--- Log opened Wed Oct 01 00:00:23 2014
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2014-10-01T00:10:52 < kakeman> people of china delivered jlink software version 450 with jlink
2014-10-01T00:11:15 < kakeman> should I even try latest version with it
2014-10-01T00:11:19 < kakeman> 490
2014-10-01T00:13:11 < kakeman> can it kick back?
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2014-10-01T00:24:54 < kakeman> driver says everything ok
2014-10-01T00:26:33 < kakeman> lets.. whoa
2014-10-01T00:26:42 < kakeman> it tries to call home
2014-10-01T00:27:45 < karlp> watch out, it might try thigns like erasing the eeprom on your clone
2014-10-01T00:27:54 < kakeman> !!!
2014-10-01T00:28:43 < kakeman> tru stori?
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2014-10-01T00:29:16 < kakeman> oh it want's to use tcp/ip to find more emulators
2014-10-01T00:33:39 < kakeman> it would like to update my device firmware
2014-10-01T00:33:49 < kakeman> promises new features and such
2014-10-01T00:34:01 < kakeman> keeping old version not recommended
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2014-10-01T01:54:11 < dongs> ohh
2014-10-01T01:54:16 < dongs> zyp: , good news
2014-10-01T01:54:16 < dongs> [SDCOMP-25733]  Support has been added for an ISO C++11 source language mode. Use the following option to enable the compilation of C++11 source code:
2014-10-01T01:54:19 < dongs> --cpp11
2014-10-01T01:54:32 < zyp> armcc?
2014-10-01T01:54:36 < dongs> y
2014-10-01T01:54:39 < zyp> nice
2014-10-01T01:55:06 < dongs> [SDCOMP-22039]  When executing the compiler from a path containing Japanese characters on a Japanese Windows machine configured to use Shift-JIS, the compiler would generate debug information containing a corrupted DW_AT_comp_dir attribute. This has been fixed.
2014-10-01T01:55:11 < dongs> i bet that was aids to find
2014-10-01T01:55:32 < zyp> haha
2014-10-01T01:56:21 < dongs> thats a good one
2014-10-01T01:56:22 < dongs> [SDCOMP-18346]  When compiling with --gnu --gnu_version=40401, the compiler would incorrectly emulate a fault in GCC version 4.1.1 during template argument dependent lookup that is not present in GCC version 4.4.1. This has been fixed.
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2014-10-01T01:56:29 < dongs> emulating bugs in gcc that arent in gcc
2014-10-01T01:56:42 < zyp> haha
2014-10-01T01:56:59 < zyp> hmm, so they support gnu extensions too, sounds good
2014-10-01T01:57:31 < zyp> do they support gnu-style inline assembly with register constraints?
2014-10-01T01:57:44 < dongs> fuck no, they dont support inline asm at all
2014-10-01T01:57:58 < dongs> compiler knows better than yo udo
2014-10-01T01:58:04 < zyp> uh, that would be a dealbreaker :p
2014-10-01T01:58:27 < __rob2> got a rather random problem with freertos. Was hoping someone would be able to suggest a possible cause
2014-10-01T01:59:01 < zyp> I can suggest that you did something wrong
2014-10-01T02:00:05 < __rob2> basically it hardfaults on a call to vTaskDelay. I've stepped through the assembler, and it looks like on return the stack pointer that is reset before it does pop {r7,pc} is one byte out
2014-10-01T02:00:15 < __rob2> so pc is getting the value that was in r7
2014-10-01T02:00:24 < __rob2> and obviously it starts executing garbage
2014-10-01T02:00:45 < dongs> i bet your task stack array is wrong
2014-10-01T02:01:09 < __rob2> well this is spat out of stm32cube
2014-10-01T02:01:19 < dongs> oh you shoulda started with THAT info
2014-10-01T02:01:19 < __rob2> only thing is rebuilding the project to work with emblocks
2014-10-01T02:01:21 < dongs> bbl
2014-10-01T02:01:23 < zyp> I hope you meant four bytes, not one
2014-10-01T02:01:29 < __rob2> sorry, yes
2014-10-01T02:01:32 < __rob2> 4 bytes
2014-10-01T02:01:51 < __rob2> well i've used freertos without issues on other cortex series chips
2014-10-01T02:02:07 < gxti> is stack checking on?
2014-10-01T02:02:08 < __rob2> just not on M4 yet.. and thought i'd give stm32cube a go
2014-10-01T02:02:13 < zyp> hard to tell what's wrong just from the description
2014-10-01T02:03:27 < __rob2> gxti, yes, but its not overflowing the stack
2014-10-01T02:03:41 < __rob2> this is the start of a task, that literally calls vTaskDelay
2014-10-01T02:04:05 < gxti> well, it's not always the task that crashes that caused the problem
2014-10-01T02:06:02 < gxti> have you changed any interrupt priority settings?
2014-10-01T02:06:12 < zyp> if you get the wrong number of elements on the stack, you've somehow managed to confuse the stack management that the compiler does
2014-10-01T02:06:59 < zyp> I would bet on some interwork between context switch assembly and C code going wrong
2014-10-01T02:07:11 < zyp> say, bad compiler flags
2014-10-01T02:07:27 < zyp> especially if you've messed around with that
2014-10-01T02:07:55 < zyp> could also be a compiler bug, but I wouldn't start by suspecting that
2014-10-01T02:08:17 < __rob2> no, I expect its as you say, compiler args or something
2014-10-01T02:08:25 < zyp> just to confirm
2014-10-01T02:09:06 < zyp> set a breakpoint on the call to vTaskDelay and on the instruction right after, then compare the values of sp in each to see whether they match
2014-10-01T02:09:23 < zyp> if they don't, something in vTaskDelay is corrupting the stack pointer
2014-10-01T02:10:04 < zyp> oh wait, it crashes before it returns?
2014-10-01T02:10:54 < __rob2> yea, its popping r7 and pc from the stack
2014-10-01T02:10:58 < __rob2> r7 is going to pc
2014-10-01T02:10:59 < __rob2> bang
2014-10-01T02:11:14 < __rob2> they are pushed at the start
2014-10-01T02:11:27 < zyp> can you pastebin the disassembly?
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2014-10-01T02:12:32 < __rob2> yea
2014-10-01T02:13:06 < __rob2> looks like r7 might be getting corrupted though as it calculats the old stack pointer from that to pop from
2014-10-01T02:13:07 < __rob2> 08014FB8	add.w	r7, r7, #24
2014-10-01T02:13:08 < __rob2> 08014FBC	mov	sp, r7
2014-10-01T02:13:08 < __rob2> 08014FBE	pop	{r7, pc}
2014-10-01T02:14:33 < zyp> ah, that makes sense
2014-10-01T02:15:37 < __rob2> another thing.. only breaks in debug mode
2014-10-01T02:15:40 < zyp> the C code assumes that the compiler won't push anything between the point where sp is read and where it's written
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2014-10-01T02:16:29 < zyp> and when you build with optimizations enabled, that is true because the compiler optimizes away the push/pop
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2014-10-01T02:21:15 < __rob2> and yea its breaking the sp
2014-10-01T02:21:22 < __rob2> the function adds 24 at the start
2014-10-01T02:21:26 < __rob2> and subtracts it away
2014-10-01T02:21:29 < __rob2> before popping
2014-10-01T02:22:43 < __rob2> after the substract, its gone from 0x...420
2014-10-01T02:22:47 < __rob2> to 0x...424
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2014-10-01T02:36:03 < __rob2> it seems marking xPortPendSVHandler as naked has fixed it...
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2014-10-01T02:49:32 < dongs> R2TROLLCOM
2014-10-01T02:51:57 < dongs> depends
2014-10-01T02:52:03 < dongs> if you have library local to project
2014-10-01T02:52:07 < dongs> BUT
2014-10-01T02:52:15 < dongs> even if you dont, they can go to tools->make sch/pcb library
2014-10-01T02:52:24 < dongs> and generate one from the data in schematic/pcb
2014-10-01T02:52:37 < dongs> so.. just depends what you wanna do, if just view then its OK
2014-10-01T02:53:24 < dongs> ya its fine
2014-10-01T02:59:24 < dongs> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eFzGTCuhcH4/VCczkkGFEKI/AAAAAAAACYo/cBmw2mTe2tk/s1600/Screenshot%2B2014-09-27%2B17.59.15.png
2014-10-01T02:59:28 < dongs> nice
2014-10-01T03:00:30 < Thorn> have you seen this https://github.com/hackndev/zinc/blob/c0d92a2/apps/app_blink.rs#L9-L46
2014-10-01T03:01:04 < dongs> .ts?
2014-10-01T03:01:05 < Thorn> this is serious shit, a domain-specific language for configuring hardware
2014-10-01T03:01:08 < dongs> er .rs? what is that garbage
2014-10-01T03:01:13 < Thorn> mozilla rust
2014-10-01T03:01:17 < dongs> source_frequency = 12_000_000;
2014-10-01T03:01:19 < dongs> w h a t
2014-10-01T03:01:24 < dongs> more like
2014-10-01T03:01:26 < dongs> w_h_a_t
2014-10-01T03:01:43 < Thorn> what, underscores? ada and vhdl have this too
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2014-10-01T03:05:21 < dongs> pin: map::port0::pin8::GPIO,
2014-10-01T03:05:26 < dongs> sounds like kinda shit zyp would love
2014-10-01T03:05:36 < zyp> uh
2014-10-01T03:07:42 < Thorn> apparently if you do something wrong in the configuration it won't even compile
2014-10-01T03:09:15 < zyp> that's a good thing
2014-10-01T03:09:32 < zyp> compile time errors are better than run time errors
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2014-10-01T03:13:01 < Thorn> I'd like to see a rtos written in rust
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2014-10-01T03:47:49 < dongs> http://www.matchstick.tv/developers/MATCHSTICK-RK3066-V30-FINAL.pdf
2014-10-01T03:47:59 < dongs> apparently there's richtek RT8009 clone called SY8009
2014-10-01T03:49:20 < dongs> http://www.silergy.com/
2014-10-01T03:49:21 < dongs> hmm
2014-10-01T03:49:25 < dongs> lots of oddball cloned stuff
2014-10-01T03:49:48 < Thorn> silergy? silicon allergy?
2014-10-01T03:50:04 < dongs> Please login MySilergy, and contact us to let you become a vip user!
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2014-10-01T03:50:45 < dongs> http://fa.itservice-bg.net/baza/dc_dc/data/SY8009.pdf why the fuck is a shitty clone dcdc 'confidential' datasheet
2014-10-01T03:50:48 < dongs> lulz
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2014-10-01T03:54:47 < dongs> http://chronicle.su/2014/09/richard-stallman-arrested-for-criminal-negligence/
2014-10-01T04:06:35 < _unreal_> any one doing any CNC stuff with stm32?
2014-10-01T04:09:41 < englishman> R2COM: should i learn pulsonix or mentor
2014-10-01T04:09:57 < dongs> learn eagle
2014-10-01T04:09:59 < englishman> or both
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2014-10-01T04:14:02 < Lux> never heard of pulsonix, is that also some pro level stuff ?
2014-10-01T04:14:06 < dongs> no
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2014-10-01T04:14:32 < dongs> pusonix is osme shit newbplaces bundle with stuff
2014-10-01T04:14:39 < dongs> i think E14 or someshit pushes it
2014-10-01T04:14:42 < dongs> or RS maybe
2014-10-01T04:14:47 < dongs> one of thoe big electronic crap resellers
2014-10-01T04:14:53 < Lux> ah, so prob no good
2014-10-01T04:14:58 < englishman> oh hm
2014-10-01T04:15:03 < englishman> i talked to some guys today
2014-10-01T04:15:10 < englishman> they said they use mentor and ____
2014-10-01T04:15:18 < englishman> i thougt the 2nd was pulsonix
2014-10-01T04:15:24 < Lux> iirc mentor is used by major companies
2014-10-01T04:16:16 < englishman> yeah it was for high speed video shit
2014-10-01T04:16:19 < englishman> with like 6 huge fpgas onboard
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2014-10-01T04:17:44 < Lux> kathrein is one example from what i read on their website
2014-10-01T04:17:47 < englishman> and well digikey pushes mentor
2014-10-01T04:18:00 < dongs> there's also zuken cadstar
2014-10-01T04:18:01 < dongs> that noone uses
2014-10-01T04:18:05 < dongs> you could learn that too
2014-10-01T04:18:09 < dongs> its some jappu kawaii shit
2014-10-01T04:19:46 < englishman> "Chris Anderson, then Wired editor-in-chief, gave it a generally positive review"
2014-10-01T04:20:06 < Thorn> what about cadence
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2014-10-01T04:58:41 < jadew> dongs, have you ever encountered smart cards that actually try to drive the IO line high?
2014-10-01T04:59:25 < jadew> I'm getting some strange behaviour that looks like that's what's going on
2014-10-01T05:00:04 < jadew> weirdly enough, only the orange sim does that, the vodafone one plays nice and introduces a lot less noise into the system
2014-10-01T05:00:15 < jadew> maybe I'm powering it at the wrong voltage...
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2014-10-01T05:02:08 < ossifrage> grrr, gcc inline assembly for thumb is bloody annoying
2014-10-01T05:02:26 < zyp> how so?
2014-10-01T05:02:29 < ossifrage> Error: instruction not supported in Thumb16 mode -- `subs r3,r3,#1'
2014-10-01T05:02:57 < ossifrage> So I put in the ".syntax unified" into the inline asm and the compiler shits itself
2014-10-01T05:02:58 < zyp> which cpu? M0?
2014-10-01T05:03:16 < ossifrage> yup M0
2014-10-01T05:03:47 < zyp> uh, so you're trying to use an instruction that doesn't exist on M0, and blame the assembler?
2014-10-01T05:05:45 < zyp> hmm, that looks valid actually
2014-10-01T05:05:47 < ossifrage> err, how is that, it is listed in the cortex-m0 technical ref
2014-10-01T05:06:30 < zyp> yes, but it has both thumb16 and thumb32 forms, and thumb32 is not supported on M0
2014-10-01T05:06:55 < zyp> but anyway, that should be a valid thumb16 instruction, not sure why the assembler flips out
2014-10-01T05:11:29 < ossifrage> google said to put ".syntax unified", but that causes things to explode when used in inline assembly
2014-10-01T05:13:12 < Thorn> btw, does cortex-m7 add any new instructions?
2014-10-01T05:13:37 < zyp> ossifrage, seems to work for me, just follow up with .syntax divided afterwards to set it back
2014-10-01T05:15:18 < ossifrage> okay the .syntax divided fixed the problem
2014-10-01T05:16:04 < dongs> jadew: 'drive high', its half duplex, when the card wants to reply, yes it will drive the pin
2014-10-01T05:16:15 < dongs> otherwise its just high pullup or somethin I guess?
2014-10-01T05:16:34 < jadew> dongs, it's opendrain with constant pullup I believe
2014-10-01T05:16:43 < jadew> I figured out what it was, it appears that the orange card requires a shitload of current from time to time
2014-10-01T05:17:02 < jadew> which was generating fluctuations on the power line
2014-10-01T05:17:16 < jadew> a beefy cap next to it seems to solve the problem
2014-10-01T05:17:26 < zyp> ossifrage, why subs and not just sub? the latter seems to work fine without changing syntax type
2014-10-01T05:17:57 < zyp> and seems to generate the exact same binary
2014-10-01T05:21:40 < zyp> not sure why you're insisting on doing a subtraction in inline assembly either, seems pointless :p
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2014-10-01T05:26:01 < ossifrage> I'm doing inline assembly because the compiler was doing weird things to this code
2014-10-01T05:26:35 < ossifrage> (actually I'm trying to fix badly written vendor code, they didn't try overly hard to add gcc support)
2014-10-01T05:29:32 < ossifrage> I was using SUBS to save the extra CMP
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2014-10-01T05:35:49 < ossifrage> Ah, that is better the code is now taking the expected 60ms and does not jump around due to compiler weirdness
2014-10-01T05:41:14 < englishman> hmm pulsonix is kinda cool
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2014-10-01T05:44:03 < englishman> it has hugs mode which is super legit
2014-10-01T05:45:28 < englishman> hmm yes very nice features
2014-10-01T05:47:17 < dongs> ur hugs
2014-10-01T05:48:51 < englishman> free "trial"
2014-10-01T05:48:57 < englishman> 1000pin, any # of layers
2014-10-01T05:49:04 < englishman> very diff from altiumz
2014-10-01T05:49:15 < jadew> how long does it last?
2014-10-01T05:49:33 < englishman> it says permanent
2014-10-01T05:49:44 < jadew> hmm
2014-10-01T05:49:58 < jadew> the screenshots look nice
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2014-10-01T05:51:16 < jadew> trying to find a video of the routing process
2014-10-01T05:52:13 < Guest49307> How do I flash my discovery with openocd?
2014-10-01T05:52:36 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJUDOKa8BA4
2014-10-01T05:52:38 < jadew> YouTube: Pulsonix PCB Design Software
2014-10-01T05:56:06 < jadew> seems you need to ask for a quote
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2014-10-01T05:58:41 < dongs> garbage
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2014-10-01T05:58:46 < dongs> trying too hard
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2014-10-01T06:00:23 < jadew> I'm tired enough that my imagination can create really vivid images
2014-10-01T06:00:35 < jadew> she looks a lot better without the panties
2014-10-01T06:04:51 < dongs> anyones youtube on assdroid broke
2014-10-01T06:04:54 < dongs> with ~recent update
2014-10-01T06:05:22 < dongs> mine isnt
2014-10-01T06:05:24 < dongs> my pals is
2014-10-01T06:05:26 < dongs> and hes not exactly dum
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2014-10-01T06:49:38 < Guest99618> How do I flash with openocd?
2014-10-01T06:50:14 < Guest99618> What are you using?
2014-10-01T06:50:44 < Guest99618> Ah
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2014-10-01T07:11:08 < ossifrage> I never had much luck with the BMP, there was a bug with its handling of the ST part I was using at the time and I just gave up and stuck with the stlink+openocd
2014-10-01T07:14:04 < englishman> 8$ or so on ebay
2014-10-01T07:15:30 < englishman> im talking about clonez
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2014-10-01T11:03:53 < mitsakos> hello i have a problem interfacing SSD1289 230x320 pxl with STM32F4 Discovery using FSMC. I have successfully filled the screen with color display characters etc but i can't display the white color. when i try to prin something white it is like no color is send and i get noise. I tried to change FSMC_AddressSetupTime, FSMC_AddressHoldTime, FSMC_DataSetupTime as well as GPIO_Speed from 100MHz to 50Mhz and 2Mhz with no results
2014-10-01T11:06:29 < jpa-> you get noise on screen or the old color stays?
2014-10-01T11:07:03 < jpa-> also don't GPIO_Speed to 2 MHz, it will only make things worse
2014-10-01T11:07:25 < jpa-> because it does not set the actual speed at which things happens, it just limits the slew rate of the pin
2014-10-01T11:13:44 < mitsakos> 1) The old color stays. 2) It's true it only gets worse.
2014-10-01T11:14:32 < mitsakos> i got noise because i reset the device ;) Now i tried to clear screen GREEN then WHITE and then RED and i see no change from GREEN to RED
2014-10-01T11:14:43 < mitsakos> there is no middle step
2014-10-01T11:15:01 < mitsakos> so it just keeps the old color
2014-10-01T11:15:31 < jpa-> scope the lines
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2014-10-01T11:17:52 < mitsakos> how? 16 lines ? :P
2014-10-01T11:18:10 < mitsakos> i think it is not usefull to scope only 8 lines
2014-10-01T11:19:50 < jpa-> one at a time
2014-10-01T11:19:59 < jpa-> make it write white data in a loop
2014-10-01T11:20:30 < jpa-> and because it is "doing nothing", the lines you are most interested in are the register select and the write enable
2014-10-01T11:21:09 < mitsakos> and what about the data lines?
2014-10-01T11:21:23 < mitsakos> you think that the problem would be in RS and WE ?
2014-10-01T11:22:01 < jpa-> well shouldn't the display write *some* color anyway even if the data lines are totally wrong?
2014-10-01T11:22:24 < jpa-> unless the address write fails, but i assume you use the same code for that as you do with other colors
2014-10-01T11:23:08 < jpa-> (RS, WE, OE, CE, .. whatever control lines affect the writing)
2014-10-01T11:24:13 < mitsakos> yes it's true you are write
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2014-10-01T11:24:25 < mitsakos> yes i'm using the same function so the same write commands
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2014-10-01T12:33:37 < karlp> Thorn: thanks for that zinc link, looks neat
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2014-10-01T12:39:01 < Thorn> hopefully it won't just get abandoned
2014-10-01T12:39:23 < mitsakos> jpa- i can't see any difference on RD WR CS RS from Green to White
2014-10-01T12:42:00 < mitsakos> I can see activity on WR CS and RS with RD always high. RS pulses on both white and Green every 15.55ms
2014-10-01T12:42:29 < jpa-> and the waveforms seem ok?
2014-10-01T12:42:46 < mitsakos> well i have probed it on a logic analyzer
2014-10-01T12:42:47 < jpa-> i.e. reasonable edge sharpness, no huge ringing?
2014-10-01T12:43:13 < jpa-> look on scope, if it is a signal integrity issue a logic analyzer may have different interpretation than the chip
2014-10-01T12:43:15 < mitsakos> so i can't see the actual waveform
2014-10-01T12:43:49 < mitsakos> and look for what? signal noise? bad square waveform?
2014-10-01T12:43:56 < jpa-> yes, things like that
2014-10-01T12:44:30 < mitsakos> what could be the reason for such a problem?
2014-10-01T12:45:02 < jpa-> bad pcb design, too high clock rate, bad pin config
2014-10-01T12:46:31 < mitsakos> Note. the LCD's glass has been cracked on the low left corner with no affect on the LCD's crystal. Could this be a problem? (i don't think so)
2014-10-01T12:46:56 < jpa-> probably not, atleast not in this way
2014-10-01T12:47:14 < mitsakos> yes that's what i also believe
2014-10-01T12:47:18 < mitsakos> ok let me check the pulses
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2014-10-01T13:21:41 < mitsakos> jpa- well there is some noise but i can't recognize any difference from GREEN to WHITE color. Actually the signal on RS pin which i saved and i compared is exactly the same.
2014-10-01T13:21:56 < mitsakos> would you like to share with you the screenshots of the waveforms?
2014-10-01T13:25:32 < mitsakos> CS: http://oi58.tinypic.com/9rna1f.jpg RS: http://oi59.tinypic.com/1z5umtw.jpg WR: http://oi60.tinypic.com/1gox3l.jpg
2014-10-01T13:28:09 < jpa-> somewhat bad ringing, but probably not enough to cause a problem
2014-10-01T13:29:30 < jpa-> how slow was the slow FSMC config you tried?
2014-10-01T13:34:39 < mitsakos> which config value do you mean ?
2014-10-01T13:45:23 < baird> reblogging: https://twitter.com/humanclock/status/517206953475313664
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2014-10-01T14:54:16 < mitsakos> jpa- could it be something wrong withe FSMC Memory bank?
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2014-10-01T16:22:20 < englishman> Pulsonix pricing for those who were wondering http://bcas.tv/paste/results/sbFMue98.html
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2014-10-01T16:30:42 < Laurenceb> http://beta.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5775397&cid=48035231
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2014-10-01T16:48:46 < varesa> any altium care to answer a simple questions? (dongs?)
2014-10-01T16:49:46 < Lux> englishman: seems pretty similar to what altium charges (the full package)
2014-10-01T16:49:48 < varesa> Is it possible to get an .intlib to contain footprints without schematic symbols? e.g. I want to create a custom footprint for a power resistor. Or should I just clone the symbol?
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2014-10-01T16:50:02 < englishman> Lux: ya
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2014-10-01T16:50:13 < englishman> im going to dick around with it some more
2014-10-01T16:50:16 < englishman> seems nice
2014-10-01T16:50:54 < Lux> i started with protel 99se back in school
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2014-10-01T16:53:12 < englishman> heh
2014-10-01T16:53:14 < englishman> we had some ascii-based cad tool
2014-10-01T16:53:16 < englishman> with ink plotters to draw on copper
2014-10-01T16:53:53 < Lux> sounds like fun
2014-10-01T16:54:08 < englishman> have no idea of the name now
2014-10-01T16:54:15 < Lux> varesa: you could just use a schematic lib
2014-10-01T16:56:00 < varesa> Lux: you mean a pcblib?
2014-10-01T16:56:14 < Lux> no
2014-10-01T16:56:38 < varesa> what do you mean?
2014-10-01T16:56:39 < Lux> ah yeah
2014-10-01T16:57:17 < Lux> the pcblibrary
2014-10-01T16:57:58 < Lux> i mostly use those and just put the parts together in the schematic
2014-10-01T16:59:04 < Lux> i confused myself now :) of course you can just make footprints in the pcblib and then just add them to the parts in your schematic
2014-10-01T16:59:21 < Lux> or make a custom schematic and add the footprint there
2014-10-01T16:59:24 < varesa> ah I just realized you can install pcblibraries, not just intlibs
2014-10-01T16:59:34 < Lux> yep
2014-10-01T16:59:57 < varesa> since the default filter is "Integrated libraries (*.INTLIB)"
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2014-10-01T17:02:47 < Claude> varesa, a intlib is basically a compiled library containing schematic symbols with footprints
2014-10-01T17:04:20 < Claude> keep in mind that in altium every pcb part has a schematic counterpart , identified trough the "uniqe id" of the part. so placing something on a pcb without the schematic symbol counterpart makes a lot of "compile" errors
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2014-10-01T17:10:02 < varesa> Claude: I understand the schlib/pcblib/intlib is much clearer to me now
2014-10-01T17:10:43 < varesa> What I want to do is add a part to a schematic, like a standard resistor, and change the footprint to something e.g. a big power resistor
2014-10-01T17:12:08 < Claude> ah okay , then place a resistor in the schematic . click the part and select an other footprint (lower right box). change the library search path thingy to "any" and then click the box witht he 3 dots (...)
2014-10-01T17:12:46 < Claude> do you have altium 10 or greater? connected to the altium vault?
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2014-10-01T17:16:28 < varesa> Claude: 14
2014-10-01T17:17:19 < varesa> What I previously could not figure out (Lux helped me realize how) was how to get the footprints to appear in the "footprint browser" you talk of
2014-10-01T17:17:45 < varesa> I had to install the pcblib instead of a intlib compiled from it
2014-10-01T17:20:02 < Claude> why not using the vault?
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2014-10-01T17:21:38 < Claude> but yeah you have to install the pcblibs too :)
2014-10-01T17:23:18 < Claude> btw if , for any reasons..., can't access the altium vault . on the altium website are all the libs up to altium 10 avaiable as zip file
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2014-10-01T17:47:06 < karlp> Thorn (or anyone): have you used rust much? (other than looking at the zinc project?)
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2014-10-01T17:48:00 < Thorn> not much yet, but it looks like a language I always wanted to have
2014-10-01T17:48:59 < Thorn> there's #rust and #rust-osdev on irc.mozilla.org btw
2014-10-01T17:49:03 < varesa> claude: I have that zip. I'm often offline so can't access the vault
2014-10-01T17:49:57 < karlp> Thorn: I'd like something "new" was sort of looking at D as well, but that seems a bit single vendor world
2014-10-01T17:51:06 < Thorn> I guess at this point you can say that Go and D never gained much momentum. it's too early to say that about rust and that's an advantage lol
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2014-10-01T18:26:17 < dongs> haha
2014-10-01T18:26:21 < dongs> workpal is absolutely raging out
2014-10-01T18:26:26 < dongs> that git has no user control
2014-10-01T18:26:47 < dongs> hes changing name/email in sourcetree
2014-10-01T18:26:54 < dongs> and keeps committing shit with random names
2014-10-01T18:27:05 < dongs> "THIS IS ADVANCED SOURCE CONTROL????????????????"
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2014-10-01T18:27:46 < gxti> lol.
2014-10-01T18:29:21 < Sync> well dongs if you want to troll in git it is going to happen
2014-10-01T18:29:56 < gxti> typically you deny push access on a user basis but don't look at the committer name. you could do it in theory but it would prevent that user from merging or rebasing which is pointless.
2014-10-01T18:30:45 < gxti> or you could allow pushing other people's stuff as long as there's a merge commit with your name on it. but really if you don't employ psychopaths like your workpal it's not a problem.
2014-10-01T18:32:07 < dongs> lol
2014-10-01T18:32:44 < BrainDamage> also, you're not supposed to let multiple people push on the same repo ideally
2014-10-01T18:33:06 < BrainDamage> rather each on it's own then merge the changes with a hierarchical tree
2014-10-01T18:33:21 < gxti> that is one possible model, that usually doesn't apply
2014-10-01T18:33:53 < BrainDamage> I know, still, one single repo where everyone pushes, even a single forced push and fun will be had
2014-10-01T18:34:03 < BrainDamage> you're making it as strong as the dumbest developer
2014-10-01T18:34:32 < gxti> pretty much every repo manager (gitlab, gerrit, etc.) can deny force pushes to everyone except the one smart guy on the team
2014-10-01T18:35:11 < gxti> *that* is easy to enforce, unlike commit message access control :p
2014-10-01T18:46:02 < karlp> yeah, I love seeing "..." commit comments to avoid them :)
2014-10-01T18:47:21 < hjf> I have the F4 discovery board. I want to connect an ethernet PHY to it, the one i have is DM9161 which requires a 50MHz clock source for RMII mode...  is it possible to generate this clock from the STM32F407?
2014-10-01T18:47:38 < hjf> I see a 8MHz xtal
2014-10-01T18:48:06 < gxti> can it not generate its own clock from a 25mhz crystal?
2014-10-01T18:48:16 < hjf> only for MII mode
2014-10-01T18:48:28 < hjf> for RMII it needs a 50mhz external clock (not bare crystal)
2014-10-01T18:48:52 < Thorn> same clock should be routed to the stm32 iirc
2014-10-01T18:49:11 < gxti> i don't know if F4 is different but for F1 you would need your system clock to be 50mhz and output it on MCO. the simplest way though would be to just get a 50mhz oscillator module and plop it down.
2014-10-01T18:49:11 < Thorn> you can try and find a phy with an internal clock source
2014-10-01T18:49:46 < hjf> yeah. well I'm in Argentina and things are a little complicated right now :P
2014-10-01T18:50:04 < qyx_> doesn't f4 have a dedicated pll for that?
2014-10-01T18:50:22 < hjf> so for now i have to make do with what i have. I haev an old PLL chip i got from a Pentium motherboard that generates 50MHz, 33MHz, 48MHz...
2014-10-01T18:50:34 < gxti> you can probably run sysclk at 50mhz (or 100mhz, i think you can output mco/2) from 8mhz crystal, too lazy to do the math myself
2014-10-01T18:50:48 < hjf> for bench testing it's ok (though it draws a nice 40mA for that!)
2014-10-01T18:51:01 < gxti> but in any case, MCO is what you want
2014-10-01T18:51:16 < gxti> again i'm really only familiar with F1, it may be that F4 has an easier way to do MII/RMII specifically
2014-10-01T18:51:32 < hjf> k. will read about that. i'm not familiar with STM32 at all
2014-10-01T18:51:33 < dongs> uh just use a timer
2014-10-01T18:51:41 < hjf> i come from PIC land where things are simpler
2014-10-01T18:52:01 < hjf> PIC18F97J60 = just add your external magjack. MAC and PHY onboard
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2014-10-01T18:54:22 < Thorn> hjf: looks like it's 10 Mbit only. stm32 can do 100Mbit
2014-10-01T18:56:20 < qyx_> huh
2014-10-01T18:56:28 < qyx_> dongs: nice idea
2014-10-01T18:56:36 < qyx_> hjf: use timer / pwm
2014-10-01T18:57:00 < gxti> 50mhz pwm from what?
2014-10-01T18:57:24 < qyx_> 100MHz timer, pwm reload at 2
2014-10-01T18:57:33 < qyx_> -> 50/50 square wave
2014-10-01T18:57:39 < gxti> mco/2 would be easier, i think it supports that. can't remember.
2014-10-01T18:57:52 < gxti> but sure.
2014-10-01T18:58:03 < gxti> either way you have to get sysclk to 100mhz instead of default.
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2014-10-01T18:58:46 < qyx_> maybe it would work at 150
2014-10-01T18:59:21 < gxti> because stm32 isn't confusing enough when you don't have to worry about overlocking the hardware :p
2014-10-01T19:00:14 < qyx_> wat, nevermind
2014-10-01T19:00:42 < gxti> or is the max 168. i'm just pulling stuff out of my ass now, i've never used f4 other than testing some stuff that was meant for f1.
2014-10-01T19:00:55 < GargantuaSauce> f407 does 168
2014-10-01T19:02:11 < GargantuaSauce> hell my f103s seem to do fine at 144, havent tried every peripheral at that clock though
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2014-10-01T19:28:41 < dongs> like half a meter is fine
2014-10-01T19:28:47 < dongs> i mean its not like stlink drives it > 1mhz nayway
2014-10-01T19:28:53 < dongs> jlink is like 10mhz max
2014-10-01T19:31:01 < GargantuaSauce> k cool
2014-10-01T19:31:33 < GargantuaSauce> guess i should stick a toroid on there also at that length
2014-10-01T19:31:52 < GargantuaSauce> considering that it'll be sitting next to powered rf transceiver
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2014-10-01T19:38:40 < hjf> Thorn: well yeah 10mbit only but also the cpu is 8-bit 41MHz so it can't do much with 100mbit ethernet anyway :P
2014-10-01T19:39:41 < hjf> one of the projects i want to make with it is some IP-enabled power strip. just a bunch of relays, that MCU, and a magjack
2014-10-01T19:40:21 < hjf> but for other stuff i wouldn't work with that 8-bit cpu. it becomes really slow for most things (for example, try to download a jpg or something)
2014-10-01T19:40:23 < karlp> you know APC makes and sells those by the thousand right?
2014-10-01T19:40:48 < hjf> karlp: i think these cost $400 each in my country
2014-10-01T19:41:43 < hjf> in fact, one of the APC UPSs used one of the J60 PICs heh
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2014-10-01T20:03:57 < Rickta59> those nrf24L0+ modules with a pcb antenna .. do they have a prefered orientation to get the greatest propagation?
2014-10-01T20:04:21 < Rickta59> or are they just produce a big ball pattern
2014-10-01T20:04:27 < Rickta59> or do they
2014-10-01T20:05:44 < GargantuaSauce> which one?
2014-10-01T20:05:53 < Rickta59> the cheap ones you find on ebay
2014-10-01T20:05:55 < GargantuaSauce> there are different ones with different antennas
2014-10-01T20:06:16 < Rickta59> hmm .. all the ones i've seen that are pcb seem to be the same .. let me find one
2014-10-01T20:06:23 < GargantuaSauce> they are definitely not isotropic in any case
2014-10-01T20:07:00 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/170819069271 like that
2014-10-01T20:07:58 < Rickta59> jeez everytime i look they get cheaper and cheaper
2014-10-01T20:10:15 < GargantuaSauce> i havent found an AN or anything characterizing that particular design
2014-10-01T20:10:17 < GargantuaSauce> been looking for awhile too
2014-10-01T20:10:30 < Rickta59> AN?
2014-10-01T20:10:41 < GargantuaSauce> app note
2014-10-01T20:11:31 < GargantuaSauce> if you're looking for more range than LoS across a room you should probably consider one of the powered designs with an sma connector
2014-10-01T20:11:41 < GargantuaSauce> usually listed as nrf24L01+PA+LNA
2014-10-01T20:11:59 < Rickta59> no, i just want to know which way i should be orienting it
2014-10-01T20:14:18 < Rickta59> i don't know which way is x or y or z .. i'm guessing x is the short width
2014-10-01T20:14:22 < Rickta59> y the long width
2014-10-01T20:14:35 < Rickta59> and z 90 degrees to the board?
2014-10-01T20:14:50 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/swra117d/swra117d.pdf this one is similar-ish
2014-10-01T20:15:35 < Rickta59> so my thinking of x and y is probably off by 90 degrees
2014-10-01T20:17:09 < GargantuaSauce> looks like the strongest emission is roughly along Y which is in line with the wiggles
2014-10-01T20:17:36 < Rickta59> thanks
2014-10-01T20:18:26 < GargantuaSauce> also you want it to not be on top of the ground plane of your board
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2014-10-01T20:21:24 < Rickta59> from some aribitrary web site "Finally orientation of the module can effect range. Although we don't have radiation patterns for these modules, as a general rule, making sure that both antenna's are in the same orientation can have as much as a 15dB increase in received signal strength."
2014-10-01T20:22:06 < Rickta59> so z seems perpendicular .. so just try one way and then rotate 90 degrees to see if it is better or worse
2014-10-01T20:22:14 < Rickta59> rotate them both
2014-10-01T20:23:27 < GargantuaSauce> what sort of range are you going for?
2014-10-01T20:23:36 < Rickta59> inside my house .. so small
2014-10-01T20:23:52 < Rickta59> probably won't matter .. i was just curious
2014-10-01T20:24:13 < GargantuaSauce> i wouldn't worry about it. just tried a couple of worst-case orientations across my apartment through a couple of walls with no issues
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2014-10-01T20:25:48 < GargantuaSauce> oh one random gotcha i came across...make sure you run them at the highest bitrate setting
2014-10-01T20:26:05 < Rickta59> k
2014-10-01T20:26:10 < GargantuaSauce> because collisions with wifi are way more common at the lower ones
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2014-10-01T21:27:07 < Tectu> what the fuck?
2014-10-01T21:27:16 < Tectu> uint16_t a = (long)a * ....
2014-10-01T21:27:41 < Tectu> am I like missing the point or something?
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2014-10-01T21:30:22 < synico> I'm using DMA and Timer 3 to generate a pwm signal.  The first pulse always comes out a little mishappen (either too long or too short). Is there something common I'm missing here?  Do I need to reset the timer somehow?
2014-10-01T21:32:16 < zyp> sounds like you're running it with preload enabled, maybe
2014-10-01T21:32:55 < synico> is preload enabled by default?
2014-10-01T21:33:09 < synico> I'm not explicitly enabling it
2014-10-01T21:33:14 < zyp> also, you might want to initialize the duty to 0% or 100%, whatever matches your idle state
2014-10-01T21:33:27 < zyp> what is this for?
2014-10-01T21:33:34 < synico> ws2812
2014-10-01T21:33:43 < zyp> suspected that
2014-10-01T21:34:28 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/kCB8f <- here's how I do it, in case you want a look
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2014-10-01T21:35:54 < synico> I think you may be right about the duty cycle.  I think the second time around either the counter isn't 0 or the compare register is something it shouldn't be
2014-10-01T21:40:15 < synico> zyp: yeah, I'm essentially doing what you're doing there, except the other way around.  The timer is generating the interrupt when it goes low and tells dma to load it's next value
2014-10-01T21:40:34 < zyp> what do you mean «other way around»?
2014-10-01T21:41:15 < synico> looks like you have dma generating an interrupt instead of the timer?
2014-10-01T21:41:36 < zyp> wait, why do you have the timer generate an interrupt?
2014-10-01T21:42:20 < zyp> the dma interrupt is to signal that it's done and to schedule another transfer for the next led in the chain
2014-10-01T21:42:34 < zyp> the timer only generates a dma request
2014-10-01T21:43:30 < synico> TIM_DMACmd(TIM3, TIM_DMA_CC3, ENABLE); - I'm only using this, there is no DMA interrupt
2014-10-01T21:43:50 < zyp> oh, well, that doesn't matter
2014-10-01T21:44:34 < zyp> the dma interrupt doesn't trigger until after dma has completed 25 transfers
2014-10-01T21:45:00 < synico> oh
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2014-10-01T22:19:55 < GargantuaSauce> who woulda thought
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2014-10-02T03:58:02 < dongs> haha... https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ritot-the-first-projection-watch
2014-10-02T03:58:09 < dongs> This campaign raised $1,436,075 by its September 26, 2014 deadline, and is continuing to accept contributions.
2014-10-02T03:58:12 < dongs> Forever Funding pilot program
2014-10-02T03:58:15 < dongs> l o l
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2014-10-02T05:08:27 < englishman> there are so many stock photos on that page
2014-10-02T05:09:18 < englishman> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/570364/files/20140510085435-Photo16.jpg?1399737275
2014-10-02T05:09:20 < englishman> sell sell sell!!!
2014-10-02T05:11:24 < dongs> why so ugly
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2014-10-02T05:58:30 < gnomad> curiously, no *actual* photos or video of the display...
2014-10-02T06:02:15 < englishman> not curious at all
2014-10-02T06:02:17 < englishman> some dude has $1.5 mil in the bank and zero obligation to do anything
2014-10-02T06:07:17 < gnomad> yeah, that's going to be one to watch
2014-10-02T06:07:29 < gnomad> (pun not intended)
2014-10-02T06:07:53 < hjf> is the "debug" firmware the same as "production" firmware in stm32land?
2014-10-02T06:08:40 < hjf> i mean if i load firmware with the "debug" option in Eclipse that's it? if the debugger isn't enabled, code runs normally?
2014-10-02T06:17:56 < aadamson> hjf, code will run, but it's probably not very optimized
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2014-10-02T06:18:16 < aadamson> -Og doesn't do as good at -Os, etc
2014-10-02T06:18:24 < aadamson> but yet it should run
2014-10-02T06:18:43 < aadamson> current might be higher than you want if swd is enabled, etc or other pins are configured for debug
2014-10-02T06:19:09 < hjf> i see
2014-10-02T06:19:19 < hjf> in PIC land you have a different firmware for debugging
2014-10-02T06:19:27 < aadamson> you do here too
2014-10-02T06:19:33 < aadamson> or should I say you can
2014-10-02T06:19:40 < hjf> i mean if you load debug firmware, it won't boot without the debugger
2014-10-02T06:19:40 < aadamson> go look at the 2 profiles in eclipse
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2014-10-02T06:19:45 < aadamson> they will be slightly different
2014-10-02T06:19:51 < aadamson> oh, how brain dead
2014-10-02T06:20:05 < hjf> eh, it's an old architecture i guess
2014-10-02T06:20:06 < hjf> 8 bit
2014-10-02T06:20:30 < aadamson> doubt that has much to do with the arch more to do with the build environment
2014-10-02T06:20:43 < aadamson> but I've *never* used a PIC (and proud of it) :)
2014-10-02T06:20:54 < hjf> it has its advantages
2014-10-02T06:21:04 < hjf> for example, a working IP stack with most services
2014-10-02T06:21:07 < aadamson> over other 8bits maybe
2014-10-02T06:21:38 < hjf> a vendor-provided IDE which just works...
2014-10-02T06:22:00 < aadamson> ya really don't have to justify it... if it works great, I have no interest
2014-10-02T06:22:17 < hjf> i guess it's cool that you can be all GNU and use gcc for your programs but i mean i spent the whole sunday trying to set up eclipse for this
2014-10-02T06:22:33 < aadamson> OMG you are kidding me
2014-10-02T06:22:43 < aadamson> 3 steps are all you need to do...
2014-10-02T06:23:09 < aadamson> A) got here and following the bouncing ball for the other step *after you load eclipse - CDT - not java crap*
2014-10-02T06:23:14 < hjf> not if you're on windows and you need a way to connect GDB to ST-LINK
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2014-10-02T06:23:22 < aadamson> http://gnuarmeclipse.livius.net/blog/
2014-10-02T06:23:37 < aadamson> it's just eclipse CDT, that plug in and this toolchain
2014-10-02T06:23:49 < aadamson> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2014-10-02T06:23:52 < aadamson> that's all you needed to do
2014-10-02T06:23:54 < hjf> some instructions said to download i dont know what IDE and grab their st-link.exe thing,
2014-10-02T06:24:17 < hjf> so i download that, and turns out the newer versions of the tool only work with the vendor's IDE
2014-10-02T06:24:19 < aadamson> I gave up on st-link long ago and went with the segger jlink
2014-10-02T06:24:26 < aadamson> it's *a million* times better
2014-10-02T06:24:30 < aadamson> , faster, etc
2014-10-02T06:24:40 < hjf> i just have an F4 discovery board
2014-10-02T06:24:53 < aadamson> all the stuff for the F4 is in that plugin
2014-10-02T06:25:06 < aadamson> will even create a *blinky* program automatically
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2014-10-02T06:25:36 < hjf> so anyway, i found a version of openocd that had stlink support compiled in
2014-10-02T06:25:45 < hjf> and i started to make some progress
2014-10-02T06:25:49 < aadamson> yep, most of us went to that after st-link
2014-10-02T06:25:56 < hjf> then i spent a few hours chasing an error
2014-10-02T06:26:11 < hjf> and turns out eclipse was wrong about line numbers
2014-10-02T06:26:16 < hjf> the error was somewhere else
2014-10-02T06:26:20 < aadamson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6730484/DSCN2493.JPG
2014-10-02T06:26:37 < aadamson> then me personally, I dumped the 10 pin debug header and went to a tag-connect
2014-10-02T06:26:39 < hjf> (i forgot to add some file to the Makefile - surprised me that i had to edit the makefile manually)
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2014-10-02T06:27:18 < aadamson> can't see it, its only one side and there is no header, but the 3 holes to the left of the LEDS and above the GPS chip are for the legs to come through on it
2014-10-02T06:28:22 < hjf> why 10 pins for debug?
2014-10-02T06:28:32 < hjf> is that the silly JTAG with gnd pins inbetween?
2014-10-02T06:28:36 < aadamson> I dunno, it's part of the cortex spec
2014-10-02T06:28:41 < aadamson> you need 6 actually
2014-10-02T06:28:50 < aadamson> clk/data/ground/gcc/so
2014-10-02T06:28:52 < aadamson> and if wanted trace
2014-10-02T06:29:01 < aadamson> s/so/swo
2014-10-02T06:29:08 < hjf> whats trace anyway?
2014-10-02T06:29:16 < dongs> opensores stuff doesnt suport swo
2014-10-02T06:29:17 < dongs> so no need
2014-10-02T06:29:21 < dongs> only need 3 pins
2014-10-02T06:29:24 < dongs> gnd/clk/io/
2014-10-02T06:29:39 < dongs> i just dont like having nonstandard shit to make adapters/crap for
2014-10-02T06:29:43 < dongs> 1.27mm swd header is smal lenough
2014-10-02T06:29:54 < aadamson> yea that true... I wanted vcc because I didn't want the stupid debugger to provide 3v3 when the platform is actually a 1.8v
2014-10-02T06:30:06 < aadamson> hey what dicknplace do you have anyway?
2014-10-02T06:30:08 < dongs> right
2014-10-02T06:30:12 < aadamson> (saw your comment on hack*
2014-10-02T06:30:13 < aadamson> )
2014-10-02T06:30:25 < dongs> same shitty one ive always had
2014-10-02T06:30:27 < dongs> you dont want it.
2014-10-02T06:30:42 < aadamson> i know I don't just curious *what it is* :)
2014-10-02T06:30:51 < aadamson> does it have vision?
2014-10-02T06:31:22 < aadamson> I actually which someone would make a small hobbiest with vision... if price were right, I'd be all over that
2014-10-02T06:33:58 < dongs> of course it does
2014-10-02T06:34:12 < dongs> anything without pickup/bottom vision is a useless toy
2014-10-02T06:34:20 < aadamson> yup
2014-10-02T06:34:22 < dongs> i.e. all the shit flooding MAKE:R community
2014-10-02T06:34:46 < dongs> god damn altium picknplace for bottom layer is mirrored or somethign
2014-10-02T06:34:47 < dongs> WTF
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2014-10-02T06:37:46 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/REM/Pick+and+Place+Output+Options haha
2014-10-02T06:37:58 < dongs> The Pick and Place Setup dialog provides you with tools to completely configure your pick and place output options
2014-10-02T06:38:11 < dongs> having two output options and units choice doesnt sound like COMPLETELY to me
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2014-10-02T09:15:15 < akaWolf> dongs: it's Altium, dongie. try to use MG.
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2014-10-02T09:45:37 < dongs> akaWolf: more like mental graphics
2014-10-02T09:45:47 < dongs> its mental cuz they still use GDI for drawing in 2014
2014-10-02T09:49:28 < akaWolf> it's not important. their product is works!
2014-10-02T09:50:24 < dongs> if it takes a year to redraw my pcb on modern hardware, that doesn't works!
2014-10-02T09:51:11 < jpa-> windows doesn't accelerate gdi?
2014-10-02T09:51:26 < dongs> gdi is like 20 years old ancient shit
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2014-10-02T09:51:45 < jpa-> true, though a lot of applications still use it
2014-10-02T09:51:47 < akaWolf> dongs: it's definitely not takes a year. just try.
2014-10-02T09:53:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/8UUaiOq.jpg
2014-10-02T09:54:57 < akaWolf> dongs: too easy for MG.
2014-10-02T09:55:52 < jpa-> when you put a too easy pcb, it gets lazy and renders slow? :)
2014-10-02T09:56:01 < englishman> you mean mentor graphics?
2014-10-02T09:56:10 < englishman> ooh is that chromebook dixel
2014-10-02T09:56:12 < dongs> i thought russians were all about altium
2014-10-02T09:56:15 < akaWolf> jpa-: something like this :)
2014-10-02T09:56:21 < akaWolf> englishman: yep
2014-10-02T09:56:36 < akaWolf> dongs: you are too close-minded
2014-10-02T09:56:50 < englishman> have u tried pulsonix also
2014-10-02T09:56:55 < dongs> akaWolf: not at all
2014-10-02T09:57:00 < akaWolf> englishman: nope
2014-10-02T09:57:01 < dongs> also im trolling 99% of the tiem
2014-10-02T09:57:19 < akaWolf> dongs: ok :)
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2014-10-02T10:26:43 < dongs> Is this a joke ? I mean, using hundreds of command-line-commands for "easily" committing changes ... WHO WORKS LIKE THIS ? retarded computer freaks ? seriously, THIS is why programmers have such a bad reputation. doing simple things in a strange, unlogical, ugly und troublesome way.
2014-10-02T10:27:25 < akaWolf> ?
2014-10-02T10:27:43 < jpa-> even if git has hundreds of commands, you typically use only 5 or so :P
2014-10-02T10:27:43 < akaWolf> what are you about, my sweet dongie? :)
2014-10-02T10:27:48 < dongs> git
2014-10-02T10:27:55 < akaWolf> ok
2014-10-02T10:28:19 < akaWolf> git is the best VCS...
2014-10-02T10:28:30 < dongs> git doesnt even have authentication
2014-10-02T10:28:36 < qyx_> huh?
2014-10-02T10:28:36 < dongs> any dick can commit as anyone else
2014-10-02T10:28:41 < akaWolf> am
2014-10-02T10:28:47 < akaWolf> really? :)
2014-10-02T10:28:50 < dongs> yes
2014-10-02T10:28:57 < jpa-> nah, it has authentication for pushing
2014-10-02T10:29:01 < akaWolf> yep
2014-10-02T10:29:08 < dongs> dosnt matter
2014-10-02T10:29:13 < dongs> you already committed as bill@microsoft.com
2014-10-02T10:29:16 < jpa-> the "Author" field has no authentication - how would you authenticate that anyway?
2014-10-02T10:29:28 < jpa-> it does have a way to sign the commits with GPG
2014-10-02T10:29:44 < dongs> i.e. "strange, unlogical, ugly und troublesome"
2014-10-02T10:29:52 < qyx_> perfectly logical
2014-10-02T10:29:53 < dongs> i mean who the fuck uses gpg???
2014-10-02T10:29:56 < dongs> nope
2014-10-02T10:30:01 < jpa-> "works within bounds of reality"
2014-10-02T10:30:16 < jpa-> is there any better way to authenticate the name of the author?
2014-10-02T10:31:09 < jpa-> considering it is a *distributed* system - if one didn't care for distributedness, git has little advantage over svn
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2014-10-02T10:53:04 < dongs> yes! all chips are talking on i2c
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2014-10-02T12:04:02 < baird_> http://www.osnews.com/story/27969/Why_did_Microsoft_skip_Windows_9_
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2014-10-02T12:29:12 < dongs> zzz all that shit is in java
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2014-10-02T12:35:21 < __rob> dongs, if your on windows get sourcetree for git
2014-10-02T12:35:27 < dongs> oh i did
2014-10-02T12:35:29 < __rob> ahh
2014-10-02T12:35:33 < dongs> trhat doenst make it suck any less.
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2014-10-02T14:36:15 < Laurenceb> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/pisg.html
2014-10-02T14:36:24 < Laurenceb> Trollence seemed to be hated too: 2 kicks were received.
2014-10-02T14:37:00 < Laurenceb> dongs also makes sailors blush, 1.9% of the time.
2014-10-02T14:37:28 < Steffanx> and Laurenceb talks to himself a lot.
2014-10-02T14:38:39 < Steffanx> our visual "stats" are nicer: http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/other/cspy/stm32.html
2014-10-02T14:38:52 < Laurenceb> hahah wut
2014-10-02T14:38:54 < Steffanx> it seems to be all about dongs
2014-10-02T14:39:09 < Steffanx> and bugs
2014-10-02T14:39:14 < Laurenceb> this is epic
2014-10-02T15:09:12 < dongs> lols
2014-10-02T15:09:27 < dongs> thats nice
2014-10-02T15:10:12 < dongs> haha, zyp -> C++
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2014-10-02T15:27:09 < Laurenceb> dongs: how do i reflash a afro esc using the programmer?
2014-10-02T15:27:12 < Laurenceb> i forgot lol
2014-10-02T15:27:19 < Laurenceb> avrdude .... something
2014-10-02T15:28:20 < englishman> thru pwm port?
2014-10-02T15:28:51 < Laurenceb> yeah
2014-10-02T15:29:04 < englishman> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rapidflash/gehadojofkekobiohnefkabgimeniglh?hl=en
2014-10-02T15:29:57 < Laurenceb> oh there is a manual lol
2014-10-02T15:30:28 < Laurenceb> stk500v2
2014-10-02T15:31:15 < Laurenceb> now i just need to learn avrdude
2014-10-02T15:31:21 < englishman> click the link
2014-10-02T15:31:23 < englishman> click it
2014-10-02T15:31:31 < englishman> no you dont
2014-10-02T15:31:33 < englishman> click the link
2014-10-02T15:31:44 < Laurenceb> lol im not running that
2014-10-02T15:32:05 < englishman> im trying to help here
2014-10-02T15:32:08 < englishman> wat
2014-10-02T15:32:51 < englishman> why are you being a dumbass, stop being a dumbass
2014-10-02T15:35:28  * baird is aged over 35 :D
2014-10-02T15:36:20 < baird> whoop, wrong channel..
2014-10-02T15:36:33 < baird> But I'm assured you're all glad to know this little fact.
2014-10-02T15:37:18 < englishman> happy birthday
2014-10-02T15:39:59 < Laurenceb> seemed to work
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2014-10-02T16:22:24 < dongs> http://schiit.com/products/wyrd-usb-decrapifier looool
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2014-10-02T16:33:05 < Laurenceb> attn dongs
2014-10-02T16:33:13 < Laurenceb> i have an issue with afro esc
2014-10-02T16:33:20 < dongs> did it explode in your face
2014-10-02T16:33:21 < Laurenceb> it seems to be shutting down at spinup
2014-10-02T16:33:23 < dongs> (thats normal)
2014-10-02T16:33:27 < dongs> oh
2014-10-02T16:33:32 < dongs> how did you break it
2014-10-02T16:33:34 < dongs> red led on?
2014-10-02T16:33:39 < Laurenceb> it spins for ~0.5 seconds
2014-10-02T16:33:42 < Laurenceb> kjust a sec
2014-10-02T16:33:59 < Laurenceb> yeah
2014-10-02T16:34:09 < Laurenceb> red flash then two tones
2014-10-02T16:34:20 < Laurenceb> then back to beeping every few seconds
2014-10-02T16:34:55 < Laurenceb> too much torque ?
2014-10-02T16:35:07 < Laurenceb> theres a lot of friction in the stuff its connected too
2014-10-02T16:35:15 < Laurenceb> but it seems to start up ok
2014-10-02T16:37:02 < dongs> um that sounds like its getting reset
2014-10-02T16:37:09 < Laurenceb> oh wait
2014-10-02T16:37:17 < dongs> from overcurrent or osmeshit
2014-10-02T16:37:21 < dongs> your crappy power supply dropping out
2014-10-02T16:37:28 < Laurenceb> its on an overcurrent shutoff thing
2014-10-02T16:37:36 < Laurenceb> in case i fucked it up
2014-10-02T16:37:41 < Laurenceb> time to adjust limits
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2014-10-02T16:38:43 < akaWolf> hey, guys. what are you about?
2014-10-02T16:38:43 < Laurenceb> lolz
2014-10-02T16:38:53 < Laurenceb> my power supply cant cope
2014-10-02T16:38:54 < akaWolf> wtf is afro esc?
2014-10-02T16:39:04 < Laurenceb> its for killing blacks
2014-10-02T16:39:18 < akaWolf> cool device
2014-10-02T16:39:22 < akaWolf> I want him too
2014-10-02T16:39:23 < akaWolf> :)
2014-10-02T16:39:48 < Laurenceb> yeah by bench supply is resetting it
2014-10-02T16:39:49 < Laurenceb> lolz
2014-10-02T16:39:56 < Laurenceb> its only 5A
2014-10-02T16:40:06 < Laurenceb> time for a car battery
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2014-10-02T17:01:49 < rewolff1> Laurenceb: I have a an ESC here.
2014-10-02T17:02:05 < rewolff1> For when the ESC software "could not be trusted" I used the lab powersupply.
2014-10-02T17:02:41 < rewolff1> And when currentlimit at max wasn't enough (and enough trust had been built in the software) I put a LIPO battery in parallel with the lab powersupply.
2014-10-02T17:03:19 < madist> how did you match the voltage of the PSU to the lipo ?
2014-10-02T17:03:34 < rewolff1> Lab supply at 12V, well clear from the 12.6V max of the LIPO and I could just draw as much as I need from the lipo, and as long as the average current was below the 3A currentlimit of the powersupply the powersupply would charge the LIPO again.
2014-10-02T17:04:42 < rewolff1> Suppose the LIPO is 12.6V and the powersupply is 12V, then the powersupply will simply (like a simple 7805) not provide any output power until the LIPO is discharged below the 12V setpoint of the powersupply.
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2014-10-02T18:08:16 < synico> any ideas here?  http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/131649/stm32-pwm-only-works-correctly-when-i-leave-in-two-unused-variables-startupcoun
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2014-10-02T18:22:06 < TheSeven> rewolff1: did you get around to having a look at those f205 regs?
2014-10-02T18:22:30 < TheSeven> I'm fairly sure that the hardware is present, the interesting question is if they have disabled it by a laser fuse or something
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2014-10-02T18:27:46 < madist> synico: what variables are declared just before or just after HSEStatus ? if there are any arrays there look for write past array bound. same thing can happen when you cast types.  it could be a memory corruption issue.
2014-10-02T18:28:07 < madist> or set a breakpoint on HSEStatus.
2014-10-02T18:28:09 < synico> madist: k, I'll look around
2014-10-02T18:28:53 < madist> Can you do that on an STM32 ? break on memory location access ?
2014-10-02T18:29:22 < TheSeven> I guess it might be related to DMA alignment requirements or something
2014-10-02T18:30:11 < madist> http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/f2/a0/0001a0f2_big.jpeg
2014-10-02T18:31:09 < TheSeven> indeed, the way it's written the DMA buffer is likely only 16-bit aligned
2014-10-02T18:31:59 < TheSeven> try giving that DMA buffer (and the struct around it) an __attribute__((aligned(4)))
2014-10-02T18:35:14 < synico> wow, ok.  I'll give it a try
2014-10-02T18:35:41  * synico goes to read what __attribute__ is
2014-10-02T18:38:46 < rewolff1> TheSeven: sorry. Just tried, the '072 is recoginized by the debugger (16k RAM, 128k flash), but the '205 doesn't show up.
2014-10-02T18:39:34 < rewolff1> So from the '072 I seem to have the debugger connections right, but there  is something wrong with my '205 board. Currently no work-pressure to get that working again.
2014-10-02T18:40:54 < PaulFertser> madist: (break on memory location access) yes, it's called watchpoints, "watch" command in gdb.
2014-10-02T18:41:20 < madist> PaulFertser: I meant to ask if the STM32 hardware / ARM supports it.
2014-10-02T18:41:25 < PaulFertser> It does
2014-10-02T18:41:26 < madist> I guess it does. :)
2014-10-02T18:41:54 < PaulFertser> When you start openocd you see the number of available break and watchpoints right there on your terminal.
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2014-10-02T18:55:51 < TheSeven> damn... so is there anyone else who has some f205 based hardware?
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2014-10-02T19:12:02 < dongs> haha you still looking?
2014-10-02T19:12:07 < dongs> what do you expect to find there
2014-10-02T19:12:10 < dongs> isnt all teh shit documented
2014-10-02T19:12:29 < TheSeven> dongs: no, I'm looking for something undocumented
2014-10-02T19:12:41 < dongs> what could it be
2014-10-02T19:12:45 < TheSeven> based on the suspicion that f205 and f207 are the same die
2014-10-02T19:13:01 < qyx_> noone uses f205
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2014-10-02T19:13:09 < RaYmAn> Pebble does!
2014-10-02T19:13:09 < RaYmAn> :P
2014-10-02T19:13:09 < __rob> theres no reason I can't have half the SPI1 lines on porta and the others on portb is there ?
2014-10-02T19:13:15 < TheSeven> qyx_: then give me an f207 in 64 pin lqfp :P
2014-10-02T19:13:24 < dongs> __rob: on F4?
2014-10-02T19:13:32 < englishman> RaYmAn: rly, cool
2014-10-02T19:13:40 < __rob> so MOSI to PB5, but MISO to PA6
2014-10-02T19:13:42 < __rob> yea, f4
2014-10-02T19:13:45 < RaYmAn> Sony SmartWatch1 does as well
2014-10-02T19:13:48 < dongs> __rob: yeah, works fine
2014-10-02T19:13:57 < __rob> right, not for me
2014-10-02T19:13:58 < dongs> just configure AF etc properly
2014-10-02T19:14:15 < dongs> is PB5 one of jtag related pins
2014-10-02T19:15:01 < __rob> no, doesn't look like it
2014-10-02T19:15:14 < __rob> http://pastebin.com/nKMq42Zv
2014-10-02T19:15:21 < __rob> thats the alt functions for it
2014-10-02T19:16:30 < TheSeven> just wondering if they actually disabled the f207 features on f205, or if they can be used on most f205 chips, because f207 isn't available in 64pin lqfp, and 100pin lqfp is physically too big for that board
2014-10-02T19:17:29 < qyx_> multiple options - bga, wlcsp
2014-10-02T19:17:31 < __rob> AF5 is set, which looks to be correct
2014-10-02T19:17:35 < qyx_> why do you need f207?
2014-10-02T19:17:53 < qyx_> if you are going to do ethernet, the f207 wouldn't be the biggest thing on the pcb
2014-10-02T19:17:55 < TheSeven> qyx_: none of which I can solder easily... and I need it because of RMII
2014-10-02T19:18:29 < TheSeven> the ethernet hardware actually isn't on that board itself, there's just an RMII interface to another board connected to it which hosts the phy, magnetics and jack
2014-10-02T19:18:32 < qyx_> is it even possible to map all rmii/mii on 64pin package?
2014-10-02T19:18:44 < __rob> its only 9 pins
2014-10-02T19:18:46 < TheSeven> yes, because f107 has RMII on 64pin
2014-10-02T19:18:57 < qyx_> i know that 9<64
2014-10-02T19:18:58 < TheSeven> however f2xx is sooo much better than f1xx
2014-10-02T19:19:03 < qyx_> but if datasheet states that
2014-10-02T19:19:04 < TheSeven> so I'd rather use f205 if that works :P
2014-10-02T19:19:12 < qyx_> huh
2014-10-02T19:19:18 < qyx_> so you probably don't really need f205
2014-10-02T19:19:46 < qyx_> and i wouldn't use undocumented features/disabled parts
2014-10-02T19:19:58 < qyx_> until you are doing just few pieces
2014-10-02T19:20:02 < qyx_> *unless
2014-10-02T19:20:07 < englishman> RaYmAn: cool, looks like f205re in wlcsp
2014-10-02T19:21:15 < TheSeven> f107 is much slower, less memory, no OTG_HS, no SDIO, ...
2014-10-02T19:21:24 < TheSeven> and yes, I'm making just a few of those things
2014-10-02T19:22:30 < TheSeven> and ethernet is just an optional feature
2014-10-02T19:22:37 < TheSeven> so i'll use f205 on the non-ethernet boards anyway
2014-10-02T19:22:45 < TheSeven> because it's also cheaper than f107
2014-10-02T19:23:10 < TheSeven> so I'd rather just use f205 for all of them if ethernet will work on least half of those ;)
2014-10-02T19:23:30 < TheSeven> for any large-scale thing I would of course just go for BGA or whatever and have things "clean"
2014-10-02T19:24:12 < qyx_> you can still use atmega8 + enc28j60 if you are adventurous enough
2014-10-02T19:24:21 < TheSeven> urgh
2014-10-02T19:24:35 < Fleck> ;p
2014-10-02T19:25:14 < TheSeven> I think f107 will be a better option than that :P
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2014-10-02T19:45:28 < synico> TheSeven: ok, alignment doesn't seem to help.  I've done a watch -l StartUpCounter in gdb, and it basically breaks at every line in setup_gpio
2014-10-02T19:45:40 < synico> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.
2014-10-02T19:45:42 < synico> setup_gpio () at src/gpio.c:22
2014-10-02T19:45:44 < synico> 22    GPIO_InitStructure.GPIO_PuPd = GPIO_PuPd_NOPULL;
2014-10-02T19:45:46 < synico> etc etc
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2014-10-02T19:52:02 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/WJxM6756.html cool
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2014-10-02T20:10:12 < Laurenceb> main screen turn ON
2014-10-02T20:12:35 < dongs> indeed
2014-10-02T20:12:45 < dongs> http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/2/6886747/intel-buckles-to-anti-feminist-campaign-by-pulling-ads-from-gaming wut
2014-10-02T20:14:06 < Laurenceb> irony meter exploded
2014-10-02T20:14:57 < Tectu> tl;dr
2014-10-02T20:15:58 < Laurenceb> Zoe Quinn
2014-10-02T20:16:11 < Laurenceb> who doesnt actually exist anyway...
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2014-10-02T20:20:41 < Laurenceb> <Tectu> are there still any fappenings around?
2014-10-02T20:21:07 < Laurenceb> Tectu is pming me for fap material
2014-10-02T20:22:06 < madist> if you guys are sharing nudes of dongs, can I get a copy too ?
2014-10-02T20:22:27 < Tectu> <Steffanx> ask laurenceb
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2014-10-02T20:25:36 < dongs> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/other/cspy/stm32.html this one needs to have Tectu -> kawaii arrow
2014-10-02T20:26:24 < Steffanx> Tectu, has to say kawaii more often for that
2014-10-02T20:26:30 < dongs> oh
2014-10-02T20:27:48 < Steffanx> According to that top picture Mr. Sauce is god and dongs jesus.
2014-10-02T20:28:26 < dongs> 2am , such fail
2014-10-02T20:28:27 < Steffanx> All talk through dongs except for a few with direct lines
2014-10-02T20:28:29 < dongs> bbl
2014-10-02T20:28:31 < dongs> yeah
2014-10-02T20:34:02 < karlp> dongs: opensores does have swo support, just no-ones doing much with it
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2014-10-02T20:36:02 < Tectu> it makes me sad that emeb and emeb_mac do not seem to like each other that much
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2014-10-02T20:40:45 < emeb> Tectu is hilarious
2014-10-02T20:44:38 < karlp> come play with me:  http://labs.dinahmoe.com/plink/
2014-10-02T20:45:57 < Steffanx> Too many plinkers it doesnt seem to work
2014-10-02T20:47:28 < karlp> http://imgurthree.dinahmoe.com/ ?
2014-10-02T20:49:59 < Steffanx> it actually sounds pretty nice sometimes
2014-10-02T20:57:57 < qyx_> huh that graph
2014-10-02T20:58:02 < qyx_> i should talk less
2014-10-02T21:00:38 < Steffanx> less about chibios qyx_ :P
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2014-10-02T21:35:16 < Steffanx> karlp, one doesnt need drugs anymore when you stop with that "game" .. everything keeps moving after you stopped
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2014-10-02T22:24:54 < __rob> looks like I have a busted pin on my PB5
2014-10-02T22:25:03 < __rob> is it likely that just one pin could be broken
2014-10-02T22:25:08 < __rob> not the whole port
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2014-10-02T22:29:58 < mringwal> The MSP430 has an instruction to enable IRQs and enter sleep mode, so you wont miss an IRQ. How can I do this on an STMF1?
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2014-10-02T22:33:48 < Thorn> wfi?
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2014-10-02T23:21:50 < englishman> mringwal interrupts are handled by the exti core and have a ton of options
2014-10-02T23:21:56 < englishman> check out the reference manual
2014-10-02T23:22:25 < mringwal> Thorn: does wfi enable interrupts automatically? (that would be excellent)
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2014-10-02T23:22:47 < Thorn> no it doesn't
2014-10-02T23:22:59 < mringwal> englishman: I'm more worried about the run+IRQ disabled -> sleep+ IRQ enabled transition.
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2014-10-02T23:23:52 < englishman> what is there to worry about?
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2014-10-02T23:25:20 < mringwal> I have a run loop that handles a few different statemachines. after all of them get called, I check a flag that is set by any incoming data (IRQ) and if that flag isn't set, the run loop enters sleep.
2014-10-02T23:25:55 < zyp> use ldrex/strex
2014-10-02T23:26:14 < mringwal> if the IRQ occurs after re-enabling IRQs, sleep would be entered although the run loop should do yet another round
2014-10-02T23:26:54 < mringwal> zyp: no clue what that is but I'm sure I'll figure it out.
2014-10-02T23:26:54 < Thorn> you seem to be missing an interrupt handler lol
2014-10-02T23:27:06 < zyp> hmm, disregard that, it's not really appropriate for your problem
2014-10-02T23:28:03 < englishman> yeah when irqs are enabled and it arrives it should jump to your handler
2014-10-02T23:28:04 < englishman> which will prevent/take out of sleep
2014-10-02T23:28:13 < zyp> you might want to use a service call and SLEEPONEXIT
2014-10-02T23:28:16 < mringwal> There's still a chance that there's a much simpler way I just don't see. On the MSP430 there was this combined instruction and I thought "well, that makes sense"
2014-10-02T23:28:58 < zyp> the SLEEPONEXIT bit means «go to sleep when not processing interrupts»
2014-10-02T23:29:09 < mringwal> englishman: it would enter the IRQ handler, but enter sleep on exit, which I would like to avoid. (like a two layer IRQ driver: lower / uppder half)
2014-10-02T23:29:31 < bvernoux> wfe/wfi is better for that on  ARM
2014-10-02T23:29:39 < bvernoux> you can even configure Power Mode
2014-10-02T23:29:45 < zyp> when you are using threads, you would set SLEEPONEXIT in the context switcher when there's no threads ready to run
2014-10-02T23:30:03 < zyp> you probably want something similar, except you're only using a single thread
2014-10-02T23:30:23 < englishman> sounds like I'm missing something then, I understood the IRQ was meant to run your thread and take the chip out of sleep
2014-10-02T23:30:36 < mringwal> zyp: right. but "Sleep on exit" is exactly what I need. so, I could make a software interrupt that uses the sleep on exit feautere.
2014-10-02T23:30:58 < zyp> mringwal, yes, that's what I meant by service call
2014-10-02T23:31:06 < englishman> zyp I've never used an rtos before is that kind of thing universal?
2014-10-02T23:31:16 < zyp> englishman, what do you mean?
2014-10-02T23:31:25 < englishman> you're talking about an rtos right
2014-10-02T23:31:30 < zyp> SLEEPONEXIT is a cortex-m feature
2014-10-02T23:31:41 < mringwal> englishman: the IRQ needs to be able to trigger the run loop. if it occurs right after the run loop has decided that nothingelse needs to be done, then we go to sleep to early
2014-10-02T23:31:44 < englishman> oh ok
2014-10-02T23:31:48 < zyp> I'm talking about how a thread scheduler would be done in general
2014-10-02T23:32:06 < mringwal> (and I don't have/need a RTOS right now)
2014-10-02T23:32:26 < mringwal> zyp: thanks btw.
2014-10-02T23:32:54 < zyp> no problem
2014-10-02T23:33:04 < bvernoux> so just in your main loop call wfe instruction
2014-10-02T23:33:13 < bvernoux> simpler and work fine
2014-10-02T23:33:19 < englishman> yeah I don't get it then, seems like a simple problem
2014-10-02T23:33:24 < zyp> bvernoux, you're completely missing the point
2014-10-02T23:33:26 < Thorn> mringwal: can't you run your whole loop in an interrupt handler?
2014-10-02T23:33:38 < Thorn> if it's the only thread
2014-10-02T23:33:40 < bvernoux> zyp: I'm using that to lower power consumption
2014-10-02T23:33:49 < bvernoux> in dual core
2014-10-02T23:34:01 < bvernoux> I doubt you have ever tested dual Core in CortexM
2014-10-02T23:34:07 < zyp> bvernoux, you're completely missing the point
2014-10-02T23:34:36 < bvernoux> ha it is not for low power feature ?
2014-10-02T23:34:47 < mringwal> Thorn: not sure. it would at least feel odd. it also wouldn't allow to use IRQs, would it? and if yes, the problem just seems to be shifted a bit
2014-10-02T23:34:55 < bvernoux> mringwal> I have a run loop that handles a few different statemachines. after all of them get called, I check a flag that is set by any incoming data (IRQ) and if that flag isn't set, the run loop enters sleep.
2014-10-02T23:35:02 < bvernoux> for me it is the problem ;)
2014-10-02T23:35:05 < Thorn> this is cortex, interrupts have priorities
2014-10-02T23:35:13 < Thorn> run it at a low priority
2014-10-02T23:35:14 < bvernoux> to enter sleep at end of interrupt or main algorithm
2014-10-02T23:35:34 < bvernoux> anyway there is a main while(1) loop
2014-10-02T23:35:41 < bvernoux> like in all app
2014-10-02T23:35:44 < zyp> bvernoux, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/uZS3Y <- this is what you're proposing, right?
2014-10-02T23:35:50 < mringwal> bvernoux: why is enter sleep at end of while(1) loop a problem?
2014-10-02T23:35:56 < bvernoux> yes
2014-10-02T23:36:08 < zyp> bvernoux, ok, listen
2014-10-02T23:36:11 < bvernoux> wfe is better ;)
2014-10-02T23:36:28 < bvernoux> event is a bit more than just IRQ
2014-10-02T23:36:50 < zyp> that code is dangerous, it has a race condition that may result in a deadlock
2014-10-02T23:37:12 < zyp> if the interrupt is triggered between the if and the wfi/wfe, you'll miss that the flag got set, and still go to sleep
2014-10-02T23:37:15 < zyp> that is the whole problem
2014-10-02T23:37:31 < zyp> and if you don't solve that, you're missing the point
2014-10-02T23:37:40 < bvernoux> your example if not good of course
2014-10-02T23:38:00 < zyp> bvernoux, so how would you fix it?
2014-10-02T23:38:15 < zyp> because that's what the discussion is about
2014-10-02T23:38:25 < englishman> doesn't wfi wait for all interrupts to be cleared?
2014-10-02T23:38:45 < zyp> englishman, yes, but that's not relevant
2014-10-02T23:38:47 < bvernoux> yes wfi wait for NO IRQ
2014-10-02T23:38:52 < bvernoux> no any at all
2014-10-02T23:38:59 < zyp> wfi wouldn't even get executed if the interrupt is not cleared
2014-10-02T23:39:25 < mringwal> just for reference: this is the single run loop execution: https://code.google.com/p/btstack/source/browse/trunk/src/run_loop_embedded.c#150
2014-10-02T23:39:58 < bvernoux> anyway wfi alone is also not good ;)
2014-10-02T23:40:18 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/8dsu7 <- in case it was unclear
2014-10-02T23:40:20 < bvernoux> there is errata
2014-10-02T23:40:33 < bvernoux> it is wrong
2014-10-02T23:40:40 < bvernoux> if IRQ is triggered at this point
2014-10-02T23:40:49 < bvernoux> IRQ will be called ;)
2014-10-02T23:41:03 < bvernoux> and then at end of IRQ it will come back to that point and call wfi
2014-10-02T23:41:08 < zyp> yes, that's why stuff_to_do is now true.
2014-10-02T23:41:19 < englishman> ah I see
2014-10-02T23:41:22 < englishman> can it be fixed by turning off that interrupt temporarily
2014-10-02T23:41:24 < bvernoux> the design is wrong
2014-10-02T23:41:42 < zyp> englishman, no, then you can't wake up
2014-10-02T23:41:54 < bvernoux> wfi be called without any condition
2014-10-02T23:41:59 < zyp> you can't turn on interrupts and go to sleep in an atomic operation
2014-10-02T23:42:02 < bvernoux> do stuff and then wfi
2014-10-02T23:42:08 < englishman> or adding another variable so it can't affect anything inside that if statement
2014-10-02T23:42:09 < bvernoux> loop again do stuff
2014-10-02T23:42:11 < bvernoux> ...
2014-10-02T23:42:21 < englishman> yeah zyp just realized that heh
2014-10-02T23:42:44 < bvernoux> else you protect it by disabling IRQ ;)
2014-10-02T23:42:50 < bvernoux> and it will not work haha
2014-10-02T23:43:04 < bvernoux> it is not intended to work like that anyway
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2014-10-02T23:44:02 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/gOCdy <- here's what I would do
2014-10-02T23:44:49 < zyp> also, svc handler needs to be high enough priority that it can't be preempted by anything else touching those flags
2014-10-02T23:45:16 < karlp> zyp: is that _really_ the only way to make thinigs work? seems so terribly obtuse.
2014-10-02T23:45:29 < englishman> hmh that's interesting
2014-10-02T23:45:52 < karlp> also, isnt' that the same as thorns solution of just doing the stuff in the handler itself I guess
2014-10-02T23:46:04 < zyp> karlp, dunno, it's what I came up with
2014-10-02T23:46:28 < zyp> doing stuff in the handler obviously works if that fits the rest of the code
2014-10-02T23:47:16 < englishman> well karlp I think putting function in irq is for getting one thing done per IRQ? where zyps is for running something constantly until interrupt
2014-10-02T23:47:30 < zyp> englishman, no
2014-10-02T23:47:43 < Steffanx> you can still do it by using a flag, a while instead of an if and wfe, not? (isn't it an example in the Definitive cm3 guide?)
2014-10-02T23:47:51 < karlp> I guess I've normally just not cared, the handler normally pushed any data it needed to be saved, or did the work, and even if I went to sleep early, the next irq woke me up again anyway, guess I just got away with it by not having interrutps that needed processing so early before it slept
2014-10-02T23:48:17 < zyp> Steffanx, you still have the race possibility of the wakeup interrupt hitting right before the wfe
2014-10-02T23:49:01 < mringwal> zyp: so, the "svc" which doesn't depeng on the global irq enable does the sleeponexit if there's nothing else to do.
2014-10-02T23:49:05 < zyp> karlp, if you don't mind waiting for an extra interrupt then sure
2014-10-02T23:49:24 < zyp> mringwal, that's the idea, yes
2014-10-02T23:49:57 < mringwal> ... and if you use tickless timers, there might just be no more interrupt, but the last one did create some data that would tigger more processing
2014-10-02T23:49:58 < Steffanx> Then set an event and a flag in the interrupt handler so wfe doesn't "wait"  zyp?
2014-10-02T23:50:52 < zyp> Steffanx, hmm, how does that work?
2014-10-02T23:51:51 < zyp> if there's a mechanic that lets you move the stuff_to_do-condition to an event flag that would prevent the sleep, then that's obviously fine
2014-10-02T23:52:14 < zyp> I'm not aware of any, so let me know what to read up on if it exists
2014-10-02T23:53:00 < Steffanx> isn't it what is kind of explain here? http://tinyurl.com/ll8uslp (not sure if that points to the right page) or did i also completely miss hte point?
2014-10-02T23:53:51 < karlp> what page do you want?
2014-10-02T23:53:57 < Steffanx> and with the reference to the rtos it kind of looks like a software solution of the SLEEPONEXIT
2014-10-02T23:54:12 < Steffanx> 307-308
2014-10-02T23:54:20 < bvernoux> anyway if you need faster interrupt do not use sleep
2014-10-02T23:54:32 < bvernoux> as sleep take microsec to wakeup
2014-10-02T23:54:49 < bvernoux> which can be a blocking latency for some projects
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2014-10-02T23:55:06 < zyp> ah, sev
2014-10-02T23:55:30 < zyp> okay, then that's the solution
2014-10-02T23:55:41 < bvernoux> becareful with sev
2014-10-02T23:55:45 < bvernoux> I use it with multicore
2014-10-02T23:55:46 < bvernoux>   /* make sure all data transactions complete before next instruction is executed */
2014-10-02T23:55:46 < bvernoux>   __asm("dsb");
2014-10-02T23:55:46 < bvernoux>   __asm("sev");
2014-10-02T23:55:50 < bvernoux> dsb before ;)
2014-10-02T23:55:56 < bvernoux> else some crazy stuff can happen
2014-10-02T23:56:04 < zyp> hmm, is the event flag always set when an interrupt is triggered?
2014-10-02T23:56:24 < bvernoux> yes sev to send event to sleep why not
2014-10-02T23:56:36 < zyp> I mean since they refer to errata
2014-10-02T23:57:08 < bvernoux> It also sets the local event register, see Power management (sleep mode, deep sleep mode of System Control Register for more details).
2014-10-02T23:57:08 < bvernoux> Instruction for Cortex M0, M3/M4 */
2014-10-02T23:57:20 < bvernoux> oups
2014-10-02T23:57:21 < bvernoux>  SEV causes an event to be signaled to all processors in a multiprocessor system
2014-10-02T23:57:21 < bvernoux> It also sets the local event register, see Power management (sleep mode, deep sleep mode of System Control Register for more details).
2014-10-02T23:57:21 < bvernoux> Instruction for Cortex M0, M3/M4
2014-10-02T23:57:33 < bvernoux> it is specific to each MCU ;)
2014-10-02T23:57:47 < bvernoux> especially for the sleep mode deep sleep ...
2014-10-02T23:58:25 < bvernoux> in that case use wfe
2014-10-02T23:58:32 < bvernoux> Wait For Event.
2014-10-02T23:58:32 < bvernoux> If the event register is 0, WFE suspends execution until one of the following events occurs:
2014-10-02T23:58:32 < bvernoux>  - an exception, unless masked by the exception mask registers or the current priority level
2014-10-02T23:58:32 < bvernoux>  - an exception enters the Pending state, if SEVONPEND in the System Control Register is set
2014-10-02T23:58:32 < bvernoux>  - a Debug Entry request, if debug is enabled
2014-10-02T23:58:33 < bvernoux>  - an event signaled by a peripheral or another processor in a multiprocessor system using the SEV instruction.
2014-10-02T23:58:36 < bvernoux> If the event register is 1, WFE clears it to 0 and completes immediately.
2014-10-02T23:58:38 < bvernoux> Instruction for Cortex M0, M3/M4
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2014-10-03T00:00:38 < mringwal> Steffanx: thanks for the llink. that's excatly the problem I've been asking. is that a good (first) book on arm cortex?
2014-10-03T00:01:16 < zyp> ah
2014-10-03T00:01:23 < bvernoux> does anyone have a link for CortexM7 new instructions ?
2014-10-03T00:01:32 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/0SgJN.png <- here's the interesting information on it from the v7m TRM
2014-10-03T00:03:02 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/UtmNm <- so this should actually be safe
2014-10-03T00:04:00 < karlp> how is that any different, given the outer while(1)? (from the original)
2014-10-03T00:04:16 < zyp> wfe rather than wfi
2014-10-03T00:04:33 < karlp> right, but you don't need to change the if to a while, it's the use of wfe not wfi that's the main change
2014-10-03T00:04:34 < zyp> and the inner while is important, since it might not always sleep on first call
2014-10-03T00:04:59 < karlp> ok, sure, I overlooked that there's "other stuff" after the wfe, before it loops around again :)
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2014-10-03T03:48:29 < dongs> hey songs
2014-10-03T03:48:42 < dongs> karlp: yeah sure, probly cuz even if suport is there everything else is useless.
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2014-10-03T04:33:47 < dongs> haha
2014-10-03T04:33:52 < dongs> another chinese stm32 project with I2C
2014-10-03T04:33:56 < dongs> and the're just bitbanging it
2014-10-03T04:34:18 < dongs> wait wat this code looks like same shit i pasted before
2014-10-03T04:39:00 < dongs> MODULE_AUTHOR("xiaozhi");
2014-10-03T04:53:54 < dongs> hmm
2014-10-03T04:54:07 < dongs> ADI reference code wiht HAL, > 200 files, all sorts of aids
2014-10-03T04:54:19 < dongs> or chinese lunix driver with 3 files and ~25k of code
2014-10-03T04:54:19 < emeb> hate that
2014-10-03T04:54:37 < dongs> both for same chip
2014-10-03T04:54:42 < dongs> i think i'll start with the chinese one.
2014-10-03T04:54:49 < dongs> and hope it works
2014-10-03T04:54:51 < emeb> that's sure to work well
2014-10-03T04:54:57 < emeb> </irony>
2014-10-03T04:55:09 < dongs> it cant be worse than t rying to figure out how to get all that hal garbage into stm32
2014-10-03T04:55:29 < emeb> you're in a maze of twisty sourcefiles, all alike
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2014-10-03T04:56:26 < emeb> on the upside, it's not a PIC processor so you don't need to use the failsauce that is MPLAB
2014-10-03T04:56:27 < dongs> haha what hte fuck they have an assembly file in ther
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2014-10-03T04:57:04 < dongs> void HAL_I2C_GetLogInfo(UINT32*, UINT16*);
2014-10-03T04:57:25 < dongs> omg so much ugly code
2014-10-03T04:57:29 < dongs> chinese shit it is
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2014-10-03T05:06:50 < ds2> I'd take MPLAB anyday over IAR shit
2014-10-03T05:07:33 < emeb> been years since I tried IAR
2014-10-03T05:07:44 < emeb> but MPLAB is a royal pain.
2014-10-03T05:07:55 < ds2> <-- was subjected to it this AM @ the STM32L0 seminar :(
2014-10-03T05:08:16 < emeb> download pod (ICD3) is constantly hanging up, needing drivers reset, etc
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2014-10-03T05:31:08 < _unreal_> hum
2014-10-03T05:31:20 < _unreal_> any of you ever done any thing with stm32's and CNC?
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2014-10-03T05:43:42 < dongs> the time you spent asking you could have made something already
2014-10-03T05:43:46 < dongs> there's liek 5 people that regularly chat here
2014-10-03T05:43:50 < dongs> and none of htem do CNC
2014-10-03T05:43:59 < dongs> and i'm sure all5 have already seen your question last 3 times ytou asked it
2014-10-03T05:50:45 < _unreal_> hay look at that the first person to respond to my question at least FINALLY
2014-10-03T05:51:29 < _unreal_> I'm um at the bottom o the totem pole when it comes to programming
2014-10-03T05:57:07 < englishman> cnc shit is all tarduino shit
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2014-10-03T06:27:19 < karlp> people responded to you the firs ttime too, thats why you got no responses theother times
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2014-10-03T06:59:26 < dongs> yes
2014-10-03T06:59:29 < dongs> array copy
2014-10-03T06:59:35 < dongs> yea,
2014-10-03T06:59:41 < dongs> you can specify space/x/y pitch
2014-10-03T06:59:45 < dongs> shrug
2014-10-03T06:59:48 < dongs> whats wrong wiht that
2014-10-03T07:00:01 < dongs> shut up.
2014-10-03T07:00:10 < dongs> another channel retweeted a pretty good american made dicknplace
2014-10-03T07:00:12 < dongs> interested?
2014-10-03T07:00:14 < dongs> its around 50k
2014-10-03T07:00:39 < dongs> R2COM: http://www.ddmnovastar.com/pick-and-place/automated-systems/le-40v-pick-and-place-equipment-with-vision
2014-10-03T07:00:46 < dongs> spec looks pretty good.
2014-10-03T07:01:02 < dongs> usa
2014-10-03T07:01:06 < dongs> no chinese garbage.
2014-10-03T07:01:11 < dongs> super proudly
2014-10-03T07:02:23 < dongs> its not amazing but not too terrible either
2014-10-03T07:03:34 < dongs> yeah the ECO shit is slow i dunno why
2014-10-03T07:03:36 < dongs> so fucking dumb
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2014-10-03T07:05:08 < dongs> R2COM: ohh, http://www.ddmnovastar.com/pick-and-place/automated-systems/l-sf40-benchtop
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2014-10-03T07:05:31 < dongs> no idea, trhere are no prices on any of the stuff
2014-10-03T07:05:35 < dongs> but that one does cut tape feeers
2014-10-03T07:06:09 < dongs> hm, no vision tho
2014-10-03T07:06:13 < dongs> so never mind
2014-10-03T07:06:31 < dongs> no vision/laser for alignment is a non-starter
2014-10-03T07:09:52 < dongs> ST doesnt give a fuck to anyone
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2014-10-03T07:15:56 < dongs> iim not italian or member of mafia
2014-10-03T07:15:59 < dongs> so no
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2014-10-03T10:01:06 < akaWolf> dongs: God Father
2014-10-03T10:25:35 < dongs> time to lunix
2014-10-03T10:25:52 < dongs> 	@make -C $(LINUX_ROOT) M=$(PWD) clean
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2014-10-03T14:50:10 < akaWolf> IPv6
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2014-10-03T15:10:35 < dongs> hm
2014-10-03T15:10:48 < dongs> dingleberrypi is sending me 858x525 over hdmi
2014-10-03T15:12:04 < jpa-> it's a fine resolution
2014-10-03T15:12:44 < jpa-> guaranteed scaling artifacts and letterboxing, no matter what the display size
2014-10-03T15:13:00 < zyp> sounds like PAL
2014-10-03T15:13:26 < jpa-> extra points for the horizontal non-divisibility by 4, giving nice unaligned memory accesses
2014-10-03T15:13:47 < dongs> i think thats like including overscan shit
2014-10-03T15:14:01 < dongs> i need up arrow + command editing in my cli :(
2014-10-03T15:14:04 < dongs> Simon--: ^^^
2014-10-03T15:14:17 < jpa-> sounds like you need some gnu readline!
2014-10-03T15:14:18 < dongs> i ahve to retype i2c command shit over and over to test stuff heh
2014-10-03T15:14:22 < dongs> yeah on stm32
2014-10-03T15:14:25 < jpa-> yeah
2014-10-03T15:14:31 < dongs> has anyone written anything useful like that?
2014-10-03T15:14:37 < jpa-> use a serial terminal with the function?
2014-10-03T15:14:48 < jpa-> termite, cutecom or similar
2014-10-03T15:14:49 < dongs> https://github.com/tstellanova/qemu-stm32-SoC/blob/master/readline.c
2014-10-03T15:16:00 < dongs> seems that would do but so lazy
2014-10-03T15:16:20 < dongs> plus lol @ all the memory allocations
2014-10-03T15:16:23 < dongs> g_strdup
2014-10-03T15:17:40 < dongs> HDMI_VFRMT_720x480p60_4_3,  720, 480, false, 858, 138, 525, 45, 31465, 59940, 27000, 59940, true},
2014-10-03T15:17:48 < dongs> seeing this also
2014-10-03T15:17:57 < jpa-> well that is not for running on stm32, it is the emulator it seems
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2014-10-03T15:29:22 < dongs> oh maybe its 720x480 cuz its lonix console or something
2014-10-03T15:29:30 < dongs> hm nah too much sd card reading to be console
2014-10-03T15:32:20 < Laurenceb> wtf is this
2014-10-03T15:32:51 < Laurenceb> emulate stm32? or emulate other stuff on stm32?
2014-10-03T15:33:14 < jpa-> that repo seems to emulate stm32 on qemu
2014-10-03T15:33:18 < Laurenceb> ah
2014-10-03T15:33:34 < jpa-> of course you could probably compile qemu for arm and run it on stm32
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2014-10-03T15:47:15 < dongs> https://news.vice.com/article/former-top-official-says-kim-jong-un-is-no-longer-in-control-of-north-korea um, lol
2014-10-03T15:48:35 < Steffanx> you are in control now?
2014-10-03T15:51:22 < Laurenceb> lol vice news
2014-10-03T15:53:01 < karlp> why lol?
2014-10-03T15:53:16 < karlp> they're doing a fair bit of long form investigative journalism
2014-10-03T15:59:14 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-10-03T15:59:21 < Laurenceb> i thought it was a trollish site
2014-10-03T16:11:45 < dongs> well theres a bunch of other plcaes wiht similar news
2014-10-03T16:11:48 < dongs> dating back to like may
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2014-10-03T16:25:14 < qyx_> dongs: i wrote something similar, tree-structured cli
2014-10-03T16:25:23 < qyx_> like interface ethernet address print
2014-10-03T16:25:30 < qyx_> interface ethernet address set blah blah
2014-10-03T16:25:33 < dongs> nice
2014-10-03T16:25:43 < qyx_> but not done properly yet
2014-10-03T16:25:48 < dongs> wlel, i dont really need hierarchy but like,,, just some readline stuff would be nice
2014-10-03T16:25:58 < dongs> # i2c r 0x34 0x1e 2
2014-10-03T16:25:58 < dongs> R: 08 98
2014-10-03T16:26:02 < dongs> i keep doing shit like this
2014-10-03T16:26:10 < dongs> but i wanna read another reg or wahtever i gotta copypaste/type that shit up agian
2014-10-03T16:26:14 < dongs> heh
2014-10-03T16:26:30 < dongs> hm time to give up on adv driver for a bit and write one for the dac
2014-10-03T16:26:36 < dongs> i see audio on HDMI I2S lines ! :D
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2014-10-03T16:38:49 < qyx_> it has command line editing, autocompletion and stuff, although no history yet
2014-10-03T16:39:02 < dongs> CS4322: Detected rev B1
2014-10-03T16:39:04 < dongs> nice
2014-10-03T16:39:10 < dongs> latest!
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2014-10-03T16:51:32 < dongs> haha, i have audio
2014-10-03T16:51:57 < dongs> that was easier than I thought
2014-10-03T16:52:00 < dongs> its quiet as shit tho
2014-10-03T16:52:01 < dongs> hmm
2014-10-03T16:52:49 < Laurenceb> http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/10/03/bbcd.png
2014-10-03T16:52:52 < englishman> <R2COM> +, that Atmel Studio, its just great <-- truth
2014-10-03T16:52:52 < Laurenceb> dat trollin
2014-10-03T16:54:27 < englishman> vice is awful shock "journalism" to sell youtube clicks
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2014-10-03T16:55:41 < dongs> wow
2014-10-03T16:55:42 < dongs> this  thing is loud
2014-10-03T16:55:56 < dongs> i set codec volume to 250
2014-10-03T16:55:58 < dongs> my fucking ears
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2014-10-03T16:57:26 < Laurenceb> happy hardcore i presume?
2014-10-03T16:58:29 < dongs> of course
2014-10-03T16:58:39 < dongs> actually di.fm/goapsy right now on the laptop w/hdmi out
2014-10-03T16:58:50 < dongs> needed something that played nonstop
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2014-10-03T17:00:45 < Laurenceb> haha di.fm
2014-10-03T17:00:55 < Laurenceb> i used to listen to that when i was a student
2014-10-03T17:01:42 < Steffanx> Around you still a phd student or .. ?
2014-10-03T17:01:48 < Steffanx> *aren't
2014-10-03T17:01:51 < Steffanx> lol
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2014-10-03T18:23:19 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVKCVMWy114 wat
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2014-10-03T18:25:47 < Steffanx> yes.
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2014-10-03T18:28:00 < hjf> if i set up a pin as open drain, and use an external pullup, when I set it as output, what's the output? if i "set" the output register, does the open drain pull low? (that is, inverted logic)?
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2014-10-03T18:48:41 < qyx_> why should it? if you set it to 1, it becomes high-z, if you set it to 0, it is driven low
2014-10-03T18:48:59 < qyx_> *it be
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2014-10-03T18:57:32 < dongs> ur an open drain
2014-10-03T18:58:45 < dongs> bedtime
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2014-10-03T19:02:37 < DanteA> Only 20.00 is there
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2014-10-03T19:14:00 < dongs> http://blog.circuitmaker.com/#Blogs/circuitmaker-community-09-30-14
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2014-10-03T19:22:23 < Steffanx> sounds like a fair deal to me..
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2014-10-03T19:47:05 < Laurenceb> attn dongs
2014-10-03T19:47:16 < Laurenceb> does afro esc have braking?
2014-10-03T19:47:31 < Laurenceb> if i send it zero throttle does it just turn off?
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2014-10-03T20:32:50 < englishman> CircuitMaker project files will be stored on our servers. These are big industrial strength name brand cloud service providers, not a machine under my desk.
2014-10-03T20:33:04 < englishman> so when altidongs kills the program, no more circuitz
2014-10-03T20:33:35 < englishman> geocities of schematic and pcb design
2014-10-03T20:38:09 < Steffanx> someone will come with an open sores alternative.
2014-10-03T20:38:58 < englishman> liek kicad
2014-10-03T20:39:22 < Steffanx> like kicad, that one also don't work properly on os x here :P
2014-10-03T20:39:34 < englishman> hehe
2014-10-03T20:41:18 < Laurenceb> kicad is the geocities of pcb
2014-10-03T20:41:28 < Laurenceb> a ton of disorganise dmess
2014-10-03T20:42:21 < Steffanx> i think it's not THAT bad anymore nowadays
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2014-10-03T20:53:32 < qyx_> lets make EE social network!
2014-10-03T20:53:58 < qyx_> * Steffanx has shared STM32F925 footprint (LQFP144)
2014-10-03T20:54:28 < qyx_> Search footprints of your friends: [              ]
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2014-10-03T21:03:18 < englishman> shit push commit "you forgot decoupling caps dumbass"
2014-10-03T21:04:11 < englishman> dongs liked this silk layer part "dickbutt_highres"
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2014-10-03T22:13:39 < kakeman> hi guys!
2014-10-03T22:13:58 < kakeman> watsup?
2014-10-03T22:26:29 < Steffanx> Tha sky, brah.
2014-10-03T22:28:24 < kakeman> what sky?
2014-10-03T22:34:07 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-03T22:34:25 < zyp> assembling a board with dried up solder paste is probably not the best idea
2014-10-03T22:34:39 < zyp> I might just have wasted a set of parts :p
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2014-10-03T22:57:37 < Steffanx> finland has no sky anymore nowadays kakeman?
2014-10-03T22:59:20 < Steffanx> it doesn't melt properly or .. what zyp?
2014-10-03T23:00:31 < zyp> sure it does, it just doesn't stick properly to the pads and parts
2014-10-03T23:00:56 < zyp> and first attempt a third of the bga pads got the paste stuck in the stencil instead of on the pcb
2014-10-03T23:02:07 < Steffanx> heh, it doesn't sound very "zyp-ish" to use old stuff :P
2014-10-03T23:02:45 < zyp> I suddenly decided I wanted to assemble this shit tonight, before I realized I don't have fresh paste
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2014-10-03T23:39:44 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/48xnA.JPG
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2014-10-04T01:06:38 < _unreal_> zyp, you can always heat the solder paste a little, that will give a little more normal working characteristics when applying
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2014-10-04T01:21:18 < karlp> zyp: what's that board for again? I seem to recall seeing layout screencaps of that earlier at least
2014-10-04T01:23:13 < zyp> adding IDE to STM32 ;)
2014-10-04T01:23:24  * emeb senses FPGA
2014-10-04T01:23:45 < zyp> emeb, yep, it's a spartan 3a
2014-10-04T01:23:53 < emeb> zyp: kewl
2014-10-04T01:24:23 < emeb> got the guts of the FPGA designed yet?
2014-10-04T01:24:30 < zyp> not at all
2014-10-04T01:24:34 < karlp> IDE meaning what in this case? intelligent digital enigmas?
2014-10-04T01:24:40 < zyp> PATA
2014-10-04T01:24:48 < emeb> so 20th-century
2014-10-04T01:24:52 < zyp> yep
2014-10-04T01:25:15 < emeb> next up - floppy drives
2014-10-04T01:25:34 < zyp> chip shows up on jtag scan, so I didn't fuck up the bga too bad, at least
2014-10-04T01:25:47 < emeb> that's always my 1st test
2014-10-04T01:26:03 < zyp> it's my second, first was measuring that all voltages were fine
2014-10-04T01:26:17 < emeb> :) - of course
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2014-10-04T01:26:35 < karlp> meh, measuring voltages is only if it doesn't show up in jtag :)
2014-10-04T01:27:06 < zyp> I want to catch shorts before the regulators have too much time to heat up :p
2014-10-04T01:27:06 < emeb> on a new board I always build the supply ckt 1st - before putting down the expensive parts
2014-10-04T01:27:49 < zyp> good luck getting a bga onto a board with other parts already assembled :)
2014-10-04T01:28:00 < emeb> there's that
2014-10-04T01:28:17 < emeb> stencils & bga/qfn are not part of my normal flow
2014-10-04T01:28:20 < zyp> well, actually, this is the first time I've done double sided assembly at home
2014-10-04T01:28:29 < zyp> which went without problems at all
2014-10-04T01:28:37 < emeb> nice
2014-10-04T01:28:42 < zyp> I just reflowed bottom first, then assembled top
2014-10-04T01:29:13 < _unreal_> oooooo I likey https://github.com/SickSad/DeltaRobot
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2014-10-04T01:29:26 < _unreal_> stm32f4 delta for builder bot
2014-10-04T01:30:12 < amstan> _unreal_: that sounds like my project: https://github.com/amstan/tr2
2014-10-04T01:30:31 < amstan> _unreal_: pictures too: http://hypertriangle.com/~alex/upload/robot%20pics/
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2014-10-04T01:31:12 < zyp> amstan, the 90s called, they want their webdesign back
2014-10-04T01:31:27 < karlp> ooh, harsh
2014-10-04T01:31:36 < amstan> zyp: really?
2014-10-04T01:31:40 < karlp> that's at least the 2000s
2014-10-04T01:32:04 < amstan> karlp: it was made in 2010
2014-10-04T01:32:07 < zyp> you should throw up a modem warning on those 7MB jpgs as well :)
2014-10-04T01:35:03 < Steffanx> At least it's done properly.. no (i)framing.
2014-10-04T01:35:34 < englishman> zyp: cool
2014-10-04T01:35:45 < amstan> i feel ashamed
2014-10-04T01:35:51 < amstan> now i really need to do a redesign
2014-10-04T01:36:11 < Steffanx> go emeb-style amstan: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/hfrx/index.html ::)
2014-10-04T01:36:21 < zyp> amstan, well, at least you should put the pictures somewhere where it's possible to browse them easily
2014-10-04T01:36:40 < amstan> Steffanx: what is that?
2014-10-04T01:37:13 < amstan> zyp: for me, putting the pictures there required a simple cp from my computer
2014-10-04T01:37:16 < Steffanx> it's his nice projects website.
2014-10-04T01:37:24 < amstan> zyp: you have to blame my lazyness
2014-10-04T01:37:34 < amstan> Steffanx: it's html1
2014-10-04T01:38:12 < amstan> nvm, html4, but there's a picture to prove in in the footer
2014-10-04T01:41:20 < emeb> Steffanx: heh. Minimalist hand-edited HTML FTW.
2014-10-04T01:41:32 < karlp> no, text files post processed with perl scripts
2014-10-04T01:41:45 < emeb> also - always resize pix to 640x480. no hires for you!
2014-10-04T01:41:46 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/make_album
2014-10-04T01:42:36 < karlp> also, yay, it's snowing
2014-10-04T01:43:03 < karlp> wouldn't mind a bit of sun again, september was 22/30 days of rain, which is well fucked up
2014-10-04T01:43:09 < emeb> fun times in iceland
2014-10-04T01:43:36 < karlp> yeah, we're doing our best to match european total so2 production while we're at it, so far so good.
2014-10-04T01:43:54 < karlp> did you rc dudes see the dji video of them melting their gopro flying too close to the volcano?
2014-10-04T01:44:09 < emeb> sounds epic
2014-10-04T01:44:26 < karlp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L6Phuwqi7Y
2014-10-04T01:45:39 < emeb> it's possible to drive 12 + 3 hours in Iceland w/o dropping into the ocean?
2014-10-04T01:46:16 < karlp> if you drive in circles, and slowly on dirt roads, sure.
2014-10-04T01:46:24 < emeb> :)
2014-10-04T01:46:32 < karlp> speed limit is only 90kph too,
2014-10-04T01:46:47 < karlp> the ring road is only one lane each way for the vast majority of it
2014-10-04T01:47:07 < Laurenceb__> heh ring road
2014-10-04T01:47:20 < karlp> ring road is only ~1300km around
2014-10-04T01:47:27 < emeb> Laurenceb__ didn't just go there - he lives there.
2014-10-04T01:48:48 < karlp> not really sure how the dji guys calculated 12 hours though, that's still pretty special time counting, or sightseeing on the way,
2014-10-04T01:50:15 < emeb> looks like bardarbunga is pretty close to the center, so the ring rd won't get you too far...
2014-10-04T01:50:42 < karlp> gets you to where theyv'e clsoed it :)
2014-10-04T01:50:48 < emeb> :)
2014-10-04T01:51:19 < karlp> the gas is being a bit of a bitch for tourism unfortunately.
2014-10-04T01:53:35 < emeb> volcano gas or gasoline prices?
2014-10-04T01:55:05 < karlp> volcano gas,
2014-10-04T01:55:09 < karlp> that's the only reason it's closed
2014-10-04T01:55:10 < gnomad> emeb: the vast majority of Iceland is 4x4 terrain.  Depending on where you are, you can drive for 12 hours and not get very far.
2014-10-04T01:55:31 < karlp> well, if you wanna go like that, the vast majority is very simply not vehicle terrain at all
2014-10-04T01:56:03 < gnomad> As to quadcopter flight times, I recall 12 hour flights about a year ago.
2014-10-04T01:56:46 < karlp> teh 12 hour time was talking about the time it took to drive out there...
2014-10-04T01:56:52 < gnomad> it just gets real expensive to lug that much battery time
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2014-10-04T02:01:11 < qyx_> 2hrs is beyond the possibilities of state-of-the-art nowadays li-po batteries
2014-10-04T02:01:44 < qyx_> even if you would generate electricity onboard from other sources
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2014-10-04T02:09:51 < gnomad> The claim was made by an industrial supplier.  I had troubles believing it as well.
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2014-10-04T02:14:45 < englishman> qyx_: 2hrs is possible but not for anything practical
2014-10-04T02:15:07 < englishman> i mean really tiny balsa stuff with zero accessories certainly not a camera
2014-10-04T02:15:31 < englishman> maybe it'd be possibble with really huge super efficient stuff
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2014-10-04T02:16:51 < englishman> karlp are you in iceland
2014-10-04T02:17:06 < englishman> it's my next destination after seeing it while bounding thru keflavik :)
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2014-10-04T02:25:16 < karlp> englishman: yeah, livin the dream
2014-10-04T02:25:52 < Laurenceb__> you joined islamic state?
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2014-10-04T02:32:45 < karlp> nah man, we had .is before they decided they wanted it.
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2014-10-04T02:45:28 < englishman> islandic state
2014-10-04T02:55:40 < __rob2> hello
2014-10-04T02:56:00 < __rob2> my program runs for a bit, then it seems to stop at this madness
2014-10-04T02:56:02 < __rob2> 08015AEE	str	r3, [r7, #8]
2014-10-04T02:56:02 < __rob2> 08015AF0	b.n	0x8015aea <inettask_run+986>
2014-10-04T02:56:11 < __rob2> cant figure out how thats happened
2014-10-04T02:56:18 < __rob2> jumping back to the instruction above
2014-10-04T02:58:44 < __rob2> next time I run, the code is different, so something is overwriting it
2014-10-04T02:58:52 < __rob2> on an m4 is there any way to catch this ?
2014-10-04T02:59:02 < __rob2> I dont get a hard fault..
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2014-10-04T03:10:43 < dongs> Laurenceb: it could have, if you enable it
2014-10-04T03:20:47 < dongs> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/32778.html top class trolling
2014-10-04T03:20:53 < dongs> If the backlight on your laptop with an Intel GPU doesn't work, the number of fucks I'll be giving will fail to register on even the most sensitive measuring device.
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2014-10-04T03:45:50 < englishman> Gamergate (sometimes referred to as GamerGate or as a Twitter hashtag #gamergate)
2014-10-04T03:45:57 < englishman> i dont know whats going on and i think i dont want to care
2014-10-04T03:46:45 < englishman> but it has something to do with this guy? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Zoe_Quinn_-_GDC_2014.jpg
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2014-10-04T03:51:36 < dongs> i think so
2014-10-04T03:52:04 < dongs> twitter drama
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2014-10-04T06:21:35 < dongs> busy innovating
2014-10-04T06:23:14 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161335155016 this shit finally arrived
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2014-10-04T06:28:21 < emeb_mac> works?
2014-10-04T06:29:17 < upgrdman> reading amazon reviews on some batteries for the canon t3i slr... so obvious how little people know about electronics
2014-10-04T06:29:29 < upgrdman> "these high ampacity batteries..."
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2014-10-04T07:01:27 < emeb_mac> will the real R2COM please stand up
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2014-10-04T07:25:52 < upgrdman> made a bigger coil for my induction heater :)  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revC.jpg
2014-10-04T07:32:25 < upgrdman> R2COM: first test of new coil:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeVfTezbJGs
2014-10-04T07:32:55 < upgrdman> so far i have not push it far enough to turn my screwdriver white. but it glows orange.
2014-10-04T07:33:46 < upgrdman> not bad for four FETs, two diodes, some resistors, a capacitor and a coil of copper tubing
2014-10-04T07:33:58 < upgrdman> nothing really. just for fun.
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2014-10-04T11:54:45 < Cyric> http://thehackernews.com/2014/10/download-Windows-10-keylogger.html
2014-10-04T11:55:05 < Cyric> windows 10 comes with a nice keylogger by default :)
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2014-10-04T16:15:27 < Fleck> upgrdman: and then what? What do you do with it?
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2014-10-04T18:16:43 < hjf> anyone have an example of how to receive data with lwip? specifically how to initialize netbuf and do netconn_recv
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2014-10-04T19:06:18 < qyx_> hjf: you can use classic socket api instead
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2014-10-04T20:53:11 < upgrdman> Fleck: its purely for fun. i suppose i might consider trying to case harden metals at some point in the future, but this project has no real purpose right now.
2014-10-04T20:53:34 < Fleck> ohh, I see, nice! :)
2014-10-04T20:55:55 < upgrdman> i also just managed to burn my first MLCC capacitor.
2014-10-04T20:56:01 < upgrdman> took some photos, uploading.
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2014-10-04T21:01:44 < upgrdman> burned MLCC looks neat. and the circuit even continued to work. just a small puff of smoke was released.  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/burned_mlcc_capacitor_taiyo_yuden_UMK325C7106MM-T_50V_10uF.jpg
2014-10-04T21:02:40 < gxti> interesting construction
2014-10-04T21:04:40 < upgrdman> my circuit? ya... ghetto. needed to add leads to the SMD caps, hence the fugly copper tubes soldered to them.
2014-10-04T21:05:07 < upgrdman> it's the back view of this:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revC.jpg
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2014-10-04T21:28:05 < __rob> anyone with lwip experience can shed some light on why after about 20 seconds of hammering send recive, it suddenly slows to a crawl
2014-10-04T21:29:00 < __rob> http://codepad.org/dDeoavbg
2014-10-04T21:29:03 < __rob> thats the TCP debug loggin
2014-10-04T21:29:19 < __rob> you can see after line 1050 'something' happens
2014-10-04T21:29:30 < __rob> buffer full or the like
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2014-10-04T23:22:29 < gxti> is there some trick to using pll with hsi on f107, vs with hse? i've had hse pll working for quite some time, but for some reason when i use RCC_CFGR_PLLSRC_HSI_Div2 the pll never starts
2014-10-04T23:23:25 < jpa-> is it the same frequency?
2014-10-04T23:23:36 < jpa-> and is it within the limits specified in datasheet?
2014-10-04T23:23:50 < jpa-> IIRC HSI has larger jitter and therefore can't go as fast with PLL
2014-10-04T23:24:38 < gxti> doesn't matter how slow i go
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2014-10-04T23:25:03 < gxti> but unless i'm missing something, 36mhz is the fastest possible
2014-10-04T23:28:22 < jpa-> the pll also has a minimum freq
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2014-10-04T23:31:07 < GargantuaSauce> it bothers me that they call it a 'clock tree' even when it is not topologically a tree
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2014-10-04T23:32:45 < Steffanx> lol
2014-10-04T23:32:48 < jpa-> GargantuaSauce: it's not?
2014-10-04T23:33:04 < zyp> sure it is
2014-10-04T23:34:02 < zyp> you have a bunch of selectable roots; HSI, HSE, PLL, etc… that makes up a core clock, that then branches out to bus clocks and further to peripheral clocks
2014-10-04T23:34:35 < zyp> if that's not a tree topology then I don't know what is
2014-10-04T23:34:49 < GargantuaSauce> well yes if you ignore the demuxers any given configuration of it is a tree i guess
2014-10-04T23:35:23 < gxti> http://pastebin.com/CvksqUz9
2014-10-04T23:35:26 < zyp> it's a tree with both roots and branches
2014-10-04T23:35:33 < gxti> non-working and working code
2014-10-04T23:36:05 < GargantuaSauce> --<==>--- not a tree
2014-10-04T23:36:32 < gxti> it's the superposition of all possible clock trees, GargantuaSauce  :p
2014-10-04T23:36:57 < jpa-> GargantuaSauce: you can make e.g. an appletree grow like that
2014-10-04T23:37:25 < GargantuaSauce> i don't think we're talking about vegetation
2014-10-04T23:38:08 < GargantuaSauce> 'clock acyclic digraph' doesn't sound as nice though
2014-10-04T23:38:48 < GargantuaSauce> actually come to think of it if you consider the pll it's cyclic
2014-10-04T23:39:06 < jpa-> if you consider it directed, it is not cyclic
2014-10-04T23:39:30 < GargantuaSauce> plL
2014-10-04T23:40:21 < jpa-> well the clock that loops into the comparator in PLL never comes back out of the comparator.. kind of
2014-10-04T23:40:55 < jpa-> would you also consider a crystal oscillator as a loop then?
2014-10-04T23:41:12 < qyx_> and all voltage regulators too
2014-10-04T23:41:32 < qyx_> it would not be power supply tree anymore
2014-10-04T23:42:09 < jpa-> and if you consider how apples fall to ground and rot, all apple trees would be loops also
2014-10-04T23:42:23 < jpa-> i don't want to eat fruit from an apple acyclic digraph
2014-10-04T23:42:26 < gxti> all this semantic circlejerking is distracting me from debugging actual problems :|
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2014-10-04T23:42:36 < zyp> if you have a loop in the woods where noone could hear it, would it still be a loop?
2014-10-04T23:43:13 < GargantuaSauce> if it's any consolation gxti this semantic circlejerking stemmed from me looking at the f107's clock acyclic digraph in an attempt to follow along the debugging
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2014-10-04T23:50:52 < Laurenceb__> im trying to detect ADC saturation on an F103
2014-10-04T23:51:12 < Laurenceb__> the problem is that its going to occur normally, but only some of the time
2014-10-04T23:51:27 < Laurenceb__> can anyone think of a nice way to detect excessive saturation?
2014-10-04T23:51:38 < zyp> what.
2014-10-04T23:51:47 < Laurenceb__> i was thinking of using the watchdog interrupt, but its going to have quite a lot of overhead
2014-10-04T23:52:09 < Laurenceb__> as the adc is at 857ksps
2014-10-04T23:52:23 < zyp> uh
2014-10-04T23:52:24 < qyx_> adc watchdog?
2014-10-04T23:52:30 < Laurenceb__> yeah...
2014-10-04T23:52:44 < Laurenceb__> can i use it to do anything other that trigger an interrupt?
2014-10-04T23:52:45 < qyx_> you could do a histogram of output data
2014-10-04T23:52:49 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-10-04T23:52:59 < qyx_> i assume you can poll it also
2014-10-04T23:53:03 < Laurenceb__> i guess i could check a flag without having isr
2014-10-04T23:53:04 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2014-10-04T23:53:14 < Laurenceb__> as i have a DMA interrupt running already
2014-10-04T23:53:26 < qyx_> if you don't need exact results, some statistical approximation would be enogh
2014-10-04T23:54:28 < Laurenceb__> if there any way to trigger DMA based off the watchdog?
2014-10-04T23:55:04 < zyp> why can't you simply detect adc max value as saturated adc?
2014-10-04T23:55:18 < qyx_> too much data probably
2014-10-04T23:55:33 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2014-10-04T23:55:55 < Laurenceb__> processor is up to the limit at the moment
2014-10-04T23:56:13 < zyp> say, what are you even detecting saturation for?
2014-10-04T23:56:29 < Laurenceb__> its a photodiode front end
2014-10-04T23:56:34 < Laurenceb__> for a spectrometer
2014-10-04T23:56:59 < Laurenceb__> i adjust exposure up to the highest possible
2014-10-04T23:57:12 < zyp> i.e. some sort of AGC?
2014-10-04T23:57:18 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2014-10-04T23:57:52 < zyp> can't you just pick samples at a lower rate?
2014-10-04T23:57:56 < Laurenceb__> i guess i could run a timer triggered DMA transaction from the watchdog status register?
2014-10-04T23:57:58 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-10-04T23:58:05 < Laurenceb__> i might miss the saturated ones
2014-10-04T23:58:16 < Laurenceb__> tho i guess statistically it may work
2014-10-04T23:58:48 < qyx_> do you also need to detect low/high saturation?
2014-10-04T23:58:55 < qyx_> or just "out of normaln bounds"?
2014-10-04T23:59:02 < Laurenceb__> only high saturation is a problem
2014-10-04T23:59:09 < jpa-> shouldn't detecting saturated values be quite fast if you do it just in loop when you process the data?
2014-10-04T23:59:13 < Laurenceb__> as it can occur due to ambient light leaking in
2014-10-04T23:59:22 < zyp> jpa-, it should
2014-10-04T23:59:40 < Laurenceb__> low saturation and excessive lamp level is easily detected from the demodulated light
2014-10-04T23:59:43 < Laurenceb__> as it uses lock in
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2014-10-05T00:00:03 < Laurenceb__> but sometimes ambient leaks in
2014-10-05T00:00:14 < qyx_> kill the sun
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2014-10-05T00:02:09 < jpa-> put a timer CNT to 4095, timer not running, DMA the ADC data to CCR1 and have it trigger interrupt in PWM1 mode?
2014-10-05T00:02:24 < zyp> haha
2014-10-05T00:03:02 < Laurenceb__> lol, clever
2014-10-05T00:03:15 < qyx_> wpuld peripheral to peripheral work?
2014-10-05T00:03:19 < zyp> no
2014-10-05T00:03:29 < jpa-> why not?
2014-10-05T00:03:39 < jpa-> though
2014-10-05T00:03:42 < zyp> DMA peripherals don't have access to the APBs through the matrix
2014-10-05T00:03:54 < qyx_> you had to use p->m and then m->p
2014-10-05T00:03:56 < zyp> so the M port can't access peripherals
2014-10-05T00:03:59 < qyx_> with some buffering between
2014-10-05T00:04:10 < zyp> yeah, that would work
2014-10-05T00:04:18 < zyp> scanning the data that's already in buffers
2014-10-05T00:04:25 < jpa-> just have the m->p start one memory address behind the other
2014-10-05T00:04:56 < zyp> can you trigger two dma channels off the same dma request?
2014-10-05T00:04:59 < Laurenceb__> actually i may have used all the timers...
2014-10-05T00:05:14 < jpa-> zyp: not sure
2014-10-05T00:06:01 < Laurenceb__> time to read me code
2014-10-05T00:06:29 < jpa-> but why doesn't analog watchdog work? i didn't really understand the part about it being too heavy
2014-10-05T00:07:23 < qyx_> at ~800ksps it would trigger too often
2014-10-05T00:07:35 < Laurenceb__> its going to trigger at ~10khz in normal operation
2014-10-05T00:07:37 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2014-10-05T00:07:42 < jpa-> but wouldn't it only trigger when it crosses the limit?
2014-10-05T00:08:10 < Laurenceb__> yes, but i want it to saturate, as the light level is spikey
2014-10-05T00:08:28 < Laurenceb__> so a percent of so saturation gives the best data (after demodulation and filtering)
2014-10-05T00:08:33 < jpa-> ah
2014-10-05T00:08:53 < jpa-> so you would need two timers, with the first one triggering a second one ;)
2014-10-05T00:09:27 < zyp> so what you really want is to count the percentage of saturated samples
2014-10-05T00:10:36 < zyp> so why not just do if(sample > 999) { num_saturated++; } when you process the samples?
2014-10-05T00:11:03 < Laurenceb__> thats going to be running at 857khz
2014-10-05T00:11:24 < zyp> sure, it's not like that takes many instructions
2014-10-05T00:11:29 < qyx_> ok, alternative approach: comparator, lowpass filter and adc?
2014-10-05T00:11:42 < qyx_> :X
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2014-10-05T00:12:15 < Laurenceb__> heh
2014-10-05T00:12:22 < jpa-> or take a few samples here and there from the output data and calculate percentage from just those?
2014-10-05T00:12:23 < Laurenceb__> cant change the hardware, its a CE device
2014-10-05T00:12:40 < Laurenceb__> yeah that might just work with a statistical model of the noise
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2014-10-05T00:13:30 < Laurenceb__> atm I do that using the demodulated signal level, and it works ok accept with some sorts of CFL in the room
2014-10-05T00:14:34 < Laurenceb__> looks like i could use timer1 to do ... something
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2014-10-05T00:15:34 < qyx_> you are overthinking it, just do it and think later
2014-10-05T00:15:54 < jpa-> Laurenceb__: are you really that short on cpu time?
2014-10-05T00:17:59 < Laurenceb__> jpa-: I dunno
2014-10-05T00:18:06 < jpa-> measure, silly
2014-10-05T00:18:10 < Laurenceb__> lol yeah i should try and find out
2014-10-05T00:18:17 < jpa-> openocd profile
2014-10-05T00:18:35 < Laurenceb__> i was very short then i realised some n00b had added busy wait in the NI-VISA code
2014-10-05T00:18:42 < Laurenceb__> fixed that and no more issues so far
2014-10-05T00:18:49 < Laurenceb__> so ill run some benchmarks
2014-10-05T00:23:38 < Laurenceb__> hmm
2014-10-05T00:23:49 < Laurenceb__> yeah analogue watchdog uses max 0.5% cpu
2014-10-05T00:23:57 < Laurenceb__> and its running at 82% max
2014-10-05T00:23:58 < Laurenceb__> lolz
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2014-10-05T00:27:32 < gxti> really odd shit. i set mco to pll/2 and measured 1.7mhz, 1/10th the frequency i should see.
2014-10-05T00:27:50 < gxti> then i tried switching sysclk to HSE before doing anything, and it started working
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2014-10-05T00:28:24 < gxti> i.e. switch sysclk to hse, start pll on hsi, switch sysclk to pll
2014-10-05T00:29:13 < gxti> kind of useless to not be able to use pll with hsi unless you have an external crystal to use temporarily
2014-10-05T00:29:43 < qyx_> wut, hsi is working without external xtal
2014-10-05T00:30:08 < qyx_> at least in chibidongs
2014-10-05T00:30:22 < gxti> hsi+pll or just default hsi?
2014-10-05T00:30:51 < qyx_> with pll
2014-10-05T00:31:01 < gxti> then i'm obviously doing something wrong but i have no idea what
2014-10-05T00:31:04 < qyx_> tried some time ago on f105 or whatever it was
2014-10-05T00:31:10 < gxti> but i don't really care, this is just for a bootloader and i've wasted enough time already
2014-10-05T00:31:27 < qyx_> also i run f401 with hsi and pll to 80MHz
2014-10-05T00:31:30 < qyx_> 84
2014-10-05T00:32:45 < gxti> it's super slow on f1 anyway
2014-10-05T00:33:02 < qyx_> what, flashing?
2014-10-05T00:35:24 < gxti> er wait, i should be able to get sysclk 36mhz right? i was measuring 18mhz. this is still smelly.
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2014-10-05T00:38:00 < GargantuaSauce> which mco source are you using? pll is halved
2014-10-05T00:40:55 < GargantuaSauce> oh you already acknowledged that durr
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2014-10-05T00:50:49 < gxti> never mind it's 36. i'm having some strange issue with flash now that doesn't seem to be related.
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2014-10-05T00:51:51 < gxti> the very last bytes of my bootloader, which happen to be a null-terminated string constant, are reading back incorrectly
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2014-10-05T01:28:07 < bezoka> Hello
2014-10-05T01:28:34 < bezoka> Whats different betwen avr and stm32?
2014-10-05T01:29:28 < zyp> such bits
2014-10-05T01:29:45 < zyp> much performance
2014-10-05T01:29:46 < zyp> wow
2014-10-05T01:30:09 < gxti> alignment problem. if the program text didn't end on a word boundary then the last partial word got dropped. i was very lucky to run into that now :p
2014-10-05T01:30:37 < qyx_> wtf
2014-10-05T01:30:48 < qyx_> gxti: i had exactly the same problem
2014-10-05T01:31:30 < qyx_> or probably.. all initialized globals were not loaded correctly because of that
2014-10-05T01:31:38 < gxti> when the main application went to read the string constant that holds the bootloader version it faulted because the null termination was missing
2014-10-05T01:31:41 < gxti> good fun
2014-10-05T01:31:56 < gxti> (the bootloader is placed at the end of flash)
2014-10-05T01:32:53 < qyx_> what linker scripts are you using? aren't they based on some chibios stuff?
2014-10-05T01:33:01 < gxti> distantly
2014-10-05T01:33:28 < qyx_> and was was the fix?
2014-10-05T01:33:30 < qyx_> *what
2014-10-05T01:34:13 < gxti> ah right, i remember having chibios problems with data. that was just a plain old alignment problem IIRC.
2014-10-05T01:35:10 < gxti> fix for this is to add an ". = ALIGN(4);" to the end of the last section that gets put in flash
2014-10-05T01:35:20 < gxti> to force it to add enough fill to make it a complete word
2014-10-05T01:35:52 < gxti> looks like the original chibios script does not have this problem
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2014-10-05T01:36:51 < qyx_> they introduced some alignment issues in 2.6.5
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2014-10-05T01:54:43 < __rob> seriously scratching my head as to waht might be causing this.. http://codepad.org/5kHBnAM5 .. this is the debug log of lwip MEM_STATS_DISPLAY(); and TCP_STATS_DISPLAY(); at 2.5 second intervals. as soon as I start my python client end, it just transmits 4 bytes, recives 2 bytes as fast as possible. On that log, for the first few seconds, xmit: 1, xmit: 2339, xmit: 5537, xmit: 8624 then
2014-10-05T01:54:43 < __rob> suddenly... xmit: 8634 .. xmit: 8637. dropped from 2000ish messages per interval, to 3 ... what could cause this ..
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2014-10-05T02:03:18 < qyx_> hm, how do you do "default defines"?
2014-10-05T02:03:31 < qyx_> #if !defined
2014-10-05T02:03:35 < qyx_> #define ?
2014-10-05T02:04:00 < gxti> yes (well, #ifndef)
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2014-10-05T02:49:40 < dongs> Many professionals claim that even though there are no audible artifacts of jitter, a less that perfectly stable clock can cause degradations in clarity and on the width of the sound field.
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2014-10-05T02:49:58 < dongs> https://www.google.com/search?q=studio+master+clock guise, there's a market obviously
2014-10-05T02:51:11 < qyx_> yours hdmi-i2s-sound thing will never have perfectly clear sound
2014-10-05T02:52:45 < englishman> The Dedongulator3000 actually opens a wormhole between the clock source and the signal processor, bypassing spacetime to ensure minimal clock skew, reducing jitter and ensuring the widest soundstage.
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2014-10-05T06:14:01 < dongs> the soundstage is so wide, hello.jpg would be proud
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2014-10-05T06:44:07 < dongs> heh, from displayport spec: "Sea of dummy symbols"
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2014-10-05T07:05:59 < upgrdman> regarding "a square wave is a sine wave with all the odd harmonics" ... it's sin(x) + sin(3x)/3 + sin(5x)/5 + ... but is the /harmonicNumber because of physics, or just a neat coincidence?
2014-10-05T07:10:06 < upgrdman> i mean, is the Nth harmonic of any fundamental always 1/N in power?
2014-10-05T07:12:01 < englishman> for this particular wave
2014-10-05T07:12:25 < englishman> because of monsueir fourier, you should know that any wave can be represented as a sum of frequencies
2014-10-05T07:12:43 < englishman> the square wave simply has this property
2014-10-05T07:12:48 < englishman> compare to triangle wave
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2014-10-05T08:15:47 < gnomad> upgrdman: `http://33.media.tumblr.com/dc2b4d5c066cbd9f6022d8427fe58d8c/tumblr_mhlswzuNIY1qfg7o3o1_r1_400.gif
2014-10-05T08:42:46 < upgrdman> nice
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2014-10-05T08:57:48 < dongs> very dongs
2014-10-05T09:13:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QbU0rRh.jpg
2014-10-05T09:14:24 < englishman> quanton clones?
2014-10-05T09:14:55 < dongs> i innovate, not clone
2014-10-05T09:15:04 < englishman> you mean, stu innovates
2014-10-05T09:15:18 < dongs> right
2014-10-05T09:19:15 < ReadError> them LEDs so close to the holes
2014-10-05T09:21:23 < dongs> my stack of scrwes and standoffs disagrees: http://i.imgur.com/uNMtX0e.jpg
2014-10-05T09:22:30 < dongs> none of them even come close to outer copper
2014-10-05T09:23:14 < ReadError> doesnt seem like a 6 layer board
2014-10-05T09:27:13 < ReadError> 64pin f103 ?
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2014-10-05T09:51:33 < dongs> mostly trolling
2014-10-05T09:52:24 < dongs> i dont have any
2014-10-05T09:52:26 < dongs> i only make failprojects
2014-10-05T09:54:09 < dongs> ya it is
2014-10-05T09:56:28 < dongs> I bought AMD card few days ago
2014-10-05T09:56:52 < dongs> chttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195132
2014-10-05T09:56:54 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195132
2014-10-05T09:57:21 < dongs> it will do 3 4k displays at 60hz
2014-10-05T09:58:36 < effractur> a nice displayport
2014-10-05T09:58:37 < dongs> haha.
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2014-10-05T09:58:52 < effractur> 4k@60fps
2014-10-05T09:59:05 < dongs> R2COM: you realize 4k@60 needs like 20gb of bandwidth or someshit right
2014-10-05T09:59:31 < effractur> hdmi can only do 40k@30fps
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2014-10-05T10:03:04 < dongs> 3840*3*2160*60
2014-10-05T10:04:35 < dongs> R2COM: i have 3 dell 4ks but theres a new one coming out that will suck less
2014-10-05T10:05:07 < dongs> thats TN panel
2014-10-05T10:05:09 < dongs> all those are shit
2014-10-05T10:05:25 < dongs> as in shitty colors and shitty viewing angle
2014-10-05T10:05:31 < dongs> IPS is what you want
2014-10-05T10:05:37 < qyx_> pff, tn
2014-10-05T10:06:18 < dongs> i have UP2414Q but like i said, thres a new 24" coming out
2014-10-05T10:06:40 < dongs> not when you have 2-3 of htem on a desk
2014-10-05T10:15:48 < dongs> google it negro
2014-10-05T10:15:50 < dongs> panel type
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2014-10-05T12:00:23 < dongs> no
2014-10-05T12:00:27 < dongs> i havent used xbee since like 2005
2014-10-05T12:00:30 < dongs> when it was already dead
2014-10-05T12:05:39 < gnomad> I think it died as a standard, not sure the chips themselves are better/worse than anything else out there.
2014-10-05T12:06:54 < dongs> no idea man, xbee = noone uses it anymore
2014-10-05T12:06:59 < dongs> its too expensive and tehre is better stuff
2014-10-05T12:07:19 < dongs> anythign
2014-10-05T12:07:42 < qyx_> xbee wifi?
2014-10-05T12:07:49 < qyx_> are they wifi?
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2014-10-05T12:08:39 < qyx_> how much are they?
2014-10-05T12:09:06 < gnomad> The thought at the time xbee came out it would become a standard for embedded networking.
2014-10-05T12:09:17 < qyx_> i though they only have zigbee and digimesh modules
2014-10-05T12:09:33 < qyx_> they are weird shaped and ugly
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2014-10-05T12:09:36 < qyx_> and expensive
2014-10-05T12:10:04 < gnomad> If you aren't looking to talk to anyone else, the only thing really bad about xbee is the cost compared to othersolutions available now.
2014-10-05T12:12:19 < qyx_> thats not the standard shape of xbees
2014-10-05T12:13:02 < qyx_> this one doesn't look that bad
2014-10-05T12:13:24 < qyx_> we are all troll, because all wifi are pricey
2014-10-05T12:13:33 < qyx_> i though you are not talking about wifi
2014-10-05T12:14:11 < qyx_> foudn some like $25 in the past, not much cheaper
2014-10-05T12:14:18 < qyx_> with spi
2014-10-05T12:14:34 < qyx_> no links and i don't remember
2014-10-05T12:14:43 < qyx_> hence in the past
2014-10-05T12:15:36 < qyx_> you can possibly use china-made usb dongles or chipsets
2014-10-05T12:15:42 < qyx_> with mcu with usb host
2014-10-05T12:15:51 < qyx_> they can be ~$5
2014-10-05T12:16:02 < qyx_> i do
2014-10-05T12:16:04 < qyx_> without drivers
2014-10-05T12:17:15 < qyx_> chinese shit with retarded system = proprietary shit with proprietary system
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2014-10-05T12:21:50 < dongs> he has better things to do but hes trolling irc?!?!?
2014-10-05T12:22:19 < qyx_> pff, never argue with pro-ee
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2014-10-05T17:24:46 < xata> Hello
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2014-10-05T18:04:28 < gxti> pro EE indeed
2014-10-05T18:07:55 < gxti> maybe time to start playing with c++, i want to see if constexpr can revolutionize my innovation
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2014-10-05T18:19:15 < englishman> super pro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-7J5OaSag
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2014-10-05T18:44:41 < bezoka> hello
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2014-10-05T18:44:58 < bezoka> what's programmer for arm is the best?
2014-10-05T18:45:12 < bezoka> which of programmer*
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2014-10-05T18:48:45 < madist> bezoka: ST ARM or any ARM ?
2014-10-05T18:49:30 < bezoka> one for ST and one for any ARM :D
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2014-10-05T18:51:38 < madist> have you looked at the Discovery boards ?
2014-10-05T18:52:10 < gxti> ok so constexpr is not as sexy as i thought. i really do not want to have to write everything as a ternary spaghetti just to avoid some code generation.
2014-10-05T18:54:33 < jpa-> what are you doing?
2014-10-05T18:56:49 < bezoka> madist: no
2014-10-05T18:57:33 < bezoka> I want migrate from avrs to arms
2014-10-05T18:58:58 < bezoka> why stm32 not atmel or nxp?
2014-10-05T19:00:23 < gxti> jpa-: for example, calculating pll configuration at compile time
2014-10-05T19:00:53 < gxti> just write PLLConf(HSE_FREQ).apply() and have it work out div/mul and final frequency at compile time, and just get code that writes to the register with a constant
2014-10-05T19:01:10 < gxti> well, not quite like that. python has rotted my c++ knowledge.
2014-10-05T19:01:15 < gxti> but you get the idea.
2014-10-05T19:01:32 < Thorn> gxti: https://github.com/hackndev/zinc/blob/c0d92a2/apps/app_blink.rs#L9-L46
2014-10-05T19:02:12 < gxti> i am simultaneously intrigued and disgusted
2014-10-05T19:02:32 < Thorn> why disgusted
2014-10-05T19:02:38 < gxti> the syntax :P
2014-10-05T19:03:01 < Thorn> syntax is just syntax
2014-10-05T19:04:56 < gxti> yeah i wasn't being serious
2014-10-05T19:07:19 < jpa-> gxti: for static configs, the chibios way works quite well
2014-10-05T19:08:00 < bezoka> so which of programmers for stm32 is the best?
2014-10-05T19:08:09 < jpa-> gxti: for dynamic configs, what does it matter that it does a few divides at runtime?
2014-10-05T19:08:18 < Thorn> bezoka: j-link pro, only $999
2014-10-05T19:08:25 < gxti> jpa-: if it's dynamic then obviously it has to
2014-10-05T19:08:26 < jpa-> gxti: it is going to busyloop N clocks for PLL anyway, so why not use the time to calculate the freq
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2014-10-05T19:09:04 < gxti> but for example, i have a main app where it's dynamic because you can switch the clock, and a bootloader where it's static but still depends on the precise hardare it's being compiled for. it would be nice to use the same code for both.
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2014-10-05T19:10:24 < bezoka> Thorn: but more cheaper, for start
2014-10-05T19:10:46 < Thorn> j-link ultra, $799
2014-10-05T19:10:55 < bezoka> ...
2014-10-05T19:11:07 < gxti> bezoka: you said 'best'
2014-10-05T19:11:24 < gxti> with no further qualifiers or context
2014-10-05T19:11:27 < gxti> what did you expect?
2014-10-05T19:11:40 < bezoka> okay, my fault
2014-10-05T19:11:49 < bezoka> which is good, but cheap
2014-10-05T19:11:50 < bezoka> :D
2014-10-05T19:12:21 < gxti> stlink clones are the cheapest if you want something ST-only
2014-10-05T19:12:43 < bezoka> okay, but if I want any ARMS?
2014-10-05T19:13:03 < englishman> wat
2014-10-05T19:13:11 < gxti> then some jtag adapter. i don't know of any good ones. lots of cheap clones there too.
2014-10-05T19:13:43 < englishman> i think if you want a debugger for entire cortex family j-link is the best no?
2014-10-05T19:13:47 < gxti> if you want a starting point, buy one of the stm discovery boards (e.g. stm32f4discovery). they come with builtin stlink.
2014-10-05T19:13:50 < englishman> can probably just get j-link edu?
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2014-10-05T19:14:28 < englishman> i dont know if there is a debugger for every arm in existence
2014-10-05T19:14:32 < englishman> maybe there is
2014-10-05T19:14:44 < bezoka> stm is the best arms?
2014-10-05T19:14:52 < gxti> sure, i guess.
2014-10-05T19:14:56 < englishman> you ask this question in ##stm32
2014-10-05T19:15:04 < gxti> stm32 best arm for great glory of china
2014-10-05T19:15:04 < bezoka> I wonder about ST-only or j-link ;)
2014-10-05T19:15:22 < englishman> for glory of poland!
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2014-10-05T19:16:29 < englishman> bezoka: http://www.tme.eu/en/details/stm32f4discovery/development-kits-others/st-microelectronics/#
2014-10-05T19:16:44 < englishman> or http://www.tme.eu/en/details/stm32vldiscovery/development-kits-others/st-microelectronics/#
2014-10-05T19:17:17 < bezoka> or nucleo?
2014-10-05T19:18:00 < englishman> yeah nucleo is similar
2014-10-05T19:18:20 < Lux> with amaze arduino support
2014-10-05T19:19:24 < bezoka> is hard to learn programming it?
2014-10-05T19:19:36 < englishman> depends
2014-10-05T19:19:49 < bezoka> for example find free compilator
2014-10-05T19:20:05 < englishman> keil is excellent and free for <32k
2014-10-05T19:20:14 < englishman> but im sure you eastern europeans can find a way around that
2014-10-05T19:20:52 < bezoka> and if I want programming it in assembler?
2014-10-05T19:21:02 < gxti> you don't need to.
2014-10-05T19:21:06 < englishman> why would you want to do that to yourself
2014-10-05T19:22:48 < bezoka> I like programming in assembler
2014-10-05T19:24:32 < bezoka> which of m3 or m4 is better for robot?
2014-10-05T19:25:41 < gxti> why not do some research on your own instead of barraging us with open-ended questions
2014-10-05T19:26:22 < bezoka> my network on my phone ending
2014-10-05T19:26:50 < bezoka> network on my phone will end for a moment*
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2014-10-05T19:40:56 < gxti> even if i did succeed at making this constexpr, which so far i haven't, i suspect the code actually generated for it would suck ass compared to the straightforward dynamic one i had
2014-10-05T19:42:15 < gxti> kind of want to keep pursuing for academic reasons, but i also know it's never going to be feasible :p
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2014-10-05T20:05:29 < dongs> fucking poles
2014-10-05T20:14:38 < Laurenceb__> http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/rasrad-arm.jpg?w=580&h=307
2014-10-05T20:14:43 < Laurenceb__> dat smartwatch
2014-10-05T20:15:02 < dongs> is that stonerberrypi
2014-10-05T20:15:12 < dongs> i guess it is
2014-10-05T20:15:15 < dongs> because of the fucking ports
2014-10-05T20:15:18 < dongs> sticking out everywhere
2014-10-05T20:15:53 < englishman> What a hack
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2014-10-05T20:17:51 < dongs> englishman: do you have time
2014-10-05T20:17:56 < dongs> to see if https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/pull/146/files is legit or not
2014-10-05T20:18:02 < dongs> or maybe i should jsut merge it
2014-10-05T20:18:41 < dongs> fuck it, ill add and if it breaks shit can deal with it later.
2014-10-05T20:19:19 < englishman> OK I'll check in 30min
2014-10-05T20:19:47 < englishman> Been following but didn't look at codez
2014-10-05T20:20:32 < dongs> it doesnt seem to be too insane, soits probly ifne
2014-10-05T20:21:54 < dongs> k zzztime
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2014-10-05T20:40:05 < englishman> dongs: it doesnt immediately die
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2014-10-05T21:17:10 < freefox> hi
2014-10-05T21:18:29 < Steffanx> Hello
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2014-10-05T21:38:53 < gxti> ah now i remember, c++14 makes constexpr less painful so you can write normal looking functions. but gcc does not implement it yet.
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2014-10-05T22:20:35 < zyp> constexpr?
2014-10-05T22:20:41 < zyp> I think you mean return type auto
2014-10-05T22:20:50 < zyp> which is unrelated to constexpr
2014-10-05T22:21:16 < gxti> no?
2014-10-05T22:21:51 < zyp> oh, right
2014-10-05T22:22:21 < zyp> well, return type auto is also made less painful
2014-10-05T22:22:33 < gxti> probably
2014-10-05T22:22:42 < zyp> due to the new return type deduction
2014-10-05T22:22:59 < gxti> real-world example of what i want constexpr for: https://github.com/mtharp/laureline-firmware/blob/master/src/init.c
2014-10-05T22:23:37 < gxti> the first half of setup_clocks, before it starts poking registers, could be precalculated if hse_freq is fixed at compile time
2014-10-05T22:24:26 < gxti> not as a speed thing obviously, it's called once at startup, but to save code space
2014-10-05T22:24:35 < zyp> sure, but that's already true
2014-10-05T22:25:33 < zyp> if hse_freq were fixed at compile time, that part would already be folded and optimized out
2014-10-05T22:25:54 < zyp> that's not really something you need constexpr for
2014-10-05T22:26:18 < gxti> in magical unicorn land where the compiler is omniscient, but i don't think i live there
2014-10-05T22:26:29 < gxti> i could be wrong
2014-10-05T22:27:11 < zyp> constant folding is a thing, you just need to write the code to utilize it
2014-10-05T22:30:09 < qyx_> you forgot butterflies, how could you?
2014-10-05T22:30:25 < gxti> i already have butterflies
2014-10-05T22:31:51 < zyp> what a silly amount of include directives that file required to buikld
2014-10-05T22:31:53 < zyp> build
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2014-10-05T22:39:03 < zyp> hmm, doesn't seem like gcc wants to fold the double calculations
2014-10-05T22:39:24 < zyp> why are you doing it with doubles anyway? integer should be fine
2014-10-05T22:40:50 < gxti> because it normally operates at 66.6666MHz and the error between that and 66'666'666 is big enough to show up in a precision timing product
2014-10-05T22:41:17 < gxti> it would still adjust but it would show up :p
2014-10-05T22:41:34 < zyp> the problem with doubles is that the result has to be bit-exact as per spec, and the compiler isn't allowed to fold calculations that can give slightly different rounding
2014-10-05T22:42:43 < gxti> actually i guess it's not that important. could be worth a try. i did it with doubles because i already have all the softfloat stuff pulled in from the pll math so might as well use it, but if there's a good reason not to then i won't.
2014-10-05T22:45:09 < zyp> hmm, doesn't look like -ffast-math makes a difference
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2014-10-05T23:06:56 < gxti> anybody gotten lto and gc-sections to play nice yet?
2014-10-05T23:08:32 < gxti> i get errors about 'SomeSymbol defined in discarded section .text of blahblah.o'
2014-10-05T23:11:11 < PaulFertser> gxti: yes, it workes here. I was getting that message when I had wrong order of object files.
2014-10-05T23:14:23 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/gT8n3.jpg
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2014-10-05T23:19:34 < PaulFertser> gxti: e.g. https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/commit/42f3184cf2f67f6572407296dbdf5d2a54d54c0e (had to put startup last)
2014-10-05T23:45:55 < gxti> zyp: looks like -Os might not attempt to do this optimization
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2014-10-06T00:04:44 < gxti> PaulFertser: same issue even with vectors last
2014-10-06T00:06:21 < gxti> there are two symbols, and both of them are C functions that are called from assembly which is embedded in other c functions
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2014-10-06T00:26:21 < krysmin> Hiho
2014-10-06T00:27:01 < krysmin> which is better for beginners: stm32 nucleo or for example stm32f407
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2014-10-06T01:42:06 < upgrdman> reverse swastika in a schematic. lol... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Emitter_follower.png
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2014-10-06T01:56:26 < gnomad> Always worth remembering that symbol goes back to ancient times, and with *very* different meanings than Hitler applied to it in the 1920s.
2014-10-06T01:56:49 < upgrdman> yes i know
2014-10-06T01:56:56 < upgrdman> but still amusing
2014-10-06T01:57:01 < gnomad> not really.
2014-10-06T01:57:10 < upgrdman> buzzkill
2014-10-06T01:57:31 < gnomad> most schematics try to avoid that, but for strictly aesthetic reasons.
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2014-10-06T02:40:48 < Laurenceb__> any git experts here?
2014-10-06T02:41:04 < Laurenceb__> "remote: error: refusing to update checked out branch: refs/heads/master
2014-10-06T02:41:04 < Laurenceb__> "
2014-10-06T02:41:30 < qyx_> during which action?
2014-10-06T02:42:34 < Laurenceb__> git push to the remote
2014-10-06T02:42:55 < Laurenceb__> i clearly screwed up the config
2014-10-06T02:42:56 < qyx_> and is remote bare?
2014-10-06T02:43:01 < Laurenceb__> no
2014-10-06T02:43:05 < qyx_> eg. does it have working tree?
2014-10-06T02:43:25 < Laurenceb__> whats a working tree?
2014-10-06T02:45:03 < qyx_> in a git repo you have your working files (currently checked branch, uncommited changes, etc.) and your .git directory
2014-10-06T02:45:12 < qyx_> bare repo is with .git only
2014-10-06T02:45:20 < Laurenceb__> ah
2014-10-06T02:45:43 < Laurenceb__> is there any other solution other than making two repositories on the remote machine?
2014-10-06T02:45:44 < qyx_> and if you are trying to push to non-bare repository which have uncommited changes in its working tree, you may get this
2014-10-06T02:45:48 < Laurenceb__> i see
2014-10-06T02:46:53 < Laurenceb__> ill push to a temporary branch then fix it later lol
2014-10-06T02:46:56 < qyx_> hm, don't know, you can still push changes in your development branch and let the repository owner to merge them
2014-10-06T02:46:57 < Laurenceb__> thanx for th ehelp
2014-10-06T02:48:16 < qyx_> thta would be kind of lame pull request
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2014-10-06T03:05:21 < dongs> whats up dongs
2014-10-06T03:08:55 < qyx_> chats died with Laurenceb__
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2014-10-06T06:13:10 < dongs> http://www.homemediatech.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/open_hour_chameleon_05-internals.jpg haha, 'sumlink'
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2014-10-06T06:33:19 < emeb_mac> what's wrong with sumlink?
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2014-10-06T08:27:01 < emeb_mac> wait - you used altium and then say only idiots use altium?
2014-10-06T08:28:14 < emeb_mac> allegro all the way?
2014-10-06T08:28:31 < gxti> 2 pro 4 us
2014-10-06T08:29:22 < upgrdman> ic flow?
2014-10-06T08:29:33 < englishman> i usually put down masking tape in a parking lot. then take a photo with a helicopter to make the gerbs
2014-10-06T08:30:23 < emeb_mac> englishman: a sharpie + ferric chloride should be enough for everyone.
2014-10-06T08:32:47 < emeb_mac> sounds nice
2014-10-06T08:33:09 < emeb_mac> my 1st schematic capture sw was Orcad - on DOS! :P
2014-10-06T08:34:54 < upgrdman> regarding op amps, is there any reason why non-rail-to-rail ones are still made, other than to support old designs?
2014-10-06T08:35:29 < gxti> R-R requires some tricks to make it work near the margins, might be that 'plain' ones have better linearity or somesuch
2014-10-06T08:35:57 < upgrdman> hmm k
2014-10-06T08:36:11 < jpa-> yeah, might have more even response, i.e. slew rate independent of voltage
2014-10-06T08:36:35 < jpa-> or other parameters better due to not having to design for rail-to-rail
2014-10-06T08:37:23 < jpa-> (though i guess for many of the variances near the rail areas, you could just use the center area of rail-to-rail range)
2014-10-06T08:38:22 < upgrdman> what does fully diff mean
2014-10-06T08:39:33 < jpa-> no differential to single-ended conversion happening internally or externally
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2014-10-06T08:52:18 < dongs> sup dongs
2014-10-06T08:52:24 < dongs> my metcal handle + tips arrived
2014-10-06T08:52:26 < dongs> station tomrorwo or wed
2014-10-06T08:52:27 < dongs> exciting
2014-10-06T08:55:35 < emeb_mac> pro soldering starts in 3... 2... 1...
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2014-10-06T09:08:53 < dongs> eh
2014-10-06T09:08:56 < dongs> tips was some shit from digikey
2014-10-06T09:09:02 < dongs> and station was mx500
2014-10-06T09:09:12 < dongs> digieky has easybraid &co that are clones of metcal handles/tips
2014-10-06T09:23:12 < dongs> fuck yeah
2014-10-06T09:23:13 < dongs> got hte panel shit working
2014-10-06T09:23:16 < dongs> fuckin finally
2014-10-06T09:23:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0sxRIgy.jpg
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2014-10-06T11:47:02 < Cyric> hi guys, i am trying to understand better the stm32 memory management... but i am missing some very basic theory... in particular regarding the RAM and the flash...
2014-10-06T11:48:31 < Cyric> what i would expect is that my program is stored in the flash and then loaded in the RAM in run time...
2014-10-06T11:49:22 < Cyric> but it seems that is not like this... is the RAM loaded in the compile time?
2014-10-06T11:56:15 < _franck_> Cyric: the program is executed from the flash
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2014-10-06T12:00:32 < Cyric> ok lets suppose that i create a program that increase a variable (j+1) and blink a led every Cicle...
2014-10-06T12:01:28 < Cyric> the instructions are loaded in the flash..
2014-10-06T12:02:04 < Cyric> now.. in the beginning.... there is something written in the ram?
2014-10-06T12:03:26 < Cyric> or the ram starts empty?
2014-10-06T12:05:04 < jpa-> crt0 initializes it
2014-10-06T12:05:28 < jpa-> if you do not use the C runtime, it starts at random value
2014-10-06T12:07:47 < Cyric> ok.. so you mean that all the variables are already there?
2014-10-06T12:08:11 < Cyric> (eventually with random value)
2014-10-06T12:08:40 < jpa-> uh?
2014-10-06T12:08:52 < jpa-> yes, the memory is already there even before initialization
2014-10-06T12:09:00 < jpa-> a variable is just a name given to a location in RAM
2014-10-06T12:09:40 < Cyric> ok... this name when is assigned? in run time or in compile time?
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2014-10-06T12:10:33 < jpa-> compile time
2014-10-06T12:10:45 < jpa-> the runtime does not even know the name in C, C++ and similar languages
2014-10-06T12:12:02 < Cyric> ok... then i do not see the point to have a stack...
2014-10-06T12:12:17 < jpa-> eh
2014-10-06T12:12:43 < jpa-> point of stack is to reuse the same area for temporary storage of variables
2014-10-06T12:12:53 < jpa-> i.e. stuff you will not need after the function completes
2014-10-06T12:13:01 < Cyric> if all the variable have already a place in the memory there is no reason to load anything... only the registers
2014-10-06T12:13:51 < Cyric> ok... so the stack only keep track of the few temporary variables and the registers?
2014-10-06T12:14:11 < jpa-> you may want initial values for variables, that is why crt0 loads them
2014-10-06T12:15:03 < Cyric> my point is not to know what value the variable have... is more theorectical
2014-10-06T12:15:28 < jpa-> i don't understand your "point"
2014-10-06T12:16:04 < Cyric> was to understand 1. who decide where to store my variables in RAM
2014-10-06T12:16:32 < Cyric> 2. when reserve this space? in complile time or in run time
2014-10-06T12:16:41 < Cyric> but you already replied to both
2014-10-06T12:16:43 < Cyric> :)
2014-10-06T12:16:47 < Cyric> so thanks
2014-10-06T12:16:57 < jpa-> compiler decides within one translation unit, and emits something like ".data: reserve 80 bytes"; then linker puts all the .data sections from various .o files together in the final RAM map
2014-10-06T12:17:14 < jpa-> ok, np
2014-10-06T12:17:22 < Cyric> great..
2014-10-06T12:17:22 < PaulFertser> Cyric: so non-static global variables get placed by linker based on ld script instructions.
2014-10-06T12:18:32 < PaulFertser> So it's more like link time.
2014-10-06T12:18:56 < Cyric> thanks.. now i understood it
2014-10-06T12:24:56 < Cyric> so but i have another question now...
2014-10-06T12:25:06 < Cyric> ah no sorry
2014-10-06T12:25:13 < Cyric> i just answered myself
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2014-10-06T12:49:28 < __rob> anyone around that has successfully used lwip with freertos ?
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2014-10-06T13:00:56 < Thorn> what do you think http://www.fedevel.com/academy/online-advanced-pcb-layout-course/
2014-10-06T13:02:10 < madist> Software Requirements
2014-10-06T13:02:11 < madist> Altium Designer licence
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2014-10-06T13:44:07 < dongs> fuck
2014-10-06T13:44:23 < dongs> upgrade on trashberry pi: need to get 370megs of shit
2014-10-06T13:44:28 < dongs> Thorn: i talked to taht guy before he seems cool
2014-10-06T13:44:37 < dongs> Thorn: but what do you expect to learn tehre that you cant just ask on irc?????????????
2014-10-06T13:49:02 < Thorn> how to route ddr3? lol
2014-10-06T13:49:32 < Thorn> and everything else that has to do with a multilayer impedance controlled board
2014-10-06T13:54:02 < dongs> nobody routes ddr3
2014-10-06T13:54:08 < dongs> most people just copypaste vendor reference design
2014-10-06T13:54:51 < dongs> we've got like 10 different allwhiner projects with ddr and the cpu+memory block is just directly copied on all of them
2014-10-06T13:55:00 < scrts_w> we route ddr3
2014-10-06T13:55:10 < scrts_w> because vendor only offers routes for DIMM modules
2014-10-06T13:55:13 < dongs> scrts_w: you guys are pros ^_-
2014-10-06T13:55:16 < Thorn> what about fpga designs
2014-10-06T13:55:17 < scrts_w> or 2 chips - 32bits width
2014-10-06T13:55:55 < dongs> scrts_w: SoC vendor usually has layout + sdram for their shit
2014-10-06T13:56:06 < dongs> Thorn: FPGA with onboard memory controller can only be routed one way..
2014-10-06T13:56:10 < scrts_w> well we use FPGAs or TI DSPs
2014-10-06T13:56:14 < dongs> and chances are, evaluation board for that fpga will include the routing..
2014-10-06T13:58:56 < scrts_w> yes, e.g. Cyclone V has 5 chips of memory (4x16bits + 8bits for ECC), while I only need one chip with 16 bits width... It will end up being 32 bits inside FPGA anyway, because of the DDR factor.
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2014-10-06T15:31:15 < Thorn> control office lighting etc. online, annoy everybody inside http://sensehome.ru/try/#cam_1
2014-10-06T15:33:48 < jpa-> nah, the hawthorne research pointed out that any changes improved efficiency!
2014-10-06T15:35:27 < dongs> Thorn: which of htem is you
2014-10-06T15:36:02 < Thorn> no one lol
2014-10-06T15:37:01 < jpa-> you're skipping work??
2014-10-06T15:37:05 < englishman> dongs: chromebookpixel yayy
2014-10-06T15:43:25 < englishman> no more displayport????
2014-10-06T15:50:33 < Thorn> https://github.com/google/physical-web
2014-10-06T15:54:56 < Laurenceb> Poes law
2014-10-06T15:57:40 < dongs> englishman: wat do  you mean no more
2014-10-06T15:57:56 < englishman> oh is that dp
2014-10-06T15:58:06 < englishman> i thoguht you were doing a hdmi converter
2014-10-06T15:58:13 < englishman> and didnt see a 2nd port
2014-10-06T15:58:14 < Claude> Thorn, do you get an IPC or CID certifcate from that course ?
2014-10-06T15:58:36 < dongs> i gotta do wat pays, but all this is making it so that I can make the ultimate converter of doom
2014-10-06T15:59:10 < englishman> ooh with SCART???
2014-10-06T15:59:27 < englishman> so i can plug my 1985 german NES into it directly
2014-10-06T15:59:36 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/255835476/1080pi-the-first-full-hd-lcd-add-on-for-raspberry
2014-10-06T15:59:42 < dongs> so i can murder tehse guys
2014-10-06T16:00:04 < englishman> 1080p for $200+?
2014-10-06T16:00:22 < Thorn> Claude: nope, only http://www.fedevel.com/academy/certificate/
2014-10-06T16:00:30 < englishman> wow hueg pcb
2014-10-06T16:01:31 < englishman> where do they even get those crappy panels
2014-10-06T16:01:48 < dongs> panel looks like lvds
2014-10-06T16:01:52 < dongs> cuz 20 pin connector
2014-10-06T16:01:53 < englishman> or are they ipad screens but resolution is limited by rpi
2014-10-06T16:01:55 < englishman> ah
2014-10-06T16:02:00 < dongs> so any of those njytouch  things off ebay
2014-10-06T16:02:05 < englishman> awesome
2014-10-06T16:02:28 < englishman> with 8:8:8 lines and a horrible datasheet
2014-10-06T16:02:32 < Claude> Thorn, hmm don't know if such a certificate is of any worth on the 'market' , if you do an IPC or CID course you have at least something which counts as certificate in the industry
2014-10-06T16:02:34 < qyx_> does it do at least 5fps with 1080p?
2014-10-06T16:02:43 < zyp> «by Inti Innovations», more like «Anti Innovations» amirite?
2014-10-06T16:03:03 < dongs> heh
2014-10-06T16:03:41 < englishman> altidongs detected
2014-10-06T16:03:46 < englishman> pro tools except in russia
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2014-10-06T16:05:31 < Laurenceb> has anyone got drivers for Rpi DSI?
2014-10-06T16:05:34 < Laurenceb> im guessing no
2014-10-06T16:06:52 < dongs> there wa ssome effort
2014-10-06T16:07:04 < dongs> http://raspi.tv/2014/raspberry-pi-official-7-inch-dsi-prototype-preview this
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2014-10-06T16:07:15 < Laurenceb> wow
2014-10-06T16:07:20 < Laurenceb> they did some work
2014-10-06T16:08:04 < Laurenceb> scary
2014-10-06T16:08:09 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/697708033/hdmipi-affordable-9-high-def-screen-for-the-raspbe/posts this shit is so fucking ugly
2014-10-06T16:08:33 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/557/842/3c4995f9734c839c8b3cd7f8cadcfe95_large.JPG?1410270164
2014-10-06T16:09:05 < dongs> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/sDIAAOxyhS9TfZgc/$_57.JPG
2014-10-06T16:09:09 < dongs> looks famililar????
2014-10-06T16:10:20 < englishman> half million bux
2014-10-06T16:10:49 < englishman> thats more than i made last year
2014-10-06T16:10:57 < Laurenceb> lol
2014-10-06T16:11:07 < dongs> such modesty
2014-10-06T16:11:17 < Laurenceb> but i bet half a buck would be too
2014-10-06T16:11:21 < dongs> Update #26
2014-10-06T16:11:22 < dongs> Sep 11 2014
2014-10-06T16:11:27 < dongs> insensitive fuck
2014-10-06T16:11:39 < dongs> how dare he post that update about his shitty aspieberrypi shit on september 11
2014-10-06T16:11:42 < Laurenceb> allah snackbar
2014-10-06T16:37:45 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpU0Vnb18_0
2014-10-06T16:39:02 < Steffanx> ok..
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2014-10-06T17:56:18 < dongs> https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13rdjryqyn1xlt3522sxpugoz3gujbhh04 ooo
2014-10-06T17:56:19 < dongs> drama
2014-10-06T17:59:44 < Steffanx> more troll bait ..
2014-10-06T18:00:25 < Steffanx> Especially the "ranting" about mr lunix
2014-10-06T18:03:33 < Steffanx> found his irc nickname yet dongs? :P
2014-10-06T18:03:50 < englishman> its Laurenceb
2014-10-06T18:03:51 < dongs> i messaged mark karpeles on irc before :D
2014-10-06T18:04:27 < gxti> just imagine, there are people more toxic than dongs
2014-10-06T18:06:14 < Steffanx> Yeah, people from ice cold finland like jpa- are the worst.
