13:39:46 < jpa-> what is the value of device_queue_rx_size?
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2014-06-05T13:40:00 < jpa-> and why is the queue set size dependent on that?
2014-06-05T13:40:08 < __rob> 128
2014-06-05T13:41:06 < __rob> well they said in the docs ( http://www.freertos.org/xQueueCreateSet.html ) that it should be the cumulative size of the queues
2014-06-05T13:41:26 < jpa-> ah, yeah
2014-06-05T13:41:33 < __rob> I did originall have the queue set as 2, which was the same
2014-06-05T13:42:01 < __rob> whats confusing is as soon as the select times out, the semaphoreTake works without delay
2014-06-05T13:42:10 < __rob> and pdTRUE result, so it is available
2014-06-05T13:42:11 < jpa-> looks like it will take quite a lot of RAM to do it that way
2014-06-05T13:42:54 < __rob> I was going to go with the 2nd option that they give here (http://www.freertos.org/Pend-on-multiple-rtos-objects.html)
2014-06-05T13:43:03 < __rob> but not this doesn't work, I want to know why
2014-06-05T13:43:10 < __rob> but now*
2014-06-05T13:43:36 < __rob> or I'll just have the same issue later down the line, when I do have to use a QueueSet
2014-06-05T13:43:41 < jpa-> true
2014-06-05T13:44:23 < jpa-> humm
2014-06-05T13:44:30 < __rob> also, between the SemaphoreGive and the select timeout, its in the idle task
2014-06-05T13:44:44 < __rob> so its working, just not updaing the queueset to be runnable for some reason
2014-06-05T13:44:46 < jpa-> is your xQueueAddToSet call wrong way around?
2014-06-05T13:45:23 < __rob> ++jpa-
2014-06-05T13:45:27 < __rob> :)
2014-06-05T13:45:41 < __rob> nicely spotted - thanks :)
2014-06-05T13:45:42 < jpa-> void* is so annoying :)
2014-06-05T13:45:53 < jpa-> especially when typedeffed to look safe
2014-06-05T13:45:54 < __rob> yea, I'm so used to c++ and type safety
2014-06-05T13:46:02 < __rob> didn't even think to look at that
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2014-06-05T13:47:09 < edmont> hi
2014-06-05T13:47:17 < jpa-> hello
2014-06-05T13:48:53 < __rob> right, that works perfectly
2014-06-05T13:48:56 < __rob> thanks alot
2014-06-05T13:49:04 < __rob> .. now to delete the code
2014-06-05T13:49:13 < edmont> how to specify the polynomial for CRC calculation (CRCPR)?
2014-06-05T13:49:37 < edmont> i'm trying to use this one: http://www.nongnu.org/avr-libc/user-manual/group__util__crc.html#ga37b2f691ebbd917e36e40b096f78d996
2014-06-05T13:49:51 < edmont> Polynomial: x^8 + x^5 + x^4 + 1 (0x8C)
2014-06-05T13:50:31 < karlp> edmont: on which target?
2014-06-05T13:50:37 < edmont> but loading 0x8c to the register generates a different crc than the code
2014-06-05T13:50:44 < karlp> oh, you're on a target that lets you change the polynomial
2014-06-05T13:50:55 < edmont> karlp: L152VB
2014-06-05T13:50:58 < edmont> SPI, btw
2014-06-05T13:51:05 < jpa-> there are several ways to represent crc polynomials
2014-06-05T13:51:09 < karlp> there's been lots of complaints about the endianness and byte reversals and general awkwardness of the crc
2014-06-05T13:51:31 < __rob> edmont, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynomial_representations_of_cyclic_redundancy_checks
2014-06-05T13:51:35 < __rob> your polynomial is on there
2014-06-05T13:51:36 < edmont> the problem is that's not specified in the datasheet
2014-06-05T13:51:46 < __rob>  normal / reversed / reverse of reciprocal
2014-06-05T13:51:53 < __rob> maybe they expect it in a different format
2014-06-05T13:51:56 < edmont> 0x31 / 0x8C / 0x98
2014-06-05T13:51:59 < edmont> cool
2014-06-05T13:52:06 < jpa-> "more magic values to try!"
2014-06-05T13:52:14 < edmont> i reduced the possibilities from 256 to 3 :)
2014-06-05T13:52:15 < edmont> thx
2014-06-05T13:54:18 < edmont> none of them work :(
2014-06-05T13:54:50 < jpa-> maybe it is endianness or something issue
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2014-06-05T14:20:39 < zyp> remember that even with the same polynomial you have a ton of convention variants
2014-06-05T14:20:53 < zyp> like inverting all bits or reversing the bit order
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2014-06-05T14:37:53 < jpa-> and initialization values
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2014-06-05T15:11:35 < dongs> ok
2014-06-05T15:11:39 < dongs> editing pins inside schematic works
2014-06-05T15:11:45 < dongs> and doesn't kill the schlib defaults
2014-06-05T15:11:50 < dongs> thats kinda nice
2014-06-05T15:12:11 < dongs> attn Laurenceb__ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/04/raspberry_pi_autopilot/ what could possibly go wrong
2014-06-05T15:12:21 < Laurenceb__> haha
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2014-06-05T15:27:07 < zyp> dongs, the stuff to korea is on the way now
2014-06-05T15:27:19 < zyp> customs just wanted to dick around with it for two weeks, apparently
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2014-06-05T15:42:03 < dongs> nice
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2014-06-05T16:01:11 < BullDoger> dongs, Are they trying to do that without an rtos?
2014-06-05T16:03:58 < dongs> ?
2014-06-05T16:04:06 < dongs> do you think i actualyl read the article?
2014-06-05T16:05:18 < BullDoger> Nope lol. Kind of suicidal.
2014-06-05T16:07:30 < Laurenceb__> yeah lol
2014-06-05T16:07:57 < zyp> «the modest $6,000 it needs to press ahead with production of the unit»
2014-06-05T16:19:32 < dongs> jsut spnt 3 hours trying to figure out why altium wasn't placing a chip on pcb
2014-06-05T16:19:38 < dongs> reason: it had no footprint
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2014-06-05T16:27:20 < dongs> why the fuck do opensores projects publish gerber files
2014-06-05T16:27:22 < dongs> err
2014-06-05T16:27:24 < dongs> eagle files
2014-06-05T16:27:29 < dongs> its not like anyone can actually DO anythign wiht them
2014-06-05T16:32:13 < zyp> you mean like opening them in eagle?
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2014-06-05T16:34:35 < dongs> its not like you can acutalyl do anythign with the shit
2014-06-05T16:34:37 < dongs> once its in eagle
2014-06-05T16:34:41 < dongs> fucking thing is beyond useless
2014-06-05T16:34:44 < dongs> you cant evne measure patterns
2014-06-05T16:34:45 < dongs> or anything]
2014-06-05T16:45:13 < Laurenceb__> more like last measure patterns
2014-06-05T16:46:52 < englishman> you can import to diptrace
2014-06-05T16:48:00 < dongs> it looks fucking nasty.
2014-06-05T16:48:10 < dongs> plus dont you have to run some shitty script
2014-06-05T16:48:12 < dongs> on eagle side
2014-06-05T16:48:13 < dongs>  to export
2014-06-05T16:48:21 < dongs> anyway, wahtever, problem solved
2014-06-05T16:48:33 < dongs> apparently TI has SSOP24 in 2 flavors, DB and DBQ, one is wider
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2014-06-05T17:25:32 < dongs> whats everyone's favorite lipo charger IC i can use to charge say 5Ah batt
2014-06-05T17:25:38 < dongs> (and not take 30 hours
2014-06-05T17:35:12 < Alexer-> dongs, well you could - I don't know - maybe *export* it from eagle (just a thought) and maybe even *import* it into the software of your choice, or something
2014-06-05T17:35:37 < Alexer-> and if you don't want to touch eagle at all, you can use https://github.com/alexer/pyeagle ;)
2014-06-05T17:36:04 < zyp> I've heard dongs loves python
2014-06-05T17:36:19 < Alexer-> but the newer eagle versions actually use xml for saving now, from what I've heard
2014-06-05T17:36:44 < Alexer-> someone should've told me that *before* I wrote pyeagle :P
2014-06-05T17:38:07 < Alexer-> but it's always "is there something to do X?" *tumbleweeds* "so I wrote this softw-" "are you stupid, you could've just used Y!" >:)
2014-06-05T17:39:25 < Alexer-> (but really, I would've probably done it anyway, so this is just me throwing a monologue because that's just what I do)
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2014-06-05T17:47:28 < __rob> dongs, I wrote an eagle python wrapper that lets you use the whole of the eagle scripting API in python
2014-06-05T17:47:37 < __rob> worked quite well, not super fast, but got the job done
2014-06-05T17:48:23 < __rob> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFVXop7sGHc
2014-06-05T17:48:56 < __rob> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w7CECR7Dv8 was a dxf importer
2014-06-05T17:50:40 < __rob> shame they don't provide python in it already, and a proper toolset.. found the alignment thing and group selection very handy
2014-06-05T18:00:13 < dongs> shame eagle still exists
2014-06-05T18:03:16 < dongs> ugh
2014-06-05T18:03:25 < dongs> align rooms left: only aligns a ctual fucking ROOMS and not components inside
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2014-06-05T18:03:28 < dongs> whats hte FUCKING POINT THEN???
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2014-06-05T18:04:07 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bTUu4ZLtDSs#t=319
2014-06-05T18:05:21 < karlp> time link isn't working :(
2014-06-05T18:05:43 < gnomad> because # not &
2014-06-05T18:06:56 < karlp> no, I redid it myself with youtube's onw "get link to current time" and it didnt' work either
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2014-06-05T18:08:03 < gnomad> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bTUu4ZLtDSs&t=319s
2014-06-05T18:08:20 < gnomad> (fixed manually)
2014-06-05T18:08:32 < karlp> yes, that works, but youtube's own player right click menu isn't working, which is odd
2014-06-05T18:08:57 < gnomad> Google is as bad as Yahoo at breaking things these days
2014-06-05T18:09:24 < gnomad> Google can't seem to touch anything without fucking it up anymore.
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2014-06-05T23:32:45 < Get_started_stm3> Hello
2014-06-05T23:34:32 < Get_started_stm3> What are all the free toolchains I can use to develop code for this microcontroller?
2014-06-05T23:38:03 < zyp> if you're referring to gcc, this is what you should use: https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/
2014-06-05T23:40:00 < Get_started_stm3> I'm trying to see what are my options with regard to free toolchains
2014-06-05T23:41:26 < Get_started_stm3> Is gcc the most commonly used toolchain?
2014-06-05T23:43:07 < synic>  it's the most common free one
2014-06-05T23:43:25 < synic> dunno about otherwise.
2014-06-05T23:44:07 < Get_started_stm3> I see
2014-06-05T23:45:07 < zyp> Get_started_stm3, free as in free software or free as in no cost?
2014-06-05T23:46:06 < zyp> because there's a restricted no-cost version of keil uvision, that's somewhat popular
2014-06-05T23:48:21 < Get_started_stm3> Let's say free as in without any intent to make profit from it
2014-06-05T23:49:29 < zyp> what's your preferred OS for development?
2014-06-05T23:50:09 < Get_started_stm3> Either Windows or Linux is fine
2014-06-05T23:50:46 < englishman> windows: keil is free for <32k link size
2014-06-05T23:50:52 < englishman> gets you going
2014-06-05T23:52:04 < zyp> yeah, keil is only an option on windows, gcc runs on anything
2014-06-05T23:52:42 < karlp> crossworks is multiplatform isn' it?
2014-06-05T23:54:44 < Get_started_stm3> Is there any good step by step tutorial to get a hello world compiled using gcc for our device?
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2014-06-06T00:13:21 < karlp> make && make flash ?
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2014-06-06T00:27:30 < gnomad> Get_started_stm3: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/~geobrown/book.pdf
2014-06-06T00:29:19 < aadamson> There are lots of getting started blogs, how-to's etc online using eclipse, gcc, and your debugger of choice.  Easiest way is a) eclipse, b) gnugcc plugin for it which now includes template for basic freescale and st parts and support to openocd or seggers jlink
2014-06-06T00:29:58 < aadamson> when you create a project it builds the skeleton code including *blinky* - but none of which is in Arduino!
2014-06-06T00:30:27 < aadamson> oh and ^ c) launchpad gnu gcc for arm
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2014-06-06T00:38:22 < Get_started_stm3> gnomad: might be exactly what I was looking for. Thanks
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2014-06-06T00:45:47 < englishman> gnomad: nice, will read that
2014-06-06T00:46:32 < englishman> its in LaTeX so you know it has to be good
2014-06-06T00:49:50 < synic> Get_started_stm3: do you already have a uC?
2014-06-06T00:50:47 < synic> looks like this book is only for F1, but getting started was so confusing it might actually be better just to buy an F1 even if you already have one of the other ones
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2014-06-06T02:46:11 < baird_> Joyifications! .. Got the old F4 Disco projects all working with the latest TNT and libraries. My 6502 simulator is 53% faster with gcc-4.9.0, too.
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2014-06-06T03:16:51 < Steffanx> yay baird :)
2014-06-06T03:18:32 < Steffanx> but it's alll crap compared to armcc ofcourse
2014-06-06T03:18:43 < zyp> of course
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2014-06-06T03:28:03 < baird> st-flash write is complaning about alignment, for content that's 256-byte page aligned and being written to RAM.. ?
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2014-06-06T04:35:06 < dongs> sup pros
2014-06-06T04:36:06 < upgrdman> dongs: did you buy the smart tweezers?
2014-06-06T04:38:14 < dongs> upgrdman: no, waiting for your review :)(
2014-06-06T04:38:21 < upgrdman> good. wait.
2014-06-06T04:38:28 < upgrdman> mine fucking crash within a minute of use :(
2014-06-06T04:38:36 < dongs> lolwat
2014-06-06T04:38:42 < dongs> how?
2014-06-06T04:38:49 < dongs> like if you measure x times, it dies?
2014-06-06T04:38:55 < upgrdman> took a video, uploading to youtube now. will also contact them.
2014-06-06T04:38:56 < zyp> how do you crash tweezers?
2014-06-06T04:39:02 < dongs> HEADCRASH
2014-06-06T04:39:03 < upgrdman> the lcd just stops updating.
2014-06-06T04:39:11 < zyp> tweezers with lcd?
2014-06-06T04:39:13 < upgrdman> zyp: LCR meter in tweezer package
2014-06-06T04:39:18 < zyp> ah
2014-06-06T04:39:38 < upgrdman> repeatedly plugging/unplugging the charger finally gets it to reset.
2014-06-06T04:39:50 < upgrdman> video should be done uploading in 20 - 40 mins... my upload bandwidth fucking sucks.
2014-06-06T04:41:09 < upgrdman> zyp: this is what i'm talking about: http://www.advancedevices.com/
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2014-06-06T04:44:34 < dongs> this is pretty cool
2014-06-06T04:44:37 < dongs> we should clone the idea
2014-06-06T04:44:38 < dongs> for half price
2014-06-06T04:44:40 < dongs> and dickstart it
2014-06-06T04:44:54 < upgrdman> ya.
2014-06-06T04:44:55 < dongs> special non-crashing version
2014-06-06T04:45:03 < upgrdman> it was fucking awesome for about 45 seconds. quick readings. seemed very accurate too.
2014-06-06T04:49:04 < upgrdman> i fucking hate my isp. oh, it looks like you're uploading at 2Mbps, so i'll go ahread and throttle your downloads to 5KBps. because fuck you.
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2014-06-06T05:03:05 < dongs> loldongs
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2014-06-06T05:35:43 < Getting_started_> Can I use mingw compiler for stm32?
2014-06-06T05:36:28 < zyp> uh
2014-06-06T05:36:43 < zyp> that's a weird question to ask
2014-06-06T05:36:51 < zyp> can you elaborate on it?
2014-06-06T05:36:52 < gxti> simple answer though
2014-06-06T05:37:18 < gxti> no. no, you can't.
2014-06-06T05:37:34 < zippe> The question is more likely "using mingw, can I run a compiler that will target stm32"?
2014-06-06T05:37:49 < zippe> To which the answer is yes, you can. But you may not be happy with the performance of that environment in general.
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2014-06-06T05:38:05 < Getting_started_> Ah
2014-06-06T05:38:17 < upgrdman> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHHs2yssAlo
2014-06-06T05:38:52 < zyp> Getting_started_, if you want to use gcc to target stm32 on windows, you can use the windows build of this: https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/
2014-06-06T05:39:16 < zippe> Getting_started_: There's a tutorial here on setting up Eclipse + a pre-built mingw environment for stm32 development
2014-06-06T05:39:17 < zippe> http://pixhawk.org/dev/toolchain_installation_win
2014-06-06T05:39:35 < zippe> Some pieces are specific to the PX4 firmware, but most of it is just generic toolchain stuff.
2014-06-06T05:48:19 < Getting_started_> Ok thanks
2014-06-06T05:50:35 < dongs> upgrdman: wow that thing sucks dick
2014-06-06T05:50:38 < dongs> so crash
2014-06-06T05:50:41 < dongs> unimpressive
2014-06-06T05:50:59 < upgrdman> ya :(
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2014-06-06T05:52:38 < zyp> that lens cap looks familiar
2014-06-06T05:55:28 < upgrdman> canon
2014-06-06T05:56:23 < zyp> which lens?
2014-06-06T05:56:30 < dongs> probably default?
2014-06-06T05:56:36 < dongs> :)
2014-06-06T05:56:42 < upgrdman> not a kit lens
2014-06-06T05:56:47 < upgrdman> lemme look
2014-06-06T05:57:07 < zyp> it's obviously an USM lens
2014-06-06T05:57:27 < upgrdman> 28-135    http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_28_135mm_f_3_5_5_6_is_usm
2014-06-06T05:57:35 < zyp> ah
2014-06-06T06:01:37 < dongs> http://rare.us/story/this-is-the-last-bullet-youll-ever-need-watch-and-see-the-technology-for-yourself/ this is what americans need more of
2014-06-06T06:01:41 < dongs> for school shootings
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2014-06-06T07:08:47 < upgrdman> wow. i emailed the tweezer people, and a girl replied in under 30 minutes. said current stock seems fine, will have the engineers look at my video. should have a reply tomorrow.
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2014-06-06T07:20:49 < baird> A girl!
2014-06-06T07:23:09 < Getting_started_> I installed the GNU arm embedded toolchain
2014-06-06T07:23:29 < Getting_started_> How do I get my project to compile?
2014-06-06T07:23:42 < upgrdman> what os?
2014-06-06T07:23:53 < Getting_started_> Windows 7
2014-06-06T07:24:31 < upgrdman> i use linux. not sure if this helps, but here's my old notes on getting the f4 going in linux:
2014-06-06T07:24:51 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2012-06-01_First_Steps_with_the_STM32F4_in_Linux_%28Part_1%29/
2014-06-06T07:25:09 < Getting_started_> Ok thanks
2014-06-06T07:25:59 < upgrdman> i'm guessing most windows people won't like makefiles. i'm sure google and help you setup an ide. google "free windows toolchain for stm32f4" or something like that.
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2014-06-06T07:34:48 < baird> The house has a robot maid.. She cleans the floors, serves drinks, and is a landing pad for my remote-control helicopters..
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2014-06-06T07:37:22 < ossifrage> anyone know if the jtag interface on any of the discovery boards can be hacked to run at 1.8V?
2014-06-06T07:40:56 < zyp> no, they can't
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2014-06-06T07:41:30 < zyp> they are just plain gpio pins on the stlink chip
2014-06-06T07:45:19 < dongs> why do you need 1.8V jtag
2014-06-06T07:47:00 < zyp> presumably to interface with a 1.8V system
2014-06-06T07:48:32 < ossifrage> The stlink boards are the cheapest path to jtag. I'm working on a board with a nrf51822 and someone got openocd to talk to a nrf51 via stlink
2014-06-06T07:48:53 < ossifrage> for various reasons I'm running the nrf in low power mode so all the IOs are 1.8V
2014-06-06T07:49:38 < ossifrage> I guess I can make a board with a 1.8 to 3.3V auto sensing level shifter, but I was hoping for a cheaper solution
2014-06-06T07:50:22 < zyp> what about just buying an adapter with a level shifter?
2014-06-06T07:51:08 < ossifrage> yeah, that is what I'm going to do, but I'm looking for a cheap solution for casual users (assuming I try to sell this board)
2014-06-06T07:51:15 < dongs> i think the part where he thinks a level shifting adapter is "not a cheaper solution" you probably not gonna get anywehre suggesting a proper device
2014-06-06T07:51:57 < dongs> ooo, i got forwarded PCIE M2 spec
2014-06-06T07:52:13 < zyp> you could build a BMP derivate based on the stm32f072 or something and hook vddio2 to 1.8V
2014-06-06T07:54:38 < ossifrage> The only thing the discovery boards have going for them is that they are dirt cheap and relatively available.
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2014-06-06T07:56:08 < zyp> your time must be rather worthless if you have to dick around with hooking up a discovery board every time you want to debug something
2014-06-06T07:56:51 < dongs> pretty sure shit like jlink can have vddio and it'll level shift apropriately
2014-06-06T07:57:02 < dongs> the vdd_target or wahtever shti
2014-06-06T07:57:06 < ossifrage> I got a BMP for a STM32F1 design and the thing never worked right, ended up just using the STLINK and it worked fine
2014-06-06T07:57:14 < ossifrage> (for small values of fine)
2014-06-06T07:57:17 < zyp> dongs, yes, that's exactly what it's for
2014-06-06T07:57:48 < ossifrage> I valued my time enough to stop fucking around trying to get the BMP to work righ
2014-06-06T07:58:12 < dongs> your first mistake was getting BMP in teh first place
2014-06-06T07:58:18 < dongs> for ~60 or wahtever you can get jlink-edu
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2014-06-06T07:59:36 < ossifrage> It wasn't my money and several folks recommended it...
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2014-06-06T07:59:57 < dongs> opensores zealots like to recommend stuff that doesnt work, just take a look at lunix :)
2014-06-06T08:03:37 < Viper168> republican economic policies?
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2014-06-06T08:34:26 < emeb_mac> dongs: ever seen a connector like this? http://store.comet.bg/en/Catalogue/Product/4727/
2014-06-06T08:34:27 < dongs> is it just crimpoed shit?
2014-06-06T08:34:27 < dongs> thats the plug end?
2014-06-06T08:34:27 < dongs> i've seen plenty of 1.25mm shit thats crimped, not that specific one no
2014-06-06T08:34:27 < emeb_mac> right
2014-06-06T08:34:27 < emeb_mac> used for a programming cable on some Olimex junk
2014-06-06T08:34:27 < dongs> shitty polish connectors
2014-06-06T08:34:27 < dongs> that nobody else uses
2014-06-06T08:34:27 < emeb_mac> looks like
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < emeb_mac> there's some similar looking stuff @ DK, but hard to tell for sure
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < dongs> does regular JST-whateverthefuckish not fit there?
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < emeb_mac> dunno
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < emeb_mac> might get some random ones to try.
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < emeb_mac> better than buying from Hungary or whatever...
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < dongs> for sure
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < dongs> molex picoblade might just fit
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < dongs> the usual shit
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < dongs> they're also similar flat blade, 1.25mm poitch
2014-06-06T08:36:26 < emeb_mac> yeah - saw those. Probably give a try.
2014-06-06T08:38:27 < emeb_mac> netsplits for everyone!
2014-06-06T08:38:39 < emeb_mac> dongs: Molex Picoblade looks like a pretty good match.
2014-06-06T08:38:45 < dongs> right
2014-06-06T08:38:57 < emeb_mac> pix on DK site look almost identical
2014-06-06T08:39:02 < dongs> cool
2014-06-06T08:39:06 < emeb_mac> thx for advice
2014-06-06T08:39:11 < dongs> ^_^
2014-06-06T08:39:43 < dongs> now recommend me a lipo charger IC that can do <= 5C charge for 5Ah batt
2014-06-06T08:40:05 < zyp> so 25A?
2014-06-06T08:40:34 < dongs> shit, thats a lot
2014-06-06T08:40:40 < dongs> maybe i dont need it to be that fast.
2014-06-06T08:40:41 < zyp> yes
2014-06-06T08:42:28 < dongs> hmm it would be a fair bit even at 1C
2014-06-06T08:42:34 < dongs> wtf
2014-06-06T08:42:37 < dongs> what am i gonna do
2014-06-06T08:42:49 < dongs> this dumb thing basically needs 5Ah batt to last more than an hour or so
2014-06-06T08:43:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/xNrumSp.png hall sensor array of dooooooooooooooom. i finally got bus name shit figured out
2014-06-06T08:43:53 < dongs> had to stop using Repeat()
2014-06-06T08:43:58 < dongs> but now everythign is properly conencted at least
2014-06-06T08:44:36 < zyp> wow
2014-06-06T08:45:14 < dongs> rooms = awesome
2014-06-06T08:45:25 < zyp> heh
2014-06-06T08:45:33 < zyp> I always turn them off
2014-06-06T08:45:54 < dongs> yes, not always needed
2014-06-06T08:45:55 < zyp> but then I don't make boards looking like that
2014-06-06T08:46:00 < dongs> but repeated blocks = amaze for rooms
2014-06-06T08:46:25 < zyp> what's that shit for?
2014-06-06T08:46:34 < dongs> detecting position of some shit on top of it
2014-06-06T08:46:43 < zyp> the stuff you talked about before?
2014-06-06T08:46:46 < dongs> yes
2014-06-06T08:46:51 < zyp> I forgot what that was
2014-06-06T08:46:57 < dongs> i told them that any solution that didnt involve 420 hall sensors ICs would probably be cehaper
2014-06-06T08:47:00 < dongs> but they didnt sem to care
2014-06-06T08:47:07 < dongs> as tehy already "prototyped" hall version and were satisfied with results
2014-06-06T08:47:19 < zyp> heh
2014-06-06T08:47:45 < zyp> how does those hook up?
2014-06-06T08:47:57 < jpa-> why isn't the array a regular grid?
2014-06-06T08:48:00 < dongs> i power up each row
2014-06-06T08:48:15 < dongs> there are 30 columns
2014-06-06T08:48:20 < dongs> 15/ea going to 16:1 multiplexer
2014-06-06T08:48:37 < dongs> so i have 2 adc out + 3 row control + 4 column selector
2014-06-06T08:48:42 < dongs> to scan the grid
2014-06-06T08:48:45 < dongs> jpa-: part of the deal
2014-06-06T08:49:08 < zyp> ah
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2014-06-06T08:51:38 < dongs> i duno i mean, it might just work
2014-06-06T08:52:13 < dongs> there areTWO of these per box
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2014-06-06T08:58:05 < emeb_mac> amaze
2014-06-06T08:58:23 < dongs> amazingly stupid,yes
2014-06-06T08:58:28 < emeb_mac> that too
2014-06-06T08:59:18 < dongs> it was prototyped wiht tarduino and niggerberypi :(
2014-06-06T08:59:39 < emeb_mac> arduino all the things.
2014-06-06T08:59:42 < dongs> PI was used to do bluetooth shit from tarduino via serial
2014-06-06T08:59:49 < dongs> (not sure wht hte fuck they dint just do bt directly off  tarduino
2014-06-06T08:59:56 < emeb_mac> ya
2014-06-06T09:04:03 < emeb_mac> meh - client wants a design done with PIC32
2014-06-06T09:04:13 < emeb_mac> upside - they're really cheap
2014-06-06T09:04:15 < dongs> hire owl-v-
2014-06-06T09:04:42 < owl-v-> dongs: oh no...
2014-06-06T09:04:52 < emeb_mac> weird fact - PIC32 is cheaper than equivalent RAM/FLASH PIC24
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2014-06-06T09:08:23 < owl-v-> emeb_mac: PIC24 has better peripherals.
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2014-06-06T09:11:52 < owl-v-> emeb_mac: meaning.... PIC24 is more advanced as a MCU than PIC32MX is
2014-06-06T09:13:27 < emeb_mac> heh
2014-06-06T09:13:31 < emeb_mac> could be
2014-06-06T09:13:45 < emeb_mac> or it's on an older / more expensive process
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2014-06-06T09:23:24 < owl-v-> i don't think it's the price of processor.
2014-06-06T09:24:15 < emeb_mac> *process* not process-or
2014-06-06T09:24:18 < owl-v-> new PIC24 have new peripherals,  which makes PIC32 look older than PIC24.
2014-06-06T09:24:25 < emeb_mac> ie - the fab line it's built on
2014-06-06T09:25:42 < emeb_mac> PIC24 is larger feature size, takes more silicon for given function.
2014-06-06T09:27:11 < emeb_mac> Generally not impressed with PICs
2014-06-06T09:27:29 < emeb_mac> but they do have a nice feature vs STM32 - full peripheral pin muxing.
2014-06-06T09:27:54 < emeb_mac> put any periph signal on any pin. not limited to certain pins as on STM32
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2014-06-06T09:41:03 < owl-v-> emeb_mac: yes, PIC24 seems to have better peripherals.
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2014-06-06T09:42:07 < owl-v-> cortex-m has nested-interrupt-vector...
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2014-06-06T09:44:22 < owl-v-> dongs: emeb_mac: here is a better tarduino >> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardZero
2014-06-06T09:44:40 < dongs> useless
2014-06-06T09:44:41 < dongs> still shitmel
2014-06-06T09:44:46 < jpa-> like owls, interrupts are much happier when they have a warm nest
2014-06-06T09:46:03 < emeb_mac> arduino. meh
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2014-06-06T09:46:34 < owl-v-> lol, warm nest
2014-06-06T09:47:01 < jpa-> Arduino Meh will have atmel zmega hyper controller
2014-06-06T09:47:10 < jpa-> available in 2016
2014-06-06T09:47:15 < owl-v-> warm nest prerequisite: mama bird
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2014-06-06T09:47:30 < emeb_mac> lol jpa
2014-06-06T09:50:36 < ds2> do any of the pseudo OS's on the stm32 support ssh/scp?
2014-06-06T09:51:17 < jpa-> uclinux definitely does
2014-06-06T09:51:35 < ds2> anything else?
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2014-06-06T09:52:01 < jpa-> probably not out-of-the-box, but nothing stops you from compiling dropbear for anything
2014-06-06T09:52:31 < jpa-> nuttx might be quite easy to target, as it is quite posixy
2014-06-06T09:53:02 < dongs> lol nuttx
2014-06-06T09:55:19 < ds2> ah
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2014-06-06T09:55:43 < ds2> sounds like my quickest path is to throw an cortex-a board at it
2014-06-06T09:56:06 < jpa-> sure, if you can
2014-06-06T09:56:45 < jpa-> might also use one of those "linux in a network plug" modules
2014-06-06T09:56:56 < ds2> those are uCLinux, IIRC
2014-06-06T09:57:02 < jpa-> so?
2014-06-06T09:57:35 < ds2> trying to do something quickly...uClinux takes time to tune
2014-06-06T09:57:59 < jpa-> then use a raspi :)
2014-06-06T09:58:01 < ds2> wonder if the avrs have stuff
2014-06-06T09:58:03 < ds2> blah
2014-06-06T09:58:09 < jpa-> or beagleboard
2014-06-06T09:58:13 < ds2> I said cortex-a
2014-06-06T09:58:17 < ds2> not arm11 trash
2014-06-06T09:58:39 < jpa-> because you need absolute maximum ssh power for the wins?
2014-06-06T09:58:47 < jpa-> instead of cheap and simple way to get the job done
2014-06-06T09:59:00 < ds2> trying to see how well will turning a device that exports itself as mass storage into a network accessible one work
2014-06-06T09:59:20 < ds2> no, I need something that isn't trash
2014-06-06T09:59:41 < ds2> a cortex-m has enough horses
2014-06-06T10:00:03 < jpa-> might as well put a small wireless access point on it, many offer usb mass storage sharing out-of-the-box
2014-06-06T10:00:40 < ds2> i like that idea
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2014-06-06T10:00:49 < ds2> put openwrt on it and be done with
2014-06-06T10:01:00 < jpa-> yep
2014-06-06T10:01:10 < ds2> thanks...somehow that just escaped my thoughts
2014-06-06T10:01:23 < jpa-> though of course many of the CPUs on those are old MIPS or otherwise trash ;)
2014-06-06T10:02:33 < emeb_mac> this conversation starts to sound familiar
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2014-06-06T10:15:39 < owl-v-> non-trash cpu >> http://www.minnowboard.org/meet-minnowboard-max/
2014-06-06T10:15:43 < owl-v-> atom
2014-06-06T10:15:58 < dongs> trash
2014-06-06T10:16:05 < owl-v-> no..........
2014-06-06T10:16:12 < dongs> what the fuck can you do on it
2014-06-06T10:16:14 < dongs> other than run lunix
2014-06-06T10:16:15 < dongs> NOTHING
2014-06-06T10:16:26 < owl-v-> run bsd
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2014-06-06T10:16:27 < jpa-> and takes more power than arm
2014-06-06T10:16:31 < dongs> ^
2014-06-06T10:16:44 < owl-v-> better on number crunching
2014-06-06T10:16:55 < dongs> you dont buy a shitty board like that for number crunching
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2014-06-06T10:16:58 < jpa-> not really
2014-06-06T10:17:21 < jpa-> does atom even have sse2?
2014-06-06T10:17:22 < owl-v-> 64bit
2014-06-06T10:17:48 < jpa-> and what number crunching are you going to do? ssh definitely doesn't need that much
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2014-06-06T10:22:20 < owl-v-> jpa-: yes to sse2 >> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Atom/Intel-Atom%20E3845.html
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2014-06-06T17:00:16 < zyp> dongs, received stuff
2014-06-06T17:00:37 < dongs> eh, the  assembled shit?
2014-06-06T17:00:38 < dongs> that was fast
2014-06-06T17:00:50 < dongs> did you find all the other related crap?
2014-06-06T17:00:54 < zyp> yep
2014-06-06T17:01:07 < zyp> couple of questions about this f3 board
2014-06-06T17:01:12 < dongs> yep
2014-06-06T17:01:14 < zyp> 1: got schematic?
2014-06-06T17:01:29 < zyp> and what's this 3pin socket intended for?
2014-06-06T17:01:35 < dongs> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6obTnNhsMxJa0ZuLUpxT0pJVjQ/edit got this, if need mroe i can pdf schematic thing later
2014-06-06T17:02:06 < dongs> its jst-zh plug, gnd/power/and a pin goes to timer/uart/somethingelsei canterembmer
2014-06-06T17:02:27 < zyp> pdf schematic would be nice, although no hurry since I'm not going to do anything with it right now
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2014-06-06T17:03:09 < zyp> so what do you normally use it for? rx?
2014-06-06T17:03:29 < zyp> and what's a nice rx nowadays?
2014-06-06T17:03:46 < dongs> no just for wahtever
2014-06-06T17:03:59 < dongs> i duno i use frsky stuff
2014-06-06T17:04:36 < zyp> I'd like something that works without a ton of wires or any other bullshit
2014-06-06T17:05:20 < dongs> so ppm or any serial-bsed stuff sbus/spektrumsat
2014-06-06T17:05:30 < dongs> depends what you ahve for transmitter
2014-06-06T17:06:13 < zyp> I got a turnigy 9x somewhere, so I guess anything that comes in JR modules is good
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2014-06-06T17:06:22 < dongs> frsky djt module then.
2014-06-06T17:06:28 < dongs> and any of thier ppm/sbus receivers
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2014-06-06T17:07:38 < zyp> how does sbus work? a serial protocol sounds nicer than dicking around with ppm
2014-06-06T17:07:45 < dongs> yeah
2014-06-06T17:07:47 < dongs> just serial
2014-06-06T17:07:51 < dongs> 120000 baud or something
2014-06-06T17:08:09 < dongs> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/sbus.c simple
2014-06-06T17:08:32 < dongs> (and abuse of bitfields in structs :p
2014-06-06T17:08:37 < zyp> ugh
2014-06-06T17:08:58 < zyp> 11-bit?
2014-06-06T17:09:03 < zyp> wtf
2014-06-06T17:09:18 < dongs> 2048 resolution
2014-06-06T17:09:40 < zyp> but 11-bit packed
2014-06-06T17:10:13 < zyp> sounds ugly
2014-06-06T17:10:34 < dongs> but efficient
2014-06-06T17:10:37 < dongs> for rf
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2014-06-06T19:35:15 < zippe> The further away the better
2014-06-06T19:35:51 < talsit> then he would be in the middle of the antartic
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2014-06-06T20:13:36 < zippe> Hmm, no, he'd be somewhere near MH370
2014-06-06T20:15:14 < zippe> Since the antipodean USA is smack bang in the middle of the Indian Ocean
2014-06-06T20:15:17 < Laurenceb_> what does hackaday mooltipass actually do
2014-06-06T20:15:53 < Laurenceb_> and why the smartcard...
2014-06-06T20:18:33 < zippe> It's a very large password protected USB memory stick that only talks to a browser plugin
2014-06-06T20:18:52 < GargantuaSauce_> sounds bulletproof
2014-06-06T20:19:09 < zippe> … requires the extra carbon-kevlar enclosure
2014-06-06T20:21:37 < Laurenceb_> i was thinking the smart way would use a chip+pin card
2014-06-06T20:21:42 < Laurenceb_> for verification
2014-06-06T20:21:55 < zippe> Annoying and not really useful
2014-06-06T20:22:13 < Laurenceb_> less annoying than a dedicated smartcard
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2014-06-06T20:22:21 < gxti> Laurenceb_: that *is* a smartcard, albeit a specific type
2014-06-06T20:22:26 < Laurenceb_> exactly
2014-06-06T20:22:35 < zippe> Exactly; it's just an app with a fixed and not very useful API
2014-06-06T20:22:35 < Laurenceb_> but one most people carry already
2014-06-06T20:22:41 < gxti> i don't think that would be possible
2014-06-06T20:23:05 < gxti> at least not in a useful way
2014-06-06T20:23:13 < zippe> You can use a completely vanilla USB stick
2014-06-06T20:23:22 < zippe> And just encrypt. the. database.
2014-06-06T20:23:35 < Laurenceb_> their idea was anthentication on the device
2014-06-06T20:23:42 < zippe> That's retarded
2014-06-06T20:23:42 < gxti> the reason the smartcard is useful for hackaday trash is because you can store the secret key *in* the smartcard
2014-06-06T20:23:45 < Laurenceb_> but if the pc its connected to gets rooted
2014-06-06T20:23:47 < zippe> You don't "authenticate"
2014-06-06T20:23:50 < Laurenceb_> then its useless anyway
2014-06-06T20:24:04 < Laurenceb_> so i dont see the point
2014-06-06T20:24:06 < zippe> You tangle the saved password with a user identity token
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2014-06-06T20:24:26 < gxti> cryptographically speaking their design is sound, it's something i almost built myself but them i remembered i'm incredibly lazy
2014-06-06T20:24:26 < Laurenceb_> i dont know how it works
2014-06-06T20:24:35 < Laurenceb_> but aiui you need a pin + the card
2014-06-06T20:24:40 < Laurenceb_> connected to the device?
2014-06-06T20:24:49 < zippe> The token is ephemeral, the card self-destructs if you use a bad token more than N times in a row, done.
2014-06-06T20:25:09 < Laurenceb_> so, chip+pin
2014-06-06T20:25:23 < gxti> bank cards are only useful for authenticating to your bank. you can't use it for other stuff.
2014-06-06T20:25:33 < zippe> No, that's not what the C+P cards do
2014-06-06T20:25:55 < gxti> it signs transactions. it can't be used to encrypt crap in a useful way.
2014-06-06T20:26:15 < Laurenceb_> cant it be used as a token?
2014-06-06T20:26:22 < Laurenceb_> and also as authentication
2014-06-06T20:26:30 < gxti> the point isn't to authenticate the card
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2014-06-06T20:26:37 < Laurenceb_> sure
2014-06-06T20:26:43 < Laurenceb_> its to authenticate the user
2014-06-06T20:26:44 < gxti> you probably COULD use bank card for that
2014-06-06T20:27:23 < zippe> Actually, no, C+P is security theatre that allows banks to change the T&C for card agreements to shift the burden of proof onto the customer in case of fraud
2014-06-06T20:27:42 < gxti> i'd still take it over a mag stripe
2014-06-06T20:27:48 < zippe> Why?
2014-06-06T20:27:48 < gxti> but that's beside the point
2014-06-06T20:28:02 < zippe> With a magstripe card, if something goes wrong the bank is responsible for making good the loss
2014-06-06T20:28:06 < zippe> With C+P, you are.
2014-06-06T20:28:26 < zippe> Sorry, I will take the contract associated with magstripe cards any day
2014-06-06T20:28:26 < gxti> i guess
2014-06-06T20:28:27 < gxti> whatever
2014-06-06T20:28:51 < zippe> two-factor auth for transaction attestation is a nice idea in theory
2014-06-06T20:28:54 < zippe> C+P does not implement it
2014-06-06T20:29:21 < PaulFertser> http://arxiv.org/abs/1209.2531 "Chip and Skim: cloning EMV cards with the
2014-06-06T20:29:22 < PaulFertser> pre-play attack"
2014-06-06T20:29:34 < gxti> i know it's pretty insecure.
2014-06-06T20:29:35 < zippe> Both the underlying architecture and the specific implementations are being exploited in the wild
2014-06-06T20:30:00 < zippe> Yes; preplay exposes one of the basic flaws in the implementation - the *terminal* is trusted
2014-06-06T20:30:06 < gxti> but even if were secure you couldn't use it to lock into facedicks.
2014-06-06T20:30:13 < gxti> which is what Laurenceb_ was failing at.
2014-06-06T20:30:25 < zippe> gxti: you could, assuming they used micropayment verification for login
2014-06-06T20:30:32 < PaulFertser> It's amazing how retarded the were those preparing that EMV standard.
2014-06-06T20:30:35 < zippe> You couldn't use it to store passwords though, agreed.
2014-06-06T20:30:49 < gxti> yeah if facedicks specifically changed their login shit to work with bank cards, which would be idiotic, you could. but it's not a general-purpose way to store things.
2014-06-06T20:31:04 < Laurenceb_> i dont see why not
2014-06-06T20:31:11 < gxti> because you suck at security apparently
2014-06-06T20:31:12 < zippe> PaulFertser: Not retarded at all. It's just that their objective was not to produce a secure standard, it was to construct a smokescreen for the banks.
2014-06-06T20:31:12 < PaulFertser> zippe: I think the main flaw is that some ATMs have predictable "Unpredictable Number", if the specification required it to be truly random, the pre-play attack wouldn't be possible.
2014-06-06T20:31:17 < Laurenceb_> mooltipass stores passwords onboard in flash
2014-06-06T20:31:26 < gxti> encrypted, yes
2014-06-06T20:31:29 < Laurenceb_> so use a hash generated from the card to encript it
2014-06-06T20:31:47 < zippe> PaulFertser: It's not just ATMs, it's PoS terminals as well.
2014-06-06T20:31:51 < Laurenceb_> i dont know how chip+pin works
2014-06-06T20:31:52 < gxti> that's only possible if it's already part of the C&P API
2014-06-06T20:32:01 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2014-06-06T20:32:08 < PaulFertser> zippe: is EMV vulnerable besides those broken atm/terminals that can be patched/replaced?
2014-06-06T20:32:10 < Laurenceb_> is there onboard memory on the cards?
2014-06-06T20:32:14 < zippe> Laurenceb_: here's a pro tip … if you don't understand cryptosystems, don't try designing one, especially not on IRC
2014-06-06T20:32:20 < Laurenceb_> lol
2014-06-06T20:32:23 < gxti> Laurenceb_ can barely get i2c working
2014-06-06T20:32:28 < Laurenceb_> trolol
2014-06-06T20:32:33 < zippe> PaulFertser: The basic design is broken; trusting the terminal invites MITM attacks
2014-06-06T20:32:34 < gxti> but seriously
2014-06-06T20:32:39 < gxti> don't try to write any crypto stuff
2014-06-06T20:32:43 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: if you read that arxiv link you'll see how it works
2014-06-06T20:32:48 < Laurenceb_> ah cool
2014-06-06T20:32:51 < gxti> because i might accidentally use it without knowing someday and get pwned and then id' be sad
2014-06-06T20:32:52 < Laurenceb_> reading
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2014-06-06T20:33:04 < zippe> PaulFertser: Terminals are historically a weak point in payment systems because they are exposed to large numbers of transactions and they are routinely in the hands of untrained, unmotivated staff.
2014-06-06T20:33:06 < Laurenceb_> but id be happy cuz id troll a troll
2014-06-06T20:33:43 < zippe> PaulFertser: As a customer, I trust my ability to keep my pin a secret and my ability to keep my card in my physical possession most of the time.
2014-06-06T20:33:56 < zippe> PaulFertser: I am willing to trust the bank's infrastructure due to the contract I have with them
2014-06-06T20:34:13 < zippe> PaulFertser: I am not willing to trust J Random Retailer's infrastructure. See e.g. Target.
2014-06-06T20:34:59 < PaulFertser> zippe: can you possibly describe an attack involving an EMV card where your "pin" is disclosed to an adversary but the card itself is not physically stolen?
2014-06-06T20:35:16 < Laurenceb_> im too lazy
2014-06-06T20:35:25 < Laurenceb_> cant see the protocol in that pdf
2014-06-06T20:35:34 < gxti> anyway
2014-06-06T20:35:36 < Laurenceb_> is there readable memory on the card?
2014-06-06T20:35:44 < Laurenceb_> or some unique id?
2014-06-06T20:35:54 < gxti> whatever you use has to be protected by the PIN or it's useless.
2014-06-06T20:36:02 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2014-06-06T20:36:02 < gxti> and i doubt they put some memory in there just for fun
2014-06-06T20:36:19 < aadamson> Laurenceb_, need a recommendation
2014-06-06T20:36:25 < Laurenceb_> if there is something pin protected that can be ready out it can be used
2014-06-06T20:36:39 < aadamson> ac coupling cap for a TCXO that says it needs to be > 1nf?
2014-06-06T20:36:56 < Laurenceb_> well you could work out the impedance
2014-06-06T20:37:11 < aadamson> I don't think I have enough info to do that
2014-06-06T20:37:22 < gxti> what's the frequency?
2014-06-06T20:37:32 < aadamson> of what the TCXO?  16.369mhz
2014-06-06T20:37:55 < aadamson> the DPLL has adjustable cpacitance, but I'm sure this is just a dc-blocking cap
2014-06-06T20:38:06 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2014-06-06T20:38:12 < gxti> i use 25mhz TCXO with 10nf X7R caps without issue.
2014-06-06T20:38:12 < Laurenceb_> so TCXO -> DPLL?
2014-06-06T20:38:28 < baird> Trojaned keypad? (You auth, type in the amount, keypad sends $70 when the user types $20, dispensery is hacked to only let the $20 through..)
2014-06-06T20:38:29 < gxti> 100nf should be fine too
2014-06-06T20:38:32 < aadamson> yes - interesting hugh
2014-06-06T20:38:44 < aadamson> the TCXO is 10k/10pf output
2014-06-06T20:39:01 < gxti> baird: much more complicated than just installing a skimmer though
2014-06-06T20:39:08 < Laurenceb_> aadamson: thats to ground
2014-06-06T20:39:33 < Laurenceb_> the input pin capacitance of the DPLL should only be a few pF
2014-06-06T20:39:38 < gxti> which only takes one person who doesn't need to know anything other than how to successfully install a skimmer without anyone noticing.
2014-06-06T20:40:09 < aadamson> the DPLL has selectable capacitance, I'll ahve to see if the publish a baseline reference for is IN
2014-06-06T20:40:14 < gxti> but i haven't been following these real-world CnP attacks.
2014-06-06T20:40:17 < baird> In a lot of countries (Russia..) the ATMs are compromised internally, so I wouldn't think it's much of a leap.
2014-06-06T20:41:10 < aadamson> 6pf
2014-06-06T20:41:13 < baird> And there's always the 'ping me when someone withdraws $$$, so you can mug them..'
2014-06-06T20:41:32 < Laurenceb_> aadamson: id use 10nF X5R between the TCXO and DPLL
2014-06-06T20:41:39 < aadamson> k... thanks
2014-06-06T20:41:53 < aadamson> I want to try a TCXO
2014-06-06T20:42:23 < aadamson> a regular crystal wandered a bit too much when doing SSB, never effects FM, but any SSB mode would wanter with temp
2014-06-06T20:42:38 < aadamson> and the TCXO called for a dc-blocking cap
2014-06-06T20:42:40 < aadamson> > 1nf
2014-06-06T20:43:00 < Laurenceb_> yeah Leo found TCXO was much easier for receivers to track
2014-06-06T20:43:36 < aadamson> yeah doesn't suprise me, this wasn't a rapid oscillation or evern over a few minutes, but over 10 or more it would wander
2014-06-06T20:43:47 < aadamson> and the crystal I was using was only good to -20C anyway
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2014-06-06T22:27:30 < karlp> zippe: hear hear! it's not brought up enough that the entire fraud protection dissappeared for consumers with c&p
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2014-06-06T23:01:20 < Alexer-> karlp, I haven't been following the discussion, but what's c&p?
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2014-06-06T23:31:53 < ossifrage> I had some code in an stm32 program "while (*str != '\0') *str++ = tolower(*str);"
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2014-06-06T23:33:35 < ossifrage> All these years I thought that was valid code, but I've been told that the behavior is now magically undefined
2014-06-06T23:34:24 < karlp> Alexer-: it's a bit past us now, but chip and pin debit/credit cards.
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2014-06-06T23:34:58 < ossifrage> I developed the code with 4_7-2013q1 and now with 4_8-2014q1 it is doing the wrong thing with out the optimizer and the expected thing with -Os
2014-06-06T23:35:42 < ossifrage> karlp, in the use they are deploying chip and pin cards without the pin, wtf
2014-06-06T23:36:34 < karlp> well, the cards are just a card, that's separate
2014-06-06T23:36:52 < karlp> they gave out cards here with no pins for maybe a year before pins and compatible terminals came around
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2014-06-07T00:18:15 < Alexer-> ossifrage, ah, because you use str twice and increment it? "*dst++ = *src++;" should be valid, so the str thing is harder to notice :P
2014-06-07T00:19:05 < ossifrage> Alexer-, nope, that is what I wanted, it is doing an inplace tolower.
2014-06-07T00:19:56 < ossifrage> Alexer-, I always thought that was valid code, but I've been told that it is undefined. I always thought the right hand side was evaluated before the lhs
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2014-06-07T00:21:28 < gxti> ossifrage: C or C++?
2014-06-07T00:21:29 < Alexer-> ossifrage, ah, I meant the undefined behaviour in "*str++ = *str;" is harder to notice since "*dst++ = *src++;" is widely used valid code
2014-06-07T00:21:44 < ossifrage> C
2014-06-07T00:21:59 < Alexer-> not that it would be a replacement :P
2014-06-07T00:22:23 < gxti> operator= or similar might get you into trouble in C++. no idea what the problem is in C.
2014-06-07T00:23:01 < Alexer-> does c++ have different rules for undefined behaviour?
2014-06-07T00:23:10 < ossifrage> I could have sworn I saw code like this in an libc implementation...
2014-06-07T00:23:44 < Alexer-> ossifrage, it's possible, they aren't immune to bugs or anything, ya know :P
2014-06-07T00:24:42 < ossifrage> Alexer-, rightly so, it just annoyed me that something I have thought was perfectly valid for such a long time might not be...
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2014-06-07T00:25:50 < zyp> «different rules for undefined behavior»
2014-06-07T00:26:03 < zyp> the thing about undefined behavior is that there is no rules
2014-06-07T00:26:44 < Alexer-> zyp, no, I meant that as in are there any differences what's undefined in C++ as opposed to C
2014-06-07T00:30:33 < zyp> hmm, I can't name any examples, but it's not unlikely
2014-06-07T00:44:05 < Alexer-> gxti, it seems to be undefined in c++ too: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4176328/undefined-behavior-and-sequence-points
2014-06-07T00:44:51 < Alexer-> and yeah, people were saying "not the same rules" there too, although I didn't see any concrete examples
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2014-06-07T01:41:17 < ds2> iirc, tolower is a macro
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2014-06-07T02:25:35 < Laurenceb_> https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1503
2014-06-07T02:25:36 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2014-06-07T02:38:12 < Steffanx> lol nice piece of chintronics Laurenceb_ :D
2014-06-07T02:39:00 < gxti> Chin Tronic
2014-06-07T02:40:43 < Fleck> Chinglish Chintronics Chinphone
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2014-06-07T02:46:32 < gxti> chin phones are the next big thing
2014-06-07T02:46:59 < emeb_mac> just watch out for double-chin phones
2014-06-07T02:47:14 < baird_> chip+pin -- would it be possible to read the security credentials /visually/ from the card using a X-ray camera or the like?
2014-06-07T02:47:57 < gxti> probably not with xray but yes it is possible to attack it physically
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2014-06-07T02:49:45 < gxti> decapping it and using very tiny probes, usually. the more expensive smartcards have fancy countermeasures like meshes that cause it to self-destruct if they are disturbed. but the golden rule of security is that given sufficient time anything can be broken.
2014-06-07T02:50:33 < gxti> banks aren't gonna spend too much money on it but even the cheapest smartcards probably have at least a metal shield.
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2014-06-07T02:58:58 < baird_> The Golden Caveat of mainsteam technology is there's always a huge gaping security compromise, as well.. :)
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2014-06-07T06:19:47 < upgrdman> dongs: tweezer people told me to pull off the tips and look for dirt, burrs, etc. i did. much burrs. so wow. also a loose battery connector.
2014-06-07T06:20:11 < upgrdman> pics here:    http://farrellf.com/temp/smart_tweezers_ST5S/problems/
2014-06-07T06:20:47 < upgrdman> sadly, fixing those issued didn't fix the problem. will return. :(
2014-06-07T06:22:31 < upgrdman> also for your viewing pleasure:  http://farrellf.com/temp/smart_tweezers_ST5S/teardown_pics/
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2014-06-07T11:26:47 < dongs> hello dongs
2014-06-07T11:27:05 < dongs> upgrdman: furiously clicking
2014-06-07T11:31:49 < dongs> upgrdman: lol is that a fucking msp43
2014-06-07T11:31:50 < dongs> 430
2014-06-07T11:31:51 < dongs> much fail
2014-06-07T11:32:11 < MrMobius> msp430? linky?
2014-06-07T11:32:15 < dongs> wtf is that jumper from near the power stage
2014-06-07T11:32:23 < dongs> MrMobius: looking at his tweezers teardown pics
2014-06-07T11:34:11 < dongs> http://farrellf.com/temp/smart_tweezers_ST5S/teardown_pics/IMG_4807.JPG
2014-06-07T11:36:20 < MrMobius> weird markings
2014-06-07T11:37:24 < dongs> i cant believe they're selling "precision" instrument with a jumper on pcb
2014-06-07T11:37:31 < dongs> for $160 i would expect those fuckers to redo pcb
2014-06-07T11:37:35 < dongs> newbs
2014-06-07T11:38:34 < MrMobius> he probably saved his boss a lot of money and got a promotion
2014-06-07T11:38:40 < dongs> heh
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2014-06-07T11:54:35 < petus> MSP430 is nice :-) I like these microcontrollers _
2014-06-07T11:54:39 < petus> :-)
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2014-06-07T12:02:24 < baird_> Sweet, they've got 64kB FRAM MSP430s now..
2014-06-07T12:03:48 < madist> fart number ?
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2014-06-07T12:05:11 < baird_> FR5849 and above..
2014-06-07T12:05:18 < baird_> http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/microcontroller/16-bit_msp430/fram/products.page#p2066=64;64
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2014-06-07T12:31:49 < perole> is keil, iar, atollic orders of magnitude easier to set up to play with a stm32f4 discovery than eclipse/gcc?
2014-06-07T12:32:07 < perole> finally weekend and got time to play, but would like to play with the stm32 - not tool soup :)
2014-06-07T12:34:47 < PaulFertser> perole: for a newcomer the easiest is probably CooCox, at least I was told so.
2014-06-07T12:35:21 < PaulFertser> If you're considering using windows crap anyway.
2014-06-07T12:35:25 < perole> it beats the commercial products?
2014-06-07T12:35:50 < perole> I would LIKE to stick with linux, but if I can choose between spending an hour or two on Win7 or the weekend with linux, I'll pick windows
2014-06-07T12:36:03 < petus> perole: Keil v5 is fast :-)
2014-06-07T12:36:47 < PaulFertser> perole: coocox comes with "wizards" that can give you a suitable "hello world" project instantly.
2014-06-07T12:37:55 < PaulFertser> In fact, using gcc-arm-embedded + openocd + libopencm3 is pretty much painless too.
2014-06-07T12:38:51 < perole> System requirements:
2014-06-07T12:38:52 < perole> Windows XP SP3/Windows Vista/Windows 7
2014-06-07T12:38:53 < perole> gah
2014-06-07T12:39:07 < perole> (coocox)
2014-06-07T12:39:36 < perole> so there is no 'out-of-the-box' for linux?
2014-06-07T12:39:54 < perole> I'm not bitching, just want to walk down the right path :)
2014-06-07T12:40:21 < PaulFertser> perole: I'd say starting with libopencm3 examples + gcc-arm-embedded + openocd (0.8.0) is pretty much "out-of-the-box".
2014-06-07T12:40:49 < PaulFertser> I wouldn't use any proprietary shit in any case anyway.
2014-06-07T12:41:23 < PaulFertser> If you want using ST's periph library, it'd work too but a bit more hassle with tweaking your makefiles.
2014-06-07T12:42:06 < perole> I do need usb hid at some point
2014-06-07T12:43:01 < PaulFertser> libopencm3 has usb hid device all right afaik.
2014-06-07T12:43:09 < PaulFertser> Not host though.
2014-06-07T12:44:29 < perole> I guess I may give the windows tool a quick spin, does win7 work good as a guest under virtualbox these days?
2014-06-07T12:45:02 < perole> for java work (at work) I made a kubuntu vm, which was the most time saving thing I've ever done I think
2014-06-07T12:45:18 < perole> dev setups come with so much (crap) it's nice to have them in vm's
2014-06-07T12:45:32 < petus> perole: The article "how to install and set arm-gcc etc" will be on the website mikrozone.sk (around 1 week). It is slovakia website, but you can google translator
2014-06-07T12:45:55 < petus> *you can use
2014-06-07T12:46:00 < perole> thanks!
2014-06-07T12:46:31 < qyx_> petus: are you sk/cz?
2014-06-07T12:46:41 < petus> qyx_: cz :-)
2014-06-07T12:47:11  * perole big fan of urquell pivo!
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2014-06-07T12:48:50 < petus> Yes, urquell is the best beer :-)
2014-06-07T12:54:57 < petus> qyx_: Why? :-)
2014-06-07T12:55:56 < qyx_> just curious, i am in sk
2014-06-07T12:59:06 < petus> qyx_: :-D studying or working?
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2014-06-07T13:21:08 < rewolff> Perole: Linux? Oh, ok.
2014-06-07T13:22:27 < rewolff> if possible: apt-get gcc-arm-none-eabi
2014-06-07T13:22:49 < rewolff> Last year I had to add a PPA to do that, nowadays it's in the ubuntu repo.
2014-06-07T13:24:33 < rewolff> (if you don't have ubuntu-trusty, check if the gcc goes before or after the "arm-non-eabi", sometimes they call it arm-none-eabi-gcc.
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2014-06-07T14:06:59 < Alexer-> perole, what distro?
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2014-06-07T15:03:58 < perole> Alexer-: for java I use kubuntu, for quartus I use centos
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2014-06-07T15:10:38 < Alexer-> well, as rewolff said, for ubuntu, you can just apt-get the cross-compiler
2014-06-07T15:11:16 < Alexer-> and openocd
2014-06-07T15:12:44 < Alexer-> I don't know how you're supposed to use the existing libraries, I just write my own ;P
2014-06-07T15:12:53 < Alexer-> but it can't be *that* hard
2014-06-07T15:13:07 < Steffanx> how up to date are the ubuntu repos?
2014-06-07T15:13:56 < Alexer-> dunno,
2014-06-07T15:14:15 < Alexer-> I've never been one to care a lot about my compiler version :p
2014-06-07T15:14:37 < Alexer-> (also I don't usually use ubuntu myself)
2014-06-07T15:15:25 < Steffanx> oh :)
2014-06-07T15:17:18 < Alexer-> why do you care about the version? something specific or just generic "it's good to be up to date"?
2014-06-07T15:21:16 < PaulFertser> I highly recommend openocd version 0.8.0, and for stlink users current git HEAD.
2014-06-07T15:21:58 < PaulFertser> 0.7.0 has known issues
2014-06-07T15:25:02 < Steffanx> many issues that is
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2014-06-07T16:01:21 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tado/tado-cooling-intelligent-a-c-control
2014-06-07T16:05:50 < Steffanx> At least the design is fancy..
2014-06-07T16:13:05 < Laurenceb_> trollstarter
2014-06-07T16:16:11 < dongs> http://drop-kicker.com/2014/06/neptune-pine-smartwatch-cancels-nfc-cdma-waterproofs-device-with-commercial-neverwet-spray/
2014-06-07T16:16:14 < dongs> sweet
2014-06-07T16:17:38 < Laurenceb_> lolling
2014-06-07T16:17:49 < Laurenceb_> sounds like something they would do where i work
2014-06-07T16:25:03 < dongs> http://www.liquipel.com/wp-content/uploads/oem-image.jpg
2014-06-07T16:25:04 < dongs> hmm
2014-06-07T16:25:12 < dongs> thats a BMP180 baro
2014-06-07T16:25:15 < dongs> with a hole in it
2014-06-07T16:25:26 < dongs> how do I water proofed
2014-06-07T16:29:00 < Laurenceb_> more importantly
2014-06-07T16:29:06 < Laurenceb_> it degrades rapidly
2014-06-07T16:29:17 < Laurenceb_> and the dielectric coefficient will screw all the rf
2014-06-07T16:31:58 < Steffanx> They should just plastidip it :)
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2014-06-07T22:23:54 < aadamson> Steffanx, small problem with usb on mine however... vcc is 2.0v :)... so I removed it and reused the pins but I did try
2014-06-07T22:24:42 < aadamson> oh, and traditionally Leo doesn't release his source or hardware, but he's pretty good about tell you what he's done
2014-06-07T22:24:50 < aadamson> he uses a 16 bt pic if I remember right
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2014-06-07T22:28:13 < Steffanx> awh, too bad aadamson :(
2014-06-07T22:28:17 < Steffanx> both things
2014-06-07T22:29:36 < aadamson> figured I'd let you know
2014-06-07T22:29:57 < gxti> wonder how much lazy is the right amount of lazy. i want to make a replacement controller board for my keyboard, and there's already a project that has software for it. but it's AVR trash.
2014-06-07T22:30:30 < Steffanx> avr aint that bad
2014-06-07T22:30:52 < gxti> i could do it cheaper and better with STM32... but then i'd probably spend a week trying to get the usb shit working reliably and give up. or i can use expensive (and currently out of stock) AVR trash and not have to mess with much.
2014-06-07T22:30:54 < Steffanx> that project is probably lufa based, isn't it?
2014-06-07T22:31:09 < gxti> lufa is an option. it supports others as well.
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2014-06-07T22:31:42 < Steffanx> nah i meant the code that project is based on it.
2014-06-07T22:31:46 < Steffanx> *of that project
2014-06-07T22:32:08 < gxti> the project has stacks for each. i don't know which one works best.
2014-06-07T22:32:55 < gxti> i see 2 issues in github about PJRC and one about lufa so probably lufa works better.
2014-06-07T22:33:21 < Steffanx> statistics :D
2014-06-07T22:34:51 < gxti> anyway it's a shame but i'm probably using the avr because the last thing i need is yet another stm32 board with no software written
2014-06-07T22:35:59 < gxti> have to figure out how i'm going to program it but atmel people seem to love using ghetto hacks instead of proper programmers so i'm sure i'll find a way
2014-06-07T22:36:16 < Steffanx> who cares if it's for only a single keyboard.
