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pay those $45 they promised it would be here by friday, last week 2014-09-01T06:37:46 < jadew`> that's like a dev board I got (from china as well) where the guy selling it had two chips in the title and the specs of the best chip, on the page too 2014-09-01T06:37:55 < jadew`> when I got the board it was the crappy chip 2014-09-01T06:38:04 < jadew`> and the specs didn't match, obviously 2014-09-01T06:44:45 < dongs> pssh 2014-09-01T06:45:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-01T06:46:29 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T07:13:03 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-01T07:26:23 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T07:34:07 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-01T08:23:40 < PaulFertser_> dongs: qyx_: global variables are initialised by startup code, that's not something inside libgcc, it depends on how a user configures his or her startup. Standard newlib startup initialises bss just fine. 2014-09-01T08:36:03 < jpa-> yes, it is in crt0 2014-09-01T08:36:27 < jpa-> if you don't run newlib, and don't run chibios, you need your own 2014-09-01T08:38:56 < upgrdman> jadew`: cheap chinese stuff and morals aren't often found together 2014-09-01T08:51:09 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T09:01:07 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-01T09:06:07 -!- rewolff2 [~wolff@95-36-47-159.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-01T09:18:26 < jpa-> jadew`: well you paid by paypal or credit card, right? just dispute the charge, you have their promised time in writing 2014-09-01T09:19:45 -!- rewolff [~wolff@95-36-47-159.dsl.alice.nl] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T09:33:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T09:40:47 -!- Flecks is now known as Fleck 2014-09-01T09:53:42 < qyx_> PaulFertser_: i know, i checked that 2014-09-01T09:54:04 < qyx_> jpa-: chibios provided, happened for the first time now 2014-09-01T09:54:45 < qyx_> it is SerialConfig structure, if i move it to function (created on the stack), it initializes ok 2014-09-01T09:55:13 < qyx_> or if i mark it as const 2014-09-01T09:55:37 < qyx_> which makes sense 2014-09-01T10:05:13 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-01T10:07:58 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T10:13:34 < jpa-> qyx_: just one variable not initializing? 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2014-09-01T11:39:50 < jpa-> break debugger at start of main, see variable values there 2014-09-01T11:40:06 < jpa-> if wrong there also, break in chibios' crt0 and see what it is doing 2014-09-01T11:41:44 < qyx_> wot 2014-09-01T11:41:56 < qyx_> there we go 2014-09-01T11:42:09 < qyx_> .textalign 0x08001ce6 0x0 2014-09-01T11:42:21 < qyx_> 0x08001ce8 . = ALIGN (0x8) 2014-09-01T11:42:30 < qyx_> 0x08001ce8 _textdata = _etext 2014-09-01T11:42:45 < qyx_> so _etext is shifted by 2 bytes due to alignment 2014-09-01T11:42:50 < qyx_> err, _textdata 2014-09-01T11:44:31 < jpa-> so? 2014-09-01T11:44:46 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T11:44:48 < jpa-> so will the data, seems correct to me 2014-09-01T11:44:58 < jpa-> err hmm 2014-09-01T11:45:13 < qyx_> it doesn't makes sense 2014-09-01T11:45:28 < jpa-> i wonder what the "load address" in your first listing actually means 2014-09-01T11:46:22 < qyx_> but when you shift 115200 by 2 bytes, you will get 1 2014-09-01T11:46:25 < qyx_> see 2014-09-01T11:46:26 < qyx_> 00001ce0 3d 20 25 64 0a 00 00 c2 01 00 00 00 00 40 00 00 |= %d.........@..| 2014-09-01T11:46:26 < qyx_> 00001cf0 00 00 d2 04 00 00 |......| 2014-09-01T11:46:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-01T11:47:10 < qyx_> initialization data are placed at 1ce6, so speed is 00 c2 01 00, which is 115200 2014-09-01T11:47:30 < qyx_> but that alignment moves _textdata 2 bytes forward 2014-09-01T11:47:41 < jpa-> is your linker script the chibios default or a custom one? 2014-09-01T11:47:54 < qyx_> default 2014-09-01T11:48:11 < qyx_> i modified ram start to +2k, but rewritten that back 2014-09-01T11:48:20 < qyx_> i will check again 2014-09-01T11:48:54 < jpa-> the ALIGN() should be before the _textdata etc. 2014-09-01T11:49:36 < qyx_> it is 2014-09-01T11:51:21 < jpa-> and all .data should come after that also.. so they'll be aligned also 2014-09-01T11:53:37 < dongs> Clock Enabled, 76923 baud, 2014-09-01T11:53:38 < dongs> 1 Start Bit, 8 Data Bits, 1.0 Stop Bits, No Parity 2014-09-01T11:53:39 < dongs> fuckinggreat 2014-09-01T11:53:40 < dongs> wtf. 2014-09-01T11:53:48 < dongs> exactly same init code for all 2 usarts 2014-09-01T11:53:50 < dongs> err all 3 2014-09-01T11:53:56 < dongs> USART3 is at this retarded baud 2014-09-01T11:54:09 < dongs> oh never mind, its returning all of them wrong 2014-09-01T11:54:11 < dongs> fucking keil 2014-09-01T11:54:49 < qyx_> Check alignment. 2014-09-01T11:55:02 < dongs> Clock Enabled, 115384 baud, 2014-09-01T11:55:03 < dongs> 1 Start Bit, 8 Data Bits, 1.0 Stop Bits, No Parity 2014-09-01T11:55:11 < dongs> nah i had wrong crystal in keil options (but right crystal in build) 2014-09-01T11:55:29 < dongs> i think its still failing remap tho 2014-09-01T11:55:43 < dongs> gonna go bike for a bit then try printf'ing some shit and scope it 2014-09-01T11:55:56 < dongs> im getting constantly high on either rx or tx, like its still in I2C mode 2014-09-01T11:58:53 < qyx_> jpa-: http://pastebin.com/vbXAktEz 2014-09-01T11:59:08 < qyx_> there was that align(4) added between 2.6.0 and 2.6.5 2014-09-01T11:59:22 < dongs> wait hahaha what 2014-09-01T11:59:25 < dongs> i dont need to remap it 2014-09-01T11:59:26 < qyx_> i always used 2.6.0 and it worked 2014-09-01T12:00:11 < dongs> ahaha it works 2014-09-01T12:01:18 < qyx_> lol 2014-09-01T12:01:19 < qyx_> now it works 2014-09-01T12:01:34 < qyx_> removed that ALIGN(4) 2014-09-01T12:09:32 < qyx_> but it's probably not correct, because crt0 loads it in uint32_t chunks 2014-09-01T12:32:55 < jpa-> cortex-m3 doesn't mind unaligned access, it's just slower 2014-09-01T12:55:46 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xxtesnprfqmfqhmr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-01T13:03:19 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-227-160.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: ] 2014-09-01T13:10:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-227-160.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T13:13:20 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/jd26Ks0.png 2014-09-01T13:16:24 < Steffanx> i bet Laurenceb_ is totally happy with TheFappening. 2014-09-01T13:24:45 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/a/maBQ5 2014-09-01T13:24:48 < Laurenceb_> lolzors 2014-09-01T13:27:11 < dongs> hahaha just paid for my ticket to best korea with paypal in eur 2014-09-01T13:27:32 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2014-09-01T13:27:41 < Laurenceb_> you seriously going there? 2014-09-01T13:27:43 < dongs> two of the best things ever 2014-09-01T13:28:06 < dongs> well, neighbor to best korea 2014-09-01T13:28:22 < Laurenceb_> oh 2014-09-01T13:28:45 < BrainDamage> I think 10 years from now we'll discover dongs is kim jong un 2014-09-01T13:29:23 < BrainDamage> and he's been working in stonertronics to keep up the GPA of the country 2014-09-01T13:32:23 < Laurenceb_> http://teespring.com/IexperincedtheFappening 2014-09-01T13:32:25 < Laurenceb_> rofl 2014-09-01T13:33:19 < Steffanx> I don't give a shit about the #TheFappening? 2014-09-01T13:33:22 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-01T13:33:57 < Laurenceb_> good for trolling basement dwellers 2014-09-01T13:34:05 < Laurenceb_> imgur are doing a good job 2014-09-01T13:35:06 < Steffanx> most of them already downloaded the torrent from tpb 2014-09-01T13:35:14 < Laurenceb_> fapperz 2014-09-01T13:36:07 < Laurenceb_> they are still up on 4chan 2014-09-01T13:36:09 < Laurenceb_> http://i.4cdn.org/b/1409566972833.jpg 2014-09-01T13:42:15 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2014-09-01T13:42:22 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-96-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-01T13:53:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-96-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T13:56:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T14:00:48 -!- fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Quit: emergency temporal shift] 2014-09-01T14:01:08 -!- fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T14:08:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-96-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [] 2014-09-01T14:08:26 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-96-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T14:26:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-01T14:33:30 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-01T14:34:42 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T14:39:58 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T14:42:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T14:50:22 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-01T14:51:39 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T15:05:33 < Tectu> zyp, the NaOH you mentioned yesterday is used for developing, not for etching, no? 2014-09-01T15:05:53 < zyp> for developing photoresist, yes 2014-09-01T15:06:02 < Tectu> And HCl you mentioned for etching?! 2014-09-01T15:06:06 < zyp> yep 2014-09-01T15:06:07 < Tectu> Never seen anybody etching with HCl 2014-09-01T15:06:14 < zyp> HCl + H2O2 2014-09-01T15:06:18 < Tectu> ah 2014-09-01T15:06:35 < Tectu> well, I keep going with sodium persulfate 2014-09-01T15:06:53 < zyp> how long does it take to do a board with that? 2014-09-01T15:07:09 < Tectu> if heated and bubbles? 5 minutes max on average 2014-09-01T15:07:13 < Tectu> 3 to 4 if it is new 2014-09-01T15:07:22 < Tectu> but I don't care if it takes 5 or 10 minutes, to be honest 2014-09-01T15:07:23 < zyp> heh 2014-09-01T15:07:40 < zyp> HCl takes around a minute for a full board 2014-09-01T15:07:54 < _Sync_> depends on your concentrations 2014-09-01T15:08:06 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorbing found Laurenceb_'s favorite pastime 2014-09-01T15:08:17 < Tectu> zyp, nice 2014-09-01T15:08:24 < Tectu> zyp, don't really care about those few minutes, tbh 2014-09-01T15:08:26 < Laurenceb_> old 2014-09-01T15:08:28 < Laurenceb_> ancient 2014-09-01T15:08:33 < zyp> _Sync_, IIRC the rule of thumb is one part HCl to one part H2O2 to two parts water 2014-09-01T15:08:36 < Laurenceb_> also UK national sport 2014-09-01T15:08:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-01T15:08:58 < Laurenceb_> russian zorbing 2014-09-01T15:08:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5OVptEFSNo 2014-09-01T15:09:02 < zyp> Tectu, well, etching boards at home is all a waste of time nowadays anyway :p 2014-09-01T15:09:19 < Tectu> zyp, I have a different opinion :) 2014-09-01T15:09:26 < _Sync_> well with 30% h2o2 it really goes fast :D 2014-09-01T15:09:37 < dongs> Tectu: wat the hell 2014-09-01T15:09:38 < dongs> stop wasting time 2014-09-01T15:09:39 < Tectu> _Sync_, I have a 5dl bottle of 30% h2o2 in my basement 2014-09-01T15:09:42 < qyx_> we had the same conversation yesterday 2014-09-01T15:10:00 < Tectu> qyx_, welcome to ##stm32 2014-09-01T15:10:15 < qyx_> i mean about wasting the time 2014-09-01T15:10:21 < Tectu> it's not wasting time. I either pay a shitload of money for quick delivered PCB or I wait 4 to 5 weeks to get external crap through customs 2014-09-01T15:10:31 < dongs> 4 to 5 weeks waht 2014-09-01T15:10:40 < dongs> HK airmail is like a week-two tops 2014-09-01T15:10:46 < dongs> 5 days for shitty 2L boards 2014-09-01T15:10:50 < GargantuaSauce> haha 2014-09-01T15:10:55 < GargantuaSauce> nope. 2014-09-01T15:10:58 < Tectu> not at all. 2014-09-01T15:11:05 < Tectu> dongs, .ch is shit in that aspect 2014-09-01T15:11:13 < dongs> tectu, i ship shit to .ch all the fuckign time 2014-09-01T15:11:18 < dongs> airmail takes less than a week 2014-09-01T15:11:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T15:11:28 < Tectu> dongs, if you pay the money, yes. 2014-09-01T15:11:31 < Steffanx> dongs forgets he's working in a professional setting 24/7 and pay a shitload for everything he orders. 2014-09-01T15:11:36 < Tectu> dongs, seeed and other crap takes 31 days here 2014-09-01T15:11:39 < Steffanx> just like r2com. 2014-09-01T15:11:57 < Tectu> ordered some crap on saturday, arrived this morning 9am 2014-09-01T15:17:44 < Tectu> zyp, ever ended up like this? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Sodium_hydroxide_burn.png/220px-Sodium_hydroxide_burn.png 2014-09-01T15:18:16 < zyp> you're not supposed to put your hand into the etchant 2014-09-01T15:18:49 < zyp> any sane person would wear gloves 2014-09-01T15:19:01 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2014-09-01T15:19:11 < Laurenceb_> ive spilt boiling NaOH on myself 2014-09-01T15:19:14 < Laurenceb_> no burns 2014-09-01T15:19:24 < Laurenceb_> just wash it off in <4 seconds 2014-09-01T15:19:51 < zyp> NaOH doesn't cause burns, it just dissolves the fat in your skin 2014-09-01T15:19:54 < zyp> or something like that 2014-09-01T15:20:01 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2014-09-01T15:20:07 < jpa-> NaOH causes burns in high concentrations 2014-09-01T15:20:16 < jpa-> however, the ones used in PCB etching are very low 2014-09-01T15:20:17 < Laurenceb_> keep water handy 2014-09-01T15:20:19 < Laurenceb_> no issues 2014-09-01T15:20:21 < Tectu> yeah, but not in the concentration you use for developing, no? 2014-09-01T15:20:38 < jpa-> i don't wear gloves for pcb etching, never had trouble 2014-09-01T15:20:49 < jpa-> just don't stratch your eyes while etching 2014-09-01T15:20:55 < jpa-> *scratch 2014-09-01T15:20:56 < zyp> heh 2014-09-01T15:21:00 < qyx_> "consumer" developing solutions are only 1% NaOH 2014-09-01T15:21:17 < zyp> I'd use gloves even for FeCl 2014-09-01T15:21:30 < jpa-> fecl stains, yeah 2014-09-01T15:21:39 < jpa-> and i don't dip my hands in the etchant 2014-09-01T15:21:39 < BrainDamage> also, open a window 2014-09-01T15:21:41 < Tectu> jpa-, I do PCBs myself for around 5 years now (although always in a company) and never had issus myself. Just no experience with NaOH 2014-09-01T15:22:01 < Laurenceb_> qyx_: this was 100% at ~90C 2014-09-01T15:22:04 < Tectu> FeCl is glove-able only because of the dirty yellow spots you cannot get rid of 2014-09-01T15:22:14 < zyp> yeah 2014-09-01T15:22:19 < Tectu> lol 2014-09-01T15:22:23 < jpa-> Tectu: only nasty thing about NaOH is that you won't feel it if it gets to your eye.. it'll just destroy it slowly 2014-09-01T15:22:32 < _Sync_> or you just accept the yellow stains 2014-09-01T15:22:33 < Tectu> jpa-, shit 2014-09-01T15:22:46 < Tectu> _Sync_, did that but your workbench will look like shit after 2 years 2014-09-01T15:23:05 < _Sync_> don't etch on your workbench 2014-09-01T15:23:14 < _Sync_> protip, fecl3 etches stainless 2014-09-01T15:23:19 < Tectu> :D 2014-09-01T15:23:20 < _Sync_> makes for a strange kitchen sink 2014-09-01T15:23:40 < jpa-> not sure if the 1% NaOH is very dangerous for eyes, but don't feel like trying either 2014-09-01T15:23:51 < Tectu> does anybody have experience with two sided PCB manufacturing when your UV "machine" is only one sided? I see that those are quite common. 2014-09-01T15:24:03 < Tectu> don't mess with your eyes 2014-09-01T15:24:04 < zyp> just flip the board? 2014-09-01T15:24:14 < BrainDamage> you'll need reference crosses to align the pattern 2014-09-01T15:24:21 < Tectu> zyp, yeah. Sure. just wanting to check if it leads to usable results 2014-09-01T15:24:25 < GargantuaSauce> technically lye doesnt dissolve the fats in your skin, it just turns them into soap! 2014-09-01T15:24:27 < GargantuaSauce> which is then soluble 2014-09-01T15:24:32 < Tectu> BrainDamage, any practical advice? 2014-09-01T15:24:35 < zyp> dunno, I've only used double sided uv boxes 2014-09-01T15:24:36 < GargantuaSauce> great way to wash up in a pinch! 2014-09-01T15:24:47 < BrainDamage> drilling few ref holes in the board helps a lot 2014-09-01T15:25:02 < zyp> anyway, my trick is to print both sides on a single sheet and fold it so it lines up 2014-09-01T15:25:06 < Tectu> you prefer drilling over marking, BrainDamage ? 2014-09-01T15:25:10 < zyp> then put the board between 2014-09-01T15:25:30 < zyp> Tectu, drilling is marking 2014-09-01T15:25:39 < Tectu> zyp, so far I always printed two sheets, cut the top one down and taped it to the bottom one 2014-09-01T15:25:46 < zyp> when you need to flip the board over, you need a reference on the board 2014-09-01T15:25:47 < Tectu> marking as in pen crap 2014-09-01T15:26:04 < Tectu> one hole in two diagonal corners will do? 2014-09-01T15:26:07 < _Sync_> usually just folding the sheets into an envelope works 2014-09-01T15:26:14 < jpa-> Tectu: i've found aligning 2-sided boards at home to be too annoying for the effort 2014-09-01T15:26:19 < _Sync_> but you have to deal with maybe a mm max misalignment 2014-09-01T15:26:27 < zyp> jpa-, like home etching in general? :p 2014-09-01T15:26:32 < _Sync_> or you just get a two sided exposure unit 2014-09-01T15:26:32 < jpa-> zyp: no, not really 2014-09-01T15:26:38 < jpa-> i'm pretty happy etching 1.5 sided boards 2014-09-01T15:26:47 < BrainDamage> 1.5? 2014-09-01T15:27:09 < jpa-> BrainDamage: one signal + solid ground (http://essentialscrap.com/tips/1.5_layer_pcb/) 2014-09-01T15:27:09 < BrainDamage> 1 side + ground plane? 2014-09-01T15:27:12 < jpa-> yeah 2014-09-01T15:27:16 < BrainDamage> k 2014-09-01T15:28:08 < Tectu> this guy seems to be smart 2014-09-01T15:28:08 < Tectu> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/1.5_layer_pcb/ 2014-09-01T15:28:11 < Tectu> trolololol 2014-09-01T15:28:21 < Tectu> oh, jpa was faster linking his own website :( 2014-09-01T15:28:43 < Tectu> jpa-, oh, you do solder mask... can you tell me what you use and how troublesome it is? 2014-09-01T15:29:03 < BrainDamage> there's uv mask paint on ebay for 5$ 2014-09-01T15:29:11 < BrainDamage> it's a small bucket, but lasts quite a lot 2014-09-01T15:29:15 < jpa-> yeah, uv mask paint from ebay + nail polish lamp from ebay 2014-09-01T15:29:31 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T15:29:34 < Tectu> the UV exposure box I already use for the etching will work too I guess? 2014-09-01T15:29:38 < Tectu> jpa-, can you link to the one you use? 2014-09-01T15:29:40 < BrainDamage> yes 2014-09-01T15:29:44 < jpa-> it is somewhat annoying, because it is somewhat sensitive to layer thickness 2014-09-01T15:29:55 < BrainDamage> it's also semiwet 2014-09-01T15:29:58 < jpa-> Tectu: not really - but don't pick white, it is the worst.. green or red or clear 2014-09-01T15:30:08 < Steffanx> just buy sheets. 2014-09-01T15:30:17 < BrainDamage> sheets are expensive 2014-09-01T15:30:25 < Tectu> that ^ 2014-09-01T15:30:28 < Steffanx> pff 2014-09-01T15:30:34 < jpa-> Tectu: depends on your exposure time for etching.. for me the exposure for solder mask is 10-20x longer 2014-09-01T15:30:35 < qyx_> i tried green, blue and white is bad 2014-09-01T15:30:42 < qyx_> yep 2014-09-01T15:30:49 < GargantuaSauce> whats a good solvent for that paint? 2014-09-01T15:30:58 < GargantuaSauce> i tried white spirit and it just developed it 2014-09-01T15:30:59 < qyx_> i used my dyi lamp, 5 minutes for etching and 60m minutes for mask 2014-09-01T15:31:04 < qyx_> even more for the white one 2014-09-01T15:31:13 < GargantuaSauce> they say to use banana oil but that shit's expensive 2014-09-01T15:31:15 < BrainDamage> what's white spirit? 2014-09-01T15:31:20 < GargantuaSauce> paint thinner 2014-09-01T15:31:23 < Tectu> jpa-, mine goes from 1 to 600 seconds 2014-09-01T15:31:29 < Tectu> jpa-, and you can always "restart" it 2014-09-01T15:31:44 < jpa-> Tectu: but if it takes 2 hours to cure the soldermask, it is going to be annoying 2014-09-01T15:31:58 < zyp> jpa-, like home etching in general 2014-09-01T15:32:04 < zyp> :D 2014-09-01T15:32:07 < BrainDamage> GargantuaSauce: I used gasoline 2014-09-01T15:32:30 < jpa-> zyp: hey, i have a pseudochemist as a wife, i need to keep her interested somehow ;) 2014-09-01T15:32:37 < GargantuaSauce> ah ok i'll try that 2014-09-01T15:32:57 < jpa-> i use "odourless paint thinner / brush cleaner" 2014-09-01T15:33:15 < _Sync_> I just don't bother with resist on homemade boards 2014-09-01T15:33:53 < Tectu> zyp, stop it :D 2014-09-01T15:34:07 < Steffanx> He's right though, imho :P 2014-09-01T15:34:10 * jpa- slaps Tectu 2014-09-01T15:34:10 < Tectu> jpa-, "pseudochemist" sounds like something you should be afraid of? 2014-09-01T15:34:15 * Tectu grabs jpa- 2014-09-01T15:34:16 < Steffanx> meth cook. 2014-09-01T15:34:20 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-01T15:34:21 < Tectu> oh wait... that was the wrong way around now 2014-09-01T15:34:31 < jpa-> nah, chemical engineer (i.e. not scientist chemist) 2014-09-01T15:35:09 < Tectu> jpa-, http://www.ebay.com/itm/100g-PCB-UV-Curable-Solder-Mask-Repairing-Paint-Blue-White-Black-/231236716773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=530459577184&hash=item35d6c848e5 2014-09-01T15:35:38 < jpa-> yep, that kind 2014-09-01T15:35:49 < jpa-> red or green 2014-09-01T15:35:55 < jpa-> red if you are too cool for green 2014-09-01T15:36:01 < BrainDamage> I used blue 2014-09-01T15:36:05 < Tectu> I want to go for blue or black 2014-09-01T15:36:09 < Tectu> something again black? 2014-09-01T15:36:25 < jpa-> it's less accurate and needs longer exposure 2014-09-01T15:36:33 < jpa-> because it absorbs some of the UV 2014-09-01T15:36:47 < jpa-> but if you are doing it for the looks, maybe you don't care 2014-09-01T15:37:00 < jpa-> also hope that you get one that has not leaked in transit.. that's annoying to clean up :P 2014-09-01T15:37:08 < dongs> Tectu: pics of your kawaii boards 2014-09-01T15:37:15 < dongs> homo-etched 2014-09-01T15:37:31 < GargantuaSauce> i bought two and neither leaked, they came wrapped in plastic also 2014-09-01T15:37:49 < GargantuaSauce> different seller though i think 2014-09-01T15:37:52 < Tectu> BrainDamage, blue works well for you? 2014-09-01T15:37:59 < jpa-> i bought two, one of them had leaked into the plastic 2014-09-01T15:38:17 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCB-UV-Curable-Solder-Mask-Repairing-Paint-Blue-100g-/190547440482?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:CA:3160 yeah got mine here 2014-09-01T15:38:54 < jpa-> i use cellophane between the ink and the mask 2014-09-01T15:39:01 < jpa-> (i mean the transparency mask) 2014-09-01T15:39:09 < BrainDamage> I also have metallized vias trough punched copper rivets, but I generally don't bother because it's too time consuming 2014-09-01T15:39:09 < BrainDamage> unless it's an under-ic via 2014-09-01T15:39:29 < GargantuaSauce> nifty, how small are those 2014-09-01T15:39:31 < jpa-> i bought some 0.2mm wire.. going to try 0.2mm vias the next time i etch pcbs 2014-09-01T15:39:36 < Tectu> BrainDamage, what tool do you use? The bungard favorit? 2014-09-01T15:39:50 < Tectu> BrainDamage, only thing I am not sure about yet is the rivet thing 2014-09-01T15:39:57 < Tectu> wire soldering is crappy crap crap 2014-09-01T15:40:29 < Steffanx> whoa, that's going to be a tiny tiny drill jpa- 2014-09-01T15:40:46 < jpa-> Steffanx: yes, it says 0.2mm on the side 2014-09-01T15:40:51 < Tectu> Delivery estimate: 2014-09-01T15:40:51 < Tectu> Tue. Sep. 16 - Mon. Oct. 13 2014-09-01T15:40:55 < Steffanx> you would say so uh 2014-09-01T15:40:57 < Tectu> and at the end it will be 25th of october 2014-09-01T15:40:58 < jpa-> probably need to use the CNC for that.. might break on dremel 2014-09-01T15:41:06 < Tectu> jpa-, don't use dremel 2014-09-01T15:41:08 < Tectu> jpa-, use proxxon 2014-09-01T15:41:11 < Tectu> jpa-, and some sane bore stand 2014-09-01T15:41:14 < Steffanx> use cnc 2014-09-01T15:41:17 < jpa-> Tectu: why, when i have cnc? 2014-09-01T15:41:18 < Tectu> jpa-, I bore 0.3mm with my proxxon 2014-09-01T15:41:26 < Tectu> jpa-, what CNC do you have? I wish to have one for PCB drilling too 2014-09-01T15:41:47 < jpa-> Tectu: what, you don't read my blogs every day? :( i am disappoint 2014-09-01T15:42:06 < jpa-> 0.5 mm works fine on my dremel + stand, haven't dried 0.2mm on it 2014-09-01T15:42:09 < Tectu> jpa-, only if I see in web stats that more than 20 redirects per week happen :P 2014-09-01T15:42:16 < Tectu> jpa-, the dremel stand sucks 2014-09-01T15:42:20 < Tectu> I have two of them 2014-09-01T15:42:26 < Tectu> and one proxxon MB 200 2014-09-01T15:42:32 < BrainDamage> Tectu: I use an automatic center punch http://animatronicsworkshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/CenterPunch.jpg 2014-09-01T15:42:48 < Tectu> BrainDamage, interesting. can you post some results? 2014-09-01T15:42:48 < BrainDamage> it's a spring loaded hammer that you just push against the rivets 2014-09-01T15:42:56 < Tectu> BrainDamage, where does one get that? 2014-09-01T15:43:09 < BrainDamage> it's a common tool for metal working 2014-09-01T15:43:35 < BrainDamage> it's used to make indents on metals to give guides to initiate drilling 2014-09-01T15:43:40 < Tectu> jpa-, the "dremel sucks" is just my opinion, tho. 2014-09-01T15:43:47 < Steffanx> ^^ 2014-09-01T15:43:58 < Tectu> BrainDamage, ah, thought so. 2014-09-01T15:44:11 < BrainDamage> in my case I use it to flatten the rivets 2014-09-01T15:44:23 < BrainDamage> it requires some strength tough, so making a lot of them gets annoying 2014-09-01T15:44:29 < Tectu> BrainDamage, does it work reliably? Also, don't you need one of those at both sides? 2014-09-01T15:44:41 < BrainDamage> no, the other side is just an hard surface 2014-09-01T15:45:10 < BrainDamage> it squishes open the rivet center tube and flattens it flush on the board 2014-09-01T15:45:17 < Steffanx> i bet you can make a nice tool yourself Tectu 2014-09-01T15:45:39 < Tectu> BrainDamage, can you do under-IC vias that way? 2014-09-01T15:45:40 < BrainDamage> yes it works pretty reliably as long as you press it hard 2014-09-01T15:45:43 < BrainDamage> yes 2014-09-01T15:46:22 < Tectu> BrainDamage, do you have some pictures available? I wanted to buy the Bungard Favorit 30100 but that punch costs 250€ 2014-09-01T15:46:25 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T15:46:25 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-01T15:46:25 -!- jon1012 [~jon@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T15:46:32 < BrainDamage> for that price, just order boards 2014-09-01T15:46:49 < BrainDamage> I'll have to dig few boards 2014-09-01T15:46:55 < Tectu> only if you have time :) 2014-09-01T15:46:57 < Tectu> would be appreciated 2014-09-01T15:47:01 < BrainDamage> but for that price, do order boards 2014-09-01T15:47:10 < BrainDamage> the hole punch costs me 5€ 2014-09-01T15:47:23 < Tectu> where does one get that for 5€? It's 30€ in .ch 2014-09-01T15:47:56 < Tectu> BrainDamage, also, does the tip work for 0.5 to 0.8mm vias? 2014-09-01T15:48:02 < BrainDamage> http://www.ebay.it/itm/Set-metalizzazione-fori-Diam-interno-1-0mm-Diam-foro-1-5mm-100-pezzi-/271514477846?pt=Attrezzature_e_strumentazione&hash=item3f37862516 2014-09-01T15:48:29 < BrainDamage> that's punch + rivets 2014-09-01T15:48:33 < Tectu> http://www.brw.ch/shop/produkte/detail/index.html?t_ProduktNr=454050&t_Method=searchbox&t_Options=&t_SearchValue=k%F6rner&t_Marke=&t_TreePath=&t_SubSearch=&t_Dimension=&t_Bezeichnung=&t_EigeneArtNr=&t_OriginalNr=&t_CacheID=&t_Nav=&t_CID=1&t_Neuheiten=&t_Aktionen=&t_MyTools=&t_OurTools=&t_Node=0 2014-09-01T15:48:43 < BrainDamage> 0.8mmworks fine 0.5 I didn't try 2014-09-01T15:48:48 < Tectu> 1mm is huge 2014-09-01T15:48:52 < dongs> ohhh 2014-09-01T15:48:58 < dongs> that chipworld guy has lots of nice shit 2014-09-01T15:49:08 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251544957059 like this 2014-09-01T15:49:13 < dongs> dat price 2014-09-01T15:49:13 < dongs> daym 2014-09-01T15:49:41 < Tectu> that's what µGFX people use to wire their displays 2014-09-01T15:49:53 < BrainDamage> http://www.ebay.it/itm/Set-metalizzazione-fori-Diam-interno-0-7mm-Diam-foro-1-0mm-250-pezzi-/281354222206?pt=Attrezzature_e_strumentazione&hash=item418204ba7e 0.7mm 2014-09-01T15:49:54 < Tectu> dongs, I bet it only takes 0.0005 days for you to arrive 2014-09-01T15:50:20 < Tectu> BrainDamage, very interesting. thank you for the ideaè 2014-09-01T15:50:42 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/331096597440 2014-09-01T15:50:44 < dongs> trimpet 2014-09-01T15:50:46 < dongs> err, trumpet 2014-09-01T15:50:46 < dongs> wat 2014-09-01T15:51:49 < Tectu> BrainDamage, http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/801647/Selbstschlagender-Koerner-Vigor-V1783/?ref=no_search_results&rt=&rb=1 2014-09-01T15:51:54 < Tectu> BrainDamage, I wonder if the tip is "thin" enough 2014-09-01T15:52:57 < Tectu> http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/551678/Bungard-Nieten-zur-Durchkontaktierung-80106-Kontaktnieten-Niet-Innen-06-mm-Inhalt-1000-St/?ref=no_search_results&rt=&rb=1 2014-09-01T15:53:30 < Tectu> not sure if I want 0.8mm or 0.6mm for starters 2014-09-01T15:53:48 < Steffanx> dongs, that's one of those ebay shops you shouldnt visit too often or you will end up with a shitload of crap 2014-09-01T15:53:49 < BrainDamage> there's a 10 pixel video here http://www.ebay.it/itm/Set-metalizzazione-fori-Diam-interno-0-7mm-Diam-foro-1-0mm-250-pezzi-/281354222206?pt=Attrezzature_e_strumentazione&hash=item418204ba7e 2014-09-01T15:53:50 < BrainDamage> ops 2014-09-01T15:53:54 < BrainDamage> http://www.pcbfacile.com/media/rivettatrice.mpg 2014-09-01T15:53:56 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251609949290 ?????????????????????? 2014-09-01T15:54:02 < BrainDamage> warning, 10 pixel resolution 2014-09-01T15:54:02 < dongs> Steffanx: lol no shit 2014-09-01T15:54:10 < dongs> Steffanx: already furiosuly resisting from adding shit to cart 2014-09-01T15:54:17 < Tectu> "for Arduino Raspberry" 2014-09-01T15:54:21 < Laurenceb_> omg 2014-09-01T15:54:25 < dongs> Tectu: thats why i linked 2014-09-01T15:54:29 < Tectu> dongs, <3 2014-09-01T15:54:30 < Laurenceb_> sounds like a kool platofrm 2014-09-01T15:54:36 < dongs> its not even ARM either 2014-09-01T15:54:37 < BrainDamage> +aid 2014-09-01T15:54:40 < dongs> STM8S103... 2014-09-01T15:54:48 < Laurenceb_> lolz 2014-09-01T15:54:51 < BrainDamage> do people even use stm8? 2014-09-01T15:54:55 < dongs> yes 2014-09-01T15:55:00 < Laurenceb_> jews dont count 2014-09-01T15:55:02 < Tectu> BrainDamage, that video... 2014-09-01T15:55:27 < Laurenceb_> dat quality 2014-09-01T15:55:31 < qyx_> dongs: that was my first stm32 devel board 2014-09-01T15:55:41 < Tectu> "dev boad" 2014-09-01T15:55:44 < qyx_> although with stm32f205 2014-09-01T15:55:53 < qyx_> it was like $20 2014-09-01T15:55:58 < qyx_> and a bit bigger 2014-09-01T15:59:19 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/331281879656 wasnt this a dickstarter recently 2014-09-01T16:00:12 < Steffanx> looks more like a indigogo project 2014-09-01T16:01:16 < BrainDamage> like there's a difference 2014-09-01T16:01:50 < GargantuaSauce> yeah the ebay one exists 2014-09-01T16:03:01 -!- tyler_durden [7a0f9082@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.15.144.130] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T16:03:08 < Tectu> LOL 2014-09-01T16:03:40 < GargantuaSauce> lol i misread that to good effect 2014-09-01T16:03:50 < GargantuaSauce> god damnit i have a big ebay cart again 2014-09-01T16:03:55 < GargantuaSauce> this shit keeps happening 2014-09-01T16:04:41 < Tectu> cu people of the earth 2014-09-01T16:04:58 * Tectu slaps jpa 2014-09-01T16:05:01 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-01T16:05:23 < tyler_durden> hello how to convert double to string, i used snprintf in iar and it doesnt work ? 2014-09-01T16:05:31 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T16:05:54 < Tectu> BrainDamage, one more question: do you solder the rivets afterwards or do they make good contact? 2014-09-01T16:06:30 < BrainDamage> if if I put the punch to high strength they make good contact by themselves 2014-09-01T16:06:36 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-razsovsngudpbiqz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T16:06:42 < Tectu> okay, cu 2014-09-01T16:07:16 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-01T16:08:56 < GargantuaSauce> dongs where did the linker script in baseflight come from 2014-09-01T16:09:18 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: um either stdperiphlib or.. fuck knows 2014-09-01T16:09:23 < GargantuaSauce> k 2014-09-01T16:09:23 < dongs> i didnt write the gcc one 2014-09-01T16:09:29 < dongs> keil has automatic one 2014-09-01T16:12:13 < PaulFertser> BTW, libopencm3 has automatic scripts too 2014-09-01T16:14:56 < GargantuaSauce> yeah looks like the ST one with the header changed 2014-09-01T16:15:04 * GargantuaSauce invokes license drama 2014-09-01T16:15:44 < Steffanx> /msg chanserv appendtopic ##stm32 no license drama :P 2014-09-01T16:15:51 < tyler_durden> hello anybody ... double to string conversion using snprintf happens with the example st code where as in my project it doesnt work...??? 2014-09-01T16:16:13 < dongs> does gcc snprintf even do floats/double 2014-09-01T16:16:25 < GargantuaSauce> tyler_durden i am going to guess the stdlib implementation you're using stripped floating point support from printf to save code space 2014-09-01T16:16:38 < GargantuaSauce> gcc's works fine, this has got to be a third party thing 2014-09-01T16:16:49 < Steffanx> it's IAR 2014-09-01T16:16:51 < dongs> codeblogsourcery 2014-09-01T16:16:53 < dongs> is it? 2014-09-01T16:16:55 < Steffanx> yes 2014-09-01T16:16:57 < dongs> is this hte iar guy 2014-09-01T16:17:12 < Steffanx> " hello how to convert double to string, i used snprintf in iar and it doesnt work ?" 2014-09-01T16:17:13 < dongs> tyler_durden> hello how to convert double to string, i used snprintf in iar and it doesnt work ? 2014-09-01T16:17:16 < dongs> oh. 2014-09-01T16:17:18 < dongs> yes just saw that 2014-09-01T16:17:31 < dongs> .googleto tyler_durden ftoa() 2014-09-01T16:20:14 < PaulFertser> dongs: newlib has several printf/scanf implementations, some of them support floats, yes; one can get smaller code when not using those of course. 2014-09-01T16:20:38 < GargantuaSauce> ok hold the phone 2014-09-01T16:20:46 < GargantuaSauce> i was under the impression that "newlib" is not one single implementation 2014-09-01T16:21:18 < GargantuaSauce> but a blanket term for like half a dozen different cstdlib implementations 2014-09-01T16:21:19 < dongs> all I know is they all suck 2014-09-01T16:21:27 < GargantuaSauce> is this incorrect? 2014-09-01T16:27:14 < PaulFertser> GargantuaSauce: there's one newlib, and there's a fork called newlib-nano, and that's all afaict. 2014-09-01T16:27:35 < GargantuaSauce> ah ok so it is one specific project 2014-09-01T16:28:34 < GargantuaSauce> now i need to figure out what gave me that impression! 2014-09-01T16:34:59 < Laurenceb_> http://uni.xkcd.com/ 2014-09-01T16:46:52 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-01T16:53:33 -!- Trollence [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T16:54:10 -!- Trollence is now known as Laurenceb 2014-09-01T16:56:52 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-227-160.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-01T16:58:56 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-224-79.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T17:14:50 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.43] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T17:16:17 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T17:20:51 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acaf8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T17:22:12 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-01T17:46:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T18:10:09 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-razsovsngudpbiqz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-01T18:13:27 < Steffanx> dongs got https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAeXl7hZnx4 yet? 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My main computer ('Brushtail') had NetBSD installed on August 24th, 20 years ago.. 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scooter are German?! 2014-09-01T20:31:34 < Laurenceb> wtf 2014-09-01T20:31:49 < Laurenceb> thought something that mental could only be from UK 2014-09-01T20:32:20 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-01T20:39:20 < baird> jpa-: There's a backup archive with the statically-compiled Mosiac binary somewhere.. 2014-09-01T20:40:28 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-96-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-01T20:42:45 -!- monique [~monique@unaffiliated/monique] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T20:45:02 -!- monique__ [~monique@unaffiliated/monique] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-01T20:55:18 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T20:58:20 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-01T21:06:18 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T21:06:50 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-01T21:09:48 -!- Vutral 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one 2014-09-01T23:00:11 < Steffanx> there is no need to when there is stm32 :D 2014-09-01T23:00:49 < Steffanx> or other cortex-m[whatever] 2014-09-01T23:00:58 < kakeman> ye 2014-09-01T23:01:17 < kakeman> whatever brand cortex mcu 2014-09-01T23:01:47 < kakeman> still haven't blinked a led with my lpc 2014-09-01T23:02:28 < Steffanx> uh? 2014-09-01T23:03:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-01T23:05:56 < kakeman> taking a break with it and doing other stuff 2014-09-01T23:11:10 < BrainDamage> you do want to touch avr stuff 2014-09-01T23:11:16 < BrainDamage> avr libs are pretty limited 2014-09-01T23:11:22 < BrainDamage> err, arduino 2014-09-01T23:11:48 < BrainDamage> not sure now, but last time I checked, you couldn't even get an interrupt for adc conversion finished 2014-09-01T23:13:34 -!- grummund [~user@82.152.241.201] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-01T23:13:42 -!- grummund [~user@82.152.241.201] has quit [Changing host] 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2014-09-02T01:49:21 < grummund> dunno what's wrong. display is dead 2014-09-02T01:50:01 < grummund> would be nice project to control all the valves and motors 2014-09-02T01:50:54 < grummund> it's one of these http://jdesbonnet.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/hotpoint-aquarius-fdw60-dishwasher.html 2014-09-02T02:16:32 -!- fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-02T02:16:57 -!- fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T02:22:17 < dongs> < grummund> why does stm32cube suck so much? 2014-09-02T02:22:21 < dongs> do you need an answer? 2014-09-02T02:22:26 < dongs> or have you figured it out yourself 2014-09-02T02:24:43 < grummund> yes but 2014-09-02T02:24:47 < grummund> does battery backed sram power up in known state? 2014-09-02T02:24:58 < _Sync_> maybe 2014-09-02T02:25:10 < dongs> i dont remember 2014-09-02T02:25:59 < _Sync_> depends on the chip 2014-09-02T02:30:02 < grummund> don't make me look at the datasheet 2014-09-02T02:30:41 < dongs> why do you care if they do or don't 2014-09-02T02:30:53 < dongs> all you need to care is taht they are not cleared over reest 2014-09-02T02:32:41 < grummund> if i put a magic number in there to say "yaeh this has been done" 2014-09-02T02:32:59 < grummund> if it always powers up ffff that's fine 2014-09-02T02:33:23 < grummund> but if sram poweres up random it could happen by chance 2014-09-02T02:33:38 < upgrdman> make it longer than a number? 2014-09-02T02:33:46 < grummund> how long? 2014-09-02T02:33:49 < upgrdman> put "OMGWTFBBQ" in there or someshit 2014-09-02T02:34:03 < upgrdman> so probability is on your side :) 2014-09-02T02:34:19 < grummund> yeah but that only leaves like 1 byte free to use 2014-09-02T02:34:25 < upgrdman> o 2014-09-02T02:34:38 < upgrdman> only 10 bytes? 2014-09-02T02:34:49 < grummund> battery back sran is 5 x 32-bit registers 2014-09-02T02:34:57 < upgrdman> :( 2014-09-02T02:35:00 < upgrdman> TIL 2014-09-02T02:35:33 < grummund> otherwise i must figure out how to store in internal flash 2014-09-02T02:35:40 < grummund> that means hacking the linker file 2014-09-02T02:36:00 < upgrdman> i just write to the last flash page, and make sure my firmware isn't too big 2014-09-02T02:36:23 < gxti_> what are you storing? 2014-09-02T02:36:29 < grummund> codez 2014-09-02T02:36:42 < grummund> security codez 2014-09-02T02:37:11 < gxti_> just use a checksum or something 2014-09-02T02:37:22 < grummund> same problem 2014-09-02T02:38:12 < grummund> 2-byte checksum == 1/65536 chance it'll match if contents are random at power on 2014-09-02T02:39:02 < gxti_> they aren't random 2014-09-02T02:39:17 < grummund> k. what? 0xffff ? 2014-09-02T02:39:21 < gxti_> RTFM 2014-09-02T02:39:26 < grummund> yeh 2014-09-02T02:39:30 < grummund> sleep 2014-09-02T02:39:42 < grummund> will rtfm tomorrow 2014-09-02T02:39:49 < upgrdman> "too much work. time to nap." 2014-09-02T02:40:06 < gxti_> you spent like an hour speculating how to work around a problem that 2mins of looking at the reference manual would have solved 2014-09-02T02:40:10 < gxti_> congrats 2014-09-02T02:40:21 < grummund> i was multitasking 2014-09-02T02:41:34 < upgrdman> how to tap a keg: http://i.imgur.com/61TBbz4.gif 2014-09-02T02:42:22 < grummund> what a waste 2014-09-02T02:44:36 < _Sync_> nubs 2014-09-02T02:45:08 < _Sync_> they have to hit hard to get it in the first time 2014-09-02T02:45:13 < _Sync_> otherwise that happens 2014-09-02T02:45:47 < _Sync_> and no love tap before that 2014-09-02T02:53:44 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-02T03:00:07 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tuexxlxskmzqqtcj] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T03:06:44 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-02T03:21:24 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-250-215.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T03:21:57 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-224-79.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping 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http://www.electrodragon.com/product/esp8266-wi07c-wifi-module/ seenthis yet 2014-09-02T06:37:42 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-02T06:39:04 < dongs> haha 2014-09-02T06:39:07 < dongs> they're 3.50 from my chinagirl 2014-09-02T06:39:09 < dongs> emeb_mac: ^ 2014-09-02T06:39:19 < dongs> gonna get 5 for fuckin around 2014-09-02T06:39:35 < dongs> how th fuck do you even make profit 2014-09-02T06:39:38 < dongs> from a 3.5$ wifi module 2014-09-02T06:39:54 < emeb_mac> nice price 2014-09-02T06:40:19 < emeb_mac> they seem like they could be useful - if they work 2014-09-02T06:40:25 < dongs> right 2014-09-02T06:40:33 < dongs> if shit works im gonna internetofdicks EVERYTHING 2014-09-02T06:40:34 < emeb_mac> haven't seen anyone report success yet 2014-09-02T06:40:42 < dongs> wifi in my toilet seat warmer 2014-09-02T06:41:00 < emeb_mac> internet of things! 2014-09-02T06:41:54 < emeb_mac> all depends if those chinachips are the real thing 2014-09-02T06:42:29 < emeb_mac> nameless chinachips are often... sketchy 2014-09-02T06:43:27 < emeb_mac> as may be - but with all the talk I haven't seen anyone report that they actually have used these 2014-09-02T06:45:43 < emeb_mac> not saying everything from there is junk! 2014-09-02T06:46:05 < emeb_mac> I am saying I've never heard of this company, and despite the hype the stuff is unproven 2014-09-02T06:48:28 < emeb_mac> what? rushjob? no! 2014-09-02T06:50:46 < emeb_mac> would really be interested in seeing a block diagram of the chip architecture 2014-09-02T06:51:28 < emeb_mac> of course they don't. still would be interesting 2014-09-02T06:51:39 < emeb_mac> spi, uart, I2S 2014-09-02T06:51:54 < emeb_mac> might be able to make audio streaming node 2014-09-02T06:52:18 < emeb_mac> is it only B? 2014-09-02T06:53:30 < emeb_mac> ay 2014-09-02T06:53:35 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined 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going 2014-09-02T06:57:40 < dongs> sweet 2014-09-02T06:57:43 < dongs> what is it arm? 2014-09-02T06:57:45 < dongs> or some oddball shit 2014-09-02T06:59:27 < emeb_mac> dongs: ISTR oddball 2014-09-02T06:59:55 < dongs> oh, 8266 is some RISC shit 2014-09-02T07:00:02 < dongs> 8600 is "32bit" something 2014-09-02T07:00:10 < dongs> err esp6000 2014-09-02T07:00:23 < gxti_> china wifi thing probably mostly works 2014-09-02T07:00:30 < emeb_mac> Tensilica xtensa processor 2014-09-02T07:00:53 < emeb_mac> R2COM: no - not yet 2014-09-02T07:01:01 < dongs> this will be the first! 2014-09-02T07:01:08 < emeb_mac> haha 2014-09-02T07:01:09 < dongs> imagine, if its cheap and good 2014-09-02T07:01:20 < emeb_mac> dongs: http://www.esp8266.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19 2014-09-02T07:02:04 < emeb_mac> R2COM: that's a big job 2014-09-02T07:02:14 < emeb_mac> need lots of IP - analog & digital 2014-09-02T07:02:23 < dongs> hah 2014-09-02T07:02:50 < gxti_> lol 2014-09-02T07:03:07 < emeb_mac> yep - only needs $1e6 worth of tools 2014-09-02T07:03:39 < gxti_> not to mention a huge amount of expertise in numerous different fields 2014-09-02T07:03:55 < dongs> needs blogging expertise 2014-09-02T07:03:56 < gxti_> which sure one guy could probably do it but not as well as possible 2014-09-02T07:05:33 < emeb_mac> doing an SoC like that really needs a team 2014-09-02T07:05:37 < gxti_> and lots of boring shit too like software, which is probably the part of chinawifi that sucks 2014-09-02T07:05:47 < emeb_mac> and access to lots of good IP 2014-09-02T07:06:10 < emeb_mac> IP for wifi modem 2014-09-02T07:06:26 < gxti_> no the radio stuff 2014-09-02T07:06:36 < emeb_mac> the radio PHY is not easy 2014-09-02T07:06:41 < gxti_> and the digital parts 2014-09-02T07:06:49 < emeb_mac> all the DSP 2014-09-02T07:06:50 < gxti_> i know approximately nothing about it so i don't know the terms 2014-09-02T07:07:03 < gxti_> but it's not like you can plop down stm32w1 and do wifi 2014-09-02T07:07:28 < emeb_mac> I worked at Intersil 12 yrs ago on the old Prism stuff - that stuff doesn't just grow on trees 2014-09-02T07:08:27 < dongs> chinese one? 2014-09-02T07:08:28 < dongs> right. 2014-09-02T07:08:38 < emeb_mac> probably stole it all. :) 2014-09-02T07:08:48 < gxti_> and hacked it together in the cheapest way possible 2014-09-02T07:08:56 < emeb_mac> that 2014-09-02T07:08:57 < dongs> at those prices, most likely 2014-09-02T07:09:06 < gxti_> time is never free 2014-09-02T07:09:08 < dongs> just hit autoroute 2014-09-02T07:09:11 < gxti_> even in china 2014-09-02T07:09:16 < emeb_mac> I think someone said that their TCPIP stack is LWIP 2014-09-02T07:09:29 < dongs> why would it be anything else 2014-09-02T07:09:42 < dongs> y 2014-09-02T07:09:50 < gxti_> well, it could be some garbage from the 2000s they stole 2014-09-02T07:09:56 < gxti_> but if it's lwip at least it won't be too trashy 2014-09-02T07:10:16 < gxti_> anyway 2014-09-02T07:10:34 < gxti_> point is, you get what you pay for. $5 wifi module is pretty cool but don't be surprised when it has dumb bugs 2014-09-02T07:10:55 < emeb_mac> gxti_: exactly - dumb bugs 2014-09-02T07:11:03 -!- gxti_ is now known as gxti 2014-09-02T07:11:23 < emeb_mac> so it will be interesting to see where the wheels come off. 2014-09-02T07:11:33 < gxti> i'll be watching 2014-09-02T07:11:44 < gxti> no way i'd put it in a product or anything but fun for internet toilets or whatever 2014-09-02T07:11:48 < emeb_mac> probably has crappy range with that antenna 2014-09-02T07:12:18 < emeb_mac> probably won't talk to all routers from Cisco, but D-Link is OK :P 2014-09-02T07:13:51 < emeb_mac> R2COM: pretty sure I've seen some, but don't recall the part numbers 2014-09-02T07:16:14 < emeb_mac> http://www.ti.com/product/wl1835mod?DCMP=PPC_Google_TI&k_clickid=73d0ed74-04df-f189-e2b1-0000289edad3 2014-09-02T07:17:23 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-02T07:21:27 -!- FreezingCold 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2014-09-02T08:57:25 < emeb_mac> sure sounds like it 2014-09-02T08:57:35 < emeb_mac> also ref to AHB/APB 2014-09-02T08:57:38 < zyp> looks like jtag is available too 2014-09-02T08:57:42 < zyp> yeah 2014-09-02T08:58:00 < zyp> ok, I want a couple of those :p 2014-09-02T08:58:16 < qyx_> arm + 2.4G sdr rf frontend? 2014-09-02T08:58:20 < qyx_> hmmmm 2014-09-02T08:58:51 < zyp> probably a full hardware MAC 2014-09-02T09:00:10 < emeb_mac> looks like 2014-09-02T09:01:02 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-02T09:01:10 < englishman> 20dBm without external shit is nice 2014-09-02T09:02:07 < emeb_mac> qyx_: I'd be surprised if it has generic access to the RF side 2014-09-02T09:02:20 < emeb_mac> looks like it all goes through a dedicated wifi PHY/MAC 2014-09-02T09:02:29 < emeb_mac> not a good candidate for SDR 2014-09-02T09:03:36 < zyp> but a very good candidate for small wlan stuff, especially if you can put your own code on it 2014-09-02T09:03:45 < emeb_mac> yes 2014-09-02T09:03:59 < emeb_mac> but would need a _lot_ more detailed data than that ds provides 2014-09-02T09:04:29 < qyx_> why do they say 802.1n 2.4/5GHz support? 2014-09-02T09:04:33 < zyp> unless you reverse engineer the stock firmware :p 2014-09-02T09:04:50 < emeb_mac> zyp: you could do that. doubt that I could. :) 2014-09-02T09:05:05 < qyx_> the firmware probably supports other chips as well 2014-09-02T09:05:40 < qyx_> also they say mac is supported in firmware 2014-09-02T09:05:42 < emeb_mac> that mfg does have a lot of related chips 2014-09-02T09:06:08 < emeb_mac> probably a lot of crossover 2014-09-02T09:08:37 * emeb_mac wonders how long zyp would have one of these modules before he'd dumped the flash contents 2014-09-02T09:10:09 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tuexxlxskmzqqtcj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-02T09:10:23 < zyp> that's the first thing I'd do :p 2014-09-02T09:10:51 < zyp> after stopping being lazy and figuring out something that can read the flash 2014-09-02T09:11:27 < emeb_mac> yep 2014-09-02T09:11:52 < qyx_> ftdi mpsse cable, they even have app for that 2014-09-02T09:12:06 < qyx_> if you have one handy 2014-09-02T09:13:52 < emeb_mac> looks like your basic spi flash 2014-09-02T09:15:52 < emeb_mac> hold the main chip in reset, solder/clip to the spi pins and clock out the data 2014-09-02T09:16:41 < zyp> yeah 2014-09-02T09:16:50 < emeb_mac> the 8-pin header has VDD/GND, 3 GPIO, 1 Reset, TX, RX 2014-09-02T09:24:22 -!- rewolff [~wolff@95-36-47-159.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-02T09:31:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T09:33:16 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-02T09:35:13 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T09:38:38 -!- rewolff [~wolff@95-36-47-159.dsl.alice.nl] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T09:42:50 -!- 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2014-09-02T11:39:19 < edmont> with zoom: http://postimg.org/image/l7vn78faj/ 2014-09-02T11:42:00 < jpa-> arrived to the SPI TX register or finished transmitting over SPI? 2014-09-02T11:42:24 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T11:42:41 < jpa-> the ref manual tells you how you need to wait before disabling SPI after transfer 2014-09-02T11:52:08 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-02T11:56:23 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-02T11:56:54 < edmont> jpa-: actually SPI_TX_EN and SPI_RX_EN are not modifying the SPI configuration, they are just signals for the master 2014-09-02T11:57:58 < edmont> but i already realized the dma transfer complete interrupt triggers when the last byte is pushed to the spi buffer 2014-09-02T11:58:05 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T11:58:40 < edmont> i just need to introduce some delay before enabling the dma reception 2014-09-02T11:59:04 < edmont> so that i don'r read a byte that actually is being transmited 2014-09-02T11:59:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-02T12:00:23 < edmont> so that is solved, but now the problem is the DMA automatically reads one byte from the SPI when enabled 2014-09-02T12:00:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-02T12:00:54 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-02T12:00:59 < edmont> but that's not data that the master is transfering 2014-09-02T12:01:45 < edmont> maybe i should read SPI->DR myself before enabling DMA reception 2014-09-02T12:01:51 < edmont> or check SPI flags 2014-09-02T12:04:28 -!- DanteA [~X@host-106-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-02T12:07:04 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T12:09:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T12:09:47 < jpa-> edmont: don't you get SPI overflow state anyway if you are not reading the DR away? 2014-09-02T12:10:08 < jpa-> i suggest just to configure the transmit and receive DMA all at once and throw away the rx data that you don't need 2014-09-02T12:23:43 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-8.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T12:23:49 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T12:26:57 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-02T12:35:15 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-02T12:35:45 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T12:35:48 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T12:42:15 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2014-09-02T12:42:29 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T12:48:32 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-02T12:54:35 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-02T12:54:37 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T12:55:21 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T12:56:52 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-02T13:01:37 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-8.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-02T13:04:14 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-02T13:07:56 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T13:13:32 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-02T13:19:30 < Fleck> 10k for pushbutton is ok? For pulldown 2014-09-02T13:20:19 < dongs> thats what i used' 2014-09-02T13:20:22 < dongs> and a .1uf cap 2014-09-02T13:20:25 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T13:20:39 < dongs> i just use 10k everywhere regardless of wat the spec says 2014-09-02T13:20:42 < Fleck> across button pins? 2014-09-02T13:20:54 < dongs> just so it makes rc so you get free debounce 2014-09-02T13:21:11 < dongs> ya acros button 2014-09-02T13:21:15 < dongs> and 10k to pulldown or whatever 2014-09-02T13:21:28 < Fleck> ok, thx dongs 2014-09-02T13:28:46 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-02T13:29:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T14:14:42 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T14:15:32 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-181-48.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-02T14:16:48 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-02T14:27:45 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/OE7NkxR.jpg 2014-09-02T14:28:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-02T14:39:40 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-02T14:39:41 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T14:42:38 < dongs> who teh fuck is jlaw anyway 2014-09-02T14:44:01 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-02T14:44:05 < dongs> wow just googled 2014-09-02T14:44:08 < dongs> i havent seen a single film she was in 2014-09-02T14:44:13 < dongs> and: im not missing anything at all 2014-09-02T14:44:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T14:44:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-02T14:47:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T14:51:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-02T14:52:54 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121362691451 attn GargantuaSauce 2014-09-02T14:53:40 < GargantuaSauce> 16 channels? get on my level bro 2014-09-02T14:54:42 < GargantuaSauce> wonder what mcu that is 2014-09-02T14:55:06 < dongs> probly f103 2014-09-02T14:55:15 < dongs> you can have exactly 16 timers 2014-09-02T14:55:17 < dongs> if you ignroe everything else 2014-09-02T14:55:23 < dongs> TIM1-4, 4 channels each 2014-09-02T14:56:08 < GargantuaSauce> most products like that i've seen are pic16. could be f103c though i guess yeah 2014-09-02T14:56:36 < dongs> well 2014-09-02T14:56:38 < rewolff> Hmm. weird.... 2014-09-02T14:56:38 < dongs> 3 bypass caps in corner 2014-09-02T14:56:47 < dongs> crystal tho is on wrong oplace 2014-09-02T14:57:00 < rewolff> 28 servo connectors, and then claims to handle 16 channels..... 2014-09-02T14:57:32 < dongs> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 2014-09-02T14:57:38 < GargantuaSauce> looks like uart and a->d are broken out to some of those headers 2014-09-02T14:58:31 < rewolff> Yeah. 2014-09-02T14:58:33 < GargantuaSauce> i guess it could be f103 if the way the package is scratched out is misleading and it's really just upside down in the pic 2014-09-02T14:58:46 < rewolff> The "real" servo connectors are marked S01 ... S24. 2014-09-02T14:58:58 < Laurenceb> CSi ENHANCE 2014-09-02T14:59:21 < jpa-> servos are easy enough to do with DMA + timer also.. 8-bit accuracy is usually enough 2014-09-02T14:59:30 < rewolff> So that leaves a 16 <-> 24 difference to account for..... 2014-09-02T14:59:35 < GargantuaSauce> my halfassed 32 channel one uses a single timer and spi and a busyloop 2014-09-02T15:00:01 < rewolff> Yeah, but they claim 1 microsecond accuracy, so they have to deliver. 2014-09-02T15:00:06 < GargantuaSauce> lol 2014-09-02T15:00:13 < GargantuaSauce> funny 2014-09-02T15:00:14 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111414415362 gonna buy this 2014-09-02T15:01:10 < GargantuaSauce> and do some clonnovation? 2014-09-02T15:01:14 < dongs> ya 2014-09-02T15:03:55 < PaulFertser> Why's raspberrypi mentioned there? 2014-09-02T15:04:06 < dongs> because hits 2014-09-02T15:05:30 < BrainDamage> blog cred 2014-09-02T15:09:38 < rewolff> Well... it is difficult to find sub-$60 7" screens for a raspberry pi. 2014-09-02T15:09:55 < rewolff> And a 7" screen can be "builtin" to your car or things like that. 2014-09-02T15:15:11 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fpraxoyroxhdqyad] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T15:24:36 < Laurenceb> i hate matlab 2014-09-02T15:24:48 < Laurenceb> HAAATTEEEE 2014-09-02T15:26:06 < GargantuaSauce> so use octave, it's totally better :V 2014-09-02T15:27:25 < Laurenceb> this is work stuff :-/ 2014-09-02T15:28:08 < dongs> lol octave 2014-09-02T15:28:15 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.io/project/2150 <- lol atmega 2014-09-02T15:29:05 < dongs> wwwwwwjebus 2014-09-02T15:29:12 < dongs> and they used that inemo sensor module shit? 2014-09-02T15:29:25 < dongs> you could probly do all the tracking and servo shit on the remaining memory of that thing 2014-09-02T15:29:29 < dongs> instead of bringing in failmega 2014-09-02T15:33:37 < Laurenceb> at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source) at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(Unknown Source) 2014-09-02T15:33:37 < Laurenceb> at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(Unknown Source) 2014-09-02T15:33:37 < Laurenceb> at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(Unknown Source) 2014-09-02T15:33:37 < Laurenceb> at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source) 2014-09-02T15:33:37 < Laurenceb> at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source) at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source) 2014-09-02T15:33:41 < Laurenceb> fuck yeah 2014-09-02T15:34:08 < Laurenceb> this goes on for ever 2014-09-02T15:34:11 < Claude> the fresh java pump is clogged? 2014-09-02T15:34:16 < Laurenceb> probably 2014-09-02T15:34:25 < Laurenceb> seaweed 2014-09-02T15:36:06 < Laurenceb> how does anyone debug this shit 2014-09-02T15:36:21 < xkonni> using the adc to write received data to psram. works so far, now i'd like to write the psram on a sdcard, SD_WaitWriteOperation gets stuck in an endless loop. i'd guess the dma for sdcard is already in use, any other ideas? 2014-09-02T15:37:44 < jpa-> debug the bug, see what causes it 2014-09-02T15:37:56 < jpa-> no need for guesswork 2014-09-02T15:37:56 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-02T15:38:35 < Laurenceb> but its a bug in matlab... 2014-09-02T15:39:12 < jpa-> not for you, xkonni 2014-09-02T15:39:18 < jpa-> you can just go fap and be happy 2014-09-02T15:39:22 < Laurenceb> yup 2014-09-02T15:40:22 < xkonni> jpa-: it gets stuck in: while ( ( SD_DMAEndOfTransferStatus() == RESET ) && ( TransferEnd == 0 ) && ( TransferError == SD_OK ) && ( timeout > 0 ) ) 2014-09-02T15:41:25 < jpa-> xkonni: so take loop at the the DMA registers for the channel that it is using 2014-09-02T15:41:29 < jpa-> *took 2014-09-02T15:41:31 < jpa-> *look 2014-09-02T15:41:33 < jpa-> *crap 2014-09-02T15:42:06 < GargantuaSauce> so take a look at the screen while you're typing :x 2014-09-02T15:43:16 < xkonni> right, the adc->psram and sdcard both use dma2... different streams though 2014-09-02T15:44:46 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T15:47:02 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T15:49:27 < jpa-> xkonni: it is fine to use different streams simultaneously 2014-09-02T15:49:38 < jpa-> xkonni: have you tried it without the other dma going? 2014-09-02T15:50:00 < xkonni> yes, both things work separately 2014-09-02T15:50:20 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T15:50:23 < xkonni> but now i wanted to combine them, sdcard never finishes... 2014-09-02T15:50:33 < xkonni> so now i adapt my dma configuration, right? 2014-09-02T15:51:32 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T15:57:57 < jpa-> xkonni: but you just said they are using different streams, i.e. no conflict 2014-09-02T16:03:54 < xkonni> true... just double checked that 2014-09-02T16:04:40 < xkonni> and the dma_init() targets a specific stream, so i dont know how one could affect the other 2014-09-02T16:04:58 < xkonni> are there any attributes the streams need to have in common? 2014-09-02T16:06:40 < jpa-> not really 2014-09-02T16:06:51 < jpa-> but if either code resets the dma controller, that would mess up the other one 2014-09-02T16:07:45 < xkonni> no, just calling DMA_DeInit(StreamX) 2014-09-02T16:11:30 < jpa-> i have no idea what those stdperiph functions do 2014-09-02T16:14:48 < GargantuaSauce> yeah you are going to have to peruse its source and carefully compare to the reference manual 2014-09-02T16:39:55 < aadamson> anyone got a recommendation for a buck-boost 3v3 smps on 2.7-4.2v lipo? I looked at the ti tps63000, just wondering if there are other recommendations? 2014-09-02T16:39:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-99-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T16:41:37 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T16:41:42 < jpa-> i'm usually lazy and just use 150mV LDO 2014-09-02T16:41:55 < jpa-> lipos are mostly empty at 3.5V anyway if the load is not large 2014-09-02T16:43:46 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-02T16:44:40 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T16:45:32 < aadamson> jpa- yeah, that's an option, but also looking at AAA/AA litiums too in the right numbers 2014-09-02T16:46:45 -!- DanteA [~X@host-99-158-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-02T16:46:46 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T16:47:45 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T16:51:40 < dongs> AaaAAaaAAAAAaaAAaAAa 2014-09-02T16:51:55 < dongs> tps63000 < thats waht i use 2014-09-02T16:53:02 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-02T16:54:21 < aadamson> Thanks dongs... yeah, it looks pretty good. 2014-09-02T16:54:33 < aadamson> may try an mcp73832 as well to charge it from usb 2014-09-02T16:55:24 < dongs> i used some BQ thing 2014-09-02T16:55:28 < dongs> for charge 2014-09-02T16:55:41 < dongs> BQ24010 it was c heap 2014-09-02T16:56:23 < dongs> hm, not bad on MCP 2014-09-02T16:56:45 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-02T16:56:57 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-02T16:57:13 < Laurenceb> aadamson: 3.3v balloon? 2014-09-02T16:57:36 < dongs> wow, thats super cheap 2014-09-02T16:57:44 < aadamson> Laurenceb, at some point, will have an M4 core, and stx3 etc not pico however 2014-09-02T16:57:59 < aadamson> which dongs the mcp? 2014-09-02T16:58:10 < aadamson> nice thing about the bq is wider input voltage if wanted 2014-09-02T16:58:26 < Laurenceb> ooh stx3 2014-09-02T16:58:31 < Laurenceb> very epic 2014-09-02T16:58:44 < Laurenceb> but you need a decent envelope first :D 2014-09-02T16:58:48 < aadamson> not sure about that, but interesting none-the less 2014-09-02T16:59:05 < aadamson> Laurenceb, oh, not for a floater, just fun for up and down 2014-09-02T16:59:19 < aadamson> I'm a tinkerer :) 2014-09-02T16:59:21 < Laurenceb> oh 2014-09-02T16:59:27 < Laurenceb> thats ... odd 2014-09-02T16:59:29 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T16:59:35 < Laurenceb> why not just normal radio?! 2014-09-02T16:59:45 < aadamson> as they say - cuz you can :) 2014-09-02T16:59:54 < dongs> aadamson: o, wide vin is pretty useless plus its linear so it will probably suck huge dick at 16V 2014-09-02T17:00:05 < dongs> i picked it mostly for 1A charge ucrrent 2014-09-02T17:00:12 < dongs> but i got some other projects where MCP should do just fine 2014-09-02T17:00:21 < aadamson> actually someone (not me) may use it in a floater, but I really have no interest in a large balloon 2014-09-02T17:00:23 < dongs> and its way cheaper even at digikey 2014-09-02T17:00:33 < aadamson> ah good to know dongs thanks for the validation 2014-09-02T17:00:52 < Laurenceb> huh 2014-09-02T17:00:58 < Laurenceb> Leos balloons arent large 2014-09-02T17:01:18 < aadamson> Laurenceb, no I know, but leo's balloons also couldn't carry 40 grams 2014-09-02T17:01:26 < Laurenceb> oh i see 2014-09-02T17:01:26 < aadamson> well, they could, but you know what I mean 2014-09-02T17:02:11 < aadamson> we'll see, right now it's all just vaporware :) 2014-09-02T17:02:20 < aadamson> having too much fun playing with *small stuff* 2014-09-02T17:03:00 < aadamson> hehe and still need to play with the dac 2014-09-02T17:03:02 < aadamson> :) 2014-09-02T17:05:06 < aadamson> hey while on topic... anyone know what an si3085dv is? 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Do you see it on a PCB? There are 3085 mosfets: https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdiodes.com%2Fdatasheets%2FDMP3085LSS.pdf&ei=h_QFVO_zK8HnOvu7gMAG&usg=AFQjCNHJA04zToeSER9XcpKyPRwvFZXXCw&sig2=ulOdNPWaEgu50VVJx9rEVA 2014-09-02T19:47:53 < rewolff1> (but with differnet prefix and postfix, which could simply mean different vendor). 2014-09-02T19:48:54 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T19:53:07 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T20:00:26 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T20:00:30 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@irc.tkoskine.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-02T20:01:31 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-02T20:04:06 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T20:05:52 -!- monique [~monique@unaffiliated/monique] has quit [Quit: monique] 2014-09-02T20:08:07 -!- edmont [~edmont@quagmire.cedint.upm.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-02T20:08:38 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-02T20:08:42 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T20:09:18 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-02T20:09:58 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T20:11:52 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-02T20:12:15 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T20:13:29 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@irc.tkoskine.me] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T20:18:26 < aadamson> rewolff, I'm pretty sure its nothing more than a usb esd device... it's u4 in this schematic - http://www.mobilinkd.com/download/6/ 2014-09-02T20:22:32 < GargantuaSauce> woah that is not an awesome schematic 2014-09-02T20:22:45 < GargantuaSauce> >made with fritzing.org 2014-09-02T20:22:49 < GargantuaSauce> found the problem 2014-09-02T20:23:36 < Laurenceb> fritzled 2014-09-02T20:24:03 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-02T20:24:32 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it's probably just one of those usb clamps 2014-09-02T20:25:42 < GargantuaSauce> i need to stop looking at this because it's amking me angry 2014-09-02T20:25:46 < GargantuaSauce> vcc and vin are backwards 2014-09-02T20:29:40 < GargantuaSauce> i dont understand why they consider that suitable for public consumption 2014-09-02T20:31:45 < aadamson> yeah me either, but I was just curious of the device... but pretty sure it's just a usb esd device. 2014-09-02T20:31:58 < aadamson> I have one of the widgets, it's actually quite useful :) 2014-09-02T20:33:11 < GargantuaSauce> it looks like an interesting product, the implementation seems pretty silly though 2014-09-02T20:33:22 < GargantuaSauce> doesnt the mcu have a low power sleep state you could use instead of a discrete power switch? 2014-09-02T20:36:31 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T20:38:50 < aadamson> probably, but he uses the power button for bind too on the BT module 2014-09-02T20:57:43 -!- MrMobius_alt [~MrMobiusa@ip-64-134-174-101.public.wayport.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T20:58:41 < MrMobius_alt> is there a place I can find a minimal setup for the stm chip im using? 2014-09-02T20:59:11 < MrMobius_alt> i know datasheets have schematics of dev boards but id like to leave a lot of the caps and stuff off i wont be using since i dont need analog 2014-09-02T21:01:16 < GargantuaSauce> which one 2014-09-02T21:02:05 < GargantuaSauce> also decoupling is important for more than just keeping the vref stable! 2014-09-02T21:02:06 < MrMobius_alt> looking at using F429 since its on my dev board but will probably go with whatever can do 168mhz with 40gpio and larger pitch smd 2014-09-02T21:03:15 < GargantuaSauce> if you plan on running it at full speed i would say don't skimp on decoupling at al 2014-09-02T21:03:18 < MrMobius_alt> right. decoupling is fine. i was just hoping to eliminate anything else 2014-09-02T21:03:31 < GargantuaSauce> leave out the pi filter for Vcca and that's about it i think 2014-09-02T21:03:53 < MrMobius_alt> ok 2014-09-02T21:04:25 < MrMobius_alt> i seem to remember a lot of smd resistors on there too in addition to caps. 2014-09-02T21:04:37 < MrMobius_alt> but i dont have the board in front of me 2014-09-02T21:05:06 < ossifrage> Is the only safe way to use wfi (when expecting only 1 interrupt), to disable the interrupt you are waiting, wfi and then re-enable it interrupt to allow it to occur? 2014-09-02T21:06:22 < GargantuaSauce> there's pullups or pulldowns for a couple pins but i imagine there's series resistors for all the dram lines or something (haven't actually looked at the 429disco) 2014-09-02T21:08:22 < MrMobius_alt> hmmm, ok. ill have a look at the datasheet but in general decoupling on all Vcc lines and a resistor on RST are the main things? 2014-09-02T21:10:01 < GargantuaSauce> yeah, possibly weak pulldowns on boot0/boot1 depending on what you're doing also i guess 2014-09-02T21:10:33 < GargantuaSauce> god damn 144 pins is a lot 2014-09-02T21:11:44 < MrMobius_alt> kind of scary 2014-09-02T21:14:23 < GargantuaSauce> and yeah you could probably get away with removing a few caps from the reference design but only if you repeat the following mantra: 2014-09-02T21:14:38 < GargantuaSauce> every wire is a resistor, every wire is an inductor, every wire is an antenna 2014-09-02T21:15:00 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T21:17:03 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [] 2014-09-02T21:18:15 < MrMobius_alt> GargantuaSauce: decoupling caps? 2014-09-02T21:18:52 < GargantuaSauce> yeah there's a shitton now that i look at the schematic 2014-09-02T21:21:11 < MrMobius_alt> thats no biggy. I can put a lot of decoupling. its just the other stuff i wanted to avoid. 2014-09-02T21:22:55 < GargantuaSauce> oh yeah certainly the vast majority of the board space on the discos is just supporting the peripherals and stlink 2014-09-02T21:23:44 < GargantuaSauce> and you probably just want the 40x instead of 429 if you don't want a dram controller etc 2014-09-02T21:26:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.96] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T21:50:16 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-02T22:02:00 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:e9a1:3fbe:7d21:f0e2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T22:08:46 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T22:11:08 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2014-09-02T22:11:41 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T22:12:21 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:e9a1:3fbe:7d21:f0e2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-02T22:12:28 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T22:14:36 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-02T22:19:18 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:21f3:bdd:130c:1a33] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T22:23:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-02T22:25:50 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T22:37:48 -!- efuentes_ [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:7a:24cb:fa7b:9f22] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T22:39:09 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:21f3:bdd:130c:1a33] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-02T22:56:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-02T22:59:38 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-8.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T23:17:48 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-02T23:17:55 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T23:19:22 -!- monique [~monique@unaffiliated/monique] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T23:19:30 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-02T23:20:40 < GargantuaSauce> yay got f103 hello world working 2014-09-02T23:20:49 < GargantuaSauce> funny how fast these things go when i actually stop procrastinating 2014-09-02T23:21:08 < GargantuaSauce> now i just need to wait for my damn boards to arive 2014-09-02T23:23:51 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-02T23:24:34 -!- MrMobius_alt [~MrMobiusa@ip-64-134-174-101.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-02T23:31:58 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKUE9aZDhRTDF0V3c&usp=sharing 2014-09-02T23:32:34 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-02T23:32:51 < GargantuaSauce> cool 2014-09-02T23:32:59 < GargantuaSauce> you were going to use that for a lidar or something right? 2014-09-02T23:33:10 < kakeman> something pro stuff 2014-09-02T23:34:15 < kakeman> someday 2014-09-02T23:40:32 < kakeman> you can see I need to upgrade my scope first 2014-09-02T23:43:07 < GargantuaSauce> ha i was just complaining in another channel about my 1052 showing +62.5% -62.5% duty cycle on a square wave 2014-09-02T23:43:30 < GargantuaSauce> mathemagical. 2014-09-02T23:52:49 < Laurenceb__> lolz 2014-09-02T23:52:52 < Laurenceb__> http://adweek.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c51c053ef0133f277e955970b-pi 2014-09-02T23:53:04 < Laurenceb__> in association with lemonparty no doubt 2014-09-02T23:53:49 < Laurenceb__> http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbaetgjuZ41qzaxefo1_500.jpg --- Day changed Wed Sep 03 2014 2014-09-03T00:05:08 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acaf8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T00:07:55 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T00:13:01 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T00:14:38 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-222-123.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-03T00:15:29 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T00:17:11 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-234-84.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T00:19:15 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-03T00:20:11 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T00:25:33 < Tectu_> "australian sex party"? 2014-09-03T00:28:14 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-03T00:29:25 -!- arturo182 [arturo182@31-211-234-181.customers.ownit.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T00:29:50 < Laurenceb__> Baird level politics 2014-09-03T00:31:49 -!- arturo182 [arturo182@31-211-234-181.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-03T00:32:01 -!- arturo182 [arturo182@31-211-234-181.customers.ownit.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T00:33:21 < Tectu_> andrew just told me that australians have vote mandatory stuff 2014-09-03T00:33:29 < Tectu_> mandatory voting* 2014-09-03T00:33:43 -!- arturo182 [arturo182@31-211-234-181.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-03T00:34:05 -!- arturo182 [arturo182@31-211-234-181.customers.ownit.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T00:35:05 < Laurenceb__> wtf 2014-09-03T00:35:08 < Laurenceb__> sucks 2014-09-03T00:35:22 < Laurenceb__> presumably they have a Ron option 2014-09-03T00:40:43 < Tectu_> µGFX leaked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tyyxIWUapo 2014-09-03T00:41:37 < baird> Laurenceb__: Clive Palmer==Ron. Unfortunately though, the electtol system came be gamed by 'microparties'. We've now got a "Shoot people from your 4WD Party" Senator how got like 0.004% of the vote. 2014-09-03T00:42:59 < _Sync_> cool 2014-09-03T00:44:20 < Laurenceb__> Tectu: now all the buttons can be misaligned 2014-09-03T00:44:21 < Laurenceb__> woot 2014-09-03T00:44:34 < Laurenceb__> oh wait it has alignment tools, nvm 2014-09-03T00:45:01 < Laurenceb__> very nice 2014-09-03T00:45:12 < Tectu_> :D 2014-09-03T00:45:17 < Tectu_> working on this since a week now 2014-09-03T00:45:21 < Tectu_> far from complete, obviously 2014-09-03T00:47:54 < Tectu_> Laurenceb__, did you watch it to the end? did you see the live preview? 2014-09-03T00:55:20 < Laurenceb__> yeah 2014-09-03T00:55:24 < Laurenceb__> has a redraw issue 2014-09-03T00:55:28 < Laurenceb__> but looks good 2014-09-03T00:55:43 < Tectu_> only the window itself 2014-09-03T00:55:44 < Tectu_> :D 2014-09-03T00:56:57 -!- synico is now known as synic 2014-09-03T01:14:45 -!- efuentes_ [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:7a:24cb:fa7b:9f22] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-03T01:16:39 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-03T01:16:41 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T01:18:32 -!- arturo182 [arturo182@31-211-234-181.customers.ownit.se] has quit [] 2014-09-03T01:21:28 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T01:23:38 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-03T01:28:34 * Abhishek_ missed the leaked uGFX 2014-09-03T01:29:42 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-03T01:32:12 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T01:40:30 < Tectu_> Abhishek_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3PK1JSudJ8 2014-09-03T01:45:36 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-03T01:46:08 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T01:50:16 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-03T01:50:18 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T01:53:20 < Tectu_> Abhishek_, comments? 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2014-09-03T02:31:01 < hesperaux> it makes sense if you don't think about it 2014-09-03T02:31:07 < hesperaux> it's because i'm tired that I say words 2014-09-03T02:31:58 < kakeman> ye 2014-09-03T02:35:35 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-03T02:36:54 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-8.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-03T02:42:06 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-03T02:46:39 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acaf8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-03T02:54:52 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-03T02:55:47 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-03T03:31:07 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:7897:fb77:466a:4649] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T03:48:21 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:7897:fb77:466a:4649] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-03T03:49:54 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-191-23.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T03:55:06 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:44f3:656b:ebb9:d0d0] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T03:57:13 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T04:00:22 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T04:07:14 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-03T04:08:44 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T04:11:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-03T04:15:14 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T04:31:00 < baird> My new Beaglebone Black has arrived.. #kermitarms 2014-09-03T04:32:22 < ds2> turned it on yet? 2014-09-03T04:37:15 < baird> Trying to find where its UART0 pins are atm. 2014-09-03T04:39:12 < ds2> it is 6 pins next to one of the 2 gigantic female headers 2014-09-03T04:39:21 < ds2> on the inside between them 2014-09-03T04:39:55 < baird> Yep. Got it booting the previous BBB's Gentoo microsd now. 2014-09-03T04:40:34 < ds2> don't use a very old image for that 2014-09-03T04:40:47 < ds2> older images don't quite setup the PMIC right and can run things at the wrong voltage 2014-09-03T04:40:55 < ds2> oh BBB...nevermidn 2014-09-03T04:41:00 < ds2> thought you said previous BB 2014-09-03T04:41:25 < baird> BBBBBB 2014-09-03T04:48:58 < baird> Hmm, the new BBB boots from microsd without having to be button'd into doing so. Yay. 2014-09-03T04:52:46 -!- tonyarkles_ [~aja042@71-17-191-23.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T04:53:31 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-191-23.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-03T04:53:32 -!- tonyarkles_ is now known as tonyarkles 2014-09-03T05:00:09 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fpraxoyroxhdqyad] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-03T05:20:41 -!- jadew [~jadew@79.115.58.67] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T05:21:20 < jadew> hey, any ideas on how to unwind exceptions with GDB? 2014-09-03T05:26:01 -!- SpaceCoaster_ [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-03T05:37:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-03T05:37:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-03T05:38:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T05:38:44 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T05:53:16 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-191-23.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-03T05:53:50 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-191-23.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T06:03:57 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:44f3:656b:ebb9:d0d0] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-03T06:05:49 -!- SpaceCoaster_ [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T06:10:47 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-03T06:12:07 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T06:28:38 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-191-23.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-03T06:32:35 < dongs> http://www.geekbuying.com/item/PiPO-P8-RK3288-Quad-Core-1-8GHz-7-9-inch-Tablet-PC-Android-4-2-Retina-2048-1536-Touch-Screen-2GB-16GB-2-4G-5G-WiFi-326851.html haha them clones wiht apple screen 2014-09-03T06:40:22 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-03T06:51:35 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T07:10:33 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-03T07:51:54 < emeb> ds2: ping 2014-09-03T07:53:05 < emeb> haha rockchip - it rawks 2014-09-03T08:05:09 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-03T08:05:12 < dongs> between rockchip and a hard place 2014-09-03T08:12:24 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-03T08:21:52 < ds2> emeb: pong 2014-09-03T08:23:26 < emeb_mac> ds2: got the ads-b boards back - building up 1st article now 2014-09-03T08:25:23 < ds2> nice 2014-09-03T08:25:25 < ds2> that's fast 2014-09-03T08:25:48 < emeb_mac> got the RF section built up: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/2014-09-02%2021.35.51.jpg 2014-09-03T08:26:19 < emeb_mac> fun part was reflowing the QFN logamp 2014-09-03T08:26:34 < akaWolf1> emeb_mac: is it a cape for BBB? 2014-09-03T08:26:36 < ds2> oven? 2014-09-03T08:27:27 < emeb_mac> akaWolf1: yes 2014-09-03T08:27:33 < emeb_mac> ds2: nope - hot air gun 2014-09-03T08:27:45 < ds2> OOhh 2014-09-03T08:27:51 < ds2> wire solder? 2014-09-03T08:28:13 < emeb_mac> nope - stencil + paste for that part - all the rest is hand soldered 2014-09-03T08:28:35 < ds2> osh stencil? 2014-09-03T08:28:58 < akaWolf1> emeb_mac: only one version of kernel support capes, right? 2014-09-03T08:29:20 < emeb_mac> ds2: yes - oshstencil 2014-09-03T08:29:21 < ds2> akaWolf1: defines "supports cape"? 2014-09-03T08:29:50 < emeb_mac> akaWolf1: any version of kernel will support a cape if you have the right drivers 2014-09-03T08:29:51 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-03T08:30:26 < emeb_mac> I'm using a fairly old kernel with DT transactions + capemgr support 2014-09-03T08:30:37 < akaWolf1> emeb_mac: ok, I talk about capemgr 2014-09-03T08:30:54 < emeb_mac> so capemgr reads the EEPROM and loads the spi driver my FPGA needs 2014-09-03T08:30:57 < akaWolf1> ds2: I mean, have a capemgr support 2014-09-03T08:31:02 < ds2> non DT kernels are better 2014-09-03T08:31:24 < ds2> akaWolf1: that's a softwarism... I think there have been a few that supports capemgr 3.8 and something before it, IIRC 2014-09-03T08:32:03 < akaWolf1> ds2: capemgr works together with DT.. DT can't load drivers for software dinamically, when capemgr add that support 2014-09-03T08:32:16 < akaWolf1> for HW* 2014-09-03T08:32:43 < ds2> yes and DT has been in there for a while 2014-09-03T08:33:25 < akaWolf1> so if you have one set of HW, there are no need to use a capemgr 2014-09-03T08:34:11 < ds2> there aren't really any truely legit reasons for capemgr other then sheer laziness 2014-09-03T08:35:11 < akaWolf1> reason one: simplicity and automatics 2014-09-03T08:35:12 < emeb_mac> it makes a fair amount of sense for reconfigurable hardware 2014-09-03T08:35:41 < ds2> like I said...sheer laziness 2014-09-03T08:35:45 < emeb_mac> if you want to load / unload drivers as FPGA contents change. 2014-09-03T08:36:16 < ds2> that functionality can be done w/o capemgr 2014-09-03T08:36:23 < akaWolf1> yep, it's so.. 2014-09-03T08:36:31 < akaWolf1> with daemons 2014-09-03T08:36:37 < ds2> not even 2014-09-03T08:36:46 < akaWolf1> maybe 2014-09-03T08:36:51 < ds2> USB does it. a lot of "3G" or "Modem" sticks does exactly that 2014-09-03T08:37:00 < ds2> plug in... it appears as a CD device using the sr device driver 2014-09-03T08:37:05 < ds2> do a few ioctls and it turns into a serial port 2014-09-03T08:37:17 < akaWolf1> ok 2014-09-03T08:38:45 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T08:39:41 < ds2> DT and capemgr is all about laziness and tireness from arguing with mr torvalds 2014-09-03T08:39:47 < ds2> neither is needed nor useful 2014-09-03T08:44:07 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T09:04:47 -!- rewolff [~wolff@95-36-47-159.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-03T09:08:36 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-03T09:12:41 < PaulFertser> ds2: DT is useful in describing platform devices, you can't discover anything on the platform "bus" (same is true for spi and i2c), so here DT descriptions come into play instead of repeating boilerplate code again and again in "machine" files. 2014-09-03T09:15:45 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-03T09:16:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T09:18:21 < akaWolf1> there are so much ARM platforms, so Linus talked, that nomore modifying of kernel source code, now all description of platform should be in the DTB... 2014-09-03T09:19:10 -!- rewolff [~wolff@95-36-47-159.dsl.alice.nl] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T09:20:21 < PaulFertser> akaWolf1: not only ARM but also PowerPC, MIPS and numerous other board.s 2014-09-03T09:22:31 < akaWolf1> yeah, DT was before ARM, but we are talking about ARM... 2014-09-03T09:23:05 < PaulFertser> I can't really see how DT is the wrong thing here and what is the alternative. 2014-09-03T09:23:19 < akaWolf1> yep, I think so too 2014-09-03T09:26:39 < ds2> DT adds overhead 2014-09-03T09:27:05 < ds2> DT may be fine for huge ass systems 2014-09-03T09:27:16 < ds2> but think of something the size of a STM32F1... 2014-09-03T09:30:36 < dongs> logamp? more like blogamp 2014-09-03T09:31:53 < jpa-> ds2: you can always do the old thing as a platform-specific patch 2014-09-03T09:32:13 < jpa-> not like any of your STM32F1 + FSMC PSRAM systems could go into mainline anyway 2014-09-03T09:32:24 < jpa-> too rare and obscure 2014-09-03T09:32:42 < jpa-> (who runs uclinux on stm32f1 anyway? what is the point really?) 2014-09-03T09:33:08 < dongs> ds2 does. 2014-09-03T09:33:47 < jpa-> why would he do that? 2014-09-03T09:34:47 < dongs> masochism 2014-09-03T09:35:22 < jpa-> ah, well that is fine 2014-09-03T09:35:27 < jpa-> as long as no freetard 2014-09-03T09:39:50 < emeb_mac> haha - blogamp 2014-09-03T09:53:05 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T09:57:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-03T10:02:38 -!- Vutral 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connected where. 2014-09-03T10:32:19 < dongs> more lunix obfuscation 2014-09-03T10:32:27 < rewolff> So at least I couldn't find a way to dynamically get a module to load that used the DT stuff. 2014-09-03T10:34:28 < PaulFertser> I think it's quite the opposite, you can load unload modules whenever you feel like, and they'll use DT info, just the same as they're using platform data before DT was introduced. 2014-09-03T10:35:44 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T10:37:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-03T10:49:18 < ds2> DT requires a bootloader support 2014-09-03T10:49:43 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-235.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T10:50:22 < ds2> it makes it harder to do something like a simple run in place (direct mapped) image 2014-09-03T10:53:39 < PaulFertser> You can embed precompiled DT in kernel, OpenWrt does that for the majority of the supported devices. 2014-09-03T11:08:27 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T11:12:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T11:15:37 < ds2> embed also makes things bigger 2014-09-03T11:15:55 < ds2> take the largest STM32F103... 1M onboard flash in 2 banks 2014-09-03T11:16:36 < jpa-> do you have numbers on how much bigger? 2014-09-03T11:17:57 < ds2> not off hand, no 2014-09-03T11:20:18 < akaWolf1> and more: why should anyone use a Linux at such chips as STM32F103?... 2014-09-03T11:24:03 < dongs> < akaWolf1> and more: why should anyone use a Linux 2014-09-03T11:24:03 < dongs> ftfy 2014-09-03T11:24:12 < akaWolf1> :) 2014-09-03T11:25:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T11:25:31 < akaWolf1> dongs: because. 2014-09-03T11:26:43 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-03T11:36:26 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 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2014-09-03T13:58:42 < BrainDamage> so there IS a linear power supply 2014-09-03T13:59:00 < Tectu_> schematics: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-09032014-125849pm.php 2014-09-03T13:59:14 < BrainDamage> ... like I said :p 2014-09-03T13:59:15 < jpa-> Tectu_: isn't that a bit too tight connector for 230VAC? 2014-09-03T13:59:29 < Tectu_> BrainDamage, I wouldn't call that group "linear power supply". Wouldn't that include a regulator? 2014-09-03T13:59:39 < Tectu_> jpa-, yep, just changed them to 5.08mm, but thanks for the hint! 2014-09-03T13:59:40 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@n014h145.wst.mun.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-03T13:59:45 < BrainDamage> I would call that a linear regulated power supply 2014-09-03T14:00:01 < jpa-> Tectu_: also, i would lay it out so that there is more clear separation between high and low voltage sides 2014-09-03T14:00:02 < Tectu_> BrainDamage, fair enough :D 2014-09-03T14:00:23 < Tectu_> jpa-, I will do that eventually. Just placed to components to see what the average board size will be 2014-09-03T14:00:34 < BrainDamage> yeah, and a ground pour to help define the areas 2014-09-03T14:00:49 < jpa-> you could probably do the same with a triac, capacitor and resistor, though.. without any of this low voltage nonsense 2014-09-03T14:01:05 < jpa-> not that i remember how 2014-09-03T14:01:47 < Tectu_> jpa-, that is possible but triac is not galvanic isolated (what ever the term is in english) like a relay 2014-09-03T14:01:50 < BrainDamage> you put a voltage divider on the gate of the triac, so you're comparing the current point of the mains wave with the triac firing voltage 2014-09-03T14:02:02 < Tectu_> although one might just connect a relay to the triac 2014-09-03T14:02:09 < jpa-> Tectu_: true 2014-09-03T14:02:30 < jpa-> Tectu_: also won't the Q1 load the capacitor so that 50k is way too high for R2? 2014-09-03T14:03:02 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-03T14:03:08 < Tectu_> jpa-, how would Q1 load the capacitor? 2014-09-03T14:03:38 < jpa-> Tectu_: bipolar transistors take base current as soon as voltage is over 0.7V.. even if it is not yet high enough to cause the relay to pull 2014-09-03T14:03:39 -!- fubs [~fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-03T14:03:42 < Tectu_> jpa-, 50k + 1mF gives you around 1 to 300 seconds 2014-09-03T14:04:16 < Tectu_> jpa-, ah sorry... in my language the word "load" is used to say "charge" so I completely misunderstood your sentence 2014-09-03T14:04:23 < Tectu_> jpa-, I thought you mean that Q1 charges the cap 2014-09-03T14:04:23 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T14:04:46 < jpa-> assuming 50mA pull current for the relay, you need atleast 0.2mA for the transistor base - at full 50kohm 0.25 mA.. hmm yeah, might work after all 2014-09-03T14:05:17 < jpa-> but the max time will be much longer than 300 seconds 2014-09-03T14:05:26 < Tectu_> jpa-, relay pull current is 33mA and my calculations suggest that it works 2014-09-03T14:05:43 < jpa-> hmm ok 2014-09-03T14:05:57 < jpa-> difficult to say without R4 value, but good if you have calculated it 2014-09-03T14:06:01 < Tectu_> jpa-, this is not rocket scienece, I'll just end up populating a different potentiometer there as I don't even know if I have a 50k around. That's why I left a space for R1 2014-09-03T14:06:29 < Tectu_> jpa-, although I wonder if R1 should go between R2 and cap instead 2014-09-03T14:06:42 < jpa-> is your bridge symbol wrong way around? 2014-09-03T14:07:02 < jpa-> Tectu_: nah, r1 is fine as it is 2014-09-03T14:07:12 < Tectu_> it is and it was fixed long time ago 2014-09-03T14:07:51 < jpa-> why do you show us outdated schematics, takes the fun out of Tectu-bashing 2014-09-03T14:07:54 < Tectu_> jpa-, I appreciate your "high degree of paying attention to the post" 2014-09-03T14:08:10 < Tectu_> damn what, is the english term... there is one word describing that :D 2014-09-03T14:08:16 < Tectu_> "taking a ... look" 2014-09-03T14:08:40 < Tectu_> jpa-, exactly because of that. If I show you the fixed ones there is no fun at all because no way to bash anymore x'D 2014-09-03T14:08:58 < Claude> i would limit the current trough the pot , 12V/1000uF don't know if the pot is really up to that current (when the pot is set to e.g. 100ohm 120mA are going trough it) 2014-09-03T14:09:04 < jpa-> oh, there will always be stuff to complain about 2014-09-03T14:09:32 < jpa-> Claude: only for a brief moment, and i assume that is what R1 might do if needed 2014-09-03T14:09:36 < Tectu_> jpa-, agreed 2014-09-03T14:09:47 < BrainDamage> it might not be that brief is RC is that long 2014-09-03T14:09:48 < Claude> jep 2014-09-03T14:09:48 < Tectu_> Claude, that is what R1 is for. Just not calculated proper value so far 2014-09-03T14:09:50 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T14:10:02 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-235.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-03T14:10:02 < BrainDamage> he'll end up consuming on the W range on average for many seconds 2014-09-03T14:10:07 < BrainDamage> sufficient to melt the pot 2014-09-03T14:10:35 < jpa-> a little smoke just brightens the mood 2014-09-03T14:10:37 < BrainDamage> sorry, s/many/a/ 2014-09-03T14:10:49 < jpa-> what can you do if you are too cheap for 555? 2014-09-03T14:11:03 < jpa-> (also, around here they sell timer switches in stores) 2014-09-03T14:11:05 < Claude> yeah 555 is what i would suggest too 2014-09-03T14:11:17 < BrainDamage> not a stm32? :p 2014-09-03T14:11:34 < Tectu_> better use F439 2014-09-03T14:11:55 < Claude> yes a fpu for precise timing! 2014-09-03T14:12:02 < BrainDamage> then you attach a led to the relay 2014-09-03T14:12:06 < jpa-> i suggest fpga for better timing accuracy, if you are too cheap for multi-core ASIC with GPU accelerator 2014-09-03T14:12:06 < BrainDamage> and make your blinker 2014-09-03T14:12:22 -!- alexn__ [~alexn@2001:a60:12be:8b01:9848:602e:8ad:ce26] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T14:12:25 < Tectu_> jpa-, because stuff stuff lays around. No idea when I last had a 555 in my drawers 2014-09-03T14:12:32 < Tectu_> (yes, shame on me) 2014-09-03T14:12:50 < Claude> arduino? 2014-09-03T14:13:02 < Tectu_> LOL 2014-09-03T14:13:22 < Steffanx> stuff doesnt lay around where mr Tectu_ lives. 2014-09-03T14:13:44 < jpa-> sure it does, just not usefull stuff 2014-09-03T14:13:54 < Steffanx> no everything is ordered in boxes there 2014-09-03T14:14:15 < jpa-> or maybe all the girls crawling over him crushed the stuffs 2014-09-03T14:14:22 < Tectu_> jpa-, you might want to reconsider: http://i.imgur.com/tCxr8I6.jpg 2014-09-03T14:14:22 -!- alexn_ [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-03T14:14:23 < Steffanx> or you. 2014-09-03T14:14:39 < Tectu_> and yes, I completed the labeling process till now 2014-09-03T14:15:25 < jpa-> that photo tells us nothing about the state of your floor 2014-09-03T14:15:57 < Tectu_> lol 2014-09-03T14:16:04 -!- fubs [~fbs@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::e5:d001] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T14:16:12 < Tectu_> but my last name does 2014-09-03T14:16:34 < Claude> way too clean imho :) 2014-09-03T14:16:42 < jpa-> i can't even remember your first name 2014-09-03T14:16:49 < jpa-> i only remember Steffan Naffets 2014-09-03T14:17:32 < Steffanx> Best fake last name ever uh? 2014-09-03T14:17:32 < Tectu_> Petteri Aimonen 2014-09-03T14:17:38 < Tectu_> always get that half wrong, afaik 2014-09-03T14:19:23 < Tectu_> oh, I actually got it right now :) 2014-09-03T14:19:27 < Tectu_> thanks internet 2014-09-03T14:19:50 < jpa-> there is also /whois 2014-09-03T14:19:52 < Claude> my desk after a long weekend : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_5UXaEUPGdZcXZPQXNvRTJDYnc/edit?usp=sharing 2014-09-03T14:20:00 < Tectu_> jpa-, btw. what were your reasons to go for that ebay CNC instead of the openshoko 2 thing (I know, there might be many reasons, just want to know yours) 2014-09-03T14:20:24 < BrainDamage> it has open in it's name, so it's very unlikely to work 2014-09-03T14:20:25 < jpa-> Tectu_: IMO it seemed much better quality for the same price 2014-09-03T14:20:36 < Tectu_> my desk on an average work day: http://i.imgur.com/tduvIOF.jpg 2014-09-03T14:20:45 * Tectu_ always keeps his desk clean 2014-09-03T14:20:50 < Tectu_> jpa-, agreed 2014-09-03T14:20:54 < BrainDamage> ^ doesn't get work done 2014-09-03T14:20:59 < Claude> ack 2014-09-03T14:21:02 < Claude> ;) 2014-09-03T14:22:00 < Tectu_> I hear that all the time - don't really care anymore 2014-09-03T14:22:08 < Steffanx> only a bit. 2014-09-03T14:22:15 < jpa-> it hurts him inside 2014-09-03T14:22:19 < Tectu_> just because one puts the stuff he does not need anymore back into the box does not mean that he does not get the rest of the work done 2014-09-03T14:22:41 < Steffanx> You're feeding trolls Tectu_ 2014-09-03T14:22:42 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T14:23:17 < jpa-> trolls need to eat also 2014-09-03T14:23:42 < Tectu_> Claude, how happy are you with your JBC? 2014-09-03T14:24:15 < Claude> Tectu_, very happy :) my weller is collecting dust 2014-09-03T14:24:39 < Tectu_> Claude, back two years ago I couldn't decide if I want to go with the weller or the JBC... ended up with a weller 2014-09-03T14:24:47 < Tectu_> Claude, still very happy with it, tho. But JBC might be nice 2014-09-03T14:24:52 < Laurenceb> my desk 2014-09-03T14:24:52 < Tectu_> was just "too risky" for me at that moment 2014-09-03T14:25:16 < Laurenceb> https://mlpchan.net/anon/src/1404021083137.jpg 2014-09-03T14:25:25 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-03T14:25:35 < Tectu_> mlpchan... 2014-09-03T14:26:03 < Claude> Laurenceb, fapulous! 2014-09-03T14:27:46 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T14:27:52 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-03T14:36:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-03T14:51:17 < Tectu_> jpa-, what advantage would a 555 give here anyway? 2014-09-03T14:51:40 < Laurenceb> surely triac would work 2014-09-03T14:52:57 < Laurenceb> http://www.electroschematics.com/5770/time-delay-circuit/ 2014-09-03T14:53:05 < Laurenceb> horrible huge caps there 2014-09-03T14:59:53 < jpa-> Tectu_: less temperature dependence, for one - currently you are quite sensitive to the Hfe of the transistor 2014-09-03T14:59:57 < Laurenceb> but cheaper than relays and transformers 2014-09-03T15:00:44 < Tectu_> jpa-, agreed. At the end it won't really matter anyway. I'll limit the range from 0.1seconds to 5 seconds 2014-09-03T15:00:49 < Tectu_> jpa-, it's to disconnect the starting capacitor of a motor 2014-09-03T15:00:59 < Tectu_> jpa-, 2014-09-03T15:01:11 < Tectu_> jpa-, doesn't matter if it stays connected for 3 or 4 seconds 2014-09-03T15:01:14 < Tectu_> (in this case) 2014-09-03T15:03:10 -!- alexn__ [~alexn@2001:a60:12be:8b01:9848:602e:8ad:ce26] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-03T15:03:29 < jpa-> what? 2014-09-03T15:03:42 < jpa-> isn't that a problem that's been solved in many trivial ways... 2014-09-03T15:04:54 < Tectu_> jpa-, show me one. I don't know this field that well 2014-09-03T15:07:25 < jpa-> can't bothe 2014-09-03T15:07:35 < jpa-> i guess this is more of a "use what you have" situation 2014-09-03T15:08:55 < Tectu_> hence we are back to my solution : 2014-09-03T15:08:56 < Tectu_> :D 2014-09-03T15:10:18 < Tectu_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNrwu-4vn6s 2014-09-03T15:10:40 < Claude> Tectu_, does your motor have two windings? 2014-09-03T15:11:49 < Laurenceb> as stupid as 2014-09-03T15:11:51 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNId0YbzNqw 2014-09-03T15:11:52 < Tectu_> Claude, no, it is a three phase motor that is disconnected to 240VAC (1-Phase). it has a 10uF running capacitor and the dude currently manually presses a button to put a 50uF in parallel and releases the button after a few seconds. This is to automate the process 2014-09-03T15:12:16 < Claude> ah okay :) 2014-09-03T15:12:25 < Tectu_> Laurenceb, at least he hooked up a fuse :D 2014-09-03T15:22:10 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnbwaxgrtefpzngp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T15:25:58 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-03T15:30:31 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-234-84.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: ] 2014-09-03T15:33:31 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T15:34:15 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@gateway/tor-sasl/braindamage] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-03T15:34:31 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-234-84.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T15:46:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T15:57:44 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acaf8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 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Laurenceb> dat ublox 2014-09-03T16:42:33 < Laurenceb> soon you will have this level of pro 2014-09-03T16:42:35 < Laurenceb> http://static.projects.hackaday.com/images/9663311397189064039.png 2014-09-03T16:43:55 < dongs> wao 2014-09-03T16:43:57 < dongs> much amaze 2014-09-03T16:44:02 < dongs> i hope the rocket lifting these crashes 2014-09-03T16:44:04 < dongs> into elun musk 2014-09-03T16:44:13 < dongs> nerds worldwide will be sad 2014-09-03T16:44:17 < dongs> that their shitty arduino shields 2014-09-03T16:44:19 < dongs> didnt make it into space 2014-09-03T16:44:27 < dongs> to become dangerous space debris/junk 2014-09-03T16:47:15 < Steffanx> warning dongs, soon mr j p a will say you should place more words on one line. 2014-09-03T16:47:20 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@219.226.28.37.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T16:47:44 < dongs> eh, that was kinda a monoblogue. i'll keep that in mind 2014-09-03T16:47:48 < Steffanx> :P 2014-09-03T16:49:53 < GargantuaSauce> holy shit why have i never heard the term monoblogue before 2014-09-03T16:50:10 < GargantuaSauce> 10/10 will be using 2014-09-03T16:51:01 < Laurenceb> lol 2014-09-03T16:52:09 < Steffanx> hmm, i thought dongs made it up, but it's actually a word in the urbandictionary since 2008 2014-09-03T16:54:15 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@219.226.28.37.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-03T16:57:04 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@62.169.86.132.rev.optimus.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T17:11:08 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-03T17:12:52 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@62.169.86.132.rev.optimus.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-03T17:12:54 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T17:13:35 < hesperaux> lol 2014-09-03T17:13:44 < hesperaux> you guys are too cool for school 2014-09-03T17:13:59 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@219.226.28.37.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T17:14:09 < Steffanx> lol wut hesperaux? 2014-09-03T17:14:17 < kakeman> definitely 2014-09-03T17:14:18 < hesperaux> i have no idea 2014-09-03T17:14:20 < hesperaux> buy hi 2014-09-03T17:14:26 < Steffanx> Hi. 2014-09-03T17:14:28 < hesperaux> s/y/t/g 2014-09-03T17:14:51 < kakeman> school sucks 2014-09-03T17:15:03 < hesperaux> tha'ts why i finished it :D 2014-09-03T17:15:22 < hesperaux> btw what is that cube thingy 2014-09-03T17:15:26 < hesperaux> i see a cam 2014-09-03T17:15:32 < hesperaux> and what looks like a chip antenna 2014-09-03T17:16:26 < GargantuaSauce> it looks like a monstrosity 2014-09-03T17:16:43 < Steffanx> http://hackaday.io/project/270-CUBEX 2014-09-03T17:17:00 < GargantuaSauce> oh ok it's a balloon payload and not actually a cubesat 2014-09-03T17:17:05 < GargantuaSauce> that makes it slightly less retarded 2014-09-03T17:17:06 < Laurenceb> heh its arko 2014-09-03T17:17:31 < Laurenceb> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvOies7IUAEpMI1.jpg:large 2014-09-03T17:18:06 < Laurenceb> the sleepy alcoholic 2014-09-03T17:19:06 < hesperaux> this thing is cool 2014-09-03T17:19:12 < hesperaux> it's so cute 2014-09-03T17:19:21 < hesperaux> a little baby satellite for george clooney 2014-09-03T17:19:23 * Laurenceb is luckily behind the lens 2014-09-03T17:19:36 < dongs> haha that lipo 2014-09-03T17:19:39 < dongs> i have one of those 2014-09-03T17:19:42 < dongs> https://static.hackaday.io/images/7800941393829514312.jpg 2014-09-03T17:19:53 < hesperaux> why does everything ever have to be arduino 2014-09-03T17:20:00 * hesperaux rages quietly 2014-09-03T17:20:08 < kakeman> hesperaux: got good job after school? 2014-09-03T17:20:21 < hesperaux> kakeman, haven't tried that hard to get one yet - i'm still working in IT part time 2014-09-03T17:20:46 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@56-236.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T17:20:51 < hesperaux> i write softcodes and progware all day for unix admin/monitoring/CMS 2014-09-03T17:21:02 < hesperaux> actually in about 2 hours i'll be leaving for that 2014-09-03T17:21:14 < hesperaux> which reminds me that i need to get this crap done 2014-09-03T17:24:45 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@219.226.28.37.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-03T17:25:12 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@62.169.86.132.rev.optimus.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T17:28:58 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-03T17:30:08 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T17:30:57 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@n013h111.wst.mun.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T17:31:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-03T17:39:01 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@56-236.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-03T17:41:56 < hesperaux> anyone done stuff with STM32F3? 2014-09-03T17:42:00 < hesperaux> it's cortex m4 2014-09-03T17:42:14 < hesperaux> wondering how it differs for setting up an external interrupt's pinsource 2014-09-03T17:42:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-03T17:42:23 < hesperaux> (from stm32f0/1) 2014-09-03T17:42:45 < hesperaux> normally i'd use GPIO_EXTILineConfig(PortSource, PinSource) 2014-09-03T17:42:49 < hesperaux> but that's not in the lib for M4 2014-09-03T17:44:18 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-03T17:46:04 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T17:53:04 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-03T17:53:06 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T17:54:47 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-03T17:55:41 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwnfYgaIAAAx-dG.png 2014-09-03T23:07:49 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-8.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-03T23:08:14 < _Sync_> ha works now :) 2014-09-03T23:11:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-03T23:14:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-03T23:14:22 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-03T23:55:59 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Thu Sep 04 2014 2014-09-04T00:14:06 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T00:19:02 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-04T00:20:29 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T00:20:34 < varesa> I'm having trouble using DMA to feed a timer output compare 2014-09-04T00:20:56 < varesa> There is propably something wrong with the DMA initialization, but I can't figure out why 2014-09-04T00:21:06 < varesa> Anyone care to take a look? https://github.com/varesa/ledtest 2014-09-04T00:21:54 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-04T00:22:29 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-04T00:24:37 < varesa> I tried to take out most of the unrelated code 2014-09-04T00:25:30 < varesa> I expect the timer to start a DMA transfer and modify the OC value but it stays at what is set in the output compare initialization 2014-09-04T00:30:13 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acaf8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T00:42:51 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-04T00:51:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-04T00:52:01 -!- MrMobius 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Laurenceb__> what kind of position? 2014-09-04T01:46:18 < Laurenceb__> protip: do NOT search for "luke vibert" on youtube 2014-09-04T01:46:29 < Laurenceb__> i was hoping for some acid, got man ass 2014-09-04T01:47:03 < _Sync_> just trying to keep track of an angle relative to the ground 2014-09-04T01:47:19 < Laurenceb__> using inertial sensors? 2014-09-04T01:47:37 < _Sync_> yeah 2014-09-04T01:47:40 < _Sync_> but I just had an idea 2014-09-04T01:47:57 < _Sync_> and yeah there are lots of ready made solutions out there 2014-09-04T01:48:42 < GargantuaSauce> there are a whole bunch of rather different approaches 2014-09-04T01:49:16 < GargantuaSauce> well no, many variants of the same approach i guess 2014-09-04T01:51:31 -!- MrMobius_alt [~MrMobiusa@ip-64-134-174-101.public.wayport.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-04T01:52:33 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.scribd.com/doc/29754518/A-Efficient-Orientation-Filter-for-IMUs-and-MARG-Sensor-Arrays i think this is the one i chose to set aside for implementation when i get around to it 2014-09-04T01:55:05 < GargantuaSauce> but then again i think a much simpler 6dof sensor with complementary filter can work almost as well 2014-09-04T02:00:35 < Laurenceb__> hah the arduino thingy 2014-09-04T02:00:43 < Laurenceb__> it does work quite well 2014-09-04T02:01:14 < Laurenceb__> ohhhh 2014-09-04T02:01:21 < Laurenceb__> they have redone it with quaternions 2014-09-04T02:01:26 < Laurenceb__> a lot more pro now 2014-09-04T02:01:50 < _Sync_> yean been looking at it 2014-09-04T02:05:23 < Laurenceb__> ardupilot uses an older version of the same stuff 2014-09-04T02:06:05 < Laurenceb__> theres one big hole in their work 2014-09-04T02:06:54 < Laurenceb__> it might work slightly better than Kalman, but with the CoM moving around, the assumptions of no long term acceleration will no longer be valid 2014-09-04T02:07:34 < Laurenceb__> OpenPilot EKF code handles all this stuff 2014-09-04T02:11:26 -!- phantom 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fairly well 2014-09-04T02:39:24 < GargantuaSauce> just straight integration? 2014-09-04T02:39:55 < GargantuaSauce> it may work in the short term but the drift definitely accumulates over time 2014-09-04T02:39:59 < _Sync_> yeah, it sure has drift 2014-09-04T02:40:01 < GargantuaSauce> even with the sensor's HPF enabled 2014-09-04T02:40:14 < _Sync_> just a quick stab at it 2014-09-04T02:40:16 < _Sync_> ;) 2014-09-04T02:45:21 < dongs> hm 2014-09-04T02:45:27 < dongs> fairchildsemi changed their webpaeg 2014-09-04T02:45:30 < dongs> now its all web3.0 2014-09-04T02:45:33 < dongs> https://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/ND/NDS355AN.html 2014-09-04T02:45:48 < dongs> just missing twitter links 2014-09-04T02:45:51 < dongs> oh wait, they're below. 2014-09-04T02:45:53 < dongs> complet. 2014-09-04T02:46:54 < GargantuaSauce> ohhh yes mouseover ajax menus and everything 2014-09-04T02:46:56 < GargantuaSauce> impressive 2014-09-04T02:47:15 < GargantuaSauce> we'd like your feedback! 2014-09-04T02:47:34 < GargantuaSauce> Please leave this window open. 2014-09-04T02:47:34 < GargantuaSauce> This window is part of the customer satisfaction survey you agreed to take on this site. 2014-09-04T02:47:34 < GargantuaSauce> Click in your main browser window to continue browsing. 2014-09-04T02:47:34 < GargantuaSauce> After leaving the website, this window will present the survey. 2014-09-04T02:48:29 < GargantuaSauce> is....who...how did anyone think that was a good way to do it 2014-09-04T02:49:27 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@128.140.129.69] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T03:04:02 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWuP6dmYOE0 2014-09-04T03:04:25 < dongs> dat 30fps flir 2014-09-04T03:09:22 -!- Lt_Lemming_ [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T03:09:22 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-04T03:09:47 -!- Lt_Lemming_ is now known as Lt_Lemming 2014-09-04T03:10:00 < dongs> hm wait 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2014-09-04T07:27:04 < t1memob> CPU+mobo around 800-900, ram 400 2014-09-04T07:27:24 < t1memob> rest for VGA/case/ssd etc 2014-09-04T07:30:32 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T07:30:41 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-04T07:30:43 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T07:32:01 -!- tim3mob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T07:33:12 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-9.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-04T07:35:21 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-04T07:35:31 -!- fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T07:44:20 < Simon--> tim3mob: you still using yoga2 laptop? 2014-09-04T07:44:56 < tim3mob> yes 2014-09-04T07:45:07 < tim3mob> on trips etc it's gr8 2014-09-04T07:45:26 < Simon--> does rgbw look weird? 2014-09-04T07:45:38 < tim3mob> and now that I fixed Wi-Fi at house I can even do work at home 2014-09-04T07:45:48 < tim3mob> it's.... different but I don't care 2014-09-04T07:45:56 < tim3mob> code looks fine 2014-09-04T07:46:12 < Simon--> hmm k 2014-09-04T07:46:23 < tim3mob> if you care, look at store demo model and run f.lux 2014-09-04T07:47:09 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T07:47:17 < tim3mob> but resolution is more important to me than shades of yellow. 2014-09-04T07:47:46 < tim3mob> there's also that 15" Toshiba 4k laptop if your bag is big enough 2014-09-04T07:48:22 < tim3mob> that one is calibrated and 99% srgb 2014-09-04T07:52:42 < Simon--> sweet 2014-09-04T07:52:58 < Simon--> that sounds awesomer 2014-09-04T07:53:37 < Simon--> except it looks like somebody doesn't like arrow keys 2014-09-04T07:55:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-8-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-04T07:59:49 -!- 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2014-09-04T08:19:15 < timemob> you can buy whole rig from newwgg 2014-09-04T08:19:19 < timemob> oh I dunno 2014-09-04T08:19:29 < timemob> whatever cores it has 2014-09-04T08:20:29 < timemob> think so 2014-09-04T08:20:36 < timemob> x99 is chip set 2014-09-04T08:20:38 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T08:21:09 < timemob> no 2014-09-04T08:21:16 < timemob> there's K 2014-09-04T08:22:56 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T08:24:52 < timemob> ... yes chip set 2014-09-04T08:24:57 < timemob> no 2014-09-04T08:25:15 < timemob> my pal bought 32gb it was 400ish 2014-09-04T08:25:41 < timemob> fail 2014-09-04T08:25:50 < timemob> fail direct 2014-09-04T08:27:49 < timemob> it's a chip set you kike. every board maker will have them 2014-09-04T08:27:57 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nsgaxpensgikpyji] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T08:28:05 < timemob> and it just came out last week 2014-09-04T08:39:13 < effractur> no 3.5ghz 2014-09-04T08:39:26 < effractur> http://ark.intel.com/products/82930/Intel-Core-i7-5960X-Processor-Extreme-Edition-20M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz 2014-09-04T08:39:51 < effractur> the cheapone does 3.6 2014-09-04T08:39:59 < effractur> but only 28 pcie channels 2014-09-04T08:40:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-04T08:40:41 < effractur> is you connect it with displayport 2014-09-04T08:40:54 < varesa> timemob: thanks, dunno why I didn't see that... 2014-09-04T08:41:03 < effractur> but no daisy chain support 2014-09-04T08:41:22 < varesa> The 1 byte DMA was just a simplification for troubleshooting 2014-09-04T08:42:03 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T08:42:04 < effractur> just go with the 5820K 2014-09-04T08:42:09 < effractur> that one is ~400$ 2014-09-04T08:42:32 < effractur> 12 threads 2014-09-04T08:42:45 < effractur> true 2014-09-04T08:43:13 < effractur> R2COM: amd 6 cores is ~ the same as a 3 core with HT intel 2014-09-04T08:43:39 < effractur> is you want a lot of cores just grap a E5-2695 v2 2014-09-04T08:43:55 < effractur> 12 cores 24 threads 2014-09-04T08:44:01 < effractur> ;p 2014-09-04T08:44:05 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-04T08:44:06 < effractur> but only ivy 2014-09-04T08:44:14 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T08:44:22 < effractur> older arch 2014-09-04T08:44:56 < effractur> but y amd is cheating with there 6 cores 2014-09-04T08:45:35 < effractur> both cores are sharing a lot of parts inside the cpu 2014-09-04T08:45:53 < effractur> so you will lose a lot of performace 2014-09-04T08:46:13 < effractur> and if you grep a normal i7 you already 8 threads 2014-09-04T08:46:17 < effractur> more then a amd 6 core 2014-09-04T08:46:54 < effractur> but what do you need with 16 threads ;p 2014-09-04T08:47:14 < effractur> a 2014-09-04T08:47:18 < effractur> good enough 2014-09-04T08:48:13 < effractur> does it support opencl for speedup? 2014-09-04T08:48:37 < effractur> ifso just put a xeon phi with it 2014-09-04T08:49:45 < effractur> o wow 2014-09-04T08:53:31 < effractur> well for the non buisniss stuff 2014-09-04T08:53:47 < effractur> it is just for gamers 2014-09-04T08:54:01 < effractur> it will work 2014-09-04T08:54:14 < effractur> but it is missing some features, not that you will use it 2014-09-04T08:54:33 < effractur> intel TXT etc 2014-09-04T08:54:52 < effractur> i would wait for the new e%'s 2014-09-04T08:54:54 < effractur> E%* 2014-09-04T08:54:59 < effractur> E5 v3 2014-09-04T08:55:11 < effractur> if you can wait ;p 2014-09-04T08:55:25 < effractur> those have even more cores 2014-09-04T08:55:59 < effractur> the are not yet released 2014-09-04T08:56:32 < effractur> but if you need it now just grap the high end i7 2014-09-04T08:56:40 < effractur> yes 2014-09-04T08:56:45 < effractur> ~2k-4k 2014-09-04T08:57:06 < effractur> yes 2014-09-04T08:57:26 < effractur> but then you need to wait half a year 2014-09-04T08:58:38 < timemob> lol 2014-09-04T08:58:46 < timemob> polishing the turd 2014-09-04T08:59:07 < effractur> R2COM: E5v3 is also l2011v3 2014-09-04T08:59:20 < timemob> (investing in AMD) 2014-09-04T08:59:26 < effractur> y 2014-09-04T08:59:38 * effractur afk 2014-09-04T09:00:56 < timemob> new bad ass GPUs are coming soon. 2014-09-04T09:01:31 < timemob> you can play waiting game forever 2014-09-04T09:01:47 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-04T09:01:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-04T09:01:47 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-6.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T09:01:49 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T09:02:11 -!- emeb_mac 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frankenmichl> hi - maybe someone has a hint for me. I've got an stm32f429 running uCLinux. And I got a ds2782 fuel gauge connected to it. however, sometimes it's working great, sometimes I don't get replies or timeouts 2014-09-04T12:06:29 < frankenmichl> can this be caused by using the internal pullups on SCL/SDA? 2014-09-04T12:06:42 < jpa-> uh.. you mean the STM32F4 internal pull-ups? 2014-09-04T12:06:50 < jpa-> they are way too weak for I2C at any reasonable speed 2014-09-04T12:07:34 < jpa-> maybe at 10kHz or less I2C freq they would work reliably, but i recommend 4.7 kohm external pull-ups 2014-09-04T12:07:48 < frankenmichl> okay.. I'm only running at 100KHz, but that was my assumption, too - I just wanted a second opinion prior to reworking my circuit 2014-09-04T12:08:39 < jpa-> 100kHz is already pretty high for I2C 2014-09-04T12:08:41 < frankenmichl> soldering two resistors should not take too long 2014-09-04T12:08:50 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-04T12:10:56 < frankenmichl> it's linux' default speed, and it's hardcoded in the drivers I got 2014-09-04T12:12:54 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T12:14:00 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T12:16:13 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-04T12:20:58 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T12:22:47 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-04T12:25:20 < jpa-> Tectu_: did you get bored about the license or why did you part #ugfx? 2014-09-04T12:25:20 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-04T12:25:35 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T12:28:12 < TheSeven> dongs: that's a USB/li-ion power manager with switch mode charger (5-16V input) 2014-09-04T12:29:19 < TheSeven> the whole thing is 5x5cm :) 2014-09-04T12:31:53 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-8.