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2014-10-06T18:15:59 < dongs> MODULE_AUTHOR("BESTIDEAR");
2014-10-06T18:19:16 < dongs> hmm
2014-10-06T18:19:20 < dongs> this is pretty interesting
2014-10-06T18:19:36 < dongs> thre's some "Confidential Strictly Private" vendor code on github
2014-10-06T18:20:26 < dongs> but thats not the intersting part
2014-10-06T18:20:31 < dongs> the coding style and naming and shit
2014-10-06T18:20:39 < dongs> is very similar to code i got form another vendor
2014-10-06T18:20:46 < dongs> down to like 90% of functions being called same
2014-10-06T18:20:54 < dongs> i wonder who stole from who????
2014-10-06T18:21:08 < gxti> they must have gotten infected by the GPL virus
2014-10-06T18:21:11 < gxti> it's
2014-10-06T18:21:19 < gxti> it's making them share code involuntarily
2014-10-06T18:22:13 < karlp> anx9804 stuff?
2014-10-06T18:23:58 < dongs> https://github.com/skelton/Amlogic_common_meson6/blob/master/customer/drivers/vout/DP_TX_Reg.h this shit is like
2014-10-06T18:24:08 < dongs> i have almost same shit from a noname taiwanese place
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2014-10-06T18:29:14 < dongs> https://www.google.com/search?q="Confidential+Strictly+Private"+github lolz
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2014-10-06T18:58:24 < Laurenceb> dongs whats the highest voltage afroesc can run from?
2014-10-06T19:02:26 < zyp> 230V
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2014-10-06T20:23:41 < gxti> dongs: saw this and thought of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alaska_Death_Trap.jpg
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2014-10-06T20:39:40 < Thorn> what is this thing? http://instagram.com/p/tzZa7QF58F/ http://instagram.com/p/tzbKCqF59q/
2014-10-06T20:40:11 < Thorn> the guy who found it claims it's a bug
2014-10-06T20:42:39 < zyp> it's a pcb on top of a lipo battery
2014-10-06T20:43:58 < Steffanx> yeah, end something is missing.. some empty fpc connector
2014-10-06T20:44:00 < Steffanx> *and
2014-10-06T20:44:24 < jpa-> based on the photo could be just about anything
2014-10-06T20:45:23 < Steffanx> like a new raspberry pi prototype jpa-?
2014-10-06T20:45:41 < jpa-> yeah, or a remote control for Tectu's buttplug
2014-10-06T20:45:56 < Steffanx> Yikes.
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2014-10-06T20:47:06 < gxti> i'd guess a hacked-up cellphone mainboard
2014-10-06T20:47:28 < gxti> could be a bug, or could be fakey fakey fake
2014-10-06T20:47:39 < Steffanx> Then it must be the lastest kickstarter project
2014-10-06T20:47:53 < zyp> yeah, anybody can piece out a phone, add some wires and glue and take a picture
2014-10-06T20:50:14 < qyx_> how long could the antenna be?
2014-10-06T20:50:49 < qyx_> the whole thing is like 35x40mm
2014-10-06T20:50:54 < qyx_> quite big for a bug
2014-10-06T20:51:47 < qyx_> if the whip antenna is about 40mm long, it would make ~1800MHz
2014-10-06T20:51:56 < gxti> for a custom one sure. for one made of hacked-up cellphone bits not surprising.
2014-10-06T20:54:07 < Thorn> http://instagram.com/p/tzZ6vIl58m/   says "samsung"
2014-10-06T20:54:18 < Thorn> on the battery
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2014-10-07T00:43:33 < englishman> STMicroelectronics (@ST_World) replied to one of your Tweets!
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2014-10-07T00:45:27 < Steffanx> w00t
2014-10-07T00:46:21 < englishman> I'm so content
2014-10-07T00:47:20 < Steffanx> You're not the one who needs the timecube uh?
2014-10-07T00:48:22 < englishman> I love timecube
2014-10-07T00:48:44 < Steffanx> Im going to follow you
2014-10-07T00:49:14 < englishman> :o
2014-10-07T00:52:41 < zyp> Steffanx the stalker
2014-10-07T00:53:01 < Steffanx> Hey, i have to use twitter for SOMETHING
2014-10-07T00:53:25 < Steffanx> And im one of the THREE
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2014-10-07T02:29:39 < dongs> englishman: i dont see that tweet
2014-10-07T02:29:57 < englishman> Steffanex found it
2014-10-07T02:30:06 < englishman> BTW nice video
2014-10-07T02:31:16 < dongs> Steffanx: retweet that shit. i lack the twitterfoo
2014-10-07T02:33:41 < englishman> I don't blame u its extremely difficult to navigate
2014-10-07T02:36:34 < karlp> a link for the rest of us?
2014-10-07T02:36:54 < karlp> I just scanned a pile of st_world raving about how aweoms they were at armcon, but nothign stood out as what you're talking about
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2014-10-07T02:38:52 < zyp> https://twitter.com/ST_World/status/519203767900966912 <- could it be this?
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2014-10-07T02:39:33 < englishman> That's it
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2014-10-07T02:45:46 < karlp> how do you have _1_ tweet and 12 followers?
2014-10-07T02:46:27 < dongs> haha
2014-10-07T02:47:28 < englishman> Lots of facebook friends too and never posted anything
2014-10-07T02:47:43 < englishman> Twitter is 100% spam
2014-10-07T02:48:07 < englishman> And steffanx <3
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2014-10-07T02:52:47 < zyp> maybe I should register on twitter just so I could follow englishman
2014-10-07T02:52:50 < zyp> and Steffanx
2014-10-07T02:52:53 < zyp> and be cool like them
2014-10-07T02:54:41 < englishman> Prepare your inbox (for spam)
2014-10-07T02:55:10 < englishman> facebook and twitter send more spam than legitimate spammers
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2014-10-07T03:00:01 < karlp> my spam is turning into real mail
2014-10-07T03:00:22 < karlp> I get "spam" from people offering me PCB manufacturing services and similar
2014-10-07T03:00:46 < karlp> actually, I guess, that's the mail that gets past spam filters, I do hav elots of spam too
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2014-10-07T03:21:16 < dongs> hey 1080pi didnt have hdmi audio. my shit is already better. and what the fuck supports touchscreen on pi? like NOTHING rihgt
2014-10-07T03:21:59 < zyp> *yawn*
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2014-10-07T03:27:59 < dongs> pfft
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2014-10-07T03:46:49 < jadew> I'm considering removing fb from my phone
2014-10-07T03:47:04 < dongs> why is it even there
2014-10-07T03:47:21 < jadew> I don't know... it seemed cool to have my friend's photo update from fb
2014-10-07T03:47:31 < jadew> but I keep getting notifications about stuff I don't care
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2014-10-07T03:48:13 < jadew> and the photo thing... it's more of a PITA
2014-10-07T03:48:37 < jadew> because some of them are not that easy to recognize in the avatar photos
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2014-10-07T03:50:29 < jadew> dongs you've been on this HDMI thing for a while, what are you trying to do?
2014-10-07T03:51:18 < jadew> or is it a secret?
2014-10-07T03:54:34 < dongs> jadew: oh nothing just dicking around
2014-10-07T03:54:42 < dongs> testing out parts for some workstuff
2014-10-07T03:54:55 < jadew> ah, got it, thought you're making a product or something
2014-10-07T03:55:00 < dongs> i will be making a 2560x800 hdmi input that splits it into 2 panels
2014-10-07T03:55:27 < dongs> thats the 'workproj', various shits in between are prototypes/testing stuff to get theree
2014-10-07T03:56:55 < jadew> man.. I'm so behind when it comes to displays
2014-10-07T03:57:09 < jadew> I'm still on 1024x768 and I'm using VGA on two of my monitors
2014-10-07T03:57:24 < dongs> wtf
2014-10-07T03:57:36 < zyp> wat
2014-10-07T03:57:41 < jadew> 1280x768 on another one :P
2014-10-07T03:57:48 < zyp> next you're gonna say you're still using crt
2014-10-07T03:57:53 < jadew> nah, LCDs
2014-10-07T03:57:54 < dongs> he probably is
2014-10-07T03:58:06 < jadew> they're capable of better resolution, but for some reason I like this best
2014-10-07T03:58:13 < dongs> uhhh
2014-10-07T03:58:14 < dongs> yeah ok.
2014-10-07T03:58:15 < zyp> heh
2014-10-07T03:58:32 < jadew> and 2 of them are 4:3
2014-10-07T03:58:42 < zyp> lots of 4k crt's around, right?
2014-10-07T03:59:00 < dongs> im waiting for my amd card to try out 3 4K dells in portrait
2014-10-07T03:59:52 < jadew> is portrait mode nice for coding?
2014-10-07T04:00:05 < dongs> i dunno but im not gonna be able to fit 3 of htem on my desk in landscape
2014-10-07T04:00:12 < dongs> and nvs510 cant rotate 4k @ 60hz
2014-10-07T04:00:17 < jadew> dongs, that's part of the reason I'm not upgrading
2014-10-07T04:00:23 < dongs> maybe amd can, if not, then im fucked anyway
2014-10-07T04:00:35 < zyp> I have a 27" in landscape as main monitor and a 20" in portrait as secondary
2014-10-07T04:00:52 < jadew> zyp, damn
2014-10-07T04:00:58 < zyp> not 4k though :(
2014-10-07T04:01:20 < dongs> zyp, you missed out 4k ebay special
2014-10-07T04:01:25 < dongs> he had them for $500 for a few months
2014-10-07T04:01:30 < dongs> i finally got tired of looking at that price and bought it
2014-10-07T04:01:31 < zyp> he who?
2014-10-07T04:01:35 < dongs> and it went up to 650
2014-10-07T04:01:39 < dongs> some ebay duder in usa
2014-10-07T04:01:43 < dongs> it was like +$70 to ship to jp
2014-10-07T04:01:43 < zyp> which model?
2014-10-07T04:01:53 < dongs> up2414q or wahtever ell 24" 4k is
2014-10-07T04:01:57 < zyp> ah
2014-10-07T04:02:14 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/141339024014
2014-10-07T04:02:17 < dongs> 600
2014-10-07T04:02:56 < dongs> oddly,l as soon as he raiesd it to 600, nobody's buying :D
2014-10-07T04:03:06 < dongs> but he has a bunch sold @ 495
2014-10-07T04:03:54 < zyp> hmm, it's $850 in norwegian stores
2014-10-07T04:04:03 < jadew> I'd get a 4th monitor that's higher resolution (and bigger) to hang above the 3 I have
2014-10-07T04:04:16 < jadew> but I'm not sure I really need it and it would look too funky
2014-10-07T04:04:23 < zyp> but that's after 25% tax, so it makes out to about same
2014-10-07T04:04:31 < gnomad> how useful is 4k @ 24 inches?
2014-10-07T04:04:38 < zyp> jadew, sounds useless
2014-10-07T04:04:51 < englishman> dongs is jap, so already really squinty, probably perfect
2014-10-07T04:04:51 < jadew> zyp, you're probably right, it would be too high
2014-10-07T04:05:00 < zyp> gnomad, obviously depends how far away from the monitor you're sitting
2014-10-07T04:05:02 < jadew> maybe good for watching movies while laying back
2014-10-07T04:05:25 < dongs> gnomad: its amazing
2014-10-07T04:05:40 < dongs> zyp, what tax
2014-10-07T04:05:45 < zyp> VAT
2014-10-07T04:05:57 < zyp> it's 25% in norway
2014-10-07T04:06:01 < dongs> thats cheap, do you mean from dell.co.norge or whatever?
2014-10-07T04:06:05 < gnomad> dongs: how are you making use of the extra pixels?  ultra-small fonts?
2014-10-07T04:06:05 < dongs> or like random electric shops
2014-10-07T04:06:11 < zyp> normal shops
2014-10-07T04:06:17 < englishman> with that price its totally common to get dinged on import too
2014-10-07T04:06:18 < zyp> where I would usually buy monitors and shit
2014-10-07T04:06:33 < dongs> englishman: not wiht ebay shit, they ship via some scam forwardeers and you prepay tax
2014-10-07T04:06:38 < dongs> so they cant fuck  you over further
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2014-10-07T04:06:52 < zyp> https://www.dustinhome.no/product/5010762222/ultrasharp-up2414q
2014-10-07T04:06:56 < dongs> iparcel or wahtever
2014-10-07T04:07:03 < englishman> depends on if they do global forwarding or not ya
2014-10-07T04:07:06 < englishman> looks like this guy isnt tho
2014-10-07T04:07:07 < gnomad> I can understand 4k pixels at 32" and maybe even 27", having trouble at 24, though.
2014-10-07T04:07:09 < zyp> 5500 NOK is ~$850
2014-10-07T04:07:28 < zyp> gnomad, why?
2014-10-07T04:08:00 < dongs> englishman: it comes up with prepaid tax shit for me
2014-10-07T04:08:12 < dongs> Import charges:
2014-10-07T04:08:13 < dongs> $59.05	(amount confirmed at checkout)
2014-10-07T04:08:16 < gnomad> all if your fonts/icons need to be tiny to take advantage of the extra pixels.
2014-10-07T04:08:19 < dongs> ^ it became more cuz price is raised
2014-10-07T04:08:26 < englishman> ohh i was browsing .com
2014-10-07T04:08:38 < englishman> ya hes using global forwarding
2014-10-07T04:08:48 < englishman> $37 feez + $36ship
2014-10-07T04:08:50 < englishman> for me
2014-10-07T04:09:01 < englishman> if i get a job before december il get two :3
2014-10-07T04:09:16 < dongs> get a video card that can drive them first.
2014-10-07T04:09:18 < dongs> keke
2014-10-07T04:09:24 < englishman> no prob
2014-10-07T04:09:27 < jadew> I wonder if mine can
2014-10-07T04:09:31 < englishman> sonce i dont need gamer shits
2014-10-07T04:09:33 < zyp> $69 shipping and $174 import charges for me
2014-10-07T04:09:36 < dongs> jadew: if you have to wonder, then no
2014-10-07T04:09:38 < dongs> zyp: lol @ norway
2014-10-07T04:09:43 < dongs> thats fucking high, wtf
2014-10-07T04:09:51 < zyp> so that's $838
2014-10-07T04:09:54 < dongs> right
2014-10-07T04:09:56 < dongs> same as your lcoal shop
2014-10-07T04:10:00 < zyp> yeah
2014-10-07T04:10:06 < dongs> plot twist: local shop buys from ebay guy
2014-10-07T04:10:19 < zyp> and buying it here would entitle me to a bunch of customer protection laws
2014-10-07T04:10:21 < zyp> is nice
2014-10-07T04:10:34 < dongs> not really
2014-10-07T04:10:40 < dongs> cuz dell wont fix isseus with these anyway
2014-10-07T04:10:45 < dongs> :)
2014-10-07T04:10:51 < zyp> doesn't matter, not my problem
2014-10-07T04:10:59 < dongs> they'll release 2415UQ or wahtever soon-ish
2014-10-07T04:11:21 < englishman> gov't laws require retailers to do that shit in some places
2014-10-07T04:11:24 < dongs> Your monthly NXP news: NFC Everywhere
2014-10-07T04:11:39 < dongs> englishman: but there's no fix
2014-10-07T04:11:50 < dongs> you can scream at your retailer all you want, the replacement will still be same :)
2014-10-07T04:11:57 < englishman> yeah, thats the idea
2014-10-07T04:12:04 < englishman> if shit breaks or theres lots of deadpix
2014-10-07T04:12:18 < dongs> these are guaranteed deadpixels from dell
2014-10-07T04:12:24 < dongs> cuz its htier ultrasharp line or wahtever
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2014-10-07T04:12:36 < dongs> tehre was some link that says their acceptable policy for deadstuffs
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2014-10-07T04:13:04 < zyp> I'm not talking dead pixels, I'm talking about it breaking in general
2014-10-07T04:13:27 < zyp> like hard drives tend to do
2014-10-07T04:14:02 < zyp> I've gotten free replacements for harddrives that have been several years old
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2014-10-07T04:16:01 < zyp> oh, and I'm also entitled to test shit I buy online and return it within a month for a full refund if I don't like it
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2014-10-07T04:17:57 < jadew> zyp, same here
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2014-10-07T04:19:49 < jadew> 4k = 200 Mbps?
2014-10-07T04:20:28 < jadew> how many bits per pixel?
2014-10-07T04:20:40 < dongs> wut
2014-10-07T04:20:47 < dongs> more like 12gbps
2014-10-07T04:20:54 < dongs> (if youre talking raw link rate?
2014-10-07T04:21:01 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-07T04:21:02 < dongs> 3840*3*2160*60
2014-10-07T04:21:28 < jadew> * nr of bits
2014-10-07T04:22:01 < jadew> yeah, you're right, it's in the Gbps
2014-10-07T04:22:07 < dongs> right
2014-10-07T04:22:19 < dongs> 11.94gbit + 8/10 overhead + dp overhead
2014-10-07T04:22:55 < jadew> that's amazing
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2014-10-07T05:54:54 < dongs> fuck, so stoned
2014-10-07T05:54:56 < dongs> what to do
2014-10-07T05:55:47 < englishman> go fly a quad?
2014-10-07T05:55:52 < englishman> i bet its been a year
2014-10-07T05:56:04 < dongs> youre not wrong
2014-10-07T05:56:10 < dongs> probly dont ahve anythign flying
2014-10-07T06:22:00 < emeb_mac> quads so cheap now. $20 @ amazon
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2014-10-07T06:39:38 < nmolo> thoughts on the official ST libraries vs libopencm3?
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2014-10-07T06:45:21 < dongs> well
2014-10-07T06:45:23 < dongs> timecube sucks.
2014-10-07T06:45:36 < dongs> libopencm3 sucks, too.
2014-10-07T06:46:03 < nmolo> any good happy medium out there?
2014-10-07T06:46:26 < dongs> stdperiphlib wasnt so bad until they timecubed it
2014-10-07T06:46:34 < dongs> i duno why ST hates their users :((
2014-10-07T06:47:18 < dongs> my biggest problem with libopencm3 is that its gcc-only, too many files/subfolders, and it renames standard stuff like interrupt vector names and shit into thier own form
2014-10-07T06:47:36 < dongs> if this doesnt concern you then its probly a good choice for you
2014-10-07T06:47:43 < nmolo> stdperiphlib was what I used around 2 years ago to program these chips
2014-10-07T06:47:48 < nmolo> I'm okay with that
2014-10-07T06:47:55 < nmolo> and wouldn't mind using it
2014-10-07T06:47:58 < dongs> F1 still has stdlib
2014-10-07T06:48:02 < dongs> F4, if you can find it
2014-10-07T06:48:05 < nmolo> I'm just trying to teach new people how to program these things
2014-10-07T06:48:17 < dongs> but all new-ish stuff is all timecube
2014-10-07T06:48:19 < nmolo> time cube just seems easy
2014-10-07T06:48:27 < dongs> well, it probably is
2014-10-07T06:48:31 < dongs> if oyu dont care about the code at all
2014-10-07T06:48:42 < dongs> ST knows best, might as well use it
2014-10-07T06:49:46 < nmolo> I'm more worried about what these freshman are going to code
2014-10-07T06:50:57 < englishman> timecube is awesome
2014-10-07T06:51:15 < englishman> but compiling basically blank file = 22k
2014-10-07T06:51:25 < englishman> impressive bloat levels
2014-10-07T06:51:44 < englishman> freshman with st, uh ok
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2014-10-07T06:51:51 < englishman> shouldnt they be on 68k
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2014-10-07T06:52:44 < nmolo> in the curriculum, yeah but this is for a robotics project
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2014-10-07T07:11:12 < dongs> < englishman> but compiling basically blank file = 22k
2014-10-07T07:11:14 < dongs> lol
2014-10-07T07:11:15 < dongs> thats great
2014-10-07T07:14:20 < emeb_mac> freshmen should be on arduino
2014-10-07T07:14:32 < dongs> attiny85
2014-10-07T07:14:34 < dongs> 8pin version
2014-10-07T07:20:40 < nmolo> Gotta run before you can walk
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2014-10-07T08:08:59 < dongs> nice, jpy is going to shit again
2014-10-07T08:09:41 < dongs> i cant figure out if thats good or bad
2014-10-07T08:09:43 < dongs> i think thats bad
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2014-10-07T08:33:26 < gnomad> I want to flog any EE prof who uses an Arduino.
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2014-10-07T08:34:49 < gnomad> art profs, fine. chem/bio/physics profs using it to replace labview, fine.
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2014-10-07T08:35:27 < gnomad> but nobody in EE should be taught arduino.
2014-10-07T08:43:28 < PaulFertser> Isn't learning curve for cortex-m chips probably too tough for ordinary students? Just compare the size of, say, atmega8 datasheet with that of stm32f1's; some people can probably be royally scared seeing 1000+ pages document, and that wouldn't motivate them properly.
2014-10-07T08:43:58 < dongs> um
2014-10-07T08:44:07 < dongs> do you really need to read dataasheet to do something with a mcu
2014-10-07T08:44:24 < dongs> if you have a working HAL (like timecube tries to do), shouldnt you not really care about how shit works
2014-10-07T08:44:26 < PaulFertser> Unless you're copy-pasting somebody else's code...
2014-10-07T08:44:27 < dongs> and just use it
2014-10-07T08:44:57 < PaulFertser> All abstractions leak, and when it comes to microcontrollers, that's pretty evident afaict.
2014-10-07T08:46:02 < jpa-> i'm fine for using 8-bit processors for initial microcontroller in EE studies, but it doesn't have to be arduino (of course, arduino used as a cheap AVR dev board is again fine)
2014-10-07T08:46:38 < jpa-> though for the average student, even arduino is probably enough challenge..
2014-10-07T08:48:00 < PaulFertser> My personal feeling is that stm32 is fine for newcomers as well, and those who can't manage it should just go do something else outside EE field.
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2014-10-07T08:50:00 < madist> start with MSP430 and then graduate to ARM.
2014-10-07T08:50:06 < jpa-> i wouldn't limit EE studies to any single architecture.. better to know the pro's and con's of 8-bits also
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2014-10-07T08:58:50 < PaulFertser> stm8 then? ;)
2014-10-07T08:59:18 < PaulFertser> I mean there's no radical difference between 8 bit and 32 bit, so what to teach?
2014-10-07T09:00:06 < PaulFertser> Of course some general information about diversity of the available ICs should be given with some particular examples. But is a hands-on experience needed much with more than a single architecture?
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2014-10-07T09:09:20 < jpa-> PaulFertser: well you can solve totally different problems with a tiny pic10f200 than with a stm32
2014-10-07T09:09:56 < jpa-> the overlap in application areas is really quite small
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2014-10-07T09:33:25 < dongs> hey innovators
2014-10-07T09:33:55 < jpa-> hey donginator
2014-10-07T09:34:14 < dongs> dongulating
2014-10-07T09:34:25 < PaulFertser> jpa-: some tiny plugin module board? Yes, I agree. But I'm not sure it's really useful to teach that during regular classes.
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2014-10-07T09:35:21 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, i guess there is not that much time for practical experience in school systems
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2014-10-07T09:35:25 < jpa-> should be way more
2014-10-07T09:37:09 < jpa-> and pic10f200 etc. are useful for the sole processor in some very simple systems - like flashlights, temperature transmitters, thermostats etc. when there is no asic that fits the purpose
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2014-10-07T09:39:42 < PaulFertser> They seem to be a bit pricey for the purpose.
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2014-10-07T09:41:09 < jpa-> $0.50 in ones.. not really that pricey for most systems
2014-10-07T09:41:23 < jpa-> of course when volumes are billions then go asics
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2014-10-07T09:42:13 < jpa-> besides, there isn't really any cheaper solution
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2014-10-07T09:45:23 < PaulFertser> Or local dealer told us he can get stm8s for < 0.30$ (I assume when buying at least 1000 pcs).
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2014-10-07T09:52:00 < jpa-> yes, prices go down when you buy many, but that applies to any part
2014-10-07T09:52:18 < jpa-> and stm8 is too physically large for many applications
2014-10-07T09:54:42 < PaulFertser> Indeed, I agree with your point.
2014-10-07T09:56:09 < jpa-> but yeah, maybe not necessary to teach, people should be able to find out on their own
2014-10-07T09:56:39 < PaulFertser> I think that given choice between studying, say, STM32 + PICs and STM32 + CPLD, I'd choose the second any time. Someone already familiar with microcontrollers can get going with another one in a rather short timeframe; while getting a grip on programmable logic would really make a difference.
2014-10-07T09:57:40 < jpa-> hmm, what is the point of cpld's nowadays?
2014-10-07T10:00:24 < PaulFertser> E.g. on boards manufactured at my dayjob they use cplds to implement reliable supervising/control of on-board power supplies.
2014-10-07T10:01:44 < PaulFertser> Also, the basics learnt with cheap CPLD eval boards can be later applied to FPGAs, right?
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2014-10-07T10:11:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/qJjHytm.jpg
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2014-10-07T10:15:25 < PaulFertser> youtube-dl apparently works with pornhub, handy
2014-10-07T10:23:24 < gnomad> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/pornhub-launches-record-label-20140925
2014-10-07T10:23:27 < gnomad> whaa?
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2014-10-07T10:47:32 < madist> not whaa, more like 'uuuh uuuuuh uuuuuuuuh'
2014-10-07T10:48:19 < dongs> uNF uNF uNF
2014-10-07T10:48:50 < madist> can you make a music video for  $5,000  ?
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2014-10-07T11:34:03 < dekar> dongs, which IC are you using for that HDMI to eDP thingy?
2014-10-07T11:44:00 < akaWolf> jpa-: we are used a CPLD in the our analog parts and FPGA in such things, how hardware FFT and PCI bridge... it's very usefull.
2014-10-07T11:45:11 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: also I think, that learning of MCU's should begun from assembler of 8-bit examples.
2014-10-07T11:45:25 < dongs> dekar: several of them, but just testing, not decided yet
2014-10-07T11:45:40 < dongs> this one is some no-name taiwan vendor
2014-10-07T11:47:15 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: I'd rather give a big course based on Hennesy and Patterson's book, they give a broad overview of modern computing plus a whole chapter gently introducing MIPS assembler.
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2014-10-07T11:52:56 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: I prefer that course (link in russian): http://electron.faculty.ifmo.ru/cons/index.htm
2014-10-07T11:53:30 < PaulFertser> LOL: Sorry. Your browser do not support VB scripts and ActiveX. Use Internet Explorer
2014-10-07T11:53:51 < PaulFertser> Was it a joke? The site's unavailable.
2014-10-07T11:54:17 < akaWolf> it's not joke :)
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2014-10-07T11:57:19 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: In Google Chrome it works..
2014-10-07T11:58:07 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: why should anyone care about some insane site?
2014-10-07T11:59:30 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: students, they are want to get a examination, care...
2014-10-07T11:59:42 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: poor fellas
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2014-10-07T12:00:12 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: good course, take a look
2014-10-07T12:03:12 < PaulFertser> akaWolf: neither w3m nor firefox work, I give up
2014-10-07T12:03:31 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: Google Chrome?
2014-10-07T12:03:46 < PaulFertser> Don't have it installed here, see no reason why I might want to.
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2014-10-07T12:08:32 < jpa-> yeah, doesn't work, bad site
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2014-10-07T12:11:40 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: if you disable JS, it should work: http://electron.faculty.ifmo.ru/cons/ogl.htm
2014-10-07T12:12:09 < jpa-> who bothers
2014-10-07T12:12:25 < jpa-> if they go out of their way to stop people from viewing the site, so be it
2014-10-07T12:16:02 < akaWolf> jpa-: it's for students only, protection against plagiarism
2014-10-07T12:16:13 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkXnwqezz0E#t=381 thats weird
2014-10-07T12:16:19 < dongs> check how that gets centered
2014-10-07T12:16:28 < dongs> i would think doing it that way would drop the chip easily...
2014-10-07T12:17:12 < akaWolf> jpa-: I see one version of that course, but by another name already...
2014-10-07T12:17:41 < dongs> < akaWolf> PaulFertser: if you disable JS, it should work: http://electron.faculty.ifmo.ru/cons/ogl.htm
2014-10-07T12:17:44 < dongs> lool that website
2014-10-07T12:17:45 < dongs> 1986 called
2014-10-07T12:18:15 < akaWolf> dongs: do you see my site?
2014-10-07T12:18:31 < dongs> which one?
2014-10-07T12:18:32 < akaWolf> dongs: http://akawolf.us.to/
2014-10-07T12:18:33 < jpa-> akaWolf: how does that protect anything?
2014-10-07T12:18:34 < dongs> that one you linked?
2014-10-07T12:18:42 < dongs> akaWolf: looks ok to me
2014-10-07T12:19:08 < akaWolf> jpa-: againts proof, at least
2014-10-07T12:19:16 < jpa-> ?
2014-10-07T12:19:17 < akaWolf> oh
2014-10-07T12:19:24 < akaWolf> fools*
2014-10-07T12:19:25 < dongs> akaWolf: what should i not see on it?
2014-10-07T12:19:35 < dongs> Welcome to the akawolf.us.to! + some stuff + links
2014-10-07T12:19:51 < jpa-> dongs: he just wants you to call it 80's also
2014-10-07T12:19:55 < akaWolf> yep
2014-10-07T12:20:00 < dongs> nah
2014-10-07T12:20:04 < dongs> there's no tiled background
2014-10-07T12:20:09 < dongs> and retarded animated gifs
2014-10-07T12:20:10 < jpa-> yeah
2014-10-07T12:20:46 < akaWolf> I think, content is the main
2014-10-07T12:20:58 < dongs> not if you cant fucking read it
2014-10-07T12:21:07 < akaWolf> dongs: I can read that..
2014-10-07T12:21:13 < dongs> white background wiht gray tiled chips with black text = really hard to read
2014-10-07T12:21:14 < PaulFertser> gopher!
2014-10-07T12:21:35 < PaulFertser> lol, i didn't see any tiled chips or white background because i use custom CSS in firefox.
2014-10-07T12:21:44 < PaulFertser> So it looked very readable
2014-10-07T12:21:47 < dongs> firefox, fucking hippy
2014-10-07T12:22:02 < PaulFertser> I don't like firefox
2014-10-07T12:22:48 < akaWolf> dongs: for me it's ok. when I was a student, I just copy all course to the doc file and print it.
2014-10-07T12:24:08 < PaulFertser> When I was a student I tried using microsoft word once (for a chemistry coursework), and once I finished it I stopped using anything that works with "doc files", and learnt LaTeX.
2014-10-07T12:24:19 < dongs> plz
2014-10-07T12:24:34 < PaulFertser> cmon
2014-10-07T12:25:00 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: I understand you. MS Office is really sucks...
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2014-10-07T12:25:23 < Steffanx> So does openoffice, libreoffice or whatever *office
2014-10-07T12:25:29 < PaulFertser> Indeed!
2014-10-07T12:25:53 < gnomad> As someone who learned TeX before WYSIWYG was invented, I never saw the point.
2014-10-07T12:26:01 < akaWolf> Steffanx: not much better...
2014-10-07T12:26:03 < gnomad> definitely a huge step backwards.
2014-10-07T12:26:26 < PaulFertser> gnomad: plain TeX ?
2014-10-07T12:27:03 < gnomad> This was before there were enough LaTeX macros and you needed to know TeX.
2014-10-07T12:27:13 < PaulFertser> The TeX language is really strange and quirky by today's standards. But we've luatex today.
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2014-10-07T12:27:36 < gnomad> LaTeX (etc) are all just macro packages for TeX
2014-10-07T12:28:32 < PaulFertser> Yep, I know.
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2014-10-07T12:44:06 < madist> I just wish there was a decent way to convert latex to html that didn't give shit output
2014-10-07T12:44:49 < madist> latex to .doc would be nice for all the places that only accept .doc ... but I guess that's asking for too much.
2014-10-07T12:45:09 < PaulFertser> Easy, convert to pdf, embed pdf :)
2014-10-07T12:45:18 < baird_> convert to GIF..
2014-10-07T12:45:29 < Steffanx> heh, latex to doc.. this reminds me of this teacher that was not able to handle pdf, so i had to magically get it into some .doc
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2014-10-07T12:46:36 < Steffanx> Why? A modern browser should be able to handle latex nowadays.
2014-10-07T12:46:47 < madist> wut
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2014-10-07T12:47:03 < madist> Steffanx: please explain ?
2014-10-07T12:47:21 < Steffanx> What part you don't understand?
2014-10-07T12:47:29 < madist> browsers that can display latex.
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2014-10-07T12:47:50 < Steffanx> oh, i meant they should give support for that. They support all kind of crap nowadays, so why no LaTeX?
2014-10-07T12:47:58 < baird_> It used to be that Cambridge Press et.al. would give you their own LaTeX macros when 'academics' were publishing books through them..
2014-10-07T12:48:56 < madist> hehe. I once downloaded a torrent of some "confidential" .stys
2014-10-07T12:49:11 < baird_> I actually learnt TeX/LaTeX originally to try and pick up some work typing in Math professor's notes..
2014-10-07T12:49:54 < PaulFertser> Don't they give their macros now?
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2014-10-07T12:51:12 < karlp> I tried to use lyx, to get wysiwyg tex, but that sucked so hard
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2014-10-07T12:53:18 < madist> lyx generates very bad tex in my experience.
2014-10-07T12:54:15 < karlp> didn't matter, couldn't get it to do anything at all anyway.
2014-10-07T12:55:34 < gnomad> TeX (et al) is meant to be written natively.
2014-10-07T12:55:57 < gnomad> when you are doing it right, there is no need for wysiwyg.
2014-10-07T12:57:44 < karlp> fuck it, I'm not writing papers, markdown is good enough for me
2014-10-07T12:58:55 < gnomad> something like docbook which can generate both html and TeX is a reasonable solution
2014-10-07T13:05:35 < PaulFertser> org-mode :)
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2014-10-07T13:52:24 < dongs> so ballssssssssssssss
2014-10-07T13:53:23 < madist> Blue LEDs won this year's Nobel Prize in Physics.
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2014-10-07T16:12:17 < dongs> http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/hoppe/perfecthash.pdf
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2014-10-07T16:23:09 < englishman> hey dongs you know anything about this CH340 usbserial chip
2014-10-07T16:23:42 < englishman> ebay is covered with em
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2014-10-07T16:29:23 < karlp> englishman: works fine(ish)
2014-10-07T16:29:35 < karlp> linux driver doesn't (yet) support parity modes
2014-10-07T16:29:47 < karlp> I wouldn't buy one personally, given choices of cp210x
2014-10-07T16:30:35 < karlp> ch341 can allegedly be a i2c/spi/gpio/parallelport printer dongle as well, but I haven't seen any drivers for it, just the (partial, shitty) docs
2014-10-07T16:31:21 < englishman> alright, i'll bail
2014-10-07T16:31:24 < englishman> already ordered cp2102 anyway
2014-10-07T16:32:33 < karlp> (I'm actually just about to go to the post office to pick up a ch341 board, to try and get the linux driver more up to date)
2014-10-07T16:35:25 < dongs> englishman: garbage
2014-10-07T16:35:41 < englishman> cool
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2014-10-07T16:59:24 < zyp> I remember I reverse engineered some shit using that as a usb interface for a cpld/fpga based thing
2014-10-07T16:59:28 < zyp> it was pretty shitty
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2014-10-07T17:03:17 < karlp> what did you have to reverse engineer?
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2014-10-07T17:23:34 < zyp> a guy had some kind of input board that he wanted to read data from without using the included software
2014-10-07T17:24:13 < zyp> so I worked out the protocol from captures and made an API for it
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2014-10-07T17:26:25 < karlp> was this using one of the non usb-uart modes?
2014-10-07T17:26:55 < karlp> or were you reverse engineering the serial protocol that was being used?
2014-10-07T17:27:07 < karlp> I'd love any more info you have on the other modes if it's shareable.
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2014-10-07T17:39:55 < zyp> I think it was 341 in parallel mode
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2014-10-07T17:44:13 < zyp> hm, and apparently I ended up with something just calling CH341EppSetAddr and CH341EppReadData from the vendor lib
2014-10-07T17:44:53 < karlp> oh, using the windows dll, that's no fun :|
2014-10-07T17:45:45 < zyp> I were considering reversing the entire protocol and using libusb, but it were going to run on windows anyway, so I didn't bother
2014-10-07T17:48:46 < zyp> and I didn't have access to the hardware, so I couldn't simply hook up the usb analyzer
2014-10-07T17:49:04 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/Dqb80 <- so I made a dll shim to intercept and log the calls
2014-10-07T17:49:56 < karlp> hrm, clever
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2014-10-07T19:01:27 < Laurenceb> http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/sparkbridge3.jpg?w=580&h=311
2014-10-07T19:01:28 < Laurenceb> lolz
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2014-10-07T19:15:12 < hjf_> I'm getting  undefined reference to `_ebss'
2014-10-07T19:15:26 < hjf_> where is this defined anyway? is this part of gcc or something?
2014-10-07T19:15:36 < dongs> sounds like startup shit
2014-10-07T19:15:40 < dongs> and/or linker scripts
2014-10-07T19:15:50 < hjf_> it's something printf-related
2014-10-07T19:15:57 < hjf_> the "newlib" stuff
2014-10-07T19:16:02 < __rob> end of your bss section surely ?
2014-10-07T19:17:11 < hjf_> i've been searching for this newlib shit and all i find are "you didn't read the docs" posts
2014-10-07T19:17:23 < dongs> welcome to lunix
2014-10-07T19:17:28 < dongs> i haerd keil has a prety good compiler.
2014-10-07T19:17:40 < hjf_> and a link to http://www.yagarto.org/download/yagarto/syscalls.c
2014-10-07T19:17:47 < hjf_> which is 404 and not in archive.org
2014-10-07T19:17:51 < dongs> fuck yagarto
2014-10-07T19:17:58 < dongs> btw, are you using gcc-arm-embedded
2014-10-07T19:18:01 < dongs> or some otehr shit
2014-10-07T19:18:12 < dongs> if "some other shit" delete it and get gcc-arm-embedded
2014-10-07T19:19:10 < qyx_> hjf_: using cmsis?
2014-10-07T19:19:20 < qyx_> *startup
2014-10-07T19:19:40 < qyx_> as __rob says, end of bss section
2014-10-07T19:19:44 < qyx_> like https://github.com/bjornfor/stm32-test/blob/master/stm32.ld
2014-10-07T19:20:17 < __rob> hjf_ check your linker script, and check what symbol its using for bss
2014-10-07T19:20:23 < dongs> http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html cool rant lol
2014-10-07T19:20:29 < __rob> perhaps your using startup code that has different symbols
2014-10-07T19:20:41 < qyx_> http://code.google.com/p/32bitmicro/source/browse/trunk/src/st/CMSIS/Core/CM3/stm32-gcc.ld?r=223
2014-10-07T19:20:45 < qyx_> another example from cmsis
2014-10-07T19:20:53 < qyx_> id defines _ebss
2014-10-07T19:21:06 < __rob> in mine with gcc they are __bss_start__ __bss_end__
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2014-10-07T19:27:42 < englishman> yagarto is dead
2014-10-07T19:27:55 < englishman> if you're going to use gcc at least use working gcc
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2014-10-07T19:29:32 < dongs> there is such thing?
2014-10-07T19:30:31 < gxti> dongs: rofl
2014-10-07T19:31:18 < dongs> gxti: re lkml? yeah that shit is awesome
2014-10-07T19:32:30 < dongs> bedtime
2014-10-07T19:39:24 < hjf_> PROVIDE(_bss_end = .);
2014-10-07T19:39:32 < hjf_> thats it i guess
2014-10-07T19:39:40 < hjf_> STM32F407xG.ld
2014-10-07T19:40:23 < qyx_> where did you get that .ld file?
2014-10-07T19:40:30 < qyx_> and where the startup file?
2014-10-07T19:40:31 < hjf_> chibios
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2014-10-07T19:40:41 < qyx_> are you using chibios?
2014-10-07T19:40:43 < hjf_> yes
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2014-10-07T19:40:57 < qyx_> so wheres the problem?
2014-10-07T19:41:04 < qyx_> their demos work out of box
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2014-10-07T19:41:08 < qyx_> without messing with anything
2014-10-07T19:41:36 < hjf_> i'm not using a demo
2014-10-07T19:41:48 < hjf_> i'm trying to make a streaming audio player
2014-10-07T19:42:03 < qyx_> so you are using chibios startup file and linker file
2014-10-07T19:42:08 < hjf_> i started with a demo and i'm able to get data off the internet now
2014-10-07T19:42:19 < hjf_> so now i compiled helix AAC decoder
2014-10-07T19:42:28 < qyx_> and how were you able to introduce this error?
2014-10-07T19:42:53 < hjf_> chibios doesn't provide printf
2014-10-07T19:42:59 < hjf_> it has a chprintf
2014-10-07T19:43:01 < qyx_> why should it?
2014-10-07T19:43:05 < qyx_> newlib has one
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2014-10-07T19:43:16 < hjf_> well, there is no newlib,
2014-10-07T19:43:20 < hjf_> there's the H
2014-10-07T19:43:24 < hjf_> but you have to implement all
2014-10-07T19:43:35 < qyx_> where is no newlib?
2014-10-07T19:43:49 < hjf_> neither in the chibios tree or in yagarto?
2014-10-07T19:43:59 < qyx_> use normaln toolchain
2014-10-07T19:44:08 < hjf_> whats a normal toolchain?
2014-10-07T19:44:30 < qyx_> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded for example
2014-10-07T19:44:50 < qyx_> just include syscalls.c from chibios in your makefile
2014-10-07T19:45:02 < hjf_> ok... so why does chibios suggest yagarto?
2014-10-07T19:45:07 < qyx_> i don't know
2014-10-07T19:45:10 < qyx_> where?
2014-10-07T19:45:17 < gxti> it's been around longer than gcc-arm-embedded
2014-10-07T19:45:27 < gxti> so yagarto was what was available at the time
2014-10-07T19:45:38 < qyx_> i hope you are not reading outdated wiki
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2014-10-07T19:46:15 < qyx_> like this one from 2012 http://www.chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:guides:eclipse1
2014-10-07T19:46:21 < hjf_> yes
2014-10-07T19:46:40 < hjf_> it is outdated... it also tells you to use some other IDE from where you have to extract st-link
2014-10-07T19:46:57 < hjf_> but that st-link is now hardcoded to only accept connections from that IDE
2014-10-07T19:47:01 < englishman> wandering down the lunix path
2014-10-07T19:47:23 < karlp> anyone know how to get "box.cloud.taobao" files? http://box.cloud.taobao.com/file/downloadFile.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.q93tRT&shareLink=Eky10K0
2014-10-07T19:47:30 < karlp> it just takes me to some sort of login form...
2014-10-07T19:47:31 < qyx_> thankfully it is 2014 now and it all works without modifications
2014-10-07T19:47:45 < qyx_> chibios & gcc-arm-embedded & openocd
2014-10-07T19:48:02 < qyx_> you should be able to setup whole toolchain in like 5 minutes
2014-10-07T19:48:13 < hjf_> ok..downloading now
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2014-10-07T19:48:44 < hjf_> qyx_: also i'm on windows so no, openocd doesn't just work
2014-10-07T19:48:54 < hjf_> i had to hunt for an openocd version with st-link support
2014-10-07T19:48:59 < qyx_> meh
2014-10-07T19:50:12 < qyx_> which reminds me.. the thing that annoys me about gcc-arm-embedded is that is is32bit only
2014-10-07T19:50:36 < englishman> any 8bit arms out there?
2014-10-07T19:50:47 < gxti> host arch not target arch englishman
2014-10-07T19:50:53 < englishman> oh haha
2014-10-07T19:50:54 < gxti> as in, there's no 64bit version
2014-10-07T19:51:02 < englishman> :P
2014-10-07T19:51:09 < gxti> of course 64bit arm does exist too :p
2014-10-07T19:51:16 < qyx_> i took me a while to understand this question
2014-10-07T19:51:21 < englishman> does that make a difference in linux
2014-10-07T19:51:22 < gxti> but you'd use a full toolchain for that anyway
2014-10-07T19:51:32 < hjf_> Error: Program "make" not found in PATH
2014-10-07T19:51:36 < hjf_> here we go again...sigh
2014-10-07T19:51:37 < qyx_> yes, you have to install ia32libs
2014-10-07T19:51:39 < gxti> well, it means you need 32bit libs installed that you might not otherwise need
2014-10-07T19:51:56 < gxti> but that's just part of life
2014-10-07T19:52:00 < englishman> in 64bit linux install
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2014-10-07T19:52:36 < hjf_> so this launchpad thing doesn't include make
2014-10-07T19:52:38 < hjf_> how convenient
2014-10-07T19:52:48 < hjf_> because everyone on windows has make
2014-10-07T19:53:21 < englishman> oh yeah i installed GnuWin32 for that
2014-10-07T19:53:30 < englishman> ... i think
2014-10-07T19:53:43 < hjf_> there is yagarto tools, which only includes make
2014-10-07T19:54:47 < qyx_> http://serverfault.com/questions/373724/how-to-install-gnu-make-in-windows-7
2014-10-07T19:54:49 < qyx_> lolled
2014-10-07T19:55:38 < Steffanx> :D
2014-10-07T19:55:50 < hjf_> yeah i have a problem with that website
2014-10-07T19:56:04 < hjf_> it's where nerds go and bully people
2014-10-07T19:56:20 < hjf_> eh i guess lkml is like that too
2014-10-07T19:56:28 < Steffanx> and ##stm32
2014-10-07T19:56:32 < hjf_> at least linus is buff and can take someone down
2014-10-07T19:56:35 < Steffanx> and ##electronics
2014-10-07T19:56:56 < Steffanx> wut? mr lunix is the greatest bully of them all.
2014-10-07T19:57:05 < englishman> hmm where is make.exe
2014-10-07T19:57:11 < hjf_> but most of the idiots being jackasses on stackexchange are poor, sad little shits
2014-10-07T19:57:23 < gxti> ok
2014-10-07T19:57:33 < hjf_> try and give an answer like that in real life, outside the googleplex and see what happens
2014-10-07T19:58:46 < qyx_> ok, going back offtopic, any nice board-to-board 90° connector?
2014-10-07T19:58:55 < hjf_> sbrkr.c:(.text._sbrk_r+0xc): undefined reference to `_sbrk'
2014-10-07T19:58:57 < qyx_> ~20pins
2014-10-07T19:58:59 < hjf_> fuck this shit
2014-10-07T19:59:04 < qyx_> hjf_: include syscalls.c
2014-10-07T19:59:11 < qyx_> in the makefile
2014-10-07T19:59:26 < englishman> hjf_: so have you downloaded keil yet
2014-10-07T19:59:37 < qyx_>        $(CHIBIOS)/os/various/syscalls.c \
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2014-10-07T20:00:38 < hjf_> englishman: is keil gcc in disguise?
2014-10-07T20:00:45 < englishman> ha no
2014-10-07T20:00:47 < qyx_> its super pro
2014-10-07T20:00:49 < gxti> no, keil is Real Pro Software used by Real Pro EEs
2014-10-07T20:00:57 < englishman> ^
2014-10-07T20:01:02 < englishman> all pro IRC EEs use keil
2014-10-07T20:01:06 < hjf_> yeah then it won't work
2014-10-07T20:01:09 < englishman> cuz its just so pro
2014-10-07T20:01:16 < hjf_> because open source is just so fucking full of GCCisms
2014-10-07T20:01:26 < englishman> if you want to add rtos? just check a box and it pulls in freertos
2014-10-07T20:01:35 < Steffanx> compiled by real armcc
2014-10-07T20:02:19 < qyx_> hjf_: is it compiling now?
2014-10-07T20:02:28 < hjf_> qyx_: yes but now it's not working =D
2014-10-07T20:02:39 < qyx_> reat
2014-10-07T20:02:42 < qyx_> g*
2014-10-07T20:03:39 < qyx_> also
2014-10-07T20:03:42 < hjf_> so does armcc work with shitty linux fanboy code?
2014-10-07T20:03:56 < hjf_> cause i havee that problem all the time with PICs and their sucky C18 compiler
2014-10-07T20:04:03 < qyx_> i think that by default printf uses semihosting to actually print something
2014-10-07T20:04:13 < hjf_> which does not work with GCCisms
2014-10-07T20:04:29 < hjf_> c18 sucks so bad it doesn't even have printf
2014-10-07T20:04:43 < qyx_> should it have?
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2014-10-07T20:05:08 < hjf_> qyx_: i dont know. do you find yoursel often in the need of printing a float variable over the serial port?
2014-10-07T20:05:20 < qyx_> no, thats why i am asking
2014-10-07T20:05:27 < hjf_>  "%.2f"  -> fuck u lolhaha
2014-10-07T20:05:29 < gxti> not on 8 bit micros :p
2014-10-07T20:05:44 < hjf_> whats wrong with 8 bit micros\
2014-10-07T20:05:46 < hjf_> like
2014-10-07T20:05:51 < hjf_> pic18 even has ethernet
2014-10-07T20:05:58 < hjf_> but ethernet PHY not this MII faggotry
2014-10-07T20:05:58 < gxti> memory segmentation
2014-10-07T20:06:37 < hjf_> gxti: that's not my problem. that's my compiler's problem, and i shouldn't care about that
2014-10-07T20:06:44 < gxti> you seem really upset about things in general
2014-10-07T20:06:46 < hjf_> maybe if i was crazy about performance
2014-10-07T20:06:49 < gxti> maybe try yoga
2014-10-07T20:13:57 < hjf_> how do i make eclipse or gdb or whatever debug only one thread? one of them is hanging so my code just seems to be stuck in idle
2014-10-07T20:18:23 < madis_> threads ? in ##stm32 ?
2014-10-07T20:20:03 < gxti> madis_: why not?
2014-10-07T20:20:15 < gxti> RTOS have threads.
2014-10-07T20:20:27 < madis_> I did not know that.
2014-10-07T20:20:32 < gxti> that's what RTOS does.
2014-10-07T20:20:36 < madis_> no
2014-10-07T20:21:04 < gxti> otherwise it's just a peripheral library.
2014-10-07T20:24:00 < madis_> hjf_: what thread library are you using ?
2014-10-07T20:24:27 < Steffanx> madis_ go troll your ##electronics friends and get kicked agian.
2014-10-07T20:24:37 < madis_> Steffanx: not trolling
2014-10-07T20:24:42 < Steffanx> ok, im sorry.
2014-10-07T20:25:27 < hjf_> madis_: the one that comes with chibios?
2014-10-07T20:26:47 < hjf_> but i dunno why i can't return from socket_fd = socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0);
2014-10-07T20:27:20 < hjf_> i have 3 threads, one just does while(1) {if (something) {...} else {yield thread}}
2014-10-07T20:27:23 < hjf_> does that make sense?
2014-10-07T20:27:33 < gxti> what networking library are you using?
2014-10-07T20:27:39 < hjf_> lwip
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2014-10-07T20:28:05 < hjf_> it works when i disable the thread that does while(1)
2014-10-07T20:28:21 < hjf_> dunno if it's a malloc thing
2014-10-07T20:29:03 < gxti> i typically just start from the beginning and put a breakpoint in the thread i want. i was using a wierd rtos for a while (coos) with a weird debugger (blackmagic probe) so i haven't yet looked into good tools now that i'm using an actually popular rtos.
2014-10-07T20:29:08 < qyx_> how do you initialize the whole thinG?
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2014-10-07T20:33:45 < Tectu> hjf_, there is #chibios
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2014-10-07T21:35:50 < bvernoux> hi
2014-10-07T21:36:10 < bvernoux> I have some news for STM32 MCU
2014-10-07T21:36:35 < bvernoux> soon Bus Pirate protocol will be available and rewritten from scratch for HydraBus firmware which is fully open source
2014-10-07T21:36:46 < bvernoux> I hope that will help lot of developer/tester...
2014-10-07T21:38:02 < Tectu> dat advertisement from this french guy
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2014-10-07T21:43:34 < BrainDamage> I'm impressed not a single ;) was given, in sigrok there was one at the end of every 2nd line for ~1 page
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2014-10-07T21:44:44 < Tectu> BrainDamage, from him? :D
2014-10-07T21:46:58 < jpa-> yes ;)
2014-10-07T21:47:05 < gxti> ;)
2014-10-07T21:48:18 < Steffanx> http://stopcyberbullying.org/
2014-10-07T21:48:25 < bvernoux> Tectu: world will see the real power of a little STM32 soon ;)
2014-10-07T21:48:46 < Tectu> lol'd hard @ Steffanx
2014-10-07T21:48:49 < bvernoux> I hope lot of user which have played with Arduino will move to something more serious like STM32 ...
2014-10-07T21:49:24 < jadew> bvernoux, what bus pirate protocol?
2014-10-07T21:49:30 < jadew> bvernoux, you mean like my project?
2014-10-07T21:49:38 < jadew> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/proto-talk/x/8683663
2014-10-07T21:49:38 < Tectu> jadew, oh why do you have to ask... for god sake
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2014-10-07T21:50:03 < Tectu> 18k$ ?!
2014-10-07T21:50:17 < jadew> Tectu, it's not worth it otherwise
2014-10-07T21:50:37 < bvernoux> jadew: ha yes your project is new
2014-10-07T21:51:02 < bvernoux> jadew: I have started HydraBus 2 years ago and it is available since 1 month on seeedstudio
2014-10-07T21:51:06 < Tectu> bvernoux, is that the 'mine is better because everybody is forced to hear from it every 2nd day?' line?
2014-10-07T21:51:14 < Tectu> bvernoux, yes, you got the bigger penis.
2014-10-07T21:51:26 < Tectu> jadew, actually quite interesting, tho
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2014-10-07T21:51:37 < bvernoux> I just hope community will do cool stuff
2014-10-07T21:51:43 < bvernoux> it is why all is open source
2014-10-07T21:51:44 < jadew> Tectu, thanks, it's a pretty neat implementation
2014-10-07T21:51:48 < Tectu> jadew, can I get one like now without waiting for the campaign to fail? :D
2014-10-07T21:51:53 < Tectu> jadew, I am very interested
2014-10-07T21:52:05 < Tectu> bvernoux, open source usually ends up with not being cool :D
2014-10-07T21:52:11 < Tectu> but that's just IMHO, tho
2014-10-07T21:52:35 < jadew> Tectu, the reason I didn't go for lower is because I don't want to support a few users only
2014-10-07T21:52:47 < Tectu> jadew, I understand
2014-10-07T21:52:56 < bvernoux> jadew: have you done some code ?
2014-10-07T21:52:59 < jadew> if it fails, I'll send you one at very reduced price if you're willing to live with the updates I'm making for myself
2014-10-07T21:53:02 < Tectu> jadew, just out of personal interested - how did you decide the kickstarter vs. indigogog?
2014-10-07T21:53:12 < jadew> bvernoux, it's pretty much ready, check the gallery
2014-10-07T21:53:19 < Tectu> jadew, I am willing ;-)
2014-10-07T21:53:39 < jadew> Tectu, it wasn't hard, kickstarter doesn't work in my country :)
2014-10-07T21:53:45 < bvernoux> ha yes very similar to bus pirate
2014-10-07T21:53:57 < Tectu> jadew, uhm, what country is that and how comes? :D
2014-10-07T21:54:11 < gxti> kickstarter only supports, like, two countries last i checked.
2014-10-07T21:54:19 < jadew> Tectu, Romania
2014-10-07T21:54:25 < bvernoux> hmm closed source
2014-10-07T21:54:27 < jadew> gxti, 3 I think at the moment
2014-10-07T21:54:35 < gxti> wow such growth
2014-10-07T21:54:44 < gxti> they'll take over the world by 2035.
2014-10-07T21:54:53 < bvernoux> fw closed source I do not think it is the best way ...
2014-10-07T21:55:31 < jadew> bvernoux, opensource usually means "let the users do it"
2014-10-07T21:55:51 < bvernoux> jadew: not really you own the github repo
2014-10-07T21:55:58 < bvernoux> you can reject commits
2014-10-07T21:56:07 < jadew> lol, that's the point, you expect commits
2014-10-07T21:56:29 < Tectu> jadew, you can do it like I tend to do it: keep the source open but don't make your project open source :D
2014-10-07T21:56:37 < bvernoux> If the API is well done i do not think there is any problems
2014-10-07T21:56:39 < bvernoux> like plugins
2014-10-07T21:57:01 < jadew> Tectu, there'll be an SDK, with open examples
2014-10-07T21:57:03 < qyx_> i can smell another ideological argument
2014-10-07T21:57:31 < gxti> there are no right answers
2014-10-07T21:58:04 < bvernoux> Anyway I can understand closed stuff when you work tons of hours ...
2014-10-07T21:58:11 < Tectu> gxti, there might be no right ones, but there certainly are wrong ones LOL
2014-10-07T21:58:16 < Tectu> (kidding... obviously)
2014-10-07T21:58:23 < gxti> sure there are wrong ones :p
2014-10-07T21:59:09 < jadew> bvernoux, my project seems like it's going to fail
2014-10-07T21:59:24 < jadew> I guess you'll have the market to yourself :P
2014-10-07T21:59:33 < jadew> so... what does hydrabus do? exactly
2014-10-07T21:59:42 < bvernoux> jadew: see hydrabus.com
2014-10-07T21:59:50 < bvernoux> jadew: It does NFC sniffer in fact too
2014-10-07T22:00:09 < bvernoux> main board is just basic
2014-10-07T22:00:15 < Tectu> jadew, you clearly failed to work on an aggressive advertisement campaing. I am sure you would have succeeded otherwise ;-)
2014-10-07T22:00:16 < jadew> so it's like an arduino?
2014-10-07T22:00:30 < Tectu> only right answer to that question: Yes it is
2014-10-07T22:00:38 < qyx_> .com?
2014-10-07T22:00:39 < BrainDamage> let's just all switch to hydrairc license
2014-10-07T22:00:42 < jadew> Tectu, I know, what's surprising is that every 10 unique visits someone funds it, which is huge
2014-10-07T22:00:51 < jadew> but I'm not getting many visits :P
2014-10-07T22:00:54 < bvernoux> yes it needs agressive marketing
2014-10-07T22:00:57 < jadew> mainly because I can't get myself to spam
2014-10-07T22:01:11 < Tectu> bvernoux, I bet you could write a book about aggressive and annoying marketing.
2014-10-07T22:01:21 < bvernoux> for me it is different as I do not really want to gain money with HydraBus
2014-10-07T22:01:23 < Steffanx> in french
2014-10-07T22:01:26 < Tectu> through unwanted communications channels
2014-10-07T22:01:29 < gxti> with lots of winkies
2014-10-07T22:01:30 < Tectu> Steffanx, lol'd
2014-10-07T22:01:37 < jadew> bvernoux, so why are you making it?
2014-10-07T22:01:40 < Tectu> bvernoux, then stop annoying everybody every 2nd day
2014-10-07T22:01:44 < jadew> and why do you advertise it then?
2014-10-07T22:01:58 < jadew> I want to make money with my product and I don't advertise it as much
2014-10-07T22:01:59 < bvernoux> jadew: to have tools I do not have and to share it with other developers and maybe some will contribute too ...
2014-10-07T22:02:11 < Tectu> jadew, well, I'd have to sign up in order to found you... I hope you are not too offended if I don't as this will clearly not get founded
2014-10-07T22:02:21 < jadew> Tectu, no worries
2014-10-07T22:02:46 < bvernoux> jadew: anyway my product is developped since 2 years I have worked long months on it in background for cost size ...
2014-10-07T22:02:55 < Tectu> interesting... from my obvervation bvernoux does the marketing for what jadew tries to archive while jadew does the marketing for what bvernoux wants to archive.
2014-10-07T22:04:03 < jadew> bvernoux, is it an arduino clone or not?
2014-10-07T22:04:10 < bvernoux> jadew: of course it is not
2014-10-07T22:04:12 < Tectu> gxti, do you think that dongs has a hilight on hydrairc?
2014-10-07T22:04:13 < jadew> cuz I was under the impression that you said bus pirate earlier?
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2014-10-07T22:04:18 < bvernoux> it is not compatible with arduino
2014-10-07T22:04:27 < jadew> got it, but the same principle?
2014-10-07T22:04:34 < gxti> Tectu: wat
2014-10-07T22:04:37 < bvernoux> extension will be NOT arduino but some specific stuff not existing like the 1st for NFC
2014-10-07T22:04:44 < Tectu> gxti, you don't remember dongs anti-hydrairc license?
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2014-10-07T22:05:03 < Tectu> yeah, as there wouldn't any NFC aurdino shield exist...
2014-10-07T22:05:07 < englishman> haha
2014-10-07T22:05:18 < bvernoux> Tectu: no anyone who have feature of TRF7970A
2014-10-07T22:05:20 < Tectu> google only yields 200'000 results
2014-10-07T22:05:35 < bvernoux> Tectu: try to sniff NFC in realtime with any arduino ;)
2014-10-07T22:05:40 < Tectu> so you create an entire dev platform just because there is no shield using a specific controller?
2014-10-07T22:06:01 < bvernoux> because I want to have power and compact board with lot of IO for anything
2014-10-07T22:06:11 < bvernoux> and because BusPirate was too limited on this area
2014-10-07T22:06:22 < bvernoux> especially high speed signal/protocols
2014-10-07T22:06:22 < Tectu> there are like already 1000000 different solutions like that
2014-10-07T22:06:24 < jadew> bus pirate is completely different than what you have
2014-10-07T22:06:43 < jadew> bvernoux, do you have at least switchable output levels?
2014-10-07T22:06:44 < Tectu> even every 2nd ARM and FPGA dev board has arduino headers these days
2014-10-07T22:07:10 < bvernoux> jadew: HydraBus is a BASE board after you add specialized extension for what you want
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2014-10-07T22:07:16 < jadew> bvernoux, I bet you'd love if my project was open source, right?
2014-10-07T22:07:31 < bvernoux> jadew: basicly the base board can do like BusPirate but limited to 3.3V output
2014-10-07T22:07:50 < qyx_> ok, now i am going to check, what hydrabus actually is
2014-10-07T22:07:51 < Tectu> bvernoux, you always seem to target NFC sniffing but how comes you create an open development platform then?
2014-10-07T22:08:06 < bvernoux> Tectu: NFC is 1 application
2014-10-07T22:08:15 < Tectu> qyx_, don't. Otherwise he thinkgs that his annyoing advertisement here and on forums is successful and he'll continue
2014-10-07T22:08:21 < gxti> it's really hard to say something snarky when i don't really care about any of the people arguing
2014-10-07T22:08:25 < qyx_> hm, i see blue board
2014-10-07T22:08:28 < Tectu> bvernoux, it's funny because every 2nd sentence about HydraBus is NFC
2014-10-07T22:08:28 < qyx_> like those from ebay
2014-10-07T22:08:31 < qyx_> with stm32 on it
2014-10-07T22:08:37 < qyx_> is there anything special?
2014-10-07T22:08:45 < Tectu> qyx_, yes, it's is HydraBus
2014-10-07T22:08:49 < Steffanx> just say it gxti
2014-10-07T22:08:58 < bvernoux> Tectu: you are too agressive today take something
2014-10-07T22:08:59 < gxti> i don't have anything to say
2014-10-07T22:09:00 < Tectu> qyx_, ultra open sorez with lots of advertisement
2014-10-07T22:09:00 < qyx_> linear regulator, 2.54mm headers
2014-10-07T22:09:05 < bvernoux> i'm not here to fight with people
2014-10-07T22:09:25 < Tectu> qyx_, note that it only took 2 years to come up with that. I bet chinese had to work longer on that one
2014-10-07T22:09:33 < Steffanx> does gxti care about anyone in here?
2014-10-07T22:09:36 < Steffanx> probably not
2014-10-07T22:09:40 < gxti> i care about you, mr Steffanx
2014-10-07T22:09:40 < Tectu> gxti, cares about me
2014-10-07T22:09:43 < Steffanx> w00t
2014-10-07T22:09:49 < bvernoux> Tectu: i do that in background what is you problem?
2014-10-07T22:10:49 < Tectu> bvernoux, 1. you are super annoying    2. you don't see that everybody is just laughing about you for years and you don't seem to get it    3. you talk down other peoples projects (the one from jadew) saying stuff like "ah, your project is newer so no good" and shit
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2014-10-07T22:11:34 < Tectu> bvernoux, do what ever you like to do but stop being annoying with all your advertisement and I won't care anymore
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2014-10-07T22:12:09 < jadew> Tectu, well, I'm told advertisement helps a lot :)
2014-10-07T22:12:18 < Steffanx> Be nice Tectu, be nice :P
2014-10-07T22:12:30 < Tectu> jadew, there are boundries ;-)
2014-10-07T22:12:33 < bvernoux> jadew: anyway good project I hoep more project with STM32 will appear
2014-10-07T22:12:57 < Tectu> as if there aren't already three bilions. Do you ever open your web browser?
2014-10-07T22:13:10 < Tectu> you talk like there are only 10 STM32 projects on the interwebs
2014-10-07T22:13:11 < bvernoux> Tectu: stop and go to bed you are tired
2014-10-07T22:13:20 < jadew> bvernoux, tbh, I think there's a real market for yours, but I believe you have to put "duino" in there somewhere
2014-10-07T22:13:26 < jadew> that's what all the fuss is about
2014-10-07T22:13:36 < bvernoux> jadew: I do not want to put duino like 99% of project
2014-10-07T22:13:49 < jadew> bvernoux, 99% of the projects succeed because of that
2014-10-07T22:14:10 < bvernoux> jadew: yes even ST and others say Arduino ... :(
2014-10-07T22:14:19 < Tectu> Altera <3
2014-10-07T22:14:20 < Tectu> Olimex <3
2014-10-07T22:14:23 < Tectu> all about duino :)
2014-10-07T22:14:44 < gxti> i bought an olinuxino once but i cringed when i did it
2014-10-07T22:14:53 < gxti> it caused me physical pain
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2014-10-07T22:15:08 < gxti> luckily it was obsolete almost immediately because of beaglebone.
2014-10-07T22:15:19 < Steffanx> no rpi?
2014-10-07T22:15:36 < bvernoux> even if Arduino is a very good plateform for people which have no background in C ... to start learning embedded stuff
2014-10-07T22:15:41 < gxti> no, i refuse to give broadcom any more money than  i have to
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2014-10-07T22:15:56 < Tectu> gxti, context?
2014-10-07T22:16:05 < bvernoux> BeagleBone is no arduino and they sell millions ;)
2014-10-07T22:16:28 < bvernoux> and it is an amazin plateform for the price really better than RPi or any Arduino
2014-10-07T22:16:32 < gxti> the cpu on rpi is broadcom trash
2014-10-07T22:16:52 < Tectu> gxti, I know. But what horrible experiences lead to your statement?
2014-10-07T22:17:08 < bvernoux> jadew: an advice add micropython in your project
2014-10-07T22:17:15 < bvernoux> jadew: it will became a must have
2014-10-07T22:17:25 < Tectu> o.O
2014-10-07T22:17:32 < jadew> bvernoux, I'm not a python fan, I'm an actual software developer
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2014-10-07T22:17:44 < Tectu> THAHAHAHA, this goes to my   ~/awesome_quotes.txt
2014-10-07T22:17:44 < GargantuaSauce> shots fired
2014-10-07T22:17:52 < gxti> i *am* a python fan and an actual software developer, and i still think micropython is pointless
2014-10-07T22:18:11 < bvernoux> gxti: how can you say that
2014-10-07T22:18:30 < Tectu> gxti, rule Nr. 24:   Never question gxti
2014-10-07T22:18:31 < jadew> bvernoux, complex scripting on a MCU is crippleing
2014-10-07T22:19:39 < bvernoux> for me it is just a better alternative vs Arduino sketch
2014-10-07T22:19:52 < bvernoux> simpler and faster with immediate result
2014-10-07T22:20:25 < bvernoux> of course you will do not do hard realtime stuff but just similar stuff or even more than what there is on arduino with sketch
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2014-10-07T22:20:55 < jadew> bvernoux, if you offer the users the option to shoot themselves in the foot, they will
2014-10-07T22:20:56 < gxti> Tectu: broadcom hides behind NDAs and has had all sorts of asinine lunix driver issues before for NICs and stuff. and the one in RPI is basically just some obsolete crap they got cheap.
2014-10-07T22:21:33 < gxti> if you're going to make a top-of-the-line cellphone, use a fancy soc with no public datasheet. if you're going to make a learning platform that's about the dumbest shit you can choose.
2014-10-07T22:21:54 < Tectu> agreed
2014-10-07T22:21:58 < Tectu> time for the reboot
2014-10-07T22:22:08 < gxti> their idea of open-sourcing the video driver is to put out a bunch of stubs with no actual code
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2014-10-07T22:22:40 < bvernoux> gxti: like in Android stuff ;)
2014-10-07T22:22:43 < gxti> granted i think that was mostly limited to 3d accel
2014-10-07T22:23:12 < RaYmAn> I doubt they implemented those stubs just to avoid releasing "actual code"
2014-10-07T22:23:13 < bvernoux> gxti: especially like radio in phone all is blob
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2014-10-07T22:23:38 < gxti> which i grudgingly accept for a highly integrated device like a cellphone. but not something that is trying to teach kids electronics.
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2014-10-07T22:24:29 < gxti> anyway, enough about this
2014-10-07T22:25:24 < Tectu> nevar
2014-10-07T22:27:27 < jadew> gxti, the problem with python is that there's too much hype in the wrong crowd
2014-10-07T22:27:53 < jadew> I had some issues once with some python libraries not compiling because the API changed (arch linux) so I decided to fix them
2014-10-07T22:28:11 < jadew> aside from the fact that the code was... horrific, I found 2 bugs while scrolling through the code
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2014-10-07T22:28:47 < PaulFertser> gxti: broadcom is opening up for real, afaict: http://libv.livejournal.com/26434.html
2014-10-07T22:30:00 < gxti> that may be fair, i haven't looked so closely because i don't have one
2014-10-07T22:31:53 < PaulFertser> libv is the one reversing Mali (ARM's video core), and he's been in video driver development for many years.
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2014-10-07T23:03:22 < freefox> hi, I'm trying to link the STemWin library to my gcc project, but it says "arm-none-eabi-ld: region `RAM' overflowed by 1903596 bytes", how can I make this fit in?
2014-10-07T23:03:47 < freefox> it's the /STM32Cube_FW_F4_V1.3.0//Middlewares/ST/STemWin/Lib/STemWin524b_CM4_GCC.a file
2014-10-07T23:03:52 < freefox> that's too big
2014-10-07T23:05:03 < Thorn> pretty sure you can't fit 2 megs of RAM into any stm32 unless you have external ram
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2014-10-07T23:06:50 < freefox> is there a way to only link certain necessary portions?
2014-10-07T23:06:56 < englishman> beaglebone has sold millions?
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2014-10-07T23:07:14 < bvernoux> freefox: extract the lib .o
2014-10-07T23:07:18 < freefox> I mean how else can I make STemWin work?
2014-10-07T23:07:23 < bvernoux> freefox: and link only the .o you want
2014-10-07T23:07:42 < Thorn> I think the linker does that automatically
2014-10-07T23:07:50 < bvernoux> yes it should
2014-10-07T23:08:01 < bvernoux> if the lib was compiled correctly
2014-10-07T23:08:15 < bvernoux> to have separate code/data section per function
2014-10-07T23:08:20 < bvernoux> else it cannot
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2014-10-07T23:11:06 < freefox> I extracted the .a file but there are hundreds of .o files in it, you sure there isn't an easier way?
2014-10-07T23:11:08 < Thorn> freefox: you should use objdump / readelf to find out which .o is taking up so much ram
2014-10-07T23:11:45 < Thorn> on your .elf image that is
2014-10-07T23:12:29 < freefox> I'm not getting an elf file right now because of this error
2014-10-07T23:13:13 < freefox> and this guy just used LIBS = GUI/Lib/STemWin522_CM4_GCC.a in his Makefile and doesn't seem to have any problems with it
2014-10-07T23:13:41 < freefox> with this project http://en.radzio.dxp.pl/stm32f429idiscovery/starting,with,stemwin,library.html
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2014-10-07T23:14:59 < freefox> this is the same problem as mine, he said he solved it but I don't understand what he did http://www.coocox.org/forum/topic.php?id=3540
2014-10-07T23:15:07 < freefox> something about namespace
2014-10-07T23:15:14 < PaulFertser> Thorn: if --gc-sections is used, yes, automatically.
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2014-10-07T23:17:18 < freefox> PaulFertser: I have --gc-sections in both my cflags and ldflags
2014-10-07T23:18:16 < PaulFertser> freefox: to see what really takes up space, you can alter your .ld file to pretend you have plenty of RAM, then generate a map file with objdump and see what was pulled why.
2014-10-07T23:19:52 < freefox> PaulFertser: and then link individual .o files?
2014-10-07T23:20:02 < PaulFertser> freefox: no, of course not
2014-10-07T23:20:28 < PaulFertser> freefox: once you remove references from your code, gc-sections will take care of not linking in the sections you do not need.
2014-10-07T23:21:01 < PaulFertser> You can amuse yourself with --print-gc-sections while at it.
2014-10-07T23:21:32 < zyp> you kinda need -ffunction-sections for it to work, otherwise all functions will be in the same section
2014-10-07T23:21:47 < PaulFertser> Of course.
2014-10-07T23:21:57 < PaulFertser> 00:08 < bvernoux> if the lib was compiled correctly
2014-10-07T23:21:57 < PaulFertser> 00:08 < bvernoux> to have separate code/data section per function
2014-10-07T23:22:31 < freefox> -f may not be used without -shared, what does this mean?
2014-10-07T23:22:44 < bvernoux> PaulFertser: ?
2014-10-07T23:23:04 < bvernoux> yes there is option to separate each function 1 section per function for optimal link
2014-10-07T23:23:13 < bvernoux> else it link full obj
2014-10-07T23:23:24 < gxti> freefox: -ffunction-sections is a compile argument, not link
2014-10-07T23:23:41 < gxti> freefox: you have to compile your intermediate objects that way in order for the linker to be able to discard functions
2014-10-07T23:23:42 < bvernoux> yes link options are pretty limited
2014-10-07T23:23:55 < bvernoux> and i doubt you have source code to rebuild the lib
2014-10-07T23:24:08 < freefox> gxti: I see
2014-10-07T23:24:44 < PaulFertser> bvernoux: just cited you to confirm the -ffunction-sections was already (indirectly) mentioned.
2014-10-07T23:24:47 < freefox> --print-gc-sections is showing many removed sections
2014-10-07T23:25:12 < bvernoux> also obj can be dissected to do it manually but good luck ;)
2014-10-07T23:25:32 < bvernoux> IdaPro can help ...
2014-10-07T23:25:59 < freefox> do I need to change RAM (xrw)       : ORIGIN = 0x20000000, LENGTH = 192K in the ld file?
2014-10-07T23:26:02 < freefox> or the FLASH?
2014-10-07T23:26:08 < bvernoux> to reverse asm code and add a section for each function ;)
2014-10-07T23:26:26 < gxti> winky winky ;)
2014-10-07T23:26:49 < PaulFertser> freefox: RAM if linker complains about RAM
2014-10-07T23:27:01 < Thorn> freefox: RAM LENGTH=100M
2014-10-07T23:27:09 < freefox> ok changing RAM did it
2014-10-07T23:27:24 < freefox> I have an elf now
2014-10-07T23:27:54 < zyp> functions don't consume ram, so garbage collecting functions won't help
2014-10-07T23:28:20 < PaulFertser> What if those functions have static data?
2014-10-07T23:28:39 < freefox> my .bss is too big for some reason
2014-10-07T23:28:40 < PaulFertser> Or just reference static data?
2014-10-07T23:28:57 < zyp> fair point
2014-10-07T23:28:58 < gxti> freefox: a mapfile will tell you what is taking up all the ram
2014-10-07T23:29:10 < gxti> the linker can make you one.
2014-10-07T23:29:13 < zyp> you still need to garbage collect the static data sections too
2014-10-07T23:29:16 < zyp> -fdata-sections
2014-10-07T23:29:19 < gxti> you can also do it from the elf with readelf -s
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2014-10-07T23:29:38 < bvernoux> zyp: function can consume ram depending on linker for very fast execution
2014-10-07T23:30:24 < freefox> gxti: what am I looking for in readelf -s?
2014-10-07T23:30:25 < gxti> it's not going to do that on its own...
2014-10-07T23:30:39 < zyp> bvernoux, not unless told to
2014-10-07T23:31:01 < gxti> freefox: i use this little script https://github.com/mtharp/laureline-firmware/blob/master/util/elf_usage.py
2014-10-07T23:31:29 < gxti> freefox: 'python2 elf_usage.py your.elf' will list the biggest objects in ram, add a '1' and it will list the biggest objects in flash
2014-10-07T23:32:14 < PaulFertser> bvernoux: yes, or sometimes functions need to be placed in RAM to be able to write to flash on some particular mcu.
2014-10-07T23:33:38 < freefox> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '0x200000', line 29
2014-10-07T23:33:44 < freefox> now I'm getting python errors :)
2014-10-07T23:34:09 < gxti> guess it doesn't like your readelf
2014-10-07T23:34:12 < bvernoux> PaulFertser: yes even if STM32F4xxx are very good to execute in Flash thanks to 32KB internal cache and 128bits Flash ...
2014-10-07T23:34:37 < gxti> you could try pointing at your arm-none-eabi-readelf, if you have one
2014-10-07T23:34:51 < bvernoux> freefox: I have 010 Editor template for ELF it is better ;)
2014-10-07T23:35:01 < freefox> gxti: my readelf seems to work though
2014-10-07T23:35:23 < gxti> but it doesn't output the format that the script i hacked together in 5 minutes expects
2014-10-07T23:35:30 < gxti> so either try a different tool or fix the script :p
2014-10-07T23:35:57 < freefox> all right :)
2014-10-07T23:36:08 < freefox> awk should work here
2014-10-07T23:36:14 < gxti> or you can just tell ld to output a mapfile, although the formatting in those is pretty atrocious
2014-10-07T23:38:17 < freefox> I did sort -nk3 and nothing seems extraordinarily big
2014-10-07T23:38:23 < freefox> biggest one is 1824
2014-10-07T23:38:31 < freefox> _DrawBitmap
2014-10-07T23:39:38 < bvernoux> freefox: for FULL elf info 010 Editor with http://www.sweetscape.com/010editor/templates/files/ELFTemplate.bt
2014-10-07T23:39:49 < bvernoux> freefox: you can even extract each function ;)
2014-10-07T23:39:59 < bvernoux> and also understand how work ELF
2014-10-07T23:40:23 < bvernoux> it is just an advice
2014-10-07T23:41:05 < bvernoux> i'm not doing any advertising on this sw it is just a good hint for real developers
2014-10-07T23:41:11 < freefox> bvernoux: seems useful, thanks
2014-10-07T23:41:30 < gxti> real pro software developer
2014-10-07T23:41:36 < bvernoux> freefox: the must have is the calculator, it execute in realtime C code too ;)
2014-10-07T23:42:22 < freefox> cool :)
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2014-10-07T23:47:33 < freefox> anyway thanks guys, will look into this later
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2014-10-08T01:54:32 < bezoka> Is good idea to write for arm in assembly2
2014-10-08T01:54:39 < bezoka> ?*
2014-10-08T01:56:20 < englishman> You already asked this
2014-10-08T01:56:25 < qyx_> No.
2014-10-08T01:56:31 < zyp> no, it's mostly a waste of time
2014-10-08T01:56:39 < qyx_> unless you know why you are doint it
2014-10-08T01:57:03 < zyp> yeah, if you need to ask, the answer is no
2014-10-08T01:57:47 < bezoka> So c compilator is very good for arms?
2014-10-08T01:58:15 < zyp> cortex-m is designed to be programmable in all C
2014-10-08T01:58:41 < zyp> and yes, the compiler usually produce more efficient assembly than you can do
2014-10-08T01:59:51 < bezoka> Okay, thanks
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2014-10-08T02:03:02 < gnomad> usually, but not always.
2014-10-08T02:03:37 < gnomad> The common counter-example is when you are taking advantage of the DSPish instructions.
2014-10-08T02:04:47 < gnomad> but then, in most cases, you will be using someone else's DSP library.
2014-10-08T02:05:42 < gnomad> so unless you happen to be writing a DSP library (or something like it) the answer is still probably no.
2014-10-08T02:06:26 < zyp> you still don't have to write assembly, you'd just use intrinsics
2014-10-08T02:06:28 < gnomad> but that also doesn't mean you don't need to know assembly.
2014-10-08T02:06:41 < zyp> true
2014-10-08T02:07:07 < zyp> assembly is very useful to know, I read a lot of assembly, I just don't tend to write it myself
2014-10-08T02:07:21 < zyp> since the compiler does it for me
2014-10-08T02:07:37 < gnomad> IMO you should be able to write code in ASM for any processor you are working with, but you should only do so when absolutely necessary -- which is generally not very often.
2014-10-08T02:08:02 < zyp> gnomad, how able is able?
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2014-10-08T02:08:26 < bezoka> Okay, I write for avr in assembly, but I heard i
2014-10-08T02:08:42 < bezoka> For arms compilators is better
2014-10-08T02:08:44 < zyp> with an mnemonic cheatsheet I can write for anything
2014-10-08T02:09:04 < gnomad> there is a *huge* range of arm chips.
2014-10-08T02:09:34 < zyp> gnomad, and the nice thing is unified assembly so it doesn't matter much! ;)
2014-10-08T02:09:36 < gnomad> When you are dealing with a chip with long pipelines, the compiler can almost always out-optiize the human
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2014-10-08T02:10:14 < gnomad> well, there are *numerous* different versions of the ARM instruction set.
2014-10-08T02:10:14 < zyp> the compiler usually does a better job with register allocation too
2014-10-08T02:10:46 < gnomad> but it is keeping the pipeline going that really helps you on the high-end arm parts.
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2014-10-08T02:11:18 < gnomad> and that is not nearly as important on the cortex parts without much of a pipeline
2014-10-08T02:11:24 < zyp> not really that relevant in cortex-m context :)
2014-10-08T02:11:29 < gnomad> exactly.
2014-10-08T02:11:40 < zyp> well, with m7 it's becoming increasingly more relevant
2014-10-08T02:11:47 < gnomad> indeed.
2014-10-08T02:12:10 < gnomad> my point in the importance of qualifying bezoka's statement.
2014-10-08T02:12:41 < zyp> it doesn't really change anything
2014-10-08T02:12:50 < zyp> the compiler will beat you on any modern ARM
2014-10-08T02:12:55 < gnomad> referring to: bezoka> For arms compilators is better
2014-10-08T02:12:57 < zyp> long pipeline or not
2014-10-08T02:18:14 < gnomad> perhaps.  The difference certainly widens as you move towards more advanced parts.
2014-10-08T02:19:46 < zyp> you're still wasting your time :)
2014-10-08T02:19:53 < gnomad> agrees
2014-10-08T02:19:55 < zyp> my time tend to be more worth than cpu time
2014-10-08T02:19:56 < gnomad> agreed.
2014-10-08T02:20:32 < gnomad> which is why you only optimize to ASM if you absolutely need to.
2014-10-08T02:21:21 < zyp> yep
2014-10-08T02:21:38 < gxti> i still don't know much arm assembly. it's hard to learn things i never use...
2014-10-08T02:21:49 < zyp> after profiling to figure out exactly where it matters
2014-10-08T02:22:07 < zyp> gxti, you don't even read it?
2014-10-08T02:22:09 < jadew> zyp, are there any profilers out there?
2014-10-08T02:22:26 < jadew> or you mean profiling "by hand"
2014-10-08T02:22:26 < gnomad> and then you look at the code the compiler generates and think if you can find a way to improve upon it.
2014-10-08T02:22:32 < gxti> sure, sometimes i have it thrust in front of me while debugging or reading a listing. but it's just a gist.
2014-10-08T02:22:38 < zyp> jadew, I'm talking in general terms
2014-10-08T02:22:52 < jadew> zyp, ah I see
2014-10-08T02:22:55 < zyp> I'm sure there are profilers out there, but I haven't used any myself
2014-10-08T02:23:18 < gnomad> One of the best profiling tools for embedded dev is toggling a pin and connecting up your scope or logic analyer.
2014-10-08T02:23:37 < zyp> I mean, the trace peripheral has lots of constructs for doing profiling
2014-10-08T02:24:08 < jadew> yeah, LeelooMinai is doing some nice stuff with that
2014-10-08T02:24:30 < gxti> i know what half the mnenomics mean, what the important registers are (at least it's easier to remember than intel) etc. but none of the details or constraints.
2014-10-08T02:24:32 < zyp> and it's not hard to use the cycle counter around a code block to measure the amount of cycles consumed by that block
2014-10-08T02:25:14 < zyp> gxti, sounds like you know what matters then
2014-10-08T02:25:22 < gxti> maybe.
2014-10-08T02:25:47 < zyp> as long as you know how to look up the rest, you're all set ;)
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2014-10-08T03:22:49 < dongs> sup systemd users
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2014-10-08T03:36:47 < jadew> what's systemd?
2014-10-08T03:37:42 < Thorn> hi keil license owner
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2014-10-08T03:54:20 < qyx_> a source of arguments
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2014-10-08T04:09:42 < gxti> like substance D but shittier
2014-10-08T04:12:37 < dongs> < jadew> yeah, LeelooMinai is doing some nice stuff with that
2014-10-08T04:12:38 < dongs> um wat
2014-10-08T04:12:43 < dongs> leoominai doenst do shit
2014-10-08T04:12:50 < dongs> other than manwhore on irc
2014-10-08T04:13:15 < dongs> < zyp> and it's not hard to use the cycle counter around a code block to measure the amount of cycles consumed by that block
2014-10-08T04:13:28 < jadew> she showed me some nice screenshots, looked like a promising start
2014-10-08T04:13:31 < gxti> what have you done lately, dongs?
2014-10-08T04:13:33 < dongs> or if you were using a proper IDE, you just set breakpoint, note cycle counter, break again at end, done
2014-10-08T04:13:37 < dongs> jadew: its a dude..
2014-10-08T04:13:54 < dongs> gxti: not much, mostly trolling
2014-10-08T04:13:55 < jadew> dongs, no, I've seen pictures
2014-10-08T04:13:59 < dongs> going to start on this fpga shit
2014-10-08T04:14:04 < dongs> jadew: pictures on the internet? l o l
2014-10-08T04:15:09 < dongs> gxti: that systemd ranter does it in other places too it seems https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2013-May/011982.html
2014-10-08T04:15:17 < LeelooMinai> dongs seems to be one of those people who think that there are no women/girls on the internet - it says something about him imho
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2014-10-08T04:15:23 < dongs> LeelooMinai, my script has just informed me that you are talking in the channel. I would like to make you aware of the fact that, even though I know you are typing something, any messages from your IP address are removed from my Chat window.
2014-10-08T04:15:33 < qyx_> lolz
2014-10-08T04:16:05 < LeelooMinai> Fail message of the year
2014-10-08T04:16:09 < zyp> 03:13:33 < dongs> or if you were using a proper IDE, you just set breakpoint, note cycle counter, break again at end, done
2014-10-08T04:16:16 < zyp> isn't that exactly what I said?
2014-10-08T04:16:29 < dongs> i thought you meant add it to code
2014-10-08T04:16:37 < zyp> I didn't say that
2014-10-08T04:16:39 < dongs> if you just need to know it once, breakpoint and checking it would wo rk better
2014-10-08T04:16:40 < dongs> ah ok
2014-10-08T04:17:10 < LeelooMinai> Or you could use ITM and do it much more elegantly
2014-10-08T04:18:21 < LeelooMinai> Here's my software that uses ITM and formats messages off-μC: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/15267769128/
2014-10-08T04:19:06 < LeelooMinai> The tracing macrocell on stm's already has hardware to do timestamping, so you get spot on timing information
2014-10-08T04:19:12 < gxti> that's pretty swank
2014-10-08T04:19:48 < LeelooMinai> It's pretty versatile - not only for profiling, but for loging and even graphing whatever you want to graph
2014-10-08T04:20:44 < LeelooMinai> And since formatting (that is printf style) is done on the PC, you just stuff some changing data into tracing registers and do not affect timing of the code too much
2014-10-08T04:21:36 < LeelooMinai> Also, the formating string and all static data is read from the ELF/DWARF info generated by the compiler, so you get all the bells and whistles of the GUI for free and "magically"
2014-10-08T04:21:44 < gxti> using jlink for that? what's the host-side software?
2014-10-08T04:22:18 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I use jlink clone (the cheap one you can buy for $10 from aliexpress) and just attach two SWO output of it (socket that is)
2014-10-08T04:22:46 < LeelooMinai> IN Eclipse, as recently it started supported jlink for debugging - it works much nicer than openocd
2014-10-08T04:22:59 < englishman> <LeelooMinai> dongs seems to be one of those people who think that there are no women/girls on the internet
2014-10-08T04:23:03 < englishman> i dont know how thats relevant
2014-10-08T04:23:06 < englishman> you're a dude
2014-10-08T04:23:09 < gxti> i've tried a few tiems to use openocd + busblaster but it drove me insane
2014-10-08T04:23:21 < dongs> buttblaster
2014-10-08T04:23:22 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Of course, but I am not - what can I say:)
2014-10-08T04:23:25 < gxti> it's not that blackmagic probe is amazing, it's more that it works well enough to not care
2014-10-08T04:23:28 < dongs> keil has proper support for swo + trace stuff
2014-10-08T04:23:41 < englishman> reminds me to hook up swo on my next cloneproj
2014-10-08T04:23:43 < dongs> w/jlink or ulink
2014-10-08T04:23:53 < dongs> ya i usually hook it up when I have pins free
2014-10-08T04:24:24 < LeelooMinai> englishman: You think that only men can use IRC and program? That's pretty arogant of you.
2014-10-08T04:24:31 < englishman> its on a pretty useful pin tho
2014-10-08T04:24:41 < dongs> englishman: right
2014-10-08T04:24:45 < englishman> i have no idea what you're talking about, or how its relevant
2014-10-08T04:25:02 < englishman> Steffanx is a chick
2014-10-08T04:25:11 < englishman> there are chicks on irc
2014-10-08T04:25:19 < LeelooMinai> englishman: ...
2014-10-08T04:25:36 < dongs>  /nick dongie
2014-10-08T04:26:00 < dongs> LeelooMinai: wanna dicktouch??
2014-10-08T04:26:08 < jadew> the real questin is: are there any naked chick on irc?
2014-10-08T04:26:14 < jadew> *chicks
2014-10-08T04:26:21 < LeelooMinai> englishman: You missed dongs being an asshole and insisting I am a man?
2014-10-08T04:26:23 < dongs> jadew: only in romania and other 3rd world places
2014-10-08T04:26:49 < englishman> he's always an asshole, that's not relevant either
2014-10-08T04:27:14 < jadew> romania is not a 3rd world country, it's not super classy either, but that's a different story
2014-10-08T04:27:35 < englishman> by 3rd world places he meant germany
2014-10-08T04:27:59 < dongs> germany loves naked chicks scat
2014-10-08T04:28:00 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Maybe to you it's not relevant - I guess wait unil he targets you:)
2014-10-08T04:28:03 < dongs> so yes
2014-10-08T04:28:17 < englishman> why, i know i'm a dude and i'm not afraid to admit it
2014-10-08T04:28:52 < jadew> do gays or trannies count as chicks or dudes?
2014-10-08T04:28:57 < LeelooMinai> He is afraid to admit it?
2014-10-08T04:28:59 < dongs> jadew: dudes of course
2014-10-08T04:29:12 < dongs> jadew: thre's about 50% chance leepoo is one of those
2014-10-08T04:29:16 < jadew> dongs, I guess it depends on your sexual orientation
2014-10-08T04:29:17 < dongs> but most likely just a dude
2014-10-08T04:29:20 < zyp> why does it even matter?
2014-10-08T04:29:36 < jadew> zyp, because there's nothing else to talk about
2014-10-08T04:29:58 < LeelooMinai> It's offensive - the message is that women cannot be on irc, know something about technical topics, etc.
2014-10-08T04:30:01 < dongs> we cloud talk about systemd
2014-10-08T04:30:12 < jadew> wth is systemd?
2014-10-08T04:30:17 < englishman> it appers you're the only one spreading that message
2014-10-08T04:30:24 < englishman> jadew: nobody knows.
2014-10-08T04:30:29 < englishman> its an octopus of some kind
2014-10-08T04:30:29 < gxti> it is a mystery
2014-10-08T04:31:03 < LeelooMinai> englishman: I am? I mentioned some software, and dongs responded in personal and offensive manner. I don't see how I am the source of this.
2014-10-08T04:31:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, in all honesty, you're an exception to the rule, the rest of the women folk are stupid
2014-10-08T04:31:26 < englishman> some people just attract trolling
2014-10-08T04:31:30 < jadew> it's only natural to be skeptical
2014-10-08T04:31:37 < dongs> someone has their dick out
2014-10-08T04:31:59 < LeelooMinai> jadew: That's pretty offensive statement too...
2014-10-08T04:32:04 < jadew> I know, but it's true
2014-10-08T04:32:26 < LeelooMinai> I could say the same: most "men falk are stupid"
2014-10-08T04:32:32 < jadew> applies to most men as well, but I guess we're winning at the percentage too
2014-10-08T04:32:34 < gxti> most people are stupid
2014-10-08T04:32:35 < jadew> *percentage game
2014-10-08T04:32:38 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I still don't see how your gender is relevant to anything at all
2014-10-08T04:32:45 < GargantuaSauce> 50% of the population is of below average intelligence!!
2014-10-08T04:32:50 < englishman> ^
2014-10-08T04:32:53 < gxti> anyway
2014-10-08T04:33:02 < gxti> about 80% of the people responding don't actually post anything useful here
2014-10-08T04:33:06 < gxti> so there's that
2014-10-08T04:33:10 < LeelooMinai> zyp: dongs makes it relevant
2014-10-08T04:33:16 < englishman> gxti: proud majority
2014-10-08T04:33:19 < englishman> <--
2014-10-08T04:33:26 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I was trying to talk about something on topic and he got personal
2014-10-08T04:33:28 < jadew> LeelooMinai and it's not because women are genetically predisposed to be less smart, it's because they're educated that way
2014-10-08T04:33:32 < jadew> it's their parents fault
2014-10-08T04:33:56 < jadew> and then they go out into the world, become feminists and blame everyone else for their failures
2014-10-08T04:34:08 < jadew> when in fact they should blame their parents for rasing them to be stupid bitches
2014-10-08T04:34:11 < LeelooMinai> Well, maybe if you stepped back and look at yourself you would get a hint why not many woman are on irc
2014-10-08T04:34:14 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and you keep feeding the troll
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2014-10-08T04:34:41 < LeelooMinai> zyp: No, don't let the troll to spread misinformation
2014-10-08T04:34:50 < gxti> which isn't to say that it's your fault that the troll is a fuckass, but it's still unwise
2014-10-08T04:35:10 < gxti> nobody who matters believes the misinformation.
2014-10-08T04:35:17 < LeelooMinai> Sure, I should just sit quiet and let him have his silly "jokes"
2014-10-08T04:35:29 < gxti> because everybody knows he is useless.
2014-10-08T04:35:29 < jadew> personally I think everyone is almost equal at birth and from there it all comes down to parenting
2014-10-08T04:35:29 < LeelooMinai> And be offensive, etc.
2014-10-08T04:35:49 < gxti> anyway
2014-10-08T04:36:18 < LeelooMinai> He creates very hostile environment for new people imho
2014-10-08T04:37:12 < gxti> i mostly chalk that up to lack of moderation, no offense to the moderators
2014-10-08T04:37:17 < LeelooMinai> And by backing him up or clocing an eye on his actions, one sends a message that what he does is ok, and this channel in general is like that
2014-10-08T04:37:21 < gxti> for some reason most electronics channels are poorly moderated
2014-10-08T04:37:42 < dongs> moderation would simply remove the source of the problem
2014-10-08T04:37:50 < jadew> lol
2014-10-08T04:37:52 < LeelooMinai> ...
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2014-10-08T04:38:08 < LeelooMinai> SOunds like a good idea to me
2014-10-08T04:39:28 < LeelooMinai> Anyways, I would talk more about technical topics, and I use stms for my projects, but, you understand how having to listen to responses like dongs deters me from that:)
2014-10-08T04:40:09 < LeelooMinai> But this one time I wanted to say something.
2014-10-08T04:40:39  * LeelooMinai hands back the microphone to dongs - you are bak on, man
2014-10-08T04:40:41 < zyp> you should have kept on saying that instead of diverging into this unproductive discussion
2014-10-08T04:40:55 < zyp> because your trace stuff actually looks interesting and I want to know more about it
2014-10-08T04:44:46 < zyp> LeelooMinai, is it available anywhere?
2014-10-08T04:46:17 < LeelooMinai> zyp: No, I made it for my use mostly - printf style logging kind of bothered me, and then I digged into arm's docs on the tracing hardware and switched from F0 to F3 to play with it.
2014-10-08T04:47:10 < LeelooMinai> I know segger has jtrace probes that would be even nicer, as they can use much faster 4-pin interface, but damn, they are expensive
2014-10-08T04:47:34 < zyp> it looks similar to what I've wanted but never bothered to do myself
2014-10-08T04:47:42 < LeelooMinai> But I may try to figure this part myself, using fpga, if I will have time - my software will pretty much stay the same
2014-10-08T04:47:54 < LeelooMinai> I think jtrace is close to $1k
2014-10-08T04:48:03 < LeelooMinai> And did not see any CHinese clones of it
2014-10-08T04:49:08 < zyp> I were once thinking about doing something like blackmagic probe with a fpga frontend for speeding up the protocol and trace decoding
2014-10-08T04:49:58 < zyp> though, the trace connector is kinda huge and uncommon, so swo is in general more useful
2014-10-08T04:50:07 < jadew> zyp, is there any way to pause execution, check the counter and resume with out affecting the pipeline state?
2014-10-08T04:50:25 < LeelooMinai> Yes, fpga is logical choice for this, though I have to do some tests yet to figure out where all the bottlenecks are
2014-10-08T04:50:37 < zyp> jadew, doesn't breakpoints already do that?
2014-10-08T04:50:52 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what framework is the gui built on?
2014-10-08T04:50:57 < jadew> zyp, I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking
2014-10-08T04:50:57 < LeelooMinai> THough SWO is I think 6Mbps or so max (?)
2014-10-08T04:51:06 < zyp> jadew, I don't know either
2014-10-08T04:51:34 < LeelooMinai> zyp: That's Eclipse platform - basically the same framework that Eclipse itself uses
2014-10-08T04:51:58 < dongs> hardware breakpoints shouldn't affect anything
2014-10-08T04:52:09 < jadew> if you could do that with out screwing up the pipeline you could make a really nice profiler, granted, the chip would run slower while profiling but that's nothing new for profiling jobs
2014-10-08T04:52:10 < dongs> unless of course you have hardware running and overflowing buffers etc.
2014-10-08T04:52:32 < jadew> yeah, I did notice that all other peripherals are still running during a breakpoint
2014-10-08T04:52:34 < zyp> jadew, the point of tracepoints is that you don't break at all
2014-10-08T04:52:48 < dongs> jadew: not necessarily, timers can stop etc but yeah.
2014-10-08T04:57:05 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/DSTRM-KT-0181A/DSTRM-KT-0181A-ND/2522245 nice price
2014-10-08T04:57:11 < jadew> zyp, yeah, but you can't have tracepoints everywhere, while with a breakpoint you could either break after function calls or simply step over each instruction
2014-10-08T04:57:33 < jadew> giving you a very detailed view of how your things are running and where you're spending the most time
2014-10-08T04:57:43 < zyp> stepping prevents interrupt handling, breaking normal timing
2014-10-08T04:58:17 < jadew> did not know that
2014-10-08T04:58:28 < jadew> then you could simply set breakpoints
2014-10-08T04:58:35 < jadew> and subtract the time spent in ISRs
2014-10-08T04:58:50 < zyp> it's only natural, otherwise you'd get stuck in ISRs most of the time you are stepping
2014-10-08T04:59:34 < jadew> hmm, I guess that's true as well, often ISRs would make profiling very difficult
2014-10-08T04:59:45 < zyp> anyway, I think the cycle counters also have separate interrupt context counters, so you already know how much time they take
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2014-10-08T06:32:45 < hjf_> is this the right way to enable PLL I2S ?   RCC->CR|=RCC_CR_PLLI2SON;
2014-10-08T06:33:17 < hjf_> stm32f4xx.h is included
2014-10-08T06:33:51 < hjf_> but i dunno how to debug that register since it's a bunch of #defines and eclipse mouseover doesn't read tat
2014-10-08T06:33:54 < hjf_> that
2014-10-08T06:34:21 < hjf_> SPI3->I2SPR=388;
2014-10-08T06:34:52 < hjf_> i did that too and a bunch of other stuff to enable I2S3 but i'm not getting the 48khz LRCK output at pin PA4
2014-10-08T06:34:59 < hjf_> pa4 is set as alternate function 6
2014-10-08T06:37:30 < jadew> hjf_, did you enable the SPI clock?
2014-10-08T06:37:52 < hjf_> jadew: where ?
2014-10-08T06:38:42 < jadew> in the RCC register, give me a sec to take a look, but it seems like you might have to enable another clock too
2014-10-08T06:45:28 < jadew> doesn't seem like you have to enable anything else, but I'm still skeptical
2014-10-08T06:46:43 < jadew> try to enable the SPI clock tho
2014-10-08T06:47:14 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/demoboard/OM13069.html ha
2014-10-08T06:47:17 < jadew> from the apropriate RCC->APBxENR register
2014-10-08T06:49:47 < jadew> dongs, what exactly is that?
2014-10-08T06:50:25 < jadew> is it just audiojack 2 data kind of thing?
2014-10-08T06:52:28 < dongs> its two things, harvesting power off audio line signals, and a mcu to dick with them
2014-10-08T06:52:33 < dongs> there was some opensores shit that did similar
2014-10-08T06:52:45 < dongs> https://web.eecs.umich.edu/~prabal/pubs/papers/kuo10hijack-islped.pdf
2014-10-08T06:52:45 < dongs> this
2014-10-08T06:52:54 < dongs> that was posted/presented at some hax0r conference
2014-10-08T06:53:03 < dongs> and I guess nxp took the idea and added one of hteir lowpower m0+ chips to it
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2014-10-08T07:20:36 < dongs> zyp, wat ? http://i.imgur.com/PIGfg3U.jpg
2014-10-08T07:22:55 < zyp> kinda reminds me of japanese porn
2014-10-08T07:23:49 < dongs> haha
2014-10-08T07:23:54 < dongs> is that just a troll tho? or wat
2014-10-08T07:24:32 < zyp> no, it's serious
2014-10-08T07:24:39 < dongs> thats the new designs?
2014-10-08T07:24:42 < zyp> you know, designers
2014-10-08T07:24:51 < jadew> I think it looks cool
2014-10-08T07:25:00 < zyp> well, dunno if it's just a suggestion or if it's accepted
2014-10-08T07:25:04 < dongs> ah
2014-10-08T07:25:24 < jadew> it's very "this century"
2014-10-08T07:25:27 < zyp> I don't really care, it's not like cash is a thing over here anymore
2014-10-08T07:25:45 < dongs> zyp is all about apple pay
2014-10-08T07:25:49 < zyp> I can't even remember the last time I had norwegian cash
2014-10-08T07:25:54 < dongs> has your iphone6 bended yet
2014-10-08T07:25:58 < jadew> zyp, are you serious?
2014-10-08T07:26:01 < zyp> yes
2014-10-08T07:26:35 < zyp> dongs, heh
2014-10-08T07:26:38 < jadew> that's neat, we're all about cash still
2014-10-08T07:26:48 < zyp> never owned an iphone, still using nexus 4
2014-10-08T07:26:49 < dongs> japan is all about fucking wads of cash
2014-10-08T07:26:50 < jadew> personally I'd rather pay with cash than card
2014-10-08T07:27:08 < zyp> dongs, yeah
2014-10-08T07:27:10 < dongs> you can totally walk into somewhere and pay for like 30k$ thing with a wad of cash
2014-10-08T07:27:14 < jadew> mainly because that minimizes my chances of getting my card stolen
2014-10-08T07:27:15 < dongs> and nobody will even care
2014-10-08T07:27:26 < zyp> last time I used cash at all was when I was in jp
2014-10-08T07:27:53 < zyp> jadew, what do you mean getting your card stolen?
2014-10-08T07:28:01 < dongs> hmm odd
2014-10-08T07:28:07 < dongs> i moved ONE designator to assembly layer...
2014-10-08T07:28:12 < dongs> and they all moved
2014-10-08T07:28:18 < jadew> zyp, we have or at least had a shitload of card thiefs
2014-10-08T07:28:28 < jadew> they would basically steal the data on the card and clone it
2014-10-08T07:28:33 < dongs> jadew: how the fuck is taht different from getting your wad of cash stolen
2014-10-08T07:28:48 < dongs>  oh you mean skimming
2014-10-08T07:28:52 < jadew> dongs, because my card is connected to my big wad of cash
2014-10-08T07:28:55 < dongs> well, thats a problem with being ina  3rd world country
2014-10-08T07:29:14 < jadew> dongs, actually no, they've gone abroad
2014-10-08T07:29:18 < dongs> jap atms are so advanced, tehy take your fucking bank book and print shit on them
2014-10-08T07:29:30 < dongs> </sarcasm>
2014-10-08T07:29:33 < englishman> germany was all about cash, nobody had cards
2014-10-08T07:29:35 < englishman> blew my mind
2014-10-08T07:29:49 < gxti> usa still using amazing magstripe technology
2014-10-08T07:29:54 < englishman> yep
2014-10-08T07:29:57 < gxti> impossible to clone
2014-10-08T07:29:57 < englishman> with signatures
2014-10-08T07:30:26 < gxti> breaking EMV is child's play so we don't bother
2014-10-08T07:31:03 < zyp> dongs, japan has tons of the contactless payment card systems though
2014-10-08T07:31:18 < dongs> zyp, eyah all incompatible with each other
2014-10-08T07:31:28 < dongs> so you need like 10 cards to do anything
2014-10-08T07:31:30 < zyp> I mean, at least in tokyo you can use the train card to pay for shit everywhere
2014-10-08T07:31:33 < zyp> yeah
2014-10-08T07:31:46 < gxti> good thing steve jobs is here to sort us all out
2014-10-08T07:31:50 < gxti> with amazing Apple Pay
2014-10-08T07:32:11 < jadew> the first time I hear about apple pay
2014-10-08T07:32:31 < jadew> sounds like more nfc faggotry
2014-10-08T07:32:31 < zyp> well, I'm kinda looking forward to my bank deploying nfc payment compatible with android
2014-10-08T07:32:44 < zyp> they recently started testing plain nfc payment cards
2014-10-08T07:33:14 < jadew> I'm hoping the banking system will come up with their own crap
2014-10-08T07:33:25 < jadew> own protocol
2014-10-08T07:33:47 < zyp> as far as I understand, pretty much every payment terminal in norway supports nfc payment already, they are just waiting for tons of paperwork to get done before they switch it on
2014-10-08T07:34:21 < jadew> I think all subway stations support that in here as well, for a very long time
2014-10-08T07:34:39 < jadew> but I haven't seen many people using them, I don't know if it's even functional
2014-10-08T07:35:00 < jadew> I know that at some point you were able to pay for the ticket by sending an SMS
2014-10-08T07:35:18 < gxti> according to wikipedia, the source of all knowledge, all the CC vendors are forcing merchants to support EMV by this time next year
2014-10-08T07:35:22 < jadew> but I don't know how that worked either
2014-10-08T07:35:27 < gxti> in USA
2014-10-08T07:35:35 < gxti> but none of my cards have a chip
2014-10-08T07:35:51 < zyp> EMV is chip+pin?
2014-10-08T07:35:54 < gxti> yeah
2014-10-08T07:36:06 < zyp> norway used to be all stripe+pin before
2014-10-08T07:36:13 < jadew> same here
2014-10-08T07:36:16 < jadew> we still are
2014-10-08T07:36:23 < gxti> i got two replacement cards from discover in a month, one due to expiration and another immediately because of target data breach, still no chip
2014-10-08T07:36:25 < jadew> well, stripe + chip + pin
2014-10-08T07:36:40 < zyp> then chips arrived around five-six years ago, that's when I got my first card with a chip
2014-10-08T07:37:10 < zyp> and now chips are mandatory and the terminals will refuse to use the stripe
2014-10-08T07:37:40 < zyp> chips have been mandatory for maybe three years
2014-10-08T07:38:04 < jadew> don't know if they're mandatory in here, but I haven't seen a card without one in a while
2014-10-08T07:38:09 < dongs> my jap visa card has some fucking smartcard shit in it that some places insist on using that needs me to type a password. took several calls to the fucking bank to disable that shit so i could just press enter
2014-10-08T07:38:34 < madis_> pin + password ?
2014-10-08T07:38:41 < zyp> by mandatory I mean that it's impossible to use the stripe of the card in a terminal that does both chip and stripe
2014-10-08T07:38:43 < dongs> and im paying those dicks like $80 a fucking month to have an account with them
2014-10-08T07:39:03 < zyp> if you swipe it, it'll refuse it and tell you to insert it instead
2014-10-08T07:39:07 < dongs> probably only in japan you can have a bank account that costs you that much a month
2014-10-08T07:39:13 < jadew> zyp, interesting
2014-10-08T07:39:26 < madis_> savings accounts in japan pay no interest right ?
2014-10-08T07:39:32 < zyp> heh
2014-10-08T07:39:33 < jadew> lol
2014-10-08T07:39:34 < dongs> madis_: nope
2014-10-08T07:39:41 < gxti> japan economy is lulz
2014-10-08T07:39:52 < dongs> japan is fucking dying
2014-10-08T07:39:52 < zyp> in norway it doesn't cost anything to have an account
2014-10-08T07:39:57 < gxti> that too
2014-10-08T07:40:06 < gxti> crushed under old people
2014-10-08T07:40:13 < zyp> cards may have yearly fees, but accounts does not
2014-10-08T07:40:15 < jadew> dongs, you're living in japan?
2014-10-08T07:40:21 < madis_> to be fair, their economy has been deflating for most of recent history, so even if they don't pay you any interest, the value of your money still goes up.
2014-10-08T07:41:07 < dongs> jadew: yueah
2014-10-08T07:41:39 < jadew> are young men just as they say in documentaries? virgins who would rather bang dolls than real women?
2014-10-08T07:41:56 < jadew> I'm only asking because if that's true, then the chicks must be really desperate
2014-10-08T07:42:08 < jadew> which makes Japan a great country to live in :P
2014-10-08T07:42:09 < dongs> correct
2014-10-08T07:42:45 < jadew> not sure I posted this yesterday (not japan): http://imgur.com/gallery/nz0nZ
2014-10-08T07:42:58 < dongs> looks like best korea
2014-10-08T07:43:06 < zyp> obviously korea
2014-10-08T07:43:15 < gnomad> I imagine it is difficult to live on an island with few natural resources.
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2014-10-08T07:45:50 < jadew> any ideas on why ITM_SendChar wouldn't work, even after I enabled TRCENA in DEMCR, wrote 0xC5ACCE55 to ITM->LAR, enabled ITMENA in ITM->TCR and wrote bit 0 of ITM->TER to 1
2014-10-08T07:46:05 < dongs> do you ahve swo hooked up?
2014-10-08T07:46:07 < zyp> doesn't work how?
2014-10-08T07:46:17 < jadew> that's what I was going to say next
2014-10-08T07:46:25 < jadew> maybe it works but I'm not looking where I should
2014-10-08T07:46:38 < jadew> I don't have SWO routed
2014-10-08T07:46:49 < zyp> uh
2014-10-08T07:46:57 < jadew> that's where it comes out?
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2014-10-08T07:47:13 < zyp> why are you trying to output stuff via trace if you don't even have trace hooked up? :p
2014-10-08T07:47:24 < zyp> where else would it go?
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2014-10-08T07:47:51 < jadew> SWDIO I thought
2014-10-08T07:47:56 < jadew> I figured it's part of the protocol or something
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2014-10-08T07:48:23 < jadew> wish I knew about this when I made the board
2014-10-08T07:48:48 < jadew> whatever I read about SWD pinout said SWO is optional, didn't say what it was for
2014-10-08T07:48:51  * LeelooMinai hands jadew some bodge wires
2014-10-08T07:49:09 < jadew> LeelooMinai, thanks
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2014-10-08T07:56:49 < jadew> hah, luckily I was using the pin for something else and I have an actual header pin for it
2014-10-08T07:58:41 < jadew> ok, I get no output
2014-10-08T07:59:25 < zyp> to where?
2014-10-08T08:00:33 < jadew> I think I need to put the pin in AF mode
2014-10-08T08:00:39 < jadew> on the SWO pin
2014-10-08T08:01:29 < zyp> it should be in the right AF mode out of reset, as long as you don't change it
2014-10-08T08:01:53 < jadew> zyp, yeah, but don't I have to set the pin mode to Alternate?
2014-10-08T08:01:58 < jadew> or is it done by the debugger?
2014-10-08T08:02:17 < zyp> it should be alternate out of reset
2014-10-08T08:02:23 < jadew> ah, I see
2014-10-08T08:02:24 < zyp> like the other programming pins
2014-10-08T08:02:54 < zyp> SWO is JTDO, JTAG mode wouldn't work if it weren't set
2014-10-08T08:03:42 < jadew> in that case, do you see anything wrong here? http://pastebin.com/MEvvsh44
2014-10-08T08:04:05 < jadew> that's a bit of a guess work, because I failed to find any usable documentation on the topic
2014-10-08T08:04:24 < zyp> I think you have to configure the output mode somewhere as well
2014-10-08T08:04:40 < zyp> ARM has a trace manual somewhere with lots of info
2014-10-08T08:05:06 < jadew> oh, that's good to know, I'll have to find that
2014-10-08T08:05:14 < jadew> all I'm trying to do is get some text out
2014-10-08T08:05:33 < jadew> figured it would be nice if I could output some debugging stuff in the console
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2014-10-08T08:06:17 < zyp> if you're not concerned about speed, it's easier to go with semihosting
2014-10-08T08:06:34 < jadew> what's that?
2014-10-08T08:06:37 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Where does the SWO pin go to? You have jlink?
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2014-10-08T08:07:10 < zyp> semihosting triggers a software breakpoint with arguments in registers, that the debugger traps and processes
2014-10-08T08:07:22 < zyp> so the firmware can call functions from the debugger
2014-10-08T08:07:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, no, I'm using it as a SPI clock
2014-10-08T08:07:51 < LeelooMinai> jadew: But you wrote that you want to get some text on the console...
2014-10-08T08:07:51 < zyp> it's a bit slow since it triggers a breakpoint, but is easy to get working
2014-10-08T08:08:05 < jadew> zyp, nice
2014-10-08T08:08:32 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, in the debugging console - I don't need to use that particular peripheral right now
2014-10-08T08:08:51 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/util/semihosting.h?h=scheduler_improvements&id=e14b2f0 <- here's my semihosting_print()
2014-10-08T08:09:09 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Also, there are 32 "ports" that you can mask/unmask that filter what actually gets through to the swo output
2014-10-08T08:09:27 < jadew> zyp, thanks, I'll give it a go
2014-10-08T08:09:47 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, I figured that part, I believe I enabled it by writing TER to 1
2014-10-08T08:11:49 < jadew> zyp, is that your repo?
2014-10-08T08:11:55 < zyp> yes
2014-10-08T08:12:07 < jadew> any particular license associated with semihosting?
2014-10-08T08:12:22 < zyp> nah, steal what you want
2014-10-08T08:12:35 < jadew> thanks, I'll credit you in the header
2014-10-08T08:13:08 < LeelooMinai> jadew: just a sec, I will give you some pointer to code for this in a sec
2014-10-08T08:13:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, thank you
2014-10-08T08:13:18 < zyp> the entire library is BSD licenced, but it's a waste of time to care about for trivial stuff
2014-10-08T08:14:41 < jadew> for the record, what I'm working on is closed source, so all the credits and notes are just for me
2014-10-08T08:15:42 < jadew> I won't rob you of anymore code tho :)
2014-10-08T08:16:39 < akaWolf> jadew: plagiarism!
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2014-10-08T08:17:21 < jadew> akaWolf, I usually stay away from it, but mostly because I'm stubborn and I tend to write my own stuff, rather than because it's wrong :P
2014-10-08T08:17:46 < LeelooMinai> jadew: What is your dev environment setup right now?
2014-10-08T08:18:02 < jadew> visual studio + visual gdb
2014-10-08T08:18:11 < jadew> so openocd
2014-10-08T08:18:30 < LeelooMinai> DOes openocd even support swo?
2014-10-08T08:18:52 < PaulFertser> It does with stlink.
2014-10-08T08:18:56 < akaWolf> jadew: visual studio compiler for ARM targets?
2014-10-08T08:19:03 < jadew> that's good to know, I'm using stlinkv2
2014-10-08T08:19:17 < jadew> akaWolf, yeah, it's using gcc
2014-10-08T08:20:03 < jadew> it's really well integrated, even comes with a nice registry browser
2014-10-08T08:20:33 < akaWolf> jadew: VS is good IDE, but a year ago it was impossible to use a GCC there..
2014-10-08T08:20:47 < akaWolf> jadew: new feauture?
2014-10-08T08:20:52 < jadew> akaWolf, visualgdb is an addon
2014-10-08T08:20:57 < akaWolf> ah ok
2014-10-08T08:21:05 < jadew> http://visualgdb.com/
2014-10-08T08:21:10 < jadew> works with most VS versions
2014-10-08T08:21:15 < madis_>  addons require a VS professional licence
2014-10-08T08:21:35 < madis_> pretty sure VS express (free) doesn't support addons.
2014-10-08T08:21:42 < jadew> didn't know that
2014-10-08T08:21:46 < akaWolf> :)
2014-10-08T08:21:49 < akaWolf> pirate?
2014-10-08T08:21:52 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I am using Eclipse ARM plugin and another plugin that comes with "stm32 templates" and this has semihosting code there - it's by some guy called Liviu Ionescu - I am trying to find out where the code repository for this is.
2014-10-08T08:21:55 < jadew> no, paid for
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2014-10-08T08:22:19 < zyp> LeelooMinai, hmm, I think I've read that name somewhere before
2014-10-08T08:22:38 < LeelooMinai> I think it's related to something called μOS III (?)
2014-10-08T08:22:52 < LeelooMinai> I saw some mention of it in the comments
2014-10-08T08:23:28 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that's a romanian name :)
2014-10-08T08:23:29 < LeelooMinai> FOr example "This file is part of the µOS++ III distribution."
2014-10-08T08:23:37 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I know
2014-10-08T08:24:24 < akaWolf> http://stf12.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/HelloSTM32F4/system/include/arm/semihosting.h
2014-10-08T08:24:55 < akaWolf> http://stf12.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/HelloSTM32F4/
2014-10-08T08:25:38 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I fired this stuff with jlink when I was first experimienting with swo and worked fine.
2014-10-08T08:27:05 < zyp> http://sourceforge.net/p/micro-os-plus/iii/ci/master/tree/packages/architectures/arm/arm.pack/include/arm/semihosting.h
2014-10-08T08:27:13 < zyp> that seems to be the original source
2014-10-08T08:27:45 < LeelooMinai> There's also this in there: "The JLink probe and the GDB server fully support SWD/SWO and the JLink Debugging plug-in enables it by default. The current OpenOCD does not include support to parse the SWO stream, so this configuration will not work on OpenOCD (will not crash, but nothing will be displayed in the output console)."
2014-10-08T08:27:46 < jadew> do I have to enable something in GDB, because it seems it just breaks
2014-10-08T08:29:20 < zyp> you probably need to enable it in openocd
2014-10-08T08:29:52 < akaWolf> PaulFertser: ?
2014-10-08T08:29:54 < zyp> try «arm semihosting enable» in your openocd config
2014-10-08T08:34:23 < jadew> doesn't like that
2014-10-08T08:36:04 < zyp> heh, those explicit movs in that code looks a bit silly
2014-10-08T08:36:46 < jadew> afk
2014-10-08T08:36:59 < jadew> zyp, I noticed that too
2014-10-08T08:50:47 < PaulFertser> jadew: in gdb it would be "mon arm semihosting enable" but if you're already stopped on a semihosting breakpoint, you need to "continue" first.
2014-10-08T08:50:59 < PaulFertser> I recommend to add it to openocd config.
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2014-10-08T08:57:29 < jadew> thanks i'll give it a try a bit later, atm i have my hands full
2014-10-08T08:57:58 < jadew> literally
2014-10-08T09:06:21 < jadew> PaulFertser, that worked, but i can't see the output. should it be in the openocd console, or the gdb one - sorry for lack of capitalization, onscreen kb
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2014-10-08T09:10:32 < PaulFertser> jadew: sorry, but it's in openocd console
2014-10-08T09:11:09 < jadew> i see, thanks
2014-10-08T09:11:24 < PaulFertser> jadew: do you use custom startup or newlib's?
2014-10-08T09:11:34 < jadew> i'll have to look into it
2014-10-08T09:11:44 < jadew> custom
2014-10-08T09:11:58 < PaulFertser> If custom, call initialise_monitor_handles() in the beginning of main().
2014-10-08T09:12:30 < PaulFertser> Then you can just printf/puts/whatever, and link with -lrdimon (instead of -lnosys), and that's it. No extra code or config necessary.
2014-10-08T09:13:32 < jadew> cool, thanks
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2014-10-08T09:33:34 < jadew> that worked
2014-10-08T09:33:47 < jadew> wonder why
2014-10-08T09:34:35 < akaWolf> it's semihosting, I think
2014-10-08T09:34:46 < akaWolf> how it talks zyp
2014-10-08T09:35:13 < jadew> yeah, same what I tried earlier
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2014-10-08T17:41:19 < dongs> who does cheap(-ish) pcba in USA?
2014-10-08T17:41:22 < dongs> ds2: who did you use
2014-10-08T17:42:57 < gnomad> oshpark is probably cheapest for small volume
2014-10-08T17:43:20 < karlp> do they do assembly now too?
2014-10-08T17:43:42 < dongs> yeah im asking assembly only.
2014-10-08T17:43:51 < gnomad> n/m.
2014-10-08T17:44:00 < englishman> dragoncircuits
2014-10-08T17:44:03 < dongs> haha
2014-10-08T17:44:07 < dongs> i dont want my shit cloned
2014-10-08T17:44:18 < englishman> there was this one place, lemme find
2014-10-08T17:44:30 < englishman> http://www.smallbatchassembly.com/
2014-10-08T17:44:34 < englishman> never used
2014-10-08T17:45:12 < dongs> .5mm pitch mininum eh
2014-10-08T17:45:15 < dongs> thats kinda rough
2014-10-08T17:46:02 < dongs> For most jobs we fabricate the stencils from laser-cut Kapton plastic in-house, and this is included in the price.
2014-10-08T17:46:05 < dongs> jesus
2014-10-08T17:46:12 < dongs> so this is like a ghetto fail fab
2014-10-08T17:47:10 < englishman> what did you expect, with 328p as most popular mcu
2014-10-08T17:47:18 < dongs> yeah i peekeed their parts list
2014-10-08T17:51:01 < dongs> I hope he bought more feeders by now.
2014-10-08T17:51:06 < dongs> since 2013/05 pic.
2014-10-08T17:51:33 < dongs> that oven
2014-10-08T17:53:22 < englishman> 2013/09?
2014-10-08T17:53:33 < dongs> er yea that
2014-10-08T17:53:38 < englishman> heh 4 feeders
2014-10-08T17:53:40 < dongs> http://www.smtnet.com/company/index.cfm?fuseaction=view_company&company_id=53766&component=catalog&catalog_id=17660
2014-10-08T17:54:22 < dongs> sounds like it might be proper-ish convection
2014-10-08T17:54:55 < jpa-> nice webpage though, tells important stuff in easy to read format
2014-10-08T17:55:10 < jpa-> unlike some places that don't tell anything except "just ask for quote!!1"
2014-10-08T17:55:32 < englishman> dongs http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/desk-lead-free-reflow-oven-SR352C/811103_546827094.html
2014-10-08T17:55:34 < dongs> hmm 3000 cph
2014-10-08T17:55:36 < dongs> so its same class as my shit
2014-10-08T17:56:04 < englishman> manncorp is legit
2014-10-08T17:56:25 < dongs> 3000 is kinda painfully slow when you start doing a lot of shit tho
2014-10-08T18:01:02 < dongs> i should sell mine and buy proper shit
2014-10-08T18:02:11 < Sync> ye
2014-10-08T18:02:38 < englishman> if i remove the bathtub and bathe in the sink, i can put a dicknplace there
2014-10-08T18:03:47 < dongs> sounds like you you dont need dicknplace
2014-10-08T18:04:34 < englishman> was looking at some of those pneumatic paste dispensers
2014-10-08T18:04:39 < dongs> no.
2014-10-08T18:04:40 < dongs> just dont.
2014-10-08T18:04:43 < englishman> heh
2014-10-08T18:04:44 < dongs> they dont fucking work
2014-10-08T18:05:52 < Sync> they work pretty well, just not for solder paste
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2014-10-08T21:23:00 < mitrax> hello, i'm about to test a firmware i've just built with a gcc toolchain on a STM32F429I discovery board, is there a way to save the original firmware of the board using the ST-LINK utlity (windows version)?
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2014-10-08T21:28:13 < mitrax> reason for this is it's very unlikely that my test firmware will work immediately, i just want to be able to re-flash the board with the old firmware to make sure i didn't damage something :)
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2014-10-08T22:17:16 < mitrax> anyone?
2014-10-08T22:18:23 < kakeman> anyone what?
2014-10-08T22:22:23 < mitrax> kakeman: i asked a question earlier and nobody spoke since, so i assume it's still in your backlog :) (unless you just joined but it doesn't seem so). I wanted to know if i can backup an existing firmware by reading the device using ST-LINK and saving it as a file
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2014-10-08T22:34:32 < mitrax> hmm nevermind i guess i just need to read from 0x8000000 to 0x8200000 and save that
2014-10-08T22:36:41 < karlp> yup
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2014-10-08T22:45:18 < mitrax> i compiled an example from the stm32cube SDK using gcc-arm, the project was made for TrueStudio (which use gcc too if i'm not mistaken) so i kept the linker script (ld file) as is, everything compiles, i convert the resulting .elf to bin using obj-copy. If something is wrong with the binary file is it likely that it could damage my evaluation board?
2014-10-08T22:46:36 < mitrax> only thing i can think of is if the GPIO were improperly configured for the board but to get to that point it'd have to startup first right?
2014-10-08T22:47:49 < bvernoux> mitrax: the only things which could really damage the board is bus contention or connecting voltage > 3.3V on GPIO configured in ADC/DAC ...
2014-10-08T22:48:54 < mitrax> bvernoux: alright, thanks :)
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2014-10-08T22:49:31 < karlp> mitrax: most decent tools will work with the .elf directly
2014-10-08T22:49:57 < karlp> unless you're doing partial things and firmware monkey patching at runtime, and tricks where you _know_ you need a .bin, there's not a lof of need for them...
2014-10-08T22:50:08 < bvernoux> mitrax:  the most simple stuff is maybe to flash dfu with tools
2014-10-08T22:50:17 < mitrax> karlp: i guess the ST-LINK utility is not one of them then ? :)
2014-10-08T22:50:31 < bvernoux> mitrax: anyway with SWD / JTAG you can flash the elf directly
2014-10-08T22:50:43 < bvernoux> mitrax: in fact the hex ...
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2014-10-08T22:53:28 < mitrax> karlp / bvernoux: thanks... i'll flash and see what happens :p
2014-10-08T22:54:53 < mitrax> YAY !
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2014-10-08T23:03:06 < karlp> congratulations :)
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2014-10-08T23:59:39 < mitrax> karlp: ahah, thanks
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2014-10-09T02:31:40 < dongs> sup innovators
2014-10-09T02:32:05 < dongs> any new amazing dickstarters
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2014-10-09T03:01:32 < jef79m> battery in a can https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/powerpractical/the-pronto-fast-charge-battery
2014-10-09T03:21:38 < Thorn> >We put a lot of energy into making the Pronto
2014-10-09T03:27:45 < dongs> so tehy stuck a hobbyking lipo inside a case?
2014-10-09T03:27:52 < gxti> so pro
2014-10-09T03:28:59 < dongs> ive been using HK lipo and one of those $3 ebay DC/DC shits
2014-10-09T03:29:12 < dongs> just velcro the dc/dc on it and i soldered a usb connector to that
2014-10-09T03:29:28 < dongs> sounds like I just outdid pronto for 2/3 price
2014-10-09T03:30:00 < dongs> and use my RC trash charger , yeah I guess it probably takes like 30mins to fully recharge at 5A or so
2014-10-09T03:30:03 < dongs> maybe less
2014-10-09T03:30:46 < dongs> haha, pronto claims 1hr recharge time on both 4.5Ah and 13.5Ah version
2014-10-09T03:30:49 < dongs> how does that work
2014-10-09T03:30:51 < dongs> MAGIC
2014-10-09T03:30:58 < gxti> more amps obviously
2014-10-09T03:31:08 < dongs> nope
2014-10-09T03:31:10 < dongs> input is 12V 5A
2014-10-09T03:31:12 < gxti> MOOOOREEE AMMPPSSSS
2014-10-09T03:31:12 < dongs> both times
2014-10-09T03:31:22 < Thorn> >The Pronto has a built-in "smart chip" which allows it to charge all your USB devices at their maximum rate ( up to 2.4A or 12 Watts).
2014-10-09T03:31:30 < Thorn> what "smart chip"
2014-10-09T03:31:39 < dongs> maybe some resistors
2014-10-09T03:31:43 < dongs> on DM/DP
2014-10-09T03:32:00 < gxti> well every vendor has six different standards so that's probably pretty annoying to solve it for every iDildo
2014-10-09T03:32:39 < Thorn> my tablet sometimes charges at a "usb" rate from a dc charger, same cable used all the time
2014-10-09T03:33:23 < Thorn> if it can't reliably recognize its own charger, how can you make a 3rd party one to fast charge it every time
2014-10-09T03:33:23 < gxti> what genius decided to make lwip's #defines for debug printf widths not include the %? no wonder my shit doesn't work. was just printing literal "dhcp_rebind(): set request timeout %hu msecs"
2014-10-09T03:34:39 < dongs> Does the Pronto have pass-through charging?
2014-10-09T03:34:40 < dongs> No, power output from the Pronto is disabled while the battery is charging. There are many technical reasons why we think this is prudent. The main reasons are that the design is simplified substantially and the maximum power demands of the wall supply and the internal circuitry are reduced.
2014-10-09T03:34:45 < dongs> wot
2014-10-09T03:35:16 < Thorn> >maximum power demands of the wall supply
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2014-10-09T03:35:33 < Thorn> in my country it's normally 16A @ ~220V
2014-10-09T03:35:46 < Thorn> is it much lower in the u.s.?
2014-10-09T03:35:54 < dongs> i think he means the power brick
2014-10-09T03:35:58 < gxti> ... lol
2014-10-09T03:35:59 < dongs> it being 60W or wahtever
2014-10-09T03:37:51 < gxti> Thorn: it's half that, but it's beside the point because the 60W brick is the limiting factor, not the 1700W outlet
2014-10-09T03:38:20 < Thorn> okay
2014-10-09T03:38:32 < gxti> they are at least not dumb enough to make a wall-powered device
2014-10-09T03:38:46 < gxti> because it would be in UL hell for years
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2014-10-09T03:47:09 < englishman> hobbyking makes a lipo-to-usb charger too for like $4
2014-10-09T03:47:17 < englishman> with voltmeter and stuff
2014-10-09T03:47:42 < dongs> haha do they
2014-10-09T03:47:43 < dongs> link
2014-10-09T03:47:58 < dongs> found
2014-10-09T03:47:59 < dongs> out of stock
2014-10-09T03:48:07 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__24405__hobbyking_lipo_to_usb_charging_adapter.html
2014-10-09T03:48:14 < englishman> hm no
2014-10-09T03:48:20 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22320__Hobbyking_2_6S_Lipo_to_USB_Charging_Adapter_and_Cell_Checker.html ohh
2014-10-09T03:48:23 < dongs> yea this one probly
2014-10-09T03:48:36 < englishman> nah
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2014-10-09T03:48:56 < dongs> https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__46361__Turnigy_USB_Charging_Adapter_2_6_Cell_2Amp_Output_XT60_.html ?
2014-10-09T03:49:14 < englishman> yeah like that but with voltage display
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2014-10-09T03:50:01 < englishman> like this but half price www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/RC_PRODUCT_SEARCH.asp?searchType=10&strSearch=usb&location=AL&idCategory=&sortBy=Relevant&NumPerPage=20&currentPage=5
2014-10-09T03:50:27 < dongs> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__60455__Turnigy_USB_Power_Adapter.html oh, this?
2014-10-09T03:50:48 < dongs> wow thats fucking great
2014-10-09T03:50:57 < dongs> and even shows voltage /current which is way cool
2014-10-09T03:50:59 < dongs> ordering nao
2014-10-09T03:51:07 < englishman> ya
2014-10-09T03:51:29 < dongs> better yet: linking this on pronto comments page.
2014-10-09T03:51:35 < englishman> word
2014-10-09T03:52:16 < Simon--> ui fail: doesn't display them all at once, probably takes way too long to display the one you want
2014-10-09T04:02:26 < gxti> something is odd about lwip's timers
2014-10-09T04:06:49 < gxti> originally i was calling sys_check_timeouts once per second because there's no indication of when it should be called and it looks like it deals with whatever interval. but dhcp leases were not being renewed on time.
2014-10-09T04:08:25 < gxti> now i'm calling it every 100ms and it renews on time but it seems to be calling timer funcs too frequently now
2014-10-09T04:08:44 < dongs> thats waht you get for using opensores
2014-10-09T04:08:54 < dongs> if im ever doing tcpip, im using keil tcp stack
2014-10-09T04:08:57 < dongs> i bet shit just works
2014-10-09T04:11:30 < gxti> actually looks like it's correct, never mind. but no documentation about how frequently it needs to be called.
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2014-10-09T04:29:26 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/equil-smartpen-2-real-ink-real-paper-digitized haha
2014-10-09T04:32:14 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mota-smartring-connectivity-at-your-fingertips another smartyring clone
2014-10-09T04:36:21 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/908808/files/20141006131457-pcb.PNG?1412626497
2014-10-09T04:36:24 < dongs> is this eagle
2014-10-09T04:37:06 < gxti> candy cane routing?
2014-10-09T04:37:42 < gxti> it doesn't look like it's stuck in the 90s so definitely not eagle
2014-10-09T04:37:49 < gxti> they didn't have gradients back then
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2014-10-09T05:02:25 < dongs> heh this design has a nice set of bypass caps: 10uF 1uF 0.1uF 0.1uF 0.0.1uF 1000pF
2014-10-09T05:02:34 < hjf_> i'm trying to set up DMA for the SPI peripheral. the manual says the PAR register should be set to the peripheral address
2014-10-09T05:02:42 < hjf_> what's the address of SPI3 peripheral?
2014-10-09T05:02:49 < dongs> &SPI3
2014-10-09T05:02:56 < hjf_> just that?
2014-10-09T05:02:57 < gxti> 0.0.1uF? new math invented
2014-10-09T05:02:59 < dongs> but i think you want &SPI3->DR
2014-10-09T05:03:13 < hjf_> cause on some example i saw &ADC1->JDR1
2014-10-09T05:03:13 < dongs> since you're probably DMA'ing spi data
2014-10-09T05:03:17 < dongs> yea that.
2014-10-09T05:03:32 < dongs> gxti: 0.01
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2014-10-09T05:03:39 < hjf_> ahh i get it now
2014-10-09T05:03:53 < dongs> periphperal address is the one you want to copy data to/from
2014-10-09T05:03:58 < hjf_> yes
2014-10-09T05:04:02 < dongs> and make sure to set peripheralincr to disable
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2014-10-09T05:04:25 < hjf_> i'm trying to put data out through I2S3
2014-10-09T05:04:43 < hjf_> i'm using chibios but it dont have a i2s driver so i'm doing it manually
2014-10-09T05:05:28 < hjf_> man i miss PIC bitfields. want to set up EN bit in REGISTER? Just do REGISTER.EN=1;
2014-10-09T05:05:49 < dongs> that was just some dumb complier hack anyway.
2014-10-09T05:05:56 < dongs> compiler.
2014-10-09T05:06:02 < gxti> bitfields are part of C standard
2014-10-09T05:06:30 < dongs> gxti: duno, 8051 has that sbit stuff
2014-10-09T05:06:41 < gxti> they're just not so useful without an instruction to set bits
2014-10-09T05:06:43 < dongs> i think that was probly similar, sbit wasnt exactly bitfields
2014-10-09T05:06:54 < gxti> ARM has bitbanding but the compiler doesn't know how tous eit
2014-10-09T05:07:12 < hjf_> dongs: yeah but convenient nonetheless
2014-10-09T05:07:23 < gxti> bitfields are the syntax, bsf/sbit/whatever is the implementation
2014-10-09T05:07:40 < dongs> gxti: no, sbit is a type in 8051 gcc/compilers
2014-10-09T05:07:41 < gxti> it will work anyway on ST, it just won't be as compact
2014-10-09T05:07:44 < gxti> oh
2014-10-09T05:07:49 < gxti> anyway
2014-10-09T05:07:56 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/c51/c51_le_sbit.htm
2014-10-09T05:08:21 < dongs> SDCC also supports ~similar
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2014-10-09T05:16:33 < dongs> Type: Allegro Board
2014-10-09T05:19:40 < dongs> ffff
2014-10-09T05:19:46 < dongs> R2COM1: you got orcad installed?
2014-10-09T05:20:01 < dongs> all these fucking new shits are saved in orcad16 dsn or someshit and altium cant import them
2014-10-09T05:20:05 < dongs> rageeee
2014-10-09T05:22:01 < dongs> nvm found pdf, fuck orcad
2014-10-09T05:38:16 < dongs> actaully still need it
2014-10-09T05:38:23 < dongs> pdf doesnt have part#s for anything
2014-10-09T05:38:57 < dongs> timecop.mine.nu/cocks.zip can you save that shit in previous orcad format
2014-10-09T05:39:09 < dongs> just importing
2014-10-09T05:39:20 < dongs> but altiDONG doesnt read orcad16 or wahtever is newest format
2014-10-09T05:39:22 < dongs> re-saving as old works
2014-10-09T05:39:27 < dongs> old is like pre-15 or someshit
2014-10-09T05:41:01 < dongs> ya
2014-10-09T05:41:08 < dongs> should be able to
2014-10-09T05:41:11 < dongs> i had some other duder do it
2014-10-09T05:41:14 < dongs> maybe export?
2014-10-09T05:41:50 < dongs> edif if useless
2014-10-09T05:42:06 < dongs> its not project, just schematic
2014-10-09T05:44:31 < dongs> highlight dsn
2014-10-09T05:44:33 < dongs> save as
2014-10-09T05:44:35 < dongs> select 16.2
2014-10-09T05:47:02 < dongs> sendspace.com or someshit?
2014-10-09T05:47:13 < dongs> or whatever failhosting stuff but sendspace is least aids
2014-10-09T05:48:03 < dongs> wtf
2014-10-09T05:48:08 < dongs> still not rectognized wat
2014-10-09T05:48:11 < dongs> ffff
2014-10-09T05:48:51 < dongs> is tehre even older shit
2014-10-09T05:49:21 < dongs> OrCAD Version 16.3
2014-10-09T05:49:22 < dongs> With OrCAD V16.3 the Design Format was changed from OrCAD. At the moment Altium Designer 2013 can not import this new file format.
2014-10-09T05:49:26 < dongs> you sure you saved as 16.2?
2014-10-09T05:49:33 < dongs> hmpf
2014-10-09T05:49:43 < dongs> file size is bigger too
2014-10-09T05:49:47 < dongs> so its different
2014-10-09T05:49:48 < dongs> ghmm
2014-10-09T05:50:02 < dongs> see, this is why orcad sucks
2014-10-09T05:50:21 < dongs> altium winter 2009 (the pirated shit my pals in taiwan office use) can still open 2014 datafiles
2014-10-09T05:50:57 < dongs> ok file much smaller
2014-10-09T05:50:58 < dongs> that might work
2014-10-09T05:51:18 < dongs> success.
2014-10-09T05:52:04 < dongs> fuck that
2014-10-09T05:52:12 < dongs> i dont want oldshit from 2006 installed on my windows 8.1 pc
2014-10-09T05:53:55 < dongs> no waty
2014-10-09T05:53:58 < dongs> way
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2014-10-09T06:40:36 < dongs> 24" , and not yet i guyess
2014-10-09T06:42:12 < dongs> no
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2014-10-09T06:47:03 < dongs> no its not
2014-10-09T06:47:39 < dongs> yes, but it lies
2014-10-09T06:49:15 < gxti> manual says 3840x2160 @60Hz
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2014-10-09T06:50:37 < dongs> did yall see the moon stuff
2014-10-09T06:50:52 < gxti> not gonna get up at 6am for a moon
2014-10-09T06:50:53 < dongs> nothing, just eclipse
2014-10-09T06:51:00 < dongs> heh, it was like 7pm here last night
2014-10-09T06:51:05 < dongs> so was pretty handy
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2014-10-09T06:58:17 < gnomad> I wonder how many units with stuck pixels wind up as "open box" sales.
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2014-10-09T07:13:12 < dongs> yeah i had old zuken shit someehre
2014-10-09T07:13:15 < dongs> it looked weierd
2014-10-09T07:13:18 < dongs> like typical jap software
2014-10-09T07:14:22 < englishman> nope
2014-10-09T07:14:25 < englishman> its Sharpie
2014-10-09T07:19:14 < dongs> We have been doing a lot of testing in-house with regards to audio quality.  There is very little difference if you use a studio master and then transform it into FLAC format, compared to starting with an MP3 file and then transforming it into FLAC format.
2014-10-09T07:26:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/V4eVCbp.jpg
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2014-10-09T07:29:38 < dongs> its still conected
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2014-10-09T07:30:17 < gxti> that's what it normally looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_giant_hornet#mediaviewer/File:Vespa_mandarinia_japonica1.jpg
2014-10-09T07:30:40 < gxti> wasps are weird
2014-10-09T07:32:44 < dongs> Thirty to forty people die in Japan every year after having been stung, which makes the Japanese giant hornet the second most lethal animal in Japan after humans
2014-10-09T07:32:47 < dongs> lulz
2014-10-09T07:34:07 < dongs> its already terminated
2014-10-09T07:35:23 < Viper168> I caught a giant hornet a while back, not a japanese one though
2014-10-09T07:36:01 < Viper168> that thing was mean
2014-10-09T07:36:01 < Viper168> was huge
2014-10-09T07:36:06 < Viper168> they look crazy flying
2014-10-09T07:36:14 < Viper168> almost looks like it has horns or something
2014-10-09T07:36:17 < dongs> ya this shit was buzzing around for a while
2014-10-09T07:36:21 < Viper168> and more wings than it does
2014-10-09T07:36:29 < dongs> i knocked it down with that cardboard box which kinda stunned it
2014-10-09T07:37:08 < dongs> R2COM: one shot, there was nothign to see
2014-10-09T07:37:18 < dongs> it went straight to the wood floor
2014-10-09T07:37:22 < Viper168> saw it flying and thought what the fuck was that, they're pretty distinct so I can recognize them flying now
2014-10-09T07:37:59 < Viper168> vs some other creature, they almost resemble a moth flying
2014-10-09T07:38:07 < dongs> this was this morning, so i left it laying on teh box and forgot about it then i see the fucking thing crawling on top of my printer
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2014-10-09T07:49:23 < Viper168> they can chew through wood so they'll end up escaping unless it's plastic
2014-10-09T07:49:35 < Viper168> I kept the one I caught in a plastic container while I had it
2014-10-09T07:49:38 < Viper168> let it go though
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2014-10-09T07:51:51 < Viper168> they're mean but not really that hard to deal with\
2014-10-09T07:52:05 < Viper168> will fly at you though if you piss them off
2014-10-09T07:52:45 < Viper168> not sure
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2014-10-09T08:21:47 < madist> MSP430 has that exactly I think.
2014-10-09T08:31:45 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo1tjBmwuXI lol'd
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2014-10-09T08:32:47 < madist> does anyone make r2r dacs anymore ?
2014-10-09T08:33:45 < madist> how many bits ?
2014-10-09T08:34:30 < dongs> over 9000
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2014-10-09T08:54:20 < ds2> ewwwwww altium
2014-10-09T08:54:26 < ds2> overprice crap
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2014-10-09T10:42:40 < Tectu> there are people saying that   for(int i = 0; i < 5; ++i)   executes faster than   for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++)
2014-10-09T10:43:00 < Tectu> is there anything true about it? In both cases the processor has INC and DEC instructions that should be equally fast, no?
2014-10-09T10:45:11 < effractur> compile it and compare the asm
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2014-10-09T10:57:21 < dongs> you know waht executes even faster
2014-10-09T10:57:47 < dongs> for (i = 0; i++ < 5;) { }
2014-10-09T10:58:10 < dongs> but if you put entire for loop on one line
2014-10-09T10:58:11 < dongs> oh man
2014-10-09T10:58:15 < dongs> its going to ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
2014-10-09T10:58:26 < jpa-> your trolling is going to waste
2014-10-09T10:58:31 < dongs> unforutnately
2014-10-09T10:58:37 < dongs> i saw him ragequit :(
2014-10-09T10:58:49 < jpa-> Tectu is so full of rage
2014-10-09T10:58:54 < dongs> really
2014-10-09T10:58:56 < dongs> wat happen
2014-10-09T10:59:06 < Claude> you need some whitespace too , otherwise the cache will stall...
2014-10-09T10:59:19 < dongs> man, i got sent a workproj for something thats supposed to be a final/shipping product
2014-10-09T10:59:31 < jpa-> dongs: too many girls crawling over him
2014-10-09T10:59:37 < dongs> the build environment was just stm8-eval sample project that they didnt even bother cleaning up paths/shit in
2014-10-09T10:59:47 < dongs> so its looking for stm8periphlib in like ../../../../../../fuckyou
2014-10-09T11:00:25 < dongs> .. and only debug build works
2014-10-09T11:00:31 < dongs> release doesnt evne try to build, wrong paths/files/etc
2014-10-09T11:00:33 < dongs> fuckin great
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2014-10-09T11:14:27 < varesa> was there some difference in how the DMA worked between the different stm32f_ series?
2014-10-09T11:15:22 < jpa-> yes, F4/F3 have different DMA controller than F1/L1/L0
2014-10-09T11:15:39 < jpa-> it is similar in operation but F4/F3 DMA has more features
2014-10-09T11:18:29 < varesa> I remembered maybe dongs talking about "retarded DMA" in f1 or similar :)
2014-10-09T11:19:29 < jpa-> looks like yeah
2014-10-09T11:19:43 < jpa-> (apparently F3 DMA = F1 DMA and i remembered wrong)
2014-10-09T11:20:00 < varesa> and F2 = F4
2014-10-09T11:20:08 < jpa-> it's nowhere as retarded as F1 GPIO though
2014-10-09T11:21:05 < varesa> what's wrong with the GPIO?
2014-10-09T11:21:47 < jpa-> cannot select which peripheral the pin goes to
2014-10-09T11:22:01 < jpa-> so if you enable e.g. I2C and SPI and they share a pin, you cannot select which one gets it
2014-10-09T11:22:16 < jpa-> even if you don't need e.g. SPI NSS
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2014-10-09T11:25:38 < varesa> yeah...
2014-10-09T11:26:21 < varesa> I have a simple project I
2014-10-09T11:26:57 < varesa> I have a simple project I've done on a f4discovery I'm trying to find out what is the "lowest end" chip that it could easily run on
2014-10-09T11:27:27 < jpa-> it will require porting effort to run it on any non-F4 chip
2014-10-09T11:27:40 < jpa-> after that, it only comes to your application requirements
2014-10-09T11:29:28 < varesa> from what I can see in the datasheet an f1 seems to be just fine. It is a ws2812b led driver. Timer event triggers DMA which loads a new pulsewidth value
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2014-10-09T11:39:52 < varesa> should not be that hard to write from scratch either
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2014-10-09T12:26:31 < dongs> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.zlsl.sexshops attn Thorn
2014-10-09T12:46:11 < karlp> how specific
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2014-10-09T13:41:24 < dongs> how can i steal a 3d model from eoxisting altium design
2014-10-09T13:45:37 < karlp> gxti: re printf widths, the ones in <inttypes.h> don't include the %, I would have found it more suprising if lwip tried to.  You need to combine it with things like zero padding and alternative formatting stuff, so it couldn't even sanely include the % anyway
2014-10-09T13:47:13 < dongs> well nvm
2014-10-09T13:47:22 < dongs> i just copypasted the 3d object body from one component to another
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2014-10-09T14:33:37 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jsTVzyv.jpg what the fuck.
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2014-10-09T15:17:23 < dongs> hm xilinx appnote says I should be able to have 2 5 mil traces between 1mm pitch pads but it snot working
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2014-10-09T15:58:18 < dongs> WTF
2014-10-09T15:58:33 < dongs> tu in altium and it moves the fucking parts around
2014-10-09T15:58:45 < dongs> like plces them  in same place but swaps abcd
2014-10-09T15:59:58 < akaWolf> dongs: use a MG
2014-10-09T16:00:14 < dongs> um no
2014-10-09T16:00:27 < akaWolf> ok :)
2014-10-09T16:00:52 < akaWolf> then take a sex with Altium again and again :)
2014-10-09T16:03:52 < dongs> i guess ill upgrade to 14.3.15 and see if it was fixed
2014-10-09T16:03:58 < dongs> this is pretty fcking gay
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2014-10-09T16:06:27 < gxti> karlp: didn't know about inttypes.h but you're right about padding.
2014-10-09T16:07:05 < dongs> gxti: have you ever seen this happen
2014-10-09T16:08:56 < gxti> dongs: be more specific?
2014-10-09T16:09:32 < dongs> gxti: i made a new scheamtic sheet. placed a new multi-part component. p,p, click 5x to drop parts abcde down.
2014-10-09T16:09:45 < dongs> while i was placing b, c, i used -x- to flip them around
2014-10-09T16:09:52 < dongs> when all parts are placed, t, u to update designators
2014-10-09T16:10:23 < gxti> ah yeah, that can be annoying. there's a checkbox for lock subpart (in properties or schematic inspector)
2014-10-09T16:10:25 < dongs> it moves some of the parts around (swaps b/c basically), while keeping all wires connected in same place
2014-10-09T16:10:33 < dongs> why the fuck does it do that?
2014-10-09T16:10:38 < dongs> because of renaming designators?
2014-10-09T16:12:38 < dongs> that worked
2014-10-09T16:12:41 < dongs> lock part ID
2014-10-09T16:12:42 < gxti> the traditional use of subparts is for when you have N of the same unit e.g. opamp or logic, it only sucks when your subparts are different
2014-10-09T16:12:52 < dongs> yeah, heh
2014-10-09T16:13:26 < gxti> although even then you need to mess with it because you probably want two particular opamps grouped together
2014-10-09T16:13:53 < dongs> well, now it works. something else learend.
2014-10-09T16:14:56 < dongs> thanks
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2014-10-09T17:08:06 < gxti> ^_^
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2014-10-09T17:52:24 < mitrax> Is anyone here using CADStar? i'm wondering if it's a good alternative for medium complexity boards (4 layers max) compared to Orcad / Allegro / Altium etc
2014-10-09T17:53:05 < mitrax> atm we're using Eagle, which is complete crap and outdated
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2014-10-09T18:02:48 < lieron> Hi, is there a channel moderator I could PM?
2014-10-09T18:02:49 < karlp> good afernoon lieron :)
2014-10-09T18:02:49 < Claude> mitrax, thats Zukken ?
2014-10-09T18:02:49 < mitrax> Claude: yep
2014-10-09T18:03:02 < Claude> never used it by myself , but i heard and saw good stuff done with it
2014-10-09T18:03:28 < mitrax> ah
2014-10-09T18:04:15 < Claude> in my former job we had a cpu module , designed in zukken. the module was from digi (the xbee guys) , so seems like that pros use it too :)
2014-10-09T18:04:33 < scrts_w> we used Cadstar and now migrated to Cadence Allegro
2014-10-09T18:04:56 < scrts_w> I have a new board, designed by outsource company, with multiple problems...
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2014-10-09T18:05:12 < mitrax> Claude: ahaha
2014-10-09T18:05:20 < scrts_w> especially connectors rotated 180deg and the not fitted components are fitted, while the fitted ones are not
2014-10-09T18:05:30 < scrts_w> I still miss Altium so much...
2014-10-09T18:05:35 < Claude> rnd() populate board
2014-10-09T18:05:52 < Claude> yeah like it too
2014-10-09T18:05:58 < scrts_w> it was more like: do exactly the opposite I want
2014-10-09T18:06:01 < mitrax> scrts_w: but what was your experience regarding Cadstar? was it ok?
2014-10-09T18:06:26 < scrts_w> I didn't have a chance to work much with it, so the only thing I can say is that I like Altium much more
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2014-10-09T18:06:48 < mitrax> scrts_w: okay, so you went Altium => Cadstar => Allegro?
2014-10-09T18:06:51 < scrts_w> btw, they released free version of Altium?
2014-10-09T18:07:10 < mitrax> Altium looks interesting but it's frigging expensive
2014-10-09T18:07:29 < Claude> zukken is cheaper?
2014-10-09T18:07:32 < mitrax> well so is Allegro, but Cadstar is affordable in comparison
2014-10-09T18:07:41 < mitrax> Claude: <$1000 it seems
2014-10-09T18:07:49 < scrts_w> basically I was working with Altium in my previous job and I do some freelance stuff with Altium now. In my current job we moved from Cadstar to Cadence, but it's automotive, so maybe that was the reason of Cadence...
2014-10-09T18:08:03 < Claude> nice , thats the maintance fee for a single seat altium licence per year...
2014-10-09T18:08:35 < scrts_w> hmm, I thought there's a free version already there
2014-10-09T18:08:40 < scrts_w> read it on eevblog forum
2014-10-09T18:08:52 < scrts_w> btw, do you read general electronics forums?
2014-10-09T18:09:10 < Claude> i signed up for the free version , didn't get a key or login yet....
2014-10-09T18:09:31 < mitrax> hmm nevermind that's Cadstar "Essential", seems somewhat limited
2014-10-09T18:09:49 < mitrax> "The complete schematic to PCB design flow supports up to 1,000 pins on four layers with an effective cost of $1 per pin." uh
2014-10-09T18:10:04 < Claude> per layer? ;)
2014-10-09T18:10:34 < Claude> 1000 pins isn't that much tbh
2014-10-09T18:10:40 < mitrax> no it's not...
2014-10-09T18:10:54 < mitrax> indeed :(
2014-10-09T18:11:51 < Claude> we have a target3001 licence here too , try that and you will love eagle
2014-10-09T18:13:14 < mitrax> ahaha
2014-10-09T18:13:37 < mitrax> it's german as well
2014-10-09T18:13:58 < Claude> yes , same strangeness level as eagle :)
2014-10-09T18:14:54 < lieron> Hi all. Please excuse my shameless self promotion. I have recently launched an STM32F4 based product called Screvle (www.screvle.com). It's a development platform directly usuable as a product. It comes with a build-in web-based Lua development environment, making it super easy to write applications. Of course you can also still program it in C too. If you or anyone you know has any interest,
2014-10-09T18:14:54 < lieron> please let me know. Thanks in advance.
2014-10-09T18:17:02 < scrts_w> lieron: is it possible to test the firmware somehow in the website? :)
2014-10-09T18:17:32 < lieron> sadly not. What would you like to test?
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2014-10-09T18:17:57 < scrts_w> e.g. write a blinker app and check what's the waveform on a particular pin
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2014-10-09T18:19:41 < lieron> Not possible I'm afraid. I do have a PC based simulator that I use for some development of the Lua things. But really only usable for GUI as most of the features are stubbed. It also won't have the IDE.
2014-10-09T18:21:38 < Claude> lieron, how about to 'port' it to a stm32f4 disco . add some runtime constaints to the fw (e.g. 30 minutes) and provide a download link for the binary? meant as "evaluation" version
2014-10-09T18:22:18 < madist> that website makes me dizzy
2014-10-09T18:22:21 < lieron> That's a good suggestion actually.
2014-10-09T18:22:23 < Claude> hardware looks nice
2014-10-09T18:22:35 < lieron> Thanks :-).
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2014-10-09T18:30:32 < lieron> Claude, seems stm32f4 disco doesn't have ethernet so can demo something on there but not a lot.
2014-10-09T18:32:59 < PaulFertser> lieron: you can probably implement cdc_ether/rndis USB device or just use PPP over ACM to get networking support for it.
2014-10-09T18:33:53 < lieron> Been looking into that. Has anyone done rndis on STM32 before?
2014-10-09T18:35:48 < PaulFertser> I guess PPP is easier, lwip already has that.
2014-10-09T18:35:53 < PaulFertser> And ACM is commonly implemented
2014-10-09T18:37:10 < lieron> I have ACM running. Will give it a shot when I have some time.
2014-10-09T18:39:24 < Tectu> hi PaulFertser :)
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2014-10-09T18:41:30 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-29552557
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2014-10-09T18:43:15 < Laurenceb> Poes law
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2014-10-09T18:47:28 < PaulFertser> Tectu: hi :)
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2014-10-09T18:56:47 < Laurenceb> is there any way to download eagle files from farnell without registering?
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2014-10-09T19:01:31 < karlp> please don't do PPP over ACM, I think zyp did cdc_ether before,
2014-10-09T19:02:44 < karlp> though, as long as  you dont' do SLIP it's probably ok .)
2014-10-09T19:03:01 < lieron> I considered SLIP ;-)
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2014-10-09T19:06:09 < zyp> karlp, no, I've only done ACM so far
2014-10-09T19:06:33 < zyp> I have considered doing ether
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2014-10-09T19:06:53 < zyp> but I didn't get further than reading into the differences between EEM, ECM and NCM
2014-10-09T19:07:16 < lieron> I looked into it once too, it's pretty complex sadly
2014-10-09T19:07:45 < zyp> EEM seems really easy
2014-10-09T19:07:59 < zyp> IIRC :)
2014-10-09T19:12:48 < karlp> contiki has some support: http://www.deepdarc.com/2010/08/22/jackdaw-cdc-ecm/
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2014-10-09T19:24:03 < gxti> it has a line out and microphone, just make a modem
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2014-10-09T19:37:35 < akaWolf> Connecting To 192.168.1.100...Could not open connection to the host, on port 539
2014-10-09T19:37:43 < akaWolf> oops
2014-10-09T19:37:44 < zyp> ok
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2014-10-09T20:49:24 < Laurenceb> anyone know what they mean by panelized pcbs here?
2014-10-09T20:49:27 < Laurenceb> http://www.seeedstudio.com/service/index.php?r=pcb
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2014-10-09T20:58:48 < lieron> a PCB panel is e.g. 3 of the boards connected together in one big panel
2014-10-09T20:59:14 < lieron> usually your pcbs are either milled out around the edge except for a few points or they have v-cuts or so
2014-10-09T20:59:37 < Steffanx> I guess this is their way to allow you to do your own panelization Laurenceb
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2014-10-09T20:59:59 < Steffanx> By charging you more than it would cost to just order another 5x5cm board :D
2014-10-09T21:00:32 < englishman> Rly?
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2014-10-09T21:00:44 < englishman> Don't they let you cram whatever into 5x5
2014-10-09T21:00:55 < englishman> I know itead does
2014-10-09T21:00:58 < gxti> china fabs like to charge extra for anything a competent engineer might do
2014-10-09T21:01:04 < englishman> Oh check out dirtypcb too
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2014-10-09T21:01:29 < gxti> you can often get around 'panelization fees' by jsut putting a single dummy trace between  copies
2014-10-09T21:01:51 < Steffanx> englishman, itead doesn't allow very long slots etc. do they?
2014-10-09T21:02:37 < englishman> Maybe not anymore, but I got that about 1.5yrs ago no prob
2014-10-09T21:02:41 < Steffanx> At least not used for panelization
2014-10-09T21:03:12 < Steffanx> http://imall.iteadstudio.com/media/wysiwyg//PCB/PCB_sub.jpg ..
2014-10-09T21:03:54 < englishman> Ya but none of those are board outline
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2014-10-09T22:43:43 < Laurenceb_> loooooooooool
2014-10-09T22:43:52 < Laurenceb_> Tectu> there are people saying that   for(int i = 0; i < 5; ++i)   executes faster than   for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++)
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2014-10-09T22:48:34 < jadew> Laurenceb, it gets optimized out, but yes, that's the proper way to do it
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2014-10-09T23:10:12 < jadew> Laurenceb, it probably goes out back to the time when compilers were not doing such a great job when it came to optimization, so i++ actually translated to some reg = i + 1; i = reg; // because the for is still using the AFTER value and then if (i)
2014-10-09T23:11:08 < jadew> s/out//
2014-10-09T23:13:07 < jadew> by regular logic, i++ is actually wrong in that context
2014-10-09T23:13:44 < jadew> because people are expecting to increment i and then run the condition of the for, while i++ would suggest that the condition of the for is executed and then i is incremented
2014-10-09T23:15:10 < jadew> it's obviously made to work either way, but now that I think about it, I wonder if it's like this because of the widly spread wrong i++ usage or if it was actually by design
2014-10-09T23:16:06 < qyx_> "because people are expecting to increment i and then run the condition of the for," huh?
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2014-10-09T23:16:32 < jadew> qyx_, for (; second; first)
2014-10-09T23:16:34 < qyx_> how could be i++ and ++i different in that context?
2014-10-09T23:16:48 < jadew> i++ means use i, increment afterwards
2014-10-09T23:17:16 < qyx_> but thats not how for cycle fowkrs
2014-10-09T23:17:19 < qyx_> *works
2014-10-09T23:17:25 < jadew> in the context of a for, it would normally suggest that whatever condition uses i to be evaluated, and then i to be incremented
2014-10-09T23:17:30 < jadew> qyx_, yeah
2014-10-09T23:17:58 < jadew> but thinking about it I wonder if it was by design or it's simply because they missed that when they made the language and people used it the wrong way
2014-10-09T23:18:14 < jadew> then there was too late to fix
2014-10-09T23:18:31 < qyx_> but yes, i heard many people saying that ++i should be used, because it is obviously better
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2014-10-09T23:18:53 < jadew> with today's compilers I doubt it
2014-10-09T23:19:09 < qyx_> i never understood this obviousness
2014-10-09T23:19:09 < jadew> but it's still the proper way to do it, if anything, for clarity
2014-10-09T23:19:31 < jadew> it's not better performance wise
2014-10-09T23:19:45 < jadew> in that context ++i is the same with i++
2014-10-09T23:19:58 < jadew> but that doesn't mean that they don't suggest different things
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2014-10-10T00:32:22 < gxti> they are also functionally identical when that is the complete statement, so i disagree
2014-10-10T00:32:28 < gxti> they don't suggest different things.