2014-06-07T22:36:35 < Steffanx> Get the versaloon project on some stm32
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2014-06-07T22:57:19 < zippe> gxti: what's a "proper programmer" for AVR?
2014-06-07T22:58:30 < gxti> good question. people are always bitching about setting a fuse wrong and now it's bricked because they don't have a high-voltage programmer, but apparently it requires like 10 pins too so i guess full in-circuit program and debug and not-bricking-things isn't a feature of AVR at all.
2014-06-07T22:58:39 < zippe> Huh?
2014-06-07T22:58:44 < zippe> You're smoking something
2014-06-07T22:59:00 < gxti> ok.
2014-06-07T22:59:10 < zippe> The normal AVR programming interface is SPI
2014-06-07T22:59:26 < gxti> yes.
2014-06-07T22:59:33 < zippe> That's not "10 pins"
2014-06-07T22:59:40 < gxti> i didn't say it was.
2014-06-07T22:59:46 < gxti> HVPP is.
2014-06-07T23:00:00 < gxti> you need HVPP to recover from setting the default clock fuse wrong, yes?
2014-06-07T23:00:42 < zippe> You need HVPP to recover from several modes, including screwing up the default clock config, yes
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2014-06-07T23:01:15 < zippe> In much the same way that you need evil to recover from setting the security mode on STM32 or lpc11xx parts
2014-06-07T23:01:17 < zyp> solution is not screwing it up in the first place
2014-06-07T23:01:39 < gxti> you might need "evil" but it doesn't require socketing the whole CPU
2014-06-07T23:01:42 < zippe> Don't quote me, but I believe that you can get out using DebugWire as well
2014-06-07T23:01:59 < zippe> gxti: it usually means removing the device from the board and replacing it with a new one
2014-06-07T23:02:16 < zippe> As zyp said, the moral of the story is - don't fuck it up.
2014-06-07T23:02:16 < Steffanx> gxti, you can also use the dfu bootlaoder.. it's ship with that iirc.
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2014-06-07T23:02:28 < gxti> great
2014-06-07T23:02:31 < gxti> "don't fuck up"
2014-06-07T23:02:41 < zippe> gxti: get a motorcycle
2014-06-07T23:02:42 < gxti> words to live by.
2014-06-07T23:02:47 < gxti> zippe: you first
2014-06-07T23:02:47 < zippe> It will change your perspective
2014-06-07T23:02:55 < zippe> gxti: I have several. Your turn.
2014-06-07T23:02:58 < gxti> no.
2014-06-07T23:03:46 < zippe> Well, if you're too scared to get a couple of fuse bits right, I guess actually enjoying yourself is out of the question. 8)
2014-06-07T23:04:18 < Steffanx> when you're new to it, it's pretty easy to screw things up zippe
2014-06-07T23:04:22 < gxti> you're right, i'm basically wallowing in tears 24/7
2014-06-07T23:04:30 < gxti> my life is without pleasure or satisfaction
2014-06-07T23:04:38 < Steffanx> so much love.
2014-06-07T23:09:50 < gxti> anyway, it's not the lusers' fault AVR parts don't have a practical way to reset things in-circuit
2014-06-07T23:11:40 < gxti> except maybe jtag
2014-06-07T23:12:39 < gxti> apparently jtag is also a fuse setting so you could lock yourself out of that too
2014-06-07T23:21:34 < Steffanx> yes, welcome to the wonderful world of AVR
2014-06-07T23:22:00 < Steffanx> iirc xmega is better.. it has no fuses or at least less
2014-06-07T23:23:29 < zippe> I don't see the problem here
2014-06-07T23:23:38 < zippe> The tools don't screw the fuses up at random
2014-06-07T23:24:02 < zippe> If you decide to set fuses that hose the device, well, you can do that with just about any part
2014-06-07T23:24:53 < gxti> i guess.
2014-06-07T23:25:29 < Steffanx> but still it's easy to make a mistake when you have not done it before zippe
2014-06-07T23:25:44 < Steffanx> at least i did.. but that was ages ago.
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2014-06-07T23:30:36 < Steffanx> good old avr times, gave all my avr stuff to some hackerspace.
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2014-06-07T23:59:10 < jpa-> i've burned a few processors - burning a few fuse bits is nothing! :)
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2014-06-08T00:02:12 < gxti> ultimately that's why it doesn't matter. it just seems wrong that there are certain things that are possible, but that the 'normal' programmer can't do.
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2014-06-08T00:03:10 < jpa-> somewhat yeah
2014-06-08T00:03:34 < jpa-> with stm32, that's not such a problem, but there are still the protect bits that will totally stop writing IIRC
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2014-06-08T00:06:30 < gxti> afaik you're still able to mass erase, i've just not been able to get it to work before because BMP doesn't do it
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2014-06-08T00:08:50 < jpa-> gxti: "Memory read protection Level 2 is an irreversible operation."
2014-06-08T00:09:04 < gxti> which part is that?
2014-06-08T00:09:26 < jpa-> stm32f40x, but iirc it is similar on others
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2014-06-08T00:17:30 < gxti> there's something that is reversible but maybe it's just write-protection
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2014-06-08T00:43:32 < zippe> gxti: there are always things the "normal" programmer can't do
2014-06-08T00:43:42 < zippe> gxti: all that really matters is that you can do the things you need to do
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2014-06-08T01:46:43 < Steffanx> i forgot to ask what kind of fancy keyboard you have.. why you want to replace the controller?
2014-06-08T01:46:48 < Steffanx> mr gxti
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2014-06-08T01:55:22 < gxti> Steffanx: ibm model m. it's from 1987, so not much usb.
2014-06-08T01:55:58 < gxti> and the converter dongles don't work super well
2014-06-08T01:56:56 < Steffanx> ah,  you really use it for your daily typing work?
2014-06-08T01:58:12 < gxti> yes.
2014-06-08T02:00:16 < Steffanx> nice nice :)
2014-06-08T02:04:17 < dongs> sup
2014-06-08T02:04:19 < dongs> innovating hard
2014-06-08T02:04:34 < dongs> routed row selector for hall array of doom
2014-06-08T02:04:56 < Steffanx> are you still working on that?
2014-06-08T02:05:07 < Steffanx> matcharmbox season 2?
2014-06-08T02:05:20 < dongs> yes
2014-06-08T02:05:30 < dongs> $500/board dickstatert special
2014-06-08T02:07:34 < gxti> i should add a usb hub to this, the pcb is huge anyway
2014-06-08T02:07:45 < gxti> not sure where i'd put the sockets
2014-06-08T02:08:32 < qyx_> on the long edges of the huge pcb
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2014-06-08T02:24:26 < dongs> hmm
2014-06-08T02:24:37 < dongs> i copied room layout and the fucking thing had some parts on teh bottom and it assigned wrong nets
2014-06-08T02:24:43 < dongs> wonder how the fuck i can clear that
2014-06-08T02:25:26 < dongs> teh only way i found so far is to just delete that area and copy room again
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2014-06-08T04:08:31 < owl-v-> arm 48 cores >> http://youtu.be/zmnjZUQPq5U
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2014-06-08T04:09:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/fcTAOFf.jpg innovating
2014-06-08T04:10:27 < gxti> nice screenshot?
2014-06-08T04:11:10 < dongs> ya sorry.
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2014-06-08T04:20:55 < dongs> what hte hell
2014-06-08T04:20:59 < dongs> this FTDI garbage i got
2014-06-08T04:21:02 < dongs> theres solder shorts
2014-06-08T04:21:09 < dongs> all over this tqfp48
2014-06-08T04:21:12 < dongs> such fail
2014-06-08T04:21:37 < zyp> bad footprint? not enough flux?
2014-06-08T04:21:39 < zyp> etc
2014-06-08T04:21:47 < dongs> no idea,i mean this is official ftdi warez
2014-06-08T04:23:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Kh2Md1A.jpg
2014-06-08T04:23:36 < dongs> lol this shit is 4 layer
2014-06-08T04:23:36 < zyp> oh
2014-06-08T04:28:49 < dongs> you'd think they test this shit before shipping.
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2014-06-08T04:36:38 < dongs> what the fuck
2014-06-08T04:36:41 < dongs> now im seeing tado google ads
2014-06-08T04:36:47 < dongs> after visiting that dickstarter
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2014-06-08T04:56:01 < emeb> google knows all
2014-06-08T04:57:28 < zyp> hah
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2014-06-08T05:33:29 < upgrdman> owl-v-: that interviewer seemed incredibly annoying. lol.
2014-06-08T05:33:43 < upgrdman> "it's in here?" "yes" ...
2014-06-08T05:34:55 < owl-v-> he is annoying through out his video blog, but quite informative :-)
2014-06-08T05:49:20 < emeb> zyp: ping
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2014-06-08T14:19:33 < BorgCuba> Hello, Ive got a problem with my interrupt code. I am sending data via a usb bulk endpoint to the device and I am using a busy flag. The busy flag is cleared in the ISR and in the main loop the is a while (!busy); which sometimes loops forever. Here are the relevant code snippets: http://pastebin.com/6MDYvw8a - any ideas?
2014-06-08T14:20:18 < BorgCuba> well, I am sending data to the host (BULK-IN)
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2014-06-08T14:29:05 < zyp> which usb stack is this?
2014-06-08T14:29:53 < BorgCuba> the st stack, i tried the newest
2014-06-08T14:31:13 < BorgCuba> I tried 3.3.0 and 4.0.0
2014-06-08T14:31:39 < zyp> ok, I'm not familiar with that, but are you sure the callback is called from interrupt context?
2014-06-08T14:31:54 < zyp> anyway, is tx_rdy volatile?
2014-06-08T14:32:03 < BorgCuba> let me see
2014-06-08T14:32:28 < BorgCuba> yes : volatile int		tx_rdy;
2014-06-08T14:33:06 < zyp> can you post the full main loop?
2014-06-08T14:33:15 < zyp> or even full main function
2014-06-08T14:33:24 < BorgCuba> Ill paste the whole main.c
2014-06-08T14:34:41 < BorgCuba> here it is: http://pastebin.com/V1iC9t6a
2014-06-08T14:35:37 < BorgCuba> line 294, I have modified it slightly
2014-06-08T14:36:14 < BorgCuba> to see if it hangs in the while loop
2014-06-08T14:38:23 < zyp> extern int              tx_rdy;
2014-06-08T14:38:33 < zyp> that's missing volatile
2014-06-08T14:39:15 < zyp> so it'll assume that it's a normal int when you use it in main.c
2014-06-08T14:39:48 < BorgCuba> okay, Ill check that
2014-06-08T14:39:57 < zyp> you want extern volatile int
2014-06-08T14:39:59 < BorgCuba> btw, here is the interrupt code : http://pastebin.com/zq8NB4uF
2014-06-08T14:42:00 < BorgCuba> looks good so far but I have to test this a couple of times
2014-06-08T14:42:57 < BorgCuba> zyp, have you ever tried usb double buffering on stm32 devices?
2014-06-08T14:43:05 < zyp> missing volatime will make the compiler assume that the variable can't just change in the background, so the compiler will only bother checking once
2014-06-08T14:43:18 < zyp> nah
2014-06-08T14:43:34 < BorgCuba> yes
2014-06-08T14:44:36 < BorgCuba> I think Ill try it, I want to read/write 64mbit spi flash devices
2014-06-08T14:44:56 < zyp> I've found that double buffering is sort of pointless on FS because the chip is fast enough to fill the buffer faster than it's being polled anyway
2014-06-08T14:45:30 < BorgCuba> maybe
2014-06-08T14:45:41 < zyp> hang on
2014-06-08T14:46:01 < BorgCuba> you 2 ;-)
2014-06-08T14:46:09 < BorgCuba> and thank you very much!
2014-06-08T14:47:11 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/5pyzn.png <- here's a trace from doing some simple mass storage on F4, I'm loading 512B sectors from an SD card and serving them as 64B packets, single buffered
2014-06-08T14:47:37 < zyp> and the only packets that are not ready in time for the first poll is when I have to read a new sector from the SD card
2014-06-08T14:48:35 < zyp> (the [xx POLL] number tells you how many times the host polled and got a NAK before data was returned)
2014-06-08T14:49:01 < BorgCuba> i see
2014-06-08T14:49:56 < BorgCuba> I also thought about streaming  2msps adc capture with compression
2014-06-08T14:49:59 < zyp> of course, this may not be representable for the simpler core found in F1/F3/etc…, and they also have slower cpus
2014-06-08T14:50:18 < BorgCuba> yes, I am working with a f103
2014-06-08T14:50:37 < BorgCuba> @72MHz
2014-06-08T14:50:50 < zyp> and other system load might increase usb latency to the point where double buffering might help
2014-06-08T14:51:30 < BorgCuba> what program do you use to capture usb traffic?
2014-06-08T14:51:55 < zyp> this was captured with a Beagle
2014-06-08T14:54:40 < BorgCuba> looks interesting, but also a little expensive. I have only used software only solutions for this so far
2014-06-08T14:55:02 < BorgCuba> mostly usbmon (linux) and USB Snoopy (win)
2014-06-08T14:55:53 < zyp> yeah, I've been lucky enough to borrow a Beagle 480
2014-06-08T15:01:08 < bvernoux> zyp: you was not waiting "Openvizsla" USB analyzer ;)
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2014-06-08T15:03:39 < zyp> bvernoux, let me know when they have any software that'll rival Total Phase Data Center
2014-06-08T15:03:50 < bvernoux> haha yes ;)
2014-06-08T15:03:53 < RaYmAn> at least they are shipping hardware soon :P
2014-06-08T15:04:02 < bvernoux> I think the answer is : NEVER
2014-06-08T15:04:23 < bvernoux> even the HW could not sniff USB HS or limited by SDRAM ....
2014-06-08T15:05:18 < bvernoux> zyp: personnally i would love an other data representation for Data Center
2014-06-08T15:06:53 < bvernoux> zyp: something like that http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex280/images/ex280a_soft_overview.htm
2014-06-08T15:07:17 < zyp> what do you mean=
2014-06-08T15:07:20 < bvernoux> especially Host/Device view to see quickly bottlneck
2014-06-08T15:07:38 < bvernoux> the famous Instant Timing view
2014-06-08T15:07:48 < zyp> ah
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2014-06-08T15:08:12 < bvernoux> I have asked to Data Center support to add such view and it was WIP ...
2014-06-08T15:08:28 < bvernoux> I doubt they will add it
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2014-06-08T15:09:12 < bvernoux> and also compliance test ;)
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2014-06-08T15:27:59 < karlp> what do you use that instant timing for? debugging bitbanging usb? and debugging hardware implementations of usb?
2014-06-08T15:28:22 < karlp> doesn't seem like something you'd need for debugging software stacks
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2014-06-08T16:16:15 < zyp> karlp, debugging flow control/bandwidth utilization related issues, I guess
2014-06-08T16:16:41 < zyp> and possibly low power states as well
2014-06-08T16:18:26 < zyp> IIRC the ellisys software also has a nice way to visualize how many packets you manage to fit in a frame and stuff like that
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2014-06-08T17:06:58 < bvernoux1> zyp: yes exactly mainly flow stuff debug
2014-06-08T17:07:21 < bvernoux1> which are harder to debug with Data Center
2014-06-08T17:10:47 < dongs> sup innovators
2014-06-08T17:10:52 < dongs> https://invbrain.neuroinf.jp/static/moth/EMG-tool.pdf what thie fuck is this?
2014-06-08T17:11:12 < dongs> zyp, i should probably write invoice for your stuff when im back to office what do oyu think
2014-06-08T17:12:21 < zyp> sure
2014-06-08T17:12:57 < BrainDamage> dongs: a very shitty emg device that uses a plain differential amplifier instead of an INA, rest of the circuit is some filters to reject interference from mains and dc bias
2014-06-08T17:13:18 < dongs> EMG = some medical shit?
2014-06-08T17:13:47 < dongs> hm looks liek it
2014-06-08T17:13:55 < BrainDamage> yes, plots the heart's electrical muscle activity
2014-06-08T17:14:31 < BrainDamage> if you connect that to an oscope, you'll see that classic wave of hearbeat you'll see in the movies
2014-06-08T17:14:44 < chris_99> is that the same as ECG theen
2014-06-08T17:15:13 < BrainDamage> yes, altough ecg is specific for heart
2014-06-08T17:15:21 < BrainDamage> that one is for muscles in general
2014-06-08T17:15:35 < chris_99> ah ok
2014-06-08T17:15:37 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromyography
2014-06-08T17:16:26 < BrainDamage> the circuit is near identical because you're measuring a very similar effect
2014-06-08T17:16:28 < dongs> i would hae guessed its shitty cuz its all DIP
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2014-06-08T17:29:05 < Laurenceb_> needs decent low noise amplifiers
2014-06-08T17:29:17 < Laurenceb_> www.isn.ucsd.edu/pubs/bsn10.pdf
2014-06-08T17:30:25 < BrainDamage> and INA because honestly using an highpass filter is a super shitty solution to reject CMRR
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2014-06-08T17:34:34 < dongs> Laurenceb_ is all about body sensors networks
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2014-06-08T23:46:32 < Evidlo> Can anyone recommend a simple blinky project for the STM32F4.  I'm new to embedded development and I want to see if my board is working
2014-06-08T23:47:08 < Evidlo> I can flash successfully, but I haven't gotten any IO working yet.
2014-06-08T23:47:12 < zyp> what's your environment?
2014-06-08T23:47:35 < Evidlo> Linux, STM32F407, ST-Link V2
2014-06-08T23:47:46 < zyp> then I suggest the libopencm3 examples
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2014-06-09T00:00:33 < Evidlo> zyp: Ok, so I've got the miniblink example flashed to the chip. How do I determine which pin is GPIO12?
2014-06-09T00:00:47 < Evidlo> This is not a discovery board.  I flowed the chip myself
2014-06-09T00:02:03 < zyp> it says (GPIOD, GPIO12), which is PD12
2014-06-09T00:03:38 < Evidlo> Hmm, not getting any output.
2014-06-09T00:03:47 < Evidlo> Maybe I burnt up my chip
2014-06-09T00:04:41 < zyp> nah, if it answers for flashing then you're probably good
2014-06-09T00:05:20 < Evidlo> I'm not sure what the issue is.  Been trying for a few days to get any output from this chip, but so far its been nothing
2014-06-09T00:05:36 < zyp> get up gdb and take a look
2014-06-09T00:06:18 < Evidlo> Know of any tutorial on getting that set up?
2014-06-09T00:12:11 < Evidlo> zyp: I followed the last bit of this tutorial http://fab.cba.mit.edu/classes/863.13/tutorials/EmbeddedProgramming/stm32.html
2014-06-09T00:12:14 < Evidlo> It finally works!
2014-06-09T00:12:30 < Evidlo> But why doesn't the program start by itself?
2014-06-09T00:21:49 < zyp> sorry, I went out for a bit
2014-06-09T00:22:11 < zyp> what do you mean start by itself?
2014-06-09T00:22:44 < zyp> the load command in gdb will flash the chip, so in case you flashed it wrong with the standalone st-flash utility, that fixed it
2014-06-09T00:23:10 < Evidlo> zyp: Nothing works with st-flash, but if I use st-util and flash the code with gdb, then type 'continue', it works
2014-06-09T00:23:50 < zyp> then either st-flash is broken or you're using it worng
2014-06-09T00:25:54 < Evidlo> zyp: "st-flash write myfile.elf 0x8000000"
2014-06-09T00:25:56 < Evidlo> is that right?
2014-06-09T00:26:09 < Evidlo> I get a confirmation and a 'jolly good'
2014-06-09T00:26:19 < zyp> no, it's not
2014-06-09T00:26:25 < zyp> st-flash doesn't understand elf files
2014-06-09T00:26:33 < zyp> st-flash expects a plain binary
2014-06-09T00:27:30 < Evidlo> zyp: A .o is a binary file right?
2014-06-09T00:27:42 < Evidlo> like a.out
2014-06-09T00:27:46 < qyx_> no
2014-06-09T00:27:48 < zyp> no
2014-06-09T00:28:21 < Evidlo> miniblink.o has a bunch of garbage in it
2014-06-09T00:28:26 < zyp> .o files are object files, i.e. unlinked executables
2014-06-09T00:28:36 < zyp> in this case .o files are also in the elf format
2014-06-09T00:29:34 < zyp> anyway, I'd suggest to just keep using load in gdb, that's what I do
2014-06-09T00:30:07 < zyp> you want to keep the debugger handy when you work anyway
2014-06-09T00:30:50 < Evidlo> hmm, ok
2014-06-09T00:31:06 < Evidlo> Isn't there a fancy eclipse plugin that can do all this, too?
2014-06-09T00:31:38 < zyp> probably, personally I don't care for eclipse so I don't have any experience with that stuff :)
2014-06-09T00:32:55 < Evidlo> I don't either.  Just have to work with some Java and Mac devs
2014-06-09T00:33:11 < Evidlo> The alternative was to use Windows and the STLink utility...
2014-06-09T00:35:12 < gxti> you can make a .bin with objcopy
2014-06-09T00:37:23 < Evidlo> I have blinky lights :D
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2014-06-09T03:48:09 < Alexer-> zyp, pfffft, debugger schmebugger, I wrote my usb lib without one! ...altough that probably also explains why it took so damn long ;)
2014-06-09T03:48:43 < zyp> heh
2014-06-09T03:49:00 < zyp> my usb lib has a nice event trace available through the debugger :p
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2014-06-09T07:43:11 < dongs> fuck tokyo
2014-06-09T07:43:25 < dongs> wristwatch
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2014-06-09T12:39:12 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/09/game_changing_flying_3d_printer/
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2014-06-09T15:31:22 < Laurenceb__> meanwhile in england
2014-06-09T15:31:24 < Laurenceb__> https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=54.267229,-0.236206&spn=0.330428,0.617294&t=m&z=11
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2014-06-09T16:04:07 < Robint91> hi all
2014-06-09T16:05:24 < Steffanx>  lo Robint91
2014-06-09T16:08:02 < Robint91> how does it goes here?
2014-06-09T16:10:15 < Steffanx> wonderful, there?
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2014-06-09T16:10:59 < Robint91> meh good
2014-06-09T16:23:20 < Steffanx> no, it's perfect.
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2014-06-09T17:28:55 < Laurenceb__> rofl
2014-06-09T17:29:13 < Laurenceb__> just got email from ST count their microcontroller workshop
2014-06-09T17:29:28 < Laurenceb__> with everyone elses email attached
2014-06-09T17:29:37 < Laurenceb__> its all uni addresses
2014-06-09T17:29:53 < Laurenceb__> sounds epically boring
2014-06-09T17:33:20 < Steffanx> So totally your business.
2014-06-09T17:34:13 < Laurenceb__> please bring a pc and a phone with nfc and android developer suite
2014-06-09T17:34:14 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2014-06-09T17:34:27 < Laurenceb__> not going
2014-06-09T17:34:43 < Steffanx> lol
2014-06-09T17:34:51 < Laurenceb__> fail academy
2014-06-09T17:35:02 < Laurenceb__> theres like 3 other people on the list
2014-06-09T17:35:29 < Steffanx> i thought i was finally going to meet you, but .. no luck this time.
2014-06-09T17:35:53 < Laurenceb__> there are events everywhere
2014-06-09T17:36:23 < Laurenceb__> http://www.st.com/web/en/seminar/low_power_workshop_training_germany
2014-06-09T17:36:55 < Steffanx> None in The Netherlanders land.
2014-06-09T17:37:05 < Laurenceb__> oops sorry wrong country lol
2014-06-09T17:37:51 < Laurenceb__> im sure you dont want to write andriod apps for fun
2014-06-09T17:38:35 < dongs_> wow, the 4digit china current meter actually uses STM8S003
2014-06-09T17:38:47 < dongs_> and not pic or atmel trash
2014-06-09T17:38:49 < dongs_> they're learning
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2014-06-09T17:40:04 < Steffanx> You mean they finally copied some stm8 project instead of pic or AVR
2014-06-09T17:40:43 < dongs> well, and stm8 has proper 12bit adc
2014-06-09T17:40:49 < dongs> instea of the 10bit aids on avr
2014-06-09T17:41:40 < Laurenceb__> maybe there is a workshop event in japan dongs
2014-06-09T17:42:04 < Laurenceb__> you could have a fun day out with some perman00b students learning android apps
2014-06-09T17:42:40 < Laurenceb__> sounds fun amirite?
2014-06-09T17:43:07 < dongs> bed
2014-06-09T17:43:15 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-06-09T17:43:26 < Laurenceb__> shit my country is screwed
2014-06-09T17:43:39 < Laurenceb__> if this is the best event we can put on
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2014-06-09T17:56:15 < MasterChief10> Hello
2014-06-09T17:56:39 < MasterChief10> How to modify 8 bit in 32 bit port without affecting other bits?
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2014-06-09T18:10:59 < zyp> MasterChief10, what kinf of port?
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2014-06-09T18:12:11 < MasterChief10> zyp: heh, programming for Allwinner A13 Olinuxino Micro, bare metal, trying to get 16bit 8080mode LCD working
2014-06-09T18:13:44 < zyp> ok, not familiar with the GPIO blocks of that
2014-06-09T18:14:12 < MasterChief10> zyp: It has 32 bit port output value register but pins are PD2-PD7/8,9 missing/PD10-PD15/16.17 missing/PD18-PD27/28,29,30,31 missing
2014-06-09T18:14:20 < zyp> usually GPIO blocks have a way to modify only some bits without doing a read-modify-write
2014-06-09T18:14:55 < MasterChief10> seems like no such way with this IC
2014-06-09T18:16:06 < MasterChief10> zyp: I need to split 16 bit value in two parts, first 6 bit and second 10bit. then write them to port with read-modify-write
2014-06-09T18:16:18 < MasterChief10> zyp: how to do that?
2014-06-09T18:17:34 < zyp> why are you attempting to program an A13 bare metal before learning bitwise operations? :)
2014-06-09T18:18:21 < MasterChief10> I'm learning while attempting to program :)
2014-06-09T18:19:04 < MasterChief10> How to split 16 bit value in two parts? first 6 bit and other 10 bit?
2014-06-09T18:19:39 < zyp> that's a simple case of masking and shifting, find a tutorial or something on bitwise and and bitshift operators
2014-06-09T18:21:58 < MasterChief10> zyp: Thanks, your help worked fine :D
2014-06-09T18:23:52 < MasterChief10> i.e. I found it via google
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2014-06-09T18:36:56 < MasterChief10> zyp: please tell me if you know how to split 16 bit in two parts 6 bit and 10bit and replace bits in 32bit value from positions 10-15 18-27
2014-06-09T18:37:05 < MasterChief10> nothing found through google
2014-06-09T18:37:31 < MasterChief10> many examples how to split 16 bit in to two 8 bit but not in 6 and 10bit
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2014-06-09T18:39:35 < zyp> sure I do
2014-06-09T18:40:09 < MasterChief10> :) thank you
2014-06-09T18:41:15 < zyp> (x & 0x3ff) will give you the lowest ten bits in x
2014-06-09T18:42:01 < zyp> and (x & 0xfc00) will give you the remaining six, although they will still be in positions 10-15
2014-06-09T18:43:16 < zyp> 0x3ff is the same as 0b1111111111 and 0xfc00 is the same as 0b1111110000000000
2014-06-09T18:44:18 < zyp> so that's how you extract a group of bits from a word, and then you just shift them around and combine them back together with bitwise or
2014-06-09T18:44:51 < MasterChief10> :) thank you, now I need to shift at first first value by 13 bit left and second value by 21bit and assign them to 32bit value with ReadModifyWrite
2014-06-09T18:45:03 < MasterChief10> Will try if it works
2014-06-09T18:46:03 < MasterChief10> Lower bits are the bits right side and higher bits are left?
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2014-06-09T18:46:52 < MasterChief10> no, lower bits are left
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2014-06-09T18:53:36 < zyp> no
2014-06-09T18:53:43 < zyp> lower bits are on the right
2014-06-09T18:53:58 < zyp> remember that 01 is lower than 10 ;)
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2014-06-09T19:20:46 < MasterChief10> zyp:  this is all correct?
2014-06-09T19:20:46 < MasterChief10> dat = 0x01fb;
2014-06-09T19:20:46 < MasterChief10> uint8_t part1 = ((dat & 0xfc00)<<2);
2014-06-09T19:20:46 < MasterChief10> uint16_t part2 = (dat & 0xfc00);
2014-06-09T19:20:46 < MasterChief10> uint32_t result = (part1 << 24 ) | (part2 & 0xffffffff);
2014-06-09T19:20:47 < MasterChief10> *portDData = result<<20;
2014-06-09T19:21:45 < zyp> no
2014-06-09T19:22:11 < MasterChief10> Why?
2014-06-09T19:23:42 < MasterChief10> there must be *portDData |= result<<20; instead
2014-06-09T19:23:48 < MasterChief10> something else?
2014-06-09T19:23:53 < zyp> no, that's also wrong
2014-06-09T19:24:31 < MasterChief10> ah yes, but except last line everything is correct, right?
2014-06-09T19:24:34 < zyp> first of all, make all of them uint32_t, no reason to deal with smaller sizes
2014-06-09T19:25:00 < zyp> and you're using the same mask for part1 and part2, I don't think you want that
2014-06-09T19:25:29 < zyp> and I also don't understand why you're shifting part1 twice and masking part2 twice
2014-06-09T19:26:06 < Robint91> MasterChief10, watching E3/XBOX thingy
2014-06-09T19:26:48 < zyp> MasterChief10, anyway, which bits do you want on which pins?
2014-06-09T19:27:47 < MasterChief10> set first 6 bit in position 10-15, other 10bit from position 18, positions 28,29,30,31 has no meaning
2014-06-09T19:28:27 < MasterChief10> zyp: from 16 bit value
2014-06-09T19:28:41 < zyp> ok
2014-06-09T19:29:17 < MasterChief10> zyp: but not to modify bits 0-10 in 32bit value
2014-06-09T19:33:37 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/4gJ72
2014-06-09T19:34:40 < MasterChief10> zyp: THANK YOU :) :)
2014-06-09T19:34:52 < zyp> the mask for old-data keeps 0-9, 16-17 and 28-31
2014-06-09T19:35:56 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27768001
2014-06-09T19:36:03 < Laurenceb__> moron base, what were they expecting
2014-06-09T19:36:50 < zyp> I guess they were expecting to land, not to crash
2014-06-09T19:37:31 < MasterChief10> Why they must expect crashing?
2014-06-09T19:38:10 < MasterChief10> it's not a good jet?
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2014-06-09T19:39:26 < zyp> MasterChief10, I suggest you just ignore Laurenceb__, unless you also find it amusing that the name of the base contains the word «Moron»
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2014-06-09T20:06:06 < MasterChief10> http://pastebin.com/5GnquSUC is this correct? when CPU frequency is 1008000000Hz
2014-06-09T20:06:49 < MasterChief10> accuracy is not necessary
2014-06-09T20:07:55 < MasterChief10> ok, one s++ on top not needed
2014-06-09T20:08:31 < SlaveToTheSauce_> lol
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2014-06-10T02:34:47 < dongs> eh
2014-06-10T02:34:51 < dongs> ADI buys hittite
2014-06-10T02:44:09 < ds2> hmmm
2014-06-10T02:58:19 < emeb> price increases in 3... 2... 1...
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2014-06-10T03:06:46 < ds2> maybe the specs might improve
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2014-06-10T03:25:55 < emeb> hah! you're funny.
2014-06-10T03:43:26 < englishman> hittite for $2.45 billion... wow
2014-06-10T03:43:41 < englishman> fabless?
2014-06-10T03:44:26 < englishman> stock went up 30% today
2014-06-10T03:44:39 < dongs> fagless
2014-06-10T03:44:48 < dongs> 30% from wat, 0.01$/sahre?
2014-06-10T03:44:52 < englishman> unlike dongsco
2014-06-10T03:45:00 < englishman> resting at 77.9
2014-06-10T03:45:22 < dongs> apparently everyone should be buying invensense stock
2014-06-10T03:45:28 < dongs> because its gonna be in next apple itrash
2014-06-10T03:45:40 < englishman> ok, have time to order tomorrow :)
2014-06-10T03:47:07 < englishman> what is apple using now
2014-06-10T03:47:24 < englishman> i thought invensense stuff was just for that sort of thing
2014-06-10T03:47:45 < dongs> yes thats aht tehyt're using but they'll be using more in iwatch.
2014-06-10T03:47:56 < dongs> and every glossy white loving faggot will buy a couple
2014-06-10T03:48:03 < englishman> oh new non iphone trash
2014-06-10T03:48:15 < englishman> i thougth they already had a watch
2014-06-10T03:48:37 < englishman> https://www.google.ca/search?q=ipod+nano+watch&tbm=isch
2014-06-10T03:49:41 < dongs> thats a dumb one
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2014-06-10T06:51:35 < tungd> hi there, I have STM32F4 Dicovery board (STM32F407). When I try to read from SD card, most of the times the SD_PowerON function keep running forever
2014-06-10T06:52:01 < tungd> the only time it run correctly is when I set break point and step through it
2014-06-10T06:52:42 < tungd> I'm using the code for reading from SD card with SDIO from http://nemuisan.blog.bai.ne.jp/?eid=192848#STM32F4
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2014-06-10T07:21:40 < upgrdman> tungd: if debugging fixes it the problem is likely related to timing.
2014-06-10T07:22:00 < upgrdman> your function might not be waiting long enough for the sd card to respond
2014-06-10T07:22:58 < tungd> thanks. I see the SDIO_CMD0TIMEOUT is set to 0x00010000, when I set it to smaller value it does return with timeout error
2014-06-10T07:23:44 < tungd> but for the default value 0x00010000, it runs for very long time and doesn't seem to reflect the value at all
2014-06-10T07:24:14 < tungd> in general, how long should I wait for the SD card?
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2014-06-10T07:28:07 < upgrdman> i havn't done much with sd card, and the little i did was a year ago
2014-06-10T07:28:25 < upgrdman> there's an elm page that covers the timing and responces
2014-06-10T07:28:38 < upgrdman> http://elm-chan.org/docs/mmc/mmc_e.html
2014-06-10T07:29:19 < upgrdman> i suppose as a quick hack you could try setting that timeout variable to something huge to see if that fixes the problem.
2014-06-10T07:30:10 < tungd> I see, I'll try. Thank you very much.
2014-06-10T07:30:40 < upgrdman> iirc the majority of timing is "wait for a falling edge on the data out line"
2014-06-10T07:31:03 < dongs> upgrdman: update on tweezers blog?
2014-06-10T07:31:09 < upgrdman> dongs: ya
2014-06-10T07:31:14 < upgrdman> i sent it back to amazon
2014-06-10T07:31:14 < upgrdman> and
2014-06-10T07:31:41 < upgrdman> the tweezer people gave me a small discount and sent me a new one. should be here wednesday
2014-06-10T07:32:42 < dongs> cool
2014-06-10T07:33:57 < upgrdman> the customer service girl seems nice and genuinely caring. and bottom line is a 30-day money back / 1 year warranty.
2014-06-10T07:34:09 < upgrdman> so we'll see.
2014-06-10T07:34:31 < upgrdman> if they work i'll be happy. they're a really nice form factor for an LCR meter.
2014-06-10T07:35:44 < tungd> upgrdman: one more thing, I have the STM32F4DIS-BB expansion board for the SD slot, how can I see if the pin configuration is correct?
2014-06-10T07:36:07 < upgrdman> no idea. have not playing with one of those.
2014-06-10T07:36:26 < upgrdman> see if there's a schematic and start probing.
2014-06-10T07:36:56 < tungd> ok thanks
2014-06-10T07:37:14 < upgrdman> (i've only wired an SD slot to SPI pins manually)
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2014-06-10T13:17:42 < Laurenceb__> whats likely to happen on F1 if i2c is enabled and there is noise on the bus?
2014-06-10T13:18:01 < Laurenceb__> could it cause an i2c error or event interrupt?
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2014-06-10T13:29:52 < Laurenceb__> general call is disabled by default, so unlikely?
2014-06-10T13:31:06 < zyp> are you talking about master or slave?
2014-06-10T13:31:11 < Laurenceb__> slave
2014-06-10T13:31:17 < Laurenceb__> the i2c isnt being used
2014-06-10T13:31:34 < Laurenceb__> but something is jamming inside a high priority interrupt
2014-06-10T13:31:37 < dongs> zyp has some nice software bitbang i2c slave code
2014-06-10T13:31:44 < Laurenceb__> i suspect it might be i2c noise
2014-06-10T13:31:59 < Laurenceb__> theres an unconnected header on this board for i2c
2014-06-10T13:32:04 < Laurenceb__> but it has pullups
2014-06-10T13:32:30 < Laurenceb__> havent been able to replicate it with jtag :-/
2014-06-10T13:33:00 < Laurenceb__> of course the user could be a tard
2014-06-10T13:33:19 < Laurenceb__> ive never seen the same issue occur with mine kit or any of the other users kit
2014-06-10T13:33:23 < Laurenceb__> *my kit
2014-06-10T13:34:00 < zyp> yeah, I've heard that high interrupt load/deadlocks is commonly a user caused problem
2014-06-10T13:34:24 < Laurenceb__> heh
2014-06-10T13:34:50 < Laurenceb__> thats my guess to explain what the described
2014-06-10T13:35:22 < Laurenceb__> when they complained last time that usb didnt work.. the cable wasnt plugged in
2014-06-10T13:37:03 < Laurenceb__> could a bus error or overrun occur?
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2014-06-10T13:39:50 < Laurenceb__> hmm my reading of the ref manual is that that could occur
2014-06-10T13:42:07 < Laurenceb__> this potentially could cause issues
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2014-06-10T14:21:50 < dongs> ohh
2014-06-10T14:21:55 < dongs> diptrace 2.4 beta
2014-06-10T14:22:11 < dongs> Beta-Version 2.4 (June 5, 2014)
2014-06-10T14:22:32 < Laurenceb__> but theres 5k pullups on the i2c...
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2014-06-10T14:22:46 < Laurenceb__> thats some strong interference
2014-06-10T14:22:48 < dongs> Laurenceb__: i have i2c with 1k pullups
2014-06-10T14:23:05 < dongs> also, if you arent using i2c
2014-06-10T14:23:07 < Laurenceb__> yeah im just wondering if interference could ever be that bad
2014-06-10T14:23:07 < dongs> and i2c peripheral isnt on
2014-06-10T14:23:19 < dongs> why the fuck would it do anything?
2014-06-10T14:23:22 < Laurenceb__> thats the issue with my current firmware
2014-06-10T14:23:27 < dongs> ?
2014-06-10T14:23:28 < Laurenceb__> i2c is left on all the time
2014-06-10T14:23:30 < dongs> why?
2014-06-10T14:23:36 < Laurenceb__> even if the cable is left dangling
2014-06-10T14:23:43 < Laurenceb__> because i fail at power management
2014-06-10T14:23:58 < Laurenceb__> ill make this fix anyway, as it will improve battery life
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2014-06-10T14:40:32 < dongs> woah
2014-06-10T14:41:52 < dongs> new dicktrace is prety hot
2014-06-10T14:44:01 < jpa-> did it trace your dick in no time?
2014-06-10T14:47:23 < Steffanx> You know what they say about jappylanders, don't you jpa- ?
2014-06-10T14:49:27 < jpa-> yes, yes, the 0201 dicks
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2014-06-10T14:52:54 < dongs> nice, all their exes are signed now
2014-06-10T14:58:24 < Laurenceb__> argg
2014-06-10T14:58:31 < Laurenceb__> more dataloggers failing
2014-06-10T14:58:36 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-06-10T14:58:40 < dongs> WHISKERS
2014-06-10T14:58:45 < Laurenceb__> files have size of zero
2014-06-10T14:58:46 < Laurenceb__> wtf
2014-06-10T14:58:54 < dongs> blame tin whiskers and ROHS
2014-06-10T14:59:29 < Laurenceb__> is it possible for a file thats synced in fatfs to show as size zero if the device loses power later?
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2014-06-10T15:01:26 < Laurenceb__> shit makes no sense
2014-06-10T15:02:02 < Laurenceb__> ill have to pick up the box and copy off the whole card
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2014-06-10T15:06:26 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__, it's time to replace your dataloggers with a full blown windows system.
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2014-06-10T15:06:42 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-06-10T15:07:00 < Laurenceb__> well my boss want to replace them with raspberry pi
2014-06-10T15:07:05 < Laurenceb__> *wants
2014-06-10T15:07:25 < Laurenceb__> but that would only run for... 2 hours
2014-06-10T15:07:47 < dongs> your boss can hire me to design a non-failure datablogger
2014-06-10T15:07:47 < Steffanx> heh, like those are fool proof. The SD cards in those get corrupted every day.
2014-06-10T15:07:56 < dongs> but that would progbably cost more than assberry pi
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2014-06-10T15:10:03 < Steffanx> You don't do voluntary work
2014-06-10T15:10:05 < Steffanx> ?
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2014-06-10T18:13:17 < Laurenceb__> <SgtBurned> Dont suppose you guys need a software engineer with background in embedded devices?
2014-06-10T18:13:29 < Laurenceb__> <Laurenceb__> what hardware have you worked with?
2014-06-10T18:13:41 < Laurenceb__> <SgtBurned> well I use the Raspberry Pi mainly, Arduino's and will be doing work with the Atmega
2014-06-10T18:14:50 < zyp> everybody needs to start somewhere?
2014-06-10T18:20:30 < Steffanx> fun fact: Laurenceb__ started with bascom.
2014-06-10T18:21:15 < Laurenceb__> more pro than tarduino
2014-06-10T18:21:27 < Steffanx> LOL sure.
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2014-06-10T18:50:30 < Laurenceb__> ok datalogger recovered
2014-06-10T18:50:44 < Laurenceb__> now i need to work out how to debug this
2014-06-10T18:51:01 < Laurenceb__> is there a command like touch to increase file size?
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2014-06-10T18:52:25 < zippe> cat?
2014-06-10T18:52:45 < Laurenceb__> doh
2014-06-10T18:52:52 < zippe> dd if=/dev/zero bs=1 count=1024 >> somefile
2014-06-10T18:52:54 < Laurenceb__> yeah just forget about the size, simples
2014-06-10T18:54:02 < Laurenceb__> only thats not working
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2014-06-10T18:54:29 < Laurenceb__> i dunno what im doing here :-/
2014-06-10T18:55:23 < Laurenceb__> i tried to grep the device
2014-06-10T18:55:55 < Laurenceb__> grep: /dev/sdb1: Cannot allocate memory
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2014-06-10T18:58:39 < Laurenceb__> i guess i could try to use foremost
2014-06-10T18:58:56 < Laurenceb__> but that will be no fun, 4GB to trawl through, that will take until tomorrow
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2014-06-10T19:13:56 < Laurenceb__> should filenames be at the start of the device?
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2014-06-10T19:29:47 < baird> gnu grep has a mmap-enabling option.. I think that would get around the memory allocation issue
2014-06-10T19:30:22 < Laurenceb__> ok
2014-06-10T19:30:34 < Laurenceb__> atm im running
2014-06-10T19:30:35 < Laurenceb__> sudo dd if=/dev/sdb1 bs=512 count=2000 | grep -a "2014-06-10"
2014-06-10T19:30:49 < Laurenceb__> but its going to be a while
2014-06-10T19:30:51 < baird> ".. | strings | .." as well?
2014-06-10T19:31:02 < Laurenceb__> ?
2014-06-10T19:32:06 < baird> No idea what your datalogger is like, but when searching regular raw disk images, strings(1) would eliminate a lot of the binary bulkage from being grep
2014-06-10T19:32:21 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-06-10T19:32:48 < Laurenceb__> ok so what i want to know is if that string appears once or twice in the filesystem
2014-06-10T19:32:52 < baird> strings plucks out the C-style null-terminated char
2014-06-10T19:33:00 < Laurenceb__> it is the filename, which i can see
2014-06-10T19:33:13 < Laurenceb__> but it sohlud be in the file header, which i cant see
2014-06-10T19:33:18 < Laurenceb__> so i dont know if it exists
2014-06-10T19:33:27 < Laurenceb__> whats the best way to do this?
2014-06-10T19:33:49 < Laurenceb__> im not sure if nothing was written to the file, or if the size was later set to zero
2014-06-10T19:37:42 < Laurenceb__> nvm its working now
2014-06-10T19:37:44 < dongs> wow
2014-06-10T19:37:48 < dongs> this ebay meter is awesome
2014-06-10T19:37:54 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171258623046
2014-06-10T19:38:05 < dongs> got it and hooked it up
2014-06-10T19:38:14 < dongs> i can see different mA wehn red or green led is on
2014-06-10T19:38:28 < dongs> impress
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2014-06-10T19:40:32 < zyp> wow
2014-06-10T19:40:34 < zyp> much digit
2014-06-10T19:40:41 < dongs> yaman
2014-06-10T19:40:42 < zyp> such precision
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2014-06-10T19:43:11 < dongs> and  the color isnt annoying
2014-06-10T19:46:41 < Laurenceb__> this is weird
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2014-06-10T19:46:54 < Laurenceb__> so for some reason the data is there but filesize has been set to zero
2014-06-10T19:49:09 < Laurenceb__> http://pastebin.com/XACvUcsw
2014-06-10T19:49:13 < Laurenceb__> ^looks sane?
2014-06-10T19:49:58 < dongs> no
2014-06-10T19:50:02 < dongs> no code you paste ever looks sane
2014-06-10T19:50:09 < dongs> that fucking spacing/indentation/holy shit
2014-06-10T19:50:21 < dongs> i bet if you just reindent all your shit you'll instantly find like 20 bugs
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2014-06-10T19:55:38 < aadamson> ^ astyle is your friend :)
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2014-06-10T19:57:06 < aadamson> astyle -A1 -C -S -w -Y -f -p -H -U -k3 -W3 -c *.c *.h <- this seems to work pretty well for me and I tend to do it every so often to clean up going brain dead when adding or changing code
2014-06-10T19:57:24 < aadamson> it's available on all the platforms for the most part
2014-06-10T19:57:37 < dongs> please tell me -k3 -W3 doesn't mean 3space tab/indent
2014-06-10T19:57:53 < aadamson> and if using githut which doesn't deal with tab alignment very well that will fix that
2014-06-10T19:57:58 < aadamson> no it's no dongs
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2014-06-10T19:58:16 < aadamson> I use whatever the default is there, and I'm pretty sure it's 4 space indent
2014-06-10T19:59:13 < aadamson> -k3 deals with how it aligns pointer spaces
2014-06-10T19:59:36 < aadamson> -W3 is about reference alignment
2014-06-10T19:59:42 < aadamson> http://astyle.sourceforge.net/astyle.html
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2014-06-10T20:18:30 < Laurenceb__> i wonder if there are bugs in fatfs
2014-06-10T20:23:21 < aadamson> what version are you using and is that the chanfs stuff?
2014-06-10T20:25:40 < Laurenceb__> yeah chanfs
2014-06-10T20:25:47 < Laurenceb__> its quite old now, i should update
2014-06-10T20:25:55 < Laurenceb__> but i dont see any important bugfixes
2014-06-10T20:30:08 < aadamson> I think st is now including .9 or 9.x whatever it is with their distributions
2014-06-10T20:30:22 < aadamson> not sure what was changed, when I messed it it I upgrade from 7 to 9 myself
2014-06-10T20:30:29 < aadamson> but that was over spi not sdi
2014-06-10T20:31:16 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-06-10T20:31:29 < Laurenceb__> this is like looking for a needle in a haystack
2014-06-10T20:31:56 < Laurenceb__> ive had several of these failures in the field
2014-06-10T20:32:03 < Laurenceb__> but never been able to replicate them
2014-06-10T20:32:13 < Laurenceb__> at least i have the drive now, but i dont know how to debug it
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2014-06-10T20:32:46 < aadamson> any way it's related to a *reopen* of the file before a close and filename change
2014-06-10T20:33:12 < Laurenceb__> ok
2014-06-10T20:33:19 < Laurenceb__> im not doing anything that complex
2014-06-10T20:33:19 < aadamson> that would give you a zero length fat entry, but probably the file would have contents
2014-06-10T20:34:05 < Laurenceb__> i could try editing the fat entry and seeing if that gives me a uncorrupted file of the correct size
2014-06-10T20:34:23 < aadamson> yeah, dup that sdcard first :)
2014-06-10T20:34:27 < aadamson> with an imager
2014-06-10T20:34:35 < Laurenceb__> yeah i will
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2014-06-10T21:08:59 < zyp> so I heard C is dead and javascript is the thing now
2014-06-10T21:09:00 < zyp> https://www.trycelery.com/shop/TEC
2014-06-10T21:10:58 < synic> so now there's two JS dev boards?
2014-06-10T21:11:55 < synic> at least it's not named with "uino", like espruino
2014-06-10T21:12:26 < zyp> noduino
2014-06-10T21:13:26 < synic> see, that would have been clever
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2014-06-11T03:19:50 < dongs> sup innovation
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2014-06-11T03:32:44 < Simon--> the innovation counter wrapped around
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2014-06-11T05:26:39 < dongs> haha
2014-06-11T05:26:58 < dongs> thats waht you get for using 8bit timer
2014-06-11T05:28:31 < upgrdman> math put to good use:  http://i.imgur.com/olAEVya.gif
2014-06-11T05:36:42 < dongs> probably made with MANLAB
2014-06-11T05:45:05 < emeb> bad execution - the phase rate isn't constant and the real coordinate isn't mapped.
2014-06-11T05:45:45 < zyp> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=penis+curve <- this was not the result I expected
2014-06-11T05:45:53 < zyp> kinda surprised it had a result at all
2014-06-11T05:46:22 < upgrdman> lol
2014-06-11T05:47:01 < emeb> pro tip - don't look for that in an image search
2014-06-11T05:47:32 < emeb> another pro-tip: don't do an image search for cstring
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2014-06-11T05:49:34 < zyp> I wonder why this DHL shipment went «Shipment picked up», «Shipment on hold», «Awaiting collection by recipient as requested» over the course of just above an hour
2014-06-11T05:49:58 < zyp> sounds like they expect me to come to HK to collect it
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2014-06-11T05:50:56 < dongs> http://www.maleenhancementpr.com/wp-content/uploads/non-invasive-means-of-treating-or-correcting-a-curved-penis-using-traction-extenders1-300x225.jpg
2014-06-11T05:51:07 < dongs> totally legit url
2014-06-11T05:53:32 < emeb> def. not clicking
2014-06-11T05:59:04 < upgrdman> lol. its just cg.
2014-06-11T05:59:59 < dongs> usure its cg?
2014-06-11T06:00:37 < dongs> damn, i need to find my SWD connectors bag.
2014-06-11T06:06:59 < emeb> the nice thing about standards - so many to choose from...
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2014-06-11T06:32:37 < dongs> http://lifehacker.com/turn-an-ipad-s-lcd-screen-into-an-extra-screen-for-your-1588804186 oh noez i'm on gawker after 2 clicks
2014-06-11T06:36:41 < upgrdman> why not mass produce your adapters?
2014-06-11T06:38:45 < dongs> I am, sorta.
2014-06-11T06:38:52 < dongs> i m ean, like 300 every couple weeks
2014-06-11T06:39:09 < upgrdman> oh ok
2014-06-11T06:39:15 < dongs> i dont liek to front part cost for more than that
2014-06-11T06:39:20 < upgrdman> sure
2014-06-11T06:39:28 < upgrdman> didn't know you were doing that much already
2014-06-11T06:39:40 < dongs> yeah, japs are buying that shit up like crazy
2014-06-11T06:40:08 < upgrdman> your adapter is just a passthrough for the video signal, and some regulators for the LEDs?
2014-06-11T06:40:38 < dongs> pretty much
2014-06-11T06:41:18 < dongs> hmm wtf
2014-06-11T06:41:27 < upgrdman> if i get a new tablet im tempted to hack up my ipad3 with one of your boards so i can finally have a portable lcd with good resoluton/contrast.
2014-06-11T06:41:30 < dongs> i reconfigured PB2 as Out_PP and its not working
2014-06-11T06:41:42 < dongs> upgrdman: well, panel is like 50bux on ebay/wahtever.
2014-06-11T06:41:56 < dongs> probably cheaper than the kit y ou'll need to take shitpad apart without breaking it
2014-06-11T06:42:00 < upgrdman> ya. but i have a old tablet layout around
2014-06-11T06:42:05 < upgrdman> oh ok
2014-06-11T06:42:05 < dongs> i.e. screwdriver kit from ifixit or wahtever
2014-06-11T06:42:27 < upgrdman> are datasheets for the lcd and backlight available?
2014-06-11T06:42:37 < dongs> sure, all over the place
2014-06-11T06:42:43 < dongs> LP097QX or whatever
2014-06-11T06:42:52 < dongs> there's liek a few different variations but they're all same electrically
2014-06-11T06:43:05 < upgrdman> for the backlight, are hte LEDs in series or parallel?
2014-06-11T06:43:23 < dongs> both
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2014-06-11T06:43:34 < dongs> there's 12 strings in series
2014-06-11T06:43:54 < dongs> so 12 parallel, 6 series (if i remeber its 6
2014-06-11T06:44:19 < upgrdman> lots of LEDs. hehe
2014-06-11T06:44:23 < dongs> yep
2014-06-11T06:44:34 < dongs> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4c7mg2bhz6Y/UetVXabd-SI/AAAAAAAAASI/RhoQ67Rur5U/s1600/backlight.jpg
2014-06-11T06:44:56 < dongs> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xqKs0UT6708/UetVZzE7K_I/AAAAAAAAASQ/XNg_K2DhPj0/s1600/backlight_logo.jpg
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2014-06-11T06:45:23 < upgrdman> neat
2014-06-11T06:46:23 < upgrdman> i was kinda hoping to hack my ipad3 and reuse it's LiPo to power the LCD. then i would just need a DP cord sticking out, and maybe a microusb for charging the lipo
2014-06-11T06:46:35 < upgrdman> but if theyre a bitch to open up... :(
2014-06-11T06:46:51 < dongs> hmm... heh
2014-06-11T06:47:08 < dongs> upgrdman: current plan is to do a thunderdong powered one, and if im not lazy, include lipo charger circuit
2014-06-11T06:47:19 < upgrdman> well... i would actually love a 15" retina lcd turned into a portable lcd.
2014-06-11T06:47:33 < upgrdman> but they dont seem as popular
2014-06-11T06:47:37 < upgrdman> prolly $$
2014-06-11T06:47:46 < dongs> bought trashmini for testing thunderbolt shit.
2014-06-11T06:48:04 < upgrdman> can tb provide power?
2014-06-11T06:48:12 < dongs> yes
2014-06-11T06:48:59 < dongs> yay pb2 working as gpio
2014-06-11T06:57:27 < englishman> cumbook > retina
2014-06-11T07:10:07 < dongs> http://www.mtmscientific.com/pc-retro.html
2014-06-11T07:10:08 < dongs> loool
2014-06-11T07:10:57 < emeb> oh dear
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2014-06-11T07:28:51 < zippe> hell yes!
2014-06-11T07:29:36 < zippe> I shudder to think where they are getting the DRAMs from
2014-06-11T07:29:52 < zippe> The set of 9 in their picture of the expansion kit have date codes from 82 to 84.
2014-06-11T07:30:09 < zippe> So they have to be pulls from something
2014-06-11T07:30:19 < baird> Someone's doing a Commodore64 motherboard kit.. The geniuses have the bare board going for E170. :/
2014-06-11T07:31:40 < dongs> olde new stock
2014-06-11T07:32:03 < dongs> zippe, after tehy run out of old stock, they could just throw a wlcsp fpga with some blockram on there to emulate sram
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2014-06-11T07:32:49 < dongs> make it in the form of one of thsoe SMD>DIP adapters
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2014-06-11T11:55:54 < jpa-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cox%E2%80%93Zucker_machine   just what i needed!
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2014-06-11T12:57:23 < Laurenceb__> http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5265653&cid=47209621
2014-06-11T12:57:24 < baird> aha at the Talk ..
2014-06-11T12:57:28 < Laurenceb__> dongs is on slashdot?
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2014-06-11T12:59:08 < dongs> wat
2014-06-11T13:00:37 < GargantuaSauce> you passed up a perfectly good opportunity to say "slashdongs"
2014-06-11T13:00:40 < GargantuaSauce> reprehensible.
2014-06-11T13:00:54 < Laurenceb__> heh
2014-06-11T13:01:01 < Laurenceb__> today i fixed my datalogger
2014-06-11T13:01:14 < Laurenceb__> microchip wifi module was killing it
2014-06-11T13:01:39 < Laurenceb__> spitting out junk on usart and causing errors that werent handled correctly
2014-06-11T13:03:21 < Laurenceb__> the wifi module also locks up if its sent a load of data more quickly than it can tx
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2014-06-11T13:33:22 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfw0KapQ3qw relevant
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2014-06-11T15:44:42 < Laurenceb__> arg wtf
2014-06-11T15:44:52 < Laurenceb__> i havent fixed the issue... i dont think
2014-06-11T15:45:01 < Laurenceb__> anyone used usart on F1 ?
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2014-06-11T15:55:56 < Laurenceb__> http://pastie.org/9280064
2014-06-11T15:56:08 < Laurenceb__> lines 16 and 17 seem to be needed aiui
2014-06-11T15:56:30 < Laurenceb__> i think i fixed it now
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2014-06-11T17:38:41 < Steffanx> Anyone knows where i could've found that the L1 needs it's usb pins set to input and not to AF?
2014-06-11T17:39:15 < Steffanx> Or do i really overlook something in the ref man?
2014-06-11T18:05:58 < jpa-> on this channel logs or chibios forums
2014-06-11T18:06:06 < Steffanx> oh, it's jpa who wrote about it on the chibios forum, does jpa- remember where he got the info from?
2014-06-11T18:06:54 < Steffanx> oh, so it's actually not documented somewhere?
2014-06-11T18:06:55 < jpa-> 2013-02-02T17:06:27 < jpa-> on the other hand, on STM32L1 (which has the same AFRL stuff), for example the USB peripheral requires you to configure pins as "INPUT" instead of "ALTERNATE"
2014-06-11T18:07:07 < jpa-> i got it by trial and error
2014-06-11T18:07:12 < Steffanx> hmpf
2014-06-11T18:07:31 < Steffanx> thanks anyway :)
2014-06-11T18:08:06 < jpa-> you're welcome :)
2014-06-11T18:11:38 < karlp> hrm, I guess that's why my 1l usb things just don't have any gpio config for the l1. defaulted to input
2014-06-11T18:11:46 < karlp> man, Ig ot lucky.
2014-06-11T18:18:24 < trepidaciousMBR> wow that's awful
2014-06-11T18:18:40 < dongs> haha
2014-06-11T18:18:57 < Steffanx> yeah, ST "relies" on that as well in their example code.
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2014-06-11T18:20:53 < trepidaciousMBR> ST seem to make mostly great chips, then mess up a random selection of simple stuff, plus various epic fails with documentation. Seems like they could just be a little more careful and be much easier to develop for :(
2014-06-11T18:21:23 < jpa-> "but this way we can sell training!"
2014-06-11T18:34:26 < trepidaciousMBR> Heh yeah :)
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2014-06-11T18:45:49 < madist> in which country is ST's design team ?
2014-06-11T18:48:04 < karlp> at least some of it's french
2014-06-11T18:48:19 < Laurenceb__> even the usart is buggy ;P
2014-06-11T18:48:22 < BrainDamage> france and italy
2014-06-11T18:49:00 < BrainDamage> depends on which field, I know quite a bit digital stuff Is done in agrate for instance
2014-06-11T18:51:47 < karlp> lots in crolle as well
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2014-06-11T19:47:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/gpzohqk.jpg so dust
2014-06-11T19:49:17 < BrainDamage> very usb, many connectors
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2014-06-12T04:03:37 < dongs> god damn this panasonic code is fucking garbage
2014-06-12T04:03:44 < dongs> vendor code sucks in general but god damn
2014-06-12T04:03:52 < dongs> ldsfjsdlkfjsdlkfjsd
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2014-06-12T04:11:17 < pun84> What would cause my st-link's MCU Core feature to not work properly?
2014-06-12T04:19:19 < dongs> 666000000 is that < maxint32?
2014-06-12T04:19:36 < dongs> hm guess so
2014-06-12T04:23:14 < dongs> so this "2A" wallwart starts at 5.16V at zero curren
2014-06-12T04:23:20 < dongs> drops to 5.0 at 1.2A
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2014-06-12T05:30:10 < madist> could be much better, but 3% regulation is very acceptable.
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2014-06-12T06:21:19 < upgrdman> tweezer people sent my replacement via DHL. wtf. who still uses DHL? those idiots couldn't deliver my package today because they couldn't get into a gated complex. i guess they really don't deliver many packages in my area.
2014-06-12T06:26:34 < gxti> domestic?
2014-06-12T06:27:00 < upgrdman> international
2014-06-12T06:27:04 < upgrdman> from canada to usa
2014-06-12T06:27:19 < gxti> for international it costs less than ups/fedex
2014-06-12T06:27:27 < upgrdman> orly? hmmm
2014-06-12T06:27:36 < gxti> mostly because of customs broker fees
2014-06-12T06:28:09 < gxti> that said, for canada personally i would have just used regular mail unless it's big
2014-06-12T06:28:45 < upgrdman> package shouldn't be much bigger than a small phone book
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2014-06-12T07:09:07 < upgrdman> neat tool to measure elemental composition. i wonder how much this costs   http://imgur.com/4RZgSBE
2014-06-12T07:16:53 < GargantuaSauce> judging by the fact that their site says "request quote" instead of naming a price
2014-06-12T07:16:54 < GargantuaSauce> lots.
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2014-06-12T08:28:56 < upgrdman> anyone know of a source for monochrome OLED displays that are >3" ? there's tons of little ones, but i'd like something around 4 - 6"
2014-06-12T08:33:59 < jpa-> on related note, if someone knows a source for flexible OLED displays, i would be interested
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2014-06-12T08:48:55 < dongs> heh
2014-06-12T08:49:11 < dongs> you and a dozen other startups on dickstarter
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2014-06-12T08:59:36 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm/comments
2014-06-12T08:59:37 < dongs> haha
2014-06-12T09:11:53 < dongs> so synaptics bought renesas tcon division
2014-06-12T09:11:59 < dongs> probably to avoid apple doing same :)
2014-06-12T09:13:27 < upgrdman> any of the cheap cell phone lcd's have lcd controllers instead of lcd drivers?
2014-06-12T09:13:49 < upgrdman> (in order words, a pixel buffer in the COG/COF)
2014-06-12T09:14:10 < jpa-> apparently ipod nano displays atleast have framebuffer in the display
2014-06-12T09:14:19 < jpa-> dunno about larger ones
2014-06-12T09:14:21 < dongs> um, all the cheap ones do...
2014-06-12T09:18:47 < upgrdman> lol @ reply    http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php/topic,14209.0.html
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2014-06-12T09:21:28 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj3uHftd5FQ oh wow
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2014-06-12T10:44:23 < Laurenceb_> fapfapfap
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2014-06-12T10:56:05 < dongs> how do i change track width for a netclass on pcb (altium)
2014-06-12T10:56:19 < dongs> i added new design rule that needs thin traces and cant see a way to force the existing ones to resize
2014-06-12T11:01:45 < dongs> got it
2014-06-12T11:01:56 < dongs> build quiery->inNetClass('foo'), run inspectro
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2014-06-12T17:06:39 < Laurenceb__> http://www.st.com/web/en/news/n3550
2014-06-12T17:06:42 < Laurenceb__> is this new?
2014-06-12T17:13:21 < dongs> lol  shit drops below 5V at onl 1.5A
2014-06-12T17:13:50 < dongs> Laurenceb__: new
2014-06-12T17:14:28 < Laurenceb__> cool
2014-06-12T17:21:28 < Steffanx> 11 jun 2014 is new, not Laurenceb__ ? :P
2014-06-12T17:43:11 < karlp> nice, click the "for more infomration" link, and it's broken.