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T12:36:52 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0acaf8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-04T12:48:56 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71fd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T12:51:41 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2014-09-04T12:53:06 < qyx_> quite huge 2014-09-04T12:55:10 -!- tkoskine_ is now known as tkoskine 2014-09-04T12:56:39 < frankenmichl> at least I can work with these stm32's - has anyone ever had to read the so called "documentation" from Renesas, for example? 2014-09-04T12:57:09 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-04T12:59:12 < jpa-> renesas is such a large company that there are going to be very varying levels of documentation 2014-09-04T12:59:26 < jpa-> some ST documentation is very bad also 2014-09-04T12:59:55 < frankenmichl> I did not come across that ;) 2014-09-04T13:00:50 < frankenmichl> jpa-: these discrete pullups made things less faulty, however the other IC is still not accessed correctly :/ but that's not the stm32's problem 2014-09-04T13:01:12 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-144-252-8.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-04T13:01:20 < jpa-> check waveforms with scope 2014-09-04T13:02:22 < frankenmichl> if I only had a devent one at hand - my analog one won't trigger anymore 2014-09-04T13:07:43 < frankenmichl> the IC I have connected can give me voltage and current consumption 2014-09-04T13:08:06 < frankenmichl> funny thing is, I can read voltage, but not current, which both is a 16bit transfer.. 2014-09-04T13:08:14 < TheSeven> hm, with good (or bad) old atmels, i2c with internal pullups seemed to work surprisingly well 2014-09-04T13:09:24 < frankenmichl> I don't mind the two resistors right now, as it is only my protoboard 2014-09-04T13:09:48 < frankenmichl> however, I'm more a software developer and not that used to debugging hardware 2014-09-04T13:10:01 < TheSeven> in theory the bus should automatically reduce speed to accomodate for the bad slew rate ;) 2014-09-04T13:10:16 < TheSeven> it will just look like the slave would be stretching the clock to the master 2014-09-04T13:10:58 < frankenmichl> Ok, at least I found my first error 2014-09-04T13:11:26 < frankenmichl> one of my pullups is not properly connected. I think I should get much more soldering practice.. 2014-09-04T13:11:29 < frankenmichl> :D 2014-09-04T13:11:46 < jpa-> TheSeven: tolerance of internal resistors is +- 20% or so IIRC.. so SCL and SDA could change in very different speeds 2014-09-04T13:11:48 < frankenmichl> how useful that tiny dso quad can be 2014-09-04T13:12:16 < TheSeven> would be quite useful to artificially put SCL at the upper end of tolerance then ;) 2014-09-04T13:12:29 < TheSeven> frankenmichl: definitely! especially with jpa-'s hacks :) 2014-09-04T13:12:39 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T13:13:42 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T13:13:52 < frankenmichl> well, I thought using i2c can't be this hard 2014-09-04T13:14:03 < frankenmichl> but I think, the less wires, the more trouble 2014-09-04T13:14:34 < TheSeven> jpa-: or just have a higher threshold level for SCL 2014-09-04T13:15:08 < frankenmichl> ok, my pullups both connect perfectly to Vcc 2014-09-04T13:15:13 < frankenmichl> and to the pin 2014-09-04T13:15:28 < frankenmichl> would you recommend using the internal pullups as well? 2014-09-04T13:15:29 < TheSeven> grab a screenshot of the waveform then :) 2014-09-04T13:15:47 < frankenmichl> yeah, if I get some ;) 2014-09-04T13:15:48 < TheSeven> frankenmichl: if you have external ones <10kohm it probably just doesn't matter 2014-09-04T13:17:01 < frankenmichl> I really should be going to the office doing this stuff 2014-09-04T13:17:32 < frankenmichl> but no more this week.. so I lack proper measuring equipment :( but maybe my logic analyzer tells me sth. :) 2014-09-04T13:18:01 < TheSeven> the DSO is like the ideal tool for that situation ;) 2014-09-04T13:18:34 < frankenmichl> yeah? I still cannot operate it properly 2014-09-04T13:18:41 < frankenmichl> I don't see anything with it 2014-09-04T13:19:00 < TheSeven> anything as in "no waveform at all" or "nothing wrong"? 2014-09-04T13:19:20 < frankenmichl> no waveform at all 2014-09-04T13:19:30 < frankenmichl> at least I saw one line was always 0v 2014-09-04T13:20:31 * TheSeven wonders if gabo's DSO firmware has a built in I2C decoder 2014-09-04T13:21:31 < frankenmichl> i don't think so 2014-09-04T13:21:35 < frankenmichl> ah 2014-09-04T13:21:38 < frankenmichl> mine does not 2014-09-04T13:21:42 < frankenmichl> I meant ;) 2014-09-04T13:22:00 < TheSeven> nobody in his right mind uses an unmodified stock firmware these days ;) 2014-09-04T13:22:13 < TheSeven> but in theory even that should work for finding an I2C problem 2014-09-04T13:23:04 < jpa-> i do :) 2014-09-04T13:23:08 < frankenmichl> unfortunately it is not mine, I just got it temporarily 2014-09-04T13:23:11 < jpa-> but i never claimed to be in my right mind 2014-09-04T13:23:39 < frankenmichl> i'm currently writing my final thesis, however this i2c stuff was meant to be plug&play, no big thing ;) 2014-09-04T13:23:48 < frankenmichl> now I'm working on it for weeks 2014-09-04T13:24:12 * TheSeven has some AVR i2c bitbanging assembly code somewhere ;) 2014-09-04T13:24:14 < frankenmichl> and all I have to do is write software - so to the concept.. 2014-09-04T13:25:23 < jpa-> TheSeven: i have pic10f i2c bitbanging code right here ;) https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/uunimittari/transmitter_sw/i2c.asm 2014-09-04T13:25:55 < frankenmichl> I think I'm a bit stuck to the hardware i2c 2014-09-04T13:26:18 < frankenmichl> the entire system has to be power efficient as hell while still running linux 2014-09-04T13:26:37 < frankenmichl> and I'm pretty sure bitbanging would consume more power than the core will 2014-09-04T13:26:47 < jpa-> frankenmichl: you'll probably manage to debug it with a logic analyzer 2014-09-04T13:27:19 < TheSeven> frankenmichl: I wasn't suggesting to use bitbanging 2014-09-04T13:27:35 < frankenmichl> at least I got that one - open logic sniffer should be more than sufficient 2014-09-04T13:27:37 < TheSeven> so, first thing: figure out how to use that DSO 2014-09-04T13:27:51 < TheSeven> then capture a waveform of the offending bus transaction (or bus signal quality in general) 2014-09-04T13:27:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-8-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-04T13:28:15 < frankenmichl> first I should figure out why my sda is idle low 2014-09-04T13:29:23 < frankenmichl> hmm.. my dvm says its 3.3V, the dso says it's low 2014-09-04T13:29:31 < frankenmichl> goblins in my devices! 2014-09-04T13:30:05 < jpa-> dso not triggering? 2014-09-04T13:30:11 < TheSeven> or AC coupling? 2014-09-04T13:31:09 < TheSeven> put the DSO into AUTO triggering mode to make sure that it will show something even if there's no trigger signal 2014-09-04T13:31:26 < TheSeven> make sure that the channel you're using is set to DC coupling and 1V/div 2014-09-04T13:32:17 < frankenmichl> I think I got a buggy probe.. 2014-09-04T13:32:32 < TheSeven> ...or a flaky MCX connector, wouldn't be the first time... 2014-09-04T13:32:48 < TheSeven> try pushing the cable into the connector while it's plugged into the DSO 2014-09-04T13:33:19 < frankenmichl> I have used another one, and now I do in fact see some wave form 2014-09-04T13:33:19 < jpa-> if it is one of the small "digital probes" with hooks, they are very crappy 2014-09-04T13:33:31 < frankenmichl> I got both 2014-09-04T13:33:39 < jpa-> yeah, don't use the small ones 2014-09-04T13:33:52 < frankenmichl> now I do, because one of the other did not work 2014-09-04T13:33:56 < frankenmichl> just for convenience 2014-09-04T13:34:00 < TheSeven> jpa-: I've had those MUELLER probes' MCX connectors go bad as well 2014-09-04T13:35:36 < jpa-> oh, i haven't 2014-09-04T13:36:47 < frankenmichl> at least I now see these waveforms 2014-09-04T13:37:02 < frankenmichl> why should I be able to use lecroys but not the dso quad ^^ 2014-09-04T13:46:24 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@cablelink-86-127-184-56.rdstm.ro] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-04T13:46:55 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.39.26] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T13:51:04 < jpa-> frankenmichl: because the dso quad has the crappiest user interface ever :) 2014-09-04T13:51:46 < frankenmichl> jpa-: oh, it surely has 2014-09-04T13:52:08 < frankenmichl> well, my 40 year old tektronix ain't much better 2014-09-04T13:52:16 < frankenmichl> thousands of knobs 2014-09-04T13:52:20 < frankenmichl> 300 pages manual 2014-09-04T13:54:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-8-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T13:58:50 < gnomad> the difference is that all of them arevisible on the front panel. 2014-09-04T13:59:12 < gnomad> the problem with software scopes is that so much is hidden 2014-09-04T13:59:38 < jpa-> dso quad doesn't suffer from stuff being hidden that much 2014-09-04T13:59:43 < jpa-> more about it being hard to set 2014-09-04T13:59:52 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.254.60.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-04T13:59:53 < frankenmichl> I killed my usb 2014-09-04T13:59:56 < frankenmichl> lol 2014-09-04T14:00:05 < frankenmichl> at least those free ports 2014-09-04T14:04:42 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-04T14:05:57 < frankenmichl> but i finally managed to capture one still image of the waveform ^^ 2014-09-04T14:06:26 < frankenmichl> looks reasonable though 2014-09-04T14:07:18 < jpa-> do you happen to have logic analyzer in slot 3? ;) 2014-09-04T14:07:32 < jpa-> though open logic sniffer will probably do the same 2014-09-04T14:07:46 < frankenmichl> yeah, that will be my next step 2014-09-04T14:08:08 < frankenmichl> unfortunately I forgot my probes in the office, so I will need to craft me some little probe 2014-09-04T14:11:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has 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< frankenmichl> yeah 2014-09-04T15:41:27 -!- bangsnap [~bangsnap@ec2-54-201-199-156.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-04T15:41:48 < qyx_> invert them! 2014-09-04T15:41:56 < qyx_> #fixed 2014-09-04T15:42:00 < frankenmichl> haha sure 2014-09-04T15:42:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T15:42:28 < frankenmichl> I totally don't get it 2014-09-04T15:42:45 < frankenmichl> reading 16 bits shows me 2 16bit reads in the logic analyzer.. 2014-09-04T15:43:20 < jpa-> isn't reads NACKed by the receiver? 2014-09-04T15:43:41 < jpa-> i.e. you ACK if you want more bytes, NAK if you don't want any more.. so if read completes the last read will be NAK? 2014-09-04T15:43:48 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T15:43:53 < jpa-> or do i remember totally wrong? 2014-09-04T15:44:57 < frankenmichl> oh did I get it wrong? 2014-09-04T15:45:38 < jpa-> if i'm correct, in I2C the ACK is always done by the one who is receiving the data 2014-09-04T15:45:48 < jpa-> i.e. you write something, the other end ACKs; you read something, you ACK 2014-09-04T15:46:05 < frankenmichl> okay, so the NACK at the end of my successful read is perfectly fine..? 2014-09-04T15:46:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-04T15:46:49 < jpa-> yes, it means that you didn't want more 2014-09-04T15:47:24 < frankenmichl> ok thank you 2014-09-04T15:49:17 < frankenmichl> then I "just" need to diagnose these other requests 2014-09-04T15:50:28 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T15:50:45 < dongs> frankenmichl: why not like.... look at st sample code or something 2014-09-04T15:50:53 < dongs> at least... its better than writing shit from scratch 2014-09-04T15:51:32 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T15:52:34 -!- Geleia 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scratch.. so that has to wait 2014-09-04T15:59:12 < frankenmichl> dongs: at least I can fully support runtime clock configuration, for example 2014-09-04T16:02:49 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-04T16:06:22 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-04T16:17:17 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T16:23:32 < frankenmichl> hmm propably I've found the problem now 2014-09-04T16:24:07 < frankenmichl> i2c is an ***hole ;) 2014-09-04T16:29:24 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T16:47:57 < Laurenceb> http://beta.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5629697&cid=47824395 2014-09-04T16:52:53 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: and like that, he's gone] 2014-09-04T16:54:41 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has 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compared to F4? 2014-09-04T20:53:48 < GargantuaSauce> also why the two micros? 2014-09-04T20:54:08 < TheSeven> GargantuaSauce: they're sitting on top of each other, as alternatives ;) 2014-09-04T20:54:15 < GargantuaSauce> ahhh cool 2014-09-04T20:54:38 < TheSeven> pinout is *mostly* similar, but not quite identical, which is why I prefer the design tool to actually check that ;) 2014-09-04T20:54:54 < TheSeven> (and that's one reason for that shitload of solder bridges on the pcb) 2014-09-04T20:55:04 < zyp> ew 2014-09-04T20:55:59 < TheSeven> f205rct6 is 3.45€ @10pcs 2014-09-04T20:56:02 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-8-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-04T20:56:18 < zyp> what is this thing anyway? just a breakout board with a lipo charger? 2014-09-04T20:56:31 < TheSeven> basically yes 2014-09-04T20:57:02 < TheSeven> MCU breakout + power supply for it (several options: 1-3.3V, lipo with charger, or 5-16V) 2014-09-04T20:57:50 < zyp> looks like an awful lot of stuff for something with no particular purpose :p 2014-09-04T20:58:29 < TheSeven> well exactly that is the reason for the lot of stuff: it's general purpose ;) 2014-09-04T20:58:39 < TheSeven> i.e. lots of populating options etc. 2014-09-04T20:59:00 < TheSeven> most actually assembled boards likely won't have half of the components mounted 2014-09-04T20:59:38 < zyp> oh, I get that, I just don't see the point :p 2014-09-04T20:59:58 < TheSeven> f405rgt6 might work as well on that board, need to check that 2014-09-04T21:00:13 < TheSeven> but it's 8.68€ instead of 3.45€, and not that much better 2014-09-04T21:00:16 < GargantuaSauce> i believe f2 and f4 are supposed to be completely compatible 2014-09-04T21:00:25 < zyp> yeah, F40x is pretty much just F20x with M4F 2014-09-04T21:00:41 < TheSeven> + more flash/ram in this case 2014-09-04T21:01:37 < zyp> oh, I weren't aware F2 were available in a C-size 2014-09-04T21:01:47 < zyp> I thought it were only available in E and G like F4 2014-09-04T21:03:05 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T21:03:25 < TheSeven> there doesn't even seem to be an f405re... 2014-09-04T21:03:57 < zyp> that's also right 2014-09-04T21:04:25 < TheSeven> and funnily enough the f205rg is more expensive than the f405rg :P 2014-09-04T21:04:51 < zyp> that's why I asked about the comparison 2014-09-04T21:05:13 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-04T21:05:59 < zyp> F2 kinda falls in the middle, if you need performance you might as well go all the way to F4, and if you don't, you might as well go with something smaller 2014-09-04T21:06:05 < TheSeven> the f042c6 is really cheap :) 2.31€ @10pcs, 1.90€ @100pcs, and it has USB :) 2014-09-04T21:06:27 < zyp> that's not really that cheap 2014-09-04T21:06:39 < TheSeven> cheapest with USB in a sane package that you can get I think 2014-09-04T21:06:50 < zyp> yes, but your source is expensive 2014-09-04T21:07:00 < zyp> F042 should be <$1 2014-09-04T21:07:03 < TheSeven> sure, but then again I'm comparing different chips from the same source ;) 2014-09-04T21:07:11 < TheSeven> so f2 would probably be $2 as well 2014-09-04T21:08:15 < zyp> I used to be excited about F0x2 2014-09-04T21:08:39 < zyp> until I discovered that M0 doesn't have SCB_VTOR 2014-09-04T21:08:43 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T21:09:01 < gxti> bootloaders are overrated /s 2014-09-04T21:09:12 < GargantuaSauce> yeah bootloaders are for chumps 2014-09-04T21:09:17 < TheSeven> especially if it has builtin DFU :) 2014-09-04T21:09:18 < GargantuaSauce> swd program all day erryday 2014-09-04T21:09:48 < TheSeven> so what else, if not SWD or USB, do you want to boot from anyway? 2014-09-04T21:10:01 < gxti> network 2014-09-04T21:10:05 < zyp> builtin DFU is a joke, you don't want to make your users dick around with that shit 2014-09-04T21:10:17 < gxti> or some app-specific flashing tool 2014-09-04T21:10:28 < TheSeven> gxti: ...then I'd just use a chip with an ethernet MAC :) 2014-09-04T21:10:40 < gxti> i do 2014-09-04T21:10:41 < TheSeven> and what's so bad about builtin DFU? 2014-09-04T21:10:43 < gxti> and it has VTOR :p 2014-09-04T21:10:52 < zyp> and boot0 is also a pain unless having a dedicated bootloader button fits your project 2014-09-04T21:11:05 < TheSeven> the client application is crappy, but the protocol itself doesn't look so bad 2014-09-04T21:11:20 < TheSeven> it does fit in this case :) 2014-09-04T21:11:20 < gxti> although in the future i'm probably going to load from a spi flash or something, rather than having a network stack in the bootloader 2014-09-04T21:11:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-72-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T21:12:08 < zyp> TheSeven, driver bullshit 2014-09-04T21:12:14 < gxti> right now i'm actually loading from microsd but i probably won't do that in the future, i went down that road assuming the microsd would be useful for non-boot-related stuff but so far it hasn't, and i'd rather not deal with mechanical socket bullshit 2014-09-04T21:12:27 < TheSeven> well, fix the driver then? you'd have to do that anyway if you were to write another bootloader... 2014-09-04T21:12:35 < zyp> TheSeven, no 2014-09-04T21:12:54 < zyp> TheSeven, I wrote a bootloader that's using HID for transport 2014-09-04T21:13:01 < zyp> which eliminates that problem 2014-09-04T21:13:09 < TheSeven> argh, hid abuse :P 2014-09-04T21:13:16 < zyp> yep 2014-09-04T21:13:20 * TheSeven prefers sane operating systems which just support libusb properly :) 2014-09-04T21:14:03 < GargantuaSauce> most of us do, but imposing that on clients is not workable 2014-09-04T21:14:05 < zyp> so do I, but I'm not the only user 2014-09-04T21:14:29 < TheSeven> installing a libusb/winusb driver on windows isn't *that* bad either 2014-09-04T21:14:40 < gxti> apparently some people can't even get ftdi to work 2014-09-04T21:14:52 < TheSeven> libusb isn't any harder than that 2014-09-04T21:14:54 < gxti> and i really have better things to do than driver support 2014-09-04T21:14:57 < TheSeven> if it's properly packaged 2014-09-04T21:15:00 < zyp> TheSeven, compared to my «download and run this .exe», it is pretty bad 2014-09-04T21:15:34 < TheSeven> then use libwdi or whatever to automate the driver stuff 2014-09-04T21:16:50 < zyp> I'd rather just avoid it altogether :) 2014-09-04T21:18:14 < zyp> anyway, doing a custom bootloader also lets me use a custom condition to enter the bootloader instead of relying on boot0, use a custom way to control the d+ pullup and encode information about hardware type and version in the descriptors so the host side knows what it's actually flashing 2014-09-04T21:19:30 < zyp> oh, and initialize other outputs to avoid floating FET gates 2014-09-04T21:20:28 < GargantuaSauce> no pulldowns? :x 2014-09-04T21:20:47 < zyp> I see a ton of reasons to not use the builtin bootloader, so that makes the lack of SCB_VTOR a pretty big dealbreaker for me 2014-09-04T21:20:49 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-04T21:20:50 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T21:21:03 < zyp> especially when M0+ has SCB_VTOR, and is available in L0 2014-09-04T21:22:00 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T21:22:34 < TheSeven> how much of a cost difference is l0xx vs. f0x2 for similar functionality? 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Trying to compile my first project for f4discovery in Keil. Got D:\Keil_v5\ARM\PACK\Keil\STM32F4xx_DFP\1.0.8\Device\Include\stm32f4xx.h(9976): error: #5: cannot open source input file "stm32f4xx_conf.h": No such file or directory 2014-09-04T23:04:29 < xata> How do i fix this? 2014-09-04T23:06:51 < xata> But i can see it right in "Device" subfolder of project 2014-09-04T23:08:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.56.9] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T23:08:27 < bvernoux> xata: use GCC Embedded ARM 2014-09-04T23:08:49 < bvernoux> Keil = closed 2014-09-04T23:09:10 < bvernoux> even if generated code is a bit better than GCC ARM 2014-09-04T23:09:56 < bvernoux> xata: a good start is to try with libopencm3 example with GCC ARM 2014-09-04T23:11:03 < bvernoux> xata: or even better try ChibiStudio including a cool OS and DevEnv Eclipse+ARM GCC http://sourceforge.net/projects/chibios/files/ChibiStudio/ 2014-09-04T23:12:27 < xata> bvernoux: CooCox then, but all cool guys use Keil, that's why i am trying it 2014-09-04T23:12:46 < bvernoux> all cool guys use open source tools ;) 2014-09-04T23:12:57 < GargantuaSauce> sure, but eclipse? eugh 2014-09-04T23:12:58 < bvernoux> Coocox is closed too 2014-09-04T23:13:05 < xata> At the moment everything i tried in Keil sux. 2014-09-04T23:13:14 < bvernoux> GargantuaSauce: I use just a shell with makefile in fact ;) 2014-09-04T23:13:23 < xata> except that it is fast as hell 2014-09-04T23:13:28 < GargantuaSauce> and yet you recommend eclipse 2014-09-04T23:13:42 < bvernoux> Eclipse is for user which does not like to mess with lowlevel stuff like makefile ... 2014-09-04T23:14:01 < bvernoux> or user which never develop on embedded stuff 2014-09-04T23:14:03 < GargantuaSauce> or a functional dev environment 2014-09-04T23:14:18 < bvernoux> ChibiStudio is a very good startup for beginner 2014-09-04T23:14:21 < bvernoux> ready to go 2014-09-04T23:14:23 < xata> i had enough of makefiles in linux, no more please. no more. 2014-09-04T23:14:26 < bvernoux> just unpack and start 2014-09-04T23:14:36 < bvernoux> but it is for Windows 2014-09-04T23:14:40 < Tectu_> xata, I prefer any makefile over an IDE 2014-09-04T23:15:06 < bvernoux> to debug an IDE is great ;) 2014-09-04T23:15:15 < xata> ddd 2014-09-04T23:15:17 < bvernoux> I really hate using gdb in a console for debugging 2014-09-04T23:15:18 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-04T23:15:23 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T23:15:34 < bvernoux> ddd is just horrible ;) 2014-09-04T23:15:37 < GargantuaSauce> yeah until you're debugging a stack overflow and the ui locks up from trying to draw all the stackframes 2014-09-04T23:16:05 < bvernoux> but yes Eclipse is very HEAVY ... 2014-09-04T23:16:18 < GargantuaSauce> and does loads of io in the ui thread 2014-09-04T23:16:22 < xata> used to be ok when i made a linux stuff last time 2014-09-04T23:16:38 < xata> anyway keil 2014-09-04T23:16:42 < bvernoux> anyway for any developer starting embedded stuff i recommend ChibiStudio ;) 2014-09-04T23:16:44 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-04T23:16:54 < Tectu_> s/ChibiStudio/Eclipse 2014-09-04T23:16:56 < bvernoux> and you can study how work an embedded OS with some cool examples 2014-09-04T23:17:03 < xata> why does it have this trouble? 2014-09-04T23:17:15 < Tectu_> bvernoux, has nothing to do with ChibiStudio 2014-09-04T23:17:24 < bvernoux> yes i'm not selling it ;) 2014-09-04T23:17:25 < Tectu_> bvernoux, the documentation and examples and read-to-build works outside of eclsipe too 2014-09-04T23:17:39 < bvernoux> Tectu_: Yes I really like how it is done 2014-09-04T23:17:48 < bvernoux> Tectu_: I will recommend it for HydraBus development 2014-09-04T23:17:56 < bvernoux> a must have 2014-09-04T23:18:35 < Tectu_> never felt like it is a must have but it is pretty subjective anyway 2014-09-04T23:18:45 < bvernoux> Tectu_: I'm planning to just update it with chibios 3.0 and an other GCC with HydraBus/HydraNFC project configured by default 2014-09-04T23:18:47 < Tectu_> if anything says "eclipse" I take a big step around it 2014-09-04T23:19:00 < bvernoux> Tectu_: it is a must for beginner 2014-09-04T23:19:01 < xata> i am with linux for 12 years already, this opensource freeduhms are not fresh and inspiring anymore 2014-09-04T23:19:10 < Tectu_> agreed 2014-09-04T23:19:25 < bvernoux> Tectu_: else lot of new developer will run away if they need to write makefile ... 2014-09-04T23:19:44 < Tectu_> bvernoux, they don't need to. 2014-09-04T23:19:47 < _Sync_> they should deal with it 2014-09-04T23:19:56 < Tectu_> and that too ^ 2014-09-04T23:19:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.56.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-04T23:20:02 < zyp> *yawn* 2014-09-04T23:20:04 < Tectu_> we are not arduino. 2014-09-04T23:20:20 < Tectu_> it's not all about "getting the led blinking as quick as possible" 2014-09-04T23:20:20 < bvernoux> Tectu_: especially to welcome arduino users 2014-09-04T23:20:24 < _Sync_> I mean it is nice if it is not a total asspain 2014-09-04T23:20:50 < xata> so keil's compiler does not find the file, that ide does. why can be so? 2014-09-04T23:20:54 < bvernoux> Arduino users will come to chibios or other advanced OS 2014-09-04T23:20:57 < Tectu_> bvernoux, stop getting arduino users into "this world" 2014-09-04T23:21:01 < bvernoux> after they have played with leds ;) 2014-09-04T23:21:05 < Tectu_> bvernoux, there's a reason why they are arduino _users_ 2014-09-04T23:21:14 < Tectu_> they come and they fail 2014-09-04T23:21:18 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-04T23:21:20 < bvernoux> they will want something with more power true hard realtime to do REALLY cool stuff 2014-09-04T23:21:20 < zyp> IMO there's plenty of good ways to avoid having to write makefiles, eclipse is not one of them 2014-09-04T23:21:29 < Tectu_> zyp, SCons? :D 2014-09-04T23:21:32 < GargantuaSauce> says he who uses scons lol 2014-09-04T23:21:40 < zyp> ;) 2014-09-04T23:21:41 < _Sync_> automake 2014-09-04T23:21:42 < xata> cmake 2014-09-04T23:21:45 * _Sync_ hides 2014-09-04T23:21:45 < Tectu_> bvernoux, no arduino users knows what 'true hard realtime' is 2014-09-04T23:21:57 < Tectu_> automake... that pain 2014-09-04T23:21:58 < bvernoux> Tectu_: yes but they need to be informed ;) 2014-09-04T23:22:12 < _Sync_> Tectu_: we had a "beginner automake workshop" 2014-09-04T23:22:13 < Tectu_> bvernoux, if you feel like bothering with that, okay. 2014-09-04T23:22:15 < zyp> well, I weren't thinking alternatives really 2014-09-04T23:22:21 < Tectu_> _Sync_, how did it turn out? 2014-09-04T23:22:29 < _Sync_> apparently it was going over 5h 2014-09-04T23:22:31 < Tectu_> LOL 2014-09-04T23:22:32 < _Sync_> I left after 5 mins 2014-09-04T23:22:34 < zyp> rather «integrate into your library's build system» 2014-09-04T23:22:46 < bvernoux> Tectu_: a good alternative is micropython 2014-09-04T23:23:00 < zyp> that's what my stuff does, and it being scons is not really relevant 2014-09-04T23:23:07 < bvernoux> Tectu_: even easier than Arduino stuff and faster ;) 2014-09-04T23:23:20 < Tectu_> okay 2014-09-04T23:23:53 < xata> when i used to be avr, i wanted arduino hard, but i had no money for it, so i bought m32, and made my own damn arduino, and i never used a single line of arduino code, or shields. povetry brings power sometimes. also electonics brought me the job, not as a coder but as circuit designer though 2014-09-04T23:23:58 < Tectu_> so what? you want a "full hard realtime" OS that is very very advanced to be working "out of the box" to compile everything in just a couple of seconds so users will join the community? 2014-09-04T23:24:14 < Tectu_> if you are not able to deal with some issues before you get something running you're obviously either not intelligent or not motivated enough 2014-09-04T23:24:27 < GargantuaSauce> arduino is super full hard realtime, why else would they have all those blocking api calls 2014-09-04T23:24:28 < Tectu_> I remember how much time I spent into getting build systems up in the old days 2014-09-04T23:24:42 < bvernoux> Tectu_: yes really true hard realtime requires lot of knowledge before to do something ... 2014-09-04T23:25:20 < Tectu_> bvernoux, people these days forgot how to work in order to archive something. And all your fancy "woooh super easy to use (but now with 10000 restrictions)" is not helpful in that aspect 2014-09-04T23:25:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-04T23:25:37 < zyp> if you don't know what true hard realtime means, you don't need it. 2014-09-04T23:25:44 < xata> meh, timers+cycle counting. not that hard, or i miss something? 2014-09-04T23:25:49 < bvernoux> zyp: hehe yes it is true ;) 2014-09-04T23:26:31 < Tectu_> for examples, I stopped spending HOURS of working arduino people in howto getting uGFX run on their whatever system with whatever underlying OS. I did that a couple of times and when they had it running they lacked all the knowledge required to handle it. They didn't even know how to read documentation 2014-09-04T23:26:35 < xata> that's why i used to prefer asm on avr - i always knew how much will it take to do something 2014-09-04T23:26:50 < Tectu_> so not making your stuff "just working" helps to sort out possible "help, my code not working, please fix" forum posts 2014-09-04T23:26:51 < _Sync_> I remember that Tectu_ :P 2014-09-04T23:27:00 < _Sync_> I still rage that some stuff is not as clear 2014-09-04T23:27:06 < Tectu_> _Sync_, agreed. 2014-09-04T23:27:15 < Tectu_> _Sync_, but we improved, there's now a wiki for example ;-) 2014-09-04T23:27:17 < bvernoux> Tectu_: yes it is people who want solution without searching ... 2014-09-04T23:27:35 < bvernoux> Tectu_: a cool reply for that is RTFM ;) 2014-09-04T23:27:37 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T23:28:05 < Tectu_> _Sync_, the problem that many people with uGFX have is that they don't understand that it is not an uGFX problem if they fail to properly write the board file (the HAL) 2014-09-04T23:28:15 < xata> also any OS on 16mhz avr looks strange for me. why would somebody ever do so? it's like i tried contiki on my C64. coll, but what for? 2014-09-04T23:28:29 < Tectu_> _Sync_, and then "uGFX sucks". Just because they are not able to fill in wrappers and read the HAL documentation of what ever they are using. 2014-09-04T23:28:43 < GargantuaSauce> we all know ugfx sucks because of its license, not any other reason 2014-09-04T23:28:56 < zyp> :D 2014-09-04T23:28:57 < Tectu_> many uGFX newcommers want to do something with a (touch)display and then they starting raging because they don't find information on how to send something over SPI to the display using chibios 2014-09-04T23:28:58 < Fleck> I like uGFX so far... :D 2014-09-04T23:29:08 < bvernoux> xata: especially when you buy your 16Mhz old 8bits MCU for the price of a modern 32bits MCU with DMA and tons of SRAM Embedded flash and up to 200MHz low power MCU ;) 2014-09-04T23:29:09 < Tectu_> GargantuaSauce, that's a whole different story :P 2014-09-04T23:29:11 < Fleck> my opinion is useless I guess but... :D 2014-09-04T23:29:12 < Tectu_> thank you fleck :) 2014-09-04T23:29:45 < Tectu_> no opinion is useless as long as the argumentation behind it is legit in my opinion 2014-09-04T23:30:01 < GargantuaSauce> then it's not an opinion! 2014-09-04T23:30:05 < bvernoux> Arduino is cool to learn simple things 2014-09-04T23:30:07 < xata> bvernoux: that's why i'm here 2014-09-04T23:30:17 < bvernoux> but then you can move to something serious like a 32bits MCU 2014-09-04T23:30:24 < GargantuaSauce> ya tarduino was My First Microcontroller also 2014-09-04T23:30:35 < xata> f103 is 2 times _cheaper_ here, than avr 2014-09-04T23:30:47 < xata> m32 2014-09-04T23:30:58 < Tectu_> shower time - who wants to join me? 2014-09-04T23:31:08 * GargantuaSauce heads for the airport 2014-09-04T23:31:10 < Fleck> bvernoux: agree, that's what I did! :) 2014-09-04T23:31:29 < xata> only trouble is that m32 could be found in DIP, what is the big advantage for a beginner 2014-09-04T23:31:49 < bvernoux> xata: yes there is tons of variant for CortexM 2014-09-04T23:31:49 < GargantuaSauce> why? the disco boards are stupidly cheap 2014-09-04T23:32:03 < bvernoux> xata: even Microchip have lost the war of MCU ;) 2014-09-04T23:32:11 < GargantuaSauce> f0disco can sit right on a breadboard 2014-09-04T23:32:17 < _Sync_> there are armcortexes in dip 2014-09-04T23:32:26 < bvernoux> xata:all those old PIC16/18 are so bad compared to even CortexM0 2014-09-04T23:32:39 < xata> GargantuaSauce: they are cheap before they get to our local merchants 2014-09-04T23:32:42 < xata> also war 2014-09-04T23:32:53 < xata> also dollar rising, and wages not 2014-09-04T23:33:18 < GargantuaSauce> sure, but that makes a dip version and ancillary components more expensive too.... 2014-09-04T23:34:04 < xata> GargantuaSauce: they bought tons of that avr crap years ago, and still selling. donno why, but their prices are not rising that fast 2014-09-04T23:34:22 < GargantuaSauce> who is they 2014-09-04T23:34:23 < xata> as fast dollar is rising to hryvna 2014-09-04T23:34:30 < xata> merchants 2014-09-04T23:35:22 < bvernoux> I hope with IOT stuff we will see real new MCU 2014-09-04T23:35:30 < bvernoux> liek we have in mobil phone 2014-09-04T23:35:33 < bvernoux> like 2014-09-04T23:35:45 < xata> why would you need that powerfull mcu? 2014-09-04T23:35:59 < GargantuaSauce> doesn't matter, you'll be using rubles soon enough :V 2014-09-04T23:36:04 < bvernoux> with some real DSP capability as M4 are a bit limited compared to NEON instruction & freq 2014-09-04T23:36:13 < xata> i mean if you need power go and buy freescale i.MX6 quad and have fun. 2014-09-04T23:36:39 < bvernoux> I want 22nm CortexM5 with NEON and ultra low power with freq at up to 1GHz ;) 2014-09-04T23:37:15 < bvernoux> xata: I do not want a CPU but an MCU 2014-09-04T23:37:30 < GargantuaSauce> 1 ghz low power mcu 2014-09-04T23:37:34 < GargantuaSauce> .... 2014-09-04T23:37:48 < GargantuaSauce> good luck with that 2014-09-04T23:37:51 < bvernoux> actual MCU are 90nm 2014-09-04T23:37:56 < bvernoux> do the computation ;) 2014-09-04T23:38:15 < bvernoux> they could be 1GHz with 100mA power consumption 2014-09-04T23:38:26 < GargantuaSauce> and cost $50 2014-09-04T23:38:36 < bvernoux> not if they are sold by millions 2014-09-04T23:38:40 < xata> GargantuaSauce: it is more likely all of us will use bottle caps. Believe me, you'll have to kill all of us, and last of us will make a huge daboom right on your ass, бридке вато 2014-09-04T23:38:49 < GargantuaSauce> lol 2014-09-04T23:38:51 < bvernoux> like mobil phone CPU which cost less than 10USD 2014-09-04T23:38:59 < bvernoux> with 4 CortexA9 or more ... 2014-09-04T23:40:38 < GargantuaSauce> good luck with that to you also, xata 2014-09-04T23:41:30 < xata> bvernoux: CPU>MCU. Yes, pricey. Yes, you'll have to add ram and nand. but hey, if your appplication needs multicore 1ghz power, than you have to be ready for complexity 2014-09-04T23:42:48 < GargantuaSauce> even the newest generation of SoCs has a wider process than that bvernoux 2014-09-04T23:42:59 < GargantuaSauce> 22nm is expensive as fuck 2014-09-04T23:43:33 < GargantuaSauce> give it 5 years 2014-09-04T23:43:44 < bvernoux> expensive except if they are sold in quantity 2014-09-04T23:44:18 < GargantuaSauce> yes the sort of quantity that would involve one manufacturer dominating the whole market 2014-09-04T23:44:24 < GargantuaSauce> which would drive up prices anyway 2014-09-04T23:44:27 < _Sync_> nah 2014-09-04T23:44:37 < xata> well, i.mx6q 1ghz, commercial is sold for approx. 30$ per IC if you'll buy 1000. 2014-09-04T23:44:41 < bvernoux> IOT will be a real war with lot of MCU 2014-09-04T23:44:53 < bvernoux> integrating WIreless technology 2014-09-04T23:45:16 < xata> so i am installing coocox ide... 2014-09-04T23:45:27 < bvernoux> I'm waiting also soemthing with USB3.0 OTG ;) 2014-09-04T23:45:44 < Laurenceb__> n00batron 2014-09-04T23:46:03 < BrainDamage> ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) 2014-09-04T23:46:25 < qyx_> iot is just buzzwork like many others 2014-09-04T23:46:27 < qyx_> *word 2014-09-04T23:46:49 < qyx_> maybe in 10 years, but certainly not his year.. nor 2015/2016 2014-09-04T23:49:21 < GargantuaSauce> what'll really be fun is when all those iot products start hitting the market and then wifi starts sucking even more 2014-09-04T23:49:45 < bvernoux> hehe yes 2014-09-04T23:50:13 < bvernoux> with all that wireless pollution 2014-09-04T23:52:02 < xata> Laurenceb__: i could add it to my include path by hands, but crew the ide, that forces me to do so 2014-09-04T23:52:25 < xata> *screw ofc 2014-09-04T23:58:47 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-04T23:59:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Day changed Fri Sep 05 2014 2014-09-05T00:29:12 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-05T00:36:46 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-05T00:39:00 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-05T00:40:23 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T00:45:29 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-05T00:45:41 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T00:47:26 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-05T00:58:01 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alZhcFSyoE0 2014-09-05T01:00:45 < Laurenceb__> wow 2014-09-05T01:00:48 < Laurenceb__> epicness 2014-09-05T01:07:03 < Steffanx> any idea what fancy sensor that is? 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2014-09-05T03:21:56 < TheSeven> yes, how easy it will be to solder, and more importantly desolder again if required 2014-09-05T03:22:17 < TheSeven> how easy it is to only solder the right ones if several are placed close to each other etc. 2014-09-05T03:22:39 < TheSeven> http://i.imgur.com/h9sg5Eb.png 2014-09-05T03:22:41 < TheSeven> grid is 4 mils 2014-09-05T03:23:08 < TheSeven> i.e. the center and outer traces, as well as the spacing, are exactly 6 mils each 2014-09-05T03:23:18 < TheSeven> i.e. right at the limit of what most fabs will manufacture 2014-09-05T03:23:20 < dongs> vrrynice 2014-09-05T03:23:40 < dongs> 5/5 is standard dpec for my fab 2014-09-05T03:23:48 < TheSeven> I'll have to see what they do with the tip of the inner part etc. 2014-09-05T03:25:47 < dongs> nice 2014-09-05T03:25:47 < dongs> thanks 2014-09-05T03:37:29 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fbrzezqloqivxtfy] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T03:41:52 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-05T03:42:48 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-05T03:42:49 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T03:51:13 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-05T04:03:01 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T04:07:26 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T04:40:38 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71fd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-05T04:53:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MfHupD8.jpg 2014-09-05T05:08:00 < dongs> wow that looks like a missile guidance computer 2014-09-05T05:09:38 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T05:12:06 -!- DLPeterson_ [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-05T05:12:14 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-05T05:12:47 < dongs> R2COM: what board to board connetors are those 2014-09-05T05:13:28 < dongs> ooo 2014-09-05T05:13:39 < dongs> i just made footprints for hirpse DF9 2014-09-05T05:13:48 < dongs> hirose 2014-09-05T05:13:58 < dongs> gonna use htem for ~150mhz 24bit parallel data 2014-09-05T05:14:52 < dongs> nice 2014-09-05T05:17:17 < dongs> samtec sounds pretty awesome. probly expensieve tho 2014-09-05T05:22:32 < dongs> 3ya 2014-09-05T05:22:37 < dongs> hirose had step stuff for their shit too 2014-09-05T05:25:49 < dongs> R2COM: do you know if adding step models increases .pcblib size 2014-09-05T05:25:53 < dongs> or does it keep the models separate 2014-09-05T05:26:13 < dongs> i might start adding stuff but im afraid to make .pcblib bloated so when it fails to save it or something it crashes and ruins the file 2014-09-05T05:26:39 < dongs> like .step for a molex fpc connector is like 2-3 megs... 2014-09-05T05:29:30 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T05:37:48 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-05T05:44:05 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-05T05:45:52 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-05T05:46:14 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T05:47:29 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T05:49:17 < dongs> hm 2014-09-05T05:52:14 < dongs> i guess i should try 2014-09-05T05:53:32 < dongs> hirose df9 .stp is 1.8megs.. 2014-09-05T05:53:32 < dongs> k 2014-09-05T05:53:39 < dongs> sholud be obviosu if it makes. .lib too big 2014-09-05T05:58:24 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-05T05:58:39 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T06:00:44 < dongs> blah 2014-09-05T06:00:46 < dongs> embedded 2014-09-05T06:00:47 < dongs> fail 2014-09-05T06:02:30 < dongs> no pretty 3d pix 4 me 2014-09-05T06:06:31 < dongs> actualyl i cant figure out how to make it use the model 2014-09-05T06:06:38 < dongs> i add 3d body/embed step model 2014-09-05T06:06:44 < dongs> but i duno how to make it 'fit' over connector 2014-09-05T06:07:39 < dongs> ya, but im missing the next step 2014-09-05T06:07:50 < dongs> i guess i need snap points? 2014-09-05T06:07:57 < dongs> hm no 2014-09-05T06:07:59 < dongs> yeah 2014-09-05T06:08:39 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-05T06:08:41 < dongs> so what, after embed step model what do i do? 2014-09-05T06:08:44 < dongs> click ok? 2014-09-05T06:08:54 < dongs> it just goes back to editing s creen with nothing thre 2014-09-05T06:09:49 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T06:10:12 < dongs> fff wtf 2014-09-05T06:10:17 < dongs> its not doing anything 2014-09-05T06:10:34 < dongs> oh shittt 2014-09-05T06:10:38 < dongs> it was way off hte screen 2014-09-05T06:10:56 < dongs> i ended up placing 2 of htem ahah 2014-09-05T06:10:57 < dongs> k lets see 2014-09-05T06:11:38 < dongs> hm height is wrong 2014-09-05T06:12:51 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T06:12:53 < dongs> allright fixed 2014-09-05T06:13:04 < dongs> time to see if it taeks up space inside .lib.. 2014-09-05T06:13:14 < dongs> ya :( 2014-09-05T06:13:22 < dongs> at least its some binary format so its not 1.7megs 2014-09-05T06:13:26 < dongs> but still larger 2014-09-05T06:19:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vSZ1IbD.png 2014-09-05T06:21:26 < dongs> right, thats what im thinking too 2014-09-05T06:21:37 < dongs> because i wa snt sure if i needed to invert footprint for female connector on these 2014-09-05T06:21:49 < dongs> but i dropped .stp on it and it fits right in, so i guess that answers that question 2014-09-05T06:25:38 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-05T06:26:32 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-05T06:30:22 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-05T06:33:14 < dongs> ultiboard is shit 2014-09-05T06:33:23 < dongs> they give it away with pretty much any purchase from NI 2014-09-05T06:33:34 < dongs> like you get some DAQ and you can get ultifail for ~$5 or something 2014-09-05T06:33:38 < dongs> so it cant be good for anything 2014-09-05T06:38:38 < dongs> nah, but drove by the bridge/river 2014-09-05T06:50:08 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-enhnjsbafwqytkzf] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T06:57:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-05T06:58:41 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T06:59:55 < dongs> i just finished downloading 14.3.14 2014-09-05T07:00:46 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/What's+New+in+Altium+Designer 2014-09-05T07:00:52 < dongs> This release sees the removal of support for GDI (Graphics Design Interface) in the PCB Editor. To be able to effectively use the PCB Editor, your PC must have a Graphics Card that supports DirectX 9c and Shader model 3 (at a minimum). 2014-09-05T07:00:57 < dongs> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 2014-09-05T07:00:58 < dongs> finally 2014-09-05T07:02:21 < dongs> came out last week 2014-09-05T07:02:24 < dongs> (.14 2014-09-05T07:02:33 < dongs> well, its good that they're finally dropping support for useless shit 2014-09-05T07:03:03 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T07:03:33 < dongs> A large part of the time spent designing a board is for interactive routing. Helping to make this phase more efficient, Altium Designer 14.3 combines automatic rule switching with intelligent track segment creation. By defining Room-based routing width design rules, tracks can automatically neck and expand as a room is entered or exited. 2014-09-05T07:03:39 < dongs> ohhhh 2014-09-05T07:03:41 < dongs> nice!! 2014-09-05T07:04:29 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T07:04:39 < dongs> yeah but nobody uses allegro 2014-09-05T07:04:44 < dongs> and allegro still draws with GDI!!! 2014-09-05T07:05:48 < emeb_mac> done soldering... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/2014-09-04%2020.43.41.jpg 2014-09-05T07:06:02 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-05T07:06:28 < emeb_mac> BBB cape 2014-09-05T07:07:23 < emeb_mac> but it's OPEN! 2014-09-05T07:08:22 < emeb_mac> guy who helped me with it wanted that on there for some reason. I don't care 2014-09-05T07:19:50 < dongs> that dick 2014-09-05T07:20:39 < dongs> nope 2014-09-05T07:20:43 < dongs> really, wher did you read that 2014-09-05T07:20:49 < dongs> their length matching is horrible in ~current 2014-09-05T07:20:57 < dongs> well, nonexistent 2014-09-05T07:21:07 < dongs> they cant even give net length correctly 2014-09-05T07:21:16 < dongs> they just give a length from pad to next via 2014-09-05T07:21:22 < dongs> you cant get overall net length for exmaple 2014-09-05T07:21:23 < dongs> to match 2014-09-05T07:21:25 < dongs> pretty fucking useless 2014-09-05T07:21:53 < dongs> when i did ddr sdram layout in diptrace I just imported gerber from a reference desing and traced over it... :p 2014-09-05T07:27:38 < dongs> they're about to release some freetard version 2014-09-05T07:27:43 < dongs> and/or dramatically change pricing 2014-09-05T07:27:53 < dongs> so maybe it will be good once they separate it from uselessshit noone uses 2014-09-05T07:27:55 < dongs> like FPGA stuff etc 2014-09-05T07:28:04 < dongs> yes 2014-09-05T07:30:28 < dongs> duno man, im sticking wiht altium 2014-09-05T07:30:40 < dongs> it works, its eas,y it does what i want, etc. 2014-09-05T07:31:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-05T07:31:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T07:34:48 < ds2> is that a RP or normal SMA? 2014-09-05T07:34:58 < dongs> which? 2014-09-05T07:35:00 < emeb_mac> normal 2014-09-05T07:35:02 < dongs> oh 2014-09-05T07:35:19 < ds2> damn.. cant recycle those RP-SMA antennas 2014-09-05T07:35:20 < emeb_mac> rp is mainly used for wifi antennas 2014-09-05T07:35:34 < dongs> wait is there even a STM32 on that board 2014-09-05T07:35:34 < ds2> yes, but I got a pile of them from decomissioned AP's 2014-09-05T07:35:38 < emeb_mac> you can use whatever you want if you've got the cables 2014-09-05T07:35:47 < ds2> dongs: softcore STM32? :D 2014-09-05T07:35:53 < emeb_mac> dongs: no stm32 2014-09-05T07:35:57 < emeb_mac> just FPGA 2014-09-05T07:36:26 < ds2> I do find the number of RF connectors out there irritating 2014-09-05T07:36:47 < ds2> SMA, N, BNC, UFL, grrrr 2014-09-05T07:36:57 < emeb_mac> ds2: the nice thing about standards is there are so many to choose from :) 2014-09-05T07:37:07 < dongs> hm i think pin numbering would ne reversed on thed DF9s 2014-09-05T07:37:11 < dongs> for male/female 2014-09-05T07:37:43 < ds2> emeb_mac: how big is your collection of adapters? 2014-09-05T07:37:59 < emeb_mac> ds2: got a drawer full of 'em 2014-09-05T07:38:06 < emeb_mac> they're cheap @ fry's 2014-09-05T07:38:37 < ds2> cheap!?? 2014-09-05T07:38:45 < ds2> frys is god aweful expensive 2014-09-05T07:38:57 < ds2> about 3-5x the price at swapmeets 2014-09-05T07:39:20 < emeb_mac> ds2: eh - 2-3 buck usually 2014-09-05T07:39:32 < ds2> vs $0.25-$0.50 each 2014-09-05T07:39:33 < emeb_mac> and swapmeets are few & far between here 2014-09-05T07:39:56 < emeb_mac> when I need an adapter there's nothing else to do 2014-09-05T07:40:10 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fbrzezqloqivxtfy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-05T07:40:26 < ds2> thought there is a big one up in scottsdale? 2014-09-05T07:40:30 < emeb_mac> and when I go to hamfests here the prices aren't that good 2014-09-05T07:40:40 < ds2> oh 2014-09-05T07:40:52 < emeb_mac> there are hamfests here - three or four per year 2014-09-05T07:41:31 < emeb_mac> you want to see high prices - look at the Pasternak site. :P 2014-09-05T07:41:43 < ds2> here they are almost once a month if not more frequent 2014-09-05T07:42:00 < emeb_mac> ds2: well, you live in nerd-central. :) 2014-09-05T07:42:29 < ds2> people tell me there are stuff in Scottsdale 2014-09-05T07:42:39 < emeb_mac> us hicks in flyover country aren't so lucky 2014-09-05T07:43:07 < emeb_mac> there is a hamfest in Scottsdale first saturday in March. 2014-09-05T07:43:18 < emeb_mac> one in Mesa first saturday in December 2014-09-05T07:43:30 < dongs> manfest more like 2014-09-05T07:43:43 < emeb_mac> that's "manly-fest" 2014-09-05T07:44:12 < ds2> how's CircuitSpecialists pricewise? 2014-09-05T07:44:24 < emeb_mac> they're OK for some stuff 2014-09-05T07:44:39 < emeb_mac> fairly limited selection tho 2014-09-05T07:44:56 < ds2> they seem to have a lot of stuff online 2014-09-05T07:45:02 < emeb_mac> R2COM: they're about 10min drive from me 2014-09-05T07:45:04 < ds2> R2COM: I get that stuff from them 2014-09-05T07:45:34 < emeb_mac> I just walk in order at the counter. 2014-09-05T07:46:01 < ds2> their selection of scopes isn't bad 2014-09-05T07:46:16 < emeb_mac> they have a lot of equipment 2014-09-05T07:46:28 < emeb_mac> most of the parts are pretty old stuff tho 2014-09-05T07:46:40 < emeb_mac> mostly thru-hole / DIP / etc 2014-09-05T07:46:43 < emeb_mac> no SMD 2014-09-05T07:46:45 < gxti> exercise is bad for you 2014-09-05T07:46:47 < ds2> ah 2014-09-05T07:47:53 < emeb_mac> gxti: yeah - exercise hurts and burns essential calories that could be devoted to surfing the web 2014-09-05T07:51:07 < dongs> hantek is the standard chinese shit 2014-09-05T07:51:13 < dongs> right there with rigol etc 2014-09-05T07:51:25 < dongs> yep 2014-09-05T07:51:29 < dongs> they do work 2014-09-05T07:52:13 < ds2> hanktek works 2014-09-05T07:52:16 < ds2> runs Linux 2014-09-05T07:53:01 < dongs> thats the problem 2014-09-05T07:53:42 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T07:54:17 < ds2> :P 2014-09-05T07:56:36 < emeb_mac> I got one of those 50MHz Siglent dual-output generators for the day job 2014-09-05T07:56:42 < emeb_mac> works nicely 2014-09-05T07:57:21 < ds2> I got one for around $200 that claims to go up to 200MHz 2014-09-05T07:57:25 < emeb_mac> yeah you could fake something up with a devboard 2014-09-05T07:57:29 < ds2> it is pretty crappy at 200MHz though 2014-09-05T07:57:55 < emeb_mac> but it's not going to give you calibrated levels and easy frequency control 2014-09-05T07:58:10 < emeb_mac> designing a good user interface isn't the work of a few hours. 2014-09-05T07:58:49 < ds2> yes, the hantek controls for the AWG is pretty crappy 2014-09-05T07:58:57 < emeb_mac> eh - what's your time worth? 2014-09-05T07:59:04 < ds2> driving 50ohms is a pain 2014-09-05T07:59:29 < emeb_mac> a few hours of fscking around with hobby-grade crap or just get good test equipment that works? 2014-09-05T08:00:06 < emeb_mac> having said that, I use a cheap DAC + FPGA to do signal generation sometimes. 2014-09-05T08:03:38 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-05T08:11:43 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 2014-09-05T08:23:16 < jpa-> hmm.. i have "undefined instruction" hardfault occassionally, executing a push instruction that normally executes fine 2014-09-05T08:23:22 < jpa-> and stack pointer is aligned also 2014-09-05T08:35:25 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] 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45secs? 2014-09-05T12:26:33 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-05T12:26:46 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T12:30:17 < Laurenceb> too many discovery boards 2014-09-05T12:32:06 < t1memob> better collect them all 2014-09-05T12:37:27 < jpa-> Tectu_: dunno, i've forgotten 2014-09-05T12:39:31 -!- xata [~xata@142-138.trifle.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T12:39:46 < karlp> heh, url from http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/LN1848/PF260318 (f334 disco pcb) leads to the original f3 disco page... 2014-09-05T12:39:54 -!- DanteA [~X@host-120-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-05T12:39:59 < xata> So i made that keil work yesterday. Weird ide, but still cool i must say 2014-09-05T12:40:05 < xata> Also hello 2014-09-05T12:40:40 < t1memob> weird? it works 2014-09-05T12:41:02 < t1memob> better than say GCC ide. 2014-09-05T12:42:07 < Laurenceb> wtf 2014-09-05T12:42:08 < Laurenceb> http://gamesnosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/DSC_0585-001.jpg 2014-09-05T12:42:12 < Laurenceb> do not want 2014-09-05T12:45:34 < t1memob> open source? 2014-09-05T12:47:00 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-05T12:48:01 < Laurenceb> quinnspiracy 2014-09-05T12:49:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-05T12:51:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T12:53:13 < Laurenceb> holy fucking tl;dr 2014-09-05T12:53:15 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pKmy5OKg6lo 2014-09-05T12:54:41 < Laurenceb> 25 minutes what the fuck 2014-09-05T12:57:33 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-05T12:58:34 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T12:58:48 < baird> L: https://github.com/GamerGateOP/GamerGateOP/blob/master/FAQ.md 2014-09-05T12:59:20 < Laurenceb> lolz wtf 2014-09-05T13:00:41 < baird> Also Quinn's a massively terrible person. Makes my problems with Charl look teenage... 2014-09-05T13:04:36 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T13:09:08 -!- timemob [~dongs@125.152.169.136] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T13:09:09 -!- t1memob [~dongs@125.152.169.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-05T13:09:17 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@176.10.107.235] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T13:11:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-72-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T13:18:41 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wFyTIZkDrs8 2014-09-05T13:21:41 -!- t1memob [~dongs@115.95.237.6] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T13:23:02 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71fd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T13:23:41 -!- timemob [~dongs@125.152.169.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-05T13:28:50 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/Zs0/plain does anyone have ideas about this UNDEFINSTR crash? 2014-09-05T13:30:47 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@176.10.107.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-05T13:31:46 -!- shiftplusone [~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2014-09-05T13:32:15 -!- shiftplusone [~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T13:33:09 < xata> >http://gamesnosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/DSC_0585-001.jpg 2014-09-05T13:33:25 < xata> Holy crap, what an ugly transsexual to the right 2014-09-05T13:33:39 -!- Vutral__ [~ss@176.10.107.235] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T13:33:58 < _Sync_> who the fuck is that 2014-09-05T13:34:07 < xata> What is that thing, what it does on photo and what a horrible creature you have to make photos of this 2014-09-05T13:35:24 < dongs> jpa-: nxwidgets..... 2014-09-05T13:35:29 < dongs> why u no use ugfx?? 2014-09-05T13:35:56 < Laurenceb> heh nxwidgets 2014-09-05T13:36:01 < Laurenceb> is that even finished? 2014-09-05T13:36:32 < jpa-> dongs: 1) it didn't exist back then 2) crazy licenses don't fly 2014-09-05T13:36:42 < Laurenceb> http://nuttx.org/Documentation/NxWidgets.html 2014-09-05T13:36:44 < Laurenceb> lorf 2014-09-05T13:36:47 < dongs> oh jesus 2014-09-05T13:36:50 < dongs> its shit from nuttx? 2014-09-05T13:36:51 < dongs> ookay. 2014-09-05T13:37:13 < Laurenceb> so unfinished 2014-09-05T13:38:22 -!- t1memob [~dongs@115.95.237.6] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2014-09-05T13:38:23 < jpa-> works quite well in practice 2014-09-05T13:38:45 < jpa-> the crash is probably totally unrelated to the code, because i cannot figure out why that push would cause UNDEFINSTR 2014-09-05T13:39:06 -!- eduard74 [~eduard@246.Red-88-2-234.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-05T13:53:44 < baird> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDxeFwmGnSs 2014-09-05T13:55:14 < Laurenceb> epic lulz 2014-09-05T14:06:39 < dongs> whats the original 2014-09-05T14:06:47 < dongs> sounds interesting before 4chanfgts fucked it up 2014-09-05T14:09:19 < Laurenceb> what happened to the guys on the outside of the plane 2014-09-05T14:09:23 < Laurenceb> continuity fail 2014-09-05T14:17:58 < baird> dongs: The opening of Dark Knight Rises. 2014-09-05T14:19:35 < dongs> i see 2014-09-05T14:19:38 < dongs> i think i skiped that 2014-09-05T14:19:40 < dongs> wasnt funny 2014-09-05T14:37:55 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T14:40:59 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-05T14:50:10 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xnembtvaoysdfaez] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-05T14:54:09 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T15:00:56 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2014-09-05T15:04:21 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-05T15:11:16 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T15:20:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-72-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-05T15:23:53 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-05T15:24:43 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T15:26:40 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-8-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T15:29:42 -!- Vutral__ [~ss@176.10.107.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-05T15:29:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-05T15:43:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-8-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-05T15:43:17 -!- shiftplusone [~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-05T15:43:56 -!- shiftplusone [~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T15:44:35 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T15:49:49 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@76.164.192.124] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2014-09-05T15:51:16 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@76.164.192.124] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T15:57:51 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-109-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T16:00:02 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdpnxcblxwneqkze] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T16:02:22 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-05T16:15:27 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T16:18:10 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T16:21:09 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-05T16:32:53 < karlp> zyp: http://www.segger.com/jlink-real-time-terminal.html is a nice fancy interpretation of your rblog stuff, similar I guess to how MTB is meant to work. 2014-09-05T16:33:05 < karlp> a little dubious abotu their timing claims though.. 2014-09-05T16:34:10 < zyp> I remember somebody were talking about doing something similar here some time 2014-09-05T16:36:18 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Quit: bbl] 2014-09-05T16:36:20 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-liveunpoaevxavat] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T16:38:02 < zyp> also, it doesn't say anything about the string formatting happening on host side, which is the point of rblog 2014-09-05T16:38:49 < zyp> «An average line of text can be output in one microsecond or less. Basically only the time to do a single memcopy(),» 2014-09-05T16:38:59 < zyp> so the line is still memcopied into the buffer 2014-09-05T16:39:14 < zyp> rblog just stores a pointer to the string in the buffer 2014-09-05T16:41:11 < karlp> yeah, their timing claims seem to avoid the "getting it back to the user" anyway, "we magically scan and update only when needed" 2014-09-05T16:42:30 < dongs> Windows gets all the spyware because there's absolutely no one who wants to watch a Linux user's webcam. 2014-09-05T16:48:19 < zyp> karlp, of course, the relevant time is the time the call interrupts the program flow 2014-09-05T16:48:45 < zyp> which for semihosting and other sorts of printing is kinda long 2014-09-05T16:48:57 -!- edmont [~edmont@quagmire.cedint.upm.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-05T16:51:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-05T16:51:35 < dongs> any wireshark pros here 2014-09-05T16:51:48 < zyp> uh 2014-09-05T16:52:00 < zyp> not sure I can call myself that, but I've used wireshark 2014-09-05T16:52:43 < karlp> zyp: sure, but not sure how they're getting such slow times for swo, that's limited by tools... 2014-09-05T16:53:09 < karlp> (unless you're writing to the ITM with blocking calls of course....) 2014-09-05T16:53:53 < zyp> it says time to output 82 characters, what else than a blocking call would they use? 2014-09-05T16:53:56 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-05T16:55:52 < jpa-> hmm, stm32f303vct6 on the dso touch 2014-09-05T16:56:22 < Steffanx> not even a 429 to drive the lcd? 2014-09-05T16:56:33 < jpa-> nope, ILI something lcd controller 2014-09-05T16:57:03 < Steffanx> oh jpa- is a lucky bird 2014-09-05T16:57:15 < jpa-> tiny ram in the MCU 2014-09-05T16:58:54 < jpa-> direct sampling by the stm32 adc, just HC4053 for gain selection 2014-09-05T16:59:09 < jpa-> no touchscreen, just touch area (capacitive sensor) 2014-09-05T17:00:24 < jpa-> nothing better than dso quad, really 2014-09-05T17:00:46 < Steffanx> you mean even worse? 2014-09-05T17:01:09 < jpa-> depends on how you look at it 2014-09-05T17:01:31 < jpa-> IMO both of them have fine hardware, dso quad better; and probably both of them have equally crappy software 2014-09-05T17:01:49 < _Sync_> yeah 2014-09-05T17:03:37 < jpa-> dso touch has some strange 40-pin chip "Haier HC64005 GM08BFH001" with its own (programming?) connector 2014-09-05T17:03:56 < jpa-> hmm, probably the touch area controller 2014-09-05T17:11:23 < Steffanx> pics of inside are forbidden to share? 2014-09-05T17:11:32 < Steffanx> or are they already released? 2014-09-05T17:13:15 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T17:15:56 < Steffanx> by seeed 2014-09-05T17:16:41 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-251-164.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: ] 2014-09-05T17:17:54 < jpa-> Steffanx: will blog soonish 2014-09-05T17:18:32 -!- 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emeb> BBB 2014-09-05T18:48:54 < emeb> BBW 2014-09-05T18:49:41 < Laurenceb> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmt4b78rnh1qznjszo1_500.jpg 2014-09-05T18:49:43 < hesperaux> *You make yourself a sandwich 2014-09-05T18:49:44 < hesperaux> fixd 2014-09-05T18:51:16 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db71fd0.pool.mediaWays.net] has left ##stm32 ["Verlassend"] 2014-09-05T18:51:22 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-05T19:03:21 < Laurenceb> "Wizardchan is an imageboard community for male virgins." 2014-09-05T19:03:30 < Laurenceb> lorf'd 2014-09-05T19:04:11 -!- PT_Dreamer [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T19:04:14 -!- xata [~xata@142-138.trifle.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-05T19:07:12 < Laurenceb> attn dongs: http://asset-6.soup.io/asset/5288/5590_6b43.png 2014-09-05T19:08:37 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T19:11:29 < dongs> > watch anime 2014-09-05T19:11:31 < dongs> 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GargantuaSauce> be nice if it could do 12V in but i guess an extra buck isnt too big of a deal 2014-09-05T19:50:02 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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I would hate to be a programmer working on mask rom firmware 2014-09-05T20:49:48 < zyp> well, it works fine, it's just too unflexible 2014-09-05T20:50:33 < ossifrage> I wish ST would go to a full crossbar on the non-analog GPIOs, working with the nrf51 is so nice in comparison 2014-09-05T20:51:42 < zyp> then again stm32 is nice compared to some of the larger lpcs 2014-09-05T20:52:08 < zyp> the pin function table of lpc43xx is horrible 2014-09-05T20:53:15 < ossifrage> but the nrf51 did some weirdness with overlapping interrupts and shared apb attachment 2014-09-05T20:53:58 < ossifrage> it has 2 SPI and 2 I2C, but the SPI and I2Cs share bus resources (but not registers) which is annoying 2014-09-05T20:54:39 < zyp> they share registers too, you just get two different views of the same peripheral block 2014-09-05T20:54:51 < zyp> the base addrs of the blocks are the same 2014-09-05T20:55:03 < zyp> (I've also worked with nrf51) 2014-09-05T20:55:47 < ds2> hmmm never noticed that...might explain why it doesn't offer slave modes 2014-09-05T20:56:05 < ossifrage> hmm I didn't notice the shared registers, but I ended up just using 2 I2C buses 2014-09-05T20:56:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.134] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-05T20:56:36 < zyp> ds2, isn't there a separate slave block? 2014-09-05T20:56:54 < ossifrage> they have a spis which is independent 2014-09-05T20:57:11 < zyp> yeah, that's what I thought I remembered 2014-09-05T20:58:43 < ds2> not that I can find 2014-09-05T20:59:48 < ossifrage> Ouch SPI0/TWI0 and SPI1/TWI1/SPIS1 are at the same address, didn't notice that before 2014-09-05T21:01:28 < ossifrage> but the SPIS/SPI and TWI have different offsets, so I don't think they actually overlap 2014-09-05T21:02:54 -!- Bomar [531d8373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.29.131.115] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T21:05:09 < zyp> they don't need to overlap, two addrs can map to the same underlying register 2014-09-05T21:07:35 < Bomar> Hey, I'm stm32 newbe with stm32f429 discovery, I'd like to reprogram a demonstration firmware, so I'm programming it with openocd "openocd -f board/stm32f429discovery.cfg -c "program firmware.hex verify reset", but there is nothing on screen. What did I wrong? 2014-09-05T21:07:36 < ossifrage> "Peripherals do not share any registers or common resources, but the total number of registers available for each peripheral is reduced compared to a peripheral that has a dedicated ID" 2014-09-05T21:10:38 < ossifrage> grr, but later in the doc they say that it does share registers... 2014-09-05T21:11:04 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-05T21:11:12 < jpa-> somehow it would make sense for it to share the AMBA bus dropout but not registers 2014-09-05T21:11:38 < ossifrage> The new steppings of the nrf51 still has rather annoying bugs in things like the I2C hardware 2014-09-05T21:12:00 < ossifrage> pretty basic stuff like races on registers crossing clock domains 2014-09-05T21:12:25 < ossifrage> and some nasty power consumption bugs 2014-09-05T21:13:36 < ossifrage> I really wish I could find a flash based bluetooth low energy SOC with some more computes and sram 2014-09-05T21:21:15 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@73.170.105.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-05T21:22:14 < Steffanx> is the nrf stuff really the only soc around? 2014-09-05T21:22:51 < Steffanx> ble sco that is 2014-09-05T21:22:55 < Steffanx> *soc 2014-09-05T21:23:50 < GargantuaSauce> i would expect realtek or someone to have one or at least silicon ip for it but haven't seen anything much 2014-09-05T21:24:01 < Steffanx> oh no, but 8051 isn't an option, is it? :P 2014-09-05T21:24:27 < GargantuaSauce> never 2014-09-05T21:25:11 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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Do I need to use FIFO mode? 2014-09-05T21:38:13 < varesa> The docs "If DMA FIFO is enabled, data packing/unpacking and/or Burst mode can be used." seem to imply that packing should be disabled if I don't have FIFO mode enabled 2014-09-05T21:40:30 < jpa-> on other STM32's atleast, if the target address cannot be byte-written, the writes will be extended automatically 2014-09-05T21:41:57 < varesa> jpa-: As in extended with zeroes or extended with next values from source? 2014-09-05T21:42:12 < jpa-> extended with the byte duplicated, IIRC 2014-09-05T21:42:16 < zyp> varesa, I suggest you explain your situation 2014-09-05T21:42:25 < jpa-> but can't remember for sure 2014-09-05T21:42:30 < zyp> is this M2P or P2M? 2014-09-05T21:43:09 < varesa> zyp: I am trying to load a timer compare register with a 8-bit value 2014-09-05T21:43:50 < zyp> ah, that's no big deal 2014-09-05T21:44:00 < varesa> It works if I just make my source array 32-bit, but I'm interested if it's possible without adding 24 zero bits to every value :) 2014-09-05T21:44:17 < zyp> yeah, just do 8-bit transfers 2014-09-05T21:44:39 < zyp> hmm, I haven't tried it on F4, but I've done just that on F3 2014-09-05T21:45:18 -!- Bomar [531d8373@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.29.131.115] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-05T21:45:38 < varesa> If I have source size as a byte and destination as a word it reads multiple values and chains them together 2014-09-05T21:46:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.71] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T21:47:26 < zyp> then set destination as byte 2014-09-05T21:49:22 < varesa> ah, I didn't realize that the memory was lsb-first 2014-09-05T21:49:48 < varesa> Now it reads only one but duplicates it just as jpa- said 2014-09-05T21:50:37 < GargantuaSauce> it baffles me that arm doesn't specify endianness 2014-09-05T21:50:53 < varesa> I guess I'll just stick to word-to-word as it works 2014-09-05T21:51:08 < varesa> It's not like I'm running out of memory or anything 2014-09-05T21:52:27 < zyp> GargantuaSauce, I've never seen a big-endian implementation 2014-09-05T21:52:29 < zyp> have you? 2014-09-05T21:52:32 < GargantuaSauce> nope 2014-09-05T21:52:43 < zyp> so it's as good as defined ;) 2014-09-05T21:52:47 < GargantuaSauce> which is part of the reason why it baffles me 2014-09-05T21:52:50 < GargantuaSauce> why not just specify it 2014-09-05T21:53:03 < zyp> why do it? 2014-09-05T21:53:32 < GargantuaSauce> because it is a very significant source of incompatibility at the abi and software level? 2014-09-05T21:54:30 < zyp> how so? 2014-09-05T21:55:09 < GargantuaSauce> anything that processes words or half-word of data will be broken when you port it 2014-09-05T21:55:37 < GargantuaSauce> anything io related 2014-09-05T21:55:39 < karlp> huh, ti has got a cortex m based 802.15.4 part, but not a btle part? 2014-09-05T21:55:42 < zyp> only when said data comes from outside sources 2014-09-05T21:55:48 < GargantuaSauce> ya 2014-09-05T21:56:21 < zyp> karlp, probably isn't able to freqhop fast enough or something 2014-09-05T21:56:53 < zyp> otherwise it's pretty much just a lack of software 2014-09-05T21:57:22 < ossifrage> zigbee is really low datarate, but there are cortex-m3 zigbee parts 2014-09-05T21:57:33 < zyp> did you see the guy doing btle with nrfl01? 2014-09-05T21:57:40 < zyp> http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=11.%20Bluetooth%20LE%20fakery 2014-09-05T21:57:41 < GargantuaSauce> wait what 2014-09-05T21:58:18 < GargantuaSauce> wow that's cool 2014-09-05T21:58:40 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-109-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [] 2014-09-05T21:58:45 < zyp> only unsolicited advertisements really, but still :p 2014-09-05T21:59:14 < karlp> zyp: what do you mean about sw and freq hopping? I mean, they have socs for 802.15.4 with cortex-m for the cpu side, but not btle socs, still only 8051, not sure what you meant 2014-09-05T21:59:26 < ossifrage> zyp you would only need one freq to send advertisements 2014-09-05T21:59:37 < karlp> still, I hear they've got a m0+ part in the works, so maybe it's holding off on that, 2014-09-05T21:59:54 < karlp> also, oocd got support added for a ti part number with no public docs yet, so something's coming. 2014-09-05T21:59:57 < zyp> karlp, btle requires that the transceiver is able to be retuned fast 2014-09-05T22:00:14 < karlp> but that's the radio side, I only mean the 8051 vs cm3 part 2014-09-05T22:00:24 < zyp> yes, radio side 2014-09-05T22:00:45 < jpa-> zyp is talking about the difference of 802.15.4 and btle 2014-09-05T22:00:54 < jpa-> karlp is talking about why they are stuck with 8051 2014-09-05T22:01:26 < zyp> there's no reason the same chip couldn't do both, provided the radio does whatever both protocols need 2014-09-05T22:01:33 < ossifrage> I read something about a dual core cortex-m0 ble part, but I'm not sure who was doing it 2014-09-05T22:01:42 < ossifrage> the stack ones on one part and the user app on the other 2014-09-05T22:02:19 < zyp> I'm a bit tempted to write my own btle stack 2014-09-05T22:02:23 < ossifrage> ^ones^runs (weird typo) 2014-09-05T22:02:47 < GargantuaSauce> that might have been the dialog one, its datasheet mentions a 'dedicated link layer processor' 2014-09-05T22:02:49 < ossifrage> zyp, everything is implemented in software on the nrf51, so it would be doable 2014-09-05T22:02:58 < zyp> I know 2014-09-05T22:03:14 < zyp> like I said, I've used it :p 2014-09-05T22:03:59 < ossifrage> zyp, I don' t think I'd want to write my own ble stack, but writing a mesh protocol might be fun 2014-09-05T22:04:33 < ossifrage> but the 16kb of SRAM would hurt a bit 2014-09-05T22:04:40 < zyp> yeah 2014-09-05T22:05:11 < jpa-> like karlnet ;) 2014-09-05T22:07:24 < zyp> I was thinking about writing a point to point protocol capable of muxing fixed latency and reliable transport traffic 2014-09-05T22:07:40 < zyp> for stuff like quadrotor control + telemetry 2014-09-05T22:08:05 < zyp> I think that's what got me looking into rf socs in the first place 2014-09-05T22:08:27 < GargantuaSauce> huh i have exactly that in mind for the near future also 2014-09-05T22:08:35 < GargantuaSauce> we should jam about that sometime soon 2014-09-05T22:08:54 < karlp> jpa-: hah, 2014-09-05T22:09:11 < karlp> that was when I was young(er) and even more naieve ;) 2014-09-05T22:17:12 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2014-09-05T22:19:16 < qyx_> nah, i replaced 1206 10uF cap (X5R) with 10uF 0805 cap (X7R) and the smps ripple is much worse 2014-09-05T22:19:31 < qyx_> about 30mVpp 2014-09-05T22:19:35 < qyx_> it was like 5mVpp before 2014-09-05T22:19:52 < zyp> voltage derating 2014-09-05T22:20:01 < qyx_> yep 2014-09-05T22:20:17 < qyx_> 1206 one was 25V, 0805 is 10V 2014-09-05T22:20:30 < qyx_> voltage is 2.85V DC 2014-09-05T22:21:15 < qyx_> also, why is that thing switching at 1.2MHz, i though it is 2MHz switcher 2014-09-05T22:21:50 < jpa-> does it work in pwm more or pfm mode? 2014-09-05T22:22:32 < qyx_> pfm i suppose, ~20mA output 2014-09-05T22:22:52 < jpa-> well, that entails modulating the frequency :) 2014-09-05T22:23:08 < qyx_> makes sense 2014-09-05T22:23:30 < jpa-> i hate pfm switchers.. had some tiny tiny load, pfm switcher was running at like 300 Hz 2014-09-05T22:23:43 < qyx_> ok, going to replace the caps, rf module has like 5% bit error rate 2014-09-05T22:23:50 < qyx_> with this power supply 2014-09-05T22:24:06 < GargantuaSauce> pi filter? 2014-09-05T22:24:24 -!- PT_Dreamer [PT_Dreamer@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe6e:4287] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T22:24:53 < qyx_> may be option, but another board is working fine, there is space for two 1206 caps 2014-09-05T22:25:02 < qyx_> good reception even at -105dBm 2014-09-05T22:25:11 < qyx_> this one fails at -60 2014-09-05T22:35:52 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-05T22:36:46 < karlp> jpa-: you can get pfm+pwm mode too of course :) 2014-09-05T22:42:55 < Steffanx> hmm, how nice of fairchild, it gave me a big fat warning the part i was looking for was obsolete. 2014-09-05T22:48:19 < qyx_> ok, works great now, damned capacitors 2014-09-05T22:56:49 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T22:57:41 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T22:59:44 < varesa> What is the proper way to restart a timer based DMA transfer? I've tried disable, setCurDataCounter, enable but it does not seem to restart 2014-09-05T23:00:16 < varesa> btw thanks for the help/advise on my past few questions 2014-09-05T23:03:37 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-05T23:05:28 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T23:05:50 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-05T23:06:31 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-05T23:17:28 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-05T23:45:17 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-05T23:57:23 < tkoskine> My stm32f407 always sends 0xff character as first char when enabling usart. Is it a feature in stm32 or a bug in my code? 2014-09-05T23:58:38 < tkoskine> (Later characters are ok, and does not matter do I use dma or not.) 2014-09-05T23:59:12 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sat Sep 06 2014 2014-09-06T00:09:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-06T00:14:31 < tkoskine> Hah, it was my code. Setting GPIOB->AFR before other GPIO pin configuration registers solved the problem. 2014-09-06T00:19:15 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T00:20:39 -!- loans [~loans@192.210.138.14] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T00:21:23 < loans> i've got a pretty nooby question: I have need of using an st-link v2 programmer to dump a binary someone else wrote into a bunch of pre-assembled PCBs 2014-09-06T00:21:49 < loans> reading the documentation for the first result of 'linux stlink' brings me to texane's stlink repo on github 2014-09-06T00:22:13 < loans> er, something like that. that sentence got away from me 2014-09-06T00:22:14 < loans> anyway: 2014-09-06T00:22:21 < loans> # w ri t e bli n k . bin i n t o FLASH 2014-09-06T00:22:21 < loans> $> [ sudo ] . / s t−f l a s h w ri t e f a n c y b l i n k . bin 0 x08000000 2014-09-06T00:22:25 < loans> thanks PDFs 2014-09-06T00:22:30 < loans> my question is about that memory address 2014-09-06T00:22:37 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Out] 2014-09-06T00:22:42 < loans> if I'm writing an arbitrary binary, should I target that memory address? 2014-09-06T00:23:34 < aadamson> loans, yes, as that's the beginning of flash 2014-09-06T00:23:36 < aadamson> *but* 2014-09-06T00:24:07 < aadamson> you need to make sure that the structure of the program is correct, as it will expect an order to where things like irq tables, program start, etc are located 2014-09-06T00:25:02 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T00:25:32 < aadamson> if you used some known to work starting point, then you should be fine 2014-09-06T00:25:42 < loans> i have a binary file 2014-09-06T00:25:48 < loans> and the instructions to sort out how to program these things 2014-09-06T00:25:52 < loans> i only ever deal with AVRs 2014-09-06T00:27:11 < loans> at least i think i have a binary file 2014-09-06T00:27:12 < loans> where did that go 2014-09-06T00:28:03 < aadamson> it most likely won't be binary, elf ,or hex? 2014-09-06T00:28:18 < aadamson> *it could be binary*, but usually they are the other depending on what built it 2014-09-06T00:28:21 < loans> i have a .srec 2014-09-06T00:28:21 < loans> ? 2014-09-06T00:28:29 < aadamson> ok, that could work too 2014-09-06T00:28:37 < aadamson> did you build it or was it prebuilt 2014-09-06T00:28:56 < loans> it was emailed to me 2014-09-06T00:29:03 < loans> we're assembling some widgets for another company 2014-09-06T00:29:18 < aadamson> ok, well ARM's *arent* AVR (thank heavens) 2014-09-06T00:29:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-06T00:29:56 < aadamson> but bottom line, flash starts at that 0x08000000 address 2014-09-06T00:30:16 < loans> so a good starting point would be running st-flash and pointing it there? 2014-09-06T00:30:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.35] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T00:30:57 < loans> guess i should try building this stlink software 2014-09-06T00:35:10 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T00:36:32 < loans> hm 2014-09-06T00:38:58 < loans> aadamson: are you familiar with this tool? (texane/stlink) 2014-09-06T00:39:36 < loans> oh, nevermind 2014-09-06T00:40:08 < karlp> if you're just getting started, skip texane/stlink and just use openocd. 2014-09-06T00:40:34 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-173-194-37.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T00:40:35 < loans> karlp: does that allow me to utilize teh stlinkv2 to program microcontrollers? 2014-09-06T00:40:39 < loans> karlp: i'm not doing development 2014-09-06T00:40:46 < loans> i just need to dump code onto assembled boards 2014-09-06T00:41:02 < karlp> sure, and it's less flaky than texane 2014-09-06T00:41:24 < karlp> texane has simpler syntax for writing a binary to an address though :) 2014-09-06T00:41:27 < loans> ooh it's in the debian repos 2014-09-06T00:41:38 < loans> i'm sold 2014-09-06T00:41:48 < karlp> but http://openocd.sourceforge.net/doc/html/Flash-Programming.html should be enough 2014-09-06T00:42:01 < aadamson> loans, are you on an OS other than windows? 2014-09-06T00:42:01 < karlp> I'm doubtful that any repo version will be recent enough, but I could be mistaken... 2014-09-06T00:42:07 < loans> aadamson: linux 2014-09-06T00:42:11 < aadamson> ah ok 2014-09-06T00:42:20 < aadamson> there is a windows tool for stlinkv2, but only windows 2014-09-06T00:42:24 < loans> karlp: it's the latest version 2014-09-06T00:42:25 < aadamson> so yes, use openocd 2014-09-06T00:42:30 < loans> that's their first blog post 2014-09-06T00:42:32 < aadamson> there are prebuilt binaries around 2014-09-06T00:42:34 < loans> on the sourceforge page 2014-09-06T00:42:38 < aadamson> 0.8.0 I think is the latest 2014-09-06T00:42:43 < loans> http://openocd.sourceforge.net/ 2014-09-06T00:44:19 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/vLEZIZB.png 2014-09-06T00:46:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.35] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-06T00:50:22 < loans> so openocd is complaining about a config file 2014-09-06T00:56:26 < _Sync_> yeah 2014-09-06T00:58:36 < loans> and I can't find reference to openocd.cfg 2014-09-06T01:04:03 < loans> hm 2014-09-06T01:04:26 < loans> so am I going to have to sort out a board config file? 2014-09-06T01:04:52 < _Sync_> yes 2014-09-06T01:06:08 < loans> okay given that I don't know anything about the hardware on this PCB 2014-09-06T01:06:10 < loans> is that feasible? 2014-09-06T01:07:14 < _Sync_> yes 2014-09-06T01:08:03 < loans> are there resources that lay it out reasonably well for someone who doesn't know jack-shit about ARM and has a time limit because the owner of his company likes to make promises? 2014-09-06T01:09:28 < _Sync_> what kind of stm32 do you have on your target? 2014-09-06T01:10:46 < loans> oh damn these numbers are small - hold on let me go find a magnifier 2014-09-06T01:12:40 < loans> stm32f 051k4t6 gh21l 9u chn309 2014-09-06T01:14:53 < loans> does openocd actually support the stlink? 2014-09-06T01:15:32 < _Sync_> yes 2014-09-06T01:15:53 < ds2> really? as-is w/o changing the firmware? 2014-09-06T01:16:09 < loans> i see there's a config file for it 2014-09-06T01:16:22 < loans> i'm following this to try to build the missing openocd.cfg 2014-09-06T01:16:23 < loans> http://www.ethernut.de/en/hardware/eir/openocd_jtag.html 2014-09-06T01:17:07 < _Sync_> you should have a stm32f0discovery.cfg 2014-09-06T01:18:09 < loans> yes 2014-09-06T01:19:09 < _Sync_> then use it 2014-09-06T01:19:43 < loans> i'm not clear on how - i'm still trying to solve the openocd.cfg problem 2014-09-06T01:20:12 < _Sync_> you don't need that 2014-09-06T01:21:52 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-06T01:21:55 < loans> oh 2014-09-06T01:24:13 < loans> http://pastie.org/9530527 2014-09-06T01:25:00 < _Sync_> did you connect the reset pin? 2014-09-06T01:25:14 < loans> no idea. i have parts given to me by the company we're assembling the widget for 2014-09-06T01:25:36 < loans> i have the stlink v2, a little adapter board with the company's name on it that goes to a 6 pin header on the widget 2014-09-06T01:25:50 < loans> one of those pins is labelled reset 2014-09-06T01:26:00 < loans> the first time I run this command after plugging in the stlink two extra lines are in there 2014-09-06T01:26:03 < loans> Info : Target voltage: 0.000000 2014-09-06T01:26:05 < loans> Error: target voltage may be too low for reliable debugging 2014-09-06T01:26:33 < _Sync_> are you sure you plugged in the right way? 2014-09-06T01:27:11 < loans> not entirely... it's sorta not labelled. looking for a datasheet to confirm orientation here 2014-09-06T01:27:16 < loans> i can see the trace for the clock pin 2014-09-06T01:31:10 < loans> hrm 2014-09-06T01:32:25 < loans> on this qfp package 2014-09-06T01:32:30 < loans> what corner has the dot 2014-09-06T01:32:34 < loans> in relation to the drawing in the datasheet 2014-09-06T01:33:14 < loans> top left i guess? 2014-09-06T01:33:30 < loans> that makes sense 2014-09-06T01:34:22 < loans> okay crap it's time to leave. Thanks everyone for the help 2014-09-06T01:34:28 < loans> hopefully I can get this sorted on monday 2014-09-06T01:36:36 < hesperaux> ya'll fools up in ere being all loans and _Sync_ and Laurenceb and shit 2014-09-06T01:36:44 * hesperaux gives them the handshake 2014-09-06T01:36:59 < hesperaux> so many loans in here 2014-09-06T01:38:10 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T01:40:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-06T01:41:57 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls 2014-09-06T01:42:10 * Laurenceb_ is high 2014-09-06T01:42:58 < Simon--> which stage is that on http://i.imgur.com/vLEZIZB.png 2014-09-06T01:43:12 < Laurenceb_> 11:30 2014-09-06T01:43:17 < Laurenceb_> shit thats the time irl 2014-09-06T01:43:24 < Laurenceb_> no fucking way 2014-09-06T01:44:12 < hesperaux> lol 2014-09-06T01:47:57 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-06T02:11:16 < _Sync_> kek 2014-09-06T02:12:35 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T02:17:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T02:18:57 < upgrdman> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWnylXMrMII&t=25m35s 2014-09-06T02:31:45 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-06T02:39:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T03:01:52 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-06T03:05:08 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-173-194-37.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-06T03:12:30 < hesperaux> upgrdman, lol wtf is this shit 2014-09-06T03:12:34 < hesperaux> dave jones? 2014-09-06T03:12:36 * hesperaux watches 2014-09-06T03:12:48 < upgrdman> ya 2014-09-06T03:12:54 < hesperaux> holy shit that ECG is ridiculous 2014-09-06T03:12:59 < hesperaux> what a massive massive thing 2014-09-06T03:13:10 < hesperaux> interesting idea using the watch bracelets. I used grounding bracelets 2014-09-06T03:13:38 < hesperaux> i designed a little mobile ecg thing for senior design 2014-09-06T03:13:43 < hesperaux> it was cool 2014-09-06T03:13:58 < upgrdman> pix? 2014-09-06T03:14:22 < hesperaux> i can show you some app screenshots 2014-09-06T03:16:34 < hesperaux> https://www.dropbox.com/s/94y9214i3gaihkk/Screenshot_2013-11-24-22-15-26.png?dl=0 2014-09-06T03:16:37 < hesperaux> that's my ecg 2014-09-06T03:16:41 < hesperaux> it has no filtering whatsoever 2014-09-06T03:16:59 < hesperaux> actually that's pretty good for having no filtering 2014-09-06T03:17:00 < upgrdman> lolwut http://www.jrn.com/ktnv/now-trending/Man-stabs-roommate-who-was-apparently-too-loud-during-threesome-273961431.html 2014-09-06T03:17:08 < hesperaux> lolol 2014-09-06T03:17:14 < upgrdman> hesperaux: nice app 2014-09-06T03:17:20 < hesperaux> thanks 2014-09-06T03:17:35 < hesperaux> going to redo it all and see if i can make some money 2014-09-06T03:17:36 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T03:17:38 < hesperaux> patents are a nightmare 2014-09-06T03:18:36 < hesperaux> i was using a microchip PIC32MX 2014-09-06T03:18:40 < hesperaux> switched it to an stm32f100 2014-09-06T03:19:01 < hesperaux> i won all the awards at school :D first person ever to do that. \o/ 2014-09-06T03:19:06 < hesperaux> my life's achievement haha 2014-09-06T03:19:59 < upgrdman> yay for you :) 2014-09-06T03:20:04 < hesperaux> heh 2014-09-06T03:23:42 < hesperaux> dave's videos are fun 2014-09-06T03:30:17 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 2014-09-06T03:30:35 < upgrdman> i want more TSPB videos. so much better than dave. 2014-09-06T03:30:46 < hesperaux> TSPB? 2014-09-06T03:33:31 < upgrdman> the signal path blog 2014-09-06T03:33:32 < upgrdman> on youtube 2014-09-06T03:33:54 < upgrdman> perhaps the best youtube channel about electronics 2014-09-06T03:33:56 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2014-09-06T03:33:59 < hesperaux> hmm 2014-09-06T03:34:03 < hesperaux> surprised i've never seen it 2014-09-06T03:34:09 < hesperaux> i'll check it out after this vid 2014-09-06T03:34:18 < hesperaux> this ECG thing is relevant to my interests 2014-09-06T03:35:10 < ds2> getting an ARM over your MIPS? :D 2014-09-06T03:35:16 < hesperaux> hehehe 2014-09-06T03:35:18 < hesperaux> :P 2014-09-06T03:35:20 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T03:43:29 < hesperaux> lol he just jumps up and down 2014-09-06T04:02:57 < jadew> upgrdman, no video of the threesome? 2014-09-06T04:10:46 < upgrdman> didnt look for it. 2014-09-06T04:11:06 < upgrdman> on another note, my analog discovery arrived! soo happy! 2014-09-06T04:11:42 < upgrdman> shit works really well. only quirk so far is those cocksuckers have the micro usb connector upside down 2014-09-06T04:11:51 < hesperaux> yeah i have one 2014-09-06T04:12:00 < hesperaux> upgrdman, be really careful with that microusb 2014-09-06T04:12:02 < hesperaux> i mean baby it 2014-09-06T04:12:06 < hesperaux> it will shear off the PCB 2014-09-06T04:12:06 < upgrdman> ya 2014-09-06T04:12:18 < upgrdman> did yours take traces? 2014-09-06T04:12:20 < hesperaux> they were reallllly nice to me and sent me a brand new one for free almost a year into owning it 2014-09-06T04:12:28 < hesperaux> it was impossible to repair 2014-09-06T04:12:33 < upgrdman> :/ 2014-09-06T04:12:37 < hesperaux> yeah it took the traces right with it 2014-09-06T04:12:51 < hesperaux> other than that microusb, that device is extremely useful 2014-09-06T04:13:21 < upgrdman> i wonder if i should open mine up and goop over the micro usb connector to give it a bit more support 2014-09-06T04:19:21 < upgrdman> hmmm some guy's teardown pix indicate factory goo 2014-09-06T04:19:38 < upgrdman> do you recall if you board's connector was goo'd? 2014-09-06T04:20:37 < hesperaux> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU 2014-09-06T04:20:45 < hesperaux> [3591940.279313] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 2807026759 2014-09-06T04:20:45 < hesperaux> [3591940.287356] SPLError: 11106:0:(spl-err.c:67:vcmn_err()) WARNING: Pool 'zfspool' has encountered an uncorrectable I/O failure and has been suspended. 2014-09-06T04:20:53 < hesperaux> i just wanted my friday 2014-09-06T04:20:56 < hesperaux> wtf drive 2014-09-06T04:21:13 < zyp> you're running a pool without redundancy? 2014-09-06T04:21:15 < hesperaux> upgrdman, mine was not "goo'd" 2014-09-06T04:21:19 < hesperaux> zyp, technically no 2014-09-06T04:21:23 < zyp> but? 2014-09-06T04:21:29 < hesperaux> zyp, there is a regular backup drive, and the pool is on a hardware raid5 2014-09-06T04:21:39 < hesperaux> however the raid5 enclosure thinks the drives are fine 2014-09-06T04:21:43 < hesperaux> pretty awesome bro 2014-09-06T04:21:45 < zyp> ah 2014-09-06T04:21:48 < zyp> heh 2014-09-06T04:21:50 < hesperaux> -_-' 2014-09-06T04:21:58 < hesperaux> one of the three members recently died in mdadm config 2014-09-06T04:22:10 < hesperaux> so i redid the array in an external hardware raid box. it's a metal case embedded thing 2014-09-06T04:22:14 < hesperaux> it is really nice, except now i'm not so sure 2014-09-06T04:22:16 < zyp> zfs on top of hardware raid5 sounds pretty dumb to be honest 2014-09-06T04:22:25 < hesperaux> one of the other two from the original array might have epic failed 2014-09-06T04:22:28 < dongs> zfs on top of anything sounds dumb 2014-09-06T04:22:39 < hesperaux> zyp, i know what you mean. i was just playing with zfs. never used it before and wanted to see how it was 2014-09-06T04:22:45 < hesperaux> like i said, i do have a backup and stuff 2014-09-06T04:22:52 < hesperaux> still, this sucks 2014-09-06T04:23:18 < zyp> dongs, yeah, better just give it direct access to the drives 2014-09-06T04:23:19 < hesperaux> i think i know why it failed 2014-09-06T04:23:23 < hesperaux> [3591940.279313] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 2807026759 2014-09-06T04:23:23 < hesperaux> [3591940.287356] SPLError: 11106:0:(spl-err.c:67:vcmn_err()) WARNING: Pool 'zfspool' has encountered an uncorrectable I/O failure and has been suspended. 2014-09-06T04:23:23 < hesperaux> [3591940.287359] 2014-09-06T04:23:23 < hesperaux> [3591941.704034] usb 1-2: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd 2014-09-06T04:23:23 < hesperaux> [3591941.837244] usb 1-2: New USB device found, idVendor=152d, idProduct=2551 2014-09-06T04:23:25 < hesperaux> [3591941.837249] usb 1-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5 2014-09-06T04:23:29 < hesperaux> [3591941.837252] usb 1-2: Product: USB to ATA/ATAPI Bridge 2014-09-06T04:23:30 < zyp> dongs, but I'm sure that's not what you meant :p 2014-09-06T04:23:31 < hesperaux> [3591941.837254] usb 1-2: Manufacturer: JMicron 2014-09-06T04:23:33 < hesperaux> [3591941.837256] usb 1-2: SerialNumber: F31D6B6FFFFF 2014-09-06T04:23:35 < hesperaux> [3591941.838044] scsi4 : usb-storage 1-2:1.0 2014-09-06T04:23:37 < hesperaux> [3591942.836793] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access CineRAID H/W RAID5 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 2014-09-06T04:23:39 < hesperaux> [3591942.837679] sd 4:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 2014-09-06T04:23:41 < hesperaux> [3591942.838273] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdd] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). 2014-09-06T04:23:43 < hesperaux> [3591942.838636] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdd] 7813857280 512-byte logical blocks: (4.00 TB/3.63 TiB) 2014-09-06T04:23:45 < hesperaux> sorry for the paste, but the channel's quiet 2014-09-06T04:23:47 < hesperaux> i'm using it with usb 2.0 :P 2014-09-06T04:23:49 < hesperaux> cuz i still haevn't installed the 3.0 card in the server 2014-09-06T04:23:51 < hesperaux> probably it hates me for that 2014-09-06T04:23:54 < zyp> ugh :p 2014-09-06T04:23:58 < hesperaux> zfs is actually really beef 2014-09-06T04:24:02 < zyp> yeah 2014-09-06T04:24:07 < hesperaux> your data is safe with it 2014-09-06T04:24:11 < hesperaux> like this for example 2014-09-06T04:24:15 < zyp> I'm running a pool with raidz3 here myself 2014-09-06T04:24:21 < hesperaux> raid underneath or not, it shut down I/O when it saw there was an issue :D 2014-09-06T04:24:23 < hesperaux> which is good 2014-09-06T04:24:31 < hesperaux> i wouldn't have even known if my dad didn't complain that the shares were not accessible 2014-09-06T04:24:42 < hesperaux> zyp, how do you like its raid ness? 2014-09-06T04:25:11 < zyp> it's nice, way easier than dicking around with a separate raid layer 2014-09-06T04:25:17 < hesperaux> ever used mdadm? 2014-09-06T04:25:34 < zyp> and better too, since it's able to know which redundant copy is correct when they diverge 2014-09-06T04:25:53 < zyp> no, but I had a fibre channel enclosure with hardware raid5 before :p 2014-09-06T04:25:57 < hesperaux> i used to use only mdadm - now for my own systems, I use an LSI 8888ELP raid card with 16-bay sas array 2014-09-06T04:26:10 < hesperaux> mdadm was good for software raid. it was easy to manage 2014-09-06T04:26:24 < hesperaux> i would expect zfs to be even nicer. it's the right idea to have the filesystem and block layer combined 2014-09-06T04:26:35 < zyp> yeah 2014-09-06T04:26:48 < hesperaux> my LSI can't do JBOD apparently, so I'm just going to stick to the hardware raid. It has a BBU for the ram and everything, so it's pretty good 2014-09-06T04:26:52 < zyp> it's like mdraid and lvm combined with a filesystem 2014-09-06T04:26:58 < hesperaux> yes exactly 2014-09-06T04:27:03 < hesperaux> i never bothered with LVM cuz it's a pain to me 2014-09-06T04:27:09 < hesperaux> and then if you add LUKS on that, what a mess 2014-09-06T04:27:15 < zyp> it's nice if you want block devices 2014-09-06T04:27:16 < hesperaux> my laptop is that way, but only cuz the debian installer made that easy 2014-09-06T04:27:19 < zyp> like for VMs and shit 2014-09-06T04:27:28 < hesperaux> that's what i do actually 2014-09-06T04:27:36 < hesperaux> i have like 12 VMs on two 8 core machines 2014-09-06T04:28:10 < hesperaux> i don't think my raid is corrupt - the enclosure is probably correct about that 2014-09-06T04:28:17 < hesperaux> the data might be corrupted, but it's not a drive failure... 2014-09-06T04:28:31 < hesperaux> i think it's just usb 2.0 is raging. I have the backup drive on the same host xD 2014-09-06T04:28:41 < hesperaux> i didn't intend to leave it on 2.0 this long....but you know... 2014-09-06T04:29:10 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/XZIPa 2014-09-06T04:29:38 < hesperaux> upgrdman, one more thing. If you use the software hardcore, you might get into a place where it continually crashes after clicking certain signals in the UI. If that happens, wipe your config and/or reinstall the software and it'll come back. I took the time to set up colors and everything in the config, and then had to scrap it cuz of crashes. 2014-09-06T04:29:47 < hesperaux> oh zyp 2014-09-06T04:30:05 < hesperaux> do you know if raidz3 does patrol reads? i see that it reports a scan there 2014-09-06T04:30:10 < upgrdman> k 2014-09-06T04:30:33 < zyp> hesperaux, it's a generic zfs feature 2014-09-06T04:30:35 < upgrdman> oh, also their power LED thats only visible from the vent holes in the back. lol but no biggy. 2014-09-06T04:30:41 < hesperaux> upgrdman, one of the coolest features of this thing is that you can record waveforms, or generate them from a CSV file. So I was outputting ECG data using this thing 2014-09-06T04:30:44 < zyp> I do a zpool scrub periodically 2014-09-06T04:30:53 < upgrdman> nice 2014-09-06T04:31:00 < hesperaux> zyp, can it be set up to handle those itself, automatically? Or do you just cron that 2014-09-06T04:31:17 < zyp> you'd cron that 2014-09-06T04:31:23 < hesperaux> upgrdman, i was kinda happy the LED was obscured. It was a refreshing change from all the BLINDING BLUE LIGHTS OF TECHNOLOGY these days 2014-09-06T04:31:33 < hesperaux> brb, need to explain to my dad that this will be down for a bit 2014-09-06T04:31:35 < zyp> I'm too lazy to edit the crontable so I just do it manually when I'm bored :p 2014-09-06T04:35:41 < upgrdman> anyone know of a cheap/cheapish source of multi-color wire (like the "dupont wire" stuff on ebay) but long? like at least a meter. maybe a spool? i only need 4 - 6 conductors, not some 40 wire monstrosity 2014-09-06T04:36:53 < hesperaux> lol, i have a bunch of those 40 wire ones 2014-09-06T04:36:59 < hesperaux> i haven't seen long versions 2014-09-06T04:37:08 < hesperaux> a meter huh? 2014-09-06T04:37:18 < hesperaux> what kinda signal? cuz i'd think about using cat5 2014-09-06T04:39:01 < hesperaux> 20:37:41 up 41 days, 22:58, 1 user, load average: 74.32, 74.46, 74.54 2014-09-06T04:39:02 < hesperaux> wow 2014-09-06T04:39:02 < upgrdman> well i dont want to run signals down a meter of it, but i would like to cut-to-length... so a long length would make that easy :) atm i just want 30-40cm for some breakout boards 2014-09-06T04:39:28 < upgrdman> and all i see is 20cm 40-wire ones 2014-09-06T04:39:39 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-06T04:53:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-06T04:57:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T05:09:46 < jadew> hey guys, any idea on how to detect when the SPI is done transmitting? 2014-09-06T05:10:11 < dongs> DMA_TC?????????? 2014-09-06T05:10:34 < jadew> dongs, I'll have to check it out, but I have a feeling that won't do it either 2014-09-06T05:10:47 < dongs> how do you fgure 2014-09-06T05:10:51 < jadew> apparently the BSY flag is not reporting properly 2014-09-06T05:11:17 < jadew> well, I'm waiting for BSY to be off and then I set the CS line high (manually): http://dumb.ro/files/spi_bsy.png 2014-09-06T05:11:20 < jadew> here's the result 2014-09-06T05:12:16 < jadew> this is another case where I can't figure out how to tell if the damn peripheral has finished its job or not 2014-09-06T05:15:56 < jadew> the transmission is not done immediately after the sampling edge, the transmission is done after the last clock is done, regardless of sampling edge and that's when the peripheral is done being busy 2014-09-06T05:16:10 < jadew> so I'm either missing something or this is yet another broken peripheral 2014-09-06T05:59:04 < hesperaux> zyp, i just realized how huge your raid is lol 2014-09-06T06:07:21 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-06T06:08:36 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T06:08:53 < Geleia> I'm getting "undefined reference to `USART_Init'" even though it's referenced in the std peripheral libs 2014-09-06T06:08:57 < Geleia> any idea? :< 2014-09-06T06:10:02 < aadamson> and you included the header file with its definition in your source? 2014-09-06T06:10:17 < Geleia> yep, it still gives the problem 2014-09-06T06:10:27 < aadamson> are you linking it's object code? 2014-09-06T06:10:35 < aadamson> time to look at the map file me thinks 2014-09-06T06:10:38 < aadamson> to verify 2014-09-06T06:10:39 < Geleia> that's where I got lost 2014-09-06T06:10:59 < Geleia> how should I do it, if it's not done? 2014-09-06T06:11:16 < aadamson> the linker will generate a map file if you send it the right switches 2014-09-06T06:11:22 < aadamson> you'll have to figure those out 2014-09-06T06:11:33 < aadamson> or look at other makefiles if that's what you are using 2014-09-06T06:11:45 < aadamson> if an ide, look for an option in and around it's linker options 2014-09-06T06:11:54 < Geleia> actually, I'm using the gnu arm eclipse plugin 2014-09-06T06:12:36 < aadamson> ok, it usually includes the map file in it's default config 2014-09-06T06:12:46 < aadamson> look in the debug or release directory depending on which you are building 2014-09-06T06:13:17 < aadamson> I forget if it's a .lst or a .map or both that you need to look through 2014-09-06T06:14:24 < Geleia> it's a map, I think 2014-09-06T06:14:37 < Geleia> I should check if it's including the usart.o? 2014-09-06T06:18:33 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-06T06:33:54 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T06:34:58 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T06:42:02 < dongs> sup bloggers 2014-09-06T06:54:52 -!- LZZ [~LZZ@191.255.13.165] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T06:56:43 < LZZ> Hello, I am with Geleia here. A lot of files instdperiph are grayed out and I think that's the problem, but... I don't know how to add them. 2014-09-06T06:56:49 < LZZ> http://yakumo.lzzbr.com/temp/gray.png 2014-09-06T06:57:55 < LZZ> The files exists in the path, I don't understand why they are gray. 2014-09-06T07:00:49 < dongs> looks like they're not build built 2014-09-06T07:01:24 < LZZ> I right-clicked those files and asked to build them. Got no error. 2014-09-06T07:01:36 < dongs> obviosuly. 2014-09-06T07:01:44 < dongs> but they need to be part of hte build. 2014-09-06T07:01:47 < LZZ> yeah 2014-09-06T07:01:52 < dongs> so make them so 2014-09-06T07:02:52 < LZZ> Yeah, I want to know how to do it... 2014-09-06T07:03:08 < LZZ> if you can point me to any documentation about that ill be happy to read. 2014-09-06T07:03:11 < dongs> i dont use eclipse, but I would imagine something like right click, properties, include in build or so 2014-09-06T07:03:23 < LZZ> hum 2014-09-06T07:03:51 < LZZ> man 2014-09-06T07:04:03 < LZZ> I am really feeling like an idiot now 2014-09-06T07:04:08 < dongs> was it there? 2014-09-06T07:04:11 < LZZ> What you have done to me? 2014-09-06T07:04:38 < LZZ> Yeah, there was a checkbox "Exclude from project" marked. 2014-09-06T07:04:42 < dongs> cool. 2014-09-06T07:05:21 < LZZ> Thank you, I'm going to jump from the window really fast, brb. 2014-09-06T07:05:31 < dongs> shoulda stayed with subbing anniemay 2014-09-06T07:05:39 < LZZ> wat? 2014-09-06T07:05:46 < dongs> instead of doing electronics!!1 2014-09-06T07:06:20 < dongs> isnt lzzbr some anniemay site 2014-09-06T07:06:43 < LZZ> Acctually, I work with computers, android phones, web 2014-09-06T07:06:50 < dongs> oh 2014-09-06T07:06:55 < LZZ> but microcontrollers are new to me 2014-09-06T07:06:59 < LZZ> but this is o excuse 2014-09-06T07:07:05 < LZZ> no excuse* 2014-09-06T07:11:00 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-06T07:11:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T07:14:51 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-41-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T07:39:12 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nneeszvollgrmril] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T08:10:50 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T08:13:45 -!- upgrdman 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Laurenceb_> ok... can you make elmer work? 2014-09-06T14:43:53 < zyp> I don't have any idea what it is 2014-09-06T14:44:00 < BrainDamage> it's FEM simulator 2014-09-06T14:44:08 < BrainDamage> and it's a nightmare 2014-09-06T14:44:54 < BrainDamage> you need a 3d editor, a 3d volume to mesh grid discretization program like gmsh, then you feed to elmer, then you take the output it spits and feed to a postprocessing program like paraview 2014-09-06T14:45:18 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2014-09-06T14:45:24 < Laurenceb_> ive got all the tools talking 2014-09-06T14:45:33 < Laurenceb_> but elmer is numerically unstable 2014-09-06T14:45:45 < BrainDamage> what eq are you using? 2014-09-06T14:45:50 < Laurenceb_> not sure if my mesh is too coarse or if config is wrong 2014-09-06T14:45:58 < Laurenceb_> heat equation and navier-stokes 2014-09-06T14:46:04 < _Sync_> I tried cu2 to do some cfd but generating the mesh for it is such an asshole 2014-09-06T14:46:07 < Laurenceb_> ill filebin my project, just a sec 2014-09-06T14:46:14 < Laurenceb_> interesting 2014-09-06T14:46:43 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: lol, i've tried to get elmer to work many times also 2014-09-06T14:46:49 < jpa-> never figured it out 2014-09-06T14:46:51 < Laurenceb_> heh 2014-09-06T14:47:01 < Laurenceb_> looks like i've got further than you :P 2014-09-06T14:47:07 < Steffanx> sounds like what this one guy would call: open sores. 2014-09-06T14:47:22 < jpa-> i've also tried brlcad once 2014-09-06T14:47:23 < BrainDamage> elmer is one of the worst cases of open sores 2014-09-06T14:47:26 < jpa-> didn't figure it out either 2014-09-06T14:47:41 < BrainDamage> they split everything in sep apps poorly interacting with eachother 2014-09-06T14:47:45 < _Sync_> I just gave up and used ansys 2014-09-06T14:48:05 < BrainDamage> think of kikecad, but with every program not maintained by the same project 2014-09-06T14:48:22 < zyp> so GEDA? 2014-09-06T14:48:30 < BrainDamage> more or less 2014-09-06T14:48:34 < jpa-> i don't think that is the only problem elmer has :) 2014-09-06T14:48:47 < BrainDamage> well, aside from the configuration nightmare 2014-09-06T14:48:52 < BrainDamage> and the obvious bugs 2014-09-06T14:50:02 < BrainDamage> I wanted to try http://www.salome-platform.org/downloads/current-version which is an interface for several FEM inc openfoam, etc, but I couldn't find instructions to build and the static one is useless for me due to lib mistmatch 2014-09-06T14:50:55 < Laurenceb_> rage 2014-09-06T14:50:57 < Laurenceb_> filebin.ca failing 2014-09-06T14:51:02 < Laurenceb_> failbin 2014-09-06T14:51:06 < jpa-> having the 3d editor as separate tool is fine IMO 2014-09-06T14:51:11 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2014-09-06T14:51:21 < Laurenceb_> i dont eactually have an issue with that part 2014-09-06T14:51:30 < Laurenceb_> its setting up the simulation where its failing 2014-09-06T14:55:59 < Laurenceb_> http://filebin.net/mnwh0dki37 2014-09-06T14:57:18 < Laurenceb_> its an alu heatsink and some air 2014-09-06T14:59:17 < GargantuaSauce> i love instability in numerical simulations 2014-09-06T14:59:20 < GargantuaSauce> it is so entertaining 2014-09-06T15:00:28 < Laurenceb_> heh 2014-09-06T15:02:49 < Laurenceb_> im wondering if i need to remesh it with a finer mesh 2014-09-06T15:03:06 < Laurenceb_> but i dont know how to do that :-/ I'm working with stl files 2014-09-06T15:04:36 < jpa-> load in blender, add subdivide modifier, apply it, export back to stl 2014-09-06T15:05:08 < jpa-> not sure what gmsh that BrainDamage mentioned would do 2014-09-06T15:05:23 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2014-09-06T15:05:35 < Laurenceb_> yeah i used gmsh to import into that elmer project 2014-09-06T15:05:50 < Laurenceb_> theres a mesh generator in elmer, but it just seems to copy the stl 2014-09-06T15:05:57 < Laurenceb_> i cant find a way to subdivide 2014-09-06T15:06:11 < Laurenceb_> looking at the size of the mesh, maybe its too large for stability 2014-09-06T15:07:31 < BrainDamage> refine by splitting in gmsh 2014-09-06T15:08:05 < BrainDamage> iirc elmer's mesh generator requires tetgen to handle stl files 2014-09-06T15:09:36 < BrainDamage> also, there's a forum for the program: http://www.elmerfem.org/forum/index.php 2014-09-06T15:10:48 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2014-09-06T15:11:28 < Laurenceb_> wonderful 2014-09-06T15:11:38 < Laurenceb_> now gmsh wont open the mesh files 2014-09-06T15:13:05 < Laurenceb_> oh it was made with netgen 2014-09-06T15:17:11 < Laurenceb_> this is the problem with grabbing pre made meshes off forums 2014-09-06T15:17:23 < Laurenceb_> looks like i shoud use tetgen to fix meshes 2014-09-06T15:27:37 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2014-09-06T15:27:54 < Laurenceb_> going to email the EM sim guys at uni, they deal with all this crazyness 2014-09-06T15:31:44 < Laurenceb_> elmer needs a debug tool - to suggest whats wrong if its unstable 2014-09-06T15:38:13 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-06T15:39:20 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] 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2014-09-06T16:07:17 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-240-106.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T16:10:09 < Laurenceb_> its for a work project - trying to design a passive heatsink for something 2014-09-06T16:10:12 < Laurenceb_> but... 2014-09-06T16:10:13 < Laurenceb_> http://www.boston.co.uk/products/e2u-kpkcs-01-gp.aspx 2014-09-06T16:10:19 < Laurenceb_> ^theres no contest to that 2014-09-06T16:12:14 < dongs> sup innovators 2014-09-06T16:12:19 < dongs> fuck korea 2014-09-06T16:12:20 < Laurenceb_> 155W if it can really handle a Xeon 2014-09-06T16:12:21 < Laurenceb_> lolz 2014-09-06T16:12:33 < dongs> lol passive cooler 2014-09-06T16:12:36 < dongs> for amd 2014-09-06T16:13:04 < zyp> «passive» 2014-09-06T16:13:14 < zyp> it's for a rack server that'll have a ton of airflow anyway 2014-09-06T16:13:20 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2014-09-06T16:13:30 < Laurenceb_> only needs to handle 80W for the chicken disco 2014-09-06T16:13:37 < Laurenceb_> it needs to be tried 2014-09-06T16:14:31 < Laurenceb_> the LEDs can run at 80C or so 2014-09-06T16:14:39 < Laurenceb_> zigbee is on another board 2014-09-06T16:15:34 < Laurenceb_> http://www.agrilamp.com/ <- these guys are making a disco for chickens 2014-09-06T16:16:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-06T16:16:41 < Laurenceb_> water cooling would be the best way 2014-09-06T16:16:56 < Laurenceb_> but they dont like having to install that in the sheds 2014-09-06T16:20:13 < GargantuaSauce> eutectic NaK please 2014-09-06T16:21:05 < Laurenceb_> heh 2014-09-06T16:21:34 < Laurenceb_> theres audio modules as well aiui 2014-09-06T16:21:58 < Laurenceb_> "acousto-optical avian stimulation system" 2014-09-06T16:28:01 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-06T16:28:18 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T16:30:10 -!- Abhishek_ 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Any hints what to put instead? http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/CE8509AM-SOT23-typing-1F9/426260_1089357283.html 2014-09-06T16:50:13 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-06T16:51:24 < dongs> what 2014-09-06T16:51:26 < dongs> wtf is that? 2014-09-06T16:51:45 < ABLomas> i guess, switching regulator 2014-09-06T16:51:54 < ABLomas> i found this site by picture 2014-09-06T16:51:55 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T16:51:59 < dongs> http://cn.made-in-china.com/gongying/fanxiaoquan-tMRJGfawJkWZ.html 2014-09-06T16:52:07 < ABLomas> because my fried part has marking "1F9" on it 2014-09-06T16:52:52 < ABLomas> and yes, aliexpress sells such parts, but this means month or so until delivery... Would be cool to find something similar - maybe available around 2014-09-06T16:52:55 < dongs> god damn 2014-09-06T16:52:58 < dongs> absolutely horrible pinout 2014-09-06T16:53:03 < dongs> no, nothing I know is compatible with that 2014-09-06T16:53:16 < dongs> its like they made the worst pinout psosible 2014-09-06T16:53:26 < ABLomas> where you found pinout??? 2014-09-06T16:54:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ddUYWMm.png 2014-09-06T16:54:29 < ABLomas> o, cool 2014-09-06T16:54:31 < ABLomas> thanks 2014-09-06T16:54:41 < ABLomas> will measure, because i found only GND so far :E 2014-09-06T16:54:48 < dongs> the LX one should be obivous 2014-09-06T16:54:52 < ABLomas> maybe something else is dead in chain too, so pointless to repari 2014-09-06T16:54:52 < dongs> should directly go to coil 2014-09-06T16:55:08 < ABLomas> but hmmm 2014-09-06T16:57:37 < dongs> holy shit 2014-09-06T16:57:42 < dongs> CHIPOWER like DOESNT EXIST ON GOOGLE 2014-09-06T16:58:01 < dongs> oh there it is 2014-09-06T16:58:21 < ABLomas> oh fuck 2014-09-06T16:58:26 < ABLomas> was going to measure voltage 2014-09-06T16:58:26 < dongs> http://www.chipower.com.cn/cn/uploadphotos/CE8506(09)-2011.jpg 2014-09-06T16:58:35 < ABLomas> and broke that connection to LCD 2014-09-06T16:58:38 < ABLomas> flexible shit 2014-09-06T16:58:51 < ABLomas> ok, forget then, 120$ down now 2014-09-06T17:07:38 < Laurenceb_> Please be assured to buy \\ r \\ n \\ r \ 2014-09-06T17:07:45 < Laurenceb_> lolld 2014-09-06T17:11:31 < dongs> wat 2014-09-06T17:17:39 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-06T17:17:57 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T17:21:38 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06T17:25:03 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T17:26:39 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-06T17:29:53 < dongs> http://mountain-game.com/ 2014-09-06T17:34:38 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-06T17:40:38 -!- Amkei_ [~Amkei@dslb-188-103-228-007.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T17:42:52 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06T17:48:23 -!- DanteA [~X@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T17:50:11 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T17:57:15 -!- Amkei__ [~Amkei@dslb-178-008-115-222.178.008.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T17:58:02 -!- Amkei_ [~Amkei@dslb-188-103-228-007.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06T17:59:52 -!- DanteA [~X@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-06T18:24:41 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 2014-09-06T18:26:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T18:27:55 -!- DanteA [~X@host-19-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T18:32:23 -!- DanteA [~X@host-19-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-06T18:35:10 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-06T18:35:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T18:36:02 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T18:38:01 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-06T18:43:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-06T18:44:52 -!- rewolff1 [~wolff@cust-95-128-94-82.breedbanddelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-06T18:50:07 < fbs> wat its dongs 2014-09-06T18:50:56 < Fleck> suggest a algo. for triangle filling 2014-09-06T18:51:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T18:53:09 < emeb_mac> average the three vertices to find the start point, then do a standard recursive pixel search to fill. 2014-09-06T18:53:11 < Steffanx> soon available for uGFX? 2014-09-06T18:53:48 < Steffanx> oh oops, i thought Fleck was refering to that mountain as triangle filling. 2014-09-06T18:57:02 < Fleck> Steffanx: ? :D 2014-09-06T18:59:31 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T18:59:58 -!- xata [~xata@142-138.trifle.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T19:02:34 -!- DanteA [~X@host-19-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T19:04:06 -!- xata [~xata@142-138.trifle.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-06T19:11:20 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@176.10.107.230] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T19:22:27 < jpa-> huh.. crazy how effective fuzz testing is at finding bugs.. and also very scary, considering that it can hardly find all of them 2014-09-06T19:23:09 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-06T19:38:44 < qyx_> yep 2014-09-06T19:39:56 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-06T19:55:29 < varesa> What is the proper way to restart a timer based DMA transfer? I've tried disable, setCurDataCounter, enable but it does not seem to restart 2014-09-06T19:57:33 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T20:13:24 -!- xata [c3b6c2d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.182.194.212] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T20:13:30 < xata> Hello 2014-09-06T20:14:04 < xata> Where do i read in datasheet what is the default clock for APB1? Just can't find it. 2014-09-06T20:15:08 < qyx_> in reference manual 2014-09-06T20:16:34 < qyx_> reset and clock control section 2014-09-06T20:21:18 < xata> qyx_: thanks, but there is no default values mentioned 2014-09-06T20:21:50 < xata> maybe i have to look somwhere outside registry descriptions, just somwhere in text? 2014-09-06T20:22:05 < qyx_> there is a RCC register part with reset values 2014-09-06T20:22:55 < qyx_> you can see how does the configuration looks like just after reset 2014-09-06T20:23:08 < varesa> Shouldn't DMA_FLAG_TCIF6 get set after Channel 6 transfer is completed? 2014-09-06T20:23:23 < qyx_> maybe there is also some other place where it is summarized 2014-09-06T20:24:19 < xata> qyx_: 84mhz for f407? 2014-09-06T20:24:35 < varesa> I can see the values getting transferred, but my program is getting stuck at `while(!DMA_GetFlagStatus(DMA1_Stream2, DMA_FLAG_TCIF6));` 2014-09-06T20:24:51 < xata> Found it in internet. 2014-09-06T20:31:03 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-06T20:31:16 -!- Smd__ [~Smd_@86.125.228.95] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T20:31:50 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T20:32:22 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.39.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-06T20:34:00 -!- Smd__ [~Smd_@86.125.228.95] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-06T20:34:17 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@86.125.228.95] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T20:42:38 < xata> varesa: try while(!DMA1->HISR|0x200000) 2014-09-06T20:48:02 < varesa> xata: the same result. DMA1->HISR never becomes non-zero 2014-09-06T20:48:34 < xata> varesa: rcc connected? 2014-09-06T20:49:04 < xata> that APBx/AHBx stuff? 2014-09-06T20:49:30 < xata> varesa: you made dma on? 2014-09-06T20:50:21 < varesa> DMA and TIM are ENABLE and the data gets sent 2014-09-06T20:51:38 < varesa> xata: with that RCC you mean the RCC_..._PeriphClockCmd(..., ENABLE)? 2014-09-06T20:52:35 < xata> yup 2014-09-06T20:52:39 < xata> varesa: TCIE? 2014-09-06T20:52:49 < xata> had you enable the interrupt? 2014-09-06T20:53:38 < varesa> I don't think so 2014-09-06T20:54:00 < varesa> Since it is a "flag" I didn't realize I have to enable an interrupt 2014-09-06T20:54:25 < xata> well all interrupts need to be enabled 2014-09-06T20:56:05 < varesa> I see that now, I just didn't realize it was an interrupt instead of something like an allways-on status-register 2014-09-06T20:56:32 < xata> I think you can even make a handler for that int 2014-09-06T20:57:10 < xata> or not. i used to code stm32 too long ago, and now i try to recreate the knowledge 2014-09-06T20:57:46 < varesa> I added "DMA_ITConfig(DMA1_Stream2, DMA_IT_TCIF6, ENABLE);" but it still doesn't seem to get set 2014-09-06T21:00:41 < varesa> Also in 'while(!DMA1->HISR|0x200000)' doesn't an OR with a non-zero constant always come non-zero? 2014-09-06T21:01:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-06T21:01:17 < varesa> or does my brain just not tick right because of sleep deprivation? 2014-09-06T21:02:43 < xata> varesa: oh, it is while(!DMA1->HISR&0x200000) 2014-09-06T21:03:10 < varesa> oh, there actually was something funny in that line :) 2014-09-06T21:04:22 < xata> yah, forgot how to C 2014-09-06T21:05:15 < xata> It should be DMA_TCIE6 or something like that. try to google tcie6 2014-09-06T21:06:15 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T21:06:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-06T21:15:27 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T21:23:44 -!- Vutral_ [~ss@176.10.107.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-06T21:30:21 -!- DanteA [~X@host-19-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-06T21:33:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-06T21:36:54 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T21:45:51 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-06T21:45:59 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T21:46:12 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-06T21:56:26 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T22:04:01 -!- xata [c3b6c2d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.182.194.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-06T22:04:17 < LZZ> I am trying my first SPI, but when I write a byte, the data goes fine but the SCK just change state once for every byte I write... 2014-09-06T22:10:10 -!- edmont1 [~edmont@router.cedint.upm.es] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T22:11:58 -!- edmont [~edmont@router.cedint.upm.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-06T22:16:40 -!- Rickta59_ [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T22:16:50 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: akaWolf, Rickta59 2014-09-06T22:16:50 < GargantuaSauce> did you mix up sck and nss perhaps? 2014-09-06T22:17:46 < GargantuaSauce> is the sck pin's gpio speed setting too low? 2014-09-06T22:19:36 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T22:19:37 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-06T22:19:37 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T22:20:13 < LZZ> The GPIO speed is configured as 50MHz, which I believe is the maximum speed. 2014-09-06T22:20:52 < LZZ> But I dont really understand what is the nss... 2014-09-06T22:21:15 < LZZ> Sorry, i'm new to microcontrollers. 