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2014-10-10T00:50:33 < jadew> however, that's not the complete statement, the complete statement is for (whatever; whatever; ++i)
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2014-10-10T00:56:51 < gxti> statement was the wrong word
2014-10-10T00:57:04 < GargantuaSauce> s/statement/expression/ and it still holds
2014-10-10T00:57:05 < jadew> gxti, I know what you mean and you're right
2014-10-10T00:57:20 < jadew> but it's missleading on some level
2014-10-10T00:57:40 < GargantuaSauce> either way it'd be a pretty damn bad compiler that wouldn't treat the two identically in that case
2014-10-10T00:57:42 < gxti> in my head, i++ is a contraction of i += 1, and having it not be seems wrong. but C's syntax is not horribly intuitive anyway so it's hard to say whether the designer got it right.
2014-10-10T00:57:53 < jadew> GargantuaSauce, yeah
2014-10-10T00:58:05 < GargantuaSauce> actually i+=1 is closer to ++i
2014-10-10T00:58:09 < gxti> i know
2014-10-10T00:58:23 < jadew> yes, i++ is deffinitely not i += 1;
2014-10-10T00:59:07 < GargantuaSauce> in any case if we're talking about stupid for loop optimizations, don't you want to not increment at all but instead decrement? depending on ISA
2014-10-10T00:59:28 < GargantuaSauce> since i<x is actually (i-x)<0
2014-10-10T00:59:36 < gxti> maybe
2014-10-10T00:59:59 < jadew> GargantuaSauce, would probably more efficient, but i is usually used as an index for an array or something
2014-10-10T01:00:24 < gxti> i wouldn't say usually, but the cases where you'd actually gain enough to be worth the headache of doing something different are slim to none
2014-10-10T01:00:24 < GargantuaSauce> yeah in which case you have to worry about caching and such if it's an architecture that involves that
2014-10-10T01:00:39 < GargantuaSauce> i think doing optimizations on that level is pretty dumb anyway
2014-10-10T01:01:22 < qyx_> lets do dumb things
2014-10-10T01:01:40 < gxti> *(void*)0 = 0x1337;
2014-10-10T01:01:51 < gxti> am i doin it rite
2014-10-10T01:02:08 < jadew> don't think it will compile
2014-10-10T01:02:17 < GargantuaSauce> yeah can't be void
2014-10-10T01:02:19 < gxti> he did say dumb
2014-10-10T01:03:29 < jadew> gxti, would be cool if on some architecture that meant jump to reset vect :P
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2014-10-10T01:10:25 < jadew> looks like SSDs are getting cheaper
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2014-10-10T01:10:41 < GargantuaSauce> i built my first machine with no spinny harddrives recently
2014-10-10T01:10:44 < GargantuaSauce> pleased with that
2014-10-10T01:11:08 < jadew> nice, I just need too much space for the system drive
2014-10-10T01:11:30 < jadew> used to have a 250 Gb HDD and it wasn't enough
2014-10-10T01:11:34 < GargantuaSauce> it has a 480gb one
2014-10-10T01:11:45 < jadew> nice, that should be plenty
2014-10-10T01:12:17 < GargantuaSauce> that's just for video though, i can make do with waay less than that for the os drives
2014-10-10T01:13:06 < jadew> I currently have 200 Gb occupied on the system OS
2014-10-10T01:13:21 < jadew> I used to have 50 Gb assigned for linux
2014-10-10T01:13:33 < jadew> now linux got the 250 Gb hdd and the new system disk is 500 Gb
2014-10-10T01:14:22 < jadew> how much did you pay for the 480 one?
2014-10-10T01:14:38 < GargantuaSauce> well i didn't pay for it thankfully
2014-10-10T01:15:01 < jadew> ah, lucky
2014-10-10T01:15:08 < qyx_> 200gb system drive?
2014-10-10T01:15:21 < jadew> 200 gb occupied
2014-10-10T01:15:31 < qyx_> even worse
2014-10-10T01:15:41 < jadew> I have a lot of crap...
2014-10-10T01:15:56 < hjf> how do i debug an "unhandled exception"? gdb shows me i'm on _unhandled_exceptions() but the backtrace is all 0xfffffc
2014-10-10T01:16:15 < GargantuaSauce> i cant find the invoice offhand but i think it was like $400
2014-10-10T01:16:30 < GargantuaSauce> not great bang for buck
2014-10-10T01:16:30 < jadew> GargantuaSauce, that's not bad, they're much more expensive in here
2014-10-10T01:16:47 < jadew> hjf, someone here gave me a script for gdb that unwrapps the exceptions
2014-10-10T01:17:34 < GargantuaSauce> ooh they're on sale again http://www.ncix.com/detail/intel-730-series-480gb-ssd-6b-94548-1081.htm
2014-10-10T01:17:35 < jadew> GargantuaSauce, seems like you're really paying for Gb with no benefits from going up in volume
2014-10-10T01:18:00 < qyx_> i recently bought 120GB intel ssd for 64e
2014-10-10T01:18:05 < qyx_> incl vat
2014-10-10T01:18:33 < GargantuaSauce> well it's for dealing with raw video in realtime
2014-10-10T01:18:36 < jadew> hjf: http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/zippe-armv7m-vecstate.gdb
2014-10-10T01:18:38 < GargantuaSauce> which has stupid bitrates
2014-10-10T01:19:05 < jadew> I only want my programs to start faster
2014-10-10T01:19:23 < qyx_> then 60G is enough for you
2014-10-10T01:19:39 < jadew> qyx_, not really, I really do have a lot of stuff
2014-10-10T01:19:49 < jadew> I also have a 30 Gb database on that drive
2014-10-10T01:19:53 < GargantuaSauce> why
2014-10-10T01:19:55 < qyx_> really useful stuff
2014-10-10T01:20:02 < jadew> it's for work
2014-10-10T01:20:03 < GargantuaSauce> put the stuff that doesn't need high througput on a cheaper hd
2014-10-10T01:20:04 < qyx_> waste of space
2014-10-10T01:20:11 < jadew> it needs high speed
2014-10-10T01:20:23 < jadew> otherwise I'd have to wait longer for changes I'm making to it
2014-10-10T01:20:48 < hjf> jadew: how do you use that? also ist that for STM32F4? i dont know what the different ARM models are (cortex,whatever)
2014-10-10T01:21:19 < jadew> hjf, sorry, I didn't consider you might be using a different architecture
2014-10-10T01:21:33 < jadew> in that case I don't know if that will help you
2014-10-10T01:23:23 < qyx_> isnt F4 arm-v7m?
2014-10-10T01:23:40 < jadew> it is, but i suspect he's using a different chip
2014-10-10T01:25:15 < jadew> sorry, I was wrong earlier
2014-10-10T01:25:17 < jadew> 200 Gb free
2014-10-10T01:25:25 < jadew> 283 Gb occupied
2014-10-10T01:25:42 < jadew> programs + their data + windows = 180 Gb alone
2014-10-10T01:32:41 < jadew> GargantuaSauce, found it cheaper in here
2014-10-10T01:32:46 < jadew> at about $300
2014-10-10T01:32:51 < GargantuaSauce> cool
2014-10-10T01:33:08 < jadew> ah, sorry, that series is actually more like $500
2014-10-10T01:33:13 < jadew> was looking at another one from intel
2014-10-10T01:33:21 < GargantuaSauce> yeah this one is super fancy
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2014-10-10T03:14:55 < dongs> watcha buying
2014-10-10T03:15:37 < dongs> ncix.com sounds like canadian dollars which is useless
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2014-10-10T03:20:39 < jadew> dongs, nothing it's still too much compared to what I'm willing to pay
2014-10-10T03:20:49 < dongs> agreed
2014-10-10T03:21:02 < dongs> im using some intel 180gb ssd for system drive and its plenty
2014-10-10T03:21:19 < dongs> 500gb isnt necessary for OS.
2014-10-10T03:21:35 < jadew> as I was saying earlier, I have some stuff that take a lot
2014-10-10T03:21:43 < jadew> ISE alone takes 32 Gb
2014-10-10T03:21:43 < dongs> it doesnt need to be on system drive
2014-10-10T03:21:49 < dongs> thats in a VM for me
2014-10-10T03:21:54 < dongs> which is on network storage
2014-10-10T03:22:01 < dongs> ISE doesnt even fucking RUN in windows 8.1
2014-10-10T03:22:04 < dongs> what a fucking joke
2014-10-10T03:22:07 < dongs> xilinx = shitheap
2014-10-10T03:22:11 < jadew> really?
2014-10-10T03:22:13 < dongs> yes
2014-10-10T03:22:20 < jadew> I thought java stuff runs everywhere
2014-10-10T03:22:25 < dongs> XP to 7 is their supported OS, it breaks all over teh shit in 8.1
2014-10-10T03:22:40 < dongs> there are hacks to make it work but half hte apps dont work and it breaks integration
2014-10-10T03:22:47 < jadew> I wonder what they could possibly do that it's system dependent
2014-10-10T03:22:51 < dongs> its not really java, there's a few copies of JVM inside ISE tools but a lot of shit is native
2014-10-10T03:23:05 < jadew> I see
2014-10-10T03:23:08 < dongs> last i cared to check tehre's some memory allocation stuff dll taht breaks on 8.x
2014-10-10T03:23:39 < dongs> which of course all tools use, so it breaks all of htem
2014-10-10T03:23:55 < dongs> anyway, they only support vivado shit on 8.x, which doesnt support anything below 7-series fpga... fuckem
2014-10-10T03:24:07 < dongs> so I just pirated latest ISE13.whatever or 14.wahtever and installed it in VM to stick it to them.
2014-10-10T03:27:19 < qyx_> ise is java stuff?
2014-10-10T03:27:28 < qyx_> looked like something with QT
2014-10-10T03:28:03 < dongs> qyx, there's some java and TCL in tehre
2014-10-10T03:28:09 < qyx_> pfff tcp
2014-10-10T03:28:11 < qyx_> *tcl
2014-10-10T03:28:13 < dongs> i know there's definitely at least 2 copies of JVM
2014-10-10T03:28:20 < dongs> so something uses java
2014-10-10T03:28:33 < jadew> because that makes sense
2014-10-10T03:28:35 < jadew> to have 2 copies
2014-10-10T03:28:40 < qyx_> definitely
2014-10-10T03:29:25 < jadew> I assumed the IDE itself is java
2014-10-10T03:29:33 < jadew> it looks javaish
2014-10-10T03:32:12 < dongs> yeah there's "java' and "java6'"
2014-10-10T03:32:16 < dongs> wiht a copy of jre in each
2014-10-10T03:32:19 < dongs> what teh fuuuuu
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2014-10-10T03:35:14 < dongs> hahahaha
2014-10-10T03:35:17 < dongs> therews WAY more
2014-10-10T03:35:26 < dongs> there's a copy under PlanAhead and EDK
2014-10-10T03:35:30 < dongs> 5 copies so far
2014-10-10T03:35:53 < qyx_> seems like a bunch of trhings glued together
2014-10-10T03:36:01 < dongs> yea thats waht fpga tools usually are
2014-10-10T03:36:06 < dongs> actel is the worst for that shit
2014-10-10T03:36:15 < dongs> theirs was jsut a bunch of totally unrelated trialware shit stuck together
2014-10-10T03:36:29 < dongs> at least xilinx tries to make an effort to integrate shit
2014-10-10T03:38:32 < dongs> 60 90 137 150 < this is how many megs 4 copies of jvm take up.
2014-10-10T03:38:45 < dongs> 5th one was just some license shit, not actual binaries. just searched for "JRE"
2014-10-10T03:39:09 < dongs> i also didnt install half the tools (only installed FPGA/CPLD stuff) so there's likely more in a full install
2014-10-10T03:39:11 < jadew> so nothing compared to the overal size
2014-10-10T03:39:43 < dongs> point is, if they dont care that theres 4 copies of jvm, clearly they dont care how much spaec the rest of the shit takes up
2014-10-10T03:39:53 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-10T03:41:04 < jadew> there aren't many companies that make an actual effort to deliver good software
2014-10-10T03:41:13 < jadew> Agilent seems to be one of the few companies that do
2014-10-10T03:41:23 < jadew> but I can't think of any other one right now
2014-10-10T03:42:01 < qyx_> common, microsoft!
2014-10-10T03:42:12 < jadew> talking about EE related ones
2014-10-10T03:42:14 < qyx_> provides you the best environment for your pro ee software!
2014-10-10T03:42:27 < qyx_> and stuff
2014-10-10T03:42:29 < qyx_> malware, etc.
2014-10-10T03:42:37 < qyx_> anyway, bedtime
2014-10-10T03:42:37 < dongs> plz
2014-10-10T03:42:43 < dongs> unfunny trolling is unfunny
2014-10-10T03:43:20 < dongs> what the hell does PlanAhead do that ISE doesn't ?
2014-10-10T03:44:03 < jadew> never used it, I write my constraints file by hand
2014-10-10T03:44:11 < dongs> its more than taht i think
2014-10-10T03:44:26 < dongs> apparently its a whole thing that does same shit ISE does as far as i can tell
2014-10-10T03:44:39 < jadew> heh
2014-10-10T03:44:45 < dongs> PlanAhead software provides a comprehensive cockpit for creating and verifying RTL designs in either Verilog or VHDL, including access to the Xilinx IP catalog through CORE Generator integration. PlanAhead includes an RTL technology view, where a fast elaboration of RTL sources will yield access to a schematic view, resource and power estimation. Management of synthesis runs is achieved through integration with XST.
2014-10-10T03:44:53 < dongs> ????
2014-10-10T03:45:36 < jadew> I think you can see the schematic with it
2014-10-10T03:45:51 < jadew> and which parts of the chip are being used
2014-10-10T03:46:11 < dongs> you can do that in ISE too
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2014-10-10T03:48:18 < dongs> yeah i just made a test project in that shit
2014-10-10T03:48:21 < dongs> its basically same thing as ISE
2014-10-10T03:48:32 < jadew> weird
2014-10-10T03:48:34 < dongs> you can edit some hdl, synthesize, implement, generate bitstream, debug, wwhatever
2014-10-10T03:49:38 < dongs> add a new module, can add i/o ports etc... actually interface looks a bit less chunky than ISE's.
2014-10-10T03:49:41 < dongs> maybe ill try this shit instead.
2014-10-10T03:52:11 < dongs> lul, saw " waiting for tcl command " briefly
2014-10-10T03:52:53 < jadew> that's an awful language
2014-10-10T03:53:11 < jadew> I don't know why someone would promote that crap
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2014-10-10T03:55:24 < jadew> I guess it's old enough to let it slide for existing
2014-10-10T03:55:33 < jadew> but I don't get it why it's still being in use
2014-10-10T03:55:46 < dongs> cuz this shit is (c) xilinx 1989-2012
2014-10-10T03:55:54 < dongs> no, 1986-
2014-10-10T03:56:02 < jadew> ah!
2014-10-10T03:56:51 < dongs> http://forums.xilinx.com/t5/Design-Planning/Diffrence-between-planAhead-and-ISE/td-p/146050
2014-10-10T03:59:31 < dongs> apparently it is same shit + better
2014-10-10T03:59:39 < dongs> fuck xilinx for wasting gigs of space for same shit
2014-10-10T03:59:42 < jadew> haha
2014-10-10T03:59:48 < jadew> was watching stargate
2014-10-10T03:59:55 < jadew> and in this episode they were made "better"
2014-10-10T04:00:06 < jadew> and they were discussing that they're the same people... just "better"
2014-10-10T04:00:17 < jadew> then you said it's the same shit + better :P
2014-10-10T04:00:53 < jadew> Teal'c is kinda upset about it
2014-10-10T04:06:12 < dongs> 9.6gb in ISE dir
2014-10-10T04:06:15 < dongs> gonna try renaming it
2014-10-10T04:06:21 < dongs> and see if I can do a complet eproject in planahead
2014-10-10T04:06:27 < dongs> and if it doesnt bug out, ill just delete it
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2014-10-10T04:22:55 < englishman> who's buying from ncix
2014-10-10T04:22:59 < englishman> dont buy from ncix
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2014-10-10T04:31:00 < GargantuaSauce> why
2014-10-10T04:31:22 < englishman> ahwell i guess its ok for canadians
2014-10-10T04:31:30 < GargantuaSauce> ya
2014-10-10T04:31:40 < englishman> but internationally i'm sure theres better
2014-10-10T04:31:46 < GargantuaSauce> oh definitely
2014-10-10T04:32:11 < englishman> i had the pleasure of going to their stores when i lived in that area
2014-10-10T04:32:58 < GargantuaSauce> i imagine i'd have a blast there
2014-10-10T04:33:13 < englishman> how so
2014-10-10T04:33:21 < englishman> you enjoy waiting in line between two neckbeards
2014-10-10T04:33:30 < englishman> to deal with a smelly neckbeard
2014-10-10T04:33:38 < englishman> who doesnt have what you want in stock anyway
2014-10-10T04:35:22 < GargantuaSauce> so you had the displeasure you mean
2014-10-10T04:35:42 < GargantuaSauce> i can definitely see myself frolicking down the GPU aisle
2014-10-10T04:36:03 < englishman> 'aisle'
2014-10-10T04:36:08 < GargantuaSauce> section
2014-10-10T04:36:24 < englishman> their stores are just a counter
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2014-10-10T04:36:33 < GargantuaSauce> oh.
2014-10-10T04:36:50 < GargantuaSauce> i was picturing something like ikea
2014-10-10T04:36:55 < GargantuaSauce> fuck you for destroying my fantasies
2014-10-10T04:36:56 < englishman> you know, yellowed 3dfx posters, aging beige crap behind black cages
2014-10-10T04:37:16  * GargantuaSauce covers his ears
2014-10-10T04:39:22 < dongs> sup pro allegero router
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2014-10-10T04:39:38 < englishman> hahaha
2014-10-10T04:39:45 < dongs> haha fcc
2014-10-10T04:39:48 < dongs> r u srs
2014-10-10T04:39:48 < GargantuaSauce> why would you even ask that
2014-10-10T04:40:17 < dongs> how can a chip made out of stolen IP in a shady chinese factory be certified for anything
2014-10-10T04:40:42 < englishman> you could ask them to print the fcc logo on it if thatll make you happy
2014-10-10T04:40:53 < dongs> englishman: did you see those 10x10mm modules with ESP
2014-10-10T04:40:58 < englishman> link
2014-10-10T04:41:06 < dongs> was someshit off ebay sec
2014-10-10T04:41:34 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281462170440
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2014-10-10T04:42:03 < englishman> dongs: cool
2014-10-10T04:42:09 < GargantuaSauce> doesnt an actual product have to be certified as a whole anyway
2014-10-10T04:42:10 < dongs> and its cool cuz has u.fl antenna
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2014-10-10T04:42:13 < englishman> yeah
2014-10-10T04:42:22 < englishman> internetofdicks all the things
2014-10-10T04:42:26 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: not necessarily, if module is certified then no
2014-10-10T04:44:13 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kenburns/tinyscreen-a-color-display-the-size-of-your-thumb lol so dumb
2014-10-10T04:44:51 < jadew> how the hell are they getting funded?
2014-10-10T04:44:58 < jadew> where are they finding those people?
2014-10-10T04:45:27 < englishman> presumably the internet
2014-10-10T04:46:45 < jadew> how? it seems like everyone out there has either a big social network or they have means to reach the users
2014-10-10T04:47:14 < MrMobius> are those custom LCDs or just from a cell phone?
2014-10-10T04:47:16 < jadew> it's either that or people get super excited about their stuff (personally I don't see it) and they share it with their own friends and it gets viral
2014-10-10T04:47:28 < englishman> theyre cheap china oleds
2014-10-10T04:47:38 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-10T04:47:53 < MrMobius> derp
2014-10-10T04:48:26 < englishman> https://www.crystalfontz.com/product/CFAL9664BFB1
2014-10-10T04:48:30 < englishman> example
2014-10-10T04:49:04 < jadew> like 2 x 7 Seg displays can't do it
2014-10-10T04:49:21 < jadew> and they cost peanuts
2014-10-10T04:50:48 < jadew> I'd like to see it if he does
2014-10-10T04:52:56 < jadew> that tinyshit is pissing me off, because I barely got 5 funders for my campaign
2014-10-10T04:53:23 < englishman> post it on hackaday
2014-10-10T04:53:40 < jadew> englishman, I don't think hackaday wants to post anything about it
2014-10-10T04:54:17 < jadew> mainly (I think) because someone who worked/works there made something similar
2014-10-10T04:54:26 < jadew> R2COM, no
2014-10-10T04:54:30 < jadew> it's not a dev board
2014-10-10T04:54:40 < jadew> it's not even open source
2014-10-10T04:55:00 < jadew> read the specs
2014-10-10T04:55:01 < dongs> url to your dickstarter
2014-10-10T04:55:12 < jadew> or better yet, watch something from the gallery
2014-10-10T04:55:26 < jadew> ok, there it is: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/proto-talk/x/8683663
2014-10-10T04:55:35 < jadew> this is what I've been working on for the past... whatever months
2014-10-10T04:56:13 < jadew> what's wrong with it?
2014-10-10T04:56:52 < jadew> I'm trying to be honest, it says what it's for in the video
2014-10-10T04:57:10 < dongs> its not a clone of buttpirate so its doomed to fail
2014-10-10T04:57:15 < dongs> also no arduino or pic
2014-10-10T04:57:54 < jadew> R2COM, again, you can check the i2c video in the gallery for an idea, but that one doesn't hint on the point of the board
2014-10-10T04:58:07 < jadew> communicating to other shit is nothing new, but I aimed for very high baudrate resolution
2014-10-10T04:58:13 < jadew> and 1.2 V to 5 V levels
2014-10-10T04:58:36 < dongs> R2COM: looks like a bus sniffer/analyzer/generator to me
2014-10-10T04:59:06 < jadew> ok... so now I know what the issue is hehe
2014-10-10T04:59:06 < dongs> probaqbly limited use to make:R crowd because they just google for someshit.ino and copypaste the crappy code instead of trying to figture out why shit doesnt work
2014-10-10T04:59:37 < dongs> <maker> this 1wire temperature sensors doesnt work what should i do
2014-10-10T04:59:50 < jadew> R2COM, people don't know what it's for
2014-10-10T04:59:53 < dongs> <maker> im going to google and see if someone wrote another arduino sketch for it
2014-10-10T05:00:19 < jadew> yeah, I don't think there's a huge market for it either
2014-10-10T05:00:37 < jadew> but I was hoping it wouldn't be that bad
2014-10-10T05:00:56 < englishman> where did you advertise
2014-10-10T05:01:01 < englishman> do you have an article in wired
2014-10-10T05:01:17 < jadew> englishman, only in the crowdsourcing section on eevblog, I don't like to spam so...
2014-10-10T05:01:26 < jadew> englishman, of course not
2014-10-10T05:01:28 < dongs> spam is the only way shit gets done
2014-10-10T05:01:29 < englishman> no spam = no sales
2014-10-10T05:02:19 < jadew> that's what got raised so far
2014-10-10T05:02:24 < jadew> oh yeah
2014-10-10T05:02:29 < dongs> hm di.fm/goapsy or /trance
2014-10-10T05:02:31 < jadew> you can get several, but it's fixed funding
2014-10-10T05:02:39 < englishman> /goapsy
2014-10-10T05:02:39 < jadew> I can't get any hookers if it doesn't hit the goal
2014-10-10T05:03:07 < dongs> hm, i was just recently digging through indiescamgo and I didnt come across that proj
2014-10-10T05:03:15 < dongs> i only went through like ~5 pages under /technology tho
2014-10-10T05:03:26 < dongs> it must be really buried
2014-10-10T05:03:42 < jadew> dongs, yeah, it got buried
2014-10-10T05:04:17 < jadew> do you guys think this its worth investing more time in this?
2014-10-10T05:04:43 < englishman> not with that attitude
2014-10-10T05:04:55 < englishman> you made it now go SELL
2014-10-10T05:05:02 < englishman> your shit is useless if nobody knows about it
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2014-10-10T05:05:42 < jadew> R2COM, was considering enclosures, but I'm not 100% sure yet
2014-10-10T05:06:00 < englishman> yeah most successful dickstarters NEVER show the product
2014-10-10T05:06:06 < jadew> lol
2014-10-10T05:06:08 < englishman> just birds tweeting and cute girls and stuff
2014-10-10T05:06:18 < jadew> R2COM, you're right
2014-10-10T05:06:38 < jadew> I'll give it a try right after I clean my desk again
2014-10-10T05:06:48 < jadew> took me a day to get it into that state (as in the video)
2014-10-10T05:07:13 < upgrdman> what video?
2014-10-10T05:07:36 < jadew> there's a short video on the page, my spoken english sucks so you might be better off :P
2014-10-10T05:08:07 < upgrdman> link? i think i joined after you linked.
2014-10-10T05:08:13 < jadew> ah
2014-10-10T05:08:29 < jadew> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/proto-talk/x/8683663
2014-10-10T05:09:36 < jadew> tbh, a quick look over the page fails to convey what I actually see this product like when it'll be ready
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2014-10-10T05:10:05 < jadew> I want to support tons of stuff via the SDK, in the form of external modules
2014-10-10T05:10:14 < jadew> (built on top of the existing ones)
2014-10-10T05:10:17 < dongs> jadew: so its not a  buttpirate clone?
2014-10-10T05:10:23 < jadew> dongs, no
2014-10-10T05:10:32 < jadew> it's like that, but a lot better
2014-10-10T05:10:44 < dongs> its not hard to be better than buttpirate
2014-10-10T05:10:47 < dongs> the bar is pretty low.
2014-10-10T05:11:03 < jadew> I know, when I said I did it, from the first version, I was refering to it :P
2014-10-10T05:11:12 < jadew> R2COM1, yeah
2014-10-10T05:11:13 < jadew> why?
2014-10-10T05:11:17 < dongs> R2COM1: he does better, he programs C on win
2014-10-10T05:12:02 < jadew> via the PC hardware?
2014-10-10T05:12:14 < jadew> what is that other wifi module?
2014-10-10T05:12:40 < jadew> depends on what kind of connection you want
2014-10-10T05:12:44 < jadew> and the other device
2014-10-10T05:12:55 < jadew> if it's something small, you probably want sockets
2014-10-10T05:13:02 < upgrdman> jadew: fwiw, your spoken english isn't bad.
2014-10-10T05:13:15 < jadew> upgrdman, thanks, it sounds very weird to my ears
2014-10-10T05:13:22 < dongs> also
2014-10-10T05:13:33 < jadew> R2COM, then sockets
2014-10-10T05:13:33 < dongs> based on all the "successful" dickstarters I've seen
2014-10-10T05:13:38 < upgrdman> jadew: it sounds like you were using an internal or junk mic. but you as a person sound find.
2014-10-10T05:13:41 < upgrdman> s/find/fine
2014-10-10T05:13:46 < dongs> the product must not actually solve any problem for it to be succesful
2014-10-10T05:13:56 < dongs> infact the more useless it is the higher are chances of scuess.
2014-10-10T05:14:06 < jadew> R2COM, I guess it depends a lot on what the other device can do
2014-10-10T05:14:20 < jadew> I don't think all embeded devices with wifi actually support a TCP stafck
2014-10-10T05:14:22 < jadew> *stack
2014-10-10T05:14:23 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digistump/digispark-the-tiny-arduino-enabled-usb-dev-board i mean REALLY
2014-10-10T05:14:35 < dongs> take a fucking look at this shit
2014-10-10T05:14:54 < jadew> dongs, hehe
2014-10-10T05:15:11 < dongs> shit is beyond useless
2014-10-10T05:15:18 < dongs> and why the fuck are they using that giant LM7805 there
2014-10-10T05:15:31 < dongs> 100?
2014-10-10T05:15:39 < dongs> isnt it 1000x
2014-10-10T05:15:55 < jadew> R2COM, I haven't done much plain socket work in C#, but I suspect you can do it just as with C/C++ and you may even have some other helper classes
2014-10-10T05:16:06 < jadew> you'll have to look into it
2014-10-10T05:16:07 < englishman> 5 million dollars?
2014-10-10T05:16:09 < dongs> i've done tcp socket/server/clienmt stuff in C#
2014-10-10T05:16:10 < dongs> it works fine
2014-10-10T05:16:15 < jadew> but if your device supports TCP, that's the best way of doing it
2014-10-10T05:17:10 < jadew> heh, yeah... I guess I should have called it proto-duino
2014-10-10T05:17:22 < dongs> I live in Tel Aviv, Israel - "SiliconValley" for Technology & Innovation. Join us to fund the first "KickStart Tel Aviv FEST 2015"
2014-10-10T05:17:33 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1058334310/kickstart-tel-aviv-fest-2015
2014-10-10T05:17:42 < englishman> this is your dickstarter dongs
2014-10-10T05:18:01 < dongs> yes, sadly its not getting done
2014-10-10T05:19:13 < dongs> thats the catch
2014-10-10T05:19:17 < dongs> just give me money
2014-10-10T05:19:31 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1623255426/fps1000-the-low-cost-high-frame-rate-camera considering backing this
2014-10-10T05:19:40 < dongs> a bit spendy tho
2014-10-10T05:19:45 < dongs> yes
2014-10-10T05:20:09 < jadew> dongs, just saw it earlier and wanted to back it too, but then I realized I have no need for it
2014-10-10T05:20:48 < dongs> R2COM: "proprietary information"
2014-10-10T05:20:50 < dongs> no
2014-10-10T05:21:03 < dongs> i'm a tiny bit skeptical how hes doing 5gbit/sec writes to standard nand
2014-10-10T05:21:10 < dongs> you can bullshit around all you want, but
2014-10-10T05:21:27 < dongs> thats 650~-ish meg/sec
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2014-10-10T05:21:46 < dongs> whoever makes them
2014-10-10T05:21:49 < dongs> aptina or whatever
2014-10-10T05:21:57 < dongs> it is a nice sensor tho, global shutter
2014-10-10T05:22:02 < dongs> he wont say waht it is
2014-10-10T05:22:55 < dongs> found them
2014-10-10T05:22:55 < gxti> 5gbit on 2 nand chips? yeah right
2014-10-10T05:23:07 < dongs> gxti: right
2014-10-10T05:25:54 < dongs> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=PYTHON300 could be this
2014-10-10T05:26:40 < dongs> has ROI, so you can get higher fps from smaller area, like he says
2014-10-10T05:27:04 < dongs> hm his spec says 4.7um pixels
2014-10-10T05:28:03 < gxti> actually it might be about right, looking at micron's product lineup
2014-10-10T05:28:17 < gxti> but i've never worked with this stuff so my math could be off
2014-10-10T05:28:25 < dongs> his is 68LCC
2014-10-10T05:28:39 < dongs> ok its not python300
2014-10-10T05:28:44 < dongs> that's 48lcc
2014-10-10T05:29:23 < dongs> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=VITA5000 could be this for 5mp version
2014-10-10T05:30:06 < gxti> ah this is the stuff in picture http://www.micron.com/parts/nand-flash/mass-storage/mt29f128g08amcabh2-10z?matpart={D8D8AB51-25E5-4491-880F-32EB2229B85D}
2014-10-10T05:30:40 < dongs> datasheet needs login?
2014-10-10T05:30:44 < dongs> what the fduck
2014-10-10T05:30:48 < gxti> don't really need it
2014-10-10T05:30:55 < gxti> 8 bit, 200MT/s
2014-10-10T05:31:06 < dongs> what is MT
2014-10-10T05:31:34 < dongs> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NOIV1SN5000A-D.PDF
2014-10-10T05:31:39 < dongs> i'd say thats a pretty close match
2014-10-10T05:31:52 < gxti> guessing T is whatever the bus width is, so 3200mbit/s total across both chips
2014-10-10T05:32:08 < gxti> their fastest is 333MT/s i.e. 5238mbit/s
2014-10-10T05:33:55 < dongs> hmmm
2014-10-10T05:34:15 < dongs> vita5000 256x256 fps = 2260 from datasheet, he  claims 5500
2014-10-10T05:35:43 < dongs> holy shit that sensor is $450
2014-10-10T05:36:22 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=us&keywords=NOIV1SE5000A-QDCOS-ND
2014-10-10T05:36:28 < dongs> well 535 on digikety
2014-10-10T05:37:00 < dongs> $100 less for monochrome version
2014-10-10T05:37:07 < dongs> i guess he's not raping too much on the dickstarter then
2014-10-10T05:37:37 < dongs> wait, he is
2014-10-10T05:37:38 < jadew> I don't think it can even be done at that price
2014-10-10T05:37:45 < dongs> $1500 for 5mp version
2014-10-10T05:37:55 < jadew> ah... 600 pounds
2014-10-10T05:38:06 < dongs> jadew: wel, its already done, it seems. but im sceptical about claimed nand write speed
2014-10-10T05:38:15 < dongs> all highspeed shits I know use sdram... not flash
2014-10-10T05:38:36 < dongs> if he managed to solve write speed with 2 flash chips, intel & co might be interested in his "invention" for ssd drives heh
2014-10-10T05:39:05 < dongs> unless hes doing light realtime compression (RLE or similar)
2014-10-10T05:39:42 < dongs> R2COM: no, sensor is 500bux
2014-10-10T05:39:46 < dongs> see digikey link
2014-10-10T05:39:53 < dongs> 1500 is his assembled camera
2014-10-10T05:39:56 < dongs> w/ that sensor
2014-10-10T05:40:05 < jadew> it wouldn't be reliable, he's probably doing some real time compression, but you have to asume the worst
2014-10-10T05:40:25 < jadew> different pixels
2014-10-10T05:40:37 < jadew> RLE for example relies on sequences of pixels being the same
2014-10-10T05:40:47 < jadew> (same compression used in the old PCX file format)
2014-10-10T05:41:20 < jadew> but you could have different values for each consecutive pixel, so RLE would generate bigger files instead
2014-10-10T05:44:37 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1071086547/ampy-power-your-devices-from-your-motion?ref=category
2014-10-10T05:46:57 < jadew> they don't give any numbers
2014-10-10T05:47:09 < dongs> thats why they're getting funded
2014-10-10T05:47:14 < dongs> you dont need to give any numbers
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2014-10-10T05:49:35 < dongs> http://www.dragoninnovation.com/certificates/40-ampy-by-ampy heh
2014-10-10T05:49:54 < BrainDamage> I espect it to get pretty uncomfortable the instant they start drawing even 1W mechanical energy
2014-10-10T05:50:16 < gxti> now that's where the money is: consulting
2014-10-10T05:50:21 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nophone-usa/nophone-0 doh
2014-10-10T05:50:35 < gxti> tell kickstarter nerds what they want to hear and take their money
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2014-10-10T05:50:43 < dongs> gxti: yeah, considered doing consulting for dickstarter dicks
2014-10-10T05:50:48 < dongs> but too much work
2014-10-10T05:50:48 < dongs> im lazy
2014-10-10T05:51:58 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1768516758/duo-light?ref=category
2014-10-10T05:52:01 < dongs> ... WHY
2014-10-10T05:52:19 < jadew> lol @ nophone
2014-10-10T05:52:33 < dongs> The DUO Light is a hybrid of the Arduino UNO and the Raspberry Pi, but costs less than each. At the heart of the DUO Light is the ATMega328, the same microcontroller as in the Arduino UNO. This chip connects to a variety of peripheral devices, including a composite video monitor and SD card (in a similar fashion to the Raspberry Pi), PS/2 keyboard, and general purpose I/O ports. The second chip onboard is a 64 KB serial SRAM, which also connects to the ATMega328.
2014-10-10T05:52:40 < dongs> fucking dumb omg
2014-10-10T05:53:40 < jadew> some people might need just those peripherals and are familiar with arduino
2014-10-10T05:53:59 < jadew> I think that's what it all comes down to
2014-10-10T05:54:02 < jadew> familiarity
2014-10-10T05:55:21 < dongs> haha @ 2:33 in video
2014-10-10T05:55:24 < dongs> its glitching like crazy
2014-10-10T05:55:26 < dongs> with keyboard input
2014-10-10T05:55:29 < dongs> man, total shit
2014-10-10T05:56:41 < dongs> hahaa
2014-10-10T05:56:52 < dongs> "those graphical glitches occur when kjeybnoad signals interrupt video generation"
2014-10-10T05:57:12 < jadew> that's because he has barely any CPU left after generating the vga signal
2014-10-10T05:57:23 < dongs> of course
2014-10-10T05:59:12 < dongs> http://www.ostracodfiles.com/mega/IMG_1141.JPG ..
2014-10-10T05:59:40 < jadew> wth is that?
2014-10-10T05:59:49 < BrainDamage> pro design
2014-10-10T05:59:57 < dongs> one of those guyts computers
2014-10-10T05:59:59 < dongs> "computers":
2014-10-10T06:00:07 < BrainDamage> high speed digital development
2014-10-10T06:00:18 < BrainDamage> only way to get better is to use wire wrapping
2014-10-10T06:04:06 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jackt/noteu-facebook-email-paypal-at-a-glance?ref=category lul
2014-10-10T06:04:10 < dongs> internet of dicks is commencing
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2014-10-10T06:12:07 < gxti> paypal at a glance? gotta watch those stacksonstacksonstacks
2014-10-10T06:12:36 < dongs> my paypal wouldn't even fit on that screen
2014-10-10T06:12:41 < dongs> so clearly not a product for me
2014-10-10T06:15:15 < dongs> attn R2COM https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/668126625/breaking-technology-from-staplers-to-iphones-to-th?ref=category
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2014-10-10T06:20:13 < jadew> that has been done before
2014-10-10T06:20:57 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuQAbo3-Gp0
2014-10-10T06:20:58 < jadew> YouTube: Lumia 920 Knife Fruit Ninja Gameplay
2014-10-10T06:27:02 < jadew> and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bgt6-LLgw8
2014-10-10T06:27:03 < jadew> YouTube: Nokia Lumia 920 Review - Hammer Drop Test
2014-10-10T06:27:39 < jadew> it was right after it came out
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2014-10-10T06:38:03 < dongs> Thanks for becoming a backer of fps1000 - The low cost high frame rate camera by Graham Rowan
2014-10-10T06:38:06 < dongs> lul
2014-10-10T06:38:08 < dongs> got my pal to pay for it
2014-10-10T06:38:40 < jadew> let us know how it is when/if you get it
2014-10-10T06:38:44 < dongs> yep
2014-10-10T06:38:46 < dongs> "if"
2014-10-10T06:38:47 < dongs> lolol
2014-10-10T06:38:52 < dongs> thats why it wasnt me paying
2014-10-10T06:38:57 < jadew> hehe
2014-10-10T06:39:09 < jadew> did you get other crowdfunded stuff?
2014-10-10T06:39:43 < dongs> no i neever backed anything except for trolling purposes
2014-10-10T06:39:57 < jadew> sounds like a good reason
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2014-10-10T06:42:24 < jadew> oh... I just remembered, I keep meaning to look for some of those interchangable power plugs that come with generic laptop chargers
2014-10-10T06:42:53 < jadew> I always need them to power stuff from the bench PSU and I have to use aligator clips
2014-10-10T06:43:10 < jadew> let's see what china has to offer
2014-10-10T06:44:17 < jadew> perfect: http://www.dx.com/p/laptop-charging-connectors-set-8-piece-pack-82063#.VDdWCBZtz40
2014-10-10T06:44:48 < dongs> ncie
2014-10-10T06:46:04 < jadew> 10-piece pack: http://www.dx.com/p/laptop-charging-connectors-set-10-piece-pack-82062#.VDdWcxZtz40
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2014-10-10T06:57:01 < jadew> got one with 23 heads for $9.7
2014-10-10T07:00:52 < dongs> http://tylervigen.com/
2014-10-10T07:04:59 < jadew> lol dongs, where did you find that?
2014-10-10T07:05:51 < jadew> haha
2014-10-10T07:06:43 < jadew> they're hilareous
2014-10-10T07:08:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/uqn55wf.jpg
2014-10-10T07:10:12 < jadew> is that your bench?
2014-10-10T07:10:42 < dongs> part of it
2014-10-10T07:10:59 < dongs> 11" stuff
2014-10-10T07:11:06 < dongs> random panel
2014-10-10T07:11:12 < dongs> they're all around 50bucks
2014-10-10T07:11:24 < dongs> hdmi
2014-10-10T07:11:36 < jadew> it's probably the hdmi thing he's working on
2014-10-10T07:11:42 < dongs> yeah
2014-10-10T07:13:34 < jadew> why does your hot air station says everything is OFF?
2014-10-10T07:13:46 < jadew> shouldn't it be off completely, if everything is off?
2014-10-10T07:15:52 < dongs> ugh
2014-10-10T07:15:56 < dongs> i lost hdmi audio
2014-10-10T07:15:59 < dongs> that stuff was in EDID apparently
2014-10-10T07:16:19 < dongs> need to find a decent edit editor that isnt fucking crap
2014-10-10T07:16:22 < jadew> so you have to fake it and forward it separately?
2014-10-10T07:16:45 < jadew> or it only affects if audio is sent or not?
2014-10-10T07:17:29 < dongs> google seems to say audio descriptor stuff is in edid
2014-10-10T07:17:53 < dongs> it workd ebfroe when I used another edid but it had wrong timings in it. i need to copy  the audio descriptor stuff over.
2014-10-10T07:18:08 < dongs> R2COM: laptop/whatever
2014-10-10T07:18:25 < dongs> no goal
2014-10-10T07:18:27 < dongs> just trolling
2014-10-10T07:18:36 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1NQHARleRA > video
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2014-10-10T07:20:01 < dongs> which?
2014-10-10T07:20:17 < dongs> thats what im making
2014-10-10T07:20:37 < dongs> hdmi receiver, edp transmitter, stm32
2014-10-10T07:23:51 < dongs> coordinating things
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2014-10-10T07:35:27 < dongs> eh, 3pin shit isnt used for power like ever except for transmitter battteries
2014-10-10T07:35:33 < dongs> power shit is deans or XT60 shit
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2014-10-10T07:40:56 < ds2> hmmmm
2014-10-10T07:53:32 < ds2> R2COM: EMA-EDA
2014-10-10T07:54:39 < ds2> No PSPice
2014-10-10T07:54:54 < ds2> Schematic + PCB
2014-10-10T07:55:00 < ds2> yeah pro perpetual
2014-10-10T07:55:05 < ds2> yep
2014-10-10T07:55:19 < ds2> decided I don't need PSpice. the sims I do work fine on LTspice
2014-10-10T07:56:15 < ds2> donno that much detail
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2014-10-10T07:56:28 < ds2> email them
2014-10-10T07:56:45 < ds2> the prices I mention is a competitive upgrade deal
2014-10-10T07:56:53 < ds2> cuz I donno about those things
2014-10-10T07:57:15 < ds2> ~$2K for the pro prepetual license
2014-10-10T07:57:16 < ds2> no
2014-10-10T07:57:25 < ds2> they do it if you can show you have another ecad system
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2014-10-10T07:57:58 < ds2> yes
2014-10-10T07:58:17 < ds2> $2K if you have a another package. $6K if you don't
2014-10-10T07:59:12 < ds2> the promo is they will sell you it for cost of 1 year of maintence
2014-10-10T07:59:17 < ds2> yes, 1year
2014-10-10T08:07:41 < akaWolf> R2COM: is orcad a pro soft?
2014-10-10T08:08:30 < akaWolf> R2COM: I prefer a MG
2014-10-10T08:08:52 < akaWolf> and?
2014-10-10T08:09:34 < akaWolf> hmm.. last 2 years all ok
2014-10-10T08:09:42 < akaWolf> 2009
2014-10-10T08:09:45 < akaWolf> man )
2014-10-10T08:10:25 < akaWolf> now with MG is all ok
2014-10-10T08:10:39 < akaWolf> hm
2014-10-10T08:12:26 < akaWolf> R2COM: I can give you a gerbers
2014-10-10T08:14:43 < akaWolf> R2COM: ok, than that: https://akawolf.us.to/files/KAPC-H_MCU_REV_10_Assembly_PADS.pdf
2014-10-10T08:17:20 < akaWolf> it's main board
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2014-10-10T08:17:52 < akaWolf> analysis of spectre
2014-10-10T08:17:58 < akaWolf> mobile
2014-10-10T08:18:07 < akaWolf> military
2014-10-10T08:18:32 < akaWolf> in Russia
2014-10-10T08:19:36 < akaWolf> there are also board with a receiver and LCD
2014-10-10T08:19:42 < akaWolf> and all in the MG
2014-10-10T08:20:02 < akaWolf> about 8 or 10 layers at the main board
2014-10-10T08:20:43 < akaWolf> own..
2014-10-10T08:20:53 < akaWolf> it's not
2014-10-10T08:20:54 < dongs> akawolf is pretty pro
2014-10-10T08:21:09 < akaWolf> dongs: it's not my own only project
2014-10-10T08:21:16 < dongs> not like hobbyist trash R2COM is doing
2014-10-10T08:21:22 < ds2> Eagle
2014-10-10T08:21:28 < dongs> lol eagle
2014-10-10T08:21:31 < akaWolf> :)
2014-10-10T08:22:21 < akaWolf> only looks?
2014-10-10T08:22:40 < ds2> Eagle works
2014-10-10T08:23:01 < ds2> my only complaint is not being able to get 3D models out of it for MCAD stuff
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2014-10-10T08:23:20 < akaWolf> I begin from SLayer, than Eagle, than Altium. and MG now..
2014-10-10T08:24:16 < akaWolf> R2COM: schematic in a standalone program..
2014-10-10T08:25:18 < akaWolf> R2COM: so there are not all so pro as you, that they are can do projects in the MG from beginning
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2014-10-10T08:29:53 < akaWolf> R2COM: digital part & software part
2014-10-10T08:30:33 < akaWolf> not, only MCU and near stuff
2014-10-10T08:30:53 < akaWolf> we have very cool FPGA designer, so...
2014-10-10T08:36:22 < ds2> on a totally different thing - how standard is the SysTick timer CMSIS interface across the Cortex-M's across different mfgs
2014-10-10T08:37:00 < hjf> why does mallinfo() report only 33600 bytes free on my stm32f407? isn't it a 192KB RAM part? there's no way i have 130KB of static variables
2014-10-10T08:41:46 < dongs> wtf is mallinfo
2014-10-10T08:41:49 < dongs> timecube thing?
2014-10-10T08:42:04 < dongs> also theere's 2 banks of ram in that 192k
2014-10-10T08:42:18 < dongs> i think top part isnt DMA'ble?
2014-10-10T08:42:19 < dongs> or something
2014-10-10T08:44:39 < hjf> dongs: mallinfo is part of malloc
2014-10-10T08:44:48 < jpa-> which libc?
2014-10-10T08:45:02 < jpa-> if it uses sbrk(), maybe it hasn't sbrk()'d all the ram yet
2014-10-10T08:45:32 < hjf> jpa-: gnu? i'm using the one from er
2014-10-10T08:45:43 < hjf> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2014-10-10T08:45:46 < hjf> this one
2014-10-10T08:45:51 < jpa-> so newlib
2014-10-10T08:45:57 < jpa-> yeah, probably not sbrk()'d yet
2014-10-10T08:46:06 < hjf> what's that mean
2014-10-10T08:47:37 < hjf> what i tried to do was to use the helix aac decoder
2014-10-10T08:47:52 < hjf> when i enable SBR, it fails to initialize
2014-10-10T08:48:10 < hjf> apparently it asks malloc for 50KB of RAM but it fails to allocate that
2014-10-10T09:17:49 < dongs> heh
2014-10-10T09:17:52 < dongs> ive used that be fore
2014-10-10T09:18:07 < dongs> you arent gonna timecube your way around it, it will need some careful planning
2014-10-10T09:18:11 < dongs> plus you'll need to turn off AAC-HE
2014-10-10T09:18:23 < dongs> R2COM: $free from soviet russai torrent site, i suspct
2014-10-10T09:18:30 < akaWolf> R2COM: I don't know, check official sites
2014-10-10T09:18:33 < akaWolf> dongs right
2014-10-10T09:18:46 < dongs> hjf: apparently ST has some codec packs optimized for cortex M4
2014-10-10T09:18:51 < dongs> with AAC, mp3 etc.
2014-10-10T09:18:54 < dongs> "available by request"
2014-10-10T09:18:57 < dongs> maybe you can check it out.
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2014-10-10T09:28:02 < dongs> helix is pretty crap
2014-10-10T09:28:08 < dongs> i think i did end up using helix in the radio proj
2014-10-10T09:30:48 < qyx_> 04:59 < dongs> http://www.ostracodfiles.com/mega/IMG_1141.JPG ..
2014-10-10T09:30:49 < qyx_> lol
2014-10-10T09:31:07 < qyx_> it would use less chips if they were 74xx
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2014-10-10T09:32:08 < dongs> qx, whjat are they now
2014-10-10T09:32:12 < dongs> i suspect its sram or someshit?
2014-10-10T09:32:13 < dongs> no idea
2014-10-10T09:32:22 < dongs> its some "computer" shit he made.
2014-10-10T09:32:33 < qyx_> i suspect avr's
2014-10-10T09:32:40 < qyx_> because each one has xtal near it
2014-10-10T09:32:50 < dongs> hahaha.
2014-10-10T09:32:59 < qyx_> and you can clearly see atmel logo here
2014-10-10T09:33:00 < dongs> oh man.
2014-10-10T09:33:16 < dongs> haha oh shit, you are right
2014-10-10T09:50:03 < jadew> it's obviously a blinky
2014-10-10T09:50:14 < jadew> when one led turns on, the other one turns off
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2014-10-10T09:54:18 < jadew> no, but seriously, if the original project is computer, we can only assume that what's in that picture is a data center
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2014-10-10T09:55:06 < jadew> and 2 status LEDs
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2014-10-10T10:06:29 < dongs> http://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=136 attn zyp
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2014-10-10T10:10:35 < zyp> heh
2014-10-10T10:13:32 < dongs> http://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=28580
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2014-10-10T11:24:50 < mitrax> what's the different between SWIM and JTAG?
2014-10-10T11:25:34 < zyp> SWIM is stm8
2014-10-10T11:25:45 < zyp> you might be referring to SWD though
2014-10-10T11:25:52 < mitrax> yeah by JTAG i mean SWD
2014-10-10T11:25:59 < zyp> what.
2014-10-10T11:26:19 < zyp> ok, let's try again
2014-10-10T11:26:23 < mitrax> "The single wire interface module (SWIM) and JTAG/serial wire debugging (SWD) interfaces are used to communicate with any STM8 or STM32 microcontroller located on an application board."
2014-10-10T11:26:40 < zyp> SWIM is the protocol used for STM8, SWD and JTAG are used for STM32
2014-10-10T11:26:49 < mitrax> ok, that makes sense, thanks :)
2014-10-10T11:27:16 < Cyric> mitrax: JTAG and SWD are not the same
2014-10-10T11:27:31 < mitrax> oh
2014-10-10T11:27:35 < zyp> Cyric, but they fill the same purpose
2014-10-10T11:27:53 < Cyric> both apply to stm32 but one use 4 wires while SWD use only two wires
2014-10-10T11:27:59 < Cyric> yes they are
2014-10-10T11:28:00 < mitrax> aaah
2014-10-10T11:28:17 < mitrax> and do you know what protocol uses the integrated ST/LINK module on the STM32F429I discovery board?
2014-10-10T11:28:24 < Cyric> SWD
2014-10-10T11:28:28 < Cyric> i think
2014-10-10T11:28:30 < zyp> yes
2014-10-10T11:28:58 < zyp> SWD is pretty much what you'd use nowadays
2014-10-10T11:28:58 < mitrax> is one more limited than the other? or are there things you can do with JTAG but not SWD?
2014-10-10T11:28:59 < Cyric> you can access it by using the CN2 connector on your discovery board and use it
2014-10-10T11:29:17 < Cyric> for programming your external device
2014-10-10T11:29:37 < zyp> mitrax, not really, SWD is newer and uses fewer pins, so there's less waste of IO for debugging
2014-10-10T11:30:28 < madist> is there a definition/standard for SWD ?
2014-10-10T11:30:29 < zyp> SWD is using a subset of JTAG pins though, so on a board with JTAG hooked up, SWD is also always available
2014-10-10T11:30:31 < madist> *public
2014-10-10T11:31:04 < madist> ah. its ARM's.
2014-10-10T11:31:14 < zyp> yeah
2014-10-10T11:31:38 < mitrax> and what pin to SWD connect to? sorry i'm very new to the ST microcontroller family as you can see... from the schematics of the board it seems the integrated controller connects to the USART RX / TX, is that right? seems a bit weird it would use just that
2014-10-10T11:31:55 < zyp> SWDIO/SWCLK
2014-10-10T11:32:04 < zyp> which are respectively aliases for JTMS and JTCK
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2014-10-10T11:32:18 < mitrax> okay
2014-10-10T11:32:36 < mitrax> thanks
2014-10-10T11:32:49 < zyp> IIRC those are PA13 and PA14 on STM32s
2014-10-10T11:34:38 < mitrax> ok i see now :)
2014-10-10T11:40:49 < mitrax> the STM32 seems like a really nice platform... or well ARM in general compared to where i'm coming from (PIC ...)
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2014-10-10T11:41:12 < zyp> it's not really hard to be nicer than PIC ;)
2014-10-10T11:41:20 < mitrax> yeah...
2014-10-10T11:41:33 < mitrax> what i hate the most is their lousy compiler
2014-10-10T11:41:40 < mitrax> now i can use gcc, woot
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2014-10-10T12:12:11 < gnomad> uh, gcc is the de-facto compiler for PICs these days.
2014-10-10T12:13:21 < gnomad> unless you are talking about the 8-bit ones, which aren't really C-friendly anyway
2014-10-10T12:15:55 < dongs> < mitrax> now i can use gcc, woot
2014-10-10T12:15:56 < dongs> lol
2014-10-10T12:19:32 < mitrax> gnomad: 16 bit ones :) but yeah
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2014-10-10T12:32:53 < dongs> pic is fucking nasty
2014-10-10T12:32:56 < dongs> dspic especially
2014-10-10T12:33:06 < dongs> some bullshit compiler intrinsics for dsp shit
2014-10-10T12:33:26 < dongs> so instead of typing foo = lol * dongs; you gotta do some dumb shit like foo = __MUL(lol, dongs);
2014-10-10T12:33:33 < dongs> because compiler is too fucking dumb to generate proper shit
2014-10-10T12:33:45 < mitrax> ahahah
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2014-10-10T13:13:34 < karlp> http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/
2014-10-10T13:14:15 < karlp> lotz of chatz overnight!
2014-10-10T13:15:41 < effractur> no recall :(
2014-10-10T13:23:43 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7K91g8yG_w
2014-10-10T13:23:47 < Laurenceb> lol the comments
2014-10-10T13:25:29 < dongs> is that shit from hackaday
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2014-10-10T13:27:09 < Laurenceb> pedosmile
2014-10-10T13:32:24 < gnomad> lol all youtube comments
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2014-10-10T13:55:01 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-10-10T13:55:10 < Laurenceb> shitstudio ask me for an EORI number
2014-10-10T13:55:33 < akaWolf> enter in me EORI number!!
2014-10-10T13:55:35 < akaWolf> :)
2014-10-10T13:56:21 < dongs> some german trash
2014-10-10T13:56:35 < Laurenceb> rage
2014-10-10T13:56:41 < dongs> why do they evne care
2014-10-10T13:56:48 < dongs> did you buy some WEEE-noncompliant shit
2014-10-10T13:57:39 < Laurenceb> just pcbs
2014-10-10T13:57:58 < Laurenceb> might try  GBUNREG
2014-10-10T14:05:58 < qyx_> what is eori number
2014-10-10T14:06:11 < Laurenceb> google
2014-10-10T14:06:18 < qyx_> already doing
2014-10-10T14:06:42 < qyx_> ah dhl related
2014-10-10T14:14:26 < Laurenceb> lol they are happy with GBUNREG
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2014-10-10T14:37:22 < superbia> hebrew language pack we meet again...
2014-10-10T14:39:55 < superbia> dongstranslate http://i.stack.imgur.com/sNzp9.png
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2014-10-10T14:42:24 < BrainDamage> looks harabish enough, terrorist detected, drone dispatched
2014-10-10T14:44:30 < superbia> BrainDamage, Certain aspects of this legal framework require additional explication. First, the condition that an operational leader present an "imminent" threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons will take place in the immediate future.
2014-10-10T14:45:22 < superbia> but its called "imminent threat response".....
2014-10-10T14:58:06 < karlp> anyone got any experience with C structure visualizations?
2014-10-10T14:59:26 < zyp> how?
2014-10-10T15:00:48 < karlp> like, showing a diagram of nested structs
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2014-10-10T15:01:07 < karlp> can doxygen do that?
2014-10-10T15:01:23 < lieron> don't know, but if you figure it out, please let me know ;-)
2014-10-10T15:01:52 < zyp> what do you want to visualize?
2014-10-10T15:02:19 < karlp> an overly complicated pile of nested/loosely related structs
2014-10-10T15:02:27 < zyp> doxygen can visualize how different structs are coupled together with pointers and stuff, at least
2014-10-10T15:02:47 < karlp> sounds like it might be enough, might be a good friday afternoon project
2014-10-10T15:03:03 < karlp> might be nice to help make me more clear about what interfaces are and what are internals too.
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2014-10-10T15:17:36 < dekar> dongs, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20141010_133503.jpg
2014-10-10T15:17:43 < dekar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20141010_133628.jpg
2014-10-10T15:18:34 < dongs> ya?
2014-10-10T15:18:40 < karlp> thjunderbotl to ethernet dongle?
2014-10-10T15:18:50 < dongs> no way
2014-10-10T15:18:52 < dekar> lightning -.-
2014-10-10T15:18:57 < dekar> to serial/cisco
2014-10-10T15:19:30 < karlp> lightning, sorry, the new apple thing like usb but not or something?
2014-10-10T15:19:32 < dongs> http://redpark.com/lightning-serial-cable-l2-db9v/
2014-10-10T15:19:33 < dongs> looks like this
2014-10-10T15:20:22 < karlp> what's the deal with being apple mifi whatist certified, but you can't use it with apps in the app store?
2014-10-10T15:21:03 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-10-10T15:21:11 < dongs> sounds like apple are just fucking jews
2014-10-10T15:21:16 < dongs> (not that this is new or anything
2014-10-10T15:21:34 < Laurenceb> thats got to be slow
2014-10-10T15:21:34 < karlp> what's the usecase of wanting these apps on your phone? running a console on a virtual keyboard?
2014-10-10T15:21:39 < Laurenceb> id suspect some ASIC
2014-10-10T15:21:48 < karlp> Laurenceb: it's a console, it's slow by definition
2014-10-10T15:21:51 < Laurenceb> oh
2014-10-10T15:22:04 < dongs> dekar: hwats  the other chip
2014-10-10T15:22:05 < dongs> that isnt stm32
2014-10-10T15:22:10 < Laurenceb> phy?
2014-10-10T15:22:13 < dongs> max4344 or wahtever?
2014-10-10T15:22:13 < dongs> no
2014-10-10T15:22:17 < dongs> stm32 is the shit that talks to lighting
2014-10-10T15:22:51 < dekar> dongs, the small one is the crapple-DRM IC
2014-10-10T15:22:57 < dongs> really?
2014-10-10T15:23:20 < Laurenceb> also nice thermals on vias
2014-10-10T15:23:32 < dongs> ya looks like pro pcb designers
2014-10-10T15:23:49 < dekar> they actually force you to have your accessory built at their licensed factories, you don't even get to handle their DRM stuff yourself
2014-10-10T15:24:04 < Laurenceb> lol crapple
2014-10-10T15:25:12 < dekar> and yeah it's the redpark cable, we were thinking about using that one instead of a custom accessory
2014-10-10T15:25:33 < dongs> looks like its conected byt USB
2014-10-10T15:25:37 < dongs> PA111/12
2014-10-10T15:25:51 < dekar> yeah it's just USB to serial
2014-10-10T15:27:24 < dekar> lightning simply carries two pairs of USB plus DRM and their weird connector
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2014-10-10T15:31:37 < dongs> heh
2014-10-10T15:37:59 < qyx_> wut, isnt lighntning == thunderbolt?
2014-10-10T15:38:11 < qyx_> and isn't it pci expres with "longer wires"?
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2014-10-10T15:38:45 < dongs> drm with longer wires
2014-10-10T15:38:46 < dekar> qyx_, nope, lightning is just 2x high-speed USB
2014-10-10T15:38:56 < dongs> why 2x
2014-10-10T15:39:33 < qyx_> aha, different thing
2014-10-10T15:39:34 < dekar> they have lightning to HDMI which actually contains an SoC with 2GB ram (iPhone only has 1GB)
2014-10-10T15:39:51 < dongs> yeah i remember reading that
2014-10-10T15:39:57 < dongs> and phone does compression
2014-10-10T15:39:59 < dongs> so it looks like ass
2014-10-10T15:40:02 < dongs> coming out of the adapter
2014-10-10T15:40:02 < qyx_> and whats the original intel's lightning thing?
2014-10-10T15:40:12 < dongs> thats thunderbolt.
2014-10-10T15:40:18 < qyx_> theres the confusion
2014-10-10T15:40:28 < dongs> idiots still buy iphone
2014-10-10T15:40:30 < dongs> no problem.
2014-10-10T15:40:53 < dekar> qyx_, I think AMD has some lightning port
2014-10-10T15:42:10 < dekar> dongs, I am not sure why they have 2x USB, maybe to do host and device at the same time. e.g. when connected to a dock.
2014-10-10T15:45:18 < Laurenceb> maybe so it can be reversible
2014-10-10T15:45:27 < Laurenceb> and they were too lazy to do it properly
2014-10-10T15:45:32 < dongs> laff
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2014-10-10T16:03:16 < yan_> i'm using stm32L151 and libopencm3. Trying to get i2c working/configured correctly, and the following config function doesn't enable i2c clock or let me send data: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ebab4ff9a0235700cd25
2014-10-10T16:03:33 < yan_> i'm verifying with a scope, and the pins go from +vcc down to ground for a few ms then back up to +vcc
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2014-10-10T16:23:38 < dongs> i2c on libopenaidsstm32 is THAT easy?
2014-10-10T16:23:40 < dongs> i dont believe it.
2014-10-10T16:24:42 < Laurenceb> yeah but im guessing its while(1) based i2c
2014-10-10T16:24:51 < dongs> no doubt
2014-10-10T16:25:03 < yan_> either or, that function isn't doing anything heh
2014-10-10T16:25:26 < dongs> does L1 suffer from same i2c peripheral wiredness as F1
2014-10-10T16:25:35 < dongs> wherre you need to clock stuff out if you crashed the slaves
2014-10-10T16:27:07 < yan_> hmm i2c_send_start pulls the line down, i2c_send_stop pulls the line up
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2014-10-10T16:31:32 < dirty_d> hello
2014-10-10T16:32:05 < lieron> hi
2014-10-10T16:33:45 < dirty_d> its been a while, are most people still using gcc and the st library?
2014-10-10T16:34:03 < superbia> only pros
2014-10-10T16:34:13 < Laurenceb> http://regmedia.co.uk/2014/10/10/troll_study_sharpened.jpg
2014-10-10T16:35:02 < dongs> i dont g et it
2014-10-10T16:36:16 < lieron> dirty_d, you can also use Lua (www.screvle.com) ;-) #shameless
2014-10-10T16:36:38 < dirty_d> i cant even remember how to get the library, i dont see it in the software section
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2014-10-10T16:37:16 < dongs> dirty_d: its gone now
2014-10-10T16:37:19 < dongs> replaced by timecube
2014-10-10T16:37:22 < lieron> it's called cube now
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2014-10-10T16:38:22 < dirty_d> hmm, interesting
2014-10-10T16:38:50 < yan_> dirty_d: which stm32?
2014-10-10T16:39:02 < dirty_d> stm32f303
2014-10-10T16:39:16 < dongs> hm that might still have stdpierphlib
2014-10-10T16:39:31 < dirty_d> i dont think I used that
2014-10-10T16:39:43 < dongs> stdperiphlib? you should have
2014-10-10T16:39:49 < dirty_d> i just used the two .c files and the header files with all the register definitions and whatnot
2014-10-10T16:39:51 < dongs> it is cube now tho.
2014-10-10T16:39:57 < yan_> dirty_d: http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1743/LN1734/PF258144
2014-10-10T16:40:00 < dirty_d> startup.c and something else
2014-10-10T16:40:12 < dongs> ohh i better d ownlaod that
2014-10-10T16:40:14 < dongs> before they remove it
2014-10-10T16:40:53 < dongs> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/fragment/product_related/rpn_information/board_photo/STM32Cube_mig_v3.jpg
2014-10-10T16:40:56 < dongs> such english
2014-10-10T16:40:57 < dongs> much offer
2014-10-10T16:41:00 < dongs> many referenced
2014-10-10T16:41:27 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-10-10T16:41:31 < dirty_d> im guessing this doesnt work on linux?
2014-10-10T16:41:31 < Laurenceb> no more st periph lib?
2014-10-10T16:42:20 < dongs> dude where have you been
2014-10-10T16:42:25 < Laurenceb> lol
2014-10-10T16:42:28 < dongs> new L0+ stuff doesnt evne have stdperiphlib
2014-10-10T16:42:30 < dongs> its all timecube now
2014-10-10T16:42:50 < superbia> timecub
2014-10-10T16:42:55 < dirty_d> i still have the old lib here, https://github.com/dirty-d/stm32f3_discovery_quadcopter
2014-10-10T16:43:00 < dirty_d> but im guessing there were newer versions?
2014-10-10T16:43:10 < yan_> dongs: does cube generate code that uses the periph lib or does it generate everything?
2014-10-10T16:43:12 < dongs> according to yan's url thats 1.1.0 now
2014-10-10T16:43:29 < dongs> yan_: i think it generates something, but there's a "HAL" now thats really ugly and bloated
2014-10-10T16:43:31 < mitrax> cube is just a framework
2014-10-10T16:43:38 < dongs> its stdperiphlib-ish but adds more shit
2014-10-10T16:43:47 < yan_> dongs: hm, is it actually bloated or does it seem bloated?
2014-10-10T16:43:59 < dongs> yan_: blank main.c ~22k compiled
2014-10-10T16:44:09 < dongs> (according to englishman)
2014-10-10T16:44:11 < yan_> dongs: lol wat.
2014-10-10T16:44:13 < dongs> so yes, bloated.
2014-10-10T16:44:23 < dongs> dunno , im not using that shit
2014-10-10T16:44:24 < yan_> even with linker/gcc optimizations?
2014-10-10T16:44:43 < dongs> i got a project with L051 on it, but im not touching it, maybe will try libopencm3 or just raw registers
2014-10-10T16:44:46 < dirty_d> yan_, ahh i didnt see that, thanks
2014-10-10T16:44:53 < dongs> or maybe pull relevant bits out of timecube hal and do it normal way
2014-10-10T16:46:01 < dirty_d> i remember looking at libopencm3, but i dont think the F3 was supported
2014-10-10T16:47:00 < dirty_d> hmm, still nothing for F3 here http://libopencm3.org/wiki/Status
2014-10-10T16:47:27 < dongs> that page isnt updated
2014-10-10T16:47:30 < dongs> they might have soem F3 support now
2014-10-10T16:48:11 < dirty_d> i see it on github
2014-10-10T16:52:35 < Steffanx> dirty_d: you can still get the "older" peripheral lib, there is some archive/post on the st forum somewhere
2014-10-10T16:52:52 < Steffanx> or was it usb only, hmm
2014-10-10T16:53:09 < dirty_d> i have the v1.0 still
2014-10-10T16:53:15 < dirty_d> i might try libopencm3 though
2014-10-10T16:54:02 < Steffanx> You were the guy with this totally dangerous quadcopter, weren't you?
2014-10-10T16:54:13 < dirty_d> yes!
2014-10-10T16:55:55 < dirty_d> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIWmIzgEuOg
2014-10-10T16:58:24 < karlp> lieron: zyp: yeah, doxygen is doing enough of what I wanted: http://imgur.com/dOYKxab
2014-10-10T16:58:44 < zyp> :)
2014-10-10T16:58:57 < Laurenceb> lol i did that with a stunt kite back in the day
2014-10-10T16:59:41 < karlp> doesn't seem to get all graphs, only some things graphs made,
2014-10-10T16:59:43  * karlp shrugs
2014-10-10T17:00:09 < dongs> why is it tethered with a brick
2014-10-10T17:00:34 < dirty_d> its wood, but i just wanted to see how it flew carrying something
2014-10-10T17:01:05 < Laurenceb> i managed to smash a few walls like that
2014-10-10T17:01:10 < hjf> dongs: wtf. i can't compile AAC SBR and they have a player that even plays video based on stm32f4 discovery
2014-10-10T17:01:18 < Laurenceb> its was surprisingly effective
2014-10-10T17:01:37 < Laurenceb> large kite surfing kite + huge lump of concrete
2014-10-10T17:01:41 < dirty_d> lol
2014-10-10T17:02:31 < dongs> hjf: ya youre doing it wrong
2014-10-10T17:02:37 < Laurenceb> we were going to use it to attack our school
2014-10-10T17:02:43 < Steffanx> lol
2014-10-10T17:02:52 < Laurenceb> but unfortunately it wasnt windy enough
2014-10-10T17:03:10 < superbia> hebrews inside?
2014-10-10T17:03:27 < Laurenceb> sup Weev
2014-10-10T17:03:59 < dongs>  #define AAC_ENABLE_SBR
2014-10-10T17:03:59 < dongs>  #define AAC_ENABLE_MPEG4
2014-10-10T17:04:05 < dongs> hjf: ^ kill those from aacdec.h
2014-10-10T17:04:07 < dongs>  //
2014-10-10T17:04:16 < hjf> dongs: but i want sbr
2014-10-10T17:04:25 < dongs> uhh
2014-10-10T17:04:38 < dongs> then reduce max_nchans?
2014-10-10T17:04:45 < hjf> it's set to 2 :(
2014-10-10T17:04:50 < dongs> lol..
2014-10-10T17:04:56 < hjf> default is 6
2014-10-10T17:05:13 < hjf> aw come on don't tell me the STM32F4 can't do what the $1 VS1053 can
2014-10-10T17:05:29 < dongs> hjf: http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/sales_and_marketing/promotional_material/brochure/brstm32f4.pdf
2014-10-10T17:05:35 < dongs> hjf: it can, but not wiht opensores shit
2014-10-10T17:05:56 < hjf> dongs: yeah i mailed them already
2014-10-10T17:06:05 < hjf> dongs: eh, motionplayer uses Helix...........
2014-10-10T17:06:15 < hjf> https://code.google.com/p/motion-player-project/
2014-10-10T17:06:22 < dongs> so why not take sores from tehre
2014-10-10T17:06:42 < hjf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ETyFmAMFjY
2014-10-10T17:06:48 < hjf> look at what that motherfucker does
2014-10-10T17:06:56 < hjf> yeah i'm reading the source
2014-10-10T17:07:05 < hjf> trying to figure out if AAC SBR is enabled, for starters
2014-10-10T17:07:29 < dongs> lol @ hello kitty SD card
2014-10-10T17:07:43 < hjf> son of a bitch they even included a font with japanese characters
2014-10-10T17:08:26 < Steffanx> i read somewhere he spend quite some time on that.
2014-10-10T17:08:39 < Steffanx> a year or so, but i dont remember where i read that
2014-10-10T17:08:49 < hjf> yeah i dont even want to do 1/4 of what that does
2014-10-10T17:09:04 < hjf> just figure out why malloc won't give me more than 49K RAM
2014-10-10T17:09:12 < dongs> uh if that is helix, he cleaned it up
2014-10-10T17:09:25 < dongs> SBR isnt on
2014-10-10T17:09:27 < hjf> PRAISE HELIX
2014-10-10T17:09:33 < dongs> i dont se why it would be for music anyway.
2014-10-10T17:09:35 < dongs> why do you need sbr
2014-10-10T17:09:50 < hjf> cause AAC sounds like shit without SBR?
2014-10-10T17:09:51 < GargantuaSauce> he does reverb and fft for visualization but no click removal for pause/skip??
2014-10-10T17:10:24 < hjf> mostly what i listen to is di.fm which streams AAC+ at 64kbps. no SBR = no treble
2014-10-10T17:10:46 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/nIrnn.jpg
2014-10-10T17:10:50 < dongs> .. i dont even have a player that can stream di.fm other htan mp3
2014-10-10T17:10:52 < dongs> wtf do you use?
2014-10-10T17:11:04 < GargantuaSauce> oh and the video is just mjpeg :(
2014-10-10T17:11:08 < GargantuaSauce> i am disappoint
2014-10-10T17:11:22 < hjf> i built one a while ago with PIC18 *yes 8 bit pic* and VS1053
2014-10-10T17:11:37 < hjf> the 1053 does all the magic
2014-10-10T17:11:40 < hjf> cute little ic
2014-10-10T17:11:59 < hjf> just give it any data at any time over SPI and, if it finds valid data, it decodes it
2014-10-10T17:12:18 < hjf> mp3, aac, aac+, ...fuckin midi!
2014-10-10T17:12:29 < hjf> ogg vorbis as a plugin too
2014-10-10T17:12:39 < dongs> blog vorbis
2014-10-10T17:14:19 < hjf> maybe my problem is a linker script thing
2014-10-10T17:15:13 < dongs> dinker script
2014-10-10T17:15:29 < dirty_d> anyone have a libopencm3 example project?
2014-10-10T17:15:42 < dongs> tehre should be some in libopencm3
2014-10-10T17:15:46 < dongs> smaples\ or someshit folder
2014-10-10T17:16:03 < BrainDamage> there's also #libopencm3
2014-10-10T17:16:14 < dongs> (which has same people as her)
2014-10-10T17:16:15 < dongs> here
2014-10-10T17:17:04 < dirty_d> ahh, here https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples
2014-10-10T17:18:11 < BrainDamage> make surre to initalize the submodule inside to get it to find the lib fast without changing all the links
2014-10-10T17:18:33 < dongs> ofcourse, no l0 support
2014-10-10T17:21:37 < karlp> not yet, but it's not like it's radically different
2014-10-10T17:21:52 < karlp> I've got the l0 epaper toy on it's way now, which should be fun
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2014-10-10T17:23:11 < hjf> how do you specify which section a variable goes into?
2014-10-10T17:23:27 < hjf> i have some buffers that definitely won't be DMA'd to, so i want to move them to CCM
2014-10-10T17:23:40 < hjf> i understand you have to explicitly state this?
2014-10-10T17:24:22 < GargantuaSauce> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Variable-Attributes.html#index-g_t_0040code_007bsection_007d-variable-attribute-3122
2014-10-10T17:24:23 < dirty_d> __attribute__ ((section (".ccm")))
2014-10-10T17:24:27 < gxti> either you annotate your variable with an attribute saying which section it goes into, or you pull named variables into the section from your linker script
2014-10-10T17:24:38 < hjf> ah
2014-10-10T17:25:19 < dongs> youll need to have ccm section in linker, obviousyl
2014-10-10T17:25:27 < dongs> (duno if its added by default
2014-10-10T17:26:22 < hjf> ccmram : org = 0x10000000, len = 64k
2014-10-10T17:26:42 < hjf> i guess it's section .ccmram?
2014-10-10T17:27:01 < gxti> that's a memory segment definition, not a section
2014-10-10T17:27:44 < hjf> ah
2014-10-10T17:27:53 < gxti> look for a >ccmram below
2014-10-10T17:28:34 < hjf> thres none
2014-10-10T17:29:23 < gxti> nothing referencing ccmram whatsoever?
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2014-10-10T17:30:17 < hjf> nope. wastng 64K RAM i guess
2014-10-10T17:30:41 < gxti> ok, so make a new .ccm section, like this one (without the #if shenanigans): https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/ld/linker.ld.S#L141
2014-10-10T17:30:54 < hjf> gxti: http://pastebin.com/ghVt5nhC
2014-10-10T17:31:17 < gxti> and change >ccm to >ccmram so it matches your region
2014-10-10T17:31:34 < gxti> then you can slap __attribute__ ((section (".ccm"))) on your var and you're good
2014-10-10T17:32:50 < gxti> i should use preprocessor to make linker scripts like  these oh-so-clever people... doing silly shit with a python script substituting things in order to link my bootloader
2014-10-10T17:32:50 < hjf> ok the var is a struct defined as extern
2014-10-10T17:33:03 < hjf> where do i put that attribute:
2014-10-10T17:33:08 < hjf> in the struct declaration
2014-10-10T17:33:13 < hjf> in the variable declaration
2014-10-10T17:33:14 < dongs> where the var is defined
2014-10-10T17:33:19 < hjf> or in the variable definition in the .c?
2014-10-10T17:33:20 < gxti> it's not part of the type, it goes on the var definition (.c file)
2014-10-10T17:33:26 < hjf> good
2014-10-10T17:33:30 < dongs> struct foo lol_struct __attribute();
2014-10-10T17:33:47 < hjf> does it give out an error if there's no such section?
2014-10-10T17:33:54 < dongs> probly
2014-10-10T17:34:12 < gxti> try it and see
2014-10-10T17:34:27 < hjf> seems it doesn't
2014-10-10T17:34:37 < hjf> struct cbuf cbuffer   __attribute__((section(".lolol")));
2014-10-10T17:35:18 < hjf> it doesn't give an error on compile
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2014-10-10T17:35:28 < GargantuaSauce> it would break in linking not compilation
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2014-10-10T17:36:01 < hjf> GargantuaSauce: yeah.. well i mean it generates the .hex or whatever
2014-10-10T17:36:06 < zyp> it wouldn't necessary break either, it might just be dropped or stuffed into the wrong region
2014-10-10T17:36:07 < GargantuaSauce> weird
2014-10-10T17:36:15 < dongs> lol opensore.
2014-10-10T17:36:25 < GargantuaSauce> is there at least a warning
2014-10-10T17:36:27 < hjf> do i have to look in the map file
2014-10-10T17:36:30 < zyp> if it's not referenced from an included section then it would be garbage collected
2014-10-10T17:38:34 < hjf> hm
2014-10-10T17:38:50 < hjf> cbuffer appears in the .map file under .ccm
2014-10-10T17:39:21 < hjf> and doesn't if i don't put the attribute
2014-10-10T17:39:25 < hjf> so i guess it's ok
2014-10-10T17:41:24 < hjf> wait
2014-10-10T17:41:47 < hjf> __heap_base__ is after my .ccm definition
2014-10-10T17:42:02 < hjf> does that mean chibios' linker only allocates heap in CCM RAM?
2014-10-10T17:43:07 < gxti> map file would quickly tell you, yeah?
2014-10-10T17:43:27 < hjf> gxti: yes i'm reading the map file
2014-10-10T17:43:55 < gxti> well then you're in a better position than we are to see which symbols are in CCM...
2014-10-10T17:44:48 < dongs> i just used ctrl+v to copy a image from clipboard to gmail
2014-10-10T17:44:51 < dongs> feel so  dirty
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2014-10-10T18:17:55 < hjf> hm
2014-10-10T18:18:10 < hjf> i moved those arrays to CCM and freed up over 10K of heap
2014-10-10T18:20:51 < dongs> are tehy static
2014-10-10T18:21:09 < hjf> yes
2014-10-10T18:21:17 < dongs> as in const?
2014-10-10T18:21:22 < dongs> or modified by shit
2014-10-10T18:21:22 < hjf> no
2014-10-10T18:21:43 < hjf> they're char[] buffers
2014-10-10T18:21:50 < hjf> where i receive TCP data
2014-10-10T18:21:56 < dongs> o
2014-10-10T18:22:11 < dongs> well, you should probably move helix arrays tehre instead
2014-10-10T18:22:14 < dongs> theres some large ones.
2014-10-10T18:22:21 < dongs> also go through .map and make sure any const shit is actually const
2014-10-10T18:22:27 < dongs> their code is full of trash as usual
2014-10-10T18:22:36 < dongs> you could end up with a large lookup table in sram just bceause t hey're stupid
2014-10-10T18:22:56 < hjf> also helix says optimized for arm
2014-10-10T18:23:05 < hjf> they include some asm files which i tried to compile
2014-10-10T18:23:12 < hjf> but it says it's not for poor people's ARM
2014-10-10T18:23:19 < hjf> only real ARM like armv7 and shit
2014-10-10T18:23:26 < dongs> prettty sure that trash was arm9 or someshit
2014-10-10T18:23:28 < dongs> like v6
2014-10-10T18:23:30 < dongs> or whatever
2014-10-10T18:23:36 < hjf> so stm32's Thumb doesn't cut it
2014-10-10T18:23:40 < dongs> yea
2014-10-10T18:25:20 < gxti> not just stm32, all cortex-m is thumb-only
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2014-10-10T18:59:31 < TheSeven> hm, what is this overdrive mode of f427?
2014-10-10T18:59:50 < TheSeven> does anyone have a clue what that actually does, and what the advantages/disadvantages of it are?
2014-10-10T19:00:16 < TheSeven> ST seems to only specify voltages and clock frequencies for it, but I can't find any docs on how this actually works
2014-10-10T19:00:23 < TheSeven> i.e. why it allows a higher clock at the same voltage
2014-10-10T19:00:38 < GargantuaSauce> there's an internal ldo, i believe it increases the voltage of that
2014-10-10T19:00:50 < TheSeven> no, that's the voltage scale thing
2014-10-10T19:01:02 < TheSeven> overdrive seems to be orthogonal to that somehow, which I don't understand
2014-10-10T19:09:44 < GargantuaSauce> yeah the documentation doesn't say anything about what it actually DOES, weird
2014-10-10T19:13:27 < hjf> is there a way to reset the F4 from GDB? right now i just do "terminate and relaunch" from eclipse but this rewrites flash every time
2014-10-10T19:14:43 < GargantuaSauce> i use oocd's reset command
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2014-10-10T19:18:50 < Tectu> "Please give me sample project "Hello world" with uGFX GUI for this demo board. Keil IDE is desirable."
2014-10-10T19:21:24 < gxti> please do the needful
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2014-10-10T19:21:39 < Tectu> :D
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2014-10-10T19:22:02 < GargantuaSauce> reply with an invoice for keil license and labour
2014-10-10T19:22:52 < Tectu> I assume that that is what I will do in a few years when I got sick of those kinds of posts. For now I did this one:
2014-10-10T19:22:57 < Tectu> "Sadly we are not able to create a ready-to-use project for you as it takes a lot of time. However, the wiki is very detailed on what you need to do in order to get uGFX running. The forum is always there to ask specific questions.
2014-10-10T19:22:57 < Tectu> If you are a commercial customers please contact us through the mail address that can be found here: http://ugfx.org/imprint"
2014-10-10T19:23:12 < Steffanx> a commercial customers? :P
2014-10-10T19:23:19 < Tectu> :D
2014-10-10T19:23:39 < Tectu> wouldn't be the first time that i get actual $$$ for implementing uGFX into an existing project
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2014-10-10T19:24:09 < Tectu> although 'existing project' might not be the correct term here
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2014-10-10T19:25:27 < hjf> is there a .map file parser or analyzer or something? something that will make it more friendly, maybe sort the variables by size or something like that
2014-10-10T19:25:45 < Tectu> have never heard of any
2014-10-10T19:25:54 < Tectu> just use your favorite text browser
2014-10-10T19:26:25 < Tectu> "vim is desirable."  LOL
2014-10-10T19:31:43 < Laurenceb> omg meat thermometer
2014-10-10T19:49:43 < Tectu> yep
2014-10-10T19:50:35 < Laurenceb> some hot meat
2014-10-10T19:53:35 < TheSeven> hjf: "monitor reset"
2014-10-10T19:54:20 < TheSeven> those "monitor" commands are passed through to the GDB server (ST-link, openocd, whatever)
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2014-10-10T20:19:47 < Tectu> "Note: The Quartus II software is a full-featured EDA product. Depending on your download speed, download times may be lengthy."
2014-10-10T20:20:28 < gxti> full-featured!
2014-10-10T20:20:39 < Steffanx> in otherwords: for Tectu it will take a very long time to download
2014-10-10T20:20:54 < hjf> wtf
2014-10-10T20:21:00 < hjf> whats up with those phantom breakpoints
2014-10-10T20:21:04 < gxti> i guess all this software i'm using that takes up less than 6GB is not "full-featured"
2014-10-10T20:21:20 < hjf> for some reason gdb (eclipse?) puts a breakpoint in some function i dont want to break
2014-10-10T20:22:40 < Tectu> gxti, now you know what you have to do ;--)
2014-10-10T20:23:09 < GargantuaSauce> and if it's less than a gigabyte you may as well be using chalk and slate
2014-10-10T20:24:28 < TheSeven> hjf: some arbitrary location? or e.g. some fault handler?
2014-10-10T20:25:39 < hjf> TheSeven: no, apparently sometimes in the gui (in the editor) they disappear so you have to go to breakpoint view and remove them from there
2014-10-10T20:26:48 < GargantuaSauce> i cant imagine tolerating eclipse for embedded development for more than an hour or two
2014-10-10T20:27:05 < BrainDamage> >hour
2014-10-10T20:27:16 < GargantuaSauce> i am trying to be generous here
2014-10-10T20:27:46 < TheSeven> GargantuaSauce: what else would you use?
2014-10-10T20:27:59 < GargantuaSauce> gdb's cli and a text editor
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2014-10-10T20:28:47 < TheSeven> wtf
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2014-10-10T20:32:45 < Tectu> TheSeven, same here
2014-10-10T20:32:50 < Tectu> TheSeven, I use vi + make all the way
2014-10-10T20:32:59 < Tectu> and GDB cli
2014-10-10T20:33:39 < GargantuaSauce> and i don't think it's the pinnacle of usability or anything but it's definitely less infuriatingly bad than eclipse
2014-10-10T20:34:06 < Tectu> GargantuaSauce <3
2014-10-10T20:35:25 < GargantuaSauce> i've used eclipse for a very diverse variety of environments and targets and it was bad at all of them
2014-10-10T20:36:46 < Tectu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ3XbMYcZiw
2014-10-10T20:36:50 < Tectu> wrong channel, sorry
2014-10-10T20:37:53 < Steffanx> troll bait.
2014-10-10T20:39:35 < dirty_d> hmm what the hell, you cant invert the logic of the uart rts/cts?
2014-10-10T20:39:59 < dirty_d> theyre active low, but this bluwetooth module is active high
2014-10-10T20:42:16 < dirty_d> wait nevermind, theyre the same.
2014-10-10T20:53:34 < TheSeven> Tectu: I've teached eclipse to just use make and gdb in the background, and find it much better to use, especially while singlestepping code, compared to command line GDB
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2014-10-10T20:57:59 < yan_> can anyone recommend a decent write up on the stm32 clock system, other than the datasheet/ref manual?
2014-10-10T20:59:57 < GargantuaSauce> what are you looking to learn
2014-10-10T21:01:09 < yan_> GargantuaSauce: i've read the descriptions in the ref manual, and they're mostly "these are the clocks available, here is how to set multiplier, here is how they're configured", i'm looking for more how the clocks are used in various power modes, how different peripheral bus clocks are tied to it, etc
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2014-10-10T21:01:42 < GargantuaSauce> well the clock tree in the reference manual makes the latter clear
2014-10-10T21:07:16 < lieron> you can try the Cube software
2014-10-10T21:07:31 < lieron> not used the clock configurator of cube myself though
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2014-10-10T21:11:07 < lieron> Just had a quick try with it. Seems to work fine. I personally don't like the generated code, but you can use the tool just to get the numbers to modify too.
2014-10-10T21:13:05 < hjf> so
2014-10-10T21:13:19 < hjf> does anyone know about an AAC decoder that can do SBR on STM32F4?
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2014-10-10T21:13:38 < hjf> i just can't get the Helix one to work. apparently it's too big (about 80KB RAM or so)
2014-10-10T21:15:09 < TheSeven> hjf: you might want to look into rockbox's codecs
2014-10-10T21:15:41 < TheSeven> but not sure if those are much better
2014-10-10T21:34:52 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/10/epassport_to_trinistria/
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2014-10-10T22:05:09 < dirty_d> what would cause uart to stop working until i reset?
2014-10-10T22:05:52 < jadew> an overflow
2014-10-10T22:06:10 < jadew> check the status register
2014-10-10T22:06:49 < jadew> look for other errors too
2014-10-10T22:07:26 < dirty_d> i have cts/rts enabled but its not working for some reason, the overrun error flag is set
2014-10-10T22:07:55 < TheSeven> does the other side adhere to cts?
2014-10-10T22:08:29 < dirty_d> its supposed to
2014-10-10T22:08:40 < jadew> dirty_d, ah
2014-10-10T22:08:42 < jadew> what chip?
2014-10-10T22:08:44 < jadew> F4?
2014-10-10T22:08:54 < dirty_d> it only errors when i have loop taht wastes time between recv and send
2014-10-10T22:08:54 < TheSeven> any break characters involved?
2014-10-10T22:09:05 < jadew> check the errata, on the F4 at least they screwed up the handshaking mode
2014-10-10T22:09:05 < dirty_d> its just reading data and writing the same bytes back
2014-10-10T22:09:10 < dirty_d> f3
2014-10-10T22:09:47 < jadew> rts goes low, right?
2014-10-10T22:10:32 < jadew> dirty_d, is RTS low when it stops working?
2014-10-10T22:10:42 < TheSeven> you mean cts?
2014-10-10T22:10:53 < dirty_d> i cant check it yet
2014-10-10T22:10:57 < dirty_d> but heres the code http://pastebin.com/Y2HkecG3
2014-10-10T22:11:02 < dirty_d> i'll have to wait till i get home
2014-10-10T22:11:09 < TheSeven> is that wired up correctly? i.e. rts to cts and vice versa, not same to same?
2014-10-10T22:11:11 < jadew> TheSeven, no, RTS
2014-10-10T22:11:19 < jadew> it takes it down on framing error
2014-10-10T22:11:27 < TheSeven> jadew: depends on which side you look at
2014-10-10T22:11:42 < jadew> what basically happens is that if you don't have long enough stop bits
2014-10-10T22:11:55 < jadew> it may not read CTS fast enough
2014-10-10T22:12:06 < dirty_d> i hope im reading the register right, im using "mdw phys 0x4000441C"
2014-10-10T22:12:30 < dirty_d> yea its wired correctly
2014-10-10T22:12:45 < jadew> the other chip may not read it, so it would keep sending stuff
2014-10-10T22:13:08 < dirty_d> its its connected to this https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12577
2014-10-10T22:13:15 < jadew> now, if a new byte arrives while this chips's RTS is on (can't receive), then a framing error is generated
2014-10-10T22:13:58 < jadew> when the framing error is generated the USART peripheral (on F4 at least) enters in an erronous state in which it stops acceping data yet RTS is asserted (it's held low)
2014-10-10T22:14:05 < jadew> this is an error in the peripheral
2014-10-10T22:14:24 < dirty_d> it says hardware flow control is enabled by default on the bluetooth module
2014-10-10T22:14:58 < dirty_d> do you think this could happen if the gpio pin is set to 2mhz speed?
2014-10-10T22:15:02 < jadew> dirty_d, check RTS when the chip is stuck
2014-10-10T22:15:05 < jadew> (use a multimeter)
2014-10-10T22:15:22 < jadew> if it's 0, it means the problem I'm describing affects your chip as well
2014-10-10T22:15:37 < jadew> if that's the case, try increasing the number of stop bits to 2
2014-10-10T22:15:59 < jadew> this will give enough time to both sides to interpret the CTS line
2014-10-10T22:16:44 < dirty_d> ok
2014-10-10T22:16:50 < dirty_d> im going to have to try checking when i get home
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2014-10-10T22:47:47 < dirty_d> the end of block flag is set
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2014-10-10T23:09:29 < jadew> I just checked the RM for F3, I don't think that's it
2014-10-10T23:09:53 < jadew> and I'm surprised by the fact that it's a different implementation
2014-10-10T23:10:05 < jadew> the USART peripheral on F3 is much better than the one on F4
2014-10-10T23:18:19 < dirty_d> hmm this is odd
2014-10-10T23:18:37 < dirty_d> i set the OVERDIS flag in UART2_CR3
2014-10-10T23:18:46 < dirty_d> taht disables the overflow check
2014-10-10T23:18:54 < dirty_d> everything works now, and im not losing any data
2014-10-10T23:19:12 < dirty_d> why would the overflow falg get set if im not losing any data?
2014-10-10T23:19:42 < jadew> because you're getting data after RTS has been taken high
2014-10-10T23:19:47 < jadew> so when you shouldn't receive data
2014-10-10T23:19:49 < xkonni> ll
2014-10-10T23:19:53 < xkonni> ah sorry
2014-10-10T23:20:18 < jadew> disabling the overrun thing is not the way to go
2014-10-10T23:20:23 < dirty_d> ahh
2014-10-10T23:20:36 < dirty_d> so like you said, more stop bits should fix it?
2014-10-10T23:20:52 < jadew> but I'm surprised that it has that... why the hell did they use such garbage peripherals on the F4?
2014-10-10T23:21:12 < jadew> dirty_d, yeah, give it a try
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2014-10-11T02:33:46 < dongs> sup innovators
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2014-10-11T02:51:44 < baird> innovators+
2014-10-11T02:56:03 < dongs> innovators*
2014-10-11T02:56:05 < dongs> * = not really
2014-10-11T02:56:19 < dongs> http://acko.net/files/dump/js1.5k.html cute
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2014-10-11T03:30:00 < hjf> weird. i got the AAC decoder to decode a shoutcast stream,
2014-10-11T03:30:11 < hjf> and the DMA to send it to the I2S port
2014-10-11T03:30:19 < hjf> but it's like the I2S is going too fast
2014-10-11T03:30:55 < hjf> i mean everything sounds 2x the speed yeah, and i get a buffer underrun soon
2014-10-11T03:31:27 < hjf> but I2S timing is fine. 44100hz LRCK and 32*LRCK serial clock
2014-10-11T03:31:44 < hjf> and 256LRCK master clock
2014-10-11T03:31:57 < hjf> i measured with a freq counter
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2014-10-11T03:37:20 < hjf> oh
2014-10-11T03:37:24 < hjf> i get it
2014-10-11T03:37:38 < hjf> that's how AAC works
2014-10-11T03:37:43 < TheSeven> mono samples split between channels? :P
2014-10-11T03:37:45 < hjf> it's actually encoding at 22050Hz
2014-10-11T03:38:16 < hjf> that's why the output of the decoder is 1024 * Nchannels if you use AAC, or 2048 if you use SBR
2014-10-11T03:39:06 < hjf> SBR is spectral band replication. It regenerates higher frequencies from the harmonic content
2014-10-11T03:39:17 < hjf> so it doubles the sampling rate
2014-10-11T03:39:30 < karlp> "aliens"
2014-10-11T03:39:34 < TheSeven> yeah, HE-AAC does that kind of thing
2014-10-11T03:39:45 < hjf> i set it to 22050hz and now it works fine
2014-10-11T03:39:49 < hjf> no moar buffer underruns
2014-10-11T03:40:09 < hjf> a little bytesex issue but i swapped bytes and now i get music
2014-10-11T03:42:49 < karlp> is dirty d using openocd's memory commands instead of gdb's x command?
2014-10-11T03:43:57 < karlp> jadew: yeah, f3/f0/l0 get the sexy usart with modbus control and autobauding and all sorts of other goodies
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2014-10-11T05:26:16 < dongs> hjf, is this gonna be opensaucve
2014-10-11T05:28:30 < hjf> dongs: no das ghei
2014-10-11T05:28:46 < dongs> pfft
2014-10-11T05:40:18 < hjf> hehehehe the processor isn't powerful enough
2014-10-11T05:40:21 < hjf> or
2014-10-11T05:40:22 < hjf> well
2014-10-11T05:40:28 < hjf> gcc doesnt produce good enough coe
2014-10-11T05:40:29 < hjf> code
2014-10-11T05:40:46 < hjf> it's not able to decode HE-AAC with helix's
2014-10-11T05:41:21 < hjf> running at 150MHz
2014-10-11T05:41:42 < hjf> helix depends on some critical asm routines for real ASM processors, not thumb. must be that
2014-10-11T05:51:43 < dongs> lol gcc
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2014-10-11T06:55:26 < jadew> karlp, interesting, I wonder what made them redesign it on the F4
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2014-10-11T07:44:26 < ossifrage> Started playing with IDA tonight to try and pull some symbols from vendor code, what an impressive tool....
2014-10-11T07:46:48 < jadew> ossifrage, I think it was impressive since it was launched
2014-10-11T07:47:17 < jadew> I know that tool since it was text based and I remember I had the same reaction
2014-10-11T07:47:42 < dongs> its even nicer if you actually pay for it
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2014-10-11T07:48:03 < ossifrage> dongs, this isn't a pirated version, just a demo from the website
2014-10-11T07:48:08 < dongs> oh
2014-10-11T07:48:28 < jadew> yeah, I also tried the demo, not using it anymore
2014-10-11T07:49:02 < dongs> i have current support plan for ida+x86/arm decompiler
2014-10-11T07:49:06 < dongs> arm decompiler is pretty nice
2014-10-11T07:49:37  * jadew has to go ttyl
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2014-10-11T07:57:37 < ossifrage> dongs, it doesn't help that I have no clue what to look for...
2014-10-11T07:57:48 < dongs> true
2014-10-11T07:58:43 < ossifrage> I just hate breaking in gdb, doing a where and just getting a bunch of PCs in a binary blob
2014-10-11T08:00:06 < ossifrage> annoyed me enough tonight to see what happens if I loaded it into IDA
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2014-10-11T10:21:35 < TheSeven> dongs: now if one could only actually buy that thing!
2014-10-11T10:21:42 < TheSeven> (as an individual)
2014-10-11T10:22:05 < TheSeven> they're kinda forcing people into using pirated versions
2014-10-11T10:22:06 < dongs> heh
2014-10-11T10:22:24 < TheSeven> at least if you need support for ARM
2014-10-11T10:22:26 < dongs> yeah they're pretty dicks about the stuff
2014-10-11T10:22:42 < TheSeven> the demo can only do x86 IIRC
2014-10-11T10:22:42 < dongs> pirated decompilers are always ancient
2014-10-11T10:22:58 < dongs> the latest pirated shit was decompiler 1.x or someshit, I think my stuff is 2.x
2014-10-11T10:24:11 < dongs> Hex-Rays Decompiler plugin has been loaded (v2.0.0.140605) yea
2014-10-11T10:29:28 < dongs> https://644db4de3505c40a0444-327723bce298e3ff5813fb42baeefbaa.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/uploads/project/top_image/eeKhgtvj/i.png this lol
2014-10-11T10:40:47  * TheSeven wonders what the heck that chip on the bottom left is
2014-10-11T10:40:57 < TheSeven> with just a few randomly placed pads
2014-10-11T10:41:00 < dongs> its a tqfp32
2014-10-11T10:41:21 < dongs> https://644db4de3505c40a0444-327723bce298e3ff5813fb42baeefbaa.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/uploads/project/top_image/K7sEsqYH/i.png holy shit such aids
2014-10-11T10:41:22 < TheSeven> likely some mcu...
2014-10-11T10:41:29 < dongs> TheSeven: its some audiophool dac
2014-10-11T10:41:31 < dongs> PCM5702 or someshit
2014-10-11T10:41:35 < dongs> or 2702 or whaegere
2014-10-11T10:41:39 < dongs> he removed unsed pads
2014-10-11T10:41:39 < TheSeven> hm
2014-10-11T10:41:44 < dongs> probably for higher highs
2014-10-11T10:41:45 < TheSeven> not sure if that's a good idea
2014-10-11T10:41:48 < dongs> and/or wider soundstage
2014-10-11T10:42:20 < dongs> if a pin is not connectedit has no chance to add jitter.
2014-10-11T10:42:40 < TheSeven> I'd just add an unconnected pad in that case, for mechanical reasons
2014-10-11T10:42:57 < TheSeven> but connecting unused pins to well-defined levels is usually a good idea to reduce noise
2014-10-11T11:06:41 < dongs> dont tell that to audiophools
2014-10-11T11:06:48 < dongs> jitter must be stopped at all costs
2014-10-11T11:07:44 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/LSdZUg7.jpg stoners
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2014-10-11T11:18:48 < akaWolf> dongie
2014-10-11T11:22:12 < dongs> yo
2014-10-11T11:25:53 < dongs> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/nbw6ikQ2 lol
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2014-10-11T11:40:52 < ReadError> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Zx8gGWnf lol
2014-10-11T11:50:47 < dongs> boring clone trash
2014-10-11T12:12:21 < ReadError> agreed
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2014-10-11T14:26:55 < dongs> https://ez.analog.com/docs/DOC-2143 nice
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2014-10-11T14:38:20 < dongs> ttp://www.icdm-sid.org/downloads/download.php wow i wish stm32 reference manusl were written like this
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2014-10-11T14:56:27 < zyp> haha
2014-10-11T15:05:37 < qyx_> lol
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2014-10-11T16:11:15 < dongs> worth a download, right??
2014-10-11T16:12:56 < Laurenceb_> the snappening?
2014-10-11T16:13:09 < dongs> no, this: http://www.icdm-sid.org/downloads/download.php
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2014-10-11T16:22:02 < dongs> Laurenceb_: url to torrent
2014-10-11T16:22:55 < Laurenceb_>  .pdf.zip
2014-10-11T16:22:59 < Laurenceb_> not opening
2014-10-11T16:23:03 < dongs> fully legit
2014-10-11T16:25:39 < karlp> jadew: no, you're looking at it backwards, f0/l0/f3 are all _newer_ than f4.
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2014-10-11T16:54:26 < Sync> oh wow dongs
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2014-10-11T17:32:52 < hjf> karlp: but isn't F4 still faster than the others? f4 can do >150MHz clock
2014-10-11T17:32:54 < jadew> karlp, ah, didn't know that
2014-10-11T17:33:05 < hjf> and being the same core, but with added DSP and FPU, it's still faster
2014-10-11T17:33:19 < hjf> thats why its called F4 and the others F3 and not F5
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2014-10-11T17:40:59 < karlp> hjf: l0 is newest, what's speed got to do with it?
2014-10-11T17:41:11 < karlp> jadew was talking about the usart peripheral differences :)
2014-10-11T17:48:48 < hjf> karlp: eh, i was talking about the naming convention. for many people newer=better (and faster=better so newer=faster)
2014-10-11T17:51:28 < Laurenceb_> wtf dongs
2014-10-11T17:51:32 < Laurenceb_> huge download
2014-10-11T17:52:44 < Laurenceb_> wtf is this
2014-10-11T17:54:26 < qyx_> pro document
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2014-10-11T17:57:16 < Steffanx> Real office clipart, YAY
2014-10-11T17:57:51 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2014-10-11T17:57:54 < Laurenceb_> what about?
2014-10-11T17:58:06 < Steffanx> download and see
2014-10-11T17:58:09 < Laurenceb_> i gave up at 25MB
2014-10-11T17:58:15 < Steffanx> its ~50
2014-10-11T17:58:19 < Laurenceb_> omfg
2014-10-11T17:58:47 < Steffanx> but it's also a waste of time.
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2014-10-11T18:38:05 < hjf> hm
2014-10-11T18:38:21 < hjf> i found some codec that supposedly builds into a library,
2014-10-11T18:38:27 < hjf> it has a makefile and all
2014-10-11T18:38:45 < dongs> aac?
2014-10-11T18:38:48 < hjf> yes
2014-10-11T18:38:55 < dongs> have you looked at the trash in rockbox
2014-10-11T18:38:55 < hjf> https://code.google.com/p/opencore-aacdec/source/checkout
2014-10-11T18:39:22 < hjf> i will
2014-10-11T18:39:33 < hjf> but i want to try this one since it's supposed to be just "make"
2014-10-11T18:40:14 < hjf> how do i compile this on linux? i mean how do i cross compile?
2014-10-11T18:40:28 < hjf> it needs automake and i dont have automake on windows
2014-10-11T18:41:39 < qyx_> read INSTALL file
2014-10-11T18:41:48 < dongs> haha
2014-10-11T18:41:54 < dongs> that install file was written by RMS himself
2014-10-11T18:41:57 < dongs> in 1989
2014-10-11T18:42:03 < dongs> and never updated again
2014-10-11T18:42:11 < hjf> heh yes
2014-10-11T18:42:15 < hjf> default INSTALL
2014-10-11T18:42:18 < qyx_> lol
2014-10-11T18:42:19 < qyx_> yes
2014-10-11T18:42:22 < hjf> making a reference to ./configure even
2014-10-11T18:42:28 < hjf> there's no configure script in that tree
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2014-10-11T18:43:07 < hjf> anyway i think the key for AAC SBR to work is to use the FPU in the F4
2014-10-11T18:43:13 < qyx_> then run ./bootstrp.sh first
2014-10-11T18:43:34 < qyx_> how would you use fpu in fixedpoint decoder?
2014-10-11T18:43:42 < dongs> fuxedpoint
2014-10-11T18:44:32 < hjf> qyx_: i mean use a codec that's not FP
2014-10-11T18:44:34 < hjf> er
2014-10-11T18:44:39 < hjf> fixed point
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2014-10-11T18:45:40 < qyx_> theres no difference in fixed/floating point implementation from the maths perspective
2014-10-11T18:45:44 < hjf> i'm just guessing here but i think to be fixed point there must be a lot of checks and whatnot, to make sure you're saturating instead of going out of range. but i don't know
2014-10-11T18:48:33 < hjf> qyx_: anyway, what i know is that it can be done. there are plenty of commercial implementations that do HE-AAC and they say they can do it in <40MHz
2014-10-11T18:48:57 < hjf> i dont know what that means though. i guess it means if your CPU is 160MHz it will take 25% CPU time to do it?
2014-10-11T18:50:19 < dongs> hfj, fuck google
2014-10-11T18:50:26 < dongs> i just saw your stackexchange post
2014-10-11T18:50:31 < hjf> dongs: ahahaha
2014-10-11T18:50:31 < dongs> fro m41 minutes ago
2014-10-11T18:50:46 < hjf> dongs: it's worse. sometimes I find my own posts from minutes ago in google
2014-10-11T18:52:12 < dongs> how about aac decoder in assdroid
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2014-10-11T18:54:16 < hjf> dongs: is that free
2014-10-11T18:54:24 < dongs> its free as in aids, sure
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2014-10-11T18:55:32 < dongs> laff
2014-10-11T18:55:39 < dongs> i found something from OMX
2014-10-11T18:55:43 < dongs> entirely in asm
2014-10-11T18:56:22 < dongs>   ..\...\...\omxACAAC_MDCTInv_S32_S16_s.s
2014-10-11T18:56:22 < dongs>   ..\...\...\omxACAAC_NoiselessDecode.c
2014-10-11T18:56:29 < dongs> only has a couple .c files
2014-10-11T18:56:34 < dongs> and ~20 .s
2014-10-11T18:56:43 < hjf> dongs: is that thumb asm or ARM asm?
2014-10-11T18:56:49 < dongs> arm of course
2014-10-11T18:57:01 < dongs>         ;// Define cpu variants
2014-10-11T18:57:02 < dongs>         M_VARIANTS ARM1136JS
2014-10-11T18:57:03 < hjf> helix has some critical ASM but only for ARM, not for thumb (F4 is thumb not ARM)
2014-10-11T18:57:05 < dongs> complete shit
2014-10-11T19:16:33 < Tectu> hi dongs
2014-10-11T19:30:08 < dongs> yo
2014-10-11T19:30:10 < dongs> goin to sleep
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2014-10-11T23:03:34 < jadew> da
2014-10-11T23:05:38 < Steffanx> njet
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2014-10-11T23:42:48 < TheSeven> hm, now how do I prevent gcc with -flto from optimizing everything away?
2014-10-11T23:43:00 < TheSeven> it seems to ignore the KEEP() thing in the linker script
2014-10-11T23:43:09 < TheSeven> it also ignores __attribute__((used))
2014-10-11T23:43:12 < TheSeven> ideas?
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2014-10-12T00:05:17 < zyp> what are you referring to?
2014-10-12T00:05:26 < zyp> the vector table?
2014-10-12T00:05:39 < zyp> or something else?
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2014-10-12T00:26:36 < gxti> probably everything.
2014-10-12T00:26:48 < gxti> so far i've also been unsuccessful in using lto because it deletes everything.
2014-10-12T00:27:24 < gxti> also assembly confuses it, if something is only referenced by embedded assembly then it gets pruned then the link fails
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2014-10-12T00:30:43 < dekar> My example should compile fine with LTO enabled: https://github.com/EliasOenal/TNT_Example
2014-10-12T00:33:35 < dekar> iirc -flto-partition=none and -fno-use-linker-plugin helped with some of the problems
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2014-10-12T01:57:09 < dongs> up
2014-10-12T01:57:10 < dongs> sup
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2014-10-12T03:24:29 < dongs> lastlog jpg
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2014-10-12T04:23:10 < aadamson> dongs, you stencil applied the zeph paste before?  no issues?
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2014-10-12T04:32:16 < dongs> yes
2014-10-12T04:32:20 < dongs> ive used it for years w/stencils
2014-10-12T04:32:33 < dongs> until i found a ~same quality local place
2014-10-12T04:34:12 < dongs> usb + dp + hdmi does that yeah
2014-10-12T04:34:20 < dongs> thats about the only dip+smt mix stuff I ever used
2014-10-12T04:34:32 < aadamson> Thanks dongs, gonna try it for a small board to test.
2014-10-12T04:34:52 < aadamson> seems it's a little *thinner* in consistency than the other that I use so hoping everything works out ok
2014-10-12T04:35:08 < dongs> R2COM: if its dip only the its handsoldered
2014-10-12T04:35:21 < dongs> plus headers are usually debug/etc so I dont need htem out of the box
2014-10-12T04:35:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tRJXBlb.jpg im about to assemble these after cleaning the room
2014-10-12T04:35:54 < dongs> left side HDMI will be reflow
2014-10-12T04:36:04 < dongs> the outer row of shit is dip
2014-10-12T04:37:16 < dongs> too much work
2014-10-12T04:37:23 < dongs> plus i will bring up the board first before adding headers.
2014-10-12T04:37:29 < dongs> so theyt will just be in the fucking way
2014-10-12T04:37:36 < dongs> of plugging in scope/LA probes
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2014-10-12T05:18:32 < upgrdman> lol. what a stupid chair.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9_amg-Aos4&feature=youtu.be
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2014-10-12T07:14:29 < LeelooMinai> "no ambarassing moments" ... right...
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2014-10-12T07:56:10 < jadew> http://elitedaily.com/envision/worst-packaging-fails-photos/794021/
2014-10-12T07:59:12 < jadew> a chick I know, that's in my FB friends list, also likes that site - huge waste of a screen estate
2014-10-12T08:01:07 < jadew> yeah, whenever I can't remember her name, I'm reminded that she's the one with the big boobs
2014-10-12T08:01:15 < jadew> she's doable
2014-10-12T08:02:27 < jadew> I'm not much of a friend with her, my wife always makes sure that I don't have too much contact with her when we meet
2014-10-12T08:02:49 < jadew> I guess that could be used as an indication of hotness
2014-10-12T08:03:05 < jadew> because she can withhold sex
2014-10-12T08:07:40 < jadew> of course
2014-10-12T08:08:03 < jadew> would be weird to have to talk chinglish with the wife
2014-10-12T08:08:26 < jadew> ah
2014-10-12T08:08:28 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-12T08:08:37 < jadew> tiny with big boobs
2014-10-12T08:09:52 < jadew> blonde, not sure if it's natural or not
2014-10-12T08:10:40 < jadew> I always assumed it's natural, but you never know these days
2014-10-12T08:11:37 < jadew> anything but boring
2014-10-12T08:11:56 < jadew> because there's always some jerk pissing you off
2014-10-12T08:13:29 < jadew> well, for starters most drivers are unpolite shitheads
2014-10-12T08:14:13 < jadew> then there's beggers in intersections (easier to deal with than the ones that approach you when you're not in a car)
2014-10-12T08:15:23 < jadew> yeah :P
2014-10-12T08:15:45 < jadew> where do you live?
2014-10-12T08:15:59 < jadew> where's that?
2014-10-12T08:16:18 < jadew> got it
2014-10-12T08:16:38 < jadew> I actually received a green card, but didn't go to pick it up
2014-10-12T08:17:22 < jadew> tbh, I don't think I'd easily adapt in any other country
2014-10-12T08:17:50 < jadew> I don't know how so many people are able to immigrate
2014-10-12T08:18:08 < jadew> R2COM, it's lost, I had like half a year to pick it up or something
2014-10-12T08:18:32 < jadew> I hope that when I'm going to apply for a tourist visa they'll take into account that I don't want to stay there and just give me the damn thing
2014-10-12T08:18:45 < jadew> they seem to reject a lot of people
2014-10-12T08:19:04 < jadew> R2COM, I don't know
2014-10-12T08:20:26 < jadew> what do you mean?
2014-10-12T08:21:00 < jadew> we go abroad and beg
2014-10-12T08:21:20 < jadew> well, I guess all the usual jobs
2014-10-12T08:21:38 < jadew> we used to have a lot of industry going on, but not anymore
2014-10-12T08:22:11 < jadew> well, we don't have a space program, so we're not doing that
2014-10-12T08:22:32 < jadew> everything else
2014-10-12T08:23:00 < jadew> not sure what kind of answer you're expecting, there are millions of people here
2014-10-12T08:23:06 < jadew> we're not specialized in anything
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2014-10-12T08:23:22 < jadew> oh me
2014-10-12T08:23:31 < jadew> I thought romanians in general
2014-10-12T08:23:37 < jadew> I'm a software developer
2014-10-12T08:24:23 < jadew> depends, the company I work for isn't selling software
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2014-10-12T08:24:39 < jadew> so most software I make is for internal use
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2014-10-12T08:25:09 < jadew> I don't know what borat is and no
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2014-10-12T08:25:25 < jadew> gypsies, for some reason live in the center of the city for the most part
2014-10-12T08:25:54 < jadew> they also have a neighbourhood of their own
2014-10-12T08:26:06 < jadew> and there are also streets that are gypsie only
2014-10-12T08:26:34 < jadew> usually if you have a few gypsies on the street, the price of the neighbouring houses will drop a lot
2014-10-12T08:26:44 < jadew> and it will eventually become a gypsie only street
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2014-10-12T08:27:28 < LeelooMinai> jadew: That sounds like some infection or virus:)
2014-10-12T08:27:45 < jadew> LeelooMinai, hehe, kinda is
2014-10-12T08:27:56 < jadew> they have 10+ kids too
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2014-10-12T08:29:19 < Viper168> sell them hair from pubics?
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2014-10-12T08:31:12 < Viper168> the lander will be made out of wood
2014-10-12T08:31:57 < jadew> I think romania is heading in the same direction with every country in the world: down
2014-10-12T08:32:06 < jadew> except china and a few other asian countries
2014-10-12T08:32:22 < Viper168> china's growth has actually been slowing down
2014-10-12T08:32:31 < jadew> of course yes, because we have too many regulations and we fail to produce any kind of value
2014-10-12T08:32:43 < jadew> Viper168, yeah, but they're still growing
2014-10-12T08:32:47 < Viper168> they're reaching new highs but their progress is slowing a lot
2014-10-12T08:33:27 < jadew> R2COM, there'
2014-10-12T08:33:39 < jadew> R2COM, there's absolutely no incentive for someone to produce a PCB in the EU
2014-10-12T08:34:01 < jadew> produce
2014-10-12T08:34:15 < jadew> I'm not even talking about Romania, where it's both more expensive and shittier quality
2014-10-12T08:34:57 < jadew> then there's assembly and then, if you want to actually sell your shit, you have to get tons of certifications
2014-10-12T08:35:10 < jadew> the chinese on the other hand don't give a crap about any of that
2014-10-12T08:35:28 < jadew> some dude in his basement can design something and sell it, worldwide!
2014-10-12T08:35:36 < jadew> with free shipping of course :)
2014-10-12T08:36:16 < jadew> I can, but it would cost a lot
2014-10-12T08:37:10 < jadew> for example that project of mine, I opted for delivery directly from china so I could treat it as an intermediation on paper
2014-10-12T08:37:17 < jadew> otherwise I'd have to import it
2014-10-12T08:37:19 < jadew> pay vat
2014-10-12T08:37:29 < jadew> and other taxes on it
2014-10-12T08:37:42 < jadew> then ship it from romania and have everyone in the EU pay vat as well
2014-10-12T08:38:13 < jadew> it's something you don't have
2014-10-12T08:38:27 < jadew> tax on added value
2014-10-12T08:38:39 < jadew> basically %24 of the value of the product in my country
2014-10-12T08:38:44 < jadew> in other countries it's less
2014-10-12T08:39:07 < jadew> precisely
2014-10-12T08:39:27 < jadew> lol
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2014-10-12T11:51:06 < dongs> sup innovators
2014-10-12T11:51:08 < dongs> was driving today
2014-10-12T11:53:34 < dongs> israel
2014-10-12T11:54:01 < dongs> yes
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2014-10-12T12:02:25 < dongs> now i need to catch up on some assembly
2014-10-12T12:02:26 < dongs> sigh
2014-10-12T12:04:07 < dongs> cuz it didnt get done while i wa sgone????
2014-10-12T12:07:10 < dongs> ya i gotta suffer with salary of $1
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2014-10-12T13:35:10 < neuro_sys> Hi
2014-10-12T13:37:55 < jpa-> hello
2014-10-12T13:40:05 < dongs> sup
2014-10-12T13:40:08 < dongs> bloggin
2014-10-12T13:40:43 < petus> hi
2014-10-12T13:44:31 < neuro_sys> hi
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2014-10-12T13:51:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5kG5212.jpg yo dawg
2014-10-12T13:53:07 < neuro_sys> sexy
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2014-10-12T14:33:21 < kakeman> babby's first recursive photo
2014-10-12T15:09:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jRZUAmI.png LOL
2014-10-12T15:12:02 < neuro_sys> what are these cables in the picture called?
2014-10-12T15:12:03 < neuro_sys> http://www.mcu-turkey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/IMG_3355.jpg
2014-10-12T15:12:30 < dongs> jumper wire?
2014-10-12T15:14:12 < neuro_sys> ah thanks
2014-10-12T15:15:47 < neuro_sys> are there convertors that'll change the pin from male to female, and vice versa?
2014-10-12T15:16:55 < Fleck> never have undestood the thing... putting your name on LCD :D
2014-10-12T15:18:40 < neuro_sys> swearing is more fun
2014-10-12T15:19:11 < Fleck> nop
2014-10-12T15:19:12 < Fleck> e
2014-10-12T15:20:19 < jpa-> neuro_sys: you can get female-to-female cables
2014-10-12T15:21:40 < neuro_sys> I'm just about to order both m2m and f2f cables
2014-10-12T15:21:48 < neuro_sys> so that I can combine them I guess.
2014-10-12T15:21:56 < Fleck> you can get f2m also
2014-10-12T15:22:09 < jpa-> also 2g1c is available
2014-10-12T15:22:41 < neuro_sys> and should get an lcd to toy with!
2014-10-12T15:22:59 < Fleck> yeah, to write your name on it!
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2014-10-12T15:41:19 < Tectu> Finally, the world is perfect now:  http://hackaday.com/2014/10/12/a-simple-floppy-music-controller/
2014-10-12T15:42:42 < Fleck> ;p
2014-10-12T15:45:02 < dongs> 'relatd hacks' header should be renamed to 'Retarded Hacks'
2014-10-12T15:49:05 < Fleck> what else can you expect from dongs! :D
2014-10-12T15:49:20 < Fleck> you don't get tired, don't you?
2014-10-12T15:50:28 < scrts> when dongs could be tired..?
2014-10-12T15:56:44 < dongs> poop
2014-10-12T15:56:48 < dongs> i found something my LA software can't do
2014-10-12T15:56:53 < dongs> or at least i cant find where to set it
2014-10-12T15:56:57 < dongs> is to count number of transitions
2014-10-12T15:57:08 < dongs> wait, never mind
2014-10-12T15:57:10 < dongs> its there
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2014-10-12T16:08:28 < akaWolf> do you use ... a phone?!?!
2014-10-12T16:08:30 < akaWolf> dongs:
2014-10-12T16:08:54 < Laurenceb_> i think dongs is Weev
2014-10-12T16:14:35 < dongs> akaWolf: yes sir
2014-10-12T16:14:41 < dongs> that phone is connected to ISDN line, too
2014-10-12T16:16:54 < zyp> hardcore
2014-10-12T16:19:44 < englishman> Japan is truly a modern country
2014-10-12T16:20:04 < dongs> ISDN is way more modern than pots
2014-10-12T16:21:25 < zyp> either almost tends to be a rarity nowadays
2014-10-12T16:24:16 < qyx_> huh isdn
2014-10-12T16:24:32 < qyx_> it was dead in ~2005
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2014-10-12T16:48:53 < gnomad> isdn is still very much an option when you don't have access to broadband.
2014-10-12T16:49:55 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/mQtwe playing with my haxed E4 w/zoom
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2014-10-12T17:08:20 < qyx_> gnomad: it's not available here anymore
2014-10-12T17:11:03 < gnomad> "here" being?
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2014-10-12T17:19:38 < qyx_> gnomad: .sk
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2014-10-12T17:20:27 < qyx_> broadband is almost everywhere with just few exceptions
2014-10-12T17:20:50 < qyx_> and if not, there is at least 2.5G mobile which outperforms 128kbit isdn
2014-10-12T17:21:01 < qyx_> and also it is cheaper
2014-10-12T17:27:14 < gnomad> there are still huge swaths of the US without cell or broadband coverage.
2014-10-12T17:28:37 < qyx_> nah, US is many times larger area
2014-10-12T17:29:12 < gnomad> that's my point.
2014-10-12T17:30:50 < GargantuaSauce> satellite internet has pretty decent bandwidth does it not?
2014-10-12T17:31:01 < GargantuaSauce> just with high latency
2014-10-12T17:32:37 < qyx_> and pretty "decent" price, also upload speed is not that fast
2014-10-12T17:32:43 < qyx_> at least it wasn't in the past
2014-10-12T17:32:57 < qyx_> some providers even required you to have additional connection for upstream
2014-10-12T17:33:06 < qyx_> they provided downstream only
2014-10-12T17:33:21 < qyx_> but don't know nowadays
2014-10-12T17:38:04 < Sync> it's pretty neat now
2014-10-12T17:38:12 < Sync> and prices are quite cheap now
2014-10-12T17:40:52 < GargantuaSauce> not surprising that upstream is slow. i have cable and the up:down ratio is 1:40
2014-10-12T17:41:03 < GargantuaSauce> which is a little infuriating
2014-10-12T17:48:12 < gnomad> upstream limits on cable are artificial caps to prevent you from webhosting/torrenting.
2014-10-12T17:48:25 < gnomad> the upstream cap on catellite is a technical limit.
2014-10-12T17:50:20 < Sync> gnomad: which is completely stupid
2014-10-12T17:50:26 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: not really
2014-10-12T17:50:39 < dongs> GargantuaSauce: dvb-s transponder has like 36mbit raw link rate.
2014-10-12T17:50:54 < dongs> thats if you monopolize it.
2014-10-12T17:51:04 < dongs> but there's probably hundreds or thousands users.
2014-10-12T17:51:23 < dongs> i duno how many transponders satellite internet companies wuld buy, but generally its just one( at least all th ones ive seen)
2014-10-12T17:51:43 < Sync> o0
2014-10-12T17:51:47 < Sync> they must have more
2014-10-12T17:52:07 < dongs> i used to steal sat internets off koreasat, there was only one tp for it.
2014-10-12T17:52:29 < dongs> ive also seen random stuff on other azn sats, but it was also just one
2014-10-12T17:52:30 < Sync> lel
2014-10-12T17:52:40 < dongs> dunno what usa uses
2014-10-12T17:52:41 < Sync> because some company here gives you 50mbit downstream over sat here
2014-10-12T17:53:01 < dongs> well, with dvb-s2 you have i think up to 60mbit per transponder
2014-10-12T17:53:16 < dongs> oh, this could also be ka-band or something
2014-10-12T17:53:23 < dongs> with dedicated satellite
2014-10-12T17:53:26 < dongs> this was shared with TV sat
2014-10-12T17:53:35 < dongs> then you got more bandwidth
2014-10-12T17:54:57 < dongs> looks liek all serious internets is ka-band
2014-10-12T17:55:38 < Sync> ye
2014-10-12T17:56:27 < dongs> so my data is slightly outdated.
2014-10-12T17:56:35 < dongs> ive only seen ones shared over ku-band with tv sat.
2014-10-12T17:57:27 < dongs> how i was stealing it, was getting IP list of the subscribers c urrently  "active" (people who had data sent to them) then pinging them with a packet w/payload (header+seqno+crap+crc) and reassembling those packets as tehy arrived to me from satellite.
2014-10-12T17:58:12 < dongs> just mostly used that to download large stuff from another place that would take too long over isdn
2014-10-12T17:58:19 < dongs> probly > 10 years ago
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2014-10-12T19:19:34 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm//311124399872? ooo
2014-10-12T19:19:39 < dongs> i think im gonna paypal that
2014-10-12T19:20:27 < qyx_> pff 16k
2014-10-12T19:20:32 < dongs> its 30k new
2014-10-12T19:20:41 < scrts> oh god tektronix...
2014-10-12T19:20:55 < scrts> dongs: check official seller, they have refurbishes sometimes
2014-10-12T19:21:05 < scrts> my previous company bought many refurbishes and they were like new
2014-10-12T19:21:24 < dongs> im prety sure official seller wouldnt take paypal
2014-10-12T19:22:05 < scrts> well they wouldn't steal your money either
2014-10-12T19:22:15 < dongs> Availability: No Longer Manufactured
2014-10-12T19:22:15 < scrts> your you have all your money in paypal? :)
2014-10-12T19:22:15 < dongs> This item is no longer manufactured, click here to view similar products.
2014-10-12T19:22:17 < dongs> huuuuh
2014-10-12T19:22:21 < akaWolf> dongs: are you work in the garage?
2014-10-12T19:22:28 < dongs> akaWolf: yes
2014-10-12T19:22:36 < dongs> < akaWolf> dongs: are you work in the garbage?
2014-10-12T19:22:39 < dongs> ^ ftfy
2014-10-12T19:24:52 < akaWolf> dongs: fun
2014-10-12T19:26:15 < dongs> With the introduction of the MDO4000B Tektronix has significantly enhanced the performance of the MDO.s spectrum analyzer compared to the original MDO4000 instruments.
2014-10-12T19:26:18 < dongs> hmm
2014-10-12T19:26:23 < dongs> my current dpo4k is also non-B version
2014-10-12T19:26:31 < dongs> and thats missing USB analysis (which I dont realyl carea bout)
2014-10-12T19:28:18 < scrts> after working with agilent, I don't like Tek slowliness.... however we bought 32k worth scope for 18k, refurb
2014-10-12T19:28:29 < scrts> calibrated, all stuff, came in a box like being new
2014-10-12T19:29:38 < jadew> dongs, that one has been for sale for quite a while
2014-10-12T19:29:47 < jadew> (several months at least)
2014-10-12T19:31:03 < dongs> ya?
2014-10-12T19:31:05 < dongs> is it waiting for me
2014-10-12T19:31:19 < jpa-> dongs is avoiding taxes with paypal? :)
2014-10-12T19:31:23 < jadew> maybe, I recognize the picture
2014-10-12T19:33:02 < jadew> too bad it's the only mdo on the market
2014-10-12T19:33:23 < jadew> I'm waiting for the day when that's gonna be standard on low end scopes
2014-10-12T19:33:41 < akaWolf> dongs: I suggest you use one of this: http://www.testequity.com/products/4980/ I'm worked with RTO1024.24. very impressive.
2014-10-12T19:34:06 < dongs> yeah i heard about those
2014-10-12T19:34:12 < dongs> but i like tek
2014-10-12T19:34:37 < dongs> tek runs lunix tho :(
2014-10-12T19:34:54 < Steffanx> install windows.
2014-10-12T19:34:59 < akaWolf> :)
2014-10-12T19:35:06 < dongs> its MIPS
2014-10-12T19:35:13 < akaWolf> not, MacOS
2014-10-12T19:35:26 < GargantuaSauce> unless it can get conficker, your scope sucks
2014-10-12T19:35:33 < dongs> anyawy i dunno
2014-10-12T19:35:44 < dongs> i could sell my current dpo4k for liek 5k, and my shitty 3ghz specturm analyzer for maybe ~1k
2014-10-12T19:35:52 < akaWolf> dongs: that production is really better Tek
2014-10-12T19:36:09 < dongs> akaWolf: R&S? well, yeah but its a different class of stuff
2014-10-12T19:36:19 < akaWolf> yep, definitely
2014-10-12T19:36:30 < dongs> too hardcore for me, im just a newb
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2014-10-12T22:38:47 < bvernoux> hi
2014-10-12T22:39:02 < bvernoux> for those interested in performance of STM32F4 with MicroSD SD mode 4bits
2014-10-12T22:39:06 < bvernoux> I have done some bench
2014-10-12T22:39:07 < bvernoux> https://github.com/bvernoux/hydrafw/wiki/HydraBus-microSD-read-perfomance
2014-10-12T22:39:32 < bvernoux> result: 11MBytes/s with 24MHz SD mode
2014-10-12T22:46:42 < varesa> I got myself a refurbished HMO2024 from R&S/Hameg. I guess because they are not used to selling to individuals they may or may not have forgotten to add VAT (an european tax thing) to the invoice ;)
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2014-10-12T22:56:36 < zyp> varesa, are they supposed to?
2014-10-12T22:56:56 < varesa> zyp: AFAIK yes
2014-10-12T22:57:08 < zyp> which country are they in and which are you in?
2014-10-12T22:57:17 < varesa> Germany -> Finland
2014-10-12T22:57:49 < zyp> hmm, so both EU countries
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2014-10-12T22:58:14 < varesa> a company that sells stuff is supposed to pay VAT and one that buys gets it "reduced" (don't know the word) when paying taxes, so they cancel each other out
2014-10-12T22:58:28 < zyp> normally VAT goes to your country and is collected by import customs in your country
2014-10-12T22:58:57 < varesa> zyp: but isn't that the sellers responsibility within EU?
2014-10-12T22:59:09 < zyp> possibly, I'm not sure
2014-10-12T22:59:14 < varesa> like if I order something from US then it's the import customs
2014-10-12T22:59:18 < zyp> I live in Norway, so I'm outside EU myself
2014-10-12T22:59:35 < zyp> so for me, everything is taxed at import
2014-10-12T23:00:04 < varesa> okay
2014-10-12T23:00:32 < varesa> I think the invoice even might have had something like VAT 0%
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2014-10-12T23:01:44 < varesa> Anyway I realized that like a week later and didn't bother complaining :)
2014-10-12T23:03:08 < Thorn> I didn't know dongs worked on android http://developer.android.com/reference/android/os/UserManager.html#isUserAGoat()
2014-10-12T23:03:39 < scrts> he runs function when he enters: whoami
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2014-10-13T00:14:26 < gxti> which isn't so bad because it's already slow anyway so only useful for a final build
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2014-10-13T01:38:02 < karlp> is i2c serious about this "clocking out 9 cycles to try and unwedge things" ?
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2014-10-13T01:43:50 < zyp> well
2014-10-13T01:44:44 < zyp> I don't know what the spec says, but I'd expect it to state that a device should always release the bus when it sees a stop condition, and probably a start condition as well
2014-10-13T01:45:45 < karlp> just having a bit of a hard time reading an i2c device, tested the sensor I dug out of the box on a teensy w/arduino code, was like 5 minutes, getting the same readings on stm32 is proving.... not as straightforward as I'd expected
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2014-10-13T01:46:35 < karlp> even just copying what's allegedly working example code for f1, to run on an f1 :)
2014-10-13T01:47:03 < karlp> hrm, I wonder if the arduino has pullups automatically or something
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2014-10-13T02:02:47 < jadew> karlp, do you have a scope?
2014-10-13T02:03:05 < jadew> if yes, post a screenshot of what’s going on
2014-10-13T02:03:47 < karlp> no, only an LA,
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2014-10-13T02:03:58 < jadew> which LA?
2014-10-13T02:04:18 < jadew> (I’m wondering if you could export to something I can use)
2014-10-13T02:04:23 < karlp> I added a send stop before I tried sending a command, and now it at least gets to the "waiting for address to transfer" bit
2014-10-13T02:04:40 < karlp> it's a logic16 clone, but it's not capturing anything useful really.
2014-10-13T02:04:50 < jadew> do you have pullups?
2014-10-13T02:04:59 < zyp> karlp, get me a screenshot of the capture
2014-10-13T02:05:42 < jadew> karlp, also, the GPIO should be in open drain mode
2014-10-13T02:06:08 < jadew> if it’s not, at some point the device will try to drive the line low, while your MCU will try to drive it high (in plain output mode)
2014-10-13T02:06:34 < zyp> been there, done that
2014-10-13T02:06:48 < jadew> same here :)
2014-10-13T02:06:49 < karlp> http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/i2c_l16_1.png + http://paste.fedoraproject.org/141319/55171141/
2014-10-13T02:07:00 < karlp> gdb says it's blocking at line 237
2014-10-13T02:07:10 < zyp> oh
2014-10-13T02:07:16 < zyp> so just a start and a stop
2014-10-13T02:07:19 < zyp> strange :)
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2014-10-13T02:07:30 < jadew> karlp, are you waiting for the transfer to finish?
2014-10-13T02:09:12 < karlp> bleh, working straight away after replugging
2014-10-13T02:09:14 < karlp> wtf.
2014-10-13T02:09:21 < karlp> got rid of those send_stops
2014-10-13T02:09:38 < karlp> ok, but then pressing reset on the board locks it up again,
2014-10-13T02:10:29 < zyp> got a trace of that?
2014-10-13T02:10:46 < karlp> no, stupid logic16 keeps stopping all the time
2014-10-13T02:10:51 < zyp> heh
2014-10-13T02:10:52 < karlp> and I forgot to get a trace while it worked :)
2014-10-13T02:11:24 < zyp> hmm, I suspect you might have the timing down wrong
2014-10-13T02:11:48 < karlp> hrm, I have one working thing captured in the logic16 actually, and it just looks "normal"
2014-10-13T02:12:33 < zyp> it does have the stop at the end?
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2014-10-13T02:13:22 < karlp> are those the red squares in logic?
2014-10-13T02:14:18 < jadew> karlp, looks like it
2014-10-13T02:14:32 < zyp> yes
2014-10-13T02:14:57 < karlp> yeah, there's a stop at the end of the data returned
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2014-10-13T02:15:20 < jadew> screenshot?
2014-10-13T02:15:58 < zyp> uh, the timing in sht21_read2 looks pretty wrong
2014-10-13T02:17:09 < zyp> I mean, you're not waiting between the two reads
2014-10-13T02:17:58 < jadew> not only that
2014-10-13T02:18:08 < jadew> but he’s sending the stop condition before reading the DR
2014-10-13T02:18:09 < karlp> well, when it's not working, it never gets there.
2014-10-13T02:18:22 < karlp> for 2 byte replies, that's a "special case" according to st
2014-10-13T02:18:49 < zyp> karlp, unless the issue is that the first transactions leaves it in a faulty state for the next, due to bad timing/whatever
2014-10-13T02:18:58 < karlp> http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/i2c_good__write_1.png and http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/i2c_good_reply_1.png
2014-10-13T02:18:59 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-13T02:19:09 < karlp> well, whe it was workign, it kept running and reading temp continuously
2014-10-13T02:19:24 < jadew> karlp, you don’t have a stop condition there
2014-10-13T02:19:27 < karlp> so yeah, the device gets into some state, but I think it's an init thing, not a continual read thing
2014-10-13T02:19:27 < jadew> just a repeated start
2014-10-13T02:19:35 < zyp> I forgot the whole POS bit shenanigans, but I remember there were two ways to go about that stuff
2014-10-13T02:19:53 < karlp> the device holds the line until it is ready with the data, write_1 and reply_1 are the same transaction.
2014-10-13T02:20:06 < jadew> oh, you’re right
2014-10-13T02:20:10 < jadew> didn’t notice the clock is stretched
2014-10-13T02:20:13 < karlp> there's an i2c_good_overview.png showing the timing if you prefer
2014-10-13T02:21:15 < zyp> this was f1, you say?
2014-10-13T02:21:28 < jadew> it’s funny how there are 112 addresses and only 0x80 seems to be used by most devices :)
2014-10-13T02:22:07 < karlp> this is f1, yeah.
2014-10-13T02:25:54 < zyp> what's the contents of the registers when you get stuck?
2014-10-13T02:26:33 < karlp> it's always the busy bit in SR2, when it's stuck trying to send the start condition
2014-10-13T02:26:53 < zyp> ah, so it detects bus contention
2014-10-13T02:27:07 < karlp> yeah, I just don't know the right way of autoclearing that on startup.
2014-10-13T02:27:31 < karlp> and I'm finding code on the web that goes, "yeah, this happens, you go back to gpio mode, and manually clcok out 9 clocks on scl"
2014-10-13T02:27:44 < karlp> which sounds batshit crazy but it's even in the chromebook code
2014-10-13T02:27:57 < jadew> it does sound wrong
2014-10-13T02:28:39 < zyp> sounds a bit like 2.13.7 in errata sheet
2014-10-13T02:28:40 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/errata_sheet/CD00190234.pdf
2014-10-13T02:29:17 < zyp> well, the condition doesn't match, but the solution kinda is a subset of the common one
2014-10-13T02:30:44 < zyp> I didn't do anything of the sort when I still did i2c on f1 though
2014-10-13T02:30:57 < karlp> heh, my errata sheet is an dolder version, didn't have 2.13.7 :)
2014-10-13T02:31:07 < zyp> that's why I linked to the newest
2014-10-13T02:31:25 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-13T02:32:13 < karlp> ok, well I'll try this in the bootup code, see what happens.
2014-10-13T02:33:10 < zyp> I wonder if my i2c code still builds, I think I turned it off due to some api conflicts once
2014-10-13T02:33:27 < zyp> could be interesting to test it for comparison
2014-10-13T02:36:21 < jadew> does ST usually releases new chip revisions that fix the bugs?
2014-10-13T02:38:34 < zyp> rarely
2014-10-13T02:39:21 < zyp> they do new chip revisions once in a while, but usually they keep most of the bugs present in last revision
2014-10-13T02:39:25 < jadew> would have been a possible explanation on why you’re not getting the issue
2014-10-13T02:39:39 < jadew> ah, I see
2014-10-13T02:39:44 < zyp> I haven't touched f1 in years
2014-10-13T02:39:59 < karlp> now it's stuck after sending the start bit.
2014-10-13T02:39:59 < karlp> weird.
2014-10-13T02:40:16 < karlp> yeah, only using f1 because the existing libopencm3 i2c examples were for f1,
2014-10-13T02:40:25 < karlp> thought it would be easiest to use that first :)
2014-10-13T02:40:55 < zyp> I haven't touched i2c in years either :)
2014-10-13T02:41:03 < jadew> it’s not that hard to do it by handling the registers yourself
2014-10-13T02:41:22 < jadew> it’s usually easier to debug, because you can pinpoint the source of the problem quicker
2014-10-13T02:41:31 < zyp> true, although the timing requirements of i2c makes that a bit of a pain
2014-10-13T02:41:47 < zyp> I found it best to use an interrupt driven state machine for i2c
2014-10-13T02:42:14 < jadew> zyp, what timing requirements are you refering to?
2014-10-13T02:42:32 < karlp> the i2c_ccr and i2c trise registers (whcih are more batshit insanity from ST)
2014-10-13T02:42:43 < zyp> 2.13.1 in errata sheet :)
2014-10-13T02:43:36 < zyp> in other words, what I'm doing matches «workaround 2»
2014-10-13T02:43:44 < jadew> the errata sheet on that chip is impressive
2014-10-13T02:43:55 < jadew> almost like a second reference manual :)
2014-10-13T02:44:53 < karlp> damnit,
2014-10-13T02:45:12 < karlp> maybe I should just ignore the f1, try one of the things on the f4 board instead, or the l1
2014-10-13T02:45:30 < zyp> yeah, that might keep you more sane :)
2014-10-13T02:45:45 < karlp> well, too late for that now.
2014-10-13T02:45:46 < jadew> I can tell you that I2C is much easier on the F4 than what you’re going through
2014-10-13T02:45:58 < jadew> F4 has an equally big errata sheet tho
2014-10-13T02:46:06 < jadew> so you might want to read that first before switching
2014-10-13T02:46:09 < zyp> well, it's the same peripheral
2014-10-13T02:46:11 < karlp> this was meant to be a quick saturday afternoon knockup and imrpove the docs
2014-10-13T02:46:43 < jadew> zyp, I’m not sure anymore, I learned yesterday that they’re using crappier a USART peripheral on F4 than on F1/3
2014-10-13T02:47:06 < zyp> than F1?
2014-10-13T02:47:09 < jadew> F0
2014-10-13T02:47:27 < zyp> well, both F0 and F3 is newer than F4, F1 is older :p
2014-10-13T02:47:42 < jadew> got it
2014-10-13T02:48:07 < zyp> F1 has the older USART just like F4, F3 has the newer
2014-10-13T02:48:13 < karlp> read your scrollback, I'd tried telling you that earlier jadew :)
2014-10-13T02:48:24 < jadew> karlp, sorry, must have missed it :)
2014-10-13T02:48:36 < karlp> it's not crap, jsut that there's more goodies on the new usarts
2014-10-13T02:48:43 < zyp> true
2014-10-13T02:49:03 < zyp> and most of it is irrelevant unless you have a particular application that utilizes it
2014-10-13T02:49:22 < zyp> like the RS485 driver enable
2014-10-13T02:49:37 < karlp> so... seeing as I don't use i2c myself, do I just ignore this, and pretend I never tried :)
2014-10-13T02:49:56 < zyp> at least that's the only extra feature I've cared about so far :)
2014-10-13T02:50:04 < jadew> it doesn’t have LSB & MSB (which matters in many places) and like all the other peripherals, you can’t tell when a transfer is trully over after a DMA driven transfer
2014-10-13T02:50:26 < karlp> yeah, I'm still not convinced you were doing that right,
2014-10-13T02:50:39 < jadew> there are also some hardware bugs that render it useless in some situations
2014-10-13T02:50:48 < jadew> karlp, the DMA thing?
2014-10-13T02:50:50 < karlp> useless?
2014-10-13T02:51:06 < jadew> karlp, with hardware handshaking, it craps out and asserts RTS sometimes
2014-10-13T02:51:14 < jadew> basically throwing away all the incomming data
2014-10-13T02:52:05 < jadew> that makes it "the wrong chip" for a ton of applicattions
2014-10-13T02:52:27 < zyp> the solution to the DMA thing should be easy
2014-10-13T02:53:04 < jadew> zyp, it’s not, the only thing you can do is clear TC if TXE is not set and then wait for TC
2014-10-13T02:53:12 < jadew> but you have to have 2 bytes in the DMA buffer
2014-10-13T02:53:17 < jadew> at least 2
2014-10-13T02:53:37 < jadew> however, this stops working for smart card mode, where you have guard time
2014-10-13T02:53:49 < dongs> sup pros
2014-10-13T02:54:20 < zyp> as far as I interpret the manual, TC should only be set once a transfer finish when no new transfer is queued
2014-10-13T02:54:42 < zyp> and with DMA a new transfer would always be queued until you've done
2014-10-13T02:54:45 < jadew> zyp, it’s set after each byte transferred
2014-10-13T02:54:49 < jadew> and only cleared by software
2014-10-13T02:55:05 < karlp> wat?
2014-10-13T02:55:05 < zyp> so as long as TC is cleared before you start the DMA transfer, it should remain cleared until all bytes are done
2014-10-13T02:55:34 < zyp> «This bit is set by hardware if the transmission of a frame containing data is complete and if TXE is set.»
2014-10-13T02:56:03 < zyp> DMA will schedule a new frame before the previous completes, and thus clears TXE before TC can get set
2014-10-13T02:56:26 < jadew> zyp, that’s what I assumed and then I noticed I’m stopping the peripheral before all the data gets shifted out
2014-10-13T02:56:51 < jadew> because I was waiting for TC and TC was set
2014-10-13T02:57:05 < jadew> I believe it gets set right after the first byte
2014-10-13T02:57:17 < gxti> maybe write the first byte directly then use DMA for the rest?
2014-10-13T02:57:23 < jadew> meaning that when the DMA is over, the status of TC is irrelevant
2014-10-13T02:57:34 < zyp> gxti, would be last if anything
2014-10-13T02:57:36 < jadew> gxti, it would still have the same effect
2014-10-13T02:57:47 < jadew> but yeah, good idea on the last byte
2014-10-13T02:58:08 < jadew> that’s actually an awesome idea
2014-10-13T02:58:10 < gxti> i mean you can interrupt on transfer complete, clear TC, then interrupt on TC. but then you're at the mercy of interrupt latency.
2014-10-13T02:58:19 < zyp> jadew, it's the obvious idea
2014-10-13T02:58:19 < gxti> first one being DMA tc obv
2014-10-13T02:58:27 < zyp> but you shouldn't have to do that
2014-10-13T02:58:41 < gxti> but it sounds more like DMA is triggering once TXE is already happening, which is suboptimal for more than one reason
2014-10-13T02:59:04 < jadew> zyp, didn’t came to me, I solved it by checking TXE and clearing TC if it was not set (meaning that there’s something else on the way)
2014-10-13T02:59:13 < zyp> TC should not be set before the DMA completes, unless you're doing something weird with DMA causing it to not schedule new transfers fast enough
2014-10-13T02:59:27 < gxti> i do wish TC would clear itself
2014-10-13T02:59:34 < gxti> DMA or not
2014-10-13T02:59:39 < jadew> zyp, nothing weird
2014-10-13T02:59:48 < jadew> gxti, me as well
2014-10-13T02:59:58 < zyp> hmm, I'm kinda interested in doing a test of this now, but I have no hardware available right now
2014-10-13T03:00:13 < zyp> would anybody care to run a test if I write it? :p
2014-10-13T03:00:39 < jadew> sure
2014-10-13T03:01:01 < karlp> (I just followed st's app note for rs485, and dma'ing buffers to the uart gives me a single tc int like I expect...)
2014-10-13T03:02:30 < jadew> zyp, this issue seems to be present on most peripherals that don’t indicate if the shfit buffer is empty
2014-10-13T03:02:49 < jadew> I think SPI might have something for that but I don’t remember right now
2014-10-13T03:03:26 < dongs> is this the same discussion again
2014-10-13T03:03:35 < dongs> tc flag is set when dma is "done" but hardware is still clocking shit out.
2014-10-13T03:03:40 < dongs> didnt we determine this like long tiem ago
2014-10-13T03:03:58 < jadew> zyp, is not convinced
2014-10-13T03:04:04 < jadew> drop the comma
2014-10-13T03:05:15 < jadew> you know... the last byte thing might not work either
2014-10-13T03:05:22 < jadew> because you have to clear TC before sending the last one
2014-10-13T03:05:32 < jadew> so you might get the TC from the one that didn’t finish yet
2014-10-13T03:05:45 < jadew> so before the last byte even gets to go into the shift register
2014-10-13T03:06:17 < zyp> heh, if that were true, it's not even a DMA issue
2014-10-13T03:07:55 < zyp> jadew, say, what hardware should I write the test for?
2014-10-13T03:09:29 < jadew> F407, the discovery board
2014-10-13T03:10:40 < zyp> okay
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2014-10-13T03:20:18 < jadew> I may have to go afk for bit if my kid wakes up, he might wake up to eat then go back to sleep so 20 minutes tops
2014-10-13T03:22:16 < zyp> np
2014-10-13T03:28:46 < zyp> jadew, ok, try flashing this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/cb3fI/demo.elf
2014-10-13T03:28:52 < zyp> then monitor PA1, PA2 and PA3
2014-10-13T03:29:04 < jadew> k
2014-10-13T03:29:26 < zyp> this is the simple case without DMA
2014-10-13T03:30:04 < zyp> although DMA shouldn't change anything
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2014-10-13T03:32:52 < jadew> zyp, can you provide me with a hex file please?
2014-10-13T03:32:56 < jadew> or bin?
2014-10-13T03:35:46 < zyp> doesn't openocd take elf directly nowadays?
2014-10-13T03:36:11 < jadew> I don’t know, I’m using openocd directly from VS and ST-Link with stand alone stuff
2014-10-13T03:36:36 < jadew> I can extract the binary myself, but I was worried the elf might contain other information as well
2014-10-13T03:38:26 < zyp> arm-none-eabi-objcopy -O binary demo.elf demo.bin
2014-10-13T03:38:36 < zyp> gives a proper binary
2014-10-13T03:38:44 < jadew> cool, did that already
2014-10-13T03:39:56 < jadew> there’s no UART data?
2014-10-13T03:40:14 < zyp> PA2 is USART2_TX
2014-10-13T03:40:38 < jadew> I’m not getting any output
2014-10-13T03:41:42 < zyp> oh, my bad, I have the TXE flag inverted :)
2014-10-13T03:43:17 < zyp> do you read both PA1 and PA3 high?
2014-10-13T03:43:26 < jadew> all 3 are high
2014-10-13T03:43:32 < zyp> ok, good
2014-10-13T03:44:03 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/eRpg9/demo.elf <- try this
2014-10-13T03:44:12 < zyp> fixed the flags
2014-10-13T03:44:56 < jadew> getting stuff
2014-10-13T03:45:16 < jadew> very wiggly
2014-10-13T03:45:42 < jadew> I’ll give you a screenshot in a sec
2014-10-13T03:46:42 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/tc/test1.png
2014-10-13T03:47:31 < jadew> PA3 = while !TC ?
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2014-10-13T03:47:42 < zyp> yep
2014-10-13T03:47:43 < jadew> PA1 = while !TXE?
2014-10-13T03:47:49 < zyp> yep
2014-10-13T03:47:55 < zyp> more or less
2014-10-13T03:48:28 < zyp> PA1 deasserts when the last byte is written into the buffer, it then enters a loop waiting for TC
2014-10-13T03:48:57 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/xJxMJ
2014-10-13T03:49:09 < zyp> I'm typing up the DMA variant right now
2014-10-13T03:49:56 < jadew> cool, I think I’m gonna write something that gets screenshots from my scope and puts them online
2014-10-13T03:50:09 < jadew> the stick version gets old fast
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2014-10-13T03:55:34 < dirty_d> adc clock on, adv vreg on, gets stuck calibrating
2014-10-13T03:55:48 < dirty_d> any ideas?
2014-10-13T03:59:06 < zyp> jadew, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/RR54Q/demo.elf <- DMA version
2014-10-13T03:59:17 < zyp> should show exact same behavior
2014-10-13T04:00:30 < zyp> if I managed to get all the DMA stuff right on first attempt ;)
2014-10-13T04:01:01 < zyp> oh, no
2014-10-13T04:01:08 < zyp> I forgot to actually set the enable bit :D
2014-10-13T04:01:36 < jadew> yeah, I figured it looks a bit “wronger” than it should :P
2014-10-13T04:02:41 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/mETXa/demo.elf <- better
2014-10-13T04:03:31 < jadew> yeah, it’s pretty much the same
2014-10-13T04:03:38 < zyp> good
2014-10-13T04:04:22 < jadew> so you’re simply waiting for TC after the DMA transfer?
2014-10-13T04:04:22 < zyp> if PA3 doesn't deassert until the last byte is done, that proves my claim that TC actually does work like it should
2014-10-13T04:04:48 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/GEZch <- here's the entire code
2014-10-13T04:06:04 < zyp> I'm just making sure that TC is cleared before I start the DMA transfer and then waiting for it after DMA finishes, yes
2014-10-13T04:06:18 < jadew> zyp, I’ve been doing the same thing
2014-10-13T04:06:53 < jadew> http://pastebin.com/2cReE9AN
2014-10-13T04:08:42 < zyp> uh, that's a weird order to do stuff in
2014-10-13T04:08:46 < jadew> are you enabling dma signaling in USART2.enable()?
2014-10-13T04:08:58 < zyp> no, that's the CR3 line right before it
2014-10-13T04:09:05 < zyp> enable() only touches CR1
2014-10-13T04:09:10 < jadew> I see
2014-10-13T04:09:24 < jadew> so you’re enabling signaling before enabling the DMA stream
2014-10-13T04:09:33 < zyp> yes, that's the natural way to do it
2014-10-13T04:09:43 < jadew> why?
2014-10-13T04:10:19 < dirty_d> zyp, how'd the quadcopter come out?
2014-10-13T04:10:47 < zyp> dirty_d, haven't done much on it lately
2014-10-13T04:10:54 < jadew> I did notice that several stuff are order sensitive
2014-10-13T04:11:29 < jadew> but it made senes to me to enable the stream first and then start signaling, when I’m sure previous transfers are done
2014-10-13T04:11:37 < jadew> of course, enabling DMA after that wouldn’t hurt
2014-10-13T04:11:55 < dirty_d> yea i forgot about mine for about a year, works now though.
2014-10-13T04:12:01 < zyp> uh, when you're using DMA to output stuff, it feels natural to me to configure the peripheral properly first, then schedule the transfer
2014-10-13T04:12:28 < jadew> but if you take a look at the code, I’m trying to minimize the time between the last sent byte and the DMA transfer
2014-10-13T04:12:31 < zyp> although either should work
2014-10-13T04:12:44 < jadew> while at the same time, clear TC such that it’s cleared before the DMA transfer
2014-10-13T04:12:50 < zyp> what do you mean «last sent byte»?
2014-10-13T04:13:15 < jadew> well, I may send stuff without using DMA
2014-10-13T04:13:22 < jadew> and then decide I want to send it via DMA
2014-10-13T04:13:37 < jadew> (to send more)
2014-10-13T04:13:52 < zyp> that gives you a race condition, DMA or not
2014-10-13T04:15:32 < jadew> yeah, I suppose it does
2014-10-13T04:15:54 < zyp> if there is a previous transfer, it might trigger TC after you've cleared it, but before DMA has managed to transfer a byte, which would otherwise prevent TC from being set
2014-10-13T04:16:00 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-13T04:16:33 < jadew> so I guess the only way of doing it to wait for TC after each transfer
2014-10-13T04:16:49 < jadew> and basically introudce a delay between the last transfer and the next one
2014-10-13T04:16:56 < zyp> you could in theory clear TC after starting DMA and waiting long enough to ensure that one write has been done, as long as you are sure that not all writes have been done yet
2014-10-13T04:17:32 < jadew> yeah, but I don’t like that option much
2014-10-13T04:17:50 < zyp> or even do the first write directly, then clear TC, then immediately starting DMA
2014-10-13T04:18:02 < jadew> I’m still not sure if it’s the order or if it’s something in the DMA configuration like you said
2014-10-13T04:18:05 < zyp> well, no
2014-10-13T04:18:41 < jadew> yeah, I suppose the first write thing would work in this context
2014-10-13T04:19:07 < zyp> you kinda have a mix of wanting to start stuff before the previous operation completed and wanting to wait for everything to complete
2014-10-13T04:19:21 < zyp> which sounds a bit silly :p
2014-10-13T04:19:43 < jadew> hehe, yeah, the problem is that with DMA, I had to wait
2014-10-13T04:19:50 < jadew> *to wait _this way_
2014-10-13T04:20:08 < gxti> hurry up and wait
2014-10-13T04:20:08 < jadew> because the state of the TC was unreliable
2014-10-13T04:20:12 < zyp> how so? DMA is no different from a cpu loop waiting for TXE
2014-10-13T04:20:35 < jadew> zyp, well, in my case TC was getting asserted before all the data got shifted out
2014-10-13T04:20:55 < jadew> which is pretty much the reason for most of the code in there :)
2014-10-13T04:21:25 < jadew> I’ll see if I can figure out why your version works as intended and mine doesn’t, it’s good to know that it can work properly
2014-10-13T04:22:43 < zyp> as we just proved, TC doesn't get set between bytes that are transferred back to back, neither by a plain loop nor DMA
2014-10-13T04:23:08 < zyp> so in your case, what must happen is that TC somehow is set before you start the DMA transfer
2014-10-13T04:24:05 < jadew> well, as you can see I am clearing it and the tests I’ve done were with out any preceeding transfers (that could set TC afterwards)
2014-10-13T04:24:33 < jadew> thanks for providing the demo code, it helps a lot to know that it’s meant to work :)
2014-10-13T04:25:01 < zyp> do you have any other DMA transfers going on at the same time?
2014-10-13T04:25:09 < jadew> nope
2014-10-13T04:25:29 < jadew> I’m keeping everything focused on one task
2014-10-13T04:25:48 < jadew> so no weird stuff going on in the background
2014-10-13T04:26:32 < zyp> if you want a buildable copy of my code, I can push this as a branch to the demo repo
2014-10-13T04:26:51 < jadew> no, it’s fine
2014-10-13T04:27:02 < jadew> it has all I need to know, thank you
2014-10-13T04:28:34 < jadew> DMAStream stream = DMAStream(1, 3, 4, (uint32_t)&USART3->DR, DMA_DIR_M2P); should have been DMAStream stream(1, 3, 4, (uint32_t)&USART3->DR, DMA_DIR_M2P);
2014-10-13T04:28:40 < jadew> don’t know what happened there :)
2014-10-13T04:28:50 < dongs> is DMAStream some shit you wrote
2014-10-13T04:28:52 < jadew> same result anyway
2014-10-13T04:28:54 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-13T04:29:06 < zyp> anyway, there's no reason to keep changing the DMAT flag
2014-10-13T04:30:54 < jadew> zyp, I didn’t want the DMA to get any kind of singals when it shouldn’t have, figured it’s safer that way (in case of future DMA configuration changes)
2014-10-13T04:31:09 < zyp> on other chips you might want to do it if you need to free up a dma stream so other peripherals can use it, but F4 has proper channel selection so it doesn't matter
2014-10-13T04:32:08 < zyp> by the way, what's up with the HAS_INPUT stuff?
2014-10-13T04:32:26 < jadew> on any key, stop :P
2014-10-13T04:32:44 < zyp> for what purpose?
2014-10-13T04:32:53 < jadew> so you can interrupt the transfer
2014-10-13T04:33:06 < zyp> yes, but for what purpose?
2014-10-13T04:33:21 < zyp> just testing?
2014-10-13T04:33:31 < jadew> say... if you set a baudrate of 1 bps and you’re sending 1000 kbytes
2014-10-13T04:33:46 < jadew> zyp, it’s for a device made for testing stuff
2014-10-13T04:34:25 < jadew> so if the transfer takes longer than you expect or if you change your mind, you can easily interrupt it
2014-10-13T04:34:48 < zyp> right, so lost data is not an issue
2014-10-13T04:34:52 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-13T04:35:04 < zyp> you're essentially throwing away the whole operation
2014-10-13T04:35:11 < jadew> precisely
2014-10-13T04:36:51 < zyp> I'd rather write it as while(stream.running()) { if(HAS_INPUT) { stream.disable(); break; }} to indicate it's an exceptional condition and not a normal code path though
2014-10-13T04:37:33 < jadew> good idea, I like it
2014-10-13T04:38:23 < jadew> I do it like that most of the times, in this particular case I guess I was too worried about all other crap to care much about meaning :)
2014-10-13T04:39:12 < jadew> might also execute faster
2014-10-13T04:41:24 < zyp> the only real difference in generated code is that you don't check stream.running() after it already returned false once
2014-10-13T04:41:36 < zyp> and that's not many cycles saved :p
2014-10-13T04:42:09 < dongs> http://www.qq.co.za/chatterms.aspx wow
2014-10-13T04:43:58 < jadew> zyp, I know, but it never hurts to free a few clock cycles :)
2014-10-13T04:44:44 < jadew> dongs, a few weeks ago I learned about 10:4 or something like that :P
2014-10-13T04:45:15 < jadew> apparently ham operators used it instead of “got it”
2014-10-13T04:45:31 < jadew> makes little sense tho, because it ten four seems longer than got it
2014-10-13T04:45:47 < jadew> s/it//
2014-10-13T04:46:36 < englishman> dongs: nonworknig link?
2014-10-13T04:46:59 < jadew> zyp, I’ll let you know what I find out about the TC issue
2014-10-13T04:47:04 < jadew> thanks again
2014-10-13T04:48:09 < zyp> no problem, I'm just happy being right :p
2014-10-13T04:49:06 < jadew> heh, I’m happy being wrong
2014-10-13T04:49:09 < dongs> englishman: huh, works for me
2014-10-13T04:49:12 < dongs> maybe africa blocked you
2014-10-13T04:49:23 < dongs> its got tons of shit i never heard in all my years on irc
2014-10-13T04:49:34 < englishman> Bad Request (Invalid Hostname)
2014-10-13T04:49:41 < englishman> maybe blocked by google dns
2014-10-13T04:49:42 < jadew> dongs, same here
2014-10-13T04:49:46 < jadew> you can use them to confuse people
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2014-10-13T04:50:18 < englishman> same result in tor :|
2014-10-13T04:50:36 < jadew> why would you use TOR?
2014-10-13T04:50:48 < englishman> to see if stuff works from other countries without dicking
2014-10-13T04:50:52 < jadew> are you not affraid that you’ll get flagged for crap you didn’t do?
2014-10-13T04:51:04 < jadew> use a proxy
2014-10-13T04:51:14 < englishman> its free
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2014-10-13T05:00:01 < dirty_d> jadew, 2 stop bits worked
2014-10-13T05:00:18 < jadew> dirty_d, cool :)
2014-10-13T05:01:02 < dirty_d> now i cant get the adc to turn on
2014-10-13T05:01:11 < jadew> heh
2014-10-13T05:02:06 < dirty_d> wont calibrate or enable
2014-10-13T05:03:26 < dirty_d> turned the clock on, and voltage regulator on and waited 10us like it said, but then i cant enable it or calibrate it.