2014-06-12T17:44:05 < dongs> its jsut a generic /STM32 link
2014-06-12T17:44:14 < dongs> or is that brok ntoo
2014-06-12T17:44:16 < karlp> yeah, but it's broken
2014-06-12T17:44:19 < karlp> it needs to be /stm32
2014-06-12T17:44:23 < dongs> haha
2014-06-12T17:44:31 < dongs> such fail
2014-06-12T17:44:39 < karlp> so these are 1.8V _only_
2014-06-12T17:44:43 < karlp> that's not what I was expecting
2014-06-12T17:44:58 < dongs> 1.8V w/1.8 or 3.3V I/O
2014-06-12T17:45:15 < dongs> seems reasonable tom e.
2014-06-12T17:45:34 < karlp> hrmm, need to read better
2014-06-12T17:46:03 < karlp> the f3 product matrix talks about the "Advanced 16bit PMW timer" too, more graet spelling
2014-06-12T17:47:14 < karlp> f318 datasheet is already revision 2
2014-06-12T17:47:18 < dongs> at least its not a PWN timer
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2014-06-12T18:00:25 < karlp> st has an "MCU FInder" android app, that requires permissions to make phone calls
2014-06-12T18:00:56 < emeb> forget that
2014-06-12T18:00:59 < karlp> let me guess, some knob jockey added a button to call a support line, and made it a button that _calls_ instead of popping a request to call and be handled by droid like normal
2014-06-12T18:01:10 < Steffanx> lets install it
2014-06-12T18:01:42 < BrainDamage> some android roms let you strip off permissions out of apps
2014-06-12T18:02:06 < Steffanx> i think i have one  of those android versions. At least i use some fancy non-official one
2014-06-12T18:02:21 < Steffanx> but i don't use my non-very-fancy phone very often.
2014-06-12T18:03:17 < emeb> hard to ring up grandma on irc
2014-06-12T18:03:25 < karlp> was a feature of 4.3, that got dropped in 4.4 or something no BrainDamage?
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2014-06-12T18:03:52 < Steffanx> We have a land line for that emeb
2014-06-12T18:04:34 < Steffanx> Whoa even an iOS version.
2014-06-12T18:05:21 < emeb> Steffanx: QED
2014-06-12T18:06:29 < karlp> getting the road dug up at home at the moment, neighbour came over to ask if the phones were still working at our place, we just replied, "what's a land line?"
2014-06-12T18:06:50 < Steffanx> Why does ST also have an barometer app? ZAirMeter
2014-06-12T18:07:22 < Steffanx> -a
2014-06-12T18:07:32 < baird_> karlp: people loke youse are the reason I had to wait an extra month to get proper broadband here..
2014-06-12T18:08:13 < BrainDamage> karlp: I have cyanogen 4.4.2 and it's still in
2014-06-12T18:08:45 < BrainDamage> I guess they did the forward port themselves
2014-06-12T18:08:55 < karlp> baird_: how so?
2014-06-12T18:09:10 < karlp> we used to use dsl, and had a land line, but we have fibre now, what would we keep the landline for?
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2014-06-12T18:10:11 < Steffanx> Too call grandmas
2014-06-12T18:10:24 < baird_> It turned out that no-one in my entire street was using POTS/ADSL.. and hadn't for several years. So when I ordered my Internets, Telstra found and had to repair about 8 faults. (Fortunately, they had to pay for it..)
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2014-06-12T18:11:36 < baird_> The area I'm in was on the NBN's next-to list, just before the Abbott Government came in. :/
2014-06-12T18:11:54 < Steffanx> They don't use internet at all in that street or .. what baird_ ?
2014-06-12T18:11:55 < baird_> (NBN's FTTH, that is.)
2014-06-12T18:11:58 < karlp> not really sure how that's a problem of someone who chose to use fibre where it was available.
2014-06-12T18:12:15 < baird_> Fibre, /in Australia/? :P
2014-06-12T18:12:20 < BrainDamage> here's fibre is available
2014-06-12T18:12:21 < karlp> I'm not _in_ australia
2014-06-12T18:12:26 < BrainDamage> but price is prohibitive
2014-06-12T18:12:40 < karlp> and fibre is available, so I don't see how me choosing to use it impacts on people who want dsl, in any way.
2014-06-12T18:12:47 < BrainDamage> at least according to my neighbours
2014-06-12T18:12:52 < baird_> Steffanx: everyone was using Mobiles/Telstra Mobile Broadband (...and paying like 1000% times more than I'm doing now.)
2014-06-12T18:13:13 < baird_> s/was/is/
2014-06-12T18:14:17 < baird_> In spite of the distance from the exchange, I'm getting around 900-1250kB/s..
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2014-06-13T02:37:15 < upgrdman> dongs: new tweezer work great. very happy. only issue is a small one, and it's been around for years. dave jones even comments on it years ago: the firmware seems to excessively debounce the buttons. you have to hold for like half a second for it to register. sucks, but not a big deal as you don't need to dick with the menus often.
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2014-06-13T02:54:40 < dongs> cool
2014-06-13T02:54:57 < dongs> so new ones display tiny mOhm for shorted pins?
2014-06-13T02:55:42 < upgrdman> ya.
2014-06-13T02:55:50 < upgrdman> 30-40mOhm
2014-06-13T03:00:39 < Steffanx> for nothing more than $350?
2014-06-13T03:03:26 < upgrdman> or $170 if you can tolerate looser tolerances
2014-06-13T03:03:29 < dongs> Assertion failure (C:\Build\AD.14.2\platform_edp\Core3D\Source Code\DX_Scene.pas, line 166)
2014-06-13T03:03:31 < Steffanx> ah ok
2014-06-13T03:03:42 < upgrdman> either price though isn't bad for a decent lcr meter
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2014-06-13T03:04:04 < Steffanx> good old pascal(or delphi), don't you love it dongs?
2014-06-13T03:04:39 < Steffanx> What's inside upgrdman ?
2014-06-13T03:05:04 < upgrdman> Steffanx: http://farrellf.com/temp/smart_tweezers_ST5S/teardown_pics/
2014-06-13T03:05:04 < dongs> MSP430 :(
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2014-06-13T03:08:46 < SlaveToTheSauce> i love the jumper
2014-06-13T03:08:49 < SlaveToTheSauce> is that a cut trace below it?
2014-06-13T03:11:01 < upgrdman> looks like it. lol
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2014-06-13T03:18:35 < upgrdman> just thought i would share a youtube channel i found that has some nice vids. he does TI stuff, but most of the vids are generic to embedded development.    https://www.youtube.com/user/StateMachineCOM/videos
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2014-06-13T03:19:06 < upgrdman> (might not be too interesting for experienced people)
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2014-06-13T04:40:44 < upgrdman> anyone know what the left screwdriver bit is for?  http://farrellf.com/temp/screwdriver_bits.jpg
2014-06-13T04:52:04 < GargantuaSauce> i find security torx quite hilarious
2014-06-13T04:52:16 < GargantuaSauce> because the dimple gives nice leverage for a simple flat screwdriver to drive it nicely
2014-06-13T04:53:52 < upgrdman> :)
2014-06-13T04:54:13 < GargantuaSauce> whereas doing that with a normal torx is much harder
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2014-06-13T05:59:09 < gnomad> upgrdman: could you re-upload those pictures with greater detail?  I'm having trouble making them out.
2014-06-13T05:59:35 < GargantuaSauce> lol
2014-06-13T05:59:38 < upgrdman> what pics? the screwdriver bits?
2014-06-13T05:59:55 < gnomad> the tweezer pics
2014-06-13T06:00:24 < upgrdman> no, sorry. my new arrived, and i don't want to take it apart for fear of fucking up my finally working toy.
2014-06-13T06:00:48 < upgrdman> not sure if being trolled.
2014-06-13T06:00:58 < gnomad> you are most definitely being trolled.
2014-06-13T06:01:06 < upgrdman> lol :)
2014-06-13T06:02:35 < upgrdman> im tempted to buy a flir e4 next
2014-06-13T06:02:43 < upgrdman> the hack makes it worth it to me.
2014-06-13T06:02:57 < gnomad> I'm having a deja-vu moment of dial-up.
2014-06-13T06:03:13 < upgrdman> but i honestly have no legit need for a thermal camera
2014-06-13T06:03:27 < upgrdman> gnomad: slow loading pics?
2014-06-13T06:03:50 < gnomad> yup
2014-06-13T06:04:00 < upgrdman> ya. about that. see, my server is a raspberry pi. in my closet. with a residential internet connection.
2014-06-13T06:04:31 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/server.jpg
2014-06-13T06:05:01 < gnomad> with pictures of that resolution I would have assumed your server was hosted in a massive data farm.
2014-06-13T06:05:15 < gnomad> in the future, imgur.com
2014-06-13T06:05:20 < upgrdman> k
2014-06-13T06:06:20 < gnomad> in any case, I could have really used a FLIR camera when I was developing rocket motor casings a while back.
2014-06-13T06:07:19 < gnomad> I love your, uh, "build".
2014-06-13T06:07:37 < upgrdman> build?
2014-06-13T06:07:52 < gnomad> the build of your server
2014-06-13T06:07:55 < upgrdman> o
2014-06-13T06:08:16 < gxti> shame that model m isn't being used.
2014-06-13T06:08:41 < gnomad> of course it it.  It is being used to support the hunk of coax.
2014-06-13T06:09:05 < gxti> i hope that suspiciously thin coax has a weight rating
2014-06-13T06:09:07 < upgrdman> i need to find a ps2>usb adapter that works.
2014-06-13T06:09:17 < upgrdman> all the local ones are just passive junk that doesnt work
2014-06-13T06:09:40 < gxti> i'm not happy with the one i bought so i'm making a custom usb controller board for it. not stm32 though because i'm lazy and just ripping someone else's software.
2014-06-13T06:11:03 < upgrdman> im tempted to look for a ps2>bluetooth thinggy if they exist.
2014-06-13T06:11:08 < upgrdman> wireless model m would be sweet
2014-06-13T06:11:19 < upgrdman> and its not like the weight of a battery would be noticeable
2014-06-13T06:12:44 < gnomad> heck, you could add a lead acid battery and barely notice it
2014-06-13T06:14:12 < upgrdman> sweet  http://hackaday.com/2011/08/09/gods-own-keyboard-now-with-bluetooth/
2014-06-13T06:15:28 < gxti> hm, that reminds me i forgot to source a connector for the LEDs
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2014-06-13T06:27:29 < gnomad> so ps/2 became legacy 14 years ago...
2014-06-13T06:31:41 < upgrdman> so did the model m :(
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2014-06-13T06:56:52 < gnomad> i've dated girls younger than my model M
2014-06-13T06:57:43 < gxti> i *am* younger than my model m.
2014-06-13T06:57:55 < gxti> i specifically picked it because of that :p
2014-06-13T06:59:50 < gnomad> and it will probably outlive you.
2014-06-13T07:03:57 < baird> Hmm. I think mine has electrolyic caps.. That claim might be a bit of a stretch.
2014-06-13T07:06:57 < baird> Nuts. I did have two M keyboards, and I must've chucked the older one (mfr. 1986)
2014-06-13T07:10:26 < dongs> cocks
2014-06-13T07:16:14 < dongs> http://www.dildo-generator.com/ finally a use for 3d pritners
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2014-06-13T08:02:42 < dongs> hm dicktrace makes nice and rounded copper pours but altium is like too square
2014-06-13T08:19:45 < emeb_mac> yeah - really like the way diptrace chamfers the pours
2014-06-13T08:19:57 < emeb_mac> kicad does that too.
2014-06-13T08:20:11 < emeb_mac> gEDA bites at that though
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2014-06-13T09:52:35 < dongs> hm my altium pro says its not possible to round it
2014-06-13T09:52:36 < dongs> hurrf
2014-06-13T09:52:48 < dongs> goin back to dicktrace in 3.2.1..
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2014-06-13T12:29:27 < Steffanx> back to dicktrace because you fail to do rounded pours? :O
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2014-06-13T14:31:14 < karlp> for both reverse polarity protection and transient, do I really need both a forward schottkey, as _well_ as a TVS diode to ground?
2014-06-13T14:32:55 < rewolff1> I'd say a TVS diode is a diode.
2014-06-13T14:33:11 < rewolff1> On the other hand, it probably has a forward voltage larger than the allowed negative voltage.
2014-06-13T14:33:26 < rewolff1> Which is officially a "nono".
2014-06-13T14:34:09 < rewolff1> However, if you mange to current limit the signal and time-limit the exposure of the chip to this condition, you'll be fine.
2014-06-13T14:35:00 < rewolff1> ST nicely specifies: max injected current: 5mA, exactly for this purpose. As far as I know, they are one of the few manufacturers to specify this spec.
2014-06-13T14:35:34 < Laurenceb_> you can use a FET as reverse protection
2014-06-13T14:42:20 < karlp> http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/12v-3v3-ps.png
2014-06-13T14:42:42 < karlp> it's being suggested that D2 is unnecessary, but i'm not so sure
2014-06-13T14:44:59 < PaulFertser> karlp: I'd say if you apply power in reverse polarity here you'll blow up your tvs, d2 won't help because it's too late in the chain.
2014-06-13T14:46:24 < zyp> D2 shouldn't be in front of the fuse
2014-06-13T14:46:32 < zyp> D1 I mean
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2014-06-13T14:48:28 < PaulFertser> Looks both the fuse and D2 should be in front of D1?
2014-06-13T14:50:46 < karlp> PaulFertser: yeah, I thought the tvs was in the wrong place for reverse too,
2014-06-13T14:51:01 < karlp> the tvs is a recent addition, we used to have only the fuse and reverse polarity
2014-06-13T14:51:21 < karlp> vishay app notes have the polarity diode both before and after the tvs, but when it's after the tvs, the fuse is before.
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2014-06-13T15:01:25 < madist> fuse is *always* before a TVS
2014-06-13T15:01:35 < madist> unless you want the TVS to be the fuse.
2014-06-13T15:07:50 < karlp> so what's the polarity diode protecting then?
2014-06-13T15:08:01 < karlp> if you reverse polarity, your forward conduct the TVS until the fuse kicks in.
2014-06-13T15:08:13 < karlp> polarity diode only protects the LDO from negative voltage at the input?
2014-06-13T15:08:46 < zyp> karlp, not if you place the TVS after the polarity diode
2014-06-13T15:09:01 < madist> the diodes protect everything until the fuse blows
2014-06-13T15:09:15 < madist> if the fuse is not before, then the diodes blow after a few hundred milliseconds
2014-06-13T15:09:32 < madist> and then nothing is protected
2014-06-13T15:10:43 < karlp> zyp: then the polarity diode just has make sure it can handle whatever voltage the tvs is there for right?
2014-06-13T15:10:55 < karlp> I presume that was why it was after...
2014-06-13T15:10:57 < madist> (I'm talking about D1. I don't know why you have put D2 there.)
2014-06-13T15:11:58 < madist> D1 protects against reverse polarity by blowing the fuse. If you had the fuse in the right place.
2014-06-13T15:12:11 < karlp> yeah, I'm unsure of whta d2's purpose is if you have moved the fuse to the right place
2014-06-13T15:12:44 < karlp> only thing we can think of is to protect the ldo's inputs from the negative voltage due to the TVS forward voltage drop
2014-06-13T15:13:11 < PaulFertser> Or to be able to use the device without changing the fuse after misapplying power.
2014-06-13T15:13:37 < madist> that's probably not a good idea. misapplying power should always result in a blown fuse.
2014-06-13T15:13:52 < karlp> the fuse is a PTC, so it self resets, but I don't see how the diode helps with that anyway paul
2014-06-13T15:14:44 < rewolff1> Hmm. I mistook the "F" in F1 as "FAST FUSE".
2014-06-13T15:15:02 < madist> I don't like PTCs. They take too long to blow and dont protect anything.
2014-06-13T15:15:05 < rewolff1> Those PTCs are very very slow. They take a while to blow.
2014-06-13T15:15:51 < karlp> well, a "real" fuse wouldn't be user serviceable anyway, so you might as well just blow up
2014-06-13T15:15:51 < PaulFertser> karlp: D2 would not allow any current to flow at all in reverse polarity, so nothing would be damaged afaict.
2014-06-13T15:18:12 < karlp> as long as it could handle the voltage of the transients in normal operation, which is why I think vishay often has the tvs before the polarity diode, but after a fuse.
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2014-06-13T16:44:49 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/en/video-outline-vertices-editor-pcb-polygon-pours-regions so basically he spent 30 seconds talking shit to tell me that the only way to modify a copper pour after I made it, is to export to CSV and edit in excel
2014-06-13T16:44:52 < dongs> fucking rage.
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2014-06-13T16:49:02 < dongs> edit->move->polygon vertices
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2014-06-13T16:50:44 < karlp> whatever happened to orcad? that was the shit back when altium ws still protel
2014-06-13T16:50:56 < karlp> oh, it's cadence now, so even more $ than altium I guess
2014-06-13T16:54:51 < karlp> heh, orcad lite is only 100 pins, 60 parts, 75 nets.
2014-06-13T16:58:12 < dongs> lol
2014-06-13T16:58:15 < dongs> surprised they even bother
2014-06-13T16:58:18 < dongs> lite = free? or wat
2014-06-13T16:58:28 < karlp> apparently useful as a viwer for partners and colleagues
2014-06-13T16:58:42 < karlp> so yeah, free, doesn't expire, you can look at shit, just can't save
2014-06-13T16:58:51 < karlp> well, unless it's super small :)
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2014-06-13T17:20:58 < __rob> hello. Was hoping for some advice on recovering the clock for a biphase mark encoded signal. What I was planning to do was first, have an edge triggered inturrupt sample a timer and keep a running average of both the minimum pulse lenght and maximum pulse length, sorting pulses on their deviation from either the current maximum or minimum and discarding any that are outside of either of these
2014-06-13T17:20:58 < __rob> ranges
2014-06-13T17:21:13 < __rob> so in theory, the larger of these 2 averages should be give me the clock period
2014-06-13T17:21:45 < __rob> then I was going to start a timer, at twice this frequency, offset so it would expire during hte middle of a 1/2 clock period, and keep sampling that way
2014-06-13T17:21:52 < __rob> to get the 1's and 0's out
2014-06-13T17:22:26 < __rob> is there a simpler way to do this, either with some stm32 peripheral or otherwise
2014-06-13T17:23:24 < __rob> the other problem with the above is once the timer is started, and my edge detection part disabled, any drift in the signal will mean the sampling timer could go out of phase
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2014-06-13T17:26:10 < zyp> don't use edge triggered interrupts, use input capture on a tmer
2014-06-13T17:26:13 < zyp> timer
2014-06-13T17:27:12 < __rob> ok, either way that gives me an edge to edge sample time
2014-06-13T17:27:42 < __rob> but that does sound better, just glancing at the reference manual
2014-06-13T17:28:06 < zyp> what I'd do is configure a timer to reset on rising edge
2014-06-13T17:28:23 < zyp> since every new bit starts with rising edge in BMC
2014-06-13T17:28:52 < zyp> you then do one capture channel on rising edge and you can also have one capture channel on falling edge
2014-06-13T17:29:25 < zyp> which means that for every bit you get the high time and the total time, so you can sanity check that high time is half the total time
2014-06-13T17:29:49 < zyp> this is equivalent to PWM capture mode described in the reference manual for the timers
2014-06-13T17:30:43 < zyp> this is assuming that you're actually doing BMC and not manchester encoding
2014-06-13T17:31:18 < __rob> its not a rising edge on each new bit ?
2014-06-13T17:31:25 < __rob> its a level change
2014-06-13T17:31:44 < zyp> hmm
2014-06-13T17:32:06 < __rob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biphase_mark_code
2014-06-13T17:32:07 < zyp> ah, I'm thinking wrong
2014-06-13T17:33:17 < zyp> ok, then you want a single channel capturing both edges
2014-06-13T17:33:44 < zyp> either that or two channels doing two edges at once
2014-06-13T17:36:12 < madist> So *thats* what flyback has been saying.
2014-06-13T17:36:20 < __rob> only issue so far is the sample signal is not perfect, so I have a high pass filter, then a comparator to get a square wave input to the mcu
2014-06-13T17:37:02 < __rob> on occasion there is a still some higher freq noise that causes small pulses
2014-06-13T17:37:23 < __rob> so I get a fast high-low transition
2014-06-13T17:37:47 < __rob> so just discard them based on a theshold ?
2014-06-13T17:38:37 < __rob> sorry, fast high-low-high transitions, or the other way around
2014-06-13T17:39:44 < zyp> well, what else can you do?
2014-06-13T17:41:02 < __rob> more filtering I guess
2014-06-13T17:41:08 < __rob> but it gave me too much lag
2014-06-13T17:41:10 < __rob> http://snag.gy/Pnakz.jpg
2014-06-13T17:41:32 < __rob> this is what I'm talking about
2014-06-13T17:41:38 < zyp> yeah
2014-06-13T17:42:21 < __rob> I'll just fix it in software then
2014-06-13T17:42:44 < zyp> you could potentially run a timer with input capture piped to dma into a ringbuffer, then just follow the ringbuffer in software and process it when you have time to avoid problems with interrupt latency
2014-06-13T17:42:51 < __rob> really just trying to minimise what the cpu has to do, I was originally just going to sample the whole thing in with the ADC
2014-06-13T17:42:55 < __rob> and do it all in software
2014-06-13T17:44:11 < __rob> so looping over each sample, deciding whether its high or low, or should be discarded etc
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2014-06-13T18:11:12 < dongs> finally fucking finished routing aids hall board of doom
2014-06-13T18:15:05 < Steffanx> you can finally start writing some code?
2014-06-13T18:16:39 < Steffanx> Will we see a demo of what it does dongs ?
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2014-06-13T18:19:08 < dongs> heh
2014-06-13T18:24:56 < dongs> 310x82mm
2014-06-13T18:26:28 < dongs> bedtime
2014-06-13T18:31:50 < dongs> <l0de> discuss linux? More like discus linux. Throw your fucking livecd in the trash where it belongs
2014-06-13T18:32:06 < zyp> hah
2014-06-13T18:32:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/f1lvAUq.png so stoned
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2014-06-13T18:33:05 < zyp> dongs, the schematic for that f3 board, do you have that available now?
2014-06-13T18:33:10 < dongs>  a
2014-06-13T18:33:12 < dongs> sec lemme make something
2014-06-13T18:33:19 < dongs> before going to sleep :p
2014-06-13T18:35:06 < dongs> god fucking dman
2014-06-13T18:35:12 < dongs> fuck dicktrace and bullshit failure to pdf
2014-06-13T18:35:57 < dongs> zyp: see /notice
2014-06-13T18:35:59 < zyp> nice, thanks
2014-06-13T18:36:13 < dongs> to get the shit to print, you ahve to print to pdf TWICE
2014-06-13T18:36:18 < dongs> 1s time will make a 6k blank file
2014-06-13T18:36:23 < zyp> wat
2014-06-13T18:36:29 < dongs> then doing it again will work.
2014-06-13T18:36:32 < dongs> no idea
2014-06-13T18:36:39 < dongs> dicktrace 'feature'
2014-06-13T18:36:52 < dongs> at least it works to print to pdf now. one of the versions last year would just silently do nothing
2014-06-13T18:36:58 < dongs> i opened a bug, they were like "its adobe problem"
2014-06-13T18:36:58 < Laurenceb_> hmf something is wrong with my ADSL
2014-06-13T18:37:08 < zyp> ADSL is wrong
2014-06-13T18:37:10 < Laurenceb_> each time my dad calls me it disconnects
2014-06-13T18:37:10 < dongs> Laurenceb_: upgrade to AIDSL
2014-06-13T18:37:12 < Laurenceb_> lol
2014-06-13T18:37:18 < zyp> ah
2014-06-13T18:37:24 < Laurenceb_> he ot raided by FBI
2014-06-13T18:37:27 < zyp> you've fucked up the splitter/filter placement
2014-06-13T18:37:45 < Laurenceb_> *got
2014-06-13T18:38:12 < zyp> ADSL requires a splitter/filter to isolate phone freqs from data freqs, so if you place anything upstream of the filter, it'll fuck up your connection when the phone rings
2014-06-13T18:38:21 < Laurenceb_> ah
2014-06-13T18:38:35 < Laurenceb_> ill investigate
2014-06-13T18:39:45 < Laurenceb_> the guy he was talking to about narco manufacture ... was an FBI agent
2014-06-13T18:39:46 < Laurenceb_>  :D
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2014-06-13T18:40:36 < dongs> anyway, bedtime
2014-06-13T18:41:00 < Laurenceb_> zyp: so splitter -> filter -> 10m of cable -> phone
2014-06-13T18:41:16 < Laurenceb_>         -> 5m of cable -> filter -> ADSL
2014-06-13T18:41:16 < zyp> the filter is a splitter
2014-06-13T18:41:20 < Laurenceb_> is bad?
2014-06-13T18:41:26 < zyp> one output for phone, one output for modem
2014-06-13T18:41:30 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2014-06-13T18:41:32 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2014-06-13T18:41:38 < Laurenceb_> i dont have the right cables
2014-06-13T18:41:45 < Laurenceb_> soldering iron time i guess
2014-06-13T18:41:55 < zyp> all phones should go downstream of phone port, modem goes into modem port, and nothing upstream of it
2014-06-13T18:42:12 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2014-06-13T18:42:17 < Laurenceb_> im using a dumb splitter and two filters
2014-06-13T18:42:28 < Laurenceb_> probably getting weird reflections and stuff
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2014-06-14T03:18:50 < pun84> what pin or pin name should i look for if i want to measure clock thats running on the PLL?
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2014-06-14T03:20:43 < upgrdman> mco
2014-06-14T03:20:44 < GargantuaSauce> set up a timer and infer clock speed from that
2014-06-14T03:20:53 < upgrdman> i think it can be assigned to various pins
2014-06-14T03:21:13 < upgrdman> it's an AF
2014-06-14T03:23:41 < pun84> oh i see what you mean, i've tried PC14-OSC32_IN, PC15-OSC32_OUT, OSC_IN, OSC_OUT
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2014-06-14T04:03:53 < dongs> lolwut
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2014-06-14T04:22:42 < pun84> nice handle.
2014-06-14T05:03:05 < dongs> thanx
2014-06-14T05:03:07 < dongs> had it for years
2014-06-14T05:03:28 < dongs>  Registered : May 03 14:39:30 2006 (8 years, 6 weeks, 1 day, 11:23:44 ago)
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2014-06-14T05:40:32 < aadamson> dongs you around?
2014-06-14T05:40:49 < aadamson> what is the place that has the 10 pin extension cable? mcu something
2014-06-14T05:41:56 < aadamson> I found it
2014-06-14T05:46:18 < dongs> microcontrollerpros
2014-06-14T05:53:46 < dongs> 331 on SMD is that 330R
2014-06-14T05:54:20 < dongs> yep
2014-06-14T05:54:21 < dongs> k
2014-06-14T05:56:47 < dongs> <aliencopter> We know you have good reputation except on RCG,lol.
2014-06-14T05:56:49 < dongs> loool.
2014-06-14T06:02:46 < aadamson> yeah 331  should be 330r
2014-06-14T06:03:20 < aadamson> http://www.hobby-hour.com/electronics/smdcalc.php - I use this all the time if I'm reversing something that is using parts that are labeled
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2014-06-14T06:04:18 < dongs> heh cute
2014-06-14T06:04:23 < dongs> iu htink ive seen it before
2014-06-14T06:05:35 < dongs> fuck
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2014-06-14T08:30:43 < dongs> why would i care about a $10 solar garden light
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2014-06-14T11:02:16 < dongs> http://31.media.tumblr.com/e86d114c4447b276445e5e02bb219caa/tumblr_n6wtmgF6wl1rb0jvjo1_1280.jpg
2014-06-14T11:13:09 < baird> I had a dream where my ex was trying to genetically engineer a talking cat, and she gave me a failed attempt that resembled a sphinx (and couldn't talk). It was just a big housecat that sat around the house all day being useless. :/
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2014-06-14T13:03:02 < Steffanx> No more homebrew yoghurt for baird
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2014-06-14T13:20:00 < madist> https://i.imgur.com/LPHYBz7.jpg
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2014-06-14T13:33:22 < Laurenceb> rofl
2014-06-14T13:33:35 < Laurenceb> ^attn dongs
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2014-06-15T01:37:23 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Moon_Matrix
2014-06-15T02:16:58 < Laurenceb> why didnt i realise, its obvious when yo think about it
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2014-06-15T03:36:46 < dongs> sup trolls
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2014-06-15T05:30:52 < emeb> hatin' on MCHP
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2014-06-15T07:59:16 < baird> Fucking expensive for a Launchpad board.. http://au.element14.com/texas-instruments/msp-bndl-fr5969lcd/eval-board-msp430fr5969-fram-launchpad/dp/2428551
2014-06-15T07:59:37 < baird> Still, it's a 64kB FRAM msp430 part.
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2014-06-15T13:47:05 < dongs> god damn why the fuck does altum show silk layer when switching top/bottom layers, like why the fuck would I need to see TOP SILK while working on bottom layer
2014-06-15T13:47:09 < dongs> fucking aids
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2014-06-15T14:12:44 < Thorn> Safety Design and Evaluation Criteria for Nuclear Weapon Systems Software https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2gcBRQlr6oddHhDMGY1WF9MY1U/edit
2014-06-15T14:12:53 < Thorn> COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PUBLICATION IS MANDATORY
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2014-06-15T14:22:05 < baird> Fuck you. You can't tell me what to do.
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2014-06-15T15:34:33 < Steffanx> Yes i can, baird
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2014-06-15T15:55:08 < dongs> Thorn: fucken saved.
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2014-06-15T16:07:34 < jpa-> even ST code would probably pass those criteria :)
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2014-06-15T16:29:25 < Thorn> nuclear weapon control prototyped with a solderless breadboard http://www.mrc.uidaho.edu/mrc/people/jff/480/review_presentations/weapons.pdf
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2014-06-15T17:49:29 < gxti> dongs: i make layersets to fix that
2014-06-15T17:49:50 < gxti> make a 'bottom' layerset with only bottom stuff, you can even tell it to flip automatically
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2014-06-16T02:51:13 < gnomad> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzExWDcxMQ==/z/SSwAAOxy039TOTlL/$_12.JPG
2014-06-16T03:07:12 < dongs> sup dongs
2014-06-16T03:07:24 < dongs> gxti: hm
2014-06-16T03:07:27 < dongs> do tell
2014-06-16T03:07:32 < Thorn> Pls notice :This latest version
2014-06-16T03:07:46 < qyx_> any recommended compression algo for thumb bins?
2014-06-16T03:07:54 < dongs> but can you flip them with * key??
2014-06-16T03:11:58 < zyp> qyx_, for what purpose?
2014-06-16T03:12:45 < zyp> where on the speed vs size tradeoff are you aiming?
2014-06-16T03:14:03 < dongs> lol binary compression for mcu
2014-06-16T03:15:08 < zyp> yeah, I wonder what you are doing where it'll matter at all
2014-06-16T03:15:09 < dongs> <avrturd> Better make the code shorter using the ultimate code compressor known as Assembler
2014-06-16T03:15:21 < qyx_> nah
2014-06-16T03:15:34 < qyx_> zyp: firmware update images transferred over the air
2014-06-16T03:15:56 < qyx_> i was expecting ratios down to at least 30%
2014-06-16T03:16:08 < qyx_> even lzma cannot do that
2014-06-16T03:16:23 < qyx_> it compressed 35KB bin into 22KB
2014-06-16T03:16:45 < zyp> depends a lot on your code, I'd say
2014-06-16T03:16:55 < qyx_> sure
2014-06-16T03:17:06 < zyp> .data would generally compress better than .text I imagine
2014-06-16T03:17:22 < zyp> so the relative sizes there would impact ratio
2014-06-16T03:17:23 < qyx_> it was quite generic chibios image with some radio driver and blinky leds
2014-06-16T03:17:54 < Thorn> you can't use any efficient algorithms if you don't have ram for dictionaries/huffman trees/etc afaik?
2014-06-16T03:18:16 < zyp> unoptimized code would probably also compress better than optimized code, but the end result might still not be better :p
2014-06-16T03:18:25 < qyx_> there are some which can decompress without much memory
2014-06-16T03:18:56 < qyx_> http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/ucl/
2014-06-16T03:19:02 < qyx_> like this
2014-06-16T03:19:20 < qyx_> also used in UPX  compressor for executables
2014-06-16T03:20:02 < dongs> qyx, the problem with most mcus is that you run directly from flash, right
2014-06-16T03:20:17 < dongs> so you arent gonna have space anywhre to decompress.
2014-06-16T03:20:20 < zyp> dongs, so you decompress in the bootloader
2014-06-16T03:20:26 < dongs> zyp, to what, ram?
2014-06-16T03:20:29 < zyp> stream decompression
2014-06-16T03:20:31 < qyx_> yep
2014-06-16T03:20:36 < qyx_> stream in chunks
2014-06-16T03:20:39 < zyp> input stream -> decompress -> flash
2014-06-16T03:20:40 < qyx_> and write to flash
2014-06-16T03:20:42 < dongs> so you decompress from 64k flash into 20k ram ??
2014-06-16T03:20:55 < dongs> oh, this is just for reflash?
2014-06-16T03:20:58 < qyx_> yep
2014-06-16T03:21:04 < dongs> wtf dude, why even bother
2014-06-16T03:21:15 < dongs> youre going to save like 0.1seconds flashing
2014-06-16T03:21:31 < dongs> flash erase will take longer than it would take to send 10k more of non-compressed code
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2014-06-16T03:21:37 < zyp> depends how horribly slow the radio connection is
2014-06-16T03:21:44 < qyx_> dongs: because of radio
2014-06-16T03:21:45 < zyp> since he said over the air
2014-06-16T03:21:49 < dongs> o
2014-06-16T03:21:50 < qyx_> which is the bottleneck
2014-06-16T03:22:05 < gxti> dongs: layer sets. click the LS to the left of the layer tabs.
2014-06-16T03:22:07 < qyx_> if you have something like ~2kbps bitrate
2014-06-16T03:22:12 < dongs> gxti: i saw that.
2014-06-16T03:22:23 < dongs> but how do I make it so i can still switch top/bottom with *
2014-06-16T03:22:42 < gxti> for that i have a 'routing' layerset with only copper
2014-06-16T03:23:19 < gxti> also doesn't include plane layers on 4 layer boards, so those are hidden too
2014-06-16T03:23:25 < Thorn> that library is interesting
2014-06-16T03:23:44 < dongs> gxti: export one of yours to file and lemme have it
2014-06-16T03:23:50 < dongs> so I know wat youre saying. cuz i dont see how this can work
2014-06-16T03:24:13 < zyp> I mostly have the silk layers hidden all the time, if I need to see them I can do so in 3D mode
2014-06-16T03:25:00 < dongs> i dont mind silk cuz of shit like R/C outlines
2014-06-16T03:25:08 < dongs> and i already hide refdes etc most of the time
2014-06-16T03:25:20 < dongs> problem is bottom layer silk shines through just as fucking brgiht as top layer
2014-06-16T03:25:23 < zyp> yes, but even outlines are pointless for routing
2014-06-16T03:25:39 < zyp> hmm
2014-06-16T03:26:42 < gxti> routing is all layers except overlay and inner planes
2014-06-16T03:27:05 < gxti> bottom is obviously all bottom layers plus mechanical stuff
2014-06-16T03:27:35 < zyp> inner planes are pretty fucking annoying
2014-06-16T03:28:22 < zyp> every time I've attempted to use them, I've been so annoyed that I replaced it with a normal layer with a polygon pour instead
2014-06-16T03:28:34 < gxti> oh yeah, i never use planes
2014-06-16T03:28:50 < gxti> if i were then they wouldn't be in the way. but i use polys.
2014-06-16T03:30:04 < zyp> I haven't figured out how to add text to plane layers
2014-06-16T03:30:37 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/r1ChW.JPG <- I designed this with plane layers, but replaced them with normal layers when I added the layer markings
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2014-06-16T03:38:28 < dongs> cool 3d render bro
2014-06-16T03:38:57 < zyp> ya, complete with dust particles
2014-06-16T03:41:02 < dongs> did  you assemble that shit yet?
2014-06-16T03:41:18 < zyp> nah, I haven't bought the level translators yet
2014-06-16T03:41:22 < dongs> o
2014-06-16T03:42:02 < zyp> figured there were no point to start dicking around with that now since I'm going on vacation tomorrow
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2014-06-16T03:50:43 < dongs> hmmm
2014-06-16T03:50:47 < dongs> an assdroid app crashed
2014-06-16T03:51:02 < dongs> and I loaded it back up from 'rcent apps' screen
2014-06-16T03:51:31 < dongs> but for a split second it showed the pre-crash UI what looks like resized + smoothed from a smaller screenshot
2014-06-16T03:52:15 < zyp> isn't that a normal trick?
2014-06-16T03:54:25 < dongs> maybe on macos
2014-06-16T03:54:31 < dongs> where they render everythign at 1/2rez and scale up
2014-06-16T03:55:17 < zyp> no, I mean showing a pic while resuming an app to have something to show while the app is getting ready to draw
2014-06-16T03:58:57 < dongs> apparently a bunch of apps on itrash store are all made for fixed resolution, so thats why ipad3 screen is exactly 2x rez of the old one, so to run same apps they would just upscale and smooth
2014-06-16T03:59:02 < dongs> instead of re-rendering at higher rez
2014-06-16T03:59:07 < dongs> and people put up with that shit.
2014-06-16T03:59:24 < dongs> some jap was here with a ipad running some app, it looked fuzzy as fuck, apparently it was iphone app
2014-06-16T03:59:45 < dongs> so it would just get rendered at iphone rez (possibly like iphone2 or something 320dx240) and scaled the fuck up.
2014-06-16T04:11:00 < dongs> gxti: export one of your layer set and send me :(
2014-06-16T04:12:53 < dongs> hurrrf
2014-06-16T04:12:56 < dongs> * doesnt cycle top/bottom
2014-06-16T04:12:58 < dongs> if i have a layer set
2014-06-16T04:13:34 < gxti> i already explained it twice
2014-06-16T04:15:05 < dongs> i tried to do it
2014-06-16T04:15:15 < dongs> it cycles through useless layes by *
2014-06-16T04:15:20 < dongs> but not through top=bottom
2014-06-16T04:17:23 < gxti> * cycles through visible layers
2014-06-16T04:22:25 < dongs> how do you route and drop via to bottom layer?
2014-06-16T04:22:29 < dongs> that was * for me.
2014-06-16T04:22:36 < dongs> (drop it while routing)
2014-06-16T04:23:15 < gxti> yes. so obviously you need top and bottom copper visible.
2014-06-16T04:24:17 < dongs> so thats still worthless, cuz its going to show bottom copper at same full brightness
2014-06-16T04:24:23 < dongs> while im routing shit on top copper
2014-06-16T04:29:09 < Lux> dongs: just press +
2014-06-16T04:30:32 < Lux> at least for me that works going from top to bottom
2014-06-16T04:30:59 < Lux> heh * is + nvm ^^
2014-06-16T04:31:57 < dongs> no, * works even i you have a shitload of layers shown
2014-06-16T04:32:03 < dongs> it cycles between top/bottom.
2014-06-16T04:34:01 < dongs> i guess still no reasonable way to o this shit without keyboard+mouse at same time
2014-06-16T04:34:09 < dongs> so far the only decent way is ctrl=click on layer name
2014-06-16T04:35:53 < dongs> wish i could bind that shit to a key like alt-1/2/3/4 in dicktrace
2014-06-16T04:36:20 < dongs> hm, its called "highlight" layer
2014-06-16T04:36:26 < dongs> lets see if tehre's a key combo i can maybe bind
2014-06-16T04:37:38 < dongs> hm, you ca n assign hotkey to layer sets
2014-06-16T04:37:40 < dongs> 0 to 9
2014-06-16T04:41:24 < dongs> hmmm
2014-06-16T04:41:26 < dongs> getting there.
2014-06-16T04:41:29 < dongs> maybe i can deal with it.
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2014-06-16T04:43:11 < dongs> wtf
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2014-06-16T04:48:16 < dongs> assigned a key , it shows up in UI, but doesnt do shit
2014-06-16T04:49:17 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/t0Nb8tI.png alt1/2 doesfuck all
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2014-06-16T05:51:27 < dongs> time to checko ut dickstarter
2014-06-16T05:52:05 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2106023435/kiss-the-nsa?ref=category aww yea
2014-06-16T05:53:45 < dongs> now all the MLP artists will be able to maker higher quality pony porn https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/krita/krita-open-source-digital-painting-accelerate-deve?ref=category
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2014-06-16T06:10:44 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/800343142/worlds-most-affordable-wall-charger-with-built-in?ref=category
2014-06-16T06:12:26 < GargantuaSauce> world's most affordable fire hazard
2014-06-16T06:15:22 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1629248706/earin-the-worlds-smallest-wireless-earbuds?ref=category
2014-06-16T06:15:25 < dongs> this is gonna end well
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2014-06-16T06:16:58 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/structur3d/discov3ry-extruder-do-more-than-ever-with-your-3d?ref=category why teh fuck is tehe an ugly female creature in video snapshot
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2014-06-16T06:17:09 < dongs> "do more than ever" does it mean it includes fucking the female
2014-06-16T06:19:14 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/955316598/simple-led-tester-every-lab-should-have-one?ref=category wat
2014-06-16T06:19:54 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1075774055/goplug-powering-mobility-0?ref=category haha
2014-06-16T06:24:26 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sparqee/umbrella-usb?ref=category yess
2014-06-16T06:27:02 < gnomad> I was expecting LED tester to be a joke.  was disappointed.
2014-06-16T06:27:02 < GargantuaSauce> Adding an LED gives the user a useful reminder that the Umbrella is not only protecting them but still functional.
2014-06-16T06:29:23 < dongs> When using a USB cable, you risk malicious data transfers. Your data can actually be hacked from .charging stations.. Instead of relying on software settings or an anti-virus program, Umbrella eliminates the hassle with a 100% effective solution. Just plug it in and you.re protected.
2014-06-16T06:29:28 < dongs> haha
2014-06-16T06:29:49 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/001/971/b49dcc9f97f9782e9a5b879fdc8ff96d_large.png?1399947558
2014-06-16T06:29:52 < dongs> lool
2014-06-16T06:39:08 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1059145052/mypifi-led-board?ref=category
2014-06-16T06:40:27 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/marriagesaver/marriage-saver-toilet-accessory-in-time-for-father?ref=category
2014-06-16T06:40:44 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/082/245/aca9338ad438ea0129c5b00ca62b4edf_large.jpg?1401574783 nice msword autocorect underlines
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2014-06-16T07:57:46 < dongs> lol @ end post
2014-06-16T07:57:47 < dongs> er 2nd
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2014-06-16T09:17:20 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1472566256/openaudiopal found emeb_mac secretproj
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2014-06-16T09:19:05 < emeb_mac> haha
2014-06-16T09:20:01 < emeb_mac> ADAU DSPs are crazy
2014-06-16T09:20:24 < dongs> atxmega
2014-06-16T09:20:35 < dongs> why are there two of them??
2014-06-16T09:20:35 < emeb_mac> fail
2014-06-16T09:20:37 < dongs> one is not enough??
2014-06-16T09:21:07 < emeb_mac> they're very strange things - more like state machinew
2014-06-16T09:21:12 < emeb_mac> s/w/s/
2014-06-16T09:22:08 < emeb_mac> probably not enough horsepower in one of them to run that feedback canceller + whatever else.
2014-06-16T09:22:17 < dongs> lol
2014-06-16T09:22:25 < dongs> cocks, so why not use something less shitty then
2014-06-16T09:22:33 < dongs> and get rid of atxmega while they're at it
2014-06-16T09:22:46 < emeb_mac> the atmega is probably there to load them at powerup
2014-06-16T09:23:09 < emeb_mac> they probably use those because "when all you have is a hammer..."
2014-06-16T09:23:56 < emeb_mac> or, that's the platform they developed the feedback canceller on, so that's what they know.
2014-06-16T09:24:17 < dongs> wow zero backers for audiopla
2014-06-16T09:24:23 < emeb_mac> ya - sad
2014-06-16T09:24:30 < dongs> i think the problem with it, is they're trying to create a solution to a non-problem
2014-06-16T09:25:06 < emeb_mac> yep, too specific, not clear what the use is.
2014-06-16T09:25:25 < dongs> The ADAU1761 processor algorithms were developed with the SigmaStudioTM graphical user interface tools. The microprocessor software is primarily used to load the DSP code and was written in assembler, taking up the minimum amount of usable memory.
2014-06-16T09:25:29 < dongs> haha
2014-06-16T09:25:36 < dongs> assembler loader from atxmega to adsp
2014-06-16T09:25:38 < dongs> oookay
2014-06-16T09:25:41 < emeb_mac> ya
2014-06-16T09:26:10 < emeb_mac> they're more like reeeealy complicated codecs
2014-06-16T09:26:26 < emeb_mac> with a little DSP thrown in for good measure
2014-06-16T09:26:39 < dongs> The circuit card assembly
2014-06-16T09:26:41 < dongs> wats a circuit card
2014-06-16T09:26:51 < dongs> is that american for circuit board
2014-06-16T09:27:05 < emeb_mac> not common usage, but probably right.
2014-06-16T09:27:19 < dongs> probably back from the days of mainframe "CARDS" right??
2014-06-16T09:27:23 < dongs> that plug into backplane
2014-06-16T09:27:28 < dongs> to add 8kbyte of ram
2014-06-16T09:27:46 < emeb_mac> suggests that they learned their skills at some backwater company
2014-06-16T09:28:13 < emeb_mac> kinda like the 1st outfit I worked at called PCBs "printed wiring boards"
2014-06-16T09:28:24 < emeb_mac> aka PWBs
2014-06-16T09:28:28 < dongs> yaya
2014-06-16T09:28:32 < dongs> some japs still call it pwb
2014-06-16T09:28:34 < dongs> dunno why
2014-06-16T09:28:40 < dongs> i get some spam from a local boardhouse
2014-06-16T09:28:43 < dongs> that inisists on taht terminology
2014-06-16T09:29:11 < madist> probably from the days of wire wrap circuit boards
2014-06-16T09:29:12 < emeb_mac> 8kB - not a lot for a true DSP
2014-06-16T09:29:23 < emeb_mac> but plenty for an overgrown codec
2014-06-16T09:38:45 < dongs> 8k is whats on that adau thing?
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> does it execute from ram?
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> haha, it has LUNIX DRIVER
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> 32-lead, 5 mm × 5 mm LFCSP thats a real shit package too
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> for hobby stuff.
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> i bet thats why their board is $150
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> or wait is that just a fancy name for QFN
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> ya it is. k never mind. i thought it was one of those WLCSP shits that cant be seen w/o microscope
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> 0.5mm pitch
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/694007581/bakerboard-the-educational-breadboard-with-more?ref=category
2014-06-16T09:38:46 < dongs> where is the sores i wonder
2014-06-16T09:38:47 < emeb_mac> probably wishing that they could duplicate this thing: http://hoxtonowl.com/
2014-06-16T09:38:49 < dongs> is that one of your proj
2014-06-16T09:39:13 < emeb_mac> owl? not mine
2014-06-16T09:39:19 < emeb_mac> similar tho - STM32 based
2014-06-16T09:39:45 < emeb_mac> IIRC it doesn't use a real codec - all PWM or something
2014-06-16T09:40:10 < emeb_mac> but they put together a nice software dev platform... maybe
2014-06-16T09:40:21 < dongs> oh but has it shipped yet
2014-06-16T09:40:22 < dongs> its been over a year
2014-06-16T09:40:34 < dongs> We.ve just finished testing and packaging the first batch of assembled OWL pedals for the OWL Saints, our most generous supporters who backed us above and beyond the normal reward schemes. These twenty-four pledgers will be the first to receive their pedals from the production run, and next up will be the early adopters - we are starting assembly work on theirs tomorrow!
2014-06-16T09:40:36 < emeb_mac> still vaporware
2014-06-16T09:40:39 < dongs> oh ok
2014-06-16T09:41:33 < emeb_mac> haha: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/autoblow-2-a-realistic-robotic-oral-sex-simulator-for-men
2014-06-16T09:41:34 < dongs> hm still "
2014-06-16T09:41:35 < dongs> preorder"
2014-06-16T09:41:36 < dongs> wtf
2014-06-16T09:41:40 < dongs> emeb_mac: old
2014-06-16T09:41:42 < dongs> like a month old
2014-06-16T09:41:52 < emeb_mac> new2me
2014-06-16T09:42:31 < dongs> We are using the DSPic series of chips because they are so powerful. As for the hackable idea, we are going to be producing more products if this project is successful. The next product will be along the lines of what you are suggesting.
2014-06-16T09:42:36 < dongs> haha
2014-06-16T09:42:44 < dongs> (the bakerboard thing
2014-06-16T09:42:47 < dongs> DSPIC in 2014, comeon
2014-06-16T09:44:22 < emeb_mac> dsPIC isn't _bad_
2014-06-16T09:44:27 < emeb_mac> just not _great_
2014-06-16T09:44:50 < emeb_mac> you can do a lot with a dsPIC if you know how to optimize
2014-06-16T09:45:05 < emeb_mac> but it is just 16-bit 40MHz.
2014-06-16T09:45:19 < dongs> i've seen dspic code
2014-06-16T09:45:26 < dongs> its full of bullshit compiler intrisics
2014-06-16T09:45:30 < dongs> if you wanna do anything normal
2014-06-16T09:45:45 < dongs> ie instead of a / b you gotta do some __div16(a b) type shit
2014-06-16T09:45:53 < dongs> if you want to use the DSP divide etc
2014-06-16T09:45:58 < dongs> fuck that
2014-06-16T09:45:59 < emeb_mac> true
2014-06-16T09:46:14 < emeb_mac> dsPIC needs to be coded in assy for optimum performance
2014-06-16T09:46:17 < dongs> emeb_mac> you can do a lot with a dsPIC if you know how to optimize
2014-06-16T09:46:20 < dongs> er
2014-06-16T09:46:25 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1558049466/bity-bitcoin-app-for-ios
2014-06-16T09:46:26 < dongs> this is weird
2014-06-16T09:46:30 < emeb_mac> the C compiler doesn't know how to use the DSP functions
2014-06-16T09:46:30 < dongs> the QR code on that video
2014-06-16T09:46:34 < dongs> goes to some guyts vcard
2014-06-16T09:46:37 < dongs> pavel boyman
2014-06-16T09:46:51 < dongs> who isnt mentioned naywhere in that apge
2014-06-16T09:46:53 < dongs> page
2014-06-16T09:48:52 < emeb_mac> phishing
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2014-06-16T09:49:09 < dongs> buttcoin, must be legit
2014-06-16T09:57:12 < Viper168_> I've heard of asspennies
2014-06-16T09:57:19 < Viper168_> they have a channel on freenode
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2014-06-16T13:08:50 < jpa-> PaulFertser: regarding openocd fb5e099: yes, seems to improve reliability a lot for me
2014-06-16T13:12:47 < jpa-> PaulFertser: though it still fails sometimes..
2014-06-16T13:20:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV-RnVQdcs
2014-06-16T13:20:51 < dongs> lol
2014-06-16T13:21:17 < PaulFertser> jpa-: good to hear that it visibly improved the matters. If you're feeling like trying to investigate that other, less frequent failure, please ping me.
2014-06-16T13:23:14 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah; too much deadlines now :)
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2014-06-16T13:37:23 < jpa-> http://sourceforge.net/p/nuttx/git/ci/master/tree/nuttx/arch/arm/src/stm32/stm32_otgfsdev.c#l4929   "let's just disable interrupts and wait 3 ms, it's not like anyone would care.."
2014-06-16T13:37:37 < dongs> jesus.
2014-06-16T13:37:44 < dongs> are there 4929 lines of code
2014-06-16T13:37:45 < dongs> in that .c file
2014-06-16T13:38:28 < jpa-> yes
2014-06-16T13:38:40 < dongs> zyp's C++11 shit lookin better and better.
2014-06-16T13:38:42 < jpa-> zyp does the same in 400 lines or so ;)
2014-06-16T13:38:45 < dongs> ^
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2014-06-16T14:42:42 < Laurenceb__> ok this is really weird
2014-06-16T14:42:54 < Laurenceb__> borne shell gives me a 53640 byte binary
2014-06-16T14:43:01 < Laurenceb__> bash 51764
2014-06-16T14:43:21 < Laurenceb__> *51796
2014-06-16T14:43:29 < Laurenceb__> wtf is going on?
2014-06-16T14:44:35 < zyp> hard to tell, you haven't established a context
2014-06-16T14:45:16 < jpa-> maybe your path is different and it is using different version of compiler?
2014-06-16T14:45:22 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-06-16T14:45:35 < jpa-> (who uses borne shell???)
2014-06-16T14:45:56 < Laurenceb__> epic fail
2014-06-16T14:46:04 < Laurenceb__> yeah its different
2014-06-16T14:46:30 < Laurenceb__> i fail at reading - i looked already and though it was the same
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2014-06-16T15:28:38 < mervaka> sup
2014-06-16T15:30:01 < mervaka> does M0's SYSCFG_MemoryRemapConfig remap just the vector table, or everything? :/
2014-06-16T15:30:32 < mervaka> trying to port a bootloader from M3 to M0, getting around the fixed vector table thingy
2014-06-16T15:30:37 < zyp> my guess is everything, but that's just a guess
2014-06-16T15:30:49 < mervaka> i feared that :/
2014-06-16T15:30:54 < mervaka> says nothing about size
2014-06-16T15:30:57 < zyp> why do you bother with that stuff anyway?
2014-06-16T15:31:41 < zyp> for a bootloader, all you need to deal with is SCB_VTOR, which I'd assume is available on M0 too
2014-06-16T15:32:57 < mervaka> vector table is fixed on M0
2014-06-16T15:33:15 < zyp> hmm, is that so
2014-06-16T15:33:20 < zyp> that's surprising
2014-06-16T15:33:38 < mervaka> :(
2014-06-16T15:33:42 < mervaka> but true.
2014-06-16T15:33:56 < zyp> hmm, yeah, no SCB_VTOR
2014-06-16T15:33:59 < mervaka> remapping is of course a much favoured solition
2014-06-16T15:34:01 < mervaka> solution*
2014-06-16T15:34:43 < zyp> it's available in M0+ but not in M0
2014-06-16T15:34:46 < mervaka> have to use the SYSCFG CFGR1 reg to pick the SRAM
2014-06-16T15:34:53 < zyp> hmm
2014-06-16T15:35:02 < zyp> so anyway, what part are you using?
2014-06-16T15:35:15 < mervaka> STM32F030
2014-06-16T15:35:29 < mervaka> uber budget processor, not even my project
2014-06-16T15:35:43 < zyp> ok, hang on while I have a look at the RM
2014-06-16T15:36:02 < mervaka> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/DM00031936.pdf
2014-06-16T15:36:14 < mervaka> page 178
2014-06-16T15:36:38 < mervaka> and 52
2014-06-16T15:36:45 < zyp> isn't it RM0360 for F030?
2014-06-16T15:37:40 < mervaka> oh, hmm
2014-06-16T15:38:04 < mervaka> yes, sorry i have that open too, getting myself confused with google results
2014-06-16T15:38:14 < zyp> looks like same mechanism though
2014-06-16T15:38:28 < mervaka> yeah
2014-06-16T15:38:29 < zyp> just the standard flash/sram/bootrom switch
2014-06-16T15:38:45 < zyp> ugh, that's ugly
2014-06-16T15:39:48 < zyp> so there's really no proper way of having a vector table not located at the start of flash
2014-06-16T15:39:48 < mervaka> it talks of boot memory space
2014-06-16T15:39:56 < zyp> that's the rom bootloader
2014-06-16T15:40:01 < mervaka> yeah
2014-06-16T15:40:15 < mervaka> but it's always aliased according to these register bytes
2014-06-16T15:40:16 < zyp> also called «system flash»
2014-06-16T15:40:47 < zyp> anyway, the problem is the vector table
2014-06-16T15:40:55 < mervaka> yeah
2014-06-16T15:41:54 < zyp> none of the workarounds seems like good ones either
2014-06-16T15:42:33 < zyp> you can put the application vector table in the start of sram, wasting memory
2014-06-16T15:42:53 < mervaka> i guess that's what i was going to do
2014-06-16T15:43:06 < jpa-> or you can put a lot of branches in the bootloader vector table :P
2014-06-16T15:43:09 < zyp> or you could make a dispatcher ISR in the bootloader that's calling the application ISR
2014-06-16T15:43:23 < mervaka> hmm
2014-06-16T15:43:29 < jpa-> only adds one cycle to interrupt latency
2014-06-16T15:43:38 < zyp> or you could reflash the bootloader vector table with application vectors
2014-06-16T15:43:43 < mervaka> not a bad plan tbh. seems much less clunky
2014-06-16T15:44:03 < mervaka> zyp: would that work again after first boot? :/
2014-06-16T15:44:33 < zyp> mervaka, rewrite all vectors except the sram and reset ones, and jump to the reset vector from the bootloader
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2014-06-16T15:45:00 < zyp> only problem is that you risk bricking it every time you flash the bootloader vector table
2014-06-16T15:45:31 < zyp> jpa-, not really
2014-06-16T15:45:55 < mervaka> so if i were to make an assembly file that made all the vectors jump by the offset size, would that work?
2014-06-16T15:46:16 < zyp> jpa-, you'd have to load the vector before jumping to it
2014-06-16T15:46:40 < zyp> you can't execute the vector directly, since it's just a function pointer
2014-06-16T15:48:07 < zyp> and then you're clobbering registers when loading, which is usually fine, but might break certain handlers like svcall, depending on how you use them
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2014-06-16T15:50:25 < mervaka> well the SP is easy enough to jig over
2014-06-16T15:50:39 < mervaka> that and the vector table i think are my only real concerns
2014-06-16T15:51:00 < zyp> hmm
2014-06-16T15:51:36 < zyp> I guess that even with svcall you're supposed to grab the arguments from the stack and not the actual registers, since svcall might be preempted
2014-06-16T15:51:42 < zyp> so that's not an issue anyway
2014-06-16T15:52:42 < zyp> remember that you also get the handler number in IPSR, so you can use one handler and just dispatch based on IPSR
2014-06-16T15:52:56 < mervaka> true
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2014-06-16T15:54:27 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/oCKOU something like this then
2014-06-16T15:54:51 < zyp> and then just point every vector except initial sp and reset to that
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2014-06-16T15:55:29 < mervaka> that's pretty epic :D
2014-06-16T15:55:33 < mervaka> thanks, will try that.
2014-06-16T15:55:47 < zyp> you might want to mark app_vectors const so it can be inlined
2014-06-16T15:55:57 < zyp> or just move it entirely inside the function
2014-06-16T15:56:13 < zyp> you might also want to do it in all assembly :p
2014-06-16T15:56:18 < mervaka> heh
2014-06-16T15:56:28 < zyp> but I believe this should work
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2014-06-16T15:56:51 < mervaka> yeah
2014-06-16T15:57:12 < mervaka> looking at startup_stm32f0xx.s as well
2014-06-16T15:57:30 < mervaka> might be able to do something in assembly level there.
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2014-06-16T16:25:07 < dongs> fucking have to go to best korea tomorrwo agian
2014-06-16T16:26:14 < Steffanx> Don't forget to say hi to Kim.
2014-06-16T16:29:55 < dongs> st.com is unaccessibel
2014-06-16T16:29:59 < dongs> wat da fuq
2014-06-16T16:30:36 < Laurenceb__> dongs going to north korea?
2014-06-16T16:30:38 < zyp> fucking have to go to jp tomorrow again
2014-06-16T16:30:43 < dongs> zyp, really
2014-06-16T16:30:48 < dongs> i thought that was "vacation"
2014-06-16T16:30:58 < zyp> yeah, it is, I'm joking
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2014-06-16T16:36:19 < dongs> Network Error (tcp_error)
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2014-06-16T16:36:20 < dongs> The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a later time.
2014-06-16T16:36:22 < dongs> For assistance, contact your network support team.
2014-06-16T16:36:25 < dongs> 
2014-06-16T16:36:26 < dongs> contact YOUR network team
2014-06-16T16:36:28 < dongs> haha
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2014-06-16T16:37:02 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1031/LN1565
2014-06-16T16:37:06 < dongs> is this sddead for anyone eelse
2014-06-16T16:37:50 < Steffanx> yes
2014-06-16T16:37:56 < Steffanx> totally
2014-06-16T16:38:10 < dongs> fuck.
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2014-06-16T16:39:53 < Miek> my network support team say they can't fix it
2014-06-16T16:40:33 < dongs> same
2014-06-16T16:40:44 < dongs> they told me its a problem with the dumbfuck website located at st.com
2014-06-16T16:41:30 < talsit> works for me
2014-06-16T16:42:30 < Steffanx> Sure :P
2014-06-16T16:42:38 < dongs> hes troling
2014-06-16T16:43:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ctfvjbl.jpg
2014-06-16T16:43:12 < dongs> if it works for you, whats the <title> of that page
2014-06-16T16:44:00 < Miek> STM32F103 - STMicroelectronics
2014-06-16T16:45:28 < Laurenceb__> anyone know how usernames work on windows print servers?
2014-06-16T16:45:38 < dongs> they just do
2014-06-16T16:45:39 < Laurenceb__> ad\\<username>   or something?
2014-06-16T16:45:53 < dongs> \\server\username, as usual.
2014-06-16T16:45:56 < Laurenceb__> oh
2014-06-16T16:46:03 < Laurenceb__> that would explain it
2014-06-16T16:46:08 < Laurenceb__> thanks
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2014-06-16T16:46:32 < dongs> duno about double slashees, but server\username is single slash
2014-06-16T16:46:38 < dongs> maybe neeeds dobule on LUNIX
2014-06-16T16:46:46 < dongs> (which doesnt support printing, so irrelevant there
2014-06-16T16:47:12 < Laurenceb__> trolol
2014-06-16T16:50:09 < Laurenceb__> actually you were right
2014-06-16T16:50:16 < Laurenceb__> complete failure here
2014-06-16T16:51:27 < Steffanx> did dongs refresh yet?
2014-06-16T16:51:32 < jpa-> zyp: oh yeah.. i forgot that cortex-m vectors are just pointers :)
2014-06-16T16:55:21 < dongs> Steffanx: shit is back up
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2014-06-16T17:24:58 < edmont> hi
2014-06-16T17:25:09 < edmont> any cheap flasher?
2014-06-16T17:27:26 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2081058999/lamobo-d1-develop-your-own-mini-camera
2014-06-16T17:27:29 < dongs> wat
2014-06-16T17:27:32 < dongs> edmont: ?
2014-06-16T17:27:51 < BrainDamage> edmont: get a discovery board, it has builtin programmer and debugger
2014-06-16T17:27:54 < BrainDamage> and it's cheap
2014-06-16T17:27:57 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170946368201 if you aree cheap.
2014-06-16T17:28:03 < dongs> and i mean REALLY FUCKING CHEAP.
2014-06-16T17:28:27 < edmont> haha
2014-06-16T17:28:35 < edmont> a mean JTAG/SW
2014-06-16T17:28:54 < dongs> http://www.hotmcu.com/usbminijtag-jlink-jtagswd-debuggeremula%E2%80%8Btor-p-29.html this is nic.
2014-06-16T17:28:58 < scrts_w> our camera is like 4 times smaller
2014-06-16T17:29:00 < dongs> or a -disco board yaeeeh
2014-06-16T17:29:03 < scrts_w> however 2 PCBs there
2014-06-16T17:29:05 < scrts_w> :>
2014-06-16T17:29:08 < dongs> scrts_w: link
2014-06-16T17:29:13 < dongs> and why isnt it on dickstarter
2014-06-16T17:29:18 < dongs> you could be making cash
2014-06-16T17:29:22 < dongs> just beat those fucks to actual releease date.