2014-09-06T22:22:48 < LZZ> ah 2014-09-06T22:22:53 < LZZ> nss is the chip select... 2014-09-06T22:23:20 < LZZ> I'm not even using a chip select now 2014-09-06T22:25:45 < varesa> xata: Are both the interrupt DMA_IT_TC and the flags DMA_FLAG_TCIFx under the same enable? 2014-09-06T22:49:47 < varesa> ah he left 2014-09-06T22:51:09 -!- xata [c3b6c2d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.182.194.212] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T22:52:48 < varesa> Any ideas why a DMA transfer seems to move the data but doesn't set any status flags in the DMA1->HISR register? 2014-09-06T22:56:59 < xata> because you did not enable it 2014-09-06T22:57:05 < xata> tried it? 2014-09-06T22:57:13 < varesa> oh you came back :) 2014-09-06T22:57:17 < xata> i am drunk kek 2014-09-06T22:57:57 < varesa> xata: I tried it without success. I also found this in the reference manual: "At the end of the transfer, the transfer complete flag (TCIF) is set and an interrupt is 2014-09-06T22:57:57 < varesa> generated if the transfer complete interrupt enable bit (TCIE) is set. 2014-09-06T22:57:57 < varesa> " 2014-09-06T22:58:41 < varesa> so the flag should be set regardless of the interrupt enable? 2014-09-06T23:06:28 < upgrdman> anyone have a preference for nice mini grabbers? 2014-09-06T23:07:29 < jpa-> does Tectu_ count as a 'mini grabber'? 2014-09-06T23:07:43 * Tectu_ is tall 2014-09-06T23:08:04 < jpa-> i think it's fine as long as you are skinny 2014-09-06T23:08:15 < upgrdman> i currently use these: http://www.amazon.com/Minigrabber-5pc-Test-Lead-Set/dp/B00AZM59FY/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1410032731&sr=8-4&keywords=mini+grabber 2014-09-06T23:08:29 < upgrdman> cut in half, and crimped a 0.1" on the ends 2014-09-06T23:08:35 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T23:09:30 < jpa-> those are pretty crappy in my experience 2014-09-06T23:09:42 < jpa-> http://sigrok.org/wiki/Probe_comparison 2014-09-06T23:20:22 < upgrdman> dat price http://www.amazon.com/Pomona-6352-Reach-Grabber-Length/dp/B005T7T276/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1410034763&sr=8-2&keywords=pomona+grabber 2014-09-06T23:20:53 -!- Amkei_ [~Amkei@dslb-178-000-247-032.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T23:22:36 -!- Amkei__ [~Amkei@dslb-178-008-115-222.178.008.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06T23:24:55 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-06T23:25:14 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T23:27:26 -!- Amkei__ [~Amkei@dslb-178-000-253-024.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T23:28:40 -!- Amkei_ [~Amkei@dslb-178-000-247-032.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06T23:40:23 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T23:45:09 -!- SpaceCoaster_ [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-06T23:45:53 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-06T23:47:39 < qyx_> someone here mentioned decreasing code size while addig more code 2014-09-06T23:47:46 < qyx_> *adding 2014-09-06T23:48:16 < qyx_> the same happens here, i added nearly 200 lines today and firmware size is continuously decreasing from 4K to 38K 2014-09-06T23:48:27 < qyx_> *from 49K 2014-09-06T23:48:50 < jpa-> did you find out why? 2014-09-06T23:49:00 < qyx_> hopefully after a week it will fit into 16K \o/ 2014-09-06T23:53:33 < fbs> he forgotto close the comment block 2014-09-06T23:54:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-06T23:59:04 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sun Sep 07 2014 2014-09-07T00:05:09 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-07T00:28:57 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-07T00:31:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-07T00:36:04 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-07T00:38:20 -!- Rickta59_ is now known as Rickta59 2014-09-07T00:42:30 -!- monique [~monique@unaffiliated/monique] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-07T00:49:31 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/CD1/plain today's best invention 2014-09-07T00:54:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-07T00:55:48 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-07T00:56:59 < qyx_> does it have any sense or is it just buch of randomly chosen constants and operations? 2014-09-07T00:58:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-07T00:59:22 < Tectu_> jpa-, middle in the night... 2014-09-07T01:00:18 < Steffanx> :o 2014-09-07T01:06:03 < qyx_> ok, a note to future, if you want a semaphore to work properly, do not reinitialize it in a cycle on background 2014-09-07T01:10:56 -!- varesa [~varesa@ec2-54-194-107-49.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-07T01:11:59 -!- varesa [~varesa@ec2-54-194-107-49.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-07T01:42:45 < xata> what could be wrong with this function? led is either blinking very fast. or not blinking at all. In debug i can reach the irq handler, and if i add a breakpoint on it led is blinking as fast as i click continue in debugger. 2014-09-07T01:42:51 < xata> http://0bin.net/paste/-zV5hXSlcDve2lqj#2d1Rnw72gzCSwK0tPsjBYaBtrtGOCdpBC8Rl4EDL0WQ 2014-09-07T01:43:00 < Tectu_> zyp, around? 2014-09-07T01:47:25 < GargantuaSauce> xata are you resetting TIM_SR_UIF in the irq handler 2014-09-07T01:48:37 < xata> GargantuaSauce: i am doing TIM_ClearITPendingBit(TIM2, TIM_IT_Update); 2014-09-07T01:49:02 < GargantuaSauce> maybe you should try doing it to tim4? :) 2014-09-07T01:49:07 < xata> oh crap 2014-09-07T01:49:10 < xata> right 2014-09-07T01:49:33 < GargantuaSauce> so as soon as the handler returns it's called again 2014-09-07T01:49:41 < xata> damn 2am 2014-09-07T01:51:54 < xata> IT'S ALIVE! How will i work with i2s if i am doing such a stupid mistakes is a mystery for me yet. Maybe screw that cmsis stuff and get back to registers?.. 2014-09-07T01:52:15 < GargantuaSauce> that's what i do 2014-09-07T01:52:22 < GargantuaSauce> and it's not cmsis, it's ST's stdperiphlib 2014-09-07T01:52:32 < GargantuaSauce> which is...not awesome 2014-09-07T01:54:06 < xata> anyways registers were straightforward, and they forced you to read reference manuals and datasheets. but code looked horrible 2014-09-07T01:54:31 < xata> too much bytesex, almost unreadable] 2014-09-07T01:57:43 < varesa> I gave up trying to detect when a DMA transfer is finished and just went with circular mode and enough trailing 0 values 2014-09-07T01:57:43 < GargantuaSauce> writing your own library or abstraction layer might be worth considering 2014-09-07T01:57:46 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-07T01:58:03 < varesa> result: blinky leds: http://youtu.be/YAbucuHjeHY (loud phone notification near the end, watch out) 2014-09-07T01:58:30 < Tectu_> zyp, around? 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me with git? 2014-09-08T00:27:31 < zyp> what did you break? 2014-09-08T00:27:48 < Laurenceb_> http://pastebin.com/6qtA8PmB 2014-09-08T00:27:51 < Laurenceb_> im trying to push to an empty remote repo 2014-09-08T00:28:26 < zyp> what kind of repo is the remote repo? 2014-09-08T00:28:52 < zyp> you might want to consider using a bare repo 2014-09-08T00:29:00 < zyp> I mean, what kind of purpose has the remote repo? 2014-09-08T00:29:58 < zyp> if it's only to hold a central copy on a server or something, you want to use a bare repo 2014-09-08T00:30:04 < zyp> which is a repo without a checked out tree 2014-09-08T00:30:33 < Laurenceb_> ah ok 2014-09-08T00:30:46 < Laurenceb_> i just did a git -init at the remote repo location 2014-09-08T00:30:54 < Laurenceb_> how do i make it bare? 2014-09-08T00:31:00 < zyp> you should probably read this http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-on-the-Server-Getting-Git-on-a-Server 2014-09-08T00:32:14 < zyp> i.e. you should use --bare with either clone or init 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timemob> In general Arduino is a good concept and in the meanwhile became a standard for the embedded hobby market. Unfortunately the boards are very big and not in 2.54mm grid. Even if the connector would be the same, the software for Arduino shields boards must be ported and Arduino shields couldn't be used directly 2014-09-08T01:56:08 < timemob> laff 2014-09-08T01:57:20 -!- t1memob [~dongs@125.146.228.79] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T01:57:20 -!- timemob [~dongs@125.146.228.79] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-08T02:09:43 -!- t1memob [~dongs@125.146.228.79] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2014-09-08T02:10:00 < qyx_> what is bulb board 2014-09-08T02:13:22 < Laurenceb_> board with tulips on it 2014-09-08T02:15:54 < _Sync_> well that could seriously troll the uk 2014-09-08T02:21:52 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-129-130-129.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-08T02:28:40 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-szypfqpwqwdnwydu] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T03:15:54 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pmofuspjrnorznmp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T03:16:13 -!- jef79m 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2014-09-08T04:17:26 < kakeman> and it is free? 2014-09-08T04:17:40 < zyp> the $1k kind of free 2014-09-08T04:17:43 < zyp> or something 2014-09-08T04:17:51 < kakeman> :D 2014-09-08T04:18:05 < kakeman> ok I just.. 2014-09-08T04:18:24 < kakeman> lemme buy altium designer first 2014-09-08T04:18:59 < kakeman> anyone here with personal license? 2014-09-08T04:19:08 < zyp> for what? 2014-09-08T04:19:12 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T04:19:17 < kakeman> altium designer 2014-09-08T04:19:22 < dongs> zyp: try ~3k minimum 2014-09-08T04:19:31 < dongs> for cortex lic 2014-09-08T04:19:38 < dongs> ~4 or 5k for full/pro 2014-09-08T04:19:59 < zyp> dongs, right number of digits = close enough 2014-09-08T04:20:08 < dongs> ya sure 2014-09-08T04:20:22 < dongs> but $1k for altium would mean affordable 2014-09-08T04:20:25 < dongs> vs $7k it is now. 2014-09-08T04:20:30 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-08T04:20:42 < zyp> true 2014-09-08T04:21:07 < dongs> Altium Designer 14 pricing starts at $7,245 USD, including a one year subscription. 2014-09-08T04:21:07 < zyp> speaking of expensive tools, how much were that pokemon analyzer? 2014-09-08T04:21:29 < dongs> i'd have to look it up again. direct price was same as taiwan reseller price from a random webshop 2014-09-08T04:22:11 < zyp> I have a bunch of money left over right now that I might spend on one before I waste it on other stuff 2014-09-08T04:22:12 < dongs> (which was less what i paid for jappo version) 2014-09-08T04:22:17 < dongs> ya you should 2014-09-08T04:22:48 < kakeman> are you guys breeding pokemons? 2014-09-08T04:23:07 < dongs> hm wahts this TL2236B+ thing 2014-09-08T04:23:11 < dongs> seems it has more hardware triggers 2014-09-08T04:23:13 < dongs> emmc and shit 2014-09-08T04:23:22 < zyp> yeah, I remember going over that 2014-09-08T04:23:24 < dongs> eMMC 4.5, NAND Flash, SD 3.0, Serial Flash 2014-09-08T04:23:42 < dongs> http://www.pcstore.com.tw/51817/M12738083.htm 2014-09-08T04:23:56 < zyp> not too interested in paying for that, paying for large capture buffer is expensive enough :p 2014-09-08T04:24:03 < dongs> wtf thats expensive 2014-09-08T04:24:03 < dongs> yeah 2014-09-08T04:24:25 < dongs> http://www.pcstore.com.tw/51817/M12738029.htm non B 2014-09-08T04:24:59 < zyp> hmm, $1900 2014-09-08T04:25:03 < dongs> zyp, with transitional cap maybe even 18mb is enough? 2014-09-08T04:25:08 < zyp> that's a bit more expensive that I remember 2014-09-08T04:25:34 < dongs> http://www.pcstore.com.tw/51817/M12737929.htm 2014-09-08T04:25:34 < zyp> I don't know what is enough, and more is obviously better :p 2014-09-08T04:25:37 < dongs> 12oobux for 18mb 2014-09-08T04:25:38 < dongs> yeah 2014-09-08T04:26:31 < dongs> http://www.pcstore.com.tw/51817/M14987142.htm oo they have a cheapnigger version 2014-09-08T04:26:34 < dongs> with 1mbit 2014-09-08T04:26:38 < _Sync_> yeah new protocol analyzers are nice 2014-09-08T04:26:46 < _Sync_> got some old tek clunker that does the job 2014-09-08T04:27:10 < zyp> dongs, only 18 channels 2014-09-08T04:27:15 < dongs> ya 2014-09-08T04:28:32 < dongs> anywa that pchome is the only seller of that shit in tw, and thats what htey told me to buy from instead of direct 2014-09-08T04:29:50 < kakeman> gnddetect pin goes to.. gnd? 2014-09-08T04:30:10 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-szypfqpwqwdnwydu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-08T04:30:12 < kakeman> cortex connector first time 2014-09-08T04:31:00 < _Sync_> I wonder what they run internally 2014-09-08T04:31:51 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-08T04:31:52 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T04:32:22 < _Sync_> also that fucking gimbal, I can't seem to tune the ripples out 2014-09-08T04:36:03 < kakeman> sleepy time 2014-09-08T04:39:08 < dongs> 'internally'? 2014-09-08T04:39:56 < dongs> if you re talking about logic analyzer, its altera fpga, fast sram, and a USB2.0>scanner interface chip 2014-09-08T04:40:32 < _Sync_> oh, that sounds pretty uninvolved 2014-09-08T04:41:04 < _Sync_> but yeah I forgot that you can just get a 4GHz phy on an fpga 2014-09-08T04:42:33 < dongs> i forgot wat it used, some fairly ancient usb bridge. since its not realtime, they capture to sram then just dump it over to pc 2014-09-08T04:42:43 < _Sync_> yeah 2014-09-08T04:43:00 < dongs> might have been GL660 or similar 2014-09-08T04:44:40 < dongs> speaking of scanners 2014-09-08T04:44:45 < dongs> i got this shitty brother multifunction thing 2014-09-08T04:44:53 < dongs> thats like sanner/printer etc all in one 2014-09-08T04:45:23 < dongs> i opened the atop once while it was scanning, and the scanning bar was weird, it looked likt it was flashing between red/green/blue colors as it was moving 2014-09-08T04:53:10 < zyp> that's what they do 2014-09-08T04:53:18 < dongs> oh? 2014-09-08T04:53:32 < zyp> monochrome sensor, doing one color at a time 2014-09-08T04:53:45 < dongs> the sensor is monochrome and its highlighting a color at a timE? 2014-09-08T04:53:47 < dongs> hm i see. 2014-09-08T04:53:48 < zyp> yep 2014-09-08T04:54:11 < dongs> figurd in 2014 they would have better ways of doing it... 2014-09-08T04:54:39 < dongs> http://www.robot-electronics.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2erobot-electronics%2eco%2euk%2f&WD=cmps10&PN=Compass%2ehtml%23a124#a124 lol... 2014-09-08T04:55:47 < zyp> well, you get better resolution since all pixels can scan all colors instead of only one 2014-09-08T05:00:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VNQgVcs.jpg 2014-09-08T05:19:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-08T05:21:13 -!- zippe [~Adium@173.11.99.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T05:22:08 < jadew> that's so creepy 2014-09-08T05:22:37 < zyp> why? 2014-09-08T05:23:35 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G? 2014-09-08T14:41:14 < zyp> hook them all in parallel 2014-09-08T14:41:46 < dongs> 16mm.. 2014-09-08T14:41:46 < dongs> shit 2014-09-08T14:41:50 < dongs> thats even bigger than size G 2014-09-08T14:42:05 < baird> Aluminum Electrolytics.. How well do they explode? 2014-09-08T14:44:44 < karlp> reel fed cap exploder? 2014-09-08T14:45:16 < karlp> 11 full reels of 125 each, if anyone's keen at all 2014-09-08T14:45:58 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T14:46:02 < dongs> what are they good for 2014-09-08T14:46:09 * karlp shrugs 2014-09-08T14:46:17 < dongs> i've been trying to give away some 10uH coils in here, nobody wants htem eiher :) 2014-09-08T14:46:18 < karlp> friend got them from the bin at work when they shut down a department 2014-09-08T14:46:44 < dongs> baird will take htem, he can collect locally 2014-09-08T14:46:47 < karlp> he's had a single bite from a guy who wanted 8 of them for a repair, but no-one's interested in them even for just the price of shipping 2014-09-08T14:46:48 < dongs> he'll drive tehre on his postie 2014-09-08T14:47:03 < dongs> amirite 2014-09-08T14:47:22 < _Sync_> depends on the shipping, but I could probably use them 2014-09-08T14:48:36 < dongs> like hell you could 2014-09-08T14:48:43 < dongs> what would you dow iht them? 2014-09-08T14:48:44 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ncjdpxxmmnhifjwc] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T14:48:59 < karlp> " i'd just be happy to see them not go into rubbish." 2014-09-08T14:50:25 < BrainDamage> use them as building material 2014-09-08T14:50:43 < dongs> if I put all of them on a board in parallel 2014-09-08T14:50:46 < dongs> how many uF is that gonna be 2014-09-08T14:51:02 < karlp> 1400+3300 2014-09-08T14:51:09 < karlp> 1400*3300 sutpid keyboard 2014-09-08T14:51:11 < dongs> 2.62F 2014-09-08T14:51:13 < dongs> err 2014-09-08T14:51:14 < dongs> 4.62F 2014-09-08T14:51:20 < dongs> what can i do with THAT 2014-09-08T14:51:56 < rewolff1> http://nl.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas1020la3r0405/cap-4f-3v-0-3-ohm-radial-20/dp/1852924?Ntt=4F+capactor\ 2014-09-08T14:52:06 < rewolff1> That's a lot smaller. 2014-09-08T14:52:09 < rewolff1> :-) 2014-09-08T14:52:13 < karlp> only 3v though 2014-09-08T14:52:23 < karlp> and probably has rather different discharge characteristics 2014-09-08T14:52:28 < BrainDamage> ~640J energy, for comparison a single AA cell is ~10000J 2014-09-08T14:52:55 < rewolff1> (yeah, about 30 times less energy, so that would explain the size difference... :-) ) 2014-09-08T14:53:42 < dongs> < BrainDamage> ~640J energy, for comparison a single AA cell is ~10000J 2014-09-08T14:53:46 < dongs> is that for array of those ? 2014-09-08T14:53:49 < dongs> or the 4F one 2014-09-08T14:53:58 < rewolff1> My brother came to me: we're throwing these away at work, want them? .. 2014-09-08T14:53:59 < baird> karlp: how far are you from Wyong..? Do a CCARC field day boot sale.. 2014-09-08T14:54:19 < karlp> they're in melbourne, I'm a very long way from wyong. 2014-09-08T14:54:27 < rewolff1> Me: no. 2014-09-08T14:54:27 < rewolff1> So he answered: well... here they are anyway... Turns out to be 4500+ 10uH coils.... 2014-09-08T14:54:37 < BrainDamage> dongs: for the4F overall 2014-09-08T14:54:44 < dongs> rewolff1: haha 2014-09-08T14:54:49 < dongs> what kind?? 2014-09-08T14:54:51 < rewolff1> Have been trying to get rid of them since then.... 2014-09-08T14:55:02 < BrainDamage> E=0.5*C*V^2 2014-09-08T14:55:11 < dongs> i *might* use 10uF coils depending on pattern 2014-09-08T14:55:15 < dongs> er 10UH 2014-09-08T14:55:20 < rewolff1> Got a guy to "you get rid of my junk, keep half of the money...." 2014-09-08T14:55:25 < BrainDamage> it's gonna have a stupidly low equivalent ESR tough, so it'll be pretty fast to discharge 2014-09-08T14:55:35 < karlp> didn't you just say you were trying to get rid of 10uH coils yourself dongs? 2014-09-08T14:55:35 < rewolff1> and he sold them for EUR 70.... ! :-) 2014-09-08T14:55:39 < dongs> bah 2014-09-08T14:55:47 < dongs> karlp: yes, but the ones I cant use 2014-09-08T14:55:48 < karlp> BrainDamage: yeah, that's the only advantage of a big array I gues 2014-09-08T14:55:50 < dongs> shitty footprint 2014-09-08T14:55:55 < _Sync_> dongs: some LED lightning 2014-09-08T14:56:03 < rewolff1> My coils are already gone (most of them), and through-hole. 2014-09-08T14:56:37 < dongs> oh forget that 2014-09-08T14:57:38 < BrainDamage> karlp: you mean like, physically large? :P https://www.dropbox.com/s/veltisgkmdr7bvs/Photo%2010-08-14%2018%2040%2040.jpg?dl=0 ( I know, pro construction tecniques there ) 2014-09-08T14:58:02 < karlp> heh, 400V caps there too :) 2014-09-08T14:58:34 < karlp> are those 8200 milli farads each? 2014-09-08T14:59:30 < BrainDamage> uF, thanks to americans that insist on using M for micro 2014-09-08T14:59:57 < _Sync_> pfft, those are only for smoothing 2014-09-08T15:00:06 < _Sync_> get some proper low esr caps 2014-09-08T15:00:06 < BrainDamage> there's a second bank behind the panel with more capacity, overall capacity is ~0.15F 2014-09-08T15:00:21 < dongs> whats hte use? 2014-09-08T15:00:29 < BrainDamage> trolling neighbours 2014-09-08T15:00:51 < BrainDamage> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7e5914pjbu84lzo/fire.mp4?dl=0 2014-09-08T15:01:24 < BrainDamage> mini railgun 2014-09-08T15:02:03 < BrainDamage> ( also ESR is sufficiently low for my pourposes ) 2014-09-08T15:02:31 < _Sync_> measure your dI/dt in the beginning, you will be suprised 2014-09-08T15:03:05 < BrainDamage> I actually did, I had a scope with a single turn coil loop 2014-09-08T15:03:33 < BrainDamage> ( I also had the ESR of the caps measured individually beforehand ) 2014-09-08T15:04:03 < _Sync_> the thing is that most of those caps will not withstand the abuse 2014-09-08T15:04:10 < _Sync_> we hat some of them fail after a while 2014-09-08T15:04:11 < BrainDamage> that is correct 2014-09-08T15:04:19 < BrainDamage> but I bought the lots used 2014-09-08T15:04:30 < BrainDamage> for approx 50€ all 2014-09-08T15:04:38 < _Sync_> now we run epcos inverter grade and nothing brakes now 2014-09-08T15:04:40 < _Sync_> expensive 2014-09-08T15:04:57 < BrainDamage> one single new costs as much as that 2014-09-08T15:05:32 < _Sync_> yes, we got the caps for our >100kJ bank for under 1€/each 2014-09-08T15:05:40 < BrainDamage> link 2014-09-08T15:06:24 < karlp> other than railgun games, what else do you use a bank that big for? power factor correction stuff? 2014-09-08T15:06:52 < BrainDamage> yes 2014-09-08T15:07:35 < _Sync_> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/foo/caps3.JPG BrainDamage 2014-09-08T15:07:42 < _Sync_> got about 3 cars worth of caps 2014-09-08T15:07:50 < BrainDamage> I meant an actual store link 2014-09-08T15:07:58 < _Sync_> that was some private deal 2014-09-08T15:08:00 < _Sync_> years ago 2014-09-08T15:08:57 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-08T15:10:55 < Laurenceb> attn dongs 2014-09-08T15:10:56 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5sSUJoYnbk 2014-09-08T15:10:59 < Laurenceb> 6th comment 2014-09-08T15:12:33 < _Sync_> heh 2014-09-08T15:16:30 < dongs> wat 2014-09-08T15:19:58 < qyx_> hm, could be used for some sort of electric gun 2014-09-08T15:20:02 < qyx_> these caps 2014-09-08T15:20:35 < qyx_> scrollfail, BrainDamage mentioned that already 2014-09-08T15:22:38 < karlp> so, do you want to build one? :) 2014-09-08T15:38:04 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-243-207.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T15:39:44 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-245-28.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-08T15:42:12 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-224-33.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T15:43:28 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-243-207.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-08T15:48:02 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T15:54:52 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-08T15:59:46 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-08T16:04:19 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T16:05:50 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-08T16:07:08 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2014-09-08T16:07:50 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T16:13:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T16:42:42 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-08T16:50:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-08T17:00:10 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ncjdpxxmmnhifjwc] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-08T17:11:15 < dongs> hm 2014-09-08T17:11:22 < dongs> assembly variants in altium are jsut that, for assemblyt 2014-09-08T17:11:40 < dongs> missing parts in -lite version , full population in -pro 2014-09-08T17:11:55 < dongs> i was kinda hoping i could make different board layouts or somethign 2014-09-08T17:12:10 < dongs> (while reusing most of existing layout 2014-09-08T17:21:07 < Claude> tried the design snippets thing dongs ? 2014-09-08T17:21:48 < dongs> what hte fuck my mouse is dead 2014-09-08T17:22:15 < jpa-> you fucked it too much 2014-09-08T17:22:17 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-08T17:23:01 < dongs> 1.4V. not battery 2014-09-08T17:23:02 < dongs> hmm 2014-09-08T17:23:54 < dongs> Claude: seen it. does it work liek thaT? 2014-09-08T17:24:24 < dongs> where the hell is "snippets examples" 2014-09-08T17:28:44 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T17:31:40 < Claude> dongs, never used it before :) but looks cool 2014-09-08T17:32:47 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-224-33.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-08T17:33:59 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-237-178.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T17:44:47 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-237-178.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-08T17:45:01 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T17:45:44 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-237-178.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T17:51:48 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-08T17:57:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-08T17:57:21 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T17:58:00 -!- emeb_mac_ [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-08T17:59:06 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T17:59:35 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T18:09:32 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-08T18:11:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-08T18:12:20 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-248-170.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T18:12:35 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-237-178.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-08T18:12:39 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2014-09-08T18:21:17 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yhytokkdjyzjqodk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T18:23:19 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T18:35:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-08T18:40:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T19:09:04 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T19:15:17 -!- xata [~xata@142-138.trifle.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-08T19:17:28 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T19:20:25 < loans> hm. when I try to send a 'program' command using openocd, the light on the stlink turns off 2014-09-08T19:20:42 < loans> and subsequent program commands return a different 'failure' output 2014-09-08T19:22:11 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-08T19:24:42 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-08T19:25:48 < Laurenceb> http://images.sciencedaily.com/2013/01/130124122934-large.jpg 2014-09-08T19:26:20 < loans> huh. there's something wrong with this 'adaptor' board 2014-09-08T19:26:23 < loans> i think 2014-09-08T19:26:39 < loans> measuring 0v between 'vcc' and 'gnd' on the six pin header 2014-09-08T19:27:37 < jpa-> normal 2014-09-08T19:27:44 < jpa-> the vcc_target pin is not really used on stlink 2014-09-08T19:28:05 < loans> so is my target board going to need to be powered from another source while programming? 2014-09-08T19:28:48 < jpa-> yes - though you can power if from the discovery board if you are using one 2014-09-08T19:28:54 < loans> so full story 2014-09-08T19:28:56 < jpa-> just not from the stlink header 2014-09-08T19:28:58 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-08T19:29:06 < loans> my company is being hired to push code to and assemble some widgets 2014-09-08T19:29:40 < loans> i have the widget PCBs in need of programing, an stlink v2 and a little adaptor board the widget designers also gave us, with the ribbon cable header to connect to the stlink and a six pin .1" row to ocnnect to the widget PCBs 2014-09-08T19:30:12 < loans> if i have to power the target boards... hm. 2014-09-08T19:30:44 < jpa-> so you have a real stlink v2 or the discovery board thingy? 2014-09-08T19:30:44 < loans> i'm coming at this with no ARM experience whatsoever 2014-09-08T19:30:48 < loans> a real stlink v2 2014-09-08T19:30:58 < jpa-> dunno maybe it could provide Vcc 2014-09-08T19:31:01 < jpa-> the discovery ones do not 2014-09-08T19:31:12 -!- monique [~monique@unaffiliated/monique] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T19:31:17 < jpa-> it will be some setting probably, not sure if openocd can control it 2014-09-08T19:31:51 < loans> http://pastie.org/9536671 2014-09-08T19:31:54 < loans> this is the output i get 2014-09-08T19:32:26 < GargantuaSauce> yes you need external power 2014-09-08T19:32:41 < loans> that's kind of annoying 2014-09-08T19:33:07 < GargantuaSauce> well think of it this way, what if your application board draws 2A 2014-09-08T19:33:58 < GargantuaSauce> certainly a programmer cannot be expected to supply an arbitrary amount of power 2014-09-08T19:34:32 < GargantuaSauce> so it doesn't, it just uses the vcc pin to detect the target voltage to pull up the swd pins to 2014-09-08T19:35:16 < loans> it might be perfectly logical but i'm allowed to be annoyed by it 2014-09-08T19:35:27 < loans> so i gotta figure out how to hook up the device this widget is supposed to interact with 2014-09-08T19:35:36 < loans> the widget's got rj-45, device has xlr5 2014-09-08T19:35:37 < loans> sigh 2014-09-08T19:35:47 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T19:36:06 -!- monique [~monique@unaffiliated/monique] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-08T19:36:08 < loans> oh wait, it has rj45 inside, i forgot 2014-09-08T19:36:15 < loans> this is dumb 2014-09-08T19:39:38 < loans> the owner of this company is one of those guys who just sorta assumes you'll figure it out, even when you've specifically asked for more information 2014-09-08T19:40:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T19:40:35 < jpa-> and apparently you will 2014-09-08T19:40:49 < loans> one does what one does i guess 2014-09-08T19:40:56 < GargantuaSauce> maybe you should embrace incompetence to prove him wrong! 2014-09-08T19:41:15 < GargantuaSauce> that'll show him 2014-09-08T19:41:41 < loans> hah 2014-09-08T19:46:13 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-08T19:47:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.20] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T19:48:31 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T19:50:49 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-08T19:50:54 < loans> huh 2014-09-08T19:50:57 < loans> upon powering these boards 2014-09-08T19:51:03 < loans> they sure appear to be programmed already 2014-09-08T19:51:39 < loans> however 2014-09-08T19:51:47 < loans> successful output on the programmer 2014-09-08T19:51:58 < loans> thank you guys for your help 2014-09-08T19:52:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-08T19:53:10 < karlp> loans: the guys here jiggled around some cables on the stlink boxed version to get vcc onto the "vcc target" pin of the stlink 6 pin header format, 2014-09-08T19:53:39 < karlp> to make a version that applies power, but yeah, you've got to be careful if you plug in the device's expected power supply too... 2014-09-08T19:53:42 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T19:53:53 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-08T19:54:08 < loans> i appear to just happened to have grabbed two that were programmed 2014-09-08T19:54:09 < loans> bumm 2014-09-08T19:54:20 < loans> er 2014-09-08T19:55:46 < loans> oh seriously? 2014-09-08T19:55:52 < loans> i have to power cycle the programmer between boards? 2014-09-08T19:56:10 < GargantuaSauce> loans: get the openocd git head 2014-09-08T19:56:24 < loans> like, the latest build? 2014-09-08T19:56:40 < GargantuaSauce> i dunno if they do binary snapshots 2014-09-08T19:56:56 < loans> oh 2014-09-08T19:56:58 < loans> their blog lies 2014-09-08T19:57:05 < loans> they claim that 0.8.0 is in debian testing 2014-09-08T19:57:10 < loans> nope 2014-09-08T19:57:12 < loans> unstable 2014-09-08T19:57:14 < loans> i can't read 2014-09-08T19:57:27 < loans> i can fix this 2014-09-08T19:58:02 < GargantuaSauce> 0.8.0 is 5 months old, the target redetection thing was added later 2014-09-08T19:58:22 < karlp> they're hoping to have 0.9 out by the end of the month, if not sooner actually. 2014-09-08T19:58:35 < karlp> or so says the chatter on #openocd 2014-09-08T19:59:02 < loans> so i'm building it from source 2014-09-08T19:59:07 < loans> is what i'm hearing 2014-09-08T19:59:07 < GargantuaSauce> yup 2014-09-08T19:59:10 < loans> bummer 2014-09-08T20:00:41 < loans> wow sourceforge is terrible 2014-09-08T20:00:47 < dongs> loans: if youre doing this for "work" dump the opensores shit and get proper tools 2014-09-08T20:00:53 < loans> dongs: hahahahahaha 2014-09-08T20:00:53 < dongs> stlink/openocd is fucking garbage 2014-09-08T20:01:05 < dongs> loans: im serious. 2014-09-08T20:01:05 < loans> 'proper tools' is not something my company does 2014-09-08T20:01:11 < dongs> then get a new job 2014-09-08T20:01:18 < dongs> tell htem you're going back to avr 2014-09-08T20:01:22 < dongs> until they give you shit to work with 2014-09-08T20:01:33 < loans> i work in entertainment lighting 2014-09-08T20:01:39 < loans> this thing is a side project 2014-09-08T20:01:47 < dongs> dmx is rough 2014-09-08T20:01:58 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-08T20:02:17 < loans> i work in the not-electronics-engineering side of entertainment lighting 2014-09-08T20:02:20 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-248-170.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-08T20:02:24 < loans> the electronics stuff is mostly hobby 2014-09-08T20:02:48 < Steffanx> arduino? 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2014-09-08T21:15:43 < zyp> I need to measure a signal that has a range of 0-3.3V 2014-09-08T21:16:11 < scrts> the limit is avdd, but it measures from agnd to vref 2014-09-08T21:18:15 < zyp> hmm 2014-09-08T21:18:54 < zyp> I want to avoid external components, as this hooks up to an existing board 2014-09-08T21:19:38 < zyp> the board is using F3, so I guess I might use the internal opamps to scale the signal before feeding it into the adc 2014-09-08T21:23:54 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@mobile-166-171-251-224.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-08T21:25:12 < zyp> ah, vref and avdd is same pin on this package 2014-09-08T21:25:21 < zyp> so vref is also 3.3V 2014-09-08T21:32:46 < zyp> if I just need to sample one channel per ADC, can I just set it to continous mode and just poll ADCx_DR when I want to read it? 2014-09-08T21:35:08 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T21:39:54 -!- petus_ [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-08T21:41:05 < scrts> dunno about STM32, but I'd use interrupts anyway 2014-09-08T21:41:27 < scrts> it depends... what's your app? 2014-09-08T21:59:19 < zyp> the HID adapter board I've been selling, some guys want to interface some analog stuff to it 2014-09-08T22:00:08 < zyp> and I have ADC available on the pins I'm using for the digital inputs I want to repurpose as analog 2014-09-08T22:00:39 < zyp> one of them happens to be on ADC1 while the other is on ADC2, so I only need a single channel per ADC 2014-09-08T22:02:27 < zyp> I just need to sample current state once per report I send 2014-09-08T22:02:55 < zyp> so I figure I might as well run it continously and just grab the latest value every time I'm creating a report 2014-09-08T22:03:19 < zyp> I don't want to deal with the extra complexity of starting a conversion and then waiting for results 2014-09-08T22:03:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T22:03:54 < zyp> I mean, if they were on the same ADC, I'd just set up ADC in circular mode and do the same 2014-09-08T22:04:17 < zyp> DMA* 2014-09-08T22:04:23 < zyp> but since I don't need more than one channel, I shouldn't need DMA either, right? 2014-09-08T22:04:59 < scrts> yeah 2014-09-08T22:05:45 < scrts> on the other hand maybe use the DMA, write the samples to the memory and when you will need to do a transfer, grab the values, find the average and pass it to the PC? 2014-09-08T22:06:00 < scrts> so it will be a reliable solution with a soft filtering 2014-09-08T22:07:20 < zyp> I figure I don't need filtering, I just set the conversion time to be rather long 2014-09-08T22:19:27 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-08T22:23:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-08T22:24:56 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbmEzTFJ4dkItQlk/edit?usp=sharing are circled areas ok? 2014-09-08T22:25:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host81-159-97-71.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T22:25:35 < kakeman> if not connected to mcu 2014-09-08T22:25:38 < kakeman> at all 2014-09-08T22:26:03 < kakeman> pins inside circles 2014-09-08T22:26:29 < aadamson> kakeman, don't you want tdo? 2014-09-08T22:26:57 < aadamson> gonna be pretty hard to do swd without me thinks 2014-09-08T22:27:20 < aadamson> course this from memory so I need to go look at mine :)... 2014-09-08T22:27:59 < aadamson> yeah if you want to be able to use a printf type terminal output what they call SWD+trace 2014-09-08T22:28:02 < aadamson> you'll need tdo 2014-09-08T22:28:32 < aadamson> I connect TDO, SWCLK, SWDIO, GND, NRST and VCC only 6 pins on my debug connector 2014-09-08T22:29:59 < zyp> you don't need tdo 2014-09-08T22:29:59 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-08T22:30:03 < zyp> unless you want swo 2014-09-08T22:30:50 < zyp> hooking them to resistors also looks pointless 2014-09-08T22:31:00 < aadamson> yeah, that's correct on the swo... 2014-09-08T22:31:17 < kakeman> i don't know if this mcu even has such a pin 2014-09-08T22:31:29 < kakeman> *such pin 2014-09-08T22:31:31 < zyp> ah, isn't LPC1111 M0? 2014-09-08T22:31:35 < zyp> M0 doesn't have swo anyway 2014-09-08T22:31:35 < kakeman> ye 2014-09-08T22:31:42 < aadamson> ah, there ya go... 2014-09-08T22:31:44 < kakeman> wat is swo? 2014-09-08T22:31:47 < zyp> trace 2014-09-08T22:31:56 < kakeman> ye 2014-09-08T22:32:01 < kakeman> it doesn't have 2014-09-08T22:32:25 < kakeman> how about that gnddetect pin+ 2014-09-08T22:32:26 < kakeman> ? 2014-09-08T22:32:30 < zyp> that's correct 2014-09-08T22:32:39 < zyp> and drop the pointless resistors, just leave them open 2014-09-08T22:32:44 < kakeman> ok 2014-09-08T22:34:50 < aadamson> yeah, you don't need to pull them up... 2014-09-08T22:35:08 < kakeman> how bout that key pin? remove whole pin? 2014-09-08T22:35:24 < zyp> nah, just leave it unconnected 2014-09-08T22:35:32 < zyp> hmm 2014-09-08T22:35:54 < zyp> R22 and R23 also looks pointless, I've never put extra resistors on swd lines 2014-09-08T22:36:06 < kakeman> ye 2014-09-08T22:36:14 < kakeman> there is internal resistors 2014-09-08T22:36:31 < kakeman> last night half a sleep did something here 2014-09-08T22:36:35 < aadamson> it's called for technically in the datasheet, but I dont use them either 2014-09-08T22:36:55 < aadamson> I should say on the stm datasheets anyway 2014-09-08T22:37:38 < aadamson> ok, time to build a few board... 2014-09-08T22:38:31 < aadamson> (s) ... lol 2014-09-08T22:40:15 < zyp> aadamson, no, it's not called for 2014-09-08T22:40:31 < zyp> «To avoid any uncontrolled IO levels, the device embeds internal pull-ups and pull-downs on the JTAG input pins» - F303 RM 2014-09-08T22:40:56 < zyp> «Having embedded pull-ups and pull-downs removes the need to add external resistors.» 2014-09-08T22:41:15 < aadamson> zyp, ah, perfect thanks... I knew there was a reason...same is true of the usb resistors as well on the 303 2014-09-08T22:41:19 < aadamson> and most of the others 2014-09-08T22:42:26 < zyp> no, the internal usb d+ pullup in F303 is not valid according to spec and should not be used 2014-09-08T22:42:40 < zyp> according to errata sheet 2014-09-08T22:42:46 < zyp> same for a couple other families 2014-09-08T22:43:01 < aadamson> ah, sorry... confused with the l1... the lastest rev of the l1, they fixed that 2014-09-08T22:48:54 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-190-79-135.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T22:50:09 < kakeman> but ain't that key pin actually pinless place or should be? 2014-09-08T22:50:18 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host81-159-97-71.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2014-09-08T22:50:26 < kakeman> what it's for? 2014-09-08T22:50:51 < kakeman> my lpclink jtag has all 10pins 2014-09-08T22:54:40 < zyp> it should be pinless, but it doesn't matter 2014-09-08T22:55:20 < kakeman> actual cables still have all the holes unblocked 2014-09-08T22:55:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-08T23:08:29 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T23:10:58 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-08T23:32:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-08T23:42:28 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-08T23:42:35 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-08T23:47:58 < kakeman> with stm32 should you pull reset up externally? 2014-09-08T23:48:22 < kakeman> one design I'm looking has pull up 2014-09-08T23:48:38 < kakeman> so I wonder if my lpc1313 led doesn't blink 2014-09-08T23:48:54 < kakeman> if reset actually bounces around 2014-09-08T23:49:31 < kakeman> or something 2014-09-08T23:50:34 < kakeman> lemme get my first stm32 datasheet 2014-09-08T23:51:26 < karlp> there's also a helpful, "hardware design tips for stm32" appnote, that covers this sort of thing explicitly. 2014-09-08T23:51:29 < karlp> you should read it. 2014-09-08T23:52:16 < kakeman> ok that one then 2014-09-08T23:54:58 < karlp> kakeman: also, some people have and choose to use cables with the key plugged :) 2014-09-08T23:59:52 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] --- Day changed Tue Sep 09 2014 2014-09-09T00:00:05 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T00:03:57 < kakeman> is key for both swd and jtag? 2014-09-09T00:04:11 < kakeman> and if you misconnect is it fries then? 2014-09-09T00:04:32 < kakeman> w/o key connector upside down 2014-09-09T00:16:58 < karlp> yeah, but not just fries, it releases purple slime as well. 2014-09-09T00:19:17 < zyp> stm32 doesn't need pullup on reset 2014-09-09T00:19:32 < zyp> I know from experience that lpc4357 does, however 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annoying, not sure i can capture it on ym analog scope then 2014-09-09T01:03:57 < ds2> what are you trying to do? 2014-09-09T01:04:28 < Jack3k3> im trying to write some registers to this chip (that im also not sure is working by itself correctly), but I want to verify that the I2C is actually functioning 2014-09-09T01:04:49 < Jack3k3> so im just looking for some way to prove to myself I2C is actually active 2014-09-09T01:05:02 < ds2> why not use some library and put it into a loop to read a "ROM" 2014-09-09T01:05:56 < Jack3k3> not really sure how i would do that 2014-09-09T01:19:56 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-67-173.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T01:39:26 < Jack3k3> sweet actually captured it by using my usb scope and toggling one of the gpio pins to flip so i could capture on its rising edge 2014-09-09T01:41:08 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-09T01:42:03 < Jack3k3> turns out its only a very small transfer though, when the transfer should be much larger 2014-09-09T01:45:31 < Jack3k3> here take a look http://imgur.com/zWmDuNM 2014-09-09T01:47:12 < Jack3k3> looks to me like maybe 31 or 32 bits are being transferred 2014-09-09T01:55:24 < Jack3k3> can someone take a look at the function at the end of this code called Write_registers (line 169) http://codepad.org/OMK71Mfd 2014-09-09T01:55:36 < Jack3k3> am I doing something that would cause the i2c transmission to fail early 2014-09-09T02:01:02 < Jack3k3> nevermind i think its working 2014-09-09T02:02:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-09T02:07:13 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-190-79-135.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-09T02:09:44 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T02:33:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T02:36:22 -!- xorm 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some fucking reason 2014-09-09T06:21:35 < dongs> adn didnt bother closing 2014-09-09T06:21:40 < dongs> so half the shits are loose with bent pins 2014-09-09T06:21:41 < dongs> kikes 2014-09-09T06:31:02 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-09T06:35:30 -!- Simon--_ [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T06:35:37 -!- efuentes_ [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:1578:64cc:c90e:e0fe] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T06:35:52 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-09T06:36:18 -!- PaulFertser_ [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T06:37:07 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-09T06:37:24 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T06:38:51 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: jaeckel 2014-09-09T06:40:41 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: FreezingCold, PaulFertser, efuentes, Simon-- 2014-09-09T06:41:27 < emeb_mac> geez 2014-09-09T06:41:41 < emeb_mac> thanks for wasting $$$ 2014-09-09T06:42:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jaeckel 2014-09-09T06:43:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: FreezingCold 2014-09-09T06:43:22 < emeb_mac> why would they open outgoing? customs usually only opens incoming, no? 2014-09-09T06:45:57 -!- efuentes_ [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:1578:64cc:c90e:e0fe] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-09T06:52:48 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T07:06:15 < dongs> only wasted my time, arguably thats probly worth more than the tray 2014-09-09T07:06:21 < dongs> i actually managed to fix all the chips 2014-09-09T07:06:34 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:3c64:de2:fe66:32c4] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T07:13:32 < dongs> good luck using software from last decade 2014-09-09T07:13:36 < dongs> that still renders using GDI on windows 2014-09-09T07:13:44 < dongs> maybe you're og nna need that 8core after all 2014-09-09T07:13:48 < dongs> to scroll around schematic 2014-09-09T07:13:50 < dongs> while it flickers 2014-09-09T07:18:22 -!- fergusnoble [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-09T07:18:30 -!- fergusnoble [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T07:19:09 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-09T07:22:41 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:3c64:de2:fe66:32c4] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-09T07:35:45 -!- fergusnoble [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-09T07:38:02 -!- fergusnoble [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T07:51:06 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T07:53:05 < dongs> how does running F1 at 2.5V affect shit like USB etc. 2014-09-09T07:53:07 < dongs> does it just work 2014-09-09T07:58:28 < Jack3k3> agh wtf, I had a board setup using SPI2 but found out because of pin conflitcs I had to move to SPI3, so I changed the code and now I get no signals out of the SPI3 pins, no clock/word select/ sdi/sdo etc 2014-09-09T07:59:09 < Jack3k3> For reference, I'm using SPI3 pins PA4 (NSS/WSS), PC10 (SCK), PC11 (MISO), PC12 (MOSI) 2014-09-09T08:03:30 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqauczxlnuaeklrd] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T08:04:56 -!- PaulFertser_ is now known as PaulFertser 2014-09-09T08:21:54 < dongs> is that on F4? 2014-09-09T08:22:00 < dongs> did you configure AFIO etc properly? 2014-09-09T08:49:04 < dongs> pfffffffffffffft 2014-09-09T08:49:12 < dongs> your shitty milspec fabs that cant do 4/4 can go screw themselves 2014-09-09T08:50:27 < dongs> it doesnt man 2014-09-09T08:51:45 < Jack3k3> huh i think i fixed the issue, im now getting clock and word select again, had to switch to some different pins 2014-09-09T08:52:07 < Jack3k3> sadly MOSI/MISO is still dead not getting anything on either 2014-09-09T08:52:10 < Jack3k3> so something is fucked 2014-09-09T09:02:44 < Claude> R2COM, could you be a bit more specific? switched (read: boss bought altium and didn't extend the orcad contract) from the orcad suite to altium around 2005 and i don't regret it so far 2014-09-09T09:03:20 < dongs> r2com is just trolling 2014-09-09T09:03:25 < dongs> orcad is fucking ancient annoying shit 2014-09-09T09:03:29 < dongs> with millions of bugs 2014-09-09T09:03:31 < dongs> taht never get fixed 2014-09-09T09:03:33 < dongs> its like eagle, but worse 2014-09-09T09:04:04 < Claude> but well 2005 is almost 10 years back now :) 2014-09-09T09:06:51 < Claude> last year a ex-collegue called me if i can export him a altium schematic symbol (altera stratix) for mentor expedition. he is now forced to use mentor and all he wishes is go back to altium :) 2014-09-09T09:07:51 < PaulFertser> Altium feels like an awfully poorly written software. Creepy annoying crashes is a very bad sign. 2014-09-09T09:09:04 < Claude> yeah better not upgrade when you have a stable working version :) i only upgrade when a project is finished , too risky to upgrade sometimes 2014-09-09T09:12:12 < rewolff> dongs: you still awake? USB uses 3.3V signalling. So without a 3.3V voltage level, you're not going to meet specs. On the other hand, stuff like that sometimes works outside specs, but no guarantees. 2014-09-09T09:13:07 < dongs> hmpf 2014-09-09T09:14:37 < ds2> hmmm java on a microcontroller... 2014-09-09T09:17:35 < emeb_mac> slooooooowwwwww 2014-09-09T09:19:40 -!- Theremin [~amir]@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T09:20:15 -!- petus_ [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T09:27:19 < Jack3k3> hey emeb_mac question about your audio codec project, does the source code actually send the input audio back to the lineout but with a delay? 2014-09-09T09:27:41 < Jack3k3> cause mines not, just wanted to check if that was the intent or not 2014-09-09T09:28:05 < emeb_mac> Jack3k3: don't remember - I'll check... 2014-09-09T09:30:30 < ds2> maybe 2014-09-09T09:30:38 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T09:30:42 < ds2> but it is probally faster then the old 8bit computers 2014-09-09T09:31:02 < emeb_mac> Jack3k3: one channel is delayed, the other is straight-thru 2014-09-09T09:31:43 < dongs> HRTF 2014-09-09T09:32:42 < Jack3k3> emeb_mac, is this on v1 or v2 (i just noticed you have a v2 but im looking at v1) 2014-09-09T09:32:49 < emeb_mac> v1 2014-09-09T09:32:53 < emeb_mac> v2 is similar though 2014-09-09T09:33:41 < Jack3k3> ok, hmm ill have to look through, i made some changes to the pins and im getting data from the codec chip but theres no data being sent to the chip from the mcu 2014-09-09T09:34:12 < emeb_mac> you must be getting direct analog feed-thru 2014-09-09T09:34:25 < emeb_mac> that's possible w/ that codec 2014-09-09T09:35:08 < Jack3k3> what do you mean? (just to clarify I'm not getting any audio output and theres no activity on the MOSI line) 2014-09-09T09:35:12 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-09T09:35:34 < emeb_mac> aha - I thought you meant you were getting audio, but no delay 2014-09-09T09:35:50 < Jack3k3> nah, i wish :p 2014-09-09T09:35:50 < emeb_mac> the codec analog path can be set up to pass line-in -> line out 2014-09-09T09:36:02 < Jack3k3> yeah thats what i figured you meant but wanted to be sure 2014-09-09T09:36:11 < Jack3k3> hmm 2014-09-09T09:37:53 < emeb_mac> so you're getting activity on the ADC serial output of the codec... 2014-09-09T09:38:01 < emeb_mac> do you see it showing up in the MCU? 2014-09-09T09:38:34 < Jack3k3> thats what im going to check next i think, I did want to make sure theres no button press or anyhting required in your code to start sending back the audio? 2014-09-09T09:38:54 < emeb_mac> nope - should just work 2014-09-09T09:38:56 < Jack3k3> i just see something about leds 2014-09-09T09:38:58 < Jack3k3> okay 2014-09-09T09:40:19 < Jack3k3> to be fair im using a stm32f407vgt6, slightly different to yours but they have the same datasheets/pin functions so i think its okay but ill do some more looking 2014-09-09T09:40:40 < emeb_mac> so if you're getting ADC output then you must be seeing SCLK and WS toggling... 2014-09-09T09:40:48 < emeb_mac> and MCLK 2014-09-09T09:41:51 < emeb_mac> 405 and 407 should be pretty much identical except for ethernet - and even that is rumored to work on both 2014-09-09T09:42:18 < Jack3k3> yep SCLK/WS/ADCOUT all work, MCLK isnt used since im using the xtooutput + oscillator to generate that (and yes after some time i figured out that i needed to enable that in the power register :p) 2014-09-09T09:42:47 < emeb_mac> interesting 2014-09-09T09:43:20 < emeb_mac> so you're running the codec as master and the STM32 as slave on I2S? 2014-09-09T09:44:45 < Jack3k3> wel its the same as in your code, master TX for stm32 w/ the extended channel for rx 2014-09-09T09:45:07 < emeb_mac> not sure that'll work 2014-09-09T09:45:30 < Jack3k3> whys that? 2014-09-09T09:45:36 < emeb_mac> if the codec is generating it's own MCLK but the STM32 is master then what keeps them in sync? 2014-09-09T09:46:18 < Jack3k3> mmm true true, let me check the datasheet to see if theres anything about that but yeah probably need to change that 2014-09-09T09:46:21 < emeb_mac> the MCLK/SCLK ratio must be fixed/integer 2014-09-09T09:46:40 < emeb_mac> if the STM32 isn't running at the right ratio then bad things happen 2014-09-09T09:48:27 -!- Theremin [~amir]@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 2014-09-09T09:48:43 < Jack3k3> Yeah I think its okay, they're kept in sync since the WM8731 receives SCLK and then just generates MCLK from that via the ext osc. 2014-09-09T09:48:51 < emeb_mac> nope 2014-09-09T09:48:58 < emeb_mac> that would require a PLL 2014-09-09T09:49:05 < emeb_mac> and that codec has no PLL 2014-09-09T09:49:37 < Jack3k3> oh hmmm, its weird then that it talks agbout using the MCLK to generate but doesnt seem to mention that note, also it shows configurations for slave/master mode and in both the MCLK line is omitted 2014-09-09T09:50:13 < Jack3k3> ah found it 2014-09-09T09:50:30 < Jack3k3> you are very right :) 2014-09-09T09:51:52 < emeb_mac> you'll have to set the codec up as master, the STM32 as slave 2014-09-09T10:01:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T10:02:38 < Jack3k3> so um, if i make the codec master, does that mean I need to give it's MCLK signal to the mcu? 2014-09-09T10:03:28 < emeb_mac> nope 2014-09-09T10:03:41 < emeb_mac> just the sclk, ws, di, do 2014-09-09T10:04:27 < emeb_mac> the I2S port on the STM32 doesn't need MCLK to run - only the codec needs that for its Sigma/Delta converters 2014-09-09T10:04:35 < Jack3k3> ah 2014-09-09T10:05:22 < emeb_mac> the internal serdes of the I2S port gets synced up to the STM32 local clocks 2014-09-09T10:05:23 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T10:05:53 < Jack3k3> okay well, sadly no luck changing the codec to master (i believe the only code changes were changing the wm8731 register to master mode and I2S config to SlaveTx) 2014-09-09T10:07:06 < emeb_mac> yeah - that needs a lot of rework in the I2S setup 2014-09-09T10:07:47 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-09T10:10:29 < Jack3k3> really?all that looked obvious to me was the SlaveTx config, what else is done? 2014-09-09T10:10:44 < Jack3k3> I mean it's not like I2C where theres specific ack procedures for slave vs master 2014-09-09T10:11:11 < emeb_mac> maybe - haven't spent a lot of time fiddling with that aspect 2014-09-09T10:11:49 < Jack3k3> well i might just try to back to MasterTx and rig up the MCLK from the mcu to see if that fixes the problem or not 2014-09-09T10:12:29 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T10:12:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-09T10:16:40 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pmofuspjrnorznmp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-09T10:22:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-09T10:22:54 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-09T10:23:50 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tzwwqvbeegbgosgd] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T10:30:11 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqauczxlnuaeklrd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-09T10:31:45 -!- Jack3k3 [~Jack3k3@184-77-193-196.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-09T10:33:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T10:39:30 -!- Theremin [~amir]@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T10:43:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-09T10:45:45 -!- xata [~xata@142-138.trifle.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T10:50:24 -!- Theremin [~amir]@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 2014-09-09T10:59:17 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T11:00:08 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T11:06:54 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T11:09:28 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-09T11:12:00 < ds2> hmmm it may just be possible to create color NTSC overlays w/o genlocking..... 2014-09-09T11:13:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T11:16:16 < xkonni> trying to write to sdcard from psram. any things i need to take care of? like enabling burst mode? for some reason the SD_WaitOperation() never finishes... SD_DMAEndOfTransferStatus to be exact 2014-09-09T11:16:43 < xkonni> just reading from psram to array, writing that array to sdcard works 2014-09-09T11:17:18 < rewolff> Out of personal interest: What psram chip are you using? 2014-09-09T11:17:45 < rewolff> (alas, I don't have an answer to your question). 2014-09-09T11:20:33 < dongs> isnt there not a lot of choice 2014-09-09T11:21:04 < rewolff> I found an ISSI chip at 64 mbits. 2014-09-09T11:21:19 < rewolff> I was wondering if there were others. 2014-09-09T11:21:26 < dongs> ya was gonna say its issi or micron or something, thats about the only ones ive seen 2014-09-09T11:21:27 < ds2> IIRC, that is the biggest one 2014-09-09T11:21:41 < ds2> Micron doesn't go any bigger 2014-09-09T11:21:52 < ds2> let me check my board just in case 2014-09-09T11:21:58 < dongs> micron has 128m now 2014-09-09T11:22:24 < dongs> lol part status "contact factory" 2014-09-09T11:22:29 < dongs> probably EOL or about to be 2014-09-09T11:22:58 < rewolff> Or... planned, and possibly never released because of lack-of-interest 2014-09-09T11:23:01 < dongs> Description of Change: Micron's PSRAM series P23Z, P24Z, P25Z, and P26Z are being discontinued with 2014-09-09T11:23:04 < dongs> no replacements. 2014-09-09T11:24:07 < rewolff> A small upgrade to your RAM-controller on the chip means you get SDRAM support. 2014-09-09T11:26:05 < ds2> didn't think that was available 2014-09-09T11:26:32 < ds2> I am/was using the 64M part 2014-09-09T11:34:48 < xkonni> rewolff: its the open4 platform, 407 ic 2014-09-09T11:38:14 < xkonni> also, the psram is available via fsmc... so i just pass the address to the SD_WriteMultiBlocks operation 2014-09-09T11:41:27 < dongs> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/sense_power/FM142/CL1854/SC1573 st just spammed me with that 2014-09-09T11:43:10 -!- _Sync_ [~foobar@sync-hv.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-09T11:43:23 -!- _Sync_ [~foobar@sync-hv.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T11:44:48 < scrts_w> automotive! 2014-09-09T11:44:58 < scrts_w> I use LED driver from MAXIM 2014-09-09T11:45:10 < dongs> i use the cheapest one i could find 2014-09-09T11:45:12 < scrts_w> so far works fine... at least on boost converter mode 2014-09-09T11:45:26 < scrts_w> changed to sepic on the second design 2014-09-09T11:47:01 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@18-237.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T11:53:23 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T11:54:58 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T12:00:48 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-09T12:01:00 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@18-237.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-09T12:03:11 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@18-237.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T12:11:22 -!- petus_ [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-09T12:12:36 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-09T12:15:56 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T12:21:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-09T12:22:39 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@18-237.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-09T12:41:57 -!- Simon--_ is now known as Simon-- 2014-09-09T12:45:17 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-09T12:47:23 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T12:51:08 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T12:51:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T12:55:21 < dongs> man 2014-09-09T12:55:29 < dongs> numerical entry for fixing shit in altium = sex 2014-09-09T12:55:39 < dongs> select, move selection by x/y, so awesome 2014-09-09T13:10:17 -!- petus_ [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T13:26:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-09T13:38:07 < qyx_> ok, two hours wasted finding a typo in "sessionDisonnected" 2014-09-09T13:40:03 < dongs> nice 2014-09-09T13:40:13 < dongs> how come you couldnt just read the error messagE? 2014-09-09T13:40:38 < qyx_> because of python 2014-09-09T13:40:42 < qyx_> and lack of abstract methods 2014-09-09T13:41:08 < dongs> shoulda used fuckit 2014-09-09T13:41:22 < dongs> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/fuckit 2014-09-09T13:42:35 < qyx_> lol 2014-09-09T13:43:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T13:44:40 < dongs> assert weight('your mom') > weight('a truck full of McDoubles') 2014-09-09T13:46:54 -!- petus_ [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Odcházím] 2014-09-09T13:47:02 < qyx_> i like the fuckit's license 2014-09-09T13:47:13 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T13:47:22 < dongs> ya theres a few things licensed with that 2014-09-09T13:47:27 < dongs> apparently its a gpl-compatible license 2014-09-09T13:48:54 < karlp> lots of thigns are gpl compatible, 2014-09-09T13:49:12 < karlp> gpl is not compatible with much else though 2014-09-09T13:56:09 < qyx_> http://www.qtcentre.org/archive/index.php/t-1402.html 2014-09-09T13:56:10 < qyx_> hah 2014-09-09T13:57:15 < xkonni> mhhm... are there any things i need to take care of for a dma-transfer from fsmc to sdio? 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2014-09-09T17:24:38 < dongs> cant figure out non-insane way to do this 2014-09-09T17:24:46 < dongs> copying laoyut, snippets are usless. 2014-09-09T17:25:00 < dongs> paste speccail w/keeping designators + nets = useless 2014-09-09T17:26:07 < Claude> oh :/ hm as i said i never tried snippets before , just watched the video and that looked cool 2014-09-09T17:26:29 < Claude> so snippets are useless after all ? 2014-09-09T17:27:00 < dongs> completely 2014-09-09T17:27:13 < dongs> i have no idea how they could work because you cant resync htem back to pcb 2014-09-09T17:27:18 < dongs> unless its a super simple thing 2014-09-09T17:27:22 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-09T17:27:23 < dongs> i *think* i can copy paste layout 2014-09-09T17:27:27 < dongs> then spend like 10 minutes in component linsk 2014-09-09T17:27:30 < dongs> unlink "current" parts 2014-09-09T17:27:34 < dongs> relink to "pasted" parts 2014-09-09T17:27:37 < dongs> then do board update 2014-09-09T17:27:46 < dongs> and it'll reconnect all but holy fuck that would take a year 2014-09-09T17:32:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-09T17:33:59 < Laurenceb> noo 2014-09-09T17:34:00 < Laurenceb> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vulture2spaceplane/balloon-launch-of-the-vulture-2-rocket-powered-spa 2014-09-09T17:34:21 < Laurenceb> i could live on that 2014-09-09T17:36:57 < dongs> haha 2014-09-09T17:37:03 < dongs> it will faillllllll 2014-09-09T17:37:07 < Laurenceb> well durrr 2014-09-09T17:37:27 < dongs> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/vulture2spaceplane/balloon-launch-of-the-vulture-2-rocket-powered-spa/ 2014-09-09T17:37:27 < Laurenceb> even if it "works" their own sims show it flying an amazing... 2014-09-09T17:37:30 < dongs> fuuu 2014-09-09T17:37:30 < Laurenceb> 100meters 2014-09-09T17:37:31 < dongs> maybne not 2014-09-09T17:38:39 < Laurenceb> also its probably going to oscillate out of control, as they havent tested the control loops 2014-09-09T17:38:57 < Laurenceb> and the wings will probably flutter and rip off at the speed it will be going 2014-09-09T17:39:28 < Laurenceb> its a multifail 2014-09-09T17:40:32 < dongs> ahha 2014-09-09T17:40:43 < dongs> failregister 2014-09-09T17:41:37 < Steffanx> Did you tell your friends in #highaltitude Laurenceb? Or arent they there? 2014-09-09T17:43:23 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T17:49:00 < dongs> omfg MTP is absolutely worthless 2014-09-09T17:49:08 < dongs> make new folder: wait 20 minutes 2014-09-09T17:49:27 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T17:49:31 < dongs> rename fodler: 20 more minutes 2014-09-09T17:52:26 < Laurenceb> wtf is MTP? 2014-09-09T17:53:24 < dongs> the bullshit phones connect as 2014-09-09T17:53:29 < dongs> instead of fucking mass storRAGE 2014-09-09T17:54:50 < Laurenceb> oh that 2014-09-09T17:54:53 < Laurenceb> lol 2014-09-09T17:55:30 < karlp> yeah, mtp is teh crap 2014-09-09T17:55:52 < _Sync_> shit still uses mtp? 2014-09-09T17:56:57 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-09T17:56:57 < karlp> more shit than before uses it. 2014-09-09T17:57:02 < dongs> everything fucking uses mtp 2014-09-09T17:57:27 < _Sync_> eww 2014-09-09T17:57:47 < dongs> i think any ~modern phone needs root + some hax to do mass storage 2014-09-09T17:58:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T18:01:11 < qyx_> any wroking convolutional encoder/decoder? 2014-09-09T18:01:22 < qyx_> that viterbi thing 2014-09-09T18:02:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-09T18:02:35 < Laurenceb> spotted dongs 2014-09-09T18:02:36 < Laurenceb> http://beta.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5672073&cid=47861309 2014-09-09T18:02:39 < Laurenceb> nsfw 2014-09-09T18:03:10 < Laurenceb> freeBSD and goat.cx 2014-09-09T18:04:29 < karlp> are you sure that link gos where you think it does? 2014-09-09T18:05:19 < Laurenceb> not going to find out 2014-09-09T18:06:37 < Steffanx> Dont see anything special there. 2014-09-09T18:07:21 < Steffanx> oh that threshold, i dont do slashdot 2014-09-09T18:09:12 < Steffanx> You have your threshold set to -1 so you can read all the crap as well Laurenceb? 2014-09-09T18:09:27 < Laurenceb> of course 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dongs> trying something my altium pal suggested but not sure how well thats gonna work 2014-09-09T20:16:40 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tzwwqvbeegbgosgd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-09T20:30:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.24.182] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T20:33:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T20:38:21 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-09T20:46:35 -!- monique [~monique@unaffiliated/monique] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-09T20:46:50 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-09T20:55:09 < Steffanx>  2014-09-09T20:58:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T20:58:50 -!- fubs [~fbs@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::e5:d001] has quit [Quit: emergency temporal shift] 2014-09-09T21:00:45 < bvernoux> hi 2014-09-09T21:01:35 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db7789f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T21:09:16 < Jack3k3> wtf im having a weird issue 2014-09-09T21:10:13 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-09T21:10:13 < Jack3k3> my i2s2 is setup for 48000 audio frequency, i2s standard philips 16bit with mclk enabled, but my Mclkc output is about 4Mhz 2014-09-09T21:11:12 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T21:12:31 < Jack3k3> Mclk is supposed to be 256*fs so 256*48khz = 12Mhz 2014-09-09T21:12:52 < Jack3k3> any ideas how this is possible? 2014-09-09T21:18:14 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-09T21:19:25 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T21:19:28 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-28-46.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-09T21:19:57 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined 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There’ll be time enough for smoking on the rescue ship, [Johnson] 2014-09-10T00:43:11 < GargantuaSauce> i find it a bit baffling that they could smoke in a submarine 2014-09-10T00:46:20 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:41f1:1d90:6d5:b7a1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T01:02:27 -!- efuentes_ [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:18c3:e69d:d2af:c22e] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T01:05:25 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:41f1:1d90:6d5:b7a1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-10T01:05:28 < qyx_> self inflating boats in 1953? 2014-09-10T01:07:06 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-10T01:07:48 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T01:08:45 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-232-117.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T01:30:45 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T01:31:04 < Laurenceb__> i wish i wasnt 1/4 Scottish :-/ 2014-09-10T01:31:46 < Laurenceb__> country full of psychos 2014-09-10T01:35:45 < englishman> Have you separated yet 2014-09-10T01:37:33 < Laurenceb__> not yet 2014-09-10T01:40:32 < englishman> Will it happen? 2014-09-10T01:41:27 < Laurenceb__> probably :-/ 2014-09-10T01:42:41 < englishman> Bad? But you've hated the english for thousands of years. 2014-09-10T01:44:23 < Laurenceb__> yeah but i live in england :-S 2014-09-10T01:48:42 < BrainDamage> do you get a choice or will you become a foreign citizen and have to apply residence permit? 2014-09-10T01:58:30 < Laurenceb__> of course i dont get a chance 2014-09-10T01:58:37 < Laurenceb__> i was born in england 2014-09-10T02:08:17 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db7789f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T02:13:47 < Steffanx> and does shit really happen when they seperate Laurenceb__? 2014-09-10T02:13:51 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-10T02:13:52 < Steffanx> if not.. what's the problem? 2014-09-10T02:14:43 < Steffanx> *separate 2014-09-10T02:21:55 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-10T02:21:56 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 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2014-09-10T04:00:49 < zyp> so go read that 2014-09-10T04:01:18 < jadew> yeah, I couldn't find much there 2014-09-10T04:01:30 < zyp> huh? 2014-09-10T04:01:41 < jadew> couldn't find the register descriptions 2014-09-10T04:02:07 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T04:02:11 < zyp> have you even checked the architecture reference manual? 2014-09-10T04:02:32 < jadew> yeah, so many categories it's hard to navigate 2014-09-10T04:02:36 < jadew> none called "MPU" 2014-09-10T04:03:29 < jadew> is it the PMSA? 2014-09-10T04:03:38 < zyp> yep 2014-09-10T04:03:48 < jadew> cool, thanks 2014-09-10T04:03:50 < zyp> B3.5 in the copy I have, at least 2014-09-10T04:04:21 < jadew> B4.1 in mine (I got mine from google, didn't feel like registering) 2014-09-10T04:05:06 < zyp> my copy might be old :) 2014-09-10T04:05:35 < jadew> most likely, when you did you start with arm? 2014-09-10T04:08:04 < zyp> three and a half year ago I guess, but I'm not sure the copy is that old :p 2014-09-10T04:08:23 < jadew> neat 2014-09-10T04:09:24 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T04:13:46 < jadew> can you please confirm this for me: once I enable the MPU, I can only access the defined regions. correct? 2014-09-10T04:14:23 < jadew> unless I'm running in privileged mode and the background region is active 2014-09-10T04:15:49 < zyp> well, I've never used the MPU myself, so I'd have to look up the details 2014-09-10T04:15:53 < zyp> but it sounds right 2014-09-10T04:16:02 < jadew> no worries 2014-09-10T04:16:03 < jadew> thanks 2014-09-10T04:21:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-10T04:27:36 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T04:37:28 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-17-178.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T04:38:04 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T04:39:57 -!- talsit_roam 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2014-09-10T05:35:11 < dongs> seems not possible 2014-09-10T05:35:21 < dongs> cant copy layout in any resonable way 2014-09-10T05:37:06 < dongs> ffff 2014-09-10T05:38:11 < zyp> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Design+Snippets 2014-09-10T05:38:23 < zyp> «Circuitry in a PCB design, including the components and the routing» 2014-09-10T05:39:20 < zyp> ok 2014-09-10T05:39:40 < gxti> there's no sense arguing zyp, clearly altium is not Real Pro Tools 2014-09-10T05:39:50 < zyp> I'm not arguing 2014-09-10T05:39:59 < gxti> :p 2014-09-10T05:40:22 < gxti> so we gathered 2014-09-10T05:48:58 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-10T05:53:57 < dongs> zyp: design snippets are fucking USELESS 2014-09-10T05:54:16 < zyp> how so? 2014-09-10T05:54:21 < dongs> they dont work 2014-09-10T05:54:40 < dongs> you can already copypaste schematic and layout, just by opening sch/pcb 2014-09-10T05:54:51 < zyp> I'm pretty sure the feature wouldn't exist if it doesn't work 2014-09-10T05:54:58 < dongs> problem is, pasting them fucks designator and nets (you can choose to ignroe both), but still doesnt solve the problem 2014-09-10T05:55:12 < dongs> zyp, its useless for the actual problem of pasting a working circuit block 2014-09-10T05:55:21 < dongs> thats already been laidout. 2014-09-10T05:56:17 < dongs> i dont need snippet to open a schematic with dc/dc on it, selecting all, and pasting into new sheet 2014-09-10T05:56:24 < jadew> how would it know that the pasted block has to be mapped to different parts from the schematic? 2014-09-10T05:56:28 < zyp> sure 2014-09-10T05:56:30 < dongs> i also dont need snippet for copying same block layout and pasting it into new board BUT 2014-09-10T05:56:40 < dongs> if I do that, designators = useless 2014-09-10T05:56:46 < dongs> so i either have to spend like 30 minutes in component links 2014-09-10T05:56:51 < dongs> to match by part name/value/size 2014-09-10T05:56:58 < dongs> or I dunno, but I haven't found any non-insane way of using it 2014-09-10T05:57:05 < gxti> so how do you imagine it working 2014-09-10T05:57:13 < dongs> no idea, how do YOU imagine it working? 2014-09-10T05:57:14 < jadew> dongs, wouldn't the tracks still preserve their original nets? 2014-09-10T05:57:21 < dongs> the only way it'll work is if you use separate designator for all your blocks 2014-09-10T05:57:28 < dongs> i.e. C1xx C2xx C3xx etc 2014-09-10T05:57:35 < dongs> so your power supply blocks would be like C301, C302 etc 2014-09-10T05:57:39 < dongs> and it wouldnt clash with any other existing shit 2014-09-10T05:57:45 < gxti> jadew: usually when you paste stuff in altium it clears all the nets and reassigns them based on what you dropped it onto 2014-09-10T05:57:52 < gxti> although there's a 'paste special' that turns that off 2014-09-10T05:57:53 < dongs> gxti: you can make it ignore that 2014-09-10T05:57:56 < dongs> yeah 2014-09-10T05:58:01 < jadew> gxti, ah, nice 2014-09-10T05:58:04 < gxti> but it's not like you want 3 blocks with the exact same nets 2014-09-10T05:58:17 < dongs> i am not talking about copying same block across same deisgn 2014-09-10T05:58:17 < gxti> so i don't know how you would intelligently remap it to different nets including 5 million tiny track segments 2014-09-10T05:58:21 < dongs> thats what rooms is for and it works great for that 2014-09-10T05:58:31 < gxti> i wouldn't say it works great, but it works 2014-09-10T05:58:56 < dongs> im talking about taking existing layout blocks I always use like LDO, DCDC, etc, and being able to reuse them across several designs 2014-09-10T05:59:03 < dongs> only changing perhaps R1/R2 for DDCDC for example 2014-09-10T05:59:06 < dongs> to adjust output voltage 2014-09-10T06:00:00 < dongs> gxti: how do YOU suppose snippets work? 2014-09-10T06:00:09 < gxti> dunno, too lazy to find out 2014-09-10T06:01:27 < dongs> this is rooms 2014-09-10T06:01:30 < dongs> across same design 2014-09-10T06:03:07 < dongs> whoa, 3d zoom through layers is nice 2014-09-10T06:06:43 < jadew> how much is allegro? 2014-09-10T06:09:29 < jadew> well, OrCAD is cheaper than Altium anyway 2014-09-10T06:10:13 < dongs> verical is pretty fast 2014-09-10T06:10:18 < zyp> dongs, altium also has that 3d stuff 2014-09-10T06:10:22 < dongs> ordered last inight,already shipped 2014-09-10T06:10:24 < dongs> zyp, not for layers 2014-09-10T06:10:28 < zyp> sure it does 2014-09-10T06:10:29 < jadew> heh, you sure don't like Altium eh? sadly I never used OrCAD or Allegro 2014-09-10T06:10:31 < zyp> «3d layer colors» 2014-09-10T06:10:37 < jadew> zyp, it doesn't have it like that I believe 2014-09-10T06:10:37 < dongs> pfft 2014-09-10T06:10:48 < jadew> at least not the version I used 2014-09-10T06:13:02 < jadew> I find it amazing that software that expensive actually sells 2014-09-10T06:13:43 < zyp> why? 2014-09-10T06:14:14 < jadew> because it's such a small market 2014-09-10T06:15:10 < jadew> setting such a high price must scare away a very high percentage of the market 2014-09-10T06:16:23 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-10T06:16:25 < zyp> remember that man hours are expensive 2014-09-10T06:16:49 < jadew> zyp, yeah, but it seems like a weird strategy of getting the investment back 2014-09-10T06:17:03 < gxti> rofl, again with the drc 2014-09-10T06:17:14 < zyp> software that'll save you a bunch of man hours is easily worth thousands 2014-09-10T06:17:34 < gxti> if you say so 2014-09-10T06:17:35 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T06:17:40 < jadew> zyp, yeah, I guess you're right 2014-09-10T06:17:42 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-10T06:17:57 < gxti> jadew: the microeconomics of business is not always immediately obvious 2014-09-10T06:17:59 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T06:18:35 -!- emeb_mac 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2014-09-10T08:36:18 < dongs> i was just wondering if i was gonna need some special shit for like... 8 difflanes 2014-09-10T08:36:25 < dongs> but seems it'll work on anything 2014-09-10T08:39:00 < emeb_mac> I've not used the I/O serdes yet so I don't know what the downsides are 2014-09-10T08:39:17 < emeb_mac> I suspect you've got to be careful with clocking and timing closure 2014-09-10T08:39:28 < emeb_mac> but that's usually not a huge deal 2014-09-10T08:48:08 < dongs> i have to do 8:1 thing so i'm supposed to use a master/slave serdes, will have to read if that means cant use adjacent pins or wat 2014-09-10T08:48:19 < dongs> theres probly appnote on it, i just started gathering all teh shit to read so it's probly ther somewehre 2014-09-10T08:56:54 < emeb_mac> probably 2014-09-10T08:56:57 < emeb_mac> lots to learn 2014-09-10T09:07:12 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-10T09:12:01 < dongs> my fpga dude will handle it. it should be very little of actual code 2014-09-10T09:12:09 < dongs> just moving some bits around and outputting htem 2014-09-10T09:14:51 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-10T09:19:20 < emeb_mac> ya - choose I/O carefully here - some pinouts won't work 2014-09-10T09:21:10 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T09:21:44 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db7789f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T09:23:22 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231069284665 haha 2014-09-10T09:24:06 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-10T09:24:20 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T09:27:54 -!- Guest18660 [~monique@93-139-64-29.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-10T09:28:52 < emeb_mac> cute 2014-09-10T09:29:15 < dongs> its for ps3hax 2014-09-10T09:44:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T09:49:51 -!- Abhishek__ 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windows and it doesnt have network time, what date does it reset to? 2014-09-10T15:07:35 < Laurenceb> win xp i think 2014-09-10T15:08:06 < Laurenceb> or is it all just bios related? 2014-09-10T15:09:20 < jpa-> it resets to what you reset it to 2014-09-10T15:09:47 < jpa-> if you mean bios battery fail, it depends on bios 2014-09-10T15:10:09 < jpa-> wouldn't explain time being correct 2014-09-10T15:10:33 < Laurenceb> unless someone noticed and reset the time manually 2014-09-10T15:17:38 < BrainDamage> jpa-: use pearson's chi squared test or any similar chi squared 2014-09-10T15:22:11 < jpa-> BrainDamage: hmm.. does that always require dividing the data to bins? 2014-09-10T15:22:25 < jpa-> choosing the bin sizes could be problematic in this case 2014-09-10T15:26:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-10T15:28:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T15:29:17 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit 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I seem to have loaded the code wrong 2014-09-10T16:05:29 < jadew> which is weird, because I have the exact byte code from the bin file 2014-09-10T16:05:38 < jadew> but it translates to different instructions 2014-09-10T16:08:24 < dongs> hm tracked down schematic for http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/canton-electronics/TB/TB299_10_zps1757b1cc.jpg 2014-09-10T16:08:32 < dongs> now i wonder what the pitch is.. 2014-09-10T16:08:36 < dongs> think they made it on 2.54mm grid? 2014-09-10T16:10:19 < dongs> pitch between 2 connectors, obviously 2014-09-10T16:10:55 < qyx_> load into bitmap editor, change perspective 2014-09-10T16:11:02 < qyx_> measure 2.54mm length 2014-09-10T16:11:10 < qyx_> then measure puitch :X 2014-09-10T16:11:16 < dongs> im doing evne better 2014-09-10T16:11:29 < dongs> https://github.com/hzeller/augenmass 2014-09-10T16:11:30 < dongs> opening in this 2014-09-10T16:12:08 < Steffanx> browsers sores :o 2014-09-10T16:12:21 < qyx_> does it change perspective? 2014-09-10T16:12:58 < dongs> no but one of the pics is close enough 2014-09-10T16:14:05 < Steffanx> shouldnt be that hard to add something to that to transform the image 2014-09-10T16:14:11 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2014-09-10T16:15:00 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T16:16:31 < dongs> apparently its 17*2.54 2014-09-10T16:18:45 < jadew> ok... so any instruction I'm tryint to run from RAM, ends up in an exception 2014-09-10T16:18:55 < jadew> any ideas on why this might happen? 2014-09-10T16:19:06 < jadew> the RAM type doesn't seem to make a difference 2014-09-10T16:19:54 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-10T16:20:58 < dongs> fuck 2014-09-10T16:21:06 < dongs> 50x65 board does NOT make a 2.54mm grid... 2014-09-10T16:21:06 < dongs> hmm 2014-09-10T16:22:57 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has 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2014-09-10T16:28:37 < dongs> IF the dimension is correc.t i dunno. 2014-09-10T16:28:47 < dongs> asked china for outline drawing, not holding breath 2014-09-10T16:29:04 < Claude> looks like a chinese board to me , so well correct dimensions are relative 2014-09-10T16:29:16 < dongs> rite 2014-09-10T16:30:06 < Claude> some weeks ago i found a chinese forum where these ebay devboard layouts are shared , maybe you have some luck finding the gerbers or cad files for this board too? 2014-09-10T16:32:51 < dongs> wvshare juarez layouts 2014-09-10T16:33:05 < dongs> the board 'name" is tb299, i am not finding shit related to it tho 2014-09-10T16:33:06 < rewolff1> Dongs, 50mm is about two inches.... Two inches is 50.8mm. So we sometimes move the outline of the board to 0.4mm, so that 1.000" is the middle of the board..... 2014-09-10T16:33:08 < dongs> other htan a couple random ebay links 2014-09-10T16:33:47 < Claude> http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/canton-electronics/TB/TB299_17_zps13179f21.jpg 2014-09-10T16:33:57 < dongs> its ok, i think my drawing is close enough. tho i suppose i should check a known dimension and see if it matches the 50 2014-09-10T16:33:59 < Claude> found the backside of the pcb 2014-09-10T16:35:03 < rewolff1> Ehh. The arduino connectors on one side are not on a 0.1 " grid. 2014-09-10T16:35:20 < rewolff1> So a single connector can NEVER fit an arduino as a shield. 2014-09-10T16:36:18 < dongs> Claude: mean? 2014-09-10T16:36:26 < dongs> ya backside 2014-09-10T16:36:33 < dongs> there's another pic thats near xilinx programmer 2014-09-10T16:36:37 < dongs> thats the one i sued for reference 2014-09-10T16:36:40 < dongs> since its mostly flat 2014-09-10T16:37:27 < dongs> http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/ae326/canton-electronics/TB/TB299_15_zpse40434c7.jpg 2014-09-10T16:40:12 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cCAE7653E.static.as2116.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-10T16:40:16 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T16:42:40 -!- Fleck [~fleck@unaffiliated/fleck] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-10T16:43:37 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:81c3:5e78:5292:4b5c] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-10T16:44:05 -!- Fleck [~fleck@unaffiliated/fleck] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T16:44:18 < dongs> oh hey chinaman replied 2014-09-10T16:44:30 < dongs> blah 2014-09-10T16:44:32 < dongs> with schematic 2014-09-10T16:44:33 < dongs> which i already had 2014-09-10T16:48:42 < Claude> i tried the augenmass tool (which is quite nice!) and get also a value around 17*2.54mm 2014-09-10T16:49:24 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T16:49:31 < Claude> 16.68 in fact 2014-09-10T16:50:21 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T16:50:37 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.125.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-10T16:57:12 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T16:58:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T16:58:12 < kakeman> is it bad idea to put crystal right under mcu? 2014-09-10T16:58:47 < kakeman> oh 2014-09-10T16:59:39 < kakeman> I just remembered that mcu has pad and groundplane in middle 2014-09-10T16:59:52 < dongs> ur a groundpad 2014-09-10T16:59:58 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:b036:2666:e732:f2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T17:00:04 < kakeman> ye 2014-09-10T17:02:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T17:06:43 < kakeman> drawing ext. board for raspi 2014-09-10T17:06:56 < kakeman> rtc clock 2014-09-10T17:07:08 < kakeman> level shifter for i2c 2014-09-10T17:07:26 < kakeman> rs232 with db9 connector 2014-09-10T17:07:44 < dongs> 1986 called 2014-09-10T17:07:59 < kakeman> and 5v step-down power supply 2014-09-10T17:08:13 < kakeman> with dc plug connector 2014-09-10T17:08:29 < kakeman> is it mistake to put db9 there dongs ? 2014-09-10T17:08:44 < kakeman> or rs232 tranceiver 2014-09-10T17:10:57 < kakeman> not going to populate those but better have than not hav 2014-09-10T17:11:34 < Steffanx> usb ;) 2014-09-10T17:12:05 < dongs> add stm32 on there 2014-09-10T17:12:14 < dongs> maybe it'll be the only chip more useful than entire board its mounted to 2014-09-10T17:12:47 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-10T17:13:52 < kakeman> stm32 coprocessor 2014-09-10T17:14:06 < kakeman> do all stuff there 2014-09-10T17:15:02 < kakeman> any good replacement for raspi? 2014-09-10T17:15:04 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T17:15:13 < dongs> yes not having it 2014-09-10T17:15:17 < kakeman> yes 2014-09-10T17:15:19 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-usetyborkaimjfzo] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T17:15:22 < kakeman> i regret 2014-09-10T17:15:35 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161335155016 bought this 2014-09-10T17:15:36 < Steffanx> Get this new intel thingy. Almost sd card sized. 2014-09-10T17:15:39 < dongs> i wonder what aids is inside 2014-09-10T17:16:15 < dongs> maybe just 98 leds in series?? 2014-09-10T17:16:20 < dongs> direct to AC 2014-09-10T17:16:21 < kakeman> anyone aids here? 2014-09-10T17:16:28 < kakeman> :D 2014-09-10T17:16:56 < Steffanx> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/edison.html .. it's for Makers. 2014-09-10T17:17:39 < kakeman> I need some linux boards I guess 2014-09-10T17:17:49 < kakeman> with ethernet and GPiO 2014-09-10T17:18:27 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:b036:2666:e732:f2] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-10T17:18:53 < rewolff1> What would be the deal here? 2014-09-10T17:18:53 < rewolff1> Sells for $15+$4 shipping on ebay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALTERA-EP1S30F780C6-BGA-Stratix-FPGA-30K-FBGA-780-/360998079135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item540d298a9f 2014-09-10T17:18:53 < rewolff1> .... and for around EUR 600 on a "normal" electronics supplier: http://nl.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=ep1s30&Ns=Pricing%7c0&FS=True 2014-09-10T17:19:35 < kakeman> 12EUR 2014-09-10T17:19:37 < kakeman> wat 2014-09-10T17:19:45 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-45-167-67.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-10T17:19:53 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-10T17:20:04 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T17:20:07 < kakeman> somebody try one 2014-09-10T17:20:24 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@191.255.13.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-10T17:21:01 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T17:21:21 -!- LZZ [~LZZ@191.255.13.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-10T17:21:22 < kakeman> I guess those chips have not passed quality control or something 2014-09-10T17:21:33 < Steffanx> Not the only one who sells it for prices much lower than the 600e. 2014-09-10T17:22:44 < kakeman> maybe it's altera trying to hook potential customers with free chips 2014-09-10T17:23:20 < kakeman> have some taste of brutal fpga power 2014-09-10T17:28:46 < kakeman> 1850EUR chip 2014-09-10T17:28:51 < kakeman> yammi 2014-09-10T17:29:05 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T17:29:10 < Steffanx> Lunch time, kakeman 2014-09-10T17:29:39 < kakeman> just ate 2014-09-10T17:29:46 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-10T17:31:21 < dongs> more like kukman 2014-09-10T17:33:46 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T17:33:52 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-10T17:33:55 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T17:38:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T17:56:02 < scrts_w> rewolff1: stratix 1 is OLD 2014-09-10T17:56:04 < scrts_w> forget it 2014-09-10T17:56:16 < scrts_w> the price on mouser is because of support to old devices 2014-09-10T17:56:46 < rewolff1> Hmm. 2014-09-10T17:57:23 < rewolff1> But also on Ebay sometimes you see "high prices" just because they know that people who buy it will "NEED" it... 2014-09-10T18:04:32 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.27.91.206] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T18:06:40 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207-47-240-213.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T18:07:20 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@86.125.228.95] has quit [] 2014-09-10T18:12:14 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-10T18:14:31 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-232-117.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: ] 2014-09-10T18:16:37 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T18:21:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-232-117.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T18:25:42 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T18:26:12 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T18:30:33 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2014-09-10T18:30:56 < jadew> so... any ideas why running even 1 instruction from RAM would throw me into the default exception handler? 2014-09-10T18:31:21 < jadew> the MPU is off 2014-09-10T18:36:43 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T18:38:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-10T18:45:50 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T18:47:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T18:57:03 < Tectu_> jpa- ? 2014-09-10T18:58:10 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-10T18:58:26 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-10T18:59:24 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@200.206.160.148] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T19:00:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T19:06:12 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@200.206.160.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-10T19:06:42 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-10T19:09:04 < karlp> jadew: what exception? 2014-09-10T19:10:27 < jadew> karlp, that's the thing I can't figure out 2014-09-10T19:15:36 < Steffanx> gdb jadew? Perhaps this script can help you a bit? http://codepad.org/5tJwUjik 2014-09-10T19:16:16 < jadew> neat, thanks Steffanx 2014-09-10T19:23:30 < karlp> hrm, htat's not in my snippets repo somehow, I guess I always know how to find it. 2014-09-10T19:24:10 < Steffanx> yes it is karlp 2014-09-10T19:24:30 < karlp> not here: https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips 2014-09-10T19:24:37 < Steffanx> or maybe not in your usual snipped box 2014-09-10T19:24:49 < Steffanx> maybe because this is a zippesnips 2014-09-10T19:25:00 < karlp> it is here though: http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/zippe-armv7m-vecstate.gdb 2014-09-10T19:25:08 < karlp> yeah, zypsnips isn't really zyp only anymore... 2014-09-10T19:25:19 < karlp> and I only add things to it when I remember 2014-09-10T19:25:25 < karlp> there's lots of nuggets that aren't there 2014-09-10T19:26:08 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207-47-240-213.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-10T19:26:18 < karlp> like https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/crystal-load-wisdom.txt is missing the actuall "how do I calculate crystal loads properly anyway?" details... 2014-09-10T19:28:40 < jadew> it's a hard fault 2014-09-10T19:29:04 < Steffanx> Too bad when you google for answer too that you will find different formulas to calculate the load capacitors. 2014-09-10T19:29:38 < Steffanx> argh.. that sentence 2014-09-10T19:30:10 < Steffanx> *Too bad when you google for an answer you will find different formulas to calculate the load capacitors. 2014-09-10T19:31:03 < karlp> jadew: clearly it was a hard fault, the question was the cause of it :) 2014-09-10T19:31:20 < karlp> anyone know any testing tools that can insert random delays into your code? 2014-09-10T19:31:54 < jadew> make an ISR that does that 2014-09-10T19:32:21 < jadew> hook it up to a timer and reset the counter to something random each time 2014-09-10T19:32:29 < jadew> then have a random delay inside the ISR 2014-09-10T19:32:47 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-10T19:33:33 < jadew> how do I run a macro? (I'm a gdb noob) 2014-09-10T19:33:48 < karlp> jadew: no, I'm looking more for blackbox binary app testing. 2014-09-10T19:34:11 < karlp> also, not really stm32 related :) 2014-09-10T19:34:26 < Tectu_> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Women-Self-Adhesive-Push-Up-Silicone-Bust-Front-Closure-Strapless-Invisible-Bra/1722654457.html?spm=5261.7132366.1998156808.3 2014-09-10T19:34:47 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-10T19:34:48 < Tectu_> "Style: Sexy" 2014-09-10T19:34:56 < jadew> the link name is more interesting 2014-09-10T19:35:12 < jadew> "Free shipping women" :D 2014-09-10T19:35:55 < GargantuaSauce> jadew: i think you need to compile with -g2 or -g3 to get macros available in gdb, not 100% sure 2014-09-10T19:36:40 < jadew> GargantuaSauce, I don't think that's necesary (maybe they're not called macros and I'm confusing everyone) 2014-09-10T19:36:52 < jadew> I want to run the script Steffanx gave me 2014-09-10T19:37:07 < Tectu_> GargantuaSauce, isn't it -ggdb? 2014-09-10T19:38:08 < GargantuaSauce> -gsomething, but yeah i am thinking of #define macros and not gdb scripts! 2014-09-10T19:38:32 < GargantuaSauce> source is the command you're looking for jadew 2014-09-10T19:38:37 < jadew> thanks! 2014-09-10T19:39:24 < jadew> makes sense, because it doesn't make you think it might be related to your actual program's source files 2014-09-10T19:39:58 < GargantuaSauce> apropos is your friend 2014-09-10T19:40:23 < jadew> nice, thanks 2014-09-10T19:41:38 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-10T19:41:42 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T19:41:47 < jadew> aweseome 2014-09-10T19:41:50 < jadew> that script is great 2014-09-10T19:42:00 < karlp> thank zippe next time you see him. 2014-09-10T19:42:20 < jadew> don't think I ever saw him around 2014-09-10T19:42:23 < karlp> and just drop it into your ~/.gdbinit like this, and always have it at your fingertips: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/132500/10367279/ 2014-09-10T19:42:38 < karlp> well, the bits of that that relevant to you 2014-09-10T19:42:40 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-10T19:42:45 < jadew> thanks 2014-09-10T19:42:58 < karlp> kkload is redundant in current oocd iirc. 2014-09-10T19:43:36 < jadew> BusFault: during instruction prefetch 2014-09-10T19:43:52 < GargantuaSauce> alignment? 2014-09-10T19:44:21 < karlp> ccm rcc clock enabled? 2014-09-10T19:44:28 < jadew> don't think so, the instructions get unwinded properly 2014-09-10T19:44:45 < jadew> karlp, oh, didn't know you need to enable the CCM clock 2014-09-10T19:46:40 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-usetyborkaimjfzo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-10T19:47:50 < jadew> enabled it, same issue (the code is in the CCM) 2014-09-10T19:48:04 < GargantuaSauce> woo got my pcbs 2014-09-10T19:48:24 -!- kakeman [kakeman@sienimetsa.wtf] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-10T19:51:37 < synic> what's the equivalent of "mon reset halt" on the BMP? 2014-09-10T19:54:03 < GargantuaSauce> everything seems so small on the damn thing when it's in my hand. spent way too much time staring at it filling my screen 2014-09-10T19:57:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-10T20:00:53 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-10T20:00:54 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:03:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.125] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:05:22 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-10T20:08:23 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@98.223.189.47] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:10:29 -!- edmont [~edmont@router.cedint.upm.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T20:13:27 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:15:30 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@98.223.189.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-10T20:18:10 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-10T20:18:12 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:24:58 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-10T20:26:04 < jadew> I don't think it's possible to run code from the CCM, especially since the datasheet says "CCM data RAM" 2014-09-10T20:26:48 < jadew> I suppose that's ST's way of telling us it doesn't execute code. 2014-09-10T20:27:12 < Steffanx> When clive1 says you cannot do it, you cannot do it :P 2014-09-10T20:27:34 < jadew> heh 2014-09-10T20:27:40 < jadew> I actually read his posts 2014-09-10T20:27:57 < jpa-> yes, the Figure 1 in reference manual clearly shows that CCM is not hooked up to IBUS 2014-09-10T20:28:26 < jadew> you're right 2014-09-10T20:28:55 < jadew> well, problem is I can't run it from SRAM1 either 2014-09-10T20:29:53 < jadew> but I'm getting a different exception: Usage Fault 2014-09-10T20:31:17 < jpa-> forgot to set lsb to 1? 2014-09-10T20:31:35 < jadew> which lsb? 2014-09-10T20:31:43 < jadew> oh 2014-09-10T20:31:44 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:31:45 < jadew> in the jump 2014-09-10T20:31:47 < jadew> doh... 2014-09-10T20:32:25 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T20:32:25 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T20:32:35 < jadew> it works! 2014-09-10T20:32:37 < jadew> thank you 2014-09-10T20:34:43 < jpa-> np 2014-09-10T20:34:57 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-10T20:34:59 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:39:47 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:42:15 < efuentes> hi all 2014-09-10T20:42:26 < efuentes> I'm running into an issue debugging an stm32l0 2014-09-10T20:42:55 < efuentes> I'm stepping through and gdb seems to hang 2014-09-10T20:43:14 < efuentes> I try sending a ctrl-c, but it remains unresponsive 2014-09-10T20:43:29 < efuentes> the only way to recover is to kill gdb and start up again 2014-09-10T20:44:33 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T20:45:30 -!- Jack3k3 [~Jack3k3@184-77-193-196.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:46:41 < Rickta59> ls 2014-09-10T20:46:44 < Rickta59> bleh 2014-09-10T20:51:09 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T20:58:00 < PaulFertser> efuentes: try single-instruction stepping then. 2014-09-10T21:04:02 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db7789f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T21:07:10 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T21:22:13 -!- kakeman [kakeman@sienimetsa.wtf] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T21:24:58 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-10T21:25:12 < Jack3k3> hey emeb what exactly do the pots do in your codec example? 2014-09-10T21:25:40 < emeb> Jack3k3: IIRC one controls wet/dry mix, the other controls delay feedback 2014-09-10T21:25:51 < emeb> only 2 used atm 2014-09-10T21:29:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-10T21:31:16 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T21:31:44 < Jack3k3> emeb: hm ok ill have to rework that a bit. also i noticed youre using PB6/PB7 as activity flags throughout, was that just because you used it for communicating/debuggin with your ftdi serial? 2014-09-10T21:32:42 < emeb> no 2014-09-10T21:33:12 < emeb> I use activity flags to check realtime behavior on a 'scope 2014-09-10T21:33:23 < emeb> shows IRQ activity, etc. 2014-09-10T21:33:35 < Jack3k3> ah ok makes sense 2014-09-10T21:33:49 < GargantuaSauce> best profiling tool ever 2014-09-10T21:35:51 < GargantuaSauce> http://imgur.com/a/dRhv1 dirtypcbs came in, i am pretty pleased 2014-09-10T21:37:29 < qyx_> flexi pcb? 2014-09-10T21:37:37 < Jack3k3> emeb so that shows one problem I guess, I'm not getting activation of those activity flags in the DMA1_stream3 irqhandler. so despite the being sent data its not generating an interrupt :o 2014-09-10T21:37:56 < GargantuaSauce> nope rigid 2014-09-10T21:38:09 < GargantuaSauce> the colours are weird because of my shitty usb microscope 2014-09-10T21:38:17 < emeb> Jack3k3: that's definitely a problem 2014-09-10T21:45:56 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T21:48:12 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-10T21:51:38 < Jack3k3> emeb, probably a noob question but how do you find the two peripheral base addresses for the DMA config, they're defined in codec.h as CODEC_I2S_ADDRESS 0x4000380C and CODECI2S_EXT_ADDRESS 0x400340C, I'mm just wondering since the pins I'm using for the I2S are different from yours but Im not sure it matters since it's still I2S2/SPI2 & on the same DMA1 & same stream/channels 2014-09-10T21:52:06 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-10T21:52:24 < emeb> changing pins doesn't change the address as long as its the same peripheral 2014-09-10T21:52:37 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T21:52:45 < emeb> but you can get the address from the stm32f4xx.h file - takes a bit of math but it's there. 2014-09-10T21:53:08 < Jack3k3> okay thanks 2014-09-10T21:53:09 < emeb> also you can just get the compiler to figure out the value using & and the periph reg struct 2014-09-10T21:53:21 < Jack3k3> yeah 2014-09-10T21:53:30 < emeb> I usually do that, but ST's example code always hard-codes the addr 2014-09-10T21:53:35 < emeb> dunno why 2014-09-10T21:56:25 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T21:57:52 < Jack3k3> ah well I did find one retarded mistake, where I messing around with the dma I forgot to revert one of the channels back, so fixed that and now the activity flag is trigerring however still no I2S output from the mcu,, getting closer though 2014-09-10T22:02:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T22:02:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-10T22:06:05 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T22:06:08 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-10T22:11:52 < Thorn> http://www.righto.com/2014/09/reverse-engineering-counterfeit-7805.html 2014-09-10T22:12:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-10T22:16:46 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Odcházím] 2014-09-10T22:17:33 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-10T22:21:07 -!- CoolBear [~hightower@ti0069a400-0303.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-10T22:38:34 < Jack3k3> Hmm any ideas on debugging this, I'm using PC2 as my MISO/I2S2_SDIext with DMA1 Stream3 Chan3, and PC3 as MOSI/I2S2_SDO. 2014-09-10T22:39:24 < Jack3k3> I've verified DMA1_Stream3_IRQHandler is triggering, I've also verified, I2S_RX_Callback is triggering 2014-09-10T22:42:28 < Jack3k3> no output on PC3 (although i guess it looks a little noisy) I've veririfed my board has no other connections on PC3 also. I've triple checked the I2S2 config ensuring the clocks configured correctly, im in MasterTx mode, etc 2014-09-10T22:50:50 < Jack3k3> also verified that its not sending anything on PC3 at startup and then just stopping.. theres just never anything happeningon PC3 2014-09-10T22:57:22 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T23:02:35 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T23:02:55 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T23:05:19 < Jack3k3> Ok I also verified that if I can manually transmit data via SPI2->DR inside the DMA1_Stream3_IRQHandler interrupt 2014-09-10T23:05:33 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-10T23:05:35 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T23:06:50 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-10T23:06:57 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-10T23:08:27 < Jack3k3> so im guessing the issue is either A) the dma not transferring TX data to the SPI2 correctly or B) the data being transferred is all zeros so Im not getting a signal 2014-09-10T23:10:40 -!- Guest19842 is now known as phantoxeD 2014-09-10T23:20:48 < GargantuaSauce> well you can distinguish between the two by looking for a clock signal, unless the mcu is the slave (haven't been following your plight) 2014-09-10T23:21:09 < GargantuaSauce> oh you did say mastertx 2014-09-10T23:21:53 < Jack3k3> what clock signal do you mean? 2014-09-10T23:22:06 < GargantuaSauce> the i2s/spi clock? 2014-09-10T23:23:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-10T23:24:09 < Jack3k3> im not sure how that will tell me, since the mcu is master its sending WSS/MCLK/SCLK to the chip at all times 2014-09-10T23:24:45 < GargantuaSauce> oh thought it only clocked while you're sending out data. not too familiar with i2s 2014-09-10T23:25:19 < Jack3k3> well it might, but that wont matter since it has to provide those signals all the time for the codec chip since it uses them to send I2S data back to themcu 2014-09-10T23:26:14 < Jack3k3> anyway, i wonder if theres a way to monitor if the SPI2 data register is ever written too (even if the contents remain 0) 2014-09-10T23:26:23 < Jack3k3> perhaps I should monitor the TXE flag 2014-09-10T23:29:01 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-10T23:31:36 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T23:45:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T23:49:49 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-10T23:54:32 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-10T23:58:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-10T23:58:39 < Jack3k3> Okay what I'm seeing is that the TXE flag is always Set ( i used an pin toggle to check with scope) 2014-09-10T23:58:53 < Jack3k3> so can someone confirm this means the SPI2 data register is never being set by the DMA? --- Day changed Thu Sep 11 2014 2014-09-11T00:00:45 < Jack3k3> nvm , datasheet confirms, "clearing the txe bit is performed by writing to the spi_dr register" 2014-09-11T00:07:31 < baird> Average Australian woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRqfRkWEt_Y 2014-09-11T00:09:51 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2014-09-11T00:15:20 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-11T00:15:23 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T00:16:41 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T00:19:01 < ossifrage> qyx_, I thought it was a flex pcb as well and didn't understand why I could find any reference to dirtypcbs doing flex 2014-09-11T00:22:37 < Jack3k3> emeb can you confirm something, I was looking at the alternate function multiplexer table in the datasheet, You used PB14 for I2S2ext_SD and in your code you use AF5 for that pin 2014-09-11T00:22:52 < Jack3k3> but the table shows that for PB14, AF5 is SPI2_MISO, and AF6 is I2S2ext_SD 2014-09-11T00:23:07 < Jack3k3> is this correct that you mapped it to SPI2_MISO? 2014-09-11T00:25:49 < emeb> checking 2014-09-11T00:28:01 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-105-126.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T00:38:01 < emeb> that's correct. all my code shows SPI2 AF and it all works. 2014-09-11T00:39:30 < Jack3k3> okay, just seemed a little weird since it seems like you're actually using the i2s2 but if it works it works 2014-09-11T00:40:10 < Jack3k3> so i guess im pretty sure the issue is that the dma is f'd up somehow and not ever writing data to spi2->dr 2014-09-11T00:52:34 < jadew> are there any general purpose interrupts? 2014-09-11T00:53:00 < jadew> I'm looking for an interrupt to use to switch between privileged and unprivileged code 2014-09-11T00:53:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-11T00:53:42 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-11T00:54:28 < jadew> should I just use the svc one? was looking for one that can't be triggered by unprivileged code 2014-09-11T00:55:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T01:02:26 < jadew> dongs, how much did you pay for that spartan 6 board? 2014-09-11T01:08:26 < qyx_> scope bandwidth shouldn't alter measured trigger freq, correct? 2014-09-11T01:09:15 < qyx_> i have 30MHz scope only, it measures 16MHz xtal as 16MHz, but 32MHz xtal as 31.87MHz 2014-09-11T01:09:54 < jadew> it's probably 31.8 then 2014-09-11T01:11:00 < qyx_> 31.986 on another board, wtf 2014-09-11T01:11:12 < qyx_> 31.865 on third one 2014-09-11T01:11:30 < jadew> qyx_, what's the crystal tollerance? 2014-09-11T01:11:33 < jadew> it doesn't sound that bad 2014-09-11T01:11:49 < qyx_> cheap china radio modules, no wonder that the freq is off by few kHz 2014-09-11T01:12:27 < jadew> the bandwidth will alter the measured frequency when the signal is so attenuated that the trigger isn't triggering on each edge 2014-09-11T01:12:38 < jadew> that can't be the case at 2 MHz above the rated bandwidth 2014-09-11T01:13:12 < qyx_> yep, i have clear 0.6Vpp signal 2014-09-11T01:15:47 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 2014-09-11T01:16:02 -!- Geleia [~Kuro@177.94.57.13] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T01:33:46 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T01:36:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-11T01:49:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T01:53:57 -!- Thorn [~thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-11T01:57:58 -!- Thorn [~thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T02:07:56 < jadew> any ideas on how to change the return address of an interrupt? 2014-09-11T02:09:42 < Laurenceb_> happy 9/11 day 2014-09-11T02:09:51 < Laurenceb_> JihAAADDDDDDDd 2014-09-11T02:10:13 < jadew> stewie's fav. holliday 2014-09-11T02:10:23 < jadew> *holiday 2014-09-11T02:14:54 < Jack3k3> hmm okay I finally got SWD hooked up, is there a way to view say like SPI2->SR easily 2014-09-11T02:15:06 < Jack3k3> if i bring up the register window it just shows like r0-r12 2014-09-11T02:15:55 < karlp> Laurenceb_: thanks, sister's birthday :) 2014-09-11T02:16:01 < zyp> jadew, for what purpose? 2014-09-11T02:16:33 < jadew> zyp, to enable unprivileged mode and then jump to the memory location that is allowed to execute 2014-09-11T02:16:46 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-11T02:16:48 < jadew> if I don't do it from an ISR, I can't jump after enabling unprivileged mode 2014-09-11T02:17:14 < jadew> zyp, I'm looking into replacing the lr that gets pushed to the stack 2014-09-11T02:17:25 < zyp> pc, not lr 2014-09-11T02:17:26 < jadew> sp + 0x14 it seems 2014-09-11T02:17:29 < jadew> yeah, pc, sorry 2014-09-11T02:17:33 < jadew> oh wait 2014-09-11T02:17:46 < zyp> but that's probably not what you'd want to modify 2014-09-11T02:17:56 < jadew> why not? 2014-09-11T02:18:04 < zyp> you probably want to modify the EXC_RETURN value that's in the lr register, not in the stack frame 2014-09-11T02:18:24 < jadew> zyp, I looked into that but it can only specify which stack to use 2014-09-11T02:18:30 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@62.10.7.197] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T02:18:35 < jadew> and the mode (thread / handler) 2014-09-11T02:18:47 < zyp> oh 2014-09-11T02:18:52 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-232-117.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-11T02:18:53 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2014-09-11T02:19:01 < zyp> where's the privileged/unprivileged bit stored then? 2014-09-11T02:19:09 < jadew> in the control register 2014-09-11T02:19:12 < jadew> bit 0 2014-09-11T02:19:22 < zyp> why do you need to modify pc then? 2014-09-11T02:19:36 < jadew> because I call the interrupt from privileged code 2014-09-11T02:20:06 < jadew> I set unprivileged mode from the ISR and then I have to return to the unprivileged code address (because it's the only one able to run) 2014-09-11T02:20:33 < zyp> wait, wait 2014-09-11T02:20:42 < zyp> are you trying to do a sort of multithreading? 2014-09-11T02:20:45 < jadew> the ISR runs in privileged mode by default and it seems the only way to execute an additional jump after you set the privileged bit 2014-09-11T02:21:09 < jadew> zyp, nope, just trying to enable unprivileged mode and jumping to a piece of code that's allowed to run 2014-09-11T02:21:31 < zyp> okay, so you'll never be jumping back? 2014-09-11T02:21:53 < jadew> yeah 2014-09-11T02:22:09 < jadew> actually I will, but not for a while 2014-09-11T02:22:16 < zyp> ok, what I'll do then is treat this as a special case of multithreading 2014-09-11T02:22:21 < zyp> anyway 2014-09-11T02:22:32 < zyp> what you want to do is to start a new thread of execution 2014-09-11T02:22:41 < jadew> yeah, pretty much 2014-09-11T02:23:18 < zyp> so what you should do is to initialize a new stack, and change to it 2014-09-11T02:23:44 < zyp> if you're not going to use the old thread again, you could overwrite the old stack 2014-09-11T02:23:51 < jadew> I am 2014-09-11T02:24:05 < jadew> at some point I want to return at the exact point from where this new thread got called 2014-09-11T02:24:19 < jadew> so the MSP has to remain unstained 2014-09-11T02:24:43 < zyp> okay, do you have any plans to do multithreading later at all? 2014-09-11T02:24:49 < jadew> no 2014-09-11T02:25:43 < zyp> right, so you just want to execute a function in unprivileged mode and then return back to privileged mode when it's done? 2014-09-11T02:25:51 < jadew> yep 2014-09-11T02:26:12 < zyp> and you're certain you have to go via an interrupt to change between modes? 2014-09-11T02:26:37 < jadew> yeah, because as soon as you do msr control, rwhatever 2014-09-11T02:26:44 < jadew> you can't do bx anymore 2014-09-11T02:26:56 < jadew> because that part of code is not allowed to execute anymore 2014-09-11T02:27:24 < zyp> that sounds awfully restrictive 2014-09-11T02:27:29 < jadew> so you have to go the ISR way, since it's running in privileged mode 2014-09-11T02:27:36 < zyp> what's the goal of having the code run in unprivileged mode? 2014-09-11T02:27:52 < jadew> to protect my firmware 2014-09-11T02:27:59 < zyp> from what? 2014-09-11T02:28:04 < jadew> from china 2014-09-11T02:28:12 < jadew> I want to allow users to run their own code 2014-09-11T02:28:15 < zyp> seriously, what are you protecting it from? 2014-09-11T02:28:24 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T02:28:30 < jadew> but I don't want them to be able to read it 2014-09-11T02:28:55 < zyp> oh, so that's what it's about 2014-09-11T02:28:56 < jadew> (to read mine) 2014-09-11T02:29:04 < jadew> yeah, pretty much 2014-09-11T02:29:14 < zyp> that sounds like a losing game 2014-09-11T02:29:35 < jadew> why? it sounds doable 2014-09-11T02:29:45 < zyp> it's not what the MPU is intended for 2014-09-11T02:30:38 < jadew> you think it might not work? the options it offers seem to be kinda geared towards this 2014-09-11T02:30:53 < qyx_> huh 2014-09-11T02:31:02 < qyx_> stm32 has features for readout protection afaik 2014-09-11T02:31:11 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db7789f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-11T02:31:18 < qyx_> 01:28 < jadew> I want to allow users to run their own code 2014-09-11T02:31:22 < qyx_> ok 2014-09-11T02:31:22 < zyp> qyx_, which are irrelevant when you're letting user code onto the part 2014-09-11T02:31:25 < qyx_> i said nothing 2014-09-11T02:31:48 < zyp> jadew, so anyway, are you planning to restrict peripheral access from user code too? 2014-09-11T02:31:56 < jadew> zyp, yes 2014-09-11T02:31:58 < zyp> what will user code have available? 2014-09-11T02:32:18 < jadew> access to higher level drivers/functionality 2014-09-11T02:32:31 < qyx_> does it have to be naive code? 2014-09-11T02:32:35 < qyx_> *native 2014-09-11T02:32:53 < jadew> qyx_, yeah, at least at the moment 2014-09-11T02:33:26 < qyx_> if speed is not that important, using some interpreted language might be an option 2014-09-11T02:34:15 < jadew> qyx_, I know and I might do something about that, but at the moment I want to get this running, there's nothing better than native code 2014-09-11T02:34:41 < zyp> hmm 2014-09-11T02:35:52 < zyp> actually, it should work well enough if you are sane enough about it 2014-09-11T02:36:33 < jadew> about the interpreted language? 2014-09-11T02:36:44 < Jack3k3> wow interesting...It turns out that I'm getting frame errors on every transfer to the I2S2ext...Somehow my clocks must not be synchronized correctly? 2014-09-11T02:36:49 < zyp> no, about using the MPU to isolate user code 2014-09-11T02:37:00 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T02:37:06 < jadew> zyp, yeah, I think I succesfully did that 2014-09-11T02:37:06 < zyp> but in that case you really need to keep two separate stacks, and user code must not be allowed to touch the memory area of the master stack 2014-09-11T02:37:19 < dongs> jadew: like 32 bucks or someshit 2014-09-11T02:37:20 < jadew> zyp, that's exactly what I'm doing 2014-09-11T02:37:23 < dongs> ebay junk. 2014-09-11T02:37:37 < jadew> dongs, not bad 2014-09-11T02:37:39 < zyp> because otherwise user code could overwrite the return addr in master stack and get it to jump back into user code in privileged mode 2014-09-11T02:37:50 < jadew> the chip is like $20+ right? 2014-09-11T02:37:52 < zyp> there's lots of ways to trick such a system 2014-09-11T02:37:53 < dongs> jadew: its probably cheaper than me making my own breakout just for testing 2014-09-11T02:37:57 < jadew> zyp, yeah 2014-09-11T02:37:57 < dongs> yeah, but its a lot less in china 2014-09-11T02:38:13 < dongs> i think zyps FT256 FPGAs were like half? price from digikey prices 2014-09-11T02:38:17 < jadew> zyp, my plan is to isolate its memory & stack 2014-09-11T02:38:18 < dongs> and that was for sample qty 2014-09-11T02:38:20 < zyp> you also have to be nazi about any kind of DMA access 2014-09-11T02:38:23 < jadew> as well as the program memory 2014-09-11T02:38:30 < zyp> because DMA isn't filtered by MPU 2014-09-11T02:38:40 < jadew> zyp, that's good to know, thanks 2014-09-11T02:39:30 < zyp> and all this is on top of the normal «disable debugger access» precautions that you'd have to take even if you weren't allowing user code 2014-09-11T02:39:43 < jadew> yeah 2014-09-11T02:40:42 < zyp> sounds like a fun project, I'd love to have a go at defeating your security when you're done with it ;) 2014-09-11T02:40:57 < qyx_> lol 2014-09-11T02:41:31 < jadew> zyp, heh, sure thing, I'll let you know when it's done 2014-09-11T02:41:37 < jadew> I'll have a crack at it myself :P 2014-09-11T02:42:56 < zyp> oh, by the way, it's not only DMA code that'd have to be nazi, any kind of function running in privileged mode, taking a pointer from unprivileged mode would have to check it 2014-09-11T02:43:28 < jadew> zyp, yeah, that goes with out saying 2014-09-11T02:44:11 < zyp> and then there's the normal stack overflow, that also could be exploited to have you jump to user code in privileged mode :p 2014-09-11T02:44:45 < jadew> I'm aware of that too :) that's my biggest worry really 2014-09-11T02:46:42 < jadew> it's the only thing that you can't account for because you didn't see it when you wrote the bug, so chances of catching it are slimmer 2014-09-11T02:48:35 < jadew> any idea how to get the PSP when the MSP is in use? 2014-09-11T02:49:04 < zyp> msr/mrs 2014-09-11T02:49:23 < jadew> so I have to switch the stacks and then read it? 2014-09-11T02:49:31 < zyp> huh? 2014-09-11T02:50:08 < zyp> msr/mrs can access psp and msp by name, regardless of which of those sp refers to 2014-09-11T02:50:13 < jadew> oh 2014-09-11T02:50:15 < jadew> neat 2014-09-11T02:50:18 < jadew> thanks 2014-09-11T02:50:52 < dongs> whats jadew doing, writing lunix kernal for stm32?? 2014-09-11T02:51:26 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-168-105-126.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-11T02:51:34 < jadew> nothing that fancy 2014-09-11T02:51:35 < zyp> more like dos, since he doesn't want multithreading 2014-09-11T02:52:42 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADXL206HDZ/ADXL206HDZ-ND/2677442 2014-09-11T02:53:40 < jadew> is the price in USD? 2014-09-11T02:53:50 < jadew> oh yeah, it says so 2014-09-11T02:53:55 < jadew> why so expensive? 2014-09-11T02:54:07 < dongs> duno 2014-09-11T02:54:10 < dongs> maybe space spec 2014-09-11T02:54:33 < jadew> still... 2014-09-11T02:54:40 < dongs> up to 175C temperature 2014-09-11T02:54:44 < dongs> that might have something to do with it 2014-09-11T02:56:57 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.43.