2014-10-13T05:03:50 < dirty_d> the bits that are supposed to clear never do
2014-10-13T05:05:08 < jadew> what chip was that?
2014-10-13T05:08:48 < jadew> zyp, I can’t get it to fail anymore lol
2014-10-13T05:11:58 < dirty_d> f303
2014-10-13T05:12:18 < jadew> I only used the F4, sorry
2014-10-13T05:13:32 < dirty_d> when is the f7 supposed to be available?
2014-10-13T05:15:11 < zyp> «soon»
2014-10-13T05:15:49 < zyp> is there announced a discovery board yet?
2014-10-13T05:16:17 < zyp> I'd expect the discovery board to become available first, and then the chips themselves shortly after
2014-10-13T05:16:32 < zyp> following the pattern of other families
2014-10-13T05:16:39 < dirty_d> i didnt see one
2014-10-13T05:17:35 < dirty_d> i think i remember getting a big static shock touching my board like a year ago, maybe i just broke the adc
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2014-10-13T06:49:36 < dongs> R2COM: did you see the scope im buying
2014-10-13T06:49:42 < dongs> < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm//311124399872? ooo
2014-10-13T06:53:04 < dirty_d> holy bejesus
2014-10-13T06:54:54 < dongs> yes
2014-10-13T06:54:59 < dongs> for debugging arduino
2014-10-13T06:56:17 < dongs> http://www.newark.com/tektronix/mdo4104b-6/oscilloscope-bench-1ghz-5gsps/dp/06X3506
2014-10-13T07:00:24 < dongs> nope i just blink leds from arduino
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2014-10-13T07:01:56 < dirty_d> lol
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2014-10-13T07:42:38 < dongs> not much
2014-10-13T07:42:40 < dongs> bored
2014-10-13T07:43:24 < jadew> dongs, are you paying for that from your own pocket?
2014-10-13T07:43:54 < dongs> yeah?
2014-10-13T07:44:05 < jadew> ouch
2014-10-13T07:45:20 < dongs> i could open a dickstarter, buy dongs a new scope
2014-10-13T07:45:40 < jadew> duino
2014-10-13T07:46:24 < jadew> duino = funds
2014-10-13T07:49:24 < dongs> that is true
2014-10-13T07:49:42 < dongs> i bet if your shit had arduino headers on it
2014-10-13T07:49:47 < dongs> your dickstarter would have been funded already
2014-10-13T07:49:49 < dongs> :)
2014-10-13T07:50:21 < jadew> heh, probably
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2014-10-13T08:02:33 < dongs> i have hardware raid6 running win2008 server.
2014-10-13T08:05:12 < dirty_d> anyone see anything wrong, gets stuck at line 30 http://codepad.org/UbBg0JKz
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2014-10-13T08:19:16 < dongs> cant afford 2012 + dont like it
2014-10-13T08:30:18 < dongs> im dwonlading arduino.zip
2014-10-13T08:30:45 < emeb_mac> super pro IDE
2014-10-13T08:30:52 < dongs> ya :(
2014-10-13T08:30:56 < emeb_mac> all the cool kids are using it
2014-10-13T08:31:08 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/macetech/rgb-led-shades i got my earlybird of this
2014-10-13T08:31:16 < dongs> and of course i dont have tarduino bootloader
2014-10-13T08:31:18 < dongs> or anything
2014-10-13T08:31:19 < dongs> lorf
2014-10-13T08:31:41 < jadew> that looks useful
2014-10-13T08:31:45 < emeb_mac> daft punk is playing at your house tonight
2014-10-13T08:32:49 < dongs> of course you can
2014-10-13T08:32:52 < dongs> its got holes..
2014-10-13T08:33:26 < englishman> amazing innovation
2014-10-13T08:34:00 < englishman> of course its arduino lolz
2014-10-13T08:34:04 < emeb_mac> R2COM: don't forget "Maker"
2014-10-13T08:34:09 < englishman> can copypaste ws2812b codez
2014-10-13T08:34:19 < dongs> i need tarduwii bootloader tho
2014-10-13T08:34:59 < PaulFertser> Come on, I think it's great more hardware around is becoming more open, and that the word "hackable" is becoming more and more positive among the general public.
2014-10-13T08:35:20 < englishman> this is open hardware?
2014-10-13T08:35:28 < englishman> where are the cloning links
2014-10-13T08:35:56 < dongs> what tarduino bootloader do i use
2014-10-13T08:35:58 < dongs> optiboot?
2014-10-13T08:36:01 < dongs> theres liek 20 of htem
2014-10-13T08:36:10 < englishman> use regular tarduino shit
2014-10-13T08:36:14 < dongs> like hwat?
2014-10-13T08:36:18 < dongs> what IS the regular arduino shit
2014-10-13T08:36:22 < englishman> the one the ide flashes
2014-10-13T08:36:27 < dongs> oh
2014-10-13T08:36:32 < dongs> well im lokoing at like
2014-10-13T08:36:39 < dongs> arduino-1.0.6\hardware\arduino\bootloaders
2014-10-13T08:36:43 < englishman> yep
2014-10-13T08:36:44 < jadew> that’s true R2COM
2014-10-13T08:36:46 < dongs> cuz im using avr-isp mk2
2014-10-13T08:36:49 < dongs> not freetard flashing shti
2014-10-13T08:36:52 < dongs> so ide isnt gonna work
2014-10-13T08:36:56 < englishman> which board do you want to clone
2014-10-13T08:37:02 < dongs> this shith as 328p
2014-10-13T08:37:09 < englishman> promini?
2014-10-13T08:37:16 < PaulFertser> R2COM: it used to be the norm that every commodity equipment came with appropriate schematic, timing diagrams, testpoints and such. It's not the case anymore, but if the general public starts demanding that again, we all will have an easier life fixing or extending stuff.
2014-10-13T08:37:21 < englishman> with 16mhz xtal?
2014-10-13T08:37:38 < englishman> you know avrisp mk2 is supported in ide right
2014-10-13T08:37:44 < dongs> no it snot
2014-10-13T08:37:49 < dongs> its supported wiht avrDUDE
2014-10-13T08:37:52 < dongs> which needs hacked libusb drivers
2014-10-13T08:37:56 < dongs> instead of offocial atmel shti
2014-10-13T08:38:04 < englishman> oh lolz
2014-10-13T08:38:07 < PaulFertser> Also, gay wasn't a derogatory term just about 50 years before.
2014-10-13T08:38:12 < englishman> so zadig n shit
2014-10-13T08:38:49 < englishman> i dont really want testpoints on my dishwasher tho i just want a $200 dishwasher that works for 10 years
2014-10-13T08:39:09 < PaulFertser> I'm talking about public view on the issue of hardware so closed that it becomes too expensive to repurpose for anything cool.
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2014-10-13T08:39:31 < dongs> i think tis 16mhz resonator
2014-10-13T08:39:36 < englishman> electronics are cheaper than ever
2014-10-13T08:39:39 < dongs> i should know cuz i o rdered parts for it...
2014-10-13T08:39:50 < dongs> anyway shit runs at 5v so its gotta be i guess
2014-10-13T08:39:58 < PaulFertser> You take commodity shit and then "invent" some cool alternative usecase for it, requiring only a small hardware or software mod. That's the usual thing.
2014-10-13T08:40:34 < englishman> dongs: atmega\ATmegaBOOT_168_atmega328.hex
2014-10-13T08:40:49 < dongs> aha
2014-10-13T08:40:50 < dongs> ok
2014-10-13T08:40:54 < PaulFertser> Digital TVs firmware are so shitty that it's outrageously offensive. Good hardware, useless software.
2014-10-13T08:41:14 < dongs> arduino PRO
2014-10-13T08:41:22 < PaulFertser> Not being able to playback all the formats from Ethernet, wtf?
2014-10-13T08:41:23 < englishman> damn rught
2014-10-13T08:42:10 < PaulFertser> Not being able to use a random wifi stick and instead forced to buy specific "samsung" or whatever shit, wtf?
2014-10-13T08:42:24 < PaulFertser> Fuck fuck fuck the damn vendors, their shit's useless.
2014-10-13T08:43:07 < jadew> PaulFertser, expensive samsung shit
2014-10-13T08:43:10 < englishman> i dream of the day i can buy a UDOO and spend 3 weeks programming ethernet support for my raspberry pi powered tv
2014-10-13T08:47:25 < PaulFertser> Public needs to be taught "hackable hardware" is "good", that will "help" vendors realise it's time to become less of a jerks.
2014-10-13T08:48:03 < jpa-> when it comes to video, "all the formats" is pretty many
2014-10-13T08:48:53 < jpa-> similarly, pretty many different crappy wifi sticks out there
2014-10-13T08:48:56 < PaulFertser> jadew: yes, and the problem is that all the vendors are not giving a damn, and trying to get your money by software restrictions, not only samsung.
2014-10-13T08:49:57 < PaulFertser> jpa-: yep, but if the very same TV can playback, say, h.264 in mkv from a USB stick, why the hell shouldn't it be able to do the same over the network? Regarding the sticks, indeed, but if you buy the very same stick but without Samsung's USB VID/PID, it won't work too.
2014-10-13T08:50:22 < jpa-> true, they are even shittier than they should be
2014-10-13T09:00:34 < PaulFertser> I'm glad R2COM is serious and has a "job to work at" (and I admit his job is rather impressive and cool) but I'm also glad I have some time for random tinkering and stuff, and I think I have more opportunities to have fun, e.g. if R2COM gets really tired with his particular job, he won't have fun at it, and he won't have much time to have fun some other way.
2014-10-13T09:03:56 < englishman> russians do not allow "fun"
2014-10-13T09:06:49 < PaulFertser> I got an impression he's got a very USAish life attitude, and that doesn't seem to be typical for russians afaict.
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2014-10-13T09:24:52 < dongs> fuck
2014-10-13T09:24:56 < dongs> one of hte leds on the shits is dead
2014-10-13T09:25:05 < dongs> and idont have any 2812B
2014-10-13T09:25:07 < dongs> fail
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2014-10-13T09:34:57 < jadew> that would look silly
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2014-10-13T10:07:13 < madist> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v1n7Jj-SFI
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2014-10-13T10:08:42 < dongs> waht the fuck
2014-10-13T10:08:43 < dongs> idiots
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2014-10-13T10:10:14 < madist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbjMlt2kOcM
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2014-10-13T10:32:25 < jadew> madist, nice video
2014-10-13T10:32:58 < jadew> what’s the proper way of throwing an exception?
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2014-10-13T10:33:21 < madist> very carefully
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2014-10-13T10:34:14 < jadew> nvm, I just realized how to do it
2014-10-13T10:34:20 < madist> http://blogs.atlassian.com/2011/05/exceptions_are_bad/
2014-10-13T10:34:24 < jadew> I don’t want to propage exceptions anyway
2014-10-13T10:37:11 < jpa-> gcc's exception stuff on ARM is very bloated
2014-10-13T10:37:20 < jadew> that article starts with the assumption that I want to use them for control flow
2014-10-13T10:37:31 < jadew> I just want to end up in the reset handler
2014-10-13T10:37:40 < jadew> and eventually print something if the debugger is attached
2014-10-13T10:37:52 < jpa-> why not just issue software reset?
2014-10-13T10:38:08 < jadew> sorry, not the reset handler
2014-10-13T10:38:21 < jadew> the handler that deals with unknown exceptions (it’s name escapes me atm)
2014-10-13T10:38:36 < jpa-> hardfault?
2014-10-13T10:38:39 < jadew> I’m just gonna call it directly so execution is stopped
2014-10-13T10:38:40 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-13T10:38:52 < jadew> is there a better way to get there?
2014-10-13T10:39:01 < jpa-> you can execute something invalid
2014-10-13T10:39:14 < jpa-> though i usually just use a direct call to some different error reporting function
2014-10-13T10:40:59 < jadew> I suppose I could just write my own infinite loop for exceptions, in case I pause, that will give me a hint to check the debug window
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2014-10-13T12:20:57 < karlp> is/was jadew mixing up uart tc with dma tc?
2014-10-13T12:21:30 < jadew> no
2014-10-13T12:22:06 < jadew> I don’t know what it was
2014-10-13T12:22:30 < jadew> can’t replicate it anymore and the first commit with that method is already “fixed”
2014-10-13T12:35:42 < karlp> well, good then I guess :)
2014-10-13T12:36:16 < jadew> yeah, I’m rewriting a bunch of stuff now :)
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2014-10-13T12:43:23 < Laurenceb> Slashdot users are posting from federally run maximum security state of the art experimental psychiatric facilities for the criminally insane and chemically resilient. There's the snitches that didn't want the stitches who became state's psychiatric bitches. The guinea pigs and then the off balance bigs, volunteered for clinical trialsi and guys on the juice that can't come down.
2014-10-13T12:43:25 < Laurenceb> i lolled
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2014-10-13T15:40:05 < karlp> bleh, same problems with i2c and the codec on the f4 disco board. that was a fun morning
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2014-10-13T15:41:32 < zyp> my code works pretty well with the codec on the f4 disco board
2014-10-13T15:41:43 < zyp> but again, it's interrupt driven, so it's not directly comparable
2014-10-13T15:42:27 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/?h=usb_audio <- if you want to build and test it, you can find it here though
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2014-10-13T15:46:41 < dongs> eh
2014-10-13T15:46:41 < dongs> i wrote code to initalize that codec for my hdmi thing
2014-10-13T15:46:42 < dongs> it was just a few liens of stuff
2014-10-13T15:47:08 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/1xUxG332.html
2014-10-13T15:48:00 < zyp> that's not the point
2014-10-13T15:48:09 < zyp> the problem is that karlp's i2c lib isn't working
2014-10-13T15:48:33 < karlp> hrm, logic says that the address isn't writing properly, got a trace of the st demo firmware, and it shows the right address 0x94,
2014-10-13T15:49:08 < zyp> are you confusing 7-bit and 8-bit i2c addrs?
2014-10-13T15:49:23 < karlp> maybe :)
2014-10-13T15:49:30 < karlp> trying to copy st's code though,
2014-10-13T15:49:41 < dongs> #define I2C_DAC     (0x4A)
2014-10-13T15:50:09 < zyp> low bit is r/w, so some write the addr as it's sent with the lower bit masked and some shift it down one bit
2014-10-13T15:50:26 < zyp> 0x4a << 1 is 0x94
2014-10-13T15:50:30 < dongs> ya
2014-10-13T15:50:43 < zyp> I don't remember which I do in my code :p
2014-10-13T15:51:20 < zyp> ok, I also use 0x4a
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2014-10-13T15:53:10 < karlp> nope, something's gettign ignored, damnit
2014-10-13T15:53:15 < karlp> out of time for today, have to deal with builders
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2014-10-13T16:12:03 < Thorn> http://www.wftw.nl/volume4.html
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2014-10-13T19:46:51 < yan_> can anyone recommend a supported toolchain that is free for hobbyist use? (and by supported, i mean has examples in the standard periph library). Is keil free for individual use?
2014-10-13T19:47:16 < PaulFertser> yan_: gcc-arm-embedded from launchpad.
2014-10-13T19:47:31 < PaulFertser> yan_: keil demo has serious size restrictions.
2014-10-13T19:47:44 < yan_> PaulFertser: that is what i use generally, but i'm looking for something that supports project files from the ST examples
2014-10-13T19:47:52 < yan_> PaulFertser: how bad of size restrictions?
2014-10-13T19:47:55 < PaulFertser> yan_: gae supports stdperiph just fin.
2014-10-13T19:48:11 < PaulFertser> yan_: 32k probably, I dunno really, not interested in proprietary.
2014-10-13T19:48:22 < PaulFertser> Project files, meh :/
2014-10-13T19:48:40 < PaulFertser> yan_: truestudio probably? It uses a gcc toolchain.
2014-10-13T19:49:00 < yan_> PaulFertser: i've had issues getting i2c working earlier.. i started spending an evening writing a makefile that supports std periph and freertos but that's a lot of moving pieces when just debugging i2c.. i want something minial that is immediately supported by stm so that i can test stm, and then port it to gcc/manybe libopencm3
2014-10-13T19:49:03 < PaulFertser> But who really needs those project files anyway? They're trivially convertible to Make or cmake.
2014-10-13T19:49:34 < yan_> PaulFertser: they are, but it's time. i'm just trying to figure out if the i2c device is workign with minimal overhead before going back to my gcc/libopencm3/freertos project (which is mostly done)
2014-10-13T19:49:41 < PaulFertser> Hm, I can't really see what's not trivial about a makefile. Just add all the .c files to SOURCES or some such.
2014-10-13T19:49:42 < karlp> PaulFertser: he's having troubles with things are meant to be both a) simple and b) already supported by libopencm3,
2014-10-13T19:49:55 < PaulFertser> Hehe
2014-10-13T19:50:41 < PaulFertser> Yes, I've used I2C support in libopencm3 myself (for the sensors on f3 disco), worked just fine, out of the box, no hassle.
2014-10-13T19:50:52 < karlp> luck you :)
2014-10-13T19:50:58 < karlp> f3 is the one with different i2c peripheral :)
2014-10-13T19:50:58 < PaulFertser> The hassle was with USB, it needed a dummy "send" to force the packet out.
2014-10-13T19:51:22 < zyp> PaulFertser, «serious»
2014-10-13T19:51:29 < zyp> I'd say 32k is quite a lot
2014-10-13T19:51:37 < zyp> depending on the project, of course
2014-10-13T19:51:57 < PaulFertser> Yes, I should be thanking Federico Ruiz Ugalde apparently.
2014-10-13T19:54:18 < PaulFertser> zyp: I guess once you add FreeRTOS and, say, floating point for printf, the project's getting near the limit instantly. I agree 32k is a lot. Also, Keil works only with non-standard OSes, afair, so that's another hurdle to jump to use it.
2014-10-13T19:57:29 < zyp> not all projects requires freertos and floating point printf
2014-10-13T19:58:08 < PaulFertser> Indeed
2014-10-13T19:59:37 < yan_> PaulFertser: freertos can be reduced down to like 4-5k and still be useful
2014-10-13T19:59:50 < yan_> PaulFertser: that's with queues, tasks and semaphores
2014-10-13T20:00:14 < zyp> https://gitlab.brokenpipe.de/stettberger/avremu/tree/master
2014-10-13T20:00:40 < zyp> now we can run linux in latex, by using that arm emulator for avr, and then running it on this
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2014-10-13T20:04:12 < PaulFertser> Luckily, there's LuaTeX now. TeX itself is really strange, indeed.
2014-10-13T20:04:52 < bvernoux> and why not a x86 Emulator running in an avr to execute Java ;)
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2014-10-13T20:17:27 < englishman> makefile is just another project file
2014-10-13T20:18:02 < englishman> yan_: keil is awesome all pro irc EEs use it
2014-10-13T20:18:25 < englishman> and if you don't know any eastern european hackerz, you can set it to use gcc to get around the 32k linker limit
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2014-10-13T22:53:07 < karlp> right, i2c on the f4 from this morninig was indeed just using the wrong address. so that's the f4 working nicely.
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2014-10-13T23:35:24 < karlp> wooo, take that Steffanx!
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2014-10-14T00:24:02 < karlp> ok, cool, L1 disco reading the codec on the f4 disco now too.
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2014-10-14T02:16:37 < neuro_sys> yan_: I just started off right away with Attolic TrueStudio.
2014-10-14T02:17:12 < neuro_sys> Its stub code generation helps a lot too.
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2014-10-14T02:50:42 < zyp> sounds perfect
2014-10-14T02:52:34 < karlp> yeah, fcc saves teh day, always safe and ultra awesome if it has fcc stamp on it
2014-10-14T02:53:15 < karlp> just $
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2014-10-14T03:53:39 < efuentes> this might be a dumb question... but what does malloc(3) mean?
2014-10-14T03:53:48 < efuentes> I know what malloc does, but what is the meaning of the 3?
2014-10-14T03:56:14 < zyp> man page category 3
2014-10-14T03:56:43 < zyp> ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_page#Manual_sections
2014-10-14T03:56:53 < karlp> man man shows them too :)
2014-10-14T03:56:56 < efuentes> ohhhh
2014-10-14T03:57:02 < efuentes> that makes sense
2014-10-14T03:57:23 < efuentes> for the longest time I thought it referred to the number of arguments that the function took
2014-10-14T03:57:36 < efuentes> but then I saw malloc and it made me think twice
2014-10-14T03:57:57 < karlp> of course, perl gets in the way,
2014-10-14T03:58:09 < karlp> on my system "man 3 open" shows me section 3pm instead
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2014-10-14T07:18:19 < dongs> sup lunix pros
2014-10-14T07:18:29 < dongs> R2COM: digikey is expensive too
2014-10-14T07:20:26 < dongs> im sure they're filthy cheap in china, but not proudly made in USA so
2014-10-14T07:35:10 < upgrdman> could you use some common standoffs? like the brass ones used for motherboards? can probably buy them by the lb/kg for cheap.
2014-10-14T07:39:41 < upgrdman> not yet. school work has taken most of my free time
2014-10-14T07:39:56 < upgrdman> but i still plan to make a diwheel
2014-10-14T07:40:24 < upgrdman> just bought a half-decent drill press, which should help when i get cracking on that project
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2014-10-14T07:41:22 < upgrdman> my $60 harbor fright drill press developed >4mm of runout over the years. trashed it after verifying the bearings were fine and it's the frame/quill/spindle slop.
2014-10-14T07:41:39 < upgrdman> my new one is still cheap chinese, but not as bad. $130.
2014-10-14T07:41:58 < upgrdman> no noticable runout yet, but still new
2014-10-14T07:42:15 < upgrdman> http://www.sears.com/craftsman-10inch-bench-drill-press-with-laser/p-00934983000P?adCell=REC_1_0
2014-10-14T07:42:34 < upgrdman> and yes i know. and no, i can't afford a good drill press.
2014-10-14T07:44:45 < upgrdman> ya. drill press. not a mill or lathe
2014-10-14T07:44:54 < upgrdman> no room for one of those :)
2014-10-14T07:45:12 < upgrdman> one bedroom condo. no garage. i use my drill press on my kitchen counter :/
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2014-10-14T07:46:56 < upgrdman> what projects are you working on?
2014-10-14T07:48:28 < upgrdman> what kind of asics do you dev? rf?
2014-10-14T07:49:49 < upgrdman> is an asic dev'd like an FPGA? (verilog/vhdl, test benches, etc.)
2014-10-14T07:50:32 < dongs> whats r2com bloggin
2014-10-14T07:50:33 < dongs> any pics
2014-10-14T07:51:05 < dongs> R2COM: code me this real simple fpga codez, ill throw some paypal your way
2014-10-14T07:51:45 < dongs> should take you a few minutes of not killing ukrainians in arma3
2014-10-14T07:52:20 < englishman> how simple i need practice
2014-10-14T07:53:09 < dongs> simple but you neeed to know what youre doing
2014-10-14T07:53:31 < dongs> R2COM: just dumb logic, crap goes in, split it in 2, crap goes out
2014-10-14T07:54:04 < dongs> relatd to that video shit im dicking with
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2014-10-14T07:55:41 < dongs> im trying to find pics
2014-10-14T07:58:01 < dongs> input data is: http://d3i5bpxkxvwmz.cloudfront.net/resized/images/remote/http_s.eeweb.com/articles/2013/06/25/TI-News-1372189923_400_227.PNG (left side where it says Gpu). 24bits of rgb, clock, somee sync signals. format of thee data is like that (similar) http://www.vga-avr.narod.ru/vga_timing/vga_timing.gif . split just makes 2 outputs that look like the input (bonus points for doing the block on the right and turning them into lvds)
2014-10-14T07:58:40 < dongs> looks likeee altium trollin
2014-10-14T07:58:47 < dongs> my fucking ee key is fucked
2014-10-14T07:58:49 < dongs> it keeeps autorepeating
2014-10-14T07:58:50 < dongs> ffff
2014-10-14T07:59:00 < dongs> testtesttesttest
2014-10-14T07:59:05 < dongs> k mashed it enough i think its fixed
2014-10-14T08:03:55 < dongs> half of one vga into two yeah
2014-10-14T08:04:13 < dongs> incoming mspaint
2014-10-14T08:04:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CO1ficP.png
2014-10-14T08:05:43 < dongs> half the line goes to one end, another half to another, hsync gets generated for both, vsync is just samea cuz vertical lines is same.
2014-10-14T08:06:08 < dongs> i think if my output is interleaved columns then it doesnt need to buffer, or else need to buffer half a line at least
2014-10-14T08:08:24 < dongs> http://www.fpga4fun.com/HDMI.html there's some example of making hsync/vsync out of parallel rgb, it looks super simple
2014-10-14T08:08:33 < dongs> (it goes and does more shit that I dont need but)
2014-10-14T08:08:48 < dongs> just counting pixclock and toggling a signal after someee time
2014-10-14T08:08:52 < dongs> eeeeeeeeeeee
2014-10-14T08:14:40 < dongs> yeah ignore ethat
2014-10-14T08:14:52 < dongs> input is just left side (r,g,b x 24 + hsync + vsync)
2014-10-14T08:15:17 < dongs> internal output is also same - 24bit rgb + newly geeenreated hsync+vsync
2014-10-14T08:15:43 < dongs> then it could either go to that SNwhatever shit to turn into lvds or it could be done on fpga (but I read theere's some limitation with oserdes2 needing clocking + be on samea iobank and shit
2014-10-14T08:15:50 < dongs> 2560x720
2014-10-14T08:15:56 < dongs> and it gets split into 1280x720
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2014-10-14T08:20:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bVjeltq.png
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2014-10-14T08:25:59 < GargantuaSauce> http://www.wired.com/2014/10/tiny-box-can-anonymize-everything-online/
2014-10-14T08:26:06 < GargantuaSauce> why the fuck are they not using magjacks
2014-10-14T08:26:09 < dongs> i have that data
2014-10-14T08:26:10 < dongs> its custom rez
2014-10-14T08:26:30 < dongs> it doesnt have to be exact to that anyway.
2014-10-14T08:26:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/V7XaJCx.png
2014-10-14T08:26:46 < dongs> but thats what I put into EDID so the source is actually sending within those params
2014-10-14T08:27:08 < jpa-> GargantuaSauce: why should they?
2014-10-14T08:27:29 < GargantuaSauce> to cut like 3cm^2 off the board?
2014-10-14T08:27:45 < GargantuaSauce> smallness is one of their marketing points...
2014-10-14T08:28:52 < jpa-> isn't the board size already dominated by the connectors in the lengthwise direction?
2014-10-14T08:29:05 < jpa-> placing the magnetics to the size seems to actually make it smaller
2014-10-14T08:29:36 < jpa-> *side
2014-10-14T08:31:39 < GargantuaSauce> maybe i dunno. the jacks i've got are narrower and have the transformers integrated. strikes me as a weird decision
2014-10-14T08:33:00 < GargantuaSauce> like i thought this was a thing that you don't see anymore, especially in stuff that's supposed to be small
2014-10-14T08:33:02 < jpa-> if they'd wanted it even smaller, i would have put one jack in one end and another in the other end, like an inline coupler
2014-10-14T08:33:06 < GargantuaSauce> but i guess they got a good deal or something
2014-10-14T08:34:08 < GargantuaSauce> now that i see the original kickstarter goal this makes more sense, margins were going to be pretty low at that quantity i guess
2014-10-14T08:36:03 < GargantuaSauce> and gotta give them credit for not just putting an asiarf board in a box
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2014-10-14T08:40:37 < dongs> wow, vhdl is just as unreadable as I always thought.
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2014-10-14T08:40:54 < englishman> its pretty cool tho
2014-10-14T08:41:31 < GargantuaSauce> same as anything else really. legibility made or broken by style and comments
2014-10-14T08:42:15 < GargantuaSauce> (this is where i would abstain from saying "except python" if i were a better person)
2014-10-14T08:42:46 < englishman> as_long_as_all_your_variables_look_like_this_then_readability_and_reusability_are_guaranteeed_or_at_least_i_saw_a_video_about_programming_once_a_few_years_ago
2014-10-14T08:45:21 < jpa-> dongs: well written vhdl is not that bad
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2014-10-14T08:48:00 < dongs> jpa-: this is my extent of HDL knowledge http://bcas.tv/paste/results/LSJGTB53.html
2014-10-14T08:48:16 < dongs> later i added button push to make it count up or down
2014-10-14T08:48:30 < dongs> so now I know more htan a typical arduino make:R
2014-10-14T08:48:58 < jpa-> "end else begin".. got to love verilog
2014-10-14T08:49:46 < dongs> yeah thats... anoying
2014-10-14T08:50:12 < dongs> booting my VM with ISE, 1 sec
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2014-10-14T08:50:37 < jpa-> oh ISE.. crap
2014-10-14T08:50:42 < dongs> theres no reset
2014-10-14T08:51:59 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/noZd8x11.html < complete fail lol
2014-10-14T08:52:33 < dongs> i had taht reset shit in, but it made it not work at all
2014-10-14T08:55:52 < dongs> (i haev no idea what im doing)
2014-10-14T08:56:25 < dongs> i copypasted the or sys_rst from somewehre, progbably whty it didnt work :)
2014-10-14T09:04:49 < kakeman_> wat you think about intel edison?
2014-10-14T09:05:01 < dongs> waste of time
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2014-10-14T09:09:42 < GargantuaSauce> pcie on a soc is kind of cool
2014-10-14T09:12:35 < GargantuaSauce> on the other hand porting all the legacy pc crap into that platform is pretty dumb
2014-10-14T09:14:54 < GargantuaSauce> oh i was looking at the quark soc. the edison thing has much less interesting io
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2014-10-14T09:20:15 < dongs> you can  always use I2C gpio expander to add tarduino shields to it
2014-10-14T09:22:07 < GargantuaSauce> now we're talkin'
2014-10-14T09:23:43 < dongs> for max pro
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2014-10-14T09:36:59 < kakeman_> usin pci-e as expansion card standart
2014-10-14T09:37:03 < kakeman_> whoa
2014-10-14T09:37:45 < dongs> why hasnt anyone made a PCI-e tarduino shield
2014-10-14T09:38:19 < kakeman_> too cool
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2014-10-14T12:48:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1LGKieTxY retweeting this greatness
2014-10-14T12:50:23 < PaulFertser> Holy shit
2014-10-14T12:50:28 < PaulFertser> It's Moscow btw
2014-10-14T12:50:53 < dongs> you know that street?
2014-10-14T12:53:19 < karlp> did someone stabilize that video _after_ the watermarking?
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2014-10-14T12:53:27 < dongs> yes
2014-10-14T12:53:32 < karlp> neat
2014-10-14T12:53:40 < dongs> typical blog retweet trash
2014-10-14T12:54:00 < dongs> probably 5th genreeration facebook reupload
2014-10-14T12:54:13 < PaulFertser> dongs: yes, that street is the 5 lanes road around Moscow.
2014-10-14T12:54:20 < karlp> that link is "jay patterson" which is also the text in the "compilation by jay patterson"
2014-10-14T12:54:29 < karlp> so maybe he stole it back again?
2014-10-14T12:54:49 < karlp> couple of nice takeoffs there!
2014-10-14T12:55:04 < karlp> I wonder how that car on the left fares
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2014-10-14T12:59:14 < _Sync_> actually pretty interesting that the flowrate of the rupture disks is not enough
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2014-10-14T13:02:29 < PaulFertser> There were 119 of those gas reservoirs.
2014-10-14T13:03:12 < dongs> did you count them all
2014-10-14T13:03:45 < PaulFertser> Found the corresponding news item.
2014-10-14T13:13:18 < karlp> GargantuaSauce: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.0PaX6f&id=40001391387&ns=1#detail
2014-10-14T13:13:26 < karlp> (anonabox with USB too!)
2014-10-14T13:13:59 < karlp> their claims about everything but gen 1 being custom hardware are lies too, gen 2 is an oolite dev board, gen 3 is an oolite on at least what looks like a custom base board.
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2014-10-14T13:16:45 < karlp> (just searching for the wt3020 you can see on "their" pcb)
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2014-10-14T13:28:06 < zyp> karlp, doesn't youtube itself do video stabilization?
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2014-10-14T13:29:13 < akaWolf> interesting, is a driver alive?
2014-10-14T13:30:01 < akaWolf> of a car with cylinders
2014-10-14T13:32:19 < madiz> did you hear the impact when he hit the other truck ?
2014-10-14T13:33:36 < dongs> akaWolf: you can see him run off
2014-10-14T13:33:39 < dongs> at start
2014-10-14T13:33:50 < dongs> to the left
2014-10-14T13:33:52 < zyp> yeah
2014-10-14T13:33:54 < zyp> 0:27
2014-10-14T13:33:58 < akaWolf> i.e. all alive? :)
2014-10-14T13:34:11 < dongs> seems
2014-10-14T13:34:19 < akaWolf> good
2014-10-14T13:35:32 < akaWolf> is it a car from left cut off a car with balloons?
2014-10-14T13:36:31 < akaWolf> seems also that car with balloons went too fast
2014-10-14T13:36:53 < dongs> seens he just went to fast and bumped into wahtever was in front
2014-10-14T13:37:55 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/2HJUF893.html got a new legit email
2014-10-14T13:40:49 < karlp> zyp: neat, no idea it did stabilzation, doesn't that need to cut the frame down though? doesn't seem like something you'd want done automatically
2014-10-14T13:41:08 < zyp> I guess it's an option
2014-10-14T13:42:20 < akaWolf> dongs: dropbox isn't by google
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2014-10-14T14:12:34 < dongs> its an option it offers you if it thinks your video is shit
2014-10-14T14:13:47 < akaWolf> do you posted shit video? :)
2014-10-14T14:14:18 < akaWolf> rich experience..
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2014-10-14T14:18:58 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOXwXHvFa4
2014-10-14T14:19:58 < dongs> akaWolf: it offered me to stabilize https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Baq9wZ3-wTM
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2014-10-14T14:24:45 < akaWolf> dongs: you are popular at youtube
2014-10-14T14:25:15 < akaWolf> are the girls hanting at you? :)
2014-10-14T14:25:24 < rewolff1> Dongs, about your FPGA thingy... Do you need it to work for ALL 1024x720 monitors, or just a specific one.
2014-10-14T14:26:12 < dongs> rewolff1: very specific, its custom anyway
2014-10-14T14:26:14 < rewolff1> If you stretch the hsync for each monitor a lot, you might get away with just some fiddling with the syncs, and no need to buffer half-a-line.
2014-10-14T14:27:47 < rewolff1> (as you presented the problem right now, you will need to buffer more or less the whole line, before you can push out the data again at a slower dot-clock. )
2014-10-14T14:27:48 < dongs> i need to sit  down and draw it, but I think its not as simple, the clock would need to reduce also
2014-10-14T14:27:55 < dongs> right..
2014-10-14T14:28:41 < rewolff1> but maybe if you have a "hsync" pulse of about half-the-video-time (when the other monitor is getting the data) you might get away with not-buffering the data.
2014-10-14T14:29:31 < rewolff1> 1280*3 bytes... 3840 bytes hmm. you'll probably be able to find that on-chip. It isn't as bad as I thought.
2014-10-14T14:31:30 < dongs> yeah ive got a LX9, i think it has something like 20k blockram between different shits?
2014-10-14T14:32:42 < rewolff1> I've not-looked at FPGAs long enough to not-know the parameters of the chips by heart.
2014-10-14T14:35:05 < dongs> i know even less.
2014-10-14T14:37:58 < dongs> 1280x panels are usually <= 75mhz pixclk
2014-10-14T14:38:30 < rewolff1> 90 kbits, you need 61kbits (you might be able to get by with half that, but requires more thinking... which is unneccessary if you have the resources).
2014-10-14T14:39:03 < rewolff1> I was surprised at the "about 100MHz pixel clock".
2014-10-14T14:39:25 < dongs> 2560x mode ends up with 117mhz clock
2014-10-14T14:39:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/V7XaJCx.png < that
2014-10-14T14:39:37 < rewolff1> I remember that order-of-magnitude pixel clocks from like 15-20 years ago.
2014-10-14T14:39:47 < rewolff1> and 2560 was out of the question back then.
2014-10-14T14:39:51 < dongs> hehe
2014-10-14T14:40:35 < rewolff1> 117 counts as "about 100" at this point in time... :-)
2014-10-14T14:40:55 < rewolff1> (you have 6% overhead of non-lit pixels due to blanking and syncing).
2014-10-14T14:43:43 < rewolff1> (I think I used a 108 MHz clock for my second screen: A monochrome fixed sync monitor I managed to find somewhere, with an accelerated dedicated card that came with it. The card was 8-bit ISA.... )
2014-10-14T14:44:09 < dongs> hercules with parallel port
2014-10-14T14:45:02 < rewolff1> Anyway, if you can adjust the pixel clocks up to the 117 in the 1280 screens, you might be able to get by with little-or-no hardware....
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2014-10-14T14:45:19 < dongs> yeah, wont work.
2014-10-14T14:45:23 < dongs> ~75 is max
2014-10-14T14:48:18 < rewolff1> http://www.informatique.nl/530080/ag-neovo-u-17.html
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2014-10-14T14:48:37 < rewolff1> is the first "1280" monitor I came across. It does 103MHz plus overhead...
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2014-10-14T14:49:43 < rewolff1> http://www.lobeco.nl/files/DS-U17-monitor.pdf  : 81Khz horizontal at 1280 pixels = 103MHz.
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2014-10-14T14:57:45 < dongs> ive looked at a bunch of 1280x 16:9 panels and i dont see any that go > 80mhz pixel clock
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2014-10-14T15:21:49 < dongs> rewolff1: also I think what monitor chipset/scaler will accept vs what panel its outputting to will accepte is differnt
2014-10-14T15:22:22 < dongs> scaler might take 85+Hz refresh and higher pixel clock but it's still going to send it to panel at 60hz.
2014-10-14T15:23:18 < karlp> facebook is giving me ads for sears drill presses now permanently thanks upgrdman
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2014-10-14T19:01:30 < dongs> http://aidsinfo.nih.gov/api just what I need
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2014-10-14T19:16:28 < dongs> paypal'd the scope
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2014-10-14T19:23:37 < englishman> i hope you got one of these too https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1243275397/air-umbrella
2014-10-14T19:24:00 < dongs> wow
2014-10-14T19:24:04 < dongs> much amaze
2014-10-14T19:25:08 < qyx_> ololol
2014-10-14T19:26:12 < Fleck> ;p
2014-10-14T19:26:18 < Laurenceb> $1 minimum for asian wife?
2014-10-14T19:26:24 < Laurenceb> oh its an umbrella
2014-10-14T19:26:33 < gxti> omg you can size control of the air
2014-10-14T19:26:54 < Laurenceb> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/608/619/dd367be2100396e5364e5c2a3ea46864_large.jpg?1411134390
2014-10-14T19:26:58 < Laurenceb> dat ms paint
2014-10-14T19:27:14 < gxti> quality asian fonts
2014-10-14T19:28:17 < dongs> thats the default chinapcb font, too
2014-10-14T19:28:19 < dongs> when they clone your shit
2014-10-14T19:28:25 < dongs> that fucking serif somethin shit
2014-10-14T19:29:00 < dongs> It will still take nearly 10 months to improve the product.After the completion, we will send all the parts to the manufacturers for production. And the competed products will be sent to our supporters.If the products can not be produced successfully,we will return all the fund to the supporters.Besides,if we are not able to complete the products and send them to our supporters before December 31st 2015, we will return all the money to the supporters before January 3
2014-10-14T19:29:06 < dongs> ok waht
2014-10-14T19:29:11 < Laurenceb> i suspect its impossible
2014-10-14T19:29:29 < gxti> no, i know exactly how that will end. they will successfully ship it but it will be totally useless.
2014-10-14T19:29:38 < Laurenceb> going to need air at a bazillion mph to deflect large raindrops in a few cm
2014-10-14T19:30:10 < dirty_d> any of you guys good with automotive stuff?
2014-10-14T19:30:23 < emeb> does driving a car count?
2014-10-14T19:30:29 < dirty_d> im making a fuel injection controller for an old jet ski
2014-10-14T19:30:37 < dongs> lorf, i was just gonna say that
2014-10-14T19:30:50 < dirty_d> not sure if i can get by with a fixed fuel injector frequency, or if it should be synchronized with the engine speed
2014-10-14T19:30:52 < emeb> great minds...
2014-10-14T19:30:57 < englishman> dirty_d: totally doesnt matter
2014-10-14T19:31:10 < englishman> sequential injection is better sure
2014-10-14T19:31:21 < englishman> but you can just pwm the injector and have it on all the time
2014-10-14T19:31:27 < dirty_d> for sure?
2014-10-14T19:31:29 < englishman> ya
2014-10-14T19:31:40 < dirty_d> at full speed thats 266 intake events per second
2014-10-14T19:31:56 < englishman> oh you dont mean sequential injection
2014-10-14T19:31:58 < Laurenceb> like ur mum
2014-10-14T19:32:05 < englishman> you're asking if the engine needs more fuel at higher speed????
2014-10-14T19:32:10 < dirty_d> if my injection frequency is 50Hz, isnt there a change some intake strokes will get no gas at all
2014-10-14T19:32:21 < dirty_d> chance*
2014-10-14T19:33:07 < dirty_d> or will the air/fuel mixture disperse enough that it will sort of "even out"
2014-10-14T19:33:11 < englishman> 50hz is way way too low
2014-10-14T19:33:24 < dirty_d> what were you thinking?
2014-10-14T19:33:25 < englishman> 20khz is like what old megasquirt shit runs
2014-10-14T19:33:39 < dirty_d> wait what?
2014-10-14T19:33:45 < dirty_d> you can run a fuel injector like that
2014-10-14T19:33:51 < dirty_d> it has to be full on or full off
2014-10-14T19:33:59 < englishman> thats what pwm is for
2014-10-14T19:34:04 < dirty_d> like full on for 5ms, off for 15ms
2014-10-14T19:34:16 < englishman> that would be crazy
2014-10-14T19:34:34 < dirty_d> i dont think you can sort half open the valve in the injector though
2014-10-14T19:34:45 < dirty_d> im pretty sure it is either closed or opens all the way
2014-10-14T19:34:57 < englishman> physically they end up floating
2014-10-14T19:35:01 < dirty_d> and there is a 0.8ms delay from turning it on until the valve opens all the way
2014-10-14T19:35:01 < englishman> but it depends on the injector
2014-10-14T19:35:20 < Laurenceb> how much power do injectors take?
2014-10-14T19:35:22 < englishman> hmm lemme think back
2014-10-14T19:35:23 < dirty_d> if i can actually run them on fast pwm that would be ideal
2014-10-14T19:35:26 < englishman> this was like 10 years ago
2014-10-14T19:35:34 < dirty_d> Laurenceb, 1 amp at 12v
2014-10-14T19:35:39 < Laurenceb> wow
2014-10-14T19:35:41 < Laurenceb> not bad
2014-10-14T19:35:51 < englishman> yea its simple mosfet control
2014-10-14T19:35:56 < englishman> yeah so what i did was
2014-10-14T19:36:07 < englishman> injector on time with rpm
2014-10-14T19:36:15 < englishman> pwm'd for needed fuwl quantity
2014-10-14T19:36:19 < dirty_d> i have a maf sensor
2014-10-14T19:36:20 < englishman> so yeah on/off time
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2014-10-14T19:36:30 < englishman> sizing injectors so duty cycle is kept low
2014-10-14T19:36:48 < englishman> ya i remember now
2014-10-14T19:36:52 < dirty_d> i got 48lb/hr injectors, should be plenty big
2014-10-14T19:37:00 < dirty_d> well, injector
2014-10-14T19:37:05 < englishman> depends on th emotor
2014-10-14T19:37:18 < dirty_d> its a 530cc 2 cylinder
2014-10-14T19:37:19 < englishman> dono anything about jetskis
2014-10-14T19:37:23 < englishman> heh yeah plenty
2014-10-14T19:37:31 < englishman> single injector?
2014-10-14T19:37:44 < Laurenceb> i want to try converting a diesel to CNG power
2014-10-14T19:38:03 < dirty_d> yea im either going to drill a hole somewhere in the carb throttle body and mount it in, or mount it upstream somehow
2014-10-14T19:38:14 < englishman> yeah thatl be fine
2014-10-14T19:38:24 < englishman> which controller are you going with
2014-10-14T19:38:26 < englishman> or diy
2014-10-14T19:38:31 < dirty_d> diy
2014-10-14T19:38:34 < englishman> cool
2014-10-14T19:38:50 < dirty_d> i made a power control board on oshpark, and im just using the stm32f3discovery for control
2014-10-14T19:39:05 < dirty_d> got a bluetooth module too and made an app on my phone for tuning it
2014-10-14T19:39:12 < englishman> yeah injector pulses were sync'd with crank rpm, and multiple squirts per cycle to average out fuel
2014-10-14T19:39:27 < englishman> since on megasquirt it wasnt synced with valve timing (nonsequential)
2014-10-14T19:39:56 < dirty_d> the thing is at full speed which is like 8000rpm, i only have 3.75ms to squirt fuel
2014-10-14T19:40:33 < dirty_d> and i lose 0.8ms due to the injector opening time
2014-10-14T19:40:56 < englishman> that should be taken into account with your injector size vs. needed fuel vs. ontime calculation
2014-10-14T19:41:05 < englishman> you'll see on some sportbikes there's two injectors per cylinder
2014-10-14T19:41:07 < englishman> for that reason
2014-10-14T19:41:46 < englishman> nice idle (fuel resolution at low rpm) vs. fuel quantity at high rpm
2014-10-14T19:41:51 < dirty_d> the injectors are 5.6mg/ms
2014-10-14T19:43:05 < dirty_d> so i have something like 0.26g if fuel per second max
2014-10-14T19:43:14 < dirty_d> until i just start leaving them on all the time
2014-10-14T19:43:26 < englishman> ywah dont do that
2014-10-14T19:43:35 < englishman> theres some dutycycle you never want to exceed
2014-10-14T19:43:44 < englishman> since lean condition = fail especially at that speed
2014-10-14T19:44:09 < dirty_d> yea
2014-10-14T19:44:16 < dirty_d> my math must be wrong actually
2014-10-14T19:44:56 < dirty_d> 4.4 grams/sec
2014-10-14T19:45:38 < dirty_d> at 100% VE and 8000rpm thats 70.6 liters of air per second
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2014-10-14T19:46:25 < karlp> put an air umbrella in it then!
2014-10-14T19:46:29 < dirty_d> 85 grams of air
2014-10-14T19:46:47 < dirty_d> 85 / 14.7 = 5.8
2014-10-14T19:46:49 < dirty_d> uhoh
2014-10-14T19:47:27 < englishman> hmh maybr 48 is too small
2014-10-14T19:47:41 < englishman> i think i used 42# on 2L NA and it was too small
2014-10-14T19:47:53 < englishman> 64# with nitrous
2014-10-14T19:48:07 < englishman> anyway you can get it running first
2014-10-14T19:48:09 < dirty_d> tahts wierd though, the jet ski manual says it consumes 4.6 gallons of gas per hour at full throttle
2014-10-14T19:48:46 < dirty_d> 29 pounds of gas
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2014-10-14T19:48:57 < dirty_d> and the injectors are 48lb
2014-10-14T19:49:05 < englishman> plural?
2014-10-14T19:49:10 < dirty_d> injector*
2014-10-14T19:49:13 < englishman> :)
2014-10-14T19:49:27 < englishman> anyway you wont be running 8000rpm your first day
2014-10-14T19:49:27 < dirty_d> maybe the VE is much lower than 100%
2014-10-14T19:49:40 < dirty_d> at 8000rpm
2014-10-14T19:50:42 < englishman> also 14.7 afr at 8000rpm = way too lean
2014-10-14T19:50:57 < dirty_d> true
2014-10-14T19:52:13 < dirty_d> maybe it doesnt actually do 8000rpm, i just found that in some forum because the manual doesnt specify the max rpm
2014-10-14T19:52:24 < dirty_d> could be a tricked out race motor
2014-10-14T19:52:43 < dirty_d> but if it really is only 4.6gal/hr, 48lb should be plenty
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2014-10-14T22:34:28 < Tectu> what C++ libraries do you guys now use on your STM32?
2014-10-14T22:34:29 < Tectu> zyp, ?
2014-10-14T22:34:31 < Tectu> jpa-, ?
2014-10-14T22:35:12 < gxti> boost
2014-10-14T22:35:16 < gxti> such pro
2014-10-14T22:37:03 < PaulFertser> afaik a great part of boost is fully compile-time.
2014-10-14T22:37:46 < gxti> could be. i just thought about the most bloated c++ thing i could, and boost takes approximately 6 years to compile
2014-10-14T22:37:57 < gxti> so perfect for stm32
2014-10-14T22:38:11 < yan_> gxti: a part of boost is header-only with minimal dependencies, which could be workable
2014-10-14T22:38:58 < Tectu> seriously, what obtions are out there?
2014-10-14T22:39:16 < yan_> Tectu: there's http://cxx.uclibc.org/
2014-10-14T22:39:33 < yan_> Tectu: also, as far as i remember, most or parts of nuttx are c++
2014-10-14T22:39:44 < PaulFertser> Tectu: are you talking about microcontroller (or even stm32-specific) libraries or the standard C++ runtime libs?
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2014-10-14T22:46:27 < zyp> Tectu, laks
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2014-10-14T23:17:56 < yan_> can anyone comment as to the differences of using the m0+ vs the m3? the power usage is a little lower on m0+, but otherwise i'm trying to justify using the m0+ when the m3 will make it easier to budget performance
2014-10-14T23:19:03 < zyp> what do you mean?
2014-10-14T23:19:59 < yan_> zyp: i have a project i'm working on where low power is a priority. i understand that the m0+ line is made specifically for that requirement, but when comparing to the m3, it looks like it's barely more power efficient (130ua vs 180ua), but the m3 might get me better performance per clock cycle
2014-10-14T23:23:19 < PaulFertser> Probably l0 line is even better?
2014-10-14T23:23:34 < yan_> PaulFertser: l0 is m0+
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2014-10-14T23:24:08 < PaulFertser> Duh, ignore me, too sleepy to communicate
2014-10-14T23:24:11 < yan_> :)
2014-10-14T23:25:15 < PaulFertser> Somehow I thought you're comparing some modern f0 to f1 or somesuch.
2014-10-14T23:26:10 < yan_> from spec sheets, 185ma/mhz, w/ ~1ua for standby+rtc for the stm32l100, with 139ua, 1ua stop mode for stm32l051
2014-10-14T23:26:40 < zyp> yan_, well, consider this; do you have a fixed power budget that you need the most performance out of, or a fixed task that you need to do with least amount of power?
2014-10-14T23:26:59 < yan_> zyp: the latter
2014-10-14T23:27:43 < yan_> i'm going to be polling an i2c device once every 60 seconds, then go into a 10 minute 'high power' run state where i'd need to do some floating point math, then back to low frequency checking
2014-10-14T23:27:56 < yan_> and i'm trying to squeeze out as many of these cycles out of a cell
2014-10-14T23:28:42 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-14T23:28:56 < zyp> I wonder how power efficiency compares for hardfp vs softfp
2014-10-14T23:29:31 < zyp> if you need to do fp, I imagine going with hardfp might actually be most efficient
2014-10-14T23:29:50 < yan_> zyp: yeah, my intuition says that m3 might be as good at sleeping and be more efficient during those 10 min bursts
2014-10-14T23:30:03 < zyp> m3 doesn't have hardfp though
2014-10-14T23:30:16 < yan_> zyp: you sure? i thought i read it does single cycle multiply
2014-10-14T23:30:49 < zyp> only m4f has a fpu
2014-10-14T23:31:01 < yan_> zyp: hm i might be able to get away with integer operations
2014-10-14T23:31:02 < zyp> m3 is strictly integer only
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2014-10-14T23:32:26 < yan_> wow the stm32f411 can do down to 100ua/mhz
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2014-10-14T23:42:31 < superbia> rip drones in eu
2014-10-14T23:42:41 < superbia> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0h9mWv2hqA
2014-10-14T23:44:11 < karlp> what team is SRB?
2014-10-14T23:44:32 < superbia> red
2014-10-14T23:44:44 < superbia> some background.. serbians did genocide over albanians
2014-10-14T23:45:14 < superbia> this game was held before 20 minutes, in belgrade serbia (and no albanians were allowed to enter serbia due to high risk)
2014-10-14T23:45:41 < superbia> still, the quad carries an albanian flag.. and it coused massive riots
2014-10-14T23:48:46 < Laurenceb_> trolol
2014-10-14T23:50:07 < superbia> try to imagine evil scientist when his afroduino will be banned...
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2014-10-14T23:55:36 < kakeman_> who gave those niggas that quad
2014-10-14T23:56:53 < superbia> benjamin $$
2014-10-14T23:57:36 < kakeman_> mafia money for quad technology
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2014-10-15T00:03:45 < kakeman_> why serbs genocided albanians?
2014-10-15T00:05:25 < _Sync_> why not
2014-10-15T00:07:50 < kakeman_> they were probably very bored
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2014-10-15T00:13:54 < Laurenceb_> for the lulz
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2014-10-15T03:15:23 < dongs> sup pros
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2014-10-15T03:44:50 < dongs> http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/weird/4-Berks-County-Men-Arrested-for-Smuggling-Cocaine-Inside-Xbox-360-Consoles-278913831.html clever
2014-10-15T03:57:34 < karlp> i2cing it up
2014-10-15T03:57:56 < karlp> it's nice when the datasheet says, "response time, typically 22ms, and the logic analyser shows... 22ms"
2014-10-15T04:01:08 < dongs> still fucking with that DAC?
2014-10-15T04:05:43 < karlp> no, got that working on the f4, then on the l1, now I'm tweaking up reading an i2c temp/humi sensor on the l1
2014-10-15T04:05:51 < karlp> got the one and two byte read special cases working
2014-10-15T04:06:03 < karlp> fiddling with 3+ byte reads
2014-10-15T04:07:22 < jadew> you could use a device that helps you get familiar with new chips :P
2014-10-15T04:08:20 < jadew> karlp, what’s the issue?
2014-10-15T04:10:13 < jadew> hmm... so 1 kg of cocain is 100k?
2014-10-15T04:10:47 < jadew> sounds like a lucrative business
2014-10-15T04:11:33 < karlp> I have a device that helps me get familiar with new chips :) it's called some jumperleads and a discovery board
2014-10-15T04:11:59 < karlp> well, actually, initially, I just plugged it into an arduino and it "just worked" :)
2014-10-15T04:12:19 < dongs> haha
2014-10-15T04:12:33 < karlp> no real issue really, just never used i2c before and was being noobish
2014-10-15T04:13:38 < baird> I bought an Adafruit product. :/
2014-10-15T04:13:51 < dongs> what'd you get
2014-10-15T04:18:33 < jadew> an mp3 player in a metal candy box?
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2014-10-15T04:20:22 < jadew> anyone here playing worms reloaded?
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2014-10-15T04:23:46 < karlp> hrm, 3byte read works, but I seem to get four clocks. doing these events at the right time is madness :)
2014-10-15T04:24:12 < jadew> karlp, you normally don’t have to worry about timings
2014-10-15T04:24:22 < karlp> "5.7 CRC Checksum
2014-10-15T04:24:22 < karlp> CRC8 is a well known standard checksum concept. For
2014-10-15T04:24:22 < karlp> implementation please refer to public sources such as
2014-10-15T04:24:23 < karlp> Wikipedia."
2014-10-15T04:24:33 < karlp> timings re, in the right order,
2014-10-15T04:24:35 < jadew> you just output the clocks and the device you’re talking to can stretch the clock for as long as it needs
2014-10-15T04:24:46 < karlp> ie, sending the nack before reading the data register, and so on
2014-10-15T04:25:05 < jadew> what do you mean?
2014-10-15T04:25:13 < jadew> you’re implementing a master or a slave?
2014-10-15T04:25:49 < jadew> you’re supposed to send the nack after you’ve read the last byte you want to read (both as a slave or as a master)
2014-10-15T04:26:07 < jadew> which means that you have to instruct the hardware to send the nack, before starting to do that final read
2014-10-15T04:26:16 < karlp> yeah, well the i2c peripheral wants you do to things like setting the bits at all sorts of different times
2014-10-15T04:26:24 < karlp> have you read what they say about doing a 2 byte receive for instance?
2014-10-15T04:26:43 < jadew> karlp, I’m not sure how that’s different
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2014-10-15T04:27:00 < karlp> well, I'm glad you think like an ST doc writer then :)
2014-10-15T04:27:35 < jadew> karlp, that’s because it’s not different :)
2014-10-15T04:27:38 < jadew> the same rule applies
2014-10-15T04:27:47 < karlp> seriously, have you read the st docs on this?
2014-10-15T04:27:59 < karlp> for 2 byte reads, yo uneed to set the stop bits, then do a double read of the data register
2014-10-15T04:28:18 < karlp> it is differnet, and is called out specifically in the ref manual
2014-10-15T04:28:49 < jadew> I’m not sure about your chip, but are you setting the width of the data to be 16 bits or something like that?
2014-10-15T04:29:18 < dongs> i2c on stm is pretty aids
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2014-10-15T04:29:44 < dongs> i got some copypasted code for F1, and some polling code for F4, but if I wanna make sure something really works i just use bitbanged version :D
2014-10-15T04:30:35 < jadew> I was able to properly implement everything related to I2C in my project
2014-10-15T04:31:04 < jadew> I think it was one of the few peripherals that I didn’t think they suck
2014-10-15T04:31:20 < karlp> well, as I said before, awesome for you for thinking like an ST doc writer then :)
2014-10-15T04:31:43 < jadew> may be different for your chip
2014-10-15T04:31:46 < jadew> but you didn’t answer
2014-10-15T04:31:53 < jadew> did you set your data length to be 16 bits?
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2014-10-15T04:33:07 < karlp> what data length are you speaking about?
2014-10-15T04:33:07 < baird> jadew: just an RPi LCD 'plate'. In the middle of soldering/assembling it now.
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2014-10-15T04:33:13 < jadew> I’m asking because I didn’t have to do any double reads of the DR
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2014-10-15T04:34:10 < jadew> what chip are you using?
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2014-10-15T04:36:35 < karlp> jadew: http://imgur.com/x3rwLx9
2014-10-15T04:37:09 < jadew> yes
2014-10-15T04:37:16 < jadew> that’s precisely what I said earlier
2014-10-15T04:37:31 < jadew> [04:25.53] <jadew> you’re supposed to send the nack after you’ve read the last byte you want to read (both as a slave or as a master)
2014-10-15T04:37:32 < jadew> [04:26.11] <jadew> which means that you have to instruct the hardware to send the nack, before starting to do that final read
2014-10-15T04:37:54 < karlp> so, one more time then, I'm glad you think like an ST doc writer :)
2014-10-15T04:38:30 < jadew> when else would you do it?
2014-10-15T04:39:12 < jadew> given that the read is handled in hardware and that the ack/nack is the last bit of a transfer, it’s natural to set it before reading that last byte
2014-10-15T04:39:32 < jadew> the nack basically means “STOP sending, I got all the data I needed”
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2014-10-15T04:39:42 < jadew> basically marking the last byte you want to receive
2014-10-15T04:39:54 < jadew> when the sender gets the nack, it knows not to send anymore data
2014-10-15T04:41:17 < jadew> karlp, makes sense?
2014-10-15T04:41:50 < karlp> yes, from the poitn of view of talking about nacks and i2c in a nice holistic "this is how i2c works" kinda of way
2014-10-15T04:42:01 < karlp> but not in the st code required way :)
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2014-10-15T04:43:05 < karlp> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/0P7u9n85.html
2014-10-15T04:44:49 < jadew> why are you donig it in that order?
2014-10-15T04:45:46 < karlp> .... because that's what a) works, and b) what st says.
2014-10-15T04:45:56 < karlp> (that's not one function, that's extracts from three functions)
2014-10-15T04:46:03 < jadew> I figured
2014-10-15T04:46:17 < karlp> and the readn doesn't work if you pass in 2 :)
2014-10-15T04:46:18 < jadew> where does it say that you have to send the stop condition before reading those 2 bytes
2014-10-15T04:46:41 < karlp> did you even look at the extract of the ref man I pasted? it had the highlighted special cases
2014-10-15T04:46:48 < jadew> karlp, that’s probably because you’re doing things in the wrong order
2014-10-15T04:47:01 < karlp> if I call readn with 2, I _get_ the two bytes I expect, but on the LA, you can see a garbge trailer
2014-10-15T04:47:18 < jadew> you need to decide weather you want to ack or not the next byte before starting to wait for RXNE
2014-10-15T04:47:46 < karlp> are you really not reading the bit that says, "for two byte reception, do this other thing" ?
2014-10-15T04:48:06 < jadew> for (i = 0; i < n; ++i) { doweack(i != n - 1); wait for rxne; read dr; }
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2014-10-15T04:54:23 < jadew> karlp, give me a sec to check it on my hardware, I think they’re doing it wrong
2014-10-15T04:55:32 < karlp> it's infuriating, but that actually works, for 1, 2 and 3 byte reads.
2014-10-15T04:55:52 < karlp> so yeah, once more, hooray for you being able to just completely ignore all of STs notes abotu special cases
2014-10-15T04:56:02 < jadew> I’m pretty sure I got correct results using the method I told you
2014-10-15T04:56:11 < jadew> with out generating any extra clocks or anything like that
2014-10-15T04:56:26 < karlp> I sure don't read their docs as saying _anything_ like what this code now looks like.
2014-10-15T04:57:17 < jadew> karlp, thing is, from that event table it appears that’s not a special case but how every transfer should be handled
2014-10-15T04:57:41 < jadew> for example, “For N >2 -byte reception, from N-2 data reception”
2014-10-15T04:57:55 < jadew> they end with “Set STOP high. Read data N-1 and N”
2014-10-15T04:58:07 < jadew> which is deffinitely not what I’m doing, that’s just stupid
2014-10-15T04:58:17 < karlp> well, it's what I did, and it works too :)
2014-10-15T04:58:46 < jadew> give me a sec to hook up to an I2C IC
2014-10-15T04:58:49 < karlp> they make a special case for 1 byte read too, but it just blurs ev7_1 and ev_6
2014-10-15T04:58:53 < karlp> no, it's workign like you said,
2014-10-15T04:59:06 < karlp> I've tried 1, 2, 3 byt ereads, no trailers, no garbage on the lines afterwards,
2014-10-15T04:59:53 < karlp> no wonder you didn' thate the i2c peripheral as much as everyone else :)
2014-10-15T05:00:00 < jadew> hehe :)
2014-10-15T05:01:15 < karlp> I still _hate_ all the "read sr1 to clear the addr bit. then also read sr2, even though you don't care about any bits there"
2014-10-15T05:01:49 < jadew> yeah, but you only have to do it for addresses
2014-10-15T05:01:56 < karlp> still gross
2014-10-15T05:02:10 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-15T05:02:12 < karlp> "	while (!((I2C_SR1(i2c) & I2C_SR1_SB)
2014-10-15T05:02:12 < karlp> 		& (I2C_SR2(i2c) & (I2C_SR2_MSL | I2C_SR2_BUSY))));
2014-10-15T05:02:23 < karlp> " to "wait for master mode to be selected" is pretty gross too
2014-10-15T05:03:04 < karlp> so, anyone want a read1/read2 i2c functions? going cheap :)
2014-10-15T05:03:34 < jadew> heh
2014-10-15T05:03:47 < gxti> i already have code i ripped from Laurenceb, A+ quality
2014-10-15T05:04:01 < gxti> i rewrote it all to get the smell out though
2014-10-15T05:04:10 < karlp> mine will have more spaces, guaranteeed
2014-10-15T05:04:32 < gxti> and i actually only know that 8 byte reads work because i've only used it for eeprom :p
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2014-10-15T05:14:29 < jadew> karlp, the only possible explanations for this is that the guy who made that peripheral wasn’t around anymore to instruct the datasheet writers and they screwed up bad, or that they have some chips out there with a screwed up peripheral
2014-10-15T05:14:39 < jadew> and the presented way is meant to work on all of them
2014-10-15T05:14:53 < jadew> but that’s a bit unlikely, because I’d expect that info to be in the errata
2014-10-15T05:16:09 < jadew> it’s cool
2014-10-15T05:16:36 < jadew> it’s addressable, has that ack/nack mechanism and only 2 traces
2014-10-15T05:18:59 < jadew> karlp, you know what’s even stranger
2014-10-15T05:19:12 < jadew> the diagram itself pretty much instructs you to do it my way
2014-10-15T05:19:22 < jadew> (it’s probably how I came up with that code)
2014-10-15T05:19:33 < karlp> as long as yo udon't read the captions, and just "know" what each stage is meant to be :)
2014-10-15T05:19:41 < jadew> while the text underneeth is describing that garbage algorithm
2014-10-15T05:20:04 < dongs>  < gxti> i rewrote it all to get the smell out though
2014-10-15T05:20:05 < dongs> gxti: url
2014-10-15T05:20:12 < dongs> i rewrote some of it but its still nasty
2014-10-15T05:20:27 < gxti> https://github.com/mtharp/laureline-firmware/blob/master/lib/stm32/i2c.c
2014-10-15T05:20:39 < gxti> i'm not really endorsing it. i don't know why most of it is there. probably those memory fences are useless.
2014-10-15T05:20:48 < gxti> but for the very limited use i have for it right now, it works
2014-10-15T05:21:39 < karlp> see, look at those special cases the docs imply :)
2014-10-15T05:22:04 < gxti> i haven't even really looked closely at the RM
2014-10-15T05:22:16 < gxti> i think i skimmed it and got frustrated because even just a dumb synchronous impl would suck
2014-10-15T05:22:51 < karlp> yeah, I've got it working, but it's all blocking stuff :|
2014-10-15T05:22:57 < karlp> anyway, well past bedtime.
2014-10-15T05:23:13 < gxti> i will keep in mind what you said when i ger around to poking it again :P
2014-10-15T05:23:13 < baird> Huh, those "Wi-Pi" dongles being sold by E14 actually work perfectly.. Luckily, since I'm playing with a Model A, and can't find the USB hub..
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2014-10-15T05:33:11 < jadew> gxti, that ISR looks sad, you might consider splitting it into several functions
2014-10-15T05:34:11 < jadew> on nice-to-work-on chips you get an ISR for each event, not just 1 for all of them
2014-10-15T05:34:30 < jadew> but I guess it could still be split and made to look a bit nicer
2014-10-15T06:06:27 < dongs> sup pros
2014-10-15T06:07:10 < emeb_mac> no pros here
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2014-10-15T06:15:36 < englishman> ordered psoc4
2014-10-15T06:15:41 < dongs> useless
2014-10-15T06:35:32 < dongs> not even
2014-10-15T06:35:42 < dongs> R2COM: called and ordered that scope
2014-10-15T06:35:56 < dongs> wont see it for about a month tho. its getting fedex'd to alaska then i';ll forward it to here
2014-10-15T06:36:31 < dongs> lol more like extra... $1500+ miniumum
2014-10-15T06:38:00 < dongs> well, <= 1 month anyway. ill see what i can do.
2014-10-15T06:38:09 < dongs> i need to attend tokyo maker faire and purchase as many arduino shields as I can
2014-10-15T06:38:13 < dongs> so i can make full use of that scope
2014-10-15T06:38:50 < jadew> what?
2014-10-15T06:39:08 < jadew> no, the arduino stuff
2014-10-15T06:40:14 < jadew> I don’t know, please don’t bring her up again, I don’t want to have to explain what this is all about to my wife if she sees the discussion
2014-10-15T06:40:21 < dongs> lo'
2014-10-15T06:41:01 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=E4402B&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nchttp://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=E4402B&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
2014-10-15T06:41:02 < jadew> let’s just talk about hot chicks that are out of my reach
2014-10-15T06:41:03 < jadew> :)
2014-10-15T06:41:05 < dongs> hmm
2014-10-15T06:41:37 < jadew> did noto
2014-10-15T06:41:39 < jadew> *not
2014-10-15T06:41:43 < englishman> dongs: u sellin?
2014-10-15T06:41:49 < dongs> englishman: right
2014-10-15T06:41:50 < dongs> LOL
2014-10-15T06:41:58 < dongs> R2COM: thats my current analyzer
2014-10-15T06:42:06 < dongs> which I will need to get rid of.
2014-10-15T06:42:10 < jadew> how much are you asking for it?
2014-10-15T06:42:26 < dongs> thats why im loking on shitbay, to see what people have paid for it
2014-10-15T06:42:42 < englishman> its a beast
2014-10-15T06:42:46 < dongs> yeah its heavy as shit
2014-10-15T06:42:51 < dongs> you could kill peple wiht it
2014-10-15T06:42:56 < jadew> does it have a TG?
2014-10-15T06:43:00 < englishman> ya i used the 6ghz model last year
2014-10-15T06:43:09 < dongs> i once hauled it on a roof to troubleshoot tv/satellite antenna wiring
2014-10-15T06:43:16 < englishman> you should h4x all the options in and charge more
2014-10-15T06:43:29 < jadew> R2COM, you’d be surprised how much is spent on crap by the government
2014-10-15T06:43:53 < jadew> R2COM, bingo
2014-10-15T06:44:26 < dongs> englishman: shit's some filthy DOS machine wiht floppy drives
2014-10-15T06:44:35 < dongs> i dont really wanna dick with it
2014-10-15T06:44:43 < dongs> i did download firmware update but i dont have a working floppy drive
2014-10-15T06:44:51 < englishman> heh
2014-10-15T06:45:01 < englishman> did you replace the rtc lipo
2014-10-15T06:45:11 < dongs> no beacuse the fucking kikes wouldnt sell it to me
2014-10-15T06:45:16 < dongs> i should order that to USA now
2014-10-15T06:45:17 < englishman> aw
2014-10-15T06:45:21 < dongs> and get it together with the other scope
2014-10-15T06:45:46 < dongs> Shipping: $912.12 (approx. JPY 97,919) UPS Worldwide Saver
2014-10-15T06:45:46 < dongs> lul
2014-10-15T06:45:54 < jadew> it’s 2k for me
2014-10-15T06:45:58 < dongs> haha
2014-10-15T06:46:20 < dongs> well im not looking for one
2014-10-15T06:46:31 < dongs> tek has 6ghz analyzer
2014-10-15T06:46:42 < jadew> I am, but I’m not prepared to pay more than $1500 on one (hobby budget)
2014-10-15T06:46:53 < englishman> $1500 for 6g analyuzer
2014-10-15T06:46:54 < jadew> looks like my options are very limited in that price
2014-10-15T06:46:57 < englishman> itl be total shit
2014-10-15T06:46:57 < jadew> no...
2014-10-15T06:47:07 < englishman> hackrf? or the other one, ettus?
2014-10-15T06:47:09 < jadew> I’m looking for 3 Ghz
2014-10-15T06:47:16 < jadew> englishman, shit span
2014-10-15T06:47:24 < jadew> 40 MHz or something
2014-10-15T06:48:27 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, no reason to spend that much time on such a project
2014-10-15T06:48:48 < jadew> very little gain/time ratio
2014-10-15T06:49:05 < jadew> you can learn all that crap in different, more productive ways
2014-10-15T06:49:58 < jadew> I think we have pretty bad ass air defense
2014-10-15T06:50:18 < jadew> including anti-missile shields and crap like that
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2014-10-15T06:51:03 < jadew> I don’t know, I don’t care about this stuff, I just know there was a fuss about it when that happend
2014-10-15T06:52:16 < jadew> we’re in a very crappy position on the map and we’re part of NATO, I think that’s what landed us the shield
2014-10-15T06:52:35 < madist> so how long before Russia invades Romania ?
2014-10-15T06:52:43 < jadew> madist, it won’t happen
2014-10-15T06:53:03 < madist> maintain strategic balance against USA
2014-10-15T06:53:21 < madist> jadew: I'm sure they will try to punish Romania in some way
2014-10-15T06:53:27 < jadew> not what for, but going to war against a NATO country means instant war between ALL NATO countries and the offending one
2014-10-15T06:53:57 < madist> maybe not invade, but give money to dissident groups
2014-10-15T06:54:29 < jadew> madist, we don’t have that kind of stuff in here
2014-10-15T06:54:35 < jadew> we’re very... non patriotic
2014-10-15T06:54:37 < jadew> we don’t give a shit
2014-10-15T06:55:57 < jadew> I’m already bad ass, like chuck norris
2014-10-15T06:56:25 < jadew> notice I was able to write his name in small caps and it didn’t autocapitalize itself
2014-10-15T06:56:40 < jadew> yeah, don’t remind me about it
2014-10-15T06:56:42 < jadew> failstarter
2014-10-15T06:57:16 < jadew> not sure if I should put more time into it or just give up on the idea
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2014-10-15T06:57:33 < jadew> I still think it’s a pretty neat device and that there is a market for it
2014-10-15T06:57:56 < jadew> I have several projects in mind, not all hardware tho
2014-10-15T06:58:21 < jadew> secret until released
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2014-10-15T07:05:06 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/R4Q0Xhi
2014-10-15T07:05:25 < dongs> which one?
2014-10-15T07:05:33 < dongs> i recently got a proper metcal shit off ebay
2014-10-15T07:05:46 < dongs> hakko 888 went to shitheap
2014-10-15T07:06:29 < dongs> unsure. 888/888d is what everyone uses
2014-10-15T07:08:00 < jadew> dongs, is it that much better?
2014-10-15T07:09:35 < dongs> R2COM: in my server room @ 18C
2014-10-15T07:10:46 < jadew> I’m rather happy with the 888, gets hot in about 30 seconds
2014-10-15T07:13:44 < jadew> ok, just found a video on youtube, seems like it gets hot in just a few seconds
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2014-10-15T07:13:56 < jadew> (the metcal in the video)
2014-10-15T07:22:17 < MrMobius> My hakko melts solder at 350 and vaporizes pads at 550. Somehow I think the thermothingy inside is broked.
2014-10-15T07:23:54 < MrMobius> there are those chinese irons+air for $150 or so i think
2014-10-15T07:24:06 < MrMobius> that may not actually burn your house down
2014-10-15T07:24:12 < jadew> yeah but the iron sucks
2014-10-15T07:24:13 < jadew> I have one
2014-10-15T07:24:38 < jadew> the hot air part is fine, it heats up to 300 in a few seconds
2014-10-15T07:24:52 < jadew> but the iron takes a while to catch up with my hakko
2014-10-15T07:25:20 < jadew> (I use them both to quickly desolder small smd components)
2014-10-15T07:27:12 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, that’s why I use two irons instead
2014-10-15T07:27:22 < jadew> I go for the hot air gun when they’re resonably isolated
2014-10-15T07:29:55 < dongs> huh
2014-10-15T07:30:01 < dongs> R2COM: just looks like typical clone of T962 etc
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2014-10-15T07:30:24 < dongs> you think that one has proper fan convection?
2014-10-15T07:33:49 < dongs> so R2COM what doyou think about my provga project. not worth your time, right?
2014-10-15T07:35:46 < dongs> nah i have hardware
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2014-10-15T08:08:22 < jpa-> gxti, PaulFertser: boost tends to bring in iostreams, which brings in locales, which is horrible bloat
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2014-10-15T08:35:13 < akaWolf> jpa-: horrible for using in embedded solutions? or for what?
2014-10-15T08:35:53 < jpa-> well, it's somewhere upwards of 100kB, so too large for most STM32 applications
2014-10-15T08:36:10 < akaWolf> someone using boost in the stm32?
2014-10-15T08:36:11 < akaWolf> really?
2014-10-15T08:36:26 < jpa-> they discussed it yesterday; i have tried it, didn't use
2014-10-15T08:36:47 < PaulFertser> jpa-: what modules did you try?
2014-10-15T08:36:52 < jpa-> stl vectors etc. are fine on stm32, just iostreams is bloat due to locales
2014-10-15T08:36:58 < jadew> there are lots of stuff that can be used stand alone
2014-10-15T08:37:32 < jpa-> PaulFertser: my goal was to use the linear algebra / matrix stuff; but i think i tried some trivial smart pointer class that was header-only to get started, and already ran into trouble
2014-10-15T08:37:43 < akaWolf> I think, that boost is superfluous even in the most not too difficult applications...
2014-10-15T08:37:58 < jpa-> it's just that there isn't a good c++ standard library that could be used in full.. libstdc++ works if you avoid certain parts
2014-10-15T08:37:58 < akaWolf> at PC
2014-10-15T08:38:34 < jpa-> akaWolf: what matrix library would you use, then? i tried all that i could find with non-gpl license :)
2014-10-15T08:38:44 < PaulFertser> jpa-: oh, that's uncool indeed, didn't think it would behave that way.
2014-10-15T08:39:09 < akaWolf> jpa-: I used Intel IPP... :)
2014-10-15T08:40:09 < jpa-> PaulFertser: it just assumes in many places that #include'ing headers that aren't used would be ok.. but seems that just #include <iostreams> and a single reference to std::cout blows up the binary size (maybe there is a way to reconfig libstdc++ without locales and other crap, but that is what happens with the one that comes with gcc-arm-embedded)
2014-10-15T08:40:20 < jpa-> akaWolf: on stm32? ;)
2014-10-15T08:40:30 < akaWolf> jpa-: not, in my apps at PC
2014-10-15T08:40:37 < jpa-> yeah, but this isn't ##pc
2014-10-15T08:44:17 < jadew> jpa-, it might be using streams if it has to do any sorts of lexical casts
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2014-10-15T08:55:36 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/o35/plain   very lovely
2014-10-15T08:57:21 < jpa-> (gc-sections brings it down to just 200kB!)
2014-10-15T08:57:26 < jadew> jpa-, you can probably hunt all the instances in which iostream is included, remove it and then fix the code that relies on stuff from there
2014-10-15T08:57:58 < jpa-> jadew: yes, or i can just not use it.. in this case it was easier to just not use it
2014-10-15T08:58:12 < jpa-> boost source code is something that i do not find joy in reading
2014-10-15T08:58:22 < akaWolf> ))
2014-10-15T08:58:59 < akaWolf> jpa-: so what about lin alg in Cortex-M3?
2014-10-15T08:59:21 < akaWolf> do you find something?
2014-10-15T08:59:28 < akaWolf> usable..
2014-10-15T08:59:31 < jpa-> no, not anything good
2014-10-15T08:59:44 < akaWolf> awwwww..
2014-10-15T09:00:00 < jpa-> dsp lib has something, i made libfixmatrix in another project, but there is nothing comprehensive and good like on pc
2014-10-15T09:00:18 < jpa-> didn't look very deeply into gpl libraries as this was for work project
2014-10-15T09:00:48 < jpa-> ended up writing the few functions i needed manually
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2014-10-15T09:02:36 < akaWolf> luckily, I no need in dsp at MCU :)
2014-10-15T09:03:46 < emeb_mac> dsp is easy
2014-10-15T09:04:03 < akaWolf> yeah: reimplementing the ring
2014-10-15T09:04:11 < emeb_mac> and STM32 is ok for dsp
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2014-10-15T09:07:36 < akaWolf> jpa-: dsp lib from ST?
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2014-10-15T09:08:37 < jpa-> wasn't it from arm? but yeah, anyway
2014-10-15T09:09:45 < akaWolf> jpa-: http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1743/LN1734/PF257901#
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2014-10-15T09:10:43 < jpa-> aren't they just redistributing the cmsis-dsp from arm?
2014-10-15T09:10:57 < akaWolf> don't know, maybe
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2014-10-15T10:42:04 < _abc_> Hello. Can someone please point me at a ST7 oriented forum or channel? It is obsolete but I need to do something with such mcus.
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2014-10-15T10:46:06 < jadew> _abc_: https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/ST7/AllItems.aspx
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2014-10-15T10:50:05 < _abc_> Thanks jadew (mersi...)
2014-10-15T10:51:13 < jadew> np
2014-10-15T10:51:54 < _abc_> You also have an interest in ST7? Do you have a working ST7 capable programmer like a Raisonance-ST thing? In Bucharest?
2014-10-15T10:53:06 < _abc_> jadew: ? ^
2014-10-15T10:53:34 < madiz> _abc_: I think stlink can do ST7
2014-10-15T10:53:52 < _abc_> stvp can do it
2014-10-15T10:54:03 < _abc_> Not sure about stlink, do not have access to one
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2014-10-15T10:54:21 < _abc_> What's a cheap programmer which can do ST7 and is available? All seem to be obsolete.
2014-10-15T10:54:32 < madiz> buy a discovery board. its cheaper than a blowjob.
2014-10-15T10:54:46 < _abc_> The discovery unit uses jtag. ST7 does not do jtag
2014-10-15T10:55:24 < Saigut> is there a tool can burn things to bare metal in linux?
2014-10-15T10:55:49 < Saigut> don.
2014-10-15T10:55:59 < _abc_> don??
2014-10-15T10:56:11 < _abc_> There is but what is bare metal, and for stm32?
2014-10-15T10:56:12 < Saigut> typo, sorry
2014-10-15T10:56:38 < Saigut> yes, for stm32
2014-10-15T10:57:13 < Saigut> and not use jtag, using usb serial converter adapter
2014-10-15T10:57:22 < _abc_> You need a jtag programmer usually.
2014-10-15T10:57:35 < jadew> _abc_, sorry, had to take the trash out
2014-10-15T10:57:40 < _abc_> And some jtags are usb serial as seen from pc side
2014-10-15T10:57:50 < jadew> no, I just know the forum because I have it bookmarked
2014-10-15T10:57:51 < _abc_> jadew: np ;)
2014-10-15T10:58:01 < jadew> I had quite a hard time finding it the first time too (for stm32
2014-10-15T10:58:01 < _abc_> And no programmer available? No jtag?
2014-10-15T10:58:02 < jadew> )
2014-10-15T10:59:28 < Saigut> _abc_: I haven't bought a jtag ice
2014-10-15T10:59:53 < _abc_> Saigut: afaik there are several supported jtag hw's in linux for stm32
2014-10-15T10:59:57 < _abc_> Pick one and use it?
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2014-10-15T11:00:03 < jadew> _abc_, what programming protocol is it using? some proprietary thing?
2014-10-15T11:00:08 < madiz> "ICC protocol"
2014-10-15T11:00:14 < madiz> some proprietary shit
2014-10-15T11:00:18 < _abc_> jadew: it is like SPI but the master is the chip to be programmed
2014-10-15T11:00:21 < _abc_> And it is ISP
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2014-10-15T11:00:32 < jadew> I see
2014-10-15T11:00:41 < _abc_> Crazy shit. Don't know why they use that, it's the worst combination of self booting protocol I ever saw.
2014-10-15T11:00:52 < _abc_> Requires 3 stage booting
2014-10-15T11:01:14 < _abc_> Makes for stringent timing requirements on the programmer too.
2014-10-15T11:01:35 < _abc_> Need to answer a clock edge from device to programmer in 6 cpu clocks at most.
2014-10-15T11:01:43 < jadew> if it’s properly documented you can make your own as a last resort
2014-10-15T11:01:45 < _abc_> Fun when clocked at 16MHz
2014-10-15T11:02:04 < _abc_> It is properly documented but I need to get creative and this is a one time thing, will not waste time on it
2014-10-15T11:02:07 < _abc_> It is OBSOLETE
2014-10-15T11:02:21 < madiz> then dont use it
2014-10-15T11:02:44 < _abc_> Someone made a free open source programmer for ST7 but... you need a ST7 programmed to make it work. Hen and egg?
2014-10-15T11:02:58 < _abc_> madiz: I do not have a choice. Have to make something work.
2014-10-15T11:03:04 < _abc_> Anyway, thanks for the tips.
2014-10-15T11:03:23 < _abc_> madiz: This is not a new project it is for reviving something dead.
2014-10-15T11:05:51 < jadew> I actually wouldn’t mind implementing it for my own repository, but I don’t have any ST7 chips available
2014-10-15T11:06:09 < _abc_> Yes. And you won't have. They are expensive shitty old things.
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2014-10-15T11:06:22 < _abc_> "Implementing" it?
2014-10-15T11:06:30 < _abc_> You mean rewrite from scratch?
2014-10-15T11:06:34 < _abc_> (crazy guy)
2014-10-15T11:06:34 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-15T11:06:52 < _abc_> Just use the existing project eh. Port the firmware to another mcu and it should work as is.
2014-10-15T11:07:26 < _abc_> There used to be a parallel port programmer for ST7 which is so long obsolete everyone seems to think it was an illusion.
2014-10-15T11:07:37 < _abc_> Would be interested in its schematic, probably does not use a mcu at all
2014-10-15T11:07:56 < jadew> most likely, but you’ll deffinitely need the software which did the bitbanging
2014-10-15T11:08:29 < jadew> unless the “programmer” was officially supported
2014-10-15T11:08:30 < _abc_> That is available apparently
2014-10-15T11:08:36 < _abc_> It was! It came from stmicro
2014-10-15T11:08:43 < Saigut> _abc_: I have a question. I use a usb lan connect to my board, and on my board I see the usb lan connect to a module called some what 'usb convert to 232'. Is this the jtag on my board?
2014-10-15T11:08:52 < jadew> ah ha, well, it should be easy enough to figure out the connections I guess
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2014-10-15T11:09:03 < jadew> (if you still have a paralel port available)
2014-10-15T11:09:03 < _abc_> After tedious digging on st.com you will find the obsolete parallel port programmer in the tools list for ST7
2014-10-15T11:09:18 < _abc_> I just told you it is not simple. It is not just "connections".
2014-10-15T11:09:37 < _abc_> The timing is critical. The PC needs to respond with data within 6 clocks of the cpu to be programmed.
2014-10-15T11:09:47 < _abc_> That's about 2usec under some circumstances
2014-10-15T11:09:53 < jadew> well, if it’s not using a MCU (the programmer) then it has to be bitbanged
2014-10-15T11:09:59 < _abc_> Wrong.
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2014-10-15T11:10:04 < _abc_> CMOS and TTL shift registers!
2014-10-15T11:10:14 < _abc_> The photo shows a gaggle of chips on the board
2014-10-15T11:10:22 < jadew> ah
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2014-10-15T11:10:52 < _abc_> Saigut: no, it is likely a usb to serial converter on board. It might also be a programmer.
2014-10-15T11:12:30 < jadew> _abc_, looks like you’re in luck if you’re willing to pay 400 RON + VAT
2014-10-15T11:12:36 < jadew> http://www.tme.eu/ro/details/stx-rlink/programatoare/st-microelectronics/#
2014-10-15T11:12:40 < jadew> it’s the only one left
2014-10-15T11:13:05 < _abc_> yes that works.
2014-10-15T11:13:12 < _abc_> But I want something cheaper.
2014-10-15T11:13:19 < _abc_> It's a one time job.
2014-10-15T11:13:28 < _abc_> Renting/borrowing would work
2014-10-15T11:13:54 < _abc_> Know anyone with a stx-rlink in .ro?
2014-10-15T11:14:00 < jadew> nope, sorry
2014-10-15T11:14:21 < jadew> you can use it and then return it within 10 days or something :P
2014-10-15T11:14:22 < Saigut> _abc_: I have a tool under called stc-isp, it can use that converter download things to board. so I wonder if there a tool like that under linux
2014-10-15T11:14:53 < _abc_> Saigut: There should be.
2014-10-15T11:14:59 < jadew> a bit cheaper here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STX-RLINK-STMicroelectronics-Programming-Debugger-/321544626628?pt=FR_YO_MaisonJardin_Bricolage_ElectroniqueComposants&hash=item4add8da1c4
2014-10-15T11:17:05 < Saigut> _abc_: I have tried minicom, openocd, and urjtag, but unfortunately neither of theme works :/
2014-10-15T11:17:21 < _abc_> Saigut: openocd should work.
2014-10-15T11:17:56 < _abc_> jadew: Do not trust fleabay products which are untested
2014-10-15T11:18:28 < _abc_> Note STR7 is not the same as ST7 family.
2014-10-15T11:18:40 < _abc_> st.com is doing a really good job at product line obfuscation
2014-10-15T11:19:26 < _abc_> Saigut: search for openocd cfg for your programmer, i.e. pl2303 based
2014-10-15T11:19:40 < Saigut> _abc_: I check openocd manual, I found that it support ftdi usb to serial converter, but mine is hl340
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2014-10-15T11:20:03 < _abc_> So search for hl340 openocd cfg online
2014-10-15T11:20:10 < _abc_> it's a text file you can edit
2014-10-15T11:20:21 < PaulFertser> OpenOCD supports rlink in jtag mode.
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2014-10-15T11:20:39 < _abc_> PaulFertser: this is not about the rlink, it's about usb-isp I think
2014-10-15T11:20:48 < PaulFertser> _abc_: wth is that?
2014-10-15T11:20:50 < Saigut> _abc_: maybe my converter is neither pl2303 nor ftdi
2014-10-15T11:21:21 < _abc_> Saigut: Your USB converter has a USB VID:PID. What are those?
2014-10-15T11:21:40 < PaulFertser> Ah, some obscure interface already present on some board. ok...
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2014-10-15T11:22:04 < Saigut> _abc_: I can see its driver is 'ch341-uart' by check dmesg
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2014-10-15T11:23:05 < _abc_> That is not what I asked. What is the VID:PID?
2014-10-15T11:23:09 < _abc_> lsusb -v|less
2014-10-15T11:23:14 < Saigut> _abc_: somewhat like 1a86:7344
2014-10-15T11:23:24 < _abc_> Somewhat like? +/- 0x13?
2014-10-15T11:24:27 < Saigut> _abc_: I only remember 1a86:xxxx, others not sure.
2014-10-15T11:24:36 < _abc_> Could you please look?
2014-10-15T11:25:08 < Saigut> _abc_: very sorry, I am now leave my pc
2014-10-15T11:25:42 < Saigut> I will check that first when I back to pc
2014-10-15T11:25:46 < _abc_> 7523 perhaps?
2014-10-15T11:25:55 < Saigut> maybe
2014-10-15T11:26:33 < Saigut> I checked that on a usb id list
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2014-10-15T11:27:29 < _abc_> Saigut: what company logo is on the board please? Olimex?
2014-10-15T11:27:50 < Saigut> _abc_: Qinheng
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2014-10-15T11:29:22 < Saigut> I know it ids, but I can't determinate if openocd support it :/
2014-10-15T11:29:31 < _abc_> http://www.cesareriva.com/usb-to-serial-converter-hl-340-drivers/ HL340 is one of the illegal PL2303 clones from China. You are out of luck if the linux kernel does not id it properly, it likely has quirks
2014-10-15T11:29:41 < dongs> http://www.thelocal.de/20141014/german-islamist-travels-to-syria-despite-electronic-tag
2014-10-15T11:29:44 < dongs> lol
2014-10-15T11:29:55 < _abc_> So you might have to force a PL2303 mode on openocd and hope it works with the linux kernel
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2014-10-15T11:30:09 < _abc_> Saigut: what does dmesg say when you plug it in please?
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2014-10-15T11:30:38 < dongs> st7 sounds useless
2014-10-15T11:30:43 < _abc_> WTF does Saigut keep dropping out of the channel
2014-10-15T11:30:56 < _abc_> dongs: Is so. But old device uses it and it could work for a few more years.
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2014-10-15T11:31:46 < _abc_> Saigut: you keep dropping out of the channel. Internet problems?
2014-10-15T11:31:52 < _abc_> Did you see my messages to you before?
2014-10-15T11:32:16 < _abc_> http://www.cesareriva.com/usb-to-serial-converter-hl-340-drivers/ HL340 is one of the illegal PL2303 clones from China. You are out of luck if the linux kernel does not id it properly, it likely has quirks
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2014-10-15T11:32:25 < _abc_> So you might have to force a PL2303 mode on openocd and hope it works with the linux kernel
2014-10-15T11:32:30 < _abc_> Saigut: got that?
2014-10-15T11:33:10 < Saigut> _abc_: so it is! I will try again, very thanks
2014-10-15T11:33:50 < _abc_> Saigut: One more thing: DO NOT update windows drivers to PL2303. New PL2303 drivers detect fake PL2303s and lock them out.
2014-10-15T11:34:00 < _abc_> This problem does not exist in Linux.
2014-10-15T11:34:32 < Saigut> _abc_: got
2014-10-15T11:34:40 < Saigut> got all your msgs
2014-10-15T11:35:13 < _abc_> ok
2014-10-15T11:35:18 < Saigut> my phone network very bad
2014-10-15T11:35:31 < _abc_> You sound like you are in some weird country ;) Good luck.
2014-10-15T11:36:36 < Saigut> thanks!
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2014-10-15T12:30:13 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/966383008/coaction-hero-32-bit-open-source-arm-cortex-m3-boa
2014-10-15T12:30:50 < dongs> delivered on time
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2014-10-15T12:31:58 < dongs> hey that used DF9 connectors
2014-10-15T12:34:08 < karlp> that's a lot of software he put together to go all custom
2014-10-15T12:34:17 < karlp> I wonder what it had been used in before?
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2014-10-15T12:34:38 < dongs> https://github.com/CoActionOS/CoActionOS-Public
2014-10-15T12:34:39 < dongs> duno
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2014-10-15T12:34:45 < dongs> it seems to be still sorta develping
2014-10-15T12:35:05 < jpa-> posix style os.. hm
2014-10-15T12:35:23 < dongs> probably not as insane as nuttyX
2014-10-15T12:36:40 < jpa-> i hope
2014-10-15T12:36:50 < dongs> if( mkfs("/home") < 0 ){ perror("Failed to format /home");
2014-10-15T12:39:16 < dongs> if ( lcd_.init("/dev/mlcd0") < 0 ){
2014-10-15T12:39:17 < dongs> haha
2014-10-15T12:39:17 < dongs> oh man
2014-10-15T12:39:23 < dongs> its just as nutty as nuttx
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2014-10-15T12:40:21 < dongs> fd = open("/dev/hio0", O_RDWR); if( ioctl(fd, I_HIO_REPORT, &report) < 0 ){
2014-10-15T12:40:21 < dongs> fff
2014-10-15T12:41:27 < dongs> https://github.com/CoActionOS/CoActionOS-Apps/blob/master/posix/src/pthread_test.c haha it has pthreads
2014-10-15T12:41:41 < jpa-> "This is accomplished not with an MMU but by taking advantage of the advanced hardware features of the ARM Cortex-M3 architecture."  are they saying that MPU is more advanced than MMU?
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2014-10-15T12:44:27 < zyp> it's not like threads requires an MMU
2014-10-15T12:44:50 < zyp> dynamically growing thread stacks does, however
2014-10-15T12:44:57 < jpa-> they have memory isolation for processes, though
2014-10-15T12:45:22 < zyp> that's not hard to do either ;)
2014-10-15T12:45:26 < jpa-> yeah :)
2014-10-15T12:45:51 < jpa-> overall feel is indeed quite nuttx-esque
2014-10-15T12:46:18 < dongs> i wonder why hte fuck that guy went through all that trouble
2014-10-15T12:46:19 < dongs> for 12k
2014-10-15T12:46:23 < dongs> and actually delivered it on time
2014-10-15T12:46:30 < dongs> just seems so unusual
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2014-10-15T12:46:54 < jpa-> based on copyright headers, i think he was trying to sell coactionos before that
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2014-10-15T12:47:21 < dongs> i've never heard of it
2014-10-15T12:47:25 < jpa-> me neither
2014-10-15T12:47:27 < zyp> concoctionos
2014-10-15T12:47:31 < jpa-> probably wasn't very successful :P
2014-10-15T12:47:39 < dongs> CoNspiracyOS
2014-10-15T12:50:00 < karlp> _abc_: ch340/ch341/hl340 is just a usb to serial converter, it doesn't do any jtag ISP programming,
2014-10-15T12:50:40 < karlp> at least, not in the usb-serial mode, the ch341 can be switched to a mode wher eit is usb-spi, which would probably be useful for programming, but it's a pin change, not a software command to change modes.
2014-10-15T12:51:09 < karlp> I don't think Saigut 's problem was finding an openocd config for a ttl uart, it was finding how it's actually programmed.
2014-10-15T12:51:30 < _abc_> hm ok
2014-10-15T12:52:10 < jpa-> looks like traditional ticking kernel
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2014-10-15T12:54:29 < karlp> Saigut_: are you sure the ch340/hl340 interface is the one that is used for _programming_ and not just a uart?
2014-10-15T12:54:38 < karlp> what board is this exactly?
2014-10-15T12:56:09 < _abc_> Quinghao ?? @ karlp
2014-10-15T12:56:09 < Saigut_> karlp: I can't say its name
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2014-10-15T12:56:17 < _abc_> You can't say it's name?!!
2014-10-15T12:56:19 < _abc_> ooo
2014-10-15T12:56:29 < Saigut_> yeh
2014-10-15T12:56:36 < _abc_> You said Quinghao before.
2014-10-15T12:56:42 < karlp> quinghao  is the maker of the ch340, I mean the board you're trying to program
2014-10-15T12:57:12 < Saigut_> not Quinghao, its Qinheng
2014-10-15T12:57:47 < Saigut_> Qinheng is the company of the usb serial converter
2014-10-15T12:58:03 < Saigut_> not the company of the board
2014-10-15T12:58:26 < Saigut_> this board is just for study
2014-10-15T12:59:36 < Saigut_> it even have no brands, lol
2014-10-15T13:00:21 < Saigut_> not like Raspberry, etc
2014-10-15T13:00:43 < karlp> um, is there even an stm32 on this board?
2014-10-15T13:01:03 < Saigut_> yes, it has
2014-10-15T13:01:34 < Saigut_> stm32f103cb
2014-10-15T13:01:37 < karlp> you might just need this then: https://github.com/jsnyder/stm32loader
2014-10-15T13:01:47 < karlp> it might be hooked up expecting to use the rom bootloader
2014-10-15T13:02:11 < karlp> oh,
2014-10-15T13:02:22 < karlp> except, you're going to be shit out of luck on linux, as the bootloader uses even parity.
2014-10-15T13:02:38 < Saigut_> my board is a totaly bare metal
2014-10-15T13:03:09 < karlp> you mean like this? http://web4.hobbylinc.com/gr/k+s/k+s3070.jpg
2014-10-15T13:03:55 < Saigut_> no, lol
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2014-10-15T13:05:01 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pi-top-a-raspberry-pi-laptop-you-build-yourself aids
2014-10-15T13:05:04 < karlp> (that was me saying you're not being very descriptive of your problem, nor what you're trying to achieve)
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2014-10-15T13:06:35 < Saigut_> bare metal means a machine without any program, I means this
2014-10-15T13:06:55 < jadew> lol dongs
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2014-10-15T13:08:34 < jadew> why are all those people backing it?
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2014-10-15T13:08:54 < dongs> because they're idiots
2014-10-15T13:09:06 < dongs> dickstarter is never about doing USEFUL shit
2014-10-15T13:11:02 < dongs> looks liek i better order shitberrypi B+
2014-10-15T13:11:02 < karlp> dongs: that coaction dude is in your field: http://coactionconsulting.com/portfolio/2010/03/15/Portfolio-Kanex/
2014-10-15T13:11:22 < dongs> hah
2014-10-15T13:12:15 < dongs> and beat them to market with lcd shield
2014-10-15T13:12:21 < dongs> y/n/m
2014-10-15T13:12:31 < dongs> cuz $75 is a rip
2014-10-15T13:12:38 < dongs> and my shit already works.
2014-10-15T13:12:51 < dongs> who the fuck sells B+
2014-10-15T13:12:51 < jadew> so kickstart it
2014-10-15T13:13:06 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/integrated-circuits-ics/interface-modules/2557199?k=raspberry%20pi
2014-10-15T13:13:09 < dongs> ahahah
2014-10-15T13:13:10 < jadew> the sooner you hit the market, the better
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2014-10-15T13:13:46 < jadew> what’s that?
2014-10-15T13:13:49 < dongs> wonder if RS has it
2014-10-15T13:13:59 < dongs> i remember i ordered it from RS once
2014-10-15T13:14:01 < dongs> it arrived a year later
2014-10-15T13:14:17 < jadew> what is it?
2014-10-15T13:14:22 < dongs> rscomponetns
2014-10-15T13:14:28 < dongs> cool
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2014-10-15T13:14:29 < dongs> tehy have stock
2014-10-15T13:14:30 < jadew> no, the device you just linked
2014-10-15T13:14:30 < dongs> buying
2014-10-15T13:14:35 < dongs> oh
2014-10-15T13:14:39 < dongs> some trash for raspberrypi
2014-10-15T13:14:50 < dongs> 3940 yen
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2014-10-15T13:15:50 < karlp> Saigut_: the rom bootloader I referred to is included in your "not as bare as you thought" metal.
2014-10-15T13:15:56 < karlp> it's burnt into the stm32 part itself.
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2014-10-15T13:16:18 < karlp> and if you're talking about "bare" then there wouldn't be any usb-serial chips
2014-10-15T13:17:44 < dongs> he wants to program it by placing a swithc on swdclk/swdio
2014-10-15T13:17:46 < dongs> and toggling them
2014-10-15T13:18:28 < dongs> k ordsered
2014-10-15T13:18:44 < karlp> is there a minimum speed for swclk?
2014-10-15T13:18:48 < dongs> no
2014-10-15T13:18:52 < dongs> i think its all state based
2014-10-15T13:18:54 < dongs> just like jtag?
2014-10-15T13:18:56 < karlp> I saw someone using switches to program an avr once,
2014-10-15T13:18:59 < dongs> yeah
2014-10-15T13:19:00 < karlp> insanity
2014-10-15T13:19:09 < dongs> i remember reading that article
2014-10-15T13:19:15 < dongs> itmentioned debouncing
2014-10-15T13:19:20 < karlp> hehe
2014-10-15T13:19:21 < jadew> and they were reading the states with 2 wires on the tongue?
2014-10-15T13:19:26 < dongs> LED i think
2014-10-15T13:19:35 < dongs> oh fuck, thats not bare metal.
2014-10-15T13:19:58 < jadew> what does bare metal means?
2014-10-15T13:20:07 < Saigut_> karlp: My burn program in windows is called stc-isp. this is indeed a isp
2014-10-15T13:20:14 < dongs> writing for <system> without using anything to help with it
2014-10-15T13:20:30 < dongs> so, generally in asm, without libc/etc
2014-10-15T13:20:35 < jadew> got it
2014-10-15T13:20:44 < dongs> and/or raw register access instead of using some stdlib type thing and such
2014-10-15T13:21:37 < Saigut_> karlp: do you have any idea or tools to access that bootloader?
2014-10-15T13:22:11 < Saigut_> I just want burn programs to board under linux
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2014-10-15T13:25:45 < karlp> "is indeed a isp" isn't clear enough
2014-10-15T13:25:57 < karlp> and with no pictures of your board, or schematics, or info on what stc-isp does....
2014-10-15T13:26:43 < karlp> my best thought is that the usb port you presumably have, is connect to a ch340, which is connected to the uart1 tx/rx pins, allowing use of the rom bootloader of the stm32
2014-10-15T13:26:58 < karlp> as I mentioned, that's _not_ going to work on linux, because the ch340 driver is crap.
2014-10-15T13:27:09 < karlp> the booatloder uses even parity, which the driver doesn't support,
2014-10-15T13:27:26 < karlp> but that's only based on me assuming, based on teh very little information you've given about what you're board is actually like.
2014-10-15T13:29:33 < Saigut_> karlp: my board show the usb connect to a module called 'usb convert to 232.
2014-10-15T13:29:51 < Saigut_> karlp: I try to take a photo
2014-10-15T13:30:10 < karlp> so.. if my assumptions were correct above, then yu can read above what my interpretation of your options are...
2014-10-15T13:31:25 < Saigut_> so there no tool under linux to burn this board, right?
2014-10-15T13:32:51 < dongs> need ideas for name for this shit
2014-10-15T13:32:57 < dongs> HATe y/n/m
2014-10-15T13:33:15 < jadew> the hdmi device?
2014-10-15T13:33:18 < dongs> y
2014-10-15T13:33:35 < jadew> sounds too negative
2014-10-15T13:33:39 < jadew> so n
2014-10-15T13:33:55 < jpa-> Saigut_: more like there aren't good drivers for the usb-serial adapter.. if you use some other usb-serial adapter (and make connections to the board) it should work
2014-10-15T13:33:56 < jadew> what else do you have?
2014-10-15T13:34:12 < dongs> i hate pi and related shit. so no idea
2014-10-15T13:34:36 < karlp> Saigut_: no, your problem is the ch340, and as I mentioned, if you really want to hack, you can apply this patch to your ch340 driver: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/106546
2014-10-15T13:34:42 < karlp> but that's a world of pain.
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2014-10-15T13:34:51 < karlp> (like jpa said)
2014-10-15T13:34:51 < dongs> comments.gnome.org
2014-10-15T13:37:28 < Saigut_> (imagein doesn't accept my photo :/)
2014-10-15T13:37:49 < dongs> and i need 5V>12V boost
2014-10-15T13:37:58 < dongs> so fucking lame, beacuse BL will boost 12V again to something else
2014-10-15T13:38:06 < dongs> but noone runs pishit off batteries so who cares.
2014-10-15T13:39:23 < karlp> are you _sure_ you're using stc-isp to program stm32?
2014-10-15T13:40:36 < Saigut_> karlp: in fact not sure
2014-10-15T13:41:19 < Saigut_> karlp: my board can insert 51 mcu as well as stm32
2014-10-15T13:41:31 < karlp> hohoho
2014-10-15T13:42:01 < Saigut_> I have tried pz-isp to burn 51 and stm32
2014-10-15T13:42:21 < Saigut_> it works on both mcp
2014-10-15T13:42:25 < Saigut_> mcu *
2014-10-15T13:43:24 < Saigut_> pz-isp is the self-developt-tool by my board provider
2014-10-15T13:43:40 < karlp> I think you should speak to them about linux support.
2014-10-15T13:44:34 < Saigut_> The manual they says both stc-isp and pz-isp can works, but pz-isp works better
2014-10-15T13:45:04 < Saigut_> they don't give me manual for linux
2014-10-15T13:45:30 < Saigut_> and they seem don't have
2014-10-15T13:46:56 < karlp> man, stcmcu.com is the best website evahh
2014-10-15T13:48:12 < jadew> it’s in jibberish
2014-10-15T13:52:02 < jadew> what’s the character for “mature”?
2014-10-15T13:52:14 < Saigut_> wow, stc like a Chinese company
2014-10-15T13:53:23 < Saigut_> and some part of my board may form it
2014-10-15T13:54:55 < Saigut_> but don't know if it develop the ch340 adapter
2014-10-15T13:56:16 < Saigut_> my the other mcu is stcxxx, but now I am inserting the stm32
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2014-10-15T14:01:27 < Saigut_> karlp, jpa-: still not unstand your words. my usb-serial has been drived by ch431, why this is not good? and if it has a good enough driver, what can I do with it, and then can I use openocd with it?
2014-10-15T14:01:55 < jpa-> it is not good because (according to karlp) the linux driver for it is bad
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2014-10-15T14:02:08 < jpa-> and with a good usb-serial adapter, you could possibly use stm32flash or similar
2014-10-15T14:02:28 < jpa-> not openocd, though, if it is a serial and not a debugger connection
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2014-10-15T14:14:21 < Saigut> jpa-: openocd must works with jtag, right?
2014-10-15T14:14:42 < jpa-> or swd
2014-10-15T14:14:43 < karlp> but, as best we can tell, your board doesn't hve a jtag connection
2014-10-15T14:15:47 < Saigut> karlp: I still don't have a jtag ICE.
2014-10-15T14:19:06 < dongs> PiTTY y/n/m
2014-10-15T14:20:16 < Saigut> there is a 10 pins module on my stm32 mcu, and it marked as JP1, I think this is the jtag interface
2014-10-15T14:21:13 < karlp> well, is it? only you and your documentation can answer that.
2014-10-15T14:21:19 < dongs> it probably is
2014-10-15T14:21:20 < Saigut> Maybe all I need is a jtag ICE, and then I can debug with openocd
2014-10-15T14:22:44 < dongs> sir, waht you need is a cluebat
2014-10-15T14:22:51 < Saigut>  not 10 pins, it's 20 pins
2014-10-15T14:22:53 < dongs> i have some available, for a low price of $19.95 to my paypal acocunt
2014-10-15T14:25:15 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1278932459/employee-salary-calculator
2014-10-15T14:26:30 < Laurenceb> by Glory be to God
2014-10-15T14:26:31 < qyx_> ahy cheap ft232 dongle with MPSSE will do
2014-10-15T14:26:43 < qyx_> or discovery board
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2014-10-15T14:27:55 < karlp> ^ what qyx said, ignore the ch340 usb port completly
2014-10-15T14:30:26 < Saigut_> (stm32 photo: http://imagebin.org/321762)
2014-10-15T14:30:39 < karlp> website contains malware :)
2014-10-15T14:30:53 < Laurenceb> Reported Attack Page!
2014-10-15T14:31:13 < qyx_> not here apparently
2014-10-15T14:31:14 < Saigut_> really?
2014-10-15T14:31:54 < Laurenceb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/15/lohan_cnn/
2014-10-15T14:32:00 < dongs> malwhat
2014-10-15T14:32:14 < qyx_> you can flash over CAN \o/
2014-10-15T14:32:38 < dongs> that board looks fucking pro
2014-10-15T14:32:47 < qyx_> no tvs on canbus :X
2014-10-15T14:32:48 < Thorn> no, the can chip is missing
2014-10-15T14:32:59 < Laurenceb> not as pro as lohan
2014-10-15T14:33:13 < Saigut_> which place you upload your photos?
2014-10-15T14:33:17 < Laurenceb> imgur
2014-10-15T14:33:18 < qyx_> imgur
2014-10-15T14:33:29 < qyx_> wait what
2014-10-15T14:33:32 < qyx_> no decoupling caps?
2014-10-15T14:33:41 < qyx_> or are they hidden on the bottom?
2014-10-15T14:34:53 < Laurenceb> lolwtf
2014-10-15T14:34:58 < Laurenceb> how many connectors
2014-10-15T14:36:00 < qyx_> ds18b20, closing
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2014-10-15T14:38:43 < Saigut__> (my stm32 photo: http://imgur.com/OHLC40n)
2014-10-15T14:38:52 < Saigut__> (my stm32 photo: http://imgur.com/OHLC40n )
2014-10-15T14:39:27 < karlp> yeah, we saw,
2014-10-15T14:39:39 < karlp> and really, you need to have a better network connection if you want to get replies
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2014-10-15T14:41:07 < Saigut> there are too much to explain for my network, lol
2014-10-15T14:42:01 < Saigut> I must upload photos by phone, and copy the internet information by pc
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2014-10-15T14:44:07 < Saigut> And for now, if I want to burn stm32 under, the best way is to buy a jtag ICE, right?
2014-10-15T14:44:20 < Saigut>  under linux *
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2014-10-15T14:44:30 < dongs> haha lunix
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2014-10-15T14:45:53 < dongs> haha shitberry gpio header is 2.54mm???
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2014-10-15T14:48:51 < qyx_> Saigut: buy stm discovery board for $8
2014-10-15T14:49:10 < qyx_> they have stlink debugger on them
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2014-10-15T14:50:31 < Saigut> I find it. The words on the chip of the 'usb convert to 232' module shows it is 'CH340C'.
2014-10-15T14:51:15 < Saigut> And on '232' module is 'MAX232'
2014-10-15T14:53:22 < Saigut> qyx_: ok, I will notice it when I to buy
2014-10-15T14:55:33 < karlp> (then you'll hav eto find the right pins on that 20pin jtag header to use)
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2014-10-15T15:06:07 < Saigut> which ICE I should choose for stm32?
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2014-10-15T15:07:25 < Saigut> ulink, jlink, RealView ICE, or stlink?
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2014-10-15T15:14:25 < dongs> $5 special off ebay or discoery board
2014-10-15T15:14:41 < tkoskine> Saigut: I have Rowley CrossConnect and cheap Olimex USB JTAG. Been quite happy with them.
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2014-10-15T15:18:49 < qyx_> you are asking in a cycle
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2014-10-15T15:46:35 < dongs> ugh
2014-10-15T15:53:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0yEmSdC.png o man im on innovation roll
2014-10-15T15:54:34 < Laurenceb> heh
2014-10-15T15:54:35 < xorm> looks like an rpi?
2014-10-15T15:54:39 < xorm> with a hat
2014-10-15T15:54:40 < Laurenceb> that looks familiar
2014-10-15T15:54:44 < dongs> damn youre quick
2014-10-15T15:54:56 < xorm> the hat has naught on it tho
2014-10-15T15:55:14 < emeryth> anybody used USB CDC code generated by CubeMX?
2014-10-15T16:00:55 < Claude> emeryth, not by myself but a collegue recently run into a bug . described at point 22 here : http://visualgdb.com/tutorials/arm/stm32/usb/
2014-10-15T16:01:46 < Claude> emeryth, but i don't know which version of cubemx he was using , maybe it is fixed by now allready
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2014-10-15T16:08:32 < Cyric> hey guys i am having problems with the usart
2014-10-15T16:08:46 < Cyric> i want to trasmit and receive characters
2014-10-15T16:09:12 < Cyric> the TX is handled in normal mode
2014-10-15T16:09:26 < Cyric> while the RX is using interrupts
2014-10-15T16:10:34 < Cyric> so i initialize the NVIC_InitStructure.NVIC_IRQChannel = USART1_IRQn;
2014-10-15T16:10:44 < Cyric> with the other parameters
2014-10-15T16:11:41 < Cyric> also i disable all the interrupts USART_ITConfig(USART1, USART_IT_XXX , DISABLE);
2014-10-15T16:11:54 < Cyric> exept for the RXNE
2014-10-15T16:12:23 < Cyric> but it doesnt work... it seems that i never get in the interrup handler routine
2014-10-15T16:14:13 < Cyric> any idea why it happens?
2014-10-15T16:15:11 < emeryth> Claude: thanks for the link, I'm trying to run USB CDC on STM32F072, the basic template works at first, but the device stops responding after it receives the first packet with actual CDC data
2014-10-15T16:18:27 < Claude> emeryth, iirc that was exactly the same case my collegue had
2014-10-15T16:20:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XhJe8tF.png dickstarter prototype ready
2014-10-15T16:21:34 < Claude> bitbang AC dongs ?
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2014-10-15T16:22:05 < Claude> you need a level shifter too ...
2014-10-15T16:23:38 < Claude> heh there is fuse in the ac socket , total overengineered
2014-10-15T16:24:15 < jadew> haha dongs
2014-10-15T16:24:59 < jadew> AC shield
2014-10-15T16:25:02 < jadew> might sell
2014-10-15T16:25:34 < dongs> "might"?
2014-10-15T16:25:39 < dongs> its gonna FLY OFF THE SHELVES
2014-10-15T16:25:43 < jadew> it could get used in that shit-top we saw earlier
2014-10-15T16:25:51 < dongs> yes
2014-10-15T16:26:47 < jadew> I’m still baffeled by that btw...
2014-10-15T16:27:13 < jadew> makes no freaking sense
2014-10-15T16:30:20 < jadew> “hey, remember the good old days when we had shit for processing power? let’s go back to that!”
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2014-10-15T16:49:52 < dirty_d> for frequency measurement you want the timer slave mode to be combined reset+trigger mode right?
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2014-10-15T17:17:18 < dirty_d> hmm, this is tricky
2014-10-15T17:20:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-0E2Nxtm6o#t=12 lol
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2014-10-15T17:22:14 < dirty_d> ouch
2014-10-15T17:22:22 < karlp> shouldn't be trying to cross 4 lanes at once
2014-10-15T17:22:30 < dongs> typical female driving
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2014-10-15T17:32:18 < madis_> reddit.com/r/roadcam
2014-10-15T17:32:21 < madis_> enjoy
2014-10-15T17:32:48 < FransWillem> Hi, I have SPI1 set up as slave, with DMA to a data block. What is the appropriate way to reset the data-block to the beginning once chip-select goes low ?
2014-10-15T17:33:31 < FransWillem> Should I be setting an interrupt somehow on SPI1, or an interrupt on DMA, or just an interrupt on the chip-select pin ?
2014-10-15T17:33:41 < dongs> "reset'?
2014-10-15T17:33:59 < dongs> DMA->CMAR or something points to start of your data
2014-10-15T17:35:19 < FransWillem> I'm using the peripheral library, and I've set memorybaseaddr to my buffer, and set DMA_MemoryInc_Enable, and it works fine once, however I'd like it to start at the beginning of the buffer at each new SPI transfer.
2014-10-15T17:35:35 < dongs> yes
2014-10-15T17:35:40 < dongs> so in your DMA_TC interrupt
2014-10-15T17:35:47 < dongs> disable DMA, then set it again
2014-10-15T17:35:51 < dongs> then re-enable DMA
2014-10-15T17:36:02 < dongs> set it again -> set the memoryaddress
2014-10-15T17:36:38 < FransWillem> Hmm, I'm afraid that might not fire when the buffer is not completely filled
2014-10-15T17:37:33 < gxti> if you want it to stop other times then stop it when you want it to stop
2014-10-15T17:38:05 < FransWillem> ideally I'd just like to have it set the CMAR register once chip-select goes low
2014-10-15T17:38:26 < dongs> youll have to do it when it goes high, instead
2014-10-15T17:39:09 < FransWillem> Hmm, I guess my question is: DMA_TC, does it trigger when the buffer is full, or when chip-select goes high?
2014-10-15T17:39:32 < dongs> step and find out
2014-10-15T17:39:47 < gxti> DMA doesn't know anything about chip select.
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2014-10-15T17:41:38 < FransWillem> So seeing as DMA doesn't know anything about chip select, and SPI doesn't expose any useful interrupts, I guess I should just attach a GPIO interrupt to the NSS pin. Is that possible when it's also used by the SPI peripheral ?
2014-10-15T17:42:22 < gxti> sure.
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2014-10-15T18:41:37 < Hydra> sweet
2014-10-15T18:41:41 < Hydra> new channel love!
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2014-10-15T18:59:09 < GargantuaSauce> we will set that straight soon enough
2014-10-15T19:00:34 < ReadError> dongs run dis bitch
2014-10-15T19:00:59 < englishman> unfunny troll alert
2014-10-15T19:01:19 < Laurenceb> the british are coming
2014-10-15T19:01:22 < Laurenceb> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
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2014-10-15T19:04:34 < GargantuaSauce> i love the huge northern loop
2014-10-15T19:04:38 < GargantuaSauce> projection failure
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2014-10-15T19:06:56 < Tectu> main.c:41:5: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
2014-10-15T19:06:58 < Tectu> fun is about to start.
2014-10-15T19:07:11 < dongs> stop writing shitty code
2014-10-15T19:07:21 < Tectu> chibios/Rt official demo code.
2014-10-15T19:07:32 < dongs> dont see how that changes what i said
2014-10-15T19:11:20 < karlp> how long has that b64 been in the air for now?
2014-10-15T19:11:30 < karlp> doesn't the bag leak out eventually?
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2014-10-15T19:14:26 < englishman> wait, that thing has circumnavigated 6 times?
2014-10-15T19:16:04 < qyx_> something like that
2014-10-15T19:16:37 < qyx_> lol wut online again
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2014-10-15T19:16:41 < Laurenceb> yeah
2014-10-15T19:16:46 < Laurenceb> 96days airborne
2014-10-15T19:16:48 < qyx_> 95 days
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2014-10-15T20:30:40 < dirty_d> the short lead on a capacitor is always negative right?
2014-10-15T20:36:33 < gxti> never say always
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2014-10-15T20:37:52 < gxti> for but all practical purposes, yes
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2014-10-15T20:41:48  * zyp cuts the positive lead shorter
2014-10-15T20:42:07 < akaWolf> zyp: you are so strong!
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2014-10-15T20:51:57 < dirty_d> ok
2014-10-15T20:52:28 < dirty_d> i need to figure out how I'm going to send the ignition signal to the stm32
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2014-10-15T20:53:10 < dirty_d> i think i could just take the output from the CDI trigger coil to a diode then resistor, then 3v zener to ground right?
2014-10-15T20:53:24 < dirty_d> and maybe a small capacitor
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2014-10-15T21:36:09 < _Sync_> dirty_d: that's how a lot of old ecus do it
2014-10-15T21:38:03 < dirty_d> ok
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2014-10-15T21:41:32  * ds2 shakes fists at duckduckgo again
2014-10-15T21:42:02 < PaulFertser> ds2: what's wrong with it?
2014-10-15T21:42:49 < ds2> it is not returning results that i asked for
2014-10-15T21:43:07 < bvernoux> does anyone use STM32Cube drivers ?
2014-10-15T21:43:16 < ds2> numbers are ignored unless i quote the hell out of it
2014-10-15T21:43:30 < bvernoux> as they seems not bad with different mode manage DMA or No DMA ...
2014-10-15T21:43:42 < ds2> bvernoux: ST used it at the seminar
2014-10-15T21:44:01 < bvernoux> I will probably switch on latest version to
2014-10-15T21:44:11 < bvernoux> and licence is not so bad
2014-10-15T21:44:31 < ds2> even with quoting it still doesn't seem like it is returning the requested results
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2014-10-15T21:50:24 < _Sync_> but they usually have a high voltage zener infront of a resistive devider to protect it dirty_d
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2014-10-15T21:51:45 < dirty_d> why a high voltage zener?
2014-10-15T21:51:58 < dirty_d> the trigger pulse voltage is like 5 - 10v i think
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2014-10-15T22:12:07 < dirty_d> the TIM2_CH1_ETR pins can be used for regular capture right?
2014-10-15T22:12:41 < gxti> yes
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2014-10-15T22:14:18 < dirty_d> so all the ETR timer pins do the same things the otehrs do, plus being able to drive the timer from an external source?
2014-10-15T22:14:40 < gxti> CH1 and ETR are separate functions, they just happen to be coresident on some timers
2014-10-15T22:14:58 < gxti> others have a ETR pin that is not also a channel
2014-10-15T22:16:14 < dirty_d> ok
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2014-10-15T22:24:50 < karlp> superbia's drone attack on the albania/serbia match is on the news here tonight
2014-10-15T22:27:15 < Steffanx> Yeah here too, apparently it's really a big thing
2014-10-15T22:28:36 < Steffanx> The defeat of dutchland wasn't on the news karlp?
2014-10-15T22:29:09 < gxti> so all flying things are drones now i see
2014-10-15T22:29:15 < Steffanx> (more boring soccer news)
2014-10-15T22:29:49 < gxti> kickball
2014-10-15T22:30:12 < Steffanx> real football, gxti
2014-10-15T22:30:29 < karlp> Steffanx: yes, that was on news in other countries too :)
2014-10-15T22:30:41 < karlp> I tried poking you abou tit at the time too :)
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2014-10-15T22:32:15 < Laurenceb_> heh its front page news in UK
2014-10-15T22:33:22 < karlp> yeah, go iceland ;)
2014-10-15T22:33:38 < karlp> (I'm sur eyu  mean the drone, but iceland beating holland is mroe important, honest)
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2014-10-16T03:42:17 < dongs> ready and innovating
2014-10-16T03:44:36 < GargantuaSauce> wat are you innovating today
2014-10-16T03:46:03 < dongs> dickstarter
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2014-10-16T04:40:20 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/UnfinishedRegalBoutu
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2014-10-16T06:45:50 < dongs> innovating for my dickstarter
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2014-10-16T06:50:50 < englishman> rageberrypi million dollar idea
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2014-10-16T06:53:28 < dongs>  < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XhJe8tF.png dickstarter prototype ready
2014-10-16T06:54:20 < GargantuaSauce> lool
2014-10-16T06:54:27 < GargantuaSauce> pi baker?
2014-10-16T06:54:30 < dongs> y
2014-10-16T06:54:43 < dongs> i havent added level shifter yet
2014-10-16T06:54:49 < dongs> thats a stretch goal
2014-10-16T06:56:18 < englishman> what about 7seg display
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2014-10-16T07:01:24 < emeb_mac> dongs: did you see that the latest esp8266 firmware can update itself "from the cloud"?
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2014-10-16T07:01:37 < dongs> R2COM: yes
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2014-10-16T07:14:20 < reportingsjr> I'm trying to use CMSIS for an stm32 discovery-VL board. I believe I have the correct header files (stm32f10x.h, plus a few of the CMSIS) and system_stm32f10x.c being compiled in with the project, but when I try to program the eval board with gdb the board does not blink the LED at all like it is supposed to. Here is the c that I am using: https://gist.github.com/reportingsjr/4e3696c565000a31bd0c
2014-10-16T07:14:54 < reportingsjr> the com LED on the eval board blinks when I am programming and it says successfully programmed so I am sure that my code is incorrect and it is being programmed correctly.
2014-10-16T07:15:26 < dongs> volatile int delay
2014-10-16T07:15:32 < reportingsjr> I also tried just setting the LED permanently on rather than blinking (it is currently blinking very fast) and nothing
2014-10-16T07:15:49 < reportingsjr> dongs: note taken, but that shouldn't effect the LED blinking, right?
2014-10-16T07:16:00 < dongs> it should, if that for loop never happens
2014-10-16T07:16:24 < reportingsjr> I tried setting the LED permanently on outside of those for loops (just in the for(;;)) and it didn't turn on.
2014-10-16T07:16:35 < dongs> bust out debugger?
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2014-10-16T07:26:06 < reportingsjr> hmm, I tried setting a breakpoint on the loop and it doesn't do anything
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2014-10-16T07:47:23 < reportingsjr> huh, when I say continue and gdb should tell me where I am in the program it just gives me garbage like this: 0x33034806 in ?? ()
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2014-10-16T07:58:27 < reportingsjr> hmmm, looks like possibly an st-link programming issue
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2014-10-16T08:46:32 < dongs> omg my raspberrypi b+ shipped
2014-10-16T08:49:57 < emeb_mac> yay?
2014-10-16T08:50:46 < GargantuaSauce> i just bought a tk1
2014-10-16T08:50:55 < GargantuaSauce> i hope it will render all my other soc breakouts obsolete
2014-10-16T08:50:57 < dongs> ive had one for like half a year
2014-10-16T08:51:00 < dongs> its worthless
2014-10-16T08:51:05 < dongs> havent even turned it on
2014-10-16T08:51:21 < GargantuaSauce> lol why do you say that
2014-10-16T08:51:30 < dongs> 1) lunix 2) what the fuck do you actually do wiht it?
2014-10-16T08:51:35 < GargantuaSauce> k
2014-10-16T08:51:37 < dongs> i was going to make a displayport breakout board for it
2014-10-16T08:51:42 < dongs> asked on their "forum"
2014-10-16T08:51:44 < dongs> nobody has any clue
2014-10-16T08:51:49 < dongs> forum is full of fucktards asking HOW DO I CUDA
2014-10-16T08:52:01 < dongs> WHAT IS UBUNTU 13.37 "RAGING BONER"
2014-10-16T08:52:18 < GargantuaSauce> the documentation states that the graphics interface on the 2mm header isnt even tested
2014-10-16T08:52:24 < dongs> right
2014-10-16T08:52:30 < GargantuaSauce> which is pretty funny
2014-10-16T08:52:33 < dongs> not shocking
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2014-10-16T10:37:19 < dongs> is there any reason i shouldn't put a 27mhz xtal on backside of pcb with vias to pins?
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2014-10-16T11:20:13 < akaWolf> dongs: you can get noise in other components in your device from osc
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2014-10-16T12:51:47 < Fleck> dongs: how do you wire encoders? What resistor values you use etc?
2014-10-16T12:52:33 < dongs> encoders? like knob thingyZ?
2014-10-16T12:52:44 < Fleck> yes
2014-10-16T12:52:47 < dongs> i think i just used 10k/0.1uF to debounce on last thing I did with it
2014-10-16T12:53:02 < Fleck> http://i.stack.imgur.com/XLIQU.jpg
2014-10-16T12:53:03 < Fleck> ?
2014-10-16T12:53:19 < dongs> thats a lot of shit
2014-10-16T12:53:23 < Fleck> ;p
2014-10-16T12:53:43 < Fleck> just 10k pullups and 0.1uF ?
2014-10-16T12:53:51 < dongs> lemem find pic
2014-10-16T12:53:56 < Fleck> thanks
2014-10-16T12:54:44 < Fleck> 2nd resistors are for filtering I think...
2014-10-16T12:54:51 < karlp> reportingsjr: one other thing, you never actually explicitly set the CNFbits to 0, you keep whatever was in the CRH reg with your mask, then set the MODE bits for speed.  (note the reset value in the ref man is 0x4 for each nibble, so it's in input floating at reset,
2014-10-16T12:55:01 < dongs> actaully uh.. i guess its same shit i did. i just did r/c on every pin.
2014-10-16T12:55:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hmOJSMd.png
2014-10-16T12:55:29 < karlp> then you set the MODE to output 2mhz, which makes the CNF become output open drain, not output push pull as you may have intended.
2014-10-16T12:55:33 < Fleck> ok, thanks dongs!
2014-10-16T12:55:56 < dongs> ^ this works, production tested etc. no guarantee if its correct but users havent complained yet :)
2014-10-16T12:56:24 < Fleck> good to know! Saving picture...
2014-10-16T12:57:11 < karlp> what's the "click" output do?
2014-10-16T12:57:27 < dongs> karlp: its like pushbutton on the encoder
2014-10-16T12:57:34 < karlp> ah, thanks.
2014-10-16T12:57:36 < dongs> its a knob/pushbutton combo
2014-10-16T12:57:45 < dongs> standard pinout... those are very common
2014-10-16T12:58:39 < Fleck> yep, I have the same encoder with button
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2014-10-16T15:38:30 < Thorn> http://www.proxdynamics.com/products/pd-100-black-hornet-prs
2014-10-16T15:38:50 < Thorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o7mRg74qcY
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2014-10-16T15:47:13 < dongs>  http://i.imgur.com/c1yHiyO.png innovating
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2014-10-16T15:48:07 < Thorn> pin 15 should be pin 88
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2014-10-16T15:50:25 < dongs> haha
2014-10-16T16:00:06 < Cyric> guys but hardware flow control RTS it use the RTS of the USART (CTS of the device) right?
2014-10-16T16:00:51 < Cyric> USART_HardwareFlowControl_RTS
2014-10-16T16:13:02 < madist> In the second row ("6R-E13") what is written in the 4th and 6th(leftmost) columns ?
2014-10-16T16:13:09 < madist> http://www.railce.com/cw/casc/tubelist/rxtube/6rdhv2.jpg
2014-10-16T16:17:31 < aadamson> http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/computing/hardware/make-it-so-open-source-arduinobased-tricorder-nears-completion-
2014-10-16T16:18:02 < Cyric> thorn do you work for them?
2014-10-16T16:22:24 < Thorn> lolno
2014-10-16T16:23:26 < karlp> man, htu21d is a pricy temp/humi part, wonder why not sht21, same package, same operation, 33% of the price
2014-10-16T16:23:43 < madist> SHTxx are all shite
2014-10-16T16:24:03 < madist> oops. sorry ignore that.
2014-10-16T16:24:13 < madist> I was thinking of DHTxx.
2014-10-16T16:24:56 < karlp> indeed,
2014-10-16T16:25:13 < karlp> the DHT top end ones are ok, but you're not saving much.
2014-10-16T16:25:22 < reportingsjr> karlp: wait, setting it to 2MHz puts it in output open drain mode?
2014-10-16T16:26:00 < karlp> reportingsjr: no, I mean there's both mode and conf bits, and you only | in 0x2 with the existing value, you don't _set_ 0x2
2014-10-16T16:26:14 < karlp> os if the reset value is 0x4, you get 0x6, not 0x2 like you thought you might
2014-10-16T16:26:34 < reportingsjr> karlp: I set the last four bits to 0 first and then OR the 0x2
2014-10-16T16:26:47 < reportingsjr> so the whole thing becomes 0xFFFFFFF2, right?
2014-10-16T16:27:23 < karlp> oh right, yeah, your mask is doing the right thing there I guess.
2014-10-16T16:27:24 < reportingsjr> karlp: that's what the first (GPIOC->CRH & 0xFFFFFFF0) does
2014-10-16T16:27:36 < karlp> the volatile hint from dongs should hve helped.
2014-10-16T16:27:51 < reportingsjr> it didn't change my problem
2014-10-16T16:29:31 < karlp> then I doubt your programming is working, because that's virtually exactly what the libopencm3 miniblink example is for the vl disco board
2014-10-16T16:30:22 < reportingsjr> ok
2014-10-16T16:31:09 < karlp> you normally see people do set_led() forloopwith__asm__("nop"), not setled*100000, but shouldn't change anything reallllly I guess.
2014-10-16T16:31:20 < karlp> especially given that you were saying you couldn't even just turn the led hard on :)
2014-10-16T16:31:41 < karlp> if turning the led hard on isn't working, either your board has got some unexpected wirings on it, or you're simply not getting it programmed
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2014-10-16T16:37:47 < madist> presume it isn't anything obvious like having a blue LED ?
2014-10-16T16:38:21 < madist> hmm. there is a blue LED on the discovery board. I wonder how that works.
2014-10-16T16:38:30 < karlp> what do you mean?
2014-10-16T16:38:58 < madist> blue LEDs need more than 3V to turn on, so it shouldn't work on a 3.3V MCU
2014-10-16T16:40:59 < karlp> well, _all_ the disco boards have blue leds on them. so.... you cannotz be right
2014-10-16T16:43:30 < madist> yep. just looked at the datasheet. 2.5 to 2.9V is the minimum voltage.
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2014-10-16T17:03:34 < dirty_d> a * (1 / b) will take less clock cycles than a / b where (1 / b) is a compile time constant right?
2014-10-16T17:04:13 < dirty_d> divide is up to 14 cycles and multiply is up to 3 i think
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2014-10-16T17:39:42 < _Sync_> dongs: which display do you use on that thing you showed earlier, I'm looking for some reasonable brightness ones
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2014-10-16T17:48:38 < karlp> dirty_d: compiler should be able to do maths rule optimizations too if they're compile time constant
2014-10-16T17:49:53 < dirty_d> ok
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2014-10-16T17:53:56 < dongs> _Sync_: the assberrypi thing?
2014-10-16T17:54:38 < dongs> i tried N133HSE-EA1 and N116HSE-EA1 they're both about same
2014-10-16T17:54:53 < dongs> they're around 350cd or whatever
2014-10-16T17:55:57 < dongs> bedtime
2014-10-16T17:59:31 < _Sync_> hmm
2014-10-16T17:59:43 < _Sync_> too large :/
2014-10-16T18:00:33 < Laurenceb> ODG's Augmented Reality Eyewear Delivers Information at the Speed of Sight
2014-10-16T18:00:34 < Laurenceb> omg
2014-10-16T18:00:50 < _Sync_> o0
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2014-10-16T20:32:27 < dirty_d> wow, QtCreator is actually really nice
2014-10-16T20:32:37 < Tectu> it is
2014-10-16T20:32:51 < dirty_d> the clang code model is great
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2014-10-16T20:34:35 < dirty_d> hmm, it thinks pointers are 64 bits since my machine is, but the code is for 32-bit arm, I wonder if theres any way to fix that.
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2014-10-16T20:55:55 < qyx_> with properly setting target architecture?
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2014-10-16T21:12:13 < Thorn> last time I used qt creator the clang code model was highlighting lots of nonexistent errors in my code
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2014-10-16T21:19:53 < Steffanx> 10 years ago Thorn?
2014-10-16T21:20:26 < Thorn> probably 3 montths ago
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2014-10-16T22:14:04 < karlp> heh, i2c code from the other day isn't working now.  probably wasn't properly tested with power cycling things :)
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2014-10-16T22:49:01 < dirty_d> how should i send floating point numbers over uart?
2014-10-16T22:49:14 < dirty_d> right now im sending text and sprintf/sscanf
2014-10-16T22:49:23 < dirty_d> but that makes my binary like 50k
2014-10-16T22:49:48 < jpa-> you can send as binary
2014-10-16T22:50:16 < jpa-> or protobuf ;)
2014-10-16T22:50:31 < dirty_d> i was thinking about that
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2014-10-16T22:52:18 < dirty_d> atof is probably a lot more more lightweight than sscanf
2014-10-16T22:52:42 < jpa-> atleast somewhat more lightweight, depending on implementation
2014-10-16T22:53:22 < dirty_d> i dont think there is a coresponding float -> string though
2014-10-16T22:53:32 < dirty_d> theres to_string, but thats a std::string
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2014-10-16T22:54:22 < jpa-> nope, sprintf is the standard function for that
2014-10-16T22:54:37 < jpa-> there are some custom ftoa() implementations online probably
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2014-10-16T22:55:02 < jpa-> they can be light, especially if you don't need to support exponent notation or denormalized numbers
2014-10-16T22:55:18 < dirty_d> sprintf or sscanf is bringing in a crapload of other dependencies
2014-10-16T22:55:44 < jpa-> yes, they tend to do that
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2014-10-16T22:56:10 < dirty_d> i guess i could just write my own
2014-10-16T22:56:37 < jpa-> remember to make a good test set
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2014-10-16T22:57:49 < dirty_d> getting rid of sscanf/sprintf brought it from 50k to 16k
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2014-10-16T22:59:33 < qyx_> or just transfer it as 4 bytes
2014-10-16T22:59:43 < jpa-> aka binary
2014-10-16T22:59:49 < qyx_> ieee floating point standard is quite standardized
2014-10-16T22:59:59 < qyx_> hm, yes
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2014-10-16T23:02:44 < dirty_d> my only concern with that was that the bluetooth modules recognizes AT commands
2014-10-16T23:03:29 < dirty_d> and the off chance the binary data happens to match the command
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2014-10-16T23:04:55 < jpa-> you could encode it as hex
2014-10-16T23:05:08 < dirty_d> i think i am just going to do that
2014-10-16T23:08:10 < dirty_d> the endianness would match that of an integer type on the same platform?
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2014-10-16T23:12:49 < reportingsjr> does anyone have a working elf file for the stm32vldiscovery board that I could use to test my board?
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2014-10-16T23:15:44 < reportingsjr> nvm, found one
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2014-10-16T23:21:10 < karlp> reportingsjr: the libopencm3-examples repo has a bunch of them for the vl discovery board.
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2014-10-16T23:24:57 < ds2> do any vendors specify skew between pins of the same GPIO bank? if so, what's the spec they call it thesedays?
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2014-10-16T23:36:52 < bvernoux> karlp: I would recommend stm32cube lib/example ;)
2014-10-16T23:37:07 < bvernoux> karlp: I have checked the API and example is it is really good library !!
2014-10-16T23:37:16 < bvernoux> -is
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2014-10-16T23:39:41 < jpa-> stm32cube is good? eh, hard to believe
2014-10-16T23:39:58 < bvernoux> yes me too I was sceptic
2014-10-16T23:40:04 < bvernoux> but they have done a great work
2014-10-16T23:40:23 < bvernoux> and the license is not bad
2014-10-16T23:40:29 < bvernoux> at least for HAL driver
2014-10-16T23:40:48 < bvernoux> I do not speak about 3rd party stuff which are commercial ...
2014-10-16T23:40:49 < gxti> more like septic amirite
2014-10-16T23:41:20 < bvernoux> I will even use it in my development
2014-10-16T23:41:33 < bvernoux> especially it support 3 modes polling, IT & DMA
2014-10-16T23:41:36 < bvernoux> for all peripherals
2014-10-16T23:42:08 < bvernoux> the must will be to have 3 separate file for each mode but it is not really blocking
2014-10-16T23:42:37 < bvernoux> STM32CubeMX is amazing too ;)
2014-10-16T23:42:47 < bvernoux> with realtime power consumption depending on device/feature enabled
2014-10-16T23:42:54 < bvernoux> very nice ;)
2014-10-16T23:43:39 < bvernoux> at least good to use to planify functions on new project with a very nice interface which manage conflicts ...
2014-10-16T23:44:42 < ds2> on a different thing, if you had to pick a stm32 to bitbang NTSCvideo, which member would you choose?
2014-10-16T23:45:08 < bvernoux> NTSC is 3xMHz ?
2014-10-16T23:45:15 < bvernoux> 38Mhz or something like that right ?
2014-10-16T23:45:42 < ds2> welll
2014-10-16T23:45:48 < ds2> color burst is at 3.57MHz
2014-10-16T23:45:52 < bvernoux> ha ok ;)
2014-10-16T23:46:00 < ds2> but signal bw is under 6MHz
2014-10-16T23:46:12 < ds2> it has been done on PIC and MSP430's
2014-10-16T23:46:33 < ds2> I have it working on a 200MHz risc core but want to look at something else
2014-10-16T23:46:59 < bvernoux> why not to use STM3F4x9 with integrated LCD & DMA2D instead ?
2014-10-16T23:47:08 < bvernoux> it will cost 0% CPU ;)
2014-10-16T23:47:40 < bvernoux> and it support resolution of up to 1024*768 ...
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2014-10-16T23:48:34 < qyx_> does it support color palletes?
2014-10-16T23:49:09 < bvernoux> qyx_: what LCD interface ?
2014-10-16T23:49:33 < bvernoux> i just know it support tons of mode and even conversion in hw
2014-10-16T23:49:47 < qyx_> yep, "indexed" mode
2014-10-16T23:49:55 < bvernoux> but it is mandatory to add SDRAM to store picture ...
2014-10-16T23:50:05 < qyx_> thats the cause i am asking
2014-10-16T23:50:07 < bvernoux> else internal SRAM will be full quickly ;)
2014-10-16T23:50:19 < qyx_> 640x480 & 4bpp would be doable with SRAM
2014-10-16T23:50:30 < bvernoux> but i recommend SDRAM
2014-10-16T23:50:37 < bvernoux> as the controller support DMA in it
2014-10-16T23:50:43 < bvernoux> with 0% CPU overhead
2014-10-16T23:50:47 < bvernoux> with dedicated bus too
2014-10-16T23:52:06 < bvernoux> I have a benchmark which runs on my STM32F4 Discovery with LCD
2014-10-16T23:54:01 < bvernoux> bench 320*240 = 422FPS ;)
2014-10-16T23:54:36 < bvernoux> with MCU@168Mhz and using DMA2D => SDRAM => TFT LCD
2014-10-16T23:54:48 < bvernoux> it is 123MB/s ;)
2014-10-16T23:55:05 < bvernoux> or 64.87millions Pixel/s
2014-10-16T23:56:26 < bvernoux> its 4fps on latest 5K Retina with 14.7Million Pixels ;)
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2014-10-17T00:17:44 < ds2> find me a 0.75" screen
2014-10-17T00:17:52 < ds2> along with optics for it
2014-10-17T00:19:13 < qyx_> buy-display
2014-10-17T00:19:49 < qyx_> they have oleds and stn < 1"
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2014-10-17T00:24:54 < Laurenceb_> old camcorder
2014-10-17T00:25:03 < Laurenceb_> old school mini CRT one
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2014-10-17T00:32:48 < ds2> the miniCRTs are NTSC, AFAIK
2014-10-17T00:32:58 < ds2> which is the reason why I wanted to generate NTSC
2014-10-17T00:33:09 < ds2> btw - any good surplus sources for view finders?
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2014-10-17T00:35:10 < GargantuaSauce> surplusshed has a lot of optics, not sure if their prices are any good though
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2014-10-17T00:53:47 < ds2> not just optics but the assembly with miniscreen
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2014-10-17T00:57:31 < qyx_> uhm, you meant different kind of screen
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2014-10-17T04:58:59 < dirty_d> this system is on its last legs
2014-10-17T04:59:26 < dirty_d> gotta get another one up soon, shes coming apart at the seams
2014-10-17T04:59:49 < dirty_d> i guess im hitting that flash drive write limit
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2014-10-17T05:36:54 < dongs> troll
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2014-10-17T05:51:25 < dongs> so AMD card is here
2014-10-17T05:51:34 < dongs> faster than NVS510 in altium layout/3d
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2014-10-17T06:44:29 < gxti> much pro very fps
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2014-10-17T07:02:11 < englishman> R2COM: same costume he wears every other day of the year, hitler stasch and combover
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2014-10-17T07:44:22 < englishman> no idea
2014-10-17T07:44:29 < englishman> probably pooping on a golden crapper
2014-10-17T07:45:13 < englishman> you mean pub fights?
2014-10-17T07:45:23 < englishman> yes ofc
2014-10-17T07:45:25 < englishman> and stabbings
2014-10-17T07:45:35 < englishman> england's greatest export
2014-10-17T07:48:18 < englishman> what town is that
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2014-10-17T12:37:51 < dongs> earth to jef79m fix your shit
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2014-10-17T12:39:28 < dongs> < Laurenceb> http://www.digikey.co.uk/short/73dnr8
2014-10-17T12:39:29 < dongs> wut
2014-10-17T12:39:45 < dongs> social networking for parts ordering?
2014-10-17T12:39:46 < Laurenceb>  "Internal server error"
2014-10-17T12:39:52 < dongs> works here
2014-10-17T12:39:56 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-10-17T12:40:04 < dongs> Pricing is valid for this Web ID until 16/11/2014 if you place your order online
2014-10-17T12:40:06 < Laurenceb> accountless carts
2014-10-17T12:40:07 < dongs> looks like some cart with shit in it
2014-10-17T12:40:16 < Laurenceb> hmm at least it exists
2014-10-17T12:40:18 < Laurenceb> F5 time
2014-10-17T12:40:28 < dongs> can I click checkout
2014-10-17T12:40:31 < dongs> and charge your card for it
2014-10-17T12:40:35 < Laurenceb> no
2014-10-17T12:40:40 < Laurenceb> it will only charge you
2014-10-17T12:40:52 < Laurenceb> it duplicated my cart
2014-10-17T12:41:00 < dongs> hey those murata coils, ive got those
2014-10-17T12:41:08 < jef79m> dongs. fixed. sorry.
2014-10-17T12:41:30 < PeterM> phwoah... buy those 0.1" headers else where...
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2014-10-17T14:33:41 < Laurenceb> why trance is gay
2014-10-17T14:33:43 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bboe1FRs2nI&feature=player_detailpage#t=234
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2014-10-17T14:38:05 < gnomad> I've always found it odd that music moves from the gay clubs to mainstream pop before becoming "gay"
2014-10-17T14:38:56 < Steffanx> hah, gnomad :D
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2014-10-17T14:52:28 < qyx_> lol external mac keyboard is not working after update
2014-10-17T14:52:50 < qyx_> but it works when used over usb extension cableň
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2014-10-17T14:55:36 < emeryth> USB is magic
2014-10-17T15:01:23 < qyx_> hm, it may not be related to the software, if you play with the connector long enough, it starts to work
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2014-10-17T15:02:57 < gnomad> sometimes music helps to get them in the mood, too.
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2014-10-17T15:12:14 < dongs> qyx_: random USB keyboard never worked on this macmini I got
2014-10-17T15:12:23 < dongs> on reboot, it popst up "no keyboard found" shit and i need to replug it
2014-10-17T15:12:25 < dongs> fuck apple
2014-10-17T15:12:34 < dongs> it probably only works with their dumb magic genius keyobard shit
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2014-10-17T15:46:07 < qyx_> dongs: this is their dumb magic genius keyboard
2014-10-17T15:48:20 < dongs> then youre fucked
2014-10-17T15:48:24 < dongs> upgrade to 27" 5k imac asap
2014-10-17T15:48:28 < dongs> your shit is too old
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2014-10-17T17:00:01 < dongs> where's innovation chat
2014-10-17T17:02:16 < Laurenceb> furiously innovating
2014-10-17T17:02:28 < Laurenceb> need to wipe the innovation off my keyboard
2014-10-17T17:02:45 < dongs> laff
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2014-10-17T17:42:46 < Laurenceb> http://www.mathworks.co.uk/cmsimages/63585_wl_91751v00_tue_fig3_wl.jpg
2014-10-17T17:42:48 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-10-17T17:44:07 < scrts_w> fifa on matlab
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2014-10-17T17:50:09 < Cyric> guys an easy question
2014-10-17T17:51:14 < Cyric> what is the easiest way for declaring a variable that survive at the reset cycle and can be changed in the application?
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2014-10-17T17:52:21 < Cyric> so i want that the program "remember" few variables after the reset...
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2014-10-17T17:54:40 < Cyric> do i need to simulate an eeprom?
2014-10-17T17:54:49 < Cyric> or can i do it in a easier way?
2014-10-17T17:56:37 < karlp> if you can fit it in one byte, there's the backup byte in the rtc
2014-10-17T17:56:43 < karlp> or two bytes or whatever,
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2014-10-17T17:57:39 < Cyric> if i have something 10 variables
2014-10-17T17:58:07 < Cyric> is better to have the eeprom simulated?
2014-10-17T17:58:28 < Cyric> is that the correct way to do?
2014-10-17T17:58:51 < karlp> or get a part with eeprom onboard, like L series :) makes it easy
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2014-10-17T17:59:36 < Cyric> i have the L series :)
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2014-10-17T18:01:09 < karlp> then just use the eeprom.
2014-10-17T18:01:22 < karlp> you didnt' look at your part datasheet for that first?
2014-10-17T18:01:28 < Cyric> omg.. i didnt know that i had eeprom :)
2014-10-17T18:01:34 < Cyric> i really should RTM
2014-10-17T18:01:40 < Cyric> RTFM
2014-10-17T18:02:08 < Cyric> i did... but since i didnt needed it, i just ignored it :D
2014-10-17T18:02:11 < dongs> Cyric: use backup registers
2014-10-17T18:02:17 < dongs> you got ~20 bytes
2014-10-17T18:02:32 < DanteA> If is it enough
2014-10-17T18:03:07 < dongs> also, ram isn't cleared on reset
2014-10-17T18:03:27 < dongs> so if you copy out your vars before calling _init() you can save them that way too ;p
2014-10-17T18:04:07 < Cyric> mmm...
2014-10-17T18:05:08 < Cyric> i would avoid to do those tricks. (read the ram before is cleared)...
2014-10-17T18:05:24 < karlp> there's often a _pre_main() or something hook for doing things like that.
2014-10-17T18:05:43 < dongs> is ther? i dunno
2014-10-17T18:05:50 < karlp> eeprom's easy to think about though, if you're on an L1 anyway
2014-10-17T18:05:51 < dongs> last i needed to do somethin i just added it right on top of reset vector
2014-10-17T18:06:06 < Cyric> there is the reset
2014-10-17T18:06:14 < Cyric> and it calls the main
2014-10-17T18:06:18 < dongs> BKP is correct way to do it,
2014-10-17T18:06:22 < dongs> yes, but beforei t calls main
2014-10-17T18:06:28 < dongs> you have some libc startup shit
2014-10-17T18:06:32 < dongs> that clears bss or wahtever
2014-10-17T18:06:35 < Cyric> yes
2014-10-17T18:06:36 < karlp> dongs: he has an L1, he has realy eeprom too...
2014-10-17T18:06:39 < dongs> zeros static vars and shit
2014-10-17T18:06:47 < karlp> now he can keep it across power cycles too
2014-10-17T18:06:59 < dongs> well yeah
2014-10-17T18:07:07 < Cyric> karlp: i agree... i will use it... is kind of a waste dont using it :)
2014-10-17T18:07:26 < zyp> Cyric, the question is whether you want it to survive only reset or a full powercycle
2014-10-17T18:07:41 < Cyric> full power cycle
2014-10-17T18:08:08 < zyp> if they change often and don't need to survive powercycles, some sort of ram is the way to go
2014-10-17T18:08:31 < zyp> backupram will only survive if you have backup power available on vbat
2014-10-17T18:08:54 < zyp> otherwise, eeprom is the natural choice
2014-10-17T18:09:19 < Cyric> yes i will go for the eeprom
2014-10-17T18:10:07 < DanteA> Survive if he have battery source
2014-10-17T18:10:23 < Cyric> is the MCU that control the eeprom right?
2014-10-17T18:10:34 < dongs> well uh yeah
2014-10-17T18:10:48 < Cyric> so if flash a new firmware
2014-10-17T18:10:54 < dongs> i duno how it works on L151, last time i dicked with eeprom was on STM8.
2014-10-17T18:10:58 < dongs> writing was unlock, write
2014-10-17T18:11:00 < zyp> the eeprom is pretty much just a region of the flash that has byte erase instead of page erase
2014-10-17T18:11:06 < dongs> reading was just access ram?
2014-10-17T18:11:07 < dongs> i think..
2014-10-17T18:11:12 < Cyric> it will clear the eeproom too
2014-10-17T18:11:21 < dongs> zyp: nah, not on devices with proper eeprom
2014-10-17T18:11:29 < zyp> full chip erase will probably clear the eeprom too
2014-10-17T18:11:37 < dongs> its real one, flash has garbage write cycles
2014-10-17T18:12:03 < Cyric> great :) because i may store shit there.. and if i flash a new firmware i want to delete everything
2014-10-17T18:12:16 < dongs> you can just have a version number
2014-10-17T18:12:19 < Cyric> from the eeporm
2014-10-17T18:12:24 < dongs> and increment it when you have new shit added.
2014-10-17T18:12:25 < dongs> etc...
2014-10-17T18:20:26 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6db_1413241934 found Laurenceb
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2014-10-17T19:24:41 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251470278190 i shoulda got this instead of tek
2014-10-17T19:26:10 < Fleck> :D
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2014-10-17T20:54:09 < jadew> dongs, when will it arrive?
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2014-10-17T21:33:29 < mikepurvis> Anyone here with experience doing a USB CDC device?
2014-10-17T21:34:28 < PaulFertser> mikepurvis: CDC ACM or CDC Ethernet?
2014-10-17T21:34:35 < mikepurvis> CDC ACM
2014-10-17T21:35:19 < PaulFertser> I think many libopencm3 examples do that.
2014-10-17T21:35:31 < mikepurvis> I’ve got a fairly complex firmware based on stm32plus and FreeRTOS, but the USB part of it is giving me trouble. It comes originally from this example here: http://vedder.se/2012/07/usb-serial-on-stm32f4/
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2014-10-17T21:37:04 < mikepurvis> It basically works, but with certain outputs from my firmware to PC enabled, the firmware crashes. Basically, I’ve very suspect of the ST example code up which the linked example is based.
2014-10-17T21:37:31 < mikepurvis> Wondering if I should port to the newer STM32Cube driver, or libopencm3, or something else? Recommendations?
2014-10-17T21:45:20 < PaulFertser> mikepurvis: have you tried actually debugging the crash via SWD? Probably it's your own code doing something bad.
2014-10-17T21:46:06 < PaulFertser> Usually ST's code is awful, and I know libopencm3's works fine on STM32F1 and STM32F4 at least (BlackMagic Probe uses it).
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2014-10-17T21:49:52 < PaulFertser> Hm, since when FreeRTOS became "De-facto Standard"?
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2014-10-17T21:51:09 < PaulFertser> Hm, freertos got tickless support, fancy.
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2014-10-17T22:09:48 < mikepurvis> fergusnoble, nice to see you here.
2014-10-17T22:14:02 < yan_> PaulFertser: freertos had tickless support, iirc
2014-10-17T22:14:13 < yan_> PaulFertser: at least i ran tests with tickless kernel earlier this year
2014-10-17T22:14:56 < mikepurvis> PaulFertser: I’ve done a little looking with gdb/swd, but I believe it’s a memory corruption thing, so the crash is not immediately located where the problem is.
2014-10-17T22:15:33 < mikepurvis> Another bit of weirdness is that the USB device doesn’t work at all when compiled with -O3.
2014-10-17T22:15:51 < mikepurvis> Which points again to inadequacies in the USB implementation.
2014-10-17T22:21:09 < zyp> «doesn't work at all» how?
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2014-10-17T22:22:59 < zyp> it doesn't take much to prevent a device from fully enumerating
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2014-10-17T22:23:22 < zyp> it's enough that one of the core control requests fails
2014-10-17T22:26:00 < jpa-> usb analyzer helps :)
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2014-10-17T22:42:17 < mikepurvis> I’ll have to try again at some point, but I believe it failed to enumerate.
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2014-10-17T22:43:03 < mikepurvis> is there a specific usb analyzer tool you’d recommend?
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2014-10-17T22:47:55 < zyp> I like the total phase beagle
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2014-10-17T22:49:38 < mikepurvis> Cool, thanks
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2014-10-17T23:33:57 < dekar> mikepurvis, given that the total phase hardware costs a bunch of money, you might want to give wireshark a try. On Linux it supports analysing USB as well.
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2014-10-17T23:35:07 < mikepurvis> dekar: I tried it briefly. I suspect that without a tap on the line, there are whole classes of errors that are pretty unknowable.
2014-10-17T23:35:31 < mikepurvis> Will definitely try again, though, especially if libopencm3’s driver doesn’t work out.
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2014-10-17T23:35:54 < karlp> swo tracing might help you, if you can at least sometimes reproduce the problem
2014-10-17T23:36:35 < kakeman_> jot jlink a month ago
2014-10-17T23:36:38 < kakeman_> got
2014-10-17T23:37:00 < kakeman_> maybe 3weeks or so
2014-10-17T23:37:14 < kakeman_> now first time connected to target
2014-10-17T23:39:26 < kakeman_> wow
2014-10-17T23:39:49 < kakeman_> cortex-m3 identified!
2014-10-17T23:40:19 < karlp> groovy, i2c code working on the f1 too.
2014-10-17T23:40:31 < karlp> now the tdious bits of pulling all the hacks out and making one clean piece of it :)
2014-10-17T23:40:42 < karlp> and writing the disclaimer that there's zero error handling :)
2014-10-17T23:41:26 < jpa-> mikepurvis: most cheap logic analyzers are also capable of capturing usb traffic, and sigrok can decode it
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2014-10-17T23:56:45 < dekar> jpa-, is sigrok ready for use these days?
2014-10-17T23:57:06 < dekar> last time I checked they were writing a completely new GUI iirc
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2014-10-17T23:58:36 < zyp> hey, fpga guys
2014-10-17T23:59:14 < zyp> so I have this fpga hooked up to fsmc now, where do I start in order to get something working?
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2014-10-18T00:05:45 < qyx_> i would start by writing simple vhdl responding to single word read
2014-10-18T00:05:52 < karlp> dekar: depends what you want to do, but the ucrrent gui works pretty well
2014-10-18T00:06:16 < qyx_> should be simple to check if it works with gpio
2014-10-18T00:06:26 < qyx_> and then i would continue with fsmc
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2014-10-18T00:07:53 < qyx_> but i am not fpga guy
2014-10-18T00:08:29 < zyp> I'm thinking in terms of how to handle clock synchronization
2014-10-18T00:08:54 < zyp> I guess I'd have to start by actually providing a clock first
2014-10-18T00:09:16 < qyx_> not that bad idea actually
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2014-10-18T00:16:02 < kakeman_> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdVRIYjZVN3VJNFk/view?usp=sharing
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2014-10-18T00:16:23 < kakeman_> what you can do with this?
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2014-10-18T01:12:58 < zyp> hmm, the FSMC is really straight forward
2014-10-18T01:13:43 < zyp> there's three registers per bank, two of them are only timings and defaults to «as slow as possible» and the last has a few config options
2014-10-18T01:14:27 < zyp> it even starts with one bank enabled, so all you have to do to read from an appropriately connected NOR flash is to turn on the FSMC in the RCC
2014-10-18T01:16:55 < kakeman_> I forgot what you guys said about intel edison
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2014-10-18T01:39:17 < dirty_d> hmm, is chibios worth looking at?
2014-10-18T01:39:40 < zyp> people seem to use it
2014-10-18T01:40:57 < qyx_> it is.. sometimes
2014-10-18T01:41:19 < qyx_> if gpl/fancy licensing isn't an issue
2014-10-18T01:42:06 < qyx_> which reminds me.. don't you know of some neat small async message passing library?
2014-10-18T01:42:39 < zyp> message passing over/between what?
2014-10-18T01:42:46 < qyx_> IPC
2014-10-18T01:43:00 < zyp> isr/handler mode or threads?
2014-10-18T01:43:19 < qyx_> threads
2014-10-18T01:43:30 < qyx_> isr could be handled sinchronously by dedicated thread
2014-10-18T01:43:44 < qyx_> waiting on semaphore or with some mailboxes or whatever
2014-10-18T01:43:51 < qyx_> *y
2014-10-18T01:44:11 < zyp> did you roll your own multithreading?
2014-10-18T01:44:11 < karlp> zyp: how handy, and totally unlike some othe rperiperhals (re sane defaults)
2014-10-18T01:44:18 < qyx_> if i remember correctly, freertos has something like that
2014-10-18T01:44:26 < qyx_> you can create message queue of defined size
2014-10-18T01:44:36 < qyx_> and then pass data structures over it between threads
2014-10-18T01:45:05 < zyp> qyx_, doing something like that shouldn't be very much code
2014-10-18T01:45:10 < qyx_> but this is just unicast
2014-10-18T01:45:27 < qyx_> register/service would be cool
2014-10-18T01:45:47 < zyp> make a ringbuffer with a read and a write pointer, then use ldrex/strex to make atomic updates to the pointers
2014-10-18T01:46:58 < qyx_> atomicity is not a problem, i could use mutexes/semaphores for that
2014-10-18T01:47:08 < qyx_> but chibios doesn't have such message queue thing
2014-10-18T01:47:20 < zyp> uh, pretty sure it does
2014-10-18T01:47:39 < qyx_> it can pass pointers
2014-10-18T01:47:45 < qyx_> not very useful for async messages
2014-10-18T01:47:45 < zyp> http://chibios.sourceforge.net/html/group__messages.html <- first google result
2014-10-18T01:48:14 < qyx_> Note that messages are not copied between the client and server threads but just a pointer passed so the exchange is very time efficient
2014-10-18T01:48:18 < qyx_> this is a bug, not a feature
2014-10-18T01:48:34 < qyx_> if you want async passing, queueing and multicast delivery, you have to copy
2014-10-18T01:48:56 < zyp> what about the I/O queues then?
2014-10-18T01:49:03 < zyp> http://chibios.sourceforge.net/html/group__io__queues.html
2014-10-18T01:50:57 < qyx_> yep, byte only
2014-10-18T01:51:07 < qyx_> these are like iostreams
2014-10-18T01:51:40 < zyp> what's the problem with that?
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2014-10-18T01:52:20 < qyx_> it's like meh
2014-10-18T01:52:22 < zyp> if you have a 64 byte structure and always write and read from the queue in 64-byte blocks, how is this different from what you want?
2014-10-18T01:52:25 < qyx_> because you have to serialize your data
2014-10-18T01:52:29 < qyx_> and then deserialize
2014-10-18T01:52:53 < qyx_> but yes, that would be usable
2014-10-18T01:53:59 < zyp> you don't have to serialize anything if you operate with a fixed block size and don't lose sync
2014-10-18T01:55:05 < qyx_> yep, thats the "meh" part of it
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2014-10-18T01:55:51 < qyx_> maybe i am thinking about it too much in d-bus-like fashion
2014-10-18T01:58:13 < zyp> what size of objects are you dealing with, by the way?