2014-06-16T17:29:45 < scrts_w> because it's automotive and put in Porsches, Mercedesses, Volvos, etc...
2014-06-16T17:29:47 < dongs> somehting is fucking fucked wiht my keyboard
2014-06-16T17:29:54 < dongs> scrts_w: o then its not digital
2014-06-16T17:30:07 < dongs> arent all those shitty backup cams like CVBS
2014-06-16T17:30:34 < scrts_w> well it is, we use Aptina and Omnivision. We also made a very first automotive ethernet camera
2014-06-16T17:30:41 < dongs> cool
2014-06-16T17:31:48 < edmont> dongs: why would anyone pay 300 € for a Ulink2 if 10 € programmers exist
2014-06-16T17:31:49 < edmont> ?
2014-06-16T17:31:52 < scrts_w> digital cameras run @ 1.4Gbps on twisted pair, so 4 wires to the camera: PWR, GND and one pair. The 1.4Gbps serial link also includes a small peace of spectrum to run UART there RX/TX to/fram camera
2014-06-16T17:32:03 < dongs> edmont: because ulink2 is amazing
2014-06-16T17:32:21 < dongs> also jlink pro
2014-06-16T17:32:26 < dongs> which is awesome for batch programming
2014-06-16T17:32:33 < dongs> stdink is so fucking slow and useless
2014-06-16T17:32:36 < dongs> and only has shit tools
2014-06-16T17:32:38 < edmont> but what's the big difference?
2014-06-16T17:32:41 < dongs> speed
2014-06-16T17:32:51 < dongs> jlink flashes full F103 in a few seconds
2014-06-16T17:32:56 < dongs> its like 20+ seconds with stdink
2014-06-16T17:33:12 < Steffanx> edmont uses windows?
2014-06-16T17:33:13 < scrts_w> jlink clones are damn easily caught by the software...
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2014-06-16T17:33:33 < dongs> they can't realyl do anything with -OB
2014-06-16T17:33:33 < scrts_w> had to buy original one to work without issues :-)
2014-06-16T17:33:39 < dongs> like the one i linked
2014-06-16T17:33:53 < edmont> Steffanx: yes, but in this case i'm using uvision
2014-06-16T17:33:53 < dongs> but yeahm im  currently using legit jlink
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2014-06-16T17:34:15 < dongs> i had a couple clones, one 4.7x version fried one of htem, but hten i tried it again few months later and it workeed again
2014-06-16T17:34:25 < dongs> so i duno what sgoing on
2014-06-16T17:34:32 < dongs> anyway, just using legit shit is less annoying
2014-06-16T17:37:39 < Steffanx> the magic smoke returned.
2014-06-16T17:38:13 < gnomad> quick! stuff it back inside!
2014-06-16T17:40:20 < edmont> we own a ulink2 but we need another programmer for the assemblers, in case they dont have one
2014-06-16T17:42:39 < edmont> what is this? http://www.hotmcu.com/ulink2-debug-adapter-with-usb-interface-p-9.html?cPath=3_25
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2014-06-16T17:55:32 < dongs> ulink clone. works. but no standaloneee flashing util
2014-06-16T17:55:40 < dongs> (as far as i know
2014-06-16T17:56:14 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/support/docs/3061.htm appareently possible, but needs installing keil
2014-06-16T17:56:18 < dongs> which is probly anoying
2014-06-16T18:04:12 < edmont> well, at least is possible
2014-06-16T18:04:30 < dongs> yeah. its also faster than stdink when flashing
2014-06-16T18:04:42 < dongs> i didnt know you could do it standalone, i guess you could, i always thought you had to bulid a project to make it work
2014-06-16T18:04:58 < dongs> i guess if you just make empty project w/hex file in obj/ dir it should just flash it.
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2014-06-16T18:51:23 < Thorn> http://blog.m-ou.se/2013/09/29/compile-time-unit-arithmetic.html
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2014-06-16T19:06:39 < karlp> Laurenceb__: what am I meant to be looking at in that pciture?
2014-06-16T19:06:55 < zyp> if Laurenceb__ posted it, you're probably not meant to look at it
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2014-06-16T20:32:20 < Laurenceb__> karlp: two girls...
2014-06-16T20:32:52 < karlp> riight...
2014-06-16T20:33:03 < karlp> so, everytime that ride's in use then?
2014-06-16T20:38:31 < jpa-> it's just normal Laurenceb__, he posts everything he faps to
2014-06-16T20:38:37 < gnomad> https://www.facebook.com/TwoGirlsandaBucketCleaningServiceInc
2014-06-16T20:39:01 < jpa-> last time it was  
2014-06-16T20:39:06 < jpa-> http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/06/11/placoderm_mating.jpg
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2014-06-16T21:12:30 < PaulFertser> I wonder if those girls know what most internet users would think seeing their photo.
2014-06-16T21:15:13 < Steffanx> Only those obsessed with stupid memed and crap, PaulFertser.
2014-06-16T21:15:13 < madist> what would they think ?
2014-06-16T21:15:26 < madist> I just saw 2 women in a teacup.
2014-06-16T21:15:46 < Steffanx> i only saw some other person with ears on her/his head
2014-06-16T21:16:19  * madist still doesn't get it
2014-06-16T21:16:28 < Steffanx> two girls one cup ;)
2014-06-16T21:16:50 < Steffanx> Good morning madist
2014-06-16T21:17:16 < madist> ohhh
2014-06-16T21:17:42 < madist> 2G1C was 10 years ago
2014-06-16T21:17:47 < Steffanx> Yeah.
2014-06-16T21:18:06 < Steffanx> Some never get over it, same applies to goatse etc.
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2014-06-16T21:32:20 < alphastm> In what situation one will boot from embedded sram?
2014-06-16T21:38:15 < zyp> none really
2014-06-16T21:46:02 < madist> maybe some sort of secure device ?
2014-06-16T21:46:12 < madist> encrypted code on something, decrypt to RAM and run ?
2014-06-16T21:46:24 < zyp> you can do that without booting to RAM
2014-06-16T21:46:49 < zyp> either way you'll need to get something into RAM first before you can run it
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2014-06-16T22:05:26 < alphastm32> Won't resetting the stm32 erase the sram if you put something into it before reset?
2014-06-16T22:05:40 < zyp> no, sram is not cleared on reset
2014-06-16T22:06:09 < zyp> normally you consider it undefined, since it mostly contains leftover garbage
2014-06-16T22:06:16 < zyp> or random data if after a powerup
2014-06-16T22:11:59 < alphastm32> The system memory hold the bootloader.  Can this part of the memory be erased for me to put my own user code into it?
2014-06-16T22:12:12 < zyp> no
2014-06-16T22:12:35 < zyp> it's a factory locked area of the flash
2014-06-16T22:12:59 < alphastm32> Any way to unlock it?  Anyone tried?
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2014-06-16T22:13:19 < zyp> no way that I know of
2014-06-16T22:14:04 < alphastm32> Ok
2014-06-16T22:14:16 < alphastm32> I would be nice to use it as a dual-boot system
2014-06-16T22:15:15 < zyp> agreed
2014-06-16T22:15:57 < zyp> in my own projects I just tend to put the bootloader in front of the normal application in the main flash
2014-06-16T22:16:08 < petus> Hi, the article "how to install eclipse openocd and other" for STM32 is on the world :-) the article is only slovakien.
2014-06-16T22:16:25 < petus> http://www.mikrozone.sk/pluginy/content/content.php?content.127
2014-06-16T22:16:28 < zyp> always booting into the bootloader, then determining there whether to boot application or bootloader mode
2014-06-16T22:16:49 < zyp> the advantage is that you get to use any logic you want to determine that
2014-06-16T22:17:13 < petus> *slovak
2014-06-16T22:21:37 < alphastm32> zyp: you mean you are using another bootloader than the one in system memory? If so, did you create your own?
2014-06-16T22:22:25 < zyp> exactly
2014-06-16T22:22:45 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp
2014-06-16T22:23:10 < zyp> it's using HID for transport instead of DFU, since the device I'm using it in is a HID device
2014-06-16T22:25:02 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp?id=9a09653 <- here's a DFU variant of the same
2014-06-16T22:25:12 < zyp> it's mostly the same code, only difference is the USB frontend
2014-06-16T22:25:33 < alphastm32> I see
2014-06-16T22:26:33 < alphastm32> I'll have to decode your code
2014-06-16T22:27:28 < zyp> start looking at the first ten lines or so of main()
2014-06-16T22:28:28 < zyp> it's just setting up a few gpios so it's able to read buttons, but otherwise leaves the chip mostly in reset condition before determining whether to start in normal or bootloader mode
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2014-06-16T22:29:26 < zyp> then it runs normal_mode() to check which mode, and if it's not starting in bootloader mode it calls chainload() to set it up for normal execution of application code
2014-06-16T22:30:23 < zyp> chainload() then tells the cpu to use the application vector table, then initializes sp and pc from that just like the cpu would do at reset
2014-06-16T22:30:43 < zyp> chainload() is obviously never returning
2014-06-16T22:30:57 < zyp> and if chainload() is not called, it starts the actual bootloader instead
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2014-06-17T01:22:40 < johntramp> what are your guys' experiences of running an stm32 without an external xtal?
2014-06-17T01:23:28 < Steffanx> sure.
2014-06-17T01:23:28 < johntramp> I am using I2C and UARTs with ChibiOS,  do you think I will run into problems without an xtal?
2014-06-17T01:23:36 < bvernoux> johntramp: it is very bad practice
2014-06-17T01:23:42 < bvernoux> very instable ...
2014-06-17T01:23:53 < synic> the guys in openocd were saying that the internal oscillator was accurate enough for USB
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2014-06-17T01:24:23 < qyx_> uart can be problematic
2014-06-17T01:24:26 < bvernoux> for UART it is very bad
2014-06-17T01:24:29 < bvernoux> tons of errors
2014-06-17T01:24:46 < Steffanx> Not very bad, but not ideal..
2014-06-17T01:24:48 < qyx_> i2c/spi has usually no problems
2014-06-17T01:24:50 < bvernoux> for USB too I imagine it will have some errors even if the protocol can retry ...
2014-06-17T01:25:17 < zyp> synic, only on the new f072 and f042 lines
2014-06-17T01:25:22 < zyp> on paper, that is
2014-06-17T01:25:26 < synic> ah
2014-06-17T01:25:28 < Laurenceb> if you calibrate the internal osc very well
2014-06-17T01:25:30 < bvernoux> IIRC USB DFU does not work with Internal RC
2014-06-17T01:25:36 < Laurenceb> in theory its borderline good enough for USB
2014-06-17T01:25:41 < Steffanx> jpa uses the hse of the l1 for USB. "it works"
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2014-06-17T01:25:50 < Steffanx> * "it works for me"
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2014-06-17T01:26:09 < Steffanx> *hsi
2014-06-17T01:26:10 < Steffanx> oops
2014-06-17T01:26:12 < zyp> Steffanx, yeah, in a limited temperature range, etc…
2014-06-17T01:26:13 < bvernoux> the worst is for timing
2014-06-17T01:26:20 < bvernoux> it is totally random with temperature ...
2014-06-17T01:26:32 < Steffanx> totally random..
2014-06-17T01:26:33 < bvernoux> and I do not imagine @168Mhz ;)
2014-06-17T01:26:39 < bvernoux> PLL will never lock ...
2014-06-17T01:27:00 < johntramp> would each mcu's internal rc need to be calibrated too?
2014-06-17T01:27:14 < zyp> calibrated for what?
2014-06-17T01:27:20 < bvernoux> I had tons of issue with GoodFet with internal RC it was not even booting ...
2014-06-17T01:27:44 < bvernoux> but anyway goodfet use TI MSP430 not ST MCU
2014-06-17T01:28:00 < zyp> the new f072/f042 familes have a new HSI48 that can tune itself continously from an outside reference like the USB framerate
2014-06-17T01:28:07 < zyp> which makes it stable enough for USB
2014-06-17T01:28:46 < zyp> johntramp, keep in mind that you don't only have part variance, but also environment variance
2014-06-17T01:29:09 < johntramp> zyp:  yes that's what I mean, part varianve :)
2014-06-17T01:29:12 < johntramp> variance**
2014-06-17T01:29:22 < zyp> I think environment variance is more of a problem
2014-06-17T01:29:23 < bvernoux> anyway Internal RC shall be avoided for any stuff to sell
2014-06-17T01:29:31 < zyp> bullshit
2014-06-17T01:29:50 < zyp> internal RC is fine if you don't need much precision
2014-06-17T01:30:03 < zyp> regardless of you selling it or not
2014-06-17T01:30:09 < bvernoux> it is not serious like people avoiding decoupling capacitor ...
2014-06-17T01:30:15 < bvernoux> and after you have tons of random effects
2014-06-17T01:31:38 < bvernoux> I do not even imagine RS232 @115200bauds with it ;)
2014-06-17T01:31:50 < bvernoux> even 9600bauds could maybe not work at all
2014-06-17T01:31:58 < zyp> why not? 115200 doesn't need better accuracy than 9600
2014-06-17T01:32:20 < zyp> the uart operates with 16x oversampling regardless of baudrate (unless you set it to 8x)
2014-06-17T01:32:39 < bvernoux> it needs faster clock internally
2014-06-17T01:32:40 < zyp> so the timing accuracy needed is the same in either case
2014-06-17T01:32:46 < bvernoux> so even more jitter problems
2014-06-17T01:32:59 < bvernoux> oversampling x16 @ 9600 is slower than at 115200
2014-06-17T01:33:07 < zyp> 5% error is 5% error regardless of the rate
2014-06-17T01:33:32 < bvernoux> where have you see 5% error is acceptable ;)
2014-06-17T01:33:41 < zyp> I didn't say that, I just picked a number
2014-06-17T01:34:03 < zyp> 0.5% error is 0.5% error regardless of the rate too
2014-06-17T01:34:48 < bvernoux> the problem is internal RC will be worst and worst at higher freq
2014-06-17T01:35:54 < zyp> the internal RC runs at a fixed freq.
2014-06-17T01:37:43 < bvernoux> it will be funny to check ClkOut using InternalRC ;)
2014-06-17T01:39:11 < zyp> anyway, the internal clock from the uart is derived from the same source regardless of the prescaler factor, and dividing the clock more doesn't remove any noise/jitter
2014-06-17T01:39:52 < zyp> since a more divided clock isn't any better than a less divided clock, the uart won't perform any better at low baudrate than at high baudrate
2014-06-17T01:40:46 < bvernoux> will be interesting to test in practice
2014-06-17T01:40:50 < bvernoux> you will see it is awfull
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2014-06-17T01:41:08 < zyp> dividing it down won't make it any less awful
2014-06-17T01:41:23 < bvernoux> is speak about test Internal RC with USART
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2014-06-17T01:42:06 < bvernoux> does anyone have heard of new Cortex Mx like M5 or M6 .. ?
2014-06-17T01:42:57 < zyp> what would the improvement be?
2014-06-17T01:43:34 < bvernoux> faster freq and lower power ;)
2014-06-17T01:43:41 < bvernoux> 45nm ;)
2014-06-17T01:43:51 < bvernoux> for IOT stuff or other will be nice
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2014-06-17T01:45:56 < zyp> why would it be nicer than cortex-r or cortex-a?
2014-06-17T01:46:59 < bvernoux> Cortex A is not for realtime
2014-06-17T01:47:10 < bvernoux> Cortex R is a bit heavy too like A but more for realtime
2014-06-17T01:47:42 < zyp> hmm, I think I already have a 40nm cortex-m4
2014-06-17T01:48:01 < bvernoux> cortex M4 are 90nm in better case
2014-06-17T01:48:21 < bvernoux> TI have announced 65nm on next version including Wifi
2014-06-17T01:48:38 < bvernoux> an M4F@80Mhz + CC3000 integrated all in one
2014-06-17T01:48:51 < zyp> well, I have one that's 40nm if I'm reading correctly :)
2014-06-17T01:49:08 < bvernoux> ha what's the manufacturer ?
2014-06-17T01:49:16 < bvernoux> i doubt it exist in 40nm
2014-06-17T01:49:32 < zyp> freescale
2014-06-17T01:49:59 < bvernoux> which one ?
2014-06-17T01:50:16 < zyp> The devices in this portfolio are fabricated in the 40 nm low-power process.
2014-06-17T01:50:35 < zyp> VF6xx
2014-06-17T01:50:54 < bvernoux> at 40nm I imagine the M4F@200Mhz will have a power consumption of less than 40mA
2014-06-17T01:51:09 < bvernoux> compared to STM32F4 which are 90nm
2014-06-17T01:51:11 < zyp> sadly it's only specced for 167 MHz
2014-06-17T01:51:13 < zyp> :p
2014-06-17T01:51:32 < zyp> but there's a 500 MHz A5 in the same package if you need more performance
2014-06-17T01:51:34 < bvernoux> ha it is hyrbid A5 / M4
2014-06-17T01:51:37 < zyp> yep
2014-06-17T01:51:45 < zyp> but still, 40nm M4
2014-06-17T01:52:29 < bvernoux> and it is not even USB HS
2014-06-17T01:52:36 < johntramp> zyp:  bvernoux et al.   cheers,  so I take from that that we should use the xtal :)
2014-06-17T01:52:43 < bvernoux> I do not like Freescale CortexM in fact
2014-06-17T01:53:10 < bvernoux> johntramp: my point of view is ALWAYS use an XTAL it is cheap and stable
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2014-06-17T01:53:31 < zyp> johntramp, unless you have a specific reason for not using it, yes
2014-06-17T01:53:48 < johntramp> yeah,  the hardware guys are suggesting dropping it but I am not that keen on the idea
2014-06-17T01:54:27 < bvernoux> anyway to just blink a led it could work with Internal RC ;)
2014-06-17T01:54:32 < johntramp> specific reason is cost and something else to mechanically fail
2014-06-17T01:54:36 < zyp> johntramp, you could always just leave bare pads there if you later determine you don't need it after all ;)
2014-06-17T01:54:48 < johntramp> yes true
2014-06-17T01:55:02 < zyp> and you can actually test it from software and fall back to internal RC if it fails
2014-06-17T01:55:33 < zyp> some of the stm32 bootloaders do that
2014-06-17T01:55:43 < zyp> they only enable usb if they find a working crystal
2014-06-17T01:55:50 < johntramp> ok okay
2014-06-17T01:56:20 < bvernoux> anyway becareful for a production it can be a total fail
2014-06-17T01:56:37 < bvernoux> even if the Internal RC on ST are trimmed so maybe better than on other MCU
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2014-06-17T01:57:11 < bvernoux> so yes as option external XTAL + capacitor
2014-06-17T01:57:25 < bvernoux> in worst case you solder all board with that ;)
2014-06-17T01:58:55 < qyx_> calibrate your internal rc using clock extracted from uart!
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2014-06-17T02:11:23 < johntramp> bvernoux: when you say it is unstable,  do you mean it has a wide tolerance or will act in an undefined way?   Is it enough to go by the datasheet's specs?
2014-06-17T02:11:53 < bvernoux> in datasheet test are done @25°C
2014-06-17T02:12:04 < johntramp> yes
2014-06-17T02:12:09 < bvernoux> check the stability @40°C or more ...
2014-06-17T02:12:20 < pun84> is eeprom emulation viable?
2014-06-17T02:12:20 < johntramp> so any other temperature is undefined?
2014-06-17T02:12:24 < bvernoux> even in winter @0°C ...
2014-06-17T02:13:14 < bvernoux> quartz are often -25°C + 85°C
2014-06-17T02:13:54 < zyp> johntramp, datasheet values are across the whole temperature range AFAIK
2014-06-17T02:14:33 < bvernoux> zyp: it depends on which manufacturer ;)
2014-06-17T02:14:43 < bvernoux> but yes ST is very good about that
2014-06-17T02:14:46 < johntramp> for internal rc
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2014-06-17T02:58:07 < Thorn> Real Designers use 1PPS signal from GPS (or better yet a Rb standard)
2014-06-17T03:11:24 < dongs> sup pros
2014-06-17T03:11:38 < dongs> bvernoux: status of vaporware hardware
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2014-06-17T03:36:47 < pun84> how many times can you re-write the flash using eeprom-emulation ?
2014-06-17T03:37:25 < zyp> as many times as you can rewrite the flash in any other case
2014-06-17T03:37:49 < zyp> I forget if it's 10k or 100k writes, but something around there
2014-06-17T03:37:51 < zyp> maybe 30k
2014-06-17T03:42:48 < pun84> damn, seems kinda bad.. i've got a little program im working on, i'd like to save one of the settings that can be changed by pressing a button.. should i just buy an external eeprom ?
2014-06-17T03:43:00 < pun84> (a led sequencer)
2014-06-17T03:43:21 < zyp> how many presses is that button rated for? :)
2014-06-17T03:43:28 < pun84> haha
2014-06-17T03:43:36 < pun84> good point
2014-06-17T03:43:56 < zyp> also, this is probably counted as page erases
2014-06-17T03:44:20 < zyp> you could do a revisioned system where you do partial writes and even spread it across multiple pages
2014-06-17T03:44:23 < zyp> for wear levelling
2014-06-17T03:45:06 < pun84> are page erases less agressive?
2014-06-17T03:45:07 < zyp> that should enable you to get another couple orders of magnitude out of it
2014-06-17T03:45:22 < zyp> the only erases are page erases
2014-06-17T03:46:01 < zyp> page erases sets all bits to 1, a write can only leave them or set them to 0
2014-06-17T03:46:15 < pun84> ahhh
2014-06-17T03:46:24 < zyp> so you can do partial writes by leaving parts of a page in erased state for later
2014-06-17T03:47:36 < zyp> I considered writing some code to do this kind of wear levelling once, but I concluded I didn't really need it for that project
2014-06-17T03:47:57 < pun84> sounds pretty complex, how'd you reference to different mem locations each time?
2014-06-17T03:48:31 < pun84> i guess i could always use the backup registers? but if those lose battery power you'd lose the setting anyway wouldnt ya?
2014-06-17T03:50:00 < zyp> yep
2014-06-17T03:50:23 < zyp> backup registers can be powered through vbat when vcc is off
2014-06-17T03:50:33 < zyp> but you still lose them when vbat disappears
2014-06-17T03:51:30 < pun84> would it be feasable to use backup registers, but is it possible to detect when batteries are removed and make a quick flash write before all power is lost? or is that asking a lot
2014-06-17T03:51:31 < pun84> lol
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2014-06-17T04:10:22 < zyp> for wear levelling you just make an array of configurations, and then you have a revision number field in each, so on startup you just search for the newest one
2014-06-17T04:10:43 < zyp> and on write you just find the first free entry and write that
2014-06-17T04:14:13 < gnomad> things get complicated when you need to start moving data around data that hasn't changed for a while.
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2014-06-17T04:35:53 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nandesuka/Todo quality wikipedia editor
2014-06-17T04:39:07 < pun84> oh wow, that sounds pretty slick
2014-06-17T04:39:19 < pun84> with the revision #s
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2014-06-17T04:52:53 < dongs> flyback: isnt this FUCKIGN OLD
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2014-06-17T05:51:20 < dongs> lol, rockbox homepaeg is down
2014-06-17T05:51:31 < dongs> JUST WHEN I WANTED TO ACTUALLY DOWNLOAD THE SHIT
2014-06-17T05:51:33 < dongs> fucking aids
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2014-06-17T06:28:00 < GargantuaSauce> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefixes
2014-06-17T06:41:00 < madist> for the price of a supercap you can buy a lithium cell that will power the same chip for 10 years
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2014-06-17T07:29:04 < baird> Usenet thread in comp.compilers: optimizing compilers for low power design .. One guy's experience managed to extend a system's runtime from 2-3 months on battery to 16 months, by (in part) using instruction sequences that minimised RAM usage.
2014-06-17T07:30:18 < baird> Optimizing for data-flow rather than instruction sets.. Something I haven't heard of since Uni..
2014-06-17T07:33:48 < baird> (analysing the MIPS RISC system, iirc)
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2014-06-17T08:00:37 < jpa-> hmm, midsummer in finland and it is snowing
2014-06-17T08:02:34 < emeb_mac> wha?
2014-06-17T08:02:50 < emeb_mac> weather is badly fscked
2014-06-17T08:04:56 < jpa-> nothing new, though
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2014-06-17T10:23:25 < PaulFertser> Can someone please tell me what JTAG ID is observed when connecting nRF51?
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2014-06-17T10:29:42 < PaulFertser> I remember someone here was talking about nRF51 and OpenOCD config has a strange (cortex-m3) value for its jtag id, with SWD ID properly matching M0. Hence my question, I'd like to correct the ID if it's just a typo.
2014-06-17T10:31:27 < zyp> nrf51 doesn't have jtag mode, as far as I know
2014-06-17T10:31:37 < zyp> i.e. only swd
2014-06-17T10:42:01 < PaulFertser> zyp: hm, seems to be so, I wonder how a config with jtag "support" was created then...
2014-06-17T10:42:34 < PaulFertser> zyp: thank you :)
2014-06-17T10:42:52 < zyp> maybe by somebody who just wanted to keep the configs consistent and didn't know better :)
2014-06-17T10:49:01 < PaulFertser> Sent him an email, we'll see.
2014-06-17T10:49:08 < madist> PaulFertser: Hodapp was working on nrf parts
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2014-06-17T12:46:45 < Tectu__> can somebody please ban Tectu_
2014-06-17T12:46:47 < Tectu__> or kick
2014-06-17T12:46:52 < Tectu__> it's some stupid bot which is out of control
2014-06-17T12:47:28 < jpa-> yes i agree, we need no Tectu here!
2014-06-17T12:48:36 < Tectu__> :-(
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2014-06-17T13:01:42 < Steffanx> No Tectu_ here..
2014-06-17T13:01:52 < Steffanx> oh there is
2014-06-17T13:01:54 < Steffanx> fail client
2014-06-17T13:02:36 < Steffanx> but it's you..
2014-06-17T13:04:47 < Tectu__> Steffanx, it's that bot issue I have since a long time
2014-06-17T13:04:59 < Tectu__> bouncer is still running but admin disappeared and login does not work anymore -.-
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2014-06-17T13:08:50 < Steffanx> but both Tectu__ and Tectu_ are @78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch
2014-06-17T13:09:08 < Steffanx> Tectu on the other hand is that bouncer :P
2014-06-17T13:09:40 < jpa-> ban all the tectus
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2014-06-17T13:18:26 < Steffanx> Don't be so busy Tectu__ / Tectu_ / Tectu
2014-06-17T13:18:28 < Tectu__> Steffanx, wtf
2014-06-17T13:18:38 < Tectu__> Steffanx, where the fuck is Tectu_ :o
2014-06-17T13:18:58 < jpa-> it's coming from inside the building
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2014-06-17T13:19:07 < Tectu_> \o/
2014-06-17T13:19:10 < Steffanx> There was Tectu_
2014-06-17T13:19:21 < Tectu_> stupid computers
2014-06-17T13:25:43 < Steffanx> yw mr Tectu_
2014-06-17T13:27:14 < Tectu_> thank yo Mr. S.
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2014-06-17T14:37:02 < Laurenceb__> http://www.sst-us.com/shop/satellite-subsystems/global-positioning-systems-gps-receivers/sgr-05u-space-gps-receiver
2014-06-17T14:37:05 < Laurenceb__> dat gps
2014-06-17T14:39:40 < Steffanx> can i use your credit card Laurenceb__ ?
2014-06-17T14:39:48 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-06-17T14:40:42 < Laurenceb__> http://www.sst-us.com/shop/satellite-subsystems/gps/sgr-resi-space-gps-receiver
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2014-06-17T15:11:29 < gxti> what a rip, just slap a ublox on there and call it a day
2014-06-17T15:12:10 < madist> ublox doesn't do glonass or the chinese gps does it ?
2014-06-17T15:12:57 < gxti> they do
2014-06-17T15:13:20 < madist> i saw ublox modules on dx.com. assumed they must be some cheap shit.
2014-06-17T15:13:43 < gxti> the older ones don't, which is probably what dx is selling
2014-06-17T15:14:42 < madist> dx has the NEO-6
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2014-06-17T15:33:55 < baird> Let's Play 'Spot the dongs': http://hackaday.com/2014/06/16/cypress-launches-5-arm-dev-board/comment-page-1/#comment-1575302
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2014-06-17T16:03:50 < dongs> sup stoners
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2014-06-17T16:23:55 < baird> ? /st/on3r2
2014-06-17T16:31:55 < Laurenceb_> AptDaemon: INFO: Shutdown was requested
2014-06-17T16:32:00 < Laurenceb_> trolldaemon
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2014-06-17T16:35:47 < dongs> is dat sum luinx
2014-06-17T16:37:00 < Laurenceb_> some fail
2014-06-17T16:37:24 < Laurenceb_> rebootloopnix
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2014-06-17T17:14:05 < scrts_w> hmm
2014-06-17T17:14:11 < scrts_w> CC3200 is getting released
2014-06-17T17:14:14 < scrts_w> looks awesome
2014-06-17T17:14:31 < scrts_w> Cortex-M4 with WiFi subsystem
2014-06-17T17:16:10 < effractur> is the price already known?
2014-06-17T17:19:25 < Steffanx> and probably a totally closed sored tcp/ip stack + rf stuff  scrts_w ?
2014-06-17T17:19:40 < scrts_w> Steffanx: I know as much as you... just found this on TI website
2014-06-17T17:19:48 < Steffanx> ah ok :P
2014-06-17T17:20:10 < scrts_w> the launchpad costs 20 or 30USD
2014-06-17T17:20:27 < Steffanx> hope for them they didn't just combine a cortex-m4 and the cc3000
2014-06-17T17:20:51 < scrts_w> I think it's M4 + CC3100
2014-06-17T17:20:52 < scrts_w> :)
2014-06-17T17:21:26 < Steffanx> oh the CC3100 is also released now
2014-06-17T17:23:00 < karlp> if bvernoux comes back, tell him he's full of shit again for me.
2014-06-17T17:23:30 < Steffanx> The cc3000 looked so nice, but had quite a few flaws. To debug issues, you have to use some uart which outputs encrypted debug info :S
2014-06-17T17:23:38 < Steffanx> which is only readable by some TI employees.
2014-06-17T17:24:31 < Steffanx> you mean the xtal thing, karlp ?
2014-06-17T17:24:32 < scrts_w> well, I used RT5350 for WiFi apps, which I got for around 3USD
2014-06-17T17:24:46 < scrts_w> CC3000 was like 6USD AFAIK?
2014-06-17T17:25:33 < Steffanx> RT5350 runs lunix not?
2014-06-17T17:26:39 < scrts_w> yeah..
2014-06-17T17:26:49 < scrts_w> so SPI flash plus RAM is required
2014-06-17T17:27:44 < karlp> baird: re the optimizing for power, there's some videos and papers around from workign groups on that, adding a -Op flag to gcc :)
2014-06-17T17:29:45 < karlp> johntramp: we're using HSI on an L1 for uart use, and it's totally fine,
2014-06-17T17:30:03 < karlp> been tested in -40 to +80, and the uart was not the problems we ran into
2014-06-17T17:30:34 < karlp> Steffanx: yeah, the foaming at the mouth about crystals
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2014-06-18T00:41:08 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vocore-a-coin-sized-linux-computer-with-wifi
2014-06-18T00:41:20 < GargantuaSauce> >break out 4 year old midrange soc with no additional peripherals
2014-06-18T00:41:24 < GargantuaSauce> >get 80k
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2014-06-18T00:49:09 < fbs> nothing wrong with that
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2014-06-18T01:01:55 < karlp> it's not _so_ old, but yeah, asiarf modules were already available, there was no real reason for vocore
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2014-06-18T03:26:10 < Thorn> https://github.com/google/flatbuffers I wonder if it's usable on microcontrollers
2014-06-18T03:37:08 < BrainDamage> a guy in another channel is having issue by this fantastic build that's supposed to work at 8GHz:  http://imgur.com/KPG2EEr
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2014-06-18T03:44:34 < Thorn> what is that, a LNB?
2014-06-18T03:48:11 < BrainDamage> yes
2014-06-18T03:48:49 < GargantuaSauce> yo u mean
2014-06-18T03:48:52 < GargantuaSauce> HNB
2014-06-18T03:53:09 < BrainDamage> I would just say just NB
2014-06-18T03:53:18 < BrainDamage> because I doubt it does much else
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2014-06-18T05:16:26 < dongs> zyp, your shitt arrived
2014-06-18T05:16:30 < dongs> which is cool cuz im here
2014-06-18T05:16:33 < dongs> and i can go yell at them for you
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2014-06-18T05:24:19 < zyp> nice
2014-06-18T05:40:44 < dongs> at least the office looks less than a dump
2014-06-18T05:40:48 < dongs> slightly
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2014-06-18T14:18:59 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2014/06/17/triggering-remote-fireworks-with-an-arduino-and-an-android/#comments
2014-06-18T14:19:02 < Laurenceb_> top comment
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2014-06-18T15:11:49 < dongs> this is a "hack"??????????????????
2014-06-18T15:12:10 < dongs> lol @ fritzing diagram
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2014-06-18T15:31:49 < Steffanx> Yes.
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2014-06-18T16:30:41 < Laurenceb_> http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/deletehistory/
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2014-06-18T17:17:42 < Laurenceb_> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500639.0
2014-06-18T17:21:34 < Steffanx> I can only laugh about how all those people trusted a semi-random card trading website with their buttcoins.
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2014-06-18T17:23:40 < Laurenceb_> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500639.0
2014-06-18T17:23:47 < Laurenceb_> erm
2014-06-18T17:24:12 < Steffanx> erm what?
2014-06-18T17:24:19 < Laurenceb_> c&p fail
2014-06-18T17:24:39 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ybIkH_u4as
2014-06-18T17:24:46 < Laurenceb_> lolling at the intro
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2014-06-18T18:34:49 < Thorn> eastern Ukraine https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bqa0qXUCMAARszr.jpg:large
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2014-06-18T18:37:14 < PaulFertser> Retarded
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2014-06-18T21:39:13 < Steffanx> i bet you can find a smilar photo with yankees and/or russians, Thorn
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2014-06-18T21:57:08 < gnomad> though much more common among the Southern states than among yanks.
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2014-06-18T22:30:42 < gxti> a camo biki would be more traditional than a wedding dress though
2014-06-18T22:30:45 < gxti> bikini*
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2014-06-18T22:33:18 < BrainDamage> (21:22:09) Tectu_: so I just came home and made   pacman -Syu   reboot and now it does not work anymore at all. Blank screen.
2014-06-18T22:33:18 < BrainDamage> (21:22:12) Tectu_: how to proceed?
2014-06-18T22:33:41 < BrainDamage> lollunix
2014-06-18T22:38:18 < SlaveToTheSauce> read the news first!
2014-06-18T22:38:28 < SlaveToTheSauce> also pray to the relevant gods
2014-06-18T22:38:41 < Steffanx> What fancy channel do you share BrainDamage ? :P
2014-06-18T22:38:50 < Steffanx> #lunix ? #arch?
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2014-06-18T22:40:49 < BrainDamage> arch
2014-06-18T22:41:02 < BrainDamage> archlinux
2014-06-18T22:41:04 < BrainDamage> to be correct
2014-06-18T22:41:35 < Steffanx> i have to see this
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2014-06-19T02:30:39 < pun84> I need a boost converter to run stm32 off 3 AA batteries eh?
2014-06-19T02:32:14 < SlaveToTheSauce> why?
2014-06-19T02:34:57 < pun84> Well, I am looking at the datasheet and I seem to only have the options of E5V (4.75V to 5.25V)  +3V3 (3V to 3.6V)
2014-06-19T02:35:07 < pun84> (im not trying to use the usb power)
2014-06-19T02:35:11 < karlp> wat?
2014-06-19T02:35:24 < pun84> am i wrong?
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2014-06-19T02:39:12 < SlaveToTheSauce> what part?
2014-06-19T02:39:22 < pun84> .....
2014-06-19T02:43:27 < SlaveToTheSauce> most of the micros operate between 2.4-3.6V
2014-06-19T02:43:33 < SlaveToTheSauce> are you talking about one of the discovery boards perhaps?
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2014-06-19T02:44:15 < pun84> ah, my mistake.. yes.. the nucleo
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2014-06-19T02:45:43 < SlaveToTheSauce> pretty sure you can give those 3.3V just fine
2014-06-19T02:45:47 < SlaveToTheSauce> get your shit sorted Tectu_?
2014-06-19T02:46:14 < Tectu_> SlaveToTheSauce, yep, I'm back on my installation
2014-06-19T02:46:21 < Tectu_> SlaveToTheSauce, but now I screwed the windows crap
2014-06-19T02:46:28 < Tectu_> SlaveToTheSauce, it still boots but there's no grub entry for it :-P
2014-06-19T02:46:49 < Tectu_> SlaveToTheSauce, thanks for the support, btw. Never had an issue like that
2014-06-19T02:47:19 < SlaveToTheSauce> haven't been using arch for too long then eh? :D
2014-06-19T02:48:11 < pun84> Yeah, I considered using the +3V3 line.. but i'd have to detach solder bridges
2014-06-19T02:48:55 < SlaveToTheSauce> well it's either that or using a boost converter to supply 5v, 40% of which will be wasted
2014-06-19T02:49:03 < pun84> ouch
2014-06-19T02:49:08 < Tectu_> SlaveToTheSauce, nope, I use it for just a couple of years. But never had to fix issues like this
2014-06-19T02:49:10 < SlaveToTheSauce> which is probably not ideal for a battery application
2014-06-19T02:49:29 < pun84> I knew there were losses involved.. but 40%? goddammmmm
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2014-06-19T02:49:55 < SlaveToTheSauce> well (5-3)/5 right
2014-06-19T02:50:16 < SlaveToTheSauce> cause the 3v rail is just supplied by a linear regulator off 5v
2014-06-19T02:51:14 < pun84> ah
2014-06-19T02:51:46 < SlaveToTheSauce> so that 40% inefficiency plus whatever the boost converter eats
2014-06-19T02:51:51 < SlaveToTheSauce> not a great plan.
2014-06-19T02:53:49 < SlaveToTheSauce> look up the dropout of the 3V regulator on the board, you might get away with just putting 4.5Vbat on the 5V supply
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2014-06-19T02:54:11 < pun84> that would be nice
2014-06-19T02:54:12 < SlaveToTheSauce> (assuming they're alkaline cells)
2014-06-19T02:54:55 < SlaveToTheSauce> and if they're NiMH or whatever else with 1.2V per cell you MIGHT get away with no regulation at all
2014-06-19T02:54:58 < pun84> If i ran the 3v3 line of just two AAs wouldn't I already be at the absolute minimum already
2014-06-19T02:55:39 < SlaveToTheSauce> well look at the datasheet for the microcontroller itself
2014-06-19T02:58:18 < SlaveToTheSauce> ultimately it's what you need to satisfy the voltage requirements for
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2014-06-19T03:03:38 < pun84> I see references to 1.7v to 3.6V for VDD
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2014-06-19T03:15:06 < pun84> Looks like the Vreg for E5V will do 6V max hmmmmmmmmmm ;)
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2014-06-19T04:29:57 < dongs> sup innovators (excluding flyback)
2014-06-19T04:44:14 < upgrdman> i wonder how those super low voltage things work. i mean, would that be cmos?
2014-06-19T04:54:47 < Thorn> who needs 0.5V
2014-06-19T04:54:57 < Thorn> that's below the bandgap
2014-06-19T04:55:16 < Thorn> mostly anyway
2014-06-19T04:57:04 < emeb> innovating my brains out
2014-06-19T04:57:38 < emeb> did some tradeoffs for a cheap-ass embedded USB host. Ended up going with PIC24.
2014-06-19T04:58:25 < emeb> for $3 can get an MCU with enough horsepower to do dual role OTG for a low-end MIDI application.
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2014-06-19T11:36:49 < timemob> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/sense_power/FM89/SC444/PF255590?ecmp=pf255590_enews_memsnews_jun2014&sp_rid=NjkwODIzOTEzNTQS1&sp_mid=9267012
2014-06-19T11:36:53 < timemob> wowowowowo
2014-06-19T11:37:02 < timemob> do want
2014-06-19T11:37:29 < timemob> don't even care about accel, but m0 in 3x3mm
2014-06-19T11:37:36 < timemob> zyp, pcba yelled at
2014-06-19T11:38:12 < timemob> and I sat there soldering some dips
2014-06-19T11:38:15 < timemob> kekeke
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2014-06-19T11:49:51 < timemob> now there's no excuse to use atmel shit ever
2014-06-19T11:56:05 < zyp> :)
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2014-06-19T14:50:27 < __rob> hello, looking at my datasheet, the Schmitt trigger hysteresis is given for the different IO types as a mV value
2014-06-19T14:50:32 < __rob> is this +- from the center
2014-06-19T14:50:47 < __rob> or +- from the min/max voltage range of the input or what
2014-06-19T14:50:58 < baird> Bill Hammack/theengineerguy is back from the dead! .. The new videos are kinda short and fluffy, though.
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2014-06-19T14:58:12 < Laurenceb_> http://s4.b3ta.com/host/creative/70353/1403123876/capcatall.jpg
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2014-06-19T15:21:28 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSqADAur-w
2014-06-19T15:21:38 < Laurenceb_> comments disabled, what a surprise
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2014-06-19T15:48:49 < Tectu_> so a dude just gave me 100 bucks to replace his notebook HDD with an SSD (of the same size, so simply dd that bitch)
2014-06-19T15:52:24 < Steffanx> give him the 100chf back
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2014-06-19T16:52:59 < Tectu_> no
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2014-06-19T17:15:08 < Steffanx> ok
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2014-06-19T18:38:21 < Tectu_> all hail the BrainDamage
2014-06-19T18:39:00 < BrainDamage> wat
2014-06-19T18:41:45 < Tectu_> BrainDamage, you helped a lot yesterday. Thank you very much again
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2014-06-19T19:11:21 < Steffanx> \o/ BrainDamage
2014-06-19T19:11:28 < Steffanx> _o_
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2014-06-19T19:39:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Dgtba_GpG-U
2014-06-19T19:39:37 < Laurenceb_> lol
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2014-06-20T03:28:07 < timemob> st's gay site is throwing errors again
2014-06-20T03:28:12 < timemob> fucking trash
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2014-06-20T04:33:01 < timemob> hah
2014-06-20T04:33:21 < timemob> stm went mega lazy on the lis331eb thing
2014-06-20T04:33:30 < timemob> they just used arm cores for everything
2014-06-20T04:33:40 < timemob> timer,spi,i2c,UART
2014-06-20T04:33:59 < timemob> reference manual is just links to arm docs
2014-06-20T04:34:08 < zyp> heh
2014-06-20T04:34:18 < zyp> not stm32 peripheral cores?
2014-06-20T04:34:47 < timemob> yep
2014-06-20T04:35:03 < timemob> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/DM00084953.pdf
2014-06-20T04:35:09 < zyp> strange
2014-06-20T04:35:28 < timemob> quite. maybe st shit takes up too much space?
2014-06-20T04:35:59 < timemob> page 11
2014-06-20T04:36:09 < timemob> lists all the arm parts
2014-06-20T04:36:37 < zyp> yeah, saw
2014-06-20T04:37:40 < timemob> weird it has so much ram
2014-06-20T04:37:44 < timemob> and no DMA :(
2014-06-20T04:38:12 < timemob> but it could totally replace shit like at tiny in a bunch of prj
2014-06-20T04:39:31 < zyp> single chip quadrotor stab? :p
2014-06-20T04:41:13 < zyp> using i2c internally
2014-06-20T04:42:07 < zyp> maybe it's more sane since it's an ARM core
2014-06-20T04:42:18 < timemob> still needs gyro
2014-06-20T04:42:55 < zyp> oh, it doesn't have gyro?
2014-06-20T04:43:29 < timemob> nope
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2014-06-20T04:47:57 < englishman> What's it for?
2014-06-20T04:48:23 < englishman> F0 with an accel?
2014-06-20T04:48:56 < zyp> sort of
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2014-06-20T04:49:08 < zyp> except it has nothing in common with the F0 except the cpu core
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2014-06-20T04:53:26 < pun84> Anyone ever have trouble with St-link utility -> MCU Core panel?
2014-06-20T04:57:33 < zyp> what kind of troubles?
2014-06-20T05:03:26 < pun84> Run halt and step buttons dont seem to work properly for me
2014-06-20T05:08:00 < madist> upgrdman: http://doctortweek.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/vero-lochmaster.jpg
2014-06-20T05:08:23 < upgrdman> lolwut
2014-06-20T05:08:27  * madist is in the wrong channel
2014-06-20T05:08:35 < upgrdman> thats ok
2014-06-20T05:09:03 < upgrdman> people using EDA for stripboards.... there's some wtf for you.
2014-06-20T05:09:32 < englishman> Wow.... Cool
2014-06-20T05:11:15 < dongs> sup stoners
2014-06-20T05:11:49 < upgrdman> :)
2014-06-20T05:13:30 < englishman> Hay dongs.
2014-06-20T05:14:24 < englishman> I got an eagletree vector so I can take it apart and clone
2014-06-20T05:14:29 < dongs> nice
2014-06-20T05:14:31 < dongs> is that the color one?
2014-06-20T05:14:36 < dongs> and not vaporwareaA?
2014-06-20T05:14:53 < englishman> Yea
2014-06-20T05:15:00 < dongs> 280, much amaze
2014-06-20T05:15:01 < englishman> Shipped
2014-06-20T05:15:09 < englishman> $235 at rmrc
2014-06-20T05:15:19 < dongs> rrmc just emailed me asking for afros :(
2014-06-20T05:15:26 < englishman> Lool
2014-06-20T05:15:27 < dongs> the shit i made yesterday is already all gone
2014-06-20T05:15:34 < dongs> and thats 1k
2014-06-20T05:15:36 < dongs> ugh
2014-06-20T05:15:39 < englishman> Why the fuxj aren't you making more
2014-06-20T05:15:43 < dongs> im trying
2014-06-20T05:15:49 < englishman> You just have to like send an email to a guy
2014-06-20T05:19:47 < dongs> so stoned
2014-06-20T05:19:50 < dongs> catching a flight at 2pm
2014-06-20T05:19:59 < dongs> korean food fucking sucks dick
2014-06-20T05:20:09 < dongs> its either: fuck you spicy or fuck you too fucking sweet
2014-06-20T05:22:21 < englishman> It's not spicy if you're not hallucinating
2014-06-20T05:22:31 < zyp> dongs, agreed
2014-06-20T05:29:58 < dongs> zyp, your shit will be fixed and they'll remail it
2014-06-20T05:30:08 < dongs> or it was probly fixed yesterday but i was too stoned to notice
2014-06-20T05:30:18 < dongs> anyway, they know wat to do with it
2014-06-20T05:30:44 < zyp> ok, good
2014-06-20T05:31:00 < dongs> why the hell did ST spam me with LSM303C when tehy already have LSM303D
2014-06-20T05:31:02 < dongs> which I used in stuff
2014-06-20T05:31:05 < dongs> how can C be newer than D
2014-06-20T05:31:21 < zyp> same way revision numbers doesn't make sense
2014-06-20T05:31:36 < dongs> and their fucking site is still down
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2014-06-20T05:35:09 < dongs> wow.
2014-06-20T05:35:10 < dongs> ragequitter
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2014-06-20T14:59:31 < PaulFertser> Does anyone here have an olimex arm swd adapter and is willing to test openocd support for it (requires self-compiling from git)?
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2014-06-20T15:12:07 < PaulFertser> git fetch ssh://pfertser@openocd.zylin.com:29418/openocd refs/changes/84/2184/3 && checkout FETCH_HEAD && make && make install && openocd -f interface/ftdi/jtagkey2.cfg (or whatever ftdi adapter you have) -c "transport select swd" -f interface/ftdi/olimex-arm-jtag-swd.cfg -f target/stm32f4x.cfg
2014-06-20T15:13:31 < PaulFertser> git fetch http://openocd.zylin.com/openocd refs/changes/84/2184/3
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2014-06-20T15:42:36 < dongs> what does that add, bitbanging swd over ftdi?
2014-06-20T15:45:42 < PaulFertser> dongs: not bitbanging, ftdi adapter has a special mode to do jtag reasonably fast, swd is done in a very similar way using the same mode.
2014-06-20T15:47:16 < PaulFertser> Well, yes, that's bitbanging-level control but with ability to queue long sequences to reduce usb roundtrips.
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2014-06-20T15:48:15 < PaulFertser> I already know it works (and I'm not the one who has implemented it actually) but none of the active devs has that olimex converter for testing.
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2014-06-20T16:03:42 < Thorn> I have arm-usb-ocd-h
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2014-06-20T16:11:20 < PaulFertser> Thorn: then you can use SWD with it with a simple resistor hack (instead of that adapter).
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2014-06-20T16:13:02 < PaulFertser> Thorn: connect TDO directly to SWDIO, and adapter's TDI in series with 330Ohm or so with SWDIO. TCK to SWTCK.
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2014-06-20T16:15:11 < Thorn> that's what required to test the new feature in openocd?
2014-06-20T16:15:31 < Thorn> I should try it
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2014-06-20T16:58:13 < Laurenceb_> lolwtf
2014-06-20T16:58:15 < Laurenceb_> https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1509
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2014-06-20T17:07:36 < madist> you don't read the news ?
2014-06-20T17:07:49 < madist> few days ago Obama declared a national day of making
2014-06-20T17:08:30 < Thorn> how long till he declares a War on Engineering?
2014-06-20T17:09:05 < madist> didn't the MBAs win that one in the 90's ?
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2014-06-20T17:24:19 < gnomad> I heard obama gave a 2 hour speech at the maker faire.  I have even less interest in listening to that than I have Apple keynote addresses.
2014-06-20T17:24:41 < gnomad> but I *would* be interested if there is a 90-second version available.
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2014-06-20T17:42:04 < dongs> fuck makers
2014-06-20T17:42:11 < dongs> tarduino shiteaters
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2014-06-20T20:58:49 < dongs> With 2G/3G/4G support, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth, you can make and receive phone calls, text, browse the web, and much more.
2014-06-20T20:58:55 < dongs> really, neptune pine supports LTE now?
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2014-06-20T20:59:00 < dongs> on a chipset that doesnt support LTE?
2014-06-20T20:59:02 < dongs> thats amazing
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2014-06-20T20:59:07 < Laurenceb_> england got pwned
2014-06-20T20:59:16 < Laurenceb_> celebrating
2014-06-20T20:59:32 < dongs> boringball?
2014-06-20T20:59:33 < dongs> who cares
2014-06-20T20:59:37 < dongs> fuck brazil and fuck football
2014-06-20T20:59:53 < Laurenceb_> DODGEBALL FTW
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2014-06-20T21:06:18 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hybratech/sound-band-finally-a-headset-without-speakers haha
2014-06-20T21:06:34 < dongs> > still not delivered
2014-06-20T21:08:03 < Laurenceb_> a bit like castar
2014-06-20T21:08:07 < Thorn> why do asus motherboards have this turd-colored silkscreen?
2014-06-20T21:08:30 < Thorn> er *soldermask
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2014-06-20T21:10:03 < gnomad> brown is the new black?
2014-06-20T21:10:24 < dongs> Laurenceb_: was castar supposed to deliver
2014-06-20T21:10:34 < dongs> ohh sept2014
2014-06-20T21:10:36 < Laurenceb_> lol
2014-06-20T21:10:50 < Laurenceb_> delivery fapping material for nerds
2014-06-20T21:11:31 < Laurenceb_> im going to troll them with
2014-06-20T21:11:32 < Laurenceb_> http://sg.linkedin.com/pub/gary-elsworth/27/2b4/1b3
2014-06-20T21:11:49 < dongs> lo
2014-06-20T21:12:17 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/107/413/61354fb5ec2c39b9acd972286e2a2d85_large.jpg?1402002111 nice fucking dildo, jerry
2014-06-20T21:13:08 < Laurenceb_> why two projectors and rfid
2014-06-20T21:13:13 < Laurenceb_> the whole this is fail
2014-06-20T21:13:18 < Laurenceb_> *thing
2014-06-20T21:13:22 < Laurenceb_> this is fail too tho
2014-06-20T21:14:18 < Laurenceb_> single dickhead projector + camera based object tracking
2014-06-20T21:15:20 < Laurenceb_> http://images.nitrosell.com/product_images/14/3497/large-flappy-cap-penis.jpg
2014-06-20T21:15:24 < Laurenceb_> with a projector in it
2014-06-20T21:15:31 < dongs> BUT IT HAS FPGA
2014-06-20T21:15:39 < dongs> AND GERRY IS AMAZING WITH FPGAS :))))))))))))
2014-06-20T21:15:45 < dongs> SO GIRLY AND C64 GOOD JOB W!!111
2014-06-20T21:17:30 < Laurenceb_> http://www.healthcaremagic.com/doctorchatlogs/Masturbation-antiseptics-for-penile-ulcer-and-inflammation/13821
2014-06-20T21:17:36 < Laurenceb_> ^castar fan
2014-06-20T21:22:38 < Tectu__> it has been a while since I messed with this stuff... can somebody explain to me why one would need T1 and T2?  (it's a circuit from an official appnote form maxim)   http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/56429/Disp_V3.PNG
2014-06-20T21:22:55 < Tectu__> it's an LED driver and the external crap is to drive higher voltage/current displays
2014-06-20T21:23:02 < Tectu__> 7segment display that is
2014-06-20T21:24:49 < SlaveToTheSauce> that is weird
2014-06-20T21:28:39 < Laurenceb_> to avoid frying the gpio pins
2014-06-20T21:28:56 < Laurenceb_> with 12v
2014-06-20T21:29:11 < Laurenceb_> that way they pull up to 4.3v
2014-06-20T21:29:56 < Thorn> what is +12V is connected but +5V is not
2014-06-20T21:30:10 < madist> the base is at 5V so the emitter can't go over 5V
2014-06-20T21:30:23 < Tectu__> one could also just put some ULN2803 there, right?
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2014-06-20T21:30:41 < Tectu__> (the IC pins do sink)
2014-06-20T21:31:36 < madist> or any open collector buffer
2014-06-20T21:31:50 < madist> unless the requirement is for high side switching
2014-06-20T21:34:25 < Tectu__> well, I am searching for a cheap highside switch solution to drive bigger displays on that MAX7221
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2014-06-20T21:37:09 < qyx_> wtf, why do they connect the pnp that way?
2014-06-20T21:37:57 < SlaveToTheSauce> it's an npn!
2014-06-20T21:38:08 < qyx_> i meant npn
2014-06-20T21:38:09 < qyx_> :>
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2014-06-20T21:38:50 < SlaveToTheSauce> i could understand driving its base from the gpio to pull down the gate, but this topology is screwing with me
2014-06-20T21:38:58 < SlaveToTheSauce> i still don't quite get how bipolars work though
2014-06-20T21:40:06 < madist> sometimes they're very happy and full of energy, and sometimes they're in the dumps.
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2014-06-20T21:42:09 < SlaveToTheSauce> but what about the linear region??
2014-06-20T21:42:31 < Thorn> there isn't any
2014-06-20T21:42:37 < Thorn> they're nonlinear
2014-06-20T21:44:19 < SlaveToTheSauce> ok i guess it makes sense if the inputs are open-drain
2014-06-20T21:44:34 < SlaveToTheSauce> or rather connected to open-drain outputs
2014-06-20T21:47:01 < Tectu__> well, I am confused too, that's why I ask
2014-06-20T21:49:53 < Laurenceb_> why is this so hard to understand
2014-06-20T21:50:01 < Laurenceb_> perman00b central in here
2014-06-20T21:50:49 < SlaveToTheSauce> there are many people i would accept that statement from and you are not one of them :V
2014-06-20T22:00:14 < Laurenceb_> i seem to be the only one who understands why the transistors are needed
2014-06-20T22:04:20 < SlaveToTheSauce> explain why the base is on the 5v supply instead of connected to the input, with the emitter grounded
2014-06-20T22:06:12 < SlaveToTheSauce> every bjt-driven high-side mosfet i've seen is driven that way
2014-06-20T22:06:27 < SlaveToTheSauce> pfet that is
2014-06-20T22:08:10 < Thorn> <dogbert2> 104C is almost boiling...(200+ F)    <--- from ##hardware
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2014-06-20T22:10:21 < SlaveToTheSauce> if you're on a submarine
2014-06-20T22:11:14 < SlaveToTheSauce> so Laurenceb_ do you have something other than unsubstantiated condescension to bring to bear here?
2014-06-20T22:14:15 < gnomad> SlaveToTheSauce: welcome to ##stm32.
2014-06-20T22:14:27 < SlaveToTheSauce> thx :)
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2014-06-21T02:18:22 < pun84> Am I understanding vbatt wrong? is it possible to power the STM32 with one battery source then attach a cr2032 for the backup registers/sram ?
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2014-06-21T02:21:58 < Laurenceb> yes
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2014-06-21T03:43:10 < pun84> Is there any other free IDE out there that beats eclipse?
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2014-06-21T03:49:16 < aadamson> for what?
2014-06-21T03:49:18 < aadamson> there are lots
2014-06-21T03:49:38 < aadamson> keil has a free version (limited, but free) coocox has a free dev version, etc
2014-06-21T03:50:12 < aadamson> whats wrong with eclipse?
2014-06-21T03:50:18 < aadamson> I kinda like it actually
2014-06-21T03:52:38 < pun84> Having a hard time tieing it to st-link and setting up debugging modes
2014-06-21T03:53:49 < aadamson> did you use the add in?
2014-06-21T03:54:02 < aadamson> http://gnuarmeclipse.livius.net/blog/
2014-06-21T03:54:08 < aadamson> doesn't get much eaiser than that
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2014-06-21T04:05:28 < pun84> I think thats what im using, except i havnt setup SEGGER J-Link.. i've got a nucleo evb, that wouldn't make any difference would it?
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2014-06-21T04:41:25 < aadamson> you need to use openocd 0.8.0 with the nucleo's if you aren't
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2014-06-21T05:36:36 < dongs> haha i wiped SZ microUSB supply again
2014-06-21T05:36:50 < dongs> ordered 2k, nobody else has more, need to wait another week for more stock
2014-06-21T05:37:05 < dongs> aadamson: coocox = eclipse + some extra plugins
2014-06-21T05:37:47 < dongs> with arm IDEs its basically either keil (or other payware, like IAR (horrible UI etc)), or eclipse
2014-06-21T05:37:53 < dongs> i think atollic shit is also just eclipse mods
2014-06-21T05:39:43 < aadamson> ah, didn't know that about coocox... yeah on iar, it's eclipse again.. thanks Dongs
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2014-06-21T06:13:01 < dongs> aadamson: whgat, IAR is eclipse now?
2014-06-21T06:13:15 < dongs> they used to have thier own nasty IDE
2014-06-21T06:13:25 < dongs> ohh, there's also the crossworks stuff
2014-06-21T06:13:28 < dongs> if you like gnu/AIDS
2014-06-21T06:13:33 < dongs> 150bux for personal edition isnt too bad
2014-06-21T06:13:41 < dongs> i paid for 2.3 i need to upgrade to 3.x and see if it sucks any less
2014-06-21T06:13:45 < dongs> it lacks basic shit like code complete etc
2014-06-21T06:15:44 < GargantuaSauce> allow my to interject
2014-06-21T06:16:04 < GargantuaSauce> the system to which you refer is gnu on an AIDS platform, or as i've taken to calling it, gnu plus aids
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2014-06-21T07:56:35 < upgrdman> dongs: you do that afro quad board right? ever written firmware for a brushless motor controller?
2014-06-21T07:57:20 < upgrdman> i'm toying with the idea of making a blm controller, just for fun. found a AN from microchip, but not much else on the subject.
2014-06-21T07:57:43 < GargantuaSauce> this is where we ping Simon--
2014-06-21T07:57:54 < upgrdman> oh, does he do this stuff?
2014-06-21T08:00:33 < GargantuaSauce> ya google simonk if you can stomach the rc sites that result
2014-06-21T08:06:10 < GargantuaSauce> i remember there being a good theory document involved but i can't find it
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2014-06-21T08:22:51 < GargantuaSauce> this is a thing i want to get around to building also
2014-06-21T08:23:12 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.monolithicpower.com/DesignNoteDoc/AN047.pdf theres the AN thats been sitting in my electronics folder for awhile
2014-06-21T08:24:19 < GargantuaSauce> it seems pretty straightforward, driving two poles at a time
2014-06-21T08:24:54 < GargantuaSauce> start out open-loop for a couple cycles and then start watching the floating pole and timing the zero-crossing to figure out when to advance
2014-06-21T08:25:22 < upgrdman> ya, that's what i've read too.
2014-06-21T08:25:37 < upgrdman> i'm guessing the timing would be based on the crossover point?
2014-06-21T08:26:02 < upgrdman> timing as in advanced/retarded
2014-06-21T08:26:30 < GargantuaSauce> yeah, double it to maintain the speed, tweak it to acc/decelerate
2014-06-21T08:27:21 < upgrdman> that pdf you linked... funny how they plaster it with "confidential, internal use only" and then post it on their public web site
2014-06-21T08:27:39 < GargantuaSauce> heheh yep
2014-06-21T08:37:10 < GargantuaSauce> hmm, the one i want to drive has hall sensors but i think i already fried one
2014-06-21T08:43:46 < upgrdman> im going to try sensorless first, since im a glutton for punishment :/
2014-06-21T08:44:05 < GargantuaSauce> yeah me too
2014-06-21T08:45:00 < GargantuaSauce> might even be feasible to halfass the zero crossing sensing with a voltage divider and comparator, instead of using an amp and adc
2014-06-21T08:45:51 < GargantuaSauce> also come to think of it changing the timing might be a worse way to control the speed than just adjusting the duty cycle of the driver
2014-06-21T08:45:58 < GargantuaSauce> or maybe both are necessary i dunno
2014-06-21T08:47:10 < GargantuaSauce> what's your application?
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2014-06-21T08:59:06 < dongs> < GargantuaSauce> might even be feasible to halfass the zero crossing sensing with a voltage divider and comparator, instead of using an amp and adc
2014-06-21T08:59:13 < dongs> what do you think atmel-based escs do
2014-06-21T08:59:14 < dongs> heh
2014-06-21T08:59:41 < GargantuaSauce> well, myth confirmed
2014-06-21T08:59:49 < GargantuaSauce> i didn't peruse your design past looking at the fet drivers
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2014-06-21T09:00:56 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce: well i was thinking of making the ESCs for fun, and maybe, one day, playing around with motor + flywheels to do, um, shit. what's it called. moving an object by adjusting the torque applied to two flywheels.
2014-06-21T09:01:03 < upgrdman> gyro precession?
2014-06-21T09:01:08 < GargantuaSauce> oh reaction wheels
2014-06-21T09:01:09 < GargantuaSauce> cool
2014-06-21T09:01:13 < upgrdman> o yes
2014-06-21T09:01:41 < GargantuaSauce> it's only a gyro reactor or whatever they're called if you apply torque around a second axis perpendicular to the spinning flywheel
2014-06-21T09:02:03 < upgrdman> k
2014-06-21T09:02:11 < GargantuaSauce> and those work way better cause you can keep them at a constant velocity instead of constant acceleration to apply constant torque
2014-06-21T09:02:14 < GargantuaSauce> but are way more complicated
2014-06-21T09:03:51 < upgrdman> the more i play around with electronics the more i want to triple major at the uni... but fuck that workload.
2014-06-21T09:04:03 < upgrdman> cs, ee, physics, math... so much useful shit to do.
2014-06-21T09:04:15 < GargantuaSauce> yeah...
2014-06-21T09:04:37 < GargantuaSauce> i cant decide what to do for a masters for the same reason, and as a result have pushed it back 3 times
2014-06-21T09:04:43 < GargantuaSauce> should probably stop doing that
2014-06-21T09:05:05 < upgrdman> what do you have a bach in?