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-11T03:00:23 < amstan> Is anyone here using mixed DMA+direct mode with the SPI on F0? I'm having some weird problems where the DMA is not playing well with the FIFO 2014-09-11T03:01:02 < zyp> the fifo is weird ;) 2014-09-11T03:01:31 < amstan> zyp: I'm surprised there's no errata things about it 2014-09-11T03:01:43 < zyp> I haven't used DMA with SPI, but I've had my own share of FIFO problems on SPI on F3 which is presumably identical to F0 in this matter 2014-09-11T03:01:51 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.73.225] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T03:02:01 < zyp> so I'll try to help you 2014-09-11T03:02:13 < amstan> The way i'm using the TX FIFO right now is just send each character 4 times 2014-09-11T03:02:20 < amstan> I'm lucky my protocol is resilient with that 2014-09-11T03:02:34 < zyp> wat 2014-09-11T03:02:39 < amstan> but the RX FIFO, which has the same problem(where I only use DMA with), it gets out of sync 2014-09-11T03:02:52 < zyp> I don't understand 2014-09-11T03:02:55 < amstan> which part? 2014-09-11T03:03:55 < zyp> do you have some code I can look at? 2014-09-11T03:04:03 < zyp> or type up some pseudocode 2014-09-11T03:08:51 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-11T03:09:09 < dongs> i should start getting happy birthday emails soon 2014-09-11T03:09:27 < jadew> happy birthday! 2014-09-11T03:09:28 < gxti> i didn't get you anything 2014-09-11T03:09:29 < qyx_> ttl--; 2014-09-11T03:09:41 < dongs> (look at the date) 2014-09-11T03:09:45 < gxti> ololol 2014-09-11T03:09:47 < amstan> zyp: yeah.. hold on 2014-09-11T03:10:14 < zyp> dongs, happy wtc day 2014-09-11T03:10:20 < gxti> it's ok, i know your real birthday is april 20th 2014-09-11T03:10:34 < gxti> just like your favorite fuhrer 2014-09-11T03:11:39 < amstan> zyp: https://bpaste.net/show/f2a8cdb1ad1b 2014-09-11T03:12:16 < dongs> that fucking paste site sucks 2014-09-11T03:13:07 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@c-50-129-64-145.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T03:13:10 < dongs> heh 2014-09-11T03:13:45 < zyp> just like arduino! 2014-09-11T03:13:50 < gxti> ^ 2014-09-11T03:14:23 < jadew> yeah, actually the asf code is pretty neat 2014-09-11T03:14:23 -!- hesperaux_ [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-11T03:14:42 < gxti> must be bad if it has GCC 2014-09-11T03:14:51 < gxti> need real pro compiler like keil 2014-09-11T03:14:57 < amstan> zyp: updated: https://bpaste.net/show/1f1f77fa67e4 2014-09-11T03:15:53 < Jack3k3> emeb did you ever notice that you get a lot of frame errors, im getting a lot on the i2s2ext rx... not convinced thats my problem entirely but it seems strange 2014-09-11T03:16:13 < zyp> amstan, ok, now I'd like to see some actual code 2014-09-11T03:16:21 < amstan> zyp: you sure about that? lol 2014-09-11T03:16:22 < Jack3k3> like 15 seconds after startup I start getting them... 2014-09-11T03:16:35 < zyp> amstan, I want to see how you're configuring the DMA 2014-09-11T03:16:48 < emeb> Jack3k3: never noticed frame errors, but never looked either. 2014-09-11T03:16:52 < amstan> zyp: fair enough, here's the patch that implements the described fix: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/217083/4 2014-09-11T03:16:54 < gxti> clearly you haven't been looking at ST's excretions 2014-09-11T03:17:39 < amstan> zyp: here's the dma driver: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/platform/ec/+/7d20c7a2ba97e1e952d6955f24c6aab285921bad/chip/stm32/dma.c 2014-09-11T03:17:57 < amstan> zyp: it has worked perfectly so far with the f1 series and the l1 series 2014-09-11T03:18:04 < amstan> zyp: f0, everything went out the window 2014-09-11T03:19:49 < jadew> R2COM, I agree about the ASF, what's striking is how much cleaner it is compared to the stdperiphlib 2014-09-11T03:20:05 < jadew> and what makes that even more impresive is that the ASF targets ALL Atmel chips 2014-09-11T03:20:56 < jadew> I tried getting the blinky working, then I gave up on it 2014-09-11T03:23:28 < zyp> how can you remember having to fuck around with it if you never used it? 2014-09-11T03:24:00 < jadew> zyp, I think it's the first step when you get started with stm32 2014-09-11T03:24:13 < Jack3k3> can somenoe help me out here im going mad 2014-09-11T03:25:01 < Jack3k3> I set a breakpoint after : if(I2S2ext->SR & 1 != 0) , this is to stop it after we see that the I2S RX buffer is not empty 2014-09-11T03:25:39 < Jack3k3> I then look in the debugger at the I2S2ext->SR register and I see 0x186, which the 0th bit (the RX not empty) is 0 2014-09-11T03:25:50 < Jack3k3> how is that possible 2014-09-11T03:26:15 < Jack3k3> unless the DMA interrupt is getting triggered and executes before I cans ee it 2014-09-11T03:27:11 < jadew> the interrupt won't get executed tho 2014-09-11T03:27:13 < zyp> amstan, hmm, I can't see anything obviously wrong 2014-09-11T03:27:25 < Jack3k3> R2COM oh shit, is there anyway around this 2014-09-11T03:27:55 < zyp> breakpoint _can_ stop peripherals 2014-09-11T03:28:03 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T03:28:17 < amstan> zyp: i'm 90% sure it's a silicon bug with how the DMA handles the FIFO 2014-09-11T03:28:34 < amstan> the FIFO does its thing normally, but DMA probably bypasses the pointer in the FIFO 2014-09-11T03:28:37 < zyp> Jack3k3, look up the debug freeze registers 2014-09-11T03:29:06 < amstan> zyp: that dma code is in a ton of products already, i'm sure it works just fine 2014-09-11T03:30:01 < zyp> amstan, except for F0 ;) 2014-09-11T03:30:04 < amstan> zyp: yes 2014-09-11T03:30:16 < amstan> well.. I am using DMA for uart as well 2014-09-11T03:30:54 < zyp> I just checked the transfer size settings and the fifo level flag, and they appears to be all right 2014-09-11T03:31:25 < amstan> zyp: I'm also using STM32_SPI_CR2_FRXTH 2014-09-11T03:31:34 < zyp> that's what I referred to 2014-09-11T03:31:49 < amstan> zyp: anyway.. ignore the TX DMA, there's a pretty ok workaround with it now. but the RX workaround will be very very ugly 2014-09-11T03:32:04 < zyp> anyway, on older chips, with the spi word size set to 8, doing any kind of transfer results in one byte being written 2014-09-11T03:32:29 < zyp> when the fifo got added, they added a packed words feature 2014-09-11T03:32:49 < zyp> which means that a 16-bit write (or 32) gets interpreted as two words, if word size is 8 or lower 2014-09-11T03:33:10 < zyp> that's what messed up my transfers 2014-09-11T03:33:17 < zyp> when I ported working code to F3 2014-09-11T03:33:39 < zyp> but that doesn't seem to be relevant 2014-09-11T03:33:49 < zyp> it's quite likely a silicon bug, as you say 2014-09-11T03:33:55 < amstan> zyp: yep, i had that too: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/211476/5/chip/stm32/spi.c 2014-09-11T03:34:17 < amstan> zyp: the dma reads just had to be adjusted to use 8 bits 2014-09-11T03:34:22 < zyp> yeah 2014-09-11T03:35:00 < amstan> zyp: i'm kinda proud because i found a silicon bug, but at the same time i'm stuck with it and i need really ugly workarounds 2014-09-11T03:36:17 < zyp> not using DMA is an easy one 2014-09-11T03:36:22 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-typmcidyutdwhwlo] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T03:37:37 < Jack3k3> amstan are you working wtih DMA & SPI also? 2014-09-11T03:37:41 < amstan> Jack3k3: yes 2014-09-11T03:38:05 < Jack3k3> ive been in a state of frustration over that for the past few days :| 2014-09-11T03:38:25 < Jack3k3> I2S2 for TX with I2S2ext_SD for RX, full duplex mode 2014-09-11T03:38:47 < amstan> zyp: can't, it's a slave spi, i can't have the interrupts, I might need to do 3MHz SPI when the chip is clocked at 16MHz 2014-09-11T03:39:03 < amstan> Jack3k3: yeah... it's been a common theme for the past few weeks for me 2014-09-11T03:40:30 < zyp> ah 2014-09-11T03:41:16 < jadew> same here, things get better 2014-09-11T03:41:47 < amstan> I feel like calling st and querying them about it, lol 2014-09-11T03:42:15 < amstan> i don't have the time to actually make some isolated piece of code that tests for this bug, but it would be nice if they could look at it 2014-09-11T03:43:20 < jadew> did you check the errata? 2014-09-11T03:43:59 < amstan> jadew: nothing there, except some I2S related stuff(perhaps Jack3k3 cares about that) 2014-09-11T03:47:14 < Jack3k3> hmm sadly nothing that applies to me either 2014-09-11T03:47:39 < jadew> lucky 2014-09-11T03:47:48 < jadew> I found several stuff that applied to me :D 2014-09-11T03:47:59 < jadew> none of the fixable :P 2014-09-11T03:48:12 < Jack3k3> what's infinietly frustating is that I can see all the MCLK/SCLK/WSS/I2S2ext_RX signals on the scope 2014-09-11T03:48:24 < Jack3k3> but if i look at the data being processesed in the DMA its just zeros 2014-09-11T03:48:56 < amstan> Jack3k3: i had that happen too 2014-09-11T03:49:13 -!- Amkei_ [~Amkei@dslb-188-103-224-069.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T03:49:17 < amstan> i tried resetting the spi peri just before i start the dma, in order to resync it 2014-09-11T03:49:24 < amstan> it gets 00s the whole transfer then 2014-09-11T03:49:50 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-11T03:51:04 < ds2> hmmmm to go orcad or not go orcad 2014-09-11T04:01:58 -!- Amkei_ [~Amkei@dslb-188-103-224-069.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-11T04:17:21 < jadew> zyp, I just remembered something, dongs asked if I'm making a linux kernel, you said it's more like DOS, because it doesn't have threading. I remembered that DOS had support for threading :P 2014-09-11T04:17:42 < jadew> I believe they were called resident programs 2014-09-11T04:17:49 < zyp> heh 2014-09-11T04:18:14 < jadew> and you would hook them up to an interrupt :P 2014-09-11T04:19:39 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@18.189.73.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-11T04:22:35 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T04:33:55 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T04:37:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T04:40:10 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T04:40:45 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-11T04:41:50 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-11T04:42:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T04:43:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-11T04:44:45 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2014-09-11T04:47:41 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T04:52:33 -!- deffe [63f42a26@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.244.42.38] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T04:53:07 < deffe> what type of flash is inside the stm32? 2014-09-11T04:55:10 < zyp> NOR flash, of course 2014-09-11T04:57:26 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-11T04:58:22 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-11T05:01:44 < deffe> How would you know? 2014-09-11T05:01:50 < dongs> waht else would it be? 2014-09-11T05:02:26 < zyp> deffe, because NAND flash doesn't allow random access, only page access 2014-09-11T05:03:05 < deffe> I see 2014-09-11T05:03:28 < deffe> What about nvram? 2014-09-11T05:04:23 < dongs> only STM32L has proper eeprom, isnt it? 2014-09-11T05:04:36 < dongs> there's no "nvram" in any other models? 2014-09-11T05:04:42 < gxti> 'nvram' is a description of what stuff like flash does 2014-09-11T05:10:10 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T05:24:06 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:25d6:1a02:cc69:e025] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T05:31:40 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-11T05:36:15 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-11T05:38:27 < GargantuaSauce> http://imgur.com/a/d2d1L trigger warning: sloppy 2014-09-11T05:38:42 < GargantuaSauce> also turns out i dont have any single-row female headers! whoops 2014-09-11T05:47:14 -!- IkedaChitose [~Kuro@177.139.46.28] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T05:48:49 < dongs> so what did you do 2014-09-11T05:48:52 < dongs> bent legs on dual row? 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2014-09-11T06:20:01 < GargantuaSauce> lol 2014-09-11T06:20:07 < dongs> is=ISE 2014-09-11T06:20:25 < dongs> what the hell 2014-09-11T06:22:03 < emeb> dongs: I think that they expect you to use ISE on win7 2014-09-11T06:22:11 < dongs> fffff 2014-09-11T06:23:05 < dongs> thats completely bullshit. 2014-09-11T06:23:10 < emeb> that's Xilinx 2014-09-11T06:23:28 < emeb> (and a large portion of the EDA tools industry for that matter) 2014-09-11T06:23:56 < englishman> electronic design aggravation 2014-09-11T06:23:57 < GargantuaSauce> we need opensauce fpgas 2014-09-11T06:24:16 < emeb> FWIW - ISE works fine on various current flavors of linux 2014-09-11T06:24:22 < emeb> not that dongs cares... 2014-09-11T06:24:38 < dongs> hm apparently there's "planahead" that still supports S6 2014-09-11T06:25:02 < emeb> planahead is just a wrapper around much of the ISE guts 2014-09-11T06:25:32 < emeb> and ISE Navigator (the GUI) doesn't work in Win 8.x because of graphics issues. 2014-09-11T06:25:49 < dongs> no it dosnt work on win8 because of other isseus 2014-09-11T06:25:58 < dongs> they used some opensores memory management shit 2014-09-11T06:25:58 < emeb> so the guts (which are all command line tools that the GUI invokes as child processes) should work fine. 2014-09-11T06:25:59 < dongs> dll 2014-09-11T06:26:04 < dongs> and it breaks to hell on 64bit win8 2014-09-11T06:26:10 < dongs> there's some hacks to replcae dlls and fix shit and bla bla 2014-09-11T06:26:18 < emeb> meh 2014-09-11T06:26:20 < dongs> but I remember last time I did that shit, half the tools had to be run from command line 2014-09-11T06:26:29 < dongs> completely fucking uselss 2014-09-11T06:26:44 < emeb> just set up a win7 system. Take you half hour and works fine. 2014-09-11T06:26:49 < dongs> yes, VM 2014-09-11T06:26:54 < emeb> that 2014-09-11T06:31:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T06:32:09 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-11T06:32:40 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T06:33:37 < dongs> 60gb.. should be neough i hope 2014-09-11T06:36:17 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-11T06:37:11 < emeb> hope so. Tools take about 10-20GB. dunno what Win needs... 2014-09-11T06:38:01 < dongs> man 2014-09-11T06:38:04 < dongs> so much rage in that thread 2014-09-11T06:38:16 < dongs> So Xilinx is making it a priority to develop software that doesn't support any of its devices before 2011 (which is equivalent to an hour ago in FPGA lifetime), only supports Series-7, half of which has been delayed, some of which has been changed/canceled in the meantime (Artix parts), and in addition, announced and starting shipping Zynq, which is not supported with the "new" tools (but will be). 2014-09-11T06:39:33 < jadew> I wonder if ISE has to be that big 2014-09-11T06:39:39 < dongs> of course not 2014-09-11T06:39:53 < emeb> jadew: most of it is data files for parts you don't use 2014-09-11T06:39:54 < dongs> there's like 2 copies of JVM, TCL/TK runtime, etc 2014-09-11T06:39:56 < dongs> on every dir 2014-09-11T06:40:12 < emeb> I managed to cut ISE down to about 4GB by eliminating useless stuff 2014-09-11T06:40:22 < jadew> heh 2014-09-11T06:40:22 < emeb> had it running off an SD card on a netbook 2014-09-11T06:40:56 < jadew> I never cared much, but I always wondered why 2014-09-11T06:41:12 < emeb> disk space is like, free, right? 2014-09-11T06:41:22 < jadew> not free, but I have plenty 2014-09-11T06:41:42 < GargantuaSauce> oh god that must have been so fucking slow 2014-09-11T06:42:11 < emeb> on a netbook? it wasn't bad, but I was only working with tiny parts (Spartan 3 200k) 2014-09-11T06:42:34 < GargantuaSauce> on a netbook and off an SD 2014-09-11T06:42:56 < emeb> not ideal that's true 2014-09-11T06:43:02 < jadew> in SPI mode? :P 2014-09-11T06:43:13 < emeb> heh. doubt it. 2014-09-11T06:45:25 < dongs> US export regulations require that your First Name, Last Name, Company Name and Shipping Address be verified before Xilinx can fulfill your request. Please provide accurate and complete information for immediate processing. Sorry, addresses with Post Office Boxes and names/addresses with Non-Roman Characters with accents such as grave, tilde or colon are not supported by US export compliance systems. 2014-09-11T06:45:31 < dongs> .... 2014-09-11T06:45:36 < dongs> what the actual fuck 2014-09-11T06:46:03 < jadew> they're afraid you're make a SHA1 core 2014-09-11T06:46:08 < GargantuaSauce> no jewnicode for u 2014-09-11T06:46:13 < jadew> *you'll 2014-09-11T06:47:54 -!- IkedaChitose is now known as Geleia 2014-09-11T06:56:44 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-11T06:56:45 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T07:11:09 < dongs> k installing some pirated ise 14.6 i had laying around since these fucks dont evne let me download webpack 2014-09-11T07:11:32 < dongs> it seems they dont give a fuck abouy anything other than 7 series shit anyway, so chances of new tools making old shit better are probly low anyway. 2014-09-11T07:14:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-11T07:16:28 < dongs> thats a shit link 2014-09-11T07:16:38 < dongs> http://xn--d-bga.su/dial.gif this is the real one 2014-09-11T07:16:53 < dongs> also fuck photobucket 2014-09-11T07:16:56 < dongs> shitty spam site 2014-09-11T07:17:14 < jadew> do they spam porn? 2014-09-11T07:17:15 < GargantuaSauce> as if mine isn't 2014-09-11T07:19:48 < dongs> zync is useless shit 2014-09-11T07:19:56 < dongs> it requires lunix 2014-09-11T07:21:52 < dongs> the fact that they dont support it 2014-09-11T07:23:16 < dongs> duno 2014-09-11T07:24:09 < dongs> microsemi you mean actel 2014-09-11T07:24:19 < dongs> and actel tools were a fucking joke last i looked 2014-09-11T07:24:29 < dongs> fucking mix of trialware/nagware from shitty companies 2014-09-11T07:35:39 < GargantuaSauce> hm i wonder what clock speed my f103 is running at 2014-09-11T07:35:56 < dongs> ? 2014-09-11T07:36:11 < GargantuaSauce> i used a 16mhz xtal but left HSE_FREQ at the default of 8 oops 2014-09-11T07:36:42 < dongs> gg 2014-09-11T07:36:45 < GargantuaSauce> so either it's running at 144 mhz or the pll setup is failing and it's falling back to hsi or something? 2014-09-11T07:36:53 < dongs> it might be running at 144 2014-09-11T07:37:05 < dongs> my shit was stable at 128 or something? i think 2014-09-11T07:37:10 < GargantuaSauce> huh 2014-09-11T07:37:28 < dongs> MCO? 2014-09-11T07:37:29 < dongs> and scope. 2014-09-11T07:37:34 < GargantuaSauce> will get around to setting up a timer to measure it when i am less lazy 2014-09-11T07:37:43 < dongs> MCO is like 2 lines of code 2014-09-11T07:37:44 < dongs> to output 2014-09-11T07:38:31 < GargantuaSauce> but i gotta set up the gpio AND the peripheral! jeez 2014-09-11T07:38:44 < dongs> maybe if you didnt use gcc... 2014-09-11T07:39:01 < GargantuaSauce> i am pretty sure another compiler wouldn't make it any easier! 2014-09-11T07:40:59 < GargantuaSauce> wait i cant even measure 72MHz 2014-09-11T07:41:47 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-11T07:42:14 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T07:45:40 < GargantuaSauce> (and it cant output >50 anyway) 2014-09-11T07:45:47 < GargantuaSauce> your plan is flawed! 2014-09-11T07:48:47 < GargantuaSauce> lol the reference manual can't decide if there are 3 or 4 mco bits in RCC->CFGR 2014-09-11T07:49:21 < GargantuaSauce> oh separate section for f107, durr 2014-09-11T07:49:49 < dongs> MCO can do /2, /8 output 2014-09-11T07:49:51 < dongs> i tink 2014-09-11T07:49:53 < dongs> think 2014-09-11T07:49:56 < GargantuaSauce> just /2 2014-09-11T07:50:00 < GargantuaSauce> pll /2 that is 2014-09-11T07:50:23 < GargantuaSauce> which will either be 36 or 72 so i guess if it works i know it's fallen back to hsi? 2014-09-11T07:50:32 < GargantuaSauce> i guess i could just look at the register also 2014-09-11T07:57:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QsyTh4z.png 2014-09-11T07:58:22 < jadew> lol 2014-09-11T07:59:25 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-11T07:59:26 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T08:06:52 < GargantuaSauce> haha holy shit it is running at 144 2014-09-11T08:12:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5HUry.png 2014-09-11T08:23:03 < GargantuaSauce> so the thing is definitely using hse but the HSE_VALUE define isnt changing anything 2014-09-11T08:23:10 < GargantuaSauce> sooo my conclusion is that the st code is fucked 2014-09-11T08:24:04 < jadew> you probably have to configure some other stuff as well 2014-09-11T08:24:13 < jadew> like the PLL 2014-09-11T08:24:17 < GargantuaSauce> it does that 2014-09-11T08:24:45 < GargantuaSauce> i am using startup_stm32f10x.c from the examples 2014-09-11T08:25:17 < GargantuaSauce> it just happens to be ignoring the input that it supposedly depends upon 2014-09-11T08:25:43 < GargantuaSauce> that's fine though i can use -DSYSCLK_FREQ_36MHz and let it pretend the crystal is 8MHz 2014-09-11T08:26:18 < GargantuaSauce> (i'm assuming as soon as i start using peripherals the 144mhz sysclk is going to cause problems) 2014-09-11T08:27:59 < jpa-> did you clean and recompile after changing defines? 2014-09-11T08:28:39 < GargantuaSauce> yup 2014-09-11T08:29:17 < jpa-> i would check the clock control registers with debugger and compare against reference manual 2014-09-11T08:29:30 < GargantuaSauce> yeah that's really what i should have been doing from square one here 2014-09-11T08:29:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T08:29:46 < GargantuaSauce> but really now that i've figured out how to set it to 72MHz i don't give enough fucks 2014-09-11T08:29:46 < jpa-> as soon as you start using peripherals, having a broken clock config (i.e. stdperiph not knowing the frequencies) is going to come a big pain 2014-09-11T08:30:01 < jpa-> i.e. if you set a timer frequency or a baudrate, it is going to be wrong 2014-09-11T08:30:18 < GargantuaSauce> i am not going to be using stdperiph, and i'm happy to mess with all the peripherals' individual clock dividers cause i'll be doing that anyway 2014-09-11T08:30:31 < jpa-> ok 2014-09-11T08:30:45 < jpa-> why the hell are you using a broken startup_stm32f10x.c if you want to be running bare metal anyway? 2014-09-11T08:31:05 < GargantuaSauce> because i haven't bothered to peruse the clock configuration registers in detail yet 2014-09-11T08:31:20 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T08:31:57 < GargantuaSauce> i probably will do that soon now that i know that this isnt exactly bringing useful functionality to the table 2014-09-11T08:33:13 < jpa-> ok 2014-09-11T08:50:00 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@86.125.228.95] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T08:55:53 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-11T09:11:42 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T09:22:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T09:23:55 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-11T09:39:11 < dongs> was innovating http://i.imgur.com/s0sysEA.png 2014-09-11T09:40:13 < emeb_mac> keepin' it classy 2014-09-11T09:40:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/I14CmMT.png 2014-09-11T09:41:13 < Jack3k3> amstan if you're around would you mind posting the code snippet of the delay you told me about earlier that got you're dma working 2014-09-11T09:41:24 < Jack3k3> just want to make sure i implement it the same way 2014-09-11T09:41:30 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-11T09:41:44 -!- edmont [~edmont@router.cedint.upm.es] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T09:42:55 < amstan> Jack3k3: i don't know what delay 2014-09-11T09:43:29 < amstan> i didn't use any delays 2014-09-11T09:43:44 < amstan> anyway... if you still want stuff you'll have to ask me on friday 2014-09-11T09:45:46 < Jack3k3> amstan oh sorry, i mean, you said you reset the spi i think? 2014-09-11T09:45:51 < amstan> yes 2014-09-11T09:45:55 < emeb_mac> dongs: reminds me of these: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gPl1rLAAwbY/UYvm5CubGVI/AAAAAAAHBgA/GxIz96yv0to/s640/$(KGrHqNHJF!FFwcJd6+(BRi84)0Olw~~60_57.JPG 2014-09-11T09:46:07 < amstan> Jack3k3: it's one of the bits in the rcc peripheral 2014-09-11T09:46:13 < amstan> you set it then clear it 2014-09-11T09:46:50 < Jack3k3> okay ill look into that, thanks 2014-09-11T09:46:51 < amstan> then i reinitialize the spi 2014-09-11T09:46:56 < dongs> emeb_mac: lol'd 2014-09-11T09:48:39 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T09:52:13 -!- [1]Jack3k3 [~Jack3k3@172.56.33.186] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T09:54:52 -!- Jack3k3 [~Jack3k3@184-77-193-196.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-11T10:04:03 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-11T10:05:34 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T10:10:16 < dongs> http://www.spendconsciously.com/ so dum 2014-09-11T10:11:09 < emeb_mac> it's so responsible 2014-09-11T10:11:27 < emeb_mac> yay - electrodragon shipment is at the local PO 2014-09-11T10:11:33 < emeb_mac> should have esp parts tomorrow 2014-09-11T10:12:44 < [1]Jack3k3> amstan, can you confirm this is what you meant? http://codepad.org/h7D3UpY9 2014-09-11T10:13:35 < [1]Jack3k3> well, i still need to reinitize the spi still, but i think its the right register.. do you reinitialize the spi before you start the dma 2014-09-11T10:19:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~mirggi@host-31-152-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T10:20:05 < dongs> um 2014-09-11T10:20:16 < dongs> why would you need to reiinalize anything 2014-09-11T10:20:17 < dongs> for DMA 2014-09-11T10:20:56 < dongs> whats with all the raw register dicking 2014-09-11T10:20:59 < dongs> get it working wiht stdperiphlib FIRST 2014-09-11T10:21:03 < dongs> then start optimizng 2014-09-11T10:21:20 < [1]Jack3k3> he said that by resyncing (aka turning off the apb spi2 clock and turning back on) it solved the problem of the dma receiving only zeros from the spi2rx 2014-09-11T10:21:39 < jpa-> does the reset bit turn off automatically or do you need to lower it yourself? 2014-09-11T10:22:46 < [1]Jack3k3> well it says in the manual "Set and cleared by software" 2014-09-11T10:22:53 < [1]Jack3k3> does that mean i need to clear it then? 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And to disable port, you must write 1 to PENCHNG. 2014-09-11T13:29:43 < theremin> Do someone help me, where can I issue this hardware bug? I want this issue to be placed in errata sheet. 2014-09-11T13:31:30 < jpa-> buy 1000000 units and then ST will listen 2014-09-11T13:31:37 < jpa-> otherwise you can yell on their forums and no-one will care 2014-09-11T13:34:36 -!- alan5 [~quassel@176.227.212.234] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T13:35:57 < theremin> :D well okay. I just wanted to save time of another developer. 2014-09-11T13:37:32 < tkoskine> This channel is logged, so probably within few minutes, Google will know the solution and tell everyone else who is puzzled by the same issue. :) 2014-09-11T13:39:45 < karlp> Your search - stm32 OTG_HS_HPRT_PENCHNG disable - did not match any documents. 2014-09-11T13:39:48 < karlp> or not. 2014-09-11T13:41:40 < theremin> I believe google will parse this message. 2014-09-11T13:43:43 < theremin> I will ask on some forum and then reply with answer. This could work. 2014-09-11T13:46:44 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-11T13:53:22 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T14:15:30 < dekar> I have a few contacts at ST. In person they told me to mail them regarding those kind of issues, yet I never got a response when reporting bugs. 2014-09-11T14:18:18 < tkoskine> karlp: For me, Google now returns one search result for OTG_HS_HPRT_PENCHNG - http://pastebin.com/ecXuANTh 2014-09-11T14:21:09 < jpa-> my log file folder is not popular enough to be indexed that often 2014-09-11T14:23:38 < PaulFertser> With Milandr you can just write on their webforum or call the devs, and the case will get investigated, and errata issued. 2014-09-11T14:23:53 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T14:28:33 < dekar> PaulFertser, what's Milandr? 2014-09-11T14:28:53 < karlp> russian cortex m3 vendor 2014-09-11T14:29:05 < karlp> same same but different.... 2014-09-11T14:29:34 < PaulFertser> Yes, also Cortex-M0. One of the offerings has integrated 100M ethernet phy. 2014-09-11T14:29:39 < tkoskine> Do they have english forum? I found only one with Russian messages. 2014-09-11T14:29:44 < karlp> http://nedmusic.bandcamp.com/track/same-same-but-different 2014-09-11T14:30:55 < PaulFertser> tkoskine: the russian engineers are really strange, and usually prefer to avoid writing English :/ 2014-09-11T14:32:40 < PaulFertser> If you have some really tough requirements (like -60C lower temperature bound) you can't get any ST or other suitable parts anyway (legally). 2014-09-11T14:36:56 < dekar> They still need a transformer for ethernet, don't they? 2014-09-11T14:39:42 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?v=961&mpart=AS3410-EQFP-500 hah, this is inside this thing I got 2014-09-11T14:41:36 < PaulFertser> dekar: yes, external transformer is needed, but you can get an rj45 socket with it integrated. 2014-09-11T14:41:37 < akaWolf> omg 2014-09-11T14:42:22 < akaWolf> Milandr -- it's a stupid vendor, that copy STM's chips 2014-09-11T14:42:43 < akaWolf> with errors in chips and SW 2014-09-11T14:42:48 < Laurenceb> lol 2014-09-11T14:43:06 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: what do you mean, how is that copying? They get ARM core, some ARM periph, plenty of their own periph blocks and produce something resembling stm32. But that's not nearly copying. 2014-09-11T14:43:25 < PaulFertser> Their shit-library is not much better than ST's shit-library afaict. 2014-09-11T14:43:46 < dongs> is it even copying stm32? their peripherals are different right? 2014-09-11T14:43:47 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: I mean, library content 2014-09-11T14:44:01 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: SW lib 2014-09-11T14:44:24 < akaWolf> dongs: yep, it's why their chips have errors 2014-09-11T14:44:40 < dongs> are you trolling or do you ahve some facts to back this up 2014-09-11T14:44:41 < PaulFertser> dongs: right, and flash memory controller is their own too, 128k flash is programmed in about 3 seconds. 2014-09-11T14:44:48 < PaulFertser> All chips have errors. 2014-09-11T14:44:59 < akaWolf> dongs: it's really so! I work with theirs chips 2014-09-11T14:45:04 < akaWolf> and theirs software 2014-09-11T14:45:06 < PaulFertser> Milandr's shit-library is closely modelled after ST's "periph library", that's true. 2014-09-11T14:45:20 < akaWolf> and can't recommend Milandr to anyone 2014-09-11T14:45:26 < Laurenceb> lol 2014-09-11T14:45:29 < dongs> lol 2014-09-11T14:45:32 < Laurenceb> so its better 2014-09-11T14:45:40 < Laurenceb> " 128k flash is programmed in about 3 seconds." 2014-09-11T14:46:05 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: well, at least their devs answer the questions and investigate issues, unlike ST's. 2014-09-11T14:46:52 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: only because it's a little known company 2014-09-11T14:47:06 < dongs> but how long do you have eto wait until they make new masks/wafers? 2014-09-11T14:47:10 < dongs> if you find a fuckup 2014-09-11T14:47:32 < jpa-> isn't ST's stdperiph itself somehow supposed to be CMSIS-inspired? 2014-09-11T14:47:49 < dongs> anything is better than timecube 2014-09-11T14:47:54 < jpa-> not that i've ever read through what CMSIS specifies and what it does not 2014-09-11T14:48:00 < akaWolf> I not work with Milandr so long for get answer for that question, dongs 2014-09-11T14:48:10 < dongs> okay 2014-09-11T14:48:31 < PaulFertser> dongs: depends on many factors of course, but at least you get direct support from the vendor in this case, and those who actually write verilog for the periph blocks will try to find a workaround for you. 2014-09-11T14:49:05 < dongs> cool 2014-09-11T14:49:13 < akaWolf> yep, it's so 2014-09-11T14:49:55 -!- efuentes [~efuentes@2601:6:7f80:159:7c99:16b8:25f8:fb0] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T14:50:02 < akaWolf> they even can send to you sources of his proprietary sw 2014-09-11T14:51:16 < dongs> like what? 2014-09-11T14:51:18 < dongs> verilog? 2014-09-11T14:51:21 < akaWolf> not 2014-09-11T14:51:21 < dongs> heh 2014-09-11T14:51:23 < akaWolf> debugger 2014-09-11T14:51:29 < akaWolf> for example 2014-09-11T14:51:38 < PaulFertser> Also, MIL-STD (1553) integrated controller. You do not get that with the usual vendors. 2014-09-11T14:51:51 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: who needs their debugger if openocd just works? 2014-09-11T14:52:10 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: not whith all variety of their chips! 2014-09-11T14:52:26 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: talking about cortex-m here? What chip doesn't work? 2014-09-11T14:52:29 < dongs> if it s SWD, shouldnt it just work wiht anything 2014-09-11T14:52:56 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: if so, I can just visit their office and debug that :) 2014-09-11T14:53:02 < akaWolf> when I work there http://www.en.rirt.ru/ , they do for as some exclusive chips, and they are was are really buggy 2014-09-11T14:53:55 < akaWolf> it was not Cortex-M3 2014-09-11T14:54:30 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-11T14:55:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: flash driver was missing before I wrote one, that was the only thing that was missing, other than that, their SWD works as usual. 2014-09-11T14:55:17 -!- Thorn [~thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T14:55:20 < akaWolf> debugging of this chips can only be done with theirs proprietary debugger 2014-09-11T14:55:52 < akaWolf> which works only under Linux 2014-09-11T14:56:00 < akaWolf> as standalone application 2014-09-11T14:56:06 < akaWolf> under Windows* 2014-09-11T14:56:38 < akaWolf> integration with IDE? never heard about that.. 2014-09-11T14:57:59 < akaWolf> also I know, that they made a compiler some years ago 2014-09-11T14:58:01 < dongs> haha 2014-09-11T14:58:11 < dongs> working under lunix only = bad idea 2014-09-11T14:58:24 < akaWolf> I mean under Windows 2014-09-11T14:58:25 -!- Thorn__ [~thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-11T14:58:30 < dongs> good 2014-09-11T14:58:34 < dongs> that sounds more liek it 2014-09-11T14:58:57 < dongs> those milandr guys sounds like they know what they're doing 2014-09-11T14:59:56 < PaulFertser> :D 2014-09-11T15:00:12 < PaulFertser> It's laughable either way 2014-09-11T15:03:54 -!- rooi-oog [~alexx@2.132.179.58] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T15:08:59 < Laurenceb> https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documentation/HealthKit/Reference/HealthKit_Constants/index.html#//apple_ref/c/econst/HKBodyTemperatureSensorLocationRectum 2014-09-11T15:13:21 < PaulFertser> Somebody measures temperature in the arse, how bloody funny! 2014-09-11T15:15:07 < dekar> it's rather about shoving apple products up there 2014-09-11T15:15:55 < Fleck> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10616484_10204426555842208_4067655276634527640_n.jpg?oh=03ebee3008dfdda84da1730ce79de342&oe=548D4980 2014-09-11T15:16:47 < akaWolf> Fleck: there are much more characteristacs, than showed at the picture... 2014-09-11T15:16:58 < Fleck> I know 2014-09-11T15:17:05 < Fleck> don't cry! :P 2014-09-11T15:17:54 < akaWolf> Fleck: because already seen... 2014-09-11T15:18:12 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/09/apple_delivers_mixed_bag_on_iday_2014/ 2014-09-11T15:18:58 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 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http://i.imgur.com/tdTOVP8.jpg 2014-09-11T16:09:08 < Steffanx> i think it did. 2014-09-11T16:09:22 < xkonni> okay... anyway, its fun to look at again ;p 2014-09-11T16:10:46 < dongs> old 2014-09-11T16:10:49 < dongs> seen that > 24 hours ago 2014-09-11T16:11:16 -!- alan5 [~quassel@176.227.212.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-11T16:11:29 -!- alan5 [~quassel@176.227.212.234] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T16:11:29 < Steffanx> and you probably retweeted it. 2014-09-11T16:17:48 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-11T16:17:49 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T16:23:29 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T16:25:19 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T16:25:46 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 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the i2s, just not the dma.. 2014-09-11T20:54:03 < amstan> Jack3k3: hi 2014-09-11T20:55:22 < Jack3k3> hey 2014-09-11T20:55:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-11T20:57:16 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-11T20:59:32 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-11T21:02:37 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T21:03:45 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T21:04:17 < Jack3k3> amstan, any ideas here http://codepad.org/ibQ2ofZh ? 2014-09-11T21:04:45 < Jack3k3> basically if I just dont call those first two DMA setup functions, and instead just enable I2S outside of them, the I2S does not show activity on any of it's clock/data lines 2014-09-11T21:07:00 < efuentes> Jack3k3: how are you feeding it data? 2014-09-11T21:07:04 < efuentes> is there a txe interrupt? 2014-09-11T21:08:18 < Jack3k3> no the i2s is hooked up to an audio codec chip 2014-09-11T21:08:47 < Jack3k3> if I enable the DMA, I see all the clock lines and data coming from the codec chip's MISO line 2014-09-11T21:09:02 < efuentes> ahh sorry 2014-09-11T21:09:05 < efuentes> you're receiving 2014-09-11T21:09:06 < efuentes> I see that now 2014-09-11T21:09:07 < Jack3k3> yep 2014-09-11T21:09:57 < scrts> Jack3k3: it's probably the way it works 2014-09-11T21:09:59 < scrts> only using DMA 2014-09-11T21:10:22 < scrts> since i2s is continuous stream, not packeted 2014-09-11T21:11:06 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-11T21:11:30 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T21:12:14 < Jack3k3> scrts not sure I understand, why wouldn't the i2s stay active without the DMA? I'm watchcing the I2S2ext->SR register and the RXNE bit is never set so it never receives anything 2014-09-11T21:12:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-11T21:12:50 < efuentes> I'm not familiar with your setup 2014-09-11T21:12:53 < scrts> I am just guessing, but it could be the architecture of this peripheral made this way 2014-09-11T21:13:03 < efuentes> but can't you command the IC to start and stop spitting out data? 2014-09-11T21:13:13 < efuentes> and that wouldn't happen over i2s 2014-09-11T21:13:14 < efuentes> I presume 2014-09-11T21:13:19 < Jack3k3> im on an stm32f407 2014-09-11T21:13:27 < scrts> what's your codec? 2014-09-11T21:13:29 < Jack3k3> the IC as in the audio chip? ya via i2c you can control it 2014-09-11T21:13:39 < Jack3k3> wolfson wm8731 2014-09-11T21:13:44 < Jack3k3> http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/documents/uploads/data_sheets/en/WM8731.pdf 2014-09-11T21:13:49 < amstan> so you give it an i2c command and it's supposed to start clocking stuff? 2014-09-11T21:14:08 < amstan> doesn't sound like a problem with the dma then... it's a problem with the remote chip 2014-09-11T21:15:07 < scrts> yeah 2014-09-11T21:15:15 < scrts> probably you set it up as slave mode 2014-09-11T21:15:25 < scrts> so it won't give you anything until you supply the clock to it 2014-09-11T21:15:29 < Jack3k3> well the I2C commands set up the parameters of the chip like sample rate/slave mastermode/data format, etc etc. But since the MCU is slave, it must provide the WSS/BCLK/MCLK signals 2014-09-11T21:15:35 < Jack3k3> errr MCU is master* 2014-09-11T21:15:35 < Jack3k3> sorry 2014-09-11T21:15:58 < Jack3k3> so it has to be a problem with the MCU, the codec cant do anything unless it receives the clocking signals, which its not 2014-09-11T21:16:43 < scrts> maybe set it up otherwise? 2014-09-11T21:18:04 < Jack3k3> what do you mean? 2014-09-11T21:18:22 < scrts> set up the codec as master and stm32 as a slave 2014-09-11T21:19:11 < Jack3k3> thats how I had it originally but it wasn't working right,besides emeb has an stm32f405 with the same audio codec chip setup in this same manner and it works fine 2014-09-11T21:19:32 < scrts> without the DMA? 2014-09-11T21:19:44 < Jack3k3> well no, with DMA 2014-09-11T21:19:55 < Jack3k3> maybe you'r'e right about it being some architecture thing though 2014-09-11T21:20:21 < scrts> ;-) 2014-09-11T21:20:35 < amstan> Jack3k3: so.. can't you set the mcu to be the master, have it clock things, while inputting data? 2014-09-11T21:20:37 < emeb> Jack3k3: the F4 I2S channels don't turn on if they're not getting data from the MCU 2014-09-11T21:20:51 < emeb> you have to feed them data - either via DMA or polling 2014-09-11T21:20:57 < emeb> no clocks if no data 2014-09-11T21:21:19 < Jack3k3> ahhhhh 2014-09-11T21:21:21 < Jack3k3> i see 2014-09-11T21:21:56 < emeb> if you're having trouble with DMA not working, try just a simple polling loop and stuff zero data in 2014-09-11T21:24:31 < Jack3k3> emeb okay, and you mean stuffing data into I2S2ext->DR then? 2014-09-11T21:24:44 < emeb> yes 2014-09-11T21:24:57 < emeb> look at the TXE bit and put a new word in 2014-09-11T21:25:40 < emeb> of course you can't do much else while that loop runs, but atm all you want to do is get things started... 2014-09-11T21:27:21 < Jack3k3> yeah, although, you say TXE bit, but I2s2ext is RX, or are you saying I should hardwire the I2S2 TX to the I2S2ext, and send out data that way? 2014-09-11T21:28:32 < emeb> wait what? 2014-09-11T21:29:19 < emeb> are you trying to use I2S for input without having output? 2014-09-11T21:30:57 < Jack3k3> well right now, my problem seems to be I'm not getting any output from the I2S2 (which I think has something to do with the I2S2ext_rx having issues). So I'm trying to troubleshoot just I2S2ext_rx right now 2014-09-11T21:31:13 < Jack3k3> but it sounds like there are a lot more quarks to this then i realized 2014-09-11T21:31:26 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-11T21:32:29 < emeb> I doubt that the RX side is killing your TX side. 2014-09-11T21:32:54 < emeb> I'd get TX working first - set it up as master, start feeding it data in a polling loop 2014-09-11T21:33:14 < emeb> once TX works, then enable RX as a slave to the TX the way I did in my example code. 2014-09-11T21:33:14 < Jack3k3> well after looking through the I2S call back function, all the data in the buffer is zero 2014-09-11T21:33:26 < Jack3k3> i can manually output stuff to TX too 2014-09-11T21:33:37 < emeb> you _have_ to 2014-09-11T21:33:51 < emeb> reading the RX side doesn't make it start generating clocks 2014-09-11T21:34:13 < Jack3k3> ok sorry i was referring to when i was debugging with dma 2014-09-11T21:34:25 < Jack3k3> since in that case clocks are working 2014-09-11T21:34:46 < emeb> OK - so you had DMA -> TX and you were seeing clocks out in master mode? 2014-09-11T21:36:52 < Jack3k3> basically I had it setup exact same as you, MCU in master, codec slave, I saw all clocks( bclk/wss/mclk) working, I saw valid data coming from the codec chip, but I saw no output from the stm32f4 back to the codec. I then verified I could manually stuff data into SPI2->DR to send to the codec. I also checked the DMA buffer and saw all data in them was zero 2014-09-11T21:37:31 < emeb> did you try filling the buffer with a known pattern? 2014-09-11T21:37:55 < emeb> just to see if the data out would toggle? 2014-09-11T21:38:53 < Jack3k3> I did but I don't remember if I was convinced that it worked 100%. Let me try that again 2014-09-11T21:42:39 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Odcházím] 2014-09-11T21:43:01 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T21:51:16 < Jack3k3> emeb, so I tested a few patterns of stuffing the entire tx_buffer full of 0x0000, 0xFFFF, and 0xAAAA, they all show up on the I2S2 output as expected 2014-09-11T21:51:20 < Jack3k3> take a look at this http://i.imgur.com/6qdfSta.png 2014-09-11T21:52:02 < Jack3k3> the blue is BCK, pink is WSS, Green is I2S2ext_SD (RX from codec), orange is I2S2_SD (TX to codec, generated pattern 0xAAAA) 2014-09-11T21:52:23 < efuentes> That looks cool 2014-09-11T21:52:28 < efuentes> not too familiar with i2s 2014-09-11T21:52:40 < efuentes> so the pink trace selects left or right speaker? 2014-09-11T21:52:43 < Jack3k3> yep 2014-09-11T21:52:58 < efuentes> cool and the blue is the clock for the data 2014-09-11T21:53:01 < Jack3k3> i think its basically SPI plus that channel select 2014-09-11T21:53:04 < Jack3k3> yes 2014-09-11T21:53:07 < efuentes> hmm 2014-09-11T21:53:13 < efuentes> and the tx is garbage 2014-09-11T21:53:19 < efuentes> you just need something to send? 2014-09-11T21:53:29 < Jack3k3> yeah its just sending 0xAAAA or 101010101010 2014-09-11T21:53:32 < efuentes> cool 2014-09-11T21:53:40 < efuentes> what are you using to record data? 2014-09-11T21:53:51 < Jack3k3> to get that waveform you mean? 2014-09-11T21:54:04 < efuentes> what scope are you using 2014-09-11T21:54:23 < Jack3k3> yeah, one of these http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,842,843&Prod=EEBOARD&CFID=6112173&CFTOKEN=17de509f24e5cc34-FC7DFDB2-5056-0201-02AD57C73BE2B589 2014-09-11T21:54:36 < Jack3k3> i got it free for TA'ing a course at school ;) 2014-09-11T21:55:02 < Jack3k3> they also make a smaller version without the breadboard http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,842,1018&Prod=ANALOG-DISCOVERY 2014-09-11T21:56:05 < efuentes> looks interesting 2014-09-11T21:56:16 < efuentes> oh uses NI :( 2014-09-11T21:56:19 < efuentes> don't have a windows machine 2014-09-11T22:02:09 < Jack3k3> ah i think i saw some kid in my class using with a VM but cant rememer 2014-09-11T22:02:29 < emeb> Jack3k3: looks like TX works 2014-09-11T22:03:06 < qyx_> ok, this buck switcher definitely didn't want to have Vout > Vin 2014-09-11T22:03:28 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-11T22:03:29 < Jack3k3> emeb: yep, I think the problem must be in the DMA RX 2014-09-11T22:04:29 < efuentes> you were also setting up a tx dma 2014-09-11T22:04:46 < efuentes> and that was pushing data for you when the txe flag was set 2014-09-11T22:05:17 < Jack3k3> yeah i think the rx dma grabs data from the I2s2_ext RX and puts it in memory, and the Tx DMA grabs data from memory and stuffs it into I2s2_sd for TX 2014-09-11T22:07:14 < emeb> correct 2014-09-11T22:07:31 < emeb> separate DMA channels, separate DRs 2014-09-11T22:07:46 < emeb> if they start in sync though you don't need separate ISRs for the DMA 2014-09-11T22:08:19 < Jack3k3> possible they start out of sync for some reason? 2014-09-11T22:17:36 < emeb> doubt it 2014-09-11T22:18:12 < emeb> the RX side should be slaved to the timing of the TX side, so they should always stay in sync 2014-09-11T22:27:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host109-148-33-204.range109-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T22:28:09 < Jack3k3> hmm 2014-09-11T22:30:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-11T22:34:01 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-11T22:36:41 < Laurenceb_> Racial Profiling: Separating white from wrong. 2014-09-11T22:38:25 < Steffanx> :P 2014-09-11T22:40:10 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ you fap on Jimmy Carr all day long not? 2014-09-11T22:40:14 -!- Jack3k3 [~Jack3k3@184-77-193-196.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-11T22:40:15 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 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GPIO_AF_LotsOfShit are all defined, but SPIx is not among them 2014-09-11T23:51:40 < hesperaux> i lied and i'm dumb and there it is it's GPIO_AF_5 2014-09-11T23:53:40 < GargantuaSauce> isnt that just a silly define for....5? 2014-09-11T23:53:48 < hesperaux> yep 2014-09-11T23:53:57 < hesperaux> GargantuaSauce, on F4 it's something like GPIO_AF_SPI1 2014-09-11T23:54:04 < hesperaux> that's what threw me off, sicne they are both M4 2014-09-11T23:54:15 < hesperaux> but ST wanted to be consistent and use different defines for the same shit lol 2014-09-11T23:54:32 < GargantuaSauce> yeah totally consistent 2014-09-11T23:55:08 < hesperaux> now to figure out why it's not working :D 2014-09-11T23:55:21 * hesperaux is ready to pull out his totally genuine saleae logic analyzer with the plastic case 2014-09-11T23:56:12 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-11T23:56:13 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined 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2014-09-12T00:24:19 < hesperaux> i fuckin hate when the programmer randomly completely stops working 2014-09-12T00:24:50 < hesperaux> Error: Connect failed, check config and cable connection 2014-09-12T00:25:02 < hesperaux> literally happens after I just programmed it 2014-09-12T00:26:06 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T00:26:47 -!- dekar [~dekar@55d42d12.access.ecotel.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T00:27:31 < jadew> lots of things can go wrong after you just programmed it 2014-09-12T00:27:42 < qyx_> blame the os 2014-09-12T00:27:52 < hesperaux> i can't imagine what would prevent the ST-Link from working 2014-09-12T00:28:04 < jadew> you trip on the USB wire, it unplugs, COM connection still opened! 2014-09-12T00:28:05 < hesperaux> the only thing changing is the bin i'm sending to the slave chip 2014-09-12T00:28:24 < hesperaux> i've swapped usb ports, disconnected other usb devices on the host that I recently connected 2014-09-12T00:28:37 < hesperaux> win7 claims the st-link driver loads fine when I plug it in 2014-09-12T00:28:37 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@2002:55d4:2d0d:0:e429:47c9:8175:5cde] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-12T00:28:55 < hesperaux> i've also restarted the IDE 2014-09-12T00:29:11 < jadew> I had similar issues 2014-09-12T00:29:47 < hesperaux> i have no idea what else to try here, except rebooting 2014-09-12T00:30:03 < jadew> that works 2014-09-12T00:35:05 < hesperaux> well, that's what i'm gonna do 2014-09-12T00:35:06 < hesperaux> mehhh 2014-09-12T00:36:07 < hesperaux> bbs 2014-09-12T00:36:10 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@c-50-129-64-145.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-12T00:43:00 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db7789f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-12T00:43:25 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-12T00:45:19 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T00:45:41 < hesperaux> ok now i'm pissed 2014-09-12T00:45:49 < hesperaux> the pos doesn't work 2014-09-12T00:45:52 < hesperaux> can't connect to the programmer 2014-09-12T00:47:03 < hesperaux> it works perfectly when I use my backup board 2014-09-12T00:47:22 < hesperaux> same discovery board, except I just overwrote the factory firmware it came with 2014-09-12T00:47:33 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-12T00:47:50 < effractur> k 2014-09-12T00:48:12 < qyx_> try to connect with reset button pressed 2014-09-12T00:48:35 < hesperaux> tried that already - it just hangs until i let go, and then rages 2014-09-12T00:48:45 * hesperaux will try using the st-link utility instead of coflash 2014-09-12T00:48:59 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T00:49:28 < hesperaux> it connects to the st-link utility just fine 2014-09-12T00:49:35 * hesperaux wipes the firmware with vengeance and furious anger 2014-09-12T00:50:06 < hesperaux> fixd 2014-09-12T00:50:14 < hesperaux> wow, that's special 2014-09-12T00:50:24 < hesperaux> must have somehow wrote bad firmware that blocked SWD 2014-09-12T00:50:31 < hesperaux> don't know how the st-link utility fixed that 2014-09-12T00:51:19 < qyx_> in that case you still should be able to program it under reset 2014-09-12T00:51:32 < qyx_> or enter rom bootloader and program here (using swd) 2014-09-12T00:52:03 < hesperaux> it is working fine now 2014-09-12T00:52:15 < hesperaux> i just used st-link util to wipe its flash and now coflash works 2014-09-12T00:52:39 < qyx_> i assume you are needing this step again soon 2014-09-12T00:57:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T00:57:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-12T00:57:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T01:05:33 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 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< gxti> speaking of which, time for some boring stuff: debugging coos scheduler problem 2014-09-12T04:17:42 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-12T04:17:52 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-12T04:17:53 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T04:18:46 < qyx_> golay codes haxxored, receiving 100kbps radio at -105dBm 2014-09-12T04:18:50 < qyx_> meh, actually half of that 2014-09-12T04:21:27 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2014-09-12T04:23:25 < dongs> wow. 2014-09-12T04:23:46 < dongs> this verical order will arrive today, i just ordered it 2 days ago 2014-09-12T04:23:46 < dongs> wtf 2014-09-12T04:23:51 < dongs> so fast 2014-09-12T04:24:14 < gxti> with the handling fees they charge it'd better be fast 2014-09-12T04:24:18 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T04:26:01 < dongs> heh 2014-09-12T04:26:07 < dongs> it was still half price of digidong 2014-09-12T04:26:09 < dongs> so its ok! 2014-09-12T04:26:12 < dongs> and paypal 2014-09-12T04:26:24 < dongs> i dont carea what they charge as long as its paypal 2014-09-12T04:31:06 < dongs> gxti: ever run vb/.pas scripts in altidong 2014-09-12T04:31:28 < gxti> i never run vb scripts period. it's like a one-way ticket to AIDSville. 2014-09-12T04:31:44 < dongs> yea , well, got a better way to rename 80 pins in order? 2014-09-12T04:32:14 < dongs> im making footprint for a dip module, and I need to number the pins according to what its labeled 2014-09-12T04:32:35 < gxti> unless you plan on doing it more than once, i doubt you'd save any time 2014-09-12T04:32:49 < dongs> seriously, 80 clicks? 2014-09-12T04:32:55 < dongs> and typing number 2014-09-12T04:32:57 < dongs> and pressing enter 2014-09-12T04:33:06 < dongs> http://caidiot.blogspot.jp/2011/06/renumbering-pcb-pads-with-mouse-click.html this should work if I can figure out how to do it :) 2014-09-12T04:33:56 < dongs> maybe just add .vbs and run or something. 2014-09-12T04:33:56 < dongs> trying. 2014-09-12T04:36:06 < dongs> hmpf. 2014-09-12T04:36:10 < dongs> it just runs and does nothing 2014-09-12T04:45:22 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-12T04:45:50 < gxti> reminds me, i played with scons a little at work last week. seems pretty nice. 2014-09-12T04:46:04 < gxti> will move my stuff over when i get really bored 2014-09-12T04:46:45 < dongs> lol scons 2014-09-12T04:48:22 < qyx_> mm need some sort of serial console for 1.8V board 2014-09-12T04:48:41 < qyx_> too low for usb, too low for rs232 2014-09-12T04:49:17 < [1]Jack3k3> amstan, i've tried like every way of resetting the I2S via the RCC->APB1RSTR (bit 14) and then clearing that flag, and re-enabling the clock via APB1ENR 2014-09-12T04:49:40 < [1]Jack3k3> but all of them cause the I2S to stop working, even after using re-enabling I2S (like via I2S_Cmd) 2014-09-12T04:50:11 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mnrubuxialpsvisg] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-12T04:51:36 < qyx_> thre must be some way of externally supplying >= 3V for usb 2014-09-12T04:54:03 < qyx_> or even better would be to keep io at 3.3V including external flash, which is rarely used 2014-09-12T04:54:13 < qyx_> and run 1.2V core from smps directly to save some power 2014-09-12T04:58:22 < dongs> yeah i dont know how the fuck thats supposed to work 2014-09-12T04:58:34 < dongs> chip w/usb can run at 2V but what happens to usb 2014-09-12T04:58:36 < dongs> like D+ pullup 2014-09-12T04:58:41 < dongs> or voltage levels in general 2014-09-12T04:59:36 < dongs> k still cant figure out how to run that fucking vbscript 2014-09-12T05:00:54 < dongs> nice 2014-09-12T05:00:59 < dongs> dxp button -> run script 2014-09-12T05:01:05 < dongs> 20 seconds later, 80 pins renumbered 2014-09-12T05:06:44 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@62.10.7.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-12T05:07:50 < qyx_> maybe external ft232 or similar stuff would work 2014-09-12T05:07:59 < qyx_> it could be supplied by usb directly 2014-09-12T05:08:15 < qyx_> and has vccio working from 1.8V 2014-09-12T05:08:31 < qyx_> but meh, another chip 2014-09-12T05:10:39 < gxti> dongs: after 30 minutes of dicking around yeah. but i guess now yo know. 2014-09-12T05:11:30 < gxti> time to upgrade coos, and see if they fixed that sem bug i immediately found when i set this stuff up 2014-09-12T05:11:40 < dongs> 'upgrade'? 2014-09-12T05:11:43 < dongs> there has been a new version? 2014-09-12T05:11:58 < gxti> 2014-6-23 2014-09-12T05:11:58 < dongs> ooo 2014-09-12T05:11:59 < dongs> 6.23/ 2014-09-12T05:12:12 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-215.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T05:12:16 < dongs> Corrected the bug of Semaphores, etc. 2014-09-12T05:12:16 < gxti> but i haven't upgraded it once since over a year ago 2014-09-12T05:12:36 < gxti> and now i have weird shit where if i packet flood, a different (non-networking-related) thread never wakes up from sleep 2014-09-12T05:12:48 < gxti> pretty sure i had it before but some changes i made recently made it worse 2014-09-12T05:13:09 < gxti> luckily the thread that fails is the one that pokes the watchdog so it resets, but not good 2014-09-12T05:29:10 < dongs> attn GargantuaSauce http://dangerousprototypes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6707&p=59190 2014-09-12T05:30:00 < GargantuaSauce> yeah mine werent neaarly that bad 2014-09-12T05:30:07 < GargantuaSauce> like .1mm ish 2014-09-12T05:38:12 -!- baird_ is now known as baird 2014-09-12T05:40:31 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-12T05:45:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-12T05:51:28 < zyp> no, I think he fell in love with stm32cube 2014-09-12T05:55:29 < [1]Jack3k3> does anyone have an idea for debugging DMA (used for I2S2 + I2S2ext in full duplex), I've already verified I can send data on the TX side, I verified data is coming in on the RX side, all clocks are on and correct valued, but the DMA rx buffer is always zero 2014-09-12T05:55:50 < [1]Jack3k3> I don't really know how to poke around from here though 2014-09-12T05:56:26 < zyp> does the dma count register decrement? 2014-09-12T05:56:56 < dongs> haha 2014-09-12T05:57:00 < dongs> no, cube sucks 2014-09-12T05:57:22 < dongs> R2COM: yes, when im not rewriting parts of it for myself 2014-09-12T05:58:37 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-12T05:58:55 < dongs> ya? 2014-09-12T05:59:22 < dongs> lunix or assdroid 2014-09-12T05:59:23 < dongs> :( 2014-09-12T05:59:40 < dongs> its probly expensive but works 2014-09-12T05:59:48 < [1]Jack3k3> zyp, is there an easy way to tell, I mean I can just break randomly in main and look at S3NDTR and it goes from 0x5e to 0x01 2014-09-12T06:00:04 < dongs> its jsut sdio driver, implement their protocol or wahtever 2014-09-12T06:00:07 < [1]Jack3k3> zyp, but I expect its doing stuff inbetween the breakpoint or something 2014-09-12T06:00:29 < dongs> but i duno how lowlever that shit is - maybe its not doing tcpip etc and you ahve to do it all 2014-09-12T06:00:43 < [1]Jack3k3> zyp, either way it's definitely changing values 2014-09-12T06:01:36 < zyp> okay, then you're either transferring from the wrong addr or in the wrong direction, or the peripheral you're reading from is configuring wrong and thus always reading zero 2014-09-12T06:01:43 < zyp> configured* 2014-09-12T06:01:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T06:02:19 < zyp> like lwip? 2014-09-12T06:02:33 -!- MrMobius 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emeb_mac> ie - from order to in my hand 2014-09-12T06:08:14 < dongs> heh 2014-09-12T06:08:21 < dongs> gxti, comeon is it THAT BAD 2014-09-12T06:08:27 < [1]Jack3k3> i think the wires are about 4-5inches long, also they're unshielded (just insulated jumpers), I wonder if thats causing problems 2014-09-12T06:08:28 < dongs> gxti: is only threads fucked? or something more? 2014-09-12T06:08:35 < emeb_mac> gxti: the "not broken" part is the tough one 2014-09-12T06:08:35 < zyp> emeb_mac, buying a couple 2014-09-12T06:08:39 < dongs> there's some patched in autoquad for a bit of threading in coos 2014-09-12T06:08:46 < dongs> but i duno if it fixes your shit 2014-09-12T06:08:56 < emeb_mac> zyp: they've also got some other interesting stuff at that site 2014-09-12T06:08:56 < dongs> i think its to do wiht thread priorityt 2014-09-12T06:09:07 < emeb_mac> ad9851 DDS module 2014-09-12T06:09:07 < zyp> too late, already ordered 2014-09-12T06:09:12 < emeb_mac> d'oh! 2014-09-12T06:09:35 < dongs> R2COM: usually the "module" handles all that shit 2014-09-12T06:09:40 < dongs> and you talk to it by sdio/uart/wahtever. 2014-09-12T06:09:47 < dongs> yes. 2014-09-12T06:10:00 < zyp> R2COM, the question is what's important to you 2014-09-12T06:10:14 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T06:10:14 < zyp> having the lightest solution possible or actually getting shit done 2014-09-12T06:10:39 < zyp> because reinventing all the wheels is a nice way to get nothing done 2014-09-12T06:10:43 < zyp> just ask me, I do it all the time 2014-09-12T06:10:51 < zyp> hah 2014-09-12T06:10:52 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-12T06:11:02 < gxti> if you write something new from scratch it will have 100x more glitches than the bloated lunixware 2014-09-12T06:11:04 < dongs> surely less glitches than would be in your own shitty code 2014-09-12T06:11:06 < dongs> ^ 2014-09-12T06:11:15 < gxti> so sometimes you just have to use what's there 2014-09-12T06:11:27 < gxti> WPA and stuff is not something that works well on super tiny hardware 2014-09-12T06:11:53 < gxti> so either you use (uc)linux or you use a module that bascially does the same thing but hides it from you 2014-09-12T06:13:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-12T06:15:09 < gxti> yes, i'm sure you can have your nice high-reliability WPA stack if you hand over a lot of cash 2014-09-12T06:15:09 < dongs> ya theres companes that sell "mission critical" lunix 2014-09-12T06:15:11 < dongs> but its just as shit 2014-09-12T06:15:18 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T06:15:21 < gxti> you're not going to find a free one lying around 2014-09-12T06:15:53 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-12T06:15:55 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has 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2014-09-12T06:18:34 < zyp> well, it's not worse than a legacy system 2014-09-12T06:18:53 < GargantuaSauce> who uses a 15 year old handheld device though? 2014-09-12T06:18:59 < gxti> maybe. or maybe you can use it to shut off the engine from the next car over. who knows. 2014-09-12T06:19:22 < GargantuaSauce> the car should last that long but imagine using a car with like an apple newton in it 2014-09-12T06:19:24 < [1]Jack3k3> if i configure the dma stream priority level as low, is it possible I can manually read data coming from the I2S2 even while DMA is enabled? 2014-09-12T06:19:44 < zyp> R2COM, but it'd still only be as useful as win95 ever was 2014-09-12T06:19:57 < dongs> R2COM: \\dtvcap has been up for: 1756 day(s), 21 hour(s), 41 minute(s), 33 second(s) Windows XP, capping TV shows daily. 2014-09-12T06:20:14 < dongs> who teh fuck ever said Windows was unstable or shit? 2014-09-12T06:20:49 < GargantuaSauce> have you seriously not had a power outage in 5 years 2014-09-12T06:21:35 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much would you pay me to write it? 2014-09-12T06:24:11 < GargantuaSauce> nobody designs shit to run for 50 years 2014-09-12T06:24:18 < GargantuaSauce> especially not software people! 2014-09-12T06:24:18 < gxti> they have more interesting software to write 2014-09-12T06:25:12 -!- [1]Jack3k3 [~Jack3k3@184-77-193-196.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-12T06:25:31 < gxti> dunno. try it and see. 2014-09-12T06:25:38 < zyp> about as hard, I'd guess 2014-09-12T06:25:51 < zyp> maybe a bit harder due to a lack of kernel frameworks you could build upon 2014-09-12T06:26:05 < zyp> but that's not relevant 2014-09-12T06:26:17 < zyp> the question is who would be interested in doing that 2014-09-12T06:26:21 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-12T06:26:22 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T06:27:03 < zyp> one could assume that linux drivers are being written by people wanting to use certain hardware with linux 2014-09-12T06:27:23 < zyp> and apparently nobody wants to use that certain hardware without linux 2014-09-12T06:27:39 < zyp> at least not somebody who are actually capable of getting shit done 2014-09-12T06:27:57 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-12T06:28:06 < zyp> because why would they, when there's already a working solution? 2014-09-12T06:29:00 < GargantuaSauce> portability is a big one also 2014-09-12T06:29:16 < GargantuaSauce> unless you make some pretty heavy abstraction layers all of your code is going to be worthless as you move from one platform to another 2014-09-12T06:29:24 < GargantuaSauce> and linux provides those layers for you 2014-09-12T06:29:41 < zyp> that looks like the shit that was in my old phone 2014-09-12T06:30:13 < zyp> sure sure 2014-09-12T06:30:23 < zyp> maybe it was wilink 6 or something 2014-09-12T06:30:37 < zyp> I bought it like four years ago 2014-09-12T06:31:04 < zyp> cool, then you get something more to masturbate to 2014-09-12T06:33:18 < zyp> wat 2014-09-12T06:36:26 < zyp> uh, those aren't even microcontrollers 2014-09-12T06:37:00 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T06:37:09 < emeb_mac> lol 2014-09-12T06:37:22 < emeb_mac> anything with that I/O is an MCU? 2014-09-12T06:37:43 < zyp> I think my haswell motherboard in my server also has a couple of gpio 2014-09-12T06:37:48 < emeb_mac> if you want an AM335x get a beaglebone 2014-09-12T06:38:02 < emeb_mac> you can program it bare-metal if you like 2014-09-12T06:38:27 < zyp> if you want to not get shit done, you mean 2014-09-12T06:39:15 < emeb_mac> R2COM: beats me - I only use gcc under linux for beaglebone 2014-09-12T06:39:53 < emeb_mac> zyp: does BMP serial port allow setting baudrate? 2014-09-12T06:40:12 < zyp> unsure, I cancheck 2014-09-12T06:41:37 < zyp> emeb_mac, looks so 2014-09-12T06:41:57 < emeb_mac> zyp: thx 2014-09-12T06:42:17 < emeb_mac> trying to talk to the esp8266 board and it need 57600 2014-09-12T06:42:29 < emeb_mac> so far no response 2014-09-12T06:42:37 < zyp> https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/blob/master/src/platforms/stm32/usbuart.c#L138 <- here's the code for handling it, so yes 2014-09-12T06:46:47 < emeb_mac> seems legit 2014-09-12T06:54:49 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-12T06:55:14 < emeb_mac> aha - new hardware rev on the esp boards - needs other pins pulled up to VCC 2014-09-12T06:57:23 < dongs> support = lolchina 2014-09-12T07:00:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2tmLOhm.png made footprint for cheapshit spartan6 module 2014-09-12T07:00:49 < dongs> R2COM: its stm32, and there's no "support" you just talk to it via AT-commands. ATblah to open socket, then send / receive data etc. the chip firmware handles all lowlevel shit 2014-09-12T07:00:57 < dongs> ATscanforwifi, atconnect bla bla etc. 2014-09-12T07:00:59 < emeb_mac> R2COM: just hooked to the serial port on a BMP for now and that's hooked to this mac via usb 2014-09-12T07:01:02 < dongs> (not actual commands but you get the idea 2014-09-12T07:01:23 < dongs> yeah, probly dont evne need a mcu to just debug, can use putty + shit 2014-09-12T07:01:28 < dongs> on a host pc 2014-09-12T07:01:36 < dongs> uart.... 2014-09-12T07:01:45 < dongs> and? 2014-09-12T07:01:52 < dongs> it could be 2014-09-12T07:01:55 < dongs> it has SDIO and SPI. 2014-09-12T07:02:48 < dongs> who cares 2014-09-12T07:03:34 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T07:03:34 < emeb_mac> R2COM: dunno - spec is all engrish 2014-09-12T07:04:24 < dongs> emeb_mac: keep blogging w/progress and ignore R2COM hes just a milspec troll 2014-09-12T07:04:37 < dongs> blogress 2014-09-12T07:04:40 < emeb_mac> heh 2014-09-12T07:04:48 < dongs> yes, very communist 2014-09-12T07:05:39 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-12T07:08:25 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2014-09-12T07:09:18 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T07:09:30 < emeb_mac> hee 2014-09-12T07:09:47 < emeb_mac> all your phones are belong to Huawei 2014-09-12T07:11:10 < dongs> im sure they do 2014-09-12T07:11:12 < dongs> full of chinese spyware 2014-09-12T07:12:40 < dongs> keep laughing 2014-09-12T07:12:44 < dongs> USA is gonna be a poor nation soon too 2014-09-12T07:12:53 < emeb_mac> you don't sell your best EW stuff to the other side 2014-09-12T07:13:18 < dongs> hmm 2014-09-12T07:13:23 < dongs> either this china schematsic is wrong 2014-09-12T07:13:34 < dongs> or tehre are duplicates of some difflanes on this spartan6.. 2014-09-12T07:13:43 < dongs> lol japan is dying faster than BSD 2014-09-12T07:13:49 < dongs> literally dying, theres like no new people and old peopel are dying 2014-09-12T07:15:14 < dongs> jews 2014-09-12T07:15:32 < dongs> after they bomb that palestinian shithole into a nuclear wasteland 2014-09-12T07:15:58 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-12T07:17:58 < GargantuaSauce> lol 2014-09-12T07:18:52 < GargantuaSauce> i think the answer might be nobody 2014-09-12T07:19:29 < GargantuaSauce> and when their prices plummet? 2014-09-12T07:21:04 < dongs> http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/demographic-crisis-empties-out-japans-rural-areas 2014-09-12T07:21:10 < dongs> mostly tl;dr but theres soem statistics in there 2014-09-12T07:21:25 < dongs> As a result, Japan.s countryside is emptying out at an alarming rate, in a demographic shift that by government estimates will see the population drop to 86 million over the next four decades from about 127 million now. 2014-09-12T07:21:55 < GargantuaSauce> nobody has sex in japan because all the guys are busy jerking it to pictures of hatsune miku 2014-09-12T07:22:04 < dongs> ^^ 2014-09-12T07:22:15 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-12T07:23:19 < dongs> they're all old and useless 2014-09-12T07:25:20 < dongs> spies 2014-09-12T07:25:57 < dongs> miek talks sometimes i think 2014-09-12T07:26:05 < dongs> never seen masa talk 2014-09-12T07:27:24 < GargantuaSauce> i like to think there's 3-4 ST employees that sit in here in order to laugh at us at the watercooler 2014-09-12T07:29:26 * GargantuaSauce adds an f4-based chatbot to his list 2014-09-12T07:30:33 < dongs> uh 2014-09-12T07:30:38 < dongs> what does japan produce 2014-09-12T07:30:41 < dongs> other than hentai 2014-09-12T07:30:46 < dongs> they've got nothing of value 2014-09-12T07:30:46 < GargantuaSauce> h...dammit 2014-09-12T07:31:06 < GargantuaSauce> yeah which are all made in north america 2014-09-12T07:31:09 < dongs> ^ 2014-09-12T07:36:46 < dongs> death to usa 2014-09-12T07:43:48 < dongs> duno 2014-09-12T07:57:39 < emeb_mac> ok - got the esd thingy to list the local wifi networks and join mine 2014-09-12T07:57:55 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T07:58:29 < emeb_mac> cause zigbee is like, everywhere 2014-09-12T07:58:34 < dongs> emeb_mac: cool 2014-09-12T08:04:31 < emeb_mac> lol - it "joins" my ap regardless of the WPA password I give it 2014-09-12T08:04:37 < dongs> nice 2014-09-12T08:04:41 < dongs> china haxed wpa 2014-09-12T08:04:57 < emeb_mac> more like it doesn't negotiate until you send data 2014-09-12T08:06:54 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2014-09-12T08:55:26 < ds2> R2COM: have you decided to go with ORCAD? 2014-09-12T08:55:38 < emeb_mac> AZCAD 2014-09-12T08:55:45 < ds2> yes 2014-09-12T08:55:45 < emeb_mac> NYCAD 2014-09-12T08:55:53 < ds2> ah 2014-09-12T08:55:57 < emeb_mac> pick a state - there's a CAD 2014-09-12T08:56:00 < dongs> more like NORCAD 2014-09-12T08:56:04 < ds2> OrCAD seems reasonably priced 2014-09-12T08:56:34 < ds2> SI analysis would be nice for DDR stuff 2014-09-12T08:57:59 < ds2> it looks like it is in all the OrCAD flavors 2014-09-12T08:58:11 < hesperaux> I put this in ##electronics, but it's better here: using an stm32f3 here (cortex m4). having a problem convincing the SPI peripheral to use 8bit mode. Anyone had a problem with it sending 16bits instead of 8? 2014-09-12T08:58:23 < ds2> going to talk to a sales guy... heard something about matching eagle pricing or like that 2014-09-12T08:58:29 < ds2> *nod* 2014-09-12T08:58:41 < ds2> I was at a PCB event 2014-09-12T08:58:45 < emeb_mac> smokin' deal 2014-09-12T08:58:49 < ds2> yep 2014-09-12T08:59:05 < ds2> working 3D output, SI analysis 2014-09-12T08:59:13 < ds2> R2COM: PCBwest? 2014-09-12T08:59:39 < ds2> ah 2014-09-12T09:00:37 < ds2> they said perpetual licenses 2014-09-12T09:00:47 < ds2> full price is $2K for the basic stuff 2014-09-12T09:00:56 < ds2> so Eagle prices is not unbelieveable 2014-09-12T09:01:09 < ds2> Ohhhh 2014-09-12T09:02:13 < ds2> never used that feature 2014-09-12T09:02:59 < ds2> cuz I would do it by hand 2014-09-12T09:03:20 < ds2> I wasn't expecting the SW to match it for me. I just want it to compute the impedence of the lines for me 2014-09-12T09:03:44 < ds2> one step at a time... 2014-09-12T09:04:01 < ds2> I don't need to review my transmission line classes 2014-09-12T09:04:32 < dongs> http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1410444747&typecate=06§ion= lol 2014-09-12T09:04:48 < ds2> I'll find out from the sales guy 2014-09-12T09:05:23 < hesperaux> dongs, interesting 2014-09-12T09:07:17 < hesperaux> so anyone with the SPI thing? 2014-09-12T09:08:51 < ds2> curves are too complex 2014-09-12T09:12:43 < hesperaux> :D nvm got it 2014-09-12T09:42:10 -!- _franck__ [53c9cf95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.201.207.149] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:00:14 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-12T10:00:40 -!- alan5 [~quassel@109.200.21.178] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:01:30 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@109.144.191.252] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:04:10 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:05:49 -!- alan5 [~quassel@109.200.21.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-12T10:08:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:10:51 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:11:21 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-12T10:18:04 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@86.125.228.95] has quit [] 2014-09-12T10:29:01 -!- alan5 [~quassel@188.227.181.234] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:29:01 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@109.144.191.252] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-12T10:29:12 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.198.49] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 2014-09-12T10:32:59 -!- dobson [~dobson@192.241.198.49] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:36:30 -!- rewolff [~wolff@ip113-99-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-12T10:37:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-12T10:38:33 -!- rewolff [~wolff@ip113-99-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:39:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-12T10:39:13 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:41:15 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-12T10:50:23 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T10:56:54 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T11:00:53 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T11:09:18 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@109.144.135.112] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T11:13:11 -!- alan5 [~quassel@188.227.181.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-12T11:27:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-12T11:30:05 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T11:30:59 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host109-152-249-64.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T11:31:30 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host109-152-249-64.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-12T11:31:44 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host109-152-249-64.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T11:34:19 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@109.144.135.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-12T11:37:08 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tznpkpyoviivaspp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T11:50:25 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-12T12:02:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T12:17:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T12:22:32 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T13:02:44 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-215.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-12T13:12:30 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-12T13:13:24 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T13:14:28 < dongs> attn GargantuaSauce http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/ATHLETE_robot_climbing_a_hill.jpg 2014-09-12T13:15:22 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T13:26:22 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-12T13:27:22 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T13:35:15 < karlp> hesperaux: did you figure out your spi write width thing? 2014-09-12T13:35:53 < dongs> 15:07 < hesperaux> so anyone with the SPI thing? 2014-09-12T13:35:54 < dongs> 15:12 < hesperaux> :D nvm got it 2014-09-12T13:35:55 < dongs> yes 2014-09-12T13:36:20 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T13:37:04 < karlp> missed it in all the r2commie noise 2014-09-12T13:37:19 < dongs> heh 2014-09-12T13:40:11 -!- Abhishek__ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tznpkpyoviivaspp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-12T13:43:59 < karlp> AT commands are pretty oldschool, I thought most of the dongles were using qmi, though I guess that's normally over usb, not serial. 2014-09-12T13:49:39 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T13:56:05 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-12T14:09:38 < akaWolf> karlp: but thet are pretty simple 2014-09-12T14:09:42 < akaWolf> they* 2014-09-12T14:10:59 < akaWolf> karlp: it's why they are still in use 2014-09-12T14:14:50 < dongs> any shotcut key in altium to put a knee in a track 2014-09-12T14:14:56 < dongs> something like break track but not 2014-09-12T14:16:41 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T14:16:50 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T14:17:40 * Intelaida slaps akaWolf around a bit with a large fishbot 2014-09-12T14:18:40 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T14:20:23 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-12T14:20:32 < Laurenceb> more like fleshbot 2014-09-12T14:23:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T14:26:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-12T14:26:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR_ is now known as trepidaciousMBR 2014-09-12T14:31:57 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T14:34:46 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@host86-180-32-229.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T14:37:17 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host109-152-249-64.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-12T14:47:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-12T14:48:01 < Tectu_> hi 2014-09-12T14:55:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T15:12:24 < Steffanx> lol Tectu_ is mad :D 2014-09-12T15:13:50 < jpa-> it's because he couldn't slap me 2014-09-12T15:13:57 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T15:15:21 < Tectu_> I couldn't? I didn't want to 2014-09-12T15:15:44 < jpa-> i used social engineering to make it so 2014-09-12T15:20:37 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T15:27:51 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-243-215.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T15:32:38 < Steffanx> No it was something i said to him jpa- 2014-09-12T15:32:40 < Steffanx> :P 2014-09-12T15:33:03 < jpa-> oh no.. he'll be so angry 2014-09-12T15:45:10 < dongs> hm 2014-09-12T15:46:01 < jpa-> hm hm 2014-09-12T15:48:48 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-12T16:17:44 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Quit: Odcházím] 2014-09-12T16:32:25 < GargantuaSauce> dongs yeah i plan on ripping off that design at some point 2014-09-12T16:32:29 < GargantuaSauce> it's way cool 2014-09-12T16:35:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/4FwW43H.png thats a lucky pinout 2014-09-12T16:35:58 < dongs> would probly be cooler to put one of htem at 45" 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anyway Eagle is easier to use even if I have switched to KIcad for other project 2014-09-12T21:05:50 < bvernoux> just for fun the HydraBus firmware for micropython is released too 2014-09-12T21:06:34 < bvernoux> https://github.com/bvernoux/hydrabus/tree/master/firmware/micropython 2014-09-12T21:08:16 < dongs> is there a microC for it 2014-09-12T21:08:18 < dongs> cuz python sucks. 2014-09-12T21:08:38 < Jack3k3> if I give the dma chanel that is supposed to transfer from spi2 to memory low priority , is there a better chance i can read from main() the contents of I2S2->DR 2014-09-12T21:09:21 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4db7789f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T21:11:57 < Jack3k3> oh i guess not, thats only for priority between DMA streams 2014-09-12T21:22:32 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T21:27:25 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-12T21:35:11 -!- tonyarkles 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inside that if statement repeatedly, however I2S2ext->DR is always zero (even thought the codec is sending data). Also the I2S2extSR shows that TI Frame Format Error, Busy Flag, and OverRun Flag are all set 2014-09-12T22:05:50 < Jack3k3> also, for some reason there is activity on the I2S2 TX line even though rx_buffer is all zeros... 2014-09-12T22:06:17 < emeb> weird 2014-09-12T22:07:30 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@71-17-38-145.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Quit: tonyarkles] 2014-09-12T22:08:01 < Jack3k3> yeah, I guess I need to look through the functions in audio.c, but it looks like they are stuffing tx_buffer with data 2014-09-12T22:08:16 < Jack3k3> didnt think that would happen if rx_buffer is allzero tho 2014-09-12T22:18:26 < Jack3k3> emeb oo i found something weird 2014-09-12T22:19:01 < Jack3k3> in the audio_delay_fbk function, when you copy the delayed value to the destination with *dst++ = *audio_ptr, *audio_ptr is nonzero 2014-09-12T22:20:28 < emeb> random data out of the buffer? 2014-09-12T22:20:38 < Jack3k3> although in the Audio_Init function it seems like the intent is to set *audio_ptr to zero. (also note im stepping through on the first run so this shouldnt be modified) 2014-09-12T22:23:57 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.27.91.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-09-12T22:25:33 < Jack3k3> so im stepping through the Audio_init function, theres something sketchy going on here, after I let the while loop go thats supposed to count from i=AUDIO_BUFSZ down to i=0, if I look at i it says i=42949672995 2014-09-12T22:26:13 < Jack3k3> oh unless because its unsigned maybe 2014-09-12T22:27:00 < Jack3k3> yeah i guess thats right since it goes back around after hittin 0, nevermind 2014-09-12T22:28:46 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@host86-164-26-217.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T22:29:17 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.23.152] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-12T22:29:33 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host109-152-255-216.range109-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-12T22:30:02 < Jack3k3> anyways, looking at that function audio_buffer is 0 until index 328, so 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2014-09-13T04:34:23 < upgrdman_> three mask colors living in harmony 2014-09-13T04:37:06 < upgrdman_> brb 2014-09-13T04:37:09 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-13T04:37:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T04:39:32 -!- blight__ [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-13T04:40:06 < upgrdman> bought some non-polarized electrolytic caps. any idea how they work? look just like polarized alum electo's 2014-09-13T04:40:35 < GargantuaSauce> never heard of such a thing....are you sure they arent polarized? 2014-09-13T04:40:47 < GargantuaSauce> thought it was kind of an inherent feature of electrolytic capacitors.. 2014-09-13T04:41:50 < upgrdman> they're specifically marked non-polarized 2014-09-13T04:41:53 < zyp> there exists some bipolar capacitors 2014-09-13T04:41:59 < GargantuaSauce> by separately anodizing aluminum plates and then interleaving them in a borax bath, it is possible to make a capacitor that can be used in AC systems 2014-09-13T04:42:02 < GargantuaSauce> huh, thanks wikipedia 2014-09-13T04:42:26 < zyp> there are also some that are two normal polarized capacitors in parallel with diodes 2014-09-13T04:42:28 < upgrdman> hmm 2014-09-13T04:42:42 < zyp> hmm, in series actually, with diodes in parallel 2014-09-13T04:42:47 < upgrdman> http://www.nteinc.com/capacitor_web/pdf/npr_npa.pdf ... mine are NTE 2014-09-13T04:42:51 < zyp> so the reverse capacitor is shorted out by the diode 2014-09-13T04:43:39 < upgrdman> i wonder how quickly they will blow up when i wire up my ghetto mini induction heater 2014-09-13T04:43:50 < upgrdman> was too cheap to buy ceramics 2014-09-13T04:44:09 < GargantuaSauce> whats the ripple current gonna be 2014-09-13T04:44:25 < upgrdman> amps :) 2014-09-13T04:44:28 < upgrdman> maybe 10 2014-09-13T04:44:36 < upgrdman> i should wear a face mask 2014-09-13T04:45:04 < upgrdman> i should check the esr. 2014-09-13T04:45:14 < upgrdman> good thick i bought that LCR meter. brb. 2014-09-13T04:45:49 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it bothers me that that sheet doesn't list esr 2014-09-13T04:45:56 < GargantuaSauce> or rated ripple current 2014-09-13T04:47:53 < GargantuaSauce> suspect it's gonna be on the order of an ohm 2014-09-13T04:49:23 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T04:50:26 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-231-240.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-13T04:51:13 < upgrdman> 10uF 1.4ohm 2014-09-13T04:51:16 < upgrdman> :/ 2014-09-13T04:51:18 < GargantuaSauce> heheh 2014-09-13T04:51:22 < GargantuaSauce> yep that's not gonna go well 2014-09-13T04:51:43 < GargantuaSauce> well maybe it could dissipate 10W if you immerse it in mineral oil 2014-09-13T04:52:04 < GargantuaSauce> that'd make the explosion more interesting too 2014-09-13T04:52:59 < upgrdman> and a 2.1uF 5.3ohm... FML 2014-09-13T04:53:18 < upgrdman> maybe i could do the dual polarized + dual diodes thinggy 2014-09-13T04:53:26 < upgrdman> i have some power shottkys 2014-09-13T04:53:44 < GargantuaSauce> yeah that might be the best course of action 2014-09-13T04:55:08 < GargantuaSauce> have you got nice polarized ones? aluminium-polymer might be in order 2014-09-13T04:55:10 < upgrdman> or i could make a huge ass array of 100nF ceramic decoupling caps 2014-09-13T04:55:19 < GargantuaSauce> i like that idea better 2014-09-13T04:55:28 < GargantuaSauce> a whole reel in parallel 2014-09-13T04:55:37 < upgrdman> i have a half reel of TDK 104 caps 2014-09-13T04:55:52 < upgrdman> time to rig some atrocity together 2014-09-13T04:56:08 < upgrdman> OH FUCK YESS 2014-09-13T04:56:12 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-231-240.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T04:56:15 < upgrdman> i forgot i have some 10uF ceramics 2014-09-13T04:56:44 < upgrdman> but they were like $2 or $3 each.... hmmmm. to waste or not to waste 2014-09-13T04:57:14 < GargantuaSauce> it's hardly a waste if you make a cool thing and learn stuff! 2014-09-13T04:57:29 < upgrdman> true. i think i'll do it. 2014-09-13T04:57:43 < upgrdman> not like i have many other uses for 50V multilayer ceramic 10uF caps 2014-09-13T04:57:49 < upgrdman> well immediate uses 2014-09-13T04:58:33 < upgrdman> do ceramic MLCC caps fail catastrophically of overvolted? 2014-09-13T04:58:42 < upgrdman> or just crack 2014-09-13T04:59:05 < upgrdman> (not just which kind of inductive spikes i'll get form the inductive heater) 2014-09-13T04:59:08 < GargantuaSauce> i think they might fail short 2014-09-13T04:59:17 < upgrdman> cool. i can deal with that. 2014-09-13T05:02:02 < GargantuaSauce> you're going to be driving it in resonance right? 2014-09-13T05:02:34 < GargantuaSauce> in which case there shouldn't be spikes because you'll be switching at zero amps 2014-09-13T05:03:14 < upgrdman> k 2014-09-13T05:03:21 < upgrdman> plan to try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVYMLnXW9uo&t=11m20s 2014-09-13T05:04:53 < GargantuaSauce> lol that power supply 2014-09-13T05:05:06 < upgrdman> ya 2014-09-13T05:07:04 < GargantuaSauce> make sure the L2 choke has a nice and chunky core, saturating it would be a bad thing and the writeup fails to mention that 2014-09-13T05:07:53 < upgrdman> l2 dampens the spikes need by the psu, right? 2014-09-13T05:08:16 < upgrdman> s/need/seen 2014-09-13T05:09:20 < GargantuaSauce> yeah 2014-09-13T05:09:50 < GargantuaSauce> i feel like there should be a capacitor on the centre tap to ground too but i dunno. my power electronics-fu is not strong 2014-09-13T05:10:32 < upgrdman> without l2 would you just be mean to the psu, or would the psu see high voltage spikes? 2014-09-13T05:10:58 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-13T05:11:38 < GargantuaSauce> well when one of the mosfets initially turns on one half of L1 will effectively be a short to ground right 2014-09-13T05:11:58 < GargantuaSauce> the current limited only by its meager inductance 2014-09-13T05:12:50 < GargantuaSauce> it'll pull the voltage down which will also decrease the mosfet's gate voltage 2014-09-13T05:12:52 < GargantuaSauce> and uh that's bad 2014-09-13T05:14:23 < upgrdman> oooo 2014-09-13T05:14:23 < upgrdman> ok 2014-09-13T05:14:47 < GargantuaSauce> i kinda want to build this too, dont think i have a suitable tank capacitor though 2014-09-13T05:17:47 < GargantuaSauce> i kinda feel like the switching should be a lot fancier 2014-09-13T05:20:30 < GargantuaSauce> i dont have any schottkys with >30V ratings either, fuck 2014-09-13T05:30:18 < dongs> getting stoned 2014-09-13T05:30:19 < dongs> sup 2014-09-13T05:30:35 < dongs> oh right. 2014-09-13T05:30:37 < dongs> i need to assemble somethign 2014-09-13T05:32:04 < GargantuaSauce> smoke flux erryday 2014-09-13T05:32:58 < GargantuaSauce> screw it i am going to scrounge up everything i need to build that ghetto circuit right now 2014-09-13T05:33:15 < GargantuaSauce> i do kind of wish i had an intermediate power supply between 3A and 30A 2014-09-13T05:33:48 < GargantuaSauce> the latter would be an excellent recipe for fireworks now wouldn't it 2014-09-13T05:41:26 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-09-13T05:45:41 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T05:57:38 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T06:02:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T06:10:58 < GargantuaSauce> oh boy. 2014-09-13T06:11:19 < emeb_mac> be still my heart 2014-09-13T06:13:11 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-13T06:13:36 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T06:23:36 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-13T06:26:03 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T06:26:49 < dongs> blogging 2014-09-13T06:33:34 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-13T06:38:19 < dongs> dragon circuits 2014-09-13T06:38:22 < dongs> they're such t rolls 2014-09-13T06:38:24 < dongs> trolls, even 2014-09-13T06:38:32 < dongs> check out thier site 2014-09-13T06:38:46 < dongs> they claim to be usa's leading pcb supplier for military and aerospace 2014-09-13T06:38:55 < dongs> however according to google, last time they had some military contract was in 2001 2014-09-13T06:39:00 < dongs> and they've been failing since hten 2014-09-13T06:46:20 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T06:46:20 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-13T06:46:20 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T06:48:37 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-13T06:52:29 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T06:52:56 -!- akaWolf1 [~akaWolf@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-13T07:05:00 < hesperaux> FYI, Deanston brand scotch is awesome 2014-09-13T07:05:12 < hesperaux> 30 bucks a bottle and it tastes like a 50 dollar bottle - just a little sweeter and slightly less complex 2014-09-13T07:05:38 < dongs> opensource alchoholic 2014-09-13T07:06:41 < GargantuaSauce> putting the "sauce" in open sauce 2014-09-13T07:06:51 < hesperaux> lol 2014-09-13T07:07:03 < hesperaux> you guys don't like scotch? 2014-09-13T07:07:08 < hesperaux> scotch is such taste 2014-09-13T07:07:12 < GargantuaSauce> i never got into scotch 2014-09-13T07:09:55 < hesperaux> i got into scotch 2014-09-13T07:09:58 < hesperaux> it's my fave 2014-09-13T07:10:20 < hesperaux> beer, wine, whiskey, scotch, in order of increasing preferedness 2014-09-13T07:10:30 < hesperaux> not a big fan of vodka but it's ok, and rum is eh 2014-09-13T07:12:46 < hesperaux> my g/f just got a second yahtzee on sixes. wtf 2014-09-13T07:21:25 < hesperaux> back to being awesome though: gotta set up a couple of timers on stm32. never done this before 2014-09-13T07:21:37 < hesperaux> traps for young players guys, go :D 2014-09-13T07:22:13 < GargantuaSauce> rcc clock enable register 2014-09-13T07:22:29 < GargantuaSauce> always fucking forget that one 2014-09-13T07:22:54 < GargantuaSauce> and one apb bus runs at twice the speed of the other, so double check which one the timer is on 2014-09-13T07:23:16 < hesperaux> i know, i did spi yesterday and raged becuase i forgot to enable its GPIO pin clock 2014-09-13T07:23:45 < hesperaux> i enabled AF, enabled the spi, enabled the SPI clock, and enabled all the GPIO 2014-09-13T07:23:50 < hesperaux> forgot the damn gpio clock 2014-09-13T07:24:22 < emeb_mac> common mistake 2014-09-13T07:24:38 < hesperaux> indeed. i've made it many times 2014-09-13T07:24:45 < emeb_mac> ditto 2014-09-13T07:25:00 < emeb_mac> "did you plug it in?" 2014-09-13T07:25:33 < emeb_mac> http://kasperhauser.com/khraigslist/14quot-mini-bike-used-lord-rings-1200 2014-09-13T07:26:06 < hesperaux> Mint condition mini bike actually used in “The Two Towers” 2014-09-13T07:26:06 < hesperaux> in the scene where all the dwarves ride mini bikes around the giant camels after my girlfriend and I smoked meth. 2014-09-13T07:26:07 < hesperaux> LOL 2014-09-13T07:26:33 < GargantuaSauce> that was in return of the king 2014-09-13T07:26:35 < GargantuaSauce> idiot 2014-09-13T07:28:15 < hesperaux> emeb_mac, thanks for that. i lold hard 2014-09-13T07:28:27 < emeb_mac> all part of the service 2014-09-13T07:28:59 < emeb_mac> here's one for dongs: https://twitter.com/ashyda/status/510415353420054528/photo/1 2014-09-13T07:30:03 < hesperaux> xD hah 2014-09-13T07:30:11 < hesperaux> that is some major dick 2014-09-13T07:30:17 < hesperaux> wow 2014-09-13T07:30:17 < emeb_mac> heh 2014-09-13T07:30:25 < emeb_mac> falsie 2014-09-13T07:35:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T07:47:03 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T07:56:40 < baird> no homo 2014-09-13T07:58:31 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.221.97] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T07:58:31 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T07:58:31 -!- qyx_ [~qyx@krtko.org] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T07:58:31 -!- _Sync_ [~foobar@sync-hv.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T07:59:24 -!- kuldeepdhaka is now known as Guest94038 2014-09-13T08:04:07 -!- Guest94038 is now known as kuldeepdhaka 2014-09-13T08:04:21 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@117.254.221.97] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-13T08:04:21 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T08:04:40 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/session] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-13T08:04:40 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aqrdhnujftptdjwl] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T08:04:41 < upgrdman> inductive heater works! not very well, but it works :) raises screwdriver temp by 20F. http://www.farrellf.com/temp/inductive_heater_revA.jpg time to make a decent coil. 2014-09-13T08:05:33 < upgrdman> gotta find some thick copper solid core wire or thin tube 2014-09-13T08:07:55 < hesperaux> upgrdman, where'd you get all those transistors? are they IGBTs? how much $? 2014-09-13T08:08:10 < upgrdman> they n fets. and were free. 2014-09-13T08:08:43 < emeb_mac> mmm... free nfets 2014-09-13T08:08:44 < hesperaux> not fair 2014-09-13T08:08:49 < hesperaux> i want 2014-09-13T08:09:12 < dongs> chatspace 2014-09-13T08:09:30 < upgrdman> i have a box full of free TO220 FETs 2014-09-13T08:09:40 < upgrdman> that's like one bag, of maybe 10 bags 2014-09-13T08:11:05 < hesperaux> how'd you get them free, and where do I go to do that 2014-09-13T08:11:58 < upgrdman> 60V 45A 4.5mOhm and for inductive loads 2014-09-13T08:12:13 < upgrdman> you get them free by working for a company that throws away old stock 2014-09-13T08:12:32 < upgrdman> and asking management nicely 2014-09-13T08:13:32 < hesperaux> nice 2014-09-13T08:13:36 < hesperaux> i'm gonna do that 2014-09-13T08:13:49 * hesperaux gets hired at a company for their free transistors 2014-09-13T08:14:18 < upgrdman> you could also just buy some. if you buy 100+ they're cheap-ish, even from mouser. 2014-09-13T08:16:54 < hesperaux> upgrdman, they work better if they are free 2014-09-13T08:16:58 < hesperaux> it lowers the RDSon 2014-09-13T08:17:05 < hesperaux> ^law of the universe 2014-09-13T08:17:10 < upgrdman> k 2014-09-13T08:26:19 < upgrdman> im soo tempted to buy a thermal camera 2014-09-13T08:26:28 < upgrdman> i need a new toy. badly. 2014-09-13T08:33:51 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aqrdhnujftptdjwl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-13T08:39:21 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T08:50:39 < MrMobius> So what are "significant figures?" 2014-09-13T08:50:40 < MrMobius> http://postimg.org/image/y1mmbns4l/ 2014-09-13T08:53:09 < upgrdman> $425 ... hmmm http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-VT02-Visual-IR-Thermometer/dp/B00APPPL2W/ref=sr_1_6?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1410587475&sr=1-6&keywords=thermal+camera 2014-09-13T08:57:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-13T08:58:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T09:01:13 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-13T09:37:10 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-13T09:37:55 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T09:44:28 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2014-09-13T09:45:06 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T09:46:52 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-13T09:50:10 < dongs> upgrdman: that thing is garbage 2014-09-13T09:50:17 < dongs> like 16x16 thermal rez 2014-09-13T09:50:31 < upgrdman> ya. noticed after i linked :( 2014-09-13T09:50:31 < dongs> get the E4 flir for $1k, hax i 2014-09-13T09:50:33 < dongs> t 2014-09-13T09:50:45 < upgrdman> seems recent e4 firmware is encrypted 2014-09-13T09:50:53 < upgrdman> and not yet broken 2014-09-13T09:51:10 < upgrdman> otherwise i would totally do it without a second thought 2014-09-13T09:51:14 < dongs> duno. im not upgrading mine :D 2014-09-13T09:51:28 < upgrdman> you have an e4? 2014-09-13T09:51:33 < dongs> ya 2014-09-13T09:51:37 < upgrdman> like it? 2014-09-13T09:51:42 < dongs> sure, its great 2014-09-13T09:51:47 < dongs> paypal'd it when the hax info came out 2014-09-13T09:51:59 < upgrdman> worth the $1k for non-hacked? 2014-09-13T09:52:33 < dongs> no 2014-09-13T09:52:51 < dongs> i mean, sure, but default 60x60 is pretty fuzzy for thermal 2014-09-13T09:52:59 < upgrdman> ya :( 2014-09-13T09:54:43 < englishman> you can search ebay for "old firmware" e4 2014-09-13T09:54:46 < englishman> as if the seller puts "omg hax" it gets deleted 2014-09-13T09:56:17 < dongs> haha 2014-09-13T09:56:21 < dongs> they're also double the price 2014-09-13T09:56:41 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271602938986 or you can just skip the hax part.. 2014-09-13T10:12:57 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T10:20:56 -!- ^Posterdati^ [~Posterdat@host177-229-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 2014-09-13T10:21:03 -!- Posterdati [~Posterdat@host177-229-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T10:21:22 < hesperaux> what's the trick to enable an AF pin on the STM32F3xx? 2014-09-13T10:21:53 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvdidowsjrmtsubu] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T10:22:01 < hesperaux> i enabled the RCC clock for the GPIO port the TX uses, the USART peripheral itself, and set the alternate config for that pin to the appropriate GPIO_AF_x 2014-09-13T10:22:25 < hesperaux> on the F100 I had to enable an AFIO clock as well - but I don't see that defined for STM32F3 2014-09-13T10:25:53 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-127-23.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T10:27:01 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-127-23.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-13T10:27:13 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-127-23.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T10:28:31 < hesperaux> R2COM, i'm using the C library 2014-09-13T10:29:02 < hesperaux> the datasheet is a bottom-up description, and I can't find a section in the USART chapter talking about RCC 2014-09-13T10:29:52 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-127-23.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-13T10:30:06 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-127-23.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T10:31:51 < hesperaux> in summary, I don't want to set the bits manually - the library should do that 2014-09-13T10:39:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-09-13T10:43:25 < hesperaux> i believe so yes 2014-09-13T10:44:12 < hesperaux> minus the NVIC part, I'm doing exactly what this guy is doing: https://code.google.com/p/andrei-development/source/browse/branches/dev/stm32f3-discovery/Navigation/src/usart.c 2014-09-13T10:47:26 < hesperaux> it comes from ST 2014-09-13T10:47:36 < hesperaux> I like their libs so far - much better than microchip's 2014-09-13T10:49:12 < hesperaux> meh. the thing is working. nevermind 2014-09-13T10:49:17 < hesperaux> i put my LA on it and it's working fine 2014-09-13T10:49:22 < hesperaux> stupid serial to usb adapter is failing 2014-09-13T10:50:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T10:52:06 < hesperaux> I like the way they take structs for config 2014-09-13T10:52:16 < hesperaux> and all their constants and struct members are well-named and well-organized 2014-09-13T10:52:46 < hesperaux> it's a very simple library that doesn't attempt to accomplish too much in any given function 2014-09-13T10:52:50 < hesperaux> how is it shitty? 2014-09-13T10:53:41 < hesperaux> how is it overdesigned? 2014-09-13T10:54:07 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-13T10:54:09 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T10:54:35 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-13T10:55:14 < hesperaux> lol, are you gonna be a dick or make a point? I'm seriously wondering what you think is wrong with the library. Why do you think it is over-designed? 2014-09-13T10:58:59 < hesperaux> there is definitely a lot of assert_param crap 2014-09-13T10:59:42 < hesperaux> i am not asking for an exhaustive analysis, just a couple of things you've noticed, which you just said 2014-09-13T11:00:41 < hesperaux> That's what I'm saying lol 2014-09-13T11:02:21 < hesperaux> how well does that port from one chip to another? 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dials 2014-09-13T16:10:28 < dongs> to set temperature 2014-09-13T16:10:31 < dongs> which dont work 2014-09-13T16:10:35 < dongs> and just end up being maxed out 2014-09-13T16:10:43 < _Sync_> then you got cheap shit 2014-09-13T16:11:29 < _Sync_> my weller worked well for years but does not have enough bawlz to melt lead free on large ground planes 2014-09-13T16:12:23 < Claude> can also recommend jbc 2014-09-13T16:13:31 < _Sync_> the tips also survive being heated to red hot due to a crashed controller 2014-09-13T16:14:05 < Claude> _Sync_, how did you build the controller? afaik jbc uses HF for the heaters 2014-09-13T16:14:38 < _Sync_> they don't 2014-09-13T16:14:43 < _Sync_> it's just a resistive element 2014-09-13T16:14:47 < dongs> fuck that then 2014-09-13T16:14:49 < _Sync_> with a TC coupled to it 2014-09-13T16:14:55 < Claude> uh? mine does 2014-09-13T16:15:31 < Claude> at least i get nasty HF on the scope when i touch the soldering iron tip with my scope tip :) 2014-09-13T16:15:40 < _Sync_> https://www.bluethundertechnologies.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/245751-e1349357542312.gif if it has one of those cartridges it is just a regular resistive one 2014-09-13T16:15:56 < _Sync_> dongs: it's not your regular heater+exchangable tips deal 2014-09-13T16:16:26 < _Sync_> also I was very unhappy with metcal, if you don't have enough power to keep the tip hot you can't turn the heat up 2014-09-13T16:16:41 < _Sync_> which sucked hard 2014-09-13T16:16:45 < _Sync_> so I went the jbc route 2014-09-13T16:16:57 < _Sync_> which works just fine 2014-09-13T16:21:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-121-228.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-13T16:22:36 < Claude> okay read a bit up on the jbc , interresting concept :) the heater wire is also the thermocouple . that way they can push these 180W (250W on the HD) into that tiny cartridge 2014-09-13T16:22:46 < _Sync_> yes 2014-09-13T16:23:29 < dongs> i dont need 250W iron 2014-09-13T16:23:29 < _Sync_> works very well, and due to the low temperature mass of the tip you always get the power you need to keep the temp constant 2014-09-13T16:23:39 < dongs> i need an iron that can melt on contact of 0402 2014-09-13T16:23:45 < dongs> and not fucking need dicking with 2014-09-13T16:23:51 < _Sync_> which the jbc hd will do 2014-09-13T16:23:55 < _Sync_> even though it is 250W 2014-09-13T16:24:17 < Claude> yeah i don't need a 250W iron either. but i can solder with the same tip and temp setting everyting from 0402 to big ass heat sinks on ground planes ;) 2014-09-13T16:24:20 < _Sync_> get some used jbc advanced ad2200 on ebay and deal with it 2014-09-13T16:25:06 < dongs> that just looks like a fucking fukko888-style shit 2014-09-13T16:25:08 < dongs> how can that be any good 2014-09-13T16:25:29 < dongs> how long does it take to heat up 2014-09-13T16:25:44 < _Sync_> 4 sec 2014-09-13T16:25:47 < Claude> 1 second? 2014-09-13T16:25:51 < Claude> oh 4 .. 2014-09-13T16:25:53 < dongs> from cold? 2014-09-13T16:25:55 < _Sync_> yes 2014-09-13T16:26:02 < _Sync_> 180W, bitch 2014-09-13T16:33:57 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@host86-145-97-245.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-13T16:34:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.117.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-13T16:54:43 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-13T16:55:23 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Fleck, dobson, Rickta59 2014-09-13T16:55:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Rickta59 2014-09-13T16:55:31 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: joph 2014-09-13T16:55:49 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: rewolff1, forrestv, tkoskine_, jadew, R0b0t1 2014-09-13T16:55:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: joph 2014-09-13T16:55:52 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ds2 2014-09-13T16:55:53 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@irc.tkoskine.me] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T16:56:07 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jadew 2014-09-13T16:57:00 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rewolff1 2014-09-13T16:57:10 -!- Netsplit 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The move will mean installing the open source operating system on 8,300 PCs, which will generate an immediate saving of roughly .300 per machine (almost .2.5m altogether, made up from the cost of Windows and Office licences) . a sum that will grow over the years as the need for the renewal of proprietary software licences va 2014-09-13T17:33:00 < dongs> haha 2014-09-13T17:41:30 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-13T17:59:27 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T18:01:56 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T18:02:30 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-13T18:09:36 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-13T18:09:38 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 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GargantuaSauce> not using a breadboard 2014-09-13T22:17:59 < upgrdman> o ok 2014-09-13T22:18:15 < GargantuaSauce> i am not gonna put several amps through a breadboard lol 2014-09-13T22:18:19 < upgrdman> diodes the right way? band toward opposite drain 2014-09-13T22:18:25 < GargantuaSauce> yeah 2014-09-13T22:18:41 < GargantuaSauce> wonder if the cap is bad 2014-09-13T22:18:49 < upgrdman> lcr meter? 2014-09-13T22:18:51 < GargantuaSauce> i found it in a big ol' box-o-shit 2014-09-13T22:20:00 < GargantuaSauce> it might be stable because of the current limiting ps 2014-09-13T22:20:10 < GargantuaSauce> but i am scared to try the 30A one 2014-09-13T22:21:00 < Steffanx> Just do it. 2014-09-13T22:21:09 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T22:22:11 < upgrdman> ya my little one wants like 3A with just 4V .... 2014-09-13T22:22:28 < upgrdman> and i too dont have a high-current lab psu.... so if i go ATX 5V im scared 2014-09-13T22:23:12 < GargantuaSauce> well those are very good about tripping in overcurrent conditions 2014-09-13T22:23:22 < GargantuaSauce> too good in fact, 2014-09-13T22:23:24 < upgrdman> well ya, but it's a 600W atx psu 2014-09-13T22:23:31 < upgrdman> so it will trip at like a bijilion amps 2014-09-13T22:23:40 < GargantuaSauce> probably more like 20 2014-09-13T22:23:49 < upgrdman> still too much :) 2014-09-13T22:24:23 < upgrdman> my atx psu is how i exploded a power diode. the psu tripped at like 430W 2014-09-13T22:24:36 < upgrdman> but i was using the 12v for that project 2014-09-13T22:24:49 < upgrdman> good times: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/fairchild_sb540_diode_exploded.jpg 2014-09-13T22:25:29 < qyx_> think about all those rc guys pulling 100 amps from their unprotected lipo packs 2014-09-13T22:25:44 < upgrdman> i do, often. 2014-09-13T22:25:46 < qyx_> with no fear of their hair catching fire 2014-09-13T22:25:59 < upgrdman> i also get to see burned up rc cars on occasion 2014-09-13T22:26:12 < upgrdman> and lipo that people charge in NiMH mode. 2014-09-13T22:26:25 < upgrdman> pretty pretty sheets of metal 2014-09-13T22:26:39 < upgrdman> burned lipos look neat 2014-09-13T22:28:29 < GargantuaSauce> hmm it still draws a fair amount of current if i short on mosfet's gate to ground 2014-09-13T22:28:37 < GargantuaSauce> so one of them might be bad 2014-09-13T22:29:30 < upgrdman> we need pix :) 2014-09-13T22:30:38 < GargantuaSauce> or maybe one diode is failed open 2014-09-13T22:31:03 < GargantuaSauce> i took the pictures and then promptly lost the camera where the fuck did i put it 2014-09-13T22:31:12 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-13T22:31:14 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T22:31:14 < GargantuaSauce> i invariably lose everything that i am not focused on 2014-09-13T22:36:03 < upgrdman> i wonder if anyone has designed an adjustable overcurrent shut off thinggy for an atx psu. like you set a pot and if the current goes over it open a relay between your atx psu and the load. 2014-09-13T22:36:16 < upgrdman> tempted to make one so i can be less of a pussy with my atx supply 2014-09-13T22:36:21 < GargantuaSauce> probably wouldnt work too well because inrush 2014-09-13T22:36:55 < upgrdman> might be able to low-pass the current sensing? 2014-09-13T22:37:04 < GargantuaSauce> yeah or use a pi filter on the output i guess 2014-09-13T22:37:05 < upgrdman> RC on current amp output 2014-09-13T22:37:09 < upgrdman> or pi, ya 2014-09-13T22:40:10 < GargantuaSauce> http://imgur.com/a/a7c50 2014-09-13T22:40:15 < GargantuaSauce> excuse the hugeness i was lazy 2014-09-13T22:41:14 < upgrdman> is that a toilet plunger? 2014-09-13T22:41:43 < GargantuaSauce> no it's a glass bowl with flux residue in the bottom 2014-09-13T22:42:27 < upgrdman> o 2014-09-13T22:45:06 < karlp> what do you use these for? 2014-09-13T22:45:25 < upgrdman> ind heaters? 2014-09-13T22:45:29 < upgrdman> making shit hot 2014-09-13T22:45:44 < upgrdman> i think industry uses them to temper or forge stuff 2014-09-13T22:46:59 < _Sync_> upgrdman: you could just get a proper lab supply? 2014-09-13T22:50:07 -!- MrM0bius is now known as MrMobius 2014-09-13T22:50:24 < karlp> no, I mena, both of you have them, what are you doing with them? 2014-09-13T22:50:39 < karlp> or was it just, "can I make this device that makes metal things hot when I put it in the hole..." ? 2014-09-13T22:51:42 < GargantuaSauce> well i do eventually want to make one big enough to cast aluminium 2014-09-13T22:52:00 < GargantuaSauce> but it's also a cool simple circuit and i said why the fuck not 2014-09-13T22:52:16 < GargantuaSauce> now if only i could get it to work :( 2014-09-13T22:52:26 < GargantuaSauce> dont have an lcr meter but i guess i could use the ps and scope to test the capacitor 2014-09-13T22:52:34 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-13T22:52:40 < _Sync_> you don't need to do that 2014-09-13T22:52:54 < _Sync_> depending on topology you just tune for maximum current draw 2014-09-13T22:53:21 < GargantuaSauce> it's definitely drawing plenty of current 2014-09-13T22:53:30 < GargantuaSauce> just happens to be doing it through one fet constantly 2014-09-13T22:53:45 < _Sync_> well then your driver has issues 2014-09-13T22:53:53 < _Sync_> just use a fixed frequency one at first 2014-09-13T22:53:55 < _Sync_> it will work 2014-09-13T22:55:50 < upgrdman> karlp: im doing just for fun. and while im at it i'll try and learn about tank circuits. 2014-09-13T22:55:55 < _Sync_> the thing with melting aluminium is that you need a high working frequency so that you can get the energy into the work 2014-09-13T22:56:48 < GargantuaSauce> i did say eventually 2014-09-13T22:56:55 < GargantuaSauce> today i just want this self resonant one to work 2014-09-13T22:57:21 < GargantuaSauce> gonna try a smaller cap, this one is relatively huge (2.2uF) 2014-09-13T22:58:47 < _Sync_> self resonant is going to suck 2014-09-13T22:59:31 < _Sync_> ideally you use a fullbridge tracking resonance and then controlling power by shifting the phase of one bridge 2014-09-13T23:01:23 < GargantuaSauce> this is supposed to be quick and dirty 2014-09-13T23:01:26 < GargantuaSauce> not sucking can come later 2014-09-13T23:03:08 < GargantuaSauce> yup works now 2014-09-13T23:03:56 < upgrdman> just needed moar current? 2014-09-13T23:04:05 < GargantuaSauce> nevermind was measuring ground loop 2014-09-13T23:07:40 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-13T23:09:16 < GargantuaSauce> now the other fet is on :) 2014-09-13T23:13:20 < GargantuaSauce> aha i added a small capacitor across one of the diodes and it works now 2014-09-13T23:14:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T23:21:38 < GargantuaSauce> still pretty spurious 2014-09-13T23:23:52 < GargantuaSauce> made my ps VERY unhappy. started showing voltage on the channel set to 0 2014-09-13T23:25:29 < GargantuaSauce> runs at 20MHz 2014-09-13T23:25:37 < GargantuaSauce> wonder how much rf it's radiating 2014-09-13T23:26:09 < qyx_> what is it supposed to be? 2014-09-13T23:26:20 * GargantuaSauce shrugs 2014-09-13T23:26:40 < GargantuaSauce> no idea what the inductance of this coil is 2014-09-13T23:27:01 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-13T23:27:02 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T23:29:24 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-13T23:29:34 -!- hesperaux_ [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T23:33:25 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-13T23:36:37 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T23:46:05 < GargantuaSauce> ya i am beginning to see the virtues of a driven design 2014-09-13T23:50:43 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-13T23:52:09 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] --- Day changed Sun Sep 14 2014 2014-09-14T00:04:05 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-14T00:04:07 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-14T00:06:29 < GargantuaSauce> blew a fet, calling it a day 2014-09-14T00:09:52 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-14T00:11:20 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-14T00:13:02 < _Sync_> GargantuaSauce: it probably locks onto some parasitic ringing 2014-09-14T00:13:08 < _Sync_> you need some lpf 2014-09-14T00:15:33 < upgrdman> shooting roman candles at 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2014-09-14T02:58:27 < upgrdman> anyone know if two lab power supplies can be safely wired in parallel? i just need more current :) 2014-09-14T03:00:00 < upgrdman> plan to set both to approx 5V, let one supply it's max rated current (3A) and then use the current limit of the second supply to allow up to another amp or two into the circuit 2014-09-14T03:05:49 < baird> I'd think you'd need something to buffer the supply output to prevent their feedback regulators from spazzing out 2014-09-14T03:06:22 < upgrdman> guess using diodes to prevent current sinking would be the safe thing to do 2014-09-14T03:06:36 < zyp> should be fine, I'd imagine the output capacitors to be enough buffering 2014-09-14T03:29:11 < dongs> suuuuuuuup 2014-09-14T03:30:57 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-14T03:34:01 -!- Viper168__ [~Viper@node183.19.251.72.1dial.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-14T03:38:01 -!- joph [~joph@unaffiliated/joph] has joined ##stm32 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I've got one getting clobbered 2014-09-15T23:36:03 < joph> &i ;) 2014-09-15T23:36:04 < joph> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4462915/how-i-find-the-exact-address-of-variable-buf 2014-09-15T23:36:32 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-15T23:38:30 < bsdfox> thanks 2014-09-15T23:42:09 < bsdfox> also is there a way to jump passed a certain function (say a delay loop) but keep stepping through the code? 2014-09-15T23:43:54 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-15T23:50:08 < zyp> yeah, you set a breakpoint after it 2014-09-15T23:51:18 < bsdfox> zyp, yeah that's what I've been doing.. figured there might be a better way :) 2014-09-15T23:51:49 < bsdfox> also, looks like the bug may have been a fluke with gdb as closing it then reopening my variable isn't clobbered anymore 2014-09-15T23:52:10 < zyp> uh 2014-09-15T23:59:20 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: 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3-1:1.0: port 1 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling... 2014-09-16T02:44:46 < kakeman> you have grounded plugs? 2014-09-16T02:45:08 < qyx_> zep 2014-09-16T02:45:12 < qyx_> yep 2014-09-16T02:45:33 -!- PaulFertser_ [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T02:45:35 < qyx_> all plug here are required to be grounded 2014-09-16T02:46:14 < kakeman> old times they had airwires inside house 2014-09-16T02:47:33 < qyx_> thankfully those old times passed years ago 2014-09-16T02:47:58 < GargantuaSauce> qyx_: 858 clone? 2014-09-16T02:48:10 < GargantuaSauce> mine makes my lights flicker 2014-09-16T02:48:23 < qyx_> no, some china thing, ZD-912 2014-09-16T02:48:43 < qyx_> http://static2.tme.eu/katalog_pics/4/7/7/4771d7b2a46521345dc4ba513ce20f10/zd-912.jpg 2014-09-16T02:48:51 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T02:50:59 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-16T02:51:45 < kakeman> going to build baking oven some day soon 2014-09-16T02:51:59 < kakeman> pcb baking 2014-09-16T02:52:13 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: PaulFertser, TeknoJuce, bvsh, hesperaux_, rewolff1, Laurenceb__, ds2 2014-09-16T02:52:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rewolff1 2014-09-16T02:52:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host31-51-210-39.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T02:52:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ds2 2014-09-16T02:53:11 < qyx_> sure, christmas coming 2014-09-16T02:54:39 < kakeman> electric grill under board for preheat 2014-09-16T02:55:27 < kakeman> temperature controlled heat blower directed to board above 2014-09-16T03:00:05 < kakeman> then just tuning it 2014-09-16T03:03:23 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host31-51-210-39.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-16T03:23:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-16T03:41:24 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 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am presently procrastinating on programming a bunch of stuff for my f103vc board 2014-09-16T06:41:32 < GargantuaSauce> sensor fusion, packet radio protocol, etc 2014-09-16T06:41:50 < GargantuaSauce> how dare you accuse me of being possibly smart 2014-09-16T06:42:05 < GargantuaSauce> i will not stand for this slander 2014-09-16T06:43:12 < GargantuaSauce> http://imgur.com/a/d2d1L there's my dumb board, not sure if you were around when i spammed it last 2014-09-16T06:43:48 < GargantuaSauce> dirtypcbs 2014-09-16T06:44:02 < GargantuaSauce> 14 for eleven boards 2014-09-16T06:44:24 < GargantuaSauce> very pleased with quality:price 2014-09-16T06:44:30 < GargantuaSauce> china obviously 2014-09-16T06:44:41 < englishman> cool but i didnt know they did orange 2014-09-16T06:44:44 < englishman> in fact its not an option 2014-09-16T06:44:46 < GargantuaSauce> it's red 2014-09-16T06:44:53 < GargantuaSauce> blame the flash 2014-09-16T06:44:57 < englishman> ah 2014-09-16T06:45:25 < GargantuaSauce> because it starts with A 2014-09-16T06:46:01 < GargantuaSauce> there's 10x10 or arbitrary sizes also 2014-09-16T06:46:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-16T06:46:07 < englishman> theres that reading thing 2014-09-16T06:46:50 < GargantuaSauce> you set the quantity to a set number 2014-09-16T06:46:53 < GargantuaSauce> it's kind of weird 2014-09-16T06:47:06 < englishman> its like itead 2014-09-16T06:47:09 < GargantuaSauce> apparently the service started literally as a joke 2014-09-16T06:47:12 < englishman> you're billed for whatever fits in that square 2014-09-16T06:47:32 < GargantuaSauce> if you set quantity to 10 or 20 or whatever that is not protopack you can set an arbitrary size 2014-09-16T06:49:00 < GargantuaSauce> just read the about page 2014-09-16T06:49:34 < GargantuaSauce> the design specs probably don't match the stuff you usually do 2014-09-16T06:49:50 < GargantuaSauce> http://imgur.com/a/dRhv1 i took some magnified pics 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quality than i got. paid $1.27 a board. not displeased 2014-09-16T06:55:37 < GargantuaSauce> if i were doing anything remotely serious i would go with another fab 2014-09-16T06:56:04 < GargantuaSauce> canada 2014-09-16T06:56:15 < GargantuaSauce> 3 weeks from payment to my door 2014-09-16T06:56:41 < englishman> a little slower than oshpark but pretty good for china 2014-09-16T06:56:47 < englishman> oshpark is 2-3 for me 2014-09-16T06:57:09 -!- DanteA [~X@host-13-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T06:57:53 < englishman> ya usually fab takes <1 week after submission, but 2wk shipping 2014-09-16T06:58:53 < englishman> well they offer priority for $25 but i find it to be the same speed as first class 2014-09-16T06:58:53 < GargantuaSauce> i know 2014-09-16T06:59:03 < GargantuaSauce> (and only get 3 copies) 2014-09-16T06:59:22 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-16T06:59:24 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has 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blogpost doesnt have much real content 2014-09-16T07:22:55 < englishman> just taht he got it working 2014-09-16T07:25:59 -!