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2014-10-18T02:03:51 < qyx_> usually < 64B
2014-10-18T02:04:05 < qyx_> eg. logging service, auth service, packet reception, etc.
2014-10-18T02:10:17 < zyp> just use an array as a ringbuffer?
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2014-10-18T02:11:24 < qyx_> probably i need to sleep first before thinking further
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2014-10-18T02:24:51 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/PBICW <- here's a C++11-take on what you want
2014-10-18T02:25:57 < zyp> if I were a bit less lazy I'd make a class for the index numbers too that self wraps when they are incremented
2014-10-18T02:26:31 < zyp> and the get() without contents handling is a bit dumb
2014-10-18T02:27:03 < zyp> but if you're doing it in C you'd just take the buffer to copy to as an argument and return a bool
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2014-10-18T02:44:44 < dirty_d> hm, since the M4 ignores bits 3:0 of an interrupt priority setting the priority to anything lower than 16 just sets it to 0 right?
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2014-10-18T02:51:51 < dirty_d> I'm confused
2014-10-18T02:52:00 < dirty_d> page 211 here AIRCR register http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/previewBody/55689-102-1-276747/STMicroelectronics.User_Manual_2.pdf
2014-10-18T02:52:15 < dirty_d> is saysthe reset value of the low 16 bits is 0
2014-10-18T02:52:51 < dirty_d> but 0b000 isnt a priority grouping setting in that table
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2014-10-18T02:58:51 < zyp> all values lower than 4 equals to 4
2014-10-18T02:59:55 < zyp> the PRIGROUP field says how many bits of the total 8-bit priority that corresponds to the same group
2014-10-18T03:01:02 < zyp> since the lower four bits of the priority isn't implemented on stm32, all settings of 4 or less results in 4 group bits and no subpriority bits
2014-10-18T03:07:31 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/6TbDC <- here's how the binary point column would look for a chip implementing all 8 bits, and how it looks on stm32 with the lower four bits masked
2014-10-18T03:09:20 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-18T03:09:29 < zyp> my voltage translator is heating up
2014-10-18T03:09:43 < zyp> one of them does, the other two don't
2014-10-18T03:09:51 < dirty_d> ahh ok
2014-10-18T03:10:18 < dirty_d> so PRIGROUP + 1 bits go to the sub-priority
2014-10-18T03:10:29 < zyp> yeah
2014-10-18T03:10:39 < dongs> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1413573576813.png lol lunix
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2014-10-18T03:11:15 < dongs> jadew: 22nd to alaska, then i'll forward to here +1w or so
2014-10-18T03:11:44 < dirty_d> lol
2014-10-18T03:12:17 < gxti> goin to mooseland again?
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2014-10-18T03:13:42 < zyp> say, what does an fpga do with unused pins?
2014-10-18T03:14:06 < gxti> warn you to do something with them
2014-10-18T03:14:17 < englishman> dongs: have you googled 'giant buttplug in paris' yet
2014-10-18T03:14:46 < zyp> gxti, but I have this configuration loaded up on this fpga
2014-10-18T03:15:19 < zyp> I haven't gotten to the point where I'm dealing with the signals from the voltage translators yet, so I'm ignoring them
2014-10-18T03:18:00 < dongs> zyp: seems unused io is pulldown
2014-10-18T03:18:01 < zyp> ok
2014-10-18T03:18:06 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-18T03:18:22 < zyp> pulldown doesn't explain why the voltage translator is heating up
2014-10-18T03:18:30 < dongs> zyp: should be in process options when you "generate programming file"
2014-10-18T03:18:33 < zyp> can't see any solder bridges either
2014-10-18T03:18:44 < dongs> can set it to floating too
2014-10-18T03:18:45 < dongs> just in case
2014-10-18T03:18:53 < zyp> ah, found it
2014-10-18T03:19:01 < dongs> found bridge?
2014-10-18T03:19:09 < zyp> no, the setting you mentioned
2014-10-18T03:19:13 < dongs> ah rite
2014-10-18T03:19:25 < zyp> pulldown is sane enough
2014-10-18T03:20:19 < zyp> maybe there's a bridge somewhere that I don't see
2014-10-18T03:21:07 < zyp> we just concluded they were set to pulldown
2014-10-18T03:21:11 < dongs> TI has a nice 3GHz HDMI to 2x MIPI DSI converter
2014-10-18T03:21:16 < dongs> now all I need is 2x MIPI to DP
2014-10-18T03:21:24 < dongs> (toshiba has it but they're cunts)
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2014-10-18T03:24:04 < dongs> k time to finish routing dickstarterboard before noon
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2014-10-18T03:47:35 < zyp> hmm, I think I found and fixed a short, seems that it stopped heating up
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2014-10-18T03:49:30 < zyp> okay, let's see
2014-10-18T03:49:37 < zyp> mapping the FSMC is going to be fun
2014-10-18T03:50:03 < dongs> are you finally doing that IDE thing
2014-10-18T03:50:06 < zyp> yes
2014-10-18T03:50:37 < zyp> I figured out how to keep windows from crashing every time I opened the xilinx pin mapper
2014-10-18T03:50:48 < dongs> youre on 8.x?
2014-10-18T03:51:03 < zyp> 7, in a VM
2014-10-18T03:51:43 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-18T03:52:08 < zyp> does the FSMC have multiple remaps or only one?
2014-10-18T03:52:35 < dongs> does it even have a remap?
2014-10-18T03:52:46 < zyp> that's what I'm asking
2014-10-18T03:52:58 < dongs> not as far as I remember
2014-10-18T03:53:26 < dongs> according to amazingcube
2014-10-18T03:53:47 < zyp> I'm just trying to figure out if I have to figure out which pins are in use on the waveshare board
2014-10-18T03:53:58 < zyp> if there's only one option for each pin, that's easy
2014-10-18T03:54:55 < dongs> ya ONLY ONE
2014-10-18T03:54:58 < dongs> err, lolcaps
2014-10-18T03:55:03 < zyp> good
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2014-10-18T03:59:30 < karlp> dongs: been a while since you had some wtc love: http://imgur.com/gallery/mXeDrGo
2014-10-18T04:00:32 < dongs> voting up
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2014-10-18T04:15:34 < dongs> heh
2014-10-18T04:15:40 < dongs> doing my dickstarterproj
2014-10-18T04:15:53 < zyp> hey, this is cool
2014-10-18T04:16:02 < dongs> R2COM: not this one
2014-10-18T04:16:17 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/yiBZ1 <- I'm actually getting shit from the FPGA over FSMC
2014-10-18T04:16:18 < dongs> you dont wanna do the fpga part so im doing something else until i find someone that does
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2014-10-18T04:38:19 < zyp> hey emeb_mac
2014-10-18T04:38:30 < emeb_mac> hey zyp
2014-10-18T04:38:37 < emeb_mac> how's it going?
2014-10-18T04:38:59 < dongs> im guessing innovating at the speed of light
2014-10-18T04:39:00 < zyp> just getting data from the FPGA via FSMC
2014-10-18T04:39:10 < emeb_mac> nifty!
2014-10-18T04:39:27 < zyp> wondering how to do the clock synchronization on the FPGA side
2014-10-18T04:39:32 < zyp> got any pointers on that?
2014-10-18T04:39:49 < emeb_mac> tell me a bit about how your clocks work
2014-10-18T04:40:11 < zyp> I don't have any yet :D
2014-10-18T04:40:53 < emeb_mac> then you don't need synchronization - problem solved
2014-10-18T04:40:58 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/XyomJ <- currently I have this thing
2014-10-18T04:41:26 < zyp> which I figure should bridge between the async interface of the FSMC and a synchronous internal bus
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2014-10-18T04:42:05 < zyp> I guess everything internally will be clocked off a common clock derived from MCO
2014-10-18T04:42:13 < emeb_mac> right
2014-10-18T04:42:30 < zyp> wouldn't that be the sane way to do it?
2014-10-18T04:42:37 < emeb_mac> and MCO is synchronous with what's going on in the STM32
2014-10-18T04:43:03 < emeb_mac> so hopefully edge timing is deterministic
2014-10-18T04:43:23 < emeb_mac> so yeah - should be OK
2014-10-18T04:43:31 < zyp> that's what I've been wondering about
2014-10-18T04:44:11 < emeb_mac> use nwe + address to generate a clock enable for writable registers
2014-10-18T04:44:56 < emeb_mac> and just make sure that your internal clock (in the FPGA) is faster than the external async signal periods
2014-10-18T04:45:01 < zyp> as far as i understand, the problem with clock synchronization is keeping sampling edges a safe distance away from signal transitions
2014-10-18T04:45:09 < emeb_mac> yes
2014-10-18T04:45:21 < emeb_mac> and if timing is deterministic then that's easy
2014-10-18T04:45:56 < emeb_mac> if there's possibility for asynchronous behavior then you need metastability registers
2014-10-18T04:46:53 < emeb_mac> so you'd generate write enable strobe, clock it through 2 or 3 flops at the local rate to resolve metastability, then use the output of that for the actual write enable.
2014-10-18T04:47:13 < emeb_mac> but, given your setup it's probably not needed.
2014-10-18T04:47:51 < zyp> FSMC clock is divided down from HCLK, and I assume I can't just output the full 168MHz through MCO
2014-10-18T04:48:10 < dongs> pretty sure /2 is max
2014-10-18T04:48:38 < emeb_mac> yeah
2014-10-18T04:48:42 < zyp> yes, and that means I don't know exactly how the FSMC divides that down
2014-10-18T04:49:04 < emeb_mac> did you enable FSMC_CLK output?
2014-10-18T04:50:22 < zyp> I've been considering that option too
2014-10-18T04:50:49 < emeb_mac> that would make the bus interface a lot less questionable
2014-10-18T04:51:17 < emeb_mac> but it does move the synchronism problem to the other side - between the bus interface and the rest of the logic in your FPGA
2014-10-18T04:51:30 < zyp> yeah, that's what I figured
2014-10-18T04:51:51 < emeb_mac> but - if you run the rest of the FPGA off of FSMC_CLK then it's not an issue
2014-10-18T04:52:13 < emeb_mac> if you need a faster clock you could use a DCM to multiply it while maintaining synchronism
2014-10-18T04:52:31 < zyp> but isn't FSMC_CLK only active during bus accesses?
2014-10-18T04:52:47 < emeb_mac> not absolutely sure
2014-10-18T04:52:55 < emeb_mac> thought it would run continuously though
2014-10-18T04:54:05 < emeb_mac> bleh - "FSMC issues the clock (CLK) to the selected external device only during the read/write transactions"
2014-10-18T04:54:15 < emeb_mac> forget that
2014-10-18T04:54:36 < zyp> yeah, if it were continous the choice would be obvious
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2014-10-18T04:55:23 < emeb_mac> I suppose you could generate MCO at the same freq as FSMC_CLK
2014-10-18T04:56:05 < emeb_mac> FSMC_CLK is HCLK / (2-16)
2014-10-18T04:56:25 < zyp> still no guarantee that they will be in phase though
2014-10-18T04:56:29 < upgrdman> i wish i would have thought of this before. drill press + end mill + cross slide vise ... so fucking easy to cut out shapes in project boxes now.
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2014-10-18T04:58:24 < zyp> «The selected clock to output onto MCO must not exceed 100 MHz (the maximum I/O speed).»
2014-10-18T04:58:48 < zyp> I could cheat and run the entire chip at half speed
2014-10-18T04:58:55 < emeb_mac> meh
2014-10-18T04:59:04 < zyp> that would give me a 84 MHz HCLK :p
2014-10-18T04:59:31 < emeb_mac> don't worry about phase
2014-10-18T04:59:52 < zyp> ah, right
2014-10-18T05:00:03 < emeb_mac> as long as all clocks are derived from the same fundamental source you're ok
2014-10-18T05:00:19 < emeb_mac> phasing can be fixed in the I/O by tweaking inversions & delays.
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2014-10-18T05:12:19 < zyp> emeb_mac, which clock would be best to output over MCO?
2014-10-18T05:12:39 < emeb_mac> I'd use SYSCLK
2014-10-18T05:12:51 < zyp> divided by how much? choices are 1-5
2014-10-18T05:12:53 < emeb_mac> since HCLK is based on SYSCLK by simple division
2014-10-18T05:13:08 < zyp> isn't HCLK == SYSCLK?
2014-10-18T05:13:18 < emeb_mac> it can be
2014-10-18T05:13:28 < emeb_mac> but there is a divider between HCLK and SYSCLK
2014-10-18T05:13:30 < zyp> I mean in the max speed case
2014-10-18T05:13:37 < emeb_mac> in that case yes
2014-10-18T05:13:57 < emeb_mac> I'd keep the divide ratio 2 or 4
2014-10-18T05:14:03 < zyp> yeah
2014-10-18T05:14:09 < emeb_mac> and try to make FSMC_CLK the same
2014-10-18T05:15:05 < zyp> I tried PLL / 4 which should be 84 MHz, my scope couldn't make much sense of it
2014-10-18T05:15:12 < zyp> then again it's a 40MHz scope
2014-10-18T05:15:27 < emeb_mac> :)
2014-10-18T05:18:33 < zyp> it's not making much sense of SYSCLK / 4 either :p
2014-10-18T05:23:50 < emeb_mac> time for new scope
2014-10-18T05:27:00 < zyp> looks like the FPGA doesn't like it either, probably too much capacitance on the board
2014-10-18T05:28:25 < zyp> outputting plain HSE works fine
2014-10-18T05:28:51 < zyp> I made a simple counter in the FPGA, it's not counting when I output SYSCLK / 4
2014-10-18T05:31:06 < zyp> oh
2014-10-18T05:31:19 < zyp> obviously doesn't help that all pins are set to low speed
2014-10-18T05:35:17 < emeb_mac> :)
2014-10-18T05:35:49 < emeb_mac> most analog scopes don't roll off too fast
2014-10-18T05:36:10 < emeb_mac> you'll get some attenuation above the rated freq, but you should still see _something_
2014-10-18T05:36:36 < dongs> wtf
2014-10-18T05:36:39 < dongs> i have one drc error left
2014-10-18T05:36:44 < zyp> yeah, I'm getting a nice 42MHz sine on the scope now
2014-10-18T05:36:47 < dongs> which is a GND pin of a connector going off into nowhere
2014-10-18T05:36:51 < zyp> oh, and this is a digital scope
2014-10-18T05:37:08 < dongs> heh, 150mhz pixclk was totally sine on my scope
2014-10-18T05:37:18 < zyp> some cheap rigol, generation before the 50MHz one that could be hacked to 100MHz
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2014-10-18T05:39:04 < emeb_mac> my "60MHz" Tek analog scope is usable to twice that
2014-10-18T05:40:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7OKbsGA.png
2014-10-18T05:40:08 < dongs> wtf? pin 39
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2014-10-18T05:44:14 < zyp> okay, scope is even picking up 84 MHz MCO now
2014-10-18T05:44:26 < zyp> as a 750mVPP sine
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2014-10-18T05:53:25 < upgrdman> nice   http://www.newnownext.com/christmas-tree-accused-of-being-80-foot-tall-inflatable-butt-plug-in-paris/10/2014/
2014-10-18T05:54:22 < GargantuaSauce> i can see microwave pulses on my shitty 30mhz scope
2014-10-18T05:54:35 < dongs> ooooooold
2014-10-18T05:55:04 < GargantuaSauce> cant make out modulation or anything obviously but was still very surprised when that showed up
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2014-10-18T06:04:58 < dongs> is tehre altium key to rotate 45 while dragging
2014-10-18T06:05:30 < englishman> alt+f4
2014-10-18T06:06:11 < dongs> OMG TAHT JUST CLOSED ALL MY WORK
2014-10-18T06:06:34 < englishman> weird, it rotates 45 on mine, try it again
2014-10-18T06:06:40 < zyp> dongs, I think you can choose how much to rotate by default, I think I changed that to 45
2014-10-18T06:06:54 < dongs> yea h ik now theres a pref
2014-10-18T06:06:55 < dongs> thats annoying
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2014-10-18T06:17:43 < dongs> hm
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2014-10-18T06:21:41 < dongs> still cant figure out how to make it stop pouring shit over fiducial
2014-10-18T06:21:41 < dongs> damn
2014-10-18T06:33:10 < yan_> has anyone gotten i2c peripherals working with an stm32l1?
2014-10-18T06:33:32 < dongs> im sure theres a sample in stdperiphlib
2014-10-18T06:33:34 < dongs> that works
2014-10-18T06:34:13 < yan_> dongs: there was only one that used the built in temp sensor, i can't get it to work with an external one via one of the GPIO AF
2014-10-18T06:36:23 < dongs> uh
2014-10-18T06:36:29 < dongs> i find it hard to believe that L1 temp sensor is accessed by I2C
2014-10-18T06:36:58 < yan_> dongs: https://github.com/bjornfor/stm32-test/tree/master/STM32L1xx_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.1.1/Project/STM32L1xx_StdPeriph_Examples/I2C/I2C_TSENSOR
2014-10-18T06:37:15 < dongs> yeah that's for a temperature sensor on the board.
2014-10-18T06:37:18 < dongs> NOT inside the chip
2014-10-18T06:37:31 < yan_> i wasn't clear when i said 'built in', sorry
2014-10-18T06:38:56 < dongs> heh, that shit actually implements smbus
2014-10-18T06:40:35 < yan_> dongs: yeah, it was a bit more than i would have liked just to get a simple i2c periph working.. right now, after i send start command, it never becomes not busy
2014-10-18T06:40:49 < yan_> i'm basing it partly on karlp's code that was published a few days ago
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2014-10-18T06:42:44 < zyp> the code that karlp couldn't get working? :p
2014-10-18T06:43:03 < yan_> haha, i didn't see that mentioned
2014-10-18T06:43:53 < dongs> lo
2014-10-18T06:44:43 < dongs> yan_: if youre testing and breaking shit, I suggest doing something like https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_i2c.c#L332 before doing anything else with I2C periph
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2014-10-18T06:46:03 < dongs> or else have a way to reset your external i2c device
2014-10-18T06:46:12 < dongs> so its not stuck holding the bus etc
2014-10-18T06:46:49 < dongs> dickstarter board routed
2014-10-18T06:47:14 < zyp> what are you dickstarting?
2014-10-18T06:47:17 < yan_> dongs: i'd generally put pins into open drain mode with i2c, right?
2014-10-18T06:48:08 < dongs> yan_: i duno if L1 has proper AF or not, this is for F1.
2014-10-18T06:48:26 < dongs> zyp: aspieberrypi accessory
2014-10-18T06:48:30 < dongs> for B+
2014-10-18T06:48:36 < zyp> wow
2014-10-18T06:48:37 < dongs> (so its a guaranteed success
2014-10-18T06:48:45 < zyp> doing what?
2014-10-18T06:49:02 < dongs> what do asseberry accessories do usualyl? nothing :)
2014-10-18T06:50:03 < dongs> just stm32, serial console to pi, lcd output
2014-10-18T06:50:36 < dongs> my last lcd thing in B+ "HAT" format
2014-10-18T07:02:48 < jadew> yan_, the issue with his code was the reading part
2014-10-18T07:03:16 < jadew> dongs, nice, so pretty soon
2014-10-18T07:03:22 < jadew> you must be very excited
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2014-10-18T07:13:11 < dongs> heh
2014-10-18T07:27:05 < GargantuaSauce> this is your big break!
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2014-10-18T07:29:53 < englishman> heh http://www.wired.com/2014/10/kickstarter-suspends-anonabox/
2014-10-18T07:30:12 < dongs> aww.
2014-10-18T07:30:15 < dongs> innovation stifled
2014-10-18T07:30:25 < englishman> Anonabox creator Germar had claimed was custom-designed, could be found for sale from Chinese suppliers on sites like the business e-commerce platform Alibaba
2014-10-18T07:30:44 < dongs> so why didnt they suspend neptune pine?
2014-10-18T07:30:50 < dongs> it was same fucking shit
2014-10-18T07:30:55 < dongs> "custom designed" chinese phone from alibaba
2014-10-18T07:35:37 < dongs> http://gizmodo.com/the-joy-and-misery-of-life-with-a-grotesquely-large-sm-1637632048 lool
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2014-10-18T07:36:30 < emeb_mac> size matters
2014-10-18T07:36:53 < zyp> I think this LG thing that I bought is big enough
2014-10-18T07:39:43 < zyp> it's pretty neat though
2014-10-18T07:40:26 < zyp> I think the nice thing about a smartwatch is that you don't need to pull out your phone to tell that whatever notification you just got is not interesting
2014-10-18T07:40:52 < dongs> .. i jsut use different notification sounds for that
2014-10-18T07:41:36 < zyp> filtering on what?
2014-10-18T07:41:50 < dongs> source of notification
2014-10-18T07:41:58 < zyp> yeah, but I mean content
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2014-10-18T07:43:53 < zyp> I find it takes me around half a second to glance at my wrist to check who mailed/messaged me about what and figure out if I should care about it now or later
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2014-10-18T07:44:08 < zyp> beats having to pull out the phone
2014-10-18T07:45:03 < dongs> you should dickstart a stm32 smartwatch with epaper
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2014-10-18T07:45:19 < GargantuaSauce> so it takes half a second to display the notification?
2014-10-18T07:46:01 < zyp> no, it takes half a second to glance over to my wrist and mentally process what I'm seeing
2014-10-18T07:46:35 < GargantuaSauce> no i am just being hyperbolic about epaper
2014-10-18T07:46:41 < zyp> ah, right
2014-10-18T07:46:59 < zyp> epaper sounds boring, I like the color screen on the g watch
2014-10-18T07:47:15 < GargantuaSauce> needs more DLP projection
2014-10-18T07:47:18 < zyp> and battery life is decent enough
2014-10-18T07:50:13 < dongs> wow microusb is complete garbage
2014-10-18T07:50:18 < dongs> slight wobble and no fucking ocnnection
2014-10-18T07:50:21 < dongs> either on power or data
2014-10-18T07:50:23 < dongs> fuckkkkkkkkkk
2014-10-18T07:50:56 < GargantuaSauce> did you forget to solder the pins
2014-10-18T07:50:58 < GargantuaSauce> i did that :D
2014-10-18T07:51:15 < GargantuaSauce> worked surprisingly well until any force was applied
2014-10-18T07:51:26 < dongs> lols.
2014-10-18T07:53:56 < emeb_mac> GargantuaSauce: my experience in that case has been "doesn't work until force is applied"
2014-10-18T07:54:53 < dongs> black usb
2014-10-18T07:57:57 < englishman> Dongs, pebble? Stm32 and screen similar to epaper
2014-10-18T08:03:32 < GargantuaSauce> well i guess i soldered the structural/ground pads under tension
2014-10-18T08:05:10 < GargantuaSauce> or something i dunno. thermal stress is weird
2014-10-18T08:18:06 < dongs> akaWolf: wat brings you to trollbox
2014-10-18T08:23:21 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/755/542/8c278321923165d73b16ec4bc90a0bb4_large.JPG?1413526824
2014-10-18T08:23:25 < dongs> aww
2014-10-18T08:23:27 < dongs> so suspended
2014-10-18T08:26:54 < GargantuaSauce> yeah so looks like i have to rescind my "at least they didn't take off the shelf hardware" comment
2014-10-18T08:28:18 < upgrdman> is that the dickstarter troll wifi thinggy?
2014-10-18T08:28:23 < GargantuaSauce> yup
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2014-10-18T08:43:36 < dongs> its not wifi
2014-10-18T08:44:10 < GargantuaSauce> yes it's a wifi ap also
2014-10-18T08:44:27 < dongs> oh rite i see pcb antenna
2014-10-18T08:44:33 < dongs> i thought it was just a mang in the middle for e thernet
2014-10-18T08:46:39 < emeb_mac> cheap memory: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Spansion/S25FL204K0TMFI043/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtI%252bQ06EiAoG71NWJ819OHX%252bLxAmsA4md0%3d
2014-10-18T08:48:06 < dongs> 4mb is pretty small
2014-10-18T08:49:08 < qyx_> sufficient for remote firmware updates for example
2014-10-18T08:50:30 < emeb_mac> 512kB - not bad for a quarter.
2014-10-18T08:58:45 < upgrdman> NOR vs NAND flash, from "our" perspective is there any difference? is one more reliable/faster/something?
2014-10-18T09:00:20 < GargantuaSauce> think nand can be denser but is slower to read
2014-10-18T09:00:45 < GargantuaSauce> nor has higher endurance also? might have that backwards
2014-10-18T09:06:26 < upgrdman> is there a channel for machining or milling? or better yet, anyone know why you might pick a four-flute end mill over a two-flute one? i'm guessing he four-flute will give cleaner results at lower speeds, but the two-flute will be less likely to clog?
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2014-10-18T09:08:02 < PeterM> also 4 flute vs 2 flute means you can feed faster wit hslwoer spindle
2014-10-18T09:08:14 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it effectively halves the feedrate
2014-10-18T09:08:20 < GargantuaSauce> bet #linuxcnc has some experts though
2014-10-18T09:09:39 < upgrdman> well i ask because im milling plastic (a project box) and people say to use a two-flute. i bought one, and it works great. but it seems like four-flutes are more common and cheaper... so not sure if it would be dumb to buy a four-flute assortment of end mills.
2014-10-18T09:10:13 < upgrdman> i'm guessing the less-clogs of two-flutes is vital when milling plastic?
2014-10-18T09:10:37 < PeterM> id say itd hardly make a difference for the amnunt of milling you'd do on a project box...
2014-10-18T09:11:21 < upgrdman> ok :)
2014-10-18T09:11:33 < GargantuaSauce> yeah and if these are oneoffs anyway it hardly makes a difference if you have to go slow
2014-10-18T09:12:02 < upgrdman> ya, not worried about speed. i'm hand cranking a cheap cross-slide vise on my end mill.
2014-10-18T09:12:25 < upgrdman> not like i'm running stepper motors and spinning 'em fast.
2014-10-18T09:12:29 < PeterM> even if not going slow - jsut the amount of material you're removing is fuck all
2014-10-18T09:12:35 < upgrdman> ok
2014-10-18T09:18:03 < upgrdman> if milling plastic or aluminum, does a coating on the end mill matter? TiN or AlTiN seems to be common.
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2014-10-18T09:20:58 < GargantuaSauce> my googles tell me AlTiN is unsuitable for aluminium
2014-10-18T09:22:15 < ReadError> upgrdman I would go with a burr
2014-10-18T09:22:48 < upgrdman> why a burr over an end mill?
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2014-10-18T09:25:41 < ReadError> a burr is an endmill
2014-10-18T09:26:09 < upgrdman> ok. well why a burr over a "regular" twist-drill-bit-looking end mill?
2014-10-18T09:27:15 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-1-8-1250-CHIPBREAKER-CARBIDE-ROUTER-BURRS-FT-Kyocera-Tycom-/381018668567?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58b67b7e17
2014-10-18T09:27:50 < upgrdman> pretty. buy why?
2014-10-18T09:27:54 < upgrdman> but why*
2014-10-18T09:28:14 < ReadError> just works better in my experience
2014-10-18T09:29:34 < upgrdman> k
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2014-10-18T10:00:09 < dongs> http://knobfeel.tumblr.com/
2014-10-18T10:01:31 < GargantuaSauce>  don’t quite understand how It simultaneously is light to move, but a heavy feel. The rotation can only be described as creamy. Congratulations TC Electronic, this is by FAR the best Knob I’ve had the pleasure of feeling!
2014-10-18T10:02:13 < GargantuaSauce> oh man the videos
2014-10-18T10:02:16 < dongs> yes
2014-10-18T10:05:28 < dongs> The rim is a little on the sharp side, but nowhere near skin penetration. And at the extremities of the rotation, there is a little extra movement, as if the whole Knob mechanism is almost a little loose on it.s mountings.
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2014-10-18T10:09:14 < dongs> fuck
2014-10-18T10:09:22 < dongs> i got like 2 weeks to get a working nrf51 board
2014-10-18T10:09:48 < jpa-> dekar_: never used it except from command line; it does work, but not necessarily easy to use
2014-10-18T10:11:15 < GargantuaSauce> i've heard pulseview is pretty decent
2014-10-18T10:11:25 < GargantuaSauce> havent tried it yet though
2014-10-18T10:13:12 < GargantuaSauce> dongs: at least it isnt one of their 8051-based ones
2014-10-18T10:13:17 < dongs> yes
2014-10-18T10:18:52 < dongs> waht the fuck is this nrf product key shit
2014-10-18T10:18:55 < dongs> i didnt get shit
2014-10-18T10:19:10 < dongs> i got their fucking devkit
2014-10-18T10:20:18 < GargantuaSauce> sounds like some digital rights mitigation to me
2014-10-18T10:20:28 < GargantuaSauce> time to embrace some Freedom!
2014-10-18T10:20:31 < dongs> nordic more like i got dicked
2014-10-18T10:21:02 < emeb_mac> derp ripoff management
2014-10-18T10:21:25 < dongs> omfg wtffffff
2014-10-18T10:21:51 < emeb_mac> boned again?
2014-10-18T10:22:00 < dongs> i have no idea where this fucking "key" is
2014-10-18T10:22:20 < emeb_mac> "please contact your sales representative"
2014-10-18T10:23:03 < dongs> im pretty fucking sure i tossed hte box that shit came in
2014-10-18T10:23:09 < GargantuaSauce> not much of a turnkey solution if they don't give you a key
2014-10-18T10:23:10 < dongs> cuz this was like last year
2014-10-18T10:25:09 < dongs> http://hodapple.com/files/nordic-nrf51822-ek.jpg
2014-10-18T10:25:11 < dongs> thank you internet
2014-10-18T10:25:44 < GargantuaSauce> key already in use
2014-10-18T10:25:48 < dongs> nah
2014-10-18T10:25:49 < dongs> works
2014-10-18T10:26:16 < dongs> https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/nordic/download_resource/30082/9/45937578 does this work for you without login?
2014-10-18T10:27:13 < Thorn> Access denied
2014-10-18T10:27:13 < GargantuaSauce> just open a private tab jeez
2014-10-18T10:27:14 < GargantuaSauce> but no
2014-10-18T10:28:03 < dongs> k
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2014-10-18T10:42:05 < madist> lol, is that Hodapp's site ?
2014-10-18T10:42:07 < dongs> nice
2014-10-18T10:42:24 < dongs> they have altium hardware files for the evalboard and usb frob
2014-10-18T10:42:28 < dongs> my work is done
2014-10-18T10:46:18 < dongs> who is hodapp
2014-10-18T10:46:51 < madist> I thought he frequents this channel ? or maybe openocd.
2014-10-18T10:47:12 < madist> upload the product key to tehpiratebay and get Hodapp fired!
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2014-10-18T11:19:32 < baird> reblog: http://imgur.com/gallery/w93eH
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2014-10-18T11:44:35 < dongs> old but lold
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2014-10-18T12:00:03 < dongs> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/10482613_668537233215995_6638523211891637666_o.jpg
2014-10-18T12:01:33 < madiz> what is written on the box ?
2014-10-18T12:01:54 < madiz> and why is an instagram picture on facebook
2014-10-18T12:03:45 < dongs> sweet
2014-10-18T12:03:49 < dongs> nrf51 has project files for keil
2014-10-18T12:04:47 < dongs> eww it uses RTE stuff :|
2014-10-18T12:06:03 < dongs> oh dicks
2014-10-18T12:06:13 < dongs> i just realized i could change net color override, not just netclass
2014-10-18T12:06:16 < dongs> in altidong
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2014-10-18T12:26:55 < FransWillem> Hmmm, could I use a timer to make a tick on a GPIO pin with just one instruction? e.g. instead of BSRR=pin; BRR=pin; just do TIMx->CNT=0 with a 1 in 0xFFFF PWM duty cycle and an auto reload of 2 or something ?
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2014-10-18T12:36:38 < GargantuaSauce> is your core clock slow enough that the gpio is actually going to be able to be driven that fast?
2014-10-18T12:37:11 < GargantuaSauce> what exactly are you trying to do
2014-10-18T12:38:31 < FransWillem> Basically comes down to 32-bit parallel SPI, if that makes any sense
2014-10-18T12:39:04 < FransWillem> inner loop is something like GPIOA->ODR = *(data++); GPIOB->ODR = *(data++); GPIOCLK->BSRR=CLK; GPIOCLK->BRR=CLK;
2014-10-18T12:39:04 < GargantuaSauce> use dma to the gpio port
2014-10-18T12:39:18 < FransWillem> Hoping to shave off one extra clock tick
2014-10-18T12:39:25 < FransWillem> err, hoping to shave off one extra instruction
2014-10-18T12:39:45 < GargantuaSauce> what is your core clock
2014-10-18T12:40:00 < FransWillem> Not quite sure, I'm new to ARM development :/
2014-10-18T12:40:13 < FransWillem> Is that the speed the processor is supposedly running at? I believe that's 72MHz
2014-10-18T12:40:53 < FransWillem> But the data should be read at clock up, so the speed of the clock going down isn't all that important, as long as it's before actually going up again (but there's *two* memory hits there, so it should have some time for that I suppose)
2014-10-18T12:42:42 < GargantuaSauce> you should definitely look at using dma
2014-10-18T12:43:26 < FransWillem> I need the data on both GPIO ports to be synchronized
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2014-10-18T12:43:48 < FransWillem> And on top of that I need the clock-signal to be synchronized to it too :/
2014-10-18T12:44:04 < FransWillem> I figured that'd probably be too complex for DMA :/
2014-10-18T12:44:13 < GargantuaSauce> well you trigger the dma using timers
2014-10-18T12:44:42 < GargantuaSauce> can use a timer compare output for the clock
2014-10-18T12:45:36 < FransWillem> Hmmm, that might make sense, like having the clock done with a timer, then having both DMAs write their data on clock-down ?
2014-10-18T12:45:45 < GargantuaSauce> yeah
2014-10-18T12:46:41 < FransWillem> Won't the two DMAs have to fight over memory access ?
2014-10-18T12:48:02 < GargantuaSauce> yes
2014-10-18T12:49:03 < dongs> S< GargantuaSauce> use dma to the gpio port
2014-10-18T12:49:05 < dongs> what he said
2014-10-18T12:49:16 < dongs> you can do a gpio->DMA thing driven by a timer
2014-10-18T12:49:38 < dongs> oops, im late
2014-10-18T12:50:34 < GargantuaSauce> also you might want to consider usng the FSMC
2014-10-18T12:50:59 < FransWillem> I looked into it, but I couldn't find enough information to figure out what on earth it was actually doing :/
2014-10-18T12:51:20 < GargantuaSauce> it's only 16 bits wide though so if it absolutely has to be 32 not an option i guess
2014-10-18T12:51:22 < FransWillem> There's lots of documentation on using it with memory chips, but hardly any on how to (ab)use it for anything else
2014-10-18T12:51:51 < GargantuaSauce> unless you used the address pins for data....hmmmm
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2014-10-18T12:52:28 < FransWillem> 16 bit would be OK-ish too if it really gives me a great speed boost
2014-10-18T12:53:30 < FransWillem> Did you ever see that ADAFruit 1/16-scan RGB led panel ?
2014-10-18T12:53:44 < FransWillem> That's basically what I'm trying to drive, but then a 1/8-scan version.
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2014-10-18T12:58:21 < GargantuaSauce> think you definitely want to use dma and the fsmc in that case
2014-10-18T12:58:35 < GargantuaSauce> so you can actually do stuff like service interrupts without grinding the scanning to a halt
2014-10-18T12:58:58 < FransWillem> I don't really need to service interrupts
2014-10-18T12:59:12 < FransWillem> the data comes in pre-processed over SPI through DMA
2014-10-18T12:59:48 < FransWillem> So there's one interrupt, on chip-select going high, that will actually swap the buffers and reset the DMA stuff, but that doesn't visually affect the scanning at all
2014-10-18T12:59:48 < GargantuaSauce> why are you even using a microcontroller then
2014-10-18T12:59:48 < GargantuaSauce> this is fpga territory
2014-10-18T13:00:18 < FransWillem> Because an STM32 is cheap, and an FPGA is expensive
2014-10-18T13:00:51 < FransWillem> I splurged and bought one that a lot of people recommended me, and it turns out the thing has barely enough memory to store 4-bit color, let alone double buffering
2014-10-18T13:01:07 < dongs> cpld?
2014-10-18T13:01:11 < FransWillem> whereas I've got 6-bit color working on my STM32 dev board with double buffering and memory to spare
2014-10-18T13:01:39 < GargantuaSauce> mkay
2014-10-18T13:02:48 < FransWillem> even 8-bit works if I accept a little flickering ;)
2014-10-18T13:02:56 < Thorn> https://class.coursera.org/gpslab-001/
2014-10-18T13:03:08 < dongs> thorn is coursera salesman
2014-10-18T13:04:04 < FransWillem> So ehm, I think I can figure the DMA+timer thing out myself, so I'll whip up a prototype later, but I'm curious about the FSMC stuff
2014-10-18T13:04:25 < FransWillem> Would anyone be able to point me to some documentation on what the FSMC actually is, and what kind of signals it would generate ?
2014-10-18T13:04:36 < dongs> it would generate clock + data
2014-10-18T13:04:38 < dongs> which is waht you need.
2014-10-18T13:04:41 < dongs> you can ignore the rest.
2014-10-18T13:05:50 < FransWillem> But it directly maps to memory or something, right? So let's say I disregard DMA for now, I'd set up FSMC somewhere, then write 16-bit somewhere in that range, and the FSMC would output that with a clock signal ?
2014-10-18T13:06:21 < kuldeepdhaka> FransWillem, afaik a standard interface for parallel lcd
2014-10-18T13:06:30 < GargantuaSauce> yeah the address wouldn't even matter
2014-10-18T13:06:44 < GargantuaSauce> set it up in asynchronous sram mode, write 2 bytes at a time to the base address
2014-10-18T13:07:21 < dongs> http://www.gsmarena.com/yotaphone_launching_in_india_today_exclusively_on_flipkart-news-9963.php fucking want
2014-10-18T13:07:28 < dongs> they can even trash the regular tft off that
2014-10-18T13:07:59 < FransWillem> And then if that works I could possibly do base_addr + some more bits = some bits and even abuse the address bits, I presume ?
2014-10-18T13:08:18 < dongs> I can't understand that phone with two screens, battery go low wery fast, in my opinion
2014-10-18T13:08:22 < dongs> ahaha
2014-10-18T13:08:23 < dongs> wery fast
2014-10-18T13:08:42 < qyx_> omg the comments
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2014-10-18T13:08:50 < qyx_> yep, i was just reading that one
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2014-10-18T13:09:00 < GargantuaSauce> yes i think so FransWillem
2014-10-18T13:09:41 < qyx_> also i don't really see any point in making a phone 5 or 6" big
2014-10-18T13:09:48 < FransWillem> Hmm, worth a shot I suppose :)
2014-10-18T13:10:02 < dongs> qyx, i skipped dixus6 because of that shit
2014-10-18T13:10:06 < dongs> its just so fucking huge
2014-10-18T13:10:26 < FransWillem> One last question, how did you make the decision I should set it to asynchronous SRAM mode? I'm sure it's the correct choice, but I'd like to know why that one
2014-10-18T13:10:57 < GargantuaSauce> simplest write sequence
2014-10-18T13:11:35 < GargantuaSauce> it's a pretty damn fancy peripheral with a very configurable sequencer for all sorts of different memories
2014-10-18T13:11:41 < GargantuaSauce> and you don't care about any of that
2014-10-18T13:12:05 < qyx_> no clocking, just address and data bus and write/read signal
2014-10-18T13:12:17 < dongs> man, if epaper screen was touch, this thing would be fucking amaze
2014-10-18T13:12:38 < FransWillem> qyx_: But I do actually need clocking, right ?
2014-10-18T13:12:46 < GargantuaSauce> you just need the write strobe
2014-10-18T13:13:04 < FransWillem> K :)
2014-10-18T13:13:04 < GargantuaSauce> which can be called a clock but really it's asynchronous because it's not shared with the master clock of the mcu
2014-10-18T13:13:08 < qyx_> dongs: android's UI would need to be completely rewritten
2014-10-18T13:14:11 < GargantuaSauce> you say that like it's a bad thing qyx_
2014-10-18T13:14:29 < qyx_> which one? ui?
2014-10-18T13:14:37 < GargantuaSauce> ya
2014-10-18T13:14:56 < qyx_> i am sayng that just because it's not optimized for epaper
2014-10-18T13:15:03 < qyx_> many swipes, scrolls
2014-10-18T13:15:07 < qyx_> and similar stuff
2014-10-18T13:15:14 < qyx_> it would be hardly usable
2014-10-18T13:15:17 < GargantuaSauce> which are all a waste of battery life anyway
2014-10-18T13:15:55 < dongs> ^
2014-10-18T13:15:59 < qyx_> also there is full white/full black/full white sequence to remove ghosting
2014-10-18T13:17:12 < FransWillem> dongs: Can't you just get one of those capacitive touch overlays for it ?
2014-10-18T13:17:14 < kuldeepdhaka> FransWillem, sorry. after reading your comments i came to know that fsmc is for memories. in the same way lcd can be attached. and communicate. nice :)
2014-10-18T13:17:32 < qyx_> GargantuaSauce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2rfphDBV1o
2014-10-18T13:17:34 < qyx_> like this
2014-10-18T13:17:36 < dongs> FransWillem: im not spending $500 to ghetto some shit up on top of things
2014-10-18T13:18:08 < GargantuaSauce> kuldeepdhaka: technically those lcds actually use a memory bus convention
2014-10-18T13:19:03  * kuldeepdhaka wonders is dongs stupid?
2014-10-18T13:19:33 < dongs> yes
2014-10-18T13:19:46 < kuldeepdhaka> ^ lol
2014-10-18T13:22:07 < kuldeepdhaka> dongs, i suggest you to stick to more informational topics and that are useful
2014-10-18T13:22:54 < dongs> kuldeepdhaka: what the fuck are you even on? i linked to a epaper phone, complained about epaper part not having touch screen, was suggested to ghetto a 'touchscreen overlay' on top of that, and I stated my opinion regarding that. where's the fucking problem.
2014-10-18T13:25:44 < kuldeepdhaka> dongs, other people was discussing a more important. and you are discussing a pathetic topic (afaif). i felt very disrespecting regarding that
2014-10-18T13:26:06 < GargantuaSauce> we're talking about 3 things at once and they only one bitching is you
2014-10-18T13:26:22 < kuldeepdhaka> GargantuaSauce, me?
2014-10-18T13:26:25 < dongs> if you can't handle the chats, /part
2014-10-18T13:26:28 < dongs> easy
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2014-10-18T13:27:59 < kuldeepdhaka> GargantuaSauce, last stmt for me?
2014-10-18T13:28:16 < xkonni> takes practice to handle dongs professionally...
2014-10-18T13:28:24 < xkonni> scnr
2014-10-18T13:30:33 < kuldeepdhaka> dongs, i guess theirs better option than /part. i could that if other have same opinion like you
2014-10-18T13:31:08 < kuldeepdhaka> (still waiting for you comment before /ignore  :)
2014-10-18T13:34:46 < kuldeepdhaka> dongs, thank you (if you are reading)
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2014-10-18T14:06:37 < dongs> kuldeepdhaka, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
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2014-10-18T14:29:14 < FransWillem> Hey dongs, when researching LED matrices I stumbled upon one of your projects, AfroLED. I happen to have that same LED Matrix lying around in my parts bin, is there any chance you still have one of those AfroLED boards lying around that I could buy from you ?
2014-10-18T14:31:42 < dongs> i have a bunch of those boards I think, i never assembled more than one tho
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2014-10-18T14:32:14 < dongs> should be somewhere in my pile of junk
2014-10-18T14:32:28 < dongs> is that the matrix youre trying to drive with 18bits or wahtever?
2014-10-18T14:32:56 < dongs> the fucking led driver i picked had stupid DDR SPI interface instead of proper SPI
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2014-10-18T15:04:04 < karlp> yan_: I updated my code after doing some more work with people here, you should grab the current stuff, it works on l1, f1, f4
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2014-10-18T15:16:02 < FransWillem> dongs: No, it's a completely different thing :)
2014-10-18T15:16:38 < FransWillem> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_0DMUjTb-c&list=UUHq-5fr8fGEsntnNDdJ_ohQ
2014-10-18T15:16:40 < FransWillem> That one
2014-10-18T15:17:24 < FransWillem> This is a similar one to the one I'm trying to drive now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV7_QaHMX1g ;)
2014-10-18T15:19:01 < dongs> yes that one
2014-10-18T15:19:28 < dongs> nice 16x32
2014-10-18T15:19:33 < dongs> but yeah def job for cpld/fpga
2014-10-18T15:19:51 < FransWillem> Probably, but I've already spent too much money on these things to dish out for a custom PCB and an FPGA :p
2014-10-18T15:20:00 < FransWillem> Trying to get this to work with stuff from my parts bin
2014-10-18T15:20:09 < FransWillem> and my only FPGA (Basys 2) didn't seem to be up for the job
2014-10-18T15:21:55 < dongs> uhhh
2014-10-18T15:22:02 < dongs> thats waaaaaaaaay more than enough
2014-10-18T15:22:11 < dongs> (basys2
2014-10-18T15:22:41 < FransWillem> It's only got 12 pins brought out
2014-10-18T15:22:55 < dongs> doesnt it have a shitload of those pmod connectors?
2014-10-18T15:23:17 < dongs>  oh hm
2014-10-18T15:23:18 < dongs> fail
2014-10-18T15:23:19 < dongs> well
2014-10-18T15:23:24 < dongs> you could use shift registers maybe ;d
2014-10-18T15:24:21 < FransWillem> With my current code on a STM32F103ZE development board I've got 7-bit/color working, with 5 boards connected in parallel, and 2 in serial, so 10 boards in total.
2014-10-18T15:24:45 < FransWillem> I doubt I'd hit that with 12 output pins on the basys :p
2014-10-18T15:25:33 < FransWillem> If I can hit 8 bit per color with DMA or FSMC, I'm happy and I'd consider this a succes :)
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2014-10-18T15:55:00 < varesa> FransWillem: If you want to try with FPGAs one cheap board I know is the Lattice MachXO2 breakout board with way more than enough IO at around 25€
2014-10-18T15:56:28 < varesa> FransWillem: http://www.digikey.fi/product-detail/en/LCMXO2-7000HE-B-EVN/220-2625-ND/3906092
2014-10-18T15:56:31 < Laurenceb_> yo dongs
2014-10-18T15:56:39 < Laurenceb_> any CAD files available for afro esc  ?
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2014-10-18T16:00:47 < dongs> nope
2014-10-18T16:00:47 < dongs> sry
2014-10-18T16:00:49 < dongs> no clones 4 u
2014-10-18T16:01:35 < _Sync_> easy enough to beep out
2014-10-18T16:04:01 < karlp> varesa: there's a lattice usb key version too
2014-10-18T16:04:08 < karlp> but that one does lok convenient too
2014-10-18T16:04:23 < dongs> that china spartan6lx9 breakout i got is pretty legit
2014-10-18T16:04:37 < dongs> you need a jtag/usb cable thing for it tho
2014-10-18T16:04:47 < karlp> http://www.digikey.fi/product-detail/en/ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN/220-2656-ND/4289604
2014-10-18T16:05:38 < varesa> karlp: yup, but not that useful if you need a lot of io pins like FransWillem
2014-10-18T16:07:11 < karlp> true indeed
2014-10-18T16:07:19 < varesa> though even that seems to have more IO than his basys
2014-10-18T16:07:58 < varesa> 24 vs 12
2014-10-18T16:08:48 < karlp> there's another cheap lattice board with capsense buttons on it too.
2014-10-18T16:09:04  * karlp shrugs, only ever been looking at them, no experience whatsoever :)
2014-10-18T16:11:09 < varesa> My experience with FPGAs is limited to blinking three leds at different frequencies on my MachXO2 board too
2014-10-18T16:12:05 < varesa> However I ordered some pcbs, one with 7 segment displays and buttons, other with a vga connector so I get atleast some peripherals to play with
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2014-10-18T16:21:43 < jadew> that anonabox project got suspended lol
2014-10-18T16:22:52 < dongs> yep
2014-10-18T16:23:04 < karlp> lies level was too high
2014-10-18T16:23:33 < karlp> if only taobao shopping was easier :)
2014-10-18T16:24:56 < jadew> I wonder what that guy went through
2014-10-18T16:25:15 < jadew> the rush of his life: "OMG, I JUST MADE AT LEAST 1 MILLION IN PROFFIT"
2014-10-18T16:26:10 < Fleck> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153338817394815 :DD
2014-10-18T16:27:21 < jadew> nice one
2014-10-18T16:28:57 < karlp> he actually seemed somewhat sane, "I expected this to be push starting a car, it turned into being handcuffed to a rocket"
2014-10-18T16:30:14 < jadew> wish my campaign suffered from that too :P
2014-10-18T16:30:37 < jadew> but with out the canceling and the shattered dreams
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2014-10-18T16:35:20 < dongs> fuck, tehre isnt a usable angle measure shit in altium
2014-10-18T16:35:33 < dongs> even dicktrace has something
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2014-10-18T16:43:50 < englishman> Karlp taobao shipping is easy, but that doesn't matter since that router is $20 shipped on aliexpress
2014-10-18T16:44:27 < englishman> There's a link in the hackaday post
2014-10-18T16:47:32 < Laurenceb_> im not actually sure they anonbox guy was lying that much
2014-10-18T16:47:43 < Laurenceb_> but all the fanboys screwed it all up
2014-10-18T16:48:02 < englishman> Same as any other kickstarter scam
2014-10-18T16:48:24 < englishman> Find cheap chinashit, tweak something, say you worked on it for 10 years and sell at markup
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2014-10-18T16:54:02 < BrainDamage> the guy claimed open source board being developed since 4 years
2014-10-18T16:56:32 < gnomad> http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/i-made-this-comic.jpg
2014-10-18T16:57:22 < madiz> Laurenceb: on reddit he very clearly said that the router was his own design and the Chinese guy ripped him off making unauthorised copies.
2014-10-18T16:57:47 < dongs> eh
2014-10-18T16:57:57 < dongs> you can contact any shitty chinese odm
2014-10-18T16:58:05 < dongs> ask them if they have design for xyz
2014-10-18T16:58:19 < dongs> make them tweak something (add/remove shit, make it fit into another enclosure etc)
2014-10-18T16:58:30 < dongs> i mean who the fuck is going to 'design" a shitty wireless router from scratch in 2014?
2014-10-18T16:58:35 < madiz> odm is something different than oem ?
2014-10-18T16:58:36 < dongs> that would be fucking dumb, cuz the shit  would fail
2014-10-18T16:58:58 < dongs> the dude took a working design, asked them to do wahtever the fuck changes, and sold it in their enclosure
2014-10-18T16:59:09 < dongs> i dont see where the problem is
2014-10-18T16:59:20 < gnomad> I think the take-away here is that if you are doing a kick-starter scam, don't do a reddit AMA.
2014-10-18T16:59:33 < dongs> who teh fuck even uses reddit
2014-10-18T16:59:37 < dongs> otehr than dumb nerds
2014-10-18T16:59:54 < madiz> reddit is awesome. check out http://www.reddit.com/r/boobies/
2014-10-18T17:00:01 < dongs> i got better shit to do
2014-10-18T17:00:18 < gnomad> reddit is one of the primary sources of people that pay into those scams...
2014-10-18T17:00:29 < PeterM> reddit: the scat bukakke circle jerk.
2014-10-18T17:01:10 < dongs> shhh, im making a bluetooth 4.0 dildo : http://i.imgur.com/6vYLQGl.png
2014-10-18T17:01:45 < PeterM> http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2813
2014-10-18T17:06:09 < dongs> gnomad: again, which part was the scam?
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2014-10-18T17:06:33 < dongs> if that shit got cancelled, i can link about 10 other dickstarter projects that are jsut reselling chinese shit that never got cancelled
2014-10-18T17:06:40 < dongs> (well, I would link them if I had 30 minutes to waste time searching)
2014-10-18T17:07:43 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1070729460/zallus-oven-controller?ref=category_featured lol
2014-10-18T17:07:47 < dongs> HEY LOOK
2014-10-18T17:07:55 < dongs> HES RESELLING A CHINESE 320x240 TFT BREAKOUT!!!!!!!
2014-10-18T17:07:57 < dongs> CANCEL HIM NOW!!!
2014-10-18T17:09:33 < PeterM> retards can burn their money however they want, im not a retard (often) so it doesnt bother me
2014-10-18T17:10:14 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/463050344/durio-sound?ref=category ahaha
2014-10-18T17:11:48 < PeterM> dongs: i wonder if it sounds lie durian smells
2014-10-18T17:11:55 < dongs> wtf, hes using a switching power supply
2014-10-18T17:12:05 < dongs> instant audiophile fail
2014-10-18T17:12:33 < dongs> but yes, thats going to be just like my dickstarter
2014-10-18T17:12:59 < madiz> dongs: the higher harmonics from the power supply add body and character to the music.
2014-10-18T17:13:28 < dongs> yeah? but his page doesnt mention jitter, so forget it
2014-10-18T17:13:36 < dongs> he needs an I2S reclocker in there
2014-10-18T17:13:42 < dongs> and 10MHz external clock reference input
2014-10-18T17:13:45 < dongs> if hes going tobe taken seriously
2014-10-18T17:14:02 < madiz> and he has a low-noise linear LDO on the DAC
2014-10-18T17:14:22 < PeterM> whats its psrr?]
2014-10-18T17:14:49 < PeterM> probably shit
2014-10-18T17:15:01 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/tps7a4700
2014-10-18T17:15:12 < madiz> PeterM: why do you need good psrr if you have a low-noise LDO ?
2014-10-18T17:15:27 < PeterM> if you're feeding it form a noisy as fuck switcher
2014-10-18T17:16:00 < dongs> yeah i did that once, like 500mV ripple from switcher -> LDO, no amount of caps helped, it was still garbage on output
2014-10-18T17:16:21 < PeterM> but the ldo looks like it can handle it, its got pretty good psrr, even at 10mhz
2014-10-18T17:21:45 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/land-boards/develop-a-raspberry-pi-b-sensor-connection-hat?ref=category
2014-10-18T17:22:00 < dongs> man this guy is on a roll
2014-10-18T17:22:04 < dongs> check out his previous projects
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2014-10-18T17:24:38 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/atomcomputer/neutron-a-full-blown-windows-pc-in-the-palm-of-you these guys should be cancelled too. buying intel NUC cit, sticking it into acrylic frame
2014-10-18T17:25:13 < PeterM> if at first you dont succeed, spew out the shame shit over and over again, someone will buy it
2014-10-18T17:25:26 < dongs> englishman: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/935235616/minimax-the-portable-professional-high-dpi-display
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2014-10-18T17:31:31 < dongs> haha 130 bucks for that
2014-10-18T17:32:46 < PeterM> wait... $130 for a DP- eDP board?
2014-10-18T17:32:56 < dongs> yeah
2014-10-18T17:33:02 < dongs> PROPRIETARY dp>edp board.
2014-10-18T17:33:37 < PeterM> at $130 that sounds like DP with no lube...
2014-10-18T17:33:45 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Srpf8X1.png i made this like last year
2014-10-18T17:33:56 < dongs> but it sucks cuz double sided assembly with a real stupid connector
2014-10-18T17:34:07 < dongs> maybe if I redraw it in altium and use minidp i can route shit around on single side
2014-10-18T17:34:32 < PeterM> is it 4l or 2l?
2014-10-18T17:34:38 < dongs> 2 of course
2014-10-18T17:34:42 < dongs> so is theris
2014-10-18T17:34:56 < dongs> it *should* be 4 but none of the ipad/etc cloners bothered to care
2014-10-18T17:35:35 < PeterM> yer, was gonna say, you could probs make it 4l and single sided load
2014-10-18T17:35:45 < dongs> it doesnt matter, its pcie
2014-10-18T17:35:49 < dongs> shit will work over dangling wires
2014-10-18T17:36:05 < dongs> but that board was made in diptrace, so routing differential shit there is a pain in teh ass
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2014-10-18T17:39:57 < PeterM> yeah, shit works over 20c usb 3 cables from china, who gives a crap
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2014-10-18T18:02:03 < karlp> englishman: I didn't find _that_ router for $20 on aliexpress, I found the previous version, which has a slightly different (older) ralink/mediatek soc and less flash
2014-10-18T18:03:01 < karlp> Laurenceb_: anonabox dude calimed that only the first proto had been off the shelf, that everything else had been custom, but second gen was an oolite SoM dev board, third gen was an oolite with a maybe custom baseboard, and fourth gen was off the shelf
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2014-10-18T18:03:41 < karlp> madiz: he might have said it was his design, but that doesn't explain his pcb's ahving USB footprints with no parts mounted, and the whole case being a few years old case design for an audio player,
2014-10-18T18:04:13 < madiz> karlp: yes, I was indicating that he lied.
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2014-10-18T18:26:15 < englishman> Does any of that matter with openwrt or whatever?
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2014-10-18T18:26:41 < englishman> Those pics of it shrunk to make it look smaller were pretty funny
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2014-10-18T18:39:04 < karlp> englishman: what do you mean?
2014-10-18T18:39:33 < karlp> sure, the anonbox was mostly a software project, it should really have just been labelled as such, if that's what you mean
2014-10-18T18:41:43 < dongs> lessons learned: dont bother with opensauce shit
2014-10-18T18:42:12 < karlp> lessons learned: if you're doing a software project, don't try and say it's custom hardware tha tyou need to buy from one place
2014-10-18T18:42:26 < dongs> i still dont see what crime that guy did.
2014-10-18T18:42:29 < dongs> it WAS custom hardware.
2014-10-18T18:42:37 < dongs> he asked the odm to customize the shit for his project.
2014-10-18T18:42:40 < dongs> i.e. removing USB
2014-10-18T18:42:43 < dongs> and shit they didnt need
2014-10-18T18:42:48 < dongs> and adding more flash? or something.
2014-10-18T18:43:16 < karlp> not really, the pcb is available with and without usb from different vendors,  but yeah, it was only a poor choice of wording that got him in trouble for the hardware
2014-10-18T18:43:44 < dongs> was he even overcharging
2014-10-18T18:43:47  * dongs goes to dickstarter to check
2014-10-18T18:43:56 < karlp> not really, it was just his wording that's got him in trouble
2014-10-18T18:44:14 < dongs> $51
2014-10-18T18:44:15 < karlp> that, and it's  just tor+openwrt, so it's ui and softwar,e but he was selling it as years worth of custom hardware
2014-10-18T18:45:00 < karlp> and at least when I first looked it last week, he didn't have his software anywhere, which doesn't win any friends when you're claming open source security product
2014-10-18T18:46:04 < dongs> dunno man
2014-10-18T18:46:20 < dongs> i just dont see the problem
2014-10-18T18:46:28 < karlp> oh, I don't think it should hav ebeen cancelled,
2014-10-18T18:46:32 < dongs> dude found a problem, and solved it wiht some opensauce and hardware
2014-10-18T18:46:45 < dongs> there's a bunch of people who think its needed (i'm not one of them)
2014-10-18T18:46:48 < karlp> if he cleared up the wording, and worked on the software, sure
2014-10-18T18:46:48 < dongs> so clearly there's a demand
2014-10-18T18:47:15 < madist> did he write any code ? I saw a comment by someone that he was using stock openwrt ?
2014-10-18T18:47:16 < karlp> totally, he even said it was not really meant to be a final finished product, but a "next stage in making this easier for people"
2014-10-18T18:47:41 < karlp> madist: stock owrt sure, but there's a bit of work in making a sane ui for a single purpose device
2014-10-18T18:48:14 < dongs> Sorry. You are not using Tor.
2014-10-18T18:48:22 < karlp> but that's what I mean, it was a software project really, "put this on any openwrt device with two ethernet ports, here's one we've been testing with" would have been easier to digest for the haters
2014-10-18T18:50:01 < dongs> i think this shit is reasonable for  $51. at that price point his time would have to be absolutely worthless sitting tehre flashing + testing 7k+ boxes.
2014-10-18T18:50:14 < dongs> and $51 minus like 10% after dickstarter/etc fees
2014-10-18T18:50:27 < karlp> well, he wouldn't be flashing and testing them at all :)
2014-10-18T18:50:37 < dongs> well, not anymore, yes.
2014-10-18T18:50:48 < karlp> and yeah, I don't think it needed to be cancelle,d he just needed to straighten up his wording
2014-10-18T18:51:28 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ritot-the-first-projection-watch these guys are still on a rol lof fial
2014-10-18T18:53:25 < karlp> fucking google, I hate it showing me the right url in the search results, but if you copy that link to paste to someone, it's all google mess
2014-10-18T18:53:31 < karlp> you have to actually click through first to get the real link
2014-10-18T18:53:32 < gxti> holy shit that is a lot of money
2014-10-18T18:53:48 < dongs> karlp: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dont-track-me-google/gdbofhhdmcladcmmfjolgndfkpobecpg
2014-10-18T18:53:58 < dongs> solves the fucking problem
2014-10-18T18:54:01 < dongs> i hate that shit too
2014-10-18T18:54:09 < madist> its also a greasemonkey userscript
2014-10-18T18:54:16 < madist> (so it works on firefucks)
2014-10-18T18:54:54 < madist> (if you don't want to replace one kind of google tracking by another)
2014-10-18T18:55:04 < madist> (by using chrome)
2014-10-18T18:55:25 < gxti> and still not a single real photo
2014-10-18T18:55:34 < gxti> gonna be $1.5mil of sadness right there
2014-10-18T18:55:43 < dongs> gxti: haha
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2014-10-18T19:00:34 < Thorn> the awards sum to $33,404, where does the $1.5M come from
2014-10-18T19:02:45 < jadew> gxti, oh yeah, that one is brilliant
2014-10-18T19:02:48 < gxti> oh, must be 'outside investment' then
2014-10-18T19:02:48 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/airtame-wireless-hdmi-for-everyone--2 holy shit what
2014-10-18T19:03:29 < gxti> same for that, what
2014-10-18T19:03:48 < gxti> $2200 of perks
2014-10-18T19:03:55 < gxti> $1.2mil raised
2014-10-18T19:04:16 < gxti> hmm, maybe the perk counts reset when the original goal ended?
2014-10-18T19:04:20 < dongs> isnt that == google chrome
2014-10-18T19:04:23 < dongs> gxti: what counts?
2014-10-18T19:04:33 < dongs> oh huh
2014-10-18T19:04:35 < gxti> under the perks it says "14 claimed"
2014-10-18T19:04:40 < gxti> "raised $1,268,332 by its January 20, 2014 deadline"
2014-10-18T19:04:46 < jadew> can you stream video on that?
2014-10-18T19:04:46 < gxti> so that's probably it. lazy igg programmers.
2014-10-18T19:04:55 < dongs> indieshittygo must be failing
2014-10-18T19:05:03 < dongs> probably someone forgot to edit php
2014-10-18T19:05:09 < gxti> it's $2k past what it originally raised, so that's it
2014-10-18T19:05:17 < gxti> phailure
2014-10-18T19:05:20 < dongs> usually the counts are correct
2014-10-18T19:05:22 < jadew> gxti, it's forever funding
2014-10-18T19:05:32 < dongs> forever scamming more like
2014-10-18T19:05:40 < gxti> i.e. it's a store, where you buy failure
2014-10-18T19:05:43 < dongs> igg basically keeps taking thier % of fees, and sells your shit
2014-10-18T19:05:44 < dongs> yes
2014-10-18T19:05:46 < Thorn> is this a photo or rendered https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/937637/files/20141017042144-PCB.jpg?1413544904
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2014-10-18T19:05:53 < dongs> photo
2014-10-18T19:06:04 < FransWillem> Has anyone ever used the FSMC for anything other than memory?
2014-10-18T19:06:13 < dongs> that looks like some freescale Soc
2014-10-18T19:06:15 < dongs> probly some i.MX shit
2014-10-18T19:06:35 < jadew> can you actually decompress video fast enough with that tiny thing?
2014-10-18T19:06:39 < zyp> FransWillem, yes, what are you thinking about?
2014-10-18T19:06:48 < dongs> jadew: apple lighting HDMI adapterdoes it :)
2014-10-18T19:06:48 < jadew> also, how about compression of video in real time?
2014-10-18T19:07:00 < jadew> dongs, interresting
2014-10-18T19:07:07 < gxti> FransWillem: zyp hooked a fpga to his is and is now a fpga expert
2014-10-18T19:07:10 < zyp> «that tiny thing»
2014-10-18T19:07:17 < dongs> jadew: its basically some shitty arm proc w/HDMI out, that gets compressed h264 over usb.lighting
2014-10-18T19:07:25 < zyp> gxti, oh yes
2014-10-18T19:07:29 < FransWillem> I've set all my outputs to AF_PP, pretty much copied the SRAM initialization sequence from the examples in the STD periph stuff, then have for (i=0;1;i++) ((uint16_t)0x60000000)=i;, and at this point I'd be happy if I could either detect the data pins to do something, or a write strobe somewhere, but everything stays silent
2014-10-18T19:07:44 < jadew> dongs, got it
2014-10-18T19:08:11 < FransWillem> To check if everything is actually running I put in a GPIO->ODR ^= PIN_DBG;, and my logic analyzer does pick that one up, but nothing on the FSMC_D0 or FSMC_D15 line :/
2014-10-18T19:08:32 < zyp> did you set the pins to the right AF too?
2014-10-18T19:08:33 < FransWillem> zyp: Any idea what could be going wrong ?
2014-10-18T19:08:45 < Thorn> FransWillem: (uint16_t*)0x60000000 should be volatile
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2014-10-18T19:09:32 < jadew> why do they need so many people for such a simple project tho?
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2014-10-18T19:09:45 < jadew> seems like a one man job
2014-10-18T19:09:58 < jadew> except maybe for the design, which can be outsourced for $200
2014-10-18T19:10:27 < FransWillem> YES! Thank you Thorn! :D
2014-10-18T19:10:33 < dongs> jadew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromecast
2014-10-18T19:10:43 < dongs> jadew: released july 2013
2014-10-18T19:10:45 < dongs> for $35
2014-10-18T19:10:50 < dongs> does *exactly* same thing
2014-10-18T19:11:03 < FransWillem> Alright, now on which pin should I see the write strobe ?
2014-10-18T19:11:05 < jadew> ah, I thought that's something different, I didn't look much into it
2014-10-18T19:11:17 < zyp> FransWillem, FSMC_NWE
2014-10-18T19:11:44 < jadew> dongs, there's also the FF based one
2014-10-18T19:11:51 < dongs> yeah. matchstick or someshit
2014-10-18T19:11:54 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-18T19:12:02 < dongs> but that one isnt a ripoff.
2014-10-18T19:12:03 < dongs> its like $30
2014-10-18T19:12:07 < dongs> which is reasonable.
2014-10-18T19:12:14 < jadew> $25
2014-10-18T19:12:26 < jadew> I backed that with $18
2014-10-18T19:12:52 < dongs> what do you get for $18
2014-10-18T19:12:59 < jadew> the device
2014-10-18T19:13:13 < dongs> oh, you got some early thing?
2014-10-18T19:13:14 < jadew> the matchstick or whatever is called
2014-10-18T19:13:26 < jadew> not sure, give me a second to check (I hope I'm not mistaken)
2014-10-18T19:13:29 < dongs> $18 is pretty fucking cheap for it
2014-10-18T19:14:18 < jadew> ah, $23
2014-10-18T19:14:26 < jadew> don't know where I got the $18 from
2014-10-18T19:14:35 < FransWillem> zyps, Thorn: Thanks!
2014-10-18T19:14:42 < FransWillem> Seems I got it working :D
2014-10-18T19:15:01 < FransWillem> Or at least my logic analyzer is picking something up :)
2014-10-18T19:15:32 < dongs> omg, so many "forever funding" shits on igg now
2014-10-18T19:15:41 < dongs> that place is turning into a forever-scam
2014-10-18T19:15:48 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-18T19:16:08 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-rufus-cuff-a-wrist-communicator neptune pine 2.0
2014-10-18T19:16:15 < jadew> which is sad because kickstarter doesn't host for my country
2014-10-18T19:18:37 < zyp> I heard kickstarter recently started supporting norway, so I guess I should put together some scams now
2014-10-18T19:18:40 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/887946/files/20140928114347-PR_5.png?1411929827 haha wtf is this
2014-10-18T19:19:38 < zyp> that's a pretty sparsely populated pcb
2014-10-18T19:19:57 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/912208/files/20141007144128-RC_Size_Chart.png?1412718088
2014-10-18T19:19:58 < zyp> uh
2014-10-18T19:20:00 < dongs> prototype for this shit
2014-10-18T19:20:04 < jadew> zyp, it's ok, it goes in the backpack
2014-10-18T19:20:07 < zyp> are those chip antennas in the middle of a ground plane?
2014-10-18T19:20:19 < gxti> haha yes
2014-10-18T19:21:05 < jadew> lol
2014-10-18T19:21:17 < dongs> nintey fucking two mm
2014-10-18T19:21:21 < dongs> that thing is giant
2014-10-18T19:22:06 < jadew> I don't understand forever funding
2014-10-18T19:22:26 < dongs> my guess is
2014-10-18T19:22:31 < dongs> once its succeeded
2014-10-18T19:22:37 < dongs> they keep taking payments nad charging immediately
2014-10-18T19:22:38 < jadew> if you reach your goal, you make your product and then sell it via other channels with out paying 5% to indiegogo
2014-10-18T19:22:49 < dongs> no shit, but thats not in the interest of indiefail
2014-10-18T19:23:17 < dongs> bedtime
2014-10-18T19:23:21 < jadew> night
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2014-10-18T20:08:03 < Thorn> why is f429 so expensive
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2014-10-18T20:30:43 < emeb_mac> becuz its the shizzle
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2014-10-18T21:08:16 < FransWillem> GargantuaSauce: Hey, it was a nice trick to also use the address bus from the FSMC, but I've just timed every possible way of clocking out that data, and it appears FSMS is marginally slower than simply doing data = *(ptr++); GPIOA->ODR = data; GPIOB->ODR = data >> 16; GPIOC->BSRR = CLK; GPIOC->BRR = CLK;
2014-10-18T21:08:21 < FransWillem> GargantuaSauce: Still, thanks for the tip :)
2014-10-18T21:13:38 < karlp> what pcb format is .DDB?
2014-10-18T21:17:08 < karlp> ok, altium designer viewer should work, but tedious
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2014-10-18T21:19:32 < jpa-> FransWillem: how fast is that loop?
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2014-10-18T21:26:11 < Thorn> fsmc has configurable delays
2014-10-18T21:28:03 < jpa-> but it always takes 6 cycles per operation IIRC
2014-10-18T21:28:45 < jpa-> i wonder if F4 DMA in burst mode would be any faster than a software loop.. probably not, as i don't think gpio's have dma fifos on them
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2014-10-18T23:48:07 < FransWillem> jpa-: The loop is basically data = *(ptr++); GPIOA->ODR=data; GPIOB->ODR = data>>16; GPIOC->BSRR = CLK; GPIOC->BRR = CLK;, and the FSMC example abusing the address lines was (assembly coded) ldr r0, [ptr], #4; lsrs r1, r0, 16; str r0, [fsmc base in register, r1];. I believe the difference was 10,8us 64 iterations for FSMC, and 9.somethingus for the normal loop. I'd already set the FSMC delays
2014-10-18T23:48:07 < FransWillem> to minimum
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2014-10-18T23:49:01 < FransWillem> err, actually, that was strh, sorry :)
2014-10-18T23:52:00 < FransWillem> My next try (tomorrow) will be to embed the clock line in the data, seeing as I only need 30-bits. So the GPIOB->ODR=data>>16 will set that line to 0 (hopefully), and then I'd only need one GPIOB->BSRR = GPIO_Pin_15; to strobe the clock, which would shave off one more instruction
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2014-10-18T23:56:05 < bvernoux> FransWillem: using DMA will be faster
2014-10-18T23:56:14 < bvernoux> if you want something faster ...
2014-10-18T23:59:00 < FransWillem> bvernoux: You mean DMA with FSMC, or with the direct to GPIO method ?
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2014-10-19T00:00:05 < bvernoux> both ;)
2014-10-19T00:00:13 < bvernoux> it depends what you want to do
2014-10-19T00:00:27 < FransWillem> Think of it like a 30-bit parallel SPI, that's the best I can describe it :p
2014-10-19T00:00:40 < FransWillem> I think there's a possibility of using DMA with the GPIO approach
2014-10-19T00:01:13 < bvernoux> yes with GPIO too
2014-10-19T00:01:16 < FransWillem> but with the FSMC and the way I'll have to abuse the address lines (e.g. writing the top 16-bit to an address based on the bottom 14 ones) I'm not too sure it's possible with DMA :/
2014-10-19T00:01:37 < FransWillem> Although I must admit the first time I read an STM32 reference manual was 2 days ago, so I could be completely misreading this thing
2014-10-19T00:02:20 < bvernoux> with DMA all can be done you can link stuff and even trig DMA with timer ...
2014-10-19T00:02:28 < bvernoux> it is just a bit harder to configure
2014-10-19T00:03:03 < qyx_> i am afraid FransWillem is right
2014-10-19T00:03:09 < qyx_> that probably won't be doable using DMA
2014-10-19T00:03:44 < qyx_> because you would need to change DMA address according to actual data
2014-10-19T00:04:31 < bvernoux> yes in that case it is not optimum to use DMA
2014-10-19T00:04:46 < bvernoux> DMA is nice for linear access with multiple bytes
2014-10-19T00:05:02 < bvernoux> else linked list work fine too but a bit slower
2014-10-19T00:05:35 < FransWillem> I think my next bet will be GargantuaSauce's idea, split the data in two uint16_t buffers, have two DMAs write to GPIOA and GPIOB respectively, have them trigger on a timer, and have the timer also do the clock-strobing
2014-10-19T00:05:52 < FransWillem> Then see how fast I can clock that timer before all hell breaks loose
2014-10-19T00:06:21 < FransWillem> I'm worried about two DMAs both accessing memory at the same time though
2014-10-19T00:06:57 < GargantuaSauce> it's well-defined behaviour
2014-10-19T00:07:01 < bvernoux> FransWillem: you can clock the timer ultra fast ;)
2014-10-19T00:07:02 < GargantuaSauce> check the arbitration section
2014-10-19T00:07:06 < bvernoux> up to 80MHz ;)
2014-10-19T00:07:18 < bvernoux> but clock the MCU @168MHZ
2014-10-19T00:07:28 < bvernoux> as the DMA is on Bus and Bus is at freq of MCU
2014-10-19T00:07:37 < FransWillem> Yeah, it's probably well defined, but they can't access it at the same time, so there's at least two reads needed, whereas with the manual method you can do a single 32-bit read and split it up
2014-10-19T00:07:53 < bvernoux> DMA IIRC requires 1 or 2 cycles for each access after the worst case will be peripheral access time
2014-10-19T00:08:10 < GargantuaSauce> overclocking is definitely not off the table either, i've run my f103 at 144mhz stably
2014-10-19T00:08:20 < FransWillem> I'm using the STM32F103ZET6, which has a maximum speed of 72mhz, so no 168mhz for me :p
2014-10-19T00:08:22 < GargantuaSauce> the limiting factor will be io slew rate
2014-10-19T00:08:28 < bvernoux> FransWillem: just use a specific bank for that dedicated to DMA
2014-10-19T00:08:33 < FransWillem> Oh, you can overclock those :p?
2014-10-19T00:08:42 < bvernoux> as M4F will freeze DMA
2014-10-19T00:08:42 < FransWillem> bvernoux: Bingo! was about to ask that :)
2014-10-19T00:08:53 < bvernoux> M4 have top priority on Bus
2014-10-19T00:09:07 < bvernoux> DMA always wait behind at least a burst
2014-10-19T00:09:23 < bvernoux> M4 cannot interrupt a burst transfer so bigger the burst faster the stuff ;)
2014-10-19T00:09:24 < FransWillem> Don't suppose I could lay both buffers out strategically in different SRAM banks or something ?
2014-10-19T00:09:47 < GargantuaSauce> f1 doesnt have ccm does it
2014-10-19T00:09:48 < bvernoux> just avoid any access to same bank as DMA
2014-10-19T00:10:17 < bvernoux> yes and use CCM for M4 data
2014-10-19T00:10:21 < bvernoux> or code
2014-10-19T00:10:47 < bvernoux> anyway execution from flash work fine as there is also a cache from flash
2014-10-19T00:11:02 < qyx_> f103 has no CCM
2014-10-19T00:11:06 < FransWillem> Hopefully not a too silly question, but what's M4 ?
2014-10-19T00:11:11 < qyx_> cortex m4
2014-10-19T00:11:14 < qyx_> your is M3
2014-10-19T00:11:17 < FransWillem> Oh, the main CPU
2014-10-19T00:11:28 < qyx_> so it doesnt apply
2014-10-19T00:11:34 < bvernoux> ha you are using STM32F103 sorry
2014-10-19T00:11:41 < bvernoux> i was thinking it was STM32F4
2014-10-19T00:11:56 < bvernoux> => switch to a real MCU  ;)F
2014-10-19T00:11:59 < bvernoux> F4 rulez
2014-10-19T00:12:01 < qyx_> pls
2014-10-19T00:12:07 < bvernoux> and soon F7 ...
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2014-10-19T00:15:13 < GargantuaSauce> and yeah embedding the clock in gpio dma may be the way to go, but a timer compare output would probably work better
2014-10-19T00:15:55 < FransWillem> embedding the clock in the GPIO data was an idea for the manual loop, for DMA I'd rather not as it means I'll have to duplicate all my data.
2014-10-19T00:16:43 < FransWillem> BTw, speaking of the CPU reading memory while doing instructions, is there a better way to wait for something (like a timer) than just a budy while loop ?
2014-10-19T00:16:45 < FransWillem> busy
2014-10-19T00:17:05 < FransWillem> e.g. could I just tell the thing to stop processing instructions until a timer interrupt happens ?
2014-10-19T00:17:46 < bvernoux> using wfe for example
2014-10-19T00:18:05 < GargantuaSauce> interrupts may be a bit more latency
2014-10-19T00:18:19 < bvernoux> yes interrupt take at least 12cycles
2014-10-19T00:18:29 < bvernoux> DMA without Interrupt is the fastest possible things
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2014-10-19T00:21:24 < jpa-> bvernoux: why is dma to gpio faster than cpu writing to gpio?
2014-10-19T00:21:39 < bvernoux> jpa-: because DMA can do it in burst
2014-10-19T00:21:57 < jpa-> reads from memory yeah, but not the peripheral writes to gpio
2014-10-19T00:21:59 < bvernoux> and by doing a loop you take at least 4 cycles for nothing DMA will do that in 1 cycle
2014-10-19T00:22:15 < bvernoux> yes the limitation will be peripheral/mem speed
2014-10-19T00:22:17 < jpa-> can dma on stm32 do transfer on every clock?
2014-10-19T00:22:25 < bvernoux> yes it can
2014-10-19T00:22:35 < bvernoux> DMA latency is 1 or 2 cycles max IIRC
2014-10-19T00:22:42 < bvernoux> and using burst 0
2014-10-19T00:22:54 < bvernoux> anyway for that purpose it cannot use burst
2014-10-19T00:23:04 < qyx_> really? i wasn't that convinced last time i checked
2014-10-19T00:23:07 < FransWillem> Hmmm, fuck, one thing I'm overlooking
2014-10-19T00:23:15 < bvernoux> at least on F4
2014-10-19T00:23:19 < jpa-> i'm not convinced either
2014-10-19T00:23:21 < bvernoux> i do not know on F1
2014-10-19T00:23:39 < qyx_> so you are saying that max dma clock is 84MHz?
2014-10-19T00:23:46 < FransWillem> Let's say I set up two DMAs, one to GPIOA, one to GPIOB, and a timer to do the clock ticks, then when the clock goes down I want both DMAs to fire.
2014-10-19T00:23:47 < qyx_> ..or?
2014-10-19T00:23:53 < bvernoux> yes it depends on dma clock
2014-10-19T00:24:00 < FransWillem> How? Seeing as there's no timer event that will trigger *two* DMA channels :/
2014-10-19T00:24:05 < bvernoux> so bus clock ...
2014-10-19T00:24:24 < bvernoux> IIRC DMA clock can be up to sysclk
2014-10-19T00:24:32 < jpa-> bvernoux: you claim dma can do a peripheral write on every sysclk cycle?
2014-10-19T00:24:46 < zyp> FransWillem, use two channel events and configure both channels to the same period?
2014-10-19T00:24:53 < bvernoux> jpa-: or sysclk/2 ;)
2014-10-19T00:25:09 < FransWillem> zyp: You mean two timers ?
2014-10-19T00:25:11 < bvernoux> anyway GPIO are limited to 84MHz on F4
2014-10-19T00:25:20 < bvernoux> so syclk/2
2014-10-19T00:25:22 < FransWillem> Oh wait! one timer can have two channels, i forgot that! :D
2014-10-19T00:25:31 < zyp> FreezingCold, no, channels
2014-10-19T00:25:42 < zyp> the timers have four channels
2014-10-19T00:25:57 < FransWillem> Oh, yes, should've said multiple instead of two :)
2014-10-19T00:26:05 < FreezingCold> zyp: I didn't ask.
2014-10-19T00:26:07 < jpa-> bvernoux: he is writing to several ports
2014-10-19T00:26:25 < bvernoux> so use 2 DMA ;)
2014-10-19T00:26:31 < bvernoux> 1 for each port in 2 banks ;)
2014-10-19T00:26:50 < bvernoux> on F4 there is 2 DMA controller independant
2014-10-19T00:26:59 < jpa-> they still share the bus, right?
2014-10-19T00:27:16 < bvernoux> if port are different they could not share it
2014-10-19T00:27:19 < jpa-> or can the apb matrix handle multiple simultaneous requests as long as the source/dest don't overlap?
2014-10-19T00:27:33 < bvernoux> anyway such things is not specified ;) I will say they share the same bus on the peripheral at least
2014-10-19T00:28:31 < bvernoux> I think worst case is peripheral PortA & B for example will be read sequentially
2014-10-19T00:29:43 < GargantuaSauce> by my count the upper bound for speed is one 32 bit write every 3 cycles
2014-10-19T00:30:03 < kakeman> my first debug
2014-10-19T00:30:06 < GargantuaSauce> if there is no cpu involvement
2014-10-19T00:30:07 < bvernoux> anyway I think it will be faster than with cpu loop
2014-10-19T00:30:18 < Thorn> I think simultaneous transactions are allowed when buses don't overlap
2014-10-19T00:30:25 < FransWillem> Hmmm, ok, one more thing to consider: If I have this timer running really really fast, how will I make sure it'll only do 64 clockticks ?
2014-10-19T00:30:46 < kakeman> program stalls to this line   while (!(LPC_SYSCON->SYSPLLSTAT & 0x01));      /* Wait Until PLL Locked    */
2014-10-19T00:31:04 < bvernoux> kakeman: LPC ?
2014-10-19T00:31:17 < bvernoux> kakeman: you are on STM32 chan not NXP LPCxxx
2014-10-19T00:31:19 < kakeman> 1313
2014-10-19T00:31:21 < GargantuaSauce> it'd be cool if all the gpio ODRs were mapped to adjacent addresses so you could do a single 32 bit write
2014-10-19T00:32:20 < bvernoux> GargantuaSauce: or GPIO ODR will be up to 32bits too
2014-10-19T00:32:32 < bvernoux> but it is limited to 16bits even on F4
2014-10-19T00:32:34 < GargantuaSauce> yeah or that
2014-10-19T00:32:36 < jpa-> FransWillem: you can set transfer count on dma
2014-10-19T00:32:43 < kakeman> bvernoux: just a differend nyance.. besides there is people here doing both
2014-10-19T00:33:11 < bvernoux> kakeman: anyway if PLL does not lock you are overclocking the stuff or other things is wrong
2014-10-19T00:33:42 < FransWillem> jpa-: That would only stop the data pins from changing, the clock pin the timer is also outputting to would still keep ticking with the timer, and shift out my data too far
2014-10-19T00:33:59 < jpa-> FransWillem: ah
2014-10-19T00:34:08 < bvernoux> FransWillem: you want accurate timing too with the capture ?
2014-10-19T00:34:20 < jpa-> FransWillem: you can set another timer to gate it.. those are quite complex, but can be done
2014-10-19T00:34:50 < FransWillem> bvernoux: Basically I want to shift out 64-bits to 30 shift registers in parallel, so yes, it'll have to stop in time :p
2014-10-19T00:35:11 < bvernoux> FransWillem: and at which frequency you want to do that ?
2014-10-19T00:35:29 < FransWillem> Although possibly I could do three DMAs, one running at twice the speed with just the clock signal, I suppose :p
2014-10-19T00:35:35 < bvernoux> as maybe SPI in high speed mode 42MHz could do the trick with little hw behind ;)
2014-10-19T00:35:39 < FransWillem> bvernoux: as fast as STM32-ily possibly :p
2014-10-19T00:35:45 < bvernoux> serdes ;)
2014-10-19T00:36:56 < jpa-> FransWillem: or you can just combine the clock with the data on same port and have the dma run at 2x the data rate
2014-10-19T00:37:27 < bvernoux> anyway F1 seems pretty limited for that
2014-10-19T00:37:44 < bvernoux> with default freq limited too IIRC something like 72MHZ max
2014-10-19T00:37:52 < FransWillem> jpa-: Yes, but seeing as that data is an image, and has to come from somewhere (read raspberry pi over SPI), I'd rather not have to duplicate it :p
2014-10-19T00:38:27 < bvernoux> FransWillem: and 16bits port is not enough ?
2014-10-19T00:38:34 < jpa-> FransWillem: if the data comes in over spi, why does the speed where you push it out have to be faster?
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2014-10-19T00:38:50 < jpa-> pwm or something?
2014-10-19T00:38:53 < GargantuaSauce> yep
2014-10-19T00:38:54 < FransWillem> Exactly :)
2014-10-19T00:39:00 < jpa-> makes sense
2014-10-19T00:39:04 < FransWillem> Crap
2014-10-19T00:39:06 < jpa-> fpga would be ideal for this :P
2014-10-19T00:39:10 < FransWillem> Are F4's really that much faster ?
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2014-10-19T00:39:26 < bvernoux> FransWillem: yes at least 2 time faster than F1
2014-10-19T00:39:28 < GargantuaSauce> >2x the clock speed and fancier architecture
2014-10-19T00:39:29 < jpa-> they are faster, but i'm not sure they really have much benefit for this application
2014-10-19T00:39:48 < bvernoux> FransWillem: internal architecture of F4 is probably also 2x faster than F1
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2014-10-19T00:39:50 < FransWillem> Because I might just have forgotten that I have an STM32F4 discovery in the same to-play-with-some-day bin that this STM32F103ZE came from :/
2014-10-19T00:40:08 < GargantuaSauce> well the software solution with the code on CCM would free up the bus entirely for peripheral writes
2014-10-19T00:40:28 < GargantuaSauce> er and memory reads
2014-10-19T00:40:34 < bvernoux> GargantuaSauce: or just keep code in flash ;)
2014-10-19T00:40:55 < GargantuaSauce> oh right there's an i-bus, not sure how i forgot that
2014-10-19T00:41:11 < bvernoux> if the DMA do the copy from peripheral to a dedicated SRAM bank it will be only limited by the peripheral speed & DMA latency
2014-10-19T00:41:12 < jpa-> von neuman invaded your brains
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2014-10-19T00:41:22 < GargantuaSauce> yeah, screw that guy
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2014-10-19T00:42:34 < FransWillem> Fuck... this thing is more than twice as fast as the F103 I've been using, how the fuck did I forget I had this ?
2014-10-19T00:42:42 < GargantuaSauce> i think you should do this with 74ac logic
2014-10-19T00:42:52 < GargantuaSauce> that will get you on hackaday for sure
2014-10-19T00:43:17 < bvernoux> GargantuaSauce: no HackADay prefer Arduino stuff ;)
2014-10-19T00:43:32 < FransWillem> I don't want to be on hackaday, I want to feel like I didn't waste my money by having bought those LED boards in the first place :p
2014-10-19T00:43:42 < GargantuaSauce> hehe
2014-10-19T00:44:08 < bvernoux> FransWillem: you will don't loose time on F4 the hw is very good
2014-10-19T00:44:18 < GargantuaSauce> yeah i am a fan
2014-10-19T00:44:21 < bvernoux> FransWillem: and you will have margin to do other stuff ;)
2014-10-19T00:44:35 < FransWillem> Wish there was a dual-core thing somewhere :p
2014-10-19T00:44:43 < bvernoux> yes a dual core will be a must
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2014-10-19T00:44:50 < bvernoux> FransWillem: else use LPC4330 ;)
2014-10-19T00:44:51 < GargantuaSauce> oh well on that note i have one more retarded idea for you
2014-10-19T00:44:58 < GargantuaSauce> one avr8 per row
2014-10-19T00:45:04 < FransWillem> So I could get standard image data over UART, preprocess it for the PWM-loop on one core, then do the actual PWM loop on the other
2014-10-19T00:45:17 < Thorn> kakeman: I had that once, then I resoldered the xtal
2014-10-19T00:45:21 < bvernoux> FransWillem: yes multi core to drive specific stuff is a must have
2014-10-19T00:45:26 < FransWillem> :p
2014-10-19T00:45:38 < bvernoux> FransWillem: personnally i use LPC4370 to do things like that on USB HS ;)
2014-10-19T00:45:52 < bvernoux> FransWillem: 1 M0 is dedicated to USB HS link running at 400Mbit/s
2014-10-19T00:46:07 < bvernoux> FransWillem: in sustained streaming of course
2014-10-19T00:46:07 < FransWillem> Oh that's fucking awesome :)
2014-10-19T00:46:19 < bvernoux> of course it is pure DMA
2014-10-19T00:46:23 < bvernoux> CPU is free
2014-10-19T00:46:25 < kakeman> Thorn: thing is that I don't have xtal and i'm just studying system_lpc13xx.c file
2014-10-19T00:46:50 < bvernoux> kakeman: it explain the PLL fail
2014-10-19T00:46:52 < kakeman> I thought it was ready file to use
2014-10-19T00:46:57 < Thorn> you have to change the default config then
2014-10-19T00:47:03 < kakeman> just throw it in and go
2014-10-19T00:47:04 < GargantuaSauce> is it perhaps configured incorrectly to use external osc then kakeman?
2014-10-19T00:47:08 < bvernoux> kakeman: I doubt you can use internal clock for things > 48MHz it is too instable even if they have trimmed it
2014-10-19T00:47:27 < bvernoux> kakeman: and internal clock does not work for USB too as it is too instable
2014-10-19T00:47:36 < kakeman> ye
2014-10-19T00:47:38 < bvernoux> or maybe just for FS
2014-10-19T00:47:55 < bvernoux> internal clock are in best case trimmed to 1% stability ;)
2014-10-19T00:48:00 < kakeman> I think I can get my leds blinking without ppl
2014-10-19T00:48:03 < bvernoux> so use external XTAL ;)
2014-10-19T00:48:10 < kakeman> PLL
2014-10-19T00:48:19 < bvernoux> yes you do not need PLL to blink led ;)
2014-10-19T00:48:24 < bvernoux> you are using IRC i hinkt
2014-10-19T00:48:26 < bvernoux> think
2014-10-19T00:48:26 < kakeman> I don't need usb or frequency accuracy
2014-10-19T00:48:31 < bvernoux> it is 12MHz by default
2014-10-19T00:50:01 < bvernoux> for those interested in xtreme performance using multi core the fw i'm working on will be published on github soon
2014-10-19T00:50:14 < bvernoux> it use LPC4370 the latest high perf MCU from NXP
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2014-10-19T00:51:16 < kakeman> can you use any optimization with debuging?
2014-10-19T00:51:34 < kakeman> compiler -O flahs
2014-10-19T00:51:36 < kakeman> flags
2014-10-19T00:52:06 < bvernoux> yes
2014-10-19T00:52:28 < bvernoux> but you will have less debug "points"
2014-10-19T00:52:50 < bvernoux> some things too optimized cannot be tracked anymore on some part of code
2014-10-19T00:53:04 < kakeman> yes
2014-10-19T00:53:07 < bvernoux> and you need to check mixed C/ASM to understand
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2014-10-19T00:53:59 < FransWillem> Alright, bedtime now, tomorrow STM32F4 discovering to do, thanks everyone for all the help :)
2014-10-19T00:54:14 < FransWillem> Thanks to you guys I'm finally getting the grasp of coding on ARM devices instead of AVRs :D
2014-10-19T00:54:29 < GargantuaSauce> one of us! one of us! one of us!
2014-10-19T00:54:47 < FransWillem> Even if I don't get to drive these LEDs fast enough, I'm happy I finally took the time to experiment with the STM chips :)
2014-10-19T00:55:01 < bvernoux> yes it is a very good step
2014-10-19T00:55:24 < bvernoux> AVR are good to learn STM are good for industrial stuff ;)
2014-10-19T00:55:49 < bvernoux> or just to be not limited when you are doing a big software ...
2014-10-19T00:56:31 < FransWillem> Oh, and could anyone explain to me why this devkit which I got off dealextreme at some point is >$30 (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Open103Z-Standard-STM32F103ZET6-STM32F103-STM32-ARM-Cortex-M3-Development-Board-PL2303-USB-UART-Module-Kit/484706994.html)
2014-10-19T00:56:41 < FransWillem> whereas an STM32F4 discovery is only like 15$ ?
2014-10-19T00:57:00 < GargantuaSauce> the discovery boards are almost certainly sold below cost
2014-10-19T00:57:06 < bvernoux> because ST does not win any money
2014-10-19T00:57:34 < bvernoux> 15USD for STM32F4 Discovery is the price of the MCU alone on DIgiKey ;)
2014-10-19T00:57:38 < GargantuaSauce> also the Z packaged mcus are a bit expensive
2014-10-19T00:57:52 < GargantuaSauce> so many pins!
2014-10-19T00:58:06 < bvernoux> NXP are less expensive ;)
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2014-10-19T00:58:19 < bvernoux> I hope ST will lower the price for high perf versions
2014-10-19T00:58:55 < kakeman> can st compete with chips like lpc1111
2014-10-19T00:58:58 < kakeman> ?
2014-10-19T00:59:09 < kakeman> I have not compared yet
2014-10-19T00:59:39 < GargantuaSauce> the f030 and f050 are very cheap
2014-10-19T00:59:42 < bvernoux> i'm pretty sure low cost version are comparable
2014-10-19T00:59:48 < bvernoux> the low power version
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2014-10-19T01:00:13 < bvernoux> i'm speaking on high speed version which are not low cost ;)
2014-10-19T01:00:14 < [7]> GargantuaSauce: get me some for $<0.5 then ;)
2014-10-19T01:00:24 < GargantuaSauce> needs volume
2014-10-19T01:00:34 < FransWillem> Goddamnit, still not off to bed :p
2014-10-19T01:00:40 < [7]> GargantuaSauce: 100pcs ;)
2014-10-19T01:00:47 < GargantuaSauce> that is not volume unfortunately :(
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2014-10-19T01:01:00 < [7]> GargantuaSauce: yeah, but what do you think does it cost at higher volume?
2014-10-19T01:01:06 < [7]> and can $0.5 a pop at 100 be beaten?
2014-10-19T01:01:18 < FransWillem> One more thing that my mind made up: If you wanted to transfer a lot of data from a Raspberry Pi to an STM32, preferably using DMA, preferably fast, what would you pick, SPI or UART ?
2014-10-19T01:01:27 < GargantuaSauce> spi for sure
2014-10-19T01:01:47 < FransWillem> Even with the horrible state of SPI drivers on the raspbi?
2014-10-19T01:01:52 < [7]> FransWillem: SPI is faster, but it depends mostly on whether you need synchronous or asynchronous communication
2014-10-19T01:02:19 < GargantuaSauce> a contact of mine got a few hundred f050 for like .4 each i think
2014-10-19T01:02:22 < GargantuaSauce> i was mad jelly
2014-10-19T01:02:23 < [7]> i.e. who initiates the transfer of messages, if the communication in/out streams are independent of each other, etc.
2014-10-19T01:02:30 < GargantuaSauce> that was a Deal though
2014-10-19T01:02:50 < FransWillem> [7]: STM32 would only be receiving, and the transfer would be initiated by the other party.
2014-10-19T01:03:05 < [7]> so just unidirectional data streaming?
2014-10-19T01:03:13 < [7]> how fast does it need to be? more than 3-5mbit/s?
2014-10-19T01:03:19 < [7]> if yes: spi
2014-10-19T01:03:27 < GargantuaSauce> i am not familiar with the rpi's io drivers but spi can definitely run about an order of magnitude faster
2014-10-19T01:03:47  * [7] would probably throw out the pi in the first place
2014-10-19T01:03:49 < FransWillem> Ok, I'll keep that in mind when plotting out my pin assignment tomorrow :)
2014-10-19T01:04:02 < GargantuaSauce> you'd be lucky to get two megabits out of the uart i think
2014-10-19T01:04:03 < FransWillem> It's what I have available :/
2014-10-19T01:04:42 < FransWillem> STM32F4 discovery also has USB, which might be an option, but I think there'd be much more overhead involved, possibly throwing off the LED Matrix PWM loop :/
2014-10-19T01:04:58 < GargantuaSauce> quite possibly
2014-10-19T01:05:23 < [7]> FransWillem: if you do it right, the USB comms would not (noticably) affect timing
2014-10-19T01:05:38 < [7]> don't expect to get more than 8-#10mbit/s across that though
2014-10-19T01:06:37  * [7] is pondering to drive LED strips (ws2811-style) with an f030 while receiving data for them via UART or SPI
2014-10-19T01:06:58 < [7]> might get a bit tricky, but with DMA + timers it might work ;)
2014-10-19T01:07:05 < GargantuaSauce> yeah i think that is the way to do it
2014-10-19T01:07:33 < FransWillem> [7]: With the PWM performance I'm getting on the full matrix, and the fact that for single line stuff you can use SPI, have you considered using just binary LED chips, and manually PWMing them from the STM32 ?
2014-10-19T01:07:54 < FransWillem> [7]: WS2811 can only do 8-bit grayscale, and don't take into account gamma correction at all
2014-10-19T01:07:57 < [7]> the lack of RAM + uart/spi FIFOs might make it a bit tricky, I'll have to watch out with the IRQ priorities etc.
2014-10-19T01:08:35 < GargantuaSauce> well they are pretty different usecases really
2014-10-19T01:08:40 < [7]> FransWillem: I'm talking dozens to hundreds of RGB leds here
2014-10-19T01:08:41 < FransWillem> [7]: I *think* if you go those cheaper on-off SPI-based LED strips, and manually PWMed them using an STM32, you'd be able to squeeze out 9-bit or even 10-bit PWM, and do gamma correction with a lookup table too
2014-10-19T01:08:43 < GargantuaSauce> you don't use ws2811 to make a raster display
2014-10-19T01:08:45 < [7]> no way to PWM that directly
2014-10-19T01:09:17 < FransWillem> Sure about that ? I'm doing an entire display of 64x80 RGB pixels, and easily get 7-bit grayscale flicker free
2014-10-19T01:09:31 < zyp> «easily»
2014-10-19T01:09:38 < zyp> sounds to me like you've been having problems all day
2014-10-19T01:09:40 < [7]> with an f030 with 20 pins? :P
2014-10-19T01:09:44 < GargantuaSauce> we just spent a day talking about why it wasnt easy!
2014-10-19T01:09:52 < FransWillem> zyp: I'm going for 9-bit, that's what I'm having trouble with :)
2014-10-19T01:10:15 < FransWillem> zyp: The current manual loop does 8-bit with minor noticable flicker, 7-bit without it.
2014-10-19T01:10:30 < FransWillem> Wait, let me look something up :)
2014-10-19T01:11:05 < GargantuaSauce> also FransWillem you might want to consider not using straight pwm
2014-10-19T01:11:18 < GargantuaSauce> there are other ways to vary the duty cycle that won't flicker at lower update rates
2014-10-19T01:11:24 < FransWillem> I'm using the binary trick :)
2014-10-19T01:11:27 < FransWillem> Not quite sure on the name
2014-10-19T01:11:51 < GargantuaSauce> i am thinking PDM
2014-10-19T01:11:51 < FransWillem> but I display the least significant bit a one period, the next 2 periods, the next 4, etc :)
2014-10-19T01:12:44 < GargantuaSauce> i guess that is not too dissimilar
2014-10-19T01:13:09 < FransWillem> [7]: All I'm saying is take a look at LED strips based on simple on-off SPI based drivers and do the PWMing from the STM32.
2014-10-19T01:13:35 < FransWillem> I forgot which chips are available
2014-10-19T01:14:18 < FransWillem> But to be fair, I've got WS2801 strips in my room, and they're fun, but 8-bit per color isn't the same as you're used to on a computer screen
2014-10-19T01:14:57 < FransWillem> e.g. 0-50 differ hugely in brightness, and 51-255 are pretty much all too bright to discern
2014-10-19T01:15:01 < GargantuaSauce> think the target effect is "oooh pretty colours" instead of like, photorealism
2014-10-19T01:15:52 < FransWillem> Yeah, guess that's true :)
2014-10-19T01:16:11 < GargantuaSauce> also if ambient lighting is the intent, the lower refresh rate is probably not acceptable
2014-10-19T01:16:23 < GargantuaSauce> i have an led strip with a cheap chinadriver that flickers at like 200hz
2014-10-19T01:16:26 < GargantuaSauce> and it drives me nuts
2014-10-19T01:16:38 < FransWillem> But if you're going to use an STM32 anyway, which should be able to PWM at least a 100 or so, you might save some money buying the cheaper strips, and in the end have more grayscale levels to play with too
2014-10-19T01:16:51 < kakeman> are you sure you see that 200hz flicker GargantuaSauce ??
2014-10-19T01:16:58 < karlp> [7]: what part are you getting for $0.5@100 now? lpc1111?
2014-10-19T01:17:02 < GargantuaSauce> yes kakeman
2014-10-19T01:17:17 < GargantuaSauce> not staring straight at it, but when i move my eyes from one location to another
2014-10-19T01:17:23 < FransWillem> Also, [7], if you haven't bought the strips yet, take a look at the APA102 ones. They're SPI, not the single-wire-crap the WS2811/2812 have
2014-10-19T01:17:28 < GargantuaSauce> the blinking shows up as dotted lines
2014-10-19T01:17:40 < GargantuaSauce> it's like a DLP projector
2014-10-19T01:17:46 < kakeman> ye that is one way to detect flicker
2014-10-19T01:17:47 < karlp> FransWillem: why not usb for comms with the rpi?
2014-10-19T01:18:18 < FransWillem> karlp: Because the STM32 will be busy refreshing a huge LED matrix all the time, and I'm afraid the USB stuff will throw off it's timing, whereas UART and SPI can use DMA :)
2014-10-19T01:18:32 < zyp> heh
2014-10-19T01:18:45 < FransWillem> [7]: Take a look at this one, 144LEDs/meter, and simple SPI, so you can simply use DMA: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2m-DC5V-APA102-led-pixel-srip-IP33-144pcs-APA102-5050-LED-M-with-144pixels-WHITE-PCB/1906923792.html
2014-10-19T01:19:02 < FransWillem> [7]: And if you have FSMC, you could drive 16 in parallel ;)
2014-10-19T01:19:20 < GargantuaSauce> ok that is actually pretty tempting
2014-10-19T01:19:46 < FransWillem> It's only 2m per 64$ though, so rather pricey
2014-10-19T01:20:14 < zyp> FransWillem, I'm driving a WS2812B led strip with DMA
2014-10-19T01:20:20 < FransWillem> Oh, crap, I think I've sent the wrong link. I intended to find em on Ray Wu's store, I've heard good things about him :)
2014-10-19T01:20:23 < zyp> only a single one though, but still
2014-10-19T01:21:04 < FransWillem> zyp: I take it you precalculate some kind of array and use 5-bytes per bit, so 120 bytes per LED pixel?
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2014-10-19T01:21:51 < bvernoux> FransWillem: on  F4 SPI can go at up to 42MHz
2014-10-19T01:21:53 < zyp> no, I use one byte per bit, so I'm doing 25-byte DMA transfers and generate a new array in between
2014-10-19T01:22:12 < FransWillem> [7], GargantuaSauce: I can actually recommend this guys store, there's lots of APA102 goodies: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/701799/search?SearchText=apa102 (and he has WS2801, 2811 2812, etc too :) )
2014-10-19T01:22:22 < zyp> I'm using DMA to update the period of a timer in PWM mode
2014-10-19T01:22:37 < FransWillem> Oh! that trick! that one's actually pretty damned good :)
2014-10-19T01:24:19 < FransWillem> Oh well, my only beef with programmable LED strips like those are that I wish one would come out with either gamma-correction built-in, or 9-bit/10-bit per color :(
2014-10-19T01:24:26 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/Y1WP6 <- currently I'm boring and just outputting the same color 15 times over
2014-10-19T01:24:49 < FransWillem> It doesn't have to be photo realistic and pass color benchmarks or anything, but it'd be nice to be able to fade a pixel from off to on without it being all jumpy in the beginning
2014-10-19T01:25:15 < [7]> karlp: smallest f030f4p6
2014-10-19T01:26:48 < FransWillem> zyp: One thing about your code. I'm amazed by how much you've nicely abstracted in classes and the like, really makes the thing readable, but then line 13 just contrasts too much with the beauty of the rest of the code :(
2014-10-19T01:26:52 < karlp> weren't you asking for someone to give you an f0 for that price? you're already using one? (or did I miss who was asking for what)
2014-10-19T01:27:04 < FransWillem> zyp: For the love of god at least declare those bit values somewhere and give em meaningful names :(
2014-10-19T01:27:19 < [7]> FransWillem: do these APA102 things have the same problems as ws2801?
2014-10-19T01:27:22 < GargantuaSauce> better than some opaque hex number
2014-10-19T01:27:24 < GargantuaSauce> <-- guilty
2014-10-19T01:27:39 < zyp> FransWillem, because it's a waste of time
2014-10-19T01:27:40 < [7]> karlp: I was asking if anyone can beat that price ;)
2014-10-19T01:27:40 < karlp> FransWillem: we've been over this before, he at least uses the 0<<10 too, to be explicit about which bits he's setting and clearing :)
2014-10-19T01:28:04 < FransWillem> [7]: You mean the color problem I complained about? Yes, as far as I know all those 8-bit ones have that problem.
2014-10-19T01:28:18 < FransWillem> [7]: It's basically the fact that the relation between duty cycle and perceived brightness is far far from linear
2014-10-19T01:28:30 < GargantuaSauce> you're going to have the RM open when you're editing a register write anyway, so there's really not a huge difference between bit N and some random 2-3 characters describing it
2014-10-19T01:28:50 < zyp> GargantuaSauce, exactly
2014-10-19T01:29:08 < FransWillem> zyp: I don't care if you do it nicely or horribly, but at least have some consistency :p
2014-10-19T01:29:28 < zyp> it is consistent, I do all direct register accesses like that
2014-10-19T01:30:14 < bvernoux> also for info after deep check into stm32cub lib
2014-10-19T01:30:20 < bvernoux> stm32cube lib
2014-10-19T01:30:24 < bvernoux> it is not so good ;)
2014-10-19T01:30:38 < bvernoux> too much heavy layer and using timer for stuff grrr
2014-10-19T01:30:52 < bvernoux> too much defensive code ...
2014-10-19T01:30:59 < bvernoux> at the end the lib is huge for nothing :(
2014-10-19T01:32:57 < FransWillem> [7]: Just look at the graph on this page: http://ledshield.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/led-brightness-to-your-eye-gamma-correction-no/
2014-10-19T01:33:45 < FransWillem> [7]: Notice how 0-50 map to 0-40% brightness, and 51-255 to 41-100%
2014-10-19T01:34:24 < [7]> that kind of problem can be fixed in the source signal
2014-10-19T01:34:36 < GargantuaSauce> yeah the nonlinearity of the eye sucks to deal with
2014-10-19T01:34:45 < GargantuaSauce> works nicely for looking at stuff though!
2014-10-19T01:34:48 < zyp> [7], not when the output doesn't have enough resolution
2014-10-19T01:34:52 < [7]> and 1% brightness steps at the low end should be sufficient resolution for most of my use cases
2014-10-19T01:34:54 < FransWillem> [7]: What matters to me most is that the difference between 0 and 1 duty cycly is so incredibly noticably
2014-10-19T01:35:46 < FransWillem> [7]: So let's say you have a LED fading on-off-on-off continually, it'll be all fading and fading up until duty cycle 1, which is still pretty bright, and then suddenly it's off, no more fading, and then it blinks on again
2014-10-19T01:36:36 < FransWillem> Anything above duty cycle 20/255 is OK, and you can do fades that look gradual to the eye
2014-10-19T01:36:46 < FransWillem> but there's no gradual fades in the 0-20/255 range :/
2014-10-19T01:37:05 < FransWillem> The difference between off and lowest brightness is just really really noticable
2014-10-19T01:37:18 < Thorn> when I played with cree leds, duty cycle of 1/255 was barely noticeable
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2014-10-19T01:39:01 < [7]> 1 isn't bright at all for these applications
2014-10-19T01:39:16 < [7]> and if I need to, I can fix that by dithering alternating pixels
2014-10-19T01:39:30 < GargantuaSauce> you can dither in the time domain also
2014-10-19T01:40:01 < [7]> yes, I mean making the dithering move along the strip with frames to equalize it even better
2014-10-19T01:40:25 < [7]> i.e. let adjacent LEDs have different dithering phase
2014-10-19T01:40:26 < FransWillem> Look, I'm not saying these LEDs aren't cool, or that you shouldn't buy them (because you should!), but I just wanted to warn you about 24-bit colors aren't 24-bit colors like your computer monitor :)
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2014-10-19T01:40:39 < GargantuaSauce> yeah of course not
2014-10-19T01:40:45 < [7]> yeah I'm used to working with those LEDs
2014-10-19T01:40:53 < GargantuaSauce> cause there's like 5 layers of abstraction there, each with its own colour correction
2014-10-19T01:40:56 < FransWillem> And to be honest, there are no reasonable >8-bit/color ones available anywhere :/
2014-10-19T01:41:30 < [7]> I think I saw some 12 bit SPI controller somewhere
2014-10-19T01:41:38 < [7]> but nobody seems to integrate those into SMD LEDs
2014-10-19T01:42:03 < FransWillem> Oh, one last bit of advice, look into which you want to buy. The WS2812 ones are cheap, but take more work to drive, and there's no way to drive them faster. SPI based ones like the WS2801 or the APA102 might be more expensive, but they're much easier to drive, and you get to decide what speed to clock your SPI bus at :)
2014-10-19T01:42:36 < [7]> FransWillem: the ws2801 datasheet looks like a long chain of those might be much more troublesome to handle than ws2811
2014-10-19T01:43:00 < [7]> because of different propagation delays for low-to-high and high-to-low signal edges
2014-10-19T01:43:12 < [7]> the datasheet isn't very verbose about that though
2014-10-19T01:43:41 < FransWillem> In my opinion the datasheets for these things are horrible, and I'm afraid there's a high chance the WS2811 will also degrade the signal along the way
2014-10-19T01:44:14 < [7]> well I know that the 2811 works with hundreds of LEDs in a row
2014-10-19T01:44:30 < [7]> for the 2801 it could be troublesome with as little as 30-50 leds according to the datasheet
2014-10-19T01:44:54 < FransWillem> [7]: There are actually LED strips with the TLS3001 chip (but it's not integrated), but the protocol looks like hell :/
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2014-10-19T01:45:46 < FransWillem> [7]: I'm driving 3 strips of 160 LEDs each, from an ATTiny2313 clocked at 16mhz at it's absolute fastest SPI speed, without any problems.
2014-10-19T01:46:09 < FransWillem> I do realize, however, that the maximum SPI speed of the attiny2313 is probably nowhere near an STM32 :p
2014-10-19T01:46:22 < Thorn> https://www.edx.org/course/mitx/mitx-6-341x-discrete-time-signal-4396 <-- by Oppenheim himself
2014-10-19T01:46:40 < FransWillem> Oh, one thing to keep in mind on the WS2801s is that they have a pre-set blanking time. e.g. it'll clock in the data after a pre-set amount of the clock being low, so that will limit your datarate\
2014-10-19T01:46:56 < FransWillem> I believe the APA102 fixes that by clocking in a special value to latch
2014-10-19T01:48:39 < FransWillem> Then again, the WS2812B strips are half the price of the APA102 strips
2014-10-19T01:49:47 < FransWillem> I think I have another WS2801 strip somewhere, if you want I could check at which SPI speed they spazz out
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2014-10-19T03:16:29 < englishman> dongs
2014-10-19T03:16:30 < englishman>  hardware
2014-10-19T03:16:30 < englishman> <dongs> there's a bunch of people who think its needed (i'm not one of them)
2014-10-19T03:16:33 < englishman> hm
2014-10-19T03:16:41 < englishman> wrong copypaste
2014-10-19T03:16:41 < englishman> http://hackaday.com/2014/10/17/anonabox-how-to-fail-horribly-at-kickstarter/
2014-10-19T03:16:48 < englishman> pretty scammy stuff
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2014-10-19T04:37:38 < dongs> sup innovators
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2014-10-19T04:49:52 < PeterM> nm, looking for a 4 switch sync buck-boost that operates ovr 10-30v @ 5a~
2014-10-19T04:55:22 < dongs> 4 switch as in 4 output?
2014-10-19T04:56:06 < gxti> or multiphase
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2014-10-19T04:56:34 < PeterM> no as in a full bridge for seamless switching between buck and boost, both with sync rectification
2014-10-19T04:57:13 < PeterM> like the ltc3780 but wihtut the bajillion dollars a chip pricetag
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2014-10-19T04:59:36 < PeterM> the only chips ive found that do what i wantare from lt and cost a fuckload - ltc3780, ltc3791 and lt8705
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2014-10-19T05:08:39 < qyx_> they look super-pro
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2014-10-19T06:05:02 < yan_> has anyone gotten STMCubeMX to generate a workable project?
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2014-10-19T06:09:44 < dongs> no
2014-10-19T06:10:06 < englishman> Sure, its 1 button
2014-10-19T06:10:37 < yan_> not letting me configure a project, not treating i2c pins as the correct gpio af pins, being totally useless
2014-10-19T06:11:50 < englishman> If you want alternates u gotta select at the pin iirc
2014-10-19T06:19:23 < yan_> englishman: yea, that's what i'm doing but i assumed it'd select the correct AF for the peripheral i'm using
2014-10-19T06:20:45 < englishman> Heh, that's great.
2014-10-19T06:20:56 < englishman> Only used it on f3, once
2014-10-19T06:22:08 < karlp> yan_: still not getting i2c on the l1 working?
2014-10-19T06:23:54 < yan_> karlp: nope. going to try on the stm32l053 now since it looks to be more supported with stm tools and then backport if it works out
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2014-10-19T06:27:39 < karlp> are you stillusing the same peripheral?
2014-10-19T06:27:46 < karlp> you ever get a chance to try something else?
2014-10-19T06:28:11 < yan_> karlp: i tried switching to i2c2. i am suspecting i'm missing something fundamental so i am trying to use STM's code generators and go back fro mthere
2014-10-19T06:28:39 < karlp> did you see my last changes? with the i2c_sendn()? that ws after some help here, making it more consistent and simpler
2014-10-19T06:28:56 < yan_> karlp: url?
2014-10-19T06:28:57 < karlp> it was working on two different i2c periphs on the l1
2014-10-19T06:29:22 < dongs> innovation on every corner
2014-10-19T06:29:42 < karlp> same repo as before, https://github.com/karlp/libopencm3-examples/tree/rough-i2c-f4l1/examples/stm32/l1/stm32l-discovery/i2c-sht21
2014-10-19T06:30:10 < karlp> bed time for me though I'm afraid
2014-10-19T06:30:24 < dongs> > it looks to be more supported with stm tools and then backport
2014-10-19T06:30:28 < dongs> what is better supported?
2014-10-19T06:30:48 < yan_> dongs: stm32l0 series has better support in stmcubemx than the stm32l1 series
2014-10-19T06:30:57 < dongs> i'd consider that a bad thing
2014-10-19T06:31:04 < dongs> they didnt e ven release stdperiphlib for l0
2014-10-19T06:31:05 < dongs> fucking cunts
2014-10-19T06:31:16 < dongs> i've got a board with l0 on it i dont wanna assemble cuz there's no usable library
2014-10-19T06:31:17 < yan_> dongs: yeah this has been pretty frustrating
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2014-10-19T06:36:19 < yan_> ugh also they renamed all the freertos functions when generating code for god knows what reason
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2014-10-19T06:50:38 < upgrdman> lolwut   http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c65_1291178670
2014-10-19T06:51:20 < upgrdman> obv fake, but still.
2014-10-19T06:52:54 < madist> anybody who puts his hand on my dick should be prepared to get ejaculated upon. that's just basic courtesy.
2014-10-19T06:53:13 < upgrdman> >_>
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2014-10-19T10:28:11 < madist> beaky has his own band! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEBFH9R3cg4
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2014-10-19T11:39:44 < dongs> i wonder if there are any dildos on the market with induction charging
2014-10-19T11:40:05 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/The-female-sex-toy-clitoral-stimulation-wireless-inductive-charging-control-variable-frequency-jump-egg-adult-sex/1253811616.html
2014-10-19T11:40:09 < dongs> god damn fuck you china
2014-10-19T11:40:12 < dongs> my dreams ruined
2014-10-19T11:40:16 < dongs> its ok ill make one anyway
2014-10-19T11:40:19 < dongs> that one doesnt have bluetooth
2014-10-19T11:41:48 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Promotion-wild-3-14-16cm-silicone-thorn-glove-breast-body-stimulator-massager-Sex-Toys-adult-toy/786653108.html
2014-10-19T11:41:55 < dongs> loo
2014-10-19T11:42:13 < dongs> what is that even
2014-10-19T11:42:19 < ReadError> i have no idea
2014-10-19T11:43:04 < dongs> the box says next generation masturbation goods
2014-10-19T11:43:12 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/tvfSPjN.png
2014-10-19T11:43:14 < ReadError> better yet
2014-10-19T11:43:18 < ReadError> wtf does that even mean
2014-10-19T11:43:27 < ReadError> twitch ?
2014-10-19T11:43:34 < ReadError> is that some jpop bitch
2014-10-19T11:44:43 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/The-world-s-first-intelligent-Mini-vibration-rod-mobile-phone-control-Mini-Massager-Fun-Tiaodan-Red/2054528243.html?s=p fuck, they even have bluetooth ones too
2014-10-19T11:44:48 < dongs> BUT NOT BOTH bt + wireless charging
2014-10-19T11:44:51 < dongs> this is where i'll be winning
2014-10-19T11:45:39 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/3MvGJ08.png
2014-10-19T11:45:42 < ReadError> strong power !
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2014-10-19T12:12:56 < madist> another sex toy: http://gtms04.alicdn.com/tps/i4/TB1OvfcGpXXXXbBXFXXqVMCNVXX-400-400.jpg
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2014-10-19T13:22:51 < gnomad> how long before we see an esp8266 in a sex toy?
2014-10-19T13:23:59 < PeterM> about as long as until we see a esp8266 in a person
2014-10-19T13:26:26 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29678989
2014-10-19T13:26:28 < Laurenceb_> lolld
2014-10-19T13:26:41 < Laurenceb_> "It should be seen as online terrorism and it should be illegal."
2014-10-19T13:27:59 < PeterM> ^^ dumbest shit ever
2014-10-19T13:28:34 < PeterM> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/131/714/7proxies.PNG
2014-10-19T13:28:56 < Laurenceb_>  *George Bush* "I am declaring a war on trolling"
2014-10-19T13:30:18 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc
2014-10-19T13:30:57 < dongs> < Laurenceb_> "It should be seen as online terrorism and it should be illegal."
2014-10-19T13:31:02 < dongs> using lunix + tor? agreed
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2014-10-19T14:45:20 < kakeman> after first debuging session j-link doesn't find target anymore
2014-10-19T14:47:31 < kakeman> everything worked fine
2014-10-19T14:48:20 < kakeman> chip still flashes with isp
2014-10-19T14:49:04 < kakeman> does debugger flash chip for every time program is built?
2014-10-19T14:49:17 < kakeman> or does it flash at all
2014-10-19T14:49:50 < kakeman> let's say in coide
2014-10-19T14:50:07 < kakeman> (coocox)
2014-10-19T14:51:22 < kakeman> can flashed binary some way affect debugging else than disable it or enable it
2014-10-19T14:51:23 < kakeman> ?
2014-10-19T14:52:49 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRkl4eFE1R2gtQlU/view?usp=sharing
2014-10-19T15:07:06 < kakeman> could it explain that my code is toggling swdio pin
2014-10-19T15:08:09 < kakeman> oh it wasn't that
2014-10-19T15:10:56 < kakeman> it toggles wakeup pin but it shouldn't matter I guess
2014-10-19T15:20:17 < kakeman> maybe changes I did with clocks?
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2014-10-19T15:22:12 < kakeman> I think that has something to do with it
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2014-10-19T15:27:55 < kakeman> it stoped working after I altered clock settings
2014-10-19T15:30:54 < kakeman> sorry guys!
2014-10-19T15:31:04 < kakeman> I panic
2014-10-19T15:31:27 < kakeman> so I set clock settings back
2014-10-19T15:31:40 < kakeman> and everything works
2014-10-19T15:31:44 < kakeman> but blinkin led
2014-10-19T15:31:49 < kakeman> not yet
2014-10-19T15:33:38 < kakeman> does swd need PLL ?
2014-10-19T15:35:01 < zyp> wat
2014-10-19T15:35:06 < Fleck> ;p
2014-10-19T15:36:17 < bvernoux> kakeman: embedded stuff are challenging even to debug with JTAG/SWD ;)
2014-10-19T15:36:41 < bvernoux> kakeman: especially when PLL or HW stuff are badly configured you cannot debug them as that crash JTAG/SWD sometimes ;)
2014-10-19T15:37:16 < bvernoux> a hint is to add a big delay at startup to have time to take hand with debugger ;)
2014-10-19T15:41:44 < kakeman> I thought that swd was independent
2014-10-19T15:42:23 < kakeman> wow
2014-10-19T15:42:36 < zyp> the debugger interface is a part of the cpu and thus runs from the cpu clock
2014-10-19T15:42:37 < kakeman> I have my program at first line of main
2014-10-19T15:43:01 < kakeman> ISP seems to work no matter what
2014-10-19T15:43:09 < kakeman> good thing
2014-10-19T15:43:22 < zyp> what do you mean by «ISP»?
2014-10-19T15:43:38 < zyp> as in AVR programming?
2014-10-19T15:43:52 < kakeman> uart
2014-10-19T15:43:57 < bvernoux> ISP is a fake mode ;)à
2014-10-19T15:44:05 < kakeman> ye
2014-10-19T15:44:18 < zyp> well
2014-10-19T15:44:20 < bvernoux> boot from UART using rom code in LPC
2014-10-19T15:44:21 < kakeman> but it works when you mess your chip
2014-10-19T15:44:36 < bvernoux> yes also boot USB work fine to recover with DFU
2014-10-19T15:44:37 < kakeman> my leds are blinking
2014-10-19T15:44:39 < zyp> when you run the built in bootloader, it takes care of configuring the chip correctly
2014-10-19T15:44:41 < kakeman> !!
2014-10-19T15:44:47 < bvernoux> on LPC there is even a mode with USB MassStorage
2014-10-19T15:44:53 < bvernoux> you just drag & drop new firmware ;)
2014-10-19T15:44:55 < kakeman> wat?
2014-10-19T15:45:06 < kakeman> :o
2014-10-19T15:45:12 < kakeman> that's crazy
2014-10-19T15:45:15 < bvernoux> only on some LPC with USB
2014-10-19T15:45:34 < bvernoux> else it is USB DFU ...
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2014-10-19T16:17:39 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKazJpVVdXMGh3Ymc/view?usp=sharing why phone doesn't use focus lens with video
2014-10-19T16:17:46 < kakeman> sucks
2014-10-19T16:24:04 < dongs> you should get iphoen 6
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2014-10-19T18:03:18 < Thorn> why so many inductors on that board
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2014-10-19T18:14:52 < dongs> isnt that beaky
2014-10-19T18:15:03 < dongs> realizing his dream of making stm32 smps
2014-10-19T18:15:29 < Thorn> it's lpc1313 iirc
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2014-10-19T18:25:02 < zyp> dongs, not enough fire and smoke
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2014-10-19T22:19:34 < kakeman> what is pointer size in cortex-m3 ?
2014-10-19T22:20:12 < Thorn> 32 bits
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2014-10-19T22:26:28 < kakeman> debuger is like... developing heaven
2014-10-19T22:26:55 < kakeman> I used to blink leds and bitbang messages out of 8bit micros
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2014-10-19T22:27:29 < kakeman> lame
2014-10-19T22:31:59 < Steffanx> bitbang? what was wrong with printf to uart kakeman? :D
2014-10-19T22:32:35 < zyp> lack of a spare uart
2014-10-19T22:41:45 < scummos> is it correct that the USB ISP on an LPC43xx only works with a 12 MHz crystal? I have a 4 MHz and it does very weird things on the bus
2014-10-19T22:42:34 < qyx_> *lack of the only one uart
2014-10-19T22:43:02 < qyx_> hm, whats the relation between avago and agilent?
2014-10-19T22:43:41 < qyx_> i can see some MMIC amplifiers under "avago technologies" which have agilent in their datasheets instead
2014-10-19T22:44:10 < bvernoux> scummos: yes only 12MHz crystal
2014-10-19T22:44:38 < scummos> bvernoux: ok, that explains why it doesn't work then. out of interest what would you expect to see on the bus with a scope if you have the wrong frequency crystal?
2014-10-19T22:44:49 < zyp> qyx_, it's a spinoff
2014-10-19T22:45:26 < bvernoux> scummos: just check XTAL OUT you shall have 12MHz else USB DFU will never work
2014-10-19T22:45:35 < scummos> ok
2014-10-19T22:45:43 < bvernoux> scummos: as it is hard coded in ROM for USB DFU
2014-10-19T22:45:46 < scummos> no, it's 4 MHz, I have a 4 MHz crystal
2014-10-19T22:45:47 < scummos> ok
2014-10-19T22:45:48 < zyp> qyx_, avago was also originally a part of HP
2014-10-19T22:45:51 < scummos> thanks bvernoux
2014-10-19T22:45:58 < bvernoux> scummos: 4MHZ will never work in that case
2014-10-19T22:46:25 < scummos> ok, so no USB boot for me :-)
2014-10-19T22:46:59 < bvernoux> scummos: change it by 7V-12.000MAAE-T => 12MHz 30ppm
2014-10-19T22:47:40 < scummos> bvernoux: I think I'll delay that to revision 2 of my board, and use a temperature-compensated crystal oscillator -- the 30ppm sucks anyways
2014-10-19T22:47:48 < scummos> (I need good frequency accuracy in principle)
2014-10-19T22:47:54 < bvernoux> the 30ppm is nice and work fine
2014-10-19T22:48:09 < bvernoux> TCXO for USB is not required
2014-10-19T22:48:13 < scummos> for USB probably yes, but I need frequency accuracy for different purposes
2014-10-19T22:48:23 < bvernoux> ha ok so use ext clock in that case
2014-10-19T22:48:30 < scummos> it needs to generate a sampling clock for an ADC, and that should be more accurate than 30 ppm
2014-10-19T22:48:34 < scummos> yep, will do :)
2014-10-19T22:48:52 < bvernoux> anyway you will need the XTAL for USB DFU boot
2014-10-19T22:49:12 < bvernoux> it is just an advice else you will have lot of problem ;)
2014-10-19T22:49:14 < scummos> oh, so I can't do that with an ext clock?
2014-10-19T22:49:19 < scummos> okay
2014-10-19T22:49:20 < bvernoux> xtal + ext clock
2014-10-19T22:49:22 < zyp> just don't use the built-in bootloader
2014-10-19T22:49:24 < scummos> then I should probably have both
2014-10-19T22:49:29 < bvernoux> at startup you switch to ext clock
2014-10-19T22:49:34 < zyp> just roll your own if you want DFU
2014-10-19T22:49:39 < scummos> ok
2014-10-19T22:49:42 < bvernoux> zyp: pff and if you kill it ;)
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2014-10-19T22:49:52 < bvernoux> NEVER rely on flash fw
2014-10-19T22:49:52 < zyp> bvernoux, kill what?
2014-10-19T22:49:54 < scummos> heh, well, I don't really need DFU, I just figured it would be a nice way to test if USB works
2014-10-19T22:50:03 < bvernoux> USB DFU is in ROM you can ALWAYS recover stuff with it
2014-10-19T22:50:17 < bvernoux> dn't do like in arduino ;)
2014-10-19T22:50:18  * scummos will just go back to programming over serial
2014-10-19T22:50:23 < bvernoux> rely on a bootloader flashed ;)
2014-10-19T22:50:27 < bvernoux> and corrupted later ...
2014-10-19T22:50:30 < scummos> hehe
2014-10-19T22:50:35 < bvernoux> it is a MAJOR mistake ;)
2014-10-19T22:50:52 < zyp> bvernoux, why?
2014-10-19T22:51:16 < bvernoux> zyp: because it is not a serious design have you seen the problem on arduino monbth ago ;)
2014-10-19T22:51:22 < bvernoux> where the bootloader was corrupted ;)
2014-10-19T22:51:33 < bvernoux> and user was required to flash it with JTAG ...
2014-10-19T22:51:52 < qyx_> what
2014-10-19T22:51:57 < bvernoux> Sparkfun have finally send back 2Kunits boards for for free ...
2014-10-19T22:52:14 < bvernoux> thanks to bad arduino to do not have an USB DFU or similar in ROM ...
2014-10-19T22:52:14 < qyx_> how could a bootloader corrupt itself?
2014-10-19T22:52:18 < zyp> bvernoux, the boards I sell have a custom bootloader located in the flash, please let me know what is wrong with that
2014-10-19T22:52:31 < bvernoux> zyp: it is a failure by design ;)
2014-10-19T22:52:36 < zyp> bvernoux, how?
2014-10-19T22:52:48 < bvernoux> zyp: if by mistake it is corrupted nothing boot anymore and you need to use a JTAG/SWD probe ...
2014-10-19T22:52:59 < zyp> how can it be corrupted?
2014-10-19T22:52:59 < bvernoux> an example ?
2014-10-19T22:53:02 < qyx_> wtf "corripted"?
2014-10-19T22:53:06 < qyx_> how can it be corrupted?
2014-10-19T22:53:08 < bvernoux> just flash the boot and have a power down haha
2014-10-19T22:53:16 < zyp> it's never written after the board is sold
2014-10-19T22:53:18 < bvernoux> during an update ;)
2014-10-19T22:53:21 < zyp> just like the rom bootloader
2014-10-19T22:53:36 < bvernoux> it could be corrupted by a mistake
2014-10-19T22:53:42 < bvernoux> anyway it is not safe
2014-10-19T22:53:43 < zyp> what kind of mistake?
2014-10-19T22:53:43 < qyx_> define that mistake
2014-10-19T22:53:53 < bvernoux> flashing  bad firmware which erase all
2014-10-19T22:54:12 < zyp> the firmware doesn't have any flash writing code at all
2014-10-19T22:54:20 < bvernoux> or just have Flash error with time ...
2014-10-19T22:54:25 < bvernoux> that can happens too
2014-10-19T22:54:28 < zyp> the firmware always runs with the flash locked and doesn't have the unlock keys
2014-10-19T22:54:32 < zyp> uh, well
2014-10-19T22:54:44 < bvernoux> I have seen that in real life
2014-10-19T22:54:45 < zyp> you know the rom bootloader lives in a locked part of the same flash, right?
2014-10-19T22:55:02 < bvernoux> if rom is dead it is an other purpose ;)
2014-10-19T22:55:07 < bvernoux> MCU is dead
2014-10-19T22:55:58 < zyp> same thing
2014-10-19T22:56:03 < bvernoux> ROM is more protected too
2014-10-19T22:56:10 < zyp> against what?
2014-10-19T22:56:17 < bvernoux> against SEU/MBU ;)
2014-10-19T22:56:34 < zyp> this is documented where?
2014-10-19T22:56:42 < bvernoux> you should check how it is done in HW
2014-10-19T22:56:50 < bvernoux> it is not an OTP ROM
2014-10-19T22:57:00 < bvernoux> it is done in the mask
2014-10-19T22:57:11 < bvernoux> at least on LPC43xx
2014-10-19T22:57:21 < bvernoux> which by default have no internal flash too ;)
2014-10-19T22:58:01 < bvernoux> I imagine on STM32 it is the same the ROM is a mask
2014-10-19T22:58:25 < zyp> no, I'm pretty sure the documentation even states that it's part of the main flash
2014-10-19T22:58:36 < zyp> let me dig up a reference on that
2014-10-19T22:58:37 < bvernoux> if it will be OTP yes
2014-10-19T22:58:41 < bvernoux> but IIRC it is not OTP
2014-10-19T22:58:47 < bvernoux> so pure ROM
2014-10-19T22:58:56 < bvernoux> the only part flashed is the serial number
2014-10-19T22:59:01 < bvernoux> check where it is ;)
2014-10-19T22:59:16 < bvernoux> at end ...
2014-10-19T22:59:33 < bvernoux> so yes serial number is in an OTP part with other stuff not documented
2014-10-19T22:59:41 < bvernoux> but it is an other area
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2014-10-19T23:01:07 < Steffanx>  
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2014-10-20T01:48:27 < kakeman> was there something about stdio.h and printf and stuff with cortex to consider?
2014-10-20T01:49:15 < zyp> that's a very generic question
2014-10-20T01:49:27 < zyp> what are you even expecting as an answer?
2014-10-20T01:49:29 < qyx_> 20kB of space
2014-10-20T01:49:36 < kakeman> was there some altered version of stdio
2014-10-20T01:49:48 < zyp> yes
2014-10-20T01:50:02 < zyp> there's a newlib-nano
2014-10-20T01:50:06 < zyp> read the GAE readme
2014-10-20T01:50:18 < kakeman> because I think I heard that using stdio as is causes some gigantic binary
2014-10-20T01:50:28 < zyp> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186123405/readme.txt
2014-10-20T02:06:23 < kakeman> Enable LTO? What is LTO?
2014-10-20T02:07:05 < kakeman> Link time optimization
2014-10-20T02:08:50 < kakeman> does debug in ram mean that binary is not flashed at all?
2014-10-20T02:13:54 < kakeman> if I want to do semihosting
2014-10-20T02:14:50 < kakeman> should I select "Use nano C Library" or "Semihosting"
2014-10-20T02:18:12 < kakeman> let's see what wroks
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2014-10-20T02:18:15 < kakeman> works
2014-10-20T02:19:37 < GargantuaSauce> and if you think c's stdio is bad, look at iostream
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2014-10-20T02:25:59 < kakeman>        [cc] c:/program files (x86)/gnu tools arm embedded/4.8 2014q2/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.8.4/../../../../arm-none-eabi/bin/ld.exe: unrecognized option '--specs=rdimon.specs'
2014-10-20T02:26:50 < kakeman> oh it's for compiler
2014-10-20T02:27:08 < qyx_> och when i see those spaces...
2014-10-20T02:27:42 < qyx_> how can you name a directory like "gnu tools arm embedded"?
2014-10-20T02:28:32 < kakeman> I didn't
2014-10-20T02:29:02 < kakeman> It's windows so it can have spaces
2014-10-20T02:29:17 < kakeman> always using installed defaults
2014-10-20T02:29:22 < kakeman> installer
2014-10-20T02:31:11 < kakeman> program stops to printf
2014-10-20T02:33:09 < qyx_> did you select semihosting?
2014-10-20T02:33:16 < kakeman> yes
2014-10-20T02:33:34 < qyx_> so you need semihosting enabled in your debugger
2014-10-20T02:33:50 < qyx_> then your printf will go to debugger
2014-10-20T02:34:27 < kakeman> it is enabled
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2014-10-20T02:35:05 < kakeman> earlyer there was J-Link semihosting something in semihosting window
2014-10-20T02:35:17 < kakeman> *earlier
2014-10-20T02:35:41 < kakeman> now it can't show variables eather
2014-10-20T02:36:09 < kakeman> <optimized out>
2014-10-20T02:36:14 < kakeman> maybe it's lto
2014-10-20T02:36:52 < kakeman> yes it was
2014-10-20T02:37:00 < kakeman> LTO
2014-10-20T02:37:38 < kakeman> program doesn't stop at printf anymore
2014-10-20T02:37:55 < madist> embedded spaces works ?
2014-10-20T02:38:08 < madist> each path item is quoted ?
2014-10-20T02:38:54 < madist> this is very interesting. Makefiles don't break
2014-10-20T02:38:55 < madist> ?
2014-10-20T02:39:59 < kakeman> I don't understand wat you say
2014-10-20T02:40:14 < kakeman> :)
2014-10-20T02:40:38 < zyp> why are people still using tools that can't cope with spaces in file paths?
2014-10-20T02:40:44 < madist> if there is a space in a path, you'd have to quote it to keep it from being interpreted as 2 paths ?
2014-10-20T02:41:44 < madist> e.g. on your ld.exe command line
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2014-10-20T02:42:09 < zyp> madist, why would you have any paths there anyway?
2014-10-20T02:42:28 < madist> i don't know... library paths ? libraries ?
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2014-10-20T02:43:06 < zyp> you're not supposed to add library paths from the compiler explicitly, the compiler will do it by itself
2014-10-20T02:43:33 < madist> that's if you've already gone and put it in LD_LIBRARY_PATH
2014-10-20T02:43:42 < madist> (or whatever its called these days)
2014-10-20T02:43:44 < zyp> no
2014-10-20T02:43:58 < qyx_> thats unrelated
2014-10-20T02:44:04 < zyp> I'm referring to multilib
2014-10-20T02:44:09 < qyx_> your build env should be completely location agnostic
2014-10-20T02:44:26 < zyp> multilib does a better job of finding the right lib directory than you do
2014-10-20T02:44:39 < madist> what is multilib ?
2014-10-20T02:44:45 < qyx_> there we go
2014-10-20T02:44:58 < zyp> it's gcc's mechanism to find the appropriate libs for your platform
2014-10-20T02:45:11 < zyp> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186123405/readme.txt <- I suggest you also read this
2014-10-20T02:46:18 < qyx_> a bit offtopic, haven't you used epson's tcxo?
2014-10-20T02:46:36 < zyp> who is «you»?
2014-10-20T02:46:46 < qyx_> anyone
2014-10-20T02:47:16 < madist> epson txcos are pricy
2014-10-20T02:47:27 < madist> that's about the extent of my knowledge on the subject
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2014-10-20T02:48:05 < qyx_> it costs 1.83e in singles
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2014-10-20T02:59:35 < kakeman> is there way to keep certain variables visible all time in variable window
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2014-10-20T03:00:41 < kakeman> it seems that compiler optimizes them out
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2014-10-20T03:00:54 < kakeman> something like that
2014-10-20T03:07:16 < kakeman> oh i remember
2014-10-20T03:07:21 < kakeman> volatile
2014-10-20T03:07:26 < kakeman> les try
2014-10-20T03:09:06 < kakeman> yes
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2014-10-20T03:15:28 < kakeman> coide likes to crash
2014-10-20T03:17:19 < dongs> sup innovators
2014-10-20T03:24:35 < kakeman> much innovation
2014-10-20T03:24:41 < dongs> shut up beaky
2014-10-20T03:24:44 < dongs> how is your smps
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2014-10-20T03:26:24 < kakeman> mine?
2014-10-20T03:26:56 < zyp> dongs, apparently we just invented spaces in filenames
2014-10-20T03:27:37 < dongs> lunix fails with them?
2014-10-20T03:27:41  * madist throws a mug of water on zyp 
2014-10-20T03:27:58 < dongs> i know a large number of opensores stuff fails with spaces in filenames
2014-10-20T03:27:58 < qyx_> no, just my eyes hurt
2014-10-20T03:28:25 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-20T03:28:32 < zyp> came to think of it
2014-10-20T03:28:48 < zyp> I've actually come across a bunch of closedsource shit that fails with spaces
2014-10-20T03:28:56 < zyp> various toolchains and shit
2014-10-20T03:29:01 < dongs> "toolchains"
2014-10-20T03:29:12 < dongs> lets not talk about closed sores gcc derivatives
2014-10-20T03:29:15 < zyp> like fpga toolchains
2014-10-20T03:29:25 < dongs> yeah, no surprise there
2014-10-20T03:29:29 < dongs> those were coded in 1986
2014-10-20T03:29:30 < qyx_> theres still much stuff which won't work if not placed in c:\SUPERTOOL\tool.exe
2014-10-20T03:29:31 < dongs> befor spaces in filenames
2014-10-20T03:29:35 < dongs> yes
2014-10-20T03:30:52 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKY0hLZ2VOemxTeFU/view?usp=sharing got semihosting working.. it needed some components from repo
2014-10-20T03:31:10 < dongs> your ADC is stoned
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2014-10-20T03:32:01 < qyx_> volatile unsigned long int
2014-10-20T03:32:03 < qyx_> pff
2014-10-20T03:32:10 < kakeman> sorry
2014-10-20T03:32:24 < kakeman> uint32_t is wat i usually do
2014-10-20T03:32:53 < kakeman> just figuring out variable visibility or something..
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2014-10-20T03:34:06 < qyx_> at least this tcxo has footprint compatible to normal xtal
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2014-10-20T03:39:42 < kakeman> if I use uintmax_t does it come out as 32bit unsigned integer?
2014-10-20T03:39:50 < dongs> how so? dont they have vcc and gnd and enable
2014-10-20T03:40:07 < dongs> or is it crystal, not oscillator
2014-10-20T03:43:56 < kakeman> size of those square xtals with 4pins?
2014-10-20T03:43:59 < madist> temperature compensated crystal ?
2014-10-20T03:44:14 < qyx_> dongs: tcxo has NC on pin normally going to XOUT
2014-10-20T03:44:25 < qyx_> and XTAL has NC on pin which TCXO uses as VCC
2014-10-20T03:44:36 < kakeman> perfect
2014-10-20T03:45:18 < kakeman> gnd?
2014-10-20T03:45:26 < qyx_> gnd is common to both
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2014-10-20T03:45:38 < kakeman> ena?
2014-10-20T03:45:49 < qyx_> no enable here
2014-10-20T03:45:55 < kakeman> ye
2014-10-20T03:47:46 < kakeman> what part number it has?
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2014-10-20T03:49:23 < qyx_> XG004211....
2014-10-20T03:49:30 < qyx_> *X1G004211....
2014-10-20T03:52:28 < kakeman> nice compact
2014-10-20T03:54:26 < qyx_> arduining transceiver module
2014-10-20T03:56:18 < qyx_> and still not decided if i should place saw filter before lna or after, too many options
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2014-10-20T03:58:18 < upgrdman> an LNA is always a RX amp, and a PA is always a TX amp, right?
2014-10-20T03:58:42 < qyx_> usually, there is nothing that would prevent you from using LNA as PA
2014-10-20T03:59:02 < qyx_> but it is not well suited for providing any usable power output
2014-10-20T03:59:11 < upgrdman> k
2014-10-20T03:59:39 < qyx_> okay
2014-10-20T04:00:08 < qyx_> so read again what i have written
2014-10-20T04:01:50 < qyx_> and? this limits both
2014-10-20T04:02:28 < upgrdman> lna's can't handle much power in?
2014-10-20T04:03:21 < qyx_> no, and hence their output power is hardly usable given the input they can handle
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2014-10-20T04:07:48 < qyx_> R2COM: btw there are parts providing 15dB of output power at 1dB compression
2014-10-20T04:07:53 < qyx_> and still called LNA
2014-10-20T04:08:28 < upgrdman> what is compression in this context?
2014-10-20T04:09:37 < GargantuaSauce> nonlinearity
2014-10-20T04:09:43 < GargantuaSauce> clipping
2014-10-20T04:09:47 < upgrdman> ah thx
2014-10-20T04:11:17 < qyx_> i meant 15dBm.. if anyone wants to be exact
2014-10-20T04:48:50 < upgrdman> anyone know what the "12G" on this ruler means?  http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91BhTQ9Uj3L._SL1500_.jpg
2014-10-20T05:00:57 < englishman> whats the thickness of the ruler?
2014-10-20T05:01:15 < englishman> 12 gauge stainless sheet = .1046"
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2014-10-20T05:05:08 < upgrdman> 0.5mm
2014-10-20T05:05:29 < englishman> probably 12 gigabytes then
2014-10-20T05:05:34 < upgrdman> i wonder if it might just be their part number. another ruler from them has "12F" on it.
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2014-10-20T06:38:51 < dongs> sup
2014-10-20T06:38:53 < dongs> im innovating
2014-10-20T06:39:07 < dongs> tahts done already
2014-10-20T06:39:16 < dongs> pcbs wednesday or someshit
2014-10-20T06:39:18 < dongs> the next big thing
2014-10-20T06:39:29 < dongs> dickstarter? or current thign
2014-10-20T06:39:55 < dongs> englishman has bene bugging me for something for liek a year
2014-10-20T06:39:57 < dongs> so im getting it done
2014-10-20T06:40:03 < englishman> yay
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2014-10-20T06:40:13 < dongs> submitting board today
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2014-10-20T06:40:22 < dongs> its a dickstarter cockblocker
2014-10-20T06:40:25 < englishman> should i buy the panels now or wat
2014-10-20T06:40:31 < englishman> do i have to wait for the dickstarter
2014-10-20T06:40:33 < dongs> to prevent flood of proprietary $130 boards
2014-10-20T06:40:46 < dongs> englishman: better wait, people have bought panels long time ago and still sitting on them :p
2014-10-20T06:40:54 < englishman> people like you? :)
2014-10-20T06:41:01 < dongs> eys
2014-10-20T06:41:42 < englishman> have you started dongpcb service yet
2014-10-20T06:42:17 < dongs> englishman: need ruby on fales webcoder to d o websaight
2014-10-20T06:42:40 < englishman> i know a german really skilled in chickenscheme that will work for club-mate
2014-10-20T06:42:42 < dongs> cost isnt the issue, quality is
2014-10-20T06:42:49 < dongs> and my quality is amaze
2014-10-20T06:43:05 < dongs> R2COM: like???
2014-10-20T06:43:14 < englishman> they will have a green feature
2014-10-20T06:43:21 < dongs> 10mil via, 5/5 trace/space
2014-10-20T06:43:27 < dongs> silk you can actually read
2014-10-20T06:43:34 < dongs> 16 for 10mil i think
2014-10-20T06:43:51 < englishman> was it 10/16 or 10/18
2014-10-20T06:44:04 < dongs> i do 10/18 vias usually on higher density stuff
2014-10-20T06:44:12 < dongs> but i think 10/16 is doable
2014-10-20T06:44:30 < englishman> then use oshpark
2014-10-20T06:45:00 < englishman> go ahead
2014-10-20T06:45:05 < englishman> i suggest air attack
2014-10-20T06:46:15 < englishman> http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/Espressif-ESP8266-wifi-serial-rs232-ESP8089-IoT
2014-10-20T06:46:20 < englishman> more esp8266 goodness
2014-10-20T06:46:55 < englishman> its an unbonded die
2014-10-20T06:47:08 < englishman> hmh no decapped
2014-10-20T06:48:19 < englishman> which one
2014-10-20T06:48:24 < englishman> the loop with bar?
2014-10-20T06:48:27 < englishman> like ( | )
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2014-10-20T06:52:35 < dongs> dont know
2014-10-20T06:53:36 < dongs> < englishman> http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/Espressif-ESP8266-wifi-serial-rs232-ESP8089-IoT
2014-10-20T06:53:39 < dongs> oooo
2014-10-20T06:53:42 < dongs> nice
2014-10-20T06:53:53 < dongs> < R2COM> 10/18 is something what oshpark also does
2014-10-20T06:53:54 < dongs> um no
2014-10-20T06:54:01 < englishman> on 4L
2014-10-20T06:54:03 < englishman> they do
2014-10-20T06:54:05 < dongs> oshpark is 0.3mm drill and their registration sucks
2014-10-20T06:54:07 < dongs> oh ok
2014-10-20T06:54:20 < englishman> and there was an option to pay $10 extra for "better specs"
2014-10-20T06:54:24 < englishman> but its not there anymore
2014-10-20T06:54:36 < englishman> basically to send 2L to the 4L fab
2014-10-20T06:54:56 < dongs> why not just make 2L using 4L and leave 2 inside planes ground?????????????????????????????????????????????
2014-10-20T06:55:04 < dongs> (and short every via)
2014-10-20T06:55:07 < englishman> still cheaper
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2014-10-20T08:11:02 < englishman> did you tell the dude
2014-10-20T08:11:21 < englishman> what became ofit?
2014-10-20T08:11:40 < englishman> refund, replacement?
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2014-10-20T08:11:55 < englishman> just let him know
2014-10-20T08:12:11 < englishman> ok, good
2014-10-20T08:12:17 < englishman> yes
2014-10-20T08:12:20 < englishman> at least 4
2014-10-20T08:14:10 < dongs> englishman: http://i.imgur.com/GmGwcFf.png
2014-10-20T08:14:29 < englishman> dongs do you have a cat
2014-10-20T08:14:47 < dongs> R2COM: proprietary information
2014-10-20T08:14:50 < englishman> nice silk
2014-10-20T08:14:52 < dongs> I can tell you for $130
2014-10-20T08:17:18 < akaWolf> dongie, you are here!
2014-10-20T08:17:25 < dongs> barely
2014-10-20T08:21:46 < dongs> its like 2pm
2014-10-20T08:22:00 < dongs> i never work i just fuck around
2014-10-20T08:22:10 < dongs> if im up late at night its probly cuz im fapping
2014-10-20T08:22:20 < akaWolf> ))
2014-10-20T08:22:24 < englishman> i feel the same way
2014-10-20T08:22:37 < englishman> the more you get done, the more there is to get done
2014-10-20T08:23:02 < akaWolf> you are so amusive, dongie
2014-10-20T08:23:14 < dongs> i totally agree
2014-10-20T08:23:23 < englishman> as long as it productive to the paycheque
2014-10-20T08:24:13 < dongs> a lot of times it IS better to just goto sleep at 10 and wake up at 6-7 and get shit done
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2014-10-20T08:31:39 < dongs> k stencil for dickstarter pi accessory ordered
2014-10-20T08:32:22 < englishman> <#
2014-10-20T08:33:12 < dongs> btw the old dicktrace board works but assembling it is total pain in teh ass cuz i put connector on back
2014-10-20T08:33:22 < dongs> for the chromegook thing
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2014-10-20T08:34:44 < englishman> downloading The.Rise.and.Rise.of.Bitcoin.2014.WEB-DL.x264
2014-10-20T08:36:27 < dongs> my pal grabbed that for me
2014-10-20T08:36:28 < dongs> no time to watch
2014-10-20T08:36:45 < englishman> thats what multiple 10" screens are for
2014-10-20T08:37:02 < englishman> i cant listen to happyhardcore full time
2014-10-20T08:37:04 < dongs> oh fuck
2014-10-20T08:37:05 < dongs> i should try this
2014-10-20T08:37:16 < dongs> cuz now this AMD trash should support > 4 screens
2014-10-20T08:37:28 < dongs> nvidia crashed on 5th monitor connect
2014-10-20T08:40:14 < englishman> top tier gamer shit
2014-10-20T08:41:15 < englishman> max fps in dwarf fortress
2014-10-20T08:41:42 < dongs> isnt gaming basicall a waste of time
2014-10-20T08:42:00 < englishman> just like irc
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2014-10-20T09:04:05 < englishman> dongs: the film is awful stuff dont even bother
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2014-10-20T09:29:59 < englishman> dongs: there are some super lol moments, but most of it is awful
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2014-10-20T09:35:46 < dongs> im sure
2014-10-20T09:38:05 < dongs> what happened to mark karpeles buttcoin maid cafe
2014-10-20T09:38:31 < dongs> that guy is a complete tool
2014-10-20T09:38:36 < englishman> cat cafes are way more profitable and stable
2014-10-20T09:41:14 < dongs> BRAKING NEWS: MH370 May Not Be Under Water
2014-10-20T09:41:53 < emeb_mac> it's embedded in a glacier in antarctica?
2014-10-20T09:42:06 < dongs> its going to be embedded in WTC soon
2014-10-20T09:42:23 < emeb_mac> good luck with that
2014-10-20T09:42:53 < qyx_> its under water near sweden
2014-10-20T09:43:22 < emeb_mac> in Putin's secret hangar in Siberia
2014-10-20T09:43:46 < dongs> qyx_: haha
2014-10-20T09:44:48 < akaWolf> emeb_mac: Putin will find & kill you.
2014-10-20T09:45:25 < akaWolf> personally.
2014-10-20T09:45:45 < emeb_mac> akaWolf: I hope he has his shirt off when he does
2014-10-20T09:45:48 < emeb_mac> that would rule
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2014-10-20T09:46:48 < madist> MH370 never existed. the radar records were faked.
2014-10-20T09:47:04 < madist> the "passengers" were all CIA employees.
2014-10-20T09:47:15 < emeb_mac> robots
2014-10-20T09:47:39 < akaWolf> emeb_mac: http://pics.turist.rbc.ru/turist_pics/uniora/65/1187856374_0965.430x656.jpg
2014-10-20T09:48:15 < emeb_mac> scaring the fish
2014-10-20T09:50:21 < madist> what really happened to MH370: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I16_8l0yS-g#t=30
2014-10-20T09:50:41 < akaWolf> emeb_mac: http://img.simpalsmedia.com/point.md/news/900x900/19B65117-6620-7261-5353-7CFAEA4278AE.jpg
2014-10-20T09:51:11 < emeb_mac> eek!
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2014-10-20T10:03:44 < baird> The guy in the first photo could still beat the shit out of Tony Abbott.
2014-10-20T10:19:27 < dongs> who
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2014-10-20T11:01:46 < baird> http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/10/20/025204
2014-10-20T11:04:47 < PeterM> nice.
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2014-10-20T11:39:12 < dongs> Laurenceb_: < baird> http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/10/20/025204
2014-10-20T11:39:16 < dongs> (retweet)
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2014-10-20T11:47:05 < Thorn> dongs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5wjxQjVzIk
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2014-10-20T12:14:44 < varesa> btw dongs, on my chinese ipad display I notice that one half is brighter than the other. Is is propably because of shitty chinese display or maybe some tolerances in your boards backlight driver, because if I recall correctly it had two channels?
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2014-10-20T12:21:09 < jadew> http://mashable.com/2014/10/06/lab-grown-penis/
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2014-10-20T12:22:43 < jadew> btw, that brain related article was nice
2014-10-20T12:22:52 < jadew> I wonder if it can be used to cure stupidty
2014-10-20T12:24:09 < jadew> and if it could, I wonder how many people would take it and admit publicly
2014-10-20T12:24:16 < jadew> "I'm treating myself for stupid"
2014-10-20T12:24:29 < Laurenceb_> lol trollfood
2014-10-20T12:24:36 < Laurenceb_> actually..
2014-10-20T12:24:42 < Laurenceb_> i wonder if they are edible
2014-10-20T12:24:48 < Laurenceb_> penis burger
2014-10-20T12:25:22 < jadew> it's probably why they invented this technology, the guy in the picture is japanese
2014-10-20T12:25:26 < jadew> we all know they eat crazy stuff
2014-10-20T12:26:02 < jadew> do you want eyebrow on your penis sandwitch?
2014-10-20T12:26:16 < Posterdati> hi
2014-10-20T12:26:35 < jadew> hi
2014-10-20T12:26:49 < Posterdati> is it suffice to use SWDIO and SWDCLK to debug a cortex m0 and to flash it?
2014-10-20T12:27:13 < emeryth> yeah
2014-10-20T12:27:21 < PaulFertser> GND too, and some adapters need target Vcc as a reference.
2014-10-20T12:27:25 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-20T12:27:38 < jadew> oh, an NRST
2014-10-20T12:27:42 < jadew> *and
2014-10-20T12:28:22 < PaulFertser> That might or might not be needed, depending on the usage scenario.
2014-10-20T12:28:23 < Posterdati> I'm using Vdd, GND, SWDIO/SWDRST and SWDCLK
2014-10-20T12:28:32 < PaulFertser> nrf51?
2014-10-20T12:28:38 < Posterdati> yes
2014-10-20T12:28:58 < dongs> cool
2014-10-20T12:29:00 < dongs> ill be doing nrf51 soon
2014-10-20T12:29:09 < dongs> but im just gonna put regular cortex debug connector on the board
2014-10-20T12:29:11 < Posterdati> nice micro
2014-10-20T12:29:35 < jadew> wifi arm?
2014-10-20T12:29:37 < Posterdati> but it has only those to debug purpose
2014-10-20T12:29:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6vYLQGl.png im doing a bluetooth-enabled wireless-charging dildo, and you?
2014-10-20T12:29:46 < Posterdati> no it's a ble micro
2014-10-20T12:29:52 < Posterdati> with a very fast ADC
2014-10-20T12:30:02 < jadew> got it
2014-10-20T12:30:13 < Posterdati> nRF51822
2014-10-20T12:30:29 < Posterdati> tha bad thing is that softdevice they have
2014-10-20T12:31:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1243275397/air-umbrella
2014-10-20T12:31:18 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2014-10-20T12:32:01 < Laurenceb_> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/608/619/dd367be2100396e5364e5c2a3ea46864_large.jpg?1411134390
2014-10-20T12:32:53 < dongs> Laurenceb_: um i pasted this a week ago
2014-10-20T12:32:56 < dongs> and we lol'd about it
2014-10-20T12:32:59 < Posterdati> PaulFertser: it is simple to program it via gcc and openocd
2014-10-20T12:33:00 < dongs> omg its getting funded
2014-10-20T12:33:03 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2014-10-20T12:33:09 < jadew> it is
2014-10-20T12:33:36 < jadew> I bet it sounds like shit
2014-10-20T12:33:49 < Laurenceb_> the fan doesnt look right
2014-10-20T12:33:56 < Laurenceb_> also its impossible
2014-10-20T12:34:16 < Laurenceb_> even 300mph air isnt going to deflect a large raindrop over ~20cm
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2014-10-20T12:34:54 < effractur> lol 15 min battary life
2014-10-20T12:35:12 < PaulFertser> Posterdati: yes
2014-10-20T12:35:15 < jadew> so you think the video is fake too?
2014-10-20T12:35:32 < Laurenceb_> electrostatic umbrella might just work
2014-10-20T12:35:32 < jadew> yeah, the battery life is bullshit if that thing is going to work
2014-10-20T12:35:36 < Laurenceb_> but itd also kill you
2014-10-20T12:35:49 < jadew> this one could get you beaten up
2014-10-20T12:35:58 < dongs> what video
2014-10-20T12:36:05 < dongs> is tehre a video of it acutall working
2014-10-20T12:36:08 < jadew> because it splashes all the water around you
2014-10-20T12:36:14 < jadew> dongs, yeah
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2014-10-20T12:36:19 < Laurenceb_> link
2014-10-20T12:36:28 < jadew> it's in the product video
2014-10-20T12:36:31 < jadew> towards the end
2014-10-20T12:36:41 < jadew> some dude straps it on a stick
2014-10-20T12:36:48 < jadew> and then they pour watter on it
2014-10-20T12:36:51 < Laurenceb_> oh at the top
2014-10-20T12:36:56 < Laurenceb_> omg
2014-10-20T12:37:02 < Laurenceb_> dat musak
2014-10-20T12:37:12 < Laurenceb_>  "50 grams"
2014-10-20T12:37:25 < jadew> what 50 grams?
2014-10-20T12:37:49 < Laurenceb_> 500grams on the text
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2014-10-20T12:38:02 < effractur> ans 15 min
2014-10-20T12:38:38 < Laurenceb_> FAAAKKKKKKKEEE
2014-10-20T12:38:39 < effractur> lol 850grams
2014-10-20T12:38:52 < jadew> thing is, the way it looks, it would have gotten funded even if it wasn't an umbrella
2014-10-20T12:38:54 < Laurenceb_> that spray test looked sooo fake
2014-10-20T12:38:57 < jadew> most backers are women
2014-10-20T12:39:20 < jadew> (just checked, they're not) :P
2014-10-20T12:42:20 < Laurenceb_> dropkicker needs to cover this thing
2014-10-20T12:43:36 < dongs> you think i can read MANchester2 with stm32, if so, what should I use adc or usart or ??
2014-10-20T12:43:58 < dongs> bit time is 960ns
2014-10-20T12:46:41 < karlp> what's MANchester2?
2014-10-20T12:46:57 < dongs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_code
2014-10-20T12:47:07 < karlp> thought you had some special thing
2014-10-20T12:47:20 < karlp> BMP does manchester decoding for swo
2014-10-20T12:47:27 < jadew> dongs, you'll have to sample it
2014-10-20T12:47:33 < jadew> you can probably do it with timers as well
2014-10-20T12:47:36 < dongs> karlp: at what speed?
2014-10-20T12:47:44 < karlp> so it can do higher baud rate than uart, not sure, I dont' have one.
2014-10-20T12:47:50 < dongs> neat
2014-10-20T12:47:53 < jadew> but I think a good way of doing it is to find edge, sample at given interval and see what you have there
2014-10-20T12:48:12 < jadew> oh, there's a peripheral for it?
2014-10-20T12:48:22 < dongs> very doubt it
2014-10-20T12:48:23 < jadew> on which chip?
2014-10-20T12:49:14 < karlp> https://github.com/blacksphere/blackmagic/blob/master/src/platforms/stm32/traceswo.c
2014-10-20T12:49:43 < karlp> input capture, then process timings
2014-10-20T12:50:25 < dongs> very cool
2014-10-20T12:50:40 < dongs> lol does that use libopencm3
2014-10-20T12:51:19 < karlp> he wrote the usb stack for libopencm3
2014-10-20T12:51:23 < karlp> so yeah
2014-10-20T12:51:52 < karlp> I'm sure you can work out an opencube matrix :)
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2014-10-20T13:21:26 < jadew> bidding is such a weird experience for me, I keep increasing my bid thinking that someone else might have just that ammount +0.5 or something like that
2014-10-20T13:21:38 < jadew> I always end up buying garbage for way more than it's worth
2014-10-20T13:23:36 < jadew> luckly I lost this auction, I was worried I may win :P
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2014-10-20T13:55:43 < dongs> jadew: were you trying to outbid me on my scope
2014-10-20T13:56:02 < jadew> dongs, nah, I'm into cheap stuff
2014-10-20T13:56:12 < scrts_w> LOL
2014-10-20T13:56:47 < jadew> any ideas on how to cancel an indiegogo campaign?