2014-06-21T09:05:11 < GargantuaSauce> compsci
2014-06-21T09:05:20 < upgrdman> cool. my major :)
2014-06-21T09:05:30 < GargantuaSauce> best major
2014-06-21T09:23:20 < GargantuaSauce> i guess the big-kid term for the latter device is actually 'control moment gyro'
2014-06-21T09:23:23 < GargantuaSauce> and they are fancy as hell
2014-06-21T09:35:18 < upgrdman> pretty pictures of them o
2014-06-21T09:35:23 < upgrdman> *to
2014-06-21T09:36:43 < upgrdman> well now i have plenty to think about. off to bed.
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2014-06-21T10:38:29 < dongs> with metal tweezers
2014-06-21T11:03:28 < madist> lay off the LSD
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2014-06-21T14:39:46 < dongs> hmm, emeb ragequit
2014-06-21T14:40:14 < zyp> isn't he normally asleep this time anyway?
2014-06-21T14:40:20 < dongs> donno
2014-06-21T14:40:26 < dongs> was gonna ask him for some recomendation of cheap headphone amp
2014-06-21T14:40:30 < dongs> single chip
2014-06-21T14:40:32 < dongs> im sure he'd know
2014-06-21T14:40:37 < dongs> but anyone else is welcome to suggest :p
2014-06-21T14:41:30 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ml/mxbg083x/mxbg083x.pdf lol, amazing package
2014-06-21T14:42:04 < zyp> heh
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2014-06-21T14:53:54 < scrts> good luc ksoldering that :)))
2014-06-21T14:57:01 < dongs> heh, the YMU828B breakout board dude did here was same shit, 0.4mm pitch
2014-06-21T14:57:10 < dongs> every bga pad had to be via-in-pad
2014-06-21T14:57:16 < dongs> to fanout
2014-06-21T14:58:23 < dongs> oh wtf
2014-06-21T14:58:27 < dongs> their final package changed
2014-06-21T14:58:29 < dongs> this was some beta thing
2014-06-21T14:59:16 < dongs> hm final is rectangular
2014-06-21T14:59:20 < dongs> this was square
2014-06-21T15:02:18 < scrts> if it's like 2.5x2mm - who cares?
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2014-06-21T15:26:12 < pun84> anyone have problems getting openocd to work with stm32 f401?
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2014-06-21T15:33:45 < dongs> i havent had much luck getting openocd to do anything other than failing
2014-06-21T15:34:54 < Steffanx> pebkac.
2014-06-21T15:35:26 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27951043
2014-06-21T15:35:37 < dongs> makes sense that the inventor of the bullet proof vest would be an american
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2014-06-21T15:40:08 < pun84> what would you recommend as a free debugger for stm32 f401 (nucleo)
2014-06-21T15:40:53 < dongs> um doenst that come wiht stlink?
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2014-06-21T15:42:07 < Steffanx> pun84, you can always try #openocd for your openocd issues.
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2014-06-21T16:09:43 < dongs> oscar has a for bakers only post
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2014-06-21T16:29:55 < pun84> sure, it comes with stlink.. but the stlink utility doesnt seem to work properly for stepping through code
2014-06-21T16:30:03 < pun84> unless i am supposed to interface it with eclipse somehow?
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2014-06-21T16:30:27 < Laurenceb> maybe...
2014-06-21T16:30:30 < Laurenceb> good luck with that
2014-06-21T16:30:33 < Laurenceb> i use gdv
2014-06-21T16:30:36 < Laurenceb> *gdb
2014-06-21T16:31:01 < pun84> on a nucleo?
2014-06-21T16:31:19 < Laurenceb> no
2014-06-21T16:31:26 < Laurenceb> but it should work fine
2014-06-21T16:31:46 < pun84> gdp as a plugin within eclipse?
2014-06-21T16:32:38 < Laurenceb> no  - terminal
2014-06-21T16:32:44 < Laurenceb> but it can be used as a plugin
2014-06-21T16:32:55 < Laurenceb> i tried and failed to make that work on windows
2014-06-21T16:33:02 < Laurenceb> are you on windows or linux?
2014-06-21T16:33:27 < pun84> windows, i could get a linux setup goin but it would be a pita
2014-06-21T16:33:44 < Laurenceb> ok
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2014-06-21T16:33:51 < Laurenceb> yeah i dunno
2014-06-21T16:34:06 < Laurenceb> i know its possible, but dont know how
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2014-06-21T16:38:33 < aadamson> pun84, might have been someone else, but didn't we have this conversation?
2014-06-21T16:38:47 < aadamson> st-link needs some form of debugger, gdb, etc
2014-06-21T16:38:50 < aadamson> to step through code
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2014-06-21T16:39:08 < aadamson> the st utilities for the st-link don't provide that
2014-06-21T16:39:30 < dongs> use closed sores debugger
2014-06-21T16:40:00 < pun84> Well what's the MCU Core tab for? it's got Run Halt, System Reset, Core Reset, Step, and Read Core Reg
2014-06-21T16:40:13 < dongs> unless  you enjoy stepping through asm...
2014-06-21T16:40:14 < aadamson> there are a number of tutorials online for how to use openocd as the debugger
2014-06-21T16:40:28 < aadamson> ^ as Dongs says
2014-06-21T16:40:50 < aadamson> and for a nucleo, you'll need to use at least version 0.8.0 of openocd
2014-06-21T16:41:02 < aadamson> before doesn't support the usb id's that are used in the nucleo
2014-06-21T16:41:37 < aadamson> Hey Laurenceb what bear did you poke on #HA this morning with *knowing who someone was*? :)
2014-06-21T16:41:48 < aadamson> (sri for you it's afternoon)
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2014-06-21T16:42:51 < aadamson> pun84, until I switched to j-link, I used st-link v2 or on the discovery *all* the time with openocd, it works just fine
2014-06-21T16:44:39 < aadamson> pun84, you can start here if you like, but that will assume eclipse (BTW, I only work under windows) - http://gnuarmeclipse.livius.net/blog/
2014-06-21T16:46:15 < pun84> I do have the windows binaries of 0.8.0, but i can't get it to connect http://pastebin.com/JXp9VWhs
2014-06-21T16:46:31 < pun84> j-link is a pay solution isnt it? worth it?
2014-06-21T16:47:08 < aadamson> you don't have the libusb driver stuff installed I think, that error is driver releated
2014-06-21T16:47:16 < pun84> "Debug: 266 1306 pld.c:207 handle_pld_init_command(): Initializing PLDs..." is as far as i can get it to go
2014-06-21T16:47:23 < aadamson> j-link - yes on pay, but I just use the EDU version
2014-06-21T16:47:33 < pun84> if i cycle the usb then run ocd
2014-06-21T16:49:14 < aadamson> unfortunately, I don't have time to debug your issues, I'm sure you aren't the first to try it however so google is your friend
2014-06-21T16:49:40 < pun84> fair enough
2014-06-21T16:49:42 < pun84> thanks
2014-06-21T16:49:47 < aadamson> np
2014-06-21T16:50:33 < dongs> jlink is worth it. you can get -edu for $65-ish or chinaclone for $15
2014-06-21T16:50:47 < dongs> http://www.hotmcu.com/usbminijtag-jlink-jtagswd-debuggeremula%E2%80%8Btor-p-29.html
2014-06-21T16:50:57 < dongs> it comes wiht gdbserver which you directly talk to from eclipse
2014-06-21T16:51:01 < dongs> bypassing the aids that is openocd
2014-06-21T16:51:04 < dongs> so shit "just works"
2014-06-21T16:51:56 < aadamson> ^ :) I especially like that part
2014-06-21T16:52:07 < pun84> sounds good, this has turned into a time sink.. i've been able to do a lot of stuff with Eclipse.. but i'd like to some nicer stuff without being in the dark
2014-06-21T16:52:17 < pun84> i'd prolly pay the $ =p
2014-06-21T16:52:32 < pun84> when you say edu, i've gotta prove im in school or something?
2014-06-21T16:52:34 < dongs> you can also try crossworks demo
2014-06-21T16:52:35 < dongs> no
2014-06-21T16:52:38 < dongs> just buy from digikey
2014-06-21T16:52:48 < aadamson> I got my EDU from DK in the us for $60 I believe
2014-06-21T16:52:53 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8.08.90%20J-LINK%20EDU/899-1008-ND/2263130
2014-06-21T16:52:59 < dongs> 65
2014-06-21T16:53:22 < aadamson> ah, price went a little since I got mine, but they are worth it
2014-06-21T16:53:51 < pun84> so j-link plays nicer with eclipse eh?
2014-06-21T16:54:08 < dongs> you skip the "dicking with openocd" part
2014-06-21T16:54:13 < pun84> haha
2014-06-21T16:54:14 < dongs> and just have eclipse connect to it directly
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2014-06-21T18:35:33 < dongs> emeb_mac: beap
2014-06-21T18:35:45 < dongs> i figured y ou'd be teh guy to ask
2014-06-21T18:36:43 < dongs> lookin for some 1W~ish speaker/headphone amp combo w/plug detect shit. something similar to LM4873
2014-06-21T18:37:13 < dongs> but not as retarded
2014-06-21T18:39:07 < dongs> hm LM4863
2014-06-21T18:40:08 < dongs> bonus: spdif in
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2014-06-21T18:48:32 < dongs> Pros: perfect receiver, easy to use, hw mode
2014-06-21T18:48:33 < dongs> Cons: no dip package, can't work in 192khz
2014-06-21T18:54:48 < dongs> http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/analog/audio/MAX9888.html holy fuck thats like EXACTLY WHAT IT WANT
2014-06-21T18:54:51 < dongs> It=I
2014-06-21T18:54:57 < emeb_mac> dongs: boop
2014-06-21T18:55:02 < dongs> except this part: 63 WLP Package (3.80mm x 3.30mm, 0.4mm Pitch)
2014-06-21T18:55:53 < emeb_mac> do you need adc?
2014-06-21T18:55:56 < dongs> no
2014-06-21T18:55:58 < dongs> only out.
2014-06-21T18:56:05 < BrainDamage> "we'll now offer semiconductor packages with both cut and uncut versions for ease of snorting"
2014-06-21T18:56:47 < emeb_mac> I saw something recently that might be right. forgot the part number tho... :P
2014-06-21T18:56:57 < emeb_mac> digital in?
2014-06-21T18:57:00 < dongs> yeah spdif
2014-06-21T18:57:12 < emeb_mac> ooo - that's a little harder
2014-06-21T18:57:18 < emeb_mac> most are I2S
2014-06-21T18:57:21 < dongs> well, i could deal wiht spdif>i2s shiz
2014-06-21T18:59:17 < scrts> dongs: you still do stuff with DIP packages?
2014-06-21T18:59:37 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=23&y=14&lang=en&site=us&KeyWords=WM8804+ -> http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/spdif_transceivers/WM8804/
2014-06-21T18:59:43 < dongs> scrts: no, im trolling
2014-06-21T19:00:25 < scrts> maybe cmedia also have something...
2014-06-21T19:00:37 < dongs> or crystal
2014-06-21T19:00:41 < scrts> wolfson, TI, hm, who's else..
2014-06-21T19:00:49 < dongs> er cirrus
2014-06-21T19:00:59 < emeb_mac> crystal/cirrus is the one I know
2014-06-21T19:02:22 < emeb_mac> http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/CS8416_F3.pdf
2014-06-21T19:02:30 < dongs> prodatasheet
2014-06-21T19:02:38 < scrts> I think this will be expensive
2014-06-21T19:02:39 < dongs> emeb, i saw that
2014-06-21T19:02:49 < dongs> thats jsut spdif>i2s, no?
2014-06-21T19:03:28 < emeb_mac> yeah
2014-06-21T19:03:50 < dongs> plus that shit is expensive as ballz
2014-06-21T19:03:53 < dongs> wtf 10bucks @ digikey
2014-06-21T19:03:55 < emeb_mac> true dat
2014-06-21T19:04:08 < scrts> said ya...
2014-06-21T19:04:24 < dongs> all i want is some noise out of spdif that comes out of HDMI audio
2014-06-21T19:04:42 < dongs> doesnt even have to be AUDiOPhOoLQuaLiTy
2014-06-21T19:04:55 < dongs> surely theres 1chip shit to do that
2014-06-21T19:05:29 < emeb_mac> wm8804 @ mouser -> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Wolfson-Microelectronics/WM8804GEDS-V/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvCdCM%252bTxw7kvwTAeiQqDhJrO2Cw3wsk4k%3d
2014-06-21T19:05:33 < dongs> hdmi rx outputs SPDIF, so I'll need to convert it right on the board into something else, preferably DAC directly to speaker amp :)
2014-06-21T19:05:46 < emeb_mac> 2bux
2014-06-21T19:06:15 < emeb_mac> surprised that hdmi rx doesn't do i2s also
2014-06-21T19:06:29 < emeb_mac> the hdmi tx muxes I've seen accept i2s input...
2014-06-21T19:06:37 < dongs> good point, but no it doesnt
2014-06-21T19:06:47 < scrts> so what type do they output?
2014-06-21T19:06:57 < scrts> hdmi rx chips I mean
2014-06-21T19:07:42 < dongs> all theones ive seen only do spdif
2014-06-21T19:08:38 < dongs> oh, some ITE thing i cant use has I2S
2014-06-21T19:08:47 < dongs> ITE HDMI rx
2014-06-21T19:09:38 < emeb_mac> dongs: why you need plug detect?
2014-06-21T19:09:53 < dongs> emeb_mac: to turn off speaker wehn headphone is in?
2014-06-21T19:10:12 < emeb_mac> aha
2014-06-21T19:10:25  * emeb_mac usually just uses switching jacks for that
2014-06-21T19:10:53 < dongs> like what?
2014-06-21T19:11:04 < dongs> stuff that kills speaker outputs?
2014-06-21T19:11:16 < dongs> thats fine too if thats the pro way to do it
2014-06-21T19:11:46 < emeb_mac> jacks with switch contacts on the R/L pins
2014-06-21T19:11:55 < scrts> http://www.analog.com/en/audiovideo-products/video-decoders/adv7441a/products/product.html
2014-06-21T19:11:59 < scrts> this has I2S output
2014-06-21T19:12:02 < emeb_mac> closed to speakers when no plug in.
2014-06-21T19:12:03 < scrts> too bad NRND
2014-06-21T19:12:09 < scrts> there should be an alternative
2014-06-21T19:12:11 < dongs> scrts: my hdmi rx is decidec, i dont have a choice there
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2014-06-21T19:12:20 < scrts> ah..
2014-06-21T19:13:28 < emeb_mac> dongs: seen these? http://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX9850.pdf
2014-06-21T19:13:36 < dongs> im using ADV7611 in another proj that shit has i2s also
2014-06-21T19:13:36 < dongs> ugh
2014-06-21T19:13:55 < emeb_mac> kinda low power I guess
2014-06-21T19:14:14 < dongs> emeb_mac: LM4863 seems OK I guess, i dunno much about this shit t ho
2014-06-21T19:15:17 < dongs> thats yet another fucking chip tho
2014-06-21T19:15:19 < dongs> damn
2014-06-21T19:15:39 < emeb_mac> ya - 4863 has no DACs
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2014-06-21T19:16:07 < emeb_mac> but combine a 4863 w/ a CS4344 + WM8804 and you're there.
2014-06-21T19:16:25 < emeb_mac> need a little MCU to do all the setup tho. :P
2014-06-21T19:16:30 < emeb_mac> I2C all the things
2014-06-21T19:16:46 < dongs> thats a shitload of work just to get audio out of hdmi
2014-06-21T19:16:53 < emeb_mac> no kidding
2014-06-21T19:16:56 < dongs> why hasnt some asshole made a single-chip shit for this
2014-06-21T19:16:58 < scrts> sounds like take motorcycle and motorcycle, so you'll have a car
2014-06-21T19:17:03 < dongs> (maxim did, in 0.4mm pitch bga
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2014-06-21T19:18:36 < emeb_mac> if you can buy them
2014-06-21T19:18:53 < emeb_mac> Maxim is bad that way - sometimes datasheets are just "trial balloons"
2014-06-21T19:19:16 < emeb_mac> call factory - "we can make those for you in 120days if you order 10k"
2014-06-21T19:20:47 < dongs> http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/audio_hubs/WM8993/
2014-06-21T19:20:48 < dongs> !
2014-06-21T19:21:09 < dongs> oh motherfucker
2014-06-21T19:21:13 < dongs> 48-ball W-CSP package (3.64x3.54x0.7mm,0.5mm pitch)
2014-06-21T19:21:18 < dongs> wtf?!?!??@#!@#
2014-06-21T19:21:34 < dongs> they must be on anti-DIP campaign
2014-06-21T19:22:03 < dongs> wait that shit has adc too, useless, toom uch crap
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2014-06-21T19:22:10 < emeb_mac> how about this: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv320dac32.pdf
2014-06-21T19:22:35 < dongs> needs 1.8VCore?
2014-06-21T19:23:01 < emeb_mac> ugh
2014-06-21T19:24:12 < emeb_mac> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv320dac26.pdf
2014-06-21T19:24:55 < dongs> OK so im down to 2 chips
2014-06-21T19:25:25 < dongs>  Figure 16 shows a typical jack configuration using a capless output configuration. In this configuration, the
2014-06-21T19:25:28 < dongs> .DAC26 drives the loudspeaker whenever headphones are not inserted in the jack and drives the headphones whenever
2014-06-21T19:25:32 < dongs> it is inserted in the jack.
2014-06-21T19:25:33 < dongs> score
2014-06-21T19:27:15 < emeb_mac> nice
2014-06-21T19:27:33 < emeb_mac> weak output pwr - 330mW
2014-06-21T19:27:37 < dongs> oh. speaker driver is only...
2014-06-21T19:27:39 < dongs> yes i was just typign that
2014-06-21T19:27:45 < emeb_mac> also 48ksps max
2014-06-21T19:27:55 < emeb_mac> how about this? http://www.ti.com/product/LM49321/description?keyMatch=stereo%20dac%20headphone&tisearch=Search-EN
2014-06-21T19:28:11 < dongs> mono part seems dodgy
2014-06-21T19:28:19 < emeb_mac> 1/2W output, 192ksps
2014-06-21T19:28:20 < dongs> i think speakers need to be stereo too
2014-06-21T19:29:06 < dongs> also this: 36DSBGA
2014-06-21T19:29:16 < dongs> last  I looked up what DSBGA was, it was like 2x2mm
2014-06-21T19:29:20 < dongs> with 0.4mm pitch
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2014-06-21T19:30:11 < qyx_> 6x6 balls wouldnt wit in 2x2mm
2014-06-21T19:30:15 < qyx_> *fit
2014-06-21T19:31:10 < dongs> http://www.atmel.com/devices/AT73C240.aspx
2014-06-21T19:31:12 < dongs> score
2014-06-21T19:31:22 < dongs> too bad obsolete as shit
2014-06-21T19:32:31 < qyx_> 90dB snr only, not enough hifi
2014-06-21T19:33:30 < dongs> Available in 19-ball, 1.74 mm × 2.1 mm, 0.4 mm pitch WLCSP
2014-06-21T19:33:31 < dongs> ahahah
2014-06-21T19:33:33 < emeb_mac> haha
2014-06-21T19:33:55 < emeb_mac> atmel makes audio? who knew?
2014-06-21T19:34:00 < dongs> i kno rite
2014-06-21T19:34:04 < dongs> foudn taht shit from some 2008 PR spam site
2014-06-21T19:34:54 < dongs> http://support.atmel.com/bin/customer.exe totally legit link
2014-06-21T19:36:26 < emeb_mac> uh, yeah.
2014-06-21T19:38:23 < emeb_mac> dongs: here you go: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm49450.pdf
2014-06-21T19:38:42 < emeb_mac> qfn, 192k, 2.5W
2014-06-21T19:39:03 < emeb_mac> single supply
2014-06-21T19:39:21 < dongs> mmm, yeha
2014-06-21T19:39:29 < dongs> and no outside parts
2014-06-21T19:39:38 < emeb_mac> headphone sense
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2014-06-21T19:40:14 < dongs> and amaze 3D something
2014-06-21T19:40:34 < emeb_mac> whoo-hoo!
2014-06-21T19:40:37 < dongs> The LM49450 digital audio path features TI.s 3D enhancement that widens or narrows the perceived soundstage
2014-06-21T19:40:40 < dongs> of a stereo audio signal. T
2014-06-21T19:40:43 < dongs> fucy jea
2014-06-21T19:40:52 < dongs> 'soundstage' used outside of a $5000 ethernet cable review
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2014-06-21T19:41:04 < emeb_mac> lulz
2014-06-21T19:41:33 < emeb_mac> $5/qty100 @ DK
2014-06-21T19:41:45 < dongs> yeah im def asking for that one monday to see if its available
2014-06-21T19:42:21 < dongs> I2C Inpt 2.5W/Ch Low EMI St Class D Sub-Sys w/ Gnd Ref Headph Amp, 3D Enhancement, & Headph Sns
2014-06-21T19:42:26 < dongs> its like tehy dont want you to find it
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2014-06-21T19:42:51 < dongs> (only if youre lookin for 3D enhancement
2014-06-21T19:45:32 < dongs> hmm, that  needs no crystal?
2014-06-21T19:45:37 < dongs> wahts it clocked off, the I2S?
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2014-06-21T19:48:57 < scrts> btw, what gui and compiler do you use for stm32?
2014-06-21T19:49:12 < dongs> me? just keil, i dislike wasting time
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2014-06-21T19:50:23 < scrts> dat shit costs 'alot'
2014-06-21T19:51:16 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah - must be an I2S slave - clock comes from the master.
2014-06-21T19:52:07 < emeb_mac> scrts: what OS you use?
2014-06-21T19:52:12 < scrts> win
2014-06-21T19:52:19 < emeb_mac> tried em:blocks?
2014-06-21T19:52:30 < scrts> never heard of it
2014-06-21T19:52:32 < emeb_mac> has pretty good stm32 support
2014-06-21T19:52:57 < emeb_mac> http://www.emblocks.org/web/
2014-06-21T19:53:21 < dongs> why do you need to specialcase Stm32 suport
2014-06-21T19:54:18 < dongs> hum, that looks neat
2014-06-21T19:55:24 < emeb_mac> I've tried a couple of simple projects in it - worked fine.
2014-06-21T19:55:31 < emeb_mac> supports the stlink programmer
2014-06-21T19:59:50 < dongs> http://obex.parallax.com/object/561 all my problems solved
2014-06-21T20:00:52 < emeb_mac> haha
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2014-06-21T20:03:19 < emeb_mac> you could probably make a spdif rx in a CPLD. probably not cheaper than the Wolfson part tho
2014-06-21T20:03:38 < dongs> https://plus.google.com/113830851901304036671/posts/RyXzNUKoR9o
2014-06-21T20:04:28 < dongs> if the pics were any bigger, they wouldn't fit on my 4k monitor
2014-06-21T20:05:34 < dongs> oh how about ESS
2014-06-21T20:05:59 < dongs> hm nothign useful
2014-06-21T20:06:02 < dongs> just audiophool shit
2014-06-21T20:07:23 < dongs> yesss
2014-06-21T20:07:27 < dongs> http://www2.conexant.com/Product/Audio/dap/CX20805/Pages/default.aspx
2014-06-21T20:07:29 < emeb_mac> cool stack of boards
2014-06-21T20:08:06 < emeb_mac> conexant. meh
2014-06-21T20:08:39 < dongs> http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/216234-wm8804-jitter.html#post3094806
2014-06-21T20:09:30 < emeb_mac> yeah - clock recovery on SPDIF is an issue
2014-06-21T20:09:44 < emeb_mac> doubt that it's a big deal for an HDMI display tho
2014-06-21T20:09:50 < dongs> even when its 2mm away from teh tx???
2014-06-21T20:11:22 < emeb_mac> doesn't really have anything to do with distance / signal quality / etc.
2014-06-21T20:11:34 < emeb_mac> more driven by the PLL design.
2014-06-21T20:11:36 < dongs> oh ok
2014-06-21T20:12:19 < emeb_mac> just that the signal distortion introduced by PLL jitter is pretty low
2014-06-21T20:12:34 < emeb_mac> only "golden ear" folks will care.
2014-06-21T20:12:55 < emeb_mac> and probably no one actually notices. they just imagine it. :P
2014-06-21T20:13:08 < dongs> the guys who bought TWO $5000 ethernet cables, when they only needed one
2014-06-21T20:13:46 < emeb_mac> right
2014-06-21T20:14:12 < emeb_mac> lol @ the comment in that thread who thinks digital PLL is better than analog.
2014-06-21T20:14:55 < dongs> wider soundstage guaranteed
2014-06-21T20:15:02 < emeb_mac> digital / analog implementation doesn't matter. if done right either can be good
2014-06-21T20:15:20 < gnomad> Admit it, you're just jealous you can't sell ethernet cables for $5000.
2014-06-21T20:15:41 < emeb_mac> uh, yeah.
2014-06-21T20:15:57 < emeb_mac> and I wish I was a used-car salesman too...
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2014-06-21T20:17:31 < dongs> http://www.tjaekel.com/T-DAC/ fuck yes
2014-06-21T20:17:52 < dongs> State-of-the-art components on small footprint PCB, fits directly with Raspberry Pi
2014-06-21T20:21:11 < dongs> emeb_mac: http://www.hifiberry.com/dac amaze
2014-06-21T20:21:47 < emeb_mac> ya - seen that. hilarious
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2014-06-21T20:52:34 < gxti> at least the price isn't completely ludicrous
2014-06-21T20:57:31 < Steffanx> but rpi so....
2014-06-21T20:57:36 < gxti> the price list on the t-dac is loltacular, separate options for unpopulated, partly populated, fully populated but untested, partly tested, fully tested, and then with various overpriced accessories
2014-06-21T20:57:57 < gxti> how cheap do you have to be to charge extra to make sure your crap works
2014-06-21T20:58:13 < gxti> and even then it says "all without warranty"
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2014-06-22T00:18:00 < aadamson> Any diptracers here ?
2014-06-22T00:20:10 < Thorn> yes
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2014-06-22T00:23:24 < pun84>   HAL_UART_Init(&huart); "undefined reference to `HAL_UART_Init'" .... the function seems to be declared.. i dont understand :/ this was init code generated by stm32cubemx
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2014-06-22T01:32:08 < aadamson> Thorn__, thanks for the response, for now, I'm good with what I'm trying to do (not sure the board house will be however :)
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2014-06-22T05:02:34 < zyp> dongs, so, about that money I still owe you
2014-06-22T05:10:49 < zyp> people still haven't paid me for this shit, so I'll just have to pay it out of my own pocket for now, how much do I owe you?
2014-06-22T05:12:29 < pun84> $150,000
2014-06-22T05:20:51 < dongs> zyp, or you can just wait until people pay you :)
2014-06-22T05:21:02 < dongs> i havent paid the company for headers either.
2014-06-22T05:21:22 < zyp> ok, if you're fine with that I don't mind
2014-06-22T05:24:19 < zyp> also, I'm thinking about doing another arcin batch soon
2014-06-22T05:30:56 < zyp> I mean, I'd probably like to do it now so it's ready when I get home from vacation
2014-06-22T05:43:37 < pun84> I finally got openocd+eclipse to work together nicely.. but can't view memory in debug mode within eclipse? breakpoints/registers seem to show/work fine
2014-06-22T05:44:34 < Thorn> set memory-inaccessible by-default off or something like that
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2014-06-22T05:45:35 < pun84> thanks
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2014-06-22T06:34:10 < emeb_mac> well, got a board with STM32F427 + 16MB SDRAM working. Seems pretty foolproof
2014-06-22T06:42:28 < Rickta59> does that have a ram controller?
2014-06-22T06:43:04 < dongs> thats why hes doing it
2014-06-22T06:43:15 < Rickta59> * didn't know if he rolled his own
2014-06-22T06:43:37 < GargantuaSauce> bitbanged dram
2014-06-22T06:43:42 < zyp> isn't the SDRAM-capable FMC only available in F429?
2014-06-22T06:43:49 < zyp> or entire F42x?
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2014-06-22T06:48:20 < dongs> < GargantuaSauce> bitbanged dram
2014-06-22T06:48:23 < dongs> on avr
2014-06-22T06:48:35 < dongs> running arm emulator and lunix
2014-06-22T06:48:46 < GargantuaSauce> sounds innovative
2014-06-22T06:49:15 < GargantuaSauce> yes i've seen it dont bother googling
2014-06-22T06:49:46 < dongs> wasnt about to :)
2014-06-22T06:49:51 < dongs> im sure i pasted it in here more than once
2014-06-22T06:55:45 < emeb_mac> zyp: FMC on F427 does SDRAM just fine
2014-06-22T06:55:58 < dongs> what are you innovating with SDRAM
2014-06-22T06:56:00 < emeb_mac> note - it's an "FMC" not "FSMC"
2014-06-22T06:56:03 < dongs> gonna run lunix on it?
2014-06-22T06:56:11 < emeb_mac> dongs: nah
2014-06-22T06:56:17 < dongs> looping audio samplez???
2014-06-22T06:56:20 < emeb_mac> bare metal DSP for audio stuff
2014-06-22T06:56:24 < dongs> figures
2014-06-22T06:56:46 < emeb_mac> :)
2014-06-22T06:57:54 < emeb_mac> was stupid and hooked up the OTG_HS instead of OTG_FS :P
2014-06-22T06:58:09 < emeb_mac> so it won't do USB DFU bootloader.
2014-06-22T06:58:24 < dongs> bl;ame geda
2014-06-22T06:58:39 < emeb_mac> nope - DipTrace for this one
2014-06-22T06:58:47 < emeb_mac> paying work - needs pro tools
2014-06-22T07:00:47 < dongs> haha
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2014-06-22T10:33:49 < Thorn> dicktrace: endorsed by 4 out of 5 Pro IRC EEs
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2014-06-22T12:05:29 < Thorn> dongs: multirotor pizza delivery http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi33fm-lJqI
2014-06-22T12:07:00 < dongs> older than shit
2014-06-22T12:08:13 < dongs> fuck man my dicknplace is SLOW AS BALLS
2014-06-22T12:26:31 < zyp> dongs, your boards just have too many parts, 9 should be enough!
2014-06-22T12:29:43 < dongs> tru
2014-06-22T12:30:31 < dongs> even ancient samsung garbage @ kr was faster
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2014-06-22T13:20:39 < Thorn> better video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QmsxGEd5fU
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2014-06-22T15:13:37 < dongs> some asshole edited spdif article and sprinkled it with audiophool talk
2014-06-22T15:13:42 < dongs> in wikipedo
2014-06-22T15:15:23 < Thorn> revert it to the last good revision
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2014-06-22T17:37:46 < dongs> TLP181GR-TPLF  TOS  13+  20K  US0.09  STK optoisolate fucking EVERYTHING
2014-06-22T17:38:57 < dongs> oh waht the fuck
2014-06-22T17:39:04 < dongs> atmel serial flash got bought out by adesto?
2014-06-22T17:39:08 < dongs> apparently 2 years ago
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2014-06-22T18:03:14 < scrts> time to switch to winbond or spansion?
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2014-06-22T18:16:24 < madist> isn't winbond gone ? replaced by nuvoton
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2014-06-22T18:30:54 < scrts> numonyx is also under Micron?
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2014-06-22T18:32:22 < scrts> take a look here also: http://www.issi.com/US/product-flash.shtml#jump1
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2014-06-22T23:36:10 < newsuer> Which toolchain do you most guys use?
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2014-06-23T02:59:16 < upgrdman> newsuer: what os and stm32?
2014-06-23T03:03:05 < newsuer> windows and f3, f4
2014-06-23T03:04:31 < upgrdman> :( i use linux and mostly the f0.
2014-06-23T03:04:55 < upgrdman> you could probably google it. a lot of non-pro people seem to use eclipse in windows for stm32 dev
2014-06-23T03:09:05 < newsuer> In linux what do you use?
2014-06-23T03:12:29 < upgrdman> i use gcc-arm-embedded and a makefile
2014-06-23T03:12:50 < upgrdman> my notes are here: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-06-14_Complete_STM32F0_Development_Environment/
2014-06-23T03:12:52 < newsuer> Is it a special version of gcc?
2014-06-23T03:13:12 < upgrdman> ya. the arm people maintain a branch of gcc
2014-06-23T03:14:14 < newsuer> I see. Thanks
2014-06-23T03:14:27 < newsuer> I might make a jump to linux
2014-06-23T03:20:27 < emeb> attn dongs: http://i.imgur.com/akSKqjT.jpg
2014-06-23T03:38:45 < zyp> heh
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2014-06-23T04:09:43 < newsuer> Is there any documentation on how to write the startup code?
2014-06-23T04:11:05 < zyp> why do you want to write your own startup code without knowing how to do it just from the architecture documentation?
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2014-06-23T04:28:10 < newsuer> Because I want to know how to write one from scratch
2014-06-23T04:28:55 < newsuer> What do I need to know?
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2014-06-23T04:29:36 < zyp> the architecture documentation tells you what state the hardware is in out of reset and what the hardware does
2014-06-23T04:32:20 < newsuer> What does the startup code basically do? Initialise the hardware registers?
2014-06-23T04:35:44 < zyp> no
2014-06-23T04:36:35 < zyp> the startup code does what is necessary to set up the environment for executing code
2014-06-23T04:37:11 < zyp> on cortex-m this consists of initializing the ram segments and calling initializers if you have any
2014-06-23T04:38:01 < zyp> the .data segment contains initialized data and must be copied from an initial buffer stored in flash, and the .data segment contains zero-initialized data and must thus be cleared
2014-06-23T04:38:35 < newsuer> I see
2014-06-23T04:38:47 < newsuer> Where can I learn more about it?
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2014-06-23T04:39:09 < zyp> normally you also have to set up the stack pointer register and a couple of other lowlevel things like that, but on cortex-m this is done for you by hardware before the reset vector is executed
2014-06-23T04:39:51 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/startup/entry.cpp <- here's my startup code
2014-06-23T04:40:41 < zyp> the various start/end symbols comes from the linker script
2014-06-23T04:41:18 < zyp> the linker script, startup code and vector table is all tied together
2014-06-23T04:43:26 < newsuer> In what language is the linker script?
2014-06-23T04:44:10 < zyp> linker script language
2014-06-23T04:44:32 < zyp> http://sourceware.org/binutils/docs/ld/Scripts.html
2014-06-23T04:49:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9-OWfS2Vy4 retweeting
2014-06-23T04:52:23 < zyp> haha
2014-06-23T05:01:17 < dongs> k back to dicknplacing
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2014-06-23T06:12:56 < dongs> omg china has LM49450
2014-06-23T06:12:57 < dongs> 5bux tho
2014-06-23T06:13:21 < zyp> china, now cloning prices
2014-06-23T06:15:43 < dongs> and WM8804, cool
2014-06-23T06:18:36 < dongs> well, you cant clone high quality american chips
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2014-06-23T06:20:48 < madist> Wolfson is irish.
2014-06-23T06:20:54 < madist> or scottish.
2014-06-23T06:21:22 < dongs> wolfson part is dirt cheap
2014-06-23T06:21:26 < dongs> so its ok
2014-06-23T06:21:33 < dongs> i was talkin about cloning $5 LM49450
2014-06-23T06:38:19 < upgrdman> looks legit  http://i.imgur.com/06vIWYQ.jpg
2014-06-23T06:38:38 < zyp> :D
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2014-06-23T07:54:35 < dongs> loo
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2014-06-23T08:50:08 < dongs> hm
2014-06-23T08:50:14 < dongs> i saw a metcal soldering station at kr office
2014-06-23T08:50:17 < dongs> that shit was fucking pro
2014-06-23T08:50:24 < dongs> tip heated up in like 5 seconds
2014-06-23T08:50:25 < dongs> wtf
2014-06-23T08:54:44 < jpa-> yeah, it's nice :)
2014-06-23T08:55:20 < jpa-> they are not very expensive anymore either, IIRC you can get one for less than 500 EUR
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2014-06-23T09:30:51 < dongs> Hi guys, first time here at freenode... Looks good! Does anyone of you guys know of a cheap pcb manufacturer that could presolder a specific part, for example a smd mcu, already on the pcb and the other bigger parts would be left for me to solder on the board..
2014-06-23T09:31:34 < jpa-> ask dongs, he does shit like that
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2014-06-23T09:32:36 < Thorn> loldongs@foxconn.jp
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2014-06-23T10:21:23 < dongs> emeb_mac: did you hear the good news?? china has that TI dac+amp
2014-06-23T10:21:40 < emeb_mac> sweet!
2014-06-23T10:21:43 < emeb_mac> good price?
2014-06-23T10:21:45 < dongs> and wm8804
2014-06-23T10:21:50 < dongs> well,5 bux for samples
2014-06-23T10:21:52 < dongs> cant be abd
2014-06-23T10:22:02 < emeb_mac> better than DK
2014-06-23T10:22:10 < dongs> yep
2014-06-23T10:22:22 < dongs> if this dumb proj ever goes to produciton it should be a bit c heaper
2014-06-23T10:22:33 < dongs> I just bought 1500 stm32, wheeee
2014-06-23T10:23:03 < dongs> at pcb place last week i stole some stm32 from another customer's tray
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2014-06-23T10:23:37 < emeb_mac> heh
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2014-06-23T13:20:38 < Thorn> n this exercise you will implement your own Kalman filter to correct noisy sensor measurements. The output of the Kalman filter will be fed into a PD controller to guide the quadrotor along a square trajectory.
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2014-06-23T14:36:37 < Steffanx> what kind of fancy exercise is that Thorn ?
2014-06-23T14:37:47 < Thorn> >In this exercise you will extend last week's Kalman filter to the nonlinear case, which is then called an Extended Kalman Filter (EKF).
2014-06-23T14:38:25 < Steffanx> i meant, what course is that part of?
2014-06-23T14:39:13 < Thorn> was looking for the link, here it is: https://www.edx.org/course/tumx/tumx-autonavx-autonomous-navigation-1658#.U6gRibFs6r8
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2014-06-23T15:54:06 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/23/tubingen_incident/
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2014-06-23T16:10:27 < dongs> hmm
2014-06-23T16:10:31 < dongs> this guy has altium screenshots
2014-06-23T16:10:33 < dongs> with colored nets
2014-06-23T16:10:38 < dongs> http://www.fedevel.com/welldoneblog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/ddr3-memory-fanout-from-cpu.jpg
2014-06-23T16:15:37 < dongs> Looking for an easy way to simplify prototyping your next graphical display embedded application?
2014-06-23T16:15:55 < dongs> The NHD-3.5-320240MF-PIC Eval Board provides the user with our 3.5" resistive touch TFT and an interface board. Using Microchip's AC164144 LCC Graphics PICtail. Plus Daughter Board, and optional PIC32 I/O Expansion Board, the NHD-3.5-320240MF-PIC Eval Board can be used with PIC32 Starter Kits.
2014-06-23T16:16:03 < dongs> lol pic32
2014-06-23T16:16:03 < dongs> fucking worthless
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2014-06-23T16:37:57 < Steffanx> zyp isn't around is he?
2014-06-23T16:38:02 < Steffanx> he was in jappyland not?
2014-06-23T16:39:37 < zyp> spoiler: they have internet here
2014-06-23T16:39:51 < zyp> good timing, just got back to the room
2014-06-23T16:39:52 < Steffanx> oh
2014-06-23T16:40:10 < dongs> how is that dude coloring altium nets :(
2014-06-23T16:40:26 < zyp> I've also done that
2014-06-23T16:40:39 < dongs> how
2014-06-23T16:40:43 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/hGN0t.png
2014-06-23T16:40:49 < zyp> uh, somewhere
2014-06-23T16:40:52 < dongs> ????
2014-06-23T16:40:59 < dongs> all i can find is connection color
2014-06-23T16:41:10 < dongs> which colors the thin shitt line
2014-06-23T16:41:22 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ISnRs.png
2014-06-23T16:41:32 < dongs> wtfff
2014-06-23T16:41:50 < dongs> howwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
2014-06-23T16:41:53 < gxti> loldongs
2014-06-23T16:41:59 < zyp> well, the thin lines also get colored
2014-06-23T16:42:06 < dongs> yes, thin lines are colored
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2014-06-23T16:42:11 < dongs> but rest of shit is same fucking layer color
2014-06-23T16:42:22 < zyp> ah, I think you might have to set the pattern
2014-06-23T16:42:24 < dongs> is there a pref to priority net color by connection line or something?
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2014-06-23T16:42:29 < zyp> for mixing with layer color
2014-06-23T16:42:47 < zyp> you can do all either or crosshatch or whatever
2014-06-23T16:42:54 < dongs> yeah i see crosshatch
2014-06-23T16:42:56 < dongs> wheere is taht shit
2014-06-23T16:43:20 < zyp> and then there's a global toggle for net colors too, so it's easy to switch off
2014-06-23T16:43:25 < zyp> on some hotkey
2014-06-23T16:43:47 < dongs> if I do net class select override on
2014-06-23T16:43:48 < dongs> i see hatch
2014-06-23T16:43:53 < dongs> in the conection color
2014-06-23T16:43:59 < dongs> so i tihnk im getting close, but no idea how to turn that off
2014-06-23T16:44:21 < zyp> I don't have altium here, and I don't remember exactly what I did
2014-06-23T16:44:29 < dongs> http://pcbpinoy.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/altium-designer-10-color-multiple-nets-by-batch/ learning from PiNoYz
2014-06-23T16:44:40 < dongs> (this doesnt work)
2014-06-23T16:45:05 < dongs> If you haven.t turned on the Net Color Override, the nets will not have the color you selected. In this case, press toggle the View » Net Color Override Active option or use the F5 key to enable this setting globally (for all the nets). Now you are ready to fanout the DDR3 interface of the CPU.
2014-06-23T16:45:55 < dongs> k that shit does same hatch
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2014-06-23T16:45:58 < dongs> this must be new in 10+
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2014-06-23T16:47:15 < zyp> dongs, so what's the problem?
2014-06-23T16:47:20 < dongs> the hatching
2014-06-23T16:47:26 < dongs> F5 works
2014-06-23T16:47:28 < zyp> as I said, it's selectable
2014-06-23T16:47:36 < dongs> any clue where?
2014-06-23T16:47:49 < dongs> is it global pref or project pref
2014-06-23T16:47:51 < zyp> hmm, check global editor options
2014-06-23T16:47:55 < zyp> I think it's global
2014-06-23T16:48:22 < zyp> also, I think I used the hatching, it just disappears when you zoom out
2014-06-23T16:49:49 < dongs> well it "disappears" because its zoomed the fuck out enough and it blends
2014-06-23T16:49:53 < dongs> in his screenshot its definitely solid tho
2014-06-23T16:50:11 < dongs> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/ElhoCnex4krEep0kdfmJVCIaFAKR-BDlK2I20M31RYzkT7uImt-FGBw0NCgS2DFFo7mxsEvyVl_o1AeaxIxS_VjxW3_5yGVnnFFM-0LNVWXVyuYWp6spv_jFuoJwwA or hmm..
2014-06-23T16:51:45 < zyp> yeah, I believe there were a solid pattern too
2014-06-23T16:51:52 < zyp> and some dumb star shapes and whatever
2014-06-23T16:52:15 < dongs> OH
2014-06-23T16:52:20 < dongs> board insight layet override
2014-06-23T16:53:10 < dongs> well, dumb..
2014-06-23T16:53:17 < dongs> it just kills everything, including mask/etc
2014-06-23T16:53:21 < dongs> just fills it with "new' color
2014-06-23T16:53:25 < dongs> fucking.
2014-06-23T16:53:45 < dongs> k better in transparent mode
2014-06-23T16:53:49 < dongs> at least  has solid/color
2014-06-23T16:56:12 < dongs> hm and i somehow managed to lose rounded trace choice when doing shift-space
2014-06-23T16:58:44 < dongs> http://www.jedec.org/standards-documents/focus/memory-module-designs-dimms/DDR3/240-pin%20Unbuffered%20DIMMs sweet
2014-06-23T16:58:50 < dongs> ready2clone
2014-06-23T16:59:10 < dongs> why buy expensive memory, just have the shit made @ seeedstudio
2014-06-23T16:59:43 < zyp> heh
2014-06-23T17:00:14 < zyp> I think you'll have a hard time competing with volume production
2014-06-23T17:00:23 < dongs> clearly, im trolling
2014-06-23T17:00:32 < dongs> but thats a typical MAKE:R mindset
2014-06-23T17:00:43 < zyp> nah
2014-06-23T17:01:23 < zyp> that mindset is more like «we don't need all this resources, so let's just spend a ton of effort on making some useless shit instead and call it a replacement»
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2014-06-23T17:05:45 < dongs> thats how raspberrypi was created
2014-06-23T17:05:59 < zyp> yep
2014-06-23T17:08:26 < dongs> aww yea
2014-06-23T17:08:31 < dongs> with net color stuff shit is much better
2014-06-23T17:08:35 < dongs> feels more like dicktrace
2014-06-23T17:08:42 < dongs> instead of tryingto figure out which layer of shit im looking at
2014-06-23T17:09:27 < zyp> I liked the hatching, being able to tell both layer and net at the same time is nice
2014-06-23T17:09:54 < dongs> ya well maybe its just cuz the layer is this obnoxious fucking red color
2014-06-23T17:10:01 < dongs> (yes i know i can c hange that)
2014-06-23T17:12:05 < scrts_w> hmm, different colors for different nets?
2014-06-23T17:12:38 < dongs> yes
2014-06-23T17:12:55 < zyp> is nice
2014-06-23T17:13:05 < zyp> for power nets at least
2014-06-23T17:13:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VaaYqpq.png
2014-06-23T17:13:47 < zyp> more display trolling?
2014-06-23T17:14:07 < dongs> yeah, too lazy to finish routing this
2014-06-23T17:14:23 < dongs> more like, too lazy to even start
2014-06-23T17:15:07 < scrts_w> well, if it's not the same color as other nets, then it's nice
2014-06-23T17:15:24 < dongs> scrts_w: you can assign per net class
2014-06-23T17:15:29 < dongs> which you add from pcb
2014-06-23T17:16:14 < dongs> then right click class, display override on, (or press F5, apparently), and if you want to change that hatch shit, its in global pcb>board insight color overrides
2014-06-23T17:16:48 < dongs> k enough innovation for today,, i gotta foxconn more trash tomrorow :( sleepytime
2014-06-23T17:17:59 < scrts_w> dream dicks. bye bye
2014-06-23T17:18:00 < scrts_w> :)))
2014-06-23T17:18:05 < scrts_w> anyway, thanks
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2014-06-23T18:55:51 < Evidlo> I'm trying to use one of the libopencm3 examples, but I keep getting SIGTRAP when I run it. http://paste.fedoraproject.org/112252/14035387
2014-06-23T18:56:15 < Evidlo> I read that that signals a breakpoint, but I don't see any raise(SIGTRAP) in there.
2014-06-23T18:57:08 < zyp> what's your debugger hardware?
2014-06-23T18:58:01 < zyp> st-link with openocd?
2014-06-23T18:58:40 < Evidlo> zyp: st-link v2 using st-util and gdb
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2014-06-23T19:10:33 < PaulFertser> OpenOCD just works.
2014-06-23T19:11:46 < Evidlo> How much work will it be to switch?
2014-06-23T19:11:59 < synic> with st-link v2, super easy
2014-06-23T19:12:02 < Evidlo> miniblink.c is working for me right now
2014-06-23T19:12:34 < Evidlo> Can I still have debugging and step through code?
2014-06-23T19:12:43 < synic> yessir
2014-06-23T19:12:56 < synic> what chip are you using?
2014-06-23T19:13:03 < Evidlo> stm32f407
2014-06-23T19:13:33 < synic> do you have the actual st-link or a discovery board or something?
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2014-06-23T19:14:25 < Evidlo> It's a homebuilt board
2014-06-23T19:15:15 < synic> I mean the programmer
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2014-06-23T19:15:34 < Evidlo> It's a real ST-LINK V2
2014-06-23T19:16:14 < Evidlo> Can discovery boards act as fake stlinks?
2014-06-23T19:16:22 < synic> pretty sure for that, you just need to install openocd and run openocd -c board/stm32f0discovery.cfg
2014-06-23T19:16:30 < synic> and then in gdb, tar ext :4444
2014-06-23T19:16:53 < synic> yes, discovery boards have their own stlink, and you can configure it with jumpers to work with external chips
2014-06-23T19:17:43 < Evidlo> So you think my problem right now is with st-util?
2014-06-23T19:18:24 < synic> I dunno about everyone else, but I couldn't ever get st-util to work smoothly.  Sometimes it would work
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2014-06-23T19:20:03 < Evidlo> I guess I'll try it then
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2014-06-23T19:34:09 < PaulFertser> synic: why f0discovery for an stm32f407 chip? :-O
2014-06-23T19:34:30 < Evidlo> I'm using stm32f4discovery.cfg
2014-06-23T19:34:41 < Evidlo> Is openocd supposed to exit immediately?
2014-06-23T19:34:44 < PaulFertser> Evidlo: just grab openocd 0.8.0, run openocd -f interface/stlinkv2.cfg -f target/stm32f4x.cfg
2014-06-23T19:34:47 < PaulFertser> No
2014-06-23T19:34:54 < PaulFertser> It runs and stays as a server.
2014-06-23T19:34:59 < Evidlo> backgrounded?
2014-06-23T19:35:07 < PaulFertser> No
2014-06-23T19:35:25 < synic> whoops.  I use that config with success for an st-link v2 and f0 chips.
2014-06-23T19:35:36 < synic> I still haven't tried any of the f4 stuff
2014-06-23T19:42:29 < PaulFertser> synic: but your gdb command is correct, that's nice :)
2014-06-23T19:42:42 < PaulFertser> Evidlo: so, does it work now?
2014-06-23T19:44:54 < Evidlo> Is it necessary to install it?  I'm getting file location issues running it inside the make folder
2014-06-23T19:45:50 < Evidlo> whatever I'll just make install
2014-06-23T19:46:02 < PaulFertser> Evidlo: I recommend installing, yes, but you can run it from src too but with -s /path/to/tcl/
2014-06-23T19:46:08 < PaulFertser> (tcl is in the root of the sources)
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2014-06-23T19:49:20 < Evidlo> I fixed it.  I needed to use stm32f4x_stlink.cfg.
2014-06-23T19:53:09 < Evidlo> Once I connect with gdb (using 'tar ext :4444'), openocd says that it accepted the connection, but gdb is saying it got an invalid reply
2014-06-23T19:56:24 < Evidlo> PaulFertser: what gdb version are you using
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2014-06-23T20:00:12 < PaulFertser> Evidlo: 7.5.1
2014-06-23T20:01:14 < PaulFertser> Evidlo: and you?
2014-06-23T20:01:31 < Steffanx> not 0.8.0 PaulFertser ?!
2014-06-23T20:01:38 < Steffanx> oh nevermind
2014-06-23T20:01:40 < Steffanx> gdb :P
2014-06-23T20:01:40 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: :)
2014-06-23T20:01:54 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: and yes, of course I'm using HEAD, not 0.8.0 ;)
2014-06-23T20:05:12 < Steffanx> :P
2014-06-23T20:07:15 < PaulFertser> And yes, probably the most disturbing change in 0.8.0 was that it now requires gdb with xml support for cortex-m targets, so older 0.6.x versions (including the one in Insight) no longer work.
2014-06-23T20:07:15 < Evidlo> PaulFertser: 7.6.0
2014-06-23T20:07:31 < PaulFertser> Evidlo: what exactly does it say?
2014-06-23T20:08:17 < PaulFertser> Evidlo: is it a multiarch gdb? Or arm-none-eabi-gdb from gcc-arm-embedded toolchain?
2014-06-23T20:08:26 < Evidlo> warning: Invalid remote reply: ?
2014-06-23T20:08:30 < Evidlo> arm-none-eabi-gdb
2014-06-23T20:08:45 < PaulFertser> Evidlo: "tar ext :3333"
2014-06-23T20:08:48 < PaulFertser> not 4444
2014-06-23T20:08:57 < PaulFertser> synic: :)
2014-06-23T20:09:59 < Evidlo> hey it works now
2014-06-23T20:11:28 < PaulFertser> Current HEAD version improves stability with stlink somewhat, i.e. it auto-reconnects properly if the link between stlink and the target was failing for whatever reason.
2014-06-23T20:11:45 < Evidlo> And I don't need to restart gdb every time any more
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2014-06-23T20:14:02 < PaulFertser> Evidlo: please feel free to join #openocd and report any issues you face with it there or via the SF.net ticket system. Also, reading the official Info manual is recommended.
2014-06-23T20:14:45 < Evidlo> PaulFertser: Sure, thanks
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2014-06-24T01:15:26 < aadamson> In my typical fashion :)... I have the TX/RX pins of USART1 attached to a gps
2014-06-24T01:15:49 < aadamson> These are backfeeding voltage to the GPS even when I have the uart/clock off
2014-06-24T01:15:58 < aadamson> how can I drive them low before I shut off everything?
2014-06-24T01:16:50 < Thorn> switch pin mode back to gpio, set them low
2014-06-24T01:17:14 < aadamson> will that screw anything up with the UART?
2014-06-24T01:17:41 < aadamson> so basically after I disable everything (Uart, DMA, IRQ, etc) switch to gpio, set low
2014-06-24T01:17:48 < aadamson> then reverse on wakeup
2014-06-24T01:17:49 < aadamson> ?
2014-06-24T01:18:02 < Thorn> you're turning off usart clock anyway?
2014-06-24T01:18:07 < aadamson> yes
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2014-06-24T01:19:44 < Thorn> not much to screw up then
2014-06-24T01:20:37 < aadamson> yeah... kinda a pita however as I'll have to setup the gpio for regular then back to AF for USART function.... I'll look into it and try it
2014-06-24T01:20:44 < aadamson> only thing I can think is doing it.
2014-06-24T01:21:16 < aadamson> only pins attached are VCC (on a fet so I can shut everything off - which is how I found the issue, it was still at about vcc/2 when the fet was off)
2014-06-24T01:21:40 < aadamson> then I stopped the code before the uart init and it was zero, after, it was back to vcc/2 so it's back feeding it appears...
2014-06-24T01:22:15 < aadamson> only pins are VCC, RX, TX and TIME_P on the gps,
2014-06-24T01:22:23 < aadamson> the later is configured as an input, so it's not the problem
2014-06-24T01:22:29 < aadamson> has to be the RX, Tx pins
2014-06-24T01:31:22 < emeb> anyone ever gotten the USB OTG HS core on an F4xx working with the embedded FS PHY?
2014-06-24T01:33:28 < Thorn> i think f4/f429-discovery use it for the otg interface?
2014-06-24T01:39:05 < emeb> That's what the schematic implies.
2014-06-24T01:39:21 < emeb> so the F429 examples should be useful...
2014-06-24T01:40:54 < Thorn> f429-disco demo implements both host and device mode iirc
2014-06-24T01:45:26 < emeb> Yes
2014-06-24T01:45:43 < emeb> Looking at the USB BSP file for the F429 - *Very* strange!
2014-06-24T01:46:36 < Thorn> usb code by ST has always been strange, even for a much simpler core (f1/f3)
2014-06-24T01:47:09 < Thorn> I think I found at least 2 deadlocks when I was playing with it
2014-06-24T01:47:35 < emeb> not super pro
2014-06-24T01:47:45 < emeb> but I'm seeing some even more odd stuff -
2014-06-24T01:48:17 < emeb> on the F405/7 pins PB12-15 are hooked to the internal PHY of the USB_HS core (#2)
2014-06-24T01:49:01 < emeb> but in the F429 BSP file when they enable the USB core, they configure pins PB12-15 and then enable the FS CORE (#1)
2014-06-24T01:49:31 < emeb> It's like the core connections are swapped around on the F429
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2014-06-24T01:58:33 < emeb> hmmm...
2014-06-24T01:58:55 < emeb> maybe the BSP code for enabling the FS core has the wrong GPIO code...
2014-06-24T01:59:32 < emeb> since it appears that the demo uses the HS core with the embedded PHY, the FS core code isn't used and may be bitrotted.
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2014-06-24T03:21:14 < emeb> OK - got it working.
2014-06-24T03:21:28 < emeb> Seems that the trick was getting the GPIO configuration "just so"
2014-06-24T03:21:51 < emeb> the HS embedded phy on the F42x needs things set up a bit differently.
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2014-06-24T03:34:10 < dongs> http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/spdif_transceivers/WM8804/
2014-06-24T03:34:15 < dongs> Page not found
2014-06-24T03:34:15 < dongs> No umbraco document matches the url '/products/spdif_transceivers/WM8804/'.
2014-06-24T03:34:16 < dongs> This page can be replaced with a custom 404. Check the documentation for "custom 404".
2014-06-24T03:34:20 < dongs> ?????????????????
2014-06-24T03:34:37 < dongs> no comprehendo
2014-06-24T03:35:19 < dongs> hey emeb
2014-06-24T03:35:25 < dongs> this shit  wants AC  coupled signal
2014-06-24T03:35:37 < dongs> but crap is outputting it as something, then buffers, tehn adds cap
2014-06-24T03:35:45 < emeb> dongs: huh?
2014-06-24T03:35:51 < emeb> what wants AC?
2014-06-24T03:35:56 < dongs> 8804
2014-06-24T03:36:01 < emeb> weird
2014-06-24T03:36:05 < dongs> there's a cap in line
2014-06-24T03:36:05 < emeb> checking...
2014-06-24T03:36:10 < dongs> and my reference schematic for spdif OUT
2014-06-24T03:36:22 < dongs> has a generic highspeed buffer + cap + R to ground
2014-06-24T03:40:06 < dongs> whgat should spdif output look like, is it just square wave?
2014-06-24T03:40:15 < emeb> pretty much
2014-06-24T03:40:25 < dongs> and they ac couple it to remove offset? center it around 0
2014-06-24T03:41:12 < emeb> Probably for the RCA-jack style of SPDIF
2014-06-24T03:41:18 < dongs> right
2014-06-24T03:41:58 < emeb> but for connection on-board you can probably eliminate the resistors/cap
2014-06-24T03:42:07 < emeb> just direct digital connection to the HDMI RX
2014-06-24T03:42:21 < emeb> wait...
2014-06-24T03:42:36 < emeb> the SPDIF input may have self-bias circuitry internal
2014-06-24T03:43:15 < emeb> so you'd want to have the cap there so you allow it to set its own threshold.
2014-06-24T03:43:21 < dongs> im trying to find specs on input
2014-06-24T03:43:24 < dongs> like what vpp/etc it wants
2014-06-24T03:43:30 < dongs> not in 8804 datashet unles sim missing something
2014-06-24T03:43:32 < dongs> im
2014-06-24T03:43:50 < dongs> JUST JITTER CHARACTERISTICS
2014-06-24T03:44:18 < dongs> wait, pin description says "digital in"
2014-06-24T03:44:58 < dongs> ok so maybe just leave cap there, dont bother with 75R to gnd, and just replace cap with 0R to see if shit still works
2014-06-24T03:46:03 < emeb> Yeah. Plus maybe put in a resistor divider in case the SPDIF input wants a lower amplitude signal.
2014-06-24T03:46:27 < emeb> do that on the other side of the cap from the RX input pin...
2014-06-24T03:47:05 < emeb> basically the same ckt as on the TX output, but with the HDMI chip driving R5 and the cap hooked to the RX input.
2014-06-24T03:47:44 < dongs> right
2014-06-24T03:47:53 < dongs> thats what i had in spdif out part of hdmi chip
2014-06-24T03:48:25 < dongs> hm except they had cap before the divider
2014-06-24T03:48:59 < Lux> dongs: the voltage levels are defined by the standard it seems: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=S/PDIF#Hardware_specifications
2014-06-24T03:49:54 < dongs> well yea but
2014-06-24T03:50:03 < dongs> thats different from what a partricular IC would expect
2014-06-24T03:50:07 < dongs> and/or capable of
2014-06-24T03:51:22 < dongs> hdmi rx specifically mentions that it outputs lvttl and needs a buffer + cap + divider to 'voltage down shift to specific spdif signal'
2014-06-24T03:51:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/nkIzma1.png
2014-06-24T03:52:38 < dongs> hgm that drops it down to 0.6V
2014-06-24T03:52:43 < Lux> yeah that'll make it comply to the specs
2014-06-24T03:52:55 < dongs> so -0.3 pp after cap
2014-06-24T03:53:15 < dongs> wait no, still 0.6
2014-06-24T03:53:17 < dongs> so its correct
2014-06-24T03:53:55 < dongs> i guess buffer is tehre cuz the pin sucks driving into such high R load
2014-06-24T03:54:28 < Lux> for sure
2014-06-24T03:54:44 < dongs> but i duno if all that is needed for a onboard connection
2014-06-24T03:55:00 < dongs> if the fucking wolfsondong datasheet just said waht rx0 expects, then all would be good
2014-06-24T03:56:36 < Lux> probably it would still work with higher resistance values and a cap
2014-06-24T03:57:45 < Lux> the low resistance values are just there to have a 75ohm impedance matching for the cables used
2014-06-24T03:57:48 < dongs> rigth
2014-06-24T04:07:21 < emeb> +1
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2014-06-24T04:43:08 < dongs> http://www.jitter.de/english/soundfr.html yesss
2014-06-24T04:48:09 < GargantuaSauce> the jitter amplitude seems to be about 3 nanoseconds
2014-06-24T04:48:12 < GargantuaSauce> dat word salad
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2014-06-24T04:50:22 < dongs> Once heared, one can differentiate within the very first second if the reproduction is jittered or not. It is a totally different sound quality.
2014-06-24T04:50:25 < dongs> loool
2014-06-24T04:50:34 < zyp> heh
2014-06-24T04:50:36 < dongs> improved ease of listening
2014-06-24T04:50:36 < dongs> increased clarity
2014-06-24T04:50:36 < dongs> improved high frequency response
2014-06-24T04:50:36 < dongs> better instrument separation
2014-06-24T04:50:36 < dongs> more information
2014-06-24T04:50:39 < dongs> better timing
2014-06-24T04:50:41 < dongs> better soundstage
2014-06-24T04:50:44 < dongs> improved overall audio performance
2014-06-24T04:51:49 < dongs> widen dat soundstage
2014-06-24T05:01:14 < emeb_mac> what a load of it!
2014-06-24T05:06:16 < dongs> should I worry if my soundstage is just TOO WIDE
2014-06-24T05:08:27 < zyp> too wide to fit in your ears
2014-06-24T05:08:37 < GargantuaSauce> yes if it gets much too wide the sound takes too long to propagate from one side to the other
2014-06-24T05:08:41 < GargantuaSauce> so the players get out of sync
2014-06-24T05:08:48 < dongs> i was thinking some other places where it wouldnt fit
2014-06-24T05:09:04 < zyp> don't put it there then
2014-06-24T05:12:06 < GargantuaSauce> it would suck to be wearing really nice headphones and find yourself unable to walk through a doorway
2014-06-24T05:15:01 < dongs> majority of americans have this problem without needing headphones
2014-06-24T05:16:41 < dongs> http://www.jitter.de/Media/gifs/postkarte.jpg
2014-06-24T05:16:42 < dongs> wooooow
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2014-06-24T05:16:55 < dongs> jitter scrambling decorerllator
2014-06-24T05:18:02 < dongs> haha 650 eur
2014-06-24T05:18:06 < dongs> whats inside, some spdif reclocker?
2014-06-24T05:18:11 < dongs> $1 part
2014-06-24T05:18:36 < dongs> better troll would be, tehjres nothing inside
2014-06-24T05:18:43 < dongs> just a pcb with elaborate pattern of the spdif signal trace
2014-06-24T05:18:44 < dongs> going from in to out
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2014-06-24T05:26:56 < emeb_mac> run it through the same process as the Tice Clock & align those electrons
2014-06-24T05:29:10 < dongs> all this hifi chat is making me hot and jittery
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2014-06-24T06:30:37 < dongs>  too chgeap
2014-06-24T06:31:09 < dongs> here's whats TRENDING ON TWITTER
2014-06-24T06:34:33 < emeb_mac> check the tweets
2014-06-24T06:35:34 < emeb_mac> twitter... tweeting... ephemeral... fleeting... flugenweb spacecode twitzone assmode...