- DanteA [~X@host-13-157-66-217.spbmts.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-16T07:27:01 < GargantuaSauce> im not sure i can stomach the idea of having dozens of devices on a home wifi network 2014-09-16T07:35:41 < englishman> but i need to wirelessly activate my teapot 2014-09-16T07:39:43 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1859884318/oscar-the-open-screen-adapter/posts so tehse idiots failed really bad. 2014-09-16T07:39:53 < dongs> i fucked up and mounted ~100 of my jewpad shits with connectors backwards 2014-09-16T07:40:01 < dongs> thought it was all a crapshoot, was gonna scrap them 2014-09-16T07:40:08 < dongs> my local pcb place said "we can fix that shit" 2014-09-16T07:40:25 < dongs> bought new connectors, gave them teh shit 2014-09-16T07:40:37 < dongs> was fixed same day, so far only one board dead due to it 2014-09-16T07:40:56 < dongs> i didnt think those connectors c ould be reworked 2014-09-16T07:41:26 < dongs> they did trash the ones that were reversed, but i didnt think replacing with new would work wihtout re-applying stencil just for that area or something 2014-09-16T07:41:47 < ds2> hmmmmmmmmm 2014-09-16T07:41:56 < ds2> surely you have reversed connectors too... 2014-09-16T07:42:16 < englishman> they havet delivered yet?? 2014-09-16T07:42:17 < englishman> damn 2014-09-16T07:42:37 < englishman> they could have hand-assembled them by now 2014-09-16T07:42:52 < dongs> ds2: not this .3mm pitch shit 2014-09-16T07:43:07 < dongs> i didnt think it was possible without like 50% failure 2014-09-16T07:43:20 < dongs> they're all plastic, melt super easy etc 2014-09-16T07:43:32 < dongs> englishman: whagt I dont understand is https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/223/164/6dff8b030dec54c336855a076d76badc_large.JPG?1404332476 2014-09-16T07:43:41 < dongs> the connectors on those boards look fine... ??? 2014-09-16T07:43:54 < dongs> and that was beginning of july 2014-09-16T07:44:43 < englishman> i think they were just manhandling those connectors 2014-09-16T07:44:45 < englishman> which are super brittle 2014-09-16T07:44:47 < englishman> one of yours broke on mine 2014-09-16T07:44:50 < englishman> (fixed with kapton) 2014-09-16T07:45:21 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T07:47:26 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ritot-the-first-projection-watch#activity 2014-09-16T07:47:26 < dongs> laff 2014-09-16T07:47:29 < dongs> https://polldaddy.com/poll/8303062/ 2014-09-16T07:47:34 < dongs> Multicolor projection. You can set few colors at a time for watch face or notifications. 2014-09-16T07:47:38 < dongs> ???????????????? 2014-09-16T07:47:38 < dongs> > DLP 2014-09-16T07:47:44 < dongs> > multicolor neesd something special?? 2014-09-16T07:48:54 < englishman> wat dlp 2014-09-16T07:48:58 < englishman> see the pix? 2014-09-16T07:49:36 < englishman> maybe the d has to do with the watch and the lp is separate 2014-09-16T07:49:57 < dongs> in that case,d only has to do with 'dix' 2014-09-16T07:51:07 < ds2> Oh 0.3mm 2014-09-16T07:51:34 < ds2> 12mil don't seem that small though 2014-09-16T07:53:48 < englishman> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:464606 2014-09-16T07:58:09 < ds2> is the jewish new year coming up? 2014-09-16T07:59:58 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T08:00:27 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1883701526/matchboxarm/comments nothing here either 2014-09-16T08:01:01 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1366304364/drduino-its-like-a-shield-for-your-shields?ref=category hahaha 2014-09-16T08:01:04 < dongs> i heard you like shields 2014-09-16T08:02:47 < GargantuaSauce> one shield to shield them all, and in the darkness bind them 2014-09-16T08:03:23 < dongs> WHAT ARE CIRCUIT BOARDS AND HOW DO THEY WORK? 2014-09-16T08:04:25 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/stefanhamminga/scrobby-solar-keeping-your-solar-panels-clean?ref=category 2014-09-16T08:04:28 < dongs> i think i need this for my panels 2014-09-16T08:05:50 < dongs> http://www.itunes.com/soi-remove 2014-09-16T08:06:50 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/494937902/arduimu-v4-an-arduino-based-integrated-measurement?ref=category wat 2014-09-16T08:07:42 < GargantuaSauce> i dont get why everyone likes zigbee so much 2014-09-16T08:08:30 < dongs> dickbee 2014-09-16T08:08:49 < dongs> um 2014-09-16T08:09:35 < dongs> ohh 2014-09-16T08:27:25 < akaWolf> ohh, dongs 2014-09-16T08:27:27 < akaWolf> :) 2014-09-16T08:28:41 < akaWolf> just relax 2014-09-16T08:29:54 < akaWolf> try to watch a comedy or porno to your's taste 2014-09-16T08:32:28 < GargantuaSauce> kickstarter is a comedy 2014-09-16T08:35:59 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/566/132/ff88cbcfcb5c850cf992acb09ec18e3b_large.jpg?1410395571 2014-09-16T08:36:02 < dongs> pros 2014-09-16T08:36:10 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/566/132/ff88cbcfcb5c850cf992acb09ec18e3b_large.jpg?1410395571 2014-09-16T08:36:30 < dongs> failed it by having a gigantic ugly shaped board tho 2014-09-16T08:37:39 < dongs> hm there's no way to star a dickstarter proj 2014-09-16T08:37:45 < dongs> i'd like to keep track of that one failing. 2014-09-16T08:37:58 < dongs> maybe ill give them $1 from my prepaid scamex card 2014-09-16T08:42:20 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/931487098/garagino?ref=category ????????????????????????? 2014-09-16T08:42:27 < dongs> > faster 2014-09-16T08:42:28 < dongs> > cheaper 2014-09-16T08:42:28 < dongs> > dip 2014-09-16T08:42:30 < dongs> what the fuck man 2014-09-16T08:44:46 < GargantuaSauce> lol 2014-09-16T08:45:01 < GargantuaSauce> wow i never would have thought to put a 328 on a breadboard 2014-09-16T08:45:02 < dongs> also http://i.imgur.com/dwYUHLe.jpg 2014-09-16T08:45:05 < GargantuaSauce> the innovation! 2014-09-16T08:45:14 < Simon--> extreme innovation http://0x.ca/pictures/chris_sim/public/halfsize/electronics/avr_lcd_isp/p0007198.jpg 2014-09-16T08:59:01 < qyx_> dongs: whats that signal line going inside your picture? 2014-09-16T08:59:07 < qyx_> you are going to fail 2014-09-16T09:06:11 < ds2> me? shields? 2014-09-16T09:08:37 -!- rewolff1 [~wolff@cust-95-128-94-82.breedbanddelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-16T09:09:16 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/itic/professional-usb-20-ls-fs-hs-protocol-analyzer-mod?ref=category attn zyp 2014-09-16T09:09:25 < dongs> qyx_> dongs: whats that signal line going inside your picture? 2014-09-16T09:09:27 < dongs> qyx_: wat? 2014-09-16T09:09:45 < qyx_> 07:45 < dongs> also http://i.imgur.com/dwYUHLe.jpg 2014-09-16T09:09:52 < GargantuaSauce> there's a trace and via on the circle of no soldermask 2014-09-16T09:10:48 < dongs> yeah, i will proly have to put some fingernail polish over that 2014-09-16T09:11:01 < dongs> sounds like fucking "no mask" region took precedence over common sense 2014-09-16T09:12:03 < qyx_> i would say common sense suggests that no soldermask should be put over a no soldermask region 2014-09-16T09:12:32 < dongs> yes but 2014-09-16T09:13:06 -!- rewolff1 [~wolff@cust-95-128-94-82.breedbanddelft.nl] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T09:15:46 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-16T09:25:39 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T09:50:12 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-16T10:08:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] 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it's rather sucky, and not going to get better with more wifi :( 2014-09-16T12:31:20 < GargantuaSauce> yeah no the average infrastructure is awful 2014-09-16T12:32:19 < GargantuaSauce> and we'll have things like devices with no user interface and buggy firmware that floods the network 2014-09-16T12:32:22 -!- masa [~masa@86-60-221-191-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-16T12:32:50 < GargantuaSauce> making everything grind to a halt until you unplug every appliance in your house in sequence 2014-09-16T12:33:48 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-16T12:36:51 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T12:37:05 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-16T12:59:10 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-16T12:59:51 -!- phantoxe 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2014-09-16T13:55:17 < Claude> modbus rs485 i guess? 2014-09-16T13:55:18 < Cyric> i am new to this bus... 2014-09-16T13:55:41 < Cyric> is just a protocol running on UART interface right+ 2014-09-16T13:55:44 < Cyric> ? 2014-09-16T13:56:08 < Claude> yeah well modbus is errhmm archaic :) yes it's a 485 trx on a uart 2014-09-16T13:56:09 < Cyric> i mean, it uses a USART port of the STM32 2014-09-16T13:57:15 < dongs> new L05x stuff has hardware modbus shit 2014-09-16T13:57:26 < dongs> some protocol support i guess or osmethign 2014-09-16T13:57:54 < Cyric> but i can implement it on a L151 series 2014-09-16T13:57:59 < Claude> cool , yeah well modbus is (abstract) just a huge distributed memory connected over 485 2014-09-16T13:58:00 < dongs> yea sure 2014-09-16T13:58:16 < Cyric> great 2014-09-16T13:58:31 < Claude> so it makes sense to have a hw unit for that 2014-09-16T14:00:39 -!- fbs [fbs@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-xrflenvdehqefpcu] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T14:00:47 -!- fbs 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in hw when the right bits are set in the uart 2014-09-16T14:04:59 < Claude> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00249778.pdf 2014-09-16T14:05:18 < karlp> Claude: only if you have hte right uart peripheral... 2014-09-16T14:05:32 < karlp> there's two generations of enhaned modbus support in the uarts. 2014-09-16T14:06:04 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-16T14:06:04 < karlp> the latest l0 and f072 have interframe timeout and driver enable toggling built in, old l151 for instance don't 2014-09-16T14:06:07 < Claude> ah okay , well modbus was on a f103 and in my former job . so memory is fading :) 2014-09-16T14:07:02 * karlp is writing javascriupt form validation for modbus address lists right now... 2014-09-16T14:07:22 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T14:08:34 < Cyric> so i have to toggle that signal manually 2014-09-16T14:09:08 < Claude> seems so , depending on the chip you will use 2014-09-16T14:09:31 < karlp> it's not terribly difficuly, the app note covers it pretty well. 2014-09-16T14:09:44 < karlp> if you're using modbus you have lots of time anyway 2014-09-16T14:10:01 < karlp> if you're using rs485 for something higher speed, like scsi1, then you may care a little more about the timing. 2014-09-16T14:10:21 < karlp> but even 115200 is slow as shit compared to code toggling gpios 2014-09-16T14:10:33 < Claude> yeah it's quite easy , just make sure you switch the TXEN not too early to off :) 2014-09-16T14:10:50 < Cyric> ok thanks 2014-09-16T14:10:54 < karlp> yeah, ie, read the app note. 2014-09-16T14:11:14 < karlp> you need to switch off when the shift register is empty, not when the data register is ready for new data :) 2014-09-16T14:15:08 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-16T14:21:36 < PaulFertser> karlp: issues handling dhcp for few clients, really? 2014-09-16T14:21:56 < karlp> yup, 2014-09-16T14:22:09 < karlp> new devices get link, but no ip. 2014-09-16T14:22:23 < karlp> have to restart the gateway, normally works. 2014-09-16T14:22:50 < karlp> older device from the telco would handle dhcp, but would lose link to the fibre incomer, or crash when downloading anything fast. 2014-09-16T14:23:09 < PaulFertser> karlp: new devices like what? 2014-09-16T14:23:41 < PaulFertser> And it's all not really relevant for real life usage because OpenWrt doesn't have that issue, right? 2014-09-16T14:23:53 < karlp> hah 2014-09-16T14:24:31 < karlp> new devices like a pile of those embsense whatzit wifi modules, or ti cc3000 or anything else that all needs an ip in the local network. 2014-09-16T14:24:58 < karlp> I don't actually run openwrt on my home router. It handles the iptv as well as the upstream fibre connection auth, so I use the one they gave me. 2014-09-16T14:25:13 < dongs> why the fuck would you run open* shit on something thats on internet 2014-09-16T14:25:18 < dongs> it would be perpetually broken and shitty 2014-09-16T14:25:40 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-255.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T14:27:38 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@host81-159-10-255.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T14:28:36 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/TT3vHyO 2014-09-16T14:30:17 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-255.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-16T14:31:14 < PaulFertser> dongs: you just don't know what OpenWrt really is. And you should be comparing it with vendor's firmware for SOHO equipment, not some hi-end Cisco stuff. 2014-09-16T14:31:46 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-255.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T14:32:18 < PaulFertser> karlp: well, to me it seems the only sane option is to bridge whatever ISP gives with one's own equipment, and disable everything else on ISP's shit. 2014-09-16T14:32:43 < karlp> sure, but then I'm buying something else, and running more boxes. 2014-09-16T14:33:00 < karlp> it's not the end of the world right now, but if I started adding more wifi devices, I would probably end up having to do that. 2014-09-16T14:33:31 < karlp> also, not everyone even has that option. 2014-09-16T14:34:06 < karlp> I was just pointing out that a lot of the home router stock firmware has already made concessions expecting very few wifi devices, and adding a pile of "smart devices" isn't going to help 2014-09-16T14:36:01 -!- alan5_ 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obsolete and that the code has been abandoned. 2014-09-16T19:37:26 < CipherWizard_> Now they want me to port the newer micro-controller code to the old outdated one. 2014-09-16T19:51:12 < CipherWizard_> I still think it would have been faster to just make a new board with the newer micro-controller in the old case. 2014-09-16T19:51:52 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-16T20:04:44 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-16T20:07:37 < _Sync_> CipherWizard_: good times 2014-09-16T20:07:55 < _Sync_> especially if somebody sold stuff with hardware that is not made anymore 2014-09-16T20:09:43 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-16T20:14:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-16T20:26:52 -!- FreezingCold 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stm32 2014-09-17T04:31:02 < dongs> in master mode its alwasys manual? 2014-09-17T04:31:18 < dongs> i tihnk in slave you can configure it so it starts SPI stuff when it happens 2014-09-17T04:31:19 < zyp> so yes, you're supposed to just use a gpio 2014-09-17T04:31:46 < dongs> http://modernwomandigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/jacksonville-florida-sex-education-teacher-suspended.png 2014-09-17T04:32:15 < zyp> assuming you have few enough slaves that there are enough chip selects 2014-09-17T04:32:41 < zyp> exactly 2014-09-17T04:32:52 < zyp> so if you have five or more slaves, it's all pointless 2014-09-17T04:33:33 < zyp> why would you add extra hardware when you can just use gpio lines? 2014-09-17T04:35:15 < zyp> I guess it's because I don't see the point :) 2014-09-17T04:35:45 < zyp> so anyway, if it's all automatic, how does the spi peripheral know when a transfer is over? 2014-09-17T04:37:29 < zyp> oh, by the way, is the spi peripheral able to send data LSB first? 2014-09-17T04:38:00 < zyp> mind checking for me? 2014-09-17T04:38:06 < zyp> I know on avr32 it doesn't 2014-09-17T04:38:43 < dongs> zyp, if you have 5 or more slaves, you will probably use some 3:8 or 4:16 etc decoder 2014-09-17T04:38:46 < dongs> for CS 2014-09-17T04:38:49 < zyp> and the avr32 has the same chip select bullshit, so I assume it's more or less the same peripheral block 2014-09-17T04:38:52 < dongs> wasting gpio for all that shit is d um 2014-09-17T04:39:20 < zyp> spare gpio pins are free, extra chips are not 2014-09-17T04:39:25 < dongs> pfft 2014-09-17T04:39:52 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-17T04:40:23 < qyx_> huh ATSAM4N8AA-MU for 3.16e/10pcs at farnell 2014-09-17T04:40:29 < qyx_> 100MHz M4 2014-09-17T04:40:38 < qyx_> 64K sram 512K flash 2014-09-17T04:40:43 < zyp> a 3:8 encoder saves you two pins for five slaves 2014-09-17T04:41:15 < qyx_> qfn48.. quite comptetitive price compared to stm32f401 2014-09-17T04:41:37 < dongs> zyp, obviously you'd only use it when you have 8 slaves.. 2014-09-17T04:42:04 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:42:06 < zyp> R2COM, so if you want to interface with bullshit chips, you need to bitswap all the bytes manually 2014-09-17T04:42:18 < zyp> like we had to in that avr32 project I worked on 2014-09-17T04:42:43 < dongs> wat, atmel SPI peripheral doesnt have lsb/msb bit? 2014-09-17T04:42:52 < zyp> dongs, no 2014-09-17T04:43:15 < dongs> lol such fail 2014-09-17T04:43:30 < dongs> until you get one that isnt.. 2014-09-17T04:43:34 < zyp> yep, but not all 2014-09-17T04:43:49 < zyp> I think PN532 was the culprit in said project 2014-09-17T04:44:31 < zyp> rare? it's one of the most common nfc chips 2014-09-17T04:44:51 < zyp> I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of nxp's nfc line is also LSB first 2014-09-17T04:44:56 < zyp> yep 2014-09-17T04:46:33 < qyx_> so you are saving little overhead by not doing CS in software using gpio to do lose doing bit magic later 2014-09-17T04:46:41 < qyx_> although lsb first is rare 2014-09-17T04:47:01 < zyp> oh, lsb first is not so bad 2014-09-17T04:47:07 < zyp> you should see TI's nfc chips 2014-09-17T04:47:21 < qyx_> maybe this is affected by the way how nfc operates 2014-09-17T04:47:25 < qyx_> is it lsb or msb first? 2014-09-17T04:47:45 < zyp> they use opposite clock phases for sending and receiving, so you have to change CPHA every time you change direction 2014-09-17T04:47:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-17T04:48:45 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: hesperaux, Steffanx, LeelooMinai, loans, englishman, bvsh_, Alexer, Miek, tkoskine, amstan, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 2014-09-17T04:49:00 < zyp> qyx_, nah, it's irrelevant, there's a bunch of firmware on the chip between RF and SPI 2014-09-17T04:49:17 < zyp> and all other nfc chips I've used are MSB first 2014-09-17T04:53:15 < dongs> braking news: zyp is the lead developer of Apple Pay 2014-09-17T04:53:56 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@67.213.212.241] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:53:56 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:53:56 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:54:19 -!- loans [~loans@192.210.138.14] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:54:19 -!- amstan [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:54:19 -!- tkoskine [~tkoskine@irc.tkoskine.me] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:54:19 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:54:19 -!- Alexer [~alexer@alexer.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:54:19 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:54:19 -!- Steffanx [~steffanx@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:54:19 -!- LeelooMinai [~leeloo@184-175-46-197.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T04:54:19 -!- Miek 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Or rs232? 2014-09-17T09:25:15 < upgrdman> it's doesnt have usb/serial/ethernet 2014-09-17T09:25:28 < upgrdman> not really meant for it 2014-09-17T09:25:29 < upgrdman> but 2014-09-17T09:26:20 < upgrdman> it has an "analog remote control" connector that you can wire up some pots to, to remotely control v and c. i suppose if i needed to i do use digital pots and rig up a pc interface 2014-09-17T09:26:44 < upgrdman> but i don't see a need for that, for what i do. 2014-09-17T09:30:21 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-17T09:30:23 -!- MrM0bius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T09:39:12 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: ah, so that's an analog port?! 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Hvor som helst.] 2014-09-17T14:55:29 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-17T14:55:32 -!- hornang [~quassel@46.29.223.130] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T14:56:11 -!- hornang [~quassel@46.29.223.130] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-17T14:56:30 -!- hornang [~quassel@46.29.223.130] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T15:17:43 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T16:00:14 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-17T16:06:39 < Laurenceb> http://root.cern.ch/drupal/sites/default/files/images/RootShower_0.png 2014-09-17T16:06:50 < Laurenceb> dat gui 2014-09-17T16:09:21 -!- jadew [~chatzilla@188.25.23.152] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T16:10:36 < jadew> have you guys ever encountered issues with the output speed setting? 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Sounds to me like too little decoupling causing the CPU to reset or something. 2014-09-17T18:16:56 < rewolff1> (or the output coupling to a reset line, but that would happen on the DOWN transititon). 2014-09-17T18:20:01 < Laurenceb> http://youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/batman_bed_boner.gif 2014-09-17T18:22:09 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-17T18:26:52 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0aeacc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-17T18:28:28 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T18:30:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-17T18:31:46 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-17T18:32:27 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-40.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-17T18:32:33 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has 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2014-09-17T20:34:13 < Tectu> is it PMS time again? 2014-09-17T20:35:32 < Steffanx> No, just licensing issues ;) 2014-09-17T20:37:50 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-40.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-17T20:40:23 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-17T20:40:49 < jpa-> Tectu: why bother me with ugfx license crap when nothing has changed? 2014-09-17T20:41:12 < jpa-> you had it fine back when it was still dual-licensed, now you are just going more and more aggressive with the crazy-licensing 2014-09-17T20:41:29 < jpa-> soon i won't dare even open ugfx.org without retaining a lawyer 2014-09-17T20:42:04 < Steffanx> Just use the logo as your dekstop background.. it's all you need jpa- :P 2014-09-17T20:42:07 < Steffanx> it's yours. 2014-09-17T20:46:32 < jpa-> nah it is a derivative work of this http://abload.de/img/img_00000521_148xsfu.jpg 2014-09-17T20:47:09 < Steffanx> Ah, i remember that 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SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T04:10:23 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T04:41:50 < dongs> baking blogs 2014-09-18T04:42:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/teSlZjo.jpg fresh out of oven 2014-09-18T04:42:55 < dongs> useless shit 2014-09-18T04:43:56 < englishman> are there any lowish cost fpgas with non-retarded toolchain 2014-09-18T04:44:14 < englishman> so ive found 2014-09-18T04:45:02 < englishman> so many clicks 2014-09-18T04:48:11 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T04:48:55 < lanteau> Hoping someone can help me solve what probably is a simple issue. I'm using newlib-nano. I have a syscalls.c file with stubs, _sbrk, _write, etc 2014-09-18T04:49:18 < lanteau> I am hoping to get printf to work with USART3, but it is sending the wrong characters 2014-09-18T05:04:27 < dongs> all fpga toolchains are mega retardded 2014-09-18T05:07:17 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T05:14:30 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T05:21:23 < zyp> yeah 2014-09-18T05:36:41 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-isskzejvwnwkrekx] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-18T05:42:18 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yijfhonsjwsaruhi] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T05:58:02 < dongs> oh look ST site is down again 2014-09-18T05:58:05 < dongs> or dying anyway 2014-09-18T05:58:07 < dongs> loaded fianlly 2014-09-18T05:58:15 < dongs> such shit how the fuck can they manage to fail this shit so bad 2014-09-18T06:10:46 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T06:21:57 < PaulFertser> lanteau: I recommend not using syscalls.c but linking with -lnosys. And overriding only _write() in one of your source files. 2014-09-18T06:22:46 < lanteau> PaulFertser: I just came to that solution myself a little bit ago. That seemed to work, so the problem was probably with _sbrk 2014-09-18T06:23:07 < lanteau> It works now, except with %f and floating point numbers 2014-09-18T06:23:28 < lanteau> I do have -u _printf_float specified 2014-09-18T06:25:28 < PaulFertser> I think I've never tried it myself. What is the issue? 2014-09-18T06:32:40 < lanteau> Just there is no output at all when %f and a float is used. 2014-09-18T06:35:45 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T06:43:40 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T06:45:00 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T06:57:03 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T07:20:59 < dongs> isnt that normal 2014-09-18T07:21:02 < dongs> freetard libc doenst do %f 2014-09-18T07:21:10 < dongs> you gotta use ftoa(0 or somethign 2014-09-18T07:28:07 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T07:32:26 < Fleck> loads fast here dongs 2014-09-18T07:34:58 < dongs> Fleck: its like time dependent and shit 2014-09-18T07:36:17 < Fleck> ghh 2014-09-18T07:52:30 < dongs> sometimes it shits itself and tells ME to contact MY network administrator 2014-09-18T07:52:32 < dongs> about thier problem 2014-09-18T07:52:34 < dongs> riiiiiiight 2014-09-18T07:54:16 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.51] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T08:30:49 < PaulFertser> lanteau: are you sure you're not using newlib-nano? 2014-09-18T08:34:39 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-18T08:36:14 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.32] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T08:36:35 < lanteau> I am using newlib-nano 2014-09-18T08:39:19 < dongs> keil microlib supports %f :) 2014-09-18T08:39:22 < dongs> all while being SMALLER than newlib-nano 2014-09-18T08:44:42 < lanteau> dongs, sounds like part of uVision ;) 2014-09-18T08:44:47 < dongs> it sure is 2014-09-18T08:45:03 < lanteau> Exactly, I'll pass 2014-09-18T08:45:22 < lanteau> newlib-nano supports %f too, something is just not right 2014-09-18T08:45:24 < akaWolf> arm toolchain is pretty good.. 2014-09-18T08:45:43 < akaWolf> but he isn't free 2014-09-18T08:45:45 < lanteau> GCC is pretty good... 2014-09-18T08:46:13 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T08:46:46 < akaWolf> for arm targets is better native toolchain from arm... 2014-09-18T08:50:08 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: we've already figured out with dongs that gcc is not that far behind keil in terms of codesize on his multiwii project. 2014-09-18T08:52:01 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: just once I read a objective comparison... 2014-09-18T08:55:48 < lanteau> ARM employees work on GCC... 2014-09-18T08:56:17 < dongs> something about polishing a turd 2014-09-18T08:56:42 < lanteau> hah okay. 2014-09-18T08:58:10 < akaWolf> lanteau: it's not proves anything 2014-09-18T08:58:18 < akaWolf> just a marketing 2014-09-18T08:59:12 < lanteau> Ok. and nothing in this conversation has proven anything either. So what's your point? 2014-09-18T08:59:32 < akaWolf> I do not want to say: guys, we should use a proprietary toolchain! I just want to be objective. 2014-09-18T09:01:16 < lanteau> And nothing in this conversation has been objective. Is a proprietary toolchain better? Probably. I sure hope a company charging thousands of dollars for something can make a better product than a free and open source one. They'd be pretty bad at their jobs if they couldn't... 2014-09-18T09:01:52 < lanteau> Is Keil better than GCC? Yeah, probably. But lets not pretend that their cost is anywhere near the same. 2014-09-18T09:02:32 < lanteau> I'll keep using GCC. Supporting open source standards is better for the industry as a whole... 2014-09-18T09:09:37 < akaWolf> good decision. 2014-09-18T09:15:34 < rewolff> An open source project with a big following can put in many, many, man-hours and be pretty good, provided they have a good leader who can cherrypick the good stuff. 2014-09-18T09:16:10 < rewolff> Then a company can come along with a nice idea to improve on it, put in a few man months, and improve it significantly. 2014-09-18T09:16:33 < rewolff> But then in the maintenance phase, they might get caught up again behind the open source stuff. 2014-09-18T09:17:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T09:18:33 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T09:24:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: fyi: https://github.com/32bitmicro/newlib-nano-2/blob/master/newlib/libc/stdio/vfprintf_float.c 2014-09-18T09:25:43 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@128.39.204.205] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T09:33:20 < upgrdman> made a little progress on my induction heater. need to pump some water through it for longer tests, but it's working quite well! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWXB_A8rCdc 2014-09-18T09:42:29 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: looks like a full printf library give a big overhead in GCC... 2014-09-18T09:43:09 < PaulFertser> I think full printf functionality will add bloat with any toolchain when it's not actually used. 2014-09-18T09:43:24 < jpa-> it is just a matter of which subset of printf you choose 2014-09-18T09:44:56 < jpa-> IMO the ones offered by newlib are not that good subsets - something with trivial float support (%X.Yf only), leaving out the hard parts (%g, proper handling of denormal values, etc.) would be enough for most purposes 2014-09-18T09:47:37 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T09:51:39 -!- Smd_ [Smd_@79.114.29.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-18T09:55:37 < rewolff> upgrdman: don't do that to that nice screwdriver! 2014-09-18T09:56:02 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.50] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T09:56:08 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-18T09:56:51 < upgrdman> rewolff: it's just a cheap chinese one. not like chrome vanadium or anything 2014-09-18T09:57:38 < rewolff> Looks nice to me.... :-) The copper tube you have should be a valid subject... 2014-09-18T09:57:40 < upgrdman> i was afraid to push it longer since the screwdriver started to smoke just a bit. im indoors, with a firm alarm wired into AC (no way to disable it) ... :( 2014-09-18T10:00:43 < upgrdman> also noticed that my IR temp gauge doesn't like the shiney metal surface of the screwdriver.... reads ~90F when it's much hotter. 2014-09-18T10:00:57 < upgrdman> emissivity :/ 2014-09-18T10:04:03 < qyx_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH8hMsKeWXQ 2014-09-18T10:04:08 < qyx_> this one is nice 2014-09-18T10:04:15 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:09:17 < upgrdman> nice. wish i could do that on my ikea desktop :) 2014-09-18T10:09:59 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: overhead in GCC is bigger, than in Keil.. much more. 2014-09-18T10:10:05 -!- rigid [~rigid@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:10:16 -!- rigid [~rigid@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-18T10:10:16 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:10:50 < jpa-> akaWolf: do you really mean in GCC, or in newlib? 2014-09-18T10:11:02 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: we compared it with dongs, got sane results, gcc a little bit bigger, not much. 2014-09-18T10:11:07 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@128.39.204.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:14:46 < akaWolf> jpa-: I mean, how it's shown in the comparison... looks like he is tolding about gcc standart c lib. but also and about standart rvct lib, not microlib 2014-09-18T10:14:51 < rewolff> qyx: upgrdman: now that guy fucked up his screwdriver ....... 2014-09-18T10:15:04 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:15:38 < jpa-> akaWolf: there is no such thing as a "gcc standard c lib" 2014-09-18T10:16:04 < upgrdman> glibc? 2014-09-18T10:16:29 < jpa-> upgrdman: even that is only standard on linux, and there it is standard for any compiler AFAIK 2014-09-18T10:16:39 < upgrdman> o ok 2014-09-18T10:16:52 < jpa-> many toolchains bundle newlib, but even then it is entirely optional to use it (i use baselibc myself, but it doesn't have float printf either so not a fair comparison) 2014-09-18T10:16:58 < upgrdman> what does gcc on windows use? ms libs? 2014-09-18T10:17:20 < jpa-> upgrdman: yes, mingw uses microsoft's libs and some wrappers 2014-09-18T10:17:30 < upgrdman> TIL 2014-09-18T10:18:01 < akaWolf> jpa-: I think, glibc, yeah 2014-09-18T10:19:09 < jpa-> akaWolf: but no-one uses glibc on microcontrollers 2014-09-18T10:19:35 < jpa-> it would be entirely crazy to compare keil's microcontroller-specific libc against glibc 2014-09-18T10:19:43 < akaWolf> jpa-: I can only imagine, which libs they are using 2014-09-18T10:20:04 < jpa-> if they do not tell the libraries they are using, the comparison is meaningless 2014-09-18T10:20:31 < akaWolf> jpa-: I can't fing a meaningfull. you can? 2014-09-18T10:20:46 < jpa-> never bothered to even search 2014-09-18T10:20:51 < akaWolf> so.. 2014-09-18T10:21:04 < akaWolf> d* 2014-09-18T10:21:05 < jpa-> but just because there doesn't exist a good comparison, doesn't mean you should pay any attention to bad comparison 2014-09-18T10:22:08 < jpa-> (i bet that the original comparison might actually told what libraries they were comparing, but is there a link to it somewhere?) 2014-09-18T10:22:09 < akaWolf> not so.. we must be content with what we have... 2014-09-18T10:22:42 < akaWolf> jpa-: http://www.raisonance.com/tzr/scripts/downloader2.php?filename=T020/media/07/c9/1kmm1akx6gr&mime=application/pdf&originalname=AN0052-ARM-C-Benchmark.pdf&moid=97 2014-09-18T10:24:16 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:25:48 < jpa-> uh.. GCC 4.0? in 2013? 2014-09-18T10:25:58 < akaWolf> jpa-: yeah 2014-09-18T10:26:26 < upgrdman> "Important note (February 2006): On demand from the ARM company, their compiler, RVCT 2014-09-18T10:26:26 < upgrdman> (RealView Compilation Tools), was removed from this benchmark." 2014-09-18T10:26:31 < upgrdman> wtf. lol 2014-09-18T10:26:57 < jpa-> akaWolf: i cannot imagine how you could be content with such a benchmark for any purpose 2014-09-18T10:26:59 < akaWolf> yeah, interesting remark 2014-09-18T10:27:50 < jpa-> it's about as valid as this one: "Using some code, keil produced a binary of 100 kB that crashes. Using some other code GCC produced fully working program in 1 kB" 2014-09-18T10:28:11 < akaWolf> jpa-: why? 2014-09-18T10:29:11 < akaWolf> jpa-: old version of compilers don't do all comparison useless and stupid 2014-09-18T10:29:13 < jpa-> akaWolf: because they use a 8 years old version of GCC for comparison to newest commercial compilers? because they do not even tell which libc they use (which you can change with gcc) 2014-09-18T10:29:27 < jpa-> akaWolf: are the other compilers old? 2014-09-18T10:29:34 < akaWolf> yep 2014-09-18T10:29:59 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:30:41 < jpa-> old versions mean that the results are valid only for those old versions of compilers, gcc for arm has improved a lot since then 2014-09-18T10:31:17 < akaWolf> yep, ofcause 2014-09-18T10:32:47 < jpa-> ok, yeah, looks like they used 5+ years old versions of everything 2014-09-18T10:32:56 < jpa-> just wtf, i wouldn't trust such comparison one bit 2014-09-18T10:33:04 < akaWolf> there is not fact, that newer version have same characteristics, but with the big probality characteristics is similart 2014-09-18T10:33:36 < jpa-> objective benchmarks are very difficult to do, and if you fail at such basic stuff as using recent versions and telling exactly what you are using, it is likely that you fail in many other ways also 2014-09-18T10:33:44 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:34:20 < akaWolf> just it's only one comparison, which I have at that moment 2014-09-18T10:34:32 < akaWolf> I want to find and read new 2014-09-18T10:34:42 < akaWolf> but there is not so simple 2014-09-18T10:35:26 < jpa-> you can make your own if you really want to - but it is always difficult to boil any differences down to simple values 2014-09-18T10:35:45 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:35:45 < akaWolf> yeah, it's so 2014-09-18T10:36:31 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:39:14 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:39:59 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@128.39.204.205] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:42:09 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-18T10:42:22 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:42:45 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:47:26 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-85-93.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:48:17 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@128.39.204.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:51:28 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-18T10:51:45 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:53:15 -!- saltiresable [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:53:34 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T10:55:56 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-18T10:58:11 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:00:47 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-18T11:05:14 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-40.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:09:03 < rewolff> I'm impressed at what gcc optimizes nowadays. I was writing some code, got a "implicit declaration of function XXX" warning, but the code compiled and ran just fine. I hadn't written that function yet! 2014-09-18T11:09:32 < jpa-> dead code elimination? 2014-09-18T11:09:37 < rewolff> I was first testing something else, so the call to the undefined function was never reached, so it was optimized away. 2014-09-18T11:09:48 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:09:57 < zyp> that's only to be expected 2014-09-18T11:10:31 < zyp> though, as a C++-guy, the «implicit declaration» thing amuses me :p 2014-09-18T11:11:01 < rewolff> (From the old days I remember that the call would be in the assembly, and the linker would still want to see that function defined) 2014-09-18T11:11:17 < jpa-> zyp: why, don't all functions have form int foo(int, int, ...)? 2014-09-18T11:11:28 < rewolff> Yes, I /treat/ it as an error. 2014-09-18T11:11:35 < jpa-> i never write non-int functions! :) 2014-09-18T11:11:44 < zyp> :) 2014-09-18T11:11:45 < rewolff> When I get that warning, it is an error to me. 2014-09-18T11:11:52 < PaulFertser> http://cpptruths.blogspot.ru/2014/08/fun-with-lambdas-c14-style-part-3.html 2014-09-18T11:12:31 < rewolff> Although occasionally, I can overrule it and think: ok, the implicit declaration went fine, I'll flash the code as-is, and fix the source while it's being flashed.... 2014-09-18T11:14:56 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@81-196-140-94.cable-modem.hdsnet.hu] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:15:39 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:15:40 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-18T11:19:51 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@62.101.231.202] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:24:24 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-85-93.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-18T11:29:15 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-85-98.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:32:00 -!- Lt_Lemming [~SPutnix@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-18T11:32:35 < zyp> I see silabs are looking for people to work on reference code (former energy micro division) 2014-09-18T11:32:40 < zyp> http://www.finn.no/finn/job/fulltime/object?finnkode=51426896 2014-09-18T11:33:21 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-40.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-18T11:33:37 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-40.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:34:13 < zyp> I could be tempted to apply if it weren't for the fact that reference code usually is shit, and that probably implies writing lots of bullshit code 2014-09-18T11:35:30 < zyp> and there would probably be a conflict of interests with my hobby stuff too 2014-09-18T11:40:10 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:40:22 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T11:56:16 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-85-98.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T12:07:42 -!- 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I can't even get to c++11. Wouldn't mind c-friendly though: http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1180 2014-09-18T13:49:03 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host81-159-98-50.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T13:50:10 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-40.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T13:52:05 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host109-148-33-231.range109-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T14:03:58 < zyp> c++14 doesn't have much improvements interesting for embedded 2014-09-18T14:05:06 < zyp> well, doesn't have much at all, so that's natural i guess 2014-09-18T14:09:48 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host81-159-98-50.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T14:15:34 -!- Fleck [~fleck@unaffiliated/fleck] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-18T14:16:29 -!- Fleck [~fleck@unaffiliated/fleck] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T14:17:55 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T14:29:02 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-18T14:39:22 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-18T14:40:27 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T14:50:53 < dongs> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.coffeestainstudios.goatsimulator&hl=en yess 2014-09-18T14:57:45 < Fleck> got is dongs? :D 2014-09-18T14:58:07 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-40.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-18T15:12:45 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T15:42:37 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T15:59:12 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-18T16:17:56 < Steffanx> Why it's not called Gary? 2014-09-18T16:21:52 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2014-09-18T16:28:39 < dongs> wat 2014-09-18T16:30:44 < Steffanx> The goat.. Gary 2014-09-18T16:30:50 < dongs> duno man 2014-09-18T16:30:52 < dongs> goin to sleep 2014-09-18T16:31:14 < Steffanx> You don't know the Adventures of Gary The Goat? 2014-09-18T16:31:28 < dongs> no 2014-09-18T16:31:32 < dongs> im not into gay shit :( 2014-09-18T16:31:36 < Steffanx> Aussie Goat, going all over the world 2014-09-18T16:31:52 < Steffanx> Yes you are. 2014-09-18T16:45:43 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@62.101.231.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T16:46:41 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yijfhonsjwsaruhi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-18T17:06:02 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tIS-IDuOpU laughing out loud 2014-09-18T17:07:15 < Fleck> what's so funny ? 2014-09-18T17:08:01 < Steffanx> Totally DIY. 2014-09-18T17:08:16 < Steffanx> Applying solderpaste with finger <3 2014-09-18T17:08:43 < Claude> reballing with solderpaste :) 2014-09-18T17:09:15 < dongs> ya that shit is mega ghetto wtf 2014-09-18T17:09:26 < Claude> the other video is even more interresting , POP : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mig1QHkzYCU 2014-09-18T17:09:54 < Claude> yay that way i can add 16GB of DDR3 to my rpi! 2014-09-18T17:10:25 < dongs> what is he doing at start 2014-09-18T17:10:28 < dongs> getting rid of the epoxy? 2014-09-18T17:10:55 < Claude> i think so , yes . later he removes the epoxy with a soldering iron from the cpu :) 2014-09-18T17:11:18 < dongs> man those balls are ruined 2014-09-18T17:11:28 < dongs> wtf is he doing just scraping across that shit 2014-09-18T17:11:30 < dongs> hahah 2014-09-18T17:11:35 < Claude> nah he is doing DIY solderballs 2014-09-18T17:11:47 < Claude> but well , *if* it works... 2014-09-18T17:12:03 < karlp> what's the purpose there, trying to repair what, a failed solder ball, with still working nand? 2014-09-18T17:12:06 < Fleck> ofc it does 2014-09-18T17:12:26 < karlp> is that actually a likely failure scenario? (I know nuthin about phone repair) 2014-09-18T17:13:55 < dongs> paste solder balls is great.. 2014-09-18T17:14:54 < Claude> you have to roll the balls with your fingers a bit first .. 0.4mm but it's okay then they are only 0.39mm coplanarity is overrated 2014-09-18T17:15:05 < Claude> when they are 2014-09-18T17:15:50 < dongs> his video is missing the part where he powers it back up 2014-09-18T17:15:54 < Claude> indeed 2014-09-18T17:16:52 < Claude> but i think that might really work , seen videos from india where they swap out bga at nokia mobiles, was even more ghetto and it worked 2014-09-18T17:18:09 < Steffanx> Why wouldn't it work? It looks better than the stuff from dongs friend @ rcgroups forum and that works too 2014-09-18T17:19:22 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-18T17:19:50 < Claude> because the diy solderballs will be quite unprecise in diameter , so the bga might not sit correctly on the pads and probably some 'balls' dont solder to the pads 2014-09-18T17:20:11 < Claude> but that is just a guess :) 2014-09-18T17:20:15 < dongs> if he pushes down on it its probly ok 2014-09-18T17:21:30 < Sync> Claude: that bga has huge pads 2014-09-18T17:21:34 < Sync> it won't be an issue 2014-09-18T17:22:09 < dongs> sync, not the 2nd one 2014-09-18T17:22:12 < Fleck> Sync: check 2nd video 2014-09-18T17:23:36 < Claude> SoC de-PoP-ing doing right : https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_5UXaEUPGdZTURmUGloY1E3MjA/edit?usp=sharing 2014-09-18T17:24:01 < dongs> lol dingleberry 2014-09-18T17:24:26 < Claude> :) long story short : bought a lemo i12 cam for soldering stuff , friend asked how the cam is , he is a rpi hater and i shot this vid for him :) 2014-09-18T17:24:44 < Claude> elmo ? yeah elmo is the name of the cam sry 2014-09-18T17:24:50 -!- Thorn__ [~thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T17:25:17 < dongs> you need some better hot air 2014-09-18T17:25:19 < dongs> wow that cam 2014-09-18T17:25:21 < dongs> what is it? 2014-09-18T17:25:32 < dongs> holy shit thats what i need 2014-09-18T17:25:33 < Claude> elmo i12 or so 2014-09-18T17:25:58 < Claude> 12x optical zoom with 1080 hdmi output 2014-09-18T17:26:05 < Steffanx> lol @ screw 2014-09-18T17:26:11 < dongs> TT-12i? 2014-09-18T17:26:16 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/Elmo-TT-12-Document-Camera/dp/B009046LPK 2014-09-18T17:26:17 < dongs> this siht>? 2014-09-18T17:26:25 < Claude> have a 30" in front of my soldering 'place' . quite cool :) 2014-09-18T17:26:32 -!- Thorn [~thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-18T17:26:37 < Claude> dongs yep that one 2014-09-18T17:26:53 < Claude> 110euros @ ebay new ;) couldn't resist 2014-09-18T17:27:17 < dongs> fff 2014-09-18T17:27:21 < dongs> i'll give you 120 for it 2014-09-18T17:27:32 < Claude> okay (and 600E shipping) 2014-09-18T17:27:36 < Steffanx> Still the wiggly wiggly movement. 2014-09-18T17:27:44 < dongs> whats the diff on 12 and 12i 2014-09-18T17:28:07 < Steffanx> I would expect better video output for a >$700 camera 2014-09-18T17:28:17 < Claude> ah Steffanx that only in the vid , hdmi out is almost without lag and at full 30fps 2014-09-18T17:28:27 < Steffanx> Aah, ok :) 2014-09-18T17:28:47 < Claude> yeah seems the cpu isn't really up to 720p h264 :) 2014-09-18T17:28:53 < Claude> cpu in the cam 2014-09-18T17:29:46 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nrvomydkigxveupw] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T17:30:02 < Claude> dongs iirc the -i version can be connected to some sort of tablet for drawing 2014-09-18T17:40:37 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251646591680 nice deal 2014-09-18T17:46:46 < englishman> PCI rly? 2014-09-18T17:47:19 < englishman> hmh it is a good price 2014-09-18T17:49:12 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.247] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T17:54:03 < dongs> and its mine 2014-09-18T17:54:07 < dongs> thank you for playing 2014-09-18T17:55:19 < upgrdman> what's nice about it? is it just a old tv tuner card, pre hd? 2014-09-18T17:55:35 < dongs> wrong 2014-09-18T17:55:36 < Claude> modulator not tuner 2014-09-18T17:55:41 < dongs> its the other wa y around 2014-09-18T17:55:46 < dongs> yeah ^ 2014-09-18T17:55:48 < upgrdman> oh.... not demod. oops 2014-09-18T17:55:52 < upgrdman> cool. 2014-09-18T17:55:53 < dongs> it maeks TV 2014-09-18T17:56:00 < upgrdman> ya 2014-09-18T17:57:02 < zyp> watch dongs tv 2014-09-18T17:57:12 < upgrdman> is it different than a video card with tv out? 2014-09-18T17:57:14 < englishman> the usb modulator is like 1500gbp 2014-09-18T17:57:20 < dongs> i have that one too 2014-09-18T17:57:21 < englishman> upgrdman: lolwat 2014-09-18T17:57:21 < dongs> dta-115 2014-09-18T17:57:36 < dongs> err 2014-09-18T17:57:37 < dongs> dtu-215 2014-09-18T17:57:38 < dongs> that 2014-09-18T17:57:53 < upgrdman> englishman: i've had pci and agp video cards that do tv out, so your tv can be a monitor 2014-09-18T17:57:55 < englishman> i dont think my computer even has pci ports 2014-09-18T17:58:09 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-18T17:58:10 < englishman> wow amazing 2014-09-18T17:58:12 < upgrdman> errr nm. it wasnt using an F connector. it was svideo or some gay shit 2014-09-18T17:58:25 < zyp> I guess it does digital? 2014-09-18T17:58:53 < zyp> on phone, didn't check link 2014-09-18T17:59:04 < englishman> dongs: raspberry pi starter kit is in suggested listings from that modulator 2014-09-18T17:59:14 < Claude> quite a deal for 80 british monies 2014-09-18T18:00:42 < dongs> englishman: totally related 2014-09-18T18:00:58 < dongs> zyp: ofdm modulator 2014-09-18T18:01:04 < zyp> yeah 2014-09-18T18:01:05 < dongs> ts in, rf out 2014-09-18T18:01:24 < zyp> that's what I assumed 2014-09-18T18:02:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-18T18:04:03 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T18:08:40 < dongs> ok now really bedtime 2014-09-18T18:08:45 < Steffanx> \o 2014-09-18T18:27:41 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-18T18:34:27 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-18T18:40:26 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/18/iphone_6_most_exquisite_mobile_no_this_is_the_most_exquisite_artifact_ever_made_by_humanity/ 2014-09-18T18:42:36 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@c-71-224-59-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T18:46:01 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@81-196-140-94.cable-modem.hdsnet.hu] has quit [] 2014-09-18T18:46:32 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T18:58:32 < upgrdman> any difference between a "tube" and a "pipe" ? 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It's really cool btw. 2014-09-18T20:42:05 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T20:42:05 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-18T20:42:05 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T20:44:41 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host81-159-10-40.range81-159.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T20:59:54 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T21:12:18 < BrainDamage> no, it's actually pretty hot if it glowed red :p 2014-09-18T21:14:07 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T21:15:01 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T21:16:41 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nrvomydkigxveupw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-18T21:19:37 < PaulFertser> lol, yes! 2014-09-18T21:27:25 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.67] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T21:31:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T21:38:11 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T21:44:25 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T21:57:28 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.42] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T21:57:46 -!- alpyapple [~marek@2a02-8422-1173-7a00-8161-c3c4-01f7-e061.rev.sfr.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T22:00:32 < alpyapple> Hello to all. I'm trying to build Demo for STM32VL-DISCOVERY. I imported all necessary files in my Eclipse, but I can't build it, beacouse of error at main.c (assert_failed), multiple definition. 2014-09-18T22:02:11 < alpyapple> I don't have any idea why this error. 2014-09-18T22:07:19 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-18T22:07:44 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T22:07:44 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-18T22:07:44 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T22:10:57 < englishman> did you do all the #defines 2014-09-18T22:11:01 < englishman> like USE_STDPERIPH_LIBARARY or something 2014-09-18T22:11:55 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T22:19:29 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T22:21:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-18T22:22:17 < alpyapple> englishman, thanks, I will verify it... Thanks for orientation for searching... 2014-09-18T22:25:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T22:49:45 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-18T22:57:08 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T23:06:26 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.74] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T23:13:19 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-18T23:17:41 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-18T23:22:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.37.127] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-18T23:22:15 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-18T23:28:55 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-18T23:31:58 < Tectu> http://narf-archive.com/pix/0fcd525c208c99d5c10ce28d00a16258d75df566.jpeg 2014-09-18T23:34:46 -!- rmob 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Laurenceb__> thinking of a supercap balloon? 2014-09-19T01:17:23 < Laurenceb__> energy density looks too low 2014-09-19T01:18:38 < Laurenceb__> i was wondering about a lipo powered heated lipo 2014-09-19T01:19:47 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-19T01:21:42 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2014-09-19T01:21:42 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2014-09-19T01:22:59 -!- PT_Dreamer_ [~quassel@a95-93-150-38.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T01:23:36 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T01:24:01 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T01:33:16 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T01:42:09 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 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Laurenceb: isnt bomar or whatever flying all over the place with a lipo? or is that li-ion 2014-09-19T02:57:57 < qyx_> dongs: lipo 2014-09-19T03:02:12 < dongs> R2COM: yea, reels 2014-09-19T03:02:17 < dongs> and the n make my schematics to only use them 2014-09-19T03:02:27 < dongs> i.e some place wants 20k pulldown, fuck that shit, its gonna be 10k 2014-09-19T03:02:48 < dongs> plus the less unique parts i have to stick in dicknplace, the better 2014-09-19T03:04:45 < dongs> i have 100R, 249R, 510R, 1K, 4.7K, 10K, 47K, 100K out of the low range 2014-09-19T03:05:08 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@207.195.86.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-19T03:08:05 < dongs> no 2014-09-19T03:08:23 < dongs> no, dicknplace here 2014-09-19T03:08:41 < dongs> machine 2014-09-19T03:09:09 < dongs> its shit 2014-09-19T03:09:17 < dongs> wouldnt recommend to others 2014-09-19T03:09:43 < dongs> this one was around 35k and i've put about 10-15k of feeders into it 2014-09-19T03:11:25 < dongs> about 1x2meters i guess, feeders stick out bit more 2014-09-19T03:11:45 < ds2> floor mount? 2014-09-19T03:12:10 < dongs> there was a nice one on ebay recently for less than mine :p 2014-09-19T03:12:14 < dongs> but required local pickup in USA 2014-09-19T03:12:28 < dongs> anyway, dicknplace doesnt make sense financially unless you're using it daily 2014-09-19T03:12:38 < dongs> its pointless for one-off protos 2014-09-19T03:12:46 < dongs> setup time is retarded for new project 2014-09-19T03:13:01 < dongs> you only do it if its faster than hand placing or if youre making more than one board 2014-09-19T03:14:06 < dongs> yeah 0402 is fine 2014-09-19T03:14:27 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-85-141.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T03:14:44 < dongs> dont see why not, it picks up sot23-5 type shit, and like WSON10 etc 2014-09-19T03:14:47 < qyx_> btw how do you unpack parts from reels when hand placing them? 2014-09-19T03:14:52 < dongs> (i think thats 2x3 or 3x3 or so 2014-09-19T03:15:06 < dongs> qyx_: push feed on reel and pick them out 2014-09-19T03:15:14 < dongs> or take out feeder and click it manually a few times to drop parts 2014-09-19T03:15:17 < dongs> assuming the reel is in machine 2014-09-19T03:15:29 < dongs> or else just take it from storage and pull tape and get some parts out 2014-09-19T03:15:39 < qyx_> so just cut & remove tape 2014-09-19T03:15:41 < ds2> something to align BGAs and other fine pitch stuff to pads would be nice for protos 2014-09-19T03:15:44 < dongs> no, not cut 2014-09-19T03:15:51 < qyx_> if you dont have feeders 2014-09-19T03:16:08 < dongs> to use feeders you must have some paper + tape lead-in 2014-09-19T03:16:13 < dongs> if you cut it, then you waste parts when loading 2014-09-19T03:16:27 < dongs> so usually there's blank paper leader and tape wrapped around a few times 2014-09-19T03:16:33 < qyx_> uhm 2014-09-19T03:16:59 < dongs> qyx_: you know how reels come with ~20cm of blank paper at start 2014-09-19T03:17:26 < dongs> thats to feed the crap though the feeder mechanism 2014-09-19T03:17:45 < dongs> R2COM: 40 feeders 2014-09-19T03:17:52 < dongs> plus tray for bga/qfp/etc 2014-09-19T03:17:55 < qyx_> yes, i am just trying to make them more usable to hand place 2014-09-19T03:18:21 < dongs> if you just have them for handplace only i dont think it matters how you take them out 2014-09-19T03:18:28 < dongs> i have these reel storage trays 2014-09-19T03:18:49 < qyx_> it matters because taking them out of trays takes more time than actually placing them 2014-09-19T03:19:21 < dongs> for stuff not in reels i have them in little parts cabinets on cut tape 2014-09-19T03:19:42 < dongs> thats probably what you want to do? 2014-09-19T03:20:25 < qyx_> yep, i started doing the same 2014-09-19T03:20:50 < dongs> this works if you only handplace yea 2014-09-19T03:20:56 < qyx_> unload all to small boxes 2014-09-19T03:21:03 < qyx_> and then just use tweezers 2014-09-19T03:21:05 -!- bvsh_ is now known as bvsh 2014-09-19T03:22:40 < qyx_> looks pro 2014-09-19T03:22:49 < dongs> that looks better than those stackable DX boxes 2014-09-19T03:22:52 < dongs> god damn those are awful 2014-09-19T03:23:14 < dongs> looking for pic. 2014-09-19T03:23:16 < dongs> they're awful 2014-09-19T03:23:29 < dongs> http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_221629_1.jpg 2014-09-19T03:23:30 < dongs> this shit 2014-09-19T03:23:44 < qyx_> yep, they can be opened independently 2014-09-19T03:24:03 < dongs> yeah, and its also shitty inside cuz its not smooth 2014-09-19T03:26:58 < dongs> chinese fabs = 1 month leadtime minimum 2014-09-19T03:27:00 < dongs> for any size proj 2014-09-19T03:27:06 < dongs> you'll forget what you were making before they deliver 2014-09-19T03:27:58 < dongs> what else do those jews sell 2014-09-19T03:28:33 < dongs> R2COM: try DRAGONCIRCUITS LOLOLOL 2014-09-19T03:28:46 < dongs> they claim to be some military contractor in texas 2014-09-19T03:28:53 < dongs> with customers like nasa, boeing etc 2014-09-19T03:29:22 < dongs> yes 2014-09-19T03:29:48 < dongs> their prices are.. 2014-09-19T03:30:01 < dongs> for my proj of 1k 2014-09-19T03:30:18 < dongs> NRE = 400, for 1200 boards $14.5/board for 6 weeks leadtime 2014-09-19T03:31:17 < dongs> i think its pretty ridiculous, it should be <$1/board in these qtys 2014-09-19T03:31:22 < dongs> for say 10 boards I'd say thats a good price 2014-09-19T03:31:31 < ossifrage> anyone know of a good disassembler for cortex-m0? 2014-09-19T03:31:32 < dongs> setup is reasonable, tho they have some $200 "netlist test report" 2014-09-19T03:31:42 < dongs> that I'm not sure what the fuck that does 2014-09-19T03:31:52 < ossifrage> something wit some language understading 2014-09-19T03:31:52 < dongs> if it was only $200 NRE/setup, thats prety good 2014-09-19T03:32:04 < dongs> ossifrage: whats wrong with IDA, besides price 2014-09-19T03:33:14 < dongs> R2COM: i think so, only used china once like 5 years ago for 100 board run 2014-09-19T03:33:22 < dongs> forgot waht the pricing was but it was around that 2014-09-19T03:44:44 < ossifrage> dongs, I guess I will give IDA a try 2014-09-19T03:45:00 < ossifrage> I think I want to cut this thing apart first :-) 2014-09-19T03:54:31 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-19T04:00:15 < GargantuaSauce> xbee u_u 2014-09-19T04:00:52 < GargantuaSauce> overpriced and underpowered 2014-09-19T04:04:22 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-85-141.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-19T04:10:10 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-19T04:13:16 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-85-194.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T04:16:53 < dongs> lol spansion 2014-09-19T04:19:52 < dongs> qyx_: http://www.ebay.com/itm/161241698276 2014-09-19T04:21:30 < qyx_> lol i meant exactly something like that 2014-09-19T04:21:59 < dongs> its a bit spendy for what it is, but I guess it would work OK 2014-09-19T04:23:22 < qyx_> ill probably buy those 144 cell boxes and try to find suitable way of unpacking/unloading reels 2014-09-19T04:23:46 < dongs> well, "suitable way" is easy 2014-09-19T04:23:49 < dongs> you just peel tape 2014-09-19T04:23:58 < dongs> at acute angle to the paper 2014-09-19T04:24:01 < dongs> and it just drops right into tray 2014-09-19T04:24:19 < dongs> just time your feed/tape speed enouogh and it'll be dropping at exactly same place, so you can fill a box with that stuff 2014-09-19T04:24:42 < qyx_> nah 2014-09-19T04:25:44 < dongs> R2COM: lemme know what kinda quote you get from dragondicks 2014-09-19T04:26:23 < dongs> you can email wesb@dpcb.com for quote. 2014-09-19T04:27:19 < GargantuaSauce> just dont piss him off or you'll get your pictures posted and called a terrorist 2014-09-19T04:27:50 < dongs> :D 2014-09-19T04:27:51 < dongs> right 2014-09-19T04:29:09 < dongs> ipad mini 2 = ipad mini retina display 2? 2014-09-19T04:29:18 < dongs> fuckign confusing ass apple idiot shit 2014-09-19T04:29:48 < dongs> http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_ipad_mini_2-5735.php k seems so 2014-09-19T04:30:00 < dongs> i cant believe those dicks are calling itrash6 "retina display" with 720p screen 2014-09-19T04:30:05 < dongs> that shit is so 4 years ago 2014-09-19T04:31:21 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-19T04:31:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T04:32:19 -!- phantom [destroy@a89-154-119-158.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T04:32:43 -!- phantom is now known as Guest38509 2014-09-19T04:36:01 -!- Guest43834 [destroy@a89-154-119-158.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-19T04:52:16 -!- tonyarkles [~aja042@142-165-85-194.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-19T04:54:13 -!- FreezingCold [~FreezingC@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 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works just fine with floating point, one just shouldn't forget to enable the FPU before the first operation. 2014-09-19T07:17:14 < lanteau> ;) 2014-09-19T07:17:44 < englishman> http://circuitmaker.com/#bring_your_ideas_to_life 2014-09-19T07:17:46 < englishman> omg omg 2014-09-19T07:17:53 < englishman> altium consumer shits 2014-09-19T07:20:34 < dongs> R2COM: 8mm reels are usual, there are 12mm+ mm reels that are sometimes double that 2014-09-19T07:21:06 < dongs> englishman: that website has even less info than a typical dickstarter campaing 2014-09-19T07:21:16 < englishman> dont care 2014-09-19T07:21:20 < englishman> i liked them on facebook 2014-09-19T07:22:24 < englishman> altium+free=magic and fairies 2014-09-19T07:23:03 < PaulFertser> R2COM: some simple stm32 shit at work, and trying to improve openocd at home, nothing really interesting :/ 2014-09-19T07:26:52 < dongs> no thats the "big" reel 2014-09-19T07:26:57 < dongs> 8mm stuff is usually half that 2014-09-19T07:27:08 -!- 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http://www.reddit.com/r/TechnologyPorn/comments/2fyh1s/the_motherboard_of_the_moto_360_smartwatch/ 2014-09-19T08:13:28 < upgrdman> ball stack :) 2014-09-19T08:16:49 < upgrdman> cost savings? 2014-09-19T08:16:50 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T08:20:36 < dongs> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/gBpUcOrPcrDlZBJ1 cunt should have linked highrez version 2014-09-19T08:22:30 < emeb_mac> such dense, very chips, wow 2014-09-19T08:23:46 < dongs> It's the best Android Wear watch, but that isn't saying much 2014-09-19T08:24:29 < ds2> hehe 2014-09-19T08:25:20 < ds2> emeb_mac: that is more or less just a beagleboard xM 2014-09-19T08:25:56 < emeb_mac> ds2: kinda sorta 2014-09-19T08:26:06 < emeb_mac> missing big ugly ethernet & USB 2014-09-19T08:26:16 < ds2> *nod* and a few radios 2014-09-19T08:26:22 < ds2> the processor is the same 2014-09-19T08:26:42 < emeb_mac> dm3530-ish 2014-09-19T08:26:50 < ds2> OMAP3630 2014-09-19T08:26:54 < emeb_mac> aha 2014-09-19T08:26:59 < ds2> same as the DM3730 2014-09-19T08:27:15 < emeb_mac> does that have the C6x DSP too? 2014-09-19T08:27:22 < ds2> yeah 2014-09-19T08:27:28 < emeb_mac> wonder if they use it? 2014-09-19T08:27:43 < ds2> if it is like its predecessor, probaly not 2014-09-19T08:27:51 < ds2> burns too much power if they do ;) 2014-09-19T08:27:52 < emeb_mac> not surprised 2014-09-19T08:28:14 < emeb_mac> always wished I'd tried to do some stuff with that aspect of the Beagleboard 2014-09-19T08:28:21 < emeb_mac> never got around to it tho 2014-09-19T08:28:32 < ds2> never too late 2014-09-19T08:28:54 < ds2> most other chips are just not as power efficient as that 2014-09-19T08:29:00 < emeb_mac> I've got a couple old BBs - not XM, but the prior boards 2014-09-19T08:29:16 < ds2> those aren't bad 2014-09-19T08:29:26 < ds2> I prefer them for projects 2014-09-19T08:29:39 < emeb_mac> just that the software to talk to the DSP is so fragmented 2014-09-19T08:29:46 < ds2> heheh 2014-09-19T08:30:04 < emeb_mac> and code development... ugh 2014-09-19T08:30:13 -!- Abhishek_ [uid26899@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eclbegwchdooachd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-19T08:30:18 < ds2> are there even free tools for that DSP? 2014-09-19T08:30:38 < emeb_mac> I'm not sure 2014-09-19T08:30:57 < emeb_mac> there was a TI-source compiler at one point 2014-09-19T08:31:07 < emeb_mac> but I'm not sure if it's still available 2014-09-19T08:31:18 < ds2> thought that was a $5K package 2014-09-19T08:31:24 < ds2> was there a free one? 2014-09-19T08:31:29 < emeb_mac> maybe bootleg 2014-09-19T08:31:33 < ds2> ah 2014-09-19T08:31:49 < ds2> they did a GCC port for it but donno if that was ever finished 2014-09-19T08:33:06 < emeb_mac> maybe that's what I was thinking of 2014-09-19T08:33:24 < emeb_mac> then the various competing DSP-Link, etc kernel interfaces 2014-09-19T08:33:29 < ds2> *shrug* 2014-09-19T08:33:46 < ds2> dspgateway, dsplink, dspbridge, syslink..... :D 2014-09-19T08:33:56 < emeb_mac> never could get a straight answer which one was best 2014-09-19T08:34:10 < emeb_mac> "the nice thing about standards is there are so many to choose from" 2014-09-19T08:34:13 < ds2> the best one is the one the guy you are talking to is using ;) 2014-09-19T08:34:42 < emeb_mac> reminded me too much of the old AV Macs with Moto 680x0 + ATT DSP3210 2014-09-19T08:34:57 < ds2> didn't know there were macs with DSPs 2014-09-19T08:34:57 < emeb_mac> and a hairy software system to keep them synced up 2014-09-19T08:35:11 < emeb_mac> yep - two models back in the mid-90's 2014-09-19T08:35:19 < ds2> I know there were NeXT boxes like that 2014-09-19T08:35:23 < emeb_mac> yes 2014-09-19T08:35:34 < ds2> was that Job's doing after he came back? 2014-09-19T08:36:10 < emeb_mac> could be 2014-09-19T08:36:30 < baird> I recall people being very disappointed that the DSPs weren't programmable.. 2014-09-19T08:36:36 < emeb_mac> they were cool systems, but ultimately too kludgy 2014-09-19T08:36:36 < ds2> who owns the DSP3210 IP thesedays? 2014-09-19T08:36:40 < baird> (beyond a NDA..) 2014-09-19T08:37:09 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@138.62.237.26] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T08:37:54 < emeb_mac> dunno 2014-09-19T08:38:01 < emeb_mac> they're weird processors 2014-09-19T08:38:19 < emeb_mac> I did some work to program it - all assembly 2014-09-19T08:38:36 < emeb_mac> full floating point though 2014-09-19T08:39:52 < ds2> seem like thesedays, the only DSPs are TI or ADI 2014-09-19T08:41:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-19T08:42:11 -!- Smd_ [Smd_@79.114.29.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-19T08:42:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T08:42:21 -!- Smd_ [Smd_@79.114.63.31] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T08:42:27 < emeb_mac> yeah 2014-09-19T08:42:44 < emeb_mac> Freescale still has some, but they're not pushing them hard 2014-09-19T08:44:14 < 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transaction without trigger signal? 2014-09-19T13:48:23 < zyp> yes 2014-09-19T13:54:18 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T13:55:42 < twixx> zyp: can i use this to transfer data from SRAM to LCD (both FSMC) ? because i dont get it working :/ 2014-09-19T13:56:24 < twixx> transfer by CPU is working (so FSMC setup seems to be right) 2014-09-19T13:56:30 < zyp> hmm 2014-09-19T13:56:53 < zyp> check that both ports of the selected memory peripheral can access the FSMC 2014-09-19T13:56:58 < zyp> DMA peripheral* 2014-09-19T13:58:05 < twixx> i get something "working" with TIM2 as trigger. (M2M disabled) but it just transfers only some Lines for the LCD 2014-09-19T13:58:48 < twixx> like 1/5 of the whole data 2014-09-19T13:59:11 < dongs> i've used M2M dma as fast memset() 2014-09-19T13:59:39 < dongs> for fsmc, it might need to be memory to peripheral? since fsmc range is in some peripheral range etc 2014-09-19T14:00:00 < dongs> twixx: 1/ 5 of data, is your buffer size correct etc 2014-09-19T14:00:23 < twixx> dongs jepp same size as "manual" transfer by cpu 2014-09-19T14:00:34 < dongs> that might be wrong 2014-09-19T14:00:48 < dongs> well, depending what your dma stride is 2014-09-19T14:01:08 < dongs> ie if you set it to 32bit and .size = same as cpu byte copy, you'll only get 1/4 2014-09-19T14:01:24 < dongs> i think? i dont remember 2014-09-19T14:01:42 < dongs> i know its one way or another depends on width 2014-09-19T14:04:04 < twixx> payload is 1byte. so i set 2014-09-19T14:04:04 < twixx> DMA_InitStructure.DMA_PeripheralDataSize = DMA_PeripheralDataSize_Byte; 2014-09-19T14:04:04 < twixx> DMA_InitStructure.DMA_MemoryDataSize = DMA_MemoryDataSize_Byte; 2014-09-19T14:05:23 < twixx> dongs: wow ok i changed the size. now i got more lines...thanks! 2014-09-19T14:05:37 < twixx> but i dont know why 2014-09-19T14:13:17 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-19T14:25:58 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-19T14:26:19 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T14:29:09 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T14:31:18 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T14:44:27 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2014-09-19T14:48:08 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T14:48:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T14:51:49 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-19T14:56:41 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qjwdxiytsoojzzux] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-19T15:17:49 -!- jadew [~chatzilla@188.25.23.152] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0.1/20140911151253]] 2014-09-19T15:34:01 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Quit: bbl, reboot] 2014-09-19T15:36:20 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-19T15:48:18 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.23.152] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T16:08:55 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@c-71-224-59-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-19T16:30:15 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-19T16:39:18 < Laurenceb> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vulture2spaceplane/balloon-launch-of-the-vulture-2-rocket-powered-spa 2014-09-19T16:39:20 < Laurenceb> nooooooooooo 2014-09-19T16:41:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T16:43:17 -!- xkonni [~konni@lvps5-35-240-61.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T16:43:31 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cCAE7653E.static.as2116.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-19T16:44:23 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-19T16:47:21 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T16:50:11 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-19T16:51:03 < dongs> yessss 2014-09-19T16:52:37 < synic> I'm afraid I already know the answer to this, but I figured I'd ask anyway. Sometimes there's surprises 2014-09-19T16:52:55 < synic> is there any way to battery backup the stm32f030f4 tssop-20 RTC? 2014-09-19T16:53:22 < synic> maybe I should just get some f303 parts for this 2014-09-19T16:53:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T16:53:48 < dongs> does it have vbat??? 2014-09-19T16:54:06 < synic> no vbat, looks like none of the f030 have vbat 2014-09-19T16:54:11 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-19T16:54:57 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T16:59:59 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-19T17:00:17 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@ip-96-43-228-121.dsl.netrevolution.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:00:27 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@ip-96-43-228-121.dsl.netrevolution.com] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-19T17:00:27 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:01:55 -!- Rickta59_ [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:02:44 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-19T17:02:56 -!- Rickta59_ is now known as Rickta59 2014-09-19T17:08:15 < Laurenceb> synic: you can probably just put it into the right sleep mode then 2014-09-19T17:08:21 < Laurenceb> but i havent used it... 2014-09-19T17:09:07 -!- jef79m_ [~jef79m@124-171-36-62.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:09:56 < Laurenceb> http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/monkeys/monkey_makeup.jpg 2014-09-19T17:10:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-19T17:10:21 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: hornang, jef79m, fbs 2014-09-19T17:10:21 -!- jef79m_ is now known as jef79m 2014-09-19T17:10:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: hornang 2014-09-19T17:15:54 < englishman> dongs http://i.imgur.com/IWZpfzJ.jpg 2014-09-19T17:16:09 -!- fbs [fbs@fsf/member/fbs] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:16:17 < dongs> retweeting 2014-09-19T17:21:56 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-19T17:29:51 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2014-09-19T17:29:51 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has quit [Quit: NO WINE, NO WIFE, NO CARRIER] 2014-09-19T17:30:11 < Laurenceb> this is not twatter 2014-09-19T17:30:24 -!- rmob [~rmob@ipbcc2e761.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:30:59 < gxti> then why post all the crap, Laurenceb? 2014-09-19T17:31:01 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:38:02 -!- SpaceCoaster_ [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:39:02 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:42:07 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:48:18 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-19T17:48:19 -!- rewolff1 [~wolff@cust-95-128-94-82.breedbanddelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-19T17:48:32 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-19T17:49:02 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:49:46 -!- rewolff1 [~wolff@cust-95-128-94-82.breedbanddelft.nl] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:50:17 < synic> Laurenceb: for me it's not about saving power in this project. It'll either have a steady supply or it won't 2014-09-19T17:50:40 < synic> meh, just ordered some f303 chips, hopefully my code won't need to many changes 2014-09-19T17:50:45 < synic> *too 2014-09-19T17:51:43 < gxti> well, when you don't have a steady supply then you put the chip in standby so you can get low enough consumption to run off a coin cell or whatever 2014-09-19T17:52:01 < synic> ah I see 2014-09-19T17:52:05 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-19T17:52:12 < gxti> i looked around for a nice power switching IC that would be a suitable replacement for what the F1 stuff does but didn't find it, so you're probably stuck with a schottky diode or similar 2014-09-19T17:52:33 < emeb> +1 for f303 2014-09-19T17:52:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T17:52:44 < emeb> synic: what'cha doing with f303? 2014-09-19T17:53:11 < gxti> the standby current is certainly low enough to do the same thing, it's just not nearly as convenient when you don't have VBAT switching 2014-09-19T17:55:26 < dongs> vbutt 2014-09-19T18:00:10 -!- jadew` [~jadew@188.25.23.152] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:03:03 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Out] 2014-09-19T18:03:26 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:05:47 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:05:49 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:05:49 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.23.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:07:33 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:08:35 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-19T18:09:08 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:09:31 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] --- Log closed Fri Sep 19 18:31:10 2014 --- Log opened Fri Sep 19 18:31:17 2014 2014-09-19T18:31:17 -!- jpa-_ [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:31:17 -!- Irssi: ##stm32: Total of 93 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 92 normal] 2014-09-19T18:31:19 -!- Matt_soton [~mattbrejz@kryten.hexoc.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:31:36 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:31:37 -!- debris` [debris@shells.ohai.su] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:31:37 -!- jpa- [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:31:38 -!- synic [~squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:31:39 -!- mattbrejza [~mattbrejz@kryten.hexoc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:31:40 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:31:40 -!- karlp [~karl@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:31:41 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:31:44 -!- synico [~squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:31:45 -!- debris`_ [debris@shells.ohai.su] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:32:07 -!- Matt_soton is now known as mattbrejza 2014-09-19T18:32:20 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:32:32 -!- debris`_ is now known as debris` 2014-09-19T18:32:37 -!- Irssi: Join to ##stm32 was synced in 86 secs 2014-09-19T18:32:48 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:34:23 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-19T18:34:58 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:35:00 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@5-12-149-214.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:37:32 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:42:30 -!- sterna [~Adium@129.16.159.144] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:46:01 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:46:02 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-19T18:46:48 -!- tkd [~tomek@ogbunabali.wa.ht] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:46:52 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T18:57:03 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-19T19:09:34 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T19:16:52 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-19T19:19:03 -!- jadew` [~jadew@188.25.23.152] has quit [Quit: I believe in you! 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pin set up correctly? what's the voltage source? 2014-09-19T22:18:46 < jadew> I believe so, it's the 2nd channel, PA2 (the cube thing says it's right), the pin is set to analog mode, the voltage source is the VCC line, going through a voltage divider 2014-09-19T22:19:39 < TheSeven> and I guess you've checked the actual voltage on the pin, just to rule that out... 2014-09-19T22:19:45 < jadew> yeah 2014-09-19T22:19:47 < TheSeven> how many ohms does that voltage divider have? 2014-09-19T22:19:55 < jadew> 10k 2014-09-19T22:19:59 < TheSeven> seems fine as well 2014-09-19T22:20:01 < TheSeven> hm. 2014-09-19T22:20:01 < jadew> yeah 2014-09-19T22:20:17 < jadew> let me post some code, in case I'm missing something 2014-09-19T22:20:27 < TheSeven> so... which chip are you working with in the first place? 2014-09-19T22:20:31 < jadew> f4 2014-09-19T22:21:45 < TheSeven> that one has multiple ADCs, with multiple inputs each, connected to external pins in a weird way 2014-09-19T22:22:08 < jadew> yeah, I didn't find much info on how they are connected 2014-09-19T22:22:22 < jadew> but cube says that the PA pins kinda match the ADC input channels 2014-09-19T22:22:30 < jadew> at least for the two pins I'm using 2014-09-19T22:23:46 < jadew> http://pastebin.com/n32epcgd 2014-09-19T22:24:00 < jadew> the thing at the top gets executed first 2014-09-19T22:24:04 < jadew> before calling the function 2014-09-19T22:24:21 < jadew> I put it there because it's scattered across several files 2014-09-19T22:25:01 < jadew> the thing is that if I set the SWSTART bit with my debugger, I can see the EOC bit getting set 2014-09-19T22:25:07 < TheSeven> yeah, PA2 is channel 2 on all ADCs 2014-09-19T22:25:31 < jadew> the DR contains garbage, but once read the EOC gets cleared, so at least I know the peripheral is working 2014-09-19T22:26:12 < jadew> the vref pin is at about 3.3 2014-09-19T22:26:32 < jadew> that's what it's being used as a reference for the conversion, right? 2014-09-19T22:26:55 < TheSeven> I don't see you setting SQR3 anywhere 2014-09-19T22:27:27 < jadew> I have to set it? even if it's a single conversion? 2014-09-19T22:28:56 < TheSeven> well you need to tell it which channel to sample? 2014-09-19T22:28:59 -!- _BJFreeman [~bjfree@115.sub-75-244-129.myvzw.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T22:29:25 < jadew> I thought that's what the CR1 channel bit group is for, no? 2014-09-19T22:29:36 < TheSeven> that's for the analog watchdog 2014-09-19T22:29:42 < jadew> oh 2014-09-19T22:30:16 < jadew> AWESOME 2014-09-19T22:30:20 < jadew> thank you! 2014-09-19T22:30:34 < jadew> I've been stuck on this for about two hours 2014-09-19T22:30:47 -!- _BJFreeman is now known as BJfreeman 2014-09-19T22:30:53 * TheSeven knows that feeling ;) 2014-09-19T22:31:29 < jadew> you're right, it even says "Analog watchdog channel" [:facepalm:] 2014-09-19T22:31:53 < TheSeven> a second pair of eyes with some working example code to compare to always helps ;) 2014-09-19T22:32:17 < jadew> indeed, thanks again 2014-09-19T22:35:01 < jadew> so... increasing the sampling time in the SMPR registers is just keeping the gate open for a bit longer, right? 2014-09-19T22:35:23 < jadew> like... it keeps the sampling capacitor exposed to the input for a longer period 2014-09-19T22:35:30 < TheSeven> yes 2014-09-19T22:35:39 < jadew> cool, good to know 2014-09-19T22:35:44 < jadew> thanks again 2014-09-19T22:36:27 < TheSeven> mostly used for high-impedance sources that can't charge the capacitor to an accurate voltage within the short sampling window 2014-09-19T22:37:28 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-19T22:38:23 -!- BJfreeman [~bjfree@115.sub-75-244-129.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: had a good time] 2014-09-19T22:38:25 < jadew> yeah, I figured 2014-09-19T22:43:43 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-190-74-87.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T22:44:21 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Out] 2014-09-19T22:50:29 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: and like that, he's gone] 2014-09-19T22:51:53 -!- gnomad [~gnomad@c-71-203-29-67.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T22:54:21 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T22:56:42 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-19T23:02:36 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.176] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T23:07:32 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-19T23:20:45 -!- karlp_ is now known as karlp 2014-09-19T23:25:41 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-19T23:29:10 < karlp> TheSeven: where does the manual suggest that the bootloader is flash backed? 2014-09-19T23:29:35 < TheSeven> I think I spotted that in the f030 reference manual or datasheet 2014-09-19T23:29:59 < TheSeven> it says that it's factory programmed flash "protected against spurious writes", but I guess that could be circumvented if we knew how :P 2014-09-19T23:31:55 < jadew> ok... so this is a bit weird, I'm waiting for the EOC flag, yet if I read the DR right away, I get the same value on 2 channel 2014-09-19T23:32:14 < jadew> if I add a delay between the time when the EOC is set and the actual read of the DR, I get the correct values 2014-09-19T23:32:30 < jadew> is there a different indicator that the data has settled? 2014-09-19T23:32:44 < jadew> or I guess that the DR was set 2014-09-19T23:33:16 < TheSeven> my code is waiting on EOC, not DR 2014-09-19T23:33:24 < jadew> yeah 2014-09-19T23:33:30 < TheSeven> ah, right 2014-09-19T23:33:33 < TheSeven> misread that ;) 2014-09-19T23:33:37 < jadew> ah, I think I know what's going on 2014-09-19T23:33:43 < jadew> I believe I have to wait for STRT first 2014-09-19T23:33:49 < jadew> and only then for EOC 2014-09-19T23:33:50 < TheSeven> ok, so it seems to work for me, but then again my code will likely have some overhead 2014-09-19T23:34:21 < TheSeven> shouldn't EOC be reset after reading DR already? 2014-09-19T23:34:27 < jadew> yeah 2014-09-19T23:34:42 < jadew> but I suppose I might read DR and test EOC again too fast 2014-09-19T23:34:57 < jadew> so by the time I check EOC, a new conversion might not have started 2014-09-19T23:35:53 < jadew> wait, that doesn't make sense 2014-09-19T23:36:06 < jadew> EOC should be 0 after reading DR so what I said can't happen 2014-09-19T23:37:32 < jadew> I think I know what the issue is 2014-09-19T23:37:40 < jadew> heh 2014-09-19T23:37:51 < jadew> ok, solved, there was no issue 2014-09-19T23:38:35 < jadew> the voltage on one of the inputs is generated by output from the mcu, through some external analog circuitry 2014-09-19T23:39:07 < jadew> I was testing the this getADC routine right after setting that output up, so it didn't have enough time to settle 2014-09-19T23:39:59 < jadew> boom! it's bang on now 2014-09-19T23:41:12 < jadew> that's actually quite impressive, it's correct down to the mV level, I wonder if it's just this chip or if the ADC is this accurate by default 2014-09-19T23:42:25 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0aeacc.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-19T23:45:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] --- Day changed Sat Sep 20 2014 2014-09-20T00:00:21 < TheSeven> jadew: the ADC is pretty damn accurate if the voltages are stable 2014-09-20T00:00:48 < jadew> TheSeven, yeah, it's amazing, I was expecting a bit of offset at least 2014-09-20T00:01:10 < TheSeven> this is not some atmel crap :P 2014-09-20T00:01:36 < jadew> I'm sort of an atmel fan, but I'll give you this one :P 2014-09-20T00:01:53 < jadew> the ADCs on atmel are really bad compared to this 2014-09-20T00:03:02 < jadew> I used an atmel chip in a home made PSU, and I had to compensate for the curve of the ADC 2014-09-20T00:03:18 < jadew> that after removing offsets 2014-09-20T00:14:41 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-20T00:28:13 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T00:28:59 < bvernoux> hi 2014-09-20T00:45:30 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T00:46:16 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-20T00:46:37 -!- bvernoux1 is now known as bvernoux 2014-09-20T00:59:22 -!- alan5 [~quassel@85.210.227.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-20T01:17:31 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-20T01:41:33 -!- sterna [~Adium@129.16.159.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-20T01:44:18 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-20T01:56:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T01:56:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-20T02:00:29 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-20T02:03:18 -!- CipherWizard_ [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-20T02:08:13 -!- tyler_durden [7a0f9082@gateway/web/freenode/ip.122.15.144.130] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T02:08:58 < tyler_durden> hello can someone explain how to implement watchdog timer in freertos? 2014-09-20T02:12:39 < karlp> you need to get more dead bodies to make soap first, 2014-09-20T02:12:59 < karlp> then, while you're making the soap, you leave a pet outside and tell him to keep a weather eye out. 2014-09-20T02:13:09 < karlp> and that's how you get a watchdog. 2014-09-20T02:13:15 < karlp> no idea about freertos sorry. 2014-09-20T02:20:51 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 2014-09-20T02:42:59 < Laurenceb__> you talking about jews? 2014-09-20T02:43:05 < Laurenceb__> you need to get more dead bodies to make soap first 2014-09-20T02:50:57 * GargantuaSauce notes that Laurenceb__ is not well read 2014-09-20T02:58:13 < baird> Or observing rules 1 & 2 properly. 2014-09-20T03:09:48 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-190-74-87.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-20T03:19:48 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.63.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-20T03:34:33 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tyrojdtedybktnvj] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T04:28:51 < upgrdman> got my screwdriver even hotter with the induction heater. i also think i destroyed my caps... resonant frequency started to climb quick at the end. i wonder what ripple current my MLCC ceramics are rated for. lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsapwoxHllk&feature=youtu.be 2014-09-20T04:59:39 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-20T05:24:22 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-231-211.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-20T05:27:34 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-246-51.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T05:50:19 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-20T05:52:28 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T05:55:09 < dongs> bloggin 2014-09-20T05:55:29 < dongs> them ballz look a bit small 2014-09-20T05:57:04 < dongs> 0.35mm pad? 2014-09-20T05:57:05 < dongs> or so 2014-09-20T05:57:12 < dongs> mkay 2014-09-20T05:57:23 < dongs> i got one ~similar size 2014-09-20T05:57:25 < dongs> is that 81 balls? 2014-09-20T05:57:32 < dongs> to lazy to count 2014-09-20T05:57:32 < dongs> ah 2014-09-20T06:08:28 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T06:15:13 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-20T06:15:33 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-20T06:20:59 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T06:21:59 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T06:29:08 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T06:30:07 < upgrdman> what footprint is that center one with super long pads? 2014-09-20T06:32:32 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-20T06:41:08 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-20T06:42:22 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T06:54:18 < dongs> upgrdman: just sounds like regular qfp with shitty pads 2014-09-20T06:54:35 < upgrdman> o ok 2014-09-20T06:54:50 < dongs> hm, its like tqfp32 but with 0.5mm pitch? 2014-09-20T06:54:51 < upgrdman> are long pads used for any reason? less chance for bridges? 2014-09-20T06:55:07 < dongs> no reason at all i think, maybe for hand soldering as excuse but i dunno 2014-09-20T06:56:34 < dongs> spartan6 breakout arrived 2014-09-20T06:56:50 < dongs> and the pitch is correct 2014-09-20T07:02:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-20T07:04:17 < dongs> but china lied 2014-09-20T07:04:23 < dongs> board isnt 50mm 2014-09-20T07:06:41 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@c-71-224-59-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T07:07:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T07:07:24 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-20T07:15:50 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@c-71-224-59-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-20T07:17:21 -!- ossifrage [~ossifrage@c-71-224-59-2.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T07:26:58 -!- Alexer [~alexer@alexer.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-20T07:31:22 -!- jadew [~jadew@188.25.23.152] has quit [Quit: I believe in you! 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MGA 1064SG [Mystique] (rev 03)" here 2014-09-20T10:26:39 < dongs> now they're in landscape mode 2014-09-20T10:26:51 < dongs> yea 2014-09-20T10:27:16 < ds2> dongs: trying to do that electronic divider display at the Seoul airport? 2014-09-20T10:30:03 < dongs> its not out yet. 2014-09-20T10:30:06 < dongs> some german site wants 500 eur for it 2014-09-20T10:30:10 < dongs> which is ridiculous 2014-09-20T10:30:16 < dongs> it shouldn't be more than 300$ or so 2014-09-20T10:31:40 < dongs> hentai 2014-09-20T10:43:04 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@81-196-140-82.cable-modem.hdsnet.hu] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T10:48:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T10:50:29 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T11:15:37 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ae97b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T11:18:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.144] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T11:19:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T11:32:49 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gwbepevqqqiarrve] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T12:22:22 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ae97b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-20T12:32:37 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T12:57:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-20T13:00:37 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T13:00:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-20T13:00:43 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-20T13:00:43 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T13:02:36 < TheSeven> hm, who was it then... 2014-09-20T13:27:20 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-20T13:27:33 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T13:27:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.62.99] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T13:28:55 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-20T13:32:28 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-20T13:33:04 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T13:34:07 -!- alan5 [~quassel@85.210.232.155] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T13:34:14 -!- dongs [~dongs@bcas.tv] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-20T13:35:01 -!- dongs [~dongs@bcas.tv] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T13:40:39 < Steffanx> could've been zyp, TheSeven 2014-09-20T13:40:52 < TheSeven> indeed, quite likely 2014-09-20T13:43:07 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-20T13:43:15 < TheSeven> ok, so zyp: I think I remember you complaining that the M0 doesn't support vector table relocation 2014-09-20T13:43:15 < TheSeven> as far as I understand that can be faked at the cost of some RAM bytes, by remapping SRAM to address 0 2014-09-20T13:43:15 < TheSeven> shouldn't make a perfomance difference as the M0 doesn't seem to have a separate bus for the address 0 area 2014-09-20T13:43:15 < TheSeven> the manual also suggests that the system memory bootloader is in fact backed by flash memory ;) 2014-09-20T13:43:15 < TheSeven> it says that it's factory programmed flash "protected against spurious writes", but I guess that could be circumvented if we knew how :P 2014-09-20T13:52:38 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T13:55:45 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T13:58:46 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-20T14:03:05 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T14:03:36 < TheSeven> my latest breakout: http://i.imgur.com/DPTiidd.png 2014-09-20T14:04:36 < TheSeven> (the white area at the bottom is the SWD pin header, no idea why altium is drawing silkscreen over holes :P 2014-09-20T14:05:42 < TheSeven> back side: http://i.imgur.com/5WpBSIi.png 2014-09-20T14:06:02 < TheSeven> (that's a footprint for a microsd socket or spi flash chip) 2014-09-20T14:06:49 < TheSeven> the whole thing is 24x24mm 2014-09-20T14:09:12 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-20T14:10:56 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-20T14:14:49 < dongs> isnt nanoboard (c) (tm) altium 2014-09-20T14:21:50 < TheSeven> no idea, I think that's a pretty generic name for "something small"? ;) 2014-09-20T14:22:14 < TheSeven> in fact I never ran across that name in altium context before 2014-09-20T14:22:20 < TheSeven> it's just the project file name anyway 2014-09-20T14:22:29 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/sites/default/files/wiki_attachments/207991/NB3000_MainPhoto.png 2014-09-20T14:22:32 < dongs> this shit 2014-09-20T14:22:47 < dongs> its some fucked up fpga/something prototyping shit that has drivers/stuff inside altium 2014-09-20T14:22:53 < dongs> more of "shit noone ever uses" type stuff 2014-09-20T14:22:59 < dongs> that makes it $7.5k 2014-09-20T14:23:30 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T14:23:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2wOIYQD.png current innovation 2014-09-20T14:24:30 < qyx_> whats that 2014-09-20T14:24:32 < qyx_> 3 xtals 2014-09-20T14:24:40 < dongs> all different! 2014-09-20T14:24:44 < dongs> 12, 27, 28.6464 2014-09-20T14:25:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-20T14:28:45 < qyx_> some hdmi/sound/lcd stuff? 2014-09-20T14:29:04 < dongs> yea 2014-09-20T14:34:23 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2014-09-20T14:36:35 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@81-196-140-82.cable-modem.hdsnet.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-20T14:36:55 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@81-196-140-82.cable-modem.hdsnet.hu] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T14:44:17 < dongs> http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/2gvrlj/iphone_6_plus_is_super_hot_literally/ uh oh 2014-09-20T14:57:49 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2014-09-20T14:59:27 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@81-196-140-82.cable-modem.hdsnet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-20T15:08:45 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-190-74-87.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T15:42:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T15:53:54 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-20T16:13:33 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-20T16:21:43 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ae97b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T16:44:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T17:07:57 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T17:22:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.62.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-20T17:27:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T17:38:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.78.149] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T17:55:07 < englishman> /* Set the Rx Fido threshold */ 2014-09-20T17:55:09 < englishman> hehe, stm32cube 2014-09-20T17:57:24 < Laurenceb__> anyone here any good with sed? 2014-09-20T17:57:26 < Laurenceb__> sed -i 's,/LT0 {PL [] LC0 DL} def,/LT0 {PL [10 dl1 8 dl2] LC1 DL} def,' "$f" 2014-09-20T17:57:29 < Laurenceb__> ^whatrs wrong? 2014-09-20T17:58:22 -!- alexn [~alexn@128.0.99.192] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T17:59:03 -!- alexn [~alexn@128.0.99.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-20T18:01:06 < zyp> uh, what are you trying to do? 2014-09-20T18:01:24 < zyp> the unescaped [] looks pretty wrong at least 2014-09-20T18:01:49 < Laurenceb__> replace /LT0 {PL [] LC0 DL} def 2014-09-20T18:01:55 < Laurenceb__> with ,/LT0 {PL [10 dl1 8 dl2] LC1 DL} def 2014-09-20T18:02:02 < Laurenceb__> with /LT0 {PL [10 dl1 8 dl2] LC1 DL} def 2014-09-20T18:03:45 < zyp> … 2014-09-20T18:04:15 < Laurenceb__> middle line was wrong lol 2014-09-20T18:04:25 < zyp> well, you have to escape shit that would otherwise mean something as a regex 2014-09-20T18:04:54 < Laurenceb__> what does escape mean? 2014-09-20T18:05:06 < Laurenceb__> i put \ in front of it or something? 2014-09-20T18:05:13 < zyp> yes 2014-09-20T18:07:42 < Laurenceb__> ah that works, thanks 2014-09-20T18:20:44 < Steffanx> heh 2014-09-20T18:51:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-20T19:05:22 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-20T19:11:17 < englishman> wow stm32cubemx is pretty rad 2014-09-20T19:16:53 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T19:19:56 < englishman> does f3 require 22R resistors on usb? i think ive been thru this but i cant get this chip to dfu 2014-09-20T19:21:41 < emeb_mac> which f3? 2014-09-20T19:22:47 < emeb_mac> AFAIK the 22ohm parts aren't needed for f3, but I put them on and it works fine 2014-09-20T19:22:50 < englishman> f303cb 2014-09-20T19:23:06 < englishman> i see the f3disco board has them 2014-09-20T19:23:14 < englishman> but i have another board here without 2014-09-20T19:23:15 < emeb_mac> right 2014-09-20T19:23:28 < emeb_mac> f303 shouldn't have trouble with DFU 2014-09-20T19:23:57 < emeb_mac> some early f373 had bad bootloader code that didn't DFU, but that was fixed later. 2014-09-20T19:23:58 < englishman> anything im missing, the chip works fine, but ground boot0 + plug in usb = no device descriptor sent 2014-09-20T19:24:00 < englishman> i have the 1.5k pullup but thats it 2014-09-20T19:24:42 < emeb_mac> should be all you need 2014-09-20T19:24:54 < emeb_mac> check to see if the XTAL starts running 2014-09-20T19:25:04 < englishman> 3. No external termination series resistors are required on USB_DP (D+) and USB_DM (D-), the matching impedance is 2014-09-20T19:25:06 < emeb_mac> bad bootloaders don't start the HFE 2014-09-20T19:25:06 < englishman> already included in the embedded driver. 2014-09-20T19:25:08 < englishman> so its not that 2014-09-20T19:25:26 < englishman> my hfe isnt 8MHz, would that dick with it? 2014-09-20T19:25:51 < emeb_mac> what freq? needs to be integer MHz 2014-09-20T19:26:10 < englishman> 12 2014-09-20T19:26:15 < emeb_mac> should be OK 2014-09-20T19:33:23 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-20T19:33:50 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T19:45:00 < englishman> The external clock can be used for all 2014-09-20T19:45:01 < englishman> bootloader interfaces and should have one 2014-09-20T19:45:03 < englishman> the following values 24, 18,16, 12, 9, 8, 6, 2014-09-20T19:45:05 < englishman> 4, 3 MHz. 2014-09-20T19:45:07 < englishman> so im good there too 2014-09-20T19:46:04 < englishman> scope confirms xtal is started 2014-09-20T19:50:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.78.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-20T19:56:54 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T20:08:15 -!- rewolff1 [~wolff@cust-95-128-94-82.breedbanddelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-20T20:11:22 -!- rewolff1 [~wolff@cust-95-128-94-82.breedbanddelft.nl] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T20:14:32 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-20T20:20:09 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T20:21:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-20T20:56:41 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gwbepevqqqiarrve] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-20T21:06:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.129] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T21:18:33 -!- theremin [~amir@xhammad.ynet.sk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T21:35:38 < Tectu> bloggin 2014-09-20T21:37:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.129] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-20T21:45:22 < lanteau> Any good way to debug a corrupt stack? Not even sure if I have a stack problem, but things are acting weird and and I get Backtrace stopped: previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) in GDB 2014-09-20T21:46:46 < zyp> that sounds like a corrupt stack alright 2014-09-20T21:47:56 < lanteau> Im having an issue where my DMA transfer complete interrupt is running twice in an interval I think it should only run once, and I wonder if this could be related 2014-09-20T21:48:38 < zyp> doesn't sound related 2014-09-20T21:49:27 < zyp> you give a fixed size buffer when you schedule a dma transfer, so it's kinda hard to have it overflow into your stack 2014-09-20T21:49:45 < zyp> stack corruption is normally caused by buffer overflows 2014-09-20T21:50:04 < zyp> anyway, about that dma issue 2014-09-20T21:50:07 < lanteau> But is it possible that the stack corruption could cause the DMA ISR to execute even without an interrupt? 2014-09-20T21:50:12 < zyp> you say you get two transfer completes? 2014-09-20T21:50:40 < zyp> are you running dma in circular mode or do you manually schedule a new transfer after the first interrupt? 2014-09-20T21:50:51 < lanteau> basically yeah, I schedule one transfer, and the ISR runs twice before the next transfer is started 2014-09-20T21:51:01 < lanteau> manually schedule 2014-09-20T21:51:29 < zyp> wait, you're being unclear 2014-09-20T21:51:49 < zyp> you do not start/schedule a new transfer between the two interrupts? 2014-09-20T21:52:08 < zyp> and you're not running in circular mode? 2014-09-20T21:52:36 < zyp> if so, I'd suspect you've turned on the half transfer interrupt, and misinterpreting that as an extra transfer compete 2014-09-20T21:52:48 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-20T21:54:36 < lanteau> using DMA_IT_TC with DMA_ITConfig 2014-09-20T21:59:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.129] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T21:59:27 < lanteau> But I guess I'm mostly concerned with figuring out the stack corruption first, since that is hindering my debug efforts. Is there any techniques for finding where that is occurring? 2014-09-20T22:03:08 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T22:06:33 < zyp> how familiar are you with assembly code and stack layout? 2014-09-20T22:08:21 -!- You're now known as jpa- 2014-09-20T22:08:59 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T22:11:00 < Tectu> jpa-_ is now known as jpa- 2014-09-20T22:14:32 < zyp> important to have the right combination of dashes and underscores 2014-09-20T22:15:38 < GargantuaSauce> jpa-___ -__- -_ 2014-09-20T22:19:07 < lanteau> zyp: DMA_Cmd(CC3000_SPI_TX_DMA_STREAM, DISABLE); is what is triggering the first interrupt 2014-09-20T22:19:31 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T22:21:47 < lanteau> zyp, I'm not super familiar with ARM assembly and stack layout. I did pick up Joseph Yiu's book the M4 and M3 the other day, so I can probably figure a lot of stuff out 2014-09-20T22:22:10 < zyp> okay 2014-09-20T22:22:40 < zyp> do you get an actual crash or do you just suspect stack corruption from weird gdb behavior? 2014-09-20T22:22:47 < lanteau> It's in that "phantom" interrupt triggered by the DMA_CMD DISABLE where I see that messed up backtrace 2014-09-20T22:23:10 < zyp> oh, okay 2014-09-20T22:23:20 < jpa-> messed up backtrace inside interrupts can be just gdb confused 2014-09-20T22:23:26 < zyp> in that case it's probably just gdb misinterpreting the ISR stack frame 2014-09-20T22:23:30 < jpa-> does backtrace work inside other interrupts? 2014-09-20T22:23:53 < lanteau> well that's the weird part, the first time it enters that ISR (which I am confused why it enters the ISR) the backtrace is messed up 2014-09-20T22:24:04 < lanteau> the second time it enters the ISR (the real interrupt in my opinion) the backtrace looks good 2014-09-20T22:24:30 < zyp> are you sure you're in that ISR at all then? 2014-09-20T22:24:34 < jpa-> unlikely that the stack would magically get fixed up 2014-09-20T22:24:46 < zyp> check ipsr 2014-09-20T22:24:50 < jpa-> but check "info registers" for PSR to see which interrupt you are in 2014-09-20T22:24:51 < lanteau> I agree jpa-, leading me to believe that the stack corruption isn't real I suppose 2014-09-20T22:24:53 < zyp> (that's the lowest byte of xpsr) 2014-09-20T22:25:13 < jpa-> (also add or subtract 6 depending on the phase of the moon) 2014-09-20T22:25:23 < jpa-> (or was it 16?) 2014-09-20T22:25:28 < zyp> huh? 2014-09-20T22:25:45 < zyp> depends how you're counting exceptions vs interrupts 2014-09-20T22:25:52 < lanteau> lowest byte of xPSR is 1f 2014-09-20T22:25:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-20T22:25:54 < jpa-> yeah 2014-09-20T22:26:02 < zyp> that's ISR 31 2014-09-20T22:26:04 < jpa-> lanteau: is it 1f in the other interrupt also? 2014-09-20T22:26:21 < lanteau> yep 1f in both 2014-09-20T22:26:30 < jpa-> so same interrupt indeed 2014-09-20T22:26:49 < zyp> are you sure you're actually leaving and reentering the ISR? 2014-09-20T22:26:51 < jpa-> did you check the states of the TCIF, HTIF and error flag already? 2014-09-20T22:26:53 < lanteau> that seems to go along with I'm seeing, one of my variables is getting incremented incorrectly because of it entering the ISR twice 2014-09-20T22:27:18 < zyp> are you sure you're just not forgetting to clear the interrupt? 2014-09-20T22:27:43 < lanteau> well the first time it enters the ISR is after the DMA_Cmd DISABLE...why would that happen? 2014-09-20T22:28:29 < jpa-> lanteau: because one of the status flags is set.. so which one? 2014-09-20T22:29:20 < lanteau> Okay how do I check? is that one of the DMA registers? 2014-09-20T22:29:25 < jpa-> yes 2014-09-20T22:29:59 < jpa-> "dma interrupt status register" 2014-09-20T22:30:28 < lanteau> DMA_HISR it looks like is the one to look at 2014-09-20T22:34:04 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-20T22:34:05 < lanteau> okay excuse my noobness, what's the easiest way to check that from GDB? 2014-09-20T22:34:36 < jpa-> p /x DMA1->HISR or something 2014-09-20T22:35:15 < jpa-> if the symbol isn't in scope, you have to figure out the address from reference manual and use x /1xw 0x400... 2014-09-20T22:36:08 < lanteau> p/x *0x40026000 like that? 2014-09-20T22:36:54 < zyp> x/wx 0x40026000 2014-09-20T22:37:03 < jpa-> *(uint32_t*)0x400.. or just x instead of p 2014-09-20T22:37:15 < zyp> p is print, x is examine, by the way 2014-09-20T22:37:37 < lanteau> so 0x40026000 should be DMA1 base 2014-09-20T22:37:42 < jpa-> p takes C expression, x takes memory address 2014-09-20T22:37:43 < zyp> you print values (from expressions) and examine memory addrs 2014-09-20T22:38:02 < lanteau> manual says Address offset: 0x04 for that register, so do I want 0x40026004? 2014-09-20T22:38:07 < jpa-> you are getting to know everything twice tonight :) 2014-09-20T22:38:13 < jpa-> lanteau: yes 2014-09-20T22:38:15 < PaulFertser> To have DMA1 in scope you need -g3 (or -ggdb3) in cflags to allow gdb to expand macros. 2014-09-20T22:38:15 < zyp> I should stop competing with jpa- :p 2014-09-20T22:38:42 < jpa-> PaulFertser: and to have the file included, which someone using stdperiph might not have 2014-09-20T22:38:58 < lanteau> So 0x20, that tells me TCIF4 is set 2014-09-20T22:39:02 < lanteau> Transfer complete, stream 4 2014-09-20T22:39:28 < jpa-> lanteau: do you clear it after your interrupt? 2014-09-20T22:39:31 < PaulFertser> jpa-: how would his code compile without including the macro? I'm not sure I'm following. My stdperiph projects work... 2014-09-20T22:40:00 < zyp> PaulFertser, by having the macro included in the translation unit implementing the function he has on top of it 2014-09-20T22:40:09 < jpa-> PaulFertser: hmm, i thought stdperiph has stm32_spi.h etc. and you don't need the main stm32fxxx.h included directly? though i've never used it 2014-09-20T22:40:30 < zyp> me neither 2014-09-20T22:40:34 < GargantuaSauce> i believe the device headers are included by the stdperiph headers 2014-09-20T22:40:42 < lanteau> I have stm32f4xxx.h included, I probably don't have -ggdb3 or something 2014-09-20T22:41:08 < lanteau> jpa- my ISR does clear it...but this is the first time the ISR is entered, so that's probably not the problem 2014-09-20T22:41:19 < GargantuaSauce> i imagine all bets are off for people using stm32timecube though 2014-09-20T22:41:19 < PaulFertser> zyp: I see the point now, I didn't think macros are scoped that way, but you're probably right. 2014-09-20T22:41:56 < jpa-> lanteau: hmm.. maybe it is already set before you enable DMA for some reason? 2014-09-20T22:42:47 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, macros are scoped by gdb to the file including them 2014-09-20T22:43:42 < zyp> uh, that's a bad way of putting it 2014-09-20T22:44:36 < jpa-> sorry :) 2014-09-20T22:44:37 < zyp> macros are scoped to the entire translation unit after it has been defined 2014-09-20T22:44:56 < zyp> until it's undefined, if that's the case 2014-09-20T22:45:26 < zyp> the preprocessor is pretty dumb, it doesn't know anything about scoping in the C sense 2014-09-20T22:45:28 < jpa-> in C yeah, but gdb could very well act different if it wanted to 2014-09-20T22:45:36 < lanteau> It just seems like TCIF4 is getting randomly set, not sure how to figure out why it's getting set 2014-09-20T22:45:54 < jpa-> lanteau: is it getting set when you don't have the channel enabled? 2014-09-20T22:46:26 < zyp> jpa-, still depends on the translation units 2014-09-20T22:47:02 < jpa-> zyp: hmm yeah, i haven't studied how the scope information is stored in the elf debug symbols 2014-09-20T22:47:19 < zyp> me neither, so I guess it's pointless for us to debate this :) 2014-09-20T22:47:20 < lanteau> DMAy_Streamx->CR &= ~(uint32_t)DMA_SxCR_EN 2014-09-20T22:47:24 < lanteau> this is making it get set 2014-09-20T22:47:29 < jpa-> zyp: :) 2014-09-20T22:47:29 < lanteau> that's in the StdPeriph library 2014-09-20T22:48:56 < jpa-> lanteau: was the channel enabled before that line? 2014-09-20T22:49:24 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-20T22:49:27 < jpa-> if you look at reference manual "DMA transfer suspension", stopping a running DMA transfer by clearing EN bit will cause TCIF to be set once the stop is done 2014-09-20T22:50:59 < lanteau> Yes it was enabled in my DMA_Init function, it enables it with a 0 dataLen 2014-09-20T22:51:05 < jpa-> why? 2014-09-20T22:51:37 < lanteau> Good question, this is an OSS project I'm porting from the STM32F1, this wouldn't be the first time I've ran into something they needed to do on the F1 that is wrong on the F4 2014-09-20T22:52:02 < lanteau> There is probably no reason to enable them in the Init function is there? 2014-09-20T22:52:09 < zyp> the DMA peripheral on F4 is completely different 2014-09-20T22:52:16 < jpa-> not that i know of, on any STM32 2014-09-20T22:52:29 < zyp> and I agree with jpa- too 2014-09-20T22:52:40 < lanteau> hmm. As far as the procedure to use the DMA with SPI on the F4, the StdPeriph code seems nearly identical to me 2014-09-20T22:52:45 < jpa-> completely different yeah, but fortunately porting F1 -> F4 is quite simple 2014-09-20T22:52:58 < zyp> I haven't had to do any weird tricks when using dma on any stm32 2014-09-20T22:53:15 < jpa-> i have, but only due to documented erratas 2014-09-20T22:54:24 < lanteau> should I not even do the initialization with the DMA_InitStructures until I'm ready for a transfer? 2014-09-20T22:54:53 < jpa-> usually no 2014-09-20T22:57:18 < lanteau> because then you have to reconfigure it with your buffer and data length when you actually ARE ready to transfer 2014-09-20T22:57:24 < lanteau> it's basically configuring it twice... 2014-09-20T23:00:48 < lanteau> Commenting out their "double configuring and enabling" and only configuring and enabling when ready to send...it appears to be working now 2014-09-20T23:05:14 < lanteau> I appreciate the help guys 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yeah also likely a scope artifact 2014-09-21T02:51:39 < qyx_> i'll see what does changing of OSPEED do 2014-09-21T02:52:32 < GargantuaSauce> use the scope probe's attenuation if it has it also 2014-09-21T02:59:15 < qyx_> ok, fixed, bad gnd connection on one probe 2014-09-21T02:59:40 < qyx_> but there are still errors 2014-09-21T03:10:06 * Laurenceb_ is watching 2014-09-21T03:10:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/sightseers/ 2014-09-21T03:10:28 < englishman> which document shows me how TIMs are connected to periph clocks? 2014-09-21T03:10:37 < zyp> RM 2014-09-21T03:10:42 < zyp> clock chapter 2014-09-21T03:12:03 < englishman> RCC chapter? 2014-09-21T03:12:53 < englishman> so on f3 tim2 woudl run at 72MHz right 2014-09-21T03:13:07 < englishman> and if its running at 8MHz its a good sign that hse isnt working right 2014-09-21T03:16:16 < zyp> uh 2014-09-21T03:16:38 < zyp> what about checking RCC status bits instead of guessing what the current core clock is? 2014-09-21T03:17:07 < gxti> hse doesn't do 72mhz so i guess it tells you nothing about hse. 2014-09-21T03:17:54 < englishman> right but tim2 would 2014-09-21T03:18:17 < gxti> and why is that? 2014-09-21T03:18:25 < GargantuaSauce> there are like 2 or 3 dividers between the core clock and a timer periph 2014-09-21T03:18:47 < zyp> yeah, timers can run faster than the bus they are attached to 2014-09-21T03:19:12 < englishman> yeah... ahb=/1, ahb1=/2, then x2 for apb1 timer clock 2014-09-21T03:19:56 < englishman> i get PLLON and HSEON asserted 2014-09-21T03:19:57 < GargantuaSauce> anyway if you want to peek right at the core clock you should enable MCO 2014-09-21T03:20:17 < GargantuaSauce> instead of increasing the number of unknowns by dicking with a timer 2014-09-21T03:20:47 < englishman> ooh handy 2014-09-21T03:21:42 < GargantuaSauce> i should have taken a screencap of my f103 putting out 144mhz on that pin 2014-09-21T03:21:47 < GargantuaSauce> was only doing like .3V peak to peak 2014-09-21T03:24:01 < englishman> MCO is 8MHz :) 2014-09-21T03:24:05 < englishman> well 2014-09-21T03:24:07 < englishman> :( 2014-09-21T03:24:12 < englishman> i guess that explains my usb issues 2014-09-21T03:25:52 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-185-240-53.range86-185.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-21T03:31:23 < aadamson> englishman, do you have ST's excel file for clock setup? 2014-09-21T03:31:43 < aadamson> it also creates the system_.c file, but at least you should see how it set the register flags, etc for whatever you are trying to do 2014-09-21T03:32:22 < aadamson> englishman, looks like AN4152 is the one for the f30x 2014-09-21T03:32:28 < aadamson> and the version I have is 1.0.0 2014-09-21T03:32:30 < englishman> i'm using timecube 2014-09-21T03:32:37 < aadamson> that's even scariery 2014-09-21T03:32:42 < aadamson> scarier 2014-09-21T03:33:29 < englishman> cool tho 2014-09-21T03:33:34 < englishman> and worked well for all the other stuff 2014-09-21T03:34:11 < aadamson> I pretty much only use it to do pin/function selection 2014-09-21T03:34:20 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/GRQWSKr.jpg 2014-09-21T03:34:23 < aadamson> I'd still much rather use stdperiph for everything else 2014-09-21T03:34:43 < aadamson> yeah, thats what the spreadsheet looks like 2014-09-21T03:34:43 < emeb_mac> englishman: still no luck with USB DFU bootloader? 2014-09-21T03:34:53 < aadamson> oh, I got that working on the f3 2014-09-21T03:34:58 < aadamson> just never did anything with it 2014-09-21T03:35:22 < englishman> emeb_mac: heh i'm sure this is related 2014-09-21T03:35:30 < englishman> btw googling stuff came up with your website and notes on 373 2014-09-21T03:35:36 < emeb_mac> heh 2014-09-21T03:35:49 < emeb_mac> zyp, dongs and I worked that out here on the chl 2014-09-21T03:36:19 < zyp> :) 2014-09-21T03:37:18 < qyx_> damned radio modules 2014-09-21T03:38:02 < qyx_> they just stopped working one day 2014-09-21T03:38:03 < qyx_> all 2014-09-21T03:38:08 < qyx_> three different designs 2014-09-21T03:38:16 < GargantuaSauce> interference? 2014-09-21T03:38:21 < qyx_> 2 independent code bases 2014-09-21T03:38:32 < qyx_> though so 2014-09-21T03:38:57 < qyx_> i need to make some attenuator and connect tx and rx directly 2014-09-21T03:39:30 < GargantuaSauce> or just stick em in a breadbox or something 2014-09-21T03:39:49 < qyx_> hm, not a bad idea 2014-09-21T03:40:50 < GargantuaSauce> well assuming you can find one larger than the wavelength 2014-09-21T03:41:25 < emeb_mac> back when I worked at Intersil on WiFi chipsets we had a shield box for testing radios - giant Hammond box with bulkhead connectors for external hookups and an RF gasket. 2014-09-21T03:43:28 < qyx_> ok, wrapping in alu foild doesn't help 2014-09-21T03:43:56 < qyx_> [2000-01-01T00:20:03Z] DEBUG: golay_decode: corrected 2 bit errors in 7 byte packet 2014-09-21T03:45:15 < qyx_> apparently doesn't work well 2014-09-21T03:47:43 < emeb_mac> 2 bits out of 56 isn't great 2014-09-21T03:48:48 < emeb_mac> 4e-2 BER uncoded. blech 2014-09-21T03:49:07 < qyx_> actually out of 14 2014-09-21T03:49:17 < qyx_> 7B length is decoded 2014-09-21T03:50:08 < englishman> hmm, MCO output of SYSCLK is just a 3.3V dc 2014-09-21T03:50:17 < emeb_mac> what radio? 2014-09-21T03:50:24 < englishman> hse works, pllckl/2 works... 