2014-10-20T13:57:00 < jadew> there doesn't seem to be any button for it
2014-10-20T13:57:25 < dongs> ther eisnt
2014-10-20T13:57:38 < dongs> you can only delete if you made no monety
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2014-10-20T13:58:44 < dongs> http://brown-moses.blogspot.jp/2013/05/paypal-effectively-destroys-my.html
2014-10-20T13:58:44 < dongs> haha
2014-10-20T13:58:52 < dongs> why are all these idiots having rtrouble wiht paypal
2014-10-20T13:59:48 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1278239551/bellingcat
2014-10-20T13:59:49 < dongs> what the fuck
2014-10-20T13:59:54 < jadew> sorry, was on the phone
2014-10-20T14:00:03 < jadew> well, it's not flexible funding
2014-10-20T14:00:05 < dongs>  what the fuck at that last dickstarter
2014-10-20T14:00:12 < dongs> just click it
2014-10-20T14:01:06 < jadew> that's some disturbing shit
2014-10-20T14:01:13 < dongs> 50 fucking k gbp
2014-10-20T14:01:16 < dongs> for a fucking website
2014-10-20T14:01:20 < dongs> by some dude i never heard of
2014-10-20T14:01:20 < jadew> for what?
2014-10-20T14:01:21 < dongs> until today
2014-10-20T14:01:25 < dongs> thats all
2014-10-20T14:01:38 < dongs> from the look of that brown moses shit
2014-10-20T14:01:41 < dongs> hes hosting it at blogger
2014-10-20T14:01:42 < dongs> for free
2014-10-20T14:01:49 < dongs> cuz thats the dfeault blogger theme, same ashit as tarduino.cc
2014-10-20T14:01:54 < dongs> so taht needs a total of $0 per month to run
2014-10-20T14:03:16 < jadew> It's important to note these investigations were done by a variety of people, showing the importance of making open source investigation tools and techniques available to anyone,
2014-10-20T14:03:24 < jadew> wtf does that even mean?
2014-10-20T14:04:22 < PeterM> open source investigation tools? like what? public utilities, your mouth, eyes and get the fuck out you conspiracy dipshit?
2014-10-20T14:05:18 < jadew> this makes me sad...
2014-10-20T14:07:31 < dongs> this makes me want to turn syria into a nuclear wasteland
2014-10-20T14:07:35 < dongs> i wonder if Ican donate somewehre to make it happen
2014-10-20T14:07:53 < dongs> so this guy won't have anything left to blog about
2014-10-20T14:08:00 < dongs> and wont have another job
2014-10-20T14:08:05 < dongs> because hes a worthless fuck
2014-10-20T14:08:14 < jadew> what makes me sad is that that shit project made it and mine didn't, is my project that crappy?
2014-10-20T14:11:01 < jadew> so much shit I wouldn't give a spit for get successfully funded, it's mindnumbing
2014-10-20T14:11:14 < karlp> that was basically just paying for him to keep blogging syria and not taking a job where he couldn't talk about it.
2014-10-20T14:11:23 < dongs> karlp: right
2014-10-20T14:11:27 < karlp> no idea why he went on about "open source investigative journalism"
2014-10-20T14:11:38 < jadew> karlp, he's just copying shit from the net
2014-10-20T14:11:44 < jadew> I can do that in 30 minutes / day
2014-10-20T14:11:55 < jadew> there's not that much shit popping up every day
2014-10-20T14:12:25 < karlp> well, I was led to believe he was doing a lot of research on all the photos to be found to do analysis of them
2014-10-20T14:12:42 < karlp> and i believe there _is_ a lot of shit popping up every day, just not lots of stuff that gets up to other news outlets
2014-10-20T14:12:46 < dongs> open in photoshop, select auto contrast?????
2014-10-20T14:12:52 < karlp> there's a shitload of people in the world with cameras and phones
2014-10-20T14:13:14 < dongs> where the fuyck is syria anyway
2014-10-20T14:13:19 < dongs> some shit near iraq?
2014-10-20T14:13:19 < jadew> haha
2014-10-20T14:13:22 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-20T14:14:02 < jadew> karlp, don't know dude, I think everything that needs to be seen shows up on liveleak
2014-10-20T14:14:10 < jadew> and there's really not that much
2014-10-20T14:14:43 < karlp> jadew: videos yes, but not pictures, and does liveleak get things that aren't, "ooo, gore!" ?
2014-10-20T14:15:23 < karlp> the general, "here's some shrapnel, pictures 976/100000" and then working out who made it, when, and what fired it, is I believe what's getting paid to keep doing.
2014-10-20T14:15:40 < dongs> does anyone actually give a shit about that?
2014-10-20T14:15:44 < dongs> like *honestly*
2014-10-20T14:15:58 < karlp> some do, like, "who actually fired chemical weapons" ?
2014-10-20T14:16:07 < karlp> and "who sold them?"
2014-10-20T14:16:15 < dongs> i still think it would be cheaper to just nuke syria.
2014-10-20T14:16:16 < karlp> but yeah, lots of it? not so much.
2014-10-20T14:16:31 < jadew> karlp, so you're basically saying he's investigating if the news outlets are lying or not? ALL OF THEM
2014-10-20T14:16:31 < karlp> doens't mean people won't pay for it.
2014-10-20T14:16:51 < karlp> jadew: no, I don't think that's his point at all,
2014-10-20T14:17:07 < karlp> I think it's just, "here's a lot more information that you wern't even looking at"
2014-10-20T14:18:05 < jadew> karlp, again, waste of time, what's important gets covered and there are lots of conspiracy theorists out there anyway that record and store everything that comes out of that place
2014-10-20T14:19:00 < jadew> not to mention that I'd rather trust the BBC than this guy
2014-10-20T14:19:08 < jadew> at least the BBC has people in there
2014-10-20T14:19:19 < jadew> that can tell you "yes, this guy with the funny hat took the video"
2014-10-20T14:19:40 < Laurenceb> lol BBC
2014-10-20T14:19:50 < Laurenceb> BBC is responsible for the whole mess
2014-10-20T14:19:58 < Laurenceb> biased broadcasting company
2014-10-20T14:20:13 < jadew> Laurenceb, really? I always felt like the BBC is the most proffessional of the bunch
2014-10-20T14:20:27 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2014-10-20T14:20:37 < Laurenceb> its just pro uk government propoganda
2014-10-20T14:21:07 < Laurenceb> e.g. they went in with embedded reporters with Syrian "rebels"
2014-10-20T14:21:28 < Laurenceb> so there was a guy sitting around next to some sniper who was shooting random people
2014-10-20T14:21:40 < Laurenceb> and doing a news broadcast
2014-10-20T14:22:08 < Laurenceb> and earlier they showed footage of some camera crew who appeared to be helping "rebels" carry weapons
2014-10-20T14:22:16 < Laurenceb> this was pre - "IS" of course
2014-10-20T14:22:27 < Laurenceb> but BBC is responsible for IS
2014-10-20T14:22:54 < Laurenceb> they show their propaganda broadcasts etc
2014-10-20T14:22:55 < jadew> I can imagine a situation where a reporter is asked to carry weapons
2014-10-20T14:23:05 < jadew> the idea is that they won't shoot them, not that they won't ask them for favors
2014-10-20T14:23:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/d631D6c.jpg
2014-10-20T14:23:19 < jadew> and if a guy who just killed 10 random people on the street asks you a favor, you do it
2014-10-20T14:23:49 < dongs> reply is like lower voltage
2014-10-20T14:23:57 < jadew> is that preamble?
2014-10-20T14:24:02 < jadew> like a lot of preable for 1 byte?
2014-10-20T14:24:05 < Laurenceb> also wtf at bellingcat
2014-10-20T14:24:17 < Laurenceb> lol @ babby with gun
2014-10-20T14:24:21 < Laurenceb> wtf syria
2014-10-20T14:25:18 < jadew> Laurenceb, how is the BBC responsible for IS?
2014-10-20T14:25:27 < jadew> I mean, what did they do?
2014-10-20T14:25:38 < Laurenceb> broadcast propaganda
2014-10-20T14:26:07 < Laurenceb> broadcast biased coverage with encouraged uk military action against Libya
2014-10-20T14:26:11 < jadew> (I don't watch the news much, haven't listened to BBC in more than 2 or 3 years, my comment on BBC being pro is based on other stories that didn't cover this stuff)
2014-10-20T14:26:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/v3QXnUY.png better pic
2014-10-20T14:26:29 < dongs> but i think this shit is differential
2014-10-20T14:26:32 < dongs> i need to hookup the other end
2014-10-20T14:26:35 < dongs> to see what the idference is
2014-10-20T14:27:28 < Laurenceb> http://biasedbbc.org/blog/2013/09/07/syria-crisis-raises-question-of-mark-mardells-bias-and-accuracy/
2014-10-20T14:31:29 < jadew> there are no external millitary forces in syria, are they?
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2014-10-20T14:31:52 < jadew> last I read anything about that was when the civil war started
2014-10-20T14:32:01 < Laurenceb> there are US special forces working undercover
2014-10-20T14:32:08 < jadew> why?
2014-10-20T14:32:16 < karlp> gotta spend the budget somehow :)
2014-10-20T14:32:19 < Laurenceb> but you wont read about that in mainstream media, theres a news blackout
2014-10-20T14:32:53 < jadew> and that's what that guy is doing?
2014-10-20T14:32:58 < Laurenceb> stir shit up and get more spending, same game every time
2014-10-20T14:33:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/LqTZJjn.png differential shit seems to be just inverted, except occasional times like in the center
2014-10-20T14:35:01 < jadew> dongs, that's still the old scope, right?
2014-10-20T14:35:07 < dongs> yeah
2014-10-20T14:35:10 < dongs> new one is still on fedex truck
2014-10-20T14:35:10 < Laurenceb> can you do it with usart?
2014-10-20T14:35:21 < Laurenceb> does usart support manchester in hardware?
2014-10-20T14:35:31 < Laurenceb> maybe ive got stm32 confused with some other micro...
2014-10-20T14:36:36 < karlp> you have :)
2014-10-20T14:37:25 < jadew> anyone here got a hackrf?
2014-10-20T14:37:55 < jadew> I'm trying to find a reason to buy one
2014-10-20T14:38:38 < scrts_w> have you considered bladerf?
2014-10-20T14:38:46 < jadew> scrts_w, yeah
2014-10-20T14:38:59 < jadew> the frequency range is much lower
2014-10-20T14:39:18 < zyp> and the bandwidth is much higher
2014-10-20T14:39:27 < jadew> yeah, the bandwidth is higher
2014-10-20T14:39:37 < zyp> also the price is four times as high
2014-10-20T14:39:41 < jadew> nah
2014-10-20T14:39:42 < PeterM> jadew: heres a pretty good reason to buy one, its somethign to fuck aroudn with for the hell of it
2014-10-20T14:39:45 < jadew> it's $400 now
2014-10-20T14:39:54 < zyp> yes, it was $400 when I bought mine to
2014-10-20T14:40:04 < zyp> isn't hackrf only like $100?
2014-10-20T14:40:10 < jadew> $300
2014-10-20T14:40:13 < zyp> oh
2014-10-20T14:40:26 < jadew> PeterM, yeah, that's why I actually want it :P
2014-10-20T14:40:42 < jadew> zyp, are you using it for anything useful?
2014-10-20T14:40:47 < zyp> no :p
2014-10-20T14:41:03 < jadew> that's why I'm not sure I should get one :P
2014-10-20T14:41:53 < jadew> I was imagining it would make for an awesome car radio
2014-10-20T14:42:06 < jadew> but then I'd have to buy a car too and I've been postponing that for a while
2014-10-20T14:42:07 < PeterM> jadew why do we buy anything if not just to fuck aroudn with it?
2014-10-20T14:42:39 < jadew> PeterM, I have to know I can fuck around for quite a while before I pay $300 for it
2014-10-20T14:42:57 < jadew> I got borred of the rtl-sdr quite fast
2014-10-20T14:43:03 < jadew> but that was ok, because it was $12
2014-10-20T14:43:25 < jadew> could only go from 70 MHz to 1.2 GHz
2014-10-20T14:43:53 < jadew> so now for $300, I'd get 10 to 70 MHz and the 2.4 GHz range which might come in handy
2014-10-20T14:44:16 < scrts_w> but no full duplex with hackrf
2014-10-20T14:44:29 < jadew> scrts_w, yeah, I'm not sure how that's a problem tho
2014-10-20T14:44:54 < jadew> would have made for a nice ghetto SA + TG if it did that tho
2014-10-20T14:45:07 < scrts_w> well, if you want a full communication, then that's an issue
2014-10-20T14:45:22 < scrts_w> if you only want to liste, record and then replay, then it's fine
2014-10-20T14:45:42 < scrts_w> check if you can do a full rx/tx chains in gnu radio
2014-10-20T14:46:19 < scrts_w> I mean simultaneous
2014-10-20T14:46:30 < jadew> yeah, you can't with the hackrf
2014-10-20T14:47:18 < scrts_w> maybe gnu radio is capable of fast switching between paths, so you basically won't have the issue when trying to communicate both ways?
2014-10-20T14:47:32 < scrts_w> anyway... for WiFi usage that would be an issue :)
2014-10-20T14:48:00 < jadew> scrts_w, I don't think it can do any wifi decoding, can it?
2014-10-20T14:48:06 < jadew> is it fast enough for that?
2014-10-20T14:48:25 < scrts_w> your pc should be fast enough to parse raw data and do the stack stuff
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2014-10-20T14:49:18 < jadew> damn it, now I want one
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2014-10-20T14:57:51 < jadew> so freaking stupid, because I ordered from a french site paypal in in francaise
2014-10-20T14:58:17 < jadew> luckly I understand Payer
2014-10-20T14:58:18 < emeryth> what do they call paypal in france?
2014-10-20T14:58:55 < jadew> payerami
2014-10-20T14:59:23 < emeryth> you were supposed to say "le paypal"
2014-10-20T14:59:34 < jadew> :P
2014-10-20T14:59:43 < jadew> ordered!
2014-10-20T15:00:06 < jadew> luckly it will arrive in december or january so I won't tell my wife what I did
2014-10-20T15:01:25 < jadew> I already have buyers remorse lol
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2014-10-20T15:05:29 < zyp> Steffanx, so I hear russia is claiming that you're invading sweden
2014-10-20T15:08:31 < dongs> hackrf/bladerf are totally useless
2014-10-20T15:08:38 < dongs> unless y ouwant to spend the rest of your life dicking with gnugarbageradio
2014-10-20T15:08:58 < jadew> dongs, there's SDR#
2014-10-20T15:09:01 < jadew> which is pretty nice
2014-10-20T15:09:10 < jadew> kinda lacking in features, but it's something
2014-10-20T15:09:44 < jadew> http://sdrsharp.com/
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2014-10-20T15:10:33 < dongs>  i know
2014-10-20T15:10:42 < dongs> i dont see waht $300 gets you more than $10 dvb songle
2014-10-20T15:10:43 < dongs> dongle
2014-10-20T15:11:09 < emeryth> ability to transmit?
2014-10-20T15:11:09 < jadew> well, for one I could take a look at the 2.4 GHz traffic
2014-10-20T15:11:16 < jadew> I don't care about TX really
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2014-10-20T15:11:23 < dongs> emeryth: theres even less usable software for tx
2014-10-20T15:11:43 < jadew> now that I'll own one, I'll probably write my own software and I'll try to make it into a ghetto SA
2014-10-20T15:11:56 < jadew> with a near field probe it might turn to be a useful tool
2014-10-20T15:12:39 < jadew> kinda annoying that it doesn't go below 10 MHz, but meh.. I can use my scope + FFT for that
2014-10-20T15:13:23 < PeterM> lol dingle
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2014-10-20T15:39:01 < Laurenceb> http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/jtrig.gif
2014-10-20T15:39:03 < Laurenceb> lolld
2014-10-20T15:42:21 < jadew> what's that?
2014-10-20T15:42:34 < jadew> what exactly is JTRIG?
2014-10-20T15:43:34 < jadew> wikipedia answered
2014-10-20T15:43:41 < jadew> that's silly
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2014-10-20T15:44:43 < dongs> hm so i think i need opamp or something to bump that stuff into usable voltage range
2014-10-20T15:44:50 < dongs> shit looks to be 500mV-ish levels
2014-10-20T15:45:17 < jadew> where is it comming from?
2014-10-20T15:45:22 < dongs> probes
2014-10-20T15:45:38 < dongs> its the displayport aux channel
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2014-10-20T15:51:52 < Laurenceb> "Maddie" is an anagram of "I'm dead"
2014-10-20T15:52:55 < Laurenceb> http://spacenear.us/tracker/hysplit_cache/141020-10_139713_B64.gif  <- attn dongs
2014-10-20T15:53:40 < dongs> did it draw shape of dong
2014-10-20T15:54:08 < Laurenceb> get your laser ready
2014-10-20T15:54:13 < dongs> whats this
2014-10-20T15:54:39 < Laurenceb> balloon
2014-10-20T15:54:51 < Laurenceb> http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
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2014-10-20T16:14:30 < karlp> wow, adding code to an unused function is segfaulting my lua runtime.
2014-10-20T16:14:33 < karlp> what. the. fuck
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2014-10-20T16:16:08 < zyp> nice
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2014-10-20T16:30:03 < karlp> I must have blown up the lua/C stack somewhere, I'm getting the strangest results
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2014-10-20T17:16:45 < dongs> http://www.juhuipcb.com/Product_en.asp look they be selling other customers PCB
2014-10-20T17:19:10 < Laurenceb> regulated management customer first
2014-10-20T17:20:20 < englishman> dongs: so this is your fab?
2014-10-20T17:20:37 < englishman> PCB Bouble Sided
2014-10-20T17:21:19 < dongs> haha no
2014-10-20T17:21:22 < dongs> they spammed me
2014-10-20T17:21:25 < dongs> about RFM23BP prices
2014-10-20T17:21:38 < englishman> man fuck hopeRF
2014-10-20T17:21:49 < englishman> i get cheaper prices and cheaper shipping from taobao+bhiner
2014-10-20T17:21:51 < dongs> which are better than what im getting them from my chinagirl, of course
2014-10-20T17:22:54 < dongs> im giving them away anyway
2014-10-20T17:23:04 < englishman> shit like that is why i want to begin a career as "white person in china"
2014-10-20T17:25:28 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5d9_1413698891 fucking lol
2014-10-20T17:34:14 < jadew> dongs, how did you figure out they're selling other people's PCBs?
2014-10-20T17:34:29 < dongs> huh i dunno, those pics???
2014-10-20T17:34:55 < dongs> http://www.juhuipcb.com/files856985665897965/product/2013-11-4/289825706.jpg
2014-10-20T17:35:24 < jadew> and no pdf data
2014-10-20T17:35:27 < jadew> yeah, I guess you're right
2014-10-20T17:36:23 < jadew> why would they do that? it's not like anyone else can use them
2014-10-20T17:36:41 < dongs> fuck if i know
2014-10-20T17:36:47 < dongs> oh, im gonna ask about this shit in stonerstronics
2014-10-20T17:39:18 < englishman> hm i thought you were banned
2014-10-20T17:39:26 < dongs> got a pal to fix that
2014-10-20T17:39:39 < englishman> im banned from ##embedded or something
2014-10-20T17:40:22 < jadew> everybody loves me
2014-10-20T17:40:39 < jadew> actually I may be banned from some programming channels
2014-10-20T17:41:13 < jadew> dongs, that video is really sad and what's worse is that the comments are way too funny
2014-10-20T17:41:43 < dongs> yes, the comments are great
2014-10-20T17:41:52 < dongs> especially the highest voted 1st one ;d
2014-10-20T17:42:05 < jadew> yeah, that one cracked me up
2014-10-20T17:43:59 < dongs> so stonertronics says i should use opamp (as i suspected), maybe in comparator configuration
2014-10-20T17:44:03 < dongs> sigh
2014-10-20T17:44:08 < jadew> why not comparator?
2014-10-20T17:44:10 < dongs> i dont have any dip opamps
2014-10-20T17:44:12 < dongs> well, or that
2014-10-20T17:44:20 < englishman> for what?
2014-10-20T17:44:27 < jadew> digital signal
2014-10-20T17:44:30 < jadew> < 500 mV
2014-10-20T17:44:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/rNp5T7Z.png turning into logic levens
2014-10-20T17:44:41 < jadew> a comparator is more suited for that
2014-10-20T17:44:45 < dongs> lvels
2014-10-20T17:44:57 < englishman> jadew: heh, sdr#  with hackrf is a joke
2014-10-20T17:45:03 < englishman> hackrf is a joke tho
2014-10-20T17:45:10 < englishman> unless you love lunix, which i guess some people do
2014-10-20T17:45:22 < jadew> englishman, why unless I love lunix?
2014-10-20T17:45:36 < englishman> because it's completely useless on windows vs. a rtlsdr?
2014-10-20T17:45:39 < dongs> cuz you'll go insane compiling gnuradio on windows
2014-10-20T17:45:44 < jadew> ah
2014-10-20T17:45:50 < jadew> don't worry
2014-10-20T17:45:54 < englishman> dongs: not even
2014-10-20T17:45:59 < englishman> i got gnuradio working on windows
2014-10-20T17:46:03 < jadew> I plan to write my own stuff for whatever I need to do with it
2014-10-20T17:46:08 < dongs> im sorry to hear that
2014-10-20T17:46:12 < englishman> but there's zero hackrf or even rtlsdr support
2014-10-20T17:46:12 < jadew> other than listening
2014-10-20T17:46:26 < englishman> so it's just a signal processor with no inputs!
2014-10-20T17:46:28 < englishman> awesome!
2014-10-20T17:46:41 < dongs> but
2014-10-20T17:46:54 < dongs> i bet you can cat /dev/rtlsdr | pipe some shit | lolgnuradio | python > lol.txt
2014-10-20T17:46:56 < dongs> to decode something
2014-10-20T17:47:03 < englishman> do i need a command line to do that
2014-10-20T17:47:14 < englishman> when i type cat in cmd.exe it gives me an error
2014-10-20T17:47:23 < jadew> it's called type
2014-10-20T17:47:25 < dongs> try nyan.cat
2014-10-20T17:47:52 < dongs> jadew: so a comparator, just directly going to a logic pin?
2014-10-20T17:48:01 < dongs> i guess i'll try BMP's timer capture method to try and read this shit
2014-10-20T17:48:12 < dongs> unless sync uart would work
2014-10-20T17:48:16 < englishman> hackrf is half-duplex anyway
2014-10-20T17:48:33 < jadew> dongs, yeah, but put it in a schmidth configuration or whatever is called
2014-10-20T17:48:34 < englishman> that ettus shit seemed ok and at least supports windows
2014-10-20T17:48:56 < jadew> so when it's high, it doesn't go low unless the level is max level / 3
2014-10-20T17:49:13 < dongs> englishman: ettus shit is a paid commercial product
2014-10-20T17:49:14 < jadew> and if it's low, it doesn't go high unless the level is max level / 3 * 2
2014-10-20T17:49:19 < dongs> unlike all this semi-opensores trash
2014-10-20T17:49:20 < englishman> dongs: yes which is why it works
2014-10-20T17:49:22 < jadew> (max level / 3) * 2
2014-10-20T17:49:27 < zyp> radio is mostly half-duplex anyway, since you're using a shared medium
2014-10-20T17:49:45 < englishman> all the hackrf competitors are full duplex tho
2014-10-20T17:50:12 < jadew> yeah, I don't think you get to use full-duplex that much
2014-10-20T17:50:13 < dongs> transmitting on any of those devices is illegal anyway
2014-10-20T17:50:19 < jadew> that too
2014-10-20T17:50:28 < jadew> actually it depends on the power
2014-10-20T17:50:33 < englishman> maybe in fascist japan
2014-10-20T17:50:45 < dongs> I got a bunch of dtv modulators but they're all < 1GHz
2014-10-20T17:51:08 < dongs> they all take I/Q, so theoretically i could generate some crap with some other crap and transmit it but then I'll be like ??????????????????
2014-10-20T17:51:25 < dongs> englishman: you should learn DSP and write a NTSC encoder
2014-10-20T17:51:29 < dongs> for hackrf
2014-10-20T17:51:33 < englishman> whyyyy
2014-10-20T17:51:38 < englishman> why waste time on analolgue shit
2014-10-20T17:51:43 < dongs> cuz its going to be amazingly clear
2014-10-20T17:51:45 < dongs> cuz its digital
2014-10-20T17:51:46 < dongs> !!!!
2014-10-20T17:52:08 < dongs> like analog shit sucks cuz source is analog right??
2014-10-20T17:52:16 < englishman> can has link to dtv modulators
2014-10-20T17:52:21 < zyp> I considered writing a decoder for bladerf
2014-10-20T17:52:40 < dongs> englishman: dektec, got their pci/pcie/usb stuff
2014-10-20T17:53:02 < englishman> oh that ebay thing
2014-10-20T17:53:14 < englishman> not something you can put on a rc heli then
2014-10-20T17:53:20 < dongs> no.
2014-10-20T17:53:25 < dongs> that stuff is in my drawer still
2014-10-20T17:57:52 < dongs> http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/fairbanks-man-allegedly-robbed-after-getting-into-car-with-strangers/article_7ad96396-581e-11e4-94c3-001a4bcf6878.html
2014-10-20T17:57:57 < dongs> typical alaska day
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2014-10-20T18:13:32 < dongs> jadew: battery for my 3ghz E44somethingorother analyzer
2014-10-20T18:14:36 < jadew> for the RTC?
2014-10-20T18:15:04 < jadew> or is that so it's "portable"?
2014-10-20T18:15:17 < dongs> RTC + "calibration data"
2014-10-20T18:15:30 < dongs> there is a portable battery, too
2014-10-20T18:15:34 < dongs> im sure it makes it weight double
2014-10-20T18:16:05 < jadew> so how do you change the batter if it's holding the calibration data as well?
2014-10-20T18:16:11 < jadew> do you power it separately?
2014-10-20T18:16:25 < dongs> you can just rerun calibration
2014-10-20T18:16:33 < dongs> it keeps asking me taht shit every time i power it on
2014-10-20T18:16:38 < jadew> ah
2014-10-20T18:16:48 < jadew> I thought it needs to be factory calibrated
2014-10-20T18:16:50 < dongs> but it takes like 3 minutes of it cilcking and shit
2014-10-20T18:16:56 < dongs> its some other calibration
2014-10-20T18:17:00 < dongs> no idea
2014-10-20T18:17:42 < jadew> I don't think I have any bench instrument with a battery in it
2014-10-20T18:17:46 < jadew> maybe the scope?
2014-10-20T18:18:07 < dongs> http://www.keysight.com/en/pd-1000002786%3Aepsg%3Apro-pn-E4402B/esa-e-spectrum-analyzer-100-hz-to-30-ghz?cc=US&lc=eng whyt the fuck is this still on sale
2014-10-20T18:18:11 < dongs> for $25k
2014-10-20T18:18:13 < dongs> its ancient as fuck
2014-10-20T18:18:44 < jadew> how do you know it's $25k?
2014-10-20T18:18:50 < dongs> it say sright on the site
2014-10-20T18:18:52 < jadew> it says "request a quote" for me
2014-10-20T18:19:00 < dongs> try choosing usa
2014-10-20T18:19:01 < dongs> for country
2014-10-20T18:19:06 < dongs> it told me to fuck off for jp locale too
2014-10-20T18:19:09 < dongs> top right shit
2014-10-20T18:19:16 < jadew> there we go
2014-10-20T18:19:28 < jadew> maybe it's a mistake since they moved their data?
2014-10-20T18:19:45 < jadew> I think they have a much nicer line of SAs now
2014-10-20T18:19:53 < jadew> much cheaper too
2014-10-20T18:19:57 < dongs> E1779BBattery Pack for ESA Spectrum AnalyzersUS$3,484
2014-10-20T18:19:58 < dongs> looooool
2014-10-20T18:20:03 < dongs> thats the portable one
2014-10-20T18:20:08 < jadew> I think the 6 GHZ BSA is about 15k
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2014-10-20T18:20:26 < jadew> heh, they sure overcharge on some stuff
2014-10-20T18:21:40 < jadew> I like the look on these specturm analyzers better
2014-10-20T18:21:51 < jadew> (btw, today I was trying to win a SA)
2014-10-20T18:21:57 < jadew> *a broken SA
2014-10-20T18:22:01 < dongs> heh
2014-10-20T18:22:06 < dongs> how the fuck woudl you even fix it
2014-10-20T18:22:21 < jadew> well, I was hoping it was either the PSU or that ancient screen
2014-10-20T18:22:39 < jadew> if it was something else, luck
2014-10-20T18:22:52 < jadew> and if all that failed, it would have gone into the trash
2014-10-20T18:23:14 < dongs> http://www.keysight.com/en/pd-2465135-pn-N9040B/uxa-signal-analyzer-3-hz-to-265-ghz?nid=-33932.1105448&cc=US&lc=eng thats a really nice screen
2014-10-20T18:23:38 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-20T18:25:22 < englishman> dongs: it's not for sale, price is for reference
2014-10-20T18:25:42 < jadew> englishman, can't you ask them to build one for you?
2014-10-20T18:25:49 < dongs> oh ok
2014-10-20T18:25:58 < jadew> ah, it says from
2014-10-20T18:26:10 < jadew> so I guess the screen and the box is 80k
2014-10-20T18:26:17 < dongs> well yeah
2014-10-20T18:26:18 < englishman> jadew: maybe you can, as you can ask porsche to make you a new 1964 911. you can ask all you want. ask away.
2014-10-20T18:26:20 < dongs> then you add some ripoff options
2014-10-20T18:26:30 < dongs> that are probably just software keys
2014-10-20T18:26:35 < dongs> written in eeprom
2014-10-20T18:26:39 < dongs> wiht option name = unlock key
2014-10-20T18:27:15 < jadew> englishman, ah you were talking about the old SA?
2014-10-20T18:27:20 < englishman> ya
2014-10-20T18:27:27 < jadew> good catch
2014-10-20T18:27:50 < englishman> 26.5ghz, cool
2014-10-20T18:28:02 < jadew> from 3 Hz :)
2014-10-20T18:28:50 < dongs> what do you even do at 3hz
2014-10-20T18:29:48 < dongs> i cant get my awesome logic analyzer to fucking read in this manchester shit
2014-10-20T18:30:02 < dongs> it has adjustable voltage thresholds but i dont see it working
2014-10-20T18:30:18 < dongs> it has a decoder for it tho
2014-10-20T18:30:19 < jadew> dongs, just put a comparator between them
2014-10-20T18:30:25 < jadew> it takes 5 minutes
2014-10-20T18:30:28 < dongs> yes no shit, i dont have that either :)
2014-10-20T18:30:36 < jadew> ah :P
2014-10-20T18:30:44  * jadew hands dongs a comparator
2014-10-20T18:31:08 < jadew> use an opamp then...
2014-10-20T18:31:15 < jadew> if you don't have that either, open something up
2014-10-20T18:31:20 < jadew> and recover an opamp from there
2014-10-20T18:31:37 < dongs> I have a lm378 somewehre thats about it
2014-10-20T18:31:44 < dongs> or 376
2014-10-20T18:31:45 < dongs> or ahtever
2014-10-20T18:32:12 < jadew> how is that even possible?
2014-10-20T18:32:26 < jadew> you have super nice toys and no components?
2014-10-20T18:32:29 < dongs> i have zero analog shit
2014-10-20T18:32:31 < englishman> analolgue is dumb
2014-10-20T18:32:36 < dongs> all i have is passives and ICs
2014-10-20T18:33:00 < Steffanx> Just go cheap and sample some from TI :P
2014-10-20T18:33:08 < Steffanx> You'll have them tomorrow
2014-10-20T18:34:37 < jadew> dongs, do you have 2 mosfets?
2014-10-20T18:34:52 < jadew> you may be able to convert it to... 1.2 or something like that
2014-10-20T18:35:00 < dongs> NDS356AP and NDS355AN
2014-10-20T18:35:28 < jadew> actually, you might be able to do it with a single one + pullup
2014-10-20T18:35:32 < dongs> also IRLML6401
2014-10-20T18:35:35 < dongs> are the only 3
2014-10-20T18:35:49 < jadew> make it so it's open when the level is low
2014-10-20T18:36:03 < dongs> i cant fuck with levels on the input signal
2014-10-20T18:36:07 < dongs> i mean, pullin it up etc
2014-10-20T18:36:08 < jadew> so you'll have to use maybe something like 1.2 - 1.3 V on the drain
2014-10-20T18:36:10 < dongs> its part of live connection
2014-10-20T18:37:17 < dongs> ill dick wiuth it later
2014-10-20T18:37:37 < dongs> its too bad i started playing with this shit after i submitted the board,  Icould have added some prototyping shit for testing the stuff for oen that went out today
2014-10-20T18:38:01 < dongs> o well, too much shit to innovate anyway, and even less time
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2014-10-20T18:49:28 < dongs> heh dicked with thresholds a bit
2014-10-20T18:49:29 < dongs> and got it to read
2014-10-20T18:51:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/olDWGc1.png
2014-10-20T18:51:43 < dongs> thats enough innovation for today
2014-10-20T18:52:44 < jadew> is it the right data?
2014-10-20T18:53:42 < dongs> its possible, but i duno if its decoding it correctly
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2014-10-20T18:58:16 < dongs> ftp://ftp.cis.nctu.edu.tw/pub/csie/Software/X11/private/VeSaSpEcS/VESA_Document_Center_Monitor_Interface/mccsV3.pdf i think its maybe MCCS stuff
2014-10-20T18:58:19 < dongs> over displayport AUX
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2014-10-20T19:28:06 < Laurenceb> http://api.ning.com/files/zMJxnqMJKq0OL*R1KWvq0vYyU81daO19fSUUriUF64eAzeFWtDTv4NAxTZeLdYq46D-BG7WdPkKWnXW9GJ42JPB3LJ3R5Rxa/c9Ups.gif
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2014-10-20T22:39:37 < zyp> hrm, I'm trying to stream the configuration into this fpga, but it doesn't seem to do anything with it
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2014-10-20T22:45:49 < zyp> oh, I think I got it
2014-10-20T22:45:52 < zyp> «On Spartan-3 generation FPGAs, by Xilinx convention, data bit D0 is the most-significant bit (MSB) and bit D7 is the least-significant bit (LSB).»
2014-10-20T22:51:23 < scrts> same on altera
2014-10-20T22:51:36 < scrts> so I swap the binary file usually :)
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2014-10-20T22:52:29 < zyp> is there a quick trick to do that?
2014-10-20T22:57:15 < GargantuaSauce> what the heck would motivate that choice
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2014-10-20T23:03:56 < synico> If I'm using dma to copy memory from a buffer to a peripheral, does the memory size need to be the same size as the peripheral?  For instance, I've got an array of uint8_t, but the peripheral size is 16bit.  If I set the memory size to just a byte, will weirdness occur?
2014-10-20T23:05:47 < zyp> depends, should be fine
2014-10-20T23:06:04 < zyp> I'm doing that somewhere and it works fine for me
2014-10-20T23:06:29 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-20T23:06:56 < zyp> swapping the bit order doesn't seem to fix anything, the fpga is still acting as if it's not receiving any data
2014-10-20T23:07:14 < zyp> sending the same bitstream over jtag works fine, so I know the bitstream is good
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2014-10-20T23:59:06 < zyp> huh, got it working
2014-10-20T23:59:14 < zyp> looks like the documentation lies
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2014-10-21T00:00:07 < zyp> or not, hmm
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2014-10-21T00:08:25 < synico> zyp: What are the chances it could cause something like this: http://synicworld.com/media/stuff.png  (this is the ws2812 stuff some more... I'm using some of your code for it)
2014-10-21T00:08:32 < synico> http://synicworld.com/media/stuff2.pnghttp://synicworld.com/media/stuff2.png
2014-10-21T00:08:33 < synico> er..
2014-10-21T00:08:35 < synico> http://synicworld.com/media/stuff2.png
2014-10-21T00:09:02 < synico> that random spike that shouldn't be there is screwing stuff up.  It only happens when I use certain numbers for the compare value
2014-10-21T00:09:34 < zyp> which chip?
2014-10-21T00:10:06 < synico> stm32f303vct6
2014-10-21T00:10:12 < zyp> have you tried setting both MSIZE and PSIZE to 8 bit?
2014-10-21T00:10:24 < zyp> ok, I'm also using F3, and I don't have any problems
2014-10-21T00:10:40 < synico> no, I just had this thought about maybe the sizes should be the same.  Haven't had a chance to try it yet
2014-10-21T00:10:51 < zyp> well, try that, I think that's what I do
2014-10-21T00:11:02 < synico> k
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2014-10-21T00:22:42 < zyp> fsmc is behaving kinda odd with 16-bit reads
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2014-10-21T00:23:19 < zyp> 8-bit reads generates one read event, 16-bit reads generates two
2014-10-21T00:23:32 < zyp> and 32-bit reads also generates two
2014-10-21T00:23:58 < zyp> I wonder if this is a FSMC bug or a BMP bug, since I'm trigging the reads from the debugger
2014-10-21T00:27:29 < zyp> suspect BMP decomposes a 16-bit read into two 8-bit reads
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2014-10-21T00:32:32 < zyp> yep
2014-10-21T00:43:07 < yan_> does anyone know if enabling peripherals is considered a high-energy draw operation? i'm intending to enable peripheral clocks, read a few bytes from i2c and disable peripheral clocks again at about 1hz to conserve power
2014-10-21T00:46:38 < gxti> yan_: doubt it. it just turns off clock propagation to that device.
2014-10-21T01:07:47 < karlp> yes it is, the datasheets for the l1 lists the consumption of each peripheral
2014-10-21T01:08:08 < karlp> now, where are the 24cxx i2c eeprom commands?! they're not in the datasheet?
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2014-10-21T01:20:26 < karlp> hrm, found it in another datasheet
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2014-10-21T01:49:29 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-21T01:49:52 < zyp> now this fpga loading seems to randomly work or not
2014-10-21T01:50:18 < zyp> and I don't get what the problem is
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2014-10-21T02:04:31 < zyp> oh
2014-10-21T02:05:16 < zyp> I disconnected the wire I had hooked up to MCO, now it seems perfectly reliable
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2014-10-21T02:21:45 < synico> zyp: so yeah, it looks like it does matter if they are the same size
2014-10-21T02:25:52 < synico> just kidding.  I spoke too soon.
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2014-10-21T02:39:54 < dongs> sup blogs
2014-10-21T02:40:03 < dongs> innovating
2014-10-21T02:47:01 < englishman> Are the panels back yet
2014-10-21T02:47:22 < kakeman> sup dongs
2014-10-21T02:54:45 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2014-10-21T02:54:58 < Laurenceb_> my internets have been killed by the gumbermint
2014-10-21T02:55:09 < dongs> too much cp
2014-10-21T02:55:23 < Laurenceb_> i have to sign up for my pronz
2014-10-21T02:55:44 < Laurenceb_> lol didnt realise they would do it like this
2014-10-21T02:55:58 < kakeman> you have good internets?
2014-10-21T02:56:02 < Laurenceb_> isp kills everything until i set it up to allow pronz
2014-10-21T02:56:34 < zyp> dongs, furiously inventing fpga shit
2014-10-21T02:56:35 < Laurenceb_> http://nom-proxy./clickNo?view64={{view64}}
2014-10-21T02:56:39 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2014-10-21T02:56:42 < Laurenceb_> nom nom nom
2014-10-21T02:56:47 < Laurenceb_> lots for pronz for me
2014-10-21T02:57:48 < ds2> Hmmmm
2014-10-21T02:57:59 < ds2> anyone played with the PSoC4's?
2014-10-21T02:58:05 < zyp> I think I finally have everything set up so I can synthesize a fpga bitstream and load it to the fpga without having to dick around with shitty xilinx tools directly
2014-10-21T02:58:24 < ds2> you can't escape the shitty xilinx tools
2014-10-21T02:58:45 < zyp> ds2, no, but I isolated them in a VM on my server
2014-10-21T02:58:55 < kakeman> why use xilinx?
2014-10-21T02:59:11 < zyp> because I have a board with a fucking spartan-3a fpga
2014-10-21T02:59:12 < ds2> the licensing for the xilinx tools is a nonstarter
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2014-10-21T02:59:18 < ds2> isolate or not blah
2014-10-21T02:59:26 < zyp> ds2, how so?
2014-10-21T02:59:47 < ds2> the annual license renewal crap
2014-10-21T03:00:00 < zyp> webpack license doesn't seem to be neither time-restricted nor node-locked
2014-10-21T03:00:15 < ds2> it needs to connect out periodical for it to work
2014-10-21T03:00:19 < zyp> and I guess I can cope with having to generate a new license file next year
2014-10-21T03:00:40 < ds2> my projects move slowly enough that their discontinuation can be a major hassle
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2014-10-21T03:01:20 < kakeman> zyp: throw it to corner
2014-10-21T03:01:40 < kakeman> then get altera stuff
2014-10-21T03:02:14 < ds2> doesn't that still use the mentor/candence stuff in the backend?
2014-10-21T03:02:21 < ds2> it seems like that is the source of the licensing issues
2014-10-21T03:02:48 < zyp> I might try out altera later
2014-10-21T03:03:04 < zyp> kinda pointless to switch now that I actually have a working setup
2014-10-21T03:04:01 < zyp> I keep hearing that altera tools are better than xilinx tools, but I'm not convinced that the difference is significant
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2014-10-21T03:12:24 < kakeman> me too
2014-10-21T03:12:35 < kakeman> I don't even play with fpga's
2014-10-21T03:12:41 < kakeman> fpgas
2014-10-21T03:14:51 < karlp> synico: there's a page in teh ref man about mismatched src/dest dma sizes, and what gets written where, I seem to recall
2014-10-21T03:31:27 < dongs> zyp, are you calling xst.exe and shit directly?
2014-10-21T03:32:09 < zyp> sort of, I'm trying out migen which has build scripts that does it for me
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2014-10-21T05:25:40 < dongs> speaking of 4k
2014-10-21T05:25:47 < dongs> are there any cheap  consumer 4k cams yet
2014-10-21T05:26:04 < zyp> gopro? :p
2014-10-21T05:26:09 < dongs> thats garbage
2014-10-21T05:26:22 < zyp> you said consumer :p
2014-10-21T05:26:46 < dongs> i wanna upgrade my ag-hmc150 to something, and it makes no sense to get another 1080p thing
2014-10-21T05:28:29 < dongs> ohh, HC-X1000E
2014-10-21T05:28:51 < dongs> hm, minus E part thats euroscam
2014-10-21T05:29:12 < zyp> oh, that's why I only got norwegian google hits
2014-10-21T05:29:17 < dongs> ya
2014-10-21T05:29:27 < zyp> $3500? not that cheap
2014-10-21T05:29:34 < dongs> about how much hmc150 cost
2014-10-21T05:29:39 < dongs> back years ago
2014-10-21T05:30:25 < zyp> well, it weren't actually cheap either
2014-10-21T05:30:52 < zyp> $1900 used
2014-10-21T05:30:54 < zyp> heh
2014-10-21T05:31:26 < dongs> ugh @ stuff saving as MP4 :(
2014-10-21T05:33:07 < zyp> what is better?
2014-10-21T05:33:11 < dongs> .ts?
2014-10-21T05:34:19 < zyp> how different are those really?
2014-10-21T05:34:56 < dongs> one is open, one is bullshit apple crap? :P
2014-10-21T05:37:06 < zyp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14 <- looks pretty standardized to me
2014-10-21T05:38:29 < dongs> DEAR WIKIPEDIA READERS: To protect our independence, we'll never run ads. We survive on donations averaging about ¥1,500. This is your annual reminder. If everyone reading this right now gave ¥700, our fundraiser would be done within an hour. Yep, that.s about the price of buying an programmer a coffee.
2014-10-21T05:38:34 < dongs> wales begging for cash again
2014-10-21T05:38:43 < dongs> an programmer??????????
2014-10-21T05:41:54 < dongs> anyway hm, that looks really nice
2014-10-21T05:42:30 < dongs> haha it has wifi
2014-10-21T05:42:31 < dongs> wtf
2014-10-21T06:01:04 < upgrdman> for $2k isn't there an SLR body with 4k video yet?
2014-10-21T06:04:14 < ds2> Mmmmmm a full frame 4K sensor
2014-10-21T06:04:18 < dongs> fuck SLR
2014-10-21T06:04:36 < dongs> look almost as dumb with one of those as dudes waving thier ipads tryting to record video
2014-10-21T06:05:08 < emeb_mac> gopro all the way?
2014-10-21T06:05:11 < zyp> heh
2014-10-21T06:05:19 < dongs> gopro is utterly worthless
2014-10-21T06:05:29 < dongs> fixed focus + fisheye = wat
2014-10-21T06:05:46 < zyp> the problem with SLR for video is that the focus system isn't designed for that
2014-10-21T06:05:50 < emeb_mac> so what does dongs approve of for pix & video?
2014-10-21T06:06:03 < dongs> emeb_mac: i linked what im gonna get before end of year
2014-10-21T06:06:08 < dongs> < dongs> ohh, HC-X1000
2014-10-21T06:06:11 < zyp> although newer DSLRs are getting video focus features
2014-10-21T06:06:25 < upgrdman> just buy one of those $600 cell phones with 4k video :)
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2014-10-21T06:06:55 < zyp> emeb_mac, hey, have you looked anything at migen?
2014-10-21T06:07:06 < emeb_mac> zyp: no
2014-10-21T06:07:08 < dongs> upgrdman: same problem of dumb
2014-10-21T06:07:13 < upgrdman> :)
2014-10-21T06:07:28 < zyp> emeb_mac, seems pretty nice, takes the tediousness out of HDL
2014-10-21T06:07:49 < upgrdman> but you could buy an array of cell phones, and do bullet-time videos for your trolling pleasure!
2014-10-21T06:09:02 < zyp> emeb_mac, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/05urL <- I wrote this the other day, bus interface is simply counting reads and returning the count
2014-10-21T06:09:17 < zyp> emeb_mac, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/72pYz <- and then I wrote the equivalent in migen today
2014-10-21T06:10:52 < emeb_mac> zyp: interesting
2014-10-21T06:11:08 < emeb_mac> I've seen a number of front-ends for HDL come and go over the years
2014-10-21T06:11:33 < zyp> I thought it looked a bit weird at first, and sadly the documentation seems rather poor
2014-10-21T06:11:36 < emeb_mac> either inventing new languages, or allowing one to use software-oriented languages
2014-10-21T06:11:42 < zyp> but the featureset looks pretty nice
2014-10-21T06:11:59 < emeb_mac> it's a neat idea
2014-10-21T06:12:11 < zyp> works rather well so far too
2014-10-21T06:12:27 < emeb_mac> usally has drawbacks in maintainability, portability, etc.
2014-10-21T06:12:35 < dongs> what the fuck is migen
2014-10-21T06:12:40 < zyp> this thing supports both xilinx ise and quartus
2014-10-21T06:12:49 < zyp> dongs, you wouldn't like it anyway, it's python based
2014-10-21T06:12:51 < dongs> Mar 12, 2013 - migen - A Python toolbox for building complex digital hardware.
2014-10-21T06:12:54 < dongs> HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
2014-10-21T06:12:55 < dongs> FUCK YOU
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2014-10-21T06:13:00 < emeb_mac> dongs: python->HDL
2014-10-21T06:13:05 < dongs> yeah, no fucking thanks
2014-10-21T06:13:25 < dongs> rage
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2014-10-21T06:13:55 < dongs> whoa
2014-10-21T06:13:56 < emeb_mac> zyp: both verilog and VHDL have drawbacks - verbose, lots of junk you don't need
2014-10-21T06:13:57 < zyp> emeb_mac, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/JV397 <- here's the hardware description (that I haven't finished yet)
2014-10-21T06:13:58 < dongs> i got this 0402 cap sample book
2014-10-21T06:14:02 < dongs> there are 10uF 0402 caps
2014-10-21T06:14:07 < englishman> nice
2014-10-21T06:14:17 < englishman> probably $$ or like 3v or some crap
2014-10-21T06:14:41 < zyp> emeb_mac, and that's almost everything required to build this thing
2014-10-21T06:14:48 < emeb_mac> zyp: nice
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2014-10-21T06:14:59 < dongs> englishman: so it would work just fine for vcore bypass on fpga/etc
2014-10-21T06:15:14 < yan_> anyone know if there are software implementations of common floating point funcs? i'm trying to raise a float to another float in an arm cortex m3
2014-10-21T06:15:18 < englishman> 10u?
2014-10-21T06:15:26 < englishman> i dono what they need
2014-10-21T06:16:10 < zyp> emeb_mac, just curious what you think of it, since you have way more experience than me
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2014-10-21T06:17:30 < emeb_mac> zyp: seems very compact - not a bad thing
2014-10-21T06:17:58 < zyp> http://migen.readthedocs.org/en/latest/bus.html <- I like the bus interconnect example in the documentation
2014-10-21T06:18:09 < upgrdman> i've seen MLCC's with the very small specs.... like 1uF 50V ... why use an MLCC for that kind of app over a regular ceramic?
2014-10-21T06:18:25 < emeb_mac> I'd probably never use it - I've got too much existing code & design patterns in the std languages
2014-10-21T06:18:31 < dongs> man
2014-10-21T06:19:04 < dongs> http://www.mouser.in/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=CC0402KRX7R9BB151virtualkey60120000virtualkey603-CC402KRX7R9BB151 was $16.50 from china
2014-10-21T06:19:29 < dongs> also. in? what the fuck
2014-10-21T06:19:45 < dongs> fuck mouser for changing country shit to wahtever link i click onit
2014-10-21T06:24:47 < akaWolf> zyp: our spec in vhdl talks, that it all frontend usefull only in small projects
2014-10-21T06:25:55 < akaWolf> I think, it will be sucks, when deal will be regarding something bigger then bus interface, that is simply counting reads and returning the count
2014-10-21T06:26:01 < zyp> I'm not so sure about that, migen actually seems to be designed specifically for larger projects
2014-10-21T06:26:32 < akaWolf> codegen is always correct?
2014-10-21T06:27:18 < akaWolf> how can I use a IP with that frontend?
2014-10-21T06:27:37 < zyp> you just wrap it
2014-10-21T06:27:47 < akaWolf> :)
2014-10-21T06:28:03 < zyp> http://migen.readthedocs.org/en/latest/fhdl.html#instances
2014-10-21T06:29:19 < akaWolf> mean of VHDL in clarity. when you wrote a command in HDL, you can exactly figure, how it will be in the FPGA cells
2014-10-21T06:29:33 < akaWolf> when you wrote a command in such frontend
2014-10-21T06:29:39 < akaWolf> what do you feel?
2014-10-21T06:29:46 < zyp> migen generates verilog, so you can still read the verilog if you want
2014-10-21T06:29:58 < akaWolf> and for what it's all?
2014-10-21T06:30:08 < akaWolf> for reading a verilog at end?
2014-10-21T06:30:16 < zyp> huh?
2014-10-21T06:31:02 < akaWolf> if I still need to read output verilog, why I need that codegen?
2014-10-21T06:31:13 < akaWolf> it's like a codegen for C/C++
2014-10-21T06:31:41 < akaWolf> nice, but...
2014-10-21T06:32:05 < zyp> I didn't say you needed to, I said you can
2014-10-21T06:32:23 < zyp> just like you can read the assembly your C/C++ compiler produces
2014-10-21T06:33:16 < akaWolf> think, it's not like assembly of C++, but like a codegen from diagrams to C++
2014-10-21T06:33:31 < dongs> it being python is basically a non-starter
2014-10-21T06:33:50 < zyp> akaWolf, I don't think the comparison is valid either way
2014-10-21T06:34:15 < akaWolf> zyp: maybe. fact is one: our profs don't use such things
2014-10-21T06:35:11 < zyp> also, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you now, it's 05:30 AM and I'm going to bed, good night
2014-10-21T06:35:23 < akaWolf> good night, zyp :)
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2014-10-21T06:54:10 < dongs> holy fuck
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2014-10-21T06:54:15 < dongs> 2812 shit is complete fucking shit
2014-10-21T06:54:20 < dongs> impossible to rework withotu fuckign it
2014-10-21T06:54:30 < dongs> went to try and fix one dead pixel on my macegr glasses, fucked like 10 others
2014-10-21T06:54:32 < dongs> damn
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2014-10-21T06:56:17 < upgrdman> hot air?
2014-10-21T06:56:59 < dongs> yea, but I tried with iron first
2014-10-21T06:57:03 < dongs> just soldering the shit down already ruined it
2014-10-21T06:57:15 < dongs> then i tried to hotair it back off and killed a bunch more around
2014-10-21T06:57:16 < dongs> fucking dumb
2014-10-21T06:57:17 < dongs> fuick
2014-10-21T06:57:50 < upgrdman> melted?
2014-10-21T06:58:14 < dongs> no they just stop working
2014-10-21T06:58:17 < dongs> i dont melt shit
2014-10-21T06:58:19 < upgrdman> :(
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2014-10-21T07:02:25 < dongs> i tihnk they can only be reworked with tweezer type iron tip
2014-10-21T07:02:33 < dongs> where you can melt both ends at once and pull quickly
2014-10-21T07:03:04 < dongs> Also, "your" board layout doesn't appear to have a WiFi antenna, unless it's on the bottom which again does not at all match the board shown in your video where you can clearly see the patch antenna on the top
2014-10-21T07:03:09 < dongs> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/755/542/8c278321923165d73b16ec4bc90a0bb4_large.JPG?1413526824
2014-10-21T07:03:15 < dongs> ?? isnt that a wifi antenna on lower right?
2014-10-21T07:03:38 < dongs> er lower left
2014-10-21T07:03:43 < dongs> fucking dickstarter pros
2014-10-21T07:08:01 < englishman> yes dongs its a wifi router
2014-10-21T07:08:20 < englishman> with openwrt or something
2014-10-21T07:10:44 < upgrdman> lol   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s58vVc1mDw&list=PLa_0rl-N6O8hLjyQOqRHXal1g677IxfjL#t=50
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2014-10-21T08:28:27 < dongs> 288W Black Music Sound Sensitive LED IR Controller 12V 24V 12A for RGB LED Strip
2014-10-21T08:28:31 < dongs> thats racist
2014-10-21T08:37:11 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/TefD1FP lol'd
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2014-10-21T09:28:11 < dongs>     /* If desired, switch off the unused RAM to lower consumption by the use of RAMON register.
2014-10-21T09:28:14 < dongs>        It can also be done in the application main() function. */
2014-10-21T09:28:15 < dongs> ramon register
2014-10-21T09:28:17 < dongs> haha
2014-10-21T09:28:59 < akaWolf> familiar name? )
2014-10-21T09:29:38 < dongs> hmmm
2014-10-21T09:29:43 < dongs> this is kinda messy
2014-10-21T09:29:53 < dongs> nrf51 shit in keil wants nrf51pack which isn't downloadable
2014-10-21T09:30:07 < akaWolf> m )
2014-10-21T09:30:28 < dongs> im running a ocuple months old version but I don't think thats a problem, that chip has been around for years
2014-10-21T09:30:44 < akaWolf> proprietary software
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2014-10-21T09:49:55 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/dd/chip/6874.htm wtf its supposed to be supported
2014-10-21T09:49:59 < dongs> why the fuck isnt it working
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2014-10-21T10:12:12 < dongs> hey huh
2014-10-21T10:12:20 < dongs> milandr stuff is in keil ;d
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2014-10-21T10:27:25 < akaWolf> dongs: yeah, I see
2014-10-21T10:27:32 < akaWolf> n
2014-10-21T10:30:30 < akaWolf> maybe someone know: will there be a STM32 with 512k RAM?
2014-10-21T10:31:27 < akaWolf> in the nearest few months
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2014-10-21T10:50:08 < dongs> sram is expensive better replcae by non-shit peripherals
2014-10-21T10:50:11 < dongs> unlike every other vendor
2014-10-21T10:50:20 < dongs> doent nxp or feescale have something with 512k ram?
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2014-10-21T10:54:27 < dongs> This device requires additional software from Nordic Semiconductor to be supported in Keil MDK. Please contact Nordic Semiconductor to obtain the nRF51 SDK.
2014-10-21T10:54:30 < dongs> hmm
2014-10-21T10:54:34 < dongs> i might have to install thier aids fucking sdk
2014-10-21T10:59:06 < akaWolf> dongs: i.e. connecting a external RAM is cheeper than in-device RAM?
2014-10-21T10:59:13 < dongs> yea
2014-10-21T10:59:47 < akaWolf> PIC32 MCU's have 512k RAM
2014-10-21T11:00:57 < dongs> but nobody uses dick32
2014-10-21T11:01:21 < dongs> their spi peripheral cant even DMA without adding space between bytes!
2014-10-21T11:01:24 < dongs> i mean what the fuck
2014-10-21T11:02:00 < akaWolf> don't go inside a PIC's so deep...
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2014-10-21T11:13:17 < akaWolf> dongs: -: size at board, free pins
2014-10-21T11:14:31 < dongs> akaWolf: what do you need half a meg of ram on mcu
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2014-10-21T11:16:42 < akaWolf> dongs: http://www.perco.ru/images/products/sistemy-kontrolya-dostupa/shema-sistemy-kontrolya-dostupa_atp.jpg
2014-10-21T11:17:01 < dongs> door lock?
2014-10-21T11:17:06 < dongs> surely you dont need that much ram on it :)
2014-10-21T11:17:16 < akaWolf> it's very rich system
2014-10-21T11:17:29 < akaWolf> cards store require many RAM
2014-10-21T11:18:02 < akaWolf> info about another controllers in the web
2014-10-21T11:18:20 < akaWolf> and etc.
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2014-10-21T11:20:15 < dongs> akaWolf: http://dmitry.gr/images/board2.jpg
2014-10-21T11:20:17 < dongs> problem solved
2014-10-21T11:20:43 < akaWolf> dongs: too expensive
2014-10-21T11:21:15 < akaWolf> such controllers storing for a < $40
2014-10-21T11:21:27 < akaWolf> every $ is needed
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2014-10-21T11:48:01 < dongs> nice
2014-10-21T11:48:03 < dongs> i got nrf blinking
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2014-10-21T11:52:09 < scrts_w> dongs: have you seen eink displays with touchscreen?
2014-10-21T11:52:34 < dongs> wasnt really looking
2014-10-21T11:52:35 < dongs> why?"
2014-10-21T11:52:43 < scrts_w> just interested :)
2014-10-21T11:52:55 < scrts_w> I wonder if these are developed at all...
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2014-10-21T12:25:03 < karlp> who was showing off that super cheap spasnion eeprom the other day? I paid $2.49 for a 128 byte 24c01 yesterday :) the price of convenience...
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2014-10-21T12:42:48 < dongs> emeb i think
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2014-10-21T12:51:12 < dongs> zyp, does S110 shit in nrf51 take up some space, and has to be loaded separately?
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2014-10-21T12:54:36 < dongs> oh FUCK
2014-10-21T12:54:50 < dongs> nrfGO installs FUCKING LIBUSB
2014-10-21T12:55:01 < dongs> time to email these cunts
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2014-10-21T13:03:02 < dongs> well this shit doesnt do anything
2014-10-21T13:03:05 < dongs> what the hell
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2014-10-21T13:47:47 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/LiT/plain  looks like someone doesn't like me
2014-10-21T13:54:10  * karlp giggles
2014-10-21T13:54:21 < karlp> fan mail is the best :)
2014-10-21T13:56:16 < jpa-> yep :)
2014-10-21T13:56:30 < jpa-> what would i do without all the cocksuckings and facestabbings
2014-10-21T13:56:56 < karlp> man, sooda.dy.fi does _not_ google translate well at all
2014-10-21T13:58:42 < jpa-> he uses a lot of colloquial words
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2014-10-21T14:25:47 < scrts_w> that engrish was also nice
2014-10-21T14:25:48 < scrts_w> :)))
2014-10-21T14:29:15  * Laurenceb got Gonzalod
2014-10-21T14:29:32 < Laurenceb> fucking spic
2014-10-21T14:33:48 < rewolff1> Re:  dongs: their spi peripheral cant even DMA without adding space between bytes!
2014-10-21T14:33:48 < rewolff1> Is this "without space" DMA possible on STM32? I haven't tried yet, but if not possible I wouldn't have to try....
2014-10-21T14:35:38 < jpa-> what does that mean?
2014-10-21T14:38:13 < PeterM> im trying to work out why this is supposedly limited to 5v vout http://www.richtek.com/download_ds.jsp?s=527
2014-10-21T14:38:25 < PeterM> i have no clue why
2014-10-21T14:39:46 < karlp> vcc or vout?
2014-10-21T14:41:05 < jpa-> who says it is limited?
2014-10-21T14:41:09 < karlp> the vcc 5.5V is for the vcc pin, not vout...
2014-10-21T14:43:22 < PeterM> richtek say its imiited in their parametric search but i dont see why
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2014-10-21T14:44:16 < PeterM> http://www.richtek.com/parametric_search/main.view?psType=RT_PRODUCT_BUCK_DCDC_CONT&pos=22
2014-10-21T14:46:25 < jpa-> probably mistake
2014-10-21T14:48:09 < PeterM> also, in list of "absolute maximum ratings" it says "Input/Output Voltage------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 0.3V to 7V"
2014-10-21T14:48:30 < PeterM> does that mean voltage idfferential between input and output? if so, i dont see why either?
2014-10-21T14:48:45 < jpa-> the output voltage doesn't even go to any pin on the chip
2014-10-21T14:49:08 < jpa-> i would say it just means that if you mess up the feedback resistors and apply more than 7V to FB, it has the permission to burn
2014-10-21T14:49:50 < PeterM> well then wouldnt yu just rate the feedback pin to max voltage xyz?
2014-10-21T14:50:03 < PeterM> i dont fucking geddit
2014-10-21T14:51:06 < jpa-> bad datasheets
2014-10-21T14:52:16 < PeterM> fuuuuuuu
2014-10-21T14:57:22 < dongs> richtek is quality stuff bros
2014-10-21T14:57:26 < dongs> they're never wrong
2014-10-21T14:57:41 < Laurenceb> sounds like something for the 1%
2014-10-21T14:58:19 < Laurenceb> http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6211/6302902640_a96b405d71.jpg
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2014-10-21T14:59:24 < dongs> this fucking nrf shit
2014-10-21T14:59:26 < dongs> zyp: beeep :(
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2014-10-21T15:03:59 < PeterM> 1%? i dunno, they're pretty fuckin cheap http://www.digikey.com.au/product-search/en?x=0&y=0&lang=en&site=au&KeyWords=rt8110
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2014-10-21T15:33:36 < akaWolf> dongs: zyp is sleeping )
2014-10-21T15:43:53 < zyp> dongs, sup?
2014-10-21T15:44:24 < zyp> S110 takes like half the chip
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2014-10-21T15:50:22 < rewolff1> Re: RT8110B: input voltage comes on pin PHASE, input voltage +5. also on "boot" pin.
2014-10-21T15:56:34 < dongs> zyp: yeah i cant figure out how ot make it work
2014-10-21T15:56:49 < dongs> there's that nrfgo shit that lets me "flash" the S110 hex but then i cant flash my app??
2014-10-21T15:56:59 < zyp> why not?
2014-10-21T15:57:03 < dongs> i dunno?
2014-10-21T15:57:11 < dongs> im just building th eir examples
2014-10-21T15:57:19 < dongs> do examples automatically include s110?
2014-10-21T15:57:22 < dongs> or do I need to flash it first
2014-10-21T15:57:31 < zyp> you have to flash it first
2014-10-21T15:57:49 < zyp> s110 goes in the lower half of flash and your shit goes in the upper half
2014-10-21T15:58:16 < zyp> or maybe it was just lower quart
2014-10-21T15:58:20 < dongs> s110_nrf51822_7.1.0_softdevice.hex is it this?
2014-10-21T15:58:23 < zyp> yes
2014-10-21T15:58:24 < dongs> i think my app is lower part
2014-10-21T15:58:30 < dongs> that shit starts at 0x1000000 or soemthing
2014-10-21T15:58:31 < dongs> according to hex
2014-10-21T15:58:37 < dongs> app is built to start at 0x0
2014-10-21T15:58:40 < zyp> well, then you'll overwrite s110
2014-10-21T15:59:02 < zyp> which of the examples are you looking at?
2014-10-21T15:59:09 < dongs> any
2014-10-21T15:59:13 < zyp> are you looking at the actual btle examples?
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2014-10-21T15:59:37 < zyp> because the other examples that don't need s110 don't expect it to be present and places themselves in the lower end instead
2014-10-21T15:59:38 < dongs> like nrf51822\Board\pca10001\s110\ble_app_beacon
2014-10-21T15:59:47 < zyp> okay, that should be fine
2014-10-21T16:01:10 < dongs> well wtf then
2014-10-21T16:01:22 < dongs> so softdevice starts at 100000 right>
2014-10-21T16:01:22 < dongs> :020000040000FA
2014-10-21T16:01:23 < dongs> :10000000C0070000D1060000D1000000B1060000CA
2014-10-21T16:01:32 < dongs> ^ 1st line of hex
2014-10-21T16:03:11 < dongs> how did you get softdevice into it?
2014-10-21T16:03:46 < zyp> I just loaded the hex
2014-10-21T16:04:05 < dongs> with jlink shit?
2014-10-21T16:04:15 < zyp> actually, I converted the hex to an elf, then loaded it with gdb like I load any other elf
2014-10-21T16:04:22 < zyp> with jlink gdbserver
2014-10-21T16:04:25 < dongs> sigh
2014-10-21T16:04:43 < zyp> but that shouldn't be different from any other way of loading a hex
2014-10-21T16:05:06 < jadew> wait, you can convert hex back to elf?
2014-10-21T16:05:28 < zyp> of course you can, you can even convert bin back to elf
2014-10-21T16:06:01 < zyp> dongs, remember that the first «10» on that line is the byte count
2014-10-21T16:06:09 < jadew> I thought when you do elf => whatever you copy various sections and discard a lot of other data
2014-10-21T16:06:23 < zyp> jadew, sure
2014-10-21T16:06:38 < jadew> I guess the resulting elf will have none of the original info? not even the sections names, no?
2014-10-21T16:06:48 < zyp> and when you convert it back you get a plain elf without much metadata and just all the flash content in a single section of whatever name
2014-10-21T16:07:02 < jadew> I see
2014-10-21T16:08:20 < zyp> dongs, :10 0000 00 means load 0x10 bytes to address 0x0000
2014-10-21T16:09:15 < dongs> uhh
2014-10-21T16:09:21 < dongs> then why hte fuck is my app building at 0 laso
2014-10-21T16:09:21 < zyp> and the first part sets the address prefix to 0x0000
2014-10-21T16:09:22 < dongs> also
2014-10-21T16:09:25 < dongs> in their fucking examples
2014-10-21T16:09:31 < zyp> so 0x00000000 total
2014-10-21T16:09:39 < zyp> dunno
2014-10-21T16:10:50 < dongs> hm another example properly builds starting @ x16000
2014-10-21T16:10:57 < zyp> when I dicked around with that shit, the btle examples only had keil project dirs, not gnu stuff, so I wrote my own linker script for it that placed it after the softdevice
2014-10-21T16:10:58 < dongs> and that one seems to turn on led
2014-10-21T16:11:05 < dongs> yeah i bet
2014-10-21T16:11:11 < dongs> its the keil trash that doesnt evn work :p
2014-10-21T16:12:11 < dongs> well something is running
2014-10-21T16:12:19 < dongs> nrf beacon app cant find shit tho??
2014-10-21T16:12:57 < dongs> i dont even know what im doing tho
2014-10-21T16:13:01 < dongs> i mena if i need beacon or wat
2014-10-21T16:13:07 < dongs> i want my dildo to report when it was turned on/off
2014-10-21T16:13:11 < dongs> and battery level and shit
2014-10-21T16:13:17 < dongs> is that beacon? or i need some other shit
2014-10-21T16:15:54 < dongs> YAY phone sees something
2014-10-21T16:15:56 < dongs> Nordic_HRM
2014-10-21T16:19:35 < yan_> anyone know if arm-non-eabi-gcc has software support for most of the functions defined in math.h? i'm trying to use powf() on the stm stm32l1, but there is no software-emulated powf() support
2014-10-21T16:23:21 < paulfertser> yan_: -lm
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2014-10-21T16:55:07 < jpa-> and yes, newlib that comes with most arm-none-eabi-gcc packages does have full libm support
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2014-10-21T17:39:29 < synico> Where do I find documentation for things like "TIM_DMA_CC2"
2014-10-21T17:39:53 < synico> don't see it in the reference manual, datasheet, or in the examples/source for the periphlib
2014-10-21T17:50:55 < dongs> what is that
2014-10-21T17:56:32 < synico> one of the values that can be passed to TIM_DMACmd(TIM2, TIM_DMA_Update, ENABLE), etc
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2014-10-21T18:03:05 < yan_> paulfertser: tried that.. (-lm) , still not found
2014-10-21T18:03:17 < paulfertser> yan_: show your full make log please
2014-10-21T18:03:33 < yan_> paulfertser: will do when i get to it tonight :) it mostly said had issues linking to pow/powf
2014-10-21T18:04:27 < paulfertser> yan_: did you add -lm last to the linking command line?
2014-10-21T18:04:30 < paulfertser> Or first?
2014-10-21T18:05:13 < karlp> ahh, linkers
2014-10-21T18:05:57 < karlp> paul, where'd your caps go? I've gotten so used to see you nicely PaulFertser, seems so secretive and hiding in the corners now without the caps :)
2014-10-21T18:06:27 < zyp> dongs, found your package: http://i.imgur.com/TefD1FP.jpg
2014-10-21T18:06:38 < paulfertser> karlp: hehe. I have a very weird issue with my main "server". It's an old PC at my parents' and after the last upgrade, it goes to some strange sleep mode.
2014-10-21T18:06:47 < yan_> paulfertser: i'm not sure, i think i just added it to the end of CPPFLAGS
2014-10-21T18:07:00 < madist> why does dongs need a dildo ?
2014-10-21T18:07:04 < paulfertser> karlp: can't understand what's causing it, nothing in the log anywhere. Clocksource not ticking. Wakes up with a keypress.
2014-10-21T18:07:06 < dongs> zyp: i linked this already in here
2014-10-21T18:07:14 < dongs> 14:37 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/TefD1FP lol'd
2014-10-21T18:07:14 < dongs> 00:06 < zyp> dongs, found your package: http://i.imgur.com/TefD1FP.jpg
2014-10-21T18:07:15 < zyp> oh
2014-10-21T18:07:24 < paulfertser> yan_: should come after the object file that uses those functions, so probably that's what was wrong.
2014-10-21T18:08:54 < karlp> yan_: one day, unexpecedly, youð'll have problems with CPPFLAGS vs CXXFLAGS.
2014-10-21T18:09:12 < yan_> paulfertser: i just tried building it on my work computer and it compiled just fine. i'll investigate further tonight
2014-10-21T18:09:19 < yan_> karlp: i'd use CFLAGS but i was basing it on libopencm3 template
2014-10-21T18:09:49 < karlp> which template?
2014-10-21T18:10:07 < yan_> karlp: don't remember, i think i was basing it on flags defined in the makefiles in libopencm3
2014-10-21T18:10:24 < karlp> CPPFLAGS are for C PreProcessor flags, that's all,
2014-10-21T18:10:43 < karlp> and you need -lm in your LDFLAGS anyway, wont' do any good in C flags of any sort
2014-10-21T18:10:55 < yan_> karlp: ah haha. i always assumed it was a c++ vestige.. i literally had this thought for over a decade heh
2014-10-21T18:11:06 < karlp> CXXFLAGS are for c++
2014-10-21T18:11:18 < yan_> yes yes, now in retrospect it makes more sense
2014-10-21T18:12:51 < karlp> which libopencm3 template are you referring to? the only place tht uses CPPFLAGS is example/MAkefile.rules, which explicitly says it's for "C & C++ preprocessor common flags"
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2014-10-21T18:33:07 < Laurenceb> anyone ordered from shitstudio recently?
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2014-10-21T18:33:21 < Laurenceb> im wondering if they still mark boards that passed e-test
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2014-10-21T18:41:36 < ubuntu__2> Anyone has experience with defining the interrupt vector table in assembly?
2014-10-21T18:42:07 < yan_> ubuntu__2: what about it?
2014-10-21T18:46:15 < dongs> http://www.duncanamps.com/psud2/ lol
2014-10-21T18:46:35 < dongs> Laurenceb: they mark evne those that didnt pass
2014-10-21T18:46:43 < dongs> so you get to guess
2014-10-21T18:46:46 < Laurenceb> lolz
2014-10-21T18:46:53 < Laurenceb> i have unmakred boards
2014-10-21T18:47:03 < Laurenceb> but i can see e-test marks
2014-10-21T18:47:17 < Laurenceb> someone wrote a 5 and a 3 on the label
2014-10-21T18:47:26 < Laurenceb> i hope it doesnt mean only 3 passed
2014-10-21T18:47:49 < dongs> lol
2014-10-21T18:48:08 < Laurenceb> does e-test stop once it detects a failure?
2014-10-21T18:48:19 < ubuntu__2> Should the IVT contain addresses to the ISRs or branch instructions to the ISRs?
2014-10-21T18:48:23 < dongs> in china, e-test never starts
2014-10-21T18:48:27 < Laurenceb> lol
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2014-10-21T18:50:26 < yan_> ubuntu__2: addresses. the first entry of the table needs to be where your stack is (i think), the rest are addresses
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2014-10-21T18:50:50 < yan_> ubuntu__2: the way it's generally implemented is with weak symbols and then the symbols themselves are defined in the same file as infinite loops
2014-10-21T18:50:57 < yan_> ubuntu__2: so the table itself has addresses
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2014-10-21T18:51:57 < yan_> ubuntu__2: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0552a/BABIFJFG.html , "The vector table contains the reset value of the stack pointer, and the start addresses, also called exception vectors, for all exception handlers"
2014-10-21T18:55:17 < karlp> ubuntu__2: note too, one of the selling points of arm cortex is that you don't need to do this in assembly at all.
2014-10-21T18:55:50 < yan_> ubuntu__2: yep, and most libraries define them as weak symbols, so all you need to do is define a non-static function with the same name, and you're good to go
2014-10-21T18:55:59 < Laurenceb> http://hackaday.com/2014/10/20/weightless-thing-for-oct-20-0100/#comments
2014-10-21T18:56:16 < Laurenceb> weightless more like upper class toff full
2014-10-21T18:56:43 < Laurenceb> messages are carried by serfs
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2014-10-21T18:58:47 < ubuntu__2> yan_: Why do I sometimes see the branch instruction in the IVT?
2014-10-21T18:59:11 < yan_> ubuntu__2: you're either looking at the section of code where the IVT is pointing to, or it's a coincdence that you're disassembling addresses
2014-10-21T19:01:58 < karlp> or, you're looking at old arm code. (pre cortex)
2014-10-21T19:02:38 < yan_> ubuntu__2: check this: https://github.com/uctools/stm32l1xx-template/blob/master/src/startup_stm32l1xx_md.s , notice how the table is defined on line 130 as just stack ptr + addresses, and one of the actual implementations is at 78
2014-10-21T19:04:10 < karlp> (that's an example using assembly, don't encourage people to use assembly for startup, there's no need)
2014-10-21T19:04:45 < yan_> karlp: it was the first thing i found on google, but yes, there's no requirement for the ISRs to be implemented in assembly
2014-10-21T19:05:02 < karlp> nor fo teh vector table, nor for startup code and reset handler.
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2014-10-21T19:05:36 < yan_> karlp: well startup code and reset handler are both plain ISRs. vector table just has to be correctly laid out in memory, it doesn't matter how you do it
2014-10-21T19:06:43 < yan_> it can be an struct { uint8_t *initial_stack; void(*vecTable[])(void); }
2014-10-21T19:11:28 < ubuntu__2> karlp: With the cortex, can we still use the branch instruction in the IVT?
2014-10-21T19:12:15 < karlp> did you read the link to arm's docs that you were given?
2014-10-21T19:13:38 < dongs> doesnt zyp have vector table in some C++ Shite
2014-10-21T19:15:08 < Steffanx> https://github.com/zyp/laks/blob/master/interrupt/interrupt.cpp nothing too special dongs
2014-10-21T19:16:32 < dongs> since when does he put stuff on shithub
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2014-10-21T19:22:11 < Steffanx> special non-github link for dongs: http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/interrupt/interrupt.cpp
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2014-10-21T19:30:54 < Laurenceb> Oscar Pistorius has been jailed as they couldn't find a way to put a tag on his ankle
2014-10-21T19:32:39 < Steffanx> because he has no lags, whahahahaah funny.
2014-10-21T19:32:47 < Steffanx> Hi Laurenceb how are you today?
2014-10-21T19:32:55 < Steffanx> *legs
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2014-10-21T19:41:03 < karlp> yan_: https://github.com/uctools/tiva-template/blob/master/src/startup_gcc.c in the same repo is a nicer example,
2014-10-21T19:41:16 < karlp> no idea why they used c for tiva and asm for stm32...
2014-10-21T19:41:21 < karlp> probably dependes where they ripped it from?
2014-10-21T19:41:46 < karlp> uses inline asm in the reset handler anyway, silly things.
2014-10-21T19:43:15 < karlp> lots of empty repos there too, weirdos
2014-10-21T19:45:31 < CipherWizard> STM32F103RC,  Why am I getting extra interrupts on the I2C2? The ISR is run but none of the bits are set.
2014-10-21T19:49:01 < upgrdman> lol   http://www.mtv.com/news/1960294/dui-cop-car-sex/
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2014-10-21T19:58:22 < karlp> upgrdman: I'm still getting constant sears ads for drill presses on facebook thanks to you :)
2014-10-21T19:58:31 < upgrdman> lol
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2014-10-21T19:58:51 < upgrdman> fwiw, mine seems pretty good for the price
2014-10-21T20:00:11 < karlp> I wonder if sears even ships to iceland, or if someone in their advertising department just went, "spend it, spend it all!" and wrote a check to facebook and quit work
2014-10-21T20:01:19 < upgrdman> probably the latter
2014-10-21T20:03:52 < upgrdman> bought a cheap cross-side vise and "milled" some project boxes with my drill press. end results were better than expected.
2014-10-21T20:04:08 < upgrdman> nice square holes (ignoring the end mill radius)
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2014-10-21T20:11:55 < akaWolf> karlp: I used that startup in one project
2014-10-21T20:12:15 < akaWolf> for TI Stellaris MCU's
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2014-10-21T21:37:26 < _Sync_> ahaha dongs just read why you left #hackvana
2014-10-21T21:48:37 < Steffanx> Was it a good reason _Sync_?
2014-10-21T21:50:58 < _Sync_> it was just funneh
2014-10-21T21:51:50 < Steffanx> ok :P
2014-10-21T21:51:58 < englishman> copypasta? :)
2014-10-21T21:54:51 < Steffanx> i think it's this, but i could be wrong: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/n1xKrE52.html
2014-10-21T21:56:14 < Steffanx> but that was 4 days ago
2014-10-21T21:57:03 < Steffanx> Best joke of it all. Today: <hackvana> Where's dongs when you need him?  I confess I'm missing him.
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2014-10-21T22:01:16 < Steffanx> btw jpa-, you do smartarse comments on hackaday very often?
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2014-10-21T22:08:13 < jpa-> Steffanx: sometimes
2014-10-21T22:08:23 < jpa-> Steffanx: what have i done this time?
2014-10-21T22:09:12 < Steffanx> http://hackaday.com/2014/10/19/high-altitude-balloon-keeps-going/#comment-2020236 that mr jpa-
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2014-10-21T22:09:30 < jpa-> oh, i see why people hate me
2014-10-21T22:09:43 < jpa-> maybe i am a proud cocksucker after all
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2014-10-21T22:10:25 < Steffanx> nah, if people can't handle comments on the internet like that, they shouldn't be on the internet :D
2014-10-21T22:11:11 < englishman> wow lots of people in #hackvana vs #oshpark
2014-10-21T22:12:35 < Steffanx> Most of the talk in #oshpark is too technical for the average arduino inventor
2014-10-21T22:12:46 < englishman> you mean azonenberg rants?
2014-10-21T22:12:55 < Steffanx> for example
2014-10-21T22:13:17 < _Sync_>  Birds do not damage blades.
2014-10-21T22:13:18 < _Sync_> kek
2014-10-21T22:13:35 < Steffanx> I wonder how bad those "ringed" birds are.
2014-10-21T22:13:39 < _Sync_> http://aviationglossary.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/bash9000-page-15-image-0001.jpg
2014-10-21T22:13:43 < _Sync_> basically no damage!
2014-10-21T22:14:01 < Steffanx> Hmm, what kind of bird was that?
2014-10-21T22:15:13 < _Sync_> probably some geese
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2014-10-21T22:42:52 < kakeman> when debuging is there way to set safe pin states as program is suspended?
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2014-10-21T23:01:40 < zyp> in what sense?
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2014-10-21T23:07:40 < qyx_> your blades will be damages
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2014-10-21T23:19:19 < scummos> hi! I have a LPC4333 and I want to use USB. I use the lpcopen library; but calling the USB initialization routine fails (program execution stops at some point, probably a hard fault or so). UART printf debugging has revealed that as soon as one of the USB ENDPTCTRL registers is written, a subsequent read of any of the ENDPTCTRL registers will cause the fault.
2014-10-21T23:19:43 < scummos> I'm quite new in the microcontroller world and I am somewhat clueless on how to debug this further -- any tips?
2014-10-21T23:20:25 < scummos> I build with my own makefile because I don't really want to use any of the available IDEs
2014-10-21T23:22:54 < zyp> sounds like you might be trying to use the usb peripheral without turning it on first
2014-10-21T23:23:05 < zyp> i.e. enabling the clock
2014-10-21T23:25:39 < scummos> the library code turns on the PLL, USB base clock, and Phy
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2014-10-21T23:31:33 < zyp> ok
2014-10-21T23:31:42 < zyp> do the normal fault debugging stuff then
2014-10-21T23:31:57 < zyp> check SCB_CFSR to see which kind of fault you have
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2014-10-21T23:32:52 < TheSeven> anyone with SD/SDIO experience available? :)
2014-10-21T23:33:42 < TheSeven> I'm currently trying to implement a host controller driver for STM32F2 and the documentation both for that controller and for SD in general are largely ambiguous...
2014-10-21T23:34:48 < kakeman> If I operate buck converter with mcu outputs and debug it with sensitive load such as leds connected
2014-10-21T23:34:58 < zyp> TheSeven, I dicked around with it once, if that counts
2014-10-21T23:35:05 < kakeman> then when suspended output might stay in high state
2014-10-21T23:35:16 < kakeman> and frie loads
2014-10-21T23:36:02 < TheSeven> zyp: first a general question: who initiates read data transactions on the bus? does the host keep wiggling the clock until the card eventually sends a start bit?
2014-10-21T23:36:03 < Thorn> kakeman: pulldown resistor?
2014-10-21T23:36:28 < TheSeven> i.e. who controls the timing of that?
2014-10-21T23:36:37 < zyp> TheSeven, host sends a read command, then keeps wiggling the clock until data starts coming in over the data lines
2014-10-21T23:36:52 < zyp> I think I have some bus traces somewhere, hang on
2014-10-21T23:37:04 < Thorn> TheSeven: seen this? http://elm-chan.org/docs/mmc/mmc_e.html
2014-10-21T23:37:12 < TheSeven> ok, so I guess it's mandatory to set up the data transfer before starting the command transfer
2014-10-21T23:37:20 < TheSeven> Thorn: that site only handles SPI mode
2014-10-21T23:37:40 < scummos> (sorry, stupid network connection -- if anything was said, since my last message, I missed it)
2014-10-21T23:38:02 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/E89bM.png
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2014-10-21T23:38:17 < zyp> that's initialization, and probably a read
2014-10-21T23:38:58 < scummos> can I toggle GPIOs in the hard fault handler? to turn on a LED?
2014-10-21T23:39:14 < zyp> sure
2014-10-21T23:39:18 < scummos> ok, cool
2014-10-21T23:39:23 < TheSeven> ok... at which time do I have to send a CMD12 to stop a multiblock read transfer? what will the STM32 host controller do if it receives excess data?
2014-10-21T23:39:50 < TheSeven> should the CMD12 be enqueued by means of that WAITPEND bit?
2014-10-21T23:39:56 < zyp> uh, that I don't know, I think I only ever did single block transfers
2014-10-21T23:40:39 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/main.cpp?h=usb_msc <- my SDIO stuff is the first 150 lines or so of this
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2014-10-21T23:42:11 < TheSeven> zyp: interesting, you seem to be setting up the CMD17 command before the data transfer
2014-10-21T23:42:14 < zyp> right, I think the SDIO peripheral does it's own flow control on incoming data
2014-10-21T23:42:22 < TheSeven> I'm wondering if that might be a race condition
2014-10-21T23:42:36 < TheSeven> or if HW flow control / SD clock halting will take care of that
2014-10-21T23:42:53 < zyp> I think so, but don't quote me on it
2014-10-21T23:43:31 < TheSeven> hm, your code suggests that you have HW flow control disabled
2014-10-21T23:43:49 < TheSeven> the only two writes to CLKCR aren't enabling it
2014-10-21T23:44:32 < zyp> okay
2014-10-21T23:44:46 < TheSeven> so I guess that might just be lucky timing...
2014-10-21T23:45:01 < zyp> I haven't touched this in two years or so, so I can't say :p
2014-10-21T23:45:25 < zyp> that's entirely possible
2014-10-21T23:45:38 < zyp> I'm running pretty slow clock rates, so the cpu should easily keep up
2014-10-21T23:46:15  * TheSeven wonders if he should dare to rely on that behavior...
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2014-10-21T23:46:45 < TheSeven> ...or rather rework the SDIO layer to one huge combined command/data handler monster
2014-10-21T23:47:53 < zyp> do it asynchronously, my code was mostly a toy project :)
2014-10-21T23:52:08 < bvernoux> TheSeven: a good example of SDcard code is stm32cube
2014-10-21T23:52:18 < bvernoux> TheSeven: there is some nice stuff done in it
2014-10-21T23:53:24 < bvernoux> TheSeven: As even if  SDcard is like a standard (a bit closed an which needs payment for full spec) it has lot of trap and strange behaviour sometimes....
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2014-10-22T00:07:35 < TheSeven> bvernoux: you call that one good? o.0
2014-10-22T00:07:45 < TheSeven> the driver used by it is a huge mess
2014-10-22T00:07:49 < bvernoux> TheSeven: it is better than previous driver ;)
2014-10-22T00:08:12 < bvernoux> TheSeven: have you checked the latest stm32cube F4 ?
2014-10-22T00:08:15 < bvernoux> v1.4 ?
2014-10-22T00:08:34 < TheSeven> hm I'm looking at v1.3
2014-10-22T00:08:38 < bvernoux> he yes v1.3
2014-10-22T00:08:41 < bvernoux> the latest
2014-10-22T00:09:00 < bvernoux> the sd layer is not so bad even if i do not like some stuff in it
2014-10-22T00:09:10 < bvernoux> too much robustness ...
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2014-10-22T00:09:17 < TheSeven> it might be working, but the way how it's written is just hilarious
2014-10-22T00:09:43 < TheSeven> what is that _ll_sdmmc.c file good for, if _hal_sd.c accesses some registers directly, but not others?
2014-10-22T00:09:43 < bvernoux> anyway if you look on other code source it is even worse ;)
2014-10-22T00:10:00 < bvernoux> I have implemented a fully compliant SD driver too but it was at work and I cannot reuse it :(
2014-10-22T00:10:27 < bvernoux> TheSeven: the interesting part is DMA access
2014-10-22T00:10:40 < TheSeven> bvernoux: sounds like you might be able to clarify some aspects of the inner workings of that SD host controller core though :)
2014-10-22T00:10:42 < bvernoux> TheSeven: even if I would have loved DMA without IT, it is what I will do ...
2014-10-22T00:11:15 < bvernoux> the mmc stuff is higher layer
2014-10-22T00:11:20 < bvernoux> it is an other abstraction
2014-10-22T00:11:37 < bvernoux> stm32f4xx_hal_sd.c is just low level with an abstraction
2014-10-22T00:11:53 < bvernoux> it use directly (even if it is not clear) STM32 SD reg
2014-10-22T00:12:07 < TheSeven> and what's stm32f4xx_ll_mmc.c then?
2014-10-22T00:12:22 < TheSeven> basically some accessor functions for some registers, but not for all of them
2014-10-22T00:12:25 < bvernoux> yes ;)
2014-10-22T00:12:42 < bvernoux> I do not know why it is not in stm32f4xx_hal_sd.c
2014-10-22T00:12:48 < bvernoux> it should be ...
2014-10-22T00:14:35 < bvernoux> anyway those driver are really better than before or even NXP drivers ;)
2014-10-22T00:14:54 < bvernoux> but they will need a little bit more cleanup coherency ;)
2014-10-22T00:15:03 < bvernoux> and separate different mode in different files
2014-10-22T00:15:29 < bvernoux> as it is a bit mixed ;) but the documentation is not bad too and explain it
2014-10-22T00:16:10 < bvernoux> TheSeven: if you are interested how to use them I have added SPI support
2014-10-22T00:16:10 < bvernoux> https://github.com/bvernoux/hydrafw/tree/master/drv/stm32cube
2014-10-22T00:16:20 < bvernoux> in my own abstraction layer ;)
2014-10-22T00:16:23 < bvernoux> bsp_spi.c
2014-10-22T00:16:41 < bvernoux> I will add other mode i2c, uart, pwm ...
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2014-10-22T00:17:21 < TheSeven> bvernoux: I'm currently ripping out all of that BSP crap and reimplementing it from scratch in c++
2014-10-22T00:17:36 < bvernoux> in C++ a driver ...
2014-10-22T00:17:44 < TheSeven> why not?
2014-10-22T00:17:52 < bvernoux> I really doubt C++ add something for such low level things
2014-10-22T00:17:58 < TheSeven> it definitely does
2014-10-22T00:18:11 < bvernoux> becareful with GCC ARM ;)
2014-10-22T00:18:17 < bvernoux> it has lot of traps ;)
2014-10-22T00:18:35 < bvernoux> and more recent the version is more buggy it is, I imagine for C++ it is even worse
2014-10-22T00:18:38 < zyp> as always, bvernoux is full of shit
2014-10-22T00:18:55  * karlp grins
2014-10-22T00:18:58 < bvernoux> it is why with latest chibios trunk you rebuild it and GCC linker crash ;)
2014-10-22T00:19:08 < bvernoux> only old version works
2014-10-22T00:19:44 < bvernoux> also on new version with some options it remove some constant used ;)
2014-10-22T00:19:54 < bvernoux> and he thinks it is unused section ...
2014-10-22T00:19:54 < TheSeven> bvernoux: that's how my spi driver looks like as an example: http://paste.pm/ji4.c
2014-10-22T00:21:09 < bvernoux> TheSeven: it is just C encapsulation in a Class
2014-10-22T00:21:17 < bvernoux> but why not
2014-10-22T00:21:25 < TheSeven> yes, that's extremely useful
2014-10-22T00:21:35 < TheSeven> I'm not talking things like heap allocated objects here
2014-10-22T00:21:55 < zyp> it's not like you can't have heap allocated objects in C
2014-10-22T00:21:57 < TheSeven> but the parts of C++ where it is just more expressive than C and allows to abstract things properly
2014-10-22T00:21:58 < bvernoux> I prefer C++ for higher level anyway the code is same
2014-10-22T00:22:17 < TheSeven> this is where "real" C++ features come into play: http://paste.pm/ji5.h
2014-10-22T00:22:32 < bvernoux> with Template it could be interesting
2014-10-22T00:22:37 < TheSeven> http://paste.pm/ji6.c
2014-10-22T00:22:40 < bvernoux> but Template are just awfull ;)
2014-10-22T00:23:02 < bvernoux> at end it is ultra hard to follow what code will be generated on some complex Template
2014-10-22T00:23:48 < TheSeven> in the end it allows writing code like this simple example: http://paste.pm/ji7.c
2014-10-22T00:23:50 < zyp> TheSeven, you're not concerned about inlining?
2014-10-22T00:24:22 < zyp> I also write C++, but I tend to write it in a way that stuff can be inlined
2014-10-22T00:24:24 < TheSeven> zyp: about what in particular? the compilation result (with -flto) looked reasonably good
2014-10-22T00:24:34 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-22T00:25:01 < zyp> I also started on my code before LTO became popular :p
2014-10-22T00:25:08 < TheSeven> I've even seen it inline too much... when I target e.g. an F030F4P6 I need to watch code size ;)
2014-10-22T00:26:11 < zyp> heh
2014-10-22T00:27:27 < TheSeven> kinda nasty that the hw init code (clocks etc.) alone takes up about 10% of the flash space
2014-10-22T00:27:52 < zyp> how much in actual size is that?
2014-10-22T00:27:58 < TheSeven> ~1.5K or so
2014-10-22T00:28:01 < TheSeven> part of that is due to memcpy and a 32-bit integer divider being pulled in though
2014-10-22T00:28:31 < TheSeven> and I think also the GPIO driver
2014-10-22T00:28:56 < zyp> my GPIO code is written for complete inlining
2014-10-22T00:29:25 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/gpio/gpio.h
2014-10-22T00:30:35 < TheSeven> that sadly doesn't seem to play nice in my case
2014-10-22T00:31:45 < TheSeven> once you pass GPIO objects as instances of an abstract base class into some other class, gcc will lose track of where those calls actually end up
2014-10-22T00:32:30 < zyp> yeah, but I usually don't do that
2014-10-22T00:33:09 < TheSeven> that's one of the reasons why I decided to not define individual pins as GPIO objects, but have some kind of central GPIO manager class, and just hand the pin numbers around
2014-10-22T00:33:55 < zyp> I decided that having peripheral drivers caring about the IO pins they are using is going to turn into a mess to map everything right, so instead I removed the responsibility from the peripheral drivers
2014-10-22T00:34:00 < TheSeven> that central GPIO manager class still has to keep track of who actually handles that pin (I've written it in a way that would allow for seamless/transparent integration of external I/O expanders), which screws up inlining
2014-10-22T00:34:14 < TheSeven> I have both
2014-10-22T00:34:29 < zyp> so all my peripheral drivers just assume that the clocks and IOs are already set up appropriately by the user
2014-10-22T00:34:33 < TheSeven> I have a central GPIO map that defines the initial pin config, and gets applied during bootup
2014-10-22T00:35:02 < TheSeven> and then just hand gpio pin objects around to things that need to set their output levels
2014-10-22T00:35:07 < TheSeven> e.g. bitbanging SPI CS
2014-10-22T00:35:08 < karlp> heh, I hadn't thoguht of that, using the i2c in video to be a general i2c dongle: http://www.instructables.com/id/Worlds-Cheapest-I2C-I-Squared-C-Adapter/?ALLSTEPS
2014-10-22T00:37:13 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/KLP5K <- and when I'm lazy I do silly stuff like this
2014-10-22T00:37:48 < TheSeven> heh
2014-10-22T00:37:53 < TheSeven> "Pin::High" is kinda ambiguous :)
2014-10-22T00:38:08 < zyp> that's what it's called in the datasheet
2014-10-22T00:38:29 < TheSeven> yeah, but could also be considered a level ;)
2014-10-22T00:38:49 < TheSeven> http://paste.pm/ji8.h
2014-10-22T00:39:11 < TheSeven> preprocessor hell ;)
2014-10-22T00:39:53 < zyp> I like controlling the order I configure the outputs in too
2014-10-22T00:40:17 < zyp> sequence matters for some stuff
2014-10-22T00:40:57 < TheSeven> well, those have to be configured manually with my code
2014-10-22T00:41:17 < TheSeven> (they can safely be defined as inputs in that pin map - that's what they're before the pin map is applied anyway
2014-10-22T00:41:49 < TheSeven> http://paste.pm/ji9.cpp << this is applying the setings in a rather efficient way ;)
2014-10-22T00:41:51 < zyp> I've been thinking about making a unified configure() method on my pin objects, that takes all sorts of options and map it out
2014-10-22T00:42:10 < zyp> because the set_type() vs set_mode() vs set_speed() stuff all maps differently between different chips
2014-10-22T00:43:02 < TheSeven> does it? seems to be identical from f030 to f439, maybe excluding some of the newer (l-series?) chips
2014-10-22T00:43:09 < zyp> I'm thinking larger
2014-10-22T00:43:13 < zyp> like different vendors ;)
2014-10-22T00:43:25 < TheSeven> oh, at that level there will be different drivers anyway
2014-10-22T00:43:38 < zyp> yes, but I want a consistent API for the basic stuff
2014-10-22T00:44:06 < TheSeven> yes, I have a consistent API for Level, Mode, Type, Pull and Special Function
2014-10-22T00:44:28 < TheSeven> extra stuff like drive strength is added in a device specific way, and is generally just configured once in that big init table
2014-10-22T00:45:05 < TheSeven> and in fact I have such a general configure() function, which just calls the individual setters on the underlying driver
2014-10-22T00:45:16 < TheSeven> not really designed to be efficient, but rather convenient
2014-10-22T00:45:57 < zyp> yeah, that's what I mean
2014-10-22T00:46:27 < TheSeven> http://paste.pm/jia.h << that's where the heavy lifting is ;)
2014-10-22T00:46:46 < zyp> convenient in the sense of «I want this pin to be a opendrain output and I don't remember if opendrain is considered a type or a mode»
2014-10-22T00:47:04 < Steffanx> stop doing this preprocessor crap TheSeven :P
2014-10-22T00:47:13 < zyp> heh
2014-10-22T00:47:21 < zyp> you should see my usb descriptor stuff
2014-10-22T00:47:24 < TheSeven> Steffanx: I'm not going to spell out that huge thing for each port :P
2014-10-22T00:47:51 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/descriptor.h
2014-10-22T00:48:31 < TheSeven> that's the generic part of my GPIO interface: http://paste.pm/jib.c
2014-10-22T00:48:45 < TheSeven> http://paste.pm/jic.c
2014-10-22T00:50:12  * TheSeven tries to imagine how that USB descriptor code would look like without C++11 :P
2014-10-22T00:50:41 < zyp> I'm waiting for C++14 so I can simplify some of the return type declarations
2014-10-22T00:50:53 < zyp> i.e. the declspec stuff
2014-10-22T00:51:33 < zyp> decltype I mean
2014-10-22T00:51:46 < zyp> with C++14 the compiler will be able to infer the return type from the return statement, which means I don't need the decltype stuff
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2014-10-22T01:39:55 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/142464853/hendo-hoverboards-worlds-first-real-hoverboard
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2014-10-22T01:42:20 < karlp> heh, that was just pasted in another hcannel here
2014-10-22T01:42:51 < GargantuaSauce> i wonder how hot the surface gets
2014-10-22T01:44:40 < _Sync_> "our technology"
2014-10-22T01:44:45 < _Sync_> induction
2014-10-22T01:44:46 < _Sync_> wow.
2014-10-22T01:44:55 < _Sync_>              such innovation
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2014-10-22T02:04:56 < Laurenceb_> its ripped from a phd thesis published by someone at university of waterloo
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2014-10-22T02:06:42 < GargantuaSauce> probably a scam anyway
2014-10-22T02:07:10 < BrainDamage> link since I missed context?
2014-10-22T02:07:16 < GargantuaSauce> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/142464853/hendo-hoverboards-worlds-first-real-hoverboard
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2014-10-22T02:15:37 < englishman> The fact its on kickstarter really ruins its credibility
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2014-10-22T02:27:01 < Thorn> wth is U2F http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2014/10/strengthening-2-step-verification-with.html
2014-10-22T02:31:35 < gxti> the illuminati use it to spy on you and disperse ebola if you question the government
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2014-10-22T02:39:01 < Thorn> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=FIDO%20U2F%20Security%20Key
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2014-10-22T03:04:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/RPvg27T.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XMGXx8G.jpg http://i.imgur.com/f8ZGyi2.jpg
2014-10-22T03:04:14 < dongs> lol
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2014-10-22T03:13:22 < dongs> is that hoverboard shit a troll?
2014-10-22T03:13:27 < dongs> you have to be over metal surface for it to work or wat?
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2014-10-22T03:16:25 < GargantuaSauce> yeah needs a copper surface
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2014-10-22T04:56:17 < emeb_mac> dong suppers
2014-10-22T04:56:42 < emeb_mac> how'd that go?
2014-10-22T05:02:00 < emeb_mac> dunno - I've only played with the esp8266 thing
2014-10-22T05:03:22 < emeb_mac> you need something that can pass cert?
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2014-10-22T05:34:57 < emeb_mac> planning volume production?
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2014-10-22T05:53:02 < karlp> fucking eeprom, claims it's i2c address pins can be left floating, doesn't actually work like that.
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2014-10-22T06:08:00 < ds2> just keep the customers floating
2014-10-22T06:08:27 < dongs> lol: side view of panasonic 4k camera:  http://i.imgur.com/ChhYzWM.jpg
2014-10-22T06:09:24 < dongs> haha $5k
2014-10-22T06:09:46 < dongs> waste of money
2014-10-22T06:10:22 < dongs> i dont know
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2014-10-22T06:17:52 < GargantuaSauce> why do you even need a $2500 cpu
2014-10-22T06:17:59 < GargantuaSauce> everything is io bound these days anyway
2014-10-22T06:20:27 < GargantuaSauce> if the cpu is actually the bottleneck i guess...but seems to me that is pretty uncommon
2014-10-22T06:22:06 < englishman> save your money for moar ram, you're gonna need it with prices these days, and with chrome alone using 16gb you need it
2014-10-22T06:23:13 < englishman> dont u need 2 cards
2014-10-22T06:23:43 < englishman> sli or xfire or whatever
2014-10-22T06:24:02 < englishman> with sli port
2014-10-22T06:24:04 < englishman> so get 2
2014-10-22T06:24:24 < englishman> it has the port, must be good for somethung
2014-10-22T06:24:27 < englishman> get 2
2014-10-22T06:24:32 < GargantuaSauce> go for maxwell i think
2014-10-22T06:24:45 < GargantuaSauce> 900 series
2014-10-22T06:24:48 < GargantuaSauce> newer architecture
2014-10-22T06:25:43 < englishman> 4k on only 1 monitor?
2014-10-22T06:26:23 < englishman> quake 2 has great fps
2014-10-22T06:27:00 < englishman> anything newer is for noobs
2014-10-22T06:27:23 < englishman> how is arma3, i played some 2
2014-10-22T06:28:03 < englishman> i played that zombie addon which was terrrrrrrible
2014-10-22T06:29:18 < englishman> i remember that
2014-10-22T06:30:07 < englishman> heh
2014-10-22T06:30:15 < englishman> i liked warthog
2014-10-22T06:30:28 < englishman> got yoke etc?
2014-10-22T06:31:09 < GargantuaSauce> i played the a-10 one and god damn
2014-10-22T06:31:12 < GargantuaSauce> too many buttons
2014-10-22T06:31:13 < karlp> well, this chinese driver code is _terrrrible_ but I've got sort of working i2c eeprom reading over this ch341 usb-i2c/spi/blah dongle.
2014-10-22T06:31:31 < karlp> problems with stop bits, but reading this spaghettis is terrible
2014-10-22T06:32:10 < englishman> only one???
2014-10-22T06:32:30 < englishman> i think it's amazing that youd even consider something as dumb as that
2014-10-22T06:32:42 < englishman> but i know people who have spent more on rear spoilers for their car so whatever
2014-10-22T06:32:47 < GargantuaSauce> heat, cost effectiveness
2014-10-22T06:33:07 < gxti> i spent 'only' $550 on a video card for the lulz, and it still feels excessive.
2014-10-22T06:33:14 < karlp> R2COM: ch341, chinese usb-uart/i2c/spi/printer shitz
2014-10-22T06:33:49 < karlp> yep :)
2014-10-22T06:34:05 < karlp> less.
2014-10-22T06:34:20 < GargantuaSauce> if you get two 980s it will be half the price, much less power/heat, about the same performance
2014-10-22T06:34:34 < karlp> I'm not buying these chips to use them as i2c tools
2014-10-22T06:34:46 < karlp> I'm getting i2c to work to help work out the docs for the chip.
2014-10-22T06:34:58 < gxti> then i almost bought a second one to SLI but i remembered my motherboard doesn't support it, and can't be arsed to upgrade all the other shit just for more fps i don't need
2014-10-22T06:35:06 < karlp> LA has finally been coming in handy :)
2014-10-22T06:35:56 < gxti> dunno
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2014-10-22T06:38:07 < englishman> get that and donate the difference to starving russian children
2014-10-22T06:39:25 < englishman> russianness confirmed
2014-10-22T06:40:20 < englishman> im sure fixing that referendum cost a bundle
2014-10-22T06:46:51 < englishman> i think even that is newer than what i have
2014-10-22T06:46:53 < englishman> lemme check
2014-10-22T06:47:18 < englishman> HD6900
2014-10-22T06:47:46 < englishman> works with two 1080p and two retina panels
2014-10-22T06:49:33 < englishman> hmh yours is older
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2014-10-22T08:15:39 < upgrdman> anyone here knowledgeable about SIMD? it seems like most arch's do it by having the multiple pieces of data packed into one register (each datum is a *fraction* of a word) ... do they ever do it where each datum is a word? seems like that would be much more useful for signal processing, no?
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2014-10-22T08:19:07 < jpa-> upgrdman: what is the difference?
2014-10-22T08:19:17 < jpa-> upgrdman: SSE2 on x86 packs stuff into 128 bit registers
2014-10-22T08:19:32 < jpa-> so you can process 4 32-bit words or 16 8-bit bytes
2014-10-22T08:19:42 < upgrdman> oh. did not know. cool.
2014-10-22T08:19:56 < jpa-> so does arm neon
2014-10-22T08:20:05 < upgrdman> didn't even know a register could be >1 word.
2014-10-22T08:20:48 < jpa-> what is a word anyway?
2014-10-22T08:21:02 < upgrdman> well on a 32bit arch, 32bit. on a 64bit arch, 64bit
2014-10-22T08:21:05 < jpa-> it is 1 word of the SIMD engine.. SIMD stuff does not use the normal ALU
2014-10-22T08:21:18 < upgrdman> ok
2014-10-22T08:21:25 < jpa-> 32 bit processors have processed 64 or 80 bit floating point values for a long time now
2014-10-22T08:22:08 < upgrdman> hmmm true. my knowledge is woefully inadequate :(
2014-10-22T08:22:36 < jpa-> nah, you're learning
2014-10-22T08:23:44 < upgrdman> is "word" the correct identifier for the size of data a processor can generally process in one go?
2014-10-22T08:23:49 < zyp> cortex-m4f also have 64-bit float registers, it just can't do anything useful with it
2014-10-22T08:23:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/IYjBhGU.jpg
2014-10-22T08:24:02 < jpa-> zyp: huh, didn't know that
2014-10-22T08:24:18 < jpa-> upgrdman: kind of, but it varies a lot of how people use the word "word"
2014-10-22T08:24:41 < jpa-> upgrdman: in windows, word is 16 bits forever and dword is 32 bits :)
2014-10-22T08:24:50 < upgrdman> what the fuck. srsly?
2014-10-22T08:26:00 < zyp> jpa-, http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0439d/BEHDEEJE.html
2014-10-22T08:27:40 < zyp> I think the only instructions that can address the dual precision form are the ones that moves data in and out of them
2014-10-22T08:28:01 < jpa-> oh, just a view of the same registers
2014-10-22T08:28:24 < zyp> of course, there's only one set of registers
2014-10-22T08:28:43 < jpa-> F4 context switch is pretty heavy due to the fpu regs
2014-10-22T08:29:00 < jpa-> especially in nuttx, as it first stacks into interrupt stack and then has to memcpy() them over to thread stack
2014-10-22T08:29:38 < zyp> that's why I'm planning to be smart about it in laks
2014-10-22T08:29:49 < upgrdman> context switch occurs with interrupts, right? any other times?
2014-10-22T08:30:04 < zyp> detecting which threads are using the fpu, and only saving registers for threads that do
2014-10-22T08:30:24 < zyp> upgrdman, we're talking context switching between threads now
2014-10-22T08:30:34 < upgrdman> oh, rtos?
2014-10-22T08:30:54 < zyp> yes
2014-10-22T08:31:27 < zyp> just a switch from thread to handler mode doesn't necessitate saving fpu state
2014-10-22T08:32:15 < zyp> it has a mechanism where it can reserve room on the stack for it, but only actually saving the state if the interrupt handler calls a fpu instruction
2014-10-22T08:32:26 < jpa-> except if you are like me and use fpu in interrupts :)
2014-10-22T08:32:33 < jpa-> yeah
2014-10-22T08:33:02 < zyp> jpa-, but not all interrupts, right?
2014-10-22T08:33:06 < jpa-> true
2014-10-22T08:33:09 < zyp> so there's still some saving to it
2014-10-22T08:33:53 < zyp> and I guess it doesn't increase interrupt latency either? just moves it from interrupt entry to fpu call
2014-10-22T08:34:08 < jpa-> got nice speedups when i noticed that nuttx has configuration option to select between dumb byte-by-byte memcpy and a more optimized one
2014-10-22T08:34:12 < zyp> considering worst case is the same amount of data that needs to be saved
2014-10-22T08:34:31 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-22T08:35:08 < zyp> I wonder if a loop of vldr.64/vstr.64 is measurably faster than simply ldr/str for memcpy
2014-10-22T08:37:35 < jpa-> hard to say.. i would think the cpu should outrun the ram quite easily with just ldr str
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2014-10-22T08:45:30 < upgrdman> regarding WFE and SEV, what sends an event? an ISR? DMA?
2014-10-22T08:50:35 < jpa-> you can configure some wake-from-sleep sources to send events
2014-10-22T08:50:50 < jpa-> like EXTI or RTC
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2014-10-22T08:58:46 < upgrdman> ohhh
2014-10-22T08:59:15 < upgrdman> is current draw lower when using WFE/WFI?
2014-10-22T09:00:05 < jpa-> yes, depends on current sleep mode settings
2014-10-22T09:01:03 < upgrdman> and does WFI/WFE only stop "normal" code execution ( main() ) with all interrupts/timers/etc working as normal?
2014-10-22T09:08:43 < jpa-> depends on current sleep mode settings
2014-10-22T09:09:02 < jpa-> by default it only stops code execution until next interrupt
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2014-10-22T09:15:44 < upgrdman> k thanks.
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2014-10-22T09:29:48 < dongs> dumb question. if something is poked into resistive touchscreen, it stops working rihgt/
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2014-10-22T09:29:57 < dongs> as it thinks you're 'presing' at that point?
2014-10-22T09:35:23 < qyx_> probably
2014-10-22T09:36:19 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/255835476/1080pi-the-first-full-hd-lcd-add-on-for-raspberry oh look anti-innovations failed
2014-10-22T09:36:35 < dongs> so i can get at least 20k gbp for my shit.
2014-10-22T09:41:21 < dongs> https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/937416/files/20141017021415-steachgoals_final_style.jpg?1413537255
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2014-10-22T10:27:05 < akaWolf> dongs: yeah-yeah, we all don't understand, how maybe so stupid for paying for such "innovations"
2014-10-22T10:29:05 < akaWolf> but it's natural selection. let's him doing nonsenses
2014-10-22T10:29:55 < akaWolf> just forgot about that :)
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2014-10-22T12:21:40 < karlp> dongs: isn't that building that fell over ~a year old? those pictures look the same at least, unless it happened again of course .)
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2014-10-22T13:37:54 < Cyric> ./configure: line 4379: syntax error near unexpected token `USB,'
2014-10-22T13:37:54 < Cyric> ./configure: line 4379: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(USB, libusb-1.0 >= 1.0.0,,'
2014-10-22T13:38:16 < Cyric> any idea why i get this error while installing stlink?
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2014-10-22T13:42:01 < mervaka> ere
2014-10-22T13:45:14 < mervaka> am I not able to write twice to a flash halfword without getting shitted up? I'm trying to store nibble 'n' safely like 0xFF => 0xAF => 0xAn => 0x0n, clearing bits in sequence, storing a status nibble alongside.
2014-10-22T13:45:44 < mervaka> just getting PGERR thrown back at me :(
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2014-10-22T13:50:09 < dongs> Cyric: isnt it like obvious
2014-10-22T13:54:12 < Cyric> is missing that libusb
2014-10-22T13:54:18 < Cyric> but i have it installed
2014-10-22T13:54:44 < Cyric> ooh wait
2014-10-22T13:56:02 < Cyric> i am not sure if there actually is a syntax error too
2014-10-22T13:57:23 < Cyric> http://pastebin.com/bqnArAkf
2014-10-22T13:57:39 < Cyric> this is the part that creates problems
2014-10-22T13:59:16 < jpa-> try   bash ./configure   or something
2014-10-22T13:59:27 < dongs> configure shit is autogenerated
2014-10-22T13:59:30 < dongs> out of huge aids
2014-10-22T13:59:31 < jpa-> or use openocd anyway
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2014-10-22T14:00:22 < Cyric> this is ./configure
2014-10-22T14:08:30 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/0Bw4ojz.jpg retweet
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2014-10-22T14:09:40 < akaWolf> jpa-: why is gdb setting bp not in the while(1){}; cycle in the main() function, but in the somewhere else function?
2014-10-22T14:10:09 < akaWolf> i.e. "b main" setting bp not in the main()
2014-10-22T14:11:07 < jpa-> on optimized binaries on arm, gdb behaves silly sometimes
2014-10-22T14:11:15 < akaWolf> yeah
2014-10-22T14:11:28 < akaWolf> noticed that
2014-10-22T14:12:02 < akaWolf> it's all optimization stuff
2014-10-22T14:12:33 < PeterM> dongs: http://imgur.com/gallery/cMIx1UP
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2014-10-22T14:12:45 < PeterM> inb4 "old"
2014-10-22T14:15:37 < Cyric> i found this as solution.
2014-10-22T14:15:38 < Cyric>  Add ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS Env Var To Makefile.am
2014-10-22T14:15:38 < Cyric> ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS = -I /usr/share/aclocal
2014-10-22T14:16:00 < dongs> PeterM: new2me
2014-10-22T14:16:32 < PeterM> dongs: i assume it's everyday workwear over there.
2014-10-22T14:18:37 < dongs> pretty much
2014-10-22T14:20:17 < PeterM> helps you maintain correct posture throughout the day
2014-10-22T14:21:13 < Laurenceb> maintains correct diameter
2014-10-22T14:22:56 < mervaka> anyone? D:
2014-10-22T14:29:42 < karlp> urgh, bitbanging i2c using rts/cts lines. I guess that's one way to get some "free" "gpios"
2014-10-22T14:30:49 < mervaka> SPI into shift regs?
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2014-10-22T14:41:28 < Laurenceb> attn dongs:  http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200906c.brief.htm
2014-10-22T14:46:51 < dongs> what the fuck is that shit
2014-10-22T14:46:52 < dongs> tl;dr
2014-10-22T14:48:23 < akaWolf> c
2014-10-22T14:48:28 < akaWolf> cr*
2014-10-22T14:48:36 < akaWolf> ;)
2014-10-22T14:49:06 < Laurenceb> Hong Kong English-Language Newspaper Readers Have No Pubic Hair
2014-10-22T14:49:27 < dongs> Laurenceb: ys i see that, dont see where the problem is tho
2014-10-22T14:54:03 < Thorn> express-am6 maneuvers away from its tank http://f-picture.net/lfp/s017.radikal.ru/i442/1410/d1/2900a66ed80f.gif/htm
2014-10-22T14:55:22 < dongs> Thorn:
2014-10-22T14:55:22 < dongs> Thorn: 20:48 < akaWolf> ;)
2014-10-22T14:55:24 < dongs> err
2014-10-22T14:55:27 < dongs> Thorn: http://gfycat.com/ElegantSandyGoldfinch
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2014-10-22T15:00:14 < Thorn> wat
2014-10-22T15:00:51 < akaWolf> xD
2014-10-22T15:00:58 < akaWolf> dongs is lagging
2014-10-22T15:00:59 < Laurenceb> in post soviet russia, you spy on ON satellite
2014-10-22T15:08:52 < karlp> heh, chinese screenshot, captions in russian :)
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2014-10-22T15:27:37 < Thorn> why chinese
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2014-10-22T15:46:09 < karlp> chinese part, chinese datasheets, some russians collected some of the datasheets and software, then made screenshots explaining what the chinese buttons say, in russian :)
2014-10-22T15:46:29 < karlp> it's ok, the newest version of the same software has an option to switch to english these days.
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2014-10-22T16:05:06 < kakeman> russian datasheets ftw
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2014-10-22T17:00:36 < Steffanx> no raging from dongs about http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/21/pi-pads/ yet?
2014-10-22T17:06:20 < Guest15334> In the blinky example from the link in the title, what's the difference between the .hex and the .bin output file?
2014-10-22T17:08:24 < zyp> how the information is packed
2014-10-22T17:09:39 < Guest15334> Where can I find the file format for these extensions
2014-10-22T17:09:40 < Guest15334> ?
2014-10-22T17:10:06 < Thorn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_HEX
2014-10-22T17:10:11 < zyp> .bin is just the plain binary contents that you're supposed to write to the flash
2014-10-22T17:10:17 < zyp> and .hex is what Thorn linked to
2014-10-22T17:11:00 < zyp> .hex contains the same contents but in hexadecimal ascii, along with information about where in the flash it should be written
2014-10-22T17:11:54 < Guest15334> I see
2014-10-22T17:13:06 < Guest15334> Now looking at the makefile, I see the command is the same for producing both files.  Now I'm confused.
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2014-10-22T17:17:37 < Thorn> if you use gcc you generate an .elf first and then use objcopy to convert it to bin or hex
2014-10-22T17:18:08 < Thorn> (you should use elf directly if your debug adapter understands it)
2014-10-22T17:18:27 < zyp> yeah, modern tools often supports elf directly
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2014-10-22T17:20:38 < Guest15334> Thorn: so does this mean the blinky.bin and blinky.hex are exactly same file?
2014-10-22T17:20:52 < Thorn> no, but the payload is
2014-10-22T17:21:40 < Thorn> i.e. the same stuff goes into flash when you use either to program your chip
2014-10-22T17:25:07 < Thorn> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1275478&print=yes  http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1275481&print=yes
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2014-10-22T17:40:30 < Guest15334> Thorn: I see. Thanks
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2014-10-22T17:47:04 < kakeman> what kind of stuff dsp does?
2014-10-22T17:48:12 < karlp> processes ur signalz
2014-10-22T17:48:46 < Laurenceb> dick sex process
2014-10-22T17:49:58 < kakeman> pronz packing and unpacking
2014-10-22T17:50:08 < kakeman> rite?
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2014-10-22T17:53:46 < Thorn> multiply and add
2014-10-22T18:01:32 < Guest15334> How does the dsp connected to the dick work?
2014-10-22T18:01:52 < Thorn> realtime pr0n decoding
2014-10-22T18:06:11 < Laurenceb> www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOCD_T9Qqpc
2014-10-22T18:06:13 < Laurenceb> pmsl
2014-10-22T18:06:28 < Laurenceb> i need them to "protest" outside my house
2014-10-22T18:06:45 < Steffanx> Why? You have videos of them
2014-10-22T18:09:41 < kakeman> they are beasts
2014-10-22T18:10:32 < Laurenceb> Poes law
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2014-10-22T19:15:47 < Tectu> somebody please show me some 12-bit DAC that can do at least 300Msps
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2014-10-22T19:20:24 < Thorn> I think that kind of stuff is going to be export controlled
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2014-10-22T19:28:48 < Tectu> lol why?
2014-10-22T19:28:56 < Tectu> it's a freaking DAC, nothing fancy about it
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2014-10-22T19:32:33 < karlp> what do you even do with a dac like that? other than make a fancy func gen?
2014-10-22T19:39:59 < jpa-> he wants to upgrade his fancy func gen probably
2014-10-22T19:40:39 < jpa-> Tectu: http://www.evaluationengineering.com/articles/200912/dac-interleaving-in-ultra-high-speed-arbs.php
2014-10-22T19:40:57 < Tectu> I do indeed
2014-10-22T19:41:12 < Tectu> currentl solution uses a 10-bit DAC
2014-10-22T19:41:15 < Tectu> thanks you jpa
2014-10-22T19:42:02 < Tectu> fancy article
2014-10-22T19:44:09 < jpa-> digikey has many that fit your requirements, though
2014-10-22T19:45:26 < jpa-> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MAX5894EGK%2BD/MAX5894EGK%2BD-ND/1779208
2014-10-22T19:46:46 < Tectu> now, that is one hell of a DAC
2014-10-22T19:47:20 < jpa-> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AD9129BBCZ/AD9129BBCZ-ND/3821190   nah, this is a hell of a dac
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2014-10-22T19:47:59 < jpa-> direct RF out of a dac
2014-10-22T19:48:42 < Tectu> woah *__*
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2014-10-22T20:04:19 < madist> Only 91$ each.
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2014-10-22T21:14:59 < scummos> wow, nice DAC
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2014-10-22T21:21:46 < karlp> dongs, you might like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d93IUvRZTc
2014-10-22T21:21:50 < qyx_> lets kickstart super-pro hi-fi DAC from it
2014-10-22T21:21:55 < karlp> get it while it still says, "301+ views"
2014-10-22T21:23:57 < emeryth> qyx_: and an arduino shield
2014-10-22T21:24:02 < zyp> karlp, what the fuck am I looking at?
2014-10-22T21:24:26 < karlp> just some madness in a car.
2014-10-22T21:24:40 < zyp> I don't understand what's going on, please explain
2014-10-22T21:24:56 < karlp> there's no backstory yet, the paper is asking for more info if anyone does.
2014-10-22T21:25:21 < karlp> the video comes from teh building manager, http://www.visir.is/flips-car-in-parking-garage/article/2014141029556 is as much as I've got
2014-10-22T21:25:33 < karlp> (the icelandic version has no more info of use)
2014-10-22T21:26:04 < zyp> why is there half a minute missing?
2014-10-22T21:26:23 < karlp> probably to make it more exciting
2014-10-22T21:26:53 < zyp> seems to me like the driver leaves the car to go open the gate or whatever, and meanwhile another guy jumps into it and steals it?
2014-10-22T21:27:22 < zyp> hmm, I guess the skip is due to how the camera recording switches file at midnight or some bullshit
2014-10-22T21:28:18 < karlp> there's another skip when he dukes of hazard's it out of the window too
2014-10-22T21:28:23  * karlp shrugs
2014-10-22T21:29:59 < zyp> oh, right
2014-10-22T21:30:08 < zyp> looks like a car theft gone wrong
2014-10-22T21:32:26 < madist> how does it look like theft ? the first driver (female) drives through the gate
2014-10-22T21:32:40 < madist> the second driver tries to get the car back out
2014-10-22T21:32:44 < karlp> I doubt theft had anything to do with it, it just looks like alcohol and insanity
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2014-10-22T21:38:14 < zyp> my friend commented «that's a nice way to turn the car over so you could inspect it for rust»
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2014-10-22T23:43:15 < Guest24708> Something I'm confused about.  When the uC starts, it executes codes from the flash.  The flash is at 0x8000000. So I put my first instruction at that address?
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2014-10-23T00:11:06 < zyp> Guest24708, no
2014-10-23T00:11:17 < emeryth> Guest24708: no, the beginning of the flash should contain the interrupt vectors, beginning with the reset vector
2014-10-23T00:11:17 < zyp> you put the vector table at that address
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2014-10-23T00:11:24 < zyp> emeryth, wrong
2014-10-23T00:11:35 < zyp> first vector is initial stack pointer, reset is second
2014-10-23T00:11:39 < emeryth> oops
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2014-10-23T00:12:23 < emeryth> so that's why my programs never work!
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2014-10-23T00:12:36 < zyp> :)
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2014-10-23T00:46:57 < GargantuaSauce> >VGA
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2014-10-23T00:49:08 < dirty_d> do you guys know of any port of gerbl to stm32 or something similar?
2014-10-23T00:49:59 < Steffanx> what's gerbl dirty_d?
2014-10-23T00:51:01 < dirty_d> a g-code interpreter and machien controller that runs on avr
2014-10-23T00:51:36 < Steffanx> oh grbl :D
2014-10-23T00:51:52 < dirty_d> oh yea, oops
2014-10-23T00:52:08 < dirty_d> it seems like it would be pretty simple to port to stm32
2014-10-23T00:52:22 < dirty_d> seems like most of the code would be generic
2014-10-23T00:53:12 < dirty_d> the timing is done with two timer interrupts, so that would be no problem
2014-10-23T00:54:58 < dirty_d> ive been looking at linuxcnc, but its kinda rediculous considering a $1 microcontroller can do a better job
2014-10-23T00:55:47 < GargantuaSauce> check out smoothie
2014-10-23T00:55:55 < GargantuaSauce> probably easier to port
2014-10-23T00:55:58 < qyx_> try to do something practical without actual view
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2014-10-23T00:56:32 < dirty_d> qyx_, there is another related project for a gui
2014-10-23T00:57:02 < dirty_d> i do think its pretty silly to have the microcontroller parse g-code though
2014-10-23T00:57:08 < qyx_> and how are you going to put g-codes to that avr?
2014-10-23T00:57:10 < dirty_d> youre going to need a pc either way
2014-10-23T00:57:23 < qyx_> so wheres the point if it's not running standalone?
2014-10-23T00:57:26 < dirty_d> qyx_, the pc interfaces with the avr over serial and sends commands and gcode
2014-10-23T00:57:47 < dirty_d> qyx_, a pc cant always meet the timing requirements of driving stepper and servo motors
2014-10-23T00:57:52 < dirty_d> but a microcontroller easily can
2014-10-23T00:58:04 < qyx_> why?
2014-10-23T00:58:06 < englishman> isnt this the point of sd cards in printers, so you dont need a pc
2014-10-23T00:58:16 < dirty_d> qyx_, linux and windows arent realtime
2014-10-23T00:58:27 < qyx_> it's true that it requires realtime extensions in linux kernel
2014-10-23T00:58:28 < dirty_d> and even with preempt-rt/rtai, its not always good enough
2014-10-23T00:58:35 < qyx_> but never had any problem with "realtimity"
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2014-10-23T00:58:41 < dirty_d> some hardware configurations just wont work
2014-10-23T00:58:42 < qyx_> did you try it?
2014-10-23T00:58:55 < englishman> what's the problem you're trying to fix?
2014-10-23T00:58:57 < dirty_d> not yet
2014-10-23T00:59:01 < qyx_> so there you go
2014-10-23T00:59:06 < qyx_> it works (tm)
2014-10-23T00:59:12 < qyx_> i had similar thoughts
2014-10-23T00:59:18 < qyx_> but found no problem to fix as englishman says
2014-10-23T00:59:49 < dirty_d> but i like the idea of having a $15 microcontroller board handle the low level timing stuff, and a laptop running whatever os that i want to control it all
2014-10-23T01:00:01 < qyx_> actually i have dufferent kinds of problems like the UI which is like from 1990
2014-10-23T01:00:10 < qyx_> but you won't fix that with avr
2014-10-23T01:00:18 < dirty_d> otherwise i need to buy another pc with a parallel port, or buy a parallel port and leave it in the basement where its going to get ruined from the humidity
2014-10-23T01:00:20 < englishman> doesnt that basically describe most opensores cnc/3dprinter controllers, except they also have power stuff
2014-10-23T01:00:58 < qyx_> i would be more concerned with ruining my cnc
2014-10-23T01:01:51 < qyx_> also.. which cnc are you going to use with it?
2014-10-23T01:02:05 < dirty_d> i have a G0704 that i converted a couple years ago
2014-10-23T01:02:25 < dirty_d> sadly I havent made a damn thing with it
2014-10-23T01:03:46 < qyx_> you are going to need more than just $15 board for that
2014-10-23T01:04:22 < dirty_d> oh, its already all set up, i had it running with an old pc that died
2014-10-23T01:06:02 < dirty_d> i had all the stepper drivers mounted inside the case with sockets for the motor cables to plug into mounted on the back, it was nice.
2014-10-23T01:06:13 < dirty_d> I shouldnt have left it in the basement
2014-10-23T01:06:26 < dirty_d> really humid
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2014-10-23T01:19:07 < varesa> dirty_d: actually a lot of people do use linuxcnc with other timing hardware, except instead of an serial bus + micro they have FPGA cards that use the PCI bus. That way it is easy to implement different kinds of timing schemes for stepper driving/pwm generation/encoder reading/servo stuff/etc.
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2014-10-23T01:20:07 < dirty_d> are they expensive?
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2014-10-23T01:23:20 < varesa> dirty_d: something sub-$100, I don't remember
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2014-10-23T03:28:46 < dongs> sup innovators
2014-10-23T03:28:50 < dongs> jadew: http://i.imgur.com/ZggDRK2.jpg
2014-10-23T03:29:47 < zyp> new dildos?
2014-10-23T03:30:25 < baird_> dongs: Your kickstarter idea is kill. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/21/pi-pads/
2014-10-23T03:31:27 < dongs> baird_: that hasnt shipped yet and if its gonna use the DSI connector its gonna be like 720p max
2014-10-23T03:31:42 < dongs> wait waht
2014-10-23T03:31:43 < dongs> Upton was speaking during an on stage interview with TechCrunch.s John Biggs. He showed off the seven inch VGA capacitive touch panel that.s designed to be combined with a Pi to build what would be a rather chunky tablet, but a tablet nonetheless.
2014-10-23T03:31:47 < dongs> > vga
2014-10-23T03:31:49 < dongs> fuck off
2014-10-23T03:33:17 < dongs> zyp: new scope
2014-10-23T03:33:23 < zyp> same thing
2014-10-23T03:33:33 < gxti> 4k VGA
2014-10-23T03:33:37 < baird_> "I think it’s going to be an exciting product" -- someone's pretending to channel Steve Jobs
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2014-10-23T03:41:06 < GargantuaSauce> well he IS a guy who sold a ton of units of a product with way more hype than quality
2014-10-23T03:41:07 < englishman> do you think makers even know the difference
2014-10-23T03:41:16 < GargantuaSauce> there are definitely parallels there
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2014-10-23T05:25:29 < dongs> yes
2014-10-23T05:28:04 < dongs> maybe you can suggest  aidsfruit to do it
2014-10-23T05:28:07 < dongs> as a tax write off
2014-10-23T05:28:07 < dongs> for 2014
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2014-10-23T06:47:39 < dongs> you coudl buy a 5k scope instead
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2014-10-23T07:28:03 < dongs> R2COM: buy this instead http://droian.com/shop/item.php?it_id=1381814851
2014-10-23T07:29:15 < zyp> heh, I was thinking those cables were expensive
2014-10-23T07:29:29 < zyp> then I remembered it's won and won is almost worthless
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2014-10-23T07:34:14 < dongs> yeah thats like $8/cable i think
2014-10-23T07:34:28 < dongs> or less, actually krw>usd is taking a huge shit right now
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2014-10-23T07:39:42 < zyp> when I went to korea last year I just thought of it as yen with an extra zero
2014-10-23T07:49:44 < dongs> basically
2014-10-23T07:51:39 < Thorn> ftdi is apparently releasing a usb3 ic
2014-10-23T07:51:56 < dongs> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/23/sports/university-of-north-carolina-investigation-reveals-shadow-curriculum-to-help-athletes.html?_r=0
2014-10-23T07:51:59 < dongs> this is why america sucks
2014-10-23T07:52:05 < dongs> fuck college sports
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2014-10-23T08:24:28 < dongs> getting stoned
2014-10-23T08:24:37 < dongs> haha, R2 has a point
2014-10-23T08:26:29 < dongs> lorf
2014-10-23T08:26:33 < dongs> someone is trying to hax my sip phone
2014-10-23T08:26:37 < dongs> trying to dial a phone # in israel
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2014-10-23T08:36:12 < madist> I bet its dongs
2014-10-23T08:36:26 < madist> trying to hack your phone.
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2014-10-23T10:17:23 < jadew> dongs, nice
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2014-10-23T10:27:34 < dongs> here next week
2014-10-23T10:29:15 < dongs> it does come with 4 probes, so thats good: http://i.imgur.com/tcFRLPq.jpg
2014-10-23T10:36:53 < Thorn> how much in USD
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2014-10-23T10:40:20 < dongs> Thorn: http://www.ebay.com/itm/311124399872 this but i paid a bit less cuz i called them and bought it off ebay
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2014-10-23T11:02:44 < dongs> eout: 480 seconds]
2014-10-23T11:02:47 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gizmon/gizmon-ica6-want-to-make-the-ica-for-iphone-6?ref=category_location
2014-10-23T11:02:50 < dongs> dumb
2014-10-23T11:03:55 < dongs> wati wat
2014-10-23T11:03:59 < dongs> these fucks are like 80km away
2014-10-23T11:04:04 < dongs> i can drive there and punch them in the face
2014-10-23T11:04:10 < dongs> for makign this shit
2014-10-23T11:04:20 < emeryth> xD
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2014-10-23T11:07:17 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/54060271/easytouch-turn-your-world-into-a-touch-sensor?ref=category\
2014-10-23T11:07:20 < dongs> more dumb shit
2014-10-23T11:07:40 < emeryth> you're just jelaous you're not sleeping on piles of idiot money
2014-10-23T11:09:53 < PeterM> dongs: run a kickstarter to cover your legal fees, for beating the shit out of people who make dumbass kickstarters
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2014-10-23T11:27:15 < Thorn> http://lea.hamradio.si/~s53mv/navsats/analog.html
2014-10-23T11:35:53 < PaulFertser> dongs: (punching in the face) don't forget to take some pics please
2014-10-23T11:37:53 < emeryth> ...with your iphone 6
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2014-10-23T11:49:26 < dongs> PeterM: now thats an idea
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2014-10-23T11:52:52 < dongs> looking for enob of vynil. plz advise. attn emeb_mac and other audiophiles
2014-10-23T11:55:49 < PeterM> maybe 6?
2014-10-23T11:56:06 < dongs> thats tape.
2014-10-23T11:56:10 < dongs> everyone knows tape sux
2014-10-23T11:56:28 < PeterM> yeah but if your vynil is dirty shits noisy as fuck
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2014-10-23T12:20:01 < Thorn> enob = k*log(price)
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2014-10-23T12:27:54 < dongs> Whistl: A smartphone case that protects YOU
2014-10-23T12:27:55 < dongs> by LifeShel
2014-10-23T12:27:55 < dongs> Whistl is a smartphone case that aims to prevent sexual assault and violent crimes.
2014-10-23T12:31:06 < PeterM> dongs: hows that work? it got a defibtilator style circuit in it that kills the owner? that'd be useful.
2014-10-23T12:31:22 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1585372093/illumibowl-clip-on-toilet-night-light-motion-activ?ref=category
2014-10-23T12:31:32 < dongs> prevent violent crimes and sexual assault: dont fucking ask for it
2014-10-23T12:32:09 < PeterM> dongs: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/677635/sar.jpg
2014-10-23T12:32:19 < dongs> laff
2014-10-23T12:35:48 < gnomad> dongs: toilet bowl guy is going to become famous developing "as seen on TV" products.
2014-10-23T12:41:30 < PeterM> gnomad: this wouldnt be very good for the guy running the kickstarter; i mean if you think the sun already shines out your ass, why do you need an illuminated toilet?
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2014-10-23T12:51:57 < dongs> oh look
2014-10-23T12:51:59 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1405074346/flowpaw-learn-computer-coding-by-building-your-own?ref=category
2014-10-23T12:52:03 < dongs> not tarduino. already failed
2014-10-23T12:52:20 < Laurenceb__> quick shoot it down
2014-10-23T12:56:03 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/192069777/smoke-audio-a-smoke-detector-with-bluetooth-audio?ref=category
2014-10-23T12:56:07 < dongs> lol.
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2014-10-23T13:00:13 < emeryth> I just found out I have an STM32F072 that can't handle a 48MHz clock
2014-10-23T13:00:49 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/prabidh/making-my-blog-professional i can do this
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2014-10-23T13:02:54 < karlp> Thorn: that gps/glonass dude did an awful lot of discrete digital that seems like it woudl have been easy to do in software with a different cpu than the 68k he chose.
2014-10-23T13:05:50 < Thorn> hardware is noble, software is menial
2014-10-23T13:06:17 < karlp> heh
2014-10-23T13:06:30 < karlp> only a ham nut would think like that
2014-10-23T13:06:42 < karlp> but I guess that does explain lots of ham work :)
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2014-10-23T13:12:06 < PeterM> dongs: wtf that flowpaw thing: "learn computer coding by building your own gizmos" OR you could just learn to code on a computer without the shitty hardware like everyone before you
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2014-10-23T13:12:44 < GargantuaSauce> it's people like you that are holding back the maker revolution
2014-10-23T13:13:04 < PeterM> and that smoke audio thing... they must have been smokin a fair bit to think this had any practical uses.
2014-10-23T13:14:11 < PeterM> GargantuaSauce: no, no, im all for it, infact, i'll encourage the mto work on DIY mains powered stuff straight up, shits easy, only 2 wires right/
2014-10-23T13:14:40 < PeterM> doesnt even matter which one you put in where
2014-10-23T13:14:58 < GargantuaSauce> low frequency too, don't need to worry about signal quality
2014-10-23T13:16:18 < PeterM> yeah, and IEC says its within  the range of low voltage too, so no need to be cautious or anything
2014-10-23T13:16:27 < PeterM> perfect for putting shit together on a breadboard
2014-10-23T13:18:01 < PeterM> so safe that people even do this; http://englishrussia.com/images/vilkus/2.jpg
2014-10-23T13:20:54 < dongs> The PPI system also enables the TIMER
2014-10-23T13:20:55 < dongs> task/event features to generate periodic output and PWM signals to any GPIO. The
2014-10-23T13:21:53 < dongs> PeterM: holy shit that is amazing did i miss dickstarter for that thing
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2014-10-23T13:23:33 < PeterM> dongs: http://www.artlebedev.ru/everything/vilkus/
2014-10-23T13:24:00 < dongs> ah that guy
2014-10-23T13:24:04 < dongs> is a fucking hero
2014-10-23T13:24:42 < PeterM> the bottom one.... 10/10!
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2014-10-23T13:29:46 < dongs> soft-off with mcu
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2014-10-23T13:38:11 < PeterM> soft-off with mcu?
2014-10-23T13:39:09 < Thorn> you don't want the body to smolder
2014-10-23T13:42:06 < PeterM> thorn: nothing like a high electricity bill to be a downer on such a great suicide
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2014-10-23T13:46:41 < dongs> haha
2014-10-23T13:46:45 < dongs> or without mcu
2014-10-23T13:46:54 < dongs> like momentary on/off shit for my battery powered dildo
2014-10-23T13:46:55 < karlp> Thorn: he's not above using more modern cpus though: http://lea.hamradio.si/~s53mv/avnr/adesign.html
2014-10-23T13:47:07 < dongs> i see a bunch of schematics but they involve nand gates and shit
2014-10-23T13:47:09 < dongs> it cant be THAT hard
2014-10-23T13:49:29 < PeterM> dongs: does cap touch use much battery? make outside of dildo giant cap touch button.
2014-10-23T13:53:04 < karlp> ok, I finally found the dates on that gps/glonass, it was built 91/92, so that explains a lot of the hardware choices then
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2014-10-23T14:16:57 < karlp> hehe, two patches for ftdi on the same day, one implementing the work around for ftdi's windows drivers breaking clones,
2014-10-23T14:17:19 < karlp> and one presumably from ftdi (though a gmail.com address) adding the clone breaking behaviour intot he linux driver
2014-10-23T14:19:51 < emeryth> karlp: I'm pretty sure that linux one is a joke
2014-10-23T14:20:43 < karlp> you reckon he really went that far as a joke?
2014-10-23T14:21:17 < karlp> is russ dill someone I should know?
2014-10-23T14:21:32 < dongs> why the hell is dual pnp more expensiev than single
2014-10-23T14:21:35 < Steffanx> any link to the patch karlp?
2014-10-23T14:21:36 < dongs> its like less work in same space
2014-10-23T14:21:48 < dongs> Steffanx: you probably have to subscribe to nerds@lunix-kernel.org mailing list
2014-10-23T14:22:31 < Steffanx> Anyway, don't all ftdi chips have the possibility to change the vid/pid?
2014-10-23T14:22:45 < dongs> but then you lose the onyl reason to own ftdi
2014-10-23T14:22:52 < dongs> the dumb auto-0installing windows drivers
2014-10-23T14:22:55 < dongs> taht dont need signature
2014-10-23T14:22:57 < scummos> I have a LPC4333 with USB, which works, but only in full-speed mode, not high-speed. I did not set the "force full-speed" bit in the PORTSC1_D config register, so I would expect the device to connect as high-speed (and send the chrip sequence during the first reset, which it does not seem to do), right?
2014-10-23T14:23:16 < karlp> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/116767
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2014-10-23T14:24:54 < Steffanx> It maybe totally annoying for the end-user but for some reason i like ftdi now :)
2014-10-23T14:25:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tZdtlQS.jpg
2014-10-23T14:26:16 < dongs> wait does that code writes eeprom on every connect
2014-10-23T14:26:42 < karlp> doesn't matter, not going to get applied.
2014-10-23T14:26:50 < dongs> why not?
2014-10-23T14:26:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/p3qsQKF.gifv
2014-10-23T14:27:05 < karlp> here's the real code in the ftdi ones apparently: https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/525126731431038977/photo/1
2014-10-23T14:27:56 < Steffanx> Why is it not writing too eeprom in some never ending loop to wear out the eeprom?
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2014-10-23T14:28:45 < emeryth> Steffanx: because that could take years to do any damage?
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2014-10-23T14:30:45 < Steffanx> it's only specced for 10,000 cycles
2014-10-23T14:33:59 < emeryth> in practice it could go on much longer
2014-10-23T14:34:34 < Steffanx> yeah, but still, if you want to brick it, really brick it.
2014-10-23T14:36:04 < emeryth> I guess
2014-10-23T14:37:12 < emeryth> you should apply for a position at FTDI ;P
2014-10-23T14:37:48 < Steffanx> scotland is too cold and windy
2014-10-23T14:38:40 < dongs> nobody serious would use ftdi in any project anyway
2014-10-23T14:38:48 < dongs> shit is overpriced for a usb>serial converter
2014-10-23T14:39:18 < emeryth> nobody serious would buy an ipod anyway
2014-10-23T14:39:28 < dongs> and they dont
2014-10-23T14:39:29 < emeryth> shit is overpriced for an mp3 player anyway
2014-10-23T14:41:00 < Laurenceb> attn dongs   http://habitat.habhub.org/mobile-tracker/
2014-10-23T14:43:32 < Steffanx> it's all faked Laurenceb
2014-10-23T14:43:49 < Laurenceb> soundstage on mars
2014-10-23T14:43:54 < Steffanx> Greatest scandal in the world of habbing
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2014-10-23T14:47:31 < dongs> Laurenceb: thats pretty close to me
2014-10-23T14:47:40 < dongs> what rtlsdr shit do i use to pick it up
2014-10-23T14:47:43 < dongs> i probly need a huge antenna right
2014-10-23T14:47:56 < Laurenceb> its on 2m band
2014-10-23T14:47:57 < Laurenceb> aprs
2014-10-23T14:48:00 < dongs> o wait it passed me
2014-10-23T14:48:04 < dongs> ~300km away
2014-10-23T14:48:18 < Laurenceb> range is ~600km
2014-10-23T14:48:32 < Laurenceb>  Japan: 144.640 MHz
2014-10-23T14:48:39 < Laurenceb> http://info.aprs.net/index.php?title=Frequencies
2014-10-23T14:48:55 < Laurenceb> actually it will be 144.660MHz 1200 baud
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2014-10-23T15:21:14 < dongs> http://www.thepoke.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/3d.jpg attn Laurenceb
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2014-10-23T15:26:12 < dongs> http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/power/supervisors-voltage-monitors-sequencers/MAX16054.html
2014-10-23T15:26:15 < dongs> lol
2014-10-23T15:26:16 < dongs> well, i guess thats one way to do it
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2014-10-23T15:27:29 < Fleck> dongs: http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/3dfilm.asp
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2014-10-23T15:53:16 < dongs> Laurenceb: i dont hear shit
2014-10-23T15:53:21 < dongs> is it like once 10 minutes or osmethign
2014-10-23T15:53:50 < dongs> hm wait i see a blip
2014-10-23T15:54:03 < dongs> at 144.636
2014-10-23T15:54:10 < dongs> my shitty rtlsdr is probly unutned trash
2014-10-23T15:54:18 < Laurenceb> heh
2014-10-23T15:54:28 < Laurenceb> youd need a decent antenna at the range its at now
2014-10-23T15:54:32 < Laurenceb> its doing 130mph
2014-10-23T15:54:49 < Laurenceb> erm wtf
2014-10-23T15:54:52 < Laurenceb> no contact
2014-10-23T15:55:06 < dongs> i killed it
2014-10-23T15:55:10 < Laurenceb> oh habitat broke lol
2014-10-23T15:55:17 < Laurenceb> http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FM0XER-4&timerange=3600&tail=3600
2014-10-23T15:56:46 < dongs> i got somer blips but i wasnt in right freuqnecty to hear them
2014-10-23T15:56:52 < dongs> i got it recorded as baseband tho
2014-10-23T15:57:09 < dongs> just heard something
2014-10-23T15:57:16 < dongs> 2 blips
2014-10-23T15:57:17 < dongs> 3
2014-10-23T15:57:22 < dongs> probly not that thing?
2014-10-23T15:57:25 < dongs> some jap trolling.
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2014-10-23T16:00:55 < [7]> hm... my sd driver is getting ctimeout errors during the first command that has a response
2014-10-23T16:01:19 < [7]> I see the card's reponse on the bus (with a logic analyzer) though
2014-10-23T16:01:38 < Thorn> how is it possible to debug a 4.3GHz radar at home http://lea.hamradio.si/~s53mv/avnr/adesign.html
2014-10-23T16:02:46 < [7]> for some reason the response of the card (to cmd55) has both the crc error and expecting acmd flags set
2014-10-23T16:03:18 < [7]> but the host doesn't seem to see the response at all
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2014-10-23T17:32:05 < Claude> Thorn, by being a prof. dr working at a university ? http://antena.fe.uni-lj.si/clani.php?page=clani/vidmar.html
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2014-10-23T18:47:52 < Laurenceb> Subject: 	NAKED SCIENTIST TRAINING
2014-10-23T18:47:58 < Laurenceb> looks relevant to my interests
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2014-10-23T18:54:51 < Steffanx> Why you need  training? Aren't you naked in the lab in your basement all day long Laurenceb?
2014-10-23T18:55:34 < zyp> Steffanx, I am
2014-10-23T18:55:51 < Laurenceb> Supported by The Royal Academy of Engineering, the Naked Scientist is offering candidates an opportunity to join him
2014-10-23T18:55:52 < Steffanx> but you have a long beard to cover things up iirc
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2014-10-23T19:12:33 < dongs> http://napsterization.org/stories/archives/000770.html so this guy is basically bitching that he's a fat fuck
2014-10-23T19:17:05 < Steffanx> 2011 ..
2014-10-23T19:17:19 < Steffanx> would you ever buy a coat on ebay?
2014-10-23T19:18:43 < dongs> doesnt make it any less funny
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2014-10-23T19:22:54 < Steffanx> btw dongs, you heard they actually miss the guy called "dongs" in #hackvana?
2014-10-23T19:23:22 < dongs> that drama nest can go fuck itself
2014-10-23T19:24:26 < gxti> i guess they don't appreciate your subtle and unique blend of humour and shitposting
2014-10-23T19:24:39 < dongs> my departure wasn't even about that
2014-10-23T19:24:53 < Steffanx> it was total "serious" business that made him leave gxti :P
2014-10-23T19:24:55 < dongs> i left, i wasnt banned
2014-10-23T19:24:58 < dongs> yeah
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2014-10-23T19:25:39 < Steffanx> installed a new kernel with updated ftdi drivers yet, ubuntu__2?
2014-10-23T19:26:00 < dongs> snort
2014-10-23T19:26:21 < zyp> wow, you know it's bad when dongs leaves a channel without getting banned
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2014-10-23T19:27:19 < Steffanx> not really, i was wondering why he was there in the first place :D
2014-10-23T19:27:38 < gxti> he just wanted to hang out with real pcb pros so maybe he could learn something
2014-10-23T19:27:44 < dongs> I got a couple orders in but it took weeks+++ to get shit done and it w asnt that much cheaper htan my local place
2014-10-23T19:27:48 < dongs> and shitload more drama
2014-10-23T19:28:03 < Steffanx> Then he should join #oshpark for real pcb-raging ( and other raging )
2014-10-23T19:29:48 < ubuntu__2> If I want to port a demo project from the ST library (which use Windows based IDEs) to linux, which IDE should I be looking into?
2014-10-23T19:30:03 < dongs> wuat
2014-10-23T19:30:16 < dongs> how long did ittake you to come up with that question
2014-10-23T19:30:38 < dongs> what "windows IDE" does ST library require?
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2014-10-23T19:38:02 < dongs> SEOUL, South Korea â North Korea has announced that it will not accept any foreign tourists beginning Friday because of fear of the Ebola virus, three agencies that take tourists to the isolated country said on Thursday.
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2014-10-23T19:39:28 < zyp> shame
2014-10-23T19:39:38 < dongs> indeed
2014-10-23T19:39:45 < dongs> i drove over to the border last time i was tehre
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2014-10-23T19:40:02 < dongs> got pics somewehre in my phone
2014-10-23T19:40:56 < zyp> I saw ads for tours in the hotel I stayed at, but didn't really have enough time to even consider it
2014-10-23T19:42:09 < ubuntu__2> dongs: Well, the demos from St are all ported to Windows IDEs, like IAR, MDK_ARM, Tasking, etc
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2014-10-23T19:45:15 < dekar> dongs, seems like your "better" korea sees itself incapable when it comes to ebola
2014-10-23T19:46:50 < karlp> what was the movie where the north koreans just pulled out everyone's teeth? world war z or something?
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2014-10-23T19:47:28 < dongs> i dont recall world war z being THAT funny
2014-10-23T19:57:12 < Steffanx> karlp is right though
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2014-10-23T20:10:51 < [7]> hm
2014-10-23T20:11:07  * [7] is doing board bringup on the f205 platform right now
2014-10-23T20:11:21 < [7]> SWD seemed to work out of the box, which is good news ;)
2014-10-23T20:11:35 < [7]> I can read memory etc.
2014-10-23T20:11:38 < [7]> just not write it :/
2014-10-23T20:11:41 < [7]> ideas?
2014-10-23T20:11:55 < [7]> even trying to write to a clock gate register fails
2014-10-23T20:12:07 < [7]> gdb says "cannot access emmor at address 0x40013830"
2014-10-23T20:18:23 < Thorn> set mem inaccessible-by-default off or something like that
2014-10-23T20:20:35 < [7]> this doesn't happen with the discovery board, so it's likely not a pc-side problem
2014-10-23T20:21:21 < [7]> right now this is just a bare f205rct6 chip with just a few decoupling caps + 100nF on reset
2014-10-23T20:21:31 < [7]> no other external components
2014-10-23T20:21:56 < [7]> vdd tied to vdda and vbat, all at 3.0/3.3V
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2014-10-23T20:27:03 < jpa-> [7]: maybe cpu is in lockup/fault state if the flash is still empty.. try "monitor reset halt"
2014-10-23T20:27:14 < [7]> tried that already :/
2014-10-23T20:27:32 < jpa-> did it succeed in halting, though? (no errors in openocd output)
2014-10-23T20:27:42 < [7]> and yes, the chip is in factory state, no idea what the flash contents or fuse bits are
2014-10-23T20:28:00 < [7]> I'm not using openocd, but some stlink gdbserver thing
2014-10-23T20:28:18 < jpa-> ah, but that doesn't even understand "monitor reset halt" i think
2014-10-23T20:28:35 < [7]> i fixed that ages ago ;)
2014-10-23T20:28:41 < jpa-> ok :)
2014-10-23T20:28:56 < jpa-> i have sometimes had trouble programming empty chips through swd, but that has always been a failure to connect
2014-10-23T20:33:04 < [7]> how would I get openocd to talk to an st-link v2?
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2014-10-23T20:34:38 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/iMn/plain   i have these scripts for stm32l1
2014-10-23T20:35:06 < jpa-> stm32f2x_stlink.cfg  for you
2014-10-23T20:35:20 < jpa-> and stlink-v2.cfg
2014-10-23T20:36:57 < [7]> "Error: session's transport not selected"
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2014-10-23T20:37:43 < jpa-> what was your command line
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2014-10-23T20:38:38 < [7]> argh
2014-10-23T20:38:41 < [7]> missing the second -f
2014-10-23T20:39:11 < [7]> so that should listen on 3333 now?
2014-10-23T20:39:24 < jpa-> yes
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2014-10-23T20:40:09 < [7]> now that seems to work :)
2014-10-23T20:40:18 < [7]> weird way for st-util to fail...
2014-10-23T20:40:56 < jpa-> is your processor on discovery also f2?
2014-10-23T20:41:10 < [7]> f407
2014-10-23T20:41:27 < jpa-> maybe st-util has wrong memory map for f2
2014-10-23T20:42:45 < [7]> heh
2014-10-23T20:42:55 < [7]> ethernet mac registers on f205 actually respond :)
2014-10-23T20:42:59 < [7]> so my theory was right :)
2014-10-23T20:43:13 < [7]> f205 and f207 are the same die :)
2014-10-23T20:43:41 < gxti> not too surprising.
2014-10-23T20:44:17 < jpa-> i guess if it was very surprising, [7] wouldn't have had the idea to check it out :P
2014-10-23T20:44:32 < Thorn> empty chips are in double fault lockup
2014-10-23T20:44:56 < jpa-> only if you let them boot
2014-10-23T20:45:17 < jpa-> stlink-v2 can hold nrst down
2014-10-23T20:45:48 < gxti> you don't need nrst to program an empty chip, just ones that are in standby
2014-10-23T20:46:10 < jadew> dongs, which SA did you say you had before the MDO?
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2014-10-23T20:52:06 < effractur> mm i need a small cheap mcu with usb support and low power, currently i am thinking about the STM32F042xx series are there better alternatives?
2014-10-23T20:52:34 < Thorn> lpc11uxx and lpc13something for example
2014-10-23T20:52:41 < jpa-> i like STM32L1xx for low power
2014-10-23T20:52:55 < Steffanx> or L0 for crystall less usb
2014-10-23T20:53:01 < Steffanx> -l
2014-10-23T20:53:24 < gxti> ooo
2014-10-23T20:53:28 < jpa-> L0 is fine too, though for hobby stuff i don't see much point as the price difference is not large
2014-10-23T20:53:43 < jpa-> L1 can also do crystalless usb if you don't mind the datasheet ;)
2014-10-23T20:53:52 < gxti> anything *can* work :P
2014-10-23T20:54:16 < gxti> then again for 'hobby stuff' the cost of a crystal is trivial
2014-10-23T20:55:08 < jpa-> having to wire it up is annoying, though
2014-10-23T20:55:22 < jpa-> especially if size is important
2014-10-23T20:55:36 < Steffanx> go atmega8u2
2014-10-23T20:56:59 < kakeman> dont!
2014-10-23T20:57:06 < Steffanx> hehe
2014-10-23T20:59:23 < karlp> jpa there's a "program" shortcut for the flashing lengthy commands you have in that script.
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2014-10-23T21:00:04 < jpa-> karlp: yes, but google doesn't tell me that so i don't use it
2014-10-23T21:03:31 < karlp> openocd -f board/stm32f3discovery.cfg \ -c "program filename.elf verify reset"
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2014-10-23T21:27:20  * [7] wouldn't have expected that soldering QFNs can be easier than LQFP
2014-10-23T21:27:45 < gxti> it can be, yeah
2014-10-23T21:28:05 < gxti> if you get nice even paste distribution it's hard to mess up
2014-10-23T21:28:06 < [7]> aligning these tiny things is a bit more tricky, but soldering was much easier :)
2014-10-23T21:28:18 < [7]> no, hand soldering with soldering wire + iron :)
2014-10-23T21:28:43 < gxti> in the past i've tinned the pads and glommed the part down with tacky flux, that works pretty well too
2014-10-23T21:28:59 < [7]> i did that on the center (thermal) pad, then drag soldered the rest
2014-10-23T21:29:15 < gxti> in any case, the pads are smaller and less prone to bridging
2014-10-23T21:29:40 < jpa-> with qfn, i often have trouble with some pads not being soldered properly
2014-10-23T21:29:58 < jpa-> though if the qfn package has pads extending on the edge of the package then it is easy
2014-10-23T21:30:06 < [7]> jpa-: I had that in my first experiment. this one was really easy in comparison. so it seems to depend a lot on the chip
2014-10-23T21:30:23 < [7]> smsc lan8720a
2014-10-23T21:30:43 < [7]> that seems to be a really nice one (wrt. soldering)
2014-10-23T21:33:16 < Laurenceb> anyone here used beaglebone black?
2014-10-23T21:33:21 < Laurenceb> i can tget usb host to work
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2014-10-24T00:49:36 < BrainDamage> http://hackaday.com/2014/10/22/watch-that-windows-update-ftdi-drivers-are-killing-fake-chips
2014-10-24T00:51:48 < karlp> you're like, _hours_ out of date man.
2014-10-24T00:53:18 < BrainDamage> damn, I'll OLD myself out then
2014-10-24T00:54:22 < Laurenceb__> anyone here used a beaglebone black?
2014-10-24T00:54:33 < Laurenceb__> the usb host seems to be broken
2014-10-24T00:55:45 < karlp> BrainDamage: linux kernel has got a patch to work around it already, and will probably get functionality to restore them even
2014-10-24T00:57:01 < BrainDamage> it's a fucking terrible precedent
2014-10-24T00:57:02 < BrainDamage> if more adopt it, I wonder how many workarounds will be accepted in the kernel for broken devices
2014-10-24T00:57:50 < GargantuaSauce> as if there aren't hundreds of device-specific kludges in the kernel already
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2014-10-24T01:01:54 < karlp> they just copied what segger/salaea already do
2014-10-24T01:08:28 < gxti> bios/efi code is pretty much 99% workarounds/hacks
2014-10-24T01:09:31 < gxti> because nobody gets the hardware right and nobody cares as long as it works on windows
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2014-10-24T01:14:43 < ds2> how I hate IDEs so very very very very very very very very very much
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2014-10-24T01:17:40 < Steffanx> how vi is the holy grail?
2014-10-24T01:18:16 < ds2> notepad would be so much better
2014-10-24T01:20:25 < Laurenceb__> what about emacs?
2014-10-24T01:20:28 < Laurenceb__>  /troll
2014-10-24T01:29:28 < ds2> doing things in an IDE takes 10x longer
2014-10-24T01:41:12 < Steffanx> for you
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2014-10-24T03:03:35 < ds2> keil is so mind blowingly fucked
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2014-10-24T03:26:54 < dongs> bullshit
2014-10-24T03:26:59 < dongs> also, lol: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/10/windows-update-drivers-bricking-usb-serial-chips-beloved-of-hardware-hackers/
2014-10-24T03:27:51 < zyp> 23:51:47 < karlp> you're like, _hours_ out of date man.
2014-10-24T03:29:41 < ds2> 30second tasks take days if not years in keil
2014-10-24T03:34:04 < Simon--> hehe
2014-10-24T03:37:31 < dongs> ds2, such as?
2014-10-24T03:37:40 < dongs> you need to clear your lunix mindset of everything is a fail
2014-10-24T03:37:48 < dongs> and actually start getting work done
2014-10-24T03:42:26 < karlp> today I learned that ftdi is scottish, I always assumed they were chinese
2014-10-24T03:43:49 < dongs> if they were chinese their shit wouldnt be so expensive
2014-10-24T03:44:19 < karlp> well, that article has the update from ms that the drivers have been pulled
2014-10-24T03:44:30 < dongs> rly
2014-10-24T03:44:40 < karlp> you posted it, you didn't read it?
2014-10-24T03:45:37 < dongs> you expect me to read shit i post??
2014-10-24T03:45:45 < dongs> i stopped reading somewehre into the 1st or 2nd paragraph
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2014-10-24T03:53:45 < ds2> like trying to find out what include paths are being passed to the compiler
2014-10-24T03:54:37 < ds2> with a non IDE setup, you look at exactly what is passed to CC. that isn't possible cuz there is no damn makefile/nmakefile/etc
2014-10-24T04:00:50 < dongs> um bro
2014-10-24T04:00:58 < dongs> project fucking properties
2014-10-24T04:00:58 < dongs> done.
2014-10-24T04:01:11 < ds2> been there
2014-10-24T04:01:18 < dongs> thats all you need to see then
2014-10-24T04:01:20 < dongs> 'include paths'
2014-10-24T04:01:21 < ds2> the very path that should have the .h file is listed
2014-10-24T04:01:32 < dongs> its ; separated.
2014-10-24T04:01:33 < ds2> but the compiler doesn't seem tos ee it as it is still bombing out with a missing .h error
2014-10-24T04:01:40 < dongs> nah youre doing it wrong
2014-10-24T04:01:42 < ds2> it looks fine from the GUI
2014-10-24T04:01:43 < dongs> and/or using shitty files
2014-10-24T04:01:56 < dongs> or doing #include <> when it should be ""
2014-10-24T04:01:57 < dongs> etc.