2014-06-24T06:39:37 < dongs> nobody gives a shit about whats on t witter
2014-06-24T06:39:42 < dongs> which is precisely WHY its on twitter
2014-06-24T06:39:48 < dongs> the place where nobody gives a shit
2014-06-24T06:40:26 < dongs> Twitter (NYSE: TWTR) Earnings Q4 2013: Twitter Finally Turns A Profit, But User Base Growth Is Slowing
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2014-06-24T08:05:08 < gnomad> nah, twitter is the place where everyone cares for five seconds
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2014-06-24T11:03:13 < onr> which one should i start with: f4 discovery or st nucleo f4?
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2014-06-24T11:12:36 < dongs> doenst that depend on what you want to do
2014-06-24T11:12:52 < zyp> yeah
2014-06-24T11:13:03 < zyp> what's the price difference? aren't either dirt cheap?
2014-06-24T11:13:34 < zyp> I believe the nucleo doesn't have a port for target usb
2014-06-24T11:13:43 < zyp> which is pretty shitty if you want to do anything with usb
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2014-06-24T11:14:20 < zyp> so unless you want to put shitty arduino shields on it, get the discovery
2014-06-24T11:19:31 < onr> what do you mean "port for target usb"?
2014-06-24T11:22:54 < onr> i want to get into developing for MCUs, someone recommended stm32
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2014-06-24T11:26:18 < dongs> "target usb" - on=chip USB controller.
2014-06-24T11:26:25 < dongs> so you could like, do usb device or host etc with it.
2014-06-24T11:26:39 < dongs> if you dont know wha youre doing then it doesnt matter which board you get.
2014-06-24T11:26:40 < onr> ah, i see
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2014-06-24T11:41:31 < Thorn> what is "developing for mcus"
2014-06-24T11:41:41 < Thorn> there is no appstore for microcontrollers
2014-06-24T11:42:39 < jpa-> sure there is, it is called kickstarter
2014-06-24T11:42:39 < GargantuaSauce> http://daisyworks.com/appstore.html
2014-06-24T11:43:35 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.tapitty.com/
2014-06-24T11:45:44 < GargantuaSauce> where is your god now?
2014-06-24T11:45:59 < onr> what's wrong with you?
2014-06-24T11:46:13 < zyp> haha
2014-06-24T11:46:20 < zyp> that's a good question :p
2014-06-24T11:46:26 < GargantuaSauce> this is a question worthy of ongoing study
2014-06-24T11:47:47 < PaulFertser> What's wrong with this channel?
2014-06-24T11:47:50 < zyp> onr, the problem is that your question is very generic
2014-06-24T11:47:50 < PaulFertser> What's wrong with the whole damn world?
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2014-06-24T11:48:30 < zyp> onr, we can't make any recommandations as to what hardware you should buy before you've even described what you want to make of it
2014-06-24T11:49:54 < zyp> the stm32 series have a bunch of families with different features, and then each of those again have multiple demoboards highlighting different features
2014-06-24T11:50:20 < zyp> so the right choice depends on what features in particular that you are looking for
2014-06-24T11:51:24 < zyp> if you aren't looking for any particular features, any board will fill your purpose of «developing for mcus»
2014-06-24T11:52:24 < onr> alright, i want to learn progressively, first goal is compiling and running C programs on stm32f4
2014-06-24T11:53:54 < zyp> anyway, it doesn't really matter
2014-06-24T11:54:03 < zyp> the boards are so cheap you can buy both
2014-06-24T11:54:09 < tkoskine> I find (ARM) boards with Arduino shield support better, since I can then reuse my old shields.
2014-06-24T11:54:22 < onr> sure, i still need to pick one even if i buy both
2014-06-24T11:54:38 < onr> hmm
2014-06-24T11:55:24 < tkoskine> And Nucleo F4 is kinda nice, stuff from mbed.org works on it after little tweaking -> much easier than using libopencm3 or cmsis api.
2014-06-24T11:55:56 < onr> yes, mbed thing is pretty much the reason i tend to like nucleo
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2014-06-24T11:58:34 < onr> they seem to aim making things beginner-friendly without being arduino/raspberrypi-alike
2014-06-24T12:00:15 < GargantuaSauce> i am of the opinion that it's very much in that vein
2014-06-24T12:01:41 < GargantuaSauce> but i am the sort of person that writes my own shitty drivers for anything
2014-06-24T12:01:43 < GargantuaSauce> ymmv
2014-06-24T12:01:55 < onr> i think this part contradicts with arduino mindset: http://mbed.org/production/
2014-06-24T12:02:56 < zyp> because the arduino mindset is that it's too useless to be used in production hardware?
2014-06-24T12:04:23 < onr> no, i'm under the impression that arduino wants you to keep buying their toys and shields
2014-06-24T12:04:32 < onr> instead of just prototyping and moving on
2014-06-24T12:05:46 < onr> though atmega would be in worse position if arduino didn't take off\
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2014-06-24T12:39:05 < jpa-> onr: how is that the arduino mindset? they provide schematics etc, all they lack is a page that says "hey you can actually make pcbs yourself also!" as if that wasn't obvious
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2014-06-24T13:09:16 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGG2DhRugY fuck yes
2014-06-24T13:15:29 < karlp> hehe
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2014-06-24T13:32:11 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/479172055779139584/D-GTC1UC.jpeg
2014-06-24T13:33:34 < Thorn> http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/charging-solution-delivery-drones-take-after-our-feathered-friends
2014-06-24T13:35:50 < onr> jpa-: first of all Arduino sell their own hardware, they want you to keep using their products. while mbed is ARM's effort to increase popularity of embedded ARM
2014-06-24T13:36:10 < onr> though i agree that Arduino is open source and more open than Raspberry Pi
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2014-06-24T13:38:47 < SlaveToTheSauce> personally my main concern is that "easy" and "with well-defined behaviour and timing" are usually mutually exclusive
2014-06-24T13:38:56 < SlaveToTheSauce> and in embedded systems you generally very much want the latter
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2014-06-24T13:43:02 < SlaveToTheSauce> or at least I do. evidently there's a lot of people who don't care
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2014-06-24T14:21:33 < Steffanx> Did i really miss the tarduino bashing?
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2014-06-24T14:25:35 < SlaveToTheSauce> think of it as an intermission
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2014-06-24T15:03:54 < dongs> blogomission
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2014-06-24T16:10:27 < madist> yay! the mcu core dialog works in the new STLink utility!
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2014-06-24T16:18:01 < Steffanx> screenies madist ?
2014-06-24T16:18:22 < madist> Steffanx: seriously ?
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2014-06-24T16:19:06 < Steffanx> oh, sorry i read: new mcu dialog
2014-06-24T16:19:17 < Steffanx> but in ##stm32 we need pics.
2014-06-24T16:19:37 < madist> Ok
2014-06-24T16:20:43 < madist> http://i.imgur.com/5hMIFxF.png
2014-06-24T16:22:09 < PaulFertser> Fuck, the whole imgur is unavailable from school I'm unfortunately in atm. Lucky children.
2014-06-24T16:22:53 < madist> imgur is 80% porn.
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2014-06-24T16:32:00 < karlp> madist: um, was that not working in the past?
2014-06-24T16:32:15 < madist> karlp: it didn't work when I tried it
2014-06-24T16:32:55 < madist> and the release notes says: Fix Core registers display in Core dialog box
2014-06-24T16:33:11 < madist> karlp: did it work for you ?
2014-06-24T16:33:25 < Steffanx> it did fork for me last time i checked
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2014-06-24T17:00:10 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/documents/application_note/AN11397.pdf interesting retweet, section 2.6
2014-06-24T17:02:52 < zyp> heh
2014-06-24T17:03:23 < dongs> every board with hdmi that 've seen here doesnt do that.
2014-06-24T17:03:30 < dongs> and all are 4-6 layers
2014-06-24T17:08:41 < Laurenceb_> http://www.intellasys.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=60&Itemid=75
2014-06-24T17:12:46 < dongs> isnt that old
2014-06-24T17:13:03 < dongs> that shit sounds even more retarded than propeller
2014-06-24T17:13:13 < dongs> if anything can even be more retarded than prop
2014-06-24T17:15:58 < karlp> intellsys is where the forth dude was, now he's making the same chips at greenarrays or something
2014-06-24T17:16:29 < dongs> nobody uses greenarrays either
2014-06-24T17:16:38 < dongs> heh, i actually saw a product with their load switches
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2014-06-24T17:16:44 < dongs> greenfet or greenload or somethign
2014-06-24T17:16:50 < dongs> surprised anyone actually used that stuff.
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2014-06-24T17:29:32 < emeb_mac> bitbang all the things!
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2014-06-24T17:49:35 < karlp> greenwhatsit was those somewhat programmable arrays or something, not sure what that had do with forth cpus?
2014-06-24T17:50:11 < Laurenceb_> what about fifth?
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2014-06-24T17:59:53 < Laurenceb_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l-GgKzfdxxA
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2014-06-24T18:36:20 < dongs> hah
2014-06-24T18:36:26 < dongs> that TI dac also has analog in, just for the amp part
2014-06-24T18:36:28 < dongs> didnt notice that
2014-06-24T18:37:00 < dongs> maybe i should hookup resistor+cap to it and connect to PWM pin
2014-06-24T18:37:05 < dongs> so I could do some amazeballs audio
2014-06-24T18:37:08 < dongs> with square wavez
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2014-06-24T18:38:05 < dongs> oh, emeb missed the bloggage
2014-06-24T18:38:20  * emeb reviews the log
2014-06-24T18:38:32 < dongs> noothing of value. just discovering stuff
2014-06-24T18:38:50 < emeb> loghost is slow...
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2014-06-24T18:40:44 < emeb> right - analog in to TI DAC/amp
2014-06-24T18:40:49 < dongs> http://www.dealzon.com/deals/cheap-asus-nexus-tablet#google-nexus-7-fhd-16gb
2014-06-24T18:40:50 < dongs> not bad
2014-06-24T18:41:30 < emeb> giant 'droid is giant
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2014-06-24T19:19:31 < dongs> hmm
2014-06-24T19:19:39 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/bq24735
2014-06-24T19:19:43 < dongs> this is  on surfacepro3
2014-06-24T19:19:48 < dongs> for lipo charger
2014-06-24T19:19:58 < dongs> 8A charge current!@
2014-06-24T19:20:41 < dongs> hmm, tehy dont balance charge?
2014-06-24T19:20:44 < dongs> just in series?
2014-06-24T19:24:15 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps62140.pdf nice part
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2014-06-24T19:28:35 < dongs> lack of that shitty diode makes me happy
2014-06-24T19:29:53 < jpa-> often the balancer is a separate chip
2014-06-24T19:31:17 < dongs> izzit? doesnt seem so here
2014-06-24T19:31:26 < dongs> from the refefnce schematic they just have the shit hooked up in series.
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2014-06-24T19:43:04 < jpa-> dongs: for example  http://www.ti.com/product/bq77910a/description  could probably be used with that one
2014-06-24T19:43:36 < jpa-> the balancer is typically in the battery pack and the charger in the device
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2014-06-25T01:06:49 < Laurenceb> is it possible to have multiple devices on one I2S bus?
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2014-06-25T01:13:01 < emeb> Sure
2014-06-25T01:13:11 < emeb> but I2S only supports two channels
2014-06-25T01:13:20 < emeb> (in any direction)
2014-06-25T01:13:21 < Laurenceb> hmm
2014-06-25T01:13:47 < Laurenceb> would it be possible to stick two mems mics onto one bus?
2014-06-25T01:14:07 < emeb> are the mems mics I2S or PDM?
2014-06-25T01:15:19 < emeb> if they're I2S it would depend on how they've implemented I2S - there's no inherent muxing of sources in I2S
2014-06-25T01:15:19 < Laurenceb> i dunno lol
2014-06-25T01:15:24 < Laurenceb> ok
2014-06-25T01:15:31 < Laurenceb> guess i need to read datasheets
2014-06-25T01:15:38 < emeb> got linky?
2014-06-25T01:15:57 < Laurenceb> no lol
2014-06-25T01:16:05 < Laurenceb> im just thinking about random stuff
2014-06-25T01:16:12 < emeb> there's a MEMs mic on the F407 Discovery board
2014-06-25T01:16:22 < emeb> it's got pulse-density modulation output
2014-06-25T01:16:26 < Laurenceb> how to make the biggest microphone array with stm32
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2014-06-25T01:18:58 < emeb> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/DM00025467.pdf
2014-06-25T01:19:11 < emeb> give it a clock, read the PDM data on the other pin
2014-06-25T01:20:17 < emeb> can be strapped for stereo - has L/R muxing built in
2014-06-25T01:20:59 < emeb> so if you have one clock signal and N GPIOs then you can read 2N microphones.
2014-06-25T01:21:23 < emeb> internally you have to convert the PDM signals to PCM data
2014-06-25T01:21:55 < Laurenceb> ah
2014-06-25T01:22:20 < Laurenceb> ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20060020679.pdf
2014-06-25T01:22:24 < Laurenceb> is what im interested in
2014-06-25T01:23:32 < emeb> lots of fun DSP there
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2014-06-25T02:04:18 < dongs> is pdm still tightly closedsores?
2014-06-25T02:04:28 < dongs> i remember the one on F4discso comes with a binary blob
2014-06-25T02:04:31 < dongs> to do the actual reading
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2014-06-25T02:07:25 < zyp> shouldn't be that hard to write yourself?
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2014-06-25T02:08:27 < dongs> i duno, it was closed sores for some reaseon
2014-06-25T02:08:30 < dongs> forgot why
2014-06-25T02:08:50 < dongs> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/DM00040808.pdf
2014-06-25T02:09:26 < dongs> The PDM audio software decoding library includes one header file pdm_filter.h and
2014-06-25T02:09:30 < dongs> binary/object codes for the following platforms:
2014-06-25T02:09:32 < dongs> . libPDMFilter_IAR.a : for IAR compiler
2014-06-25T02:09:35 < dongs> . libPDMFilter_Keil.lib : for ARM compiler
2014-06-25T02:09:37 < dongs> . libPDMFilter_GCC.a : for GNU compiler
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2014-06-25T02:39:49 < dongs> man LM49450 has been available since like 2008 and theres almost zero info on it online
2014-06-25T02:39:52 < dongs> wtf
2014-06-25T02:39:54 < dongs> who the fuck uses it
2014-06-25T02:39:57 < dongs> for TI to continue making it
2014-06-25T02:46:12 < Thorn> does ST pay SDA license fees for the SDIO core in stm32 so users don't have to?
2014-06-25T02:53:52 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com.au/product-detail/en/LM49450SQEVAL/LM49450SQEVAL-ND/1858287 hmm
2014-06-25T02:53:55 < dongs> this existed at some point
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2014-06-25T05:17:46 < dongs> TPS62140 is $1.45
2014-06-25T05:17:51 < dongs> not bad.
2014-06-25T05:18:21 < dongs> INTERNET OF DICSK
2014-06-25T05:18:25 < dongs> dicks :(
2014-06-25T05:21:24 < gxti> isn't that what you want?
2014-06-25T05:23:07 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251466587893 is this legit?
2014-06-25T05:23:15 < dongs> ble4.0 shit can do serial profile?
2014-06-25T05:23:27 < dongs> i thought it was only for shit like jewBeacon ro something
2014-06-25T05:31:04 < dongs> hmmm
2014-06-25T05:31:13 < dongs> BQ29209 looks ok
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2014-06-25T05:38:23 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/bq28400
2014-06-25T05:38:23 < dongs> haha
2014-06-25T05:38:27 < dongs> SHA1 authentication
2014-06-25T05:38:35 < dongs> cloned batteries??? no problem!!!
2014-06-25T05:43:22 < gxti> hardware people don't know much about software security, it's adorable
2014-06-25T05:44:32 < Thorn> software people think using arduino is fine. we're even.
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2014-06-25T06:12:00 < dongs> ugh
2014-06-25T06:12:05 < dongs> stupid fucking (SECURED) pdfs
2014-06-25T06:12:09 < dongs> that i cant copypaste from
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2014-06-25T06:21:46 < aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/DSCN2447.JPG - rev2 board porn :)
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2014-06-25T06:28:58 < dongs> how did you amnage to fuckup a bluewire on rev2
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2014-06-25T06:43:35 < englishman> dongs they are easy as shit to unlock
2014-06-25T06:44:21 < aadamson> dongs, long story, but I miss aligned the RTC pins, caught before I ordered any more boards, but yep, I had a one pin problem
2014-06-25T06:44:44 < aadamson> englishman, hope you saw my note in the other channel about why I missed you... indeed sorry, but I had my hands full that weekend
2014-06-25T06:45:07 < englishman> yep :(
2014-06-25T06:45:10 < englishman> sorry to hear
2014-06-25T06:45:13 < englishman> thats ok tho
2014-06-25T06:45:18 < englishman> we had lots of fun without you
2014-06-25T06:45:22 < aadamson> they will survive... yeah I heard :(
2014-06-25T06:45:32 < aadamson> when you going to EU?
2014-06-25T06:45:35 < englishman> 7th
2014-06-25T06:45:40 < aadamson> taking the wife?
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2014-06-25T06:48:09 < dongs> englishman: i know. i have apdfpr or wahever for it. point is, it sfucking dumbv
2014-06-25T06:48:24 < dongs> i actually ned it copyable so i can export pin table to excel and copypaste into component designer in altium
2014-06-25T06:48:27 < dongs> CUZ YOU KNOW TO SAVE TIME
2014-06-25T06:48:36 < dongs> why the fuck would any company make thier PUBLIC datasheet noncopyable
2014-06-25T06:48:39 < dongs> the mind fucking boggles
2014-06-25T06:48:49 < dongs> i can understand some top sekret shit but evne then
2014-06-25T06:49:15 < englishman> aadamson: she's joining me in gdynia for redbull air race halfway through :)
2014-06-25T06:49:39 < aadamson> Oh, now way, that's on my bucket list... wish they would do them here, but seems FAA doesn't like them :)
2014-06-25T06:49:52 < aadamson> have fun, be safe and don't -... and heck DO!!!
2014-06-25T06:50:17 < englishman> they were in NY no?
2014-06-25T06:50:33 < englishman> openLRSng world conference in Prague, dont forget :)
2014-06-25T06:51:00 < aadamson> I don't think NY, they did one in San Fran, but that was the only one and I think only one time
2014-06-25T06:51:15 < aadamson> hehe... awesome on the OLRSNGNGNGNG NFG!!!
2014-06-25T06:51:25 < englishman> yeah some friends drove down to NY one
2014-06-25T06:51:27 < aadamson> or is that NFingG
2014-06-25T06:58:09 < dongs> nice
2014-06-25T06:58:12 < dongs> TIJapan replied me in 2 hours
2014-06-25T06:58:19 < dongs> with 49450 reference design + appnotes
2014-06-25T06:59:15 < dongs> hmm
2014-06-25T06:59:19 < dongs> they also suggested i use http://www.ti.com/product/TLV320DAC3101/description instead
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2014-06-25T07:06:03 < dongs> but fuck that, its not available, and requires 1.8Vcore
2014-06-25T07:06:21 < dongs> and no headphone sense
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2014-06-25T07:12:09 < dongs> ohh PROGRAMMABLE DIGITAL SINE GENERATOR
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2014-06-25T07:20:37 < dongs> hah
2014-06-25T07:20:41 < dongs> evalboard schematic is from 2007
2014-06-25T07:56:22 < Thorn> http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2014/05/29/rafal_milach_photographs_winners_of_strange_contests_in_belarus_in_his_book.html
2014-06-25T08:08:21 < madist> what is the word for the coin in a red envelope that Singaporeans give on special occasions ?
2014-06-25T08:08:36 < englishman> bribes
2014-06-25T08:10:05 < madist> its just one coin. I hope they don't think I'm so easily bribed :/
2014-06-25T08:17:37 < Thorn> http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6617/3588041.7cb/0_a32ac_31294287_XXXL.JPG
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2014-06-25T10:24:41 < dongs> http://enlightpcb.com/html_news/QiYeXinWenTest-2-3.html wau wat a deal!!
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2014-06-25T11:37:53 < Lux> dongs: how about using that audio dac, which is on the discovery board:
2014-06-25T11:37:59 < Lux> http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/cs43l22.html
2014-06-25T11:49:10 < dongs> that doesnt do waht I need to do tho
2014-06-25T11:49:18 < dongs> i need ~1W speaker amp and headphone amp
2014-06-25T11:49:20 < dongs> not just dac.
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2014-06-25T11:56:34 < GargantuaSauce> >2 x 1.00 W into 8 Ω @ 5.0 V
2014-06-25T11:56:48 < GargantuaSauce> 10% thd is kinda balls though
2014-06-25T11:56:56 < GargantuaSauce> totally will ruin your soundstage dude
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2014-06-25T11:58:17 < Lux> dongs: it does both
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2014-06-25T12:01:40 < dongs> clicking
2014-06-25T12:02:36 < dongs> 1) doesnt support 192kHz
2014-06-25T12:02:41 < dongs> 2) 6x6mm not 5x5 mm
2014-06-25T12:03:12 < zyp> :(
2014-06-25T12:03:21 < zyp> so hueg
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2014-06-25T12:04:38 < dongs> hurr
2014-06-25T12:04:59 < GargantuaSauce> wtf do you need 192KHz for
2014-06-25T12:05:05 < dongs> hdmi audio bro
2014-06-25T12:05:14 < dongs> the soundstage is gonna be so wide
2014-06-25T12:05:23 < zyp> can't you just downsample it?
2014-06-25T12:05:30 < dongs> haha no.
2014-06-25T12:05:37 < dongs> how? its just coming out of hdmi rx
2014-06-25T12:05:41 < dongs> and goes straight to dac
2014-06-25T12:05:49 < dongs> i have no interest in dicking with the signal in bteween
2014-06-25T12:06:09 < zyp> low pass and drop half the samples
2014-06-25T12:06:15 < dongs> heh
2014-06-25T12:06:35 < zyp> that'll give you 96khz
2014-06-25T12:07:09 < dongs> also
2014-06-25T12:07:15 < dongs> that CS part has no 3D enhancement
2014-06-25T12:07:20 < dongs> or any other amazing shit
2014-06-25T12:07:22 < zyp> :(
2014-06-25T12:07:39 < GargantuaSauce> but those ruin your clarity!
2014-06-25T12:07:48 < GargantuaSauce> and muddy your bass
2014-06-25T12:07:58 < GargantuaSauce> you may as well be injecting a high amplitude jitter!!
2014-06-25T12:08:02 < dongs> wwwwwwwwwbuut
2014-06-25T12:08:05 < dongs> it has bass+treble
2014-06-25T12:08:08 < dongs> so torn
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2014-06-25T12:08:52 < dongs> if only it had spdif in
2014-06-25T12:08:59 < dongs> would be sold instantly
2014-06-25T12:09:05 < dongs> cuz then i could trash one chip.
2014-06-25T12:10:16 < zyp> http://www.cirrus.com/en/products/cs42516-26.html <- this shit then?
2014-06-25T12:12:14 < dongs> no speaker amp
2014-06-25T12:14:29 < scrts_> put an external amp
2014-06-25T12:14:53 < dongs> scrts_: then i might as well just stick with my original plan of WM8804+LM49450
2014-06-25T12:15:13 < dongs> ok, i emailed this "american" seller of ipad screens, asked for a quote for 60 of htem shipped to jp. got this reply:
2014-06-25T12:15:17 < dongs> Thanks for your inquiry about this item. Sorry,we haven't got our own brand products yet,so the most products we sell are produced by a 3rd party manufacturer(Not OEM). Although they are not original with famous brand ,the quality can be surely guaranteed with competitive price. If you are interested in it ,we are glad to receive your order early .
2014-06-25T12:15:22 < dongs> Best regards, Gadgettown Customer Care
2014-06-25T12:15:23 < dongs> ?????????????????????????????????????? what the actual fuck
2014-06-25T12:16:08 < zyp> very american
2014-06-25T12:16:13 < dongs> yeah.
2014-06-25T12:16:18 < dongs> also makes very little sense.
2014-06-25T12:19:30 < dongs> hm
2014-06-25T12:19:39 < dongs> CS43L22  is very cheap tho
2014-06-25T12:19:41 < dongs> .90
2014-06-25T12:19:46 < dongs> torn again
2014-06-25T12:21:32 < dongs> and if it runs out of stock i could always hot air them off -discovery boards.
2014-06-25T12:21:37 < dongs> GUARANTEED SUPPLY.
2014-06-25T12:21:55 < zyp> :p
2014-06-25T12:22:02 < dongs> (more like gargantuateed)
2014-06-25T12:22:28 < dongs> beep generator is very exciting.
2014-06-25T12:25:00 < dongs> shit
2014-06-25T12:25:02 < dongs> no volume control??
2014-06-25T12:25:13 < dongs> wait, has
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2014-06-25T12:31:52 < ABLomas> dongs: that's nice reply! Repeat your question and in 3rd try you probably could get answer!
2014-06-25T12:31:54 < ABLomas> ;-)
2014-06-25T12:32:39 < dongs> yeah
2014-06-25T12:32:46 < dongs> i replied with like "did you even bother readin my qeustion"
2014-06-25T12:34:33 < scrts_> CS43L22  .9... where did you get this price? China?
2014-06-25T12:44:14 < dongs> yeah
2014-06-25T12:44:24 < dongs> my usual place where i get most of the stuff
2014-06-25T12:44:38 < dongs> i can believe it, if it was expensive st wouldn't be giving that shit away on -disco boards
2014-06-25T12:45:09 < dongs> tho i guess disco has a bigger version
2014-06-25T12:45:12 < dongs> w/ADC and mic amp
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2014-06-25T12:47:01 < dongs> L52
2014-06-25T12:48:25 < dongs> heh, pin compatible(-ish) anyway
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2014-06-25T13:15:20 < noviceinstm> how to implement low power modes in stm32l152cb the examples shows the code which loads in the RAM
2014-06-25T13:16:22 < noviceinstm> If i change the linker file to flash.icf its not working, shows some warnings
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2014-06-25T13:19:38 < Steffanx> You really want to run code from RAM? Aren't "normal" low power modes low enough for you? Lp run, stop-mode and/or standy...
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2014-06-25T13:20:40 < noviceinstm> no actually my code runs from flash and want to add low power mode, but the example shows the code which runs from ram
2014-06-25T13:21:06 < noviceinstm> how to change the code to run from flash
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2014-06-25T13:21:51 < noviceinstm> steffanx:- i just changed the linker file to flash.icf but it shows some warnings
2014-06-25T13:23:24 < Steffanx> sorry, don't know anything about IAR's examples or linkerscripts
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2014-06-25T14:16:42 < dongs> fuck
2014-06-25T14:16:45 < dongs> so lazy, dont want to innovate
2014-06-25T14:18:46 < scrts_> been there
2014-06-25T14:18:48 < scrts_> :)
2014-06-25T14:31:02 < Steffanx> no one stops you from using some tarduino shield dongs
2014-06-25T14:31:08 < Steffanx> for whatever you're doing
2014-06-25T14:32:55 < dongs> https://hifiduino.wordpress.com/
2014-06-25T14:34:11 < dongs> https://hifiduino.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/dsc02497.jpg fuck yes
2014-06-25T14:34:28 < dongs> now we're talkin
2014-06-25T14:40:43 < Steffanx> Sarcasm-detector failure detected.
2014-06-25T14:41:21 < Laurenceb_> but what was it before it got noobified
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2014-06-25T14:44:58 < Laurenceb_> https://hifiduino.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/ibox/
2014-06-25T14:45:00 < Laurenceb_> hawt
2014-06-25T14:45:43 < Laurenceb_> connector spacing looks like they failed at measuring
2014-06-25T14:48:18 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs
2014-06-25T14:48:20 < Laurenceb_> https://hifiduino.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/linuxaudio2.png?w=595&h=385
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2014-06-25T14:50:40 < karlp> Laurenceb_: picture from 2008 by the way
2014-06-25T14:52:20 < Thorn> #$&^ing microsoft windows won't start with 8GB RAM
2014-06-25T14:56:03 < Steffanx> lol what?
2014-06-25T14:56:42 < Thorn> nvlddmkm.sys stop 00000116 on boot
2014-06-25T14:57:00 < Thorn> linux runs fine
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2014-06-25T15:12:02 < dongs> bullshit
2014-06-25T15:13:13 < Thorn> lost 4 hours on this, running @ 6GB now.
2014-06-25T15:15:51 < dongs> stop using garbage shitheap amd hardware and trash components
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2014-06-25T15:16:10 < dongs> and nvlddmkm.sys is nvidia crap
2014-06-25T15:16:12 < dongs> youre doing it wrong
2014-06-25T15:16:23 < karlp> doesn't matter, didn't work
2014-06-25T15:50:59 < Thorn> if I did something wrong linux wouldn't boot either
2014-06-25T15:54:22 < Steffanx> hah
2014-06-25T15:56:15 < dongs> um
2014-06-25T15:56:24 < dongs> 1) lunix has no driver for any modern nvidia card
2014-06-25T15:56:33 < dongs> 2) lunix uses like 10megs of ram and ignore the rest
2014-06-25T15:56:57 < Thorn> lol & lol
2014-06-25T15:57:19 < dongs> so if your ram is trash, you wont notice with lunix
2014-06-25T15:57:20 < Thorn> 1) nvidia drivers 2) type 'free' and look how much it uses for filesystem buffers
2014-06-25T15:57:30 < dongs> if your nvidia card is trash, you wont notice either
2014-06-25T15:57:31 < Thorn> it uses all the ram all the time
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2014-06-25T16:00:54 < Laurenceb_> like firefox?
2014-06-25T16:02:00 < Thorn> http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
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2014-06-25T16:11:59 < dongs> http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/25/5840950/north-korea-says-seth-rogens-james-franco-movie-act-of-war
2014-06-25T16:12:46 < dongs> thorn, in like 1996 i had a dual P2 board on SuperMicro P6DLS with dodgy ram, windows 98 se would crash shortly after boot or if I tried to do something, lunix would run for weeks just silently corrupting filesystem sometimes.
2014-06-25T16:13:03 < dongs> er, not se, '96 was still win98 or someshit
2014-06-25T16:13:06 < dongs> anyway around that time
2014-06-25T16:13:28 < dongs> point is = lunix sucks and underutilizes hardware
2014-06-25T16:13:57 < PaulFertser> LOL
2014-06-25T16:14:39 < qyx_> win98 in 1996?
2014-06-25T16:15:32 < dongs> qyx, maybe 1997. or '98. i remember it was win98 and not 95.
2014-06-25T16:15:34 < PaulFertser> In fact every modern OS is using almost all of the free RAM to buffer both reads and writes, so no wonder silent corruption was possible that way. So all of the RAM was actually used. And how would one detect it without ECC RAM?
2014-06-25T16:16:25 < PaulFertser> So it just happened that way win98 had code in that dodgy area, and Linux (the kernel) happened to place code in the good portion and the bad place ended up being used for disk caching.
2014-06-25T16:16:36 < dongs> PaulFertser: your sentence just excluded lunix
2014-06-25T16:16:43 < dongs> by saying "modern os"
2014-06-25T16:17:04 < qyx_> pls
2014-06-25T16:17:16 < PaulFertser> dongs: oh come on, take a look at Top500 supercomputers or so. Or compare networking stack performance of common configs etc etc.
2014-06-25T16:17:36 < dongs> PaulFertser: i dont give a fuck about supercomputers or network stack. i use a desktop to get work done
2014-06-25T16:17:42 < dongs> i dont run servers or weird shit.
2014-06-25T16:18:36 < PaulFertser> dongs: Linux is a very modern kernel and it gets plenty of improvements all the time. Both for server and desktop usage. It is a very modern kernel, keeping up-to-date with the latest advances in technology.
2014-06-25T16:19:57 < Steffanx> except when it comes to videocard drivers :P
2014-06-25T16:21:07 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, how do you explain windows8 on a brand-new notebook of my sister taking literally days to start downloading ~100 updates from "windows update"? How can you explain tiworker (which should check something for compatibility with the current version) running and running for hours wasting cycles?
2014-06-25T16:22:45 < dongs> i dont know waht the fuck that is
2014-06-25T16:22:52 < dongs> my laptop bought in 2014 boots in like 4 seconds
2014-06-25T16:22:53 < dongs> to windows 8.1
2014-06-25T16:22:57 < PaulFertser> I was honestly thinking microsoft learnt how to apply updates properly after their fiasco in windows xp which had an exponentially complicated algorithm for checking dependencies resulting in the whole system becoming unusable unless one manually forces some specific updates before the others. I thought they learnt from that, but apparently not. I haven't seen any GNU/Linux distro taking that long to update ever, and that given it updates all the ...
2014-06-25T16:23:03 < PaulFertser> ... software, not only the kernel.
2014-06-25T16:23:07 < dongs> if you try running windows 8.1 on hardware from 10 yers ago, yes, it will likely be slow.
2014-06-25T16:23:10 < Laurenceb_> y'all posting in a troll thread
2014-06-25T16:23:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-performance/tiworker-50-of-cpu-and-updating-doesnt-work-in-any/e0dfd97b-efbd-4c99-8c3f-21311fc86f3e
2014-06-25T16:23:34 < dongs> i dont evne know what tiworker is
2014-06-25T16:23:42 < PaulFertser> That's on a brand-new netbook with w8 preinstalled.
2014-06-25T16:23:56 < dongs> 50% cpu leads me to believe they're on a shitty DUALCORE processor w/o HT
2014-06-25T16:24:02 < dongs> i.e. some atom garbage
2014-06-25T16:24:05 < dongs> from 10 years ago
2014-06-25T16:25:00 < PaulFertser> Just read that thread on the official forum. I can't see how a serious company can treat their customers that way. Do you like being abused like that?!
2014-06-25T16:25:31 < Rickta59> * wonders if dongs start this https://www.facebook.com/MicrosoftFanboys
2014-06-25T16:26:20 < dongs> hahaha
2014-06-25T16:26:27 < dongs> < I cant believe I had the same type of problem with that "tiworker.exe" program or file or whatever. I just bought a Toshiba satellite C855D-S5320
2014-06-25T16:26:34 < dongs> Toshiba satellite C855D-S5320
2014-06-25T16:26:38 < dongs> its a fucking $320 laptop
2014-06-25T16:26:49 < dongs> with some AMD atom-like shit
2014-06-25T16:27:04 < dongs> the fuck do you expect?
2014-06-25T16:27:09 < PaulFertser> Does it mean some app checking compatibility of updates should prevent w8 updates from functioning altogether? Come on!
2014-06-25T16:27:10 < dongs> it will be shit just because its $320
2014-06-25T16:27:21 < dongs> i run windows update on all my win 8.x machiens
2014-06-25T16:27:23 < dongs> ive NEVER seen this
2014-06-25T16:27:31 < dongs> i have win8 on like 4 computers in teh house
2014-06-25T16:27:31 < PaulFertser> Because you run it regularly I assume.
2014-06-25T16:27:37 < dongs> it runs by itself
2014-06-25T16:27:43 < Rickta59> what other choice does he have dongs? aside from linux
2014-06-25T16:27:45 < dongs> windwos has some scheduler or whatever shit
2014-06-25T16:27:49 < PaulFertser> Yes
2014-06-25T16:28:07 < Rickta59> that is the problem with windows .. no choice
2014-06-25T16:28:07 < PaulFertser> But sometimes people disable auto-update, does it mean half a year later they must be screwed?
2014-06-25T16:28:16 < dongs> no clue, that sounds like thier own problem
2014-06-25T16:28:40 < PaulFertser> I'm talking about ms using inappropriate algorithms because they have no clue. Do you call that professional?
2014-06-25T16:29:14 < dongs> PLEASE SOMEONE AT MICROSOFT FIX THIS ISSUE.... I just bought a brand new laptop and I cant even create a word document with this thing taking up all my resources.
2014-06-25T16:29:18 < PaulFertser> You know how O() complexity matters, really, I don't see the point defending wrong algos.
2014-06-25T16:29:21 < dongs> holy fuck jjust how shit hardware do these people buy
2014-06-25T16:29:29 < dongs> if 50% cpu rapes your msword so badly
2014-06-25T16:30:24 < dongs> i mean,, fucking nvidia driver in last beta would eat up all the ram and use up cpu, and i wouldnt notice it for hours (sometimes days) until I oppened taskmgr and noticed shit running at 16gig ram in use
2014-06-25T16:30:31 < dongs> and i just got a shitty midrange desktop
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2014-06-25T16:31:15 < dongs> >  I should have bought a MAC.
2014-06-25T16:31:15 < dongs> hahah
2014-06-25T16:31:17 < dongs> last line
2014-06-25T16:31:18 < dongs> i agree
2014-06-25T16:32:08 < PaulFertser> So if you are forced to pay extra to have some cycles wasted by some morons who don't have a clue, and you think that's ok, I'm afraid there's no sense discussing this matter with you.
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2014-06-25T16:37:50 < Thorn> dongs: my fail7 crashes are not random, i.e. it's not ddr timing violations or whatever. it always crashes on boot when loading nvidia drivers, and only with 8GB (4x2GB DDR2)
2014-06-25T16:38:51 < PaulFertser> Guess those drivers are to blame.
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2014-06-25T16:41:49 < PaulFertser> So not strictly microsoft's fault here.
2014-06-25T16:43:24 < karlp> indeed, it's candy crush's fault
2014-06-25T16:43:43 < karlp> and googles for all the cpu that youtube and other flash shit takes
2014-06-25T16:47:44 < Thorn> this shit seems to be happening with all nvidia driver versions (looking at the forums) so I don't even know which ones to try
2014-06-25T16:50:39 < dongs> are you even running 64bit windows
2014-06-25T16:50:57 < Thorn> lol of course
2014-06-25T16:51:12 < gxti> PaulFertser: there's no sense discussing just about anything with dongs, haven't you learned yet?
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2014-06-25T16:53:34 < PaulFertser> gxti: I like talking to him to learn another point of view, it's just that I prefer to refute unfair public bashing of free software.
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2014-06-25T17:37:39 < dongs> Reminder, in order for Simplay labs to return your product we will need the following; carrier, acct#, declared value and HTS/ECCN codes. If you do not want your device to be returned a $500.00 disposal fee will be charged.
2014-06-25T17:37:43 < dongs> haha
2014-06-25T17:37:43 < dongs> $500 to throw your shit away
2014-06-25T17:37:54 < dongs> fuckin scammersr
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2014-06-25T17:41:08 < onr> hah
2014-06-25T17:44:39 < dongs> hmmm
2014-06-25T17:44:46 < dongs> SiI1292
2014-06-25T17:44:55 < dongs> this sounds like a pretty neat chip
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2014-06-25T18:17:44 < dongs> http://www.oaxis.com/shop/product_detail.php?id=11
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2014-06-25T18:55:05 < dongs> ugh all tehse etarded confusing I2S names
2014-06-25T18:55:16 < dongs> BCLK,MCLK,LRCLK
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2014-06-25T19:01:52 < dongs> http://mid.yesky.com/imagelist/2009/086/hl97n1613ih7.jpg
2014-06-25T19:09:43 < Laurenceb_> lolling
2014-06-25T19:09:53 < Laurenceb_> http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/images/verified_circuits/CN0284_15_1024.gif
2014-06-25T19:09:54 < Laurenceb_> hawt
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2014-06-25T19:10:04 < Laurenceb_> i want to make a microphone array now
2014-06-25T19:10:16 < dongs> lols
2014-06-25T19:10:22 < dongs> almost as awesaome as my 420 hall sensors array
2014-06-25T19:10:46 < Laurenceb_> you can do 3D object scanning awesomeness
2014-06-25T19:11:57 < karlp> are those mics Laurenceb_ on that lightbulb shaped thing?
2014-06-25T19:12:02 < Laurenceb_> yes
2014-06-25T19:12:23 < karlp> what's the idea of that structure?
2014-06-25T19:13:00 < Laurenceb_> http://enu.kz/repository/2010/AIAA-2010-3780.pdf
2014-06-25T19:13:03 < Laurenceb_> page 13
2014-06-25T19:16:26 < karlp> for dummies?
2014-06-25T19:16:42 < dongs> array of dongs
2014-06-25T19:16:44 < karlp> you're listening to noise to work out exactly where the sound comes from?
2014-06-25T19:17:20 < qyx_> seems so
2014-06-25T19:17:25 < qyx_> like synthetic aperture sonar
2014-06-25T19:18:09 < karlp> so the advantage is that doing it with a pile of mems, you can get really good positioning of noises without having a huge array?
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2014-06-25T19:18:49 < Laurenceb_> the advantage with MEMs is they have digital output
2014-06-25T19:19:03 < Laurenceb_> you can get good SNR fairly easily
2014-06-25T19:19:14 < Laurenceb_> without a ton of shielded cables
2014-06-25T19:19:15 < madist> but you need accurate timing information (phase) for array work
2014-06-25T19:19:18 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2014-06-25T19:19:25 < madist> and digital processing is not good for that.
2014-06-25T19:19:42 < Laurenceb_> I2S and PDM can run off a central clock
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2014-06-26T03:31:10 < dongs> wow no chat since i went to sleep
2014-06-26T03:31:14 < dongs> who ruined chats
2014-06-26T03:33:02 < gxti> i think you answered your own question, yes?
2014-06-26T03:46:26 < zyp> dunno, I also slept
2014-06-26T03:50:15 < emeb> chatz is ruinded?
2014-06-26T03:51:14 < Thorn> no chats until my ram problem is fixed
2014-06-26T03:51:33 < dongs> install ubuntu. problem solved
2014-06-26T03:52:07 < Thorn> true but I need fail7 to do actual work
2014-06-26T03:52:17 < Thorn> this is not a server
2014-06-26T03:54:32 < gxti> get a new job, one that doesn't hate your freedoms
2014-06-26T04:01:22 < Thorn> are there any VLIW DSPs currently in use (i.e. not obsolete)?
2014-06-26T04:02:40 < emeb> TI TMS320C6x is VLIW, SIMD IIRC
2014-06-26T04:03:10 < dongs> transmetae
2014-06-26T04:03:31 < emeb> such funny, so humor, wow
2014-06-26T04:05:42 < emeb> I've got a rail full of Inmos T804 Transputers - does that count?
2014-06-26T04:08:49  * emeb contemplates trying to get SDIO working on an STM32F405 board.
2014-06-26T04:11:01 < zyp> SDIO isn't that hard to get going, although probably more work to get working good
2014-06-26T04:11:37 < zyp> I suspect that accessing a card in SPI mode requires more code than SDIO mode
2014-06-26T04:12:09 < emeb> Interesting
2014-06-26T04:12:21 < emeb> I'm looking at the ST Eval board demo code.
2014-06-26T04:12:37 < dongs> that shit is probably behind 10 indirection levels
2014-06-26T04:12:52 < emeb> it doesn't look too awful - setup the GPIO, setup the SDIO peripheral, setup DMA and then manage TX, RX.
2014-06-26T04:12:53 < dongs> LOL->DONGS->HAL->MAL->???
2014-06-26T04:13:19 < emeb> I'm looking at the old StdPeriph stuff, not the new Picasso Cubism HAL crap
2014-06-26T04:13:23 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/main.cpp?h=usb_msc <- first part of this is SDIO handling
2014-06-26T04:14:00 < emeb> concise
2014-06-26T04:14:23 < zyp> like always
2014-06-26T04:14:23 < dongs> awesomely commented register sets
2014-06-26T04:14:34 < emeb> that costs extra
2014-06-26T04:15:04 < zyp> no error handling, so it fucks up when your card fucks up
2014-06-26T04:15:17 < emeb> that costs extra too. :)
2014-06-26T04:15:37 < zyp> but it's not like I spent a lot of time on it
2014-06-26T04:15:46 < zyp> I probably spent more on the USB part of it
2014-06-26T04:15:53 < zyp> or SCSI, rather
2014-06-26T04:16:06 < Thorn> how do you detect card insertion (if at all)?
2014-06-26T04:16:11 < emeb> SCSI emulation layer...
2014-06-26T04:16:21 < zyp> USB MSC is just a transport for SCSI
2014-06-26T04:16:56 < zyp> SCSI is a bit annoying to work with, since it's big endian
2014-06-26T04:17:06 < emeb> "that's pronounced SeCSIe"
2014-06-26T04:17:41 < zyp> Thorn, not at all yet, I'm just expecting a card to be present at reset
2014-06-26T04:18:11 < zyp> this was some code I quickly threw together some time to get familiar with SDIO and MSC
2014-06-26T04:18:38  * emeb has been fiddling with a lot of USB stacks for the last few weeks
2014-06-26T04:18:55 < emeb> MCHP PIC24 & PIC32 as well as STM32
2014-06-26T04:18:55 < zyp> so I'm keeping it as a starting point until I need to actually do something with SDIO
2014-06-26T04:19:08 < Thorn> >DipTrace has been updated to the new version 2.4.0.1.
2014-06-26T04:19:09 < zyp> found anything nice?
2014-06-26T04:19:20 < emeb> No.
2014-06-26T04:19:32 < emeb> I have confirmed for myself that PIC32 is a disaster
2014-06-26T04:19:50 < zyp> oh
2014-06-26T04:19:58 < zyp> I'd like to hear about it
2014-06-26T04:20:19 < emeb> about 3x the code required for a PIC32 program vs PIC24 for equivalent function.
2014-06-26T04:20:47 < zyp> binary size?
2014-06-26T04:20:50 < emeb> so a 64kB flash PIC32 part can do about 1/3 the function of a PIC24 with same flash.
2014-06-26T04:20:51 < emeb> Ya
2014-06-26T04:20:56 < zyp> heh
2014-06-26T04:21:05 < zyp> how does this compare to cortex-m?
2014-06-26T04:21:11 < emeb> MIPS processors suuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
2014-06-26T04:21:47 < emeb> Hard to say since I don't have exactly the same code in STM32 and PICxx
2014-06-26T04:22:01 < Thorn> oh looks like transflash sockets have a card detect pin
2014-06-26T04:22:07 < emeb> but just guessing I'd say that PIC24 and STM32 is roughly equivalent.
2014-06-26T04:22:16 < zyp> Thorn, yeah, they usually do
2014-06-26T04:22:37 < emeb> the one I used does
2014-06-26T04:22:44 < Thorn> I even connected it on my board
2014-06-26T04:22:48 < emeb> simple spring closure
2014-06-26T04:23:18 < zyp> and the protocol describes what kind of card errors that put you in a reset state too
2014-06-26T04:23:38 < emeb> IIRC the only way to reset an SD card is to cycle power
2014-06-26T04:23:52 < zyp> I think that's part of protocol
2014-06-26T04:24:09 < emeb> so many low-end SD interfaces don't allow that.
2014-06-26T04:24:38 < emeb> ie SD card is powered direct from system +3.3V
2014-06-26T04:24:44 < zyp> yeah
2014-06-26T04:24:53 < Thorn> btw do you put any capacitors near the Vcc of the card?
2014-06-26T04:25:03 < emeb> I did
2014-06-26T04:25:07 < emeb> many don't
2014-06-26T04:25:09 < zyp> hmm, I bought some $50 microsd cards the other day
2014-06-26T04:25:16 < Thorn> elm-chan says you might need a few uF to prevent a voltage dip on insertion
2014-06-26T04:25:19 < zyp> 64GB SDXC
2014-06-26T04:25:34 < emeb> if you look at Bunnie Huang's SD card teardown you'll see many SD cards have bypass caps in them
2014-06-26T04:25:53 < Thorn> even microsd?
2014-06-26T04:26:00 < emeb> ifinkso
2014-06-26T04:26:08 < emeb> would need to double check tho
2014-06-26T04:27:21 < emeb> The Adafruit SD card interfaces typically don't bypass the sockets but they seem to work.
2014-06-26T04:27:34 < Thorn> do you actually need a pulldown on the clk line?
2014-06-26T04:28:05 < emeb> you can probably use the GPIO pulldowns
2014-06-26T04:28:35 < emeb> they're mainly there to keep the lines from floating when there's no card present
2014-06-26T04:28:50 < Rickta59> pic24 is more like an msp430
2014-06-26T04:28:53 < emeb> floating CMOS = high power.
2014-06-26T04:29:05 < emeb> dunno diddly about msp430
2014-06-26T04:29:15 < Rickta59> both 16 bit processors
2014-06-26T04:29:29 < emeb> aha
2014-06-26T04:29:47 < emeb> PIC24 is typically not real fast - 2 clks/instruction.
2014-06-26T04:30:03 < emeb> so the max 32MHz parts I've been using are 16MIPS
2014-06-26T04:30:07 < zyp> I bought a msp430 kit once, still haven't unwrapped it
2014-06-26T04:30:14 < Thorn> you can just set the pin to output (and the sdio core probably does that when initialized)
2014-06-26T04:30:22 < emeb> I've got a couple of those launchpad boards.
2014-06-26T04:30:29 < emeb> when they were selling them for $1.00
2014-06-26T04:30:32 < Rickta59> those are more like an attiny
2014-06-26T04:30:35 < dongs> i got 2 of those ex-tiva launchpads shits
2014-06-26T04:30:41 < dongs> i think they're obsolete now
2014-06-26T04:30:42 < zyp> I got the fram board
2014-06-26T04:31:05 < Rickta59> that is kind of nice
2014-06-26T04:31:16 < Rickta59> but if it is the older one .. kind of limiting
2014-06-26T04:31:24 < zyp> yeah
2014-06-26T04:31:37 < zyp> I got it just as I were getting into cortex-m
2014-06-26T04:31:48 < Rickta59> the old launchpads sucked with linux .. as the driver for the usb was problematic
2014-06-26T04:32:03 < Rickta59> the new ones are fine
2014-06-26T04:32:05 < zyp> and I figured it was pointless to learn another architecture, so that's why I haven't touched it
2014-06-26T04:32:12 < emeb> same here
2014-06-26T04:32:32 < emeb> only reason I'm messing with PIC24 is that it's close to dsPIC which I know from years back
2014-06-26T04:32:53 < Rickta59> seems like switching architectures is pretty easy ..
2014-06-26T04:33:01 < Rickta59> learning new peripherals .. that is the time sink
2014-06-26T04:33:07 < emeb> +1
2014-06-26T04:33:12 < emeb> esp if you're using C
2014-06-26T04:33:19 < Thorn> new tools is the worst
2014-06-26T04:33:28 < Rickta59> nice thing about the launchpads .. like the stm boards they include a real debugger
2014-06-26T04:33:34 < zyp> I like being able to read the disassembly even if I don't write it
2014-06-26T04:33:34 < Thorn> new dimensions of pain
2014-06-26T04:33:47 < Rickta59> msp430 is pretty simple .. looks like pdp11
2014-06-26T04:33:47 < emeb> PIC24 assy is pretty good
2014-06-26T04:34:04 < Rickta59> and i played with the pic24 .. didn't take long to make sense of its asm
2014-06-26T04:34:13 < emeb> Ya - picked that up real fast
2014-06-26T04:34:17 < zyp> I heard from my compiler guy that msp430 sounds awful to write compilres for
2014-06-26T04:34:23 < emeb> my first few years I just used assy
2014-06-26T04:34:40 < Rickta59> lack of decent free compiler for the pic24 got me down
2014-06-26T04:34:55 < emeb> haven't _ever_ tried serious assy with ARM / Thumb2
2014-06-26T04:35:05 < Thorn> oh nice, help->about freezes dicktrace
2014-06-26T04:35:12 < Rickta59> ti recently paid red hat to redo the gcc from scatch
2014-06-26T04:35:20 < emeb> Thorn: so this is the final non-beta?
2014-06-26T04:35:24 < Rickta59> it isn't in final release though
2014-06-26T04:35:33 < dongs> not here
2014-06-26T04:35:37 < Thorn> 2.4.0.1, an update to the non-beta
2014-06-26T04:35:47 < Rickta59> seems like the best place to be is with the arm cortex stuff ..
2014-06-26T04:35:54 < dongs> im on june 5 build
2014-06-26T04:35:56 < Rickta59> seems to be lots of eyeballs making everything better
2014-06-26T04:36:27 < emeb> Interesting
2014-06-26T04:36:50 < emeb> I should probably switch up - still running beta
2014-06-26T04:36:57 < Rickta59> i do like the rep pic24 instruction though .. easy to do cycle counted stuff
2014-06-26T04:37:29 < emeb> ya - makes a lot of sense in the dsPIC for convolutions
2014-06-26T04:37:46 < Thorn> nope didn't freeze this time
2014-06-26T04:37:52 < emeb> Heisenbug!
2014-06-26T04:38:12 < zyp> cortex-m has so many options with the whole multi-vendor thing that it sounds strange if you can't find a part that'll fit your purpose anyway
2014-06-26T04:38:30 < emeb> it is everywhere, all the time
2014-06-26T04:38:53 < Rickta59> repeat instruction ..
2014-06-26T04:38:59 < dongs> internet of things
2014-06-26T04:39:27 < zyp> I'm a bit annoyed with cortex-m0 though
2014-06-26T04:39:32 < emeb> ?
2014-06-26T04:39:32 < Rickta59> why is that zyp ?
2014-06-26T04:39:58 < emeb> all the missing instructions?
2014-06-26T04:40:07 < zyp> like somebody mentioned the other day, there's no SCB_VTOR, so you can't easily remap the vector table
2014-06-26T04:40:11 < Thorn> missing registers
2014-06-26T04:40:15 < zyp> so custom bootloaders will be a pain
2014-06-26T04:40:27 < Rickta59> i wonder what to do with r8-12 ..
2014-06-26T04:40:33 < Rickta59> seems like they are mostly useless
2014-06-26T04:40:58 < zyp> why would they be any more useless than 0-7?
2014-06-26T04:41:00 < Thorn> fault reason registers are missing too
2014-06-26T04:41:12 < zyp> Thorn, that's ok if you don't make faults
2014-06-26T04:41:14 < zyp> :p
2014-06-26T04:41:14 < Rickta59> 0-7 can do just about any instruction
2014-06-26T04:41:16 < zyp> but yeah
2014-06-26T04:41:28 < Rickta59> 8-up .. can't do a lot of instructions
2014-06-26T04:41:37 < zyp> Rickta59, that's a thumb limitation, not thumb7
2014-06-26T04:41:40 < zyp> thumb2*
2014-06-26T04:42:01 < zyp> lots of thumb instructions have thumb2 equivalents that'll do all registers
2014-06-26T04:48:22 < dongs> < zyp> like somebody mentioned the other day, there's no SCB_VTOR, so you can't easily remap the vector table
2014-06-26T04:48:28 < dongs> so how do yo udo it then
2014-06-26T04:48:32 < dongs> in bootlolder?
2014-06-26T04:50:11 < zyp> you can't
2014-06-26T04:50:18 < zyp> vector table is fixed at 0
2014-06-26T04:50:50 < zyp> so the only thing you can do is memory remaps
2014-06-26T04:51:53 < emeb> so vector table must point to another set of fixed jumps in memory?
2014-06-26T04:52:03 < emeb> and then you rewrite those...
2014-06-26T04:52:18 < zyp> it's dumb either way
2014-06-26T04:52:35 < emeb> so just avoid m0 if you need a bootloader
2014-06-26T04:52:41 < emeb> or use the builtin
2014-06-26T04:53:10 < zyp> shame, f072 seems so nice otherway
2014-06-26T04:54:04 < zyp> I prefer being able to use a custom protocol and/or a custom way to force bootloader mode
2014-06-26T04:54:28 < zyp> st site down?
2014-06-26T04:54:33 < emeb> you can always jump into the bootloader from your code, no?
2014-06-26T04:54:50 < zyp> not when your firmware is dead
2014-06-26T04:54:51 < zyp> :p
2014-06-26T04:54:57 < dongs> http://www.lpcware.com/content/forum/secondary-bootloader-on-cortex-m0
2014-06-26T04:55:38 < zyp> yeah, I know how it's possible to solve it
2014-06-26T04:55:41 < zyp> it's just dumb
2014-06-26T04:56:18 < dongs> dumb and much lunix
2014-06-26T04:56:39 < zyp> M0+ have SCB_VTOR, so I wish vendors would use that instead
2014-06-26T04:57:17 < dongs> hehe
2014-06-26T04:57:36 < zyp> ah, looks like stm32l0 is M0+
2014-06-26T04:57:42  * emeb considers another way to do SDR in an F3 part...
2014-06-26T04:57:51 < emeb> w00t!
2014-06-26T04:57:59 < emeb> bootloaders 'r' us
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2014-06-26T04:58:52 < zyp> no L0 with USB yet though
2014-06-26T04:59:14 < zyp> maybe I'll just keep using F3
2014-06-26T04:59:31 < dongs> overkill all the things
2014-06-26T05:00:36 < Thorn> lpc11uxx
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2014-06-26T05:06:18 < gxti> hm, didn't know m0 does not have movable ISR table
2014-06-26T05:06:33 < dongs> you do now!
2014-06-26T05:06:40 < dongs> looks like F103 is still the best chip to use for general purpose shit
2014-06-26T05:07:13 < gxti> probably. although the cheaper F1s are still pretty stingy on ram+flash
2014-06-26T05:07:38 < dongs> "cheaper" F1s arent actually cheaper if their volume is shit
2014-06-26T05:08:05 < zyp> true
2014-06-26T05:08:14 < zyp> maybe I'll just go with F1 next time
2014-06-26T05:08:34 < zyp> at least if I don't need much fancy IO
2014-06-26T05:09:01 < Thorn> what about f401
2014-06-26T05:09:21 < onr> would make a good fighter jet name
2014-06-26T05:09:24 < zyp> sounds expensive
2014-06-26T05:09:33 < onr> heh
2014-06-26T05:10:25 < Thorn> 401VCT6 seems 20% more expensive than 103vct6
2014-06-26T05:15:47 < dongs> emeb: BCLK = CLK = CK, LRCLK = WS, MCLK = MCK, DOUT = SD right?
2014-06-26T05:17:51 < emeb> dongs: yep
2014-06-26T05:18:03 < dongs> kk. hooking this shit up
2014-06-26T05:20:23 < emeb> w8804 -> TI dac/amp?
2014-06-26T05:20:31 < dongs> dumped TI
2014-06-26T05:20:35 < emeb> orly?
2014-06-26T05:20:39 < dongs> found way cheaper yesterday
2014-06-26T05:20:42 < dongs> CS43L22
2014-06-26T05:20:46 < dongs> $.90
2014-06-26T05:20:54 < emeb> but that's not a power amp is it?
2014-06-26T05:20:56 < dongs> it is
2014-06-26T05:21:02 < dongs> its actaully exactly same shit as TI
2014-06-26T05:21:05 < emeb> no kidding?
2014-06-26T05:21:10 < dongs> plus some extra dsp dicks for bass/treble
2014-06-26T05:21:11 < emeb> that's the part on the F4 Disco
2014-06-26T05:21:19 < dongs> i think 52 is on -disco
2014-06-26T05:21:21 < dongs> but yes
2014-06-26T05:21:23 < dongs> they're pin compatible
2014-06-26T05:21:27 < dongs> 52 has mic preamps
2014-06-26T05:21:28 < emeb> crazy
2014-06-26T05:22:12 < dongs> and its more available than TI part also
2014-06-26T05:22:26 < dongs> tho i was impressed with how fast TI Japan got back to me with schematics for it
2014-06-26T05:22:33 < emeb> I'll be damned. It does have power amps...
2014-06-26T05:22:45 < dongs> 2 hours after I submitted my question tey sent me LM49450 evalboard schematics and extra junk
2014-06-26T05:22:57 < dongs> emeb: yep...
2014-06-26T05:23:24 < emeb> L22 is the part on the Disco
2014-06-26T05:23:29 < emeb> but the spkr pins are NC
2014-06-26T05:23:36 < emeb> bastards
2014-06-26T05:23:40 < dongs> huhu
2014-06-26T05:24:27 < emeb> Well, Cirrus makes good stuff.
2014-06-26T05:27:01 < dongs> yesterday i looked around we actually used L52 on portable digital radio receiver thing that was made last year
2014-06-26T05:27:12 < dongs> not sure why 52 was used, the mic stuff was not actually connected...
2014-06-26T05:27:29 < dongs> i knew F4-disco was initially used for prototyping, so I just assumed that was the part onit
2014-06-26T05:27:38 < dongs> you think they later switched to L22 for cheapness?
2014-06-26T05:27:41  * dongs looks for my -disco
2014-06-26T05:27:42 < emeb> maybe
2014-06-26T05:28:09 < emeb> if you're really good with a soldering iron and fine wire you might be able to connect to the speaker outputs... :P
2014-06-26T05:29:49 < emeb> but they hooked Vp up to some weak onboard  +3V, so probably not enough current there for anything useful
2014-06-26T05:32:17 < dongs> hm L22 on mine, and its one of the very first ones
2014-06-26T05:32:25 < dongs> i wonder why hte fuck radio dudes chose L52
2014-06-26T05:32:40 < emeb> super pro
2014-06-26T05:33:46 < dongs> cirrus datasheet sucks for copying pinmap :(
2014-06-26T05:33:51 < dongs> i have to manualyl fix all rows
2014-06-26T05:33:59 < dongs> but ok still better than double clicking everything in dicktrace
2014-06-26T05:42:44 < dongs> well that explains why L22 is .90 anyway then
2014-06-26T05:42:52 < dongs> cuz ST wouldnt use a $5 part on shit they're giving away
2014-06-26T05:53:41 < emeb> dat Digi-Key price
2014-06-26T05:53:54 < emeb> $4.14 / qty 100
2014-06-26T05:54:59 < dongs> lo
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2014-06-26T06:48:04 < upgrdman> what docs cover uploading firmware via uart? ref man?
2014-06-26T06:48:40 < dongs> no
2014-06-26T06:48:48 < dongs> you mean built in uart/etc bootloader?
2014-06-26T06:48:52 < upgrdman> ya
2014-06-26T06:49:04 < dongs> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00264342.pdf
2014-06-26T06:49:23 < upgrdman> of course, an AN. thanks.
2014-06-26T06:49:28 < dongs> and system memory boot mode shit
2014-06-26T06:49:31 < dongs> AN2606
2014-06-26T06:49:35 < upgrdman> k
2014-06-26T06:49:39 < dongs> but the one i linked covers protocol
2014-06-26T06:56:54 < upgrdman> hmm. boot bits need to be set for System Memory to get the uart bootloader?
2014-06-26T06:58:44 < dongs> bits?
2014-06-26T06:58:47 < dongs> on F3?
2014-06-26T06:58:59 < dongs> F3 has bits, F1 is boot0/boot1 hardware pins
2014-06-26T06:59:11 < dongs> dont remember others
2014-06-26T07:00:21 < upgrdman> f0. has a boot0 pin and boot1 bit in some register, iirc
2014-06-26T07:00:28 < dongs> oic duno then
2014-06-26T07:01:16 < upgrdman> my end goal is wireless firmware loading. seems like a bt rs232 dongle is the only way to do that?
2014-06-26T07:03:40 < zyp> or custom bootloader
2014-06-26T07:04:17 < upgrdman> hmm
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2014-06-26T07:53:33 < dongs> duno aboput custom
2014-06-26T07:53:38 < dongs> just jump to rom bootloader from userspace
2014-06-26T07:53:46 < dongs> thats wat i do, works 4 me
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2014-06-26T09:01:21 < upgrdman> dongs: how would i do that? use asm to write to the sp?
2014-06-26T09:01:31 < upgrdman> err, not sp. pc.
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2014-06-26T09:17:57 < jpa-> upgrdman: you can also use a function pointer, though that will probably leave a few garbage bytes on the stack
2014-06-26T09:18:12 < jpa-> upgrdman: in assembler, you might use a branch instruction ;)
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2014-06-26T09:39:40 < dongs> upgrdman: lememe see wat i did. something similar.