2014-09-21T03:50:32 < qyx_> hoperf rfm69w 2014-09-21T03:51:07 < englishman> oh cool i have some of those 2014-09-21T03:54:40 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-21T03:55:08 < BrainDamage> qyx_: a bag full of water is an excellent attenuator 2014-09-21T03:55:20 < BrainDamage> add a pinch of salt if you want more attenuation 2014-09-21T03:55:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-21T04:13:24 < emeb_mac> fsk + ook 2014-09-21T04:13:36 < emeb_mac> wonder how close to theory those work 2014-09-21T04:14:42 < emeb_mac> I did an FPGA implementation of the CMX469 FSK/MSK modem chip a while back 2014-09-21T04:14:51 < emeb_mac> got pretty close to theory on that 2014-09-21T04:21:06 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-esjkochkigtpdxin] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-21T04:25:36 < qyx_> they are pretty close to fail 2014-09-21T04:25:43 < qyx_> or i am doing something totally wrong 2014-09-21T04:35:12 < englishman> this is that semtech right 2014-09-21T04:35:18 < englishman> i think i got it tx/rxing 2014-09-21T04:40:59 < qyx_> yes it is 2014-09-21T04:41:23 < qyx_> me too, but that doesn't mean it works as i expect 2014-09-21T04:42:40 < qyx_> another problem is that it isn't able to receive packets longer than fifo size despite the fact it should be supported and it is documented 2014-09-21T04:42:57 < qyx_> or i am doing it wrong again 2014-09-21T04:44:28 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-21T04:56:24 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined 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2014-09-21T07:59:04 < dongs> R2COM1: no 2014-09-21T08:03:16 < emeb_mac> donnnnnnnnnnnngssssssssss 2014-09-21T08:05:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/NnXun46.jpg 2014-09-21T08:05:20 < dongs> not sure whats going on here 2014-09-21T08:11:12 < emeb_mac> context is important 2014-09-21T08:11:46 < emeb_mac> but in the long run one probably is better off not knowing 2014-09-21T08:25:32 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-21T08:32:59 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-21T08:36:47 < dongs> oh wtf 2014-09-21T08:36:51 < dongs> that package wasnt qfP? 2014-09-21T08:37:01 < dongs> the center one 2014-09-21T08:37:17 < dongs> thats weird 2014-09-21T08:38:29 < dongs> nice 2014-09-21T08:39:19 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkCh7uOw1Y 2014-09-21T08:39:31 < GargantuaSauce> was just gonna link that 2014-09-21T08:39:35 < GargantuaSauce> launch in 40 mins or so 2014-09-21T08:40:01 < dongs> 14 mins 2014-09-21T08:40:20 < GargantuaSauce> oh they moved it up 2014-09-21T08:41:20 < dongs> 12 2014-09-21T08:42:28 < dongs> its always exciting when it explodes 2014-09-21T08:43:04 < dongs> they might 2014-09-21T08:44:10 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ae97b.pool.mediaways.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-21T08:46:19 < englishman> is this carrying arduinosat 2014-09-21T08:49:21 < dongs> hoepfully 2014-09-21T08:52:14 < dongs> 50 seconds? 2014-09-21T08:52:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.54] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-21T08:53:51 < englishman> someone wipe off that gobro 2014-09-21T08:55:17 < dongs> 19km already? 2014-09-21T08:55:22 < dongs> or 90 2014-09-21T08:55:34 < dongs> they should show some telemetry 2014-09-21T08:55:39 < dongs> 61? 2014-09-21T08:55:40 < dongs> already 2014-09-21T08:56:17 < englishman> i got better info overlay on my 200mm quadcopter 2014-09-21T08:56:30 < dongs> yea 2014-09-21T08:56:57 < GargantuaSauce> i imagine they have some pretty sweet telemetry displays 2014-09-21T08:57:01 < GargantuaSauce> they just dont show them to us :( 2014-09-21T09:07:53 < emeb_mac> crazy video of the interior of the propellant tank 2014-09-21T09:07:58 < GargantuaSauce> ya that is amazing 2014-09-21T09:08:31 < emeb_mac> engine quits and it started floating around 2014-09-21T09:09:35 < emeb_mac> wish they would have had a camera on the separation of dragon from stage 2 2014-09-21T09:09:58 < GargantuaSauce> yeah they probably do, just didnt push it to the stream 2014-09-21T09:10:04 < GargantuaSauce> really wish we could see all the feeds at once 2014-09-21T09:13:23 < dongs> what happen 2014-09-21T09:13:25 < dongs> why is video unlisted now 2014-09-21T09:13:53 < emeb_mac> wasn't there some iranian rocket launch video recently where they had multiple launches that were just 'shooped from one or two real ones? 2014-09-21T09:14:02 < GargantuaSauce> probably because they're gonna cut it up and post a fancier version dongs 2014-09-21T09:14:36 < englishman> GargantuaSauce: could you link me to your hex stompy vid again plz 2014-09-21T09:14:46 < GargantuaSauce> lol 2014-09-21T09:14:56 < GargantuaSauce> why do you want to see my shitty robot 2014-09-21T09:15:05 < englishman> hex chats in another chan 2014-09-21T09:15:08 < englishman> and i like the noise 2014-09-21T09:15:11 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXvZWTZWN8A&list=UUdows935Gli84K_jOepVjnA 2014-09-21T09:16:01 < englishman> ahh the epilepsy lol 2014-09-21T09:16:21 < GargantuaSauce> ya i need servos that dont suck 2014-09-21T09:16:44 < GargantuaSauce> not gonna bother with any more RC-style ones though 2014-09-21T09:16:48 < emeb_mac> GargantuaSauce: cardboard down in case it shits itself? 2014-09-21T09:17:01 < GargantuaSauce> cardboard down because the feet are bolts 2014-09-21T09:17:14 < emeb_mac> get some rubber feet! 2014-09-21T09:17:17 < GargantuaSauce> and it will tear up the floor and piss off downstairs neighbours (video shot at 2 am or so) 2014-09-21T09:17:37 < GargantuaSauce> i want to do autonomous navigation eventually 2014-09-21T09:17:43 < GargantuaSauce> SLAM 2014-09-21T09:17:43 < GargantuaSauce> etc 2014-09-21T09:18:19 < GargantuaSauce> it's spazzing out because the legs have too much inertia for the hip servos' control loops to be stable 2014-09-21T09:18:28 < GargantuaSauce> if i could tweak PD params it'd be fine 2014-09-21T09:18:38 < emeb_mac> moar damping 2014-09-21T09:18:45 < emeb_mac> reduce I, increase P 2014-09-21T09:19:13 < GargantuaSauce> controlled by me, you can see the software in the next vid 2014-09-21T09:19:43 < GargantuaSauce> fucking aroudn 2014-09-21T09:19:46 < emeb_mac> spending money 2014-09-21T09:20:00 < GargantuaSauce> no if that were the purpose i could have done so much more effectively 2014-09-21T09:20:02 < GargantuaSauce> yes f4 2014-09-21T09:21:13 < GargantuaSauce> it's using shift registers as serial-parallel converters 2014-09-21T09:21:29 < GargantuaSauce> works pretty well 2014-09-21T09:21:47 < emeb_mac> PWMing the shift reg outputs? 2014-09-21T09:21:47 < GargantuaSauce> correct 2014-09-21T09:22:01 < GargantuaSauce> no i do something much more fucked up than that 2014-09-21T09:22:22 < GargantuaSauce> yeah all the channels at once 2014-09-21T09:22:26 < GargantuaSauce> no i use the spi 2014-09-21T09:22:50 < GargantuaSauce> at like 20mhz or something so pushing out new values is pretty quick 2014-09-21T09:22:58 < GargantuaSauce> so temporal resolution doesnt suffer too bad 2014-09-21T09:23:10 < GargantuaSauce> because i fucking hate fpga toolchains 2014-09-21T09:24:28 < GargantuaSauce> i know they are awesome tools 2014-09-21T09:24:35 < GargantuaSauce> i really need to bite the bullet and start using them 2014-09-21T09:25:26 < GargantuaSauce> because the servos are shitty 2014-09-21T09:25:51 < GargantuaSauce> HJ S3315D 2014-09-21T09:26:11 < GargantuaSauce> http://workman-industries.net/?p=70 blogged a bit on it here 2014-09-21T09:26:12 < GargantuaSauce> yes 2014-09-21T09:26:53 < GargantuaSauce> well they are fundamentally limited by a few things 2014-09-21T09:27:01 < GargantuaSauce> the big one is no position or torque feedback 2014-09-21T09:27:31 < GargantuaSauce> i would like robotis servos but they are so fucking expensive 2014-09-21T09:27:40 < GargantuaSauce> also most have less torque than the ones i am using 2014-09-21T09:28:05 < GargantuaSauce> ya it's the company 2014-09-21T09:28:15 < GargantuaSauce> yes and even more expensive ones 2014-09-21T09:28:28 < GargantuaSauce> i dont wanna spend 3 grand on this 2014-09-21T09:28:39 < GargantuaSauce> i am going to make my own servo electronics eventually 2014-09-21T09:29:04 < GargantuaSauce> nah i'll use the electromechanical assembly of the current ones 2014-09-21T09:29:19 < GargantuaSauce> yes 2014-09-21T09:29:26 < GargantuaSauce> might swap out the pots for encoders but i dunno 2014-09-21T09:29:31 < GargantuaSauce> ya 2014-09-21T09:30:03 < GargantuaSauce> not necessarily 2014-09-21T09:30:42 < GargantuaSauce> i'll either use the potentiometer that's sitting in there already, or replace it if i can find decent encoders in the same form factor 2014-09-21T09:30:52 < GargantuaSauce> or wedge something else in there onto the same shaft 2014-09-21T09:32:08 < GargantuaSauce> the internal electronics do provide closed loop control 2014-09-21T09:32:10 < GargantuaSauce> but it stops there 2014-09-21T09:32:19 < GargantuaSauce> all you give them is a shitty pwm signal for position 2014-09-21T09:32:27 < GargantuaSauce> correct 2014-09-21T09:33:56 < GargantuaSauce> and no way to tune their control parameters 2014-09-21T09:34:17 < GargantuaSauce> i cant tell 2014-09-21T09:34:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-21T09:34:45 < GargantuaSauce> the ic is blank 2014-09-21T09:35:23 < GargantuaSauce> i know i could pore through a hundred datasheets to compare pinouts but fuck that 2014-09-21T09:35:27 < GargantuaSauce> no it's probably a pic or something 2014-09-21T09:36:43 < GargantuaSauce> around that if it provided the same torque as these ones 2014-09-21T09:36:58 < GargantuaSauce> the $50 dynamixels have about a third as much power 2014-09-21T09:37:20 < GargantuaSauce> something along those lines 2014-09-21T09:39:01 < GargantuaSauce> gonna use the f030f4 i think 2014-09-21T09:40:30 < GargantuaSauce> got a couple other features in mind, torque, speed, acceleration limits, etc 2014-09-21T09:41:17 < GargantuaSauce> definitely don't think i can get the board small enough to fit inside the servo housing but thats ok it can sit on top 2014-09-21T09:41:52 < GargantuaSauce> might do 2 servos per mcu/board 2014-09-21T09:43:51 < GargantuaSauce> the boards that came in them are stupidly small, no way i can replicate that with my expanded featureset 2014-09-21T09:51:44 < GargantuaSauce> http://i.imgur.com/PCC7s5k.jpg found a pic 2014-09-21T09:51:50 < GargantuaSauce> not even sure what package that is 2014-09-21T09:51:57 < GargantuaSauce> too wide for soic i think? 2014-09-21T09:54:05 < GargantuaSauce> http://xn--d-bga.su/deadservo.jpg and there's what happened to the pfet when i sent it a pulse that was way too short and it drove into the endstop pulling 5A 2014-09-21T09:54:30 < GargantuaSauce> no sorry that was 5A from the high side of the buck converter. more like 10A then 2014-09-21T09:57:06 < GargantuaSauce> so you can see why i wanna replace these 2014-09-21T10:17:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-21T10:36:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-21T10:45:15 < upgrdman> any of you know much about inductor core materials? 2014-09-21T10:45:41 < upgrdman> im tempted to buy some toroids for random electronics projects. most likely to be used in SMPS and other high-ish power apps. i know that i would want a core material that doesn't saturate easily. i also know my frequency is likely to be in the 10-300kHz range. are freq and saturation the primary factors when choosing a core material? 2014-09-21T10:46:19 < upgrdman> i plan to hand wind these toroids, so im just going to be buying the bare toroids. for a given core material, bigger will mean it can hold more energy, but how i do pick a core material? i see colors listed, but not much else. red, green, black, unpainted, etc. 2014-09-21T10:47:48 < GargantuaSauce> i would just scrounge them 2014-09-21T10:48:19 < GargantuaSauce> got a dozen off a dell workstation mobo 2014-09-21T10:48:59 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce: i do that too. but im looking for some big toroids (>30mm diameter) 2014-09-21T10:49:25 < GargantuaSauce> ah. power supplies then! 2014-09-21T10:49:33 < GargantuaSauce> they seem to be stupidly expensive on their own, dunno why 2014-09-21T10:49:42 < upgrdman> R2COM: i just often find myself doing random projects, and it would be easier for my to custom wind shit as needed for one-off pet projects, than to stock an assortment of values 2014-09-21T10:50:28 < upgrdman> and its not liking im hand winding 1000 turns... more like 5 - 20. 2014-09-21T10:50:38 < dongs> uh wat 2014-09-21T10:50:47 < upgrdman> ? 2014-09-21T10:50:50 < dongs> lol @ hand winding shit 2014-09-21T10:51:12 < upgrdman> remember that 100W boost converter for my LED? 2014-09-21T10:51:13 < dongs> < GargantuaSauce> not even sure what package that is 2014-09-21T10:51:17 < upgrdman> that used a hand wound toroid 2014-09-21T10:51:18 < dongs> looks like tssop 10 2014-09-21T10:51:22 < dongs> or msop10 etc 2014-09-21T10:51:26 < upgrdman> took maybe 5 mins in all 2014-09-21T10:51:28 < dongs> .65mm pitch shit 2014-09-21T10:52:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-21T11:08:38 -!- phantom [destroy@a89-154-119-158.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-21T11:09:02 -!- phantom is now known as Guest70117 2014-09-21T11:11:00 -!- Guest38509 [destroy@a89-154-119-158.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 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excluded SPI and fifo loading/unloading problems 2014-09-22T03:24:35 < zyp> sounds like progress 2014-09-22T03:24:55 < qyx_> meh 2014-09-22T03:24:55 < GargantuaSauce> what power/modulation/frequency? 2014-09-22T03:25:33 < qyx_> 0dBm output, gmsk, bt=0.5, 50kbit/s 2014-09-22T03:26:14 < qyx_> i got 950m line of sight with the same configuration 2014-09-22T03:26:35 < qyx_> 433MHz ism 2014-09-22T03:26:45 < zyp> have you checked the reference clock? 2014-09-22T03:27:02 < qyx_> they are totally off, i had to adjust them 2014-09-22T03:27:02 < GargantuaSauce> is it possible the received signal is actually too strong? 2014-09-22T03:27:11 < qyx_> that 32MHz xtal has 31.78MHz 2014-09-22T03:27:21 < GargantuaSauce> seems unlikely at 1mW but eh could be anything at this point 2014-09-22T03:27:50 < qyx_> probably not, i tried almost all AGC/gain settings i could imagine 2014-09-22T03:27:56 < GargantuaSauce> hmm 2014-09-22T03:27:57 < zyp> uh, so you're certain the clocks on each end are synced? 2014-09-22T03:28:07 < GargantuaSauce> well there definitely is a lot of crap on 433Mhz 2014-09-22T03:28:16 < qyx_> yep, because if they are not, no packets are received at all 2014-09-22T03:28:35 < qyx_> they have to be within +-3kHz at 433MHz 2014-09-22T03:29:05 < zyp> I would expect there to be a sharp but gradual falloff as they go out of sync 2014-09-22T03:29:44 < zyp> so if you're borderline, that might be a cause 2014-09-22T03:30:11 < zyp> sounds unlikely if you have a bunch of nodes and all combinations behave in the same way 2014-09-22T03:31:17 < qyx_> i'all try tomorrow on different place 2014-09-22T03:31:37 < qyx_> there definitelly is lot of mess at 433, i can see it on dvb-t dongle 2014-09-22T03:38:31 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T03:44:02 < qyx_> omg it stopped now, all nodes are behaving correctly 2014-09-22T03:44:33 < qyx_> very occasional single bit errors 2014-09-22T03:47:41 < zyp> so the question is what the neighbors just turned off 2014-09-22T03:48:23 < GargantuaSauce> when i look at that band on my rtlsdr there is really high power stuff all over the place constantly 2014-09-22T03:48:36 < GargantuaSauce> like dsss or ofdm or something 2014-09-22T03:48:38 < GargantuaSauce> no idea what it is 2014-09-22T03:48:44 < qyx_> here the same 2014-09-22T03:49:46 < englishman> if rtlsdr likely usb noise 2014-09-22T03:50:40 < qyx_> http://i.imgur.com/ticIsZR.png 2014-09-22T03:50:46 < qyx_> it would be here on all freqs 2014-09-22T03:51:50 < zyp> my rtlsdr picks up some shit at 120MHz, which is probably one of the harmonics 2014-09-22T03:52:01 < zyp> from usb 2014-09-22T03:56:07 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [] 2014-09-22T03:59:02 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BYdZ_24yg0 2014-09-22T04:04:16 < GargantuaSauce> ooh i found something cool at 460 2014-09-22T04:04:21 < GargantuaSauce> i could dick around with this for hours 2014-09-22T04:04:22 < 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a shitty bell 202 software demodulator 2014-09-22T05:47:17 < dongs> wait what hte fuck 2014-09-22T05:47:19 < dongs> their pins say liek 5ms 2014-09-22T05:47:29 < dongs> my 500 meter wifi link gets ~40ms latency 2014-09-22T05:47:53 < GargantuaSauce> yeah something about that video is a bit fishy 2014-09-22T05:48:16 < GargantuaSauce> probably just editing continuity errors though 2014-09-22T05:48:40 < emeb_mac> doing an FSK demod is harder than it might seem 2014-09-22T05:48:51 < zyp> 40ms kinda sounds like a shitty wifi-link 2014-09-22T05:49:06 < GargantuaSauce> it's all over the place even when he's right next to the router 2014-09-22T05:49:09 < GargantuaSauce> hundreds of ms at times 2014-09-22T05:49:25 < emeb_mac> a lot of group delay in that air 2014-09-22T05:49:40 < emeb_mac> must be special "high index of refraction" air 2014-09-22T05:50:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9DTFyL2.jpg 2014-09-22T05:50:10 < dongs> impossible over 2.5km 2014-09-22T05:50:30 < dongs> i see 2ms in there 2014-09-22T05:52:27 < GargantuaSauce> also didnt bother to mention the directional antenna they used for the in-car testing 2014-09-22T05:53:28 < zyp> keep in mind that wifi signals travel with the speed of light, each km of range only adds a 3µs delay 2014-09-22T05:53:57 < zyp> so any significant latency is just shitty equipment on either side 2014-09-22T05:54:13 < GargantuaSauce> like perhaps a soc that costs pennies 2014-09-22T05:55:04 < zyp> well, I mean, unless I'm reading dongs wrong, he's claiming the latency isn't long enough 2014-09-22T05:55:22 < zyp> which is what I call bullshit on 2014-09-22T05:58:13 < zyp> also, I didn't have the patience to watch much of the video, so apologies if I'm missing some vital context 2014-09-22T05:58:57 < englishman> GargantuaSauce: they say dish a few times...? 2014-09-22T05:59:09 < GargantuaSauce> it's not even a dish antenna though 2014-09-22T05:59:24 < GargantuaSauce> there is some cargo culting going on and that shit bugs me 2014-09-22T05:59:30 < englishman> its shown in a few frames, it looks like one of those squarish dish 2014-09-22T06:00:06 < englishman> whats that? 2014-09-22T06:00:08 < englishman> its just nerds having fun 2014-09-22T06:00:48 < GargantuaSauce> yeah ok i see the curvature now 2014-09-22T06:01:03 < GargantuaSauce> but yeah you're right i just have a stick up my ass 2014-09-22T06:04:41 < emeb_mac> ouch 2014-09-22T06:04:53 < GargantuaSauce> figuratively speaking 2014-09-22T06:04:58 < emeb_mac> whew! 2014-09-22T06:07:31 < GargantuaSauce> as for the demodulation cant i just correlate and integrate 2014-09-22T06:08:21 < GargantuaSauce> i havent done much DSP but this seems simple enough unless i am missing something 2014-09-22T06:08:50 < emeb_mac> for the bell 202? 2014-09-22T06:08:53 < GargantuaSauce> yeah 2014-09-22T06:11:32 < emeb_mac> depends a lot on the signal environment you're dealing with 2014-09-22T06:12:01 < emeb_mac> if there's noise then you need matched filtering 2014-09-22T06:12:14 < GargantuaSauce> nah snr is very high 2014-09-22T06:12:17 < GargantuaSauce> see the wav above 2014-09-22T06:12:34 < emeb_mac> if there's timing error or frequency mismatch you need a way to acquire proper symbol and carrier 2014-09-22T06:15:23 < emeb_mac> aha. pretty clean 2014-09-22T06:17:01 < GargantuaSauce> yeah the only part that worries me is i'm not sure how CPFSK affects the demodulation process 2014-09-22T06:17:37 < GargantuaSauce> cause it doesnt look like there are band limited discontinuities 2014-09-22T06:18:28 < emeb_mac> interesting... 2014-09-22T06:18:39 < emeb_mac> there are actually two different types of modulation 2014-09-22T06:18:45 < GargantuaSauce> wait what 2014-09-22T06:18:46 < emeb_mac> each burst has two parts 2014-09-22T06:19:06 < emeb_mac> there's a low amplitude fsk portion, followed by something else 2014-09-22T06:19:30 < emeb_mac> (just pulled it up in a .wav viewer) 2014-09-22T06:19:35 < GargantuaSauce> do you mean the 900hz stop tone 2014-09-22T06:19:52 < emeb_mac> nope - something with a lot of entropy 2014-09-22T06:20:57 -!- SpaceCoaster_ [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T06:20:58 < emeb_mac> can't tell what the modulation is just by looking at it - might be some kind of direct PCM 2014-09-22T06:21:41 < GargantuaSauce> not sure what you're referring to at all...what time 2014-09-22T06:22:36 < emeb_mac> look at 1.33 - 1.45 2014-09-22T06:22:58 < GargantuaSauce> oh lol that's just noise before the squelch kicks in 2014-09-22T06:23:20 < emeb_mac> just a squelch tail then 2014-09-22T06:23:22 < emeb_mac> ok 2014-09-22T06:23:33 < GargantuaSauce> very high entropy indeed! 2014-09-22T06:23:56 < GargantuaSauce> yeah the carrier cuts out after the 900hz tone 2014-09-22T06:24:04 < emeb_mac> the cpfsk is pretty clean 2014-09-22T06:25:02 < emeb_mac> would be pretty easy to just measure zero crossing times 2014-09-22T06:25:17 < GargantuaSauce> oh yeah that would be even easier 2014-09-22T06:26:32 < emeb_mac> looks like it's got a pretty long preamble on it too - sync up to that. 2014-09-22T06:33:39 < emeb_mac> there's a good paper on how to do a general-purpose MSK demod here: http://datasheet.elcodis.com/pdf2/82/86/828656/msk_minimum_shift_keying.pdf 2014-09-22T06:33:59 < emeb_mac> I used that to implement one on an FPGA a few years back - worked pretty well 2014-09-22T06:35:07 < emeb_mac> would probably be overkill for this signal tho - it's designed to work with a very noisy signal 2014-09-22T06:36:44 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-22T06:38:05 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T06:38:17 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T06:38:46 < GargantuaSauce> cool, thanks 2014-09-22T06:40:34 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-22T06:47:05 -!- Viper168 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2014-09-22T06:52:47 < GargantuaSauce> it's that 2014-09-22T06:52:58 < englishman> cool, what program is that 2014-09-22T06:53:07 < englishman> i mean the one dongs has screenshot of 2014-09-22T06:53:33 < englishman> or is it screenshot of the earlier part of the signal 2014-09-22T06:54:44 < dongs> seems its alternating 1200 and 2200Hz 2014-09-22T06:54:52 < dongs> according to ghettofft 2014-09-22T06:55:19 < GargantuaSauce> Bell 202 AFSK uses a 1200 Hz tone for mark (typically a binary 1) and 2200 Hz for space (typically a binary 0). 2014-09-22T06:55:21 < emeb_mac> that's bell 202 for you 2014-09-22T06:55:44 < dongs> englishman: thats just a closed source windows .wav editor 2014-09-22T06:56:21 < englishman> carp i thought i had matlab installed 2014-09-22T06:56:55 < englishman> but its the earlier part of the signal right 2014-09-22T06:57:06 < GargantuaSauce> it's possibly NRZ coded on top too, i'll see when i get there 2014-09-22T06:57:11 < englishman> the later part looks like noise before squelch enables? 2014-09-22T06:59:05 < englishman> oh ,i should read back 2014-09-22T06:59:07 < englishman> il stfu now 2014-09-22T07:02:40 -!- Smd_ [Smd_@79.114.63.31] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T07:04:14 -!- DanteA [~X@host-57-159-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T07:05:01 < dongs> https://sites.google.com/site/wayneholder/attiny-4-5-9-10-assembly-ide-and-programmer/bell-202-1200-baud-demodulator-in-an-attiny10 2014-09-22T07:05:57 < GargantuaSauce> yeah saw that 2014-09-22T07:07:13 < emeb_mac> those two-filter demods work like crap 2014-09-22T07:11:16 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-248-250.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-22T07:12:31 < dongs> http://www.npc.co.jp/en/npc-info/2014/140411.html 2014-09-22T07:19:01 < dongs> http://www.npcamerica.com/pdf/SM8223.pdf nice 2014-09-22T07:20:27 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-40-249.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T07:23:33 -!- DanteA 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englishman> such innovation 2014-09-22T07:31:51 < emeb_mac> simple 2014-09-22T07:31:53 < englishman> windows xp in 2014 2014-09-22T07:31:56 < emeb_mac> wonder how well it works 2014-09-22T07:31:59 < dongs> thats 7 BRO 2014-09-22T07:32:09 < dongs> with xp theme 2014-09-22T07:32:15 < GargantuaSauce> i am more inclined to moan about the huge pdf screenshot 2014-09-22T07:32:18 < englishman> could be 98 2014-09-22T07:34:45 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-114-219.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T07:36:11 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-40-249.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-22T07:38:55 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T07:40:17 < dongs> http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/9V_Regulator_from_7805.pdf haha 2014-09-22T07:41:46 < englishman> heh, why not 2014-09-22T07:41:57 < dongs> because 7809??? 2014-09-22T07:42:11 < GargantuaSauce> OR USE A POT 2014-09-22T07:42:17 < englishman> maybe it didnt exist back in january 2013 2014-09-22T07:42:43 < GargantuaSauce> i think he used a pot. 2014-09-22T07:42:49 < dongs> hshs 2014-09-22T07:42:58 < dongs> stoner 2014-09-22T07:44:26 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: http://evil.gnarf.org/radio/aprs.php seen this too? 2014-09-22T07:44:46 < GargantuaSauce> fuck, no 2014-09-22T07:45:03 < dongs> "This is a receive-only software modem capable of demodulating the APRS service, and probably many other packet radio services based on AX.25 over Bell 202 over Narrow-band FM." 2014-09-22T07:45:08 < dongs> sounds like a lunix solution to your problem 2014-09-22T07:45:19 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T07:47:17 < GargantuaSauce> python2.6 hardcoded in the makefile 2014-09-22T07:47:22 < GargantuaSauce> wonder if that'll work with 2.7! 2014-09-22T07:50:05 < GargantuaSauce> i am not certain this thing is actually aprs / ax.25 2014-09-22T07:53:58 < GargantuaSauce> only takes signed input >:| 2014-09-22T07:54:07 < GargantuaSauce> er unsigned 2014-09-22T07:54:17 < GargantuaSauce> and rtl_fm signed bleh 2014-09-22T07:56:24 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-22T07:59:53 < GargantuaSauce> yeah so it's not ax.25 2014-09-22T08:01:23 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-154-110.a370.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T08:08:58 < dongs> wuat 2014-09-22T08:09:01 < dongs> sox, bro 2014-09-22T08:09:06 < GargantuaSauce> thats what i used 2014-09-22T08:09:11 < GargantuaSauce> i just didnt waaanaaa 2014-09-22T08:09:24 < GargantuaSauce> the unix philosophy can suck my balls 2014-09-22T08:10:06 < dongs> everything is a FAIL 2014-09-22T08:22:42 -!- SpaceCoaster_ [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-22T08:26:12 < dongs> haha o wow 2014-09-22T08:26:23 < dongs> some guy sent 16V to 3.3V rail on my failboard 2014-09-22T08:26:31 < dongs> there's explosion marks on STM32 and MPU6k 2014-09-22T08:26:37 < dongs> like at vcc pads 2014-09-22T08:27:28 < englishman> pix 2014-09-22T08:27:40 < dongs> just tossed it into the garbage 2014-09-22T08:28:19 < dongs> sec 2014-09-22T08:28:27 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T08:28:37 < GargantuaSauce> rc people never cease to amaze me 2014-09-22T08:28:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/O5zfm3v.jpg 2014-09-22T08:29:33 < GargantuaSauce> did he send it back expecting a refund 2014-09-22T08:30:00 < dongs> of course 2014-09-22T08:30:08 < englishman> aww. i wanted a crater 2014-09-22T08:47:52 -!- phantoneD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T08:51:23 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-22T08:51:36 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-22T08:54:23 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 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2014-09-22T09:49:19 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T09:53:56 -!- You're now known as jpa- 2014-09-22T09:57:38 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-22T10:00:28 < emeb_mac> internet of toilets 2014-09-22T10:01:57 < qyx_> dongs: your wifi is broken, we got ~10ms over 3 hops 15km 2014-09-22T10:02:02 < qyx_> on 5G, still in ETSI limits 2014-09-22T10:02:39 < qyx_> and it was like 8yrs ago using old mikrotik-s 2014-09-22T10:07:31 < dongs> thats what I got 2014-09-22T10:07:33 < dongs> some 5g microdick shit 2014-09-22T10:08:07 < dongs> < emeb_mac> internet of toilet cams 2014-09-22T10:08:11 < dongs> ^ ftfy, if japan 2014-09-22T10:08:30 < dongs> at least its cortex m4 2014-09-22T10:08:37 < emeb_mac> better than upskirt! 2014-09-22T10:08:59 < dongs> japan banned analog video transmission on any frequency due 2 t his 2014-09-22T10:09:14 < dongs> (if digital its ok) 2014-09-22T10:09:29 < emeb_mac> digital toilets only? 2014-09-22T10:10:12 < dongs> englishman: btw why the fuck would you want CC3200 when that china Enwahtever8222whatever is like $2 for chip 2014-09-22T10:10:23 < dongs> holy balls 2014-09-22T10:10:29 < englishman> cuz its cortex-m4 onboard? 2014-09-22T10:10:31 < dongs> TI shit is $17-$19 2014-09-22T10:10:32 < dongs> on digikey 2014-09-22T10:11:05 < englishman> digikey sux bro 2014-09-22T10:11:07 < englishman> do they even have stock 2014-09-22T10:11:13 < dongs> nope of cours not 2014-09-22T10:12:11 < englishman> ~$10 on taobao 2014-09-22T10:13:25 < englishman> also the IDE is in the shape of a cube 2014-09-22T10:19:23 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-22T10:33:35 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-22T10:34:05 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T10:42:51 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T10:44:12 < dongs> fucking altium is fucking me over 2014-09-22T10:44:24 < dongs> one board: 1mm fiducial wiht 1.4mm "no mask" border looks fine 2014-09-22T10:44:32 < dongs> another board, no mask is only like .1 mm around the 1mm copper 2014-09-22T10:44:33 < dongs> waht the FUCK 2014-09-22T10:44:39 < dongs> used same component from same libray 2014-09-22T10:50:59 < dongs> sdfsdfsdfsdfsdf 2014-09-22T10:55:11 < akaWolf> :) 2014-09-22T10:55:19 < akaWolf> dongs: it's a life, dongie 2014-09-22T10:55:34 < akaWolf> and proprietary SW 2014-09-22T10:55:44 < akaWolf> which you like so much 2014-09-22T10:55:58 < dongs> haha 2014-09-22T10:56:04 < dongs> not sure how thats evne relevant 2014-09-22T10:56:51 -!- Lt_Lemming [~SPutnix@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T10:57:01 < akaWolf> it's relevant. 2014-09-22T10:58:01 < dongs> ohhhhhhhhhh 2014-09-22T10:58:02 < dongs> TIL 2014-09-22T10:58:07 < akaWolf> when you find a bug in the OSS, you can fix it the same evening 2014-09-22T10:58:31 < akaWolf> when you find a bug in the proprietary SW, you 11:50:59 < dongs>| sdfsdfsdfsdfsdf 2014-09-22T11:00:56 < englishman> when you find a bug in OSS, you recompile kernel and waste 8000 hours fixing other people's problems 2014-09-22T11:02:14 < akaWolf> depends at your IQ.. :) 2014-09-22T11:02:47 < akaWolf> you have an possibility, at least 2014-09-22T11:02:55 < akaWolf> to fix 2014-09-22T11:05:49 < GargantuaSauce> depends on whether the build system is so cobbled together it takes hours to get it working on a fresh system 2014-09-22T11:19:35 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T11:23:11 < dongs> i can do negative paste mask on pads 2014-09-22T11:23:22 < dongs> to make the holes closed on paste layer 2014-09-22T11:35:51 < Claude> dongs , for your smt stencil that might be handy : http://www.edaboard.com/thread237150.html 2014-09-22T11:36:41 < Claude> or just tell the stencil guys to shrink the pads by x.y% :) 2014-09-22T11:38:23 < Claude> ah i mean the answer with camtastic 2014-09-22T11:39:40 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T11:45:16 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-22T11:47:13 -!- baird_ is now known as baird 2014-09-22T11:51:22 < dongs> ah, my stencil plcae does that stuff automatically as needed (actually no shrink is needed afaik, at least not for any small pitch stuff) 2014-09-22T11:51:46 < dongs> but I need to tell them to remove some pads 2014-09-22T11:51:50 < dongs> for shit like fiducials/testpoints 2014-09-22T11:51:54 < dongs> with negative paste mask, i can do it automatically 2014-09-22T11:53:55 < dongs> something is fucked about fiducial stuff tho 2014-09-22T11:54:01 < dongs> and i cant understand whats wrong 2014-09-22T11:54:01 < dongs> hmm 2014-09-22T11:57:02 -!- 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2014-09-22T12:32:06 < Claude> camtastic is crap imo 2014-09-22T12:32:43 < dongs> totalyl 2014-09-22T12:32:46 < dongs> cam350 2014-09-22T12:32:51 < Claude> free? 2014-09-22T12:32:52 < dongs> i could never figture out what the fuck camtasick does 2014-09-22T12:32:54 < dongs> so i just gave up 2014-09-22T12:33:00 < dongs> no i have some copy i stole from pcb factory 2014-09-22T12:33:04 < dongs> on a usb stick 2014-09-22T12:34:01 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-22T12:41:52 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T12:49:37 -!- alan5 [~quassel@80.84.55.122] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T12:50:45 < Laurenceb__> after you installed stuxnet? 2014-09-22T12:53:12 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T12:58:29 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-171-4-132.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-22T13:12:35 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2014-09-22T13:14:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-22T13:16:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T13:20:10 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-22T13:21:53 -!- alan5 [~quassel@80.84.55.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-22T14:25:31 -!- phantone [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-22T14:28:26 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T14:31:18 < kakeman> question 2014-09-22T14:31:36 < kakeman> I have mcu powered via linear regulator 2014-09-22T14:31:53 < kakeman> oh wait 2014-09-22T14:32:42 < kakeman> I want to power cortex-m0 mcu using lipo cell 2014-09-22T14:32:57 < kakeman> lpc1111 in this case 2014-09-22T14:33:24 < kakeman> it can't withstand 4.2volts for long periods 2014-09-22T14:34:31 < kakeman> but it should be powered all the way down to 2.7 or something 2014-09-22T14:37:38 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-22T14:38:54 < kakeman> designing a cell balancer 2014-09-22T14:39:31 < Sync> small smps 2014-09-22T14:39:48 < kakeman> with both cell to stack and stack to cell active balancing 2014-09-22T14:41:46 < jpa-> kakeman: if it can run on low enough voltages, LDO should work 2014-09-22T14:42:02 < jpa-> just regulate to the lowest voltage, e.g. 2.5V or something 2014-09-22T14:42:25 < kakeman> run it with low voltage ye 2014-09-22T14:42:54 < kakeman> I thought that 2014-09-22T14:43:32 < kakeman> is there benefits using lower or higher voltage with cortex-m0 chips 2014-09-22T14:43:34 < kakeman> ? 2014-09-22T14:43:55 < kakeman> I have never concidered using anything else than 3v3 2014-09-22T14:44:18 < jpa-> lower voltage usually gives lower power usage, while higher voltage can allow larger clock speeds 2014-09-22T14:45:41 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has 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for heads up 2014-09-22T15:02:06 < gnomad> today's latest switchers have very low quiescent currents, but they aren't exactly cheap. 2014-09-22T15:02:16 < kakeman> ye 2014-09-22T15:02:36 < jpa-> gnomad: only if you are doing stuff that allows always taking the lowest sleep modes when not cpu-bound 2014-09-22T15:02:52 < gnomad> jpa-: i clarified that a few posts back 2014-09-22T15:02:53 < kakeman> another thing with this cell balancer/monitor is that is should be ultra inexpensive 2014-09-22T15:03:08 < gnomad> but if you are interested in low power, that is the #1 thing you should be doing anyways. 2014-09-22T15:03:50 < jpa-> the last time i did something low-power, just waiting for SPI transfers at full clock freq would have used tons of power 2014-09-22T15:04:02 < kakeman> lowest sleep mode needs some device to wakeup chip externally 2014-09-22T15:04:11 < jpa-> was better to run at 1 MHz all the time, because nothing was very computationally intensive 2014-09-22T15:04:29 < jpa-> i don't think kakeman's balancer will be cpu-bound at *any* time 2014-09-22T15:04:29 < gnomad> that is where chips with mutiple OSCs (like the mps430) really shine. 2014-09-22T15:04:53 < jpa-> it is annoying on the software side to support multiple clock frequencies 2014-09-22T15:04:59 < jpa-> especially transitions between them 2014-09-22T15:04:59 < gnomad> not really 2014-09-22T15:05:08 < gnomad> not on the msp430, anyways 2014-09-22T15:05:56 < gnomad> FWIW, I generally use msp430 when I am interested in low power, ARM when I want CPU power. 2014-09-22T15:07:50 < jpa-> not that a balancer needs to be particularly low-power anyway, the device that is loading the battery probably takes hundreds of mA so 1 mA or so of continuously running microcontroller is nothing 2014-09-22T15:08:38 < gnomad> Yeah, if you are powering from mains that's not an issue at all 2014-09-22T15:08:55 < gnomad> different matter entirely if you are energy harvesting 2014-09-22T15:09:34 < dongs> < kakeman> I want to power cortex-m0 mcu using lipo cell 2014-09-22T15:09:34 < gnomad> did'd read back far enough to know the intended application... 2014-09-22T15:09:44 < dongs> kakeman: use a buckboost, like tps63001 2014-09-22T15:10:18 < gnomad> When I go 1S lipo to 3v3, I generally use LDO. 2014-09-22T15:10:24 < jpa-> the choice between buckboost and LDO boils down to the amount of current used and the voltage requirements.. if it is just the microcontroller, i would go with the simpler LDO solution 2014-09-22T15:10:39 < gnomad> It is difficult to improve upon LDO efficiency in that case. 2014-09-22T15:10:58 < dongs> except when cell drops below 3.3V.. 2014-09-22T15:11:18 -!- alan5 [~quassel@80.84.58.162] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T15:11:18 < gnomad> you shouldn't be running your lipo below 3v3 anyway 2014-09-22T15:11:20 < jpa-> which is why one should run at 2.5V 2014-09-22T15:11:50 < jpa-> gnomad: well LDO stops at 3.5V, and if you are loading the cell with 1-2A then it is still only half-used at that point 2014-09-22T15:12:19 < gnomad> if you are pulling 1A of current you really don't need to be concerned with milliamps! 2014-09-22T15:13:21 < gnomad> also, there is a big difference between designing for LiPo where you need to worry about saving the battery and disposable lithium where you want to squeeze out every last drop from the battery before you throw it away 2014-09-22T15:13:27 < jpa-> gnomad: what if it is 1A sometimes and 0.0001A at other times? 2014-09-22T15:13:46 < gnomad> again, it all depends on the application 2014-09-22T15:13:53 < jpa-> naturally :) 2014-09-22T15:14:00 < gnomad> what *is* the application here? 2014-09-22T15:14:17 < jpa-> no idea, don't start bringing facts to an irc discussion 2014-09-22T15:14:24 < gnomad> ;-) 2014-09-22T15:16:22 < kakeman> ye I'm planning to use balancer boards with rather big cells 2014-09-22T15:16:50 < kakeman> 5Ah cells maybe 2014-09-22T15:17:04 < gnomad> what is your charging power source? 2014-09-22T15:18:29 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1673957641/free-energy 2014-09-22T15:20:08 < gnomad> it is getting harder and harder to tell which of those kickstarters are done ironically. 2014-09-22T15:21:27 < kakeman> 5Ah and up to anything 2014-09-22T15:22:13 < kakeman> no 2014-09-22T15:23:17 < kakeman> I was planing 10A balancing current 2014-09-22T15:23:56 < gnomad> I mean, are you powering from mains or something else? 2014-09-22T15:24:04 < kakeman> no 2014-09-22T15:24:14 < gnomad> no to which? 2014-09-22T15:24:33 < kakeman> sory man my head is spinning :) 2014-09-22T15:24:45 < gnomad> it's a simple question... 2014-09-22T15:25:38 < kakeman> certainly it could be charged up from mains 2014-09-22T15:25:46 < gnomad> because if you are powering from mains, you really don't need to worry about efficiency and can concentrate on keeping things simple. 2014-09-22T15:26:01 < kakeman> but it's for mobile solutions 2014-09-22T15:26:35 < gnomad> Well, if you can't even define your problem, nobody is going to be able to help you. 2014-09-22T15:28:34 < kakeman> I don't exactly have one application but many 2014-09-22T15:29:46 < gnomad> you can't be all things to all people. 2014-09-22T15:31:26 < gnomad> I mean, you can, but it is going to be complex and expensive. 2014-09-22T15:31:34 < kakeman> well I want to be something to myself 2014-09-22T15:31:57 < kakeman> but how we went from lipo balancing to life meaning stuff 2014-09-22T15:32:00 < kakeman> ? 2014-09-22T15:32:07 < gnomad> Do you have a market for expensive parts and the skills to design and build them? 2014-09-22T15:32:52 < jpa-> since when does hobby stuff need a market? 2014-09-22T15:32:55 < kakeman> I'm experimenting. not designing a final product 2014-09-22T15:33:21 < gnomad> then don't worry about efficiency and concentrate on keeping it simple 2014-09-22T15:33:49 < jpa-> yeah, i would keep it as simple as possible while fulfilling required power budget 2014-09-22T15:33:49 < kakeman> gnomad: it's for human powered vehicle 2014-09-22T15:34:24 < kakeman> waisted energy is extra sweat 2014-09-22T15:34:38 < gnomad> then you should have said that 20 minutes ago 2014-09-22T15:36:01 < jpa-> kakeman: isn't the power usage in that kind of application like 100+W average? why do you care about some tiny microcontroller current draw? 2014-09-22T15:36:07 < gnomad> if you are doing energy recovery, then by definition your problem is maximizing efficiency 2014-09-22T15:37:45 < gnomad> and more importantly, you have a much larger set of issues to deal with 2014-09-22T15:38:03 < kakeman> jpa-: there is more than one mcu 2014-09-22T15:38:09 < kakeman> dozens 2014-09-22T15:38:32 < jpa-> so, 120mA tops? like 0.5 watts? 2014-09-22T15:38:53 < jpa-> and with trivial power conserving actions just 0.05 watts 2014-09-22T15:39:01 < gnomad> In this case, power consumption by the MCU is going to be largely irrelevant 2014-09-22T15:39:06 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-22T15:39:42 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T15:39:43 < gnomad> unless you re being stupid, any extre processing done to improve the efficiency of your energy recovery is going to be well spent. 2014-09-22T15:41:41 < gnomad> your #1 issue is going to be designing a switcher to properly load your MGU for braking and then convert to the proper charging voltage. 2014-09-22T15:42:33 < gnomad> until you have that nailed, you can completely forgret about MCU efficiency. 2014-09-22T15:43:08 < jpa-> (it seems that often in ebikes, the energy recovered from braking is often smaller than the load of motor in coasting, thus the use of freewheeling clutches) 2014-09-22T15:43:46 < kakeman> gnomad: I know 2014-09-22T15:43:59 < kakeman> but I begin with easy stuff 2014-09-22T15:44:24 < kakeman> I need balancers generally 2014-09-22T15:44:41 -!- alan5 [~quassel@80.84.58.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-22T15:51:17 < gnomad> combining braking, energy recovery, and balancing is *NOT* the simple way to do things. 2014-09-22T15:51:58 < gnomad> my suggestion is to concentrate on maximizing energy recovery in bulk charge mode. 2014-09-22T15:52:17 < gnomad> do your balancing off-line with a mains supply. 2014-09-22T15:52:52 < gnomad> "off-line" in this case meaning the vehicle is not in operation. 2014-09-22T15:53:27 < kakeman> this vehicle is offline 2014-09-22T15:53:32 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-22T15:54:20 < kakeman> and balancing is compelelly independent system 2014-09-22T15:56:45 < kakeman> main power source is braking load of pedals 2014-09-22T15:57:30 < kakeman> 8) 2014-09-22T15:58:40 -!- alan5 [~quassel@85.210.225.143] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T16:04:14 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T16:10:31 -!- baird_ is now known as baird 2014-09-22T16:16:19 < kakeman> anyone interested building flywheel energy storage? 2014-09-22T16:17:47 < kakeman> It scares me a little 2014-09-22T16:20:43 < Steffanx> Don't be scared kakeman 2014-09-22T16:20:53 < Laurenceb> kakeman: yes 2014-09-22T16:20:57 < Laurenceb> i like scary stuff 2014-09-22T16:21:09 < Laurenceb> but it cant store much energy :-/ 2014-09-22T16:21:24 < kakeman> It scares me for my wallet 2014-09-22T16:22:26 < Laurenceb> i guess if you use something exotic 2014-09-22T16:22:53 < Laurenceb> like zylon 2014-09-22T16:23:02 < kakeman> whole thing must be cnc machined 2014-09-22T16:23:27 < Laurenceb> not with self centering suspension 2014-09-22T16:23:57 < kakeman> magnetig bearings sound fancy 2014-09-22T16:24:06 < Laurenceb> waste of time 2014-09-22T16:24:24 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T16:24:26 < Laurenceb> silicon nitride bearings are better 2014-09-22T16:24:51 < kakeman> does those work in vacuum? 2014-09-22T16:24:53 < gnomad> Flywheel recovery is actually very efficient. 2014-09-22T16:24:54 < Laurenceb> yes 2014-09-22T16:25:05 < gnomad> bitch and a hald to machine, though. 2014-09-22T16:25:09 < Laurenceb> http://www.carterbearings.co.uk/isisz/hybrid-and-ceramic-bearings/?gclid=CK_FvIH29MACFa7KtAodnT0AKA 2014-09-22T16:27:26 < kakeman> then why magnetic bearings are used? 2014-09-22T16:27:38 < Laurenceb> because its sounds good 2014-09-22T16:27:59 < Laurenceb> silicon nitride will run for decades with lower energy loss 2014-09-22T16:28:27 < Laurenceb> http://www.wychbearings.co.uk/CH-61900-2RZ-CERAMIC-HYBRID.html?gclid=CILRoOD29MACFbPJtAodGjQAag 2014-09-22T16:28:39 < Laurenceb> apparently the hybrid stuff is almost as good 2014-09-22T16:28:46 < Laurenceb> and more tolerant of abuse 2014-09-22T16:29:09 < Laurenceb> oh Zirconium 2014-09-22T16:29:12 < Laurenceb> thats trash 2014-09-22T16:30:43 < Laurenceb> you would want something like 2014-09-22T16:30:44 < Laurenceb> http://www.lily-bearing.com/ceramic/51106-ceramic-thrust-ball-bearing.htm 2014-09-22T16:32:23 -!- alan5 [~quassel@85.210.225.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-22T16:33:07 < kakeman> maybe angular? 2014-09-22T16:34:09 < Laurenceb> copy this design 2014-09-22T16:34:10 < Laurenceb> http://www.velkess.com/ 2014-09-22T16:34:32 < Laurenceb> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/384204/photo-main.jpg?1397802230 2014-09-22T16:36:09 < Laurenceb> i guess the best fibres have 2.5 times the energy storage / mass of the best lipo cells 2014-09-22T16:36:21 < Laurenceb> so maybe this stuff is worth bothering with 2014-09-22T16:36:27 * Laurenceb is rather unconvinced 2014-09-22T16:36:54 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-22T16:37:01 < Laurenceb> theres still safety factor + vacuum chamber 2014-09-22T16:39:39 < kakeman> could flywheel be used as long term energy storage? 2014-09-22T16:39:48 < Laurenceb> maybe.... 2014-09-22T16:39:55 < kakeman> something about it sounds crazy 2014-09-22T16:39:58 < Laurenceb> not very cheap or small 2014-09-22T16:40:15 * Laurenceb is generally unconvinced by flywheels 2014-09-22T16:40:22 < dongs> NCC1701 sized flywheel 2014-09-22T16:40:48 < Laurenceb> but if you want to kill yourself... 2014-09-22T16:41:23 < kakeman> case made of kevlar should contain it 2014-09-22T16:41:25 < Laurenceb> concrete vacuum vessel with a copy of that velkess thing using zylon rigging based flywheel running on a SiN bearing... 2014-09-22T16:41:48 < Laurenceb> also doubles as a bomb 2014-09-22T16:41:56 < dongs> zyclon-b bearing 2014-09-22T16:42:13 < Laurenceb> ~ same energy density as TNT 2014-09-22T16:42:22 < kakeman> shieet 2014-09-22T16:42:24 < kakeman> :D 2014-09-22T16:43:03 < kakeman> I would use flywheel to avoid unnecessary cycles for lipo 2014-09-22T16:44:26 < kakeman> ok how about heat produced by bldc connected to flywheel? 2014-09-22T16:44:32 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T16:44:59 < kakeman> I would put whole thing inside a vacuum so 2014-09-22T16:45:35 < BrainDamage> you can heatsink the motor 2014-09-22T16:45:41 < BrainDamage> there's water jackets for instance 2014-09-22T16:45:50 < BrainDamage> or even just rods 2014-09-22T16:46:11 < kakeman> just that rotor part 2014-09-22T16:46:40 < kakeman> you can't really make connection to chassis 2014-09-22T16:47:10 < BrainDamage> out of curiosity, how much energy do you have to store 2014-09-22T16:47:11 < kakeman> but maybe it would radiate enough 2014-09-22T16:47:22 < kakeman> lemme see 2014-09-22T16:48:27 < Laurenceb> dont use BLDC 2014-09-22T16:48:34 < Laurenceb> thats a stupid choice of motor 2014-09-22T16:48:40 < Laurenceb> using an induction motor 2014-09-22T16:48:52 < Laurenceb> that way it can idle without parasitic losses 2014-09-22T16:49:18 < dongs> induction is what, ~ equiv to bldc inrunner? 2014-09-22T16:49:24 < dongs> stator on outside, magnetic rotor inside? 2014-09-22T16:49:31 < Laurenceb> no magnetic rotor 2014-09-22T16:49:44 < BrainDamage> induction is both coils in stator and rotor 2014-09-22T16:49:46 < Laurenceb> uses eddy current induction 2014-09-22T16:49:49 < Laurenceb> yeah 2014-09-22T16:49:53 < dongs> o'rly 2014-09-22T16:50:08 < Laurenceb> but seriously 2014-09-22T16:50:20 < Laurenceb> decent flywheel storage is a shiton of work 2014-09-22T16:50:31 < BrainDamage> generally flywheel isn't worth unless you need to store shitload of energy 2014-09-22T16:50:33 < Laurenceb> not a weekend hobby project 2014-09-22T16:50:36 < Laurenceb> yeah 2014-09-22T16:50:46 < BrainDamage> hence why I asked how much he had to store 2014-09-22T16:50:48 < kakeman> 100kJ 2014-09-22T16:50:52 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-22T16:50:56 < Laurenceb> thats nothing 2014-09-22T16:50:57 < BrainDamage> that's a frigging laptop battery 2014-09-22T16:51:02 < Laurenceb> use a car battery lol 2014-09-22T16:51:12 < dongs> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100kJ 2014-09-22T16:51:30 < Laurenceb> energy of Wolframs ego 2014-09-22T16:51:58 < kakeman> that 100kJ should be put to that flywheel in 3seconds 2014-09-22T16:52:21 < Laurenceb> so 33kW? 2014-09-22T16:52:32 < Laurenceb> Truck battery then 2014-09-22T16:52:54 < kakeman> weight concervative application 2014-09-22T16:52:59 < Laurenceb> wtf are you making? 2014-09-22T16:53:02 < Laurenceb> race car? 2014-09-22T16:53:04 < kakeman> truck battery not an option 2014-09-22T16:53:12 < Laurenceb> ah 2014-09-22T16:53:17 < BrainDamage> lipo batteries for rc stuff can deliver several kW 2014-09-22T16:53:24 < Laurenceb> hmm 2014-09-22T16:53:26 < kakeman> ye maybe lipo is better 2014-09-22T16:53:27 < BrainDamage> use multiple in parallel with some safety factor 2014-09-22T16:53:32 < Laurenceb> yeah > 10W/gram 2014-09-22T16:53:47 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-22T16:54:37 < Laurenceb> http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__51837__Turnigy_nano_tech_Ultimate_6600mah_2S2P_90C_Hardcase_Lipo_Pack.html 2014-09-22T16:54:47 < dongs> only 90C? 2014-09-22T16:54:49 < dongs> trash 2014-09-22T16:54:58 < Laurenceb> lol 2014-09-22T16:55:42 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.co.uk/hobbyking/store/__17265__Turnigy_nano_tech_6000mah_2S2P_65_130C_Hardcase_Lipo_Pack.html 2014-09-22T16:56:05 < Laurenceb> one i linked was ~11.2W/gram 2014-09-22T16:56:51 < dongs> Advantages over traditional Lipo batteries: 2014-09-22T16:56:52 < dongs> -Power density reaches 7.5 kw/kg. 2014-09-22T16:56:59 < Laurenceb> lol you could do 33Kw with 2Kg of lipo 2014-09-22T16:57:07 < Laurenceb> erm i mean 4 2014-09-22T16:57:18 < Laurenceb> assuming its double the power density at burst 2014-09-22T16:57:25 < Laurenceb> seems to be a rule of thumb 2014-09-22T16:57:37 < dongs> can you start a car with that 2014-09-22T16:57:51 < Laurenceb> hmm 2014-09-22T16:57:59 < Laurenceb> the one i linked is 90C constant 2014-09-22T16:58:07 < BrainDamage> a car's battery provides like 500A burst @ 12V 2014-09-22T16:58:08 < Laurenceb> so 11Kw/kg continual 2014-09-22T16:58:10 < BrainDamage> for 1-2s 2014-09-22T16:58:18 < dongs> well 2014-09-22T16:58:21 < dongs> 90C for that batt 2014-09-22T16:58:24 < dongs> is 594A 2014-09-22T16:58:38 < Laurenceb> so 3Kg of lipo on your car 2014-09-22T16:59:41 < Laurenceb> ~$500 for the whole thing 2014-09-22T17:00:02 < Laurenceb> 45 horsepower 2014-09-22T17:00:04 < Laurenceb> not bad 2014-09-22T17:00:31 < BrainDamage> I've seen some nuts using supercaps to replace the battery 2014-09-22T17:00:45 < BrainDamage> those 2kJ maxwell supercaps in series 2014-09-22T17:01:10 < Laurenceb> i wonder if supercaps could be used for large scale energy storage 2014-09-22T17:01:26 < BrainDamage> don't supercaps leak like mad? 2014-09-22T17:01:31 < Laurenceb> i dunno lol 2014-09-22T17:01:56 < Laurenceb> i just dont see why they couldnt be mass produced in huge quantities 2014-09-22T17:02:03 < Laurenceb> for grid backup, unlike batteries 2014-09-22T17:02:31 < BrainDamage> I've seen grid equalizing actually with giant flywheels, buried 2014-09-22T17:02:35 < BrainDamage> fucking scary 2014-09-22T17:03:25 < Laurenceb> i guess you would need ~1M tonnes of supercaps for a medium country 2014-09-22T17:03:28 < Laurenceb> not impossible 2014-09-22T17:06:37 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T17:18:27 < gnomad> I like the short term storage used in the UK... 2014-09-22T17:19:20 < gnomad> excess nighttime power is used to pump water up into a resevior so that it can be used to generate hydro during daytime peaks 2014-09-22T17:20:19 < karlp> that's kinda standard for hydro worldwide 2014-09-22T17:20:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-22T17:20:30 < gnomad> very low-tech, but it works. 2014-09-22T17:21:55 < gnomad> however, the UK doesn't have the drainage basin required to make this work without pumping water *in* to the ressevior. 2014-09-22T17:22:17 < gnomad> I don't think that aspect is terribly common. 2014-09-22T17:25:35 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation_(horse) note last sentence 2014-09-22T17:25:54 < dongs> (in first paragraph) 2014-09-22T17:27:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T17:33:35 < kakeman> sorry guys got that 100kJ / 3sec wrong 2014-09-22T17:34:22 < kakeman> that would be all braking energy of 200kg object from 100km/h speed 2014-09-22T17:34:58 < kakeman> forgot that intended drive system wouldn't deliver anywhere near that 2014-09-22T17:35:20 < kakeman> maybe 5kw 2014-09-22T17:36:09 < Laurenceb> lol 2014-09-22T17:36:15 < gnomad> but in any case, supercaps are perfect for short term energy storage. such as hybrid vehicle applications. 2014-09-22T17:36:18 < Laurenceb> a single RC lipo pack :P 2014-09-22T17:36:34 < kakeman> math got little bit too crazy at 33kW 2014-09-22T17:37:09 < kakeman> lipos can't take thousands of braking cycles 2014-09-22T17:37:54 < Laurenceb> so... supercap 2014-09-22T17:39:16 < Laurenceb> http://www.maxwell.com/products/ultracapacitors/docs/maxwell_ultracapacitor_bus_solution.pdf 2014-09-22T17:39:36 < Laurenceb> maybe a bit big 2014-09-22T17:40:19 < kakeman> rail voltage would be in hundreds of volts 2014-09-22T17:40:29 < Laurenceb> 500kJ for that thing 2014-09-22T17:40:33 < Laurenceb> you need ~100kJ 2014-09-22T17:40:44 < kakeman> no 2014-09-22T17:40:49 < kakeman> half of it 2014-09-22T17:40:53 < Laurenceb> oh 2014-09-22T17:41:19 < gnomad> have you actually measured the power available from your MGU? 2014-09-22T17:41:22 < Laurenceb> http://www.maxwell.com/products/ultracapacitors/docs/k2_2_85v_ds_3000619en_1.pdf 2014-09-22T17:41:56 < kakeman> gnomad: no 2014-09-22T17:42:05 < Laurenceb> 28KJ in one of those 2014-09-22T17:42:13 < gnomad> that is the *first* thing you need to do in this type of design. 2014-09-22T17:42:21 < Laurenceb> erm 2014-09-22T17:42:26 < Laurenceb> 1KG of those 2014-09-22T17:43:24 < Laurenceb> so you need about 4 of them 2014-09-22T17:43:52 < kakeman> shelf life 4years :| 2014-09-22T17:44:23 < gnomad> ideally, you want to use a 2-stage setup, supercaps as a primary and lipos as a secondary 2014-09-22T17:44:29 < Laurenceb> lol wtf 2014-09-22T17:44:37 < Laurenceb> power density is lower than lipo 2014-09-22T17:44:50 < gnomad> that is exactly why you don't do everything with supercaps 2014-09-22T17:45:15 < gnomad> supercaps for the high-freqwuency signals and lipos for the low 2014-09-22T17:46:29 < gnomad> put *most* of thr charge/discharge current through the supercap where cycle current doesn't effect lifetime. 2014-09-22T17:47:07 < gnomad> but again, we're talking optimal design here which involves quite a bit of complexity. 2014-09-22T17:47:23 < gnomad> at this point you are designing *multiple* different switching converters. 2014-09-22T17:47:42 < kakeman> btw if i have electrolytic capacitors uncharged in my shelf 2014-09-22T17:47:48 < Laurenceb> maybe Ni-MH ? 2014-09-22T17:48:19 < kakeman> does those die in some years? 2014-09-22T17:48:53 < gnomad> all depends on how you treat them. 2014-09-22T17:50:12 < kakeman> do nothing 2014-09-22T17:50:40 < kakeman> keep them in 15celsius 2014-09-22T17:50:50 < gnomad> "nothing" requires storage at absolute zero. 2014-09-22T17:50:50 < kakeman> or lower 2014-09-22T17:51:12 < BrainDamage> all compoents age even sitting on the shelf 2014-09-22T17:51:14 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-22T17:51:24 < kakeman> better get some liquid helium now 2014-09-22T17:51:30 < gnomad> the rate of shelf aging depends, in large part, on charge. 2014-09-22T17:51:38 < BrainDamage> and temperature 2014-09-22T17:52:08 < gnomad> yes, and temperature. we've already established that 2014-09-22T17:53:36 < kakeman> should caps be charged time to time if keeping years in shelf 2014-09-22T17:53:50 < gnomad> which, btw, is another reason why you want to unload as much of your charing onto caps as possible -- to keep your batery temps down. 2014-09-22T17:54:16 < gnomad> caps generally generate much less heat during charging 2014-09-22T17:54:18 < Laurenceb> i guess ~7Kw/Kg isnt too bad 2014-09-22T17:54:38 < Laurenceb> if you had full energy recovery over 3 seconds, that is ~30Kw 2014-09-22T17:54:48 < Laurenceb> so <5Kg of supercap 2014-09-22T17:54:59 < Laurenceb> i wonder what they cost 2014-09-22T17:55:34 < gnomad> A while back the market was flooded with cheap maxwell supercaps 2014-09-22T17:55:48 < Laurenceb> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Maxwell-Technologies/BCAP3400-P285-K04/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuDCPMZUZ%252bYl50tvSY%2fXVzIGUsF8h7k4dc%3d 2014-09-22T17:55:49 < gnomad> i'm really bummed I didn't score a bunch. 2014-09-22T17:55:51 < Laurenceb> ten of these 2014-09-22T17:55:57 < Laurenceb> doable for a uni project 2014-09-22T17:56:38 < gnomad> At the uni level the importance is design. 2014-09-22T17:57:00 < gnomad> even with a small (affordable) cap bank you still have the design complexity of the multi-stage storage system. 2014-09-22T17:57:34 < Laurenceb> it looks doable with just supercap and low C lipo to me 2014-09-22T17:57:40 < Laurenceb> if its an electric vehicle 2014-09-22T17:58:01 < gnomad> sure, you just need to remember the voltage curge of the capacitor. 2014-09-22T17:58:07 < Laurenceb> yeah 2014-09-22T17:58:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-22T17:58:56 < gnomad> (curve) 2014-09-22T18:00:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T18:00:56 < gnomad> but again, if you don't already understand all of this, you are really better off just getting something simple working first. 2014-09-22T18:03:12 < kakeman> ye 2014-09-22T18:03:19 < kakeman> lipo balancer 2014-09-22T18:04:09 < gnomad> I really wouldn't even worry about balance. 2014-09-22T18:04:29 < gnomad> just balance your cells with a mains balance charger. 2014-09-22T18:05:14 < gnomad> getting bulk charge working is going to be difficult enough at your level. 2014-09-22T18:09:06 < kakeman> :D 2014-09-22T18:09:28 < kakeman> just bought 1.27mm pin headers 2014-09-22T18:10:18 < Steffanx> What's next? Fancy jumper wires? 2014-09-22T18:10:26 < kakeman> and realized that making holes with copper around them will not pass manufacturing capabilities 2014-09-22T18:11:00 < Steffanx> uh? Get a better manufacturer.. 2014-09-22T18:11:26 < kakeman> wait 2014-09-22T18:11:59 < kakeman> I failed at math again 2014-09-22T18:12:31 < kakeman> 10X error 2014-09-22T18:13:30 < kakeman> decimal error 2014-09-22T18:13:31 < Steffanx> Sure you didn't have a 2x error as well and needed standard 0.1" headers? :P 2014-09-22T18:13:50 < kakeman> no 2014-09-22T18:14:23 < kakeman> I change to 1.27mm pin headers because pin headers seem to take major areas in my designs 2014-09-22T18:14:50 < Sync> or you just don't care and let the batteries burn up with your cycles 2014-09-22T18:14:52 < kakeman> but you cant really get wires between pins anymore 2014-09-22T18:14:56 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.141.219.66] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T18:15:55 < kakeman> Sync: not disposable application 2014-09-22T18:16:38 < kakeman> good stuff works for years and decades 2014-09-22T18:16:57 < jpa-> why not use smd headers? 2014-09-22T18:17:51 < kakeman> will those hold? 2014-09-22T18:19:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-22T18:19:28 < kakeman> in double row I will 2014-09-22T18:20:21 < kakeman> oh those single row things bend every other leg to other side 2014-09-22T18:20:22 < gxti> hrm, didn't realize keil rtos (RTX) is bsd licensed 2014-09-22T18:20:32 < gxti> time to get real pro software 2014-09-22T18:21:24 < Sync> kakeman: depends what your good stuff is 2014-09-22T18:21:25 < Laurenceb> heh 2014-09-22T18:21:39 < Laurenceb> gxti: isnt that the "CMSIS RTOS" ? 2014-09-22T18:21:57 < gxti> i guess. if nothing else i can cut it up into something useful. 2014-09-22T18:22:17 < Sync> LMP1H does not really care about replacing the batteries after a race 2014-09-22T18:24:34 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T18:25:16 < kakeman> it's so expensive car that I can't affort even look at it 2014-09-22T18:29:09 < gxti> you already owe money just thinking about it? 2014-09-22T18:30:37 < kakeman> getting more and more poor just mentioning it 2014-09-22T18:33:49 < Cyric> hey guys what you think about the new STM32CUBE? 2014-09-22T18:34:21 < Cyric> it looks pretty cool! 2014-09-22T18:34:36 < Cyric> unfortunately is L1 is not supported yet! 2014-09-22T18:35:10 < Steffanx> i heard dongs was really happy about it 2014-09-22T18:35:21 < Steffanx> So if it makes him happy, its good. 2014-09-22T18:35:54 < Steffanx> ( he actually hated it) 2014-09-22T18:36:20 < Cyric> did he also say why? 2014-09-22T18:37:03 < Cyric> i havent tryied it yet.. but the code portability between different family seems interesting... 2014-09-22T18:39:22 < englishman> the download link has beeb 404ing for me for a few days 2014-09-22T18:39:29 -!- CipherWizard [~cipherwiz@mail.novatech-llc.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T18:39:57 < englishman> i used it last week, like it a lot 2014-09-22T18:41:16 < Cyric> they said that in 2014 ALL the STM32 MCU portafolio will be covered... 2014-09-22T18:41:35 < Cyric> so in the worst case i have to wait 3 months for the L1 2014-09-22T18:41:51 < gxti> ha 2014-09-22T18:43:54 < dongs> timecube? 2014-09-22T18:43:56 < dongs> ha ha 2014-09-22T18:43:57 < dongs> garbage 2014-09-22T18:44:11 < gxti> timecube only supports 4-sided stm32 parts 2014-09-22T18:44:21 < dongs> ... so no bga? 2014-09-22T18:44:27 < dongs> or tsop? 2014-09-22T18:45:05 < englishman> dongs do you have the installer .exe 2014-09-22T18:45:10 < dongs> for wat 2014-09-22T18:45:19 < englishman> timecube 2014-09-22T18:45:22 < dongs> i only have microexplorer or wahtever 2014-09-22T18:45:30 < dongs> the java shit that draws pin maps 2014-09-22T18:45:37 < dongs> stm32cubeMX 2014-09-22T18:45:37 < dongs> that 2014-09-22T18:46:10 < englishman> so easy to set up clocks http://i.imgur.com/GRQWSKr.jpg 2014-09-22T18:46:12 < englishman> ya 2014-09-22T18:46:17 < englishman> the dl link is broken 2014-09-22T18:46:20 < englishman> can u send plz 2014-09-22T18:46:39 < dongs> oh um... i hope i have it on nas 2014-09-22T18:46:42 < dongs> my 3TB took a shit last week 2014-09-22T18:46:54 < dongs> SetupSTM32CubeMX-4.3.0.exe 2014-09-22T18:46:56 < dongs> 40 fucking megs 2014-09-22T18:47:21 < dongs> see /notioce 2014-09-22T18:47:22 < dongs> goin to bed 2014-09-22T18:47:26 < englishman> thx 2014-09-22T18:56:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T19:04:01 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-114-239.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T19:05:45 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-79-80.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-22T19:18:11 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h5-152-198-170.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T19:20:08 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@81-196-140-135.cable-modem.hdsnet.hu] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T19:20:36 < gxti> dongs: have you used RTX? 2014-09-22T19:29:03 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [] 2014-09-22T19:37:40 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h5-152-198-170.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-22T19:38:36 < Laurenceb> http://cdn.dice.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2014-09-19-at-3.24.47-PM.png 2014-09-22T19:39:58 < synico> pfft, android has had that for years 2014-09-22T19:40:09 < gxti> 8/10 for effort but the writing style doesn't really seem apple-ish 2014-09-22T19:41:13 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-22T19:44:36 -!- a_morale_ [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T19:47:22 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-22T19:50:02 < synico> so, vbat max is 3.6 volts. When using a coincell, should I just run it through a diode to drop the voltage? 2014-09-22T19:51:04 < gxti> what coin cell are you using that's 3.6v? 2014-09-22T19:51:35 < synico> I'm not, but that's what it says vbat's max is. I have a regular lithium coincell 2014-09-22T19:54:12 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T19:55:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.48] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T19:56:20 < gxti> normal lithium primary coin cells are 3v 2014-09-22T19:57:45 < synico> wow I'm dumb. carry on 2014-09-22T19:58:12 < gxti> to answer your question anyway, diode drop probably wouldn't work at such low currents 2014-09-22T19:58:16 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T19:58:41 < synico> I see 2014-09-22T20:00:54 < aadamson> fyi, there are lots of lithium coin cells that are more the 3v and rechargeable 2014-09-22T20:00:55 < aadamson> http://www.powerstream.com/licoin.htm 2014-09-22T20:01:10 < gxti> which is why i said primary :p 2014-09-22T20:01:16 < gxti> (i.e. not rechargeable) 2014-09-22T20:01:17 < aadamson> ah, indeed 2014-09-22T20:01:23 < gxti> although there are apparently 3.6V cells 2014-09-22T20:01:24 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-126-153.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T20:01:24 < aadamson> missed that small point :) 2014-09-22T20:01:35 < aadamson> yeah I think I've seen them oo 2014-09-22T20:01:36 < aadamson> too 2014-09-22T20:03:40 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-126-153.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-22T20:06:30 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h79-143-82-250.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T20:06:41 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-22T20:11:30 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T20:12:39 -!- piezoid [~piezoid@tsv35-1-78-232-144-90.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-22T20:14:00 -!- a_morale_ [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-22T20:20:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-22T20:34:56 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-37-123-154-110.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T20:42:16 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.95] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T20:46:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nmwqrpfzokasemrv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-22T20:47:51 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ae97b.pool.mediaways.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T20:47:55 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T20:50:30 -!- nighty^__ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-22T20:54:20 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-22T21:00:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-22T21:01:31 < amstan_> any idea why my tim1.4 on f0 doesn't do pwm right? 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2014-09-23T02:30:08 < amstan> upgrdman: yep 2014-09-23T02:30:22 < amstan> switched contexts for a moment there 2014-09-23T02:30:35 < upgrdman> heres my function for init'ing a timer for PWM usage: 2014-09-23T02:31:18 < upgrdman> http://pastebin.com/tw1dX5Xk 2014-09-23T02:31:43 < upgrdman> make sure your code goes through those steps 2014-09-23T02:31:58 < zyp> wow, that if block 2014-09-23T02:33:07 < amstan> upgrdman: could you print your timer registers after that code? 2014-09-23T02:33:18 < upgrdman> ya... not an example of good code. but it works 2014-09-23T02:33:31 < upgrdman> amstan: too lazy. no f0 within reach. sorry. 2014-09-23T02:33:38 < amstan> upgrdman: alright, np 2014-09-23T02:34:08 < amstan> upgrdman: that looks much better than the stm32 standard library code 2014-09-23T02:34:16 < amstan> upgrdman: where is that code from? 2014-09-23T02:34:20 < upgrdman> i wrote it 2014-09-23T02:34:28 < amstan> personal project? or a bigger codebase? 2014-09-23T02:34:33 < upgrdman> it's for my servo tester / spectrum analyzer / tetris project 2014-09-23T02:35:10 < upgrdman> will upload full code later this week. check farrellf.com later this week and look for a post about my servo tester. 2014-09-23T02:35:36 < amstan> upgrdman: cool, thanks 2014-09-23T02:36:03 < upgrdman> zyp: i agree the if blocks are ugly, but is there a better way? switch seems wasteful to litter the code with breaks when each case is only a couple lines of code. 2014-09-23T02:37:03 < upgrdman> amstan: actually, this is outdated, but contains my timer code too: https://github.com/farrellf/stm32f0-empty-project/tree/master/f0lib 2014-09-23T02:37:53 < upgrdman> but the f0lib_gpio.c file is horrid. i mean, embarrassingly bad. so uh, don't expect quality. 2014-09-23T02:38:02 < upgrdman> it'll be updated later this week 2014-09-23T02:38:20 < zyp> in my own library I concluded that it was better to keep clock enables and gpio mapping out of the peripheral API and make the caller responsible for getting the peripherals enabled and the pins mapped right 2014-09-23T02:39:50 < amstan> zyp: you might get optimized in some of those cases 2014-09-23T02:40:01 < zyp> less mess and less magic to figure out when stuff don't work when it's supposed to 2014-09-23T02:40:02 < upgrdman> curious, why did you conclude that to be better? 2014-09-23T02:40:14 < upgrdman> o ok 2014-09-23T02:40:43 < zyp> amstan, sure, I'm not arguing that 2014-09-23T02:42:02 < zyp> the pwm config thing is kinda fun too, why do you have one, two and four channels but not three? 2014-09-23T02:42:25 < zyp> (RGB leds would require three, if you need a use case) 2014-09-23T02:42:49 < zyp> and the only combinations you support are 1, 1+2, 1+2+3+4 2014-09-23T02:43:18 < zyp> what if the CH1-pin is already occupied by a different peripheral you're using? 2014-09-23T02:43:24 < upgrdman> i think you're referring to my code? i just couldn't be bothered to do 3, and if you only need three you can just give an invalid or duplicate pin for channel 4 2014-09-23T02:43:28 < amstan> zyp: get a bigger chip, lol 2014-09-23T02:44:31 < zyp> upgrdman, so why are you taking a channels option at all instead of always assuming four? 2014-09-23T02:45:19 < zyp> I'll venture to say that that function is poorly thought out 2014-09-23T02:45:29 < upgrdman> well it's variadic, wouldn't it be bad to read past the stack frame? also, reading past the stack frame could configure a gpio if the bytes are just right. 2014-09-23T02:45:33 < upgrdman> yes :) 2014-09-23T02:49:04 < zyp> okay, if I had to make a function with a similar API to that, I'd make a struct containing a pointer to the timer register and the bus enable register, an integer containing the bit number in the enable register, and the af number 2014-09-23T02:49:17 < zyp> and then make static instances for each timer 2014-09-23T02:49:28 < zyp> and pass that as the first argument to the function 2014-09-23T02:50:23 < zyp> secondly, instead of a number of channels, I'd pass channels as a bitfield, one bit per channel, that way you can use any combination of channels you like 2014-09-23T02:50:37 < zyp> and then just read a variadic arg for each bit in the bitfield that's 1 2014-09-23T02:51:43 < upgrdman> ok 2014-09-23T02:52:09 < zyp> (except I wouldn't use C style variadic args, I'm a C++ guy so I'd use variadic templates) 2014-09-23T02:52:21 < upgrdman> k 2014-09-23T02:53:21 < upgrdman> hmm did C ever the ability to define functions like void foo(int a); void foo(int a, int b); or is that just c++? 2014-09-23T02:53:42 < zyp> that's C++ function overloading 2014-09-23T02:53:47 < upgrdman> k 2014-09-23T02:54:05 < zyp> but doesn't C still have default arguments? 2014-09-23T02:54:17 < zyp> like void foo(int a, int b = 0) 2014-09-23T02:54:18 < upgrdman> don't recall 2014-09-23T02:55:14 < zyp> no, it doesn't it's apparently also just a C++ thing 2014-09-23T02:55:57 < zyp> it's one of the things I get surprised about C lacking compared to C++, every time I have to write C 2014-09-23T02:56:23 < upgrdman> ya. it would be nice is c has more of the non-oop c++ features 2014-09-23T02:56:39 < gxti> it might work mixed with C code though 2014-09-23T02:58:26 < upgrdman> i guess i wrote my pwm function the way i did to keep the housekeeping outside of it to a minimum. no need to remember which bus reg needs to be poked to enable clocks, etc. 2014-09-23T02:58:53 < zyp> sure, but that's solved through a sane clock api 2014-09-23T02:59:06 < upgrdman> for example, setting up the timer is as easy as "timer_pwm_setup(TIM1, 100, FOUR_CHANNELS, PA8, PA9, PA10, PA11); // 50us period (spec'd in half microseconds)" 2014-09-23T02:59:21 < dongs> qyx_: just briefly looked at it. there's a freetard version too (i guess thats what youre referring to) 2014-09-23T02:59:24 < upgrdman> that was old code before i added the prescaler arg. prescaler was hard coded to 24 2014-09-23T02:59:34 < zyp> mine is RCC.enable(RCC.TIM2); 2014-09-23T02:59:46 < zyp> also, the problem with timers is that they are so flexible 2014-09-23T03:00:02 < zyp> that you're losing a lot of flexibility when you're wrapping it up in a function like that 2014-09-23T03:00:11 < upgrdman> ok, good point, i could do some RCC functions too 2014-09-23T03:00:30 < upgrdman> sure. i have different functions for different apps. 2014-09-23T03:00:42 < zyp> libopencm3 has a good way of doing them in C, I suggest taking a look 2014-09-23T03:00:50 < upgrdman> like i have a timer_timebase_setup(...) to setup a one-shit timer that triggers an ISR 2014-09-23T03:00:53 < upgrdman> err one-shot 2014-09-23T03:01:00 < upgrdman> ok 2014-09-23T03:01:14 < zyp> rcc functions, that is 2014-09-23T03:01:18 < upgrdman> ya 2014-09-23T03:01:26 < qyx_> dongs: what 2014-09-23T03:01:33 < qyx_> mikrotik? 2014-09-23T03:02:18 < dongs> oh, that was gxti asking 2014-09-23T03:02:19 < dongs> pfft 2014-09-23T03:02:26 < dongs> gxti: just briefly looked at it. there's a freetard version too (i guess thats what youre referring to) 2014-09-23T03:02:30 < dongs> i always confuse you two 2014-09-23T03:02:51 < gxti> not too surprising i guess 2014-09-23T03:03:02 < zyp> *yawn* 2014-09-23T03:03:19 < zyp> dongs, got any fun projects going on nowadays? 2014-09-23T03:03:22 < gxti> anyway i think i'll try freertos instead, i can live with mixed license i guess 2014-09-23T03:03:52 < gxti> it only causes problems if i need to modify it, and i only had to consider modifying chibios due to lack of a way to wait on multiple queues 2014-09-23T03:03:59 < gxti> which freertos has 2014-09-23T03:04:36 < gxti> and since freertos has no HAL shit i don't have to worry about modifying that either. of course i could use chibios without HAL, but freertos seems like a better core. 2014-09-23T03:05:01 < qyx_> and bsides that chibios hal is apache2 2014-09-23T03:05:22 < qyx_> gpl & linking exempt doesn't apply here 2014-09-23T03:05:34 < gxti> uh wut 2014-09-23T03:06:46 < gxti> i did not notice that before 2014-09-23T03:07:13 < dongs> feertos is aids api..... 2014-09-23T03:07:14 < qyx_> there was a list somewhere with exact directories mentioned 2014-09-23T03:07:20 < qyx_> where it applies 2014-09-23T03:07:24 < dongs> zyp: just uselerss hdmishit 2014-09-23T03:07:54 < gxti> what a mess 2014-09-23T03:08:13 < qyx_> http://www.chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:exception 2014-09-23T03:08:13 < qyx_> here 2014-09-23T03:08:20 < qyx_> but seems to be outdated now 2014-09-23T03:08:40 < gxti> yeah that's the stuff you're allowed to use from non-GPL code 2014-09-23T03:08:46 < gxti> not the stuff that's not GPL licensed 2014-09-23T03:09:13 < gxti> so far only mention of apache2 i've seem is one sentence in the license page, it's not in the actual lld files unless it changed since the last time i used it 2014-09-23T03:09:30 < gxti> the lld files i have say gpl still 2014-09-23T03:09:38 < gxti> anyway, i don't really care 2014-09-23T03:10:08 < gxti> but i hate licensing shenanigans which is why i looked away from chibios in the first place 2014-09-23T03:10:17 < qyx_> mine say Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 2014-09-23T03:10:26 < gxti> ok, it changed since i used it last then 2014-09-23T03:14:35 < qyx_> i hate this random stuff 2014-09-23T03:14:43 < qyx_> no bit errors now again 2014-09-23T03:32:50 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-23T03:47:05 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/RZHCtoZ.jpg 2014-09-23T03:48:25 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-23T03:54:19 < dongs> waht 2014-09-23T03:54:32 < dongs> someone was bored 2014-09-23T03:55:13 < dongs> indeed 2014-09-23T03:56:39 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T03:59:19 < dongs> Sophone i6 owns a 4.7-inch QHD IPS OGS ARC screen with 960*540 pixel display, MTK6582 Quad Core 1.3GHz processor, 2GB RAM, and 4GB storage(System shows 32GB Rom, and supports up to 32GB TF Card). 2014-09-23T03:59:37 < dongs> lol @ all china clonephones showing 16-32gb nand when its usually <= 4gb 2014-09-23T03:59:39 < emeb> qyx_: your RF stuff is behaving again? 2014-09-23T04:00:06 < ds2> emeb: how's the board going? 2014-09-23T04:00:09 < emeb> s/clone/clown/ <- FTFY 2014-09-23T04:00:23 < emeb> ds2: the ads-b board? 2014-09-23T04:00:27 < ds2> yeah 2014-09-23T04:00:32 < dongs> AIDS-B 2014-09-23T04:00:39 < emeb> it's basically working, but... 2014-09-23T04:00:49 < dongs> there's always a but 2014-09-23T04:00:51 < zyp> except it's not? 2014-09-23T04:00:58 < emeb> not as sensitive as I think it ought to be so I'm chasing down that. 2014-09-23T04:01:05 < ds2> it spits fire every 2 hours? ;) 2014-09-23T04:01:08 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T04:01:11 < zyp> dongs, there's always a butt 2014-09-23T04:01:24 < dongs> R2COM: waste of $, get the xeon e5 instead. 2014-09-23T04:01:29 < dongs> also overclocking is so 1996 2014-09-23T04:01:32 < dongs> who the fuck does taht anymore 2014-09-23T04:01:34 < ds2> emeb: small S or big N? 2014-09-23T04:02:07 < dongs> R2COM: becauase it will turbo to that speed by itself anyway when needed. and chances are, for irc, it won't be needed. 2014-09-23T04:02:09 < emeb> ds2: the proof-of-concept I did was with a BBW, an old Spartan 3A FPGA board and a separate RF section in it's own box. 2014-09-23T04:02:30 < dongs> emeb is all bout bbw 2014-09-23T04:02:38 < emeb> the actual board uses a BBB, a new Spartan 3A board and the RF section is on board. 2014-09-23T04:02:47 < emeb> the BBB is noisier 2014-09-23T04:02:47 < dongs> R2COM: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/turbo-boost/turbo-boost-technology.html 2014-09-23T04:03:02 < emeb> and having the RF section close by causes some self-quieting issues. 2014-09-23T04:03:12 < ds2> blah 2014-09-23T04:03:23 < ds2> even after you disable the HDMI crap? 2014-09-23T04:03:50 < emeb> ds2: yes - that helped a lot. 2014-09-23T04:04:01 < emeb> still need to disable the 25MHz I2S oscillator 2014-09-23T04:04:10 < dongs> you should have dumped the whole "cape" shit and just made it battery powered USB device 2014-09-23T04:04:18 < ds2> thought I2S was slaved to HDMI? 2014-09-23T04:04:40 < emeb> ds2: there's a separate I2S osc on P9-31 that's on by default 2014-09-23T04:05:14 < emeb> dongs: an STM32-based ads-b system could be very attractive, but I don't want USB 2014-09-23T04:05:28 < emeb> I want it to be stand-alone networked. 2014-09-23T04:05:42 < emeb> hence the BBB which has ethernet built-on. 2014-09-23T04:05:43 < dongs> so stm32+ enet?? 2014-09-23T04:05:56 < dongs> gxti has the knowhow for F107 ethernet 2014-09-23T04:05:57 < emeb> dongs: that's also an option, but I've not done STM32 ethernet 2014-09-23T04:06:05 < ds2> F107 is ether isn't it? 2014-09-23T04:06:05 < emeb> personally 2014-09-23T04:06:07 < dongs> copypaste his design 2014-09-23T04:06:11 < emeb> blah 2014-09-23T04:06:12 < dongs> ds2: it is 2014-09-23T04:06:32 < emeb> I've got a board in the works that will fit the ads-b board I'm hacking on now. 2014-09-23T04:06:51 < emeb> basically an STM32 in a BBB form-factor with the right interfaces to talk to most of my FPGA boards. 2014-09-23T04:06:53 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/81061/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2699-v3-45M-Cache-2_30-GHz 2014-09-23T04:07:04 < ds2> emeb: are you using the cans? 2014-09-23T04:07:13 < dongs> this has almost as much cache as my first pentium60 box had ram 2014-09-23T04:07:38 < emeb> ds2: cans are possible - I've had them on and then off again and they didn't make much difference either way. 2014-09-23T04:07:51 < emeb> seems like most of the crud is getting in way up front. 2014-09-23T04:08:01 < ds2> emeb: what's the antenna? 2014-09-23T04:08:31 < emeb> it's a 3-element co-linear based on a design I ganked off the 'net. 2014-09-23T04:08:52 < ds2> is it physically far enough away for it to not pick up the BBB noise? 2014-09-23T04:08:52 < emeb> worked well on the proof-of-concept, and also well on the day-job 2014-09-23T04:09:27 < emeb> ATM I don't suspect the antenna 2014-09-23T04:09:43 < ds2> but where else can it get in if you got cans on it? 2014-09-23T04:09:49 < emeb> better shielded coax might help - RG-8 instead of RG-59 2014-09-23T04:10:06 < emeb> ds2: cans don't protect the SMA launcher 2014-09-23T04:10:09 < dongs> yes, server ones 2014-09-23T04:10:11 < ds2> RG59? thought you spec'ed a SMA 2014-09-23T04:10:19 < emeb> ds2: adapter 2014-09-23T04:10:25 < ds2> Ohhhh 2014-09-23T04:10:37 < dongs> http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X10DRL-i.cfm 2014-09-23T04:10:40 < dongs> i.e shit like that 2014-09-23T04:11:06 < ds2> emeb: what about copper tape from the SMA to the cable connector? 2014-09-23T04:11:14 < emeb> ds2: might help 2014-09-23T04:11:24 < emeb> I'll probably put the cans back on first tho 2014-09-23T04:11:35 < emeb> I've made a number of improvements since I last had them on. 2014-09-23T04:11:52 < ds2> or maybe add wings and encapsulate the BBB in a cage? 2014-09-23T04:12:14 < emeb> that idea has occurred to me 2014-09-23T04:12:37 < dongs> wait for 18core version 2014-09-23T04:12:44 < dongs> then get two 2014-09-23T04:12:48 < dongs> and put it in that supermicro board. 2014-09-23T04:13:01 < dongs> only problme wiht that supermicro shit is you need DDR4 ECC RDIMM 2014-09-23T04:13:10 < dongs> which are yet another fucktarded form factor/price 2014-09-23T04:13:19 < ds2> didn't think the BBB is that noisy overall 2014-09-23T04:13:21 < zyp> 18 core version? 2014-09-23T04:13:27 < zyp> implying intel will turn into amd 2014-09-23T04:13:28 < ds2> emeb: is the noise in band? 2014-09-23T04:13:39 < dongs> zyp: http://ark.intel.com/products/81061/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2699-v3-45M-Cache-2_30-GHz 2014-09-23T04:13:42 < emeb> ds2: hard to say 2014-09-23T04:13:52 < dongs> zyp: its already announced, should be out like any day now 2014-09-23T04:13:53 < emeb> that's part of the problem with a tuned RF front-end 2014-09-23T04:13:55 < zyp> wat! 2014-09-23T04:13:59 < zyp> wow 2014-09-23T04:14:09 < emeb> the logamp I use to detect the pulses is very wide-band. 2014-09-23T04:14:20 < emeb> works basically 100MHz - 4GHz 2014-09-23T04:14:35 < emeb> the signal chain leading up to it seems fairly clean tho 2014-09-23T04:14:35 < dongs> much impress 2014-09-23T04:14:48 < dongs> even power envelope isnt so bad, consider its 18 fucking cores 2014-09-23T04:14:59 < dongs> AMD has some pile of shit drawing 240W with like 8 cores or somethign 2014-09-23T04:15:04 < zyp> R2COM, yeah, I need it to IRC harder 2014-09-23T04:16:07 < zyp> yes 2014-09-23T04:16:20 < zyp> that's the entire point of the turbo thing 2014-09-23T04:16:42 < dongs> Intel® Identity Protection Technology [ No ] 2014-09-23T04:16:44 < dongs> fuck that shit 2014-09-23T04:16:53 < zyp> it speeds up some cores when other cores are idle while maintaining a maximum thermal envelope 2014-09-23T04:16:56 < dongs> youre gonna get your gaming credz stolen while you shoot people 2014-09-23T04:17:02 < ds2> emeb: how bad does it look if you put a 50ohm resistor wrapped in foil right at the input? 2014-09-23T04:17:04 < dongs> no deal 2014-09-23T04:18:33 < dongs> wellsfargo front page has a black male with a child next to a heading related to home ownership being so easy 2014-09-23T04:18:41 < dongs> racist 2014-09-23T04:19:52 < dongs> heh 2014-09-23T04:20:47 < dongs> https://www04.wellsfargomedia.com/assets/images/photography/lifestyle/227x288/father-daughter_house-exterior_shoulders-airplane_227x288.jpg Thinking of buying a home, refinancing, or improving your current home? 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We offer helpful information while you plan, simple steps when you.re ready to start, and support along the way. 2014-09-23T04:20:56 < dongs> https://www03.wellsfargomedia.com/assets/images/contextual/banner/mortgage/227x238/mtg_refinancetime2dmiwearmb1_227x240.jpg 2014-09-23T04:21:21 < dongs> they've got all the usual american races tehre 2014-09-23T04:21:28 < dongs> probly trying to be politically correct 2014-09-23T04:21:41 < dongs> to avoid rage from minorities 2014-09-23T04:26:46 < dongs> 32nm wat 2014-09-23T04:26:51 < dongs> thats gotta be either a typo or old as f uck 2014-09-23T04:26:58 < dongs> sandy bridge dude 2014-09-23T04:27:01 < dongs> thats like 3 generations behind 2014-09-23T04:27:06 < dongs> you'd be a tool to get that 2014-09-23T04:27:18 < dongs> it can, because its shit 2014-09-23T04:27:29 < dongs> you want haswell-ep 2014-09-23T04:27:55 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117479 i.e. this, but with moar cores 2014-09-23T04:28:05 < dongs> 22 nm Haswell-EP >>> 2014-09-23T04:28:22 < dongs> yes 2014-09-23T04:28:27 < upgrdman> 20MB of cache. wow 2014-09-23T04:28:29 < dongs> i wouldnt link it otherwise 2014-09-23T04:28:34 < dongs> upgrdman: the one i linked has 45meg! 2014-09-23T04:28:43 < upgrdman> oh, heh cool 2014-09-23T04:29:40 < upgrdman> that reminds me, is cache only ever used by the microarch? i mean, op codes never let you specifically dick with what goes in cache, right? 2014-09-23T04:29:54 < dongs> http://www.theinquirer.net/IMG/483/297483/intel-haswell-ep-2600-v3-server-chip-540x334.JPG?1410021469 2014-09-23T04:31:06 < dongs> thats a lotta pins 2014-09-23T04:31:23 < upgrdman> i can haz pins 2014-09-23T04:31:56 < upgrdman> with enough magnet wire and recreational drugs... a definite maybe 2014-09-23T04:32:25 < upgrdman> like this: http://www.tayloredge.com/museum/mymuseum/electronics/deadbug.jpg 2014-09-23T04:33:24 < upgrdman> i'd break out out to one LONG 0.1" header 2014-09-23T04:33:35 < upgrdman> and beat someone over the head with it 2014-09-23T04:33:59 < dongs> stupid xbox dicks 2014-09-23T04:34:00 < upgrdman> fuck you and your signal integrety. 2014-09-23T04:34:10 < upgrdman> :) 2014-09-23T04:38:03 < dongs> maybwe in 2 years unless something better comes up 2014-09-23T04:39:54 < dongs> yeah 2014-09-23T04:39:57 < dongs> at like 12nm or someshit 2014-09-23T04:40:04 < dongs> i just got a 22nm gaming rig, that'll last me for a while 2014-09-23T04:40:09 < dongs> irc isn't hard on processor 2014-09-23T04:40:22 < dongs> it can play 4k dcimena at 60% cpu 2014-09-23T04:40:27 < dongs> dcinema 2014-09-23T04:41:13 < dongs> um 2014-09-23T04:41:14 < dongs> yes it can 2014-09-23T04:41:16 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/83356/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2630-v3-20M-Cache-2_40-GHz 2014-09-23T04:41:22 < dongs> to 3.2 2014-09-23T04:43:05 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/compare/82930,83356 2014-09-23T04:43:47 < dongs> yep 2014-09-23T04:43:54 < dongs> it is almost same 2014-09-23T04:44:07 < dongs> who cares 2014-09-23T04:44:11 < dongs> overclocking is dumb 2014-09-23T04:44:16 < dongs> usaully done by AMD idiots 2014-09-23T04:44:19 < dongs> cuz their cpu sucks 2014-09-23T04:44:36 < dongs> last thing I overclocked was my pentium 60 to 75 2014-09-23T04:44:43 < dongs> in like 1995 2014-09-23T04:44:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-23T04:45:09 < dongs> haha 2014-09-23T04:45:20 < dongs> no raging wars in congo 2014-09-23T04:45:24 < dongs> if you buy the xpensive one 2014-09-23T04:45:59 < dongs> why teh fuck is congo such a shit tiny country but has all these minerals 2014-09-23T04:46:04 < dongs> cant they just go mine them elsewehre 2014-09-23T04:46:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T04:46:28 < emeb> ds2: I've got an honest-to-goodness 50ohm SMA termination. 2014-09-23T04:46:56 < emeb> It cleans the input up some, but not as much as direct short-to-gnd at the input of the 1st SAW filter 2014-09-23T04:47:35 < dongs> hah, i7-x also has no intel gfx 2014-09-23T04:47:47 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-23T04:47:48 < dongs> good, that shit is just wasting temperature 2014-09-23T04:47:53 < dongs> R2COM: "better"? 2014-09-23T04:47:56 < dongs> xeon can have 768gb 2014-09-23T04:48:26 < dongs> probly eaten up by ecc 2014-09-23T04:48:37 < ds2> emeb: oh... that doesn't sound good 2014-09-23T04:49:15 < dongs> yeah and that 2014-09-23T04:49:41 < dongs> nope, cuz you wouldn't be able to get 2133 server memory anyway. 2014-09-23T04:49:52 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-31-44.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-23T04:49:53 < dongs> cuz tehy dont overclock 2014-09-23T04:50:34 < dongs> Intel® Secure Key consists of a digital random number generator that creates truly random numbers to strengthen encryption algorithms. 2014-09-23T04:50:42 < dongs> what are the odds its NSA-"approved" 2014-09-23T04:51:07 < dongs> right 2014-09-23T04:51:14 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-45-172-168.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T04:52:56 < dongs> of course not 2014-09-23T04:53:05 < dongs> infact it probably supports passive cooling 2014-09-23T04:53:11 < dongs> with just a huge radiator 2014-09-23T04:53:42 < dongs> http://www.avadirect.com/product_details_parts.asp?PRID=9673 2014-09-23T04:53:45 < dongs> im talking shit like this 2014-09-23T04:53:47 < dongs> just a heatsink. 2014-09-23T04:53:48 < dongs> no fan. 2014-09-23T04:53:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T04:54:16 < dongs> http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/dynatron/r12_01.jpg 2014-09-23T04:54:18 < dongs> no idea 2014-09-23T04:54:24 < dongs> just googled "lga2011 passive heatsink" 2014-09-23T04:54:30 < dongs> you dont want that ina gaming rig anyway 2014-09-23T04:54:40 < dongs> servers get away with it cuz they got like 20 fans blowing air across the entire 2U chassis 2014-09-23T04:54:42 < emeb_mac> LN2 2014-09-23T04:56:53 < dongs> boxed xeons dont come with fan, so you gotta get a separate one 2014-09-23T04:57:17 < dongs> at least old ones didint duno if new ones are same 2014-09-23T04:57:22 < dongs> yeah 2014-09-23T04:58:33 < dongs> X was $1100 or someshit 2014-09-23T04:58:46 < dongs> 1059 2014-09-23T04:58:46 < dongs> yeah 2014-09-23T05:00:26 < dongs> i'd pick the last one over 85W and price 2014-09-23T05:01:09 < dongs> because i dont live in my moms basement 2014-09-23T05:01:16 < dongs> so i gotta pay for electricity 2014-09-23T05:01:52 < emeb_mac> I just like quiet machines - lower power = less fan = quieter 2014-09-23T05:03:06 < gxti> i like quiet machines so i put them upstairs and ran long cables. less to look at, too. 2014-09-23T05:07:28 < dongs> they're not all running at same freq 2014-09-23T05:07:49 < dongs> .. i think? 2014-09-23T05:13:34 < dongs> duno when I irc, my i7 runs at 800mhz 2014-09-23T05:14:00 < gxti> for the highest turbo frequency it would be 1 core. might be a middle frequency for 2 cores. 2014-09-23T05:14:49 < gxti> the idea is that when only 1 core is busy it can be clocked higher than if they are all running max 2014-09-23T05:14:56 < gxti> yes 2014-09-23T05:15:04 < dongs> http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/cs-031089.htm 2014-09-23T05:15:04 < dongs> heh 2014-09-23T05:15:07 < gxti> games are pretty unbalanced in terms of cpu usage, usually 1 fat thread 2014-09-23T05:15:30 < gxti> and some misc shit that is mostly asleep 2014-09-23T05:16:23 < dongs> R2COM: http://www.intel.com/support/processors/corei7ee/sb/CS-032277.htm 2014-09-23T05:16:26 < dongs> googled it 4 u 2014-09-23T05:16:46 < dongs> R2COM: nah thats just monitor, like cpuz or wahtever 2014-09-23T05:18:09 < dongs> oh thats pretty good 2014-09-23T05:18:29 < dongs> and you get to use ricer ram 2014-09-23T05:19:49 < dongs> oh that 105W is 10 core 2014-09-23T05:19:50 < dongs> nice 2014-09-23T05:20:23 < emeb_mac> ten cores! wtf software uses that? 2014-09-23T05:20:44 < dongs> mIRC 2014-09-23T05:21:01 < emeb_mac> lol 2014-09-23T05:21:30 < emeb_mac> stupid matlab requires a special $$$ license to run multi-core 2014-09-23T05:21:50 < emeb_mac> not enough that I've spent $10k on it, they want more... 2014-09-23T05:22:01 < emeb_mac> ya 2014-09-23T05:22:05 < emeb_mac> ya 2014-09-23T05:22:25 < emeb_mac> matlab + simulink + comm toolbox + filter toolbox + etc 2014-09-23T05:22:36 < emeb_mac> yeah 2014-09-23T05:22:39 < emeb_mac> work 2014-09-23T05:22:57 < emeb_mac> use it almost every day 8hrs/day 2014-09-23T05:23:19 < emeb_mac> worth it, but would be nice to have multi-threading on my quad-core 2014-09-23T05:26:28 < dongs> or BBW 2014-09-23T05:31:00 < dongs> no 2014-09-23T05:31:14 < dongs> they have to be same, and at least back in the day, also from same batch/lot/wahtever 2014-09-23T05:34:56 < dongs> or a single 2699 w/18 cores and ... ? 185W? 2014-09-23T05:46:58 < englishman> cpus cost $2700 now? 2014-09-23T05:48:13 < englishman> cool that you can just get the tray and save $4 2014-09-23T05:57:44 < upgrdman> dongs: saw this and thought of you. nsfw. http://i.imgur.com/YoapXBV.jpg 2014-09-23T05:58:05 < dongs> thats emeb_mac material right there 2014-09-23T05:58:27 < upgrdman> strategically placed cherry and everything 2014-09-23T05:58:32 < emeb_mac> uh, no 2014-09-23T05:58:53 < dongs> lo 2014-09-23T06:13:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-23T06:14:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T06:36:05 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-23T06:36:49 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T07:14:18 < upgrdman> i think i know what i want to try for my next robot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOf5l-soo8k 2014-09-23T07:28:36 < upgrdman> better video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf6Gh-hPDeo 2014-09-23T07:40:20 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-23T07:43:24 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T07:48:09 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T07:52:20 < dongs> upgrdman: wow, thats epic 2014-09-23T07:58:13 < englishman> inversion control :)) 2014-09-23T08:02:24 < dongs> lol R2COM why are you in stonertronics 2014-09-23T08:02:27 < dongs> that place is a cesspool 2014-09-23T08:08:31 -!- Guest97025 [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T08:31:04 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T08:33:31 -!- [1]Cyric [~Cyric@138.62.237.26] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T08:38:01 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/390869074696 wat 2014-09-23T08:38:38 < dongs> i mean.. they're $182 on digikey,, but $400? 2014-09-23T08:38:43 < dongs> dumb ebay dicks 2014-09-23T08:50:43 < ds2> R2COM: Hey... the sales rep confirms the pricing for OrCAD pro 2014-09-23T08:53:24 < upgrdman> R2COM: no idea. never even seen one in real life. but it sounds like a fun project to make a little one to drive via RC 2014-09-23T08:53:45 < ds2> donno...this is the list price $6K version 2014-09-23T08:53:52 < upgrdman> lol 2014-09-23T08:54:16 < upgrdman> if i get the little one working right maybe i can allocate the funds and time to make something full size 2014-09-23T08:54:19 < dongs> R2COM: nope just tweezers 2014-09-23T08:55:43 -!- Guest97025 [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-23T08:58:59 < dongs> gah, useless 2014-09-23T08:59:04 -!- [1]Cyric [~Cyric@138.62.237.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-23T09:00:11 < dongs> no idea 2014-09-23T09:00:16 < dongs> looks useless. 2014-09-23T09:10:08 < upgrdman> how much $? 2014-09-23T09:11:13 < dongs> he mentions " 4 digits" 2014-09-23T09:12:48 < upgrdman> eye loupe + fancy stand? 2014-09-23T09:19:33 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/empowering-women-period--4 2014-09-23T09:28:21 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-23T09:31:46 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/one-plus-love 2014-09-23T09:31:56 -!- [1]Cyric [~Cyric@138.62.237.26] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T09:32:01 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T09:42:17 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-23T09:44:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T09:47:20 -!- [1]Cyric [~Cyric@138.62.237.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-23T09:49:04 < xkonni> glad you found something you like! 2014-09-23T10:06:36 -!- [1]Cyric [~Cyric@cCAE7653E.static.as2116.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T10:07:33 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ae97b.pool.mediaways.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T10:10:26 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Quit: OS upgrade] 2014-09-23T10:10:35 < dongs> attn emeb_mac http://hackaday.com/2014/09/07/more-wifi-modules-for-iot-madness/ 2014-09-23T10:12:26 -!- Thorn [~thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-23T10:12:28 < emeb_mac> oh, indiegogo - that's so pro 2014-09-23T10:12:47 < dongs> kekeke 2014-09-23T10:12:53 < emeb_mac> nice that there's an SDK tho 2014-09-23T10:13:29 < emeb_mac> joy - MIPS CPU. my favorite 2014-09-23T10:18:07 < emeb_mac> hilarious reading the comments 2014-09-23T10:21:55 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-23T10:30:14 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-171-4-132.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T10:33:07 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-23T10:52:47 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-232-243.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-23T10:53:11 -!- scrts_w [528ddb42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.141.219.66] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-23T10:59:44 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-171-4-132.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-23T11:05:11 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-232-243.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T11:15:40 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ayatori-light-up-your-relationships oh no a failing jap dickstarter 2014-09-23T11:17:59 < dongs> wait, they're lighting up the led from the voltage in headphone jack?? 2014-09-23T11:18:01 < dongs> is that e vne possible 2014-09-23T11:18:12 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/746773/files/20140727094014-system_design2.jpg?1406479214 2014-09-23T11:19:58 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T11:43:42 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-23T11:44:54 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T11:46:58 < kakeman> why it wouldnt be? 2014-09-23T11:47:41 < dongs> uh 2014-09-23T11:47:42 < dongs> how? 2014-09-23T11:47:48 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T11:47:48 < dongs> its some mV stuff at very low current 2014-09-23T11:48:04 < kakeman> no 2014-09-23T11:48:47 < kakeman> hundreds of milliwatts power 2014-09-23T11:49:17 < kakeman> at least from laptop headphone jack 2014-09-23T11:50:25 < kakeman> just do some smart energy harvesting 2014-09-23T11:51:42 < kakeman> maybe not hundreds but 100-200 2014-09-23T11:53:16 < effractur> ~60mW for both channels combined 2014-09-23T12:00:18 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-37-65.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T12:01:42 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-45-172-168.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-23T12:08:31 -!- frankenmichl [~michael@p5494A431.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T12:10:03 < frankenmichl> hi, maybe someone here has an idea what I'm doing wrong with my I2C on my stm32f429. When I run the board at 180MHz, and PCLK1 set to 45MHz, everything works fine. But when I run on 8MHz with no PLL or prescalers configured, this start getting messy.. 2014-09-23T12:10:34 < frankenmichl> according to my logic analyzer, instead of one read data, it performs three consecutive reads 2014-09-23T12:11:20 < frankenmichl> for testing I reduced I2C clock to as little as 10khz, but still no difference 2014-09-23T12:16:35 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ae97b.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-23T12:19:03 -!- R0b0t1` [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T12:20:25 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-23T12:21:36 < frankenmichl> these strange values I read are always the same.. 2014-09-23T12:24:23 < zyp> sounds like a race 2014-09-23T12:26:42 < zyp> sounds like you're doing something that must complete before a given bus event, and with the reduced cpu speed, the cpu can't keep up 2014-09-23T12:27:10 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T12:27:56 < frankenmichl> it does not matter if the CPU runs on 8MHz or 128MHz configured pll, if the PCLK1 is 8MHz (haven't tried other speeds yet). 2014-09-23T12:28:22 < zyp> oh, ok 2014-09-23T12:28:26 < frankenmichl> manual reads i do at least 2MHz on PCLK1 for I2C standard mode 2014-09-23T12:29:18 < frankenmichl> but yeah, race seems pretty reasonable. on 180 MHz if I do some debug prints in ISR I get the same malicious behaviour.. 2014-09-23T12:35:11 < frankenmichl> uh I found something possibly troublesome - I did not adjust trise according to my pclk1 2014-09-23T12:38:05 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-23T12:38:47 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abduction_insurance 2014-09-23T12:45:53 < frankenmichl> :D 2014-09-23T12:49:22 < zyp> Laurenceb, this is for you: http://graphadick.blogspot.com/ 2014-09-23T12:51:08 < frankenmichl> I'm doing a little break - will return later 2014-09-23T12:51:11 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-!- baird_ is now known as baird 2014-09-23T14:35:15 < [1]Cyric> does some of you use the CPAL library for I2c? 2014-09-23T14:44:27 < xkonni> i am using fsmc to address a 16mbit sram. this works fine unless i try to access an address >= 65536. any leads on what may be causing this? 2014-09-23T14:46:22 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-23T14:47:45 < dongs> [1]Cyric: fuck no, its bloated beyond belief 2014-09-23T14:48:43 * Laurenceb has sightseers on DVD 2014-09-23T14:49:00 < [1]Cyric> i agree and is quite confusing too... 2014-09-23T14:49:01 < Laurenceb> dongs level entertainment 2014-09-23T14:49:22 < dongs> i dont evne think anyone at ST uses it 2014-09-23T14:49:28 < dongs> shit's insane 2014-09-23T14:49:42 < [1]Cyric> i am trying to make my software more hardware indipendent but those stuff is a mess 2014-09-23T14:50:00 < [1]Cyric> they also create some structure for transfer the data 2014-09-23T14:50:30 < [1]Cyric> well is quite messy 2014-09-23T14:50:33 < dongs> well thats generally what happens 2014-09-23T14:50:37 < dongs> but it is ugly as shit tho 2014-09-23T14:50:45 < dongs> the structure is prety straightforward last i checked 2014-09-23T14:50:56 < dongs> you have a in, out data, etc 2014-09-23T14:51:11 < dongs> i duno how it handles shit like repeat start, no-subaddress, etc sitautions 2014-09-23T14:51:42 < [1]Cyric> you have this: CPAL_TransferTypeDef xxxxxxx; 2014-09-23T14:52:02 < [1]Cyric> wich define your buffers 2014-09-23T14:52:33 < [1]Cyric> and the address of your device 2014-09-23T14:53:09 < [1]Cyric> but then they make a mess 2014-09-23T14:53:14 < [1]Cyric> because they have 2014-09-23T14:53:15 < [1]Cyric> CPAL_InitTypeDef I2C1_DevStructure 2014-09-23T14:53:32 < Laurenceb> lolz 2014-09-23T14:53:41 < [1]Cyric> where you initialize your structure (speed etc ) 2014-09-23T14:54:31 < [1]Cyric> by you have also to initialize a field that include buffer that you will use with that structure 2014-09-23T14:55:02 < [1]Cyric> i do not know if that is what i want 2014-09-23T14:55:19 < dongs> duno, read the codes if you insist on using it 2014-09-23T14:55:28 < dongs> i took a look at it for 30 seconds and shift-del'd teh entire folder 2014-09-23T14:55:59 < [1]Cyric> mmm ok 2014-09-23T14:56:17 < [1]Cyric> i tought that those should be better rather the one that i implemented 2014-09-23T14:56:26 < [1]Cyric> because are made from ST guys 2014-09-23T14:56:47 < jpa-> luls 2014-09-23T14:57:01 < dongs> < dongs> i dont evne think anyone at ST uses it 2014-09-23T14:57:23 < [1]Cyric> :) 2014-09-23T14:57:35 < [1]Cyric> ok then i will switch back to mine 2014-09-23T15:00:11 < dongs> https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~prabal/pubs/papers/kuo10hijack-islped.pdf fuck thats cool 2014-09-23T15:02:10 < dongs> ^ attn GargantuaSauce 2014-09-23T15:03:51 < Sync> that's a neat trick 2014-09-23T15:06:14 < dongs> and http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slaa204/slaa204.pdf specifically 2014-09-23T15:12:05 -!- R0b0t1 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80x24 textmode 2014-09-23T15:28:00 < dongs> right 2014-09-23T15:28:35 < jpa-> nah, linux supports 80x50 nowadays 2014-09-23T15:30:56 < karlp> jpa-: right, 0, 0 worked, NULL, NULL didn't. 2014-09-23T15:31:00 < karlp> didn't like NULL for an enum 2014-09-23T15:31:11 < karlp> but what's the weird array syntax in the libopencm3 usbcode doing? 2014-09-23T15:33:25 < dongs> http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/06/06/lightning-enabled-headphones-could-let-apple-ditch-the-headphone-jack-on-future-iphones 2014-09-23T15:33:28 < dongs> laff 2014-09-23T15:33:42 < karlp> oh right, those are designated initializers, 2014-09-23T15:34:01 < karlp> I thought designated initializers was for structs with the {.fieldname=blah, .otherfield=wop} 2014-09-23T15:34:55 < zyp> arrays also have them 2014-09-23T15:35:07 < zyp> there's even a gnu extension to initialize ranges 2014-09-23T15:35:31 < karlp> yeah, just found that page int hemanual 2014-09-23T15:35:35 < zyp> only time I've used it was in a C golf context though :p 2014-09-23T15:35:41 < karlp> I only knew of them for structs. 2014-09-23T15:35:42 < zyp> contest* 2014-09-23T15:36:25 < karlp> dongs: no listening to music while plugged to charge then hey? 2014-09-23T15:36:34 < jpa-> i've used them for interrupt vector tables 2014-09-23T15:38:00 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-23T15:38:16 -!- nighty^_ [~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T15:39:05 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T15:46:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akpjpnvgsjrlpthy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-23T15:51:50 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-23T15:53:31 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T15:59:03 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T15:59:09 -!- Intelaida 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Now I'd like to create a matrix a which has the first column an index of the array x and in the secound column the value of the array x. How do I do that? 2014-09-23T22:33:29 < Steffanx> Laurenceb ˆ^ 2014-09-23T22:34:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.134] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-23T22:38:45 < Laurenceb__> sup 2014-09-23T22:39:12 < Laurenceb__> i dont understand the question 2014-09-23T22:39:19 < Laurenceb__> what do you mean by an array? 2014-09-23T22:39:44 < Laurenceb__> _everything_ is a matrix 2014-09-23T22:39:49 < Laurenceb__> unless its a cell array 2014-09-23T22:40:12 -!- ubuntu__1 [~ubuntu@CPE002191edd529-CM001bd7aa324e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T22:40:13 < englishman> 1-row matrix? 2014-09-23T22:40:16 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-23T22:40:53 < englishman> sounds like he wants to rotate and put in numbering 2014-09-23T22:41:02 < Laurenceb__> I row you ruse 2014-09-23T22:42:15 < englishman> ruh roh 2014-09-23T22:42:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.134] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T22:42:31 < Tectu> lol 2014-09-23T22:42:57 < Laurenceb__> Tectu: a cell array? 2014-09-23T22:43:10 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, I am not familiar with matlab terms yet 2014-09-23T22:43:12 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, I have time=linspace(0,2*pi;1000); 2014-09-23T22:43:20 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, furthermore i have signal=sin(time); 2014-09-23T22:43:34 * Laurenceb__ fires up manlab 2014-09-23T22:43:35 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, now I want a matrix that has col1 time and col2 signal 2014-09-23T22:44:38 < Laurenceb__> mtrix=[time,signal]; 2014-09-23T22:44:50 < Laurenceb__> erm 2014-09-23T22:44:56 < Laurenceb__> matrix=[time;signal]; 2014-09-23T22:45:22 < Laurenceb__> plot(matrix') 2014-09-23T22:45:26 < Laurenceb__> is that what you want? 2014-09-23T22:47:19 < Tectu> hmm 2014-09-23T22:47:45 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, is there an easy(ier) way to create a matrix holding a sine sample to feeed into some crap? 2014-09-23T22:48:29 < Laurenceb__> sin([0:1:1000].*(2*pi/1000)) 2014-09-23T22:49:11 < Tectu> fancy 2014-09-23T22:49:27 < Laurenceb__> you can apply sin to any matrix 2014-09-23T22:49:34 < Laurenceb__> same with ~all functions 2014-09-23T22:49:42 < Laurenceb__> its designed to be "vectorised" 2014-09-23T22:49:49 < Tectu> fancy 2014-09-23T22:49:54 < Tectu> thanks :* 2014-09-23T22:50:12 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, [0:1:1000] isn't the 1 in the middle obsolet? 2014-09-23T22:50:16 < Laurenceb__> yes 2014-09-23T22:50:21 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, or are there any corner cases where 1 is not the default increment? 2014-09-23T22:50:31 < Laurenceb__> 1 is default, but you can change it 2014-09-23T22:50:40 < Laurenceb__> [0:10:1000] 2014-09-23T22:50:43 < Laurenceb__> e.g. 2014-09-23T22:51:14 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, but why do you use dot product here? 2014-09-23T22:51:21 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, shouldn't one do scalar multiplication here? 2014-09-23T22:51:46 < Laurenceb__> dot means multiply element by element 2014-09-23T22:53:03 < Tectu> yes 2014-09-23T22:53:22 < englishman> you need the . which means access each element in the array for the * operation 2014-09-23T22:54:32 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, but your second thing (2*pi/1000) it not a vector 2014-09-23T22:54:39 < Tectu> Laurenceb__, that is a scalar? 2014-09-23T22:54:55 < Laurenceb__> yes 2014-09-23T22:55:12 < Laurenceb__> it will be "promoted" to a vector 2014-09-23T22:55:14 < Tectu> so scalar multiplication should be just fine? 2014-09-23T22:55:19 < Tectu> when and why? 2014-09-23T22:55:53 < Laurenceb__> hmm 2014-09-23T22:55:56 < Laurenceb__> maybe 2014-09-23T22:55:57 < Laurenceb__> try it 2014-09-23T22:56:02 < Laurenceb__> lol 2014-09-23T22:56:36 < Tectu> normal scalar multiplcation works just fine as expected 2014-09-23T22:56:40 < Laurenceb__> ah 2014-09-23T22:56:52 < Laurenceb__> shows how much matlab i know :P 2014-09-23T22:57:42 < Tectu> thank you for your help anyway 2014-09-23T22:57:58 < Tectu> also, you want [1:1000] :D 2014-09-23T23:02:44 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-23T23:03:54 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T23:18:58 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-23T23:19:17 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-23T23:22:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.134] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-23T23:22:32 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0ae97b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-23T23:30:27 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T23:34:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-23T23:39:49 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host109-146-22-11.range109-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T23:40:54 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-23T23:42:23 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host81-129-229-245.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-23T23:43:40 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-23T23:45:01 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T23:47:30 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@h31-3-254-98.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T23:47:59 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-23T23:48:06 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h31-3-254-98.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-23T23:49:27 < Tectu> Laurenceb, ever used simulink? 2014-09-23T23:49:58 < Laurenceb_> no 2014-09-23T23:50:03 < Laurenceb_> also, ewwww --- Day changed Wed Sep 24 2014 2014-09-24T00:10:32 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-24T00:13:55 < Steffanx> Hah, the only good answe Laurenceb_ :) 2014-09-24T00:14:00 < Steffanx> *answer 2014-09-24T00:39:58 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T00:42:58 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-24T01:14:16 -!- Amkei__ [~Amkei@dslb-188-103-225-236.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-24T01:21:16 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@h31-3-254-98.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-24T01:46:23 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host109-146-22-11.range109-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-24T01:51:11 < emeb> simulink. :P 2014-09-24T01:55:43 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T01:57:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-24T02:03:07 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-24T02:03:24 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T02:03:57 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T02:04:41 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T02:19:24 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T02:49:20 < gxti> silly f107 doesn't have dma on one of the uarts i'm using 2014-09-24T02:50:01 < gxti> so i have to keep the dumb queue based implementation anyway :p 2014-09-24T02:54:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-232-243.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-24T02:55:01 -!- stephendwyer [stephendwy@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T02:58:17 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-236-53.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T03:07:55 < emeb> :P - F107! Y U No DMA? 2014-09-24T03:10:11 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/23/ftc_shuts_down_butterfly_labs/ oh gawd lolling 2014-09-24T03:13:11 < qyx_> lol 2014-09-24T03:14:22 < gxti> dma for usart1-4 but not 5 2014-09-24T03:14:54 < gxti> not a big deal because i only use 5 as an expansion thingy, but still silly 2014-09-24T03:15:18 < dongs> isnt 5 not even uSart but just uart 2014-09-24T03:15:24 < gxti> yeah, but so is 4 2014-09-24T03:15:29 < dongs> oh 2014-09-24T03:15:57 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-37-65.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T03:16:57 < gxti> i wonder if uart rx dma is worth it since i'll have to deal with stopping it after idle etc. 2014-09-24T03:34:31 -!- Ian_ [522f6d88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.47.109.136] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T03:43:08 < zyp> not really, you could run it in circular mode and treat the buffer as a ring buffer that you consume from without stopping 2014-09-24T03:45:27 < GargantuaSauce> or use a fixed sentence/command length and use a double buffer of that size 2014-09-24T03:46:04 -!- Alverta8 [~nodebot@li604-225.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T03:46:15 < gxti> can't change the data format 2014-09-24T03:49:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T03:49:32 < gxti> circular mode sounds like it could work 2014-09-24T03:52:09 < gxti> but really it's not like i really NEED to do any of this, i'm just annoyed at how many context switches are being caused every second by receiving gps data 2014-09-24T03:54:02 < gxti> before this freertos port i had to write my own queue (thanks coos?) so i made it lazy, it only wakes up caller when buffer is full (rx) / empty (tx), so there's lots of slack 2014-09-24T03:55:21 < gxti> i'd probably just bring that back instead of dma rx since uart5 has no dma anyway. but probably neither, because it's not a real problem. 2014-09-24T04:04:56 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-24T04:05:08 -!- Ian_ [522f6d88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.47.109.136] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-24T04:13:36 < dongs> your GPS is on usart5? 2014-09-24T04:13:51 < dongs> rx dma from gps is really easy i guess 2014-09-24T04:13:54 < dongs> you should use it 2014-09-24T04:25:29 -!- Alverta8 [~nodebot@li604-225.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-24T04:35:36 < gxti> uart4 is internal gps, uart5 is external socket. supports different protocols, all except ublox have no length field so no 'read X bytes' type operations. 2014-09-24T04:36:08 < gxti> internal is the normal case obviously but i doubt it's worth the complexity of having both 2014-09-24T04:39:41 < qyx_> bit error stories #3 2014-09-24T04:39:52 < qyx_> the number of bit errors remains roughly the same over time 2014-09-24T04:39:58 < qyx_> until i restart transmitter 2014-09-24T04:40:11 < emeb_mac> kewl! 2014-09-24T04:40:15 < emeb_mac> initial conditions? 2014-09-24T04:40:52 < emeb_mac> so if it's bad and then you hit reset, what are the chances it improves? 2014-09-24T04:41:34 < qyx_> now i got about 1 bit error every ~150 bytes 2014-09-24T04:41:40 < qyx_> after 20 power cycles 2014-09-24T04:42:34 < emeb_mac> using a static data packet for testing or random? 2014-09-24T04:43:07 < qyx_> good point, transmitting beacons containing random identifier 2014-09-24T04:43:43 < qyx_> generated with hmac-drbg-like prng seeded from adc floating input 2014-09-24T04:44:50 < qyx_> which changes every 5 minutes 2014-09-24T04:45:03 < qyx_> here we go, 2 bit errors in each 7 byte packet again 2014-09-24T04:45:12 < qyx_> 5 minutes elapsed 2014-09-24T04:49:01 -!- Alyson_Cassin83 [~nodebot@li604-225.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T05:14:28 < GargantuaSauce> pretty sure that's belarus 2014-09-24T05:15:39 < dongs> isnt that old as shit 2014-09-24T05:16:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpaswozogpuhhwys] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-24T05:38:58 -!- Alyson_Cassin83 [~nodebot@li604-225.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-24T05:41:49 -!- Alfonzo80 [~nodebot@li604-225.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T05:42:18 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-24T05:43:51 < dongs> ugh 2014-09-24T05:43:59 < dongs> altium latest version still has polygon manager crash cockup 2014-09-24T05:54:03 < gxti> looks like either switching to freertos fixed my thread hang bug when flooding with packets, or i inadvertently fixed my code in the process. either way i'm happy. 2014-09-24T05:55:46 < dongs> pfft 2014-09-24T06:21:56 < gxti> spoke too soon, this one locks up the network thread instead 2014-09-24T06:22:11 < gxti> probably just my sloppy queue bullshit to get it wired up 2014-09-24T06:35:01 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T06:36:00 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T06:39:20 -!- Alfonzo80 [~nodebot@li604-225.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-24T06:48:32 -!- Albert87 [~selbyk@li604-225.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T07:05:23 < dongs> The means that with all 24 data pins running DDR mode at 268.5MHz, a pixel resolution of 2560x1600 (WQXGA) can be supported with 30bpp (bits per pixel) color depth at 60Hz refresh. 2014-09-24T07:05:26 < dongs> fucking finally 2014-09-24T07:07:09 < englishman> can anyone recommend a cheap small ( high freq and high Vin usually dont go togtther 2014-09-24T07:08:32 < englishman> i came across LMR12010 2014-09-24T07:08:44 < dongs> that doesnt sound like anything you'd be able to buy anywehre 2014-09-24T07:08:49 < dongs> check: MPS, richtek 2014-09-24T07:09:02 < dongs> https://www.monolithicpower.com/ 2014-09-24T07:09:16 < dongs> https://www.monolithicpower.com/Products/Parametric-Search?categoryID=50/ 2014-09-24T07:09:17 < englishman> from ti, but $ on digikey 2014-09-24T07:09:34 < dongs> haha simpleswitcher 2014-09-24T07:09:57 < dongs> wow, kinda impress 2014-09-24T07:10:01 < dongs> lemme see if its around 2014-09-24T07:15:19 < englishman> https://www.monolithicpower.com/Products/Product-Detail?ProductID=153 2014-09-24T07:15:33 < dongs> LMR12010 is $1 @ 100 2014-09-24T07:15:48 < dongs> englishman: too many parts on mps 2014-09-24T07:16:00 < englishman> mp4462 isnt at digikey at all 2014-09-24T07:16:03 < dongs> but looks nice 2014-09-24T07:16:27 < englishman> lmr is $3.5 at digikey 2014-09-24T07:16:27 < dongs> wahts the part# for QFN10 2014-09-24T07:16:36 < dongs> there's also clones of LMR 2014-09-24T07:16:40 < dongs> for lot less than $1 2014-09-24T07:16:51 < englishman> MP4462DQ 2014-09-24T07:17:02 < englishman> ooh link? 2014-09-24T07:17:15 < dongs> i mean 2014-09-24T07:17:21 < dongs> my chiangirl is warning me that thres cheap clones 2014-09-24T07:18:20 -!- Albert87 [~selbyk@li604-225.members.linode.com] has quit [K-Lined] 2014-09-24T07:18:37 < englishman> did you tell her "awesome" 2014-09-24T07:21:08 < dongs> yes 2014-09-24T07:21:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T07:21:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-24T07:21:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T07:21:55 < dongs> mps is same price 2014-09-24T07:23:00 < englishman> 2 diodes on the ti tho 2014-09-24T07:23:12 < englishman> but less crap overall 2014-09-24T07:26:29 < dongs> some of the shit on MPS isnt needed 2014-09-24T07:26:34 < dongs> like dumb precision pulldowns on EN etc 2014-09-24T07:26:43 < dongs> but it has that compensation loop shit 2014-09-24T07:26:45 < dongs> as all MPS stuff 2014-09-24T07:28:28 < dongs> man, 4mhz switcher. 