2014-10-24T04:02:24 < dongs> you can turn off 'no auto includes' if you think some system stuff is conflicting with it
2014-10-24T04:02:28 < ds2> *shrug*
2014-10-24T04:02:31 < dongs> er turn off = [x] turn on
2014-10-24T04:02:50 < ds2> I suspect the project file was created for UV4 but I am on UV5 and something else is broken
2014-10-24T04:02:55 < dongs> i keep all my headers under the project tree so i generally have auto-includes disabled
2014-10-24T04:02:58 < ds2> in anycase, this is a waste of time exercise
2014-10-24T04:02:58 < dongs> doesnt matter
2014-10-24T04:03:12 < dongs> i have tons of projects that weer started in uv4 and work fine in uv5
2014-10-24T04:03:16 < ds2> this is not my code I am starting with
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2014-10-24T04:15:27 < jadew> freaking microsoft and their stupid windows updates! my arduino stopped working
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2014-10-24T04:15:58 < ReadError> bad trolling
2014-10-24T04:16:18 < jadew> yeah... I like MS <3
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2014-10-24T04:18:04 < jadew> did you guys get a t-shirt? http://image.bayimg.com/fd5208dbd505b90d30745bcfcc6fb77ed0a68d37.jpg
2014-10-24T04:20:27 < karlp> oh dear, ftdi mustn't be very happy with how this has played out
2014-10-24T04:20:56 < jadew> karlp, maybe they knew it would happen and they are prepared for it
2014-10-24T04:21:17 < jadew> (with money to pay off any damages they made)
2014-10-24T04:21:49 < jadew> it may be more profitable, until the chinese fix this issue in their clones
2014-10-24T04:24:51 < karlp> I'm not sure I see a path to profit from this.
2014-10-24T04:26:22 < jadew> me either, but you never know, they might have taken everything into account and figured that they're not going to lose the big companies, instead they'll piss off the small fish, which will eventually turn back to FTDI and this time buy real chips
2014-10-24T04:27:02 < jadew> personally, I'm not gonna risk getting any more FTDI chips
2014-10-24T04:27:32 < jadew> even if I got them from them direclty, there's no reason to design around it if I'm gonna manufacture in china
2014-10-24T04:28:32 < jadew> but again, they might have seen this comming
2014-10-24T04:28:43 < jadew> if they did, it could be a good time to buy FTDI stocks :P
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2014-10-24T04:31:41 < karlp> I doubt it, I think it "seemed like a good idea at the time"
2014-10-24T04:31:50 < karlp> I don't believe they expected it to be such a pr disaster
2014-10-24T04:36:09 < jadew> I agree
2014-10-24T04:37:07 < ds2> or maybe this is a strategy to identify the cloners
2014-10-24T04:37:18 < jadew> ds2, they know who the cloners are
2014-10-24T04:37:34 < jadew> they can't do jack about it, because it's not illegal (except the printing part)
2014-10-24T04:37:41 < ds2> specifically or in general
2014-10-24T04:38:02 < ds2> I donno about that
2014-10-24T04:38:06 < jadew> ds2, they know which company is making the silicon
2014-10-24T04:38:22 < ds2> if the clones are in anyway used with the USB logo, that is fraud there
2014-10-24T04:38:47 < jadew> yes, but the chip manufacturer doesn't print anything on the chip
2014-10-24T04:38:59 < jadew> other people buy them and print FTDI
2014-10-24T04:40:20 < ds2> this should also shake out some of those
2014-10-24T04:40:30 < ds2> it isn't the printing I was referring to... it is using the vendor's id
2014-10-24T04:40:30 < jadew> also, there's no USB logo on them, they only break the FTDI trademark, but the driver can't know this
2014-10-24T04:40:46 < jadew> ds2, the vendor ID is not backed by any law
2014-10-24T04:40:55 < ds2> if a device claims to be another vendor's id, the other vendor is free to do as it sees fit with something that uses their vendor id
2014-10-24T04:40:56 < jadew> it's just a number alocated by the USB consortium
2014-10-24T04:41:03 < jadew> no
2014-10-24T04:41:03 < ds2> vendor id is backed by contractual terms
2014-10-24T04:41:17 < jadew> the company owning the vendor id, doesn't really own anything
2014-10-24T04:41:33 < ds2> I disagree
2014-10-24T04:41:38 < ds2> it is their name
2014-10-24T04:41:44 < jadew> ds2, it's not
2014-10-24T04:41:56 < jadew> the vendor id has value only for the USB consortium
2014-10-24T04:42:05 < jadew> (they charge 5k for each VID)
2014-10-24T04:42:21 < jadew> but that allocation is not backed by any law
2014-10-24T04:42:28 < ds2> I don't see how that can be... the VID is used to identify something in the USB space
2014-10-24T04:42:38 < jadew> yes
2014-10-24T04:42:44 < ds2> these are USB drivers for use with USB hardware
2014-10-24T04:42:59 < ds2> if you plug in noncompliant USB hardware into a compliant device, the behavior is at best undefined
2014-10-24T04:43:03 < jadew> yes and there is nothing stopping you from assuming whatever VID you want
2014-10-24T04:43:17 < jadew> you can make your own drivers too
2014-10-24T04:43:40 < ds2> yes
2014-10-24T04:44:14 < jadew> the point is that the USB Consortium has no right to deny you from using any number you want
2014-10-24T04:44:17 < jadew> nobody does
2014-10-24T04:44:38 < jadew> the only thing they can do is to not recognize you
2014-10-24T04:44:55 < jadew> for example if you want to submit a driver to MS
2014-10-24T04:44:58 < ds2> it is not about denying you from using whatever numbers you want
2014-10-24T04:45:30 < jadew> the point is that it's not illegal to use any VID/PID you want to use
2014-10-24T04:45:36 < ds2> but they do have a right to say in the USB space using hardware from the consortium's member, anything assigned to that member is defined by that member
2014-10-24T04:46:02 < jadew> did I sign that?
2014-10-24T04:46:03 < ds2> OTH, I don't see any value in cloning FTDI crap so..
2014-10-24T04:46:34 < ds2> so by your line of reasoning, I should be able to ship products with a ethernet mac address of FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF?
2014-10-24T04:46:40 < jadew> yes
2014-10-24T04:46:59 < jadew> and it's not my resoning, it's the law
2014-10-24T04:47:07 < jadew> you can even start your own consortium
2014-10-24T04:47:17 < jadew> and call it the UBX Consortium
2014-10-24T04:47:33 < jadew> and allocate VIDs for the same protocol
2014-10-24T04:48:13 < ds2> prehaps someone should try shipping such a ethernet
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2014-10-24T04:55:49 < jadew> personally I'd be happy if someone took charge and improved the USB protocol so people wouldn't have to pay 5k for a stinking VID
2014-10-24T04:56:30 < jadew> all you need is a few more bytes in the VID
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2014-10-24T04:58:08 < karlp> yeah, that's not one that's going to happen anytime soon.
2014-10-24T05:10:39 < jadew> http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/styles/blog_post_media/public/images/DeannaTroiMarinaSirtis.jpg?itok=IYZ6O2rQ
2014-10-24T05:10:45 < jadew> this chick is so recognizable
2014-10-24T05:11:26 < dongs> as being fucking ugly, i agree
2014-10-24T05:12:04 < jadew> don't know how, but I saw her in stargate and I instantly recognized her
2014-10-24T05:12:25 < dongs> ah, unfunnygatea
2014-10-24T05:13:27 < jadew> she's not ugly...
2014-10-24T05:13:36 < dongs> is too
2014-10-24T05:14:25 < jadew> http://chockblock.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/sirtis1xm9.jpg
2014-10-24T05:14:28 < jadew> I could use that
2014-10-24T05:14:40 < dongs> fail
2014-10-24T05:14:41 < jadew> hmm, might be fake
2014-10-24T05:17:59 < jadew> went to a wedding recently and a friend of my wife had a cleavage just like that
2014-10-24T05:18:12 < jadew> it was super hard not to look
2014-10-24T05:22:29 < ds2> plastic?
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2014-10-24T05:23:51 < jadew> ds2, nope
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2014-10-24T05:29:42 < dongs> got email from "Carl" at hspcb.com
2014-10-24T05:31:23 < dongs> 2.Competitive price and on mass production
2014-10-24T05:31:23 < dongs> 2L       80usd  per m2     on stardard spec
2014-10-24T05:31:24 < dongs> 4L       140usd per m2    on standard spec
2014-10-24T05:31:29 < dongs> that seems fucking cheap
2014-10-24T05:32:46 < GargantuaSauce> whats the moq?
2014-10-24T05:32:58 < dongs> um, production so i'd guess m^2 would be moq
2014-10-24T05:33:12 < dongs> asked anyway.
2014-10-24T05:34:08 < GargantuaSauce> their site is atrocious
2014-10-24T05:34:38 < dongs> totally
2014-10-24T05:34:49 < dongs> looks like tehy stole some web 1.5 template in 2010 and haven't updated it since
2014-10-24T05:35:39 < zyp> well, there's a lot of difference between one 100x100cm board and hundred 10x10cm boards
2014-10-24T05:35:47 < zyp> both adds up to 1 m2
2014-10-24T05:35:55 < dongs> the former will be more expensive.
2014-10-24T05:36:05 < dongs> because of film cost.
2014-10-24T05:36:10 < dongs> but they might be averaging it out.
2014-10-24T05:36:13 < dongs> adn not caring.
2014-10-24T05:36:32 < zyp> sounds optimistic
2014-10-24T05:37:19 < dongs> they have infinite free time
2014-10-24T05:37:34 < dongs> emailing my scampcb company asking if we wanna buy from them
2014-10-24T05:37:42 < dongs> so i dont see a problem with spending more of thier time asking for spec + capabilities
2014-10-24T05:39:42 < dongs> Min.Line Width 3mil 4.8mil
2014-10-24T05:39:43 < dongs> Min.Line Space 3mil 4.8mil
2014-10-24T05:39:44 < dongs> uhhh
2014-10-24T05:39:47 < dongs> thats not bad
2014-10-24T05:40:02 < dongs> PTH hole tolerance(min.) +/-0.076mm
2014-10-24T05:40:13 < dongs> ahah, here's the fail: Min.silkscreen
2014-10-24T05:40:13 < dongs> legend(height/width)
2014-10-24T05:40:15 < dongs> 0.7mm/0.12mm
2014-10-24T05:40:24 < dongs> i sure hope t hey mean 0.07mm
2014-10-24T05:41:07 < dongs> sup R2COM how many FTDI adapters did you brick today
2014-10-24T05:41:49 < dongs> R2COM: didny you hear the drama http://image.bayimg.com/fd5208dbd505b90d30745bcfcc6fb77ed0a68d37.jpg
2014-10-24T05:42:25 < zyp> but did you manage to receive send data?
2014-10-24T05:43:00 < dongs> I can send lots of data by UDP
2014-10-24T05:43:03 < dongs> without ever receiving it
2014-10-24T05:44:31 < zyp> how is that possible?
2014-10-24T05:45:12 < zyp> I mean, how is it possible to make UDP less reliable than it already is?
2014-10-24T05:45:38 < GargantuaSauce> i think udp lite does partial checksumming
2014-10-24T05:46:16 < zyp> GargantuaSauce, so it'll actually be more reliable, because you can still receive a datagram even if you lose one fragment of it?
2014-10-24T05:46:23 < GargantuaSauce> yes
2014-10-24T05:46:50 < zyp> well, that's not less reliable :p
2014-10-24T05:47:08 < GargantuaSauce> could argue it either way i think. semantics.
2014-10-24T05:48:06 < GargantuaSauce> guess it works well for stuff like mpeg-ts where there's error correction at the application layer
2014-10-24T05:48:17 < zyp> I don't see how you can argue that it's less reliable when best case is less dataloss and worst case is same dataloss as plain UDP
2014-10-24T05:48:48 < GargantuaSauce> it's unreliable in that you can transmit packets with no error detection
2014-10-24T05:49:47 < GargantuaSauce> whereas udp always detects a transmission error
2014-10-24T05:49:55 < GargantuaSauce> thx
2014-10-24T05:49:58 < zyp> GargantuaSauce, and drops it, so it's lost anyway
2014-10-24T05:50:08 < GargantuaSauce> yes but it's detected!
2014-10-24T05:50:25 < GargantuaSauce> anyway again it's just semantic
2014-10-24T05:50:40 < GargantuaSauce> more or less reliable depending on how you define reliability
2014-10-24T05:54:28 < GargantuaSauce> i think i tried using udplite once and my router told me to go fuck myself
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2014-10-24T06:22:54 < dongs> not much
2014-10-24T06:22:57 < dongs> blogging
2014-10-24T06:23:04 < dongs> working on bluebooth dildo
2014-10-24T06:29:11 < Viper168> by working on he means he bough one and is using it
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2014-10-24T06:29:17 < Viper168> *bought
2014-10-24T06:29:20 < dongs> well yes
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2014-10-24T07:33:17 < dongs> http://irclo.gr/i/159630/1413907653025.png
2014-10-24T07:33:18 < dongs> worth a read
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2014-10-24T07:38:03 < GargantuaSauce> high intellectual intelligence
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2014-10-24T08:39:44 < dongs> hm should upgrade my altidong
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2014-10-24T09:05:08 < dongs> haha wow, nrf usb dongle shit uses blind vias
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2014-10-24T10:15:01 < Cyric> is there any good and free tool for analyzing HEX files?
2014-10-24T10:15:59 < jpa-> what do you mean by analyzing?
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2014-10-24T10:21:48 < Cyric> extracting C code :)
2014-10-24T10:21:51 < Cyric> or part of it
2014-10-24T10:25:36 < emeryth> I'm afraid not, it's not a simple task
2014-10-24T10:26:13 < Cyric> but if i convert hex to bin and then i disassemble it
2014-10-24T10:26:22 < Cyric> it should work... right?
2014-10-24T10:26:48 < emeryth> yes, but you will have assembly, not C
2014-10-24T10:27:58 < Cyric> but i start to be close.. :D
2014-10-24T10:28:21 < Cyric> i would then need a decompiler
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2014-10-24T10:29:12 < Cyric> the point is that i do not want exact the C code... but a tool that is able to recognize standard C patterns in the assembly code such as for,while etc
2014-10-24T10:30:34 < jpa-> modern optimizing compilers do not have very clear patterns
2014-10-24T10:31:16 < jpa-> and if the code is thumb2, you'll have alignment trouble in diassembling it also
2014-10-24T10:32:21 < Cyric> ok
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2014-10-24T10:34:11 < emeryth> start saving money for IDA ;)
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2014-10-24T10:50:56 < PeterM> dongs: bluetooth dildo too strongk, its fucking freenode
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2014-10-24T11:46:20 < emeryth> anybody with CAN experience? I'm trying to get two stm32s to talk to eachother, they both seem to transmit correctly, but they don't ack each others frames
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2014-10-24T12:46:37 < PeterM> emeryth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTDUuBWGtpU
2014-10-24T12:48:27 < emeryth> thanks bro
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2014-10-24T12:54:12 < dongs> holy shit
2014-10-24T12:54:25 < dongs> this shit uses a prebiased pnp with nonstadndard sot23 pinout
2014-10-24T12:54:28 < dongs> such fucking fial
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2014-10-24T12:54:40 < dongs> you'd think this sorta shit would be standard
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2014-10-24T12:57:15 < Thorn> emeryth: are you sure that timings are the same on both?
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2014-10-24T13:00:34 < emeryth> Thorn: I've just fixed it, the timings were off
2014-10-24T13:02:32 < emeryth> didn't know it has to be so strict
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2014-10-24T13:53:31 < Cyric> http://www.zdnet.com/ftdi-admits-to-bricking-innocent-users-chips-in-silent-update-7000035019/
2014-10-24T13:53:44 < Cyric> anyone using FTDI chips?
2014-10-24T13:55:02 < scrts_w> only legit ones
2014-10-24T13:56:35 < dongs> anyone still cares about FTDI in 2014?
2014-10-24T13:56:57 < dongs> the only  thing I'd ever use anything FTDI related is i'd emulate their protocol and reuse vid/pid to get free drivers.
2014-10-24T13:58:38 < emeryth> but you are killing the industry this way
2014-10-24T13:58:44 < emeryth> FTDI is coming for you
2014-10-24T13:59:12 < scrts_w> any other options for USB to 8bit bus?
2014-10-24T13:59:15 < Cyric> the point is that they are bricking devices... what if i am a end user... are they going to brick my COM ports because someone mounted the wrong chips?
2014-10-24T13:59:34 < scrts_w> possibly true
2014-10-24T13:59:44 < scrts_w> and if the device is out of warranty -> good luck :)
2014-10-24T13:59:58 < Cyric> that is illegal
2014-10-24T14:02:49 < karlp> scrts_w: ezusb?
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2014-10-24T14:03:26 < karlp> what ftdi part are you using for usb-8bit bus? the ch341 has some modes for that too in the docs,
2014-10-24T14:03:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/688dHmd.png my dildo is progressing
2014-10-24T14:04:34 < madist> not wide enough
2014-10-24T14:06:16 < dongs> wonder if there's a li* charger with DC/DC
2014-10-24T14:06:37 < karlp> I'm surelinear has _exactly_ what you need :)
2014-10-24T14:06:43 < dongs> fuck linear
2014-10-24T14:07:01 < dongs> the other day i was also shown a
2014-10-24T14:07:11 < dongs> http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/power/supervisors-voltage-monitors-sequencers/MAX16054.html
2014-10-24T14:07:14 < dongs> this
2014-10-24T14:07:15 < dongs> not sure if I wanna use it or not yet
2014-10-24T14:07:28 < dongs> i think i want to do some long-press stuff on the button, i'd have to see if I can use it together with this
2014-10-24T14:08:02 < FransWillem> dongs: What's it supposed to be ?
2014-10-24T14:08:15 < dongs> that part or the dildo?
2014-10-24T14:08:25 < FransWillem> You're actually designing a dildo ?
2014-10-24T14:08:39 < dongs> yeah
2014-10-24T14:08:54 < FransWillem> How on earth did you end up with a project like that :p?
2014-10-24T14:09:12 < dongs> future dickstarter proj
2014-10-24T14:10:08 < karlp> but look at all that RF radiationz inside you! BTLE will give your unconceived baby cancer!
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2014-10-24T14:33:01 < PaulFertser> dongs: is that two quartz resonators near nrf51? Do you need RTC on a dildo? ;)
2014-10-24T14:34:28 < PeterM> dongs: switching lipo charger? richteks got one :P
2014-10-24T14:34:40 < PeterM> i think skyworks too
2014-10-24T14:34:41 < PaulFertser> Also, where're the accels? Don't you want to implement a smart adaptive mode that would go in sync with the body movements?
2014-10-24T14:35:59 < emeryth> and add a compass, so it can be used for hands-free navigation
2014-10-24T14:37:34 < Steffanx> dongs, why would one make a dildo with a button on the part that should go "in"? To detect if it's inserted?
2014-10-24T14:38:29 < _Sync_> and uses ble
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2014-10-24T14:40:41 < PeterM> dongs: http://www.skyworksinc.com/uploads/documents/AAT3620_201904D.pdf IIRC it was super cheap
2014-10-24T14:41:07 < Steffanx> it should also get a temperature sensor so Laurenceb can use for his ios app: HKBodyTemperatureSensorLocationRectum
2014-10-24T14:41:23 < dongs> PaulFertser: not there yet
2014-10-24T14:41:31 < dongs> yes adding mpu6500
2014-10-24T14:41:59 < dongs> PeterM: yea thats a switching charger, i meant, something w/built in DCDC so i dont need another part for powering the stuff
2014-10-24T14:42:03 < PeterM> put a capacitive drag/slide/swipe sensor and crank it up when its all the way along the "swipe"
2014-10-24T14:42:20 < dongs> Steffanx: no thats just the handle part
2014-10-24T14:42:35 < PeterM> dongs: i think AD have some p[arts that meet that req
2014-10-24T14:43:07 < dongs> ill take a look. im not sure what i need yet. i have a schematic that works but too many parts
2014-10-24T14:43:12 < dongs> and not sure if it'll work with longpress
2014-10-24T14:43:45 < dongs> MAX16054 + BQ24075 + TPS63001 for DCDC
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2014-10-24T14:46:08 < GargantuaSauce> hmm, the coating/housing should have strain sensors so you can measure the depth of penetration
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2014-10-24T14:47:27 < GargantuaSauce> or perhaps air pockets with pressure sensors would be the way to do that
2014-10-24T14:47:52 < ReadError> dongs u can clone my BQ24075 shit
2014-10-24T14:47:54 < ReadError> it werks
2014-10-24T14:50:35 < PeterM> GargantuaSauce: or you could just use cap touch sensor
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2014-10-24T14:51:43 < GargantuaSauce> maybe. conductive fluids on the exterior might make that useless though
2014-10-24T14:54:36 < GargantuaSauce> measuring stress/pressure would also allow for it to react to muscle contractions
2014-10-24T14:56:08 < GargantuaSauce> synchronizing a modulation of the output with those would probably serve to optimize performance
2014-10-24T14:57:23 < PeterM> may cause odd feeedback loops tho
2014-10-24T14:58:36 < GargantuaSauce> obviously an empirical approach would be necessary to tune the response for the ideal outcome
2014-10-24T15:12:34 < Laurenceb> anyone here used a beaglebone black?
2014-10-24T15:12:41 < Laurenceb> i cant get usb host working
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2014-10-24T15:21:18 < dongs> you expect lunix shit to work?
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2014-10-24T15:30:09 < Laurenceb> echo on > /sys/bus/usb/devices/usb1/power/level
2014-10-24T15:30:17 < Laurenceb> and manual mount seems to have fixed it
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2014-10-24T15:57:57 < scrts_w> karlp: and write the software for that?
2014-10-24T15:58:08 < scrts_w> ezusb doesn't come preprogrammed for that I think
2014-10-24T15:58:26 < dongs> yes, ezusb is jsut shitty 8051
2014-10-24T15:58:36 < karlp> which ftdi device were you using for this 8bit mode?
2014-10-24T16:00:09 < dongs> probly FT245 or simlar
2014-10-24T16:00:20 < dongs> they have a few models that got 8bit io/fifo
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2014-10-24T16:12:59 < karlp> which are totally unaffected by drivers and cloners I presume
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2014-10-24T16:15:39 < Steffanx> They (already) pulled the driver-update anyway
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2014-10-24T16:34:18 < Laurenceb> is there working mass sotrage code for stm32f4?
2014-10-24T16:34:34 < Laurenceb> looks like beaglebone is unusable
2014-10-24T16:40:45 < Steffanx> you expect that to be more useful than lunix?
2014-10-24T16:41:16 < Laurenceb> yes
2014-10-24T16:41:22 < Laurenceb> BBB is unusable
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2014-10-24T16:48:14 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: they didn't implement otg properly?
2014-10-24T16:48:49 < Laurenceb> <abferm> usb hot-swap is not supported in 3.8... you have to have the device plugged in at boot.
2014-10-24T16:48:51 < Laurenceb> wtf
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2014-10-24T16:50:39 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: have you tried just unbinding and rebinding the driver instead of rebooting?
2014-10-24T16:50:55 < Laurenceb> yes, that fails too
2014-10-24T16:50:57 < PaulFertser> I wouldn't trust some random "IRC pro kernel hacker" when it comes to issues like that.
2014-10-24T16:51:05 < Laurenceb> heh
2014-10-24T16:51:10 < PaulFertser> (the usb host controller driver, not mass storage)
2014-10-24T16:51:13 < Laurenceb> im going to reflash with 3.14
2014-10-24T16:51:26 < Laurenceb> my other option is to root my gopro
2014-10-24T16:51:39 < Laurenceb> and change its behaviour
2014-10-24T16:52:08 < emeryth> what are you trying to do?
2014-10-24T16:52:09 < Laurenceb> i want to do on,240fps video clip,off,mass storage, copy file, off , repeat
2014-10-24T16:53:12 < Laurenceb> its for filming high speed machinery
2014-10-24T16:53:59 < emeryth> but why do you need a programmable USB device for that?
2014-10-24T16:54:11 < Laurenceb> because its cheap :D
2014-10-24T16:54:25 < Laurenceb> cheapest 240fps camera
2014-10-24T16:55:07 < PaulFertser> It's often not Linux itself that sucks but some stupid vendor devs that have no clue, see e.g. this thread: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/5/8/391 (Suresh works for Freescale).
2014-10-24T16:55:43 < emeryth> I mean why do you need the beaglebone or stm?
2014-10-24T16:56:02 < Laurenceb> emeryth: to run some CV stuff
2014-10-24T16:56:18 < Laurenceb> this is an automated device thats left running
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2014-10-24T17:31:07 < Guest66564> Where should I put my IVT? At 0x00000000 or at 0x08000000?
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2014-10-24T17:48:07 < gxti> it doesn't matter.
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2014-10-24T17:50:21 < jpa-> usually they are the same
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2014-10-24T17:51:27 < jpa-> but i think if you boot directly to application from boot0 bootloader, you may have to put it at 0x0800000
2014-10-24T17:54:19 < zyp> jpa-, what you just said doesn't make sense
2014-10-24T17:55:23 < Laurenceb> has anyone ever tried porting h.264 libs to stm32?
2014-10-24T17:55:45 < jpa-> zyp: ok
2014-10-24T17:57:27 < jpa-> zyp: but if BOOT0 is enabled, it causes boot memory to be mapped at 0x00000, then if you put 0x0000 in SCB->VTOR, won't it access the bootloader table instead?
2014-10-24T17:58:08 < zyp> yes
2014-10-24T17:58:54 < zyp> but he asked where he should put the table, not what he should put into SCB_VTOR
2014-10-24T17:58:56 < Guest66564> The IVT should be located in RAM or flash?
2014-10-24T17:59:06 < zyp> flash usually
2014-10-24T17:59:11 < jpa-> so i guess you interpret "put IVT" as "where do i program it in flash, while i thought it means more like "where should i tell the processor the IVT is at"
2014-10-24T17:59:34 < zyp> Guest66564, normally it must be located in the beginning of flash
2014-10-24T17:59:56 < jpa-> also, can you program 0x00000 if you load through boot0 bootloader? :P
2014-10-24T18:00:15 < zyp> the only reason you would put it in ram is if you're going to modify it after boot
2014-10-24T18:00:39 < zyp> and even then, you'll need a minimal table in flash for the initial boot
2014-10-24T18:00:48 < jpa-> or if you are on STM32L1 and need to have interrupts working during eeprom write
2014-10-24T18:01:11 < zyp> jpa-, ouch :p
2014-10-24T18:01:23 < jpa-> minimal table = reset address, even stack address can be loaded by the user code
2014-10-24T18:01:40 < zyp> sure, but reset comes after stack
2014-10-24T18:01:55 < jpa-> you have extra 32 bits you can put into good use!
2014-10-24T18:02:11 < zyp> yeah, like putting your stack addr there
2014-10-24T18:03:10 < dongs> huh
2014-10-24T18:03:19 < dongs> zyp, is nrf51 one of those things where you can assign any GPIO  to any peripheral
2014-10-24T18:03:23 < zyp> yes
2014-10-24T18:03:44 < dongs> i looked at that once when checking for PWM stuff, and now looking at SPI and it says asme thing
2014-10-24T18:03:47 < dongs> heh
2014-10-24T18:03:52 < dongs> so no restriction at all?
2014-10-24T18:03:57 < dongs> pins don't have to be near eaech other etc?
2014-10-24T18:04:09 < zyp> correct, as far as I understand
2014-10-24T18:04:21 < zyp> it's linked into the trigger/event system
2014-10-24T18:04:43 < jpa-> what about analog pins? or does it have any?
2014-10-24T18:04:50 < dongs> i Just got to that section
2014-10-24T18:04:53 < dongs> it has 8 adc
2014-10-24T18:05:07 < zyp> jpa-, analog would be separate I guess
2014-10-24T18:05:31 < dongs> yeah AIN0..7 stuff is on specific pins
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2014-10-24T18:10:50 < Guest66564> I see. Thanks
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2014-10-24T18:30:23 < dongs> someone gimme a reason not to use BQ24075
2014-10-24T18:34:15 < zyp> let's see
2014-10-24T18:35:50 < zyp> looks ok enough
2014-10-24T18:36:25 < dongs> do you think there's a way i would be able to negro  up SYSOFF (maybe together with MCU) to allow long-press button to do something?
2014-10-24T18:38:43 < zyp> yes
2014-10-24T18:39:01 < dongs> would it still draw current when off?
2014-10-24T18:39:49 < zyp> SYSOFF is pulled up by default, so just leaving it floating will turn the system off
2014-10-24T18:39:58 < dongs> datasheet says don't leave it floating :(
2014-10-24T18:40:45 < zyp> no, it doesn't
2014-10-24T18:40:53 < zyp> it says not to leave it unconnected
2014-10-24T18:41:05 < zyp> what I mean is that you connect it to a fet to drive it low
2014-10-24T18:41:19 < zyp> and hold the fet with the mcu to keep it on
2014-10-24T18:41:29 < zyp> then just release the fet to turn off
2014-10-24T18:41:56 < dongs> but button goes to same place?
2014-10-24T18:41:57 < zyp> and then you hook a button in parallel with that to turn on again
2014-10-24T18:42:01 < dongs> yeah ok
2014-10-24T18:42:20 < dongs> and when button is pressed while fet is low, it doesnt do anything?
2014-10-24T18:42:34 < dongs> wouldnt that kinda short stuff
2014-10-24T18:42:49 < zyp> button would obviously also have to pull low
2014-10-24T18:43:12 < zyp> button and fet would be like two switches to ground in parallel
2014-10-24T18:43:40 < zyp> though, you also need a way to read the button from the mcu to detect long press
2014-10-24T18:43:42 < dongs> and it staying off depends on that 5meg pullup inside?
2014-10-24T18:43:48 < dongs> well yeah
2014-10-24T18:43:48 < zyp> yes
2014-10-24T18:44:04 < dongs> and if its in parallel to fet, hwo is that gonna work
2014-10-24T18:44:07 < zyp> I guess simplest solution is a dual-pole button
2014-10-24T18:44:14 < dongs> nope thats not gonna happen
2014-10-24T18:44:37 < dongs> its one of thos tactile shits
2014-10-24T18:44:41 < dongs> flat on pcb
2014-10-24T18:44:48 < zyp> then you'd have to do some magic with diodes or another transistor or shit, let me think for a minute
2014-10-24T18:45:23 < zyp> what you have to keep in mind is that the mcu will pull anything low when unpowered due to the ESD diodes
2014-10-24T18:45:31 < zyp> hmm, that might not apply on FT inputs
2014-10-24T18:45:58 < qyx_> whats sysoff
2014-10-24T18:46:10 < zyp> qyx_, a pin on the bq chip
2014-10-24T18:46:14 < dongs> pin on that charger chip
2014-10-24T18:46:17 < dongs> disconnects battery from output
2014-10-24T18:46:30 < qyx_> ah, i though you are talking about wtm32
2014-10-24T18:47:45 < zyp> ah, I guess you could hook one end of the button to ground, and one end to two diodes
2014-10-24T18:48:02 < zyp> one diode pulls down sysoff and the other pulls down an mcu input
2014-10-24T18:48:29 < zyp> that will prevent the mcu from pulling down sysoff through esd diodes, and sysoff from pulling down mcu input when button is not pressed
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2014-10-24T18:57:47 < dongs> hm
2014-10-24T18:57:55 < dongs> ok, will blog this to my analog guy and see what he comes up wiht
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2014-10-24T18:58:52 < dongs> if i could use one of those common- end sot23 diode array shits this could probly fit if it works
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2014-10-24T19:17:09 < dongs> heh, "high logic level" for EN1/EN2 i wonder where should that come from
2014-10-24T19:17:30 < dongs> oh, looks like just to out.
2014-10-24T19:17:34 < dongs> in sample schematics
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2014-10-24T19:23:30 < dongs> mm stuff is nice and compact
2014-10-24T19:24:23 < dongs> ok bedtime
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2014-10-24T19:39:36 < zyp> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/10/23/129 <- for linux users who are missing out on the FTDI bricking
2014-10-24T19:42:47 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSXFqZU5tTkk0eEk/view?usp=sharing lets put some shelfs backside of shelfs
2014-10-24T19:43:06 < Tectu_> does anybody know how much an altium students license consts?
2014-10-24T19:43:17 < Steffanx> it was $99 iirc
2014-10-24T19:43:19 < Steffanx> for 1 year
2014-10-24T19:43:20 < zyp> do they have student licenses now?
2014-10-24T19:43:31 < Steffanx> but i dont know if that still exists
2014-10-24T19:43:31 < kakeman> ??
2014-10-24T19:43:43 < kakeman> I think there is only one price
2014-10-24T19:43:55 < kakeman> but can't confirm
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2014-10-24T19:45:43 < Tectu_> Steffanx, where does that price come from? I search quite a lot...
2014-10-24T19:46:07 < PaulFertser> zyp: btw, afaict it won't brick because it tries to overwrite VID, not PID. Also, they've already added a patch to match FTDI devices with PID 0, so nothing is "bricked" anyway.
2014-10-24T19:46:43 < zyp> PaulFertser, it's a joke :p
2014-10-24T19:47:34 < PaulFertser> I know. TI's employee did that citing FTDI's twitter.
2014-10-24T19:48:00 < Steffanx> is that guy still a TI employee or is it an outdated linkedin account..
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2014-10-24T19:48:07 < PaulFertser> Who knows
2014-10-24T19:48:25 < Steffanx> He does.
2014-10-24T19:49:15 < Steffanx> Tectu_, i think someone told me once.. i dont have "official" sources
2014-10-24T19:49:21 < Steffanx> -""
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2014-10-24T19:51:22 < Steffanx> that someone was RobinT maybe you remember him, he in this channel a while ago
2014-10-24T19:52:18 < Tectu_> oh
2014-10-24T19:54:50 < Steffanx> i don't think this student license stuff still exists, all references i  can find are ~2006-2007
2014-10-24T19:54:58 < Steffanx> *are from
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2014-10-24T19:55:23 < Tectu_> me too
2014-10-24T19:55:29 < Tectu_> KiCAD it is then.
2014-10-24T19:55:38 < Steffanx> tpb ;)
2014-10-24T19:55:40 < Tectu_> Dual core ARM A9 with DDR3 in KiCAD, yay
2014-10-24T19:56:01 < _Sync_> 8/8 m9
2014-10-24T19:56:18 < Steffanx> i agree _Sync_
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2014-10-24T21:32:03 < effractur> is there something like a BAS40 but with 8 orso in one package
2014-10-24T21:32:05 < effractur> ?
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2014-10-24T21:42:56 < GargantuaSauce> SMS3940-029LF ?
2014-10-24T21:44:24 < effractur> no i mean more bas40-40
2014-10-24T21:47:16 < effractur> and then 8 of them in 1 package
2014-10-24T21:48:41 < GargantuaSauce> well aren't we picky
2014-10-24T21:53:55 < Steffanx> dont be lazy, just solder 8 of them to your board effractur :P
2014-10-24T21:54:06 < effractur> Steffanx: it does not fit
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2014-10-25T03:50:15 < zyp> emeb, you around?
2014-10-25T03:50:32 < emeb> zyp: yes
2014-10-25T03:50:44 < dongs> sup dongs
2014-10-25T03:51:49 < zyp> emeb, I've got some HDL here, for which simulation doesn't make sense to me
2014-10-25T03:51:50 < emeb> heh - did you see the C64 emulator done on an STM32?
2014-10-25T03:52:03 < emeb> zyp: fun!
2014-10-25T03:52:09 < emeb> what's up?
2014-10-25T03:52:22 < zyp> emeb, do you see a practical difference between these two: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/P0Dnw http://paste.jvnv.net/view/hH1tJ ?
2014-10-25T03:52:48 < zyp> lines 13-14 and 37-39 in the second are the difference
2014-10-25T03:53:08 < zyp> they should be redundant, as those lines are set on entry to those states
2014-10-25T03:53:34 < zyp> but they make a difference for simulation
2014-10-25T03:54:58 < emeb> I don't see why they're redundant
2014-10-25T03:55:27 < emeb> at the top of the process you set those signals to 0, then in the case you set them to 1 for some states.
2014-10-25T03:55:40 < zyp> oh
2014-10-25T03:55:46 < zyp> right, missed that part
2014-10-25T03:55:47 < zyp> wtf
2014-10-25T03:55:53 < zyp> also, this is generated code
2014-10-25T03:55:59 < emeb> yay!
2014-10-25T03:56:18 < zyp> okay, next up I need to figure out why that happens then
2014-10-25T03:56:30 < zyp> I mean, why they are set to 0
2014-10-25T03:56:37 < emeb> defaults
2014-10-25T03:56:43 < emeb> it's a common technique
2014-10-25T03:57:07 < emeb> outside the case you set default values, then override per state
2014-10-25T03:57:19 < zyp> by the way, have you interfaced fpgas to the fsmc before?
2014-10-25T03:57:31 < emeb> no
2014-10-25T03:57:41 < emeb> it's on my list though
2014-10-25T03:57:52 < zyp> I'm curious how you'd handle it
2014-10-25T03:57:54 < emeb> got a design in the works that would allow that.
2014-10-25T03:58:03 < emeb> but it'll be a while before I get there.
2014-10-25T03:58:30 < emeb> I'd probably do what we discussed - run the fsmc interface exclusively from fsmc_clk
2014-10-25T03:58:49 < zyp> even if it's non-continous?
2014-10-25T03:58:49 < emeb> and the internal part of the FPGA off another clock that's synchronous to the STM32
2014-10-25T03:58:59 < emeb> yes
2014-10-25T03:59:06 < zyp> well, ok
2014-10-25T03:59:24 < zyp> anyway, I was thinking more about the event timing
2014-10-25T03:59:32 < zyp> what would you use for an internal bus?
2014-10-25T03:59:48 < emeb> what do you mean?
2014-10-25T04:00:04 < zyp> I mean, I'm currently trying to make a wishbone master
2014-10-25T04:00:36 < emeb> ah - I've never used those opencores IP approaches
2014-10-25T04:00:41 < emeb> I always just roll my own.
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2014-10-25T04:01:16 < emeb> most of the time my stuff is so simple that it's more trouble than it's worth to conform to some standard.
2014-10-25T04:01:37 < zyp> yeah, I guess
2014-10-25T04:02:04 < zyp> then again wishbone seems simple enough that it seems like what you'd end up with anyway
2014-10-25T04:02:57 < dongs> wishboner
2014-10-25T04:03:55 < dongs> We ship worldwide (except to Iran, Sudan, Cuba, Syria, North Korea, and Uganda).
2014-10-25T04:06:28 < emeb> zyp: it may be - I've not looked at it much.
2014-10-25T04:07:00 < emeb> my group has done some work with various ARM + FPGA SoCs and they use crazy AXI bus stuff that's super complicated, packet oriented.
2014-10-25T04:07:08 < dongs> c64 on stm32, where?
2014-10-25T04:07:17 < emeb> dongs: hackaday
2014-10-25T04:07:19 < dongs> oh, dickaday
2014-10-25T04:07:22 < dongs> found by google ya
2014-10-25T04:08:17 < dongs> ohh
2014-10-25T04:08:19 < dongs> waveshare user
2014-10-25T04:09:26 < dongs> i'
2014-10-25T04:09:34 < dongs> i'm sorry that he had to layout a 6l board in eagle, lolz
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2014-10-25T04:20:23 < dongs> englishman: $130 dickstarter disruptor boards are here. will assemble sometime afternoon
2014-10-25T04:20:58 < englishman> <3
2014-10-25T04:21:10 < englishman> and the latest in teledildonics?
2014-10-25T04:21:20 < dongs> looks like minimax is failing anyway
2014-10-25T04:21:33 < dongs> they were too fucking expensive
2014-10-25T04:21:36 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/935235616/minimax-the-portable-professional-high-dpi-display?ref=category
2014-10-25T04:22:03 < dongs> for what htey're asking you can buy a 4k acer/dell/whatever 28"
2014-10-25T04:22:08 < englishman> damn
2014-10-25T04:22:10 < dongs> hwich comes in a case and doenst look like ass
2014-10-25T04:23:31 < dongs> why the fuck does B&H close on saturdays
2014-10-25T04:23:32 < dongs> some jewish thing?
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2014-10-25T04:24:54 < zyp> yep
2014-10-25T04:25:55 < dongs> they dont even take online orders during that time
2014-10-25T04:26:00 < dongs> thats fucking nuts
2014-10-25T04:26:06 < dongs> like checkout buttons are grayd out
2014-10-25T04:26:21 < zyp> yeah, I remember they did that when I bought my camera there too
2014-10-25T04:26:41 < dongs> weird shit :D
2014-10-25T04:27:08 < zyp> yeah
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2014-10-25T04:27:24 < zyp> opening times on webpages is dumb
2014-10-25T04:28:38 < zyp> I remember some package tracking webpage once that didn't let you track shit outside working hours
2014-10-25T04:34:38 < upgrdman> wtf? a web site that is closed on saturdays?
2014-10-25T04:34:46 < upgrdman> that's fucking braindead
2014-10-25T04:38:11 < dongs> zyp: that sounds like some japan shit
2014-10-25T04:40:18 < zyp> no, I think it was tollpost
2014-10-25T04:40:29 < zyp> and before you get to it; trollpost is already a common name for it
2014-10-25T04:41:44 < dongs> Logg inn - PostNord
2014-10-25T04:43:13 < zyp> huh?
2014-10-25T04:51:02 < englishman> such blogs
2014-10-25T04:52:13 < englishman> how much tcp does your tcp stack handle
2014-10-25T04:52:25 < englishman> i.e. if failz-> ?
2014-10-25T04:53:02 < englishman> if it gives you timeout/unreachable does your program just ignore it
2014-10-25T04:59:19 < GargantuaSauce> tcp has built in flow control but it's hard to implement reliably if you don't have much memory available for the sliding window
2014-10-25T04:59:32 < GargantuaSauce> so yeah application-level flow control would be a good idea
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2014-10-25T05:12:31 < GargantuaSauce> the tcp sliding window?
2014-10-25T05:12:48 < GargantuaSauce> of data that has been transmitted but not verified
2014-10-25T05:13:16 < GargantuaSauce> ya go read how tcp works
2014-10-25T05:13:19 < GargantuaSauce> it's pretty cool
2014-10-25T05:14:08 < GargantuaSauce> if there were unlimited resources available that would be the case
2014-10-25T05:14:46 < englishman> isnt that what the tcp stack is supposed to do? or is the tcp stack just so you can write your own tcp
2014-10-25T05:15:13 < englishman> tcp is pretty neat
2014-10-25T05:15:21 < GargantuaSauce> yeah but the tcp stack can't magically store more data than you have ram for
2014-10-25T05:15:44 < GargantuaSauce> there's probably flow control stuff in the api you aren't using but should be
2014-10-25T05:16:14 < englishman> Communication Networks: Fundamental Concepts and Key Architectures Alberto Leon-Garcia & Indra Widjaja is what i read
2014-10-25T05:18:30 < englishman> i didnt, i just read it
2014-10-25T05:18:39 < englishman> and did some maths
2014-10-25T05:18:46 < englishman> and some simulations
2014-10-25T05:18:49 < englishman> then went to bed
2014-10-25T05:27:48 < upgrdman> lol   http://i.imgur.com/TofdO9t.gifv
2014-10-25T05:30:25 < upgrdman> weird, but good, right? :)
2014-10-25T05:37:20 < upgrdman> regarding silicon IC design, anyone know why there is a "woven thread" type of pattern in the power rails (im guessing they're the power rails) ? like this:  http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Altera-epm7032-HD.jpg
2014-10-25T05:38:42 < upgrdman> the - - - - - pattern
2014-10-25T05:38:45 < englishman> its to keep the electrons aligned as they race down the traces
2014-10-25T05:41:13 < upgrdman> well i understand why it's a bus all around the perimeter, but, um... shit i don't know enough to even converse about this :/
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2014-10-25T05:42:17 < upgrdman> maybe i need a 3d view to understand. are there taps below the "thread" ?
2014-10-25T05:43:21 < PaulFertser> R2COM: do you actually check error codes when you dump your bytes?
2014-10-25T05:44:20 < PaulFertser> What exactly is unreliable? Are you missing some bytes? Or the connection is shutdown unexpectedely?
2014-10-25T05:45:20 < PaulFertser> Probably the sending process actually stops too?
2014-10-25T05:45:29 < PaulFertser> Are you using a PC as receiver or sender?
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2014-10-25T05:45:58 < dongs> englishman: http://i.imgur.com/ToHAYmp.jpg
2014-10-25T05:46:00 < dongs> duno if works yet
2014-10-25T05:47:00 < PaulFertser> So you're using some custom wifi-module-specific API over SPI to access its internal TCP/IP stack, ok.
2014-10-25T05:47:44 < PaulFertser> Is your listening socket on the PC side or on the wifi side?
2014-10-25T05:48:24 < PaulFertser> Ok, so sending side. Can you connect e.g. "telnet" to it instead of your C# app?
2014-10-25T05:49:15 < PaulFertser> Was result the same? Hm, ok, so it apparently just stops sending.
2014-10-25T05:49:24 < englishman> dongs: <3
2014-10-25T05:49:39 < englishman> whats with the shipping silk btw i dont get that one
2014-10-25T05:49:47 < PaulFertser> Try it again, just in case. It's easy to check and will rule out your possible C# errors.
2014-10-25T05:50:24 < PaulFertser> I think you must check the "send command" result code anyway. The module might be telling you that it's busy or something.
2014-10-25T05:50:38 < PaulFertser> Yes, all the continous shit.
2014-10-25T05:52:25 < PaulFertser> You can just run Wireshark on PC side to see what and when you actually receive, packet by packet, add a filter by IP to see only what's relevant.
2014-10-25T05:53:37 < PaulFertser> Do you know any your read can return less than you asked? If you wanted e.g. 16 bytes, it's perfectly ok for the socket API to give you e.g. just 1, and you have to reread for 15 then?
2014-10-25T06:04:14 < GargantuaSauce> upgrdman are you talking about the zigzag patterns next to each pad?
2014-10-25T06:06:22 < englishman> i thought he was talking about the slots in the power rails around the edge
2014-10-25T06:06:35 < dongs> fucking finally
2014-10-25T06:06:36 < dongs> works
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2014-10-25T06:06:53 < englishman> how do i get two?
2014-10-25T06:07:46 < dongs> need to get on hackaday first
2014-10-25T06:08:09 < englishman> but but preorder
2014-10-25T06:08:39 < englishman> also want some of those internet enabled dildos
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2014-10-25T06:09:23 < dongs> pics first
2014-10-25T06:09:32 < PaulFertser> dongs: so how did you like pro bluetooth stack by nrf?
2014-10-25T06:09:34 < GargantuaSauce> oh i bet the weaving is to minimize the skin effect
2014-10-25T06:09:55 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce: no, not the zig zags.
2014-10-25T06:10:08 < dongs> PaulFertser: getting to that first
2014-10-25T06:10:09 < upgrdman> the - - - - pattern in each power rail
2014-10-25T06:10:12 < dongs> PaulFertser: i made it blink led
2014-10-25T06:10:23 < upgrdman> like just below the ALTERA logo
2014-10-25T06:10:29 < upgrdman> top center-ish
2014-10-25T06:10:41 < englishman> GargantuaSauce: but, for DC current?
2014-10-25T06:10:48 < GargantuaSauce> it's not dc
2014-10-25T06:10:54 < GargantuaSauce> there's a current pulse every clock cycle
2014-10-25T06:11:10 < englishman> hmmh
2014-10-25T06:11:30 < PaulFertser> englishman: was it supposed to be IoT-connected? Does nrf stack has bluetooth NAP profile and tcp/ip implementation?
2014-10-25T06:11:31 < englishman> i wonder what's skindepth vs. metal thickness
2014-10-25T06:11:42 < englishman> PaulFertser: its a dildo, im dicking around
2014-10-25T06:12:01 < PaulFertser> englishman: I know the story. But a bluetooth dildo is not the same as IoT dildo.
2014-10-25T06:12:07 < englishman> i disagree
2014-10-25T06:12:08 < PaulFertser> Also, is that stack IPv6-enabled?
2014-10-25T06:12:19 < englishman> esp8266 whaatttt
2014-10-25T06:12:44 < PaulFertser> Also, why does dildo need a 32.768 RTC quartz?
2014-10-25T06:13:05 < englishman> PaulFertser: probably time-dependent vibrations
2014-10-25T06:13:15 < englishman> set to turn on at 3pm
2014-10-25T06:13:21 < dongs> this screen actually looks usable
2014-10-25T06:13:25 < GargantuaSauce> alarm cock
2014-10-25T06:13:51 < PaulFertser> R2COM: no, just if you got less than 16 after reading on event, read again the amount that's left, no negotiations between hosts are necessary here.
2014-10-25T06:14:27 < PaulFertser> TCP doesn't loose or reorder bytes. It's a bytes pipe. So if you push something on one side, it will go out on the other side eventually.
2014-10-25T06:14:51 < dongs> PaulFertser: to keep track when it was used
2014-10-25T06:14:54 < dongs> < PaulFertser> Also, why does dildo need a 32.768 RTC quartz?
2014-10-25T06:16:28 < upgrdman> GargantuaSauce: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/silicon.jpg
2014-10-25T06:16:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0og8590.jpg
2014-10-25T06:16:46 < GargantuaSauce> yeah i am pretty sure that's just to be like litz wire
2014-10-25T06:16:47 < PaulFertser> dongs: great idea, and upload graphs somewhere like Strava
2014-10-25T06:16:53 < dongs> yes
2014-10-25T06:16:54 < upgrdman> oh.... ok
2014-10-25T06:17:06 < PaulFertser> R2COM: no need, TCP guarantees reliability.
2014-10-25T06:17:12 < dongs> lol @ those wavy lines picked up by camera
2014-10-25T06:17:15 < englishman> dongs: so i should order panels then
2014-10-25T06:17:17 < dongs> i wonder if thats 60hz shit or wat
2014-10-25T06:17:22 < PaulFertser> So if you're sure you're sending it properly, you'll receive it as well.
2014-10-25T06:17:27 < dongs> or maybe pwm for backlight
2014-10-25T06:18:00 < dongs> englishman: next week
2014-10-25T06:18:19 < PaulFertser> R2COM: no need to reask, your PC OS should just return you what's left the next time you read.
2014-10-25T06:19:00 < PaulFertser> I do not know C#'s API to tell how to properly integrate this idea with waiting for events.
2014-10-25T06:19:14 < PaulFertser> To avoid races.
2014-10-25T06:19:16 < dongs> drawing 1A @ 9V
2014-10-25T06:19:17 < dongs> sigh
2014-10-25T06:19:36 < gxti> megapower electronics
2014-10-25T06:19:51 < dongs> shits itself at < 5.1V damn
2014-10-25T06:19:51 < englishman> man $80usd each shipped
2014-10-25T06:19:53 < dongs> so no usb
2014-10-25T06:20:06 < dongs> even tho chip spec'd for 4.7 supposedly
2014-10-25T06:20:32 < dongs> seems like 9V min before it starts to shit itself
2014-10-25T06:20:38 < PaulFertser> gtg, sigh
2014-10-25T06:20:43 < dongs> R2COM: well, it would be drawing >1.5A from USB in that case either way
2014-10-25T06:23:38 < madist> mm.Y USB cables
2014-10-25T06:33:56 < yan_> (stm32L1)if i'm trying to pwm an LED with a timer, and that led is on GPIOB, can i also have the pwm timer on GPIOB or does it need to be on a different gpio bus?
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2014-10-25T06:42:22 < upgrdman> yan_: what?
2014-10-25T06:42:41 < yan_> upgrdman: timers are used as alternate functions of gpio pins, no?
2014-10-25T06:42:50 < upgrdman> you just use a gpio that can be AF'd to the timer you wish to use
2014-10-25T06:43:43 < yan_> upgrdman: yep, but i can use a timer on GPIOB if i'm also using i2c and an led on GPIOB, right?
2014-10-25T06:44:00 < upgrdman> i dont see why not. i've only used the f0 and f4 though.
2014-10-25T06:44:09 < GargantuaSauce> different pins on an io port are more or less independent
2014-10-25T06:44:13 < upgrdman> AF's are per pin, not per gpio channel
2014-10-25T06:44:17 < upgrdman> ya
2014-10-25T06:45:00 < yan_> GPIOA and GPIOB are just on different peripheral clocks?
2014-10-25T06:45:35 < GargantuaSauce> yeah and have separate control registers
2014-10-25T06:48:18 < dongs> http://www.tarduino.cc/2014/10/chromebook-pixel-2560x1700-lcd-to.html blogged
2014-10-25T06:49:36 < upgrdman> dongs: what's IC3 do?
2014-10-25T06:49:52 < dongs> thats the led driver?
2014-10-25T06:51:21 < upgrdman> the SOP8 is a SMPS controller, right?
2014-10-25T06:53:54 < dongs> yeah, anyV -> 3.3
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2014-10-25T06:56:08 < upgrdman> so the LED driver takes the 3.3V, and current limits the LEDs, right?
2014-10-25T06:58:00 < dongs> no it takes whatever V and current limits hte leds
2014-10-25T06:59:09 < upgrdman> so the smps is just to power the stm32?
2014-10-25T06:59:24 < dongs> and panel..
2014-10-25T07:00:10 < upgrdman> oh yes of course :)
2014-10-25T07:01:36 < upgrdman> i wonder when the 5k imac panels will show up on ebay...
2014-10-25T07:09:50 < madist> what is this crap. 3000 pixel thumbnails ?
2014-10-25T07:10:01 < madist> dongswebdesign fails.
2014-10-25T07:12:21 < upgrdman> looks good on a retina display. i for one welcome our high-res-thumbnail overlords
2014-10-25T07:13:17 < GargantuaSauce> it's just conveniently caching the full image for when you click on it!
2014-10-25T07:14:05 < PeterM> dongs: is this you http://questionablecontent.net/comics/2818.png
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2014-10-25T07:15:49 < dongs> lewl
2014-10-25T07:16:32 < englishman> oooh need cablez
2014-10-25T07:16:44 < englishman> dongsfab exclusives
2014-10-25T07:16:49 < GargantuaSauce> that reminds me, you're gonna need a full motion control platform for the pro edition http://a.pomf.se/kecnhj.webm
2014-10-25T07:19:16 < upgrdman> yay, my link is back!
2014-10-25T07:19:58 < GargantuaSauce> i set it aside for a rainy day
2014-10-25T07:20:04 < upgrdman> i should collaborate with one of the mech eng students and build one of those on campus
2014-10-25T07:20:17 < GargantuaSauce> how unambitious
2014-10-25T07:20:20 < GargantuaSauce> build an army of them
2014-10-25T07:20:35 < upgrdman> autonomous, and internet connected
2014-10-25T07:20:52 < upgrdman> summon an army of dildo twirlers with your phone!!! think of the possibiltiies!
2014-10-25T07:21:22 < upgrdman> rotfl   http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm52657UDw1qdqcy0o1_500.gif
2014-10-25T07:22:36 < yan_> once i configure a timer for PWM, how do i specify which GPIO it actually PWMs?
2014-10-25T07:22:42 < yan_> or do i need to toggle it in the ISR?
2014-10-25T07:24:03 < upgrdman> the AF connects a pin to a timer number and channel
2014-10-25T07:24:10 < upgrdman> e.g. TIM2CH1
2014-10-25T07:25:34 < yan_> upgrdman: so, for instance, if i want to PWM pin PB6, i look up in the spec sheet which pin has a timer channel on it, and configure that one? i.e. in the case of PB6 it's TIM4_CH1
2014-10-25T07:25:54 < upgrdman> yes
2014-10-25T07:26:05 < upgrdman> so you config TIM4 and set the gpio AF accordingly
2014-10-25T07:26:51 < upgrdman> *very* shitty code for f0, see my void timer_pwm_setup() here:
2014-10-25T07:26:58 < yan_> upgrdman: neat, thank you. (again, in my case TIM4 looks like it's on AF2)
2014-10-25T07:26:58 < upgrdman> https://github.com/farrellf/Servo_Tester/blob/master/f0lib/f0lib_timers.c
2014-10-25T07:28:49 < yan_> upgrdman: and a silly question, but does the prescaler divide the clock or multiply it? it divides, right?
2014-10-25T07:28:58 < upgrdman> div
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2014-10-25T07:36:16 < dongs> man what the fuck
2014-10-25T07:36:25 < dongs> holes on rapeberrypi B+ are not M3
2014-10-25T07:36:31 < dongs> they're just small enough so shit doesnt fit
2014-10-25T07:37:11 < englishman> probably some british unit due to being designed by people riding horses
2014-10-25T07:42:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Wp4Ytpz.jpg also ready
2014-10-25T07:43:06 < dongs> but i'm missing that stepup shit cuz chinagirl fucked up and sent wrong thing
2014-10-25T07:43:09 < dongs> so no fun until next week
2014-10-25T07:43:54 < englishman> theres more chips on that than the rageberrypi itself
2014-10-25T07:43:54 < englishman> whats it for
2014-10-25T07:43:58 < dongs> LOl
2014-10-25T07:44:14 < upgrdman> good idea to have traces so close to that milled slot?
2014-10-25T07:44:29 < PeterM> yeah dingle whats it do?
2014-10-25T07:44:31 < dongs> i'm not fabbing in china so yea
2014-10-25T07:44:58 < yan_> hmm am i doing something wrong in config_blink() here.. (using libopencm3): https://gist.github.com/yan/78613fe89e376f2b692a
2014-10-25T07:45:02 < yan_> getting no pulses on PB7 or 7
2014-10-25T07:46:58 < upgrdman> yan_: i would start by looking at your TIM and GPIO register, and see how they compare to how my function would config them.
2014-10-25T07:47:54 < upgrdman> also, if you're using one of the "advanced" timer you need to assert the main output enable bit for anything to work
2014-10-25T07:48:06 < dongs> yes
2014-10-25T07:48:29 < dongs> which discovery is taht
2014-10-25T07:48:59 < dongs> upgrdman: tim4 doesnt need BTER or wahtever shit.
2014-10-25T07:49:02 < dongs> only TIM1/TIM8
2014-10-25T07:49:05 < upgrdman> k
2014-10-25T07:51:51 < yan_> upgrdman: it's a general purpose timer
2014-10-25T07:52:49 < upgrdman> ok. well i would start pouring through the TIM and GPIO registers
2014-10-25T07:52:54 < upgrdman> with debugger.
2014-10-25T07:53:01 < dongs> yan_: what calls config_blink/blink_task
2014-10-25T07:53:05 < dongs> are tehy even being execused
2014-10-25T07:53:06 < dongs> executed
2014-10-25T07:54:29 < yan_> dongs: yeah, task_blink is a freertos task that gets created separately
2014-10-25T07:54:33 < yan_> i set a bp there, it runs
2014-10-25T07:57:36 < upgrdman> anyone know of a good source for cheap project boxes? ebay has a variety, but unsure of quality.
2014-10-25T07:58:41 < GargantuaSauce> i think i got a couple of decent ones from...jameco?
2014-10-25T07:59:05 < madist> Hammond has some.
2014-10-25T07:59:22 < PeterM> upgrdman: ask dongs
2014-10-25T07:59:33 < dongs> dongs cases arent cheap
2014-10-25T07:59:56 < upgrdman> im paying $8 for some 5"x3"x1" shit made in the usa :/
2014-10-25T08:00:09 < upgrdman> serpac iirc
2014-10-25T08:00:39 < GargantuaSauce> just get some really big heatshrink tube
2014-10-25T08:00:53 < upgrdman> i have some 3" heatshrink :) but ya...
2014-10-25T08:04:02 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuIM4cZCYAE7uuR.png:large haha
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2014-10-25T08:17:47 < upgrdman> shit. just found the enclosure i like on mouser, for half of what i have been paying.
2014-10-25T08:18:11 < PeterM> product lead time: 104+ weeks
2014-10-25T08:18:22 < upgrdman> in stock too :)
2014-10-25T08:22:45 < GargantuaSauce> now you just need to make a $200 order to get free shipping
2014-10-25T08:23:34 < upgrdman> they do free shipping?
2014-10-25T08:23:59 < upgrdman> if people keep buying my servo tester thinggy i can easily do $200 in parts.
2014-10-25T08:24:35 < madist> there was some scam on digikey where they couldn't process shipping charges if you paid by cheque. Mail in your payment by cheque and bam! free shipping.
2014-10-25T08:27:09 < zyp> you don't get free shipping normally?
2014-10-25T08:27:26 < GargantuaSauce> it is free with a >$200 order, for me at least
2014-10-25T08:27:27 < upgrdman> well i often but ~50$ at a time. like $5 to ship
2014-10-25T08:27:37 < GargantuaSauce> and you're an awful lot closer to texas than i am
2014-10-25T08:28:04 < zyp> it's free with a $85 order or so for me
2014-10-25T08:28:13 < zyp> and shipping is probably >$30 if not
2014-10-25T08:28:19 < upgrdman> i wish they would highlight this shit on their home page
2014-10-25T08:28:20 < zyp> so it doesn't make sense to order for less
2014-10-25T08:28:26 < upgrdman> i would have rounded up my orders
2014-10-25T08:28:51 < GargantuaSauce> yeah it's weird that they don't make it more explicit
2014-10-25T08:29:10 < ReadError> its never free for me ;(
2014-10-25T08:29:25 < ReadError> $200+ orders even
2014-10-25T08:29:39 < upgrdman> you outside usa?
2014-10-25T08:29:46 < ReadError> nah inside
2014-10-25T08:29:55 < ReadError> but priority is cheap so w/e
2014-10-25T08:50:58 < PaulFertser> R2COM: what I really wanted to say is this: when you get some signal that your socket has new data, it means it has some data, but you never know how many bytes exactly. And while you're handling the signal how do you make sure you do not miss the next one? Testing with telnet will help to figure out if there're any issues with your firmware, SPI, custom wifi module protocol etc handling, and,
2014-10-25T08:51:04 < PaulFertser> assuming there're none, you can concentrate on C# stuff.
2014-10-25T08:53:45 < ReadError> upgrdman what kind of servo tester?
2014-10-25T08:53:51 < ReadError> hobby or industrial servo
2014-10-25T08:56:08 < upgrdman> hobby
2014-10-25T08:56:27 < ReadError> oh got a link?
2014-10-25T08:57:24 < upgrdman> one sec
2014-10-25T08:57:39 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axYgyjWLWhE
2014-10-25T08:58:41 < ReadError> oh kewl
2014-10-25T08:58:51 < ReadError> should throw an sbus programmer on it :)
2014-10-25T08:59:19 < dongs> http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=69&doc_id=1321332&cid=SM_ELE_EET_Edit whoa this ia a pretty good read for R2COM constant spamming of allegro shit
2014-10-25T08:59:23 < upgrdman> i have no futaba stuff, but ya i suppose i would figure that out
2014-10-25T08:59:39 < ReadError> upgrdman maybe something to bind to spek sats
2014-10-25T09:12:02 < PaulFertser> R2COM: are you using BeginReceive with 16 bytes buffers? In this case it seems it should work properly, as you expect it.
2014-10-25T09:13:01 < PaulFertser> As it doeswhat I described earlier internally.
2014-10-25T09:14:48 < PaulFertser> Hm, actually no :) It's trickier than that, see: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dxkwh6zw%28v=vs.110%29.aspx for a proper example.
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2014-10-25T09:25:52 < PaulFertser> In callback you do EndReceive, and you get some amount of bytes, not necessarily 16, and then you proceed with reading further with new BeginReceive call, passing a newly-created async callback to it. So it's all just as I described before (based on my general knowledge of TCP APIs and implementations).
2014-10-25T09:26:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, what tools do you use on PC when you write some software to communicate with your innovative products?
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2014-10-25T09:53:18 < dongs> PaulFertser: visual studio of course
2014-10-25T09:56:00 < PaulFertser> dongs: C# + WPF/XAML?
2014-10-25T09:56:16 < dongs> C isia;;y
2014-10-25T09:56:17 < dongs> errr
2014-10-25T09:56:19 < dongs> C usually
2014-10-25T09:58:04 < PaulFertser> Plain C for GUI apps?
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2014-10-25T10:23:42 < GargantuaSauce> wxgtk!
2014-10-25T10:43:34 < dongs> dildo baggins
2014-10-25T10:50:19 < GargantuaSauce> a dildo a day keeps the doctor away
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2014-10-25T11:16:10 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/FgYhJYH.jpg i dont even know where to start
2014-10-25T11:19:21 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/4kigALz
2014-10-25T11:19:43 < dongs> i have the box right here.
2014-10-25T11:25:00 < GargantuaSauce> sentimental engrish is best engrish
2014-10-25T11:25:14 < dongs> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?t=crmtb01&f=ob&i=my%20little%20pony%20curve
2014-10-25T11:27:43 < GargantuaSauce> shitty implementation
2014-10-25T11:27:54 < PeterM> wtf am i looking at
2014-10-25T11:27:56 < GargantuaSauce> i am sure those have a lower kolmogorov complexity than those huge parametric plots
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2014-10-25T11:43:53 < madist> "This feature needs a Wolfram Alpha Premium Subscription, to continue please enter your balls here:"
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2014-10-25T12:54:33 < dongs> zyp: http://i.imgur.com/SWjnTac.jpg y/n/m
2014-10-25T12:54:36 < dongs> drawn by a pro irc EE
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2014-10-25T13:41:59 < jpa-> dongs: i don't think the pull-up/pulldown on fet gates will work like that :D
2014-10-25T13:44:39 < dongs> i duno its worth a shot at least simming @ falstad
2014-10-25T13:45:32 < dongs> do you think its fail?
2014-10-25T13:46:19 < madist> can't you just google mosfet push-pull or mosfet totem pole
2014-10-25T13:46:23 < GargantuaSauce> well ok so say the mcu is starting up or whatever and the output is floating
2014-10-25T13:46:31 < GargantuaSauce> vgs will be 1/2 vcc for both fets
2014-10-25T13:46:34 < GargantuaSauce> they may both be partially on
2014-10-25T13:46:56 < dongs> well isnt waht pulldown for hten
2014-10-25T13:46:56 < GargantuaSauce> but look on the bright side, it'll be a 100% efficient heater
2014-10-25T13:47:02 < dongs> hEH
2014-10-25T13:47:08 < Thorn> dongs @ mission control http://xkcd.com/1438/
2014-10-25T13:47:41 < GargantuaSauce> the pullup/pulldown would work if you used a separate io for each gate, but in that case you'd need to prevent shoot through in software of course
2014-10-25T13:47:56 < madist> there will be shoot through anyway
2014-10-25T13:48:09 < madist> because of overlap in the on/off threshold voltage fo the two gates
2014-10-25T13:49:08 < GargantuaSauce> which is why the software would need to have a delay between switching one off and the other on
2014-10-25T13:50:01 < madist> I mean with a single I/O you can't avoid shoot through
2014-10-25T13:58:30 < jpa-> with single io and just a pull-up or just a pull-down it would work also
2014-10-25T14:04:57 < madist> if both gates are at the same voltage at the same time
2014-10-25T14:05:20 < madist> then it can't work. unless you switch fast and hope for the best.
2014-10-25T14:06:22 < Thorn> isn't this how all cmos electronics works
2014-10-25T14:07:16 < GargantuaSauce> not by tying the gates to a voltage divider ;)
2014-10-25T14:09:36 < GargantuaSauce> otherwise yes. and the shoot through is minimized by careful control of the parameters of each fet i think
2014-10-25T14:09:50 < GargantuaSauce> to a degree which is not feasible with discrete ones
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2014-10-25T14:10:24 < madist> GargantuaSauce: you do semiconductor design in your day job ?
2014-10-25T14:10:37 < GargantuaSauce> no i just like to talk out my ass a lot
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2014-10-25T14:13:45 < jpa-> the shoot-through is pretty minimal usually
2014-10-25T14:14:02 < jpa-> even with discretes and without any particularly careful design
2014-10-25T14:14:33 < GargantuaSauce> tell that to the scorch mark on my breadboard
2014-10-25T14:14:50 < GargantuaSauce> guess it's a different story when the gate capacitance gets pretty high
2014-10-25T14:15:09 < jpa-> yes, if your driver is too slow versus the gate capacitance, you'll lose in every case
2014-10-25T14:15:23 < jpa-> even with a single fet, you'll burn it by too slow switching
2014-10-25T14:15:42 < madist> that's why I use IRF240s for all my circuits
2014-10-25T14:15:51 < madist> :p
2014-10-25T14:16:15 < jpa-> yeah they work great as capacitors
2014-10-25T14:16:19 < jpa-> not as great as fets ;)
2014-10-25T14:34:01 < scummos> hi! I'm still struggling with USB on the LPC4333. I got an example from lpcopen working, but it only runs in full-speed mode (I need high-speed). I have absolutely no idea what might cause it not to use high-speed -- the device does not seem to send the chirp sequence during a reset. Only thing I found is the "force full-speed" bit in the PORTSC1_D register, but that is definitely not set. any other ideas what might cause this?
2014-10-25T14:34:30 < scummos> I considered clocking or power supply as possible issues, but all seems fine there
2014-10-25T14:35:07 < scummos> the only remaining explanation I can come up with would be physical damage to the high-speed part of the USB PHY, but that sounds kind of far-fetched
2014-10-25T14:35:50 < scummos> in full-speed everything works perfectly fine
2014-10-25T14:38:29 < scummos> dp, dm are simply connected to the USB plug without any extra circuitry (that's what I understood from the user manual), vbus is connected directly to the vbus pin and also supplies power for the board through a 3.3V linear regulator
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2014-10-25T14:44:19 < Thorn> http://jakubsan.tumblr.com/
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2014-10-25T14:49:30 < jpa-> scummos: and other high-speed devices work on the host port?
2014-10-25T14:49:43 < scummos> jpa-: yes
2014-10-25T14:49:47 < scummos> I checked with a hard drive
2014-10-25T14:50:08 < scummos> also, I do not see the high-speed chirp sequence on an oscilloscope, so I suspect the device does not even try to initiate high-speed
2014-10-25T14:56:07 < scummos> and since the user manual does not list any condition under which this happens except the bit in that config regsiter (which is not set) I am very confused
2014-10-25T14:57:38 < scummos> I guess I will have to order new parts and build a second board, to exclude a hardware defect ...
2014-10-25T14:59:58 < jpa-> i wonder what would happen if you put FORCE_ENABLE_HS in PORTSC1_D
2014-10-25T15:01:32 < scummos> jpa-: I'll test, wait a moment :-)
2014-10-25T15:03:16 < jpa-> i don't even know what should happen ;)
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2014-10-25T15:05:01 < scummos> jpa-: for what I understood from the user manual, it should not send the high-speed device identification sequence in the beginning and thus pretend it doesn't support high-speed
2014-10-25T15:05:12 < scummos> but it does already do so for whatever reason
2014-10-25T15:05:16 < scummos> so I would expect nothing to happen
2014-10-25T15:05:40 < jpa-> i was thinking about the HS test mode in the same register, not the force FS bit
2014-10-25T15:06:52 < scummos> ah! sorry
2014-10-25T15:07:01 < scummos> yes, setting force FS bit does nothing, as expected
2014-10-25T15:09:20 < scummos> jpa-: pretty much nothing happens, both dp and dm just stay low
2014-10-25T15:09:31 < scummos> I guess that is what one would expect, since that's the default state in FS mode
2014-10-25T15:09:37 < scummos> and the host controller doesn't notice a device gets attached
2014-10-25T15:09:38 < dongs> isnt this  LPC4433 or whatever?
2014-10-25T15:09:44 < dongs> zyp should be an expert on tha
2014-10-25T15:09:45 < scummos> lpc4333
2014-10-25T15:09:45 < dongs> t
2014-10-25T15:09:49  * Laurenceb__ puts BBB in bin
2014-10-25T15:09:56 < Laurenceb__> piece of bricked junk
2014-10-25T15:10:01 < dongs> i recall it having two usb cores or something
2014-10-25T15:10:03 < dongs> and only one can do HS
2014-10-25T15:10:06 < scummos> yes, it has
2014-10-25T15:10:13 < scummos> but I use USB0, the one which has on-chip high-speed PHY
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2014-10-25T15:11:39 < scummos> jpa-: sorry, "that's the default state in HS mode", I meant to say
2014-10-25T15:12:50 < dongs> ohh
2014-10-25T15:12:55 < dongs> SDK for esp8266 is out
2014-10-25T15:14:34 < jpa-> scummos: do you have "USB_OTHER_SPEED_CONFIGURATION" in your code?
2014-10-25T15:14:37 < ReadError> Laurenceb__ u can fix
2014-10-25T15:14:40 < ReadError> use the microSD
2014-10-25T15:14:42 < ReadError> and boot button
2014-10-25T15:14:50 < Laurenceb__> yeah i know
2014-10-25T15:14:55 < Laurenceb__> ive done this already
2014-10-25T15:15:00 < Laurenceb__> i dont have time for this
2014-10-25T15:15:15 < ReadError> but you have time to lunix desktop??
2014-10-25T15:15:26 < Laurenceb__> im not sure 3.17.1-bone4 will even fit on the eMMC
2014-10-25T15:15:41 < Laurenceb__> i dont have a week to spend on speculative stuff that is unlikely to work
2014-10-25T15:15:43 < scummos> jpa-: no, I have not. I have experimented a bit with the descriptors, but I do not understand how the descriptor could affect this: after all, the high-speed handshake happens _before_ any data transfer, no?
2014-10-25T15:15:49 < Laurenceb__> so BBB -> bin
2014-10-25T15:15:56 < Laurenceb__> time for stm32f4
2014-10-25T15:16:13 < jpa-> scummos: you are using the LPC usb stack in rom? maybe it does something funny with the descriptor
2014-10-25T15:16:16 < Laurenceb__> and i will see if gopro can make some custom firmware
2014-10-25T15:16:22 < Laurenceb__> if i pay them lots of money
2014-10-25T15:16:32 < scummos> jpa-: no, I don't think I'm using that -- I use the software implementation from lpcopen
2014-10-25T15:16:57 < scummos> here's the descriptor: http://paste.kde.org/ptwxvwlmo/nmkepd/raw
2014-10-25T15:18:02 < scummos> I tried sending a "device qualifier" descriptor
2014-10-25T15:18:24 < jpa-> can you link to the docs for the usb stack you are using?
2014-10-25T15:20:22 < scummos> http://docs.lpcware.com/lpcopen/v1.03/
2014-10-25T15:20:52 < scummos> or more specifically http://docs.lpcware.com/lpcopen/v1.03/group___l_p_c_u_s_blib.html
2014-10-25T15:21:01 < dongs> guise
2014-10-25T15:21:02 < dongs> new innovation
2014-10-25T15:21:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QnRHcKj.jpg how about this
2014-10-25T15:21:59 < scummos> jpa-: for some funny reason I do not understand it does not correctly configure the USB PLL in its setup routine, I had to do that myself
2014-10-25T15:22:11 < jpa-> hmm
2014-10-25T15:22:43 < jpa-> how is your LPCUSBlibConfig.h?
2014-10-25T15:23:00 < scummos> all default, didn't change it
2014-10-25T15:24:27 < scummos> I build with a custom makefile though, couldn't get any of the IDEs build systems to work on linux
2014-10-25T15:24:41 < dongs> snort
2014-10-25T15:24:41 < scummos> but that has limited potential for screw-ups as well I guess ...
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2014-10-25T15:25:54 < scummos> maybe it only supports high-speed when using the drivers from ROM? but that is not mentioned anywhere
2014-10-25T15:26:10 < jpa-> would seem strange
2014-10-25T15:27:44 < scummos> yes, very
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2014-10-25T15:33:05 < scummos> no, doesn't seem to make a difference
2014-10-25T15:34:48 < scummos> I also seem to be the only person on the planet with this problem, which is even more confusing
2014-10-25T15:35:19 < jpa-> http://www.lpcware.com/content/forum/embedded-artists-lpc4357-usb-high-speed-issues   not only, an he also suspects clocking problems
2014-10-25T15:39:09 < scummos> hm, no, to be honest I think that is a different problem
2014-10-25T15:39:36 < scummos> his device tries to run in HS mode, but fails -- maybe bad crystal, or bad cable
2014-10-25T15:39:44 < scummos> mine doesn't even attempt to initialize HS mode
2014-10-25T15:39:44 < jpa-> true
2014-10-25T15:41:25 < scummos> I guess I should really build a second board to ensure it's not a hardware defect before debugging this further. except somebody has a bright idea of course ( zyp was mentioned to be very knowledgeable about this? :-) )
2014-10-25T15:42:43 < scummos> although USB seems quite robust to me on the physical layer
2014-10-25T15:43:47 < Thorn> have you tried multiple host ports
2014-10-25T15:44:28 < scummos> Thorn: yes, and also tested the host port with different devices -- there HS works
2014-10-25T15:44:46 < Thorn> errata for the chip may also be interesting
2014-10-25T15:44:56 < scummos> and I looked at the data lines with a scope during reset, the HS handshake is not happening
2014-10-25T15:45:11 < scummos> thanks, good idea, I'll look there
2014-10-25T15:46:47 < Thorn> rebooted my phone -> battery drain is ~3 times slower
2014-10-25T15:46:58 < Thorn> loldroid
2014-10-25T15:46:59 < dongs> thats normal
2014-10-25T15:47:01 < scummos> heh
2014-10-25T15:47:02 < dongs> you probably had some lunix aids
2014-10-25T15:47:04 < dongs> running in background
2014-10-25T15:47:18 < scummos> re errata: nope, there is something about USB, but only host mode
2014-10-25T15:51:16 < Thorn> maybe your hs phy isn't enabled somehow. lpc11xx and 17xx have both power and clock control for some peripherals, I assume 43xx do too
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2014-10-25T15:52:39 < scummos> Thorn: that seems like the most likely explanation, yes. However I can't come up with anything which is actually wrong there. In the user manual, almost nothing is specific to FS/HS, it's all common
2014-10-25T15:52:50 < scummos> at least for USB0
2014-10-25T15:54:53 < scummos> the bootloader should use high-speed as well
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2014-10-25T15:55:16 < scummos> unfortunately, I can't really get reliable information from there, because my crystal frequency is wrong so it doesn't work anyways
2014-10-25T15:55:41 < scummos> but during the reset, I do not see any HS handshake either
2014-10-25T15:55:59 < scummos> then again, that doesn't really mean much, the clocking is wrong and I guess anything could happen
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2014-10-25T16:06:49 < dongs> oh wat
2014-10-25T16:10:27 < dongs> http://blog.revolutionanalytics.com/2014/01/the-fourier-transform-explained-in-one-sentence.html
2014-10-25T16:17:21 < scummos> hah, nice
2014-10-25T16:34:10 < dongs> https://www.google.com/search?q="i%27m+no+expert%2C+but"+inurl%3Ablog
2014-10-25T16:34:32 < dongs> found zyp's blog http://jmp.no/blog/im-no-expert-but
2014-10-25T16:35:58 < Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2014/10/24/using-excel-to-watch-movies-at-work/
2014-10-25T16:36:53 < dongs> old
2014-10-25T16:36:54 < dongs> also fake
2014-10-25T16:37:02 < dongs> locked down system and mkv decoder installed
2014-10-25T16:37:04 < dongs> seems legit.
2014-10-25T16:37:24 < scummos> bah, windows security, you know :-)
2014-10-25T16:37:32 < dongs> that you can make COM objects and call their methods in excel: news about as old as excel
2014-10-25T16:37:57 < dongs> hell, there's probably VB code to fire up wmp control and load/play file in it all over google
2014-10-25T16:38:06 < dongs> paste that into VBA, add shit to update graph, done
2014-10-25T16:53:07 < dongs> http://jmp.no/blog/raspberry-coding-bare-bones huh this is interesting if there was code
2014-10-25T16:53:20 < dongs> i briefly looked at that stuff but it seemed like too much work
2014-10-25T16:53:27 < dongs> and not enough docs from broadcsum
2014-10-25T16:54:33 < Thorn> use allwinner
2014-10-25T16:55:04 < scummos> cool
2014-10-25T16:55:22 < scummos> unfortunately true real-time seems to be unachieveable with the rpi from what I heard
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2014-10-25T17:02:57 < PaulFertser> scummos: I wonder if Xenomai runs on ARM yet.
2014-10-25T17:04:08 < PaulFertser> scummos: it has a port for rpi all right: http://xenomai.org/embedded-hardware/#Supported_Evaluation_Boards
2014-10-25T17:04:19 < PaulFertser> scummos: so, isn't it true hard realtime?
2014-10-25T17:04:38 < dongs> um
2014-10-25T17:04:39 < dongs> its lunix
2014-10-25T17:04:39 < dongs> lol
2014-10-25T17:04:45 < dongs> i thought you linked something useful
2014-10-25T17:04:46 < PaulFertser> dongs: no, it's not what you think.
2014-10-25T17:05:07 < dongs> dont think so
2014-10-25T17:05:08 < PaulFertser> dongs: it is a proper hard realtime scheduler running Linux (the kernel) as one of low-priority tasks.
2014-10-25T17:05:23 < scummos> I was thinking that the pi has firmware which shares memory between the CPU and GPU which might randomly basically turn the CPU off for a few cycles or something like that
2014-10-25T17:05:43 < PaulFertser> So you get hard realtime guarantees for the tasks you need realtime plus all the stuff like hostapd, bluetoothd, iptables, ipsec etc for free from Linux, the kernel.
2014-10-25T17:05:57 < dongs> (you forgot systemd)
2014-10-25T17:06:17 < PaulFertser> scummos: well, yes, the video core can do that but does it actually in real-life embedded situations?
2014-10-25T17:06:33 < scummos> PaulFertser: you can't turn it off so I think yes
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2014-10-25T17:06:40 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, running systemd now as I'm on Debian testing and so far it seems not bad, boots way faster than before.
2014-10-25T17:06:40 < scummos> the analog video is always on
2014-10-25T17:06:50 < PaulFertser> scummos: but if it doesn't output anything?
2014-10-25T17:07:06 < scummos> doesn't it always output something?
2014-10-25T17:07:45 < scummos> I'm not an expert, really, but last I heard about hard realtime on the pi was "can't do it, the graphics firmware stops you from doing so"
2014-10-25T17:08:17 < PaulFertser> dongs: also Xenomai allows one to have a normal userspace app to be scheduled by rtos, so you can get amazing features with little effort.
2014-10-25T17:08:30 < PaulFertser> You can just blank the output, then it shouldn't do anything.
2014-10-25T17:09:01 < scummos> it's not that simple, otherwise that wouldn't have been the official statement for so long
2014-10-25T17:09:05 < dongs> PaulFertser: i can get amazing features with windows 8.1
2014-10-25T17:09:06 < scummos> but it's possible the situation got better of course
2014-10-25T17:09:12 < PaulFertser> http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/rpi/rpi-rtperf.html results for xenomai seems decent
2014-10-25T17:09:40 < PaulFertser> dongs: lolwhat? Not on embedded, right? Also, no hard realtime guarantees at all ever anywhere?
2014-10-25T17:09:44 < PaulFertser> (except for the old wince)
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2014-10-25T17:32:17 < dongs> so when are we going to send Laurenceb__ out into space
2014-10-25T17:32:26 < dongs> I'll host kickstarter for it
2014-10-25T17:32:34 < dongs> Laurenceb on a helium baloon
2014-10-25T17:33:18 < dongs> PaulFertser: isnt lunixcnc some joke where they bitbang paralell port
2014-10-25T17:33:38 < dongs> in 2014
2014-10-25T17:41:03 < Thorn> we need to send dongs in a dick-shaped suit
2014-10-25T17:50:22 < jpa-> dongs: it can also run on e.g. beaglebone and use native gpio
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2014-10-25T17:55:08 < zyp> dongs, to get rid of him, you mean?
2014-10-25T17:57:16 < Posterdati> hi
2014-10-25T17:57:53 < emeb> lo
2014-10-25T17:58:52 < Posterdati> so why activate on falling edge
2014-10-25T18:00:02 < Posterdati> ?
2014-10-25T18:00:38 < emeb> falling edge of what?
2014-10-25T18:01:12 < Posterdati> of greetings
2014-10-25T18:01:25 < emeb> hrhr
2014-10-25T18:03:53 < Thorn> DDR greetings
2014-10-25T18:04:46 < Posterdati> I prefer slime salutation
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2014-10-25T18:13:16 < emeb> asynch all the way baybee
2014-10-25T18:13:29 < Laurenceb__> dongs: I will need a beaglebone
2014-10-25T18:13:36 < Laurenceb__> before im getting anywhere
2014-10-25T18:13:57 < emeb> porque un beaglebone?
2014-10-25T18:14:25 < Laurenceb__> dunno lol
2014-10-25T18:14:34 < englishman> so he can be pro
2014-10-25T18:14:57 < Laurenceb__> or fail harder
2014-10-25T18:15:00 < Laurenceb__> as the cas eis atm
2014-10-25T18:15:04 < Laurenceb__> *case
2014-10-25T18:15:26 < Laurenceb__> looks like i need a pre built 3.17.1 image
2014-10-25T18:15:57 < emeb> all the pros use rpi
2014-10-25T18:16:13 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-10-25T18:16:18 < Laurenceb__> not enough io
2014-10-25T18:16:29 < Laurenceb__> i cant find a way to flash it would bricking it
2014-10-25T18:16:33 < Laurenceb__> *winthout
2014-10-25T18:16:36 < emeb> spi + hc595 all the things
2014-10-25T18:18:52 < emeb> flash what - beaglebone?
2014-10-25T18:19:04 < emeb> what's hard about that? I do it all the time.
2014-10-25T18:19:38 < Laurenceb__> oh
2014-10-25T18:19:47 < Laurenceb__> i cant find a 3.17.1 image
2014-10-25T18:19:50 < Laurenceb__> for flashing
2014-10-25T18:20:17 < Laurenceb__> there is an image to download from the beaglebone site that does eMMC flash, but usb host is broken
2014-10-25T18:20:42 < emeb> why do you need 3.17.1?
2014-10-25T18:21:00 < Laurenceb__> as supposedly it fixed usb host
2014-10-25T18:21:17 < Laurenceb__> but there isnt enough spare eMMC to upgrade to it
2014-10-25T18:21:25 < Laurenceb__> so i need a 3.17.1 flasher image
2014-10-25T18:22:06 < emeb> weird - host has always worked for me, but maybe it's glitchy
2014-10-25T18:22:16 < Laurenceb__> yeah, it can be made to work
2014-10-25T18:22:24 < Laurenceb__> i think its partly a GoPro issue
2014-10-25T18:22:34 < Laurenceb__> it violates usb spec
2014-10-25T18:22:39 < emeb> naturally
2014-10-25T18:22:48 < Laurenceb__> and it seems to port is too clever for its own good, and shuts down automatically
2014-10-25T18:23:00 < Laurenceb__> i can brute force it back on
2014-10-25T18:23:10 < Laurenceb__> but due to other glitches it only works once
2014-10-25T18:23:50 < emeb> can you patch an existing eMMC flasher image to load the new kernel?
2014-10-25T18:24:04 < Laurenceb__> also i cant reset the usb because 1) newer kernels dont allow you to 2) that also breaks the usb
2014-10-25T18:24:15 < Laurenceb__> i can reset usb be hacking registers using a c program
2014-10-25T18:24:18 < Laurenceb__> *by
2014-10-25T18:24:25 < Laurenceb__> but it breaks afterwards
2014-10-25T18:25:03 < Laurenceb__> yeah ill need to patch something... or find the script for generating the images
2014-10-25T18:25:45 < emeb> or better yet, just get the uSD card image and boot from that, then get in and mangle the eMMC by hand with the new kernel.
2014-10-25T18:26:03 < Laurenceb__> eeek
2014-10-25T18:26:15 < Laurenceb__> actually there might be a script for that...
2014-10-25T18:26:42 < emeb> just look at the script on the eMMC flasher image - it should have the details.
2014-10-25T18:26:48 < Laurenceb__> ok
2014-10-25T18:28:22 < emeb> only problem with doing that would be if the kernel image is stored in a way that leaves no room for a slightly larger one.
2014-10-25T18:29:01 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2014-10-25T18:29:34 < Laurenceb__> atm my BBB is at work, and seems to be in a reboot loop lol
2014-10-25T18:31:04 < emeb> when you plug the BBB into a host port on your machine it exposes the boot partition
2014-10-25T18:31:28 < emeb> you should be able to just get in and load a different kernel image, no?
2014-10-25T18:33:23 < Laurenceb__> hmm
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2014-10-25T18:36:02 < Laurenceb__> good idea
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2014-10-25T18:38:52 < Laurenceb__> atm i have it in some sort of loop with the older kernel images and a newer kernel installed on the other partition
2014-10-25T18:41:10 < Laurenceb__> i dont have a clue how this works
2014-10-25T18:41:35 < Laurenceb__> does the kernel image need to match the stuff in the other partition ("Linux" partition)
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2014-10-25T18:44:52 < Laurenceb__> i guess i wont chuck it yet
2014-10-25T18:45:10 < Laurenceb__> if i havent fixed this by tuesday its stm32 time instead
2014-10-25T18:45:23 < Laurenceb__> BBB sucks
2014-10-25T18:53:44 < emeb> the kernel generally doesn't have to match the stuff in the root partition
2014-10-25T18:54:23 < emeb> I've updated kernels periodically while keeping the same stuff in root
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2014-10-25T18:58:46 < Laurenceb__> how odd
2014-10-25T18:58:54 < Laurenceb__> dunno why its in a reboot loop then
2014-10-25T18:59:00 < Laurenceb__> unless it isnt
2014-10-25T18:59:08 < Laurenceb__> and ubuntu network manager is in a loop
2014-10-25T18:59:14 < Laurenceb__> ive had that happen before
2014-10-25T18:59:25 < emeb> ah - you're using ubuntu.
2014-10-25T18:59:31 < Laurenceb__> dunno how to fix it other than rebooting the PC
2014-10-25T18:59:35 < Laurenceb__> ubuntu on the host PC
2014-10-25T18:59:39 < emeb> I've always used Angstrom
2014-10-25T18:59:56 < Laurenceb__> debian on the BBB
2014-10-25T19:00:08 < emeb> even funner
2014-10-25T19:00:25 < emeb> don't know diddle about how that's set up
2014-10-25T19:00:31 < Laurenceb__> ok lol
2014-10-25T19:00:34 < Laurenceb__> thanks anyway
2014-10-25T19:00:59 < emeb> I've got a newer BBB here that I haven't booted yet
2014-10-25T19:01:00 < Laurenceb__> ill try to make an installed uSD card
2014-10-25T19:01:25 < Laurenceb__> but i know less than nothing about what im doing
2014-10-25T19:02:06 < emeb> just a sec - booting the new one.
2014-10-25T19:04:10 < PaulFertser> dongs: it's not really a complete and useful description of that project. How would you implement CNC anyway, really?
2014-10-25T19:08:18 < emeb> Laurenceb__: ok - booted the new one and it is running Debian
2014-10-25T19:08:38 < emeb> looks like the setup is pretty similar - boot partition mounts when it's plugged into a USB host
2014-10-25T19:08:48 < emeb> and kernel is visible in the boot partition.
2014-10-25T19:09:01 < Laurenceb__> oh thanks
2014-10-25T19:09:07 < Laurenceb__> which kernel?
2014-10-25T19:09:20 < emeb> you should be able to get in and move stuff around
2014-10-25T19:09:28 < emeb> this one has 3.8.13 on it
2014-10-25T19:09:35 < Laurenceb__> oh nice
2014-10-25T19:09:42 < Laurenceb__> does usb hotplug work?
2014-10-25T19:10:03 < emeb> need to check that
2014-10-25T19:10:27 < Laurenceb__> where did you find 3.8.13? i dont see it
2014-10-25T19:11:04 < emeb> this is a brand-new out of the box BBB I just got from Adafruit
2014-10-25T19:11:13 < emeb> came with it installed
2014-10-25T19:11:29 < Laurenceb__> oh 8
2014-10-25T19:11:34 < Laurenceb__> i read that as 18
2014-10-25T19:11:37 < Laurenceb__> doh
2014-10-25T19:11:48 < Laurenceb__> yeah ive run 3.8.13, its broken
2014-10-25T19:12:19 < Laurenceb__> supposedly 3.17.1-bone4 works
2014-10-25T19:12:26 < Laurenceb__> if you can find a way to install it...
2014-10-25T19:12:34 < emeb> got linky for where it is?
2014-10-25T19:12:42 < emeb> I'll give it a try
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2014-10-25T19:13:42 < Laurenceb__> https://rcn-ee.net/deb/utopic-armhf/v3.17.1-bone4/
2014-10-25T19:20:48 < Laurenceb__> i couldnt get it to fit, but it was probably my screw ups
2014-10-25T19:20:51 < emeb> meh - got no fscking clue how to use that
2014-10-25T19:20:55 < Laurenceb__> theres enough space
2014-10-25T19:21:06 < Laurenceb__> but i needed to grow the uboot partition
2014-10-25T19:21:19 < Laurenceb__> you can upgrade from inside debian
2014-10-25T19:21:27 < Laurenceb__>  /opt/scripts/tools
2014-10-25T19:21:30 < emeb> seem like that's the only way
2014-10-25T19:21:37 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2014-10-25T19:21:53 < Laurenceb__> ive bricked mine about 4 times now
2014-10-25T19:22:18 < Laurenceb__> i suspect its possible by removing python and growing the boot partition
2014-10-25T19:22:25 < Laurenceb__> but i seem to have screwed something up
2014-10-25T19:22:33 < Laurenceb__> but it wasnt that i ran out of space
2014-10-25T19:23:00 < Laurenceb__> might just need to fiddle with the cables - its enumerating on usb
2014-10-25T19:23:16 < Laurenceb__> hardware is at work atm - i cant actually see whats happening :P
2014-10-25T19:23:33 < emeb> definitely get something hooked to the serial port & watch it boot
2014-10-25T19:23:38 < emeb> that'll tell you a lot.
2014-10-25T19:23:48 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2014-10-25T19:23:52 < Laurenceb__> ill try on monday
2014-10-25T19:24:03 < Laurenceb__> but yeah, growing boot to 98meg and removing python
2014-10-25T19:24:13 < Laurenceb__> then running the upgrader should work in theory
2014-10-25T19:24:21 < Laurenceb__> as far as i could tell
2014-10-25T19:25:02 < Laurenceb__> bbl
2014-10-25T19:25:07 < emeb> l8r
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2014-10-25T23:07:41 < FransWillem> Hey guys, I have an STM32F4 discovery that I've compiled some code for, but I suspect it might not be running at the clock speed it should. Does anyone have a suggestion what the quickest way to test this would be ?
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2014-10-25T23:22:17 < Thorn> MCO pin + scope/freq counter/SA
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2014-10-25T23:42:14 < karlp> or just make a led blink at what _should_ be 1 hz,
2014-10-25T23:42:33 < karlp> but, presumably that's why you have these suspicions ;)
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2014-10-26T00:04:19 < upgrdman> neat paper usb thinggy:  http://imgur.com/a/4Xxlu
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2014-10-26T00:10:43 < Thorn> what is this thing for
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2014-10-26T00:13:28 < upgrdman> no idea. iirc it's a 8MB usb drive
2014-10-26T00:13:43 < upgrdman> guessing for promo sharing of music or docs or porn
2014-10-26T00:13:50 < upgrdman> found on r/interestingasfuck
2014-10-26T00:14:06 < Thorn> what is the dielectric constant of paper
2014-10-26T00:14:09 < Thorn> lol
2014-10-26T00:14:36 < Thorn> otoh it's hardly usb hs
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2014-10-26T00:18:32 < scummos> something like 2-4
2014-10-26T00:18:38 < scummos> iirc
2014-10-26T00:18:39 < qyx_> hm, kickstartered
2014-10-26T00:18:54 < qyx_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/812365891/swivelcard-smart-business-cards
2014-10-26T00:19:22 < qyx_> probably
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2014-10-26T01:48:12 < Thorn> before and after reboot http://i.imgur.com/AnIsjga.jpg
2014-10-26T01:48:47 < upgrdman> nice
2014-10-26T01:49:01 < upgrdman> i use an app killer to keep shit from accruing in the background
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2014-10-26T01:51:33 < Thorn> it didn't show any unusual background processes
2014-10-26T01:51:57 < Thorn> guess I should have used ps over adb shell
2014-10-26T02:02:56 < englishman> doesnt it tell you which apps are hogging battery?
2014-10-26T02:03:45 < englishman> dropbox recently ate like 70% battery in 5 hours, it needed to be told to quiet down
2014-10-26T02:03:46 < Thorn> wi-fi, phone idle, cell standby, etc.
2014-10-26T02:04:50 < Thorn> most battery usage is distributed between system stuff in the report
2014-10-26T02:05:35 < englishman> i get a screen like this https://www.dropbox.com/s/5pr8b5ptdg9qb3b/2014-10-25%2023.04.13.png?dl=0
2014-10-26T02:06:13 < Thorn> more or less the same, except wi-fi
2014-10-26T02:07:03 < englishman> yeah but once in a while chrome or dropbox or some other crappy app appears up there and needs to be deleted
2014-10-26T02:08:31 < Thorn> I had some shake / touch proximity sensor to unlock apps which were draining the battery, no obvious stuff other than those
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2014-10-26T04:15:06 < dongs> sup blogs
2014-10-26T04:16:55 < dongs> so sup
2014-10-26T04:24:16 < karlp> hacking i2cz
2014-10-26T04:24:25 < karlp> still gross
2014-10-26T04:26:40 < englishman> no dp shit on hackaday
2014-10-26T04:26:43 < englishman> scrubs
2014-10-26T04:33:37 < BrainDamage> I made a shitty radar with 100k$ worth of instruments
2014-10-26T04:33:55 < BrainDamage> also turns out lecroy's oscopes em shielding sucks
2014-10-26T04:34:20 < BrainDamage> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wfh8n1orfq69rnx/Photo%2025-10-14%2016%2059%2012.jpg?dl=0
2014-10-26T04:35:01 < BrainDamage> we used an arduino as leg stand, so we can add the arduino tag for blog cred
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2014-10-26T05:49:41 < dongs> http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/721-80001/721-80001-ND/3083201 lmfaooo
2014-10-26T05:54:43 < PeterM> LOL
2014-10-26T05:54:51 < PeterM> i geddit
2014-10-26T05:55:30 < dongs> thats hilarious i wonder whats going on
2014-10-26T05:55:34 < dongs> is digikey trolling
2014-10-26T05:55:47 < dongs> R2COM: http://www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/721-80001/721-80001-ND/3083201 discuss
2014-10-26T05:56:47 < PeterM> dongs is it avail outside .nz?
2014-10-26T05:57:21 < PeterM> they talk like they smoke a pack of cigs a day..
2014-10-26T05:57:43 < PeterM> which may or may not be hot
2014-10-26T05:57:43 < dongs> PeterM: eyah just change .com or whatever
2014-10-26T05:57:48 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/721-80001/721-80001-ND/3083201
2014-10-26T05:58:15 < englishman> <R2COM> its for USAF
2014-10-26T05:58:16 < englishman> lol'd
2014-10-26T05:58:24 < PeterM> dongs thought maybe an xjet joke or something
2014-10-26T05:58:27 < dongs> haah
2014-10-26T05:58:38 < englishman> digikey only has one warehouse
2014-10-26T05:58:59 < englishman> lockheed martin 8" prop
2014-10-26T05:59:27 < dongs> i guess even google is missing hte joke
2014-10-26T05:59:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/DWgVzNY.png
2014-10-26T06:00:25 < dongs> i dont wanna surf the skill wave
2014-10-26T06:00:52 < englishman> per seat
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2014-10-26T06:03:57 < PeterM> yeah, hows the dildo commin along dingle?
2014-10-26T06:04:31 < PeterM> why not?
2014-10-26T06:04:39 < dongs> working
2014-10-26T06:04:46 < dongs> trying to figure out how to do latching soft off
2014-10-26T06:04:47 < dongs> with switch
2014-10-26T06:05:56 < PeterM> dingle: a way too long video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foc9R0dC2iI
2014-10-26T06:05:58 < dongs> dildo
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2014-10-26T06:06:04 < dongs> PeterM: that eevblag shit is useelss fuck
2014-10-26T06:06:19 < PeterM> yeah too many passves
2014-10-26T06:06:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Myd7RL1.jpg ;pplomg at tjos
2014-10-26T06:06:51 < dongs> err
2014-10-26T06:06:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Myd7RL1.jpg looking at this
2014-10-26T06:07:44 < madist> talk about a *weak* pullup
2014-10-26T06:07:47 < madist> ;)
2014-10-26T06:07:57 < dongs> ive seen all of those
2014-10-26T06:08:00 < PeterM> dingle
2014-10-26T06:08:02 < dongs> they dont work
2014-10-26T06:08:26 < madist> what are you trying to do ?
2014-10-26T06:08:53 < dongs> sliding switches fail
2014-10-26T06:08:55 < dongs> and you cant soft-off
2014-10-26T06:09:16 < dongs> madist: momentary pushbutton to turn on/off power with the catch that I wanna sample switch later for things like longpress etc.
2014-10-26T06:10:48 < madist> dongs: the MCU is always powered ? You've drawn it connected to VCC ?
2014-10-26T06:11:07 < madist> do you need to switch power if you put the MCU in low powered mode ?
2014-10-26T06:11:25 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/m4nUtcU dongs
2014-10-26T06:11:26 < madist> smoke alarms run for 5 years on a single cell and the PIC is permanently connected to the battery.
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2014-10-26T06:20:23 < dongs> R2COM: lineartech part will also cost more than the entire BOM
2014-10-26T06:20:28 < dongs> madist: nope
2014-10-26T06:20:43 < dongs> madist: sysoff controls battery charger/vreg
2014-10-26T06:22:28 < madist> does your tactile switch come in a two pole variety ?
2014-10-26T06:22:52 < dongs> lol no
2014-10-26T06:23:04 < madist> most tact switches have a two pole variant
2014-10-26T06:23:59 < madist> many, not most
2014-10-26T06:24:50 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/nQXaaR1
2014-10-26T06:26:26 < madist> that still leaves the LDO permanently connected.
2014-10-26T06:27:10 < madist> you could eliminate the mosfet by putting the switch between enable and ground. (+ pullup on en)
2014-10-26T06:27:11 < PeterM> whats LDO quiescent?
2014-10-26T06:27:30 < madist> much more than MCU low power mode probably.
2014-10-26T06:27:56 < PeterM> tru
2014-10-26T06:28:43 < madist> you could put your idea on the LDO's gnd instead of the MCU gnd. with a little loss of regulation.
2014-10-26T06:29:59 < PeterM> http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080828181458/uncyclopedia/images/6/6d/Post-tits-or-gtfo.png
2014-10-26T06:31:03 < PeterM> madist i think thats a wiener
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2014-10-26T06:42:31 < dongs> LDO is behind BQ24075 power path shit
2014-10-26T06:42:34 < dongs> so when its off, its off.
2014-10-26T06:42:49 < dongs> actually not ldo but tps63001 buckboost
2014-10-26T06:43:39 < madist> you're using a power management chip and still building a discrete power management circuit ?
2014-10-26T06:43:53 < dongs> I need to control that power management chip somehow.
2014-10-26T06:44:47 < madist> many MCUs can be powered through the I/O pins. (due to the protection diodes.)
2014-10-26T06:45:00 < madist> you should see if your MCU runs when you connect an I/O pin to +ve.
2014-10-26T06:45:54 < madist> using the tactile switch to do that. then use can use the same I/O to detect long press.
2014-10-26T06:46:35 < madist> independent of the regulated power supply.
2014-10-26T06:46:51 < dongs> the only +v i always have available is battery
2014-10-26T06:46:55 < dongs> and im not using that directly to mcu.
2014-10-26T06:46:58 < madist> why not ?
2014-10-26T06:47:02 < dongs> ...
2014-10-26T06:47:12 < madist> directly to an I/O pin through the tactile switch.
2014-10-26T06:47:19 < madist> so it doesn't interfere with regulated psu.
2014-10-26T06:47:35 < dongs> of course it does, the switch has to short sysoff to ground
2014-10-26T06:47:43 < dongs> but then I cant read the switch state, veer.
2014-10-26T06:47:44 < dongs> ever
2014-10-26T06:47:55 < PeterM> erm... why not tacyt switch on sysoff to gnd, mcu io pulls sysoff to gnd as soon as power turns on, then have pullup on sysoff so to turn off your tristate mcu pin...
2014-10-26T06:47:58 < madist> use an I/O on the mcu to short sysoff to ground ?
2014-10-26T06:48:09 < madist> ah. sysoff is active low ?
2014-10-26T06:48:12 < dongs> yes
2014-10-26T06:48:14 < PeterM> yis
2014-10-26T06:48:21 < dongs> active low as in, power is on wehn its low
2014-10-26T06:48:30 < madist> then let the mcu do that ?
2014-10-26T06:48:40 < dongs> yes, but what shorts it to ground initially?
2014-10-26T06:48:43 < dongs> the button,
2014-10-26T06:48:57 < dongs> which, if I use same pin going to suysoff to read its status, is now permanently on ground
2014-10-26T06:49:08 < madist> No! Its not shorted to anything intially, because your MCU is running directly off the battery initially. through the tactile switch.
2014-10-26T06:49:14 < dongs> no it fucking isnt
2014-10-26T06:49:33 < dongs> im not running mcu off battery, thats what current shit does and its fucking fail
2014-10-26T06:49:53 < madist> its not running off battery all the time. only for a few milliseconds when the tactile switch is pressed.
2014-10-26T06:50:17 < madist> then the mcu pulls sysoff low and runs off the regulated psu.
2014-10-26T06:51:33 < dongs> heh no. thats a retarded hack that wont work
2014-10-26T06:51:38 < madist> why not ?
2014-10-26T06:51:39 < dongs> vbat isnt touching mcu pins directly.
2014-10-26T06:51:43 < dongs> it just wont.
2014-10-26T06:53:08 < madist> then go find a double pole tactile switch.
2014-10-26T06:53:14 < dongs> also not happening
2014-10-26T06:56:55 < PeterM> dongs: im not seeing the problem
2014-10-26T06:56:55 < PeterM> tactile switch between sysoff and gnd, press tact switch, battery temporatorly re-conected
2014-10-26T06:56:55 < PeterM> reconnected battery >LDo>MCU
2014-10-26T06:56:55 < PeterM> MCU instantly pulls sysoff to gnd on power on, holding power on.
2014-10-26T06:56:55 < PeterM> to turn off
2014-10-26T06:56:55 < PeterM> pullup from sysoff to b+ (or use internal 5Meg pullup)
2014-10-26T06:56:55 < PeterM> tristate MCU pin.
2014-10-26T06:57:22 < dongs> PeterM: the problem is when i wanna read switch state after its on
2014-10-26T06:57:58 < PeterM> hmm .. ok lemmeh think
2014-10-26T06:59:08 < dongs> my analog guy swears  the last shit i pasted will work
2014-10-26T06:59:23 < PeterM> dongs, got a spare adc pin?
2014-10-26T06:59:25 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Myd7RL1.jpg looking at this | this, perhaps maybe without R 2 as its kinda redundant
2014-10-26T06:59:29 < dongs> sure
2014-10-26T06:59:50 < dongs> i got all the pins free, a dildo doesnt need much
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2014-10-26T07:00:00 < dongs> 2 pwms to leds, 1 pwm to motor
2014-10-26T07:00:36 < PeterM> put ext pullup  thats like 5k, put resistor on MCU pulldown, conenct adc pin to middle of divider when button press, there is HARD HARD puilldown so adc will go to 0,
2014-10-26T07:01:04 < PeterM> but when switch not pressed will be slight floating
2014-10-26T07:02:11 < dongs> 5k pullup to what, vcc?
2014-10-26T07:02:16 < PeterM> b+
2014-10-26T07:02:20 < dongs> haha nope
2014-10-26T07:02:24 < dongs> thats gonna drain teh battery
2014-10-26T07:02:27 < PeterM> no
2014-10-26T07:02:28 < dongs> not solving the problem
2014-10-26T07:02:29 < dongs> yes it will
2014-10-26T07:02:42 < dongs> the only thing stays on vbatt is that 5meg pullup
2014-10-26T07:03:08 < PeterM> why? when sysoff is off, mcu is disconnected so only tiny leakage from mcu protection diodes
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2014-10-26T07:04:42 < dongs> sigh
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2014-10-26T07:09:04 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/dW7TQRY this is what i meant btw
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2014-10-26T07:13:56 < dongs> is that a penis
2014-10-26T07:13:58 < dongs> on BQ
2014-10-26T07:14:13 < PeterM> i couldnt fit 24075
2014-10-26T07:14:50 < dongs> 10K is going to B- ??
2014-10-26T07:15:22 < PeterM> b+
2014-10-26T07:15:29 < dongs> permanenetly?
2014-10-26T07:15:30 < PeterM> i didnt draw the little jumpy thingo
2014-10-26T07:15:41 < dongs> that doesnt work of course
2014-10-26T07:15:52 < dongs> there's a reason that pullup is like 5M
2014-10-26T07:15:59 < dongs> to gete <10uA standby current
2014-10-26T07:18:42 < PeterM> stuff it, go with the one you got, diodes are cheap
2014-10-26T07:19:05 < dongs> well i dunno if any of htem will work :p
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2014-10-26T07:30:09 < PeterM> do you need D2, R2 and D3?
2014-10-26T07:30:42 < dongs> I think R2 is opetional
2014-10-26T07:30:44 < dongs> optional
2014-10-26T07:30:59 < dongs> D2 is to prevent ESD shit once its off
2014-10-26T07:31:12 < dongs> D3 is to stop vbat from going into Vcc
2014-10-26T07:32:30 < PeterM> yeah but really, 5M is pretty weak, i dont think d3 is needed
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2014-10-26T07:33:55 < dongs> just for complete correctness.
2014-10-26T07:34:55 < PeterM> i mean, what is it, 4.2uA or something worst case?
2014-10-26T07:35:05 < dongs> 6.5uA
2014-10-26T07:36:09 < PeterM> is that complete system?
2014-10-26T07:36:41 < dongs> no thats standby current of BQpenis
2014-10-26T07:36:50 < dongs> (which i guess is just the 5M pullup to vbat
2014-10-26T07:37:35 < PeterM> nah surely not, 4.2/5,000,000 is not that much
2014-10-26T07:38:06 < dongs> i wolframalpha'd that yesterday I think
2014-10-26T07:38:45 < dongs> oh hm
2014-10-26T07:38:49 < dongs> yeah thats like 840nA
2014-10-26T07:38:53 < dongs> so something else draws shit in there
2014-10-26T07:38:55 < dongs> while its off
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2014-10-26T08:18:47 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1893116150/nope-live-free?ref=category wat
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2014-10-26T08:48:55 < upgrdman> lol @ nope
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2014-10-26T09:35:04 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/546800375/delight-smart-led-controller < lol > https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/725/481/4952af6c6bba0947aa7a738466072e72_large.png?1413060527 > http://www.ledmagical.com/Apps/BT001EN.html
2014-10-26T09:35:29 < dongs> no, its just full of really dumb people
2014-10-26T09:38:02 < PeterM> im now curious what human tastes like
2014-10-26T09:41:14 < PeterM> i dunno either... im pretty sure they listed a free, viable alternative to their product in hte first lien of their video
2014-10-26T09:41:24 < PeterM> ie, put  a piece of tape ofver your webcam
2014-10-26T09:41:44 < PeterM> fuckd if i know
2014-10-26T09:42:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VE0hur3.jpg
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2014-10-26T09:55:43 < madist> there was an italian (?) tv show on which a surgeon cut a slice out of someone's butt and they cooked it and ate it live.
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2014-10-26T10:00:32 < PeterM> the hardest it would be starting - though, once you pop you cant stop
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2014-10-26T10:20:54 < dongs> dickbutt boards heading to oven
2014-10-26T10:20:59 < dongs> finally found a few mins of freetime to make htem
2014-10-26T10:55:12 < Thorn> http://instagram.com/p/ul2Y7BH9y3/
2014-10-26T10:58:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MCvjvqv.jpg
2014-10-26T11:08:54 < PeterM> whats the white coverin' dingle?
2014-10-26T11:09:04 < dongs> topsekret dicksarter codename
2014-10-26T11:09:13 < dongs> internet of dicks widget
2014-10-26T11:09:31 < PeterM> also, nice allignment on that pin header
2014-10-26T11:10:31 < PeterM> also nicedickbutt in the copepr layer under the battery holder
2014-10-26T11:14:12 < dongs> rite
2014-10-26T11:14:17 < dongs> it would look much better with enig
2014-10-26T11:14:21 < dongs> this hasl shit is garbage
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2014-10-26T11:39:56 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B00qeggIMAAVUjD.jpg:large retweet
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2014-10-26T11:44:30 < dongs> holy shit
2014-10-26T11:44:35 < dongs> L0 full chip erase is SLOW
2014-10-26T11:47:07 < dongs> downloading stm32cube :(
2014-10-26T11:49:38 < ReadError> STM32CUBE IS FOR NOOBS
2014-10-26T11:49:43 < ReadError> WHY ARE YOU USING THAT TRASH
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2014-10-26T12:19:08 < madist> How do you expect STM32Cube to get better if only n00bs use it ?
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2014-10-26T12:49:13 < ReadError> madist reverse trollin
2014-10-26T12:49:54 < ReadError> [10/12/14 04:52] <ReadError> this stm32 cube shit is pretty tight
2014-10-26T12:49:54 < ReadError> [10/12/14 04:53] <dongs> only dumbs think so
2014-10-26T12:49:54 < ReadError> [10/12/14 04:53] <dongs> so im not surprised
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2014-10-26T13:16:43 < dongs> oh man
2014-10-26T13:16:46 < dongs> fucking aids
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2014-10-26T13:20:10 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/gallery/yVocfYt
2014-10-26T13:20:35 < dongs> taht sure looks like more htan 9fps
2014-10-26T13:21:54 < dongs> ok it builds
2014-10-26T13:22:33 < dongs> haha
2014-10-26T13:22:35 < dongs> included HAL a ids
2014-10-26T13:22:39 < dongs> build size -> + 6k
2014-10-26T13:22:41 < dongs> instantly
2014-10-26T13:25:31 < dongs> j
2014-10-26T13:25:32 < dongs> k
2014-10-26T13:25:35 < dongs> got led on
2014-10-26T13:25:37 < dongs> progress.
2014-10-26T13:26:55 < dongs> _rcc.c no longer handles peripheral power shit
2014-10-26T13:27:07 < dongs> its #defines in _hal_rcc.h
2014-10-26T13:27:14 < dongs> __GPIOB_CLK_ENABLE() and shit.
2014-10-26T13:29:10 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/gallery/UnMvy3K
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2014-10-26T13:30:33 < dongs> fuck reddit and fuck imgur
2014-10-26T13:37:30 < dongs> and it blinks
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2014-10-26T13:52:44 < dongs> added SPI HAL
2014-10-26T13:52:47 < dongs> 15k bin
2014-10-26T13:52:49 < dongs> ohh yea
2014-10-26T13:52:53 < dongs> havent actually written any code yet
2014-10-26T13:58:23 < ReadError> autismcleric 467 points : 11 replies : a day ago reply
2014-10-26T13:58:24 < ReadError> Neat, but, where are the dildos? It's not an accurate representation of what the technology will be used for without dildos.
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2014-10-26T14:35:38 < dongs> holy fuck
2014-10-26T14:35:43 < dongs> ST HAL is aboslutely worthless
2014-10-26T14:35:49 < dongs> SPI_Transfer *needs* both buffers
2014-10-26T14:35:58 < dongs> you can't set the one you dont need to null
2014-10-26T14:38:14 < jpa-> so? set it to same buffer, it's not like you'll be reusing the data
2014-10-26T14:38:20 < dongs> jpa, i realize that
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2014-10-26T14:38:38 < dongs> for output tho thats not gonna work
2014-10-26T14:38:42 < dongs> i.e if youre just sending shit
2014-10-26T14:38:56 < dongs> anyway, its fucking dumb, ever SPI shit i ever seen (and written) allows skipping either tx or rx buffer
2014-10-26T14:39:01 < dongs> and just substitute with FF int there
2014-10-26T14:39:18 < jpa-> why wouldn't it work?
2014-10-26T14:39:43 < dongs> if your send buffer is const???
2014-10-26T14:39:49 < jpa-> ah
2014-10-26T14:40:03 < dongs> or like from flash or something
2014-10-26T14:40:06 < jpa-> yeah
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2014-10-26T14:45:21 < dongs> jpa, was L1 flashing so fucking terribly slow
2014-10-26T14:46:22 < jpa-> not terribly
2014-10-26T14:46:28 < jpa-> around 10kB/s if i recall correctly
2014-10-26T14:47:01 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/jLh/plain   yeah 10.9 kB/s
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2014-10-26T14:48:30 < dongs> it takes like 7 seconds to flash 15k on L0
2014-10-26T14:49:06 < qyx_> O_o
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2014-10-26T15:01:55 < dongs> hah jlink no longer asks for your serial #
2014-10-26T15:01:57 < dongs> when you download thier shit
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2014-10-26T15:11:59 < dongs>  Erase operation completed successfully - Completed after 6.174 sec
2014-10-26T15:12:04 < dongs> there's no "full" erase as far as I can tell
2014-10-26T15:12:10 < dongs> it has to do all sectors
2014-10-26T15:12:30 < dongs>  Target programmed successfully - Completed after 7.665 sec
2014-10-26T15:12:36 < dongs> 64k flash (15k data, rest ff)
2014-10-26T15:12:37 < dongs> hmm
2014-10-26T15:12:40 < dongs> j-flash isnt so bad
2014-10-26T15:12:43 < dongs> its slow as fuck in keil tho
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2014-10-26T15:18:50 < dongs> ok it has mass erase
2014-10-26T15:19:00 < dongs> 3.7ms
2014-10-26T15:19:04 < dongs> kills eeprom too tho
2014-10-26T15:19:09 < dongs> wonder if thats why they didnt implement it
2014-10-26T15:21:36 < dongs> Address
2014-10-26T15:21:36 < dongs> To generate a mass erase, it is necessary to write 0x015500AA to the first Option bytes
2014-10-26T15:21:39 < dongs> address (bits 31 to 25 and 15 to 9 are not complemented because they are not used,
2014-10-26T15:21:43 < dongs> and not checked) with Level 1 as the actual level.
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2014-10-26T15:26:34 < dongs> any other Lx does mass erase via option bytes?
2014-10-26T15:28:32 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/YV0NZk97.html hhe L1
2014-10-26T15:28:42 < dongs> wait, does openOCD support L0 mass erase?
2014-10-26T15:28:51 < dongs> of course openocd salesman isnt here
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2014-10-26T15:31:27 < dongs> http://repo.or.cz/w/openocd.git/blob/885f4388144840e411512543cd92fb9335ce806a:/src/flash/nor/stm32lx.c#l1225
2014-10-26T15:31:30 < dongs> nice
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2014-10-26T16:05:05 < dongs> PaulFertser: im usinng code from opencd to write a keil flash driver for L0
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2014-10-26T16:06:30 < PaulFertser> dongs: heh, I hope it works :)
2014-10-26T16:06:46 < PaulFertser> Why not use openocd with Keil? Or is it not able to talk gdb protocol?
2014-10-26T16:07:22 < dongs>  < dongs> http://repo.or.cz/w/openocd.git/blob/885f4388144840e411512543cd92fb9335ce806a:/src/flash/nor/stm32lx.c#l1225
2014-10-26T16:07:22 < dongs> it seems to match
2014-10-26T16:07:22 < dongs> what datasheet says
2014-10-26T16:07:22 < dongs> keil fucks didnt implemnt mass erase
2014-10-26T16:07:22 < dongs> and sector erase on L0 is fucking slooooow
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2014-10-26T16:08:07 < dongs> pretty sure it doesnt, besides porting this is easy enough
2014-10-26T16:08:15 < dongs> they have project files for all teh flash protcols
2014-10-26T16:08:15 < dongs> i just move that cod there
2014-10-26T16:09:23 < PaulFertser> BTW, mass flash erase for L0 is implemented by an ST employee, kudos to him.
2014-10-26T16:10:09 < dongs> ugh also sector size is 128bytes
2014-10-26T16:10:09 < dongs> maybe thats what makes it slow
2014-10-26T16:11:14 < dongs> o yea?
2014-10-26T16:11:18 < dongs> well, then i guess it should work :)
2014-10-26T16:11:30 < dongs> i wonder why tehy didnt do it in keil project.
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2014-10-26T16:28:19 < zyp> I thought the point of keil was you didn't have to fix shit yourself
2014-10-26T16:36:27 < PaulFertser> One would think that after paying $5k you can just call them and they'll roll out a driver for you in a day or two, but no?!
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2014-10-26T16:47:56 < dongs> i know right
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2014-10-26T17:07:11 < dongs> ok lets see if it worked
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2014-10-26T17:15:15 < dongs> yesss
2014-10-26T17:15:16 < dongs> nice
2014-10-26T17:15:24 < dongs> full chip erase followed by slow as ballz flash
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2014-10-26T17:25:11 < dongs> PaulFertser: thanks to openOCD ^_-
2014-10-26T17:26:14 < englishman> now just make a pullreq to keil project on githugs
2014-10-26T17:26:18 < PaulFertser> dongs: hehe, welcome :)
2014-10-26T17:26:25 < dongs> englishman: already done
2014-10-26T17:26:26 < dongs> emailed them
2014-10-26T17:26:29 < dongs> ^_-
2014-10-26T17:26:45 < englishman> im sure they will ask you to fax them the source code
2014-10-26T17:26:52 < dongs> lulz
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2014-10-26T17:53:05 < dongs> http://lcamtuf.blogspot.jp/2014/10/psa-dont-run-strings-on-untrusted-files.html
2014-10-26T17:53:06 < dongs> haha
2014-10-26T17:53:07 < dongs> lunix
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2014-10-26T18:03:37 < PaulFertser> dongs: why don't you blame the GNU Project here? binutils are really unrelated to Linux, the kernel ;)
2014-10-26T18:05:12 < dongs> eh
2014-10-26T18:05:15 < dongs> same shit d iffernet naem
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2014-10-26T18:06:55 < PaulFertser> https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html
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2014-10-26T18:08:46 < dongs> is that the url that says to use GNU/Lignux
2014-10-26T18:08:47 < dongs> or someshit
2014-10-26T18:12:11 < Fleck> http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/aOyx0VR_460sv_v1.gif
2014-10-26T18:12:31 < dongs> nice ride bro
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2014-10-26T18:34:13 < [7]> hm, what could make an RMII phy (DP83848) fail to respond to MDC/MDIO commands...
2014-10-26T18:34:40 < [7]> the signal looks good, but the phy never starts to drive the MDIO line :/
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2014-10-26T18:34:59 < qyx_> uhm, mussing pullup?
2014-10-26T18:35:02 < qyx_> *missing
2014-10-26T18:35:20 < [7]> internal pullup of the stm32 is on
2014-10-26T18:35:38 < [7]> and I've seen this work just fine in the past with no pullup at all
2014-10-26T18:35:48 < qyx_> hardly, it is opendrain
2014-10-26T18:36:10 < qyx_> rmii wants something between 1K and 10K if i remember correcty
2014-10-26T18:36:20 < qyx_> internal pullup may be weak
2014-10-26T18:36:27 < qyx_> but the phy should be able to pull the line down
2014-10-26T18:37:20 < Thorn> is the address correct
2014-10-26T18:37:31 < [7]> I think so... (zero)
2014-10-26T18:37:39 < [7]> it's the waveshare board
2014-10-26T18:38:05 < [7]> hm... or maybe it was one?
2014-10-26T18:38:07 < [7]> let me try
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2014-10-26T18:42:02 < [7]> gah
2014-10-26T18:42:07 < [7]> indeed
2014-10-26T18:42:17 < [7]> that was just too trivial to even think of it ;)
2014-10-26T18:42:29 < qyx_> O_o
2014-10-26T18:42:50 < [7]> I thought I had copy&pasted that from a working example...
2014-10-26T18:43:02 < [7]> now lwip crashes somewhere in the dhcp client :/
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2014-10-26T18:45:59 < [7]> haha. someone built a loop into a linked list somewhere...
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2014-10-26T18:46:32 < qyx_> actually that might be quite useful data structure
2014-10-26T18:47:15 < [7]> well, not if you're iterating over it with while (item != NULL) ... item=item->next;
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2014-10-26T19:47:53 < Tectu_> go on, karlp
2014-10-26T19:47:58 < dongs> rageforge
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2014-10-26T19:56:08 < karlp> I can "read status" but it only shows me pin states, I can't seem to get any detail about whether there was a nak or not. stupid docs
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2014-10-26T20:53:30 < upgrdman> just found some SMD caps designed for SMPS.... 15mOhm ESR! YES!
2014-10-26T20:54:38 < Steffann> price > $5/cap? :)
2014-10-26T20:55:09 < upgrdman> ya. $5.50 for qty 1
2014-10-26T20:55:15 < upgrdman> but still!
2014-10-26T20:55:30 < scrts> :o
2014-10-26T20:55:37 < jpa-> is it an electrolytic that will dry out, tantalum that will explode or a ceramic cap that will have no capacitance?
2014-10-26T20:55:41 < scrts> why not connect several ceramic caps in parallel?
2014-10-26T20:55:51 < upgrdman> ceramic, 100V 10uF
2014-10-26T20:56:01 < scrts> you really need 100V?
2014-10-26T20:56:07 < jpa-> yeah, so 5µF in reality?
2014-10-26T20:56:14 < upgrdman> not for current project, but maybe in the future
2014-10-26T20:56:38 < upgrdman> jpa-: i actually plan to use it for my induction heater project, but yes, i know about DC derating.
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2014-10-26T21:08:33 < zyp> wow, I've been stuck trying to figure out why my fpga interface on the fpga didn't make any sense, turns out I had swapped the pins for nwe and nwait
2014-10-26T21:08:47 < upgrdman> nwe?
2014-10-26T21:08:52 < zyp> write enable
2014-10-26T21:08:56 < upgrdman> ah
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2014-10-26T21:14:17 < zyp> hmm, of course, reading still doesn't work
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2014-10-26T22:42:45 < [7]> there are some interesting high-leakage but ultra-low-esr organic electrolytic caps as well
2014-10-26T22:42:57 < [7]> both high capacitance and cheap
2014-10-26T22:43:16 < [7]> they're nice if you don't care about a few mA of leakage
2014-10-26T22:43:40 < [7]> hm, my ethernet driver still doesn't work... I can't seem to get the DMA started
2014-10-26T22:44:29 < [7]> I set up the descriptors (owned by the hardware), set the SR/ST bits in DMAOMR, but DMASR.RPS/TPS stay on RPS/TPS_stopped
2014-10-26T22:45:27 < [7]> according to the datasheet that's "Stopped: Reset or Stop Receive Command issued"
2014-10-26T22:45:52 < [7]> how do I get it out of that state?
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2014-10-26T22:57:02 < gxti> [7]: DMATPDR
2014-10-26T22:57:46 < [7]> that shouldn't be required according to the datasheet
2014-10-26T22:57:58 < [7]> it says that it will automatically poll once when setting the ST bit
2014-10-26T22:58:14 < gxti> and how is that working out for you?
2014-10-26T22:58:27  * [7] suspects that the problem might be with the bus matrix...
2014-10-26T22:58:58 < [7]> what do DMA controllers see when attempting to access addresses in the 0-0x1fffffff range?
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2014-10-26T23:18:09 < [7]> hm, are the following assumptions true?
2014-10-26T23:18:29 < [7]> (if I have SRAM remapped to address zero)
2014-10-26T23:18:55 < [7]> 1. code can only be executed from the first 112KB of SRAM, not from the additional 16K + 64K memories on chips that have them?
2014-10-26T23:19:17 < [7]> (through address zero / the I-bus)
2014-10-26T23:19:38 < zyp> that's an interesting question
2014-10-26T23:19:43 < [7]> 2. the same applies to data accesses
2014-10-26T23:20:04 < Thorn> 0. whay would anyone remap sram to 0
2014-10-26T23:20:09 < [7]> 3. other bus masters can not access the memory range from 0 to 0x08000000
2014-10-26T23:20:30 < [7]> 4. code can not be executed from CCMRAM at all (nor can other bus masters access it)
2014-10-26T23:20:40 < [7]> I'm fairly sure about 4., but the other ones are confusing
2014-10-26T23:20:54 < zyp> code can be executed from CCM
2014-10-26T23:21:10 < [7]> hah, that's clearly in conflict with the reference manual then
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2014-10-26T23:21:20 < zyp> no, it's not
2014-10-26T23:22:01 < [7]> according to the reference manual, the CCM ram can only be accessed through D-bus, and instruction fetches use I-bus or S-bus depending on the address
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2014-10-26T23:23:19 < kakeman> what is purpose of remapping addresses generally?
2014-10-26T23:23:51 < [7]> kakeman: to be able to execute code from SRAM through I-bus instead of S-bus, to keep that bus free for data accesses
2014-10-26T23:24:17 < kakeman> oh
2014-10-26T23:24:19 < kakeman> cool
2014-10-26T23:24:48 < Thorn> are you sure remapping can change the way buses are used?
2014-10-26T23:25:12 < zyp> hmm
2014-10-26T23:25:21 < [7]> yes, because the cortex-M core accesses everything <0x20000000 through I-bus/D-bus, everything above that through S-bus
2014-10-26T23:25:26 < zyp> there was a pdf on this back when stm32f4 was new
2014-10-26T23:25:29 < zyp> but I can't find it
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2014-10-26T23:26:10 < zyp> where they profiled running code from different memories, and I'm pretty sure they also did CCM
2014-10-26T23:26:36 < Thorn> where do I upload
2014-10-26T23:27:54 < kakeman> so you move program to sram and read/write flash with better performance?
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2014-10-26T23:28:26 < upgrdman> nice way to remember resistor color codes:  http://i.imgur.com/R8ojaHX.jpg
2014-10-26T23:28:46 < [7]> kakeman: typically you execute code from SRAM for other reasons (flash wait states, power consumption, etc)
2014-10-26T23:29:07 < [7]> but you don't want instruction fetches and data accesses to peripherals or the other SRAMs to mess with each other
2014-10-26T23:29:11 < zyp> ah, found it
2014-10-26T23:29:19 < zyp> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Attachments/22412/2012_STM32%20Technical%20Updates%20-%20Issue%201.pdf
2014-10-26T23:29:22 < [7]> so you put code in SRAM1, local data in CCMRAM, DMA data in SRAM2, etc.
2014-10-26T23:31:18 < [7]> zyp: haha. I've seen a similar diagram like on page 38 of that in another presentation from them, with the dots being in other locations ;)
2014-10-26T23:31:20 < zyp> oh, right, only data in CCM
2014-10-26T23:32:45 < [7]> argh
2014-10-26T23:33:03 < [7]> to make matters worse, debug accesses always use S-bus, right?
2014-10-26T23:33:35  * [7] needs some more elaborate test setup
2014-10-26T23:34:52 < zyp> did you read pages 42-45 in that pdf?
2014-10-26T23:35:20 < [7]> doing that right now
2014-10-26T23:35:37 < [7]> "Config 2" is interesting... didn't think of that adding a penalty
2014-10-26T23:37:39 < zyp> 22:23:51 < [7]> kakeman: to be able to execute code from SRAM through I-bus instead of S-bus, to keep that bus free for data accesses
2014-10-26T23:37:54 < zyp> that's config 6, and interestingly enough is config 5 faster
2014-10-26T23:38:06 < [7]> well yeah that's clear why
2014-10-26T23:38:08 < zyp> i.e. not dicking around with remaps
2014-10-26T23:39:18 < [7]> that's only true as long as you only ever access sram1 though
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2014-10-26T23:39:24 < zyp> there's almost no difference between 3 and 4 either
2014-10-26T23:39:33 < [7]> (and ccmram wouldn't hurt either in that case)
2014-10-26T23:40:20 < zyp> by the way, why do you want to execute from ram in the first place?
2014-10-26T23:40:45 < [7]> mostly because of the faster testing cycle
2014-10-26T23:40:54 < [7]> this is just while debugging
2014-10-26T23:41:05 < zyp> uh
2014-10-26T23:41:15 < zyp> is flashing time even noticeable?
2014-10-26T23:41:19 < [7]> yes
2014-10-26T23:41:36 < zyp> for how much code?
2014-10-26T23:41:44 < [7]> ~50-100KB
2014-10-26T23:41:49 < [7]> on f407
2014-10-26T23:41:51 < zyp> and that takes how long?
2014-10-26T23:42:12 < [7]> 5-10 seconds or so, compared to ~1 second
2014-10-26T23:42:16 < zyp> uh
2014-10-26T23:42:24 < zyp> get a better debugger setup
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2014-10-26T23:44:38 < qyx_> hm, my f407 flashes at about 23KB/s
2014-10-26T23:45:11 < zyp> the flash itself is good for more than that
2014-10-26T23:45:33 < scummos> hey zyp, I was told you'd be very knowledgeable about USB on the LPC433x, so I hope you forgive me if I ask you directly what I asked around here a while ago :-)  -- I use the USB0 of an LPC4333 and it does not even attempt to enter high-speed mode (but works perfectly fine in full-speed). Any immediate thoughts about why that might happen?
2014-10-26T23:46:21 < zyp> scummos, no, I never got around to try USB on my lpc43xx setup
2014-10-26T23:46:28 < scummos> zyp: ok, still thanks
2014-10-26T23:46:57 < qyx_> i though the speed is limited by flash, not the debugger interface
2014-10-26T23:47:06 < zyp> do you mean that it always enumerates in FS mode, even if you expect HS?
2014-10-26T23:47:38 < zyp> qyx_, no, it's limited by shitty flash programming routines
2014-10-26T23:48:20 < scummos> zyp: yes, exactly. I also do not see the HS chirp initiation sequence on the bus, so it looks like the device doesn't even advertie its high-speed capabilities to the host
2014-10-26T23:48:25 < scummos> which I assumed it would just always do
2014-10-26T23:52:05 < zyp> yeah, the PHY should negotiate that, and report back to the MAC what speed was negotiated
2014-10-26T23:52:34 < zyp> I would check for flags in the PHY settings to control that
2014-10-26T23:54:07 < scummos> there
2014-10-26T23:54:17 < scummos> *there is a flag which forces full-speed, but it's off
2014-10-26T23:55:00 < scummos> I found no other conditions in the user manual which would disable high-speed mode
2014-10-26T23:55:06 < zyp> I assume you're completely sure that you're connected to a HS-capable hub?
2014-10-26T23:55:14 < scummos> yes, I tested with other devices
2014-10-26T23:55:21 < scummos> also, the device doesn't send the initiation sequence
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2014-10-26T23:55:38 < scummos> (the device needs to initiate the HS handshake, right?)
2014-10-26T23:55:43 < scummos> and that is not visible on the bus
2014-10-26T23:55:48 < zyp> yes, device starts with a K-chirp
2014-10-26T23:56:23 < scummos> ok, I think I'll make a second board with a 12 MHz crystal this time and test with the boot loader which should be HS capable
2014-10-26T23:56:40 < scummos> thanks zyp
2014-10-26T23:56:56 < zyp> oh, that thing again
2014-10-26T23:57:16 < scummos> yeah I somehow overlooked that it needs a specific crystal frequency for the boot loader ...
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2014-10-26T23:59:55 < [7]> hm, compiling on a network share doesn't seem to be a good idea :/
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2014-10-27T00:02:47 < zyp> scummos, hmm, it's the PORTSC1.PFSC bit you referred to?
2014-10-27T00:02:58  * scummos grabs the user manual
2014-10-27T00:03:29 < scummos> zyp: yes exactly, that's the one
2014-10-27T00:03:54 < scummos> (I'm still wondering if I damaged the high-speed part of the PHY somehow, but it still sounds very unlikely somehow)
2014-10-27T00:04:19 < zyp> yeah, that sounds strange
2014-10-27T00:05:26 < scummos> then again, it not initiating HS mode sounds strange too. and: bootloader attempts to enumerate in FS as well (but then fails because of the wrong crystal) -- and: I found an old log (from dmesg) where the boot loader attempted to enumerate in HS
2014-10-27T00:06:10 < zyp> which frequency are you using?
2014-10-27T00:06:16 < scummos> it's a 4 MHz crystal
2014-10-27T00:06:19 < scummos> so it's really quite wrong
2014-10-27T00:06:31 < scummos> (should be 12 according to the user manual)
2014-10-27T00:06:47 < zyp> if you can compile a binary for 8mhz, I can dig up a board here and test it for you if you want
2014-10-27T00:07:44 < scummos> zyp: sounds like quite some effort for you, so maybe let's do this: I have ordered a 12 MHz crystal and a new controller, should be here on tuesday, and if I still have the same issue there I'll happily get back to that offer
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2014-10-27T00:09:04 < zyp> nah, it's not that much effort if you can give me a flashable elf
2014-10-27T00:09:10 < scummos> hex or elf?
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2014-10-27T00:09:20 < zyp> elf
2014-10-27T00:09:20 < scummos> (I can give you both, whatever you like better)
2014-10-27T00:09:21 < scummos> ok
2014-10-27T00:11:16 < scummos> zyp: files.feorar.org/test.elf compiled for 8 MHz crystal, should enumerate as a HS serial device, md5 is 4fb44cc35a0653efef5fc7cec59c26bd
2014-10-27T00:11:44 < [7]> damn
2014-10-27T00:11:53 < [7]> removed the remap, and this thing still doesn't work
2014-10-27T00:11:59  * scummos didn't know you can flash elf files
2014-10-27T00:12:45 < gxti> even if you couldn't, where did you think the hex files come from?
2014-10-27T00:12:49 < [7]> ethernet DMA is still stuck on RPS_Stopped for some reason
2014-10-27T00:12:57 < scummos> zyp: oh, but be careful, it turns on random LEDs i.e. GPIOs, shall I comment that out?
2014-10-27T00:14:18 < scummos> zyp: files.feorar.org/test2.elf <- without LEDs
2014-10-27T00:14:37 < Fleck> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152848566724245 << TeamWork
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2014-10-27T00:16:46 < [7]> can anyone think of something that I should check wrt. ethernet DMA?
2014-10-27T00:17:24 < [7]> the only bit set in DMASR is receive overrun, which is expected as the DMA doesn't seem to work
2014-10-27T00:18:41 < gxti> post some source code
2014-10-27T00:18:49 < [7]> I bet it's as stupid as the last one... just too simple to even think of it
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2014-10-27T00:19:50 < zyp> scummos, uh, turns out that my jtag adapter don't want to cooperate with my lpc43xx today
2014-10-27T00:20:02 < scummos> zyp: ok, no problem, thanks for trying
2014-10-27T00:20:06 < scummos> hehe
2014-10-27T00:20:11 < scummos> I should get a JTAG adapter too I guess
2014-10-27T00:20:21 < zyp> hmm, I wonder if the problem has made the errata sheet yet
2014-10-27T00:20:34 < scummos> the USB one has not, I checked
2014-10-27T00:20:50 < scummos> ... flashing over serial with the raspberry pi's serial pins is getting a bit old
2014-10-27T00:21:15 < [7]> gxti: http://paste.pm/jkn.js
2014-10-27T00:21:52 < [7]> or http://paste.pm/jkn.c with correct highlighting (but not really pretty either)
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2014-10-27T00:26:18 < [7]> does anyone know which functionality of the ethernet MAC is using which clock signal?
2014-10-27T00:26:28 < [7]> there seem to be at least 4 clocks going into that block:
2014-10-27T00:26:40 < [7]> the main MAC clock
2014-10-27T00:26:40 < [7]> the TX clock
2014-10-27T00:26:40 < [7]> the RX clock
2014-10-27T00:26:40 < [7]> the RMII clock
2014-10-27T00:27:04 < [7]> I think that those 4 are all up and running... but maybe there are even more clocks that I need to take care of?
2014-10-27T00:29:14 < scummos> you could check if they are running at the frequencies you think they are by putting them to the clock output maybe if you suspect a clocking issue
2014-10-27T00:29:41 < [7]> I'm talking about internal peripheral clocks here
2014-10-27T00:29:56 < [7]> the RMII clock is sourced externally, coming from the phy board, 50MHz
2014-10-27T00:30:20 < [7]> the other three clocks are gated AHB clock signals, running at 168MHz
2014-10-27T00:30:28 < scummos> ah, I see
2014-10-27T00:30:42 < [7]> I'm just not sure which of those drives what, and if there's anything else
2014-10-27T00:31:11 < zyp> no, there's only ETHMAC, ETHMACTX and ETHMACRX
2014-10-27T00:31:19 < zyp> and the PHY clock
2014-10-27T00:31:20 < Thorn> TX and RX clocks are 168MHz?
2014-10-27T00:31:28 < [7]> yes
2014-10-27T00:31:34 < [7]> not quite sure what those are even doing
2014-10-27T00:31:51 < [7]> or why they're separate from the ETHMAC clock
2014-10-27T00:31:59 < zyp> [7], what's your problem and what do you have working so far?
2014-10-27T00:32:38 < [7]> I can talk to the PHY via MDC/MDIO and get a valid link there.
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2014-10-27T00:32:58 < [7]> I'm also getting the RX overrun bit set after a while, so I guess the MAC is receiving some broadcast junk at least
2014-10-27T00:33:08 < [7]> however I can't seem to get the RX DMA engine started
2014-10-27T00:33:14 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/main.cpp?h=ethernet <- I wrote some simple receive-only code a couple of years ago
2014-10-27T00:33:32 < [7]> DMASR.RPS stays at RPS_Stopped despite DMAOMR.SR being set
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2014-10-27T02:57:02 < dongs> sup innovators
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2014-10-27T03:16:21 < dongs> http://fffff.at/files/2014/10/comic-sans-in-yosemite.png
2014-10-27T03:18:20 < gxti> working on zero-copy ethernet, got transmit working surprisingly easily. ping times improved by a staggering 9 microseconds.
2014-10-27T03:18:27 < englishman> dongs how do i put comic sans text into dicktrace
2014-10-27T03:18:38 < englishman> do i have to export and stuff
2014-10-27T03:18:56 < dongs> no
2014-10-27T03:18:56 < dongs> just
2014-10-27T03:18:59 < englishman> import dxf has never worked for me
2014-10-27T03:18:59 < dongs> add string
2014-10-27T03:19:03 < dongs> and change font from vector to ttf
2014-10-27T03:20:27 < dongs> right click on string, font type ttf
2014-10-27T03:20:38 < englishman> ooooh ok
2014-10-27T03:20:38 < dongs> then -> font
2014-10-27T03:20:44 < dongs> dxf import works great
2014-10-27T03:20:52 < dongs> i've used it a lot for stuff, i dunno wat you talkin about
2014-10-27T03:21:08 < dongs> once you have preview you need to assign layers of drawing to wahteverf, like silk or etc
2014-10-27T03:21:44 < dongs> gxti: amaze
2014-10-27T03:22:26 < englishman> it always crashes for me
2014-10-27T03:22:48 < dongs> literally crashes or like doenst imnport shit
2014-10-27T03:22:57 < dongs> whats your dxf files source?
2014-10-27T03:22:59 < englishman> literally
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2014-10-27T03:23:06 < dongs> sometimes i had to bump down dxf export version
2014-10-27T03:23:07 < englishman> when it does work just imports white
2014-10-27T03:23:10 < englishman> rly
2014-10-27T03:23:21 < dongs> like 2014 -> 2013 or 2012 or so
2014-10-27T03:23:23 < englishman> sigh
2014-10-27T03:23:26 < dongs> but usually it just works
2014-10-27T03:23:36 < dongs> blame autodesk for having a retarded failspec
2014-10-27T03:23:55 < englishman> i knew a guy who worked there
2014-10-27T03:23:57 < gxti> oh wait, forgot i had -O0 while identifying my failure. make that a jaw-dropping 13 microseconds.
2014-10-27T03:24:28 < dongs> what was the ping before that
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2014-10-27T03:24:59 < gxti> 179us before, 166us after
2014-10-27T03:25:22 < gxti> that's with transmit zero-copy, still have to write receive
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2014-10-27T03:26:12 < Thorn> fast ping reply must be an important selling point
2014-10-27T03:26:30 < Thorn> make sure to mention in on the kickstarter page
2014-10-27T03:26:42 < gxti> no kickstarter, indiegogo. so i can get that sweet forever funding.
2014-10-27T03:27:14 < Thorn> "if you keep paying me I will keep making pings even faster!"
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2014-10-27T03:27:35 < gxti> good idea. waiting on rx zero-copy until $100k stretch goal.
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2014-10-27T03:28:24 < englishman> hmm so where can i get a doge dxf
2014-10-27T03:29:04 < dongs> do you have a good monochrome image of it
2014-10-27T03:29:16 < dongs> if you link me that and dimensions
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2014-10-27T03:29:21 < dongs> (dimensions of final pic)
2014-10-27T03:29:23 < englishman> no :(
2014-10-27T03:29:30 < dongs> i can export gerber with it.
2014-10-27T03:29:30 < englishman> but there has to be one somewhere
2014-10-27T03:29:42 < englishman> its on all those chinese ecigs
2014-10-27T03:33:21 < dongs> englishman: http://i.imgur.com/wThmEEU.png
2014-10-27T03:33:25 < dongs> from marshallh himself
2014-10-27T03:33:51 < Thorn> too much edge detail
2014-10-27T03:33:53 < englishman> best ive seen
2014-10-27T03:33:54 < englishman> http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10010453/1901701-doge-style-rebuildable-dripping-atomizer
2014-10-27T03:33:59 < englishman> looks liek curtisbeefs
2014-10-27T03:34:03 < englishman> his was rather high quality
2014-10-27T03:36:10 < dongs> wait is that some ecig shit
2014-10-27T03:36:19 < dongs> why hte fuck is doge on it
2014-10-27T03:36:31 < englishman> cuz doge
2014-10-27T03:36:51 < dongs> the wow on teh butt end makes it even more awesome
2014-10-27T03:36:56 < dongs> is my shit on hackaday yet
2014-10-27T03:37:20 < englishman> doubtful, no arduino content
2014-10-27T03:37:30 < dongs> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/vfdwatch.jpg?w=849&h=450
2014-10-27T03:37:31 < dongs> ...
2014-10-27T03:38:09 < englishman> i got an sfg
2014-10-27T03:38:10 < englishman> svg
2014-10-27T03:38:46 < dongs> * With engraved "WOW" on the bottom
2014-10-27T03:38:48 < dongs> lfao
2014-10-27T03:39:04 < englishman> dongs: got a good one
2014-10-27T03:39:19 < GargantuaSauce> so vapour
2014-10-27T03:39:20 < GargantuaSauce> such cancer
2014-10-27T03:39:21 < GargantuaSauce> wow
2014-10-27T03:39:23 < dongs> link
2014-10-27T03:39:32 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/A71ANEc.png
2014-10-27T03:39:39 < dongs> loo
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2014-10-27T03:48:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XtWP52X.png
2014-10-27T03:48:10 < dongs> should look good on my dildo
2014-10-27T03:50:54 < emeb_mac> wow
2014-10-27T03:51:34 < dongs> so i got a led blinking on a L0 yesterday
2014-10-27T03:51:42 < dongs> and SPI talking
2014-10-27T03:51:53 < dongs> using stm32timecube hal
2014-10-27T03:52:22 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/GegQDl45.html
2014-10-27T03:55:39 < englishman> dongs how
2014-10-27T03:55:44 < englishman> looks amaze
2014-10-27T03:55:50 < englishman> going under all stms from now on
2014-10-27T03:56:00 < dongs> copypaste from examples, didnt use autogenerate shit
2014-10-27T03:56:16 < dongs> the new RCC shit is dumb
2014-10-27T03:56:26 < dongs> because now you have to do each peripheral individually
2014-10-27T03:56:29 < dongs> sinec its #dfines
2014-10-27T03:56:35 < dongs> so it would be a single write to shit
2014-10-27T03:56:46 < dongs> where RCC_AxxPeripheralClockCmd you could | them all together
2014-10-27T03:56:48 < dongs> on same bus
2014-10-27T04:07:23 < dongs> englishman: just opened in .mspaint
2014-10-27T04:07:29 < dongs> ctrlc ctrlv into altidong
2014-10-27T04:07:41 < dongs> resized to fit
2014-10-27T04:07:42 < englishman> im donging in soliddongs
2014-10-27T04:07:44 < englishman> almost there
2014-10-27T04:07:49 < dongs> if you tell me dimensions you want it in, i can export gerber
2014-10-27T04:07:57 < dongs> and you can just do import gerber in dicktrace
2014-10-27T04:07:59 < dongs> and add it as a layer
2014-10-27T04:08:11 < englishman> as big as possible i guess
2014-10-27T04:08:14 < englishman> and i can resize later
2014-10-27T04:08:18 < dongs> you cant resize it after?
2014-10-27T04:08:19 < dongs> how
2014-10-27T04:08:23 < dongs> if its gerber you cant
2014-10-27T04:08:23 < englishman> hmh
2014-10-27T04:08:30 < dongs> (i think i duno)
2014-10-27T04:08:42 < dongs> when i was using altium for overlay stuff cuz dicktrace doesnt do rotated text
2014-10-27T04:08:52 < dongs> i would make it 1:1 in altium then import as silk layer
2014-10-27T04:09:18 < dongs> http://cdn.123dapp.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/home_usp_collab.jpg cool deam
2014-10-27T04:09:22 < dongs> er team
2014-10-27T04:09:25 < dongs> dickstarter ready.
2014-10-27T04:10:23 < englishman> 15mmx15mm i suppose
2014-10-27T04:10:29 < dongs> OK.
2014-10-27T04:10:32 < englishman> and another to fit under STM
2014-10-27T04:12:01 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/PBLiKML.jpg
2014-10-27T04:12:03 < englishman> as far as i got
2014-10-27T04:13:01 < dongs> whats under stm dimension
2014-10-27T04:13:03 < dongs> like 6x6?>
2014-10-27T04:13:43 < englishman> 48 looks like that ya
2014-10-27T04:13:57 < englishman> 64 is like 8
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2014-10-27T04:19:35 < dongs> englishman: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/xA30cG20.html
2014-10-27T04:19:41 < dongs> doge.tgo
2014-10-27T04:19:42 < dongs> er gto
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2014-10-27T04:21:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TV48Ljj.jpg might be old
2014-10-27T04:24:38 < englishman> <3
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2014-10-27T04:25:51 < emeb_mac> here's one for R2COM: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/EMW3162-WiFi-Module-p-2122.html
2014-10-27T04:26:08 < emeb_mac> he was complaining that he needed a wifi module w/ FCC cert.
2014-10-27T04:26:32 < dongs> Ya
2014-10-27T04:26:39 < dongs> did that come from blogaday comments
2014-10-27T04:26:47 < dongs> about esp shit release
2014-10-27T04:26:49 < emeb_mac> yep
2014-10-27T04:28:33 < emeb_mac> pretty inexpensive and uses STM32 so development would be a bit easier than on that batshit esp stuff
2014-10-27T04:29:05 < dongs> tensilica cloneconductor
2014-10-27T04:31:22 < GargantuaSauce> never heard of sdio being used for a network interface
2014-10-27T04:31:26 < zyp> emeb_mac, man, I wasted so much time on getting the fsmc interface working
2014-10-27T04:31:39 < emeb_mac> wasted?
2014-10-27T04:31:42 < zyp> well
2014-10-27T04:31:54 < zyp> chasing down the wrong things
2014-10-27T04:32:09 < emeb_mac> GargantuaSauce: there were some wifi cards that used SD form factor and SDIO for the interface
2014-10-27T04:32:17 < GargantuaSauce> yeah other than those
2014-10-27T04:32:38 < emeb_mac> zyp: did you get it working?
2014-10-27T04:32:39 < zyp> my state machine were leaving IDLE and getting stuck somewhere as soon as NE was asserted, before NOE or NWE was asserted
2014-10-27T04:33:24 < emeb_mac> weird
2014-10-27T04:33:30 < emeb_mac> how did you debug?
2014-10-27T04:33:37 < zyp> so I dicked around with that, dialed down the clock in case I had some crosstalk from NE, and so on
2014-10-27T04:33:50 < zyp> LA/scope on lines
2014-10-27T04:34:08 < zyp> seemed fine in simulation
2014-10-27T04:34:50 < zyp> then I added those registers on all inputs in case metastability was messing it up, despite running from MCO
2014-10-27T04:34:55 < zyp> which didn't help at all, of course
2014-10-27T04:35:04 < emeb_mac> :)
2014-10-27T04:35:38 < zyp> and finally I noticed that I swapped NWE and NWAIT in the constraints file
2014-10-27T04:35:51 < emeb_mac> .ucf strikes again
2014-10-27T04:36:14 < zyp> well, .py, but still :p
2014-10-27T04:37:22 < zyp> now I have a ram block hooked up to a wishbone bridge, and it's somewhat working
2014-10-27T04:37:41 < zyp> it's dropping some reads, and I haven't figured out why yet
2014-10-27T04:37:53 < emeb_mac> it's a start
2014-10-27T04:37:58 < zyp> uh
2014-10-27T04:38:00 < zyp> writes*
2014-10-27T04:38:04 < zyp> reads seems to work fine
2014-10-27T04:38:59 < emeb_mac> finally put some verilog up for that ads-b project: https://github.com/emeb/adsb_cape/tree/master/software/verilog
2014-10-27T04:42:01 < dongs> i wish i knew wat iw as doing
2014-10-27T04:47:11 < emeb_mac> join the club
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2014-10-27T06:06:26 < dongs> i also missed chance to call it aids-b
2014-10-27T06:11:46 < zyp> shame
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2014-10-27T06:22:35 < emeb_mac> it's never too late for the snark
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2014-10-27T06:49:47 < dongs> sup dongs
2014-10-27T06:50:34 < dongs> < emeb_mac> here's one for R2COM: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/EMW3162-WiFi-Module-p-2122.html
2014-10-27T06:50:39 < dongs> FCC certified cheapass module
2014-10-27T06:50:47 < dongs> with stm32 core
2014-10-27T06:53:00 < PaulFertser> So, were the issues on the receive side or on the sending side?
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2014-10-27T06:56:23 < PaulFertser> R2COM: TCP has integrated bandwidth throttling algorithms, if the other side doesn't confirm the reception, the sending side will send the same packets slower and slower.
2014-10-27T06:56:59 < PaulFertser> Yes, but I do not see how it will help on the APP level.
2014-10-27T06:57:25 < PaulFertser> Then the module will tell you over SPI that the socket is currently closed or so.
2014-10-27T06:57:34 < PaulFertser> Because if you're not connected, then the socket won't be opened.
2014-10-27T07:00:05 < PaulFertser> There're two sockets here. One socket is the listening socket on your module. Then when your PC connects to it as a client, there appears another, real socket. And you can actually send anything only over the latter. Before that the module should refuse to send anything.
2014-10-27T07:00:17 < dongs> im pretty fucking sure you dont need IOCP and shit when dealing with a shitty wifi module on SPI
2014-10-27T07:00:34 < dongs> so you can just use plain old sockets and done
2014-10-27T07:03:59 < dongs> should be somewhre off that page
2014-10-27T07:05:53 < dongs> hm maybe i finally found use for my old amd card
2014-10-27T07:06:00 < dongs> new dicknplace software needs 1280x screen
2014-10-27T07:06:24 < dongs> so im gonna stick that in and use one of my hdmi>lcd things to make a monitor for it
2014-10-27T07:06:38 < dongs> duno man read datasheet
2014-10-27T07:06:41 < dongs> china i would imagine
2014-10-27T07:07:19 < dongs> mexichip
2014-10-27T07:11:38 < PaulFertser> R2COM: yes, I'd do that. And that special signal would be an indication that something connected to the listening socket. And I'd also listen to the events telling that the socket is closed, just that. Seems to be enough and adequate for the purpose, I do not see what any additional negotiations can give you here.
2014-10-27T07:13:25 < dongs> i agree, because tcp alreadyt does seqwuencing and checksumming etc. re-sending 'start' every 1024 bytes will just slow your shit down as it needs to roundtrip to confirm it
2014-10-27T07:14:30 < PaulFertser> IOW I'd implement it that way so as soon as I connect to it with telnet, I'd see an infinite stream of data, and as soon as I disconnected, it'd stop, and start again after reconnecting.
2014-10-27T07:14:58 < dongs> if you want  you can packetize that data
2014-10-27T07:15:01 < dongs> with some repeating headers
2014-10-27T07:15:04 < dongs> for your own purposes
2014-10-27T07:17:52 < PaulFertser> Yes, like timestamping, and probably CRC to make sure your remote device hasn't gone mad and started sending garbage.
2014-10-27T07:17:55 < PaulFertser> gtg
2014-10-27T07:20:04 < dongs> i would put a small header in each packet
2014-10-27T07:20:18 < dongs> packet type, (maybe) length, some other misc thing + crc
2014-10-27T07:20:33 < dongs> when you receive it, get 1st byte then  switch on packet type to decide what to do
2014-10-27T07:53:16 < upgrdman> nice robot thinggy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXj3mNqQb_Y
2014-10-27T07:56:06 < englishman> dongs: if you want to make a "soviet" wristwatch http://www.ebay.ca/itm/250980504381
2014-10-27T07:58:29 < dongs> englishman: https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/vfdwatch.jpg?w=849&h=450 old
2014-10-27T07:58:40 < englishman> yes that
2014-10-27T07:58:45 < englishman> $2.5 part
2014-10-27T07:59:09 < dongs> my shit still not on there
2014-10-27T07:59:14 < englishman> nope
2014-10-27T07:59:18 < englishman> no arduinos
2014-10-27T07:59:22 < englishman> or rageberrypis
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2014-10-27T08:11:19 < englishman> hmm nixie tubes + arduino + quadcopter = guaranteed hackaday post
2014-10-27T08:11:51 < englishman> oh right, it has to be a hack
2014-10-27T08:12:12 < englishman> so i have to hack together nixie tubes+arduino by following this tutorial on instructables
2014-10-27T08:12:30 < englishman> i like those magazines
2014-10-27T08:18:30 < baird> The Australian edition of ETI back in the late 1980s was fuck'n awesome. Complete homebrew computers, modems, etc.
2014-10-27T08:20:33 < baird> Huh. How would they have distributed that? I guess not in newsagents..
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2014-10-27T08:22:36 < englishman> mandatory soviet magazine distributed to all working youth
2014-10-27T08:22:58 < baird> Okay. I read earlier that some soviet microcomputer related journals were basically 'academic publications', and distributed to libraries, but otherwise unavaiable..
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2014-10-27T09:36:16 < dongs> This is an automated message from ARM/Keil Global Support. Please do not reply to this email.
2014-10-27T09:36:19 < dongs> Your recent enquiry has been logged with case reference number:
2014-10-27T09:36:21 < dongs> teehee
2014-10-27T09:36:46 < emeb_mac> yay?
2014-10-27T09:36:59 < dongs> i emailed them with l0 mass erase support
2014-10-27T09:37:07 < dongs> since their shit didnt do it
2014-10-27T09:37:16 < dongs> and i wrote one based on openocd implementation
2014-10-27T09:37:59 < emeb_mac> geez - Keil behind the curve? That's just wrong
2014-10-27T09:38:05 < dongs> i know right.
2014-10-27T09:38:10 < dongs> openocd is like the last place i'd expect to find taht shit in
2014-10-27T09:39:03 < jpa-> you stole open sores and sent it to keil?!!
2014-10-27T09:39:15 < dongs> well, i just lookeed at opensores
2014-10-27T09:39:22 < emeb_mac> contaminated
2014-10-27T09:39:31 < dongs> i had to rewrite it in keil-approved format
2014-10-27T09:39:42 < dongs> they have a little project for each chip  flash algorithm
2014-10-27T09:39:44 < dongs> that  they load into ram
2014-10-27T09:39:57 < dongs> it has like Init, ChipErase, pageErase, Program
2014-10-27T09:39:58 < emeb_mac> aha - was wondering
2014-10-27T09:39:59 < dongs> exports from .elf
2014-10-27T09:40:29 < dongs> stuff is all opensores, so i could modify it if I wanted to
2014-10-27T09:40:45 < jpa-> ah, that's probably why it didn't have stuffs
2014-10-27T09:40:51 < emeb_mac> be hilarious if they used yours & credited "dongs"
2014-10-27T09:40:59 < dongs> i dont think they credit
2014-10-27T09:41:09 < emeb_mac> bastards
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2014-10-27T10:47:03 < jadew> dongs, what model was your old SA?
2014-10-27T10:47:33 < dongs> 4402B or osmething sec
2014-10-27T10:47:44 < jadew> ah, so the new generation
2014-10-27T10:47:51 < dongs> E4402B
2014-10-27T10:47:52 < dongs> "new"?
2014-10-27T10:47:55 < dongs> no, it has floppy
2014-10-27T10:48:06 < jadew> newer than the ones I'm looking at :P
2014-10-27T10:48:13 < dongs> ah
2014-10-27T10:48:14 < jadew> has a color LCD, no?
2014-10-27T10:48:17 < dongs> my shit arriving tomrorow 9am
2014-10-27T10:48:23 < dongs> hm,,,, no i think its grayscale-ish
2014-10-27T10:48:23 < jadew> nice
2014-10-27T10:48:28 < dongs> amber
2014-10-27T10:48:36 < jadew> oh
2014-10-27T10:48:38 < dongs> or wait
2014-10-27T10:48:40 < dongs> no its color
2014-10-27T10:48:42 < dongs> cuz menu is gray
2014-10-27T10:48:45 < dongs> and bar and shit is yello
2014-10-27T10:48:49 < jadew> thought so
2014-10-27T10:50:18 < dongs> just super shitty color :)
2014-10-27T10:51:16 < jadew> it has nice specs
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2014-10-27T11:19:00 < Thorn> what do you think about this scope http://rf-measurement.net84.net/LeCroy/L9354TM/L9354TM-chan.jpg
2014-10-27T11:19:05 < Thorn> it's <$1k
2014-10-27T11:21:17 < GargantuaSauce> there's something about a dso with a crt that fundamentally bothers me
2014-10-27T11:22:47 < GargantuaSauce> do note the sample rate, you could pay half as much for something similar
2014-10-27T11:25:12 < GargantuaSauce> nevermind i am full of shit as usual
2014-10-27T11:25:52 < jpa-> Thorn: does not look bad
2014-10-27T11:26:54 < dongs> lecroy is one of those 'rate reduces with number of channels' shits
2014-10-27T11:27:15 < jpa-> yeah, it says that quite clearly at the top
2014-10-27T11:27:22 < Thorn> rigol is the same
2014-10-27T11:27:44 < Thorn> btw the model for sale has 8M of sample memory, not 2
2014-10-27T11:28:08 < jpa-> it is a pretty reasonable tradeoff, to have 4x the samplerate if you only need a single channel
2014-10-27T11:28:14 < dongs> thorn, you can buy my old DPO4034 for like 5k if you want
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2014-10-27T11:29:32 < Thorn> customs here is a gamble with these things
2014-10-27T11:29:35 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271542553375
2014-10-27T11:29:36 < Thorn> unfortunately
2014-10-27T11:29:52 < dongs> is that in soviet russia?