2014-06-26T09:39:42 < dongs> er simple
2014-06-26T09:40:08 < dongs> oh
2014-06-26T09:40:13 < dongs> i kinda a cheated
2014-06-26T09:40:18 < dongs> and did the jump inside reset vector
2014-06-26T09:41:35 < dongs> https://code.google.com/p/esc32/source/browse/trunk/onboard/rcc.c#52 heres how its done from userspace.
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2014-06-26T11:36:53 < dongs> zyp, you were wishing there was L0 with M0+ and usb?
2014-06-26T11:36:57 < dongs> ST just spammed me with that :)
2014-06-26T11:37:06 < dongs> The devices are available from 16 to 512 Kbytes of Flash memory, with up to 80 Kbytes of SRAM, 16 Kbytes of true EEPROM and in packages with 32 up to 144 pins. The platform features 12-bit ADC, DAC, comparators, op-amp, SDIO, LCD driver, RTC (<0,95ppm), FSMC and crystal-less FS USB.
2014-06-26T11:38:52 < dongs> The 32L0538DISCOVERY board features a real-time current measurement system of the STM32 L0 MCU built with the STM32L1 MCU. The crystal-less USB operation of the STM32 L0 is demonstrated through USB mouse emulation in one of the pre-programmed demo modes.
2014-06-26T11:38:56 < dongs> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
2014-06-26T11:38:57 < dongs> e-paepr!!1
2014-06-26T11:39:14 < dongs> and ST site is down again of course
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2014-06-26T11:59:28 < ossifrage> I can not seem to get TI to stop spamming me, the unsubscribe links are no-ops
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2014-06-26T12:16:35 < Steffanx> nice nice that discovery dongs
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2014-06-26T12:18:50 < Steffanx> even a user-usb connector.
2014-06-26T12:29:19 < karlp> upgrdman: hey, been looking for you for a while, you posted some links to embedded vidoes recently, that included a whole heap about this QP tool, have you used that much?
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2014-06-26T12:57:50 < zyp> dongs, yeah, me too
2014-06-26T12:58:18 < dongs> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/fragment/product_related/rpn_information/board_photo/stm32l0538-disco.jpg
2014-06-26T12:58:21 < dongs> wauuu
2014-06-26T12:58:23 < dongs> so want
2014-06-26T12:58:35 < dongs> (ill never do anything with it)
2014-06-26T12:59:13 < dongs> hmm NFC connector??
2014-06-26T13:00:17 < zyp> they have same shit on some of the other discovery boards
2014-06-26T13:00:22 < zyp> it's just i2c and some shit
2014-06-26T13:01:22 < zyp> ok, so now that f072 is finally available, I need to start waiting for a new part :p
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2014-06-26T13:05:26 < zyp> huh, mouser has the L0 nucleo in stock
2014-06-26T13:05:31 < zyp> six of them
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2014-06-26T13:14:17 < trepidaciousMBR> I like the nucleos
2014-06-26T13:15:46 < zyp> ok
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2014-06-26T14:15:38 < Tectu_> does anybody in here happen to have a google nexus 5?
2014-06-26T14:15:55 < zyp> my friend sitting next to me has one, why?
2014-06-26T14:17:02 < scrts_w> I bought one to my wife
2014-06-26T14:17:10 < scrts_w> that damn thing is extremely fast...
2014-06-26T14:18:20 < onr> what cpu it uses
2014-06-26T14:19:51 < Tectu_> zyp: my blackberry Z10 broke down and I need a new one.
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2014-06-26T14:20:07 < Tectu_> zyp: I'm not sure whether I should buy the Z10 again or go for a nexus 5 this time
2014-06-26T14:20:24 < Tectu_> zyp: the only bad thing I read about the nexus 5 is the battery life which seems to be HORRIBLE
2014-06-26T14:20:44 < Tectu_> scrts_w: what is "fast" in a phone?
2014-06-26T14:20:48 < Tectu_> scrts_w: can you tell me about the battery life?
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2014-06-26T14:22:14 < PaulFertser> Battery life in smartphones depends a lot on the goodwill of the apps you run. gta02 could sleep up to 140 hours on a 1200mAh battery.
2014-06-26T14:22:58 < Tectu_> I'm not really a background apps person anyway
2014-06-26T14:23:04 < Tectu_> and my Z10 barely holds one day as well
2014-06-26T14:23:16 < Tectu_> I just don't want to get a worse battery life than I already have
2014-06-26T14:24:14 < zyp> Tectu_, my friend says it doesn't have a problem lasting all day unless you're using it all the time
2014-06-26T14:24:40 < Tectu_> thanks zyp
2014-06-26T14:24:47 < Tectu_> I just don't want to leave BlackBerry OS
2014-06-26T14:24:49 < Tectu_> such a great OS...
2014-06-26T14:25:37 < zyp> do you have one of the Z10s I worked on?
2014-06-26T14:25:49 < Tectu_> also, I'm not used to 5". My current one is 4.2" only.
2014-06-26T14:25:54 < Tectu_> I have large hands, tho
2014-06-26T14:28:14 < dongs> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/927/588/360/360588927_748.jpg
2014-06-26T14:28:39 < dongs> Tectu_: dixus6 will be announced soon.. 5 will be cheap...
2014-06-26T14:28:48 < dongs> its ok for the price
2014-06-26T14:28:49 < dongs> BUT
2014-06-26T14:28:58 < dongs> it really sucks, mostly due to assdroid being shit
2014-06-26T14:29:11 < dongs> also horrible camera, if you give a shit about that
2014-06-26T14:29:19 < dongs> and: extenral mic doens't work for voice recording.
2014-06-26T14:29:30 < Tectu_> dongs: that's my main drawback - android. I know how nice it is with BlackBerry OS10...
2014-06-26T14:29:45 < dongs> er,, external as in,, wahtever mics are used for ambient noise.
2014-06-26T14:29:47 < Tectu_> dongs: also, wasn't the camera the feature they really really used in all their commercials?
2014-06-26T14:29:54 < dongs> no clue.
2014-06-26T14:29:55 < Tectu_> dongs: also, BlackBery cam isn't better anyway
2014-06-26T14:30:00 < dongs> n5 camera is worse than n4 camera
2014-06-26T14:30:10 < dongs> which is not saying much since n4  camera was also bad, but it got worse.
2014-06-26T14:31:43 < Tectu_> this sucks man
2014-06-26T14:32:09 < dongs> i got a free htc m8 and i haven't touched my dixus5 since then. of course, it being free, im slightly biased.
2014-06-26T14:32:18 < dongs> however, it sucks a lot less.
2014-06-26T14:32:40 < dongs> assdroid experience is horrible tho, no matter wat
2014-06-26T14:32:59 < zyp> I'm not sure I'd want to use a non-nexus android device, considering how much shit vendors put on them
2014-06-26T14:33:00 < dongs> basic shit missing, usability fails all over  hte place
2014-06-26T14:33:09 < zyp> and I don't want to dick around with third party bullshit either
2014-06-26T14:33:40 < dongs> all i did on htc was disable a bunch of shit like stocks/sports/whatever, other than that I dont see anything wrong/different with it
2014-06-26T14:33:44 < Miek> and you're guaranteed to get updates for a while on a nexus
2014-06-26T14:33:55 < scrts_w> Tectu_: well... fast for me is when you open the app and it opens immediately. When you type a message, it types immediately and it doesn't matter how many apps you've opened. She's constantly using WiFi, facebook & stuff, so the battery drains in 2-3 days with this active use. I'd say as a decent smartphone
2014-06-26T14:34:09 < dongs> 2-3 days?@!?#?!@?#?!@??#!@?#
2014-06-26T14:34:10 < dongs> "
2014-06-26T14:34:18 < dongs> constantly using "facebook" on dixus5 = battery dead in 4 hours
2014-06-26T14:34:29 < dongs> (or constantly doing anything w/screen on)
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2014-06-26T14:34:37 < BullDoger> My motog lasts for 3-4 days in standby.
2014-06-26T14:34:37 < scrts_w> reduce the brightness
2014-06-26T14:34:55 < dongs> doesnt amtter
2014-06-26T14:35:05 < dongs> youre not getting 2-3 days of use on a battery on nexus5
2014-06-26T14:35:07 < dongs> no fucking way.
2014-06-26T14:35:10 < scrts_w> she's 26, not 16, so constantly using facebook doesn't mean doing selfies every 15 minutes
2014-06-26T14:35:41 < scrts_w> well, anyway, I see her charging her phone every 2 days
2014-06-26T14:35:53 < scrts_w> and I've bought her that phone about 3 weeks ago
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2014-06-26T14:36:29 < scrts_w> I charge my phone also every two days. I do it on odd days, she does it on even days. Just because we only have on charger that fits this shitty UK plug
2014-06-26T14:36:40 < scrts_w> *one charger
2014-06-26T14:36:42 < BullDoger> lolwut.
2014-06-26T14:36:43 < dongs> haha
2014-06-26T14:36:52 < Tectu_> scrts_w: that surprises me too... 2-3 days when actively using facebook and wifi? sounds imbossible to me.
2014-06-26T14:37:03 < dongs> my dixus5 would discharge itself just idling w/wifi on
2014-06-26T14:37:07 < dongs> in a day
2014-06-26T14:37:22 < BullDoger> Maybe you should change rom
2014-06-26T14:37:27 < scrts_w> dunno, I see her checking FB many times during the day so...
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2014-06-26T14:38:03 < Tectu_> scrts_w: she's probably having an affair and charging it at the other dudes house then
2014-06-26T14:38:14 < Tectu_> dongs: so you have a nexus 5 yourself?
2014-06-26T14:38:41 < scrts_w> well, if affair is only for charging it... let it be
2014-06-26T14:38:42 < scrts_w> :)))
2014-06-26T14:39:08 < Tectu_> lol
2014-06-26T14:39:14 < scrts_w> anyway, my LG optimus G is also fast, but that nexus 5 is also really great.
2014-06-26T14:39:20 < Tectu_> well, I agree with zyp, when I go for android crap then I want the bare google experience
2014-06-26T14:39:39 < Tectu_> I don't care about fastness. my Z10 always did fine. I'm really just afraid of the battery
2014-06-26T14:39:47 < BullDoger> It's not much of a problem with roms
2014-06-26T14:39:51 < Tectu_> btw, scrts_w, that affair thing was just joking, no offense please.
2014-06-26T14:39:56 < scrts_w> it's so bare, that there's no SMS app and it's ridiculously stupidly implemented into hangouts. You have to download SMS app yourself...
2014-06-26T14:39:58 < Tectu_> BullDoger: roms? as in reflash?
2014-06-26T14:40:01 < zyp> I don't care much about battery as long as it lasts a day of normal use
2014-06-26T14:40:04 < scrts_w> Tectu_: sure, I get it ;))
2014-06-26T14:40:07 < BullDoger> Tectu_, yea
2014-06-26T14:40:18 < Tectu_> BullDoger: so you have one?
2014-06-26T14:40:23 < Tectu_> zyp: same here. THe question is: will it?
2014-06-26T14:40:28 < BullDoger> I wouldn't have got motog if I only had stock rom
2014-06-26T14:40:33 < BullDoger> Otherwise it's a pos
2014-06-26T14:40:36 < scrts_w> Tectu_: just charge it when you go to sleep and that's it
2014-06-26T14:40:41 < zyp> qi charger on my nightstand, so phone is always charging while I sleep, while doubling as an alarm clock
2014-06-26T14:40:50 < Tectu_> scrts_w: I don't sleep
2014-06-26T14:40:51 < scrts_w> zyp: +
2014-06-26T14:41:06 < zyp> you should try it once, it's nice
2014-06-26T14:41:18 < Tectu_> scrts_w: but anyway - that's what I do every day, charging over night with the z10 too. I just dont' want to get worse battery life. And this n5 has a huge display. display -> fucks battery
2014-06-26T14:41:19 < zyp> albeit a bit too time consuming at times
2014-06-26T14:41:23 < scrts_w> meh... difficult zombie life
2014-06-26T14:41:26 < scrts_w> ;)))
2014-06-26T14:41:31 < Tectu_> zyp: 'qi' ?
2014-06-26T14:41:37 < zyp> wireless power
2014-06-26T14:41:39 < Tectu_> ah
2014-06-26T14:41:49 < scrts_w> Tectu_: yeah.. the display is fullHD
2014-06-26T14:41:49 < Tectu_> so you have an n5 too? Or is that now zyps friend?
2014-06-26T14:41:53 < zyp> n4 and n5 have built in receiver coils
2014-06-26T14:42:03 < zyp> I still have an n4
2014-06-26T14:42:06 < Tectu_> ah
2014-06-26T14:42:17 < Tectu_> so give n5 a go then?
2014-06-26T14:42:18 < scrts_w> Tectu_: and you won't be able to open it, so no battery replacement
2014-06-26T14:42:25 < scrts_w> maybe go for phone, which you can open?
2014-06-26T14:42:36 < Tectu_> scrts_w: I'm awar of that and that scares me a lot
2014-06-26T14:42:52 < zyp> just get a usb battery if you need extra power
2014-06-26T14:42:55 < scrts_w> ye.. no memory expand (no SD slot)
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2014-06-26T14:44:16 < Tectu_> zyp: I already carry a 50000mAh battery in my backpack every day
2014-06-26T14:44:33 < Tectu_> scrts_w: I don't care about memory. I barely have 5GB filled
2014-06-26T14:44:44 < zyp> Tectu_, no problem then?
2014-06-26T14:44:53 < Tectu_> zyp: I am worried about the speaker quality too
2014-06-26T14:45:02 < Tectu_> zyp: my Z10 has stereo speakers and the quality is quite awezome
2014-06-26T14:45:09 < Tectu_> n5 has single mono crap
2014-06-26T14:45:24 < zyp> do you wrap it around your head when listening then?
2014-06-26T14:45:47 < Tectu_> no, but we all know from ancient TV times that stereo gives a lot better quality
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2014-06-26T14:46:35 < Tectu_> I bet madist can help making that decision
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2014-06-26T14:46:49 < madist> go for it!
2014-06-26T14:46:53 < madist> I agree totally.
2014-06-26T14:47:33 < Tectu_> hmm
2014-06-26T14:47:44 < Tectu_> zyp: can you ask your friend how that 4.4 kitkat crap is? It looks ugly as fuck
2014-06-26T14:50:36 < zyp> what about it?
2014-06-26T14:50:40 < zyp> I have 4.4 on my n4 too
2014-06-26T14:50:51 < SlaveToTheSauce> 4.4 on this tablet seems fine
2014-06-26T14:50:54 < zyp> not a huge difference from 4.3
2014-06-26T14:51:09 < SlaveToTheSauce> except it's android and i fucking hate it
2014-06-26T14:51:20 < zyp> go buy an ipad
2014-06-26T14:51:28 < SlaveToTheSauce> it's still the lesser of two evils
2014-06-26T14:52:02 < Tectu_> why the fuck does one need full HD screen on 5" anyway? do you guys all have superman vision?!
2014-06-26T14:52:06 < Tectu_> like one could see that
2014-06-26T14:52:16 < zyp> why not?
2014-06-26T14:52:43 < zyp> keep in mind you hold your phone much closer than monitors your normally look at
2014-06-26T14:53:49 < Tectu_> yes, but >400ppi
2014-06-26T14:53:56 < Tectu_> like one could see anything >300ppi
2014-06-26T14:54:47 < Tectu_> zyp: qi charger gives you like 10mA I guess? :P
2014-06-26T14:55:04 < zyp> no?
2014-06-26T14:56:37 < zyp> «The low-power specification delivers up to 5 watts»
2014-06-26T14:56:50 < zyp> so it's comparable to wall chargers
2014-06-26T14:57:10 < zyp> and twice what you'd get from hooking it to the usb port of a computer
2014-06-26T14:57:17 < Tectu_> also, about the camera... half the world tells me that n5 camera is fucking insane quality and the other half tells me it's the most crappy camera ever. It's not that I care, but what is it
2014-06-26T14:57:52 < zyp> who cares? are you going to snapchat all your meals?
2014-06-26T14:58:12 < zyp> (isn't that what it's called nowadays)
2014-06-26T14:59:18 < Tectu_> no idea what snapchat even is
2014-06-26T14:59:26 < Tectu_> I'm not a camera person hence I said I don't care
2014-06-26T14:59:35 < Tectu_> I just bother when people tell different stories all teh time
2014-06-26T15:00:04 < Tectu_> can somebody (zyp) tell me something about gorilla glas?
2014-06-26T15:00:10 < Tectu_> my z10 has no "special glass" at all
2014-06-26T15:00:14 < Tectu_> is that really that fancy?
2014-06-26T15:00:20 < Tectu_> it's just scratch resitant?
2014-06-26T15:00:23 < zyp> dunno, I never cared
2014-06-26T15:01:51 < Tectu_> zyp: do you have some foil over it?
2014-06-26T15:01:55 < Tectu_> or do you use some cover?
2014-06-26T15:02:21 < zyp> no and no
2014-06-26T15:04:05 < dongs> Tectu_: two
2014-06-26T15:04:23 < zyp> unless you count my pocket as a cover
2014-06-26T15:04:25 < Tectu_> zyp: so no scratchy issues?
2014-06-26T15:04:46 < zyp> from what?
2014-06-26T15:04:47 < dongs> my nexus5 and nexus7 both got scratches on them
2014-06-26T15:04:49 < dongs> from normal use
2014-06-26T15:05:08 < zyp> I keep keys and other shit in a different pocket from the phone
2014-06-26T15:05:09 < Tectu_> probably just take STM32F439 and uGFX and build my own phone
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2014-06-26T15:05:15 < Tectu_> zyp: same here
2014-06-26T15:05:21 < zyp> it's not developing scratches by itself without anything scratching it
2014-06-26T15:05:29 < Tectu_> dongs: how scratchy are those scratches?
2014-06-26T15:05:30 < zyp> so I'm not sure what you're asking :p
2014-06-26T15:05:49 < Tectu_> dongs: how do they develop :D
2014-06-26T15:06:23 < dongs> no idea
2014-06-26T15:06:25 < dongs> one is liek 1cm long
2014-06-26T15:06:29 < dongs> right in the center of the screen
2014-06-26T15:06:33 < dongs> and its annoying
2014-06-26T15:06:40 < dongs> anyway, not anymore, since i got the htc.
2014-06-26T15:06:54 < dongs> however i saw a pal with "anti-glare" screen protector
2014-06-26T15:07:05 < dongs> whcih adds matte-like surface
2014-06-26T15:07:07 < dongs> and that shit was amaze
2014-06-26T15:07:10 < dongs> i need to find oen for myself
2014-06-26T15:11:06 < Tectu_> also, the camera "comes out" at the back?!
2014-06-26T15:11:16 < Tectu_> so when you place it somewhere on the table it's already getting scratched?
2014-06-26T15:11:21 < dongs> n5?
2014-06-26T15:11:43 < dongs> any standard case that you'll get from it will be thicker than camera extrusion
2014-06-26T15:11:47 < dongs> so thats not a big deal
2014-06-26T15:15:41 < Tectu_> I don't do cases
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2014-06-26T15:18:16 < Tectu_> this sucks, I still cannot decide -.-
2014-06-26T15:18:20 < Tectu_> fuck everything
2014-06-26T15:18:25 < Tectu_> why is android so crappy
2014-06-26T15:18:27 < Tectu_> android sucks arse
2014-06-26T15:20:14 < PaulFertser> Get a WP device then ;)
2014-06-26T15:21:30 < dongs> hahah it seems i missed some trolling
2014-06-26T15:21:33 < dongs> google released assdroid watch
2014-06-26T15:21:35 < dongs> yesterday
2014-06-26T15:21:40 < Thorn> get a siemens ax75
2014-06-26T15:21:41 < dongs> time to check neptunepine comments
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2014-06-26T15:36:06 < zyp> dongs, yeah, my friends were talking about it this morning, so apparently I ordered one
2014-06-26T15:36:12 < zyp> dunno wtf I'll do with it
2014-06-26T15:42:02 < dongs> its bound to fail, since android is garbage
2014-06-26T15:42:13 < dongs> nothing mentioning google watch in neptune comments :(
2014-06-26T15:42:16 < dongs> maybe they're still waking up
2014-06-26T15:42:30 < dongs> how they paid $299 for a piece of shit chinese assdroid clone w/o google pla and android 4.01
2014-06-26T15:42:35 < dongs> and it still hasnt delivered
2014-06-26T15:42:38 < dongs> and not gonna be IP67 etc
2014-06-26T15:42:41 < dongs> > smartwatch
2014-06-26T15:42:43 < dongs> > not waterproof
2014-06-26T15:49:07 < Tectu_> what qi charger does zyp use?
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2014-06-26T15:55:34 < dongs> he uses the same awesome one i got
2014-06-26T15:55:37 < dongs> panasonic chargepad
2014-06-26T15:55:51 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-QE-TM101-K-Black-Wireless-Charger/dp/B0051R4ECM
2014-06-26T15:56:30 < dongs> http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/kindle/dp/2014/S/feature-hero._V349431210_.jpg
2014-06-26T15:56:34 < dongs> what the fuck
2014-06-26T15:56:35 < dongs> does that have liek 5 cameras
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2014-06-26T16:04:59 < Tectu_> dongs: what's so awesome about it?
2014-06-26T16:06:39 < dongs> its just is
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2014-06-26T16:28:58 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/320789445881
2014-06-26T16:29:04 < dongs> is this a standard headphone jack pattern?
2014-06-26T16:29:13 < dongs> i saw a bunch of CUI shits w/those pinout
2014-06-26T16:29:15 < dongs> on digikey
2014-06-26T16:29:35 < SlaveToTheSauce> more standard than ethernet jacks :V
2014-06-26T16:31:32 < dongs> http://www.cui.com/product/resource/sj1-353xng.pdf i.e. this shit
2014-06-26T16:32:19 < dongs> i thought the jack on f4disco was 5 pin but its only 3
2014-06-26T16:32:20 < dongs> chapfucks
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2014-06-26T16:51:25 < Thorn> does dicktrace have any kind of changelog
2014-06-26T16:51:37 < Thorn> "small overall fixes and optimizations" ok
2014-06-26T16:51:45 < dongs> yeah its kinda useless.
2014-06-26T16:51:51 < dongs> you can check bugtracker for some stuff that gets fixed.
2014-06-26T16:55:17  * dongs checks emeb_mac's audio proj for headphone pattern
2014-06-26T16:55:33 < emeb_mac> I didn't use those jacks
2014-06-26T16:55:42 < dongs> hmm you used fat ones
2014-06-26T16:55:48 < dongs> but ive seen those before too.
2014-06-26T16:56:06 < emeb_mac> they're kind of a pain
2014-06-26T16:56:08 < SlaveToTheSauce> use xlr
2014-06-26T16:57:57 < dongs> emeb_mac: why so
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2014-06-26T16:58:55 < emeb_mac> there's a lobe of the housing that dips below the main surface so you need to cutout a clearance in the board edge for it
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2014-06-26T16:59:38 < emeb_mac> see the black outline notches on the right edge of the board here -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/stm32f4_codec_v2/index.html
2014-06-26T16:59:48 < dongs> ah
2014-06-26T16:59:50 < dongs> wtf
2014-06-26T17:00:00 < dongs> what about teh shit in center
2014-06-26T17:00:01 < dongs> is that pins
2014-06-26T17:00:02 < dongs> or like
2014-06-26T17:00:10 < dongs> centering pegs
2014-06-26T17:00:28 < emeb_mac> ya
2014-06-26T17:00:55 < emeb_mac> didn't bother to do unplated holes
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2014-06-26T17:02:45 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291036488085 another one with cui pinout
2014-06-26T17:02:52 < karlp> also, slots. so you need to be real pro, not like people who can only do holes
2014-06-26T17:03:15 < dongs> slots for mine?
2014-06-26T17:03:21 < karlp> yeah, look at those pins
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2014-06-26T17:03:34 < dongs> sure, but im sure even datasheet says do holes
2014-06-26T17:03:41 < karlp> not the ones I bought
2014-06-26T17:03:55 < dongs> o ya pcb layout is slots
2014-06-26T17:03:57 < dongs> hokay
2014-06-26T17:03:59 < dongs> wel, thats not an issue for me
2014-06-26T17:04:02 < karlp> and the overlap and ring size to get them into holes is... reallllllly close
2014-06-26T17:04:07 < karlp> yeah, you're real pro, slots are fine :)
2014-06-26T17:04:22 < dongs> oh youre right
2014-06-26T17:04:25 < dongs> pins 1/2 and 3/5
2014-06-26T17:04:28 < karlp> yup
2014-06-26T17:04:31 < dongs> are too close for rounded shit
2014-06-26T17:04:39 < karlp> that's why I have a little pile of them => wortheless
2014-06-26T17:04:50 < karlp> but they sure were cheap!
2014-06-26T17:04:58 < dongs> thats the idea. super cheap
2014-06-26T17:05:05 < dongs> i want them in pink, too
2014-06-26T17:05:17 < dongs> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQ5MVgxNjAw/z/enMAAOxyZzlTdG2p/$_57.JPG
2014-06-26T17:05:51 < karlp> digikey had them super cheap, in all sorts of colours, different colours were different prices too
2014-06-26T17:06:05 < dongs> they're all CUI right?
2014-06-26T17:06:09  * karlp shrugs
2014-06-26T17:06:09 < dongs> cuz thats all I saw in that style
2014-06-26T17:06:15 < karlp> I don't remember vendor name, let me look
2014-06-26T17:06:28 < dongs> there was a lso switchcraft and some otehr shit, but like 90% was cui
2014-06-26T17:06:40 < karlp> nah, kycon sells them too
2014-06-26T17:07:15 < karlp> got a little baggy here, 806-stx-31505n701c
2014-06-26T17:07:29 < karlp> looks like I got these at mouser
2014-06-26T17:08:03 < dongs> according to mouser, they're OK drilled.
2014-06-26T17:09:01 < dongs> but yea looks real close. maybe have to 45" pad rings and make them oval
2014-06-26T17:09:16 < karlp> well, I did this ~3-4 years ago, and got boards at olimex (yay!) and my pcb skills were only what I'd remembered since uni, and drilling them failed for me,
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2014-06-26T17:12:40 < dongs> http://blue-sources.com.tw/pic/download/PJ3025C-X.pdf
2014-06-26T17:12:43 < dongs> looks like this'll do
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2014-06-26T17:17:57 < karlp> love the green!
2014-06-26T17:19:11 < Thorn> need plated slots for it, pins are too close together for round holes
2014-06-26T17:19:39 < dongs> we just discussed this
2014-06-26T17:19:41 < dongs> like 10 lines above
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2014-06-26T17:41:48 < scrts_w> http://s1.15cdn.lt/images/photos/621785/big/pasaulio-futbolo-cempionato-simbolis-53ac129eb84ad.jpg
2014-06-26T17:46:12 < dongs> god damn
2014-06-26T17:46:19 < dongs> i forgot to uncheck some shit when dlownloading latest MDK
2014-06-26T17:46:24 < dongs> already got TWO spams from keil
2014-06-26T17:46:44 < karlp> st seems to have forgotten about me, I used to get spam, now I don't
2014-06-26T17:51:25 < dongs> i get mems news and some mcu news sometimes
2014-06-26T17:51:27 < dongs> not a lot
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2014-06-26T18:12:41 < Tectu_> I ordered the n5 now
2014-06-26T18:12:47 < Tectu_> let's hope that zyp will buy me a qi station
2014-06-26T18:16:51 < dongs> meh between fapping and trolling, finished headphone pattern
2014-06-26T18:16:59 < dongs> hm gonna try to addd 3d body to it
2014-06-26T18:17:05 < dongs> including protruding jack part
2014-06-26T18:18:14 < Laurenceb_> thats what she said
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2014-06-26T18:20:20 < Tectu_> what are you doing, dongs
2014-06-26T18:21:07 < dongs> done.
2014-06-26T18:21:08 < dongs> not bad.
2014-06-26T18:21:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1oYjmIX.png
2014-06-26T18:23:13 < dongs> hm i should probably put the protruding part on mechanical layer and not silk
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2014-06-26T18:25:56 < dongs> and in pink ;d
2014-06-26T18:26:50 < Tectu_> dongs does 3D crap?
2014-06-26T18:27:05 < dongs> wat, its altium parts designer
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2014-06-26T18:34:22 < Tectu_> don't do that
2014-06-26T18:34:39 < dongs> improved it a bit http://i.imgur.com/35keqBL.png
2014-06-26T18:34:59 < dongs> almost as good as http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQ5MVgxNjAw/z/enMAAOxyZzlTdG2p/$_57.JPG
2014-06-26T18:35:45 < emeb> so realism!
2014-06-26T18:36:16 < dongs> hey, apparently i can hve altium drc if it detects parts collision
2014-06-26T18:36:28 < dongs> like, even under that jack protrusion
2014-06-26T18:36:34 < dongs> it calculates stuff in 3d.
2014-06-26T18:36:45 < fbs> else 3d would be kinda useless
2014-06-26T18:37:17 < dongs> no way
2014-06-26T18:37:23 < dongs> i wanna preview my arduino shield in 3d.
2014-06-26T18:37:30 < emeb> Danger Will Robinson! Your pinks are colliding!
2014-06-26T18:37:31 < Tectu_> dongs, use ultra fancy KiCAD
2014-06-26T18:37:42 < dongs> fuck kikecad
2014-06-26T18:37:52 < dongs> do tehy have working copper pours and drc yet???
2014-06-26T18:38:55 < emeb> KiCAD actually has pretty good copper pours
2014-06-26T18:39:04 < emeb> has had for quite some time...
2014-06-26T18:41:45 < Tectu_> and they have 'push'n'shove' feature now
2014-06-26T18:41:52 < Tectu_> implemented by the swiss, of course :-P
2014-06-26T18:42:00 < Tectu_> CERN that is
2014-06-26T18:42:07 < dongs> yeah, cern has been pouring some freetime into that shit
2014-06-26T18:42:08 < dongs> no idea why
2014-06-26T18:42:14 < synic> well, they sort of have pushnshove :)
2014-06-26T18:42:16 < emeb> CERN uses it? kewl!
2014-06-26T18:42:23 < synic> cern develops for it
2014-06-26T18:42:32 < Tectu_> emeb: CERN is now active developer
2014-06-26T18:42:39 < dongs> why dont tehy just buy a couple altium licenses
2014-06-26T18:42:43 < Tectu_> synic: http://cernandsociety.web.cern.ch/technology/kicad-development
2014-06-26T18:42:47 < dongs> its certianly cheaper than paying people to write free shit
2014-06-26T18:42:48 < Tectu_> dongs: http://cernandsociety.web.cern.ch/technology/kicad-development
2014-06-26T18:42:57 < emeb> I did a project in KiCAD a few years back - it was pretty nice on Linux. Not great on Win / Mac though.
2014-06-26T18:43:42 < synic> Tectu_: oh nice, I will be donating.  I love the pushnshove feature, they just need to finish it
2014-06-26T18:44:07 < emeb> actually, Diptrace reminds me an awful lot of KiCAD. A lot of the same UI features.
2014-06-26T18:44:22 < Tectu_> synic: I didn't try it yet.
2014-06-26T18:44:33 < Tectu_> synic: I'd totally donate if I'd have some money.... But I thank you for doing it, really.
2014-06-26T18:44:36 < synic> it's a bit crashy, and you have to use the opengl mode for now
2014-06-26T18:44:46 < Tectu_> synic: what's bad about OpenGL mode?
2014-06-26T18:45:01 < synic> well, nothing, except opengl mode doesn't support all the features from the other modes
2014-06-26T18:45:07 < synic> they just need to combine them
2014-06-26T18:45:08 < dongs> why would you use anything OTHER than opengl / directx for pcb rendering
2014-06-26T18:45:28 < Tectu_> synic: yes, what is the alternative to OpenGL? o.O
2014-06-26T18:45:35 < dongs> Reaching a target of...	Would allow developers to...
2014-06-26T18:45:35 < dongs> .150,000	Make Kicad usable for very complex Printed Circuit Board designs with acceptable productivity.
2014-06-26T18:45:43 < dongs> 150k eur wouldalso buy you enough altium licenses
2014-06-26T18:45:51 < dongs> for a whole bunch of designersr
2014-06-26T18:45:52 < synic> um, there's two.  One is "default", I have no idea what it is, but it's the one that has all the features *except* push n shove
2014-06-26T18:46:02 < Tectu_> dongs: stop it.
2014-06-26T18:46:09 < Tectu_> synic: interesting
2014-06-26T18:46:25 < Tectu_> synic: anyway, I have to give push'n'shove a try in the next few weeks when I do my next PCB. Was it hard to get it compiled?
2014-06-26T18:46:28 < synic> oh wait, there's three.  Also Cairo
2014-06-26T18:46:38 < Tectu_> ah, Cairo.
2014-06-26T18:46:39 < synic> no, it was pretty easy.
2014-06-26T18:46:49 < Tectu_> I already see my i7 ultrabook burning...
2014-06-26T18:47:03 < synic> haha, I did end up overheating my thinkpad while compiling it
2014-06-26T18:47:33 < Tectu_> same issue here :D
2014-06-26T18:47:45 < Tectu_> and I have one of those new super slim  Thinkpad Yoga models
2014-06-26T18:47:49 < Tectu_> compiling is no fun there
2014-06-26T18:51:53 < dongs> Study ergonomics of various commercial/proprietary PCB applications (when in doubt about any particular UI solution, check how it has been done in a certain proprietary app that is very popular among OSHW folks and do exactly opposite).
2014-06-26T18:51:57 < dongs> hahaha
2014-06-26T18:52:50 < dongs> of course by "certain proprietary app" they mean eagle
2014-06-26T18:52:58 < dongs> so the opposite comment is probly not too far off
2014-06-26T18:59:46 < Steffanx> Too bad kicad still doesnt work properly on os x
2014-06-26T19:00:31 < Steffanx> maybe i have to blame wxwidgets for that
2014-06-26T19:01:39 < SlaveToTheSauce> dicktrace works quite nicely in wine
2014-06-26T19:02:25 < Steffanx> yeah, it surely preforms better than kicad :P
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2014-06-26T19:14:28 < Tectu_> wtf...      char* msg = "Dongs sucks arse";    sizeof(msg) returns 4   ?!
2014-06-26T19:15:26 < Steffanx> pointer..
2014-06-26T19:16:14 < Tectu_> fuck you -.-'
2014-06-26T19:16:17 < Tectu_> thank you very much
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2014-06-26T19:16:30 < Tectu_> I hope that nobody logs that one
2014-06-26T19:16:41 < Steffanx> Ask jpa- to remove the line
2014-06-26T19:17:15 < Tectu_> jpa-: remove the line please
2014-06-26T19:18:30 < effractur> does someone know a fpga with +15V/-15V tolerant inputs?
2014-06-26T19:19:05 < Tectu_> one definitely wanted to use strlen() instead of sizeof()
2014-06-26T19:19:11 < Tectu_> effractur: such a thing does not exist, I guess
2014-06-26T19:19:13 < Tectu_> or hope
2014-06-26T19:19:24 < effractur> mmk
2014-06-26T19:20:29 < effractur> and what would be the most easy way to create a switch array for a rs232 input
2014-06-26T19:20:36 < Steffanx> you know you highlighted dongs in that fail. I think you made him happy now, Tectu_ :P
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2014-06-26T19:41:15 < jpa-> effractur: many FPGAs with internal ESD diodes will tolerate that with a 100k series resistor, but it isn't very good design even so
2014-06-26T19:42:18 < SlaveToTheSauce> pff add a couple zeners and call it a day
2014-06-26T19:42:52 < emeb> wow, +/-15V is a bit extreme.
2014-06-26T19:43:58 < emeb> I remember Peter Alfke (RIP) suggesting a 10k series resistor for 5V tolerance. I wouldn't try that trick with higher voltage though
2014-06-26T19:44:17 < emeb> especially negative voltages. You're getting dangerously close to latchup territory there.
2014-06-26T19:44:17 < jpa-> what difference would the voltage make?
2014-06-26T19:44:35 < jpa-> if you adjust the resistor so that the current is the same
2014-06-26T19:44:45 < jpa-> but yeah, negative is more problematic
2014-06-26T19:44:50 < effractur> jpa-: mm y but i still need to feed it to a rs232 to uart
2014-06-26T19:45:19 < SlaveToTheSauce> so use a real transceiver
2014-06-26T19:45:27 < emeb> +1
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2014-06-26T19:45:30 < jpa-> yep
2014-06-26T19:45:37 < effractur> y but i want to swap the lines
2014-06-26T19:45:44 < jpa-> what does that matter?
2014-06-26T19:46:08 < effractur> well some devices use different pin layouts for there rs232 connection
2014-06-26T19:46:31 < jpa-> so?
2014-06-26T19:46:57 < effractur> i want to be able to use one cable and dynamicly switch the pinlayout
2014-06-26T19:47:14 < emeb> so do it right and use an analog mux.
2014-06-26T19:47:22 < jpa-> so you want a tranceiver that has enable pin
2014-06-26T19:47:39 < jpa-> then you just hook up the transmit and receive in parallel, and disable the transmit when not needed
2014-06-26T19:47:53 < effractur> well i want to be able to switch all 8 pins
2014-06-26T19:48:02 < effractur> not only tx and rx
2014-06-26T19:48:06 < trepidaciousMBR> Tectu_: Nexus 5 battery life is fine, not great but it lasts a day for me, easily
2014-06-26T19:48:20 < jpa-> effractur: no matter what you do, you need a transceiver to get +-15V on output
2014-06-26T19:48:27 < jpa-> the RX side is simple compared to that
2014-06-26T19:49:08 < effractur> y i know
2014-06-26T19:49:26 < Tectu_> trepidaciousMBR: thank you very much. That's all I need!
2014-06-26T19:49:38 < Tectu_> trepidaciousMBR: but wtf, you read logs? :o
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2014-06-26T19:50:06 < jpa-> effractur: maybe http://www.analog.com/en/switchesmultiplexers/analog-crosspoint-switches/ad75019/products/product.html  though that is +-12V only
2014-06-26T19:50:48 < effractur> a that looks usefull
2014-06-26T19:50:57 < effractur> and i can drop the rs232 to ~12V
2014-06-26T19:51:12 < effractur> that is still conforming the spec
2014-06-26T19:52:19 < effractur> :D
2014-06-26T19:55:32 < trepidaciousMBR> Tectu_: Heh yeah ;) It just happened to be at the top of my history, I was looking back to see if anyone had responded to something I said
2014-06-26T19:55:46 < trepidaciousMBR> Tectu_: I really rather like my Nexus 5, especially for the price
2014-06-26T19:56:03 < trepidaciousMBR> Might get cheaper if they DO release another Nexus phone, but it doesn't seem like they are going to :(
2014-06-26T19:56:10 < emeb> someone posted a link recently with N5 refurbs for $129?
2014-06-26T19:58:19 < trepidaciousMBR> Wow
2014-06-26T19:58:37 < trepidaciousMBR> The other cheap option is the Moto SomeLetter, G or E?
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2014-06-26T20:30:04 < Thorn> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7501808
2014-06-26T20:30:09 < Thorn> >Using CircuitHub’s “Part Rank” the community decides which parts should be used. When all of the designers are using the same 10K resistor or Atmel chip, we can buy 10,000 of them instead of just 6 for your project alone.
2014-06-26T20:31:25 < Thorn> we need our own part rating. "lm1234: rated 5 dongs by ##stm32"
2014-06-26T20:44:21 < Steffanx> Write a website for it Thorn .. use python
2014-06-26T20:44:25 < Steffanx> host it on lunix.
2014-06-26T20:44:37 < Steffanx> in best korea
2014-06-26T20:44:57 < Thorn> I'll need a dong icon
2014-06-26T20:59:57 < madist> that should not be hard to find
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2014-06-26T21:13:08 < Steffanx> Find a photo of beaky
2014-06-26T21:14:20 < Laurenceb_> or RMS
2014-06-26T21:14:51 < Steffanx> Too easy.
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2014-06-26T21:36:37 < aadamson> you guys are too funny ^^^ :)
2014-06-26T21:36:52 < aadamson> and OMG, I *DON'T* want to see the icon of dongs!!!
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2014-06-26T21:42:25 < Thorn> too bad, I found a good one
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2014-06-26T23:27:24 < aadamson> anyone upgraded to diptrace 2.4.0.1 from the 2.3.5 beta?  any issues with doing so?
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2014-06-26T23:28:34 < Thorn> I did, looks ok
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2014-06-26T23:29:27 < aadamson> any compat problems with stuff done in 2.3.5?
2014-06-26T23:30:10 < Thorn> no problems with projects saved in previous versions (most likely even earlier than that)
2014-06-26T23:30:52 < aadamson> ah good... ok, I think I'll upgrade (carefully ) :)
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2014-06-27T01:22:53 < Steffanx> i now understand why it's so quiet.. Laurenceb joined #stm32 :D :D
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2014-06-27T01:36:50 < Steffanx> haha, i won't tell them it took 3 kicks to help you figure out it was #stm32 :P
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2014-06-27T02:25:40 < upgrdman> karlp: have not used qp. i just stumbled upon his videos when looking for stuff on CMSIS, and his videos seemed very well put together.
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2014-06-27T05:12:50 < upgrdman> nice.... http://www.amazon.com/Sinometer-Single-Channel-Oscilloscope-CQ5010C/dp/B000CCILTS/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1403835033&sr=8-12&keywords=oscilloscope
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2014-06-27T05:29:34 < dongs> nice? more like garbage
2014-06-27T05:33:09 < emeb_mac> \o/ SDIO + FatFS working on an F405
2014-06-27T05:33:25 < zyp> nice
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2014-06-27T05:37:03 < emeb_mac> need to test more - so far I'm just reading a directory
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2014-06-27T05:55:26 < dongs> oh wow
2014-06-27T05:55:28 < dongs> lunix rant incoming
2014-06-27T05:55:43 < dongs> so apparently you can't run another instance of apt-get if there's another one running and downloading a bunch of shit
2014-06-27T05:55:58 < dongs> so while youre wiating for the trash to download 500 megs of shit, you cant run another one to install a 10k app
2014-06-27T05:56:04 < dongs> way to fucking go, in 2014
2014-06-27T06:20:55 < GargantuaSauce> funny, my windows update hangs up for half an hour before starting to download anything
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2014-06-27T06:53:16 < emeb_mac> wat? dongs is farting around with a debian-based distro?
2014-06-27T06:55:12 < zyp> yeah, he said ubuntu is the way forward
2014-06-27T06:55:26 < zyp> and that he would have none of that windows bullshit anymore
2014-06-27T06:55:44 < emeb_mac> the apocalypse!
2014-06-27T07:02:45 < PaulFertser> dongs: you can sort of workaround that with "sudo postpone -df apt-get install whatever", that will wait for the first apt-get to finish. I agree that sucks (emerge in Gentoo doesn't have this limitation). OTOH in windows you can't run several "windows update" instances either.
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2014-06-27T08:05:35 < GargantuaSauce> 7
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2014-06-27T08:07:58 < dongs> > XP
2014-06-27T08:08:00 < dongs> > 2114
2014-06-27T08:08:02 < dongs> er, 2014
2014-06-27T08:08:12 < dongs> why hte fuck woudl anyone be using xp in 2014
2014-06-27T08:08:27 < GargantuaSauce> if youre using xp in 2114 there are real problems
2014-06-27T08:08:45 < Thorn> because old laptop for example?
2014-06-27T08:08:47 < dongs> if youre using XP post 2006 or so,, there are real problems
2014-06-27T08:09:00 < dongs> thorn, new laptop would be cheaper to run than one from 2000
2014-06-27T08:09:15 < dongs> in just the electricity it consumes
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2014-06-27T08:12:00 < GargantuaSauce> >modern delphi
2014-06-27T08:13:08 < dongs> hey, dicktrace also recently upgraded to "more modern delphi"
2014-06-27T08:13:17 < emeb_mac> delphi. meh
2014-06-27T08:13:36 < dongs> and altium is delphi :(
2014-06-27T08:13:44 < emeb_mac> har!
2014-06-27T08:13:45 < dongs> likes to crash inside DXscene.PAS
2014-06-27T08:15:54 < ds2> hey dongs, do you have any opinions of the tm-220A/tm-240A PNP's?
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2014-06-27T08:16:57 < dongs> the chinese garbage without cameras/etc?
2014-06-27T08:17:02 < dongs> joke, last i checked
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2014-06-27T08:18:02 < dongs> what exactly do you expect to assemble with a $3000 pnp?
2014-06-27T08:18:17 < dongs> it'll work for dropping 0805 chip caps/resistors on a board.
2014-06-27T08:18:19 < dongs> nothing beyond that.
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2014-06-27T08:18:46 < dongs> without vision it will be useless for anything except r/c
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2014-06-27T08:26:45 < ds2> yes, that trash
2014-06-27T08:26:53 < ds2> not even 0603 passives?
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2014-06-27T08:30:32 < dongs> sure, i mena, if thats all you want to use it for
2014-06-27T08:30:35 < dongs> whats your usecase?
2014-06-27T08:30:50 < dongs> just as chipshooter, but then it's slow and shit evne for that
2014-06-27T08:38:52 < dongs> are you trying to say im polishing knobs or somethign
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2014-06-27T08:57:19 < emeb_mac> Diptrace 2.4.0.1 running on Mac OS. Looks fine
2014-06-27T08:58:27 < dongs> is that new?
2014-06-27T08:58:37 < emeb_mac> as of about 2 days ago
2014-06-27T08:59:03 < ds2> something that will free me up from placing multiuse passives on a dev build
2014-06-27T08:59:29 < ds2> it is tedious placing all the 0's, etc
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2014-06-27T09:01:00 < emeb_mac> is it worth $3600 though?
2014-06-27T09:02:34 < jpa-> could be just simpler to order PCBA services from some company
2014-06-27T09:02:58 < dongs> unless your actual job is placing passives, i doubt its worth it
2014-06-27T09:03:11 < dongs> the setup time + dealing with it being a complete piece of shit is not worth the frustration
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2014-06-27T09:04:54 < dongs> i mean my machine is 30k+ ~7k worth of feeders, and i fucking hate it, and i actually use it for work
2014-06-27T09:05:10 < dongs> i think it starts being usable pnp at around 100k+ price
2014-06-27T09:11:58 < englishman> dongs http://i.imgur.com/IUnZiAX.png http://i.imgur.com/O7uxtYF.png?1
2014-06-27T09:12:09 < emeb_mac> man - that review on dangerous prototypes...
2014-06-27T09:12:20 < emeb_mac> all the skewed parts...
2014-06-27T09:12:21 < ds2> put it another way.... that's about 360hours of slave time
2014-06-27T09:13:15 < ds2> ideally, a machine that size... slower but with vision is more suited to what I want
2014-06-27T09:13:53 < ds2> if I can let something like that run overnight, that'd be great
2014-06-27T09:14:11 < ds2> (donno if solder paste will survive that long though :()
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2014-06-27T09:21:42 < dongs> it wont
2014-06-27T09:22:02 < dongs> englishman: time for hirespics for further innovation
2014-06-27T09:22:18 < englishman> yeah i took it apart and took lowres
2014-06-27T09:22:23 < englishman> got some pn
2014-06-27T09:22:30 < englishman> all the familiar family
2014-06-27T09:22:48 < dongs> more ilke dspic amirite
2014-06-27T09:22:54 < englishman> pic32
2014-06-27T09:22:56 < dongs> haha
2014-06-27T09:22:57 < dongs> such aids
2014-06-27T09:23:07 < emeb_mac> gah!
2014-06-27T09:23:12 < englishman> LMV324, 1883 syncsep, max4617
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2014-06-27T09:23:22  * emeb_mac tried to use PIC32 recently.
2014-06-27T09:23:37 < englishman> pic32mx695f
2014-06-27T09:23:59 < madist> still waiting for PIC64
2014-06-27T09:24:01 < dongs> ethernet mac
2014-06-27T09:24:05 < dongs> sold.
2014-06-27T09:24:13 < dongs> englishman: does it have rj45???
2014-06-27T09:24:18 < englishman> lol
2014-06-27T09:24:22 < emeb_mac> PIC64 will need 10x the flash to accomplish the same task as ARM
2014-06-27T09:24:51 < englishman> pic18 in the gps/mag unit
2014-06-27T09:24:53 < emeb_mac> dat pink redact
2014-06-27T09:25:06 < emeb_mac> englishman: true MCHP fan
2014-06-27T09:25:49 < dongs> englishman: so, nothing special for doing colorburst? interesting
2014-06-27T09:25:52  * emeb_mac likes dsPIC
2014-06-27T09:26:09 < englishman> nothing i saw
2014-06-27T09:26:13 < englishman> i need a microscope
2014-06-27T09:26:15 < dongs> i guess someonew asted a bunch of time to do it in asm
2014-06-27T09:26:21 < dongs> on 80mhz mips
2014-06-27T09:26:23 < englishman> 3 xtals on board
2014-06-27T09:26:35 < dongs> wheres pix
2014-06-27T09:26:44 < dongs> i wonder if color is per line maybe
2014-06-27T09:26:51 < dongs> or some other limitation
2014-06-27T09:26:53 < englishman> too low res to see anything
2014-06-27T09:27:10 < englishman> http://imgur.com/a/FJBnm
2014-06-27T09:27:49 < dongs> uh... mtkGPS??...
2014-06-27T09:27:50 < dongs> da fuq
2014-06-27T09:27:51 < dongs> in 2014
2014-06-27T09:27:53 < englishman> yep
2014-06-27T09:27:57 < englishman> i told them
2014-06-27T09:27:59 < englishman> wtf
2014-06-27T09:28:06 < dongs> holy shit those hc49 xtals
2014-06-27T09:28:24 < emeb_mac> conformal coating?
2014-06-27T09:28:26 < englishman> btw it also has voice audio output
2014-06-27T09:28:28 < emeb_mac> looks shiny
2014-06-27T09:28:37 < dongs> englishman: shrug, thats easy
2014-06-27T09:28:38 < englishman> probably flux, theres that baro there
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2014-06-27T09:30:48 < dongs> vry ugly
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2014-06-27T09:38:21 < dongs> englishman: is there some demo with moar colors
2014-06-27T09:38:22 < dongs> (video
2014-06-27T09:39:09 < englishman> dono
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2014-06-27T10:41:28 < xkonni> its connected to the FSMC1 bank...
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2014-06-27T10:43:09 < xkonni> thought it might be a good idea to just use the controller init to configure the gpios, but not certain if thats a good idea. maybe someone has a hint on how to proceed?
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2014-06-27T11:51:39 < Thorn> memory upgrade status: COMPLETE FAILURE
2014-06-27T11:53:20 < Thorn> but windows did start with nvidia drivers removed
2014-06-27T11:56:39 < PaulFertser> Why failure then?
2014-06-27T11:57:49 < Thorn> because nvidia drivers are sort of required
2014-06-27T12:00:11 < PaulFertser> Can you artificially limit the RAM? So windows would use 6Gb it deserves, and other OSs will happily handle 8?
2014-06-27T12:00:26 < dongs> what "other os" could possibly make use of 8gb?
2014-06-27T12:00:28 < dongs> surely not lunix
2014-06-27T12:01:36 < ABLomas> you can ofc
2014-06-27T12:02:22 < ABLomas> mem=xxx parm to linux kernel, or "maximum memory" option in msconfig => boot => advanced options
2014-06-27T12:02:44 < ABLomas> in windows (or just boot.ini in earlier versions, or bcmcfg, or... )
2014-06-27T12:03:12 < Thorn> I need 8GB in windows
2014-06-27T12:04:29 < madis_> bad RAM or bad nvidia driver ?
2014-06-27T12:04:38 < madis_> if it was a driver issue you'd have heard of it from others.
2014-06-27T12:04:53 < madis_> 8GB is nothing special. gamers run with more than that all the time.
2014-06-27T12:05:15 < scrts_w> or bad motherboard?
2014-06-27T12:05:25 < madis_> try swapping the RAM sticks around in the slots to see if the problem goes away ?
2014-06-27T12:05:44 < Thorn> ram is good (memtest86 says so), forums are full of stop 116 errors but usually intermittent rather than at boot
2014-06-27T12:05:50 < Thorn> did all that
2014-06-27T12:06:04 < scrts_w> Thorn: how long did you do memtest86 tests?
2014-06-27T12:06:24 < Thorn> ~2hrs
2014-06-27T12:06:38 < scrts_w> meh... that's nothing
2014-06-27T12:06:54 < madis_> tried BIOS settings for lower speed ?
2014-06-27T12:07:09 < scrts_w> we had it running for 48hrs and nothing appeared, then 48h with different temperatures (in a chamber) to get some failures...
2014-06-27T12:07:25 < madis_> was it ebay RAM ;)
2014-06-27T12:07:25 < Thorn> bad ram would lead to intermittent errors, this one is fully repeatable
2014-06-27T12:07:53 < madis_> repeatable does not mean it is not a RAM problem
2014-06-27T12:08:05 < scrts_w> could really be MB...
2014-06-27T12:08:27 < scrts_w> ASUS had some motherboards with 3 slots working fine, but when you fill all 4 - it didn't work
2014-06-27T12:08:55 < scrts_w> you can swap among 3 ones as much as you like, but going for 4 was a dead end
2014-06-27T12:09:12 < Thorn> anyway I exchanged that ddr2 for ddr3, now motherboard doesn't boot with one of the ddr3 modules installed (the other one is fine). so it's episode 2 now
2014-06-27T12:10:38 < Thorn> bios update time
2014-06-27T12:11:14 < qyx_> wait what
2014-06-27T12:11:23 < qyx_> how could you exchange ddr2 for ddr3?
2014-06-27T12:11:50 < qyx_> does your mb support both in different slots?
2014-06-27T12:11:55 < Thorn> yes
2014-06-27T12:12:31 < qyx_> i would assume you can't have both types populated
2014-06-27T12:13:25 < Thorn> no you can't
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2014-06-27T12:19:19 < Thorn> http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/faulty-usb-phone-charger-blamed-for-sheryl-aldeguers-death-20140627-zsoc8.html
2014-06-27T12:21:13 < Thorn> brb destroying bios
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2014-06-27T12:23:26 < qyx_> how could have both chargers isolation failed at the same time
2014-06-27T12:23:31 < qyx_> that picture doesn't make sense
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2014-06-27T12:48:02 < Thorn> status: fail
2014-06-27T12:50:45 < scrts_w> lol... really faulty MB?
2014-06-27T12:51:29 < Thorn> could well be a faulty or incompatible ddr3 module
2014-06-27T12:51:57 < Thorn> the one that doesn't work has ICs on one side only, the working one has them on both sides
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2014-06-27T12:52:55 < Thorn> even though they're supposed to be the same in capacity & timings
2014-06-27T12:53:23 < Laurenceb_> time for him to head back to mailorderbrides.com
2014-06-27T12:53:28 < Laurenceb_> maybe he can get a refund
2014-06-27T12:53:34 < Laurenceb_> under warranty
2014-06-27T12:53:56 < jpa-> yay, vacation
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2014-06-27T12:59:19 < rewolff> QYX: this happens if the laptop is "properly grounded", i.e. no fault in the laptop...
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2014-06-27T13:00:29 < Thorn> why no gfci
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2014-06-27T13:08:29 < jpa-> laptops are sometimes grounded, yeah
2014-06-27T13:09:03 < madist> I've seen laptops with 3 pin plugs to the adaptor, but never seen one with a ground wire from the adaptor to the laptop itself.
2014-06-27T13:09:26 < jpa-> they are not very common nowadays, atleast not around here
2014-06-27T13:09:41 < jpa-> instead now they consider it ok to put 120VAC (at tiny current) on the laptop chassis
2014-06-27T13:10:39 < madist> I'm very sensitive so I can sometimes feel that shock - which is supposed to be imperceptible. Then I have to get up and unplug, rotate the mains plug and put it back.
2014-06-27T13:10:56 < GargantuaSauce> i noticed it when i was in europe but not here
2014-06-27T13:11:48 < jpa-> on my laptop the aluminum body is anodized, so i don't feel it except if i touch some connector
2014-06-27T13:12:15 < jpa-> still can be annoying if working with grounded equipment, e.g. scope connected to some electronics connected to usb
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2014-06-27T13:13:28 < madist> I've considered buying an isolation transformer for my computers. Most of the time when I feel the shock its from dev boards plugged into the usb.
2014-06-27T13:14:29 < jpa-> 120 VAC at 10µA is plenty to fry a CMOS pin if it doesn't have ESD diodes
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2014-06-27T13:48:17 < Tectu_> playing with USB CDC class, dmesg suddenly shows me this
2014-06-27T13:48:19 < Tectu_> usb 1-3.1.4: Not enough bandwidth for altsetting 1
2014-06-27T13:48:21 < Tectu_> thefuck?
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2014-06-27T14:01:54 < zyp> you fucked up
2014-06-27T14:02:47 < zyp> either that or your hub sucks
2014-06-27T14:03:22 < Thorn> ok wtf looks like half of the ports on my usb hub are dead
2014-06-27T14:03:35 < Thorn> I'm blaming Tectu_
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2014-06-27T14:05:59 < GargantuaSauce> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7QUU1AQXfI4/U61NL6a6WBI/AAAAAAAAFcs/WbhEGV1skEE/w1239-h929-no/P1020568.JPG
2014-06-27T14:06:08 < GargantuaSauce> i bet the assembly people LOVED that
2014-06-27T14:07:45 < Steffanx> i blame your bios update
2014-06-27T14:07:46 < Thorn> it was unplugged during the update
2014-06-27T14:08:15 < Steffanx> heh
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2014-06-27T14:12:21 < Tectu_> GargantuaSauce: where the heck does that come from
2014-06-27T14:12:46 < GargantuaSauce> some compaq server obviously
2014-06-27T14:13:25 < Tectu_> but wtf
2014-06-27T14:13:31 < Tectu_> that's a NO NO
2014-06-27T14:13:48 < GargantuaSauce> more like a BEGRUDGINGLY OKAY
2014-06-27T14:15:32 < GargantuaSauce> it looks like there's room to move em left but i guess it wasn't in the cards for routing
2014-06-27T14:15:59 < Tectu_> "it wasn't in the cards for routing" ?
2014-06-27T14:17:11 < GargantuaSauce> poker expression i guess?
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2014-06-27T15:47:31 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/yuansong84/ifind-the-worlds-first-battery-free-item-locating
2014-06-27T15:47:34 < dongs> lol
2014-06-27T15:47:40 < dongs> funding suspended
2014-06-27T15:47:47 < Steffanx> Yes dont you love it?
2014-06-27T15:48:31 < Steffanx> http://kickscammed.com/ ...
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2014-06-27T16:05:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1351709250/oceanic-water-pressure-electriticy?ref=discovery
2014-06-27T16:07:42 < SlaveToTheSauce> ahahahah what
2014-06-27T16:08:17 < Laurenceb_> energy problems are all solved, didnt you hear?
2014-06-27T16:17:25 < Lux> such scam
2014-06-27T16:26:53 < dongs> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/have-sex-with-your-ipad-thanks-to-the-new-sex-toy-noone-asked-for-9568074.html finally, a use for ipad
2014-06-27T16:31:28 < SlaveToTheSauce> there's an app for that.
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2014-06-27T17:14:14 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvI28AMpZNQ
2014-06-27T17:14:29 < Thorn> >140V CMOS Op Amp
2014-06-27T17:16:53 < madist> 140V is not the world's highest voltage opamp
2014-06-27T17:17:01 < madist> Ampex makes 200V+ opamps.
2014-06-27T17:17:06 < madist> with 50A outputs.
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2014-06-27T17:27:20 < madist> that chip has 0.65mm pitch pins. can you safely apply 140V across 0.65mm ?
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2014-06-27T20:07:12 < emeb> interesting... SDIO on F4xx works with 1GB uSD, but getting dir is very slow with 4GB card
2014-06-27T20:07:47 < emeb> debugging shows that it's looping 64k tries getting the voltage window, finally errors out and then everything works fine.
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2014-06-27T20:23:07 < onr> can you compile c++11 for stm32? (requires gcc 4.7 and up)
2014-06-27T20:24:07 < karlp> yes. of course.
2014-06-27T20:24:28 < karlp> gcc-arm-embedded on launchpad is 4.8 atm iirc, and zyp's lax framework relies heavily on c++11 features
2014-06-27T20:26:23 < jpa-> i've been C++11 on STM32 for years now
2014-06-27T20:26:51 < onr> great, thanks
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2014-06-27T20:30:50 < onr> what does zyp's lax framework do btw? couldn't find about it on google
2014-06-27T20:31:42 < jpa-> it makes you drool, but yeah, it's google-visibility and documentation is very lacking
2014-06-27T20:31:47 < jpa-> *its
2014-06-27T20:31:48 < SlaveToTheSauce> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks
2014-06-27T20:34:33 < onr> hmm
2014-06-27T20:39:39 < Tectu_> did anybody ever use elm-chans FatFS with   _USE_LFN  ?
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2014-06-27T20:48:15 < emeb> Nope, always just _USE_LFN 0
2014-06-27T20:48:50 < Abhishek_> I did though.
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2014-06-27T20:59:39 < Tectu_> Abhishek_: did it work out of the box?
2014-06-27T20:59:44 < Tectu_> I have some issues with missing code
2014-06-27T20:59:50 < Abhishek_> it should
2014-06-27T20:59:51 < Abhishek_> ah
2014-06-27T21:00:12 < Abhishek_> yes, find the original FatFS sources
2014-06-27T21:00:24 < Abhishek_> ccsbcs.c or similar file is needed
2014-06-27T21:00:26 < Tectu_> well, theres /src/options
2014-06-27T21:00:27 < Tectu_> yes
2014-06-27T21:00:29 < Tectu_> but which one :D
2014-06-27T21:00:32 < Tectu_> http://elm-chan.org/fsw/ff/en/appnote.html
2014-06-27T21:00:47 < Tectu_> it is really confusing
2014-06-27T21:00:55 < Tectu_> when I include one, it throws an #error
2014-06-27T21:01:21 < Abhishek_> you could simply reimplement it with +/- 32 if the character is alphanumeric
2014-06-27T21:01:37 < Abhishek_> that's what I did to get it working on AVR stuff
2014-06-27T21:01:46 < Tectu_> 7
2014-06-27T21:01:55 < Tectu_> +/- 32?
2014-06-27T21:02:09 < Tectu_> well, I expect  _USE_LFN >= 2  to be working
2014-06-27T21:02:12 < Tectu_> but it is not :P
2014-06-27T21:02:21 < Tectu_> /home/tectu/projects/resources/ugfx/src/gfile/fatfs/src/option/ccsbcs.c:497:2: error: #error This file is not needed in current configuration. Remove from the project.
2014-06-27T21:02:51 < Tectu_> ah wait, there is option/unicode
2014-06-27T21:03:38 < Tectu_> never mind... I'm sorry, I didn't see the unicode one as it wasn't in the table
2014-06-27T21:04:05 < Abhishek_> unicode might be the wrong option
2014-06-27T21:04:20 < Tectu_> from the site I linked  "To enable it, set _USE_LFN to 1, 2 or 3, and add option/unicode.c to the project."