2014-09-24T07:28:28 < dongs> nice 2014-09-24T07:28:31 < dongs> thats some innovation 2014-09-24T07:29:12 < englishman> furiously mathsing 2014-09-24T07:39:52 < englishman> hmm 53% efficiency 2014-09-24T07:39:58 < dongs> wut 2014-09-24T07:40:07 < dongs> arent all switchers like in high 90s 2014-09-24T07:40:15 < englishman> negatory 2014-09-24T07:40:17 < dongs> or under shitty load only 2014-09-24T07:40:29 < englishman> 64% at 11.5vin 2014-09-24T07:40:37 < englishman> @1a 2014-09-24T07:41:21 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-24T07:43:25 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/NBC12429FNR2/NBC12429FNR2OSCT-ND/644009 lol 2014-09-24T07:46:22 < emeb_mac> lol plcc 2014-09-24T07:46:28 < emeb_mac> so retro 2014-09-24T07:46:56 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T07:54:22 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T07:57:42 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T08:07:00 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T08:07:37 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-24T08:16:29 < dongs> got that metcal for 85bux 2014-09-24T08:16:34 < dongs> power supply 2014-09-24T08:16:39 < dongs> now will need to get a handle 2014-09-24T08:41:53 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T08:58:35 < emeb_mac> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17017364/2014-09-23%2022.37.48.jpg 2014-09-24T08:58:46 < emeb_mac> RF board w/ SMD shields 2014-09-24T09:03:59 < akaWolf> emeb_mac: beaglebone? 2014-09-24T09:04:01 < akaWolf> cape 2014-09-24T09:04:05 < emeb_mac> ya 2014-09-24T09:06:32 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-24T09:15:19 < emeb_mac> Cortex M7. Double-precision FPU. 2014-09-24T09:15:21 < emeb_mac> AXI bus 2014-09-24T09:19:21 < akaWolf> nice 2014-09-24T09:20:02 < emeb_mac> wonder when those will hit the regular distys... 2014-09-24T09:22:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T10:10:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-24T10:10:47 < Sync> dongs: wat 30bpp and wqxga 2014-09-24T10:11:15 < dongs> yes 2014-09-24T10:11:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T10:12:05 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T10:24:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-24T10:43:29 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host109-146-22-11.range109-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T11:03:33 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host109-146-22-11.range109-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-24T11:04:16 < dongs> fucking altidong 2014-09-24T11:04:23 < dongs> add a new rule, priotities get reset 2014-09-24T11:04:25 < dongs> what hte fuck 2014-09-24T11:10:04 < ossifrage> I there a standard C intrinsic for the cortex-m0 bics instruction? 2014-09-24T11:10:48 < ossifrage> grep isn't finding it in the gcc-arm-non-eabi code 2014-09-24T11:11:09 < jpa-> ossifrage: most optimizing compilers will recognize foobar &= ~0x08; etc. 2014-09-24T11:11:59 < ossifrage> (I'm too used to TI compilers that you have to kick them in the head to get them to use the right intrinsic 2014-09-24T11:32:57 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T11:35:47 < PaulFertser> Duh, OpenOCD's "profile" command is really useful, despite low enough sampling rate and lack of call graphs. Just "profile 10 out.gmon" and then "gprof your.elf out.gmon" and you see the picture, helps here. 2014-09-24T11:36:47 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T11:47:00 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T11:49:01 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, has been nice for me also 2014-09-24T11:49:42 < jpa-> then when i want to dig deeper into why some function is taking long, i use the dwt macros to reset cyccnt at start of function, and then step and check it at points 2014-09-24T11:50:06 < dongs> from chinese datasheet 2014-09-24T11:50:08 < dongs> "SPECISICATIONFORAPPROVOL" 2014-09-24T11:50:38 < jpa-> dongs: DOYOUAPPROVOLOFOURSPECISICATION??? 2014-09-24T12:08:04 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-24T12:08:49 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T12:14:42 -!- phantone [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T12:15:20 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-24T12:16:56 < ossifrage> My favorite is failed machine translation, stuff like a menu with the english translation something like 'eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee' 2014-09-24T12:19:48 -!- candrian [~candrian@79.107.121.43] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T12:19:48 -!- candrian is now known as mitsakos 2014-09-24T12:20:45 < mitsakos> hello i'm looking for a ready to compile SSD1289 - STM32F4 Discovery project 2014-09-24T12:25:25 < dongs> mitsakos: google ssd1289 tarduino, then take teh codez 2014-09-24T12:25:31 < dongs> chances of any pro using that w/stm32f4 are pretty low 2014-09-24T12:26:09 < dongs> also you arent being specific what kinda interface 2014-09-24T12:26:15 < dongs> SPI, or 16bit stuff etc. 2014-09-24T12:29:23 < dongs> http://www.geeetech.com/wiki/images/1/1d/3.2TFT-uno.jpg yesss 2014-09-24T12:32:16 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-24T12:37:52 -!- mitsakos [~candrian@79.107.121.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-24T12:46:13 -!- mitsakos [~candrian@79.107.121.43] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T12:46:37 < mitsakos> dongs sorry i lost my connection 2014-09-24T12:46:56 < mitsakos> i want to interface it using fsmc 2014-09-24T12:47:44 < mitsakos> i want a ready to compile simple project including the lcd driver in order to step on and start building my own projects 2014-09-24T12:49:25 < dongs> https://code.google.com/p/stm32radio/source/browse/trunk/stm32radio_examples/examples/4_gui_two_panels/ssd1289.c?r=142 2014-09-24T12:50:29 < dongs> looks legit 2014-09-24T12:50:37 < dongs> just read through it and fix formatting and done 2014-09-24T12:51:02 < Laurenceb> stm32radio?! 2014-09-24T12:51:17 < mitsakos> are you available to give me some help? 2014-09-24T12:51:30 < mitsakos> i have tried this code http://www.element14.com/community/groups/development-tools/blog/2012/05/26/stm32f4-discovery-hy32d-tft-lcd 2014-09-24T12:51:46 -!- phantone [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-24T12:52:02 < mitsakos> i compile and i flash it with success but the LCD doesn't react 2014-09-24T12:52:18 < mitsakos> i have modified the main function to just clear the LCD and prin it RED 2014-09-24T12:52:21 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T12:52:36 < dongs> teh .c file i pasted is all you need to do lcd 2014-09-24T12:52:42 < mitsakos> i have double checked the connections and all goes as described in the article 2014-09-24T12:52:53 < dongs> there's 8.9megs of shit in that other .rar and i dont feel lke downloading it 2014-09-24T12:53:52 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-24T12:55:58 < mitsakos> it is big enough because it includes the STM32 libraries as well 2014-09-24T13:04:21 -!- mitsakos [~candrian@79.107.121.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-24T13:04:50 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T13:04:59 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-24T13:06:12 -!- mitsakos [~candrian@adsl-111.79.107.135.tellas.gr] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T13:12:58 < dongs> duno man, i dont see where the problem is 2014-09-24T13:17:28 -!- mitsakos [~candrian@adsl-111.79.107.135.tellas.gr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2014-09-24T13:17:56 -!- mitsakos [~candrian@adsl-111.79.107.135.tellas.gr] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T13:20:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/24/arm_cortex_m7/ 2014-09-24T13:20:23 < Laurenceb> nice 2014-09-24T13:21:47 < karlp> so, why haven't any of you shared the slides yet? 2014-09-24T13:21:56 < karlp> its no longer under embargo, surely one of you has it? 2014-09-24T13:22:42 -!- mitsakos [~candrian@adsl-111.79.107.135.tellas.gr] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-24T13:24:01 < Laurenceb> lol the slide 2014-09-24T13:24:06 < jpa-> and where is stm32f7? 2014-09-24T13:24:08 < Laurenceb> "PX4 autopilot" 2014-09-24T13:24:51 < jpa-> sounds nuttx 2014-09-24T13:25:23 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-24T13:28:23 -!- alan5 [~quassel@10-253-3-31-anc.floodtel.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T13:38:52 < zyp> «The M7 has a six-stage superscalar pipeline, with branch prediction, compared to the M4's three-stage, and runs the usual 32-bit ARMv7 instruction set.» huh 2014-09-24T13:39:25 < GargantuaSauce> and double fpu 2014-09-24T13:39:49 < zyp> sounds like it's going to have a bunch of overlap with lowend cortex-a 2014-09-24T13:40:35 < zyp> or cortex-r: «You can also use two M7 cores in lock step» 2014-09-24T13:41:58 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T13:42:17 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-24T13:43:38 < Laurenceb> arg windoze 2014-09-24T13:43:46 < Laurenceb> "text file busy" 2014-09-24T13:44:02 < dongs> px4 autofaild 2014-09-24T13:44:29 < Laurenceb> how do i force file sync to an active directory? 2014-09-24T13:45:00 < zyp> http://arm.com/products/processors/cortex-m/cortex-m7-processor.php <- according to this it's still ARMv7-M, which implies thumb only 2014-09-24T13:47:42 < Steffanx> Isn't cortex-m all thumb-(2) ? 2014-09-24T13:48:16 < zyp> yep 2014-09-24T13:48:32 < karlp> what's that new AXI bus going to help wtih? 2014-09-24T13:48:35 < zyp> but look at what I quoted earlier 2014-09-24T13:48:43 < zyp> karlp, faster memory access 2014-09-24T13:48:51 < zyp> IIRC it's 64-bit 2014-09-24T13:49:24 < karlp> http://www.arm.com/products/system-ip/amba/amba-open-specifications.php is kinda marketyspeak 2014-09-24T13:50:05 < zyp> AXI is what cortex-a is using 2014-09-24T13:50:31 < zyp> with bridges to AHB just like how we have bridges from AHB to APB 2014-09-24T13:51:59 < zyp> jpa-, also, stm32f7 is here: http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1858 2014-09-24T13:53:00 < zyp> «STM32 F7 series is pin-to-pin compatible to the STM32 F4 series» 2014-09-24T13:53:48 < dongs> lol istehre any datasheets yet 2014-09-24T13:54:09 < zyp> no, just the databrief: http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/data_brief/DM00116941.pdf 2014-09-24T13:54:24 < zyp> uh, that looks like a full datasheet 2014-09-24T13:54:25 < zyp> wat 2014-09-24T13:55:38 < jpa-> nah, lacks electrical specs 2014-09-24T13:55:56 < dongs> ohh, spdif in 2014-09-24T13:56:24 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-24T13:56:50 < qyx_> lqfp100 is the smallest package? 2014-09-24T13:56:55 < zyp> apparently 2014-09-24T13:57:01 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T13:57:08 < dongs> no, BGAs are smaller 2014-09-24T13:57:13 < qyx_> wanna qfn16 2014-09-24T13:57:23 < dongs> 10x10 2014-09-24T13:57:26 < dongs> lots of ballz 2014-09-24T13:57:34 < jpa-> apparently the new use for fuck-you-sram is "TCM RAM for critical real time data" 2014-09-24T13:57:39 < zyp> wlcsp143 is smaller 2014-09-24T13:58:06 < dongs> TFBGA216 looks good 2014-09-24T13:58:08 < dongs> 0.8mm pitch 2014-09-24T13:58:08 < jpa-> pin compatible with F4 is very nice 2014-09-24T13:58:11 < dongs> doable t ahome 2014-09-24T13:58:16 < dongs> at 2014-09-24T13:59:33 < jpa-> wait, "TCM RAM is accessible by the GP-DMAs" 2014-09-24T13:59:40 < zyp> «dedicated usb power» is apparently a thing now, wonder how that works 2014-09-24T14:01:42 < zyp> looks like qspi interface has a «memory mapped mode» 2014-09-24T14:02:35 < zyp> oh 2014-09-24T14:02:35 < zyp> For example, when device is powered at 1.8V, an 2014-09-24T14:02:36 < zyp> independent power supply 3.3V can be connected to VDDUSB. 2014-09-24T14:02:39 < zyp> that's useful 2014-09-24T14:02:55 < qyx_> hm 2014-09-24T14:03:11 < qyx_> so code execution from external nor should be possible? 2014-09-24T14:03:16 < qyx_> *spi nor flash 2014-09-24T14:03:33 < jpa-> yeah it says it can run code from quadspi flash 2014-09-24T14:04:21 < zyp> the cpu finally having proper cache helps 2014-09-24T14:04:24 < qyx_> nice 2014-09-24T14:04:37 < zyp> should be more feasible running code via FMC too 2014-09-24T14:05:11 < jpa-> i wonder how they did that the TCM (new CCM) can be accessed by dma 2014-09-24T14:05:47 < zyp> «At startup, the boot memory space is selected by the BOOT0 pin and BOOT_ADDx option bytes, allowing to program any boot memory address from 0x0000 0000 to 0x3FFF FFFF» 2014-09-24T14:06:29 < jpa-> that is both nice and a bit problematic; boot0 nolonger is a safe way to recover from any brickage? 2014-09-24T14:07:13 < zyp> hard to say 2014-09-24T14:07:52 < zyp> old behavior used to be boot0=1 -> bootloader, boot0=0 -> flash or sram depending on boot1 2014-09-24T14:15:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-24T14:19:50 < zyp> jpa-, page 14 2014-09-24T14:20:05 < zyp> look at the top line in the bus matrix 2014-09-24T14:20:28 < zyp> goes into the cpu through the AHBS port, and then accesses DTCM through the cpu's interface 2014-09-24T14:29:35 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T14:31:46 < jpa-> so cpu is also a slave? :) 2014-09-24T14:32:39 < zyp> the S in AHBS probably means slave 2014-09-24T14:32:51 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-24T15:35:37 < Claude> hehe dongs , new stuff from ardu errhmmm altium : http://imgur.com/hJs60aU 2014-09-24T15:36:20 < dongs> isnt that old 2014-09-24T15:37:27 < Claude> ? just saw it on everybodys lowstandard arduino hack blog (HaD) 2014-09-24T15:37:43 < karlp> why is that an imgur link, not just a link to circuitmaker.com? 2014-09-24T15:38:03 < Claude> because of the stm32 arduino thing 2014-09-24T15:38:48 < jpa-> what? 2014-09-24T15:39:03 < jpa-> isn't it just a screenshot of http://circuitmaker.com/#free_and_extendable 2014-09-24T15:39:09 < Claude> it is 2014-09-24T15:39:22 < Steffanx> circuitsmaker is this new free altium thing or .. what? 2014-09-24T15:39:36 < Claude> yeah 2014-09-24T15:39:38 < Steffanx> *circuitmaker 2014-09-24T15:39:47 < jpa-> eaglekiller 2014-09-24T15:40:19 < Steffanx> no, real makers use lunix or os x 2014-09-24T15:40:30 < Steffanx> this looks windows only 2014-09-24T15:40:34 < Claude> ubuntu , they use ubuntu 2014-09-24T15:42:10 < karlp> god, what braneded moron made bsearch take a sizet for number of array elements, but lsearch/lfind take a _pointer_ to a sizet for the number of elements 2014-09-24T15:42:17 < karlp> thanks posix 2014-09-24T15:43:04 < dongs> wait waht 2014-09-24T15:43:09 < dongs> why is thee a screenshot of arduino stm32 2014-09-24T15:43:10 < dongs> on that page 2014-09-24T15:43:42 < Claude> i guess altium tries to attract the "makers" to its products 2014-09-24T15:44:03 < Claude> so this free altium designer thing 2014-09-24T15:44:39 < jpa-> karlp: lsearch updates the array size 2014-09-24T15:45:53 < karlp> lfind doesn't 2014-09-24T15:45:59 < Claude> btw eagle 7 just intruduced hirarchical schematics , welcome to 1999 eagle 2014-09-24T15:46:05 < jpa-> karlp: i wonder if lfind/lsearch() would ever be simpler than just a for loop? 2014-09-24T15:46:15 < karlp> lfind doesnðt, but still needs the pointer 2014-09-24T15:46:37 < karlp> well, I'm currently trying to see if I can make something with lfind that doesn't need to be a custom loop for each different structure 2014-09-24T15:47:00 * karlp shrugs, I've got a loop, it's reasonable, just playing with it a bit 2014-09-24T15:49:28 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pfxnyuzssciccyzo] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T15:53:16 < Laurenceb> arduino stm32 2014-09-24T15:53:17 < Laurenceb> wut 2014-09-24T16:02:43 -!- alan5 [~quassel@10-253-3-31-anc.floodtel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-24T16:03:18 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-24T16:04:32 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-126-153.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T16:08:42 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-24T16:09:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T16:10:44 < karlp> jpa-: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/136063/41156414/ works, fwiw 2014-09-24T16:12:03 < karlp> bsearch requires them to be sorted, but qsort requires comparing two objects, no chance to pass in the offset tricks. 2014-09-24T16:12:25 < karlp> hrm, qsort_r would work though 2014-09-24T16:16:01 < karlp> but qsort_r isn't posix or anything at all. 2014-09-24T16:39:26 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T16:40:12 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-24T16:47:25 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-24T16:50:14 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-126-153.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T16:51:38 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-24T16:52:07 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-126-153.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T16:56:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T17:02:29 < gxti> i can't seem to get the synchronization logic quite right on this ethernet reception 2014-09-24T17:04:08 < gxti> e.g. putting a sigil into a queue from the ethernet interrupt works, until i flood the crap out of it with packets then it seems to get 'behind' so packet 2 arriving triggers it to receive packet 1 2014-09-24T17:04:19 -!- shawnn [~shawnn@216.239.45.66] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-24T17:04:28 < gxti> but apparently it's not that the queue is full, i made a counter for that and it stays at 0 2014-09-24T17:04:37 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@176.227.212.234] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T17:05:19 < gxti> if i make it poll for packets anyway every 100ms then it's fine but it feels wrong 2014-09-24T17:06:38 < qyx_> you are reworking the whole thing for the third time, aren't you? 2014-09-24T17:07:02 < qyx_> or what was the flow, chibios -> nosys -> freertos 2014-09-24T17:07:23 < gxti> coos was the 2nd one, and i needed to because i had weird scheduler bugs that crashed everything randomly 2014-09-24T17:07:32 < gxti> so far great success, even with this dirty workaround 2014-09-24T17:07:33 < qyx_> i forgot 2014-09-24T17:07:42 < gxti> it only took a day 2014-09-24T17:07:56 -!- alan5 [~quassel@host86-129-126-153.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-24T17:08:28 < gxti> still using the same peripheral code i had before, just swapped out the rtos calls 2014-09-24T17:08:32 < qyx_> the next step is to use uclinux 2014-09-24T17:09:00 < qyx_> oh, ideal time for trying out M7 2014-09-24T17:09:07 < gxti> yes m7 2014-09-24T17:09:11 < gxti> :p 2014-09-24T17:10:15 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T17:11:46 < Steffanx> what was the reason to move away from chibios gxti? 2014-09-24T17:11:57 < Steffanx> you've probably said it before, but .. i forgot 2014-09-24T17:12:37 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@176.227.212.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-24T17:12:51 < Steffanx> or was that " and i needed to because i had weird scheduler bugs that crashed everything randomly" 2014-09-24T17:18:35 < gxti> no, that was coos 2014-09-24T17:19:39 < qyx_> i suspect licensing issues :X 2014-09-24T17:22:41 < Steffanx> that cant be it.. freertos license isn't better afaik 2014-09-24T17:23:02 < gxti> it's not, however freertos has more useful core stuff that means i don't need to modify it anyway 2014-09-24T17:23:37 < gxti> e.g. when i dropped it chibios lacked a way to receive from multiple queues in one thread 2014-09-24T17:26:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T17:28:31 < qyx_> btw is there a mechanism in chibios to allow "copied" mailboxes? 2014-09-24T17:28:42 < qyx_> like object queue (fifo) 2014-09-24T17:29:13 < qyx_> i remember freertos had something similar and i couldn't find anything similar in chibios 2014-09-24T17:29:19 < gxti> i don't recall 2014-09-24T17:31:25 < qyx_> yep, i see in freertos docs that you can create queue of items of arbitrary size 2014-09-24T17:31:45 < qyx_> chibios can only put pointers on queues 2014-09-24T17:31:58 < Laurenceb> whats the converse of "touch -d '2 hours ago'" ? 2014-09-24T17:32:08 < Laurenceb> if i want a timestamp in the future? 2014-09-24T17:32:43 -!- rewolff [~wolff@ip113-99-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-24T17:33:05 < gxti> just '2 hours' 2014-09-24T17:33:10 < Laurenceb> oh 2014-09-24T17:33:12 < gxti> or '-2 hours ago' if you want to be cheeky 2014-09-24T17:34:24 < Laurenceb> lol 2014-09-24T17:34:45 < Laurenceb> thanks 2014-09-24T17:35:03 < Sync> thunderbird actually will say tomorrow on mails from the future 2014-09-24T17:35:39 < Laurenceb> thats what you call futureproof 2014-09-24T17:36:01 < gxti> no, futureproof is software that works when you set the year to 10,000 2014-09-24T17:36:11 < Laurenceb> i was joking 2014-09-24T17:36:13 < gxti> which is a surprising amount of software actually 2014-09-24T17:36:21 < gxti> on lunix anyway 2014-09-24T17:36:54 < gxti> i know this because many years ago a customer filed a bug report because our shit was crashing, they somehow did exactly that and some format we used relied on the size of the formatted date 2014-09-24T17:37:06 < Sync> oh wow 2014-09-24T17:37:09 < gxti> they somehow did it without noticing 2014-09-24T17:37:16 < Sync> who the fuck would set shit to year 10000 2014-09-24T17:37:22 < gxti> idiot customers 2014-09-24T17:37:55 < Sync> pffft 2014-09-24T17:38:00 < gxti> but it mostly works 2014-09-24T17:38:07 < Sync> "cannot reproduce, works for me" 2014-09-24T17:38:25 < gxti> even ntpd works, it just syncs to time modulo 2^32 2014-09-24T17:45:29 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T17:46:13 < karlp> is that actually working though? 2014-09-24T17:47:11 < gxti> it's the best possible behavior given that the protocol has no way to express a longer range. otherwise it would stop working completely in a few decades. 2014-09-24T17:48:05 < jpa-> doesn't ntpd refuse setting date anyway if it is more than a few days off? 2014-09-24T17:48:25 < jpa-> so a requirement of having the date correct to +- 60 years doesn't seem too bad 2014-09-24T17:49:08 < gxti> usually on startup it will make any adjustment no matter how large, then once ntpd is running it's more like 15 seconds before it panics 2014-09-24T17:58:36 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-198.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T17:59:36 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-78-12-236-53.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-24T17:59:36 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2014-09-24T18:07:36 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-24T18:28:42 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T18:29:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-24T18:34:36 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-24T18:58:02 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T19:00:56 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@dhcp-185100.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T19:01:26 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2014-09-24T19:01:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-24T19:03:32 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T19:05:06 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-24T19:06:58 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2014-09-24T19:08:46 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T19:10:42 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T19:14:20 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T19:15:39 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-24T19:17:17 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T19:18:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T19:27:42 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T19:28:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.10.100] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T19:31:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka_ [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-24T19:36:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pfxnyuzssciccyzo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-24T19:45:32 < zyp> got some shit from electrodragon now 2014-09-24T19:47:06 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-24T19:47:16 < Steffanx> what what? 2014-09-24T19:50:08 < englishman> guessing wifi shits? 2014-09-24T19:52:39 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T20:02:17 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-24T20:16:57 -!- Devilholk [~devilholk@luder.nu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-24T20:17:56 -!- Devilholk [~devilholk@luder.nu] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T20:20:32 -!- ubuntu__1 [~ubuntu@CPE002191edd529-CM001bd7aa324e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2014-09-24T20:45:25 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T20:48:02 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/b9NdPiT.jpg 2014-09-24T20:48:29 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T20:51:34 < Steffanx> Yeah, i like it. 2014-09-24T20:52:14 < Steffanx> satellite payload of 15kg :) 2014-09-24T20:53:18 < Steffanx> Now all we need is a good bollywood movie.. 2014-09-24T20:56:31 < zyp> well, movies tend to make back the investment 2014-09-24T20:56:46 < karlp> hahah 2014-09-24T20:56:51 < karlp> if you're fucking lucky 2014-09-24T20:57:14 < dongs> geez you guys are no fun 2014-09-24T20:57:16 < dongs> goin to sleep 2014-09-24T20:59:33 < Steffanx> have fun in dreamland dongs 2014-09-24T21:06:15 < gnomad> And that, folks, is why we see so many movies written to a formula to generate return on investment. 2014-09-24T21:08:15 < Steffanx> Too bad the industry is all messed up by all those movie rippers and downloading guys. 2014-09-24T21:11:16 < englishman> lol 2014-09-24T21:12:49 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T21:12:51 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-24T21:16:18 -!- alan5 [~quassel@176.227.212.234] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T21:19:22 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T21:44:57 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-40.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T22:22:31 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T22:29:32 < karlp> Steffanx: that's the least of their problems 2014-09-24T22:29:48 < karlp> regardless of what they try and say 2014-09-24T22:29:56 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-180-40.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-24T22:33:03 < karlp> heh, libusbg decided to use libconfig, because "fuck those yaml json xml things that other people use, let's some random library that's _like_ json or yaml, but isn't" 2014-09-24T22:44:18 < Steffanx> maybe because.. xml is too verbose, json can be cryptic 2014-09-24T22:44:27 < Steffanx> comments could be useful in configs imho 2014-09-24T22:51:18 < amstan> upgrdman: hey 2014-09-24T22:53:24 < amstan> upgrdman: we fixed it, we missed the POE bit, thanks for your snippet, here's our change: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/#/c/219570/ 2014-09-24T22:59:57 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T23:01:24 < zyp> amstan, MOE you mean? 2014-09-24T23:01:31 < amstan> zyp: yes, sorry 2014-09-24T23:01:39 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-242-198.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-24T23:01:57 < zyp> it's not unique to stm32f0, but it's unique to the advanced timers 2014-09-24T23:02:03 < zyp> i.e. only TIM1 and TIM8 2014-09-24T23:02:11 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-251-168.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T23:02:30 < zyp> so if you're porting something that worked on TIM2 on another chip to TIM1 on your chip, that's a required change 2014-09-24T23:04:33 < zyp> amstan, hmm, you're porting code from stm32l 2014-09-24T23:04:45 < zyp> looks like l151 doesn't have TIM1/TIM8 2014-09-24T23:04:51 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-24T23:04:59 < amstan> zyp: it's porting from a bunch of places 2014-09-24T23:05:22 < zyp> I'm just referring to «TODO(shawnn): BDTR is undocumented on STM32L.» 2014-09-24T23:05:42 < zyp> it's undocumented because stm32l doesn't have advanced timers 2014-09-24T23:05:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T23:05:56 < zyp> it's also undocumented on non-advanced timers om stm32f 2014-09-24T23:06:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T23:06:56 < zyp> and setting it should not be harmful on any part, the timers are all following a common register pattern with bits for non-existing features being ignored 2014-09-24T23:07:01 < amstan> zyp: our drivers are kinda built to wok on all platforms 2014-09-24T23:07:20 < zyp> I get that, I'm just trying to clarify this for you :) 2014-09-24T23:07:24 < amstan> yep 2014-09-24T23:14:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-24T23:16:34 -!- Viper168_ is now known as Viper168 2014-09-24T23:19:22 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@dhcp-185100.eduroam.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-24T23:25:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.10.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-24T23:27:47 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-129-129-230.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-24T23:29:55 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-24T23:45:22 < qyx_> bit error stories #4 2014-09-24T23:45:27 < qyx_> interesting pattern https://pastee.org/kjbun 2014-09-24T23:46:05 < qyx_> i can see that most of the errors are bit flippings from 1 to 0, not the othre way around 2014-09-24T23:46:28 < qyx_> with the exception of the last bit 2014-09-24T23:47:11 < englishman> theres one in line 5? 2014-09-24T23:47:32 < englishman> if im reading this right 2014-09-24T23:47:56 < qyx_> also the 17th bit is flipping from 0 to 1 exactly every 50 lines 2014-09-24T23:48:12 < englishman> line 81 has the end of the packet shifted 2014-09-24T23:48:17 < qyx_> englishman: yes, there are occasional exceptions 2014-09-24T23:48:28 < qyx_> which are normal on radio 2014-09-24T23:48:46 < qyx_> but that amount of errors is definitelly not normal 2014-09-24T23:49:15 < englishman> still this is very close range right 2014-09-24T23:49:22 < englishman> ya certainly 2014-09-24T23:49:30 < qyx_> the 17th column is huh, you can see it if you scroll faster 2014-09-24T23:50:08 < englishman> it's fsk? 2014-09-24T23:50:20 < qyx_> gmsk 2014-09-24T23:51:40 < qyx_> but even if it was fsk with greater deviation & noise, how could happen that the error occurs exactly on the same position every time 2014-09-24T23:52:02 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-24T23:56:38 < amstan> qyx_: woah, where's that from? 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2014-09-25T06:24:55 < emeb_mac> what's keeping you from testing? 2014-09-25T06:25:19 < emeb_mac> that would do it 2014-09-25T06:26:13 < emeb_mac> need generators, network analyzers, etc? 2014-09-25T06:27:17 < emeb_mac> most spectrum analyzers these days have a pretty good power measurment function 2014-09-25T06:27:22 < emeb_mac> integrates over frequency 2014-09-25T06:27:52 < emeb_mac> meh 2014-09-25T06:28:06 < emeb_mac> my Agilent E4403 does it 2014-09-25T06:28:17 < emeb_mac> those are pretty cheap 2014-09-25T06:28:23 < emeb_mac> what bandwidth you need? 2014-09-25T06:29:11 < emeb_mac> how wide is the instantaneous signal you look at for the power measurement? 2014-09-25T06:30:23 < emeb_mac> 4402B I guess - http://www.keysight.com/en/pd-1000002786%3Aepsg%3Apro-pn-E4402B/esa-e-spectrum-analyzer-100-hz-to-30-ghz?cc=US&lc=eng 2014-09-25T06:30:41 < emeb_mac> ah - 6gig will require something different 2014-09-25T06:31:23 < emeb_mac> sometimes yes 2014-09-25T06:31:25 < emeb_mac> vector? 2014-09-25T06:31:37 < emeb_mac> too rich for my blood 2014-09-25T06:31:43 < emeb_mac> personal project or work? 2014-09-25T06:32:09 < emeb_mac> lol 2014-09-25T06:32:54 < emeb_mac> we're all halliburton stockholders you know 2014-09-25T06:36:09 < dongs> are there any vidoes of it acutally working 2014-09-25T06:36:21 < dongs> wtf 2014-09-25T06:36:22 < dongs> P1.AVI 2014-09-25T06:38:05 < emeb_mac> I use my rf equip for work and personal stuff 2014-09-25T06:38:31 < emeb_mac> but all I have is that analyzer plus a sweeper 2014-09-25T06:38:44 < emeb_mac> good enough for rough testing 2014-09-25T06:42:22 < zyp> emeb_mac, done anything fun with those esp modules yet? 2014-09-25T06:42:39 < zyp> I received mine today 2014-09-25T06:42:46 < emeb_mac> zyp: tried one out the other night 2014-09-25T06:43:09 < emeb_mac> got it to see all the APs in my area but couldn't confirm that it actually associated 2014-09-25T06:43:29 < emeb_mac> I was just ploinking with a terminal prog 2014-09-25T06:43:49 < emeb_mac> need to have some code actually talking to setup / teardown a real socket connection 2014-09-25T06:44:27 < emeb_mac> R2COM: camera that checks the footprint / orientation? 2014-09-25T06:44:35 < zyp> I haven't powered up mine yet 2014-09-25T06:45:00 < emeb_mac> zyp: go to the electrodragon site and recheck 2014-09-25T06:45:16 < emeb_mac> they updated the design and there are different hookups than the previous design 2014-09-25T06:45:27 < zyp> I was thinking about hooking up an LA to the SPI flash, but I need to get the LA back from a friend who's borrowing it first 2014-09-25T06:45:29 < emeb_mac> need to pull a couple pins high 2014-09-25T06:45:40 < zyp> oh 2014-09-25T06:45:48 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-25T06:45:51 < zyp> still doesn't have swd broken out, I guess? 2014-09-25T06:45:55 < emeb_mac> also there are a couple diagnostic LEDs on 2014-09-25T06:46:01 < emeb_mac> no swd 2014-09-25T06:46:01 < zyp> yeah, I saw that 2014-09-25T06:46:22 < emeb_mac> the four interior pins are a couple gpio plus a reset and boot select 2014-09-25T06:46:29 < zyp> I'm planning to attempt wiring up the swd pads on mine 2014-09-25T06:46:37 < emeb_mac> the reset and boot select need to be pulled up 2014-09-25T06:47:00 < zyp> I suspect swd is on the flash side, just to make that extra fun :p 2014-09-25T06:47:11 < emeb_mac> is it true swd? 2014-09-25T06:47:14 < dongs> R2COM: holy fuck that is SLOW 2014-09-25T06:47:26 < zyp> what do you mean? 2014-09-25T06:48:19 < emeb_mac> zyp: swd as in ARM? 2014-09-25T06:48:30 < zyp> well, isn't it a cortex-m inside? 2014-09-25T06:48:43 < dongs> R2COM: my machine is about 1 part/second when using front feeder and about 2.5/sec when back feeder 2014-09-25T06:48:45 < emeb_mac> not according to what I read 2014-09-25T06:48:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-25T06:48:49 < dongs> and thats slow 2014-09-25T06:48:56 < dongs> that german shit is fucking horrible 2014-09-25T06:49:16 < zyp> emeb_mac, uh, I'm pretty sure we concluded it's a cortex-m 2014-09-25T06:49:24 < dongs> um 2014-09-25T06:49:25 < dongs> no its not 2014-09-25T06:49:30 < dongs> its some tensilica IP shit 2014-09-25T06:49:32 < dongs> mips-ish crap 2014-09-25T06:49:35 < zyp> wat 2014-09-25T06:49:39 < dongs> that 2014-09-25T06:49:46 < dongs> theres not evne gcc for it 2014-09-25T06:49:48 < dongs> without haxing 2014-09-25T06:49:53 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T06:49:55 < emeb_mac> that 2014-09-25T06:49:57 < gxti> at that price ARM is probably too expensive 2014-09-25T06:50:04 < emeb_mac> tensilica is what I remember 2014-09-25T06:50:10 < gxti> just for the IP :p 2014-09-25T06:50:15 < dongs> http://www.esp8266.com/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=f09888234f8f5db6545294836526fecc 2014-09-25T06:50:44 < emeb_mac> but I think there is an SDK 2014-09-25T06:50:58 < dongs> 'xtensa' 2014-09-25T06:51:03 < emeb_mac> yep 2014-09-25T06:51:47 < zyp> well, that's no fun 2014-09-25T06:53:37 < emeb_mac> the TI CC3200 seems to have cortex-m 2014-09-25T06:54:01 < emeb_mac> but the devboards are like $30 and unobtainium 2014-09-25T06:54:04 < gxti> if i didn't value my sanity at least somewhat i might get some of those 2014-09-25T06:54:18 < gxti> but i already have a bag of nrf modules that i at least partly figured out 2014-09-25T06:55:44 < zyp> emeb_mac, $30 isn't bad and it says in stock 2014-09-25T06:55:53 < zyp> so it seems pretty obtainable to me 2014-09-25T06:56:07 < emeb_mac> zyp: aha - that's news. It wasn't in stock last week 2014-09-25T06:57:19 < emeb_mac> there are a lot of goodies on that chip 2014-09-25T06:57:30 < emeb_mac> could do a lot with it 2014-09-25T06:57:49 < zyp> is the radio documented or do you need to dick with a vendor stack to get it working? 2014-09-25T06:58:26 < zyp> huh 2014-09-25T06:58:39 < zyp> sounds like it contains a separate processor for that 2014-09-25T06:58:53 < emeb_mac> hard to say 2014-09-25T06:58:56 < zyp> «The SimpleLink subsystem is accessible from the Application MCU over an asynchronous link» 2014-09-25T06:59:05 < dongs> HEH 2014-09-25T06:59:09 < emeb_mac> that may be just the baseband 2014-09-25T06:59:13 < zyp> «The mode of usage is very similar to that of an external MCU using the CC3100 device.» 2014-09-25T07:00:18 < zyp> oh, wow 2014-09-25T07:00:28 < zyp> there's four cortex-m cores in it 2014-09-25T07:01:00 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/g0Ari.png 2014-09-25T07:01:09 < dongs> allt hat drm 2014-09-25T07:01:40 < dongs> why is GPRCM so huge 2014-09-25T07:03:11 < gxti> it's like threads in a rtos... need to do something? just plop down another core 2014-09-25T07:04:40 < gnomad> Does that thing have three m3 cores in addition to the m4 core? 2014-09-25T07:04:49 < gxti> and none of that weak 8080 shit, already paid for the M3 IP might as well use it 2014-09-25T07:05:42 < zyp> gnomad, apparently 2014-09-25T07:05:59 < gxti> oh see, it's "internet on chip". the whole internet is in there. 2014-09-25T07:06:15 < gxti> you definitely need 3 cores for that. 2014-09-25T07:06:55 < gnomad> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg 2014-09-25T07:07:21 < emeb_mac> dedicated pr0n processor 2014-09-25T07:08:02 < emeb_mac> zyp: ordered one yet? 2014-09-25T07:08:09 < gxti> $18 a pop and you get 64kb rom, nice 2014-09-25T07:08:34 < zyp> emeb_mac, no, not sure what I'll do with it 2014-09-25T07:09:04 < emeb_mac> there's that 2014-09-25T07:09:30 < emeb_mac> for now just figuring out how to make the esp8266 work is enough... 2014-09-25T07:09:40 < zyp> it would be fun to poke around with if I could get lowlevel access to the wifi stuff, but it's no fun when all that is locked down on dedicated cores 2014-09-25T07:10:31 < emeb_mac> no low-level hackings for you! 2014-09-25T07:13:53 -!- MrMobius [~Joey@c-98-223-189-47.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T07:26:38 < dongs> R2COM: do you autoroute buttcoin asics 2014-09-25T07:28:55 < dongs> https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage-new-products/10-gh-s-bitcoin-miner.html thats hceap 2014-09-25T07:29:00 < dongs> why is it 50 2014-09-25T07:29:25 < dongs> heating up room 2014-09-25T07:29:26 < gxti> paperweight 2014-09-25T07:30:04 < gxti> it's already obsolete even for buttcoin 2014-09-25T07:30:27 < dongs> R2COM: sha256 or somethink i think 2014-09-25T07:30:49 < dongs> apparently 2014-09-25T07:31:11 < gxti> just sha256, basically. 2014-09-25T07:31:14 < dongs> http://mineforeman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Jalapeno1.png lol 2014-09-25T07:31:20 < dongs> R2COM: just SHA 2014-09-25T07:31:24 < dongs> lots and lots of it 2014-09-25T07:31:27 < dongs> in parallel(?) 2014-09-25T07:31:32 < gxti> counter -> sha256 -> sha256 again 2014-09-25T07:31:34 < dongs> and some SPI-esque IO to get it out 2014-09-25T07:31:42 < gxti> check if value is good, if so report number back to pc 2014-09-25T07:31:49 < gxti> fuck no 2014-09-25T07:31:55 < gxti> it's obsolete and you will never get it anyway 2014-09-25T07:32:16 < gxti> http://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/09/ftcs-request-court-halts-bogus-bitcoin-mining-operation 2014-09-25T07:32:29 < dongs> https://ehash.com/product/a3222-20pcs/ 2014-09-25T07:33:14 < dongs> http://downloads.canaan-creative.com/hardware/A3222/datasheet/A3222Q56-140923-V02-EN.pdf 2014-09-25T07:34:29 < dongs> if they're fast and low power 2014-09-25T07:35:11 < zyp> power efficient is the word you're looking for 2014-09-25T07:35:12 < dongs> then you could run them 24/7 2014-09-25T07:35:13 < dongs> and make money 2014-09-25T07:35:21 < dongs> you calculate buttcoin shit 2014-09-25T07:35:29 < dongs> 1BTC = $450$ or someshit 2014-09-25T07:35:33 < gxti> and even if you succeed it'll still be obsolete before long 2014-09-25T07:35:44 < dongs> but hte problem is here 2014-09-25T07:35:47 < dongs> https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty 2014-09-25T07:35:49 < gxti> because it's not just a waste of resources, it's a waste of resources that accelerates in uselessness 2014-09-25T07:36:35 < dongs> nobody 2014-09-25T07:36:37 < gxti> google it i guess 2014-09-25T07:36:41 < zyp> it's distributed 2014-09-25T07:36:46 < gxti> use teh interbutts 2014-09-25T07:38:06 < zyp> proof of work 2014-09-25T07:38:16 < dongs> proof that you wasted $ on electricity 2014-09-25T07:38:51 < englishman> dongs: did you not see where BUTTerflylabs had their assets transferred to the courts while they are investigated for fraud 2014-09-25T07:39:02 < dongs> https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/calculator ah this 2014-09-25T07:39:09 < dongs> englishman: yea saw 2014-09-25T07:39:13 < gxti> brilliant 2014-09-25T07:39:16 < gxti> free energy 2014-09-25T07:39:21 < gxti> because it's rotating? 2014-09-25T07:39:36 < gxti> get this man a nobel prize 2014-09-25T07:39:52 < dongs> R2COM: but rotating will make the car go slower 2014-09-25T07:39:55 < dongs> and use more gas 2014-09-25T07:39:59 < dongs> and cost you more for gas 2014-09-25T07:40:01 < dongs> and stuff. 2014-09-25T07:40:10 < dongs> kinda like when you turn on aircon 2014-09-25T07:40:14 < dongs> car uses more gas 2014-09-25T07:40:17 < zyp> R2COM, the point is to brute force a value in a block of data so that the hash of the blocks starts with a given number of 0-bits 2014-09-25T07:40:19 < gxti> haha, that 'break even' column tells the story pretty clearly 2014-09-25T07:40:53 < dongs> gxti: right lol 2014-09-25T07:41:03 < dongs> BUT 2014-09-25T07:41:04 < zyp> R2COM, the number of 0s required is the difficulty, and is scaled by the total network hashrate so that one is found approximately every ten minutes, worldwide 2014-09-25T07:41:15 < dongs> R2COM can make SHA256 asic that does like 10,000GH?S 2014-09-25T07:41:19 < dongs> then its not so bad 2014-09-25T07:41:52 < zyp> so the more power everybody throw on it, the less they get back 2014-09-25T07:42:26 < zyp> you're wasting your time 2014-09-25T07:42:46 < gxti> yes, serious professional advice time: you are losing money just thinking about it 2014-09-25T07:42:54 < dongs> haha 2014-09-25T07:43:16 < zyp> there's serious money in doing this efficiently, you're never going to get close to anything with a half-assed attempt for fun 2014-09-25T07:43:53 < zyp> or to put it a different way 2014-09-25T07:43:54 < gxti> not mining 2014-09-25T07:44:00 < gxti> selling hardware to idiots, maybe 2014-09-25T07:44:11 < dongs> if you can do 10TH/s you'll be making like 8k/week 2014-09-25T07:44:20 < dongs> 8k$ 2014-09-25T07:44:21 < zyp> as long as there's money to be made, there's people piling on it until there's no money to be made 2014-09-25T07:44:32 < dongs> R2COM: you can exchange buttcoin for USD at places like coinbase etc 2014-09-25T07:44:40 < dongs> or buy shit at newegg 2014-09-25T07:44:42 < dongs> with buttcoin 2014-09-25T07:44:47 < dongs> (who just use coinbase i think) 2014-09-25T07:45:06 < englishman> R2COM: people already did, they made 50 million and ran off, and are now being pursued 2014-09-25T07:45:26 < dongs> no 2014-09-25T07:45:28 < dongs> thre's no founders 2014-09-25T07:45:30 < englishman> of butterflylabs ya 2014-09-25T07:45:32 < dongs> its some decentralized worldwide troll 2014-09-25T07:45:33 < dongs> oh 2014-09-25T07:46:15 < englishman> the people using buttcoin just pass money aroud 2014-09-25T07:46:20 < zyp> I remember I bought some bitcoin at $8 and sold at $30 three years ago 2014-09-25T07:46:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Yp0WPvE.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lFcOHxP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/AVttcOt.jpg http://i.imgur.com/l5bF1cp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/dhg3Pve.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RHZXqzU.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bgkqdiw.jpg 2014-09-25T07:46:41 < zyp> shame I didn't hold on to them until it was over $1000 2014-09-25T07:46:48 < dongs> this is what a typical butteryflylabs product looks like 2014-09-25T07:47:29 < englishman> zyp: same can be said of a lot of things 2014-09-25T07:47:34 < englishman> they could be worthless too 2014-09-25T07:47:49 < zyp> true, but it was just toy money 2014-09-25T07:47:57 < englishman> (they are, but..) 2014-09-25T07:48:11 < zyp> which would have been serious money at a hundred times it's value :p 2014-09-25T07:48:15 < gxti> R2COM: i am not exaggerating or trolling or trying to mislead you. it is a collosal waste of effort. 2014-09-25T07:48:25 < englishman> yes but 2014-09-25T07:48:29 < englishman> you could be a millionaire 2014-09-25T07:48:36 < englishman> if you gimme money 2014-09-25T07:48:50 < gxti> about tree fiddy 2014-09-25T07:49:07 < zyp> I think I still have something like 0.03 bitcoins somewhere 2014-09-25T07:49:47 < gxti> hmm when was it... about 18 months ago when shit first got bananas i bound 3 bitcoins 'under the couch' from when i was dicking around a loooong time ago, sold them immediately, easy profit 2014-09-25T07:49:54 < dongs> yes 2014-09-25T07:50:08 < dongs> thats it 2014-09-25T07:50:23 < dongs> then whatever buttcoin will remain in circulation until its all lost 2014-09-25T07:50:51 < englishman> which is also inevitable 2014-09-25T07:52:12 < englishman> sure, want some? 2014-09-25T07:52:14 < englishman> $1 each 2014-09-25T07:52:16 < englishman> guaranteed fake 2014-09-25T07:52:41 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/Uanjr 2014-09-25T07:52:45 < dongs> they did deliver some hardware 2014-09-25T07:52:49 < dongs> but i think that one is obsolete as shit now 2014-09-25T07:53:20 < dongs> It's one of the many amazing aspects of Bitcoin. 2014-09-25T07:53:20 < dongs> So many bitcoiners rail against the government and the consumer protections afforded by the modern financial system. Yet, almost every single aspect of their homemade bitcoin currency system is a cesspool of fraud, duplicity and incompetence. The power of denial is just incredible. 2014-09-25T07:53:26 < dongs> yes 2014-09-25T07:53:41 < dongs> usually trash like raspberrypi or something 2014-09-25T07:53:44 < dongs> you dont need naything cast 2014-09-25T07:53:45 < dongs> fast 2014-09-25T07:53:51 < dongs> you just need to send stuff by SPI to SHA256 2014-09-25T07:54:10 < dongs> no, the custom asic is literally just SHA256 * 100000000 on a chip 2014-09-25T07:54:13 < dongs> and some I/O 2014-09-25T07:54:37 < dongs> https://ehash.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/a3222.jpg 2014-09-25T07:54:39 < dongs> yes 2014-09-25T07:54:44 < dongs> well, or farm it off to somewehre 2014-09-25T07:54:44 < gxti> yeah but what process node? probably fairly crap considering how shitty their budget must be. maybe not 'microchip' level crap, but crap 2014-09-25T07:55:01 < dongs> oh what process, i duno these guys claim anywhere from 65nm to 28nm 2014-09-25T08:00:13 < englishman> you should loosen your tie 2014-09-25T08:06:20 < emeb_mac> dick-n-place fun @ adafruit 2014-09-25T08:06:54 < emeb_mac> R2COM needs to get one of those $300k Samsung machines 2014-09-25T08:23:02 < dongs> how many cores do you need to autoroute asic that will do 10terahashes/second 2014-09-25T08:23:21 < emeb_mac> lol buttcoin 2014-09-25T08:23:27 < dongs> lol 2014-09-25T08:27:03 < jpa-> surprisingly asic/fpga autoroute seems to work a lot better than pcb autoroute 2014-09-25T08:27:28 < dongs> pretty sure it does 2014-09-25T08:28:25 < dongs> maybe vivado shit uses more 2014-09-25T08:37:49 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T08:40:27 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T09:19:56 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@179-236.197-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T09:20:04 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T09:24:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T09:30:42 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-25T09:44:23 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-25T09:46:53 < qyx_> lol that butterflylabs miner 2014-09-25T09:47:14 < qyx_> glued usb connectors 2014-09-25T09:50:51 < emeb_mac> reinforces them from popping off the board 2014-09-25T09:51:05 < emeb_mac> should have used thru-hole jacks 2014-09-25T09:52:06 < emeb_mac> qyx_: any luck with your BER? 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He was so impressed by my Postie-around-Australia adventure, he gave me free drugs! :D 2014-09-25T13:18:28 -!- alan5 [~quassel@109.200.21.178] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T13:18:38 < GargantuaSauce> drugs are bad mkay 2014-09-25T13:20:28 < karlp> only if they don't work. 2014-09-25T13:37:10 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T13:55:29 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-25T14:20:09 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/macetech/rgb-led-shades 2014-09-25T14:24:49 < GargantuaSauce> i like the riveted pcb frame 2014-09-25T14:24:56 < GargantuaSauce> that's gonna last 2014-09-25T14:34:51 < karlp> oh, I always miss emeb. 2014-09-25T14:34:55 < karlp> thought he might like this: http://zevv.nl/play/misc/nm-visuals/ 2014-09-25T14:37:25 -!- alan5 [~quassel@109.200.21.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-25T14:43:02 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: pcbs there are mine 2014-09-25T14:45:09 < GargantuaSauce> so is it as flimsy as it looks 2014-09-25T14:45:19 < dongs> nah its pretty good 2014-09-25T14:45:33 < dongs> i saw a box of them when i was at the office few weeks ago 2014-09-25T14:45:38 < dongs> keke 2014-09-25T14:46:03 < dongs> the way it snaps together it has some structural strength 2014-09-25T14:46:13 < GargantuaSauce> huh 2014-09-25T14:46:23 < GargantuaSauce> also since when do you make arduino-compatible crap 2014-09-25T14:46:37 < GargantuaSauce> i am moderately astonished 2014-09-25T14:46:57 < dongs> i'm not directly involved ;d 2014-09-25T14:47:17 < GargantuaSauce> thought you just said you did the pcb 2014-09-25T14:47:19 < dongs> you can always throw away the arduino pcb and replace with stm32 one ;d 2014-09-25T14:47:34 < dongs> yes, as in manufacture 2014-09-25T14:47:38 < dongs> not as in design 2014-09-25T14:47:43 < GargantuaSauce> ooh 2014-09-25T14:47:52 < dongs> thus -> saw a box of them at office before they got shipped out 2014-09-25T14:48:11 < dongs> fucking ebay 2014-09-25T14:48:14 < dongs> when there's no dektec hits 2014-09-25T14:48:19 < dongs> it keeps sending me this "deltec" trash 2014-09-25T14:48:23 < dongs> which is some fucking farm equipment 2014-09-25T14:48:38 < dongs> i wonder if theres some way to turn off fuzzy search shit 2014-09-25T15:10:00 < dongs> http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/kickstarters-new-rules-creators-must-complete-projects-or-fess-n209011 2014-09-25T15:12:17 < dongs> or i guess 2014-09-25T15:12:19 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/an-update-to-our-terms-of-use 2014-09-25T15:14:08 < GargantuaSauce> i like how they top off the new section with The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers. 2014-09-25T15:14:15 < baird> Wonder if any of that is overthe MightyNum9 shit. 2014-09-25T15:14:24 < GargantuaSauce> may as well have finished with "but we aint gon' do shit" 2014-09-25T15:14:50 < baird> Currently, I think it falls on Kickstarter's pockets when a backer does a chargeback to return money. 2014-09-25T15:15:12 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-135-134-127.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T15:15:40 < dongs> baird: wats that 2014-09-25T15:17:28 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-129-129-230.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-25T15:19:36 < baird> MN9 gave access to the internal dev forums and repositories for high-investment backers. A Social Justic Cultist moderating the forums applied a blacklist from the anti-Gamergate 'cabal', and a whole lot of people who'd each given 100's found themselves denied to the stuff they'd paid for. 2014-09-25T15:20:36 < baird> MN9 Bosses denied it was a problem, and wouldn't refund. People eventually found out they could get their monies back via bank chargebacks. 2014-09-25T15:21:16 < GargantuaSauce> oh boy 2014-09-25T15:22:03 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-25T15:23:06 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T15:28:13 < dongs> In response to the arrests of three law enforcement officials in Oklahoma for sexually assaulting women while on the job, an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper told women they can avoid getting raped by a cop if they simply follow traffic laws. 2014-09-25T15:28:17 < dongs> lewl 2014-09-25T15:46:52 < Sync> wat 2014-09-25T15:49:54 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T15:56:12 < dongs> http://www.thanko.jp/sp/product/5154.html lewl 2014-09-25T16:00:22 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T16:04:30 < GargantuaSauce> much better than getting a reasonably sized device 2014-09-25T16:06:41 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-25T16:07:58 < Sync> what the fuck is wrong with her arm 2014-09-25T16:11:01 < baird> Can't take the hint that their stubby fingers means they're unfit to remain in society. 2014-09-25T16:13:19 < madist> is this one of those products that are sold apparently for one purpose but are actually for a different purpose ? 2014-09-25T16:13:52 < madist> a knobby finger and a picture of a smiling girl ... 2014-09-25T16:31:24 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T16:55:32 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-25T16:57:11 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-184-34.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T16:59:10 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-25T17:21:29 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-57-159.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-25T17:25:00 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T17:26:03 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-25T17:49:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T17:49:57 < trepidaciousMBR> Does anyone know whether the STM32F437 is identical to the 427, except for having the CRYPTO and HASH peripherals? 2014-09-25T17:56:52 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-135-134-127.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-25T17:57:08 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T18:02:48 -!- reportingsjr [~reporting@pysoy/developer/JonNeal] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T18:11:15 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: mringwal] 2014-09-25T18:17:12 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-25T18:17:50 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-140-224-182.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T18:18:14 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-25T18:23:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-25T18:33:19 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T18:43:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2014-09-25T18:43:36 < dongs> trepidaciousMBR: thats usually how it is 2014-09-25T18:43:47 < dongs> +1 in center is crypto + other export-relatedtrash 2014-09-25T18:43:56 < dongs> 405 vs 415 and shit. 2014-09-25T18:44:01 < dongs> probly covered in datasheet what hte '1' means 2014-09-25T18:48:56 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-25T18:53:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-25T19:01:07 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-184-34.host.redstation.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-25T19:01:18 -!- alan5 [~quassel@h88-150-184-34.host.redstation.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T19:02:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-25T19:03:04 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-25T19:05:53 -!- saltiresable [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-25T19:10:05 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T19:10:32 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T19:15:49 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-36-62.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-25T19:28:42 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T19:29:27 < trepidaciousMBR> dongs: Cool thanks - I think it is exactly the same, but they don't really say that clearly anywhere ;) 2014-09-25T19:30:10 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T19:32:54 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-168-19-221.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T19:33:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.0.3] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T19:44:42 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-25T19:47:36 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T19:49:58 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-25T19:53:10 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [] 2014-09-25T19:55:11 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-25T19:56:14 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T20:00:17 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-25T20:05:33 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-25T20:08:26 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@cpe-174-106-144-066.ec.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T20:23:18 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-25T20:28:00 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T20:30:12 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-25T20:34:05 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-25T21:01:44 -!- amstan [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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I just know you're gonna fail.] 2014-09-26T02:43:41 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T02:48:18 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-26T02:54:31 < dongs> no, there was a paste head but it was worthless so i took it out and traded for some feeders 2014-09-26T02:55:06 < dongs> i think the onyl good use for paste head on it would be for like glue to glue chips down 2014-09-26T02:57:31 < dongs> no, its just worthless, dispenser valve was just pressure based, its impossible to guarantee repeatability , plus it'd be useless for QFP or anything fine pitch, probly usability stops at 0805/0603 chips 2014-09-26T03:04:54 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-26T03:16:40 < dongs> of course you use stencil 2014-09-26T03:16:43 < dongs> its dumb any other way 2014-09-26T03:17:06 < dongs> yes 2014-09-26T03:17:08 < dongs> only 2014-09-26T03:17:26 < dongs> ordered once shit made from OHP film, it went straight into the garbage 2014-09-26T03:17:32 < dongs> can't imagine it being useful for anything except MAKE:R faggots 2014-09-26T03:17:47 < emeb> oh get off your high horse there sonny. :) 2014-09-26T03:17:57 < dongs> pfft 2014-09-26T03:17:59 < emeb> kapton is fine for onesy-twosy 2014-09-26T03:18:07 < dongs> duno man. 2014-09-26T03:18:16 < dongs> the way it looked it would just smear shit everywehre 2014-09-26T03:18:23 < dongs> didnt veven bother pasting anything 2014-09-26T03:18:48 < emeb> probably would be crap-ola in your pro equipment 2014-09-26T03:19:02 < emeb> but fine for folks using old credit-cards to squeegee 2014-09-26T03:19:40 < emeb> gives a closer shave 2014-09-26T03:19:48 < dongs> i have a $300 pro squieegee 2014-09-26T03:20:45 < dongs> http://www.transitionautomation.com/hand.html 2014-09-26T03:20:48 < emeb> did you see that fancy auto-stenciller in that adafruit video last night? 2014-09-26T03:21:18 < dongs> aidsfruit doing more tax dodging? 2014-09-26T03:21:33 < dongs> i dont exactly watch dickgirls on youtube so you'd have to link 2014-09-26T03:21:33 < emeb> more? 2014-09-26T03:21:42 < dongs> well, that dicknplace was 1st one 2014-09-26T03:21:53 < emeb> it's in that video 2014-09-26T03:22:03 < dongs> yea but dicknplace is old 2014-09-26T03:22:06 < dongs> that was 2013 tax evasion 2014-09-26T03:22:22 < dongs> "donating" old one to some make:r space 2014-09-26T03:22:29 < dongs> and "buying" a "new samsung dicknplace" 2014-09-26T03:22:46 < emeb> cute trick 2014-09-26T03:23:18 < dongs> R2COM: its not a machine, tis manual shit + that squeegee i linked 2014-09-26T03:23:22 < dongs> http://www.technoprint-smt.nl/products-stencilprinters-overview-Techno-SD-240.html 2014-09-26T03:24:06 < dongs> just like that 2014-09-26T03:24:13 < dongs> it gets locked between front/back parts 2014-09-26T03:24:21 < dongs> and stretch by screwing thing out 2014-09-26T03:24:35 < dongs> theres spring loaded stuff 2014-09-26T03:24:46 < dongs> yeah, my standard stencils sheet is 20x30cm 2014-09-26T03:24:54 < dongs> which is the size that fits nicely into that frame 2014-09-26T03:25:16 < dongs> for small boards I usually have 2-3 designs fit into that area 2014-09-26T03:25:24 < dongs> like top/bottom part of stencil sheet 2014-09-26T03:25:41 < dongs> and since "real" framed stencil is like 1m x 1m sheet, in one order I can get a bunch of these 20x30 made 2014-09-26T03:25:44 < dongs> with many designs in them 2014-09-26T03:27:26 < dongs> lift up vertically 2014-09-26T03:27:32 < dongs> so, it doesnt smear 2014-09-26T03:27:37 < dongs> lift that top part 2014-09-26T03:29:04 < dongs> what do you mean? if they're completely different then no? 2014-09-26T03:29:15 < dongs> i either rotate stencil, or apply paste at top side or bottom side 2014-09-26T03:30:02 < dongs> nah, if they're not attached together its retarded, you'll never get both aligned exactly 2014-09-26T03:30:14 < dongs> not arrayed = you are onyl gonna do them one at a time 2014-09-26T03:30:19 < dongs> stencil, change board, stencil 2nd one 2014-09-26T03:30:39 < dongs> your shitty lunix 2014-09-26T03:30:49 < dongs> 09:30 < dongs> nah, if they're not attached together its retarded, you'll never get both aligned exactly 2014-09-26T03:30:52 < dongs> 09:30 < dongs> not arrayed = you are onyl gonna do them one at a time 2014-09-26T03:30:54 < dongs> 09:30 < dongs> stencil, change board, stencil 2nd one 2014-09-26T03:32:52 < dongs> local place 2014-09-26T03:33:05 < dongs> if they're arrayed, pcb factory gives you cam data for array 2014-09-26T03:33:09 < dongs> that you use to make stencil 2014-09-26T03:33:25 < dongs> or you array it in altium/whatever and send both data to pcb and stencil 2014-09-26T03:33:38 < dongs> its a fucking ripoff, like 800eur or osmeshit 2014-09-26T03:33:42 < dongs> fucking euroscammers 2014-09-26T03:33:50 < dongs> there's $100 of parts in there 2014-09-26T03:33:54 < dongs> at most 2014-09-26T03:34:12 < dongs> if you wanna be ghetto, try http://www.hoektronics.com/2012/10/27/super-simple-smt-stencil8/ 2014-09-26T03:34:39 < dongs> but that entire blog is made of fail, starting from dealxtreme paste and ending with T962 oven 2014-09-26T03:35:35 < dongs> before i stole that transition squeegee from another office i was using old credit/ic cards 2014-09-26T03:35:50 < dongs> yeah 2014-09-26T03:36:03 < dongs> that works too, just hard to do more than one 2014-09-26T03:36:09 < dongs> you have to tear stuff down, rearrange boards underneath etc 2014-09-26T03:36:56 < dongs> well, i've done thousands of boards with it without too many problems ;p 2014-09-26T03:37:59 < dongs> no, kapton isnt gona work there 2014-09-26T03:38:12 < dongs> its for steel stuff onle, it would rip it up if you tried to put in that machine 2014-09-26T03:38:24 < dongs> kapton/ohp 2014-09-26T03:38:30 < dongs> i dont think its worth the price if youre just doing one offs 2014-09-26T03:38:44 < dongs> depends on pitch 2014-09-26T03:39:25 < dongs> standard is usually 0.13T for ~normal pitch, could be thinner for finer or else paste would get stuck between 2014-09-26T03:40:06 < dongs> duno 2014-09-26T03:40:25 < dongs> its cheap if I use whole m^2 thing to add a bunch of designs on it 2014-09-26T03:40:40 < dongs> i think china does frameless stencils for ~$20 but i never seen their quality so i dunno 2014-09-26T03:40:49 < dongs> plus i can get these in a day 2014-09-26T03:40:52 < dongs> instead of in 2 weeks 2014-09-26T03:41:21 < dongs> you can pay few bucks extra for electroplate cleaning or something on the chinastencil 2014-09-26T03:41:24 < dongs> maybe its better quality hten 2014-09-26T03:41:30 < dongs> less burrs on the cuts for paste to stick to 2014-09-26T03:42:01 < gnomad> The level of stencil quality you needs depends a lot on the pin pitch you are working with. 2014-09-26T03:42:11 < dongs> ya 2014-09-26T03:42:26 < gnomad> if you're not doing fine pitch, you can get away with a lot less 2014-09-26T03:42:45 < dongs> 0.5 is still ok 2014-09-26T03:42:49 < dongs> 0.4 is where it gets trickier 2014-09-26T03:43:00 < dongs> because your pins opening is like .2mm or so 2014-09-26T03:43:05 < gnomad> if you stich to 0.65, things are a lot easier still 2014-09-26T03:43:40 < dongs> so if your stencil is .13 there might not be enough force for the paste to stick to pcb and it'll get clogged inside stencil instead 2014-09-26T03:44:12 < dongs> thinner 2014-09-26T03:44:28 < dongs> cuz think, youre making a vertical column, if its thicker, there's more friction against the walls 2014-09-26T03:44:35 < gnomad> I've been keeping to 0.65 parts so I can etch boards and stencils at home 2014-09-26T03:44:35 < dongs> vs force to keep it on pcb 2014-09-26T03:46:40 < dongs> looks better than technoprint 2014-09-26T03:47:04 < dongs> 20kg 2014-09-26T03:47:07 < dongs> yeah, def more metal 2014-09-26T03:47:13 < dongs> techno thing is about 7-8kg 2014-09-26T03:47:36 < dongs> but how much is it, is that the german scamplace with manual pickplcae? 2014-09-26T03:47:58 < dongs> http://www.somersetsolders.com/product.php/985/381/stencil_printer_s1___smt_prototypes_and_small_volume 2014-09-26T03:47:59 < gnomad> I'm merely making a point. I've been doing a lot of analog synth stuff recently. homemade pcb's are perfect for rapid prototyping. 2014-09-26T03:48:01 < dongs> ha ha 2014-09-26T03:48:04 < dongs> 1860 gbp 2014-09-26T03:48:10 < dongs> fff 2014-09-26T03:48:10 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T03:48:28 < dongs> bottom of the page 2014-09-26T03:48:37 < dongs> not *unexpected* but prety rapey 2014-09-26T03:49:58 < dongs> http://allesandro.fm.alibaba.com/product/217283120-100793593/Stencil_printer_S1.html lol aliabba 2014-09-26T03:50:27 < dongs> no 2014-09-26T03:50:41 < dongs> dumb 2014-09-26T03:50:47 < dongs> that one is double the price of S1 :) 2014-09-26T03:50:48 < dongs> at least 2014-09-26T03:50:51 < dongs> cuz 4 tension 2014-09-26T03:50:57 < dongs> thats pretty cool tho but probly overkill for home use 2014-09-26T03:53:00 < dongs> you gotta tension it 2014-09-26T03:53:27 < dongs> as youre suqeeging, iut'll lift off parts of pcb and make aids mess 2014-09-26T04:03:56 < dongs> duno 2014-09-26T04:05:12 < zyp> uh 2014-09-26T04:05:37 < zyp> they're not going to draw 145W unless they have anything to do 2014-09-26T04:05:42 < dongs> ^ 2014-09-26T04:10:41 < dongs> nobody writes games anymore 2014-09-26T04:10:45 < dongs> tehy just use some shitty premade engine 2014-09-26T04:10:49 < dongs> and add thier artwork 2014-09-26T04:11:06 < dongs> and they have to code for lowest common denominator which is usally some shitty console 2014-09-26T04:11:10 < dongs> which can barely do 720p 2014-09-26T04:11:16 < dongs> so they dont bother with highres textures or anything useful 2014-09-26T04:15:42 -!- stm32asnoob [63f42a26@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.244.42.38] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T04:16:40 < stm32asnoob> I'm looking for a minimalist gnu assembly code to turn on a led on the stm32f4 discovery board 2014-09-26T04:17:41 < stm32asnoob> What needs to be in the code to get that to work? 2014-09-26T04:22:41 < dongs> enable GPIO clock, configure gpio output register, set state in brr/bsrr 2014-09-26T04:23:10 < zyp> stm32asnoob, you mean a full bare metal script? 2014-09-26T04:23:26 < zyp> why assembly? 2014-09-26T04:25:43 < stm32asnoob> Because I want to learn the stm32 architecture and how to manipulate the registers as well as learning the gnu assembly syntax 2014-09-26T04:26:01 < zyp> assembly is a waste of time for the former 2014-09-26T04:26:23 < dongs> i think this guy is trolling 2014-09-26T04:26:25 < zyp> cortex-m is actually designed so you don't need assembly at all 2014-09-26T04:26:35 < stm32asnoob> Can the stm32 be started with only C? 2014-09-26T04:26:56 < zyp> yes, you don't even need assembly boilerplate to set up the stack, it can boot right into C 2014-09-26T04:27:26 < stm32asnoob> dongs: Keep your opinion for yourself if you have nothing else to do then you know what to do 2014-09-26T04:27:34 < dongs> whoa there 2014-09-26T04:27:39 < zyp> stack is set up by hardware before the reset vector is executed 2014-09-26T04:29:33 < stm32asnoob> And what about the interrupt vectors? 2014-09-26T04:29:55 < zyp> the vector table is just an array of pointers 2014-09-26T04:31:20 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/startup/entry.cpp http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/interrupt/interrupt.cpp#n92 <- here's my startup code and vector table, in case you don't believe me 2014-09-26T04:31:35 < stm32asnoob> Ok, I take a look 2014-09-26T04:31:39 < zyp> (or in case you're curious how it looks) 2014-09-26T04:32:24 < zyp> oh, and I've put in a bunch of C++ trickery too, you don't need to care about that 2014-09-26T04:32:35 < stm32asnoob> It seems to look much longer than in assembly code 2014-09-26T04:33:16 < zyp> the entry() function? 2014-09-26T04:34:47 < stm32asnoob> I mean the use of attribute 2014-09-26T04:35:35 < zyp> how so? 2014-09-26T04:37:42 < dongs> zyp, pretty cool 2014-09-26T04:37:47 < dongs> too bad C+_+11 2014-09-26T04:38:12 < zyp> no, that part is plain C++03 2014-09-26T04:38:32 < zyp> I wrote that before C++11 was well supported in the toolchain 2014-09-26T04:38:39 < dongs> heh 2014-09-26T04:38:45 < dongs> you ahent added anything to laks in 7 months? 2014-09-26T04:38:56 < dongs> at least according to /inded 2014-09-26T04:38:57 < dongs> index 2014-09-26T04:39:10 < zyp> not really, I haven't done much lately 2014-09-26T04:39:25 < zyp> I might have some local edits that's not committed to master 2014-09-26T04:40:17 < zyp> I mean, it has most of the features I'm currently using 2014-09-26T04:40:28 < dongs> ehh 2014-09-26T04:40:40 < dongs> does libopenaidscm3 support building outside of gcc yet 2014-09-26T04:40:43 < dongs> i wonder 2014-09-26T04:40:46 < dongs> (open question) 2014-09-26T04:41:00 < zyp> probably not out of the box 2014-09-26T04:42:05 < stm32asnoob> How do you guys connect to the discovery board in Linux? (I'm using IAR but trying to move to free tools) 2014-09-26T04:42:18 < dongs> i use windows 8.1 2014-09-26T04:42:27 < zyp> I use mac os x 2014-09-26T04:43:10 < stm32asnoob> What about the Linux users? 2014-09-26T04:43:24 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/AV2YQ.JPG <- and this is my preferred way to hook it up 2014-09-26T04:43:30 < gnomad> linux and osx are essentially the same 2014-09-26T04:43:43 < dongs> essentially suck same way, you mean 2014-09-26T04:43:45 < zyp> I can't be assed to dick around with the onboard st-link shit, so I rather hook up a proper adapter 2014-09-26T04:44:15 < zyp> probably doesn't meet dongs' definition of proper though :D 2014-09-26T04:44:17 < dongs> that reminds me i got a few of those bmp assembled clones 2014-09-26T04:44:25 < dongs> that are bricked 2014-09-26T04:44:30 < dongs> because the firmware is a fucking virus 2014-09-26T04:44:37 < dongs> that self-lock bl area on boot 2014-09-26T04:46:59 < stm32asnoob> zyp: what's that board on the right? 2014-09-26T04:47:18 < zyp> that's the debugger adapter I'm using 2014-09-26T04:47:39 < stm32asnoob> Using swd? 2014-09-26T04:47:43 < zyp> yes 2014-09-26T04:48:14 < zyp> anyway, what you want is probably openocd, I hear people say it's usable nowadays 2014-09-26T04:48:31 < stm32asnoob> Where do you get this board? 2014-09-26T04:50:10 < zyp> I put it together myself 2014-09-26T04:56:21 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-21.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T04:57:05 < stm32asnoob> zyp: What's that chip you use on that board? 2014-09-26T04:57:22 < dongs> its stm32f103cb 2014-09-26T04:57:30 < dongs> just like stlink etc 2014-09-26T04:57:33 < zyp> I didn't design it, I just put it together 2014-09-26T04:57:45 < dongs> isnt therebmp firmware for stlink pinout 2014-09-26T04:58:08 < dongs> so you can open the source 2014-09-26T04:58:19 < stm32asnoob> Ah 2014-09-26T04:58:20 < dongs> and ruin high quality commercial product 2014-09-26T04:58:37 < stm32asnoob> Where can I find the design of that board? 2014-09-26T04:59:07 < dongs> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/embedded/bmp2/index.html 2014-09-26T04:59:54 < englishman> cant you flash openocd to a legit stdinkv2? 2014-09-26T04:59:56 < englishman> irreversibly ofc 2014-09-26T05:00:04 < dongs> thats what I meant 2014-09-26T05:00:17 < dongs> i know there's versaloon shit, but I think BMP also has a build for it 2014-09-26T05:07:25 -!- loans [~loans@192.210.138.14] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-26T05:10:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-26T05:12:33 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T05:13:39 -!- talsit1 [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-21.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-26T05:13:48 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-21.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T05:33:54 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T05:36:16 -!- Ian_ 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2014-09-26T06:18:57 < dongs> no clue 2014-09-26T06:19:43 < dongs> mice eat ethernet cables and shit 2014-09-26T06:19:45 < dongs> probly same 2014-09-26T06:23:03 < dongs> R2COM: you should open the hood and check 2014-09-26T06:23:06 < dongs> maybe they're already in there 2014-09-26T06:43:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-26T06:46:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T06:47:32 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-26T06:47:43 < emeb_mac> totally shooped 2014-09-26T06:48:35 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T07:05:21 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-26T07:06:04 < GargantuaSauce> gonna se dc motors 2014-09-26T07:06:14 < GargantuaSauce> use* 2014-09-26T07:06:30 < GargantuaSauce> simpler to drive 2014-09-26T07:07:25 < GargantuaSauce> more torque at higher speeds 2014-09-26T07:07:25 < GargantuaSauce> etc 2014-09-26T07:09:21 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T07:13:02 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T07:15:23 < dongs> lets discuss circuitmaker 2014-09-26T07:15:28 < dongs> only cloud saves, lol 2014-09-26T07:15:35 < dongs> wonder how long until that gets fixed 2014-09-26T07:16:14 < englishman> free altiumz? 2014-09-26T07:16:16 < englishman> source plz 2014-09-26T07:16:32 < dongs> http://circuitmaker.com/#why_circuitmaker 2014-09-26T07:16:54 < dongs> http://circuitmaker.com/desktop/images/tmp/slide-5-scheme.png?v=0_129 2014-09-26T07:17:02 < dongs> with RIBBON menus 2014-09-26T07:17:07 < englishman> i see no cloudz 2014-09-26T07:17:14 < dongs> thats cuz they faking 2014-09-26T07:17:29 < dongs> http://hackaday.com/2014/09/24/circuitmaker-from-altium/ 2014-09-26T07:17:30 < englishman> photoshop of a screenshot of a photoshop of eagle 2014-09-26T07:19:16 -!- 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viewed..." ... Woo, a nurse! 2014-09-26T15:38:47 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T15:39:21 < hornang> anyone familiar with "multiple segment" flash? i.e. regions in flash that should be left alone when reprogramming the cip 2014-09-26T15:40:09 < Tectu> enjoy some .webm: http://img.pr0gramm.com/2014/09/26/639c038e09d25251.webm 2014-09-26T15:40:22 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T15:42:26 < Steffanx> no sounds 2014-09-26T15:47:35 -!- timemob [~dongs@l212168.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T15:47:47 < timemob> zyp, beep 2014-09-26T15:48:48 < timemob> how much was that ft256 bga 2014-09-26T15:49:56 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T15:55:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-26T15:55:57 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-26T15:56:28 < zyp> timemob, what bga? the fpga? 2014-09-26T15:56:32 < timemob> y 2014-09-26T15:56:37 < zyp> $5 or something? 2014-09-26T15:56:41 < dongs> back 2014-09-26T15:56:42 < dongs> ok 2014-09-26T15:57:13 < dongs> oh 2014-09-26T15:57:15 < dongs> but your shit was XC3S200A-4FTG256C 2014-09-26T15:57:15 < dongs> ? 2014-09-26T15:57:19 < dongs> just found invoice 2014-09-26T15:57:19 < dongs> hm 2014-09-26T15:57:40 < dongs> ill proably need xc6 2014-09-26T15:57:47 < dongs> i guess its probly ~double 2014-09-26T15:59:16 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-26T16:00:41 -!- timemob [~dongs@l212168.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2014-09-26T16:15:40 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-26T16:15:40 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-26T16:15:47 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T16:16:02 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T16:16:30 < xkonni> will using a dma in circular mode increment the Memory0BaseAddr to initial-Memory0BaseAddr + Buffersize * cycleCount? 2014-09-26T16:16:54 < xkonni> or is there a way to make it, without actually stopping the dma? 2014-09-26T16:19:35 < dongs> circular will.. wrap around yes 2014-09-26T16:19:38 < dongs> not sure what the question is 2014-09-26T16:19:53 < dongs> i dont think you can do circular in memory2memory mode 2014-09-26T16:20:16 < dongs> only peripheral to memory, and peripheralincrease should probly be of. 2014-09-26T16:21:40 < trepidaciousMBR> memory to memory circular DMA would be odd :) 2014-09-26T16:21:44 < dongs> indeed 2014-09-26T16:22:12 < dongs> if condition is omitted in for() loop 2014-09-26T16:22:18 < dongs> is tehre any rule on to waht happens? 2014-09-26T16:22:37 < xkonni> dongs: it will wrap around... but i have 2meg of psram and want to fill it entirely 2014-09-26T16:22:45 < zyp> dongs, empty expression is always true, IIRC 2014-09-26T16:22:57 < xkonni> with the 65535 data element restriction i can not do that 2014-09-26T16:23:11 < xkonni> and when i restart the dma in the IRQ i loose some adc samples 2014-09-26T16:23:13 < zyp> xkonni, is this f4? 2014-09-26T16:23:16 < xkonni> yes 2014-09-26T16:23:43 < zyp> you can use double buffering, and then update the other buffer pointer 2014-09-26T16:23:54 < xkonni> okay, will need to read up on that 2014-09-26T16:24:20 < xkonni> then i can like have 2 streams, s2 starting when s1 is done? 2014-09-26T16:24:20 < dongs> hmm 2014-09-26T16:24:28 < zyp> it implies circular mode, except it alternates buffers 2014-09-26T16:24:30 < dongs> for(i=2; i--;) { 2014-09-26T16:24:31 < dongs> printf("cocks\n"); 2014-09-26T16:24:31 < dongs> } 2014-09-26T16:24:35 < dongs> zyp, this works 2014-09-26T16:24:48 < dongs> oh, isee why 2014-09-26T16:24:50 < zyp> dongs, that's not without the if 2014-09-26T16:25:12 < xkonni> zyp: then i have 2x BufferSize... which still is nowhere near 2meg 2014-09-26T16:25:22 < zyp> xkonni, but it's still circular 2014-09-26T16:25:53 < xkonni> and will overwrite the first values upon restart 2014-09-26T16:25:59 < zyp> so you make the two buffer pointers point to block 0 and 1, then after block 0 is done you update that pointer to point to block 2, and so on 2014-09-26T16:26:25 < xkonni> mhhm... 2014-09-26T16:26:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-awwpkiypckiolsxs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-26T16:27:08 < dongs> why do you need to clear so much ram 2014-09-26T16:27:27 < Steffanx> he wants to fill it with adc samples.. 2014-09-26T16:27:32 < xkonni> its a receiver... i want to save as many continuous samples as possible 2014-09-26T16:27:44 < dongs> oh, ok 2014-09-26T16:27:45 < xkonni> write into ram, write to sdcard, analyze 2014-09-26T16:27:56 < dongs> doublebuffer seems like the way to go then 2014-09-26T16:28:16 < zyp> yeah, this is exactly what double buffer mode is for 2014-09-26T16:28:20 < dongs> right 2014-09-26T16:28:31 < xkonni> so its fill s1, THEN fill s2? 2014-09-26T16:28:39 < xkonni> so i have the s2-fill-time to reset s1 2014-09-26T16:28:46 < zyp> exactly 2014-09-26T16:28:51 < xkonni> okay that sounds good 2014-09-26T16:29:04 < xkonni> i thought it was doing sample1 to s1, sample2 to s2, sample3 to s1 2014-09-26T16:29:09 < dongs> no 2014-09-26T16:29:11 < xkonni> okay 2014-09-26T16:29:14 < xkonni> now i get it 2014-09-26T16:29:16 < dongs> and you can get interrupt on half/fulltransfer 2014-09-26T16:29:16 < xkonni> thanks ;) 2014-09-26T16:29:20 < xkonni> yes i found those 2014-09-26T16:29:21 < zyp> well, it does, unless you update s1 while s2 is filling 2014-09-26T16:29:21 < dongs> you can switch buffers tehre or dick with them or whatever 2014-09-26T16:29:37 < dongs> zyp: i think he meant interleaving 2014-09-26T16:29:44 < zyp> ah, no 2014-09-26T16:29:47 < zyp> right 2014-09-26T16:38:22 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM4Nku2qAiI this is fucking great 2014-09-26T16:38:31 < dongs> i think im gonna do this to the waspnest outside my house 2014-09-26T16:39:21 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T16:40:14 < Steffanx> vacuum cleaner... ? 2014-09-26T16:40:37 < dongs> i dont want that shit in my vacuum cleaner 2014-09-26T16:40:43 < dongs> plus it sounds ike i'd need to leave it running for a day 2014-09-26T16:40:46 < dongs> to get all the suckers out 2014-09-26T16:43:22 < Steffanx> I wonder if it's more effective to electrocute them, like 24/7 powered electric fly swatter 2014-09-26T16:43:47 < Steffanx> Even your dog and kids will stay away after some nice shock. 2014-09-26T16:44:31 < Steffanx> Or that will just make the wasps very agry :P 2014-09-26T16:45:15 < mringwal> hi. I've been using the st-link tool to flash my toy examples into an STM32 Nucleo F103RB, but now only get timeouts from libusb. A reboot of my OS X system didn't help. any ideas? 2014-09-26T16:46:12 < Steffanx> use openocd 2014-09-26T16:47:34 < mringwal> valid proposition. is st-link considered outdated and everybody uses openocd instead? 2014-09-26T16:47:52 < mringwal> (I've tried with a different board, st-link worked, and it also worked again with first board. weird) 2014-09-26T16:48:05 < zyp> if you refer to texane/stlink, that sounds like the case, yes 2014-09-26T16:49:07 < mringwal> zyp: yup, that one. I liked the command line syntax though 2014-09-26T16:49:30 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-26T16:51:07 < Steffanx> i think the few who did use st-link/texane here moved to openocd. 2014-09-26T16:52:44 -!- rewolff [~wolff@ip113-99-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T16:55:19 < Tectu> did somebody say 'texane'? 2014-09-26T16:55:57 < mringwal> a few, but it was my fault 2014-09-26T16:57:10 < Tectu> time to pay for your mistakes. 2014-09-26T16:57:22 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-26T17:01:59 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-26T17:02:07 < mringwal> lol. it's basically recommend on the channel wiki: http://stm32.izua.ro/wiki/Beginner_FAQ :) 2014-09-26T17:02:24 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T17:03:11 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T17:03:14 < zyp> wow, wiki still exists? 2014-09-26T17:04:46 < Steffanx> lol 2014-09-26T17:05:01 < dongs> izua is deader than *BSD 2014-09-26T17:05:28 < Steffanx> last seen only 44 weeks ago 2014-09-26T17:05:47 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T17:10:30 < dongs> ISE installer is fucking pure shit 2014-09-26T17:10:50 < qyx_> lol ise 2014-09-26T17:11:44 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-26T17:17:17 < gxti> because it has to support lunix obviously 2014-09-26T17:17:41 < mringwal> are there some limitations with the st-link2 debug uart of the nucleos boards? I've tried for a while to send a few chars at 115200 and it worked as long as I didn't send more than a few at once. At 9600, I can send a longer text. 2014-09-26T17:18:02 < qyx_> why.. there would be no need for an installer if it was packaged properly 2014-09-26T17:18:11 < qyx_> msi, dmg, deb/rpm 2014-09-26T17:22:20 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T17:22:47 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-26T17:29:12 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-26T17:42:48 < dongs> attn Laurenceb http://i.4cdn.org/b/1411683255518.webm 2014-09-26T17:47:23 < Steffanx> more dongs 2014-09-26T17:48:45 < karlp> attn dongs: http://www.spoon-tamago.com/2014/09/22/japanese-condom-cookbook-to-raise-awareness-for-protected-sex/ 2014-09-26T17:54:29 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T17:59:44 -!- ubuntu [~ubuntu@CPE002191edd529-CM001bd7aa324e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T18:00:08 -!- ubuntu is now known as Guest11459 2014-09-26T18:11:15 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T18:12:15 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-26T18:12:42 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-26T18:17:18 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-26T18:17:44 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-26T18:20:24 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T18:21:25 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-26T18:23:06 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T18:26:19 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-57-159.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-26T18:35:38 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T18:42:40 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2014-09-26T18:44:04 < Laurenceb> how do i stash the current state using git then revert to the previous? 2014-09-26T18:44:16 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T18:49:49 < BrainDamage> git stash 2014-09-26T18:50:39 < BrainDamage> it'd be like git stash save 2014-09-26T18:50:55 < BrainDamage> pass a meaningful name to it 2014-09-26T18:51:45 < karlp> stashs are fragile though, it's sometimes safer, though a little more work to checkout a new branch and commit there, then return to the previous branch 2014-09-26T18:52:09 < BrainDamage> yeah, I agree 2014-09-26T18:53:42 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T18:58:38 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-26T18:58:57 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@w193-11-200-145.eduroam.sunet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-26T19:09:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.108.190] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T19:14:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T19:25:07 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@dhcp-178110.eduroam.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T19:37:52 < Guest11459> anyone use gcc? 2014-09-26T19:40:04 < englishman> no 2014-09-26T19:40:57 -!- bsdfox_ [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T19:44:36 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-26T19:49:17 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-26T19:53:12 < amstan> Guest11459: i do 2014-09-26T19:53:21 < amstan> Guest11459: also... most people here probably do, lol 2014-09-26T19:55:54 < Guest11459> After I compile my files I get a.out 2014-09-26T19:56:22 < Guest11459> So I burn that file to flash directly? 2014-09-26T19:56:22 < gxti> and? 2014-09-26T19:56:47 < Guest11459> I will use windows st link utility to do it 2014-09-26T19:56:52 < amstan> Guest11459: probably not 2014-09-26T19:57:23 < amstan> Guest11459: you should read up on makefiles and see what they do: https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT_Example/blob/master/Makefile 2014-09-26T19:57:41 < gxti> you need to use objcopy to convert it to a .bin blob 2014-09-26T19:57:43 < amstan> Guest11459: there's a few more flags you have to give gcc probably, and it's annoying to type them manually every time 2014-09-26T19:58:10 < Guest11459> Isn't the output file already a binary file? 2014-09-26T19:58:24 < gxti> it's in ELF format. you can't flash ELF directly to anything. 2014-09-26T19:58:32 < Guest11459> Ah 2014-09-26T19:58:46 < Guest11459> And what's that elf format thing? 2014-09-26T19:58:53 < amstan> Guest11459: it is, but it contains stuff like debugging symbols, where stuff goes and so on 2014-09-26T19:59:11 < amstan> Guest11459: it's similar to exe for windows, but elf is for unix systems 2014-09-26T19:59:37 < Guest11459> Ah 2014-09-26T19:59:45 < amstan> Guest11459: it's kinda like how exe contains icons and stuff like that, you just want to flash the machine code, not all the extra stuff 2014-09-26T20:00:31 < Guest11459> So the output files from gcc are always elf files? 2014-09-26T20:01:18 < gxti> yes. 2014-09-26T20:01:36 < gxti> it's possible to build a toolchain that uses different formats, i think, but nothing you'd use for ARM would do so. 2014-09-26T20:05:10 < Guest11459> I see 2014-09-26T20:05:23 < Guest11459> Things are making a little more sense now 2014-09-26T20:07:00 < Guest11459> That makefile looks so complicated 2014-09-26T20:11:01 -!- phantoxe [~destroy@acarlosss.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [] 2014-09-26T20:11:23 < Guest11459> Anyone has a single file source code blinking a led that I can compile easily? 2014-09-26T20:11:52 < gxti> that project on github is exactly that 2014-09-26T20:14:21 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-26T20:18:33 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-26T20:20:25 < Guest11459> gxti: How do you flash from Linux? 2014-09-26T20:20:37 < gxti> very carefully 2014-09-26T20:21:04 < amstan> gxti: dude... you're not very helpful are you? 2014-09-26T20:21:28 < gxti> dude 2014-09-26T20:21:31 < gxti> no i'm not 2014-09-26T20:22:56 < gxti> i post one stupid answer and suddenly i am literally hitler, i guess 2014-09-26T20:23:03 < gxti> back to work 2014-09-26T20:23:11 < amstan> gxti: you're right, sorry, it just looked mean 2014-09-26T20:24:35 < amstan> Guest11459: https://github.com/texane/stlink, http://openocd.sourceforge.net/ 2014-09-26T20:24:40 < karlp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/f4/stm32f4-discovery/miniblink/miniblink.c 2014-09-26T20:24:51 < karlp> (don't use texane/stlink unless you want more pain) 2014-09-26T20:25:00 < amstan> karlp: +1 on that 2014-09-26T20:31:50 < Guest11459> amstan: Thanks :) 2014-09-26T20:34:48 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T20:34:55 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T20:34:55 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-26T20:34:56 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T20:37:53 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-26T20:38:49 < Guest11459> karlp: Not much instruction on how to compile this code? 2014-09-26T20:39:54 < Guest11459> karlp: (don't use texane/stlink unless you want more pain) What to use then? 2014-09-26T20:51:37 < englishman> this is why not to use gcc 2014-09-26T20:51:39 < karlp> if you can't find the root directory of that project, and you can't take option b) when I said "don't use option a)" then you're going to be a little hard to help. 2014-09-26T20:51:59 < englishman> use keil -> click button -> flash and run 2014-09-26T20:52:01 < englishman> exactly zero makefiles, the way it should be 2014-09-26T20:52:10 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T20:55:34 < Guest11459> englishman: lol, I'm trying to get away from commercial products 2014-09-26T21:02:14 < bvernoux> hi 2014-09-26T21:02:56 < Guest11459> karlp: I'm trying to figure out your option b) 2014-09-26T21:03:49 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T21:03:50 < Guest11459> karlp: A little help needed please :) 2014-09-26T21:14:03 -!- posterdati300 [~KVIrc@host177-229-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T21:14:07 < posterdati300> hi 2014-09-26T21:15:04 < gnomad> Personally, I'll take makefiles any day as opposed to an IDE where I need to traverse through a bazillion menus to find all the build.config options. 2014-09-26T21:19:24 -!- Guest11459 [~ubuntu@CPE002191edd529-CM001bd7aa324e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-26T21:20:58 -!- ubuntu [~ubuntu@CPE002191edd529-CM001bd7aa324e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T21:21:22 -!- ubuntu is now known as Guest12824 2014-09-26T21:23:26 < Guest12824> gnomad: I agree 2014-09-26T21:31:48 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T21:42:37 < amstan> Guest12824: you really need to change your nick 2014-09-26T21:43:20 < Guest12824> Ya 2014-09-26T21:44:18 -!- Guest12824 is now known as Lechatbotte 2014-09-26T21:45:06 < Lechatbotte> That should make it 2014-09-26T21:47:13 < karlp> is that the same guest? 2014-09-26T21:47:14 < karlp> "17:24 < amstan> Guest11459: https://github.com/texane/stlink, http://openocd.sourceforge.net/ 2014-09-26T21:47:17 < karlp> " 2014-09-26T21:47:25 < karlp> option a) was texane/stlink, so, what's option B) likely to be 2014-09-26T21:47:27 < amstan> karlp: i'm guessing, lol 2014-09-26T21:53:21 < Lechatbotte> Ah 2014-09-26T21:53:35 < Lechatbotte> I did not see openocd 2014-09-26T21:55:47 < Lechatbotte> My mistake 2014-09-26T21:56:44 < Lechatbotte> So now I'm trying to get that miniblink to compile 2014-09-26T21:57:51 < Lechatbotte> I downloaded the libopencm3 directory 2014-09-26T21:58:19 < Lechatbotte> Do I put the whole example directory in it? 2014-09-26T22:02:14 < karlp> did you try reading the readme? https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/ 2014-09-26T22:07:14 < Lechatbotte> Yes, I browsed through it 2014-09-26T22:07:29 < Lechatbotte> But it does not tell how to install the examples 2014-09-26T22:07:57 < Lechatbotte> I cloned libopencm3.git 2014-09-26T22:08:11 < Lechatbotte> And invoked make inside it 2014-09-26T22:08:44 < Lechatbotte> How to clone the examples directory? 2014-09-26T22:09:07 < karlp> did you _read_ the readme? 2014-09-26T22:09:09 < Lechatbotte> Sorry, I never used git before :( 2014-09-26T22:09:16 < karlp> clone the examples repo, and type make. 2014-09-26T22:09:21 < karlp> it builds the library as a module 2014-09-26T22:09:45 < karlp> as was suggested, if this is too much, feel free to open up your wallet to a tools vendor of your choice 2014-09-26T22:10:58 < Lechatbotte> I typed "sudo git clone https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/libopencm3-examples.git " 2014-09-26T22:11:04 < Lechatbotte> But that does not work 2014-09-26T22:11:49 < synico> why the sudo 2014-09-26T22:12:58 < synico> also, "does not work" is never a good description of the problem :) 2014-09-26T22:13:25 < karlp> sudo fixes all problems remember? 2014-09-26T22:14:52 < Lechatbotte> Ok I remove sudo 2014-09-26T22:15:02 < synico> then what happened 2014-09-26T22:16:09 < Lechatbotte> "Is not a valid repository name" 2014-09-26T22:16:30 < Lechatbotte> What is the exact path to clone the examples? 2014-09-26T22:16:40 < synico> git clone https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/ 2014-09-26T22:16:51 < Lechatbotte> ah 2014-09-26T22:18:41 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-26T22:18:42 < Lechatbotte> I was trying to use the same "syntax" as git clone https://github.com/libopencm3/lipopencm3.git 2014-09-26T22:19:12 < Lechatbotte> I was trying to use the same "syntax" as git clone https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3.git 2014-09-26T22:20:32 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T22:24:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-26T22:25:21 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T22:33:24 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T22:35:31 < Lechatbotte> I typed make flash in the miniblink directory, but make complains cannot find libopencm3 in standard search path 2014-09-26T22:36:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.154.108.190] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-26T22:36:28 < Lechatbotte> I put /libopencm3-examples directory in /libopencm3 and invoked make first 2014-09-26T22:36:42 < Lechatbotte> Did I do something wrong? 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It honestly took me a few days of dicking around with eclipse and cmsis, and then libopencm3 just to get an LED blinking 2014-09-26T22:58:21 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-26T22:59:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T23:04:56 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-26T23:05:54 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T23:06:53 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T23:07:04 < PaulFertser> It took me half a day to get a basic port of libopencm3 working on another absolutely unsupported cortex-m3 chip. 2014-09-26T23:08:17 < mringwal> Is there anything special to PB.3 & PB.4 on an STM32 F103 RB Nucleos board? I've tried to use them as GPIOs and they just don't toggle, while all other GPIOs on PA and PB work. (PB3 stays low, PB5 stays high) 2014-09-26T23:08:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.60] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T23:08:39 < mringwal> (using libopencm3) 2014-09-26T23:08:44 < Lechatbotte> I think I need a step-by-step instructions to make that miniblink example 2014-09-26T23:09:07 < Lechatbotte> karlp: Any help? 2014-09-26T23:13:27 < PaulFertser> Lechatbotte: usually you "git clone" the whole libopencm3 examples repo, then change nothing in it, and do not export any variables at all, and just "git submodule init" and "git submodule update" (only needed the first time to get libopencm3 submodule) and then go to the directory with the example you want and type "make" and that should be it. 2014-09-26T23:13:40 < qyx_> mringwal: isn't PB3 part of jtag? 2014-09-26T23:15:07 < mringwal> qyx_: that's right. but PB4 is not. also, I'm not using JTAG right now (as far as I know) 2014-09-26T23:17:13 < qyx_> mringwal: it is used by jtag after reset, you have to disable it manually 2014-09-26T23:20:34 < Lechatbotte> Now I get No rules to make target:miniblink.flash 2014-09-26T23:21:03 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2014-09-26T23:21:32 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-26T23:22:41 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T23:23:06 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-26T23:23:36 < kuldeepdhaka> spending sometime on datasheet (both reference manual, and general info) will help -- read about some peripherial, pinout etc.. they looks awful initially but help in long run 2014-09-26T23:24:11 < PaulFertser> Lechatbotte: are you using the usual gcc arm embedded toolchain on a standard (POSIX) OS? 2014-09-26T23:24:31 < mringwal> qyx_: how can I do that? 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I always thought everyone makes them as they please 2014-09-27T03:16:39 < dongs> englishman: haha 2014-09-27T03:25:38 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-27T03:31:38 -!- Ian_ [522f6d88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.47.109.136] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-27T03:32:25 -!- Ian_ [522f6d88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.47.109.136] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T03:36:40 < dongs> attn GargantuaSauce http://hackaday.io/project/249-Moti%2C-a-smart-servo 2014-09-27T03:37:15 < GargantuaSauce> i knew if i procrastinated long enough someone would do it for me 2014-09-27T03:44:13 < englishman> ooh bluetooth 2014-09-27T03:45:22 < GargantuaSauce> and a rest api!! 2014-09-27T03:46:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-27T03:52:09 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T03:52:16 < dongs> internet of dicks at its finest 2014-09-27T03:52:24 < dongs> they should restrict internet of dicks shit to IPV6 2014-09-27T03:52:29 < dongs> so that even less people used it 2014-09-27T03:55:19 < upgrdman> R2COM1: you mean like for an 18650? there 2014-09-27T03:55:31 < upgrdman> there are tons of pcb mount holders for them 2014-09-27T03:56:07 < upgrdman> google "18650 pcb mount" 2014-09-27T03:56:32 < upgrdman> first image result: http://e-steamer.com/snap-on-battery-clips-pcb-mounting-for-17335-17450-17500-18650-18500-18350-a-r23 2014-09-27T04:29:27 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-27T04:40:02 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-57-159.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T04:54:38 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-57-159.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-27T04:55:28 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-57-159.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T05:01:59 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sismbvrvgxknnwmw] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T05:32:37 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-27T05:47:59 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T05:50:11 < upgrdman> there are no standard sizes 2014-09-27T05:50:33 < upgrdman> when i see them in shit they're taped or glued to the pcb 2014-09-27T05:51:23 < upgrdman> you know, like smartphone batteries 2014-09-27T05:51:33 < englishman> oh 2014-09-27T05:51:37 < englishman> i wouldnt call those a cell 2014-09-27T05:52:03 < englishman> more like a pack 2014-09-27T05:52:05 < englishman> with cell i think coin cell 2014-09-27T05:52:15 < upgrdman> they're cells. 2014-09-27T05:52:20 < englishman> sure 2014-09-27T05:52:33 < upgrdman> cell is actually the correct term. not a battery unless 2+ cells. 2014-09-27T05:52:49 < upgrdman> but ya, i know what you mean 2014-09-27T05:54:23 < GargantuaSauce> i hereby propose the new official term "voltage sack" 2014-09-27T05:54:56 < upgrdman> "my sack swelled" 2014-09-27T05:55:01 < englishman> mine is bigger 2014-09-27T05:55:09 < GargantuaSauce> i discharged my sack too far and it puffed up 2014-09-27T05:57:17 < GargantuaSauce> i should really stop writing busylooping i2c drivers 2014-09-27T05:57:43 < Viper168_> is it better or worse than when it turns blue from not being discharged 2014-09-27T06:03:29 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-27T06:15:58 -!- madis_ [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T06:17:36 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-27T06:25:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-27T06:25:27 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T06:45:48 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T06:49:33 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-27T06:49:50 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T07:01:30 < GargantuaSauce> we are saying use glue to mount your sack 2014-09-27T07:15:46 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T07:22:00 -!- amstan [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-27T07:22:29 -!- amstan [~amstan@aichallenge/admin/amstan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T07:26:34 < qyx_> actually their size codes are +- standardized 2014-09-27T07:28:49 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-27T07:35:58 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T08:07:09 -!- madis_ [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-27T08:10:44 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T08:12:33 < upgrdman> qyx_: for prismatic cells? any links? i see shit tons of size for similar capacities. 2014-09-27T08:13:09 < dongs> successfully replaced broken screen on pals dixus5 2014-09-27T08:13:17 < dongs> was easier than I thought 2014-09-27T08:13:20 < qyx_> https://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/images/products/Batt2AJST-01-L.jpg 2014-09-27T08:13:20 < dongs> and it still wroks 2014-09-27T08:13:21 < qyx_> upgrdman: ^ 2014-09-27T08:13:33 < qyx_> if you see the E585460 2014-09-27T08:13:40 < dongs> oh thats a good one 2014-09-27T08:13:42 < dongs> 2Am 2014-09-27T08:13:45 < dongs> nice 2014-09-27T08:13:49 < dongs> hwo much is that? 2014-09-27T08:13:56 < qyx_> just random gugl image 2014-09-27T08:14:13 < qyx_> the first letters are vendor specific (PL, LP, etc.. 2014-09-27T08:14:27 < upgrdman> qyx_: but how many standard sizes are there? seems like 100+ for a given capacity. not really all that standard if that's the case. 2014-09-27T08:14:35 < qyx_> ah, yes :) 2014-09-27T08:15:09 < upgrdman> i mean if the standard is Ellwwhh where l=length, w=width, h=height .... thats just a naming convention, not a standard 2014-09-27T08:15:21 < upgrdman> not that that is the convention, but you know what i mean 2014-09-27T08:15:24 < qyx_> yep 2014-09-27T08:42:00 < emeb_mac> qyx_: figure out your interference issue? 2014-09-27T08:43:39 < qyx_> not yet 2014-09-27T08:56:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sismbvrvgxknnwmw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-27T09:15:51 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T09:48:58 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T10:09:42 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: mringwal] 2014-09-27T10:18:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-27T10:33:10 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-27T10:33:41 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@176.15.155.229] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T10:33:41 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@176.15.155.229] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-27T10:33:41 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T10:45:52 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T10:52:36 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T11:47:13 < dongs> fixing this fucking boat remote control thing for a radar 2014-09-27T11:48:21 < madist> a fucking boat sounds like a lot more fun than a fishing boat. 2014-09-27T11:49:15 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T11:49:24 < GargantuaSauce> you can probably fish on a fucking boat too 2014-09-27T11:49:33 < GargantuaSauce> and i imagine there's not much in the way of the opposite 2014-09-27T11:50:01 < GargantuaSauce> i guess the distinction is in onboard equipment and facilities 2014-09-27T11:50:05 < Viper168> depends on how much you like fish 2014-09-27T11:51:39 < dongs> pretty sure t his shit is not rohs 2014-09-27T11:53:31 < GargantuaSauce> cause it still worked after 5 years? 2014-09-27T11:55:14 < GargantuaSauce> adc_out_xlsb<7:3> 2014-09-27T11:55:18 < GargantuaSauce> extra least significant bits 2014-09-27T11:55:20 < GargantuaSauce> thanks bosch 2014-09-27T12:01:26 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T12:02:04 < dongs> man 2014-09-27T12:02:13 < dongs> traces have like retarded resistance 2014-09-27T12:02:13 < dongs> wtf 2014-09-27T12:02:21 < dongs> and the boat dude trried to be smart and scraped some 2014-09-27T12:08:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T12:10:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T12:21:59 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-27T12:27:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T12:27:57 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-27T12:28:11 -!- talsit [~talsit@219.107.199.219] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T12:28:21 < dongs> sup blogs 2014-09-27T12:28:49 < GargantuaSauce> the bmp180 datasheet is really bad 2014-09-27T12:28:59 < dongs> i think i used 280 2014-09-27T12:29:04 < dongs> oh bmp 2014-09-27T12:29:07 < dongs> pressurething? 2014-09-27T12:29:09 < GargantuaSauce> ya 2014-09-27T12:29:14 < dongs> just use existing BMP085 code 2014-09-27T12:29:17 < dongs> its ~exactly same 2014-09-27T12:29:47 < madist> but made in China 2014-09-27T12:29:52 < dongs> wut 2014-09-27T12:30:00 < madist> isn't the 180 made in China ? 2014-09-27T12:30:08 < dongs> theye both are.. 2014-09-27T12:30:31 < madist> the BMP085 is not manufactured at a BOSH fab ? 2014-09-27T12:30:35 < madist> +C 2014-09-27T12:35:33 < dongs> hm fuck 2014-09-27T12:45:40 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zcdgdbrisssaoery] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T12:46:36 < dongs> RIP talsit http://reunion.la1ere.fr/2014/09/27/video-il-filme-l-eruption-d-un-volcan-avant-de-se-faire-rattraper-par-le-nuage-de-cendres-193186.html 2014-09-27T12:47:57 < qyx_> omg that "interference" was actually caused on TX side while switching from RX to TX 2014-09-27T12:49:44 < GargantuaSauce> elaborate qyx_? 2014-09-27T12:50:59 < qyx_> it always worked because there was a debug printf to serial which caused few ms delay 2014-09-27T12:51:42 < qyx_> but the delay isn't required after switching radio do TX as i would normally expect (to wait for transmitter to stabilise) 2014-09-27T12:51:48 < qyx_> *to T 2014-09-27T12:52:21 < qyx_> it is required after the reception is finished and before i switch it to TX, i have to keep it in IDLE for 2ms to work 2014-09-27T12:52:57 < qyx_> otherwise it corrupts FIFO internally and randomly sets LSB of some bytes to 1 2014-09-27T12:54:13 < qyx_> like it was receiving noise even after disabling RX and putting it to FIFO randomly 2014-09-27T12:54:34 < GargantuaSauce> weird 2014-09-27T13:04:27 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T13:12:51 < qyx_> it is 2014-09-27T13:16:21 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T13:17:56 < dongs> http://pnis.co/h3.html looks like Laurenceb domain 2014-09-27T13:21:46 < Steffanx> not .co.uk ... 2014-09-27T13:27:11 < qyx_> now it makes more errors \o/ 2014-09-27T13:32:27 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: mringwal] 2014-09-27T13:33:34 < Steffanx> rfm69(h/hw) qyx_? 2014-09-27T13:35:32 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-27T13:35:41 < Steffanx> *w/hw 2014-09-27T13:36:44 < qyx_> w 2014-09-27T13:37:27 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T13:41:59 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T13:42:08 < Tectu> would one say "I work on the lower level of a system" or "I work in the lower level of a system"? 2014-09-27T13:42:46 < GargantuaSauce> depends on whether one is a transistor 2014-09-27T13:43:02 < Steffanx> lol 2014-09-27T13:43:53 < Tectu> lol 2014-09-27T13:43:55 < Fleck> ;p 2014-09-27T13:44:01 < Tectu> GargantuaSauce, go on 2014-09-27T13:44:18 < GargantuaSauce> if so, then the latter 2014-09-27T13:44:43 < Tectu> thank you 2014-09-27T13:44:58 < GargantuaSauce> really both could work but 'on' is definitely clearer 2014-09-27T13:45:17 < GargantuaSauce> "with" would be better yet 2014-09-27T13:45:28 < Steffanx> qyx_, i used tha radio as well, i dont remember i had to wait for the transmitter to stabilize exept the "wait for mode ready" 2014-09-27T13:45:40 < Steffanx> but .. i had lots of issues as well, could've been caused by that :P 2014-09-27T13:46:32 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-27T13:48:43 < GargantuaSauce> i know the vco of some transceivers will start to drift if you leave them in tx mode too long but random fifo corruption seems to be a pretty weird verdict 2014-09-27T13:48:46 -!- a_morale [~quassel@2-227-115-13.ip186.fastwebnet.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T13:58:02 < qyx_> Steffanx: again, tx part is solved, now i am able to receive correct bitstream on DIO pin but it is read wrong using spi 2014-09-27T13:58:09 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-27T13:58:16 < Steffanx> ah ok :) 2014-09-27T13:58:50 < qyx_> i meant "another problem" 2014-09-27T13:59:19 < qyx_> at least the radio part is probably ok now 2014-09-27T13:59:35 -!- alan5 [~quassel@176.227.196.146] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T14:08:51 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-27T14:09:52 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T14:14:43 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T14:16:34 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T14:27:14 < qyx_> another problem, it cannot handle burst fifo reads, so no SPI DMA :/ 2014-09-27T14:28:53 -!- alan5 [~quassel@176.227.196.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-27T14:30:47 < Steffanx> uh sure? I didn't use dma, but afaik my fifo reading was still a "burst fifo read" 2014-09-27T14:32:56 < qyx_> i am not reaaly sure about anything now 2014-09-27T14:35:17 < qyx_> i feel like dumb because this is a thing that even arduino guys can do 2014-09-27T14:35:41 < qyx_> and cannot solve it for two weeks 2014-09-27T14:36:14 < GargantuaSauce> have you ruled out something like an intermittent electrical fault? 2014-09-27T14:36:59 < Steffanx> qyx_, the question is if the arduino guys have a reliable implementation ;) 2014-09-27T14:37:17 < qyx_> also, it worked perfectly 2014-09-27T14:37:30 < Steffanx> Anyway the datasheets says it can do fifo burst reading so it can do it :P 2014-09-27T14:38:11 < qyx_> and it works if you are not trying to do higher rates, long packet support (on-the-fly fifo flushing), CSMA/CA and such 2014-09-27T14:38:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-27T14:44:31 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.140] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T14:50:15 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-135-135-240.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T15:15:36 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-190-34-221.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T15:15:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.140] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-27T15:18:17 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-135-135-240.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-27T15:28:22 < dongs> http://qz.com/156479/miners-spend-17-million-a-day-for-a-shot-at-4-4-million-of-bitcoin/ haha 2014-09-27T15:29:27 < GargantuaSauce> didn't notice the date and the price made me do a double take 2014-09-27T15:29:29 < GargantuaSauce> had to go check the tickers 2014-09-27T15:29:43 < dongs> lulz 2014-09-27T15:30:25 < Steffanx> lol 2014-09-27T15:30:32 < Steffanx> @ photo of greenpeace 2014-09-27T15:37:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-27T15:38:52 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-27T15:41:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-27T15:42:02 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-27T15:46:54 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T15:56:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.41] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T15:57:10 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T16:02:06 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-27T16:08:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T16:25:02 < dongs> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFg4MDA=/$T2eC16VHJGIE9nnWqs!UBQK2yEZlQ!~~60_57.JPG what 2014-09-27T16:27:58 < Steffanx> It's like the photos you take with this toy dongs, but this doll looks pretty real. 2014-09-27T16:28:45 < dongs> haha that ebay guy has a bunch of auctions like this 2014-09-27T16:29:05 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/150792901517 2014-09-27T16:29:24 < Steffanx> Maybe the ebay guy is the guy in the photo ( you can never be sure with those asians ) 2014-09-27T16:33:07 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T16:36:26 < dongs> http://store.steampowered.com/app/302440/ just waht i need 2014-09-27T16:38:39 < Steffanx> dongs, is the MCP73831 any good as simple single cell lipo charger? 2014-09-27T16:39:06 < dongs> its pretty small, are you sure you want that? 2014-09-27T16:39:28 < dongs> oh tehre's a sot23 2014-09-27T16:39:36 < dongs> there's a common sot23 one that theres some clones of 2014-09-27T16:39:56 < dongs> STChttp://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/sense_power/FM142/CL848/SC969/PF144263 2014-09-27T16:40:12 < dongs> oh, thats li-ion only tho 2014-09-27T16:40:20 < dongs> i used some BQ stuff for lipo, so cant comment on mcp one 2014-09-27T16:40:26 < dongs> BQ = TI 2014-09-27T16:41:19 < dongs> looks good tho, simple. if there's other vendors with same pinout + function, even better 2014-09-27T16:45:18 < Steffanx> Just wonder if it's a good idea charge the battery and power some device(20 mA or so, from the battery) at the same time. 2014-09-27T16:45:34 < dongs> thats what I did 2014-09-27T16:45:38 < dongs> works finee 2014-09-27T16:46:23 < dongs> i have a power switch (physical) disconnecting the battery from circuit so I could charge it standalone if I wanted to 2014-09-27T16:46:36 < dongs> but it works while charging too, of course 2014-09-27T16:52:32 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: the battery charger chip I was working with (nxp/philips pcf50633 PMU) stop CC charging phase when the current falls below some configurable threshold, and stops charging altogether till the battery is discharged below 85% or so. And that's really essential for LiIon cells, that's for sure. I would expect LiPo to be similar. 2014-09-27T16:53:20 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: so you probably need to make sure you can configure the appropriate threshold for you app. 2014-09-27T16:53:23 < PaulFertser> s/CC/CV/ 2014-09-27T16:53:57 < PaulFertser> Damn, s/you/your/ I hope you got the idea. 2014-09-27T16:56:53 < PaulFertser> The only thing that was powered directly from the cell and so had to be in parallel with it was GSM part, it needed really low ESR source so connecting in parallel with the charger was sort of appropriate. But if you care to save battery life when powering from external sources you should probably look at some PMU-like solution that would allow you to charge the battery and then keep powering the load separately. 2014-09-27T17:03:24 < jadew> hmm... there's no way of changing the endianess for UART transfers, is it? 2014-09-27T17:04:13 < dongs> no 2014-09-27T17:04:25 < jadew> so... another lie in the datasheet 2014-09-27T17:04:31 < Steffanx> oh, i'll look into that PaulFertser thanks 2014-09-27T17:04:45 < jadew> they say it supports the ISO 7816-3 standard, which requires both LSB and MSB transfers 2014-09-27T17:05:43 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I'm not sure it's correct for LiPo though, check http://batteryuniversity.com/ yourself please. 2014-09-27T17:14:41 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: yeah, http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries says the algorithm is exactly the same so you same considerations apply. 2014-09-27T17:23:21 < dongs> i wonder if there's bitcoinuniversity 2014-09-27T17:31:25 < akaWolf> yeah, algorithm for li-ion and li-pol should be same 2014-09-27T17:32:32 < akaWolf> but algorithm exactly shouldn't worry you... 2014-09-27T17:33:05 < akaWolf> just the right chip and right schematic 2014-09-27T17:33:49 < akaWolf> with the current, defined by resistors.. 2014-09-27T17:47:15 < Steffanx> that website is useful, so much( maybe even too much) info, thanks PaulFertser :) 2014-09-27T17:51:50 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T17:59:02 < Steffanx> PaulFertser designed the openmoko? It's like the only reference to that nxp chip you mentioned :) 2014-09-27T18:02:08 < dongs> heh 2014-09-27T18:02:17 < dongs> wouldnt be surprised, its opensauce! 2014-09-27T18:02:20 < akaWolf> Steffanx: what has this to do with openmoko? 2014-09-27T18:06:04 < Steffanx> akaWolf, he mentioned the pcf50633 and some gsm module. Openmoko is one of the few that mention that chip 2014-09-27T18:06:23 < akaWolf> Steffanx: ah, ok :) 2014-09-27T18:10:39 -!- talsit [~talsit@219.107.199.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-27T18:14:54 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: nope, I was (and still is) a user, and was dragged into kernel and other low-level (and most of the high-level) stuff by the community. Had to fix plenty of shit so it worked for me as a phone :) 2014-09-27T18:16:20 < dongs> you should upgrade to bendable phone 6plus 2014-09-27T18:17:18 < Steffanx> It's all mind power dongs: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/uri-geller-identifies-the-real-reason-the-iphone-6-bends-2014-09-24 2014-09-27T18:19:06 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-27T18:25:07 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0adc61.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T18:28:24 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T18:30:06 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T18:56:42 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/FatherlyKaleidoscopicAtlanticsharpnosepuffer 2014-09-27T19:01:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-27T19:14:36 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-27T19:16:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.83] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T19:19:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.83] has quit [Client Quit] 2014-09-27T19:19:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.83] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T19:24:37 < Laurenceb__> can anyone help me with git? 2014-09-27T19:24:49 < Laurenceb__> i need to push my local repo to a branch on a remote repo 2014-09-27T19:25:45 < Laurenceb__> im trying the format 2014-09-27T19:25:46 < Laurenceb__> git push 2014-09-27T19:26:06 < Laurenceb__> error: src refspec Xelatex does not match any. 2014-09-27T19:26:15 < Laurenceb__> Xelatex is the branch name 2014-09-27T19:29:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-27T19:30:40 < Laurenceb__> fixed it nvm 2014-09-27T19:41:06 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T19:41:52 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-57-159.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-27T19:49:36 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-27T19:57:54 -!- bsdfox [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:01:06 < Rickta59> anyone used aliexpress? i just got an email telling me that my purchase protection is close to running out 2014-09-27T20:01:13 < Rickta59> i haven't received the item 2014-09-27T20:01:47 < Rickta59> although the seller indicates it has been shipped according to the tracking number i got .. but that was only 4 days ago 2014-09-27T20:01:58 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:03:22 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-27T20:04:43 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:04:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-27T20:04:52 -!- sterna2 [~Adium@129.16.159.144] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:05:02 < Rickta59> yikes .. sorry wrong window 2014-09-27T20:09:01 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-27T20:12:33 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-27T20:13:21 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:29:38 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:31:32 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-27T20:31:35 -!- xkonni_ [~konni@lvps5-35-240-61.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:31:57 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-27T20:36:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zcdgdbrisssaoery] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-27T20:37:44 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: saltire, mattbrejza, englishman, mervaka, xkonni, zyp, ntfreak, gxti, TeknoJuce01, SpaceCoaster, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-71-192-136-171.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- zyp [zyp@zyp.no] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- mattbrejza [~mattbrejz@kryten.hexoc.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- rigid [~rigid@unaffiliated/rigid] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- mervaka [~mervaka@mervaka.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:46:45 -!- gxti [~gxti@ada.partiallystapled.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T20:53:02 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-27T21:06:26 -!- alexn [~alexn@93.104.205.194] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-27T21:24:04 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [] 2014-09-27T21:24:18 -!- mringwal [~mringwal@77-58-32-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T21:51:24 -!- xkonni_ is now known as xkonni 2014-09-27T21:55:10 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T22:22:19 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-190-34-221.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-27T22:25:14 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-190-34-221.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-27T22:30:09 < englishman> am i retarded or is there no TIM4 in STM32CubeMX for f303 2014-09-27T22:30:12 < englishman> i thought it was just TIM8 that is on 303xB/C 2014-09-27T22:30:53 < Steffanx> you are retarded because you use timecub. 2014-09-27T22:30:56 < Steffanx> e 2014-09-27T22:30:58 < Steffanx> ? 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2014-09-28T00:48:19 < kakeman> without using any expensive or dedicated parts 2014-09-28T00:48:56 -!- indy [~indy@shadow.kastnerove.