2014-10-27T11:30:16 < dongs> i'd imagine prety much anything there is a gamble unless y ou're paying off some government official
2014-10-27T11:30:20 < Thorn> yes. there are companies that 'solve problems' when importing from china
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2014-10-27T12:20:28 < kakeman> would you even concider to buy entry level scope?
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2014-10-27T12:20:57 < jpa-> what is "entry level scope" nowadays?
2014-10-27T12:21:22 < kakeman> I have ds1054e and thinking about http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/DS1000Z/
2014-10-27T12:21:23 < dongs> entry-loller
2014-10-27T12:21:54 < dongs> thats pretty big
2014-10-27T12:22:56 < jadew> I have the DS1104Z, it's a nice scope
2014-10-27T12:23:07 < jadew> 60k wfm/s
2014-10-27T12:23:22 < jadew> it's bad ass
2014-10-27T12:23:26 < jadew> (for the price)
2014-10-27T12:23:47 < PeterM> i've got a 1074z, was cheap, price vs performance is nice but interface is meh with shared controls between channels
2014-10-27T12:23:48 < Thorn> can it show eye diagrams?
2014-10-27T12:23:52 < dongs> haha
2014-10-27T12:23:55 < dongs> of what
2014-10-27T12:23:58 < dongs> 10mhz signals?
2014-10-27T12:23:59 < jadew> Thorn, of course
2014-10-27T12:24:06 < scrts> I've got that hackable hantek.. :))
2014-10-27T12:24:14 < scrts> enough for home hobby purposes
2014-10-27T12:24:31 < kakeman> ye
2014-10-27T12:24:38 < kakeman> it actually is
2014-10-27T12:24:50 < jadew> dongs, actually the bandwidth on mine is higher than 120 MHz
2014-10-27T12:25:08 < kakeman> jadew: ?
2014-10-27T12:25:20 < jadew> kakeman, the DS1104z
2014-10-27T12:26:27 < jadew> dongs, compared to the previous models it also has interpolation between the trigger and the sample time so you get spot on signal
2014-10-27T12:26:31 < jadew> (I checked)
2014-10-27T12:26:47 < jadew> so the trigger jitter is minimal
2014-10-27T12:26:47 < dongs> i ghettoed up a 11" 1080p panel on my dicknplace
2014-10-27T12:26:49 < dongs> for monitor
2014-10-27T12:26:54 < dongs> using my hdmi board
2014-10-27T12:27:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3bOAtua.jpg
2014-10-27T12:27:15 < dongs> looks better than old TN 1024x768 trash
2014-10-27T12:28:19 < jadew> do you actually use the P&P machine?
2014-10-27T12:29:10 < jadew> for the record, I think I observed at most 200 ps of jitter on this scope
2014-10-27T12:29:28 < jadew> which is impresive
2014-10-27T12:34:40 < Claude> jadew, on my sub 200 euro used lecroy i have 20ppm ;)
2014-10-27T12:35:03 < Thorn> only 250M/ch with 4 ch running on that rigol
2014-10-27T12:35:03 < jadew> 20 ppm of what? :)
2014-10-27T12:35:09 < Claude> but still bought a 1074z too some months ago
2014-10-27T12:35:36 < Claude> horizontal jitter
2014-10-27T12:35:51 < jadew> yeah, but 20 ppm of what unit?
2014-10-27T12:35:56 < jadew> 1 second?
2014-10-27T12:36:00 < zyp> jadew, ten years
2014-10-27T12:36:06 < Claude> ref clock 10MHz usually
2014-10-27T12:36:55 < jadew> 20 ppm of 10 MHz is 500 ps :)
2014-10-27T12:37:22 < Claude> oha
2014-10-27T12:37:24 < Claude> :)
2014-10-27T12:37:37 < jadew> maybe I'm wrong
2014-10-27T12:37:40 < jadew> give me a sec
2014-10-27T12:37:49 < Claude> how did you measure the 200ps on the rigol ?
2014-10-27T12:38:14 < Claude> tcxo =
2014-10-27T12:38:34 < jadew> Claude, I triggered on a signal and noticed the width of the trace (it has gradation on the scope)
2014-10-27T12:38:58 < jadew> and based on that I concluded it's less than 200 ps
2014-10-27T12:39:07 < Claude> ah okay
2014-10-27T12:39:11 < jadew> the issue there is that the clock of the scope is different than the signal
2014-10-27T12:39:17 < jadew> so it has to offset the trace
2014-10-27T12:39:17 < Claude> yes
2014-10-27T12:39:23 < jadew> in order to do that they use interpolation
2014-10-27T12:39:36 < jadew> between the trigger time and the edge of the sample clock
2014-10-27T12:39:51 < jadew> if they wouldn't do that, the jitter would be much higher
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2014-10-27T12:41:16 < Claude> Time Base Accuracy[1] ≤ ± 25 ppm <--- rigol datasheet
2014-10-27T12:41:32 < jadew> yeah, but that doesn't matter much because of this
2014-10-27T12:41:55 < jadew> it will make a difference on longer recordings
2014-10-27T12:42:09 < jadew> because the timebase will drift a bit during that time, but not by much
2014-10-27T12:42:13 < Claude> hmm i don't get it tbh
2014-10-27T12:42:45 < jadew> that figure, the 25 ppm thing, refers to the internal time base
2014-10-27T12:43:13 < jadew> so it's clock may be out by 25 ppm
2014-10-27T12:43:16 < Claude> yeah and jitter is a variance in the continous clock for example , right?
2014-10-27T12:43:28 < jadew> yes
2014-10-27T12:43:52 < jadew> well, that's clock jitter
2014-10-27T12:44:02 < jadew> but there's also jitter introduced because of the difference I was talking about
2014-10-27T12:44:11 < jadew> between the input signal and your clock
2014-10-27T12:44:11 < Claude> ahhh okay
2014-10-27T12:44:12 < Claude> :)
2014-10-27T12:44:20 < jadew> for example you may sample at 1 GSa/s
2014-10-27T12:44:29 < jadew> and you signal comes in in the middle of 2 samples
2014-10-27T12:44:39 < jadew> the next time you trigger is closer to the first sample
2014-10-27T12:44:52 < jadew> the next time closer to the second sample point and so on
2014-10-27T12:45:18 < jadew> if they would ignore this, you would have about 1 ns of jitter, only from this
2014-10-27T12:45:53 < jadew> the time base in this case could probably be discarded as a source of jitter, since there's already too much jitter from the design itself
2014-10-27T12:46:08 < Claude> okay slowly i get it :)
2014-10-27T12:46:27 < jadew> now what they did was to analogically measure the difference between the trigger time (when the outside signal came in) and the next sample point
2014-10-27T12:46:34 < jadew> and correct for that on the display
2014-10-27T12:46:53 < jadew> so they get less than 1 ns accuracy in regard to where the signal is (in time)
2014-10-27T12:47:40 < jadew> so, if you take a sample at second 0 and you know the signal got triggered -0.5 seconds before
2014-10-27T12:47:47 < jadew> you display this dot at +0.5
2014-10-27T12:47:57 < jadew> so the trigger point falls right in the middle, on second 0
2014-10-27T12:47:58 < Claude> okay that way they get away with errhmm cheap technology (fpga) and still give the impression that all is meassured fine. but i guess thats not valid for single shot
2014-10-27T12:48:32 < jadew> it's valid for single shot too, in the sense that the wave gets positioned on 0, but that doesn't matter much
2014-10-27T12:48:38 < jadew> for single shot you only care about sample rate
2014-10-27T12:48:41 < jadew> and bw
2014-10-27T12:49:10 < jadew> and maybe time base jitter if you're going to make a lengthy recording
2014-10-27T12:49:22 < Claude> ah so they have an analog trigger and a digital one , they meassure the difference in time between these and correct the display ?
2014-10-27T12:50:12 < jadew> the tirgger is probably some comparator + sample and hold / low pass filter circuit
2014-10-27T12:50:27 < jadew> and they stop charging it when they take the sample
2014-10-27T12:50:31 < Claude> e.g. feeding the two signals into a realy fast counter
2014-10-27T12:50:50 < jadew> then they read that value via an ADC and solve the charging curve into a time period
2014-10-27T12:51:02 < Claude> hmm okay nice idea
2014-10-27T12:51:30 < jadew> that's what interpolation refers to when it comes to frequency counters
2014-10-27T12:51:52 < jadew> they work in the same way, otherwise they wouldn't be able to get higher resolution then what they're timebases are
2014-10-27T12:52:23 < Claude> nice , thanks for the explanations jadew
2014-10-27T12:52:29 < jadew> np
2014-10-27T12:59:09 < jadew> I just figured out how that 20 ppm figure translates to jitter
2014-10-27T12:59:21 < jadew> you basically have a 20 ppm drift maximum / s
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2014-10-27T12:59:49 < jadew> so you have at most 500 ps / 10 000 000 jitter per sample
2014-10-27T12:59:53 < jadew> which is nothing
2014-10-27T13:00:28 < dongs> < jadew> do you actually use the P&P machine?
2014-10-27T13:00:30 < dongs> uh yeah, like daily
2014-10-27T13:01:12 < dongs> do you think i just keep it in my room for show?
2014-10-27T13:01:25 < jadew> hehe, don't know, I thougth you're just designing stuff
2014-10-27T13:01:37 < jadew> didn't know you're making more than 1 board at a time
2014-10-27T13:02:50 < jadew> that 500 ps still doesn't sound right... wth is 20 ppm of 10 MHz?
2014-10-27T13:03:06 < jadew> 1 ppm is 10 us
2014-10-27T13:03:15 < jadew> wait
2014-10-27T13:03:16 < jadew> it's 1
2014-10-27T13:03:23 < jadew> no..
2014-10-27T13:03:26 < jadew> ffs
2014-10-27T13:03:47 < Thorn> 1ppm of 10MHz is 10Hz amirite
2014-10-27T13:03:51 < jadew> yes
2014-10-27T13:04:19 < jadew> 1 ppm of 10 MHz should be 10 us
2014-10-27T13:04:26 < jadew> so 20 ppm is 200 us?
2014-10-27T13:04:56 < dongs> parts per dong
2014-10-27T13:05:05 < jadew> still doesn't sound right
2014-10-27T13:05:12 < jadew> it's too much
2014-10-27T13:06:16 < dongs> haha wow
2014-10-27T13:06:19 < dongs> i found a fail in excel2013
2014-10-27T13:06:22 < dongs> if you select some shit
2014-10-27T13:06:25 < dongs> like a row
2014-10-27T13:06:26 < dongs> and ctrl=click it
2014-10-27T13:06:29 < dongs> to you know,unselect
2014-10-27T13:06:34 < dongs> it just keeps making the row darker and darker
2014-10-27T13:06:45 < dongs> like applying the shaded selection over and over
2014-10-27T13:06:53 < zyp> it's so you can select while you select
2014-10-27T13:06:55 < jadew> so 1 ppm of 10 Mhz = 10 Hz, 20 ppm = 200 Hz and my freq. gen says 10,000,200 Hz is 99.998 ns
2014-10-27T13:06:58 < dongs> yes
2014-10-27T13:07:05 < jadew> so 2 ps
2014-10-27T13:07:46 < jadew> dongs, werid bug
2014-10-27T13:07:56 < jadew> I wonder how it got through beta testing
2014-10-27T13:07:57 < zyp> dongs, that sounds like something that might blow up if you try copying and pasting, and suddenly have ten values pasted into the same cell
2014-10-27T13:08:38 < dongs> jadew: it wokrs on anything actually
2014-10-27T13:08:43 < dongs> ctrl+click any cell
2014-10-27T13:08:46 < dongs> and it will keep making it darker
2014-10-27T13:09:04 < jadew> dongs, any chance you're out of memory?
2014-10-27T13:09:15 < dongs> wiht 32gb ram? unlikely.
2014-10-27T13:09:19 < jadew> yeah...
2014-10-27T13:10:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/b90CiNt.png
2014-10-27T13:10:21 < dongs> heh
2014-10-27T13:10:39 < dongs> if I try to copy that
2014-10-27T13:10:40 < dongs> it says
2014-10-27T13:10:44 < dongs> cannot be used on multiple selections
2014-10-27T13:11:07 < zyp> what if you mark only a single cell twice and try copying?
2014-10-27T13:11:25 < dongs> already fails
2014-10-27T13:11:27 < dongs> 'multiple selections'
2014-10-27T13:11:32 < zyp> right
2014-10-27T13:12:00  * TheSeven grumbles
2014-10-27T13:12:59 < jadew> sounds counter intuitive, but maybe they're using that for something?
2014-10-27T13:16:58 < jadew> are you guys aware of a free EDA tool that can simulate rf signal propagation?
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2014-10-27T13:21:30 < Thorn> I've seen pirated hyperlynx some time ago
2014-10-27T13:21:33 < Claude> jadew, free space or e.g. pcb ?
2014-10-27T13:21:42 < jadew> Claude, pcb
2014-10-27T13:22:04 < Claude> hm nope
2014-10-27T13:22:13 < jadew> Thorn, that thing looks nice
2014-10-27T13:22:35 < jadew> Claude, yeah, I couldn't find anything either
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2014-10-27T13:34:29 < dongs> got bottom of rapeberry thing programmed
2014-10-27T13:34:34 < dongs> new software is slightly more usable
2014-10-27T13:34:39 < dongs> now that there's more than 8 characters to describe part
2014-10-27T13:38:49 < petus> Hi everybody :-) does anybody website tutorial for programming STM32 without Std_Library by STM?
2014-10-27T13:39:49 < emeryth> you mean bare metal register programming?
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2014-10-27T13:43:17 < emeryth> if you want something other than the st library, you could try libopencm3 or chibios
2014-10-27T13:47:03 < dongs> just read stm32fxx_xx.h header file and reference manual
2014-10-27T13:48:51 < petus> i don't want to use libraries by stm or at so on... :-)
2014-10-27T13:49:03 < petus> dongs: i do it :-))
2014-10-27T13:49:11 < dongs> then youre done
2014-10-27T13:49:18 < dongs> waht other fucking tutorial do you want
2014-10-27T13:49:43 < petus> inspiration :-)
2014-10-27T13:49:54 < dongs> i can only think of wasting time
2014-10-27T13:50:38 < petus> It  didn't :-)
2014-10-27T13:50:51 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/h38s1P49.html
2014-10-27T13:50:55 < dongs> you can make your code look like this
2014-10-27T13:51:02 < dongs> make sure you use no comments
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2014-10-27T13:51:50 < emeryth> or just open your favourite hex editor and start writing firmware.bin
2014-10-27T13:52:11 < petus> :D
2014-10-27T13:52:28 < dongs> hex editors? just start manually toggling bits into ram
2014-10-27T13:52:33 < dongs> with dip switches
2014-10-27T13:52:46 < jadew> that's how real men do it
2014-10-27T13:53:32 < dongs> stm32f10x.h is by ST but its part of CMSIS or wahtever shit
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2014-10-27T13:53:44 < dongs> unless you also wanna remake all peripheral strucutes etc
2014-10-27T13:54:48 < petus> I write code this: http://chiptron.petus.cz/articles.php?article_id=60 for example...
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2014-10-27T13:55:17 < dongs> well, thats using stm32f10x.h
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2014-10-27T13:55:27 < dongs> or your own made up structs/defines
2014-10-27T13:55:40 < dongs> looks like your own
2014-10-27T13:56:49 < dongs> at least your // comments are consistently ugly
2014-10-27T13:57:07 < dongs> code loosk ok. where's the problem?
2014-10-27T13:57:37 < dongs> GPIOA->AFR[1] |= 0x00000770; its shit like this that guarantees  your employment for years.
2014-10-27T13:58:04 < emeryth> xD
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2014-10-27T13:59:26 < petus> in next text is comment ;-)
2014-10-27T13:59:44 < karlp> yeah, I'd shoto you if I had to work with you.
2014-10-27T13:59:44 < dongs> ? where?
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2014-10-27T14:01:54 < petus> On this picture is setting of the register AFR - setting alternate function.
2014-10-27T14:02:00 < petus> etc
2014-10-27T14:02:05 < dongs> yes, i gathered that much
2014-10-27T14:02:08 < dongs> thats REALLY NOT HELPFUL
2014-10-27T14:02:49 < petus> why? :-D
2014-10-27T14:04:02 < dongs> duno man, if oyu dont see it, then i probably won't be able to explain it
2014-10-27T14:04:23 < dongs> USART1->BRR = 0x682; or this kinda shit
2014-10-27T14:04:24 < dongs> comeon
2014-10-27T14:05:22 < emeryth> security by obscurity, the chinese won't be able to clone that firmware
2014-10-27T14:07:41 < TheSeven> hah, looks like one can lock up stlink chips...
2014-10-27T14:08:09 < dongs> you're probably just doing something wrong :)
2014-10-27T14:09:03 < TheSeven> tried to dump some memory region
2014-10-27T14:09:15 < dongs> of stlink?
2014-10-27T14:09:19 < dongs> or target
2014-10-27T14:09:22 < TheSeven> no, of the target+
2014-10-27T14:09:39 < TheSeven> and after that the stlink stopped responding to USB at all ;)
2014-10-27T14:09:45 < dongs> cute
2014-10-27T14:09:55 < petus> dongs: it is classic code for set Baud Rate :-D, if you use StdLibrary BRR = 9600, the library does the same command as my code :D
2014-10-27T14:10:06 < emeryth> maybe it detected copyright infringement in that memory
2014-10-27T14:10:06 < petus> but my code will be smaller :)
2014-10-27T14:10:18 < dongs> petus: i understand what it does.
2014-10-27T14:10:24 < dongs> you 5 months later won't.
2014-10-27T14:10:27 < dongs> or the person who replaces you
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2014-10-27T14:10:41 < karlp> TheSeven: what too are you using to read? I've onyl done that when I was talking to the stlink with libusb myself,
2014-10-27T14:10:59 < TheSeven> st-util + gdb
2014-10-27T14:11:23 < TheSeven> I was trying to dump some hardware register address space though
2014-10-27T14:11:37 < karlp> st-util is a pile of bandaids
2014-10-27T14:11:41 < petus> dongs: 5 months later I will know what it does, because I have to calculate it :-)))
2014-10-27T14:11:48 < karlp> if you get out of line at all, there's good chances of things going south
2014-10-27T14:11:50 < TheSeven> yes, but openocd has its own set of problems
2014-10-27T14:12:11 < karlp> what are the openocd problems now? I don't have any any more, and haven't for a whiel
2014-10-27T14:12:35 < TheSeven> refusing to access memory that it just doesn't know about
2014-10-27T14:13:05 < petus> stop flame :) Does anybody tutorial for programming STM32 without Std Library by STM? :) thanks
2014-10-27T14:13:25 < karlp> petus: you got your answers, were you hoping for something else?
2014-10-27T14:15:03 < PaulFertser> TheSeven: what do you mean here? Let's move to #openocd and discuss all the issues you're aware of, please?
2014-10-27T14:15:10 < dongs> ;d
2014-10-27T14:15:25 < petus> karlp: Yes, I hoped :-) f.e. links on other websites about programming STM :)
2014-10-27T14:15:39 < TheSeven> PaulFertser: not quite sure what was going on, I just tried it briefly, something failed in an odd way, and I decided to go back to st-util for now
2014-10-27T14:16:01 < TheSeven> PaulFertser: I might have a closer look once I get that ethernet MAC running :/
2014-10-27T14:16:17 < karlp> you might get it running faster using oocd rather than somethign that's locking up your debugger ;)
2014-10-27T14:16:48 < PaulFertser> TheSeven: ok, please feel welcome at #openocd, we're really interested in feedback.
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2014-10-27T14:28:42 < Tectu_> BrainDamage, you once linked me some rivets/centerpunch thing on ebay. Do you still have that link around?
2014-10-27T14:42:57 < TheSeven> karlp: don't think so. I can't even get openocd to add a breakpoint right now :/
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2014-10-27T15:14:05 < dongs> fucking altium and naming nets across different sheets
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2014-10-27T15:37:33 < Steffann> Tectu_, when Tectu_ doesn't log, Tectu_ goes to: http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/ guess which month it was, presses ctrl+f and finds it. ( or download all logs and use command line magic)
2014-10-27T15:37:36 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx
2014-10-27T15:38:30 < Steffanx> and then Tectu_ will find: http://www.ebay.it/itm/Set-metalizzazione-fori-Diam-interno-1-0mm-Diam-foro-1-5mm-100-pezzi-/271514477846?pt=Attrezzature_e_strumentazione&hash=item3f3786251
2014-10-27T15:53:39 < dongs> http://habhub.org/zeusbot/logs_highlighted/highaltitude.log.20130125.html#L222
2014-10-27T15:58:56 < GargantuaSauce> Mar 5, 2013 - [23:27] <Laurenceb_> http://xn--d-bga.su/
2014-10-27T16:01:01 < dongs> heh
2014-10-27T16:02:36 < dongs> you need a blog there
2014-10-27T16:02:40 < dongs> holy fuck
2014-10-27T16:02:48 < dongs> dl-fldigi UI is like
2014-10-27T16:02:50 < dongs> w o w
2014-10-27T16:03:09 < GargantuaSauce> nah my blog is on my not-weeb domain
2014-10-27T16:09:20 < PaulFertser> btw, if anyone is interested in radically improved CMSIS-DAP performance with OpenOCD, feel free to test the patch I pushed yesterday. It works fine on the only cmsis-dap board I have, so it's not tested enough yet.
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2014-10-27T16:53:34 < chris_99> hey is any anyone using stm32 with Ubuntu Utopic, i had it working, but i notice the package repo seems to 404 now
2014-10-27T16:53:36 < chris_99> http://ppa.launchpad.net/terry.guo/gcc-arm-embedded/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
2014-10-27T16:53:59 < englishman> dongs
2014-10-27T16:54:00 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/VDBsklY.jpg
2014-10-27T16:54:12 < englishman> sorry but you are behind the curve in advanced teledildonics
2014-10-27T16:55:25 < Thorn> chris_99: download it from https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded ?
2014-10-27T16:57:19 < GargantuaSauce> would have to be a pretty wussy vibration motor to run off 9v
2014-10-27T16:58:14 < chris_99> cheers Thorn, do i install from their binary .zip (https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+download) or do they have deb files?
2014-10-27T16:58:57 < Thorn> they did have .debs but dongs called them and now they don't
2014-10-27T16:59:08 < Thorn> just use the archive
2014-10-27T17:01:04 < chris_99> will do, cheers
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2014-10-27T17:42:25 < Steffanx> (didnt see this yet here) When Laurenceb does product design: http://i.imgur.com/L4yBGVZ.jpg
2014-10-27T17:43:59 < kakeman> wat country is this?
2014-10-27T17:44:09 < kakeman> english, euro
2014-10-27T17:44:29 < Steffanx> Yeah, i was wondering the same
2014-10-27T17:44:41 < kakeman> ireland?
2014-10-27T17:45:07 < englishman> probably
2014-10-27T17:45:10 < englishman> UK on one of the labels
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2014-10-27T17:45:45 < englishman> cool, i didnt know that ireland was on the euro.
2014-10-27T17:46:08 < kakeman> WHO KNEW
2014-10-27T17:46:15 < kakeman> whops caps
2014-10-27T17:47:32 < kakeman> that symbol of trefoil must be their "locally produced" symbol
2014-10-27T17:48:19 < englishman> shamrock milk
2014-10-27T17:49:10 < kakeman> oh its not trefoil
2014-10-27T17:49:16 < kakeman> but that thing
2014-10-27T17:49:36 < Steffanx> ah, ireland.. i always forget about that country. You never hear anything about it
2014-10-27T17:50:19 < kakeman> wat was that ira thing?
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2014-10-27T17:53:16 < Steffanx> i think that was mainly Northern Ireland kakeman
2014-10-27T17:53:19 < jadew> they have ok beer
2014-10-27T17:53:56 < BrainDamage> ira was in north ireland, not south
2014-10-27T17:57:17 < kakeman> hm m
2014-10-27T17:57:30 < kakeman> should visit
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2014-10-27T18:18:05 < chris_99> has anyone built the arm compiler from source : i ran  build-prerequisites.sh which works fine, but on build-toolchain it errors with : ./bfd.h:529:65: error: right-hand operand of comma expression has no effect [-Werror=unused-value] #define bfd_set_cacheable(abfd,bool) (((abfd)->cacheable = bool), TRUE)
2014-10-27T18:18:21 < chris_99> should i just hack the script to stop that being an error
2014-10-27T18:18:26 < Laurenceb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2x8i0ewGdM
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2014-10-27T18:21:01 < Fleck> Steffanx: depends where do you "listen"
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2014-10-27T20:28:02 < ossifrage> Found an interesting oops yesterday when mixing const, data in flash and -flto
2014-10-27T20:28:57 < ossifrage> I had a section of bootloader data in a section and in my app I used the section attribute to bind a const symbol to that address.
2014-10-27T20:29:20 < ossifrage> -flto comes along sees that the data is zero filled and happily optimizes it away, doh
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2014-10-27T21:02:48 < synic> Just getting into SPI and I'm sure some of these questions will be dumb.  Sorry in advance
2014-10-27T21:03:27 < synic> if I want a speed of 1Mbps, and I'm running my chip at 48Mhz, what prescaler setting should I use for SPI?
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2014-10-27T21:05:07 < bvernoux> synic: it is on which STM32 ?
2014-10-27T21:05:16 < synic> stm32f303
2014-10-27T21:05:39 < bvernoux> I recommend you to use stm32cubef3 driver
2014-10-27T21:06:01 < synic> what does that do?
2014-10-27T21:06:07 < bvernoux> I have never used F3 IIRC it is same as F4 but I'm not really sure on SPI
2014-10-27T21:06:30 < bvernoux> synic: because on HAL driver you just set the SPI freq in Hz
2014-10-27T21:06:48 < bvernoux> and it returns you the nearest possible freq IIRC
2014-10-27T21:07:19 < bvernoux> it also depends on the SPI you are using
2014-10-27T21:07:24 < zyp> synic, depends what bus prescaler you're using
2014-10-27T21:07:50 < zyp> spi prescaler should be set to bus clock / spi clock
2014-10-27T21:08:23 < zyp> and if you're runningthe chip at 48 MHz, you're probably running the bus at 24 MHz, meaning you want a prescaler of 24
2014-10-27T21:08:34 < synic> I imagine the bus clock is set somewhere in that black box system_stm32f30x file somewhere
2014-10-27T21:08:51 < synic> ok
2014-10-27T21:09:20 < bvernoux> it depends on lot of clock
2014-10-27T21:09:51 < synic> what is the HAL driver anyway?
2014-10-27T21:10:46 < bvernoux> stm32cube7
2014-10-27T21:10:57 < bvernoux> there is a tool to better understand the clocking
2014-10-27T21:11:06 < bvernoux> work under excel
2014-10-27T21:14:24 < synic> k, I'll give it a try
2014-10-27T21:24:09 < bvernoux> synic: download stm32091
2014-10-27T21:24:52 < bvernoux> as SPI freq depends on SYSCLK then AHB prescaller then APB1 or APB2 prescaler
2014-10-27T21:25:06 < bvernoux> and finaly baudrate you set in the register
2014-10-27T21:25:46 < synic> looks like that one is just for f4
2014-10-27T21:25:50 < bvernoux> yes
2014-10-27T21:25:55 < bvernoux> I do not know the F
2014-10-27T21:25:56 < bvernoux> F3
2014-10-27T21:26:01 < bvernoux> I only use F4
2014-10-27T21:26:14 < synic> oh, I've got the stm32cube3, it's extracting now
2014-10-27T21:26:32 < synic> btw, what is AHB, APB1, APB2?
2014-10-27T21:26:41 < bvernoux> example of clocks on F4
2014-10-27T21:26:42 < bvernoux> http://hydrabus.com/hydrafw_mcuconf_STM32F4xx_Clock_Configuration_V1.1.0.png
2014-10-27T21:27:20 < bvernoux> APB it is peripheral BUS it is connected on different peripherals
2014-10-27T21:27:32 < bvernoux> for example SPI1 can be on APB1 and SPI2 on APB2 ....
2014-10-27T21:27:46 < synic> AHB is the same, though?  Just a different peripheral bus?
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2014-10-27T21:47:31 < bvernoux> synic: AHB is the main bus Amba High Performance Bus
2014-10-27T21:47:49 < bvernoux> it can run at same freq as SYSCLK or lower
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2014-10-27T21:59:13 < bvernoux> synic: you can download that http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/PF259242#
2014-10-27T21:59:26 < bvernoux> synic: it include the clocking stuff for each STM32Fx
2014-10-27T22:01:55 < bvernoux> synic: for info on STM32F4 http://hydrabus.com/STM32F4_Clocks_PLL_Periph.pdf
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2014-10-27T22:07:01 < synic> ok, so since SPI1 is an APB2Peripheral, and my APB2 prescaler is just 1, that means that the spi bus is running at 48MHz
2014-10-27T22:08:11 < synic> does that sound correct?  And with a target data speed of 1Mbps, how do I determine which prescaler value to use?
2014-10-27T22:08:56 < synic> bvernoux: yeah, I got stm32cubemx, but really, I'm not sure how the generated code is of any use to me
2014-10-27T22:09:08 < bvernoux> yu don't care of generated code ;)
2014-10-27T22:09:16 < bvernoux> just use the excel to understand how that work
2014-10-27T22:09:34 < synic> well, I sorta get how it works with that config screen
2014-10-27T22:10:00 < bvernoux> anyway i do not know what is your configuration for different stuff so I cannot help on that
2014-10-27T22:10:29 < synic> however, I don't see how the APB1 prescaler value correlates to my code, which is a file like this: https://github.com/synic/neoclock/blob/stm32f303_portA/src/system_stm32f30x.c
2014-10-27T22:10:59 < synic> it's very cryptic.  afaic, RCC_CFGR_HPRE_DIV1 is AHB
2014-10-27T22:11:13 < synic> RCC_CFGR_PPRE1_DIV2 is for apb1
2014-10-27T22:11:24 < bvernoux> it is why I have wrote an excel for that
2014-10-27T22:11:30 < bvernoux> but it is for F4
2014-10-27T22:11:36 < bvernoux> F3 is different anyway
2014-10-27T22:12:50 < bvernoux> synic: if you are not sure of the final freq there is a simple hint
2014-10-27T22:13:11 < bvernoux> synic: use a GPIO which can be configured as CLK_OUT and connect the peripheral clock you want on it
2014-10-27T22:13:24 < bvernoux> and check with an oscilloscope the frequency
2014-10-27T22:15:23 < synic> k, that's what I'll do
2014-10-27T22:15:42 < bvernoux> synic: the problem on your init is you do not have the comment and you need to extract the value and calculate each peripheral clock
2014-10-27T22:16:12 < bvernoux> you can also generate a configuration with STM32Cube tool and replace it
2014-10-27T22:16:22 < bvernoux> then you need to use STM32Cube init
2014-10-27T22:17:31 < synic> bvernoux: what comment are you referring to?
2014-10-27T22:17:53 < bvernoux> synic: I just say you have a file and you do not know where it come from 'im right ?
2014-10-27T22:18:24 < synic> oh, it came from the stdperiph examples
2014-10-27T22:18:31 < bvernoux> so you need to reverse the conf to understand how it work to know which peripheral as which freq ...
2014-10-27T22:18:58 < bvernoux> so maybe the simplest way is to regenerate a new one with stm32cube tools and use it
2014-10-27T22:19:28 < synic> well, I can generate one, but I'm worried all this _hal business is going to make it so I can't just use it as a drop in
2014-10-27T22:19:44 < bvernoux> you can only use the new init
2014-10-27T22:19:48 < bvernoux> and keep your driver
2014-10-27T22:20:05 < bvernoux> i'm mixing stuff like that in my project
2014-10-27T22:20:14 < bvernoux> mixing chibios driver & stm32cube driver
2014-10-27T22:23:27 < bvernoux> see you bye
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2014-10-27T22:38:25 < synic> which files are the ones I need for init?
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2014-10-27T23:12:24  * TheSeven is completely stuck now :/
2014-10-27T23:12:32 < fbs> nice
2014-10-27T23:14:51 < TheSeven> I must be missing something completely dumb
2014-10-27T23:15:31 < monique> you wont find it on ##stm32
2014-10-27T23:18:00 < karlp> just one idea, you're doing ethernet on an f2 right?
2014-10-27T23:18:21 < karlp> you're not using one of the ones that's actually only an f205, but you thought it ws goign to work anyway? and some of it's registers work?
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2014-10-27T23:36:33 < TheSeven> karlp: the plan is to try that out, but for now I'm testing on f407
2014-10-27T23:36:47 < TheSeven> and I have one piece of code that works and one that doesn't - and I fail to find the difference
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2014-10-27T23:38:12 < karlp> ok, just hoping it wasn't somethign as completely dumb as using the periph that you weren't sold ;)
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2014-10-28T00:07:52 < Tectu_> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/digital-oscilloscope-logic-analyzer-signal-pwm-generator-frequency-counter-/111492526610?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item19f578f212
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2014-10-28T00:10:14 < jadew> Tectu_, I love the case
2014-10-28T00:10:24 < dongs> so nrf51822 is cheaper than stm32f103cb and I get free bluetooth with it
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2014-10-28T00:12:19 < Tectu_> jadew, :D
2014-10-28T00:12:58 < Tectu_> dongs, it's like those discovery boards where the chip that implements the STLink (also an STM32) is 6 times more powerful and 3 times more expensive than the actual MCU
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2014-10-28T00:24:41 < monique> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CiE32h55HI
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2014-10-28T00:36:01 < TheSeven> hah. register dumps show a difference at least!
2014-10-28T00:39:10 < zyp> dongs, shame it's pretty lousy apart from the radio
2014-10-28T00:39:45 < dongs> zyp, yeah, but dicks here were saying I should spin 2 versions one with BT with nrf and one wiht stm32 for shit wihtout, i was like wut, that'd be waste of time
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2014-10-28T00:40:31 < zyp> unless they want usb on their dildo instead
2014-10-28T00:40:35 < dongs> maintainting ~same firmware for bt/no bt version on different rpocessors sounds retarded
2014-10-28T00:40:39 < dongs> yeah
2014-10-28T00:41:25 < zyp> hmm, is stm32l0 available from china yet?
2014-10-28T00:41:38 < zyp> I think last time I asked, f0 was, but l0 wasn't
2014-10-28T00:41:42 < dongs> ill ask again
2014-10-28T00:41:49 < dongs> i got my small board working the other day
2014-10-28T00:41:59 < dongs> with cubeaids bits carefeully puleld out
2014-10-28T00:42:20 < dongs> and I had to make a legacy keil project because L0 support was only available as device pack
2014-10-28T00:42:20 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/wAslT.JPG <- I should whip up some shit to drive this some day
2014-10-28T00:42:42 < dongs> heh
2014-10-28T00:42:46 < dongs> how many segments is that?
2014-10-28T00:42:57 < zyp> too lazy to count?
2014-10-28T00:43:00 < zyp> 16 plus the dot
2014-10-28T00:43:12 < dongs> yea just counted
2014-10-28T00:43:31 < dongs> nice, you can still abuse a 24bit led driver to run them
2014-10-28T00:43:43 < dongs> if you skip  the dots you can do 8 of them
2014-10-28T00:45:16 < zyp> I'm a bit worried about uneven brightness since some segments are two leds and some are four, the latter apparently with two and two in parallel
2014-10-28T00:45:52 < zyp> so I suspect I want one driver for high current segments and one driver for low current segments
2014-10-28T00:47:55 < zyp> also, I'll probably do three on a board, to avoid making the boards too large, then have master/slave assembly variants with a microcontroller on the master and just hooking slaves onto the same signal chain
2014-10-28T00:49:17 < TheSeven> WHAT THE FUCK
2014-10-28T00:49:30 < TheSeven> something's messed up with the register define headers
2014-10-28T00:49:38 < TheSeven> the DMAOMR address is off by 4
2014-10-28T00:49:43 < TheSeven> that explains a damn lot of things
2014-10-28T00:49:54 < dongs> uhhh
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2014-10-28T00:50:00 < dongs> unlikely
2014-10-28T00:50:16 < TheSeven> DMAOMR is 0x1018 according to the datasheet
2014-10-28T00:50:30 < TheSeven> gdb just revealed that the code thinks it's 0x101c
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2014-10-28T00:53:12 < TheSeven> wow
2014-10-28T00:53:31 < TheSeven> DMASR is 8 bytes according to gdb :/
2014-10-28T00:53:39 < dongs> blame gdb
2014-10-28T00:53:39 < TheSeven> wtf is going on there..
2014-10-28T00:54:26 < Simon--> multiarch gdb?
2014-10-28T00:55:30 < TheSeven> well gdb picks that from the elf file, so it's wrong there already
2014-10-28T00:55:50 < TheSeven> and if I paste that definition into codepad.org it's just 4 bytes...
2014-10-28T00:55:53 < TheSeven> gcc bug?
2014-10-28T00:57:18 < CipherWizard> Does anyone have an example I can study of a USB interrupt endpoint using libopencm3 for a function that is not cdc or hid?
2014-10-28T00:58:12 < CipherWizard> Really I guess it does not even need to be a libopencm3 example.
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2014-10-28T00:59:10 < TheSeven> indeed
2014-10-28T00:59:52 < TheSeven> gcc 4.8.4 (arm-none-eabi) disagrees with gcc 4.8.2 (host amd64 toolchain) about the size of that thing
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2014-10-28T01:00:16 < zyp> of course it does
2014-10-28T01:00:31 < zyp> amd64 would have 64-bit alignment on structures
2014-10-28T01:00:43 < TheSeven> zyp: arm says 8 bytes size, amd64 says 4 bytes size
2014-10-28T01:00:55 < TheSeven> I'd have expected it the other way round, if different at all
2014-10-28T01:00:57 < zyp> on what?
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2014-10-28T01:01:16 < zyp> I think you're misinterpreting something
2014-10-28T01:01:46 < TheSeven> simple testcase: http://paste.pm/jlj.c
2014-10-28T01:02:08 < TheSeven> compile that using various compilers for various architectures, then look at the disassembly
2014-10-28T01:02:09 < zyp> oh, bitfields
2014-10-28T01:02:18 < zyp> bitfields are entirely nonportable and shouldn't be used
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2014-10-28T01:03:29 < TheSeven> zyp: seems to be the combination of bitfields and enums actually...
2014-10-28T01:04:03 < Simon--> TheSeven: you can mess with structure packing alignment sometimes with #pragma pack(4)
2014-10-28T01:04:05 < zyp> well, the enum size is also compiler-defined
2014-10-28T01:04:07 < Simon--> probably not a wonderful idea
2014-10-28T01:04:21 < zyp> all in all, you're making invalid assumptions
2014-10-28T01:05:21 < TheSeven> give me a different way to sanely express what I'm doing rather than messing with bit shifts all over the place
2014-10-28T01:05:56 < zyp> mess with bit shifts in one place, then make an api around it
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2014-10-28T01:07:13 < zyp> or just keep wasting your time on bitfields, it's not my time that's being wasted so I don't care
2014-10-28T01:07:34 < qyx_> huh, never seen that
2014-10-28T01:07:55 < qyx_> *never seen anyone doint that this way
2014-10-28T01:09:26 < TheSeven> qyx_: that, less the enums, is exported by that cmsis SVD tool
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2014-10-28T01:11:56 < zyp> TheSeven, throwing the packed-attribute on the struct makes the size 4, by the way
2014-10-28T01:12:09 < zyp> and throws a warning
2014-10-28T01:12:09 < Simon--> yup
2014-10-28T01:12:09 < zyp> foo.c:55:9: note: offset of packed bit-field 'EBS' has changed in GCC 4.4
2014-10-28T01:12:50 < TheSeven> zyp: the real problem here was that a struct declared inside a packed struct doesn't seem to inherit the attribute
2014-10-28T01:13:07 < zyp> of course it doesn't
2014-10-28T01:13:38 < Simon--> #pragma pack(4)  (or 8, or any number) seems to make it 4 bytes for me on gcc 4.8.3
2014-10-28T01:13:40 < zyp> declaring a struct in a struct isn't different from using an externally declared struct in a struct
2014-10-28T01:14:10 < zyp> and the externally declared struct wouldn't change the layout even if you stuff it into a packed struct
2014-10-28T01:15:06 < zyp> Simon--, or __attribute__((packed))
2014-10-28T01:15:39 < Simon--> where'd you put the attribute?
2014-10-28T01:15:52 < Simon--> doesn't seem to change it for me on 4.8.3
2014-10-28T01:15:58 < zyp> after «struct»
2014-10-28T01:16:03 < zyp> before the {
2014-10-28T01:16:09 < Simon--> ah, yah
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2014-10-28T01:22:52 < chris_99> has anyone else had gcc fail to compile due to a warning as an error, i added --enable-werror=no to build-toolchain.sh's gcc options but that's still failing me
2014-10-28T01:23:19 < chris_99> i can see -Werror is still being passed as an arg somehow during compilation
2014-10-28T01:23:22 < zyp> try -Wno-error
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2014-10-28T01:24:02 < chris_99> ok so that would be passed as a C flag right?
2014-10-28T01:27:00 < fbs> yes
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2014-10-28T02:00:43 < dongs> cool, my new toy is here
2014-10-28T02:00:46 < dongs> time to clean my desk
2014-10-28T02:04:38 < TheSeven> yay :)
2014-10-28T02:04:45 < TheSeven> f205 just got its DHCP IP ;)
2014-10-28T02:13:31 < dongs> hacker
2014-10-28T02:14:29 < Laurenceb__> funtimes
2014-10-28T02:14:41 < Laurenceb__> beaglebone black usb is broken in 3.8.13 kernel
2014-10-28T02:14:45 < Laurenceb__> but adc works
2014-10-28T02:14:59 < Laurenceb__> beagle black adc is broken in 3.17.1, but usb works
2014-10-28T02:17:04 < dongs> sores are open
2014-10-28T02:17:05 < dongs> fix it
2014-10-28T02:17:19 < Laurenceb__> lol
2014-10-28T02:17:30 < Laurenceb__> quicker to use an stm32
2014-10-28T02:17:36 < Laurenceb__> only id have to port h.264
2014-10-28T02:17:43 < Laurenceb__> grumbles
2014-10-28T02:18:18 < Laurenceb__> build it and hope someone else fixes it is one option...
2014-10-28T02:34:07 < dongs> wow cool
2014-10-28T02:34:11 < dongs> the spectrum analyzer part has waterfall mode
2014-10-28T02:34:16 < dongs> except i can run it over like 3ghz
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2014-10-28T02:54:00 < upgrdman> dongs: what spec an?
2014-10-28T02:55:23 < dongs> mdo4104-6
2014-10-28T02:56:44 < upgrdman> wow. did you pay for it, or employer?
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2014-10-28T02:57:23 < dongs> paypal'd
2014-10-28T02:57:53 < upgrdman> what does that mean? your toy money?
2014-10-28T02:57:56 < chris_99> https://gist.github.com/anfractuosity/d10332efb86fc1091d1d <-- anyone got any ideas about this, (gdb building link error)
2014-10-28T02:58:50 < dongs> ya
2014-10-28T02:59:16 < dongs> chris_99: um wat, youre building gdb?
2014-10-28T02:59:56 < chris_99> i'm building gcc, and that's part of the package apparently
2014-10-28T02:59:58 < dongs> did you do something stupid like --enable-static on ./configure for it?
2014-10-28T03:00:02 < chris_99> nope
2014-10-28T03:00:06 < dongs> then dunno
2014-10-28T03:00:21 < chris_99> just using build-toolchain.sh
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2014-10-28T03:08:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iU69cJy.png cool
2014-10-28T03:09:10 < upgrdman> nice
2014-10-28T03:09:16 < upgrdman> dat span
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2014-10-28T03:21:43 < dongs> hm where the fuck are cursors in RF mode
2014-10-28T03:35:08 < upgrdman> what kind of SMPS do most ATX PSUs implement? SEPIC?
2014-10-28T03:36:15 < upgrdman> R2COM: i thought you were in russia?
2014-10-28T03:36:31 < upgrdman> oh.
2014-10-28T03:36:46 < upgrdman> i didn't think Comcast served .ru
2014-10-28T03:36:55 < dongs> R2COM: my new overpriced toy is here  http://i.imgur.com/iU69cJy.png
2014-10-28T03:37:51 < upgrdman> dongs: what device is occupying ~1.5GHz of that bandwidth?
2014-10-28T03:38:49 < dongs> satellite tv
2014-10-28T03:39:13 < upgrdman> orly? didn't know they used up so much spectrum
2014-10-28T03:39:13 < zyp> downconverted from a LNB?
2014-10-28T03:40:12 < zyp> upgrdman, they do, that's why they're >10GHz over the air
2014-10-28T03:40:31 < dongs> yeah just plugged my tv antenna into it
2014-10-28T03:40:32 < upgrdman> zyp: cool
2014-10-28T03:40:35 < dongs> since i dont have any other pro shit
2014-10-28T03:40:56 < upgrdman> R2COM: know much about smps's?
2014-10-28T03:41:17 < upgrdman> well
2014-10-28T03:41:21 < upgrdman> what kind of SMPS do most ATX PSUs implement? SEPIC?
2014-10-28T03:41:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/KTRZS1e.png here it is 950>2150mhz
2014-10-28T03:42:22 < dongs> R2COM: mdo4104-6, the thing i paypald recently
2014-10-28T03:44:22 < dongs> upgrdman: i googled 'atx power supply schematic' and there's a bunch, plus appnotes from shit like onsemi etc> http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/TND313-D.PDF
2014-10-28T03:44:31 < zyp> what's the MTU of wi-fi anyway?
2014-10-28T03:44:44 < zyp> max transfer unit
2014-10-28T03:44:53 < zyp> it's like 1536 for wired ethernet
2014-10-28T03:44:56 < zyp> uh
2014-10-28T03:44:57 < upgrdman> dongs: thanks. i should have thought to do that :)
2014-10-28T03:44:59 < zyp> packet size
2014-10-28T03:45:50 < upgrdman> on semi == motorola, right?
2014-10-28T03:46:41 < zyp> because that's the optimal packet size to send
2014-10-28T03:47:00 < zyp> the smaller packets you send, the larger the amount of over head will be
2014-10-28T03:47:38 < zyp> oh, no
2014-10-28T03:48:11 < dongs> k time to ugprade firmware and hopefully that shit enables cursors in rf mode
2014-10-28T03:48:19 < dongs> or else this thing is even more useless than my ancient analyzer
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2014-10-28T03:53:41 < dongs> - Video picture mode (requires DPO4VID application module)
2014-10-28T03:53:42 < dongs> wooo
2014-10-28T03:53:48 < dongs> does that mean i can watch analog tv
2014-10-28T03:54:10 < dongs> R2COM: because its both
2014-10-28T03:54:23 < dongs>  dongs> R2COM: mdo4104-6
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2014-10-28T03:54:59 < zyp> «Availability: No Longer Manufactured»
2014-10-28T03:55:19 < dongs> zyp, yeah, its replaced by B model with unknown differences, i'm sure i won't give a fuck
2014-10-28T03:55:22 < dongs> yeah
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2014-10-28T04:21:20 < chris_99> I'm just wondering i've got a number of stm32's can i program them all simulataneously through openocd, i can't seem to find how you tell it to program a particular device
2014-10-28T04:24:18 < upgrdman> neat:  http://www.artandphotographe.com/tiny-mechanical-insects-made-watch-parts/?2
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2014-10-28T04:28:21 < zyp> chris_99, I guess you do it when setting up the chain
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2014-10-28T04:30:47 < dongs> ive got a board that can program 6 STMs (but I was planning to cycle power toeach block and then flashing
2014-10-28T04:30:50 < chris_99> i've not heard of that before, i'm programming using usb mind
2014-10-28T04:30:58 < dongs> i should try cutting uart rx line from all but 1
2014-10-28T04:31:00 < dongs> and try doing 6 at once
2014-10-28T04:31:18 < zyp> heh
2014-10-28T04:31:34 < dongs> do you think it will work
2014-10-28T04:32:00 < zyp> I don't remember how the protocol works
2014-10-28T04:32:07 < dongs> there are acks.
2014-10-28T04:32:12 < dongs> but only one woul be acking.
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2014-10-28T04:32:20 < dongs> rest should be more or less in same~ish step
2014-10-28T04:32:36 < zyp> sounds good until they go out of sync :p
2014-10-28T04:32:42 < dongs> but why would they
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2014-10-28T04:33:20 < zyp> small device variances?
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2014-10-28T04:34:01 < zyp> hmm, any differences will probably be too small to matter considering how low the baudrate is in comparison to the internal clock
2014-10-28T04:37:18 < dongs> thats waht i think
2014-10-28T04:37:23 < dongs> duno. i gotta try
2014-10-28T04:37:31 < dongs> maybe not cutting, i just wont solder in tx pogo pin
2014-10-28T04:38:50 < zyp> I wish they had multidrop swd
2014-10-28T04:38:55 < dongs> zyp, STM32L052R8T6 is available it seems
2014-10-28T04:39:11 < zyp> how much, and what about C8?
2014-10-28T04:41:02 < upgrdman> how does the L series' achieve lower power? smaller silicon process?
2014-10-28T04:44:29 < dongs> zyp, not much less than f103
2014-10-28T04:44:36 < dongs> C8 is around 1.70
2014-10-28T04:44:43 < dongs> r8 is 1.9
2014-10-28T04:44:44 < dongs> useless.
2014-10-28T04:45:10 < zyp> I don't care about f103
2014-10-28T04:45:18 < dongs> ;d
2014-10-28T04:45:55 < zyp> f0 and l0 can do crystalless usb and shit
2014-10-28T04:46:10 < zyp> I don't really care about the low power part of it :p
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2014-10-28T04:49:46 < dongs> crystals arent that expensive
2014-10-28T04:52:24 < zyp> sure, but that doesn't mean you need to keep it around
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2014-10-28T05:22:41 < ds2> crystaless USB device or host?
2014-10-28T05:22:44 < zyp> sort of, they have an oscillator that can be automatically tuned by the USB SOF rate
2014-10-28T05:22:51 < ds2> oh device only
2014-10-28T05:22:52 < zyp> device of course
2014-10-28T05:22:59 < ds2> and I got excited...
2014-10-28T05:23:00 < zyp> so they derive their timing from the host
2014-10-28T05:23:38 < ds2> xtals are such a waste of space
2014-10-28T05:23:39 < ds2> :D
2014-10-28T05:26:29 < ds2> if the analog guys are to be believed, PLLs can't increase anything
2014-10-28T05:27:50 < zyp> R2COM, it's a bandwidth thing
2014-10-28T05:28:16 < zyp> if you're going to push lots of data, few large packets is better than many small
2014-10-28T05:30:01 < zyp> well, the packet headers are larger than that
2014-10-28T05:30:38 < zyp> so unless you want 75% of your utilized bandwidth consumed by overhead, you'd want to send larger packets
2014-10-28T05:33:05 < ds2> R2COM: I keep getting told that PLLs add noise as they multiple frequency
2014-10-28T05:33:21 < ds2> zyp: or just call it ATM and be done ;)
2014-10-28T05:33:31 < zyp> :p
2014-10-28T05:34:13 < ds2> if it is good enough for DSL....
2014-10-28T05:48:40 < dongs> ugh
2014-10-28T05:48:47 < dongs> i gotta import all the licenses into the old tek
2014-10-28T05:48:50 < dongs> but i only have one dongle
2014-10-28T05:49:07 < dongs> so I need to write dongle, import license, power cycle, bla bla
2014-10-28T05:49:16 < dongs> R2COM: feature shits, DPO4VID etc
2014-10-28T05:52:53 < dongs> hahaah
2014-10-28T05:52:57 < dongs> if ytou transfer license from dongle to scope
2014-10-28T05:52:59 < dongs> it "disables" the dongle
2014-10-28T05:58:14 < upgrdman> dedongles
2014-10-28T06:00:03 < upgrdman> right now just refining my induction heater
2014-10-28T06:00:08 < upgrdman> good caps are en route to me
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2014-10-28T06:03:03 < upgrdman> turns out caps with 100mOhm ESR still get super hot when having to deal with 20+ amps of ripple current
2014-10-28T06:03:12 < upgrdman> ;)
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2014-10-28T06:05:23 < upgrdman> i should have recorded a view clip. with the caps submerged in water, they were starting to boil the water. pretty neat actually.
2014-10-28T06:07:41 < dongs> argh takes forever
2014-10-28T06:09:00 < upgrdman> yes. a good project for me to try in my home. yes.
2014-10-28T06:09:27 < upgrdman> ◉◡◉
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2014-10-28T06:11:46 < dongs> 3 more  dongles to transfer
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2014-10-28T06:13:32 < upgrdman> ☭
2014-10-28T06:13:47 < dongs> why are you spamming chinese shit
2014-10-28T06:14:37 < dongs> what the fuck is it then
2014-10-28T06:14:41 < dongs> i cant see it and it fucks up my terminal
2014-10-28T06:14:47 < dongs> so i assume its chinese or sdome other useless unicode trash
2014-10-28T06:14:49 < zyp> must be linux
2014-10-28T06:14:52 < upgrdman> sorry dongs
2014-10-28T06:15:10 < ds2> >
2014-10-28T06:15:14 < upgrdman> it's a hammer and sickle.
2014-10-28T06:15:32 < upgrdman> i'll stop browsing wikipedias unicode pages :)
2014-10-28T06:20:45 < dongs> nice
2014-10-28T06:20:48 < dongs> all licenses moved
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2014-10-28T11:37:07 < dongs>  
2014-10-28T11:37:08 < dongs> Each attendee will receive a STM32L0 Discovery kit, a STM32L0 Nucleo board and a BlueNRG Bluetooth Low Energy shield.
2014-10-28T11:37:11 < dongs> wow
2014-10-28T11:37:17 < dongs> free ST seminars @ usa
2014-10-28T11:39:58 < emeryth> give devboards plz
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2014-10-28T11:58:11 < karlp> I reckon r2com must still be ignoring feedback from the wifi module.
2014-10-28T11:58:35 < karlp> while mtu packets are great for bandwidth utilisization, I wasns't sure any of this plans were even remotely bandwidth constrained
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2014-10-28T12:41:37 < dongs> heh
2014-10-28T12:41:44 < dongs> his plans are clue-constrained
2014-10-28T12:46:54 < Laurenceb> yeah but ST seminars are boring as fuck
2014-10-28T12:47:00 < Laurenceb> not worth it
2014-10-28T12:47:08 < Laurenceb> i dont want to hear about OT
2014-10-28T12:47:11 < Laurenceb> *IOT
2014-10-28T12:47:22 < emeryth> b-b-but free hardware!
2014-10-28T12:47:38 < scrts_w> what free hardware? discovery boards?
2014-10-28T12:48:17 < emeryth> > Each attendee will receive a STM32L0 Discovery kit, a STM32L0 Nucleo board and a BlueNRG Bluetooth Low Energy shield.
2014-10-28T12:49:21 < Laurenceb> hmm thats quite a bit of kit
2014-10-28T12:49:30 < Laurenceb> but id have to sit thought a load of BS
2014-10-28T12:50:13 < Laurenceb> whilst i could be trolling irc
2014-10-28T12:50:51 < dongs> I guess you gotta weigh pros and cons
2014-10-28T12:50:52 < emeryth> why not both?
2014-10-28T12:50:58 < dongs> yeah, or you could bring your ipad there
2014-10-28T12:51:01 < dongs> and troll irc live
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2014-10-28T12:51:02 < dongs> from ST seminar
2014-10-28T12:51:05 < emeryth> internet of trolls
2014-10-28T12:51:19 < dongs> Laurenceb: did yousee my new sdr
2014-10-28T12:51:31 < dongs> Laurenceb: http://i.imgur.com/iU69cJy.png
2014-10-28T12:51:35 < ReadError> does it use GANOO radio?
2014-10-28T12:51:44 < dongs> no it uses GNAA radio
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2014-10-28T12:55:09 < Laurenceb> wtf
2014-10-28T12:55:15 < Laurenceb> tektronics?!
2014-10-28T12:55:26 < dongs> tektrollings
2014-10-28T12:56:04 < Laurenceb> http://www.greatnorthairambulance.co.uk/uploaded/thumbnails/db_file_img_388_autoxauto.jpg
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2014-10-28T12:56:59 < dongs> laff
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2014-10-28T12:59:33 < Laurenceb> root@beaglebone# python
2014-10-28T12:59:35 < Laurenceb> Segmentation fault
2014-10-28T12:59:41 < dongs> pro
2014-10-28T13:00:18 < Laurenceb> Removing beaglebone ...
2014-10-28T13:00:22 < Laurenceb> trolol
2014-10-28T13:00:53 < Laurenceb> Segmentation fault
2014-10-28T13:00:58 < Laurenceb> lol i killed it
2014-10-28T13:03:58 < ReadError> http://southpark.cc.com/clips/w919lx/we-can-spy-on-everyone
2014-10-28T13:04:01 < ReadError> dongs
2014-10-28T13:04:07 < ReadError> unfunny american trash featuring DJI
2014-10-28T13:04:08 < dongs> There has been an update on the following download on www.nordicsemi.com:
2014-10-28T13:04:09 < dongs> Reference Manual nRF51 RM:
2014-10-28T13:04:13 < dongs> how nice
2014-10-28T13:08:59 < [7]> so, now that ethernet works just fine, let me get back to the SD card...
2014-10-28T13:09:38 < [7]> any clue why I'm getting a CTIMEOUT error despite seeing the response of the card on the bus?
2014-10-28T13:09:47 < [7]> (with a logic analyzer)
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2014-10-28T13:45:16 < dongs> man chinapost is cocks
2014-10-28T13:45:25 < dongs> i sent some garbage to china it left jp on 21st, still hasnt landed there
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2014-10-28T13:48:53 < Laurenceb> more reliable than beaglebone
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2014-10-28T13:57:36 < dongs> heh, i tested some taiwanchip and  decided to use it
2014-10-28T13:57:46 < dongs> so i email tehm im gonna order 1k so i can get them in time for dickstarter
2014-10-28T13:57:48 < dongs> they quote me $x price
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2014-10-28T13:57:58 < dongs> i tell my taiwan office dudes to go ahead and order
2014-10-28T13:58:06 < dongs> suddenly price becomes $x+1$
2014-10-28T13:58:10 < dongs> (to them)
2014-10-28T13:58:32 < dongs> i send a copy of original quote and cc: to same dudes, next thing I see is new invoice with $x price :D
2014-10-28T13:58:42 < Laurenceb> arg
2014-10-28T13:58:51 < Laurenceb> beaglebone.org kernel image has broken python
2014-10-28T13:59:00 < Laurenceb> i need python to upgrade the kernel
2014-10-28T13:59:02 < Laurenceb> WTF
2014-10-28T13:59:07 < dongs> since when
2014-10-28T13:59:10 < dongs> god damn lunix is trash
2014-10-28T13:59:32 < Laurenceb> well beaglebone certainly is
2014-10-28T13:59:34 < dongs> agilent scope firmware update is a PPC .elf file :(
2014-10-28T13:59:42 < chris_99> has anyone programmed a bunch of stm32's via multiple usb ports, i can't see how to do it, there doesn't seem to be a way to specify multiple buses
2014-10-28T13:59:52 < dongs> i guess they're all using that PPC core thats in wahtever FPGAs
2014-10-28T13:59:57 < karlp> chris_99: with what tools?
2014-10-28T14:00:00 < chris_99> openocd
2014-10-28T14:00:12 < chris_99> (stm32f429)
2014-10-28T14:00:13 < karlp> Ipresume you mean via multiple stlinks?
2014-10-28T14:00:25 < chris_99> yeah
2014-10-28T14:00:30 < karlp> there's support for specifying the serial number of the dongle
2014-10-28T14:00:38 < dongs> chris_99: for production flashing I would strongly recommend making a jig and using uart bootloader..
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2014-10-28T14:01:07 < chris_99> yeah that'd make sense
2014-10-28T14:01:14 < karlp> hla_serial option, you'll need something newer than 0.8.0 for it though
2014-10-28T14:01:28 < karlp> http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/2198/
2014-10-28T14:01:49 < karlp> but dongs is right if you're going to be doing a lot of this....
2014-10-28T14:02:17 < chris_99> it's for a small testbed, i've got 5x stm's that i'm programming
2014-10-28T14:03:01 < chris_99> is it not possibly to tell it to use /dev/bus/...
2014-10-28T14:04:28 < Laurenceb> lol
2014-10-28T14:04:41 < Laurenceb> python2.7 with python2.6 libraries
2014-10-28T14:04:44 < Laurenceb> what a mess
2014-10-28T14:13:45 < dongs> this almost sounds like lunix
2014-10-28T14:13:47 < dongs> oh wait, it is
2014-10-28T14:13:53 < dongs> libfuckoff.so.0.0.1
2014-10-28T14:14:03 < dongs> with libfuckoff.so.0.0.2 interface compeltely different
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2014-10-28T14:18:11 < karlp> chris_99: not that I know of, and I don't know about you, but I normally remember which dongle is wchih, not which port turns up as which bus, and the device on that bus depends on teh order you plugged them in, so being able to specify the serial of the dongle instead makes much more sense to me.
2014-10-28T14:18:34 < chris_99> yeah i agree, i'm compiling the patched version now
2014-10-28T14:18:50 < chris_99> how do i actually grab the ID, can i get it from lsusb?
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2014-10-28T14:19:41 < karlp> yeah,
2014-10-28T14:20:46 < chris_99> ah got it thanks
2014-10-28T14:20:51 < chris_99> it's binary interestingly
2014-10-28T14:21:05 < chris_99> or not alphanumeric
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2014-10-28T14:22:34 < chris_99> damn, 2x of them have a serial which is all 0x20
2014-10-28T14:22:46 < karlp> stlinks?
2014-10-28T14:22:55 < chris_99> yeah
2014-10-28T14:23:05 < karlp> stlinks use binary serials, due to misreading the usb spec, but I've never seen them with all 0x20,
2014-10-28T14:23:09 < chris_99> oh actually sorry
2014-10-28T14:23:12 < chris_99> i grepped wrongly
2014-10-28T14:23:43 < chris_99> one has a serial of 000000000001
2014-10-28T14:23:55 < chris_99> the rest has non-alpha numeric stuff in
2014-10-28T14:24:01 < karlp> oh, yeah, that's from something later, there's some comments about when that happens
2014-10-28T14:24:07 < chris_99> ah
2014-10-28T14:24:10 < karlp> the non-alpha is the real serial
2014-10-28T14:24:26 < karlp> the 000000001 is something that's happening when it gets opened and changes config of rosmething weird
2014-10-28T14:24:38 < chris_99> ah odd, i'll try restarting them
2014-10-28T14:25:06 < chris_99> yeah that fixed it
2014-10-28T14:25:30 < karlp> the comments in the oocd patch say soemthing about that being tied to fw versions of the stlink itself,
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2014-10-28T14:25:43 < karlp> and that updating them with the windows st tools fixes it
2014-10-28T14:26:09 < chris_99> ah cool
2014-10-28T14:26:28 < karlp> look at the comments from martin ling and after from sept 12 in that post
2014-10-28T14:26:47 < chris_99> will do
2014-10-28T14:26:48 < chris_99> do i have to use separate config files for each device or can i somehow whack multiple hla_serial's in one config
2014-10-28T14:27:08 < karlp> no clue soryr, try asking in #openocd
2014-10-28T14:27:16 < chris_99> ah didn't know that existed cheers
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2014-10-28T14:42:05 < dongs> holy shit I want to fucking murder dicknplace fuckers who wrwote this piece of VB garbage
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2014-10-28T15:01:02 < [7]> ok, I'm getting the card's response now
2014-10-28T15:01:12 < [7]> however the card isn't becoming ready
2014-10-28T15:01:29 < [7]> SEND_OP_COND keeps bit 31 low indefinitely
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2014-10-28T15:15:46 < englishman> dongs:
2014-10-28T15:15:51 < englishman> i signed up for that fuckin seminar
2014-10-28T15:15:55 < dongs> o nice
2014-10-28T15:15:58 < dongs> thjere was a couple in canada right
2014-10-28T15:16:01 < englishman> they said theyd let me know if im allowed to go
2014-10-28T15:16:03 < dongs> oh
2014-10-28T15:16:04 < dongs> haha
2014-10-28T15:16:06 < englishman> but then i got this one today too
2014-10-28T15:16:07 < englishman> like wtf
2014-10-28T15:16:20 < dongs> 'signed up ' = for previous one?
2014-10-28T15:16:23 < englishman> no
2014-10-28T15:16:25 < englishman> same one
2014-10-28T15:16:27 < dongs> haha
2014-10-28T15:16:32 < dongs> well, its same spam probly
2014-10-28T15:16:45 < englishman> got identical email on oct 3
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2014-10-28T15:31:29 < Laurenceb> funtimes
2014-10-28T15:31:40  * Laurenceb has spent a week trying to boot a BBB
2014-10-28T15:31:54 < Laurenceb> http://pastie.org/9680737
2014-10-28T15:32:05 < Laurenceb> dat segfault
2014-10-28T15:34:03 < Claude> apt-get remove python . problem fixed should boot now
2014-10-28T15:37:07 < dongs> fuck, even the dicks who sold me this shit are telling me it sucks dick
2014-10-28T15:37:24 < dongs> thats fucking bad when your f ucking pick and place vendor tells you thier shit sucks
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2014-10-28T15:48:45 < Claude> dongs, so what p&p machine should one avoid to buy?
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2014-10-28T15:49:58 < dongs> anything < $50k is going to be absolute shit
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2014-10-28T15:55:46 < Claude> yeah but which one do you have dongs ?
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2014-10-28T16:07:47 < Laurenceb> attn dongs
2014-10-28T16:07:49 < Laurenceb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepulveda_Pass#mediaviewer/File:American_Jewish_University,_Bel_Air,_California.JPG
2014-10-28T16:07:52 < Laurenceb> bel aired
2014-10-28T16:15:39 < akaWolf> Laurenceb: do you using a official OS image?
2014-10-28T16:15:43 < akaWolf> which one?
2014-10-28T16:15:58 < Laurenceb> beaglebone.org debian
2014-10-28T16:16:08 < akaWolf> try to use Ubuntu
2014-10-28T16:16:17 < Laurenceb> im trying one from http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack_Debian now
2014-10-28T16:16:20 < Laurenceb> too bloated
2014-10-28T16:16:31 < Laurenceb> ethernet seems to be broken :-/
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2014-10-28T16:16:57 < akaWolf> Laurenceb: where?
2014-10-28T16:17:17 < Laurenceb> the lastest wheezy
2014-10-28T16:18:09 < akaWolf> Laurenceb: hm...
2014-10-28T16:19:00 < akaWolf> I didn't use the latest Debian image, but with official Ubuntu image all is ok
2014-10-28T16:19:10 < akaWolf> ethernet too
2014-10-28T16:19:14 < akaWolf> and python
2014-10-28T16:19:19 < Laurenceb>  usb-ethernet
2014-10-28T16:19:27 < Laurenceb> its not showing on lsusb
2014-10-28T16:19:39 < akaWolf> oh, ok, I'm not about that
2014-10-28T16:19:46 < Laurenceb> was with the beaglebone.org image, but that has broken python and no usb host
2014-10-28T16:19:47 < qyx_> you mean g_ether or how is it called?
2014-10-28T16:19:52 < Laurenceb> yeah
2014-10-28T16:20:10 < Laurenceb> there doesnt seem to be a fully working kernel build
2014-10-28T16:20:17 < Laurenceb> every build has something broken
2014-10-28T16:20:23 < akaWolf> :)
2014-10-28T16:20:26 < akaWolf> it's normal
2014-10-28T16:20:46 < Laurenceb> i dont want to have to solder on a cp2102
2014-10-28T16:20:48 < akaWolf> you can build a kernel yourself with appropriate patches
2014-10-28T16:20:52 < Laurenceb> yeah
2014-10-28T16:20:55 < Laurenceb> massive pita
2014-10-28T16:21:02 < Laurenceb> i wouldnt know where to start
2014-10-28T16:21:13 < Laurenceb> my plan for today was to try 3.8.13
2014-10-28T16:21:20 < akaWolf> one moment
2014-10-28T16:21:29 < Laurenceb> so far ive bricked it twice and achived nothing else
2014-10-28T16:21:44 < Laurenceb> looks like three times from the way this is behaving
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2014-10-28T16:24:08 < akaWolf> Laurenceb: http://elinux.org/Building_BBB_Kernel -- it's should be enought for begin
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2014-10-28T16:24:49 < Laurenceb> hmm
2014-10-28T16:24:52 < Laurenceb> sounds like fun
2014-10-28T16:24:55 < Laurenceb> ill give it a go
2014-10-28T16:27:56 < akaWolf> Laurenceb: https://eewiki.net/display/linuxonarm/BeagleBone+Black#BeagleBoneBlack-LinuxKernel -- looks like it's more newer info
2014-10-28T16:28:29 < akaWolf> I recommend you to use v3.17 and upper kernels
2014-10-28T16:28:57 < akaWolf> 3.18 -- latest for BBB
2014-10-28T16:29:47 < akaWolf> looks like it's version still under developing
2014-10-28T16:30:06 < akaWolf> so 3.17 -- the best choise, I assume
2014-10-28T16:30:45 < Laurenceb> no they all have broken adc
2014-10-28T16:30:52 < Laurenceb> i need 3.8 i think
2014-10-28T16:30:58 < akaWolf> omg
2014-10-28T16:31:00 < Laurenceb> then the usb host will be broken
2014-10-28T16:31:08 < Laurenceb> but then i can fix that with some board mods
2014-10-28T16:31:11 < akaWolf> with 3.8 there is many troubles
2014-10-28T16:31:18 < Laurenceb> really?
2014-10-28T16:31:21 < akaWolf> yep
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2014-10-28T16:31:32 < akaWolf> SGX didn't work, at least
2014-10-28T16:31:45 < Laurenceb> i dodnt need that
2014-10-28T16:31:49 < akaWolf> hm
2014-10-28T16:32:52 < akaWolf> I don't know about ADC, but I will not be surprised, if at 3.8v something go wrong
2014-10-28T16:33:47 < akaWolf> Laurenceb: you can try also one of this images for solve a proble with python: https://rcn-ee.net/deb/minfs/wheezy/
2014-10-28T16:34:23 < akaWolf> you can see, that Ubuntu images not much bigger: https://rcn-ee.net/deb/minfs/trusty/
2014-10-28T16:34:51 < akaWolf> so I will recommend you to use a Ubuntu version
2014-10-28T16:35:08 < Laurenceb> just a sec soldering on a usart
2014-10-28T16:35:13 < akaWolf> )
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2014-10-28T16:37:11 < tecdroid> hi
2014-10-28T16:39:08 < tecdroid> can someone tell me how to use the stdperiph-lib and gnu eabi toolchain for stm32 on bare linux? doc sais, i have to choose the right startup script but what do i have to do with it??
2014-10-28T16:39:23 < akaWolf> ?????
2014-10-28T16:39:26 < dongs> add it to your makefail
2014-10-28T16:39:44 < akaWolf> bare linux???
2014-10-28T16:39:55 < akaWolf> bare metal & linux eabi
2014-10-28T16:40:05 < akaWolf> wtf is bare linux?
2014-10-28T16:40:16 < tecdroid> well, i don't have a dedicated ide
2014-10-28T16:40:21 < akaWolf> it thing didn't exist
2014-10-28T16:40:24 < emeryth> tecdroid: I recommend eclipse with gnu arm plugin if you're starting out
2014-10-28T16:41:24 < tecdroid> hmm.. i would have prefered not doing this..
2014-10-28T16:41:53 < tecdroid> but maybe you're right..
2014-10-28T16:42:37 < karlp> you can use eclipse if you like, but unless you already like eclipse, I wouldn't start just for this...
2014-10-28T16:43:25 < tecdroid> well, i just got away from eclipse with my avr controllers ^^
2014-10-28T16:48:06 < Laurenceb> hmf
2014-10-28T16:48:14 < Laurenceb> i hate BBB
2014-10-28T16:48:24 < Laurenceb> serial doesnt accept commands
2014-10-28T16:48:33 < dongs> i recommend windows 8.1 pro and mdk-arm from keil
2014-10-28T16:48:41 < tecdroid> iieeeek!
2014-10-28T16:48:57 < dongs> cuz shit just works
2014-10-28T16:49:03 < Laurenceb> lol
2014-10-28T16:50:07 < tecdroid> okay.. installed gnuarmeclipse now.. hope it doesn't collide with avr plugin
2014-10-28T16:50:08 < emeryth> *results may vary
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2014-10-28T16:54:00 < Laurenceb> eeek not eclipse
2014-10-28T16:54:07 < Laurenceb> thats worse than beaglebone
2014-10-28T16:55:18 < tecdroid> well, i initially asked how to set it up without any ide...
2014-10-28T16:56:34 < emeryth> to set it up without any ide you just download an example project and go from there
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2014-10-28T17:01:05 < upgrdman> tecdroid: here's what i do for the stm32f0: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-06-14_Complete_STM32F0_Development_Environment/
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2014-10-28T17:48:16 < yan_> anyone know what can cause embedded gcc to produce a .lst file that has symbols placed in all incorrect places and some sections disassembled incorrectly? the interrupt vector is at address 0, but the lst file claims that some function continues half way through the vector. the entry point is wrong too
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2014-10-28T20:16:01 < Tectu_> "Need up to $15,000/month second income? New online income opportunity. Apply Now."
2014-10-28T20:16:06 < Tectu_> yeah, how can you not click on that link.
2014-10-28T20:16:44 < emeryth> "flash chips at home"?
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2014-10-28T20:18:15 < Steffanx> who wants dollars...
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2014-10-28T20:38:55 < Devilholk> Steffanx: Dollars can be transformed into microcontrollers
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2014-10-28T20:49:25 < scrts> I want dollars!
2014-10-28T20:49:33 < Devilholk> I want microcontrollers
2014-10-28T20:49:41 < scrts> penis enlargement is now complete
2014-10-28T20:49:43 < Devilholk> And a nice source driver
2014-10-28T20:50:01 < Devilholk> I have evil common cathode LED's I want to shine with
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2014-10-28T21:43:15 < karlp> round up time: anyone got any new ones? https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/dolls-on-pcbs.txt
2014-10-28T21:45:56 < Tectu_> Devilholk, I can offer some dev-boards :D
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2014-10-28T21:47:11 < Devilholk> Tectu_: Oh?
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2014-10-28T22:31:31 < emeryth> karlp: is that some kind of fetish?
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2014-10-28T22:35:02 < [7]> does someone know of a tool that can decode SD card bus traffic from logic analyzer dumps?
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2014-10-28T22:35:55 < jadew> a logic analyzer
2014-10-28T22:36:08 < jadew> can't think of any that does it out of the box tho
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2014-10-28T22:36:09 < emeryth> sigrok is working on it
2014-10-28T22:36:36 < jadew> sigrok is working on everything :)
2014-10-28T22:36:49 < [7]> anyway, this card is getting stuck somehow, and I'm not sure why
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2014-10-28T22:37:18 < [7]> I'm first sending it CMD0 to reset it (that also makes it respond again)
2014-10-28T22:37:30 < [7]> then I send CMD8 to tell apart SDHC => this one isn't
2014-10-28T22:37:54 < jadew> are you driving it by SPI?
2014-10-28T22:37:57 < [7]> then I send CMD41 to agree on voltage range and wait for card init. first one says busy, second one says ready, everything fine
2014-10-28T22:38:01 < [7]> no, via SDIO
2014-10-28T22:38:38 < [7]> next I send CMD2 to get the CID, then CMD3 to assign RCA, then CMD7 to select the card
2014-10-28T22:38:45 < [7]> everything seems to work well up to that point
2014-10-28T22:39:16 < [7]> then I want to figure out if the card can do high speed, so I send it a CMD6 to get that mode info page. that command times out.
2014-10-28T22:39:18 < jadew> shouldn't be that hard to decode it yourself
2014-10-28T22:39:39 < [7]> yes, I'm decoding it myself, and everything is looking fine, so I was wondering if I could double check that with some software
2014-10-28T22:40:07 < [7]> so I guess that this card maybe doesn't support CMD6. shouldn't matter.
2014-10-28T22:40:28 < [7]> so I proceed with ACMD51 to get the SCR register, to figure out how many bits the bus width of that card is
2014-10-28T22:40:44 < [7]> the CMD55 part of that command (the ACMD prefix) times out :/
2014-10-28T22:41:49 < [7]> so I though the CMD6 might have confused it, and removed that. CMD55 still times out
2014-10-28T22:42:06 < [7]> so this looks like the CMD2/CMD3/CMD7 sequence somehow loses control of the card
2014-10-28T22:42:41 < jadew> what LA are you using?
2014-10-28T22:42:51 < [7]> bus pirate + OLS ;)
2014-10-28T22:43:04 < [7]> fast enough for the 400kHz init traffic
2014-10-28T22:43:06 < jadew> oh... does it even have enough sample rate?
2014-10-28T22:43:09 < jadew> got it
2014-10-28T22:43:12 < [7]> didn't have to whip out my DSO
2014-10-28T22:43:17 < [7]> yes, it samples at 1MSPS
2014-10-28T22:43:51 < jadew> well, if you're still stuck and you're willing to write a decoder, consider this: http://eenoob.com/lafront/
2014-10-28T22:43:59 < jadew> it will allow you to import .ols files
2014-10-28T22:44:17 < jadew> (unless you're on linux, doesn't seem to work on linux anymore)
2014-10-28T22:44:50 < [7]> heh, get that thing to talk to the pirate or the DSO directly and it would be awesome ;)
2014-10-28T22:46:24 < jadew> for the moment it's an abandoned project
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2014-10-28T22:48:06 < [7]> do I understand correctly that I have to send CMD2(0), CMD3(0), take the upper 16 bits of that as RCA, then send CMD7(RCA<<16)?
2014-10-28T22:48:44  * [7] wonders which algorithm is even used to generate that RCA without collisions
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2014-10-28T22:58:07  * [7] is about to rant
2014-10-28T22:58:29 < [7]> these SD card-related datasheets and other documents are terribly inconsistent!
2014-10-28T22:58:41 < [7]> disagreeing with each other, or even with themselves
2014-10-28T22:59:11 < [7]> full of obvious copy&paste errors etc.
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2014-10-28T23:05:50 < yan_> anyone by chance know how to create an LD section with just the contents of a file? (a data file, not an object file)
2014-10-28T23:08:54 < [7]> yan_: .incbin assembler directive might be helpful
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2014-10-28T23:10:08 < [7]> yan_: or objdump -I binary -O elf <input> <output> or something like that
2014-10-28T23:10:20 < [7]> er, objcopy, not objdump
2014-10-28T23:10:34 < yan_> [7]: yeah i can use objcopy, but that'd make the build system a bit more complex
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2014-10-28T23:17:12 < yan_> [7]: ended up using a .incbin directive in an assembly file
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2014-10-29T00:18:44 < [7]> hm, does someone have a clue how to stop an SDIO data transfer?
2014-10-29T00:19:00 < [7]> IIUC I need to setup the transfer, send the command for it, then wait for the data to arrive
2014-10-29T00:19:05 < [7]> but what if the command fails?
2014-10-29T00:19:17 < [7]> the data path state machine will stay busy until it hits a timeout
2014-10-29T00:19:23 < [7]> can I manually kill it somehow?
2014-10-29T00:35:20 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5oYmTURhc
2014-10-29T00:35:22 < Laurenceb__> oh shit
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2014-10-29T01:03:03 < karlp> heh, was about to paste a different view of that,
2014-10-29T01:03:10 < karlp> both on "301+ views" :)
2014-10-29T01:20:10 < [7]> SDIO finally works... but the way in which some issues hat to be resolved is really ugly
2014-10-29T01:21:52 < englishman> Wow laurenceb that is impressive
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2014-10-29T02:01:45 < dongs> troll?
2014-10-29T02:01:54 < dongs> ah no
2014-10-29T02:01:55 < dongs> nice
2014-10-29T02:02:19 < dongs> more money for spaceX
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2014-10-29T02:05:24 < BrainDamage> nasa cannot into space
2014-10-29T02:08:37 < dongs> NASA budget: 17 billion USD.
2014-10-29T02:08:37 < dongs> US military budget: almost 700 billion USD
2014-10-29T02:08:38 < dongs> Yeah, lets weep over all the change NASA just blew up by accident, lets not worry about all that money wasted on purposefully running around the world killing people..
2014-10-29T02:08:42 < dongs> lol
2014-10-29T02:17:12 < kakeman> you think nations will just destroy themselfs..
2014-10-29T02:17:51 < dlnx``> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/880837561/skycube-the-first-satellite-launched-by-you/posts
2014-10-29T02:18:09 < dlnx``> and this was on Antares :D
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2014-10-29T02:18:54 < dlnx``> error
2014-10-29T02:18:56 < dlnx``> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/arkydforeveryone/arkyd-a-space-telescope-for-everyone-0
2014-10-29T02:18:59 < dlnx``> that one
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2014-10-29T02:20:51 < gxti> PRI is not responsible for any failure to perform all or part of the Kickstarter Project if such failure is caused by what the lawyers like to call “force majeure” -- events or conditions beyond PRI’s reasonable control such as explosion
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2014-10-29T02:22:33 < zyp> «The rocket that exploded was the test equipment for the telescope, not the telescope itself.»
2014-10-29T02:22:59 < gxti> yeah 2 minutes of looking at their updates showed it wasn't due to launch for another year at the earliest :p
2014-10-29T02:23:21 < gxti> dlnx``: shame on you sir
2014-10-29T02:23:27 < gxti> shaaaaaaame
2014-10-29T02:23:39 < zyp> it's just over a year since it was funded, kickstarter projects aren't fulfilled that fast
2014-10-29T02:24:01 < dlnx``> gxti: oooh
2014-10-29T02:24:05 < dlnx``> shame on me indeed
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2014-10-29T02:36:39 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KFAGCUM
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2014-10-29T02:42:50 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ0SgAU9LXI
2014-10-29T02:43:47 < dongs> haha thats great
2014-10-29T02:47:31 < dongs> got a quote on ls40, checaper than what I sunk into this piece of shit i got so far and more feeders with that.
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2014-10-29T03:06:03 < jadew> about that arkyd thing -- can you even build a rocket with $1 million?
2014-10-29T03:06:27 < jadew> I'd guess the costs are much higher than that
2014-10-29T03:06:54 < dongs> didnt india recently launch something for way cheapr than anyone else
2014-10-29T03:07:13 < dongs> india sent some shit to mars for a few bucks
2014-10-29T03:07:51 < jadew> it's more likely that something fled india to mars
2014-10-29T03:08:14 < jadew> in their case stuff wants to get away
2014-10-29T03:09:35 < jadew> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Space_Research_Organisation
2014-10-29T03:11:00 < jadew> impressive
2014-10-29T03:11:45 < jadew> compared to my country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Space_Agency
2014-10-29T03:11:53 < jadew> we have conferences and meetings lol
2014-10-29T03:13:36 < dongs> i dont seee any pictures of rockets
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2014-10-29T04:08:08 < upgrdman> nice factory:  http://imgur.com/gallery/iIfIWd5
2014-10-29T04:09:53 < upgrdman> (nsfw)
2014-10-29T04:12:03 < dongs> old
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2014-10-29T04:12:14 < dongs> this is some stupid brit tv show
2014-10-29T04:13:28 < upgrdman> oh :(
2014-10-29T04:13:31 < jadew> "how it's made?"
2014-10-29T04:13:36 < gnomad> those are some giant dongs...
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2014-10-29T04:23:47 < upgrdman> anyone here know about SEPIC converters? is the 1:1 ratio just common, or a required part of the design?
2014-10-29T04:24:08 < upgrdman> i mean, would 1:2, 1:3, etc. be acceptable?
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2014-10-29T04:36:04 < gnomad> gotta love local news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVUl8N3uiFI
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2014-10-29T04:43:56 < madist> upgrdman: what ratio are you talking about ?
2014-10-29T04:44:34 < upgrdman> the transformer/couple inductors
2014-10-29T04:45:22 < upgrdman> gnomad: lol. fucking anchors.
2014-10-29T04:46:14 < madist> no idea about transformer based SEPIC.
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2014-10-29T04:48:12 < upgrdman> i've also seen schematics that showed what appeared to be two completely separate inductors... is that common?
2014-10-29T04:48:45 < upgrdman> i'm used to seeing them as a flyback converter with a cap shoved across the transformer.
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2014-10-29T04:49:14 < upgrdman> like this  http://m.eet.com/media/1157661/c1004-figure1.jpg
2014-10-29T04:50:04 < madist> SPEIC is 2 separate inductors aiui.
2014-10-29T04:50:57 < upgrdman> hmmm
2014-10-29T04:51:27 < upgrdman> i guess both ways are common
2014-10-29T04:51:30 < upgrdman> "It is often identified by its use of two magnetic windings. These windings can be wound on a common core, in the case of a single dual-winding coupled inductor, or they can be two independent inductors."
2014-10-29T04:51:36 < upgrdman> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1279541
2014-10-29T04:52:05 < upgrdman> when using separate inductors, so you use identical inductors? (same inductance, ESR, etc.)
2014-10-29T04:52:18 < madist> I think so.
2014-10-29T04:54:15 < madist> TI make buck-boost converters with a single inductor.
2014-10-29T05:05:48 < upgrdman> anyone know what kind price an stm32f7 will be, in small quantities? $20?
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2014-10-29T05:18:06 < dongs> there's the pro
2014-10-29T05:18:14 < dongs> R2COM: i got quote back on LS40V
2014-10-29T05:19:43 < dongs> 53k with 36 8mm feeders, couple 12mm, and 16+24mm + tray pickup
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2014-10-29T05:27:07 < dongs> if it works i think its not bad
2014-10-29T05:27:18 < dongs> asked for some demo videos that arent shitty jewtubes from years ago
2014-10-29T05:27:24 < dongs> base price is 37k
2014-10-29T05:27:32 < dongs> the rest was 3 feeder banks and wide feeders
2014-10-29T05:28:58 < dongs> if I can get the japs to come here with 50k in cash and pickup their half broken piece of shit ill buy it right away
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2014-10-29T05:29:43 < dongs> board setup *should* be easy if you can import pick and place data
2014-10-29T05:29:48 < dongs> most of the time will be swapping reels and shit.
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2014-10-29T05:30:24 < dongs> eh i duno, i just buy reels of like caps/res
2014-10-29T05:31:18 < dongs> my flying junk is invensense shit. nothign special
2014-10-29T05:31:54 < dongs> R2COM: did you see nasa fucked up another launch
2014-10-29T05:32:05 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ0SgAU9LXI
2014-10-29T05:35:00 < upgrdman> amazon can be so retarded sometimes. i bought some new brake rotors, shoes, springs and grease. they ship the little packets of grease, separately, in a big ass box.
2014-10-29T05:35:44 < zyp> so what?
2014-10-29T05:36:21 < dongs> upgrdman: yeah who cares, its not like you paid for shipping...
2014-10-29T05:36:42 < zyp> upgrdman, it might be stored in a completely different warehouse location where it doesn't make sense to send one box around to pick up all items
2014-10-29T05:39:55 < zyp> sure
2014-10-29T05:42:44 < zyp> http://i.imgur.com/kSCTuQX.png
2014-10-29T05:46:57 < dongs> zyp: is dat sum kerbal stoner joke
2014-10-29T05:47:03 < zyp> yes
2014-10-29T05:47:09 < zyp> I laughed
2014-10-29T05:47:36 < dongs> wasnt funny enough
2014-10-29T05:48:05 < dongs> used to, shittily
2014-10-29T05:48:09 < dongs> got bored
2014-10-29T05:49:10 < dongs> yeah just heading hold gyro
2014-10-29T05:49:23 < zyp> are you talking about helis or multirotors?
2014-10-29T05:49:34 < dongs> heli since thats what he asked
2014-10-29T05:50:06 < zyp> traditional helis are using a flybar on the rotor, which acts as a mechanical gyro
2014-10-29T05:50:20 < madist> awesome video. ruined by all the allahu akbars.
2014-10-29T05:50:45 < zyp> so they only need a single axis gyro for yaw
2014-10-29T05:51:26 < dongs> no
2014-10-29T05:51:32 < dongs> there's been shit made with garbage piezo gyros by murata
2014-10-29T05:51:33 < dongs> for years
2014-10-29T05:51:35 < dongs> single axis shit
2014-10-29T05:51:43 < zyp> you also have «flybarless» helicopters that as far as I understand are using full electronic gyro stabilization
2014-10-29T05:52:16 < upgrdman> zyp: shipping the separately is fine, i know they have shit tons of warehouses. the funny part is that a packet of brake grease is the size of a ketchup packet. and they shipped two packets in a box that is big enough to ship 10 DVDs in.
2014-10-29T05:52:47 < dongs> upgrdman: they get shipping deals by volume and tehy have a set of box sizes they choose
2014-10-29T05:53:12 < zyp> upgrdman, I bought some micro sd cards once, came in a ziploc bag in a huge box
2014-10-29T05:53:23 < dongs> yeah
2014-10-29T05:53:31 < dongs> those used to come wiht the single axis murata gyro
2014-10-29T05:53:39 < dongs> like years ago
2014-10-29T05:54:12 < dongs> no, if youre a shitty pilot then its obvious
2014-10-29T05:54:14 < zyp> dongs, didn't people buy them to rip out the gyros to make multirotor controllers?
2014-10-29T05:54:17 < dongs> yes
2014-10-29T05:54:21 < dongs> exactly, for the KK shit
2014-10-29T05:54:22 < dongs> original
2014-10-29T05:54:26 < zyp> yeah
2014-10-29T05:54:36 < dongs> then there was rage when HK switched to some new digital single axis chip in there
2014-10-29T05:55:26 < zyp> I love how widely known the KK name is
2014-10-29T05:55:29 < zyp> :D
2014-10-29T05:55:52 < dongs> http://rcexplorer.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/trimaintinance61.jpg this is what used to be in them
2014-10-29T05:55:59 < dongs> that vertically mounted murata shit
2014-10-29T05:56:22 < dongs> not sure what the new one is... still triyng to fidnd pics
2014-10-29T05:56:42 < dongs> http://www.rcdiscuss.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=354&d=1318857008
2014-10-29T05:56:51 < dongs> looks like epson stuff
2014-10-29T05:56:57 < dongs> same shit that was in old nintendo garbage
2014-10-29T05:57:26 < dongs> R2COM: just look at it, its garbage pcb with garbage soldering, etc. whole thing is garbage.
2014-10-29T05:57:32 < dongs> but if you dont know how to fly youre fucked anyway
2014-10-29T05:58:09 < zyp> «I just want some cheap shit that I can crash»
2014-10-29T06:00:34 < dongs> heh
2014-10-29T06:00:35 < dongs> i sampled those before
2014-10-29T06:00:46 < dongs> oh wow, lol no not that on e
2014-10-29T06:00:59 < dongs> it was CRS something
2014-10-29T06:01:01 < dongs> pinpoint..
2014-10-29T06:01:02 < dongs> that
2014-10-29T06:01:14 < dongs> http://www.siliconsensing.com/products/mems-gyroscopes/pinpoint/
2014-10-29T06:01:15 < dongs> this shit
2014-10-29T06:01:38 < dongs> just dicking around
2014-10-29T06:01:50 < dongs> i made a breakout board for it and lost interest
2014-10-29T06:02:53 < dongs> they are quite low bandwidth
2014-10-29T06:03:42 < dongs> right
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2014-10-29T06:18:41 < englishman> ooh rc chats
2014-10-29T06:18:44 < englishman> what u doin R2COM
2014-10-29T06:18:52 < dongs> getting stoned, probably
2014-10-29T06:18:59 < dongs> like me
2014-10-29T06:19:11 < dongs> fucking dicknplace shitted itself, idiots arent picking up the phone
2014-10-29T06:19:12 < englishman> stoned on pure russian vodka
2014-10-29T06:19:25 < dongs> unbelievably garbage software
2014-10-29T06:19:42 < dongs> i think when they finalyl asnwer Im gonna tell them to come pick this garbage up and bring some cash for refund
2014-10-29T06:20:04 < dongs> 5 fucking years was given to them to make software less garbage, and it just gets worse
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2014-10-29T06:58:11 < upgrdman> gyro bandwidth == max angular velocity?
2014-10-29T07:05:25 < gnomad> ANother fun fact about the rocket that blew up: the 1st stage engine was one of the NK-33's built in the early 1970s for one of the canceled Soviet N1 moon rockets
2014-10-29T07:06:23 < madist> NOS Engines ? In my rocket ??
2014-10-29T07:07:25 < upgrdman> they keep those engines in mothballs for >40yrs?
2014-10-29T07:08:50 < englishman> apparently so
2014-10-29T07:09:03 < englishman> When the N-1 program was shut down, all work on the project was ordered destroyed. A bureaucrat instead took the engines, worth millions of dollars each, and stored them in a warehouse. Word of the engines eventually spread to America. Nearly thirty years after they were built, disbelieving rocket engineers were led to the warehouse.
2014-10-29T07:09:52 < upgrdman> wonder why they would destroy stuff
2014-10-29T07:09:58 < englishman> Aerojet has agreed to recondition sufficient NK-33s to serve Orbital's 16-flight NASA Commercial Resupply Services contract.
2014-10-29T07:10:02 < englishman> wow
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2014-10-29T07:13:45 < englishman> anyone got a replacement for AOZ1281DI, out of stock :(
2014-10-29T07:16:04 < dongs> 10/27/2014 - Delivery Date Past Due - Contact Digi-Key
2014-10-29T07:16:18 < dongs> looks like they had some on order
2014-10-29T07:16:19 < madist> Alpha & Omega Semiconductor ? what a weird name.
2014-10-29T07:16:19 < dongs> and someone fucked up
2014-10-29T07:17:58 < englishman> cant seem to find similar stuff in that size
2014-10-29T07:34:43 < gnomad> The N1 program didn't go so well for the Soviets, so in true soviet fashion they tried to get rid of all trace of it.
2014-10-29T07:35:52 < dongs> cue in soviet russia jokes
2014-10-29T07:35:55 < gnomad> th NK-33 engines were actually very advanced for their time.
2014-10-29T07:36:44 < gnomad> The US (nor anyone else) was ever able to develop a closed-cycle engine.
2014-10-29T07:38:48 < madist> Obama had the rocket rigged to explode on takeoff to make fun of Putin.
2014-10-29T07:39:03 < englishman> makes sense
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2014-10-29T07:39:10 < dongs> youre not wrong
2014-10-29T07:39:29 < dongs> also as revenge for MH17
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2014-10-29T07:39:43 < madist> MH370
2014-10-29T07:39:43 < englishman> which was revenge for MH370
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2014-10-29T07:39:56 < dongs> madist: 17 was the one shot down by ukraininins
2014-10-29T07:40:01 < madist> ah
2014-10-29T07:40:19 < madist> and MH370 was the one the Americans hijacked and flew to Diego Garcia.
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2014-10-29T08:04:01 < gnomad> Oh sure, the NK-33 was the first closed cycle engine.
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2014-10-29T08:05:04 < gnomad> the RD-180 has the advantage of 30 years additional research.
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2014-10-29T08:17:35 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShLJa7iwDR0 is this old
2014-10-29T08:19:18 < zyp> makes as much sense as all other korean to me
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2014-10-29T09:32:14 < dongs> Attention: If there is anything wrong with the item that you have purchased, please do not leave negative feedback. Just contact us and we fix the issue smoothly.
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2014-10-29T11:03:34 < dongs> nice
2014-10-29T11:03:40 < dongs> 3phase is in, my washing machine is running
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2014-10-29T12:18:09 < dongs> hello trolls
2014-10-29T12:18:24 < karlp> morning
2014-10-29T12:18:49 < scrts_w> dongs: you bought tek MDO series scope?
2014-10-29T12:18:58 < scrts_w> apparently one guy from my country hacked its options
2014-10-29T12:19:06 < scrts_w> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/mdo3000-hacking/
2014-10-29T12:20:42 < dongs> um wat
2014-10-29T12:20:46 < dongs> all my options are already enabled
2014-10-29T12:21:07 < scrts_w> all possible or all that you need?
2014-10-29T12:21:16 < dongs> i'm way ahead of those dicks
2014-10-29T12:21:17 < scrts_w> and the highest bandwidth enabled?
2014-10-29T12:21:20 < dongs> all possible
2014-10-29T12:21:37 < dongs> its mdo4104-6, its already at the highest bandwidth for that series anyway.
2014-10-29T12:21:47 < scrts_w> ah, cool :>
2014-10-29T12:21:57 < dongs> but yeah, i used my dpo4vid dongle that I had
2014-10-29T12:22:07 < dongs> created licenses for all other shit and moved them into my old scope
2014-10-29T12:22:20 < dongs> then wrote all modules license into the dongle and kept it in my new scope
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2014-10-29T12:32:13 < dongs> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2IXF7mk6Vmo/U6F_Dixnw8I/AAAAAAAATuY/r-RxTC9LcSY/s640/20140618_125815.jpg
2014-10-29T12:33:11 < dongs> scrts_w: http://i.imgur.com/zHGCKjK.png all those are on but in a way i can't show on screneshot without giving away the enable method
2014-10-29T12:34:30 < karlp> is there a reason you can't give away the enable method?
2014-10-29T12:34:52 < karlp> what's "embedded" triggering? vs the others?
2014-10-29T12:35:00 < dongs> because the trash will end up on hackaday
2014-10-29T12:35:44 < karlp> well, yeah, but you still need to be buying a multik$ piece of kit first anyway right?
2014-10-29T12:36:00 < dongs> karlp: aero/auto/comp/embd are somewaht overlapping, they enable i2c/spi/i2s/rs232 etc triggering/decoding
2014-10-29T12:36:27 < dongs> i think comp enables rs232/uart, embd i2c+spi, auto is can+rs232 etc
2014-10-29T12:36:29 < karlp> yeah, was kinda curious what ws in each one, seems as arbitrary as any other software restriction :)
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2014-10-29T12:36:40 < dongs> it is pretty dumb, especially wiht overlap
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2014-10-29T12:39:31 < dongs> http://uk.farnell.com/tektronix/dpo4embd/application-module-4000-i2c-spi/dp/1856701 holy shit what rip
2014-10-29T12:41:58 < karlp> for i2c/spi only?!
2014-10-29T12:45:48 < dongs> yes
2014-10-29T12:45:49 < dongs> lulz
2014-10-29T12:45:59 < dongs> oh yay i found the video picture app
2014-10-29T12:46:04 < dongs> it decodes ntsc live!
2014-10-29T12:46:06 < dongs> into the scope
2014-10-29T12:50:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/r6FDP5H.png i got a new tv
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2014-10-29T12:50:42 < scrts_w> pretty shitty I must say :)))
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2014-10-29T12:55:25 < Laurenceb__> you know the eeprom modules have been hacked right?
2014-10-29T12:55:56 < dongs> Laurenceb__: i knew that before MAKE:R faggots knew what internet was
2014-10-29T12:56:04 < Laurenceb__> lol
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2014-10-29T13:01:54 < jadew> dongs, nice
2014-10-29T13:02:28 < jadew> picture in picture in picture in picture?
2014-10-29T13:02:38 < dongs> yes
2014-10-29T13:02:54 < jadew> how do you like it so far?
2014-10-29T13:03:01 < dongs> for 16k i expected color tho
2014-10-29T13:03:07 < jadew> heh
2014-10-29T13:03:25 < emeryth> color is a 10k upgrade plz send money
2014-10-29T13:21:07 < dongs> jadew: japs have e4402b for real cheap on auctions
2014-10-29T13:21:15 < dongs> i had no idea they were so expensive on ebay
2014-10-29T13:21:23 < dongs> its liek >$5k on all models on ebay
2014-10-29T13:21:27 < dongs> japs have it for ~$2k
2014-10-29T13:21:42 < dongs> i'd get rid of mine locally because of shipping but not at that price lo
2014-10-29T13:22:05 < jadew> yeah, e-bay is overpriced
2014-10-29T13:22:14 < dongs> http://page21.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/j289024377
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2014-10-29T13:23:28 < jadew> how about this one? http://page22.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l232478719
2014-10-29T13:23:29 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=E4402B&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc
2014-10-29T13:23:30 < jadew> what does it say?
2014-10-29T13:23:59 < dongs> hardware option B4,B5,B7,B15. self test OK
2014-10-29T13:24:10 < dongs> only done testing of plug in and turn on
2014-10-29T13:24:26 < dongs> lol floppy
2014-10-29T13:24:34 < jadew> :)
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2014-10-29T13:26:33 < dongs> this seller is some random ofice trash recycler dudes
2014-10-29T13:26:38 < dongs> they probly dont even know waht that shit is/does
2014-10-29T13:27:17 < jadew> I wonder how much would I pay for shipping to Romania
2014-10-29T13:27:48 < dongs> like < 1% of auction dudes will ship international
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2014-10-29T13:27:58 < jadew> ah
2014-10-29T13:28:04 < emeryth> jadew: you could probably fly there yourself and still get a good deal
2014-10-29T13:28:26 < jadew> emeryth, looks like it
2014-10-29T13:28:34 < dongs> 23jg
2014-10-29T13:28:36 < dongs> 23kg holy shit
2014-10-29T13:29:15 < dongs> @ 25kg it would be like 350$ to ship, assuming you could convince them to
2014-10-29T13:29:25 < dongs> bbl bath
2014-10-29T13:29:37 < jadew> that's not much
2014-10-29T13:52:42 < dongs> wtf
2014-10-29T13:52:49 < dongs> jadew: that R&S shit is like $5-10k on ebay
2014-10-29T13:52:59 < jadew> dongs, I know
2014-10-29T13:53:05 < dongs> japs must be dum
2014-10-29T13:54:06 < emeryth> or maybe it's radioactive
2014-10-29T13:54:16 < jadew> http://page11.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/n136280669#enlargeimg
2014-10-29T13:54:35 < dongs> haha 300bux
2014-10-29T13:54:37 < jadew> 21 GHz SA, ends in 2 hours
2014-10-29T13:55:03 < dongs> oh its acutally bidding
2014-10-29T13:55:09 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-29T13:55:34 < jadew> do you think they know english?
2014-10-29T13:55:38 < dongs> nope
2014-10-29T13:55:58 < jadew> I'd like to get on that auction
2014-10-29T13:56:12 < scrts_w> you sure it's not scam? :)
2014-10-29T13:56:28 < jadew> scrts_w, in Japan?
2014-10-29T13:56:40 < jadew> I don't think they have much of that
2014-10-29T13:57:02 < dongs> 'as shown in pictures, it doesn't power up, cause is unknown'
2014-10-29T13:57:09 < jadew> yeah, I noticed that
2014-10-29T13:57:26 < dongs> apparently 25 dicks think they can fix it tho
2014-10-29T13:57:37 < dongs> or just cant read
2014-10-29T13:57:52 < jadew> yeah, it's a gamble
2014-10-29T13:58:08 < dongs> eh, i want DVM app that was a free option on MDO3000
2014-10-29T13:58:12 < jadew> could be just the PSU or could be something else that fried the PSU :)
2014-10-29T13:58:14 < dongs> i wonder why they removed it from MDO4k
2014-10-29T13:58:25 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9n6FqW7DTQ
2014-10-29T13:58:37 < jadew> dongs, I know it
2014-10-29T13:58:39 < dongs> i could get rid of my fluke73
2014-10-29T13:58:49 < jadew> it's rather low count tho
2014-10-29T13:58:56 < jadew> and takes a lot of screen estate
2014-10-29T13:59:04 < dongs> DVM thing?
2014-10-29T13:59:08 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-29T13:59:21 < dongs> well, its just larger numbers in one place easier to see
2014-10-29T13:59:27 < dongs> im sure you can get exactly same shit w/measurements menu
2014-10-29T13:59:33 < dongs> but it would take a bit of tiem to set all of htem up
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2014-10-29T14:00:53 < dongs> rage
2014-10-29T14:01:08 < dongs> apparently mdo3k was also based on differenet architecture (imx6)
2014-10-29T14:01:23 < dongs> where dpo4k and mdo4k are same (virtex ppc core or someshit)
2014-10-29T14:01:37 < jadew> well, they are completely different inside
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2014-10-29T14:02:41 < jadew> I think the MDO4k has a real SA, while the MDO3k interpolates all the ADCs and does FFT
2014-10-29T14:03:21 < scrts_w> what do you mean by real SA? It also use the same ADCs I presume :)
2014-10-29T14:03:24 < dongs> you cant do probes and SA at same time on 3k?
2014-10-29T14:03:37 < jadew> scrts_w, it's a different instrument for the SA
2014-10-29T14:03:41 < jadew> dongs, nope
2014-10-29T14:03:49 < dongs> scrts_w: well, on this one you can scope 4 channels while analyzing spectrum
2014-10-29T14:04:17 < scrts_w> oh.. that's damn nice then
2014-10-29T14:05:04 < jadew> it's aweome
2014-10-29T14:05:13 < jadew> awesome
2014-10-29T14:05:40 < scrts_w> I wonder how regular ultra high frequency spectrum analyzers are made...
2014-10-29T14:05:45 < scrts_w> e.g. up to 20GHz
2014-10-29T14:05:54 < jadew> mixers
2014-10-29T14:06:06 < jadew> they downconvert
2014-10-29T14:06:45 < scrts_w> ok and what's the bandwidth allowed for such scopes?
2014-10-29T14:07:03 < scrts_w> downconvert 1GHz is still a huge task
2014-10-29T14:07:09 < jadew> for the mdo?
2014-10-29T14:07:15 < scrts_w> now, I mean in general
2014-10-29T14:07:28 < scrts_w> *no*
2014-10-29T14:07:31 < dongs> it seems span is limited to 3ghz
2014-10-29T14:07:33 < dongs> on this one
2014-10-29T14:07:40 < dongs> but i can go 0-3 and 3-6
2014-10-29T14:07:54 < dongs> (or in between, etc).
2014-10-29T14:08:00 < jadew> scrts_w, well they need 20 GHz bw
2014-10-29T14:08:16 < scrts_w> http://www.rohde-schwarz.com/en/product/fsw-productstartpage_63493-11793.html
2014-10-29T14:08:22 < scrts_w> this one has 500MHz span
2014-10-29T14:08:35 < jadew> i'm on on screen kb, so slow answer while like this
2014-10-29T14:08:49 < scrts_w> so you need at least 1GSPS ADC...
2014-10-29T14:10:37 < jadew> scrts_w, they have 2.5 gsps adcs on mdo3k i think
2014-10-29T14:10:52 < jadew> so 10 gsps interpolated
2014-10-29T14:14:19 < scrts_w> they have 4 ADCs?
2014-10-29T14:14:48 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-29T14:15:47 < jadew> my kid just said 3, in english, he oly knows "water" in romanian
2014-10-29T14:16:11 < jadew> we're watching a lot of mother goose club
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2014-10-29T14:19:13 < jadew> scrts_w, I wouldn't get the mdo3k
2014-10-29T14:19:45 < jadew> either 4k, or cheaper, separate tools
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2014-10-29T14:39:28 < scrts_w> jadew: it would be nice to try to do such a high frequency SA :)
2014-10-29T14:39:37 < scrts_w> however the signals there are... basically not there
2014-10-29T14:39:52 < scrts_w> I saw how much of statistics calculations people do for 80GHz stuff
2014-10-29T14:42:19 < jadew> after a few GHz, it's all black magic
2014-10-29T14:43:24 < jadew> I think few people have an intuitive understanding on how to work with waves of that frequency
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2014-10-29T18:48:43 < Guest83127> Someone said there is no need to have assembly startup code for the stmf4xx?
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2014-10-29T18:52:22 < karlp> for any cortex, no.
2014-10-29T18:52:48 < karlp> heh, compiled code in std=c11, netbeans complains about for (int i...) saying I need c99 for that :)
2014-10-29T18:53:09 < dongs> y2k problem
2014-10-29T18:54:17 < Guest83127> Then how is the .data section initialised for C?
2014-10-29T18:55:12 < dongs> while (1) lol;
2014-10-29T18:55:30 < karlp> Guest83127: you can do that in c. see for instance: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/lib/cm3/vector.c#L62
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2014-10-29T19:01:53 < Guest83127> I see there is a function call to reset_handler
2014-10-29T19:02:09 < Guest83127> Does not that need to use the stack?
2014-10-29T19:03:21 < karlp> reset handler is the second vector, and the stack pointer is the first vector.
2014-10-29T19:03:57 < karlp> the chip calls reset_handler, this is all in the arm docs, the takeaway is "no asm required for startup"
2014-10-29T19:06:34 < Guest83127> I see
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2014-10-29T19:27:04 < Guest83127> How can I create variables that will be located in the external memory chip?  In the demo code from st library, I see the author use pointers to cell locations in external memory, but it's tedious to keep track of the addresses for each variable.
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2014-10-29T19:55:34 < zyp> Guest83127, you mean global variables?
2014-10-29T19:56:39 < zyp> if so, you have to make a new section in the linker script and locate that in the external memory, then use the section attribute on the variables when they are declared to tell that they should be placed in that section
2014-10-29T20:03:47 < Guest83127> hmmm, sounds complicated
2014-10-29T20:06:41 < zyp> in the end it's like how you'd use PROGMEM on AVR to say that a variable should be located in flash
2014-10-29T20:09:33 < Guest83127> If I define a new section for the external memory in the linker script, then when should I initialise my memory controller? Before main() in the (assembly?) startup code?
2014-10-29T20:11:04 < akaWolf> before first using of the external mamory
2014-10-29T20:11:05 < akaWolf> e*
2014-10-29T20:11:56 < akaWolf> dont think, that before main you need external memory
2014-10-29T20:11:56 < Guest83127> akaWolf: So I can still initialise my controller in main()?
2014-10-29T20:12:05 < akaWolf> I think, so
2014-10-29T20:12:31 < zyp> Guest83127, if I'm allowed to say so, putting global variables in external memory is rather pointless
2014-10-29T20:12:41 < zyp> what do you hope to achieve by doing that?
2014-10-29T20:12:52 < Guest83127> akaWolf: What if I have a global variable that should be located in that external memory?
2014-10-29T20:13:40 < Guest83127> zyp: why so?
2014-10-29T20:14:12 < Guest83127> zyp: I just want to use the external memory like the internal sram
2014-10-29T20:14:22 < akaWolf> you should only set values (to null) to this variables after external controller memory initialisation
2014-10-29T20:14:27 < zyp> Guest83127, why?
2014-10-29T20:14:31 < akaWolf> you can do it in the main()
2014-10-29T20:14:34 < akaWolf> before main
2014-10-29T20:15:00 < akaWolf> or after main :)
2014-10-29T20:15:16 < akaWolf> but before using that variables
2014-10-29T20:15:18 < Guest83127> zyp: Because I have a bunch of data arrays large enough that won't fit in internal sram
2014-10-29T20:15:23 < zyp> Guest83127, external memory is much slower than internal sram, so you don't really want to use it for small stuff that would fit in sram anyway
2014-10-29T20:16:27 < synic> any of you guys have any experience with interfacing to an nrf24l01 chip?  I'm trying to do something super simple, like write 5 bytes to the TX address register, and then reading those 5 bytes back out.  however, the data out is corrupted.  the first two bytes are the same that I wrote, the next two are 0 (which is wrong), and the last byte matches
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2014-10-29T20:17:45 < akaWolf> maybe second two to readonly? )
2014-10-29T20:18:16 < akaWolf> is
2014-10-29T20:21:44 < akaWolf> such cheeps can have everithing :)
2014-10-29T20:22:45 < zyp> Guest83127, you might want to use a simple dynamic allocator, like this: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/ruUnd
2014-10-29T20:24:41 < akaWolf> it will be not just like a using of "int foo"
2014-10-29T20:24:52 < synic> but... afaict, it's the register where you tell it what address what you want to use for TX
2014-10-29T20:25:01 < synic> why would it ever have some bytes that are read only?
2014-10-29T20:25:36 < akaWolf> synic: sorry, dont know, I think, you need just a reread DS
2014-10-29T20:25:37 < akaWolf> :)
2014-10-29T20:39:13 < Guest83127> zyp: How do I use your function?
2014-10-29T20:39:56 < zyp> like malloc()
2014-10-29T20:40:04 < zyp> except you can't free anything once allocated :)
2014-10-29T20:40:33 < Guest83127> I have never used malloc
2014-10-29T20:41:01 < Guest83127> Let's say I want to declare a variable foo, how I do it with your function?
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2014-10-29T20:43:12 < akaWolf> Guest83127: int *foo = malloc(sizeof(int));
2014-10-29T20:45:53 < Guest83127> ah
2014-10-29T20:45:56 < Guest83127> Thanks
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2014-10-29T22:22:36 < jadew> the new flash show is garbage :(
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2014-10-29T22:24:11 < Steffanx> You mean The Flash, jadew?
2014-10-29T22:24:43 < jadew> yeah
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2014-10-29T22:26:00 < Steffanx> ooh, now i get it.. The flash strike in Arrow was about THAT.
2014-10-29T22:26:07 < Steffanx> *lightning strike
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2014-10-29T22:28:47 < jadew> Steffanx, Arrow meets with the flash in the first episode
2014-10-29T22:29:23 < Steffanx> Ah, but the lightning strike is something that happened quite a few episodes ago in Arrow.
2014-10-29T22:29:54 < jadew> there are only 4 episodes of The Flash at the moment
2014-10-29T22:30:04 < jadew> I don't think it's going to make it past season 1
2014-10-29T22:32:14 < Steffanx> U.S. viewers count is pretty average ..
2014-10-29T22:33:11 < jadew> you should watch it, it's stupid
2014-10-29T22:33:27 < jadew> not intriguing at all
2014-10-29T22:33:44 < jadew> and they keep repeating the same stuff
2014-10-29T22:34:19 < Steffanx> maybe i shouldn't, already watch too much crap.
2014-10-29T22:34:24 < jadew> they keep stating and underlining things that could be understood from the context
2014-10-29T22:34:47 < jadew> I keep rewatching the same shows recently
2014-10-29T22:35:32 < jadew> married with children, the big bang theory, family guy and stargate
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2014-10-29T22:35:47 < Steffanx> married with childeren :P
2014-10-29T22:35:49 < Steffanx> -e
2014-10-29T22:35:58 < jadew> tried re-watching other shows too, but I guess they don't have the same re-watchability value :)
2014-10-29T22:36:06 < jadew> yeah, it's great
2014-10-29T22:36:09 < jadew> shameless humor
2014-10-29T22:36:17 < Steffanx> i like to watch Fringe, .. i love that ( eventhough people complain it's too much like the x-files)
2014-10-29T22:36:41 < jadew> I got into that for a while, but somehow I forgot about it
2014-10-29T22:36:49 < jadew> might start it over after I'm done with stargate
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2014-10-30T01:33:01 < kakeman> have you seen multicolor pcbs ever?
2014-10-30T01:33:23 < kakeman> pcb with painting or such
2014-10-30T01:35:06 < gxti> you can get multiple solid soldermask colors if yo pay enough (it's not a standard thing)
2014-10-30T01:36:44 < kakeman> thing I mean that one board has multiple colors
2014-10-30T01:37:29 < gxti> yes.
2014-10-30T01:38:28 < kakeman> have you seen such?
2014-10-30T01:38:38 < gxti> arduino uses it instead of silkscreen.
2014-10-30T01:38:41 < gxti> it's white soldermask.
2014-10-30T01:38:57 < gxti> it's not really practical to do anything more complex than that.
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2014-10-30T01:41:28 < kakeman> maybe to add some graphic nyance?
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2014-10-30T01:52:35 < Laurenceb__> http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/aOyx0VR_460sa_v1.gif
2014-10-30T01:54:33 < BrainDamage> https://i.4cdn.org/int/1414591955618.jpg
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2014-10-30T02:31:09 < englishman> <gxti> arduino uses it instead of silkscreen.
2014-10-30T02:31:12 < englishman> cool, didnt know that
2014-10-30T02:31:39 < englishman> for all the text and stuff or just the big logo on the back?
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2014-10-30T03:16:27 < yan_> anyone know if i can use a portion of the DSP library on a stm32L1? trying to use a low pass filter, wondering if i'll have to implement from scratch
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2014-10-30T04:41:50 < zyp> hey emeb_mac
2014-10-30T04:42:14 < zyp> what would you suspect, when fsmc writes randomly fail?
2014-10-30T04:43:02 < emeb_mac> what are you writing to?
2014-10-30T04:43:15 < zyp> I haven't touched this since I got it somewhat working
2014-10-30T04:43:36 < zyp> I have a blockram hooked up to the fsmc bridge
2014-10-30T04:43:58 < zyp> so I'm simply writing and reading back data from gdb
2014-10-30T04:44:29 < zyp> some times I'm reading back the old value instead of the newly written one
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2014-10-30T05:10:12 < zyp> emeb_mac, ah, got it, I was sampling data and byte lane enables on the rising edge of NWE, and they only remain valid for 1 HCLK after, and I'm running this on at 42 MHz now
2014-10-30T05:10:47 < emeb_mac> ah - missing the valid portion of the cycle
2014-10-30T05:10:53 < zyp> yeah
2014-10-30T05:11:16 < zyp> changed the timing around and now it seems to work fine
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2014-10-30T05:20:14 < emeb_mac> \o/
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2014-10-30T05:54:58 < englishman> will you actually use tape on a white board
2014-10-30T05:55:02 < englishman> plz do
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2014-10-30T07:13:41 < englishman> production hardware http://i.imgur.com/RiOB4eX.jpg
2014-10-30T07:15:30 < dongs> looks legit
2014-10-30T07:16:15 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CP2xpKS.jpg im gonna do some signal piracy
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2014-10-30T07:40:16 < madist> the counters are cascaded ?
2014-10-30T07:41:04 < madist> that was a dumb question.
2014-10-30T07:41:42 < madist> that's either a very big dish or a very small jap
2014-10-30T07:42:04 < madist> what's it for ?
2014-10-30T07:43:49 < zyp> big dish?
2014-10-30T07:44:02 < zyp> looks fairly small to me
2014-10-30T07:52:12 < englishman> r2com is super chatty
2014-10-30T07:52:56 < madist> big for a rooftop/domestic
2014-10-30T07:54:14 < madist> unless dongs is installing a radar on his roof to warn him of approaching  Sikorsky UH-60s.
2014-10-30T08:01:08 < zyp> my parents' house used to have a dish that was a fair amount larger than that
2014-10-30T08:03:55 < zyp> but it was in the way when they built a deck, so now they have a smaller dish, that's probably comparable in size to the one in the pic
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2014-10-30T09:47:20 < dongs> http://www.wide.hk/products.php?product=Mini-OLED-USB-Charger-Power-Current-Voltage-Detector-%7B47%7D-Tester-%7B47%7D-Meter
2014-10-30T09:47:25 < dongs> https://plxdevices.com/product_info.php?id=MOBLLEGIONMETER
2014-10-30T09:47:28 < dongs> ^ lol
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2014-10-30T12:04:57  * jadew just bought a SA
2014-10-30T12:06:35 < dongs> nice what;'d you get
2014-10-30T12:06:35 < jadew> 30 Hz to 6.5 GHz \o/
2014-10-30T12:06:48 < jadew> HP 8561E
2014-10-30T12:07:08 < jadew> 1 Hz RBW :D
2014-10-30T12:07:43 < dongs> cool
2014-10-30T12:07:51 < dongs> my pal recently got probly ~similar HP model for around 4k
2014-10-30T12:07:52 < dongs> 12ghz tho
2014-10-30T12:07:56 < dongs> w/tracking generator
2014-10-30T12:08:01 < karlp> and all I'm doing is watching ski jumping japanese tires: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f62Z8Ev9OXA
2014-10-30T12:08:04 < jadew> neat, this one doesn't have a TG
2014-10-30T12:08:15 < jadew> it was $1.3k
2014-10-30T12:08:35 < jadew> I hope I'll receive it next week
2014-10-30T12:09:25 < dongs> somewhere from EU then?
2014-10-30T12:09:29 < jadew> yep
2014-10-30T12:09:49 < dongs> not bae
2014-10-30T12:09:50 < dongs> bad
2014-10-30T12:10:15 < jadew> yeah, I think it's a good deal, I just hope there won't be any surprises with it
2014-10-30T12:10:39 < _Sync_> what options did you get with it?
2014-10-30T12:11:07 < jadew> _Sync_, doesn't say anything about options, so I assumed it's bare bone
2014-10-30T12:13:11 < jadew> since it doesn't have a TG, I guess the first thing I'll build will be a noise source that can go up to 6.5 GHz
2014-10-30T12:13:35 < _Sync_> just get a function generator
2014-10-30T12:13:43 < _Sync_> using a noise source sucks
2014-10-30T12:14:12 < jadew> I have one, but it can only go up to 120 MHz, a rf sig gen that goes that high is pretty expensive
2014-10-30T12:14:18 < jadew> ~1k+
2014-10-30T12:17:02 < jadew> it's not too expensive, but expensive for what it does
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2014-10-30T12:32:07 < jadew> now I need a VSWR bridge
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2014-10-30T13:43:59 < dongs>  http://www.gfycat.com/EquatorialThirstyAlaskajingle omfg
2014-10-30T13:45:59 < _Sync_> lel
2014-10-30T13:46:18 < dongs> do want
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2014-10-30T14:30:12 < dongs> BREAKING: In a Bloomberg Businessweek column, Apple CEO Tim Cook announces he's gay.
2014-10-30T14:30:15 < dongs> attn
2014-10-30T14:31:11 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pu9uz40YdA
2014-10-30T14:31:49 < Steffanx> 휠 <= is that some man with a hat on a toilet ?
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2014-10-30T14:43:45 < Steffanx> wheels.. how on earth they make wheels out of that?
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2014-10-30T14:55:45 < madist> its Japan.
2014-10-30T14:55:49 < madist> their wheels are square.
2014-10-30T14:57:07 < Steffanx> google says its korean
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2014-10-30T15:25:04 < Laurenceb> omg 4 realz?
2014-10-30T15:25:17 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29829763
2014-10-30T15:25:20 < Laurenceb> i knew it
2014-10-30T15:29:03 < PaulFertser> Oh come on, how is that news even? What if he said he likes pizzas or tricycles? Who the fuck cares?
2014-10-30T15:30:46 < Laurenceb> trollz
2014-10-30T15:41:04 < madist> why is it a surprise ?
2014-10-30T15:41:09 < madist> all his customers are faggots
2014-10-30T15:41:59 < madist> (apologies to any actual gay people)
2014-10-30T15:42:14 < akaWolf> :)
2014-10-30T15:44:32 < akaWolf> madist: I forgive you.
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2014-10-30T16:27:30 < dongs> sup dongs
2014-10-30T16:27:42 < dongs> < madist> all his customers are faggots
2014-10-30T16:28:27 < dongs> <timcook> being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me
2014-10-30T16:28:28 < dongs> <blogger> being gay was a pre-requisit to being apple ceo
2014-10-30T16:28:28 < dongs> <blogger> there's no other way you could love those devices
2014-10-30T16:30:11 < madist> http://abc13.com/automotive/overweight-crash-test-dummies-being-developed-in-response-to-us-obesity-trends/371823/
2014-10-30T16:30:29 < Steffanx> Finally some important news, madist thanks!
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2014-10-30T16:32:53 < Steffanx> dongs is posting the good old "meanwhile at apple headquarters" photo everywhere again?
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2014-10-30T16:34:02 < Cyric> lol.. with that surname was preatty obviuous :)
2014-10-30T16:37:07 < Cyric> madist: i like gays... more there are around more women left for ME...
2014-10-30T16:37:53 < ReadError> said the 300lb neckbeard
2014-10-30T16:37:59 < englishman> where can i get a 12g sa for 4k
2014-10-30T16:38:07 < Steffanx> sa ..
2014-10-30T16:38:11 < madist> back of a truck
2014-10-30T16:38:16 < dongs> englishman: duno my pal got somewehre
2014-10-30T16:38:26 < englishman> was it the back of a truck
2014-10-30T16:39:28 < jadew> of course there's a problem with my purchase
2014-10-30T16:39:33 < dongs> lorf
2014-10-30T16:40:03 < jadew> altho I paid for it, it appears as not paid, because apparently his paypal address is not confirmed
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2014-10-30T16:40:14 < dongs> scamd
2014-10-30T16:40:14 < jadew> and the guy doesn't answer to messages
2014-10-30T16:40:25 < jadew> tried to call him and I get a busy tone
2014-10-30T16:40:32 < ReadError> you might get some socks
2014-10-30T16:40:34 < jadew> dongs, I'm still hoping it's a dumbass
2014-10-30T16:40:38 < ReadError> if you are lucky
2014-10-30T16:40:46 < englishman> ebay+paypal?
2014-10-30T16:40:52 < jadew> englishman, yeah
2014-10-30T16:40:58 < englishman> yeah open that ticket immediately
2014-10-30T16:41:22 < jadew> why?
2014-10-30T16:41:36 < englishman> why wouldnt you
2014-10-30T16:41:49 < dongs> i still ahvent opeend ticket for that $20 fpv miniquad thing from china
2014-10-30T16:41:50 < englishman> you dont have your shit and you cant contact him
2014-10-30T16:41:51 < dongs> i probly should
2014-10-30T16:41:57 < englishman> alarm bells should be fucking ringing
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2014-10-30T16:42:17 < jadew> englishman, I only won the auction today
2014-10-30T16:42:29 < jadew> he could be at work for all I know (doesn't explain the busy tone tho)
2014-10-30T16:42:50 < jadew> but I'm worried about the fact that he didn't receive the money (in paypal it says unclaimed)
2014-10-30T16:42:57 < dongs> oh
2014-10-30T16:42:58 < dongs> that just means
2014-10-30T16:43:01 < dongs> you sent in eur or some other trash
2014-10-30T16:43:03 < dongs> and he has to accept it
2014-10-30T16:43:11 < jadew> oh, really?
2014-10-30T16:43:12 < dongs> or wahtever, some currency he chose to manually accept
2014-10-30T16:43:13 < dongs> yeah
2014-10-30T16:43:22 < dongs> it just means he hasnt seen teh payment in account yet.
2014-10-30T16:43:24 < jadew> I sent it in USD
2014-10-30T16:43:35 < dongs> which makes sense, since hes not replying your messages either
2014-10-30T16:43:43 < dongs> you will get email when he accepts
2014-10-30T16:43:45 < jadew> problem is this was a relisting and he said in the new description that the previous winner didn't pay
2014-10-30T16:43:47 < dongs> from shitpal
2014-10-30T16:43:55 < jadew> I'm worried he had the same issue and didn't know what's going on
2014-10-30T16:44:03 < dongs> haha
2014-10-30T16:44:29 < jadew> which is why I'm desperately trying to contact him and streighten this up
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2014-10-30T16:45:36 < dongs> he shouldnt be that stupid. he gets email from shitpal in either case
2014-10-30T16:45:38 < dongs> (and ebay etc).
2014-10-30T16:45:46 < dongs> all he has to do is login and accept it.
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2014-10-30T16:46:03 < jadew> dongs, there's also a chance that his e-mail address is not confirmed
2014-10-30T16:46:10 < jadew> at least that's what the ebay customer support told me
2014-10-30T16:46:24 < dongs> unconfirmed in what, paypal?
2014-10-30T16:46:26 < jadew> so he wouldn't get any notifications from paypal - no?
2014-10-30T16:46:29 < jadew> yeah
2014-10-30T16:46:57 < dongs> he would if he has any email address associated with account it will receive mail
2014-10-30T16:47:02 < dongs> of incoming cash.
2014-10-30T16:47:06 < dongs> regardless if its confirmed or not
2014-10-30T16:47:16 < jadew> I see
2014-10-30T16:47:58 < jadew> this is so freaking annoying
2014-10-30T16:48:59 < jadew> I was pissed off I missed this auction the first time, so when I saw it relisted I knew I'm gonna win it
2014-10-30T16:49:02 < jadew> now this shit...
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2014-10-30T16:54:40 < Steffanx> poor jadew, i feel terribly sorry for you.
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2014-10-30T16:55:26 < jadew> np
2014-10-30T16:56:54 < dongs> crap, i need to get a sdxc card
2014-10-30T16:57:19 < jadew> xc? what's that rated for?
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2014-10-30T16:58:07 < dongs> its > 32gb stuff, and faster shit UHS class 1/3
2014-10-30T16:58:13 < GargantuaSauce> xtreeeeme
2014-10-30T16:58:22 < Steffanx> extreme III
2014-10-30T16:58:56 < dongs> holy shit wat uhs2 cards are $300 for 64gb
2014-10-30T16:59:01 < dongs> too extreme 4 me
2014-10-30T16:59:20 < Steffanx> hah, nice wordplay mr dongs :D
2014-10-30T16:59:48 < dongs> i'll have to settle for a $40bux one
2014-10-30T17:00:48 < dongs> micro cards are cheaper... :|
2014-10-30T17:01:29 < emeryth> cause they're smaller, duuuuh
2014-10-30T17:02:27 < dongs> oo found a SUPERTALENT one for 24bux
2014-10-30T17:02:29 < dongs> that'll do
2014-10-30T17:03:36 < emeryth> with capacity measured in gigabits
2014-10-30T17:03:58 < dongs> http://www.best-do.com/shopping/images/4582353568117-1.jpg looks legit
2014-10-30T17:04:17 < dongs> hm 25meg/sec writing
2014-10-30T17:04:48 < dongs> o wait 64gig is 30meg/sec
2014-10-30T17:04:49 < dongs> that'll do
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2014-10-30T17:06:58 < dongs> jadew: HP 8596E
2014-10-30T17:07:23 < jadew> what about it?
2014-10-30T17:07:38 < dongs> oh, teh shit my pal got
2014-10-30T17:07:44 < dongs> just retweeting cuz englishman asked
2014-10-30T17:07:50 < jadew> ah
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2014-10-30T17:09:58 < englishman> ebay?
2014-10-30T17:10:16 < englishman> "portable" lolz
2014-10-30T17:10:43 < englishman> like a 1989 laptop with CRT
2014-10-30T17:11:26 < englishman> hmh its much less on ebay, even with features
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2014-10-30T17:37:40 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYOGcc4L3AQ&feature=trueview-instream japs.
2014-10-30T17:40:07 < Steffanx> All we get is Robbie Williams..
2014-10-30T17:40:11 < dongs> http://file1.bobaedream.co.kr/multi_image/strange/2014/10/30/20/Bgw545223f7e567b.png
2014-10-30T17:40:27 < englishman> people still buy cameras?
2014-10-30T17:40:51 < dongs> pretty sure she can camwhore with her phone just as well
2014-10-30T17:41:16  * jadew got a camera recently
2014-10-30T17:41:17 < englishman> ive yet to see a dick-n-shoot with dropbox
2014-10-30T17:41:38 < dongs> that nikon has someshit
2014-10-30T17:41:53 < englishman> probably not as good as dropbox
2014-10-30T17:42:02 < BrainDamage> I'm pretty sure drugs were involved with that commercial
2014-10-30T17:42:18 < dongs> by drugs you mean japs
2014-10-30T17:42:20 < dongs> then yes
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2014-10-30T18:38:32 < englishman> dongs: this doge silk slows down diptrace like crazy
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2014-10-30T18:50:29 < Laurenceb> http://cs322130.vk.me/v322130186/5d59/vKqC1HcymjU.jpg
2014-10-30T18:52:43 < Steffanx> vkontakte <3
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2014-10-30T18:56:39 < Laurenceb> uh oh
2014-10-30T18:56:44 < Laurenceb> Zoe Quinn is here
2014-10-30T18:57:16 < Laurenceb> well - in adjacent building to me atm
2014-10-30T18:58:16 < Steffanx> pictures or it didnt happen, Laurenceb
2014-10-30T18:59:01 < Laurenceb> http://gamercity.co.uk/  <- somewhere in their offices
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2014-10-30T19:02:49 < englishman> is that a real guy or just some dude that blogs made up for clicks
2014-10-30T19:03:21 < Laurenceb> probably makes up blogs for clicks
2014-10-30T19:03:33 < Laurenceb> thats why Zoe Quinn is there
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2014-10-30T20:32:09 < jadew> Laurenceb, who is zoe quinn?
2014-10-30T20:32:49 < Laurenceb> you are lucky not to know
2014-10-30T20:36:47 < Rickta59> i guess that falls under the heading of thinking differently gnomad
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2014-10-30T21:38:53 < scummos> am I doing this wrong or is the USB lib in lpcopen extremely slow?
2014-10-30T21:39:08 < scummos> I can't even get a megabyte per second of throughput
2014-10-30T21:39:27 < scummos> it seems it copies each byte to the transfer buffer individually, through a function call and several conditionals
2014-10-30T21:40:03  * scummos goes to write some stuff by himself
2014-10-30T21:44:52 < jpa-> scummos: you got high-speed usb working now?
2014-10-30T21:45:06 < scummos> jpa-: yes ... guess what, I was missing the current reference resistor
2014-10-30T21:45:13 < jpa-> oh
2014-10-30T21:45:20 < scummos> the data sheet was a bit hard to understand for a noob like me
2014-10-30T21:46:33 < scummos> it says "12.0 k (accuracy 1%) on-board resistor to ground for current reference" which I read as "here's a 12k resistor you can use if you want to measure current consumption of devices while in host mode"
2014-10-30T21:46:47 < scummos> it only later occured to me that "on-board" means "on-pcb", not "on-chip"
2014-10-30T21:46:59 < scummos> and that is literally the only sentence about the pin in the manual, which is a bit harsh :)
2014-10-30T21:48:08 < scummos> but it's funny how the behaviour I observed suddenly makes sense now
2014-10-30T21:48:28 < jpa-> :)
2014-10-30T21:50:47 < scummos> I could have guessed it is something about current generation -- it just wasn't entirely clear to me that USB 1 operates with voltages, while 2 uses currents
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2014-10-30T23:42:27 < zyp> scummos, oh, that makes sense
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2014-10-30T23:51:51 < scummos> zyp: yep, but unfortunately only in retrospect :)
2014-10-30T23:54:15 < zyp> doesn't matter, the fun part of debugging is when you figure it all out ;)
2014-10-30T23:54:44 < scummos> yep
2014-10-30T23:54:54 < scummos> thanks for helping, again :-)
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2014-10-31T00:40:45 < scummos> hah, 50MB in 2.3seconds, that's more like it
2014-10-31T00:40:47 < scummos> nice
2014-10-31T00:41:24 < scummos> 50 MiB, even
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2014-10-31T01:56:30 < dongs> sup pros
2014-10-31T01:56:37 < dongs> jadew: got your SA figured out?
2014-10-31T01:56:47 < dongs> englishman: haha
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2014-10-31T02:04:21 < Fleck> S is blue or N is blue for magnet poles?
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2014-10-31T02:26:41 < jadew> dongs, not yet, but at least the seller answered
2014-10-31T02:27:13 < jadew> he's going to look into why the funds appear as unclaimed, but we didn't get to talk much
2014-10-31T02:27:44 < dongs> hokay
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2014-10-31T02:28:29 < jadew> I re-arranged my entire room for this so one way or another, I'm getting a SA
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2014-10-31T02:32:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tiC9ufb.jpg new dickstarter alert
2014-10-31T02:33:34 < jadew> oh no...
2014-10-31T02:33:49 < jadew> it's funny tho, my idea for a bracelet has not been dickstarted yet
2014-10-31T02:34:07 < jadew> had it when the wii came out
2014-10-31T02:35:04 < jadew> I bet it would make a killing on kickstarter, but I had it for so long I'm already tired of it
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2014-10-31T02:36:29 < jadew> I wonder what that bracelet does for the chick in the picture
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2014-10-31T02:36:47 < jadew> "can help me be a better human"
2014-10-31T02:37:15 < zyp> dongs, are you going to be a better human?
2014-10-31T02:37:28 < jadew> maybe it talks in her sleep
2014-10-31T02:37:55 < jadew> "date ugly guys too"
2014-10-31T02:38:34 < dongs> jadew: next thing that guy is gonna do is contact the previous bidder who didn't pay whose bid was bigger, and sell to him instead
2014-10-31T02:38:55 < dongs> after he finds his unclaimed payment in shitpal
2014-10-31T02:39:00 < jadew> dongs, luckly my bid was bigger
2014-10-31T02:39:03 < dongs> oh ok
2014-10-31T02:40:07 < jadew> the previous auction ended at a lower price and 20+ days ago
2014-10-31T02:40:17 < jadew> so I'd hope the other guy canceled his payment anyway
2014-10-31T02:40:48 < jadew> I'm still worried about this scenario, but I don't think it's gonna be an issue
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2014-10-31T03:49:50 < dongs> hm
2014-10-31T03:49:57 < dongs> anyone interfaced with one of those 30pin oled shits
2014-10-31T03:50:07 < dongs> schematic says it needs 12V, wtf
2014-10-31T03:50:35 < dongs> sup pros
2014-10-31T03:51:29 < dongs> figuring out how to hookup this oled shit
2014-10-31T03:52:04 < kakeman> what kind of*?
2014-10-31T03:52:17 < dongs> kind of wat
2014-10-31T03:52:33 < kakeman> oled shit
2014-10-31T03:52:33 < dongs> http://www.wide.hk/products.php?product=128X64-OLED-LED-Display-Module-SSD1306-%28White-Color%29
2014-10-31T03:52:40 < dongs> the usual 128x64 thing
2014-10-31T03:53:22 < kakeman> I have some 2 row character oled
2014-10-31T03:53:26 < kakeman> red
2014-10-31T03:54:49 < dongs> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit-128x64-Monochrome-OLED-PCB ugh fucking eagle aids
2014-10-31T03:54:50 < kakeman> I was dissapointed of it's color
2014-10-31T03:55:06 < kakeman> actually orange
2014-10-31T03:57:29 < dongs> k aidsfruit schematic doesnt need 12V
2014-10-31T03:57:37 < dongs> copying, problem solved
2014-10-31T03:57:58 < dongs> lol @ extra garbage needed to make it work at 5V
2014-10-31T03:58:01 < dongs> fucking shitty hacks
2014-10-31T03:58:17 < dongs> of course aidsfuirt wouldnt use a proper level shifting IC
2014-10-31T03:58:21 < dongs> and ghetto shit up with fets/diodes instead
2014-10-31T03:58:47 < dongs> 3 diodes, 4 resistors, 2 fets, surely a proper 3-4 line level translator would take up less space
2014-10-31T03:58:47 < kakeman> makers
2014-10-31T03:59:15 < dongs> like txb0104 or something
2014-10-31T04:04:17 < kakeman> added to my archive
2014-10-31T04:04:24 < kakeman> thanks
2014-10-31T04:05:01 < dongs> got spam from japs trying to sell me PADS
2014-10-31T04:05:04 < dongs> only $4500
2014-10-31T04:05:04 < dongs> a deal
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2014-10-31T04:05:59 < kakeman> size of electronics archive 2300files, 500folders
2014-10-31T04:06:33 < kakeman> doesn't include workspace files of programs
2014-10-31T04:07:34 < dongs> true maker
2014-10-31T04:09:30 < kakeman> if some part catches my eye I add it
2014-10-31T04:09:55 < kakeman> + all the parts I deal with in projects
2014-10-31T04:10:08 < kakeman> all parts
2014-10-31T04:11:24 < dongs> i use partskeepr
2014-10-31T04:11:29 < dongs> for stuff i actually have on hand
2014-10-31T04:11:38 < dongs> and  each project folder has related datasheet/setc
2014-10-31T04:11:40 < kakeman> management
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2014-10-31T04:26:39 < kakeman> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWFFhN3hRdVJkLUU/view?usp=sharing maker
2014-10-31T04:27:30 < kakeman> it was sold as red
2014-10-31T04:27:49 < kakeman> :/
2014-10-31T04:31:02 < dongs> thats nice anyway
2014-10-31T04:31:04 < dongs> bright
2014-10-31T04:31:17 < dongs> is that i2c
2014-10-31T04:31:23 < dongs> not enough wires for anything pro
2014-10-31T04:31:42 < kakeman> i2c
2014-10-31T04:32:12 < kakeman> there is differend sizes and colors
2014-10-31T04:55:17 < dongs> R2COM1: so i called the faggots who sold my current shit
2014-10-31T04:55:28 < dongs> and off-the-record asked the guy who's super pro wiht my machine what he thinks of ddm novastar shit
2014-10-31T04:55:36 < dongs> he's like , i know our shit sucks, but novastar sucks more
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2014-10-31T05:50:50 < dongs> its not like i have much of a choice at  the moment :)
2014-10-31T06:00:27 < dongs> found some other calibration shit i couldnt figure out before because apparently it was expecting different scasncode for '.' (the numpad  dot, not the one on regular keys)
2014-10-31T06:00:45 < dongs> going to try doing another board in a bit to see if that improves
2014-10-31T06:00:53 < dongs> what I dont like is this shit is just consistently shitty
2014-10-31T06:01:08 < dongs> if it was not random offset of shit i could just work it out and calculate for it
2014-10-31T06:01:12 < dongs> but its random on eaceh power up
2014-10-31T06:01:14 < dongs> fuckign trash
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2014-10-31T06:12:55 < dongs> placement offsets for various angles and bla bla
2014-10-31T06:12:59 < dongs> this shit is retarded as fuck
2014-10-31T06:13:05 < dongs> if software wasn't garbage i wouldnt need to do that
2014-10-31T06:14:53 < dongs> well seems a bit better
2014-10-31T06:15:44 < dongs> at least I didnt have to move every fucking part with  tweezaers
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2014-10-31T06:34:35 < dongs> all mine
2014-10-31T06:34:38 < dongs> also, it was lunch time.
2014-10-31T06:35:18 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/CompassionateEquatorialInsect
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2014-10-31T09:12:49 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFmC7hd1hno is this old
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2014-10-31T09:37:05 < dongs> talsit fix your fucking interwebs
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2014-10-31T10:02:05 < dongs> PeterM1: PAM2421 is working
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2014-10-31T12:19:09 < dongs> new scope shows proper square wave for 150mhz pixelclock :D
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2014-10-31T13:00:03 < qyx_> is that bad?
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2014-10-31T13:04:10 < dongs> no, thats good
2014-10-31T13:04:18 < dongs> old one was a sinewave
2014-10-31T13:05:29 < dongs> hm this oled shit uses only 3 wire spi
2014-10-31T13:05:38 < dongs> i guess there's nothing to read back from it
2014-10-31T13:07:45 < qyx_> too squary pixelclock
2014-10-31T13:21:10 < ReadError> dongs
2014-10-31T13:21:11 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/9a4oK.jpg
2014-10-31T13:21:18 < ReadError> whats the difference in the Model Name shit
2014-10-31T13:21:47 < ReadError> the footprint changes but duno what _L _M _N
2014-10-31T13:21:51 < ReadError> large medium normal?
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2014-10-31T13:27:04 < jadew> ReadError, pads length/width
2014-10-31T13:27:11 < jadew> for various soldering methods I believe
2014-10-31T13:27:59 < ReadError> ahh interesting
2014-10-31T13:28:31 < ReadError> L - about 10% smaller than N - use this if you are really tight for space.
2014-10-31T13:28:31 < ReadError> N - NORMAL size, use this most of the time, if it suits you.
2014-10-31T13:28:31 < ReadError> M - about 10% larger than N - use this if you want a larger than normal footprint.
2014-10-31T13:28:33 < ReadError> very cool
2014-10-31T13:29:38 < ReadError> looks like it increases the space around the pads too
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2014-10-31T13:33:46 < _Sync_> what kind of shit scope were you using before dongs?
2014-10-31T13:36:04 < jadew> dongs, that's probably because of the low capacitance of the probes
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2014-10-31T13:51:20 < dongs> ReadError: ? i dont use faggot libs
2014-10-31T13:51:37 < dongs> i'm guessing its IPC density shit
2014-10-31T13:52:21 < dongs> damn 4k cam has so much grain
2014-10-31T13:52:24 < dongs> i wonder if thats intended
2014-10-31T13:52:48 < jadew> dongs, not enough light?
2014-10-31T13:53:14 < dongs> dunno, just normal house lights. weather has been shitty.
2014-10-31T13:53:24 < jadew> then yeah
2014-10-31T13:54:18 < jadew> my 650D has worse video quality in low light than my phone
2014-10-31T13:54:41 < jadew> probably more detail, but it is grainier
2014-10-31T13:57:00 < Laurenceb> jadew is dajew?
2014-10-31T13:57:19 < jadew> not a jew, but pretty cheap
2014-10-31T13:58:05 < jadew> I just received some nice TFT displays
2014-10-31T13:58:19 < jadew> they're the same height as the board for a 16x2 LCD
2014-10-31T13:58:50 < jadew> and cheaper
2014-10-31T13:59:02 < jadew> I guess that's what I'm going to use from now on
2014-10-31T14:00:20 < jadew> http://www.ebay.com/itm/200939222521
2014-10-31T14:01:13 < Steffanx> same size as 16x2 lcd?
2014-10-31T14:01:26 < jadew> no, let me take a photo for comparison
2014-10-31T14:01:54 < Steffanx> No you also need uGFX
2014-10-31T14:01:57 < Steffanx> *Now
2014-10-31T14:06:08 < jadew> looks like the 16x2 LCDs I have now are narrower than the ones I had before, but still, pretty close
2014-10-31T14:06:59 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/WP_20141031_002.jpg
2014-10-31T14:07:15 < jadew> so they occupy about the same height on the front panel
2014-10-31T14:07:31 < jadew> and they're shorter, so you get a lot more space for knobs and crap
2014-10-31T14:07:42 < jadew> but I'm sure you can also display a lot more info on them
2014-10-31T14:08:41 < jadew> also, the interface is SPI, so you may hook them up to an existing bus
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2014-10-31T14:26:52 < ReadError> hrm
2014-10-31T14:27:02 < ReadError> is there a way to 'bind' traces to a component
2014-10-31T14:27:16 < ReadError> like if i had some going to the center ground
2014-10-31T14:27:21 < ReadError> and wanted to move the part
2014-10-31T14:28:59 < zyp> just mark them and move them along with the park
2014-10-31T14:29:00 < zyp> part
2014-10-31T14:30:17 < ReadError> yea, seems to be some glue holding them down
2014-10-31T14:30:21 < ReadError> ill re-try
2014-10-31T14:30:25 < ReadError> 1st time w/ altium
2014-10-31T14:32:56 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/WbnKJ.jpg
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2014-10-31T14:33:27 < ReadError> ahh got it..
2014-10-31T14:34:54 < dongs> anyone used those SSD1306 oled in SPI mode?
2014-10-31T14:38:34 < Tectu_> dongs, yes
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2014-10-31T14:39:59 < dongs> Tectu_: what is teh difeference between 3 and 4 wire spi on those things
2014-10-31T14:40:06 < dongs> D/C shit doesnt seem to be related to SPI
2014-10-31T14:40:12 < dongs> shit still looks like 3 wire to me
2014-10-31T14:40:25 < Tectu_> dongs, 4th wire is MISO so you can read back shit
2014-10-31T14:40:33 < dongs> i know what it is in regular SPI
2014-10-31T14:40:37 < dongs> there's no miso on SSD1306
2014-10-31T14:41:20 < Tectu_> dongs, let me check something....
2014-10-31T14:41:36 < Tectu_> dongs, why do you ask anyway? are you unsure what to do with a certain pin? I can't remember that the initialization worried about that.
2014-10-31T14:42:12 < dongs> no im just wondering if there would be any reason to use other than 3 wire SPI mode with it.
2014-10-31T14:42:15 < dongs> because
2014-10-31T14:42:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/8qEMMNB.png
2014-10-31T14:44:06 < Tectu_> dongs, is it possible that 3-wire SPI uses 9-bit transactions
2014-10-31T14:44:20 < Tectu_> dongs, so there is four bit modus for arduino people, to use 8-bit spi interface
2014-10-31T14:44:34 < Tectu_> dongs, d/c then is the bit to switch between data and control
2014-10-31T14:45:49 < Tectu_> dongs, yep, definitely.
2014-10-31T14:46:56 < dongs> yeah so which one should I use?
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2014-10-31T14:49:35 < zyp> IIRC F1 doesn't support 9-bit SPI
2014-10-31T14:49:47 < zyp> so you might want to keep that in mind
2014-10-31T14:50:26 < Tectu_> dongs, then you probably want 4-bit mode
2014-10-31T14:52:12 < dongs> zyp, oh.
2014-10-31T14:52:36 < dongs> well its not for F1, but i see teh difference now
2014-10-31T14:52:37 < dongs> doing 4 pin.
2014-10-31T14:52:39 < dongs> thanx
2014-10-31T14:53:25 < zyp> the newest stm32s can do 9-bit
2014-10-31T14:53:47 < Tectu_> zyp, finally.
2014-10-31T14:53:50 < Tectu_> it's so common
2014-10-31T14:53:54 < Tectu_> at least in display drivers, LOL
2014-10-31T14:53:54 < zyp> not sure exactly which, but I know F3 can
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2014-10-31T15:02:24 < trepidaciousMBR> I had a go with the SSD1306 I think
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2014-10-31T15:03:12 < trepidaciousMBR> Yeah I did - I got it going pretty well on a 407 disco, can't remember how ;)
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2014-10-31T15:11:04 < Tectu_> yeah, worked pretty much out of the box here as well
2014-10-31T15:19:29 < dongs> so you dont need to read anything back from it?
2014-10-31T15:20:51 < emeryth> you have to believe it works
2014-10-31T15:22:11 < dongs> thats what i thought
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2014-10-31T15:33:26 < Tectu_> dongs, let me check my sources
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2014-10-31T15:34:06 < Tectu_> dongs, never read anything back
2014-10-31T15:34:26 < Tectu_> dongs, uGFX driver does not implement reading either.
2014-10-31T15:35:31 < dongs> ok
2014-10-31T15:35:41 < dongs> sweet
2014-10-31T15:35:45 < dongs> my raspberrypi accessory works
2014-10-31T15:35:49 < dongs> time to dickstart
2014-10-31T15:35:55 < dongs> hm i sould try using it with an actual pi
2014-10-31T15:36:35 < dongs> draws 1.65A @ 5V :(
2014-10-31T15:36:37 < dongs> fff
2014-10-31T15:36:42 < dongs> thats without PI connected
2014-10-31T15:37:21 < jadew> dongs, I hope that's mostly the LCD, right?
2014-10-31T15:37:36 < dongs> jadew: yea of course
2014-10-31T15:40:34 < dongs> lets see if it burns my pi
2014-10-31T15:41:01 < dongs> wow it didnt
2014-10-31T15:41:04 < dongs> it actually powers it up
2014-10-31T15:41:05 < dongs> nice
2014-10-31T15:42:33 < jadew> how does the pi get powered?
2014-10-31T15:42:59 < jadew> if it's via a linear reg, make sure it doesn't get too hot
2014-10-31T15:44:00 < dongs> nah this one is all 5V, tho im thinking for stretch goal to add a 5V buckboost to whole thing that will take regular barrel jack from like 5V>16V in or something
2014-10-31T15:44:32 < dongs> boost for < 5V shit incase nigs wanna power from lipo or somethin
2014-10-31T15:46:26 < englishman> <dongs> old one was a sinewave
2014-10-31T15:46:32 < englishman> ...dont you just adjust your probes
2014-10-31T15:47:07 < dongs> 1.88A with pi running
2014-10-31T15:47:09 < dongs> not too bad
2014-10-31T15:47:12 < dongs> 2A
2014-10-31T15:47:19 < dongs> 2A at desktop
2014-10-31T15:48:03 < englishman> it has to work on 2009 mabcook pro or nobody will buy it
2014-10-31T15:51:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/LzXtwvC.jpg
2014-10-31T15:51:08 < dongs> enough to dickstart?
2014-10-31T15:54:09 < emeryth> dongs: what is this supposed to be?
2014-10-31T15:54:52 < dongs> some dickberrypi accessroy
2014-10-31T15:55:44 < emeryth> but does it connect to the cloud?
2014-10-31T15:56:05 < Tectu_> did somebody say "cloud"?
2014-10-31T15:56:26 < Tectu_> <dongs> draws 1.65A @ 5V    <---   still talking about SSD1306? :D
2014-10-31T15:56:55 < Steffanx> click on imgur link mr Tectu_
2014-10-31T15:58:42 < emeryth> is it just an LCD adapter or something more?
2014-10-31T15:59:03 < dongs> thats all
2014-10-31T15:59:21 < dongs> also usb>serial console for pishit, but im sure noone cares
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2014-10-31T16:59:54 < ReadError> dongs where you able to convert ur dicktrace libs to altidumb ?
2014-10-31T17:00:09 < dongs> no, i dont convert
2014-10-31T17:00:13 < dongs> and i dont use premade libs
2014-10-31T17:00:28 < ReadError> fuck that must have been a PITA switching
2014-10-31T17:00:35 < dongs> nop
2014-10-31T17:01:15 < ReadError> child labor to convert or something?
2014-10-31T17:05:14 < englishman> 600apm
2014-10-31T17:05:18 < englishman> hes jap
2014-10-31T17:05:20 < englishman> come on man
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2014-10-31T17:06:06 < englishman> if he can zergrush he can make new patterns fast
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2014-10-31T17:20:42 < Fleck> haha, one more guy who puts his name on LCD :DDD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niA3aPu3-dQ#t=476
2014-10-31T17:21:23 < dongs> ffff
2014-10-31T17:23:36 < yan_> how are stm32-based projects typically programmed + tested in production? i know you can get then pre-programmed from some suppliers, but if you don't, do they use zif sockets? in-circuit test points?
2014-10-31T17:25:30 < karlp> testpoints7pogopins. are pretty common, what we use at least.
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2014-10-31T17:26:11 < dongs> yan_: i make a jig with pogopins and use uart flash
2014-10-31T17:26:13 < karlp> Fleck: what's so odd about that?
2014-10-31T17:27:55 < Fleck> dunno, just... lame
2014-10-31T17:28:29 < dongs> i think t he part that he's like half naked is more disturbing
2014-10-31T17:29:09 < emeryth> and looks like like Jean Reno
2014-10-31T17:29:44 < yan_> dongs: pogo pins on holes, or on tps?
2014-10-31T17:30:16 < dongs> pads, i have like 1.2mm square pads
2014-10-31T17:30:37 < dongs> pogo pins short boot pin to vcc, provide power + gnd + uart rx/tx
2014-10-31T17:31:52 < yan_> short boot?
2014-10-31T17:32:04 < dongs> to enter uart bootloader
2014-10-31T17:32:12 < dongs> boot1 needs to be at vcc or whatever
2014-10-31T17:32:23 < dongs> so those pins are bit longer and hit first
2014-10-31T17:33:09 < Fleck> dongs: yeah, that too!
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2014-10-31T17:36:08 < PaulFertser> Here they flash all the devices by manually attaching an IDC connector to JTAG pins on board, then clicking shit-shortcut on windows desktop.
2014-10-31T17:36:32 < dongs> i blame openocd.
2014-10-31T17:36:35 < PaulFertser> Our production department is insane.
2014-10-31T17:36:51 < yan_> dongs: and that connects to something like a st-link? or did you write your own programmer?
2014-10-31T17:37:09 < PaulFertser> dongs's using uart bl, not swd.
2014-10-31T17:37:20 < zyp> yan_, I use tag connect, with swd
2014-10-31T17:37:27 < dongs> yan, its uart programming. so you can use stm flash loader demo or I'm using chrome thing from my RC shit, baseflight configurator, which also supports flashing F1 chips
2014-10-31T17:38:24 < englishman> tagconnect is expensive
2014-10-31T17:38:36 < englishman> cool tho
2014-10-31T17:42:08 < yan_> dongs: cool, thank you, will have to look more into this later
2014-10-31T17:43:36 < yan_> dongs: looks like this'll do: https://code.google.com/p/stm32flash/
2014-10-31T17:44:13 < dongs> right
2014-10-31T17:44:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7qndCoc.jpg my jigs are pretty ghetto but they've flashed thousands of boards
2014-10-31T17:45:27 < Steffanx> hot glue included :D
2014-10-31T17:46:36 < yan_> dongs: neat, why 6 pins though?
2014-10-31T17:47:17 < dongs> yan_: other stuff I need
2014-10-31T17:47:38 < yan_> dongs: ah makes sense. for testing and whatever else
2014-10-31T17:47:41 < yan_> ty
2014-10-31T17:50:25 < Steffanx> hmm, how you properly align (and hold it there) the board on the right dongs?
2014-10-31T17:50:46 < dongs> Steffanx: just do, it goes on the edge of teh board getting flahed
2014-10-31T17:50:59 < dongs> that one takes less than 2 sec to flash also
2014-10-31T17:51:03 < dongs> so i dont need to keep it thee for a while
2014-10-31T17:51:28 < englishman> 1mbps uart :)))
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2014-10-31T18:11:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Zmn1kEO.jpg this was outside
2014-10-31T18:11:29 < karlp> awesome
2014-10-31T18:11:41 < jadew> tentacles
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2014-10-31T18:31:23 < PaulFertser> If anyone has cmsis-dap handy and would like to test a (much) improved version, that would be nice: http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/2356
2014-10-31T18:34:52 < zyp> dongs, http://imgur.com/gallery/OZz1s <- been out flying?
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2014-10-31T18:53:39 < scummos> haha
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2014-10-31T21:47:50 < kakeman> do you guys know any project that connects 20adc channels to computer?
2014-10-31T21:47:59 < Fleck> http://img-9gag-lol.9cache.com/photo/aBQdpjN_460sa_v1.gif
2014-10-31T21:48:22 < kakeman> I have some boards full of logics and analog chips in dip form
2014-10-31T21:49:49 < kakeman> and wondering such a thing would be nice for diagnosis
2014-10-31T21:50:06 < kakeman> doesn't need to be high speed or anything
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2014-10-31T22:24:44 < tecdroid> hi
2014-10-31T22:25:25 < englishman> guten tag
2014-10-31T22:25:43 < tecdroid> as you say, englishman ;) schönen abend
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2014-10-31T22:27:05 < tecdroid> just got a chinese stm32f103 dev board and try to contact the controller now via usb (linux, cp2102 usb2ttl, stm32flash) latter tells me 'Cannot handle device "/dev/ttyUSB0"' does anyone have an idea?
2014-10-31T22:27:38 < PaulFertser> tecdroid: do you have appropriate permissions?
2014-10-31T22:27:46 < tecdroid> humm..
2014-10-31T22:28:04 < BrainDamage> first ask your mother for a written authorization
2014-10-31T22:28:16 < BrainDamage> then check the file device permissions
2014-10-31T22:28:57 < tecdroid> well, this was first problem.. but it sais now "failed to init device"
2014-10-31T22:29:06 < tecdroid> isn't there any verbose?
2014-10-31T22:29:14 < PaulFertser> tecdroid: are you holding that boot1 button when powering on the target?
2014-10-31T22:29:36 < PaulFertser> Anyway, why bother with stm32flash if you can flash and debug with SWD?
2014-10-31T22:29:37 < tecdroid> which means, boot1 has to be grounded?
2014-10-31T22:29:56 < PaulFertser> iirc, yes
2014-10-31T22:30:13 < PaulFertser> Check the datasheet if in doubt.
2014-10-31T22:30:26 < englishman> boot1 low, boot0 high to flash over uart
2014-10-31T22:32:21 < tecdroid> this one doesn't appear in my boot configuration in datasheet
2014-10-31T22:32:33 < tecdroid> but a reference to AN2606
2014-10-31T22:32:45 < englishman> check the reference manuak
2014-10-31T22:32:46 < englishman> manual
2014-10-31T22:32:56 < englishman> AN2606 details what happens once you're in the bootloader
2014-10-31T22:33:11 < englishman> reference manual, 2.5 Boot Configuration tells you about the BOOTx pins
2014-10-31T22:34:07 < tecdroid> whoops..  now it runs..
2014-10-31T22:34:23 < tecdroid> got the wrong manual.. :( well, that helped
2014-10-31T22:34:33 < PaulFertser> boot1 can be perm-tied low, and boot1 high will enable bootloader, low will boot from flash.
2014-10-31T22:36:04 < PaulFertser> s/and boot1/and boot0/
2014-10-31T22:36:46 < PaulFertser> dongs: btw, another rpi fail: it can't be used to flash stm32s because its serial driver doesn't properly support odd parity (for some odd reason I assume).
2014-10-31T22:37:15 < englishman> lol
2014-10-31T22:37:22 < englishman> but isnt st even parity
2014-10-31T22:37:26 < englishman> (i forget)
2014-10-31T22:38:00 < PaulFertser> Ah, yes, even.
2014-10-31T22:38:04 < PaulFertser> Well, even funnier this way.
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2014-10-31T22:45:34 < tecdroid> okay.. now let me find my breadboard xD
2014-10-31T22:45:42 < englishman> yay!
2014-10-31T22:46:56 < PaulFertser> tecdroid: do you have a debugger already? It seems that jlink clones are the cheapest (~10$) fully-functional adapters on the market.
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2014-10-31T22:47:49 < tecdroid> well, i never really jtagged with 8 bit controllers.. why doing so with 32 bit? ;)
2014-10-31T22:48:31 < PaulFertser> tecdroid: huge time savings when something goes wrong.
2014-10-31T22:48:57 < tecdroid> i already ordered one last week.. dev board arrived before... ;)
2014-10-31T22:49:02 < GargantuaSauce> yeah a debugger makes debugging a lot more straightforward, oddly enough
2014-10-31T22:49:52 < tecdroid> just wanted to tease a bit. i definitely need a debugger for what i want to build..
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2014-10-31T22:50:21 < tecdroid> getting mad otherwise.. i know my programming style.. meant to be clean but can't keep it that way for long..
2014-10-31T22:56:13 < tecdroid> funny.. http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/CD00171190.pdf <-- there's no boot0 and /boot1 in that table..
2014-10-31T22:56:24 < tecdroid> chapter 3.4
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2014-10-31T23:03:42 < tecdroid> well, it was a long week and i'm going to need some sleep..
2014-10-31T23:03:45 < tecdroid> n8 calle
2014-10-31T23:04:03 < tecdroid> n8 @ll
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2014-10-31T23:14:47 < englishman> ooh new version of RM
2014-10-31T23:15:26 < englishman> how did he miss that table, it's like right there
2014-10-31T23:15:29 < englishman> in 2.4
2014-10-31T23:15:33 < englishman> err 3.4
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