2014-06-27T21:04:30 < Abhishek_> I see
2014-06-27T21:05:00 < Abhishek_> set codepage to 1252
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2014-06-27T21:07:09 < Tectu_> it's awesome how he has japanese crap as default
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2014-06-27T21:08:48 < Tectu_> Abhishek_: for some reason I still just truncated names
2014-06-27T21:09:01 < Tectu_> it cuts off and does append  ~1
2014-06-27T21:09:21 < Abhishek_> it isn't enabled properly
2014-06-27T21:09:32 < Tectu_> indeed
2014-06-27T21:09:38 < Abhishek_> the moment you see the file names in small letters, you know it is working
2014-06-27T21:10:02 < Tectu_> interesting
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2014-06-27T21:37:37 < qyx_> Thorn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_rank
2014-06-27T21:38:38 < qyx_> may be the cause
2014-06-27T21:39:18 < Thorn> maybe, thanks for the info. I'm going to get that module exchanged anyway
2014-06-27T21:40:03 < Thorn> or at least try to, if they have what I need in stock
2014-06-27T21:44:00 < SlaveToTheSauce> i think a pretty valid rule of thumb is that it's a bad idea to use non-identical memory modules together
2014-06-27T21:44:39 < SlaveToTheSauce> i know a you can often get away with it when they're not ganged but it just strikes me as asking for trouble
2014-06-27T21:45:08 < Thorn> they were supposed to sell me identical ones
2014-06-27T21:48:14 < qyx_> another common issue might be the fact you are using mb with quite old dram controller
2014-06-27T21:48:36 < qyx_> if it supports both ddr2 and ddr3, it is probably one of the first mb's with ddr3
2014-06-27T21:48:52 < Thorn> it's from 2007
2014-06-27T21:48:59 < qyx_> so compatibility can be worse
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2014-06-27T23:20:16 < aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/DSCN2451.jpg - look dongs, no blue wires :)...
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2014-06-27T23:23:07 < SlaveToTheSauce> blue..inductors?
2014-06-27T23:23:23 < Thorn> obviously photoshopped
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2014-06-27T23:27:48 < aadamson> what are you talking about.
2014-06-27T23:27:56 < aadamson> those are indeed *blue* inductors
2014-06-27T23:28:11 < aadamson> order them for DK and see for yourself
2014-06-27T23:28:25 < aadamson> they look exactly like that
2014-06-27T23:28:54 < SlaveToTheSauce> is your sarcasm detector miscalibrated?
2014-06-27T23:29:03 < aadamson> yep probably :)
2014-06-27T23:29:12 < aadamson> what I get for coming back a bit after I posted :)
2014-06-27T23:29:54 < aadamson> at least they look better than the DK picture :) - http://media.digikey.com/photos/Murata%20Photos/LQW18A%20SERIES.jpg
2014-06-27T23:30:14 < SlaveToTheSauce> lol
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2014-06-28T00:01:41 < BullDoger> aadamson, Like me you leave the hardest bit to the end, usb connector
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2014-06-28T00:15:09 < aadamson> nah, usb is easy, I reflow that entire board, but usb is just there for debug, that is a flight ready set of boards and so all the non-essential parts were never placed... actually there is one inductor missing, but it will be here tomorrow
2014-06-28T00:15:10 < SlaveToTheSauce> what rf transceiver is that
2014-06-28T00:15:10 < aadamson> silab 4x63 (4463 in that case)
2014-06-28T00:15:10 < aadamson> LPF is tuned for 200mhz
2014-06-28T00:15:10 < aadamson> and I have a 434mhz version as well
2014-06-28T00:15:10 < aadamson> radio is freq agile from 142mhz to 1.05ghz
2014-06-28T00:15:11 < aadamson> if its a 40xx, it's TX only, a 44xx is tx/rx
2014-06-28T00:15:11 < aadamson> I couldn't get tx only chips so just put down the 4463 even tho that is tx only
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2014-06-28T04:14:56 < upgrdman> damn...  http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/298f24/rc_helicopter_stunt_pilot_19_partiallydecapitates/
2014-06-28T04:17:21 < zyp> wow
2014-06-28T04:17:33 < gnomad> that was the story from last fall in brooklyn
2014-06-28T04:17:58 < gnomad> not *another* heli injury.
2014-06-28T04:18:35 < dongs> sup blogs
2014-06-28T04:18:46 < gnomad> that guy didn't make it, btw.
2014-06-28T04:18:58 < zyp> no surprise, lokking at the pic
2014-06-28T04:18:59 < dongs> no surprise
2014-06-28T04:19:59 < gnomad> this guy survived: http://i.imgur.com/GmZX55I.jpg (nsfw)
2014-06-28T04:20:41 < gnomad> (more recent self-inflicted heli injury)
2014-06-28T04:21:18 < dongs> there was a  guy in NY or something recently-ish too
2014-06-28T04:21:20 < dongs> but there was no pix
2014-06-28T04:21:24 < upgrdman> damn
2014-06-28T04:21:27 < dongs> apparently that one actually did get decapitated
2014-06-28T04:21:39 < dongs> AND he had a gopro on his head going :(
2014-06-28T04:21:47 < dongs> leaking that would be awesome.
2014-06-28T04:21:51 < upgrdman> i used to fly 50-size nitro helis, but knew well enough to not fly too close
2014-06-28T04:22:17 < zyp> «So the moral of the story is save time and money and just stick your face in a lawnmower.»
2014-06-28T04:23:03 < upgrdman> or leisurely walk into a wood chipper
2014-06-28T04:25:56 < upgrdman> must be fun to debug these circuits   http://i.imgur.com/9uUALdc.jpg
2014-06-28T04:26:39 < zyp> why debug? just disconnect it, run a new wire and hook it up
2014-06-28T04:26:48 < zyp> I assume that's how it became like that in the first place
2014-06-28T04:27:25 < upgrdman> true
2014-06-28T04:27:45 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoZD9pczEVs
2014-06-28T04:28:04 < dongs> i remember i went somewehre and tehre was no fucking wires
2014-06-28T04:28:05 < dongs> anywhere
2014-06-28T04:28:06 < dongs> maybe HK?
2014-06-28T04:28:53 < upgrdman> wealthy area? in the usa many upper class cities do all wiring underground.
2014-06-28T04:30:04 < zyp> all new areas in norway do that too
2014-06-28T04:31:12 < zyp> you only see over ground wires in rural areas and old parts of towns
2014-06-28T04:32:02 < zyp> not counting high voltage distribution lines
2014-06-28T04:34:59 < dongs> hmm
2014-06-28T04:35:00 < dongs> 9months ago
2014-06-28T04:35:06 < dongs> there are commenters on teh vid talkin about him being dead
2014-06-28T04:35:10 < dongs> i wonder if its the same guy
2014-06-28T04:35:36 < dongs> http://nypost.com/2013/09/05/man-decapitated-by-remote-controlled-toy-helicopter/
2014-06-28T04:35:40 < dongs> this
2014-06-28T04:35:44 < dongs> oh
2014-06-28T04:35:45 < dongs> it IS the same guy
2014-06-28T04:35:53 < dongs> so the pic finally made it on some chink site
2014-06-28T04:37:29 < gnomad> upgrdman: nobody bothers to debug those circuits.  they just add a new wire.  ;-)
2014-06-28T04:37:40 < upgrdman> i can't blame them
2014-06-28T04:37:53 < upgrdman> i'd be like... fuck that. who's going to notice an extra wire...
2014-06-28T04:39:23 < Thorn> the last wire that broke all the poles on the street
2014-06-28T04:39:30 < Thorn> in a chain reaction
2014-06-28T04:39:36 < gnomad> I wonder what the accident report said in that fixed-wing crash.
2014-06-28T04:39:57 < upgrdman> anyone use some sort of holder for scope probes when not in use? seems like it would be nice to leave them plugged in, but mounted in some sort of holder on a wall when not in use.
2014-06-28T04:40:31 < upgrdman> a foam cable organizer or something might work
2014-06-28T04:40:34 < Thorn> http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20100819X52836&ntsbno=CEN10LA487&akey=1
2014-06-28T04:40:43 < gnomad> So, did you read about the maneuver the guy who killed himself was performing?
2014-06-28T04:40:58 < upgrdman> hmm, maybe this would work. should hold four probes if the size is right.   http://www.amazon.com/Foam-Separators-Pedicure-Manicure-Tool/dp/B00IV39770/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1403919509&sr=8-33&keywords=foam+toe+separators
2014-06-28T04:40:59 < gnomad> Thorn: thx!
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2014-06-28T04:41:42 < Thorn> (https://www.google.com/?q=ntsb+collision+with+rc)
2014-06-28T04:44:52 < dongs> upgrdman: haha
2014-06-28T04:45:08 < upgrdman> ya i know... but it looks like the right shape!
2014-06-28T04:45:21 < dongs> such bad review
2014-06-28T04:45:40 < upgrdman> :)
2014-06-28T04:46:56 < dongs> you should get it and then leave a 5star review saying how it was totally perfect for scope leads.
2014-06-28T04:47:04 < dongs> upgrdman: i just roll mine in a loop and put them on the shelf near the scope
2014-06-28T04:47:22 < upgrdman> ya. if i can't thing/find something better within a day i'll order them and see.
2014-06-28T04:47:37 < upgrdman> k
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2014-06-28T05:13:36 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTHWBSluUjU
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2014-06-28T05:16:33 < dongs> they definitely need a fire extinguuisher nearby
2014-06-28T05:18:14 < zyp> I've been tempted to get a jet engine like that and put it on my bicycle
2014-06-28T05:22:30 < GargantuaSauce> those are like $5k
2014-06-28T05:23:04 < zyp> yeah, that's why I haven't done it yet
2014-06-28T05:23:53 < GargantuaSauce> what annoys me is there don't seem to be any turboshafts in that size
2014-06-28T05:24:00 < GargantuaSauce> would make a mean multirotor
2014-06-28T05:24:51 < zyp> how would you drive the rotors?
2014-06-28T05:24:56 < zyp> variable pitch props?
2014-06-28T05:25:24 < GargantuaSauce> ya
2014-06-28T05:25:41 < dongs> what the fuck would you do with a turbine on a bicyucle
2014-06-28T05:25:44 < dongs> that sounds really dumb
2014-06-28T05:25:58 < dongs> is it to make it go faster???
2014-06-28T05:26:11 < Thorn> http://www.sme.org/uploadedImages/Publications/ME_Magazine/2009/January_09_Issue_Volume_142_No_1/11.pic1.jpg
2014-06-28T05:26:14 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVmJCyw4Itw this, obviously
2014-06-28T05:28:10 < Thorn> http://www.kutriebresearch.com/pt-50-gas-turbine-engine
2014-06-28T05:29:53 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGNgvdRcAs
2014-06-28T05:31:16 < GargantuaSauce> no combustion :(
2014-06-28T05:31:27 < GargantuaSauce> was excited for a sec
2014-06-28T05:32:18 < Thorn> >Step 3: Find a nitromethane RC style engine and build a header assembly that will route the exhaust pressure into the four turboprop assemblies evenly.
2014-06-28T05:32:59 < Thorn> using a glow plug engine as a gas generator?
2014-06-28T05:33:02 < Thorn> patent now
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2014-06-28T15:09:59 < dongs> what hte hell should I do with unused lineINs on that cirrus dac
2014-06-28T15:10:23 < dongs> it goes to gnd via cap on another board,  i wonder if thats even needed
2014-06-28T15:11:30 < dongs> time to see what it loks like on disco vboard
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2014-06-28T15:20:25 < dongs> hm
2014-06-28T15:20:28 < dongs> unused shit is just floating
2014-06-28T15:27:34 < dongs> less work 4 me
2014-06-28T15:31:20 < Thorn> what are you innovating
2014-06-28T15:32:18 < dongs> cloning innovation
2014-06-28T15:32:23 < dongs> (inovation of f4-discovery
2014-06-28T15:36:21 < Thorn> this quadrotor course is now going into group theory
2014-06-28T15:37:04 < Laurenceb> innovation tiem
2014-06-28T15:37:24 < Laurenceb> diversifying out portfolios
2014-06-28T15:37:39 < Laurenceb> touching base with the future
2014-06-28T15:37:58 < Laurenceb> the the social media
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2014-06-28T16:16:38 < Lux> Thorn: at your university, or something on the internets ?
2014-06-28T16:17:05 < Thorn>  edx.org
2014-06-28T16:18:06 < Lux>  AUTONAVx ?
2014-06-28T16:18:42 < Thorn> yes that's it
2014-06-28T16:19:10 < Lux> programming a quad in python :/
2014-06-28T16:20:19 < Thorn> the quad has onboard lunix
2014-06-28T16:20:43 < Lux> fancy stuff, is that a hacked parrot ar drone ?
2014-06-28T16:21:41 < Lux> seeing the introduction video-> yes
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2014-06-28T16:26:51 < dongs> grope theory
2014-06-28T16:27:59 < dongs> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/01/04/tokyo-woman-mugged-for-3000-yen-haggled-mugger-down-to-1000/ lol japs
2014-06-28T16:30:12 < zyp> haha
2014-06-28T16:31:21 < dongs> also how the fuck could anyone carry only 3k in their pocket
2014-06-28T16:31:54 < zyp> dunno in jp, in norway I never carry cash
2014-06-28T16:32:01 < dongs> obviously
2014-06-28T16:32:06 < dongs> specking strictly of jp
2014-06-28T16:32:10 < dongs> speaking
2014-06-28T16:33:44 < dongs> hm i wonder why f4disco keeps dac in reset by default (pulldown) instead of non-reset
2014-06-28T16:33:53 < dongs> so it doesnt interfere with other shit pins if you dont wanna use it?
2014-06-28T16:34:22 < zyp> probably
2014-06-28T16:34:32 < zyp> or so it doesn't float and consume power when not used
2014-06-28T16:35:29 < dongs> ah
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2014-06-28T16:35:38 < dongs> according to datasheet it has no internal pullups or downs
2014-06-28T16:35:48 < dongs> so it would indeed float
2014-06-28T16:36:14 < dongs> screw it, ill do same
2014-06-28T17:07:10 < dongs> hmm
2014-06-28T17:07:28 < dongs> routing -> routing corners rule is set to 45, i wonder if thats what fucks my rounded selection
2014-06-28T17:10:03 < Thorn> >brushless controllers: typically one microcontroller per motor
2014-06-28T17:10:07 < Thorn> what really?
2014-06-28T17:10:18 < dongs> uh of course
2014-06-28T17:10:52 < dongs> if youve got something shitty like avr, then it doesnt have enough cycles for software pwm/reading input/doing all the math/etc.
2014-06-28T17:11:03 < dongs> if you've got a proper mcu, you still need hardware timers/etc
2014-06-28T17:11:17 < dongs> you could use a 64pin F1 to drive 2 hbridges maybe, by using TIM1/TIM8
2014-06-28T17:11:38 < dongs> but why? if one half burns, you replace both :)
2014-06-28T17:13:18 < Thorn> >AC signal converter (MOSFET) to convert PWM to analogue output
2014-06-28T17:13:22 < Thorn> ugh wat
2014-06-28T17:13:31 < Thorn> LPF?
2014-06-28T17:14:59 < dongs> lolwut
2014-06-28T17:16:03 < Thorn> >consisting of a capacitor and a MOSFET chip
2014-06-28T17:16:07 < Thorn> ok
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2014-06-28T17:34:01 < dongs> hmm
2014-06-28T17:34:02 < dongs> nope
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2014-06-28T17:35:33 < dongs> heh, one of default via sizes in altidong is 10/4
2014-06-28T17:35:41 < dongs> 4 mil hole, 10mil via diameter
2014-06-28T17:36:05 < madist> anyone has used ST Visual Develop ? does it do anything interesting ?
2014-06-28T17:36:18 < dongs> its for STM8.
2014-06-28T17:36:24 < dongs> ive used it. works fine.
2014-06-28T17:37:11 < dongs> sdfklsjdflksdj
2014-06-28T17:38:14 < madist> its also for STM32 now
2014-06-28T17:38:20 < madist> I think ?
2014-06-28T17:38:40 < dongs> no.
2014-06-28T17:38:55 < dongs> it comes with stvisualprogrammer
2014-06-28T17:38:57 < dongs> which can be used for stm32
2014-06-28T17:38:59 < madist> ok
2014-06-28T17:39:08 < dongs> i dont think IDE does anything besides STM8 support via 2 commercial compliers
2014-06-28T17:39:17 < dongs> cosmic stm8 and raisonanse or osmething
2014-06-28T17:39:33 < madist> Its linked from the STM32F100 page. I guess I should have paid more attention.
2014-06-28T17:40:07 < dongs> STVDST Visual develop IDE for developing ST7 and STM8 applications
2014-06-28T17:40:39 < dongs> STVP ST Visual Programmer for programming ST7, STM8 and STM32
2014-06-28T17:41:05 < madist> hmm. I guess that's why its on the F100 page.
2014-06-28T17:41:12 < dongs> most likely.
2014-06-28T17:41:22 < dongs> but since it only supports stlink for flashing, its pretty useless
2014-06-28T17:41:30 < dongs> cuz i think stlink-util can also flahs?
2014-06-28T17:41:59 < madist> stlink utility can flash.
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2014-06-28T18:36:59 < mitsakos> hello! I'm trying to flash the demonstration of STM32F4 Discovery using st-flash on mac os. Is this correct? I'm running st-flash write binary.bin 0x08000000
2014-06-28T18:37:11 < dongs> the address looks right
2014-06-28T18:37:13 < dongs> no clue beyond that.
2014-06-28T18:38:05 < mitsakos> is that way of flashing correct? Because i see on the web that most of the users use GDB
2014-06-28T18:38:23 < dongs> most sane users use windows and a proper IDE
2014-06-28T18:39:30 < mitsakos> does gdb do something more than just flashing the flash?
2014-06-28T18:39:39 < dongs> i think it also debugs
2014-06-28T18:39:49 < mitsakos> i mean while flashing..
2014-06-28T18:39:55 < dongs> no?
2014-06-28T18:40:11 < mitsakos> so st-flash should work like gdb right?
2014-06-28T18:40:46 < Thorn> gdb can't flash by itself, it has tol use a programmer/debug adapter for that anyway
2014-06-28T18:43:13 < Thorn> that is, you still need software like openocd that provides a gdbserver
2014-06-28T18:44:14 < mitsakos> for debugging not for flashing right?
2014-06-28T18:44:37 < Thorn> for both
2014-06-28T18:45:29 < Thorn> said software may be able to program the chip on its own without gdb though
2014-06-28T18:48:51 < zyp> mitsakos, there's no significant difference between os x and linux in this sense
2014-06-28T18:48:56 < PaulFertser> mitsakos: openocd works for flashing and debugging just fine on os x.
2014-06-28T18:49:37 < PaulFertser> And it's trivial to install, just "brew install openocd".
2014-06-28T18:50:14 < PaulFertser> And then "openocd -f board/stm32f4discovery.cfg" and that's all, you can connect with gdb now and both flash and debug. Possibly using Eclipse or whatever.
2014-06-28T18:54:40 < mitsakos> PaulFertser i thought i would only use st-flash to flash the mcu
2014-06-28T18:54:48 < mitsakos> *could
2014-06-28T19:06:59 < PaulFertser> mitsakos: I hope now you do not.
2014-06-28T19:07:58 < PaulFertser> mitsakos: gdb sets $pc after flashing to the entry point, other than that, no, it doesn't do anything extra.
2014-06-28T19:08:34 < mitsakos> ok thank you!
2014-06-28T19:08:43 < PaulFertser> Welcome.
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2014-06-28T19:30:54 < Kliment> Hello, I'm trying to set up a periodic RTC alarm on an stm32f03xx. I set the RTC to output its alarm status to a pin, and it looks like said pin never goes low even though I am writing 0 to the ALRAF bit in RTC_ISR. What am I missing?
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2014-06-28T19:32:27 < Kliment> To clarify, I set up an alarm, ALRAF goes high, triggers interrupt (as it should) and I write a 0 into ALRAF in the interrupt handler. But ALRAF never goes low.
2014-06-28T19:33:27 < jpa-> any power saving modes happening in between?
2014-06-28T19:33:30 < Kliment> Nope
2014-06-28T19:34:31 < Kliment> Waking up from power saving is the reason I'm setting this alarm up, but I haven't got the actual wfi in there yet, so it's in run mode the entire time
2014-06-28T19:35:20 < jpa-> yeah, power saving disables the backup domain access IIRC, but shouldn't be happening otherwise
2014-06-28T19:38:05 < Kliment> The entirety of my interrupt handler is RTC_ISR &= (RTC_ISR_ALRAF); EXTI_PR = EXTI17;
2014-06-28T19:38:22 < Kliment> Oh, and the missing ~ is a typo
2014-06-28T19:38:33 < Kliment> So RTC_ISR &= ~(RTC_ISR_ALRAF); EXTI_PR = EXTI17;
2014-06-28T19:39:05 < Kliment> As far as I can tell that should clear the ALRAF flag (which is not write protected)
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2014-06-28T20:39:51 < aadamson> anyone have any ideas for a non-harmful way to remove a little solder mask so that I can solder to the poly under it?
2014-06-28T20:40:03 < aadamson> an exacto and scrape maybe?
2014-06-28T20:40:08 < jpa-> yes, knife
2014-06-28T20:42:22 < GargantuaSauce> i think dichloromethane is a good solvent for most solder masks also
2014-06-28T20:42:29 < GargantuaSauce> if you happen to have some of that
2014-06-28T20:42:38 < Kliment> It's also a good solvent for most people, unfortunately
2014-06-28T20:42:57 < GargantuaSauce> non-issue
2014-06-28T20:43:42 < Kliment> I'm still fighting with this f0
2014-06-28T20:45:20 < GargantuaSauce> i would suggest a diplomatic solution
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2014-06-28T20:46:00 < Kliment> GargantuaSauce: If you have any ideas, I would very much love to hear them
2014-06-28T20:46:00 < aadamson> ok, thanks, luckily this isn't a very large spot I need to take care of and the xacto works fine...
2014-06-28T20:46:17 < aadamson> some flux and solder hopefully and I'll be good as new :)
2014-06-28T20:48:27 < madist> I was under the impression UV cured solder mask is not soluble in anything
2014-06-28T20:48:37 < madist> GargantuaSauce: you're sure it dissolves in dichloromethane ?
2014-06-28T20:49:33 < GargantuaSauce> i have not empirically verified this but multiple sources state it so i am confident it's the case
2014-06-28T20:49:35 < madist> infact, I think I've tried dichloromethane and it didn't work.
2014-06-28T20:50:31 < GargantuaSauce> well I dunno then. pretty sure there are several very different formulations out there so perhaps only some subset is soluble
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2014-06-28T22:42:59 < Tectu_> jpa-, I know I already asked this some decades ago but I have to do it again... How would one meter his CPU load?
2014-06-28T22:43:17 < Tectu_> as in having a 0% to 100% output. Afaik it was something with counting idle task ticks?
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2014-06-28T22:45:18 < madist> use the on die temperature sensor
2014-06-28T22:45:19 < madist> ;)
2014-06-28T22:47:52 < Steffanx> no logs for Tectu_ ? :P
2014-06-28T22:47:57 < Steffanx> if you remember when it was
2014-06-28T22:50:17 < Tectu_> madist, LOL
2014-06-28T22:50:18 < Tectu_> Steffanx, no
2014-06-28T22:50:20 < Tectu_> Steffanx, to both
2014-06-28T22:50:21 < jpa-> Tectu_: yeah, basically i've used this in the idle task:   1. take current time from hardware timer  2. compare with previous time, if more than 1µs, add to busy time counter         and then just clear the busy time counter every one second or whatever period you want for cpu load reporting
2014-06-28T22:53:55 < Tectu_> I see
2014-06-28T22:54:06 < Tectu_> ChibiOS has idle task hooks when I remember correctly...
2014-06-28T22:54:10 < Tectu_> so this shoudl be fairly easy
2014-06-28T22:54:17 < jpa-> sure
2014-06-28T22:54:25 < Tectu_> jpa-, do you have code to share? It's for a private project.
2014-06-28T22:54:40 < Tectu_> so I don't feel the need to reinvent the wheel
2014-06-28T22:54:41 < jpa-> nah, i've only done it in a work project
2014-06-28T22:55:07 < qyx_> Tectu_: chibios has even some examples for that
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2014-06-28T22:55:27 < Tectu_> qyx_, oh nice. Where do I find that?
2014-06-28T22:55:27 < jpa-> do they take into account time used by interrupts?
2014-06-28T22:55:40 < jpa-> chibios has it's own per-thread time counter, but it is very inaccurate
2014-06-28T22:55:56 < qyx_> or maybe not but definitelly i was doing that in the past
2014-06-28T22:56:17 < Tectu_> qyx_, do you have any code to share? ;-)
2014-06-28T22:57:15 < jpa-> the "threads" command in chibios shell usually prints the time used by each thread
2014-06-28T22:57:26 < jpa-> but accuracy is questionable at best
2014-06-28T22:58:17 < qyx_> yep, i did use that
2014-06-28T22:58:35 < qyx_> Tectu_: see chRegFirstThread() and chRegNextThread()
2014-06-28T22:58:51 < Tectu_> I'll take a look, thanks people
2014-06-28T22:59:05 < qyx_> they return some struct which contains time consumed by each task
2014-06-28T22:59:15 < qyx_> i just summed them all and then computed %
2014-06-28T22:59:21 < qyx_> bad way of doing this
2014-06-28T23:00:11 < jpa-> the problem is that chibios only updates that count once per tick
2014-06-28T23:00:29 < jpa-> so if your thread is triggered by interrupt and takes less than 1 tick to run, it will always show 0%
2014-06-28T23:00:36 < qyx_> yep
2014-06-28T23:00:39 < Tectu_> hmm
2014-06-28T23:00:47 < Tectu_> not that important for a GUI and MP3 player I guess
2014-06-28T23:04:51 < GargantuaSauce> PaulFertser: so i finally got around to updating to git head of openocd. you were looking for feedback on fault tolerance awhile ago?
2014-06-28T23:05:19 < GargantuaSauce> works fine if i powercycle the target but not the stlink
2014-06-28T23:05:34 < GargantuaSauce> which i think is what you mentioned
2014-06-28T23:05:47 < PaulFertser> GargantuaSauce: yep. Thank you for testing.
2014-06-28T23:07:49 < GargantuaSauce> certainly would be nice if it did the same for the stlink but i guess i can make that happen easily with a udev rule
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2014-06-29T00:46:15 < Tectu_> zhttp://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6124273686.html
2014-06-29T00:47:13 < Tectu_> http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6124273686.html
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2014-06-29T00:48:57 < madist> who wouldn't want to roll out more ceremoniously or have their data frothier.
2014-06-29T01:00:24 < Steffanx> me
2014-06-29T01:01:12 < Tectu_> bed time, Steffanx
2014-06-29T01:01:51 < Steffanx> no its weeeeekend
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2014-06-29T01:09:48 < Tectu_> Steffanx, bed. now.
2014-06-29T01:09:55 < Tectu_> or I'll call your ISP
2014-06-29T01:12:54 < scrts> :)))
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2014-06-29T01:17:33 < Tectu_> type  /quit   to get free cookies
2014-06-29T01:18:38 < Steffanx> can i try /kick Tectu_ first? :P
2014-06-29T01:20:10 < Tectu_> no
2014-06-29T01:20:45 < Steffanx> wh
2014-06-29T01:20:47 < Steffanx> *awh
2014-06-29T01:22:44 < Tectu_> http://ugfx.org/news
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2014-06-29T01:25:34 < Steffanx> \o/
2014-06-29T01:29:12 < Tectu_> say "thank you"!  :p
2014-06-29T01:29:19 < Tectu_> (just kidding, for those who don't know)
2014-06-29T01:31:48 < Steffanx> you know what? Sleep well
2014-06-29T01:32:19 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIRrZbirME
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2014-06-29T06:26:22 < Thorn__> why can't we have such a nice API everywhere http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/usb/host.html
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2014-06-29T06:28:40 < zyp> is that really any nicer than libusb?
2014-06-29T06:29:28 < Thorn> well for one thing you don't need to install a driver
2014-06-29T06:29:51 < zyp> like libusb
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2014-06-29T07:33:27 < dongs> um
2014-06-29T07:33:33 < dongs> you do realize down below its just a hack on top of libusb rioght?
2014-06-29T07:33:37 < dongs> or some other opensores filth
2014-06-29T07:33:54 < emeb_mac> so judgy
2014-06-29T07:35:03 < Thorn> why does libusb have an android version then
2014-06-29T07:35:09 < dongs> noclu
2014-06-29T07:35:10 < Thorn> libusb on top of libusb?
2014-06-29T07:35:14 < dongs> yes.
2014-06-29T07:35:16 < dongs> because opensauce
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2014-06-29T13:40:23 < perole> setting up eclipse & friends, and getting complaints about nano.specs not found
2014-06-29T13:40:31 < perole> anyone know what it is?
2014-06-29T13:43:47 < PaulFertser> perole: spec file for newlib-nano, part of gcc-arm-embedded toolchain.
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2014-06-29T13:48:48 < perole> ah, it's like (g)libc?
2014-06-29T13:56:36 < PaulFertser> perole: usually people use either newlib or newlib-nano (this one should save you some flash).
2014-06-29T13:58:24 < perole> allright, thanks - hopefully a step closer to some blinking led's :)
2014-06-29T14:06:12 < dongs> http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1322423
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2014-06-29T16:00:58 < dongs> Laurenceb__: ringtone 4 u https://soundcloud.com/ayashiki-1/angels-bonus-technique-sound
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2014-06-29T20:17:30 < qyx_> never ever use -Wall -pedantic -std=iso9899:1999 -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-qual -Wcast-align -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wconversion
2014-06-29T20:17:40 < qyx_> 235 warnings :S
2014-06-29T20:19:12 < GargantuaSauce> no -Wextra??
2014-06-29T20:19:54 < qyx_> 242 with it, not much different
2014-06-29T20:20:27 < BrainDamage> add -Werror since you're there
2014-06-29T20:20:39 < BrainDamage> so all warnings become errors
2014-06-29T20:21:06 < qyx_> nice, finally i will get rid of them
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2014-06-30T03:23:15 < upgrdman> ordered 3 lcd's through ebay. shipped send then in a bubble envelope... one of the three is visibly cracked. wtf is wrong with them... shipping an lcd in an envelope. :(
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2014-06-30T03:27:00 < dongs> lcd?
2014-06-30T03:27:04 < dongs> like panel?
2014-06-30T03:27:07 < dongs> or one of those 2x16 shits
2014-06-30T03:31:08 < upgrdman> no, panel. dot matrix 320x480
2014-06-30T03:31:17 < dongs> ah
2014-06-30T03:31:22 < dongs> oops.
2014-06-30T03:33:27 < dongs> doh. i forgot to rotate silk label on bottom layer.
2014-06-30T03:33:38 < dongs> couple of them ended up spread across tssop pins
2014-06-30T03:33:40 < Thorn> is it normal for an android tablet to discharge while connected to a pc via usb? (slower than without usb but still)
2014-06-30T03:34:13 < dongs> only if you got really shit currentt out of USB ports
2014-06-30T03:34:23 < dongs> or a shit tablet
2014-06-30T03:34:26 < dongs> mine generally charges
2014-06-30T03:34:34 < dongs> unless you got some weird shit thats putting it in host mode or something
2014-06-30T03:34:42 < Thorn> 3 different hubs including powered ones
2014-06-30T03:34:52 < dongs> same cable?
2014-06-30T03:34:58 < Thorn> it says "charging (usb)"
2014-06-30T03:35:06 < Thorn> 2 cables
2014-06-30T03:38:33 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/cracked_lcd.jpg
2014-06-30T03:38:33 < qyx_> there is super-secret spy software running doing h264 encoding and uploading live video
2014-06-30T03:39:53 < dongs> yeah, they're buttcoin mining
2014-06-30T03:40:01 < dongs> upgrdman: its cracked and you soldered it on anyway?
2014-06-30T03:40:43 < upgrdman> couldn't see without backlight
2014-06-30T03:40:55 < dongs> aha
2014-06-30T03:41:04 < upgrdman> the touchscreen and protective film make it kinda hard to see on the black lcd
2014-06-30T03:41:15 < dongs> right
2014-06-30T03:41:37 < qyx_> hm
2014-06-30T03:41:45 < qyx_> 320x480? with controller?
2014-06-30T03:41:47 < upgrdman> ya
2014-06-30T03:41:51 < upgrdman> $11
2014-06-30T03:42:04 < upgrdman> but viewing angles are not impressive :(
2014-06-30T03:42:06 < dongs> controller as in not RGB?
2014-06-30T03:42:11 < dongs> SPI or someshit?
2014-06-30T03:42:20 < qyx_> yep i meant spi or similar
2014-06-30T03:42:21 < upgrdman> no, it has RAM, used 16bit parallel 8080
2014-06-30T03:42:26 < qyx_> or that
2014-06-30T03:42:31 < qyx_> upgrdman: links?
2014-06-30T03:42:42 < upgrdman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/190938398737?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
2014-06-30T03:42:44 < qyx_> although it seems to be yuite small
2014-06-30T03:42:59 < upgrdman> 3.5" ... so nice PPI
2014-06-30T03:43:02 < dongs> Shipping: Does not ship to Japan
2014-06-30T03:43:07 < dongs> scammers
2014-06-30T03:43:56 < qyx_>  High-speed driver IC, which is 1.5 times faster than the ILI9481
2014-06-30T03:43:59 < qyx_> some china clone
2014-06-30T03:44:31 < upgrdman> seems to use http://www.displaytech-canada.com/pdf/application/TFT_DriverIC/Driver-IC_D51E5TA7601.pdf
2014-06-30T03:46:18 < qyx_> i am waiting for some usable sub-7" e-ink's
2014-06-30T03:47:35 < GargantuaSauce> Thorn: the tablets i work with all discharge slowly when on a pc usb port, hub or no hub
2014-06-30T03:47:56 < GargantuaSauce> makes development super fun
2014-06-30T03:47:58 < Thorn> not nice
2014-06-30T03:48:15 < dongs> really
2014-06-30T03:48:19 < Thorn> I read you can connect adb via wi-fi but the device needs to be rooted
2014-06-30T03:49:04 < GargantuaSauce> yeah
2014-06-30T03:49:07 < Thorn> this root thing is a complete scam, why is there never a supported way to get it
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2014-06-30T03:49:43 < GargantuaSauce> just install cyanogen and hope your distro doesnt have any nasty malware
2014-06-30T03:51:23 < dongs> assdroid is such garbage
2014-06-30T03:51:32 < GargantuaSauce> yeah and so are all the alternative
2014-06-30T03:51:32 < GargantuaSauce> s
2014-06-30T03:51:39 < GargantuaSauce> mobile devices in general are fucking stupid
2014-06-30T03:51:42 < GargantuaSauce> drives me up the wall
2014-06-30T03:52:12 < Thorn> they're designed for consumers. they're the future
2014-06-30T03:53:00 < Thorn> unfortunately
2014-06-30T03:54:01 < dongs> android UX is just so absoultely horrible
2014-06-30T03:59:45 < gnomad> at least it is getting better
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2014-06-30T04:00:14 < upgrdman> hmmm this f0 struggled to feed pixels fast enough... i get like 1Hz update rate. lol.
2014-06-30T04:02:26 < Thorn> GargantuaSauce: ever tried accessory charge adapters?
2014-06-30T04:02:59 < GargantuaSauce> nope
2014-06-30T04:03:07 < GargantuaSauce> sounds like something that is never implemented properly
2014-06-30T04:04:38 < upgrdman> ya, i think i'll have to go with the f4 when using this lcd.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb-rXSsc3no
2014-06-30T04:08:46 < GargantuaSauce> that's bitbanged right?
2014-06-30T04:09:28 < GargantuaSauce> even an f1 would probably do much better because you could use the fsmc and dma
2014-06-30T04:09:30 < upgrdman> ya. no fsmc on the f0
2014-06-30T04:09:53 < GargantuaSauce> but ya graphical stuff on the f4 is fun as fuck
2014-06-30T04:10:16 < upgrdman> i still the f4 part of my disco board that i dremel'd in half to get just the st-link :)
2014-06-30T04:11:20 < GargantuaSauce> lol does it still work?
2014-06-30T04:11:37 < upgrdman>  ya, although no crystal cause i broke it off when it was in my way :)
2014-06-30T04:11:40 < GargantuaSauce> the ldo is right were you cut i think? will need an external supply but i guess thats easy enough
2014-06-30T04:12:50 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/stlink_chopped_pcb.jpg ... behold my shitty but functional programmer :)
2014-06-30T04:13:16 < GargantuaSauce> beauty
2014-06-30T04:13:25 < GargantuaSauce> that reminds me i discovered something cool about the f0disco
2014-06-30T04:13:37 < GargantuaSauce> the diode on the usb power input acts as a very nice fuse!
2014-06-30T04:13:52 < GargantuaSauce> i shorted the rails and the linear regulator didn't fail, the diode did
2014-06-30T04:14:32 < GargantuaSauce> so now that's been replaced with a blob of solder and it's good as new!
2014-06-30T04:15:44 < upgrdman> lol
2014-06-30T04:19:02 < upgrdman> still works fine, except for the audio and usb host that i managed to fry when i overloaded the stock LDO     http://farrellf.com/temp/chopped_f4_pcb.jpg
2014-06-30T04:27:44 < gnomad> how did you cut that?
2014-06-30T04:29:55 < upgrdman> dremel, after i took plier to the crystal and other shit in my way
2014-06-30T04:30:08 < upgrdman> 30mm cut-off wheel
2014-06-30T04:30:33 < gnomad> aah
2014-06-30T05:13:43 < dongs> haha
2014-06-30T05:20:18 < Thorn> what's the difference in principle between a bldc and a stepper motor?
2014-06-30T05:22:07 < BrainDamage> there's multiple stepper motor types
2014-06-30T05:22:14 < upgrdman> if nothing else, the coils on a stepper are independent
2014-06-30T05:22:29 < upgrdman> on a bldc, they're tied together in a wye or delta shape
2014-06-30T05:22:43 < BrainDamage> the "original" one is kinda similar except for the wiring, yes
2014-06-30T05:23:32 < BrainDamage> the variable reluctance and hybrid ones instead will have a "step" that is few degrees
2014-06-30T05:24:08 < gnomad> I believe, as a general rule, bldc motors run at much greater RPMs than steppers
2014-06-30T05:24:13 < upgrdman> yes
2014-06-30T05:24:20 < BrainDamage> while the normal unless you microstep will rotate by 1/4 of a circomferene ( brushless will do 1/3)
2014-06-30T05:24:28 < upgrdman> and bldc still has lots of torque at high speeds.
2014-06-30T05:24:38 < dongs> ft> I'm thinking about selling my theremin, I haven't touched it in years.
2014-06-30T05:29:37 < Thorn> >BLDC motors are synchronous motors, which means their rotors and stators turn at the same frequency.
2014-06-30T05:29:53 < Thorn> the more you know.jpg
2014-06-30T05:32:20 < upgrdman> stators don't turn. lol. stator = stationary.
2014-06-30T05:40:00 < GargantuaSauce> think that refers to the magnetic field IN the stator
2014-06-30T05:40:10 < BrainDamage> yes
2014-06-30T05:40:14 < upgrdman> :)
2014-06-30T05:40:25 < BrainDamage> also, you can drive BLCD asyncronous
2014-06-30T05:40:32 < GargantuaSauce> it sounds terrible
2014-06-30T05:40:34 < BrainDamage> altough you'll get shit performance
2014-06-30T05:40:56 < BrainDamage> and ofc none sane would
2014-06-30T05:41:15 < BrainDamage> steppers btw are generally operated open loop, except for current control
2014-06-30T05:41:42 < BrainDamage> you size the system so that under peak load you won't lose steps, and just integrate those
2014-06-30T05:41:59 < Thorn> is this bldc or stepper? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Floppy_drive_spindle_motor_open.jpg
2014-06-30T05:42:10 < GargantuaSauce> bldc
2014-06-30T05:42:22 < GargantuaSauce> generally if it goes fast it's a bldc
2014-06-30T05:42:55 < upgrdman> pretty blue enamel
2014-06-30T05:43:27 < GargantuaSauce> steppers give you relatively precise motion and holding torque, bldc gives you speed control and lots of power
2014-06-30T05:43:56 < BrainDamage> the first is true only for hybrid
2014-06-30T05:44:42 < BrainDamage> hybrid stepper motors have the rotor that's a maget that is sorta cog shaped
2014-06-30T05:45:27 < BrainDamage> ( variable reluctance too, but it'd be a material without permanent magnetization)
2014-06-30T05:56:35 < Thorn> okay thanks for all the info
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2014-06-30T06:21:07 < dongs> > The Radius 2000 also offers features only found on the highest quality players, such as:  Quick SD/USB recognition, Advanced Track Search (search for a new track while one is playing), 10 seconds of Anti-shock memory,  Seamless Loop, 4 Flash Start buttons & Digital BPM Counter.
2014-06-30T06:21:14 < dongs> 10 seconds anti-shock memory on a FLASH MEDIA PLAYER
2014-06-30T06:21:34 < GargantuaSauce> well obviously
2014-06-30T06:21:40 < GargantuaSauce> you don't want it to skip if you're moving around
2014-06-30T06:24:44 < MrMobius> well technically it could skip right?
2014-06-30T06:24:52 < MrMobius> if youre pulling 25 Gs or something
2014-06-30T06:30:46 < Thorn> there're guided artillery shells, they pull like 3 orders of magnitude more Gs when fired
2014-06-30T06:31:53 < MrMobius> see, that might make it skip dongs
2014-06-30T06:38:14 < dongs> what do you need a flash media player on a guided missile for? to blast allahu ackbar while it flies?
2014-06-30T06:39:04 < Thorn> north koreans launched a satellite just to play propaganda songs
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2014-06-30T06:39:10 < dongs> did they
2014-06-30T06:39:13 < dongs> i thought it didnt make it
2014-06-30T06:39:25 < Thorn> or tried to
2014-06-30T06:41:20 < upgrdman> in c, is there a way to make enums only work when using the named constants (not work when using integers or named constants of the wrong enum)
2014-06-30T06:43:01 < Thorn> afaik even c++ only got that feature recently (enum classes)
2014-06-30T06:43:10 < upgrdman> :( ok
2014-06-30T06:43:38 < upgrdman> i miss the oop way of doing it with static class fields like Foo.Bar
2014-06-30T06:46:25 < madist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxrdCpgIN2w
2014-06-30T06:47:01 < dongs> upgrdman: you can get a warning, otherwise no
2014-06-30T06:47:09 < upgrdman> k
2014-06-30T06:47:25 < dongs> if func(EnumType foo), if you pass it a number it'll warn
2014-06-30T06:47:30 < dongs> otherwise... C++ only.
2014-06-30T06:47:44 < dongs> or amazing #defines
2014-06-30T06:47:47 < dongs> tarduino guys love them!
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2014-06-30T06:53:03 < Thorn> http://compilers.iecc.com/comparch/article/98-06-049
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2014-06-30T07:07:02 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/zJtYA
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2014-06-30T07:12:37 < Thorn> that looks like you forgot something, like leds
2014-06-30T07:14:39 < gnomad> what is that we are looking at?
2014-06-30T07:15:42 < Thorn> a matrix of transistors happily switching nothing?
2014-06-30T07:16:46 < dongs> a matrix of hall sensors
2014-06-30T07:16:49 < dongs> doing AMAZING THINGS
2014-06-30T07:21:22 < dongs> oh wow, i managed to do wrong pinout for LDO
2014-06-30T07:21:29 < dongs> what the hell
2014-06-30T07:21:33 < dongs> its hte one i always use , too
2014-06-30T07:23:58 < Simon--> wtf amazing things would you do with that ? :)
2014-06-30T07:25:24 < englishman> automatic dildo position and orientation detector
2014-06-30T07:28:24 < dongs> yes
2014-06-30T07:28:45 < dongs> now gotta do the most boring shit, board bringup
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2014-06-30T08:20:48 < dongs> hm whats a clever way to drive 3 and 4 bit port selector on random pins
2014-06-30T08:27:59 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/3FntAg96.html ahhahaha
2014-06-30T08:29:50 < englishman> good for production
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2014-06-30T08:35:45 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/bDNKF941.html thinking this but i think it could be simpler
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2014-06-30T08:49:28 < upgrdman> anyone know of a source for SMD 0.1" female headers, single row? male SMD headers are common, but no luck on single-row female headers.
2014-06-30T08:51:08 < dongs> what
2014-06-30T08:51:16 < dongs> you mean like arduino headersr?
2014-06-30T08:51:27 < dongs> oh smd
2014-06-30T08:51:35 < dongs> so the pins are like staggered?
2014-06-30T08:51:58 < upgrdman> like this, but SMD    http://www.pololu.com/product/1031
2014-06-30T08:52:02 < upgrdman> ya
2014-06-30T08:52:09 < Thorn> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12690 ?
2014-06-30T08:52:19 < upgrdman> ya.
2014-06-30T08:52:26 < upgrdman> i wonder if dickfun has longer ones
2014-06-30T08:53:02 < dongs> tehy should be standard in like 40pin or so length
2014-06-30T08:53:19 < Thorn> they are not breakable
2014-06-30T08:53:23 < Thorn> lol $0.75 for 10 pins
2014-06-30T08:54:00 < dongs> right
2014-06-30T08:54:07 < dongs> Thorn: of course, but you can ruin one pin ot break it
2014-06-30T08:56:00 < gnomad> in a pinch you can just take TH headers and bend the pins.
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2014-06-30T08:57:17 < dongs> haha
2014-06-30T08:57:22 < dongs> right, its not like youre going to reflow it or anythign
2014-06-30T08:57:29 < dongs> just stagger teh (usaully flat) pins on regular dip ones
2014-06-30T08:57:35 < dongs> and solder that shit
2014-06-30T08:58:16 < upgrdman> i've seen ones that look reflowed
2014-06-30T08:58:30 < upgrdman> too neat and consistant for hand soldering
2014-06-30T08:59:02 < gnomad> have you ever seen hand soldering done to IPC standards?
2014-06-30T08:59:45 < gnomad> (maybe you have....)
2014-06-30T08:59:56 < upgrdman> no
2014-06-30T09:00:44 < upgrdman> but it was mass produced shit. i think it was a shield/cape/someshit ... doubt they paid someone to do quality hand soldering
2014-06-30T09:05:27 < upgrdman> nice place to mount a muffler   http://imgur.com/a/0PkYq
2014-06-30T09:07:09 < dongs> i think it s a new performance mod
2014-06-30T09:07:35 < dongs> upgrdman: i mean.... of course the ones sparkdick sells are for machine assembly/reflow
2014-06-30T09:07:43 < dongs> im talking about manually bending pins on dip ones and just handsoldering
2014-06-30T09:07:51 < upgrdman> well ya, i could do that
2014-06-30T09:08:05 < dongs> http://b.pololu-files.com/picture/0J882.1200.jpg?dda1afec386533fa148b2e2d4ccb8c43
2014-06-30T09:08:09 < dongs> like these
2014-06-30T09:08:09 < dongs> the pins are flat
2014-06-30T09:08:12 < dongs> and easy to bend
2014-06-30T09:08:18 < upgrdman> but i would have thought some chinamen would plaster that shit all over ebay... and so far no luck for single-row female smd headers
2014-06-30T09:08:20 < dongs> so jsut go left/right left/right and done
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2014-06-30T09:11:34 < dongs>   < upgrdman> nice place to mount a muffler   http://imgur.com/a/0PkYq
2014-06-30T09:11:38 < dongs> http://www.b15u.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=54036&d=1383176461
2014-06-30T09:11:52 < upgrdman> nice
2014-06-30T09:11:59 < madist> <ohsix> dongbag: are you timecop
2014-06-30T09:11:59 < madist>  <dongbag> yes
2014-06-30T09:12:03 < madist> omposterz!
2014-06-30T09:12:11 < dongs> madist: nice fakepaste
2014-06-30T09:12:18 < dongs> 23:04 < cheater> dongbag: are you timecop
2014-06-30T09:12:19 < dongs> 23:04 < dongbag> no fuck what
2014-06-30T09:12:19 < dongs> 23:04 < dongbag> i'm confused
2014-06-30T09:12:21 < dongs> as it happened.
2014-06-30T09:12:24 < madist> in ##electronics
2014-06-30T09:12:26 < madist> right now
2014-06-30T09:12:43 < upgrdman> he's not joking
2014-06-30T09:12:55 < dongs> i should probably read datasheet on this 3:8 thing
2014-06-30T09:12:58 < upgrdman> i see it too, just a few line up from now in ##electronics
2014-06-30T09:13:24 < dongs> him saying yes?
2014-06-30T09:13:48 < upgrdman> yes
2014-06-30T09:13:52 < dongs> oic
2014-06-30T09:14:05 < upgrdman> <dongbag> : /
2014-06-30T09:14:05 < upgrdman>  <ohsix> dongbag: are you timecop
2014-06-30T09:14:06 < upgrdman>  <dongbag> yes
2014-06-30T09:14:06 < upgrdman>  <dongbag> i'm going to tazer you in the eye
2014-06-30T09:14:17 < dongs> lorf
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2014-06-30T09:17:09 < dongs> omggg
2014-06-30T09:17:11 < dongs> hall sensors are working
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2014-06-30T09:31:27  * madist wonders how dongs knows what's going on in ##electronics if he's not in ##electronics
2014-06-30T09:31:37 < dongs> i have skillz.
2014-06-30T09:31:44 < dongs> and spies
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2014-06-30T11:09:33 < Robint91> hi all
2014-06-30T11:09:39 < Robint91> small question about the texane tool
2014-06-30T11:10:24 < Robint91> it seems that it doensn't reset the mcu
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2014-06-30T11:10:48 < Robint91> st-flash
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2014-06-30T11:59:18 < Thorn> isn't it obsolete given that openocd seems to support st-link well?
2014-06-30T12:12:14 < dongs> i thought openocd itself is obsoelete
2014-06-30T12:20:00 < dongs> All ground connections to the device are through the ePad; therefore it must be soldered to the board and the pad must have a low resistance connection to the board ground plane.
2014-06-30T12:20:03 < dongs> hah
2014-06-30T12:20:10 < dongs> not a single gnd pin on qfn40
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2014-06-30T12:23:42 < dongs> A 5.1 . resistor, shown as R in Figure 11 on the next page, must be placed in series with all TMDS receiver pins. In
2014-06-30T12:23:46 < dongs> addition, the distance from the resistor to the TMDS receiver pins, designated as d in the figure, must be within 1 cm or
2014-06-30T12:23:49 < dongs> 393 mils, to ensure the impedance does not deviate from the limits allowed by the MHL 1.0 Specification.
2014-06-30T12:23:53 < dongs> wtf???
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2014-06-30T12:56:59 < dongs> cool, MHL devices are powered by the 'monitor[
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2014-06-30T13:01:44 < dongs> hm wtf
2014-06-30T13:06:04 < scrts_w> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/89641448673/trying-to-work-after-a-meeting
2014-06-30T13:15:17 < Steffanx> At least you have us to keep you distracted scrts_w
2014-06-30T13:21:10 < scrts_w> \o/ :)
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2014-06-30T13:28:27 < Steffanx> Lol, dongs sponsored the some dutch solar boat race? It's called the Dong Energy Solar  ..
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2014-06-30T15:49:07 < dongs> who ever recommended IRLML6401 they're amaze
2014-06-30T15:56:51 < Laurenceb_> sexfet
2014-06-30T15:58:03 < Laurenceb_> lol you could run an esc off those
2014-06-30T15:59:24 < karlp> dongs: what's so awesome about them?
2014-06-30T16:00:23 < zyp> dongs, hey, what's the current state of the boards to be repaired?
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2014-06-30T16:09:14 < dongs> zyp, its geting shipped tomrorwo or something. no diea why it took a week.
2014-06-30T16:09:17 < dongs> thats wat they told me this morning
2014-06-30T16:09:58 < effractur> how fast is analog.com with accepting sample requests?
2014-06-30T16:09:58 < zyp> no hurry since I won't be home for another three weeks, just wanted to know if I need someone to go pick it up for me
2014-06-30T16:10:13 < dongs> ill ahev tracking tomorrow
2014-06-30T16:10:24 < dongs> effractur: they just send them, as long as you dont sound like a freetard
2014-06-30T16:10:32 < effractur> k
2014-06-30T16:10:37 < zyp> also, I've already sold over half of them, so I should do a new batch soon
2014-06-30T16:10:44 < dongs> ie. givemefreeshit@gmail.com, no company, asking for expnsive or common parts
2014-06-30T16:10:48 < dongs> heh ok.
2014-06-30T16:10:52 < dongs> there's some blank pcbs left over.
2014-06-30T16:11:00 < dongs> i can get them counted, and include them if you want
2014-06-30T16:11:07 < effractur> dongs: na with a gmail email you can't request them
2014-06-30T16:11:10 < dongs> pcb keeps running more than ordered.
2014-06-30T16:11:13 < dongs> effractur: no surprise
2014-06-30T16:11:31 < zyp> dongs, hmm, and I have like 20 at home
2014-06-30T16:11:41 < dongs> oh tehy sent blanks w/finished shit?
2014-06-30T16:11:48 < zyp> with first batch
2014-06-30T16:12:06 < dongs> i remember there was a sizeable stack left over in one of the boxes
2014-06-30T16:13:39 < zyp> I should have sent back the blanks along with the defects and had them assemble them all
2014-06-30T16:14:01 < zyp> not that the pcb cost is that much of the total though
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2014-06-30T17:01:09 < dongs> yea
2014-06-30T17:02:58 < dongs> http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img203/2853/sta60041.jpg looks like samdung cable uses same mhl>hdmi chip
2014-06-30T17:05:30 < Steffanx> ok.
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2014-06-30T17:06:41 < dongs> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KQQHc3LUdu0/T5V_8osdaII/AAAAAAAAA9U/iypu_Dj8GvQ/s1600/mhl2hdmi_1.jpg ooo
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2014-06-30T17:13:35 < dongs> http://imageshack.us/a/img20/1535/sta60045.jpg xda-developers "modders"
2014-06-30T17:15:12 < Laurenceb_> short city
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2014-06-30T17:15:44 < Steffanx> it needs hot glue
2014-06-30T17:15:49 < dongs> needs more tom66
2014-06-30T17:16:43 < BrainDamage> needs more doyouknow's microwave design: https://imgur.com/KPG2EEr
2014-06-30T17:17:24 < dongs> looks legit
2014-06-30T17:17:35 < dongs> whats he doing, bypassing the lnb part and using it as downconverter?
2014-06-30T17:17:51 < BrainDamage> yes
2014-06-30T17:18:05 < dongs> for wat?
2014-06-30T17:18:17 < BrainDamage> he claims radioastronomy at 8GHz
2014-06-30T17:18:23 < dongs> ah
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2014-06-30T17:18:43 < Steffanx> claims :D
2014-06-30T17:19:08 < dongs> i'd think lnbs have a bandpass
2014-06-30T17:19:46 < dongs> is he trying to hack chinese lander
2014-06-30T17:20:27 < dongs> tho i guess 8ghz would drop it down into < 1ghz range if it didnt
2014-06-30T17:21:04 < BrainDamage> he wants to heterodyne like 8 -> 2.4 -> 200
2014-06-30T17:21:14 < BrainDamage> and the latter tuned by a rtl dongle
2014-06-30T17:21:46 < dongs> lnb drops 9.5..12(?) to 950..2150 or someshit, doesn't it?
2014-06-30T17:21:47 < BrainDamage> the 2.4 GHz to 200MHz is handled by a MMDS downconverter module, which is available off the shelf
2014-06-30T17:21:51 < Laurenceb_> whats normal LNB output?
2014-06-30T17:21:52 < Laurenceb_> oh
2014-06-30T17:21:54 < dongs> so 8ghz would be in tunable range
2014-06-30T17:22:00 < dongs> like 700-800-ish
2014-06-30T17:22:04 < BrainDamage> not all LNB
2014-06-30T17:22:13 < dongs> well, cheap common ones
2014-06-30T17:22:18 < BrainDamage> that yes
2014-06-30T17:22:57 < BrainDamage> altough there's some relatively cheap C band lnb off aliexpress
2014-06-30T17:23:05 < dongs> ah, cband
2014-06-30T17:25:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5HxplOr.jpg wat
2014-06-30T17:26:35 < Laurenceb_> printing it
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2014-06-30T17:35:36 < madis_> Michael Jackson was a homosexual dog ?
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2014-06-30T17:47:17 < Steffanx> is
2014-06-30T17:48:07 < dongs> someone else in this channel would fit that description
2014-06-30T17:48:20 < dongs> like the guy who just changed his nick
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2014-06-30T17:59:49 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1842571016/piconsole-anywhere-console-for-raspberry-pi?ref=category
2014-06-30T17:59:53 < dongs> fucking really????????????
2014-06-30T18:02:02 < effractur> wait i tink they never heard of ssh
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2014-06-30T18:02:40 < Lux> heh a kickstarter for a 10$ bob
2014-06-30T18:03:19 < effractur> fresh from oshpark
2014-06-30T18:03:20 < effractur> ;p
2014-06-30T18:03:44 < Lux> i guess those bakers never heard of usb serial converters nor bluetooth dongles..
2014-06-30T18:03:54 < effractur> and ssh/telnet
2014-06-30T18:04:07 < Lux> for debugging that's useless
2014-06-30T18:04:26 < dongs> who the fuck debugs crapberrypi
2014-06-30T18:04:48 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alanforbes/learn-to-program-ios-and-os-x-with-apple-swift?ref=category haha
2014-06-30T18:05:44 < effractur> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/252587878/cake-board-new-solderless-breadboard-connectable-t?ref=category
2014-06-30T18:06:23 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/886924859/eyespeak-beyond-communication?ref=category oh look castar clone attn Lux
2014-06-30T18:06:26 < dongs> err attn Laurenceb_
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2014-06-30T18:27:06 < Laurenceb_> http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/06/30/125207/julian-assange-plans-modeling-debut-at-london-fashion-show
2014-06-30T18:27:16 < Laurenceb_> lulz, big lulz
2014-06-30T18:29:39 < dongs> lewl
2014-06-30T18:29:40 < dongs> wtf
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2014-06-30T18:38:14 < Laurenceb_> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12772
2014-06-30T18:38:19 < Laurenceb_> export control O_o
2014-06-30T18:39:43 < dongs> at least its lpc arm...
2014-06-30T18:39:45 < dongs> hey i had a link for u
2014-06-30T18:40:03 < dongs> http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/seeeduino-stalker-v2.html attn Laurenceb_
2014-06-30T18:40:11 < dongs> yuove ben obsoleted by chiense
2014-06-30T18:40:43 < Laurenceb_> trash
2014-06-30T18:41:46 < dongs> but, it probably works, unlike yours :)
2014-06-30T18:42:04 < Laurenceb_> trolol
2014-06-30T18:50:59 < karlp> PaulFertser: your milandr repo: https://gitorious.org/mdr32f9-libopencm3, does need much to merge it in?
2014-06-30T18:51:56 < Laurenceb_> milandr?!
2014-06-30T18:52:00 < Laurenceb_> never heard of it
2014-06-30T18:52:06 < Steffanx> Soviet russia..
2014-06-30T18:52:10 < Laurenceb_> hah
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2014-06-30T19:04:44 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2014-06-30T19:04:55 < Laurenceb_> large jpegs reliably hang my desktop
2014-06-30T19:05:14 < Laurenceb_> if i try to open in firefox
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2014-06-30T19:07:35 < madis_> how large is large ?
2014-06-30T19:07:49 < Laurenceb_> 8000x6000
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2014-06-30T19:11:30 < Steffanx> must be lunix, Laurenceb_
2014-06-30T19:11:48 < Laurenceb_> heh
2014-06-30T19:12:18 < Laurenceb_> looks like firefox is trying to use about 6GB of ram to render the jpeg
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2014-06-30T19:35:43 < __rob> anyone used the TI CC3000 module ?
2014-06-30T19:38:03 < __rob> cant seem to get it working if I have any less then /64 prescaler on the SPI
2014-06-30T19:38:09 < __rob> with a chip running at 48mhz
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2014-06-30T19:42:46 < Steffanx> it does nothing or what __rob ?
2014-06-30T19:43:04 < Steffanx> I used it a bit,but gave up on it
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2014-06-30T19:47:53 < Steffanx> i think ti gave up on it as well and went for their new cc3200 and cc3300
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2014-06-30T20:51:33 < aadamson> __rob, isn't that whats used on the spark core?
2014-06-30T20:52:42 < aadamson> __rob, yes, it uses the cc3000 - IRLML6401
2014-06-30T20:52:45 < __rob> well, it works
2014-06-30T20:52:46 < aadamson> opps
2014-06-30T20:52:53 < __rob> as long as I slow the HW spi right down
2014-06-30T20:52:53 < aadamson> http://docs.spark.io/hardware/#subsystems-wi-fi-module
2014-06-30T20:53:05 < aadamson> might check their source, its open I believe
2014-06-30T20:53:22 < __rob> anything less then SPI_BaudRatePrescaler_64
2014-06-30T20:53:38 < aadamson> heh, I have 2 setting here collecting dust :)
2014-06-30T20:53:39 < __rob> and it doesn't respond to the init stage
2014-06-30T20:53:59 < aadamson> there were some issues that they had to work with TI to resolve, I think it's documented there somewhere
2014-06-30T20:53:59 < __rob> yea, looked at a number of drivers
2014-06-30T20:54:16 < aadamson> there may even be *new firmware for the module* to resolve it... just don't know
2014-06-30T20:55:14 < __rob> well it says it works up to 16mhz spi
2014-06-30T20:55:53 < __rob> having to run at 0.75mhz spi
2014-06-30T20:56:39 < __rob> what I dont get is, http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cc3000.pdf
2014-06-30T20:56:48 < __rob> on this doc, they specify a high pulse width for the clock
2014-06-30T20:57:21 < __rob> at anything close to that it doesn't work
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2014-06-30T21:02:09 < __rob> gypsy module
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2014-06-30T21:16:00 < emeb> \o/ stm32f4 board USB Host working reliably
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2014-06-30T21:36:14 < karlp> emeb: is that with zyps usb stack? or something else?
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2014-06-30T21:38:52 < emeb> karlp: ST's USB stack
2014-06-30T21:39:12 < emeb> the older one (not "Cube")
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2014-06-30T21:44:51 < karlp> what's on the other end? midi?
2014-06-30T21:52:24 < __rob> ohhh! problem solved
2014-06-30T21:52:43 < __rob> SPI_SendData8() seems to have done the job
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2014-06-30T21:58:15 < emeb> karlp: HID mouse for now
2014-06-30T21:58:48 < emeb> MIDI is the goal, but that will require some effort - ST's USB Host stack doesn't have an Audio class, much less Audio MIDI
2014-06-30T21:59:16 < emeb> so, need to code that class up by myself. :P
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2014-06-30T22:33:42 < AndreeeCZ> emeb, ping
2014-06-30T22:34:14 < emeb> AndreeeCZ: pong
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2014-06-30T23:22:56 < karlp> AndreeeCZ: the answer to your question is, "using the stm32 std periph library for usb host"
2014-06-30T23:28:12 < Steffanx> __rob, just be sure too read the CC3000 section of the TI-e2e forum. There are a few things you should know, in case you run into issues.
2014-06-30T23:30:24 < Steffanx> Especially the driver you have to write ( or copy) has to meet the requirements otherwise you will run into race conditions sooner or later.
2014-06-30T23:30:43 < karlp> some would say that's what requirements mean ;)
2014-06-30T23:30:47 < Steffanx> requiremments = code very similar to thairs
2014-06-30T23:30:49 < Steffanx> *theirs
2014-06-30T23:31:07 < Steffanx> requirements isn't the right word :P
2014-06-30T23:31:48 < Steffanx> imho their lib is just fuckup
2014-06-30T23:32:01 < Steffanx> At least it was
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2014-06-30T23:36:34 < Steffanx> karlp, they don't have real requirements. At least not documented. It's more like: code exactly like us or you will run into trouble.
2014-06-30T23:37:47 < SlaveToTheSauce> more like AND
2014-06-30T23:38:17 < Steffanx> AND?
2014-06-30T23:39:46 < Steffanx> mr SlaveToTheSauce ?
2014-06-30T23:39:58 < SlaveToTheSauce> s/or/and
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2014-06-30T23:40:54 < Steffanx> ooooh :P
2014-06-30T23:41:11 < SlaveToTheSauce> all glory to the master race condition
2014-06-30T23:41:29 < Steffanx> Totally, yes
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