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T00:49:29 < [7]> hm... is there a particular reason why the TNT toolchain doesn't build a c++ compiler? i.e. could that be trivially added or is there any showstopper for that? 2014-09-28T00:50:05 < [7]> I'm considering to use some arduino-like C++ subset for an STM32 project 2014-09-28T00:53:13 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T00:56:44 < zyp> why are you using TNT? 2014-09-28T00:56:52 < zyp> use gcc-arm-embedded, it comes with g++ 2014-09-28T01:07:49 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0adc61.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-28T01:08:58 < gnomad> just throw the voltage into you AD converter 2014-09-28T01:10:23 < gnomad> and that is assumig you can even do low side current measurement (that is often not the case) 2014-09-28T01:12:09 < upgrdman> but wouldnt the shunt voltage be <0V? 2014-09-28T01:19:53 < gnomad> if you read the question that way, then the answer is no. 2014-09-28T01:21:28 < akaWolf> [7]: it's should be not so hard to add a gcc-cpp 2014-09-28T01:21:54 < qyx__> http://i.imgur.com/srxgNHI.png 2014-09-28T01:22:00 < qyx__> hopefully bit errors resolved 2014-09-28T01:22:28 < qyx__> Steffanx: ^ burst reads are really screwed somehow 2014-09-28T01:23:35 < qyx__> you can see glitches between bytes on MISO line 2014-09-28T01:25:56 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yiovoiooklzufctt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T01:27:00 < qyx__> also emeb_mac 2014-09-28T01:27:41 < akaWolf> [7]: just uncomment that line: https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT/blob/master/toolchain.sh#L17 2014-09-28T01:28:50 < emeb_mac> qyx__: what was the solution? 2014-09-28T01:28:58 < [7]> zyp, akaWolf: any particular reason to prefer TNT over gcc-arm-embedded or vice versa? 2014-09-28T01:29:07 < qyx__> emeb_mac: not doing burst FIFO reads 2014-09-28T01:29:28 < emeb_mac> qyx__: what's the alternative? 2014-09-28T01:29:53 < qyx__> read FIFO byte by byte, if i keep 8us between reads it works 2014-09-28T01:29:56 < zyp> [7], depends 2014-09-28T01:30:02 < akaWolf> [7]: you can build your own toolchain, change some compilation flags, etc. in the gcc-arm it much more difficult. 2014-09-28T01:30:12 < emeb_mac> qyx__: aha - don't do fast back-to-back reads 2014-09-28T01:30:14 < zyp> [7], do you have a particular reason to prefer either? if not, use gcc-arm-embedded 2014-09-28T01:30:44 < qyx__> emeb_mac: even better would be if i could configure delay in dma trigger 2014-09-28T01:30:56 < zyp> [7], gcc-arm-embedded just works and is well supported and should be the go-to solution if you don't have particular needs that suggests using something else 2014-09-28T01:31:50 < [7]> are they optimized for different things? (e.g. efficiency) 2014-09-28T01:31:52 < akaWolf> [7]: maybe also TNT give you a bit less binaries... 2014-09-28T01:31:58 < Steffanx> hmm, that sounds pretty bad 2014-09-28T01:32:04 < zyp> [7], it doesn't matter. 2014-09-28T01:32:49 < akaWolf> [7]: some difference is exist, but just a little 2014-09-28T01:38:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.83] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-28T01:40:25 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T01:42:06 < akaWolf> [7]: latest gcc-arm-embedded use a gcc 4.8, whilst TNT -- 4.9 2014-09-28T01:42:36 < akaWolf> minot differences.. 2014-09-28T01:42:41 < akaWolf> r* 2014-09-28T01:43:20 < Steffanx> the expect 4.9 tomorrow (for me tomorrow) akaWolf :P 2014-09-28T01:47:32 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-28T01:48:03 < gnomad> does that mean the q3 update going to be 4.9? 2014-09-28T01:48:45 < Steffanx> oh oops.. tomorrow next year :P 2014-09-28T01:49:20 < akaWolf> Steffanx: ok. you can change 2 lines and get a latest component in the TNT :) 2014-09-28T01:50:09 < akaWolf> depends at your goals.. 2014-09-28T01:55:32 < Steffanx> qyx__: i guess i didnt run into issues like that because my clock speed was pretty low and .. 2014-09-28T01:55:38 < Steffanx> and nothing. 2014-09-28T01:56:19 < qyx__> it doesn't work even at 2.6MHz 2014-09-28T01:56:26 < qyx__> i can try even lower 2014-09-28T01:56:33 < Steffanx> hmm, that's weird 2014-09-28T01:59:54 < gnomad> answering my own question, 4.9 is planed for the q4 release. 2014-09-28T02:05:09 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-173-192-219.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T02:07:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~Laurence@host86-190-34-221.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-28T02:10:08 < qyx__> http://i.imgur.com/VEujJ4m.png 2014-09-28T02:10:33 < qyx__> thats at 84MHz/256 2014-09-28T02:11:04 < qyx__> but the glitch is on SCK falling edge 2014-09-28T02:11:27 < qyx__> i should capture MISO on rising edge, so it shouldn't matter much 2014-09-28T02:57:03 < dongs> wat gliotch 2014-09-28T02:57:17 < dongs> oh that thing in red trace? 2014-09-28T03:14:14 < qyx__> yep, also here http://i.imgur.com/srxgNHI.png 2014-09-28T03:18:33 < dongs> is this your weird RF thingy 2014-09-28T03:19:04 < qyx__> meh 2014-09-28T03:22:07 < dongs> fucking altium. still cant figure out a reasonable way to duplicate layout+routing for modules 2014-09-28T03:25:22 < dongs> http://www.altium.com.cn/resources/solutions/Design%20Reuse%20Schematic%20to%20PCB.pdf this is so much extra shitwork 2014-09-28T03:26:32 < dongs> going to try anyway even if its a ids 2014-09-28T03:41:54 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-173-192-219.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-28T03:43:33 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T03:56:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yiovoiooklzufctt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-28T04:11:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-28T04:56:15 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-28T04:59:37 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T04:59:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-28T05:00:01 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-28T05:00:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T05:18:22 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2014-09-28T05:18:46 < emeb_mac> should have stuck with diptrace 2014-09-28T05:20:52 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-4-245.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T05:58:32 < GargantuaSauce> a text editor 2014-09-28T05:59:32 < GargantuaSauce> it's just c++ and opengl 2014-09-28T06:00:24 < GargantuaSauce> no, but it would probably compile fine in windows with some minor effort 2014-09-28T06:24:03 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-28T06:24:17 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T06:26:22 < aadamson> systick is after any prescalers right? 2014-09-28T06:26:32 < aadamson> I'm on an L1 and under clocking it 2014-09-28T06:26:36 < zyp> depends 2014-09-28T06:26:51 < aadamson> 16mhz xo, with sysclk of 16000000 bypassing the pll 2014-09-28T06:26:57 < aadamson> so the ahb prescaler is 2 2014-09-28T06:27:15 < zyp> systick has an internal source selection, that can either be sysclk or a separate external source that is vendor dependant 2014-09-28T06:27:16 < aadamson> so systick is /8 of 8000000 or 1000 right so far 2014-09-28T06:27:30 < aadamson> so here is my problem 2014-09-28T06:27:39 < zyp> and the latter isn't necessarily sysclk 2014-09-28T06:28:00 < aadamson> to set systick_config, I can't use systemcoreclock, because it's 16000000 2014-09-28T06:28:19 < aadamson> I think I need to use hclk 2014-09-28T06:28:28 < aadamson> which is after the prescaler 2014-09-28T06:28:50 < aadamson> I only ran into this because I decided to see if I could run at 8mhz in mode2 2014-09-28T06:29:03 < aadamson> and my systick IRQ is 2:1 to slow 2014-09-28T06:29:10 < aadamson> doesn't happen at 16mhz or 32mhz 2014-09-28T06:29:20 < aadamson> the later 2 use a prescaler of 1 2014-09-28T06:29:50 < aadamson> I suppose I also wouldn't have this problem is the external XO on HSE were 8mhz 2014-09-28T06:29:53 < aadamson> but it's 16 2014-09-28T06:30:04 < zyp> as per RCC chapter: 2014-09-28T06:30:07 < zyp> «The RCC feeds the Cortex System Timer (SysTick) external clock with the AHB clock (HCLK) divided by 8. The SysTick can work either with this clock or with the Cortex clock (HCLK), configurable in the SysTick Control and Status Register.» 2014-09-28T06:30:27 < aadamson> yep understood, it's using the /8 2014-09-28T06:31:04 < aadamson> SysTick_Config(SystemCoreClock / 1000); 2014-09-28T06:31:12 < aadamson> while that would normally give me a 1uS tick 2014-09-28T06:31:19 < aadamson> it's giving me a 2uS 2014-09-28T06:31:33 < aadamson> because systemcoreclock is 16mhz from the clock tool 2014-09-28T06:31:46 < zyp> ah, right, of course you have to use HCLK, because that's the cpu clock 2014-09-28T06:31:50 < aadamson> but hclk is 8mhz 2014-09-28T06:32:03 < aadamson> yeah ok... just wanted to make sure. 2014-09-28T06:32:24 < aadamson> so I get clocks and use .hclk 2014-09-28T06:33:05 < aadamson> SysTick_Config(clocks.HCLK_Frequency / 1000); 2014-09-28T06:33:12 < aadamson> should fix it for all scenarios 2014-09-28T06:33:22 < aadamson> with a call to get the clocks structure first 2014-09-28T06:33:53 < aadamson> RCC_GetClocksFreq(&clocks); 2014-09-28T06:33:55 < aadamson> that first 2014-09-28T06:56:35 -!- phantoneD [destroy@89.152.21.144] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T06:59:56 -!- phantoxeD [destroy@a89-152-21-144.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T07:07:40 < aadamson> thanks zyp btw! :) 2014-09-28T07:07:44 < aadamson> Im off to bed 2014-09-28T07:18:13 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@111.39.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T07:29:37 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@76.164.192.124] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T07:31:00 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T07:33:13 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@111.39.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-28T07:39:03 -!- bvsh_ [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-28T07:40:14 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T07:48:02 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-28T07:51:06 -!- vukcrni [~lupogriso@li607-220.members.linode.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T07:53:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T08:00:07 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T08:00:54 < dongs> oh fucking piece of shit 2014-09-28T08:01:13 < dongs> after dropping snipped on pcb, you cant fuckignselect half the traces on it, i thought it was doing something wrong, apparently its a bug 2014-09-28T08:01:20 < dongs> closed pcb and reopened and it works fien 2014-09-28T08:01:21 < dongs> fffff 2014-09-28T08:01:29 < dongs> spent like 30 minutes trying t o figure out why hte fuck it wasnt seelcting 2014-09-28T08:01:33 < dongs> thought I had shit locked or something 2014-09-28T08:01:48 < dongs> fucking closed soures 2014-09-28T08:09:39 < dongs> OK 2014-09-28T08:09:50 < dongs> figured out how to reuse stuff, too many steps but at least usable 2014-09-28T08:10:09 < dongs> faster than laying out everythign from scratch anyway 2014-09-28T08:12:17 < dongs> R2COM: i figured out how to reuse sch+pcb design in altidong 2014-09-28T08:12:21 < dongs> like 20 steps to do it tho 2014-09-28T08:15:17 < dongs> there's something more involved (device sheets) that I think might work better and it has dynamic designator stuffs, but for now ill stick with this way 2014-09-28T08:15:23 < dongs> http://www.altium.com.cn/resources/solutions/Design%20Reuse%20Schematic%20to%20PCB.pdf 2014-09-28T08:15:42 < dongs> there's a resync step involved which is kinda annoying 2014-09-28T08:53:31 < dongs> http://www.owensworld.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Fullsize/pictures/1239_89_pics_28063.jpg attn Laurenceb 2014-09-28T09:00:30 < GargantuaSauce> upgrdman i still find that combination of features pretty hilarious 2014-09-28T09:00:39 < upgrdman> :) 2014-09-28T09:00:57 < upgrdman> its a tool i use at work... a perfect combo for me 2014-09-28T09:01:30 < upgrdman> i need to test servos out for extended periods of time, i need to check rf output of radios, and i need to waste time with games when im tired of working 2014-09-28T09:02:02 < GargantuaSauce> hehe 2014-09-28T09:02:30 < englishman> http://hackaday.io/project/2736 2014-09-28T09:02:33 < englishman> all this shit 2014-09-28T09:02:50 < englishman> and what ties it together? 2014-09-28T09:02:52 < englishman> 328p 2014-09-28T09:02:58 < englishman> TMEGA328P - Low power ARM mcu with Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE) in one chip 2014-09-28T09:03:00 < englishman> w u t t 2014-09-28T09:03:09 < GargantuaSauce> what does the NO switch do? :D 2014-09-28T09:04:39 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce: its on/off. the manufucker thought they would make it so you can install the switch right side up or upside down, so the bottom text is always rightside up and the upper text is always upside down. ya, wtf... but a free switch. 2014-09-28T09:04:54 < englishman> lol theyre actually using a bluetooth daughterboard 2014-09-28T09:07:29 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@111.39.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T09:08:19 < GargantuaSauce> oh i like the waterfall mode. should use a single of column of pixels on one side to indicate where it's last drawn to though 2014-09-28T09:10:39 < upgrdman> good idea. ok 2014-09-28T09:23:15 < dongs> uhhh 2014-09-28T09:24:26 < dongs> 48x18mm... 2014-09-28T09:24:34 < dongs> whare the fuck do tehy expect to "implant" that 2014-09-28T09:24:54 < dongs> also i fucking hate hackaday.io shit 2014-09-28T09:25:01 < dongs> shit doesnt fucking fit into 1024x768 brwoser window 2014-09-28T09:25:14 < GargantuaSauce> and a quarter inch thick 2014-09-28T09:26:24 < jpa-> http://grindhousewetware.blogspot.ca/2014/03/grinding-high-stakes-endeavor.html?m=1 well if someone implants this, that 48x18mm is a piece of cake 2014-09-28T09:26:33 < GargantuaSauce> and a lipo battery holy fuck 2014-09-28T09:26:37 < GargantuaSauce> why would anyone implant a lipo battery 2014-09-28T09:26:45 < dongs> BUT ITS SUPER SAFE 2014-09-28T09:28:34 < dongs> tweeted that bionic shit to a dude who does medical boardz, hes still laughing 2014-09-28T09:28:34 < upgrdman> i wonder if someone will make an internet-of-things IUD or butt plug 2014-09-28T09:28:53 < upgrdman> streaming health stats out via bluetooth 2014-09-28T09:29:09 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T09:29:57 < jpa-> there is already http://www.vibease.com/ 2014-09-28T09:30:27 < dohzer> Hopefully someone can answer this. I noticed that in this STM32 DMA module, burst mode can't transfer across 1KB address boundaries. Does this mean that if I allocate a 1KB memory array, I need to specify (say, with a linker script section) that the array begin at the start of a 1KB block? 2014-09-28T09:30:44 < dongs> guess so 2014-09-28T09:31:17 < jpa-> nah 2014-09-28T09:31:27 < jpa-> i think it only has to be aligned to the burst size 2014-09-28T09:31:36 < dongs> o shit 2014-09-28T09:31:40 < dongs> this is steffanx project 2014-09-28T09:31:44 < jpa-> i.e. a single burst cannot cross a boundary, but the next burst can be in different page than first 2014-09-28T09:31:44 < dongs> http://hackaday.io/project/2736 < that 2014-09-28T09:31:46 < dongs> cuz 2014-09-28T09:31:49 < dongs> < Steffanx> dongs, is the MCP73831 any good as simple single cell lipo charger? 2014-09-28T09:31:52 < dongs> https://static.hackaday.io/images/4117831409666195774.jpg 2014-09-28T09:31:54 < dongs> busted! 2014-09-28T09:32:54 < englishman> haha 2014-09-28T09:32:56 < englishman> all the chips are super janky too 2014-09-28T09:32:58 < englishman> like the accel 2014-09-28T09:33:08 < dohzer> jpa-, so you believe that the 1KB burst can start at any point, but it must stop before going past 1KB and then start a new burst? 2014-09-28T09:33:19 < jpa-> dohzer: the burst is not 1 kB long 2014-09-28T09:33:37 < jpa-> maximum size of burst is 16 words, i.e. 64 bytes 2014-09-28T09:33:47 < jpa-> and you can configure it down to 16 bytes 2014-09-28T09:34:05 < jpa-> so as long as your memory is 64-bytes aligned it is fine 2014-09-28T09:34:09 < dongs> and why the fuck is tehre external i2c eeprom 2014-09-28T09:34:10 < dongs> man 2014-09-28T09:34:14 < dongs> that whole proj is just aids 2014-09-28T09:34:26 < englishman> thats why its making huge waves on hackaday 2014-09-28T09:34:46 < dongs> aids = huge aves? 2014-09-28T09:34:49 < dohzer> ah ok. but then the 1KB boundary can't fall within that 64byte burst? 2014-09-28T09:34:59 < jpa-> dohzer: correct 2014-09-28T09:35:19 < dohzer> what's the easiest way to ensure that? 2014-09-28T09:35:29 < jpa-> how are you allocating your memory? 2014-09-28T09:36:00 < jpa-> gcc has __attribute__((aligned(64))) 2014-09-28T09:36:06 < jpa-> most other compilers have something similar 2014-09-28T09:36:34 < dohzer> aha! That's basically what I was looking for. I was wondering if there was an attribute to do that! 2014-09-28T09:36:40 < dohzer> Thanks a lot! 2014-09-28T09:36:43 < jpa-> np 2014-09-28T09:37:59 < dohzer> I was thinking I'd have to allocate a specific chunk of memory, but that should solve everything. Cheers! 2014-09-28T09:38:00 < jpa-> when you cannot control the memory allocator (portable code or something), you can just allocate 64 bytes extra and then increment the base address so that it is aligned 2014-09-28T09:39:51 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/pnrDhM0.jpg 2014-09-28T09:41:49 < GargantuaSauce> should have grabbed an xbone for a pillow 2014-09-28T09:44:21 < akaWolf> jpa-: why is static linking with .a gives me a more size of a text section of binary, than compiling binary from the same sources, from which I get a .a? 2014-09-28T09:45:37 < jpa-> akaWolf: which is larger? the final binary or the intermediate .a? 2014-09-28T09:46:08 < akaWolf> jpa-: I compare a final binary 2014-09-28T09:46:18 < akaWolf> d 2014-09-28T09:46:27 < jpa-> basically .a is just a collection of .o, so if you put the same .o into .a and then take them out of there again, there should be no difference 2014-09-28T09:46:46 < jpa-> so maybe you are using different compilation flags or something? 2014-09-28T09:46:50 < akaWolf> not 2014-09-28T09:46:54 < akaWolf> all the same 2014-09-28T09:47:20 < jpa-> diff the objdump -t output? 2014-09-28T09:48:15 < akaWolf> just with gcc-size.. 2014-09-28T09:49:02 < jpa-> no, it was a suggestion.. arm-none-eabi-objdump -t binary1.elf > foo1; arm-none-eabi-objdump -t binary2.elf > foo2; diff foo1 foo2 2014-09-28T09:49:14 < jpa-> shows what symbols or sizes differ 2014-09-28T09:50:48 < akaWolf> I compared it with the size util..ok, thanks, can't check it right now, will check it tomorrow 2014-09-28T10:05:21 -!- DanteA [~X@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T10:14:33 -!- DanteA [~X@188.134.9.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T10:36:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.32] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T10:38:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-28T10:58:37 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T11:21:52 -!- baird_ 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if yes, that would be rather nice, because it would mean that some 64pin devices could do RMII 2014-09-28T17:39:50 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T17:40:49 < TheSeven> does someone have an F205RC around, and could do some tests if the ethernet MAC seems to exist? 2014-09-28T18:02:06 -!- madiz [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-28T18:08:47 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-30-210.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T18:10:18 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-36-126.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-28T18:13:07 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-28T18:22:36 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T18:23:37 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T18:24:47 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T18:34:41 -!- phantoneD is now known as phantoxeD 2014-09-28T18:39:30 -!- hjf [hjf@unaffiliated/hjf] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T18:41:52 < hjf> I'd like to make an ethernet project with STM32 F4 (i have the f4 discovery board). but i don't understand what library should i use. uip, lwip, st's cube, freertos..? 2014-09-28T18:42:46 < PaulFertser> hjf: lwip, with freertos if you need rtos. Stay away from uip in all cases you can use lwip. 2014-09-28T18:43:15 < PaulFertser> hjf: chibios is also a very popular rtos among stm32f4 users. 2014-09-28T18:43:20 < hjf> hm 2014-09-28T18:43:42 < hjf> well it's for a simple project really, I want to make an "internet radio" of sorts, 2014-09-28T18:43:58 < hjf> i made one with PIC18 and VS1053 for MP3/AAC decoding 2014-09-28T18:44:01 < englishman> dongs: it makes working code with a single buttonclick 2014-09-28T18:44:04 < englishman> you should like that 2014-09-28T18:44:24 < hjf> but since F4 is more powerful it should be able to handle the Ethernet, IP and MP3 decoding on its own 2014-09-28T18:44:30 < hjf> maybe even AAC decoding? 2014-09-28T18:44:54 < hjf> my pic18 implementation just used state machines, not RTOS 2014-09-28T18:45:37 < gnomad> have you picked an ethernet module yet? 2014-09-28T18:45:58 < hjf> nah not yet. i built one but i don't know if it works 2014-09-28T18:46:06 < hjf> i used this phy chip, DMsomething 2014-09-28T18:46:27 -!- joph [~joph@unaffiliated/joph] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2014-09-28T18:46:28 < gnomad> and another option is one of those $20 TP-link pocket routers. 2014-09-28T18:46:44 < gnomad> of course, that is so easy it takes all the fun out of things. 2014-09-28T18:46:44 < hjf> explain? 2014-09-28T18:47:08 < hjf> you mean the little 3G+wifi thing tplink makes? 2014-09-28T18:47:12 < gnomad> they are tiny little linux boxes. 2014-09-28T18:47:22 < gnomad> with ethernet and wifi built in 2014-09-28T18:47:39 < hjf> heh well i'd need it to have an I2S output\ 2014-09-28T18:47:42 -!- baird_ [~cjb@ppp121-44-30-210.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-28T18:48:00 < gnomad> for audio? just use a cheap usb sound dongle. 2014-09-28T18:48:18 < hjf> nah these suck. 2014-09-28T18:48:19 < PaulFertser> gnomad: and there're also 10$ ralink-based 2g/3g/4g routers, supported by OpenWrt out of the box, 2014-09-28T18:48:20 < hjf> too noisy 2014-09-28T18:48:45 < hjf> this is my audio player 2014-09-28T18:48:45 < gnomad> well, pay for the audio quality you desire. 2014-09-28T18:48:46 < hjf> http://i.imgur.com/fU8qfFs.jpg 2014-09-28T18:49:19 < gnomad> If you are driving an amp with spdif, it doesn't really matter. 2014-09-28T18:49:38 < hjf> gnomad: but these cheap usb thingys don't have spdif afaik 2014-09-28T18:50:12 < hjf> still, i want to work with ARM... i'm a bit bored of PICs already 2014-09-28T18:50:24 < TheSeven> hjf: SPDIF USB thingys start at ~$30 2014-09-28T18:50:44 < hjf> is there a step by step guide on how to use this? microchip spoiled me with their detailed instructions on how to add each file to the project and whatnot 2014-09-28T18:50:56 < hjf> i mean, how to use freertos or whatever 2014-09-28T18:51:12 < TheSeven> no idea about RTOSes, but I do have ethernet running on F4discovery 2014-09-28T18:51:28 < hjf> i'm not familiar with development for this at all 2014-09-28T18:51:33 < gnomad> I'm using a turtle beach dongle. $20 at best buy. 2014-09-28T18:51:34 < TheSeven> with my own phy/mac drivers and lwip 2014-09-28T18:51:36 < hjf> i only made a LED blink so far 2014-09-28T18:51:43 < gnomad> pretty sure you can do much better on ebay 2014-09-28T18:51:51 -!- joph [~joph@unaffiliated/joph] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T18:53:21 < gnomad> yeah, plenty of options under $10. 2014-09-28T18:53:47 < gnomad> oddly none in dongle form factor. 2014-09-28T18:54:34 < gnomad> Anwyays, it is a $20 - $30 no-brainer project. 2014-09-28T18:54:57 < gnomad> or rather, it can be. 2014-09-28T18:55:08 < TheSeven> stm32 MAC driver for lwip: http://paste.pm/jad.c 2014-09-28T18:55:54 < TheSeven> phy driver for dp83848: http://paste.pm/jae.c 2014-09-28T18:56:23 < TheSeven> plus a bit of glue around the whole thing 2014-09-28T18:56:43 < TheSeven> http://paste.pm/jaf.c 2014-09-28T19:00:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T19:02:46 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-28T19:06:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T19:15:07 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0adc61.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T19:31:33 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-28T19:35:56 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T19:50:21 < Steffanx> i would've called it vibarse and sent you my first version to try dongs. 2014-09-28T19:54:23 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T19:56:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgotffqptohobmkp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-28T20:01:25 < Steffanx> clang: error: unable to execute command: Segmentation fault: 11 ... yikes. 2014-09-28T20:05:12 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-28T20:08:09 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has quit [Quit: Bye] 2014-09-28T20:08:19 -!- MrM0bius is now known as MrMobius 2014-09-28T20:10:21 -!- daku [daku@dakus.dk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T20:12:31 < gxti> you know you're having a good time when your compiler is segfaulting 2014-09-28T20:15:57 -!- emeb [~ericb@68.2.62.85] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T20:17:05 -!- hjf [hjf@unaffiliated/hjf] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T20:18:06 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T20:41:42 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@109.200.21.178] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T20:43:07 -!- alan5 [~quassel@85.210.225.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-28T20:44:40 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@90-231-35-179-no154.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T20:49:16 < Tectu> Steffanx, stop compiling wxwidgets 2014-09-28T20:49:35 < Tectu> gxti, even worse is when your debugger is segfaulting... 2014-09-28T21:04:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-28T21:16:45 < TheSeven> does someone have a clue whether SDRAM is useful on STM32F427/429? how fast is it? fast enough to execute code from it? does 16 vs. 32bit bus width make a large difference? 2014-09-28T21:19:01 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [] 2014-09-28T21:19:07 < zyp> sdram is burst read, you don't want to execute code from it without a cache 2014-09-28T21:19:30 < zyp> you'll probably have better luck going with stm32f7 if you want to do that 2014-09-28T21:19:38 < zyp> since cortex-m7 includes cache 2014-09-28T21:20:29 < TheSeven> what about 16 vs. 32bit? is 32bit worth going for? 2014-09-28T21:21:43 < TheSeven> also, did you get my message about vector table remap on cortex-m0? 2014-09-28T21:28:21 < emeb> TheSeven: I've done a bit of work with SDRAM - it's not particularly fast. Fine for data, slow for code. 2014-09-28T21:28:51 < TheSeven> I guess it's mostly useful for graphics, file system buffers, streaming buffers, etc.? 2014-09-28T21:29:03 < emeb> yes 2014-09-28T21:29:08 < emeb> I use it for audio data 2014-09-28T21:29:10 < emeb> Also - 16-bit vs 32-bit? Only -8 or -16 is supported 2014-09-28T21:31:21 < TheSeven> hm, what are those D16..D31 lines good for then? 2014-09-28T21:31:26 < TheSeven> only for SRAM? 2014-09-28T21:33:27 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-28T21:34:00 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T21:34:28 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-28T21:35:42 < gxti> since you can run uclinux on f4 i guess that means using memory protection to implement paging to sdram is an option 2014-09-28T21:47:00 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-28T21:48:44 < TheSeven> also, zyp, do you have an idea whether f205 == f207 or not? 2014-09-28T21:49:08 < TheSeven> I think I remember someone from ST telling me that these are identical chips with different factory tests 2014-09-28T21:49:22 < gnomad> Has uClinux completely abandond their focus of running on hardware without a MMU? 2014-09-28T21:49:43 < TheSeven> I'm wondering if F205RC might have ethernet if I'm lucky... because F207 isn't available in an R package 2014-09-28T21:50:07 < gxti> gnomad: what makes you think that? 2014-09-28T21:50:25 < gxti> i'm pretty sure that's the entire point of the project. if you have a MMU you just use regular linux. 2014-09-28T21:51:20 < gnomad> "since you can run uclinux on f4 i guess that means using memory protection to implement paging to sdram is an option" 2014-09-28T21:51:25 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T21:52:22 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@90-231-35-179-no154.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-28T21:52:53 < gxti> i'm probably wrong about that, but either way i'm not sure how you got "uclinux requires a MMU" out of that 2014-09-28T21:53:17 < gxti> memory protection != MMU (virtual memory) 2014-09-28T21:54:18 < gxti> you can run uclinux on f4. f4 does not have a MMU. therefore uclinux obviously does not require a MMU. 2014-09-28T21:54:29 < gnomad> ok. gotcha. 2014-09-28T21:55:48 < emeb> TheSeven: you're right about 32 bit. Possible, but not available on any but larger BGA pkgs. 2014-09-28T21:56:02 < TheSeven> emeb: and LQFP176, IIUC 2014-09-28T21:56:23 -!- alan5 [~quassel@85.210.224.102] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T21:56:25 < emeb> nice 2014-09-28T21:58:14 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@109.200.21.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-28T22:00:35 < upgrdman> is there a name for this type of pcb antenna? it's has a very simple shape instead of the usually squigglyness. http://www.farrellf.com/temp/pcb_antenna.jpg 2014-09-28T22:01:07 < upgrdman> in case it's not obvious, that a piece of coax with the shield soldered to the bottom and the center conductor soldered to the top 2014-09-28T22:03:30 < qyx_> just weird-shaped dipole? 2014-09-28T22:03:47 < upgrdman> ok 2014-09-28T22:03:52 * upgrdman googles "dipole" 2014-09-28T22:04:24 < gxti> dipoles would be two separate wires 2014-09-28T22:04:32 < qyx_> they are two, arent they? 2014-09-28T22:04:40 < gxti> oh that's coax 2014-09-28T22:04:42 < gxti> yeah dipole 2014-09-28T22:05:21 < gxti> looked like a single conductor at first 2014-09-28T22:05:40 < qyx_> speaking of weird shapes .. http://www.aetherczar.com/wp-content/uploads/CIMG0754.jpg 2014-09-28T22:08:48 < kakeman> you guys done any fractal antennas? 2014-09-28T22:09:13 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T22:13:51 < qyx_> you mean like http://www.tsc.upc.es/fractalcoms/fractals/gallery/Tree.JPG 2014-09-28T22:14:20 < qyx_> or http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/fractal-tv-antenna.jpg 2014-09-28T22:14:37 < qyx_> more like art than antenna stuff 2014-09-28T22:27:53 < BrainDamage> fractal antennas don't deliver much better characteristics over simpler shapes and are much more complicated to implement, tht's why they are so rare 2014-09-28T22:53:00 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T22:54:53 -!- joph [~joph@unaffiliated/joph] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2014-09-28T23:04:52 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-28T23:25:43 < Sync> BrainDamage: but they look cool! 2014-09-28T23:25:44 < Sync> :P 2014-09-28T23:34:14 * TheSeven wonders if jpa- is around 2014-09-28T23:49:37 < qyx_> omg those new icons in eagle :S 2014-09-28T23:49:49 < qyx_> at least there is an option to use old 2014-09-28T23:52:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-28T23:56:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-28T23:59:36 < gxti> storing ipv6 addresses runs you out of eeprom real fast 2014-09-28T23:59:46 < gxti> gonna have to write some eeprom emulation crap soon --- Day changed Mon Sep 29 2014 2014-09-29T00:12:53 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T00:14:18 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-29T00:17:53 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-29T00:19:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T00:21:58 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-29T00:38:25 < TheSeven> hm, does anyone have an f207 based device around? 2014-09-29T00:38:36 < TheSeven> er, f205, not f207 2014-09-29T00:40:43 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T00:54:03 -!- hjf [hjf@unaffiliated/hjf] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T00:54:28 < hjf> does anyone have a working gdb server for stlink? I'm trying to follow chibios' instructions but they're outdated, 2014-09-29T00:55:00 < hjf> they point to some proprietary tool (truestudio) and newer versions only accept connections from their own program 2014-09-29T00:55:36 < hjf> i found an "stlink" tool but i get flash loader run error 2014-09-29T00:55:47 < upgrdman> what os 2014-09-29T00:55:51 < hjf> Windows 2014-09-29T00:56:10 < upgrdman> in linux i use openocd. iirc they have a windows version too 2014-09-29T00:56:22 < hjf> i also found some openocd binary but it doesn't include an stlink driver 2014-09-29T00:56:51 < upgrdman> weird. the linux version supports my stlinkv2 2014-09-29T00:56:55 < TheSeven> hm, I used to have one back when I used windows for this kind of thing 2014-09-29T00:57:20 < hjf> yeah i get "stlink no such driver"or so, and a huge list of available drivers 2014-09-29T00:59:14 < upgrdman> hjf: you using the latest version? 0.8.0 support stlink v1 and v2. http://sourceforge.net/projects/openocd/files/openocd/0.8.0/ 2014-09-29T01:00:22 < hjf> Open On-Chip Debugger 0.8.0 (2014-04-28-08:42) 2014-09-29T01:00:40 < hjf> Error: The specified debug interface was not found (stlink) 2014-09-29T01:04:24 < upgrdman> :( 2014-09-29T01:05:52 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-29T01:06:58 < qyx_> hjf: you will probably have to compile it yourself 2014-09-29T01:07:30 < qyx_> aha windows 2014-09-29T01:11:36 < hjf> hm i found a 0.9 that supports it 2014-09-29T01:11:42 < hjf> but how do i make it serve on tcp? 2014-09-29T01:11:57 < hjf> xPSR: 0x01000000 pc: 0x08000188 msp: 0x20000800 2014-09-29T01:12:02 < hjf> thats the last line i get 2014-09-29T01:13:04 < qyx_> it should by default 2014-09-29T01:13:07 < qyx_> localhost:3333 2014-09-29T01:14:21 < qyx_> or maybe not, just try it 2014-09-29T01:17:08 < hjf> ah led blinls 2014-09-29T01:17:09 < hjf> ah led blinks 2014-09-29T01:17:15 < hjf> seems like it's working now 2014-09-29T01:17:32 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0adc61.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-29T01:17:33 < hjf> way more painful than i expected, oh god 2014-09-29T01:17:55 < upgrdman> hjf: i use a script for openocd and gdb. 2014-09-29T01:18:12 < upgrdman> then a simple "make debug_server" and "make debug" 2014-09-29T01:18:22 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/stm32f0-empty-project/blob/master/config_openocd_stm32f0.cfg 2014-09-29T01:18:35 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/stm32f0-empty-project/blob/master/config_gdb.cfg 2014-09-29T01:44:20 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-29T02:03:54 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T02:16:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T02:17:45 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boEb8zKfPBo 2014-09-29T02:30:35 < upgrdman> anyone here familiar with flyback smps's? why is the secondary wound the other way? (dot on bottom instead of top) 2014-09-29T02:32:06 -!- alan5 [~quassel@85.210.224.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-29T02:34:02 < qyx_> flyback doesn't use transformer, it is coupled inductor with air gap 2014-09-29T02:34:51 < qyx_> if you apply current through inductor and then stop it, current of opposite polarity starts to flow 2014-09-29T02:36:41 < upgrdman> isn't a transformer and a coupled inductor the same thing except for opposite polarities? 2014-09-29T02:37:16 < qyx_> physically similar, but inductor stores energy between cycles, transformer not 2014-09-29T02:38:29 < upgrdman> would anything change if you used a transformer instead of a coupled inductor in a flyback smps? 2014-09-29T02:38:42 < qyx_> yes, it would saturate 2014-09-29T02:39:00 < qyx_> you need airgap in the core 2014-09-29T02:39:24 < qyx_> you can buy ready-made gapped flyback inductors 2014-09-29T02:40:07 < upgrdman> a regular toroid core wouldn't work? 2014-09-29T02:40:52 < qyx_> transformers (without gap) can be used in symmetrically driven topologies, fullbridge for example 2014-09-29T02:41:12 < qyx_> it wouldn't 2014-09-29T02:43:26 < qyx_> also, if you are considering isolated topology, you either have high pri/sec ratio or you need that isolation 2014-09-29T02:43:47 < qyx_> yo you should choose your core/coilformer accordingly to get the required isolation 2014-09-29T02:43:52 < qyx_> *so 2014-09-29T02:45:23 < upgrdman> wouldn't a couple inductor or transformer give you isolation ? 2014-09-29T02:46:05 < qyx_> yes, it will, but not toroid unless you use something to keep your windings apart 2014-09-29T02:46:36 < upgrdman> how so? no electrical contact between prim/sec windings, no? 2014-09-29T02:47:22 < qyx_> yep, but there are some requirements on creepage/clearance distance, insulation strength, etc. 2014-09-29T02:47:59 < qyx_> you would need to use coilformer even on toroid to satisfy those 2014-09-29T02:48:45 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2014-09-29T02:48:49 < upgrdman> but that is strictly because of risk of arcing between prim/sec, right? 2014-09-29T02:48:55 < qyx_> actually i haven't seen isolated smps with toroid so far 2014-09-29T02:50:40 < qyx_> why do you want flyback? for what purpose? 2014-09-29T02:51:19 < upgrdman> im just curious. i have no plans for anything concrete at the moment 2014-09-29T02:51:31 < upgrdman> i made a boost. it worked. now im slowing trying to expand my knowledge 2014-09-29T02:53:27 < dongs> sup dongs 2014-09-29T02:53:42 < qyx_> inductor windong 2014-09-29T02:53:46 < dongs> < hjf> but since F4 is more powerful it should be able to handle the Ethernet, IP and MP3 decoding on its own 2014-09-29T02:53:50 < dongs> um even F103 can do that easily 2014-09-29T02:54:22 < qyx_> maybe even some M0 parts 2014-09-29T02:54:28 < dongs> F4 can definitely do AAC as I made a digital radio receiver with it 2014-09-29T02:54:30 < qyx_> there were decoders claiming just 24mips complexity 2014-09-29T02:54:43 < dongs> using freetard AAC stuff, too 2014-09-29T02:55:01 < dongs> im sure if I wasnt a cheapfuck and licensed some proper AAC decoder it would be even better 2014-09-29T02:55:30 < qyx_> hows aac with patent fees? free decoding? 2014-09-29T02:55:39 < dongs> A complete audio IP package is available on request from ST, containing functions ranging from codecs optimized for STM32F4, such as MP3, WMA, AAC and voice codecs to sound-processing algorithms leveraging the high performance of the STM32F429/F439. These include smart volume control, filters for loudness, bass mix and other controls, and stereo widening and synchronization utilities such as sample-rate converters and clock-drift compensation. 2014-09-29T02:55:45 < dongs> hah 2014-09-29T02:55:57 < dongs> qyx_: i dont think so but that wasnt my concern, i just did hw/sw 2014-09-29T02:56:14 < dongs> but I think we have soem mpeg4 licensing shit for other stuff anyway 2014-09-29T02:56:25 < dongs> so it might have been covered by that 2014-09-29T02:57:00 < dongs> someone "request" that codec pack fromST 2014-09-29T02:57:20 < dongs> doesnt sound like it involves money 2014-09-29T02:58:35 < upgrdman> qyx_: why is that there a massive primary side current spike when the primary switches on? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_converter#mediaviewer/File:Flyback_converter_PSS_kneepoint_trace.png 2014-09-29T02:58:58 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-173-192-219.range86-173.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-29T03:01:30 < qyx_> i cannot even get to wiki, stealing interwebs from neighbors now 2014-09-29T03:01:42 < upgrdman> ok 2014-09-29T03:03:22 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-29T03:04:43 -!- _unreal_ [~laptop@99-60-102-25.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T03:04:57 < qyx_> upgrdman: because you are effectively shortening the input through the inductor 2014-09-29T03:05:02 < _unreal_> WOW I was not expeting to find a channel for the stm32 2014-09-29T03:05:13 < qyx_> using switcher connected between gnd and the inductor 2014-09-29T03:05:48 < upgrdman> qyx_: doesn't an inductor limit current di/dt (until saturated) ? so should the waveform be a smooth ramp up? 2014-09-29T03:06:12 < qyx_> it is 2014-09-29T03:06:23 < qyx_> wait, you meen that spike on the picture? 2014-09-29T03:06:25 < qyx_> *mean 2014-09-29T03:06:27 < upgrdman> yes 2014-09-29T03:06:38 < upgrdman> that very short spike at the bottom of the "ramp" 2014-09-29T03:06:41 < _unreal_> ok well in any case I'm looking at using an stm32f4-discovery board I have as a controller for a builder bot and or a cnc mill. I'm looking at getting the STM32F4DIS-BB - EXPANSION daughter board 2014-09-29T03:06:46 < qyx_> i don't know why is it there 2014-09-29T03:06:53 < upgrdman> ok. 2014-09-29T03:08:17 < Steffanx> parasitic capacitance ..? 2014-09-29T03:15:13 < dongs> i dont see how STM32F4DIS-BB is going to help CNC or Builder Bot 2014-09-29T03:16:34 < qyx_> buy a smoothieboard o whatever it was 2014-09-29T03:16:34 < upgrdman> whats -bb? 2014-09-29T03:17:28 < dongs> upgrdman: base board 2014-09-29T03:17:40 < dongs> its got uSD, LCD breakout, and a eth phy 2014-09-29T03:17:50 < dongs> and breaks out all tthe F4 pins out , AGAIN 2014-09-29T03:18:19 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/photos/STMicro%20Photos/STM32F4DIS-BB.JPG 2014-09-29T03:19:20 < dongs> oh 2014-09-29T03:19:22 < dongs> maybe that FPC is for camera 2014-09-29T03:19:24 < dongs> not lcd 2014-09-29T03:19:41 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/photos/STMicro%20Photos/STM32F4DIS-WIFI.jpg haha 2014-09-29T03:20:05 < dongs> this is under HEALTHCARE AND WELLNESS 2014-09-29T03:20:05 < zyp> somebody is a photoshop pro 2014-09-29T03:20:13 < dongs> which one? 2014-09-29T03:20:14 < dongs> the pins? 2014-09-29T03:20:17 < dongs> yeah the scame is off 2014-09-29T03:20:18 < dongs> scale 2014-09-29T03:21:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-29T03:22:40 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/UJY87jd.jpg 2014-09-29T03:29:42 < aadamson> for all the duino guys, finally something that *almost makes sense* - http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardZero 2014-09-29T03:31:39 < qyx_> uhm "realize truly innovative ideas for smart IoT devices" 2014-09-29T03:31:41 < zyp> is that BGA? 2014-09-29T03:32:15 -!- Ian_ [522f6d88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.47.109.136] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-29T03:32:38 -!- Ian_ [522f6d88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.47.109.136] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T03:33:23 < aadamson> Hehe, it's arm 7 in bga interfacing the rest of the world to the m0+... (made that up, but yeah the left on is bga it appears0 2014-09-29T03:33:32 < aadamson> http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/Arduino_Zero_front.png 2014-09-29T03:34:19 < zyp> I guess they're buying a ton of them since it's custom labelled EDBG 2014-09-29T03:34:50 < zyp> is the jtag port for programming external parts? 2014-09-29T03:35:03 < aadamson> hehe, now that was funny! :) 2014-09-29T03:35:19 < zyp> interestingly enough there's also the unpopulated port labelled swd 2014-09-29T03:38:59 < dongs> > use 48pin qfp 2014-09-29T03:39:04 < dongs> > in retarded form factor 2014-09-29T03:39:08 < dongs> > not breakout the rest of pins 2014-09-29T03:39:14 < dongs> i guess tarduino dudes will nhever notice 2014-09-29T03:40:09 < zyp> heh 2014-09-29T03:40:35 < zyp> just look forward to the ones believing they are clever ghettoing wires to the remaining free pins 2014-09-29T03:41:25 < dongs> im gonna guess edbg is just jlink or something 2014-09-29T03:41:28 < dongs> like the stuff in sam-ice 2014-09-29T03:44:04 < qyx_> i am not even able to load this #&@@@ arduino png iomage 2014-09-29T03:44:10 < dongs> Atmel.s choice to use CMSIS-DAP for the debug interface is very smart. I can.t tell you how much time I.ve wasted with rubbish proprietary debuggers from ST, TI and even Atmel.s terrible AVR debuggers. 2014-09-29T03:44:15 < dongs> oh, even better 2014-09-29T03:44:16 < dongs> yay 2014-09-29T03:44:18 < dongs> its cmsis-dap 2014-09-29T03:46:33 < upgrdman> qyx_: you use lynx or something to access the intertubes? 2014-09-29T03:50:26 < qyx_> no, firefox, it stopped loading for the x-th time now, refreshing 2014-09-29T03:58:00 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T03:58:30 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrpimuswfdguuldy] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T04:19:33 < _unreal_> dongs, and whats worng with using the STM board for cnc 2014-09-29T04:21:17 < GargantuaSauce> _unreal_: i would (and do) just stick the f4disco on top of perfboard to interface with other stuff reasonably reliably 2014-09-29T04:21:55 < _unreal_> having ethernet, and SD are a nice feature to add on 2014-09-29T04:22:06 < GargantuaSauce> this is true 2014-09-29T04:22:42 < _unreal_> the unit its self is capable of being totally self contained with the add on's, 2014-09-29T04:23:21 < _unreal_> I could get the smoothie but it cost money. and I already have the same thing 2014-09-29T04:24:12 < _unreal_> besides it would be great IMO to have an STM32 GPL code for running CNC. what ever 2014-09-29T04:24:38 < GargantuaSauce> definitely with you on that one 2014-09-29T04:24:41 < _unreal_> it would become a drop in replacement. 2014-09-29T04:24:59 < GargantuaSauce> currently procrastinating on exactly that 2014-09-29T04:25:26 < _unreal_> ? 2014-09-29T04:25:43 < GargantuaSauce> an stm32 cnc+reprap controller 2014-09-29T04:26:25 < _unreal_> I've done a lot of searching and cant find a damn thing. blows me a way the amount of code out there for small walker bots balance bots and other stuff but there is just little to nothing for cnc 2014-09-29T04:27:06 < GargantuaSauce> smoothieboard is pretty close, just happens to be nxp based 2014-09-29T04:27:46 < Lux> you can also just get an lpcexpresso and put the smoothieboard software on it 2014-09-29T04:27:57 < _unreal_> My second use I'd like to use one for though its over kill by 1000% as an lcd controller/single motor controller and feed back for my media pc though thats a project WAY in the future 2014-09-29T04:33:16 < _unreal_> lol again get an lpcexpresso one must add a daughter card to it to add the features needed 2014-09-29T04:33:26 < _unreal_> just like the STM 2014-09-29T04:33:49 < _unreal_> thats why I'm saying the code from the smoothie would be a great candidate for porting to the stm32 2014-09-29T04:33:52 < GargantuaSauce> these are strictly devboards after all 2014-09-29T04:34:16 < _unreal_> ? 2014-09-29T04:37:22 < _unreal_> so would that not be development? porting GPL code for one uC arm system to an other? 2014-09-29T04:37:52 < GargantuaSauce> no i mean it's not unexpected that a devboard doesn't have all the onboard periphrals you want 2014-09-29T04:38:44 < _unreal_> the only difference I see, correct me if I'm worng. is that the smoothie boards are an open gpl board design and software but the creator is making $ off of the sail of the fab'ed boards rightly so. 2014-09-29T04:39:04 < _unreal_> then yes I agree with you 100% 2014-09-29T04:39:35 < _unreal_> GargantuaSauce, do you have any big plans for the stm boards? 2014-09-29T04:40:20 < GargantuaSauce> i am just a hobbyist really, all the stuff currently in my sights for development is mostly for my own use 2014-09-29T04:40:28 < GargantuaSauce> dont have a huge interest in commercialization or anything 2014-09-29T04:40:43 < _unreal_> ditto 2014-09-29T04:40:46 < GargantuaSauce> just getting started with actual hardware design though 2014-09-29T04:41:04 < _unreal_> do you have any CNC machines 2014-09-29T04:41:15 < GargantuaSauce> i have a mendel that is the bane of my existence 2014-09-29T04:42:26 < _unreal_> define :)..... bane 2014-09-29T04:42:50 < GargantuaSauce> i hate the firmware and the antiquated hardware it runs on 2014-09-29T04:42:59 < _unreal_> eeeee nothing like stomping on a palmetto bug 2014-09-29T04:43:12 < _unreal_> heh 2014-09-29T04:44:00 < _unreal_> well I think I may have planted a course for direction??? stm32 maker bot.... badabing... 2014-09-29T04:44:30 < _unreal_> heh 2014-09-29T04:47:12 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL9-119-243-84-71.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-29T04:54:24 < _unreal_> ? 2014-09-29T05:00:36 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T05:08:58 < upgrdman> you could make a 3d printer controller and print out some glow in the dark dildos 2014-09-29T05:09:26 < upgrdman> specifically for 3d printer people: http://www.dildo-generator.com/ 2014-09-29T05:09:38 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-29T05:10:58 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T05:24:43 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T05:38:26 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T05:41:56 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pisupply/gert-vga-666-kit-hardware-vga-for-raspberry-pi?ref=category 2014-09-29T05:41:59 < dongs> no, really 2014-09-29T05:44:12 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2091603040/totem-the-premium-full-featured-virtual-reality-he?ref=category and hyere come occulus dick'd clonese 2014-09-29T05:45:20 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/willpemble/protopalette-for-arduino-0?ref=category lol 2014-09-29T05:46:34 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nophone-usa/nophone-0?ref=category yess 2014-09-29T05:49:49 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1914770673/lens-tab-iphone-6?ref=category now i need one 2014-09-29T05:50:54 < zyp> you sound bored 2014-09-29T05:51:13 < dongs> no, i ned to finish routing a board but im assburgering instead 2014-09-29T05:53:26 < _unreal_> so thats what all that damn noise was 2014-09-29T05:56:31 < dongs> holy shit 2014-09-29T05:56:41 < dongs> zyp, that xc6 is $6.5 2014-09-29T05:56:52 < zyp> which? 2014-09-29T05:56:53 < dongs> thats cheaper than 3A 2014-09-29T05:57:00 < dongs> XC6SLX9-2FTG256C 2014-09-29T05:57:03 < _unreal_> who and what? 2014-09-29T05:57:17 < zyp> how does LX9 compare to 200A in size? 2014-09-29T05:57:39 < zyp> not that size matters for my project 2014-09-29T05:57:55 < zyp> I might go with xc6 for the next revision 2014-09-29T05:58:01 < dongs> not sure actually ;d 2014-09-29T05:58:07 < dongs> Number of Logic Elements/Cells9152 2014-09-29T05:58:16 < zyp> before that I still need to actually assemble the boards I got :p 2014-09-29T05:58:22 < dongs> indeed 2014-09-29T05:58:43 < zyp> I have all the parts now, I just can't be assed to clean off my desk so I have a place to put the reflow oven 2014-09-29T05:59:02 < dongs> Number of Logic Elements/Cells4032 2014-09-29T05:59:03 < dongs> 200A 2014-09-29T05:59:14 < dongs> XC3S200A-4FTG256C 2014-09-29T05:59:17 < dongs> i think this is what you got before? 2014-09-29T05:59:23 < zyp> yep 2014-09-29T05:59:35 < zyp> right, so 200A is on par with LX4 then 2014-09-29T05:59:51 < zyp> which IIRC is the smallest xc6 2014-09-29T06:00:20 < dongs> hah, digikey has no stock on any bga LX9 2014-09-29T06:01:32 < dongs> for that price maybe ill just add that in my hdmi>dp thing and use it as a scaler or something 2014-09-29T06:02:16 < zyp> just use it to swap the order of the signals if the chips doesn't match 1:1 :p 2014-09-29T06:02:20 < dongs> yes 2014-09-29T06:02:23 < dongs> exactly 2014-09-29T06:02:43 < dongs> cuz its like 48 bits of shit 2014-09-29T06:02:45 < zyp> «fuck vias, I'll just use an fpga instead» 2014-09-29T06:03:10 < gxti> shitbits 2014-09-29T06:03:39 < dongs> fecalbits.com 2014-09-29T06:04:18 < upgrdman> 404 2014-09-29T06:04:21 < upgrdman> :( 2014-09-29T06:07:18 < dongs> i will probably need it for this weird IO standard one of the chips uses 2014-09-29T06:07:22 < dongs> "low swing I/O 2014-09-29T06:07:36 < dongs> its like 1.2Vpp, idle at 600mV high at 1.2V 2014-09-29T06:07:44 < dongs> kinda like LVDS but without D part 2014-09-29T06:07:49 < dongs> or at least thats what it seems 2014-09-29T06:08:01 < dongs> i think i'd need to use vref pins for the banks connected to that shit 2014-09-29T06:11:13 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T06:11:59 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-29T06:23:07 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-29T06:23:23 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T06:24:05 < jadew> some iso documents are... mind numbing 2014-09-29T06:25:01 < jadew> I and P are variables, which define the active state of an input (VPP). The only information related to that: - Maximum programming current : Ipp = 1mA. - Programming voltage : Vpp = P.V 2014-09-29T06:25:33 < jadew> V from P.V is not a variable, it's not described anywhere 2014-09-29T06:28:54 < jadew> other funky shit, from the same document: initial etu = 372/fi s; work etu = (1/D)*(F/fs) s; 2014-09-29T06:29:16 < jadew> where fs and fi are the same variable, they just used different names for it, in the same freaking sentence 2014-09-29T06:37:00 < reportingsjr> jadew: that.. that is bad 2014-09-29T06:38:30 < jadew> reportingsjr, the whole standard is pretty stupid to begin with 2014-09-29T06:38:31 < dongs> jadew: 7816 hasn't needed a programming voltage for almost anything in years 2014-09-29T06:38:37 < dongs> whats funky about 372 stuff? 2014-09-29T06:39:06 < jadew> dongs, the fact that they used fi and fs to refer to the same thing: the clock of the card 2014-09-29T06:39:15 < dongs> its notr same thing tho 2014-09-29T06:39:28 < dongs> fi = initial clock, after ATR it usually doubles 2014-09-29T06:39:29 < dongs> thus fs 2014-09-29T06:40:18 < jadew> ok, I guess that could fly 2014-09-29T06:40:56 < dongs> < done smartcard stuff, both host and on card fw 2014-09-29T06:41:41 < jadew> neat, I may have some questions for you if you don't minde (not now tho, atm I get it) 2014-09-29T06:41:54 < jadew> *mind 2014-09-29T06:42:18 < dongs> yeah, just blog them and if im around ill asnwer 2014-09-29T06:42:42 < jadew> here's one actually, any idea why a card would send the TS twice? 2014-09-29T06:44:45 < jadew> if that's not the TS, it means T0 has the same value with TS, which is... a crappy coincidence at this stage 2014-09-29T06:47:25 < jadew> oh, and since we're on the subject, here's something interesting: 2014-09-29T06:47:42 < jadew> in our country we have two main mobile carriers, vodafone and orange 2014-09-29T06:48:32 < jadew> I was sniffing the data between the phone and the card (vodafone phone + card) 2014-09-29T06:48:54 < dongs> mhm 2014-09-29T06:48:54 < jadew> and decided to initialize the card on the bench 2014-09-29T06:49:03 < jadew> (same sequence) 2014-09-29T06:49:05 < jadew> it worked fine 2014-09-29T06:49:17 < jadew> then I used an orange card, no ATR 2014-09-29T06:49:34 < jadew> turns out the vodafone phone is sending a 250 kHz clock 2014-09-29T06:49:39 < jadew> (for the ATR) 2014-09-29T06:49:47 < jadew> and the orange card doesn't work with that 2014-09-29T06:50:03 < jadew> it needs ~1 MHz + 2014-09-29T06:50:52 < jadew> I suppose vodafone figured this out and made these phones use the 250 kHz clock for the ATR, so you can't use orange cards with them 2014-09-29T06:51:03 < dongs> i'm not really sure how T0 would be same as TS, like 3F or something? 2014-09-29T06:51:05 < dongs> or is your card 3B 2014-09-29T06:51:11 < jadew> 3B 2014-09-29T06:52:24 < dongs> hurrrr that doesnt realyl make sense. so it means you'll have like 11 historical bytes and TC/TD 2014-09-29T06:52:41 < jadew> TA/TB 2014-09-29T06:52:42 < dongs> does that match with the rest of the shit yourre seeing? 2014-09-29T06:52:57 < jadew> not really 2014-09-29T06:53:12 < jadew> actually let me count 2014-09-29T06:53:26 < jadew> with out TD there should only be 11 characters after TB 2014-09-29T06:53:40 < dongs> something like tha 2014-09-29T06:58:16 < jadew> I have 14 after TS 2014-09-29T06:58:18 < jadew> so T0 2014-09-29T06:58:31 < jadew> TA, b + 11 2014-09-29T06:58:34 < jadew> yeah, it adds up 2014-09-29T06:59:05 < jadew> wait 2014-09-29T06:59:29 < jadew> no, it adds up 2014-09-29T07:00:11 -!- emeb [~ericb@68.2.62.85] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-29T07:00:27 < jadew> thanks for the hint 2014-09-29T07:03:35 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-123-214.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T07:06:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrpimuswfdguuldy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-29T07:14:00 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-21.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T07:39:27 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T07:42:48 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-29T07:49:32 < dongs> god damn im so stoned 2014-09-29T07:49:36 < dongs> ffff 2014-09-29T07:55:08 < emeb_mac> uh, right 2014-09-29T07:55:25 < emeb_mac> where is dongs and what have you done with him> 2014-09-29T08:44:17 < jadew> R2COM, they might be, but I don' 2014-09-29T08:44:30 < jadew> *don't believe they can sustain a war right now 2014-09-29T08:53:15 < dongs> no, japan is fucked 2014-09-29T08:56:02 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T09:18:23 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-29T09:21:56 -!- saltire [~saltire@95.85.18.197] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T09:22:10 < englishman> hmh, are there any examples of usb with stm32cube 2014-09-29T09:23:50 < dongs> only on the 4th day of each month st has some for donwload 2014-09-29T09:30:11 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-29T09:31:22 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-29T09:35:28 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqnbqhbejrtrblxu] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T09:40:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T09:45:17 -!- johntramp [~john@122-57-213-205.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-29T09:47:11 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T09:47:52 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T09:48:49 -!- johntramp [~john@122-57-213-205.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T09:51:53 -!- Smd_ [Smd_@79.114.28.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-29T09:56:06 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.105.154] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T10:00:43 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-29T10:10:55 < emeb_mac> nice scope: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI0MlgxMDU5/z/JZYAAOSwd4tUKGb3/$_57.JPG 2014-09-29T10:16:39 < madist> why is that guy wearing women's clothes ? 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My browser became unstable, and suggested I look at the "suggestions for unstable browser"... It crashed on opening that page. I managed to finally open the suggestions and it suggested to uninstall the extension.... The browser crashed when I neared the uninstall button of the extension........ 2014-09-29T11:15:21 < qyx_> reminds me 404 error while serving 404 error page 2014-09-29T11:16:52 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.105.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-29T11:17:58 -!- Smd_ [~Smd_@79.114.40.219] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T11:45:47 -!- jon1012 [~jon@pha75-14-88-162-134-157.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T11:51:26 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T11:52:41 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-21.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-29T11:56:14 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T12:05:23 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-29T12:30:44 -!- alan5 [~quassel@109.73.68.162] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T12:55:50 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T13:01:31 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-29T13:04:47 -!- maneulyori [~maneulyor@211.168.182.3] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T13:05:31 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-29T13:11:38 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T13:21:23 -!- TeknoJuce01 [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-29T13:41:53 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-29T13:49:16 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T13:53:17 < kakeman> jlink came 2014-09-29T13:55:37 < kakeman> nice 2014-09-29T13:56:40 < PaulFertser> kakeman: 10$ ebay clone? Works? 2014-09-29T14:03:23 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T14:04:06 < kakeman> i think it was around 15$ 2014-09-29T14:04:35 < kakeman> will find out i the evening 2014-09-29T14:06:53 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-29T14:06:58 < kakeman> *in 2014-09-29T14:16:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqnbqhbejrtrblxu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-29T14:23:42 < kakeman> if it's clone it's a ok 2014-09-29T14:24:42 < kakeman> don't you think? 2014-09-29T14:26:22 < PaulFertser> kakeman: no idea, the ebay description page looks cryptic enough to make me worry. 2014-09-29T14:33:00 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: it's a common issue for the clones :) 2014-09-29T14:56:52 < kakeman> there is clone and there is copy and there is cheao copy 2014-09-29T14:57:27 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T15:23:37 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vsnvibqdkfdqteha] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T15:28:23 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T15:43:15 < zyp> hmm 2014-09-29T15:43:33 < zyp> anything fun I can buy from digikey or mouser? 2014-09-29T15:43:57 < zyp> I need a $11 item, and mouser quotes $42 in shipping for that 2014-09-29T15:44:09 < zyp> so I'd rather add $90 of stuff to get free shipping :p 2014-09-29T15:44:41 < kakeman> connectors 2014-09-29T15:44:53 < kakeman> terminal blocks 2014-09-29T15:44:58 < kakeman> wire 2014-09-29T15:45:27 < zyp> I don't want $90 of random connectors and wires I have no plans to use :p 2014-09-29T15:45:30 < englishman> kakeman: i had to dick with my jclone and change the serial number or something 2014-09-29T15:45:53 < englishman> installed some ancient avr tools to do it iirc 2014-09-29T15:46:11 < kakeman> *vomit* 2014-09-29T15:46:41 < kakeman> some demokit zyp? 2014-09-29T15:47:14 < zyp> yep, if there's any cool ones 2014-09-29T15:48:59 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T15:48:59 -!- blight [~greg@chello212186028041.tirol.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-29T15:48:59 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T15:49:11 < zyp> ah, they have the CC3200 demo kit for $35 2014-09-29T15:50:10 < zyp> not sure what I'm going to use that for though 2014-09-29T15:50:49 < kakeman> some energy harvesting board? 2014-09-29T15:51:00 < GargantuaSauce> get some big fets and half-bridge drivers 2014-09-29T15:51:29 < englishman> i got one here 2014-09-29T15:51:31 < englishman> not sure what im going to use it for either 2014-09-29T15:51:32 < GargantuaSauce> IRS210x and IRFB31N20 or something 2014-09-29T15:51:33 < englishman> web enabled toaster i suppose 2014-09-29T15:51:59 < zyp> englishman, it just sounds like a hassle to get going 2014-09-29T15:53:28 < englishman> how so? 2014-09-29T15:53:50 < englishman> like, how much more complicated than regular stm do you think 2014-09-29T15:53:59 < PaulFertser> englishman: was it needed to get it working with openocd or some proprietary tool? 2014-09-29T15:54:15 < englishman> dongs: http://www.righto.com/2014/09/mining-bitcoin-with-pencil-and-paper.html 2014-09-29T15:55:19 < englishman> why would i want to open my ocd 2014-09-29T15:56:16 < englishman> and i thought the whole reason jlink works well is it's proprietary...? 2014-09-29T15:58:17 < englishman> anyway i had to dick with it to make segger's software work 2014-09-29T15:58:19 < englishman> with afaik openocd needs 2014-09-29T16:00:39 < PaulFertser> openocd doesn't need any segger software. 2014-09-29T16:01:05 < dongs> um 2014-09-29T16:01:09 < dongs> if oyu have jlink you dont need openocd 2014-09-29T16:01:12 < englishman> ha, ok 2014-09-29T16:01:12 < dongs> jlink has gdbserver 2014-09-29T16:01:13 < dongs> done 2014-09-29T16:01:14 < englishman> oh 2014-09-29T16:01:25 < dongs> your trahs connects to jlinkgdbserver, not to failocd 2014-09-29T16:02:16 < PaulFertser> jlinkgdbserver is crap, and has only limited functionality, you can't flash CPLD with it, you likely can't debug MIPS etc etc. 2014-09-29T16:02:17 < englishman> which is a segger product right 2014-09-29T16:03:02 < akaWolf> dongs: stlink have gdb server 2014-09-29T16:03:04 < dongs> PaulFertser: you are very right, but I have no use for cpld flashing or mips debugging 2014-09-29T16:03:07 < dongs> akaWolf: aware 2014-09-29T16:03:11 < dongs> we're talkin about jlink 2014-09-29T16:04:15 < PaulFertser> dongs: are we supposed to discuss only your usecases here when evaluating hardware? ;) 2014-09-29T16:04:47 < dongs> PaulFertser: the guy is in #stm32 probably intending to use jlink with stm32, right???? 2014-09-29T16:05:01 < Steffanx> the guy is in ##stm32 2014-09-29T16:05:33 < kakeman> jlink used with lpc 2014-09-29T16:06:37 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: is openocd slower than native tool? looks like.. 2014-09-29T16:07:02 < PaulFertser> dongs: well, my purpose for asking was gathering some info about usability of those ebay jlinks so I can give an educated advice to openocd users. Also, many people here are using openocd with stlinks and jlinks, instead of vendors' shit-servers, so I had high chances of getting an informed answer. 2014-09-29T16:07:37 < dongs> PaulFertser: those ebay jlinks, switch them to cmsis-dap mode if you hate closed sores, 2014-09-29T16:07:44 < dongs> i presume openocd fully supports cmsis-dap? 2014-09-29T16:08:27 < englishman> it sez right on the site, jlink supports jtag only 2014-09-29T16:08:39 < PaulFertser> dongs: do they work in cmsis-dap? News to me. 2014-09-29T16:08:40 < dongs> wot 2014-09-29T16:09:20 < englishman> i dont know anything about debug servers, i click a button and it works 2014-09-29T16:09:21 < PaulFertser> englishman: ebay description page is likely a result of mistranslation from chinese, it's impossible to parse it reliably. 2014-09-29T16:09:29 < englishman> bro i looked at the openocd page 2014-09-29T16:10:22 < PaulFertser> dongs: openocd has an unoptimised cmsis-dap support, i.e. it works but somewhat slower than it could be. 2014-09-29T16:10:52 < englishman> — Interface Driver: jlink 2014-09-29T16:10:54 < englishman> Segger J-Link family of USB adapters. It currently supports only the JTAG transport. 2014-09-29T16:10:56 < englishman> need translation?? 2014-09-29T16:11:20 < dongs> from openocd page? 2014-09-29T16:11:24 < englishman> i guess you dont need the jlink at all if you have a parallel port 2014-09-29T16:12:58 < PaulFertser> englishman: OpenOCD dev version has SWD support for JLink, it's just yet to be released. 2014-09-29T16:13:23 < PaulFertser> englishman: but I should fix that documentation page before the release, that's right. 2014-09-29T16:15:13 < englishman> dongs: cmsis-dap feels like one of those lunixy "no protocol does everything we want, so we made another one" style things 2014-09-29T16:16:16 < englishman> what hw supports this? hid is nice 2014-09-29T16:16:50 < dongs> im thinking maybe ulink does and jlink doesnt 2014-09-29T16:17:02 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/ulink2/ulink2_boot_mode.htm 2014-09-29T16:17:03 < dongs> ah yeah that. 2014-09-29T16:17:05 < PaulFertser> englishman: http://openocd.zylin.com/2324 pushed, thank you for the report. 2014-09-29T16:17:18 < PaulFertser> Yep, ulinkme does. 2014-09-29T16:17:19 < englishman> heh :) 2014-09-29T16:17:40 < jon1012> someone played with the new epaper stm32 discovery board ? 2014-09-29T16:17:50 < dongs> i have it on my desk 2014-09-29T16:17:52 < dongs> does that count 2014-09-29T16:17:55 < zyp> same here 2014-09-29T16:17:59 < jon1012> same :) 2014-09-29T16:18:02 < zyp> have it but haven't plugged in 2014-09-29T16:18:03 < jon1012> but didn't play with it yet 2014-09-29T16:18:05 < dongs> i noticed the shit requires timecube 2014-09-29T16:18:13 < zyp> «requires» 2014-09-29T16:18:16 < englishman> how many devboards can you say the same of 2014-09-29T16:18:17 < dongs> so I didnt feel like fucking with it 2014-09-29T16:18:23 < englishman> dongs: but timecube is cooool 2014-09-29T16:18:31 < jon1012> wtf is timecube ? :) 2014-09-29T16:18:38 < zyp> englishman, f429 and f072 too 2014-09-29T16:19:18 < GargantuaSauce> jon1012: http://timecube.com 2014-09-29T16:19:29 < englishman> zyp heh 2014-09-29T16:19:30 < GargantuaSauce> not to be confused with stm32timecube, a library with similar construction 2014-09-29T16:24:09 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-09-29T16:30:31 < Laurenceb> anyone here ever connected to a samba printer server from linux? 2014-09-29T16:30:49 < Laurenceb> ive got an issue with large documents getting set to 0 bytes 2014-09-29T16:31:11 < dongs> haha, lunix printing 2014-09-29T16:31:15 < dongs> does it even work 2014-09-29T16:31:24 < dongs> last I checked you could only print to a postscript-supporting printer 2014-09-29T16:31:30 < dongs> from like 1986 2014-09-29T16:33:19 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, most GNU/Linux systems are using same printing system as OS X now. 2014-09-29T16:33:41 < dongs> not sure if that means much 2014-09-29T16:33:52 < PaulFertser> dongs: of course, all of them are capable to print to any postscript printers (including modern models) and plenty of PCL/whatever custom languages. 2014-09-29T16:34:35 < GargantuaSauce> i even have network printing working 2014-09-29T16:34:40 < GargantuaSauce> and it only took hours of effort! 2014-09-29T16:34:55 < gxti> printers suck anyway 2014-09-29T16:35:08 < PaulFertser> CUPS works out of the box mostly, zero effort. 2014-09-29T16:35:15 < gxti> even using quality windows drivers they find a way to fuck something up, because printers are the spawn of satan 2014-09-29T16:35:21 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-123-214.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-29T16:35:26 < PaulFertser> Network printing was supported since ages on all *nix systems. 2014-09-29T16:37:01 < Steffanx> but it can be a pita to get it functional, but mainly due to bad drivers from the manufacturers 2014-09-29T16:39:07 < Steffanx> Funny though, spend quite some time to get it functional one time, didn't work. Until os x came with some message "Heey, i found this and this network printer, do you want to use it?"... and it configured it for me and it WORKED :D 2014-09-29T16:41:52 < GargantuaSauce> i guess what i actually had to wrestle with was the scanner 2014-09-29T16:42:35 < karlp> what doesnt' work as well as I'd liked is offering my usb printer on linux to my gfs osx laptop on the network. 2014-09-29T16:42:52 < karlp> that still doesn't work, so she emails me pdfs. yay 2014-09-29T16:43:13 < akaWolf> dongs: linux isn't exist in the 1986... 2014-09-29T16:44:16 < Steffanx> neither did lunix. LUnix is from 1993 2014-09-29T16:44:17 < karlp> he meant printers from 86 2014-09-29T16:44:45 < akaWolf> karlp: ok 2014-09-29T16:44:52 -!- claude is now known as Claude 2014-09-29T16:46:08 < Steffanx> if wonder if linux/cups supports the old matrix printer that is still around here somewhere using some usb-converter. 2014-09-29T16:48:16 < Sync> it should 2014-09-29T16:49:07 < kakeman> a friend has old printer from 92 or so 2014-09-29T16:49:12 < kakeman> laser 2014-09-29T16:49:21 < kakeman> still running 2014-09-29T16:49:29 < kakeman> eats anything 2014-09-29T16:49:38 < kakeman> never whines 2014-09-29T16:50:08 < gxti> printers aren't so unreliable if you don't buy the disposable ones 2014-09-29T16:50:09 < Steffanx> it grows it's own trees for the paper as well? 2014-09-29T16:50:44 < gxti> i have a somewhat more modern HP that has worked well so far 2014-09-29T16:50:46 < madist> what's the maximum number of timers on any STM32 series part ? 2014-09-29T16:50:52 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-29T16:51:58 < Steffanx> Guessing that the f429 is the largest around.. 17? 2014-09-29T16:52:25 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T16:53:38 < madist> nice. I wonder if nxp has more. 2014-09-29T16:56:36 < dongs> last I looked NXP timers looked pretty shit 2014-09-29T16:58:11 < Steffanx> bool centerFirstPage; bool reallyDoCenterFirst; ... just in case you weren't sure the first time 2014-09-29T17:02:33 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@cnh809211917.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-29T17:02:55 < Laurenceb> wtf is this? Latex? 2014-09-29T17:03:43 < Steffanx> okular 2014-09-29T17:04:04 < Laurenceb> haha 2014-09-29T17:04:08 < Laurenceb> im using that atm 2014-09-29T17:04:17 < Laurenceb> lolz -> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/29403121 2014-09-29T17:04:36 < Laurenceb> "What is Fappening?" 2014-09-29T17:04:55 < dongs> http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/625/media/images/77869000/jpg/_77869213_dltytvqr.jpg 2014-09-29T17:04:58 < dongs> do not want 2014-09-29T17:05:03 < dongs> holy fuck that is so ugly on so many levels 2014-09-29T17:05:34 < GargantuaSauce> fierce 2014-09-29T17:05:41 < Steffanx> Laurenceb, i came across a video of you and your friend.. bending all iphones 6s in some apple store :P 2014-09-29T17:05:51 < dongs> link 2014-09-29T17:06:04 < Steffanx> can't find some non-dutch source of the video 2014-09-29T17:06:09 < dongs> thast ok 2014-09-29T17:06:22 < Steffanx> http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/6619008/77ef92bf/knulletjes_buigen_iphone_s_in_de_applestore.html 2014-09-29T17:06:30 < Laurenceb> lol Michael jackson nose 2014-09-29T17:08:34 < dongs> so bendgate is real?? 2014-09-29T17:09:13 < Laurenceb> what a couple of benders 2014-09-29T17:10:37 < Sync> lol what a bunch of troles 2014-09-29T17:10:47 < madist> https://windows.kde.org/ 2014-09-29T17:10:49 < zyp> uh 2014-09-29T17:11:17 < Laurenceb> lol 2014-09-29T17:11:18 < zyp> I'm pretty sure I'd be able to bend my phone until the screen shatters if I tried 2014-09-29T17:11:34 < zyp> I'm not sure what that would prove though 2014-09-29T17:12:10 < madist> dumpert.nl! that's the site where I saw a video of a skydiver's penis flapping in the wind 2014-09-29T17:12:17 < madist> back in the '90s 2014-09-29T17:12:23 < Laurenceb> amazing viewing 2014-09-29T17:12:53 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-29T17:12:54 < dongs> who the fuck would want to run KDE on windows 2014-09-29T17:12:59 < dongs> i mean, its the other way around 2014-09-29T17:13:05 < dongs> lunix fgts are dreaming of running useful windows apps 2014-09-29T17:13:07 < dongs> on their shitty OS 2014-09-29T17:13:17 < dongs> nobody wants shitty lunix joke of a desktop on windows 2014-09-29T17:13:29 < Laurenceb> obvious troll is obvious 2014-09-29T17:14:59 < GargantuaSauce> trying too hard today dongs 2014-09-29T17:15:12 -!- Luggi09 [~Luggi09@cnh809211917.pppoe.surfer.cnh.at] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T17:15:22 -!- Luggi09 is now known as Lux 2014-09-29T17:25:31 < GargantuaSauce> besides, it's the year of the linux desktop 2014-09-29T17:26:16 < madist> 3 months left. it can still be done. 2014-09-29T17:29:26 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T17:29:27 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-29T17:30:42 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T17:52:45 < kakeman> kde3.5 4eva 2014-09-29T17:55:28 < kakeman> is unofficial 3.5 still around? 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2014-09-29T19:40:41 < GargantuaSauce> a makefile 2014-09-29T19:40:41 < zyp> scons 2014-09-29T19:40:42 < reportingsjr> I was thinking of using scons since it is so nice and easy to read. 2014-09-29T19:40:42 < reportingsjr> zyp: do you have an example scons file for stm32 stuff? 2014-09-29T19:41:28 < zyp> for my own stuff I've integrated a set of build rules with my library so it's little work to use in projects 2014-09-29T19:41:34 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/SConstruct <- like this 2014-09-29T19:43:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T19:43:50 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/suzumebachi/tree/SConstruct?id=2fc77d2 <- here's an old one I wrote before integrating it with the library 2014-09-29T19:44:28 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.6.25.28] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T19:47:16 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T19:48:31 < reportingsjr> zyp: do you mind if I copy that second one (I will add a link back to that repo) for my projects? 2014-09-29T19:48:59 < zyp> not at all, don't worry about linking back 2014-09-29T19:49:22 < reportingsjr> zyp: I now see the COPYING file. I'll include that at the top. 2014-09-29T19:49:23 < reportingsjr> Thank you! 2014-09-29T19:49:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-29T20:08:55 < Laurenceb> calling bash gurus 2014-09-29T20:09:12 < Laurenceb> i have a binary file i want to process 2014-09-29T20:09:32 < Laurenceb> how can i grab x bytes following match of "PNG" in the file? 2014-09-29T20:10:12 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-29T20:14:36 < karlp> don't do it in bash? 2014-09-29T20:14:43 < Laurenceb> ghex might work i guess 2014-09-29T20:14:45 < Laurenceb> hmm 2014-09-29T20:14:57 < Laurenceb> or do it on pen and paper... 2014-09-29T20:15:35 < karlp> once you've got the offset, dd can take a file... 2014-09-29T20:15:53 < karlp> there's probablya perl oneliner to grap into a file 2014-09-29T20:16:00 < karlp> I think I've got a binary grep snippet somewhere 2014-09-29T20:17:00 < karlp> strings -a -t x filename | grep PNG will give you offsets 2014-09-29T20:18:03 < Laurenceb> ok 2014-09-29T20:18:09 < karlp> (maybe) 2014-09-29T20:18:34 < karlp> probably need -n 3 to get PNG as it's onlyt 3 chars 2014-09-29T20:18:36 < Laurenceb> how do i tell dd how much to copy? 2014-09-29T20:18:57 < karlp> man dd 2014-09-29T20:18:59 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: bs=1 count=Nbytes 2014-09-29T20:19:10 < PaulFertser> Or the opposite (more efficient) bs=Nbytes count=1 2014-09-29T20:19:31 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T20:19:45 < karlp> he's more likely to want bs=1 skip=offset count=howmanytograb 2014-09-29T20:19:52 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T20:19:57 < Laurenceb> yeah 2014-09-29T20:20:02 < PaulFertser> Yes, but that wasn't his question :) 2014-09-29T20:20:08 < karlp> yeah it was. 2014-09-29T20:20:16 < PaulFertser> "how much to copy" 2014-09-29T20:20:21 < Laurenceb> ok that works, just need to terminate the png at the right point 2014-09-29T20:20:52 < Laurenceb> time to work it out on paper lol 2014-09-29T20:21:33 -!- twixx [~Wenzel@hq.aura-optik.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-29T20:21:43 < Laurenceb> or just search for IEND 2014-09-29T20:21:44 < Laurenceb> doh 2014-09-29T20:22:02 < karlp> (this is when he realizes that tiff header packing is gross and non-standard and all sorts of bogus extra tags will turn up 2014-09-29T20:22:16 < karlp> there's almost definitely alreadya tool that willgrab what you're really trying to do 2014-09-29T20:24:02 < Laurenceb> lol its working 2014-09-29T20:24:05 < Laurenceb> opens in gimp 2014-09-29T20:24:13 < Laurenceb> somethings corrupted still tho 2014-09-29T20:24:47 < karlp> are you just trying to look for images in binary blobs? 2014-09-29T20:25:05 < PaulFertser> Then photorec is probably better suited for that. 2014-09-29T20:26:39 < karlp> as I suggested, there's almost definitely a solution already for what he's really trying, but he opens with such wonders as "how to binary grep in bash" :) 2014-09-29T20:31:30 < Laurenceb> heh 2014-09-29T20:36:30 < Laurenceb> works now :D 2014-09-29T20:41:13 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@78-167.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-29T20:44:14 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T20:44:52 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.6.25.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-29T20:48:20 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T20:52:46 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-29T20:55:34 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@178.154.50.126] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T20:58:24 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-29T21:06:43 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vsnvibqdkfdqteha] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-29T21:08:28 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-29T21:18:49 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-29T21:21:18 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T21:30:01 -!- AndreeeCZ_ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-29T21:31:15 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T21:34:32 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T21:36:04 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-181-199.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T21:45:12 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-29T21:50:33 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T21:52:10 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-29T21:57:08 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@178.154.50.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-29T22:11:29 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-221-232.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-29T22:14:09 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@dynamic-adsl-94-36-221-232.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T22:17:05 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-29T22:21:45 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T22:34:50 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T22:39:58 < aadamson> anyone want to field an answer for a pwm question... seems I just go brain dead around pwm for some reason... 2014-09-29T22:47:30 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T22:47:52 < qyx_> just ask 2014-09-29T22:53:19 < kakeman> my jlink has inside at91sam7s64au 2014-09-29T22:53:40 < kakeman> it says arm in corner of it 2014-09-29T22:53:56 < kakeman> then it has 2 buffer chips 2014-09-29T22:54:21 < kakeman> alvc164245 2014-09-29T22:56:00 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T22:57:36 -!- FreezingCold [~Freezing@CPE602ad06bea2a-CM602ad06bea27.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T23:03:01 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-190-35-103.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T23:03:02 -!- alexn [~alexn@aftr-88-217-181-199.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2014-09-29T23:06:37 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-29T23:10:23 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.6.25.4] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T23:14:48 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T23:15:53 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@dhcp144.chs.chalmers.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-29T23:17:01 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKSXFXb1kzWnllU2c&usp=sharing photos 2014-09-29T23:18:16 < Steffanx> lol what happened back of pcb kakeman? 2014-09-29T23:19:06 < Steffanx> *on the back 2014-09-29T23:19:11 < kakeman> chinese magic 2014-09-29T23:22:34 < kakeman> looks as if scrubed against some surface 2014-09-29T23:26:07 < gnomad> Is that an original or a knockoff? 2014-09-29T23:26:44 < kakeman> I don't know 2014-09-29T23:27:03 < kakeman> I'm not sure if I should touch this software cd 2014-09-29T23:27:13 < gnomad> well where did you get it? 2014-09-29T23:27:14 < kakeman> use it's stuff 2014-09-29T23:27:21 < kakeman> ebay 2014-09-29T23:27:31 < gnomad> private seller? 2014-09-29T23:28:35 < englishman> I don't know 2014-09-29T23:28:47 < gnomad> conversely, do known clones actually have "segger" markings on them? 2014-09-29T23:29:05 < kakeman> http://www.ebay.com/itm/390677365085 2014-09-29T23:29:14 < englishman> yes you do 2014-09-29T23:30:24 < gnomad> that's some pretty blatent mislabeling there. 2014-09-29T23:30:34 < englishman> gnomad: mine does 2014-09-29T23:40:09 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-29T23:51:11 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-29T23:52:29 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@185.6.25.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-29T23:53:28 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@217.155.204.2] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-29T23:55:37 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] --- Day changed Tue Sep 30 2014 2014-09-30T00:02:00 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T00:03:13 -!- candrian [~candrian@213.249.12.20] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T00:09:39 < candrian> hello i have interfaced SSD1289 color LCD using stm32F4 Discovery. I have the following problem. I can't get white color. I can get RED GREEN BLUE or compinations but when i try to get any color with higher values from (215,215,215) i don't get any color changes 2014-09-30T00:10:17 < zyp> ok 2014-09-30T00:22:45 < candrian> does anybody know what it could be? 2014-09-30T00:30:32 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-30T00:33:12 -!- mumptai [~calle@brmn-4d0adc61.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2014-09-30T00:38:50 -!- candrian [~candrian@213.249.12.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-30T00:38:51 -!- alan5 [~quassel@109.73.68.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-30T00:40:02 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-30T00:46:20 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-30T00:51:32 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-30T00:55:44 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T00:57:38 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T01:05:55 -!- Boyal [63f42a26@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.244.42.38] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T01:08:44 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T01:09:33 < Boyal> How does the interrupt work exactly on the stm32? Say a button connected to a port is pressed and an isr is started, but what exactly happens during that process? 2014-09-30T01:13:58 < zyp> lots of electrons moving around 2014-09-30T01:14:28 < zyp> you mean external interrupts specifically? 2014-09-30T01:14:47 < Boyal> ya 2014-09-30T01:15:37 < Boyal> The pc is execiting the last instruction, then an interrupt occurs. What will happen after that? 2014-09-30T01:15:47 < zyp> the EXTI peripheral will detect a pin state change as you've configured it to, and when it's detected it will raise the interrupt line to the CPU 2014-09-30T01:15:55 < zyp> oh, you mean general interrupt handling? 2014-09-30T01:16:19 < Boyal> Maybe 2014-09-30T01:16:24 < zyp> current working registers gets pushed to the stack and the ISR gets executed 2014-09-30T01:16:52 < Boyal> But how does the cpu knows there is an interrupt? 2014-09-30T01:17:12 < zyp> one of the interrupt lines gets asserted 2014-09-30T01:17:39 < Boyal> So the cpu is always pooling that line? 2014-09-30T01:18:28 < zyp> yep, and there's not one, there's like 80 or so of them 2014-09-30T01:18:42 < zyp> or more, or less, depending on which chip 2014-09-30T01:19:19 < Boyal> ok. Then if the cpu needs to pool, won't it take cpu cycles? 2014-09-30T01:19:51 < zyp> uh, no 2014-09-30T01:24:15 < Boyal> Can the interrupt vector table be at any location in memory or it has to be at one location? 2014-09-30T01:33:50 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqyvxpgulrgrpefi] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T01:51:38 < Laurenceb__> nobody knows... 2014-09-30T01:52:47 -!- ReadError [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-30T01:57:33 -!- DLPeterson [~hazelnuss@67.164.20.248] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-09-30T02:06:40 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@94.230.156.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T02:08:21 < Boyal> hmm 2014-09-30T02:08:50 < Boyal> Seems like not many people understand the internals of it :( 2014-09-30T02:09:01 < qyx_> or they are just sleeping 2014-09-30T02:10:09 < qyx_> Boyal: can be remapped, see VTOR register 2014-09-30T02:10:14 < gxti> Boyal: you can move it on coretex-m3/m4 2014-09-30T02:11:16 < gxti> it does have to be aligned, i think to 512 bytes 2014-09-30T02:16:55 < Boyal> ah 2014-09-30T02:19:04 -!- bvsh [~bvsh@unaffiliated/bvsh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T02:24:58 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-190-35-103.range86-190.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-30T02:32:14 < _unreal_> any one looking at using stm32 for CNC? 2014-09-30T02:37:08 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T02:42:30 < synico> using the stdperiph library, is the base address of Timer 3 CCR1 defined somewhere so I can use it for DMA? 2014-09-30T02:50:49 < synico> nvm, seems to be TIM3->CCR1 2014-09-30T03:02:16 < Boyal> I'm trying to get the blinky lights to work on my f4 discovery. Building is successful and flashed to the mcu. But led is not blinking. Should there be any change to the code? 2014-09-30T03:02:20 < reportingsjr> anyone know of a good resource for compiling with arm-none-eabi-gcc? 2014-09-30T03:02:35 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T03:04:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-30T03:13:07 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-30T03:14:49 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T03:14:49 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@135.0.37.71] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-30T03:14:49 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T03:24:52 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T03:29:23 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T03:33:08 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T03:46:42 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zqyvxpgulrgrpefi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-30T03:49:43 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T03:54:31 -!- kuldeepdhaka [~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-30T04:28:43 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-21.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T04:29:53 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-21.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T04:31:27 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-118-110-10-21.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T04:40:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-30T04:41:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T04:45:46 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-9.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T05:03:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-30T05:07:33 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T05:28:01 < Boyal> Is there much difference between the STM32F401 discovery board and other discovery boards because I can not get the blink light to work on it? Has anyone got that board? 2014-09-30T05:41:12 -!- Ian_ [522f6d88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.47.109.136] has left ##stm32 [] 2014-09-30T05:41:24 -!- Ian_ [522f6d88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.47.109.136] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T05:50:17 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-11.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T05:51:24 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T05:54:25 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-9.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T06:12:34 -!- madis_ [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:14:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:14:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 2014-09-30T06:14:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:14:56 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-30T06:17:32 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@75-128-35-99.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-30T06:18:31 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:21:40 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-11.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T06:21:51 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-09-30T06:22:06 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:24:47 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T06:25:37 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:25:53 -!- Lt_Lemming [~SPutnix@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-30T06:27:22 -!- Lt_Lemming [~SPutnix@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:27:38 -!- Lt_Lemming [~SPutnix@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-30T06:29:41 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:33:57 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-30T06:35:19 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:40:04 -!- Lt_Lemming [Lt_Lemming@232.6.233.220.static.exetel.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-30T06:45:49 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T06:45:57 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:50:17 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:50:36 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-56-254.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T06:52:20 < englishman> minecraft server on esp8266 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1zx0xV0pWw 2014-09-30T06:53:19 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T06:53:57 -!- synico [~squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T07:01:18 -!- synico [~squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T07:06:46 -!- Count_Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T07:10:09 -!- Niedar [~nnscript@ip68-110-154-15.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-30T07:22:17 < reportingsjr> zyp: I have been going through your scons files some more. The big question I have is.. how in the hell did you figure all of this out? Where is the documentation for gcc embedded arm?? 2014-09-30T07:30:11 < englishman> haha 2014-09-30T07:30:25 < englishman> what are you trying to do? 2014-09-30T07:30:48 < reportingsjr> englishman: start stm32 development on linux 2014-09-30T07:30:59 < reportingsjr> this is my first foray in to it and sheesh.. zero documentation 2014-09-30T07:31:07 < reportingsjr> At least I can't find any 2014-09-30T07:31:47 < reportingsjr> I am hoping to do quite a lot and actually learn so I don't want to blindly copy someone else's build files, but I just can't find anything! 2014-09-30T07:31:59 < englishman> yeah you're suppoesd to be a lunix+make+makefile expert before starting 2014-09-30T07:32:11 < reportingsjr> heh, awesome! 2014-09-30T07:32:16 < englishman> i managed to dick around and get eclipse working after a while, but im not a lunix guru so i cant really help you much 2014-09-30T07:33:13 < upgrdman> wtf. go to amazon.com. in the search bar type in condom. FIRST auto-complete: condoms for kids. what the... 2014-09-30T07:38:31 < GargantuaSauce> safety isnt just for adults! 2014-09-30T07:39:39 < GargantuaSauce> also it's not unlikely that that is a ....personalized search result 2014-09-30T07:39:50 < upgrdman> uh no 2014-09-30T07:39:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T07:40:29 < upgrdman> i've never search amazon for kids stuff of condoms before 2014-09-30T07:41:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T07:44:01 < upgrdman> try typing it into the amazon search bar. someone in ##elec seems to get the same result as me 2014-09-30T07:44:57 < GargantuaSauce> i didn't 2014-09-30T07:46:43 < ds2> Hmmmm 2014-09-30T07:48:13 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T07:48:23 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T07:51:58 < gxti> upgrdman: you probably got internet AIDS from clicking on dongs' links 2014-09-30T07:54:24 < upgrdman> lol 2014-09-30T07:56:03 < upgrdman> oh this might be random r/wtf links coming to bite me in the ass. i've probably clicked on some weird products that way. lol. 2014-09-30T07:59:08 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T07:59:36 < upgrdman> LOL http://i.imgur.com/3GDl82t.jpg 2014-09-30T08:01:33 < upgrdman> whos caligula 2014-09-30T08:03:45 -!- lanteau [~lanteau@cblmdm72-241-37-249.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-30T08:05:34 < emeb_mac> it's a matter of time 2014-09-30T08:05:48 < GargantuaSauce> not bad 2014-09-30T08:06:07 < GargantuaSauce> having a low productivity day 2014-09-30T08:06:28 < emeb_mac> "looks like someone has a case of the Mondays" 2014-09-30T08:06:47 < GargantuaSauce> where i come from someone would get their ass kicked for saying something like that, man 2014-09-30T08:07:02 < emeb_mac> +1 2014-09-30T08:07:12 -!- Intelaida [~webchat@188.134.9.161] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T08:07:37 < emeb_mac> apparently R2COM doesn't get the "Office Space" references 2014-09-30T08:07:47 < GargantuaSauce> i cocked it up anyway 2014-09-30T08:07:48 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guv5LUT1AFw 2014-09-30T08:08:03 < GargantuaSauce> you should watch that movie R2COM it's good 2014-09-30T08:09:09 * emeb_mac has a DVD of that sitting in a stack about 2' away 2014-09-30T08:09:17 < GargantuaSauce> what movies do you like 2014-09-30T08:11:58 < emeb_mac> And that's why Russia will be victorious over the US in the end 2014-09-30T08:12:13 < englishman> ooh nice 2014-09-30T08:12:22 < emeb_mac> while we're watching ironic comedies, they're thinking about military helicopters 2014-09-30T08:12:31 < englishman> here comes honey boo boo 2014-09-30T08:12:40 < emeb_mac> that too 2014-09-30T08:13:14 < englishman> here comes coaxial attack heli 2014-09-30T08:13:37 < emeb_mac> so once I was taking a plant tour of the place that makes the AH-64 2014-09-30T08:13:55 < emeb_mac> one of the people in the group asked if the pilots can eject... 2014-09-30T08:14:20 < emeb_mac> only after they blow off the rotors 2014-09-30T08:15:30 < emeb_mac> wonder how building explosive charges into the main rotor hub affects its ability to withstand a projectile hit 2014-09-30T08:16:11 < englishman> ahaha all the smoke when they shoot 2014-09-30T08:16:20 < englishman> legit russian movie, legit russian surplus ammo 2014-09-30T08:20:04 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-5.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T08:21:22 -!- tim3mob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T08:23:15 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T08:25:09 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-5.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T08:26:25 -!- tim3mob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-7.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping 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I have the following problem. I can't get white color. I can get RED GREEN BLUE or compinations but when i try to get any color with higher values from (215,215,215) i don't get any color changes 2014-09-30T12:30:55 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-6.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T12:31:04 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-6.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T12:35:23 < jpa-> umm, you mean it keeps the old color in that case? 2014-09-30T12:35:46 < mitsakos> yes 2014-09-30T12:37:17 < jpa-> maybe some very weird electrical interference problem? try lowering clock speed of the bus? 2014-09-30T12:41:03 < mitsakos> i use fsmc 2014-09-30T12:41:15 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T12:42:29 < jpa-> so increase wait states in fsmc config and see if it changes anything 2014-09-30T12:42:33 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lnnqicwqldybfkln] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T12:43:11 < jpa-> alternatively, scope the lines (especially WR) and see what it looks like 2014-09-30T12:43:47 < mitsakos> but how can it affect only white color? 2014-09-30T12:44:21 < jpa-> white color would have the largest number of lines changing at once 2014-09-30T12:44:23 -!- madist [madist@unaffiliated/madist] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-30T12:53:28 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T12:55:27 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-10.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T12:58:45 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-6.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T13:09:57 < mitsakos> what is the purpose of the window function in an LCD ? 2014-09-30T13:10:49 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-30T13:12:04 < Claude> mitsakos, when you only need to update a region on lcd (e.g. drawing a graph but the ui stays static) 2014-09-30T13:12:16 < mitsakos> ok thnx 2014-09-30T13:13:15 < jpa-> or quickly DMAing video to a rectangular area 2014-09-30T13:13:26 < jpa-> i think some TFT controllers can also scroll the window area 2014-09-30T13:13:54 < mitsakos> when you set a windows area the 0,0 changes to windows 0,0 ? 2014-09-30T13:14:20 < jpa-> ? 2014-09-30T13:14:25 < mitsakos> for example if i put a char on TFT 0,0 position and then set a windows at 100,100 2014-09-30T13:14:42 < mitsakos> and put a char to 0,0 position where is it going to be print? 2014-09-30T13:14:50 < mitsakos> on LCD's 0,0 or on window 0,0 ? 2014-09-30T13:15:28 < jpa-> maybe the window, but seems that every controller is a bit different 2014-09-30T13:15:34 < mitsakos> ah ok 2014-09-30T13:15:51 < Thorn> ssd1289 datasheet is pretty good, get one, it explains all the functions 2014-09-30T13:18:32 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T13:19:23 < mitsakos> i don't think so. For example i'm trying to understand what ID1 ID0 means in the Entry Mode (R11h) register but i can't find any info 2014-09-30T13:20:18 < Claude> usually you end up at 0,0 in your drawing window at 100,100 but sometimes as jpa- said the controllers interpret it differently 2014-09-30T13:21:02 -!- xorm [~hedonist@50-197-188-237-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T13:21:28 < Claude> mitsakos, ID1 ID0 are usually hardware pins which tell the controller chip in which mode it works (spi,mcu,etc etc) or which spi 'address' it should listen to 2014-09-30T13:21:54 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T13:22:11 < Thorn> id[1:0] is drawing direction 2014-09-30T13:22:28 < Thorn> try tweaking them and watch your picture flip 2014-09-30T13:22:38 < Thorn> iirc anyway 2014-09-30T13:22:49 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-10.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T13:35:23 < rewolff> TheSeven, I have a '205 development board (own design). But not at it right now. 2014-09-30T13:35:41 < rewolff> Tell me the addresses, and I'll see if I'm quicker than anybody else to dump them. 2014-09-30T13:37:58 < rewolff> (I thought I had found that my '031 had modules that only the '051 was supposed to have... Ha! they have one die and pretend it doesn't have a module and sell it cheaper.... Well.. turns out the board had a chip marked '051 after all....) 2014-09-30T13:40:46 < t1memob> they sell 103c8 cheaper but it still has 128k flash 2014-09-30T13:41:15 < t1memob> but flash size register says 64 2014-09-30T13:43:56 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T13:44:04 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T13:49:56 < Laurenceb> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/8194702/ 2014-09-30T13:53:19 < jpa-> timemob: yeah, and 103 with 256kB flash / 48 kB actually has 512kB / 64 kB 2014-09-30T13:53:26 < jpa-> * RAM 2014-09-30T13:53:36 < timemob> nice 2014-09-30T13:54:41 < rewolff> But, depending on yield, you might find bit-errors in the non-tested RAM/flash. 2014-09-30T13:55:41 < timemob> do a DOS style ram check on boot 2014-09-30T13:56:01 < timemob> 640KB OK 2014-09-30T13:56:11 < rewolff> (i.e. if they manage near-100% yield nowadays, it's unlikely that you'll encounter a problem, but if they just changed their process and have a significant portion of the chips failing tests, it becomes more likely you'll find errors on your RAM.) 2014-09-30T13:56:36 < rewolff> You mean: if (1) printf ("640K OK\r\n"); 2014-09-30T13:58:06 < jpa-> yeah, i had people run flash checks on some 10 DSO Quads bought at various times, on all of them the extra flash tested ok 2014-09-30T13:58:17 < Laurenceb> http://www.browndeertechnology.com/coprthr.htm 2014-09-30T13:58:54 < jpa-> on the other hand, at work i have an stm32f4 that is exhibiting flash problems (in the normal, factory-tested flash areas) 2014-09-30T13:59:10 < rewolff> the DOS RAM test is very very bad. Something like "for (all locations) ram[loc] = 0; for (all locations) if (ram[loc] != 0) error(); for (all locations) ram[loc] = 1; for (all locations) if (ram[loc] != 1) error(); " which will only catch stuck-at errors. 2014-09-30T14:00:03 < Steffanx> rewolff, it's not that ANYONE wants to wait for a proper ram test.. 2014-09-30T14:00:17 < rewolff> already a lot better is something like; for (all locations) ram[loc] = 0; for (all locations UP) {if (ram[loc] != 0) error(); ram[loc]=1} for (all locations DOWN) {if (ram[loc] != 1) error(); ram[loc]=0;" 2014-09-30T14:00:52 < jpa-> for (i..) ram[i] = i; etc. is also somewhat ok 2014-09-30T14:01:27 < rewolff> The bad ones cost O(4*ramsize), the slightly better ones O(5*ramsize), and the very good ones about two or three times that. 2014-09-30T14:01:56 < rewolff> *slightly -> "already much better". 2014-09-30T14:02:27 < jpa-> 4* or 5* inside O() notation make no sense 2014-09-30T14:02:37 < rewolff> And the "three times longer" should still be miliseconds on an STM32 checking 64 or 256k RAM. 2014-09-30T14:02:46 < rewolff> Officially no. 2014-09-30T14:02:59 < rewolff> OK. So the bad ones are O(N), the good ones O(N). 2014-09-30T14:03:03 < jpa-> you can just say "4 instructions per byte" :) 2014-09-30T14:03:04 < rewolff> Does that help? 2014-09-30T14:03:15 < rewolff> Formally correct, but of no use. 2014-09-30T14:04:08 < rewolff> I think the best algorithms are 19 operations per word. 2014-09-30T14:04:26 < rewolff> IIRC. 2014-09-30T14:06:16 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T14:08:23 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-30T14:09:44 < rewolff> TOP 9 attempted passwords by hackers trying SSH entry on my server: 79 1q2w3e4r 80 pass 81 abc123 82 12345 82 admin123 86 1qaz2wsx 88 123456 88 password 93 admin 2014-09-30T14:09:45 < rewolff> (By the time it gets logged they are connected to an SSH deamon that recognizes NO valid passwords... :-) ) 2014-09-30T14:10:32 < jpa-> should give them a fake shell and log commands also :) 2014-09-30T14:10:49 < rewolff> Yeah. Haven't gotten around to that yet.... 2014-09-30T14:10:52 < jpa-> with some luck, you'll find a poorly secured botnet and score some bitcoins 2014-09-30T14:11:10 < rewolff> haha. like the reverse nigerian scam. 2014-09-30T14:13:01 < rewolff> ("I'm revererend XXX of the YYYY society, but according to the society rules I can't do business with someone who is not a member of our society, so you need to pay membership....." ) 2014-09-30T14:30:25 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T14:30:26 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T14:34:31 < zyp> reportingsjr, what kind of documentation are you looking for? 2014-09-30T14:35:12 < zyp> gcc-arm-embedded has a good readme on embedded-specific options, and otherwise the official gcc documentation is pretty comprehensive 2014-09-30T14:43:52 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T14:43:55 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T14:50:40 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-11.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T14:53:23 -!- timemob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-8.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T14:57:11 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T14:57:49 -!- t1memob [~dongs@g1-27-253-251-11.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T15:07:12 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-30T15:14:18 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-30T15:15:11 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T15:23:52 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T15:38:21 -!- mitsakos [~candrian@adsl-22.109.242.121.tellas.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-30T15:38:35 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T15:53:40 -!- __rob2 [rob@host86-141-136-154.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T16:02:11 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T16:04:54 < Thorn> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/29/processors_and_mcus_start_to_collide_in_iot_as_arms_m7_shows/ 2014-09-30T16:20:24 -!- TeknoJuce [~TeknoJuce@xbmc/staff/TeknoJuce] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-09-30T16:23:35 < reportingsjr> zyp: where is that readme? That is a lot of what I am looking for 2014-09-30T16:23:50 < reportingsjr> zyp: also, the linker script you use, how did you create that? 2014-09-30T16:25:21 < zyp> I created it by writing it 2014-09-30T16:25:36 < zyp> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186123405/readme.txt <- gcc-arm-embedded readme 2014-09-30T16:25:38 < reportingsjr> zyp: :) Did you just pick random words and numbers? 2014-09-30T16:25:51 < qyx_> random? 2014-09-30T16:25:52 < zyp> no, I read the linker script documentation 2014-09-30T16:25:54 < reportingsjr> that is a bit better, thanks! 2014-09-30T16:26:03 < GargantuaSauce> a thousand zyps and a thousand typewriters... 2014-09-30T16:26:29 < zyp> http://sourceware.org/binutils/docs/ld/Scripts.html 2014-09-30T16:28:45 < reportingsjr> zyp: thank you very much, this is a much better starting point! 2014-09-30T16:37:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-09-30T16:38:10 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T16:39:04 < hjf> make: *** No rule to make target `etharp.c', needed by `build/obj/etharp.o'. Stop. 2014-09-30T16:39:09 < hjf> what could be causing this? 2014-09-30T16:39:21 < jpa-> a missing etharp.c comes to mind 2014-09-30T16:39:31 < hjf> the file is there 2014-09-30T16:39:47 < hjf> and i modified the makefile based on the lwip example from chibios 2014-09-30T16:39:48 < jpa-> then it is looking for it elsewhere for some reason 2014-09-30T16:40:25 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-09-30T16:40:55 < hjf> hm 2014-09-30T16:41:08 < hjf> well i adedded lwip.mk to my makefile 2014-09-30T16:41:39 < hjf> LWIP = ${CHIBIOS}/ext/lwip 2014-09-30T16:42:06 < hjf> so i added the lwip source tree as a linked folder to Eclipse as /ext/lwip 2014-09-30T16:42:45 < hjf> LWNETIFSRC = ${LWIP}/src/netif/etharp.c 2014-09-30T16:44:17 < jpa-> maybe the LWIP variable has wrong value? 2014-09-30T16:45:13 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cCAE7653E.static.as2116.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-09-30T16:48:28 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T17:00:13 < dongs> sup innovators 2014-09-30T17:00:17 < dongs> 500km drive sux 2014-09-30T17:12:33 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@138.62.237.26] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T17:17:53 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-30T17:22:47 < Laurenceb> conversation with boss: we need a flexible actuator, we are using pneumatics and vacuum formed parts for low cost 2014-09-30T17:23:10 < Laurenceb> boss: wtf?! use 3d printed rubber with integrated piezoelectrics 2014-09-30T17:24:13 < gxti> 3d print a dildo with integrated piezoelectrics and slap him with it, then use your iphone to show him the forces measured 2014-09-30T17:26:10 -!- ubuntu [~ubuntu@CPE002191edd529-CM001bd7aa324e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T17:26:34 -!- ubuntu is now known as Guest43181 2014-09-30T17:28:44 < Guest43181> reportingsjr: I'm also starting out in Linux 2014-09-30T17:29:23 < Laurenceb> Guest43181: great stuff, ask dongs for advice, he is a fanboy 2014-09-30T17:30:23 -!- jadew [~jadew@86.121.84.123] has quit [Quit: I believe in you! 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I thought he was a Windows advocate? 2014-09-30T17:30:55 < Laurenceb> shit 2014-09-30T17:31:00 < Laurenceb> trolling fail 2014-09-30T17:31:31 < Guest43181> lol 2014-09-30T17:31:55 < Guest43181> Trolling list add: Laurenceb 2014-09-30T17:37:33 -!- talsit [~talsit@FL1-219-107-199-219.osk.mesh.ad.jp] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T17:38:02 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-30T17:44:51 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T17:49:57 -!- petus [~petus@kolej-bk-20.zcu.cz] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T17:51:31 < kuldeepdhaka> stm32f7 ?? 2014-09-30T17:52:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-09-30T17:54:01 < englishman> what happened to f5 and f6 2014-09-30T17:54:08 < englishman> f5 is getting refreshed i guess 2014-09-30T17:56:51 < gxti> f7 = m7, blame ARM 2014-09-30T18:05:52 -!- Claude is now known as claude 2014-09-30T18:12:06 < __rob2> anyone using stm32 cube ? 2014-09-30T18:12:17 < englishman> sure 2014-09-30T18:12:56 < __rob2> it doesn't seem to generate any startup code 2014-09-30T18:13:15 < __rob2> clock configuration etc, even though they have a clock configurator in the utility 2014-09-30T18:13:40 < __rob2> is there something i'm missing ? 2014-09-30T18:14:23 < __rob2> I'm expecting a file like "system_stm32f4xx.c" that you can generate with their excel spreadsheet clock config tool 2014-09-30T18:14:30 < englishman> did you assign pins to hse? and configure the clocks like you want in the clock screen? 2014-09-30T18:14:41 < __rob2> using hsi 2014-09-30T18:15:06 < __rob2> so no pin assignments should needed 2014-09-30T18:15:19 < englishman> for me everything is in stm32f3xx_hal_rcc.c 2014-09-30T18:16:44 < englishman> at the bottom of generated main.c is where all the stuff is called in SystemClock_Config() 2014-09-30T18:18:42 < englishman> f4 shouldnt be that different 2014-09-30T18:19:59 < __rob2> right, where in your project is SystemCoreClock defined 2014-09-30T18:21:35 < __rob2> I've had to generate the code for one of the toolchain/ide options they have, so putting hte project backtogether 2014-09-30T18:24:35 < __rob2> just seems to be extern declarations of it, which c file do they compile in the project that defines that ? 2014-09-30T18:27:45 < englishman> its in both the new hal and old stdlib 2014-09-30T18:28:04 < englishman> doesnt look like the one in stdlib is used tho 2014-09-30T18:28:07 < englishman> but instead, HAL_RCC_GetHCLKFreq() 2014-09-30T18:28:09 < englishman> and HAL_RCC_GetSysClockFreq() 2014-09-30T18:28:11 < englishman> all in _hal_rcc 2014-09-30T18:28:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-30T18:28:57 < __rob2> no, I'm talking about teh definition for the variable 2014-09-30T18:29:13 < __rob2> extern uint32_t SystemCoreClock says its defined elsewhere 2014-09-30T18:29:25 < __rob2> so somewhere they must have uint32_t SystemCoreClock = xxx or whatever 2014-09-30T18:31:04 < __rob2> maybe i've compiled something I didn't need 2014-09-30T18:31:51 < englishman> system_stm32f3xx.c as usual; 2014-09-30T18:32:29 < englishman> and its updated with HAL_RCC_GetHCLKFreq 2014-09-30T18:34:37 < __rob2> right, ok, looks like they have a system_stm32f4xx.c burried away in Drivers\CMSIS\Device\ST\STM32F4xx\Source\Templates 2014-09-30T18:34:43 < __rob2> with default settings.. 2014-09-30T18:34:55 < __rob2> was expecting them to generate that file with the correct clock config 2014-09-30T18:39:44 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@138.62.237.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T18:41:17 < englishman> nah i think everything is done in the HAL and the HAL init functions now 2014-09-30T18:41:27 < englishman> like check out SystemClock_Config() 2014-09-30T18:41:34 < englishman> anyway g2g 2014-09-30T18:45:07 < __rob2> cool, thanks 2014-09-30T18:55:13 < kuldeepdhaka> spi half duplex spi problem on stm32f0 (72): http://pastebin.ca/2849340 OVR bit is set, causing infinite loop. on oscilloscope i see that their is contineous clock 2014-09-30T18:56:56 < kuldeepdhaka> the same code work for full duplex. 2014-09-30T18:58:53 < kuldeepdhaka> anyone have pointer to half duplex spi on stm32f0? 2014-09-30T18:59:23 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T19:00:09 < kuldeepdhaka> or correction or any workaround 2014-09-30T19:01:17 < karlp> kuldeepdhaka: stop doing this #include 2014-09-30T19:01:30 < karlp> include cm3/nvic instead, as it's not a stm32 peripheral 2014-09-30T19:03:09 < kuldeepdhaka> karlp ?? 2014-09-30T19:06:10 < kuldeepdhaka> karlp, got it. 2014-09-30T19:07:23 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T19:08:19 < kuldeepdhaka> karlp, nice catch, but afaiu this shouldnt be the problem. 2014-09-30T19:09:32 < karlp> no, nothing to do with your spi issue at all. 2014-09-30T19:09:41 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T19:09:48 < karlp> spi on f0/f3 vs other devices does different things with different size register writes. 2014-09-30T19:09:57 < karlp> make sure you're doing "the right thing" is about all I can say 2014-09-30T19:13:33 < kuldeepdhaka> im directly doing things at reg level(for spi and dma). the same code work for full duplex (as expected). switching to half duplex cause problem 2014-09-30T19:14:39 < kuldeepdhaka> i have matched many time each value with datasheet (at personal level) and i cannot detect any problem 2014-09-30T19:16:29 < kuldeepdhaka> any ref code for stm32f0 family for spi can help alot (as i couldnt find any) 2014-09-30T19:17:17 < kuldeepdhaka> posted on st uC forum and electronics exchange but success 2014-09-30T19:18:23 < kuldeepdhaka> *no success 2014-09-30T19:26:39 -!- trepidaciousMBR [~trepidaci@dsl-217-155-137-246.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: trepidaciousMBR] 2014-09-30T19:28:29 < Guest43181> Anyone has issue with texane driver like not being able to flash their devices? 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2014-09-30T21:09:12 < TheSeven> I had some ST guy tell me that it's the same silicon when I asked them why on earth the f205 only has OTG_HS, while the DFU bootloader uses OTG_FS, why they didn't just change that base address in the ROM, etc 2014-09-30T21:09:36 < TheSeven> and if that is true, it might mean that there's an f2 series chip with ethernet in an lqfp64 package, which would be really nice for one of my projects 2014-09-30T21:09:46 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T21:09:49 < TheSeven> and in that project I don't care if there are a few oddball chips where ethernet fails 2014-09-30T21:10:02 < TheSeven> it should just work on let's say at least half of them 2014-09-30T21:10:20 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T21:10:38 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they were binned based on peripheral integrity at the fab, but i guess if you're not expecting it to be reliable.... 2014-09-30T21:10:44 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T21:11:38 < Steffanx> I'm surprised the guys in here that think in money didn't tell you to stop wasting your time yet, TheSeven :P 2014-09-30T21:12:30 < TheSeven> well I can just use f107 if everything else fails 2014-09-30T21:12:38 < TheSeven> but f205 is much cheaper and much better 2014-09-30T21:12:49 < TheSeven> so why not go for it if it just works ;) 2014-09-30T21:14:27 -!- AndreeeCZ [~AndreeeCZ@2a00:1028:919c:5152:6236:ddff:fed0:bf6f] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T21:14:50 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-30T21:17:18 < TheSeven> another thing that confirms this theory is that the f205 nowadays also officially has an OTG_FS 2014-09-30T21:17:30 < TheSeven> which was added to the datasheet retroactively 2014-09-30T21:20:27 < TheSeven> rewolff: can you check if the ethernet clock gates (AHB1ENR/0x40023830 bits 25-28) respond, i.e. stay at 1 if you set them, and if so, with those bits set to ones, dump the area from 0x4002800-0x40029400 and pastebin that? 2014-09-30T21:21:02 < TheSeven> Steffanx: this is also an educational project that is way more cost- than time-constrained 2014-09-30T21:21:52 -!- Viper168_ [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-09-30T21:29:13 -!- Viper168 [~Viper@unaffiliated/viper168] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T21:41:04 -!- CRF_Peter [~Peter@h-79-136-64-6.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T21:45:18 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T21:46:43 -!- talsit_roam [uid30008@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lnnqicwqldybfkln] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2014-09-30T21:52:14 < qyx_> TheSeven: in what alternative reality is f205 much cheaper than f107? 2014-09-30T21:53:21 < TheSeven> www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32F205RCT6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuP%2fQeRSdvksN3W9bhThjqF 2014-09-30T21:53:42 < TheSeven> vs. e.g. http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?Keyword=f107rc or http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/integrated-circuits-ics/embedded-microcontrollers/2556109?k=f107rc 2014-09-30T21:54:03 < qyx_> the cheapest wtf 2014-09-30T21:54:08 < qyx_> -the cheapest 2014-09-30T21:54:56 < TheSeven> I guess they wanna get rid of them somehow 2014-09-30T21:55:06 < qyx_> i can see the cheapest f205 in single quantities to be 8.26$ on dk 2014-09-30T21:55:09 < TheSeven> it's kinda weird that there's only a price for 1 and 10 pcs 2014-09-30T22:01:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@d83-183-118-166.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T22:03:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-30T22:04:13 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T22:04:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.193] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T22:05:52 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T22:06:33 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T22:16:16 -!- PaulFertser [paul@paulfertser.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-09-30T22:19:39 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-30T22:20:24 -!- Cyric [~Cyric@cm-84.211.79.184.getinternet.no] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T22:29:11 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-56-254.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T22:34:36 -!- baird [~cjb@ppp121-44-56-254.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2014-09-30T22:57:17 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip68-2-62-85.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T23:03:34 -!- Laurenceb__ [~Laurence@host86-167-154-87.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T23:12:59 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-09-30T23:24:57 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T23:36:50 -!- R0b0t1 [~dev@unaffiliated/r0b0t1] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T23:40:53 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-30T23:43:58 -!- englishman [~englishma@alcohol.dtfuhf.com] has joined ##stm32 2014-09-30T23:50:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@185.6.25.193] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-09-30T23:56:28 < gnomad> TheSeven: I think they want to get you in touvh with a sales rep if you want to purchase at the next price break level. 2014-09-30T23:56:46 < TheSeven> yeah, which is probably 10k+ units at that price 2014-09-30T23:57:01 < TheSeven> it's just very unlike every other stm32 offer on mouser 2014-09-30T23:57:13 < TheSeven> so there must be something special with that chip 2014-09-30T23:57:24 < TheSeven> like they want to get rid of some excess stock or something --- Log closed Wed Oct 01 00:00:23 2014